| 00:00.03 | cog|away | jnwhiteh: it was a good thing i forgot to get in that cart i just sent down the ramp... there was a creeper down there! |
| 00:01.51 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: and now we watch as p2p dies as all the consumer ISPs put customers behind NATs |
| 00:03.35 | Kraps | More top stories stories |
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| 00:09.12 | Kraps | TC-Work: http://store.steampowered.com/app/57700/ |
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| 00:12.17 | bleeter | zenzelezz: er yeah |
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| 00:21.32 | amro | ~bleeter++ |
| 00:22.20 | Kraps | NEXT EPISODE IF THE INSTANCE IS THE LAST FOR RANDY JORDAN |
| 00:22.48 | amro | kraps lock |
| 00:22.50 | amro | err caps lock |
| 00:22.51 | Kraps | and thats in caps because i had already typed it out when i noticed |
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| 00:26.00 | Jamash | I bet what's going to happen is every country other than the US will implement ip6 and then that will free up all the ip4 addresses they're not using anymore and then the US will never make the switch |
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| 00:27.16 | amro | I bet what's going to happen is every country is going to bank on something like that |
| 00:28.43 | bleeter | meh, RFC 15xx somewhere decries the use of 10. private.Too bad. |
| 00:29.21 | Jamash | amro: but the US will get away with it |
| 00:29.40 | Jamash | see: adoption of SI units |
| 00:29.59 | amro | units aren't zerosum |
| 00:30.18 | bleeter | if by 'get away' you mean 'the rest of the world will have another excuse to laugh', sure |
| 00:30.48 | Jamash | the good 'ol USA has the problem that often we invent technologies and then get stuck with the oldest possible version of it |
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| 00:41.38 | kd3 | waits for leo's email announcing the news... |
| 00:44.02 | kd3 | whup, there's the nanog thread... where's the announcement? |
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| 00:46.58 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: yes, that's what they all say |
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| 01:00.41 | foxlit | hm, 15/22/14 terran/zerg/protoss wins :/ |
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| 01:04.51 | Kraps | hi its vince with shamwow |
| 01:06.45 | clever | Arrowmaster: ive run into a few guys online who are already behind NAT's |
| 01:07.05 | clever | they cant play the online game for free because the ISP is forcing them to share ip's with others |
| 01:07.24 | Jerub | clever: that's interesting. what games? |
| 01:07.40 | clever | astro empires is setup so you must pay if you want to share IP with somebody |
| 01:07.45 | clever | to detur being a multi |
| 01:08.06 | foxlit | clearly the game's fault. |
| 01:08.13 | clever | if you have the IP to yourself, paying is optional (no ad's, limits removed ingame) |
| 01:08.36 | Jerub | what foxlit said. |
| 01:08.58 | Arrowmaster | the good news is that there are ways of getting around the biggest NAT problem, not being able to port forward or more specifically not being able to make a connection between two hosts both behind NATs |
| 01:09.23 | clever | udp hole punching can work around that some |
| 01:09.24 | Arrowmaster | but every app must add support for it |
| 01:10.16 | Jerub | ipv4 will work for email and web browsing forever. |
| 01:10.21 | clever | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 01:10.30 | amro | Kraps: out of jail? |
| 01:10.32 | Jerub | only applications that today require port forwards will be affected by large scale deployment of carrier nat |
| 01:10.42 | clever | the only place ive seen udp hole punching being actively used was a VPN app |
| 01:11.03 | Arrowmaster | theres udp and tcp hole punching |
| 01:11.16 | clever | never seen it with tcp |
| 01:11.25 | amro | there's also the far more common three hole punchine |
| 01:11.27 | amro | -e+g |
| 01:11.28 | Kraps | amro: he likes totalbiscuits videos |
| 01:11.40 | Arrowmaster | seen options for it in some p2p and even im clients |
| 01:11.53 | clever | udp just relies on just sending a packet out on put x, causing x to get forwarded back in automaticaly, from any source |
| 01:12.02 | Arrowmaster | and heard about the possibility of some console games even using it |
| 01:12.12 | Jerub | clever: it's super nasty with tcp and won't work with all nats |
| 01:12.22 | clever | tcp punching would rely much more heavily on the conntrack setup in the nat |
| 01:12.43 | clever | Jerub: thought so |
| 01:12.59 | Jerub | clever: it requires a third party to organise synthetic sequence numbers |
| 01:13.08 | Jerub | and the host to have full control of the tcp stack |
| 01:13.24 | clever | yeah, to open a connection without the usual syn+ack handshake |
| 01:13.48 | Jerub | well, both sides have to send valid syn, syn+ack handshakes so that conntrack on both sides believe they both initiated the connection |
| 01:14.11 | clever | the udp punching in hamachi is basicaly the same, a 3rd party is used to find what ip/port the person is on and has punched open |
| 01:14.38 | Arrowmaster | thats how all hole punching is done |
| 01:14.51 | clever | ah, so neither side actualy accepts a connection, they both send one out |
| 01:15.03 | clever | and due to the syn numbers being pre-arranged, it fits together |
| 01:15.15 | clever | seq* |
| 01:15.44 | amro | isn't there something in UPnP about forwarding? |
| 01:16.04 | clever | amro: that uses upnp to ask the router to forward a port |
| 01:16.06 | Arrowmaster | yes but no carrier level NAT will provide UPnP |
| 01:16.53 | amro | oh, I thought you were talking about router NATs |
| 01:16.55 | amro | carry on |
| 01:17.20 | Arrowmaster | well they are all the same |
| 01:17.37 | Arrowmaster | and technically none of them are NATs at all, they are PATs |
| 01:17.48 | clever | Pats? |
| 01:17.59 | Arrowmaster | port address translation |
| 01:18.03 | clever | ah |
| 01:18.17 | clever | yeah, you would have to munge the ports alot too |
| 01:18.43 | clever | it would only be NAT if you gave each customer a private ip |
| 01:19.37 | SqueeG|Work | ... why is there no easy way to replace the text of a <label> -.- |
| 01:19.58 | Arrowmaster | a proper NAT is a 1-to-1 of mapping external addresses to internal address where the only thing changed is the addresses in the headers, PAT is a 1-to-many of mapping 1 external address to many internal addresses where additional things have to be changed like ports |
| 01:20.18 | Arrowmaster | but the term has been hijacked |
| 01:20.26 | clever | ah |
| 01:20.41 | amro | like 'hacker' and 'lollipop' |
| 01:21.09 | clever | -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:21.19 | clever | the exact rule i'm using for most outgoing traffic |
| 01:22.45 | bleeter | UPnP forwarding? ungh |
| 01:22.58 | Arrowmaster | its been hijacked worse than others since nobody uses it to refer to the original meaning and nobody uses the term PAT |
| 01:22.59 | Jerub | UPnP is a non-starter for carrier-nat |
| 01:23.45 | Jerub | or, in fact, any network other than a home one |
| 01:23.56 | Jamash | I suppose the reluctance to convert to ip6 is on the level of "it would cost money" rather than "it would be technically difficult"? |
| 01:24.23 | Corrodias | maybe, although i've been wondering how we'd deal with all those programs that assume ipv4 is the only thing |
| 01:24.25 | Jerub | Jamash: also, actually impossible until cisco and juniper work out the stupid bugs in their software. |
| 01:24.47 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: ? |
| 01:24.52 | Jerub | Jamash: i'm aware of NZ isps not deploying ipv6 because they can't account for how much bandwidth their customers use. |
| 01:25.10 | clever | that reminds me, blizzard should implement SPF, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
| 01:25.25 | clever | basicaly, its a list of domains authorized to send mail from *@blizzard.com |
| 01:25.47 | Jamash | Jerub: I was helping a friend connect his cisco wifi dongle to his cisco wifi router, and it wouldn't work until I disabled the software that came with the dongle |
| 01:25.48 | Arrowmaster | clever: it actually wouldnt help that much |
| 01:25.51 | Jerub | in australia, internode is running beta versions of IOS on a select few ADSL DSLAMs so they can actually beta test ipv6 deployments. |
| 01:26.06 | clever | Arrowmaster: it would force the spammers to use another domain in the email, which makes it easy for my email client to filter |
| 01:26.14 | Arrowmaster | not true |
| 01:26.22 | clever | assuming my ISP uses SPF |
| 01:26.23 | Arrowmaster | SPF has nothing to do with the From: header |
| 01:26.24 | Jerub | Jamash: you're talking about consumer devices, i'm talking about real infrastructure that has to be in place and working reliably before a product can be provided to customers. |
| 01:26.44 | clever | Arrowmaster: if i understand it correctly, the MAIL FROM at the smtp level gets embeded automaticaly by the server |
| 01:26.45 | Jerub | clever: it's already implemented, and they're correctly using -all instead of ?all |
| 01:27.08 | clever | hmmm, let me look into the headers of this last phishing email then |
| 01:27.19 | Arrowmaster | clever: and the majority of spam and phishing emails do not spoof the MAIL FROM so they would still pass SPF |
| 01:27.38 | clever | Received: from [222.112.230.100] (helo=zkbxhlaun.com) by localhost with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <kvv@zkbxhlaun.com>) id 1Pi5VT-0007Mq-0d for hidden ; Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:33:56 +0000 |
| 01:27.59 | Jamash | Jerub: I'm just saying if cisco devices can't even talk to each other when cisco software is enabled then I can see why isps might be having trouble with them |
| 01:28.07 | clever | Arrowmaster: so it would send MAIL FROM spammer@spam.r.us and then From: noreply@blizzard.com? |
| 01:28.08 | Jerub | Jamash: oh right. |
| 01:28.31 | Jerub | i'm running native ipv6 at home now, but my isp is very much ahead of the game |
| 01:28.46 | Jamash | my isp is at&t -_- |
| 01:29.06 | Jamash | I expect them to implement ip6 shortly before armageddon |
| 01:29.11 | Arrowmaster | clever: right, just make a filter in your email that checks the return-path header and if the From is @blizzard.com and the return-path isnt, trash it |
| 01:29.38 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: return-path is easy to forge, |
| 01:29.42 | clever | Arrowmaster: i'm actualy running a fairly dumb email client on my wow address, it cant even handle MIME headers |
| 01:30.06 | clever | all the spam is 5 pages of base64, real blizz emails are true plain text |
| 01:30.19 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: yeah but the majority dont even try to forge it |
| 01:30.42 | Arrowmaster | in fact the majority cant forge it because they are sending from a webmail like hotmail |
| 01:30.57 | clever | this one doesn appear to be hotmail based |
| 01:31.00 | clever | X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 13, 102, 15 [cn] |
| 01:31.40 | Arrowmaster | i think the hotmail spam may have died down but for a while it was one of the top sources |
| 01:31.55 | Corrodias | majorities are worth thinking about, but you can't ignore the rest |
| 01:32.26 | clever | Arrowmaster: the bigest screwup i can see, is that they are sending text/plain and text/html versions of the email |
| 01:32.44 | clever | the text/plain tells me to visit www.blizzard.com/support, a perfectly safe url |
| 01:33.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah but most people dont even get an option to just view text/plain |
| 01:33.35 | Shirik | only gets an option to view just text :( |
| 01:33.59 | clever | upon closer inspecting, the link was on 'Account Management' |
| 01:34.37 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: dont feel bad, one of the us government domains only allows text/plain |
| 01:34.37 | Jamash | Shirik: I suppose you telnet directly to the mail server? |
| 01:34.56 | Shirik | no, just my PGP software doesn't know how to handle HTML |
| 01:35.04 | Shirik | probably because it isn't very logical |
| 01:35.15 | clever | Arrowmaster: so which header would the MAIL FROM address usualy turn up in? |
| 01:35.16 | Arrowmaster | why are you using PGP? |
| 01:35.17 | Shirik | you would have to put the signature outside of the HTML |
| 01:35.27 | Arrowmaster | clever: return-path i think |
| 01:35.33 | Shirik | For authenticity? |
| 01:35.39 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: why not GPG |
| 01:35.45 | clever | Return-path: <jzxdumota@gxkzrwg.com> yep, not blizz |
| 01:35.49 | Shirik | don't ask me I didn't do it! |
| 01:36.05 | Shirik | Blame IT |
| 01:36.14 | Jamash | blames canada |
| 01:36.21 | clever | ah, here is one from yahoo |
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| 01:39.55 | Shirik | Ok |
| 01:40.06 | Shirik | Windows gurus, this is your real test |
| 01:40.27 | Shirik | I can VPN into work. Find me a way to figure out what my computer name is so I can log into it. |
| 01:40.43 | Primer | switch to Linux |
| 01:40.46 | Primer | problem solved |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | Yeah that would only create 5 million other problems |
| 01:41.14 | clever | Arrowmaster: Return-path: <wowgm@blizzard.com> this one actualy looks valid |
| 01:41.21 | Primer | which you have from using windows in the first place |
| 01:42.03 | Primer | when I VPN into work, my VPN tells my client to use the DNS at the office |
| 01:42.11 | Arrowmaster | clever: if blizz had SPF rules that could have probably been droped |
| 01:42.19 | Primer | that way I can resolve names on the office network |
| 01:42.22 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: .. blizz has spf rules. |
| 01:42.38 | clever | Arrowmaster: the Received: header also shows [211.154.145.68] (helo=blizzard.com) |
| 01:42.40 | Primer | then your mail server isn't enforcing it |
| 01:42.52 | Shirik | You totally dodged my question |
| 01:43.04 | clever | X-Mailer: FoxMail 4.0 beta 2 [cn] |
| 01:43.06 | Shirik | Windows does the same thing |
| 01:43.12 | Shirik | The problem is not name resolution |
| 01:43.12 | clever | yeah, same chinese email app as an older spam |
| 01:43.16 | Shirik | the problem is figuring out the name in the first place |
| 01:43.27 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah guess they do, and they even end it with a -all |
| 01:43.34 | Primer | Shirik: sorry, I'm trolling |
| 01:43.41 | Primer | Shirik: but...shouldn't you know the name? |
| 01:43.52 | Shirik | why the hell would I memorize 20 random letters and numbers |
| 01:43.54 | Primer | I mean, when I VPN in, and I want to ssh into my workstation, I know its name |
| 01:43.56 | clever | the odd thing, is that i cant find a single link that doesnt look safe |
| 01:44.04 | clever | they are either apple.com or worldofwarcraft.com |
| 01:44.38 | clever | ah wait, wow-gm-gift.net, nvm |
| 01:44.47 | Shirik | ooh GM gift |
| 01:44.48 | Shirik | wtb |
| 01:44.49 | Shirik | where |
| 01:44.57 | clever | delete! |
| 01:45.06 | Primer | Why do you even bother? |
| 01:45.08 | Shirik | nooooooooooooooo |
| 01:45.14 | Primer | Should have just deleted it immediately |
| 01:45.29 | Primer | I get several of those a day |
| 01:45.38 | clever | Primer: ive confirmed that my mail server isnt checking the SPF |
| 01:45.38 | Primer | most land in spam, but every so often, one gets by |
| 01:46.20 | Primer | clever: I wish everyone used SPF |
| 01:46.47 | clever | http://wiki.exim.org/SPF looks simple:) |
| 01:46.53 | Primer | it is |
| 01:47.14 | Primer | "These IPs are authorized to send mail on behalf of foo.com: x.x.x.x ... " |
| 01:47.31 | clever | i know how SPF works, i just need to enable it in the smtp server |
| 01:47.34 | Primer | DNS should have a dedicated record type for that though |
| 01:47.42 | Primer | instead of the hack that it is now |
| 01:47.48 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 01:47.54 | Primer | uhh no? |
| 01:48.09 | Primer | SPF uses TXT |
| 01:48.16 | Primer | which was not made for SPF |
| 01:48.31 | Arrowmaster | i didnt say it was used, but i thought that a new record type got approved for it |
| 01:48.38 | Primer | ohhh really |
| 01:48.41 | Primer | that would be lovely |
| 01:49.25 | clever | looks like i had the exim config open and the editor crashed |
| 01:49.27 | clever | in 2009... |
| 01:52.58 | bluspacecow | "that reminds me, blizzard should implement SPF" ... clever I'm confused .... my emails from Blizzard all have Received-SPF in them ... is that what you were talking about ? |
| 01:53.17 | clever | bluspacecow: it looks like my smtp server wasnt setup to check SPF |
| 01:53.45 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 01:54.57 | clever | looks to be inside a .ifdef block |
| 02:13.38 | Kraps | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/01/fbi-goes-after-anonymous-for-pro-wikileaks-ddos-attacks.ars |
| 02:13.50 | Dagmar | Has to be done. |
| 02:14.29 | Dagmar | Kiddies without the ability to properly mask their origin and the maturity thet *usually* accompanies that level of understanding can't really be allowed to go on like that |
| 02:14.39 | Dagmar | It just lowers the barrier to extreme idiocy |
| 02:17.08 | bleeter | easier to go after them than those who DDoS'd WL itself, too ;) |
| 02:17.36 | Dagmar | This is almost the definition of "low-hanging fruit" |
| 02:17.41 | bleeter | which, from a civil defence point of view I'd be more concerned about if they were in fact harder to track down |
| 02:17.48 | bleeter | quite |
| 02:18.00 | bleeter | same as picking up drug users by the truckload instead of higher ups |
| 02:18.11 | Dagmar | THey're not picking up truckloads, tho |
| 02:18.23 | Dagmar | They probably *could* but there's always a few that stand out from the crowd. |
| 02:19.03 | Dagmar | ...but they have to do something to discourage that kind of participation or we'll have kiddies tearing down half the internet on the weekend 40 times a year |
| 02:19.44 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Picking up those guys is probably a good thing. I don't think they're being generally "civilly disobedient" in most of the things they do. |
| 02:20.01 | Dagmar | During that attack they brought the barrier-to-entry of sorts for participating in the to a very low level, which meant J. Random Idjit and his three cousins "helped" with a few mouse clickcs |
| 02:20.59 | Dagmar | That it's generally _hard_ to do that sort of thing is the reason J. Random Idjit and his three cousins don't take down Nascar's site because their favorite guy didn't win |
| 02:21.39 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/Bscgx.png |
| 02:23.01 | Xyphoid | sigh, http://getsatisfaction.com/launchlist/topics/passwords_are_stored_unsafely |
| 02:23.43 | Shirik | I don't think the employee knows what he's talking about |
| 02:25.26 | amro | question is, do they get recrypted? |
| 02:26.27 | Dagmar | My question is who was high enough to use salts with a reversible encryption method |
| 02:28.52 | Dagmar | I can think of no way to ask that on there without appearing horribly rude, tho |
| 02:29.58 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think they've got a server spinning off JtR jobs |
| 02:30.06 | Xyphoid | i'm kind of disappointed there doesn't seem to be a good owasp article to link them with |
| 02:30.11 | Dagmar | ...although it would be damn funny to see. |
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| 02:56.43 | kd3 | wtfs at top gear |
| 02:56.46 | kd3 | drag racing a fighter jet |
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| 03:01.59 | Kraps | NSFW http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/exclusive-first-look-at-petas-nsfw-new-super-bow |
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| 03:09.28 | Darknetix | Anyone here up for some private wow? |
| 03:09.42 | Sixen | Private? :O |
| 03:09.52 | Darknetix | yep |
| 03:10.01 | Darknetix | no? |
| 03:10.14 | Darknetix | I will give any item that you want |
| 03:10.15 | kd3 | ya, we don't do pservers here |
| 03:10.22 | Darknetix | damn! |
| 03:10.28 | Darknetix | sure you dont want to try? |
| 03:10.30 | kd3 | Cairenn, Iriel jnwhiteh Shadowed, Shirik; poke ^ |
| 03:10.34 | Shadowed | hai |
| 03:10.41 | Iriel | Hm? |
| 03:10.45 | Sixen | Shadowed? |
| 03:10.45 | kd3 | scroll up about 6 lines |
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| 03:10.50 | Shadowed | Blizzard does not allow private s |
| 03:10.51 | Shadowed | nevermind |
| 03:10.52 | Iriel | Ah, yes. |
| 03:10.54 | Sixen | :P |
| 03:11.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*@74-128-144-214.dhcp.insightbb.com] by Cairenn |
| 03:11.16 | Sixen | You tell 'im |
| 03:11.17 | Shadowed | Cairenn is impatient tonight |
| 03:11.21 | Shadowed | usually she shows mercy |
| 03:11.24 | Sixen | haha |
| 03:11.32 | Motig | being on a server where your items mean nothing and getting any item you want must be a lot of fun |
| 03:11.33 | alestane | Nah, that was pretty blatant. |
| 03:12.13 | airtonix | my liege |
| 03:12.16 | alestane | People who want to write an add-on for an older version are one thing....people who come on and solicit people to join a private server deserve the banhammer. |
| 03:12.44 | airtonix | i live to serve |
| 03:12.54 | airtonix | slays fisker |
| 03:12.56 | Shadowed | people who ask for addons for old versions are annoying |
| 03:13.27 | airtonix | people who are too old for addon versions are annoying |
| 03:13.33 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71WXhOyWj8 |
| 03:14.01 | airtonix | Shadowed, what versioning scheme do you use ? |
| 03:14.12 | airtonix | just numbers ? |
| 03:14.22 | Shadowed | I mash my head on the keyboard |
| 03:14.24 | Shadowed | and use that |
| 03:14.26 | airtonix | kinky |
| 03:14.36 | airtonix | i'd pay good money to see that |
| 03:14.38 | alestane | soothes Cairenn's ruffled feathers. |
| 03:14.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:16.12 | Cairenn | not all that ruffled, just kickbanned the asshole and it's done |
| 03:16.57 | airtonix | that's the kind of attitude i have on bank jobs |
| 03:17.28 | airtonix | you either clean the window i you're gone |
| 03:18.29 | airtonix | excuse me i just woke up, and a floating div is eluding me |
| 03:19.23 | ajmitch | amusingly, the same person spammed #ubuntu-server |
| 03:20.18 | Cairenn | they did the #ace channel as well - I didn't get to kick him in there, he'd already left, but I did ban him |
| 03:20.41 | ajmitch | yeah but at least that's related to wow, #ubuntu-server really isn't |
| 03:20.48 | Cairenn | nod |
| 03:21.01 | airtonix | Torhal, how long have you been using linkinus ? |
| 03:22.45 | Sintacks | the only reason i would ever want to use a private server is to mess with stats.. i want to see what a rogue with 9000 haste, at hard hit and crit caps would do... |
| 03:22.53 | Kraps | is eating way too many cookies |
| 03:22.58 | Sintacks | no sure thing |
| 03:23.00 | Sintacks | such* |
| 03:23.22 | alestane | ...as too many cokkies? |
| 03:23.25 | alestane | cookies* |
| 03:23.31 | airtonix | oh boy |
| 03:24.09 | alestane | I'm sure you could have a field day with that little typo if you were so inclined. |
| 03:24.23 | airtonix | dirty minds etc etc |
| 03:37.25 | Torhal | airtonix: Since I got my Mac on the 14th |
| 03:41.10 | Cide | hahaha |
| 03:41.14 | Cide | so this is a true story |
| 03:41.22 | Cide | we have a mage in our raid |
| 03:41.32 | Cide | who never shows up on recount reports |
| 03:41.39 | airtonix | because he hits with staff |
| 03:41.42 | Cide | no like |
| 03:41.45 | Cide | he's second on dps |
| 03:41.53 | Cide | and the report goes 1. blah, 3. foo |
| 03:42.00 | Cide | regardless of who reports it |
| 03:42.05 | airtonix | his name is bar ? |
| 03:42.11 | Cide | funny but no |
| 03:42.50 | airtonix | steals Cides handbag |
| 03:43.00 | amro | that's it? |
| 03:43.04 | amro | there's no punchline? |
| 03:43.28 | Cide | it's a hilarious bug? |
| 03:43.32 | airtonix | Release the Kraken |
| 03:43.47 | amro | I'm not amused |
| 03:43.51 | airtonix | i guess you had to be there |
| 03:43.56 | amro | maybe if there was something ironic about his name |
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| 03:51.01 | Cide | or maybe it's just hilarious that such a proven addon as recount somehow manages to ignore a specific player |
| 03:51.04 | Cide | for everybody |
| 03:51.17 | Kraps | then who was mage? |
| 03:51.22 | Cide | wat |
| 03:51.31 | airtonix | inb4 family member |
| 03:51.41 | Cide | it's nobody special |
| 03:51.46 | Cide | it's just that it's that one person |
| 03:51.49 | Cide | for everybody |
| 03:51.49 | amro | it could be the name |
| 03:51.52 | Cide | must be a hilarious bug |
| 03:51.57 | airtonix | it could be body odour |
| 03:51.57 | Cide | Zige? seems ordinary enough |
| 03:52.18 | Kraps | no no |
| 03:52.24 | airtonix | why not ? |
| 03:52.27 | Kraps | THEN WHO WAS MAGE |
| 03:52.46 | airtonix | l2read? |
| 03:52.53 | karl_w_w | RAGE! |
| 03:53.02 | amro | hey that rhymes |
| 03:53.20 | airtonix | what a tenuous claim |
| 03:55.47 | Kraps | no no |
| 03:55.58 | Kraps | you misunderstand |
| 03:56.18 | Kraps | THEN WHO WAS MAGE |
| 04:01.44 | Thunder_Child | is it any good Kraps? |
| 04:01.57 | Kraps | idk Thunder_Child |
| 04:02.10 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: what, first time you are playing it? |
| 04:02.19 | Kraps | no |
| 04:02.24 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:02.31 | Kraps | i dont just buy stuff off steam |
| 04:02.45 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 04:02.53 | Thunder_Child | err...i meant dead space |
| 04:04.17 | Kraps | oh, just about to continue |
| 04:04.48 | Kraps | havent played enough |
| 04:08.36 | Kraps | the save system is ... |
| 04:12.06 | amro | the save system is an ellipsis? |
| 04:14.29 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:17.08 | Kraps | you cant quick-save, and at each save point it asks you if you want to overwrite the save file if you pick the same one |
| 04:19.04 | Kraps | and since there are a lot of save points and you want to use them all if you dont think you're leet, it gets old quick |
| 04:19.35 | airtonix | i love interfaces made by morons |
| 04:21.40 | Kraps | mouse sensitivity has to be quite high if you want any kind of responsive gameplay |
| 04:25.08 | Kraps | its scary though :/ |
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| 04:44.56 | Thunder_Child | huh, someone posted a torrent of Win 7 SP1 |
| 04:46.50 | airtonix | wow thats unusual |
| 04:52.22 | Thunder_Child | seems it's valid no less |
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| 05:07.37 | Adys | fdupes: Best non-default unix tool ever |
| 05:10.02 | clever | Adys: ive done the same with a 'one line' bash script |
| 05:10.16 | clever | find, md5, xargs, sort, uniq, and cut |
| 05:10.36 | Adys | u so clevah |
| 05:11.04 | clever | ive been meaning to write an sql version that can cache the hashes and not have to rehash 3tb of data on every scan |
| 05:11.05 | Adys | fdupes doesn't directly check md5 |
| 05:11.22 | clever | yeah, the info says it does a 2nd byte by byte check when the md5's match |
| 05:11.23 | Adys | it uses a bunch of light checks before resorting to md5 |
| 05:11.32 | clever | ah, like file size too |
| 05:11.37 | Adys | yes |
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| 05:12.55 | Adys | also it checks symlinks and stuff |
| 05:13.08 | Adys | in any case, "one line bash script" doesn't do the job. |
| 05:13.15 | clever | yeah |
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| 05:37.46 | Adys | Anyone able to reach this page? |
| 05:37.47 | Adys | http://203.66.118.128/background/WoW-3.3.5.12340-x86-Win-zhTW-BKGND.torrent |
| 05:38.13 | Adys | interested by your country of residence too |
| 05:50.58 | Jamash | timed out (USA) |
| 05:51.12 | Jamash | brb |
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| 05:54.52 | Kraps | garrus is a dicjk in me1 |
| 05:57.02 | airtonix | opening cargobay doors |
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| 05:57.56 | Kraps | update on the cheating autistic kid http://www.ripten.com/2011/01/31/autistic-11-year-old-banned-from-xbl-mum-cries-discrimination-cheating-discovered/ |
| 06:00.33 | airtonix | too bad |
| 06:01.26 | airtonix | there is no excuse for cheating, shameful reproach by mother |
| 06:01.55 | airtonix | Kraps, feel sorry for me i have fiskerosis |
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| 06:04.26 | Kraps | http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/31/video-game-cake-of-the-day-mass-effect-edition.aspx |
| 06:08.51 | Shirik | ~weather K4S2 |
| 06:09.00 | Shirik | :/ |
| 06:15.30 | bleeter | dig +short txt monkey.wp.dg.cx |
| 06:18.16 | Shirik | bleeter digs monkeys |
| 06:18.37 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:18.40 | Shirik | wtf is that bleeter |
| 06:22.03 | Shirik | oh how I love ANI |
| 06:22.11 | Shirik | kd3, is wowpedia like this? |
| 06:22.20 | Shirik | With the above comments in mind, how do you folks go about dealing with editor who are consistently rude and abusive, and assume bad faith, even to new editors? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 12:44 pm, Today (UTCâ8) |
| 06:22.21 | Shirik | Depends on whether or not they're an administrator. If they're not then block; if they are, then start making excuses for their behaviour. Malleus Fatuorum 12:47 pm, Today (UTCâ8) |
| 06:23.24 | kd3 | no, thankfully |
| 06:23.54 | Jamash | wowpedia is a tight-knit, loving community of wonderful people |
| 06:24.12 | Jamash | and fisker |
| 06:25.30 | Adys | http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2011/01/julia-meets-html-5.html |
| 06:25.39 | Shirik | I am a wonderful person Jamash? |
| 06:25.45 | Adys | fractal renderer in html5 by google |
| 06:25.49 | Adys | man I love these guys |
| 06:26.52 | Jamash | Adys: awesome |
| 06:28.12 | Adys | http://juliamap.googlelabs.com/#ll=0.002811,-117.954712&z=15&p=0,ffffff&f=mandelbrot |
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| 06:30.51 | Adys | http://juliamap.googlelabs.com/#ll=84.738387,15.475527&z=29&p=0,ffffff&f=mandelbrot ergh, theres no way to hide the interface |
| 06:31.14 | Jamash | can you increase the number of iterations? |
| 06:31.36 | Adys | you can't increase anything. |
| 06:33.19 | Shirik | here's what I don't get |
| 06:33.30 | Shirik | Why did they do this |
| 06:33.36 | Jamash | proof of concept? |
| 06:33.37 | Shirik | What does google get out of it |
| 06:33.49 | Jamash | html5 browser adoption |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | There's so many things that just go completely against the theories of a successful buiness |
| 06:33.57 | Shirik | so what |
| 06:34.04 | Jamash | they make an html5 browser |
| 06:34.06 | Jamash | connect the dots |
| 06:34.10 | Adys | it's a testcase for web workers |
| 06:34.24 | Jamash | also, google is smarter than you |
| 06:34.34 | Adys | was probably used internally and some engineer decided to make it awesome |
| 06:34.37 | airtonix | end of story |
| 06:34.52 | airtonix | Shirik, i can drink your tears |
| 06:35.24 | airtonix | also, happy birthday |
| 06:35.24 | Shirik | no Adys |
| 06:35.32 | Shirik | there is no "enngineer decided to make it awesome" |
| 06:35.35 | Shirik | that does not compute |
| 06:35.37 | Shirik | thank you airtonix |
| 06:35.43 | Jamash | Shirik: You don't compute |
| 06:35.47 | Adys | why not? |
| 06:35.55 | Adys | it happens to me a lot |
| 06:36.06 | Shirik | From a purely business perspective, it's a waste of resources that google is paying for |
| 06:36.11 | Jamash | Shirik: No, it isn't |
| 06:36.47 | Jamash | Shirik: By focusing only on short-term profit you throw away long-term opportunities for research and growth |
| 06:36.51 | Adys | i work on something for my job or anything, i notice I can do something really cool with it as a side project |
| 06:37.12 | Adys | they have the resources, why not use them |
| 06:37.27 | Shirik | I guess, where I'm coming from, such a scenario is literally impossible |
| 06:37.35 | Shirik | I have to charge all of my time to a contract |
| 06:37.40 | Shirik | a "side project" isn't really possible |
| 06:37.43 | Jamash | Shirik: You come from a bad company |
| 06:37.45 | Shirik | at least not on company time |
| 06:37.45 | Xyphoid | think of it as training |
| 06:37.58 | Adys | That's what the 20% program is for Shirik |
| 06:38.04 | Shirik | Yeah I'm not sure my boss would appreciate me charging to his overhead line for something like this |
| 06:38.05 | Jamash | Google allows its employees 20% free time to work on "stuff" |
| 06:38.07 | Xyphoid | bad companies are happy to spend tens of thousands sending engineers to camps to watch powerpoint slides |
| 06:38.25 | Adys | the 20% program has proven countless times how useful it is |
| 06:38.27 | Shirik | camps to watch powerpoint slides? |
| 06:38.33 | Shirik | Adys: Useful, I totally agree with |
| 06:38.41 | Adys | here's the thing Shirik |
| 06:38.41 | Shirik | The important question is whether or not they're losing money as a result |
| 06:38.51 | Jamash | well let's see, how much money does google have |
| 06:38.52 | Adys | if you round up 20 thousand people smarter than you in a room |
| 06:38.56 | Jamash | and how much money do you have |
| 06:39.00 | Adys | chances are, you shouldn't have complete control over them |
| 06:39.11 | Shirik | Jamash: That's a pointless argument and you know it |
| 06:39.17 | Jamash | Shirik: So's yours |
| 06:39.31 | Xyphoid | they could easily bill the time spent on that to HR |
| 06:39.44 | Adys | giving engineers the occasion to do 20% of shit THEY want to work on not only boosts morale, it also has high chances to result in something good for the company |
| 06:39.48 | Xyphoid | we're talking about what a nice environment google programmers have that they can throw together stuff like that |
| 06:39.56 | Adys | research, opportunity, improvements, pr |
| 06:40.00 | airtonix | Shirik, i like your trolling style |
| 06:40.03 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:40.06 | airtonix | thanks |
| 06:40.30 | Adys | businesses that only focus on profitable moves will end up losing battles on front they haven't met |
| 06:40.55 | Adys | If you're 100% focused on making money, the very second you HAVE to act on a non-profitable level, you're dead |
| 06:41.17 | Adys | and a huge business like google has to act on a huge amount of fronts |
| 06:41.31 | Shirik | why |
| 06:41.39 | Jamash | now you're trolling |
| 06:41.40 | Shirik | I mean when you get down to it |
| 06:41.50 | Shirik | ok.... |
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| 06:42.01 | Shirik | When you get down to it |
| 06:42.04 | Shirik | Google is an advertising company |
| 06:42.07 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 06:42.10 | Shirik | Yes, it is |
| 06:42.12 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 06:42.14 | Adys | Shirik: because Google is the dictionary definition of "Because I can" |
| 06:42.14 | Shirik | Yes it is |
| 06:42.21 | Jamash | duck season |
| 06:42.23 | Shirik | Their business plan says that explicitly |
| 06:42.32 | Jamash | no it doesn't |
| 06:42.35 | Shirik | admittedly I haven't read it in years |
| 06:42.39 | airtonix | what does that mean ? |
| 06:42.39 | Shirik | but I assume it hasn't really changed |
| 06:42.43 | kd3 | wabbit season! |
| 06:42.44 | Adys | Google is a company that makes money out of advertising |
| 06:42.48 | bleeter | Shirik: It's a dig interface to short WP summaries :P |
| 06:42.53 | Shirik | bleeter: That's awesome |
| 06:42.56 | Adys | that doesn't make them an advertising company |
| 06:43.03 | Shirik | ok this is what I mean |
| 06:43.04 | Adys | just like MS isn't a phone company |
| 06:43.21 | Shirik | but my point is you aren't going to be getting advertising revenue out of fractals |
| 06:43.27 | airtonix | neither is samsung |
| 06:43.28 | Shirik | However I think it would be hilarious to put them in an ad once in a while |
| 06:43.34 | Shirik | to see if you can get someone to have a seizure |
| 06:43.38 | Jamash | Shirik: Do you make money by sleeping? |
| 06:43.42 | Adys | here's what you don't get Shirik |
| 06:43.54 | airtonix | i do |
| 06:43.56 | Adys | the company is not focused on making money |
| 06:43.59 | Shirik | Jamash: That's a bad argument to make, primarily because I have said on countless occasions that I would not sleep if I didn't have to |
| 06:44.09 | Shirik | Sleep is a waste of time |
| 06:44.10 | kd3 | making money just happens; that's the best kind of company |
| 06:44.13 | Jamash | Shirik: ok, so do you ever sleep? |
| 06:44.34 | airtonix | Jamash, who needs sleep when you have free cocaine |
| 06:45.50 | Adys | Shirik: As a business, there is only one moment in time where you have to focus on making profitable moves: When profit is the only way for the company to survive |
| 06:46.10 | Adys | Focusing on profitable moves permanently will ultimately damage your business |
| 06:46.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:46.30 | Adys | although the only reason for that is because marketeers are idiots |
| 06:46.33 | airtonix | just focus on paying your employees wages |
| 06:46.33 | Shirik | Dear All, |
| 06:46.33 | Shirik | I will be out sick today (Tuesday). |
| 06:46.43 | Shirik | Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:40 PM |
| 06:46.47 | Shirik | She must be psychic |
| 06:47.03 | Jamash | because you have to be psychic to know you have an infection |
| 06:47.06 | Wobin | or really sick |
| 06:47.12 | airtonix | or use email |
| 06:47.49 | Wobin | "Why I appear to be evacuating my bowels every 10min. Perhaps I should wait til tomorrow to send an email when I could be sleeping in." |
| 06:48.00 | Jamash | Shirik: Maybe if you got more sleep you'd understand google's business model |
| 06:48.12 | airtonix | yes |
| 06:48.15 | Shirik | I have never understood google's business model |
| 06:48.19 | airtonix | less cocaine more coffee |
| 06:48.27 | Shirik | it is literally a company that makes no sense |
| 06:48.32 | Shirik | and does a very good job at it |
| 06:48.38 | Shirik | which is probably why nobody can compete with them |
| 06:48.38 | Jamash | they provide services that people pay them money for |
| 06:48.38 | airtonix | this upsets you ? |
| 06:48.41 | Jamash | is that difficult? |
| 06:48.43 | Adys | because you need to stop seeing google as an entity that only has a business model |
| 06:49.11 | Adys | their business model is "making money", but the business model doesn't have priority |
| 06:49.50 | Jerub | google makes a hoojillion dollars from ads. |
| 06:49.57 | Jamash | some people are smart enough to recognize that the way you make money today is not the same as the way you make money in 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100 years |
| 06:50.04 | Jerub | so they just try to make awesome stuff then stick ads on whatever is successful. |
| 06:50.21 | Jamash | if you only care about making money today, then soon enough someone else will eat you alive |
| 06:50.21 | Xyphoid | having a stable of smart programmers and harvesting their ideas is a pretty good business model |
| 06:50.36 | Jerub | Xyphoid: only if you already make hoojillions |
| 06:50.53 | Jamash | Orson Scott Card once wrote that managing programmers is like managing bees |
| 06:51.01 | Jamash | I think he was right |
| 06:51.08 | Adys | Shirik: because of their present popularity, google can afford making moves that aren't profitable on the short term. This kind of moves tend to be profitable on the long term |
| 06:51.14 | Adys | thus completing a life-long cycle |
| 06:51.15 | Jamash | You can't micromanage a beehive |
| 06:51.35 | Jamash | http://www.netjeff.com/humor/item.cgi?file=DeveloperBees |
| 06:51.37 | Shirik | actually he was a dumbass, Jamash |
| 06:51.43 | Shirik | but I'm not going into that |
| 06:51.47 | Jamash | Shirik: Actually your face is a dumbass |
| 06:51.52 | Xyphoid | if you stick a manager in front of each idea and go 'no, clearly a scrolling julia set is worthless' then you're probably going to go 'no, clearly street maps are worthless' at some point |
| 06:52.18 | Jerub | google bought street mats |
| 06:52.19 | Jerub | er maps |
| 06:52.26 | Shirik | On the same note, if you're trying to manage programmers, you're hiring the wrong people in the first place |
| 06:52.34 | Jamash | Shirik: people like you? |
| 06:52.40 | Shirik | I am not a programmer |
| 06:52.54 | Jamash | didn't say you were |
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| 06:53.52 | Shirik | So Adys, give it 50 years |
| 06:54.05 | Shirik | Google eats Microsoft, Microsoft eats Google, or they're both still alive? |
| 06:54.26 | Adys | microsoft can barely put food on their own table |
| 06:54.30 | kd3 | isn't sure he'd predict 5 years out in the software world |
| 06:54.38 | Shirik | that's not really what I asked |
| 06:54.38 | Adys | i doubt they can afford even eating one google employee for lunch |
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| 06:54.50 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:54.57 | Jamash | we're all uploads living in a virtual reality created by activisionblizzardeaubibethesdasoft |
| 06:55.54 | Jamash | Ask someone in 1961 to predict the state of the web browser market in 2011 |
| 06:55.55 | Jamash | GO |
| 06:55.59 | Torhal | The crack rocks you smoke must be epically massive, Jamash. |
| 06:56.04 | Jamash | oh wait web browsers haven't been invented yet |
| 06:56.07 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:56.12 | Jamash | I smoke oshu'gun |
| 06:56.25 | Torhal | is referencing the virtual reality comment, BTW. |
| 06:56.28 | Jamash | I know |
| 06:56.48 | Jerub | kd3: i'm having trouble predicting networking world in 5-10 years |
| 06:56.50 | Shirik | Jamash: It's closer to asking someone in 1961 to predict what would happen to IBM |
| 06:56.52 | Jerub | kd3: software is just right out |
| 06:57.02 | Jerub | Shirik: there were some people who were right! |
| 06:57.13 | Jerub | the guy who said there was a worldwide market for maybe 6 computers had people he was arguing with. |
| 06:57.19 | Jamash | Shirik: In 2061 the computer industry will be unrecognizable |
| 06:57.27 | Shirik | I'm still not sure I know what happened to IBM today |
| 06:57.39 | Adys | I don't think theres any precedent to a company like google |
| 06:57.42 | Jerub | i actually had a chat to an older gentleman about his expectations of the future as a young man. |
| 06:57.51 | Shirik | Adys: Because it's a company that doesn't make sense |
| 06:57.55 | Jamash | 95% of today's technology companies will no longer exist |
| 06:57.55 | Jerub | he pulled out his mobile phone and said "we predicted these, instant communicators" |
| 06:58.05 | Adys | so vastly spread world wide, popular, necessary, rich, incredibly powerful, so on |
| 06:58.25 | Shirik | You could probably write an entire book about what google did differently from everyone else |
| 06:58.33 | Jerub | but something that his generation didn't expect at all was the ability to get into a car and turn it on and drive being a 99.9% reliability thing. they took for granted that a car wouldn't start 1 in 5 mornings. |
| 06:59.05 | Jamash | most likely there won't *be* a computer industry as we understand it |
| 06:59.48 | kd3 | waits for the fractale system to roll out |
| 07:00.04 | Jamash | your display will be a thin film laminated on your eyeball |
| 07:00.27 | kd3 | and on that amusing circle back to the beginning, g'night |
| 07:00.30 | Jamash | your cpu will live in your wallet |
| 07:00.44 | Shirik | ooh |
| 07:00.48 | Shirik | cash with little trackable chips on them |
| 07:01.00 | Shirik | patenting now |
| 07:01.04 | Shirik | brb |
| 07:01.27 | Jamash | and content providers will be trying to prevent people from copying full-sensory immersion "feelies" |
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| 07:01.55 | Jamash | copyright infringement will carry a maximum penalty of 500 years in prison |
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| 07:02.10 | Shirik | Really I don't expect 2050 to be very different from today |
| 07:02.15 | Jamash | you're an idiot |
| 07:02.19 | Jamash | imo |
| 07:02.42 | Shirik | Is today all that different from the 1960s? |
| 07:02.52 | Jamash | yes |
| 07:02.57 | Shirik | We have some new ideas, yes |
| 07:03.00 | Shirik | but let's face it |
| 07:03.03 | Shirik | the telephone already existed |
| 07:03.05 | Shirik | so did the car |
| 07:03.13 | Shirik | We just enhanced them |
| 07:03.27 | Adys | the wheel already existed, the car is just a wheel enhancement |
| 07:03.37 | Jamash | google is offering a service in conjunction with twitter to allow dissidents in egypt to post via speech-recognition |
| 07:03.48 | Shirik | ok if you're going to be that unconstructive in this discussion I'm not even going to bother continuing it |
| 07:04.14 | Jamash | we're being unconstructive? |
| 07:04.15 | Adys | I'm not being unconstructive, merely reminding you that "enhancing" an invention can be a huge turn |
| 07:05.53 | Adys | you can consider something "truly different in time" when a completely boring and commonly monotonous sentence from one point in time becomes unbelievable at another |
| 07:08.08 | Adys | "My friend from Japan wants to talk to you on video" wouldve been unbelievable 100 years ago, pretty much just like "This new car can do up to 25 miles an hour!" would be unbelievable today. |
| 07:08.49 | Jerub | Adys: nah, video links were in science fiction for a long time |
| 07:09.00 | Adys | how does that make them believable? |
| 07:09.03 | Jamash | 100 years ago? |
| 07:09.06 | Jerub | Adys: longer than you realise. once we had radio, there was a lot of striving for video. |
| 07:09.22 | Adys | that does not make it believable :P |
| 07:09.36 | Adys | or in any way non-exciting |
| 07:09.44 | Adys | the very fact it was science fiction proves my point |
| 07:10.23 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Video_telephony_as_imagined_in_1910.jpg |
| 07:10.25 | Adys | "I need to teleport to Paris to buy a new spaceship" would be common in science fiction, that does NOT make it believable today. |
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| 07:12.04 | Jamash | note that they imagined seeing a picture of the other party but didn't realize you wouldn't need to speak into a tube |
| 07:12.33 | Jamash | or have a hundred pounds of telephony gear and a dedicated operator |
| 07:12.39 | Xyphoid | the most impressive bit of cellphones for me is that half of africa has one |
| 07:12.50 | Xyphoid | often without phone lines or regular power |
| 07:12.55 | Adys | rofl the comments |
| 07:12.56 | Adys | "That picture DOES accurately predict some jackass talking on his phone during the picture show." |
| 07:13.10 | Jamash | because setting up towers with microwave relays is cheaper than running wires (which would be stolen) |
| 07:13.42 | zenzio | WTS used radio waves PST |
| 07:14.07 | Xyphoid | seeing dudes selling goats and recharge cards in villages with no power was amazing |
| 07:14.13 | Jamash | so while we may be able to imagine some of the technologies that will exist in 100 years, we have no idea what they'll look like or how they'll be used |
| 07:14.28 | Adys | That's just not true Jamash |
| 07:14.37 | airtonix | i have pie |
| 07:14.58 | Adys | all the picture you linked does is prove the designer who made it had no imagination |
| 07:15.50 | Adys | more often than not, designing future technologies involves someone going "Ohhh, it'll be so exciting, in a hundred years I'll be able to use <outdated technology> to do <currently impossible action>!" |
| 07:15.58 | Jamash | jules verne wrote a novel set in the 20th century, the main character is a bank employee who spends his whole day writing with a quill pen in a giant book |
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| 07:16.27 | airtonix | jackhammers to jump solar systems |
| 07:16.28 | Adys | What many designers don't realize is that current technologies would be outdated for a reason |
| 07:17.15 | Adys | seriously, how many movies have you seen where someone uses a car as a teleportation device? |
| 07:17.59 | Jerub | hell, watching babylon 5. |
| 07:18.05 | Jerub | 90s tv show, super sci fi. |
| 07:18.16 | Jerub | all computer searches took hours, but you used voice input |
| 07:18.26 | Adys | but that's also for two reasons; designing future technologies is often done for pure entertainment and has a more profitable value referring to something a current user would know about |
| 07:18.39 | Adys | than taking 10 hours explaining how <this> and <that> is unlikely to be necessary by that time |
| 07:19.23 | Xyphoid | the Traveller rpg is pretty funny like that |
| 07:19.29 | Xyphoid | you measure computer space in your ship in tonnage |
| 07:19.36 | Adys | and the second reason is, since it's purely for entertainment, there's rarely any GOOD designer dedicating the better part of their time on considering the hundreds/thousands of possibilities something that DOESN'T exist could offer |
| 07:20.06 | Jerub | Xyphoid: yeah, and you can only run one large program at once. |
| 07:20.18 | Jerub | choice between loading the targetting software or jump software |
| 07:20.20 | Jamash | Adys: So, you're so smart, what's technology like in 2061 |
| 07:20.20 | Adys | designers are limited by the realm of something that's possible, only really good ones can think outside the box. |
| 07:20.48 | Adys | Jamash: if you were smart enough to follow what I said, you'd understand that asking me this question is foolish |
| 07:20.59 | Jamash | Adys: I think you're blowing smoke |
| 07:21.07 | Adys | And I think you're just blowing |
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| 07:24.44 | zenzio | I don't know where your discussion started, but I'm continually intrigued by all the spaceship designs people come up with |
| 07:25.01 | Jamash | most science fiction spaceship designs make me sad |
| 07:25.01 | Adys | how so? |
| 07:25.06 | zenzio | it seems hard to shake the "fighters must look like fighters,even in space" |
| 07:25.11 | zenzio | let's make it aerodynamic |
| 07:25.22 | Jamash | that's one of the reasons they make me sad |
| 07:25.42 | Adys | http://brendonmorfitt.com/_Media/orimothership_03_large.jpeg |
| 07:25.45 | Adys | that = sadness |
| 07:25.54 | Jamash | now, if a fighter is supposed to be air/space capable, it makes sense |
| 07:26.03 | zenzio | granted with my level of physics knowledge, I may often be wrong about these things |
| 07:26.16 | Jamash | the ori are space gods, they can do wtf they like |
| 07:26.29 | Jamash | even if it ends up looking like a flying bidet |
| 07:26.40 | zenzio | but I can't see how you can have these huge tail thrusters, and then slow down greatly using these tiny nozzles of gas in the front (or often with no apparent mechanism) |
| 07:27.11 | Jamash | easy, when you stop thrusting you slow down, due to friction with the lumeniferous aether |
| 07:27.14 | zenzio | Adys: looks interesting |
| 07:27.21 | Adys | what does? |
| 07:27.26 | zenzio | that picture |
| 07:27.35 | Adys | its an ori spaceship from sg |
| 07:27.54 | Adys | in the category "things that are in no way any sort of fucking aerodynamic" I think of this one first |
| 07:28.02 | zenzio | if that's Stargate, I never watched anything but the movie |
| 07:28.17 | Jamash | I liked the variety of spaceship designs in Homeworld |
| 07:28.24 | Jerub | Jamash: *nod* |
| 07:30.12 | Adys | in spaceship designs, I really loved Edge of Chaos |
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| 07:33.31 | Adys | Zone Quests achievementsin wow should really trigger upon completion of the zone's final questline |
| 07:33.41 | Adys | or maybe upon completion of all of the zone's questlines |
| 07:33.57 | Adys | its stupid getting the ach in the middle of nowhere while killing 5 whelps |
| 07:34.25 | Jamash | the #1 consideration for spaceship designs is usually "how many glowy things and spikes can we put on it" |
| 07:35.05 | Adys | spikes on a shapeship annoy me =( |
| 07:35.18 | Adys | they dont look cool *at all* |
| 07:35.26 | Jamash | whereas for a real spaceship your #1 concern should be "how can we make it not explode" |
| 07:35.28 | Adys | star wars got this spike fetish going |
| 07:36.22 | mitch0 | the borg got it right ;) |
| 07:37.51 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:ProjectOrionConfiguration.png now that's a spaceship |
| 07:38.14 | zenzio | if I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, in the Night's Dawn trilogy, distant space travel was carried out through wormholes, but with an interesting twist... because of the way the technology worked, the spaceships had to be round |
| 07:38.16 | Jamash | they integrated exploding into the design |
| 07:39.10 | Jerub | zenzio: in alastair reynold's 'The Algebraist' all spaceships were either interplanitary and huge, or interstellar and less than 20m accross so they could fit through narrow wormholes. |
| 07:44.39 | Jamash | one of my favorite designs for a spaceship was robert forward's in camelot 30k; it was a magnetic accelerator that tossed canisters back and forth between the ship (traveling out to the kuiper belt) and another accelerator in earth orbit |
| 07:44.41 | airtonix | Jerub, is that a new book ? |
| 07:44.52 | airtonix | The Algebraist |
| 07:45.18 | airtonix | wiki says it's not an alastair reynolds book |
| 07:45.27 | mitch0 | that's banks |
| 07:45.35 | Jerub | airtonix: um, last 10 years or so? |
| 07:45.37 | airtonix | <Jerub> zenzio: in alastair reynold's 'The Algebraist' all spaceships |
| 07:45.41 | Jerub | shit, sorry. |
| 07:45.45 | Jerub | i thought it was a reynolds standalone |
| 07:45.46 | airtonix | :< |
| 07:45.52 | Jerub | i forgot it was banks sans culture |
| 07:54.02 | airtonix | last book that i read was called Brass Man |
| 07:54.22 | airtonix | felt alot like firefly |
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| 08:29.14 | Fisker | are you sure to operate airtonix ? |
| 08:29.25 | airtonix | yes i been cable |
| 08:30.10 | Fisker | i just love this bamboo shit hardware airtonix |
| 08:30.43 | airtonix | splinter is a rat |
| 08:30.59 | Fisker | when i make changes to the configuration it asks me "Are you sure to operate?" |
| 08:31.03 | Fisker | which is awesome |
| 08:31.18 | Fisker | because i'm a smooth operator |
| 08:31.34 | airtonix | yes correct message is "smoothly" |
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| 08:38.35 | Fisker | i hate everyone |
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| 08:38.44 | Fisker | i'm the only one who showed up to work sofar |
| 08:38.54 | Fisker | and i just saw the deliveryman drop off a fuckton of laptops |
| 08:38.55 | Fisker | :< |
| 08:46.13 | airtonix | can i have one |
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| 09:00.22 | Xyphoid | is there any point arenaing if you're bad at pvp now |
| 09:02.18 | Xyphoid | like there are no ghetto honor points for losing or anything right |
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| 09:10.15 | airtonix | you can qq on tthe forums |
| 09:10.25 | airtonix | i always like that option |
| 09:10.48 | Corrodias | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 09:10.52 | Corrodias | look how many eyes i have |
| 09:11.17 | airtonix | so you're upset because ? |
| 09:11.21 | airtonix | oldgod? |
| 09:20.01 | zenzio | http://cheezdailysquee.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/dcff15f2-572f-46bb-b77a-b8a19ccc4465.jpg - that was the last time the cameraman had a snowball fight with a tiger |
| 09:22.22 | Xyphoid | naw i'm actually trying to find out how conquest points work, i even resorted to the ingame knowledge base which was a bad idea |
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| 09:41.31 | airtonix | aren't tigers that live in the snow russian ? |
| 09:41.46 | airtonix | or are they extinct now ? |
| 09:42.00 | airtonix | i thought russian tigers weren't that orange |
| 09:42.12 | airtonix | decidedly white infact |
| 09:42.31 | zenzio | airtonix: Siberian, they're still around |
| 09:42.38 | zenzio | but they're not white |
| 09:42.43 | airtonix | black ? |
| 09:42.49 | zenzio | orange |
| 09:42.58 | airtonix | nowai |
| 09:43.36 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_tiger |
| 09:44.38 | zenzio | also, from the "white tiger" page: "The existence of pure white Siberian tigers has not been scientifically proven, despite occasional reports of sightings of white tigers in the regions where wild Siberian tigers live. It is quite possible that the gene for white coating does not exist in the Siberian tiger population, since no pure white Siberian tigers have been born in captivity even though the Siberian tiger has been extensively bred during the last |
| 09:44.38 | zenzio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.11 | airtonix | maybe it's just Siberian Ninja Tigers |
| 09:45.21 | airtonix | Leaping Cover Technique |
| 09:46.19 | zenzio | yeah, you don't mess with the ninja tigers! |
| 09:46.29 | airtonix | or pizza cats |
| 09:46.51 | Fisker | THIS IS AN OUTRAGE |
| 09:47.00 | airtonix | THIS IS PATRICK |
| 09:47.06 | Fisker | no |
| 09:47.10 | airtonix | yes |
| 09:47.34 | Fisker | someone used their government issued education funds for playing the lottery |
| 09:47.41 | Fisker | and she won! |
| 09:47.44 | airtonix | hah! |
| 09:48.01 | airtonix | treachery! |
| 09:58.07 | airtonix | did you know luke skywalker is batmans nemesis |
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| 10:18.40 | Fisker | unprotected sex airtonix |
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| 10:27.02 | Adys | I dont get this guy. |
| 10:27.18 | Adys | hes been on my server, level 70 for years |
| 10:27.35 | Adys | refuses to buy wlk/cata because it's too expensive |
| 10:27.47 | Adys | today, i see him flying around on a celestial steed. still lvl 70. |
| 10:32.26 | tlund | heh |
| 10:32.39 | karl_w_w | what on earth |
| 10:34.58 | airtonix | generally land and sea |
| 10:45.43 | mikma | adys: celes is soooo cheap |
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| 11:03.38 | airtonix | fisker, i'm typing fast therfore hacking you |
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| 11:26.00 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:34.47 | airtonix | trout slapping facilities subverted |
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| 11:36.28 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:38.17 | airtonix | i stopped you |
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| 11:46.03 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:53.32 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 11:53.34 | airtonix | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/fcut7/i_wanted_to_put_some_perspective_on_exactly_how/ |
| 11:57.11 | airtonix | I hired 20 autistic kids to memorize bits. They fly back and forth between Toronto and Vancouver and read the bits off to my friend. It is much cheaper than $2/gb |
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| 12:04.58 | cbreak_work | hmm... I'd spend 100$ on bandwidth per day :/ |
| 12:10.31 | airtonix | i downloaded a car |
| 12:10.40 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/quNo1.jpg |
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| 12:17.09 | airtonix | Fisker, We should have a battle of wits, but I would never assault an unarmed man |
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| 12:32.13 | Apsolut | Good morning, I have a small question, and if I should ask somewhere else, please direct me to an appropriate channel. I have done changes to all my addons and have saved profiles for most, yet my wtf folder is empty, except for config.wtf and Launcher.WTF, any help? |
| 12:33.57 | Kalroth | Which operating system? |
| 12:34.16 | Kalroth | Also your profile changes aren't saved until you log out of WoW |
| 12:34.38 | Apsolut | windows 7, additionaly I have show hidden files turned on and also use curseclient |
| 12:35.09 | Apsolut | I've been playing with those UI changes for a bit, so have already logged in and out several times |
| 12:35.15 | airtonix | i use winzip |
| 12:35.50 | Kalroth | Where is your WoW installed? |
| 12:35.56 | airtonix | c:\winzip |
| 12:35.56 | Kalroth | C:\Games\WoW\ or? |
| 12:36.00 | Apsolut | c: |
| 12:36.04 | Apsolut | regular path |
| 12:36.10 | Kalroth | so in Program Files? |
| 12:36.16 | airtonix | no in c:\ |
| 12:38.22 | Apsolut | C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\ |
| 12:40.32 | Kalroth | Yeah, you need to run WoW as admin then |
| 12:40.48 | airtonix | wut? |
| 12:40.51 | Kalroth | And no, it isn't enough to be logged in as admin or to be in an admin group :) |
| 12:41.05 | Kalroth | Alternatively move WoW to a folder outside of Program Files |
| 12:41.06 | Adys | sudo wow.exe ! |
| 12:41.08 | airtonix | how bout just move the wow folder to somewhere you own |
| 12:41.40 | Kalroth | The program files folder in Windows Vista/7 is rather silly |
| 12:41.56 | airtonix | brb krafting an addon that requires .bat files to be run |
| 12:42.15 | airtonix | im kalling it kalroth_ui |
| 12:42.30 | Kalroth | will you run it from winzip |
| 12:42.35 | airtonix | yeah |
| 12:42.41 | airtonix | it's going to be awesome |
| 12:42.50 | airtonix | but you have to be admin to use it |
| 12:43.23 | Kalroth | Apsolut: There's a write protection on the Program Files folder, so programs cannot normally write to it |
| 12:43.34 | Kalroth | Apsolut: This includes programs already installed in it |
| 12:45.51 | Apsolut | So if that folder is protected, theres got to be a place where all that info is saved, since I dont loose any changes I make to the ui |
| 12:46.16 | airtonix | wut? |
| 12:46.46 | airtonix | did you read above ? |
| 12:47.31 | Kalroth | Apsolut: Yeah, there's a Compatibility Files button in the file lister, I believe |
| 12:47.46 | Kalroth | http://www.hanselman.com/blog/VistasShowCompatibilityFilesAndTheScrumptiousWonderThatIsFileVirtualization.aspx |
| 12:47.48 | airtonix | Kalroth, i'm going to start charging for your time |
| 12:47.49 | Kalroth | see screenshots |
| 12:47.58 | airtonix | 40/60 |
| 12:48.09 | Apsolut | brb, chacking link |
| 12:48.14 | Apsolut | checking* |
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| 12:52.59 | Apsolut | Kalroth: Got the files, thanks a lot for that link! |
| 12:53.08 | Kalroth | np :) |
| 12:53.18 | Apsolut | Kalroth++ |
| 12:53.38 | airtonix | <rating-bot> you have no karma |
| 12:53.41 | Apsolut | And airtonix, thanks for the morning stupidity, always needed |
| 12:54.17 | airtonix | Apsolut, you're welcome. glad to serve as microsoft windows support |
| 12:54.58 | Apsolut | couldn't have said it better myself, you did seem like a microsoft employee |
| 12:59.31 | Apsolut | I have an unrelated question, can disconnects occur due to hardware or are only related to network issues? more specifically, when I raid on my laptop, with fps never going over 10, can I get a dc cause by memory and graphics issues? |
| 12:59.46 | Apsolut | caused* |
| 13:00.14 | airtonix | FPS has no relation to network performance |
| 13:00.58 | Apsolut | I stated my fps so that you could see that my hardware is not helping, but I always thought that disconnects were only related to network, hence the question |
| 13:01.20 | airtonix | um wut ? |
| 13:01.45 | airtonix | read the first part of your question again |
| 13:02.01 | airtonix | therefore : why mention it if it has no bearing on network performance |
| 13:02.52 | airtonix | if you want to test latency, try streaming a video without buffering |
| 13:03.40 | Apsolut | Because I would like to know if hardware limitations such as memory, processor and or graphics cards can produce a disconnection from the server |
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| 13:04.14 | airtonix | ? |
| 13:04.29 | airtonix | long answer no, short answer yes |
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| 13:17.37 | Adys | Apsolut: Yes but it depends a lot |
| 13:17.42 | Adys | what do you actually want to know? |
| 13:18.29 | Adys | youll get desynced by the server if the wow client becomes unresponsive |
| 13:18.40 | Adys | its the most likely case of disconnect |
| 13:25.15 | Apsolut | Ok, I came back from a break and installed WoW on a laptop (Thinkpad SL500) which is rather old, and during most raid encounters I tend to get disconnects. First I had enough addons enabled (auctionator, dbm, skada and MSBT maybe using the most resources) I turned off autionator and dbm and it got slightly better, same after turning off MSBT and then Skada, yet I still got dced, the network... |
| 13:25.17 | Apsolut | ...seemed good enough, at least as good as it used to be when I ran WoW on a desktop computer. |
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| 13:25.53 | Kalroth | That is often caused by shitty netcard drivers |
| 13:26.14 | Kalroth | Or a shitty router, I see it often on wireless networks |
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| 13:26.34 | Kalroth | WoW spams you with a ton of [small] packets and older/cheaper hardware doesn't handle it well |
| 13:26.50 | Apsolut | So testing the laptop hardwired to the network might be an option? |
| 13:27.08 | Kalroth | A friend of mine got a wireless network with zero packet loss or errors - once he logs into wow he gets 5-10% constant packet loss |
| 13:27.14 | Kalroth | Yup, definitely |
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| 13:27.20 | Derabo | hello |
| 13:27.36 | Cairenn | hi |
| 13:27.43 | Kalroth | hi Deraboooo |
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| 13:27.49 | fusionpit | Hi everybody! If I have a save variable named Foo.Bar123, can I "concatenation" the variable - like c = 123 Foo.Bar..c = 999? |
| 13:27.51 | Apsolut | ok, will try that when the new desktop isnt available (several in the house use it, most of the time for work, so it gets priority) |
| 13:28.12 | airtonix | you can't force foo and bar onto a nation of cats |
| 13:28.22 | Apsolut | Thanks again to all |
| 13:28.35 | Kalroth | Apsolut: Aren't you the man in the house?! Just go "Woman, now is no time for facebook!" and take everything else offline! |
| 13:28.38 | Kalroth | aw |
| 13:28.43 | Kalroth | I need to type faster :( |
| 13:28.55 | Arrowmaster | _G["Foo.Bar"..c] = 999 |
| 13:29.10 | Derabo | can someone tell me how I can a 'space' (tabluator?) in lua? like I would do "text \t text" in java |
| 13:29.12 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 13:29.14 | airtonix | i find it hilarious that people use wifi for network gaming |
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| 13:29.31 | Arrowmaster | Foo["Bar"..c] = 999 |
| 13:29.48 | Kalroth | Derabo: \t should work |
| 13:29.52 | Derabo | hmmmm |
| 13:30.00 | Kalroth | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.4.html |
| 13:30.21 | Derabo | then I'm doing something wrong ^^ |
| 13:30.28 | Derabo | I'll give it another try. thank you |
| 13:30.43 | fusionpit | Thanks, Arrowmaster, I tried the global thing but that always returned nil |
| 13:31.26 | karl_w_w | I find it hilarious that airtonix |
| 13:32.01 | airtonix | karl_w_w hilarity ensues |
| 13:33.39 | Derabo | hmmmm I dont get it |
| 13:33.45 | Derabo | print("|cff00ff00"..gblue.."|cFF1E90FF"\t"blue"\t"|cFF1E90FF"..bblue..) |
| 13:33.56 | karl_w_w | faster restarts dammit |
| 13:34.01 | Derabo | should look like var blue var |
| 13:34.12 | airtonix | karl_w_w, press ctrl alt delete faster |
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| 13:35.05 | Derabo | and i get the error: "')' expected near '\'" |
| 13:35.18 | Derabo | any ideas? |
| 13:35.19 | zenzio | why are your "\t" outside the strings? |
| 13:35.43 | Derabo | becauso it didnt work when they were inside ^^ let me try it again |
| 13:35.51 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 13:36.38 | Derabo | you mean like this? |
| 13:36.39 | Derabo | print("|cff00ff00"..gblue.."|cFF1E90FF\tblue\t|cFF1E90FF"..bblue..) |
| 13:36.55 | airtonix | isn't it |t ? not \t |
| 13:37.13 | zenzio | possibly, I don't recall how lua/WoW does those |
| 13:37.14 | karl_w_w | isn't your face? |
| 13:37.22 | zenzio | I'm also not sure if WoW supports tabs or not |
| 13:37.39 | airtonix | karl_w_w, , We should have a battle of wits, but I would never assault an unarmed man |
| 13:38.40 | karl_w_w | yeah, well, your mum! |
| 13:48.02 | Adys | WoW doesn't support tabs, no |
| 13:48.06 | Adys | they render as an unknown glyph |
| 13:49.05 | Adys | Derabo: ^ |
| 13:49.48 | Adys | and in a textbox they'll just be replaced by 4 spaces |
| 13:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | I am soooo tired of all of this damn snow. |
| 13:50.59 | airtonix | it was so hot here yesterday the plastic melted |
| 13:51.20 | airtonix | not even the icecream in the freezer was frozen |
| 13:54.06 | Lopeppeppy | I already said I was moving in with zenzelezz to escape the snowmageddon. |
| 13:54.27 | airtonix | yeah he has the closet ready for you |
| 13:54.29 | zenzio | I've bough rum in anticipation |
| 13:54.32 | zenzio | +t |
| 13:58.12 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:58.13 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | See, he even knows what I like to eat, he's such an awesome host! *grin* |
| 14:00.14 | Fisker | i am pretty awesome |
| 14:00.42 | mitch0 | fisker: how's your swampy bridge? |
| 14:01.40 | Derabo | re. Adys what do you mean with textbox? |
| 14:01.52 | Fisker | i will kill you mitch0 |
| 14:01.58 | Adys | within an input area, a tab will be replaced by 4 spaces |
| 14:02.04 | mitch0 | fisker: har har |
| 14:02.16 | airtonix | for the FBI agent in the channe : Witness the Rage of Fisker |
| 14:02.22 | Adys | within a read-only text area ("text", a tab will be rendered as an unknown glyph |
| 14:02.41 | Derabo | so how do I enter it in a String then? |
| 14:02.51 | Adys | "\t", but you won't. |
| 14:02.54 | Adys | wow doesn't support them |
| 14:03.09 | airtonix | i usually use a keyboard |
| 14:03.28 | Derabo | so is there a way to get to seperated lines start at the same "distance"? |
| 14:03.31 | Fisker | I thought FBI could only operate in the US airtonix |
| 14:03.32 | Derabo | sorry for my english btw |
| 14:03.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:03.45 | Adys | if all you care about is the tabulation character (as in the ascii ordinal #9), you can still use it as "\t" within a string, but it wont ever render |
| 14:03.50 | airtonix | i'm out of probes Fisker |
| 14:03.59 | Adys | Derabo: Yes, by counting spaces |
| 14:04.02 | mitch0 | derabo: use spaces? |
| 14:04.13 | airtonix | you can't have my space |
| 14:04.31 | Derabo | hmmm but if I make two lines with 'variable -space- "String"' |
| 14:04.33 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.43 | Derabo | I want the "String" to be at the same distance in both lines |
| 14:04.57 | Adys | erm, count spaces. |
| 14:05.01 | airtonix | ohnoesomgohnoes |
| 14:05.06 | Adys | especially in this situation a tabulation wouldnt help |
| 14:05.15 | Derabo | but when one variable is 0 and the other is 10 one line is longer o.O |
| 14:05.26 | Derabo | sorry if I dont get it |
| 14:05.30 | Adys | count characters |
| 14:05.33 | mitch0 | derabo: right align the right part? |
| 14:05.53 | mitch0 | meh, OutOfCareException |
| 14:06.04 | Arrowmaster | thats practically impossible to do in the chatframe |
| 14:06.19 | Adys | Derabo: what are you trying to do? a text editor within wow? |
| 14:06.44 | Derabo | hmmm just print some variables in a more pretty way. |
| 14:06.45 | Derabo | like |
| 14:06.49 | Derabo | 1 - 1 green |
| 14:06.53 | Derabo | 2 - 10 blue |
| 14:06.55 | Derabo | it counts gems |
| 14:07.03 | airtonix | 42 - life |
| 14:07.22 | Adys | doesn't lua have builtin space formatting for strings? |
| 14:07.25 | Adys | or was that just python? |
| 14:07.33 | airtonix | no it doesn't |
| 14:07.34 | Adys | like % 8s |
| 14:07.38 | airtonix | python is awesome |
| 14:07.44 | mitch0 | is not |
| 14:08.08 | Adys | >>> "% 10s" % ("fooo") |
| 14:08.08 | Adys | ' fooo' |
| 14:08.11 | Adys | yeah it fucking is :P |
| 14:08.17 | airtonix | obviously not if you don't have a sense of humour |
| 14:08.34 | Adys | Message: [string "return ("%10 s"):format("foo")"]:1: invalid option in `format' |
| 14:08.34 | Adys | =( |
| 14:09.06 | Adys | oh |
| 14:09.15 | airtonix | remember Lua was conceived as allergic reaction to Fortran |
| 14:09.26 | Adys | OH |
| 14:09.27 | Adys | it works |
| 14:09.30 | Adys | im an idiot its space first |
| 14:09.57 | zenzio | like in most printf-variants |
| 14:10.14 | airtonix | adys |
| 14:10.17 | Adys | Derabo: If you want to align to 5 spaces, use "% 5":format("str") |
| 14:10.31 | airtonix | "{0:^30}".format(1) |
| 14:10.48 | Adys | yea i know |
| 14:10.53 | Adys | i dont use str.format in python tho |
| 14:11.04 | zenzio | betting I'll mess this up |
| 14:11.05 | Adys | im too attached to the good old printf syntax |
| 14:11.10 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%-8d", 1000) |
| 14:11.10 | lua_bot | zenzio: 1000 |
| 14:11.24 | Adys | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:11.34 | zenzio | check if it supported "any" character padding |
| 14:11.40 | zenzio | not just space |
| 14:11.59 | Adys | it wouldnt |
| 14:12.01 | zenzio | but being the end of the work day, my already dull mind is not working very well |
| 14:12.14 | Adys | the character just after the % sign determines the exact syntax of the format string |
| 14:12.22 | Fisker | pees on airtonix's leg |
| 14:12.27 | Adys | so you would only have one |
| 14:12.39 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%#8d", 1000) |
| 14:12.40 | lua_bot | zenzio: 1000 |
| 14:12.45 | zenzio | hrm |
| 14:12.55 | zenzio | (obviously "-" was a bad choice, being a sign) |
| 14:12.57 | Adys | lua> ("% -10s"):format("foo") |
| 14:12.58 | lua_bot | Adys: foo |
| 14:13.03 | Adys | lua> ("% 10s"):format("foo") |
| 14:13.03 | lua_bot | Adys: foo |
| 14:13.26 | nevcairiel | funny that the first one even works |
| 14:13.33 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%08d", 1000) |
| 14:13.34 | lua_bot | zenzio: 00001000 |
| 14:13.38 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%a8d", 1000) |
| 14:13.38 | lua_bot | zenzio: luabot:1: invalid option '%a' to 'format' |
| 14:13.52 | zenzio | guess only certain characters work |
| 14:14.03 | Adys | %0 only pads to a specific amount of decimals |
| 14:14.11 | Adys | er |
| 14:14.14 | Adys | of leading zeroes |
| 14:14.14 | nevcairiel | ua> string.format("%08s", 1000) |
| 14:14.14 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%18d", 1000) |
| 14:14.15 | lua_bot | zenzio: 1000 |
| 14:14.25 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%08s", 1000) |
| 14:14.25 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1000 |
| 14:14.32 | nevcairiel | heh. |
| 14:14.35 | zenzio | meh, I must be remembering some other language - or probably *entirely* wrong |
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| 14:15.15 | zenzio | lua> string.format("%1-8d", 1000) |
| 14:15.15 | lua_bot | zenzio: luabot:1: invalid option '%-' to 'format' |
| 14:15.20 | zenzio | all right, I'm done |
| 14:15.32 | Adys | lua> ("% 10s"):format("foo"):gsub("^(%w)+", "+") |
| 14:15.32 | lua_bot | Adys: foo, 0 |
| 14:15.49 | Adys | lua> ("% 10s"):format("foo"):gsub("( )+", "+") |
| 14:15.49 | lua_bot | Adys: foo, 0 |
| 14:15.57 | Adys | wut |
| 14:16.41 | Adys | lua> ("% 10s"):format("foo"):gsub(" ", "+") |
| 14:16.41 | lua_bot | Adys: +++++++foo, 7 |
| 14:16.46 | Adys | eh |
| 14:17.56 | fusionpit | lua> ("% 10s"):format("foo"):gsub(" ", "balls") |
| 14:17.56 | lua_bot | fusionpit: ballsballsballsballsballsballsballsfoo, 7 |
| 14:18.23 | airtonix | balls are touching |
| 14:18.40 | Adys | Derabo: did this solve your problem? |
| 14:19.31 | Kalroth | takes airtonix out the back and shoots him. |
| 14:19.33 | Kalroth | Derabo: did this solve your problem? |
| 14:19.38 | Kalroth | :P |
| 14:19.42 | Adys | it solved mine |
| 14:19.46 | Kalroth | Yaaay |
| 14:20.00 | Maldivia | Adys: everyone knows that the real way to handle balls is to grep them |
| 14:20.13 | airtonix | you can't stop me |
| 14:20.23 | Adys | No command 'grop' found, did you mean: |
| 14:20.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.35 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy! Snow Day! |
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| 14:21.22 | Adys | speaking of groping |
| 14:21.24 | Adys | hi Cide |
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| 14:29.39 | zenzio | Adys: turned out I was thinking of PHP, where sprintf() can take a "use this character for padding" modifier |
| 14:30.02 | Adys | throws up a little |
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| 14:53.01 | industrial | Fisker: I once met a man who gave a shit. Know what I did to him? |
| 14:53.15 | industrial | Nothing. |
| 14:53.50 | Fisker | so if someone throws feces as you, you wouldn't mind? |
| 14:56.59 | industrial | Fisker: I dont give a shit. |
| 14:57.06 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/apple_is_great.jpeg |
| 14:59.09 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/mike.jpg |
| 15:00.53 | Fisker | mikma |
| 15:00.58 | Fisker | someone here just ordered macs |
| 15:01.10 | Fisker | they wanted to use XP so they could use the windows software they used |
| 15:01.20 | Fisker | i assumed bootcamp which is stupid enough as it is |
| 15:01.25 | Fisker | But they want to run it in a VM |
| 15:01.27 | Fisker | rages |
| 15:01.33 | industrial | virtualbox, go! |
| 15:02.16 | airtonix | SemiAutomaticOverRage GO! |
| 15:03.22 | Fisker | i'm mad airtonix |
| 15:03.30 | Fisker | i hate macs |
| 15:03.44 | airtonix | mad enough to Daaannnnce? |
| 15:03.45 | Fisker | i hate macs for installing windows on it |
| 15:03.55 | Fisker | and i hate macs for installing windows in a virtual machine on it |
| 15:04.55 | mikma | wobin: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/meanwhile_in_australia.jpg |
| 15:05.58 | mikma | fisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/huge_capacity.jpg |
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| 15:41.45 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/WdH0h.gif |
| 15:41.57 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 15:42.00 | Cairenn | kitteh! |
| 15:42.04 | bluspacecow | also is it just me or has Shirik had the longest birthday in the world ? |
| 15:42.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy UnBirthday Shirik!!! |
| 15:42.59 | Fisker | yes! |
| 15:43.04 | Fisker | die die die |
| 15:43.07 | Fisker | i mean hello |
| 15:44.38 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/zQ7Bf.gif |
| 15:44.42 | bluspacecow | ^^ Fisker IRL |
| 15:46.14 | airtonix | orly |
| 15:46.25 | airtonix | why am i laughing before even seeing it |
| 15:47.05 | bluspacecow | ya rly |
| 15:47.17 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 15:47.25 | bluspacecow | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:47.39 | Fisker | you probably didn't expect that |
| 15:48.09 | bluspacecow | i di |
| 15:48.39 | Fisker | i di? |
| 15:49.28 | airtonix | i once di |
| 15:49.36 | Fisker | i once you |
| 15:53.09 | bluspacecow | i did |
| 15:53.10 | airtonix | Fisker, are you sure you want to exit the credits ? |
| 15:53.38 | Fisker | i once credited an exit |
| 15:53.44 | Fisker | i also just farted |
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| 15:54.38 | Fisker | base |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | foxlit btw |
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| 16:08.21 | Kraftman | http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914 |
| 16:08.26 | Ackis | hey Fisker I once killed a Torhal|work |
| 16:08.50 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Under a Sandy Bridge? |
| 16:16.22 | Fisker | nice rack Ackis |
| 16:17.15 | Torhal|work | Did you rate his rack, Fisker? |
| 16:17.31 | Fisker | omg Kraftman |
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| 16:23.54 | Ackis | thanks Fisker |
| 16:24.33 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:24.55 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
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| 16:39.12 | Fisker | i saw you in the news Ackis |
| 16:39.30 | Ackis | what did I do now? |
| 16:39.39 | Fisker | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/0b506d2b-970c-467d-9f14-5ce7ddc73a69.jpg |
| 16:39.54 | Ackis | :P |
| 16:40.27 | Fisker | i wish he would've had a headache instead of chest pains in the previous incident |
| 16:41.29 | amro | why wasn't he committed to a mental hospital? |
| 16:41.42 | amro | he was shooting at a FIRE |
| 16:41.52 | amro | that doesn't even work in video games |
| 16:43.47 | Fisker | he shot himself when he had chest pains |
| 16:43.55 | Fisker | he should've been admitted back then |
| 16:44.14 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 16:44.15 | Fisker | he tried |
| 16:44.17 | Fisker | but failed |
| 16:44.24 | Fisker | (his brother stopped him) |
| 16:44.48 | Adys | amro: "This isn't the first time Forthman has refused to dial 911. In 2004, Forthman tried to shoot himself in the torso after having chest pains." |
| 16:44.54 | amro | yes |
| 16:44.55 | amro | I know |
| 16:45.03 | Adys | darwin, where the fuck are you |
| 16:45.08 | Adys | what kind of lazy ass job is that |
| 16:45.19 | Fisker | i should e-mail entertainment@knoxville.com with the subject "wat?" |
| 16:46.07 | airtonix | I'M NOT MENTALLY HANDICAPPED! |
| 16:46.43 | Fisker | i didn't kill my wife |
| 16:47.29 | psymin | speaking of .. how is Reiser? |
| 16:47.36 | Fisker | not good |
| 16:47.57 | TC-Work | Adys: if i ever met darwin i would slap him around for not being more proactive about his ideas |
| 16:48.41 | Adys | "Less procreativity, more proactivity!" -- Charles Darwin |
| 16:49.08 | TC-Work | saying is not doing |
| 16:49.21 | TC-Work | i dont remember him going around slaughtering idiots |
| 16:50.22 | Kraftman | didnt darwing belong to a club that ate rare species? |
| 16:50.46 | amro | the only thing Darwing belonged to was the Aero Club. |
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| 16:51.25 | Kraftman | the gourmet society |
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| 16:58.11 | Fisker | swedish butter Kraftman |
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| 16:58.57 | Kraftman | swedish butteR |
| 16:59.01 | Kraftman | butter?* |
| 16:59.11 | Kraftman | fisker |
| 16:59.23 | airtonix | aha no did you know Darwin suffered from mental illness |
| 16:59.30 | airtonix | i bet you didn't |
| 16:59.35 | airtonix | peasants |
| 16:59.45 | airtonix | clearly not of a rare breed |
| 17:00.36 | Fisker | bam |
| 17:00.41 | Fisker | ps3 now with a rootkit |
| 17:01.07 | airtonix | yeah but you better download it before someone else caves into false sony dmca notices |
| 17:01.36 | Fisker | LOL |
| 17:01.48 | Fisker | someone just compared a rootkit to a bank freezing your account |
| 17:01.49 | Fisker | wat. |
| 17:02.03 | amro | links Fisker |
| 17:02.04 | amro | delicious links |
| 17:02.29 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/972626-official-ps3-firmware-v356-has-a-rootkit/ |
| 17:03.17 | amro | "probably completely legal as you have to agree to the terms when installing. i personally have no issues with this, as i'm not doing anything with my ps3 that sony doesn't care for. " |
| 17:03.30 | amro | I bet he thinks the moon is orbiting him rather than the earth |
| 17:05.38 | amro | "if you diposit an amount well outside of normal range for your account, they will freeze it and check" <- diposit, is that when you withdraw your money immediately? |
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| 17:07.25 | airtonix | Why you need to install Linux on it and make it wash your car is beyond me. |
| 17:07.31 | airtonix | because the cpu is ownage ? |
| 17:07.56 | airtonix | and i would be able to sit back and make money all day on the a1 and b34 corner |
| 17:07.56 | amro | "beyond me" is key |
| 17:08.03 | amro | if it's beyond him, why is he against it? |
| 17:08.09 | amro | that's what I hate about these tards |
| 17:08.12 | airtonix | KNEEL AND COMPLY CITIZEN! |
| 17:08.25 | amro | I can understand not supporting something that doesn't affect you, but being against it is just douchey |
| 17:08.43 | airtonix | no |
| 17:08.54 | airtonix | there is a valid reason for what sony does |
| 17:09.00 | airtonix | but it's not found on those forums |
| 17:09.08 | Torhal|work | installs iOS on Fisker. |
| 17:09.23 | amro | airtonix: no, sony is desperately fighting a losing war |
| 17:09.29 | airtonix | obviously |
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| 17:09.43 | amro | soon enough, piracy will be rampant AND you won't be able to do whatever you want with your ps3 legally |
| 17:09.56 | amro | might as well just let people control the hardware they purchased |
| 17:10.00 | airtonix | but the reason why they do it is to maintain an aggrement with ibm |
| 17:10.21 | amro | IBM's involved? did they design cell? |
| 17:10.23 | airtonix | (the guys who allowed them to undersell the cpu surrounded with a ps3 case) |
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| 17:11.03 | airtonix | i mean ibm are shortsighted idiots to begin with |
| 17:11.10 | airtonix | as if you didn't see linux coming |
| 17:11.20 | airtonix | or maybe they did and want to rape sony |
| 17:11.33 | amro | ibm have historically been assholes |
| 17:11.37 | airtonix | like second hand car salesman |
| 17:11.43 | amro | see: ibm and the holocaust |
| 17:11.45 | airtonix | oh yeah the cars fine |
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| 17:13.12 | airtonix | i wouldn't be surprised if sony in it's paranoid development stage, installed some thermite in the boxes |
| 17:13.27 | airtonix | just enough to cut a hole through the cpu |
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| 17:25.50 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-24729.html |
| 17:31.07 | foxlit | http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/02/01/the-queue-ackis-arrakis/ |
| 17:31.12 | foxlit | wonders what Ackis has done now. |
| 17:32.01 | zenzelezz | Arrakis? He stole spice, didn't he? |
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| 17:33.37 | Ackis | I think I was pinged but I closed my browser |
| 17:33.47 | airtonix | I no longer consider Canada a good nation to migrate to. |
| 17:34.07 | jnwhiteh | amro: did you end up doing anything with RPC? |
| 17:34.12 | jnwhiteh | or are you doing something else? |
| 17:34.19 | Adys | I wish they'd do an Ackis != Adys for this channel |
| 17:34.37 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:34.40 | Ackis | derp |
| 17:34.45 | airtonix | herp |
| 17:35.05 | amro | jnwhiteh: I took a pause for now, getting the clientside rendering up first |
| 17:35.16 | jnwhiteh | having a weird issue with my server |
| 17:35.21 | jnwhiteh | its fine with the first connection |
| 17:35.23 | jnwhiteh | but it can' thandle two at once |
| 17:35.31 | jnwhiteh | the first external command gets killed |
| 17:35.43 | zenzelezz | hey, at least it seems like people know that mikma != mikk != mikord |
| 17:35.52 | jnwhiteh | amro: I have no idea why or how this is happening |
| 17:35.53 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/330646/ |
| 17:37.11 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:38.02 | amro | jnwhiteh: what happens exactly? w, err := cmd.Wait(0) returns prematurely? |
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| 17:38.19 | jnwhiteh | Actually, it appears that both processes sigsegv |
| 17:38.22 | jnwhiteh | which makes NO sense |
| 17:38.31 | amro | weird |
| 17:38.42 | jnwhiteh | but I'm getting a 'signal 11' error |
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| 17:39.17 | amro | isn't that just SIGSEGV? |
| 17:39.22 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 17:39.32 | jnwhiteh | but it only happens when the second connection shows up |
| 17:40.22 | amro | have you tried running the commands from the shell, just for kicks? im not familiar with httperf but it could be the one segfaulting |
| 17:40.29 | jnwhiteh | nope its not |
| 17:40.36 | jnwhiteh | the commands run absolutely fine if they're 1 at a time. |
| 17:40.52 | amro | I mean running both commands in parallel, from the shell |
| 17:40.57 | amro | split em off in the bg |
| 17:41.00 | jnwhiteh | yes, it works fine. |
| 17:42.11 | Fisker | you need full admin privileges jnwhiteh |
| 17:42.18 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM |
| 17:43.08 | amro | jnwhiteh: would it be easy to attach gdb to the processes and see where they crap out? |
| 17:43.15 | jnwhiteh | probably not, no. |
| 17:43.21 | jnwhiteh | it seems to be working properly for sleep |
| 17:43.26 | Fisker | obvious troll haste |
| 17:43.28 | jnwhiteh | so maybe its just something weird about the environment |
| 17:43.28 | Fisker | also old |
| 17:43.30 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 17:44.08 | amro | it's either a bug in in exec.Run or httperf, not sure how to flush it out |
| 17:44.11 | airtonix | gdb? |
| 17:44.29 | amro | gnu debugger |
| 17:45.31 | jnwhiteh | yeah seems like an issue somehow with httperf |
| 17:45.35 | jnwhiteh | it works just fine with /bin/sleep |
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| 17:45.50 | Fisker | i once debugged a gnu |
| 17:46.16 | Fisker | did you debug a gnu jnwhiteh ? |
| 17:46.23 | jnwhiteh | sadly no. |
| 17:46.56 | Fisker | you would wish you had |
| 17:47.38 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:47.42 | Fisker | one of our schools got macs |
| 17:47.57 | Fisker | and they said they wanted XP on it so they could use our software |
| 17:48.01 | Fisker | then we figured bootcamp |
| 17:48.05 | Fisker | but they want virtualbox |
| 17:48.06 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 17:48.26 | airtonix | why |
| 17:48.38 | airtonix | windows sucks |
| 17:48.59 | airtonix | so having to reboot to use it sucks even more |
| 17:49.30 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_19007_6-reasons-kittens-suck-learned-while-raising-them.html |
| 17:49.49 | Fisker | they don't want to use os x airtonix |
| 17:49.59 | airtonix | so much more fail |
| 17:49.59 | amro | jnwhiteh: it might be overkill, but I'd try running gdb instead and passing in httperf and args |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker | they literally want to have it boot up, then start XP in a VM |
| 17:50.09 | airtonix | morans |
| 17:50.14 | Fisker | yes, very. |
| 17:50.17 | jnwhiteh | amro: yeah I may give that a try |
| 17:50.27 | jnwhiteh | amro: just not sure how i'd interact with the processes :p |
| 17:50.33 | Fisker | unfortunately we have no say in the matter, nor am i allowed to decapitate such morans |
| 17:50.44 | amro | jnwhiteh: Cmd.Stdin/Stdout should work from what I'm reading |
| 17:50.56 | airtonix | you weren't even asked for advice ? |
| 17:51.00 | jnwhiteh | that is going to be an utter nightmare |
| 17:51.14 | Fisker | basically not airtonix |
| 17:51.21 | amro | maybe, all you have to pass to stdin is "run\n" then "bt\n" |
| 17:51.22 | Fisker | we were told they might be going macs |
| 17:51.28 | Fisker | then we asked to be allowed to consult on it |
| 17:51.32 | airtonix | is it a federal decision ? |
| 17:51.35 | Fisker | then today we were told they arrive |
| 17:51.37 | Fisker | arrived* |
| 17:51.57 | amro | or you could somehow hook it with the go process's stdin/out and interact directly |
| 17:52.05 | Fisker | the IT counsellor(or whatever you can call it) decides together with the school board |
| 17:52.06 | amro | but you'd have to queue them then after they crash |
| 17:52.41 | jnwhiteh | amro: whats bt? |
| 17:52.47 | amro | gets gdb to print a backtrace |
| 17:52.55 | Adys | interactively debugs jnwhiteh |
| 17:53.05 | Adys | I'm off. bai |
| 17:53.10 | jnwhiteh | can't I just have it produce a coredump? |
| 17:53.16 | jnwhiteh | that would be much nicer :P |
| 17:53.31 | amro | I don't know how =P |
| 17:53.54 | Adys | generate-core-file |
| 17:53.54 | amro | I usually work directly from gdb |
| 17:54.00 | amro | or kdevelop's gdp frontend |
| 17:54.25 | amro | gdb* |
| 17:54.30 | amro | been reading too much finance news recently |
| 18:00.42 | jnwhiteh | amro: it seems to work fine when I'm going to multiple clients |
| 18:00.51 | jnwhiteh | so I guess I'll just have to push forward or debug it more later |
| 18:00.57 | jnwhiteh | going to two worker machines works |
| 18:01.01 | jnwhiteh | and that's what I really need, so =) |
| 18:01.15 | jnwhiteh | I love that I can compile go binaries and just move them to another machine |
| 18:01.25 | jnwhiteh | for what I'm doing right now, that is pwn. |
| 18:02.43 | amro | jnwhiteh: what do you mean by worker machines? is that related to httperf's operation or the go stuff |
| 18:03.51 | jnwhiteh | neither |
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| 18:04.12 | jnwhiteh | httperf benchmarks |
| 18:04.17 | jnwhiteh | but only from one machine to another |
| 18:04.22 | jnwhiteh | I need multi-client hitting the same server |
| 18:04.24 | jnwhiteh | https://github.com/jnwhiteh/autohttperf |
| 18:04.39 | jnwhiteh | this is a basic RPC server which distributes a given benchmark across multiple workers |
| 18:06.18 | amro | I tried reading up on httperf but they lost me at "ibm" |
| 18:06.28 | Primer | Anyone aware of an addon that is responsible for "closing" your mail and bank tabs? By "closing" I mean, the close noise happens, but the windows stay up and are unusable? |
| 18:07.07 | jnwhiteh | amro: its better than ab |
| 18:07.10 | jnwhiteh | thats all you need to know =) |
| 18:07.48 | jnwhiteh | okay, brb |
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| 18:23.20 | jnwhiteh | amro: i'm gonna see if I can force mac to allow core dumps |
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| 18:23.57 | amro | make sure you're compiling httperf with -g |
| 18:24.02 | amro | or you'll get a big load of useless |
| 18:24.06 | jnwhiteh | blarg |
| 18:24.08 | jnwhiteh | that might be difficult |
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| 18:28.53 | Ackis | this makes me sad :( http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png |
| 18:29.24 | mikma | i can do a useless zenzelezz ping too, cause it's funny |
| 18:30.05 | jnwhiteh | mmm |
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| 18:31.38 | Ackis | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/M3G7f.png what do you think? |
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| 18:34.58 | amro | Ackis: I think your days of lawling at the us are coming to an end |
| 18:35.26 | Ackis | I'm actually writing a letter to my MP about this bullshit |
| 18:35.35 | amro | as you should |
| 18:36.24 | amro | Ackis: http://saveournet.ca/ too btw |
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| 18:49.33 | kyle___ | o_o |
| 18:49.45 | kyle___ | prods the channel. |
| 18:49.57 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 18:50.11 | Jamash | there is no channel, only zuul |
| 18:50.21 | kyle___ | ahoy |
| 18:50.57 | kyle___ | that seems like a good line for a tshirt |
| 18:51.58 | amro | hi kyle___ |
| 18:52.01 | amro | are you saving a spot for someone? |
| 18:52.16 | kyle___ | o.O no |
| 18:52.24 | amro | I don't get the ____ then |
| 18:52.31 | kyle___ | mkay |
| 18:53.46 | imsorryurconfuse | doesn't quite fit |
| 18:53.54 | Jamash | that's what she said |
| 18:54.02 | imsorryurconfuse | lol |
| 19:02.56 | Godhand | didn't like that guy anyway |
| 19:04.41 | Torhal|work | o.O |
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| 19:06.54 | jnwhiteh | amro: looks like its an assertion in httperf... but I have absolutely no idea why.. |
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| 19:14.40 | jnwhiteh | amro: I can get around it by running bash -c httperf |
| 19:14.44 | jnwhiteh | which definitely shows its a bug |
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| 19:18.41 | amro | jnwhiteh: try running env, I have a hunch it might not be setting something properly |
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| 19:20.04 | jnwhiteh | ack, i dont get stdout this way. |
| 19:20.06 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:21.06 | Ackis | http://www.wwl.com/Report--100-sled-dogs-killed-after-business-slows/9097938 |
| 19:21.33 | amro | jnwhiteh: does exec use os.ForkExec internally? |
| 19:21.41 | jnwhiteh | afaik, yes. |
| 19:21.57 | amro | it could be that weird env/PATH issue |
| 19:22.07 | jnwhiteh | which one? |
| 19:22.15 | jnwhiteh | I can give it an empty environment |
| 19:22.17 | jnwhiteh | if that helps |
| 19:23.10 | amro | the one I had to workaround by using a full path to env |
| 19:23.13 | amro | pid, err := os.ForkExec("/usr/bin/env", []string{"/usr/bin/env", "gomake"}, os.Environ(), "", []*os.File{nil, w, w}) |
| 19:23.15 | jnwhiteh | ah no |
| 19:23.20 | jnwhiteh | I always use shexec, err := exec.LookPath("bash") |
| 19:23.24 | jnwhiteh | so I have the full path =) |
| 19:23.39 | amro | yes, but if the environment is borked, it could explain why httperf misbehaves |
| 19:24.16 | jnwhiteh | with env it crashes |
| 19:24.33 | amro | okay, scratch that theory |
| 19:24.39 | jnwhiteh | but with bash -c it works |
| 19:24.46 | jnwhiteh | so its _something_ =) |
| 19:25.31 | amro | yeah, you're probably going to have to compile a debug version of httperf though |
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| 19:40.16 | jnwhiteh | I have |
| 19:40.23 | jnwhiteh | and its an assertion that's in httperf |
| 19:40.28 | jnwhiteh | but I can't be going through all that code |
| 19:40.31 | jnwhiteh | so I guess I quit |
| 19:40.42 | jnwhiteh | running it through bash doesn't work.. nor does env |
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| 19:41.40 | amro | what's the assertion? |
| 19:45.09 | jnwhiteh | not getting it on these sets |
| 19:45.22 | jnwhiteh | its just a SIGSEGV at core.c:1221 |
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| 19:46.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah I just can't get this crap working on the same machine |
| 19:46.28 | jnwhiteh | maybe I can repro it |
| 19:48.37 | amro | jnwhiteh: what version are you running? |
| 19:48.42 | jnwhiteh | 0.9.0 |
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| 19:50.57 | jnwhiteh | something is borked with httperf, methinks. |
| 19:51.32 | Ackis | "Imagine a corporation that controls the phone or cable lines, operates a GSM network, owns terrestrial TV and radio broadcasters, and operates multiple pay TV channels - a nightmare of vertical integration and concentrated, nearly unaccountable economic power." |
| 19:52.09 | amro | jnwhiteh: definitely. for starters, they have this printable line limit bullshit going on in the source |
| 19:52.10 | amro | it' |
| 19:52.14 | amro | it's like reading a receipt |
| 19:52.58 | jnwhiteh | unfortunately functionality-wise, its good |
| 19:53.15 | amro | well from what i can gather 0.9 is several revisions old |
| 19:53.28 | amro | which doesn't mean much, there's like 6 months between revisions |
| 19:53.43 | amro | I'd try the trunk version |
| 19:53.43 | amro | http://code.google.com/p/httperf/ |
| 19:53.48 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 19:53.50 | Jamash | elephants never forget a revision |
| 19:54.29 | Jamash | it's a scientifical factoid |
| 19:55.51 | Godhand | i heard some do |
| 19:58.07 | Godhand | white ones |
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| 20:04.22 | jnwhiteh | amro: I just wish I could identify if this is a Go issue or a httperf issue =/ |
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| 20:05.32 | amro | jnwhiteh: I'm leaning more towards httperf, go is just exposing the bg |
| 20:05.33 | amro | bug* |
| 20:09.01 | Shirik | It's always a go issue |
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| 20:16.48 | zenzelezz | "[F1sk] destroyed [fesk]" o_O |
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| 20:21.06 | zenzelezz | http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/02/01/maplestory-europes-economy-collapses-due-to-currency-exploit/ - somewhat interesting |
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| 20:24.22 | Kraftman | i read the link without "maplestory", expected something completely different |
| 20:24.40 | zenzelezz | haha |
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| 20:36.37 | Ackis | http://knightsofamaranthine.wowstead.com/forums/public-forum/general-wow-discussion/1035811-how-to-get-a-wow-signature anyone have any other suggestions? |
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| 20:45.21 | Shirik | why would you want that |
| 20:45.35 | Shirik | I should just make a signature-sized canvas and put "full of awesome" on it |
| 20:48.32 | Ackis | I just want a dynamic signature like best-signatures, but smaller for my own purposes really |
| 20:48.45 | Shirik | ~wiki world cup competition |
| 20:49.00 | Shirik | aw it was fixed |
| 20:49.13 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_cup_competition&oldid=411443315 |
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| 21:04.39 | batrick | HAI SHIRIK |
| 21:06.53 | Nechckn | Mubarak makes a semi-graceful exit, or is at least trying to do so. *Although the English on-the-fly translation is pure crap. |
| 21:08.37 | Cide | http://gallerioutlet.se/res/Oljemalningar/nad276.jpg |
| 21:08.41 | Cide | whoops. mt |
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| 21:14.24 | Shirik | batrick |
| 21:14.36 | Shirik | wheat soup |
| 21:14.55 | Ackis | hey Shirik I did the worm boss in BWD last night and I was tied for #1 healing with a paly... it that normal or am I OP? |
| 21:15.07 | Shirik | are you a priest? |
| 21:15.09 | karl_w_w | you're op |
| 21:15.13 | Ackis | yeah |
| 21:15.16 | Shirik | Then you suck |
| 21:15.19 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:15.27 | Shirik | You should not be tying a pally, you should be destroying them |
| 21:15.39 | Ackis | I destroyed the second pally in the group |
| 21:15.45 | Ackis | 2-3x his effective healing |
| 21:15.52 | Shirik | what's your mastery? |
| 21:15.55 | Ackis | him and I were raid heals, pally that tied me was tank |
| 21:16.08 | Shirik | wait are you disc or holy? |
| 21:16.17 | Ackis | 16.29 now |
| 21:16.18 | Ackis | holy |
| 21:16.21 | Ackis | first raid :P |
| 21:16.29 | Shirik | ok what was your top heal? |
| 21:16.38 | Ackis | PoH |
| 21:16.54 | Ackis | CoH next iirc, and third was renew or PoM |
| 21:17.04 | Ackis | (I also did 1k dps on the fight /cheer) |
| 21:17.27 | Cide | lolwat |
| 21:17.47 | Ackis | wanded during phase transitions/mana dog |
| 21:17.51 | Cide | there's not even enough raid damage on magmaw to keep a single healer busy |
| 21:17.57 | Cide | err |
| 21:17.58 | Cide | tank damage |
| 21:18.17 | Cide | so I don't see how your aoe healing can be tied with the tank healer |
| 21:18.26 | Cide | unless he overhealed a shitton |
| 21:18.37 | Ackis | shrugs |
| 21:18.42 | Ackis | it was a flawless kill |
| 21:18.48 | Ackis | (got the cheev in fact) |
| 21:18.55 | Cide | nice |
| 21:19.00 | Shirik | ok your spells are totally backwards |
| 21:19.03 | Cide | we just do it with a prot warrior nowadays |
| 21:19.07 | Shirik | Your top two spells should be renew and your mastery heal |
| 21:19.37 | Ackis | I thought PoH was better than renew right now (until it gets buffed next patch) |
| 21:19.53 | Shirik | If you listen to math, yes |
| 21:20.12 | Shirik | Except the problem is math rarely follows the way a fight actually goes |
| 21:20.19 | Ackis | this was a fight where everyone was grouped up so PoH was able to hit all 5 targets |
| 21:20.39 | Shirik | let me pull up my last kill |
| 21:20.51 | Ackis | my biggest issue I think was that I had trouble staying in my mastery |
| 21:20.55 | Ackis | s/mastery/chakra/ |
| 21:21.39 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/scarlet-crusade/ackis/advanced |
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| 21:21.46 | Ackis | new staff and wand from after the raid |
| 21:21.47 | Cide | same cooldown as duration (or less) |
| 21:21.52 | Cide | so you can always stay in chakra |
| 21:22.17 | Shirik | ok I don't have a log for some reason |
| 21:22.20 | Shirik | but trust me |
| 21:22.24 | Shirik | I'm not saying don't use poh |
| 21:22.27 | Shirik | I'm saying you don't use renew enough |
| 21:22.29 | Ackis | yeah the chakra is just me still being a newb with it |
| 21:22.38 | Ackis | I found that my renew would make me go oom too much |
| 21:22.42 | Shirik | keep in mind that poh has a significant flaw: It does all its healing at once |
| 21:22.57 | Ackis | yeah, that's not an issue when the entire group was 20% down |
| 21:23.01 | Cide | that's often the good thing with it :P |
| 21:23.12 | Ackis | I should start logging my fights |
| 21:23.13 | Shirik | I believe you when you say that |
| 21:23.16 | Ackis | what do you use Shirik? |
| 21:23.20 | Shirik | However, there is something seriously wrong if you're tied with a paladin |
| 21:23.26 | Cide | overhealing |
| 21:23.29 | Cide | by the paladin |
| 21:23.37 | Shirik | He said effective |
| 21:23.49 | Ackis | aye |
| 21:24.05 | Cide | shrug |
| 21:24.20 | Shirik | what's your combat regen? |
| 21:24.23 | Cide | I'm guessing there was another raid healer |
| 21:24.26 | Shirik | Mine's about 3700 in a 10-man |
| 21:24.30 | Shirik | Cide: Another paladin |
| 21:24.45 | Cide | lawl |
| 21:25.26 | Ackis | 3645 is my ooc regen, don't have incombat right now (90% of that?) |
| 21:25.38 | Cide | did you know I have 3.5k spirit |
| 21:26.03 | Shirik | this is from a LONG time ago |
| 21:26.06 | Shirik | but look at this spell breakdown |
| 21:26.07 | Shirik | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d4vkxx83x1nl23ic/details/24/?enc=bosses |
| 21:26.13 | Shirik | That's closer to what I would expect to see |
| 21:26.41 | Shirik | (lately echo of light has been #1 for me) |
| 21:27.00 | Cide | that's interesting shirik |
| 21:27.15 | Cide | you have no one spell that accounts for over 25% of your healing? |
| 21:27.22 | Cide | or whatever your mastery is at |
| 21:27.46 | Shirik | why should it? |
| 21:27.55 | Cide | just seems strange |
| 21:28.07 | Shirik | though back then I think my mastery was closer to 15% |
| 21:28.10 | Shirik | ok seriously I gotta go to work |
| 21:28.10 | Shirik | bye |
| 21:28.13 | Cide | later |
| 21:28.55 | Ackis | cia |
| 21:29.47 | Cide | fbi |
| 21:35.17 | foxlit | heh, tankspot |
| 21:35.24 | foxlit | The video intro is like "BOOBS! BOOBS! TANKSPOT!" |
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| 21:52.56 | Kraps | nepotism is strictly disallowed |
| 21:53.06 | Kraps | except for family members |
| 21:54.25 | Lunessa | The beatings will continue until morale improves. |
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| 22:24.15 | Kraps | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/02/google-catches-bing-copying-microsoft-says-so-what.ars |
| 22:30.28 | foxlit | I'm surprised they still haven't fixed resource node phasing |
| 22:30.47 | zenzelezz | I think it's intentional |
| 22:31.01 | zenzelezz | the GMs take their breaks sitting around watching people desperately try to beat the phasing |
| 22:31.16 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
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| 22:43.46 | Scotepi | What file encoding should I use for zhTW, i was using ANSI for my toc and \### for the Title however I was informed by a user that it doesnt work |
| 22:44.02 | Scotepi | I cant get that charicters to show up right in UTF-8 either |
| 22:45.31 | Scotepi | ok, looks like utf-8 error is notpad++ |
| 22:52.27 | Scotepi | does I need the windows language pack addons installed inorder to work with localizations? |
| 22:53.48 | foxlit | ~8ball |
| 22:53.48 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Reply hazy, try again |
| 22:55.52 | foxlit | purl is surprisingly adept at guessing what I meant :P |
| 22:56.06 | Kraps | "Theyâre like that strange dream you had, the one with your sister, and the rain. You just donât talk about it." |
| 22:59.48 | Scotepi | is there a good resource to working with localization? the wowpedia page ive been using sucks.. it doesnt mention file encoding |
| 23:00.11 | Scotepi | i looked at a few of my addons and they use utf8 however my edior isnt working with it so well |
| 23:01.57 | foxlit | curse has a localisation faq |
| 23:03.51 | foxlit | But as far as I can tell, that's basically a very long way of saying "use utf8!" |
| 23:05.23 | Scotepi | yeah, i am however I can't seam to get it out of curseforge, i copy and paste and its turns into [] |
| 23:05.27 | Arrowmaster | notepad++ had issues with korean at one time, dont know if it still does, but everything else should be fine |
| 23:05.39 | Scotepi | im installing the language packs now in windows to see if it heps |
| 23:05.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah you must have fonts that can actually display the characters |
| 23:06.33 | Scotepi | it shows fine in firefox and chrome |
| 23:07.41 | Arrowmaster | are you sure you have your editor set to utf8, and its not ridiculously outdated? |
| 23:08.17 | zenzelezz | remember, if you started your file as ANSI in Notepad++, you have to use "Convert to UTF-8", not just "Encode as UTF-8" |
| 23:12.43 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2709-Magneto-Was-Right |
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| 23:33.54 | foxlit | Kraps: neat. |
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