| 00:00.27 | ckknight | I need a name for a cyberpunk game I'm going to make. There will be cyborgs and it will have a very dark theme. |
| 00:03.22 | alestane | I'm presuming computer game. Story or action-driven? |
| 00:04.10 | alestane | Alternatively, main focus on protagonists or antagonists? |
| 00:04.19 | ckknight | alestane: randomly-generated missions with an RPG-style component, though you act as a manager for a team of agents rather than the agents themselves. Not much action, but lots of choices to pick from. |
| 00:04.27 | ckknight | alestane: everyone's an anti-hero. |
| 00:04.29 | ckknight | at best. |
| 00:05.08 | alestane | Some games focus mainly on what you're killing; others on your persona or abilities. Hence my question. |
| 00:05.10 | ckknight | ethical and moral boundaries are offset by the size of the paycheck. |
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| 00:05.39 | ckknight | alestane: there are a multitude of corporations and governments that you act as a mercenary for, attacking the others in turn. |
| 00:06.13 | ckknight | you'll level up and upgrades will unlock as you complete certain missions, which you can then purchase to upgrade your agents |
| 00:06.33 | alestane | So, character ability development is prominent in gameplay then. |
| 00:06.40 | ckknight | yes |
| 00:06.47 | ckknight | that is the major money-sink as well |
| 00:07.20 | alestane | My first concepts are "Chipdeath" or "Shattered Silicon" based on what you've said so far. |
| 00:08.51 | ckknight | "Chipdeath" sounds interesting. The agents are still human, though. Their humanity has just been robbed from them. |
| 00:09.24 | airtonix | ckknight: dolls |
| 00:09.39 | ckknight | yeah, it actually is somewhat similar to Dollhouse in that regard. |
| 00:10.07 | airtonix | yeah i was also thinking of some book i read |
| 00:10.21 | airtonix | i keep thinking its a william gibson book but it isn't |
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| 00:12.45 | ckknight | Random.GetNext(100) |
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| 00:19.19 | Cide | huh |
| 00:19.29 | Cide | can mass dispel no longer remove ice block/divine shield? |
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| 00:22.57 | amro | last I saw it used was 4.0.3 and it worked |
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| 00:26.26 | Cide | should it still say IMMUNE? |
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| 00:46.12 | Kraps | http://www.destructoid.com/man-gives-up-sex-with-two-women-in-order-to-play-mvc3-194862.phtml |
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| 00:52.22 | alestane | Or as one friend put it, "...World of Warcraft...vs. ... hot blondes..." |
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| 01:10.21 | kd3 | hmm... time to keep the nasatv feed on in the background for the next weekish |
| 01:10.29 | kd3 | shuttle launch in <20 hours |
| 01:12.40 | Nobgul | wonder if they will broadcast it on the interweb |
| 01:12.46 | Nobgul | I havent seen one in forever |
| 01:13.03 | amro | Kraps! |
| 01:13.06 | amro | why is ncis doing this to me? |
| 01:13.23 | Kraps | doing what amro |
| 01:13.31 | kd3 | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv |
| 01:13.35 | kd3 | so, yes |
| 01:13.37 | amro | saying stupid things about games |
| 01:13.47 | amro | I can't watch :( |
| 01:14.41 | Kraps | its a haxed gamed thats hacking the pentagon, whats wrong with that? |
| 01:14.51 | amro | max destructo |
| 01:15.34 | Kraps | its a girl! |
| 01:15.42 | amro | max destructine |
| 01:18.01 | amro | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/16/ |
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| 01:19.06 | airtonix | lulz |
| 01:19.32 | Kraps | i really liked die hard 4 :( |
| 01:19.46 | airtonix | is that the one with computers ? |
| 01:19.51 | airtonix | and the nokia phone |
| 01:19.57 | airtonix | and the guy |
| 01:19.59 | airtonix | with the thing |
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| 01:22.45 | Kraps | amro: are you in the middle of the episode? |
| 01:23.13 | amro | yes |
| 01:23.32 | Kraps | the end is bad |
| 01:23.41 | amro | things can only get worse from here |
| 01:23.45 | amro | a kill screen? what the fuck? |
| 01:23.58 | amro | they're not misusing keywords they're flat out making shit up |
| 01:24.21 | Kraps | the ending really bothered me |
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| 01:27.21 | alestane | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/7/16/ |
| 01:27.47 | amro | alestane: I linked it a few minutes back |
| 01:27.56 | alestane | Ah, so I see. |
| 01:28.12 | Kraps | i need some damn ME3 news right now |
| 01:28.20 | alestane | Apologies, just wandered back and saw people talking about technobabble in Die Hard. |
| 01:29.34 | Kraps | alestane: the latest episode of NCIS is the current technobabble offender |
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| 01:31.59 | alestane | I've seen about 75% of one NCIS episode. Haven't formed much of an opinion other than that the goth forensic scientist is indeed hot. |
| 01:32.12 | Dagmar | *Very* |
| 01:33.03 | airtonix | which is negated by her being on ncis |
| 01:34.28 | Kraps | i really like it |
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| 01:34.48 | airtonix | i will destroy you |
| 01:35.41 | amro | hackthepentagon@home |
| 01:36.09 | Kraps | why airtonix |
| 01:37.18 | Kraps | :D amro |
| 01:39.13 | amro | this MMO is more popular than wow apprently |
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| 01:40.42 | amro | wow |
| 01:40.47 | amro | this is worse than digital fortress |
| 01:41.22 | airtonix | the entire planet plays this game |
| 01:41.36 | airtonix | even newborns |
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| 01:45.28 | amro | kraps, why didn't you stop me? |
| 01:45.32 | amro | he shot the computer |
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| 01:45.39 | Kraps | no amro |
| 01:45.41 | amro | I'm surprised they didn't lead it away in handcuffs |
| 01:45.49 | Kraps | he shot the MONITORS |
| 01:46.00 | Dagmar | That'll fix those damn computers |
| 01:46.01 | amro | he shot the computer in the face |
| 01:46.13 | Dagmar | VIRUS KILLZORD! |
| 01:46.33 | alestane | duct-tapes Cairenn. |
| 01:46.42 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
| 01:48.01 | Kraps | and when mcgee says "it _is_ a computer game!" i was expecting some RL dungeon-crawling pro tips |
| 01:48.06 | Kraps | nothing |
| 01:48.27 | amro | that was so dumb |
| 01:48.37 | amro | he had an epiphany, but then they just kept doing the same thing they were doing |
| 01:48.44 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:50.15 | Kraps | so yeah, this episode bothered me |
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| 01:51.01 | Kraps | even the first season episode with an MMORPG was better |
| 01:51.12 | amro | yeah |
| 01:51.18 | alestane | handcuffs Cairenn to the channel this time. |
| 01:51.22 | amro | I'm going to delete this one and pretend it never happened |
| 01:51.31 | Cairenn | arches an eyebrow at alestane, then winks |
| 01:52.21 | Kraps | hey at least mcgee has a girlfriend |
| 01:52.37 | Kraps | thatll last not more that 3 episodes |
| 01:53.00 | amro | that's not a good thing if they're going to be talking about high scores in fear tower 3 |
| 01:53.08 | Kraps | lolololol |
| 01:54.55 | Shirik|Gh | Wobin: Are you ordering the glassees online first or are you trying to do it all at once? |
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| 01:56.42 | Cide | Hillo |
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| 02:01.01 | Shirik | helo |
| 02:04.18 | Cide | well played |
| 02:04.28 | airtonix | was it? |
| 02:04.57 | Cide | yes |
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| 02:21.57 | Cide | where is the leap of faith grip |
| 02:21.58 | Cide | err |
| 02:22.02 | Cide | where is the leap of faith glyph |
| 02:22.18 | Cide | requires -50s cd |
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| 02:25.35 | Arrowmaster | so the status on my RMA'd PSU finally updated |
| 02:26.19 | Arrowmaster | USPS tracking confirmation told me it was delievered to them on the 15th but their site never updated to reflect that until now |
| 02:26.55 | Arrowmaster | now they say its processing but they already list a fedex tracking number which i checked and says something is being shipped back to me |
| 02:27.08 | Arrowmaster | BUT I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT IS BEING SHIPPED OR WHY! |
| 02:27.16 | mckenziemc1 | Cide: i only skimmed the scrollback so my apoligies if you already got a decisive answer, but yes, Mass Dispel will say Immune and still work (just tested with Ice Block on my priest & mage) |
| 02:28.26 | Shirik | lol Arrowmaster |
| 02:28.35 | Shirik | I must say Canon's repair service is awesome, btw |
| 02:28.43 | Shirik | They got that stuff down to a science |
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| 02:29.24 | Arrowmaster | i think this is some new rma service the company has rolled out because the link to it is 'New eRMA' and they still have a link to the old one |
| 02:30.42 | Arrowmaster | but still they say if they determine they wont repair or replace it they will just return my faulty one to me so i have no clue if im going to receive a fixed psu, a new psu, or my old broken psu and need to order a new one from somewhere else |
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| 02:58.55 | kd3 | huh. twitter's failwhaleing |
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| 02:59.27 | Wobin | Shirik: I don't know which will work best |
| 03:08.44 | Thunder_Child | i wonder what win 7 SP1 is all about. |
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| 03:12.42 | pompy1 | Thunder_Child: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff817572(WS.10).aspx |
| 03:13.06 | Cide | anyone here an engineer and a priest? |
| 03:15.06 | Thunder_Child | thanks pompy1 |
| 03:18.40 | Adys | Cide: http://satwcomic.com/mean-names |
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| 03:29.05 | Ackis | any way to move the sound bar on the blind dargon fight? |
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| 03:32.25 | Torhal | Ackis: Whore. Not on IMs so I can bother you. |
| 03:34.36 | Cide | haha, Adys |
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| 03:43.42 | Shirik | I gots a helm Cide :D |
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| 03:50.39 | Cide | yeah that's awesome |
| 03:51.07 | Cide | congrats |
| 03:54.10 | Cide | did you see my prototype |
| 03:54.16 | Cide | it's neat |
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| 03:58.27 | Kraps | kills himself |
| 03:58.47 | nicoli_s | so anyone gonna be trying out rift? |
| 03:59.26 | Iriel | I fiddled with the beta |
| 03:59.57 | Iriel | I'll probably play some of it along side wow for a bit, until I get bored (as seems to happen with all MMO's other than WoW) |
| 04:00.10 | Iriel | It's pretty - though beats the hell out of my video card |
| 04:02.52 | nicoli_s | will be my first real mmo ill be keeping up with, should be fun |
| 04:03.46 | Iriel | The soul system seems interesting, though there's so much overlap between some of them that there really aren't as many "combinations" as they might want it to appear. |
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| 04:11.07 | Ackis | Torhal: I'm raiding, sorry buddy :( |
| 04:11.19 | Ackis | I don't do IM's at night, and I was in an all day training session as well |
| 04:11.54 | Torhal | Ackis: Well, I was about to show you a screenshot of the in-development CRT. But whatever. Go fuck your purple loot. |
| 04:11.56 | Torhal | Bastard. |
| 04:11.58 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:14.21 | mckenziemc | hmm, i thought the hotfix blizzard made regarding guild achievements and xp was that they still could give xp, but no longer ignored the daily cap |
| 04:15.01 | mckenziemc | wowpedia.org says they don't give xp at all (but they quote a line instead of giving an actual link) and the guild interface ingame still says achieves give xp |
| 04:16.51 | Ackis | Torhal: I switched guilds to one that uses dkpsystem.com lol |
| 04:17.23 | Torhal | Wow |
| 04:17.37 | Torhal | Site looks...nevermind. |
| 04:17.38 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:18.28 | Ackis | yeah :P |
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| 04:19.12 | Kraps | WHAT THE HELL INTERNET |
| 04:19.25 | mckenziemc | Kraps |
| 04:20.08 | Shirik | Cide, did priest mastery calculations change recently? |
| 04:21.51 | Ackis | Shirik: I got lootz! |
| 04:21.58 | Ackis | bracers of burningeye |
| 04:22.03 | Ackis | brackish gloves |
| 04:22.09 | Ackis | (which when linked it pings me) |
| 04:23.53 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:25.28 | mckenziemc | loots Ackis' bank |
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| 04:29.17 | Shirik | Cide |
| 04:29.21 | Shirik | I now have 516 haste rating |
| 04:29.22 | Shirik | exactly |
| 04:29.23 | Cide | Shirik: not as far as I can tell |
| 04:29.26 | Cide | hahaha nice |
| 04:29.51 | Shirik | where's the helm enchant again? |
| 04:30.05 | Cide | hyjal |
| 04:33.35 | Shirik | ty |
| 04:34.28 | Wobin | I can't help but think that Rift's Soul system will only result in a minimal number of viable combinational FOTM as it were |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | I guess my next piece is the tier chest piece (sigh) |
| 04:34.46 | Shirik | nothing better to buy with valor points |
| 04:35.10 | Wobin | Shirik: I don't know how Gunnar deal with international prescriptions |
| 04:35.23 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:35.40 | Wobin | and mine is a pretty awful prescription |
| 04:35.42 | Shirik | Well I know I ordered mine online (note: no rx) and they shipped the next day |
| 04:35.52 | Cide | yeah I have it Shirik |
| 04:35.54 | Cide | it's awful |
| 04:35.54 | Shirik | And I know I've heard of people buying online and then brining it to the doctor to get them fixed |
| 04:36.07 | Wobin | which seems odd, to me |
| 04:36.19 | Shirik | agree |
| 04:36.22 | Wobin | cause isn't a lot of it the coating on the lens? |
| 04:36.29 | Shirik | no idea |
| 04:36.34 | Wobin | The frames, fine... |
| 04:36.41 | Shirik | oh you mean the technology? |
| 04:36.42 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:36.48 | Shirik | I don't know how a prescription works though |
| 04:37.00 | Wobin | just in the construction of the lenses |
| 04:37.07 | Shirik | I just know I go to lenscrafters and they're like "oh you have plan of awesomeness have these $400 glasses for free bye now" |
| 04:37.08 | Wobin | thickness, etc |
| 04:37.19 | Cide | plan of awesomeness |
| 04:37.20 | Cide | rofll |
| 04:37.27 | Shirik | seriously |
| 04:37.29 | Wobin | I <3 medical cover |
| 04:37.44 | Shirik | first time I went to that store, they were like "oh shit you have VSP, that plan is awesome. Let's pick out the most expensive frames in the store" |
| 04:37.46 | Wobin | I'd spend 500 or so a year if not for that |
| 04:37.52 | Shirik | and then he got mad at me when I picked one that was only like $150 |
| 04:37.56 | Wobin | haha =) |
| 04:37.58 | Wobin | cheaparse =) |
| 04:38.05 | Cide | ^ |
| 04:38.14 | Shirik | And then we're going through the lenses and he's like ok you want this coating and this coating and this coating |
| 04:38.16 | Wobin | you want to go the full titanium frames! |
| 04:38.16 | Shirik | he didn't even ask |
| 04:38.31 | Wobin | Shirik: the poor man probably had never had the chance to use all the nifty stuff |
| 04:38.39 | Shirik | VSP's plan is awesome though, at least the plan I have |
| 04:38.43 | Wobin | and you were the first customer who could afford it =) |
| 04:38.46 | Shirik | they just say "frames every 2 years, lenses every year" |
| 04:38.53 | Shirik | no limit |
| 04:38.59 | Wobin | oh very -very- nice |
| 04:39.08 | Wobin | yeah, go full hog on the extras then |
| 04:39.21 | Wobin | titanium frames are awesome, they're feather light |
| 04:39.27 | Shirik | so anyway he took my $150 frames and made them like $300 to get the feather light ones |
| 04:39.30 | Shirik | that looked similar |
| 04:39.31 | Wobin | and watching people wince when you twist them into knots is entertaining |
| 04:39.35 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:39.58 | Wobin | Transition lenses are also pretty good nowadays |
| 04:40.06 | Wobin | the tech has improved |
| 04:40.08 | Shirik | I don't really like them |
| 04:40.14 | Shirik | it just seems odd to me |
| 04:40.30 | Wobin | well, since you're only slightly nearsighted, it doesn't bother you to just wear sunnies |
| 04:40.47 | Shirik | well I have prescription sunglasses for driving :) |
| 04:40.53 | Shirik | that's actually the only reason I have glasses |
| 04:40.58 | Shirik | because I'm required to wear them while driving |
| 04:41.13 | Wobin | It saves me having to carry around two sets every time I want to step outside |
| 04:41.58 | Wobin | and how do you feel they are odd? |
| 04:41.58 | Rosshambo | is there an easy way to anchor the gametooltip to the mouse? |
| 04:42.47 | Shirik | my glasses would be changing color! |
| 04:43.25 | Wobin | They'd be CONVERTING into SUNGLASSES |
| 04:43.28 | Wobin | like an AUTOBOT |
| 04:43.41 | Wobin | (or Decepticon) |
| 04:45.32 | Arrowmaster | those gunnar optics frames dont come in titanium im guessing |
| 04:45.52 | Wobin | I actually wouldn't be surprised |
| 04:46.07 | Arrowmaster | i didnt see it mentioned anywhere on their site |
| 04:46.14 | Wobin | I'm sure they'd take the suggestion on board if they didn't. It's the type of style they'd go after |
| 04:46.39 | Arrowmaster | im not asking because of 'style' but requirement |
| 04:47.12 | Shadowed | Wobin how noticeable is it using titanium frames? |
| 04:47.19 | Shirik | actually Arrowmaster, I am told they are extremely light |
| 04:47.24 | Shirik | they might not be titanium |
| 04:47.30 | Shirik | but I am told they're featherweight |
| 04:47.32 | Wobin | Shadowed: It depends on your prescription |
| 04:47.36 | Wobin | they are -very- -very- light |
| 04:47.37 | Shirik | Shadowed: Very |
| 04:47.37 | Shadowed | ah |
| 04:47.39 | Wobin | and comfortable |
| 04:47.51 | Shadowed | do you know what brand of transition lenses you got? |
| 04:47.54 | Arrowmaster | i need full hypoallergenic frames which means titanium or plastic (and i hate plastic) |
| 04:47.54 | Shirik | It really is a huge difference (at least for me, someone with lightweight lenses) |
| 04:48.01 | Shadowed | been debating switching to them, but from what I've read there are like 50 brands |
| 04:48.03 | Shadowed | and some of them suck |
| 04:48.12 | Wobin | Shadowed: I don't know of a specific brand... I could ask though |
| 04:48.17 | Shirik | I think Transitions is a brand name |
| 04:48.20 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:48.22 | Shadowed | yea Transitions is one of them |
| 04:48.22 | Wobin | ^ |
| 04:48.36 | Shadowed | not a big deal Wobin, I'll just go in one day and ask |
| 04:48.48 | Wobin | It's well worth the extra fee |
| 04:49.17 | Wobin | They used to be pretty terrible, about 10-15 years ago |
| 04:49.18 | Arrowmaster | my lenses stay a little darker normally but in sunlight get very dark |
| 04:49.26 | Wobin | but they've improved quite a lot |
| 04:49.30 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 04:49.34 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/#!5768766/duke-nukem-forever-is-planning-one-hell-of-a-credits-roll |
| 04:50.57 | Shadowed | I should ban you for linking kotaku purely on principle of their god awful UI |
| 04:52.52 | Shirik | at least it works in chrome |
| 04:52.56 | Shirik | unlike my health company's site |
| 04:53.08 | Shirik | god knows why a health insurance site needs to enforce internet explorer |
| 04:53.10 | mckenziemc | hah |
| 04:53.41 | Shirik | I should spoof it and see why |
| 04:55.14 | Shirik | There's like an inch of snow on the ground now |
| 04:55.26 | Shirik | Chance of snow: 90% |
| 04:55.47 | Shirik | I really would like to know what happened to the other 10% |
| 04:57.27 | mckenziemc | Chance of Shirik: 110% |
| 04:57.40 | Shirik | what a beautiful day that would be |
| 04:58.17 | Dagmar | 10% chance of Polar Bears |
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| 06:26.28 | Fisker | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 06:26.39 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 06:31.33 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:34.29 | mckenziemc | threatens Fisker with a nuclear winter. |
| 06:36.45 | Wobin | what drives me insane, is what sort of site uses -javascript- in it's linking to link to an article? |
| 06:37.02 | Wobin | or rather, tagging to redirect |
| 06:37.06 | Wobin | no wait, javascript |
| 06:37.14 | Wobin | cause noscript keeps me on the main page |
| 06:39.35 | mckenziemc | ~weather klax |
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| 07:26.31 | Fisker | and to think you were once my friend airtonix |
| 07:27.07 | airtonix | rings the red phone |
| 07:27.44 | airtonix | fire ze missiles |
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| 07:54.29 | airtonix | i need a ladder for a comms cabinet that does this : http://i.imgur.com/6AVFe.png |
| 07:58.40 | mikma_ | fisker: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/21/2012-fisker-karma-first-drive-review-road-test |
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| 08:10.31 | zenzio | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/02/24/020255/Talking-To-Computers - "I can't speak for anybody else, but a lot of the time I don't *want* people to overhear what I'm asking my computer to do..." |
| 08:11.28 | Corrodias | damn straight |
| 08:15.08 | mikma_ | fuck that |
| 08:15.16 | mikma_ | imagine if the computer would have to take orders from tekkub |
| 08:15.40 | mikma_ | "computer, surf me some furryporn. no, more furry. no, more peniseseses" |
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| 08:31.52 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:32.00 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/j10Iu |
| 08:32.03 | Fisker | there are twice the amount of idevices here than androids |
| 08:32.06 | Fisker | however i can fix this |
| 08:32.09 | airtonix | http://www.ladders.ie/blog/wp-content/ladderimgs/2008/02/xtendnclimb.jpg |
| 08:32.39 | airtonix | Fisker: send me a telestep pls |
| 08:32.47 | airtonix | http://www.telesteps.com/en/loftladder.html |
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| 08:57.45 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/dance-assassin-2009881 :DDDDDD |
| 08:57.53 | mikma | that's fucking awesome |
| 08:59.33 | karl_w_w | <airtonix> http://www.ladders.ie/blog/wp-content/ladderimgs/2008/02/xtendnclimb.jpg <- personally, I don't want to climb a ladder that is designed to collapse down |
| 09:01.36 | airtonix | it only collapses when you release the side moving spring pressured pins |
| 09:02.19 | airtonix | the telestep seems to be a better design in that regard |
| 09:03.31 | nevcairiel | so instead of going down, you release the pin, and the ladder takes you down |
| 09:03.33 | nevcairiel | sounds like win-win! |
| 09:05.50 | airtonix | the part i like is that it collapses down to two feet which means it will fit in the cupboard easily when i mount it to a slide out rail |
| 09:12.28 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/news-anchors-crack-up-at-double-entendre-2006475 |
| 09:16.18 | karl_w_w | haha |
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| 09:20.35 | airtonix | btw Fisker |
| 09:21.34 | mckenziemc | no airtonix |
| 09:26.25 | Corrodias | sometimes i think it'd be nice to have one virtual machine with linux on it. then i remember that i can't think of the last time i needed to run something on linux. i think there was one thing ever. |
| 09:26.40 | Corrodias | i wonder what i might want to run on such a VM at any point. |
| 09:26.45 | zenzio | hm, interesting... Zul'Aman and Zul'Gurub back as 5-man 85s. I thought ZG was just going to be a quest area |
| 09:27.09 | airtonix | Corrodias: umadbrotrollhardr |
| 09:28.17 | Corrodias | just looking for a good excuse to install linux on a VM. i suppose i could just do it for the fun of it. |
| 09:28.29 | Corrodias | why do i really need an excuse? |
| 09:28.47 | airtonix | sometimes i think it'd be nice to have one virtual machine with windows on it. then i remember that i can't think of the last time i needed to run something on windows. i don't think there was one thing ever. |
| 09:29.12 | greppy | uses vbox + winxp to manage his ipod |
| 09:29.42 | airtonix | i didn't even need windows for that when i had an ipod |
| 09:30.19 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 09:30.43 | greppy | I wouldn't, except that I listen to audiobooks from audible.com |
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| 10:50.01 | mckenziemc | heh, i almost deleted a bank alt without clearing his bags first >.> |
| 10:50.41 | airtonix | nice one champ |
| 10:50.50 | airtonix | what do you do for encore? |
| 10:51.43 | mckenziemc | forget to transfer the gbank on the next char |
| 10:51.56 | mckenziemc | (yes i know you can't actually delete a character that's GM of a guild) |
| 10:52.05 | Fisker | you can mckenziemc |
| 10:52.59 | mckenziemc | i haven't tried it, but i hear you have to /gdisband first |
| 10:53.46 | mckenziemc | also, i need a name for my new guild bank |
| 10:53.51 | mckenziemc | i'm thinking <Fisker> |
| 10:54.09 | Fisker | oh ic |
| 11:00.00 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around a bit with a stale Winter Veil cookie |
| 11:04.12 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:07.27 | mckenziemc | Fisker, why is microsoft's server so slow? |
| 11:08.15 | mckenziemc | i'm downloading W7 SP1 and the server can't even saturate this 640kb/s dsl |
| 11:12.02 | Fisker | l2p mckenziemc |
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| 11:18.13 | Fisker | oh wow |
| 11:18.17 | Fisker | so zg and zul'aman back |
| 11:18.19 | Fisker | i'm disappoint |
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| 11:23.01 | airtonix | why |
| 11:23.06 | mckenziemc | i'd be disappointed too if my name was Fisker |
| 11:24.49 | mckenziemc | i think it would be interesting if blizz could somehow implement a scaling system so that all the old instances could automatically scale well to high levels and give appropriate loot |
| 11:25.07 | airtonix | that'd be too easy |
| 11:25.37 | mckenziemc | just like your mom? |
| 11:25.44 | airtonix | it's much easier to simply delete the instance and spend lots of time and money to create new ones thereby alienating the lower level players and dooming them to singleplayer missions |
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| 11:28.05 | harl | wuff |
| 11:28.25 | mckenziemc | meow |
| 11:29.24 | A-KO | mckenziemc: that'd be very difficult to do effectively |
| 11:29.32 | airtonix | no it wouldn't |
| 11:29.48 | airtonix | it already happens when you wear heirloom items |
| 11:29.59 | Fisker | if they should make a scaling system they should basically either: Remove loot, or have shared loot tables |
| 11:30.11 | A-KO | that's different, airtonix. |
| 11:30.16 | airtonix | no it's not |
| 11:30.34 | mckenziemc | yeah, i figure it might be pretty complicated, A-KO |
| 11:31.15 | A-KO | it's one thing to scale the raw numbers, you can scale HP, dmg output, add a new ability here or there--but it's another to make the encounters worthwhile. An encounter designed for level 20 players is vastly different than one designed for 85 players due to # of abilities you have in your arsenal. I can only imagine without some manual cleanup that the encounters would be however trivial |
| 11:31.16 | A-KO | given the wider array of class capabilities. |
| 11:31.16 | airtonix | it's just more profitable to have you customers racing to participate in the lastest content |
| 11:31.34 | A-KO | that is, there'd be some way to cheese it |
| 11:31.39 | A-KO | which they'd have to go in and clean up anyway |
| 11:31.44 | mckenziemc | true |
| 11:31.55 | mckenziemc | though most of teh stuff ends up being tank-and-spank anyway :p |
| 11:32.00 | mckenziemc | the low level stuff |
| 11:32.05 | airtonix | it's much easier than you make it out to be |
| 11:32.09 | A-KO | true mckenziemc |
| 11:32.14 | airtonix | don't scale the instance up |
| 11:32.17 | mckenziemc | airtonix: anything can look easy on paper |
| 11:32.27 | A-KO | airtonix: I don't think so, I think it'd be far more complicated than just raw number/level scaling. |
| 11:32.33 | A-KO | to do it effectively anwyay |
| 11:32.38 | A-KO | you *could* |
| 11:32.41 | A-KO | but I don't see the draw |
| 11:32.51 | A-KO | There's only so many times I feel like running RFC/WC/whatever |
| 11:33.03 | airtonix | why are you trying to change the intance ? |
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| 11:33.18 | airtonix | heirloom items already provide the answer |
| 11:33.34 | mckenziemc | but would you rather have RFC as an option, or be stuck with HoS/Ocu etc |
| 11:33.38 | A-KO | heirloom items do not provide the answer |
| 11:33.43 | airtonix | yes they do |
| 11:33.46 | A-KO | they do not |
| 11:33.53 | airtonix | you just don't see it |
| 11:34.54 | mckenziemc | airtonix: considering a) how rediculously easy heirlooms make things, and b) i would guess heirlooms throw off class balance during the levels they're used |
| 11:35.12 | A-KO | heirlooms throw off the balance, that's their intent |
| 11:35.27 | airtonix | you still don't see it |
| 11:35.29 | A-KO | if they didn't upset the balance they'd be worthless :P |
| 11:35.41 | A-KO | airtonix: so point it out, oh so wizard. |
| 11:35.49 | mckenziemc | i forgot to mention that i'm figuring the scaled dungeons would drop scaled loot |
| 11:35.55 | mckenziemc | so by balance i mean between classes |
| 11:35.56 | airtonix | no |
| 11:36.15 | karl_w_w | classes are barely balanced at 85 |
| 11:36.25 | karl_w_w | they have never been balanced at low levels |
| 11:36.26 | airtonix | stop thinking about level 85 |
| 11:36.33 | mckenziemc | i'm aware karl_w_w |
| 11:36.44 | mckenziemc | we're talking about scaling, which would bring teh issue to 85s |
| 11:36.51 | airtonix | no |
| 11:36.55 | A-KO | mckenziemc: It'd just be impossible to do it effectively, I mean, they could scale the raw numbers of the NPCs and whatnot, sure........but that really wouldn't be much fun....I mean, I suppose if you like stomping through dungeons as fun, then maybe it would be a great idea, but I at least like some challenge, and a truly challenging encounter requires close stewardship of the mechanics. |
| 11:37.01 | airtonix | no |
| 11:37.35 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1776587779?page=2#34 |
| 11:37.35 | airtonix | we are talking about high level players running level 20 dungeons with other level 20 players without being a high level player or re re-rolling a new toon |
| 11:37.36 | Fisker | no |
| 11:37.44 | mckenziemc | A-KO: one solution might be to have some way for the users to pick the difficulty within a small scale, and adjust the award accordingly |
| 11:37.50 | mckenziemc | no airtonix, we aren't |
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| 11:37.54 | airtonix | yes |
| 11:37.57 | airtonix | you are |
| 11:38.00 | A-KO | airtonix: Oh, you mean like the failed game, Age of Conan? |
| 11:38.07 | A-KO | ok then |
| 11:38.18 | A-KO | but no |
| 11:38.21 | mckenziemc | (3:24:45 AM) mckenziemc: i think it would be interesting if blizz could somehow implement a scaling system so that all the old instances could automatically scale well to high levels and give appropriate loot |
| 11:38.22 | A-KO | we're talking about something different |
| 11:38.23 | airtonix | yes because what i describe was the cause of its failure |
| 11:38.30 | mckenziemc | scale to high level, not have high levels scale down |
| 11:38.38 | mckenziemc | but i can see how it could be misunderstood |
| 11:39.06 | mckenziemc | what i mean is have the instances scale so a group of all 85s could do an old instance, and it would automatically scale as if it was tuned for 85s |
| 11:39.17 | airtonix | my idea is better, because it means there is more players to do low level dungeons |
| 11:39.20 | karl_w_w | for what purpose |
| 11:39.25 | mckenziemc | variety |
| 11:39.35 | karl_w_w | how is that variety |
| 11:39.45 | A-KO | mckenziemc: yeah, but the thing is, what constitutes "difficult"? I mean, is it all just the raw numbers? raw healing output, raw dmg output, raw armor? Is it the # of mobs in a group? I think of it like a system that would "randomize" pulls in an instance, for example, how do you know the RNG wouldn't choose some impossibly difficult configuration of NPCs? sort of deal. |
| 11:39.48 | karl_w_w | they are the same dungeons you've done before |
| 11:39.51 | mckenziemc | because you're not running dungeons from the same set of 12 |
| 11:39.56 | A-KO | mckenziemc: I can only imagine that situations like that would occur in all extremes |
| 11:40.06 | karl_w_w | devs putting in time to make that work would be less variety than devs making new dungeons |
| 11:40.09 | mckenziemc | yeah karl, but would you rather do one of 12 or so, or one of 40 or so? |
| 11:40.24 | A-KO | yeah, karl_w_w is correct. |
| 11:40.31 | mckenziemc | note i said "it would be interesting" not "blizzard should do it" |
| 11:40.31 | A-KO | I'd rather have new dungeons, new stories, new encounters |
| 11:40.42 | karl_w_w | when the 40 consists of dungeons ive seen 100s of times? |
| 11:40.45 | karl_w_w | 1 of 12 please |
| 11:41.06 | airtonix | this kind of talk is why it doesn't get done |
| 11:41.12 | A-KO | mckenziemc: the idea of automatic scaling and automated this or that would be great, but extremely difficult to do right, and the amount of time spent trying to get it right, you could have just designed a new dungeon. |
| 11:41.21 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 11:41.21 | mckenziemc | yeah, i know |
| 11:41.32 | airtonix | "i don't care about anyone else, I just want my drugs" |
| 11:41.42 | A-KO | sounds good on paper, in theory, but would utterly fail in practice :P |
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| 11:42.15 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: by the end of an expansion, you've probably done those 12 or w.e instances more times than you've done the other instances |
| 11:42.54 | karl_w_w | possibly, but they're still old dungeons |
| 11:43.23 | karl_w_w | or they could just add new ones in |
| 11:43.35 | airtonix | "hey let's do deadmines" , "we can't we need another two people", half an hour later: "im logging off" |
| 11:43.52 | A-KO | dungeon finder? |
| 11:43.52 | airtonix | level 10 sucks |
| 11:44.02 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: that will be obsolete in a couple years :p |
| 11:44.13 | A-KO | I've had little issue running low level dungeons on my alt |
| 11:44.19 | A-KO | Iv'e sat in queue for like 30 minutes, sure |
| 11:44.30 | karl_w_w | making the old ones keep scaling up doesnt make them any less old :P |
| 11:44.34 | airtonix | i'd rather run dungeons with friends than strangers |
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| 11:44.52 | karl_w_w | and they'd still have to keep rebalancing them which would be time taken away from more new ones |
| 11:45.15 | airtonix | not if you sacle players down to the dungeon level |
| 11:45.18 | airtonix | isntead |
| 11:45.44 | A-KO | "hey look I lost this awesome ability that I normally have and have put into my rotation so I can play at level 20" |
| 11:45.46 | karl_w_w | yeah that would be fun |
| 11:45.47 | A-KO | the draw would be minimal |
| 11:45.53 | A-KO | meh, wouldn't be fun to me |
| 11:45.56 | A-KO | nor most people I would imagine |
| 11:46.03 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 11:46.11 | airtonix | learn to pwn with less |
| 11:46.19 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: old as in you've done them, or old as in made years ago |
| 11:46.21 | karl_w_w | if you want to be a low level in a low level dungeon, go make a new toon :P |
| 11:46.25 | karl_w_w | both |
| 11:46.29 | A-KO | and turn off XP gain |
| 11:46.29 | airtonix | takes too long |
| 11:46.35 | A-KO | not with heirlooms |
| 11:46.43 | A-KO | heirlooms I can trip over a fucking rock, discover a new area, and ding 2 levels |
| 11:46.46 | A-KO | seriously |
| 11:46.53 | airtonix | however long it takes to level to lvl30 from 1 is too long |
| 11:47.12 | A-KO | you stack some heirlooms + guild leveling bonus on that = level 30 in a matter of hours |
| 11:47.16 | A-KO | 10-20 |
| 11:47.17 | A-KO | easily |
| 11:47.17 | airtonix | no |
| 11:47.20 | airtonix | still too long |
| 11:47.27 | A-KO | welll |
| 11:47.38 | airtonix | i should be able to just walk in the dungeon with other level 30s and be a level 30 for the duration of the dungeon |
| 11:47.40 | A-KO | this is why blizzard has the most successful MMORPG in history :P |
| 11:47.52 | A-KO | just keep that in mind |
| 11:47.59 | mckenziemc | 1-20 is a long day |
| 11:48.12 | Kalroth | they made DKs for players like airtonix |
| 11:48.39 | airtonix | see ? no |
| 11:48.57 | airtonix | if i take my level 85 priest into a dungeon with other level 30s its not fun for them |
| 11:49.09 | karl_w_w | why would you do it then |
| 11:49.14 | airtonix | they basically there to carry my coat and i ruin the xp for them |
| 11:49.27 | mckenziemc | yeah i think it would be nice if players could scale down too , so you could do stuff with friends |
| 11:49.35 | mckenziemc | i personally wouldn't use it much though |
| 11:49.37 | airtonix | thats my point |
| 11:49.46 | airtonix | if it was there it would get used |
| 11:49.52 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 11:49.53 | airtonix | more than you would like to admit |
| 11:50.10 | karl_w_w | who would really use that |
| 11:50.23 | karl_w_w | thats crazy |
| 11:50.34 | karl_w_w | they'd just turn it off so they could carry their friends |
| 11:50.34 | airtonix | i remember countless times while i was playing were it would have been used |
| 11:50.46 | airtonix | like they already do? |
| 11:50.47 | mckenziemc | well if it _could_ be balanced, i'd rather do that than queue for the same set of 10 |
| 11:51.03 | karl_w_w | exactly like they already do |
| 11:51.05 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: because running is more fun than carrying for both parties |
| 11:51.25 | airtonix | karl_w_w: so how is that a valid argument for not implementing it? |
| 11:51.34 | karl_w_w | becuase it wouldnt be used |
| 11:51.39 | airtonix | by you |
| 11:51.46 | mckenziemc | it would indeed be used |
| 11:51.52 | mckenziemc | i'm with airtonix on that |
| 11:52.04 | karl_w_w | you're living in a dream world |
| 11:52.17 | mckenziemc | you're living under a box :) |
| 11:52.19 | karl_w_w | give it 1 run |
| 11:52.27 | airtonix | not really , the old guild i was in had players with many low level alts for that purpose |
| 11:52.29 | karl_w_w | and every1 will say "why the fuck am i doing this" |
| 11:52.48 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 11:53.04 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: endgame isn't the only thing that makes people level alts |
| 11:53.05 | karl_w_w | no, i got a doctor's note to say im not |
| 11:53.55 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc: well they dont do it for the challenge of the dungeons |
| 11:54.15 | karl_w_w | maybe you havent been in a dungeon lately :P |
| 11:54.17 | mckenziemc | some don't, some do |
| 11:54.30 | mckenziemc | you've been in too many endgame dungeons lately |
| 11:54.41 | karl_w_w | not really |
| 11:54.46 | karl_w_w | i dont even do 1 a day |
| 11:54.49 | mckenziemc | where people are fed up with the place because they've been doing the same thing over and over |
| 11:55.03 | mckenziemc | why do you think people play? |
| 11:55.28 | mckenziemc | there's nothing "magical" about raids for instance that makes them totally fun and dungeons totally boring |
| 11:55.33 | karl_w_w | ask a question that doesnt require hours to answer |
| 11:56.00 | karl_w_w | when did i say dungeons were boring |
| 11:56.15 | mckenziemc | 3:53:52 AM) karl_w_w: mckenziemc: well they dont do it for the challenge of the dungeons |
| 11:56.52 | karl_w_w | that = they are boring? |
| 11:57.05 | mckenziemc | considering it was sarcastic |
| 11:57.14 | karl_w_w | how was it sarcastic |
| 11:57.17 | mckenziemc | you're saying no one would want to do the low level dungeons |
| 11:57.56 | karl_w_w | level 85s who do low level dungeons solo them or carry people |
| 11:57.56 | airtonix | trollmoar |
| 11:57.57 | mckenziemc | forget the sarcasm part |
| 11:58.16 | mckenziemc | and why would they not want to have a challenge while doing them? |
| 11:58.24 | karl_w_w | because they're easy |
| 11:58.41 | mckenziemc | not if they're somehow scaled to be challenging |
| 11:58.49 | karl_w_w | the whole group can be 4 levels below the level of the trash and they are still easy |
| 11:58.56 | karl_w_w | there is no challenge in low level dungeons at all |
| 11:58.58 | mckenziemc | that's a different issue |
| 11:59.07 | mckenziemc | and i would disagree with that |
| 11:59.19 | mckenziemc | but it all depends on how you as an individual like to play |
| 11:59.34 | karl_w_w | i would like to play new content |
| 11:59.34 | mckenziemc | some would like it whether or not it was more challenging, some wouldn't |
| 11:59.59 | mckenziemc | you said summarily that no one (well, relaxing the exaggeration, very few people) would use the feature |
| 12:00.02 | karl_w_w | maybe we're talking about slightly different things |
| 12:00.24 | mckenziemc | new content is nice, but when that's not possible, getting a _wider_ variety of old content is also good |
| 12:00.26 | karl_w_w | you're still assuming that these low level dungeons get scaled and balanced out of thin air |
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| 12:00.42 | mckenziemc | you're still assuming that they're not |
| 12:00.54 | karl_w_w | they cant even balance them now |
| 12:01.10 | karl_w_w | to impliment this and make it interesting would take a lot of time |
| 12:01.11 | mckenziemc | possibly a subjective analysis |
| 12:01.22 | mckenziemc | but _could_ pay off |
| 12:01.23 | karl_w_w | and the result would be something every1 has seen before |
| 12:01.27 | karl_w_w | instead of something new |
| 12:01.37 | mckenziemc | but gets a new way to experience |
| 12:02.22 | mckenziemc | and possibly could increase the longevity of the new content too |
| 12:02.45 | karl_w_w | there would be no new content :P |
| 12:03.18 | mckenziemc | another unnecessary assumption |
| 12:03.34 | karl_w_w | having less of something doesnt make it last longer |
| 12:03.55 | karl_w_w | especially when the replacement is rehashed content |
| 12:04.32 | mckenziemc | ~wiki brainstorm |
| 12:04.43 | mckenziemc | you're still focusing too much on possible constraints |
| 12:05.21 | karl_w_w | you mean I'm being too realistic |
| 12:06.01 | mckenziemc | yes, and in the wrong context, such as here, it's not necessary |
| 12:06.32 | karl_w_w | so why didnt you simply agree with me when I said you're living in a dream world? :P |
| 12:06.52 | mckenziemc | because that's the point |
| 12:07.00 | airtonix | this just in, new expansion canceled to make room for design of a single new spell icon for hunters |
| 12:07.07 | airtonix | OHNOES |
| 12:08.02 | mckenziemc | if every idea was met with the response "no, we need to focus on new content" there wouldn't actually _be_ new content |
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| 12:08.19 | karl_w_w | this isnt every idea |
| 12:08.22 | karl_w_w | this is 1 idea |
| 12:09.01 | mckenziemc | that's not in the proper stage for considering restraints |
| 12:09.23 | mckenziemc | particulary subjective ones |
| 12:09.48 | karl_w_w | time taken to develop something is pretty quantitative |
| 12:10.27 | airtonix | sorry we canceled the latest expansion so we could spend time working on the latest expansion |
| 12:10.40 | mckenziemc | yes, but that's true of anything |
| 12:10.46 | karl_w_w | blizzard did that airtonix :P |
| 12:10.53 | mckenziemc | new content takes time to develop too |
| 12:10.53 | airtonix | umad |
| 12:10.58 | karl_w_w | 5 months delayed from their original plan wasnt cata? |
| 12:11.02 | mckenziemc | that's no excuse _not_ to consider something |
| 12:11.55 | airtonix | "so guys why after 12 months haven't you created any new content?" , "we were busy making shortcuts of internet explorer on our desktops...it's hard werk boss!" |
| 12:12.28 | karl_w_w | in fact cata is a good example |
| 12:12.51 | karl_w_w | it was delayed and delayed so they could redevelop the old zones |
| 12:13.00 | karl_w_w | and how much of an impact has that made? |
| 12:13.05 | karl_w_w | sure it's nice |
| 12:13.18 | karl_w_w | but when you consider how underdeveloped everything else has been |
| 12:13.32 | karl_w_w | just look at the QQ over tol barad, and that's only 1 issue |
| 12:13.56 | mckenziemc | when you consider that many people only think about endgame and won't go outside and look around :) |
| 12:13.58 | airtonix | yeah because one script to lower your level is going to take more than a days work? lawl |
| 12:14.08 | karl_w_w | exactly mckenziemc |
| 12:14.16 | karl_w_w | blizzard's market cares about new content |
| 12:14.22 | karl_w_w | thanks for making my point |
| 12:14.26 | airtonix | ohnoes if we spend one day on this it means we can't spend 12mths on new content |
| 12:14.29 | mckenziemc | it's a different problem though |
| 12:14.43 | mckenziemc | also, they _think_ they care about new content |
| 12:14.59 | mckenziemc | it's not uncommon for people to think they want one thing, when something else would actually satisfy them more |
| 12:15.12 | mckenziemc | in which case it can be better to give the latter, not the former |
| 12:15.55 | karl_w_w | well blizzard have been giving everyone the former for a long time and it hasnt hurt their bank balance |
| 12:16.17 | mckenziemc | why do you think blizzard takes people's forum posts with a grain of salt |
| 12:16.24 | karl_w_w | it's rare that new content goes unwelcomed |
| 12:16.37 | mckenziemc | those people are _sure_ they know what they want, when they really don't |
| 12:17.04 | mckenziemc | yes, working on alternatives and _completely_ forgoing new content would be a mistake |
| 12:17.28 | mckenziemc | but improvements to older (but not obsolete) content don't go unwelcomed either |
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| 12:35.21 | A-KO | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/february/ragnaros2.jpg < lol? |
| 12:35.28 | A-KO | I'm sure add some fire effects he doesn't look so bad |
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| 12:36.28 | nevcairiel | the modelviewer images are always without partical effects |
| 12:36.32 | nevcairiel | which makes stuff look silly |
| 12:36.33 | A-KO | yeah |
| 12:36.39 | karl_w_w | what's with the legs |
| 12:36.53 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.03 | A-KO | he's an elemental |
| 12:37.04 | karl_w_w | ragnaros doesn't have legs |
| 12:37.07 | A-KO | they can take whatever form they please |
| 12:37.34 | zenzio | karl_w_w: would you rather he had hooves? |
| 12:38.10 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 12:38.23 | karl_w_w | "The fan-favorite level 70 10-man raid Zul'Aman" <- is this true? |
| 12:38.26 | karl_w_w | i hated za |
| 12:38.44 | zenzio | hard to say, but I believe it was pretty popular |
| 12:39.08 | mckenziemc | again, don't forget you're not the only player ;) |
| 12:39.09 | zenzio | remember, it was the first 10-man since Kharazan |
| 12:39.28 | mckenziemc | meh, sorry for the quip, that was kinda mean |
| 12:39.33 | karl_w_w | well i guess |
| 12:39.39 | zenzio | mckenziemc: but true |
| 12:39.43 | karl_w_w | it could be the favourite through being the only option |
| 12:40.17 | Bibi | [13:36:25] <nevcairiel> the modelviewer images are always without partical effects |
| 12:40.17 | Bibi | [13:36:29] <nevcairiel> which makes stuff look silly |
| 12:40.31 | Bibi | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/february/WHATTHEFUUUUUUUUUCK.jpg |
| 12:40.33 | Bibi | you mean that? |
| 12:40.33 | Bibi | :p |
| 12:41.04 | mckenziemc | omg Bibi talks! |
| 12:41.33 | zenzio | he has some sort of MMOC-radar, he's susprisingly quick on the spot when it's discussed (directly or indirectly) |
| 12:41.52 | nevcairiel | that difference doesnt look like particle effects |
| 12:42.01 | nevcairiel | more like some texturing fail |
| 12:42.33 | mckenziemc | hey Bibi, do you know or could you ask if chaud has enough data to break down the BG win rates by battlegroup? |
| 12:42.59 | karl_w_w | i asked him |
| 12:43.02 | mckenziemc | i'd like to see how much the rates can very between isolated groups (since most of that data was before the change to the servers |
| 12:43.18 | mckenziemc | yeah, but he only responded who did it, and you didn't push the second part :p |
| 12:43.22 | karl_w_w | "I could, but it is only maybe 3-7k players per battlegroup and the battlegroups don't exist anymore like they used to, so the data wouldn't be perfectly clean. " |
| 12:43.36 | mckenziemc | ah, i guess i wasn't around that time |
| 12:44.52 | mckenziemc | i'd still like to see it though |
| 12:44.58 | karl_w_w | "Silithus 4.x - Cenarion Hold Hallucination" <- part of a caster legendary quest, is my bet |
| 12:45.43 | mckenziemc | do you copy Bibi? ;) |
| 12:46.01 | Bibi | mckenziemc |
| 12:46.03 | Bibi | chaud is on quakenet |
| 12:46.05 | Bibi | have fun with him |
| 12:46.20 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 12:46.59 | karl_w_w | "Steady Hands now requires you to disarm 2 seaforium charges in a single battle, down from 5." <- why dont they nerf things before I do them? :( |
| 12:47.19 | mckenziemc | i'm too lazy to go looking for him now though : / |
| 12:47.29 | mckenziemc | lol karl |
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| 12:52.04 | Fisker | ragnaros is ugly Bibi |
| 12:52.10 | Fisker | however i want a motorola xoom |
| 12:52.47 | mckenziemc | makes a quip containing the words "Fisker" and "ugly" |
| 12:52.56 | airtonix | qqmoar Fisker |
| 12:53.10 | karl_w_w | Fisker pwns ugly bitchez? |
| 12:53.37 | karl_w_w | Fisker is too ugly to own a xoom! |
| 12:54.47 | nevcairiel | that he is indeed |
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| 12:55.02 | Fisker | oh u nevcairiel |
| 12:55.12 | nevcairiel | oh me |
| 12:55.18 | airtonix | and me |
| 12:56.48 | mckenziemc | no airtonix |
| 12:57.36 | airtonix | yes me |
| 12:58.43 | Fisker | no u |
| 12:59.02 | mckenziemc | you stole my line Fisker |
| 12:59.05 | mckenziemc | just as i was typing it :( |
| 13:10.22 | airtonix | deploys baboons |
| 13:12.18 | airtonix | i will destroy you mckenziemc |
| 13:14.24 | mckenziemc | deploys balloons and watches as airtonix melts away |
| 13:15.44 | airtonix | ?!?!??!??!?!?!?! |
| 13:15.47 | airtonix | wut! |
| 13:17.48 | mckenziemc | balloons are your kryptonite |
| 13:17.51 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:18.09 | mckenziemc | and some balloons |
| 13:23.27 | Cide | if mmo-champion didn't fuck up the holy priest changes and they are indeed true |
| 13:23.30 | Cide | WTF |
| 13:23.37 | Bibi | which? |
| 13:23.45 | Cide | holy priests cannot dispel magic |
| 13:23.47 | Bibi | yeah |
| 13:23.48 | Bibi | no |
| 13:23.49 | Bibi | i fixed that. |
| 13:23.55 | airtonix | lawl |
| 13:23.58 | Bibi | and I fucked up. |
| 13:24.01 | Bibi | anything else? :D |
| 13:24.08 | airtonix | disco stu in the house! |
| 13:24.16 | Cide | ah |
| 13:24.21 | Cide | so the change is for shadow |
| 13:24.22 | Bibi | I edited it a while back |
| 13:24.26 | Bibi | yeah |
| 13:24.37 | Cide | seems reasonable otherwise |
| 13:24.45 | Cide | though /sadface is body and soul gets that big a nerf |
| 13:24.59 | Cide | thanks for the clarification |
| 13:25.13 | zenzio | by the way Bibi, that new way of listing old and new values/both tooltips is pretty cool |
| 13:25.26 | karl_w_w | agreed |
| 13:31.19 | Fisker | a |
| 13:31.22 | Cide | b |
| 13:31.23 | mckenziemc | b |
| 13:31.25 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 13:31.26 | Cide | owned |
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| 13:32.59 | mckenziemc | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 13:33.11 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:33.52 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:34.19 | airtonix | destroys mckenziemcfisker |
| 13:34.42 | mckenziemc | McKenzie McFisker? |
| 13:34.42 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi there. |
| 13:36.09 | Jamash | y halo thar |
| 13:36.30 | Fisker | soup doug |
| 13:37.02 | Jamash | HEROIC ZG AMG |
| 13:37.16 | Fisker | noty.jpg |
| 13:37.20 | Jamash | those wily devs |
| 13:37.33 | Cide | Bibi: hi |
| 13:37.38 | Bibi | Cide: hi |
| 13:37.40 | Fisker | very Jamash |
| 13:37.52 | Cide | Bibi: eye of awareness is listed as spell dps |
| 13:38.09 | Bibi | yeah well |
| 13:38.09 | Cide | so is jaws of defeat |
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| 13:38.14 | Bibi | healers can DPS now. |
| 13:38.20 | Cide | that doesn't make any sense :P |
| 13:38.20 | Jamash | no wai |
| 13:38.23 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 13:38.31 | Jamash | smite spec??? |
| 13:38.35 | Fisker | i once were on a boat Cide |
| 13:39.57 | Cide | coolio |
| 13:40.28 | Fisker | baww? |
| 13:41.57 | airtonix | umadbro |
| 13:42.01 | Jamash | new companion achievements :D |
| 13:43.11 | Fisker | kinda sad they haven't adjusted maelstrom crystals |
| 13:43.17 | Fisker | but i guess we get hc epics again though |
| 13:45.01 | Fisker | btw Bibi |
| 13:45.07 | Fisker | why are you omg'ing over bunnies? |
| 13:45.10 | Fisker | They're cute and all |
| 13:45.11 | Fisker | but still |
| 13:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, look. More winter storm warnings. Just... I give up. |
| 13:46.19 | airtonix | i will be your demise |
| 13:46.33 | airtonix | sends more snow warnings |
| 13:46.57 | mckenziemc | you're probably getting the storm that hit us over the weekend |
| 13:47.07 | airtonix | no |
| 13:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, snow I can mostly handle. This sleet and freezing rain. |
| 13:47.15 | airtonix | i live under the arsehole of the sun |
| 13:47.43 | mckenziemc | i'd take that over snow any day |
| 13:47.50 | Jamash | do I behold AOE last stand? |
| 13:48.39 | Cide | they felt heroic chimaeron was too hard so they added that ability |
| 13:48.41 | Cide | ~~~ |
| 13:48.57 | mckenziemc | grants 20% extra health to all mobs within 200 yards of jamash |
| 13:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | No, dude, I can drive in snow. I won't drive in freezing rain. There's no earthly reason to drive in freezing rain. |
| 13:49.35 | Jamash | absorbs 100% of health granted to mobs within 200 yards. |
| 13:53.03 | zenzio | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/50989/arguing-developers - I like the suggestion to "Go next to them and stand there without saying a word." |
| 13:53.38 | mckenziemc | hah |
| 13:55.53 | airtonix | Fisker: your face is leaking |
| 13:56.02 | airtonix | wipe your chin |
| 13:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | I offered to trade my office to one of the IT guys yesterday. I have a huge window. But he can listen to music and wear shorts to work. |
| 14:00.58 | Jamash | shorts + freezing rain = freezing knees |
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| 14:02.01 | airtonix | no |
| 14:02.06 | airtonix | invigorating |
| 14:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | He also parks closer to the building. I can sprint! |
| 14:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | I would give up a LOT to be able to listen to music at work. |
| 14:03.13 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: are you not able to listen to music even with headphones? |
| 14:04.10 | airtonix | zenzio: you can't wear headphones in the salt mines |
| 14:04.16 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 14:04.26 | zenzio | airtonix: always worked for me |
| 14:04.34 | airtonix | zenzio: really!? |
| 14:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Headphones are unprofessional. We get a lot of media and other important visitors in our office suite. |
| 14:04.54 | airtonix | they are trendy |
| 14:04.55 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: then ear plugs, or whatever they're called? |
| 14:04.59 | airtonix | it makes you look uber |
| 14:05.06 | zenzio | paint the wires skin-color |
| 14:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | If wireless earbuds weren't so expensive... |
| 14:05.22 | airtonix | this is why i always recommend a nueral shunt |
| 14:06.34 | Jamash | I recommend a spelling checker HEYOOOO |
| 14:06.45 | airtonix | i recomend your face |
| 14:07.03 | airtonix | i mean |
| 14:07.07 | zenzio | I recommend your mom |
| 14:07.21 | airtonix | profit |
| 14:07.30 | zenzio | curses, foiled |
| 14:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | again |
| 14:09.09 | Jamash | and he'd have gotten away with it, too |
| 14:10.22 | zenzio | if it weren't for you kids and that dog |
| 14:11.47 | *** part/#wowuidev tyconnell (~tyconnell@dsl027-170-162.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:13.06 | Kraps | "Patch 4.1 on PTR - Zul'aman and Zul'gurub are back!" |
| 14:13.08 | Kraps | lul |
| 14:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | ... Yaaaay! |
| 14:14.00 | Jamash | 5-mans Kraps |
| 14:14.39 | airtonix | kinky |
| 14:14.51 | airtonix | geeeet yer tickets to the Jamashkrap orgy |
| 14:14.55 | airtonix | 10$ a pop |
| 14:15.17 | Jamash | bans airtonix's account for RMT |
| 14:15.24 | airtonix | :< |
| 14:17.57 | Kraps | Power Word: Shield now costs 34% of base mana, up from 25%. Now lasts 15 sec, down from 30 sec. |
| 14:18.02 | Kraps | WHYWHYWHY |
| 14:19.01 | Wobin | cause they hate disc priests |
| 14:19.26 | zenzio | man, that'll completely change my whole disc alt rotation |
| 14:20.21 | Jamash | I don't like it |
| 14:20.55 | Wobin | it makes me sad |
| 14:21.03 | Jamash | why even have absorption mastery if we're not supposed to use it |
| 14:21.15 | Wobin | Cause with a healing spec based on absoption, why give us any opportunity to use it! |
| 14:21.21 | Wobin | I suspect that it was 'too powerful' in pvp |
| 14:21.24 | Wobin | so they nerfed it |
| 14:21.37 | zenzio | just nerf it for PvP, leave it for PvE... |
| 14:21.51 | Wobin | how do you determine that? |
| 14:22.02 | zenzio | they've done it for other abilities |
| 14:22.11 | Wobin | not healing ones |
| 14:22.14 | Jamash | make PW:S dispellable? OH WAIT |
| 14:22.35 | Fisker | me airtonix |
| 14:22.36 | Fisker | me |
| 14:22.47 | Wobin | I guess you could say "If you're pvp flagged, then do <alternate spell>" |
| 14:23.12 | Wobin | I can't think of any other way to determine if it's pvp only |
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| 14:23.36 | zenzio | "if you or your target", sounds easy enough to me. But then I don't PvP, so I may be missing some intricacy about details |
| 14:23.40 | Jamash | if <in an arena or rated bg then X else Y> is their standard method |
| 14:23.48 | Wobin | Jamash: doesn't cover world pvp |
| 14:23.48 | airtonix | sells tickets to FiskerOnFisker |
| 14:23.50 | Wobin | but the flag would |
| 14:23.56 | Jamash | nobody cares about world pvp |
| 14:24.00 | Wobin | zenzio: you and your target? |
| 14:24.20 | Kraps | why are they continuing to make pws less viable, its a main disc spell! |
| 14:24.22 | Wobin | how do you differentiate between pvp and pve then? |
| 14:24.35 | zenzio | Wobin: I said "or" |
| 14:24.38 | Wobin | Kraps: I know =( |
| 14:24.58 | Jamash | uh, pvp server, hi |
| 14:25.00 | Wobin | zenzio: ... sorry. "If you or your target".. what? |
| 14:25.02 | Fisker | damn priest whiners |
| 14:25.05 | Jamash | always flagged |
| 14:25.13 | Wobin | Jamash: that's your problem =P |
| 14:25.20 | Wobin | you rolled on a pvp server, LIVE THE LIFE |
| 14:25.25 | zenzio | see, I don't give a shit about PvP servers |
| 14:25.29 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 14:25.47 | Kraps | i will kill you Fisker |
| 14:26.00 | Wobin | Then again... |
| 14:26.13 | Wobin | if you're tank healing, when on earth does a shield last 30seconds? |
| 14:26.46 | Fisker | i'm gonna shave you Kraps |
| 14:26.47 | Jamash | it isn't a tank healing nerf, it's a group healing nerf |
| 14:26.52 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:26.53 | zenzio | I used PW:S on myself constantly while soloing on my disc priest |
| 14:26.53 | Jamash | and a self-healing nerf |
| 14:27.13 | Wobin | you'll just have to train of thought yourself |
| 14:27.21 | Wobin | to reduce weakened soul |
| 14:27.56 | Wobin | I use PW:S as a interrupt reducer for casting |
| 14:28.09 | Jamash | of course |
| 14:28.15 | Wobin | meh |
| 14:28.18 | Cide | people play disc? |
| 14:28.26 | Wobin | Disc healing is just being driven into the ground |
| 14:28.26 | Jamash | quiet you |
| 14:28.31 | karl_w_w | what's the worst part about eating a vegetable? |
| 14:28.33 | Wobin | I refuse to heal Holy =P |
| 14:28.35 | karl_w_w | the wheelchair |
| 14:28.39 | Wobin | it's so goddamn boring |
| 14:28.45 | Cide | what |
| 14:28.51 | Cide | it's 10x more dynamic than disc is |
| 14:29.08 | Wobin | show your metric =P |
| 14:29.27 | airtonix | lolumadbro |
| 14:29.31 | Cide | metric as in |
| 14:29.33 | airtonix | :< |
| 14:29.37 | Wobin | 10x |
| 14:29.42 | Wobin | what is 1x dynamic |
| 14:29.48 | Wobin | therefore, how does Holy = 10x |
| 14:29.51 | Cide | "as dynamic" |
| 14:30.00 | Wobin | well you said, "more dynamic" |
| 14:30.11 | Wobin | but you still need to define your metric |
| 14:30.12 | Cide | fine |
| 14:30.21 | Cide | more varied healing options |
| 14:30.24 | Cide | more viable spells |
| 14:30.27 | Cide | more interesting spells |
| 14:30.35 | zenzio | well, if disc is this | | dynamic, holy is this | | dynamic |
| 14:30.46 | Wobin | that's not 10x, zenzio |
| 14:30.55 | zenzio | it is in monospace |
| 14:31.01 | Wobin | hahah |
| 14:31.16 | Wobin | In any case |
| 14:31.21 | Wobin | why have disc at all? |
| 14:31.28 | Wobin | why not just give us two trees |
| 14:31.32 | Wobin | DPS and Healing |
| 14:31.38 | Kraps | [09:30:33]<Cide>more varied healing options <---- this is correct, which is why all the nerfs to pws are making disc nigh unplayable |
| 14:31.41 | Cide | disc is different but worse |
| 14:31.57 | Wobin | with the nerfs, it's just irritating |
| 14:32.07 | Wobin | and really, the last thing I want is for Holy to be nerfed to match Disc |
| 14:32.12 | Cide | as disc you basically have what |
| 14:32.20 | Jamash | penance and shield |
| 14:32.21 | Cide | shield, penance, and crappy healing spells |
| 14:32.28 | Jamash | and smite |
| 14:32.28 | Kraps | i actually like disc's simplicity |
| 14:32.33 | Wobin | I like smite |
| 14:33.04 | Wobin | I wish it didn't take so long to build up a full stack, though |
| 14:33.16 | Fisker | sex airtonix |
| 14:33.17 | Wobin | but the mechanic is cool |
| 14:33.21 | Jamash | so here's blizzard's strategy: Holy used to be all about spamming circle of healing, so they gave Holy a bunch of new awesome tools |
| 14:33.35 | Kraps | but in wotlk disc seemed to be built _around_ pws, which is the way it should be |
| 14:33.36 | Jamash | Disc used to be all about spamming PW:S, so they... nerfed PW:S |
| 14:33.38 | Wobin | And disc was all about spamming shields |
| 14:33.42 | Wobin | so they made it more expensive |
| 14:33.53 | Jamash | where are disc's awesome new tools? |
| 14:34.01 | Jamash | one spell on a 2min cooldown? |
| 14:34.02 | Wobin | PW:B |
| 14:34.08 | Wobin | TADA! |
| 14:34.15 | Wobin | and pain supression on 3min |
| 14:34.19 | Jamash | wow |
| 14:34.24 | Jamash | that's so good |
| 14:34.54 | Wobin | They need to expand Disc's spells into a awesome toolkit like Holy |
| 14:34.54 | Cide | told you holy is better |
| 14:35.03 | Wobin | Cide: I -know- it is. |
| 14:35.04 | Cide | I don't see how disc is more fun either |
| 14:35.10 | Cide | I mean you have like 3 spells |
| 14:35.14 | Wobin | It's a different method of healing |
| 14:35.17 | Jamash | because it was proactive, instead of reactive |
| 14:35.21 | Kraps | ^ |
| 14:35.22 | Cide | but it no longer is |
| 14:35.25 | Jamash | I see damage coming in, I shield in advance |
| 14:35.26 | zenzio | I could never play a holy priest, I'm an atheist |
| 14:35.52 | zenzio | though I guess I could've dropped the "holy" and the sentence would still make sense |
| 14:35.53 | Cide | now you absorb like half the damage of one spell yeah? |
| 14:36.06 | Wobin | my shield absorbs 27k or so |
| 14:36.17 | Cide | not too bad I suppose |
| 14:36.17 | Wobin | and now costs even more, for less time |
| 14:36.28 | Cide | well that's preliminary |
| 14:36.49 | Jamash | I wish they'd tell us what they're trying to accomplish with these nerfs |
| 14:36.54 | Wobin | true, it's not on live... yet |
| 14:36.59 | Kraps | disc is like a tower defense game, but funner |
| 14:37.00 | Cide | trying to get you to use other spells I think |
| 14:37.01 | Thunder_Child | zenzio: you can be a priest of anything |
| 14:37.08 | Thunder_Child | doesnt have to be about gods |
| 14:37.08 | Wobin | maybe they'll actually listen to the ptr reports |
| 14:37.15 | Cide | they want shield to be powerful but with great power comes great ... mana costs |
| 14:37.20 | Jamash | fine, take penance off cooldown |
| 14:37.22 | Wobin | instead of WAITING TIL IT'S LIVE BEFORE MAKING A DECSION |
| 14:37.25 | Cide | rofl what? |
| 14:37.30 | Cide | penance off cooldown would be insane |
| 14:37.38 | Kraps | Cide: you said it yourself, there are no other spells |
| 14:37.45 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: hm... you could be right, I never actually looked into the definition of the word. Interesting point :) |
| 14:37.53 | Cide | they will have to either introduce more spells or make Heal more powerful for you |
| 14:37.59 | Cide | since it can reduce PWS cooldown that can be useful |
| 14:38.05 | Cide | but it just heals for so little for disc as far as I understand it |
| 14:38.21 | Wobin | We can't really afford to spam PW:S anyway |
| 14:38.32 | Jamash | reducing the reliance on shield would be one thing if there was some form of compensation in increased direct healing |
| 14:38.34 | Wobin | we generally have to wait 12sec between casts |
| 14:38.43 | Jamash | but so far it's been nothing but nerf after nerf after nerf |
| 14:38.45 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins don't think that the Light has anything really to do with religion, it's more about... philosophy for them. |
| 14:38.47 | Cide | you don't get free shields with rapture anymore? |
| 14:38.50 | Cide | or whatever it's called |
| 14:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | Holy rusted metal, Batman. |
| 14:38.58 | Wobin | nope, rapture got nerfed into the ground |
| 14:39.05 | Wobin | every 12seconds only |
| 14:39.08 | Wobin | one shield |
| 14:39.39 | Wobin | I shudder to think of the mana required to have rapture be worth the shield =( |
| 14:40.53 | Wobin | well, where 6% of max mana has to equal 30% of base mana, I guess |
| 14:41.17 | Wobin | no idea what base mana at 85 is, nowadays |
| 14:42.08 | Jamash | 20590 according to wowpedia |
| 14:42.31 | zenzio | that's nonsense, my warrior still has 0 mana |
| 14:42.50 | Jamash | class dependent derp derp derp |
| 14:42.59 | Wobin | so you need 102,950 mana to break even |
| 14:43.28 | Jamash | time to roll a gnome priest |
| 14:43.31 | Wobin | which is probably... 35x gear all around? |
| 14:43.42 | Wobin | I forget the ilvls |
| 14:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | I am in LOVE with my Peppy Priestess! |
| 14:47.01 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Q_1IdCFkU&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:47.52 | Wobin | I'm looking forward to this movie |
| 14:49.04 | Jamash | I'm looking forward to it being bad |
| 14:49.13 | Wobin | haha we are not prepared |
| 14:49.20 | Jamash | thx illidan |
| 14:49.23 | Wobin | I don't want to be disappointed with it |
| 14:49.37 | Wobin | but I don't know how they'll pack all the trailer suggests into the movie |
| 14:50.19 | Kraps | "I'm all for a good eyegasm, and Sucker Punch seems to have the makings of an ocular good time: dragons and robots and samurais and zeppelins and big-ass guns and pretty girls. All of those are wonderful thingsâI've seen movies on the strength of just one of 'em." |
| 14:50.36 | Kraps | thats all that needs to be said |
| 14:51.45 | Wobin | true |
| 14:51.45 | Wobin | I saw Spawn, just for the cloak |
| 14:53.42 | Jamash | "You will need to find 5 items: A map, fire, a knife, a key, and a MYSTERY" |
| 14:53.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@5ada2ba6.bb.sky.com) |
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| 14:54.09 | Jamash | Sucker Punch is the world's first hundred-million dollar budget text adventure |
| 14:54.21 | Wobin | but darling, that's 6 things |
| 14:54.46 | Wobin | sorry, kinder suprise flashback |
| 14:54.51 | Jamash | > LOOK |
| 14:55.00 | Jamash | You see a giant robot samurai. |
| 14:55.07 | Jamash | > EXAMINE SAMURAI |
| 14:55.19 | Jamash | It is made of CGI. It looks very expensive. |
| 14:55.22 | mckenziemc | You see your guts haning out |
| 14:55.50 | mckenziemc | hanging* |
| 14:59.45 | Kraps | Just as the robot samurai is about to kill you, a hot chick does a running jump and slams her fist into the robots face. You dont understand what just happened BUT IT WAS AWESOME, |
| 15:00.03 | Lopeppeppy | Always is, when a hot chick saves you. |
| 15:00.25 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:04.58 | zenzio | "The other thing I've really learned is to not be afraid of what I call "Jenga" code (spaghetti code). In the game of Jenga, pieces are taken out of the tower until its so unstable you don't want to touch it. Some source code becomes this "unstable" tower that nobody wants to touch." |
| 15:05.56 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy Kraps |
| 15:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | When I find Jenga crap, I blow it up. Start over, it's the onl;y way to be sure. |
| 15:06.45 | zenzio | aye |
| 15:07.31 | mckenziemc | Fiskerdin |
| 15:08.25 | Kraps | http://www.gamepolitics.com/2011/02/23/ftc-look-free-play |
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| 15:20.03 | Ackis | so I downed all of BWD in one night last night... went from 2/6 to 6/6 and 0/x in the other two still... how pro am I? |
| 15:24.48 | Cide | so you killed 4 bosses for the first time? |
| 15:24.52 | Cide | or rather |
| 15:24.55 | Cide | your whole group did? |
| 15:24.57 | Cide | or were you carried |
| 15:25.08 | Ackis | I don't think I was carried |
| 15:25.15 | Cide | but your group had killed them before |
| 15:25.41 | Ackis | yeah |
| 15:25.45 | Cide | CARRIED |
| 15:25.46 | Ackis | they had one nef kill already |
| 15:26.20 | airtonix | lawl |
| 15:27.01 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:27.11 | Ackis | I only messed up once all night actually |
| 15:27.24 | Ackis | apparently I didn't know how to find my NE pillar and went to the south one |
| 15:27.35 | Ackis | I did some wicked healing there... too bad I was at the wrong one |
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| 15:34.11 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:34.45 | mckenziemc | Fiskeris |
| 15:36.58 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:37.31 | mckenziemc | Fiskeritis |
| 15:43.22 | Dagmar | With your help, a cure will be found... |
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| 15:46.09 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 15:46.15 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:46.20 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 15:47.35 | Ackis | so any advice on heroic halfus? |
| 15:49.27 | mckenziemc | wipe |
| 15:49.41 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 15:49.49 | Ackis | I do that after I poop |
| 15:49.52 | airtonix | mckenziemc: |
| 15:50.07 | Ackis | the fight is the same as non-heroic I thought? just 5 dargons instead of 3? |
| 15:50.10 | airtonix | make me a python function that smooths the corners of a line graph |
| 15:50.33 | mckenziemc | def airtonixs_function: |
| 15:50.33 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.38 | airtonix | :< |
| 15:50.50 | airtonix | i will hunt you down |
| 15:51.57 | Dagmar | needs moar splines |
| 15:52.15 | airtonix | i hate maths |
| 15:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/ Pretty.... |
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| 15:53.32 | Dagmar | You can just churn out craploads of charcoal tho |
| 15:53.37 | mckenziemc | heh i don't even have flash installed |
| 15:55.54 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 15:55.56 | Fisker | i will kill you |
| 15:55.58 | Fisker | for free |
| 15:55.58 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:56.04 | Ackis | amg 100 and 125 mini-pet achievements /boner |
| 15:56.07 | Ackis | boners Fisker |
| 15:57.19 | Fisker | umad Ackis |
| 15:57.23 | Fisker | UMADBRO |
| 15:57.30 | Ackis | no |
| 15:57.31 | Ackis | excited |
| 15:57.43 | Fisker | um.ad |
| 15:57.45 | Ackis | this guy is mad: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2735-im-mad-like-for-real/ |
| 15:57.47 | Fisker | umadb.ro |
| 15:57.49 | Fisker | maaaaad |
| 15:58.42 | Ackis | Bibi: did you know ZG and ZA are coming back? |
| 15:59.56 | Fisker | kicks Ackis into broken concrete |
| 16:00.03 | Fisker | i.e. concrete with support beams sticking out |
| 16:00.12 | Fisker | or whatever it's called |
| 16:00.33 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/#!5768421/the-first-spectacular-gameplay-trailer-for-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim |
| 16:01.15 | Kraps | i dont really care about this game but its a big deal i guess |
| 16:04.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 16:04.59 | Lunessa | statiom |
| 16:05.06 | Lunessa | er, station even |
| 16:05.21 | Ackis | any users of atlasloot here? |
| 16:05.49 | Ackis | hi Lunessa |
| 16:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:17.11 | Ackis | which event is it once you can control your toon? |
| 16:17.17 | Ackis | event is fired |
| 16:17.23 | Ackis | I speak gud english |
| 16:18.11 | Xinhuan | control toon? |
| 16:18.16 | Xinhuan | P_E_W probably |
| 16:19.22 | Ackis | so if I want to throttle something so that loading into wow is a bit quicker (ie: my function calls are expensive and take a lot of time to do to build a db) I can do it with P_E_W? |
| 16:23.34 | Fisker | i got memory nevcairiel |
| 16:23.58 | Xinhuan | you could just use an OnUpdate Ackis |
| 16:24.08 | Xinhuan | and do parts of your init every frame |
| 16:24.19 | Xinhuan | if you can't break it up nicely, maybe use coroutines |
| 16:24.24 | Xinhuan | with that |
| 16:25.06 | Ackis | hmmm ok thanks Xinhuan |
| 16:25.08 | zenzelezz | if your character is in town, wait for the first chat message with "gold" in it; that usually just takes a few seconds |
| 16:25.32 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:25.39 | Ackis | not if you use badboy |
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| 16:25.49 | zenzelezz | the message still arrives |
| 16:26.14 | Ackis | not in my mind :D |
| 16:27.01 | Ackis | I still need to update Alttabber so it works with pvp queus |
| 16:27.03 | Ackis | *queues |
| 16:27.41 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
| 16:28.06 | Ackis | basically plays a noise when there's a ready check, LFG pop, pvp queue pop, etc when you have sound disabled |
| 16:28.15 | Ackis | @describe alttab |
| 16:28.16 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/alttab/. AltTabber. Plays a noise when you're alt-tabbed for a ready check and pvp queues (even when sound is turned off). Also plays noise when... |
| 16:28.33 | Ackis | ~framexml |
| 16:28.33 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, framexml is Export code art from the client by using the console commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art"; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 16:29.51 | Ackis | !api PlaySoundFile |
| 16:29.51 | lua_bot | PlaySoundFile: Plays an audio file at a given path (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/PlaySoundFile) |
| 16:29.56 | zenzelezz | how can it play a noise if you have sound disabled? |
| 16:30.31 | Ackis | it's just a simple override so that when those events happen, it uses PlaySoundFile with Master as an option |
| 16:31.52 | zenzelezz | interesting |
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| 16:32.11 | Ackis | I wrote it back when I was in team ice and people would tab out during wipes |
| 16:32.24 | Ackis | people actually used it other than my guild and wanted it extended |
| 16:32.37 | Ackis | PlaySoundFIle was "broken" up until 4.0.6 so I didn't give it any love |
| 16:32.58 | foxlit | Hm, that reminds me of an addon I should update |
| 16:38.39 | TC-Work | god i hate apple |
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| 16:45.59 | ckknight|2 | TC-Work: how come this time? |
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| 16:46.54 | TC-Work | ckknight: because their practices are garbage, and i still just bought a new mackbook pro. |
| 16:47.09 | ckknight | ha |
| 16:47.44 | foxlit | you just bought a macbook pro? |
| 16:47.46 | foxlit | aw! |
| 16:48.03 | TC-Work | the new ones just came out tofay |
| 16:48.06 | TC-Work | today* |
| 16:48.39 | TC-Work | would have been nice if they added in a blue-ray drive |
| 16:56.37 | Dagmar | Probably not |
| 16:57.03 | Dagmar | Give it six months and they'll find a way to require them to downscale the resolution during playback because Sony didn't make it |
| 16:58.13 | TC-Work | heh |
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| 16:59.28 | alestane | There we go. Colloquy on my phone is refusing to connect to freenode today for some reason. |
| 17:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | freenode has been cranky today. |
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| 17:13.37 | alestane | I don't grasp how freenode's web client is supposed to handle conversation tabs/rooms. |
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| 17:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is it supposed to? |
| 17:18.30 | alestane | Since someone else just PM'd me, it seems so. |
| 17:21.54 | alestane | But it won't let me open tabs except by receiving PMs, or if it will, I haven't figured out how. |
| 17:22.16 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.21 | Cide | BACK |
| 17:22.53 | karl_w_w | www.mibbit.com |
| 17:23.30 | Fisker | you will be destroy Lopeppeppy |
| 17:23.32 | Fisker | ed |
| 17:23.45 | durcyn | freenode's still not allowing third party webchat clients last i checked, karl_w_w |
| 17:24.03 | karl_w_w | oh yeah thats right |
| 17:24.46 | Cide | mibbit via proxy imo |
| 17:24.58 | Cide | can you do mibbit via bnc? |
| 17:25.31 | nevcairiel | will probably confuse the hell out of mibbit, but i dont see why not |
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| 17:25.59 | Cide | though I suppose you could at that point just switch to freenode's webchat |
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| 17:26.03 | Cide | even though it annoys me |
| 17:26.21 | alestane | That's right. It works, but for some reason the menu command is called "query". |
| 17:26.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. It's query in Trillian too. |
| 17:26.45 | kww | because that's what it's called in irc :P |
| 17:27.17 | nevcairiel | is there no proper server-side based webchat, like with the connection being made in the backend, and some ajaxy web thing on top of that. that would also allow me to use it at work, because firewall doesnt let me irc :P |
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| 17:32.10 | Ackis | americans are weird... hollow point bullets are banned from military use because they're inhumane, however you've manufactured them so you can kill gophers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8 |
| 17:32.16 | Ackis | video may be NSFW |
| 17:32.26 | Ackis | it shows the bullet being used on said gophers |
| 17:32.30 | nevcairiel | gophers are not humans, so inhumane does not count |
| 17:32.44 | alestane | The Humane Society might argue that point. |
| 17:33.00 | cogwheel | Fisker: ! |
| 17:33.15 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: http://www.jibble.org/jbouncer/ ? |
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| 17:33.39 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 17:33.48 | sylvanaar_work | have you guys tried http://scribe.googlelabs.com/ |
| 17:33.52 | Fisker | i got 44GB of RAM |
| 17:33.57 | Fisker | what the fuck are you going to do? |
| 17:34.05 | cogwheel | play minecraft |
| 17:34.07 | karl_w_w | call the cops, you thief |
| 17:34.12 | sylvanaar_work | its fun to just keep accepting the #1 recommendation and see what sentances it makes |
| 17:35.20 | Kraps | "they are found in all eukaryotic expression and gene have the knowledge value estimate should not go for the jugular" |
| 17:35.53 | sylvanaar_work | scribe make that? |
| 17:35.56 | nevcairiel | world of warcraft gold guide vendors weath on wealth blizzard ban your account for the observed differences in the way of the future of the world's largest international multimedia news agency, providing investing news, world news |
| 17:36.04 | nevcairiel | start with world of warcraft, and next word is gold |
| 17:36.07 | nevcairiel | of course :P |
| 17:36.19 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, its pretty entertaining |
| 17:36.43 | Kraps | yeah sylvanaar_work |
| 17:36.48 | sylvanaar_work | its like listening to the hybrids talk in BSG |
| 17:37.06 | karl_w_w | "see all results in songs titles for sale by its owner under a lease agreement" |
| 17:37.09 | sylvanaar_work | ...maybe there is a hidden message... |
| 17:37.11 | nevcairiel | nah, the hybrids have some kind of sense in them |
| 17:37.49 | sylvanaar_work | yeah they did, i had fun picking the hybrid babble apart |
| 17:38.22 | nevcairiel | just finished rewatching the bsg remake two weeks ago or so |
| 17:38.46 | nevcairiel | first time i watched it begin-to-end without some 6 month interruptions all the time, was great |
| 17:38.57 | sylvanaar_work | im rewatching the series also, for like the 8th time |
| 17:39.57 | sylvanaar_work | 2.5 and 4.5 both kinda got a little lost |
| 17:41.18 | sylvanaar_work | do you have favorite episodes nevcairiel? |
| 17:41.34 | nevcairiel | Right now i'm watching Doctor Who (only the "new" version as of 2005), dunno how that series escaped me until now, the first 4 seasons were great, not much of a fan of the 5th so far :( |
| 17:41.45 | nevcairiel | I havent watched it often enough to name individual eps |
| 17:42.14 | sylvanaar_work | dr who with david tennet is good, i hate the other 2 doctors |
| 17:42.26 | sylvanaar_work | especially the new one |
| 17:42.32 | nevcairiel | the first doctor was ok, but david tennant was just awesome |
| 17:42.37 | nevcairiel | the new one is meh |
| 17:43.01 | nevcairiel | feels like a cheap copy of the idea |
| 17:43.22 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i stopped watching when he was replaced. he made the show for me |
| 17:44.58 | Dagmar | Just wait until River Song takes over |
| 17:45.02 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 17:45.05 | sylvanaar_work | well, my favorite bsg epis are eye of jupiter (where they find the temple of the 5), and Faith (where they find the rebel cylon basestar and talk to the hybrid) |
| 17:45.10 | Fisker | i will kick you into an electric fence |
| 17:45.26 | foxlit | Fez! |
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| 17:46.10 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWYw0CnuSI << hilarious, really. |
| 17:46.15 | Dagmar | You couldn't necessarily determine quickly if n!u@h was an op or not, because you'd be running a lookup against hundreds of wildcards, and the CPU power was not like it was now |
| 17:46.18 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 17:47.12 | sylvanaar_work | are you in #8bitcpuusers too? |
| 17:47.40 | Derabo | is there a way to align the text in a editbox? |
| 17:48.04 | sylvanaar_work | a multiline editbox? |
| 17:48.18 | Derabo | yes |
| 17:48.45 | sylvanaar_work | afaik its 1 fontstring, so no |
| 17:48.53 | Derabo | hmmm ok. thanks |
| 17:49.20 | sylvanaar_work | not without hacking at least |
| 17:49.26 | Kraps | Dagmar: you seem to be "wrong chan"ing a lot recently |
| 17:49.34 | Dagmar | Not enough caffiene |
| 17:50.03 | sylvanaar_work | i managed to split the chatframe into 2 sets of fontstrings so i could align the timestamps separately from the text |
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| 17:50.38 | sylvanaar_work | it was neat, but not very practical |
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| 17:55.42 | Fisker | Tuller |
| 17:55.46 | Fisker | why don't i hate you? |
| 17:56.44 | Kraps | hey the official notes only have " * Power Word: Shield duration has been reduced to 15 seconds, down from 30." |
| 17:59.59 | karl_w_w | break yourselves upon my body |
| 18:00.40 | Tuller | Fisker: because I make waffles with a george foreman |
| 18:00.47 | Kraps | i still like "BURN! BURN IN THE MAKER'S FIRE!" best |
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| 18:07.55 | Kraps | the superhero skits this guy does are amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adW46gsMTXM&feature=related |
| 18:08.52 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seBpXt8_6xs |
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| 18:14.51 | Fisker | nope Tuller |
| 18:14.54 | Fisker | that isn't why |
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| 18:21.24 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman#Complete_list |
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| 18:41.49 | Lunessa | like, you know, station. Man. |
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| 18:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Word. |
| 18:48.13 | mckenziemc | Sentence. |
| 18:50.39 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, why do you keep making me dinner? And not telling me what species of dinner it is? Rainbrow or brook? |
| 18:52.50 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 18:53.40 | mckenziemc | don't be so sure |
| 18:54.04 | Derabo | does anyone know, why I'm getting a "attempt to index globals 'sCheckDB' (a vil value)" error? |
| 18:54.05 | Derabo | http://pastebin.com/tmt9bcQv |
| 18:54.23 | Cide | on what line silly |
| 18:54.33 | Derabo | oh sorry. line 23 |
| 18:54.38 | Fisker | i would almost buy C&C 4 Cide |
| 18:54.43 | Derabo | my savedVariables exist in the WTF folder |
| 18:54.46 | Cide | because you're setting it when your addon is completely loaded |
| 18:54.54 | ckknight | Derabo: it doesn't exist yet. |
| 18:54.56 | Cide | but the code below is run before it is completely loaded |
| 18:55.01 | ckknight | saved variables only start to exist once ADDON_LOADED occurs |
| 18:55.05 | Fisker | sup ckknight |
| 18:55.17 | ckknight | Fisker: you never gave me real feedback wrt my game idea |
| 18:55.18 | ckknight | :P |
| 18:55.31 | Derabo | I create the frame inside the ADDON_LOADED event. so shouldnt it be... loaded? |
| 18:55.49 | Cide | you don't create the frame inside ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:55.50 | ckknight | no you don't, Derabo |
| 18:55.54 | Cide | you create it at the very top of the file |
| 18:55.55 | ckknight | you create it in the root file |
| 18:55.58 | ckknight | :P |
| 18:56.28 | Fisker | i'm not a fan of browser games |
| 18:56.40 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 18:56.49 | Derabo | nah Im talking about the frame that uses the savedvariables. sCheck |
| 18:56.57 | ckknight | right |
| 18:56.59 | Derabo | scf is just to register the Loaded event |
| 18:57.03 | ckknight | and you access sCheckDB in the root of the file. |
| 18:57.06 | ckknight | which you shouldn't |
| 18:57.09 | ckknight | you'll need to postpone that. |
| 18:57.53 | Derabo | hmmm I create 'sCheck' inside of the OnEvent-block. |
| 18:58.01 | Derabo | so shouldnt it get the variables? |
| 18:58.30 | Cide | it seems like you're missing something |
| 18:58.33 | ckknight | that OnEvent block will be called multiple times. |
| 18:58.46 | ckknight | Cide: he's right in that he creates the frame in the OnEvent. |
| 18:58.58 | Cide | how is he right about that |
| 18:59.04 | Cide | oh, sCheck |
| 18:59.07 | ckknight | he didn't end out of the function |
| 18:59.18 | Cide | confusing one space indentation |
| 18:59.23 | Cide | that then ends |
| 18:59.30 | ckknight | yeah |
| 18:59.39 | Derabo | yeah sorry about that. its because of my silly copy and pasting |
| 18:59.45 | ckknight | Derabo: move your frame creation into the if statement. |
| 18:59.46 | Cide | what ckknight is right |
| 18:59.55 | Cide | the event will run for all loaded addons |
| 19:00.06 | Derabo | oh.... i know what you mean. |
| 19:00.11 | Derabo | let me try :) |
| 19:00.12 | Cide | but you only create sCheckDB for your own addon, so if another addon loads before yours.. |
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| 19:01.05 | alestane | Typically, start your add-on off at the very top of the file with "local addonName = ...", and your event handler with "if (...) == addonName then" |
| 19:01.48 | Fisker | alestane |
| 19:01.49 | Fisker | me |
| 19:01.50 | Fisker | you |
| 19:03.13 | Derabo | seems to work :) thank you |
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| 19:13.50 | kd3|netbook | yay listening to the nasatv feed outside in good weather |
| 19:13.52 | kd3|netbook | it's a good day |
| 19:13.57 | Fisker | nasatv |
| 19:13.59 | Fisker | lol'd kd3|netbook |
| 19:14.03 | Fisker | got me a xoom yet? |
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| 19:18.28 | nevcairiel | The circle that shows under your target, how do you turn that on/off again? |
| 19:19.50 | alestane | In WoW? |
| 19:20.08 | alestane | I don't believe that you do. |
| 19:20.12 | alestane | It just happens. |
| 19:20.59 | nevcairiel | i found the cvar |
| 19:21.00 | Maldivia | there's a ObjectSelectionCircle cvar |
| 19:21.12 | nevcairiel | yeah that works |
| 19:22.03 | Fisker | Maldivia |
| 19:22.05 | Fisker | my xoom |
| 19:22.08 | Fisker | you got it? |
| 19:22.35 | Maldivia | that was yours? sorry, threw that shit out |
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| 19:23.22 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 19:23.24 | Fisker | jerk |
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| 19:28.13 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:28.17 | Fisker | damn hastes |
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| 19:29.45 | Arxae | heya :) |
| 19:29.48 | Arxae | quick question :p |
| 19:30.05 | Arxae | is it possible to stop a soundfile while its playing when you use playsoundfile()? |
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| 19:31.11 | Arxae | i know there is StopMusic() but thats only for when you use PlayMusic() right? |
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| 19:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi! Happy WoW people, can you give me Mac specs for running the game at 20+fps in raids? jnwhiteh, didn't you just upgrade your laptop? |
| 19:34.10 | Dagmar | nVidia GTX460, quad core 2.8Ghz CPU, 4Gb RAM, some prayer |
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| 19:34.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I found this in the Mac Tech support... |
| 19:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | Mac OS X 10.5.8 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or later/ 4GB of System Memory /ATI Radeon x1600 or nVidia GeForce 8600GT with 256MB of VRAM or better. |
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| 19:38.08 | Fisker | lol macs Lopeppeppy |
| 19:38.11 | Fisker | in raids |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | lold |
| 19:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure there are plenty of mac laptops in raids, Fisker. |
| 19:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | I have an eye to someday replacing my almost 4 year old laptop. After the dentist and the car replacement... but still. |
| 19:39.09 | nevcairiel | laptops in raids, lol |
| 19:39.12 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 19:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh jeez, you guys are just evil. |
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| 19:41.52 | kd3|netbook | mm... 70f/21c with a light breeze |
| 19:42.06 | kd3|netbook | now all we need is another round of snow to kill everything that's started blooming |
| 19:42.07 | alestane | Sounds lovely, kd3. |
| 19:42.28 | kd3|netbook | I'm tempted to skip my next class |
| 19:43.11 | alestane | I was walking around the Smithsonian on Saturday, sunny as all get out but also incredibly windy. Was fairly nice as long as you didn't get caught in a flying cloud of sand. |
| 19:45.29 | Dagmar | ...or bureacracy. |
| 19:46.32 | Dagmar | I'll draw something... Gimme about ten minutes |
| 19:46.39 | Dagmar | wrong chan @#$!@ |
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| 19:53.47 | Cide | sounds kinky |
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| 20:00.09 | Fisker | Cide |
| 20:00.12 | Fisker | i did something bad |
| 20:00.33 | Fisker | you're replacing your dentist Lopeppeppy? |
| 20:00.42 | Fisker | With what type of cloning technology? |
| 20:01.31 | Arxae | got a question :3 is there a way to limit the amount of sounds played by playsoundfile? as in, i want my addon to only allow to play another sound when the previous one is finished |
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| 20:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Fisker. I need one who believes in use of numbing medications other than novacaine. |
| 20:04.29 | Fisker | when you've cloned a new dentist are you going to tatoo barcodes on the back of his or her head? |
| 20:05.47 | alestane | One day the produce's genetic engineering will include natural-pigment barcodes grown directly into its skin. |
| 20:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think that's necessary, Fisker. I will recognize my genetic handiwork. |
| 20:06.15 | Fisker | i wish alestane |
| 20:06.23 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:06.33 | Fisker | so you're not going to make like this secret agency of super dentists? |
| 20:07.03 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 20:07.04 | Fisker | you there? |
| 20:07.26 | mckenziemc | no |
| 20:07.35 | Fisker | btw mckenziemc |
| 20:07.37 | Fisker | you jnwhiteh ? |
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| 20:08.14 | Ackis | http://www.bettiedidit.com/bettiediditweb/07funnycutejpg/2009set23big%20girl%20panties%204x4.jpg |
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| 20:10.09 | cogwheel | ~seen legorol |
| 20:10.18 | purl | legorol <~legorol.s@cpc8-sgyl28-2-0-cust43.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15d 21h 16m 31s ago, saying: 'nicoli_s: nice'. |
| 20:10.30 | mckenziemc | no, but he isn't here |
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| 20:12.41 | Arxae | got a question :3 is there a way to limit the amount of sounds played by playsoundfile? as in, i want my addon to only allow to play another sound when the previous one is finished :p |
| 20:13.29 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 20:13.37 | Fisker | apple is the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 20:13.47 | kd3|netbook | you're just now figuring this out? |
| 20:14.04 | kd3|netbook | Arxae, not that I'm aware of |
| 20:14.30 | karl_w_w | Arxae: by timing it and knowing the length of the sound file you're playing |
| 20:14.49 | Arxae | and there is no function to return the length |
| 20:14.51 | Arxae | dang |
| 20:14.59 | Arxae | ah well :3 now i can stop looking for it xD |
| 20:15.39 | Lunessa | kd3|netbook: I thought Microsoft was the reason we couldn't have nice things. |
| 20:15.54 | Nobgul | I blame Fisker |
| 20:15.55 | kd3|netbook | I typically blame the mafiaa |
| 20:16.06 | Lopeppeppy | They're still making fun of me for wanting to spec a mac laptop for someday. :P |
| 20:16.08 | Lunessa | I blame my non-existent kids. |
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| 20:16.50 | Nobgul | I am saving up for a macbook =P |
| 20:17.00 | Lunessa | They're putting out new MacBook Pro models with Thunderbolt |
| 20:17.34 | Nobgul | It will be a long while before I have the funds to get one. But I eventually will. |
| 20:18.18 | alestane | "Thunderbolt"? |
| 20:18.38 | Ackis | look what I'm buying: http://store.steampowered.com/app/47700/ |
| 20:18.40 | alestane | Is that a hardware or software tech? |
| 20:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | New models were announced today, in fact. |
| 20:20.26 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/3485051891 |
| 20:20.35 | Nobgul | Its hardware the i/o i think i read |
| 20:20.57 | Ackis | we need a bot that kicks/bans people when they link garfieldminusgarfield.net :P |
| 20:22.10 | karl_w_w | Arxae: I'd do something like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/146487 |
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| 20:23.46 | Jamash | What Ackis said |
| 20:23.49 | karl_w_w | garfieldminusgarfield is about the most pointless thing ive ever seen |
| 20:23.51 | Lunessa | alestane: It's a variation on PCI-E for more devices. |
| 20:23.54 | mikma | haste: http://apina.biz/38788.jpg |
| 20:24.04 | Ackis | doesn't get the jokes at all :( Adys should explain them. |
| 20:24.25 | Jamash | I think the joke is on the reader |
| 20:24.42 | karl_w_w | in other news, kane has got to be about the best bad guy ever |
| 20:24.46 | Jamash | "you just spent five minutes trying to figure out why anyone thinks g-g is funny" |
| 20:25.02 | ckknight | g-g is hilarious |
| 20:25.09 | Jamash | for me to poop on |
| 20:25.23 | Lunessa | It's fast. REALLY fast. 10Gbps fast. |
| 20:26.06 | Lunessa | Sadly, I don't have 1.5K for a new laptop. :/ |
| 20:26.17 | Jamash | isn't USB3 4.8Gbps? |
| 20:26.19 | ckknight | g-g is about a paranoid pschizophrenic who has horrible luck with women. Comedy gold. |
| 20:26.21 | karl_w_w | what's 10 gbps in mph? |
| 20:26.37 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Three OMGs fast |
| 20:26.39 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: apples, oranges, bowling balls. |
| 20:32.53 | Ackis | I was just asked to pronounce enema at work. |
| 20:33.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, me either Lunessa. But it's so purty. |
| 20:33.48 | Cide | g-g is awful |
| 20:33.53 | Cide | truest story ever |
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| 20:39.15 | Lunessa | sorry - was away. Putting the coutdown for the Discovery launch on the TV monitors I can see from my office. |
| 20:40.35 | mckenziemc | wat |
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| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | of course they had to give it a new name eh. I like Light Peak more then Thunderbolt |
| 20:42.26 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:42.32 | Fisker | apple is the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 20:42.55 | Fisker | now it's destined to die a horrible firewire death |
| 20:43.26 | Ackis | firewhat? |
| 20:43.34 | Fisker | FIREWIRE |
| 20:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nooooo! |
| 20:45.05 | nevcairiel | Light Peak isnt fast enough in its first version to replace all connectors anyway |
| 20:45.20 | nevcairiel | HDMI/DP have higher bandwidth, if you use them fully |
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| 20:45.51 | Fisker | if it is has so much bandwitdh why don't you marry it nevcairiel ? |
| 20:46.31 | Fisker | also i want a motorola xoom several days ago :( |
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| 20:51.26 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: isn't hdmi 10.2 gbit/sec? |
| 20:51.43 | kd3|phone | grr. I hate our WiFi. Makes it tough to watch nasatv on my phone... |
| 20:52.02 | Dagmar | RIght so,... |
| 20:52.09 | Dagmar | YOU ARE WATCHING TV ON YOUR PHONE! |
| 20:52.24 | sylvanaar_work | squinting |
| 20:52.26 | Dagmar | I think thst's new enough everything should still boild down to "Hot damn I'm watching TV on my phone!" |
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| 20:53.21 | sylvanaar_work | picture is too small |
| 20:53.44 | kd3|phone | I could if NASA would use a format my device can use. The stream's either wmv, quicktime or realplayer |
| 20:53.59 | solocommand | Spells bound to a key now start to be cast when the button is pressed down by default, instead of waiting for the key to go up. This is an option that can be turned off in the Interface menu under Combat. Mouse clicking has not changed and operates on mouse click up. |
| 20:54.06 | solocommand | farewell snowfallkeypress :O |
| 20:54.08 | nevcairiel | 10.2 > 10 :d DP goes to 17.82, also thats a multi-link connection, which one could probably do with multiple light peak links as well :P |
| 20:54.41 | kd3|phone | www.nasa.gov/ntv |
| 20:55.43 | wereHamster | which event is fired if one of the spell cooldowns expires? |
| 20:55.45 | TC-Work | kd3|phone: whats the eta? |
| 20:55.53 | alestane | Are the 4.1 notes up already or something? |
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| 20:56.19 | kd3|phone | though as soon as I bitch about it, my laptop connects |
| 20:56.25 | TC-Work | nvm |
| 20:56.54 | kd3|phone | Shuttle launch @ 4:50 |
| 20:57.08 | kd3|netbook | indeed |
| 20:57.34 | TC-Work | uh, they said -9:00 and holdinh |
| 20:57.36 | TC-Work | holding |
| 20:57.45 | TC-Work | after a 45 min check |
| 20:57.53 | karl_w_w | !api spell_update_cooldown |
| 20:57.54 | lua_bot | SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN: Fires when the cooldown on one of the player's spells begins or ends (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN) |
| 20:57.59 | kd3|netbook | yup. the hold ends at 4:41 |
| 20:58.02 | wereHamster | no, it's SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE |
| 20:58.14 | wereHamster | karl_w_w: see the note here: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN |
| 20:58.17 | kd3|netbook | largely so they get into the launch window they want |
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| 20:58.53 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 20:59.03 | karl_w_w | gotta love blizzard's name 'conventions' |
| 20:59.11 | kd3|netbook | "convention"? |
| 20:59.13 | kd3|netbook | ahahaha |
| 20:59.46 | SqueeG | does anyone know the regex pattern for np++ (scite) for finding anything in between two commas? |
| 21:00.44 | SqueeG | i've only come up with patterns that are too greedy and find the first and *last* comma |
| 21:00.57 | SqueeG | or they match a space or two past the second comma |
| 21:01.11 | kd3|phone | grr |
| 21:02.24 | kd3|phone | ,([^,]*?), |
| 21:03.01 | kd3|phone | escaped properly, of course |
| 21:03.18 | nevcairiel | the np++ regex search does not support non-greedy mode :( |
| 21:03.27 | SqueeG | =/ that's the problem with scite they don't have a lazy limiter |
| 21:03.46 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: hmm, according to the docs on Intel's site, Thunderbolt is dual channel, bi directional, 10 GBit/sec |
| 21:03.49 | SqueeG | oh hey |
| 21:03.59 | Arrowmaster | well neither does normal regex |
| 21:04.06 | SqueeG | it sorked with out the ? =o awesome sauce thank you |
| 21:04.18 | Arrowmaster | a combination is used to make a non-greedy match |
| 21:04.42 | SqueeG | worked not sorked >.> |
| 21:04.49 | SqueeG | thank you kd3 |
| 21:04.50 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: so that would be > 17.82 for DP |
| 21:04.58 | SqueeG | xD lol |
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| 21:06.19 | kd3|netbook | yw |
| 21:06.33 | solocommand | alestane: There are some preliminary ones up on mmoc |
| 21:06.45 | kd3|netbook | patch notes? wowpedia.org/Patch_4.1.0 |
| 21:06.56 | solocommand | that too ;D |
| 21:06.59 | SqueeG | I was way over-engineering it >.O |
| 21:07.09 | Fisker | http it or gtfo kd3|phone |
| 21:07.12 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 21:07.19 | Fisker | also get my damn xoom |
| 21:07.38 | kd3|netbook | er, no? |
| 21:07.49 | alestane | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2356431#blog |
| 21:07.53 | Fisker | i think you should |
| 21:07.57 | kd3|netbook | is too busy firing off annoyed emails to ITS bitching about the wifi |
| 21:08.10 | Fisker | i'd bitch about wifi too |
| 21:08.36 | Lunessa | kd3|netbook: ITS is too busy griping about your annoyed emails to do anything about the wifi |
| 21:08.43 | kd3|netbook | probably |
| 21:09.00 | Lunessa | You going to Georgia Tech? |
| 21:09.01 | Ackis | anyone here kill heroic halfus yet? |
| 21:09.14 | kd3|netbook | kennesaw |
| 21:09.22 | kd3|netbook | GT is too rich for my blood |
| 21:11.57 | ckknight | is there a way to run two different versions of chrome on the same computer? e.g. stable v9 and the dev v11 |
| 21:12.49 | Fisker | Spells bound to a key now start to be cast when the button is pressed down by default, instead of waiting for the key to go up. This is an option that can be turned off in the Interface menu under Combat. Mouse clicking has not changed and operates on mouse click up. |
| 21:12.49 | Fisker | woo |
| 21:12.51 | Fisker | bout time |
| 21:13.00 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 21:13.03 | Fisker | like everyone in the WORLD |
| 21:13.38 | Ackis | Fisker: :( |
| 21:13.47 | mckenziemc | old new Fisker |
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| 21:14.18 | mckenziemc | news* |
| 21:14.33 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 21:14.35 | Fisker | i fart on you |
| 21:14.43 | bluspacecow | hai2u fisker |
| 21:15.12 | karl_w_w | so a subtlety rogue will now walk faster than anyone else, but only while stealthed |
| 21:15.28 | karl_w_w | that'll take some getting used to |
| 21:18.34 | alestane | "â¢Charge and Intercept no longer have diminishing returns on their stun effects." ...didn't they just add that? |
| 21:18.49 | alestane | I thin ktheir' bonus applies on top of the penalty. |
| 21:19.13 | kd3|netbook | 30 minutes! |
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| 21:20.59 | Fisker | i thought march 4th was a friday |
| 21:21.46 | SqueeG | anyone live in cali? :p |
| 21:22.43 | SqueeG | for what ever reason, our cali office can't access http://iconnect.com/ |
| 21:23.06 | Ackis | they should try icantconnect.com lulz |
| 21:23.14 | SqueeG | ahaha |
| 21:23.20 | SqueeG | i see it just fine |
| 21:23.37 | SqueeG | but.. i'm not in Cali-forn-I-A |
| 21:23.38 | mckenziemc | it loads for me in north cal |
| 21:24.15 | TC-Work | SqueeG: i can get to it, i'm in LA |
| 21:24.24 | SqueeG | do you use comcast TC? |
| 21:25.08 | SqueeG | err |
| 21:25.09 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 21:25.09 | TC-Work | not sure |
| 21:25.11 | Fisker | do you agree? |
| 21:25.13 | SqueeG | do either of you? xD |
| 21:25.38 | TC-Work | we use airband, and i dont know who they pull from |
| 21:25.48 | SqueeG | xD |
| 21:25.56 | TC-Work | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
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| 21:40.49 | kd3|netbook | ooh, c'mon range safety |
| 21:41.40 | bluspacecow | @TC This is what I think of when I see your username http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykRZbOb1c5c |
| 21:42.25 | kd3|netbook | 9m and counting |
| 21:43.41 | mckenziemc | dons a hard hat |
| 21:43.58 | TC-Work | 6:50 |
| 21:44.13 | kd3|netbook | c'mon range... |
| 21:44.19 | TC-Work | mckenziemc: it's not like it's the LHC or anything |
| 21:48.28 | kd3|netbook | woo! go range! |
| 21:52.03 | Fisker | i'm sleepy TC-Work |
| 21:52.22 | kd3|netbook | here we gooooo |
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| 21:58.57 | Lunessa | ... And a glorious launch. :) |
| 21:59.21 | kd3|netbook | indeed. need to make plans so I'm down there for atlantis's launch |
| 22:01.25 | Lunessa | I'm going to miss the shuttles. |
| 22:04.57 | kd3|netbook | and now to prepare for 2 weeks of keeping nasatv on in the background |
| 22:09.32 | karl_w_w | can i do something like print("value = ".. value or "0"), or does it need to be complicated than that? |
| 22:09.44 | karl_w_w | more complicated* |
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| 22:14.51 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
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| 22:18.07 | karl_w_w | it needs to be more complicated |
| 22:20.31 | karl_w_w | if not status then print("status null") else print("status = "..status) end |
| 22:20.43 | Ackis | ha ha purl said cox |
| 22:20.55 | karl_w_w | ha ha Ackis said cox |
| 22:21.40 | Ackis | ha ha karl_w_w said cox |
| 22:34.56 | wereHamster | does anyone have a function to check if a buff is active? or is there a collection of these and other useful snippets somewhere? |
| 22:34.57 | SinusPi | karl_w_w: print("value = "..tostring(value)) |
| 22:35.42 | SinusPi | wereHamster: iterate through UnitAura. |
| 22:36.44 | karl_w_w | thanks sinus pie |
| 22:37.44 | SinusPi | pie! |
| 22:37.59 | SinusPi | atez teh pie. |
| 22:40.12 | wereHamster | SinusPi: I was hoping for someone to jump in and say: here I already wrote that function, you can find it here .. |
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| 22:42.11 | Caleb| | !apu UnitBuff |
| 22:42.17 | Caleb| | !api UnitBuff |
| 22:42.17 | lua_bot | UnitBuff: Returns information about a buff on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitBuff) |
| 22:42.25 | Caleb| | wereHamster ^^ |
| 22:42.38 | wereHamster | what's the diff between unitbuff and unitaura? |
| 22:42.52 | wereHamster | ah, This function is an alias for UnitAura() with a built-in HELPFUL |
| 22:42.59 | wereHamster | filter |
| 22:43.27 | Caleb| | one is for buffs only other is for buffs and debuffs both |
| 22:46.20 | karl_w_w | is this valid?: local updater = CreateFrame"Frame" |
| 22:46.34 | foxlit | karl_w_w: it's 100% horrible |
| 22:46.48 | foxlit | But curse you lua for call"arg" syntax. |
| 22:48.26 | Ycarene | Anybody play WoW in linux? |
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| 22:49.42 | karl_w_w | so replacing that with local updater = CreateFrame("Frame","updater") would be fine? Its not my code you see |
| 22:49.57 | wereHamster | karl_w_w: you don't need the second argument |
| 22:50.13 | karl_w_w | spose not |
| 22:55.31 | Kraps | i haz a nap |
| 22:57.15 | karl_w_w | claps for Kraps |
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| 22:58.59 | Kraps | http://www.gamingangels.com/2011/02/do-you-want-to-be-my-playdate-undercover-at-gamecrush/ |
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| 23:13.03 | Kraps | i feel like i'm reading an investigative sex-slave story |
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| 23:21.40 | karl_w_w | win ab with 1 healer vs 4 healers |
| 23:21.48 | karl_w_w | how's that for pro |
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| 23:41.59 | TC-Work | Kraps: that doesnt resolve |
| 23:42.12 | TC-Work | oh, nvm |
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| 23:48.26 | bluspacecow | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1959705 <---- oh you crazy EU peeps |
| 23:49.11 | karl_w_w | local isWorld = PVPHonorFrame.selectedIsWorldPvp and true or nil <- somebody explain? xD |
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| 23:56.20 | jnwhiteh | *cry* |
| 23:56.22 | jnwhiteh | this guy |
| 23:56.23 | jnwhiteh | and Clique. |
| 23:56.39 | jnwhiteh | Hey this mod isnt working for me and I would love to have it up and running. Is the mod outdated? |
| 23:56.52 | jnwhiteh | The whole mod is not working : / Any help/suggestions? |
| 23:57.10 | jnwhiteh | turns out the only thing that isn't working is using the bindings.. the UI is there.. adding bindings is fine. |
| 23:57.23 | jnwhiteh | so I tell him bindings by default only work on unit frames, and get |
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| 23:57.36 | jnwhiteh | I will have a unit frame targeted, and still no luck. Like having "Arcane Barrage" bind to F1, and when I target a mob, the bind doesnt work. Thx for the speedy reply. |
| 23:57.38 | jnwhiteh | *cry* |
| 23:58.09 | karl_w_w | oh dear me |
| 23:58.54 | bluspacecow | *gently pats jnwhiteh* |
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