| 00:00.15 | Fisker | pirate |
| 00:00.59 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 00:01.56 | Fisker | i was once a pirate |
| 00:01.59 | Fisker | and i said "k" too |
| 00:02.30 | jnwhiteh | i was one a "k" too |
| 00:02.35 | jnwhiteh | and i said pirate |
| 00:03.10 | haste | i was once a Fisker |
| 00:03.13 | haste | and i said "k" too |
| 00:03.16 | Fisker | noooo |
| 00:03.23 | Fisker | i want a tablet haste |
| 00:03.27 | Fisker | and not a brusetablet |
| 00:03.36 | haste | how about a stonetablet? |
| 00:03.39 | jnwhiteh | get a transformer |
| 00:03.40 | jnwhiteh | kk? |
| 00:03.43 | Fisker | yes jnwhiteh |
| 00:03.49 | Fisker | but it's not out until next month |
| 00:03.56 | jnwhiteh | liar |
| 00:04.09 | jnwhiteh | I got mine on Tuesday |
| 00:04.11 | Fisker | if even then considering the sold out copies in the UK seem to be replenished in june |
| 00:04.19 | Fisker | Then get one for me and send it |
| 00:05.09 | Fisker | anyway it's kinda annoying we have to wait so long for teh tablets |
| 00:05.22 | Fisker | It's like quad core tegra is only a stonethrow away |
| 00:06.20 | haste | A stonetablet away?! |
| 00:06.26 | Fisker | LOL |
| 00:06.33 | Fisker | World of Warcraft - Account Survey Notification |
| 00:06.46 | Fisker | Your account in the World of Warcra ft has been proved to have possiblely broken the following terms for usage of the World of Warcraft. |
| 00:06.46 | Fisker | Terms of the World of Warcraft include:you shall not develop sexual activity or abuse it economically |
| 00:06.49 | Fisker | LULULULULULULUL |
| 00:07.29 | Fisker | has been prove to possibly mayhaps certainly completely definitely un no certain terms broken the terms of usage |
| 00:07.38 | Fisker | GG scammers |
| 00:08.40 | haste | nice line |
| 00:10.06 | Fisker | doctor who was awesome though |
| 00:10.24 | A-KO | is |
| 00:10.27 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:10.29 | A-KO | and yes |
| 00:11.18 | Fisker | i wish one could buy an entire season from day one |
| 00:11.27 | Fisker | i.e. and watch it at the same time |
| 00:11.33 | Fisker | waiting sucks |
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| 00:17.55 | Wobin | Fisker: alas for the destroyed episodes that will never return to light =( |
| 00:21.54 | jnwhiteh | awesome |
| 00:21.59 | jnwhiteh | and magicka on vmware just crashes. |
| 00:22.11 | jnwhiteh | I quit =) |
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| 00:44.28 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:44.28 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:44.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by ChanServ -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || BC Tickets on Sale May 21 and 25th. http://bit.ly/dR0B0R || "I rhing inxoneol and fewroep sis PEWRRY FOOD JOV" -tem | Test Sylvanaar's IDE: http://bit.ly/hxTzyh || Happy Birthday Kaelten! | Test |
| 00:44.52 | Shirik | ha |
| 00:44.54 | Shirik | that's cool |
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| 01:03.14 | karl_w_w | Achievements to win 300 rated Battlegrounds have been added, awarding the "Warbound" and "Warbringer" titles to the Alliance and Horde respectively. <- why do alliance get such a poncey sounding title for the same achieve? |
| 01:09.26 | Shirik | is warbound! |
| 01:09.30 | Shirik | because that's how it is |
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| 01:16.35 | Shirik | http://blog.hunch.com/?p=45344 |
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| 01:18.48 | DWSR | Hey everyone. |
| 01:18.54 | Shirik | hi |
| 01:30.41 | karl_w_w | can you still do old ZA? |
| 01:30.43 | karl_w_w | in 4.1 |
| 01:31.32 | foxlit | unlikely |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | you have to turn it on anti-heroic mode |
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| 01:38.15 | airtonix | shirikFisker |
| 01:40.47 | haste | jnwhiteh: there's been a magicka update now, which seems to use functions not implemented by wine |
| 01:40.54 | haste | today or yesterday |
| 01:41.06 | Shirik | it'll be fixed by tomorrow |
| 01:42.02 | haste | it just calls two stub functions, so yeah |
| 01:42.42 | airtonix | Shirik: http://dirtsimple.org/2004/12/python-is-not-java.html |
| 01:42.48 | foxlit | qq steam, where's my portal 2 soundtrack? |
| 01:42.51 | airtonix | it's old but i found it insightful |
| 01:45.07 | Shirik | C++ is better anyway |
| 01:46.19 | airtonix | that wasn't the point |
| 01:52.34 | Shirik | airtonix, that was written by someone that doesn't know Java |
| 01:52.36 | Shirik | ironic |
| 01:52.50 | Shirik | unfortunately most java programmers don't know java either |
| 01:54.25 | airtonix | you could bring the word of god to them |
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| 01:56.05 | Shirik | airtonix, I would rather bring the word of Shirik to them |
| 01:56.07 | Shirik | it is more valuable |
| 01:57.12 | Shirik | http://chzmemeafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/naughty-memes-paper-is-for-pussies-rock-on.jpg |
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| 02:07.35 | Kraps | "Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle." |
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| 02:15.15 | sylvanaar | whats that from |
| 02:17.09 | Dagmar | Kraps++ |
| 02:18.28 | Kraps | i get quotes in my igoogle |
| 02:18.45 | Kraps | thats from Robert Anthony |
| 02:25.36 | Ingela | Is it possible to make a function that makes a fire and forget animation? If so, how? |
| 02:28.20 | Ingela | ag = fontstring:CreateAnimationGroup() |
| 02:28.20 | Ingela | , ani = ag:CreateAnimation("Translation") this is how i create them.. i can't really make ag.variable = fonstring.variable:CreateAnimationGroup() can i? |
| 02:28.27 | Ingela | and just make variable increase everytime you call the function |
| 02:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 02:33.39 | Kraps | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/fashion/24avatar.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimes |
| 02:35.49 | Kraps | man this article is so wtf |
| 02:36.44 | Kraps | HOW DO THESE STRANGE PEOPLE MEET AND GET MARRIED I DONT GET IT WHAT |
| 02:40.12 | Dagmar | They're the kind of people match.com works for. |
| 02:41.27 | Kraps | http://ramonapringle.com/avatarsecrets/personality-guide/ |
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| 02:54.57 | Ingela | nobody knows or can help me? :'( |
| 02:55.18 | DWSR | Ingela, what was your question/ |
| 02:56.43 | DWSR | You ought to be able to do that. |
| 02:56.49 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: never mind, apparently wikia already knows about their malware infected ad network (woo) |
| 02:57.12 | Ingela | DWSR, you think? |
| 02:57.16 | DWSR | Sure. |
| 02:57.24 | DWSR | Why do you need to give the variable a name at all though? |
| 02:57.41 | Ingela | hmm what do you mean |
| 02:57.49 | DWSR | If you're just using the animation once, can't you just make an anonymous call to CAG()? |
| 02:58.07 | Ingela | sec |
| 03:01.18 | Ingela | i'm gonna have "many" animations eventually, i can't pre-create "many" |
| 03:01.24 | Ingela | this is my problem |
| 03:01.24 | Ingela | =( |
| 03:03.56 | DWSR | Anyone know what SSL is on freenode? |
| 03:03.58 | DWSR | 6697? |
| 03:04.34 | Ingela | or hmm what do you mean by anonymous call to createag()? |
| 03:04.38 | Ingela | how do i do that |
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| 03:05.08 | foxlit | DWSR: freenode.net knows |
| 03:05.17 | DWSR | You don't need to neccessarily save a function's return in a variable. |
| 03:05.17 | foxlit | 7000 |
| 03:05.24 | DWSR | foxlit: 6697, 7000. |
| 03:05.28 | DWSR | And some others, apparently. |
| 03:06.46 | Ingela | DWSR, happen to have an example you can give me? |
| 03:07.15 | DWSR | I do. |
| 03:07.17 | DWSR | Just give me a second. |
| 03:07.20 | DWSR | Trying to bring my BNC online. |
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| 03:08.13 | Ingela | sure np sorry :) |
| 03:14.01 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (~DWSR@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 03:14.10 | DWSR | And there we go. |
| 03:14.11 | DWSR | Sorry about that. |
| 03:15.08 | Ingela | hehe it's fine |
| 03:15.45 | DWSR | Ingela: Do you need to refer to the value of CAG() at some later point? |
| 03:16.08 | Ingela | no, i just need one animation group, and i need to be able to make n animations to add to it |
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| 03:17.28 | DWSR | So you can just run fontstring:CreateAnimationGroup() |
| 03:17.30 | DWSR | ? |
| 03:18.18 | Ingela | oh |
| 03:18.25 | Ingela | i don't actually have to name the group |
| 03:18.26 | Ingela | ? |
| 03:18.33 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 03:18.39 | Ingela | i see! |
| 03:18.46 | DWSR | Well. |
| 03:18.57 | DWSR | You do if you want to refer to that group at some later point in your code. |
| 03:19.22 | DWSR | I haven't dealt with animations specifically, so I don't know all the ins and outs. |
| 03:19.28 | Ingela | oh ok |
| 03:19.48 | Ingela | then when i make an animation i should be able to just make fonstring:CA()? |
| 03:20.07 | DWSR | Should do. |
| 03:20.13 | DWSR | If my knowledge of Lua is right. |
| 03:20.20 | DWSR | Try it and see. |
| 03:20.35 | Ingela | i shall try, thanks a lot |
| 03:20.40 | Shirik | anyone here good with AI? |
| 03:22.46 | DWSR | Like EDI? |
| 03:22.54 | DWSR | Or the bag mod? |
| 03:23.05 | Shirik | like EDI, but unrelated |
| 03:23.25 | DWSR | Oh, can't help you |
| 03:23.40 | DWSR | If anyone here is good with Pure-Data and OSC, though, that would be cool. |
| 03:23.46 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 03:24.43 | DWSR | OSC is similar to MIDI, but better. |
| 03:25.31 | DWSR | Pure-Data is a program that acts as a glue in a DAW environment, allowing you to go between different mediums and such |
| 03:25.42 | DWSR | oh fuck off. |
| 03:25.44 | Kraps | EDI is the best AI ever |
| 03:25.48 | DWSR | The PD website is 503'ing. |
| 03:25.51 | Kraps | "that was a joke" |
| 03:26.03 | DWSR | Kraps: Wrong. GlaDOS is the best AI ever. |
| 03:26.59 | foxlit | Anyone here good with numbers? |
| 03:27.11 | foxlit | like 42, but unrelated. |
| 03:27.19 | DWSR | ^ |
| 03:27.39 | Kraps | over 9000 |
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| 03:29.00 | Kraps | i would say EDI is the best practical AI while GlaDOS is the best insane one |
| 03:29.57 | Kraps | but the theres Legion |
| 03:31.10 | Wobin | *clap clap* |
| 03:31.40 | Wobin | I wouldn't say GladOS is insane |
| 03:31.47 | Wobin | she just has different priorities |
| 03:31.57 | Kraps | so here goes |
| 03:32.31 | DWSR | Wobin: Your slow clap generator still works. |
| 03:32.34 | DWSR | So at least there's that. |
| 03:32.49 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 03:32.54 | Shirik | what priorities |
| 03:33.10 | DWSR | Shirik: Assuming you've beat portal 2? |
| 03:33.14 | Shirik | yes? |
| 03:33.33 | DWSR | Having not beat it entirely, but getting there, I can say she's mostly reasonable. |
| 03:33.47 | DWSR | After the first third/half of the game. |
| 03:33.56 | Shirik | mostly reasonable |
| 03:34.01 | Shirik | how did you come to that conclusion |
| 03:34.01 | Wobin | well her priorities are to get testing done |
| 03:34.15 | DWSR | She did say she was in it for the science. |
| 03:34.24 | Wobin | everything else cascades from there |
| 03:34.28 | DWSR | Shirik: Well, she just wants everything to go back to the way things were. |
| 03:34.41 | Kraps | need a practical problem solved, call EDI; need a mathematical problem solved, call Legion; need someone brutally tortured and/or murdered, call GlaDOS |
| 03:34.55 | Wobin | Kraps: what about SHODAN? |
| 03:34.57 | Shirik | now that's not fair |
| 03:35.08 | Shirik | GlaDOS is not a murderer |
| 03:35.21 | DWSR | She was just testing after all. |
| 03:35.24 | Kraps | sure... |
| 03:35.30 | Wobin | well |
| 03:35.34 | Wobin | portal 1 would disagree |
| 03:35.42 | Wobin | with the whole deadly neurotoxin thing |
| 03:35.43 | DWSR | She was just testing! |
| 03:35.54 | DWSR | For science! |
| 03:36.03 | Shirik | there's a huge disconnect between portal 1 and 2 on that part, btw |
| 03:36.10 | DWSR | Not really, actually. |
| 03:36.11 | Shirik | and that still bothers me |
| 03:36.13 | Shirik | yes, really |
| 03:36.29 | DWSR | On the neurotoxin in specific or how the circumstances of portal 1 came out? |
| 03:36.33 | DWSR | s/out/about/ |
| 03:36.53 | Kraps | Wobin: is that similar to I, Robot's VIKI? |
| 03:36.59 | Shirik | Really the attitude of GlaDOS in portal 1 vs portal 2 |
| 03:37.06 | Shirik | towards chell |
| 03:37.12 | Wobin | Kraps: possibly, she's the protagonist of System Shock |
| 03:37.25 | Wobin | Shirik: well, it's about the same |
| 03:37.27 | DWSR | Shirik: Umm....you destroyed her morality core at the end of Portal 1.... |
| 03:37.29 | Wobin | situationally |
| 03:37.45 | Shirik | that's not really the same |
| 03:37.50 | Shirik | it's not about her morals |
| 03:38.00 | Shirik | it's about why the circumstances at the end of portal 1 even took place |
| 03:38.09 | DWSR | Oh, why she's trying to kill you? |
| 03:38.09 | Shirik | at the end of portal 1 she was (relatively) happy |
| 03:38.18 | Shirik | at the beginning of portal 2 she's like "wtf is wrong with you" |
| 03:38.26 | DWSR | Shirik: She explains it. |
| 03:38.34 | Wobin | she still wants you testing stuff |
| 03:38.48 | Shirik | yes but she calls you a fattie :( |
| 03:38.53 | DWSR | The last 2 minutes before Chell kills her get saved for analysis, so she's watched herself die over and over again in the time between games. |
| 03:38.55 | Wobin | that's because you are |
| 03:39.21 | Shirik | DWSR: I can't really accept that |
| 03:39.26 | Shirik | She was off |
| 03:39.36 | DWSR | Shirik: "off." |
| 03:39.37 | Wobin | accept it? |
| 03:39.46 | Wobin | it's right there =P |
| 03:39.55 | DWSR | Shirik: It's not like the entire facility completely lost power. |
| 03:39.59 | Wobin | "black box feature" |
| 03:40.14 | Shirik | it just doesn't make sense the sudden change of heart |
| 03:40.22 | DWSR | How not? |
| 03:40.24 | Wobin | there is no change of heart |
| 03:40.27 | DWSR | You essentially killed her. |
| 03:40.33 | Shirik | she was testing! |
| 03:40.36 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 03:40.40 | Wobin | She lives to test |
| 03:40.41 | Shirik | and that was the test |
| 03:40.49 | DWSR | And now she's testing again. |
| 03:40.58 | Wobin | and that makes her happy |
| 03:40.58 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:41.01 | Shirik | and the problem is? |
| 03:41.06 | Shirik | somehow she got pissed off |
| 03:41.07 | DWSR | She's bitter about you killing her. |
| 03:41.09 | Wobin | and if she can cause mental anguish in you while she's at it, all the better |
| 03:41.13 | Shirik | Well then she shouldn't have made that test |
| 03:41.22 | Wobin | She's bitter, but that doesn't stop her from testing |
| 03:41.26 | DWSR | Shirik: I don't think you killing her was supposed to be part of the test. |
| 03:41.34 | Shirik | I do |
| 03:41.50 | DWSR | Well, you get outside of the testing area. |
| 03:42.01 | DWSR | So, I don't think you are, merely because you change the parameters of the test. |
| 03:42.14 | DWSR | s/you are/it is/ |
| 03:43.18 | DWSR | So, in Portal 2, she's angry because she's watched herself die again and again for (presumably) several years. |
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| 03:43.35 | DWSR | And so, she tests with you again. |
| 03:43.41 | DWSR | But she's not really happy to see you |
| 03:44.00 | Shirik | several years? |
| 03:44.02 | DWSR | So the euphoric response that she gets from testing with you might skew her response enough to not just kill you outright. |
| 03:44.03 | Wobin | yeah |
| 03:44.03 | Shirik | A little more than that |
| 03:44.07 | DWSR | But damned if she ain't cruel. |
| 03:44.32 | Wobin | 'several' =P |
| 03:45.14 | Shirik | also |
| 03:45.16 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | HOW HAVE YOU NOT FINISHED IT YET |
| 03:45.29 | DWSR | Raid. |
| 03:45.31 | DWSR | Easter. |
| 03:45.35 | DWSR | Sex with gf. |
| 03:45.38 | Shirik | I've finished it |
| 03:45.47 | DWSR | You clearly haven't had the last one then |
| 03:45.59 | DWSR | ;-) |
| 03:46.02 | DWSR | And work. |
| 03:46.13 | Wobin | I think the point Shirik is making |
| 03:46.18 | Wobin | is why aren't you finishing it NOW? =) |
| 03:46.21 | DWSR | Oh. |
| 03:46.23 | DWSR | Tired. |
| 03:46.27 | DWSR | Don't like to play it when I'm tired. |
| 03:46.34 | Wobin | pft |
| 03:46.34 | Wobin | weak |
| 03:46.48 | DWSR | Being tired just encourages me to cheat because I want to advance the story. |
| 03:46.54 | DWSR | Which I think misses out on some of the gameplay. |
| 03:47.04 | Wobin | you can't really .. cheat.. can you? |
| 03:47.11 | DWSR | Look up the solution |
| 03:47.13 | Wobin | it's not -hard- enough to warrant cheating |
| 03:47.33 | Wobin | all the puzzles are ridiculously straightforward |
| 03:47.45 | DWSR | Wobin: If you start on the right path, then yes. |
| 03:48.03 | DWSR | But I've had a couple where I start with the wrong idea and just end up confusing myself. |
| 03:48.15 | Wobin | I don't recall any red herrings |
| 03:48.45 | DWSR | Wobin: Overall, though, the puzzles seem to be quite a bit easier than Portal 1. |
| 03:48.54 | Wobin | yeah |
| 03:49.08 | Wobin | I note, that if there's a portal surface, chances are good, that you'll -need- to use it |
| 03:49.15 | DWSR | Wobin: Yeah. |
| 03:49.21 | DWSR | Though, the addition of the gels has been fun. |
| 03:49.28 | Wobin | I like the noise they make =) |
| 03:49.29 | DWSR | Makes solving the puzzles child's play. |
| 03:49.34 | DWSR | Wobin: Yeah. |
| 03:49.37 | Wobin | *sproing!* |
| 03:49.53 | DWSR | I like the fact that the game gives you audio cues now. |
| 03:50.28 | DWSR | And it's nice to know that the same shitty in-air physics that allow you to surf in CS:S allow you to surf in Portal as well. |
| 03:50.38 | Wobin | the music was really well concieved |
| 03:50.38 | Wobin | and organised |
| 03:50.48 | DWSR | yeah |
| 03:51.00 | Ingela | end song was way better in portal 1 though |
| 03:51.24 | DWSR | I've had a couple of times where my surfing experience from CS:S has saved me or even allowed me to bypass some of the level so far. |
| 03:51.33 | DWSR | A couple of jumps that shouldn't be possible but end up being so. |
| 03:52.10 | Ingela | gotta give the creators some credit though, first valve game you can alt tab from without crash/insane lag |
| 03:52.37 | DWSR | Ingela: Those symptoms mean you need more RAM/GPU memory. |
| 03:52.46 | Ingela | nah it's always been like that |
| 03:52.50 | DWSR | I haven't had trouble alt-tabing from TF2 |
| 03:52.59 | Ingela | oh i haven't played that one though |
| 03:53.03 | DWSR | Or from HL2. |
| 03:53.10 | Ingela | i had insane issues with half life |
| 03:53.17 | DWSR | I always paused then tabbed |
| 03:53.21 | DWSR | Maybe that's why. |
| 03:53.24 | Ingela | hmm maybe that's why yea |
| 03:53.27 | Ingela | cs is also crap |
| 03:54.20 | DWSR | anyway all. |
| 03:54.21 | DWSR | I'm off. |
| 03:54.23 | DWSR | LATAS |
| 03:54.43 | Wobin | Ingela: Nah. Want You Gone is really really starting to overtake Still Alive, for me |
| 03:54.53 | Ingela | are you kidding me |
| 03:54.59 | Ingela | gn DWSR tahnks for the help |
| 03:55.21 | Kraps | Want You Gone is way better |
| 03:55.31 | Ingela | you guys are insane |
| 03:55.37 | Shirik | most people won't like want you gone more |
| 03:55.39 | Shirik | but I do |
| 03:55.39 | Wobin | You just have to listen to it a few times =) |
| 03:56.30 | Ingela | hah maybe |
| 04:03.44 | Kraps | Want You Gone is more songifyable |
| 04:03.55 | Kraps | as peppy would say |
| 04:05.07 | Kraps | Still Alive has great humor, Want You Gone is much darker in tone and more music-ish |
| 04:08.14 | Shirik | that's because glados is darker in the second portal |
| 04:08.21 | Shirik | for no reason at all |
| 04:08.23 | Shirik | just because |
| 04:08.29 | Ingela | old and grumpy |
| 04:13.01 | Wobin | I've been listening to WYG for a while now, and it's really a lot more singable |
| 04:13.17 | Wobin | and somewhat less injokey |
| 04:15.13 | Wobin | in fact, WYG is like the ultimate break up song =) |
| 04:15.29 | Kraps | haha |
| 04:16.37 | Wobin | Maybe I felt Still Alive seemed a bit desperate |
| 04:16.53 | Wobin | as if she's trying to convince herself |
| 04:17.04 | Wobin | WYG is much more decisive |
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| 04:26.59 | Kraps | whos Caroline? a human whos consciousness was turned into GALaDOS? |
| 04:27.21 | Shirik | refuses to say anything |
| 04:27.45 | Kraps | hehe |
| 04:30.11 | Shirik | who the fuck |
| 04:30.18 | Shirik | I just updated my vim plugin for jvi |
| 04:30.30 | Shirik | and now typing :w pops up a "helpful" window with autocomplete |
| 04:30.42 | Shirik | so when you hit enter it doesn't actually run :w, it instead causes autocomplete to :write |
| 04:30.46 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 04:33.53 | nebula169 | ew |
| 04:36.17 | Kraps | http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-psn-outages-are-bad-but-xbox-live-is-okay--199469.phtml |
| 04:42.07 | Wobin | anyone want to try the coop portal stuff? |
| 04:54.01 | Shirik | omg yes Wobin |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | but maybe now is a bad time, I don't have a headset or anything with me |
| 04:54.17 | Shirik | and I don't even have a mousepad |
| 04:56.29 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:56.38 | Shirik | just learned a new vim command that he wished he knew about a long time ago |
| 04:56.47 | Shirik | J = join current line with next line |
| 04:59.48 | Wobin | I <3 that command |
| 05:00.02 | Wobin | when will you be geared up, Shirik? |
| 05:00.16 | Shirik | I fly home tomorrow |
| 05:00.34 | Shirik | so basically 24 hours from now |
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| 05:01.53 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:01.55 | Wobin | can do! |
| 05:02.02 | Wobin | (yay easter long long weekend) |
| 05:02.35 | Shirik | Now there's an awesome statement |
| 05:02.39 | Shirik | "I'm really happy to reach 80. I never expected it, not least having a neighbor â the greatest power in the world â trying to kill me every day." - Fidel Castro |
| 05:03.48 | Zhinjio | so, non-coding question. I know the collective wisdom says to not gem for +hit or expertise |
| 05:04.03 | Zhinjio | what about using the cogwheels for those stats? |
| 05:04.07 | Zhinjio | same deal? |
| 05:04.15 | Zhinjio | +208 hit/expertise is a buttload |
| 05:04.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:04.55 | Wobin | what class? |
| 05:05.02 | Zhinjio | paladin. ret/holy |
| 05:05.14 | Ingela | you don't gem for hit or expertise becuase str is a lot better |
| 05:05.19 | Wobin | I've cogged for expertise |
| 05:05.26 | Zhinjio | nods. I can't cog for str though |
| 05:05.28 | Wobin | but that's just what MrRobot suggested |
| 05:05.37 | Ingela | yeah exactly, so go what you want with that Zhinjio |
| 05:05.38 | Zhinjio | only for haste/crit/mastery |
| 05:05.46 | Ingela | but don't gem for hit |
| 05:06.23 | Wobin | MrRobot does my arms warrior pretty well |
| 05:06.45 | Wobin | I'm not raid equipped, but I do decent dps for not having 35x gear |
| 05:06.53 | Ingela | mr robot is a fag |
| 05:07.28 | Wobin | I don't think Mr Robot makes any declarations about his orientation |
| 05:07.34 | Ingela | :( |
| 05:07.38 | Wobin | but I admit I haven't looked in his FAQ |
| 05:08.09 | Kraps | Ingela could mean hes a cigarette |
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| 05:10.44 | Zhinjio | mrrobot says expertise and mastery |
| 05:10.46 | Zhinjio | interesting |
| 05:10.50 | Zhinjio | ok, thanks alot |
| 05:11.55 | Wobin | I think the thing I like about Mr Robot is it recalculates reforges simply |
| 05:13.14 | nebula169 | with the glyph and just expertise on gear, using a cog with it seems like overkill |
| 05:19.56 | Kraps | just watched this, slightly nauseated now http://www.destructoid.com/here-s-every-fatality-from-the-new-mortal-kombat-199433.phtml |
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| 05:27.48 | Zhinjio | hey Cairenn |
| 05:28.10 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 05:29.06 | Shirik | pets Cairenn |
| 05:29.11 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 05:30.57 | Kraps | My wife left me because of Minecraft and Wikipedia.-Bob |
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| 05:34.30 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/#!5795066/claptrap-has-a-proposal-for-you-tora |
| 05:34.34 | Arrowmaster | fucking epic |
| 05:34.47 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: FUCKING EPIC |
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| 05:41.44 | Kraps | has anyone bought this? http://store.steampowered.com/app/80200/?snr=1_4_4__106_1 |
| 05:42.21 | Arrowmaster | wasnt that mentioned in a recent extra credits |
| 05:43.12 | Kraps | possibly |
| 05:51.32 | Xinhuan | crap, itunes downloaded enough podcasts to make my C: have 700 mb space left |
| 05:51.37 | Xinhuan | time to move my itunes folder |
| 05:58.08 | vithos | anyone have simplesquare texture in the standard border format? |
| 06:00.43 | Kraps | http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/172/7/a/Joker_and_Summer_Glau_by_TheJokerTDK.jpg |
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| 06:25.48 | Kraps | http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2010/051/6/e/Mass_Effect_2_Citadel_by_droot1986.jpg |
| 06:25.50 | Kraps | bam |
| 06:29.38 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/RiMkn |
| 06:31.32 | Shirik | Java really needs a rethrow convention |
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| 07:19.17 | Shirik | ok someone explain this to me |
| 07:19.28 | Shirik | I'm getting a warning for "Returning a collection from a public method" |
| 07:19.34 | Shirik | I'm returning a List<String> |
| 07:20.00 | Shirik | Tell me what is wrong with this. I'm used to things like returning LinkedList<String> being bad because your invoker could modify it |
| 07:20.04 | Shirik | but List is immutable |
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| 07:22.09 | nevcairiel | what exactly does the warning say? |
| 07:22.51 | Shirik | It says exactly that |
| 07:23.14 | nevcairiel | google doesnt find a single hit on that exact text, so .. you're weird |
| 07:24.22 | nevcairiel | anyhow, returning specific implementations is of course bad, should always be List<..>, but i don't know why that would be bad |
| 07:24.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:24.23 | Shirik | sorry |
| 07:24.28 | Shirik | "return of Collection field" |
| 07:24.41 | Shirik | I confused another warning with that |
| 07:24.49 | nevcairiel | oh, you're directly returning your internal collection? |
| 07:24.53 | nevcairiel | should make a copy |
| 07:25.13 | Shirik | It's huge |
| 07:25.15 | Shirik | I can't do that |
| 07:25.22 | nevcairiel | then suppress the warning |
| 07:25.29 | nevcairiel | List is not immutable |
| 07:25.32 | Shirik | I don't get why the warning is there in the first place |
| 07:25.33 | Shirik | it's not? |
| 07:25.49 | nevcairiel | no its not |
| 07:25.55 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:26.01 | Shirik | I must be confusing it with something else |
| 07:26.12 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:26.32 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:26.55 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:27.10 | Shirik | silly me for thinking Java might have a useful concept of interfaces |
| 07:27.12 | nevcairiel | you can do something like, return Collections.unmodifiableList(yourList) |
| 07:27.20 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 07:27.23 | nevcairiel | which will wrap it so you cannot modify it |
| 07:27.26 | Fisker | i can watch movies over rdp |
| 07:27.35 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 07:27.39 | nevcairiel | but the compiler will not shut up about the warning :p |
| 07:27.48 | Shirik | the whole purpose of object oriented programming is that you can hide things you don't want |
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| 07:27.57 | Shirik | I mean I can make my own interface for it but that's not the point |
| 07:28.02 | Shirik | why does it not already exist |
| 07:28.27 | Shirik | and better yet, why the hell is there a method to do something that is a feature of the language |
| 07:29.05 | nevcairiel | its not a feature of a language, it just creates a wrapper object around it that ignores all writing operations |
| 07:29.37 | Shirik | the feature of the language is that you could create an interface, which I will call Foo because I suck at naming, which is essentially List without all the write methods |
| 07:29.57 | Shirik | you have no guarantee that Foo is able to be cast to List |
| 07:30.08 | Shirik | information hiding is what object oriented programming is all about |
| 07:31.03 | Xinhuan | cog|away around? |
