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| 00:03.17 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: So don't put them that close together |
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| 00:35.40 | Kandoko | Hrm, will add to my things to buy if I ever hit the lottery collection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh_qn62zny0 |
| 00:40.29 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how much it is |
| 00:41.28 | Kandoko | hrm custom made each according to the site. So one of those if you have to ask type deals figure 60k+ |
| 00:52.06 | Wobin | holy shit |
| 00:52.26 | Wobin | that is like the most awesome engineering ever |
| 00:53.48 | Kandoko | yeap, im a sucker for slick woodworking/engineering love unexpected stuff like that |
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| 01:17.09 | Gsuz | I'm trying to create a table with a name based on the chars current talent spec. |
| 01:17.18 | Gsuz | Can't figure out why this doesnt work |
| 01:17.18 | Gsuz | _G[VariablaName .. GetPrimaryTalentTree()] = {}; |
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| 01:20.34 | mckenziemc1 | what behavior are you seeing? |
| 01:22.28 | mckenziemc1 | you might want _G["VariableName" .. etc, but i can only guess |
| 01:25.37 | Cide | why the fuck would you want to do that |
| 01:25.46 | Cide | if it's a variable name you wouldn't ever want it as a string |
| 01:26.24 | Cide | there is nothing wrong with your syntax, Gsuz, but maybe your spelling or variable's value or return value of that function |
| 01:26.29 | Kandoko | lua> function foo() return "BB" end local var = "somestuff" local a = {var .. foo()} print(a[1]) |
| 01:26.29 | lua_bot | Kandoko: somestuffBB |
| 01:26.51 | Gsuz | yep that worked |
| 01:26.59 | Gsuz | knew it was something simple |
| 01:27.16 | Gsuz | was missing the " |
| 01:31.10 | mckenziemc1 | Cide: placeholder |
| 01:33.49 | mckenziemc1 | hey Cairenn |
| 01:33.53 | Cairenn | hi mckenziemc1 |
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| 01:40.18 | mckenziemc1 | anyone know the url where purl's logs get stored? |
| 01:40.43 | Arrowmaster | ~logs |
| 01:40.44 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
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| 02:13.54 | DWSR | Is there a way to place the new ground markers in some other way besides the default raid interface? |
| 02:14.03 | DWSR | I really would like to be able to place them without having to use the frames. |
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| 02:46.51 | Jamash | is it unusual for PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE to fire 1745 times at login? |
| 02:47.12 | Jamash | my guild has 234 characters in it |
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| 03:01.48 | Dagmar | WOw. I thought *we* had a lot of alts |
| 03:04.51 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 03:05.04 | Shirik | my guild has 433 members and 33 accounts |
| 03:05.09 | Shirik | which means the average account has 13 characters |
| 03:05.14 | Shirik | so someone broke the game |
| 03:05.39 | mckenziemc1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.05 | Slackwise | We're at 1044 members. :/ |
| 03:06.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: buhhh.... weeeird. You think maybe it's missing when someone deletes a toon? |
| 03:06.23 | Slackwise | Err, characters. |
| 03:06.36 | Shirik | It seems to jump around, so my guess is that it's the number of different accounts that have logged on since the server reset |
| 03:06.59 | Dagmar | I mean, I've been wondering about that myself since we've actually got about 12 people but over 100 toons on the roster |
| 03:07.17 | Shirik | 33 sounds about right for the number of recently-active people |
| 03:08.41 | mckenziemc1 | hmm, i'll try to remember to check mine asap after next server restart |
| 03:13.04 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYvjwmV-vwQ |
| 03:17.17 | Cide | my guild has like 500 chars! |
| 03:17.32 | Cide | and they all have more raid loot than Shirik |
| 03:17.38 | Shirik | FUCK YOU |
| 03:17.38 | mckenziemc1 | mine has 1 :( |
| 03:17.47 | Shirik | I got my first piece of boss loot like yesterday |
| 03:17.50 | Shirik | after raiding for 3 months |
| 03:17.51 | A-KO | omg minecraft :( |
| 03:17.59 | Shirik | Blizzard is evil |
| 03:18.09 | Shirik | and holy pally loot has dropped off like EVERY SINGLE BOSS |
| 03:18.09 | Slackwise | My guild has like 8 raid teams and approximately 1040 characters... |
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| 03:30.44 | Cide | Slackwise: do they all have more raid loot than Shirik? |
| 03:31.29 | Slackwise | I don't know. :P |
| 03:31.46 | Cide | uh-oh |
| 03:35.14 | mckenziemc1 | probably |
| 03:37.11 | Shirik | WTF |
| 03:37.16 | Shirik | "Monopoly electronic banking" |
| 03:37.22 | Shirik | Have we gotten that lazy that we can't do math anymore |
| 03:37.32 | Shirik | I loved being the banker |
| 03:38.53 | Dagmar | Just be glad they didn't incorporate leasing and mortgage scams into it |
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| 03:42.19 | mckenziemc1 | quick Shirik, integrate 2x^2 + x + ln(x) with respect to x |
| 03:42.28 | Cide | are you serious? |
| 03:42.36 | Shirik | 2/3x^3 + x^2 + 1/x |
| 03:42.39 | Shirik | +c of course |
| 03:42.44 | Cide | x^2/2, nub |
| 03:42.50 | Shirik | oops |
| 03:42.56 | Shirik | He made me do it fast :( |
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| 03:43.46 | mckenziemc | stupid AT&T :( |
| 03:44.56 | Kraps | hello |
| 03:45.22 | Cide | if you want Shirik to integrate something |
| 03:45.27 | Cide | why would you give him the simplest function error |
| 03:45.40 | Cide | mckenziemc: integrate e^(-x^2) |
| 03:45.46 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:46.03 | mckenziemc | Cide |
| 03:46.05 | mckenziemc | are you serious? |
| 03:46.10 | Cide | yes |
| 03:46.12 | Cide | you have 10 seconds |
| 03:46.36 | Shirik | stop that Cide |
| 03:46.41 | Cide | stop what |
| 03:46.43 | mckenziemc | it's the cdf, btw |
| 03:46.55 | Shirik | it's defined in terms of itself |
| 03:46.58 | mckenziemc | no nvm |
| 03:48.09 | Cide | you ran out of time |
| 03:48.33 | mckenziemc | your point? |
| 03:48.44 | Cide | if you want to challenge someone, give him a challenge! |
| 03:48.46 | mckenziemc | besides, what is this function error you speak of |
| 03:48.57 | Cide | function error? |
| 03:49.00 | Shirik | error function |
| 03:49.06 | Cide | that's not quite the same |
| 03:49.07 | Shirik | that's what he gave you, more or less |
| 03:49.09 | mckenziemc | (8:45:24 PM) Cide: why would you give him the simplest function error |
| 03:49.19 | Cide | oh, lol |
| 03:49.21 | Cide | function ever* |
| 03:49.28 | Cide | I was thinking error function too |
| 03:49.54 | Cide | but the error function is 2/sqrt(pi)*int(e^(-t^2), t=0..x) |
| 03:50.06 | Cide | so it's not quite the same as it involves the definite integral |
| 03:52.14 | Shirik | that doesn't change my statement that the solution to your question is defined in terms of itself |
| 03:52.15 | mckenziemc | i didn't want to give him something impossible, and it's been too long since i've done any calculus to remember what works :( |
| 03:52.29 | mckenziemc | it isn't |
| 03:52.42 | mckenziemc | or, i'm not sure to whom you're talking |
| 03:52.52 | Cide | it's not defined in terms of itself is it? |
| 03:52.55 | Cide | it's just not elementary |
| 03:53.02 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 03:53.19 | Cide | how so? |
| 03:53.20 | Shirik | definite integral from 0 to x is the indefinite integral with respect to x |
| 03:53.35 | Cide | assuming F(0) == 0 |
| 03:53.39 | Shirik | ok true |
| 03:53.44 | Cide | you lose |
| 03:54.18 | Cide | but it appears it is in this case |
| 03:54.42 | Cide | regardless, that doesn't mean that the integral is expressed in terms of the integral |
| 03:54.54 | Cide | only that we can't express it any other elementary way |
| 03:55.05 | mckenziemc | come to think of it |
| 03:55.10 | mckenziemc | did anyone even answer mine? |
| 03:55.11 | Cide | you could give me the series expansion for instance |
| 03:55.13 | mckenziemc | i got disconnected |
| 03:55.17 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:55.26 | Cide | not quite, since Shirik can't integrate x |
| 03:55.29 | Shirik | I did in less than 20 seconds |
| 03:55.30 | Shirik | stfu |
| 03:55.36 | mckenziemc | what was it |
| 03:55.37 | Shirik | He made me think too fast :( |
| 03:55.39 | Cide | 05:42 <@Shirik> 2/3x^3 + x^2 + 1/x |
| 03:55.50 | Shirik | 2/3x^3 + 1/2x^2 + 1/x !! |
| 03:55.51 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:55.55 | Shirik | fu |
| 03:56.14 | Cide | integral of x is 1/(2x^2) ?! |
| 03:57.13 | mckenziemc | 2/3x^3 + x^2 + 1/x is wrong though |
| 03:57.19 | Cide | no shit |
| 03:57.30 | Shirik | I said I corrected it! |
| 03:57.36 | Shirik | (20:54:57) (@Shirik) 2/3x^3 + 1/2x^2 + 1/x !! |
| 03:57.47 | mckenziemc | still wrong |
| 03:57.50 | Shirik | wat |
| 03:57.51 | Cide | lolno |
| 03:58.00 | mckenziemc | and Cide, don't give me that, you didn't give me the correction |
| 03:58.04 | Shirik | unless you're referring to (20:41:46) (@Shirik) +c of course |
| 03:58.05 | Cide | unless you're talking about the missing absolute value |
| 03:58.12 | mckenziemc | no |
| 03:58.22 | Cide | then it's right |
| 03:58.31 | mckenziemc | no |
| 03:58.34 | Kraps | http://memegenerator.net/Optimistic-Indie-Developer |
| 03:58.46 | mckenziemc | the integral of ln(x) with respect to x is x*ln(x)-x |
| 03:59.27 | Cide | yeah we're both retarded |
| 03:59.36 | Shirik | oh I went the wrong way |
| 03:59.36 | mckenziemc | (i admit to having to use my calculator, but i picked it because i knew it wasn't that simple) |
| 03:59.38 | Shirik | fail |
| 03:59.47 | Shirik | the derivative of lnx is 1/x |
| 04:00.59 | Shirik | I blame Cide |
| 04:01.08 | Shirik | oh! |
| 04:01.12 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 04:01.14 | Shirik | I got to use calculus at work again yesterday |
| 04:01.27 | Shirik | I also had to get together with a mechanical engineer |
| 04:01.40 | Cide | did you end up differentiating when you were going to integrate again |
| 04:02.05 | Cide | I admit I did the same mistake |
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| 04:02.17 | Cide | but I don't program airplanes do I |
| 04:02.22 | mckenziemc | haha |
| 04:02.41 | Shirik | no |
| 04:02.54 | Shirik | But this formula is aweesome |
| 04:03.03 | Cide | which formula |
| 04:03.11 | Shirik | We send a value from 0 to 1 from the autopilot to the engine saying the percentage of throttle width |
| 04:03.20 | Shirik | We wanted to figure out a way to determine that the throttle servos were stuck |
| 04:03.25 | Shirik | But the servos give us no feedback |
| 04:03.46 | Shirik | So instead we're going to do a mini-simulation inside the aircraft so the aircraft can figure out when the output thrust is not what it should be based on the expected throttle width |
| 04:05.05 | Cide | sounds pretty cool |
| 04:07.15 | Shirik | I still haven't figured out how I'm actually going to implement it |
| 04:07.21 | mckenziemc | i should go over the stuff in my calculus books |
| 04:07.24 | Shirik | The problem is the mechanical guy lives in the world of matlab where integration is easy |
| 04:07.32 | Shirik | in C++, that's not so true |
| 04:07.34 | mckenziemc | there's a lot of stuff i should do, but i play wow too much :( |
| 04:07.56 | Cide | Shirik: do you need to integrate dynamically? |
| 04:08.05 | Cide | otherwise you can just do it by hand |
| 04:08.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:08.15 | Cide | and do you need the analytical function |
| 04:08.19 | Shirik | I doesn't have a real formula |
| 04:08.22 | Shirik | no |
| 04:08.24 | Shirik | It* |
| 04:08.35 | Cide | otherwise you can just pick a numerical approximation |
| 04:08.54 | Cide | matlab's numerical integration functions are all open source |
| 04:08.56 | Shirik | It's actually probably going to end up looking like a PID implementation |
| 04:09.20 | mckenziemc | just remember to tell us which flights NOT to board |
| 04:09.30 | Shirik | I don't work on aircraft that carry people |
| 04:09.37 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 04:09.54 | Shirik | I will also have you know that the things I work on are categorized by the state department as a missile |
| 04:09.56 | Dagmar | Well... not "carry", anyway |
| 04:10.13 | Cide | even better |
| 04:10.17 | mckenziemc | watch out Dagmar |
| 04:10.21 | Cide | Shirik's coding instructs MISSILES |
| 04:10.31 | Shirik | obtw |
| 04:10.38 | Shirik | did you hear about the guy that tried to sell a UAV on ebay? |
| 04:10.42 | Cide | haha no |
| 04:10.46 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 04:10.46 | Dagmar | Oh yeah. Hehehe |
| 04:10.54 | Dagmar | I would 'ave bid on that |
| 04:11.04 | Shirik | I doubt you would have won |
| 04:11.10 | Shirik | the winners were US customs agents |
| 04:11.26 | Shirik | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372440/E-busted-Man-arrested-FBI-sting-selling-U-S-spy-drone-internet.html |
| 04:11.30 | Dagmar | Good. |
| 04:11.43 | Dagmar | My interest would have been getting it to give it back to whatever military lost it |
| 04:12.02 | Dagmar | 'cuz I'm pretty sure they could handle writing a check for what I would have bid |
| 04:12.31 | Shirik | ITAR is something you really don't want to mess with |
| 04:12.45 | Dagmar | I'm fine with guns, but I don't believe "just anyone" should own a UAV |
| 04:12.51 | Shirik | you can get away without any major consequences by violating EAR |
| 04:12.59 | Shirik | but violating ITAR is a good way to get you locked up for a long time |
| 04:13.06 | Shirik | don't worry the US agrees with you Dagmar :P |
| 04:13.17 | Shirik | There are insane restrictions on the sale of UAVs |
| 04:13.24 | Shirik | mostly because they're considered military weapons |
| 04:13.29 | Cide | and missiles |
| 04:13.37 | Dagmar | Yeah I kinda look on it as civic duty to try to intercept and re-route that sort of stuff |
| 04:13.37 | Cide | and nobody outside the US should be able to see Shirik's code |
| 04:13.46 | Shirik | very true! |
| 04:14.01 | mckenziemc | or know about the integration mistakes contained within |
| 04:14.10 | Shirik | hey |
| 04:14.13 | Kraps | which seat should i take? |
| 04:14.14 | Shirik | my code is awesome |
| 04:14.14 | Dagmar | I know from experience if something winds up in your hands that they misplaced, they don't really get upset about it being returned. |
| 04:14.20 | Cide | yeah Shirik |
| 04:14.24 | Shirik | OH |
| 04:14.27 | Cide | which side of airplanes is safest |
| 04:14.29 | Shirik | I'm not sure I told you |
| 04:14.35 | Dagmar | You're not supposed to own fuel rods as a civilian either |
| 04:14.48 | Shirik | I managed to use a pointer-to-member, a variadic macro, and a variadic function all at the same time on friday |
| 04:15.06 | Dagmar | Someone screwed up and shipped a load of stuff to an "odd bits and pieces" electronics shop around here. |
| 04:15.16 | Shirik | what do you mean "which side is safest" cide? |
| 04:15.26 | Dagmar | There was some discussion about it in the community when we noticed. heh |
| 04:15.27 | mckenziemc | the side Fisker's not on |
| 04:15.56 | Dagmar | Nice navy guys came and picked it up more or less immediately when we called them |
| 04:15.56 | mckenziemc | unless airtonix is on that side, then, go with Fisker |
| 04:16.45 | Cide | well I figure (I don't know if this is a myth but it makes sense) that if car drivers steer away from accidents (which makes the passenger side less safe), maybe something equivalent applies to planes |
| 04:17.14 | Shirik | not really |
| 04:17.14 | Cide | I figure the safety is more a function of where in the plane you're situated rather than the side, however :P |
| 04:17.19 | mckenziemc | Coriolis forces! |
| 04:17.33 | Shirik | In airplanes there's this thing called ACAS |
| 04:17.49 | Dagmar | You might splatter slightly less in one seat than the other. |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | it communicates with two planes on a collision course to cause one to go up and to the left or right, and the other down and the other direction (well actually the same direction, but you get the point) |
| 04:18.29 | Shirik | But left or right isn't standard, it's just whatever it determines to be better |
| 04:18.49 | Shirik | All airplanes you'll be on have more than one engine, and they intentionally make them spin in opposite directions to counteract gyroscopic effects, etc. |
| 04:18.55 | Shirik | so it should be more or less symmetrical |
| 04:19.11 | Cide | what about 3 engine planes |
| 04:19.31 | Shirik | that's what we call a bastardization of aerospace engineering |
| 04:19.35 | Cide | lol |
| 04:19.42 | Shirik | and yes I know there's that one plane with an engine on its tail |
| 04:19.51 | Dagmar | I was gonna say "you turn on noclip" |
| 04:20.07 | Shirik | fact of the matter is it's not going to make enough of a difference |
| 04:21.24 | Cide | even so |
| 04:22.14 | Shirik | let me break it down for you |
| 04:22.14 | Cide | the chance of survival in, say, a crash, must be a function of where in the plane you are situated |
| 04:22.24 | Shirik | this is how symmetrical planes are |
| 04:22.34 | Cide | I'm not talking x axis but y axis now |
| 04:22.37 | Shirik | the average commercial airliner has 3 flight computers, one in the center, one in the left wing, and one in the right wing |
| 04:22.58 | Cide | above or below deck? |
| 04:23.19 | Shirik | I suspect that's dependent upon the plane |
| 04:23.30 | Shirik | The important thing is to get 3 computers in distinct locations |
| 04:23.59 | Shirik | now as for front-to-back |
| 04:24.49 | Shirik | I'm not sure I can think of anything that would affect safety in that direction |
| 04:25.18 | Cide | there has to be |
| 04:25.29 | Shirik | You might be able to consider debris |
| 04:25.33 | Cide | if a plane goes down nose first clearly the cockpit can't be a good place to be in |
| 04:25.37 | Shirik | that would likely impact the back more than the front |
| 04:25.49 | Shirik | If a plane goes down nose first there's bigger problems |
| 04:25.57 | Shirik | It's actually rather difficult to get the nose down |
| 04:26.00 | Cide | yeah but there has to be statistics on how planes usually crash |
| 04:26.38 | Shirik | in that situation I suspect there would be no survivors |
| 04:26.48 | Cide | really? |
| 04:26.59 | Shirik | There is the one strange failure mode where the front landing gear fails |
| 04:27.07 | Cide | I would think the passengers in the back would get more of a cushion |
| 04:27.11 | Shirik | Pilots are trained to land on the back two wheels |
| 04:27.15 | Shirik | and then the front slams down |
| 04:27.25 | Shirik | but in those cases I don't think I've ever heard of any major injuries even from the pilots |
| 04:27.30 | Dagmar | A cushion of "what" is the question that springs to mind. |
| 04:27.37 | Cide | the plane's body, of course |
| 04:27.43 | Cide | same thing as how cars are designed |
| 04:27.44 | Shirik | an aluminum cusion |
| 04:27.48 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:27.51 | Dagmar | Seat belts are mainly to try and make corpse identification easier, as far as I know |
| 04:27.51 | Kraps | check the ailerons |
| 04:27.59 | mckenziemc | the correct answer is "dead bodies" |
| 04:28.07 | Cide | you want to maximize the time over which the impulse is delivered |
| 04:28.10 | Kraps | y so morbid Dagmar |
| 04:28.16 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's a LOT of ke to absorbe |
| 04:28.21 | Cide | naturally |
| 04:28.28 | Cide | but even so it must account for something |
| 04:28.29 | Shirik | I really doubt it would make that much of a difference |
| 04:28.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, you splatter slightly less |
| 04:28.56 | Xinhuan | this is a strange topic |
| 04:28.56 | Cide | depends on the velocity |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik | I think the most likely partial-survivor scenario is a lateral crash |
| 04:29.12 | Shirik | in which case it would probably be better to be in the aisle seats |
| 04:29.16 | Dagmar | Well, the velocity is "you were just flying" |
| 04:29.24 | Dagmar | So... a lot most of the time |
| 04:29.48 | Cide | if you're crashing I'd expect the pilot to try and bring down the velocity right before the crash |
| 04:29.57 | Cide | you wouldn't really be crashing at travel speeds |
| 04:29.58 | Shirik | and how do you do that Cide |
| 04:30.02 | Shirik | hm? |
| 04:30.11 | Shirik | (hint: this is a trap) |
| 04:30.12 | Dagmar | The only times I've heard of people regularly surviving have been either just before or after takeoff, and with some of the really dinky planes |
| 04:30.19 | Cide | trap how? |
| 04:30.20 | Xinhuan | turn off the engine! (lol) |
| 04:30.26 | Shirik | that's not enough Xinhuan |
| 04:30.29 | Dagmar | MTSU has a flight school and Norway sends people over there to learn |
| 04:30.32 | Shirik | there's one more step necessary |
| 04:30.33 | Cide | same way you would land, except your landing involves crashing |
| 04:30.34 | mckenziemc | reverse thrust? |
| 04:30.39 | Shirik | You pull up |
| 04:30.41 | Xinhuan | and something to do with |
| 04:30.44 | Xinhuan | the wing flaps |
| 04:30.51 | Dagmar | The crash on average a plane every two years, but they're the flying lawnmower types so *most* of the time they make it |
| 04:30.52 | Shirik | And when you pull up, you're no longer talking about a nose collision |
| 04:30.53 | Cide | you don't necessarily need to pull up do you |
| 04:31.03 | Cide | that's just further backthrust by using physics |
| 04:31.05 | Shirik | If you don't pull up your airspeed is not going to slow |
| 04:31.24 | Cide | you don't really pull up while going down to land do you? |
| 04:31.28 | Shirik | You cannot dive and lose airspeed unless you're going really, really fast |
| 04:31.34 | Cide | or maybe it's too little to notice |
| 04:31.35 | Shirik | and if you're going that fast you're already talking about disintegrating anyway |
| 04:31.39 | Shirik | yes yo udo |
| 04:31.41 | mckenziemc | not so much to stall, but yes |
| 04:31.42 | Cide | it's obvious the seconds right before landing |
| 04:31.49 | Shirik | it's called a flare |
| 04:32.24 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flare_(aviation) |
| 04:32.33 | Shirik | When a fixed wing aircraft approaches the ground, the pilot will move the control column back to execute a flare or round-out. This increases the angle of attack. |
| 04:32.42 | Cide | right |
| 04:32.47 | Cide | but that's as it approaches the ground, yeah? |
| 04:32.58 | Shirik | Well yes |
| 04:33.07 | Shirik | Obviously if you were pulling up the whole time you wouldn't get to the ground... |
| 04:33.21 | Cide | but the speed decreases before said flare? |
| 04:33.23 | Shirik | but even so, you don't usually point the nose down, even during the landing procedure |
| 04:33.46 | Shirik | generally nose down is a really bad thing |
| 04:33.51 | Shirik | and it's also very difficult to maintain |
| 04:33.55 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik | physics just doesn't allow for it |
| 04:34.22 | Arrowmaster | except maybe in a fighter jet |
| 04:34.31 | Shirik | well it's still bad in a fighter jet |
| 04:34.37 | Shirik | they just are trained on how to deal with it :P |
| 04:34.50 | Cide | alternative theory |
| 04:34.51 | Shirik | Honestly, fighter jets are more closely related to flying bricks with rockets |
| 04:34.59 | Cide | you want to sit as close to the cockpit as possible since the pilots want to save themselves?! |
| 04:35.24 | Shirik | The B-2 really IS a flying brick |
| 04:35.33 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: vs the spaceshuttle which is just a flying brick with no rockets? |
| 04:35.47 | Shirik | At least the space shuttle has some sense of aerodynamics |
| 04:35.56 | Arrowmaster | not much |
| 04:36.30 | Dagmar | It was modeled after a kingfisher penguin's aerodynamics. ;) |
| 04:36.31 | Cide | needs more stealth |
| 04:37.31 | Shirik | anyway seriously I think probably the aisle seats are the safest, but beyond that you don't really have any control |
| 04:37.39 | Cide | think so? |
| 04:37.46 | Cide | what's the argument for aisle seats? |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | (21:28:07) (@Shirik) I think the most likely partial-survivor scenario is a lateral crash |
| 04:38.00 | Shirik | (21:28:19) (@Shirik) in which case it would probably be better to be in the aisle seats |
| 04:38.29 | Dagmar | If you really want to live, you need to not be in the plane when it plants. |
| 04:38.44 | Cide | lateral crash == on the whole belly? |
| 04:38.57 | Shirik | You heard it from Dagmar first: Jump out of a plane that is falling out of the sky |
| 04:39.06 | Shirik | Lateral crash meaning impacts to the side |
| 04:39.15 | Cide | how would that work |
| 04:39.22 | Shirik | Think of an approach with a severe crosswind |
| 04:39.25 | Dagmar | Well, ideally you'd have a chute |
| 04:39.27 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 04:39.40 | Shirik | the plane doesn't land parallel with the runway but rather at an angle |
| 04:39.50 | Shirik | If it's too sharp, you risk skidding out sideways |
| 04:40.04 | Cide | so aisle would still be safer than opposite side? |
| 04:40.18 | Shirik | I'm more concerned about the "bashing your head on the side" |
| 04:40.30 | Cide | true |
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| 04:40.57 | Shirik | But really a pilot shouldn't be making that landing anyway |
| 04:40.58 | Cide | but this has to be weighed in with how many crashes happen due to severe crosswind |
| 04:41.34 | Shirik | It is very common for pilots to land in crosswind, and they really do the landing by approaching the runway at an angle |
| 04:41.49 | Shirik | but it's a practiced procedure and it's not really all that complicated |
| 04:41.51 | Cide | right, but that doesn't involve crashing :P |
| 04:42.02 | Shirik | if it's too strong, they simply won't make the approach |
| 04:42.13 | Shirik | Amusingly I did a simulation with a 50 knot crosswind the other day |
| 04:42.18 | Kraps | this made me lol http://www.vevo.com/watch/katy-perry/et/USCA31100006 |
| 04:42.53 | Shirik | Considering we do approaches with a 54 knot TAS, it took forever to get into position |
| 04:43.04 | Shirik | and after that the plane was landing at like a 90 degree angle :P |
| 04:43.18 | Cide | too ungoogleable acronyms imo |
| 04:43.23 | Shirik | true airspeed |
| 04:43.37 | Cide | what's the difference between TAS and velocity |
| 04:43.50 | Cide | (or speed I guess) |
| 04:44.08 | Shirik | ok so if there's a 50 knot headwind and you've got a 55 knot TAS |
| 04:44.16 | Shirik | then you're only moving at 5 knots |
| 04:44.20 | Cide | yeah |
| 04:44.21 | mckenziemc | oh true airspeed |
| 04:44.23 | Shirik | that's the difference |
| 04:44.46 | Cide | ah |
| 04:44.52 | Shirik | airspeed is important because that's what actually generates lift |
| 04:45.03 | Shirik | That's why when you have a tailwind you get toyour destination a hell of a lot faster |
| 04:45.08 | Shirik | because the plane MUST keep the same airspeed |
| 04:45.18 | Shirik | so that means it's going even faster |
| 04:45.24 | Cide | so TAS is in reality just speed |
| 04:45.28 | Cide | rather than engine output or whatever |
| 04:45.32 | Shirik | it's airspeed |
| 04:45.43 | Shirik | so it's your ground speed + wind |
| 04:45.51 | mckenziemc | it's speed relative to the air rather than to the ground |
| 04:46.07 | Arrowmaster | think of it like a boat in water |
| 04:46.08 | tekkub | no it's knot |
| 04:46.13 | Shirik | slaps tekkub |
| 04:46.21 | Thunder_Child | i hate you tekkub |
| 04:46.25 | tekkub | how knotty |
| 04:46.30 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 04:46.34 | Cide | even so |
| 04:46.43 | Thunder_Child | next blizzcon you go to...yer a dead man |
| 04:46.54 | tekkub | you'll forget by then |
| 04:47.05 | Thunder_Child | i never forget a punster |
| 04:47.11 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz as well |
| 04:47.31 | Cide | if your headwind equals your engine output or whatever you want to call it |
| 04:47.42 | Cide | then you would have TAS == speed == 0? |
| 04:47.46 | Shirik | no |
| 04:47.48 | Cide | why not |
| 04:47.49 | Shirik | Your groundspeed would be 0 |
| 04:47.58 | Shirik | your TAS would be the headwind |
| 04:48.03 | Shirik | (though in the opposite direction) |
| 04:48.17 | Shirik | Let me see if I can explain it another way |
| 04:48.21 | Shirik | Imagine a plane that's flying in a circle |
| 04:48.35 | Shirik | In order to maintain altitude, it must fly at a constant TAS |
| 04:48.41 | Cide | oh, nvm |
| 04:48.44 | Thunder_Child | TAS is what you are trying to achieve, groundspeed is what you are actually doing |
| 04:48.44 | Cide | I am tired |
| 04:48.58 | Arrowmaster | Cide: headwind = 50, TAS = 45, ground speed = -5 aka going backwards |
| 04:48.59 | Shirik | But if wind is blowing, that means at one side of the circle it will be flying at a higher angular velocity than at the other side |
| 04:49.07 | Cide | right |
| 04:49.11 | Cide | I'm not retarded people, just tired |
| 04:49.18 | Dagmar | Nah no one's thinkin that |
| 04:49.25 | tekkub | I was |
| 04:49.27 | Cide | ^ |
| 04:49.27 | Kraps | harrumps |
| 04:49.41 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Have you ever watched a bird do that? |
| 04:49.43 | Dagmar | I will hazard a guess you never played any of those *ruthlessly* technically accurate flight simulator games that were selling in the 90's |
| 04:49.44 | Shirik | I have |
| 04:49.47 | Shirik | he looked really confused |
| 04:49.54 | Thunder_Child | actually, i was kinda surprised Cide was not getting it |
| 04:50.00 | Arrowmaster | yes and you see it with model planes |
| 04:50.12 | Cide | I just misunderstood Shirik's initial definition due to tiredness and went with my idea |
| 04:50.19 | Arrowmaster | you also see all kinds of crazy shit with model planes |
| 04:50.30 | Arrowmaster | like helicopters flying upside down |
| 04:50.54 | Shirik | Cide: So when ATC tells you what speed to fly at, they always give you an airspeed, not groundspeed |
| 04:51.02 | Shirik | though they rarely do that nowadays |
| 04:51.05 | Shirik | but if they did |
| 04:51.06 | Kraps | i learned about tTAS etc with this game actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane%27s_USAF |
| 04:51.11 | Cide | that seems strange |
| 04:51.27 | Cide | I thought ATC was only concerned with how you actually move |
| 04:51.42 | Shirik | Well considering the performance of your aircraft depends on TAS, not groundspeed |
| 04:51.43 | Cide | whereas airspeed is mostly about keeping the airplane afloat which should be up to the pilot |
| 04:52.00 | Shirik | Well if they gave you a ground speed it could be impossible to maintain |
| 04:52.09 | Cide | right |
| 04:52.11 | Shirik | airspeeds they will give you something within the performance limits |
| 04:52.16 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/7586/ |
| 04:52.22 | Shirik | and it's guaranteed to work |
| 04:52.53 | Shirik | But in all honesty the only time they ever really giev you a speed is during takeoff/landing anymore |
| 04:53.02 | Shirik | the rest of the time they really don't care |
| 04:53.06 | Shirik | except in traffic |
| 04:53.09 | Cide | makes sense I guess |
| 04:53.38 | Cide | when the plane is in near proximity I guess they can guesstimate ground speed from air speed and actually gain some information? |
| 04:53.56 | Shirik | well basically every plane these days has a transponder |
| 04:54.00 | Cide | otherwise it just seems like they'd be doing the pilot's job without gaining any information |
| 04:54.01 | Shirik | which will tell them where it is |
| 04:54.08 | Shirik | they don't really need to know how fast you're going |
| 04:54.11 | Shirik | they just need to know where you are |
| 04:54.26 | Cide | well if they give you and airspeed they're effectively telling you how fast you should be going |
| 04:54.41 | Shirik | Usually when they do that their goal is to slow you down or speed you up |
| 04:54.44 | Cide | assuming the wind is known |
| 04:54.44 | Shirik | not tell you how fast to go |
| 04:54.50 | Shirik | so they know what your current TAS is |
| 04:55.00 | Shirik | and they'll just say something like 10 knots below that |
| 04:57.44 | Shirik | And now all you have to learn is how to read an ILS receiver and you can be a pilot :D |
| 04:58.03 | Shirik | Actually I don't even know if that knowledge is necessary to get a private license |
| 04:58.08 | Shirik | you don't really need it for VFR landings |
| 04:58.31 | mckenziemc | do you have to learn how to crash a plane "well" for a private license? |
| 04:59.07 | Shirik | I don't know, I don't have a private license :P |
| 04:59.19 | Shirik | I imagine they probably require emergency procedure knowledge |
| 04:59.21 | Cide | you should |
| 04:59.25 | Cide | gotta learn how to crash in style |
| 04:59.30 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 04:59.35 | Cide | alabama |
| 04:59.37 | Shirik | You lose communications with ATC |
| 04:59.40 | Shirik | What's your first step |
| 04:59.47 | Cide | disable the transponder |
| 04:59.52 | Shirik | .. |
| 04:59.54 | Shirik | bad Cide |
| 04:59.57 | Cide | and get out of the country |
| 05:00.11 | mckenziemc | call 911? |
| 05:00.13 | Cide | can you disable the transponder? |
| 05:00.15 | Shirik | though Cide was almost right in that he said the exact opposite thing you should do |
| 05:00.16 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:00.17 | Arrowmaster | let me guess, attempt the backup/emergancy radio channel? |
| 05:00.24 | Cide | oh it's not enabled by default? |
| 05:00.29 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:00.32 | Shirik | well |
| 05:00.34 | Cide | interesting |
| 05:00.36 | Shirik | It probably would have already been enabled |
| 05:00.38 | Arrowmaster | multiple modes |
| 05:00.41 | Shirik | but you do need to do something to the transponder |
| 05:01.06 | Arrowmaster | transponder is location plus status |
| 05:01.17 | Shirik | set squawk code 7600 |
| 05:01.43 | Shirik | that will tell ATC you've lost comms and will probably result in them getting everyone the hell out of your way |
| 05:02.09 | Arrowmaster | and possibly a fighter jet escort |
| 05:02.57 | Cide | what happens if you interpret 7600 as octal |
| 05:03.02 | Shirik | It is octal |
| 05:03.06 | Cide | oh shoot |
| 05:03.10 | Cide | hexadecimal then |
| 05:03.46 | Shirik | then you're screwed |
| 05:03.50 | Cide | sweet |
| 05:03.55 | Shirik | anyway |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik | 7600 = lost comms, 7700 = emergency |
| 05:04.12 | Cide | 7777? |
| 05:04.36 | Shirik | I think all 77 codes are interpreted as general emergency, but I'm not sure |
| 05:05.27 | Shirik | no looks like only 7500, 7600, and 7700 are reserved |
| 05:05.58 | Shirik | some ATC dude: |
| 05:06.00 | Shirik | When you squawk 7700 I still see your full acft call sign, type, speed and altitude in the data tag, but I also see EM flashing in your tag, and it sets off an alarm. |
| 05:06.00 | Shirik | Now to answer your question, I've seen acft using 7700 with the zeros being other numbers set off the alarm and have EM flash in the data tag. |
| 05:06.01 | Shirik | Like others have said, you will get our undivided attention if you squawk 7700. |
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| 05:06.59 | Cide | so what if you're in an emergency with lost comms |
| 05:07.08 | Cide | not much undivided attention coming your way then |
| 05:07.26 | Shirik | if you have an emergency beyond that of lost comms you always go to 7700 |
| 05:07.35 | Cide | figured |
| 05:07.37 | Shirik | they'll be able to figure out you can't hear them |
| 05:07.38 | Cide | should invent 7776 |
| 05:07.47 | Shirik | Usually they'll tell you something like "If you can hear us, IDENT" |
| 05:07.51 | Cide | where we can have 7777 represent emergency emergency |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik | and when you don't respond, they'll figure it out |
| 05:08.09 | Cide | is that when they bring in the fighter jets? |
| 05:08.26 | Shirik | Usually you just shift to VFR and ATC will take the job of getting people out of your way |
| 05:08.32 | Shirik | and then you land at your own discretion |
| 05:08.39 | Cide | nice |
| 05:08.46 | Cide | can you choose another country? |
| 05:08.51 | Shirik | uh no |
| 05:08.54 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 05:09.20 | Cide | that is unfortunate |
| 05:09.23 | Arrowmaster | maybe canada depending on your location and direction |
| 05:09.35 | Cide | I was thinking panama |
| 05:11.56 | Shirik | aha |
| 05:12.00 | Shirik | 7777 does have special meaning |
| 05:12.05 | Shirik | 7777 - Military Interceptor Operations, consult the VATSIM Special operation regulations before engaging in any Military Interceptor Operations. |
| 05:12.14 | Cide | oh NICE |
| 05:12.27 | Cide | that must be when the fighter jets come into play |
| 05:12.45 | Shirik | oh maybe that only applies to this world |
| 05:12.52 | Shirik | this is a virtual world rulebook I'm reading atm |
| 05:13.01 | Cide | lol |
| 05:13.03 | Cide | you are amazing |
| 05:13.18 | Shirik | It's pretty accurate with regards to how things are done in the real world |
| 05:13.40 | Shirik | ah apparently it is real-world |
| 05:16.00 | Shirik | Yeah so apparently 7777 is reserved for military interception procedures |
| 05:16.04 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 05:16.13 | Cide | that kinda makes you want to try it and see what happens |
| 05:17.01 | Shirik | that sounds like a good way to get your license revoked |
| 05:17.11 | Cide | that's why I'd have you do it |
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| 05:20.27 | Shirik | I would like to point out that I am not a pilot |
| 05:20.34 | Cide | even better yeah? |
| 05:20.41 | Cide | no license to be revoked |
| 05:20.51 | Cide | no license to revoke* |
| 05:20.53 | Shirik | therefore disclaimer: All my knowledge of flight rules is not advice on how to fly |
| 05:21.36 | Cide | anyway |
| 05:21.41 | Shirik | What I do know is mostly just picked up from pilots as they tell me random things, and then I periodically use google to fill in the gaps |
| 05:21.43 | Shirik | like this 7777 crap |
| 05:21.43 | Cide | is 7777 the highest you can go? |
| 05:21.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:21.49 | Shirik | it's a 4-digit octal number |
| 05:21.54 | Cide | figured |
| 05:25.18 | Shirik | in all honesty transponders are a very old technology that needs to be replaced |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | but there's a lot of resistance to that |
| 05:26.07 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 05:26.18 | Cide | anyway, I enjoyed this stream of consciousness but now I really need some sleep |
| 05:26.21 | Cide | good night! |
| 05:26.22 | Shirik | night! |
| 05:27.13 | Shirik | what should I make for dinner |
| 05:27.16 | Shirik | I think tacos |
| 05:27.32 | mckenziemc | idk, but whatever it is, make some for me |
| 05:34.04 | mckenziemc | ~trout Fisker |
| 05:34.05 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout! |
| 05:44.59 | mckenziemc | To avoid Fisker theft, do not use browser add-ons or features that allow scripts to be run in the background. |
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| 05:58.44 | Cairenn | hey Thaoky - just PM'd you back, but yeah, I just wanted to make sure you couldn't get yelled at or anything |
| 06:05.49 | Thaoky | Yeah, you did right |
| 06:06.30 | Thaoky | Honestly, I should have asked you upfront, that would have avoided the misunderstanding :) |
| 06:06.54 | Cairenn | naw, not like you need /my/ permission or anything, I was just trying to look out for you |
| 06:07.18 | Thaoky | .. and I thank you for that :) |
| 06:07.24 | Cairenn | someone reported it to us, so I knew that it might very well get reported to Blizz as well |
| 06:07.31 | Adys | Did Thaoky kiss someone appropriate again |
| 06:07.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:08.06 | Adys | was it Shirik. |
| 06:08.21 | Cairenn | now, ya wanna put it on your description page, or even in your "read me" doc, that'd be fine, Blizz has said you can as long as it's out of game |
| 06:09.27 | Cairenn | I am going to be asking for some clarification next week though, it is kinda grey |
| 06:09.34 | Thaoky | I'll review the options before doing anything, but as I told you in my last PM, I wasn't sure where the line was |
| 06:09.45 | Cairenn | Yeah, I know :) |
| 06:10.04 | Cairenn | It's not the first time it's come up, just really need them to set a solid line |
| 06:10.24 | Thaoky | that's exactly why I should have asked before doing it ! |
| 06:10.37 | Cairenn | s'all good, far as I'm concerned ;) |
| 06:10.52 | Cairenn | just depends on how anal they feel like being |
| 06:10.56 | Thaoky | yeah me too, just waiting on my upload to be approved on Curse's side |
| 06:11.15 | Thaoky | the old files have already been deleted |
| 06:11.17 | Adys | Cairenn: I was just saying the conversation was getting weirder and weirder given my last comment |
| 06:11.26 | Adys | but now you just set the line real far. |
| 06:11.47 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:15.01 | Adys | Shirik: /guildinfo only accounts members that have logged in since 4.x |
| 06:15.11 | Adys | although i think its just broken |
| 06:15.15 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 06:15.20 | Adys | well i don't |
| 06:15.26 | Shirik | I've seen it go down |
| 06:15.34 | Adys | everyone goes down with you |
| 06:15.50 | Shirik | that's kinda hot but I don't think it's quite relevant |
| 06:15.52 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 06:19.45 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqGQ72bre30&feature=player_embedded#at=45 |
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| 06:22.31 | Adys | that doesnt look anything like bruce lee |
| 06:23.16 | Adys | that said, it's pretty awesome |
| 06:23.51 | Shirik | oops |
| 06:23.56 | Shirik | someone just destroyed something at wikipedia |
| 06:24.53 | Shirik | hm, yay for failovers |
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| 06:30.44 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DilbertDailyStrip/~3/XGu6Yyjk_Bg/ |
| 06:32.42 | Shirik | nice |
| 06:35.13 | Adys | Shirik, help me out |
| 06:35.19 | Adys | >>> u'QUIT :args\r\n' |
| 06:35.24 | Adys | this is the right syntax, yeah? |
| 06:35.35 | Adys | to quit with reason "args" |
| 06:36.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:36.10 | Shirik | why |
| 06:36.11 | Adys | [07:34:38] *** Addybot has quit (Client Quit) |
| 06:36.11 | Adys | :( |
| 06:36.17 | Shirik | You probably weren't logged on long enough |
| 06:36.23 | Adys | um |
| 06:36.28 | Shirik | Freenode requires you to be on for something like 10 minutes before it will listen to your reason |
| 06:36.38 | Adys | that makes a lot more sense |
| 06:36.41 | Dagmar | Otherwise it'd be join-part spam, all day long |
| 06:38.48 | Shirik | also |
| 06:38.49 | Shirik | Adys |
| 06:38.52 | Shirik | EEEWWW PYTHON |
| 06:39.02 | Adys | suck on my genitalia |
| 06:39.13 | Adys | http://github.com/adys/python-irc |
| 06:39.18 | Adys | its unfinished i just noticed |
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| 06:40.21 | Adys | i dont really remember what's to implement though |
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| 06:50.33 | DJJeff | what saved variables file stores your actionbar items? |
| 06:50.58 | Adys | DJJeff: serverside |
| 06:50.58 | Xinhuan | depends on which action bar addon you use |
| 06:50.59 | Arrowmaster | none |
| 06:51.09 | Xinhuan | but if you don't use any, its generally on the server |
| 06:51.11 | DJJeff | serverside? really? |
| 06:51.15 | Adys | yes |
| 06:51.15 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 06:51.18 | Adys | where's Cide, I need his help :( |
| 06:51.23 | Arrowmaster | it has been forever |
| 06:51.53 | DJJeff | I use Bartender4 removed all my items from my actionbar and need to restore them somehow |
| 06:52.07 | mckenziemc | Cide went down for his daily maintenance cycle |
| 06:52.13 | Xinhuan | ah, bartender uses its own buttons, and stores them in an addon SV, not on the server |
| 06:52.15 | DJJeff | I do have screenshots I guess to try and put them back on by hand |
| 06:52.26 | Adys | addons can set/unset actions off actionbars |
| 06:52.33 | Adys | i remember bartender doing that to me once |
| 06:52.36 | Adys | lost a couple of bars |
| 06:52.43 | Xinhuan | you will need to go look for WTF\Account\(account)\Savedvariables\Bartender4.lua |
| 06:52.50 | Xinhuan | not sure if its char specific |
| 06:52.55 | DJJeff | hrmmm |
| 06:52.58 | Xinhuan | if it is, you will find it in the char specific file |
| 06:53.10 | Xinhuan | WTF\Account\(account)\(server)\(char)\Savedvariables\Bartender4.lua |
| 06:53.17 | Adys | erm |
| 06:53.24 | Adys | bartender doesnt have its own buttons |
| 06:53.34 | Adys | if you remove bartender you still see them |
| 06:53.46 | DJJeff | :( |
| 06:53.55 | Xinhuan | i thought it switched to some library that creates its own buttons |
| 06:54.04 | Xinhuan | so the keybindings all don't stick |
| 06:54.18 | Adys | that's unrelated |
| 06:54.25 | Adys | the actual actions are still saved serverside |
| 06:54.48 | Xinhuan | ok you're probably right then |
| 06:55.00 | Adys | in general, you cant create virtual actions |
| 06:55.03 | Xinhuan | actions saved on server, keybinds for them on client since its addon-created |
| 06:55.08 | Adys | otherwise you'd be able to go over the limit of 120 buttons / char |
| 06:55.26 | Adys | aye |
| 06:55.31 | Adys | sorry DJJeff you're gonna have to do it by hand |
| 06:55.39 | DJJeff | no worries |
| 06:55.49 | Adys | i'd say you could ask a gm to restore something |
| 06:55.57 | Adys | but they're going to tell you to delete your WTF folder |
| 06:56.00 | Xinhuan | i doubt it |
| 06:56.10 | Arrowmaster | doubt they even can |
| 06:56.11 | Xinhuan | generally when a second computer logs on the same account |
| 06:56.16 | Xinhuan | and messes around with the bars |
| 06:56.23 | Xinhuan | it tends to fuck it up for the first computer |
| 06:56.34 | Adys | Arrowmaster: who knows, they save weirder shit in their logs |
| 06:56.46 | Arrowmaster | good point |
| 06:57.21 | Arrowmaster | remember 2.4 when after first loggin in the combat log started displaying enchant messages for every single item you ever had |
| 06:57.36 | Xinhuan | weirder shit, like what? |
| 07:00.08 | Adys | er |
| 07:00.27 | Adys | like gear changes |
| 07:00.43 | Xinhuan | gear changes? |
| 07:00.44 | Adys | or breathe/fatigue data |
| 07:00.47 | Adys | yes |
| 07:00.50 | Adys | when you change your gear :p |
| 07:00.52 | Xinhuan | how do you know this lol |
| 07:01.59 | Xinhuan | well when you swap gear, there's assumably a db write somewhere that gets logged, so, not too surprised |
| 07:02.05 | Xinhuan | but the breathe/fatigue one... |
| 07:02.27 | Adys | oh, breath and fatigue is also written to the db |
| 07:02.37 | Adys | not regularly of course |
| 07:03.00 | Xinhuan | you'll be telling me every buff gain/loss is also recorded |
| 07:03.05 | Adys | no |
| 07:03.21 | Adys | actually that's probably logged in combat |
| 07:03.30 | Adys | but i dont know about that |
| 07:03.48 | Adys | and i know this because they're securities against item duplications from a while back |
| 07:04.04 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 07:04.09 | Xinhuan | how does fatigue help in duping items |
| 07:04.20 | Adys | well not that one |
| 07:09.19 | Xinhuan | do you know anyone that has duped items before? :) |
| 07:09.35 | Adys | um |
| 07:09.40 | Adys | not for a long time no |
| 07:10.00 | Xinhuan | i duped items before lol |
| 07:10.01 | Adys | i remember some karazhan exploit from a while back |
| 07:10.03 | Xinhuan | in wow |
| 07:10.20 | Adys | well |
| 07:10.25 | Xinhuan | it got fixed within 24 hours when i sent in the method |
| 07:10.28 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 07:10.30 | Adys | you can still technically dupe items with durations |
| 07:10.33 | Adys | but it's worthless |
| 07:11.03 | Xinhuan | my method allowed you to dupe any stack of prospectable ore |
| 07:11.44 | Adys | that rings a bell.. |
| 07:12.13 | Xinhuan | there was some race condition on the server side when you retrieved mail that added to an existing stack |
| 07:12.41 | Xinhuan | so if you prospected a stack of 5 ore (that will become destroyed), it becomes locked to 1 ore until the prospect is complete, but the mail retrieval adds to the stack |
| 07:13.07 | Xinhuan | so the stack doesn't get destroyed, and when you next zone somewhere, the duped stack appears in your bags |
| 07:13.25 | Adys | python: i want a special class to inherit either QSslSocket or QTcpSocket depending on a class arg; do I need to create two separate subclasses or is it possible with just one? |
| 07:19.40 | Arrowmaster | i have absolutely no clue what the fuck i am watching right now, which begs the question of why the hell am i watching it |
| 07:24.20 | Xinhuan | you are watching IRC text messages |
| 07:25.21 | Xinhuan | this is true when you see the message |
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| 07:45.12 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 07:45.29 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 07:45.44 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
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| 07:50.24 | mckenziemc | Fisker, i'm stuck |
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| 07:55.05 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 07:55.25 | mckenziemc | yay i unstucked |
| 07:55.30 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 07:55.38 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 07:55.46 | mckenziemc | and i found this cog thing in the grey chest |
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| 08:29.51 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:30.24 | Shirik | So, if a TV reporter hollers, âThe market is plungingâthe Dow is down 100 points!â most people instinctively shudder. But, at the Dowâs recent level of 8,000, thatâs a drop of just 1.2%. |
| 08:30.25 | Shirik | Now think how ridiculous it would sound if, on a day when itâs 81 degrees outside, the TV weatherman shrieked, âThe temperature is plungingâitâs dropped from 81 degrees to 80 degrees!â That, too, is a 1.2% drop. |
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| 08:34.01 | mckenziemc | mistake in the analogy though it still holds |
| 08:34.19 | mckenziemc | it's wrong to multiply fahrenheit by a factor : / |
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| 08:36.23 | Xinhuan | the difference is, that 1.2% could mean millions of dollars |
| 08:36.36 | Xinhuan | but the 1 degrees doesn't make a difference to humans |
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| 08:37.08 | Shirik | ok I think this is probably the most epic page of a book, ever: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8852dc55c433a0b3ac9e5c9ef017b2b5.png |
| 08:37.17 | Shirik | Xinhuan: Incorrect, btw |
| 08:37.23 | Shirik | 1.2% means nothing unless you choose to sell |
| 08:37.37 | Xinhuan | economists always look at opportunity costs |
| 08:37.43 | Xinhuan | so the opportunity to sell is there |
| 08:37.52 | Shirik | One lesson I've learned over and over again by reading this book is that quotes are useless except for finding good deals |
| 08:40.04 | Elkano | the only real indication that the stock market is f***ed up once more is if it starts to rain managers/brokers again... |
| 08:42.03 | Thaoky | I've worked 4 years in that industry, and the economic concepts that support it are f***ed up beyond belief |
| 08:42.16 | Shirik | that's why it's perfect |
| 08:42.24 | Shirik | Airplane crashes |
| 08:42.29 | Shirik | Stock drops way below normal |
| 08:42.46 | Shirik | A few days later everyone says "oh actually I guess that didn't really affect the business that much did it" |
| 08:42.48 | Shirik | price goes back up |
| 08:43.04 | Shirik | now tell me, what was the smart thing to do, sell while the price was falling like crazy? |
| 08:43.04 | Thaoky | and in the meatime, big moneymakers make even more money |
| 08:43.06 | Shirik | Or buy? |
| 08:43.13 | Shirik | The obvious answer is buy |
| 08:43.22 | Thaoky | indeed |
| 08:43.30 | Shirik | I think the easiest way to make money on the stock market is to take advantage of people's stupid emotions |
| 08:44.07 | bluspacecow | timmy fall down a well ? Oh noes :( |
| 08:44.18 | Thaoky | the thing is, you aren't alway the first to get the relevant piece of info, so once you know, it's often too late :x |
| 08:45.07 | nevcairiel | the price usually stays low after such an incident long enough to get into the buying |
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| 08:45.15 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 08:45.24 | Shirik | I'm actually watching southwest pretty heavily right now |
| 08:45.31 | Shirik | I suspect over the next few days its price is going to be very low |
| 08:45.40 | Shirik | If that happens I'm picking it up |
| 08:46.02 | Xinhuan | what happened to southwest? |
| 08:46.06 | nevcairiel | its usually not that heavy fluctuations to make easy money, its just a small bonus |
| 08:47.03 | nevcairiel | Like you said before, they talk about 1.2% as if its the end of the world |
| 08:47.24 | Thaoky | "it's just for the show !" :) |
| 08:47.28 | Shirik | Xinhuan: A hole got torn in one of its aircraft, had to do an emergency landing (no injuries). Now they're doing all kinds of inspections and delays. |
| 08:47.31 | Shirik | and cancellations |
| 08:47.41 | Shirik | Yes, that will eat into their profits |
| 08:48.02 | Xinhuan | how did the hole get there? |
| 08:48.10 | Shirik | I don't think anyone knows that right now |
| 08:48.18 | mckenziemc | gnomes |
| 08:48.21 | Shirik | I'm a fan of it having struck something |
| 08:48.42 | Shirik | it's really the only logical possibility I can think of, based on the pictures I've seen |
| 08:48.48 | Shirik | It doesn't look like anything stress could have done |
| 08:49.06 | Fisker | damn Shirik |
| 08:49.21 | mckenziemc | damn Fiskers |
| 08:49.31 | Fisker | damn mckenziemc |
| 08:49.52 | Fisker | damn Stanzilla |
| 08:50.10 | Xinhuan | damn must be angry birds |
| 08:50.11 | bluspacecow | @fisker hai2u |
| 08:50.28 | mckenziemc | no bluspacecow |
| 08:50.49 | mckenziemc | or should i say |
| 08:50.54 | mckenziemc | cyanvoidcattle |
| 08:54.02 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 08:54.11 | Fisker | i accidentally got past the game hitbox |
| 08:54.12 | bluspacecow | hey |
| 08:54.16 | Fisker | then i got past the boundary hitbox |
| 08:54.24 | Fisker | accidentally of course |
| 08:54.27 | bluspacecow | cyanvoidcattle? |
| 08:54.29 | bluspacecow | nice name |
| 08:54.35 | Fisker | then i by complete accident flew in the direction of GM island |
| 08:54.43 | Fisker | then i accidentally bypassed a couple of other boundaries |
| 08:54.50 | Fisker | then i was at GM island |
| 08:54.57 | Fisker | and then i accidentally did it again with a friend |
| 08:55.00 | Fisker | and now i'm banned :( |
| 08:55.07 | Shirik | seriously |
| 08:55.07 | Fisker | Blizzard = jerks |
| 08:55.25 | Shirik | whywouldyoudothat.jpg |
| 08:55.45 | mckenziemc | is this one of your unquoted quotes, Fisker? |
| 08:55.53 | Fisker | kinda yes |
| 08:56.04 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1917972897 |
| 08:56.14 | Adys | stupid question |
| 08:56.16 | Adys | what time is it? |
| 08:56.17 | Adys | gmt |
| 08:56.32 | Fisker | 9:56 |
| 08:56.37 | Adys | thats what i thought |
| 08:56.38 | Adys | https://encrypted.google.com/search?&ie=UTF-8&q=time+gmt |
| 08:56.41 | Adys | what's up with that |
| 08:57.03 | Fisker | well |
| 08:57.07 | mckenziemc | should be 8:56 as it says |
| 08:57.07 | Fisker | technically it's summertime i guess |
| 08:57.11 | karl_w_w | thats the time gmt |
| 08:57.30 | Adys | doesnt google take that into account? |
| 08:57.38 | karl_w_w | what? |
| 08:57.42 | Adys | summertime |
| 08:57.47 | mckenziemc | GMT is GMT |
| 08:57.50 | karl_w_w | no, because gmt doesnt move |
| 08:57.53 | Fisker | Adys GMT doesn't observe summertime :P |
| 08:57.54 | karl_w_w | o.O |
| 08:58.02 | Adys | not what i meant |
| 08:58.05 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 08:58.06 | Fisker | in the UK it's 9:57 |
| 08:58.10 | karl_w_w | no timezones move for daylight savings |
| 08:58.15 | Fisker | but GMT is one hour behind UK because the UK is in summertime |
| 08:58.34 | Adys | so what you're saying is it's 8:56 gmt :P |
| 08:58.36 | bluspacecow | *scratches face* |
| 08:58.37 | Fisker | yeah |
| 08:58.37 | Adys | not 9:56 |
| 08:58.39 | bluspacecow | itchy :( |
| 08:58.40 | Cairenn | yes |
| 08:58.43 | Adys | k! |
| 08:58.48 | Shirik | Summer time is known as BST |
| 08:58.52 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:58.59 | bluspacecow | *gets sheep clippers out* |
| 08:59.21 | Adys | k so secondary question |
| 08:59.37 | Shirik | no |
| 08:59.38 | Fisker | anyway bluspacecow |
| 08:59.40 | Fisker | doesn't that suck? |
| 08:59.42 | Shirik | you have exeeded your question quota for today |
| 08:59.50 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 08:59.51 | Jamash | UTC > GMT |
| 08:59.57 | Adys | how the hell do I disable time correction in plasma I HATE U SHIRIK |
| 09:00.25 | Fisker | what would you do if you accidentally flew to GM island bluspacecow ? |
| 09:00.30 | Fisker | and then did it twice? |
| 09:00.38 | Fisker | by accident of course |
| 09:00.47 | karl_w_w | gm island is empty and boring |
| 09:00.56 | karl_w_w | not that i would know |
| 09:00.57 | Fisker | very |
| 09:01.07 | bluspacecow | asked for that waitress they had last time who could do that thing with the egg and to also have another one of those raspeberry tart dishes |
| 09:01.24 | mckenziemc | wut |
| 09:01.26 | Xinhuan | Passengers told US media they heard a loud bang like a gunshot, then felt wind rush through the cabin. 'My husband and I looked up, you could see blue sky, you could see the wiring, the cabling,' passenger Debbie Downey told CNN. 'We looked at each other and thought - oh my gosh, this is not a good sign.' |
| 09:01.33 | Xinhuan | lol ok that's pretty exciting |
| 09:01.40 | Fisker | also Shirik |
| 09:01.43 | Fisker | where's my damn package? |
| 09:01.46 | bluspacecow | Re : being caught at GM island twice |
| 09:01.56 | Shirik | Jamash, that's actually incorrect |
| 09:01.57 | mckenziemc | and knowing it's called GM island |
| 09:02.01 | Shirik | Presently UTC < GMT |
| 09:02.07 | Shirik | by 61ms |
| 09:02.11 | Fisker | i think the map calls it GM island actually |
| 09:02.23 | mckenziemc | i think he was referring to it being "better" |
| 09:02.25 | Fisker | GMT is a jerk Shirik |
| 09:02.35 | Jamash | lua> print("UTC" > "GMT") |
| 09:02.40 | lua_bot | Jamash: true |
| 09:02.49 | Shirik | lua_bot has not been taught about DUT1 |
| 09:02.52 | Shirik | obviously |
| 09:05.09 | Shirik | also, Adys, :( |
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| 09:07.53 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL1qyndwfs4 |
| 09:09.05 | mckenziemc | DUT1? |
| 09:09.26 | airtonix | Da Udder Thing |
| 09:10.16 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUT_(time) |
| 09:16.45 | mckenziemc | slaps cyanvoidbovine around a bit with a timezone |
| 09:29.03 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ |
| 09:33.00 | Adys | Shirik:? |
| 09:34.36 | mckenziemc | "The dissipation of energy by tidal friction averages about 3.75 terawatts, of which 2.5 terawatts are from the principal M2 lunar component and the remainder from other components, both lunar and solar." |
| 09:35.28 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
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| 09:36.13 | Fisker | so what airtonix ? |
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| 09:46.43 | Fisker | mckenziemc mckenziemc1 mckenziemc mckenziemc1 mckenziemc mckenziemc1 |
| 09:50.04 | karl_w_w | Fisker? |
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| 09:58.05 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 10:02.20 | mckenziemc1 | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/167179/daxxarri-is-insulting-us-with-these-posts |
| 10:02.48 | mckenziemc1 | Banhammer. PS Crabby |
| 10:05.14 | mckenziemc1 | rules* |
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| 10:10.25 | Fisker | old mckenziemc1 |
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| 10:18.46 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:24.17 | Fisker | can you still make macros that triggers itself if the ability it's using is off the gcd? |
| 10:25.43 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 10:26.57 | Fisker | like you could do something |
| 10:27.05 | Fisker | then you could do something like /click x |
| 10:27.14 | Fisker | then another macro could do something then /click y |
| 10:27.28 | Shirik | wtfhax |
| 10:27.34 | Shirik | infiniteloop |
| 10:27.47 | Fisker | hax |
| 10:27.48 | Fisker | indeed |
| 10:32.34 | Fisker | looks like it works |
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| 11:02.18 | Fisker | why hello there jnwhiteh |
| 11:02.30 | Fisker | they made an april fools CM yesterday :( |
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| 11:17.19 | foxlit | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5508110/why-is-this-program-erroneously-rejected-by-three-c-compilers |
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| 11:19.20 | Shirik | wow |
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| 12:12.20 | Adys | Cide |
| 12:12.21 | Adys | ping |
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| 12:16.13 | Fisker | damnit haste |
| 12:16.22 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1530729.ece |
| 12:16.23 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:16.56 | nevcairiel | fisker died? |
| 12:17.16 | Mikk | \o/ |o/ \o| |
| 12:20.06 | foxlit | "Fisker ulovligt med vilje" |
| 12:20.18 | foxlit | There's a... sea... of Fisker headlines around. |
| 12:22.13 | nevcairiel | he must be popular in the weird country of his |
| 12:22.29 | nevcairiel | or rather, was |
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| 12:24.26 | Adys | Cide :( |
| 12:27.16 | Fisker | lol bluspacecow |
| 12:27.48 | Fisker | this guy is saying that having the GM island in the game is entrapment |
| 12:28.08 | Fisker | Guess the same way breaking into a prison is entrapment as well |
| 12:28.09 | Fisker | :D |
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| 12:44.39 | Cide | Adys: pong |
| 12:44.45 | Adys | Cide: BAM |
| 12:44.51 | Adys | u r 2 l8 |
| 12:44.51 | Cide | sup |
| 12:44.56 | Cide | ono |
| 12:45.21 | Adys | Cide: i want a class to inherit either SslSocket or TcpSocket depending on an argument passed to it; do I need to create two separate subclasses or is it possible with just the one class? |
| 12:45.33 | Adys | [13:44:06] <Adys> I can if I modify __bases__, was just wondering if it's the "proper" way |
| 12:46.14 | Cide | you can create the class by calling type() instead if you want |
| 12:46.38 | Adys | at which point? |
| 12:46.41 | Adys | __new__ ? |
| 12:47.06 | Cide | class foo(base): blah |
| 12:47.15 | Cide | is just shorthand for a call foo = type(...) |
| 12:47.21 | Cide | so calling type generates a new class |
| 12:47.49 | Cide | so you could just substitute the class definition to a call to type() |
| 12:47.59 | Adys | errrr |
| 12:48.09 | Adys | i cant |
| 12:48.19 | Adys | its an arg passed to the class that changes whether it inherits a or b |
| 12:48.33 | Adys | like this |
| 12:48.33 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/528323/ |
| 12:49.18 | Cide | ah |
| 12:49.28 | Cide | can't you just do a base class IRCServer which inherits from neither |
| 12:49.38 | Adys | "do I need to create two separate subclasses or is it possible with just the one class?" |
| 12:50.20 | Cide | and then dynamically create a class ServerInstance = type("ServerInstance", [QSslSocket if ssl else QTcpSocket], {}) |
| 12:50.40 | Cide | err |
| 12:50.48 | Cide | ServerInstance = type("ServerInstance", [IRCServer, QSslSocket if ssl else QTcpSocket], {}) |
| 12:51.09 | Cide | if you don't want to do that I'm not exactly sure |
| 12:51.14 | Cide | I'd probably go with two different classes |
| 12:51.47 | Adys | so one sec |
| 12:54.15 | Adys | Cide: but doesnt that mean i need to define the entire class at that moment? |
| 12:54.17 | Adys | all its members etc |
| 12:54.27 | Cide | since you're subclassing from IRCServer you inherit all that behavior |
| 12:54.47 | Adys | ah |
| 12:54.48 | Adys | uh |
| 12:54.53 | Cide | what I typed above is equivalent to class ServerInstanec(IRCServer, QSslSocket): pass if ssl is tRue |
| 12:54.54 | Cide | True* |
| 12:55.06 | Cide | and class ServerInstance(IRCServer, QTcpSocket): pass if ssl is False |
| 12:55.49 | Adys | ill just go with two subclasses then |
| 12:55.53 | Cide | yeah, seems easier |
| 12:56.11 | Cide | otherwise you'd need a metaclass |
| 12:56.28 | Cide | nvm |
| 12:56.37 | Cide | two subclasses still seems like the best option |
| 13:00.09 | Dayle | i have a small problem with my project on wowace. the project status changes automatically after a beta version of the project has been uploaded, from that point on it considers all subsequent commits as beta |
| 13:01.07 | Adys | fucking recursion |
| 13:01.10 | Adys | Cide: help me out |
| 13:01.44 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/528326/ |
| 13:01.47 | Adys | remind me what Im doing wrong |
| 13:01.54 | Fisker | oh god nevcairiel |
| 13:05.27 | Xinhuan | omg, you guys seen the Birdemic reviews, trailers and small clips all over from it on youtube? LOL |
| 13:06.21 | Xinhuan | Dayle, whether its alpah or beta depends on the name you tagged it with |
| 13:06.32 | Xinhuan | commits without tags are always alphas |
| 13:07.26 | Xinhuan | @project ezinterrupt |
| 13:07.27 | Repo | Xinhuan: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ezinterrupt/. ezInterrupt. Game: WoW. Daylesan (Manager/Author). Updated: 5 days ago |
| 13:08.13 | Xinhuan | hmm. |
| 13:08.45 | Fisker | penis? |
| 13:09.18 | Dayle | to be honest, i don't really understand the tagging thing |
| 13:10.28 | Xinhuan | ok, its pretty simple |
| 13:10.49 | Xinhuan | svn numbers all your commits from 1 to.. whatever number it is now, say its 27 |
| 13:10.53 | Dayle | what changed the project from alpha to beta status was me actually going into http://www.wowace.com/addons/ezinterrupt/files/ and changing file type from alpha to beta |
| 13:11.32 | Xinhuan | when you "tag" in SVN, what you are doing is, you are giving one of those versions, say r25, a name that is easier to remember by |
| 13:11.42 | Xinhuan | the name is a string, such as "v1.0.0" |
| 13:12.05 | Xinhuan | in your case, you have chosen to name r24 as "alpha" |
| 13:12.12 | Xinhuan | and r25 as "Beta" |
| 13:12.22 | karl_w_w | ticket queue atm is 15 minutes |
| 13:12.28 | Xinhuan | so whenever you refer to the tag "Beta", you are essentially referring to r25 |
| 13:12.35 | Xinhuan | so far so good? |
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| 13:13.10 | Xinhuan | yes? no? |
| 13:13.16 | Dayle | yes i understand |
| 13:13.20 | Xinhuan | http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/repository-faq/ |
| 13:13.24 | Xinhuan | near the middle of that link |
| 13:13.32 | Xinhuan | there is a "How does the packager know whether a tag is a release or a beta?" |
| 13:14.03 | Xinhuan | by default, the packager will create a .zip of your addon, and its alpha-zipped for normal commits |
| 13:14.26 | Xinhuan | tags however, are treated as either beta-zips or release-zips and both types get synced to Curse.com |
| 13:14.35 | Dayle | thing is, i just committed (and subsequently deleted) and got a beta release without tagging it or changing its status |
| 13:15.16 | Xinhuan | well see, according to the packager rules, the zip it produces is purely based on the name of the tag |
| 13:15.33 | Xinhuan | tagging is itself a commit |
| 13:15.40 | Xinhuan | (for SVN only) |
| 13:15.49 | Dayle | i noticed |
| 13:16.10 | Xinhuan | so, you tagged r25 as "alpha", which the packager considers as a beta-zip according to the naming rules for tags |
| 13:17.05 | Xinhuan | similarly for the r26 you tagged as "Beta" |
| 13:17.28 | Xinhuan | the packager for some reason, created another r26 zip |
| 13:17.39 | Xinhuan | on top of the beta.zip |
| 13:17.44 | Xinhuan | both are identical |
| 13:17.59 | Xinhuan | the MD5 is different only because of the filename |
| 13:18.28 | Dayle | allright, could be that i did actually tag that commit that ended up as beta |
| 13:18.38 | Xinhuan | yes, that's eactly what happened |
| 13:19.28 | Xinhuan | SVN is a bit of a special snowflake - when you tag in SVN, you are actually branching (copying) from the /trunk/ folder to the /branches/ folder |
| 13:19.42 | Xinhuan | err sorry, /tags/ folder |
| 13:19.45 | Xinhuan | not /branches/ |
| 13:19.51 | Xinhuan | but essentially its the same thing |
| 13:20.06 | Xinhuan | except the branching location is in the /tags/ folder rather than /branches/ |
| 13:20.21 | nevcairiel | except that tags don't have to be a copy of anything, if you want to do crazy shit |
| 13:20.30 | Dayle | project status has nothing to do with what type of release the commits are considered as? |
| 13:20.36 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:20.36 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 13:20.58 | Xinhuan | project status is just for wowace browsers and searchers to quickly search for addons |
| 13:21.06 | Xinhuan | "list all experimental addons", etc |
| 13:21.50 | Xinhuan | the branch in your "tags" is really a branch like any other branch, you can switch to it and commit there too (but don't do it) |
| 13:23.23 | Xinhuan | in your Edit Project, at the very bottom |
| 13:23.26 | Xinhuan | you'll see a |
| 13:23.36 | Xinhuan | Development stage: |
| 13:23.36 | Xinhuan | Which stage in development the project is currently in. This will automatically change between Planning, Alpha, Beta, and Stable based on the files that get attached to the project. |
| 13:23.53 | Xinhuan | generally speaking, it starts off in Planning, once you start committing, it updates itself to Alpha |
| 13:23.59 | Xinhuan | when you make a beta tag, it updates to beta |
| 13:24.07 | Xinhuan | then when you make a release tag, it updates to Stable |
| 13:24.14 | Xinhuan | (Release) |
| 13:25.05 | Xinhuan | so in essence, the project status relies on your commit history, not the other way around |
| 13:25.16 | Dayle | i feel stupid now. all this time wondering what was going on and it was myself complicating things :s |
| 13:25.44 | Dayle | last commit is correctly set as alpha |
| 13:26.09 | Xinhuan | yep, you can go back and edit each file to be of the type you actually want it to be, if you made a mistake |
| 13:26.27 | Xinhuan | you have like... 5 deleted zips too |
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| 13:27.19 | Xinhuan | which nobody will be able to see except the authors assigned to your addon |
| 13:27.31 | Xinhuan | (i think) |
| 13:27.39 | Fisker | LOUD NOISES |
| 13:27.45 | Fisker | omg i'm so scared |
| 13:28.04 | Dayle | i deleted some while experimenting |
| 13:28.18 | Xinhuan | you can join #wowace if you like |
| 13:28.21 | Fisker | you experimented with porn? |
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| 13:29.57 | Dayle | allright |
| 13:30.00 | Xinhuan | so as i was saying, you can join #wowace if you like, the channel reports most/all commits to all addons |
| 13:30.50 | Dayle | i have a question about the translation system |
| 13:30.55 | Xinhuan | go ahead |
| 13:31.56 | Dayle | in my enUS.lua file, i have code like this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/148654 |
| 13:32.13 | Xinhuan | uh huh |
| 13:32.33 | Xinhuan | so that's exactly what it is, a function definition |
| 13:32.41 | Xinhuan | assigned to the variable L["removed val from the Whitelist"] |
| 13:33.02 | Xinhuan | or rather, the table L with the key "removed val from the Whitelist", and its value is a function |
| 13:33.08 | Dayle | yes i understand the code, but how does the localization system (http://www.wowace.com/addons/ezinterrupt/localization/) handle this sort of thing? |
| 13:33.13 | Xinhuan | it does not |
| 13:33.19 | Xinhuan | both key and values must be strings |
| 13:33.40 | jnwhiteh | What you really want is L["Some format string %s here"] |
| 13:33.47 | jnwhiteh | and then L["Some format string %s here"]:format(val) |
| 13:33.54 | Xinhuan | ^^ |
| 13:33.55 | Xinhuan | that |
| 13:34.08 | jnwhiteh | combined with parameter selection, you can do anything you want |
| 13:34.17 | Fisker | stares |
| 13:34.20 | Xinhuan | translaters know they aren't supposed to touch the %s, and will translate properly |
| 13:34.38 | Xinhuan | keeping the %s in the correct place in the translation |
| 13:34.49 | Xinhuan | similarly for %d and such |
| 13:36.56 | Dayle | just to make sure we're on the same page: i'm mostly interested in using the localization tool to create the locale file automatically |
| 13:37.28 | jnwhiteh | of course, that's what we're talking about as well =) |
| 13:37.34 | Xinhuan | of course |
| 13:37.35 | Dayle | ok |
| 13:38.02 | Xinhuan | you can also easily SVN checkout popular addons on wowace onto your machine |
| 13:38.04 | Xinhuan | and see how they do it |
| 13:39.17 | Xinhuan | Postal throws all 8 locales into one file (the actual file is like 30 lines long, but the generated one is a few hundred lines), Omen has one file per locale, WoWEquip and GatherMate2 uses localization namespacing, etc |
| 13:40.01 | Xinhuan | although i think of all the above addons i just listed, only postal is on SVN, the rest are on Git lol |
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| 13:41.37 | Xinhuan | for the most part, for repos on wowace, they are mostly public (default), so anyone with a wowace account can actually commit to them |
| 13:41.53 | Xinhuan | translators used to commit directly to locale files before the localization system |
| 13:41.58 | Xinhuan | (and tended to break code once in a while) |
| 13:42.50 | Adys | CIDE :( |
| 13:43.00 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-irc/blob/master/irc/__init__.py ssl isnt working |
| 13:43.00 | Adys | :( |
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| 13:48.37 | nevcairiel | thats because you're putting it into the __init__ file |
| 13:48.46 | nevcairiel | its called bad style protection |
| 13:50.21 | Adys | thats temporary |
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| 14:03.16 | Adys | whee |
| 14:03.19 | Adys | it works ! |
| 14:12.29 | Cide | yay! |
| 14:12.45 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 14:12.53 | Cide | hey fiskar |
| 14:13.10 | Fisker | :( |
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| 14:21.32 | Fisker | haste |
| 14:21.37 | Fisker | why are norwegians so awesome and handsome? |
| 14:30.34 | Dayle | i heard norwegians eat sheep head |
| 14:30.51 | Dayle | perhaps that is their secret? |
| 14:33.34 | Dayle | Xinhuan? |
| 14:33.40 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 14:34.21 | Dayle | i pretty much copy-pasted postals localization file |
| 14:34.32 | Xinhuan | fine with me |
| 14:34.36 | Dayle | the packer is not auto-generating the stuff |
| 14:34.47 | Xinhuan | what's in your locale file? |
| 14:34.55 | Dayle | sec |
| 14:35.56 | Dayle | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/148656 |
| 14:36.32 | Xinhuan | is a zip generated? |
| 14:36.42 | Dayle | the packaged localization file just has one empty line where each --@localization(locale="enUS", format="lua_additive_table", same-key-is-true=true, table-name="L")@ etc is |
| 14:37.03 | Dayle | no the pastey link is how it looks like before being processed by the packager |
| 14:37.33 | Xinhuan | well, there's nothing to localize |
| 14:37.34 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ezinterrupt/localization/ |
| 14:37.42 | Xinhuan | nothing there at all |
| 14:37.52 | Xinhuan | compare against http://www.wowace.com/addons/postal/localization/ |
| 14:37.56 | Dayle | isn't it supposed to just use enUS as default? |
| 14:38.06 | Xinhuan | you don't even have enUS defined |
| 14:38.20 | Xinhuan | on the localization system |
| 14:38.40 | Xinhuan | right now, you have 0 phrases |
| 14:39.21 | Xinhuan | so there's nothing to generate |
| 14:39.57 | Dayle | allright |
| 14:40.32 | Xinhuan | also a zip is only generated when you commit something, updating phrases or translations doesn't cause a zip to be made |
| 14:41.06 | Xinhuan | if you don't really have anything to commit, you may need to make an empty commit of some sort by adding a space or empty line somewhere |
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| 14:41.40 | Xinhuan | am i assuming your addon uses ace3? |
| 14:41.45 | Dayle | yes |
| 14:42.39 | Xinhuan | notice i've lumped esMX and esES together into esES |
| 14:43.26 | Xinhuan | the return value of :NewLocale() is basically a table (empty initially) if the locale passed in is equal to the current locale (GetLocale()) |
| 14:43.29 | Xinhuan | otherwise it returns nil |
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| 14:44.25 | Xinhuan | the "return" simply tells Lua to skip executing the rest of the file |
| 14:44.32 | Xinhuan | and the english locale is always defined |
| 14:44.52 | Xinhuan | which is why its slightly different |
| 14:47.58 | Kraps | those april fools patch notes were pretty funny |
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| 14:50.04 | haste | Dayle is correct Fisker, smalahove is our secret |
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| 14:57.32 | Fisker | i'm bored haste |
| 14:57.45 | Fisker | and none of my packages seems to have been sent yet |
| 14:57.52 | Fisker | why is that haste ? |
| 15:00.00 | Kraps | i have an ipod Fisker |
| 15:04.28 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 15:05.03 | Kraps | actually yes |
| 15:06.25 | Fisker | no Kraps |
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| 15:11.46 | Krapsy | Omghai |
| 15:12.19 | Krapsy | Hmm |
| 15:12.41 | Krapsy | Sweet nibblets |
| 15:12.54 | Kraps | tes |
| 15:12.58 | Kraps | t |
| 15:13.23 | Krapsy | I have an iPod fisker |
| 15:15.28 | Krapsy | J |
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| 15:17.05 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 15:17.47 | Kraps | dunno how to rejoin :/ |
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| 15:18.25 | Fisker | no Kraps|ipod |
| 15:18.28 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 15:18.32 | Fisker | i want my paaaaaaackaaaaaaaage |
| 15:18.49 | Kraps|ipod | Test |
| 15:18.58 | Kraps|ipod | Hoho |
| 15:22.50 | Fisker | nevcairiel btw |
| 15:23.16 | Fisker | isn't there something about that you can use /cast <spellid> instead of <spellname>? |
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| 15:24.58 | Thunder_Child | most men already have their package Fisker, but i guess you had to order yours |
| 15:26.00 | Fisker | yeah Thunder_Child |
| 15:26.10 | Fisker | i have one as well |
| 15:26.13 | Fisker | just getting a better one |
| 15:28.31 | Thunder_Child | maybe you should also order from places that get your package to you faster |
| 15:32.55 | Fisker | i can't Thunder_Child |
| 15:35.33 | A-KO | omg minecraft is too addicting :( |
| 15:35.52 | olafski | can anyone who is on the PTR tell me what the requirements are for those +50% and +100% guild rep tabards? |
| 15:35.54 | Xinhuan | SMP or Classic? :P |
| 15:36.08 | Dagmar | Gotta be SMP |
| 15:36.26 | Dagmar | Classic mode gets boring in about a week |
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| 15:37.02 | Dayle | is there a quick way to see which phrases are missing in the localization tool? |
| 15:37.16 | Xinhuan | missing, as in? |
| 15:37.28 | Xinhuan | if it isn't there, its missing! |
| 15:37.46 | Kraps|ipod | You could get a krogan package fisker |
| 15:38.10 | Xinhuan | did you key in each and every english string lol |
| 15:38.13 | Brunera | should be a "missing translation" thingie there |
| 15:38.19 | Xinhuan | you could just throw it all in one file and mass import |
| 15:38.23 | Dayle | as in, my notepad counts 92 occurances of "L[", but only 90 phrases are up |
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| 15:38.56 | Xinhuan | well, easy, you package the damn zip, load up the addon, and watch acelocale give you errors in your bugsack for the missing ones |
| 15:39.04 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:39.11 | haste | Fisker: I have your packages! |
| 15:39.31 | Xinhuan | you would need to temporarily replace your packaged version over the "real one" for that |
| 15:39.41 | Fisker | then deliver them to me haste |
| 15:39.46 | Fisker | i also want the corsair 800D :( |
| 15:39.54 | Dayle | oh and as for the esES and esMX translation, isn't latin american spanish different from spanish spanish? |
| 15:39.56 | Xinhuan | or you can hardcode enUS, and not use the localization system for enUS, but use it for the other 7 locales |
| 15:40.14 | haste | Fisker: I will, but I need to replace the content with raccoons first! |
| 15:40.16 | Xinhuan | Dayle, the difference is like enGB and enUS ;p |
| 15:40.22 | Kraps|ipod | But I heard the krogan packages are expensive |
| 15:40.30 | Dayle | okay |
| 15:40.49 | Fisker | but i want my motherboard haste :( |
| 15:40.50 | Xinhuan | a number of my addons have hardcoded enUS |
| 15:40.56 | Xinhuan | so i know if its missing |
| 15:40.56 | Fisker | it will be bitching |
| 15:40.58 | karl_w_w | Dayle, the difference is like enGB and enUS ;p <- so a world of difference? |
| 15:41.02 | Fisker | 12TB Storage |
| 15:41.03 | Fisker | BAM |
| 15:41.14 | Dayle | color vs colour, oh my god... |
| 15:41.19 | karl_w_w | Fisker can i as one? |
| 15:41.25 | Fisker | as one? |
| 15:41.29 | karl_w_w | has |
| 15:41.58 | Fisker | naw man |
| 15:42.03 | Kraps|ipod | I'm on mi iPod fisker |
| 15:42.23 | Kraps|ipod | What are you gonna do about it? |
| 15:42.37 | karl_w_w | Kraps|ipod: I'm in ur ipod, playing ur rebecca black |
| 15:42.52 | Xinhuan | its SUUUNNNNNDAAAAY |
| 15:42.55 | Xinhuan | (not friday) |
| 15:42.58 | Kraps|ipod | Fun fun fun fun |
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| 15:43.47 | karl_w_w | it's friydiy friydiy gadda git down on friydiy |
| 15:44.20 | Xinhuan | Dayle, remember if some of your strings are too long, you can use different keys :) |
| 15:44.48 | Kraps|ipod | Is that the street version Karl |
| 15:44.58 | Xinhuan | like L["EZ_DESC"] = "This is a very very very very long description of my addon that goes on and on and on" |
| 15:45.00 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:45.17 | Xinhuan | so if you ever change the description, the key doesn't change |
| 15:45.24 | Dayle | yea some strings are very long |
| 15:45.43 | Xinhuan | since if you rename keys, you essentially have to delete the old translation string, and add a new one |
| 15:48.47 | Fisker | no you're not Kraps|ipod |
| 15:48.49 | airtonix | Fisker: which motherboard did you order ? |
| 15:49.00 | Fisker|DeathStar | yo look at me |
| 15:49.04 | Fisker|DeathStar | i'm on my deathstar |
| 15:49.11 | airtonix | i bet it consumes the same wattage as the deathstar |
| 15:49.13 | Fisker|DeathStar | and it's true because i have DeathStar in my nick |
| 15:49.35 | Fisker|DeathStar | www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=100153&lang=en |
| 15:49.39 | Fisker|DeathStar | that one airtonix |
| 15:49.40 | airtonix | Fisker|DeathStar: so how many nuclear power plants do you need to power your thing? |
| 15:50.02 | Fisker|DeathStar | 0 |
| 15:50.42 | airtonix | oh yeah the h67 chipset seems pretty popular now |
| 15:51.17 | airtonix | pity you can use a daughterboard on that mobo |
| 15:51.19 | Fisker|DeathStar | your mom is pretty popular too |
| 15:51.20 | airtonix | can't* |
| 15:51.28 | Fisker|DeathStar | i can airtonix |
| 15:51.36 | airtonix | where ? |
| 15:51.50 | airtonix | i only see a pciex port |
| 15:51.51 | Fisker|DeathStar | allow me to demonstrate |
| 15:51.58 | airtonix | ok |
| 15:52.01 | airtonix | stands back |
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| 15:52.56 | Dayle | small problem: i didn't actually forget to add one phrase, the packager didn't like it apparently |
| 15:53.04 | Dayle | Insert the number of the custom channel to be used. Example: \"5\" |
| 15:53.18 | Fisker|DeathStar | http://i.imgur.com/VDspo.jpg |
| 15:53.20 | Fisker|DeathStar | bam airtonix |
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| 15:54.02 | airtonix | so you can plug extra sata boards in both those places ? |
| 15:54.09 | Fisker|DeathStar | definitely |
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| 15:55.08 | Dayle | this is the packager output: L["Insert the number of the custom channel to be used. Example: \\\"5\\\""] = true |
| 15:58.57 | airtonix | Fisker|DeathStar: so where would you get a 4port Sata Controller for Mini PCI Express ? |
| 16:00.27 | Fisker|DeathStar | i wouldn't know airtonix |
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| 16:04.51 | Fisker|DeathStar | there airtonix |
| 16:04.52 | Fisker|DeathStar | http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PM2C.html |
| 16:04.55 | Fisker|DeathStar | problem solved |
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| 16:08.50 | Fisker|DeathStar | want to do some sexting airtonix ? |
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| 16:09.47 | Kraps | why would you sext |
| 16:09.53 | bluspacecow | would an nslookup for an akami server be different all over the world |
| 16:09.54 | bluspacecow | eg |
| 16:10.08 | Fisker|DeathStar | that depends on the dns server |
| 16:10.25 | bluspacecow | nslookup ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net |
| 16:11.01 | Kraps | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/04/webkit-best-option-for-camino-as-mozilla-drops-gecko-embedding.ars |
| 16:11.30 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Yes. They use bind views |
| 16:11.32 | dafzor | does everyone thing Fisker's cool because he's got his own deathstar? |
| 16:11.38 | Dagmar | ...among other things |
| 16:11.43 | bluspacecow | kk ty Dagmar |
| 16:11.50 | bluspacecow | *blows up Fisker's Deathstar* |
| 16:12.01 | Dagmar | The result on those lookups *tries* to give you a response that involves a server that's topologically "close" to you on the net |
| 16:12.02 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 16:12.02 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:12.09 | Fisker|DeathStar | oh ok bluspacecow |
| 16:12.11 | bluspacecow | pewwwww |
| 16:12.35 | Kraps | wut |
| 16:13.11 | Kraps | chatzilla isnt updating |
| 16:13.46 | Kraps | but this crappy chat app is |
| 16:14.06 | Fisker | maybe you should use some fukken google chrome then instead? |
| 16:14.23 | bluspacecow | So dagmar is dath wrong here : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2325036441?page=2#25 |
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| 16:15.37 | Kraps|ipod | Chrome isn't an irc client fisker |
| 16:15.55 | Fisker | no Kraps|ipod |
| 16:16.33 | Fisker | that depends on what he's trying to say |
| 16:16.58 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Hell if i know. I'd have to sniff my connection and see what DNS name "whatever" is looking up to try to connect to |
| 16:17.19 | Kraps | say what Fisker |
| 16:17.35 | Dagmar | Actually... |
| 16:18.12 | DWSR | On average, how much rep do you get from a heroic? ~3k? |
| 16:18.17 | Fisker | i'm really confused about what he means by "valid" |
| 16:18.29 | Fisker | But if he means that those IP's are the only valid ones then he is wrong, etc. |
| 16:19.22 | Fisker | Akamai Technologies NLYR-69-22-150-0-1 (NET-69-22-150-0-1) 69.22.150.0 - 69.22.151.255 |
| 16:19.33 | Fisker | so i doubt it's a wrong IP |
| 16:19.37 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: He's giving bad advice. The last two things it looks up before you're looking at the character select screen are us.scan.worldofwarcraft.com and us.logon.battle.net (US client here) |
| 16:20.06 | Dagmar | HE might be referring to it as the name he gave, in the office, but it's a bad thing to simply *assume* that the naming pools for both hostnames are the same. |
| 16:20.14 | Fisker | the topic is about the launcher Dagmar |
| 16:20.15 | bluspacecow | us.scan.worldofwarcraft.com ? interesting. I will have to see what happens if I block that domain name. |
| 16:20.26 | Dagmar | I'm not sure WTF that does |
| 16:20.36 | Fisker | as i recall most of the launcher has contact to their distribution network |
| 16:20.49 | Dagmar | It gets looked up after I clicked the play button, so it might be some host they use to check the checksums of the files for sanity or something |
| 16:20.53 | Fisker | probably for some updated malware checks |
| 16:20.58 | bluspacecow | connects to the edgesuite streaming web server to check on wow.mfil |
| 16:20.59 | Fisker | or that |
| 16:21.06 | Dagmar | Literally every host looked up was in the worldofwarcraft.com domain |
| 16:21.08 | bluspacecow | that is what the wow.mfil file is dagmar |
| 16:21.17 | bluspacecow | it contains a URL with checksums of files |
| 16:21.42 | Dagmar | OKay so I guessed more or less right then |
| 16:21.44 | Fisker | SET configURL "http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/EU/config_recommended_eu_1.xml" |
| 16:21.58 | bluspacecow | *blushes* |
| 16:22.25 | Dagmar | At no time did my client look up that hostname |
| 16:23.24 | Fisker | i wonder how that DNS thing works |
| 16:23.38 | airtonix | magnets |
| 16:23.44 | Fisker | nah airtonix |
| 16:23.51 | airtonix | you'd be surprised |
| 16:23.56 | bluspacecow | i just wonder if manually mapping the edgesuite.net domain to an IP address would work |
| 16:23.58 | Dagmar | Flushing the cache and doin' it again |
| 16:24.04 | Fisker | i mean with showing topological close hosts |
| 16:24.47 | Fisker | Isn't it the DNS server that gets the information from the other nameservers? I would've figure that any server outside my primary dns server wouldn't know me |
| 16:27.36 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: http://pastebin.com/HhSgJZmD |
| 16:28.05 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 16:28.21 | bluspacecow | EU / US ? What's version is your launcher.exe at in properties ? |
| 16:28.47 | Dagmar | Yeah they might be referring to the akamai zone internally, but it's not the same as the battle.net and wow DNS zones |
| 16:28.57 | Dagmar | The latest? |
| 16:29.03 | Dagmar | 4.0.6.13623 |
| 16:29.14 | bluspacecow | thats the game version |
| 16:29.21 | bluspacecow | your wow programs have seperate versions |
| 16:29.46 | Dagmar | Where does it say what version the launcher is? I figured that was what was at the top of the launcher |
| 16:30.16 | Fisker | 4.0.1.2210 |
| 16:30.26 | bluspacecow | In the properties of launcher.exe -> Version tab |
| 16:30.51 | bluspacecow | that was a tcpdump right ? was that attached to launcher.exe or wow.exe ? |
| 16:30.56 | Dagmar | Okay so the stuff Windows has tagged inside launcher.exe says 4.0.1.2210 |
| 16:31.22 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 16:31.27 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: It wasn't "attached" to either of them. That's running on my local caching named intercepting all port 53 traffic from my desktop |
| 16:31.45 | Dagmar | So... pretty much *all* the DNS traffic |
| 16:31.48 | bluspacecow | port 53 is DNS right ? |
| 16:31.50 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 16:32.31 | bluspacecow | I'll have to play around with things myself. at work at the moment , overnight shift plus gym means it may be a while till i can play with it |
| 16:36.36 | Fisker | nothing to work around with :P |
| 16:36.38 | Fisker | datth is wrong! |
| 16:36.42 | Fisker | no need to know why |
| 16:38.54 | bluspacecow | "if we are using a router, does it maintain a seperate DNS table that needs to be flushed? I would expect the "ipconfig /flushdns" command only clears the DNS table internal to the PC?" |
| 16:39.00 | bluspacecow | interesting question. |
| 16:39.20 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 16:39.41 | Dagmar | The router might have a caching DNS server on it, but most don't actually cache anything |
| 16:40.00 | Dagmar | Simply using nslookup on the windows host will let you know what responses it's giving anyway |
| 16:40.21 | Dagmar | Where it's getting a wrong answer from is not as important as that it's _getting an incorrect answer from somewhere_ |
| 16:40.33 | Dagmar | IF it's getting an incorrect response at all |
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| 16:41.39 | Dagmar | Now, if the response is a big fat list of round robin records, a temporary bypass would be to shove just one of them into the local hosts file once you've identified one that works out of the bunch |
| 16:42.27 | bluspacecow | which would be the hard part. finding one that works |
| 16:43.04 | Dagmar | I'm just getting the one host record back for us.logon.battle.net tho |
| 16:43.29 | Dagmar | us.scan.wow.com tho has three IPs |
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| 16:49.37 | A-KO | oh! bluspacecow |
| 16:49.40 | A-KO | Minecraft! |
| 16:49.41 | A-KO | :D |
| 16:49.46 | A-KO | my buddy set up a mc server |
| 16:49.52 | bluspacecow | hai 2 u a-ko |
| 16:50.14 | Ackis | does http://apps.facebook.com/wow-armory/ work for anyone else? |
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| 17:02.18 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2325614706 |
| 17:02.22 | foxlit | I missed that :( |
| 17:02.28 | airtonix | you know it's bad when your enemies uniform involves tight fitting black leather gloves |
| 17:03.02 | Fisker | GG is bad manners |
| 17:03.10 | airtonix | the polished kind that creaks when you flex your fists |
| 17:04.53 | airtonix | Fisker: would like to meet in ze intterigation room for irrigation ? |
| 17:05.28 | Fisker | no |
| 17:05.34 | airtonix | is shame |
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| 17:14.59 | airtonix | Fisker:You would irrigate nicely, i could achieve maximum crop yeild without any pain to yourself. |
| 17:20.51 | cbreak | starcraft is tricky |
| 17:21.10 | cbreak | now we even need a piece of paper to make statistics |
| 17:21.17 | cbreak | because it doesn't even have an addon API for that |
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| 17:46.11 | Fisker | i would irrigate your vagina airtonix ? |
| 17:46.56 | Shirik | I think I just found the best wikipedia policy |
| 17:47.01 | Shirik | ~wiki Wikipedia:NOYOUDONTGETTOKEEPYOURINJOKEONWIKIPEDIAFORSEVENDAYSJUSTBECAUSETHATSWHATTHERULESSAY |
| 17:47.18 | Shirik | well, more like the best shortcut |
| 17:48.28 | cogwheel | Shirik: |
| 17:48.36 | cogwheel | my 555 melted the breadboard |
| 17:48.45 | Shirik | how the hell did you manage to do that |
| 17:49.06 | cogwheel | only a little... |
| 17:49.10 | Shirik | sounds like you wired it wrong |
| 17:49.14 | cogwheel | it left a "footprint" |
| 17:49.22 | cogwheel | entirely possible |
| 17:49.27 | Shirik | it should not be getting hot at all |
| 17:49.41 | Shirik | the other option is you've used like a 1 ohm resistor |
| 17:49.51 | cogwheel | it did what it was "supposed" to do according to the book |
| 17:50.54 | Shirik | is this an astable circuit? |
| 17:51.30 | cogwheel | i r nub... it was a "black box" tester for other simpler stuff <.< |
| 17:51.38 | Shirik | what is the purpose of the 555 |
| 17:51.42 | Shirik | what is its output |
| 17:51.45 | ccox | I see a short between cogwheel's headphones |
| 17:51.54 | cogwheel | tone generator |
| 17:51.58 | Shirik | it can do a lot of different things |
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| 17:52.08 | Shirik | ok so it's probably hooked up in an astable multivibrator configuration |
| 17:52.14 | Shirik | are you using a variable resistor? |
| 17:53.19 | cogwheel | oh i found it on youtube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w7MMBAJX00 |
| 17:53.27 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | o.o |
| 17:53.50 | Shirik | Server Error |
| 17:53.51 | Shirik | The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. |
| 17:53.51 | Shirik | Please try again in 30 seconds. |
| 17:53.54 | cogwheel | ccox: if i was claiming to know what i was doing i'd agree |
| 17:54.23 | ccox | (and the joke is almost applicable to a tone generator...) |
| 17:54.37 | Shirik | ok cogwheel can you change the tone or is it always the same tone? |
| 17:54.55 | cogwheel | it used the input on pin 5 to change the tone |
| 17:55.13 | cogwheel | in various "experiments" |
| 17:55.27 | cogwheel | like i said, it's entirely possible i wired it wrong |
| 17:55.35 | cogwheel | at least between "experiments" |
| 17:55.46 | cogwheel | where i was building some other circuit and leaving it unused |
| 17:56.11 | ccox | good news: 555's are cheap and plentiful |
| 17:56.15 | Shirik | it's pretty hard to wire a 555 incorrectly but still have it do what it wants to do |
| 17:56.19 | Shirik | s/wants/is supposed/ |
| 17:56.31 | cogwheel | right, which is why i mentioned the times i wasn't using it... |
| 17:56.39 | cogwheel | i may have accidentally hooked it up in some way i shouldn't have |
| 17:57.02 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet there's a potentiometer in that circuit somewhere and you pulled it down to 0 and that caused a short |
| 17:57.19 | Shirik | and if so that pot should be replaced by itself and a small resistor in series |
| 17:57.41 | cogwheel | no the pot was only connected to pin 5 |
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| 17:58.37 | cogwheel | (during some projects) |
| 17:58.47 | Shirik | it doesn't make sense to only connect it to one thing |
| 17:58.55 | cogwheel | oh wait |
| 17:58.57 | cogwheel | i lied |
| 17:59.07 | cogwheel | told you i r nub |
| 17:59.20 | mikma | cogwheel: i noticed that the standalone is fixed now. not throwing me black screens |
| 17:59.37 | cogwheel | woot |
| 17:59.53 | Shirik | see this: http://www.ecelab.com/circuit-astable-555.htm |
| 17:59.59 | cogwheel | Shirik: i've moved on from that circuit... it was only when i pulled the chip out that i noticed anything funny |
| 18:00.00 | Shirik | I would expect R2 to be replaced by a pot |
| 18:00.15 | Shirik | instead it should be a pot and a resistor in series |
| 18:00.34 | Fisker | oh ok cogwheel |
| 18:00.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:00.43 | Fisker | be a jerk then :( |
| 18:00.45 | Shirik | so it really could have been anything :P |
| 18:01.06 | cogwheel | yes. i was just surprised to see a little chip print on my bread board |
| 18:01.26 | cogwheel | ohai fiskersk |
| 18:02.34 | Shirik | yeah that shouldn't happen |
| 18:02.48 | Shirik | I'm going to bet you shorted it at some point |
| 18:02.56 | Shirik | ccox is right 555s are cheap, but they're also pretty durable |
| 18:03.10 | Shirik | even if you do something wrong they don't tend to die unless it's REALLY wrong |
| 18:03.19 | ccox | (I've got a pile here, some of which are 20 years old) |
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| 18:03.44 | cogwheel | http://cogwheel.info/chipprint.jpg |
| 18:04.30 | ccox | ok, that looks kinda minor |
| 18:04.41 | ccox | (no scorch marks) |
| 18:04.58 | cogwheel | haha i said melted not burnt :P |
| 18:05.08 | Shirik | wtf is that top row |
| 18:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i knew anything about that stuff |
| 18:05.22 | Shirik | what kind of crazy breadboard is this |
| 18:05.44 | cogwheel | Shirik: it's built-in to a kit |
| 18:05.57 | airtonix | Shirik: umadbro |
| 18:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | i solder dc jacks fairly regularly at work but have no clue about how any kind of pcb electrical stuff works :< |
| 18:06.08 | Shirik | breadboards should look like this http://www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/halfbb.jpg |
| 18:06.20 | airtonix | why |
| 18:06.29 | airtonix | crazy americans |
| 18:06.40 | airtonix | i mean brazilians |
| 18:06.49 | cogwheel | Shirik: that would mean all your ics have to be inline |
| 18:06.58 | ccox | some have spare connection areas across the top, not connected down or across |
| 18:07.08 | ccox | cog - yes |
| 18:07.13 | bluspacecow | @shiriki nah it should look like this http://whatscookingamerica.net/Appetizers/CheeseBoard.jpg |
| 18:07.23 | cogwheel | this one is 3 sections like that |
| 18:07.29 | ccox | cog - unless you're working on something huge, when you have 4 of those across a single board |
| 18:07.45 | cogwheel | with voltage across the top and ground along the bottom |
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| 18:08.10 | Shirik | But see that doesn't seem as useful |
| 18:08.18 | Fisker | oh thanks you cogwheel |
| 18:08.24 | Shirik | let's say you have an IC |
| 18:08.24 | ccox | could be useful, just not what you're used to |
| 18:08.30 | Shirik | you need to give it VCC and ground |
| 18:08.40 | Shirik | you have to wire it all the way from one side to the other |
| 18:08.45 | Shirik | no matter where you put it |
| 18:08.56 | Shirik | in a column youcan just go straight to the IC from the middle |
| 18:09.07 | cogwheel | yes, but it wouldn't support different voltages |
| 18:09.18 | Fisker | likes Shirik |
| 18:09.24 | Kraps | hey my ipod screen now has a smudge from a bang |
| 18:09.52 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 18:10.24 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 18:10.31 | airtonix | haha |
| 18:10.34 | Fisker | your ipod screen does not now have a smudge from a bang |
| 18:10.41 | Fisker | because you have no ipod |
| 18:10.45 | mikma | gangbang? |
| 18:10.45 | airtonix | that'll learn you for not putting a protector film on it |
| 18:12.38 | Kraps | stupid wheelchair breaking my shit |
| 18:12.49 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 18:13.08 | airtonix | this comminist plot will not succeed |
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| 18:13.19 | airtonix | i refuse to engrish |
| 18:14.57 | bluspacecow | bai bai fiskery fisker i go homes nows |
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| 18:16.03 | Kraps|ipod | What do you say now fisker |
| 18:16.15 | airtonix | it's too late sir |
| 18:16.26 | Kraps|ipod | No |
| 18:16.28 | Shirik | I say you don't respond to CTCP VERSION Kraps|ipod |
| 18:16.39 | airtonix | muwahaha |
| 18:17.12 | airtonix | lucky you don't have an explosive deadmans security system |
| 18:17.28 | Kraps | wow thats weird |
| 18:17.31 | airtonix | citing: The Spawn |
| 18:17.43 | Kraps | why wont it VERSION |
| 18:17.53 | airtonix | because you can't INTERNET |
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| 18:17.59 | Fisker | this is messed up haste |
| 18:18.07 | Fisker | one of my packages just showed up on track & trace |
| 18:18.13 | Fisker | except that was the package sent on friday |
| 18:18.22 | Fisker | the package sent on thursday still haven't showed up :o |
| 18:20.17 | airtonix | lawl |
| 18:20.20 | airtonix | umadbro! |
| 18:20.26 | airtonix | iwudbe |
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| 18:25.34 | Kraps | why wont it VERSION airtonix |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | I'll show you my version |
| 18:26.13 | mckenziemc | because airtonix is unversioned |
| 18:26.15 | Kraps | is it because of the crap app |
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| 18:30.38 | airtonix | mckenziemc: you can't version chaos |
| 18:32.08 | mckenziemc | nah airtonix |
| 18:32.16 | mckenziemc | some things just aren't worth versioning |
| 18:32.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.54 | Kraps | http://imagebin.org/146451 |
| 18:36.58 | Shirik | lmfao |
| 18:37.01 | Shirik | "Southwest said it provided a full refund, an apology and two complimentary round-trip passes on the airline for future flights." |
| 18:37.06 | Shirik | Something tells me that's not going to be enough |
| 18:37.33 | Kraps | What happend with Southwest? |
| 18:37.52 | Shirik | .......... |
| 18:38.03 | airtonix | Kraps: hoho |
| 18:38.03 | Shirik | kraps |
| 18:38.08 | Shirik | do you ever watch the news? |
| 18:38.18 | airtonix | news is for plebs |
| 18:38.19 | Kraps | no Shirik, i avoid it |
| 18:38.37 | Kraps | plus i dont have a tv |
| 18:38.52 | mckenziemc | you've got the internet |
| 18:39.03 | Kraps | so? |
| 18:39.10 | airtonix | that only has google |
| 18:39.12 | dafzor | it's sundae day, and i had none.. |
| 18:39.28 | Shirik | Kraps: Emergency landing after a hole was torn in the aircraft |
| 18:39.55 | Dagmar | .It was surreal, when you.re riding in a modern aircraft. You.re used to being enclosed and not having the window rolled down,. he said. |
| 18:39.59 | Dagmar | heheheheh |
| 18:40.37 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:40.54 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 18:40.54 | Fisker | the best part was where everyone was taking pictures of it |
| 18:40.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:40.54 | mckenziemc | Fiskrik |
| 18:40.58 | Shirik | oh shit I'm gonna die |
| 18:41.00 | Shirik | oh wait pics |
| 18:41.01 | Fisker | nice iphone skin Kraps |
| 18:41.13 | Kraps | thanks Fisker |
| 18:41.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: C'mon. You remember the earthquake footage from Japan. That one guy at a rather populated intersection shooting vids on his phone, and literally *everyone* just standing around staring at their cell phones |
| 18:42.08 | Dagmar | Cell phones clearly completely suppress any self-preservation reflex people have |
| 18:42.11 | Shirik | they were obviously texting 911 |
| 18:42.12 | Kraps | halp i can read my moms handwriting |
| 18:42.32 | Kraps | cant* |
| 18:42.37 | Shirik | I wonder what happens if you try to text 911 |
| 18:42.50 | Fisker | you go to jail Shirik |
| 18:43.03 | Kraps | can you pass go Fisker? |
| 18:43.03 | airtonix | you know from experience ? |
| 18:43.20 | olafski | can anyone who is on the PTR tell me what the requirements are for those +50% and +100% guild rep tabards? |
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| 18:45.09 | mckenziemc | Requires Guild |
| 18:45.27 | Fisker | you never pass go Kraps |
| 18:46.03 | Dagmar | Shirik: Afaik you get eaten by a grue |
| 18:46.45 | airtonix | how anti climatic |
| 18:47.13 | Fisker | hello airtonix |
| 18:47.19 | Fisker | one package is now a step closer |
| 18:47.30 | airtonix | explain |
| 18:47.33 | Fisker | the other is apparently a huge jerk |
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| 18:52.09 | Fisker | i just ate a food Shirik |
| 18:52.23 | mckenziemc | amazing |
| 18:53.24 | Fisker | indeed mckenziemc |
| 18:55.53 | Adys | Shirik: In most states, nothing |
| 18:56.18 | Adys | some of them allow texting though |
| 18:56.32 | Adys | i remember thats pretty recent too |
| 18:56.40 | Adys | like 6-8 months |
| 18:57.27 | Adys | that said, the UK have allowed texting 999 for years :P |
| 19:03.31 | Cide | 112 > 999 |
| 19:04.12 | Adys | in france you have to call the right service in the first place |
| 19:04.20 | Adys | 15, 18, 19 or 21 depending on the emergency |
| 19:05.05 | airtonix | haha crazy frenchman |
| 19:05.23 | Adys | i seriously dont even know which one stands for which |
| 19:05.28 | airtonix | "Damn you get the fire department here PRONTO!!" |
| 19:05.38 | airtonix | "I'm sorry sir this is the waste management hotline" |
| 19:05.49 | Adys | fire dep, police, samu and something else |
| 19:05.56 | Cide | that's retarded |
| 19:05.59 | airtonix | "Well then you can fix my colostomy bag" |
| 19:06.12 | Cide | maybe if it was 999-FIRE and 999-HELP and 999-COMENOW |
| 19:06.32 | airtonix | lol |
| 19:06.34 | Adys | 999-fire-exclamationmark-fire-exclamationmark-helpme-exclamationmark |
| 19:06.35 | airtonix | come now |
| 19:06.46 | Cide | 999-DERP |
| 19:09.13 | Adys | ah, 21 is mental watch |
| 19:09.29 | Adys | waow, austria |
| 19:09.33 | Adys | Police - 133; Ambulance - 144; Fire - 122; Gas leaks - 128; Alpine rescue - 140; On-duty medical unit - 141; crisis-hotline - 142; support for children and teens - 147. |
| 19:10.00 | Adys | germany: Police - 110; 116116 Block Emergency Electronic Authorisation e.g. credit cards |
| 19:10.11 | Adys | that is |
| 19:10.16 | Adys | im not |
| 19:10.19 | Adys | i dont.. er |
| 19:11.39 | Adys | 112 is being implemented in every eu country, thats nice |
| 19:12.15 | Fisker | oh nos EU legislation being forced on us |
| 19:12.28 | Dagmar | Shut up and take it |
| 19:12.38 | Fisker | ok :( |
| 19:12.41 | Adys | "Accident service - 11-2691111." |
| 19:12.50 | Adys | some countries you really gotta watch where you're driving |
| 19:13.07 | Fisker | our country did illegal things Dagmar |
| 19:13.08 | Fisker | but it's ok |
| 19:13.15 | Fisker | because those in charge disagreed with it |
| 19:13.39 | Adys | 01189998819991197253 seems to be missing from this page |
| 19:13.47 | Adys | i call inaccuracy and I blame YOU Shirik |
| 19:14.37 | Fisker | omg |
| 19:14.53 | Adys | Cide: you have a non-urgent police |
| 19:14.54 | Adys | really |
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| 19:15.00 | Fisker | we just let 2 tanks die on atramedes trash because we thought it would be funny if they died |
| 19:15.05 | Adys | thats like having a non-urgent post office |
| 19:15.07 | Fisker | (execution stance that is) |
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| 19:18.16 | Adys | Winnipeg initially used 999 as the emergency number,[9] but switched numbers when 9-1-1 was proposed by the United States. |
| 19:18.19 | Adys | i dont get that |
| 19:18.57 | Adys | who switches from 999 to 911, it makes no sense at all |
| 19:20.36 | karl_w_w | why do people bother arguing that horde and alliance are treated equally in the lore? |
| 19:20.56 | Cide | Adys: we do? |
| 19:21.03 | Adys | yes |
| 19:21.07 | Cide | who knew |
| 19:21.08 | Jamash | karl_w_w: why do people argue about anything? |
| 19:21.15 | Adys | 11414 |
| 19:21.22 | Adys | probably for parking tickets |
| 19:21.27 | Cide | oh |
| 19:21.31 | karl_w_w | usually because they believe they're right |
| 19:21.35 | Cide | but that makes sense |
| 19:21.39 | Jamash | karl_w_w: well then |
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| 19:21.41 | karl_w_w | but in this case it's some kind of pride thing |
| 19:21.42 | Cide | 11414 is to report a crime or such |
| 19:21.47 | Cide | 112 is for emergencies |
| 19:21.50 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_CKtYCRIc < video of the week |
| 19:21.54 | karl_w_w | i think horde like to feel like the underdogs generally |
| 19:21.57 | Adys | When the 9-1-1 system was originally introduced, it was advertised as the "nine-eleven" service. The advertising was changed when concerns were expressed that some types of callers, most notably smaller children, tend to be very literal, and might waste emergency response time trying to find a non-existent "eleven" key on their telephones. |
| 19:22.14 | Adys | the "most notably" scares me |
| 19:22.18 | Jamash | karl_w_w: I really don't know or care which side you're on, but I'm going to say you're wrong |
| 19:22.20 | Cide | if you were robbed as you get home from your vacation it's not an emergency to call the police |
| 19:22.39 | karl_w_w | well i cant think of another explanation :P |
| 19:22.46 | mikma | stanzilla: bestestest. |
| 19:23.09 | karl_w_w | in terms of lore i mean |
| 19:23.24 | karl_w_w | in battle sure they like to be on the other side of it |
| 19:23.46 | Adys | Shirik, Cide: screw you, both of you |
| 19:23.50 | Adys | i was happily sleeping |
| 19:24.05 | Adys | woke up to google some stupid old book |
| 19:24.11 | Adys | and now im in the middle of wikipedia because of you |
| 19:24.13 | Cide | me wtf? |
| 19:24.21 | Adys | yes, you wtf |
| 19:25.26 | Adys | Moldova: 112 is being implemented by 2010. |
| 19:25.30 | Adys | arent we in 2011? |
| 19:25.35 | Jamash | karl_w_w: umadbro? |
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| 19:27.44 | karl_w_w | you smoking crack Jamash? |
| 19:27.46 | Adys | india has 4 different medical emergency numbers |
| 19:28.01 | Adys | that's reassuring |
| 19:28.46 | Fisker | there was apparently a study made down here |
| 19:29.08 | Fisker | like 90% of all crank calls to the 911(i.e. 112) was made by children |
| 19:29.20 | karl_w_w | prank* |
| 19:29.23 | Fisker | no u |
| 19:29.25 | Fisker | also |
| 19:29.37 | Fisker | they were apparently mostly babies/very young |
| 19:29.40 | Computerpunk | http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/2/reasons_why_people_who_work_with_computers_seem_to_have_a_lot_of_spare_time.png |
| 19:29.55 | Fisker | they theorized that it was because their parents might have given them their old mobile phones as toys |
| 19:30.19 | Fisker | and as 911(112) works even without a simcard this was one of the combinations of numbers they got working :P |
| 19:30.44 | Jamash | karl_w_w: yes |
| 19:31.06 | karl_w_w | that explains it |
| 19:33.34 | Jamash | karl_w_w: umadbro? |
| 19:33.57 | airtonix | Jamash: umadbro? |
| 19:35.01 | Jamash | airtonix: We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. |
| 19:35.41 | airtonix | i scream you scream, vanilla ice cream |
| 19:38.36 | Jamash | karl_w_w: so what purported lore injustice has you butthurt today? |
| 19:39.51 | Fisker | i would like some chocolate asscream |
| 19:39.54 | Fisker | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/01/chess-receives-v1-01-patch/ btw |
| 19:40.41 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ <-i agree with this |
| 19:43.35 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ba721ad0-ddc8-4607-b067-0681666ed237.jpg |
| 19:43.36 | Jamash | I disagree, Fisker |
| 19:43.48 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: heheheh |
| 19:44.31 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
| 19:44.34 | Fisker | that should be illegal |
| 19:45.00 | Jamash | Fisker: You should be in a museum |
| 19:45.10 | Fisker | i wish |
| 19:46.12 | Jamash | nobody seems to discuss the fact that current "3D" technology has binocular depth cues but not accommodative depth cues |
| 19:46.45 | airtonix | Jamash: how does that make you feel ? |
| 19:47.22 | Jamash | airtonix: like a stale cheese danish that just lost its sports scholarship |
| 19:47.34 | airtonix | ok |
| 19:47.37 | karl_w_w | what are you talking about Jamash? |
| 19:48.05 | Jamash | karl_w_w: focus |
| 19:48.15 | airtonix | like a boss |
| 19:48.59 | karl_w_w | on topic, seeing as Jamash is talking nonsense again - macro: /cast milling /use whiptail - can the /use part be done in lua? |
| 19:49.14 | Jamash | karl_w_w: a 3D TV or movie or 3DS has two images that simulate the views from two different perspectives, tricking the eye into believing that a flat plane has depth |
| 19:49.53 | Jamash | karl_w_w: however, in order to resolve the image, your eyes have to focus on the flat plane, which is at a different distance than the binocular cues would indicate |
| 19:50.15 | karl_w_w | awesome |
| 19:51.09 | Thrae | Adys: Here's some more Psych-loving for you -- the complete collection of Psych (63 episodes) is available for Internet streaming from Netflix. |
| 19:51.45 | Adys | Thrae: officially? |
| 19:52.21 | Adys | pretty impressive |
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| 19:52.32 | Adys | not that i'd need it, I know all the episodes by heart |
| 19:52.35 | Adys | but whatever :P |
| 19:52.37 | Jamash | karl_w_w: this is probably one of the reasons why people get eyestrain, headaches, etc |
| 19:53.44 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: is a macro not sufficient for the automation? |
| 19:55.12 | Jamash | karl_w_w: oh on the macro front, you would have to find the bag and slot IDs and use PickupContainerItem(bagID, slot) |
| 19:57.03 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs |
| 19:59.32 | Jamash | I discovered yesterday that guild perks appear in the spellbook immediately before the player's guild name is available, which caused a race condition in my addon |
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| 20:01.25 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: new improve blue 1.1 grinder station =) |
| 20:01.30 | jnwhiteh | yssaril helped me a lot :P |
| 20:01.36 | jnwhiteh | i'll remove my destination and we can put yours there |
| 20:02.18 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: what game are you talking about? |
| 20:02.18 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:02.24 | jnwhiteh | minecraft |
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| 20:04.10 | karl_w_w | <zenzelezz> karl_w_w: is a macro not sufficient for the automation? <- not if you want it to choose whichever herb you have available from a list |
| 20:04.16 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 20:04.22 | A-KO | I'm about to fire up the map in a map viewer for minecraft |
| 20:04.33 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: gotcha |
| 20:05.17 | karl_w_w | and i am terrible at working with bags |
| 20:05.35 | karl_w_w | its too confusing for my simple mind |
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| 20:21.06 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.08 | karl_w_w | genius |
| 20:21.22 | Dagmar | What's it called when someone's mining while under the world? |
| 20:21.28 | karl_w_w | hacking |
| 20:24.47 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:24.53 | Fisker | or teleportmining as i call it |
| 20:28.33 | Dagmar | Well, I was hoping for a buzzword to put in the subject line of the email to wowgm@ |
| 20:29.02 | Dagmar | I just saw someone get aggro'd by a couple of mobs (I was sitting there stealthed) and then I see them *step out of the wall* swinging a mining pick... |
| 20:29.03 | zenzelezz | ethereal mining? |
| 20:29.12 | Dagmar | ...then they walked right back in. Busted. |
| 20:29.14 | Fisker | WHY WOULD YOU WOWGM@BLIZZARD.COM? |
| 20:30.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. Had that happen to me a couple of times. |
| 20:30.22 | DWSR | When it's someone from the enemy faction, I like to freeze them in place. |
| 20:30.29 | haste | Fisker: they are trolling you! |
| 20:30.29 | DWSR | Mine it. |
| 20:30.39 | DWSR | Then proceed to give them a rude gesture. |
| 20:30.44 | DWSR | Since it's almost always a bot. |
| 20:30.59 | Fisker | does he look like a bitch haste ? |
| 20:31.02 | DWSR | wtb more conclusive math for DK tanking. |
| 20:31.16 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 20:31.17 | haste | Fisker: I don't.. |
| 20:31.19 | Fisker | one of my packages are closer |
| 20:31.20 | Fisker | bam |
| 20:31.52 | Dagmar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/skywall/aeschyllus/simple <-- gonna be a shame to lose that PvP gear |
| 20:32.18 | haste | Fisker: I'm wet, please dry me |
| 20:35.07 | Fisker | maybe haste |
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| 20:49.54 | karl_w_w | no doing pickupcontaineritem after /cast enchanting doesnt work |
| 20:50.35 | karl_w_w | and usecontaineritem is protected |
| 20:50.43 | karl_w_w | so i guess its not possible |
| 20:51.07 | Xinhuan | try simulating a click insteaed |
| 20:51.21 | Xinhuan | the button:Click() or something |
| 20:51.26 | karl_w_w | smart man |
| 20:52.33 | karl_w_w | is it even possible with bags though :P |
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| 21:05.47 | karl_w_w | nah :Click() is protected, and /click only works with buttons |
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| 21:22.01 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:04.17 | Fisker | you can't stop me haste |
| 22:09.28 | Fisker | alestane |
| 22:09.31 | Fisker | you can't stop me either |
| 22:10.16 | Cairenn | mikma, Wobin: http://purinaanimalallstars.yahoo.com/?v=8800385&l=100000085 |
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| 22:12.51 | Fisker | haxes |
| 22:13.07 | Fisker | hey Klrth |
| 22:13.10 | Fisker | you must be new |
| 22:14.46 | Xinhuan | http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/live/starcraft_2 |
| 22:14.52 | Xinhuan | semi finals and finals soon |
| 22:14.57 | Xinhuan | for live stream! |
| 22:15.01 | Fisker | le care Xinhuan |
| 22:15.05 | Fisker | MLG sucks |
| 22:15.17 | Xinhuan | sure does, compared to GSL ;p |
| 22:17.56 | Fisker | i think i'll voluntarily stop myself |
| 22:17.59 | Fisker | so i can sleep |
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| 22:25.27 | Fisker | hello Jamash |
| 22:25.29 | Fisker | lets destroy Sixen |
| 22:26.29 | Sixen | dew eet |
| 22:26.44 | Fisker | yes |
| 22:26.46 | Fisker | i will |
| 22:27.04 | Fisker | btw Sixen why do you think you're an mvp? |
| 22:27.12 | Sixen | i'm not |
| 22:27.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:27.21 | Sixen | why do you think I think i'm an mvp |
| 22:28.25 | Fisker | because you had green text |
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| 22:49.00 | mckenziemc | ~rainbow Fisker |
| 22:49.36 | mckenziemc | hmm, wrong command i guess |
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| 23:20.47 | Fisker | goodbye cruel Jamash |
| 23:21.01 | mckenziemc | kills Fisker. |
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| 23:26.52 | mckenziemc | hey Kraps |
| 23:27.05 | Kraps | hey mckenziemc |
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| 23:30.45 | Kraps | Fools are without number. - Desiderius Erasmus |
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| 23:34.54 | Kraps | my ipods screen seems to have heald itself, theres only a teeny bit of the original damage left |
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| 23:43.59 | Mikk | karl_w_w: it's possible to make a button that targets a specific bagslot |
| 23:44.10 | Mikk | i use one for my meltbot |
| 23:44.29 | Mikk | in essence "cast disenchant on bag X slot Y" when the button is clicked |
| 23:44.37 | Mikk | then i add a keybind |
| 23:44.40 | Mikk | and watch anime |
| 23:44.43 | Mikk | while mashing the keybind |
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