| 00:01.45 | Atriace | amro: Yeah, thanks. |
| 00:02.06 | Atriace | Just got done talking to another hunter. /cast Call Pet x, seems to be the syntax. |
| 00:02.20 | amro | oh, you mean the spells? |
| 00:02.25 | amro | they're Call Pet <n> |
| 00:02.28 | amro | even if you link them |
| 00:02.31 | amro | as you can see in the chat |
| 00:02.58 | Atriace | Right. Just working the spell backwards, surely I'll find the function call it's using (or table) |
| 00:03.57 | Jamash | I tried to make a macro to replace a pet bar button with an action bar button, but it seems that the pet slash commands (petpassive, etc) don't provide feedback and I can't use /cast Passive |
| 00:04.37 | Jamash | why doesn't blizzard extend the pet bar to 12 items, anyway |
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| 00:07.00 | Dagmar | Because they're stubborn fuckers |
| 00:07.04 | Jamash | ah |
| 00:07.29 | Dagmar | The /petpassive command works just fine |
| 00:07.46 | Jamash | it works, but doesn't provide visual feedback like the pet bar icon does |
| 00:07.48 | Dagmar | If you look carefully, you''ll find that basically there's some pet abilities you're never going to turn off, so those can be left off the bar |
| 00:07.55 | Jamash | oh I know |
| 00:08.04 | Dagmar | You can drag those fro mthe pet ability spellbook into the pet bar |
| 00:08.10 | Jamash | I take basic attack and charge / dash off |
| 00:08.14 | Dagmar | THey'll never show what you want as a macro, but they will as a pet button |
| 00:08.26 | Jamash | yes, that's what I said |
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| 00:39.29 | Atriace | "I have discovered the answer! However, this margin is too narrow to contain it." |
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| 01:10.37 | Kraps | WHY IS KOTAKU'S LOGIN SO SHITTY |
| 01:10.55 | Jerub | isn't that a gawker network site? |
| 01:11.31 | Jerub | Kraps: that's the same site that got hacked and leaked millions of people's usernames+passwords |
| 01:11.51 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 01:25.57 | olafski | would be sort of nice if heirlooms would be considered the ilvl they "represent" =( |
| 01:26.15 | olafski | I just had to ninja a cloak in BRC just so I could queue for stonecore, while I'm not going to wear it =) |
| 01:27.25 | Jerub | olafski: *nod* |
| 01:27.33 | Jerub | the heirloom thing is dodgy in a lot of respects. |
| 01:27.44 | Jerub | tbh, they should probably just be removed from the calculation instead of being considered '1' |
| 01:27.53 | olafski | that works too yeah |
| 01:28.00 | Jerub | like having a 2h weapon removes the OH from the equation |
| 01:28.08 | Dagmar | FAIL. |
| 01:28.18 | Jerub | i'm annoyed at the BOA archeology things |
| 01:28.24 | Dagmar | FAILfailfail. |
| 01:28.35 | Jerub | why the fuck do they have a BOA chest and head slot piece from arch? |
| 01:28.40 | Dagmar | If you have heirloom everything, you're not geared enough for Heroics. |
| 01:28.48 | Dagmar | How is it a problem that the things have ilvl 1? |
| 01:28.54 | Jerub | no one is going to give up their 20% xp bonus to wear a purple |
| 01:29.03 | olafski | yeah was wondering about that too |
| 01:29.13 | olafski | even if they change the level requirements to 51/61/71 :) |
| 01:29.22 | olafski | eh.. 71 maybe since that's a weapon I guess |
| 01:29.30 | Jerub | they have done that in 4.0.6 apparently. |
| 01:29.35 | olafski | yeah |
| 01:29.36 | Dagmar | It's not like the quest NPCs don't just hand you a pile of greens that will get you into the instances |
| 01:29.37 | Jerub | changed the level reqiurements. |
| 01:29.39 | Jerub | but meh. |
| 01:29.46 | Jerub | Dagmar: blues. |
| 01:29.55 | Dagmar | So what? |
| 01:29.56 | olafski | that will at least make the axe from vrykul worth using |
| 01:30.00 | Jerub | yeah |
| 01:30.01 | Jerub | i've got that. |
| 01:30.14 | olafski | not me.. only digging in eastern kingdoms :) |
| 01:30.23 | Jerub | and the headdress of the shaman, and the stupid elf robe |
| 01:30.35 | olafski | yeah I have 2 robes and 1 headdress ;) |
| 01:30.50 | olafski | northrend is annoying though |
| 01:31.56 | olafski | oh well, at least I can queue for some more dungeons now.. that rogue who lost the roll didn't deserve the cloak anyway |
| 01:33.11 | Dagmar | LFD tool has gotten a bit more lenient or something |
| 01:33.24 | Dagmar | Last night I ditched people twice, no penalty |
| 01:33.43 | Dagmar | I guess maybe there's no debuff now if you join an instance already in progress |
| 01:34.16 | Dagmar | "cuz I'm noticing if the group is about 3 pulls in, and their previous healer left, that tank is probably never going to stop running. |
| 01:34.41 | Dagmar | I've just been leaving when they run me out of mana |
| 01:35.15 | Jerub | Dagmar: no penalty at all? |
| 01:35.19 | Dagmar | Not going to stick around while Idiot Jones and his retarded buddies call me fail for not keeping the tank alive |
| 01:35.27 | Jerub | if you stay 15 minutes you can immediatley requeue i know |
| 01:35.30 | Dagmar | ...not when I'm wearing all blues with spirit |
| 01:35.40 | Jerub | you only get deserter debuff if you leave within the first few |
| 01:35.41 | Dagmar | Jerub: I wasn't in there even 5 minutes both times |
| 01:35.57 | Jerub | interesting |
| 01:36.06 | Jerub | i often leave dungeons when people stand in the fire twice |
| 01:36.07 | Dagmar | Maybe it looks for the last healer saying "You guys are f'ing morons I have no mana" |
| 01:36.16 | Jerub | and when people are rude |
| 01:36.23 | Jerub | even if they're being rude to each other. |
| 01:36.56 | Jerub | see, exactly like that. if my healer used that language i would leave. |
| 01:37.06 | Jerub | there's no excuse for not being civil. |
| 01:37.12 | Dagmar | I don't care if you can do Dire Maul east in one, continuous pull. I didn't sign up for that crap. |
| 01:37.56 | Dagmar | Practically invariably they blame the healer for the eventual wipe that happens |
| 01:39.03 | Dagmar | Chuckles McIdiot actually rushed into the Scholo room with all the skeleton summoners and tried to round them all up at once |
| 01:39.16 | Dagmar | About four jillion skeletons later, I dropped group |
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| 01:39.44 | Dagmar | The stuff people do when leveling sets new standards for stupid compared to the things I've seen at 85. |
| 01:40.27 | Dagmar | If my big heal had been an instant-cast it wouldn't have been enough to keep that noob alive |
| 01:41.05 | Jerub | i understand you're frustrated. |
| 01:44.47 | Dagmar | Oh I'm not _frustrated_ |
| 01:44.56 | Dagmar | I have *no* problems letting the stupid die. |
| 01:45.24 | Dagmar | Sometimes, if I could, I'd switch to boomkin and push people into chasms to make the run faster |
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| 01:46.20 | Dagmar | I just know the nooblets never listen to reason, so the simplest thing I can do to make it clear to them that they should reconsider their tactics is to bounce and let them wait for another healer to show up |
| 01:47.27 | Dagmar | They should probably fix it so you can't drop group to escape combat. |
| 01:47.55 | Dagmar | I've noticed two variations on the "I'm too lazy to actually walk back to the instance to turn in the quests |
| 01:48.20 | Dagmar | 1. The tank arrives at the start with everyone else, you see them talk to the quest NPCs, _ding_ and then drop group. |
| 01:48.54 | Dagmar | 2. The tank arrives at the start with everyone else, you see them talk to the quest NPCs, then they go do a mega-pull and leave the rogue holding the bag by dropping group. |
| 01:50.46 | Jerub | i'm sorry, i stopped listening to what you have to say because i find people who get unnecesserily frustrated at this kind of thing disheartening to communicate with. |
| 01:51.05 | Jerub | i will much more readily drop group because someone is rude than because they fail. |
| 01:51.19 | Dagmar | Clearly, you have issues with paying attentin considering that I said quite clearly that I was not frustrated by this. |
| 01:51.19 | Wobin | uh |
| 01:51.33 | Wobin | why can't you just teleport out and back in again at the end of the previous instance? |
| 01:51.36 | Dagmar | <-- leveling a healer. There is no queue wait. |
| 01:51.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: because they're not that smart, apparently. |
| 01:51.49 | Wobin | Dagmar: in caty? |
| 01:52.07 | Wobin | that's because the majority of healers have refused to pug and only run guild instances |
| 01:52.13 | Dagmar | Wobin: The longest I've waited so far on my worgen druid has been four minutes |
| 01:52.23 | Wobin | tank queues are instant |
| 01:52.29 | Dagmar | Four minutes at 3am. |
| 01:52.30 | Wobin | healer queues can take a little time |
| 01:52.36 | Wobin | dps queues... hahaha |
| 01:52.40 | Dagmar | During the early evening, no wait |
| 01:53.16 | Wobin | oh levelling |
| 01:53.25 | Dagmar | Hell, I get a satchel of useless goods even if I only spend five minutes in there and they complete the place |
| 01:53.35 | Wobin | yeah, as a druid, I've gone from micromanaging my mana |
| 01:53.39 | Wobin | to chaincasting lifebloom |
| 01:54.01 | Jerub | my shammy could cast healing wave all day after 4.0 |
| 01:54.01 | Wobin | although I miss the ability to LB on more than one target |
| 01:54.06 | Jerub | and that was 100 mana for 50% health |
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| 01:54.25 | Jerub | Wobin: i miss rejuv. |
| 01:54.33 | Wobin | I do like the druid healing over time mechanic |
| 01:54.38 | Wobin | Jerub: miss it? =\ |
| 01:54.39 | Dagmar | It still works fine while leveling |
| 01:54.48 | Wobin | too expensive at higher levels? |
| 01:55.38 | Dagmar | Put both hots on the tank, kick back and relax. :) |
| 01:55.51 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:55.53 | Dagmar | Boss grabs you and waves you around like a baton? No problem. HoTs are still ticking. |
| 01:55.58 | Wobin | and throw in swiftmend if the dps are taking damage |
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| 01:56.16 | Wobin | cause it's cheaper than wildgrowth =P |
| 01:56.32 | Wobin | and efflorescence is enough most of the time |
| 01:57.49 | foxlit_ | More WG! |
| 01:57.52 | Dagmar | The bag of catform goods is startin to wear on me |
| 01:58.11 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.13 | foxlit_ | Honestly, though, efflorescence? I don't have the talent points :( |
| 01:58.15 | Dagmar | The game really, really thinks I need to DPS. Twice I've gotten an int/sta/spi item from those bags |
| 01:58.17 | Wobin | it's good for sneaksieing |
| 01:58.31 | Wobin | foxlit_: at what level? |
| 01:58.34 | foxlit_ | Dagmar: no, you're misreading it |
| 01:58.36 | Dagmar | I have a full set of cat gear I've never worn, and five pieces of bear |
| 01:58.38 | foxlit_ | It wants you to tank. |
| 01:58.54 | Dagmar | If it wants me to tank it needs to gimme more str/sta pieces |
| 01:59.01 | foxlit_ | tank in agi/sta! |
| 01:59.03 | Dagmar | Literally I've gotten four times more agi/sta pieces than anything else |
| 01:59.10 | Dagmar | foxlit: I'm not a rogue |
| 01:59.19 | foxlit_ | What's the objection, though? |
| 01:59.21 | Wobin | er |
| 01:59.24 | Wobin | bears don't use str |
| 01:59.26 | Wobin | do they? |
| 01:59.33 | Wobin | they're just agi/sta too |
| 01:59.34 | Dagmar | I thought all tanks did |
| 01:59.45 | Dagmar | Well, I suppose it wants me to tank then |
| 01:59.48 | Wobin | I thought bears were the exception |
| 01:59.55 | foxlit_ | bears don't mind str. |
| 01:59.59 | foxlit_ | But honestly, agi > str. |
| 02:00.03 | Wobin | bears don't dig on dancing |
| 02:00.19 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLHVjOos8Y |
| 02:00.30 | foxlit_ | sigh, a metadata change and failtunes has to copy 16gb of video over. |
| 02:00.55 | foxlit_ | Wobin: foxlit_: at what level? << 85 |
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| 02:01.06 | foxlit_ | About 4 points short. |
| 02:01.15 | Wobin | I have no idea then =P |
| 02:01.51 | foxlit_ | mostly because from where I'm standing, efflorescence seems lame |
| 02:02.48 | Dagmar | Ah okay, I just figured bears only went two for one on strength like the other brute tanks |
| 02:03.15 | Dagmar | I may just start tanking the damn instances then |
| 02:03.34 | Wobin | Dagmar: the talents are somewhat different though |
| 02:03.43 | Dagmar | Hah. Not tanking in resto. |
| 02:03.53 | Dagmar | That would go poorly. ;) |
| 02:04.09 | Wobin | I mean, between kitty/bear |
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| 02:04.20 | Dagmar | I like that it reminded me I could dual-spec when I hit 40. |
| 02:04.29 | Wobin | when you could at 30 =P |
| 02:04.38 | Dagmar | Couldda been a real problem if I hadn't already done it ten levels back |
| 02:05.08 | Scotepi | is this a valid if statement? ( 1 < itemRarity < 6) |
| 02:05.45 | Wobin | lua> if 1< 4 <5 then print "yes" else print "no" end |
| 02:05.45 | lua_bot | Wobin: luabot:1: attempt to compare boolean with number |
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| 02:06.11 | Jerub | foxlit_: are you talking about the druid ring of healing? |
| 02:06.19 | foxlit_ | Jerub: yes. |
| 02:06.29 | Scotepi | ill just break it apart, makes it kind of esier to read |
| 02:06.34 | Jerub | foxlit_: i like it. it's a good aoe heal. |
| 02:06.41 | Dagmar | ...and functional. |
| 02:06.43 | Wobin | Scotepi: it's always better to have readable code =) |
| 02:06.58 | Jerub | foxlit_: it's 1 GCD, and accompanies a "oh god that guy's dying" instacast heal |
| 02:07.03 | Scotepi | well to someone that sucks at math, lol |
| 02:07.10 | foxlit_ | silly cooldown. small radius. centered on your target (where are they?). prevents you from using swiftmend. |
| 02:07.18 | Wobin | eh |
| 02:07.20 | Wobin | prevents? |
| 02:07.26 | Wobin | you -are- casting swiftmend =P |
| 02:07.44 | Jerub | foxlit_: it's a convenient and useful side effect of swiftmend |
| 02:07.46 | Wobin | that's like saying any cooldown is stopping you from casting that spell |
| 02:07.49 | Dagmar | You're not allowed to cast it twice at the same time |
| 02:08.05 | foxlit_ | I'm working under the following fallacy: either (a) You use swiftmend to heal people on low health, and they end up standing in the middle of nowhere, so efflorescence is wasted |
| 02:08.06 | Wobin | when are you -ever- allowed to cast swiftmend twice at the same time? |
| 02:08.17 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 02:08.18 | Jerub | foxlit_: in raids, for instance, when the tank is taking a lot of damage you can swiftmend which heals him, the offtank, any dps that are in melee range (potentially), all at the same time |
| 02:08.31 | foxlit_ | or (b) You don't use swiftmend for anything but efflorescence, which takes it out of your oh-shit routine. |
| 02:08.34 | Wobin | you don't bother dropping swiftmend on someone standing alone |
| 02:08.42 | Wobin | cause 1) they need a hot |
| 02:08.50 | Wobin | and 2) if the hot's not enough, they're standing in fire |
| 02:08.52 | Dagmar | ...or they need to get out of the damn fire |
| 02:08.53 | Jerub | foxlit_: druid healing has always had a component of being aware of who you're casting on |
| 02:09.13 | Jerub | wild growth is cast every 6 seconds in high damage situations, and you know not to cast it on the hunter in the middle of nowhere |
| 02:09.25 | foxlit_ | Technically WG is 30 yards now |
| 02:09.36 | foxlit_ | So as long as that hunter isn't in Vael's room, you'll be okay |
| 02:09.39 | Jerub | oh that's nice, i was wondering about that. |
| 02:09.43 | Wobin | the only time I ever cast swiftmend on someone who's not the tank is when they stand in cleave or something |
| 02:09.59 | Jerub | but in the past i used to actually position myself so i was close enough to both tanks and ranged so that when i did WG on myself it would get everyone |
| 02:10.00 | Wobin | generally, it's a good thing to cast WG on yourself |
| 02:10.10 | Wobin | cause it's easier to reposition yourself |
| 02:10.14 | Jerub | Wobin: *nod* |
| 02:10.23 | foxlit_ | Jerub: the problem with that option is that you need to swiftmend *something* |
| 02:10.26 | Dagmar | Whatcha need is a minor glyph that temporarily shapeshifts the target of a particular heal spell into a circus clown |
| 02:10.36 | Jerub | foxlit_: that's not a problem though. swiftmend is a tank healing spell |
| 02:10.41 | foxlit_ | So you end up rejuv'ing yourself. But you, not being an idiot, aren't taking damage :) |
| 02:10.44 | Wobin | foxlit_: and if you don't have hots on someone that's taking damage, then you're donig something wrong =) |
| 02:10.58 | Jerub | or they're doing something wrong |
| 02:11.18 | Jerub | the only way a non-tank takes massive, continuous, damage requiring a swiftmend is when they are bad |
| 02:11.19 | Dagmar | like tanking with their tourney stick |
| 02:11.20 | Wobin | I just don't see many situations where efflorescence isn't going to want to be under the tank |
| 02:11.20 | foxlit_ | And then I have a question: what does it actually heal for? |
| 02:11.32 | foxlit_ | Wobin: virtually any raid boss. |
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| 02:11.35 | Wobin | 20% of the swiftmend per tick |
| 02:11.37 | Wobin | I think |
| 02:11.50 | KarlKFI | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cmOCl3AAcs |
| 02:11.51 | foxlit_ | In hp, please :) |
| 02:12.04 | Wobin | your swiftmend depends on your SP =P |
| 02:12.07 | Wobin | I'm fairly sure =P |
| 02:12.11 | Wobin | so it VARIES =P |
| 02:12.15 | Jerub | so effolerce's utility is as an emergency tank healing button and is very effective, because it turns hots into an instant heal plus AOE hot. |
| 02:12.39 | Dagmar | So that's the upgrade to the hot cash-in then? |
| 02:12.42 | Wobin | it doesn't eat the HoT if you're glyphed for it |
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| 02:12.47 | Wobin | which you should be |
| 02:12.49 | foxlit_ | Jerub: that's swiftmend you're talking about. |
| 02:13.02 | foxlit_ | What, exactly, is the value of the AoE hot? :) |
| 02:13.13 | Wobin | the fact that it's a free aoe hot? |
| 02:13.15 | Dagmar | Wobin: Meh. I'm about to drop alchemy and get inscription so I can actually have some glyphs |
| 02:13.16 | foxlit_ | Wobin: ballpark figures should be fine. |
| 02:13.29 | Wobin | foxlit_: ok |
| 02:13.30 | foxlit_ | iirc, my swiftmend hits for 18k |
| 02:13.40 | Wobin | so 20% of that per tick |
| 02:13.45 | Jerub | foxlit_: um, if you're hitting an emergency heal, you want a hot. if you're hitting an emergency heal then you're neglecting others, so anyone close to the tank gets healed too |
| 02:13.45 | Wobin | to everyone standing in it |
| 02:13.48 | Dagmar | Glyph of Rejuv was at 100g all the time on my server last week, I managed to snag it for 46g last night |
| 02:14.04 | Jerub | aoe hot ftw |
| 02:14.07 | Dagmar | Anyone not leveling a twink is probably just not getting any damn glyphs at all for awhile |
| 02:14.20 | foxlit_ | glyphs are funny. |
| 02:14.27 | Wobin | my bad |
| 02:14.32 | foxlit_ | Since all of their materials are the same, and yet the prices are so wildly different. |
| 02:14.33 | Wobin | 30% of the swiftmend over 7 seconds |
| 02:14.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: our guild inscriptionator made so much money on cata launch from glyphs he bought epic flying for all 9 of his 80s. |
| 02:14.41 | Jerub | um, master flying. |
| 02:15.00 | Dagmar | foxlit: You wanna see what the deal is, just start armorying people who are selling them |
| 02:15.13 | foxlit_ | Wobin: so, being generous, 6k/7s |
| 02:15.19 | Dagmar | There are a lot of pissants buying up all the glyphs and relisting them now |
| 02:15.41 | foxlit_ | If a cata mob as much as sneezes in their general direction, that's efflorescence accounted for. |
| 02:16.01 | Wobin | it stacks |
| 02:16.11 | Jerub | foxlit_: um, to put it another way. it's 1 point talent that increases a spell's effectiveness by 30% :P |
| 02:16.20 | foxlit_ | Jerub: no, it's a 3-point talent |
| 02:16.23 | Wobin | 3point talent |
| 02:16.26 | Jerub | is it? dang |
| 02:16.29 | foxlit_ | And it has a 3-point pre-req |
| 02:16.58 | Wobin | living seed is pretty good though |
| 02:17.13 | Wobin | that's a 30% crit heal shield |
| 02:17.19 | Jerub | while we're on the topic of druids. |
| 02:17.36 | Jerub | does anyone know how i can measure the shield damage reduction from savage instincts? |
| 02:17.48 | Jerub | i want to know exactly how awesome my mastery is... |
| 02:18.23 | Wobin | each point of mastery is 4% |
| 02:19.04 | Jerub | Wobin: .... i know that, but i want to measure its actual effectiveness |
| 02:19.10 | Jerub | especially on different fights. |
| 02:19.25 | foxlit_ | 30% shield on a 30% crit rate... 9% on direct heals, assuming the target gets hit again :) |
| 02:19.35 | foxlit_ | I suppose I'd be a lot happier if I wasn't raid-healing :) |
| 02:19.41 | ccox | Mt Hyjal - someone took time to draw corpuscular rays into the sunset artwork, nice |
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| 02:19.53 | Jerub | i want to measure in-the-wild not theorycraft |
| 02:19.59 | Jerub | recount doesn't show the shield in its stats |
| 02:20.27 | foxlit_ | ccox: you sure those aren't dynamic sunshafts? |
| 02:20.36 | Wobin | foxlit_: yes, if you're raid healing, you probably don't need tank healing talents =P |
| 02:21.03 | Jerub | i've never really tank healed before 4.0 |
| 02:21.09 | Jerub | it's so easy and simple! |
| 02:21.12 | Wobin | I was a disc priest |
| 02:21.18 | Wobin | my role was to bubble everyone =P |
| 02:21.27 | Wobin | mourns bubblebot |
| 02:21.36 | foxlit_ | I want a version of WG that'd forcefully pick the group I've targetted |
| 02:21.50 | Wobin | like.. prayer of healing? |
| 02:21.52 | foxlit_ | Screw being assigned to keep up a particular group and end up healing the melee with smart-casting. |
| 02:22.00 | foxlit_ | Wobin: precisely. |
| 02:22.11 | Wobin | so convince your raid leader to put the melee in one group =P |
| 02:22.20 | foxlit_ | Murphy's law :) |
| 02:22.21 | Wobin | since all the buffs are now raid waide |
| 02:22.25 | Wobin | wide |
| 02:22.53 | foxlit_ | Wobin: no, perhaps not -- that's not the issue. The problem is more that I can't pick who to heal with WG :) |
| 02:23.02 | Shirik | So briiiiiiiiiiiiiing meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:23.09 | Shirik | Where's Cide |
| 02:23.14 | Shirik | Cide1 |
| 02:23.15 | Wobin | figgy pudding? |
| 02:23.15 | Shirik | stop hiding |
| 02:23.22 | Shirik | no Wobin, two pina coladas |
| 02:23.52 | Wobin | foxlit_: well, if you organise the group so that your group will naturally have proximity to one another, you can WG them! |
| 02:24.20 | foxlit_ | Wobin: I'd have to organize them so there's no one on lower health within 30 yards |
| 02:24.30 | foxlit_ | That's totally not going to happen :) |
| 02:24.34 | Cide1 | Shirik: hi |
| 02:24.41 | Wobin | you're just not trying hard enough! =) |
| 02:24.47 | Shirik | Cide1, I learned a new word today |
| 02:25.07 | Shirik | hej på |
| 02:25.16 | Wobin | That's two words |
| 02:25.19 | foxlit_ | But anyhow, minor efficiency complaints. I figure I can just *not* heal them for 3 seconds to ensure that they are actually the low group |
| 02:25.26 | Shirik | It's one word in my language |
| 02:25.40 | Shirik | and since the US is the standard upon which everything is judged |
| 02:25.41 | Wobin | There's a space there |
| 02:25.41 | Shirik | it's one word |
| 02:25.50 | Wobin | That means it's TWO words |
| 02:26.06 | Cide1 | Shirik: as in "hej på dig"? |
| 02:26.13 | Shirik | what's dig? |
| 02:26.15 | foxlit_ | Wobin has a convincing case there. |
| 02:26.21 | foxlit_ | s/på/med/! |
| 02:26.59 | Shirik | wait |
| 02:27.01 | Shirik | Sorry I screwed up |
| 02:27.07 | Shirik | hej då |
| 02:27.08 | Shirik | that |
| 02:27.20 | Cide1 | ah |
| 02:27.25 | Cide1 | "good bye" |
| 02:27.27 | Shirik | I got confused by the po |
| 02:27.51 | Shirik | I went to Ikea today |
| 02:27.54 | Shirik | I supported your country |
| 02:27.59 | Shirik | I demand a kickback |
| 02:28.05 | Cide1 | though it's literally more like "un-hello" |
| 02:28.29 | Wobin | did you eat meatballs? |
| 02:28.39 | Wobin | or the 14 ft hotdog? |
| 02:28.45 | Cide1 | I went to ikea a few days ago |
| 02:29.36 | Wobin | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1959372/hotdog.jpg |
| 02:29.44 | Cide1 | got a new tv bench and a new double bed |
| 02:29.50 | Shirik | no Wobin |
| 02:29.53 | Seerah | Wobin: "NOT" |
| 02:29.56 | Seerah | actual size |
| 02:29.56 | Shirik | I just needed a chair |
| 02:30.04 | Wobin | oh |
| 02:30.07 | Shirik | and a footstool that will be used as a table |
| 02:30.08 | Wobin | I thought it said NOW |
| 02:30.09 | Seerah | misses Ikea :( |
| 02:30.15 | Seerah | hehe |
| 02:30.28 | Shirik | miss? |
| 02:31.07 | Seerah | Shirik: I no longer live near one |
| 02:31.21 | Seerah | I think the closest Ikea to Memphis is... Atlanta? |
| 02:31.29 | Seerah | don't remember. It's far :( |
| 02:31.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:31.44 | Scotepi | where can I find a demo of a good simple SlashCmd processors that supports multipul terms in a command? |
| 02:32.00 | Seerah | there isn't one on wowpedia? |
| 02:32.15 | Wobin | you don't have an ikea nearby? |
| 02:32.17 | Wobin | crazy |
| 02:32.20 | Scotepi | just basic 1 level of command |
| 02:32.23 | Seerah | http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 02:32.32 | Seerah | oh, I see what you want |
| 02:32.33 | Cide1 | ikea is awesome |
| 02:33.04 | Scotepi | i want /myaddon settingname value |
| 02:33.10 | Seerah | there is only one level |
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| 02:33.22 | Seerah | if you want to account for more, you need to split the string at the space |
| 02:33.28 | Scotepi | im guessing it involves spliting it by space |
| 02:33.50 | Scotepi | whats the split function in lua? |
| 02:33.54 | Seerah | actually... there is an example for that on the page I linked |
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| 02:34.59 | Scotepi | ah, found it, the whits space on that is horid |
| 02:35.19 | Seerah | because of the comments, yeah |
| 02:35.28 | Seerah | oh, and it is only one space >< |
| 02:35.33 | Seerah | feel free to edit - it's a wiki :) |
| 02:35.48 | Scotepi | right now im pissed at wowpedia >< |
| 02:35.56 | Scotepi | they gaveout my email somehow |
| 02:36.15 | Seerah | I doubt that they gave it out |
| 02:36.33 | Scotepi | well it had to be them, i used wowpedia at mydomain |
| 02:36.53 | Seerah | let me rephrase that. "I doubt that they *gave* it out" |
| 02:38.10 | Seerah | did you let them know that there may have been a breach? |
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| 02:38.19 | Scotepi | yep |
| 02:38.30 | Seerah | okay. the mods frequent this channel, too |
| 02:38.40 | Scotepi | http://www.wowpedia.org/Forum:Account_phishing_spam_to_my_Wowpedia_email%3F |
| 02:39.02 | Seerah | ah, looks like you got a responce |
| 02:39.04 | Seerah | *response |
| 02:40.20 | Cide1 | Shirik: I have a challenge for you |
| 02:40.28 | Shirik | challenge 24? |
| 02:40.33 | Cide1 | no |
| 02:40.35 | Shirik | aw |
| 02:40.39 | Shirik | I like challenge 24 |
| 02:40.41 | Cide1 | I don't even know what that is |
| 02:40.45 | mckenziemc | is it possible that the email got sent to random email addresses and happened to find yours? |
| 02:40.45 | Shirik | omg seriously? |
| 02:40.47 | Shirik | 24 game? |
| 02:40.53 | Cide1 | yes, no idea |
| 02:40.59 | Shirik | omg you were deprived as a child |
| 02:41.04 | Cide1 | probably |
| 02:41.09 | Shirik | It's this game where there's 4 numbers on a card |
| 02:41.16 | mckenziemc | no u Shirik |
| 02:41.18 | Shirik | and you have to make it total to 24 by using + - / * |
| 02:41.26 | Cide1 | lawl |
| 02:41.34 | Seerah | ... I don't think I ever saw that as a child either |
| 02:41.40 | Seerah | or ever |
| 02:41.44 | Scotepi | mckenziemc, a blizzard fishing scam randomly found wowhead at mydomain dot com that never gets spam anyway |
| 02:41.50 | olafski | I saw it :o |
| 02:41.51 | Shirik | ~wiki 24 game |
| 02:42.01 | Cide1 | I do that but with analytic functions |
| 02:42.07 | olafski | we had it as something that comes with the crisps :P |
| 02:42.22 | Cide1 | also |
| 02:42.30 | Cide1 | the challenge is to heal a full heroic with nothing but instants |
| 02:42.41 | Cide1 | doable? I don't know! |
| 02:42.57 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Game |
| 02:43.01 | Shirik | But that sample card is crappy |
| 02:43.04 | Shirik | it doesn't look like that |
| 02:43.09 | Shirik | Also, I think it's possible |
| 02:43.10 | mckenziemc | do BC heroics count? :p |
| 02:43.16 | Cide1 | no |
| 02:43.20 | Shirik | poh, coh, renew are powerful |
| 02:43.26 | Cide1 | poh is instant now? |
| 02:43.29 | Shirik | pom |
| 02:43.36 | Cide1 | gotcha |
| 02:43.59 | Cide1 | I don't think it's possible |
| 02:44.08 | Cide1 | might be with holy nova I guess |
| 02:44.11 | olafski | shield also |
| 02:44.19 | olafski | not sure if that helps much in holy spec |
| 02:45.13 | Cide1 | not sure either |
| 02:45.43 | Shirik | got disconnected |
| 02:45.44 | Wobin | PW:S is pretty pitiful atm |
| 02:45.45 | Shirik | did I miss anything? |
| 02:46.02 | Shirik | sec, going to disconnect myself |
| 02:46.10 | Cide1 | is that like internet suicide? |
| 02:46.49 | mckenziemc | disconnects Cide1 |
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| 02:47.20 | Shirik | back |
| 02:47.23 | Shirik | now |
| 02:47.27 | Shirik | I think it's possible |
| 02:47.31 | Shirik | Let me put it this way, Cide1 |
| 02:47.38 | Shirik | I was a healer in a SfK run |
| 02:47.42 | Shirik | I DPSed it |
| 02:47.52 | Cide1 | ya, gotta be the right instance |
| 02:47.55 | Cide1 | not sure which is the best yet |
| 02:47.55 | Shirik | A good DK can take care of himself |
| 02:48.02 | Cide1 | that's cheating |
| 02:48.08 | Cide1 | I guess not but |
| 02:48.11 | Shirik | how is it cheating :( |
| 02:48.18 | Cide1 | then you're not doing the healing :P |
| 02:48.30 | Shirik | But I was the healer |
| 02:48.37 | Wobin | lies |
| 02:48.40 | Cide1 | that's like having 4 dks and not doing anything |
| 02:48.40 | Wobin | the DK was the healer! |
| 02:48.42 | mckenziemc | but the healing is being done with instants |
| 02:49.24 | Cide1 | that's abusing my incomplete definition of the challenge |
| 02:49.32 | Cide1 | it comes with implied constraints not given above |
| 02:49.44 | Cide1 | but a dk tank is kinda ok I guess |
| 02:49.46 | mckenziemc | :D |
| 02:49.59 | Cide1 | we don't have any dk tanks so I was envisioning it with a non-healing tank |
| 02:50.07 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 02:50.10 | Wobin | well, technically the DK heals are instant |
| 02:50.15 | Cide1 | we already govered that |
| 02:51.30 | Wobin | would smite healing be considered instant? |
| 02:51.35 | Wobin | the heal itself is instant |
| 02:51.39 | Wobin | the damage isn't however =P |
| 02:51.46 | Cide1 | the heal comes from smite |
| 02:52.01 | Wobin | yes, but after the spell is cast |
| 02:52.03 | Cide1 | which isn't instant cast |
| 02:52.08 | Wobin | it's a side effect of damage |
| 02:52.10 | Wobin | not of the actual cast |
| 02:52.20 | Cide1 | see above |
| 02:52.32 | Wobin | "It doesn't follow my just made up rules"? |
| 02:52.35 | Cide1 | it was meant as a fun challenge, not a law |
| 02:53.07 | Cide1 | finding loopholes in my definition just ruins the spirit and fun |
| 02:53.14 | Cide1 | but feel free to heal however you find appropriate |
| 02:53.35 | Wobin | eh, I have enough issue healing heroics normally =P |
| 02:53.43 | Wobin | goddamn disc healing =( |
| 02:53.53 | Cide1 | why do you stick with a subpar healing spec |
| 02:54.00 | Wobin | because holy is boring |
| 02:54.02 | Cide1 | and by subpar I mean subpar and boring |
| 02:54.10 | Cide1 | holy is much more dynamic now than disc will ever be |
| 02:54.11 | Wobin | it might as well be exciting and boring |
| 02:54.21 | Wobin | and we have plenty of holy priests |
| 02:57.16 | Wobin | and also, because I want to |
| 02:57.21 | Shirik | HOLY PRIESTS |
| 02:57.22 | Wobin | so fuck the status quo =P |
| 02:57.32 | Shirik | Possible 25 man raid group: |
| 02:57.51 | Wobin | I'll just dps heroics til disc becomes more viable |
| 02:57.56 | Wobin | it's fine for normals |
| 02:57.59 | Shirik | DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, HP, HP, HP, HP, HP, HP, HP, HP, SP, Ret pally |
| 02:58.12 | Wobin | why the ret pally? |
| 02:58.20 | Shirik | wtb might |
| 02:58.30 | Wobin | you could probably scroll that =P |
| 02:58.33 | Wobin | eventually |
| 02:58.52 | Shirik | and SP is necessary for the 5% haste |
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| 03:40.30 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vJqeAhjsjAw |
| 03:47.26 | Ackis | on first time doing halfus |
| 03:47.42 | Ackis | time, storm, and nether |
| 03:48.43 | Trela | Kraps: LOL at the guy on the floor in pajamas, slamming the keyboard. |
| 04:00.03 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/chatroulette-trolling-happy-mlk-day.jpg |
| 04:02.47 | Silversage | Anyone had problems with lines added to tooltips (esp GameTooltip) showing up outside the frame? Is there a cure for it? |
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| 04:04.18 | Trela | Silversage: Yes. I had write an entire block of logic to calculate how many lines were in the current tooltip, how many to remove or add, and then how to do it properly. |
| 04:04.36 | Trela | Working with the GameTooltip is a pain. |
| 04:04.45 | Silversage | So I'm finding. |
| 04:05.11 | Silversage | Can you tell me the invariant that must be maintained? |
| 04:05.59 | Trela | Ah. O.o |
| 04:06.12 | Trela | One note, if you add a line after the tooltip is shown, it may cause the issue you described. |
| 04:08.16 | Silversage | I'm hooking SetBagItem. Don't have much choice about when to add the line. |
| 04:08.47 | Silversage | :Hide(); :AddLine(); :Show() didn't help, btw. |
| 04:09.43 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher |
| 04:09.50 | Trela | Hmm, I do not have much experience with the bag stuff. :x |
| 04:12.03 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/chatroulette-trolling-appointment-win.jpg |
| 04:12.58 | Kraps | mckenziemc: whaaaaaaat |
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| 04:14.12 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo |
| 04:15.37 | Kraps | ive seen that one |
| 04:18.11 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_that_is_is_that_that_is_not_is_not_is_that_it_it_is is the only one i've seen before |
| 04:21.16 | Kraps | wtf english sucks |
| 04:22.14 | mckenziemc | lack of punctuation sucks* |
| 04:22.44 | Silversage | I pity non-native English speakers attempting to learn our ... language. |
| 04:23.16 | Silversage | Punctuation doesn't help for Buffalo^8, although capitalization does. |
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| 04:39.21 | Scotepi | is != in lua ~=? |
| 04:40.23 | Silversage | "~=" is inequality in lua. What's "!="?? Is that from some non-standard language? |
| 04:41.08 | Cide1 | lolwut? |
| 04:41.29 | Jerub | ~= is testing for inequality |
| 04:41.29 | purl | Jerub: I think you lost me on that one |
| 04:41.37 | Jerub | ~lart purl |
| 04:41.37 | purl | farts in jerub's general direction |
| 04:42.27 | Scotepi | im looking into my error a little more, i think i was trying to comare a bool to a string or whatever type a guid is |
| 04:42.51 | Ackis | is there a slash command to open up the raid marker interface? |
| 04:46.21 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 04:46.29 | karl_w_w | but its fuckin long so i gotta go find it |
| 04:47.25 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.12 | karl_w_w | very inventively named button I think |
| 04:51.14 | Kraps | http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2010/040/7/8/Mass_Effect___Tali_Zorah_by_NeutronProblem.jpg why wont bioware make a face for her? |
| 04:51.53 | karl_w_w | she has a face |
| 04:52.01 | karl_w_w | sadly it's a man's face |
| 04:52.18 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:52.35 | Corrodias2 | because part of the characterization of her group is that people don't get to see them. For some reason. |
| 04:52.45 | Shirik | Did michael jackson really die in 2009? |
| 04:52.51 | Corrodias2 | i'm not entirely sure why they need mostly opaque masks |
| 04:52.54 | TMc51 | eh, maybe in ME3 we'll finally see her face. |
| 04:52.59 | Corrodias2 | but apparently it's vital to avoid photo-borne illness |
| 04:53.06 | Ackis | ty karl_w_w |
| 04:53.07 | smcn | Kraps: based on the events of mass effect 2 i guarantee we'll see unsuited quarians in mass effect 3 |
| 04:53.12 | TMc51 | Not sure I even want to know what a Quarian looks like, though. Probably best left to the imagination, IMO. |
| 04:53.24 | Ackis | need to figure out wtf is going on |
| 04:54.07 | Kraps | maybe they're saving it for ME3, but it would take several generations of non-suited quarians to acclimate to an open environment |
| 04:54.47 | Kraps | probably |
| 04:54.48 | karl_w_w | only just learnt that you can download C&C and C&C red alert + all expansions for free from EA |
| 04:56.15 | Kraps | http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/041/9/e/9e4275faf180bc8c6e831eb6905d8fb4.jpg |
| 04:57.06 | karl_w_w | who's that supposed to be? |
| 04:57.37 | Kraps | follow the conversation :p |
| 04:57.51 | Ackis | I'm using fortress for broker but it doesn't seem to be a way to disable specific ones only |
| 04:58.30 | karl_w_w | i was following the conversation :P |
| 05:04.27 | Ackis | there's fortress, buttonbar, and what else? |
| 05:05.44 | Gnarfoz | buttonbar is actually buttonbin |
| 05:05.55 | mckenziemc | where karl O.o |
| 05:06.06 | Gnarfoz | and you know, there's wowinterface, check the ldb display category, there's more than a handful of others ^^ |
| 05:06.28 | karl_w_w | titan panel |
| 05:06.32 | karl_w_w | ninja panel |
| 05:06.38 | mckenziemc | bazooka... |
| 05:06.40 | karl_w_w | there's plenty of them |
| 05:06.48 | mckenziemc | how can you not forget the best one?!?! |
| 05:06.57 | mckenziemc | ;) |
| 05:08.11 | mckenziemc | doh |
| 05:08.22 | mckenziemc | s/not forget/forget/ |
| 05:12.02 | Ackis | bazooka is the fubar look alike |
| 05:12.24 | Shirik | Imabazookayourface |
| 05:12.27 | Shirik | oh Ackis |
| 05:12.31 | Shirik | we're doing 2 packs tomorrow |
| 05:12.32 | Ackis | hi |
| 05:12.32 | Gnarfoz | statblocks ;D |
| 05:12.34 | Shirik | you cancome |
| 05:12.39 | Ackis | aww |
| 05:12.42 | Gnarfoz | chocolatebar |
| 05:15.19 | Shirik | I think google is losing their touch on the usability world |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik | It's starting to get a bit pathetic |
| 05:19.56 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 05:20.38 | Dagmar | No real compettion |
| 05:23.48 | karl_w_w | Shirik, that's why: http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Google+turns+Page+founder+takes+helm/4150957/story.html |
| 05:24.10 | Adys | Shirik: how so? |
| 05:24.24 | Dagmar | Oh look they made a punny |
| 05:31.27 | karl_w_w | goodest pun evar? |
| 05:31.56 | Ackis | karl_w_w: I'm asking you since you gave me the name of the button, but do you know if there are any options that disable that from being seen normally? I can click it |
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| 05:57.30 | TC-Away | "<Shirik> Imabazookayourface |
| 05:57.30 | TC-Away | <Shirik> oh Ackis" |
| 05:57.30 | TC-Away | i really could have done with out reading nothing but those two lines |
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| 06:02.06 | karl_w_w | dont really know what ur asking Ackis :P |
| 06:02.16 | karl_w_w | which doesnt bode well for me knowing the answer |
| 06:03.00 | mckenziemc | the answer is 42 |
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| 06:15.41 | mckenziemc | purl, die |
| 06:15.42 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 06:50.30 | ccox | "Reputation with Guild Reputation increased by 16" |
| 06:50.43 | ccox | WTB Blizzard more native English speakers |
| 06:50.58 | airtonix | .wts more care |
| 06:57.55 | Shirik | I just got a really strange error |
| 06:58.08 | Shirik | Failed to initialize WoW.mfil |
| 06:58.16 | Shirik | followed by a really ugly stack trace |
| 06:58.55 | Thunder_Child | i read that as WoW.milf |
| 06:58.59 | Thunder_Child | which was rather odd |
| 07:00.53 | airtonix | why would you think that is odd |
| 07:02.15 | Thunder_Child | guess |
| 07:02.59 | airtonix | i was dropped on my head as a child |
| 07:03.16 | airtonix | which means i can't guess |
| 07:04.25 | airtonix | ~wiki fear of guessing |
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| 07:09.19 | Yith | I've looked all over nad I can't find if this is possible but I keep getting an alert that my addons are using a lot of memory and I have to either turn them off or ignore... any way to turn off this alert? |
| 07:11.21 | bluspacecow | all over nad ? |
| 07:11.29 | bluspacecow | whose nads did you look over :D |
| 07:11.36 | Yith | har har? ;) |
| 07:11.46 | Yith | well, obviously the one-nadded man |
| 07:11.48 | bluspacecow | is one of your addons Recount ? |
| 07:12.01 | airtonix | hoho |
| 07:12.03 | Yith | of course, as a healer I need to know who to bother healing ;) |
| 07:12.08 | airtonix | wut? |
| 07:12.19 | airtonix | your health bars tell you that |
| 07:12.22 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 07:12.23 | airtonix | hard |
| 07:12.25 | bluspacecow | have you cleared it recently |
| 07:12.28 | airtonix | bluspacecow |
| 07:12.34 | bluspacecow | airtonix |
| 07:12.34 | Yith | every instance or bg I enter... |
| 07:12.35 | bluspacecow | baby |
| 07:12.40 | airtonix | yes darling |
| 07:12.53 | airtonix | brb busy laughing |
| 07:12.55 | bluspacecow | @yith try replacing it with Skada which does the same thing but isn't such a memory hog |
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| 07:13.16 | bluspacecow | hai Repo |
| 07:13.22 | Yith | the memory use is fine... it's the dumbass idiot-light-like alert I want to get rid of |
| 07:14.01 | airtonix | as a wise man once said, if your foot hurts then ignoring the pain is to your detriment |
| 07:14.33 | Yith | like my mechanic said, just watch your heat gauge |
| 07:14.47 | airtonix | like my doctor said, eat more lettuce |
| 07:15.11 | Yith | I looked for letuce in the UI settings and couldn't find any |
| 07:15.46 | airtonix | how unfortunate |
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| 07:17.42 | bluspacecow | try the cvars on wowpedia.org |
| 07:18.56 | mckenziemc | SetCVar('eatMoreLettuce', 1) ? |
| 07:19.47 | airtonix | you know lettuce was a medical recommendation for soldiers just after the second world war |
| 07:20.01 | airtonix | to much field time make bob sad |
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| 07:30.56 | Dagmar | Weird. I've never had any carping from the interface about Recount using a lot of memory |
| 07:33.12 | Nobgul | what? |
| 07:33.13 | karl_w_w | Thunder_Child: that wow.milf error means it can't connect to the streaming doodaa, are you using a tunnelling service or something? |
| 07:33.38 | Nobgul | umm |
| 07:33.52 | Nobgul | whoever said that recount uses to much memory needs to learn to use addon options |
| 07:34.08 | Dagmar | No one said it. Someone was getting yelled at by something in the interface apparently |
| 07:34.14 | karl_w_w | auctioneer using the most of probably every working addon in existance |
| 07:34.21 | Nobgul | ah ok lol |
| 07:34.22 | Dagmar | Yith was being yelled at about something using too much ram |
| 07:34.23 | karl_w_w | uses* nice fail |
| 07:34.44 | Dagmar | I use the hell out of Recount and I've never seen it get crazy |
| 07:34.53 | Nobgul | Yith, what type of error msg is it a popup? |
| 07:35.02 | Dagmar | I even put up realtime deeps graps so I can figure out if I'm slacking |
| 07:35.03 | Nobgul | Dagmar, without a doubt |
| 07:35.27 | Dagmar | It is my bestest friend evar for checking theorycrafting numbers |
| 07:36.44 | Dagmar | Frequently I'll screw that up 3-4 times before I get the numbers to matchin |
| 07:37.42 | Dagmar | ABout the only thing it lacks is an obvious way to filter out vehicles |
| 07:38.16 | Dagmar | I <3 it's ability to pass judgement on tanks by damage taken |
| 07:38.50 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:39.03 | Nobgul | Tomight i was using the death report a lot |
| 07:39.12 | Dagmar | I can tell right off if I'm going to have problems keeping someone alive |
| 07:39.18 | Nobgul | Tank screamed i didint get heals, i screamed fuck you you did. |
| 07:39.28 | Nobgul | report said he stood in the fire, end of story lol |
| 07:39.33 | Dagmar | heh |
| 07:39.37 | Dagmar | HoO has a great one for that |
| 07:39.46 | Nobgul | I was doing bastion |
| 07:39.47 | Dagmar | The void bogies fight is a laugh riot |
| 07:40.00 | Nobgul | i was healing on my drod doing 17k hps |
| 07:40.04 | Nobgul | drood* |
| 07:40.05 | Dagmar | Cuz most tanks at least notice they're taking damage and move, but those fields don't hurt you at all |
| 07:40.19 | Dagmar | ...but they heal the bluberries you're fighting really well. |
| 07:40.20 | Dagmar | :) |
| 07:40.21 | TMc51 | Nobgul: But all the pros stand in fire, you should know that. |
| 07:40.32 | Nobgul | TMc51, all the good ones i know anyway. |
| 07:40.45 | Dagmar | Real pros whore up the bottom of damage taken |
| 07:40.52 | TMc51 | Just ask Lunessa. I stand in fire all the time. |
| 07:41.06 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:41.25 | Dagmar | The second time I was in HoO I think the tank didn't know those zones healed the blueberries, but no one was really taking any damage |
| 07:41.58 | Dagmar | We were just blazing away at it watching it's health go climbing slowly up... people popping cooldowns and me giggling to hard to say anything. FINALLY the tank facepalms and figures it out |
| 07:42.31 | Dagmar | We were all ranged DPS so it was a pretty amusing tableau |
| 07:42.56 | TMc51 | epic fail |
| 07:42.57 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 07:43.18 | TMc51 | fails so hard, it breaks the fail meter and becomes a win, even. |
| 07:43.18 | Dagmar | No seriously, it was really funny. No one was even below 2/3 mana |
| 07:43.31 | Dagmar | Like NO danger, but no progress either. hehe |
| 07:44.47 | Nobgul | i am so lazy right now |
| 07:45.19 | airtonix | Dagmar, buy a dipping bird and relax in the knowledge you're not slacking |
| 07:45.51 | Dagmar | Well, I mean I *started* to just pop Distracting Shot and move the mob, but I wanted to see if the tank was actually going to figure it out |
| 07:46.18 | Nobgul | i seem to piss off the tanks when i do that. Pop bear and taunt |
| 07:46.25 | TMc51 | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38539 Wow.... just wow.... |
| 07:46.26 | Dagmar | If we'd been anywhere near wipe territory I'd have just dragged him out immediately |
| 07:46.43 | Nobgul | lol TMc51 |
| 07:46.53 | Dagmar | Nobgul: Distracting Shot really get's em because it's six seconds I've never seen anyone taunt over |
| 07:47.00 | Dagmar | It'll MOVE the mob |
| 07:47.21 | Nobgul | Dagmar, I know on my hunter ive tanked fester and rot. |
| 07:47.26 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 07:47.28 | Nobgul | after the tanks have died |
| 07:47.28 | Dagmar | Awesome |
| 07:47.33 | Nobgul | heh |
| 07:47.41 | Nobgul | deterence |
| 07:47.43 | Nobgul | feign |
| 07:47.44 | Dagmar | Such a nice big room to run around in |
| 07:47.49 | Nobgul | distract disengage |
| 07:47.56 | airtonix | TMc51, why you gotta be so mean ? |
| 07:48.04 | Dagmar | Now that wwe can send pets anywhere it's awesome |
| 07:48.45 | TMc51 | Nobgul: Never tanked on a Hunter before, but my Shaman used to "tank" every trash pull, and several bosses before I got sick of it and respecced Ele. |
| 07:48.49 | Nobgul | Dagmar, it scarss the hell out of me. Last night in throne of the 4. the hunter moved his pet up i thought it was attacking. i knocked over my coffee to get to my headset to tell people to run. |
| 07:48.51 | Dagmar | You can tell the pet to taunt and haul ass away from there. Wheee! |
| 07:49.04 | Dagmar | Hahah |
| 07:49.22 | Nobgul | TMc51, I never playes enhance. |
| 07:49.30 | Dagmar | I got the GL a little miffed at me in HoO there when the trogg smasher comes out |
| 07:49.33 | Nobgul | but i have healed plenty of enhance shammies to tank the boss |
| 07:49.42 | Dagmar | I was just snarking off and yelled "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!" and took off |
| 07:49.53 | Dagmar | I didn't know he hadn't been in there yet |
| 07:49.53 | TMc51 | There's no threat dump of any kind, and you can't slow DPS fast enough. If you're rising on threat, you either get lucky, or you end up tanking something. |
| 07:50.02 | Nobgul | Ok ill be back i need a cig then i need to get motovated. I was susposed to start this website 8 hours ago |
| 07:50.15 | Nobgul | windsheer lul |
| 07:50.40 | TMc51 | Oh, that's a new change to it. |
| 07:50.46 | TMc51 | Didn't use to do that when I played Enhance. |
| 07:50.48 | Nobgul | its like fade. tell a lvl 85 priest healer will full on boss threat to fade lol |
| 07:51.34 | TMc51 | Fade is just like Cower, last I remembered (way back early Wrath). It just gives you a couple ectra seconds before dying. |
| 07:51.51 | TMc51 | s\ectra\extra |
| 07:52.59 | Nobgul | At lower levels it works great |
| 07:53.24 | TMc51 | At lower levels, you don't get insta-gimped, either. |
| 07:53.46 | Nobgul | not like in current raid content anyway |
| 07:53.58 | Nobgul | i got insta gibbed by the boss 3 times |
| 07:54.05 | Nobgul | before i stood on the other side of the room |
| 07:54.06 | Nobgul | tonight |
| 07:54.13 | TMc51 | Haven't done any current content yet. First raid is scheduled for, I think, the first or second of Feb. |
| 07:54.38 | Nobgul | rolling 3 lifebloom on my tank. and put a healing touch on the other tank pulled the storm drake right off the tank 3 times |
| 07:54.56 | TMc51 | ouch |
| 07:55.05 | Nobgul | the dk yells at me wait for me to get agro before you dps. Dude im the healer.. |
| 07:55.22 | TMc51 | how is Druid healing so far? I haven't healed anything other than quests or in pvp on mine. |
| 07:55.29 | Nobgul | eh |
| 07:55.36 | Nobgul | its pretty shitty like the rest |
| 07:55.44 | Nobgul | I tank heal though. I refuse to raid heal |
| 07:55.49 | Nobgul | tank healing is cake |
| 07:56.04 | Nobgul | i have pretty decent gear. |
| 07:56.52 | TMc51 | I noticed Druids arent that bad at PVP healing. I follow around a DK or Warrior like I did in Wrath, and so long as he isn't retarded, neither of us ever die. |
| 07:57.15 | Nobgul | I don't spec into tree. |
| 07:57.27 | Nobgul | but in pvp if a druid pops tree there is no reason to even try and attack him |
| 07:57.36 | TMc51 | I do. It only really helps in those OHSHI- moments, though. |
| 07:57.40 | Nobgul | I have my 4pc pvp set. |
| 07:58.00 | Nobgul | I raid in my pvp gear. |
| 07:58.16 | Nobgul | Although blizzard said that next patch pvp gear is getting a 1/2 stat nerf |
| 07:58.18 | TMc51 | All PVE gear for me still. Working on a DK I plan to PVP with eventually. |
| 07:58.34 | TMc51 | What do you mean 1/2 stat nerf? All stats cut in half? o.O |
| 07:58.56 | Nobgul | YEs |
| 07:59.15 | Nobgul | They are not happy that people are using pvp gear for pvp cause the gear is equal or better. |
| 07:59.17 | TMc51 | oh, the bonuses on them. |
| 07:59.24 | Nobgul | no intel |
| 07:59.27 | Nobgul | spirit etc |
| 07:59.31 | Nobgul | str agi |
| 08:00.09 | TMc51 | Where was this? I'm looking on MMO-Champion right now, and the only real PVP gear nerf I see is |
| 08:00.10 | TMc51 | PvP Item bonuses awarding +180 to a stat now give +90. |
| 08:00.29 | Nobgul | it was a blue post a week ago, on the front page. |
| 08:00.34 | Nobgul | over at mmo |
| 08:01.18 | TMc51 | well, if they do that, it'll be S6 all over again with everybody wearing their Tier sets. |
| 08:01.35 | Nobgul | i may have misread, but i doubt it as my guild laughed at me |
| 08:01.49 | Nobgul | Cause they saw it and told me i better get new gear quick |
| 08:02.00 | TMc51 | All PvP 4-piece bonuses have had their flat stat values cut in half. Primary stats are very powerful in Cataclysm, so much so that players were considering using PvP gear in PvE just because of these primary stat bonuses. |
| 08:02.23 | TMc51 | Sounds like the bonuses. |
| 08:02.27 | Nobgul | I can't find it atm. |
| 08:02.34 | Nobgul | It may be then. "Prays" |
| 08:02.58 | TMc51 | Yeah, I sure hope so. S6 sucked, unless you were in BiS PVE gear with a couple PVP off-set pieces. |
| 08:02.59 | Nobgul | I can't find a cms that has a hotel theme that i can use for my needs =( |
| 08:04.44 | airtonix | wut? |
| 08:05.15 | airtonix | what constitutes a 'hotel theme' |
| 08:05.17 | Nobgul | I need to redo my works website. I am trying to be lazy and just find a hotel template for one of the cms's out there |
| 08:05.43 | Nobgul | Eh something i just have to change text in =P |
| 08:06.10 | airtonix | i think you're going to be at it a while and still be disapoint |
| 08:06.22 | Nobgul | airtonix, so do i |
| 08:06.31 | Nobgul | Ill just breakdown and do it myself |
| 08:06.44 | TMc51 | what cms? |
| 08:06.59 | airtonix | why not copy the nebula.nasa.gov |
| 08:07.28 | Nobgul | eh |
| 08:07.36 | Nobgul | I need to a blog on the front page |
| 08:07.43 | Nobgul | and intergrate facebook shit as well |
| 08:07.44 | airtonix | yeah ? |
| 08:07.50 | Nobgul | im lazy right now |
| 08:08.00 | airtonix | scroll down |
| 08:08.12 | airtonix | replace the twitter section with facebook |
| 08:08.25 | airtonix | change the blue tones to something like polished wood tones |
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| 08:09.19 | Nobgul | I was gonna steal the layout from the corprate website. |
| 08:09.25 | Nobgul | but its ugly and shitty |
| 08:09.49 | Nobgul | I guess ill just start with my cms and fix it up |
| 08:10.42 | airtonix | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201101/err/violent%20penguins.JPG |
| 08:11.09 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 08:11.58 | TMc51 | March of the Penguins is extremely violent. Those Penguins are cruelly trampling all that snow! |
| 08:13.47 | Fisker | i eliminated airtonix |
| 08:14.46 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227516#post227516 |
| 08:15.36 | Shirik | I'm reading the rules to my apartment |
| 08:15.39 | TMc51 | wut? |
| 08:15.41 | Shirik | The document is very formal |
| 08:15.45 | Shirik | Then I come across this one |
| 08:16.06 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 08:16.15 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:16.18 | Fisker | it's very cold here |
| 08:16.33 | Shirik | Rule 13. Alternative Heating Devices: Under no circumstances are heating sources other than the ones supplied, or approved by management, to be used inside the dwelling. This includes, but is not limited to: propane space heaters and barbecues. In the event that you violated this rule and did not die from the fumes, your tenancy will be immediately terminated. |
| 08:17.04 | Nobgul | lul |
| 08:17.04 | Fisker | lol barbecues |
| 08:17.10 | TMc51 | Shirik: And what if you DO die from the fumes? |
| 08:17.12 | Nobgul | Is the building owned by indian people? |
| 08:17.16 | Fisker | but Shirik |
| 08:17.18 | Fisker | that's a good thing |
| 08:17.19 | Shirik | TMc51: I guess you get to keep the lease |
| 08:17.23 | Fisker | if you die, they can't evict you |
| 08:17.24 | Shirik | Nobgul: no lol |
| 08:17.24 | TMc51 | hehehe |
| 08:17.47 | Fisker | someone should hire a lawyer and die |
| 08:17.48 | Nobgul | Just wondering, my owners here are indian and so is the manager, and it is very clost to the grammer they use lol |
| 08:17.54 | Nobgul | close* |
| 08:18.36 | Fisker | probably got it off obscuretenancypaperwork.com |
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| 08:20.50 | Nobgul | UGH JUST SO UN MOTOVATED |
| 08:20.55 | Nobgul | argh |
| 08:21.07 | Fisker | i'm rich Shirik |
| 08:21.39 | bluspacecow | do you have one dollah ? |
| 08:22.19 | TMc51 | Do you have tree fitty? |
| 08:22.56 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1921987890 |
| 08:22.58 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 08:23.17 | bluspacecow | costumer service |
| 08:24.04 | TMc51 | is that anything like customer service, except with costumes? |
| 08:24.22 | bluspacecow | yeah :) |
| 08:26.18 | Shirik | replied |
| 08:27.14 | Nobgul | lul |
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| 08:30.21 | Fisker | blows up a Shirik |
| 08:32.30 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549439998?page=1#3 <-lol'd |
| 08:32.42 | TMc51 | Shirik: Was that you posting on the priest about costumer service? |
| 08:32.51 | Shirik | mehbeh |
| 08:33.08 | TMc51 | If so, you forgot to /waggle. Shame on you! |
| 08:33.33 | Fisker | hah Shirik |
| 08:33.35 | Fisker | you got reported |
| 08:33.50 | TMc51 | I promise, t'wasn't me that did it. |
| 08:34.09 | Shirik | I seriously doubt blizzard will care, and even if they do, I don't post on the forums anymore anywa |
| 08:35.01 | Fisker | you just did a few minutes ago |
| 08:35.16 | Shirik | fu |
| 08:35.52 | Fisker | i need a fun game Shirik |
| 08:35.52 | Nobgul | I can't post on the forums |
| 08:35.59 | Nobgul | I got a 48 hour ban last night |
| 08:36.07 | TMc51 | =( |
| 08:36.22 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/916822977#7 <-not trolling for example |
| 08:36.38 | bluspacecow | how you get 48 hr ban ? |
| 08:37.20 | Nobgul | trollin |
| 08:37.36 | TMc51 | keep trollin trollin trollin trollin |
| 08:37.42 | Nobgul | Well not really |
| 08:38.06 | Nobgul | I basically said that blizzard is allwoing a black market operation and that they were not doing anything about it |
| 08:38.35 | Fisker | omg people are selling weapons outside the auction house? |
| 08:38.41 | TMc51 | about what? gold buying? |
| 08:38.54 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:39.02 | Nobgul | Well. about buying the in game lil xt pet for in game gold. |
| 08:39.04 | Shirik | I let people touch my staff for gold |
| 08:39.16 | Fisker | sweet Shirik |
| 08:39.36 | Fisker | they only do shit about it when they have proof and it gets reported Nobgul |
| 08:39.56 | Nobgul | Nope |
| 08:40.01 | Nobgul | the gm said it was ok to do |
| 08:40.01 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:40.04 | TMc51 | Hasnt their stance on that always been in-game gold can be used as a currency for anything in-game? Technically wit the lil xt, they're paying gold for an ingame item, even if somebody does use actual cash out of game. |
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| 08:40.08 | Fisker | then the gm was an idiot |
| 08:40.20 | Fisker | there's an address for addressing idiots |
| 08:40.21 | Nobgul | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/153262/buy-tcg-with-gold |
| 08:40.25 | Fisker | then report it again |
| 08:42.15 | Nobgul | oh well |
| 08:42.19 | Nobgul | i rarely post anyway |
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| 08:43.23 | Nobgul | http://skins.nucleuscms.org/browser/bluepigment |
| 08:43.28 | Nobgul | ^^^ what ya think ? |
| 08:44.23 | Nobgul | ugh |
| 08:44.23 | Fisker | i will destroy you Shirik |
| 08:44.43 | bluspacecow | @fisker /guildinfo works on the US servers |
| 08:45.15 | bluspacecow | oh wait nvm |
| 08:45.20 | Fisker | ownt bluspacecow |
| 08:45.41 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:46.03 | bluspacecow | "I haven't seen that recipe never on AH in last 2 years on my server so it's next to impossible to get that recipe." |
| 08:46.18 | bluspacecow | wiat doesn't he just say he always sees it on the AH |
| 08:46.27 | Nobgul | what recipe anyway? |
| 08:46.32 | Fisker | :P |
| 08:46.36 | Nobgul | i didint read enough to really see what it was |
| 08:46.40 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549439998 |
| 08:46.50 | Nobgul | so your gonn amake me read? |
| 08:46.57 | Fisker | "As I said, it's a bug that NPC stops interacting with you after 30mins, so you can't camp there for next few weeks to get that recipe. I haven't seen that recipe never on AH in last 2 years on my server so it's next to impossible to get that recipe." |
| 08:47.18 | Fisker | it's funny how he says it's a bug because <a very legitimate reason why it's not a bug> |
| 08:48.46 | Nobgul | i dont get it |
| 08:49.25 | Nobgul | nvm |
| 08:49.44 | mikma | nobgul: noone gets fisker, join the club "i dont get fisker" |
| 08:50.34 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:50.34 | Fisker | i can hook you up with a subscription |
| 08:50.53 | mikma | good thing its niot a perscription |
| 08:51.05 | Nobgul | i was refering to why it was signifcant that the op said he had to use the wormhole generator. But now i get it |
| 08:51.15 | Nobgul | Never knew there was a "secret" spot in dal |
| 08:51.22 | Fisker | n00b :o |
| 08:51.26 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:54.05 | Wobin | how does one clear the cache nowadays? |
| 08:54.15 | nevcairiel | belete the folders |
| 08:54.32 | Jerub | i found a secret place in org |
| 08:54.32 | nevcairiel | \Cache and \Data\Cache |
| 08:54.40 | Jerub | well, a friend did, and he made me promise not to tell. |
| 08:54.43 | Jerub | new org, that is. |
| 08:55.17 | Wobin | what's so secret about it? |
| 08:55.20 | mikma | oh gee |
| 08:55.26 | Jerub | Wobin: it's a bug and you end up clipping underneath it |
| 08:55.28 | mikma | finnish whiner about the npc |
| 08:55.35 | mikma | go troll him fisker |
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| 09:22.44 | Fisker | blu |
| 09:22.48 | Fisker | fuuu |
| 09:23.28 | airtonix | why do people say they'll be back next expansion ? |
| 09:27.27 | karl_w_w | so that people will know when they'll be back |
| 09:27.48 | airtonix | drug addicts |
| 09:28.08 | TMc51 | quitting until next expansion = rehab |
| 09:28.26 | airtonix | but in the case of ragewuit |
| 09:28.30 | airtonix | ragequit* |
| 09:28.30 | karl_w_w | so expansion = relapse? |
| 09:28.41 | TMc51 | aye |
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| 09:30.28 | Fisker | ragewut |
| 09:30.43 | airtonix | ragefap |
| 09:31.11 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 09:32.15 | airtonix | Dagmar, http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:45.35 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: it just means they are weak, real men quit for good |
| 09:48.16 | TMc51 | real men don't quit. |
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| 09:49.43 | TMc51 | ouch |
| 09:49.58 | TMc51 | my ms pro duo popped out of my camera when i went to get it out and hit me in the eye =\ |
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| 09:53.21 | mikma | lol lol |
| 09:57.48 | mikma | airtonix: rapequit |
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| 10:06.37 | zenzelezz | if the Enterprise's mission is "to boldly go where no-one has gone before", then why do they keep bumping into people everywhere? |
| 10:08.24 | TMc51 | Good point. |
| 10:08.43 | airtonix | zenzelezz, obvious godcomplex is obvious |
| 10:08.55 | airtonix | I will take the good word to the heathens |
| 10:09.10 | airtonix | (like they haven't heard "good" words before) |
| 10:09.40 | Jerub | airtonix: 'The Good Word' is just english for 'gospel' anway. |
| 10:10.02 | airtonix | which really means the shit that leaks past my chin is better than yours |
| 10:10.21 | airtonix | since a stoned starving old man in a desert was told so by a burning bush |
| 10:10.50 | Elkano | did the bush have a yellow exclamation mark? |
| 10:10.54 | airtonix | ye |
| 10:10.59 | airtonix | but i pk'd it |
| 10:12.10 | Jerub | ah, pk |
| 10:12.21 | Jerub | i nearly didn't remember what that meant! |
| 10:12.45 | zenzelezz | Elkano: pfft... this was first-gen MMOs, you had to go find your own quest givers; no clues provided |
| 10:13.16 | airtonix | i wrote the rules with twelve other brethren |
| 10:13.28 | airtonix | then some noob ran off across the nile |
| 10:14.24 | airtonix | my dwarves were rockn the awesome pointy buildings |
| 10:14.37 | Jerub | "who take care of botting and underground mining detection" |
| 10:14.41 | Jerub | what's underground mining? |
| 10:14.45 | airtonix | really? |
| 10:14.46 | Elkano | zenzelezz, quests sucked annyways... |
| 10:15.00 | mikma | jerub: people mining from.. underground, perhaps? |
| 10:15.02 | airtonix | Jerub, it's the dirty truth of wow botting |
| 10:15.20 | airtonix | "hey at least wow has less bots than X" lawl |
| 10:15.32 | zenzelezz | Elkano: clearly. "Lead your people on a 40-year trek across the desert" |
| 10:15.49 | Jerub | i'm just wondering if it means hacked clients mining nodes too far away on Z axis |
| 10:15.51 | airtonix | 40 generation* |
| 10:16.18 | zenzelezz | it was generations? Shows how long it's been since I was taught this |
| 10:16.33 | airtonix | system is corrupt man |
| 10:17.06 | zenzelezz | "Dad, why do we keep walking in this silly desert?" "Your grandpa accepted a quest. The rewards are supposed to be sweet" |
| 10:17.35 | Elkano | zenzelezz: "Kill your firstborn for free purplez!" - "Oh no wait, don't..." |
| 10:17.43 | airtonix | "NoobCalfCrafter was killed by LolBlackJesus" |
| 10:18.01 | Elkano | I mean , who wouldn't try to kill him aynways to see if purplez would still be provided? |
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| 10:31.49 | Mikk | alot of the "omg invisible miners" screams i hear are in heavily phased areas |
| 10:31.59 | Mikk | like hyjal |
| 10:32.21 | airtonix | so there are no bots at all ? |
| 10:32.25 | airtonix | phew |
| 10:33.45 | Ycarene | I had this issue in outland, where there's very little phasing. |
| 10:34.07 | Ycarene | I'd get close to an herb, hear the herb gathering sound and it'd disappear. |
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| 10:38.57 | Mikk | aye not saying there aren't any underground teleporthaxing bots |
| 10:39.16 | Mikk | i'm just saying i hear more screams about it in hyjal |
| 10:39.31 | airtonix | i hear more screams in general |
| 10:39.40 | airtonix | screams of passion |
| 10:39.54 | Mikk | which makes sense - people's level 80 gatherer alts won't have done any quests so they're in the phase that noone else is |
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| 10:49.12 | dusf | does anyone know what addon would cause shift-clicking a username in chat to bring up the /who window rather than just showing there level, class, and guild? |
| 10:50.24 | Maldivia | the game does that automatically if too many results are returned |
| 10:50.43 | dusf | hmmmm |
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| 10:51.09 | dusf | Maldivia: why would there be too many results for a single username? does it scan for usernames with the same string of letters/guilds etc? |
| 10:51.10 | bluspacecow | fisker fisker fisker fisker fisker |
| 10:51.14 | bluspacecow | i wanna cookie |
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| 10:51.33 | bluspacecow | click fail |
| 10:51.34 | bluspacecow | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20028919-245.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 |
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| 10:51.55 | dusf | Maldivia: it's the string, only 3 letters. is there anyway to check their guild when this happens? /who string just does the same thing as shift clicking |
| 10:51.59 | Maldivia | dusf: shift-clicking is the same as doing /who name - which searches for users, guilds, locations, classes where that name is part of |
| 10:52.40 | Maldivia | you can do /who g-"name of guild" if you just want to search for people of a specific guild |
| 10:53.19 | bluspacecow | @fisker http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1921987890#18 |
| 10:53.27 | bluspacecow | oh hai jamash |
| 10:53.42 | Jamash | sup |
| 10:54.20 | airtonix | bluspacecow, you should reply with : "you haven't seen customer service at ncwest" |
| 10:54.38 | bluspacecow | or costumer service @ ncwest |
| 10:55.01 | airtonix | i lol at people who qq about blizzard customer service... at least they are there |
| 10:55.29 | bluspacecow | or their costumer service |
| 10:56.02 | airtonix | brospehina |
| 10:56.03 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.11 | bluspacecow | *curtsey* |
| 10:56.45 | airtonix | no hassles no tassles |
| 10:59.48 | airtonix | bluspacecow, it would be cool in such circumstances if blizzard automated a voting interface form for the other guild members to confirm the popular demand for a new GM |
| 11:00.16 | airtonix | but they wouldn't be able to account for double votes from alts |
| 11:00.30 | airtonix | or would they ? |
| 11:01.16 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 11:01.17 | amro | airtonix: they can limit to one account |
| 11:01.23 | bluspacecow | the mystery deepens |
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| 11:07.52 | Jamash | you want a guild master no confidence thing? |
| 11:08.23 | Jamash | I'M HIJACKING THIS GUILD TO CUBA |
| 11:13.09 | airtonix | JAMASH, IM OUTSIDE THE AIRLOCK I JUST NEED THE ENTRANCE CODE |
| 11:16.28 | Jamash | the entrance code is 8008135 |
| 11:16.58 | bluspacecow | nooooo |
| 11:17.03 | bluspacecow | thats the self destruct code |
| 11:17.05 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 11:17.25 | Jamash | explodes |
| 11:17.25 | airtonix | <harbinger has logged out> |
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| 11:21.57 | drag0nius | hey |
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| 11:22.13 | airtonix | cides not here |
| 11:22.14 | drag0nius | how to /click table (result of framestack) |
| 11:22.15 | bluspacecow | sup Repo |
| 11:22.33 | drag0nius | cos i've table: 1B95DE50 for buyout in SearchUI |
| 11:22.39 | drag0nius | isntead of name |
| 11:22.40 | drag0nius | ;/ |
| 11:22.41 | airtonix | i'll buy it |
| 11:22.59 | Arrowmaster | drag0nius: you cant |
| 11:23.08 | drag0nius | doh |
| 11:23.25 | drag0nius | it sux ;( |
| 11:23.42 | bluspacecow | i'ld hit that |
| 11:23.52 | bluspacecow | giggity giggity |
| 11:23.54 | drag0nius | its np if i wanna buy out every result |
| 11:24.03 | drag0nius | but if i wanna pick theb uy its a pain ;( |
| 11:26.34 | airtonix | bluspacecow, you can't |
| 11:26.41 | airtonix | i'm buying it |
| 11:26.42 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 11:27.00 | airtonix | i just bought table: 1B95DE50 |
| 11:27.18 | Jamash | what kind of table is it? |
| 11:27.27 | Jamash | pine, oak, cheap plastic? |
| 11:28.02 | airtonix | indonesian teak |
| 11:28.35 | Jamash | fancy |
| 11:30.16 | Elkano | airtonix, RGBA or ARGB? |
| 11:30.36 | airtonix | cmyk |
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| 11:35.35 | SqueeG | RGBY! |
| 11:38.41 | Jamash | TGIF |
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| 12:13.30 | kraftman | where's the best place to read more about securepietemplates? |
| 12:13.42 | airtonix | bakershop |
| 12:14.04 | airtonix | federal baker shop |
| 12:14.38 | kraftman | ? |
| 12:14.47 | airtonix | Secure Pie Template |
| 12:14.57 | airtonix | a Secure Template for making Pies |
| 12:15.02 | airtonix | .... |
| 12:16.07 | nebula169 | i hate secure pies ;[ touch it and the whole kitchen is tainted |
| 12:16.13 | Arrowmaster | cheesecake>pie |
| 12:16.46 | airtonix | French Commonwealth Custard > cheesecake |
| 12:17.54 | kraftman | :( |
| 12:18.09 | airtonix | :< |
| 12:21.38 | kraftman | i thought Opie used them but i cant find any in its code |
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| 12:28.28 | airtonix | we're stuck with oil now : http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/01/22/1645241/Biotech-Company-Making-Fossil-Fuels-With-a-Library-of-Bacteria |
| 12:31.26 | kraftman | thats not necessarily a bad thing |
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| 12:31.40 | airtonix | what? |
| 12:31.57 | kraftman | being stuck with oil made by bacteria |
| 12:32.01 | drag0nius | how to check how many items are inside chosen mail? |
| 12:32.04 | airtonix | which is patented |
| 12:32.35 | airtonix | its not like anyone will "discover a field of oil bacteria" now |
| 12:32.45 | airtonix | also |
| 12:33.09 | airtonix | oil sucks for energy efficiency |
| 12:34.55 | kraftman | but using oil produced bacteria, compared with converting every technology that is currently fueled by oil to use a different renewable energy type |
| 12:36.02 | kraftman | its a step in the right direction |
| 12:37.51 | airtonix | they must of sigh a breath of relief when they learned they could continue the high oil prices |
| 12:38.08 | airtonix | because really, what does it matter if it's mined or shat by blobs on a field ? |
| 12:38.27 | airtonix | if anything, coming from a patented thing on a field means it's more controllable and in rare supply |
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| 12:41.10 | kraftman | well if it comes from the ground, it is releasing new CO2 into the system, if it is shat by blobs in a field, then the C carbon it produces must be being recycled from the system |
| 12:42.35 | airtonix | which means what? |
| 12:42.41 | airtonix | mining releases worse ? |
| 12:42.48 | airtonix | its not even the point |
| 12:43.40 | kraftman | well it is |
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| 12:44.03 | airtonix | no not really |
| 12:44.06 | kraftman | the point is either that we're running out of crude oil, or we shouldnt be using it |
| 12:44.15 | airtonix | no |
| 12:44.18 | kraftman | this solution is fairly carbon neutral |
| 12:44.46 | airtonix | the point here im making is that controlled soruce of energy is open to price hikes where there is no possibility of compettition |
| 12:45.13 | kraftman | i see |
| 12:45.24 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 12:45.26 | kraftman | well i don't think that patenting it means its a bad thing |
| 12:45.32 | drag0nius | can i create function from inside /run macro? |
| 12:45.36 | kraftman | im sure someone else will come up with somethign similar |
| 12:46.31 | kraftman | drag0nius: yup |
| 12:47.27 | drag0nius | heh |
| 12:47.31 | drag0nius | i just hanged wow |
| 12:47.32 | drag0nius | xD |
| 12:47.52 | kraftman | well thats not good :P: |
| 12:48.07 | drag0nius | trying to make macro to pick up all items with chosen name from mailbox |
| 12:48.23 | drag0nius | trying to do it like postal |
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| 12:48.26 | drag0nius | to make function |
| 12:48.31 | drag0nius | and make it recursive ;d |
| 12:49.04 | drag0nius | so it doesnt stop after 1 mail ;d |
| 12:49.19 | kraftman | are you trying to fit it in a macro for any reason? |
| 12:49.25 | drag0nius | ye |
| 12:49.26 | kraftman | or just using macros to test? |
| 12:49.39 | drag0nius | i dont want write it inside addon for such simple reason :P |
| 12:49.43 | drag0nius | when im selling herbs |
| 12:49.48 | drag0nius | i got em all in mailbox |
| 12:49.59 | drag0nius | cba chosing manually which to pick up |
| 12:50.03 | drag0nius | i just write name and let it go ;d |
| 12:50.36 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 12:50.38 | drag0nius | wow hangs for a sec |
| 12:50.43 | drag0nius | but still picks just one item ;d |
| 12:51.08 | drag0nius | how to make it wait? xD |
| 12:51.45 | kraftman | why not just use postal :P |
| 12:51.53 | drag0nius | cos i dont want pick ALL of them |
| 12:51.59 | drag0nius | i just wanna pick lets say azshara's veil |
| 12:52.29 | drag0nius | and veils are mixed with stormvines in mail so cant just pick up all 12 attachments |
| 12:53.35 | drag0nius | think i'll just stick to spamming macro to pick just one up ;d |
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| 12:54.14 | drag0nius | or is there way to make macro wait for 1 sec? |
| 12:54.17 | drag0nius | the script |
| 12:54.39 | kraftman | not really noo |
| 12:55.11 | drag0nius | im pretty sure i cant fit postal way into macro xD |
| 12:55.21 | kraftman | ^^ |
| 12:55.54 | kraftman | what i do is make my own addon, and every time i want to weak something small, i add all the little tweaks into that addon |
| 12:56.01 | kraftman | tweak* |
| 12:56.14 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 12:56.20 | drag0nius | i can wait for keypress right? xD |
| 12:56.53 | drag0nius | nvm still doesnt solve |
| 12:58.03 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 12:58.10 | drag0nius | i can make debugprofilestart/stop xD |
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| 13:02.12 | kraftman | before i start trying, is it possible to make a secure frame that will target a player if clicked quickly, but cast a spell if held down? |
| 13:02.49 | kraftman | i want to make gesture based casting that incorporates targetting |
| 13:03.35 | drag0nius | is it even possible to click such frame? |
| 13:03.47 | drag0nius | or any frame |
| 13:05.13 | kraftman | yeh i reckon so |
| 13:05.44 | drag0nius | i tried looking for but seems theres no way u can choose spell during combat |
| 13:06.19 | drag0nius | at least using macro frames ;d |
| 13:06.26 | kraftman | well im thinking of somethign similar to opie |
| 13:07.31 | drag0nius | so u wanna trigger showing frames by gesture? ;d |
| 13:07.43 | kraftman | yeh |
| 13:07.44 | drag0nius | nice idea |
| 13:08.05 | kraftman | so for example you coudl click, the tank, drag left, let go, and it woudl cast rejuv on the tank |
| 13:08.14 | kraftman | click the tank* |
| 13:08.43 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 13:08.56 | drag0nius | i dont think u could simply drag |
| 13:09.07 | drag0nius | to click button u need to click down and release it |
| 13:09.52 | kraftman | well with opie you can drag and let go to cast |
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| 13:15.08 | amro | quit it, now I want pie |
| 13:15.16 | kraftman | ^^ |
| 13:21.53 | Arrowmaster | kraftman: spell cast can only happen at the start of the click so any kinda drag gestures wouldnt be possible |
| 13:22.14 | kraftman | then how does opie manage it? :/ |
| 13:23.50 | kraftman | Arrowmaster: |
| 13:24.23 | Arrowmaster | do you hold the mouse using opie and it casts on release? |
| 13:25.09 | kraftman | you mouse down, it pops up with a ring, you drag to an item on the ring, release, and it casts |
| 13:26.26 | Arrowmaster | then its using a special secure template designed to do that |
| 13:26.35 | Arrowmaster | the pie or radial or something |
| 13:28.38 | kraftman | i cant find any decent info on the securepietemplate though :/ |
| 13:30.49 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 13:30.50 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 13:30.59 | Arrowmaster | the documentation is the code |
| 13:32.10 | kraftman | then i guess securepietemplate doesnt exist anymore |
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| 13:36.43 | Fisker | fear me Arrowmaster |
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| 13:46.54 | karl_w_w | is having 40 or so tabs open at once bad? |
| 13:47.29 | uniplex | I dont know lua, but in psuedo fasion of what I'd like to do: for (players in range["Judgement"]) { target asort[players[health]] ; SpellCast["Judgement"] } |
| 13:47.43 | Arrowmaster | not possible |
| 13:47.44 | uniplex | looking at the api though its not possible |
| 13:48.06 | Arrowmaster | not possible for many reason, actually not possible for all reasons |
| 13:48.35 | uniplex | yah |
| 13:48.41 | uniplex | I agree |
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| 13:55.31 | uniplex | there's gota be some advantages there waiting to be discovered though |
| 13:57.03 | uniplex | there has to be a way to get party members health |
| 13:57.10 | olafski | yes :P |
| 13:57.23 | olafski | UnitHealth("party1") or something |
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| 13:59.34 | uniplex | healing is pretty complex though, I'm not sure i could begin to phathom a decent healing algorithm that worked, off the top of my head |
| 14:01.15 | cbreak | healing is easy to calculate... the problem is accounting for random occurences like boss crits |
| 14:01.19 | cbreak | crushing blows |
| 14:01.24 | cbreak | dodges/parries |
| 14:01.33 | uniplex | I can think of simple stuff though, like switching beacon away from the target im about to heal to someone else that could benefit the most from it at that time |
| 14:01.38 | cbreak | and crit heals |
| 14:02.21 | cbreak | beacon doesn't heal the owner of the beacon if the target you heal has the beacon itself? |
| 14:02.33 | uniplex | nope |
| 14:02.39 | cbreak | what a weird exception |
| 14:03.21 | uniplex | protector of the innocent does dip into beacon for the, but not the heal you cast |
| 14:03.33 | uniplex | s/the/them/ |
| 14:03.47 | uniplex | s/the/them/2 |
| 14:03.58 | uniplex | protector of the innocent does dip into beacon for the, but not the heal you cast |
| 14:04.01 | uniplex | s/the/them/2 |
| 14:04.05 | cbreak | s/weird/stupid/ |
| 14:05.06 | uniplex | well |
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| 14:05.48 | uniplex | if it did , in pvp i would beacon myself, and be in like -- godmode |
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| 14:07.03 | cbreak | who cares. PvP is unbalanced anyway |
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| 14:16.41 | uniplex | i wonder how robust lua is anyway, im very picky about that |
| 14:16.52 | cbreak | define robust |
| 14:16.56 | cbreak | it's a very nice language |
| 14:17.05 | cbreak | that allows many different styles |
| 14:17.15 | cbreak | and it allows quite good isolation from the C side |
| 14:17.36 | cbreak | (but of course, if you expose dangerous commands to it, people can use those commands to do dangerous stuff) |
| 14:18.21 | uniplex | robust as in performace |
| 14:18.32 | cbreak | it's faster than D :) |
| 14:18.47 | cbreak | it's also faster than python, ruby, perl, some java script engines |
| 14:19.11 | uniplex | faster than perl? |
| 14:19.34 | cbreak | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:19.46 | cbreak | sorry, incomplete link |
| 14:19.52 | cbreak | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php |
| 14:20.39 | Fisker | slaps cbreak around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:20.57 | cbreak | uniplex: check the box for LuaJIT :) |
| 14:21.01 | cbreak | almost as fast as C |
| 14:21.22 | olafski | why would you care though.. it's not as if you have a choice when it comes to wow addons :P |
| 14:21.49 | cbreak | yeah |
| 14:21.52 | cbreak | but it's interesting |
| 14:21.57 | cbreak | Lua is faster than C# |
| 14:22.06 | olafski | mono C# :P |
| 14:22.15 | olafski | but he said he's picky about these things, yet he's making a wow addon =( |
| 14:22.17 | cbreak | is there an other one? |
| 14:22.29 | olafski | isn't mono that linux hack to make C# work? |
| 14:22.37 | cbreak | yeah |
| 14:22.43 | cbreak | -> without it, C# doesn't work |
| 14:22.48 | olafski | on linux |
| 14:22.52 | cbreak | I tried it in VMWare, but it's slow as molasse |
| 14:23.03 | cbreak | glacially slow even |
| 14:23.12 | cbreak | (I used it for Rawr 2.0) |
| 14:23.20 | cbreak | (Mac OS) |
| 14:24.06 | cbreak | anyway, Lua's speed ROCKS |
| 14:24.20 | uniplex | olafski: i was currious of its performance for use outside of wow |
| 14:24.47 | olafski | ah ok :) |
| 14:25.02 | uniplex | im surprised as hell to see python above perl |
| 14:25.26 | uniplex | as a gentoo user I've grown to hate python - without even looking at it |
| 14:26.22 | cbreak | python's crap... |
| 14:26.28 | cbreak | but perl is cryptic crap |
| 14:26.54 | uniplex | well, it's what -- 4 languages stuffed into 1? at least. |
| 14:27.20 | olafski | nice.. random group got me into stonecore, tank leaves, the other 3 leave instantly too >_< |
| 14:27.31 | cbreak | the main problem with python is that invisible characters have side effects |
| 14:27.43 | cbreak | the main problem with perl is that every second character has side effects |
| 14:28.09 | cbreak | (and is a special character too) |
| 14:29.30 | olafski | nice comparison :) |
| 14:30.17 | cbreak | I like lua because it's simple, yet powerful |
| 14:30.28 | olafski | I only like it because I have no choice =) |
| 14:30.30 | cbreak | you can use may different paradigmas if you feel like it |
| 14:30.47 | cbreak | I used Lua in my master thesis as embedded scripting language and never regretted it |
| 14:30.58 | cbreak | and unlike the bloated mess that is perl, python or ruby |
| 14:31.08 | cbreak | it only takes about 250kb of copiled code |
| 14:31.25 | cbreak | (and the source code size is very small too) |
| 14:31.48 | olafski | people still use words like bloated? :s |
| 14:31.58 | cbreak | I would not use Lua stand-alone, but I think for embedding, it's really great |
| 14:32.04 | cbreak | yes. why not? |
| 14:32.29 | cbreak | bloat is unfortunately a problem in present times too |
| 14:32.30 | olafski | I've not really cared about memory or hdd usage for.. ages |
| 14:32.43 | cbreak | you work for microsoft? :) |
| 14:32.58 | olafski | I'm laughing, I assure you |
| 14:33.12 | olafski | if it doesn't show it's because the joke was too old :') |
| 14:38.48 | cbreak | want to see a language flame war? LuaJIT vs. D :) http://www.mail-archive.com/digitalmars-d@puremagic.com/msg45224.html |
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| 14:42.10 | Adys | [14:26:37] <cbreak> the main problem with python is that invisible characters have side effects |
| 14:42.26 | Adys | i'd say the problem is that having a terrible editor has side effects |
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| 14:57.06 | ShaunDreclin | Hey is there any way for an addon to play a sound effect and have it override the UI volume settings? |
| 15:02.36 | ShaunDreclin | twiddles his thumbs |
| 15:04.16 | A-KO | don't think there is |
| 15:12.38 | nevcairiel | nope there is not |
| 15:13.12 | nevcairiel | you can of course adjust the ui volume settings from your addon temporarily, but of course that also affects all other sounds |
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| 15:17.54 | amro | cbreak: that's an unfair comparison, none of those other languages make a claim to bein small |
| 15:18.13 | cbreak | how's that unfair? I want a small language... |
| 15:18.44 | amro | it's as unfair as saying lua is worse for not having a large standard lib |
| 15:18.48 | amro | the languages have different goals |
| 15:18.52 | amro | there's no point in comparing |
| 15:19.01 | cbreak | that's not unfair |
| 15:19.05 | amro | sure it is |
| 15:19.17 | cbreak | if you want a standard lib that implements everything, just don't use lua |
| 15:19.23 | amro | exactly |
| 15:19.31 | amro | and if you want a small language, don't use the others |
| 15:19.32 | cbreak | I call that "reasonable" |
| 15:19.37 | cbreak | not unfair :) |
| 15:19.54 | amro | it's only reasonable within certain contexts, you can't make any general claims |
| 15:21.42 | cbreak | also, LuaJIT is still faster than the others :) |
| 15:23.07 | amro | so's guile |
| 15:23.33 | cbreak | what's that? |
| 15:23.51 | amro | embedded scheme implementation |
| 15:24.05 | cbreak | not on that list :( |
| 15:24.14 | amro | oh, what list? |
| 15:24.22 | cbreak | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php |
| 15:24.29 | amro | guile isn't likely to be anywhere, it only gained the speed boosts recently |
| 15:26.01 | amro | I don't put much faith into those |
| 15:26.12 | cbreak | from that list, the median speed loss from C to LuaJIT is about 96% with the synthetic benchmarks |
| 15:26.40 | cbreak | that of Python 3 is 4412% |
| 15:26.55 | cbreak | sorry, 4312% |
| 15:27.15 | amro | well duh |
| 15:27.20 | amro | python doesn't compile to machine code |
| 15:27.41 | cbreak | yeah. so it's slower :) |
| 15:27.53 | amro | either way, with these kinds of languages I'm more interested in how they perform with memory management |
| 15:28.02 | cbreak | but V8/TraceMonkey are interesting |
| 15:28.11 | amro | I'm not writing any crypto apps in lua/python |
| 15:28.17 | cbreak | don't they all have GC? |
| 15:28.20 | amro | yes |
| 15:28.50 | cbreak | what matters with a GC is correctness, collection efficiency and speed I guess |
| 15:28.56 | cbreak | they probably are all correct |
| 15:28.57 | amro | yes |
| 15:29.05 | amro | speed is important |
| 15:29.09 | cbreak | those benchmarks measure speed |
| 15:29.11 | amro | since this is a benchmark after all |
| 15:29.15 | cbreak | (of the whole thing) |
| 15:29.25 | cbreak | but not efficiency |
| 15:29.36 | amro | how smart is the gc? does it ever kick in at the wrong time? does it reuse chunks? how good is it with cache locality? |
| 15:29.38 | cbreak | so a very conservative GC could just not collect anything, still be correct, but very fast |
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| 15:49.35 | amro | jnwhiteh: ping |
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| 15:52.20 | DJJeff | is there a SVN/Nightly build of carbonite? |
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| 16:25.29 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/in_perfect_world.jpg |
| 16:33.13 | dusf | Maldivia: ty |
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| 17:11.05 | jnwhiteh | amro: pong |
| 17:11.28 | amro | jnwhiteh: is there a way to filter make output leaving only compile/test errors? |
| 17:11.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure you _could_ |
| 17:11.55 | jnwhiteh | umm |
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| 17:13.12 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549392951 <-what a great idea |
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| 17:13.36 | jnwhiteh | amro: not in the default makefiles, no |
| 17:13.44 | jnwhiteh | search the mailing list, there may be better answers |
| 17:14.26 | karl_w_w | what a dumb thread |
| 17:20.20 | Fisker | thinks karl_w_w is a dumb thread |
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| 17:24.25 | karl_w_w | sets fire to Fisker's threads |
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| 17:51.53 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info17539-SexyGrid.html |
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| 18:00.37 | Mendol | Could anybody give some hints/starter points on how to overlay translucent regions on the map window? |
| 18:03.40 | Kraps | i tried so hard and so far, but in the end it didnt even matter |
| 18:05.03 | Kraps | http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/01/19/world_of_warcraft_divorce_open2011/index.html |
| 18:06.37 | karl_w_w | gdi disc detected. to play the brotherhood of nod missions please insert the nod disc |
| 18:08.03 | Fisker | i don't feel so well Kraps |
| 18:08.53 | Kraps | Fisker: have you been to a doctor at all? how long have you been sick already? |
| 18:11.09 | Fisker | what's a doctor? |
| 18:12.07 | mikma | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5817367/louis_n_stewie_familyguy/ |
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| 18:12.43 | Fisker | no! |
| 18:13.01 | Fisker | who's louis btw? |
| 18:13.47 | Kraps | supermans girlfriend |
| 18:13.49 | DJJeff | is there a SVN/Nightly build of carbonite? |
| 18:14.58 | Fisker | you mean boyfriend Kraps |
| 18:15.31 | Kraps | kinky |
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| 18:21.09 | Kraps | kotaku, y u no work right? |
| 18:24.45 | DJJeff | Exception:0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 0023:5EDA31B0 |
| 18:25.03 | DJJeff | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 18:25.03 | DJJeff | Program:C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Wow.exe |
| 18:25.08 | cbreak | fun |
| 18:25.14 | mikma | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5810227/hack_facebook_password_download_link/ |
| 18:25.26 | DJJeff | its a TARP ^^^^^^^ |
| 18:28.27 | DJJeff | mispelled thanks in the video |
| 18:28.31 | DJJeff | what a n00b |
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| 18:30.02 | Shirik | actually DJJeff it is a trap |
| 18:30.12 | Shirik | an access violation is a trap |
| 18:30.42 | Shirik | ~wiki Trap (computing) |
| 18:30.54 | Dagmar | I've still got those somewhere |
| 18:31.12 | DJJeff | you didnt see mikma's link? |
| 18:31.26 | Shirik | no |
| 18:31.39 | DJJeff | [10:24:58a] <mikma> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5810227/hack_facebook_password_download_link/ |
| 18:31.40 | Shirik | mikma links some really strange shit |
| 18:32.02 | DJJeff | that video is epic n00b lols |
| 18:32.10 | Nobgul | u called? |
| 18:34.22 | DJJeff | facebook is kinda fail now |
| 18:34.47 | cbreak | firesheep? |
| 18:34.51 | cbreak | or something new? |
| 18:35.13 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet it's an MFC app that looks at the username, uses a regex to trim it down, adds some numbers, and then goes lolololol |
| 18:35.30 | DJJeff | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMQGqAdEPd4 |
| 18:35.38 | DJJeff | now thats a l33t video |
| 18:35.47 | Fisker | why is it an mfc app Shirik ? |
| 18:35.53 | Shirik | because mfc = lol |
| 18:36.04 | Shirik | DJJeff: Nightwish is win |
| 18:36.13 | DJJeff | "Nightwish - Walking In The Air" |
| 18:36.16 | DJJeff | yes |
| 18:36.18 | DJJeff | TY |
| 18:36.32 | Shirik | Though my favorite song is bye bye beautiful |
| 18:37.58 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I'm pretty sure I once played an RTS game that used to crash, and the crash dialog had the MFC icon in it... I never dared check if it actually used MFC or if that icon was a bug |
| 18:38.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:38.44 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:38.46 | mikma | shirik: thanks! |
| 18:38.55 | Shirik | the apartment I'm living in still shows as "available now!" |
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| 18:39.41 | zenzelezz | your landlord clearly doesn't like you very much |
| 18:39.46 | Iriel | rents shirik's apartment |
| 18:39.53 | Shirik | :< |
| 18:39.58 | DJJeff | my wow only crashes when I have Carbonite turned on |
| 18:40.01 | Shirik | I do have an entire room I don't know what to do with, though |
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| 18:40.07 | DJJeff | I blame carbonite for my crashes |
| 18:40.09 | Iriel | Shirik: give it time |
| 18:40.21 | zenzelezz | Shirik: server room |
| 18:40.51 | Fisker | yay |
| 18:40.56 | Fisker | i died on nom nomtron |
| 18:42.12 | DJJeff | I cana solo AQ20 trash as a 85 mage |
| 18:42.15 | DJJeff | lol |
| 18:42.39 | Fisker | k DJJeff |
| 18:42.42 | Fisker | you cool bro |
| 18:42.54 | nevcairiel | i can solo aq40 trahs as a 80 druid |
| 18:42.59 | DJJeff | cant solo KARA tho |
| 18:43.28 | DJJeff | mages are squishy |
| 18:43.36 | DJJeff | we take talent |
| 18:44.11 | amro | you can solo most of kara as mage at 85 |
| 18:44.19 | DJJeff | not the bosses |
| 18:44.20 | DJJeff | nah |
| 18:44.37 | DJJeff | 50-60 gold per boss |
| 18:44.38 | DJJeff | lol |
| 18:44.49 | amro | yes the bosses |
| 18:44.57 | amro | 110k hp makes quite a difference |
| 18:45.21 | Shirik | Yeah a friend and I have been doing kara |
| 18:45.24 | Fisker | i solo'd attumen! |
| 18:45.24 | Shirik | lots of gold to be had |
| 18:45.28 | DJJeff | how much hp do I have as a fire mage with ilvl 344 gear |
| 18:45.35 | Shirik | don't forget to do those packs that everyone used to skip |
| 18:45.45 | Shirik | before opera |
| 18:45.52 | Shirik | or was it after |
| 18:45.54 | Shirik | I forget |
| 18:46.11 | Shirik | the dudes that carry all the money |
| 18:46.40 | Dagmar | They don't carry it anymore. |
| 18:46.46 | Shirik | wat |
| 18:46.47 | zenzelezz | philanthropists? |
| 18:46.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:46.52 | zenzelezz | yeah, they nerfed those |
| 18:46.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:46.57 | Dagmar | Dude that got nerfed at like the start of Wrath |
| 18:46.59 | Shirik | why |
| 18:47.01 | Shirik | bs |
| 18:47.09 | Dagmar | Well ,because people were going in there and farming the hell out of it |
| 18:47.22 | Dagmar | I'm suprised they haven't emptied M's pockets yet |
| 18:47.36 | Shirik | hahah |
| 18:47.51 | Fisker | i like ze pala t11 bonus |
| 18:47.56 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/145237 |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | killed for using a stalkword |
| 18:48.05 | Shirik | that's a new one |
| 18:48.52 | Dagmar | Looks like a botflood to services |
| 18:49.13 | Shirik | nah just someone being a nutcase in #wikipedia |
| 18:49.20 | Shirik | idoru is the uber version of EDI |
| 18:49.47 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:49.49 | Fisker | i like u |
| 18:49.53 | Shirik | I like me too |
| 18:50.16 | DJJeff | THIS..... http://i.imgur.com/scn5k.jpg |
| 18:50.19 | DJJeff | Is Me! |
| 18:50.26 | DJJeff | RAWR! |
| 18:50.49 | Kraftman | whats with all the black boxes? |
| 18:50.55 | Kraftman | you dont liek seeing the game? :P |
| 18:50.57 | Shirik | am I supposed to applaud you for using a crappy form of evaluation? |
| 18:51.12 | DJJeff | whats evaluation? |
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| 18:51.22 | Dagmar | Exactly his point. |
| 18:51.27 | Kraftman | touche |
| 18:51.31 | Shirik | If we're going to go there, my ilvl is 350, and I missed the last 2 weeks of raiding |
| 18:51.55 | DJJeff | I dont have a single piece of 359 gear |
| 18:51.56 | Shirik | but seriously, gearscore means like..... |
| 18:52.04 | DJJeff | Valor Points are slow as fuck |
| 18:52.10 | Shirik | craft it |
| 18:52.12 | Shirik | get rep |
| 18:52.15 | Shirik | there's a lot of ways |
| 18:52.22 | zenzelezz | DJJeff: your UI makes me claustrophobic |
| 18:52.28 | DJJeff | Runecloth has a 1 Week Cooldown |
| 18:52.29 | Shirik | I've only bought one valor point item |
| 18:52.30 | DJJeff | thats lame |
| 18:52.40 | Shirik | runecloth? |
| 18:52.45 | DJJeff | errrrr |
| 18:52.47 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:53.00 | Shirik | I actually had to think for a bit to remember what runecloth WAS |
| 18:53.02 | DJJeff | Dreamcloth |
| 18:53.03 | DJJeff | w/e |
| 18:53.18 | Shirik | You can make 5 dreamcloth a week, minimum |
| 18:53.27 | Shirik | You can make as many as you want in a week if you have the orbs |
| 18:53.34 | DJJeff | I am too poor to buy the Volatile Air/Water/Fire/Earth |
| 18:53.35 | DJJeff | :( |
| 18:53.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:53.43 | nevcairiel | farm them |
| 18:53.44 | uniplex | how many orbs to make a dreamcloth? |
| 18:53.49 | nevcairiel | 1 |
| 18:53.52 | Shirik | 5 |
| 18:53.59 | DJJeff | 5 |
| 18:54.06 | DJJeff | lol @ nev |
| 18:54.23 | Shirik | To be fair, I am pretty much a hard-liner raider |
| 18:54.34 | nevcairiel | one would be much better though! |
| 18:54.37 | Shirik | so I will be extremely critical of you |
| 18:54.48 | Shirik | You're probably a lot better off than most |
| 18:54.50 | DJJeff | meh |
| 18:54.57 | uniplex | i see the legs enchants on AH for like 1k, and i think to myself, wow they're crazy, i get like 750g on average per orb BS'ing |
| 18:55.11 | DJJeff | i'd suck some guys penis if he would give me 359 gear |
| 18:55.16 | DJJeff | thats how sad I am |
| 18:55.16 | Shirik | .. |
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| 18:55.39 | Shirik | What's up with your action bar anyway |
| 18:55.45 | Shirik | why doesn't it fit in the space at the bottom |
| 18:55.52 | Shirik | is it supposed to? |
| 18:56.00 | DJJeff | my bartender was setup for my old SUNN ART |
| 18:56.07 | DJJeff | I havent redone it yet |
| 18:56.10 | Shirik | And what is that icon to the left and down from the main menu? |
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| 18:56.17 | Shirik | looks like a rabbit |
| 18:56.27 | DJJeff | Polymorph? |
| 18:56.29 | DJJeff | lol |
| 18:56.33 | Shirik | really? |
| 18:56.36 | DJJeff | yup |
| 18:56.38 | Shirik | That icon is awesome |
| 18:57.46 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/ryq7C.jpg |
| 18:57.48 | DJJeff | lol |
| 18:58.21 | DJJeff | I still am trying to learn the fire mage rotation :( |
| 18:58.28 | Shirik | those icons are all lies |
| 18:58.31 | Shirik | mirror image is fade |
| 18:58.31 | DJJeff | dont even have a combustion macro yet |
| 18:58.40 | Shirik | remove curse is shadowfiend |
| 18:58.50 | Shirik | ritual of refreshment is mass disel |
| 18:58.51 | Shirik | dispel |
| 18:59.03 | uniplex | how is fire mage in pvp? |
| 18:59.12 | DJJeff | I dont PVP |
| 18:59.17 | zenzelezz | icon reuse in WoW? No way! |
| 18:59.18 | DJJeff | frost mages PVP |
| 19:00.28 | uniplex | yah thats all i usually ever see |
| 19:00.59 | uniplex | they hate me too because im a baddie at dispelling all their stuff |
| 19:01.19 | DJJeff | read this convorsation.... I DARE YOU!!!! |
| 19:01.20 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/lh9cN.jpg |
| 19:01.21 | Gnarfoz | augh, someone sue DJJeff for having an abysmally ugly UI |
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| 19:01.44 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 19:01.54 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Mine is worse |
| 19:01.57 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 19:02.02 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: not possible |
| 19:02.07 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 19:02.14 | Shirik | There are several people here that have seen my UI |
| 19:02.27 | Gnarfoz | they are wrong |
| 19:02.49 | nevcairiel | there can always be worse |
| 19:03.03 | Gnarfoz | also, DJJeff: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/masturbate |
| 19:04.11 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:04.12 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:04.57 | DJJeff | :( |
| 19:05.04 | DJJeff | did I spell it wrong? |
| 19:05.16 | DJJeff | hands Fisker a single red Rose! @-}--}--- |
| 19:05.44 | Fisker | why would you do that? |
| 19:08.19 | DJJeff | offers Fisker an ice cold can of I Coke I |
| 19:08.58 | Fisker | why doesn't loot drop for me DJJeff ? |
| 19:10.53 | uniplex | do you raid? |
| 19:11.47 | cogwheel | Fisker: |
| 19:12.03 | uniplex | i like that 25 mans drop same loot as 10 mans now |
| 19:12.49 | Fisker | yes uniplex |
| 19:12.50 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 19:13.33 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 19:13.46 | cogwheel | bread pudding = french toast casserole. Discuss. |
| 19:14.05 | Shirik | bread pudding? |
| 19:14.07 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 19:14.08 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:14.09 | Shirik | Also I will go to safeway now bye |
| 19:14.28 | Fisker | die Shirik |
| 19:14.40 | ccox | No, bread pudding + hard sauce == heaven |
| 19:15.03 | ccox | add in a few dark chocolate chips, and it gets better |
| 19:19.41 | cogwheel | ccox: wow was cpu bound enough that i was indeed able to up my shadow quality, but only to High |
| 19:19.53 | cogwheel | still getting a better (more consistent) framerate |
| 19:19.59 | ccox | cog - interesting |
| 19:20.03 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:20.08 | Fisker | sandy bridge is fucking awesome cogwheel |
| 19:20.13 | cogwheel | yes |
| 19:20.23 | cogwheel | also i broke down and ordered that evga overclocked gtx 460 |
| 19:20.25 | cogwheel | >< |
| 19:20.28 | Fisker | went from 30-50 FPS in raid combat to 60 FPS |
| 19:20.40 | Fisker | you suck for that cogwheel |
| 19:20.41 | cogwheel | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130596 |
| 19:20.45 | Fisker | should've gotten a gtx 580 |
| 19:20.49 | cogwheel | nah |
| 19:21.10 | cogwheel | the overclocked 460 runs about as well as a 470 or 480 according to tomshardware |
| 19:21.17 | cogwheel | and i never go for the absolute top of the line gpu |
| 19:21.43 | cogwheel | too 'spensive |
| 19:22.02 | Fisker | says cogwheel |
| 19:22.10 | Fisker | atleast you got rid of that ati card |
| 19:22.13 | cogwheel | you want to give me $ for a 580? |
| 19:22.18 | cogwheel | 'cus i won't say no |
| 19:22.20 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:22.43 | Dagmar | Now's your chance Fisker... You can finally lose that v-card. |
| 19:23.26 | Fisker | i wish i had your prices cogwheel |
| 19:25.00 | Fisker | i want a motorola astrix 4g cogwheel |
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| 19:27.54 | ccox | (I think I'll just keep these 6870 cards, thank you) |
| 19:28.41 | Fisker | ati sucks |
| 19:29.19 | ccox | ^ obviously said by someone who never had to deal with NVidia drivers |
| 19:29.36 | cogwheel | i have had good experiences with both and bad experiences with both |
| 19:29.41 | Dagmar | No one has to "deal" with nVidia drivers. They just work. |
| 19:29.47 | Fisker | nvidia drivers are fine |
| 19:29.49 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:29.58 | Fisker | have had to deal with ATi drivers though |
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| 19:30.34 | cogwheel | all i care about is what has the best performance for the $ and that it works. |
| 19:30.44 | cogwheel | and i've never had one just flat out not work |
| 19:31.05 | cogwheel | at least not ones i didn't drop -_- |
| 19:31.23 | Fisker | ATi is the lada of graphics cards |
| 19:32.04 | cogwheel | my last card was an 8800gts that replaced a 7900gs that i dropped. my current card is a radeon 4870 |
| 19:32.43 | cogwheel | does wow still not benefit from SLI/crossfire? |
| 19:32.43 | ccox | Sadly, I've had cards from all the vendors that didn't work, or burned out in a few days (without any overclocking) |
| 19:33.20 | cogwheel | yeah, but that's more likely a partner problem than nvidia or ati's fault |
| 19:33.24 | ccox | But in recent years, ATIs drivers have been more stable overall |
| 19:34.01 | Fisker | only failed hardware i've had was an ATi card :3 |
| 19:35.34 | ccox | Can we at least agree that Intel Integrated graphics don't cut it for, well, anything ? |
| 19:36.00 | Dagmar | They work for Solitaire |
| 19:36.10 | Dagmar | You know... for things that don't _actually_ require 3d accel |
| 19:36.32 | ccox | I don't know - I still get artifacts in Excel when using the integrated graphics chips |
| 19:37.04 | Dagmar | That's just sad. |
| 19:37.42 | Dagmar | I know I'm sick to death of hearing kiddies complain about framerates for Minecraft on their laptops |
| 19:38.10 | Dagmar | You tell them "It runs poorly because your GPU is fake" an they tend to respond with "NUH-UH RUNESCAPE RUNS FINE ON IT" |
| 19:38.35 | ccox | lol, yeah |
| 19:38.38 | nevcairiel | the latest on-cpu things are fine for 2d tasks |
| 19:39.14 | cogwheel | minecraft seems more cpu bound anyway |
| 19:39.20 | Dagmar | That along with the general refusal to accept the reality of "replace the novelty network card you got from Realtek with an _actual_ network card" when they report that playing a video game in Java makes their entire internet connection go away after a couple of minutes... it makes me think we should start forcibly restricting birth rates |
| 19:39.20 | cogwheel | the graphics aren't all that sophisticated |
| 19:39.38 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt use sophiscated in any relation to minecraft graphics |
| 19:39.45 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 19:40.03 | cogwheel | i imagine by the nature of it, you might end up with a really high poly count |
| 19:40.10 | Dagmar | You do. |
| 19:40.14 | Dagmar | ...and frequently. |
| 19:40.22 | nevcairiel | if you zoom out to the whole world maybe |
| 19:40.23 | cogwheel | does it try to optimize contiguous surfaces? |
| 19:40.23 | Dagmar | Plus, it's in freaking Java |
| 19:40.33 | Dagmar | Not that I can tell |
| 19:40.48 | Dagmar | 1 block = three faces and always three faces |
| 19:41.46 | Dagmar | Notch did exactly zero optimizations |
| 19:42.12 | Cide | :o |
| 19:42.17 | Cide | you have access to the source code? |
| 19:42.28 | Dagmar | In a manner of speaking. I've in Java |
| 19:42.32 | Dagmar | er It's in Java |
| 19:42.37 | Cide | and you read the bytecode? |
| 19:42.44 | Dagmar | Decompile, deobfuscate, boggle |
| 19:42.56 | Dagmar | Well, I suppose boggle comes before deobfuscate |
| 19:43.01 | Cide | and you read it all? |
| 19:43.29 | Dagmar | I went through a great deal of it looking for things I could make go explody-boom. |
| 19:43.48 | Dagmar | At the moment I'm waiting for the MCP guys to update the deobfscation tables for the latest version of the client and server |
| 19:44.06 | Dagmar | When it's not been obfuscated to hell and back, Java is dead easy to work with |
| 19:44.38 | ccox | s/easy/slow/g |
| 19:44.59 | Dagmar | Some of hte more exciting bits are it sends shorts along the wire... Two's complement shorts... to indicate the length of _strings_ |
| 19:45.38 | Dagmar | The last time I stumbled across four different ways to just crash a server outright |
| 19:45.55 | Iriel | The minecraft server's not too bad |
| 19:46.00 | Iriel | I've been decompiling it |
| 19:46.16 | Iriel | or should I say, I decompiled it, and de-obfuscated it, an dhave then been playing catchup |
| 19:46.36 | Iriel | Sure it's got some quirks and "hey look, I can fail here" moments |
| 19:46.40 | Iriel | but it's not awful. |
| 19:46.45 | Dagmar | I've bene thinking about checking the mcp channel on esper to see if there's a mostly complete deobfuscation table |
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| 19:47.11 | Iriel | I have it mostly automated now, I wrote some rules on what various objects and methods look like, and it hunts them down |
| 19:47.15 | Iriel | It's been an interesting exercise |
| 19:47.18 | Dagmar | Daddy needs bonemeal and the server I've been messing about on is being lazy about turning monsters on |
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| 19:47.55 | Dagmar | Since those dyes and so on didn't exist when I wrote the last hack, the "Great Ark" I built has none of that in stock |
| 19:47.57 | Iriel | I wish he'd fix the screen-goes-black-client-locks-up bug on windows |
| 19:48.17 | Dagmar | Iriel: There's a mod that makes it actually report the GL error to you, but it's still useless. |
| 19:48.19 | Iriel | (windows + nvidia, perhaps, since all the folks i know who experience it still are nvidia) |
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| 19:48.36 | Iriel | I dont really care why it's breaking, iI just want it fixed 8-) |
| 19:48.46 | Dagmar | Don't run in maxed view distance mode. |
| 19:48.51 | Iriel | I tend to have a client up on the mac to tp myself out of danger if I crash in a bad place |
| 19:48.56 | Dagmar | That seeems to have made it stop for me |
| 19:49.05 | Iriel | zero crashes there, but the Z buffer is crap |
| 19:49.35 | Iriel | It's ALMOST enough to make me open up the client and figure out if I can set the graphics options differently |
| 19:50.00 | Dagmar | The client is no different from the server, and uses the same obfuscation table |
| 19:50.08 | Iriel | Interesting, good to know. |
| 19:50.22 | Iriel | Not that I maintain that manually anyway |
| 19:50.22 | Dagmar | The graphics code is well-nigh unreadable without deobfuscation tho |
| 19:51.05 | Dagmar | Because someone's working on it |
| 19:51.10 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.11 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.13 | Iriel | etc |
| 19:51.54 | Dagmar | argh wrong chan |
| 19:52.03 | Dagmar | Someone's working on it in theory |
| 19:52.19 | Dagmar | Iriel: I was cussing up a storm about tryng to find block numbers |
| 19:53.23 | Dagmar | Finally decided it was easier to write four lines of crap that made it tell me what the number of the object I was holding was when I ran a command |
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| 19:56.04 | Dagmar | iriel: You may find that http://mc.kev009.com/wiki/Protocol will shed some insights on some of the weirdnesses |
| 19:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate people who write 'create' SQL scripts for initial installations that contain tens of thousand of queries |
| 19:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | AND NO TRANSACTIONS |
| 19:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It was taking upwards of 15 minutes to execute a set of create + data import scripts |
| 19:56.35 | Dagmar | mysqldump |
| 19:56.37 | Dagmar | ? |
| 19:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrap them in a transaction, and bam, everything runs in under 20 seconds |
| 19:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: technically my statement was database-agnostic, but perhaps |
| 19:57.29 | Iriel | Dagmar: I have that information already, though I got it from the code not packet dumps |
| 19:57.30 | Fisker | rikai |
| 19:57.52 | Iriel | The low level encoding is just java's DataInput/DataOutput |
| 19:57.55 | Dagmar | Well, I should elaborate that I figure those people probably put that "create" script together by just running something along the lines of mysqldump and purging their own data from it |
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| 19:58.14 | Dagmar | Iriel: Makes exciting things happen tho |
| 19:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe |
| 19:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hard to say |
| 19:58.41 | Iriel | The mix of float and double baffles me |
| 19:59.03 | Iriel | Internally it's a wierd mix |
| 19:59.07 | rikai | Fisker: wut? |
| 20:00.34 | Fisker | Iriel |
| 20:01.33 | Dagmar | Iriel: I think it's called "teh lazy" |
| 20:02.13 | cogwheel | first great virtue of a programmer, but ignoring the third. |
| 20:02.23 | Dagmar | It does appear that he at least used mere floats where precision clearly isn't going to matter a damn bit |
| 20:02.49 | Dagmar | Like... ooooh the angle of the players head is off by a quarter of a degree. |
| 20:03.30 | Dagmar | I'd have used an integer to represent angle and called people who complained about it silly spergers |
| 20:03.40 | Dagmar | A *short* int even |
| 20:04.21 | Dagmar | Kinda hoping on this next pass through I'll be able to spot somewhere that I can send negative length strings all the way to other clients |
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| 20:36.56 | Fisker | it is cold cogwheel |
| 20:37.09 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 20:38.43 | Iriel | Dagmar: A lot of the angles and things are shorts over the wire, there's some definite attempt to reduce the wire overhead for comon packets |
| 20:39.32 | Dagmar | Iriel: Some of it still needs to be taken out back and shot. |
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| 20:40.37 | Dagmar | Iriel: I was looking at packet dumps last night to figure out something about the auth protocol. Some of the initial login packets actually send their single byte 0x01 identifier _by itself_ in an extra packet. |
| 20:41.00 | Kraps | ASSUMING CONTROL |
| 20:41.01 | Dagmar | Hot pipes are something Notch is still learning about I guess. |
| 20:41.09 | Iriel | The low level I/O code is a bit simplistic |
| 20:41.22 | Iriel | Ironically the design is pretty solid, so it'd be fairly easy to fix |
| 20:41.31 | HARBRINGER | THIS HURTS YOU |
| 20:42.48 | HARBRINGER | I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS |
| 20:43.02 | Iriel | Dagmar: You might know this.. what on earth is Lapus Lazuli for? He added it but I can't figure out why |
| 20:44.49 | Fisker | it's harbinger you twit |
| 20:45.13 | Iriel | I'll have my har lightly toasted with a side of sauteed mushrooms |
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| 20:46.44 | Fisker | have you killed yourself yet HARBRINGER? |
| 20:46.48 | HARBRINGER | I'M HARBINGERS IDIOT BROTHER ACTUALLY |
| 20:47.01 | Fisker | OH |
| 20:48.25 | Kraps | what the big deal about deus ex? |
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| 20:49.50 | Fisker | it's a game Kraps |
| 20:49.53 | Fisker | about implants and shit |
| 20:50.26 | Kraps | ok? |
| 20:55.30 | Cide | Shirik: I finally got blood of isiset |
| 20:58.34 | Fisker | i once got blood of isiset Cide |
| 21:00.25 | Fisker | why are we discussing blue items though? |
| 21:11.38 | Cide | because it's the best non-epic priest healer trinket |
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| 21:12.02 | jnwhiteh | I have it, but I don't think its better than what I have as a druid |
| 21:12.08 | Cide | which is what? |
| 21:12.30 | zenzelezz | skills! |
| 21:14.46 | Cide | funnay |
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| 21:39.31 | Computerpunk | pro tip: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/castbars.aspx or Quartz? |
| 21:40.14 | uniplex | roic tear of blood ftw, well not really, but for a blue it rocks |
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| 21:41.44 | Raptor | Hello |
| 21:41.57 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 21:41.58 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549665291#8 <-lol'd |
| 21:42.52 | Raptor | Question - Is there a master list of Cataclysm changes to the API anywhere? I wanna update my addon so it works again, but I can' |
| 21:43.01 | Raptor | t find anything documenting the changes |
| 21:44.13 | Raptor | Anyone? |
| 21:45.16 | zenzelezz | not sure if this is too brief; http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_4.0.1/API_changes |
| 21:47.01 | Raptor | thanks |
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| 21:54.56 | Raptor | Was the deprecation of "this" a wow change or a lua change? |
| 21:55.03 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 21:55.15 | Kraps | "I know this now, but policies made by man. And man can change policies too" that sounds very philosophical |
| 21:55.16 | Arrowmaster | and technically its been deprecated since wow 2.0 |
| 21:55.27 | Seerah | it was just finally removed for 4.0 |
| 21:55.32 | Raptor | I see |
| 21:56.01 | Kraps | Fisker: 15 TICKETS?! |
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| 21:56.35 | Fisker | 15. |
| 21:56.43 | Kraps | 15! |
| 22:07.07 | Xyphoid | blue dye, right? |
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| 22:11.29 | Iriel | Xyphoid: Perhaps, not sure how though? |
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| 22:25.08 | Xyphoid | it's a game that actually manages the 'you can stealth or hack or gun your way through' thing |
| 22:28.08 | zenzelezz | what is? |
| 22:32.48 | olafski | deus ex I imagine |
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| 22:45.53 | Fisker | i'm cold Shirik |
| 23:04.23 | olafski | http://www.google.com/recaptcha/api/image?c=03AHJ_Vuui9wCTGwMh3PAb2GDMrbrZ_oV7njgwJE4AWxVjORL92gwVDEGpIkKxNob4m5Z3VSq_BELSlbj0GhUtguxsxw4MOrdnEgPg9vmxzNigIGGS95HeqdO-TXfRSXnwnfljNYY0hf3JhrbFbx7akVP03AQhqQVyAw .. seriously? |
| 23:04.59 | Maldivia | olafski: you don't know your greek ? |
| 23:05.30 | olafski | I can probably name a few of those characters.. wouldn't know how to type them though :P |
| 23:06.44 | Maldivia | αλóγονÏ? |
| 23:07.43 | olafski | good job |
| 23:08.02 | Maldivia | :P |
| 23:09.52 | Grum | jeej! |
| 23:13.10 | Pneumatus | anyone know of an addon that will allow me to fake reforging an item so I can see its tooltip when reforged a certain way for comparison? |
| 23:13.22 | Pneumatus | also, being able to define gems would also be a bonus |
| 23:14.54 | Maldivia | why do you want to see the tooltips for it? |
| 23:15.34 | Pneumatus | for example, i want to be able to compare side-by-side an existing item I have with one i could buy from a vendor but would need to reforge |
| 23:17.00 | Pneumatus | and ratingbuster doesn't have an auto-reforge option for comparison |
| 23:17.19 | Maldivia | hmm, does linking a reforged item show the reforged stats+ |
| 23:17.36 | Pneumatus | yus |
| 23:17.44 | Pneumatus | it's part of the itemlink |
| 23:18.09 | Maldivia | ok, couldn't remember if it was part of the link or the serial |
| 23:18.36 | Pneumatus | well, the reforge that has been applied is definatly part of the link |
| 23:20.25 | Maldivia | well, don't know of an addon that does what you ask for, but it's easily possible to do then |
| 23:20.43 | Cide | or just do the math |
| 23:20.55 | Cide | 40% of the stat isn't it |
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| 23:23.35 | Dagmar | Isn't it like a fixed percentage of the secondary/useless stat? |
| 23:23.41 | Cide | that's what I said |
| 23:23.44 | Maldivia | 40% |
| 23:23.53 | Cide | way to be superslow |
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| 23:25.21 | Dagmar | I'm having trouble seeing why someone would care, since often the stat you're taking from is useless to you, and a reforged item will never be more effective than one that only has the stats you're stacking |
| 23:25.56 | Cide | unless the item you're replacing is also a sidegrade? |
| 23:26.19 | Dagmar | Meh/ Then you're talking about "who gives a shit" territory for real |
| 23:26.27 | Cide | no? |
| 23:26.40 | Maldivia | at current tier, the stat isn't useless, the other stat is just more useful |
| 23:26.44 | Dagmar | I've never seen those come out more than about a percent and a half difference |
| 23:26.48 | Cide | there are very few items that are perfectly itemized at the first raid tier |
| 23:27.01 | Cide | if any |
| 23:28.14 | Dagmar | yeah well if you're talking about the difference between say, haste and crit for the values on one item, that is really a trivial result |
| 23:29.58 | Cide | what if you have mastery/crit on one, and mastery/haste on the other, and you prefer crit but the other item is much better otherwise but you are at the soft-cap of haste so you don't really need that, but mastery is awful for you so you're not sure which you want to reforge |
| 23:30.12 | Cide | don't dumb it down to a black and white decision, you can't give a handfast rule for every single item comparison |
| 23:30.19 | Dagmar | Oh yes I can. |
| 23:30.23 | Cide | no you can't |
| 23:30.38 | Dagmar | For something like that when you sit down and do the math, the result comes out to be a _depressingly_ small difference in DPS |
| 23:30.45 | Cide | yes |
| 23:30.57 | Dagmar | I wear the shinier one usually |
| 23:31.00 | Cide | but maybe you're fighting another guild for the world first |
| 23:31.12 | Cide | and any single person in those guilds would tell you to stfu |
| 23:31.15 | Dagmar | Then you're either one of about 200 people in the world, or you are kidding yourself |
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| 23:31.42 | Dagmar | I am not one of those people since I have a job, so I could care less if they miss out on 8 DPS at level 85. |
| 23:31.47 | Cide | so your method isn't applicable to everything |
| 23:32.05 | Dagmar | No, but it is applicable to about 95% of the player base at least |
| 23:32.16 | Cide | indeed it may be |
| 23:33.10 | Dagmar | I look at it this way... you can spend 3 hours with a calculator figuring out the max theoretical DPS you can get with your gear... which is probably not going to be much of an improvement, or... |
| 23:33.32 | Dagmar | ...you can spend three hours practicing something like jump shots while running with Aspect of the Fox on, which is probably going to do more for your DPS by far when you need it. |
| 23:33.40 | Dagmar | LOTS more |
| 23:33.59 | Cide | for you maybe |
| 23:34.01 | Jamash | auto-shot while moving next patch yo |
| 23:34.03 | Cide | maybe said person has perfected that |
| 23:34.15 | Dagmar | Jamash: Holy shit really? |
| 23:34.34 | Dagmar | I'm going to be going hog wild in BRC next time then |
| 23:34.44 | Jamash | Dagmar: yup yup yup |
| 23:37.47 | Dagmar | I guess it would be a bit much to expect those would still go off by firing over your shoulder. Hehe |
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| 23:50.52 | Kraps | what the heck, titanic 2? |
| 23:50.58 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 23:51.02 | Nobgul | link or gtfo |
| 23:51.23 | Kraps | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640571/ |
| 23:51.50 | Kraps | what the HECK |
| 23:52.02 | Nobgul | lol |
| 23:52.41 | Kraps | look, even the smokestack is frowning |
| 23:53.55 | Kraps | when my friend texted me "titanic 2", i thought he meant "also titanic" |
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