IRC log for #wowuidev on 20110429

00:10.50Adyssylvanaar: <eve learning curve graphic>
00:12.52Krapshttp://i.imgur.com/K9jIy.jpg
00:14.32Mr_Rabiesfigures
00:14.48Mr_Rabiesi pester you addon developer types for years, and someone finally implements it when i take a break from wow
00:15.15Adys"I constantly have to recalibrate my sarcasm meter, because I keep breaking it by being a smartass"
00:18.17bluspacecowits friday
00:18.19bluspacecowi work today
00:18.25bluspacecowhow do i remember that
00:18.37bluspacecoweasy i associated work with "what seat caaaaan i iiiiiii take ?"
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00:37.10Wobinbluspacecow: you gotta get down?
00:37.23bluspacecow?
00:37.34Wobinit's friday friday
00:37.52bluspacecownow getty down for me i has to work
00:44.48sylvanaarAdys: it isnt that bad thankfully
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00:57.57Shirikgives bluspacecow and Wobin a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ypoaTuthM&feature=related
00:58.05Shiriktime to get down
00:59.26CideON FRIDAY
00:59.52Shirikno
00:59.54Shirikno Cide
00:59.56Shirikno more
01:00.14Cidewhat is love?
01:00.20Shirikno
01:04.58Wobinyou know
01:05.35Wobinit's indicative of just how unmusical that song is, that I, someone who usually earworms at the drop of a jingle, cannot consciously recall the melodyline to that song
01:05.51Wobinor I may be repressing
01:05.53Wobinwhich is entirely likely
01:08.07Shirikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBDAcOEKuI&feature=youtu.be
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01:23.05KrapsShirik: the other 2 are great too
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02:02.01bluspacecowhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/2626217/
02:02.05bluspacecowinterestubg
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02:04.41Krapsfirefox update
02:05.39bluspacecowninja ?
02:08.17Wobinwhassup mah ninjaa?
02:09.09bluspacecowWhat do you call a resto druid that melees? A Combot log...
02:09.45Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqRPOEa3P44
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02:37.30Zhinjioanyone happen to know if GetSpellByName() works on localized spell names or just english ones?
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02:38.12Zhinjioalternately, if someone has 30 seconds to help that isn't on an english client, please PM me or something
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02:49.15DagmarWhoops.  Seems some beer got mailed out early.
02:49.21Dagmar...not that I'm complainin'
02:50.00Krapsyou get beer mailed?
02:50.52Thunder_Childyou dont?
02:51.05DagmarKraps: Brew of the Month Club
02:51.17DagmarApparently I got both May and June's beers
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02:51.37DagmarI thought the Springtime Stout was a Noblegarden thing or something
02:51.57KrapsThunder_Child: IRL i dont like alcohol , in wow i do, i guess
02:52.18Thunder_ChildKraps: i dont like it in either place
02:52.22DagmarIf the question is "Are you a dwarf?" the answer is "Beer."
02:52.23Dagmar;)
02:52.24Krapslol
02:53.23Xinhuani got the beer mails even though i didn't do/obtain membership
02:53.30Xinhuanat least, i didn't renew it from 2 years ago
02:53.36Dagmaro.O
02:53.44DagmarI've renewed mine every year.
02:53.52Xinhuani didn't see the point
02:53.57DagmarIf I didn't need to... *facemelt*
02:54.27DagmarThe point is ready access to empty bottles to throw at people when they're not lookin
02:54.48Wobinwhat's the site that lists the comparison of dps from various classes on raid content?
02:55.10DagmarWhoa.  Heh.  I have a guild mate saying he's not in the BotM club and even *he* got the beers
02:55.17DagmarFree beer for everybody I guess
02:55.25WobinDagmar: yeah, I've heard that too
02:55.38KrapsFREE BEER!
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02:57.01Zhinjiohttp://stateofdps.com/
02:57.03Zhinjiois one
02:57.11ZhinjioWobin: http://stateofdps.com/
02:57.23ZhinjioI'm sure there are others
03:00.52Krapscant tell if trolling http://maps.google.com/maps/user?uid=202459474771669116345&hl=en&gl=US&ved=0CEMQhQo&sa=X&ei=jim6TdqqNYjkygTzxpTbDQ
03:02.38Krapshttp://www.videobash.com/video_show/did-he-just-play-a-trance-song-on-a-guitar-16306
03:03.25WobinZhinjio: that's the one, thanks
03:05.00Zhinjioyw
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03:08.16Zhinjiowhy is getting at profession info so damned hard. This is silly
03:16.10Zhinjiowhatever happened to wowcompares
03:16.14Zhinjioor whatever that was called
03:16.22Zhinjioand is there something similar now?
03:17.26Cairennbeladona quit the game so stopped doing the site, kd3 does diffs though, you could ask to be added to his email list
03:17.40Zhinjiogotcha
03:20.14ZhinjioGetProfessions() returns indexes of the toon's professions, which can then be passed to GetProfessionInfo() to get the localized name of the profession
03:20.34Zhinjiowhich is useless, and gives me no way to get back to the spell needed to cast to open the tradeskill window
03:20.45SeerahZhinjio: tekkub keeps the FrameXML and diffs on his github
03:20.49Zhinjiowithout maintaining a list of every localized string
03:20.54Krapshmm http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4203/squish.gif
03:20.58Zhinjiooooh, thats good to know.
03:21.13Seerah(well, github takes care of the diffs)
03:21.16Zhinjioor am I just thinking about this wrong.
03:21.27Krapsyou get squashed. INTO YOURSELF
03:24.13Zhinjiothat is, unless CastSpellByName() works on localized strings.
03:25.45mikmahaste: http://imgur.com/gallery/V1ubD
03:26.58mikmahttp://kuvaton.com/browse/17813/hotel_perspective.jpg
03:31.00DagmarDo these new level 83 Jungle Serpents actually stick around after you've completed that new quest line?
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03:32.20Mr_Rabiesi found out that once you're completely done stv will stay in that phase until you logout
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03:35.14Krapswhos cave johnson?
03:35.21IrielIt's a Portal 2 thing
03:36.40Krapsyeah
03:36.52IrielPlay it, and all is answered
03:38.09DagmarMr_Rabies: They don't stay for good?
03:38.14DagmarI may not turn this quest in, then.
03:38.45Mr_Rabieswhy? :O
03:40.04DagmarBecause every single one of these snakes that I can plow through like so much tall grass skins into a Savage Leather.
03:40.12DagmarNo scraps or any other weird junk
03:40.50kd3wow, looks like they're ot going to push back the launch
03:40.50kd3yay
03:42.26Xyphoidbetter skinning than tol barad?
03:42.49DagmarDunno.  Never bothered to go there.  Better than Twilight Highlands tho
03:43.20Xyphoidtry it out sometimes, usually there are a few hundred dead crocs there
03:43.30Xyphoidsince it's a daily
03:43.37DagmarDon'tcha get flagged PvP for going there?
03:43.47kd3not if you're there after the active combat phase ends
03:44.13Xyphoidwest of the central fort on the south island
03:45.01DagmarThanks for the tip--I'll look into that
03:45.15DagmarLeatherworking starts to use just a looney amount of materials past 505
03:49.41Xyphoidi don't have a skinner myself, but my guildie was saying it was about 2-3k an hour sitting there
03:54.25karl_w_woh lordy
03:54.45karl_w_wjust learn a pet and learning aid filled my screen with every pet i own
03:55.07karl_w_wspanks Jamash1
03:55.39karl_w_wpet and mount*
03:57.58Krapshttp://i.imgur.com/VFXNd.jpg
03:59.39Krapshttp://i.imgur.com/8VOCZ.jpg
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04:26.22kd3well well well
04:26.28kd3http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2456905723?page=1#6
04:28.28Zhinjioyeah, makes you wondewr what the "new functionality" is going to be
04:30.17Corrodiasthey'll call up your mother
04:55.22Krapsdo a barrel roll
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05:00.09CairennIriel: watching the wedding tonight?
05:00.22IrielTrying everything humanly possible to NOT do so
05:00.27Cairennlol
05:00.33Cairennsick of hearing about it?
05:01.06Xyphoidjust don't try and protest it
05:01.09IrielMore or less, ridiculous fixation on something so unimportant
05:01.35Cairennbut that's your future King and Queen!
05:01.54CairennI'll hush
05:01.56Cairenn;)
05:03.24Krapsidk how many of you can watch this but they have a great bit about the coverage insanity http://www.hulu.com/watch/236371/the-morning-after-thu-apr-28-2011
05:04.14kd3is still in awe that the talking heads are predicting a third of earth's population is going to watch this
05:04.37IrielEventually? or live?
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05:04.58IrielI seriously doubt live, though who knows
05:05.10kd3ya
05:05.15IrielThe talking heads just like to feel important
05:08.05Xyphoidhttp://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/professor_chris_knight_arrested_over_planned_right_royal_orgy/
05:08.07Xyphoidfun times
05:10.11Corrodias"conspiracy to cause public nuisance and breach of the peace"
05:10.23Corrodiasboy, if we had that in america, we wouldn't have to deal with those inconvenient protestors
05:10.41Cairenno.O
05:15.20DagmarArrested for planning an orgy?
05:16.41Corrodiasi have not read what the event actually is. that may or may not be an accurately descriptive name.
05:17.22DagmarThe invitations sure looked like they were planning an orgy
05:17.26Corrodiasit's rather far out of my way in wisconsin, so i won't be attending, whatever it is.
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05:22.57Krapshttp://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx
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05:25.39Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3eF4UxdaPKo
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05:33.47ZhinjioI don't get it. I make a call to CastSpellByName() with a tradeskill name, and I get that interface action failed due to addon. I initiate the same call through another existing addon (Broker_Professions) and it works just fine
05:33.51ZhinjioI think I'm cursed.
05:34.40IrielIs the other addon using a secure action button template?
05:34.47Zhinjionope
05:35.33Zhinjioits actually a ridiculously simple addon.
05:35.37Zhinjio62 lines
05:35.44Zhinjioprops to durcyn
05:36.35Zhinjioaccording to the documentation ... it isn't protected if you use it to call a tradeskill name
05:36.46Zhinjiowhich appears to be supported by the three or so other addons I've seen use it
05:36.59Zhinjioits just my call that fails.
05:37.16IrielAre you sure you're using a tradeskill name?
05:37.25ZhinjioLeatherworking
05:37.26Zhinjioyeah
05:37.27Irielhave you checked exactly the string that both addons use?
05:37.33ZhinjioI test it manually with /script and it works
05:37.44Zhinjiothats tough, but I'm going to do that next.
05:37.45durcynwhich tradeskill
05:37.58ZhinjioLeatherworking
05:38.10Zhinjioand ... uh, First Aid
05:38.19durcynusing the localized string?
05:38.26Zhinjiowell, its english, but yes
05:38.44ZhinjioI even pushed it through GetSpellInfo first
05:38.57Zhinjioand then used the first argument from that just to make sure it wasn't just me fatfingering something
05:39.20durcynCastSpellByName((GetSpellInfo(2108))) ?
05:40.05Zhinjiowell, more like CastSpellByName( ( GetSpellInfo( "Leatherworking" ) )
05:40.09Zhinjio)
05:40.19ZhinjioI realize thats redundant
05:40.27Zhinjiobut at least it makes sure the string is correct
05:41.08durcynI don't know then, broker displays shouldn't be doing anything special other than firing the launcher object from their onclick handlers
05:41.28durcynwhich in turn is just a CSBN call on a variable with the localized return from GSI on the id
05:41.44Zhinjionods.
05:41.47durcynit's ridiculously simple, as you noted
05:41.51Zhinjioindeed
05:42.00ZhinjioI've gotta be doing something stupid.
05:42.04ZhinjioI'll keep digging
05:46.16Zhinjiook, its gotta be something else. I put the line : CastSpellByName( "Leatherworking" )
05:46.20Zhinjioliteral string
05:46.22Zhinjioin the code
05:46.25Zhinjioand it still failed
05:47.44CorrodiasCastSpellByName( GetInternationalizedString( GetFunky( "Butts" ) ) )
05:51.22ZhinjioI blame Torhal
05:51.29Zhinjioespeciallly since he isn't here to defend himself
05:55.11Zhinjioactually, I think I am going to blame TOrhal. I think this is something about the way LibQtip is doing the mousehandler stuff
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06:10.20Fiskeri'm so very sick
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06:17.38Fiskerhepl me cncfanatics
06:18.34cncfanaticsFisker: why would I do THAT ?
06:19.06Fiskerhepl me?
06:19.08Fiskeridk
06:19.10Fiskerbut help me atleast
06:21.22mikmalololololoooooo
06:22.34mikmawe have this thing called REILUMEININKI
06:23.29zenzio"Voyager set to enter interstellar space" -- "But the modern version would automatically update its Twitter account from space!" - "Just passing Uranus LOL"
06:23.42Zhinjiohar
06:24.01mikmak
06:24.44mikmaus astronauts tweeting
06:24.48mikmapriceless
06:25.05mikmatheres internet in good use
06:25.43mikmayo dawg we herd u like internet so we put satellite next to yo spaceship so u can tweet while you watch the earth
06:27.39zenzio"Every two years or so Voyager \d crosses the (heliosheath | heliopause | bow shock | edge of the cosmic wind | edge of the Oort cloud | ... ) and this arbitrary boundary is used as a pretext to run off a press release."
06:27.46mitch0so, pet abilities no longer fire UNIT_SPELLCAST_*. bug or feature?
06:28.14kd3why not? nothing else we launch is going to be there for a long time
06:29.00Arrowmasteronly a few more years till it crashes into the glass wall of the snowglobe
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06:42.27Fiskerhey kd3
06:46.46Fiskeroh ok
06:46.50Fiskerit's like that then
06:46.59kd3was tabbed out. need something?
06:47.34Fiskernothing at all
06:47.37Fiskerjust hey'd you
06:47.43Fiskeras a gesture of friendlyness
06:47.44kd3hi hi to you to
06:47.48Fiskeror friendliness
06:47.48kd3and now, time for zzz
06:47.51Fiskeraww
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06:53.37FiskerCannot /dance while in Combat
06:53.39FiskerNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06:53.44Fiskerthat's why it didn't work :(
06:54.13Fiskerwhy even spend precious developement time on that silliness?
06:58.30mitch0who killed wowi?
06:59.03Cairennit's down for a few
06:59.09Cairenndolby's doing a restart on it
06:59.22mitch0unacceptabla!
06:59.26mitch0ble even
06:59.27mitch0meh
06:59.28mitch0coffee
06:59.37Cairennlol
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07:16.09Shirikhold up
07:16.11Shirikwhat the fuck
07:16.25ShirikI'm about ready to move out of the US
07:16.33ShirikHow did we approve a Social Security tax cut
07:16.45Shirikthe year AFTER the first EVER loss by social security
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07:19.45bluspacecowhmmmm would a tools update update the wow client
07:19.50bluspacecowi can't remember !
07:22.40hasteit would update the tools used to update the client bluspacecow
07:22.53bluspacecowhmmm
07:23.06bluspacecowsomething i would need to investigate when I get home I guess
07:23.13bluspacecowi is at work !
07:23.40bluspacecowwhile I do offer mirrors for the tools i offer 2 - the one from teh temp folder thats used by the launcher and just a zip of the wow programs
07:24.57bluspacecow*muses some more*
07:27.13Fiskerhey Shirik
07:27.50Fiskerhey bluspacecow
07:27.51Fiskerhey haste
07:27.55Shirikhey Fisker
07:28.00bluspacecow\o
07:28.02Shirikwhy not so audiosurf
07:28.07Fiskerwhy would i?
07:28.44Shirikto surf audio
07:29.08hasteI want to build a jubeat machine
07:29.47Fiskersnitches ruin everything haste
07:29.48FiskerEVERYTHING
07:29.52Fiskerbtw haste
07:30.00Fiskeryou getting any eee pad transformers in norway this year?
07:30.42ShirikHey Fisker
07:30.54ShirikThere is a problem with my battery so my computer may shut down unexpectedly
07:30.54Fiskerhey Shirik
07:30.58Fiskeroh ok
07:31.04Fiskerare you sure?
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07:33.18ShirikWindows 7 is sure Fisker
07:34.28Wobinjust prepurchased a Samsung Galaxy S II.
07:34.50Wobinmy first purchased smartphone!
07:35.05ShirikI need a new phone
07:35.42Fiskeri'm sorry for your loss Wobin
07:35.43WobinI've seen a lot of positive reviews for the GSII
07:35.49Wobinand not many negative ones
07:36.09WobinFisker: why are you sorry
07:36.15Wobinare you the reason I've not bought one before?
07:36.23ShirikFisker where are you again? Iceland?
07:36.30Fiskerno Wobin
07:36.40WobinThen why apologise?
07:36.48Shirikbecause he's sick
07:37.03Fiskeri'm just looking forward to seeing samsung screw it up in a spectacular way and then have the hacking community spend years trying to hack it due to proprietary drivers and shit
07:37.04Fisker:D
07:37.32Wobinah schadenfreudic apologies =)
07:38.25Shirikseriously Fisker where is you
07:38.45Fiskeri is going to werk
07:38.54bluspacecow:(
07:39.01bluspacecowno lesbian mud sex then fiskers ?
07:39.23Fiskernot even just a little mud
07:40.35zenzioI never understood why mud wrestling (or just mud/sand/dirt) should make things sexy or interesting... you take a perfectly nice female body and cover it up... why?
07:40.54zenziothis is why I hate photoshoots from beaches, the photographers love the sandy pictures
07:41.10Wobinalso... getting mud in ... awkward places makes for uncomfortable stuff
07:41.31Wobinzenzio: that's why you watch jelly wrestling instead
07:42.03zenziono, I just watch plain lesbian porn
07:42.12zenziowhy involve nonessential stuff?
07:42.25Shirikbluspacecow sounds disappointed
07:42.31Wobinzenzio: how vanilla =)
07:42.39mitch0wtf, they changed enchant shield - blocking to mastery?
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07:43.00zenziowhat did the blocking increase, chance?
07:43.09mitch0dunno
07:43.11bluspacecowusers posts picture link in thread asking for help
07:43.15bluspacecowwonder what it is
07:43.18bluspacecowmidget porn ?
07:43.21mitch0I just noticed that my auctioned enchants changed :)
07:43.38bluspacecowhmmm
07:43.39bluspacecowhttp://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8922/picture1ue.png
07:43.47mitch0and it was listed for 7g and now the mastery ones go for 200+ :)
07:43.50bluspacecow10.5.8 or 10.6.4 IYHO ?
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08:07.17MytholoI have a problem. Lets say i finish ZG in a guild group NOT using LFG Tool. In GetSavedInstances(k) then is written  Zul gurub 6/6 for some k. When i now use LFG Tool for random troll instance and i get ZG again and i kill the first boss with the random group there is NO Zul Gurub 1/6 in GetSavedInstances(k) But only the old zul gurub 6/6 ...  pre 4.1. every "ID" was saved in GetSavedInstances.
08:07.17Mytholonow its impossible to get to know how many bosses are alive in the certain instance i am..
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08:22.26Fiskerslaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout
08:22.28Fiskerslaps mitch0 around a bit with a large trout
08:26.20bluspacecow~whaleslap Bluspacecow
08:26.20purlACTION beats Bluspacecow upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
08:26.31bluspacecowXD
08:26.37bluspacecowoh baby give me more !
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09:14.18jnwhitehI hate curse.com
09:14.24jnwhitehI hate it with every fucking fiber of my being.
09:14.42jnwhitehAnd I dont' know why they can't make a fucking website that is capable of sending me god damned emails when new comments are posted.
09:16.26Cairennhugs jnwhiteh
09:16.36jnwhitehhow fucking hard is it =/
09:16.38jnwhitehsorry.
09:16.43BWMerlintell us how you really feel jnwhiteh
09:16.45Cairennnot hard at all, we do it :)
09:16.47jnwhitehI've been 'dealing' with this for four years.
09:16.52Kalrothgrabs jnwhiteh under the arms, lifts him up, swings him around and then hugggggs him.
09:16.53jnwhitehCurseforge does it.
09:17.02jnwhitehhow many millions of dollars have been poured into this shit?
09:17.21Arrowmasterhonestly i dont think they have touched curse.com in a while
09:17.34Kalrothjnwhiteh: Bad example. Just look at how many moillions of dollars that have been poured into your government.
09:17.39Kalrothmillions*
09:17.55jnwhitehKalroth: .... no, they're both *perfect* examples.
09:18.00jnwhitehwell I take supporting my users very seriously.
09:18.04Arrowmasterand remember nobody that created curse.com still works there
09:18.08jnwhitehand they cut me off at the fucking knees.
09:18.11CairennKalroth: there's a huge fucking difference between running a government for an entire bloody country and running a fansite
09:18.11jnwhitehArrowmaster: irrelevant
09:18.16jnwhitehthen they need to replace it.
09:18.20jnwhitehits ridiculous.
09:18.21Arrowmasterthey do
09:18.22KalrothCairenn: Depends on how demanding your users are!
09:18.27jnwhitehits the ONLY feature I care about
09:18.28Arrowmasterand i think they want to
09:18.31jnwhitehand I'm not the only one.
09:18.53CairennWilliam looks happy, and nervous
09:19.03Cairenn(yes, I
09:19.03jnwhitehindeed =)
09:19.07Cairenn'm watching it)
09:19.13Kalrothhaha
09:19.56CairennI'm female, I'm /allowed/ to watch it and be all gooey oooooh and ahhhh
09:20.33KalrothCairenn: I know a lot of males that are watching it, so you're entirely excused
09:20.39Cairenn:)
09:21.01Cairennthey keep talking about Diana, that's got to be rather heartbreaking for him, that his mom isn't there
09:21.15mitch0kalroth: they're watching to catch an upskirts shot or somesuch
09:21.35KalrothConsidering the media coverage, I'm sure he's hardened by now
09:21.41bluspacecowrazr put out an addon update to fix the naga issue o_O
09:21.55Kalrothmitch0: I'd watch too if that was the case!
09:22.02KalrothKate is a cutie!
09:30.09karl_w_wCairenn: yeah, people who run a country don't have to deal with flamers
09:30.22Cairennyeah ... right ...
09:30.23Cairennlol
09:33.19Kalrothhaha
09:34.12KalrothScientology is to the government what forum trolls is to Cairenn
09:34.24Cairennerrrr
09:34.33Kalroth(or any other religious sect!)
09:34.46Cairennaka, a thorn in the side?
09:35.04Cairennor more likely, a PITA?
09:35.20Kalrothcausing constant flamewars
09:35.24Cairennnod
09:35.32karl_w_w<Kalroth> Religon is to the government what forum trolls is to Cairenn <- fixed
09:35.47Kalrothnot all religion is bad, there's uhhmm
09:35.49Kalrothbuddism!
09:35.54karl_w_wsikhism!
09:36.25KalrothLuaism
09:36.54Cairennlol
09:38.52CairennI'd love to be there in person
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09:42.09Cairennyay! there's the Queen and Phillip
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09:49.54karl_w_womg im so excited!
09:51.57Cairennthey did a pretty good job of hiding the gown, but the bit I can see so far as she gets into the car is just gorgeous
09:54.16krkai didn't even watch when our own crown princess got married last year
09:54.19krka*yawn*
09:54.33Cairennas I said, I'm allowed, I'm female ;)
09:54.47Cairennhehehhe
09:54.49Kalrothkrka: she isn't the cutie, the younger one is the hottie
09:58.06krkanot really, she's just another dumb, traffic violating smoker who happened to get born into a royal family
09:58.27Cairennand I'm Canadian, we're still part of the Commonwealth and have a lot of affection for the Royal Family
09:59.56krkai watched a tv thing yesterday about weddings, and it's funny that a lot of brides generally say "my wedding" instead of "our wedding"
10:00.50CairennI love her Maid of Honour's dress, too, it's gorgeous
10:01.05Cairennoooooooh my god, that's beautiful!!!!
10:01.49Cairennwow
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10:02.35krkawhich is?
10:02.44CairennHER dress
10:03.01Cairennit's absolutely stunning
10:03.15krkabridesmaids was better :P
10:03.51Cairenn(the talking heads have finally shut up, thank god)
10:04.14zenzioI thought that, if anything, I'd be safe from the wedding stuff here...
10:04.26Cairennsorry :p
10:05.24zenzioI just don't get it. One person declared royal because some great ancestor of his decided he was god's chosen one is marrying someone. That's a perfectly good reason to spend tens of millions of pounds, rather than on healthcare, education, science
10:05.47CairennIt isn't being paid by the country
10:05.54krka(our was)
10:05.56Cairenns/paid/paid for/
10:06.10jnwhitehzenzio: inded.
10:06.16krkamaybe GB is better, but don't their royal family get welfare money from the government?
10:06.18jnwhitehits being paid for by Charles and the Middletons
10:06.28zenzioand where do they get their money from?
10:06.35jnwhitehThe Middletons made it all
10:06.38krkai know the swedish royal family get welfare
10:06.38jnwhitehand Charles has family money
10:06.43krkaa _lot_ o welfare
10:06.43zenziosame here krka
10:07.00krkaand some more welfare for special occasions, such as weddings
10:07.10jnwhitehWell, there's none of that help
10:07.11jnwhitehhere
10:07.13krkagod forbid they should need to take some money from their government sponsored fortune
10:07.31jnwhitehHate your own governments, don't spread it to anothers when you dont' fully know the situation =)
10:07.46zenzioI apply my hate to any and all monarchies
10:07.47krkahence, the "maybe GB is better"
10:08.00zenzioand Kate still reminds me of a porn star
10:08.01jnwhitehzenzio: nice to see you're a reasonable individual
10:08.17zenziojnwhiteh: my primary nick should've clued you years ago :-)
10:08.37Cairennignores the blah that's suddenly going on in here and goes back to just enjoying the wedding
10:08.40krkai'd be fine with monarchy if they were self sufficient and didn't have any special laws to get immunity and stuff
10:08.45jnwhitehCairenn: indeed =)
10:08.48zenzioand I do use the quote "Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable man" as my status on most pages/IMs
10:08.58krkajnwhiteh: do royalty get special laws in GB?
10:09.07krkalike can't be prosecuted for crimes
10:09.12jnwhitehkrka: I don't know, I'm not a British subject.
10:09.22zenzioI'm anti-monarchy because the premise that those royals were special is (in my opinion) flawed
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10:09.29jnwhitehI do happen to know about the costs of the wedding because its been a topic of conversation lately
10:09.34krkai see
10:09.35zenzioat least a sucky president is just an elected person
10:10.12zenziothen again, I'm generally anti-human
10:10.38mitch0;)
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10:11.56jnwhitehhrm, I wonder if I could write an addon to auto-queue for a dungeon that has a healing call to arms.
10:17.06jnwhitehCairenn: is there a race we weren't aware of? =)
10:17.14Cairennhmmm?
10:18.42bluspacecowsexiest but wiggle race
10:18.45bluspacecow*butt
10:18.59jnwhitehCairenn: seemed like Wills was racing to finish the vows =)
10:19.06Cairennah
10:19.08Cairennheh
10:19.19Cairennnerves, no doubt
10:20.04Cairennand it's done
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10:20.27Cairennyayayayayay, congrats Will and Kate!
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10:54.46Computerpunkhttp://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1992/451341.jpg
10:54.48ComputerpunkPoor Shaman.
11:10.38mikmacairenn: http://kuvaton.com/browse/17818/skinny_vs_fat.jpg
11:10.46bluspacecowKK bbl
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11:11.24Cairennmikma: heh
11:12.24mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/wolfpack.jpg
11:17.09Cairennlol, those poor horses - there are enough screaming crowds that even those well trained horses are rambunctious
11:18.39mikmaobviously someone is watching royal weddings
11:18.52Cairennyes
11:19.02Cairennunabashedly
11:19.33cbreak_workToday my school mensa served "Fish and Chips"
11:19.55cbreak_workthey bought news paper printed paper wrappers for the french fries...
11:20.04cbreak_worknot even real newspaper!
11:20.15Cairennchips, not french fries :p
11:20.46mikmacairenn: ...
11:20.55cbreak_workfreedom!
11:20.57Cairennwhat?
11:21.02mikmayou do know that english pricks call french fries chips, you do don't you?
11:21.50CairennEnglish 'pricks'?
11:22.06mikmathe ones under the funky flag
11:22.13mikmathe ones living in the small island
11:22.15Kalrotharen't all brits pricks?!
11:22.26mikmaenglish english :D
11:22.40mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/4_3_2_1_normipaiva.jpg
11:23.38cbreak_workthey look surprisingly relaxed
11:23.53Cairennthey look very happy
11:26.24mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJFZLPgvlM
11:26.33mikmahappe easter from Thomas Bergersen
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11:29.29Cairennholy cow, the first shot of Hyde Park (that I've seen)
11:29.39Cairennthat's a lot of people!
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11:50.55Adyshttp://ycorpblog.com/2011/04/27/youtube-acquire-delicious/
12:03.42Maldivia... det er i dag et vejr, et solskinsvejr... oh søde vår, så er du atter nær...
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12:11.23AdysMaldivia: I saved a nun's life. Why am I being punished?
12:11.59Kalrothit was an evil nun
12:13.17jnwhitehZul'aman is hard.
12:13.25jnwhitehAlthough we got bugged Dragonhawk and Eagle encounters =/
12:14.51MaldiviaAdys: how can _that_ be a punishment?
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12:15.23AdysMaldivia: how can what be a punishment?
12:15.43MaldiviaAdys: well, how are you being punished?
12:15.51Adysit was a joke :P
12:16.41Maldiviawell, figured you'd been forced to watch TV all morning or something :P
12:16.47jnwhitehhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAlWf6guFoA
12:17.01AdysMaldivia: I just woke up :P
12:17.52alestaneFigures I log in 15 seconds before rolling restart.
12:18.47Maldiviajnwhiteh: LOL!!
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12:22.32AdysI just found out that vlc's clock runs very slightly slower than my computer's
12:23.03Adysa 20m54s vid runs in slightly over 21m
12:23.08zenziohaha... http://www.baneplanet.com/img/animals/lol_animal/lol_animal8.jpg
12:23.15Adysi wonder how much time ive been wasting
12:23.42bluspacecowSo anyone know definately what the "Optimize Network for Speed"option actually is ?
12:23.51Adyszenzio: when i saw that the first time I wasn't old enough to take driving lessons
12:24.21zenzioAdys: I assume you're making an "old!" joke, but sadly I do not care as this was the first time someone's linked me that
12:27.01Adyszenzio: no, I'm surprised you've never seen it before, this is older than lolcats :P
12:27.27zenzioAdys: it's a big Internet, I have only wandered some of the paths
12:27.28Cairennwooooo, there's the kiss!  now I can go sleep
12:27.40zenzioquestions Cairenn|afk's judgement
12:27.42Adysalright who kissed Cairenn|afk?
12:28.31alestaneProbably wedding coverage, if I had to guess.
12:28.57alestaneNot that it kissed her, but I'm guessing that's the kiss she referred to.
12:29.12bluspacecowpretty sure i heard the I do 2 hrs ago
12:30.05jnwhitehyou couldn't have
12:30.08jnwhitehthere was no "I do"
12:30.17jnwhitehbut there were two "I will"s =)
12:30.30zenzio"Jolly good reverend, I shall consider it"
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12:37.06LopeppeppyRepeat after me - food before narcotics!
12:40.00Fiskershello jnwhiteh
12:40.06Fiskerhello*
12:40.35alestaneThat's usually a good policy, dear, yes.
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12:41.04Fiskeri disagree
12:42.24Fiskerdon't you agree alestane ?
12:43.11Fiskerso it's a jerk move eh?
12:43.58alestaneHmm?
12:45.37bluspacecow@jnwhite
12:45.39bluspacecowactually
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12:46.20bluspacecowthere was something about "do you kate blah blah blah take blah blah choir singing bishop that reminded of that guy from 4 weedings and a funeral" that I heard
12:46.32bluspacecowof course i was at work so i heard stuff all blurred together
12:46.58bluspacecowi think there was a harpsicord or two
12:47.31jnwhitehbluspacecow: and she answered "I will" =)
12:47.39bluspacecowwot
12:47.41jnwhitehI think
12:47.42jnwhiteh=)
12:47.46jnwhitehhehe
12:47.47bluspacecowshe said that shes william ?
12:47.53bluspacecowthats the name of who shes marrying !
12:47.56jnwhitehand he said I kate
12:47.57bluspacecowsilly pillock
12:47.59jnwhitehit was awkward
12:49.24LopeppeppyThe queen was looking quite snappish in her yellow outfit, that was very nice.
12:49.56mikmajnwhiteh: hawkward!
12:50.06bluspacecow*has visions of the queen snapping her fingers like a 70s drag queen*
12:50.35mikmahttp://www.howtobelikeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/hawkward.jpg
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12:51.07LopeppeppyBLUE!  *bonk*
12:51.14bluspacecow*hides*
12:51.23LopeppeppyShow some respect for your elders, or she'll pop a cap in your arse.  :P
12:51.53bluspacecowwhy should i ? she's the monarch of the country that *invaded* nz
12:51.58bluspacecow*throws chew toy*
12:52.26LopeppeppySo go invade her back, beat  her Beefeaters up with the chewtoy.
12:52.33bluspacecowim kidding of course
12:52.53LopeppeppyI don't think the Beefeaters would mind.  They need the massage after a long day at work.  :)
12:53.56LopeppeppyI prefer the Tudor era, but I have a lot of admiration for anyone who still stands up to a responsible position like that at her age.  You go, girl.
12:54.15bluspacecowyeah she rox
12:54.17Fiskerhey bluspacecow
12:54.20bluspacecowyes
12:54.20Fiskernot so hey Lopeppeppy
12:54.24Fiskerand not so hey jnwhiteh :(
12:54.45LopeppeppyFisker, you haven't gotten me my present yet, I'm still mad at you.  Today it could be an electric blanket, it was only 50 degrees in my room this morning.
12:54.52bluspacecowhai hai hai peepy and jnwhite jump in ma hay
12:55.10Fisker~google 50 fahrenheit in celsius
12:55.19Fiskerpurl doesn't care
12:55.21Fiskerso neither do i
12:55.21bluspacecow*hey hey hey
12:56.18Lopeppeppy10
12:56.53Flyocis the author of DocsDebugRune around here sometimes ?
12:57.17LopeppeppyWho is listed as the author, Flyoc?
12:58.26bluspacecow~project DocsDebugRune
12:58.32bluspacecowpurl ?
12:58.35bluspacecow*poke*
12:58.38bluspacecowshe's dead !
12:58.49foxlit~~~~~~~
12:58.49purlACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat foxlit.
12:58.57Fiskersomething amazing happened
12:58.58FlyocI guess some guy named Docs-something ?
12:59.06Flyocgiven he's also made DocsNameplate
12:59.07FiskerThe EA intro on Darkspore can still be skipped
12:59.11FiskerDO YOU HEAR THAT GUYS?
12:59.14FiskerTHIS GAME HAS AN EA INTRO
12:59.17FiskerAND IT CAN BE SKIPPED
12:59.31Fiskeri think i have to inform the press
12:59.36foxlitold news, Fisker.
12:59.43Flyocdr_AllCOM3 is the author, Lopeppeppy
12:59.51Fiskerno foxlit
12:59.52foxlitDA2 had a skippable EA intro.
13:00.00Fiskeromg
13:00.14Fiskermaybe EA discovered it had cancer and only have a few years left to live in?
13:01.09LopeppeppyNot a familiar handle, Flyoc, unless s/he uses something different if they log in here.  Have you posted your comments/questions on the site where you downloaded the addon?
13:01.51Flyocthey have already been posted, just wanted to know if the author is going to update the addon for 4.1 quickly
13:02.00Flyocor if I should invest some time doing it myself
13:02.13mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAdrR9Txpk
13:02.34KalrothFlyoc: supposedly he quit wow
13:02.41KalrothI remember seeing him here a while ago
13:02.41Flyoc:(
13:02.57Kalrothhe was also a big warrior/death knight poster on EJ
13:05.49LopeppeppyAh then. You might want to either search for a similar addon, or PM him for permission to take over his, if he's done with them.  Or write your very own from scratch as a challenge.
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13:20.08mikmahaste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/197334_209459189067370_100000098722467_841626_7143395_n.jpg
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13:20.55mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/compromises_must_be_made.jpg
13:22.09foxlit"Decreases the time between your attacks by 100% for 6 sec."
13:22.21foxlitIf that does not cause you to do infinity dps, I'm disappointed.
13:23.17foxlit[The buff description is much saner, though -- "Attack speed increased by 100%."]
13:23.44bluspacecow"Message: Couldn't find CVar named 'spreadnameplates' "
13:23.50bluspacecowthey removed that cvar
13:23.52bluspacecowhmm
13:23.57jnwhitehbluspacecow: yes, and added an options panel
13:23.58jnwhitehuse it =)
13:24.01bluspacecowinteresting BBL
13:24.03Zynnow you have to use the awful options panels
13:24.12jnwhitehno, there are new cvars
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13:24.13jnwhitehuse them =)
13:24.16jnwhitehhttp://apidiff.pastey.net/149444
13:24.33bluspacecowwhat color is the new ones jn
13:24.52jnwhitehall cvars accepted by the client:
13:24.53jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars
13:25.00jnwhitehyou want NamePlateStlye
13:25.09Zyn"Dark Simulacrum now works on numerous additional spells in dungeon encounters."
13:25.10jnwhitehbut you'll need to change the nameplate style to see what the values are/need to be
13:25.12jnwhitehso use the options panel
13:25.18Zynnumerous in Blizzard terms = 1
13:25.22bluspacecow@Flyoc you'll need to wipe your CVs and fix each addon error
13:25.36bluspacecowfirst is the spreadnameplates cvar being gone
13:26.01Flyocbluspacecow: for DocsDebugRune ?
13:26.05bluspacecowyep
13:26.30Flyocokay
13:26.47bluspacecowand use bugsack to make paging through errors easier
13:26.50Flyocbluspacecow: is there a full list of addon/LUA changes for 4.1 ?
13:27.04jnwhitehFlyoc: no
13:27.09jnwhitehits too difficult to do that
13:27.16jnwhitehwe have a few different resources
13:27.20Flyocthought they did somewhere on the forums
13:27.28foxlit"they" do not :)
13:27.29Flyocwho is 'we' ?
13:27.31jnwhitehthey don't cover everything, far from it.
13:27.37jnwhitehFlyoc: "the UI community"
13:27.42jnwhitehBlizzard doesn't give us much of anything
13:27.48foxlitThere are a few posts pointing out particular areas, but they're hardly exhaustive.
13:27.48jnwhitehthere's the FrameXML changes, the API scans, the API listings,
13:29.06jnwhitehI'm off to the gym, bbiab
13:29.20mikmajnwhiteh: don't forget to wash your hay
13:29.21Flyocthanks anyway jnwhiteh !
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13:43.29hastemikma: too pop-housy for me
13:43.49mikmahaste: poop-housy
13:43.49hastemikma: would probably be better with a more electro feel tho'
13:43.55Lopeppeppybluspacecow, did you remember to wash behind your ears today?
13:44.34mikmahaste: i'm in a need of new good music and this catched my eye in rlslog :D
13:45.16mikmahaste: too simple cd-cover to pass: http://www.rlslog.net/dirty-vegas-electric-love-special-edition-2cd-2011-caheso/
13:45.38hastemikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw81nOtU6Ks kinda similar, less house, more electro
13:45.59bluspacecow......
13:46.09bluspacecow@peppy don't think so
13:46.34mikmabluspacecow: accidentally, whole ear
13:46.50bluspacecowTNT!
13:47.08mikmathat reminds me
13:47.13hasteoh shit
13:47.17mikmaneed to bully xin to return my TNT!
13:47.32mikmahaste: http://mikma.eu/mining/Kuva018.jpg
13:47.33hasteI logged in yesterday, with three creepers standing next to me :(
13:47.39mikmahaste: http://mikma.eu/mining/Kuva019.jpg
13:47.47mikmadid i mention i <3 my work
13:47.53hasteø43 :D ?
13:48.06mikma43mm
13:48.14mikmamomentos
13:48.34hasteI like how the box says it has 25kg explosives D:
13:48.42hasteand that there's more than one box
13:48.59mikmawell, yeah
13:49.02mikmathat's how we roll
13:49.05mikmaLOL!
13:49.09hasteLOLOLOLOL!
13:49.18hasteI'll never get that image out of my head when I see LOL!
13:49.29mikmaoh
13:49.44mikmaanother moment :D
13:49.57LopeppeppyI think you'll need to scrub with aluminum foil next time you shower then, bluspacecow.
13:50.24zenziounlikely
13:50.28zenzioaluminium foil is frail
13:50.32zenziotry steel wool
13:50.48bluspacecowO_O
13:52.38mikmableh
13:52.46mikmai need to install some graphics program
13:52.55hastedon't do gimp
13:53.00foxlitnotepad!
13:53.09mikmahaste: nothing else is available
13:53.19zenzioI edit all my images in a hex editor
13:53.19hasteI'm planning on trying Krita
13:53.26hasteeven if I have to install all of KDE to test it
13:53.34hasteI made my minecraft skin in gimp
13:53.37hasteand I want to shoot myself
13:54.06hasteI regret not just using mspaint instead on my laptop
13:56.05mikmahohohoo
13:57.25mikmahaste: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/218060_10150165318884709_718124708_6601888_4958719_n.jpg
13:57.34LopeppeppyI wanted to leave him some skin, zenzio.  :)
13:57.35mikmahaste: that's not me btw ;)
13:58.11mikmahaste: http://mikma.eu/mining/vlcsnap-2011-04-29-16h54m55s45.png
13:58.17zenzioLopeppeppy: but aluminium foil would accomplish less than any regular cleaning cloth stuff
13:58.20zenzioit'd just tear
13:58.21foxlitCall to Arms is weird
13:58.35mikmahaste: http://mikma.eu/mining/vlcsnap-2011-04-29-16h56m03s248.png
13:58.54hasteD:
13:58.54LopeppeppyNot necessarily, zenzio. When it's balled up, it can be a good surface for mild scrubbing.
13:59.18LopeppeppyOr it can amuse and terrorize cats for hours.
13:59.18mikmahaste: IT'S LIKE A BIG BABY! HUUUUGE!
13:59.34zenzioLopeppeppy: hm... that last bit is something I should try
13:59.50zenzioconsidering I've used the aluminium foil I bought a year ago only once
13:59.57hastemikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W13qGemayXU :D ?
14:00.00bluspacecowlolz mikma and haste exchanging TNT porn
14:00.13mikmabluspacecow: TNT is not Dynamite!
14:00.24mikmahaste: i kinda <3 this Capsule
14:00.41LopeppeppyA ball the size of a golf or tennis ball is endless crackling amusement, zenzio. Take it away when she starts to shred it.
14:00.44bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
14:00.45hastemikma: fire up "the music", fav song >:3
14:00.58mikmahaste: oh, falcon punch
14:00.59LopeppeppyIt grates on their teeth and annoys them, then they bat it around, then they bite it and get annoyed, and bat it around...
14:01.08mikmahaste: http://imgur.com/gallery/V1ubD
14:01.15hasteD:
14:03.39mikmahaste: this song sounds like... ducksauce and barbra streisand? :P
14:04.09LopeppeppyDuck Dodger in the 24th and a half... CENTURY?
14:04.17Adysjnwhiteh: ping
14:05.38Fiskerhaste
14:05.43Fiskerimma level 7 crogenitor
14:05.55mikmahaste: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205641_10150165319019709_718124708_6601889_2236391_n.jpg -> good thing i was wearing eyeprotectors that day
14:06.50Adysubuntu.com and its doc/wiki pages have a fuckterrible seo
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14:11.27hastemikma: wat
14:12.06AcidWebHello
14:12.23mikmahaste: in your butt
14:12.48hastemikma: ducksauce and barbra streisand D:
14:13.03mikmahaste: capsule - the music, sounds like ducksauce - barbra streisand
14:13.31hastenot sure if I want to remember that song d:
14:14.49mikmahttps://www.facebook.com/Psychedelic.Goa.Trance
14:14.58hastegoa trance :(
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14:15.06hasteY U SO SPONGLE?!
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14:15.30Fiskeri just lold haste
14:15.31hasteoh wait, now I'm mixing :D
14:15.33FiskerWHAT THE FUCK DO I DO?
14:16.00LopeppeppyTake a deep breath, Fisker.  Laughter is a perfectly natural thing, it's okay for you to feel that way.
14:17.15KalrothFisker: Put the mirror down.
14:18.46Fiskeri thought you hated me Lopeppeppy ?
14:19.42mikma~kalroth++
14:19.46LopeppeppyNo Fisker, I'm mad at you.  That's not the same at all.
14:19.55Fisker:(
14:20.00LopeppeppyA present will appease an angry Peppy.  Nothing changes the mind of a hateful Peppy.
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14:20.42mikmacookies
14:20.48mikmacookies change the mind of
14:21.55LopeppeppyBut... I'm the one who bakes the cookies, it's not like I'm going to bribe myself on someone else's behalf.
14:22.02mikmahttp://notch.tumblr.com/post/4988431144/the-maps
14:24.46Fiskerooooold
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14:29.11alestanecovets Peppy's cookies.
14:30.22LopeppeppyFirefox gathers all cookies onto itself!  Grrrrrrr!
14:30.41FiskerLopeppeppy
14:30.45LopeppeppyDid you see the cute steampunk firefox logo on the addon developer page for FF, alestane?
14:30.45Fiskeryou should chrome
14:31.02LopeppeppyI do for personal use, Fisker.  Work however is only IE or FF compatible.
14:31.07Fiskerbam
14:31.16LopeppeppyAnd I'll rip out my eyes before I use IE on a routine basis.
14:31.19FiskerIf you can use Final Fantasy at work, why not Chrome?
14:31.25FiskerIE > Fx really
14:31.35mikmai call troll
14:31.40alestaneNot yet, peppy, I will take a gander.
14:32.23LopeppeppyIE is slower at processing in the particular program I use most of the day, Fisker.  Measurably, seconds slower to load each item.  F that, I'm all about faster Firefox.
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14:51.03mitch0is GetPlayerMapPosition() available in old BGs? (like AB, AV)
14:51.32Cidetry it
14:52.02foxlityes
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14:52.18foxlitold bgs had maps since ages
14:52.52mitch0thanks
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15:01.19Adysomgomgomg
15:01.25Adysdecent-looking gtk apps.
15:01.58hasteIMPOSSIBLE!
15:02.17Adysi finally figured out why gtk+ appearance under kde wasnt working
15:02.39Adysit was writing to ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4 instead of ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
15:02.46LopeppeppyInconceivable!
15:03.20Kalrothhow dares it
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15:29.12Kraps"Hours before the service, William was granted the titles of the Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, and *Baron Carrickfergus* by the Queen." (emphasis mine)
15:31.04zenzelezzhave to appease those Scots
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15:33.24Krapshow awesome is this for kate? "i'm a dutchess now bitches!"
15:33.37schnoggoPaying clients are taken care of. Time to update some addons!
15:34.46Kraps"After graduating, she worked in retail and then as an accessories buyer/catalogue photographer at her parents' business." i mean, come on!
15:35.16zenzelezzKraps: how long do you think she's been hearing "so now you're royally fucked"?
15:35.25Krapshaha!
15:35.48Adysi see youtube finally fixed the fking stupid leak on the timestamp
15:36.09zenzelezzleak?
15:36.15Adysmemory leak
15:36.21Adysit was crashing flash big time
15:36.27Adysfor the past EIGHT MONTHS.
15:36.47zenzelezzthe timestamp did that?
15:36.53Adysthe hovery timestamp thing
15:36.57Adysi dont know how its called
15:37.02zenzelezzI see
15:37.19Adysevery time you moved your cursor, it was redrawing the entire video
15:37.22Adys...
15:37.38zenzelezzoh, how quaint
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15:45.39Kraps"In a break with royal tradition, the groom had a best man—his brother, Prince Harry—rather than a supporter"
15:45.43Krapshmm?
15:46.07Krapsalso, was he wearing a nazi uniform?
15:46.20zenzelezzwhat makes you think so?
15:46.36zenzelezzpretty far from any Nazi uniform I remember
15:46.55Krapsremember that costume malfunction?
15:47.02zenzelezzno
15:47.39Krapshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4170083.stm
15:48.12zenzelezzthat was no uniform, it was only an armpatch
15:49.08Krapsstill a dick move
15:49.44AdysSomeone please correct this
15:49.50Adysone or more diploma / one or more diplomas
15:50.37zenzelezz/diplomas?/
15:51.04zenzelezzI suppose diploma is actually a foreign word
15:53.24LopeppeppyDepends on how you're using it.  Diplomas is plural, but sometimes I change that to be degrees.
15:53.32LopeppeppyI have two degrees, as well as two diplomas.
15:56.03Krapsits great when you're 7 or 8 years old and you're called Lady Louise Windsor or The Hon. Margarita Armstrong-Jones
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15:57.10zenzelezzpeople called you Lady Louise Windsor when you were young?
15:57.33Krapsnot me unfortunately :(
15:57.55Krapshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wedding_dress_of_Kate_Middleton
16:00.11mikmaFRIDAY FRIDAY
16:00.13mikmaFUN FUN FUN
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16:00.41Krapshave a seat mikma
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16:07.51Fiskeri came Kraps
16:08.29Krapshttp://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Apr/Week4/15982127.jpg
16:09.35mikmawhy
16:09.39mikmawhy did you do that
16:10.27Krapsbecause shes a commoner
16:10.49Krapswhich suddenly strikes me as pretty awesome
16:13.26Fiskerwhy Kraps ?
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16:13.59Krapsi'm not sure Fisker
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16:23.49p3lim~seen tekkub
16:24.03purltekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 20h 29m 45s ago, saying: 'TERA has actual furries'.
16:24.55p3limanyone know if tekkub is on a different network/channel?
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16:37.59Kraps"Scot Yard say Royal Wedding policing operation "amazing success" and justified pre-emptive arrests of suspect anarchists"
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16:43.53Fiskerso there i was Kraps
16:46.16Krapsyes?
16:46.56Fiskeri was there
16:48.09KrapsOH GOOD FOR YOU
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17:33.54KrapsBecause the Playstation Network has been down these last couple days, I managed to write my thesis paper, study, do well on my exams and get back my girlfriend. Otherwise I would have played Black Ops. -Crispy
17:38.50olafskihm. what if you have all tol'vir rares (except the vial of the sands), do you still get less tolvir digsites?
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17:41.07jnwhitehPlease vote for our friend who is competing to voice Neil Gaiman's American Gods. http://bit.ly/j3xQ8F search for 'Topping'. Thanks!
17:41.09jnwhiteh=)
17:42.07Fiskerhey jnwhiteh
17:42.23Fiskerthe last time i voted for something you talked about i ended up being spammed to hell :(
17:42.36jnwhitehuse mailcatch.org
17:42.43jnwhitehits not my fault you signed up with your real email address..
17:42.48jnwhitehand they won, by the way =)
17:42.56Fiskerit is according to my documents
17:43.01jnwhitehthe last people you voted for
17:43.05Fiskerk
17:43.07jnwhitehFisker: your documents are wrong.
17:43.17Fiskerguess you owe me a life debt then
17:44.12Fiskerbtw
17:44.30Fiskeri hate jerks
17:49.18Fiskerjnwhiteh
17:49.19Fiskerhttp://i.imgur.com/haW2I.jpg
17:49.19Fiskerhoho
17:49.21Fisker"Goliath"
17:49.23Fiskerhohohoho
17:49.31Krapsso you hate yourself Fisker?
17:49.42Fiskerumadbro?
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18:11.15foxlit"…Is this the end of the Son of Durotan?  "
18:11.22foxlitNo it isn't. More leading questions, preview?
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18:22.38mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_2Z32qCYBg
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18:28.59Krapshttp://www.scoutshonour.com/donttakeitpersonallybabeitjustaintyourstory/
18:32.36Krapshttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Princess_Eugenie_and_Beatrice_on_formers_wedding.jpg
18:32.50Krapspro
18:34.18mikmauh oh
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18:50.53Fiskerhye foxlit
18:53.15olafskifisker: what game was that screenshot from?
18:53.57FiskerLULZ USA
18:54.01Fiskerdarkspore
18:54.42Fiskerhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2011/04/29/carrier-crackdown-tethering-apps-are-being-blocked-in-the-android-market/ <-luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulz
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18:56.04Fiskerlulz with me haste
18:56.21Fiskerlol dorks Kraps
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19:08.27mikmafisker: nice e-penis
19:13.10olafskioh never heard of it
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19:47.44alestane...
19:47.46alestane...
19:47.48alestanehttp://friendlyatheist.com/2011/04/28/going-after-teachers-who-have-side-jobs/
19:47.51alestane...oy!
19:48.12Shirikhow can I find this guy that came up with the idea of a "credit default swap" and kill him?
19:48.22LopeppeppyYeah, there was a college professor who was a dominatrix who got into some real hot water.
19:49.24alestaneBecause, what's the most important characteristic for a teacher? Apparently, that they be the most bland, unobjectionable person available in all regards.
19:49.57LopeppeppyYup. Nothing that touches children should ever have an adult anything.
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19:50.47LopeppeppyTeachers have known and hated that catch 22 for about a million years.  Especially female teachers, although male teachers get the same treatment to a different degree.
19:50.50alestaneI mean, would these people complain that some of their kids' teachers are married, because that would imply that they have sex sometimes?
19:51.30LopeppeppyYes.
19:51.53LopeppeppyAs a matter of fact, some schools have had a prohibition against changing marital status during a contract year.  It is not unknown.
19:51.54alestaneProbably, yeah. How do we stop these people from running the school system with their complaints?
19:52.08LopeppeppyYou can't.  They vote for administrators and budgets.
19:52.28Shirikyou get rid of a public education system
19:52.44Shirikhonestly I don't have a problem with that
19:52.49alestaneDemocracy...where things are run by whoever cries loudest and longest.
19:53.03LopeppeppyPrivate system, you get whatever you pay for, things are run by the checkbooks.
19:53.08LopeppeppyNot like they already aren't.
19:53.32ShirikI mean I'm even ok with a "government will pay for you to go to any school within XXX miles" but keeping the schools privately owned
19:53.55alestaneSome people push for government-funded, privately run education and health care.
19:53.57Shirikobviously that needs a little refinement to be usable
19:53.59Lopeppeppyanything has to be better than "pulling pigtails in recess is sexual harassment and gets a kindergardener suspended for a week"
19:54.02Shirikbutstill
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19:54.34alestaneBut then, people cry that the government is giving money to schools where the administrations don't "protect" their kids from things like teachers with private lives.
19:54.44Jamashwe don't need to abolish public schools, we need to fully fund them and get rid of this standardized testing fetish
19:55.24Shirikuntil they become non-public, the officials in the school system will be politicians, not administrators
19:55.39alestaneWell, I think schools need to be at least somewhat accountable for practices and outcomes. But it's hard to say how much role testing plays in that, and what the alternative is.
19:55.59ShirikColleges don't have standardized testing
19:56.01Jamashyou're living in a dream world if you think that private school officials aren't politicians
19:56.06alestaneMassachusetts is all "MCAS this" and "MCAS that" and I really wish they'd get rid of the damn test. But what do you put in its place.
19:56.15Jamashalestane: nothing
19:56.24Shirikwhen you get into the real world and you say I have ____ degree from ____ you get judged on that
19:56.27LopeppeppyRegents, like New York!
19:56.34Shirikand if a school underperforms, it's probably known
19:57.01ShirikI don't see why it should be different in grade school
19:57.21Shirikobtw, interesting note
19:57.31alestaneShirik, I left ITT precisely because of political bullshit. It has nothing to do with public institutions; it happens to any group of a certain size and level of hierarchy.
19:57.58LopeppeppyYes, they call that group dynamics in the psychology world.
19:58.01Shirikif we made school not free, it would convince people to do well in school
19:58.12Shirikyou don't pay for something you're not getting a benefit out of
19:58.29Shirikwhen something's free, it's very different
19:58.29alestaneExcept that it would also lead to a lot of people not going to school in the first place.
19:58.53ShirikIf it's because you don't have enough money, that can be resolved
19:59.03ShirikIf it's because you don't want to spend money, well, you're not going to get very far in life
19:59.17JamashI think people should have to pay to chat on IRC
19:59.26Jamashwell, just Shirik
19:59.33alestaneI'd say it has more to do with not generally grasping the value of education until after you've had some.
19:59.51ShirikI think it should be pretty easy to grasp when you don't get a job
19:59.55FiskerShirik
19:59.56LopeppeppyYou never know what you've got until it's gone.
20:00.00Fiskeri need cyanogenmod 7
20:00.02Fiskerplease
20:00.02alestaneEducation is rather like sex that way...you don't fully understand what's so great about it when you've never had any.
20:00.04Fiskerhey Lopeppeppy
20:00.05Shirikno Fisker
20:00.16Fiskeryes Shirik
20:00.17LopeppeppyI R mad, Fisker-din.
20:00.21Jamashso you want school to cost money, but then to give people money so they can afford school?
20:00.28alestaneThey're paving Paradise either way, Lopeppeppy.
20:00.32ShirikI never said I want to give people money
20:00.38ShirikBut that's what we're doing right now
20:00.52Shirik(we're just writing off the costs in a different way)
20:00.53Jamashso you want poor people to not be able to go to school?
20:00.58ShirikI never said that either
20:01.09Jamashso what do you want?
20:01.23Shirikwe already do it for colleges
20:01.26alestaneAbout all I can think of, if the logistics could be handled, would be to allocate a portion of each person's taxes to public education, and use it to fund the schools they attended. That is, funding would go to schools with a history of producing students who went on to contribute.
20:01.38Shirikgovernment-backed loans that people can afford to go to school
20:02.03Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
20:02.24Jamashwhat's the point of giving people crushing debt loads instead of paying for them to go to college and then taxing their income?
20:02.34LopeppeppyOoh, with a curriculum?  Curriculum would be nice.
20:02.43Shirikbecause people abuse what they get for free
20:02.52Shirikand then they don't actually get any benefit out of it
20:03.15alestaneI'm not sure which you're responding to, Peppy.
20:03.20Jamashwell, speech is free and I certainly feel like you're abusing that, so I guess you're right
20:03.40LopeppeppyRandom peppy is random, alestane.
20:03.51alestaneOh good, it's not just me then.
20:04.31Shirikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
20:04.34JamashFree education is an investment by the government in the next generation.  That investment will be repaid a hundredfold.
20:04.48Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
20:04.50ShirikYeah
20:05.06Shirikand we see where that has gotten us
20:05.36JamashShirik: I'm not making an ad hominem argument; that would be if I said you were wrong because you're ugly.  I'm saying you're wrong and also ugly, which is different.
20:05.52LopeppeppyOiy.
20:05.58alestaneChange of subject for computer geeks: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/384788/identifying_innuendo_no_joke_comp_sci_researchers/
20:06.10LopeppeppyHow about that NFL draft, huh?
20:06.48DWSRDid we get a hotfix?
20:07.13Shirikreally alestane?
20:07.20Jamashthere seems to be a tools patch
20:07.52ShirikLopeppeppy: Ew football
20:08.05ShirikI know I know you like football as much as Cairenn|afk likes hockey
20:09.30alestaneNPR said something the other morning about whether or not there was going to be an NHL season next winter, and I kept listening to see if they would say anything else about it, but the only thing that sounded even remotely relevant made me think they'd meant the NFL the first time.
20:09.44Jamashfootball is the one where the game lasts three hours but the actual playing time is about six minutes, right?
20:09.59alestaneAn hour. And that's true of most professional sports.
20:10.28Jamashbasketball and soccer teams seem to manage to actually play the game at least some of the time
20:10.45Shirikbaseball just admits that there's no sense in keeping time
20:11.26Jamashactually, here's a question: which is longer, the game or the halftime show?
20:11.40alestaneWe could have EXTRA innings!
20:12.38Shirikhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/donald-trump-in-vegas-our-leaders-are-stupid-they-are-stupid-people.html
20:12.56Jamashand he wants to be the stupid-in-chief
20:13.56Shirikhe's right
20:14.09Jamash0/10
20:15.07Jamasheven fox snooze thinks he's an idiot
20:16.48alestane"Double Entendre via Noun Transfer" or DEviaNT for short.
20:17.25alestaneHe's as right as the people complaining on the forums that Blizzard have no idea how to run an MMO.
20:17.38alestaneSorry, the last line there was a bit out of context.
20:18.21JamashI think the GOP has decided to go from a "big tent" party to a "circus tent" party
20:19.22ShirikJamash anyone fox thinks is an idiot must be a genius, by definition
20:19.58JamashShirik: I heard fox news thinks you're a genius
20:20.17alestaneUm no. I loathe them cordially, but "Go directly to fallacy. Do not pass logic. Do not collect credibility."
20:21.20olafskican you enter ToB if the other faction has it?
20:22.36Shirikthe zone? Sure
20:22.50ShirikIt wouldn't benefit you much
20:22.58ShirikIn fact it probably would just lead to your death
20:23.40olafskioh, I'd get flagged? :(
20:23.45olafskiI just wanted to finish my dailies
20:23.55olafskiI'll just wait 2.5 hours then :P
20:24.01Jamashhey this trump birth certificate says "jamaica hospital"
20:24.09Jamashclearly that means he was born in jamaica
20:29.26alestaneTrump's a businessman. He's a successful one. And the main reason government exists is that certain enterprises don't do well on the business model.
20:32.10alestaneHe basically asserts that we should run our foreign policy like an acquisitions-hungry capital corp.
20:32.30Arrowmasterand make the rest of the world hate us even more
20:32.39alestaneWhich would probably be materially very successful, and breed a huge amount of ill-will on the national stage.
20:32.48DWSRalestane: As if there isn't any already.
20:33.30alestaneWhich supports in my mind the notion that we shouldn't be looking for more, DWSR, not that we should just say that if the tyranny fits...
20:35.14Arrowmasteri dont completely disagree with that but i think we should scale back our involvement first then upon request be available depending on the benefits
20:35.54alestaneI don't really want to see us in the role of global rent-a-cop, but we've shot most of our other resources to hell.
20:36.36Arrowmasterits better than invading other countries and stealing their oil
20:40.27DWSRalestane: It's ok.
20:40.40DWSRYour economy is in the drain anyway.
20:40.45DWSRYou'll run out of options eventually.
20:41.55alestaneOur economy ran up against the wall of "everyone just realized they might not receive as large a personal share of progress, took their ball and went home."
20:42.36alestaneThat's the thing I keep trying to grasp properly. Our capacity for production did not diminish one whit.
20:43.06DWSRyes it did.
20:43.09DWSRPeople lost their homes.
20:43.13DWSRAnd therefore, their jobs.
20:43.24DWSRManpower is still a resource.
20:43.51alestaneAnd they have the same ability to work and generate value that they had before. But the employers will not use that capacity.
20:44.14alestaneAnd they typically lost their homes as a result of losing their jobs, not vice versa.
20:44.21Fiskerhaha wtf jnwhiteh
20:44.37alestaneWe have the same people, with the same skills, as we had before the credit meltdown.
20:44.40Fiskerhttp://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/LG-OPTIMUS-PAD/HANDSET&clearance=false
20:44.42Fiskerdid you lol?
20:44.44Fiskercause i did
20:44.48DWSRalestane: Who don't have houses anymore.
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20:45.09alestaneWe still have the houses, though, in most cases.
20:45.15Jamashthe issue is that the banks don't care about the economy as long as they make a profit
20:45.25Arrowmasterthe problem is minimum wage, employers will move jobs out of the us rather than paying the minimum wage
20:45.25DWSRalestane: Sure.
20:45.40DWSRArrowmaster: Because the minimum wage isn't what the employer pays to employ you.
20:45.48DWSRThat's just what you receive for the work you do.
20:46.05Arrowmasterright, its a combination
20:46.10Jamashand since they can make a profit even thought their fraudulent actions torpedoed the entire rest of the economy, expect them to continue to commit fraud
20:46.29alestaneMany of which are sitting there empty and unsellable while their former occupants are out on the street. Nobody is winning, but people doggedly insist that this is the way it has to be.
20:46.37Arrowmasterpersonally i think the biggest change that needs to be made is all the tax fraud the major corporations commit
20:47.08Jamashalestane: because the banks would rather forclose than renegotiate mortgages
20:47.09DWSRJamash: Well, as the Big 3 proved, if you're big enough, the government won't let you fail.
20:47.31mikmahttp://www.geekologie.com/2011/04/sauna-pants-for-sweating-your-balls-off.php
20:47.51alestaneWhich is foolish, Jamash, since they aren't doing any better by foreclosing. But that's what you do when someone defaults on their home loan.
20:47.55Jamashthe US government should have taken over all the banks and gone through their records with an atomic force microscope
20:48.27alestaneThey would have concluded that the banks had no idea what they were getting themselves into, but rushed in like lemmings anyway.
20:48.39alestaneBut if they sent them all home, who would do the banking?
20:48.50Jamashand then fired and prosecuted all the executives who committed the fraud
20:49.02DWSRJamash: lol
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20:49.10DWSRCorruption is what the US is built on.
20:49.12Jamashbut no, we had to give all the money to the banks, then allow them to foreclose on their victims
20:49.16DWSRScrew the other guy as much as you can.
20:49.36Arrowmasterit wasnt just the banks, we gave money to anybody that fucking asked
20:49.48DWSRlol.
20:49.48Jamashexcept foreclosure victims
20:49.49DWSRCar dealerships.
20:49.53Arrowmasterhttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-real-housewives-of-wall-street-look-whos-cashing-in-on-the-bailout-20110411?print=true
20:49.53alestaneIt's not actually the foundation in this case, but the ivy's grown so far into the house you can't really separate them.
20:50.23Arrowmastertwo wives of wall street execs created a firm just to get a bailout
20:50.38Jamashnice
20:51.16mikmawobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2011/04/sticking-your-finger-in-things-you-shoul.php
20:51.56Arrowmasterwell they didnt really get a bailout but they got to invest money and if they lose money on the loans they purchased then the government will take the loans and the loss, but if they make money on the loans they keep the money
20:52.05alestaneAnyway, I have to pick the wife up. Peace out.
20:52.35DWSRArrowmaster: Good for them.
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20:52.40DWSRArrowmaster: They found a loophole.
20:52.51Arrowmasternot a loophole
20:53.02Arrowmasterthats the entire purpose of that specific bailout
20:53.33Arrowmasterthough i guess the loophole was that there was no limit to how old the company had to be
20:53.38Arrowmasteror big
20:53.54Arrowmastersince the company name has the fucking name of the bailout in it
20:54.41Jamashwow
20:54.50olafskiwtf mikma :P
20:54.57JamashI guess ron paul is right about the fed
20:55.22DWSRArrowmaster: Like I said.
20:55.38DWSRAmerica is built on the concept of screwing the other guy over as hard as you can.
20:55.48DWSRIf you get caught, hope the punishment is less than your gains.
20:55.50DWSRRinse, repeat.
20:56.17Arrowmasterexactly and this is also related to the recent sony issue
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20:56.44DWSRArrowmaster: It's not that capitalism is good. It just sucks the least.
20:56.46Arrowmasternobody takes security seriously because they consider the penalties less than the costs of doing it right
20:56.52DWSRI think there's a winston churchill quote similar.
20:57.08DWSR"Capitalism is the worst system of government, except for all the rest" or something?
20:57.41Arrowmastersome things need to have penalties so high that if you get caught there is the possibility of the entire company going bankrupt
20:57.43foxlitThat's not what the quote is about.
20:57.53DWSRfoxlit: No, you're right.
20:58.00DWSRDemocracy is the worst system of government, except for all the rest.
20:58.17DWSRBut it's pretty much true of capitalism as well.
20:58.19Arrowmasternobody uses democracy though
20:58.21DWSRIt's not good, just the least bad.
20:58.36DWSRArrowmaster: No country has true representation by population.
20:58.39DWSRnone.
20:59.04DWSRCanada doesn't, the US doesn't, none of the EU states do.
20:59.13Jamashpeople use "democracy" as a shorthand for "republican democracy"
20:59.13DWSRI don't even understand why, to be totally honest.
20:59.39DWSRJamash: Or constitutional monarchy.
20:59.41Arrowmasterwell in the past a true democracy wasnt feasible
20:59.45DWSROr bipartisan democracy.
21:00.10foxlitOne can hardly look at American and claim "The worst, but better than everyone else"
21:00.17foxlitwith one less n :P
21:00.29Arrowmasteri mean we still use the electoral collage in the US and it was created because it was impossible to tally the votes of the entire county
21:00.38DWSRArrowmaster: Was.
21:00.39DWSRIsn't now.
21:00.43Arrowmasterexactly
21:00.54DWSRBut the Electoral College, and other systems like it, allow people to cheat.
21:00.57DWSRAnd fudge the vote.
21:01.02DWSRSo that they're in power.
21:01.04Arrowmasterright
21:01.05DWSRSo why would they change it?
21:01.32DWSRI always say, if aliens were to ever visit this planet, they would return to their mothership and go "No intelligent life found."
21:01.57Arrowmasterif every state changed their voting methods from the current first past the post to something like instant runoff we would still only have a 2 party system because the electoral collage would lock it in that way
21:03.38Fiskerslaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout
21:04.37DWSRIRV doesn't even make sense in a 2 party system.
21:05.02Arrowmasterbut its not a 2 party system
21:05.13JamashI think we should abolish primaries and have some more advanced (IRV, approval, w/e) system in a single election
21:05.14DWSRArrowmaster: Does america even have a 3rd national party?
21:05.26Arrowmasterits just locked to a 2 party system currently because of the voting method
21:05.55ArrowmasterDWSR: there are at least 5 national partys i think
21:06.08DWSRArrowmaster: Canada has a 3rd national party. It has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the electionm but yeah.
21:06.16DWSRWe even have a 4th national party, but only the French vote for them.
21:06.19DWSRAnd only some of the time.
21:06.25DWSRWhy? Because they are French.
21:07.03DWSRAttack ads should be made illegal.
21:07.04DWSRSeriously.
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21:07.31DWSRThey're so fucking stupid. They only work on stupid people, which is unfortunate because 90% of people are stupid, just like 90% of all figures are made up.
21:07.37ArrowmasterJamash: abolish the primaries in name and switch to a more advanced system but still allow the parties to hold what is considered a primary if they want to
21:07.52Jamasheh
21:07.59DWSRThe primary just elects the leader of the party, correct?
21:08.10Arrowmasterright
21:08.11DWSRI'm pretty sure we have them here, but they're not held at the same time as the general election.
21:08.17DWSRHey.
21:08.19DWSRBe happy.
21:08.21Jamashno, the primary chooses the party's candidate for the general election
21:08.24DWSRAt least you have candidates....oh wait.
21:08.40Arrowmasterthough technically a loser could still run in the general election right now as an independent i think
21:08.45Jamashunfortunately
21:09.00Jamashthat's how lieberman squeaked through
21:09.26JamashI think the voting system should not acknowledge or encourage political parties in any way
21:09.50DWSRI think that not voting should be a fine.
21:09.51DWSRSeriously.
21:09.59Arrowmasterin some voting districts they dont put the party name on the ballot anywhere
21:10.02Jamashanyone who wants to run that can meet some minimal qualifications can run, with no indication of party on the ballot
21:10.04Jamashgood
21:10.27DWSRNot voting should be a fine.
21:10.27DWSRWhy?
21:10.27DWSRBecause the rent is too damn high.
21:11.04Jamashbut any talk of changing the mechanics of the system are irrelevant as long as corporate money decides who gets to be a "serious candidate"
21:11.40Jamashalso as long as the right to vote is not guaranteed
21:12.26Jamashwhere I live they make people jump through an amazing series of hoops to get an ID that you can use to vote
21:13.09Jamashthis is of course for the purpose of making sure poor people, students, people with no permanent address, etc. cannot vote
21:13.32Arrowmasterhonestly im not a registered voter, where i live it wouldnt make a difference at all if i was currently
21:14.04Jamashmaybe for national candidates, but local elections sometimes come right down to the wire
21:14.11DWSRCan tarballs be multi-parted?
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21:14.29JamashDWSR: do you mean can you append one to another?
21:14.34DWSRNpo
21:14.36DWSRCan I split them.
21:14.41Jamashyou can split any file
21:14.43DWSRAs in multi-part rars or zips.
21:15.14Jamashdd is your friend
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21:15.19DWSRJamash: Running doze.
21:15.42DWSRI also feel like having a multi-part archive for the sake of decompression compatibility.
21:15.59AcidWeb!api GetBattlefieldArenaFaction()
21:15.59lua_botGetBattlefieldArenaFaction: This function is deprecated and should no longer be used (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBattlefieldArenaFaction)
21:16.06AcidWebHmm.. wrong.
21:16.07JamashDWSR: use 7-zip, it'll split whatever
21:17.42Jamashselect Archive Format: tar, then enter the size of each chunk in "Split to volumes, bytes:"
21:18.21DWSRJamash: Does 7z do gzipped tarballs?
21:19.03JamashDWSR: as far as I know you have to tar a directory and then gzip the tar file in two steps
21:19.35DWSRthe CLI tar utility on *nix actually supports gzip and bzip.
21:19.46DWSRI'm sure it just batches the 2 steps, but still.
21:19.52Jamashnah, it uses pipes
21:19.56Jamashvery efficient
21:20.14Jamashyou could get MSYS or Cygwin and use command-line tar
21:20.32DWSRI think there might be tar compiled for win.
21:22.07Jamashhttp://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/
21:22.17DWSRyeah.
21:22.21DWSRSourceforge is apparently not working though
21:22.26JamashI use Cygwin
21:23.13DWSRah, just that mirror.
21:23.26DWSRI'm pretty sure I actually have the complete cygwin package installed on my box.
21:23.27DWSRBut meh.
21:23.29Jamashyou could also use perl with appropriate libraries ;)
21:25.01Fiskerslaps Jamash around a bit with a large trout
21:25.05Fiskerslaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout
21:25.32Jamashlossfully compresses Fisker
21:25.51DWSRpipes Fisker to /dev/null
21:26.18Fiskerinvents a fully lossy lossless compression
21:26.54Jamashoverwrites Fisker with the complete works of L. Ron Hubbard
21:27.50DWSRJamash: Tarball basically just creates a big solid file of everything else, right?
21:27.58Jamashyes
21:28.04Jamashit's a tape format originally
21:28.06DWSRYeah.
21:28.08DWSRThought so.
21:29.08DWSRgzip for windows only supports decompression?
21:29.09DWSRWHAT?
21:29.16DWSRoh, nevermind.
21:29.18DWSRMy brain hurts.
21:29.27DWSRlol
21:29.30DWSRI definitely have cygwin installed.
21:29.37DWSRI can ls in a cmd window.
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21:30.15sylvanaar_ipadTGIF
21:30.24Jamashwhy are you using tar.gz on windows anyway?
21:30.31DWSRJamash: Transferring to a seedbox running nix.
21:30.38Jamashmakes sense
21:31.02DWSRI realize that compressing the contents of this tarball actually makes no sense.
21:31.05DWSRIt's FLACs and MP3s.
21:31.08DWSRSo yeah.
21:31.13Jamashif you just want to copy the files and don't need the archive for storage I'd recommend rsync over ssh
21:31.27Jamashum, yeah
21:31.35DWSRyep.
21:31.49DWSRthe 7z archive was actually larger than the files uncompressed.
21:31.52DWSRI IS WINRAR!
21:32.07sylvanaar_ipadWINRAWR
21:32.18Jamashwell yeah, that's what usually happens when you try to compress compressed data
21:32.24DWSRyep
21:32.36DWSRYou'd think the compression algorithm would be able to detect that, though.
21:32.38Jamashsince the 7z also has metadata overhead
21:32.56DWSRCan you tell 7z to just store certain files?
21:33.01Jamashsure
21:33.01DWSRI've never really played around with it.
21:33.24Jamashwell, I think so
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21:33.37JamashI've never actually tried
21:33.46DWSROutfitter working with 4.1 yet?
21:33.57JamashI think so
21:34.23DWSRIt broke because of the new title handling.
21:34.30Jamashit appears so, yes
21:34.48JamashI just created a 7z with one file packed with LZMA and one file stored as-is
21:35.54Jamashyou would need to use multiple "add file or directory" operations with differing options
21:36.24DWSRThat sucks.
21:36.33DWSRWould be nice to just say "store *.flac *.mp3
21:36.35DWSR"
21:36.44Jamashlemme see
21:37.09Krapssylvanaar_ipad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
21:38.04sylvanaar_ipadI stopped it just in time
21:38.13JamashDWSR: You can probably do that from the command line
21:38.17DWSR!seen mikk
21:38.28Krapsgj
21:39.15sylvanaar_ipadI think I should edit the video and show it with her bursting into flames
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21:40.55Arrowmasterwhat the hell do i have to do to get my cable modem to reset and accept its new configuration data
21:41.14sylvanaar_ipadCaress it lovingly
21:41.49sylvanaar_ipadA little foreplay goes a long way
21:42.00jnwhitehhrm
21:42.06jnwhitehI feel so much better after disabling comments on curse.com
21:42.08jnwhitehI hates them.
21:42.13sylvanaar_ipadMe too
21:42.27sylvanaar_ipadI disabled them for wim
21:42.36jnwhitehI *want* to have them.
21:42.43jnwhitehI like supporting my users =)
21:42.48jnwhitehbut I cannot deal with not having emails.
21:42.48Arrowmasteri used to disable and reenable them at will just to fuck with people
21:43.12sylvanaar_ipadLol
21:43.39Jamashwhat do you mean not having emails?
21:43.55Arrowmasterhe wants an email everytime a comment is posted
21:43.56jnwhitehJamash: I need to be emailed when someone posts a comment.
21:44.00jnwhitehcurse provides this feature
21:44.07jnwhitehwhen its not licking its own balls instead
21:44.14jnwhiteh(curse.com, specifically)
21:44.17jnwhiteh<PROTECTED>
21:45.27Mikk~seen mikk
21:45.35purlmikk is currently on #wowuidev (1d 5h 33m 17s) #wowace (1d 5h 33m 17s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: '~seen mikk'.
21:45.35Mikkgasps
21:45.40sylvanaar_ipadI had a google group with the sole purpose of receiving comment emails
21:45.45Mikkafks
21:46.41sylvanaar_ipadMikks Mikk
21:47.25DWSRMikk
21:48.47DWSRdear christ.
21:49.07DWSRI JUST WANT HIM TO UPDATE 1 ADDON
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21:49.21DWSRIT'S LIKE A REGEX FIX
21:49.22DWSRSRSLY
21:49.31nevcairielmikk has addons?
21:49.34sylvanaar_ipadO.O
21:49.51DWSRapparently.
21:49.55nevcairielwhich?
21:50.00DWSRBaggins_Search
21:50.13Jamashfix it yourself?
21:50.31sylvanaar_ipadThe repo is prolly open
21:53.19DWSRhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/baggins_search/repositories/mainline/ O.o @ dev URL.
21:53.24DWSRJamash....?
21:53.34DWSRAlso...SVN REALLY?
21:53.44Jamashso does the fact that they're finally implementing character screen re-ordering in 4.2.0 mean that the squeaky wheel gets the grease or that blizzard will implement features when they damn well feel like it and no amount of complaining will change that?
21:54.05Jamashwhat's wrong with svn
21:54.10sylvanaar_ipadWelcome to 2004
21:54.12DWSRYour mom.
21:54.15DWSRAlso, that.
21:54.31Jamashit's not like wow addons are million LoC super dee duper distributed projects blah blah
21:54.36DWSRAnd more specifically that I need to actually install a farking SVN client.
21:54.51DWSRJamash: Git's lighter. Period. doesn't matter how big your project is.
21:54.54Jamashyou probably have a cygwin client installed already
21:54.56sylvanaar_ipadWow > Linux kernel
21:54.57Jamashalso git sucks balls
21:55.06Arrowmasterwtf is this bullshit, i have to signup to try this free week of hulu plus on xbox
21:55.18DWSRArrowmaster: Why can't it just use your XBLID?
21:55.33Arrowmasteri dont know but they want me to sign up on hulu.com
21:55.33sylvanaar_ipadJamash: I don't like git either
21:55.35Arrowmasterfuck them
21:55.36DWSRJamash: svn doesn't come installed in cygwin.
21:55.38DWSRgit does.
21:55.38DWSRWIN!
21:55.41DWSRah
21:55.44DWSRI don't have cygwin installed.
21:55.49DWSRI have git for windows installed.
21:55.55DWSRWhich has a partial cygwin install in it.
21:56.15nevcairielits actually a partial msys/mingw install, not crappy cygwin
21:56.24DWSRheh
21:56.36sylvanaar_ipadSickbeard > hulu plus
21:56.44Jamashgit is not a VCS, it's linus torvald's distributed backup system
21:56.50DWSRJamash: lol
21:57.00Jamashdesigned specifically and exclusively for his benefit
21:57.10nevcairielarent all VCS just glorified backup systems
21:57.10sylvanaar_ipadI love hg though
21:57.14DWSRRage harder bro.
21:57.47nevcairieland huhuh, a developer designed a software to fit his needs, first time in history!
21:58.01JamashI'm not complaining at him
21:58.14sylvanaar_ipadHg is great as long as you avoind mq, that's too complicated
21:58.24JamashI'm complaining at anyone who isn't working on the linux kernel who thinks they should use git
21:58.59nevcairielI dont think i should use git, but i like using git, the workflow just fits better
21:59.17sylvanaar_ipadMost ppl use git because of github
21:59.31sylvanaar_ipadAnd Linus fanboism
22:00.11Jamashgit is not meant to be used by normal human beings
22:00.25nevcairielwell noone in this channel is normal
22:00.31Jamashtrue enough
22:00.40sylvanaar_ipadIt is not a vas...it is a toolkit for building vas
22:00.45sylvanaar_ipadDammit
22:00.52sylvanaar_ipadVCS
22:01.06DWSRGit is fantastic.
22:01.09Jamashin the same way that C++ isn't a programming language, it's a toolkit for building programming languages
22:01.11DWSRI don't think you should use it.
22:01.21DWSRI think if you don't use it, you're a neanderthal.
22:01.22DWSRThat's all.
22:01.26Arrowmasternormal human beings cant program and wouldnt use git or any other VCS anyway
22:01.30nevcairielI also like working with C++, i must be extra weird :)
22:01.40DWSRnevcairiel: I can't stand C++
22:01.48DWSRthough I like it better than C99.
22:02.01JamashC++ and git are both overengineered and underdesigned
22:02.05sylvanaar_ipadI write c++ only at gunpoint now
22:02.43sylvanaar_ipadLike I was doing about an hour ago
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22:03.23sylvanaar_ipadI'd like the git ppl to try hg and give a comparison
22:03.37Arrowmasteri have
22:03.43Arrowmasteri didnt like it
22:04.02sylvanaar_ipadThat isn't a comparison
22:04.18nevcairieli used hg briefly when working on some projects that were in hg repos, and i concur, didnt like it
22:04.27Arrowmasterrebasing is not officially supported and .hgtags is retarded
22:04.52nevcairielman what would i do without rebasing
22:04.52JamashI don't understand why making every contributor copy the entire repository is portrayed as being a good thing
22:05.07JamashI don't actually want to copy your entire repo to commit one change to one file
22:05.12sylvanaar_ipadHere comes a git command...
22:05.31Hirsutegit out?
22:05.33nevcairieli think they are planning for shallow clones in the future
22:05.47Arrowmastershallow clones are already possible in git
22:05.47Jamashin that case I'm planning to care in the future
22:05.48nevcairielif you work more with one project, its really awesome though
22:05.54JamashArrowmaster: no they're not
22:05.59Arrowmasteryes they are
22:06.03sylvanaar_ipadGit -f -gehdg -kys -pool. Will solve it for you
22:06.10Jamashyou can't commit from a shallow clone
22:06.24Arrowmasterthey are still possible though
22:06.31Jamashpossible, just worthless
22:06.39Arrowmasterthey have their uses
22:07.17nevcairielI dunno, internet bandwidth and disk space are getting less of an issue basically every day, i don't really accept that argument either way. Even checking out the linux kernel tree doesn't take that long
22:07.20Jamash"you cannot clone or fetch from it, nor push from nor into it"
22:07.27Jamashworthless
22:07.46Jamashit's like taking a screenshot of a source file and saving it as a .bmp
22:08.31Jamashhey have they fixed the problem where if your git clone gets interrupted, you have to start over from the beginning yet?
22:08.55Krapshttp://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/royal_042911/bp28.jpg
22:09.31Jamashnever trust a smiling man holding a gun
22:10.41sylvanaar_ipadhttp://amplicate.com/hate/git
22:11.53nevcairielof course surveys how much you hate something will always have a high percentage. :P
22:11.59nevcairielsomeone who is happy will not bother
22:12.07sylvanaar_ipadhttp://amplicate.com/hate/hg
22:12.42nevcairiel@megsamommy poor you. HG sucks. Had it both pregnancies. Meds were only thing that helped. Hope you feel better asap with them!
22:12.45nevcairielthat seems accurate ^
22:12.50sylvanaar_ipadLol
22:13.11HirsuteHrmmmm.  HG would stand for what, during pregnancy?
22:13.46sylvanaar_ipadNo idea
22:13.56nevcairielalso, it counds stuff like this
22:13.58nevcairiel"apparently some people don't see the point in adding meaningful comments during commit #git #fail"
22:14.01nevcairielthats not git fail
22:14.07nevcairielcounts*
22:14.08sylvanaar_ipadMaybe she source controlled her kids
22:14.49sylvanaar_ipad"be good or I'll revert you"
22:14.54HirsuteMaybe HyperGlycemia
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22:15.34Arrowmasteror maybe git users are just less likely to to use stupid hash tags on twitter
22:16.02JamashI like how git's manifold failings are all the user's fault
22:16.13sylvanaar_ipadhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum
22:16.18Krapsofficial wedding merchandise, how does it work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_of_Prince_William,_Duke_of_Cambridge,_and_Catherine_Middleton#Official_merchandise_and_currency
22:16.18nevcairielmost of the time thats true, though :p
22:16.46Hirsutesylvanaar_ipad: Aaaaah, thanks.  I wasn't quite there yet.  Yeah, that sucks.  My wife has had it with all three pregnancies, through most of the pregnancy.
22:16.58Arrowmastermost of the hate is probably over the GUI
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22:17.13nevcairielwhat gui?
22:17.30sylvanaar_ipadTortoiseHg is super awesome
22:17.30Arrowmasterthe one written in TCL
22:17.42Arrowmasteror maybe one of the shitty 3rd party ones
22:17.58nevcairielI haven't seen any good Git GUI, i cant even imagine how one would GUI-ify a rebase operation
22:18.15Arrowmastergit rebase -i
22:18.36nevcairielinteractive rebaseing is so awesome
22:18.50Arrowmasterinteractive adding is more awesome
22:18.59nevcairielthat too
22:19.11nevcairielsomething i desperately miss when working with svn at work
22:19.38sylvanaar_ipadWhat is that?
22:20.07Arrowmastersee you complain about git but you dont even know a thing about its best features
22:20.07sylvanaar_ipadAdding a changed section vs the whole file?
22:20.08nevcairielgit add -p -- shows you all changesets individually, you can decide to add them, or not, or edit them, or split them in smaller changesets
22:20.36sylvanaar_ipadHg has same thing
22:20.52nevcairielexcept it got it like 2 years later :d
22:21.02nevcairielwhen i first tried hg, it didnt have ti yet
22:21.13sylvanaar_ipadFair enough
22:21.52Arrowmasterdoes it really have it or does it have it like hg has rebasing?
22:22.08nevcairielnah that one they managed to steal completly :p
22:22.52Arrowmasterno i mean hg doesnt really have rebasing and wont officially support it but its available as an extension
22:23.11sylvanaar_ipadOne that comes with hg
22:23.25sylvanaar_ipadSo it's official
22:23.52Arrowmasterbut the official stance is that 'its wrong to do'
22:24.10DWSRrebasing.
22:24.12DWSRIs AWESOME
22:24.16DWSREOF.
22:24.41zenzelezzso for someone who's not used either of the systems, what is rebasing?
22:24.54sylvanaar_ipadAvoiding merging
22:24.59Arrowmasterrewriting history
22:25.30Arrowmasterand you never do it on published history without taking precautions
22:25.44sylvanaar_ipadHg isn't big on the history rewriting
22:25.45nevcairielwhen you have a branch that branched off a while ago, you can rebase it back onto trunk, which will basically take all changes in the branch, and apply them on top of trunk
22:26.14nevcairielbut you can do alot of magic with that
22:26.15Arrowmasterrebasing local changes before sending them off is great
22:26.21DWSR^^
22:26.56Arrowmasteralso great for cleaning up your cruft so you dont sumbit a set of patches where you fix something in a later one that you caused in an earlier one
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22:32.44sylvanaar_ipadI'm not sure what I think of history rewriting
22:34.34sylvanaar_ipadOn one hand it's nice to clean up crap commits, and another the cleanup s pretty subjective
22:35.21Arrowmasterwell it avoids the crap merges when two people are working on a project at the same time and constantly pushing
22:35.44Arrowmastera merge commit ever 1-5 commits is fucking annoying
22:35.52sylvanaar_ipadTrue
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22:42.40temanyone here buy portal 2 for ps3?
22:43.54sylvanaar_ipadThat would suck
22:44.19temI agree
22:44.24tembut I have a friend who has a ps3 and doesn't care
22:44.40temif he buys the ps3 version, how much of a pain in the ass is it for him to give me the pc copy?
22:45.55Arrowmasterwell since i think they are supposed to create a steam account i might be hard
22:46.07Arrowmasterunless it comes with a code for it
22:46.32Arrowmasterbut that could screw up the steam part of the ps3 version
22:47.11foxlitps3 is on steam too
22:47.42sylvanaar_ipadhides his cc info
22:48.38Adysnew svengali dates for 2012 for those interested
22:48.40Adyshttp://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/04/svengali-2012-manchester-southampton/
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22:52.11Jamashif he buys the PS3 version and sets up a steam account, the steam copy of portal 2 can't be played at the same time as the ps3 copy
22:52.38Jamashit's basically like having the same steam account on 2 pcs
22:53.14Arrowmasterwell the question is how is the steam copy delivered
22:53.26Adysby mail
22:53.54Adysaw, crap, i was gonna make that into a joke but i just realized some people actually still use mail.
22:53.58Arrowmasterdoes each copy of the ps3 version only allow you to play it on one steam account? can i rent the game and still play it on my steam account?
22:55.22foxlit"rent"
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23:15.03Fiskerhello Jamash
23:15.05Fiskerhelloooooooooooooo
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23:15.34sylvanaari need someone to suck at darkspore with me
23:15.40Fiskertoo late sylvanaar
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23:16.31sylvanaardid you suck with someone else Fisker
23:16.45Fiskeryeah
23:16.58Fiskergame actually gets quite challenging at the later levels
23:17.57sylvanaarit would play better on a console
23:18.04Fisker>:O
23:18.05Fiskeryou
23:18.34sylvanaardo you move with your mouse?
23:19.06Fiskeryes
23:19.50sylvanaarim finding movement to be annoying - otherwise the game is great
23:20.07Fiskerit's ok
23:20.24Fiskerwhat really annoys me is when playing as a ranged your projectiles have issues going up stairs and through objects
23:21.54sylvanaaryeah thats annoying
23:22.10sylvanaari like the big tree on the first ranged guy you get
23:42.11Jamashmore like dorkspore amirite
23:43.31Arrowmasterheh i havent played in over a month and when i start up badcompany it tells me my skill level has increased to rank 2
23:54.09DagmarSounds like easy-mode to me
23:56.50Arrowmasterno most people still playing it just suck

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