| 00:00.21 | foxlit | Can't think of anything. You can't actually search for them -- unless you use something like google, in which case you'll have to deal with results that are NPC abilities and unrelated pages. |
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| 00:28.30 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
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| 01:19.37 | Ackis | I don't suppose anyone would know a place where I can get cookie cutter builds for rift? |
| 01:42.26 | Adys | no, but i know some great psychiatrists to talk to about enjoying a game like rift |
| 01:43.08 | Cairenn | http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html |
| 01:43.47 | Adys | Cairenn: i think he wants an elitistjerks for rift |
| 01:44.08 | Cairenn | yeah, I gathered that, but there may be something there |
| 01:44.15 | Cairenn | I haven't really looked |
| 01:44.24 | Cairenn | but there are probably forum threads etc |
| 01:44.32 | Adys | gives me an idea |
| 01:44.34 | Adys | registers pompousassholes.com |
| 01:44.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | dag nabbit another guild bites the dust :[ |
| 01:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | write me an addon that holds guilds together thanks in advance |
| 01:47.17 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 01:47.36 | Cide | no thanks |
| 01:47.38 | Cide | I need moar re cruits |
| 01:47.40 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: look for guilds that originated from another game |
| 01:47.41 | Cide | recruits |
| 01:48.04 | Cide | hmm, anyone dealt with epoll? |
| 01:48.08 | Mr_Rabies | I'm actually gonna probably join a guild that's been a top raiding guild since classic |
| 01:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 01:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | top of the server |
| 01:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | not saying much, but at least they have staying power! |
| 01:48.26 | Adys | i don't think that exists |
| 01:48.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's one on my realm |
| 01:48.50 | Adys | if they do exists they have likely changed a lot |
| 01:48.55 | Mr_Rabies | they have 5 10 mans running consistently, all progression |
| 01:48.58 | Adys | most guilds that were top-notch in classic were destroyed in tbc |
| 01:49.15 | Mr_Rabies | actually, it's just about everyone i remember from classic |
| 01:49.24 | Mr_Rabies | they all slowly joined it over time |
| 01:49.34 | Adys | exception to confirm the rule then |
| 01:50.06 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what happened to them during tbc, but i know they were strong then and are strong now |
| 01:50.06 | Adys | in any case, i haven't seen a single guild that originated from another game actually be destroyed by wow |
| 01:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | they may have started from another game |
| 01:50.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not sure |
| 01:50.23 | Adys | that would make more sense |
| 01:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | but like |
| 01:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | the entire server from classic that i remember |
| 01:50.33 | Mr_Rabies | is now in this guild |
| 01:51.04 | Adys | my guild is turning 14 in a few weeks |
| 01:51.06 | Adys | \o/ |
| 01:52.09 | Adys | it's really a blessing to be in that sort of guild |
| 01:52.28 | Adys | follows you through different games; you stop wow you're still in it and still play with guildmates |
| 01:53.31 | Adys | and in all of its wow life, only two guildkicks, and only one guy left for another guild (and he came back) |
| 01:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | there're some problems with SOME of those guilds though |
| 01:53.54 | Adys | but you cant have hardcore raiding with that |
| 01:54.03 | Adys | well yeah theres lots of issues |
| 01:54.11 | Adys | you have to fit in with the actual playstyle of the guild |
| 01:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | they tend to have a lot of "well everquest is better because of x let me drag everyone down with my elitism" types |
| 01:54.49 | Adys | mine's the exact opposite |
| 01:54.55 | Adys | if you wanna see heroic raid content odds are it's the wrong place |
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| 01:55.47 | Adys | we do have a small 10man group doing less-casual raiding but they arent getting really far |
| 01:56.50 | Adys | honestly though, i was a dead-set hardcore raider until tbc; joined them at the end of tbc and i wouldn't trade any sort of raiding content for staying there |
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| 02:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | i was a pretty intense raider until AQ |
| 02:08.50 | Grouch11 | is there a way to test if a variable is a table or an integer? is there a way to say: if xx = "a table" then? |
| 02:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | i was with a guild doing MC and BWL in the same night when bwl was top content for a while |
| 02:09.12 | Iriel | if (type(xx) == "table") then |
| 02:09.18 | Grouch11 | oo ty |
| 02:09.23 | Iriel | dont forget the "" around "table" |
| 02:09.29 | Grouch11 | heard |
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| 02:15.02 | kd3 | blah at aq. cakeish until huhupants, then head bang against wall until the raid got enough NR, then head bang against wall on emps, then just staring at c'thun until they hotfixed him |
| 02:15.03 | kd3 | sighs |
| 02:15.28 | olafski | psh |
| 02:15.36 | olafski | should've farmed NR gear way before AQ was opened :) |
| 02:15.54 | kd3 | this was on medivh, first server in the world to open the gates. not like we knew |
| 02:16.04 | kd3 | too busy farming runecloth |
| 02:16.15 | kd3 | and fish. and ore. and ... |
| 02:17.30 | olafski | oh :P chances of that =( |
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| 02:23.54 | Sinopsis | Sup guys...I wrote some addons quite a while ago, but they had 0 gui..all slash commands..was wondering if there was something out there to make developing the gui's easier...for someone like me who sucks at graphic crap |
| 02:24.16 | Wobin | there's AceGui |
| 02:25.29 | Sinopsis | what about a visual designer? |
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| 02:26.44 | Sinopsis | actually, i'll just describe what I want and maybe someone can help me with it...I'm pretty sure its super simple |
| 02:28.12 | Sinopsis | We use Mizus Raid Tracker to track raids and such...It allows me to see who got loot etc off of specific bosses, but doesnt let me see all the loot by person. I'd like an addon that just lets me bring up a window and based off my target (someone in the raid), show me a scrolling window with all the loot they have gotten (thats in the MRT db) sorted by date |
| 02:28.39 | Sinopsis | actually, doesnt even have to be based on my target, a dropdown list with all the names in the db would be fine too |
| 02:33.23 | Sinopsis | any volunteers?? :) |
| 02:33.56 | Wobin | There's no visual designer that I know of |
| 02:34.02 | Wobin | although, come to think of it, there might be one |
| 02:34.08 | Wobin | I just cannot remember the site name |
| 02:34.14 | Wobin | it just generated the xml |
| 02:34.23 | Sinopsis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.54 | Sinopsis | just really have no idea where to start with it |
| 02:35.32 | kd3 | look at how other dkp mods look? skim through their code to see how they do what they do? |
| 02:36.14 | Grouch11 | sinopsis: theres one called wow ui designer. its graphic and seems to generate usable xml code. i've used it before when i didnt want to bother with clean code for some short term purpose. |
| 02:36.51 | Sinopsis | Yea...just a little difficult with languages like lua that have a bajillion different ways of doing the same thing...mizus's already tracks everything, i just need to display one element of info a little differently |
| 02:36.54 | Grouch11 | small learning curve. i think if you're 12 years old or older, should be a cakewalk |
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| 02:38.06 | Sinopsis | @grouch11, i'm much much older than 12, but sometimes my mind just shuts down....hours and hours a day working on boring ass insurance code just melts my brain cells away |
| 02:38.16 | Sinopsis | i'll try it though, thx |
| 02:39.18 | Sinopsis | just out of curisoity, has anyone used wow addon studio? since i'm very familiar with visual studio, i would be more @ home in it..but dont want to waste my time if it doesnt work |
| 03:00.28 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 03:00.54 | Mr_Rabies | broker_atlasloot seems to be dead, is there a replacement or is broker functionality built in now and i'm stupid |
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| 03:21.22 | cogwheel | Jelly__: |
| 03:21.32 | cogwheel | <. |
| 03:21.35 | cogwheel | 3* |
| 03:31.39 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 03:34.29 | bleeter | < thegoodcushion> does anyone here know anything about electric shavers? I bought a Remington F7790 for $136 and it just doesn't work. it doesn't shave me. |
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| 03:34.32 | bleeter | < thegoodcushion> it turns on and buzzes but I run it over my face and the hair is still there |
| 03:34.35 | bleeter | < jaimekristene> Oh yeah, that's a vibrator |
| 03:34.42 | Grouch11 | LOL |
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| 03:41.09 | tem | Is there some kind of weird bug with the graphics settings? |
| 03:41.20 | tem | it won't let me set them to higher |
| 03:41.35 | tem | my system ran "ultra" at 100+ fps last time I played |
| 03:41.42 | tem | but now it won't let me go above fair |
| 03:42.00 | Thunder_Child | in what? |
| 03:42.06 | tem | wow |
| 03:42.36 | Thunder_Child | you can edit the ini directly if you want |
| 03:42.56 | Thunder_Child | but i havent heard of anything like that |
| 03:52.56 | tem | http://i.imgur.com/AddHY.png |
| 03:53.00 | tem | wtf is that |
| 03:53.09 | Thunder_Child | a png |
| 03:53.26 | tem | *glare* |
| 03:53.32 | Thunder_Child | *grin* |
| 03:53.48 | Trela | Yep, definitely a PNG file. |
| 03:53.49 | Thunder_Child | stop breaking your wow tem |
| 03:57.23 | tem | pass |
| 03:58.27 | Thunder_Child | then run the fix tool |
| 03:58.44 | Thunder_Child | s/x t/x, t/ |
| 04:00.41 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:03.11 | tem | :P |
| 04:05.44 | tem | video driver update fixed it |
| 04:09.29 | karl_w_w | i sometimes wonder if gms read the tickets at all |
| 04:09.42 | karl_w_w | usually i explain the exact issue in the ticket |
| 04:09.48 | karl_w_w | then they need me to explain it again |
| 04:10.04 | karl_w_w | i dont understand, are they checking if you're telling the truth or something? :P |
| 04:10.09 | Thunder_Child | http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=614685 |
| 04:10.36 | Sinopsis | pro tip to get your tickets answered in record time, just include a buzz word in it like suicide |
| 04:11.35 | Arrowmaster | and then end up with police at your door |
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| 04:13.40 | Sinopsis | nah...just dont use it in that way |
| 04:14.10 | Sinopsis | find a way to use it without threatening suicide...one way I do it is i just google for celebrity suicides and then in the bottom of the gm ticket "did you hear so and so committed suicide?" |
| 04:14.18 | karl_w_w | "stuck" is a good buzz word to use Sinopsis |
| 04:14.30 | karl_w_w | easy to fit in without looking like ur using it deliberately |
| 04:14.45 | Sinopsis | cooll..whats the average response time with that buzzword? |
| 04:14.54 | Sinopsis | with suicide, its like < 5 mins |
| 04:14.56 | karl_w_w | really quick :P |
| 04:15.08 | Sinopsis | cool...i'll try stuck next time |
| 04:15.12 | karl_w_w | queue times are really short atm anyway |
| 04:15.38 | Sinopsis | can anyone point me to a really good tutorial on the xml for ui elements |
| 04:17.34 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/HOWTOs#Using_FrameXML |
| 04:18.04 | kd3 | and a bunch of other tutorials on that page |
| 04:18.52 | Sinopsis | yea..I had that one..was just hoping for more ;) i'm being lazy tonight...i'm convinced someone else could have written what I need in about 30 seconds lol...but I've *ALMOST* got the UI described |
| 05:06.07 | Sinopsis | http://www.wowpedia.org/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate#MyModScrollBar.lua |
| 05:06.30 | Sinopsis | how would I make it use something that would stay selected/highlighted instead of buttons |
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| 05:13.29 | Dagmar | Ace probably has a list selection widget in there somewhere |
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| 05:22.44 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: that your diagonal line? |
| 05:22.52 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 05:22.52 | jnwhiteh | Sinopsis: you use a CheckButton instead of Button |
| 05:23.07 | jnwhiteh | that way you can :SetChecked() on the one you've selected, or any number of those that you've selected. |
| 05:23.14 | Xinhuan | but i dont' have enough iron |
| 05:23.20 | jnwhiteh | ah boo |
| 05:23.22 | Xinhuan | and i'm getting more diamonds than iron today lol |
| 05:23.32 | jnwhiteh | go spelunking |
| 05:23.35 | jnwhiteh | tons of iron that way |
| 05:23.37 | jnwhiteh | and a bit more fun |
| 05:23.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 05:23.43 | Xinhuan | have you seen how we "expanded" your train station |
| 05:23.57 | Xinhuan | to connect to miks bed and my water travellator? |
| 05:24.05 | Xinhuan | its also a shortcut to the surface |
| 05:24.18 | Sinopsis | @jnw thx |
| 05:25.25 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: I saw the addition for your travellator |
| 05:25.32 | jnwhiteh | didn't see that it went to Mikma's anything |
| 05:25.51 | Xinhuan | its like a 15 square tunnel from the station to his bed |
| 05:26.22 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 05:26.32 | jnwhiteh | fine by me =) |
| 05:26.46 | Xinhuan | mikma, josma and friends have also started a new home/castle/mine/grinder further south of iriel's place |
| 05:26.49 | Xinhuan | you might want to take a look |
| 05:27.08 | Iriel | It's the cyan line out of the southern terminus |
| 05:27.30 | Iriel | Now with new "underground" launcher |
| 05:27.34 | jnwhiteh | ah, so they've made Finland |
| 05:27.35 | Xinhuan | i'm amazed at the construction speed |
| 05:27.38 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 05:27.41 | Iriel | (Can't WAIT for 1.5) |
| 05:27.42 | jnwhiteh | why did they do it above ground, I wonder |
| 05:27.49 | Xinhuan | but then again, they have 3 ppl |
| 05:27.51 | jnwhiteh | Iriel: any particular reason? |
| 05:27.57 | Iriel | Powered rails |
| 05:28.02 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 05:28.10 | jnwhiteh | they removing boosters at the same time? |
| 05:28.14 | Xinhuan | above ground tracks? well its in line with teh architecture style of iriel's |
| 05:28.25 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: no, the Grinder |
| 05:28.32 | Iriel | They ran a 'bare' track to me, then I had to complain and they made it pretty |
| 05:28.43 | Xinhuan | well its easier to build above ground |
| 05:28.43 | Iriel | jnwhite; I haven't seen word on the fate of boosters |
| 05:28.47 | Xinhuan | than diei under |
| 05:28.49 | Xinhuan | dig* |
| 05:29.00 | Xinhuan | after all yours is above groudn too ! |
| 05:29.07 | Sinopsis | I'm trying to access data from another addon in my addon, I know the name of its saved variable, shouldnt I just be able to reference it? |
| 05:29.09 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: which is why they should have not done it |
| 05:29.13 | jnwhiteh | based on the complaints =) |
| 05:29.20 | jnwhiteh | Sinopsis: if its loaded, yes. |
| 05:29.31 | jnwhiteh | Iriel: the wiki says 'bug boosters' will go, but boosters will still work |
| 05:29.35 | jnwhiteh | dunno what on earth that means |
| 05:30.19 | Iriel | Hm, me neither |
| 05:30.26 | Xinhuan | jnwhiteh, i've also determined from main train station hub, the single booster that starts the minecart is enough to drive the cart all the way to my house without any additional boosters |
| 05:30.33 | Xinhuan | (and all the way back as well) |
| 05:30.51 | Xinhuan | so the entire track doesn't need boosters |
| 05:30.54 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: nice |
| 05:31.03 | jnwhiteh | well we put boosters in so you can re-start if you get stopped |
| 05:31.05 | jnwhiteh | normally |
| 05:31.12 | Xinhuan | and since its diagonal, it travels faster |
| 05:31.14 | Xinhuan | i suppose |
| 05:31.31 | jnwhiteh | does it actually travel faster? |
| 05:31.39 | jnwhiteh | it is precisely the same number of tracks, after all.. |
| 05:31.39 | Xinhuan | yeah, 8m/s per axis |
| 05:31.55 | Xinhuan | so diagonally, it travels at sqr(128) |
| 05:32.05 | Xinhuan | lua> 128^0.5 |
| 05:32.06 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 11.313708498985 |
| 05:33.33 | jnwhiteh | well I have massive latency |
| 05:33.38 | jnwhiteh | so I can't do much of anything on this crap connection =) |
| 05:33.44 | jnwhiteh | i need to find a new place to settle |
| 05:33.49 | Xinhuan | where are you |
| 05:33.51 | jnwhiteh | I dont very much like the desert |
| 05:33.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm in Tuscany |
| 05:34.13 | Iriel | At least yuor priorities are straight |
| 05:34.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 05:34.23 | Xinhuan | we could technically build a new base/castle together, northeast of my mansion |
| 05:34.27 | Xinhuan | it goes straight into the forest |
| 05:34.32 | jnwhiteh | I'd like a village, I think. |
| 05:34.36 | Xinhuan | if i extend the tracks even further northeast |
| 05:34.39 | jnwhiteh | not sure what the point would be |
| 05:35.01 | jnwhiteh | maybe a castle/village |
| 05:35.02 | Iriel | You could find a cluster of mob spawners and build a haunted village underground in a cave |
| 05:35.07 | jnwhiteh | could be nice :P |
| 05:35.07 | Xinhuan | by castle, i mean a village |
| 05:35.08 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 05:35.30 | Xinhuan | the entire region northeast is forest with scenic water spots |
| 05:35.38 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 05:35.41 | jnwhiteh | I was considering that =) |
| 05:35.50 | jnwhiteh | count me in if you want to start something up there. |
| 05:35.51 | Xinhuan | is that your carnival on the small island? |
| 05:36.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 05:36.05 | jnwhiteh | where are you talking? |
| 05:36.06 | Xinhuan | with red/yellow wool |
| 05:36.18 | Xinhuan | look at the flat map |
| 05:36.28 | Xinhuan | east of my mansion there's an island |
| 05:36.43 | Xinhuan | across the expanse of water |
| 05:36.53 | Xinhuan | there's some sort of carnival looking thing on it |
| 05:37.03 | Xinhuan | (the isometric map might show it better) |
| 05:37.13 | jnwhiteh | nope, no idea what that is =) |
| 05:37.23 | jnwhiteh | might be Mikma's wife |
| 05:37.51 | Xinhuan | i was thinking north of the huge lake, some new village of some sort can be made |
| 05:38.16 | jnwhiteh | i miss there being plains |
| 05:38.17 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 05:38.22 | jnwhiteh | landscapes are too hilly now |
| 05:38.45 | Xinhuan | the nearest plains are like, east of yssaril's bio-dome |
| 05:38.50 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 05:39.01 | Xinhuan | UNLESS we burn down the forest |
| 05:39.05 | Xinhuan | muahahaha |
| 05:39.09 | jnwhiteh | nah, its too hilly still |
| 05:39.15 | jnwhiteh | you used to not need to terraform as much |
| 05:39.22 | Xinhuan | i see a lot of torches |
| 05:39.26 | Xinhuan | on the area i indicated |
| 05:39.30 | Xinhuan | as a good spot |
| 05:39.50 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 05:39.54 | jnwhiteh | I wonder who torched it |
| 05:40.41 | Xinhuan | the caves map also shows a huge square mine underneath |
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| 05:41.08 | jnwhiteh | maybe that's cogs extra mine |
| 05:41.09 | jnwhiteh | not sure |
| 05:41.10 | Xinhuan | visible on iriel's latest map as well: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/minecraft/diamond-q128.png |
| 05:41.18 | Xinhuan | he generated this an hour ago |
| 05:42.23 | Xinhuan | the caves on this map are only layers 1-20 |
| 05:42.34 | Xinhuan | but man made stuff across all layers are shown |
| 05:42.44 | Xinhuan | (cobblestone, etc) |
| 05:43.03 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 05:43.40 | Iriel | Various "less natural" tiles |
| 05:43.47 | Iriel | glass, cobble, chests, signs, etc |
| 05:45.00 | Xinhuan | what does the red numbers indicate, Iriel? |
| 05:45.03 | jnwhiteh | nice :P |
| 05:45.13 | Iriel | Average Y level of the cluster |
| 05:45.31 | jnwhiteh | ooh, nice =) |
| 05:45.57 | Iriel | It's designed to be USEFUL 8-) |
| 05:46.07 | Iriel | Though if you use an X-ray mod it's less awesome |
| 05:46.10 | Xinhuan | i thought each chunk can only have 1 diamond cluster in it |
| 05:46.12 | Iriel | I dont, so I find it super awesome |
| 05:46.25 | Iriel | each chunk can generate 1, but sometimes it's generated in the adjacent chunk |
| 05:46.28 | Xinhuan | are the gridlines chunk aligned? |
| 05:46.44 | Iriel | Yes |
| 05:48.19 | Xinhuan | i suppose the map data also has the contents of chests in dungeons? :P |
| 05:48.57 | Iriel | Should do yes |
| 05:49.02 | Iriel | that seems like cheating tho 8-) |
| 05:49.39 | jnwhiteh | heheh |
| 05:49.44 | jnwhiteh | alright I need to go back to sleep for a bit |
| 05:50.02 | Xinhuan | when are you returning? |
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| 05:51.51 | Sinopsis | the CheckButton that was mentioned earlier..I switched my template to use that...and call the SetChecked method on it..but it's still just an "empty" button with white text on it |
| 05:52.10 | Arrowmaster | is this the same server you guys were on back in alpha the one time i joined you |
| 05:52.19 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: no that was my server |
| 05:52.25 | jnwhiteh | Sinopsis: you need to give it the decorations you want |
| 05:52.51 | jnwhiteh | look at existing templates in FrameXML |
| 05:53.15 | Sinopsis | I'm not sure which ui element has what i want lol...i guess the friends list is close |
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| 05:53.48 | jnwhiteh | well you can just search for CheckButton and see what templates exist if you want *shrug* |
| 05:53.58 | Sinopsis | sorry i'm such a nub, this is the first addon i've ever written with ****ANY**** gui elements |
| 05:54.16 | Sinopsis | where are the templates? |
| 05:54.42 | jnwhiteh | anythign with virtual="true" in the FrameXML code |
| 05:54.55 | jnwhiteh | but if friends has what you want, start looking there! |
| 05:55.39 | Sinopsis | ...i guess i'm not asking the right question....where would I look for examples...my "template" is just an empty <CheckButton> |
| 05:55.58 | jnwhiteh | You look in the FrameXML. |
| 05:56.04 | jnwhiteh | the code that defines the default user interface |
| 05:56.28 | Xinhuan | when are you returning home jnwhiteh? |
| 05:56.33 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: monday night |
| 05:56.51 | jnwhiteh | Sinopsis: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/live/FrameXML |
| 05:57.25 | Sinopsis | ahh..ty i was about to ask where this FrameXML was lol |
| 05:57.37 | jnwhiteh | its covered early on in my book |
| 05:57.41 | pompy | ~framexml |
| 05:57.41 | purl | it has been said that framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 05:57.42 | jnwhiteh | and you can get it a number of ways now |
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| 05:57.48 | jnwhiteh | what pompy/purl said =) |
| 05:58.00 | Xinhuan | framexml can be extracted using a number of utilities (or you can view/download ones people already extracted) from your wow installation |
| 05:58.05 | pompy | ;) |
| 05:58.33 | Xinhuan | it is basically the entirety of blizzard's default UI |
| 05:58.44 | Xinhuan | and they called it FrameXML (a misleading name) |
| 05:59.44 | Sinopsis | ok..that helps...last question for a while i hope..anyone know off the top of their heads which xml file has the friends list in it? |
| 05:59.48 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 05:59.51 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 06:00.22 | Fisker | hey Xinhuan |
| 06:00.48 | jnwhiteh | okay, night time |
| 06:02.27 | pompy | Sinopsis: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/13875/FriendsFrame.xml |
| 06:03.47 | pompy | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.xml |
| 06:04.06 | Sinopsis | thx again |
| 06:06.41 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 06:06.46 | Fisker | we need billions of tater |
| 06:06.48 | Fisker | taters |
| 06:06.50 | Fisker | get moving! |
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| 06:07.47 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: someone might've linked this before, but in case not... http://mypicturemania.com/the-most-adventurous-cat-in-the-world |
| 06:12.46 | mikma | say what |
| 06:12.51 | mikma | you want to burn down the forest? |
| 06:12.54 | mikma | i'm on it! |
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| 06:16.07 | Xinhuan | it would be funny if you really did it again Mikk |
| 06:16.10 | Xinhuan | mikma* |
| 06:16.49 | mikma | it wasn't funny with the first time :I |
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| 06:28.16 | airtonix | whats the word for cave diving? |
| 06:28.19 | airtonix | spelunking? |
| 06:28.28 | Corrodias | sounds right. or is that climbing? |
| 06:28.36 | airtonix | spalunking? |
| 06:29.27 | airtonix | it's sperlunking |
| 06:29.36 | Xyphoid | cave diving or caving |
| 06:29.59 | Dagmar | spelunking. |
| 06:30.24 | Xyphoid | caving is 'spelunking', cave diving is 'terrifying' |
| 06:30.30 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:33.57 | Shirik | is now in seattle! |
| 06:34.30 | Fisker | PLAY SOME DAMN GAMES |
| 06:34.34 | Fisker | so we can get portal 2 |
| 06:34.37 | Fisker | also |
| 06:34.39 | Fisker | get some taters |
| 06:34.55 | tem | jnwhiteh, it sounds like you guys have a fun and active minecraft server |
| 06:34.58 | tem | I'm jealous |
| 06:35.06 | tem | I can't get my friends to log into my server |
| 06:35.18 | tem | so I forever alone for a few days and get bored |
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| 06:35.27 | tem | go back to starcraft for a few days |
| 06:35.49 | airtonix | "forver alone" |
| 06:37.21 | mikma | tem: well dump your server and come and populate cogserver |
| 06:37.43 | tem | honestly, not having a good mc server is probably good for me |
| 06:37.56 | tem | I can autism adventure for too long without noticing time |
| 06:38.11 | tem | speaking of time |
| 06:38.15 | tem | it's like 2 am and I'm sleepy |
| 06:38.16 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.26 | mikma | what a whiner |
| 06:40.27 | mikma | jnwhiteh: 1.5 and new tracks \o/ also gappy ladders don't work |
| 06:47.17 | mikma | hah, bluspacecow's base is there, left of iriel's place |
| 06:48.26 | mikma | xinhuan: also, i'm pretty sure that it's josma's "summercottage" there |
| 06:55.21 | Xinhuan | yep |
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| 07:39.01 | airtonix | :< |
| 07:39.22 | airtonix | i'm trying to make a mob farm processor but i can't find any lava |
| 07:40.26 | mikma | dig dig dig |
| 07:43.55 | airtonix | i have this epic waterslide |
| 07:44.11 | airtonix | i hope it doesn't douse any lava i find :< |
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| 07:51.00 | sylvanaar_ipad | Good morning |
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| 07:53.26 | nebula169 | it's pretty entertaining sitting in vent listening to a bunch of people play amnesia |
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| 07:56.34 | sylvanaar_ipad | Did I just quit and come back? |
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| 07:57.41 | sylvanaar_ipad | ~love sylvanaar_ipad |
| 07:57.41 | purl | If you love sylvanaar_ipad so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 07:58.03 | zenzelezz | sylvanaar_ipad: you did |
| 07:58.27 | sylvanaar_ipad | Ah, wonder why |
| 07:59.18 | sylvanaar_ipad | It's late/early I guess it may have been when I restarted my iPad |
| 08:00.07 | sylvanaar_ipad | The channel topic is so win |
| 08:00.17 | sylvanaar_ipad | smiles |
| 08:00.35 | Fisker | restarted your ipad? |
| 08:00.51 | zenzelezz | what's it saying though? Something about a pervy foot job? |
| 08:01.13 | sylvanaar_ipad | Yes, sometime apps will allocate too much memory and not free it |
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| 08:32.20 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 08:32.52 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 08:34.10 | mikma | bluspacecow: i accidentally your whole base |
| 08:34.42 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 08:34.51 | bluspacecow | did you blow up the hill outside it ? |
| 08:35.46 | bluspacecow | looks fine to me |
| 08:35.54 | bluspacecow | which one did you blow up ? my summer home ? |
| 08:36.02 | mikma | the whole base, lol |
| 08:36.17 | bluspacecow | i have 2 bases which one |
| 08:36.35 | mikma | accidentally, lol |
| 08:36.47 | bluspacecow | the one up by the spawn pt ? |
| 08:37.44 | mikma | i was running around and then i accidentally the whole thing, lol |
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| 08:38.11 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 08:38.39 | bluspacecow | not really |
| 08:38.50 | bluspacecow | im not sure what he accidently the whole thinged to the thing |
| 08:38.54 | bluspacecow | blow it up ? |
| 08:39.00 | bluspacecow | paint it in rad colors ? |
| 08:39.03 | bluspacecow | have sex with it ? |
| 08:39.06 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
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| 08:43.07 | airtonix | haha |
| 08:43.11 | airtonix | you said rad |
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| 09:00.08 | Fisker | get some damn taters and play some damn tater games |
| 09:00.08 | Fisker | jerks |
| 09:01.04 | airtonix | why would i do that? |
| 09:01.25 | mikma | fisker: no thanks, we'll rather play in cogwheel's minecraft server |
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| 09:17.31 | airtonix | mikma: you tried using waterfalls as a coating for walls to prevent creepers blowing holes in your inital fortress? |
| 09:18.58 | zenzelezz | waterfalls for walls? Usually people are afraid moisture will cause mold |
| 09:20.27 | Xinhuan | you could use obsidian portals as a doorway |
| 09:20.40 | Xinhuan | since obsidian is immune to explosions and mobs cannot walk through a portal |
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| 09:39.17 | mikma | airtonix: nope, but good idea tho |
| 09:41.28 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 09:45.57 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 09:46.11 | bluspacecow | wolvie despawned before i could get em |
| 09:46.55 | airtonix | Fisker: i has a bucket |
| 09:47.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bucket ? |
| 09:57.06 | mikma | xinhuan: well, show me a working obsidian portal :) |
| 10:10.57 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/130098982713.jpg |
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| 10:25.32 | karl_w_w | what do I do if I want to do something after each player_entering_world event but after a short delay? :P |
| 10:27.01 | zenzelezz | either use some existing timer library, or implement your own using OnUpdate I think |
| 10:27.54 | haste | mikma: gr8 friend! |
| 10:28.05 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:28.09 | Fisker | hahahahahaaaaaaaaste |
| 10:29.05 | haste | Fisker: listening to trifonic, nothing can spoil my mood! |
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| 10:49.10 | Fisker | valve's arg is disappointing me |
| 10:52.09 | Torhal | stabs Fisker with a sack of potatoes. |
| 10:55.59 | karl_w_w | not my code: events:SetScript("OnEvent", function() lib:UpdateStatus() end) <- what is the point of doing it like that? |
| 10:56.18 | mikma | just cause |
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| 11:29.20 | karl_w_w | rewriting a whole block of code because you didn't notice the missing "end" is so pro |
| 11:35.19 | karl_w_w | qu'est-ce que c'est: line 288: function arguments expected near ')' |
| 11:35.20 | karl_w_w | events:SetScript("OnEvent", lib:EventHandler) |
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| 12:20.05 | Mikk | karl_w_w: tip: run your code through "luac -p yourfilename.lua" before reloading ui |
| 12:20.17 | Mikk | for a quick parser test |
| 12:20.49 | Mikk | or if you want, http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 12:22.42 | karl_w_w | i dont know what a luac is but it sounds painful |
| 12:25.51 | wereHamster | karl_w_w: SetScript("OnEvent", function() lib:UpdateStatus() end) and SetScript("OnEvent", lib:EventHandler) are not equal. Especially when the EventHandler uses self |
| 12:38.18 | Xinhuan | luac.exe is "Lua compiler" |
| 12:38.26 | Xinhuan | you can download Lua 5.1 free from their website |
| 12:38.46 | Xinhuan | it compiles an input .lua file into a bytecode file |
| 12:39.47 | Xinhuan | but the -p tells it to "parse" only and not actually generate a bytecode file, so it will only report syntax errors |
| 12:40.12 | Xinhuan | typically luac is version specific, like "luac5.1.exe" |
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| 12:47.09 | Lunessa | station |
| 12:48.16 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 12:52.07 | karl_w_w | excellent |
| 12:52.20 | karl_w_w | now i can see when i fail before reloading the game |
| 12:52.30 | karl_w_w | shame i still cant fix the fail :P |
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| 13:10.29 | Lunessa | Fail is not meant to be fixed. It is meant to be experienced, recorded, and posted on Fail Blog. |
| 13:11.56 | karl_w_w | its not interesting fail though |
| 13:12.11 | karl_w_w | its just i suck@lua fail |
| 13:12.45 | bluspacecow | and also commented on , jeered at and posted to irc channels and facebook |
| 13:13.36 | Lunessa | Yeah. That. |
| 13:16.25 | Computerpunk | http://www.smashingapps.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/reason-why-computer-user-seems-to-have-spare-time.jpg |
| 13:16.37 | bluspacecow | *wants to be on cogwheels minecraftt server at work* |
| 13:16.40 | bluspacecow | *sad face* |
| 13:17.01 | TC-Away | so do it? |
| 13:17.15 | bluspacecow | might show up in teh logs :( |
| 13:17.35 | Thunder_Child | vpn from your laptop.....you do have a laptop right? |
| 13:18.54 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 13:18.57 | bluspacecow | funny thing is |
| 13:19.09 | bluspacecow | i'm one floor down from the councillors lounge |
| 13:19.15 | bluspacecow | where theres free wifi afaik |
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| 13:31.29 | Lunessa | Really? I just had a student call the college IT support because she forgot her Facebook password. |
| 13:31.58 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 13:32.11 | Lunessa | *facepalm* |
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| 13:47.05 | Lunessa | More Dads need to post like this. http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/04/11/funny-facebook-fails-her-full-name/ |
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| 14:05.32 | Adys | CIDE |
| 14:05.33 | Adys | I DID IT |
| 14:05.34 | Adys | \o/ |
| 14:06.39 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/532682/ |
| 14:06.40 | Adys | :D |
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| 14:25.08 | Adys | hai bluspacecow. http://i.imgur.com/lEKGB.jpg |
| 14:25.35 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
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| 14:54.24 | olafski | ware you using some kind of custom textures adys? |
| 14:54.39 | olafski | that looks different than mine (pun coincidental) :] |
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| 15:01.57 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 15:02.14 | bluspacecow | reading through the minecraft forums 1.4 beta bugs thread |
| 15:02.26 | [Wobin] | link? |
| 15:02.29 | bluspacecow | and its amazing the amount of people reporting stuff that's either not a bug |
| 15:02.33 | bluspacecow | or really old bug |
| 15:02.39 | bluspacecow | like the south west rule |
| 15:02.42 | kd3 | it's the minecraft forums, like you expect anything else? |
| 15:02.57 | kd3 | quickly got disillusioned with those forums shortly after starting to read them |
| 15:03.10 | bluspacecow | http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1020&t=253514 |
| 15:03.49 | Wobin | "Tamed wolves whimper in SMP regardless of health." |
| 15:03.51 | bluspacecow | that reminds me |
| 15:03.51 | Wobin | =( =( =( |
| 15:04.06 | bluspacecow | has the new season of DR who started yet ? |
| 15:04.15 | kd3 | it doesn't help that the OP stopped caring about 10 pages in |
| 15:04.57 | bluspacecow | i think jeb said they whimper as they use the wrong value of health to check to whimper or not |
| 15:05.05 | bluspacecow | its a known bug |
| 15:06.12 | kd3 | yup |
| 15:07.21 | Wobin | poor wolfies =( |
| 15:09.58 | bluspacecow | i have yet to find some in my SSP world |
| 15:10.06 | bluspacecow | found some on cogwheels server |
| 15:10.11 | bluspacecow | but i had no bones :( |
| 15:10.12 | kd3 | trees + water |
| 15:10.19 | bluspacecow | and by the time i got back he had despawned :( |
| 15:10.29 | kd3 | actually found one in his farm once |
| 15:16.21 | Adys | olafski: Yeah; 32bit faithful |
| 15:16.25 | Adys | with a bit of mixcraft |
| 15:17.16 | Adys | kd3! |
| 15:17.20 | Adys | look how awesome I am |
| 15:17.22 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/lEKGB.jpg |
| 15:17.22 | Adys | :D |
| 15:17.55 | kd3 | rofl |
| 15:18.08 | Adys | kd3: no plugin or anything |
| 15:18.15 | Adys | just a wrapper |
| 15:18.49 | Adys | very lightweight (2mb) |
| 15:19.23 | Adys | could probably be lighter admittedly but when you're dealing with java, whatever you stop counting |
| 15:19.29 | kd3 | ya |
| 15:20.26 | Dagmar | Bluspacecow: Dr. Who is next weekend |
| 15:20.49 | bluspacecow | yay |
| 15:20.51 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 15:20.57 | Adys | burn notice special tomorrow |
| 15:21.51 | Adys | kd3: https://github.com/Adys/craftilect/ btw, if you're interested |
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| 15:27.59 | mikma | adys: need to see it in work |
| 15:28.16 | Adys | i have a simple django interface for it |
| 15:28.28 | Lunessa | Seriously, the Facebook girl just called back. |
| 15:28.29 | Adys | right now, I can call any of the builtin server commands |
| 15:28.54 | Adys | planning to work on injection and live world edit |
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| 16:11.44 | Lunessa | "A single supersmart person is no threat to anyone except a rival Warcraft guild. A fairly intelligent person with an army of obedient idiots is the most dangerous thing on the planet." - http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/04/alt-text-artifical-dumbness/ |
| 16:14.17 | bluspacecow | radish. |
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| 16:18.20 | Thunder_Child | i hurt in places i didnt even know i had....and now wish i did not have |
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| 16:23.42 | Lunessa | And for those of you, like me, who are chomping at the bit for "Game of Thrones" - http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/04/game-of-thrones-review/ |
| 16:24.20 | haste | every day I go to work... I walk past a HUGE game of thrones banner |
| 16:24.28 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: thats that book series? |
| 16:24.32 | haste | yes |
| 16:24.38 | haste | a song of ice and fire |
| 16:24.48 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i have the series in my room |
| 16:24.54 | Thunder_Child | havent gotten around to reading it yet |
| 16:25.01 | Lunessa | Yes. That's the title of the first book of George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Fire and Ice" |
| 16:25.29 | Wobin | it's very... uh.. epic |
| 16:25.30 | Lunessa | And HBO is premiering a 10-episode series of the first book. |
| 16:25.33 | haste | I have about 100 pages left of the first part of the third book |
| 16:25.50 | Wobin | I'm surprised they managed to cover the first book in 10 episodes |
| 16:26.01 | Lunessa | I owned the first book for about 6 years before reading it. And then I devoured it. |
| 16:26.20 | Wobin | Lunessa is a bibliomnomniphile |
| 16:26.23 | haste | ^ same with the second book |
| 16:26.34 | Lunessa | nom nom nom good reads. |
| 16:26.58 | haste | third book part 1 isn't exactly as enchanting as the ones before it imo |
| 16:27.17 | haste | I can still read it for hours straight tho' |
| 16:27.23 | Lunessa | haste: there are scenes in book 4 that hurt to read. |
| 16:27.38 | Lunessa | People in Westeros are fucking BRUTAL. |
| 16:27.52 | haste | people are pretty brutal regardless |
| 16:28.07 | Lunessa | Yeah, and these people don't have much reigning them in. |
| 16:28.18 | haste | just think of the unsullied and their puppies |
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| 16:30.14 | Thunder_Child | is this series going to remind me of the dtark desrciptions of wizards first rule series? |
| 16:30.19 | Thunder_Child | stark* |
| 16:30.33 | Lunessa | Wizard's First Rule is shit in comparison. |
| 16:30.56 | Lunessa | Of course, I think Wizard's First Rule is shit anyway. So I'm biased. |
| 16:32.25 | Thunder_Child | meh, not a huge fan of reading about bad things i cant do anything about. |
| 16:32.25 | haste | 1d 8h left Lunessa ! |
| 16:32.25 | haste | (and 28min() |
| 16:32.25 | Lunessa | haste: And I don't have HBO. :/ |
| 16:32.25 | haste | I don't live in the US! |
| 16:32.25 | Thunder_Child | but you do have the intertubes |
| 16:32.25 | haste | I'm fucked regardless |
| 16:32.25 | Lunessa | I do have intertubes and I /will/ be buying this on DVD |
| 16:32.25 | haste | well almost, there's one provider that airs it |
| 16:34.07 | Wobin | oh man |
| 16:34.09 | Lunessa | HBO put up 14 mins of it on their site. |
| 16:34.10 | Wobin | Wizards First Rule |
| 16:34.29 | Wobin | The Legend of the Seeker failed as a TV program, because they couldn't actually put what was in the books on the screen =P |
| 16:34.55 | bluspacecow | Wizards Second Rule |
| 16:35.05 | bluspacecow | Don't let fisker anywhere near your review sites comments section |
| 16:35.40 | Wobin | The sheer misogyny would have burnt itself to the ground |
| 16:35.43 | Lunessa | haste: I don't know if this is geo-sorted or not - http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html |
| 16:36.49 | haste | it uses 100% CPU and gives me a broken loading circle! :D |
| 16:37.50 | Lunessa | Heh. It's a LOT of Flash. |
| 16:38.02 | haste | I can watch the preview at least |
| 16:39.00 | Lunessa | :D |
| 16:45.12 | haste | I've always pictured the blue eyes are more glowing as well :( |
| 16:58.07 | Lunessa | haste: Yeah, but then you get the crappy effects like we got in the 80s Dune adaptation. |
| 17:00.46 | haste | is currently watching the making of. |
| 17:00.54 | haste | not that it says much about... the making so far :P |
| 17:01.15 | bluspacecow | maybe black mesa ! |
| 17:01.23 | bluspacecow | that was a joke , ha ha fat chance |
| 17:04.36 | haste | :D |
| 17:06.34 | foxlit | "Dispatch estimate for these items: 20 April 2011" :( |
| 17:06.49 | foxlit | That's like the day before everything shuts down for easter. qq, Amazon! |
| 17:07.22 | Grouch11 | so, this minecraft is fun? |
| 17:09.41 | haste | Grouch11: for example, it's friday, you play a round of minecraft, then it's suddenly monday night |
| 17:10.11 | Lunessa | ^^ |
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| 17:13.37 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:14.11 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 17:14.14 | haste | why is it buffering? |
| 17:16.41 | Grouch11 | lol @ haste! that reminds me of programming.. |
| 17:17.37 | haste | wishes he could "zone" for an entire weekend. |
| 17:18.10 | Grouch11 | im jobless.. |
| 17:18.11 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 17:18.19 | Grouch11 | i can zone all week. |
| 17:19.13 | Grouch11 | does anyone actually make anything worth mentioning off of donations? i find that hard to believe. |
| 17:19.30 | Grouch11 | even xperl or gladius.. i doubt many people donate |
| 17:19.58 | haste | I probably didn't enter the zone once while I was jobless =/ |
| 17:20.01 | bluspacecow | i think the omen guys made enough for a pizza |
| 17:20.15 | [Ammo] | I made enough to buy me a car, but it ended there :Lp |
| 17:20.21 | bluspacecow | thats over a few years of donations afaik |
| 17:20.32 | Grouch11 | i mean, even the ones who are inclined to donate..do it once. |
| 17:20.37 | [Ammo] | and it's not a pretty car |
| 17:21.04 | Grouch11 | well, i havent seen alot of solicitation for donations really. its not like authors are begging for it. |
| 17:21.11 | haste | I think donations paid for a couple of the CDs I order |
| 17:22.08 | Grouch11 | aside from personal satisfaction/growth and maybe some reputation.. there isn't much reward even if you come up with something amazing. |
| 17:22.43 | Grouch11 | maybe it could parlay into a job, but all of the progammers i know havent even heard of LUA. |
| 17:22.55 | Grouch11 | cept yall :) |
| 17:22.55 | haste | it's Lua, not LUA |
| 17:22.59 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 17:23.10 | Grouch11 | maybe thats my mistake. i should stop shouting it at people |
| 17:25.10 | foxlit | "Grouch11: does anyone actually make anything worth mentioning off of donations? i find that hard to believe." It's not an income source, but it does exist. |
| 17:25.49 | foxlit | Depends on what sort of thing you want to support, though. |
| 17:26.13 | haste | I think the crabonite guys did decently at least |
| 17:26.25 | Gagorian | From my experience people only donate if the addon is broken |
| 17:26.32 | Gagorian | As in major patch |
| 17:26.38 | foxlit | That's crazy talk! :P |
| 17:26.40 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.50 | haste | it's kinda true tho' |
| 17:27.20 | foxlit | s/is/was/ and I'll rank it as a "maybe" |
| 17:27.23 | haste | if I fail and don't allocate enough time to fix an addon that's broken on PTR for live, then later fix it, people tend to donate |
| 17:27.27 | foxlit | Donating to broken things seems like meh. |
| 17:27.41 | haste | if I'm dilligent and make it work for both PTR and live in good time, people don't donate |
| 17:28.02 | foxlit | Donating after an update that resolves brokeness probably happens because people actually visit your addon page since its spewing crap. |
| 17:28.22 | haste | that said, I think I'm still well under 100 USD in donations :P |
| 17:30.02 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 17:30.28 | bluspacecow | about to be kicked from this server's minecraft chan for pointing out that minecraft doesn't make java unstable |
| 17:30.30 | bluspacecow | at least afaik |
| 17:31.15 | haste | I play minecraft with IcedTea without much issues |
| 17:31.33 | kd3 | uses openjdk |
| 17:31.40 | A-KO | I'm tempted to build a castle |
| 17:31.42 | foxlit | "doesn't make java unstable" |
| 17:31.44 | A-KO | we've got tons of stone |
| 17:31.48 | haste | icedtea == openjdk, almost :P |
| 17:31.52 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 17:31.53 | kd3 | any more unstable than it already is |
| 17:31.56 | bluspacecow | meant the other way foxlit |
| 17:31.57 | haste | it's build tools around openjdk |
| 17:32.05 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 17:32.12 | bluspacecow | i confused myself ! |
| 17:32.13 | kd3 | s/it/java/ |
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| 17:32.46 | haste | minecraft isn't exactly filled with great coding :P |
| 17:32.58 | Grouch11 | im honestly blown away by the lack of consistency in CLEU events regarding buffs that affect a following spell. sometimes the buff will be removed before the affected spell event that verifies success and sometimes after. |
| 17:33.03 | haste | at least not based on the broken release and awkward bugs it has had through alpha |
| 17:33.24 | Grouch11 | some buffs affect the next spell regardless of whether or not the next spell cast started before the application of the buff, some won't affect a spell if its already being cast but instead wait for the next. |
| 17:33.38 | foxlit | Grouch11: meh. Order of combat log events is undefined and does not correspond to what actually happens |
| 17:33.43 | foxlit | If you're using it for anything, you're crazy. |
| 17:34.40 | Grouch11 | nah, its working for my intentions pretty well. it just takes some clever upvalues. |
| 17:36.13 | foxlit | See for instance: [Mob] hits you for 10k. [Heal] heals you for 0 (5k overheal) [You] die. |
| 17:36.14 | Grouch11 | you say that order is undefined, but i'm seeing some consistencies with certain things. |
| 17:37.11 | Grouch11 | yeah, those situations occur, but the events i'm using are more definable. |
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| 17:38.28 | Grouch11 | i've yet to find a new instance where my whitelist creation needs an exception. so far absorb and transform are working, but several classes left to evaluate. |
| 17:40.38 | foxlit | I have some swans I'd like you to meet. |
| 17:41.07 | Grouch11 | hey fox, are you implying that there is a better way to gather combat info than the CLEU? |
| 17:41.17 | Grouch11 | im a noob.,. which im sure is clear to you all. |
| 17:43.28 | foxlit | Nah, I have nothing of value to offer, except that "undefined" encompasses behavior that seems fine until the moment it stabs you in the back. |
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| 17:45.23 | Lunessa | foxlit: stabbing in the back is baked right into the system! It's a feature! |
| 17:45.53 | foxlit | Lunessa: Some neurotoxin... for science? |
| 17:47.08 | Lunessa | "And remember, this is for posterity so be honest. How do you feel? " |
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| 17:50.42 | Ackis | I need help with potatos |
| 17:52.22 | zenzelezz | peel them, then boil them |
| 17:52.44 | haste | no |
| 17:53.11 | haste | peel them, cut them in boats, put them in a glassthingy, add oil, add spicey, put it oven |
| 17:54.23 | Dagmar | Man style: wrap in tinfoil, put in fire. |
| 17:54.50 | foxlit | ^ Actually pretty good |
| 17:55.04 | haste | put in tinfoil, add oil, add spices, put on grill |
| 17:55.07 | zenzelezz | would have to be aluminium foil over here |
| 17:55.17 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.28 | haste | do the same with onions btw |
| 17:55.29 | haste | so awesome |
| 17:55.34 | haste | drop spices then! |
| 17:56.00 | Lunessa | slice them thin, use a little oil or bacon fat, chopped onions and bacon and fry them for heart-stopping deliciousness. |
| 17:56.26 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.39 | zenzelezz | I actually have a roll of aluminium foil that I bought last year after I moved here... used it once :-| |
| 17:56.47 | haste | you suck :( |
| 17:57.27 | Lunessa | haste: it's a breakfast food when served with eggs and toast, or a dinner side when served with veggies and an entrée. |
| 17:57.39 | Lunessa | And now I am hungry. |
| 17:57.54 | haste | is always hungry. |
| 18:01.24 | zenzelezz | my coworkers laugh at me when I say that I get bored while eating |
| 18:01.45 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: so do i |
| 18:02.00 | zenzelezz | laugh at me or get bored? |
| 18:02.11 | Thunder_Child | get bored |
| 18:02.31 | Lunessa | I would laugh at you. While you were eating. |
| 18:02.54 | Thunder_Child | but then he would not be bored |
| 18:02.55 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: you would be justified if it was because of the speed at which I eat... it's slooow |
| 18:02.59 | Lunessa | Just one of the many services we can provide you for a nominal fee. |
| 18:03.25 | Thunder_Child | i hate to kill Lunessa's free enterprise, but i will laugh at people for free |
| 18:04.01 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Actually, eating slowly is apparently very good for you in terms of controlling portions and overall enjoyment of a meal. |
| 18:04.23 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: yes, but I'm less than my ideal weight by some margin :) |
| 18:04.44 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I'm more than my ideal weight by some margin. |
| 18:05.31 | Thunder_Child | sometimes, i really hate english |
| 18:05.35 | Grouch11 | i worked in the bar/restaurant industry for a really long time. I always eat standing up and in less than 90 seconds now. |
| 18:05.59 | Grouch11 | its hell on a relationship. lol |
| 18:06.11 | Ackis | you know what, you're all a bunch of bastards :P |
| 18:06.22 | Grouch11 | what? ordering pizza now? |
| 18:06.24 | Grouch11 | ;p |
| 18:07.16 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'll have you know that my parents were married at the time of my conception and still married at the time of my birth. |
| 18:11.06 | zenzelezz | "It's a common fact among seagulls that if you get eaten by a whale, you suck at being a seagull" |
| 18:11.35 | Grouch11 | i dont know if whales eat seagulls? do they? |
| 18:12.00 | zenzelezz | I think that's why you suck if you manage to |
| 18:12.11 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 18:12.19 | Lunessa | Orcas eat seals, but I don't know that any deliberately eat seagulls. |
| 18:12.34 | Grouch11 | seems like alot of work. |
| 18:13.11 | bluspacecow | http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6472645/best-of-dorkly-charizards-revenge |
| 18:13.17 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 18:14.19 | karl_w_w | ok this is absolutely driving me up the wall, why am I getting this error: function arguments expected near ')' -- from this line of code: events:SetScript("OnEvent", lib:EventHandler) |
| 18:14.34 | zenzelezz | try lib.EventHandler |
| 18:15.00 | zenzelezz | I *think* : is only used when defining the function, and when calling it |
| 18:15.05 | zenzelezz | not when specifying as a parameter |
| 18:15.21 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 18:15.32 | Arrowmaster | you can only use : when () is also part of it |
| 18:16.18 | karl_w_w | when i put the brackets in, it cant find the function |
| 18:16.37 | zenzelezz | don't use () |
| 18:16.46 | zenzelezz | you're not calling the function, you're using it as a parameter |
| 18:16.54 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:18.32 | karl_w_w | with the . in place of the : it doesn't complain, but it also doesnt work :P |
| 18:21.08 | karl_w_w | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/149144 <- it's not printing hi! at all |
| 18:22.37 | Arrowmaster | move the setscript below the function definition |
| 18:22.53 | zenzelezz | many languages read top to bottom |
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| 18:23.24 | bluspacecow | http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6476317/lazy-guy-with-a-portal-gun |
| 18:23.27 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 18:24.21 | karl_w_w | <3 |
| 18:24.27 | karl_w_w | thanks geniuses |
| 18:25.45 | zenzelezz | can't speak for the rest, but I'm just a fool who's done the mistakes before |
| 18:28.34 | karl_w_w | the difference is insignificant |
| 18:28.55 | Grouch11 | its just that many languages require you to declare all functions prior to the function main() type of function. |
| 18:29.15 | Grouch11 | at which point it doesnt matter how they follow in the code |
| 18:29.52 | Grouch11 | prototypes. more typing, less confusion. |
| 18:34.11 | Arrowmaster | right, lua processes one line at a time |
| 18:34.28 | Grouch11 | which is kind of cool. |
| 18:34.46 | Grouch11 | i really like the reduced need for syntax bs like ";" |
| 18:35.11 | Arrowmaster | you can do the same in lua though if you only define functions call a single function at the very end like other languages |
| 18:35.13 | Grouch11 | and the heavy table structure that it uses makes sense in my brain. |
| 18:35.26 | Grouch11 | right |
| 18:36.05 | Grouch11 | i really like this irc channel. ive learned so much in here just from scrolling up from time to time. |
| 18:36.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah lua is an amazing language, i wish other languages were influenced by it more |
| 18:36.32 | Grouch11 | really, though. im ignorant to the reasons.. none of my coding buddies have ever even heard of it |
| 18:37.20 | Grouch11 | from what i can gather there are shortfalls that I am unaware of in the current proprietary usage that wow requires. |
| 18:37.36 | Grouch11 | so its not so effective for some reason or another in other venues. |
| 18:37.45 | Grouch11 | anyone know anything about that? |
| 18:38.24 | Arrowmaster | the main thing is that lua is small and doesnt have a large standard library like python or ruby |
| 18:39.00 | Arrowmaster | so it gets ignored a lot for general purpose uses |
| 18:39.14 | Grouch11 | but the user created libraries are widely available it seems |
| 18:39.54 | Grouch11 | the lack of a solid protocol, then? the inability to guarantee compatibility on the dev side? |
| 18:39.58 | Arrowmaster | that is true but people like standard libraries or libraries so popular they are almost standard libraries |
| 18:40.12 | Grouch11 | that makes sense |
| 18:41.02 | Grouch11 | can anyone name some other current noteworthy Lua applications? |
| 18:41.20 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29#Other |
| 18:41.21 | Grouch11 | not like programs but usage |
| 18:41.48 | Grouch11 | cool |
| 18:41.58 | Grouch11 | not a very long list |
| 18:41.59 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 18:42.20 | Arrowmaster | thats only because its wikipedia so they trim it to 'noteworthy' stuff |
| 18:42.57 | Grouch11 | it seems like the common theme is using Lua in situations where end users may modify settings or what not by hard coding. maybe to reduce learning curves. |
| 18:43.05 | zenzelezz | and because many don't think to go to Wikipedia to say "hey, we use it too" |
| 18:43.13 | Grouch11 | yeah |
| 18:43.15 | Grouch11 | good pt |
| 18:44.29 | zenzelezz | next first of April Blizzard should announce WoW's switching from lua to perl |
| 18:44.56 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Nah, ActionScript |
| 18:44.57 | Grouch11 | so, is there a reason that the large Lua library doesnt exist? i mean, isnt that alone what held python up for a while? |
| 18:45.06 | zenzelezz | actionscript isn't so cryptic |
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| 18:45.21 | Lunessa | But I know perl. :P |
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| 18:45.22 | Arrowmaster | lua is ment to be small and embedable |
| 18:45.36 | Grouch11 | ah, so the idea is to have modular libraries |
| 18:45.37 | Arrowmaster | which is one reason why it doesnt have real regexp |
| 18:45.43 | Grouch11 | i c |
| 18:45.57 | Arrowmaster | python is quite fucking huge now |
| 18:46.09 | Grouch11 | so, its a niche language, period. |
| 18:46.26 | Grouch11 | but python went kinda sour for a while in the late 90's |
| 18:46.30 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: *you* may know perl, but most people don't |
| 18:46.35 | Lunessa | It doesn't really need regex; that kind of stuff more properly belongs in the hosting application. |
| 18:46.53 | Arrowmaster | the one thing that keeps me from learning python and ruby or other languages is that im so used to the lexical scoping in lua that any language without it now seems broken to me |
| 18:47.43 | zenzelezz | they don't have lexical scoping? Or just different? |
| 18:48.11 | Arrowmaster | well its different |
| 18:48.22 | Grouch11 | its pass by reference |
| 18:48.29 | Arrowmaster | lexical scoping without global by default is kinda broken |
| 18:48.45 | Grouch11 | youve just got to use references instead of variables |
| 18:49.01 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: So... pointers make you nuts? |
| 18:49.02 | Grouch11 | its just different |
| 18:49.04 | Arrowmaster | the ruby creator has even said that he now realizes that is one of the major flaws of the language |
| 18:49.25 | Lunessa | (trick question, they make everyone nuts) |
| 18:49.45 | Grouch11 | id like to learn other languages in more depth. im c++ and Lua for the most part, aside from a glancing knowledge. |
| 18:49.59 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: so if I understand you right, you feel it's best if a variable is global unless otherwise specified? |
| 18:50.17 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: thats the only way to do proper lexical scoping |
| 18:50.52 | Grouch11 | what would be a recommended next language to really learn? im considering java, for its earning power. |
| 18:50.57 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: I'm not good with the techno-jargon around lexicality. I like C++'s way |
| 18:51.05 | Grouch11 | i really like that about Lua also. |
| 18:51.23 | Lunessa | java is evil. so is visual basic. And perl. |
| 18:51.26 | Arrowmaster | for earning power go learn COBOL |
| 18:51.32 | Grouch11 | really? |
| 18:51.43 | Grouch11 | why |
| 18:51.43 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: That's ... false. And Cruel. |
| 18:51.47 | kd3 | still probably the most used language in old-school business apps |
| 18:51.47 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 18:51.48 | zenzelezz | and I hate in PHP how a global variable isn't visible inside a function unless you "redeclare" it inside the function with "global $blah;" |
| 18:52.03 | Grouch11 | yeah.. thats what he's talking about |
| 18:52.24 | Arrowmaster | <kd3> still probably the most used language in old-school business apps <-- and since they have all fired their COBOL programmers by now, when something happens and they need one they will pay BIG |
| 18:52.29 | Lunessa | However, learning COBOL and FORTRAN are good things. |
| 18:52.39 | kd3 | yup |
| 18:52.56 | Lunessa | Even if all they do is prepare you for learning other languages. |
| 18:53.03 | Grouch11 | latin, then? |
| 18:53.10 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 18:53.43 | Lunessa | COBOL and FORTRAN do what they do very, very well. Like knowing Lisp or ADA it's a strong foundation. |
| 18:53.56 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what languages would be considered the best to know for when the 2k38 fix rush happens |
| 18:54.18 | Grouch11 | i want to write a couple of free android apps. i have a buddy that makes quite a bit off of a couple of really small, simple apps. there are tons of ide's for it and the hard code is java.. so thats where my thinking was. |
| 18:54.23 | Lunessa | I expect we'll be seeing C and C++ for many decades still to come. |
| 18:54.44 | Grouch11 | i think that c++ is more relevent now as a baseline of knowledge. |
| 18:54.46 | zenzelezz | the major flaw with Android/iOS apps is people think they will get rich off them |
| 18:54.54 | Grouch11 | no one is talking about getting rich |
| 18:55.08 | zenzelezz | Grouch11: I'm speaking in general, not just your case |
| 18:55.24 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: same with stuff like facebook apps |
| 18:55.32 | karl_w_w | c# is the way forward :P |
| 18:55.33 | Grouch11 | but he made 65k last year off of two apps. projecting 125 this year off the same ones. just a dude like me.. knows java. |
| 18:55.42 | Arrowmaster | its impossible now to make money on new facebook apps |
| 18:55.45 | zenzelezz | we have many potential customers ask us about making apps, where their main idea is "in app purchases, we'll be rich!" |
| 18:56.10 | nevcairiel | You dont even need to sell apps, just produce a good one and put an ad in it |
| 18:56.16 | Grouch11 | no, you go free and make the ads tricky. the ads pop in different spots.. so you accidentally click them. |
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| 18:56.27 | Grouch11 | as long as the app is worth the trouble.. and his are |
| 18:57.10 | zenzelezz | making money by tricking users is not something I approve of |
| 18:57.18 | Grouch11 | he has a paid, add free version that has minimal extra features. |
| 18:57.21 | Lunessa | Smart 'phones' and tablets are transitional products. They're the beginning of the shift away from the desktop to the mobile, always-always connected sort of computing some of us have been envisioning for decades. I'm not sure how far the swing will go, but I give smart phones no more than the real life span of say... CDs. |
| 18:57.26 | Grouch11 | if they want to not be tricked, they can pay 99cents |
| 18:57.34 | Grouch11 | if they want something free.. they can click an ad once in a while |
| 18:57.56 | Arrowmaster | im seriously waiting for the phone carries to declare that advertising is using too much bandwidth and they are going to start blocking it or redirecting it all with their own so they make money from it |
| 18:58.29 | Grouch11 | when money made off of the % they take < what that would earn .. it will be. |
| 18:58.59 | Arrowmaster | wireless is the one area that i dont support unrestricted net neutrality |
| 18:59.13 | Grouch11 | with all the streaming video, i think its pretty clear that bandwidth is is not the issue |
| 18:59.18 | Lunessa | Well, how many of you remember 8-track tapes? Or bought a 45-rpm single? |
| 18:59.33 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: im only 24 |
| 18:59.39 | Grouch11 | lunessa you're comparing apples to spaceships |
| 18:59.50 | Grouch11 | does not compute |
| 18:59.52 | Lunessa | I know you're a punk Arrowmaster. I've see you. :P |
| 19:00.17 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: although i do have an 8track of woodstock and some other very rare ones |
| 19:00.58 | Lunessa | Grouch11: No, I'm pointing out that those were our 'media' devices - less than 40 years ago. the CD is irrelevant now, and that tech is only 30 year in the commercial field. |
| 19:00.59 | Grouch11 | i have the 7 inch pearl jam "ALIVE" promo. lol. |
| 19:01.03 | Grouch11 | the only record i still own |
| 19:01.19 | Lunessa | DVD has had what, about 10 years? |
| 19:01.30 | Grouch11 | but we're talking about mobility. |
| 19:01.31 | Arrowmaster | honestly dvd was bad to begin with |
| 19:01.33 | Lunessa | And it's pretty much on the way out. |
| 19:02.18 | Grouch11 | unless youre saying that smartphones will evolve into more tablet type things, then i can agree. its very obvious to me, at least, that the worldwide usage of the internet will be dominated by mobile devices very soon. |
| 19:02.25 | Lunessa | I think smartphones and tablets will be like that, only perhaps shorter before something game-changing comes along. |
| 19:03.05 | Grouch11 | there are too many ants in the grass. using the internet. |
| 19:03.15 | Arrowmaster | right now smartphones and tablets are only really good for people that dont normally use a desktop more than they absolutely have to |
| 19:03.25 | Arrowmaster | they are too restrictive for power users |
| 19:04.46 | Grouch11 | but as they get cheaper(mobile devices) the number of non 'power users' will grow and grow. the poweruses category is more stable in terms of volume. |
| 19:04.53 | Lunessa | I'm just saying that change is happening in ways we're not thinking about in more than broad terms. A lot of you don't really remember "life before the internet" - because you've had it your entire adulthood. |
| 19:05.35 | Lunessa | I mean, shit... my fucking phone has more computing power than the Apollo 11 capsule. |
| 19:05.58 | Arrowmaster | entire adulthood? |
| 19:06.01 | Grouch11 | i feel like the only thing that could remove mobile devices from the leaderboard is an organic chip.. which is still a mobile device. |
| 19:06.20 | Arrowmaster | im 24 and have been using the internet since the early 90s |
| 19:06.30 | Arrowmaster | yes thats pre win95 |
| 19:06.36 | Lunessa | You're entire adulthood + |
| 19:07.02 | Grouch11 | im 32 and have been using it since that same time... but coherently. |
| 19:07.09 | Grouch11 | lol arrow hasnt even entered adulthood yet. |
| 19:07.26 | Grouch11 | :P |
| 19:07.46 | Lunessa | I work with students who watch movies from the 80s and ask where everyone's cell phones are, or why they went to a library instead of googling something |
| 19:07.55 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:07.58 | Grouch11 | hah |
| 19:08.11 | Lunessa | Because to them... it has always been there. |
| 19:08.14 | kd3 | is old enough to at least remember life before google |
| 19:08.18 | Grouch11 | for sure. |
| 19:08.19 | kd3 | altavista? dogpile? |
| 19:08.29 | Lunessa | webcrawler? |
| 19:08.30 | zenzelezz | Altavista <3 |
| 19:08.32 | Grouch11 | lol. netscape |
| 19:08.33 | Arrowmaster | make them watch old scifi ish stuff |
| 19:08.38 | zenzelezz | and Astalavista |
| 19:08.43 | kd3 | lol |
| 19:08.45 | Arrowmaster | oh oh, old knightrider |
| 19:08.52 | Lunessa | And I see the pace of change accelerating. |
| 19:08.54 | Grouch11 | what about quake teamfortress |
| 19:08.55 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 19:09.04 | Grouch11 | 14.4 connection. snipin folks. |
| 19:09.10 | Arrowmaster | where hes playing the racing game on the screen in the car on i think ep2 or ep3 |
| 19:09.15 | Lunessa | Because we can do more, faster, cheaper, and the infrastructure has built out enough to support innovation. |
| 19:09.24 | kd3 | hell, I was online before that. 9800bps on prodigy |
| 19:09.28 | kd3 | expensive times, that |
| 19:09.35 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah! prodigy! |
| 19:09.42 | Lunessa | kd3 yeah, paying by the minute. |
| 19:10.03 | Lunessa | Data rates during business hours were twice what they were at night. |
| 19:10.09 | Grouch11 | haha. what about the first portable by compaQ? my mom had it. took four 5inch floppies to boot up. about 6 minutes. |
| 19:10.27 | Grouch11 | had a 3 inch green screen. |
| 19:10.35 | Grouch11 | was bigger than a gaming desktop. |
| 19:10.38 | Grouch11 | and heavier |
| 19:11.01 | Arrowmaster | i have an old portable IBM that uses 2 low density 3.5 floppies |
| 19:11.05 | Grouch11 | but it had a carrying handle, and need only to be plugged in.. so that made it portable. |
| 19:11.19 | Arrowmaster | it even has a dot matrix printer that attaches to the back! |
| 19:11.20 | Lunessa | So, I expect that something very awesome will be what replaces your phone or tablet in about 10 years. But I also expect that it will still have code written in C, C++ and maybe Java on it. |
| 19:12.02 | Grouch11 | what though? what can you, in your wildest dreams, envision that would be more user-friendly and efficient than the smartphone? |
| 19:12.29 | Lunessa | That's the trouble. |
| 19:12.29 | Arrowmaster | neural interface, duh |
| 19:12.36 | Lunessa | I wouldn't have imagined smartphones 10 years ago. |
| 19:12.50 | kd3 | neural interface is probably next, hell the tech's nearly there |
| 19:12.51 | Arrowmaster | didnt they exist 10 years ago |
| 19:12.53 | Lunessa | Because nothing really prepared me for computers that small |
| 19:13.14 | Lunessa | And cameras still needed chemical film |
| 19:13.15 | Grouch11 | laptops did |
| 19:13.21 | Grouch11 | 10 years ago |
| 19:13.21 | Grouch11 | no |
| 19:13.35 | Grouch11 | i had an 8 megapixel canon 8 years ago |
| 19:13.39 | Grouch11 | i bought for 600 bucks |
| 19:13.46 | Lunessa | The first digital cameras were more like 13-15 years ago, but my point still stands. |
| 19:14.12 | Ackis | I'm bad at life |
| 19:14.18 | Ackis | right Fisker? |
| 19:14.20 | Lunessa | I had a 1.5 mega pixel camera I bought in 98. |
| 19:14.25 | Arrowmaster | i remember seeing the early 'smartphones' around 10 years ago, they were just a phone and a windows CE PDA combined |
| 19:14.42 | Grouch11 | my point is- there is a floor in the the minisculity of the devices. we are of a size and dexterity that requires a certain level of tangibility in our devices. |
| 19:14.42 | Arrowmaster | didnt really have net access from what i remember |
| 19:15.05 | Lunessa | Yeah, they weren't really phones though. They were things like the Apple Newton, the Palm Pilot and various windows "decks" |
| 19:15.26 | Lunessa | Grouch11: I expect other input means to be devised. |
| 19:15.35 | Grouch11 | nonetheless.. if you didnt see phones and palms converging, you were just missing the boat, |
| 19:15.55 | Grouch11 | lunessa, that i can agree with |
| 19:16.10 | Lunessa | There's a really great TED discussion about some projects for wearable computers that did gestures for input and some vocal commands. |
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| 19:16.25 | Grouch11 | it will be nice to not be known as 'fatfingers' by my text recipients. |
| 19:16.32 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: when i had a palm3 i was seeing the combination phone and windows pda's already |
| 19:16.34 | Lunessa | I saw /something/ happening, just not what did happen. |
| 19:16.49 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I'm talking earlier. |
| 19:17.39 | Lunessa | So I'm not sure I'm qualified to say what the future really will look like, just that it'll be smaller, faster, and in a shape we don't currently expect. |
| 19:18.25 | foxlit | Lunessa: SELECT ALL DELETE DELETE DELETE! |
| 19:18.39 | Arrowmaster | anybody remember that commercial with the guy sitting on the park bench wearing a thing that looped over his ear like a headset but had a tiny little screen on it infront of his eye and he was doing all kinda of gestures and vocal commands scaring the pidgins |
| 19:18.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: Dragon Naturally Speaking! |
| 19:18.47 | Arrowmaster | what the hell was that commercial for |
| 19:19.08 | Grouch11 | arrowmaster: dockers. |
| 19:19.33 | Arrowmaster | that was a fucking old commercial too |
| 19:19.33 | foxlit | "three times faster than typing" |
| 19:19.35 | Lunessa | Google up some of the AT&T commercials for their "You will" campaign. |
| 19:19.41 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder how they arrived at that number. |
| 19:20.05 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MnQ8EkwXJ0 |
| 19:20.30 | Lunessa | See what they thought TODAY would look like... in '93 and '94 |
| 19:21.22 | Sinopsis | if i do table.insert(myTable,"orange"), why does myTable["orange"] return nil? |
| 19:21.42 | foxlit | what should it, in your opinion, return? |
| 19:22.26 | Grouch11 | myTable[1] |
| 19:22.30 | Sinopsis | i'm new to lua, so its very possible i'm misinterpreting the examples i've found |
| 19:22.44 | Sinopsis | I need to test for the value of the string though.. |
| 19:22.56 | Grouch11 | or if myTable[i] == "orange" inside a for |
| 19:23.14 | zenzelezz | Sinopsis: you're inserting a value, but looking up a key |
| 19:23.27 | Grouch11 | youre creating an indexed table. you can only gather data from it by looking thru the keys |
| 19:23.31 | Sinopsis | foreach(member in raid) { insertraidimemberintable}; foreach(member in guild) { if member not in othertable, insert } |
| 19:23.58 | Sinopsis | ok, so i just need to make a quick function to iterate through the table and look for my value to determine if its in there? |
| 19:24.17 | Grouch11 | if you want to be able to find "orange" in a single query you need to declre it as a key. myTable["orange"] = "orange" or whatever |
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| 19:24.29 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: i only counted 6 things in that video that havent happened yet |
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| 19:24.46 | Sinopsis | hmm...one sec |
| 19:24.50 | Lunessa | And I was your age when those were on TV |
| 19:25.03 | Grouch11 | it depends sin. is this going to be happening in combat? |
| 19:25.31 | Thunder_Child | "Come to Santa Monica College for "Hands Across California" join the human chain from Sacramento to San Diego" if that thing is unbroken, i will be amazed |
| 19:25.34 | Lunessa | It's the future already. |
| 19:27.21 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: test by passing a current through them? |
| 19:27.21 | Sinopsis | no grouch |
| 19:27.21 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: the most amazing game of telephone ever |
| 19:27.21 | Grouch11 | then iterating should be fine |
| 19:27.21 | foxlit | Yowch. |
| 19:27.21 | Arrowmaster | they were phone booth video phone, home voice activated door locks, entire cart at once supermarket checkout, video conferencing with auto translation, drivers license renewal at ATM, and personal assistant in computer |
| 19:27.21 | foxlit | Look, if you're going to be using a table to answer "is this in my list?" queries, stuff whatever it is you're checking as keys into the table |
| 19:27.46 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I have trouble finding a phone booth at all. :) |
| 19:27.49 | foxlit | lua> t = {}; t["one"], t["two"], t["n"] = true, true, true; if t["one"] then print("One is in the list."); end if t["x"] then else print("x is not in the list"); end |
| 19:27.50 | lua_bot | foxlit: One is in the list., x is not in the list |
| 19:27.57 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: yeah they are dead now |
| 19:27.59 | Grouch11 | and upvalue that table if its nested deep in another table. |
| 19:28.10 | foxlit | But in this case, you don't need to use a table. |
| 19:28.39 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: questionable one was cell phone in watch, but i swear ive actually seen that before but its just a failed idea |
| 19:28.40 | foxlit | Since you can pass a name to Unit* functions and they'll respond if it's a player in your group. |
| 19:28.51 | Lunessa | And in the last one where the guy's phone is in his watch... right idea (super portable communications) and wrong idea (watch) |
| 19:29.05 | Lunessa | Heh.. I was typing that as your message came up. |
| 19:29.06 | foxlit | What is it with the hate on watches? |
| 19:29.19 | foxlit | People are like "We don't need no watches, we have cell phones!" :( |
| 19:29.29 | Grouch11 | lol |
| 19:29.34 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: personally ive never worn a watch on my wrist in probably 15 years |
| 19:29.35 | zenzelezz | I feel naked without a wristwatch |
| 19:29.41 | Lunessa | foxlit: I like watches. They just aren't a must have device anymore. |
| 19:29.57 | Arrowmaster | i have a metal allergy to nickel so i cant wear most wrist watches |
| 19:30.13 | zenzelezz | if I had to choose between leaving my wristwatch or my mobile at home, I'd leave the mobile |
| 19:30.25 | foxlit | They do make those cool leather backs if you're allergic to contact, too. |
| 19:30.48 | Arrowmaster | the problem was at the time most had metal buttons on the sides |
| 19:30.49 | foxlit | It's just that pulling out your mobile phone to tell the time seems so... inconvinient. |
| 19:30.59 | Sinopsis | I want a list thats sorted 2 different ways...i want everyone thats in a historical table in the list, but people who are in the current raid sorted to the top, then everyone else at the bottom, in alphabetical order each subsection |
| 19:30.59 | Lunessa | I still have a few watches packed away somewhere, but I haven't worn one for about 5-6 years. |
| 19:31.09 | foxlit | Not that you couldn't do that, but perhaps I need better pockets to actually make it work. |
| 19:31.14 | Sinopsis | I figured i needed to use a table for that, all I need are the unit names |
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| 19:32.31 | Arrowmaster | i used a pocket watch before people started using cell phones as watches |
| 19:32.52 | foxlit | Those seem cool. |
| 19:33.00 | Lunessa | those are cool |
| 19:33.08 | foxlit | they have the potential to be cool. |
| 19:33.13 | Arrowmaster | they werent cool in middle school |
| 19:33.32 | foxlit | Use one as a yo-yo on anyone who states otherwise. |
| 19:33.38 | Lunessa | Well, as long as it's not something Flava Flave would wear. |
| 19:33.44 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 19:33.49 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://i55.tinypic.com/33utxg0.gif |
| 19:34.12 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 19:34.34 | bluspacecow | that cat |
| 19:34.37 | bluspacecow | is special |
| 19:34.43 | Arrowmaster | ill say |
| 19:38.20 | Ackis | potato |
| 19:41.03 | karl_w_w | oh wow |
| 19:41.09 | karl_w_w | firefox 4.0.1 is out |
| 19:41.34 | karl_w_w | that ruins my last lingering hope that they wouldnt really be screwing up firefox like this |
| 19:41.39 | zenzelezz | why's that wow? |
| 19:41.46 | zenzelezz | minor releases are common |
| 19:42.38 | karl_w_w | oh ok its still in beta according to the release notes |
| 19:43.32 | Alram | Adys, Ralth says I get 4 potatoes if I beat you at robot unicorn attack. True Y/N? |
| 19:43.44 | Adys | sure whatever |
| 19:43.51 | Jamash | goddamn microsoft why you gotta make things so difficult |
| 19:43.53 | Adys | find me highscore and ill send you a potato |
| 19:43.53 | Alram | goddamnit |
| 19:45.17 | zenzelezz | Jamash: what now? |
| 19:45.36 | Jamash | windows 7 requires a registry edit to support NTLM authentication |
| 19:45.46 | karl_w_w | ok, so if you disable addon loader, the addons that use it just dont load :P |
| 19:46.12 | Jamash | spent like 3 hours trying to connect to a PowerPC mac via SMB |
| 19:46.30 | Jamash | Windows 7 says "your password is wrong jerkface" which it isn't |
| 19:46.32 | Cide | I think powerpc is your problem |
| 19:46.39 | Jamash | look it's not my computer |
| 19:46.47 | Adys | I think you're your problem |
| 19:46.55 | Jamash | I think mondays are your problem |
| 19:47.11 | karl_w_w | I think fridays are my problem |
| 19:47.21 | Adys | I think you both are each other's problems |
| 19:47.35 | Jamash | so anyway when I followed the directions in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/954387 it started working |
| 19:48.05 | Cide | IT'S SATURDAY, SATURDAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON SATURDAY |
| 19:48.13 | Cide | TOMORROW IS SUNDAY, MONDAY COMES AFTERWARDS |
| 19:48.14 | Jamash | oops spoke too soon, now it doesn't like the shared printer |
| 19:48.17 | bluspacecow | who you going down on cide ? |
| 19:48.20 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: please kick Cide |
| 19:48.24 | Adys | permanently. |
| 19:48.31 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 19:48.32 | bluspacecow | Adys |
| 19:48.35 | bluspacecow | i love you |
| 19:48.36 | Jamash | sui cide |
| 19:48.42 | Adys | bluspacecow: now is not the time |
| 19:48.48 | Dagmar | It's Caturday |
| 19:48.49 | karl_w_w | to talk about time |
| 19:48.53 | karl_w_w | we do not have the time |
| 19:48.55 | Dagmar | Tomorrow is Bunday. |
| 19:49.03 | Thunder_Child | Adys: +1 |
| 19:49.04 | bluspacecow | which seat CAN I TAKE! |
| 19:49.12 | Adys | mine |
| 19:49.16 | Adys | as long as you give it back |
| 19:49.18 | Adys | GIVE IT BACK |
| 19:51.51 | bluspacecow | *giefs it back* |
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| 19:53.37 | karl_w_w | is addon_loaded fired on a reload? |
| 19:53.37 | bluspacecow | ho to you stew-a |
| 19:53.48 | bluspacecow | what seat can i take stew-a ? |
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| 19:55.13 | Adys | Cide: ping |
| 19:55.42 | karl_w_w | Adys: packet loss - 100% |
| 20:02.38 | Sinopsis | next question :) I have a FauxScrollFrame..it works fine as long as I have more data in my list than I do text elements in the scroll frame, but when i have less, i cant see anything |
| 20:02.56 | Sinopsis | ie. my frame has 30 checkbuttons, if i only have 23 items in my data list, nothing shows....>=30 and its golden |
| 20:05.18 | Dagmar | That's a question? |
| 20:05.28 | Dagmar | What are you going to do with label-less checkboxes? |
| 20:05.59 | Sinopsis | well..the question is why do i see nothing, and correction on the above, they only show up if my list is >30, not >= |
| 20:07.41 | Sinopsis | i really have no clue what i'm doing, i was told I should use checkboxes, so thats what I was trying, i need a list of people (scrollable) that I can "select" one of them and have them stay highlighted |
| 20:08.33 | Cide | Adys: pong |
| 20:09.02 | Adys | Cide: is there an easy way to hide a field from an autogenerated form? |
| 20:09.04 | bluspacecow | poooo take a shower !@ |
| 20:09.11 | Adys | (i dont want to use editable=False as I want it in the admin) |
| 20:09.19 | Adys | it's a m2m field |
| 20:10.25 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFsV_rcSVA |
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| 20:26.38 | Lunessa | Can someone run out and fetch me a nap? I'd appreciate it, thanks. |
| 20:29.04 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.12 | Grouch11 | they sell real nice naps at the DMV. |
| 20:29.15 | Lunessa | How YOU doing? |
| 20:29.24 | Cairenn | *giggle blush* |
| 20:29.30 | karl_w_w | no Cairenn, don't smother Lunessa! :o |
| 20:31.13 | Cide | Adys: yes, you can define exclude |
| 20:31.19 | Adys | eg? |
| 20:31.36 | Cide | class Foo(ModelForm): class = Blah, exclude = ("field",) |
| 20:31.44 | Cide | err, shouldn't be a comma after Blah |
| 20:31.46 | Adys | k thanks |
| 20:31.53 | Adys | and uh |
| 20:31.55 | Cide | at least I think that's the attribute name :P |
| 20:31.56 | Adys | yea |
| 20:32.02 | Adys | thanks |
| 20:32.11 | Cide | it'd be under meta though |
| 20:32.38 | Cide | class Foo(ModelForm): class Meta: model = Blah exclude = ("field",) |
| 20:32.41 | Cide | ^ proper syntax |
| 20:33.58 | Adys | yea figured |
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| 20:49.28 | Jamash | oh man I need to finish the next revision of Learning Aid before portal 2 comes out or I'll never finish it |
| 20:50.38 | Xinhuan | i'll only buy portal2 when it comes on sale :p |
| 20:50.45 | Xinhuan | like 50% off |
| 20:51.15 | Xinhuan | plus Learning Aid is trigerring on mobile banking every time i zone |
| 20:51.26 | Xinhuan | ignoring it doesn't work |
| 20:52.06 | karl_w_w | is a frame shown by default when u create it? |
| 20:52.15 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:53.26 | Jamash | Xinhuan: I KNOW |
| 20:53.42 | Jamash | I'm pedaling as fast as I can |
| 20:53.43 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 20:53.56 | Xinhuan | its been bugging me for several months |
| 20:54.04 | Xinhuan | until i disabled the addon ;p |
| 20:55.16 | Jamash | Moushiwake arimasen deshita |
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| 20:55.59 | widgertick | Moo |
| 20:56.20 | widgertick | is happy now. |
| 20:59.51 | Cairenn | pouncehugs widgertick! |
| 21:01.11 | Cairenn | happy is good! |
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| 21:09.56 | Cide | grr |
| 21:10.09 | Cide | what's up with the "login pattern change" error? |
| 21:10.25 | Cide | it says it's sent me an email where I can verify my new location but that hasn't happened in over an hour |
| 21:11.29 | Adys | on what? |
| 21:12.06 | Cide | world of warcraft? |
| 21:12.13 | Adys | oh |
| 21:12.14 | Adys | dunno |
| 21:12.36 | Adys | checked spam? |
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| 21:16.27 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:26.14 | Sinopsis | i'm nearing the end of my first addon that has ANY GUI at all...and I need some direction on the last part please |
| 21:26.36 | Sinopsis | I need a scrollable list of items that i can just mouse over for tooltip |
| 21:26.50 | Sinopsis | whats the best way to accomplish this? |
| 21:27.04 | Adys | you prefer xml or lua? |
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| 21:27.19 | Sinopsis | dont really have a preference, totally new to the gui stuff |
| 21:27.26 | Sinopsis | the UI i've done so far is in xml |
| 21:27.35 | Adys | lua is simpler |
| 21:27.37 | Sinopsis | but this list is dynamic |
| 21:27.59 | Adys | have a look at the wowprogramming.com reference for frame; especially ScrollFrame |
| 21:28.12 | Adys | try do a few simple frames first |
| 21:28.19 | Sinopsis | i have this as my data for the items ["ItemString"] = "item:68129:0:0:0:0:0:-135:1834221846:85:0", and ["ItemLink"] = "|cffa335ee|Hitem:68129:0:0:0:0:0:-135:1834221846:85:0|h[Stormwake, the Tempest's Reach of the Windflurry]|h|r", |
| 21:28.46 | Sinopsis | I have a scroll frame with 30 checkbuttons in it that i'm using to "select" the player i'm interested in |
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| 21:29.25 | Sinopsis | I guess the question is more, which control will I put in the scroll frame so that i can mouse over for the tooltips instead of having to click item links |
| 21:29.26 | Adys | look around for an addon or two that do similar gui stuff that you're looking for |
| 21:29.48 | Adys | its just a matter of an onenter/onleave |
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| 21:29.54 | Adys | you show gametooltip |
| 21:31.06 | Sinopsis | i'll work on it some more later...need to run to frys...thx |
| 21:36.08 | airtonix | 76m37dab2c9 |
| 21:36.13 | airtonix | ... |
| 21:36.37 | foxlit | no upper case? |
| 21:36.44 | airtonix | no this keyboard sucks |
| 21:36.49 | Adys | distinct lack of extended ascii characters |
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| 22:08.06 | karl_w_w | anyone on ptr and able to tell me if UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS still spams like a sonofabitch while you're queued for a BG? |
| 22:12.20 | Jamash | I will tell you if you remind me what the slash command to get the event log is in the blizzard devtools |
| 22:13.26 | Jamash | ah, it's /etrace |
| 22:13.53 | foxlit | yes it does |
| 22:14.14 | foxlit | Every bloody second, looks like it's updating the "time spent in queue" timer. |
| 22:14.15 | Jamash | the answer is yes |
| 22:15.36 | Jamash | arg1 appears to be which of the BGs you're queued for it's updating the timer for |
| 22:17.32 | Jamash | I <3 refactoring |
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| 22:42.07 | Jamash | hmm, what's a simple way to tell if a table is empty (making no assumptions about key types) |
| 22:42.49 | nevcairiel | if not next(table) then print("its empty!") end |
| 22:42.53 | Jamash | awesome |
| 22:43.30 | nevcairiel | next is basically the function behind pairs, if it doesnt return anything, the table is empty |
| 22:44.23 | Jamash | neato |
| 22:47.36 | foxlit | next(table) == nil |
| 22:47.46 | foxlit | t[false] is entirely possible |
| 22:49.47 | Jamash | ah, true |
| 22:50.16 | Jamash | I wish there were per-realm savedvariables |
| 22:51.55 | Fisker | yay nevcairiel |
| 22:52.08 | Fisker | "!!! WARNING !!! !!! WARNING !!! !!! WARNING !!!" |
| 22:52.16 | starlon | o.O |
| 22:52.22 | Fisker | "You are enabling fast boot, bla bla please refer to manual before doing so" |
| 22:52.26 | Jamash | quick poll: if you ignore a guild perk in learning aid, do you want that to apply to only that one character, all characters, or all characters in that guild? |
| 22:52.29 | Fisker | Goes get the manual: |
| 22:52.38 | Fisker | Fast Boot |
| 22:52.38 | Fisker | Enable or disable boot with initialization of a minimal set of devices required to |
| 22:52.38 | Fisker | launch active boot option. |
| 22:52.42 | Fisker | This is all it says |
| 22:52.55 | Fisker | (Which is the same as the bios help tip) |
| 22:52.58 | Fisker | so why the "WARNING" again? |
| 22:53.00 | Jamash | Fisker: INSERT TAIWAN |
| 22:53.05 | Fisker | indeed Jamash |
| 22:53.18 | Jamash | wait I told that wrong |
| 22:53.27 | Jamash | "MOISTEN NEEDLE BEFORE INSERTING TAIWAN" |
| 22:53.35 | karl_w_w | what's learning aid? |
| 22:53.53 | Jamash | my addon good sir what pops up buttans when you learn abilities and such |
| 22:54.23 | foxlit | Fisker: because some devices might not like not being initialized |
| 22:54.24 | karl_w_w | jiminy jillikers |
| 22:54.46 | Jamash | it has a command that searches your action bars for abilities you have learned but not put on your action bars |
| 22:55.04 | Jamash | it also has an exclusion list for abilities you really don't want on your action bars like say Auto Attack for priests |
| 22:55.21 | karl_w_w | i would think just that one character |
| 22:55.23 | Jamash | or Basic Campfire if you own lil' rag |
| 22:55.44 | karl_w_w | because I imagine some guild perks might be more useful for some classes than others |
| 22:56.12 | Jamash | well, there aren't many active ones, mobile banking, mass summon and mass resurrect |
| 22:57.28 | Jamash | I'll ask my users I guess |
| 22:57.31 | Fisker | boo hoo foxlit |
| 22:57.41 | Fisker | so i reboot it and disable it |
| 22:57.53 | Fisker | Message would lead one to believe that you're about to blow up the world |
| 22:57.54 | Fisker | THE WORLD |
| 22:58.06 | karl_w_w | im about to be one of those users Jamash :P |
| 22:58.11 | karl_w_w | do you feel special? |
| 22:58.15 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:58.18 | foxlit | Did you install a device to blow up the world in your PC? |
| 22:58.22 | Jamash | special like ed |
| 22:58.41 | Fisker | i wish i did foxlit |
| 22:58.48 | Jamash | Fisker: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=ASW-BLOWMOON&Category_Code=ASW#pic |
| 23:01.23 | airtonix | at least young kids will learn about home security in minecraft |
| 23:01.36 | airtonix | leaving door open = zombie surprise |
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| 23:03.59 | karl_w_w | Jamash when I ctrl click something in the frame, shouldnt it disappear from the frame? :P |
| 23:07.24 | Jamash | it should turn red |
| 23:07.24 | Jamash | yes, it's broken |
| 23:07.24 | Jamash | I don't remove it instantly in case you want to change your mind before you close the window |
| 23:07.24 | karl_w_w | smart |
| 23:07.24 | Jamash | you can middle-click to vanish it instantly |
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| 23:24.03 | Fisker | yus haste |
| 23:24.08 | Fisker | ubuntu finally boots |
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| 23:40.46 | Meorawr | So did Blizzard break scale animations in 4.1 entirely or is there a fix for them? |
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| 23:55.11 | Fisker | oh it's on now haste |
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