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| 00:01.13 | Kraps | mom! |
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| 00:10.36 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 00:11.01 | mckenziemc | i need a synonym for definition 4 of http://www.thefreedictionary.com/qualify :( |
| 00:13.26 | cog|work | mckenziemc: so scroll down to the thesaurus section? |
| 00:13.28 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:13.44 | mckenziemc | none of them suffice |
| 00:14.44 | cog|work | none of them suffice for what purpose? |
| 00:15.51 | cog|work | 4. restrict, limit, reduce, vary, ease, moderate, adapt, modify, regulate, diminish, temper, soften, restrain, lessen, mitigate, abate, tone down, assuage, modulate, circumscribe I would qualify that by putting it into context. |
| 00:17.41 | mckenziemc | mind on break, will return later |
| 00:18.25 | Xyphoid | filter? |
| 00:22.32 | Kraps | he never explains what he needs the first time |
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| 00:37.43 | kd3 | ooh, watson's on jeopardy tonight |
| 00:37.52 | Nobgul | sup all |
| 00:37.55 | Nobgul | sup kd3 |
| 00:38.07 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 00:40.56 | Nobgul | You get your stuff yet? |
| 00:41.01 | Nobgul | I got my pc's from them |
| 00:41.41 | kd3 | fedex says the 16th |
| 00:41.50 | Nobgul | wow |
| 00:42.16 | kd3 | smartpost is slow. in addition to the snow shutting down the mail in texas for a few days |
| 00:42.21 | kd3 | is not concerned |
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| 00:44.36 | Kraps | snow in texas/it is rare/WTF |
| 00:45.10 | kd3 | which is why, even though I ordered on 1/25 I'm getting it on 2/16 |
| 00:45.13 | kd3 | yawns |
| 00:46.09 | Nobgul | yer |
| 00:49.08 | Kraps | haiku is hard/form not important/i dont get it |
| 00:50.12 | alestane | http://machall.com/view.php?date=2001-01-15 |
| 00:50.14 | Torhal | Haiku is seven syllables. |
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| 00:50.44 | Kraps | not always |
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| 00:51.10 | mckenziemc | sorry guys, my mind is too befuddled to explain the situation right now; it may be because of a withdrawal from my medication. i'll try to get back later when i can think straight |
| 00:51.51 | Kraps | http://sites.google.com/site/graceguts/essays/becoming-a-haiku-poet |
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| 00:53.59 | Kraps | http://sites.google.com/site/graceguts/essays/haiku-checklist |
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| 00:57.09 | Torhal | Haikus are easy/But sometimes they don't make sense/Refridgerator |
| 01:00.52 | amro | the plural of haiku is haiku |
| 01:01.16 | foxlit | the plural of plural is plurii |
| 01:01.58 | Jamash | refrigerator doesn't have a d in it even though fridge does (been caught by that one myself) |
| 01:02.18 | Jamash | mckenziemc: you too? let's be withdrawal buddies |
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| 01:08.46 | Wobin | <Torhal> Haiku is seven syllables. |
| 01:08.52 | Wobin | I think you'll find, it's actually two |
| 01:09.15 | foxlit | / Or was it five? |
| 01:09.19 | Jerub | 5/7/5 |
| 01:09.28 | Torhal | Wobin: Bah! I meant in total, but it had been years and I'd forgotten there was a cadence. 5-7-5 |
| 01:09.45 | Wobin | foxlit totally made the entire thing work =P |
| 01:09.49 | foxlit | Torhal's line is 8, though. |
| 01:10.16 | Wobin | "se'n sy'bl's" |
| 01:10.23 | Torhal | Wobin: :P |
| 01:10.38 | Torhal | amro: BTW: That was a quote. |
| 01:10.51 | Jerub | haiku have to talk about the seasons too |
| 01:11.02 | Torhal | Kaelten has been saying a variation of the refridgerator one for awhile now, and I decided to look it up. |
| 01:11.04 | Jamash | 1but 2some 3times 4they 5don't 6make 7sense |
| 01:11.45 | Wobin | Jamash: "Haiku is seven syllables" is 8 syllables =P |
| 01:12.04 | Jamash | Wobin: You just totally blew my mind, bro |
| 01:12.39 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 01:14.09 | Jerub | Wobin: i know what you did / seven syllable haiku / hotter than summer |
| 01:14.28 | Jerub | fuck i hate poetry. i can't read or write it properly. |
| 01:14.33 | Jerub | it breaks my brain |
| 01:16.52 | Jamash | jerub hates haiku / he can't read or write it well / cause it breaks his brain |
| 01:16.59 | Jamash | woops |
| 01:17.36 | Jamash | jerub hates haiku / he can't read or write them well / cause they break his brain |
| 01:19.09 | Wobin | Jerub hates haiku / unable to compose "Spring" / Cause they break his brain |
| 01:29.16 | mckenziemc | (3:22:04 PM) nebula169: xyz are client side, you request where you are, what you're looking at, and how far you can see and the server returns the info |
| 01:29.17 | mckenziemc | (3:22:21 PM) nebula169: rather, you send* |
| 01:29.17 | mckenziemc | but, my question is, doesn't the server send you info from within a constant radius, regardless of 'how far you can see' |
| 01:29.34 | mckenziemc | i was pretty sure combat is always 100 yards, though i don't know about objects |
| 01:32.43 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Objects and terrain are completely dependent upon your client settings. |
| 01:33.15 | Kraps | http://forthebubbles.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cataraidingjohnfuckingmadden.jpg |
| 01:33.43 | mckenziemc | some objects like buildings and environment detail i understand, but i'm referring to stuff like the valentine's day world objects, that aren't always there |
| 01:35.12 | mckenziemc | i wonder if i could test it with a method similar to the way npcscan detects rares |
| 01:35.53 | mckenziemc | ie. check if a particular valentine's day world object gets stored in the cache at all, and if so, check if i can detect when it gets loaded |
| 01:39.13 | Jamash | can someone explain the john fucking madden meme to me |
| 01:39.29 | mckenziemc | but, _if_ _all_ objects are completely dependent on client settings, and combat is always 100 yards, then i don't understand how http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2065776684 can claim "Lowering video settings (especially view distance) has the added benefit of lowering the amount of data your connection is asked to convey, as well, so even that can be a valid troubleshooting step." |
| 01:40.57 | mckenziemc | Jamash: this 'might' explain it, though i can't verify the accuracy since i'm not very familiar with the meme. http://wayofthedruid.blogspot.com/2010/09/why-is-cat-dps-like-john-madden.html |
| 01:41.28 | Jamash | mckenziemc: ahhhhhhh, light pen drawings, I get it |
| 01:41.52 | Jamash | does not watch sports. |
| 01:43.14 | Torhal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITZCr6gR8gA |
| 01:43.48 | mckenziemc | can't youtube :( |
| 01:43.58 | Jamash | why not? |
| 01:44.14 | mckenziemc | dialup |
| 01:45.01 | Torhal | You can YouTube. I'm on shitty Hotel Internet which, though superior to dialup, allows YouTube by simple virtue of hitting play, then hitting pause, and letting the motherfuckere queue. |
| 01:45.26 | Torhal | s/queue/buffer/ |
| 01:46.02 | mckenziemc | but then i can't WoW |
| 01:46.19 | mckenziemc | or do anything else for a few hours |
| 01:46.47 | mckenziemc | i'd like to set up a linux router with packet queing that might allow for that kind of thing though |
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| 01:49.45 | Jamash | I would also like to do that with my linux box but I am lazy |
| 01:51.16 | Arrowmaster | i just run tomato on my router and have the QoS configured |
| 01:53.10 | Jamash | you... tomato? |
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| 01:54.37 | Jamash | oh, router firmware |
| 01:54.42 | Torhal | ... |
| 01:54.46 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 01:57.56 | airtonix | runs away with Torhals detachable leg |
| 02:01.36 | Torhal | stuffs airtonix in a ventillation duct. |
| 02:01.58 | airtonix | breaths |
| 02:02.38 | airtonix | you know the secret to awesome? |
| 02:02.48 | Jamash | sauce? |
| 02:03.09 | airtonix | optical discs |
| 02:03.32 | airtonix | and opera on android |
| 02:12.40 | Corrodias | my mother wants to get an ipad, or something, for games and internet and what have you. what sort of non-apple products are there for that sort of thing, if any? i don't pay much attention to the portable system world, but i don't want to just get something because i haven't heard of its competition. |
| 02:12.54 | Jerub | samsung galaxy tab |
| 02:13.02 | Jerub | ipad is better for games though |
| 02:13.25 | Jerub | http://galaxytab.samsungmobile.com/ |
| 02:13.30 | Corrodias | i might just have to go with the ipad then, but we'll see |
| 02:13.39 | Corrodias | thanks |
| 02:14.00 | Jerub | you can see what games are on the galaxy by going to the android market website |
| 02:14.11 | Jerub | which is annoying and buggy, but works :) |
| 02:14.22 | Jerub | upside: no itunes involved :) |
| 02:14.43 | airtonix | Jerub: why is the ipad better ? |
| 02:14.51 | airtonix | hardware ? |
| 02:14.54 | Jerub | airtonix: because more developers write games for it. |
| 02:14.59 | airtonix | ok |
| 02:15.29 | Jerub | Corrodias: you can get tablets for about $150 each from china, there's shitloads of them, they all run android (usually older versions thereof). |
| 02:15.45 | Corrodias | china, huh >_> |
| 02:15.46 | airtonix | does the ipad have flash ? |
| 02:15.52 | Jamash | ha ha ha ha ha |
| 02:15.55 | airtonix | :) |
| 02:15.56 | Jamash | NO |
| 02:16.03 | airtonix | ok so theres alot of games gone |
| 02:16.07 | Jerub | Corrodias: http://aliexpress.com/ |
| 02:16.08 | airtonix | because |
| 02:16.14 | Corrodias | oh dear, that automatically gives it a disadvantage in game variety, hahah |
| 02:16.24 | airtonix | http://www.kongregate.com/ |
| 02:16.41 | airtonix | ^ that might be available for iDevice |
| 02:16.43 | airtonix | not sure |
| 02:16.47 | Jamash | Corrodias: cheap netbook > tablet |
| 02:17.05 | Corrodias | hmm, aren't those flash games, airtonix? |
| 02:17.08 | airtonix | Jamash: how so ? |
| 02:17.18 | airtonix | Corrodias: that's sort my point |
| 02:17.37 | airtonix | I know they made a portal interface for android |
| 02:17.39 | Jamash | airtonix: because you're not as subject to the whims of the manufacturer |
| 02:17.47 | airtonix | Jamash: ok |
| 02:18.07 | airtonix | Jamash: usually better hardware too ? |
| 02:18.14 | Corrodias | oh man, i don't know anything about netbooks. according to wikipedia, they're made from rats. |
| 02:18.39 | Jamash | whut |
| 02:18.50 | Jamash | what the eff |
| 02:18.54 | Jamash | SHIRIK |
| 02:19.40 | Jerub | this actually looks really good: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/900098/210579729-349974571/Android-2-2-8-inch-Cortex-A8-512MB-4GB-Tablet-PC-Dropship.html |
| 02:20.08 | airtonix | Corrodias: well since i 've seen that tablets now spawned a market for bluetooth keyboards about the same size as the netbook keyboards... |
| 02:20.59 | airtonix | at the moment all i use my netbook for is an over glorified keyboard as an synergy server for my desktop |
| 02:21.37 | Corrodias | why buy a tablet and a keyboard if you can just buy one with a keyboard on it, huh |
| 02:22.03 | Jamash | you could buy a cell phone that plugs into a keyboard and screen that becomes a netbook herp derp |
| 02:22.19 | airtonix | well yes |
| 02:22.35 | airtonix | i think my phone already supports bluetooth profile for HID |
| 02:23.17 | Jamash | I mean the Atrix |
| 02:23.50 | Jamash | this goofy mofo: http://phandroid.com/2011/02/09/att-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-priced-high-because-you-can-do-more-than-a-netbook/ |
| 02:24.16 | Kraps | british movies are WEIRD |
| 02:24.27 | Jamash | they're made by british people, so, yeah |
| 02:25.03 | Kraps | watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486190/ |
| 02:25.06 | Thunder_Child | so are you Kraps, so are you |
| 02:25.22 | Kraps | no Thunder_Child |
| 02:25.40 | Thunder_Child | lies Kraps |
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| 02:27.19 | airtonix | opera on android ignores my DNS server on my lan |
| 02:27.23 | airtonix | :( |
| 02:27.43 | airtonix | apparently only the internet has DNS servers |
| 02:29.14 | cog|work | nsfw (possibly): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPM8rdoO3kg |
| 02:29.42 | Kraps | the whole plot runs on the idiocy of two 15 year old girls |
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| 02:32.22 | Kraps | funny though |
| 02:33.14 | airtonix | lawl opera has it's own /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:33.18 | airtonix | :< |
| 02:33.29 | airtonix | and you can't edit it |
| 02:34.52 | Arrowmaster | fail |
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| 02:40.09 | Corrodias | the galaxy tab web site sucks |
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| 02:40.32 | Corrodias | i guess i'm only saying that because it's made for people who already know about it |
| 02:41.51 | Corrodias | doesn't sound half bad, though. holy shit, until i get to the price. |
| 02:43.58 | Jamash | one meeeeeeeeeeeelion dollars |
| 02:45.00 | Corrodias | i'm a little wary of cheap, chinese products |
| 02:45.45 | Corrodias | huh. an ipad isn't cheap either. |
| 02:46.32 | Corrodias | apple managed to make an upgrade of 48mb of presumably flash memory cost $200. good for them. |
| 02:47.27 | Jamash | huh? |
| 02:47.34 | Corrodias | http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?afid=p219|GOUS&cid=OAS-US-KWG-iPad-US |
| 02:47.38 | Jamash | GB |
| 02:47.45 | Corrodias | oh yeah, sorry |
| 02:48.15 | Corrodias | i was thinking GB. the silliness is not diminished. |
| 02:48.26 | airtonix | indeed |
| 02:48.34 | airtonix | shiny white plastic! |
| 02:48.56 | Jamash | lemme guess, it doesn't have a USB port so you can plug in your own 64GB flash drive |
| 02:49.03 | airtonix | that |
| 02:49.37 | Jamash | oh look I'm right |
| 02:49.57 | Jamash | it has a proprietary apple connector that has no reason to exist now that everyone in the world uses usb |
| 02:50.13 | Corrodias | as long as there are actual alternatives, there's no way i'm advising her to get an ipad |
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| 02:53.05 | Corrodias | i still don't understand why everyone's persisting with carrier-specific cellular services |
| 02:53.22 | Jamash | what country are you in? |
| 02:53.29 | Corrodias | USA |
| 02:53.39 | A-KO | Corrodias: because it's cheaper |
| 02:53.40 | Jamash | because the USA does not have a free market |
| 02:53.43 | A-KO | period |
| 02:53.56 | Corrodias | cheaper for whom? |
| 02:54.01 | Jamash | and so carriers are free to lock people in as much as they want |
| 02:54.19 | Jamash | if we had proper antitrust, carrier lock-in would be illegal |
| 02:54.38 | Corrodias | i don't think we understand "free market" to mean the same thing |
| 02:54.40 | Jamash | all phones/cell devices would be unlocked, etc |
| 02:54.59 | Corrodias | so, amazon sells a Samsung Galaxy Tab (T-Mobile) and a Samsung Galaxy Tab (AT&T). does that mean those are the only two services with which you can use its cellular tech? |
| 02:55.19 | Jamash | a free market is one that is tightly regulated so that no market participant can exercise undue anticompetitive power |
| 02:55.23 | Corrodias | and that you have to get- ugh, so stupid, why would anyone want cellular connectivity |
| 02:56.06 | Corrodias | funny use of the word "free", but i can accept that. |
| 02:56.37 | Jamash | the libertoonian definition of free market is a form of propaganda created and disseminated by monopolists |
| 02:57.13 | airtonix | out of the 8 shops i went to in adelaide australia, only one was willing to sell me one of their galaxy s phones without a plan |
| 02:57.27 | Jamash | and they wanted to charge you $400 extra for it? |
| 02:57.28 | airtonix | they all said "we are reserving them for post pay customers" |
| 02:57.34 | Corrodias | i don't really care; it just seems intuitive to me that "free market" would mean only market forces affecting ... stuff |
| 02:57.35 | Corrodias | i dunno. |
| 02:57.48 | Corrodias | doesn't matter. i'm just trying to find a tablet for my mother, here. |
| 02:57.57 | Jamash | my advice is don't |
| 02:58.08 | airtonix | Jamash: no, in fact in the end i had one guy explain the cost of going post pay with the phone, i would end up paying 1400$ for the phone over two years |
| 02:58.23 | airtonix | when it only costs 600~ |
| 02:58.31 | Jamash | post pay? |
| 02:58.39 | Corrodias | you pay after paying? |
| 02:58.42 | airtonix | what you call a plan |
| 02:59.00 | Jamash | I think in the US that's referred to as "subsidized" |
| 02:59.08 | Jamash | which is kind of a misnomer |
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| 02:59.21 | Jamash | since you're really paying, as you say, more for it |
| 02:59.50 | airtonix | well if i was the type to spend money on phone calls every month then i might go for it |
| 03:00.11 | airtonix | but i didn't buy it just for a phone |
| 03:00.42 | Jamash | I'm going to keep my so-called "feature phone" until I'm the last one on earth with one |
| 03:00.54 | Jamash | I'd actually prefer a phone with fewer features |
| 03:01.11 | airtonix | i actually prefer not to carry around 12kg of books |
| 03:01.14 | Corrodias | well, she wants SOMETHING like that. even if it ends up being a netbook. i think i'd want it to run the Android OS, right? or not? web, email, and games are what i think we're talking about here. |
| 03:01.17 | airtonix | and a laptop |
| 03:02.11 | Jamash | I don't want a web browser (at 3 cents a kilobyte), ringtones ($1 each), wallpapers (dunno how much), chat, etc so long as they're going to nickle and dime me |
| 03:02.43 | airtonix | i don't pay for that |
| 03:02.50 | Jamash | if I could get a device with unlimited data and unlimited texting for a reasonable amount, then I'd be interested |
| 03:02.51 | airtonix | but fortunately im not in usa |
| 03:02.58 | Jamash | but current trends are in the exact opposite direction |
| 03:05.46 | Jamash | with carriers demanding to be allowed to charge the customer for the youtube app (which only views youtube) and then charge both the customer and google for each byte transferred |
| 03:05.54 | Arrowmaster | if i get a smart phone i would end up using it mostly with wifi anyway |
| 03:05.56 | Jamash | repeat for netflix, twitter, facebook, etc |
| 03:08.29 | Corrodias | when this chinese tablet says it has "External 3G", what the hell is that supposed to mean? it support 3G cellular service, but only on the outside? |
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| 03:11.42 | Jamash | I don't know, but it might mean it has a 3G card or dongle |
| 03:13.42 | Corrodias | starts looking for android netbook options |
| 03:13.58 | Sixen | Corrodias, lemme nkow what you find. |
| 03:14.13 | Sixen | I'm looking into either a Tablet or a Netbook. Android Netbook would be hawt |
| 03:15.25 | Corrodias | lack of a touch screen might be a sticking point, as a "cool" feature that is missing |
| 03:15.27 | Torhal | Sixen: Problem with Android is the same problem with Linux in general - too much fragmentation. On top of that, there are no sure-fire hardware specs. |
| 03:16.27 | Torhal | "OMG! Latest Android OS version! OMG this! OMG that!" all on three-year-old hardware. |
| 03:16.37 | Sixen | I'm really just looking for something to lug around school with me for email/web/word processing |
| 03:16.41 | Corrodias | i don't understand what you're saying, Torhal |
| 03:17.58 | Torhal | Corrodias: There are several different companies that "support" Android. Each of them has their own proprietary platform, and none of them adhere to a hardware specification. They can be running the latest version of everything which _is_ standard on severely-outdated or underrated hardware. |
| 03:18.37 | Torhal | That's Apple's biggest strength - they set the standard. No, it isn't ideal, but you damn well know what you're getting into. |
| 03:18.41 | Corrodias | from what i've seen, the netbooks have better hardware than the tablets anyway, though, and surely better than the phones. |
| 03:19.23 | Torhal | Yes, they do, by definition. However, the same rules apply. You don't know if the hardware is actually going to operate the software optimally. |
| 03:19.41 | Corrodias | like... bad drivers? |
| 03:20.00 | Torhal | Like, shittily-old hardware trying to run state-of-the-art software bad. |
| 03:20.15 | Corrodias | i don't understand why you equate old with slow |
| 03:20.33 | Corrodias | if the specs are better, why would it be slower? |
| 03:20.35 | Torhal | Hardware-wise, compared to newer software, it's almost always slow. |
| 03:20.54 | Torhal | If the specs are better, then fine. |
| 03:21.15 | Corrodias | i'm not playing Apple's game of "do everything our way or gtfo" |
| 03:21.18 | Torhal | Though you'd better be damn sure they aren't exxagerating the qualifications of the hardware. |
| 03:21.50 | Torhal | Like I said: Apple has the one strength - at the cost of "This isn't my preference". |
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| 03:21.59 | Torhal | But you always have the option of choice. |
| 03:22.26 | Torhal | All I'm really saying is: Educate yourself thoroughly on every platform. |
| 03:22.41 | Torhal | "OMG Android!" means shit. |
| 03:23.01 | Torhal | Pick the CORRECT Android platform if you go that route. |
| 03:23.32 | Corrodias | and thus the problem, i don't know what i'm looking for now. there appear to be a few Android version in use: 2.1, 2.2, and 3.0 |
| 03:24.03 | Torhal | And to further exacerbate the problem: Some of the better hardware may be using the older versions of the software. |
| 03:24.08 | durcyn | htc or samsung, the rest are crap, especially motorola with their policy of immediate abandonment |
| 03:24.35 | Corrodias | though, if i going for a netbook, i think the manufacturers are different |
| 03:24.41 | Corrodias | *if i go |
| 03:24.42 | Torhal | They are. Always. |
| 03:27.40 | dafi_ | 3.0 is tablet only, otherwise go for the highest number |
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| 03:28.07 | Corrodias | i like how the samsung galaxy tab 10.1 is all over the web as "unveiled" and shit, yet doesn't seem to be buyable |
| 03:28.25 | dafi_ | unveiled mans we know about it not that it's released |
| 03:28.57 | dafi_ | lg has some nice afordable androids too the Optimus One for instance |
| 03:30.26 | dafi_ | furthermore there's tree questions i find fundamental when giving a load of money for something like a cellphone, ist rootable, is the bootloader locked and is there any custom firmware for it |
| 03:31.19 | Corrodias | i don't think my mother will really want to go replacing her tablet's firmware, though you could say i take political interest in encouraging that option. |
| 03:31.50 | dafi_ | otherwise you might end up with a nice hardware device which may have software issues the manufacturer won't fix or improve because they're more interested in getting you to buy the new stuff |
| 03:32.03 | Torhal | "Are you locking me out of this appliance I just bought? You are? Fuck off, sir." |
| 03:32.25 | dafi_ | i'm more concerned in return of investment |
| 03:33.05 | dafi_ | if i give 400 euros for a fancy android phone i better have maximum return over the maximum life time of the device |
| 03:34.33 | dafi_ | from 2.1 to 2.2 there was a considerable performance bost people stuck on 2.1 could have but don't simply because some manufacturers didn't bother updating their firmware :\ |
| 03:35.03 | Torhal | And that, sir, is fucking retarded-greedy. |
| 03:35.11 | Torhal | Also: Kelly Hu == OMFGBBQ |
| 03:35.13 | dafi_ | well it makes business sence |
| 03:35.19 | Torhal | Not really. |
| 03:35.22 | Torhal | Well |
| 03:35.26 | dafi_ | it does |
| 03:35.29 | Torhal | From sheer population nowadays, it does. |
| 03:35.40 | Torhal | In days past, the middle finger would rule all. |
| 03:36.01 | dafi_ | they sell you a product in it's "final" state, updates are a bonus |
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| 03:36.31 | kd3 | holy hell; they got dropped in iraq? |
| 03:36.34 | dafi_ | most users aren't tecnical, they just get android phones because they're "fancy" |
| 03:36.37 | Corrodias | rubs his head and puts away the web browser for now. he'll go back to looking at this later. headaches will follow soon. |
| 03:37.34 | Jamash | I wish linux used GPL2+ instead of GPL2 |
| 03:37.41 | dafi_ | i know a fair share of them, don't even use half of the capabilities of the phone :\ |
| 03:38.17 | dafi_ | have to force myself not to slap then wile screaming "you're doing it wrong!" |
| 03:44.30 | Thunder_Child | no, dont stop yourself |
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| 03:50.00 | dafi_ | lol |
| 03:55.04 | dafi_ | hearing some scary stories of slow file transfer from samba servers, a dark cloud overs over my linux server plnas :( |
| 03:56.13 | Jerub | dafi_: i don't know why you'd be concerned |
| 03:56.19 | Jerub | dafi_: samba performs fine |
| 03:56.31 | Torhal | dafi_: Not stories. The ArenaJunkies re-launch was uber-fucked due to that same issue. |
| 03:56.54 | Torhal | In some scenerios, Samba == fail |
| 03:57.15 | dafi_ | well my old windows server box managed 40mb/s speed |
| 03:57.20 | Torhal | The server load went to 80+ |
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| 03:57.40 | Torhal | Disable Samba, server load went to 1-4 |
| 03:57.57 | dafi_ | my googleling is pointing at a 30mb/s cap on samba at best, way less at worse |
| 03:58.12 | dafi_ | more research is required |
| 03:58.14 | kneeki_ | Hey all. How do I determine the <guild> text for NPC's? Like <Bow & Rifle Vendor> ? |
| 03:59.26 | Torhal | kneeki_: Tooltip-scanning. Look at how I do it in Syllabus. |
| 03:59.44 | Jerub | i've only ever seen hdd and network being limiting factors in samba performance. |
| 03:59.55 | kneeki_ | I'll do that, thanks =) |
| 04:00.01 | Torhal | kneeki_: np |
| 04:00.20 | Torhal | Jerub: We're talking high-end servers with at least 24GiB RAM |
| 04:00.51 | Torhal | Somehow, the file-share fucked the whole machine. |
| 04:00.51 | Jerub | Torhal: sounds like there was some tuning that needed to be done. |
| 04:01.07 | Torhal | Dunno. |
| 04:01.11 | Jerub | a quick googling shows me figures like 180mb/s achieved in '03 |
| 04:01.14 | Torhal | I wasn't directly involved. |
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| 04:01.42 | Torhal | "in '03" doesn't give hardware/kernel/Samba-version specifics. |
| 04:01.42 | dafi_ | anyways i haven't gotten to samba configuration on my tesst server, it crashed one day after i got the basic working... |
| 04:01.53 | mckenziemc | hah |
| 04:02.44 | dafi_ | still haven't figured out how to read linux "BSOD" |
| 04:04.18 | dafi_ | never really thought i'd ever miss windows BSOD, at least those i know how to handle... |
| 04:05.49 | kneeki_ | Torhal: Where abouts should I be looking? I've tried doing a few searches, scanning, npc, guild, ect, I don't seem to find it within your 2220 lines of code -.- |
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| 04:08.16 | Torhal | kneeki_: function Syllabus:TRAINER_SHOW() |
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| 04:09.07 | Torhal | kneeki_: Apparently LaoTsu changed some variable names, but it's either trainer_line2 or trainer_line3 |
| 04:09.43 | Torhal | The DataMiner tooltip is defined above that function. |
| 04:09.55 | kneeki_ | okay, thanks a lot! |
| 04:09.58 | Torhal | np :) |
| 04:10.03 | Jerub | shrug, i know for a fact that samba can perform extremely well, i'm sure it's possible to cause the reverse to happen. :) |
| 04:10.29 | Torhal | Jerub: As I said, "in '03" doesn't give software specifics. |
| 04:10.52 | Torhal | It's perfectly reasonable to assume what's on those servers has regressions. |
| 04:11.04 | kneeki_ | Hm, so your scanning the tooltip to find that information? Blizzard doesn't make it available via the API? |
| 04:11.12 | Torhal | kneeki_: they do not. |
| 04:11.18 | kneeki_ | Wow, that's a bummer! |
| 04:11.32 | Torhal | kneeki_: At least you have a way of getting at it :) |
| 04:11.40 | kneeki_ | Indeed! |
| 04:12.17 | Jerub | Torhal: um, ancient software and hardware no where near the current state of the art. |
| 04:12.51 | Jerub | Torhal: i stopped looking once i found that there were figures > than the '40mb/sec' figure quoted as the hard maximum in channel. |
| 04:13.35 | Torhal | Jerub: Newer doesn't equate to better when the newer shit has regressions. That's all I'm saying. For all I know, the ArenaJunkies server has the worst version of Samba in existence. |
| 04:14.15 | Jerub | i skipped over a few documentation pieces on performance tuning samba and one about a bug where a printer could fuck everything up. |
| 04:14.23 | Torhal | LOL |
| 04:14.28 | Torhal | Yah, that's bad. |
| 04:19.00 | kneeki_ | Ah, here we go. I just need to do this before I clear the lines: local guild = GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText() or "" |
| 04:19.02 | kneeki_ | =) |
| 04:20.22 | mckenziemc | btw, i feel i should respond to this because multiple issues have arisen involving it lately, and i think explaining it may help prevent similar issues from happening in the future: |
| 04:20.23 | mckenziemc | (4:22:29 PM) Kraps: he never explains what he needs the first time |
| 04:20.23 | mckenziemc | ^ that is (semi) intentional, because i prefer to ask open-ended questions, see what kind of answers i get, and _then_ steer the discussion based on what i really need, or the occurence of interesting tangents. That way, interesting ideas sometimes appear that wouldn't have if i had been focused solely on the immediate problem in front of me. |
| 04:23.00 | Kraps | i dont know man, open-ended questions are annoying enough IRL but are a disaster in irc because its hard to tell what your intention is |
| 04:24.48 | Kraps | thats why you get into these arguments because people dont no what you want |
| 04:24.57 | Kraps | no offense |
| 04:25.43 | mckenziemc | the point is that my intention doesn't matter. IMO the problem is that people aren't used to it and don't realize there are other approaches |
| 04:26.18 | mckenziemc | sec, i may not have worded the first part well, thinking |
| 04:27.51 | Torhal | kneeki_: Glad to be of service. |
| 04:27.52 | mckenziemc | the idea behind the open-ended question is that I like to know about related ideas, even if they may not be relevant to what i'm doing right now |
| 04:28.53 | mckenziemc | i'm going to try to be more careful about it from now on though, and see if i can adjust my style |
| 04:29.26 | Torhal | mckenziemc: The problem with ope-ended questions is not only what Kraps outlined, but they're Really Fucking Vague (TM). Hence, they cause either Ire or Complete Ignorance. |
| 04:29.55 | Torhal | RFV makes me want to piss on someone. |
| 04:30.03 | mckenziemc | sounds like the symptoms of a closed mind refusing to open up :) |
| 04:30.53 | mckenziemc | @ they cause either Ire or Complete Ignorance. |
| 04:31.06 | Torhal | Or someone who is trying to literally understand the wording of the fucking question posed. :P |
| 04:31.27 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 04:31.43 | Torhal | IRC has no nuance. |
| 04:32.02 | Jamash | when someone asks a really vague question on IRC I'm going to respond with either LMGTFY or outright trolling 90% of the time |
| 04:32.07 | Torhal | So, for your own sake and that of those who wish to attempt to aid you: Ask clear and concise questions. |
| 04:32.20 | Torhal | FFS (TM) |
| 04:32.28 | Seerah | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html :) |
| 04:32.48 | mckenziemc | Torhal: now i think we're talking about two different things (that can overlap) |
| 04:32.48 | Torhal | Seerah: You offended me a day (or a few) ago. |
| 04:32.58 | Seerah | I did? :( |
| 04:33.11 | mckenziemc | vague questions vs abstract questions |
| 04:33.12 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Don't make me roast you in a covered pit, with an apple in your mouth. |
| 04:33.17 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 04:33.23 | Jamash | Torhal: Sometimes you write things I disapprove of. |
| 04:34.06 | Torhal | Seerah: Yes. You've always been a Good Girl (R), and I've discovered that you work with children. So when you said someone "pissed me off", I gasped. Loudly. |
| 04:34.19 | Seerah | rofl |
| 04:34.20 | Torhal | Jamash: Oh? Prey tell... |
| 04:34.31 | Seerah | hugs Torhal |
| 04:34.45 | mckenziemc | i'm going to bookmark that page and read it sometime |
| 04:34.47 | Jamash | Torhal: nah, I'd rather be intentionally vague and nonspecific |
| 04:35.08 | Torhal | Jamash: Did you just fucking mckenziemc-roll me? |
| 04:35.12 | Seerah | Torhal: you're probably thinking of the discussion about tanks assuming there is a "standard" for raid icon setting |
| 04:35.14 | Jamash | mmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe |
| 04:35.22 | Kraps | just finished http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/ |
| 04:35.29 | Torhal | Seerah: More than likely :) |
| 04:35.30 | Kraps | sweet ninjas |
| 04:35.35 | karl_w_w | does a given authenticator code expire the moment it ticks over or is there a bit of leeway? |
| 04:35.49 | mckenziemc | there's leeway |
| 04:35.57 | Jamash | Kraps: oh when I looked at the cover I thought that was the movie about Andy Kaufman |
| 04:36.23 | Jamash | and I was going to talk about how he trolled irl |
| 04:36.31 | Jamash | but it isn't |
| 04:36.34 | Jamash | and so now I can't |
| 04:36.39 | Jamash | jerk :( |
| 04:40.19 | Jamash | in other news, I'm hungry |
| 04:57.31 | ScytheBl1de1 | so I just got access to the unix boxes at work (as in, a standard user + root) |
| 04:57.37 | ScytheBl1de1 | it turns out that we have thousands of them |
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| 04:59.53 | Kraps | "Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a website chat board, do the following:" hahaha |
| 05:00.13 | Corrodias | slap yourself |
| 05:00.17 | Corrodias | step 1. |
| 05:00.22 | Jamash | webinterforumbbs? |
| 05:00.47 | karl_w_w | why on earth did blizz get rid of 'this'? |
| 05:01.13 | Jamash | because they updated their lua? |
| 05:01.43 | karl_w_w | its just mean |
| 05:01.53 | karl_w_w | bunch of meanies |
| 05:02.15 | Arrowmaster | its been deprecated since 2.x |
| 05:02.55 | Kraps | how old is that page |
| 05:04.18 | Adys | karl_w_w: oh my god! blizz is so mean! they're removing features deprecated for over three years! |
| 05:05.34 | Jamash | also global parameters are bad mmk? |
| 05:05.50 | Adys | and it has nothing to do with the lua update. |
| 05:06.10 | Torhal | karl_w_w: It is _not_ mean. It's simply Good Programming Practices (TM). |
| 05:06.39 | Torhal | The global "argX" and "this" should never have existed. |
| 05:06.44 | Jamash | true story |
| 05:06.48 | Torhal | Their removal is a GOOD thing. |
| 05:07.26 | Torhal | Update your code. Move on. |
| 05:07.31 | Torhal | Goodstorybra. |
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| 05:09.21 | Jamash | the whole design of the lua environment is fairly shoddy, although it's gotten steadily better over time |
| 05:09.22 | Jamash | it was not designed with modularity in mind |
| 05:09.22 | Jamash | I mean, at first every widget was statically declared |
| 05:10.02 | Jamash | <creaky old man voice> I remember when you had to edit FrameXML.toc by hand</creaky old man voice> |
| 05:12.41 | Torhal | Jamash: Don't make me entomb you in K&R C. |
| 05:12.58 | Jamash | hey I learned C from that book |
| 05:15.24 | cogwheel | i wanted 7-zip so i typed 7 in chrome and then accidentally hit enter instead of -. That should save me quite a few keystrokes in the future... |
| 05:15.45 | cogwheel | (7-zip was the 2nd result) |
| 05:15.51 | Jamash | cool |
| 05:17.56 | karl_w_w | i'd love to update my code Torhal, sadly it's not my code that needs updating |
| 05:18.09 | karl_w_w | chilling tale bretheren |
| 05:18.55 | Torhal | karl_w_w: I do't know what to tell you, then. Write a replacement. |
| 05:18.57 | mckenziemc | local this, arg1, arg2, arg3 --[[etc]] = ... |
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| 05:19.26 | Torhal | local babble, coerce, threaten, vague-statements = mckenziemc |
| 05:19.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:20.02 | mckenziemc | syntax error: assignment to rvalue not supported |
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| 05:25.53 | Torhal | % Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 05:26.07 | karl_w_w | bloody foreigners |
| 05:26.19 | Torhal | ? |
| 05:28.24 | Corrodias | read the line before that, then that line |
| 05:33.48 | mckenziemc | "Ethanol has been detected in outer space, forming an icy coating around dust grains in interstellar clouds.[86]" |
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| 05:36.46 | amro | boring |
| 05:37.04 | mckenziemc | bores a hole in amro's head. |
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| 05:38.50 | amro | that's more exciting than ethanol in outer space |
| 05:38.58 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 05:42.03 | mckenziemc | "Acetaldehyde [the first metabolic product of alcohol] is between 10 and 30 times more toxic than alcohol itself." |
| 05:44.31 | Torhal | shoves mckenziemc into the pubic region of an insanely horny woman, for his own goddamn good (and that of us, for fuck's sake). |
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| 05:44.45 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 05:50.08 | Ackis | fast approvals are fast thanks |
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| 05:50.41 | Kraps | umad Torhal |
| 05:51.25 | Torhal | Kraps: Nowai, sirrah. Ackis is the one with Mad Cow disease. |
| 05:51.56 | Ackis | moo |
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| 05:56.14 | Kraps | yes he is |
| 05:56.18 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 05:56.47 | Adys | cookies to anyone who can tell me whether nvidia 270.26 supports the most recent 1.10 stack |
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| 06:06.17 | karl_w_w | hates installers that automatically put a shortcut on the desktop |
| 06:07.43 | mckenziemc | rm -rf ~/Desktop |
| 06:08.25 | amro | rm -rf ~mckenziemc/ |
| 06:09.22 | Torhal | file::access::purge by fire mckenziemc |
| 06:10.52 | Torhal | Ackis: You need to stop your de-virginization program. Chantelle is starting to become suspicious. |
| 06:10.53 | karl_w_w | oh wow |
| 06:11.11 | karl_w_w | microsoft have finally made a web installer that downloads and installs at the same time |
| 06:11.52 | karl_w_w | shame they couldnt work it out when people were still on dialup |
| 06:15.13 | mckenziemc | when you type "some_command arguments" into a bash shell, bash does the task of finding some_command, not the underlying operating system, right? |
| 06:17.03 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Re-read what you typed. It makes no sense to e. |
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| 06:17.14 | Torhal | s/e./me./ |
| 06:17.39 | mckenziemc | i don't understand why it doesn't make sense :( |
| 06:18.04 | mckenziemc | bash vs OS? |
| 06:19.11 | Jamash | well, your shell consults its own VFS layer, which then results in calls to the OS VFS, which then results in calls to the physical FS layer, which results in calls to the drivers, which results in commands issued to the hardware |
| 06:19.24 | Jamash | so the answer is "yes and no" |
| 06:20.02 | mckenziemc | which part is responsible for searching PATH to find the given executable |
| 06:20.06 | Jamash | oh, I left out the C standard library |
| 06:20.11 | Torhal | mckenziemc: It doesn't make sense because I apparently skipped some words. I took my own advice and re-read it. |
| 06:20.25 | mckenziemc | i'm wondering what kind of customization i can do to the process and need to know where to look |
| 06:20.41 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Your shell is responsible for PATH, |
| 06:20.43 | Jamash | the answer is "both" |
| 06:20.55 | Torhal | It passes that information to the OS. |
| 06:21.39 | Torhal | Or what Jamash said, |
| 06:21.42 | mckenziemc | does the concept of PATH only exist in the shell? |
| 06:21.47 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 06:21.54 | Jamash | your shell directs the process, the libraries translate the instructions to OS-speak, the OS carries it out |
| 06:22.04 | Torhal | The shell is the "Ev=nviroment enterpreter" |
| 06:22.13 | Jamash | however, changes to any part of the system can affect the outcome of the process |
| 06:22.37 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 06:22.51 | mckenziemc | i realize that :) |
| 06:23.14 | Jamash | for example, per-user mounts |
| 06:24.25 | Torhal | Drunkenness aside: "Environment interpreter" |
| 06:25.53 | mckenziemc | basically if i wanted to implement 'shortcuts' to programs, where the shortcut is located somewhere on PATH but the program itself isn't, i would have to put an executable script with the program's exact name on PATH and have it call the program, i assume |
| 06:26.08 | Jamash | or a symlink |
| 06:26.16 | mckenziemc | true |
| 06:26.32 | Torhal | Most likely, a symlink. |
| 06:26.47 | Jamash | unless you want to modify the command line before passing it on to the real program |
| 06:26.55 | Torhal | That's a direct route, whereas a script is an interpreted route. |
| 06:27.19 | mckenziemc | i want the real program to be able to detect its 'nominal' location |
| 06:27.32 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 06:27.41 | Jamash | it's fairly common to put ~/bin in your path |
| 06:27.45 | Torhal | It's "current working directory"? |
| 06:28.13 | Jamash | you mean the location of the intermediary script/symlink, or the location of the actual executable? |
| 06:28.27 | mckenziemc | i'm playing around with having a program with multiple files, it needs to know where its located in order to find those other files |
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| 06:28.38 | Jamash | you might want to look into how debian implements the "alternatives" system |
| 06:28.52 | mckenziemc | the symlink method would make it think it was actually located it PATH right? |
| 06:29.02 | mckenziemc | i'll google that |
| 06:29.23 | Kraps | penis |
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| 06:31.23 | Arrowmaster | a running script or executable can find the name it was run as, it might even be able to find the absolute path to the name it was run as, im not sure |
| 06:31.49 | Jamash | let's take a real example: "ln -s /bin/bash bosh; ./bosh; cd /proc/self; cat cmdline" produces the output "./bosh" |
| 06:32.21 | Arrowmaster | echo "$0" |
| 06:32.24 | mckenziemc | let me start an ubuntu vm so i can test in situ |
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| 06:32.38 | Jamash | echo "$0" also produces "./bosh" |
| 06:33.07 | Arrowmaster | well git does it somehow with hardlinks |
| 06:33.13 | Jamash | hardlinks are tricky |
| 06:33.17 | Jamash | very tricky |
| 06:33.23 | mckenziemc | problem is i want the program to have some way of figuring out it's actually located at /bin/bash |
| 06:33.37 | mckenziemc | obv in this case it's unnecessary, but pretend we're using a custom program |
| 06:33.54 | mckenziemc | calling* |
| 06:34.02 | Jamash | then use an intermediary script which calls the real program by its absolute path |
| 06:34.31 | Jamash | providing the location of the intermediary via an environment variable or command line argument if necessary |
| 06:34.53 | Jamash | also, don't do that |
| 06:35.19 | Torhal | injects mckenziemc with sodium thiopental. |
| 06:35.32 | mckenziemc | the other 'goal' i have is that the script doesn't need to know the full absolute path of the real program, but those goals are contradictory |
| 06:35.42 | Jamash | instead of trying some sort of goofy wizardry, just tell the program where its data files are explicitly |
| 06:36.24 | Arrowmaster | i really think git has this solved already with hardlinks |
| 06:36.35 | Jamash | what does git use hardlinks for? |
| 06:36.58 | Arrowmaster | because it has a directory where most the commands are at, the majority of them are all hardlinks to the same file but some arent, yet it can find them all |
| 06:37.04 | Jamash | oh, clever |
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| 06:37.36 | Jamash | so calling gitfoo provides an alias to git -foo |
| 06:37.47 | Jamash | or w/e |
| 06:37.51 | Arrowmaster | so there is /usr/bin/git and whatever the other one is which is something like /usr/share/git/libexec/git |
| 06:38.24 | Arrowmaster | but also /usr/share/git/libexec/git-commit and git-pull etc |
| 06:38.50 | Arrowmaster | one is a hardlink to that first executable and the other would be a different executable or script |
| 06:39.03 | Arrowmaster | but you can run git pull or git commit and it finds them |
| 06:39.29 | Arrowmaster | it also finds anything with a git-* name in your path when you run git * i think too |
| 06:40.04 | Jamash | ls reports one file with 93 links in /usr/lib/git-core and a bunch of files with one link each |
| 06:40.54 | Jamash | pretty sneaky sis |
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| 07:18.35 | Fisker | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:18.39 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
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| 07:20.02 | Shirik | just returned from work |
| 07:20.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/427/original-recipe |
| 07:20.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:20.13 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:20.13 | Shirik | 16 hour days are fun |
| 07:20.30 | Torhal | Fisker: Why the FUCK does it bother with shit like Celsius when the only distace measurement is "greater than 7 miles"? |
| 07:20.59 | Torhal | headbutts Fisker in the sternum. |
| 07:22.12 | Fisker | oh no |
| 07:24.45 | Torhal | NOES! |
| 07:24.45 | airtonix | serious cat is serious |
| 07:24.49 | amro | Torhal: aviation uses nm and that's what the db is for |
| 07:25.14 | airtonix | and cats use noms so thats what the nm is for |
| 07:25.36 | Torhal | amro: Sure. Destroy my reason for making fun of Fisker. |
| 07:25.51 | amro | you only have 217 of those left |
| 07:26.11 | Torhal | Out of 218! |
| 07:26.25 | airtonix | eets not enough |
| 07:26.47 | airtonix | runs off with Torhals other detachable leg |
| 07:26.49 | Torhal | Need MOAR! |
| 07:27.27 | Torhal | airtonix: Dude. I have two perfectly capable non-detachable legs. Who's legs ARE those? |
| 07:27.41 | amro | whose |
| 07:28.00 | airtonix | Torhal: yes, they said you would say that |
| 07:28.14 | airtonix | so i prepared this pamphlet for you |
| 07:28.16 | amro | ~sexleg airtonix |
| 07:28.16 | purl | airtonix has sex leg |
| 07:28.30 | airtonix | [So you've had your legs stolen?] |
| 07:28.39 | Torhal | amro: Don't fuck with a drunk man. Especially when he's poised to uleash a stadium-sized televised Fisker rage-face. |
| 07:29.10 | Torhal | s/uleash/unleash/ |
| 07:29.25 | airtonix | uleashd |
| 07:29.32 | airtonix | a daemon for leashing things |
| 07:29.36 | Torhal | airtonix: uleashed ur mom? |
| 07:29.58 | airtonix | sure, but it will cost you both your detachable arms |
| 07:30.13 | amro | this is veering off into exceedinly more awkward directions |
| 07:30.18 | amro | +g |
| 07:30.22 | Torhal | airtonix: Stop projecting. We all kniw about your detatchable penis. |
| 07:30.48 | airtonix | ok |
| 07:31.44 | Torhal | Bedtiemz, airtonix. Don't poison anyone whilst I slumber. |
| 07:32.39 | airtonix | indeed |
| 07:32.49 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:32.51 | Shirik | hi |
| 07:33.16 | Fisker | it's so cold Shirik |
| 07:33.26 | Shirik | I have 4 hot dogs |
| 07:33.31 | Shirik | they are not cold |
| 07:33.39 | Fisker | hot dogs in the us are crap |
| 07:34.02 | Fisker | come to denmark and i'll show you some real hot dogs |
| 07:34.03 | Torhal | Shirik: When was the last time you touched Minion code? People are prepared to behead Fisker with tree bark. |
| 07:34.07 | airtonix | yeah they aren't dogs to start with |
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| 07:34.20 | Shirik | mmm a couple weeks ago |
| 07:34.36 | Fisker | and you know what Shirik ? |
| 07:34.38 | Shirik | When's the last time I released minion code? A while |
| 07:34.42 | airtonix | Fisker: i bought your power supply today |
| 07:34.45 | Fisker | i have to go to work :( |
| 07:34.47 | Torhal | Fisker: How bad does it hurt? |
| 07:34.48 | Fisker | But it's cold |
| 07:34.51 | Fisker | and i want to sleep |
| 07:35.16 | Shirik | Torhal, there's a serious refactoring in progress that needs to be finished before any more progress can be made |
| 07:35.20 | Shirik | that takes time |
| 07:35.24 | Fisker | and i don't want to change the ip of like 200-300 switches, printers, access points, etc :( |
| 07:35.48 | airtonix | why do you need to ? |
| 07:35.56 | Torhal | Shirik: It was just a conversation piece. I hadn't tried Minion for two years since it kept eating my folder. |
| 07:36.06 | Fisker | They need to expand their address range |
| 07:36.36 | Torhal | Fisker: Tell them they ned o expand to the Comptons. |
| 07:36.42 | Fisker | no! |
| 07:36.59 | Torhal | Holy shit - either I'm massively drunk, or my keyboard has been invaded by Fisker. |
| 07:37.21 | Torhal | Fisker: East L.A.! |
| 07:37.26 | Fisker | no |
| 07:37.34 | Torhal | Fisker: Detroit? |
| 07:38.10 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:38.14 | Fisker | and now i have to go to work |
| 07:38.16 | Fisker | IN THE COLD :< |
| 07:38.21 | Fisker | brrrrr |
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| 07:39.51 | airtonix | Fisker: QQMOAR |
| 07:40.11 | airtonix | at least you have work, although not having work in your country is as bad as it is in usa |
| 07:40.20 | airtonix | three cheers for not living in the usa! |
| 07:42.09 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:42.16 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 07:42.26 | Shirik | oh wow that's cold o.o |
| 07:42.35 | Shirik | ~weather k4s2 |
| 07:42.47 | zenzio | ~weather encn |
| 07:42.58 | Shirik | no ty |
| 07:43.03 | Shirik | anything below freezing means I will die |
| 07:43.08 | zenzio | sounds like the same as København |
| 07:43.08 | Shirik | My blood will freeze |
| 07:43.19 | mckenziemc | how do i find the closest weather station to me |
| 07:43.30 | Shirik | know your airport |
| 07:43.50 | Shirik | if you're in the US, just tack a "K" onto the front of the FAA code |
| 07:43.56 | greppy | considers the temp getting UP to freezing to be a heatwave and an occaision to get out the shorts. |
| 07:44.03 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 07:44.09 | karl_w_w | ~weather YPPH |
| 07:44.12 | greppy | ~weather kmsn |
| 07:44.15 | mckenziemc | i don't know my airport >.> |
| 07:44.19 | Shirik | fail |
| 07:44.24 | Shirik | where are you |
| 07:44.27 | airtonix | mckenziemc: The Deathstar |
| 07:44.41 | zenzio | ~weather |
| 07:44.43 | mckenziemc | i'm googling it |
| 07:44.44 | airtonix | Weather : Always Perfect(tm) |
| 07:44.54 | Shirik | mckenziemc: Specifically what you want is an ICAO code |
| 07:45.07 | Arrowmaster | gee am i the only one using an airport with a blaint advertisement in the name |
| 07:45.21 | mckenziemc | Shirik: magalia CA, near Chico |
| 07:45.50 | Shirik | 2011/02/15 07:35 KCIC 150735Z AUTO 13012KT 10SM OVC038 12/10 A3007 RMK AO1 |
| 07:45.52 | Shirik | whoops |
| 07:45.58 | Shirik | KCIC |
| 07:46.16 | Shirik | ~weather KCIC |
| 07:46.22 | Shirik | does that sound reasonable? |
| 07:46.40 | Jamash | who programs purl? |
| 07:46.50 | Shirik | ~owner |
| 07:46.50 | purl | TimRiker is my owner |
| 07:46.58 | karl_w_w | next time we should all get a batch of airports and play top trumps with them |
| 07:47.10 | Shirik | wtf is top trumps |
| 07:47.33 | Jamash | I wish purl would respond to ~weather via private message instead of spamming the channel |
| 07:47.41 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Trumps |
| 07:53.37 | mckenziemc | ~wiki sodium thiopental |
| 07:54.10 | Shirik | 5-ethyl-4,6-dioxo-5-(pentan-2-yl)-1,4,5,6-tetrahydropyrimidin-2-yl |
| 07:54.10 | karl_w_w | what are you planning mckenziemc? |
| 07:54.23 | Shirik | only chemistry majors could come up with the notion that "2-yl" is a good suffix |
| 07:55.48 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: torhal told me it would make me happy and coerced me into taking some |
| 07:56.52 | zenzio | the wiki factoid is incredibly useful |
| 07:56.59 | karl_w_w | and are you happy? |
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| 08:30.03 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:30.12 | Shirik | (00:28:35)  -› Quit: OlEnglish (~me@wikipedia/OlEnglish) (Quit: Hey! Wait! Don't pick up the ph{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER) |
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| 08:44.05 | Adys | For those interested, nvidia is once again looking for linux engineers (since a week or so) |
| 08:44.06 | Adys | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61644 |
| 08:45.08 | Maldivia | pssh |
| 08:45.16 | airtonix | pssh your pssh |
| 08:46.03 | Kalroth | hssp |
| 08:47.41 | zenzio | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1862.png |
| 08:49.27 | mitch0 | is that a ref to that lame "boy-band" ? |
| 08:49.43 | Maldivia | love QC :) |
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| 09:00.23 | Adys | anyone familiar with intltool and/or configure and/or autoconf? |
| 09:00.29 | Adys | Maldivia, Shirik maybe? |
| 09:05.54 | Elkano | depends ofn the degree of familiar I'd say ;) |
| 09:06.47 | Maldivia | autoconf yeah |
| 09:07.05 | Maldivia | but it's been a while |
| 09:07.36 | Adys | I have a program that uses this to detect nls (--disable-nls): http://dpaste.com/418461/ -- but someone without gettext will get a syntax error on IT_PROG_INTLTOOL() in configure. any idea how to fix it? |
| 09:09.29 | Maldivia | hmm, dunno |
| 09:17.39 | Adys | kd3: fyi, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2389139&postcount=55 |
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| 09:21.22 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 09:21.35 | Adys | hai |
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| 09:31.34 | airtonix | kidnaps Fisker |
| 09:33.16 | Adys | xdg.Exceptions.ParsingError: ParsingError in file '/usr/kde/3.4/share/icons/hicolor/index.desktop', File not found |
| 09:33.20 | Adys | python-xdg is pathetic |
| 09:33.24 | Adys | its still using cvs, too |
| 09:33.25 | Adys | god |
| 09:34.00 | amro | kde3.4? cvs? |
| 09:34.06 | amro | are you also on aol? |
| 09:37.21 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.29 | Adys | shoot me a few cockheads |
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| 09:59.42 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/1554e053-dde4-4fd0-945b-e61135e4c62b.jpg |
| 10:00.51 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:01.26 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/02/sun-captured-angles/ |
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| 10:23.09 | bluspacecow | any hunters on ? does track beasts appear in your spell book or just on the tracking icon ? |
| 10:24.47 | airtonix | bluspacecow: star trek is stupid |
| 10:25.00 | bluspacecow | random comment is random |
| 10:25.06 | airtonix | case in point : ferenghi |
| 10:25.15 | bluspacecow | oh definatley |
| 10:25.24 | bluspacecow | star treks all "money doesn't exist" oh rly |
| 10:25.26 | bluspacecow | ferenghi |
| 10:25.39 | airtonix | furthermore |
| 10:25.45 | airtonix | ferenghi women |
| 10:25.53 | bluspacecow | go naked ! |
| 10:26.05 | airtonix | aparently it's required by law |
| 10:26.25 | airtonix | they are not allowed to wear anything |
| 10:26.29 | airtonix | vomits |
| 10:26.38 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 10:26.39 | bluspacecow | but |
| 10:26.46 | bluspacecow | no restriction on hair |
| 10:26.50 | bluspacecow | or jewellery |
| 10:26.58 | airtonix | "wear" |
| 10:27.02 | bluspacecow | wear a necklace that has an added robe on it |
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| 11:00.38 | mckenziemc | goodbye cruel world |
| 11:00.52 | mckenziemc | servers just went down for maintenance :( |
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| 12:05.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster, ping |
| 12:05.33 | Adys | or Dagmar actually |
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| 12:37.18 | Fisker | slaps Adys around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:37.38 | Adys | no |
| 12:37.44 | Adys | im compiling xorg |
| 12:37.47 | Adys | fucking pain in the ass |
| 12:37.47 | Kalroth | gl |
| 12:37.52 | Adys | yes |
| 12:37.53 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around with a large Adys. |
| 12:37.58 | Adys | im compiling xorg because of gl issues |
| 12:38.03 | Adys | nice one Kalroth |
| 12:38.15 | Kalroth | my stalker cam works |
| 12:38.36 | Adys | thanks to v4l |
| 12:39.19 | airtonix | what can i recompile? |
| 12:39.30 | Kalroth | a vb script |
| 12:39.47 | airtonix | why am i doing it ? |
| 12:39.54 | mckenziemc | ~why |
| 12:39.54 | purl | Because! |
| 12:54.30 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:54.35 | Kalroth | hej skat |
| 12:54.52 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:01.44 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:27.51 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: week long deal. |
| 13:37.49 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:38.02 | Fisker | did you buy portal 2? |
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| 13:41.44 | airtonix | did you ? |
| 13:43.56 | Fisker | of course airtonix |
| 13:43.59 | Fisker | did you Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:44.05 | airtonix | you will regret it |
| 13:44.14 | Fisker | i won't |
| 13:44.31 | airtonix | you already have |
| 13:44.44 | Fisker | i haven't |
| 13:44.57 | airtonix | you already did |
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| 13:47.50 | Fisker | i already haven't |
| 13:48.25 | airtonix | ok |
| 13:49.11 | airtonix | denial is the first stage of acceptance |
| 13:50.46 | Adys | cbreak: i don't get how the default pull branch for git works |
| 13:50.55 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no, i'm looking at it now |
| 13:51.03 | Adys | cbreak: i kept setting mine to origin/master for wine.git somehow, and now it's gone again |
| 13:51.10 | Adys | and i totally forgot how i set it in the first place |
| 13:51.16 | Thunder_Child | s/Kraps/Fisker/ |
| 13:51.19 | cbreak_work | git push -u will set it |
| 13:51.28 | Adys | cbreak: pull -u too? |
| 13:51.32 | Fisker | i hate it though Thunder_Child |
| 13:51.39 | airtonix | TOLD YOU |
| 13:51.42 | Fisker | didn't think they would put up a 2-pack |
| 13:51.43 | airtonix | you regret it |
| 13:51.47 | cbreak_work | Adys: no, for pull it's different |
| 13:51.53 | Adys | i dont use git push for this |
| 13:52.02 | Adys | only pull |
| 13:52.23 | cbreak_work | you can use push just to set the upstream |
| 13:52.31 | cbreak_work | you can also use git branch --set-upstream |
| 13:52.50 | Adys | adys@azura:~/src/wine$ git branch --set-upstream |
| 13:52.50 | Adys | * (no branch) |
| 13:52.50 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.10 | cbreak_work | Adys: grats, you have a detached head |
| 13:53.21 | cbreak_work | first you should git checkout master |
| 13:53.24 | Adys | hmm |
| 13:53.28 | cbreak_work | that would bring you back onto a branch |
| 13:53.34 | Adys | must have been some bad regression test leftovers |
| 13:53.42 | cbreak_work | git status |
| 13:53.42 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you hate it because they put up a 2-pack? |
| 13:53.52 | Adys | Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 133 commits, and can be fast-forwarded. |
| 13:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | I did nothing. |
| 13:54.29 | Adys | there we go :) |
| 13:54.30 | Adys | thanks |
| 13:55.11 | cbreak_work | np |
| 13:55.30 | cbreak_work | would be git branch --set-upstream master origin/master |
| 13:55.38 | cbreak_work | to set origin/master as your upstream |
| 13:56.30 | Adys | yep |
| 13:56.31 | Adys | thanks |
| 13:56.54 | cbreak_work | you never committed anything, right? |
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| 13:57.11 | cbreak_work | because switching from a detached head can lose committs |
| 13:57.28 | Adys | i had some dangling patch but needed to remove it anyway |
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| 14:01.02 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/#!5760660/there-is-a-dragon-age-series-and-it-stars-felicia-day |
| 14:04.02 | Adys | oh dude this is awesome |
| 14:04.30 | Adys | i even got proper resolutions, no more of the ubuntu hacks |
| 14:07.28 | Maldivia | Kraps: could potentially be quite nice |
| 14:16.26 | Lopeppeppy | Random question of randomness. I need some random obscure liqueur names. Go go go. |
| 14:17.09 | airtonix | liquor* |
| 14:17.18 | airtonix | http://liquor.com/ |
| 14:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | Both of them exist. |
| 14:17.31 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | What would you pour on me for flavor, blu? |
| 14:18.04 | bluspacecow | starberrie syrup |
| 14:18.12 | Maldivia | cherry bawls |
| 14:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | I have never heard of a starberrie! |
| 14:19.29 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 14:19.43 | bluspacecow | makes it even more specia; |
| 14:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | I've often been told that girls naturally taste of strawberries though. |
| 14:19.50 | bluspacecow | *special |
| 14:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | And I have a new favorite rum, Zacapa. |
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| 14:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | I absolutely hate editing some else's 10 year old kludgy website in Dreamweaver. Just sayin'. |
| 14:33.13 | airtonix | inb4lol |
| 14:33.33 | zenzio | lol |
| 14:33.34 | airtonix | >>>Dreamweaver<<< there's your problem |
| 14:33.35 | zenzio | curse you airtonix! |
| 14:33.49 | airtonix | You know what that movie is about ? |
| 14:33.55 | airtonix | definitely not good times |
| 14:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Dreamweaver is not my friend. We have a CMS on campus, but there are old prehistoric sites still out there. Argh. |
| 14:35.41 | airtonix | does it use the dreamweaver template system ? |
| 14:36.02 | airtonix | because that would be the only reason i'd consider using it |
| 14:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | It's been 10 years, if it ever used a standard, that's blown out of the water now. |
| 14:38.21 | Lopeppeppy | I have someon's little scribbled notes in the margins of a printed version of the page, not even URLs. And they didn't print all the pages and do markups on each one, oh no. Some pages actually contain markups for 2 or three pages, with circles and lines and nuclear explosions to show what to do where... |
| 14:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hate. First I interpret the scribbles a little, then I go find the putative code and figure it out, then I try to implement the scribbles. :) |
| 14:39.49 | airtonix | brb commiting suicide |
| 14:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple make me insane, they truly do. |
| 14:40.35 | airtonix | aha but |
| 14:41.06 | airtonix | too tired |
| 14:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, same here. *grin* |
| 14:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn-lady, if you ever have the chance to get your hands on some Zacapa Solera Gran Reserva rum, take the bottle and run like the wind, to enjoy at your leisure. |
| 14:42.45 | zenzio | is that dark rum? |
| 14:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a white rum, it is spiced and aged. It's like... liquid heaven. It's a straight sipping rum, versus my favorite Morgans, which is a good mixing rum. |
| 14:44.48 | Lopeppeppy | Zacapa is expensive as all hell, but omg so very worth it! |
| 14:45.08 | zenzio | will have to try to remember that when my Morgan's runs out |
| 14:46.22 | Lopeppeppy | It can't replace Morgans, because it's more for sipping a shot than for drinking it or mixing it. But OMG I have to see if my local store can order a bottle. |
| 14:46.46 | zenzio | I see, in that case I'll just have to check if they carry it here |
| 14:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nummy licious. |
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| 14:54.57 | Ackis | http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/Virtual+proposal+ends+with+real+ring/4283071/story.html |
| 14:55.01 | Ackis | nerds! |
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| 14:55.53 | Thunder_Child | http://www.neweggmall.com/ that doesnt seem shady or anything |
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| 15:09.10 | Fisker | i disagree Kraps |
| 15:11.14 | Ackis | ilu Fisker |
| 15:11.27 | airtonix | marry me? |
| 15:11.55 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 15:13.14 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:13.39 | Fisker | i want to in your while in whipped cream |
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| 15:22.25 | Ackis | sweet |
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| 15:31.58 | Ackis | toaster baths Fisker |
| 15:32.04 | Fisker | poos |
| 15:33.46 | Ackis | in the bath? ewww |
| 15:33.59 | airtonix | it's normal |
| 15:34.05 | airtonix | since Fisker is indian |
| 15:34.07 | Kraps|work | if only an fbi investigator was here to see this deviance |
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| 15:36.45 | airtonix | there is |
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| 15:37.35 | Ackis | Fisker: I once washed my visa |
| 15:37.56 | airtonix | does that give you a better credit rating ? |
| 15:38.06 | Ackis | nah it just cleans my credit score |
| 15:38.12 | Ackis | (and makes the chip no longer work) |
| 15:38.25 | Ackis | (and makes me get yelled at by my better half for not emptying my pants pockets) |
| 15:38.34 | Ackis | (and makes me run out of wow time and not have a way to resub) |
| 15:38.35 | Fisker | baw baw |
| 15:38.39 | Fisker | get a new one Ackis |
| 15:38.42 | Kraps|work | sorry to break yo you airtonix but you are not an fbi investigator |
| 15:38.45 | Fisker | and how do you run out of wow time? |
| 15:38.53 | Ackis | (and make me call visa up saying I need a replacement because imma dumbass) |
| 15:38.59 | Ackis | (and makes me type like this) |
| 15:39.07 | airtonix | Kraps|work: sorry to break it to you but you are not a good deductor of assumptions |
| 15:39.18 | Fisker | TELL ME ACKIS |
| 15:39.27 | airtonix | assumptions a dectective does not make |
| 15:40.22 | Ackis | tell you what Fisker? |
| 15:40.25 | airtonix | (suddenly...) |
| 15:40.27 | Ackis | that I love you? |
| 15:40.39 | Ackis | Fisker: I said I loved you but I lied |
| 15:41.40 | Fisker | why you would run out of wow time |
| 15:41.45 | Kraps|work | airtonix: im batman |
| 15:41.56 | Ackis | anyone want a beta key for dragon age legends (their facebook game) |
| 15:42.00 | Fisker | no |
| 15:42.02 | Fisker | facebook sucks |
| 15:42.07 | Ackis | the game sucks too |
| 15:43.42 | Fisker | the math checks out Ackis |
| 15:45.34 | airtonix | touches fiskers daemon |
| 15:46.31 | Yith | But Felicia Day is yummy |
| 15:47.20 | Kraps|work | imma split you from your daemon airtonix |
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| 15:48.38 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: why do you need a replacement? |
| 15:49.14 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I got my key, and 2 extras, I gave one to Chantelle so I figured there were some dragon age fans here I could give my extra key to. |
| 15:49.29 | Arrowmaster | i would consider breaking the rfid chip in a credit card an improvement |
| 15:49.37 | Yith | I'd only use it to look at Felicia Day's avatar |
| 15:49.42 | Yith | so don't give it to mer |
| 15:51.01 | Yith | btw I had forgotten how much I like WinMerge, this has no relation to anything other than I love it and Felicia Day |
| 15:51.19 | Kraps|work | settle down Yith |
| 15:51.44 | Yith | did I mentiont hat I like WinMerge? |
| 15:52.46 | Kraps|work | i dont know what that is |
| 15:52.58 | Kraps|work | i do know what a Felicia Day is |
| 15:53.29 | Ackis | Kraps|work: STD delivery system |
| 15:53.43 | foxlit | gr, css |
| 15:54.46 | Kraps|work | Ackis: Sexy and Terribly Delicious? |
| 15:54.56 | Ackis | no |
| 15:55.00 | Ackis | I don't find her sexy =/ |
| 15:55.06 | foxlit | Suppose I expand a div when you hover over it -- :hover has a larger width/height |
| 15:55.44 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 15:56.21 | kneeki | I would eat her up. |
| 15:56.24 | foxlit | I can't seem to programmatically force it to shrink, though -- shrinking it so it's no longer hovered over, and then restoring to defaults returns it to hovered state, not the normal state :( |
| 15:56.42 | Fisker | as would i kneeki literally |
| 15:56.59 | kneeki | She strikes the same vein in me that Emma Watson does. It's odd - I'm not sure what it is about either of them. |
| 15:57.15 | airtonix | foxlit: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 15:57.23 | airtonix | :> |
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| 15:57.40 | mitch0 | esr is mostly stupid |
| 15:57.53 | airtonix | so is your face |
| 15:58.07 | Ackis | emma watson is pretty but she's too young |
| 15:58.13 | Fisker | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1068565/ <-lolol i giggl'd foxlit |
| 15:58.28 | Kraps|work | kneeki: Emma Watson is british so theres that |
| 15:58.32 | Fisker | baww |
| 15:58.38 | Fisker | Born: Susanna Andén |
| 15:58.38 | Fisker | June 7, 1978 in Stockholm, Stockholms län, Sweden |
| 15:58.41 | Fisker | that's no fun |
| 15:58.45 | kneeki | True |
| 15:58.47 | Fisker | jerk |
| 15:59.01 | foxlit | airtonix: that's nice, I suppose. On the other hand, maybe not. |
| 15:59.25 | airtonix | foxlit: me too, once i then acccidentally |
| 16:00.08 | foxlit | You don't have a clue, then? :) |
| 16:01.13 | airtonix | not without code obviously |
| 16:02.32 | airtonix | but i imagine it's a matter of how you are ordering your css rules |
| 16:03.04 | foxlit | Then I'm sorry for not making things clear |
| 16:03.07 | foxlit | CSS in itself is fine |
| 16:03.37 | foxlit | Expands/shrinks as it should; I don't have an issue on that side. The problem is that I sometimes want to revert the element to its shrunk state using JS. |
| 16:04.09 | foxlit | So I'm figuring "hey, let's resize it so it's no longer hovered over, the browser should realize :hover no longer applies, then remove our forced resize and it should stay shrunk per the non-:hover style" |
| 16:04.13 | airtonix | a default state ? |
| 16:05.24 | airtonix | yeah too tired to help without a code example |
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| 16:08.10 | foxlit | airtonix: http://go-hero.net/temp/shrink << have fun :) |
| 16:13.18 | Kraps|work | how old is felicia day? |
| 16:13.34 | Ackis | luls "My right hand will be my valentine" "Looks like you've found Mrs. Right" |
| 16:15.02 | Arrowmaster | Kraps|work: 30ish |
| 16:16.26 | Dagmar | Old enough and then some |
| 16:17.05 | airtonix | foxlit: any reason why you're not using jquery to make it easier for you to cover all browsers ? |
| 16:18.02 | Arrowmaster | he probably wants to do it without javascript? |
| 16:18.06 | foxlit | Hm, actually, cached link. |
| 16:18.39 | airtonix | that shrink box also shrinks back to default state when mousing out on chrome |
| 16:18.42 | foxlit | airtonix: strikes me as a sufficiently simple problem -- it's hardly rocket surgery |
| 16:18.53 | airtonix | it will be |
| 16:19.05 | airtonix | when you have to cover the other browsers quirks |
| 16:19.15 | Zhinjio | dolby: ping |
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| 16:19.26 | foxlit | Meh, unlikely. |
| 16:20.43 | airtonix | but anyway |
| 16:21.05 | airtonix | you should store the style.width in a custom property of the element before you change it |
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| 16:21.37 | airtonix | then restore that value on mouse out |
| 16:22.56 | foxlit | :/ |
| 16:23.12 | airtonix | your js never does anything too |
| 16:23.26 | airtonix | well nothing meaningful |
| 16:23.34 | foxlit | [you might have to refresh the page] |
| 16:23.41 | airtonix | no |
| 16:24.19 | airtonix | i mean the actions that the css rules invoke, hide what ever might occur as a result of your js |
| 16:25.03 | Zhinjio | dolby: nevermind, found it. |
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| 16:25.41 | foxlit | airtonix: I'm not sure what you mean; what you're saying doesn't match what my browser is doing. |
| 16:25.51 | airtonix | what is your browser ? |
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| 16:26.14 | foxlit | chrome. |
| 16:26.24 | airtonix | yeah well i hover over the grey box |
| 16:26.27 | airtonix | it expands |
| 16:26.32 | airtonix | i move the mouse away |
| 16:26.37 | airtonix | it retracts |
| 16:26.43 | airtonix | nthing else |
| 16:27.14 | airtonix | clicking shrink does nothing |
| 16:27.35 | foxlit | Again, you might have to refresh the page; server side cache on that one |
| 16:27.38 | airtonix | no |
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| 16:27.48 | airtonix | it's because you're only coding for chrome |
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| 16:28.43 | airtonix | well actually |
| 16:28.47 | airtonix | i had no script on |
| 16:28.52 | airtonix | :S |
| 16:28.59 | Kraps|work | wonder what would happen if i used "Emma Watson" as a bill reference number |
| 16:29.04 | mckenziemc1 | ~facepalm |
| 16:29.04 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 16:29.07 | airtonix | but anyway on chrome clicking it makes it shrink |
| 16:29.16 | airtonix | for a millisecond |
| 16:29.23 | TC-Work | Kraps|work: nothing? |
| 16:29.39 | Kraps|work | TC-Work: really? |
| 16:30.06 | foxlit | It works as I expect on firefox, ie. |
| 16:30.08 | TC-Work | Kraps|work: yes, as i assume it would not work |
| 16:30.17 | TC-Work | since the field should only accept numbers |
| 16:30.18 | foxlit | I'm not sure what you're testing on, or why you'd assume I'm using anything chrome-specific |
| 16:30.22 | TC-Work | or it's a bad field |
| 16:32.02 | Kraps|work | TC-Work: quickbooks allows letters in that field |
| 16:32.32 | TC-Work | Kraps|work: you can customize fields in quickbooks i think. |
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| 16:41.36 | kd3|netbook | where, in my car? don't want to drive home and back (45 min each way) |
| 16:41.58 | Kazie | Anyone know about some awesome tooltip addon? |
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| 16:45.02 | mckenziemc | Adys: I recall you asking recently if anyone still had the cataclysm beta installer, and if they could check a file for you. I just found an old dvd-rw that has the beta installer; do you still need the info? |
| 16:45.25 | Adys | mckenziemc: not the cataclysm |
| 16:45.27 | Adys | the vanilla one |
| 16:45.36 | TC-Work | kd3|netbook: thats still 2-1/2 hours of sleeping |
| 16:46.06 | nevcairiel | Or just sleep in the car already |
| 16:46.07 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 16:46.08 | kd3|netbook | but not worth fighting traffic+road construction... |
| 16:46.16 | kd3|netbook | maybe I could talk my way into some freshman's dorm room? |
| 16:46.39 | TC-Work | female dorm room would be better |
| 16:46.54 | kd3|netbook | that was the implied type, yes |
| 16:46.58 | TC-Work | but then there would be a lack of sleep as well |
| 16:47.10 | Dagmar | If you carry a backpack, you can generally sleep in the library |
| 16:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, go to the damn library. :P |
| 16:47.30 | Dagmar | People don't generally question seeing someone passed out with a book open |
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| 16:54.17 | cogwheel | :O @ "my realms" tab on the realm status page |
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| 17:10.14 | Kazie | Anyone know how come my camera is not centered on my character when in a vehicle? .. it looks like that :s http://wow.kazie.dk/billeder/misplacedvehiclecam.jpg |
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| 17:16.58 | cogwheel | any vehicle or particular vehicles? |
| 17:17.16 | cogwheel | because it's supposed to be like that for particular vehicles to give you what the designers think is the best PoV |
| 17:17.25 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 17:17.29 | Fisker | i lulzd |
| 17:17.39 | cogwheel | im glad 4u |
| 17:17.55 | Fisker | get this cogwheel |
| 17:18.09 | Fisker | on the android market comments are automatically displayed for the appropiate language of the user |
| 17:18.47 | Fisker | so imagine my lulz when i see a comment stating something like "All the other users are retarded since they don't realize the developer isn't danish" |
| 17:18.48 | Fisker | hohohoho |
| 17:18.53 | Fisker | free lulz |
| 17:18.55 | Fisker | for free |
| 17:20.19 | Fisker | LULZ WITH ME OR DIE |
| 17:20.36 | Kazie | cogwheel: Any, it's always like this when i'm in a vehicle. Really sick of it ;O |
| 17:20.38 | Fisker | i mean hello cogwheel |
| 17:24.13 | Kraps|work | terrible Fisker |
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| 17:26.27 | Derabo | hey everyone. I dont find a documentation for dropDown Menus in lua. please tell me I dont have to use xml :> |
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| 17:28.22 | cogwheel | just use the same templates in CreateFrame |
| 17:28.48 | Derabo | hmmm so its possible, right? :) |
| 17:28.51 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 17:28.55 | Fisker | lulz with me |
| 17:29.13 | cogwheel | nearly everything that you can express in XML can be directly expressed in Lua |
| 17:29.21 | cogwheel | except the built-in system for virtual frames |
| 17:29.26 | cogwheel | and a couple other minor things |
| 17:29.32 | Derabo | ok. thank you! |
| 17:30.01 | Kraps|work | i cant Fisker im at work |
| 17:30.09 | Kraps|work | work is srs bssnss |
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| 17:41.14 | kneeki | Does blizzard give the current quest status on a unitId via their API? Or am I going to have to scan the tooltip for it? ea: <6/7 necklaces looted> on tooltip |
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| 17:42.17 | jnwhiteh | afaik its only available on tooltip |
| 17:42.23 | jnwhiteh | although a QUEST_LOG_UPDATE event DOES fire |
| 17:42.26 | kneeki | That's what I was thinking as well |
| 17:42.28 | jnwhiteh | so you can communicate changes |
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| 18:12.19 | foxlit | FFA SC2 games: the biggest incentive to cry "UNFAIR!!!!!!!1111" ever |
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| 18:16.34 | Kraps|work | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808506/ ? |
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| 18:26.46 | cogwheel | wow... minecraft seems to have a horrible memory leak |
| 18:27.01 | nicoli_s | cogwheel:thats just java |
| 18:27.07 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: minecraft has never crashed after 10 minutes of walking in one direction |
| 18:27.07 | cogwheel | for me |
| 18:27.09 | cogwheel | after accumulating ~1.5gb of ram usage |
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| 18:27.23 | cogwheel | station |
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| 18:28.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
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| 18:30.02 | cogwheel | station_ |
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| 18:30.18 | Lunessa_ | WTF, Trillian. Why you disconnect/reconnect meh? |
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| 18:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | Freenode has been into some uncool heinousness today with splits, Trillian has thrown up her hands in disgust. |
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| 18:31.55 | Lunessa_ | ah. |
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| 18:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | my Trillian has been more forgiving, but she's getting a bit surly. |
| 18:36.06 | Kraps|work | i heard this is encyclopedic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_worst |
| 18:36.29 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/new_memory_leak_in_minecraft_client |
| 18:36.31 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:36.56 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 18:37.05 | Fisker | i think minecraft is shit |
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| 18:37.26 | Fisker | ican't handle thousands of blocks dynamite without it freezing |
| 18:37.33 | Fisker | it can't* |
| 18:37.35 | cogwheel | Fisker: ido2 |
| 18:37.39 | cogwheel | wtb C++ version |
| 18:38.08 | cogwheel | at least the rendering engine |
| 18:39.35 | Fisker | btw cogwheel |
| 18:39.38 | Fisker | i lulz'd |
| 18:39.50 | Cide | Tucker: not much, about to make dinner |
| 18:39.53 | Cide | whoops |
| 18:39.54 | Cide | mt |
| 18:40.00 | Fisker | Some law student here concluded that ad blockers were violating copyright |
| 18:40.25 | Cide | mt |
| 18:40.33 | Cide | god damn |
| 18:41.10 | Fisker | that's what Cide said |
| 18:41.11 | Ackis | cogwheel: I bought minecraft |
| 18:41.22 | Ackis | I'm making a giant golden wang. |
| 18:41.22 | Fisker | you are a horrible person |
| 18:41.30 | cogwheel | locks down his SMP server |
| 18:42.04 | Lunessa_ | Ackis: This shocks no one. |
| 18:42.22 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:42.32 | Fisker | Ackis is a horrible person |
| 18:44.25 | solo|work | Ackis: <3 |
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| 18:45.24 | Ackis | the giant golden wang was on some review of minecraft |
| 18:45.27 | Ackis | escapist? |
| 18:45.38 | Fisker | you are a horrible person |
| 18:47.33 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:47.34 | Ackis | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft |
| 18:47.40 | Fisker | Ackis you are a horrible person |
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| 18:49.59 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 18:50.12 | Fisker | if you don't prepurchase portal 2 now you will forever be a horrible person |
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| 18:53.29 | cogwheel | Ackis: i lol'd |
| 18:54.29 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 18:54.31 | Fisker | if you don't prepurchase portal 2 now you will forever be a horrible person |
| 18:54.40 | cogwheel | FOREVAR! |
| 18:54.49 | Fisker | yes |
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| 18:55.44 | Ackis | is Up to 100 Mbps download speed/5 Mbps upload w/ 350 gigs of data transfer for $150 a month a good price? |
| 18:56.04 | Adys | no |
| 18:56.31 | Cide | I pay ~$15 a month for 100 / 10, no limit |
| 18:56.49 | Ackis | bleh |
| 18:57.01 | Cide | so move to sweden |
| 18:57.01 | kd3|hate`net | pays entirely too much for 1.5/128 |
| 18:57.03 | kd3|hate`net | curse you, boondocks internet |
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| 19:00.12 | nicoli_s | you get your internet from a cartoon strip? |
| 19:00.50 | kd3|netbook | that would be interesting/scary |
| 19:02.03 | Fisker | kd3|netbook btw |
| 19:02.06 | Fisker | you should buy portal 2 |
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| 19:02.12 | kd3|netbook | what makes you think I haven't? |
| 19:02.13 | Fisker | or you are a horrible person unfortunately |
| 19:02.23 | Fisker | well i think you are a horrible person right now |
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| 19:02.57 | kd3|netbook | what makes right now different from usual? |
| 19:02.57 | Fisker | it's like the cornerstone of the american law |
| 19:03.03 | Fisker | horrible until proven tolerable |
| 19:03.42 | Fisker | i only get like 1 blizzard-related spam mail each day now :( |
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| 19:04.15 | Fisker | even the spammers hate e |
| 19:05.22 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 19:05.27 | Fisker | so did you prepurchase portal 2? |
| 19:05.44 | kd3|netbook | yep |
| 19:05.51 | Fisker | then you are pretty awesome |
| 19:06.02 | Fisker | unlike Ackis |
| 19:09.31 | Ackis | :( |
| 19:09.36 | Kraps|work | Fisker: |
| 19:09.45 | Kraps|work | u r a lol |
| 19:12.32 | Ackis | s/lol/dickhead/ |
| 19:12.56 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:19.35 | Kraps|work | a trout Ackis bit with large slaps around a Fisker |
| 19:22.16 | Ackis | why so mean to me Fisker? |
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| 19:45.21 | Kraps|work | Fiskis |
| 19:46.23 | Fisker | slaps Kraps|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:49.01 | kneeki | Do I need to do something special before I can: GameTooltip:SetBackdropColor(.8, .3, .3, .9) |
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| 19:57.22 | Kraps|work | we got scooters! |
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| 19:59.10 | kd3|netbook | scooters? |
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| 20:05.07 | Ackis | my dealership wants to buy my 2009 Journey from me, and give me a brand new 2010 journey without increasing payment or anything |
| 20:06.28 | Ackis | can't wait to see what their final offer will be |
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| 20:08.17 | Ackis | Shirik: "Today, I spent three and a half hours creating a Wikipedia page for myself. Three minutes after publishing, it was deleted due to me being a "Non-notable person nobody's ever heard of." FML" did you do that? :P |
| 20:08.24 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: probably reseting your contract though so they have you for atleast another year |
| 20:09.22 | Ackis | I'm not on a lease, but yeah |
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| 20:12.05 | Kraps|work | Ackis: sounds like that guy knows policy and did it anyway |
| 20:12.09 | Fisker | slaps Kraps|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.26 | Fisker | pen9s Ackis |
| 20:16.15 | amro | Cide / Shirik / Ackis: is there a good resource for holy priests? |
| 20:17.17 | Kraps|work | amro: there are good resources for disc priests |
| 20:17.51 | Fisker | i want you Kraps|work |
| 20:19.50 | Kraps|work | valentines day was yesterday Fisker |
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| 20:21.20 | Cide | amro: mana |
| 20:21.36 | Cide | but I dunno |
| 20:21.51 | Cide | there's a decent topic on elitist jerks about ratings and stuff |
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| 20:22.24 | amro | I was thinking something more along the lines of tkasomething |
| 20:22.37 | Cide | no idea what that is |
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