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02:17.45mikmajnwhiteh: well yeah. you could get me, haste, josma, and josma's brother to join you in l4d* ^^
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02:37.03mikmahttp://www.geekologie.com/2011/04/finally-an-iphone-case-with-co.php
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03:19.15AdysI'm getting angry
03:19.17Adyshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186507/
03:19.25AdysI cant find the exact title for this =/
03:22.20Corrodiasthat just tried to make chrome download something. displeasing.
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03:51.24IrielOk, that's portal 2 finished.
03:54.23DWSRr
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04:14.10WobinIriel: I liked the whole thing =)
04:14.23IrielWobin: Me too, only one "stupid" puzzle
04:14.24WobinIt was -technically- short, but the plot development was entertaining
04:14.33Wobinwhich one did you count as 'stupid'?
04:14.34Iriel(by stupid I mean requiring ridiculous timing precision)
04:15.20WobinI'd say getting into the pre-alpha testing zone was stupid
04:15.40Wobinbecause it really wasn't obvious that you couldn't go up the lift, or the huge fenced off passageway
04:15.40Irielavoids spoilers in channel 8-)
04:16.10Wobinnot exactly, spoilers, in that case =)
04:16.22IrielTrue, but still -- see PM for my "stupid" vote
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04:42.12Arrowmasterhttp://io9.com/#!5793704/can-you-recognize-the-10-greatest-swords-ever
04:42.40Arrowmasterwhy the fuck does everybody always get it wrong, Excalibur was not the sword pulled from the stone
04:43.24Arrowmasteronly the absolutely fucking horrible reinterpretations of the legend get it wrong
04:43.42Arrowmasterbut people always seem to get it wrong
04:44.13Cairennexcalibur was given to him by the lady of the lake
04:47.28WobinPft. You can't expect to wield supreme power just cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
04:47.38Cairennheh
04:47.48Cairennwondered who would come out with that
04:48.07Wobin^^
04:48.26WobinI'm still tired from the marathon portal play
04:48.36Wobinso it took me a while to recall the line =P
04:48.40Arrowmasterhmm i thought Caliburn was the name of the sword from the stone but wikipedia says thats just another name for Excalibur
04:55.42kd3...wtf? fark: Figuring he'll be recalled in January anyway, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker doubles down on the derp by instituting "financial martial law," giving him the power to take over towns he deems insolvent [Scary]
04:56.22Cairenno.O
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04:57.26Adysgrr
04:57.36Adyskd3: Im giving the crypt angle a shot for portal
04:57.46Adysbut rsaenh.dll isn't part of winetricks' crypt32
04:58.07Adysand I get CRYPT_LoadProvider Failed to load dll L"C:\\windows\\system32\\rsaenh.dll" when trying to load my own
04:58.09Adysany idea?
04:58.25kd3but why are windows users having the same issue? native crypt shouldn't be corrupting client/server.dll every cache check
04:58.51Adysim not convinced its the same issue.
04:59.09Arrowmastersomebody in #winehq was saying everytime they reverify the files they get new md5s
04:59.49Adysthat isn't necessarily a bug
05:00.11Adyscrypt verifies structural integrity, not pure file hash
05:02.31kd3sorry, tabbed out
05:02.38kd3ok, a different issue (one of several different issues getting reported on the portal forums) with the same symptoms?
05:02.54kd3's been running some of the dumps through the debugger and not seeing anything special
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06:34.43Adyshttp://xkcd.com/888/
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06:58.04Fiskeri am awesome
06:58.17bluspacecowoh rly ?
07:00.11Fiskeryes rly
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07:01.10bluspacecowno wai!
07:06.39Fiskerdon't you wonder why kd3 is a jerk bluspacecow ?
07:07.06bluspacecow....
07:07.08bluspacecowi don
07:07.13bluspacecoweve-
07:07.18bluspacecow*shrug*
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09:54.12karl_w_wwhen it goes crazy
09:54.22airtonixbluspacecow: WUT?
09:57.35bluspacecowairtonix does thou play mine craft ?
09:57.45airtonixi do
09:57.53airtonixso explain yourself
09:57.56bluspacecowok
09:58.01bluspacecowi have minecraft at home
09:58.13airtonixgrats?
09:58.19bluspacecowat work i cant update minecraft to 1.5
09:58.33airtonixyou can update to 1.5 at home?
09:58.42bluspacecowi can
09:58.44bluspacecowbut that OS X
09:58.47bluspacecowwork is windows
09:58.51airtonixhoho
09:58.59bluspacecowso the /bin/natives folder has the ones for os x
09:59.02airtonix<insert get a real os joke/>
09:59.32airtonixi haven't upgraded to 1.5
09:59.40bluspacecowi has the ones for 1.4 on a back up on my thumb drive
10:00.00bluspacecow*shrug*
10:00.58bluspacecowi'll have to grab a new demo key for some virtualisation app at home
10:01.07bluspacecowand update on there and copy it to my USB drive
10:01.30bluspacecowseems to run fine with the 1.4 natives
10:01.31airtonixwhat do you mean?
10:01.46airtonixlike virtualbox?
10:02.23bluspacecowyeah
10:02.27bluspacecowor parallels
10:02.32bluspacecowor whats the other one ?
10:02.34airtonixhttp://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.4/VirtualBox-4.0.4-70112-OSX.dmg
10:02.44airtonixvmware
10:04.00bluspacecowthink so
10:04.15bluspacecowheh i just keep requesting demo keys off them :)
10:05.22airtonixtroll
10:06.12airtonixbluspacecow: my name is in blue colour. and your's is in a green colour. :>
10:06.31bluspacecowi lolzed
10:07.13airtonixfuuuuuuuu
10:07.21airtonixstabs synergy
10:07.59karl_w_wblue > green?
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10:14.11bluspacecowwhy is your name in blue ?
10:17.39airtonixbecause that's what quassel paints it
10:18.00airtonixsometimes you're blue too, but today you are green.
10:18.18airtonixso, greenspacegremlin
10:23.20airtonix:<
10:23.35airtonixso 1.5 we don't have to waste carts for boosters now ?
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10:24.38airtonixShirik: that subway dispenser video i linked you is a good way to bring down a minecraft server... mine crashed about 3hrs after i fired up that launcher... the rotating cart actually started to levitate
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10:51.09jnwhitehairtonix: you still need cart boosters
10:51.18jnwhitehunless you have unlimited gold
10:51.28jnwhitehbecause making effective boosters with powered rails is too expensive
10:51.35jnwhitehbecause of the physics of the way they work
10:51.36airtonix:<
10:51.55airtonixwhy did they bother?
10:52.04jnwhitehthey work
10:52.09jnwhitehthey are just way too expensive
10:52.14jnwhitehand they don't work as well as cart boosters
10:52.19jnwhitehwhich we suspect they will remove at some point
10:52.48Fiskernot sure that tool works very accurately karl_w_w
10:52.54Fiskeratleast mine went from Denmark to the US
10:53.06Fiskeri would've guessed it atleast went through holland to catch the ride to NY
10:53.43Fiskeri just completed Portal 2
10:53.49Fiskerso now what?
10:55.13Fiskeryay
10:55.28Fiskertodays batch of "OMG WHERE DID THE SERVERS GO" contained no level 85 characters posting
10:55.54Fiskerjnwhiteh
10:56.02Fiskerwhy is that eee pad transformer so cheap?
10:56.23airtonixFisker: because, your face.
10:56.59airtonixFisker: i knew portal2 was going to be too short.
10:58.03jnwhitehFisker: dunno what it is
10:59.59Fisker~6 hours SP and ~6+ hours MP isn't short airtonix
11:00.18Fiskerapparently the best damn android tablet jnwhiteh
11:00.18airtonixFisker: yes it is
11:00.23karl_w_w6 hours is pathetic
11:00.25Fiskernaw
11:00.28airtonixyou should be still playing it
11:00.43airtonixyou shouldn't be anywhere near finishing it for another 6 months
11:00.50Fiskeroh ok
11:00.52airtonixanything less is a rip off
11:01.36airtonixeven on if you speedrun it.
11:01.46airtonix:<
11:02.26karl_w_wif you can finish the whole game in 1 sitting without depriving yourself of sleep, it's too short
11:02.54airtonixyeah easy mode should at least take you a month to complete
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11:23.10Xinhuanactually i don't think powered rails are that expensive to make jnwhiteh
11:23.28Xinhuan1 stack of gold ingots (64 of them), will make 64 powered rails
11:23.36Xinhuanif you use the first 4 for a launcher to max speed
11:23.48Xinhuanand the other 60 spaced 25 tiles apart each
11:24.02Xinhuanyou have enough to go 1500 tiles in total
11:24.08Xinhuanjust from one stack of gold ingots
11:24.29Xinhuanso divide that by 2 for 2 tracks to/fro
11:24.37Xinhuan750 tiles distance is still very good
11:28.21airtonixok so how far does the most efficient most powerful single movement cart booster throw you?
11:28.43airtonixi know the c-booster throws you pretty damn far, but it also brings down servers too
11:29.01Adysairtonix: by design, single-cart boosters throw you 735 blocks
11:29.10Adysit doesnt matter their design
11:29.16airtonixactually
11:29.18Adysits just the amount of friction with it
11:29.19Xinhuanthere's no limi airtonix
11:29.23airtonixi've noticed some fail and some don't
11:29.38AdysXinhuan: there is
11:29.41Adys735 for 7 blocks
11:29.44Xinhuanthere isn't
11:29.49Adyssince when?
11:29.50Xinhuanwe tested this
11:29.57airtonixrecently?
11:29.57Xinhuanthere never has been a limit
11:30.01Xinhuanyesterday in fact
11:30.08airtonixwhat type of booster?
11:30.08Adysi remember testing 10-block boosters
11:30.14Xinhuana 14-booster goes almost double
11:30.17Xinhuanthe distance of 7
11:30.20Adyswtf
11:30.23Xinhuani watched jnwhiteh do it
11:30.40Adysok so
11:30.41Adystwo things
11:30.42Xinhuanbecause i told him you were wrong :P
11:30.50Adysfirst of all, im gonna have to redesign my subway AGAIN
11:30.52Adysand second of all
11:30.53Adys<Xinhuan> i watched jnwhiteh do it
11:30.56Adysthis goes in the quotes
11:31.03airtonixlawl
11:31.12Xinhuanjust test it, make a loop of 50 tiles that goes forever
11:31.21Xinhuanand a c-booster that starts into the loop
11:31.24Xinhuanand count how many times you lap
11:31.41airtonixare you guys on 1.5 or 1.401
11:31.46Xinhuan1.5
11:31.49Adys1.5 here but fuck it
11:31.51Xinhuanbut there has never been a limit
11:32.11airtonixXinhuan: did you see the forcefields that c-boosters make?
11:32.12Xinhuanwhat happens is if you have 2 carts boosting each other indefnitely because theyare in parallel loops
11:32.20Xinhuantheir internal speed will eventually overflow
11:32.29Xinhuanand both carts will stop moving
11:32.33airtonixyeah
11:32.39Xinhuanyou can also test this if you have a few hours of time to ile
11:32.43Xinhuanidle
11:33.05airtonixwell i set one up and went underground to mine for a while
11:33.30airtonixcame back and the external looping cart was still moving around but a block higher in the air
11:34.02airtonixthen some jihad creeper took out part of my rail system
11:34.29Xinhuanadys: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=295030
11:34.33Xinhuanpost 4 has our findings
11:34.42Xinhuanand some post further down near the end of page 1 has extended findings
11:35.04airtonixforcefields : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqSwanb9_jo
11:35.08AdysXinhuan: checking it out thanks
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11:38.21AdysXinhuan: so whats the best solution for very large subways?
11:38.27Adysone every 32 rails?
11:38.44Xinhuanthe last guy has a conclusion that once a cart is travelling at 8m/s
11:38.54Xinhuanyou can maintain that roughly with 1 P-rails every 25
11:39.05Adysthat is fucking insane
11:39.07Xinhuani'm asking him to test
11:39.10Adys:/
11:39.16Adysim so incredibly pissed off about this
11:39.19Xinhuanif that 25 can be made longer without affecting travel time
11:39.30Xinhuansince his test control loop that does laps
11:39.34Xinhuanis 25 long i think
11:39.53Xinhuanso his tests only test for X P-rails  every 25/50/75 tiles
11:39.57Xinhuanor something like that
11:40.13airtonixXinhuan: design a redstone circuit for time tests
11:40.15Xinhuanhe observed that 1 per 25 gives the same result as 2 per 50
11:40.34Xinhuanbut doing 3 per 75 (that is 3Ps followed by 72Rs repeated)
11:40.40Xinhuanis visibly slower
11:41.04Xinhuanand also that 4Ps from a P launchpad makes the cart reach max speed
11:41.26Adysso 2P, 50R, 2P, 50R ?
11:41.36airtonixforgive me for being a math noob, but what is P and R ?
11:41.48Adyspowered and unpowered
11:41.59XinhuanP being powered rails
11:42.03XinhuanR being standard rails
11:42.09XinhuanD for detector rails
11:42.41airtonixyou couldn't do what detector rails did before i assume?
11:42.50Adysyou could but it was hacky
11:42.50Xinhuanyou can do 1P25R repeated, or 2P-50R repeated with about the same results, the latter will need less redstone torches/detectors to power the Ps
11:43.11Adysyeah im tempted to go with 2-50
11:43.13Xinhuandetector rails functions exactly like a pressure pad + R combined into 1 block
11:43.21Adysreally, 2-48
11:43.33Adysi cba keeping track of a fucking thousand coords
11:43.33Xinhuanwhen a cart is over it, it powers the 4-blocks around it, as well as the block below it
11:43.46mitch0is it possible to cast spells automatically from an addon when out-of-combat? or is a user action always required?
11:44.04Xinhuanuser action is always required
11:44.08mitch0:(
11:44.16airtonixreported for botting
11:44.26mitch0I just wanted an arena-prep addon ;)
11:44.47airtonixso did donald
11:44.48Adysthis is so fucking annoying
11:44.48Adys:/
11:45.11Adysi was really psyched about this update, turns out these powered rails just suck
11:45.36Xinhuanthey aren't that sucky, if you consider that c-boosters are essentially a bug
11:45.46Xinhuanthat would probably get fixed
11:45.53Adysi dont use c boosters
11:46.19Xinhuanthen?
11:46.25Adysu boosters
11:46.32Adys18 rails + 1 cart every 735 blocks
11:46.32airtonixumad boosters?
11:46.54Adys11 irons for most lines
11:46.55Xinhuanmy definition of a c-booster is Cart boosters - anything that involves carts in parallel tracks
11:47.07Adysthe c booster is a specific type of booster :P
11:47.13Xinhuanyeah i know
11:47.23Xinhuanbut essentially i was referring to all cart-boosters
11:47.29Xinhuannot the specific C version
11:47.30Adysjust say booster vs p-rail
11:47.31Adysor boostrail
11:47.32Adys\o/
11:47.34airtonixthey work all the same pretty much
11:47.39jnwhitehAdys: they really need to make detector rails have two states, one that accepts manned carts and one that accepts either..
11:47.46jnwhitehcould be damage states like redstone repeaters =/
11:47.48Adysjnwhiteh: just make a wood version
11:47.53jnwhitehthey're unreliable.
11:47.57Xinhuani think you can get away with using less P-rails, like 1 per 30 or 35 even
11:47.58jnwhitehthey're 'mostly' reliable.
11:47.59Adysnot you
11:48.01Adysthem
11:48.05Adysthey should just make a wood version
11:48.06jnwhitehah, fair.
11:48.06airtonixhoho
11:48.06Xinhuanbut we don't know how much slower that will cause travel time to be
11:48.07jnwhitehyeah
11:48.09jnwhitehthat would make much more sense
11:48.18Xinhuanbut i can tell you the maximum distance you can space out is 64
11:48.20Adysthat was another disappointment
11:48.25Xinhuanyou need at least 1 per 64
11:48.32Xinhuanor the cart will stop
11:48.48Adyshave you tried an 1-32 setup?
11:48.49jnwhitehthen it just comes down to how fast you want it
11:48.51Xinhuan(and it would take about 1 minute for the cart to reach the next P)
11:49.00Xinhuanpersonally no, but i've seen a video
11:49.01jnwhitehAdys: you can login to our test server
11:49.07Adysyeah omw
11:49.08jnwhitehperfectly flat, will give you ops
11:49.13Adysaddy?
11:49.16airtonixgogo
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11:57.42Xinhuantechnically, you can detect manned/unmanned carts
11:58.03Xinhuanby using an unpowered P-rail to first break the cart on a slope
11:58.10Xinhuanthen using a delay circuit to power it back on
11:58.23Xinhuanso it starts moving from rest downslope
11:58.43Xinhuanthe manned cart would travel faster than the unmanned one
11:58.52Xinhuanso you could position 2 detector rails
11:59.12Xinhuanand make some circuitry to determine how fast the 2nd one got detected in relation to the first
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12:29.42jnwhitehAdys: lol
12:29.49Adyshm?
12:30.51jnwhitehthat was just amusing :P
12:30.53jnwhitehi had to run
12:30.54Adyslol
12:30.57jnwhitehofficemates were comign back in
12:31.00jnwhitehand I should be getting back to work
12:31.03Adysyou should come back online. :P
12:31.08jnwhitehlol
12:31.30Fiskerslaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout
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12:32.35jnwhitehAdys: had an extra 'd'
12:32.37jnwhitehfixed now
12:32.37jnwhiteh<PROTECTED>
12:32.45Adysim the one with the extra d's
12:32.57Fiskerjnwhiteh
12:36.45Adysah
12:36.49Adys1.5_01 is out
12:38.21AdysApr 19 04:53:09 <Adys> I'm going to say... hmm, he's going to release mc 1.5 early morning, around 10-11am
12:38.21AdysApr 19 04:53:15 <Adys> have it half rushed, forget something big
12:38.21AdysApr 19 04:53:32 <Adys> and 1.5_01 will be released by thursday
12:38.23Adyswins
12:38.27jnwhiteh=)
12:38.30jnwhitehlet me update the server
12:38.53jnwhitehdone
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12:43.47mitch0chrome is not as good as the fanboys say
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12:45.19bluspacecowlolz
12:45.29bluspacecowminecraft 1.5_01 out already
12:45.36bluspacecowbut with no patch notes /sadness
12:45.43Adysbluspacecow: see above
12:45.49Lopeppeppystill with crash bugs, I hear.
12:46.14bluspacecow@adys if you are refering to a chat history sir i've only just joined the room after arriving home from work
12:46.19Adyswoops
12:46.27Adysbluspacecow: http://dpaste.com/533920/
12:46.29bluspacecowlast message i got was mitch0 going on about chrome fanboys
12:46.31bluspacecowty!
12:47.32airtonix:<
12:47.34airtonixso awesome
12:47.50airtonixcan't climb ladders that are more than 1 block high
12:47.55airtonix:<
12:48.09LopeppeppyIt's a challenge to your ingenuity!
12:48.18airtonixi'm mad
12:48.26airtonixi dug a hole and i can't get out
12:49.00Fiskerfill it
12:49.08airtonixi'll fill you
12:49.14Fiskeri filled your mom
12:49.24airtonixhow did that make you fill?
12:49.59Adysfillosophically challenged
12:50.20bluspacecow@adys is it thursday right now ? it is for me!
12:50.25airtonixfoofilled?
12:50.40Lopeppeppyblue-dear, it's only Windsday for many of us.
12:50.51airtonixyeah brosis
12:50.51Adysits wednesday yeah
12:50.58bluspacecowdid someone fart ?
12:51.03airtonixsee wut i did thar ^
12:51.06Fiskeri did bluspacecow
12:51.19bluspacecowpeepy said something about a windsday.
12:51.27airtonixhoho
12:52.29airtonixFisker: Sir, if I was you.... guess what?
12:52.42LopeppeppyWindsday is from Winnie the Pooh, you barbarian!  :P
12:52.52airtonixnot from seattle?
12:53.08airtonixor is that chicago?
12:53.43Fiskerthen what airtonix ?
12:53.47airtonixdid you know that after ww2 chicago was the largest population of czechs apart from prague?
12:54.08airtonixno wonder america started making cars worth giving a damn about
12:54.35Adysdid you know a raindrop can fall up to 9 meters per second?
12:54.49airtonixhow does that affect the price of eggs?
12:55.13Adysit doesn't, unless you live in a vacuum
12:55.31airtonixthen you wouldn't have eggs
12:55.39Adysyou wouldn't have raindrops either
12:55.41Adysyour point?
12:55.45LopeppeppyYou can find spider eggs in many vacuums.
12:55.45bluspacecow:(
12:55.47airtonixunless you had space suits for your hens
12:55.52bluspacecowit made my doggie forget me !
12:55.53bluspacecow:(
12:57.00Adysok
12:57.03Adyshere's a second bed
12:57.09Adys1.5_02 will be out in the next 3 hours
12:57.20airtonixi'm over minecraft already
12:57.24zenzelezzinteresting bed Adys
12:57.32Adysi know
12:57.34Adysi made it right now
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12:58.19AdysNew Bugs:
12:58.19AdysThe game will crash if a Mob is attacked with a sword.
12:58.28Adysmaybe make that two hours.
12:58.33bluspacecow|__________________________|  <---------adys bed
12:58.37bluspacecowlets all lie down in it
12:58.42bluspacecowexcept for peppy
12:58.47airtonixand me
12:58.48bluspacecowshes jumping on it.
12:58.53bluspacecowand fisker
12:58.55Adysshe's way ahead of you
12:58.59bluspacecowhes having a pillow fight
12:59.09bluspacecowwith a cloned copy of himself from the future
12:59.21LopeppeppyYou guys are weird.
12:59.33Adysyou're the one jumping on a bed made of underscores
12:59.52bluspacecowmost notably going weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at the same time.
13:00.01Adysthat is absolutely disgusting
13:00.07LopeppeppyWee wee wee all the way home.
13:00.43AdysDestroying snow will result in all connected snow/minecart tracks of that level to be destroyed, or if a block is placed on it.
13:00.43airtonixyou're the frenchman
13:00.47Adysare these bugs serious?
13:00.49Adysand im not french
13:01.06airtonixWe we\
13:01.25airtonixok Mervigonian
13:01.52airtonixi hate that new car smell Lopeppeppy...
13:02.11hasteAdys: does he even publish a changelog?
13:02.27airtonixhaste: wutz a changlawg?
13:02.41LopeppeppyOkay, so here's a weird question for you guys.  Is it appropriate to do errands after work with a dead body in the car?
13:02.50airtonixLopeppeppy: yes
13:03.00Adysno?
13:03.03airtonixit needs time to cure
13:03.13Adysit's unhealthy if you have unprotected fresh food
13:03.14airtonixand it's not going anywhere
13:03.25Adysbut apart from that it's not a real issue
13:03.38zenzelezzLopeppeppy: that's really up to you
13:03.40Adysas long as you get rid of it in due time
13:03.55airtonixand there isn't a zombie plague going around
13:04.01LopeppeppyNo food, I just need to stop at the pharmacy for my MEDS after I pick up my cat's ashes.  And something in my brain says it's not right to do errands with a cat in the car.  But it's not warm out, and I'll leave the window cracked...
13:04.05Lopeppeppyhas a broken brain!
13:04.24airtonixlulz
13:07.00LopeppeppyYeah, weird.  But such a serious question!
13:07.23bluspacecowof course not peppy
13:07.30bluspacecowyou need to put a zombie in the car
13:07.36bluspacecowfor the cat to eat if it gets hungry
13:07.38bluspacecowor peckish
13:08.28bluspacecowor to give it something to psych out
13:08.54bluspacecow*imagines kitty pointing at eyes then pointing at zombie*
13:09.06bluspacecow"i own your soul
13:09.18LopeppeppyKitty always wins.
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13:14.01FiskerLopeppeppy
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13:17.25LopeppeppyUnless you're available to babysit, Fisker?
13:18.18bluspacecowwhat adys
13:18.26bluspacecow"by thursday" you said
13:18.33bluspacecowyou sir win +23 internets
13:20.44Adys1.5_02 is out
13:20.45AdysI win
13:20.47Adys\o/
13:20.54Dagmar_02?  LOL
13:21.14jnwhitehAdys: server updated =)
13:21.17Adys[13:57:07] <Adys> 1.5_02 will be out in the next 3 hours
13:21.19DagmarCan't say I'm suprised.  There were a *lot* of new bugs
13:21.29Adysi really give these guys too much time
13:22.11bluspacecowadys is secretly their CEO
13:22.40Adysyou work on blizzard ptr/patches for 3 years you pick up a few skills
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13:23.32bluspacecowodd
13:23.40bluspacecowadys where is that info on 1.5_02
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13:23.56bluspacecowas i've wiped my bin folder twice and the main screen says _01
13:24.17Adysserver update
13:24.23bluspacecowah
13:24.33bluspacecowso client still at 1.5_01 ?
13:24.42Adysi guess, i dont know
13:25.38jnwhitehyou can connect to 1.5_02 with 1.5_01 client
13:25.40jnwhitehso i think so
13:25.42bluspacecowhttp://notch.tumblr.com/post/4771278428/portal-2-review
13:25.52bluspacecowtesting that theory !
13:25.52airtonixumad?
13:26.03bluspacecowwait
13:26.12bluspacecowcogheel updated yet ?
13:26.18bluspacecowadys is your server updated ?
13:26.24airtonix<bluspacecow> yes I'm quite mad.
13:26.25jnwhitehcog|work: cogwheel server is down
13:26.26Adysmy guild server? no
13:26.31jnwhitehi have an updated server if you want to play with things
13:26.32bluspacecowo
13:26.35jnwhitehbut I'm not sure that's useful.
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13:40.49WobinCairenn|afk: http://youtu.be/FLcUybAuwUs
13:42.40bluspacecowhttp://i.imgur.com/XL8NF.jpg
13:43.38zenzelezzhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/20/funny-pictures-the-worlds-most-epic-game/
13:44.04bluspacecowwhy
13:44.10bluspacecowi is having a herp derp moment
13:44.23bluspacecowwas is dark green in that html code ?
13:44.34Adysbluspacecow: yeah
13:44.34bluspacecow#FFFF
13:44.38bluspacecowno thats black
13:44.39bluspacecowi think
13:44.44Adysthats nothing
13:44.57Adysthats not a valid hexcode for html
13:45.06bluspacecowhexcode !
13:45.07bluspacecowthats it
13:45.15bluspacecowwtb hexcode for green
13:45.21Adys0f0
13:46.03Adysmaybe i should just do a fucking python port of the damn server
13:46.30jnwhitehAdys: there already is one
13:46.36Adysactual port? no
13:46.48jnwhitehno, but significant work in progress
13:46.52Adyslink ?
13:47.14jnwhitehhttp://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bravo
13:47.21jnwhitehand https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/Bravo
13:47.31Adysi know that guy
13:47.45Adysman the internet is sometimes too small :/
13:47.50jnwhitehheh
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13:54.26bluspacecowpeppy peppy peppy
13:54.31bluspacecowwhy do i find this funneh
13:54.32bluspacecowhttp://www.evo.hr/cat/
13:55.23Fiskerbluspacecow
13:55.24Fiskeri killed you
13:55.32bluspacecowX_X
13:55.48Ackishttp://www.bnet.com/blog/salesmachine/5-ways-to-secretly-manipulate-your-boss/15131?promo=713&tag=nl.e713
13:55.51jnwhitehAdys: let me know if you join him =)
13:55.52Fiskerexactly
13:55.54bluspacecowin Halflife 2 ?
13:55.55Ackishttp://www.livescience.com/13789-largest-fossil-spider-china.html
13:56.01Adysjnwhiteh: I am; already writing up a mail
13:56.17jnwhitehAdys: let me know if you join him =)
13:56.22jnwhiteherr.
13:56.25jnwhitehcool =)
13:56.32Adysthe keys are right next to each other
13:56.33jnwhitehit seems like its just fighting a losing battle tho =(
13:56.41jnwhitehsince all of the logic is in the server
13:56.44Adyspython vs java?
13:56.46jnwhitehso it'll always be playing catch-up
13:56.47jnwhitehoh no
13:56.47Adysyeah thats a lost battle all right
13:56.55jnwhitehjava is a terrible idea for the server =)
13:56.57bluspacecowhttp://us.battle.net:80/wow/en/forum/topic/2369924141?page=1#8
13:56.58Adys:D
13:57.02bluspacecowi hate explaining that concept
13:57.11jnwhitehIts just more that any competing server implementation is always going to be playing catch-up
13:57.11Adysyou'd be surprised how good I am at playing catchup
13:57.17jnwhiteh=)
13:57.23bluspacecowis it inheritance? cascading addon errors ?
13:57.24bluspacecowBRB
13:59.04Lopeppeppypretty spider, ackis.
13:59.43bluspacecowpeppy can i get you (or the usual monkeys) to check my logic on that thread
13:59.48bluspacecowimma go put out the trash !
14:00.18LopeppeppyIt flowed logically when I read it, bluspacecow, there weren't any huge OMGnesses.
14:06.29airtonix1. use visualbasic 2. ??? 3. profit
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14:08.19mitch0what's the max number of mailbox items?
14:09.15mitch0I'm buying out cloth from the remote ah, and someone put something like 200 cloth out there with a stack size of 1...
14:09.44airtonixit's a trap
14:10.45mitch0too late. I bought them all
14:10.58Xinhuanthere's no maximum known
14:11.02airtonixyour demise will be swift
14:11.04Xinhuanbut only the latest 50 are shown
14:11.09mitch0good
14:11.16Xinhuanwith a server-side update to you every 60 secs at best
14:11.40Xinhuanso at best, you can only open 3000 mails per hour
14:12.15mitch0hehe, I'd rather not open 3000 mails ;)
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14:12.41Xinhuancog|work, have you updated the server to 1.5_02?
14:12.45mitch0but I guess it's time to d/l some mail addon nonetheless, to collect all these cloths from my mailbox...
14:13.20mitch0xin: you have some mail mod, right?
14:13.27bluspacecowpostal
14:13.30bluspacecowis his
14:13.41mitch0is it any good? :)
14:13.46bluspacecowin joke ?
14:13.55Xinhuanlets just say its the most downloaded mail addon :P
14:14.16mitch0meh, pitbull is the most downloaded unit frames addon and yet... :P
14:14.26mitch0but I believe it's good ;)
14:14.26airtonixumadbro
14:14.27ZorbaBetaI rigged up a UI mod to help me with bulk disenchanting. you don't know mass production until you've disenchanted 2000 items in one day
14:14.33bluspacecowxin is only the server updated to 1.5_02
14:14.52Xinhuanwell 1.5_02 is a server-only update
14:15.03airtonixi'm mad
14:15.22airtonixmy moncraft world won't load
14:15.41bluspacecowma vmware xp VM is all up to date
14:15.43bluspacecow:)
14:15.55airtonixima kill you
14:16.02bluspacecow*hides*
14:18.03AckisAnyone have advice going from normal mode omnitron to heroic mode?
14:18.19airtonixuse visualbasic
14:18.20jokajakXinhuan: still making mods?
14:18.28Xinhuangenerally no
14:18.34AdysAckis: set the raid mode to "heroic"
14:18.40airtonixlol
14:18.43AckisXinhuan is busy making babies!
14:18.44ZorbaBetaackis, don't die
14:18.49Ackis~lart Adys
14:18.49purlhereby declares Adys a troll
14:18.51ZorbaBetaif you die, see my previous advice
14:18.51Xinhuansure Ackis, make the raid move along the middle line, up and down it
14:18.52Ackis~lart ZorbaBeta
14:18.52purlurinates on ZorbaBeta
14:18.54Adysdead on
14:18.57Xinhuanand nowhere else but along that line
14:25.59Adysnight
14:26.28LopeppeppyAnd the number thou shalt count shall be three...
14:30.52cog|workjnwhiteh: Xinhuan: bluspacecow: i'm awake now. it's updated.
14:30.59jnwhiteh<3
14:31.03jnwhitehi'm at work so not terribly concerned
14:31.05bluspacecowty cog
14:31.07jnwhitehbut thanks!
14:31.07Xinhuani'm testing on jnwhiteh's world some timings :P
14:31.10jnwhitehhopefully its more resilient
14:31.11bluspacecowi luffs you
14:31.23Xinhuanbut i need a stopwatch
14:31.25Xinhuanwhich i don't
14:31.33jnwhitehget one for your phone?
14:31.41Xinhuanis there one you can recommend?
14:31.43Xinhuaniphone
14:31.44Xinhuan:P
14:31.51jnwhitehno, I don't have an iphone
14:31.57jnwhitehbut I'm sure there are many
14:32.27Xinhuani guess i will just use a table analog clock
14:32.28bluspacecowi'm still trying to get a working minecraft install working in either vmware , virtual box or parallels :p
14:32.30LopeppeppyThanks for waking up, Cogwheel.  *hug*
14:32.34zenzelezzhttp://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2011/04/18/demotivational-posters-adobe-reader/
14:32.39Xinhuani'm not sure what your problem is bluspacecow
14:32.53Xinhuani play from work on a macbook, and from home on a desktop on win7
14:33.01Xinhuanand the thing autoupdates fine
14:33.04bluspacecowi trying to get a copy of the 1.5_01 bin folder for windows .... so i can play at work
14:33.10bluspacecowwork blocks the MC updater
14:33.23Xinhuanah
14:33.48Xinhuanyou probably just need the .jar
14:33.55bluspacecowtried vm ware but it seemed to have a mouse driver bug which continually spins you around when you move your toon
14:33.56Xinhuanwhich you can download off the MC website directly
14:34.06bluspacecowno i need the natives
14:34.20bluspacecowi have the .jar from /bin but not the natives to run on windows
14:34.55Xinhuancan't tunnel the updater connection?
14:35.00LopeppeppyThe natives are restless?
14:35.00bluspacecownah
14:35.12bluspacecowemail -> outlook server
14:35.19bluspacecowweb -> web marshall proxy server
14:35.24bluspacecowno other traffic possible afaik
14:35.31airtonixl2httptunnel
14:35.40bluspacecowi am unworthy
14:35.43bluspacecowtrain me!
14:35.48airtonixi will kill you
14:36.15airtonixreleases the creepers
14:36.31airtonixgod is great
14:37.59airtonixbluspacecow: creepers blew up my train system
14:38.06bluspacecow:(
14:38.16airtonixthere i was being awesome on my collider booster
14:38.21bluspacecowi hear rumors they have been upgraded
14:38.30airtonixand some noob was liek lawl BOOOMHEADSHOT
14:38.33bluspacecowif they get strike by lighting they get upgraded to T-9000's
14:40.33Xinhuanstupid tracks
14:40.38Xinhuandon't curve automatically
14:40.41Xinhuanwhen placed on snow
14:40.46Xinhuanso i have to break the snow first
14:41.28bluspacecowi keep having to do that building my tower
14:41.45Xinhuanthe latest patch allows you to build on snow directly
14:41.55bluspacecowoh rly ?
14:41.57bluspacecowty :)
14:42.07Xinhuanit works for rails too, but the rails don't auto bend the rails to follow the track when its done on snow
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14:44.37airtonixi couldn't place dirt on snow
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14:51.07Fiskerso
14:51.16Fiskeri somewhat hate cats at the moment
14:51.25Fiskerjnwhiteh still looking for a replacement nexus one?
14:51.38FiskerOnly slightly used and covered in cat pe
14:51.39jnwhitehI was never really looking for one
14:51.39Fiskerpee
14:51.41jnwhitehi just need to call HTC
14:51.45jnwhitehand have mine repaired.
14:51.55airtonixgood luck with that
14:52.02jnwhitehairtonix: ?
14:52.12airtonixi'm wishing you good luck
14:52.24jnwhiteh.. yes.. thank you.
14:52.26jnwhitehO.o
14:52.31Jamashglhf
14:52.46Fiskeranyway you don't want mine jnwhiteh ?
14:52.51jnwhitehno, thanks.
14:52.55Fiskeroh ok :(
14:53.02bluspacecowlolz @ latest launcher picture
14:53.04airtonixhe has good luck Fiskerhe doesn't need your cat piss
14:53.15JamashFisker: put it in the dishwasher
14:53.20Fiskergood idea Jamash
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14:54.06Jamashthe cat, I mean, the phone is irredeemable
14:54.18airtonixunless you give it to a homeless person
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14:54.45Jamashhomeless people get great signal
14:54.51bluspacecowhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/gldbx6dpjrvqflt/launcherpupplolz.jpg
14:54.54bluspacecowits a fisker mage !
14:56.51bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
14:57.09Jamashso, anyone interested in age of empires online?
14:58.13bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
14:58.15bluspacecow:(
14:58.42Jamashwat
14:58.43bluspacecowO_O
14:58.49bluspacecowhuman girl boobs are really large
14:58.49mitch0teh horrorz
15:01.33bluspacecowfelt like i got what what in the butt
15:02.25hastespeaking of music, I need to find something new
15:03.50StanzillaI need someone how has portal 2 but never played co-op before :p
15:04.29hasteI need portal 2 to work under Linux
15:04.45Stanzillago dual boot?
15:04.55hastenah
15:05.15hasteI'll just wait for someone to patch wine
15:06.41LopeppeppyI need a shrubbery.
15:09.02hastemikma: http://soundcloud.com/amon-tobin/sets/isam
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15:14.30Xinhuanjnwhiteh, Adys
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15:14.43alestaneI have 666 unread messages (because I'm not very good at deleting junk mail).
15:14.44Xinhuanso far i've tested 1P every 26 tracks, 30, 32, 34, and 36
15:14.47alestaneOh noes.
15:14.54Lopeppeppyhuggles alestane.
15:15.02alestaneYay hugs!
15:15.05jnwhitehXinhuan: k
15:15.13Xinhuanwhere "1P every 26 tracks" means, 1 powered rail followed by 25 normal rails
15:15.21Xinhuanso the distance travelled is 26 per loop
15:15.42Xinhuan26 tracks, 1 of which is P. Total distance = 520, 65 seconds, 8m/s
15:15.51Xinhuani basically took the time it took to do 20 laps
15:16.04Xinhuanso for 1P/26, the distance of 20 laps is 520 tiles
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15:16.11Lunessastation
15:16.13Xinhuanand that took 65 seconds
15:16.18Xinhuanwhich is 8m/s
15:16.26LopeppeppyStation, Lunessa dear.
15:16.27Xinhuan30 tracks, 1 of which is P. Total distance = 600, 77 seconds, 7.79m/s
15:16.27Xinhuan32 tracks, 1 of which is P. Total distance = 640, 90 seconds, 7.11 m/s
15:16.52Lunessathe proliferation of iOS devices in my office continues.
15:16.58Xinhuani also for the sake of it, counted the time taken to complete the 20-40th laps
15:17.15LopeppeppyWhat flavor do you have now, Lunessa?
15:17.22Xinhuanat 1P every 32, the 21-40th laps took 3 seconds longer than the first 20
15:17.29Xinhuanbelow that no noticable difference
15:17.40jnwhitehinteresting
15:17.42Xinhuangoing to do 28 now
15:18.08LunessaThe office replaced my blackberry with an iPhone4
15:19.42LunessaSo now I have an iPhone 3G (personal), iPad, and iPhone4, in addition to my iMac.
15:19.51LopeppeppyWhee, iPhone4 rocks it!
15:19.55Lopeppeppysquees happily.
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15:20.17LunessaIt's a little silly, especially since I ask for an Android based phone for testing/documentation purposes.
15:20.31LopeppeppyDamn, okay, that's silly.
15:21.32Xinhuan28 tracks, 1 of which is P. Total distance = 560, 71 seconds, 7.88 m/s
15:21.49Xinhuani'll re-verify 26
15:21.50LunessaApparently our contract with AT&T was a determining factor (price, and upgrades baked into the contract) but I'm shocked AT&T didn't want to give us a device over which they have more control.
15:22.20LopeppeppyI am once again forbidden from making major life decisions!  bwah-ha-ha!
15:22.33Xinhuani can only test even track counts btw, since a loop must have an even number of tiles :P
15:23.43jnwhitehfair =)
15:24.52Xinhuani recorded 64 seconds this time, which is roughly 8.1m/s
15:24.55Xinhuanmy previous was 65 seconds
15:24.59Xinhuanwhich is 8.00 exactly
15:25.01Xinhuanso heh
15:25.11Xinhuanmy margin of error is approx 1 second anyway
15:25.26Xinhuanso i'm going to post my conclusions
15:25.28alestaneWhat decisions are these, Peppy?
15:26.09LopeppeppyI should get a tattoo.
15:26.33alestaneSounds like you made that decision.
15:27.13alestaneAre you being prevented from making the decision to meet that obligation?
15:27.14LopeppeppyDon't nitpick me or I'll throw a vase at your head. *poke*
15:27.32LunessaWait, is this is a domestic squabble?
15:28.03alestanegoes through Peppy's hair for parasites.
15:28.05bluspacecow*sigh*
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15:28.31Xinhuanmy setup, jnwhiteh
15:28.38Xinhuanhttp://i.imgur.com/BPJAj.png
15:28.38Xinhuanhttp://i.imgur.com/1NPLG.png
15:28.44LopeppeppyHarumph.
15:28.52jnwhitehnice
15:29.01Xinhuanthe first shows the 1/26
15:29.07jnwhitehyou would be so bored with what i'm doing right now
15:29.20Xinhuanthe 2nd link shows the 1/30
15:29.28Xinhuanits just a simple loop
15:29.35Xinhuanand i count laps whenever i pass the redstone torch
15:30.31jnwhiteh*nod*
15:31.30bluspacecowhttp://us.battle.net:80/wow/en/forum/topic/2369741802?page=7#123
15:31.45bluspacecowit engineer yet continues to post the wrong information with teh wrong assumptions
15:32.04bluspacecowi could cut him off at the knees but it won't contribute anything to the thread really
15:32.19bluspacecowthink i'll leave this one to the blues
15:32.26jnwhitehheh
15:32.28jnwhitehindeed
15:32.47bluspacecowi would throw it to the regulars but they're dealing with version 8 of a really nasty root kit
15:32.59bluspacecowstuff that hides stuff that hides stuff that hides stuff that hides more stuff
15:33.07bluspacecowlike a set of those funny russian dolls !
15:33.51Corrodiasdamn
15:35.47bluspacecowbut i would really like to point out there is no SLA between you and blizzard
15:35.57bluspacecowthey don't even guarantee their servers will be up
15:36.09bluspacecowcan you connect to <any server> yes/no ?
15:36.18bluspacecowyes wahey our obligations fulfilled
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15:36.30bluspacecowsee the problem with these threads
15:36.37bluspacecowis people stop posting useful info
15:36.51bluspacecowthey stop posting traceroutes or resetting their modems or flushing the dns cache
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15:36.58bluspacecowand they just join in the capohancy of QQ
15:37.00Lunessabluspacecow: It's a matryoshka doll
15:37.06bluspacecowand _nothing_ useful gets done
15:38.58Ackisbluspacecow: can you tell me where teh "any" key is pls?
15:39.08bluspacecowyes i can!
15:39.11bluspacecowtake head!
15:39.14bluspacecowapply to keyboard
15:39.44Ackisand tbh the tech support/customer support forums are 100% pure shit
15:41.18LopeppeppyI'd love to give the QQ people a keyboard to the head.
15:41.30LunessaMost community support is filled with people who don't really understand the technology they're supporting.
15:41.49LunessaAnd they pass around bad advice like it was pure fucking gold
15:42.39bluspacecowi also hate when the CS reps come to TS and step on toes there
15:42.56LopeppeppyTry the standard fixes to see if it's your router first, don't assume it's the specific program.  Maybe, just maybe it's your ISP.  Or a network hub somewhere down.  Jebus Crackers people, get OVER blaming.
15:43.08Ackisblames Lopeppeppy
15:44.12alestaneYou still want http://www.rhpotter.com/tattoos/kitsuneascendant.html, Lopeppeppy?
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15:46.19bluspacecowthe thing that really gets me is the whole "if its not on my side / my ISP 's side it must be Blizzards side!" attitude
15:46.39Ackisit's always blizzard's fault
15:46.40bluspacecowthe internets is not one large pipe frm you to your destination with nothing inbetween !
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15:47.49Dagmarbluespacecow: If that guy knew even a tenth of what he *should* for having worked in IT for "20 years" he'd be able to tell you which network hop was inducing the latency
15:50.05LunessaThe internet, it's a series of tubes. And Mario is running around in there jacking shit up, yo.
15:51.01Corrodiasshould i tracert something? that sounds fun
15:51.01Lopeppeppyalestane, yes, or as similar to it as my girlfriend can get.
15:51.05DagmarApparently.
15:51.21LopeppeppyYo, Lunessa, eat a mushroom and chill.  :P
15:54.12alestaneBut you can't get it right now?
15:54.46LopeppeppyNoooo.
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16:03.00bluspacecow@dagmar thats what i want to post but in the past when i've posted that they can all shirty at me as i'm an MVP so should be better at customer service blah blah blah
16:03.44LopeppeppyBite me!  I'm an MVP, I have bigger teeths, rawr!  :)
16:03.50Corrodiasi could ping google for you. would that help? :D
16:04.18DagmarOh you don't have to call him out.  I'm just saying he's full of crap about being sure it's not on his end
16:04.23bluspacecow*facepalm*
16:04.38bluspacecowthe guy linked to the TPG forums
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16:04.57bluspacecowwhere he links someone speculating it was at blizzards end by the time outs as proof it was on blizzards side
16:05.29Corrodiasyou can quote me as proof that it's because his router has a hole in it and is leaking packets
16:05.49Corrodiasi am a router repair expert, 20 years experience
16:06.00LopeppeppyHe should shake the cord to get out the loose packets.
16:06.36bluspacecowi saw another user in that TPG forum get asked to do a traceroute to his realm server
16:06.43bluspacecowso he does one to runesofmagic.com.au
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16:08.16bluspacecow"Minecarts dont stop but keep going if you log out of world"
16:08.27bluspacecowthats why i got lost first time on my own in cogwheels server
16:08.52bluspacecow*accidental log out* *booster railcart stops in middle of ass fuck nowhere*
16:10.00DagmarWHat you should do is post a phony thread talking about mysterious frame rate choppiness.
16:10.20Dagmar...see how many people suddenly manifest the same problem since the maintenance
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16:12.28Xinhuanjnwhiteh, bluspacecow, Adys: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=295030&p=4136804#p4136804
16:12.33XinhuanDagmar too if you're interested
16:12.39Xinhuanposted my analysis
16:12.45bluspacecownice
16:13.10DagmarXinhuan: That was helpful
16:13.22DagmarI was messing with rails last ngith and completely forgot about the known bugs with sensor rails
16:13.31Dagmar...took down the MP server I play on.  (doh!)
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16:16.58Xinhuanso one full stack of gold ingots can power a track for a distance of 1560 tiles
16:17.09Xinhuan60*26 = 1560
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16:17.33Xinhuanand using the first 4 powered rails for the launcher
16:18.26bluspacecowRiding in a minecart from the south into a corner going from north to west (so it's not connected to the current track) will crash the game. Possibly also true for other directions, yet if you're going in the same corner coming from the east, it will work as usual.
16:18.28bluspacecowlolz
16:18.32bluspacecowSW rule lolz
16:18.54bluspacecowwait
16:19.09bluspacecowhow you tell N, S , E . W in minecraft anyway *lost*
16:19.29LopeppeppyNorth is up?
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16:20.27Xinhuanclouds always fly north
16:20.36Xinhuansun/moon always rises from the east
16:20.52Xinhuanand if you're underground, you can place a cobblestone block, look at its top surface
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16:21.01Xinhuanand look for the "L" black pixels
16:21.06Xinhuanthe top points towards the north
16:21.16Xinhuantop of the L pixels that is
16:21.51Xinhuani'm sorry, you can't unsee what you see, you're going to see Ls everywhere now, on all mossstone, cobblestone, and more
16:24.47LopeppeppyAnd Lunessa's... nevermind....
16:25.06LunessaHow YOU doin'?
16:25.29LopeppeppyRawr, baby.
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16:33.20alestaneCadbury Creme Eggs. SO GOOD.
16:34.33LopeppeppyCadbury Mini Eggs.  The addictive work of the devil.
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16:37.20alestaneA very tasty devil.
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16:41.31Ackisburps on Torhal|work
16:42.52LopeppeppyEew.
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17:04.42bluspacecow*licks it off*
17:06.09alestaneOkay, I don't know what is wrong with y'all this afternoon.
17:06.14alestaneI'm going over there now.
17:08.23bluspacecowover where ?
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17:13.04LopeppeppyNear me mabye.  Except I'm cranky.
17:13.29Ackishow do you lick a burp?
17:14.39DagmarI'm sure we can find ya a YouTube video
17:15.29zenzelezzsounds like something out of Japan
17:16.28LopeppeppyOnce I was the King of Spain.
17:17.48DagmarWell, now you can be a pope: http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/popecard.html
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17:30.10alcarasAnyone know the api function to leave a battleground queue? I have JoinBattlefield(index) for joinning, but I can't figure how to leave an existing queue (not a bg)
17:41.04alestaneuncranks Lopeppeppy.
17:42.26alestanehttp://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-27089.html This can only end poorly.
17:42.29Lunessaalcaras: Your best bet is to look at the default ui and see what they call when you click the "leave queue" button.
17:42.48alcarasLunessa: good idea, ty
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17:43.04alcaraswhat's there a site that had a browsable wow ui online?
17:43.20alestane~FrameXML
17:43.20purlsomebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml
17:43.26alcarasdanke!
17:44.20Lopeppeppy~wowprogramming
17:44.20purlwell, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
17:45.59mikmaAvailable: 21 April 2011
17:46.00mikmaThis game will unlock in approximately 5 hours
17:46.00mikmawoot
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17:46.37alcarashmm
17:46.46alcarasso apparently AcceptBattlefieldPort(1, nil) is how you _leave_
17:46.57alcarasthat's bad becasue AcceptBattlefieldPort requires hardware input :(
17:47.07alcarasi am trying to write an automatic requeuing addon
17:47.17Fiskerwut mikma ?
17:47.37mikmafisker: http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/44340/
17:47.47Fiskeroh
17:48.17Fiskeri don't like operation flashpoint :(
17:48.37Ackislol alestane... firefox cookies om nom nom nom
17:49.40mikmafisker: i dig them. more than you!
17:49.56Lunessawell, apparently Blizzard doesn't want that to happen without user input, so ... there you have it.
17:50.26alcarasyeah, alas
17:50.28alcarasty though
17:50.30Fiskeri just thought it was portal related mikma
17:50.59Fiskerwho cares anyway Lunessa ?
17:51.20Fiskertake 1 second in VB to code a gui that accepts battleground invites
17:51.23Fiskertakes*
17:51.33Fiskerheck i once made a GUI to track the killers ip
17:51.46mikmato kill a man?
17:51.56alcarasFisker: no, it's a hardware event to leave the queue
17:52.03alcarassince the same function that joins a battle leaves the queue
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17:52.32alcarasi'm attemping to write an addon to automatically requeue after X minutes becasue bg queues are terrible
17:52.35Fiskerand if the function requires hardware input then both leaving and joining the queue requires hardware input, no?
17:52.43alcarasjoining the queue doesn't
17:52.45alcarasJoinBattlefield
17:52.48alcarasis not hardward protected
17:53.20Fiskeroh i meant entering the actual battleground :P
17:53.34Fiskeror i'm not sure anymore
17:53.35Fiskerbam
17:53.45Fiskereither way i don't see the point
17:54.37alcarasThe point is to work around Blizzard's buggy queues
17:54.43alcarassince you can sit in a bg queue for 30m and not pop
17:55.16Lunessaand somehow exiting and rejoining the queue is a solution to being impatient?
17:55.17Fiskeri'm not talking about your addon
17:55.31Fiskeri'm talking about blizzard requiring hardware input on those functions
17:56.09alcarasah
17:56.13alcarasLunessa: yes
17:56.23alcarasLunessa: if you leave and rejoin, you'll get in after a minute
17:56.31alcarasLunessa: it's really dumb -- leave/rejoin is faster than waiting out the queue
17:56.49Lunessathat sounds ... unlikely to based on anything other than perception bias.
17:57.24alcarasLunessa: nope, quite testable
17:57.33LopeppeppyEven if there is an authentic bug, it won't last forever - why program around something that will be fixed?
17:58.09Fiskerbecause otherwise it doesn't get fixed!
17:58.31alcaras^
17:58.42LopeppeppyFisker, stop "helping".
17:58.45Lunessaagain, I say it sounds like perception bias and question the methodology used to 'confirm' the 'bug' - and if it were a real bug I
17:58.58LunessaI'm pretty sure Blizzard would have said something about it by now.
17:59.01Lopeppeppyalcaras, why not spend your time documenting the bug and sending that info to Blizzard so it *does* get fixed?
17:59.15alcarasLopeppeppy: there's already a 100 page thread on the forums about it
17:59.25alcarasLopeppeppy: since 4.0
17:59.27alcarashasn't been fixed
17:59.45Fiskerthere's been lots of borderline exploits which have been happily ignored until it reaches critical mass as some kind of addon
17:59.46alcarashttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1965842282
17:59.56alcarasone of many
18:00.51LopeppeppySome of the anecdotes I've read in the first page are interesting.  But I do have to wonder if it's just people frustrated at the queues working as intended.
18:01.05alcarashttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1965842282
18:01.18alcaras"We are looking into this. I understand this is very frustrating and I'm sorry that I don't have any more information. I will let you know as soon as I have something to report." - March 22
18:01.48alcaras"A fix has been created, we are currently testing it on the 4.1 PTR."
18:01.52alcaras- April 11
18:01.57alcarashrm, so i guess they' refinally fixing it
18:02.12alcaraswelp, you inspired me to check the blue posts
18:02.22alcarasin any case, the addon has been a fun learning exercise
18:02.23LopeppeppyThere you go.  Now go test on the PTR and help 'em out!
18:02.35alcaras"The fix was a success and will be applied in an upcoming patch. Thanks for all your reports and patience." - Yesterday
18:02.56LopeppeppyThere ya go.
18:02.57alcarashopefully that'll be in 4.1 and not 4.2
18:03.01alcaras"upcoming patch" is worrisome
18:03.56LopeppeppyThey can't promise which one, they fill those up far in advance.  But at least it's in the hopper to be added to one.
18:04.12alcarasaye
18:04.33alcarasso my mod will have a short lifetime :)
18:04.39alcarashopefully a week of 4.1 comes out tuesday
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18:05.03alcarasdanke, however
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18:05.59bluspacecowwinding down for sleeps times
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18:07.25mads-Can I with an addon read stuff from an online XML file? or how does certain addons check whether or not an update is out for them?
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18:08.50foxlitno.
18:08.52foxlitand they don't.
18:08.56LunessaAddOns cannot interact outside the sandboxed environment.
18:09.00foxlitAlso, horrible idea.
18:09.14foxlit</overkill>
18:09.29LunessaThose messages you get from DBM or what-have-you are because someone in your raid has a newer version than you.
18:09.33foxlitYou can have your addon send a message broadcasting its version out to the world, but meh
18:09.33LopeppeppyAddons talk across the addon channel, and if they see that they are older than another version of themselves, they will tell you (that's how I understand that feature works)
18:09.41LunessaAnd all your copies are telling each other there's a new one.
18:10.22mads-Is there any way I can retrieve data from outside the sandboxed environment?
18:10.45LunessaAt application launch, you can load data from your saved variables.
18:10.46foxlitit woudn't be a sandboxed environment then.
18:10.52LunessaAnd that's it.
18:11.38mads-thanks for your time :)
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18:23.48Fiskersure is
18:23.56Fiskerjust use the clock
18:24.20mikmahttp://mikma.eu/mining/Huittinen_20.4.2011_3000kg_nonel.avi
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18:24.50LopeppeppyCogwheel, new recipe for you!  https://sites.google.com/site/sprinkleprints/coffee-on-a-stick
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18:27.00alestaneAh, gods bright and dark, save me from the Business TLAs.
18:28.54LopeppeppySave me from 4/20 celebrations.
18:29.05Ackissave me from irc!
18:29.07Ackishalp!
18:29.18AckisIMO FLA > TLA btw
18:31.18Lopeppeppywhat about TNA?
18:31.41alestaneThree-Number Acronyms?
18:31.49alestaneAh. No.
18:32.01alestaneT'n'A?
18:33.27Lopeppeppy*blink blink innocence*
18:35.36alestanePeppy would never suggest such a thing.
18:36.04alestaneShame on me for even thinking it.
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18:39.50alestaneI'm doing up schedule signs for this guy's conference...starting to drown in "ERP" and "CRM" and "KPI".
18:40.07Ackisis it wrong that I know what those mean? :(
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18:43.00alestaneWrong? Not exactly. It does suggest that you may need to be re-shriven.
18:43.06LopeppeppyCRM - community relations manager?  KPI - key product index or indicator
18:43.43alestaneCustomer Relations Management and Key Performance Indicator in this case.
18:44.27alestaneAnd Enterprise Resources Program.
18:45.03nevcairielheh, i wrote a web app some time ago that calculated some KPI from some raw data given, and all that time i wondered wth KPI meant (it was never spelled out), and now i find out!
18:46.56Fiskeryou mean hitler Lopeppeppy ?
18:47.18mikmacog|work: hey cog, do you has 1.5_02 server only update?
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18:47.47DagmarYou can always find out by putting a sensor rail next to, well.. pretty much anything
18:47.54cog|workmikma: did you notice the server isn't crashed?
18:47.56cog|work;)
18:48.21DagmarI was unimpressed by the power level of the "powered" rails
18:48.56DagmarIt's cheaper by far to just do a normal booster run
18:49.06mikmacog|work: nega
18:49.20mikmacog|work: http://mikma.eu/mining/Huittinen_20.4.2011_3000kg_nonel.avi <- kablammo!
18:49.42FiskerAckis
18:49.45Fiskeri r pwning n00bs
18:49.46Fiskerhttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1991900243?page=1#15
18:50.06DagmarSeems like they're best suited for use as something to hold a cart in place on a slope while you get in it, so you can then push a button to start the cart on it's way towards the actually-effective booster
18:50.27Fiskerin b4 the person actually deletes his cache and shuts up about it due to massive embarassment
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18:56.12Lunessathis is lulz - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctY8ntGx_M
18:58.07Ackisrofl
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19:07.35Ackishmmm I never see guys wearing engagement rings
19:08.04alestaneNot historically the custom.
19:08.17AckisI want to wear a ring though
19:08.32alestaneNo reason you can't.
19:08.42Lunessado it Ackis, be a trend setter.
19:08.44zenzelezzif we could get away with it, we wouldn't even give women the ring
19:08.47alestaneMy wife and I wore matching rings while we were engaged.
19:08.59zenzelezz"hey, here, wear this for a few months then... do whatever with it... nevermind the money"
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19:09.39alestaneSupposedly, the engagement ring is supposed to be comparable in value to so many months of the groom's earnings.
19:09.50Dagmarjust consider it a downpayment on a permanently devaluating liability
19:09.54LunessaSo, those of you who already have an iPhone 4 - what case do you suggest?
19:10.13AckisI just want to be able to say she put a ring on it
19:10.23alestaneThat way, it's proof that the wife will be provided for for a little while if something happens to him. Primitive life insurance policy.
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19:10.48zenzelezzLunessa: case? If you're going to cover it up then the whole reason for getting a 4 instead of a 3GS seems moot
19:10.58zenzelezzthe 4 finally looked like a real phone
19:11.12Lunessazenzelezz: I want something to protect the device from my clumsy fingers.
19:11.17alestaneI use a little bumper thing from Body Glove that I'm pretty happy with.
19:11.49alestaneLeaves the face, top and bottom clear, provides grip and insulates against falls.
19:12.27LopeppeppyI have a rubber body glove too, works pretty nice for most accidental drops and cat-swipes.
19:13.06LopeppeppyI got it at WalMart, can't remember a brand.
19:13.42LopeppeppyOtterBox makes kickass stuff, correspondingly expensive.
19:13.54FiskerLopeppeppy
19:14.43LopeppeppyIt's basically this, but not this brand or this color (by far not this color!!) http://www.amazon.com/Speck-Products-PixelSkin-Case-iPhone/dp/B003TO53WE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1303326854&sr=8-4
19:15.28Fiskeri'm bored
19:17.24Ackisaww my buddy became a daddy
19:17.34Lopeppeppyawww
19:17.40LopeppeppySpawning more overlords.
19:19.49LunessaI'll have to check those out later today.
19:21.45LopeppeppyThere's lots of inexpensive silicone cases for the iphones, just enough to pad the edges from breakage.
19:24.17AckisFisker: since you're bored wanna make babies?
19:24.21Ackis500 of them?
19:24.32Jelly__That sounds hot.
19:24.40Fiskersure Ackis
19:24.45durcynfisker's prohibited from reproducing by the geneva convention
19:24.46Ackisyou jelly Jelly__?
19:24.57Jelly__Yes
19:24.58Fiskerthat would be a fun guiness world record
19:25.18Fisker"Amount of offspring born in a day"
19:25.22LopeppeppyScary, Jelly-dear.
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19:28.08Ackislol
19:28.43Lopeppeppyeew
19:28.49Lopeppeppynasty
19:29.44mikmafisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_herpderp.jpg
19:32.43FiskerEROR
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19:34.10sylvanaar_workgood morning
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19:39.14Arrowmasterhttp://kotaku.com/#!5793976/american-mcgees-alice-returns-in-time-for-alice-madness-returns
19:39.17Arrowmastersweet
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19:58.35Fiskerheys Arrowmaster
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20:10.45Cidehi Shirik
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20:16.02FiskerCide
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20:56.13jnwhitehhrm
20:56.18jnwhitehso my first game of LFD2.
20:56.37jnwhitehTwo of them vote to kick me, and then shoot me until I'm dead when it doesn't pass.
20:56.43jnwhitehcharming.
20:57.54Ackisshoots jnwhiteh
20:58.45zenzelezzjnwhiteh: so... they left you for dead?
20:58.55jnwhitehyou could say that =)
21:00.18Fiskeroh snap
21:00.26FiskerI'm gonna go with Left2Die though
21:00.34Fiskerinstead of Left4Dead
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21:22.06Fiskerckknight
21:22.15FiskerDUN DUN DUN.
21:22.15ckknightFisker
21:23.00Fiskeromg
21:51.14Computerpunkhttp://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/memes-go-fish.jpg
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21:59.44ComputerpunkLOOOOOOOOOOOL
22:05.10Cairenn|afkmikma: ewww!
22:06.28Cairenn|afkWobin: awwww
22:06.55Stanzillastill looking for someone who has portal 2 but not yet played co-op
22:07.00Stanzilla:(
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22:19.54A-KOhttp://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/04/19/baltimore-midwife-charged-in-va-with-manslaughter/ < dumb people are dumb
22:23.13Cairenn|afkWobin, mikma:  http://dogs.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/19/funny-dog-pictures-kitty-dog-friends-love/
22:23.15Cairenn|afkhttp://dogs.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/19/cute-puppy-pictures-cyoot-puppeh-ob-teh-day-beagle-nap/
22:25.54ckknightA-KO: if she's 43 and having a baby and mistakenly "cares" enough to have a midwife instead of going to a professional institution, you know that's the first child. The loss of it would be devastating since there's no second chances. Regardless, she's an idiot for not doing it in the hospital.
22:26.34AmarandeHeya Cairenn :)
22:26.42Cairennhi Amarande :)
22:27.23Amarandehow goes?
22:27.36Cairennnot bad, you?
22:27.46Amarandepretty good
22:27.51Amarande4.1 patch notes are making me want to give WoW another go
22:28.13Amarandethough I'll likely stick with my Alliance characters this time :S
22:28.16Cairenn:)
22:28.50ckknightroll horde, Amarande
22:28.54ckknightout of spite
22:29.04Amarandeckknight: I have horde characters
22:29.16Amarandehowever, Turalyon is a fairly hardcore server, and I don't feel hardcore raidy these days like I did during Icecrown
22:29.33Stanzillawow is so boring at the moment, I might quit :(
22:29.41Amarandealso, I don't care to find out if DPS DKs still get votekicked after the first 10 or 15 minutes every PUG like they did back in 4.0.3a
22:29.44ckknightStanzilla: I haven't played in about a month now.
22:29.54Stanzillackknight: and you dont miss it, right?
22:30.04Corrodiasi know i don't
22:30.10Amarande(apparently, this problem was shared by pretty much *all* melee DPS apart from rogues and maybe enhance shamans, but my only high level MDPS was a DK, so I didn't see the rest firsthand)
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22:33.05Amarandebtw. anyone know if faction transfer still has any bugs related to Northrend Loremaster?
22:33.37AmarandeI remember it was once the case that faction transfer could actually permanently screw you out of Northrend Loremaster, pretty much, if you did it with the wrong quest chains progressed to the wrong points
22:37.12ckknightStanzilla: I don't.
22:37.21ckknightStanzilla: I really, really don't.
22:37.42Stanzillackknight: I skipped raids this week because of portal 2 and I don't regret it :p
22:37.55foxlitraids?
22:38.07Stanzillayes?
22:38.15ckknightwe moved offices a month ago and since then I just haven't cared to get back home in time to do raiding
22:38.18foxlitI'm more complaining about the plural :)
22:38.25ckknightwhy stress myself out so much when others weren't pulling the same weight as me?
22:38.26Stanzillaoh
22:38.33Stanzillayeah
22:38.36ckknightI wasn't really getting upgrades any more, and progress was stagnant
22:38.43Stanzillaand I got all the crap jobs in the guild, dkp, website etc
22:38.45ckknightand even when there was progress, I had to ask myself: why?
22:38.53Amarandeyeah, is raiding really worth the trouble?
22:39.01Stanzillawe finished content months ago
22:39.03AmarandeI suppose there's the super hardcore who basically need it to enjoy the game
22:39.04foxlitAmarande: no. Stay away.
22:39.08Stanzillaso it's farming only and that is even more boring
22:39.18Amarandebut ... it seems like it easily takes all the fun out of the game and replaces it with making it like a second job
22:39.50ckknightAmarande: what do you do if you don't raid, though?
22:39.57ckknightif you're at lvl 85 and completed all the cata quests
22:39.57Amarandeespecially with the cost of everything on the AH on some servers, meaning you have to spend the REST of the week glued to dailies to farm all the gold you need ...
22:40.04Amarandeyeah, that's really the problem
22:40.14foxlit"need"
22:40.17Amarandethere isn't much alternative to raiding, and PvP demands perhaps an even higher calibre
22:40.21foxlit"need" to buy the gear for the content you don't do.
22:41.05Amarandefoxlit: I was speaking from the raider's perspective. Late during WotLK, AH prices were reasonable, except for the 20k or so worth of gear you pretty much had to buy to be considered competitively geared for ICC
22:41.26Amarandebefore I went on my current hiatus from WoW, on Turalyon it was something like four digits a week just for CONSUMABLES.
22:41.35Amarandeand recommended meta gems were 2.5k+
22:42.02Amarandebut anyway, even just consumables, I think it was something like 300+g for a single Cata flask
22:42.34Amarandeand seeing as flasks only last an hour now, so you usually need four or five for just one night's raiding
22:42.59Stanzillanah, cauldrons help
22:43.41foxlitDon't need flasks to raid, common misconception.
22:44.09Amarandefoxlit: maybe you didn't need them in normal modes in LK. :)
22:45.38Amarandein BC/Cata level difficulty raids, RLs tend to "strongly encourage" the use of flasks
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22:45.55foxlitAmarande: I didn't think you were playing the game?
22:46.04Amarandefoxlit: Currently, I don't.
22:46.12AmarandeI'm looking at the 4.1 patch notes and pondering resubscribing.
22:47.12foxlitLuckily you're on a different continent <3
22:48.11foxlitI'm sorry, I'm probably being overly hostile. My perception is that you whine too much about the game you aren't playing. Most of your problems seem irrelevant in my experience.
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22:51.14Amarandefoxlit: heh, actually, I did predict that Cata's emphasis on higher 5-man dungeon difficulty would lead to the return of virulent classism, and during 4.0.3a, I was right.
22:51.41kraftmanis there a way to get the names of talents of other classes that arent the player class?
22:51.53foxlitI haven't seen anything you describe in any Cataclysm random heroic since the launch.
22:51.53Cideyou are such a hero, Amarande
22:51.57foxlitNot. one. case.
22:52.05Cidewhat foxlit said
22:52.14Amarandeand, mind you. it's not difficulty that bothers me. hell, one of my favourite series ever is Shin Megami Tensei, which is well known for being hard.
22:52.29Cidewhat do you mean by virulent classism specifically?
22:52.59AmarandeCide: particularly, the fact that the vote kick feature was abused in order to remove classes with limited CC solely in order to get a shot at a replacement of a more favourable class
22:53.09Cidenever seen that happen even once
22:53.33Cideand this is from a priest with one form of unreliable CC
22:53.49Amarandeit was a common complaint on the forums, and, in fact, when I finally hit 329 ilvl and tried to bring my frost DK into her first random heroic, as soon as the initial timer that prevents immediate kicking expired, I was votekicked
22:54.05Cidemaybe it was because you were doing awful dps
22:54.11Amarandeand we're not taking some noob who doesn't know how to play their class, I was 10/12 hardmodes in ICC10
22:54.21Cide329 is a minimum, not a recommended item level
22:54.51Cideyou can't bring a tank or healer in with 329 and expect to have an easy or even doable time
22:54.57foxlitThe much meaner option is "maybe you were being unbearable"
22:55.10Cidethat can't be it
22:55.22Amarandewell, there *is* the fact that frost DKs were never quite able to do their maximum DPS in a lot of heroics in Cata
22:55.55Amarandebecause skill changes meant that Howling Blast is proper rotation and Icy Touch should almost never be used, but you could barely ever use HB in heroics in 4.0.3a because of the need to avoid breaking CC
22:56.12Cidesince when do you have CC in the group_
22:56.13Cide?
22:56.30AmarandeCide: I haven't played since before 4.0.6, in 4.0.3a it was pretty much a must to get through trash in heroics in one piece
22:56.39Cidelet me rephrase
22:56.43Amarandeespecially bastards like those temple adepts in ... which Uldum dungeon was that, VP I think?
22:56.48Cidesince when do you keep CC'd mobs among the mbos you're fighting
22:56.53Cidemobs
22:56.58AmarandeCide: in bad PUGs, often
22:57.25AmarandeIt was tolerable in guild groups, but I didn't really have the time to do heroics for hours at a time often enough to do those much
22:57.33Cideyou can't generalize the most stupid idea ever and claim that frost DK's were gimped because of it
22:57.56Amarandehowever, it *was* the case that plate DPS was votekicked unusually often, without any apparent common factor besides being plate DPS
22:58.10CideCidan: never seen that happen
22:58.28Amarandemaybe it was our battlegroup, then
22:58.35Amarandeafter all, my Horde server was on the battlegroup with Fail'ganis
22:59.03Amarandeand one thing one DOES notice is that people are quite often lemmings with votekick, and usually click Yes practically automatically
22:59.53Cidewith such a large sample of people I doubt there's a large disparity between battlegroups
22:59.54Amarandein any case
23:00.04AmarandeThe PUG environment in Cata was generally considerably more disagreeable than it was in LK
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23:00.22Cideonly because it isn't facerollable without epics
23:00.59Amarandeyou know, maybe it's actually the readiness with which epics are available in each expansion, then.
23:01.01Cideit is slightly easier to finish heroics in pugs now that you get 20% hp/mana/healing/damage or however much
23:01.13Amarandesince LK heroics actually weren't particularly easy in the beginning, either
23:01.38AmarandeI remember when there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in places like Halls of Stone back in the early T7 days
23:01.59AmarandeMy warlock actually never managed to finish that dungeon until 3.3.
23:02.18Amarande(Though, granted, I spent most of 3.1 and 3.2 unsubscribed.)
23:02.35alestaneWell. Vietnamese stir-fry beef clears the sinuses nicely.
23:02.47AmarandeNice. :)
23:02.49AmarandeSpicy food FTW.
23:03.09AmarandeCide: wait what, they raised the luck of the draw buff to 20%??
23:03.41Cideit depends on how many people you queue with
23:03.51Cidebut it may just be up to 15%, I don't really watch for it
23:03.58DWSRFisker.
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23:04.13DWSRCide: It's 5% per person who you didn't join the queue with.
23:04.24CideI'm aware
23:04.25Cairenndecides to take part of the evening off, later all
23:04.27Cidesee above
23:04.30Cidelater Cairenn|afk
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23:05.07DWSRCide: Yeah, but it'll go up to 20%.
23:05.09DWSRIs more my point.
23:05.41AmarandeWow.
23:05.57AmarandeThat must have been in 4.0.6, though I'm not seeming to find it in the patch notes.
23:06.05alestaneI *think* that when they announced that it wasn't working in most Cata dungeons until 4.0.6 or so, they said it was 5% per random person, up to 15%.
23:06.47alestaneGhostcrawler had a blog about it.
23:06.58DWSRThey announced it wasn't working
23:07.00DWSRThen changed it.
23:07.09DWSRIt wasn't 4.0.6
23:07.13DWSRIt was a mini patch
23:08.47Amarande4.0.6 looks like a definite step in the right direction, in any case.
23:09.05DWSRHeroics were too hard before that?
23:09.20AmarandeWell, it does seem that they've been making heroics easier, but also one key thing as well
23:10.00AmarandeGearing up in a reasonable period of time was a rather difficult thing as well in 4.0.3a, because there were so few Justice Points available outside of heroics (just the daily random, it looks like, unless you freeze at 70 or 80 to farm BC or LK heroics)
23:10.32Amarandewhich meant you were almost forced to, if you wanted to be geared for heroics or be able to get into raids in a reasonable period, farm and spend obscene amounts of gold on BoE gear
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23:11.14Amarandeespecially if you were a tank or healer, and thus expected generally to have a higher calibre of gear than DPS are typically held to by most groups
23:11.49DWSRerr...what?
23:11.57DWSRHeroics were stupidly easy, even in pre-heroic gear.
23:12.05DWSRand I was a tank.
23:12.21DWSRLonger, sure.
23:12.22AmarandeYou must have a better battlegroup than I.
23:12.27DWSRNot really.
23:12.34DWSRAlso, all battlegroups are linked in the same region.
23:12.43AmarandeStormstrike Horde PUGs were hell, so I pretty much could only do what guild groups I was home and logged on at the right time to play with
23:12.43DWSRIt wasn't about having a decent group
23:12.46DWSRIt was about pacing and control.
23:13.05DWSRAnd the tank popping CDs on trash
23:13.06DWSRAnd yeah.
23:13.07DWSRNo problems
23:13.29AmarandeEven with guild groups, I did notice that class composition actually DOES seem to have a lot more effect in Cata heroics, suggesting that Blizzard has retreated a little on "bring the player not the class"
23:13.55AmarandeWe had a guild group once who wiped the floor with Vortex Pinnacle heroic, and ... one of the others. Trying to remember which, but I can't off the top of my head
23:14.02AmarandeAnd yet, we couldn't beat the first boss in Stonecore heroic
23:14.19kraftmanis there a way to get the names of talents of other classes that arent the player class?
23:14.32alestaneI think it is possible to have bad group composition, but it rarely seems that there is one class that is crucial in any given situation.
23:14.50Ingelai remember being in greens and doing second boss as a priest healer in tolvir... without a poison dispeller that was pretty hard
23:15.02Ingelathat poison hit for tons
23:15.30AmarandeOur problem with Corborus was apparently that except for my Death and Decay, there was like literally *no* ranged AoE in the group
23:15.50Amarandeand on heroic, DnD doesn't do enough damage reliably to take out the shale spiders, so we were at a complete loss for getting them down in a reasonable time
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23:16.22AmarandeIngela: I've also noticed that Tol'vir gets a *lot* harder if you have multiple melee DPS
23:16.29Amarandeon the last boss, particularly
23:16.39Ingelaprobably true yea
23:16.57Ingelait's easymode now though just like everything else
23:17.14Amarandeyeah, because the healer is put under back-breaking strain due to the fact that the fight gets way longer
23:17.35Amarandesince melee DPS have to keep going the long way around everything due to Siamat (that was its name, right) tending to fill the entire middle of the battle area with green damage crap
23:18.16AmarandeI actually once suggested that Sub was the best spec for rogues intending to PUG frequently because of things like that.
23:18.28Amarandeback when heroics were hard, there was probably actually some merit to that.
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23:19.52DWSRHopefully ZA will challenge groups that have some raid gear.
23:20.03AmarandeDWSR: I hear they're bringing bear runs back, too
23:20.12DWSRDifferent bear, but yeah.
23:20.15DWSRAnyway, I gotta jet.
23:20.17DWSRJust remember.
23:20.23DWSRFor science!
23:24.14foxlitI'm disappointed they haven't released the song
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23:27.52AmarandeBTW, will ZA and ZG have higher gear bars than the initial heroics, or will 329'ers be finding themselves thrust into them too?
23:28.26Ingelahigher
23:28.28Ingelaafaik
23:28.31Ingelathink it was 346
23:29.57Amarandeah, so you get gear from the initial heroics and go to ZA/ZG then. seems about right. :)
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23:34.06Corrodiasoh, there are gear requirements now, too?
23:35.48Amarandelol, Corrodias, I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. :)
23:36.09Corrodiasnope
23:36.24Corrodiasi haven't really followed the news
23:38.09AmarandeEver since the dungeon finder was introduced in 3.3.0, there's been gear requirements to queue for particular dungeons
23:38.27Amarandesome 80 LK normals, all LK and Cata heroics and all Cata normals
23:38.54Corrodiaswhen you say "queue", what do you mean?
23:39.01Amarandehow about the requirements for ZA and ZG on reg? (or are they either going to be heroic only and/or places that no one will EVER go to on reg?)
23:39.27AmarandeWith the dungeon finder, you join a queue to be placed in a random dungeon group, much like the way Battlegrounds always worked
23:39.56AmarandeTo produce a viable group, it always groups up one tank, three DPS, and one healer
23:40.07Corrodiasi see
23:40.26AmarandeThis worked swimmingly in Lich King, though it's been sometimes somewhat painful in Cata because group composition can matter a lot more in Cata while in LK, it didn't really matter at all what classes you had in a five-man
23:40.44Amarande(although bringing five low-geared druids to Ahn'kahet is probably a bad idea ...)
23:40.48Corrodiasand correct me if i'm wrong, but the secondhand information i get in here suggests that there's at least as much bitching, kicking, and ragequitting  as before
23:41.15AmarandeDidn't really see particularly much chat in most random dungeon groups, so correspondingly not much bitching
23:41.23AmarandeRagequitting, yeah, people dump group a lot after wipes still
23:41.31Cidegroup composition matters less than in LK.
23:42.01AmarandeAnd kicking depends on the group, but there's been enough groups who use the votekick feature as a tool to tune group composition for it to be a common topic of complaints on the fora by less favoured DPS classes/builds
23:42.08Cidein 5 man heroics it mattered less in LK since everyone had full epics a day after hitting 80
23:42.20Cidebut the actual design is much more class agnostic.
23:42.33AmarandeCide: except for depending much more heavily on CC if the group is not overpowered, apparently
23:42.41Corrodiasi see
23:42.44Cideyou can always make do.
23:42.57Amarandeand some classes don't really have very good CC (plate DPS, in particular - especially DKs, since being introduced in an expansion where CC barely mattered, they were correspondingly given fairly little of it)
23:43.00Cideyou spout a lot of crap for seemingly not having played cataclysm at all
23:43.22AmarandeI only played in the 4.0.3a days, when things still weren't fully tuned and things were apparently a lot harder
23:43.25AmarandeI haven't tried since 4.0.6
23:44.52Amarandeand in any case, classism in WoW is nowhere near as bad as it apparently is in some MMORPGs
23:45.01AmarandeFinal Fantasy XI was perhaps the worst in that regard, so I've read
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23:50.44Amarandeanyway, while it's probably a lot less common than the fora would lead you to believe, it does seem that votekicking has become more common in Cata than it was in LK
23:51.05Cidehave you done any heroics the past few months?
23:51.07AmarandeIn LK, I practically never saw a group use it unless someone DC'd and clearly wasn't coming back
23:51.13AmarandeCide: not since January
23:51.32Cideso stop guessing out loud
23:52.13AdysAmarande: you're in the wrong chan, this is now a minecraft channel
23:52.24AmarandeAdys: Hah
23:52.36AmarandeI remember some nights when I've been here and you folks were talking almost entirely about Minecraft
23:52.40AmarandeI still haven't tried it yet.
23:52.59AmarandeAnd really, I should finish Dragon Age and the KOTOR games before I even think of resubscribing to WoW OR playing Minecraft, for that matter.
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23:54.51Cidewhatever keeps your rants out of here imo
23:58.43Adysyesss
23:58.45Adys-nobreakpad
23:58.46Adys\o/

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