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| 00:17.01 | DJJeff | FFS Ackis Recipie List on "RELEASE" is glitching |
| 00:17.11 | DJJeff | im gonna screenshot this.... so annoying |
| 00:18.25 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/Ptfjo.jpg |
| 00:18.40 | DJJeff | ARL was much better before that changed it to this "TRAINER" crap |
| 00:18.40 | kraftman_ | oh god it burns |
| 00:20.33 | DJJeff | I know my UI sucks but still addons on "RELEASE" should not bug like this |
| 00:21.27 | DJJeff | like there is no close button unless I /reload my UI |
| 00:21.43 | kraftman_ | maybe you could fix it for him :P |
| 00:22.18 | DJJeff | maybe I will |
| 00:22.39 | DJJeff | how many versions do I need to go back to remove this "TRAINER" crap |
| 00:22.46 | kraftman_ | 7 |
| 00:23.34 | DJJeff | I want the "SCAN" back |
| 00:24.16 | Kraps | ffs quit raging |
| 00:25.30 | uniplex | do any of you guys use grid? |
| 00:25.37 | Kraps | i do |
| 00:25.43 | Wobin | uses freebgrid |
| 00:25.54 | Wobin | <3 freebgrid |
| 00:26.04 | uniplex | is there a way to move people around in grid? |
| 00:26.13 | Wobin | generally no |
| 00:26.25 | uniplex | shouldnt there be? |
| 00:26.37 | Kraps | idk, it has powerful options |
| 00:26.42 | Wobin | well I'm fairly sure you can sort by class |
| 00:26.43 | TMc51 | Not really. If you need somebody moved, ask the raid leader to toss them into a dif group or something. |
| 00:26.59 | uniplex | pretty much every raid dungeon im in i wish i could maybe move the tank and healers around |
| 00:27.19 | Wobin | eh, that's what the icon is for |
| 00:27.27 | uniplex | not to a different group, but the position in that group that grid places them |
| 00:27.46 | Wobin | can't you order them within the group? |
| 00:27.53 | Wobin | it's -really- been a while since I raided =P |
| 00:27.58 | uniplex | i dont know |
| 00:28.03 | uniplex | thats what im asking |
| 00:28.18 | Wobin | tried it in the raid interface? |
| 00:28.40 | uniplex | im not totally sure i have though i know ive looked for a way |
| 00:31.48 | uniplex | does the api have a way for checking if a target has a certain buff? |
| 00:32.02 | kraftman_ | UnitAura() |
| 00:32.08 | uniplex | ty |
| 00:32.10 | kraftman_ | !api UnitAura |
| 00:32.10 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 00:32.40 | uniplex | i think my idea of autoswitching beacon is possible |
| 00:34.09 | kraftman_ | i think rather than looping through all aura,s you can add in the aura you want to check |
| 00:34.21 | kraftman_ | eg UnitAura("player", "Lifebloom") |
| 00:34.25 | kraftman_ | if that helps |
| 00:34.37 | A-KO | okay |
| 00:34.37 | uniplex | cool |
| 00:34.42 | A-KO | what's an easy way to avoid Rohash's wind blast? |
| 00:34.43 | A-KO | I mean |
| 00:34.50 | A-KO | he starts casting it almost as soon as he turns a direction |
| 00:35.08 | Cide | you can't order them in group |
| 00:35.15 | Cide | besides, grid sorts by name |
| 00:35.22 | uniplex | that blows |
| 00:35.33 | Cide | why do you even care |
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| 00:36.01 | uniplex | why do i care that tanks and healers are placed randomly in grid when im a healer? |
| 00:36.07 | Cide | yes |
| 00:36.14 | Cide | I'm a healer |
| 00:36.18 | uniplex | that should be obvious enough |
| 00:36.20 | Cide | and I couldn't care less |
| 00:36.42 | Cide | no, set up main tank frames like every other healer |
| 00:36.52 | Cide | did I mention I invented those? |
| 00:36.58 | Xyphoid | doesn't grid have sort options, i could have sworn there was stuff like 'list tanks then healers then proles' |
| 00:37.10 | Cide | not that I've found |
| 00:37.24 | Kraps | what are main tank frames? |
| 00:37.24 | Cide | since the move to the raid header the sort options are limited anyway |
| 00:37.46 | Cide | dedicated frames for watching the players set up as tanks in the raid interface |
| 00:38.40 | Kraps | you can do that in grid? |
| 00:38.46 | Cide | no |
| 00:38.51 | Cide | but in several other addons |
| 00:39.04 | uniplex | also, i need a scalable, movable and sizable icon bar |
| 00:39.05 | Cide | you usually have another addon for player/target frames |
| 00:44.23 | uniplex | as soon as a script triggers a gcd, it ends, correct? |
| 00:44.43 | Cide | if by scripts you mean macros? |
| 00:44.50 | Cide | regardless of what you mean the answer is no |
| 00:49.43 | uniplex | does the api offer any sort of parent environment that a script can use to store data for reuse of the script? |
| 00:50.24 | DJJeff | pokes Ackis |
| 00:51.30 | uniplex | so, a usable, and also changable parent environment? I'd rather do that than resort to files. |
| 00:51.47 | kraftman_ | what do you mean? |
| 00:51.47 | Cide | no |
| 00:51.53 | Cide | use the right tool for the job |
| 00:52.03 | uniplex | a file? |
| 00:52.10 | Cide | *of course* |
| 00:52.15 | uniplex | bleh |
| 00:53.31 | uniplex | it should work just as well though, you're right |
| 00:54.33 | uniplex | well im sorta excited, though the api is so limited, I still have some really sweet uses for it |
| 00:57.04 | kraftman_ | what u got planned? |
| 00:57.57 | Kraps | ~180 seconds |
| 00:58.02 | Adys | Cide |
| 00:58.03 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/RvphI.jpg |
| 00:58.05 | Adys | I'm awesome. |
| 00:58.06 | Kraps | ~g 180 seconds |
| 00:58.42 | uniplex | my first order of business will be beacon of light management |
| 00:59.17 | uniplex | I need a state machine though because i dont want it to switch every time |
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| 01:13.26 | uniplex | Cide: if i call a script from a macro, and in the script a gcd is triggered, that doesnt have to be the last gcd triggered from the script? |
| 01:13.48 | uniplex | in that instance of the macro? |
| 01:14.09 | Dagmar | Pretty sure s/last/only/ |
| 01:15.16 | Arrowmaster | and there are probably only a few remote cases where you can even trigger a gcd from lua |
| 01:15.56 | Arrowmaster | i can only think of tracking unless something has changed since i last played |
| 01:15.58 | Adys | Arrowmaster: summoning pets/mounts is possible isnt it? |
| 01:16.27 | Arrowmaster | and that |
| 01:16.43 | uniplex | maybe i need to look at the api again, i though you could cast any spell |
| 01:16.45 | Arrowmaster | companions/mounts, not combat pets |
| 01:17.23 | Arrowmaster | spell casting is limited to macros and secure templates |
| 01:17.51 | uniplex | ah, and not from a script called by a macro? |
| 01:18.19 | uniplex | this is my first time ever looking at any of this, excuse my ignorance pls |
| 01:19.50 | Dagmar | Basically, you can't use it to make decisions for you |
| 01:20.39 | uniplex | because of what exactly? |
| 01:22.20 | alestane | Reason: game designer decision. Mechanism: code "taint." |
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| 01:23.00 | Dagmar | Real reason: "Excessive numbers of iwin buttons" |
| 01:23.12 | Dagmar | "Very small numbers of drinking birds paying subscription fees" |
| 01:23.55 | uniplex | i understand them wanting a reason, I just dont see exctly how they can accomplish it other than limiting the api |
| 01:24.04 | Dagmar | They did. |
| 01:24.23 | uniplex | so you cant cast any spell from the api... |
| 01:24.35 | Dagmar | That's about it |
| 01:24.53 | alestane | Basically, whenever add-on code touches the UI code, it leaves a "mark" that the API can recognize as meaning it's untrusted. |
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| 01:25.11 | Dagmar | More appropriately (as far as I know) it removes one |
| 01:26.08 | alestane | There's a flag. Whether it sets or clears that flag is laregely immaterial. |
| 01:26.10 | alestane | sp* |
| 01:26.20 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 01:27.00 | Dagmar | Every time someone figures out a way to get around it, BOOM we get more restrictions |
| 01:27.22 | Iriel | Dagmar: "untainted" is a clear flag |
| 01:27.34 | Iriel | Dagmar: "tainted" is a flag that indicates which addon is responsible |
| 01:27.45 | Iriel | Though as alestane notes, the effect is the same regardless |
| 01:28.00 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:28.04 | alestane | While, in the case of the ChatEdit exploit, we didn't really get more restrictions, they just made the sandbox tighter. |
| 01:28.40 | uniplex | so a lua script called from a macro is considered an add-on |
| 01:28.47 | Dagmar | looks at his buffs that won't go away |
| 01:28.49 | Iriel | Yes |
| 01:29.11 | Iriel | Specifically /run appears like an addon |
| 01:29.15 | Iriel | as far as the taint system is concerned |
| 01:29.22 | alestane | It's "user code" rather than "creator code," so yes. |
| 01:30.32 | uniplex | and in a macro, only 1 gcd can ever be triggered from it, and you have 256 chars to accomplish that |
| 01:31.58 | alestane | The GCD restriction doesn't apply only to macros, it also kicks in if you just press the buttons for multiple spells at once. |
| 01:32.00 | Kraps | wondering if i should use a ME1 save file, i can already see that playing ME1 will suck |
| 01:32.43 | alestane | A macro should basically be treated the same way, as if you were putting your fingers on several keys and pushing them all at once. |
| 01:33.38 | uniplex | well you've blown my hopes of gaining any unfair advantages out the water |
| 01:33.39 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: or you could just play the game from the begning |
| 01:33.48 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: #2 i mean |
| 01:34.02 | alestane | That's sort of what the system is for, uniplex. |
| 01:34.10 | alestane | They want people playing the game, not interfaces. |
| 01:34.33 | uniplex | I'm still going to have a closer look anyways :o |
| 01:34.41 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: that assumes mostly renegade options, which i'm trying to avoid |
| 01:35.07 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: wait, what? |
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| 01:36.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: starting a brand new ME2 game assumed you did mostly renegade in the previous game |
| 01:36.32 | Kraps | assumes* |
| 01:36.36 | Corrodias2 | although it does let you choose some of the big decisions |
| 01:36.45 | Corrodias2 | as i recall, there are 3 or 4 questions it asks |
| 01:37.17 | Kraps | Corrodias2: they took all but 1 out at or near release |
| 01:37.27 | Corrodias2 | if you want to start ME2 in a specific way, though, there are ME1 save files available online for a lot of combinations |
| 01:37.37 | Corrodias2 | at http://masseffectsaves.com/ |
| 01:37.48 | Kraps | Corrodias2: yeah, looking at them now |
| 01:38.02 | Corrodias2 | funny: bioware decides not to let you choose, but since it's a PC game, look at that, people make up their own way. |
| 01:38.11 | Corrodias2 | clearly, they should have made it console-only so jerks like us can't make our own fun. |
| 01:38.53 | Kraps | heh, i think there is a way to do it on consoles but its really complicated |
| 01:38.58 | Corrodias2 | though i believe you're right on that |
| 01:39.49 | Corrodias2 | not sure how complicated it is, but it definitely isn't just dropping a file in a folder and clicking go. |
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| 01:49.45 | Kraps | "If you imported a Mass Effect save file they will ask you about who joined the Council. Whatever you answer will be assumed true regardless of what choice you actually made. i.e you chose Captain Anderson to join the Council but in this question you answer Ambassador Udina. Udina will be the Councilor if you answer this way." |
| 01:49.51 | Kraps | weird |
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| 01:50.24 | Corrodias2 | do they mean during the ride, or do they mean before the game begins? |
| 01:50.28 | Kraps | maybe a new game is different? |
| 01:50.38 | Kraps | during the ride |
| 01:50.42 | Corrodias2 | huh. |
| 01:50.46 | Corrodias2 | wild. |
| 01:50.56 | Kraps | needs to investigate |
| 01:51.25 | Kraps | i've been playing with imported characters till now |
| 01:52.28 | Thunder_Child | anyone playing DCUO? |
| 01:52.55 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: are you? |
| 01:53.16 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no, just curious what people think of it |
| 02:00.45 | Kraps | Corrodias2: so far, a new maleshep has not saved the council and romanced ashley |
| 02:02.16 | Thunder_Child | ok, this is an amazing concept http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLrPOTYNQg |
| 02:16.48 | Kraps | Corrodias2: they dont ask about the council in a new shep game |
| 02:16.49 | uniplex | IsLinuxClient() <- winex? |
| 02:17.03 | Corrodias2 | hm |
| 02:17.17 | Corrodias2 | well, i may just be remembering what i read about them planning to let you do. i never tried it myself. |
| 02:18.07 | Iriel | Shepherd being male is just wrong |
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| 02:25.21 | SqueeG | omg fallout mmo >.< |
| 02:25.22 | Kraps | Iriel: how? |
| 02:25.25 | SqueeG | it's re~al |
| 02:25.37 | Arrowmaster | uniplex: its from when there was an actual linux client back in alpha, its not used anymore |
| 02:25.42 | Iriel | Kraps: because everyone knows she's female |
| 02:25.55 | Kraps | Iriel: :p |
| 02:26.33 | Kraps | i may do a speed run as renegade with this guy |
| 02:26.40 | uniplex | ic, too bad the dropped it |
| 02:27.28 | SqueeG | in ME2 if you import your character, your decisions are automatically plugged in |
| 02:28.16 | SqueeG | when you make a character from scratch you select some of the events |
| 02:28.23 | SqueeG | other ones are ignored |
| 02:29.31 | Kraps | SqueeG: i was just testing that |
| 02:29.56 | Kraps | a new character is completely premade |
| 02:30.10 | SqueeG | you can select some options |
| 02:30.21 | SqueeG | at least you could on the 360 |
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| 02:54.24 | kd3 | huh, crazy |
| 02:54.34 | kd3 | 8228 files in interface\\icons |
| 02:56.12 | Cide | that's a palindrome! |
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| 03:08.19 | m^rk | can you access cooldown info of a macro? somehow the wow ui does it because it shows the cooldown animation on a macro if you drag it to an actionbar |
| 03:10.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:10.43 | Iriel | Code can see it, but it can't do anything actionable with it |
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| 03:17.16 | m^rk | i just need the start/duration/enable vars.. I bascially need a GetMacroCooldown() that is like GetItemCooldown() GetSpellCooldown(). so if code can see it then i can use it |
| 03:17.57 | Seerah | whatever spell is on cooldown in the macro, you can use GetSpellCooldown for |
| 03:20.46 | m^rk | i'd guess there isn't a function to return a list of spells in a macro barring parsing it yourself |
| 03:21.02 | Cide | a list of spells huh |
| 03:21.09 | Cide | a list of what spells? |
| 03:21.37 | m^rk | in a macro |
| 03:22.13 | Cide | I'm so confused |
| 03:22.18 | Cide | I think you're probably looking for 'no' |
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| 03:23.09 | Kraps | i found a pretty rad ME editor |
| 03:23.29 | Kraps | with a simple gui |
| 03:26.43 | Kraps | i can edit a current saved game, gonna test a new game soon |
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| 04:36.26 | karl_w_w | Kraps: did you actually use the word "rad" in a sentence? |
| 04:37.13 | Kraps | yes |
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| 04:38.29 | karl_w_w | so you grew up in the 80s? :P |
| 04:38.58 | Cide | is that inconceivable? |
| 04:39.30 | karl_w_w | yes, nobody grew up in the 80s there was a 10 year gap |
| 04:39.52 | Cide | don't be awfully silly |
| 04:40.02 | karl_w_w | why do you think nobody is turning 40? |
| 04:40.14 | Cide | what the fuck are you talking about |
| 04:40.18 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:46.57 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: that went from inane to wtf |
| 04:47.33 | Seerah | Kraps: was it so rad it was totally awesome? :) |
| 04:47.50 | Kraps | pretty much yeah |
| 04:48.05 | Seerah | I'm a child of the 80s, and I'm not ashamed of it. |
| 04:48.09 | Seerah | goodnight, sirs :) |
| 04:48.16 | Kraps | its gnarly |
| 04:48.18 | Seerah | (and madames :) ) |
| 04:48.21 | Thunder_Child | it was tobular |
| 04:48.28 | Seerah | tubular? |
| 04:48.30 | Seerah | ;) |
| 04:48.52 | Thunder_Child | it had various spellings |
| 04:48.56 | Seerah | righteous! |
| 04:48.56 | Thunder_Child | i mean it was the 80's |
| 04:49.17 | Seerah | hehe |
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| 05:06.52 | Cide | ok this is funny |
| 05:06.59 | Cide | http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/06/1820208/PHP-Floating-Point-Bug-Crashes-Servers |
| 05:07.08 | Cide | a few days old but still funny |
| 05:07.30 | airtonix | you know what's even more funny? |
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| 05:07.48 | airtonix | 5 people overloads a sharepoint site for a university |
| 05:08.02 | Cide | no |
| 05:08.09 | airtonix | oh but it did |
| 05:08.37 | Cide | that's just regular denial of service |
| 05:13.27 | karl_w_w | sharepoint makes me want to cry |
| 05:14.21 | airtonix | universities using sharepoint who think they're bleeding edge awesomsauce makes me rage |
| 05:14.42 | airtonix | specially when they can't even create a custom 500, 404 or a 303 error page |
| 05:14.54 | airtonix | nooooooooobsauce |
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| 06:23.06 | Shirik | a 303 error is a 500 error |
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| 07:53.19 | Corrodias2 | ah, crap |
| 07:53.47 | Corrodias2 | i remember seeing, quite some time ago, a page of a web-based MMO that was in development, by a team i don't remember, with a name that i don't remember. and now i want to track it down. |
| 07:54.14 | Corrodias2 | i don't even recall what it was supposed to be like except that the art was a little attractively bizarre. |
| 07:56.59 | Corrodias2 | and wow, this is not going to be easy to find, as there appear to be a few thousand such games. |
| 07:58.41 | Corrodias2 | holy crap, is that market oversaturated. |
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| 08:15.29 | Maldivia | morn |
| 08:17.07 | Maldivia | Corrodias, tried looking at sites like mmorpg.com ? |
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| 08:17.49 | Corrodias2 | i did some google image searching, but i didn't check that list |
| 08:18.11 | Corrodias2 | i suppose there's a small chance i may recognize the name |
| 08:18.12 | zenzio | in what way was the art "bizarre" |
| 08:19.11 | Corrodias2 | unfortunately, i don't know the word for it, but... well, how about the monster in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the animated monster that chases the knights until its animator dies and it disappears. that sort of style comes to mind in some of the character design. |
| 08:19.37 | zenzio | hm |
| 08:20.39 | Maldivia | hmm, sounds bizare... and cant picture it :) |
| 08:22.42 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 08:22.45 | bluspacecow | mine quest ? |
| 08:23.13 | Corrodias2 | google isn't showing anything for that |
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| 08:33.48 | Corrodias2 | waaaait, found it. the name is "Glitch". |
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| 08:39.52 | Corrodias2 | here's what i meant regarding the art style. http://glitch.com/blog/2010/10/30/faces-of-the-giants/ |
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| 09:15.17 | cbreak_work | Corrodias2: that seems even more pointless than WoW |
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| 09:16.34 | Corrodias2 | of course; it's a MMO game |
| 09:16.49 | cbreak_work | so is WoW |
| 09:16.57 | cbreak_work | it could at least only be on a similar level of pointless |
| 09:18.10 | Corrodias2 | i really don't know what you're trying to say |
| 09:18.24 | Corrodias2 | raids are more fulfilling than whatever the hell it is that game gets you? |
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| 09:26.13 | cbreak_work | no, what I say is: In WoW you can do something |
| 09:26.27 | cbreak_work | in that game, apparently, you're in their mind, and that's the game |
| 09:26.29 | cbreak_work | great... |
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| 09:27.37 | Corrodias2 | i'm pretty sure it consists of more than just standing in the middle of nowhere, doing nothing. |
| 09:28.04 | Corrodias2 | well, assuming it ever opens to the public. |
| 09:28.56 | cbreak_work | well, presumably you have to make them bigger |
| 09:30.25 | Corrodias2 | so, that reminds me, was Cataclysm released already? |
| 09:30.34 | cbreak_work | yes, some time ago |
| 09:30.51 | cbreak_work | leveling is like a single player RPG |
| 09:31.01 | cbreak_work | so much phasing |
| 09:31.22 | cbreak_work | and guided tour style quests |
| 09:38.21 | Corrodias2 | speaking of single-player rpgs, i just started playing Skies of Arcadia Legends |
| 09:39.21 | Corrodias2 | about 10 years after the first release. good times. |
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| 09:51.44 | Fisker | i'm bored cbreak_work |
| 09:52.38 | Maldivia | Corrodias2: if you want 14 year-old games, there's always FF7 :) |
| 09:53.10 | Corrodias2 | i did play ff7 a while back, and it was decent |
| 09:53.33 | Corrodias2 | it is unfortunate that the graphics constantly annoyed me |
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| 09:59.12 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:59.17 | Fisker | i lulzd bluspacecow |
| 09:59.23 | bluspacecow | im glad |
| 09:59.52 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549665291#9 |
| 10:02.00 | Corrodias2 | burn |
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| 10:48.26 | mitch0 | kick him and wait for the "but I've been in the guild since xx!!" :) |
| 10:56.42 | Kraftman | lol |
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