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| 00:02.53 | Fisker | i'm copying a lot of stuff Shirik |
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| 00:19.15 | airtonix | Fisker, are you sure you can do it by yourself? |
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| 00:23.46 | mckenziemc | that be some heavy lifting thar |
| 00:27.48 | Arrowmaster | http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html |
| 00:28.47 | Arrowmaster | warning, comments filled with idiots that actually believe MPEG-LA is allowing usage of H264 in browsers for free |
| 00:30.13 | airtonix | yarr harr |
| 00:32.57 | foxlit | hrm. |
| 00:33.46 | foxlit | I'm playing around with circular references, and I can't seem to get them into a state where they'd both have a stable value that's just being held there because it's what the cache says it is :/ |
| 00:35.11 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2011384 |
| 00:36.06 | bluspacecow | i was looking for those |
| 00:36.07 | foxlit | heroic nerf-athon |
| 00:36.09 | bluspacecow | ty kraps |
| 00:36.45 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, qqthread makes me sad |
| 00:36.49 | airtonix | and happy |
| 00:36.57 | Kraps | Mind Sear can now be channeled on friendly targets in addition to enemy targets. In addition, Mind Sear's damage has been increased by roughly 15%. |
| 00:37.03 | airtonix | dichotomy |
| 00:37.05 | Kraps | WHOA WHAT |
| 00:38.38 | foxlit | Beauty lost a pup, Corruptors move slower in Grim Batol, Valiona flames for less; Ashbury lost his self-heal; Corborus thrashes less, Shock Blast damage reduced... |
| 00:40.51 | Kraps | QQ MACHINES INCOMING |
| 00:41.10 | airtonix | lol |
| 00:41.23 | foxlit | Some solid quality-of-life changes for groups with sub-optimal compositions, though |
| 00:41.26 | airtonix | inb4 "they said there were not going to be nerfs" |
| 00:42.00 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1869247082 |
| 00:42.12 | bluspacecow | methinks this persons macro logic is outsomehow |
| 00:42.37 | Kraps | Shirik: theres an int alch stone |
| 00:42.46 | Shirik | FUCK THAT STONE |
| 00:42.55 | Shirik | It's all like "looooooooooooool haste" |
| 00:43.25 | Kraps | oh thats the one |
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| 00:44.30 | Kraps | otoh |
| 00:44.31 | Kraps | The Haste display on the Character Info window (C) now shows the total haste percentage, rather than only haste from haste rating. |
| 00:44.34 | Kraps | yay! |
| 00:45.13 | Kraps | now you can see exactly how much haste you're wasting! |
| 00:45.51 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTKL3opdlw |
| 00:45.57 | airtonix | nsfw |
| 00:47.00 | airtonix | You're disturbing my, what's left of my brain. |
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| 00:48.40 | Kraps | "Below you'll find the preliminary PTR patch notes. If you feel that we forgot certain overdue class buffs, can't find any Tol Barad updates, or are sad because Ghostcrawler promised you a pony... don't panic! This isn't the final version of the 4.0.6 patch notes and our development team is hard at work on bringing these updates and more to a realm near you." |
| 00:49.10 | TC-Work | Shirik: teach me everything you know about sql in the next 10 min, i'm rusty |
| 00:49.34 | foxlit | TC-Work: SELECT 1; DROP DATABASE; |
| 00:49.39 | Shirik | There are four operations you need to know how to do |
| 00:49.46 | Shirik | SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE |
| 00:49.47 | TC-Work | foxlit: i said rusty, not dead |
| 00:50.08 | Shirik | Now that we've gone over the basics |
| 00:50.14 | Shirik | let's jump right into 5NF |
| 00:50.23 | TC-Work | actually, i think i am going to need to know the most about quesrys |
| 00:50.35 | TC-Work | query's* |
| 00:50.53 | airtonix | quesrys operate on the principle of jersks |
| 00:51.50 | TC-Work | i'lll jersks you |
| 00:52.06 | Shirik | What do you need to know about queries? |
| 00:52.12 | Shirik | You know how to select from a table right? |
| 00:52.21 | Tuller | select * from poop where pants = 'none' |
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| 00:52.40 | TC-Work | Shirik: i was kidding, but thanks anyway |
| 00:52.47 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 00:52.50 | Shirik | well then |
| 00:52.53 | Shirik | let me show you the query I'm working on right now |
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| 00:53.20 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/144764 |
| 00:53.21 | Shirik | Hells yeah |
| 00:54.05 | TC-Work | lol@ mcbride? |
| 00:54.14 | TC-Work | oh...name :( |
| 00:54.15 | Kraps | mzmcbride |
| 00:54.24 | TC-Work | i wanted an MC Bride |
| 00:55.14 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:55.15 | Shirik | mzmcbride |
| 00:55.22 | Shirik | he's one of the people that has a toolserver account like me |
| 00:55.22 | foxlit | If that user_id NOT IN |
| 00:55.33 | Shirik | he has a view set up that's useful for helping me get what I want |
| 00:55.35 | foxlit | clause doesn't kill your performance, I'll be surprised |
| 00:55.42 | Shirik | foxlit: Actually that part isn't too bad |
| 00:55.47 | Shirik | The optimizer takes care of it quite nice |
| 00:55.52 | Shirik | what's killing the performance is the "DISTINCT" |
| 00:55.54 | Kraps | The gnomish racial trait Escape Artist now has a 1.5-minute cooldown, down from 1.75. |
| 00:56.00 | Kraps | i dont get it |
| 00:56.04 | airtonix | Shirik, http://img.nattawat.org/images/jojly0jvq6ni1fqfeqy4.jpg |
| 00:56.42 | foxlit | Kraps: 90 instead of 105 seconds? |
| 00:57.04 | Kraps | oh i read that wrong |
| 00:57.16 | Kraps | Worgen and troll druids now have new art for Swift Flight Form. |
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| 01:06.30 | Cide1 | Shirik: do you need both "order by count(page.page_title)" and "select count(distinct page.page_title)"? |
| 01:06.34 | Kraps | husky made a show! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQzepWUhwbo |
| 01:06.49 | Shirik | no |
| 01:07.13 | Shirik | but I was guessing that two count(DISTINCT) is worse than 1 |
| 01:07.18 | nicoli_s | i love how husky abanded his website |
| 01:07.35 | Shirik | maybe I guessed wrong |
| 01:07.41 | Shirik | the optimizer can probably do better with two distinct counts |
| 01:07.50 | Cide1 | can you select blah blah *as foo* and order by foo? |
| 01:07.53 | Cide1 | or is that not valid |
| 01:08.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:08.03 | Shirik | I didn't think of that |
| 01:08.36 | nicoli_s | what type of sql? mysql? cuz i think in ms sql that wont work |
| 01:08.45 | nicoli_s | i can remember trying to order by an as and it not working |
| 01:08.47 | Shirik | mysql |
| 01:09.23 | nicoli_s | im having to work with mysql again, i hate theres no great official gui tool |
| 01:13.18 | Kraps | nicoli_s: what site? |
| 01:13.41 | nicoli_s | starcraftarena.net |
| 01:14.02 | nicoli_s | its been serving up a blank html file for weeks |
| 01:15.16 | kd3 | today's patch notes changes: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Patch_4.0.6&action=historysubmit&diff=2593814&oldid=2590323 |
| 01:16.33 | foxlit | " this talent will only refresh the most recently cast or refreshed Lifebloom, and will not refresh other copies of Lifebloom." |
| 01:17.57 | Primer | what "other copies of lifebloom"? |
| 01:18.05 | Primer | I thought you could only roll LB on one target |
| 01:18.45 | Cide1 | more than one druid? |
| 01:19.03 | Thrae | Primer: Tree of Life |
| 01:19.09 | Primer | Thrae: ahh indeed |
| 01:19.54 | Thrae | For those non-Druids, Tree of Life allows Lifebloom on an unlimited number of targets. |
| 01:21.12 | foxlit | Which you can keep up through nourish/HT past ToL's expiery on live. |
| 01:21.54 | foxlit | wish they'd shave a minute of ToL's cooldown, though |
| 01:22.53 | foxlit | "Tree of Life no longer grants immunity to Polymorh" << yowch |
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| 01:23.36 | Xyphoid | nerfing all CC to 8 seconds is interesting |
| 01:24.28 | kd3 | just for pvp |
| 01:24.52 | foxlit | it's odd, though. |
| 01:24.59 | foxlit | Does that mean that ToL can no longer be banished? |
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| 01:29.41 | Kraps | "this is a wow website not a nerd website." |
| 01:30.07 | Thrae | Just saying that is nerdy. |
| 01:30.23 | Thrae | But I guess technically WoW enthusiasts are geeks, not nerds. |
| 01:31.21 | Xyphoid | that depends on whether you ask a wow enthusiast or not, i guess |
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| 01:45.35 | Kraps | Xyphoid: that implies theres a definitive definition of geek and nerd |
| 01:51.11 | Kraps | my god the cs2 chat channels |
| 01:51.21 | clever | Kraps: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2522-A-Nerd-By-Any-Other-Name |
| 01:51.51 | Kraps | clever: yeah i saw that, pretty good |
| 01:52.15 | clever | sports geeks! :P |
| 01:52.30 | clever | jocks are nerds too:P |
| 01:53.00 | Kraps | btw zarhym is getting pissy http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/150804/-devs |
| 01:54.50 | Kraps | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=nerd&a=*C.nerd-_*Word- |
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| 01:56.04 | clever | Kraps: 2nd definition fits sports nerds well |
| 02:14.07 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 02:14.08 | bluspacecow | i'm getting verification errors on art.mpq using Ladik's MPQ editor both with build 3.2.0.537 and the beta |
| 02:17.40 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZLRgEI-9e0 |
| 02:21.17 | Kraps | airtonix: ? |
| 02:21.20 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 02:21.38 | kd3 | which art.mpq? ptr? live? |
| 02:21.47 | Gnarfoz | addon that keeps track of my alt's inventories and displays counts for items in tooltips like.. "Alt1: has 3 of this" |
| 02:21.57 | Gnarfoz | any recommendations?> |
| 02:22.33 | clever | Gnarfoz: altoholic |
| 02:22.56 | Gnarfoz | ty |
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| 02:24.18 | bluspacecow | on the forums when I mouse over when a post was posted it gives a time and date in UTC..... |
| 02:24.22 | bluspacecow | NVM solved it thanks |
| 02:24.58 | bluspacecow | searched for it on timeanddate.com and added it to my personal clock on that site if anyone's interested in the solution i come up with |
| 02:26.10 | kd3 | whee; realm crash? |
| 02:26.24 | kd3 | just saw a bunch of RealID friends log out and got disconnected shortly their after |
| 02:26.33 | kd3 | there* |
| 02:28.26 | kd3 | now if only I could get past the loading screen... |
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| 02:30.53 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps7uitdSHjM |
| 02:34.46 | Kraps | airtonix: what, simoilrig? |
| 02:42.18 | bluspacecow | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/shopping_cart |
| 02:43.03 | clever | bluspacecow: have you seen how twilight works? |
| 02:43.14 | bluspacecow | no |
| 02:43.19 | bluspacecow | dont think i hace |
| 02:43.43 | clever | its on theoatmeal |
| 02:44.12 | bluspacecow | I r lazy linky ? |
| 02:44.32 | clever | searching,,, |
| 02:45.10 | clever | bluspacecow: http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight |
| 02:45.18 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY |
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| 02:47.04 | clever | bluspacecow: after reading my last link, youll know what went wrong with the twilight fanatics ingame |
| 02:47.13 | bluspacecow | i see |
| 02:49.50 | A-KO | just got 2x 359 epics |
| 02:50.51 | clever | bluspacecow: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=32888 |
| 02:51.12 | clever | bluspacecow: those NPC's have been reading the twilight books :P |
| 02:51.19 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 02:52.42 | clever | bluspacecow: its the only way to explain why they would screw the plannet up so badly |
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| 02:55.31 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i bet a tron mmo might be enjoyable |
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| 03:00.14 | airtonix | Kraps, unigine engine |
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| 03:04.31 | airtonix | also |
| 03:04.33 | airtonix | how's your openbsd vpn going |
| 03:04.35 | airtonix | hoho |
| 03:05.13 | airtonix | Federal Bureau of Implementation wants to know. |
| 03:05.56 | airtonix | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=161171&postcount=24 |
| 03:11.04 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/01/google-reveals-plan-to-remove-h264-support-from-chrome.ars |
| 03:11.06 | Adys | "holy crap" |
| 03:11.22 | Kraps | ITS SNOWING AGAIN WHY GOD WHY |
| 03:11.34 | Thunder_Child | because snow is awesome? |
| 03:11.39 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvREwhfQmbc |
| 03:11.45 | airtonix | Adys, old |
| 03:12.00 | airtonix | Arrowmaster beat you :) |
| 03:12.06 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 03:12.12 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:12.21 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: ITS NOT, ITS REALLY NOT |
| 03:12.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: capslock is so last year |
| 03:13.22 | Kraps | WHAT DOES IT MEAN |
| 03:14.07 | airtonix | sorry i can't hear you over the sound of my own awesome |
| 03:14.54 | Kraps | I WANT TO PLAY MASS EFFECT BUT THE LOAD SCREENS ARE SO LONG |
| 03:16.21 | Thunder_Child | A. get a faster computer |
| 03:16.28 | Thunder_Child | B. ME was bad |
| 03:16.31 | Thunder_Child | 2 was good |
| 03:16.41 | airtonix | C. get better toast |
| 03:16.49 | Adys | Thunder_Child: it's spelled "I was bad", not "ME was bad" |
| 03:16.57 | Kraps | i meant 2 |
| 03:16.57 | airtonix | hoho |
| 03:16.58 | Adys | but its ok, everyone knows you were. still are. |
| 03:17.06 | Thunder_Child | Adys: no, it was bad |
| 03:17.06 | Kraps | and 1 wasnt bad |
| 03:17.13 | airtonix | Both were bad |
| 03:17.25 | Thunder_Child | yes, 1 was quite bad |
| 03:17.26 | airtonix | just like assassins creed |
| 03:17.26 | Kraps | airtonix: shut up |
| 03:17.40 | airtonix | and dragon age |
| 03:17.53 | Thunder_Child | ground combat was computer smashingly bad |
| 03:20.09 | Kraps | the loading screens have a cap |
| 03:24.13 | kd3 | whee; it's sub-freezing. time for the roads to turn back in to ice rinks |
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| 03:50.41 | Kraps | hey airtonix |
| 03:51.08 | Kraps | i'm in lesbians with you |
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| 04:06.08 | Thunder_Child | i hate you all |
| 04:07.11 | Kraps | i hated you all first |
| 04:07.31 | Aurorus | wow, lovely :-/ |
| 04:07.45 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes it is |
| 04:08.05 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: have you noticed any sales? i havent |
| 04:08.20 | Kraps | psn has some |
| 04:08.38 | Thunder_Child | eh, i'm limiting myself to steam |
| 04:10.34 | Kraps | rental?! http://www.direct2drive.com/1/10202/product/Buy-Silent-Hill-Homecoming-%28RENTAL%29-Download |
| 04:10.51 | Thunder_Child | "<Thunder_Child> eh, i'm limiting myself to steam" |
| 04:11.29 | Kraps | hey Thunder_Child |
| 04:11.58 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: * DOWNLOAD Game |
| 04:11.59 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.59 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.08 | Thunder_Child | rental ^ |
| 04:12.16 | bluspacecow | i like how he quoted himself |
| 04:12.30 | Kraps | 5 hours 9_9 |
| 04:12.38 | Thunder_Child | well, i didnt want to repeat myself |
| 04:12.56 | Kraps | ~rimshot |
| 04:12.57 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 04:13.26 | Kraps | 879 games for under $10! http://store.steampowered.com/browse/under10 |
| 04:13.39 | Thunder_Child | but thats not a sale |
| 04:13.45 | Kraps | 879 games for under $10! http://store.steampowered.com/browse/under10 |
| 04:14.25 | Kraps | 50% off! http://store.steampowered.com/app/27330/ |
| 04:14.52 | Thunder_Child | but thats not their usual sale, + i think thats been like that for some time. |
| 04:16.30 | Kraps | 10% off! http://store.steampowered.com/app/20920/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/63200/ |
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| 04:19.15 | Corrodias2 | Monday Night Combat looked really interesting, when i read/watched reviews for the xblah version |
| 04:19.28 | Corrodias2 | but it would require, like, friends |
| 04:21.05 | bluspacecow | $10 Pvs zombies |
| 04:22.04 | bluspacecow | not sure if want |
| 04:22.19 | Jerub | http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2011/01/12/2129920/107988822-600x400.jpg |
| 04:23.32 | Kraps | Jerub: lovely house you got there |
| 04:25.15 | Kraps | hey harl |
| 04:31.40 | Kraps | illusive man ftw |
| 04:32.30 | harl | wonders what Kraps exactly means by that. |
| 04:33.11 | Kraps | harl: i was going to ask if you liked Inception |
| 04:34.24 | harl | i did, or i do. i've seen it three times now in total. |
| 04:37.18 | harl | also, i know a bit from my own experience that digging into the mind isn't necessarily fun and can be very, well, disconcerting. |
| 04:38.21 | harl | the mind is an unstable construct, in parts. |
| 04:45.04 | durcyn | totally read that as "in paris" |
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| 05:05.09 | Cide1 | Shirik: http://www.wowhead.com/item=63534 wiee |
| 05:05.20 | Shirik | in boss fight |
| 05:07.35 | Thunder_Child | if you have enough time to respond, you have enough time to look |
| 05:07.37 | Thunder_Child | failure |
| 05:07.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:07.49 | Shirik | because my team is a bunch of fail |
| 05:08.00 | Shirik | Cide: HASTE EEWWWWW |
| 05:08.17 | Cide1 | yeah |
| 05:08.21 | Cide1 | but much better than what I had |
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| 05:08.58 | Shirik | same |
| 05:09.01 | Shirik | reforge to mastery, it's all good |
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| 05:12.25 | mikma | is good, is all good |
| 05:13.50 | Cide1 | the question is |
| 05:13.55 | Cide1 | my haste is now 5.15% |
| 05:14.18 | Cide1 | lua> 1.0515*1.02*1.05 |
| 05:14.23 | lua_bot | Cide1: 1.1261565 |
| 05:14.26 | Cide1 | ha |
| 05:14.32 | Cide1 | I can now get away with 2 points in darkness right |
| 05:15.18 | mikma | nevah |
| 05:17.38 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
| 05:21.22 | Cide1 | Shirik: what auctioneer also needs is an "exact match" search |
| 05:21.33 | Shirik | what auctioneer has is an "exact match" search |
| 05:21.39 | Cide1 | how |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik | go to searchui |
| 05:21.45 | Shirik | use the general searcher |
| 05:22.00 | Cide1 | oh, that's nice |
| 05:22.02 | Cide1 | thanks |
| 05:22.06 | Shirik | np |
| 05:22.06 | Cide1 | is regexp a lua pattern? |
| 05:22.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:22.16 | Cide1 | clearly misnamed |
| 05:22.28 | Shirik | not my fault |
| 05:22.30 | Shirik | I do the stats engines |
| 05:22.33 | Cide1 | also it's in snapshot |
| 05:22.40 | Shirik | yeah that's the only way we can do it |
| 05:22.40 | Cide1 | not realtime search |
| 05:22.51 | Cide1 | should just be able to search for non-exact and filter |
| 05:22.57 | Cide1 | not for regexp naturally |
| 05:23.01 | Cide1 | but exact |
| 05:23.01 | Shirik | you can get a filtered snapshot if you want |
| 05:23.11 | Shirik | ctrl+click the categories and scan |
| 05:23.14 | Shirik | or |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | if you just search for what you want it should pull it up |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | actually no |
| 05:23.23 | Shirik | wait |
| 05:23.26 | Shirik | are you on the dev build? |
| 05:23.31 | Shirik | the dev build has a "refresh" button that youcan use |
| 05:23.36 | Shirik | on the general searcher |
| 05:23.40 | Cide1 | there wasn't one |
| 05:23.42 | Cide1 | so I guess not |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | zip.norganna.org |
| 05:24.13 | Shirik | grab the latest :P |
| 05:25.09 | Cide1 | semi-related: anyone know of an addon that allows you to easily buy out an item? |
| 05:25.23 | Cide1 | I know of the feature in auctioneer but it's for my friend who doesn't need the rest of auctioneer |
| 05:25.31 | Cide1 | I will, thanks |
| 05:27.55 | Shirik | auctioneer |
| 05:28.00 | Shirik | is god |
| 05:28.03 | Cide1 | ... |
| 05:28.04 | Shirik | it will make cookies for you |
| 05:28.17 | Shirik | I use auctioneer for my boss mods |
| 05:28.24 | Cide1 | sure you do |
| 05:28.44 | Cide1 | lua> 1.025/1.02 |
| 05:28.45 | lua_bot | Cide1: 1.0049019607843 |
| 05:29.00 | Cide1 | lua> 1.025/1.02/1.05 |
| 05:29.01 | lua_bot | Cide1: 0.95704948646125 |
| 05:29.06 | Cide1 | whoops |
| 05:29.10 | Cide1 | lua> 1.125/1.02/1.05 |
| 05:29.11 | lua_bot | Cide1: 1.0504201680672 |
| 05:30.09 | Cide1 | 14 haste rating over the cap with 2/3 darkness |
| 05:30.15 | Shirik | nice |
| 05:30.19 | Cide1 | hm |
| 05:30.25 | Shirik | I'm considering dropping a point of darkness |
| 05:30.31 | Shirik | because haste is getting too easy to find and I can't get rid of it all |
| 05:30.38 | Cide1 | you should |
| 05:30.42 | Cide1 | so you can get 2/2 body and soul |
| 05:30.48 | Cide1 | but +30 haste rating from the socket bonus |
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| 05:30.57 | Cide1 | so the question is whether I should get 40 spirit or stick with a red gem |
| 05:31.12 | Shirik | what's the color of the socket |
| 05:31.19 | Cide1 | red |
| 05:31.24 | Shirik | intellect imo |
| 05:31.33 | Cide1 | is that blue or red? |
| 05:31.40 | Shirik | red |
| 05:31.49 | Cide1 | well if I get int then I get the socket bonus |
| 05:31.55 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:32.01 | Shirik | intellect is a good gem anyway |
| 05:32.02 | Shirik | might as well |
| 05:32.04 | Cide1 | but I guess I need int |
| 05:32.07 | Cide1 | yeah |
| 05:32.18 | Cide1 | know the name of it offhand? |
| 05:34.32 | Cide1 | guess not! |
| 05:39.04 | Cide1 | Shirik: Circle of Healing effectiveness has been increased by 30%. |
| 05:39.11 | Shirik | !! |
| 05:40.05 | Wobin | I <3 the new PW:S change |
| 05:40.18 | Cide1 | In addition to Strength of Soul's existing effects, when Power Word: Shield is placed on oneself, the priest becomes immune to silence, interrupt, and dispel effects for 2/4 seconds.? |
| 05:40.20 | Cide1 | that's hax |
| 05:40.28 | Wobin | well that |
| 05:40.40 | Wobin | plus the 200% increase in effectiveness |
| 05:40.40 | Cide1 | or did you mean the like 200% increased effect and half mana and all that stuff |
| 05:40.47 | Cide1 | yeah that's nice |
| 05:40.50 | Wobin | it's increased mana, unfortunately |
| 05:40.56 | Cide1 | oh yeah, you're right |
| 05:40.57 | Cide1 | my bad |
| 05:41.07 | Wobin | but it might actually mitigate stuff now! |
| 05:41.22 | Wobin | 11k bubbles just weren't being of any use aside from mana regen |
| 05:42.41 | Cide1 | mana regen? |
| 05:42.52 | Wobin | Rapture |
| 05:43.03 | Wobin | returns 2.5% mana on bubble pop every 12 seconds |
| 05:43.14 | Wobin | (disc priest thing) |
| 05:43.15 | Cide1 | ah |
| 05:43.22 | Cide1 | silly disc priests |
| 05:43.33 | Wobin | we used to be able to abuse Rapture terribly =( |
| 05:43.47 | Cide1 | it says 1.5% for 1/3 |
| 05:43.52 | Cide1 | wouldn't it be 4.5% for 3/3? |
| 05:43.52 | Wobin | downranked shields on LK infest was -aaawesome- |
| 05:44.28 | Wobin | no 2.5 |
| 05:44.36 | Wobin | 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 |
| 05:44.37 | Cide1 | it goes 1.5 / 2 / 2.5? |
| 05:44.42 | Cide1 | you got owned |
| 05:45.06 | Wobin | it used to be, that if more than one bubble popped at the same time, the rapture would stack |
| 05:45.19 | Wobin | so we'd spamshield the raid before infest |
| 05:45.23 | Cide1 | nice |
| 05:45.45 | Wobin | which would then pop all the bubbles, and we'd get back 20% or so mana back |
| 05:46.00 | Wobin | but they fixed that for caty =( |
| 05:46.10 | Wobin | disc priesting is still pretty broken |
| 05:46.50 | Cide1 | broken as in good? |
| 05:46.52 | Cide1 | or bugged |
| 05:46.53 | Cide1 | or bad |
| 05:46.56 | Wobin | bad |
| 05:47.03 | Cide1 | lolol I know |
| 05:47.09 | Cide1 | go learn a real pve healing spec |
| 05:47.11 | Wobin | greater heal is our 'go to' heal now =( |
| 05:47.18 | Cide1 | isn't for holy |
| 05:47.20 | Cide1 | Heal is |
| 05:47.28 | Wobin | Heal is supposed to be =P |
| 05:47.39 | Wobin | but it can't sustain anyone as a disc priest |
| 05:47.46 | Wobin | since our shields are pretty useless |
| 05:47.55 | Wobin | the whole 'mitigation as healing' sort of fails |
| 05:48.25 | Wobin | I, however, kinda refuse to switch to holy |
| 05:48.34 | Wobin | I -like- the mitigation mechanism |
| 05:48.53 | Wobin | I'll just sit it out til they get a bit better balanced |
| 05:49.04 | Wobin | also, every other priest in the guild is holy |
| 05:49.13 | Wobin | I had a nice niche as Disc =P |
| 05:49.28 | Wobin | and we synergised pretty well |
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| 05:51.30 | Dagmar | Healing's fun |
| 05:51.48 | Dagmar | Way less stressful than DPS so fara |
| 05:52.21 | Wobin | Dagmar: what class? |
| 05:52.28 | Dagmar | Druid. |
| 05:52.37 | Wobin | also, when on earth has dps been -stressful-? |
| 05:52.50 | Wobin | the only new thing dps have to do now, is their job =P |
| 05:52.53 | Dagmar | Long DPS fights are _constantly_ selecting different attacks |
| 05:52.58 | Dagmar | Non-stop. |
| 05:53.16 | Wobin | like? |
| 05:53.18 | Dagmar | ...because if you stop pushing buttons, you are missing out on damage you could be doing. |
| 05:53.32 | Wobin | and this is any different to healers or tanks? |
| 05:53.42 | Wobin | since caty, I've not wasted a single gcd |
| 05:53.58 | Wobin | if I'm not direct healing a target, I'm smiting my way to victory |
| 05:53.59 | Dagmar | Well, so far, healing seems to be a good bit about just slapping some hots out, and then _waiting_ |
| 05:54.17 | Wobin | 85 healing? |
| 05:54.37 | Dagmar | Workin' on it. I did some punting about on the PTR with a premade at 80 |
| 05:54.42 | Wobin | ah |
| 05:54.49 | Wobin | yeah, I've a 60ish druid |
| 05:54.56 | Wobin | and yes, it's all about hot and wait |
| 05:55.06 | Wobin | but it's more about using the least amount of mana possible |
| 05:55.19 | Wobin | but at 85, you're not wasting a single second |
| 05:55.37 | Dagmar | So, mp5 has no utility at 85? |
| 05:55.42 | Wobin | cause it takes at least 4-5 spells to bring a tank from 20% back up to full |
| 05:55.51 | Wobin | oh it totally does |
| 05:56.02 | Wobin | you -need- decent mp5 else you'll OOM too early |
| 05:56.10 | Wobin | there's no 5 second rule, however |
| 05:56.25 | Jamash | mp5 is gone, spirit is in |
| 05:56.37 | Jamash | and all healers use spirit |
| 05:56.46 | Wobin | true, I'm defining mp5 as 'mana regen' |
| 05:57.09 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 05:57.26 | Dagmar | I gathered the 5-second rule was gone when the spark for it disappeared |
| 05:58.23 | Dagmar | I have hopes that tonight won't be a full moon with respect to tanks that block with the back of their heads |
| 05:59.17 | Wobin | isn't that how druid tanks work? |
| 06:00.02 | Dagmar | Its' definitely not the way paladins "work" |
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| 06:00.26 | Dagmar | Another thing I consider "low stress" about healing is that if the tank is being a ninny, it's clear |
| 06:01.00 | Dagmar | If they get stupid and start taking more damage than you can heal, everyone gets a little break to think about it. Heh |
| 06:01.46 | Wobin | anyway |
| 06:01.52 | Wobin | healing at 85 is pretty stressful |
| 06:02.02 | Wobin | because a lot of people are still in Wrath mode |
| 06:02.11 | Wobin | nowadays you -cannot- stand in fire |
| 06:02.14 | Wobin | or you die |
| 06:02.31 | Wobin | healers can no longer just heal through everything |
| 06:02.34 | Dagmar | I'm actually *quite* comfortable with letting them die. |
| 06:02.45 | Wobin | that's fine, til you get booted for being 'fail' |
| 06:02.48 | Wobin | over and over |
| 06:02.49 | Dagmar | That I expected might bother me... but nope. :) |
| 06:03.09 | Wobin | people who game the system to get into heroics |
| 06:03.25 | Wobin | and then expect the healer/tank to carry them |
| 06:03.47 | Wobin | tanks especially. low geared tanks make me cry |
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| 06:13.44 | Corrodias2 | back in vanilla/BC, you couldn't just stand anywhere you wanted to |
| 06:14.04 | Corrodias2 | that means... it's RETRO! |
| 06:14.49 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:14.56 | Wobin | and people are still in the wrath mindset |
| 06:15.02 | Wobin | of AOETHEFUCKERSDOWN |
| 06:15.12 | Wobin | which no longer works quite so effectively |
| 06:15.30 | Corrodias2 | fights that had adds i disliked in direct proportion to the number of adds they had |
| 06:16.11 | Corrodias2 | that giant dude in SSC (i think that was the name) made me go :[ |
| 06:16.58 | Wobin | people have forgotten how to CC |
| 06:17.06 | Wobin | hunters no longer realise they can chaintrap |
| 06:17.12 | Wobin | it's terrible =( |
| 06:17.30 | Corrodias2 | god damnit, i was practicing that before i ever got into a group, with my alt |
| 06:17.32 | Wobin | tanks charge in before rogues can sap |
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| 06:17.44 | Corrodias2 | mind you, i couldn't get any dungeon groups before hitting outland |
| 06:17.45 | Kraps | holy crap this is so cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rYVtD_QW98&feature= |
| 06:17.48 | Wobin | and then thunderclap any CC'd mobs anyway |
| 06:18.08 | Corrodias2 | i felt like a jerk having my first dungeon run as a hunter be the ... ramparts |
| 06:18.36 | Wobin | as long as your pet wasn't on aggressive and didn't taunt, you'd've been fine =P |
| 06:19.44 | Wobin | you'd've been in the same boat as a lot of DKs anyway |
| 06:19.58 | Corrodias2 | good point |
| 06:20.26 | Corrodias2 | i learned how to do everything right quickly enough. i just had no group experience as a hunter. until then it was all the druid. |
| 06:20.47 | Corrodias2 | but those days are behind me now. many long days. jesus. |
| 06:20.54 | Corrodias2 | no wonder i'm so behind |
| 06:20.58 | Wobin | hunter isn't too bad, just FD before you pull aggro, and MD to the tank when you can |
| 06:21.26 | Wobin | and have the pet taunt if the healer gets aggro |
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| 06:22.40 | Corrodias2 | oh, that part's all pretty simple, i suppose |
| 06:24.19 | Dagmar | Except when you're not doing that you are juggling kill command, cobra shot, arcane shot, and about four other cooldowns |
| 06:26.41 | Corrodias2 | the hunter managed to have even more keybinds at once than the druid |
| 06:26.54 | Corrodias2 | possibly because they can use all of their abilities at all times, whereas a druid at least limits the set slightly based on form. :P |
| 06:27.40 | Shirik | dude |
| 06:27.41 | Shirik | Cide |
| 06:27.42 | Corrodias2 | i abused alt, shift, and control extensively, i tell you what. rotational macros didn't appeal to me. they were too detached. |
| 06:27.44 | Adys | !api getreal |
| 06:27.44 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'getreal': GetRealmName, GetRealZoneText, GetRealNumPartyMembers, GetRealNumRaidMembers |
| 06:27.45 | Shirik | Where is Cide |
| 06:27.48 | Adys | !api getrealloca |
| 06:27.49 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'getrealloca'. |
| 06:32.31 | Wobin | eh, there are hardly ever any more standard 'rotations' |
| 06:32.36 | Wobin | they're all priority lists now |
| 06:32.54 | Wobin | at least for the interesting classes =P |
| 06:33.12 | Wobin | in any case, dps is easy =P |
| 06:33.17 | Wobin | tanking and healing is hard |
| 06:33.47 | Wobin | cause you're not just reacting to prescripted npc events, you're reacting to player stupidity |
| 06:33.56 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_329704&v=rxWCbvE3zRs&feature=iv |
| 06:34.14 | Corrodias2 | on my druid, i at one time or another played all three of the roles, and i really don't know which was the hardest |
| 06:34.17 | Wobin | didn't you just post that, kraps? |
| 06:34.29 | Fisker | i like how even Blizzard don't know their own instances |
| 06:34.33 | Kraps | its a different one |
| 06:34.33 | Wobin | Corrodias2: Ok, I grant, kitty dps is ridiculous =) |
| 06:34.43 | Fisker | Beauty now spawns with only two pups in Heroic difficulty. Not to worry though, the missing pup has been adopted by a wonderful, if not insane family. <-pro-tip, there's 4 pups not 3 :P |
| 06:34.45 | Corrodias2 | yeah, that's pretty simple |
| 06:34.46 | Wobin | JFM |
| 06:35.05 | Corrodias2 | mangle shred shred rake or something like that. not much besides that and footwork. |
| 06:35.06 | Wobin | Fisker: Everyone forgets Runty =( |
| 06:35.46 | Wobin | Corrodias2: a little bit more than that =) |
| 06:35.50 | Fisker | yeah :< |
| 06:36.18 | Wobin | http://coldbear.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/catdps.jpg |
| 06:37.35 | Corrodias2 | yeah yeah, so you have like 2 more buttons to deal with that i didn't mention. |
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| 06:40.39 | Fisker | slaps robokitty around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:03.38 | Shirik | dude |
| 07:03.39 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 07:03.41 | Shirik | are you there |
| 07:03.49 | Kraps | where? |
| 07:03.52 | Shirik | dude |
| 07:03.56 | Shirik | I just pulled up the logs from our raid |
| 07:04.04 | Shirik | holy mastery is so powerful wtf |
| 07:04.07 | Kraps | oh here we go |
| 07:04.09 | Shirik | My top two healingspells |
| 07:04.12 | Shirik | #1:Renew (duh) |
| 07:04.19 | Shirik | #2: Echo of light (mastery) |
| 07:04.20 | Shirik | lol? |
| 07:04.24 | Kraps | lol |
| 07:04.25 | Shirik | #3: heal |
| 07:04.34 | Kraps | heal? |
| 07:04.39 | Shirik | yes heal! |
| 07:04.56 | Kraps | weird |
| 07:05.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:05.17 | Shirik | I just think it's hilarious how much healing mastery did |
| 07:05.18 | Shirik | I didn't think it would be this powerful |
| 07:05.32 | Fisker | i've been copying my steam folder for 8 hours now Shirik :< |
| 07:08.49 | Fisker | SCVs can no longer continue construction on a building from inside an adjacent bunker. |
| 07:08.50 | Fisker | wat |
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| 07:15.29 | Shirik | hahaha |
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| 07:26.10 | Shirik | Fisker |
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| 07:26.23 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 07:26.24 | Shirik | hi <3 |
| 07:26.31 | Shirik | er |
| 07:26.36 | Shirik | well hi to you too angayelle |
| 07:27.15 | angayelle | don't fight the feelings you have, shirik, just say yes to love |
| 07:28.43 | angayelle | i was toying with achievement api for my next addon, which will be a blast ofc, and i was kinda sad there is now easy way to have info about criteria completion for comparison units |
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| 07:30.21 | angayelle | then i cried a bit |
| 07:30.44 | angayelle | then i ate Nutella and i felt better |
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| 07:41.06 | airtonix | psychiatrists measure their effectiveness in terms of minds healed per second |
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| 07:49.12 | Adys | nutella ftw |
| 07:49.19 | Adys | angayelle: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:49.26 | Adys | with the achievement comparison, not the nutella |
| 07:49.53 | angayelle | ah, i'm coding an addon for raid wide achievement comparaison and meta checking |
| 07:50.12 | airtonix | to flush out the liars ? |
| 07:50.31 | angayelle | mainly for raid leader to know who have done what |
| 07:50.31 | airtonix | lf19m X raid must have Y achieve |
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| 07:50.51 | ReiserFS | i didn't kill my wife |
| 07:51.02 | airtonix | i believe you |
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| 07:51.10 | airtonix | but first |
| 07:51.18 | airtonix | a word from our sponsors |
| 07:51.35 | Aurorus | PEACE OUT Y'ALL :P |
| 07:53.52 | angayelle | http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4685/capturedcran20110112085.png did that back in the day |
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| 07:54.02 | Frisker | jersk :< |
| 07:54.03 | airtonix | back in the day? |
| 07:54.16 | Frisker | my new lan controller is blocking rdp |
| 07:54.19 | angayelle | woltk days |
| 07:54.25 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:54.44 | airtonix | yesterday is the new oldskool |
| 07:55.57 | angayelle | not having criteria info is not that important since i'm mainly focused on meta achi which criteria are achi i can check, would have been cherry on the cake to have all criteria |
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| 07:58.09 | airtonix | Fisker, i downloading a lot of stuff |
| 07:58.27 | Frisker | i'm using intel's fake raid for the last time airtonix |
| 07:59.01 | Frisker | i can barely burp without it saying "LOL ONE OF THE MEMBER DISKS DISAPPEARED THROUGH A BLACK HOLE" |
| 07:59.23 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:59.38 | Frisker | a few weeks ago i flashed a bios |
| 07:59.47 | airtonix | was it thrilling? |
| 07:59.51 | Frisker | yes |
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| 08:00.03 | airtonix | please explain |
| 08:00.07 | Frisker | but the raid manager said my raid has failed because it was missing a disk |
| 08:00.21 | airtonix | yeah every raid needs a disc priest |
| 08:00.34 | Frisker | Since my harddrives are Western Digital the Serial Number is "WD-xxxxxxxx (repeating of course)" |
| 08:00.47 | Frisker | The intel raid claimed the disk missing had a serial number of "D-xxxxxxx" |
| 08:01.00 | angayelle | a good raid need spare disc too, in case one crash |
| 08:01.09 | Frisker | it didn't crash angayelle |
| 08:01.16 | Frisker | for some reason intel just can't learn 2 metadata |
| 08:01.18 | airtonix | the raid manager was a nub |
| 08:01.25 | Shirik | if your raid doesn't have any disc, it can't crash |
| 08:01.35 | Frisker | yeah Shirik |
| 08:01.37 | angayelle | was mainly following airtonix on his stuff |
| 08:01.39 | airtonix | it won't go anywhere either |
| 08:01.48 | Frisker | just dropping fakeraid from now on |
| 08:02.01 | Arrowmaster | fakeraid isnt worth it |
| 08:02.05 | Frisker | i guess Windows can do a better job at software raid (hoho) |
| 08:03.19 | airtonix | i see your thinly veiled comment for what it is |
| 08:03.59 | Frisker | chilling tale brethen |
| 08:04.17 | airtonix | absolutely old chap |
| 08:04.19 | Shirik | I partition my disk into two partitions |
| 08:04.25 | Shirik | and then use software raid to put them into one disk |
| 08:04.27 | Shirik | to make it faster |
| 08:04.31 | airtonix | lol |
| 08:04.46 | Frisker | can't even troll the forums airtonix |
| 08:05.02 | airtonix | maybe you're using the wrong username |
| 08:05.13 | Frisker | i'm at work |
| 08:05.22 | Frisker | don't have an account logged in or an authenticator to login |
| 08:08.32 | Shirik | omg chocolate covered raisin |
| 08:08.34 | Shirik | so good |
| 08:08.39 | Frisker | no Shirik |
| 08:08.41 | Frisker | no. |
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| 08:09.07 | airtonix | two rasins, one shirik |
| 08:09.52 | Shirik | much more than two raisins |
| 08:10.13 | angayelle | easy way to add a border to a frame in xml (yeah i know, xml is bad and stuff) ? |
| 08:10.23 | airtonix | no |
| 08:10.32 | angayelle | damn |
| 08:12.42 | Frisker | i think airtonix meant no to xml being bad and stuff |
| 08:12.45 | Frisker | hohoooooo |
| 08:13.00 | Shirik | omg, Cairenn, do you like dark chocolate? |
| 08:16.03 | Frisker | do it Shirik |
| 08:16.06 | Frisker | for science |
| 08:17.13 | angayelle | Nutellllllaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:18.23 | Cairenn | Shirik: you know I do |
| 08:20.18 | Cairenn | and yes, glosette raisins are major yumminess |
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| 08:29.01 | Shirik | Cairenn: I found this stuff |
| 08:29.02 | airtonix | yay tiberian sun is free |
| 08:29.08 | Shirik | Ghiradelli Intense Dark Midnight Revierie |
| 08:29.11 | Shirik | 87% cacao |
| 08:29.17 | Shirik | 86%* |
| 08:29.21 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 08:30.11 | Cairenn | mmmm |
| 08:30.29 | bluspacecow | CAIRENN! |
| 08:30.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.49 | Shirik | you're too late! |
| 08:30.53 | Shirik | You must take back the lick now |
| 08:31.04 | bluspacecow | ?? |
| 08:31.13 | bluspacecow | how does one refund a lick ? |
| 08:31.16 | Cairenn | purrs at bluspacecow |
| 08:31.47 | zenzio | just lick backwards |
| 08:33.01 | bluspacecow | that would get me killed :( |
| 08:33.11 | bluspacecow | you ever petted cat the wrong way ? |
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| 08:34.05 | zenzio | unless you're licking somewhere weird, you won't get static electricity from reversing the direction |
| 08:34.23 | zenzio | I think you'd have trouble getting that no matter how |
| 08:34.27 | Frisker | free how airtonix ? |
| 08:34.29 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 08:34.38 | Frisker | part of the C&C classics shit they do sometimes? |
| 08:34.47 | bluspacecow | i'll just give my licks to Fisker |
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| 08:34.57 | Frisker | you wish |
| 08:37.25 | airtonix | yes free as in cost |
| 08:37.43 | airtonix | http://www.commandandconquer.com/classic |
| 08:38.06 | airtonix | :( |
| 08:38.09 | airtonix | fileplanet |
| 08:38.34 | zenzio | I'm surprised that site can still run |
| 08:38.48 | zenzio | the few times I drop by, I have trouble locating any content amid all the ads |
| 08:39.01 | airtonix | it's powered by Internationally Gratified Nuns |
| 08:39.37 | airtonix | OfficialCnCTiberianSun.rar << i can't click it |
| 08:39.51 | airtonix | Frisker, please destroy them ? |
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| 08:57.32 | Shirik | How to know you are up way too late at night: |
| 08:57.39 | Shirik | Your friend from Germany sends you an email saying "good morning" |
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| 08:59.27 | zenzio | I don't know about that |
| 08:59.47 | zenzio | assuming you're east coast, and he's up at seven, that's just one o'clock at night for you |
| 09:01.49 | zenzio | though I guess that is late for some people |
| 09:02.34 | Adys | !api dropdown |
| 09:02.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'dropdown'. |
| 09:02.36 | Adys | !api dropdown:add |
| 09:02.36 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'dropdown:add'. |
| 09:02.38 | Adys | meh |
| 09:05.23 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It's 4 AM here |
| 09:05.47 | Shirik | I don't know what the time difference is |
| 09:08.51 | zenzio | most of the year, barring the period when DSTs are out of synch, east coast is six hours behind western Europe, west coast is nine hours behind |
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| 09:14.10 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 09:14.12 | Shirik | he knows me so well |
| 09:14.16 | Shirik | I replied, he replied back |
| 09:14.18 | Shirik | "You wouldn't be Matt if you wouldn't be awake at this time of the night - I guess you're playing, right? =)" |
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| 09:28.57 | electronicmaji | Shirik |
| 09:41.08 | mitch0 | didum |
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| 09:46.58 | Adys | nevcairiel: is there a way to get bartender to share bindings with normal action bars? |
| 09:47.11 | Adys | i like to be able to disable bartender if i need to |
| 09:52.19 | electronicmaji | im so horny right now |
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| 09:52.35 | electronicmaji | use dominos adys |
| 09:52.59 | Frisker | Adys i don't think the bartender bindings are shared with the default keybindings ui |
| 09:53.06 | Adys | they used to be |
| 09:53.29 | Adys | Ugh i need to find the acehook git repo |
| 09:53.35 | Adys | and google is unhelpful :( |
| 09:53.41 | Arrowmaster | what git repo? |
| 09:53.44 | Torhal | ...? |
| 09:53.47 | Torhal | It's SVN |
| 09:53.58 | jnwhiteh | Adys: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/repositories/mainline/ |
| 09:54.05 | Adys | oh |
| 09:54.07 | Adys | dammit. |
| 09:54.19 | Frisker | i meant like can't you set the bartender keybinding and then go into the wow keybindings and set the same keybind? |
| 09:54.19 | jnwhiteh | acehook is part of the ace3 core |
| 09:54.34 | Arrowmaster | and if you bind the keys to the default ui buttons they should work in bartender |
| 09:55.25 | Frisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 09:55.30 | Frisker | getting a motorola? |
| 09:55.34 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:55.40 | Frisker | :< |
| 09:55.50 | Frisker | The Astrix 4G is almost what the Nexus S should've been |
| 09:56.04 | Torhal | You're awfully frisky, Frisker. |
| 09:57.01 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: sioraiocht loves his Nexus S |
| 09:57.07 | jnwhiteh | misses the notification LED but that's about it |
| 09:57.44 | Frisker | i think it's a great phone too |
| 09:57.52 | Frisker | just not the phone nexus one was at the time :( |
| 09:58.34 | sioraiocht | Astrix still only runs Froyo =p |
| 09:59.04 | Frisker | just needs to be rooted ;_; |
| 09:59.28 | jnwhiteh | fastboot oem unlock |
| 09:59.30 | jnwhiteh | fastboot oem relock |
| 09:59.32 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:00.20 | Frisker | yeah |
| 10:00.36 | Frisker | i really wish google had made something like the astrix 4g :( |
| 10:06.23 | Frisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/microsoft-opposes-apples-app-store-trademark-claim-says-term/ |
| 10:06.26 | Frisker | YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH |
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| 10:07.23 | Adys | http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=2488 |
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| 10:20.34 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a druid or priest on PTR? |
| 10:21.03 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, please eplain previous comment |
| 10:21.39 | jnwhiteh | does anyone (is there a person here) who has either a druid or priest (classes in World of Warcraft) on the PTR (The World of Warcraft Public Test Realms) |
| 10:21.46 | airtonix | i'm a holy priest and therefore need things to be explained |
| 10:22.08 | airtonix | about your phone comment |
| 10:22.22 | jnwhiteh | what about it? |
| 10:22.31 | airtonix | what is it |
| 10:22.38 | jnwhiteh | what is what? |
| 10:22.56 | airtonix | Frisker, what is he talking about ? |
| 10:23.26 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, fastboot |
| 10:23.32 | jnwhiteh | its a command |
| 10:23.38 | jnwhiteh | that allows you to connect to the bootloader on an android phone |
| 10:23.56 | jnwhiteh | the oem unlock command will unlock the bootloader of the nexus one/s so you can flash custom boot images. |
| 10:23.56 | airtonix | through adb? |
| 10:24.01 | jnwhiteh | no, through fastboot |
| 10:24.08 | jnwhiteh | which is different than adb |
| 10:24.14 | jnwhiteh | on the nexus s you can relock the bootloader as well |
| 10:24.43 | airtonix | is it like heimdal? |
| 10:24.49 | airtonix | sounds like it is |
| 10:24.50 | jnwhiteh | I dont know what that is, so I can't say. |
| 10:28.39 | Frisker | heimdal is an asgard jnwhiteh |
| 10:28.59 | airtonix | so don't go all replicator on me |
| 10:32.53 | Frisker | do you know when the astrix 4g is coming out jnwhiteh ? |
| 10:33.34 | jnwhiteh | no, sadly I'm not a phone store |
| 10:33.44 | jnwhiteh | I lament this all the time |
| 10:35.58 | jnwhiteh | MY CHARACTER COPY HAS NOT HAPPENED |
| 10:36.09 | Frisker | you should be a phone store jnwhiteh |
| 10:36.18 | Frisker | because it'll probably be exclusive to US/UK for some time |
| 10:36.21 | airtonix | then we could have free phones |
| 10:36.31 | airtonix | \o? |
| 10:36.41 | Frisker | naw |
| 10:36.47 | airtonix | awww |
| 10:37.15 | jnwhiteh | WHAT? |
| 10:37.21 | jnwhiteh | the off-hand enchantment is being reduced to 40 int |
| 10:37.22 | jnwhiteh | bullshit |
| 10:41.02 | Frisker | :O |
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| 10:41.59 | Ixnorp | Should have seen that coming a mile away. Power Torrent/Heartsong MH +100 int OH is just massively better than any available staff enchant to the point that 346 MH+OH > 359 2H |
| 10:43.36 | Frisker | sounds fair Ixnorp |
| 10:44.54 | Ixnorp | yeah |
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| 10:51.13 | jnwhiteh | I need an addon that gives me a timer for clearcasting above the animation for it |
| 10:51.17 | jnwhiteh | anyone? |
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| 10:57.37 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: timer? |
| 10:57.42 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:57.45 | jnwhiteh | so i know how long i have left |
| 10:57.46 | cbreak_work | I use raven for buff/cooldown display |
| 10:57.49 | cbreak_work | it's very customizable |
| 10:57.52 | cbreak_work | I bet you can make it do that |
| 10:57.53 | jnwhiteh | i always know when its up, which is nice |
| 10:57.54 | airtonix | i just use email |
| 10:58.05 | jnwhiteh | i just want something that only does that =) |
| 10:58.08 | cbreak_work | email seems a bit high latency |
| 10:58.10 | jnwhiteh | I should just write a small druid helper |
| 10:58.18 | jnwhiteh | tells me how many stacks of lifebloom i have up, and a clearcasting timer |
| 10:58.26 | airtonix | cbreak, i'm still getting notifications from 12mths ago |
| 10:58.44 | airtonix | "You have gained clearcasting" |
| 10:58.45 | cbreak_work | that's more than I thought |
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| 10:59.14 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 10:59.26 | airtonix | now i have to explain how i get data in realtime out of the game |
| 10:59.40 | airtonix | dipping bird on my /reloadui macro |
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| 11:17.59 | mikma | jnwhiteh: while at it, write the eclipse tracker telling which spell to cast when there's 0 charges |
| 11:18.11 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:18.14 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure that one already exists |
| 11:18.37 | mikma | usually when i pick the spell between the two, its incorrect =DD |
| 11:18.57 | mikma | and no, no buff up.. lol |
| 11:19.39 | mikma | i guess its just watching which eclipse was on last time |
| 11:20.20 | jnwhiteh | you can always cancel the eclipse buff |
| 11:20.23 | jnwhiteh | and then you get to choose |
| 11:20.28 | jnwhiteh | and get the mana back quicker too |
| 11:20.35 | Frisker | exploiter |
| 11:20.43 | mikma | you cant after you login / die |
| 11:20.55 | Frisker | i'm gonna tell on you so blizzard nerfs that too |
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| 11:44.17 | mikma | anyone seen new family guy? |
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| 11:55.51 | Frisker | if you can call it new mikma |
| 11:56.38 | karl_w_w | definitely better than old mikma |
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| 12:01.00 | Frisker | startkeylogger |
| 12:01.04 | Frisker | tee hee |
| 12:03.47 | Frisker | sup Alram |
| 12:04.33 | Alram | hi Fisker |
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| 12:06.24 | airtonix | hi frisker |
| 12:06.36 | zenzio | "lol, the message I'm writing this is a XP machine..and I bet is still the most used OS, hence Micro$oft 2 times increased the year when they will stop support it. Sorry Ray, your beloved Vista/7 still suxx...oh, sorry, lemme rephrase that..Vista/7 suxx more then XP, which after 3 patches started to suck less. When you'll sweat 3 patches on 7 then I'll agree with you on "old" word above." |
| 12:06.48 | zenzio | when you're clearly such a fan of Windows, why are you reading a blog about it? |
| 12:07.05 | A-KO | sigh |
| 12:07.06 | A-KO | idiots |
| 12:07.31 | airtonix | i like the english grammar |
| 12:07.32 | A-KO | Some people just don't have that deep of experience with the OS' to truly appreciate the changes between the systems. |
| 12:08.00 | A-KO | but Vista and 7 are so infinitely better than XP it's no contest |
| 12:08.01 | Frisker | XP is mostly still in use in business |
| 12:08.08 | A-KO | we've been dropping XP for 7 at wor |
| 12:08.10 | A-KO | k |
| 12:08.15 | Frisker | kinda similar to how windows 9x was still in use when xp just came out :P |
| 12:08.26 | airtonix | 7 is a steaming pile of shit |
| 12:08.27 | A-KO | yeah it took a long time for companies to move to XP |
| 12:08.31 | Frisker | 7 is awesome |
| 12:08.39 | karl_w_w | airtonix |
| 12:08.44 | Frisker | karl_w_w |
| 12:08.47 | airtonix | no |
| 12:08.48 | Kalroth | Windows 7 is the best 64-bit system, Windows XP is still the best 32-bit system |
| 12:08.54 | airtonix | ^ |
| 12:09.10 | karl_w_w | windows xp is the best nothing nothing |
| 12:09.18 | Kalroth | So if you're stuck with 4GB or less memory, then Windows XP is good. |
| 12:09.20 | A-KO | airtonix: I adminster hundreds of Windows machines, have to deal with everything from 2000 to XP to Vista to 7 on a regular basis, often times at the same time. RDP'd into 2K, 2K3, and 2K8 machines. I write scripting solutions that operate across all of them in that date range. And let me tell you, having to support 2000 and even 2003 at this point is a right pain in the ass. |
| 12:09.39 | airtonix | i don't care |
| 12:09.47 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 12:09.47 | A-KO | even doing anything on 2000 or 2003 compared to 2008 at the server layer is a pain in the ass, the same goes for XP |
| 12:09.51 | airtonix | 7 makes me rage |
| 12:10.04 | A-KO | XP's sysprep makes me rage |
| 12:10.05 | Kalroth | I have less issues with Windows 7 than I had with Windows XP, heh |
| 12:10.06 | karl_w_w | L2windows then |
| 12:10.09 | airtonix | it still hasn't got native ssh server and client |
| 12:10.13 | Kalroth | I had* |
| 12:10.18 | A-KO | airtonix: why would it need it? |
| 12:10.21 | mckenziemc | nor does xp |
| 12:10.23 | Kalroth | native... ? |
| 12:10.24 | A-KO | RDP is fully encrypted |
| 12:10.33 | airtonix | why would i need a full desktop ? |
| 12:10.39 | haste | pretending microsoft is ke$ha is so 1990 |
| 12:10.41 | A-KO | lrn2 WinRM |
| 12:11.00 | Kalroth | Why the hell is it hard to download a SSH server or client? Why should that be required in an OS? :) |
| 12:11.04 | Computerpunk | <Kalroth> Windows 7 is the best 64-bit system, Windows XP is still the best 32-bit system |
| 12:11.05 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 12:11.21 | Kalroth | Linux suckkzz, there's no Windows Media Player 11 included!! |
| 12:11.27 | A-KO | There's really not much you can't do with powershell that you can do with SSH on linux machines. |
| 12:11.30 | Computerpunk | Kaelten, linux rapes. |
| 12:11.40 | Computerpunk | Funky how I have a laptop with Linux and a PC with Windows. |
| 12:11.45 | Computerpunk | Should be the other way around. XD |
| 12:11.48 | Kalroth | poor Kaelten, he just wants to idle |
| 12:11.50 | Kalroth | but nooo |
| 12:11.55 | airtonix | A-KO, i can't connect to ssh server with powershell last time i checked |
| 12:12.05 | Computerpunk | Fisker |
| 12:12.21 | Kalroth | I can't connect to ssh server with bash last time i checked |
| 12:12.34 | airtonix | must be doing something wrong then |
| 12:12.37 | karl_w_w | i cant connect to ssh server with my wow client, wow sucks |
| 12:12.46 | A-KO | SSH is a *nix function, it's not needed in Windows. |
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| 12:12.53 | A-KO | it has no real use on Windows |
| 12:13.02 | airtonix | except for remote terminal to unix machine |
| 12:13.09 | Arrowmaster | only because windows idea of a remote terminal is fucking RDP |
| 12:13.16 | Kalroth | yes, you install the -extra- software then, airtonix |
| 12:13.19 | A-KO | RDP works well enough. |
| 12:13.20 | Kalroth | stop being so Fisker! |
| 12:13.28 | Arrowmaster | gui on a server is fucking retarded though |
| 12:13.28 | airtonix | oh and no native sshfuse in windows either |
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| 12:13.37 | Kalroth | There's fuckall reason for SSH to be a native program on Windows |
| 12:14.00 | Arrowmaster | windows has telnet by default |
| 12:14.02 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Everything can be done with powershell/WinRM if needed, including installing/managing/changing/removing Windows server features, pulling event log data, and otherwise managing the system. |
| 12:14.10 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: not any more |
| 12:14.32 | Arrowmaster | its still an option you can install, as a binary from microsoft |
| 12:14.38 | karl_w_w | I think airtonix is the sort of person that wants an OS to do exactly everything he wants it to do, but if it does too much he'll complain about that too |
| 12:14.49 | airtonix | why is that wrong? |
| 12:14.50 | Kalroth | sure, airtonix is whining about native/standard software :) |
| 12:14.53 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: In time powershell will be native in Windows |
| 12:15.08 | A-KO | I suspect Windows 8 might do away with the "dos shell" entirely |
| 12:15.15 | Kalroth | Also telnet needs to die a fast death |
| 12:15.16 | A-KO | everything will be powershell |
| 12:15.23 | Kalroth | noone sane would use it for anything serious |
| 12:15.25 | A-KO | Kalroth: it already has, it's not installed by default since Vista |
| 12:15.33 | A-KO | and I use telnet to test port availiability |
| 12:15.42 | A-KO | "Can I reach this webservice?" *telnet server 80" |
| 12:15.49 | Kalroth | Yes, it is optional |
| 12:15.51 | airtonix | only becuase you don't have ssh |
| 12:16.07 | Arrowmaster | my problem with powershell is that its a new shell and seems to be nothing like common linux shells that admins are familiar with |
| 12:16.13 | karl_w_w | you mean want, don't want ssh |
| 12:16.19 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Why would it be anything like linux shells? |
| 12:16.35 | A-KO | To assume that Windows needs to be like Linux is a bit of a stretch, isn't it? |
| 12:16.42 | Arrowmaster | because its an established standard |
| 12:16.44 | airtonix | no |
| 12:16.50 | Arrowmaster | or baseline |
| 12:17.19 | A-KO | I don't have any problems, and like I said, I do all of it all day long and move freely between the OS', rarely being tripped up, most of the time going "damn I wish I could get rid of this outdated crap".... |
| 12:17.34 | A-KO | including some linux boxes that I've been dumped with at work because nobody else knows linux there......... |
| 12:17.35 | airtonix | what makes it outdated? |
| 12:17.49 | airtonix | the marketing people ? |
| 12:17.54 | airtonix | hoho |
| 12:18.00 | A-KO | airtonix: Windows 2000 doesn't have the Group Policy Management Console, which has been a standard for GPO management since 2004 or so. |
| 12:18.12 | Arrowmaster | you arent going to get many of us linux admins learning powershell because we want to even if it could be useful on our jobs |
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| 12:18.40 | Toriad | Hello Everyone, Anyone know some good materials for learning how to make a GUI via lua? |
| 12:18.42 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: I've learned powershell, I know a little bit of bash, I also still do a lot of work in VBS since I need scripts that work across all versions of Windows. |
| 12:18.45 | airtonix | does powershell let you create encrypted tunnels ? |
| 12:18.47 | karl_w_w | you know what i want windows to do? i want my mouse scroll wheel to scroll the window im hovering over instead of the window that has focus. if windows 7 did that it'd do everything I want it to |
| 12:19.09 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: is there a tweakui for 7? |
| 12:19.12 | airtonix | karl_w_w, katmouse |
| 12:19.28 | Toriad | Arrowmaster Object Desktop by Stardock? |
| 12:19.43 | Arrowmaster | you could download a tool from MS for xp that one of the many options you could tweak was that feature |
| 12:19.46 | Arrowmaster | Toriad: no |
| 12:19.55 | A-KO | oh, not to mention, WMI exposure to various system aspects that aren't available pre-Vista, for example, checking fragmentation levels via WMI, etc. |
| 12:20.07 | A-KO | sysprep is god awfully terrible on anything pre-Vista/7, same with imaging/deployment |
| 12:20.18 | A-KO | though Windows 7 doesn't have it quite 100% right yet |
| 12:20.25 | airtonix | sysrep is a symptom of fail |
| 12:20.35 | A-KO | but MS' tools for deployment are in a state where you can use them now |
| 12:20.36 | airtonix | don't have to sysprep linux images |
| 12:20.39 | airtonix | hoho |
| 12:20.46 | Toriad | Regardless ;p Anyone happen to have an answer ;p? |
| 12:20.49 | airtonix | no |
| 12:20.57 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: can you use powershell to interact with other computers in a domain? |
| 12:21.06 | Toriad | :( Why you say things you know will hurt me |
| 12:21.08 | A-KO | airtonix: you don't have to, but the functionality would be nice. To be honest, most of it is just cleaning out stuff like cache/event logs/temp files more than it's about something *required*. |
| 12:21.09 | A-KO | yes Arrowmaster |
| 12:21.10 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, apparently yes |
| 12:21.20 | airtonix | A-KO, no |
| 12:21.58 | karl_w_w | why can't I use powershell to make toast? :( |
| 12:22.03 | airtonix | the fundamental purpose of sysprep is to cater for the windows licensing shite |
| 12:22.03 | A-KO | airtonix: feel free to check out the list of sysprep providers, most of them are there for cleaning up logs and temp files more than anything. SID generation is pointless except on domain controllers, but I would imagine they're so few and far between that you can just set up a new box for that anyway. |
| 12:22.15 | A-KO | not really |
| 12:22.18 | airtonix | yes really |
| 12:22.19 | Toriad | karl_w_w M$ is against Toast and its entirerty |
| 12:22.32 | A-KO | airtonix: sysprep has little to do with licensing |
| 12:22.38 | airtonix | oh but your wrong |
| 12:22.42 | A-KO | not really |
| 12:22.45 | airtonix | oh yes |
| 12:23.02 | airtonix | now, a word from our sponsors |
| 12:23.04 | karl_w_w | to answer your question Toriad: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/ |
| 12:23.21 | Toriad | I've heard that AceGUI isn't very good for Nice looking UI |
| 12:23.24 | Toriad | like a Inventory UI |
| 12:23.28 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: not what he asked for |
| 12:23.38 | Arrowmaster | AceGUI IS NOT FOR BEGINNERS! |
| 12:23.39 | Toriad | Yeah but its a step inthe right direction ;p |
| 12:23.47 | Toriad | <--- is newbie |
| 12:23.48 | A-KO | It goes to show just how little you know about it airtonix, and that's a bit disheartening. If you actually knew what you were talking about, I'd be taking your opinions very differently. |
| 12:23.49 | karl_w_w | copy another addon? :P |
| 12:23.50 | A-KO | But sadly, you do not. |
| 12:23.51 | Toriad | I know lua :( thats it |
| 12:23.59 | Arrowmaster | Toriad: stay away from AceGUI then |
| 12:24.06 | Toriad | :( sad days |
| 12:24.27 | Toriad | This is why I LOVE console applications ;p |
| 12:24.36 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 12:27.56 | Toriad | Is adding text to tooltips an advanced thing? |
| 12:28.18 | airtonix | yes |
| 12:28.33 | Toriad | fml, Why is all the useful UI stuff Advanced :( |
| 12:29.01 | airtonix | because it's more than print('hello world") |
| 12:29.06 | Toriad | >.> |
| 12:29.10 | Toriad | Im not a tard ;p |
| 12:29.16 | Toriad | I do know Lua I jus dont get their whole api |
| 12:29.17 | Toriad | :( |
| 12:29.18 | Toriad | the bastards |
| 12:29.27 | airtonix | whose api? |
| 12:29.32 | Toriad | Blizzard |
| 12:29.35 | Arrowmaster | adding text to tooltips isnt that advanced |
| 12:29.46 | Toriad | glares at airtonix |
| 12:30.19 | airtonix | pokerface |
| 12:30.46 | mckenziemc | pokes airtonix in the face |
| 12:31.02 | airtonix | i love you |
| 12:31.12 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 12:31.17 | Toriad | <.< |
| 12:31.22 | Toriad | I'd be afraid |
| 12:32.03 | Adys | Shirik: CreateFrame("test") crashes the game |
| 12:32.03 | Adys | :( |
| 12:32.14 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 12:32.22 | Toriad | I know ;p |
| 12:32.24 | Toriad | I tried that |
| 12:33.11 | mckenziemc | CreateFrame("Frame", "MyTestFrame", UIParent) |
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| 12:38.31 | Toriad | So what all you fools up to |
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| 12:39.39 | Adys | !api slider |
| 12:39.39 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'slider'. Please be more specific |
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| 12:50.45 | jnwhiteh | Adys: known issue |
| 12:50.53 | Adys | meh |
| 12:51.05 | Adys | is it a new issue with 4.x? |
| 12:51.30 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:51.37 | jnwhiteh | the xml subsystem was rewritten in 4.x |
| 12:51.47 | Adys | more like deleted |
| 12:51.51 | Adys | should have been anyway =( |
| 12:51.56 | jnwhiteh | .. no |
| 12:51.58 | jnwhiteh | you're wrong |
| 12:52.05 | Adys | i like being wrong |
| 12:52.10 | Adys | theres nothing wrong with being wrong |
| 12:52.13 | jnwhiteh | and it wasn't just the xml system, it was the entire widget system that's related to it |
| 12:52.15 | Adys | which means, I'm right |
| 12:52.24 | jnwhiteh | fail |
| 12:53.02 | Toriad | adys it could be worse |
| 12:53.10 | Toriad | You could know nothing about the Widget system to begin with ; |
| 12:54.02 | Adys | i wish i didnt |
| 12:54.08 | Adys | sometimes, anyway |
| 12:54.08 | amro | jnwhiteh: what was changed about it? |
| 12:54.13 | Toriad | I'll trade you ;p |
| 12:54.13 | jnwhiteh | amro: quite a bit |
| 12:54.24 | jnwhiteh | all behind the scenes |
| 12:54.30 | amro | ah that's what i was wondering |
| 12:54.34 | jnwhiteh | we've found quite a few bugs as a result |
| 12:54.39 | jnwhiteh | yeah nothing on the frontend |
| 12:54.49 | Adys | only visible change was the removal of implicit this |
| 12:54.51 | Adys | afaik |
| 12:54.57 | Adys | (or was that wlk?) |
| 12:55.10 | jnwhiteh | that wasn't related to that at all |
| 12:55.23 | Toriad | So Adys ;p How much do you cost for doing UI work |
| 12:55.24 | jnwhiteh | in the least, actually =) |
| 12:55.33 | Adys | Toriad: ten bucks |
| 12:55.36 | Adys | a minute, of course |
| 12:55.40 | Toriad | >.. |
| 12:55.46 | Toriad | so 60$ a hour? |
| 12:55.56 | jnwhiteh | hg pull && hg update && ./all.bash |
| 12:56.03 | jnwhiteh | try 600 an hour |
| 12:56.10 | Toriad | good point |
| 12:56.11 | Toriad | >. |
| 12:56.13 | Toriad | my math sux |
| 12:56.20 | Toriad | I can do 30$ a hour ;p |
| 12:56.21 | Toriad | does that count |
| 12:56.34 | Adys | Toriad: for 30$ an hour ill make sure whatever you ask me lasts less than 2 months of full time |
| 12:56.51 | Adys | i'm nice like that |
| 12:56.55 | Toriad | :) |
| 12:57.00 | Maldivia | 30$/hour... cheap... |
| 12:57.07 | Adys | oi Maldivia |
| 12:57.07 | Toriad | ;p |
| 12:57.12 | Adys | where were you when I needed you |
| 12:57.12 | Toriad | We aint all made of moeney |
| 12:57.14 | airtonix | his dancing rates are better |
| 12:57.23 | jnwhiteh | I am made of mostly water |
| 12:57.24 | Maldivia | but then again, it's Adys, we all know he's cheap :P |
| 12:57.27 | jnwhiteh | but I think there might be some money in here |
| 12:57.30 | Adys | airtonix: for 5 bucks ill let you sit on my lap |
| 12:57.46 | Computerpunk | ~api sendchatmessage |
| 12:57.46 | purl | !api sendchatmessage |
| 12:57.47 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 12:58.01 | Toriad | But really though ;p No one would do some ui stuff for me for 30$ an hour |
| 12:58.03 | airtonix | you're a fat man wit ha beard aren't you :( |
| 12:58.08 | amro | that was a weird indirection |
| 12:59.20 | Adys | Toriad: most of us are not comfortable taking money for UI work |
| 12:59.25 | Toriad | Oh :( |
| 12:59.27 | airtonix | i think it would be goog to sleep |
| 12:59.39 | Toriad | But whats the point of having a marketable skill if you aint going to market it ;p |
| 12:59.46 | amro | we sell ass, but selling code is taboo |
| 12:59.49 | airtonix | Torhal, or offers of work |
| 12:59.51 | amro | something like that. |
| 13:00.00 | amro | leave torhal out of this! |
| 13:00.09 | airtonix | i mean |
| 13:00.15 | airtonix | curse you and your similar names |
| 13:00.26 | amro | you just fail at tab completion |
| 13:00.31 | Toriad | lol |
| 13:01.22 | airtonix | <insert sufficiently refreshing and grammatically correct slander here/> |
| 13:02.04 | airtonix | amro, i built that tag just for you darling |
| 13:02.33 | amro | DTD or it didn't happen |
| 13:03.22 | airtonix | when you're steve balmer, you don't need DTD |
| 13:03.29 | airtonix | the cocaines enough |
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| 13:06.56 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you have EU ptr installed? |
| 13:07.02 | jnwhiteh | yeppers |
| 13:07.35 | jnwhiteh | need someone to test moonfire/sunfire |
| 13:07.38 | Maldivia | can you tell me the patchlist info from data/engb/realmlist.wtf ? |
| 13:07.52 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:07.54 | jnwhiteh | its not eu ptr |
| 13:07.55 | jnwhiteh | its us ptr |
| 13:07.56 | jnwhiteh | sorry |
| 13:08.04 | Maldivia | ahh, ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 13:08.07 | jnwhiteh | forgot that i use us client |
| 13:08.13 | jnwhiteh | cause of issues with alpha |
| 13:09.40 | Maldivia | what to test about moon/sun fire? |
| 13:09.51 | jnwhiteh | put /cast moonfire in a macro |
| 13:09.56 | jnwhiteh | get lunar eclipse, use macro |
| 13:10.01 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 13:10.04 | jnwhiteh | same with priest chakra words |
| 13:10.15 | Maldivia | they said they would fix that, didn't they? |
| 13:10.37 | Maldivia | (and I hate spells that change name based on aura) |
| 13:15.16 | Maldivia | anyone else with eu ptr installaed, that can tell med the patchlist info from data/engb/realmlist.wtf ? |
| 13:16.48 | haste | can't test until I'm home |
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| 13:23.01 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy! Morning! |
| 13:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | Snow day! /dance |
| 13:23.13 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-bear! |
| 13:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | Wanna work from home with me? |
| 13:23.43 | |Jelly| | I wish |
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| 13:24.16 | Frisker | Science be damned |
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| 13:26.46 | karl_w_w | who needs science anyway |
| 13:27.40 | Frisker | i want to have sex with you karl_w_w |
| 13:31.48 | mckenziemc | Frisker |
| 13:31.52 | mckenziemc | why the r? |
| 13:32.00 | mckenziemc | the extra* |
| 13:32.36 | Frisker | i can't be ReiserFS |
| 13:32.41 | Frisker | that would just confuse people |
| 13:32.46 | Frisker | especially since i didn't kill my wife |
| 13:32.57 | mckenziemc | reformats Fisker |
| 13:33.58 | mckenziemc | oh i see you have Fisker in use still |
| 13:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | I think he's just applying for an FAA job. |
| 13:36.34 | Frisker | FAA? |
| 13:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | Frisking people at airports. |
| 13:37.10 | Frisker | oh |
| 13:37.23 | Frisker | i was hoping for something else than frisking and with asian people |
| 13:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | You have to create that business yourself, dear. |
| 13:42.11 | Cairenn | radio |
| 13:42.24 | Lopeppeppy | video |
| 13:42.30 | Cairenn | (he's being slow this morning!) |
| 13:43.16 | Frisker | internet |
| 13:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | it's the snow. |
| 13:44.43 | Frisker | oh nos |
| 13:44.47 | Frisker | work is almost over |
| 13:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh help. You will go home and leave me all alone to focus on my own projects! |
| 13:47.05 | Frisker | doesn't take long to get home anyway |
| 13:47.14 | Frisker | speaking of which |
| 13:47.28 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: gigglebread runs well on my phone |
| 13:48.13 | Lopeppeppy | Why did I think that honeycomb was coming out soon? Gingerbread confuses me. |
| 13:48.32 | jnwhiteh | honeycomb is tablet only |
| 13:48.38 | jnwhiteh | gingerbread is 2.3 |
| 13:48.41 | jnwhiteh | icecream will be 2.4 |
| 13:48.47 | jnwhiteh | gingerbread is out on the nexus s right now |
| 13:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ah ha! Thanks, jnwhiteh. My sweet tooth is organized once again. |
| 13:49.16 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | (and you're helping me retain my Geek Girlfriend 2.0 credentials, which is priceless) |
| 13:49.57 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 14:05.43 | sylvanaar_work | do any raid addons have latency checks built in? |
| 14:08.06 | Thrae | The Ghostcrawler Blog thingie in the launcher is adorable. |
| 14:08.13 | Thrae | Also the blog is cool info. |
| 14:08.15 | sylvanaar_work | what a wall of text |
| 14:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ghostcrawler rocks. |
| 14:08.29 | foxlit | their graphics design team rocks |
| 14:09.20 | Thrae | Ghostcrawler is such a recognizable name he should be put in the game, like Captain Placeholder |
| 14:09.22 | foxlit | "do any raid addons have latency checks built in?" << who runs raid addons anyway? |
| 14:09.30 | Thrae | Captain Placeholder should fight Ghostcrawler! |
| 14:09.32 | foxlit | He's in the game. |
| 14:09.46 | sylvanaar_work | foxlit: plenty of people use dbm for example |
| 14:09.53 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=50051 , enjoy |
| 14:10.48 | Thrae | foxlit: Haha yeah I looked it up myself |
| 14:12.02 | Thrae | Hehe, Nerfbat -- http://www.wowhead.com/spell=93082 |
| 14:12.07 | Thrae | Gotta love Blizzard. |
| 14:13.09 | Thrae | Good thing the Ghostcrawler mob doesn't have http://www.wowhead.com/spell=51663/slap-in-the-face |
| 14:14.14 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/item=68055 << hunter tears are also in the game |
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| 14:19.54 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw39193.png << dewdrop is adorable. |
| 14:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sure... |
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| 14:29.30 | jnwhiteh | *shudder* |
| 14:30.09 | Wobin | The roos are safe! http://i.imgur.com/yzMLi.jpg |
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| 14:34.35 | Fisker | what phone jnwhiteh ? |
| 14:34.51 | jnwhiteh | n1 |
| 14:35.08 | Lopeppeppy | The roos are safe. *nod* |
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| 14:37.30 | Fisker | aww jnwhiteh |
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| 14:40.05 | Fisker | cunts |
| 14:42.52 | Cairenn | Fisker: you just used one of the very few words that I absolutely will not tolerate. Please don't use it again. |
| 14:43.50 | mckenziemc | o.O |
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| 14:45.24 | Cairenn | the rest of them are bigotries |
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| 14:50.08 | Thunder_Child | thats not true Cairenn |
| 14:51.12 | mckenziemc | foxlit: the arrows in those menus make my head hurt : / |
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| 15:05.55 | sylvanaar_work | anyone have brighthouse or twc, with major latency issues lately? |
| 15:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | I have TWC, today they have been crawl-tastic. |
| 15:06.27 | sylvanaar_work | do you have 1000+ during raids and frequent dc's |
| 15:07.28 | sylvanaar_work | i started using a vpn last night, and it appeared to make the game playable for me again...I want to know if it works for anyone else |
| 15:08.02 | sylvanaar_work | it seemed to get me around whatever was dropping packets on the routing I had from twc |
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| 15:11.21 | Lopeppeppy | I don't do raiding, sorry sylvanaar_work. |
| 15:11.28 | sylvanaar_work | oh |
| 15:11.57 | Lopeppeppy | This is home-use latency, which tells me that TWC really really sucks, if I can't browse cnn.com without issues. |
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| 15:12.57 | Adys | jnwhiteh: any idea where the slider textures are stored? |
| 15:13.06 | jnwhiteh | look at UIPanelTemplates |
| 15:13.08 | jnwhiteh | see what they use |
| 15:13.09 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:13.22 | Adys | the textures are hardcoded in c |
| 15:13.25 | Adys | apparently |
| 15:13.30 | Adys | so i cant figure it out from the lua |
| 15:13.42 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 15:13.44 | jnwhiteh | the knob texture? |
| 15:13.47 | Adys | yes |
| 15:13.50 | Adys | and the background thing |
| 15:14.02 | jnwhiteh | i'm confused |
| 15:14.11 | Adys | the knob yes |
| 15:14.45 | jnwhiteh | Interface\Buttons\UI-SliderBar-Background" |
| 15:14.52 | jnwhiteh | Interface\Buttons\UI-SliderBar-Button-Horizontal |
| 15:14.55 | jnwhiteh | not in C at all |
| 15:14.57 | jnwhiteh | its just as I said it was |
| 15:15.46 | jnwhiteh | =0 |
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| 15:16.52 | jnwhiteh | those were in OptionsPanelTemplate.xml |
| 15:17.01 | jnwhiteh | sliders are completely textureless by default |
| 15:21.38 | Adys | hm ok |
| 15:21.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 15:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | I can't help it, I was just drawn this way. |
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| 16:08.44 | `-FISKER_Q | i'm copying jnwhiteh |
| 16:12.21 | cog|work | `-FISKER_Q: would you marry a girl clone of yourself? |
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| 16:48.29 | foxlit | noooooooooooo.... |
| 16:48.36 | jnwhiteh | yessssssssssss |
| 16:48.50 | foxlit | City of Light still takes an eternity :( |
| 16:49.32 | jnwhiteh | hrm, my characters aren't copied over |
| 16:49.37 | jnwhiteh | I wonder if they went on the right wow account |
| 16:49.38 | foxlit | and the elemental pathing is just absurd |
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| 16:49.48 | jnwhiteh | one has both US and EU servers listed, the other has none listed |
| 16:53.54 | jnwhiteh | anyone here have a druid or priest on PTR? |
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| 16:56.00 | Kraps | genius http://xkcd.com/846/ |
| 16:57.44 | jnwhiteh | my most typed command on my machine is !ruby |
| 16:57.45 | jnwhiteh | by far. |
| 16:57.47 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 16:58.03 | jnwhiteh | and I dont even use ruby |
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| 17:07.59 | `-FISKER_Q | i'm almost done jnwhiteh :< |
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| 17:15.37 | cog|work | ~weather ksts |
| 17:15.42 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: any chance of getting TTLite to hide when in a raid? |
| 17:20.25 | Kraps | ~weather jfk |
| 17:21.35 | Kraps | ~weather kjfk |
| 17:22.00 | sylvanaar_work | ~weather iah |
| 17:22.07 | sylvanaar_work | ~weather kiah |
| 17:22.40 | sylvanaar_work | ~weather krdu |
| 17:23.29 | sylvanaar_work | ~weather kyyz |
| 17:23.52 | sylvanaar_work | fine |
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| 17:24.04 | sylvanaar_work | noaa doesnt like toronto |
| 17:24.39 | sylvanaar_work | i want to know why toronto's airport code is YYZ anyways |
| 17:24.46 | sylvanaar_work | who the hell came up with that |
| 17:25.05 | sylvanaar_work | canadians.... |
| 17:25.32 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 17:25.35 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 17:25.54 | Kraps | how do i get rid of blizzards raidframes? |
| 17:26.05 | Fisker | by hiding them |
| 17:26.35 | Kraps | the silver outline is still there |
| 17:26.45 | Fisker | your computer sucks then |
| 17:26.52 | nevcairiel | just click the big honking hide button on the control panel |
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| 17:27.37 | Fisker | someone is destroying my computer |
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| 17:33.16 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: possibly |
| 17:33.21 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: i'll have to think about it |
| 17:34.00 | Fisker | looks at jnwhiteh |
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| 17:34.55 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: ok, thanks! |
| 17:35.02 | jnwhiteh | maybe macro conditionals |
| 17:35.13 | jnwhiteh | that you can say when its hiden =) |
| 17:35.41 | Kraps | nevcairiel: clicking hide still shows the gray frame that was around the boxes |
| 17:35.56 | nevcairiel | only for you |
| 17:36.19 | Fisker | yeah as i said |
| 17:36.21 | Fisker | shitty computer |
| 17:36.32 | Kraps | meaning you dont have that problem? |
| 17:36.55 | Kraps | oh hey! |
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| 17:37.23 | Kraps | unlock! |
| 17:37.37 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.58 | Kraps | lock rather |
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| 17:50.29 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker | my stomach is making growling noises |
| 17:54.21 | kd3 | well go make a sammich or something |
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| 17:58.51 | Kraps | dont you know that you're toxic |
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| 18:12.12 | syrae | hullo, folksen |
| 18:12.53 | amro | hullo |
| 18:15.57 | Fisker | amromen |
| 18:16.43 | Kraps | hmm, reader topics on wowinsider are much better that staff articles, and are much worse on kotaku http://kotaku.com/5731810/was-modern-warfare-2-an-act-of-sabotage |
| 18:23.13 | sylvanaar_work | just got my G9x, looks like a winner |
| 18:25.09 | Cide | g9x is great |
| 18:25.36 | Kraps | Shirik: holy sucks apparently http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1869218484?page=2#29 |
| 18:27.17 | Cide | lawl |
| 18:27.22 | Cide | holy priests are amazing atm |
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| 18:32.56 | Valdarix | super noobish question. Can someone point me in the direction to find some stuff on the basics like outputting a message to the chat window |
| 18:35.27 | Cide | just because I'm nice |
| 18:35.31 | Cide | print() |
| 18:35.40 | nevcairiel | you are not nice |
| 18:35.43 | Cide | I am |
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| 18:37.25 | Valdarix | and here I am digging for something complex in the API. Thanks |
| 18:38.59 | Cide | see |
| 18:39.05 | Cide | why would someone thank someone who is not nice? |
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| 18:41.57 | nevcairiel | its called sarcasm |
| 18:43.55 | Cide | I'll stab you |
| 18:44.06 | Cide | hey |
| 18:44.19 | Cide | is it intended for suf to display buffs with a red border on enemies? |
| 18:44.34 | Cide | or did I mess something up with my modification |
| 18:45.01 | nevcairiel | i think its supposed to do that |
| 18:45.14 | nevcairiel | i just patched it up, its shadoweds doing! |
| 18:45.21 | Cide | haha ok |
| 18:45.22 | Cide | thanks |
| 18:45.40 | Cide | he was like "I don't know! ask nev!" |
| 18:45.54 | Shadowed | wtf else would it be |
| 18:46.02 | Cide | unintended? |
| 18:46.03 | Cide | or white? |
| 18:46.04 | Shadowed | also I never said that |
| 18:46.11 | Shadowed | white is not nearly as threatening |
| 18:46.14 | Cide | you pretty much did :P |
| 18:46.37 | Shadowed | it's to draw attention to buffs on enemies |
| 18:46.38 | Shadowed | or something |
| 18:46.46 | Cide | well non-dispellable debuffs are also red border |
| 18:46.48 | Cide | so I was confused |
| 18:46.55 | Shadowed | I wrote that code like |
| 18:46.56 | Shadowed | a year ago |
| 18:47.00 | Shadowed | I probably had a good reason and forgot :P |
| 18:47.14 | Cide | see |
| 18:47.18 | Cide | you always go "who knows?!" |
| 18:47.35 | Cide | as long as I didn't mess anything up that's fine though |
| 18:48.23 | Shadowed | that's cause when people ask, they ask a year and a half after the fact in code I haven't touched in half a year :P |
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| 18:52.21 | Cide | Shadowed: well I just started using it so meh |
| 19:00.42 | Adys | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 19:00.49 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 242 messages. Is idling for 12m 37s, last said: 'he is teh not caring'. |
| 19:00.49 | Cide | fail |
| 19:00.56 | Adys | nevcairiel: >:( |
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| 19:10.08 | cog|work | HAI GUIS my ui uses like 7 mb of RRAMS How Do i FIx? |
| 19:11.00 | nevcairiel | Adys: wazzup |
| 19:11.10 | Adys | nevcairiel: git head of bartender bugged? |
| 19:11.17 | nevcairiel | not to my knowledge |
| 19:11.22 | nevcairiel | i'm using it! |
| 19:11.22 | Adys | Message: Interface\AddOns\Bartender4\Bartender4.lua:37: attempt to call method 'SetupOptions' (a nil value) |
| 19:11.40 | nevcairiel | that means something else failed before |
| 19:12.26 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/1188933 this is my diff |
| 19:12.32 | Adys | from head |
| 19:13.18 | nevcairiel | there must be another error somewhere |
| 19:13.21 | nevcairiel | possibly at load time |
| 19:13.25 | nevcairiel | check framexml.log :P |
| 19:13.33 | Adys | sec |
| 19:14.11 | nevcairiel | i would suspect you dont have libactionbutton |
| 19:14.27 | Adys | 1/12 19:13:05.960 Error loading Interface\AddOns\Bartender4\libs\LibActionButton-1.0\LibActionButton-1.0.lua |
| 19:14.41 | nevcairiel | well the git doesnt come with embedded libs |
| 19:14.53 | Adys | ah yea i see |
| 19:14.56 | Adys | not using git submodules? |
| 19:15.07 | nevcairiel | nah, nothing really supports them well :p |
| 19:15.12 | Adys | lol |
| 19:15.37 | nevcairiel | I mean even in git itself, you basically have to know that there is one, and manually initialize them |
| 19:15.45 | Adys | yea :( |
| 19:16.17 | durcyn | just hard embed everything, duh |
| 19:16.25 | nevcairiel | git://git.wowace.com/wow/libactionbutton-1-0/mainline.git |
| 19:16.27 | nevcairiel | anyhow ^ |
| 19:16.34 | Adys | much manlove to you |
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| 19:18.47 | Primer | http://fukung.net/v/33136/066f41c15cd5fabd80c3132aaea9553f.jpg <-- For some reason I found that very funny |
| 19:20.02 | Adys | 1/12 19:18:48.670 error in error handling |
| 19:21.06 | Maldivia | nicely handled....? |
| 19:22.23 | olafski | lol primer :D |
| 19:24.35 | Adys | nevcairiel: more manlove to you if you give me LibDBIcon-1.0 and LibWindow.1-1 git urls too =P |
| 19:24.41 | Adys | or some place on wowace i can search them |
| 19:25.15 | durcyn | paths should be in the bartender .pkgmeta |
| 19:25.21 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 19:25.26 | Adys | oo |
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| 19:27.21 | Shirik | omg Cide |
| 19:27.23 | Shirik | dude |
| 19:27.36 | Shirik | Raid last night went as awful as I expected it to, but that's not important |
| 19:27.39 | Shirik | what is important is mastery is the shit |
| 19:28.01 | Cide | it is |
| 19:28.06 | Cide | didn't you know already?! |
| 19:28.33 | Cide | you guys should have done bwd |
| 19:28.36 | Shirik | dude |
| 19:28.40 | Shirik | I know, but that's not important right now |
| 19:28.43 | Shirik | my #1 heal was renew |
| 19:28.47 | Shirik | my #2 heal was echo of light |
| 19:28.51 | Shirik | on the meters |
| 19:28.53 | Cide | haha |
| 19:28.54 | Cide | nice |
| 19:29.00 | Cide | but not so strange |
| 19:29.07 | Cide | given that it procs from everything |
| 19:29.17 | Cide | you'd need a single source for more than 25% of your healing or whatever your mastery was at |
| 19:29.28 | Cide | but yeah it's pretty insane |
| 19:29.59 | Shirik | I think probably heal was overhealing a lot |
| 19:29.59 | Cide | best part is that it procs from renew ticks and stuff too |
| 19:30.06 | Cide | heal? how so |
| 19:30.19 | Shirik | because the tanks were pretty high at points in the ifght |
| 19:30.22 | Cide | I really need to get recount or something so I can check my stats |
| 19:30.31 | Shirik | but I kept it going to keep the renew going |
| 19:30.32 | Cide | I don't think my overheal is very large though |
| 19:30.35 | Shirik | and to keep chakra up |
| 19:30.38 | Cide | ah, gotcha |
| 19:30.44 | Cide | no need to keep chakra up though |
| 19:30.51 | Cide | given 30 duration 30 cd |
| 19:30.54 | Cide | no gcd, no mana cost |
| 19:31.02 | Shirik | yet but if you keep it up you can switch states while it's up |
| 19:31.07 | Cide | ya |
| 19:31.11 | Shirik | no cooldown on switching states |
| 19:31.13 | Cide | gives more decisions |
| 19:31.20 | Cide | or choices rather |
| 19:31.41 | Shirik | Also, I got 3 crit spirit of redemptions |
| 19:31.49 | Shirik | healed for 2 instead of 1 |
| 19:31.55 | Cide | hm? |
| 19:32.03 | p3lim | hm, I'd like to access the .Xdefaults file on an old harddrive, but I can't find it anywhere on it |
| 19:32.09 | Shirik | spirit of redemption is apparently a heal for 1 |
| 19:32.12 | Shirik | that can crit |
| 19:32.21 | Cide | not sure what you mean! |
| 19:32.25 | Shirik | the angel spell |
| 19:32.26 | Shirik | when you die |
| 19:32.29 | Cide | yes |
| 19:32.36 | Shirik | apparenntly it counts as a heal for 1 |
| 19:32.37 | Cide | it has a duration |
| 19:32.47 | Shirik | no |
| 19:32.49 | Shirik | when you die |
| 19:32.51 | Shirik | you heal for 1 |
| 19:32.55 | Shirik | that's how you stay alive |
| 19:33.13 | Cide | oh |
| 19:33.15 | Cide | well grats |
| 19:33.26 | Cide | it's insane how much your mana efficiency is determined by spell choice though |
| 19:33.34 | Cide | I can spam heal like indefinitely |
| 19:34.11 | Cide | but it rarely keeps tanks at non-decreasing hp |
| 19:34.25 | Cide | once I gotta use greater heal mana starts going down much faster |
| 19:35.41 | Kraps | http://www.jerkwithacamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/roomba-030.jpg |
| 19:35.44 | foxlit | insanely good, you mean? |
| 19:36.17 | Shirik | Cide: |
| 19:36.20 | Shirik | [20:44:52.791] Kiminari Spirit of Redemption Kiminari +*2* |
| 19:36.20 | Shirik | [20:44:54.239] Kiminari Echo of Light Kiminari +0 (O: 1) |
| 19:36.20 | Shirik | [20:45:03.957] Kiminari dies |
| 19:36.28 | Shirik | well with a death before that too |
| 19:36.34 | Shirik | I missed that line |
| 19:36.34 | Cide | +0 echo of light |
| 19:36.35 | Cide | nice |
| 19:36.37 | Shirik | yeah |
| 19:36.43 | Shirik | apparently spirit of redemption procs echo of light |
| 19:36.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:36.49 | Cide | foxlit: yes, it's excellent design |
| 19:37.03 | Kraps | Shirik: did you see how holy sucks? |
| 19:37.07 | Shirik | dude kraps |
| 19:37.13 | Shirik | Mastery was my #2 heal |
| 19:37.20 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 19:37.31 | Kraps | did you see my link |
| 19:37.41 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 19:37.59 | Cide | I wonder if they think holy mastery is too good or at the right place |
| 19:38.04 | Cide | hopefully the latter >.> |
| 19:41.30 | Cide | you missed a hilarious kill last night Shirik |
| 19:41.40 | Cide | well it's not like you could have been there but it was hilarious nonetheless |
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| 20:38.08 | Cide | huh. |
| 20:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | dances crazy |
| 20:44.11 | syrae | I am working on a sekret project that I am gonna insert into my guild webpage at some point. |
| 20:44.16 | syrae | All sneaky and ninja like |
| 20:44.57 | mikma | gz |
| 20:45.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:45.38 | Fisker | i like you |
| 20:45.41 | Fisker | do you like me? |
| 20:46.42 | mckenziemc | no |
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| 21:01.47 | Kameelyan | Anyone know much about the BossN unitID/frames? |
| 21:02.14 | Kameelyan | For example, if I do: |
| 21:02.14 | Kameelyan | local boss1 = oUF:Spawn("boss1", "oUF_player") boss1:SetPoint("RIGHT", UIParent, "RIGHT", -5, 200) |
| 21:02.15 | Cide | Blizzard |
| 21:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | I has one. |
| 21:02.36 | Kameelyan | will that work or is that UnitID only available during an encounter? |
| 21:03.09 | mikma | kameelyan: ask haste, he's our oUF expert |
| 21:05.55 | mckenziemc | Loppeppeppy: you has what? |
| 21:07.07 | haste | Kameelyan: it will work and update/show/hide correctly |
| 21:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | a blizzard, mckenziemc. |
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| 21:07.41 | Cide | dolby: ping |
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| 21:07.56 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 21:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | My car was plowed in up to my hips, and the snow on top was as deep as my shovel blade. Fun times! |
| 21:13.27 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i have to walk in a deeper snow daily =D |
| 21:14.42 | Fisker | wow Lopeppeppy |
| 21:14.44 | Fisker | did it hurt? |
| 21:14.57 | mikma | shuss |
| 21:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 21:15.23 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, you must have strong legs! |
| 21:15.29 | Fisker | do you mean shush mikma ? |
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| 21:15.45 | mikma | fisker: no, i mean shuss |
| 21:15.57 | mikma | lopeppeppy: na, just tired ones actually =D |
| 21:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
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| 21:17.01 | Shirik | poor Lopeppeppy :( |
| 21:17.25 | Fisker | Shirik though |
| 21:17.41 | mikma | today was a pretty interesting say when we got 5cm of snow that covered all the previously exploded rockshards (which we had to walk on) |
| 21:17.55 | mikma | sharp edges, slippery surfaces and large holes |
| 21:17.58 | mikma | wheeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:18.12 | mikma | say=day |
| 21:19.03 | Lopeppeppy | Unfun. I'll stick to straight shoveling and black ice any day, I understand those. |
| 21:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it's all good fun. This is winter in the northeast. My boss made fun of me for staying home today! |
| 21:20.44 | mikma | couple of days ago i actually mis-stepped in the snow and my feet sank into a groin-deep hole (we were on the cliff that we're exploding). that didn't feel good. |
| 21:21.10 | mikma | juuuuust large enough so my whole leg fit in |
| 21:21.14 | Cide | you were on a cliff that you were exploding?! |
| 21:21.16 | Cide | that sounds bad |
| 21:21.38 | mikma | yeah, its our job |
| 21:23.11 | solocommand | where there any ui changes on tuesday? O.o |
| 21:29.34 | foxlit | It fascinates me that they broke the export ui command in the patch where the notes say they introduced it |
| 21:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
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| 21:34.19 | foxlit | grrr, no ENN :( |
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| 21:36.18 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I think it was in the client before |
| 21:36.21 | jnwhiteh | i found traces in 4.0.3 |
| 21:36.34 | jnwhiteh | but amusing nonetheless |
| 21:36.41 | foxlit | 4.0.3 works, actually |
| 21:39.01 | Mals | Hello folks. I have a question for you guys.. I'm currently developing some addons, and modifying others to my needs, and I'm looking to update this whole package when I'm done. I'm wondering about the customs of modifying another authors addon and releasing it, I do intend to give credits where it's proper. |
| 21:39.13 | Mals | upload* |
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| 21:41.41 | Elkano | depends on the other addons' licenses |
| 21:41.43 | haste | Mals: it depends on their license (or lack of) |
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| 21:43.26 | Mals | License.. that should be downloaded along with the addon, right? |
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| 21:46.23 | haste | or embedded within the files |
| 21:46.37 | haste | no license means full copyright however |
| 21:46.40 | cog|work | ^ |
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| 21:47.41 | Kraps | the Man is keeping us down :( |
| 21:47.43 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/151000/thread-locking-blizzard-thought-police |
| 21:49.05 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Rebel and get your account frozen! |
| 21:49.18 | Kraps | exactly! |
| 21:49.59 | Mals | Alright, thanks for the clarification =) |
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| 21:55.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:55.58 | Shirik | Neth is awesome |
| 21:56.01 | Shirik | "Since I am a female gamer myself (and have been nearly my whole life (the gamer part that is))..." |
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| 21:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | ... *snark* |
| 21:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | Neth is totally made of awesome!! |
| 21:57.34 | Cide | I wonder how she intended that to be interpreted |
| 21:57.41 | Cide | but it's funny nonetheless |
| 21:57.47 | Cide | or regardless rather |
| 21:57.49 | Lopeppeppy | That's exactly half of the fun of it, Cide. |
| 22:00.48 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/151000/thread-locking-blizzard-thought-police |
| 22:00.53 | Kraps | oops |
| 22:01.03 | Kraps | http://www.destructoid.com/seriously-missile-command-movie-moving-forward-191461.phtml |
| 22:04.32 | Kraps | here is the story in missile command http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2545-Narrative-Mechanics |
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| 22:11.10 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2634-World-of-Warcraft-Cataclysm |
| 22:11.36 | Cide | silly destructoid |
| 22:11.41 | Cide | nathan fillion does not play a missile |
| 22:11.58 | Cide | you can't simply propel into awesomeness |
| 22:13.45 | solocommand | Anyone with titan panel feel like helping beta test a plugin? :D |
| 22:14.01 | Cide | titan panel lives? |
| 22:14.09 | solocommand | D: |
| 22:14.44 | Cide | just sayin |
| 22:15.06 | Kraps | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/01/11/rps-tomb-raider-screenshots/#more-47667 |
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| 22:21.29 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/app/33390/ |
| 22:25.33 | Arrowmaster | so adrenaline isnt that great for trying to keep your concentration while driving while tired |
| 22:26.07 | Arrowmaster | had to resort to other methods besides driving 90 while just a foot from the concrete barrier wall |
| 22:27.16 | KarlKFI|work | i usually do hot air on the feet with windows open for cold air on your face |
| 22:27.47 | TC-Work | Kraps: ? |
| 22:27.49 | KarlKFI|work | and some form of techno |
| 22:27.54 | Kraps | TC-Work: |
| 22:28.01 | Arrowmaster | its below freezing outside, i wasnt going to open the windows since that would mean i would have to put my gloves on and not have as good of grip on the wheel |
| 22:28.04 | KarlKFI|work | or dance music |
| 22:28.28 | Arrowmaster | i ended up forcing myself to constantly check all my mirrors |
| 22:28.35 | Arrowmaster | that works fairly well |
| 22:28.50 | KarlKFI|work | or just pull over and take a 15min nap |
| 22:29.06 | Arrowmaster | im not a napper |
| 22:29.24 | KarlKFI|work | practice makes perfect |
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| 22:30.53 | Kraps | wtb more ptr patch notes |
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| 22:49.18 | Thrae | Kraps: Patch Notes Internal Build 4135412 -- Ghostcrawler changed from a normal enemy to Boss. |
| 22:49.39 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 22:51.19 | Thrae | "Ghostcrawler has a 0.001% chance to delete your character on hit. However if you beat the Boss version of Ghostcrawler, your character will be permanently buffed on all stats by 1%." |
| 22:52.49 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:53.03 | Kraps | anyone here buy the mass effect 2 dlc? |
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| 22:56.52 | KarlKFI|work | i heard there was gonna be a new one soon. did they actually release one? |
| 22:57.01 | KarlKFI|work | or do you mean the old stuff |
| 22:57.14 | KarlKFI|work | i which case yes, i have all the old stuff |
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| 22:57.53 | KarlKFI|work | they are generally good quality, but short |
| 22:58.30 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: do you have the gameplay stuff only or the other content too? |
| 22:58.43 | KarlKFI|work | i'd have to look at a list |
| 22:59.09 | Kraps | http://social.bioware.com/page/me2-dlc |
| 23:01.02 | KarlKFI|work | i think i have all but the Appearance Pack |
| 23:01.47 | foxlit | wait, they sell you gear for single player games? |
| 23:02.16 | KarlKFI|work | i don't recommend either of those item packs |
| 23:02.22 | Kraps | to each their own foxlit :p |
| 23:02.25 | KarlKFI|work | they're non-essential and not especially cool |
| 23:03.22 | Kraps | the 3 gameplay ones cost $25 worth of bioware points |
| 23:03.56 | KarlKFI|work | i dont have the Aegis Pack either, tho i think the sniper in there came with digital delux |
| 23:04.00 | KarlKFI|work | and it's decent |
| 23:04.11 | Thrae | I try to stay away from item packs myself, except on TF2 where I bought some gear on a whim. |
| 23:04.43 | KarlKFI|work | "Kasumi - Stolen Memory" is the best dlc imo, tho the others are fun too |
| 23:05.33 | Kraps | heh, most people say Shadow Broker is the best one |
| 23:06.01 | KarlKFI|work | also good |
| 23:06.16 | KarlKFI|work | i thinkt hat list is missing one |
| 23:06.23 | KarlKFI|work | there's a dlc with a hover tank |
| 23:06.42 | KarlKFI|work | the hover tank is awesome but only had like a couple maps |
| 23:06.57 | KarlKFI|work | i think they reused the hover tank in one of the newer dlc's but i dont remember |
| 23:09.01 | KarlKFI|work | http://masseffect.bioware.com/info/cerberus/ |
| 23:09.03 | KarlKFI|work | Firewalker |
| 23:09.21 | KarlKFI|work | those must be the free DLCs |
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| 23:10.25 | KarlKFI|work | if you bought the game legit it should come with the "Cerberus Network" code i think |
| 23:10.30 | Kraps | hmm. where would i find it? i got the Cerberus Network |
| 23:11.17 | KarlKFI|work | they should show up in your owned dlc list once you redeem the code |
| 23:11.23 | KarlKFI|work | ont he website |
| 23:11.32 | KarlKFI|work | then you have to dl the dlc separately i think |
| 23:11.48 | KarlKFI|work | since ME2 doesn't seem to have it's own dlc installer |
| 23:12.03 | Thrae | How do you use Bioware points anyway? I bought some for DLCs and forgot about it until now. |
| 23:12.17 | durcyn | it's all done through the EA storefront now, isn't it? |
| 23:12.44 | Thrae | You can buy them there yeah, that's where I bought mine a while ago |
| 23:17.36 | KarlKFI|work | http://social.bioware.com/ Login then navigate the left menu Profile > Your registered game promotions |
| 23:17.53 | KarlKFI|work | should show you your purchased DLCs and let you download them |
| 23:18.01 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/world-ipv6-day-firing-up-engines-on-new.html |
| 23:18.25 | KarlKFI|work | if you dont see any then register your game onlien and register the Cerberus Network code as well |
| 23:19.35 | KarlKFI|work | it's the hardest dlc download to find... so annoying |
| 23:20.01 | KarlKFI|work | i've been there many times and it still takes me forever to figure out how to find it again |
| 23:20.03 | Kraps | ah yeah! |
| 23:20.29 | KarlKFI|work | the dlcs downlaod as exe installers |
| 23:20.31 | Kraps | Firewalker Pack sounds like some stupid armor thing :/ |
| 23:21.15 | KarlKFI|work | "Download the Firewalker pack and gain access to 5 new missions featuring the Hammerhead. The Hammerhead is a heavy assault vehicle that hovers over the battlefield at up to 120 kilometers per hour and features a guided missile system ensuring accuracy even during aggressive maneuvering. Coming late March, free to all Cerberus Network members!" |
| 23:21.20 | KarlKFI|work | the hammerhead is badass |
| 23:21.37 | Kraps | cant be worse than the Mako |
| 23:22.01 | durcyn | the hammerhead controls are godawful |
| 23:22.02 | KarlKFI|work | it's called "Firewalker" because the maps are mostly lava levels where you have to 'jump' across lava flows and such in your tank |
| 23:22.23 | Jerub | speaking of lava. |
| 23:22.30 | Cide1 | Shirik: ok, don't get my helm |
| 23:22.35 | Shirik | lmao |
| 23:22.39 | Jerub | i was farming lava pools for volatile fire today |
| 23:22.46 | KarlKFI|work | they're not that bad. the onyl annoying thin is the use key to dig while your tank is jittering around |
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| 23:23.28 | KarlKFI|work | otherwise it handles pretty well for a hover vehicle |
| 23:23.34 | Cide1 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28010/helm.JPG |
| 23:23.42 | Shirik | hahahahaha |
| 23:24.12 | Thrae | KarlKFI: Where do I find the Cerberus Network Code? |
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| 23:24.19 | Kraps | Cide1: isnt that priest tier? |
| 23:24.24 | Cide1 | nah |
| 23:24.27 | KarlKFI|work | depends where you bought it |
| 23:24.29 | Shirik | where's that from, Cide1? |
| 23:24.33 | Cide1 | helm of eldritch authority |
| 23:24.39 | KarlKFI|work | steam should have it int he list of codes |
| 23:24.39 | Cide1 | valiona or the other dragon |
| 23:24.48 | Cide1 | second boss in bot |
| 23:25.21 | KarlKFI|work | Cide1: is that Singularity of Doomhammer? |
| 23:25.30 | Thrae | KarlKFI: Ah, OK |
| 23:25.30 | cog|work | Ackis: was that you? http://notalwaysright.com/black-ops-to-get-you-black-listed/9465 |
| 23:25.35 | cog|work | *ducks* |
| 23:25.56 | Cide1 | KarlKFI|work: yes |
| 23:26.17 | Cide1 | why do you ask? |
| 23:26.27 | KarlKFI|work | huh. i used to be in Singularity for a while |
| 23:26.50 | Cide1 | nice |
| 23:27.12 | KarlKFI|work | doubt anyone remembers me, but i still have blacknite on my friend's list |
| 23:27.23 | Cide1 | yeah he's still the guild leader |
| 23:28.13 | KarlKFI|work | i'm having trouble remembering what time period i was with them tho, i've been in a bunch of guilds |
| 23:29.00 | KarlKFI|work | i think it was hardcore raiding up to BT and Sunwell |
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| 23:29.19 | KarlKFI|work | then for LK I couldn't raid as much |
| 23:29.56 | KarlKFI|work | plus their people were really harsh and hard to deal with for some reason |
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| 23:30.32 | KarlKFI|work | blacknite was cool but their raid leader as the time didn't like me or something |
| 23:30.34 | Cide1 | I've had the same experience to an extent |
| 23:30.38 | Thrae | KarlKFI: Haha, even Dragon Age Origins had a code for the Cerberus Network |
| 23:30.51 | Cide1 | did you know of the guild Swarm on horde side? |
| 23:31.02 | KarlKFI|work | i've heard of them |
| 23:31.21 | Shirik | Cide1 |
| 23:31.25 | Shirik | what would you say is the easiest raid instance? |
| 23:31.38 | Cide1 | gear-wise bwd |
| 23:31.43 | durcyn | molten core |
| 23:31.46 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:31.51 | Cide1 | execution wise maybe BoT |
| 23:31.57 | KarlKFI|work | I'm Friends/Family in Goodwill Gamers right now. basically took a year off. Getting up to 85 now. |
| 23:32.09 | Cide1 | anyway Swarm is the guild TS and I formed, KarlKFI|work |
| 23:32.19 | KarlKFI|work | ahh |
| 23:32.27 | Cide1 | but we disbanded in wrath and started up again in cata |
| 23:32.33 | Cide1 | but on alliance side |
| 23:32.33 | KarlKFI|work | cool |
| 23:32.40 | Cide1 | and so we merged with singularity |
| 23:32.44 | KarlKFI|work | ahhh |
| 23:32.46 | KarlKFI|work | rough |
| 23:32.52 | Cide1 | it's not too bad |
| 23:32.59 | Cide1 | most of them are good people, some are just a bit stuck up |
| 23:32.59 | KarlKFI|work | Singularity is very hardcore |
| 23:33.12 | Cide1 | we do our own thing |
| 23:33.17 | Cide1 | we don't raid with them |
| 23:33.20 | KarlKFI|work | very motivated to be the top |
| 23:33.22 | Thrae | KarlKFI: How do I redeem my Bioware points? |
| 23:33.36 | Cide1 | we just provide backup raiders in case they lack something and vice versa, but usually we just raid as two separate guilds |
| 23:33.42 | Cide1 | we're only doing 10 mans atm |
| 23:33.45 | KarlKFI|work | ya |
| 23:34.09 | KarlKFI|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.26 | Cide1 | Shirik: first two fights in bwd have pretty relaxed enrage timers |
| 23:34.39 | Cide1 | Shirik: but require pretty solid execution to not wipe |
| 23:35.19 | Cide1 | halfus in BoT is pretty simple in execution but requires decent gear and it's a pretty harsh enrage timer if your gear is not great |
| 23:35.23 | KarlKFI|work | very friendly people, more young adults, less drama, lots of girls in the guild, and is somewhere between casual and hardcore raiders |
| 23:35.55 | bleeter | Shirik, Cairenn|afk: Just wanna say something on behalf of norganna.org regarding the Qld Floods. We've not heard from Norgs yet, however his name's not on the missing person's register so we're quietly hopeful |
| 23:36.10 | KarlKFI|work | they raid, but only monday-thursday |
| 23:36.22 | bleeter | Shirik, Cairenn|afk: A couple of times I've been tempted to try calling him, but I don't want to take cells away from emergency services |
| 23:36.47 | mckenziemc | KarlKFI|work: are they girls or are they GIRLs |
| 23:36.57 | Cide1 | don't be silly |
| 23:36.59 | Cide1 | are you 15? |
| 23:37.19 | bleeter | Shirik, Cairenn|afk: Just thought I'd let you guys know in case anyone was asking about our favourite alltime Queensland developer |
| 23:37.24 | KarlKFI|work | they're real girls, some significant others and several single gamer girls |
| 23:37.27 | Shirik | thanks bleeter |
| 23:37.37 | Shirik | and of course we hope everything's ok |
| 23:38.01 | bleeter | Shirik, Cairenn|afk: If you're so inclined, please promote the official donation site http://www.qld.gov.au/floods/donate.html |
| 23:38.26 | bleeter | I'm kinda loathed to beg for overseas help, but looks like we'll have nowhere near enough engineers and surveyors to start fixing stuff let alone finish it |
| 23:38.30 | Thrae | There's a lot of "Friends/Family" guilds out there who have real girls, especially ones where there's an age limit. The guild I'm in is not exactly Friends/Family, but it is casual and "mature" with a 21+ age requirement and application process. |
| 23:38.40 | bleeter | area about 1/10th size of USA effected. Insane. |
| 23:39.08 | Shirik | I should leave that to Cairenn|afk |
| 23:39.27 | KarlKFI|work | our guild is cool because it has a raiding component as well as a ton of Friends/Family |
| 23:39.32 | bleeter | Shirik: fair nuff, just wanted to do a drive by ping of a couple of admins, appreciate your eyes though :) |
| 23:39.46 | bleeter | Shirik: what would be amazing would be if Blizz coughed up a few bucks for their Aussie players |
| 23:40.03 | KarlKFI|work | usually get 2x10mans or a 25man. and there's usually like 50 people online |
| 23:40.04 | bleeter | says heavily hintingly at the lurkers |
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| 23:40.18 | Thrae | We have a separate "Raiding Group" which mainly consists of people from our guild, but also from other "sister guilds" too. They finally did down Lich King after I left, about a month or two before 4.0 hit. |
| 23:40.41 | Thrae | KarlKFI: Nice. Is it so big it needs something like DKP? |
| 23:41.00 | KarlKFI|work | they jsut switched to EPGP but they were using DKP before that |
| 23:41.24 | Thrae | Ah |
| 23:41.34 | Shirik | Thanks Cide1 |
| 23:41.34 | Thrae | Poor Warhammer. "Endless Trial -- Forever Free!" |
| 23:41.41 | KarlKFI|work | it was working fine, fairly low stress. They just had problems with dkp hording by legacy members |
| 23:41.53 | Shirik | One of the raid leaders and I decided to split off the 25 man group and work on some other instances as 10 mans while the 25 man group does T4W |
| 23:41.56 | Shirik | on off-nights |
| 23:42.25 | Cide1 | cool |
| 23:42.37 | KarlKFI|work | basically jsut kick out anyone who cases loot drama |
| 23:42.41 | KarlKFI|work | causes* |
| 23:42.43 | Cide1 | are your raid members good at avoiding void zones within 2 seconds? |
| 23:42.55 | Shirik | Cide1: The 10 mans? Sure |
| 23:42.59 | Shirik | The 25 mans? Hell no |
| 23:43.08 | KarlKFI|work | haha, they used to be. |
| 23:43.15 | Cide1 | I meant shirik |
| 23:43.28 | Shirik | KarlKFI|work: We have an interesting way of dealing with DKP hoarding |
| 23:43.46 | Shirik | After 45 days, any DKP you earned drops off |
| 23:43.55 | Shirik | Also after 45 days, any items you bought are refunded |
| 23:44.04 | KarlKFI|work | i have a netherdrake, so they were good enough at void zones for that ;) |
| 23:44.06 | Shirik | This makes basically a "window of opportunity" to use DKP |
| 23:44.25 | KarlKFI|work | yeah Shirik, i was ina guild that did that |
| 23:44.50 | KarlKFI|work | that's similar to what EPGP does |
| 23:45.09 | Shirik | Cide1: Why do you ask? |
| 23:46.16 | KarlKFI|work | it keeps two numbers: participation and loot. and your loot priority is the ratio of those two. then every week it subtracts some amount from both numbers |
| 23:46.42 | Cide1 | that's basically half of Magmaw |
| 23:47.34 | Cide1 | we had some people who failed at it |
| 23:47.46 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.epgpweb.com/help/system |
| 23:47.46 | Cide1 | so we put everyone except me in melee range |
| 23:47.51 | Cide1 | it only targets ranged people |
| 23:47.55 | Cide1 | ^ just a hint if you fail |
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| 23:51.44 | solocommand | Argh. for some reason a function that has worked fine since october randomly broke yesterday :| |
| 23:53.17 | Cide1 | nope |
| 23:53.23 | Cide1 | the function still does what it did then |
| 23:53.38 | solocommand | well, yes. :P |
| 23:54.28 | KarlKFI|work | i ran into an awesome bug when i added 2011 holidays to our holiday database |
| 23:55.00 | KarlKFI|work | the query that pulls them was formatting the dates before sorting them |
| 23:55.01 | solocommand | oh? |
| 23:55.14 | KarlKFI|work | so they were sorting alphabetically |
| 23:55.24 | KarlKFI|work | which worked great when there was onyl 1 year int he db |
| 23:56.03 | KarlKFI|work | whoever decided MM/DD/YYYY was standard should be shot |
| 23:57.13 | cog|work | if i'm going to be using a separate GPU is there any reason to get the sandy bridge CPU with the better graphics subsystem? |
| 23:57.23 | KarlKFI|work | no |
| 23:57.31 | KarlKFI|work | get 2600K |
| 23:57.42 | cog|work | that's the one with the better graphics |
| 23:57.53 | Arrowmaster | wait for the 2000+ pin one |
| 23:57.53 | cog|work | the one without the K is $30 cheaper |
| 23:58.08 | Arrowmaster | that one wont have a GPU i think |
| 23:58.13 | KarlKFI|work | the K is OCable |
| 23:58.33 | KarlKFI|work | up to 4.4Ghz on the stock cooler |
| 23:58.37 | Cide1 | wat |
| 23:58.42 | Cide1 | YYYY/MM/DD is the standard |
| 23:58.57 | Cide1 | or DD/MM/YYYY if the date is the emphasis and not the year |
| 23:58.57 | Duman | sorts better, too ;) |
| 23:58.59 | Arrowmaster | the non Ks cant be OCed at all |
| 23:59.09 | KarlKFI|work | the wonderful thing about standards is there's so many to choose from |
| 23:59.32 | Cide1 | the non-wonderful thing about standards is that usa always have their own |
| 23:59.38 | KarlKFI|work | US uses MM/DD/YYYY almost everywhere |
| 23:59.44 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: MM/DD/YYYY and DD/MM/YYYY arent standards at all, just common practice |
