| 00:20.30 | Fisker | stares |
| 00:28.25 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
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| 00:28.50 | Jamash | I can't get Crabby to appear |
| 00:28.50 | Fisker | hey batbot |
| 00:29.00 | Fisker | apple are the biggest dicks |
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| 00:29.23 | Fisker | blocking hypermac from selling external battery packs, then patenting it as their own invention |
| 00:29.24 | Fisker | lol'd |
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| 00:45.03 | Jamash | I agree Fisker |
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| 00:54.15 | Thunder_Child | well the steam deal came out....cant say i am really impressed however |
| 00:55.31 | Xinhuan | lol potato |
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| 00:56.56 | Thunder_Child | this had better be the start of something large. |
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| 01:11.14 | Jamash | potato hat |
| 01:12.39 | Thunder_Child | why is it so hard to find a large 2ms response time monitor with component in? |
| 01:15.51 | Dagmar | Perhaps because you're attempting to buy digital electronics? |
| 01:21.38 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: huh? |
| 01:21.42 | Xinhuan | lua> #{1, 2, nil, nil, 5, 6, nil, nil, nil, 10} |
| 01:21.42 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 10 |
| 01:21.49 | Dagmar | Component output is analog, man |
| 01:22.03 | Dagmar | There's a A-D conversion that has to happen, for one thing. |
| 01:22.32 | Dagmar | At least a frame or two is going to have to go by for the monitor to figure out WTF exactly it's supposed to display |
| 01:22.46 | Dagmar | ...and there's still the [Fast, Cheap, Good] factor to consider |
| 01:24.12 | Dagmar | If you're willing to spend a ton of money you might be able to find something that'll do it |
| 01:24.26 | Thunder_Child | meh, but i want to hook console up to it w/o needing converters |
| 01:24.35 | Thunder_Child | a console* |
| 01:24.42 | Dagmar | You don't have a console with a digital output? |
| 01:24.58 | Thunder_Child | i thought the wee had component |
| 01:25.01 | Thunder_Child | wii* |
| 01:25.13 | Dagmar | The Wii outputs SD last I checked |
| 01:25.29 | Dagmar | Component helps, but it's still not that great |
| 01:25.52 | Dagmar | If you're worried about twitch time, 2ms is quite a bit below what you need |
| 01:26.08 | Thunder_Child | well i'm also goign to have it as my primary monitor |
| 01:26.10 | Thunder_Child | going* |
| 01:26.34 | Dagmar | Heck I think the controller link is going to probably introduce more latency than that anyway |
| 01:27.12 | Thunder_Child | but not for my computer games, maybe |
| 01:27.22 | Dagmar | If you're looking for things sold listed as 'computer monitors' that's probably hindering your search |
| 01:27.39 | Thunder_Child | well the ones that werent didnt have DVI connects |
| 01:27.41 | Dagmar | Most of the digital TVs being sold are pretty much big-ass monitors with tuners built into them |
| 01:27.48 | Thunder_Child | connections, i cant type worth a damn today |
| 01:27.55 | Dagmar | My TV actually does have DVI, HDMI, and Component input |
| 01:28.02 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 01:28.07 | Thunder_Child | changes gears |
| 01:28.23 | Dagmar | Mind you, the component input is a good 75ms latency judging by poking at Guitar Hero |
| 01:28.36 | Thunder_Child | yea...thats what i was just thinking |
| 01:28.52 | Dagmar | ...but the DVI output from the MythTV box is pretty much no different from having a 42" monitor from what I can tell |
| 01:28.53 | Thunder_Child | i wouldnt mind getting 2, but i dont have the space for it, so i was trying to consolodate |
| 01:29.04 | Dagmar | Dragon Age II on that is freakin' _awesome_ |
| 01:29.22 | Thunder_Child | consolidate* |
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| 01:32.51 | Xinhuan | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 01:32.58 | Xinhuan | how do you disable Crabby on the wow forums :( |
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| 01:35.20 | Xinhuan | "I'm glad that Zarhym made this topic. They raise some great points, don't you agree?" |
| 01:35.21 | Xinhuan | ROFL |
| 01:35.28 | Xinhuan | damn crab. |
| 01:40.11 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: do you know if monitors responstimes are more commonly black-white-black or GTG? |
| 01:40.18 | Thunder_Child | response times* |
| 01:40.24 | Dagmar | Haha that's the $64,000 dollar question |
| 01:40.42 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 01:40.49 | Dagmar | Monitor manufacturers love to come up with their own metrics for measuring as well as defining what even matters |
| 01:41.16 | Thunder_Child | i found a TV with a 2.4ms GTG response time and i wanted to see how it translated to monitors |
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| 01:46.48 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: though from what it seems, using HDMI is just as good as DVI |
| 01:54.55 | Wobin | "Evangelism now has a 2% chance to convert all surrounding party members to the priest class." heeheehee |
| 01:55.28 | Wobin | "Quantum Leap (new ability) propels the warrior through time and space, allowing the warrior to take over the identity of an unknown character in an attempt to improve their life or prevent disaster. Cooldown 5 minutes." |
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| 02:24.11 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qhj3sJ5qs Genki Sudo is -awesome- |
| 02:26.35 | Wobin | also, haha, Jason Momoa as Conan the Barbarian, that'll be good =) |
| 02:27.35 | Jamash | re: monitors, you will learn nothing from looking at numbers on a spec sheet |
| 02:29.07 | Wobin | personally, I think most special features are unidentifiable to the majority of users |
| 02:29.34 | Wobin | unless the special refresh rate or redraw schmozzle is giving you headaches |
| 02:30.11 | Jamash | I think it's great that we have 240Hz monitors and nothing that can pump pixels out that fast |
| 02:30.56 | Wobin | also http://theoatmeal.com/blog/japan_fund |
| 02:31.06 | Wobin | Now is the perfect time to purchase that book |
| 02:31.31 | Jamash | note the word "profits" |
| 02:32.04 | Wobin | Jamash: and? |
| 02:32.28 | Jamash | I make no particular judgment, just noting a fact |
| 02:33.11 | Wobin | donating the profits is a controllable donation |
| 02:33.13 | Jamash | also, dead tree media are so second millennium |
| 02:33.13 | bluspacecow | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/interview_questions |
| 02:33.42 | Wobin | saying "donating 100%" means that if he gets a run on the books, he could run himself bankrupt |
| 02:34.02 | Iriel | bluspacecow: To be honest I disagree with quite a bit of hiw objections to some of those |
| 02:34.02 | Jamash | I didn't say he should do that |
| 02:34.09 | Iriel | the greatest weakness one is stupid, |
| 02:34.28 | Jamash | manhole covers are round because manholes are round |
| 02:34.31 | Iriel | and the last one is too |
| 02:34.35 | Iriel | but the others are largely reasonable |
| 02:34.44 | Wobin | Jamash: it's the difference between controllable outlays, and already spent outlays |
| 02:34.55 | Dagmar | because manhole covers that are round can't *fall into manholes* |
| 02:35.01 | Jamash | Wobin: You're reading something into my remarks that isn't there |
| 02:35.20 | Wobin | Jamash: probably, but it just sounded like you were looking a gift horse in the mouth |
| 02:35.29 | Wobin | He's donating profits, so what? He's -donating- |
| 02:35.41 | Jamash | Wobin: What does looking a gift horse in the mouth sound like? |
| 02:36.04 | Wobin | "Someone is doing something nice?! NEEEEEEEIIIIGHHHH!" |
| 02:36.09 | Jamash | huh |
| 02:36.48 | Jamash | the question about resolving conflict could actually impart useful information to the interviewer |
| 02:37.37 | Wobin | Jamash: it's like http://xkcd.com/871/ |
| 02:37.37 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 02:37.40 | bluspacecow | i lolzed anyways |
| 02:38.01 | Wobin | you don't question the source of the charity, you just take it -as- charity |
| 02:38.29 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 02:38.32 | Wobin | (also, lol at the artifacts on the 3d) |
| 02:38.37 | bluspacecow | xkcd is now xk3d |
| 02:39.02 | Wobin | aww, I was hoping he'd take that domain too =P |
| 02:39.07 | Jamash | I think my favorite interview question was one I didn't know the answer to: "If there are four ants at the corner of a square one unit on a side, and each ant walks directly towards the ant clockwise of it until they meet, how far does each ant travel?" |
| 02:39.43 | Iriel | Jamash: actually yeah, that's true - it' depends on the role I guess |
| 02:39.53 | Wobin | Jamash: It'd depend on how fast the ants walked, no? |
| 02:39.59 | Iriel | They walk forever |
| 02:40.00 | Jamash | Wobin: No |
| 02:40.07 | Jamash | Iriel: No |
| 02:40.26 | Wobin | cause I'm picturing a spiral to the centre |
| 02:40.32 | Iriel | Actually, it depends on whether "a corner" means they're at the SAME corner |
| 02:40.37 | Iriel | in which case, "0 distance" |
| 02:40.39 | Jamash | The answer (which I didn't know) was that they meet in the center of the square having each traveled exactly one unit |
| 02:40.44 | Jamash | Iriel: One on each corner |
| 02:40.53 | Jamash | I left out an "s" |
| 02:40.57 | Iriel | Oh, I see, they keep adjusting their direction. |
| 02:41.17 | Wobin | but the shorter they step, the longer the distance? |
| 02:41.25 | Wobin | if their step length is half a unit |
| 02:41.30 | Jamash | but I successfully impressed the interviewer by saying I could probably work out the answer with a path integral |
| 02:41.32 | Wobin | then they only need to step once |
| 02:41.44 | Wobin | or if they're big ants |
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| 02:41.52 | Wobin | one unit in size =) |
| 02:41.55 | Jamash | Wobin: assume a perfectly spherical cow of uniform density |
| 02:42.01 | Wobin | MOO |
| 02:42.11 | Wobin | is it a blue space one? |
| 02:42.54 | Jamash | sure |
| 02:43.15 | Wobin | waaaah |
| 02:43.21 | Wobin | booko.com.au crashed FF =( |
| 02:43.37 | Jamash | I still can't get crabby to show up on the forums :( |
| 02:43.49 | Jamash | speak of the devil |
| 02:43.56 | Jamash | yay |
| 02:44.18 | Jamash | "Many eons ago, the internet was a series of Bulletin Boards Systems and Usenet newsgroups. Users traded stories shareware, hopes and aspirations and connected with other like-minded individuals until the wee hours of the morning ... or until someone picked up the phone." |
| 02:45.01 | Jamash | how bizarre, apparently crabby only appears when I'm logged out |
| 02:49.43 | Dagmar | If it taunted people who were logged in all the while they were logged in, guess what they'd post about |
| 02:49.46 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 02:49.52 | Dagmar | Someone was planning ahead there. :D |
| 02:50.14 | Jamash | it just let me know I logged out, and asked if I forgot my password |
| 02:51.40 | Jamash | Report bugs you find on the website in the Website Bug Reports Forum. Unless it's about my me. I'm purely a figment of your imagination. |
| 02:52.47 | Xinhuan | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1917972139#1 |
| 02:53.13 | Xinhuan | Show/Hide pants has been added to the Interface Options menu |
| 02:53.14 | Xinhuan | WIN |
| 02:53.18 | Jamash | YES |
| 02:53.25 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 02:53.37 | bluspacecow | april foools ? |
| 02:54.37 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 02:54.42 | Jamash | "All mage spells that deal Fire damage now appear green." :-[ |
| 02:54.57 | Jamash | Y U MOCK ME BLIZZ? |
| 02:54.59 | Xinhuan | Look closer at the name again: "Patch 4.1.11 Preview" |
| 02:54.59 | Xinhuan | 4.1.11 >>> 1st of april 2011 ;) |
| 02:55.02 | Xinhuan | wow, that's awesome |
| 02:55.27 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 02:55.29 | bluspacecow | "Due to player feedback regarding night elf, blood elf, and worgen âflippyâ jumps, player characters can no longer jump." |
| 02:55.30 | Xinhuan | "The Worgen âsniffâ sound has been replaced by Rebecca Blackâs hit single, Friday. The song will play in its entirety. Every time." |
| 02:55.46 | Dagmar | Yeah, my Worgen would be deleted with the speakers disconnected on that one |
| 02:55.52 | Xinhuan | "This thread is sticky. While the name may sound funny, it actually means its a very important post" |
| 02:55.52 | Xinhuan | ~Crabby |
| 02:55.59 | Xinhuan | way to go crabby! |
| 02:56.06 | Jamash | o Lightwell |
| 02:56.08 | Dagmar | Not only "no" but large, piping hot buckets of fresh "NO" |
| 02:56.19 | Jamash | that's an entire bullet point |
| 02:56.30 | Dagmar | It's Lightwell. :) |
| 02:56.39 | Wobin | Cairenn: aw puppy http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liznje0Myw1qzcggro1_400.jpg |
| 02:56.49 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 02:57.02 | Dagmar | Oh man what happened to his leg? |
| 02:57.07 | Dagmar | Poor little guy |
| 02:57.11 | Jamash | "All Shadow priest spells that deal Fire damage now appear green." oh ffs |
| 02:57.16 | Wobin | http://animalswithcasts.com/ may be the worst site ever =( |
| 02:57.22 | Wobin | so much cute, so much pain =( |
| 02:57.50 | Dagmar | I like what they're doing with talent points. |
| 02:58.13 | Jamash | bus shock, huh |
| 02:58.17 | Jamash | too soon? |
| 02:58.18 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:58.57 | Dagmar | Warlocks being able to put points in mage trees. :) |
| 02:59.13 | Jamash | does that include the green fire tree? |
| 02:59.26 | Dagmar | Probably so. |
| 02:59.26 | Jamash | because if so, sold |
| 02:59.26 | Dagmar | I think pretty much all fire is now green |
| 02:59.34 | Wobin | aw sooty =( http://www.flickr.com/photos/fftang/248335037 |
| 02:59.46 | Dagmar | I didn't get the hunter one about vote kicking. I never get kicked. |
| 03:00.47 | Wobin | you need to be more of a huntard then |
| 03:00.59 | Dagmar | No thanks. I've seen enough of those leveling my druid healer. |
| 03:01.16 | Dagmar | Watching a guy in ramps trying to tame one of the wolves with the collars... |
| 03:01.25 | Jamash | heroic 5-man level 85 ICC: oy |
| 03:01.28 | Dagmar | ...by running up to it while it's in the middle of a pack of mobs we *haven't pulled yet* |
| 03:01.35 | Jamash | heroic 5-man level 85 bastion of twilight: wat |
| 03:01.45 | Jamash | heroic 5-man level 85 firelands: buh |
| 03:01.51 | Dagmar | Jamash: ..and Deadmines! :) |
| 03:01.58 | Jamash | heroic 5-man level 85 Deadmines: OW MY BRAIN |
| 03:02.28 | Jamash | man we haven't had patch notes this good since caydiem's fake 1.11 notes |
| 03:03.12 | Dagmar | I would like to know more about the racial wenching bonus |
| 03:03.15 | Dagmar | :) |
| 03:03.37 | Dagmar | seems to me that could be more useful than the archaeology racial |
| 03:04.50 | Jamash | what the heck is scaleform |
| 03:05.04 | Jamash | oh god it's flash for video games |
| 03:05.26 | Dagmar | yep |
| 03:05.32 | Iriel | Scaleform is everywhere |
| 03:05.33 | Dagmar | I was about to paste a link to their site. heh |
| 03:05.40 | Jamash | that's... horrific |
| 03:05.45 | Dagmar | Yes, it is. :) |
| 03:10.47 | Dagmar | If it wouldn't be hitting just a little too close to home, I wouldn't have been suprised to see something about scopes being removed from the game in favor of giving hunters a new Gym Badge Case slot |
| 03:11.10 | Jamash | I don't get it... oh wait pokemans |
| 03:11.27 | Dagmar | You'd have to fight epic world bosses and collect their drops to increase the power of your weapon |
| 03:11.37 | Jamash | don't you do that already? |
| 03:11.40 | Dagmar | Just about |
| 03:11.59 | Dagmar | That's what I meant about it hitting a little too close to home |
| 03:12.39 | Dagmar | Spesh with as many hunters who throw out an ice trap to help "catch" the new pet |
| 03:13.26 | Jamash | someone killed me while I tried to tame terrorpene, then killed it :( |
| 03:14.27 | Dagmar | Wait... someone did something shitty on a PvP server? |
| 03:14.31 | Jamash | yeah yeah |
| 03:14.35 | Jamash | laugh it up, fuzzball |
| 03:14.54 | Dagmar | Hell just be glad they're not able to scream at you about what they're going to do to your dead grandmother |
| 03:15.34 | Jamash | well, since you can create opposite faction characters on pvp servers, they are |
| 03:16.53 | Dagmar | I don't mean to trivialize the crap that that is, but it's pretty much exactly the reason I won't even touch PvP servers anymore |
| 03:17.25 | Dagmar | Might as well replace the word "Honor" with "LULZ" because it has absolutely f**k all to do with honor |
| 03:18.12 | Jamash | I didn't pick the server, my sister did |
| 03:19.25 | Dagmar | My former boss had the bright idea to start an office _raiding guild_ on a new, low-pop PvP server |
| 03:19.38 | Jamash | also, going pvp seemed like a good idea at launch |
| 03:20.03 | Dagmar | The last week I even humored that I was writing an email to gm@blizz at least once a night because someone was saying something that if it were said on a city street would probably have gotten someone arrested or worse |
| 03:21.10 | Jamash | nothing wrong with raiding on pvp |
| 03:21.31 | Dagmar | One guy, no joke, asking in trade if he could get a res on Hitler so "he can finish off the jews" |
| 03:21.59 | Dagmar | ...which started a 20 minute discussion amongst these people about the various benefits of that |
| 03:22.06 | Jamash | although starting a raiding guild on a low-pop server seems like a recipe for failure |
| 03:22.15 | Jamash | alliance or horde? |
| 03:22.17 | Dagmar | Jamash: Oh yes, absolutely |
| 03:22.20 | Dagmar | Horde |
| 03:22.32 | Dagmar | The auction house was pretty much eaten up with goldfarmers |
| 03:22.47 | Dagmar | I had to start up a DK just to get a _foothold_ |
| 03:22.51 | Jamash | buh |
| 03:23.22 | Jamash | Well, I've been on the same server since... december 2004? |
| 03:23.44 | Dagmar | Anything worth bothering with in the AH would pretty much be snatched up and relisted at 10x the cost within the hour, simply because the volume was so low |
| 03:24.08 | Dagmar | New toon, no money? So sorry, you don't get to even buy linen cloth until you're at max level doing dailies |
| 03:24.45 | Jamash | if everything worth bothering with was snatched up instantly, doesn't that mean you could make money, say, mining copper? |
| 03:25.02 | Jamash | 'cause that's how I always make money on a new server |
| 03:25.23 | Dagmar | Good luck with that |
| 03:25.31 | Jamash | ? |
| 03:25.45 | Dagmar | Just because it was low pop didn't mean there weren't guys rolling through low-level areas hunting free kills, sadly |
| 03:26.12 | Jamash | copper = uncontested zones |
| 03:26.12 | Dagmar | I made the DK so I could go in and farm SM for enchant mats |
| 03:26.54 | Jamash | durotar alone is a gold mine, figuratively speaking |
| 03:27.13 | Dagmar | That wasn't working for us |
| 03:27.32 | Dagmar | 'cuz 10x "not bloody much" is still "not much" |
| 03:28.02 | Dagmar | Piles of dusts tho... That managed to get some materials and mount money |
| 03:28.07 | Jamash | huh |
| 03:28.46 | Jamash | I generally find that copper sells about 50s to 1g/bar |
| 03:28.58 | Dagmar | I could take the DK and go straight into the Keep or Scarlet M with relative impunity and empty the place out 4-5 times in an hour or two |
| 03:29.07 | Jamash | yeah |
| 03:29.13 | Jamash | brb washing dishes |
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| 03:52.12 | Zootfizzle | Drive by Zooting :P |
| 03:52.22 | Arrowmaster | hey |
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| 03:59.47 | Shirik | My life is complete |
| 04:00.07 | Shirik | I have successfully found a practical purpose for using a variadic macro, variadic function, and pointer-to-member, all in the same segment of code |
| 04:00.25 | widgertick | Congratulations on having an incredibly nerdy bucket list |
| 04:00.46 | Shirik | :P |
| 04:01.01 | widgertick | ;) |
| 04:02.20 | Cide | Tucker: yep, that's it |
| 04:02.23 | Cide | mt |
| 04:04.17 | Cide | mt |
| 04:04.19 | Cide | ARGH |
| 04:04.22 | Ackis | mt |
| 04:05.19 | widgertick | mt |
| 04:05.58 | Shirik | Cide you wish you used a pointer-to-member don't you |
| 04:06.30 | Cide | I'll point you to a member |
| 04:06.39 | widgertick | Shirik doesn't need pointers to find members |
| 04:06.53 | Cide | oh.. |
| 04:07.31 | widgertick | They point at him ;P |
| 04:08.38 | widgertick | Anyway, it's been a blast from the past! |
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| 04:25.23 | Wobin | hehe best AFD joke so far http://blog.ksplice.com/2011/04/smb-1985-0001-advisory/ |
| 04:31.11 | Cairenn | you didn't like ours? :p |
| 04:34.37 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 04:34.42 | bluspacecow | i hasnt checked it out yet ! |
| 04:34.43 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 04:35.04 | bluspacecow | *checks* LOLZ |
| 04:35.29 | bluspacecow | i liked the one about paladin's text now sparkling |
| 04:35.45 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 04:35.52 | Shirik | I think the best part is that youtube directs me to here: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-0654 |
| 04:36.08 | Shirik | Integer underflow in the BowserWriteErrorLogEntry function in the Common Internet File System (CIFS) browser service in Mrxsmb.sys or bowser.sys in Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Active Directory allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) and possibly execute arbitrary code via a crafted BROWSER ELECTION request, leading to a heap-based buffer overflow. NOTE: some of these details are obtained fro |
| 04:36.11 | Shirik | Except that's a real one |
| 04:37.23 | Cide | bowser election requests should ALWAYS FAIL |
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| 05:21.01 | Wobin | "The provided patch and this advisory were prepared by Lakitu Cloud Security, Inc." |
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| 05:34.37 | ccox | crap, battle.net 100% ping loss |
| 05:35.56 | mckenziemc | ~ping battle.net |
| 05:35.56 | purl | pong battle.net |
| 05:36.02 | mckenziemc | looks like it works to me |
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| 05:46.54 | sylvanaar | Judgment (new ability) |
| 05:46.59 | sylvanaar | thats special |
| 05:47.09 | sylvanaar | (sic) |
| 05:57.31 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:57.43 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:57.51 | Shirik | bah he's not here |
| 05:58.04 | mckenziemc | i almost think Blizzard should forum-ban anyone who complains about unconfirmed results of datamining... |
| 05:59.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:59.57 | sylvanaar | ? |
| 06:00.19 | karl_w_w | ? |
| 06:00.36 | sylvanaar | how do i make the crab on the forums go away |
| 06:01.01 | sylvanaar | its just sitting there staring at me and moving its arms |
| 06:01.48 | karl_w_w | flashblock |
| 06:03.42 | sylvanaar | crabby - good name for it |
| 06:04.30 | sylvanaar | now im lonely |
| 06:08.54 | mckenziemc | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/166672/dk-dmg-nerfed-again-survivability-untouched |
| 06:09.06 | karl_w_w | anyone remember the name of the addon that when you (I think) middle click a unit a raid marker wheel appears around your cursor? |
| 06:11.04 | mckenziemc | this example isn't too bad and my conclusion is irrational, but seriously... people need to stop assuming datamined stuff is the final word |
| 06:13.05 | karl_w_w | pvp is just annoying now |
| 06:13.33 | karl_w_w | its just a series of disables |
| 06:13.41 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 06:15.44 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2325614163 fail thread |
| 06:17.59 | Iriel | Crabby just linked me to the Friday video on youtube, bastard |
| 06:20.10 | mckenziemc | lol x2 |
| 06:28.26 | karl_w_w | why do so many bad players play wow :( |
| 06:29.58 | dafzor | karl_w_w, because it's fun? |
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| 06:30.18 | karl_w_w | me, in response to another 'how duz I castsequence macro' question: "You could try putting different abilities on different buttons and then deciding which one to press based on current circumstances." |
| 06:30.23 | karl_w_w | I enjoyed that |
| 06:31.26 | dafzor | sure you're not confusing bad with extremely lazy players? |
| 06:31.43 | dafzor | not that both categories are self excluding |
| 06:32.40 | sylvanaar | what is the friday video? or should i ask |
| 06:32.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 |
| 06:33.00 | karl_w_w | best video ever |
| 06:33.09 | mckenziemc | so far the "don't ask" approach is working for me |
| 06:33.50 | karl_w_w | wow the comments are still going strong |
| 06:34.19 | dafzor | sylvanaar, just the latest example of something so bad that it's actually good |
| 06:34.33 | sylvanaar | wow i think im having a stroke |
| 06:34.56 | Cairenn | sylvanaar: seriously? |
| 06:36.12 | Cairenn | nm, I just read back |
| 06:36.31 | sylvanaar | 75 million views |
| 06:36.37 | mckenziemc | Cairenn: >< |
| 06:36.47 | Cairenn | mckenziemc: ? |
| 06:36.57 | Arrowmaster | is that a record for most views on youtube or something? |
| 06:37.14 | dafzor | Arrowmaster, doubt it |
| 06:37.16 | karl_w_w | its the highest ive seen |
| 06:38.09 | sylvanaar | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_10_youtube_videos_of_all_time.php |
| 06:38.19 | sylvanaar | its not the highest apparently |
| 06:38.31 | dafzor | ye |
| 06:39.06 | dafzor | sylvanaar google foo is faster then mine |
| 06:39.07 | sylvanaar | i know im old because nothing in that 10 interests me in the slightest |
| 06:39.28 | mckenziemc | omg |
| 06:40.18 | mckenziemc | crabby just said "I'm glad that Stryknine made this topic. They raise some great points, don't you agree?" about that thread karl_w_w linked |
| 06:40.21 | dafzor | sylvanaar, not even charlie the bitting baby? |
| 06:40.29 | sylvanaar | i think justin bieber is gettin all those hits from the same 1000 or so 12 year old girls watching the clips over and over |
| 06:40.53 | karl_w_w | i dont have crabby on my forums |
| 06:40.57 | karl_w_w | and it makes me happy |
| 06:41.20 | mckenziemc | i haven't bothered changing Opera's settings |
| 06:41.36 | mckenziemc | the crab isn't showing but his dialogue boxes are >.> |
| 06:41.45 | karl_w_w | thats quite impressive |
| 06:41.47 | sylvanaar | dafzor: ok im going to watch this baby video |
| 06:42.21 | karl_w_w | bieber's video at the top of the list has over 500 mil views, and 1.2 mil dislikes, rebecca black's has 75 mil views and 1.6 mil dislikes |
| 06:42.29 | karl_w_w | that's how bad it is :P |
| 06:42.38 | karl_w_w | 1.5* |
| 06:42.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:43.06 | dafzor | haters gonna hate |
| 06:43.17 | Arrowmaster | should be a way to track videos with the most dislikes |
| 06:43.38 | sylvanaar | oh i can thumbs down this stuff...im interested now |
| 06:43.56 | Arrowmaster | do you have to be logged in to dislike? |
| 06:44.06 | karl_w_w | dont think so |
| 06:44.35 | dafzor | hum, if this is to be belived http://www.indyposted.com/156366/the-10-most-disliked-videos-on-youtube-videos/ |
| 06:44.42 | dafzor | miss Black takes the lead |
| 06:45.02 | mckenziemc | hah |
| 06:45.32 | dafzor | ofc, i do belive the truly disliked videos don't get watched, let alone voted on |
| 06:46.18 | dafzor | kind of makes me wish i'd majored in sociology, it's always so interesting |
| 06:46.38 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqq3cgvZSTE |
| 06:47.21 | Arrowmaster | truly though i think its just chance that friday his watched and hated so much, honestly if you watch some of the others from ark music factory they are just as bad and could have been the one everybody was loving to hate |
| 06:47.42 | karl_w_w | of course |
| 06:47.57 | karl_w_w | just like there are things as good as the best things and not liked as much |
| 06:48.51 | Arrowmaster | go watch that butterflies one, i bet you cant make it through the entire video without wanting to puncture your ear drums |
| 06:49.03 | karl_w_w | the only thing that really means anything is number of likes/dislikes per view |
| 06:49.11 | dafzor | Arrowmaster, can you link it please? |
| 06:49.23 | Arrowmaster | its probably in the related list on friady |
| 06:50.07 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHfRUW99aI top of the related list for friday |
| 06:50.27 | dafzor | oh, didn't notice thanks |
| 06:50.40 | dafzor | hum... autotune overdose |
| 06:50.52 | Arrowmaster | for the entire song! |
| 06:52.45 | dafzor | i might risk saying that butterflies lyrics make more sense then friday :) |
| 06:53.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah but the repetitiveness is a lot more annoying |
| 06:56.33 | dafzor | still friday hit that perfect mix of factors that made it a "disaster" too compelling to look away and ignore, one has to admire how perfectly bad it is |
| 06:57.32 | dafzor | i wonder if miss black will look back at it with pride or shame in a few years time |
| 06:57.43 | mckenziemc | good question |
| 06:59.14 | sylvanaar | this is a whole different world - nothing is familiar |
| 07:00.12 | dafzor | now back to my more pressing matters, should i split my porn into it's own spot or just let it stay with the rest of the video collection... i always get the hard ones :\ |
| 07:00.27 | sylvanaar | do you |
| 07:00.48 | sylvanaar | you usually want to keep it separate |
| 07:00.53 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 07:01.34 | sylvanaar | its like locking the door when using the restroom, it prevents embarassing mishaps |
| 07:01.51 | karl_w_w | especially as most players will load up the next/previous videos if you press next/previous |
| 07:01.53 | dafzor | but wouldn't that be a marginalization of sex and with it perpetuating social taboos that shouldn't really exist? |
| 07:02.20 | mckenziemc | if it's for your own safety and you know it, then there's no problem |
| 07:02.21 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 07:03.02 | dafzor | i don't separate the ultra violent ones and nobody seems to feel it relevant |
| 07:03.13 | mckenziemc | just make a "nsfw" folder |
| 07:03.25 | mckenziemc | then you've got sound reasoning behind it :p |
| 07:04.15 | sylvanaar | i recommend calling the folder porn |
| 07:04.29 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 07:04.34 | sylvanaar | again - prevents embarassing mishaps |
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| 07:06.17 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/xP2mD |
| 07:06.25 | dafzor | still, it's hard putting all the porn in a separate folder without feeling an hypocrite |
| 07:07.19 | sylvanaar | really, i would just feel like i had tidyied things up |
| 07:12.39 | dafzor | ah well, i guess having madagascar next to big tities 5 was probably a bad idea :\ |
| 07:12.52 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 07:13.31 | dafzor | not so much |
| 07:14.11 | dafzor | for porn being bad but mostly from how pissed of some parent my get cause his kid was browsing my stuff |
| 07:14.37 | dafzor | or some such ridiculous thing |
| 07:16.30 | dafzor | but what about movies like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020885/ were do you put them? |
| 07:16.49 | karl_w_w | partyin partyin *yeah* |
| 07:25.53 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit with an archaeology trainer |
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| 07:26.14 | airtonix | http://static.funpic.hu/_files/pictures/original/87/87/38787.jpg |
| 07:31.03 | sylvanaar | i need some suggestions on high profile projects that use lua where i can peddle my IDE |
| 07:33.43 | sylvanaar | maybe I should make a music video |
| 07:33.56 | mckenziemc | :< |
| 07:39.55 | Adys | sylvanaar: wireshark |
| 07:40.03 | Adys | or |
| 07:40.07 | Adys | what kind of use are you looking for? |
| 07:40.08 | sylvanaar | vlc |
| 07:40.26 | Adys | just plugin/addon embedding? |
| 07:40.30 | sylvanaar | just people tp use my ide and give feedback, thats it |
| 07:41.01 | Adys | yeah but what kind of projects? |
| 07:41.02 | sylvanaar | no, common lua as well |
| 07:41.07 | Adys | ah |
| 07:41.08 | Adys | hm |
| 07:41.34 | Adys | outside of a few games, i cant think of many |
| 07:43.10 | sylvanaar | yeah, i alreay have Lighroom, Corona, and Wow users, but there must be others |
| 07:43.21 | Adys | well wireshark |
| 07:43.43 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lua-scripted_video_games |
| 07:43.45 | Adys | maybe this can help |
| 07:44.01 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lua-scripted_software |
| 07:45.24 | mckenziemc | could using a power supply with too low of a wattage actually damage hardware (aside from standard power-loss things like hard drives, if that's even relevant anymore) or is that a myth? |
| 07:46.21 | Adys | it could |
| 07:46.41 | Adys | probably not because of power issues themselves, more likely because of a component failing at a bad time |
| 07:46.59 | mckenziemc | hmm i guess that makes sense |
| 07:47.09 | Adys | possibly as well faulty hardware that doesn't deal well with low power |
| 07:47.25 | mckenziemc | not sure if i want to risk running this other computer with the power supply that's in it, to see if it's really enough |
| 07:48.04 | Adys | what are the specs? |
| 07:48.43 | mckenziemc | it's an old emachines T6212 with the stock 300W PS in it, and i want to put in an old ATI PCIE card but i forgot the model number |
| 07:48.43 | mckenziemc | sec |
| 07:49.05 | mckenziemc | ATI video card* |
| 07:49.17 | mckenziemc | X1600 Pro |
| 07:49.42 | mckenziemc | i thought this computer had a 430W in it at one point but idk what happened to it |
| 07:50.11 | Adys | that wont be enough |
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| 07:50.16 | mckenziemc | and it had issues with the video blacking out, which we though was from the PSU being to weak but i later traced it to a driver conflict |
| 07:50.21 | Adys | 400w bare minimum |
| 07:50.30 | dafzor | you could always plug it in and run something to stress and see how voltage vary with some monitor app or something |
| 07:50.41 | mckenziemc | yeah that's what i was thinking |
| 07:51.20 | airtonix | sylvanaar: i think openwrt uses lua for the serverside web interface. |
| 07:51.22 | Adys | ati strongly recomments 450 as minimum |
| 07:51.26 | airtonix | maybe ddwrt too |
| 07:51.41 | Adys | so id say dont go under 400 |
| 07:52.20 | dafzor | but is mckenziemc even gona run games on it? |
| 07:52.36 | mckenziemc | Adys: i realize each rail has its own maximum wattage but it seems like those recommendations are way over, at least for a system with a bunch of parts. My video card in this computer recommends a 450W and i have a 430W in it, but last i checked it only used ~120W |
| 07:52.40 | mckenziemc | that was idle though |
| 07:52.44 | mckenziemc | it'll be for WoW |
| 07:52.59 | Adys | yeah no, wow stresses the video card pretty badly |
| 07:53.04 | mckenziemc | at least for a system without a bunch of extra parts* |
| 07:53.30 | dafzor | imo there's no replacement for testing, just try it and see |
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| 07:53.41 | Adys | and keep in mind, the psu needs to have spare juice for the rest AND some extra (most PSUs shut down at 100% capacity) |
| 07:53.51 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 07:54.33 | mckenziemc | _theoretically_ if too much power is being drawn and the voltage sags too mch, the PSU should shut off the system, right? |
| 07:54.58 | Fisker | only if it's a shitty brand |
| 07:54.58 | dafzor | if the voltages are low the pc will likely crash before that |
| 07:55.06 | Adys | you mean only if it's a good brand |
| 07:55.16 | Fisker | most quality PSU's shutdown 110% or maybe 120% |
| 07:55.51 | Adys | it's more of a security issue than anything else |
| 07:55.53 | nevcairiel | A good PSU will just shut down, a bad PSU will not have those protections and your system moste likely crash. |
| 07:56.00 | Adys | aye |
| 07:56.11 | Fisker | a bad PSU will simply just pop and die |
| 07:56.18 | dafzor | most shitty psu's just blow themselves up, but ofc there's always those unlucky cases were they take the pc with them, same way most planes don't crash but some do :\ |
| 07:56.36 | nevcairiel | I would never save money on the PSU |
| 07:56.48 | mckenziemc | i don't have money to buy a better one |
| 07:56.59 | mckenziemc | but i might be able to find that 430 that disappeared |
| 07:57.06 | dafzor | half decent psu's aren't even that expensive you can have one for 40 euros or so |
| 07:57.13 | Fisker | heh i remember that argument mckenziemc ! |
| 07:57.22 | Adys | see it that way: if you dont have money to buy a better one, that means you have even less money to buy a new one and repair the rest of your PC when this one blows up |
| 07:57.51 | Fisker | Where i worked some idiots kept switching the power input switch from 230v to 110v |
| 07:57.57 | mckenziemc | aye, but it's a spare PC anyway |
| 07:58.07 | Adys | if you're really short on money, i'd look at getting something off ebay |
| 07:58.16 | Adys | it's a bit of a bet there, I wouldnt buy computer parts on ebay personally |
| 07:58.20 | nevcairiel | Mine is rated 650W, but it was tested to work reliable up to 800W (sure, it gets hot and noisy, but voltage remains stable) |
| 07:58.37 | mckenziemc | Fisker: huh? |
| 07:58.48 | Fisker | "They couldn't afford buying the slightly more expensive one with power factor correction" |
| 07:58.58 | nevcairiel | Fisker: get a smart PSU that can deal with both without a switch |
| 07:58.59 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 07:59.09 | Fisker | So we actually changed that same machines PSU 8 times before they gave up |
| 07:59.11 | Fisker | derp |
| 07:59.12 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 07:59.26 | dafzor | nevcairiel, if they have a switch they're not smart psu's |
| 07:59.36 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 07:59.45 | Fisker | mine has a switch :( |
| 07:59.50 | Fisker | on/off switch |
| 07:59.50 | Fisker | bam |
| 07:59.58 | nevcairiel | i was seeing that coming |
| 08:00.07 | dafzor | Fisker, sure it was the user and not someone looking for payback? |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker | It's a school |
| 08:00.40 | Fisker | Kids think messing with shit is funny |
| 08:00.41 | nevcairiel | so it was just moronic kids |
| 08:00.51 | Adys | dont talk about Fisker like that |
| 08:02.18 | dafzor | Fisker, nobody thought of removing the switch or bobitrapping it? |
| 08:03.10 | Fisker | they've tried sealing it up with glue |
| 08:03.20 | mckenziemc | haha |
| 08:03.25 | Fisker | boobytrapping it is probably illegal |
| 08:03.54 | Fisker | and removing the switch will probably not work and just give them a chance to get electrocute anyway |
| 08:03.57 | Fisker | electrocuted* |
| 08:03.58 | dafzor | Fisker, was thinking more in the lines of ultra violet paint or some such thing |
| 08:04.12 | nevcairiel | just route the full 220v current through the switch |
| 08:04.16 | nevcairiel | that will teach em |
| 08:04.24 | dafzor | but resourceful little vandals you had there |
| 08:04.54 | Fisker | yeah we did talk about getting a metal switch so we could run the power through it |
| 08:05.19 | Dagmar | That would only be vandalism if you have 200v coming out of the wall |
| 08:05.36 | nevcairiel | since we're not the US, we do |
| 08:06.28 | Dagmar | might be time to buy better power supplies, then. ;) |
| 08:06.46 | Fisker | It's public funding |
| 08:07.17 | Fisker | took 8 tries of stupid beuracracy to make them see that it was worth their while to get one with pfc |
| 08:07.33 | Dagmar | Which ya waste by letting something happen seven more times that a single tube of crazy glue could have fixed |
| 08:07.46 | Fisker | we tried glue :P |
| 08:07.59 | Fisker | eventuelly they got it off |
| 08:08.30 | dafzor | when it comes to destruction, kids find a way |
| 08:09.46 | dafzor | although i can relate to wanting to destroy school computers, as i was finishing up they had xp computers loaded with av and crap and a lovely 128mb of ram, which ofc had to be shared by the video card too |
| 08:09.59 | Adys | kd3: "gdi32: Add a skeleton dib driver." |
| 08:10.00 | Adys | \o/ |
| 08:10.20 | Fisker | holy shit |
| 08:10.21 | Fisker | UMADBRO |
| 08:10.22 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1917902289 |
| 08:10.32 | Fisker | so..much...rageeeeeeeee |
| 08:10.33 | mckenziemc | now that i think about it i think the computer did pop up an error message about insufficient power a long time ago, after the video blanked out and the system had to be rebooted. |
| 08:10.50 | mckenziemc | that was when my cousins learned Best Buy doesn't know computer stuff |
| 08:10.58 | mckenziemc | (it was my cousins' computer) |
| 08:11.15 | mckenziemc | and BB didn't say anything when my cousins had them install the video card |
| 08:11.40 | solocommand | dafzor, i work in school IT....management has decided we are rolling out windows 7 on existing infrastructure next year. |
| 08:11.52 | solocommand | I don't plan to be working in education much longer. |
| 08:12.01 | airtonix | lawl |
| 08:12.04 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 08:12.04 | airtonix | fucking morons |
| 08:12.18 | mckenziemc | how old is the hardware? |
| 08:12.29 | solocommand | 8yr average |
| 08:12.32 | Dagmar | lol |
| 08:12.38 | airtonix | pentium 4 ? |
| 08:12.45 | solocommand | yep. |
| 08:12.53 | Adys | crabby looks a lot lamer when it's a grey square |
| 08:12.54 | Adys | stupid flash |
| 08:13.04 | mckenziemc | haha |
| 08:13.14 | Adys | they could have at least made an effort to write it in html |
| 08:13.18 | airtonix | solocommand: that'll fine if all they do is use google chrome |
| 08:13.25 | airtonix | and a few tabs |
| 08:13.46 | mckenziemc | 8 years _average_ though |
| 08:13.54 | dafzor | solocommand, it's doable if very well managed and locked down to hell too keep it that way, unfortunately in my experience schools don't usually have qualified staff to pull that off |
| 08:14.06 | airtonix | but as soon as you try to connect to a non existant network share... BAM "Windows Explorer has stopped repsonding and needs to close" |
| 08:14.36 | solocommand | airtonix: chrome won't run with 512mb memory on 7. well. it might crawl. |
| 08:14.47 | airtonix | yeah it will unfortunately |
| 08:15.01 | airtonix | further strengthening the case for hte ignorant management |
| 08:15.11 | solocommand | sighs |
| 08:15.14 | airtonix | "See :>>>> it werks!!!!" |
| 08:15.21 | airtonix | you : :< |
| 08:15.29 | solocommand | It's not just administration either, the IT manager is an idiot. |
| 08:15.54 | airtonix | yeah well, i imaging that the entry bar for employment is fairly low |
| 08:16.03 | solocommand | Honestly though I'm betting the main reason schools don't have qualified staff is because of the pay scale. |
| 08:16.18 | solocommand | I made more managing a taco bell after high school than I do here. |
| 08:17.07 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_547&products_id=16996 |
| 08:18.09 | dafzor | solocommand, that's assuming they have qualified staff, on my schools had some of their computers systems given by district all locked down so nobody could do anything to then, they had to call a "service" guy payed by the our to do anything |
| 08:19.17 | dafzor | solocommand, they runed like crap, nobody in the school know how to work then and the "service" guy was too expensive to call unless absolutely necessary... kind of pissed me of to see money wasted like that |
| 08:19.43 | solocommand | Yeah. |
| 08:20.21 | solocommand | Heh. All staff and students have local administrative access to all machines. And that's considered normal. |
| 08:20.40 | dafzor | in my opinion that works best |
| 08:20.55 | dafzor | just ghost restore a pristine one every week and you're done |
| 08:21.07 | dafzor | it management anyone can understand |
| 08:21.20 | dafzor | *pristine image |
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| 08:22.03 | dafzor | hell, if you want to go overboard have it setup to work like a "live cd", everytime it boots it's a pristine system |
| 08:22.15 | solocommand | I was told I wasn't allowed to use steadystate/cleanslate/deepfreeze/etc. And honestly I couldn't make time to image 600 machines a week at my building, let alone the other 7 |
| 08:22.56 | dafzor | you can automate it |
| 08:23.43 | solocommand | not with our imaging solution, I've tried pushing for it. |
| 08:24.02 | solocommand | We're mostly a novell shop, using zenworks. |
| 08:24.40 | solocommand | Which supports remote wake/imaging, but our "novell experts" can't get it working. |
| 08:24.41 | solocommand | :| |
| 08:24.59 | mckenziemc | go with a variant of dafzor's idea, every week, put ubuntu live CDs in each computer |
| 08:25.02 | dafzor | so yours is a case of "we spend a butt load of money on some crap that doesn't do what would be best and we're not changing because it would show how much money the idiot that got us this wasted"? |
| 08:25.20 | solocommand | Yep |
| 08:26.02 | solocommand | and this summer we're dropping $200k on a cisco desktop virtualization solution, but only buying enough licenses for a tenth of the machines. |
| 08:26.32 | solocommand | and no thin clients to replace the 8+ yr old machines with pieces falling off. :/ |
| 08:26.40 | solocommand | like I said, I don't plan to be here much longer. |
| 08:26.51 | dafzor | politics of management, everyone doing their best to cover the smell of their shit :( |
| 08:27.04 | solocommand | yeah :| |
| 08:28.04 | dafzor | i don't have much experience but i get the feeling it's not much better in most companies |
| 08:29.11 | solocommand | Probably, yeah |
| 08:32.35 | dafzor | funny, been googleling and haven't found a windows image solution that restores an image on boot, you'd think there would be a demand for it |
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| 08:35.13 | solocommand | well, I know zenworks can; ours just isn't setup correctly. I |
| 08:35.20 | solocommand | I'm sure there are several that could be setup to do it. |
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| 08:59.18 | dafzor | seems all i could find was PXE based solutions :( |
| 09:01.08 | mckenziemc | wouldn't that be the way to do it? |
| 09:01.25 | solocommand | Yeah, it would |
| 09:05.14 | dafzor | on a proper network but schools tend to have very mixed environments, can't expect PXE to work on all machines. |
| 09:05.27 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 09:05.36 | mckenziemc | so you wanted something hard drive based |
| 09:06.44 | dafzor | i was expecting to find a grub based alternative that would restore the image every few days or something, imo that would be the best for school computers used by students |
| 09:07.04 | mckenziemc | true |
| 09:07.07 | dafzor | just put big warnings on the monitors saying "save it on a usb pen or lose it" |
| 09:10.19 | dafzor | actualy |
| 09:11.07 | dafzor | shutdown script that uses diskpart to change active partition on the pc, reboot, restore system boots, restores image, changes back active partition, reboots >< |
| 09:11.23 | dafzor | dah, i was also overcomplicating things... |
| 09:11.58 | mckenziemc | what happens when someone manually restarts a system |
| 09:12.21 | mckenziemc | i mean, how would you make it know when to restore and when not to |
| 09:12.52 | dafzor | unless they hard restart it should still run |
| 09:13.02 | dafzor | the restore os would make the decision |
| 09:13.05 | Xinhuan | can't believe i missed this yesterday |
| 09:13.06 | Xinhuan | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2325614706 |
| 09:13.07 | dafzor | script on boot |
| 09:13.13 | dafzor | also i just found out this http://grub.enbug.org/LUASupport |
| 09:13.13 | mckenziemc | ah good point |
| 09:13.16 | dafzor | :p |
| 09:14.23 | dafzor | never expected a bootloader to support lua |
| 09:14.39 | nevcairiel | in my old school, they had some hardware device that was resetting the hdd, but of course that costs money |
| 09:17.34 | dafzor | wouldn't be interesting to find a "read-only" hdd |
| 09:18.14 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 09:22.05 | dafzor | also found out about http://serverfault.com/ in all this research |
| 09:24.30 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 09:27.51 | mckenziemc | "Fixed a bug where Terran players were able to lose a game." |
| 09:29.10 | Xinhuan | the dance studio reference was cool |
| 09:29.17 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 09:33.10 | nevcairiel | how does that go now when you play TvT? |
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| 09:33.22 | mckenziemc | tie |
| 09:43.43 | dafzor | or rips a tear in reality by creating a paradox, one of the two |
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| 10:01.11 | airtonix | solocommand: mckenziemc, "how would you make it know when to restore and when not to" >>> FOG provides ways to manage that, so does CloneZilla-DRBL |
| 10:01.28 | airtonix | FOG even intergrates with windows clients to manage software deployment and other tasks |
| 10:02.53 | airtonix | http://www.fogproject.org/?q=node/1 |
| 10:05.39 | mckenziemc | airtonix: we were talking about scripts |
| 10:06.43 | karl_w_w | so what's a good way to make an assload of gold now, without a gathering profession? |
| 10:08.10 | haste | play the AH |
| 10:08.13 | mckenziemc | sit on a couple gold bars |
| 10:08.34 | airtonix | ^ |
| 10:08.49 | airtonix | paint ur assbro case gold |
| 10:08.58 | mckenziemc | you might want to take some painkillers first |
| 10:09.14 | airtonix | but gold is a soft metal |
| 10:09.31 | mckenziemc | not that soft |
| 10:09.59 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1917902160#5 <-fail :( |
| 10:13.21 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 10:16.24 | airtonix | don't you mean post 4 ? |
| 10:18.52 | Fisker | naw airtonix |
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| 10:21.45 | airtonix | Fisker: so what do you think of the nzxt h2 |
| 10:22.05 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 10:22.06 | mckenziemc | slaps airtonix around a bit with security through obscurity |
| 10:22.23 | airtonix | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 10:22.27 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16996 |
| 10:24.49 | Fisker | the touch fans are kinda cool |
| 10:25.39 | Fisker | unfortunately there's a big dealbreaker about it |
| 10:26.08 | mckenziemc | airtonix: then it worked |
| 10:27.17 | nevcairiel | wth is a touch fan |
| 10:28.22 | Fisker | just that instead of having a cable there's a little PCB on it with 2 connectors pads |
| 10:29.44 | nevcairiel | what i always thought would be a good idea, add fan power connectors at the places where the fans are supposed to be, so you don't have to have these long wires all through the case .. but no-one did that |
| 10:29.54 | Adys | airtonix: that looks exactly the same as the p180 |
| 10:30.09 | Fisker | It's basically the same nevcairiel |
| 10:30.09 | Adys | except for the weird EHD thing |
| 10:30.50 | nevcairiel | i have a P183, love it |
| 10:31.05 | Adys | 183? |
| 10:31.54 | nevcairiel | you know, a few years newer then the 180 |
| 10:32.07 | Adys | im asking what the diff is with the 182 :P |
| 10:32.17 | Adys | looks to be the same with more connectors |
| 10:32.19 | nevcairiel | supposedly more air |
| 10:32.33 | Adys | sweet, you can breathe longer in case you get trapped inside |
| 10:32.38 | nevcairiel | i dunno, it was the only P18x they sold when i got it |
| 10:32.41 | airtonix | Fisker: what's the deal breaker ? |
| 10:33.33 | mckenziemc | you |
| 10:35.36 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 10:35.38 | Fisker | "Midtower" |
| 10:35.58 | airtonix | explain |
| 10:36.46 | Fisker | Midtower isn't "Fulltower"/"Hightower"/"HTPC Case"/etc. |
| 10:36.51 | airtonix | and ? |
| 10:36.53 | Fisker | also how stupid was it to call it HTPC case? |
| 10:37.43 | airtonix | nevcairiel: meh as soon as i saw the low number of front facing bays that i can use as hot swap bays i lost interest |
| 10:37.59 | airtonix | also, having to use a screw driver would get annoying |
| 10:41.26 | Adys | "My throat exploded into a quagmire of pain, my brain started trying to escape from my head, and disturbingly large quantities of sticky goo began to make its way out of my face." |
| 10:41.32 | Adys | thats a nice thing to read before lunchtime |
| 10:46.28 | solocommand | It may be 6am, but for me its 25 hours into the party. Wonder if I can start drinkin again yet |
| 10:51.24 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AnOedDG_uI |
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| 11:00.33 | airtonix | Fisker: help me understand this |
| 11:00.39 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:02.14 | airtonix | Fisker: i need more ram : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgRWURIxgbU&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s |
| 11:03.48 | Fisker | that's pretty sick |
| 11:06.40 | mckenziemc | Fisker: |
| 11:13.46 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
| 11:14.26 | mikma | mikma |
| 11:14.52 | mckenziemc | ~yousuck mikma |
| 11:14.52 | purl | mikma: you suck |
| 11:14.55 | airtonix | problem? |
| 11:15.13 | mckenziemc | solution. |
| 11:15.22 | dafzor | hugs mikma, it's okay :( |
| 11:26.33 | mikma | no problem, mikma |
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| 12:30.01 | airtonix | Adys: http://vimeo.com/21062117 |
| 12:31.15 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:32.23 | Adys | airtonix: Qt did it long ago |
| 12:32.24 | Adys | :P |
| 12:32.40 | Adys | not exactly like that |
| 12:32.42 | Adys | but close enough |
| 12:32.45 | airtonix | Adys: any link to describe it ? |
| 12:32.52 | Adys | cba, jfgi |
| 12:33.06 | airtonix | my google is broken |
| 12:33.17 | airtonix | i'll download the internet again |
| 12:33.42 | Fisker | i yawned airtonix |
| 12:38.40 | airtonix | Adys: is this what you mean >? http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Embedding%20Widgets%20in%20Web%20Pages |
| 12:39.07 | Adys | no |
| 12:39.08 | airtonix | http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq26-webplugin.html |
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| 13:28.00 | airtonix | Fisker: lol? http://games.on.net/article/12078/Massive_Attack_Exclusive_Reveal_of_GW2_Commando_With_QA |
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| 13:42.16 | Fisker | oh ok airtonix |
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| 13:55.49 | Fisker | kisses Nechckn |
| 13:58.06 | Xinhuan | how many seconds does it take for a rock with initial falling speed of 20 m/s, to hit the ground from a height of 146m, with gravity at 19.64 m/s? |
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| 14:04.12 | Xinhuan | 146 = 9.82 * t * t |
| 14:04.16 | Xinhuan | lua> (146/0.5/19.64)^0.5 |
| 14:04.17 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 3.8558549127195 |
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| 15:00.36 | Fisker | k |
| 15:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | i like to randomly use it in stormwind |
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| 15:01.30 | Mr_Rabies | /y FOXXXXXDIIIIIIIIIIIE! |
| 15:01.36 | Mr_Rabies | *dies* |
| 15:02.32 | Jamash | Bandwidth: 1139565440 Mbps |
| 15:03.23 | A-KO | my ipv6 transition is coming along nicely |
| 15:03.35 | Fisker | why did they go back to using the old authenticator popup? :( |
| 15:05.10 | Fisker | how so A-KO ? |
| 15:05.31 | Fisker | haven't been able to even access the options menu for some weeks now |
| 15:06.15 | A-KO | Fisker: My home LAN is completely dual stack now. I've recently set my webserver up via a tunnel on v6. Everything's working great so far. Just need to move my domains somewhere that supports ipv6 glue and I'll be golden. |
| 15:06.35 | Jamash | ipv6 is a communist plot to dilute our precious bodily fluids |
| 15:07.15 | Fisker | ah |
| 15:07.21 | Fisker | i thought you were talking about the PTR A-KO |
| 15:08.08 | Fisker | soo |
| 15:08.22 | Fisker | according to the PTR my effective bandwitdh is ~1,8Petabit/s |
| 15:08.35 | Fisker | wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom |
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| 15:23.17 | Adys | Fisker |
| 15:23.24 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/RXPJ9.png |
| 15:23.25 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/y9axS.png |
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| 15:23.27 | Adys | do your thing |
| 15:24.15 | Fisker | what thing? :( |
| 15:24.27 | airtonix | Xinhuan: my maths sucks, and so i ask why does your equation leave out 20 ? |
| 15:25.39 | Xinhuan | good point |
| 15:25.43 | Xinhuan | so my answer is wrong |
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| 15:26.36 | nevcairiel | whats with the double gravity anyway |
| 15:27.28 | airtonix | nevcairiel: spatial displacement ? |
| 15:27.32 | airtonix | portal noob |
| 15:27.38 | Xinhuan | its a fictional world |
| 15:27.40 | nevcairiel | also, assuming vaccum, are we? |
| 15:27.47 | Xinhuan | yeah vacuum |
| 15:28.17 | Xinhuan | so whats the correct answer zz |
| 15:29.44 | Xinhuan | my brain hurts |
| 15:31.15 | Xinhuan | 146 = 0.5*19.64*t*t + t*20 ? |
| 15:31.27 | Xinhuan | does that make sense lol |
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| 15:31.45 | foxlit | Xinhuan: how many seconds does it take for a rock with initial falling speed of 20 m/s, to hit the ground from a height of 146m, with gravity at 19.64 m/s? |
| 15:32.06 | nevcairiel | d = vi*t + 0.5*a*t2 |
| 15:32.08 | nevcairiel | solve for t |
| 15:32.36 | foxlit | 19.64/2*x^2 + 20x - 146 = 0 |
| 15:32.53 | Xinhuan | well my solution is that 146 = integrate(20 + 19.64t) |
| 15:33.06 | nevcairiel | you dont need to integrate to solve that |
| 15:33.25 | foxlit | [The question is expressing gravity as a speed, you should whine at that and avoid answering it.] |
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| 15:33.58 | Xinhuan | but its the easiest no? 146 = 0.5*19.64*t*t + 20t |
| 15:34.03 | Xinhuan | which is the same as foxlit's |
| 15:34.15 | foxlit | Quadratic equations are solvable by employing 5th graders. |
| 15:34.18 | Fisker | hey you foxlit |
| 15:34.21 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:34.25 | foxlit | 5th graders probably won't do your integration, though. |
| 15:34.28 | Xinhuan | so what's x... hmm |
| 15:34.57 | nevcairiel | 9.82x² + 20x - 146 = 0 |
| 15:34.59 | foxlit | In my mind, acceleration problems are usually cars travelling some distance |
| 15:35.06 | nevcairiel | solution1: 2.969728858610619 |
| 15:35.17 | foxlit | so x is quite naturally displacement, v is velocity, and a is acceleration. |
| 15:35.17 | nevcairiel | solution 2 is negative, probably not viable :P |
| 15:35.30 | nevcairiel | since we want the time, x is obviously the time |
| 15:35.54 | foxlit | And then I've managed to rephrase it using x for time. |
| 15:36.08 | foxlit | Probably to make it look like a quadratic equation :( |
| 15:37.30 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 15:38.57 | Xinhuan | well i couldn't type ² properly :/ |
| 15:39.35 | Jamash | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=146+%3D+integrate%2820+%2B+19.64t%29 |
| 15:40.44 | nevcairiel | well same result |
| 15:41.00 | nevcairiel | but solving quadratic equations is so easy without integrating |
| 15:41.26 | Fisker | kicks nevcairiel over the feet |
| 15:44.44 | Xinhuan | so lets say a spell lasts for 15 seconds |
| 15:45.13 | Xinhuan | over the duration of the spell, waves of fireball spawn, each wave contains 1 or 2 fireballs |
| 15:45.40 | Xinhuan | the time between each wave of fireballs is 0.4 + random()*0.4 |
| 15:45.46 | Xinhuan | (so between 0.4-0.8) |
| 15:46.02 | Xinhuan | what's the average number of fireballs spawned over the whole spell? |
| 15:46.53 | nevcairiel | 15 * 0.6 * 1.5? |
| 15:47.14 | Xinhuan | i don't think so |
| 15:47.47 | Xinhuan | that gives 13.5, but there's at least 15/0.8 = 18 waves |
| 15:47.55 | Xinhuan | so the minimum number of fireballs is 18 |
| 15:48.11 | nevcairiel | oh right, 15/0.6 * 1.5 |
| 15:48.47 | Xinhuan | is it correct to assume there's an average of 25 waves though? |
| 15:49.11 | nevcairiel | if the sample size is big enough, the random of 0.4-0.8 should average out at 0.6, no? |
| 15:49.17 | Xinhuan | unsure |
| 15:49.32 | Xinhuan | min waves seems to be 18, max waves is 37 |
| 15:49.42 | Xinhuan | i'm confused :/ |
| 15:49.47 | nevcairiel | max is 15/0.4 * 2 |
| 15:50.07 | nevcairiel | oh waves |
| 15:50.11 | nevcairiel | yea waves is 37 |
| 15:50.14 | nevcairiel | fireballs is * 2 |
| 15:50.16 | nevcairiel | the maximum |
| 15:50.25 | Xinhuan | so i'm not sure is 25 is the actual average number of waves |
| 15:50.40 | Xinhuan | since 25 isn't the average of 18 and 37 |
| 15:51.11 | Xinhuan | MADE YOU THINK HUH (lol) |
| 15:52.12 | nevcairiel | the relation of the cast time and the number of waves doesnt work like that |
| 15:52.29 | nevcairiel | but 0.6 is the average time between the waves |
| 15:53.21 | Xinhuan | [Fisker is awfully quiet] |
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| 16:03.56 | foxlit | lua> local c,N = 0,10000; for i=1,N do local t = 0 while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:03.57 | lua_bot | foxlit: 24.5072 |
| 16:04.05 | foxlit | lua> local c,N = 0,1000000; for i=1,N do local t = 0 while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:04.10 | lua_bot | foxlit: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 16:04.39 | foxlit | lua> local c,N = 0,100000; for i=1,N do local t = 0 while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:04.40 | lua_bot | foxlit: 24.51777 |
| 16:05.53 | foxlit | We appear to have lost half a cast. |
| 16:05.58 | Xinhuan | hmmm |
| 16:06.39 | Xinhuan | i wonder why |
| 16:07.23 | airtonix | i have this lamb stew, and it smells like canabis was used in the cooking process |
| 16:07.33 | airtonix | like hindu kush |
| 16:08.05 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N = 0,100000; for i=1,N do local t = 0; c=1; while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:08.06 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0.00027 |
| 16:08.12 | Xinhuan | oops |
| 16:08.18 | airtonix | oh it's basil |
| 16:08.34 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N = 0,100000; for i=1,N do local t = 0; c=c+1; while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:08.35 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 25.51539 |
| 16:09.05 | foxlit | If you add a 1 every trial, you'll add a 1 to the average. |
| 16:09.11 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 16:09.17 | Xinhuan | why is it 24.5 though |
| 16:09.47 | foxlit | lua> local c,N = 0,100000; for i=1,N do local t = 0 while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t >= 0.6 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:09.47 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.49887 |
| 16:10.37 | foxlit | heh, noise. |
| 16:11.04 | Xinhuan | is it because 15 divides 0.6 evenly |
| 16:11.06 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 16:11.09 | karl_w_w | I'm really in the mood for some crab cakes |
| 16:11.18 | foxlit | 0.6 divides 0.6 evenly too. |
| 16:11.18 | karl_w_w | anyone know where I can find a crab to kill? |
| 16:11.40 | Xinhuan | so according to that calculation there is an average of 0.5 waves |
| 16:11.45 | Xinhuan | for a spell the lasts 0.6 secs |
| 16:11.57 | Xinhuan | but that's wrong right? since at least 1 wave goes off |
| 16:12.04 | Xinhuan | at the time=0.00 |
| 16:12.09 | foxlit | If you have a wave at 0, just add 1. |
| 16:12.25 | Xinhuan | so the average is then 25.5 for 15 secs? |
| 16:12.27 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:13.18 | Xinhuan | simulation says 25.5 but maths says 25.0, whats the reason hmm |
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| 16:14.29 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N = 0,100000; for i=1,N do local t = 0; while 1 do t = t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) if t > 15 then break; end c = c + 1; end end print (c/N) |
| 16:14.30 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 24.51703 |
| 16:15.09 | foxlit | You know, there's an easier way to write that if you assume it fireballs at t=0 |
| 16:15.18 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:15.21 | Xinhuan | thats the assumption |
| 16:15.35 | Xinhuan | 1st wave at0.00 |
| 16:15.49 | foxlit | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,15; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 0.4*(1+math.member:random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:15.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'char(28)' |
| 16:15.59 | foxlit | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,15; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:15.59 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'char(28)' |
| 16:16.17 | mckenziemc1 | unexpected symbol near foxlit |
| 16:16.56 | foxlit | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,15; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:16.56 | lua_bot | foxlit: 25.5208 |
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| 16:20.04 | Xinhuan | perhaps its to do with boundary condition of waves |
| 16:20.12 | Xinhuan | 15/0.6 |
| 16:20.26 | Xinhuan | at the 15th second, there could be no wave |
| 16:20.34 | Xinhuan | but at 15.000001 second, there could be an extra wave |
| 16:21.38 | foxlit | [the other way around, surely] |
| 16:22.46 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,15.5; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 0.5*(1+math.random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:22.47 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 21.17947 |
| 16:22.50 | Xinhuan | (a different problem) |
| 16:23.02 | Xinhuan | 15.5 seconds, 0.5-1.0 per wave |
| 16:23.28 | Xinhuan | maths says its 15.5/0.75 == 20.6667 |
| 16:23.36 | Xinhuan | that simulation have 0.5 higher |
| 16:23.40 | Xinhuan | gave* |
| 16:24.18 | foxlit | So the conclusion is that Available Time/Average time per event is the wrong math to use. |
| 16:24.32 | foxlit | Should actually be Available Time/Average time per event + 0.5 |
| 16:25.16 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,39; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 1.5*(1+math.random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:25.17 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 17.85579 |
| 16:25.25 | Xinhuan | lua> 39/2.0 |
| 16:25.25 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 19.5 |
| 16:25.44 | Xinhuan | lua> 39/2.25 |
| 16:25.44 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 17.333333333333 |
| 16:25.47 | mckenziemc | doesn't dividing by an average skew things |
| 16:25.54 | Xinhuan | yeah pretty close to the +0.5 |
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| 16:26.26 | Xinhuan | appears not, it appears to need the +0.5 constant |
| 16:27.24 | Xinhuan | thus this works for the 0.6 case too |
| 16:27.45 | Xinhuan | lua> local c,N,L = 0,100000,0.6; for i=1,N do local t = 0; repeat c, t = c +1, t + 0.4*(1+math.random()) until t >= L end print (c/N) |
| 16:27.45 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.49853 |
| 16:27.58 | Xinhuan | where the cast time is 0.6 |
| 16:28.07 | Xinhuan | and that makes sense too |
| 16:28.31 | Xinhuan | the first wave always goes off at 0.0, and it has half the chance to get the second wave off |
| 16:29.30 | foxlit | A related problem that you might want to consider is deriving the cdf of a sum of uniformly distributed independent variables. |
| 16:30.03 | foxlit | heads off to lunch |
| 16:37.52 | mckenziemc | O.o race condition |
| 16:38.10 | mckenziemc | "A $C called $N? You'll make a fine breakfast!" |
| 16:38.25 | Xinhuan | hmm why does the blizzard WoW launcher use 2% CPU time |
| 16:38.32 | mckenziemc | i dismounted to shoot an npc but somehow my pet spawened and killed it first |
| 16:38.37 | Xinhuan | must be the damn flash player |
| 16:38.39 | mckenziemc | the p2p part? |
| 16:38.53 | Xinhuan | there's no downloading going on |
| 16:39.07 | mckenziemc | what about uploading |
| 16:39.08 | airtonix | i'm loling |
| 16:39.18 | Xinhuan | it doesn't upload |
| 16:39.22 | Xinhuan | if it isn't downloading |
| 16:39.27 | mckenziemc | i thought it did |
| 16:39.37 | Xinhuan | it does, only on initial completion |
| 16:39.39 | Xinhuan | but not after |
| 16:39.44 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 16:40.02 | Xinhuan | its a selfish-BT |
| 16:40.08 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 16:46.16 | airtonix | distributed computing ? |
| 16:47.28 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 16:47.38 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 16:47.50 | airtonix | mckenziemc |
| 16:47.52 | mckenziemc | parries. |
| 16:48.18 | airtonix | opens up with mon mon mon |
| 16:48.28 | mckenziemc | dodges. |
| 16:53.05 | mikma | mikma |
| 16:53.06 | Ackis | forces Fisker to listen to Friday by Rebecca Black 100x in a row. |
| 16:53.14 | mikma | hahaa |
| 16:53.17 | mikma | fiskered to the max |
| 16:54.33 | karl_w_w | wth |
| 16:54.42 | karl_w_w | i thought you couldnt cast spells in lua |
| 16:54.56 | nevcairiel | youi can't |
| 16:55.05 | karl_w_w | I just did :P |
| 16:55.11 | mckenziemc | from a macro? |
| 16:55.18 | karl_w_w | with /run |
| 16:55.21 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 16:55.40 | mckenziemc | you pressed a key so it works |
| 16:55.56 | karl_w_w | that cant be right |
| 16:56.00 | nevcairiel | what was the spell? |
| 16:56.09 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure the mechanics but i've noticed /run can do protected stuff |
| 16:56.16 | karl_w_w | Alchemy :P |
| 16:56.21 | nevcairiel | thats no spell |
| 16:56.27 | nevcairiel | proffessions are special |
| 16:56.30 | mckenziemc | ah that's cheating |
| 16:56.32 | nevcairiel | you can cast them to open the frame |
| 16:56.57 | zenzelezz | curse you nevcairiel, I was going to follow up your first reply with "it's a space station" |
| 16:57.15 | mckenziemc | what |
| 16:57.19 | nevcairiel | i dont get it |
| 16:57.26 | zenzelezz | "That's no moon..." |
| 16:57.42 | nevcairiel | thats quite a stretch to make |
| 16:57.48 | nevcairiel | did you watch that scene just now? |
| 16:57.57 | zenzelezz | I'm always making big stretches |
| 16:59.03 | karl_w_w | i wish i'd known that before i wrote this macro |
| 16:59.46 | karl_w_w | although i spose using /cast in a macro is less characters |
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| 17:12.58 | karl_w_w | It looks like you're trying to reply to this thread. Would you like help? |
| 17:13.10 | mckenziemc | yes please |
| 17:13.35 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:13.37 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:13.43 | mckenziemc | blocks. |
| 17:14.25 | Thunder_Child | interesting, i just upgraded from a 275 to a 570 and the windows experience index didnt change |
| 17:14.39 | mckenziemc | did you refresh it? |
| 17:14.44 | Xinhuan | it doesn't change until you re-run the test |
| 17:14.47 | Thunder_Child | just now |
| 17:15.02 | Xinhuan | rerun it again |
| 17:15.18 | mckenziemc | also, i'll take your old card |
| 17:15.20 | Fisker | also remember the final score is based on the lowest score |
| 17:15.23 | Thunder_Child | installing DX11 first, maybe that will change something |
| 17:15.38 | Fisker | So if your machine is shitty enough it won't improve the score |
| 17:15.43 | dafzor | Thunder_Child, the overall index or graphic card specific one? |
| 17:15.51 | Thunder_Child | yea...which is a 10K rpm HD @ 5.7. What rates high an ssd? |
| 17:15.59 | Thunder_Child | dafzor: just the graphics section |
| 17:16.18 | dafzor | Thunder_Child, is it 7.9? |
| 17:16.29 | Thunder_Child | 7.2 |
| 17:16.33 | Thunder_Child | i know what the limit is |
| 17:16.37 | Xinhuan | what's your graphics experience index? |
| 17:16.45 | dafzor | 6.9 |
| 17:16.59 | Fisker | 7.2 aint bad |
| 17:17.00 | Xinhuan | mine's at 6.5, and i use a gts 250 |
| 17:17.08 | Fisker | sounds better than a GTX 275 should do |
| 17:17.13 | dafzor | i have a 8800gt... |
| 17:17.20 | Thunder_Child | yes, but when you do a jump i would think it would go up...even by .1 |
| 17:17.40 | Xinhuan | well dafzor, when i use a 8800 gt (yes i have one too), its at 6.3 |
| 17:17.50 | nevcairiel | my 570 is at 7.9 |
| 17:18.20 | dafzor | think we can all assume Windows Experience Index isn't the most reliable of benchmarks :\ |
| 17:20.00 | Xinhuan | that, or different brands of cards are different |
| 17:21.45 | dafzor | Xinhuan, think that wouldn't justify the inconsistency in readings |
| 17:21.59 | Xinhuan | it could |
| 17:22.05 | Xinhuan | maybe XFX produces better cards |
| 17:22.07 | Xinhuan | and heatsinks |
| 17:22.18 | Xinhuan | than Elsa |
| 17:22.36 | nevcairiel | the 570 isnt one of the cards they really customize |
| 17:22.56 | Xinhuan | the motherboard could affect stuff too right? |
| 17:23.00 | Xinhuan | transfer speeds etc |
| 17:23.25 | nevcairiel | also, installing DX11? Last i checked, windows already comes with DX11 |
| 17:23.41 | dafzor | a test that shows a bigger difference from two 8800gt then a 275 to a 570... don't think it's manufacturer quality |
| 17:23.44 | Thunder_Child | upgrade then |
| 17:23.48 | Thunder_Child | it did something |
| 17:24.01 | Thunder_Child | but i am running it again |
| 17:24.14 | dafzor | Thunder_Child, usualy updates the sdk dlls |
| 17:24.26 | nevcairiel | which only matters if you use soemthing that requires the new dlls |
| 17:24.28 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 17:24.41 | Thunder_Child | i just really wished steam didnt do it every time you started a new game |
| 17:25.02 | Jamash | steam doesn't do it for me |
| 17:25.10 | nevcairiel | only some games do it |
| 17:25.20 | Jamash | blame the games then, not steam |
| 17:25.20 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt run through the setup thing for you? |
| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | which are known to require a dll thats not stock |
| 17:25.49 | Thunder_Child | i should say any non indie game seems to require a dx install of something |
| 17:26.09 | nevcairiel | in any case, rather reinstall the drivers, and use up2date ones too |
| 17:26.11 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:26.34 | Jamash | oh google |
| 17:26.41 | nevcairiel | i'm using the 270.51 beta driver on my 570, works perfectly |
| 17:26.58 | dafzor | sigh, it's worse then that, valve imo screwed up and left dependencies to each developer to do handle, so almost all games download a copy of the directx installer |
| 17:27.15 | Jamash | it thinks version 9.29.1973 of the directx runtime updater was published on September 29, 1973 |
| 17:27.27 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 17:27.47 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 17:27.57 | nevcairiel | yeah they messed up the download timestamp some time ago |
| 17:28.00 | Thunder_Child | isnt it just reading that string as a date? |
| 17:28.12 | Shirik | that's win |
| 17:28.12 | Xinhuan | well Thunder_Child, most games require a specific version of directx |
| 17:28.24 | Jamash | it's not a timestamp, it's what TC said |
| 17:28.26 | Xinhuan | and what the installer does is check if the specific version of that DLL is installed |
| 17:28.26 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: if you run that installer once, you have all specific versions |
| 17:28.35 | Thunder_Child | huh, looks like after the second run it did jump to 7.8 |
| 17:28.43 | Thunder_Child | nice call for the re-run |
| 17:28.48 | Xinhuan | it doesn't, as far as i know |
| 17:29.00 | Xinhuan | since new versions get released time to time |
| 17:29.03 | karl_w_w | my 5770 is a 7.4, not like the numbers really mean anything though |
| 17:29.21 | nevcairiel | june '10 was the last SDK update that i'm aware of |
| 17:29.26 | Jamash | as I understand it, there are a hojillion Direct3D_<version>.dll files installed |
| 17:29.31 | Xinhuan | and the installer that comes with the game may not be the latest |
| 17:29.36 | nevcairiel | _43 being the newest version |
| 17:29.55 | dafzor | Thunder_Child, if you're having a steam game constantly installing dependencies on launch you can fix it by editing the install.vdf file on the game folder |
| 17:29.57 | Xinhuan | still, the installer doesn't usually need to install anything |
| 17:30.14 | Thunder_Child | the only thing i am unhappy about is that this card did not come with an sli ribbon |
| 17:30.15 | nevcairiel | i usually run the web installer anyway to grab all the versions |
| 17:30.22 | nevcairiel | but i also do direct3d/directshow development |
| 17:30.30 | Jamash | 'cause someone at microsoft finally wised up and realized that overwriting <unversioned blah>.dll every time a new program runs/is installed was a bad idea |
| 17:30.41 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: i've really not see cards come with them, SLI certified motherboards usually do |
| 17:31.18 | nevcairiel | at least thats where i got mine |
| 17:32.27 | Thunder_Child | well it does, but it's a hard SLI connector, and the two cards i have are slightly offset |
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| 17:32.54 | nevcairiel | arent you supposed to run two identical cards anyway |
| 17:33.50 | dafzor | ideal but not 100% required |
| 17:33.57 | Jamash | I thought PCIe was supposed to be so awesome you wouldn't need SLI ribbons |
| 17:34.25 | dafzor | Sli started with Pcie so no, never was |
| 17:34.25 | nevcairiel | PCIe could in theory deal with it, but CPUs don't hand out enough lanes |
| 17:35.06 | Jamash | ah, I haven't really been following enthusiast tech since I started gaming on a laptop |
| 17:35.20 | dafzor | same way Pcie never managed to feed enough power to gfx cards :( |
| 17:35.29 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 17:36.03 | Jamash | I'm not really surprised that pcie isn't designed to power 400w cardsd |
| 17:36.13 | Jamash | because that's ridiculous |
| 17:36.34 | nevcairiel | you would have to add extra power connectors to the motherboard |
| 17:36.34 | dafzor | well, do the console port nature of most games my 8800gt can still play most games even on high... bulletstorm being the most recent example i've been playing |
| 17:36.55 | nevcairiel | which really has no advantage over adding them to the card itself |
| 17:37.40 | dafzor | nevcairiel, it would be tidier in terms of cables! |
| 17:37.58 | Jamash | also your mboard might catch fire |
| 17:38.46 | Dagmar | That would be bad |
| 17:39.38 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:39.59 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit with a flaming motherboard. |
| 17:40.05 | Yoshimo | what is a "mirrorbar" compared to a normal players castbar? |
| 17:40.20 | mckenziemc | the breath/fatigue bar |
| 17:40.40 | Dagmar | The name just doesn't make much sense |
| 17:40.41 | nevcairiel | I don't really know why its called like that .. maybe because its counting down instead of up, but yes, typically its the breath bar |
| 17:40.44 | Jamash | I think they call it the mirrorbar because it counts down instead of up |
| 17:40.52 | Jamash | bah |
| 17:40.57 | mckenziemc | it "mirrors" the appearance and function of the cast bar |
| 17:41.01 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:42.27 | Yoshimo | still dont get it, what will appear there? |
| 17:42.53 | Jamash | if you're underwater or in a fatigue zone then you will get a breath or fatigue bar that slowly decreases |
| 17:43.17 | Jamash | if you're underwater and in a fatigue zone you'll get both |
| 17:44.27 | Fisker | what if you're underwater, in a fatigue zone while on a boat? |
| 17:44.36 | Jamash | madness |
| 17:44.39 | Dagmar | THen you get pudding. |
| 17:44.54 | Dagmar | ...and you should probably just abandon the quest. |
| 17:45.30 | Jamash | man this learning aid addon is all busted, I should complain to the author |
| 17:52.15 | Dagmar | They should sue him for misrepresenting that players might actually learn something. |
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| 17:58.59 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:59.24 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:59.27 | Fisker | are swedes jerks? |
| 17:59.51 | foxlit | "what if you're underwater, in a fatigue zone while on a boat?" << if you're on a boat, you're on a boat, and no boat is underwater or a fatigue-zone. |
| 18:00.09 | Fisker | why not? |
| 18:00.30 | foxlit | one does not question boats. They just aren't. |
| 18:00.41 | Fisker | i've seen lots of boats underwater |
| 18:02.28 | Jamash | boats are a kind of land |
| 18:02.45 | Jamash | therefore if you're on a boat you're not in a fatigue zone |
| 18:02.58 | Cide | until you run out of air. |
| 18:03.11 | Jamash | not if it's a submarine |
| 18:03.29 | Cide | huh. |
| 18:03.49 | Cide | what if I prevent you from going to the surface |
| 18:04.01 | Jamash | submarines have infinite air |
| 18:04.12 | nevcairiel | right. |
| 18:04.12 | Fisker | fatigue zones could exist on land |
| 18:04.15 | Cide | OH YEAHHH |
| 18:04.40 | Jamash | how so, Fisker? |
| 18:04.52 | Cide | are you saying they are injecting air by some chemical process Jamash |
| 18:05.14 | Cide | or are you trolling because april 1st was yesterday |
| 18:05.28 | Jamash | Cide: no, I'm saying wow air is infinitely rebreathable |
| 18:05.36 | Cide | who is talking about wow? |
| 18:05.36 | Fisker | i'd show you how if i had acess to the wow tools Jamash |
| 18:05.39 | Cide | I am not. |
| 18:05.48 | Jamash | Cide: your mom is a submarine |
| 18:05.53 | Fisker | also you can get fatigue on the boats(sea turtles) in northrend |
| 18:05.54 | Cide | it is true |
| 18:11.31 | SinusPi | I have a kind of an Astrolabe issue... The old one, that I manually fixed (kinda) to work with all Cata zones, doesn't recalculate mapnote positions unless minimap is visible. Hence, it craps with SexyMap or anything that makes their own maps. Is the newer Astrolabe mor eresilient to that, perhaps? Anyone familiar with its inner workings? |
| 18:23.02 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 18:23.51 | Shirik | fatigue has gotten a little aggressive |
| 18:24.08 | amro | Fisker: it broke again? it used to be a bug if you were on a mammoth |
| 18:24.40 | Fisker | i don't know amro |
| 18:24.47 | Fisker | i didn't even know they had fixed it |
| 18:24.57 | amro | technically, they didn't, they just changed the mammoth |
| 18:28.01 | Ackis | Xinhuan: can you have multizone routes in routes? |
| 18:28.09 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:28.16 | Ackis | darn |
| 18:28.28 | Ackis | was thinking about setting up a rare spawn route for northrend |
| 18:28.51 | amro | you that bored? |
| 18:28.54 | Ackis | hey Xinhuan, can you add support for multi-zone routes in routes? |
| 18:28.59 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:29.02 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:29.07 | Ackis | please? |
| 18:29.21 | Xinhuan | routes are stored in the database on a per-zone basis |
| 18:29.34 | Xinhuan | and the coordinates used in the route are specific to the zone's size |
| 18:29.37 | nevcairiel | cant you just store them in the continent zone? :d |
| 18:29.58 | Ackis | amro: northrend rares are limited to 2 up at a time, so for the acheivement you need to check all rare spawns to kill any that are up so new ones can spawn |
| 18:30.02 | Xinhuan | you can, but that requires continent-zone conversion |
| 18:30.25 | Xinhuan | which routes doesn't do - it doesn't even have the info to do so |
| 18:30.26 | amro | Ackis: whose dumbass idea was that? |
| 18:30.36 | Ackis | blizzards? |
| 18:30.47 | amro | rhetorical |
| 18:30.57 | amro | ~bonk Ackis |
| 18:30.57 | purl | ACTION bonks amro on behalf of Ackis |
| 18:31.03 | amro | :( |
| 18:31.07 | Xinhuan | also the 2-up at a time is a myth |
| 18:31.09 | amro | ~whalenuke Ackis |
| 18:31.10 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Ackis with his mind powers. |
| 18:31.13 | Ackis | haha |
| 18:31.29 | Xinhuan | i've killed 3 rares in 15 min before |
| 18:31.36 | Ackis | do you have empirical evidence of three up at a time? |
| 18:31.37 | nevcairiel | indeed, back when we farmed them directly after a server restart or so, there were alot more spawned |
| 18:31.54 | Ackis | 3 rares in 15 minutes ~= 3 up at a time |
| 18:32.16 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:32.17 | Ackis | I'm basing my info off of some dude who has farmed 9 TLPD's |
| 18:32.33 | Xinhuan | unfortunately, his data is based on that single zone alone |
| 18:32.50 | Xinhuan | it is correct that vyragosa and TLPD share the same spawn timer at the 8:1 ratio |
| 18:32.51 | Ackis | nah they went rare hunting to test the theory |
| 18:32.59 | nevcairiel | the TLPD is also special because it shares its spawn with another rare |
| 18:34.03 | Xinhuan | what i can tell you is hunter pets in the basin |
| 18:34.06 | Xinhuan | spawn pretty regularly |
| 18:34.21 | Xinhuan | if only 2 can be up over the whole northrend |
| 18:34.22 | nevcairiel | because the hunters went all QQ that we kill them for sport |
| 18:34.34 | Xinhuan | hunter pets will never spawn as much as they do with regularity |
| 18:35.23 | Xinhuan | plus, vyragosa and TLPD's corpse doesn't decay until 30 min after its death, even if its corpse is empty |
| 18:35.34 | Xinhuan | it has a rough 18-24 hour respawn timer |
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| 18:38.30 | Ackis | http://tlpdresource.com/index3.html btw |
| 18:39.33 | Xinhuan | RLDR |
| 18:39.36 | Xinhuan | TLDR |
| 18:39.59 | Ackis | http://tlpdresource.com/thirteen.lab2.jpg look at that image :P |
| 18:40.09 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 18:40.27 | karl_w_w | any pvp rogues in here? |
| 18:40.49 | nevcairiel | Ackis: obviously photoshopped |
| 18:41.16 | nevcairiel | there are supposedly people from different servers on there |
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| 18:42.01 | Ackis | nevcairiel: of course it's photoshopped, it's the same guy |
| 18:43.17 | nevcairiel | also personally, i think thats only an achievement in being pathetic, i don't even want to know how many hours that guy wasted just sitting there |
| 18:43.56 | nevcairiel | killing stuff to get something, ok .. but waiting and waiting .. thats even more pointless :P |
| 18:44.31 | Ackis | if it's what he found fun in WoW, then all the power to him |
| 18:45.24 | Xinhuan | TLPD is my last rare |
| 18:45.32 | Xinhuan | after completing frostbitten |
| 18:45.57 | Ackis | I don't have frostbitten |
| 18:46.39 | Ackis | I still need the green proto drake too |
| 18:46.43 | Ackis | mutters |
| 18:46.52 | Xinhuan | i completed that 2 months ago |
| 18:46.53 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:46.53 | Ackis | you know the dark legacy comic about him getting it on the PTR? |
| 18:47.05 | Xinhuan | yes that happened to me 3 years ago |
| 18:47.06 | Ackis | that's me, but it was the beta |
| 18:48.19 | Xinhuan | my guild stopped raiding this week btw :/ |
| 18:48.32 | Xinhuan | no more achs points :/ |
| 18:48.59 | Ackis | stopped completely? :( |
| 18:49.05 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 18:49.08 | Ackis | ugh |
| 18:49.11 | Xinhuan | stopped on 21% nef wipe |
| 18:49.13 | Ackis | I knew you went to 10 man |
| 18:49.25 | Xinhuan | no i didn't |
| 18:49.29 | Xinhuan | we stopped 25s |
| 18:49.38 | Xinhuan | and didn't bother to continue 10s |
| 18:51.37 | Xinhuan | so, i had a lot more time to play DA:Legends |
| 18:51.39 | Xinhuan | HAHAHA |
| 18:51.53 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:52.10 | Ackis | come transfer to my server/faction so you can rub your scarab lord title in my face |
| 18:52.35 | Xinhuan | i'll come if you play my char for me for 3 month to farm the guild rep back to exalted. |
| 18:53.20 | Ackis | pfft past friendly nothing is important |
| 18:53.28 | Xinhuan | lvl 25 mount |
| 18:53.31 | Ackis | I should know, I've been revered with three different guild so far |
| 18:55.02 | Ackis | time to concentrate, kalu'ak fishing derby in five minutes!!!!! |
| 18:55.12 | Xinhuan | roll eyes |
| 18:55.24 | Xinhuan | i'm only waiting for patch 4.1 |
| 18:55.29 | Xinhuan | to remove all the silly bloated fish |
| 18:55.33 | Fisker | slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:56.01 | Ackis | yeah I'll have both of thise achievements come 4.1 |
| 18:56.09 | Xinhuan | maybr i'll even have 13.5k points then |
| 18:56.20 | Ackis | h8 u |
| 18:56.34 | Ackis | I'm at 10730 |
| 18:56.54 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 18:56.56 | Xinhuan | i haven't done most of the pvp ones |
| 18:56.59 | Fisker | do you want to have sex? |
| 18:57.07 | Xinhuan | for cata |
| 18:57.09 | Xinhuan | including bgs |
| 18:57.31 | Ackis | yes Fisker |
| 18:57.31 | Ackis | bend over |
| 18:57.35 | Ackis | lube or no? |
| 18:58.55 | airtonix | you are disgusting |
| 18:58.56 | Ackis | afk playing the fishing lottery! |
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| 19:09.38 | airtonix | Fisker: http://vimeo.com/18826581 |
| 19:15.29 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:17.01 | airtonix | not as impressive as i thought it would be |
| 19:17.31 | Xinhuan | ackis! |
| 19:17.33 | Xinhuan | Summon Halla now costs 1 Mana |
| 19:17.33 | Xinhuan | Summon Bronto now costs 2 Mana |
| 19:17.33 | Xinhuan | Summon Drake now costs 3 Mana |
| 19:17.48 | Xinhuan | http://social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Legends-Forums/Dragon-Age-Legends-News-and-Announcements/Release-Notes-0210666-6873012-1.html |
| 19:17.50 | airtonix | i thought it'd be more like this : http://xcruiser.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:18.29 | Ackis | yay |
| 19:26.07 | Xinhuan | firefox 4 has memory leaks i think :< |
| 19:26.12 | Xinhuan | at least 3.6 didn't have them |
| 19:26.43 | Xinhuan | i could have the browser open for almost a month and still stay under 600 kb used |
| 19:26.50 | Xinhuan | its like using 1.1 gb after half a day now |
| 19:27.34 | airtonix | wut |
| 19:27.41 | airtonix | you're a liar |
| 19:28.22 | airtonix | make sure you're not mistaking lynx for firefox |
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| 19:29.04 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: it has many memeory leak, bugzilla is full of them :p |
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| 19:33.08 | Xinhuan | i think its pretty hard to mistake firefox.exe for anything else |
| 19:37.16 | Pneumatus | my ff4 hasnt been close since release day and is only on 667mb |
| 19:37.46 | Pneumatus | although that doesnt include the plugin container which is another 234mb |
| 19:39.27 | Xinhuan | i haven't included the plugin container, you know |
| 19:39.50 | Xinhuan | but i have played about 30 youtube videos and visited over 50 websites |
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| 19:39.57 | Xinhuan | and some flash games |
| 19:40.07 | Pneumatus | i have 24 tabs open, for comparison |
| 19:40.12 | Xinhuan | something is leaking |
| 19:40.14 | Pneumatus | and have open/closed probably another 20 |
| 19:40.17 | Xinhuan | but not sure what |
| 19:40.37 | Xinhuan | if i close the browser and reopen it with the existing 8 tabs, the usage drops to 300 kb |
| 19:40.48 | Cide | ] |
| 19:41.04 | Xinhuan | wow not even 300, only 218k |
| 19:41.22 | Pneumatus | gonna close mine and see what it starts up at |
| 19:41.24 | Pneumatus | id guess a lot |
| 19:41.41 | Xinhuan | i'll say 1.1 gb --> 213k is a big leak |
| 19:41.59 | Pneumatus | 422mb |
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| 19:42.19 | Xinhuan | 600 --> 422 is rather comparable too, ratio-wise |
| 19:42.35 | nevcairiel | i think you got the units wrong, there is no way its using 213k of memory |
| 19:42.55 | Xinhuan | yeah mb, meh |
| 19:42.59 | Xinhuan | not kb |
| 19:44.24 | Xinhuan | although its technically not wrong... 1.1gb ---> 213k is still correct units.. i left out the kb |
| 19:44.40 | Iriel | so it was 214 k kb |
| 19:44.47 | nevcairiel | thats no valid unit |
| 19:44.58 | Iriel | Sure it is it's non standard but it's valid |
| 19:49.31 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan: i agree, my FF 4.0 hits 800MB of ram |
| 19:49.45 | Fisker | that's a lot |
| 19:49.56 | Fisker | especially given that FF4 was written for the SNES or something like that |
| 19:50.05 | Fisker | don't think the SNES even have that much ram |
| 19:50.07 | Xinhuan | it seems to be related to running flash stuff |
| 19:50.18 | Xinhuan | like if i watch videos, play games |
| 19:50.21 | Xinhuan | it goes up |
| 19:50.38 | Xinhuan | the wow crabby on the forums didn't help |
| 19:50.49 | Xinhuan | that one's flash too |
| 19:52.30 | amro | Fisker: it was even originally intended for NES |
| 19:52.34 | Thunder_Child | new eggs shopping helper sucks balls |
| 19:52.43 | amro | eggs* |
| 19:53.43 | Thunder_Child | no, it does not suck eggs |
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| 20:02.59 | Thunder_Child | i'm happy to have my memory use below 50% for a change |
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| 20:04.30 | Fisker | damn amro |
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| 20:08.06 | Thunder_Child | damn Fisker |
| 20:10.54 | Xinhuan | yep i watched a youtube video in a new tab |
| 20:10.57 | Xinhuan | then closed the tab |
| 20:11.05 | Xinhuan | +60K memory used |
| 20:11.20 | Fisker | damn Thunder_Child |
| 20:11.47 | Fisker | btw mikma |
| 20:11.53 | Fisker | does "bris" mean anything in finnish? |
| 20:11.55 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan: and it doesnt go away sadly |
| 20:12.13 | Xinhuan | i wonder if its +60K per video... |
| 20:12.13 | Thunder_Child | maybe someone has made an addon that flushes it |
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| 20:19.03 | Xinhuan | hmm watched another video, +5K only |
| 20:19.21 | Xinhuan | perhaps the "click here to show the X comments posted while you were watching" thingy |
| 20:19.23 | Xinhuan | is causing it |
| 20:19.32 | Xinhuan | the first video had like 800 comments more when i finished |
| 20:20.37 | nevcairiel | are you again using your new KKB unit, or are you making a fuss about 5kb of memory? :) |
| 20:22.34 | Xinhuan | i'm saying the first video caused a leak of 60K but the second one caused a leak of 5K |
| 20:22.51 | Xinhuan | but over 30 videos that would probably leak to half a gb |
| 20:23.02 | karl_w_w | nice, firefox has frozen |
| 20:23.17 | karl_w_w | because I scrolled my mouse wheel while the page was loading |
| 20:23.17 | airtonix | kk |
| 20:23.41 | Xinhuan | and i'm omitting the kb |
| 20:23.49 | Xinhuan | so 5k kb --> 5 mb ram |
| 20:23.59 | nevcairiel | just say 5m |
| 20:24.03 | nevcairiel | like any sane person |
| 20:24.15 | airtonix | i say 5Mb |
| 20:24.22 | Xinhuan | i can't, because windows always reports memory in kb |
| 20:24.29 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:24.32 | nevcairiel | k is typically short for kb |
| 20:24.40 | airtonix | or kilo |
| 20:24.42 | nevcairiel | so by saying 5k, you imply 5kb |
| 20:24.54 | Xinhuan | no, when i say 5k, i imply 5000 |
| 20:24.58 | airtonix | "I just got five kays of white bro" |
| 20:26.47 | mckenziemc | also, b is bit |
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| 20:26.58 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 20:27.02 | nevcairiel | The point being, you saying 5000 does not give us any meaning of what it is, and the convention is to say the number and skip the unit, but not skip part of the number :P |
| 20:27.03 | airtonix | no |
| 20:27.23 | airtonix | aren't you thinking too much into this ? |
| 20:27.34 | nevcairiel | what else would i be doing this time of day? |
| 20:27.43 | airtonix | just be vague and unhelpful like most and say lag |
| 20:27.56 | airtonix | bro it's lagging |
| 20:28.02 | Thunder_Child | i'm with nevcairiel on this once |
| 20:28.03 | Thunder_Child | one* |
| 20:28.06 | airtonix | "get a better graphics card" |
| 20:28.11 | Thunder_Child | lack of communication is a huge issue |
| 20:28.15 | karl_w_w | <Xinhuan> no, when i say 5k, i imply 5000 <- yes, bytes |
| 20:28.25 | airtonix | nou |
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| 20:30.12 | karl_w_w | oh YES |
| 20:30.23 | karl_w_w | my flash plugin has crashed and killed the crab! |
| 20:30.29 | mckenziemc | haha |
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| 20:30.38 | airtonix | there was a crab? |
| 20:30.48 | mckenziemc | hush airtonix |
| 20:30.56 | airtonix | i'm serial |
| 20:31.04 | Fisker | i made a script to remove it karl_w_w |
| 20:31.04 | Fisker | jerk |
| 20:31.16 | mckenziemc | Fisker, was it called noscript? |
| 20:31.19 | airtonix | Fisker: do you werk for wikileaks? |
| 20:31.26 | Fisker | no mckenziemc |
| 20:31.28 | Fisker | MOARSCRIPT |
| 20:31.29 | Fisker | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/100424 |
| 20:32.15 | airtonix | failscript is fail |
| 20:32.57 | airtonix | http://www.java2s.com/Code/JavaScriptReference/Javascript-Methods/removeNodeExample.htm |
| 20:33.54 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit FOR THE HORDE! |
| 20:35.21 | karl_w_w | jees avast has been warning me about everything i open lately |
| 20:35.38 | karl_w_w | even stuff that's been installed for years |
| 20:35.43 | mckenziemc | stop downloading porn from untrusted websites |
| 20:35.58 | karl_w_w | I dont download porn |
| 20:36.17 | pantsninja | he makes it |
| 20:36.26 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 20:36.48 | karl_w_w | pantsninja: wanna make out? |
| 20:37.11 | pantsninja | Wow... I'm flattered |
| 20:37.45 | pantsninja | but I'm pretty sure there's no correct answer to a question like that |
| 20:38.05 | mckenziemc | "Yes!" |
| 20:38.10 | karl_w_w | the bitter taste of rejection :( |
| 20:38.23 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:38.53 | airtonix | i smell deviance |
| 20:39.02 | Thunder_Child | no no, the taste is bitter when you accept..... |
| 20:39.34 | mckenziemc | sounds like someone needs to see the doctor |
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| 20:57.49 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is this a creepy picture https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/img11/apparel/SHOPS/SWIM/W/swim_tcg2.jpg ? |
| 20:58.01 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:58.17 | olafski | it's a bit odd |
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| 21:20.57 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: it's not just you |
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| 21:21.25 | airtonix | Thunder_Child: maybe because you don't have a drowning fetish? |
| 21:21.34 | airtonix | it's normal |
| 21:21.54 | mckenziemc | drowns airtonix |
| 21:24.43 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:24.44 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:24.54 | mckenziemc | drowns Fisker too |
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| 21:44.13 | airtonix | Fisker: bro : http://www.jetway.com.tw/pic/big/NF99-525-LF.jpg |
| 21:44.28 | airtonix | plus 4 SATA port daughter board |
| 21:45.19 | airtonix | and it looks like there is 6 usb internal headers there |
| 21:47.11 | airtonix | Embedded 9 * USB 2.0/1.1 & 2 * USB 3.0 |
| 21:47.14 | airtonix | :> |
| 21:48.04 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:48.35 | Fisker | no care |
| 21:48.58 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 21:51.11 | Fisker | NO U MAD BRO |
| 21:51.33 | airtonix | i think you're over reacting sir |
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| 21:52.04 | airtonix | that's a pretty sweet atom server board |
| 21:52.27 | airtonix | http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard_view.asp?productid=832&proname=NF99FL-525-LF |
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| 21:57.28 | Shirik | airtonix wants to board Fisker's daughter? |
| 21:57.49 | karl_w_w | Fisker doesnt have a daughter |
| 21:58.08 | airtonix | Shirik: i'm not the one wearing a bear suit |
| 21:58.13 | karl_w_w | Fisker do you have a sister? |
| 21:58.44 | Shirik | so conservapedia has blocked the entire world |
| 21:58.53 | Cide | hot |
| 21:58.56 | airtonix | how does that make you feel ? |
| 21:59.54 | Cide | hot |
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| 22:01.21 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: do you get disconnects in darkspore? |
| 22:02.05 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: If you care - I dont |
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| 22:02.52 | kraftman | onmeeen warily |
| 22:02.54 | Fisker | i haven't gotten any either, but i've not played the beta since it closed down a few weeks ago |
| 22:05.18 | Thunder_Child | it's still up |
| 22:05.19 | Thunder_Child | on steam |
| 22:05.40 | Fisker | i know |
| 22:05.44 | Fisker | it's open beta now |
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| 22:21.58 | sylvanaar | anyone use luadocs in their code? |
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| 22:29.00 | ckknight | yeah, sylvanaar |
| 22:29.10 | ckknight | sylvanaar: all my recent libraries |
| 22:29.58 | Ycarene | Heh, someone added world of warcraft to the list of games that used scaleform it its wiki page. |
| 22:30.01 | sylvanaar | ok, ill have a look |
| 22:30.28 | karl_w_w | lol Ycarene |
| 22:30.51 | dafzor | Thunder_Child, i only tried to play it recently for a few minutes but i did get "disconnected" i belive, it trew me back to the beginning of the tutorial at which point i closed. |
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| 22:32.05 | Thunder_Child | i just got D/C'd again, to the point where it said i need to close the game and enter again |
| 22:32.55 | dafzor | got to love the new age of anoying drm |
| 22:33.16 | karl_w_w | jeez you forget how slow usb 1.1 is until you have to use it again |
| 22:34.25 | dafzor | karl_w_w, for added bonus you should try networking with a paralel port, eh eh... good times :) |
| 22:34.45 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 22:41.24 | sylvanaar | anyone interested in trying out my Lua IDE, im always looking for more feedback - i need to decide on what to work on next |
| 22:41.36 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:45.39 | Mikk | sylvanaar: sure, if it debugs wow :D |
| 22:45.46 | Mikk | happily uses notepad++ |
| 22:46.04 | Mikk | trollololols when tired |
| 22:46.31 | Xinhuan | write your Lua IDE as a Notepad++ plugin and i'll use it |
| 22:46.33 | sylvanaar | you could try it out tell me what you think then resume using notepad++ |
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| 22:47.32 | Mikk | on a related note... what do people use for easy-to-run scripts inside wow now? |
| 22:47.47 | Mikk | I've been using Omnibus for ages but it's time to stop. It's bugging a bit and is Ace2. |
| 22:47.58 | Xinhuan | Mikk: XinUI.toc/lua :P |
| 22:48.03 | sylvanaar | you guys would be great to have feedback from since you could give me ideas on how to implement some of the more complex features |
| 22:48.24 | Mikk | Xinhuan: defeats the purpose if being able to edit & run again quickly ;) |
| 22:48.28 | Mikk | if=of |
| 22:48.52 | Mikk | I'm having this idea about grafting something on top of clad's wowlua |
| 22:48.56 | Xinhuan | i generally use the chattab |
| 22:48.58 | Xinhuan | for that |
| 22:49.03 | Xinhuan | like alt+up |
| 22:49.09 | Xinhuan | alt++ctrl+left |
| 22:49.13 | Xinhuan | alt++ctrl+right, edit |
| 22:49.15 | Xinhuan | enter |
| 22:49.23 | Mikk | oh, not just oneliners |
| 22:49.38 | Mikk | like i have this AH posting script for instance |
| 22:49.43 | Mikk | where i edit the list of items to post quite often |
| 22:49.48 | Xinhuan | if its longer than a oneliner, i'll really just throw it in XinUI.lua :P |
| 22:50.31 | Mikk | WoWLua is nice enough for editing & saving |
| 22:50.39 | Xinhuan | i'm fairly sure you can write something that is about 100 lines max for a script editor |
| 22:50.39 | Mikk | it's not so woohoo for executing |
| 22:50.58 | Xinhuan | about 50 of those lines would be for the editbox itself |
| 22:51.09 | Xinhuan | and another 5 lines for a Run button |
| 22:51.15 | Mikk | =) |
| 22:51.32 | Xinhuan | then 20 lines for a dropdown |
| 22:51.35 | Mikk | very very true |
| 22:51.40 | Xinhuan | and another 5 lines for a SAVE |
| 22:52.18 | Mikk | yeah yeah then we want a rename... and a delete.. |
| 22:52.20 | Mikk | etc etc |
| 22:52.26 | Mikk | and then we want FAIAP |
| 22:52.35 | Mikk | and then we want output to go somewhere useful |
| 22:52.40 | Mikk | and whooipe WoWLua reinvented :P |
| 22:53.04 | Xinhuan | so just use wowlua! hoho! |
| 22:53.15 | Mikk | yes but it's not so good at running stuff like i said ;) |
| 22:53.46 | Mikk | i'd want something like what omnibus does.. LDB -> dropdown -> click script |
| 22:54.13 | Mikk | hence my idea of grafting something onto WoWLua.. basically BrokerWoWLua |
| 22:54.49 | Mikk | and this is where i was hoping that someone would tell me i'm about to reinvent the wheel ;) |
| 22:54.53 | Xinhuan | someone should come up with some addon idea that 90% of players will want to use, so i can write it |
| 22:55.23 | Mikk | Crabby |
| 22:55.28 | Mikk | except actually helpful |
| 22:55.40 | Mikk | "hey, you're dpsing as shadowpriest without shadowform!"! |
| 22:55.45 | Mikk | "oi! you're standing in fire!" |
| 22:55.47 | Xinhuan | that would be ... tough |
| 22:55.58 | Mikk | "put poison on your weapons nubrogue!" |
| 22:56.00 | Mikk | yes i know |
| 22:56.04 | Mikk | =( |
| 22:56.34 | Xinhuan | because there's potentially a few thousand things crabby could give input on |
| 22:56.40 | Mikk | yes =/ |
| 22:57.51 | Xinhuan | how about a Crabby main addon with no triggers |
| 22:57.54 | Mikk | WHY IS MY TAX RETURNS COMING UP SAYING I OWE 1K USD? |
| 22:57.58 | Mikk | froths at the mouth |
| 22:58.05 | Cide | I got 1k usd back |
| 22:58.06 | Xinhuan | and people can write their Crabby_Rogue plugin :P |
| 22:58.16 | Xinhuan | Crabby_Mage |
| 22:58.23 | Xinhuan | Crabby_Professions |
| 22:58.28 | Xinhuan | oh boy |
| 22:58.36 | Mikk | mmm problem is sane triggers |
| 22:58.45 | Xinhuan | Crabby_Raid |
| 22:58.49 | Mikk | ugh |
| 22:59.34 | Mikk | "Hi! I see you're missing a melee haste buff! But there's 2 shamans and they're both using Wrath of Air. Make one of them switch!" |
| 23:00.11 | Xinhuan | "Hi, I notice you're not in a stance for the last 1 minute" |
| 23:00.15 | Mikk | "Hi! You have 90 sound and that's a sonar pulse there in front of you! You really should move now! :D" |
| 23:01.01 | Xinhuan | "Hi! Item X is available on the AH at Y price less than Z vendor price!" |
| 23:01.03 | Xinhuan | loolol |
| 23:02.49 | Xinhuan | we should build a 3d basic renderer in lua, so we can build minecraft in wow |
| 23:02.54 | Xinhuan | hoho |
| 23:03.03 | Mikk | i think that exists already actually |
| 23:04.05 | Xinhuan | really? |
| 23:04.11 | Mikk | seem to recall a 3rd-ish rendered view of a dungeon |
| 23:04.32 | Mikk | based on the map-your-position-to-a-ping-at-the-entrance hax back when we didnt have coordinates |
| 23:04.36 | Xinhuan | the most i've seen so far is a triangle function |
| 23:04.39 | Mikk | someone mapped out sethekk halls |
| 23:05.06 | Xinhuan | which functions on 2d screen coords |
| 23:05.20 | Xinhuan | so you still need to write all the 3d->2d transforms for |
| 23:05.29 | Xinhuan | model space --> world space --> camera space --> screen space |
| 23:05.36 | Mikk | mmmno iirc it was showing the map at an angle |
| 23:05.58 | Mikk | granted it could be a fairly simple transformation |
| 23:06.00 | Xinhuan | know what i'm talking about? |
| 23:06.01 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:06.03 | Mikk | not something world<>camera aware |
| 23:06.12 | Mikk | yes i've written a raytracer |
| 23:06.16 | Mikk | or well i stole the math |
| 23:06.43 | Ycarene | Wouldn't a ray caster be easier to implement? |
| 23:06.49 | Mikk | + was coding demos back on the c64/amiga scene when "3d" was the rage :P |
| 23:07.01 | Xinhuan | it probably would, but the class asssignment was to write a ray tracer :P |
| 23:07.04 | Mikk | Ycarene: if you have infinite cpu and memory yes |
| 23:07.28 | Ycarene | I thought a ray tracer was more cpu intensive than a caster? |
| 23:07.52 | Xinhuan | nope, because a ray tracer only needs to trace as many times as you have pixels on the projected screen |
| 23:08.07 | Xinhuan | rays may of course split if there are transparent objects |
| 23:08.15 | Xinhuan | and so you have to recurse separately down each split |
| 23:08.19 | Mikk | depends what you mean about ray casting |
| 23:08.21 | Xinhuan | up to a defined limit |
| 23:08.23 | dafzor | actually, does anyone know a crabby_raidbuffs type addon? |
| 23:08.30 | Mikk | dafzor: RaidBuffStatus |
| 23:08.35 | Mikk | and Utopia |
| 23:08.39 | Xinhuan | yeah dafzor: Deadly Boss Mods |
| 23:08.41 | Ycarene | Ok, I thought it was the other way around, ray tracers start at the light source and stop when the hit the camera, and casters started at the camera and stopped when they hit the model. |
| 23:08.52 | dafzor | thanks |
| 23:08.52 | Mikk | no, raytrace = from camera |
| 23:09.03 | Ycarene | hmmm |
| 23:09.08 | Mikk | "Although "ray casting" and "ray tracing" were often used interchangeably in early computer graphics literature[3], more recent usage tries to distinguish the two[4]. The distinction is merely that ray casting never recursively traces secondary rays, whereas ray tracing may." |
| 23:09.10 | Mikk | ^ wikipedia |
| 23:09.13 | Xinhuan | ray trace means to trace the ray backwards from the camera to its source |
| 23:10.05 | Xinhuan | its also the slowest possible method possible to render a scene |
| 23:10.10 | Dagmar | Odd. I thought it mean "obsession with chrome-plated balls of various sizes." |
| 23:10.34 | nebula169 | that's what it ment to me in 3d multimedia class |
| 23:11.17 | Mikk | Dagmar: bwhaha =) |
| 23:11.47 | Mikk | having said that, checkered floors were also important |
| 23:12.08 | Dagmar | Yep that too |
| 23:12.22 | Dagmar | Gotta have something that can actually stop the ray |
| 23:15.06 | Xinhuan | don't really need that |
| 23:15.21 | Xinhuan | you can have a list of objects, that you check for ray-object intersection with |
| 23:15.46 | Xinhuan | if none intersect, you know the ray will go into infinity and you stop |
| 23:16.09 | Xinhuan | optimizable if the list of objects are in oct-trees blah blah |
| 23:17.51 | Dagmar | Unless your'e a first year CS student, and then you need something to stop the ray |
| 23:18.17 | Xinhuan | but why? |
| 23:18.24 | Xinhuan | if nothing stops it, the input color is 0,0,0 |
| 23:18.40 | Dagmar | Because you go to a shit school that doesn't have anything about proper rendering in it's curriculum |
| 23:19.06 | Xinhuan | although more properly, the input color is the ambient color |
| 23:19.15 | Dagmar | Yes, and if your scene is chrome balls and you have nothing but chrome balls you get an image that's interchangeable with "Seven black cats in a dark room at midnight" |
| 23:19.53 | Xinhuan | typically the assignment would allow you to move the camera position and/or position of the balls |
| 23:19.59 | Xinhuan | so you can see the balls reflect off each other |
| 23:20.08 | Xinhuan | no floor/walls needed |
| 23:20.25 | Xinhuan | balls are used mainly because a sphere/ray intersection test is easy |
| 23:20.25 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 23:20.51 | Cide | yeah Xinhuan |
| 23:20.57 | Cide | learn how to do a proper ray tracer |
| 23:21.03 | Cide | *sigh* |
| 23:21.29 | Dagmar | I don't think he gets that when I was messing with that in college, almost none of it had been worked out very well |
| 23:21.54 | Cide | and since then you have learned the true art |
| 23:22.00 | Cide | and colleges haven't picked up that it has changed |
| 23:22.06 | Dagmar | No, since then I was making a fucking joke |
| 23:22.23 | Cide | mhm |
| 23:22.53 | Xinhuan | now i'm confused >.> |
| 23:23.02 | Dagmar | Try doing it on a 8086 |
| 23:24.38 | Dagmar | Saying "it's the slowest possible method to render a scene" doesn't have nearly as much meaning until you've done it on an 8086 |
| 23:25.14 | Dagmar | ...because then it becomes very important that something stop the rays, and stop them soon, because the rendering job will take bloody days |
| 23:25.51 | Xinhuan | so you're saying all that just to support my point? |
| 23:26.01 | Dagmar | No, I was making a joke. |
| 23:26.33 | Dagmar | ...although it does still support the point |
| 23:26.55 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 23:27.05 | Dagmar | All those ancient pictures of chrome balls were constructed by people who probably just said "Holy crap that's going to take a long time to finish" |
| 23:27.19 | Xinhuan | it still does :/ |
| 23:27.44 | Dagmar | A scene with eight balls and a floor can finish while you eat lunch now |
| 23:27.44 | Xinhuan | though, in the realm of minutes nowadays, rather than days |
| 23:27.55 | Dagmar | There's a HUGE difference between the two. heh |
| 23:28.03 | airtonix | Dagmar: Unseen University have a course on that |
| 23:28.09 | Xinhuan | POVRAY for the win, right? lol |
| 23:28.49 | Dagmar | Compared to the "write it all yo dam' self" method? OMG yeah |
| 23:29.08 | airtonix | Dagmar: i mean a course on people discussing "holy shit that might take longer than it normally does for the Fat Lady to dress her hair before a rather crowded opera performance" |
| 23:37.19 | Dagmar | Just take my word for it that if it were 1990 and you were doing ray-tracing you'd be throwing checkerboard walls, floors, and ceilings in, just to lower rendering time so the thing could finish before you graduated |
| 23:38.01 | ckknight | you could also do things like making the rays degrade to gray after 100 meters or so |
| 23:38.22 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 23:38.36 | ckknight | and making nearly every object but one non-reflective |
| 23:38.37 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:38.57 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 23:39.24 | ckknight | and you could do things like if after 30 meters you haven't hit anything, see if any neighboring pixels have a result, and if so, just use that |
| 23:39.38 | ckknight | depends on what quality you really care about |
| 23:41.15 | Xinhuan | no Dagmar, i would just stop recursing after 2 bounces or something |
| 23:41.21 | Xinhuan | don't need checkerboards for that |
| 23:41.34 | Dagmar | You'd get weird spots on the balls doing that |
| 23:41.58 | Xinhuan | that's true, always the speed vs quality tradeoff |
| 23:42.08 | Dagmar | The bitch of it is, it was pretty much impossible to tell what shortcut wouldn't result in something glaringly incorrect until after you'd let the thing run once |
| 23:42.42 | Xinhuan | so what do you do if after 10 bounces it doesn't hit a checkerboard? |
| 23:43.32 | Xinhuan | or do you recurse until the change in pixel color goes under a threshold |
| 23:43.52 | Dagmar | You put in more checkboard walls until that doesn't ahppen anymore. ;) |
| 23:44.16 | Xinhuan | a ray could concievably bounce off 2 balls back and forth |
| 23:44.32 | Xinhuan | for 10 times easily |
| 23:45.29 | Xinhuan | if they are close to each other |
| 23:51.04 | sylvanaar | heres the new luadoc support in my IDE if you guys are interested: http://www.screencast.com/t/qcngMlczh |
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