| 00:01.29 | Shirik | yes Cide! |
| 00:01.30 | Shirik | Very useful |
| 00:02.20 | Shirik | here is my talent spec |
| 00:02.33 | Cide | I just don't want to drop body and soul for 1% hit |
| 00:02.40 | Cide | err haste |
| 00:02.51 | jnwhiteh | wow made me change my password |
| 00:02.54 | jnwhiteh | cause I went to finland =/ |
| 00:05.31 | Shirik | get 3% haste |
| 00:05.36 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Same happened to me while I was moving :( |
| 00:06.01 | ZorbaTHut | same happened to me when I used my laptop |
| 00:06.08 | ZorbaTHut | like, c'mon, guys. I'm even in the same block of eight IPs. |
| 00:06.17 | Shirik | Cide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/icecrown/kiminari/talent/primary |
| 00:06.31 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: It actually seems like they're using a neural network or something |
| 00:06.35 | jnwhiteh | can't I just verify the activity that happened? |
| 00:06.38 | Shirik | Because it seems to have learned that I've been moving a lot |
| 00:06.39 | jnwhiteh | google picked up the same thing |
| 00:06.50 | Shirik | And it stopped asking me, even on IPs I haven't used recently |
| 00:07.00 | Shirik | or at all |
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| 00:08.13 | jnwhiteh | quick, ldb data feed for gold on all characters |
| 00:08.39 | Cide | Shirik: yeah, not trading body and soul for that |
| 00:08.50 | Cide | once 4.0.6 hits I can get 2/3 though |
| 00:10.13 | Pneumatus | jnwhiteh: i use Auditor, but its heavyweight if you just want gold on all chars |
| 00:10.21 | jnwhiteh | yeah, there's a broker plugin I'm grabbing |
| 00:10.29 | jnwhiteh | so, do I spend 16k gold on the vendor mount? |
| 00:11.09 | Pneumatus | depends if you've got 16k to waste, as you probably wont use the vendors much |
| 00:11.17 | jnwhiteh | I only have 16k |
| 00:11.20 | jnwhiteh | about |
| 00:11.21 | jnwhiteh | maybe 20 |
| 00:11.28 | jnwhiteh | but I find myself needing to sell to vendor quite a bit |
| 00:12.33 | jnwhiteh | guild page is 8 hours |
| 00:12.37 | jnwhiteh | guild herald is 4 |
| 00:12.46 | jnwhiteh | argent squire is 5 |
| 00:13.12 | Pneumatus | i tend to use Jeeves the most, but thats obviously only applicable if you're an engineer |
| 00:13.40 | jnwhiteh | well, mammoth has a jeeves |
| 00:13.43 | jnwhiteh | so that's relevant :p |
| 00:16.41 | jnwhiteh | people like one-bag like addons |
| 00:16.47 | jnwhiteh | whats popular these days? |
| 00:16.58 | kd3 | OneBag3? |
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| 00:17.24 | jnwhiteh | Adys: sorry for the realid spam :P |
| 00:17.26 | kd3 | ooh, a power blink |
| 00:17.33 | Adys | jnwhiteh: REPORTED |
| 00:18.04 | Adys | jnwhiteh: bagnon2 is awesome |
| 00:18.06 | Adys | for bag addons |
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| 00:18.18 | Adys | it also doesnt have custom filters and all that crap i never use |
| 00:18.52 | jnwhiteh | I seem to just use the default bags |
| 00:19.02 | Adys | do try bagnon |
| 00:19.08 | Adys | it also has a guildbank module if you want that |
| 00:19.13 | Adys | although i have it off |
| 00:24.33 | zenzelezz | "Micro-blogging site Twitter is opposing an order from a US court, to reveal the account details of supporters of WikiLeaks. Twitter has called on Facebook and Google to reveal whether they also received similar court orders." - go Twitter! |
| 00:26.21 | Jamash | I use ArkInventory, which is pretty rad |
| 00:26.46 | Jamash | but takes a lot of configurating |
| 00:27.42 | Cide | I don't think any of those are better than combuctor |
| 00:27.48 | Cide | judging by a quick look |
| 00:28.36 | Jamash | tabs, eh? interesting |
| 00:28.51 | Cide | and rarity filter and search |
| 00:29.17 | Jamash | yeah arkinventory does filtering and searching and stuff, but no tabs |
| 00:29.32 | Cide | on-the-fly searching? |
| 00:29.33 | KarlKFI | i prefer my sorted baggins. better to have it all vissibe at once |
| 00:29.45 | Cide | it's all visible by default |
| 00:30.05 | Cide | that is the main tab shows everything |
| 00:30.17 | KarlKFI | but not sorted |
| 00:30.25 | Cide | no, not sorted |
| 00:30.53 | Jamash | arkinventory does on-the-fly searching, yes |
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| 00:33.31 | Landrell | well, there is also cargbags + nivaya config |
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| 00:51.43 | Shirik | there we go Cide |
| 00:51.53 | Shirik | Down to 4.08% haste (of target 4.06%) |
| 00:51.56 | Cide | nice |
| 00:52.01 | Shirik | and my mastery is up to um |
| 00:52.07 | Cide | why 4.06%? |
| 00:52.07 | Shirik | 19.7 lol |
| 00:52.13 | Cide | don't you get +8% total |
| 00:52.20 | Shirik | lua> 1.0406 * 1.03 * 1.05 |
| 00:52.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.1254089 |
| 00:52.29 | Xyphoid | that nefarian kill screenshot rules |
| 00:52.35 | Cide | oh it's not additive? |
| 00:52.37 | Shirik | correct |
| 00:56.03 | Cide | interesting |
| 00:58.02 | foxlit | gah. |
| 00:58.14 | foxlit | Need to smack whoever did the routing for the new flight paths. |
| 00:58.25 | foxlit | Surwich connects to... Booty Bay. Only. |
| 00:59.05 | Cide | Shirik: technically you only need 4.0222%! |
| 00:59.17 | Shirik | 515 doesn't get you there |
| 00:59.23 | Cide | meh |
| 00:59.29 | Shirik | 516 haste rating is the lowest you can get |
| 01:08.01 | KarlKFI | how much should i sell a [Cask of Peaked Dalaran Red] for? |
| 01:08.25 | KarlKFI | 250g + a year maturation |
| 01:08.26 | Landrell | you almost got me to click on that. >.< |
| 01:10.48 | foxlit | KarlKFI: I'm not convinced anyone would buy such useless stuff |
| 01:11.23 | Xyphoid | i put useless booze on the AH and it sells |
| 01:11.24 | Landrell | Money Sink? |
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| 01:31.37 | CombatDork | i need some help with editing an addon... mainly blizzart any 1 familiar? |
| 01:32.16 | CombatDork | any 1 there |
| 01:34.46 | CombatDork | great... |
| 01:34.47 | KarlKFI | lol found a [Glowing Shard] on ym paladin. from a removed wailing caverns quest |
| 01:35.58 | CombatDork | cool |
| 01:36.33 | CombatDork | if i wanted to hide the "-" and "=" buttons in my addon whats a good way to do that? |
| 01:36.48 | kd3 | how are you creating those buttons? |
| 01:38.10 | Dagmar | Paint them to look like help documentation. ;) |
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| 02:37.40 | Adys | !api mail_failed |
| 02:37.41 | lua_bot | MAIL_FAILED: Fires when an outgoing mail message fails to send (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MAIL_FAILED) |
| 02:43.06 | kd3 | whee; 3" and counting, 2 hours in |
| 02:43.59 | Jerub | kd3: i'm trying to make a joke that's a double, instead of a single, entendre and i simply can't. |
| 02:44.09 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:44.35 | Jerub | oh hey. i wonder if blizz will respond to my ticket today. |
| 02:45.01 | Jerub | i filed a ticked thursday last week about how i did some crafting in the 15 minutes before server restart, did a 3 skill point cloak and that took me 504->507 LW |
| 02:45.10 | Jerub | .. the next morning i had the cloak but not the skill points. |
| 02:45.40 | Jerub | filed a ticket about it, and i got told "GOOD NEWS THE PROBLEM WITH THE XP BAR NOT APPEARING IS FIXED! TRY LOGGING OUT AND IN." |
| 02:45.50 | Jerub | waiting on followup response now |
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| 03:02.58 | CombatDork | ... |
| 03:09.17 | Jerub | yeah, that was basically my response. |
| 03:09.19 | CombatDork | any 1 good with lua stuff i need an idea where to look for some code |
| 03:09.36 | Jerub | are you after a lua tutorial? |
| 03:10.37 | CombatDork | i kinda got a grasp on it, seems alot like java, but i can't figure out were this guy hid 2 for the action bar buttons |
| 03:10.53 | CombatDork | *2 of the |
| 03:13.11 | CombatDork | i can't find were the jump happens... i go from bar 1 button 12 to bar 2 button 3 so I'm missing bar 2 buttons 1 and 2 |
| 03:14.00 | CombatDork | as far as i can tell there is no code jumping those buttons but i have a feeling its lost in the menu bar code |
| 03:14.01 | Jerub | CombatDork: i'm horrible at this sort of thing, i just throw print statements in until i understand |
| 03:14.46 | CombatDork | with all the names in this place you'd think more plp would be on |
| 03:15.01 | CombatDork | lol |
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| 03:17.11 | CombatDork | mannnn |
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| 03:33.00 | CombatDork | any 1 good with SetPoint stuff? |
| 03:35.07 | CombatDork | any 1 out there? |
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| 03:56.26 | Taroven | THERE. |
| 03:56.50 | Taroven | glares at his startup scripts. |
| 03:59.49 | CombatDork | lol |
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| 04:02.57 | Taroven | Got a little tired of my post-login routine... Wait for everything to load, hit super-tilde to bring up Tilda, start cmus, ctrl-shift-T, start irssi, ctrl-shift-T, start whatever, go back to cmus, get music going... meh. |
| 04:04.00 | Taroven | Replaced Tilda with Guake (which looks better in the first place and actually has configurable hotkeys, just didn't work well with 2 monitors till a quick patch), got it all rolling at login through the magic of bash scripts. |
| 04:04.02 | Corrodias2 | most any OS should let you launch stuff at startup. woo. |
| 04:04.19 | Corrodias2 | good. one form of laziness is better than the other. |
| 04:05.13 | Taroven | Yeah Corrodias2, but Tilda's stupid and doesn't let you muck with it via commandline after it's started. ie, can't start extra stuff or create tabs via a script. |
| 04:06.27 | bluspacecow | Fiiiiiskeer ..... Fiskery fisker fiiiiiiiiiiisker |
| 04:08.29 | Kraps | what is love |
| 04:09.17 | bluspacecow | baby dont hurt me |
| 04:09.24 | bluspacecow | dont hurt me |
| 04:09.27 | bluspacecow | no more |
| 04:09.28 | Taroven | no moooore |
| 04:10.00 | CombatDork | do you really want to hurt me? |
| 04:10.11 | bluspacecow | do you really want to break my heeeart |
| 04:13.23 | CombatDork | lol |
| 04:13.47 | CombatDork | i'm on the hunt i'm after you |
| 04:15.37 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 04:15.43 | bluspacecow | don't know that one sorry |
| 04:18.47 | CombatDork | hungry like the wolf? |
| 04:22.08 | Kraps | NSFW http://www.ranker.com/list/the-top-25-sexiest-video-game-tattoos/greg |
| 04:27.14 | Dagmar | Kraps: You should just start a blog, so we can look at these things when we're out of the office wihtout having to mail the links to ourselves. ;) |
| 04:27.29 | Kraps | heh |
| 04:28.01 | Dagmar | Yours turn out to be generally non-horrifying and just interesting enough to matter without being a screenful of boobies |
| 04:28.09 | Dagmar | :) |
| 04:28.29 | Kraps | hmm thanks! |
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| 04:32.40 | Shirik | Krap |
| 04:32.42 | Shirik | s |
| 04:32.46 | Shirik | did you hear about my epic fail? :( |
| 04:32.51 | Kraps | no |
| 04:33.08 | Shirik | I had 400 too much haste rating |
| 04:33.33 | Shirik | the GD character sheet doesn't show the effects of darkness |
| 04:34.03 | Kraps | was greater heal instant-cast? |
| 04:34.49 | Shirik | no |
| 04:35.29 | Thunder_Child | then it's not too much |
| 04:36.25 | Kraps | what Thunder_Child said |
| 04:38.13 | Kraps | is there a haste cap Shirik? |
| 04:38.21 | Shirik | the GCD |
| 04:38.29 | Shirik | and yes there is Thunder_Child |
| 04:38.36 | Shirik | mastery becomes better than haste after 12.5% |
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| 04:38.43 | Shirik | and 12.5% = 4.06% |
| 04:40.01 | Kraps | 12.5% hits the gcd? |
| 04:44.36 | batrick | HI SHIRIK |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | Kraps: No, 12.5% gives you an extra tick of renew |
| 04:46.29 | Shirik | Is anyone here good with MySQL EXPLAIN syntax? |
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| 04:52.38 | Thunder_Child | hah, i just found this comment about a taco bell "Authentic mexican cuisine at it's finest!" |
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| 04:54.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:54.20 | Shirik | mysql> CREATE TEMPORARY TABLE autoreviewers; |
| 04:54.21 | Shirik | ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mpdelbuono'@'%.toolserver.org' to database 'enwiki_p' |
| 04:54.30 | Shirik | halp |
| 04:54.44 | Shirik | Is a subquery "ok"? |
| 04:54.54 | Shirik | I've been told they're evil and slow |
| 04:56.29 | pigeon | does anyone know in the wow directory, are the Cache/ and Data/Cache/ really just cache, so things in there can be safely deleted? |
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| 04:59.34 | Shirik | yes pigeon |
| 04:59.41 | SqueeG | I have the Phineas and Ferb theme song stuck in my head >.> |
| 04:59.47 | Shirik | but your performance will drop with regards to requesting items from teh server |
| 04:59.49 | Shirik | etc. |
| 04:59.54 | pigeon | Shirik: oh, thanks |
| 05:00.00 | Shirik | especially if you use auction addons, it will harm scanning speed |
| 05:00.10 | pigeon | hmm i noticed my Data/Cache is like 9G |
| 05:00.21 | pigeon | does that sound right? |
| 05:00.52 | pigeon | SoundCache-0.MPQ 2.5G, SoundCache-0.MPQ 1.7G, quite big |
| 05:01.07 | Shirik | nice |
| 05:02.15 | pigeon | not very nice for my tiny harddisk ;) |
| 05:02.33 | pigeon | for this laptop anyway... |
| 05:18.13 | Shirik | Anyone see what's wrong with this? http://wowi.pastey.net/144684 |
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| 05:24.19 | Gnarfoz | pigeon: Data/Cache is not something you want to delete, Shirik is wrong |
| 05:24.25 | Shirik | what? |
| 05:24.29 | Gnarfoz | Cache is ok to delete but it's not big anyway |
| 05:25.06 | Gnarfoz | why would he want to delete 9gig the launcher will just re-download? |
| 05:25.46 | Shirik | he's the one who asked! |
| 05:25.58 | Shirik | It's not unsafe though |
| 05:26.05 | Gnarfoz | right, but useless to |
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| 05:27.26 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 05:27.32 | Adys | Gnarfoz: Data/Cache is not downloaded |
| 05:27.44 | Gnarfoz | Adys: extracted, then |
| 05:27.51 | Nobgul | Its generated as you come across items and stuff |
| 05:27.51 | Adys | its not extracted |
| 05:27.53 | Gnarfoz | my point: it'll just reappear |
| 05:27.58 | Adys | Its not generated |
| 05:28.03 | Gnarfoz | would you shut up |
| 05:28.06 | Gnarfoz | or say where it comes from? |
| 05:28.08 | Adys | I won't shut up |
| 05:28.17 | Gnarfoz | it's irrelevant, he wanted to save space, it won't save him space to delete it |
| 05:28.22 | Nobgul | Gnarfoz, Relax there. No need to be rude |
| 05:28.30 | Adys | sec |
| 05:28.33 | Gnarfoz | Nobgul: uhm, what? |
| 05:29.01 | Nobgul | No need to go around telling people to shut up. If you don't like what they are saying then don't listen. |
| 05:29.12 | Gnarfoz | Nobgul: how about you apply that to yourself |
| 05:29.23 | |Jelly| | RAGE! |
| 05:29.29 | Gnarfoz | jellyrage :o |
| 05:29.44 | |Jelly| | I'm healing cogwheel currently. kek |
| 05:29.59 | |Jelly| | There can be no rage when COGWHEEL'S life is in the balance! |
| 05:30.05 | Gnarfoz | you're a mechanic now? |
| 05:30.09 | Adys | as I was saying |
| 05:30.11 | Nobgul | let him die. It all his fault anyway |
| 05:30.38 | Adys | Data/Cache is a cache of pre-patched data to avoid having the game patch files you've already come accross |
| 05:31.09 | Adys | if you did a run through all of outland, northrend and kalimdor (for archeo) and arent going to go back there, chances are deleting that cache will free up space that won't come back (for a while) |
| 05:36.13 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.46 | SqueeG | fwoosh |
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| 06:11.01 | Shirik | So they say when a query says "using temporary" or "using filesort", your query is bad |
| 06:11.10 | Shirik | | 1 | PRIMARY | revision | ALL | user_timestamp | NULL | NULL | NULL | 280618575 | Using where; Using temporary; Using filesort | |
| 06:11.14 | Shirik | What if it says both? |
| 06:12.47 | Nobgul | its really bad? |
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| 06:22.17 | airtonix | yay i love real estate agents |
| 06:22.41 | airtonix | "i'll call you back in 10 minutes" >>> 12 days later |
| 06:28.45 | Shirik | ok well |
| 06:28.49 | Shirik | I'm just using the crappy inefficient version |
| 06:28.53 | Shirik | because there's no other way to do it |
| 06:29.09 | Shirik | stupid wikipedia and their massive database that moves too fast for indexes |
| 06:30.49 | CombatDork | any 1 know how to move a totem bar in code? |
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| 06:33.55 | airtonix | what is quaint dialect you speak Shirk? |
| 06:34.44 | Trigorn | Would it be possible to make an addon that puts an arrow around your feet that points towards your target? |
| 06:34.56 | Trigorn | like in 3D space? |
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| 06:39.59 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:42.14 | sylvanaar | i cant sleep fuck |
| 06:42.37 | airtonix | i'd be amazed if you could |
| 06:42.46 | sylvanaar | theres a comma in there |
| 06:42.50 | airtonix | hoho |
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| 06:48.27 | CombatDork | elseif (class == "SHAMAN" ) then |
| 06:48.27 | CombatDork | condition = condition.."[bonusbar:1] 7; [bonusbar:2] 8; [bonusbar:3] 9; [bonusbar:4] 10;" |
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| 06:48.59 | airtonix | ~pastebin |
| 06:48.59 | purl | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 06:57.36 | Taroven | Gotta love using Lua scripts for stuff other than addons. |
| 06:58.40 | airtonix | indulge us old fellow |
| 06:59.48 | Taroven | Writing a cmus notifier script. |
| 07:01.04 | Taroven | The bash script calling this pipes the output of 'cmus-remote -Q' to a file, which the Lua script parses to find tag info (or some guesswork if tags aren't present in the file). |
| 07:01.34 | Taroven | All said and done, it fires off a notify-send with shiny stuff. |
| 07:02.20 | Shirik | Can someone explain the difference between these two statements? |
| 07:02.24 | Shirik | SELECT COUNT(page.page_title) FROM page INNER JOIN u_mzmcbride_enwiki_page_creators_p.page AS m ON page.page_id = m.page_id INNER JOIN user ON page_creator = user_name WHERE page_namespace = 0 AND user_name = "Shirik" |
| 07:02.31 | Shirik | SELECT COUNT(page.page_title) FROM page INNER JOIN u_mzmcbride_enwiki_page_creators_p.page AS m ON page.page_id = m.page_id INNER JOIN user ON page_creator = user_name WHERE page_namespace = 0 AND user_name = "Shirik" GROUP BY user_name; |
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| 07:03.07 | Shirik | One is incredibly fast and one is not (the second is faster) |
| 07:03.22 | Taroven | I... really don't know. |
| 07:03.28 | airtonix | did you run the second one first ? |
| 07:03.43 | Shirik | yes actually, by accident |
| 07:04.01 | airtonix | ok that eliminates any arcance possibility of caching as the reason |
| 07:06.37 | Dagmar | Shirik: Are we talking wall clock seconds or CPU time? |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | admittedly, wall clock seconds, but the difference is so massive I would expect the latter to be true as well |
| 07:07.12 | Shirik | I mean we're talking about going from milliseconds to minutes |
| 07:07.14 | Dagmar | SOmethign else was keeping the machine busy when you made the "slow" query is all then |
| 07:08.45 | clever | Shirik: SET profiling = 1; run that query, SHOW PROFILE; |
| 07:09.17 | Dagmar | You *did* ask it to collapse your report with GROUP BY but the time frame you're talking about pretty much indicates the load on the system was just radically different |
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| 07:10.35 | Dagmar | I doubt it was deliberately dragging it's feet for you being thick |
| 07:11.42 | clever | bigest problem i have is locking causing things to appear slow |
| 07:12.10 | Fisker | die die die |
| 07:12.46 | Fisker | omg this is an outrage |
| 07:12.48 | Shirik | I'll try that when this latest queryi s complete, clever |
| 07:12.58 | Fisker | they can't send episodes abbreviated "MILF" |
| 07:13.44 | Dagmar | Of course all bets were off if that query actually involved a million or so responses |
| 07:13.52 | Dagmar | That might make GROUP BY have some um... "weight" to it |
| 07:14.41 | clever | WHERE page_namespace = 0 AND user_name = "Shirik" GROUP BY user_name, its only got one username to deal with, shouldnt really make it any more complex |
| 07:14.49 | Shirik | I agree |
| 07:15.05 | Shirik | so the question is why taking out the GROUP BY would be any slower |
| 07:15.27 | Shirik | wikipedia's database is a mess anyway :P |
| 07:15.32 | Dagmar | Because someone else was likely running a very aggressive query at the same time |
| 07:15.39 | Shirik | that's actually very possible |
| 07:15.45 | Shirik | I will have to try this profiling |
| 07:15.50 | Dagmar | SQL servers are not erratically slow like that |
| 07:16.10 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:16.18 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:16.21 | Fisker | sup |
| 07:16.28 | Shirik | hi :) |
| 07:16.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:16.35 | Fisker | you're scaring me |
| 07:16.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:16.46 | Shirik | sorry |
| 07:16.56 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 07:18.35 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 07:18.51 | airtonix | hello...baldric |
| 07:22.41 | airtonix | you know my "programming" teacher last semester was a good likeness of baldric |
| 07:22.49 | airtonix | it was uncanny |
| 07:23.12 | Fisker | your "programming" teacher sounds like something it would say in a script for a porn airtonix |
| 07:23.22 | airtonix | hoho |
| 07:25.12 | zenzelezz | that must've been interesting |
| 07:25.16 | airtonix | oh yes |
| 07:25.37 | airtonix | i couldn't work out if that was why i couldn't take anything he said seriously |
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| 07:26.01 | airtonix | or that he had this zealous love for all things microsoft |
| 07:26.37 | airtonix | he was also obsessed with making stock exchange software |
| 07:26.45 | zenzelezz | I'm sure he had a very cunning plan |
| 07:26.58 | airtonix | 1. create skynet |
| 07:27.00 | airtonix | 2. ??? |
| 07:27.02 | airtonix | 3. profit |
| 07:28.45 | airtonix | hey fisker, did you know irc is like sailing boats passing in the night ? It's how hackers exchange information. (the sailing boat part i mean) |
| 07:30.07 | Mr_Rabies | never change tv technobabble |
| 07:30.10 | Mr_Rabies | never change |
| 07:30.15 | sylvanaar | http://www.google.com/insights/search/?hl=en-US#q=warcraft&cmpt=q |
| 07:30.22 | sylvanaar | thats interesting |
| 07:30.46 | clever | airtonix: my school had a computer applications course, it was basicaly how to turn a computer on and use microsoft office |
| 07:30.58 | airtonix | clever, yes |
| 07:31.04 | clever | i helped the teacher with a few things, while doing an online computer science (visual basic) course |
| 07:31.17 | clever | one student made a seperate power point project, for each slide |
| 07:31.27 | clever | teacher couldnt fix it |
| 07:31.39 | clever | i sit down, and figure out you can drag&drop slides between projects |
| 07:31.40 | Dagmar | This is why friends don't let friends use Powerpoint. |
| 07:31.46 | clever | first time i ever touched power point:P |
| 07:31.50 | Dagmar | You are literally better off using MSPaint |
| 07:31.55 | airtonix | i got yelled at for calling a presentation document a presentation instead of a powerpoint document |
| 07:31.58 | cbreak_work | LaTeX! |
| 07:32.35 | cbreak_work | real programmers code their presentations in LaTeX... |
| 07:32.47 | airtonix | whenever the teacher said "now get out your powerpoints", i would say "but i left mine at home on the skirting boards" |
| 07:32.55 | clever | airtonix: at the time i began the CS course, i believe i knew vb, qbasic, c64 basic, and some html/javascript |
| 07:33.05 | Dagmar | OKay so maybe it's probably better than LaTeX in an office environment, but that's probably more to do with the average office worker would go and get some markers and big sheets of paper if they had to use LaTeX |
| 07:33.08 | clever | i think c/c++ might have been on the list too |
| 07:33.49 | cbreak_work | if LaTeX is not better than X, then it's the user's fault. |
| 07:33.51 | airtonix | visualbasic is an exercise in social engineering |
| 07:34.18 | Dagmar | Only if you're trying to convince people VisualBasic is a good language. |
| 07:34.25 | airtonix | hoho |
| 07:34.27 | clever | just installing VB on the school computer hosed it :P |
| 07:34.30 | airtonix | and you're profiting from it |
| 07:34.40 | clever | i had played with the windows ACL perms for my desktop |
| 07:34.45 | clever | the admin 'fixed' it when he installed VB |
| 07:34.52 | clever | he left me with 0 perms to the desktop |
| 07:34.56 | clever | not even read:P |
| 07:35.00 | cbreak_work | clever: the computer weighted the alternatives and chose death |
| 07:35.04 | Dagmar | Thaaaat's probably for the best. |
| 07:35.20 | clever | every time windows tried to redraw the desktop (because 1 pixel was revealed) |
| 07:35.27 | clever | it would complain about not having perms |
| 07:35.44 | cbreak_work | just delete it |
| 07:35.46 | clever | i had to use a linux livecd just to extract my files |
| 07:35.50 | cbreak_work | and make a new desktop |
| 07:35.58 | clever | cbreak_work: no delete perms |
| 07:36.05 | cbreak_work | it's inside your home folder |
| 07:36.11 | clever | windows xp pro:P |
| 07:36.11 | cbreak_work | you should be able to take over those rights |
| 07:36.20 | Dagmar | So there's still generally a power button on those things. |
| 07:36.20 | airtonix | the 'admin' took the restart button with him when he left |
| 07:36.25 | Dagmar | It's a good solution to a problem like that. |
| 07:36.25 | cbreak_work | since permissions are usually inherited |
| 07:36.44 | clever | that reminds me |
| 07:36.46 | airtonix | and the ctrl+alt+del keys |
| 07:36.48 | clever | the place i was before that school |
| 07:36.55 | clever | the admin often took shutdown off the start menu kinda :P |
| 07:37.04 | Dagmar | cbreak_work: Did you miss the line where he said he'd been _playing_ with the ACLs before? |
| 07:37.14 | clever | they ran cleanslate, which undoes all hdd/registery changes on shutdown |
| 07:37.28 | clever | so the admin would turn cleanslate off, REBOOT, edit stuff, turn it on, reboot |
| 07:37.34 | clever | now the default option is reboot |
| 07:37.43 | clever | and cleanslate forces it back to reboot every time you turn it off |
| 07:38.01 | airtonix | ... |
| 07:38.07 | clever | it gets worse |
| 07:38.11 | clever | daylight savings time came up |
| 07:38.14 | airtonix | these people don't know about drbl |
| 07:38.17 | clever | windows turned the clock back an hour |
| 07:38.27 | clever | cleanslate undid the register change marking that as done |
| 07:38.28 | airtonix | hoho |
| 07:38.31 | clever | windows turned the clock back another hour |
| 07:38.33 | clever | cleanslate undid the register change marking that as done |
| 07:38.34 | Dagmar | Yet another reason why localtime in the BIOS is satan |
| 07:38.36 | clever | windows turned the clock back another hour |
| 07:38.43 | Dagmar | YAY |
| 07:38.52 | cbreak_work | why would windows change the time because of DST? |
| 07:38.53 | clever | every time you boot it, the clock goes back an hour and it asks you to fix it |
| 07:39.08 | cbreak_work | sounds like windows botchered some basics there |
| 07:39.11 | airtonix | paperclip shows up "Hi it looks like you're screwing with my mind" |
| 07:39.12 | Dagmar | More importantly, going back *another* hour |
| 07:39.15 | clever | cbreak_work: bios is local time, and it has to go forward/back on DST |
| 07:39.30 | cbreak_work | sounds dumb. |
| 07:39.33 | clever | and due to cleanslate blocking all changes to the registery |
| 07:39.36 | clever | windows forgot it did so |
| 07:39.38 | clever | and did it again |
| 07:39.40 | clever | and again |
| 07:40.04 | Dagmar | I have only bitched about Windows 7 *still* opting to store localtime in the BIOS about a million times now |
| 07:40.05 | airtonix | was that their attempt to avoid disk imaging ? |
| 07:40.08 | cbreak_work | an other sampling point that indicates that who ever designed windows was a moron. |
| 07:40.27 | clever | airtonix: i think it was to prevent messing with the system and virus's |
| 07:40.32 | Dagmar | I swear they do it just to screw with dual-booters |
| 07:40.35 | clever | airtonix: anything you install is gone tomorow |
| 07:40.51 | airtonix | Dagmar, there are no other operating systems in eastbloc |
| 07:40.58 | clever | however, one app (the learning software) is allowed to update files |
| 07:41.07 | clever | and it blindly copies a network share to the local system for updates |
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| 07:41.13 | clever | the network share was writable:P |
| 07:41.15 | airtonix | hoho |
| 07:41.25 | Dagmar | FAIL |
| 07:41.28 | clever | i drop any file i want on the network share |
| 07:41.36 | clever | and the learning software copies it to every workstation |
| 07:41.40 | Dagmar | Instant, network-wide infections |
| 07:41.44 | clever | and it cant be deleted without the cleanslate admin password |
| 07:41.50 | clever | Dagmar: yeah |
| 07:41.54 | airtonix | maspaint goatse.jpg |
| 07:42.05 | clever | you could also edit any images in the course |
| 07:42.08 | Dagmar | Yeah the temptation to do something like that would definitely be there. |
| 07:42.15 | clever | so you could put goatse.jpg on question 5 :P |
| 07:42.32 | airtonix | Dagmar, i did that to people who left their workstations without logging of or locking the screen |
| 07:42.34 | Dagmar | Well, more importantly, you could drop in a .reg file that changes the desktops |
| 07:42.45 | cbreak_work | there was an interesting remote attack that was part of Stuxnet |
| 07:42.53 | Dagmar | Suddenly... *assholes* as far as they eye can see |
| 07:43.02 | clever | Dagmar: running it thru regedit.exe would not be permanent |
| 07:43.10 | clever | regedit isnt on the whitelist for cleanslate |
| 07:43.17 | cbreak_work | apparently, the windows print spooler always impersonates the account that is used to print, so if you use printer sharing and try to print something, the spooler drops his rights |
| 07:43.25 | cbreak_work | for security of course |
| 07:43.36 | cbreak_work | (because the spooler can write files to disk) |
| 07:44.01 | cbreak_work | unless you try to print with the guest account. because the guest account has too little rights to print, the spooler switches to system account. |
| 07:44.11 | clever | cbreak_work: uh oh |
| 07:44.12 | cbreak_work | so you can, if you print as guest, write files with system privileges... |
| 07:44.18 | Dagmar | I love smart programs. |
| 07:44.29 | clever | Dagmar: the highschool did the security better, it was xp pro not windows 98 |
| 07:44.36 | cbreak_work | so stuxnet used that to write itself into some auto start area in the system directory |
| 07:44.39 | clever | so the system actualy blocked access to files, instead of undoing it later |
| 07:44.59 | clever | Dagmar: however, i did find, i could modify a directory on my network share |
| 07:45.02 | clever | to act like /tmp |
| 07:45.09 | clever | anybody can write, but you can only delete your own stuff |
| 07:45.21 | clever | made a music directory for everybody:P |
| 07:45.39 | cbreak_work | dumb. way too obvious. |
| 07:45.47 | cbreak_work | you should have done it on some teacher's share. |
| 07:46.01 | clever | i dont have perms to edit his share, due to the ACL's |
| 07:46.26 | Dagmar | You probably do. |
| 07:46.33 | clever | i did however, find another intestesting fact |
| 07:46.39 | clever | start->run 'net send * hello' |
| 07:46.40 | Dagmar | It's actually a lot of work to go and actually lock those things down. |
| 07:46.47 | Dagmar | Someone working for a school just isn't being paid enough |
| 07:46.50 | clever | broadcast message to everybody on the broadcast segment |
| 07:46.58 | clever | how large was the broadcast segment? |
| 07:47.27 | Dagmar | That is sent to the workgroupo |
| 07:47.44 | clever | its sent to every school computer |
| 07:47.47 | clever | in the entire province |
| 07:47.52 | Dagmar | Such things can go *way* beyond your switch, yes |
| 07:48.34 | clever | the problem, is that your IP shows in the popup message |
| 07:48.38 | Dagmar | clever: there are some positively satanic thing you can go with autoconfiguration hostnames. You should try some on there. ;) |
| 07:48.42 | clever | and they have a chart saying what room each ip belongs in |
| 07:48.55 | clever | and they have stickers on every case for its IP |
| 07:48.58 | Dagmar | clever: That so doesn't even matter. |
| 07:49.17 | clever | enless i fake the source ip using my own os, they show up in minutes |
| 07:49.27 | clever | like you would expect from the FBI:P |
| 07:49.30 | Dagmar | clever: If you spent a few minutes Googling you would readily find a utility to send those using arbitrary sources, yes |
| 07:49.53 | clever | id probly need admin perms to write raw packets to the NIC |
| 07:49.58 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 07:50.16 | clever | then windows security fails:P |
| 07:51.38 | Dagmar | If it's not being done *entirely* through an AD domain, then yes |
| 07:52.04 | clever | the school also blocked email and IM clients |
| 07:52.19 | clever | net send somewhat works around that, since you can PM other students |
| 07:53.06 | cbreak_work | if you have exposed ethernet ports, someone can plug in a laptop and send what ever packets he wants |
| 07:53.16 | cbreak_work | windows itself is unable to send raw IP packets afaik |
| 07:53.22 | cbreak_work | no raw sockets (for normal users) |
| 07:53.31 | clever | cbreak_work: yep, i did that with my toshiba 50mhz grey scale laptop |
| 07:53.51 | clever | i raw pcanywhere on ports 23/80 at home, to evade the basic school firewall |
| 07:54.02 | clever | and then remotely controled the home system to access email and stuff |
| 07:54.20 | cbreak_work | boring... ;) |
| 07:54.30 | clever | id use ssh or vnc nowadays |
| 07:54.35 | Arrowmaster | i just ssh over port 443 and create a dynamic tunnel with the ssh connection |
| 07:54.42 | cbreak_work | vnc is stupidly inefficient |
| 07:54.46 | clever | i wasnt into linux back then |
| 07:55.20 | Arrowmaster | back in highschool, no matter what they did they could not lock my class out of anything |
| 07:55.57 | clever | the middle school had even older/worse security |
| 07:56.17 | clever | they changed shell= in system.ini to run some norton netware stuff |
| 07:56.32 | clever | half the studends would close that app, and then the system is screwed |
| 07:56.39 | clever | no desktop, no task bar, now what |
| 07:58.28 | clever | i snuck in during break, opened the browse file window in netscape, right clicked on system.ini, edit |
| 07:58.37 | clever | moved a ; up one line, and rebooted |
| 07:58.44 | clever | entire security system cracked:P |
| 07:59.59 | Dagmar | clever: ...and now you know why Unix admins always gave you a pained look if you said "Windows security" in front of them |
| 08:00.34 | clever | :) |
| 08:00.47 | clever | that reminds me of an animated gif i saw once |
| 08:01.00 | clever | using the help button at the windows nt login screen, you can open the help program |
| 08:01.12 | clever | which after a long series of pokes and prods, gets you a desktop:P |
| 08:01.29 | Corrodias2 | with what user? |
| 08:01.52 | clever | not sure |
| 08:02.27 | clever | whatever default one it used for the wallpaper at the login screen |
| 08:02.35 | Shirik | ah well |
| 08:02.38 | clever | i still have the gif somewhere |
| 08:02.39 | Shirik | my query runs in less than an hour |
| 08:02.45 | Shirik | I'm not going to worry about the performance anymore |
| 08:02.45 | Arrowmaster | clever: i did that on XP once |
| 08:03.17 | Arrowmaster | to get around a 'its been 30 days and you still havent put in a key yet' lockout |
| 08:03.27 | clever | Shirik: the bigest problem with long running selects, is that it locks out all insert/updates |
| 08:03.33 | clever | Arrowmaster: nice |
| 08:03.40 | Shirik | not really true here :) |
| 08:03.47 | Shirik | This is a replication database |
| 08:03.54 | clever | i just find a linux computer with a key plastered on the bottom |
| 08:03.59 | Arrowmaster | i got on as the actual user |
| 08:04.02 | Shirik | It might slow down replication for a bit, but I don't think anyone's concerned about that |
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| 08:04.43 | Shirik | Anyone that IS concerned about replication lag is supposed to be on s1-fast, which has a max query time of 60s |
| 08:05.27 | clever | ok, its not in those 2 groups of tabs |
| 08:06.01 | clever | http://www.wowbash.com/image-13398.html |
| 08:06.06 | clever | thats not it either |
| 08:08.02 | clever | maybe i closed the tab:S |
| 08:08.18 | Wobin | http://twitter.com/#!/seqincidents/status/24373434851000320 |
| 08:08.20 | Wobin | holy shit |
| 08:08.51 | clever | Wobin: thats not what twitter is for :( |
| 08:09.34 | Wobin | If they don't have access to a radio, it might have helped |
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| 08:09.38 | clever | only idiots would trust lives to twitter |
| 08:09.44 | Wobin | PS, I'm sure that wasn't the -only- alert =P |
| 08:09.51 | clever | only idiots post on facebook that they are stuck in a well |
| 08:09.54 | clever | using a cellphone... |
| 08:10.01 | clever | ive seen a news article of just that:P |
| 08:10.27 | Wobin | clever: that's an emergency response account |
| 08:10.29 | Wobin | not a person |
| 08:10.53 | clever | but if anybody was using that twitter feed to stay safe... |
| 08:11.18 | Wobin | I suspect you're reading a little too far into this |
| 08:11.27 | Wobin | how about "Holy Shit. A seven METER WAVE OF WATER" |
| 08:11.39 | clever | thats more of what id expect on twitter:P |
| 08:11.50 | Wobin | In any case |
| 08:11.59 | Wobin | it's fine for those who want to keep up with issues |
| 08:12.04 | Wobin | but aren't directly affected by it |
| 08:12.28 | clever | just wait till somebody tries to use it to stay safe, and then sues twitter :P |
| 08:12.35 | Wobin | haha |
| 08:12.37 | Wobin | yeah, in America |
| 08:12.41 | Wobin | not going to happen here |
| 08:12.46 | Wobin | cause we're not that stupid |
| 08:12.47 | clever | you know somebody is going to try it |
| 08:13.01 | clever | until you put an IQ test on breeding, it will happen |
| 08:13.04 | Wobin | I can only ever see it happening in the US |
| 08:13.13 | Wobin | because it wouldn't even make it past a lawyer here |
| 08:13.27 | clever | yeah |
| 08:13.32 | clever | ive seen news articles about law suits against god and the bible:P |
| 08:14.31 | clever | the law suit against god failed not because the guy was an idiot |
| 08:14.41 | clever | but because god had no fixed address to send the paperwork to:P |
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| 08:18.51 | airtonix | windows are meant to be opened |
| 08:20.09 | Taroven | airtonix: http://taroven.pastey.net/144692 - Finished. =D |
| 08:20.37 | Taroven | (aside from the random print that was still in there...) |
| 08:21.34 | airtonix | cmus runs that on track change ? |
| 08:21.53 | Taroven | It could if I wanted it to. |
| 08:23.44 | Taroven | For now I just have it tied to some cmus-remote scripts so that it only pops up when I change track manually. |
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| 08:26.00 | Taroven | Should work pretty well if you happen to be running linux, use cmus, change the paths, and pipe cmus-remote -Q output to a file beforehand. |
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| 08:29.35 | Taroven | Really wishing notify-send supported markup though. The libnotify specs got my hopes up until I actually tried it. -.- |
| 08:30.41 | Taroven | ...oh no shit, it does. Just not in the title. DURRRRR. |
| 08:31.49 | clever | i had thrown together some notify/udev stuff a while ago for a bunch of usb devices |
| 08:32.08 | clever | auto-mounting of certain usb sticks with a popup saying which stick it was |
| 08:32.16 | clever | changing synergy config when a mouse is connected |
| 08:32.39 | Taroven | This is my first time really screwing with it. |
| 08:33.01 | Kalroth | hot |
| 08:33.16 | clever | i also use libnotify indirectly from my firefox addons |
| 08:33.41 | clever | under windows, its routed to a regular firefox window, but linux just passes it on to the notify app |
| 08:33.44 | Taroven | Mmm. Only things I really use it for are irssi and cmus so far. |
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| 08:34.05 | clever | irssi is on a headless server |
| 08:34.14 | airtonix | could use udev to automate backups of particular things to particular usb drives |
| 08:34.27 | Taroven | If I ever switched to mutt I'd prolly throw in some love there. |
| 08:34.32 | clever | airtonix: easily, mount, backup, umount, loud beep |
| 08:34.32 | airtonix | udev/dbus |
| 08:35.09 | clever | KERNEL=="sd?1", ATTRS{idVendor}=="058f", ATTRS{serial}=="CAF261CC", SYMLINK+="red_4gig", RUN+="/root/stick_insert red_4gig" |
| 08:35.23 | airtonix | would be good to have a marketable gui for the nab clients |
| 08:35.33 | Taroven | but leik omg wut if i disabled system beep! |
| 08:35.57 | airtonix | hal rings your phone |
| 08:36.21 | Taroven | Heh. |
| 08:36.22 | airtonix | "you disabled my beep" |
| 08:36.33 | clever | Taroven: ive actualy got that problem on 2 of my systems |
| 08:36.34 | airtonix | "dave" |
| 08:36.45 | Taroven | airtonix: lulz. |
| 08:36.52 | clever | the system beep on the hda intel card is ungodly loud, even at level 0 |
| 08:37.05 | clever | so much that it gives me a heart attack if i have headphones on |
| 08:37.12 | Taroven | Yeah, my system beep is like an airhorn. |
| 08:37.29 | clever | and the AC97 sound card doesnt beep at all right now |
| 08:37.46 | clever | i had to dig thru the kernel config just to get the hda intel to beep |
| 08:37.49 | Taroven | I've actually heard it from outside two floors down across the damn parking lot. |
| 08:37.57 | clever | CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP=y |
| 08:37.57 | clever | CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP_MODE=1 |
| 08:38.03 | clever | LOL |
| 08:38.12 | clever | hda intel isnt that bad:P |
| 08:38.27 | clever | mostly because they cheaped out, one speaker in the laptop |
| 08:38.37 | clever | no stereo for you! |
| 08:38.40 | Taroven | lawl. |
| 08:39.23 | Taroven | I honestly don't feel bad about disabling the beep on my rig. Never did like how often linux likes to beep at me anyway. |
| 08:39.27 | clever | the older ac97 drivers did actualy beep, but it had a neat artifact |
| 08:39.35 | clever | it beeped thru the internal speakers, never the headphones |
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| 08:39.41 | Taroven | Ooo, nice. |
| 08:39.51 | clever | it switched back to internal speakers, beeped, then switched |
| 08:40.03 | Taroven | I could live with that on a laptop, as long as the beep itself wasn't horribly loud. |
| 08:40.04 | clever | causing a blurt of whatever you where listening to, to exit the main speaker |
| 08:40.12 | Taroven | XD |
| 08:40.27 | clever | so if you have a porno open and you hit tab once too much in bash, everybody hears it:P |
| 08:40.42 | Taroven | That's just awesome. |
| 08:40.45 | Dagmar | WHY were you looking at porn in public? |
| 08:40.51 | clever | just an example |
| 08:41.17 | Taroven | "I was just -" "OH BABY-beep-GOD" "...nevermind." |
| 08:41.34 | clever | much too short for that |
| 08:41.47 | clever | though i could increase the beep lenght with xset |
| 08:41.53 | Taroven | May depend on the porno. |
| 08:42.27 | clever | the hda_intel also has a major conflict with gnome |
| 08:42.34 | clever | if i start gnome up, the beep is permantly muted in X |
| 08:42.40 | Taroven | Huh. |
| 08:42.54 | clever | if i ctrl+alt+f1 before gnome can fully init, it works |
| 08:43.30 | Taroven | I usually find it to be the opposite. I had to go through all sorts of hell to disable the beep in gnome, while it was perfectly silent in a pure term. |
| 08:43.40 | Taroven | STILL trying to figure that one out. |
| 08:43.43 | Kalroth | why would a piece of hardware have a major conflict with gnome |
| 08:44.03 | clever | gnome is somehow interception the X11 event from xterm->x11 |
| 08:44.19 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 08:44.27 | clever | the event to beep doesnt reach hardware until it goes in and out of the X server |
| 08:44.37 | clever | but if i'm in a text console the moment gnome starts, it doesnt break it |
| 08:44.42 | Kalroth | Taroven: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 08:45.16 | Taroven | Kalroth: Didn't work for some reason. I had to do some other crap which I don't even remember. |
| 08:45.24 | Taroven | T'was ages ago. |
| 08:45.52 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 08:45.59 | Arrowmaster | pcspkr isnt used when in gnome i dont think |
| 08:46.20 | Arrowmaster | theres a setting in the sound options for sound theme that you can change the beep sound in |
| 08:46.27 | clever | now that ive got process accounting enabled, i should see what gnome spawns during startup |
| 08:46.34 | clever | Arrowmaster: that entire config UI is missing |
| 08:46.48 | Arrowmaster | are you on failbuntu? |
| 08:46.50 | clever | however, i have it set to beep&flash (the $HOME is shared with a 'working' gnome) |
| 08:46.53 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 08:46.56 | clever | i used ubuntu to set it:P |
| 08:47.00 | clever | gentoo is whats missing the config |
| 08:47.21 | Taroven | That explains a lot. |
| 08:47.27 | clever | the system menu in gnome-panel is unusualy bare under gentoo |
| 08:48.01 | Taroven | I'm not entirely sure if I could do Gentoo... But then again it's been a looong time since I gave it a shot. |
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| 08:49.18 | Taroven | Lots more confident with my cli-fu these days though. I might just have to do some chrooting. |
| 08:49.45 | clever | every single gentoo install i have was done from a stage3 chroot |
| 08:50.04 | Arrowmaster | i was forced to install fedora last thursday |
| 08:50.09 | clever | and that reminds me, i was thinking about installing portage to one of my non-gentoo systems to try converting it over bit by bit |
| 08:50.16 | Arrowmaster | literally forced |
| 08:50.30 | Taroven | Arrowmaster: How is one forced into fedora... and WHY. |
| 08:50.35 | clever | redhat9 was my first distro, and i ran it for a while |
| 08:50.43 | clever | then i discovered linux 2.4 was accient :P |
| 08:50.49 | Arrowmaster | its what we are using in my class on thursday nights |
| 08:50.54 | Taroven | Ick. |
| 08:50.59 | Arrowmaster | fedora 13 |
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| 08:51.37 | Taroven | I'll be honest, I started with ubuntu back in the 6.04 days. Kept an install chillin on a spare partition for a long time. |
| 08:52.17 | Taroven | Came back it it around 8.04, still couldn't get into it, again on 9.04, and finally said "screw this" and went for debian. |
| 08:52.32 | clever | ok, tput bel does nothing in :2 |
| 08:52.34 | clever | but works in :0 |
| 08:52.57 | clever | 'DISPLAY=:2 tput bel' works, when in :0 |
| 08:53.05 | Arrowmaster | im ashamed to admit i had 6.04 on my laptop at one point, in my defense i never used the laptop |
| 08:53.06 | Taroven | Haven't touched my windows install since (except for once when grub managed to lose everything except for it...). |
| 08:53.20 | clever | DISPLAY=:0.0 fails, when in :2 |
| 08:53.36 | clever | so its not the server itself thats unable, its the server being up |
| 08:53.49 | clever | or the tty |
| 08:54.27 | clever | nope, sending a bell to /dev/tty{1,6,7,8} works fine, and is a diff bell |
| 08:54.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah that bell is done with the pcspkr |
| 08:54.56 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a pcspkr so i dont hear it |
| 08:55.18 | clever | so then why is gnome breaking beeps only when i switch to :2 |
| 08:55.27 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 08:55.33 | Taroven | ^ |
| 08:55.47 | clever | :2 i started normaly, :0 i switched to tty1 before gnome could init |
| 08:55.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont mess with multiple screen setups |
| 08:56.01 | clever | i have the same problem on :0 if i dont include my 'fix' |
| 08:56.15 | clever | i'm only running both to compare them |
| 08:56.22 | Taroven | Never really mess with 'em myself either... perfectly happy with a few guake tabs. |
| 08:56.49 | clever | cat ~/.xinitrc |
| 08:56.49 | clever | sudo chvt 1 |
| 08:56.55 | clever | this is currently the only way to fix beeping |
| 08:57.22 | Arrowmaster | must be a gentoo specific problem |
| 08:57.36 | Arrowmaster | because it works fine for me |
| 08:58.06 | clever | or i just have a much newer version then you |
| 08:58.19 | clever | gnome-base/libgnome-2.28.0 |
| 08:58.28 | clever | gnome-base/gnome-session-2.30.2 |
| 08:58.50 | clever | Arrowmaster: you? |
| 08:59.30 | Taroven | libgnome2-0: Installed: 2.30.0-1 - Do I win? =P |
| 08:59.54 | Arrowmaster | libgnome2-0: Installed: 2.30.0-1 |
| 08:59.57 | clever | [ebuild U ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.30.0 [2.28.0] USE="-branding -debug -doc -esd" 1,696 kB |
| 09:00.00 | clever | ah, an update |
| 09:00.04 | clever | update time then! |
| 09:00.32 | Arrowmaster | gnome-session: Installed: 2.30.2-3 |
| 09:00.33 | Taroven | nicotinenicotine |
| 09:00.39 | Taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.18 | clever | and theres my 2nd gentoo problem |
| 09:02.27 | clever | this wireless driver randomly fails, leaving my with no link |
| 09:03.39 | clever | now that libgnome is updated, i can test it quickly |
| 09:03.50 | Taroven | Fuck me it's cold out there... |
| 09:04.15 | clever | nope, not fixed |
| 09:05.10 | clever | Total: 239 packages (190 upgrades, 43 new, 6 in new slots, 1 uninstall), Size of downloads: 240,702 kB |
| 09:05.18 | clever | ahh, --deep makes a huge difference |
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| 09:08.34 | Taroven | Hmm... can't remember what firefox addon stopped tabs from background loading at startup. |
| 09:09.32 | Taroven | browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs = 0 is fine and dandy until you start firefox with 30-ish tabs and it still wants to load them ALL at once. |
| 09:09.47 | clever | Taroven: 350 tabs open.... |
| 09:09.57 | Taroven | Been there, done that. =P |
| 09:10.14 | clever | it eats 1gig of memory just opening it |
| 09:10.25 | Taroven | Tabcandy/panorama/whateverthehellyouwannacallit only serves to feed the addiction. |
| 09:10.27 | clever | yesterday i started with images/js on by mistake |
| 09:10.29 | clever | it ate 2.4gig |
| 09:10.38 | clever | then OOM'd and triggered an assert:P |
| 09:10.46 | clever | exactly |
| 09:11.06 | clever | panorama seems to also eat more cpu then it should |
| 09:11.08 | Taroven | Which brings up another question, why the heck does panorama lose track of where you put tabs when restarting the browser or exiting private browsing? -.- |
| 09:11.19 | clever | i started profiling and tweaking it, and its still using more then it claims it should |
| 09:11.38 | clever | ive found it knows what group the tab is in, but is drawing it outside that group |
| 09:11.45 | clever | resize the group and it recovers |
| 09:11.51 | Taroven | Grr. |
| 09:12.03 | Taroven | Not a great workaround if you ask me. |
| 09:12.21 | Taroven | Rather just have it do things right from the start. |
| 09:12.34 | clever | yeah |
| 09:13.47 | Taroven | Ah ha. BarTab. |
| 09:13.57 | clever | if browser.sessionstore.max_concurrent_tabs is 0, then it should resume nothing until its focus'd? |
| 09:13.59 | Taroven | That should fix one part of the problem at least... |
| 09:14.29 | Taroven | max_concurrent_tabs unloads tabs from memory after they've lost focus for a bit. |
| 09:14.52 | clever | and there goes another weird bug |
| 09:14.58 | clever | i double click on the entry to change it to 0 |
| 09:15.02 | clever | and it switches to some other tab |
| 09:15.10 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 09:15.18 | clever | then it opens the popup asking for the new value |
| 09:15.33 | clever | its not even in the same tab-group! |
| 09:15.34 | Taroven | It's a pretty nifty option in practice, you just end up seeing a lot more page loads if you're switching tabs a lot. |
| 09:16.30 | clever | i'll restart and see if it drops any |
| 09:16.33 | clever | up to 1.5gig now |
| 09:16.48 | Taroven | Just be warned that it still preloads tabs that way. |
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| 09:17.12 | Taroven | They're freed from memory after a bit, but startup's exactly the same. |
| 09:17.50 | clever | --DOCSHELL 0x3c57a400 == 876 |
| 09:18.00 | clever | --DOCSHELL 0x6b0e3600 == 684 |
| 09:18.04 | clever | mass-freeing! |
| 09:18.10 | clever | --DOCSHELL 0x4a633a00 == 3 |
| 09:18.35 | clever | now the DOMWINDOW's are dying |
| 09:18.54 | Taroven | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/67651/ - Install that and you've got a lovely memory solution. |
| 09:19.59 | Taroven | Stops firefox from background loading tabs until they're actually gonna be useful. Combine with that little memory tweak and we have ram goodness. |
| 09:20.36 | clever | 602mb ram used already |
| 09:20.49 | clever | ah, but it is done |
| 09:21.04 | airtonix | "quit Firefox 4.0" ? |
| 09:21.27 | airtonix | well guess i don't have a choice |
| 09:21.27 | clever | 4.0b9 |
| 09:23.06 | Taroven | Got firefox up to 890mb through a bunch of tab spam clicking |
| 09:23.16 | Taroven | Down to 774 within 45 seconds. =D |
| 09:23.33 | Taroven | And now the good test... ~350 tabs open. |
| 09:23.54 | Taroven | Restarted firefox with all that loaded... |
| 09:23.59 | Taroven | 208mb. |
| 09:24.04 | Taroven | And zero start lag. |
| 09:24.05 | Taroven | WIN |
| 09:24.08 | Arrowmaster | 801mb and 1576mb |
| 09:24.23 | Arrowmaster | yes i have to different firefoxes open |
| 09:24.24 | airtonix | lulz Core 0: +11.0C (crit = +100.0C) |
| 09:24.29 | Arrowmaster | s/to/two/ |
| 09:25.27 | clever | i started a new profile in /dev/shm/test just to debug stuff without 350 tabs weighing me down:P |
| 09:25.31 | Taroven | Know what feature I wanna see in panorama? |
| 09:25.41 | Taroven | Tab groups on the tab bar. |
| 09:25.57 | Taroven | Something like new-opera-style. |
| 09:26.15 | clever | Taroven: resumed with bartab, 602mb usage |
| 09:26.17 | airtonix | steven the seagull has another movie out... that looks like it was made in the 80s |
| 09:26.24 | Taroven | Not bad, clever. |
| 09:26.39 | clever | exact same as before bartab :P |
| 09:26.49 | Taroven | Huh. |
| 09:26.51 | clever | it was the session entry in about:config that cut 400mb out |
| 09:26.54 | Taroven | Mine was a drastic improvement. |
| 09:27.26 | Taroven | Either way, lovely ram-freeing there. |
| 09:28.12 | clever | it must be just storing the chrome DOM objects for every tab |
| 09:28.39 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.49 | airtonix | seagal is a walking facepalm |
| 09:29.08 | Taroven | Maybe. I still had ~50mb lower ram usage starting with one tab than with however many I was just testing with. |
| 09:29.43 | clever | Taroven: if i open a brand new profile, its ~60mb usage |
| 09:29.53 | Taroven | Hawt. |
| 09:30.52 | Taroven | I really do want opera-style tab grouping in firefox. |
| 09:30.56 | clever | and panorama still sucks cpu, as it draws each tab one by one |
| 09:31.05 | clever | i hacked the code to wait 0.5 seconds between tabs |
| 09:31.11 | clever | it still pegs a core, odd |
| 09:31.17 | Taroven | Ick. |
| 09:31.31 | clever | its now taking 4ms per tab (much faster then before) |
| 09:31.40 | clever | so it should be 4ms busy, 500ms idle |
| 09:32.08 | clever | odd, the cpu actualy went idle when i was in xterm |
| 09:32.27 | clever | only pegs when i'm looking at firefox |
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| 09:35.57 | jadakren | clear |
| 09:36.00 | jadakren | ... |
| 09:36.28 | jadakren | why does deluge need libsdl-mixer ? |
| 09:36.57 | Taroven | That's... a really good question. o.0 |
| 09:37.31 | jadakren | oh wait, one of its default plugins notifies by playing sound |
| 09:37.35 | Taroven | Possibly for sounds on completed torrents or something equally pointless? |
| 09:37.43 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:38.02 | Arrowmaster | it uses python-pygame which depends on libsdl-mixer |
| 09:38.15 | Arrowmaster | but deluge doesnt actually depend on python-pygame, you dont have to install it |
| 09:38.52 | jadakren | lol |
| 09:38.57 | jadakren | it installed libmikmod2 too |
| 09:39.20 | Arrowmaster | what distro? |
| 09:39.30 | clever | Taroven: JavaScript error: resource://bartab/prototypes.js, line 688: browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI is not a function |
| 09:39.42 | Taroven | Strange. |
| 09:39.51 | Taroven | Sec, lemme get some debug going. |
| 09:40.12 | Arrowmaster | jadakren: libsdl-mixer1.2 depends on libmikmod2 in debian |
| 09:40.53 | Taroven | clever: No errors for me on 4.0b9. |
| 09:41.14 | Taroven | Err... b8. |
| 09:41.16 | clever | Taroven: looks to be a random error |
| 09:41.49 | clever | i see the title its fetching is sometimes false |
| 09:42.06 | clever | the game redirects me to a login page when i try to open account without a login |
| 09:42.20 | clever | however bartab is showing account in the title, because it isnt aware of the redirect |
| 09:42.33 | Taroven | Makes sense. |
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| 09:42.46 | clever | yeo |
| 09:42.59 | clever | JavaScript strict warning: chrome://global/content/bindings/browser.xml, line 189: reference to undefined property this.webNavigation.LOAD_FLAGS_FROM_EXTERNAL |
| 09:43.07 | clever | this one might be firefox not bartab |
| 09:43.26 | Taroven | I'd assume firefox for that one. |
| 09:43.54 | clever | and cpu is pegged again |
| 09:44.34 | clever | its better, but not fully cured |
| 09:45.42 | Taroven | Completely random side note, but I'm really curious as to why shift-play doesn't work as a global keybind, yet it registers just fine... |
| 09:45.58 | clever | WARNING: Overflowed nscoord_MAX in conversion to nscoord: file ../../dist/include/nsCoord.h, line 359 |
| 09:46.07 | clever | odd that panorama is causing so many of these |
| 09:46.32 | Taroven | Perhaps something to do with naming. Play on its own is shown as XF86AudioPause while shift-play is <Shift>XF86AudioPlay. o.0 |
| 09:47.03 | clever | wtf |
| 09:47.06 | Taroven | My keyboard confuses me... |
| 09:47.13 | clever | if i hit volume up up down down |
| 09:47.17 | clever | it goes up up up down |
| 09:47.40 | Taroven | Perhaps better than left right left right? |
| 09:47.55 | clever | heh, if i do up down up down up down |
| 09:48.01 | clever | it goes down up down up down up :P |
| 09:48.10 | Taroven | lulz. |
| 09:48.29 | clever | time to install xev and peek at the events |
| 09:48.46 | Taroven | Prolly just gnome being smacktarded. |
| 09:48.52 | clever | ugh, event spam from gnomes popup |
| 09:49.40 | Taroven | Hm. Pulseaudio irks me sometimes. |
| 09:49.56 | clever | odd, i dont see the volume key at all |
| 09:49.57 | Arrowmaster | just uninstall it |
| 09:50.10 | Taroven | Meh, I like it too much. |
| 09:50.27 | clever | kill it! |
| 09:50.30 | clever | ask Dagmar :P |
| 09:50.52 | Taroven | I've never had a huge problem with it. |
| 09:51.28 | clever | JavaScript error: resource://bartab/prototypes.js, line 688: browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI is not a function |
| 09:51.39 | clever | Taroven: seems to happen when i switch to an offline tab from panorama |
| 09:51.46 | clever | JavaScript error: resource://bartab/prototypes.js, line 688: browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI is not a function |
| 09:51.55 | clever | or not, every tab i switch to is doing it |
| 09:51.59 | clever | and not loading |
| 09:52.19 | Taroven | Little irks with other stuff involving pulse (ie, Wine being retarded and using hw:0 instead of default for some reason), but I really do enjoy having a serverside EQ and desktop spectrum analyzer. =P |
| 09:52.28 | Arrowmaster | i doubt xev will help much, i just see the same events for all 3 of my volume keys |
| 09:52.38 | Taroven | Huh. Lemme try that myself. |
| 09:52.40 | Arrowmaster | wine doesnt use pulse at all |
| 09:53.34 | Taroven | Correct, but with the right setup it doesn't matter. |
| 09:53.56 | Taroven | clever: Still not getting it. |
| 09:54.08 | Arrowmaster | ive always heard that you had to use the pulse wrapper program for wine if you used pulse |
| 09:55.02 | Taroven | Arrowmaster: Incorrect. All you need to do is set Pulse as the ALSA 'default' device (or set up a dedicated pulse device in asound.conf, either works), then set Wine to use that device. |
| 09:55.27 | clever | Taroven: about:buildconfig |
| 09:55.29 | clever | Built from https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/df3c1150dd7a |
| 09:56.04 | Taroven | You end up with Wine sending audio to ALSA which is then piped through Pulse and back to ALSA. Little fucked up but not terribly demanding on the cpu, and very good results all around. |
| 09:56.34 | clever | ive played with JACK and wine before |
| 09:56.46 | clever | was piping the audio from one program into ventrilo's mic input |
| 09:56.50 | Taroven | Mine's just a generic install from repos. |
| 09:57.03 | Taroven | Get Mangler, never screw with vent on wine again. =P |
| 09:57.10 | clever | Taroven: it should still show the revision# |
| 09:57.47 | Taroven | All I see is build platform/target and tools. |
| 09:57.53 | Taroven | And config args. |
| 09:58.04 | clever | ah, maybe they checked it out without the .hg folder |
| 09:58.15 | Nobgul | I tried to use vent on wine once. It made me cry |
| 09:58.26 | Taroven | I <3 Mangler. |
| 09:58.32 | Nobgul | Although Wow runs pretty damn good lol |
| 09:58.39 | clever | bigest vent+wine problem is the PTT key |
| 09:58.48 | clever | PTT only works inside other wine'd apps |
| 09:58.49 | Taroven | Heh, I remember key repeat issues in ubuntu. THAT was fun. |
| 09:58.53 | clever | for example, wow |
| 09:58.57 | Taroven | "Why... is my character not walking." |
| 09:58.58 | greppy | gets better frame rates under wine than natively in windows. |
| 09:59.03 | Taroven | Same. |
| 09:59.21 | Nobgul | I accually think I am using mumble atm |
| 09:59.30 | clever | Taroven: i get that in gentoo also, its running, with 1 foot forward and never stepping:P |
| 09:59.37 | greppy | needs to break down and get curse client installed under wine. |
| 09:59.38 | clever | but i either use left+right or numlock to run |
| 09:59.41 | Nobgul | Taroven, you use ubuntu as well? |
| 09:59.54 | clever | greppy: i tried, it needs .net to work |
| 09:59.58 | Taroven | Nobgul: Naw, debian squeeze/sid hybrid these days. |
| 10:00.00 | greppy | oof |
| 10:00.14 | Nobgul | ah. I still use ubuntu. Its my fav. |
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| 10:00.18 | greppy | maybe I'll just reboot into windows to update lol |
| 10:00.22 | Arrowmaster | curse client 4 will never run under wine afaik |
| 10:00.30 | Taroven | clever: There's an easy fix somewhere in the gnome prefs, I can't remember exactly where though. |
| 10:00.45 | clever | Taroven: for the PTT key in vent, its a limit of wine |
| 10:00.50 | clever | it cant keylogg non-wine apps |
| 10:01.21 | Taroven | Was talking about the running thing =P |
| 10:01.23 | Nobgul | Back to cleaning out my desk I cant find my final fantasy install dvd /cry |
| 10:01.27 | clever | the fix, is a tiny c app that spies on /dev/input and uses c X calls to push/release A inside vent |
| 10:01.34 | clever | Taroven: ah that, i fixed with xset r |
| 10:01.50 | clever | Taroven: it wasnt really a problem until i tried to access the orders menu in unreal tournement |
| 10:01.57 | clever | it opened/closed on every repeat:P |
| 10:02.04 | Taroven | Heh, I can see that being a problem. |
| 10:02.27 | clever | i just dont hold keys much in wow |
| 10:02.36 | Taroven | Speaking of random other wine issues, still trying to figure out why mass effect only gets like 5 fps in wine. |
| 10:02.44 | clever | however, i think it spam-kicked me ONCE, when i was holding a spell for a quest item i had to spam |
| 10:02.56 | Taroven | XD |
| 10:03.13 | clever | and something i have noticed in several areas |
| 10:03.27 | clever | the WOW protocol trusts the client for way too much |
| 10:03.33 | Taroven | Yes, yes it does. |
| 10:03.37 | clever | /follow will break if i lag any, asif the client was doing the steering/movement |
| 10:03.49 | Arrowmaster | most mmos have that problem |
| 10:03.53 | clever | those spammers in stormwind can fly on level 1 characters, and spell a website in mid-air:P |
| 10:03.57 | Arrowmaster | since its part of the required design |
| 10:04.02 | Taroven | The ones that don't tend to be a bit more annoying though. |
| 10:04.26 | Taroven | Guild Wars is serverside for some of the strangest things... like camera angle. |
| 10:04.34 | clever | i suspect the spammers are using a custom client, which just sets the x/y/z coords of the char |
| 10:04.41 | Arrowmaster | guild wars isnt a typical mmo |
| 10:04.59 | clever | Taroven: thats one thing i would never even inform the server about |
| 10:05.19 | Arrowmaster | not a custom client, just fly hacks |
| 10:05.29 | Taroven | You'd think it'd be common sense to have camera placement be purely clientside, but nope. |
| 10:05.30 | clever | Arrowmaster: client mod? |
| 10:05.53 | Arrowmaster | not really a mod |
| 10:05.57 | Taroven | Get on shitty wireless, log in, and POOF you can barely even look around. |
| 10:06.09 | clever | Taroven: like dalaran :P |
| 10:06.23 | Taroven | clever: Only without the graphics lag =P |
| 10:06.27 | clever | i logged in one day, and it took 25 minutes to escape |
| 10:06.28 | Arrowmaster | think of maphack for d2, they inject into the client |
| 10:06.38 | clever | it was like 0.1 fps |
| 10:06.45 | clever | so it was imposible to street/look around |
| 10:06.49 | clever | so i had to click walk |
| 10:06.53 | clever | and then that bug kicked in |
| 10:07.03 | clever | it hit the destination, and spun in circles for 5 seconds:P |
| 10:07.09 | clever | pointing me in a random direction |
| 10:07.16 | Taroven | Only time I ever really had a problem with Dal was around the 4.0 updates when shit was crashing all over the place and there were twice as many people as usual on both of my servers. |
| 10:07.17 | clever | now i cant see where i want to go |
| 10:07.33 | clever | my good pc has no trouble with it |
| 10:07.43 | clever | however, i had to switch to the old pc one day and forgot to leave :P |
| 10:07.51 | Taroven | That just wasn't fun. Took half an hour to log in and another half hour for the damn portals to show up. After that, all kosher. |
| 10:08.13 | clever | same problem with flight masters used to come up all the time |
| 10:08.27 | clever | id give up and fly off under my own steam:P |
| 10:08.32 | Taroven | Heh |
| 10:08.48 | clever | however, now i can just /target and hit the interact keybind |
| 10:08.56 | clever | dont have to wait for the NPC to render |
| 10:09.18 | Taroven | Haven't played since november, didn't even know about that. =P |
| 10:12.48 | Dezzimal | CompactRaidFrameManagerDisplayFrameLeaderOptionsRaidWorldMarkerButton |
| 10:12.53 | Dezzimal | I don't even. |
| 10:12.57 | Taroven | wtf. |
| 10:13.50 | clever | Taroven: wtf, i open a new tab and wind up in a blank tab-group |
| 10:14.00 | Taroven | o.0 |
| 10:16.29 | jnwhiteh | Dezzimal: why does the length of the name matter? |
| 10:16.36 | jnwhiteh | hint: it doesn't =) |
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| 10:17.01 | Fisker | you say the same about penises :( |
| 10:17.39 | Taroven | http://kotaku.com/5729340/you-can-now-bring-the-real-world-to-minecraft - I... really don't know what to think. |
| 10:17.46 | Dezzimal | It is not the size of the name, it is the address it points to that counts. |
| 10:18.21 | Dezzimal | I think that is the record holder for the default UI right there though |
| 10:18.38 | Taroven | Save file site got 503'd, sad. I kinda wanted to check that out. |
| 10:18.44 | clever | JavaScript error: resource://bartab/prototypes.js, line 688: browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI is not a function |
| 10:19.08 | clever | Taroven: and that was on a site i added to the exclude list too:( |
| 10:19.33 | Taroven | Might be an excuse to look into the source to see wtf is going on. |
| 10:20.01 | jnwhiteh | is there a slash command to run a macro? |
| 10:20.24 | Taroven | jnwhiteh: afaik, only if it's on a hotbar |
| 10:20.36 | Taroven | In which case you'd just /click it. |
| 10:20.54 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 10:21.57 | clever | Taroven: resource://bartab/prototypes.js, ctrl+f for browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI |
| 10:22.02 | clever | you can see its within a settimeout |
| 10:22.36 | Arrowmaster | Taroven: im thinking of how to trick greifers into goatse'ing a server with it |
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| 10:24.38 | Taroven | Arrowmaster: Hm... That'd be some pretty complex social engineering or something. |
| 10:24.59 | Arrowmaster | the results would be hilarious though |
| 10:25.40 | Taroven | clever: Your search - browser.webNavigation._pauseLoadURI - did not match any documents. - Fuck you google. |
| 10:25.52 | clever | Taroven: open the url in firefox and then ctrl+f |
| 10:26.08 | clever | resource://bartab is a special url that will work when bartab is installed |
| 10:26.22 | Taroven | I did, was seeing about some extra info and such. |
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| 10:26.45 | clever | resource:// and chrome:// are internal stuff for firefox |
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| 10:27.45 | Taroven | Quite aware. You'd generally think that if the author is calling what seems to be a predefined function that said function would exist elsewhere. |
| 10:28.04 | Taroven | In this case... No idea. |
| 10:28.12 | Taroven | And it's 5:30am. Whoops. >.>; |
| 10:28.20 | clever | ok, the latest round of updates hasnt fixed beeping |
| 10:28.27 | clever | instead, it broke mouse:P |
| 10:28.32 | Taroven | Doh. |
| 10:28.41 | clever | xf86-input-mouse needs reinstall |
| 10:29.05 | clever | it did warn me:P |
| 10:29.13 | Taroven | Heh |
| 10:29.26 | Arrowmaster | you still use input-mouse? |
| 10:29.27 | clever | it also broke keyboard, so ctrl+alt+f1 wont work |
| 10:29.39 | clever | Arrowmaster: what else would there be? |
| 10:30.29 | Arrowmaster | evdev |
| 10:31.12 | clever | its also installed |
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| 10:31.44 | clever | ok, now tput bel does even less! |
| 10:31.52 | clever | no flash of the screen and no sound |
| 10:32.21 | Arrowmaster | what terminal? |
| 10:32.35 | clever | xterm, and it works fine if i block gnome in a certain way |
| 10:32.53 | clever | either ctrl+alt+f1 before gnome starts, or disable gnome completely |
| 10:33.16 | clever | its not the terminal, i know that much |
| 10:33.20 | Taroven | Bed tiems nao kthxbai |
| 10:33.20 | Arrowmaster | xterm xterm, or uxterm xterm |
| 10:33.26 | Taroven | passes out. |
| 10:33.39 | clever | Arrowmaster: just plain 'xterm' |
| 10:33.44 | clever | xterm -fg white -bg black |
| 10:33.55 | Arrowmaster | works for me |
| 10:34.06 | clever | thats because you dont have an hda_intel sound card |
| 10:34.17 | Arrowmaster | yes i do |
| 10:34.27 | clever | ah, ok, what distro then? |
| 10:34.31 | Arrowmaster | debian |
| 10:34.34 | clever | and is it that ungodly loud beep? |
| 10:34.52 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:35.05 | Arrowmaster | its the one i set in the gnome sound prefs |
| 10:35.16 | clever | cant even access those options |
| 10:35.27 | clever | whats the app called in ps aux? |
| 10:36.51 | Arrowmaster | gnome-volume-control.gstreamer |
| 10:37.27 | clever | not installed, so it shouldnt be messing with the damn beep in the first place! :P |
| 10:37.37 | Arrowmaster | try just gnome-volume-control |
| 10:38.01 | clever | bash: gnome-volume-control: command not found |
| 10:38.24 | Arrowmaster | maybe thats why its breaking |
| 10:38.24 | Nobgul | ps aux | grep volume |
| 10:38.48 | clever | Nobgul: nothin |
| 10:38.52 | Nobgul | =( |
| 10:38.56 | Arrowmaster | maybe gnome-session is doing something funny and since you dont have it stuff breaks |
| 10:38.59 | clever | gnome-audio isnt it either, all it gave was .wav files |
| 10:39.30 | clever | Arrowmaster: seems kinda dumb to turn something off, and then run an app to fix it |
| 10:39.39 | clever | the app should turn that off on its own |
| 10:39.47 | Nobgul | what distro u using? |
| 10:39.50 | clever | gentoo |
| 10:40.11 | clever | Arrowmaster: i know its something gnome-session starts, because if i make xterm the session manager, it works |
| 10:40.16 | Arrowmaster | ok check gconf for /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds |
| 10:40.19 | clever | then if i run gnome-session, it breaks, and doesnt recover |
| 10:40.41 | clever | dont think i have the gconf ui installed:P |
| 10:41.08 | Arrowmaster | use gconftool-2 then |
| 10:41.33 | clever | emerge -av1 gconf-editor |
| 10:41.51 | Arrowmaster | gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds |
| 10:42.09 | clever | Arrowmaster: false |
| 10:42.33 | Arrowmaster | ok thats the problem |
| 10:43.00 | Arrowmaster | gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds true |
| 10:43.09 | clever | its set to both beep and flash, atleast thats what i set it to under ubuntu (same $HOME) |
| 10:43.43 | clever | Arrowmaster: nope, nothing |
| 10:43.45 | Arrowmaster | you cant trust ubuntu |
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| 10:44.28 | Arrowmaster | ok try this |
| 10:44.39 | Arrowmaster | gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/sound/theme_name |
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| 10:44.46 | clever | freedesktop |
| 10:45.17 | Arrowmaster | that works for me |
| 10:45.30 | clever | find / -mount|grep freedesktop doesnt turn up anything gnome looking |
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| 10:46.55 | clever | Arrowmaster: does it find anything gnome lookign for you? |
| 10:47.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:47.44 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/01/09/funny-pictures-remember-yur-parrot-by/ |
| 10:48.30 | Arrowmaster | why is gnome-volume-control missing from gentoo? |
| 10:48.44 | clever | Arrowmaster: i probly didnt install it |
| 10:48.57 | Arrowmaster | why dont you install it |
| 10:49.02 | cbreak_work | maybe didn't configure the USE flag for volume control |
| 10:49.07 | clever | not sure what package its in |
| 10:49.27 | clever | gnome-alsamixer installing... |
| 10:50.58 | clever | seems to be identical to alsamixer, no real difference for the beep option |
| 10:51.27 | clever | uh oh, now it cant beep on the 'working' X server |
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| 10:52.32 | clever | and if i start a 2nd, it still cant beep there |
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| 10:54.10 | clever | so far, all we have done is make it worse and worse:P |
| 10:54.33 | Arrowmaster | the obvious solution is to install debian since it works there |
| 10:55.04 | clever | i dont have a root hard disk |
| 10:55.04 | d[karl]b | hey I spent 2 hours this afternoon trying to work out why Session.Abandon() wasn't doing anything, and I still don't know why |
| 10:55.11 | clever | debian wont like that:P |
| 10:55.11 | d[karl]b | so chin up |
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| 11:09.27 | clever | ok, beep works but tput bel doesnt |
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| 11:15.12 | clever | Taroven: uh oh |
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| 11:15.27 | clever | Taroven: its unloading idle tabs, even though they are on the exclude list |
| 11:15.42 | clever | actualy they arent, wtf |
| 11:15.46 | clever | i hit the button to add them |
| 11:16.07 | clever | JavaScript error: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul, line 1: gBrowser.BarTabHandler.toggleHostWhitelist is not a function |
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| 12:16.39 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 12:32.16 | jnwhiteh | I am super shocked that Mojang/Notch are migrating FROM git to svn |
| 12:32.17 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:32.26 | jnwhiteh | sounds like they just didn't know how to use it and didn't want to learn |
| 12:32.50 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 12:32.52 | Kalroth | git sux |
| 12:32.58 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: qq |
| 12:33.10 | jnwhiteh | you know what sucks more? |
| 12:33.10 | jnwhiteh | svn |
| 12:33.30 | Kalroth | svn got one major advantage: it aint git! |
| 12:33.46 | krka | i thought it was designed to not be cvs |
| 12:33.48 | jnwhiteh | you know what |
| 12:33.54 | jnwhiteh | every other scm that isn't git has that same advantage |
| 12:34.05 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: svn is better than them though! |
| 12:34.08 | jnwhiteh | and almost all of them are better than svn |
| 12:34.13 | jnwhiteh | and now I know you're an idiot |
| 12:34.21 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:34.28 | Kalroth | says the git lover |
| 12:34.29 | Arrowmaster | there are a lot that are worse than svn too |
| 12:34.33 | jnwhiteh | I'm not a git lover |
| 12:34.40 | jnwhiteh | but svn is terrible, just plain out. |
| 12:34.57 | Arrowmaster | the recent svn drama was hilarious btw |
| 12:34.59 | krka | svn is fine as long as your history will always be completely linear |
| 12:35.03 | Kalroth | git is fine if you're a finnish kernel developer |
| 12:35.04 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 12:35.16 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: okay. you don't need to spread more of your git hate |
| 12:35.18 | jnwhiteh | we know you hate git |
| 12:35.20 | jnwhiteh | you've made it clear |
| 12:35.23 | jnwhiteh | but don't defend svn =) |
| 12:35.23 | cbreak_work | git's fine :) |
| 12:35.30 | Kalroth | but i have to counter your git lovin' |
| 12:35.34 | cbreak_work | what svn drama? |
| 12:35.39 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: I'm not spreading any git loving.. |
| 12:35.40 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 12:35.41 | jnwhiteh | fail. |
| 12:35.43 | Kalroth | otherwise it wont be a neutral discussion |
| 12:35.48 | Kalroth | <jnwhiteh> sounds like they just didn't know how to use it and didn't want to learn |
| 12:35.54 | Kalroth | didn't want to learn |
| 12:35.57 | jnwhiteh | if they're going back to svn |
| 12:36.01 | jnwhiteh | that must be the case |
| 12:36.03 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/01/04/0248206/Apache-Subversion-To-WANdisco-Inc-Get-Real |
| 12:36.07 | jnwhiteh | because svn is truly terrible |
| 12:36.08 | Kalroth | didn't want to learn == "UR DUM FOR NOT USING GIT" |
| 12:36.14 | clever | jnwhiteh: what about git vs hg? |
| 12:36.16 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: .. .no |
| 12:36.21 | jnwhiteh | clever: they're both better than svn |
| 12:36.27 | jnwhiteh | which is the whole point of me bringing this up |
| 12:36.34 | jnwhiteh | bitbucket, hg, git, fossil |
| 12:36.35 | Kalroth | see, now jnwhiteh wont admit he spoons with git |
| 12:36.36 | jnwhiteh | i dont care what you use |
| 12:36.38 | jnwhiteh | btu svn is terrible |
| 12:36.51 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: ^^^ |
| 12:36.55 | clever | i'm using svn on some of my own stuff |
| 12:36.57 | Arrowmaster | damnit i must be tired |
| 12:37.04 | clever | havent bothered to convert things to git |
| 12:37.04 | Arrowmaster | mixing up whos saying what |
| 12:37.17 | krka | nah jnwhiteh, svn is only crap if you need to merge |
| 12:37.29 | krka | in my experience anyway |
| 12:37.29 | Arrowmaster | wait no im not, you both asked |
| 12:37.30 | jnwhiteh | krka: the speed of svn is painful, truly painful |
| 12:37.40 | jnwhiteh | but yes, for linear histories it can be 'okay' |
| 12:37.45 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: you're getting old |
| 12:37.50 | Arrowmaster | i am |
| 12:37.59 | krka | i recently tried having my git repo on a usb stick |
| 12:38.03 | krka | it worked surprisingly well |
| 12:38.18 | jnwhiteh | this surprised you? |
| 12:38.25 | jnwhiteh | even svn works well on usb stick :P |
| 12:38.25 | Arrowmaster | even after svn 1.5 improved merging, people still refuse to use it because its too much of a pita |
| 12:38.32 | krka | one time i pulled it out without it having flushed, so i got a corrupted file. easily fixed though since it's distributed, i could just get a clean copy from one of the computers |
| 12:38.40 | jnwhiteh | ah yeah |
| 12:38.49 | krka | i've never tried svn on a usb stick, and i am guessing it would be prone to corruption |
| 12:39.10 | Arrowmaster | svn repo on a usb stick is a disaster waiting to happen unless you have the svn client on it too |
| 12:39.12 | krka | and it would run all commits to usb directly, with git i can do it when i enter / leave that computer |
| 12:39.42 | Arrowmaster | whenever svn client version changes it fucks with the repo and is never backwards compatible |
| 12:39.58 | jnwhiteh | blarg |
| 12:40.09 | clever | Arrowmaster: yeah, ive touched a few checkouts with gentoo svn |
| 12:40.16 | clever | now i cant do a thing from ubuntu svn |
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| 12:40.34 | Kalroth | sounds like you just didn't know how to use it and didn't want to learn |
| 12:40.51 | clever | svn status |
| 12:40.51 | clever | svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '.'. You need |
| 12:40.51 | clever | to get a newer Subversion client, or to downgrade this working copy. |
| 12:41.05 | clever | Kalroth: not much i can do about that, it just needs an update now |
| 12:42.07 | krka | jnwhiteh: have a reference to the mojang/notch migration? |
| 12:42.25 | jnwhiteh | was just a bit on the end of his post |
| 12:42.25 | jnwhiteh | http://notch.tumblr.com/post/2623477410/strategy-meeting-day-results |
| 12:42.31 | jnwhiteh | Oh, and Iâve finally committed the Music Blocks to the repository. |
| 12:42.31 | jnwhiteh | (Oh, wait, no, I didnât.. Doing so broke git, so weâre changing to svn because git is horrible and evil) |
| 12:43.09 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 12:43.26 | Arrowmaster | HOW THE FUCK DO YOU BREAK GIT BY COMMITTING YOUR CODE! |
| 12:43.31 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:43.46 | jnwhiteh | s/GIT/AN SCM/ |
| 12:46.08 | Arrowmaster | makes me tempted to dust off my never used twitter account to ask him why |
| 12:47.42 | jnwhiteh | he talked with some people about it |
| 12:47.50 | jnwhiteh | but I didn't see any responses with inf |
| 12:47.51 | jnwhiteh | info |
| 12:47.59 | jnwhiteh | it'd come off as fanboi-ish either way :P |
| 12:48.15 | Arrowmaster | i searched for git and saw nothing |
| 12:48.36 | Arrowmaster | although didnt twitter do something so you cant see replies now? |
| 12:49.24 | Arrowmaster | nvm i think that was something to do with following people |
| 12:49.27 | Arrowmaster | which im not |
| 12:50.42 | krka | i am not sure i would buy a game from developers who managed to break their scm by committing |
| 12:50.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:51.09 | clever | that reminds me, i paid for minecraft, and couldnt even leave the starting block |
| 12:51.17 | clever | the keyboard doesnt work when minicraft has focus |
| 12:51.20 | clever | not even alt+tab! |
| 12:51.26 | jnwhiteh | works fine for me |
| 12:51.30 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 12:51.43 | clever | could have been the java vm i had |
| 12:51.53 | Arrowmaster | and i was even using openjdk which they say not to use for some crazy reason |
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| 12:52.03 | krka | openjdk never works, ime |
| 12:52.09 | krka | unfortunately |
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| 12:52.25 | Arrowmaster | ive never had a problem with it |
| 12:53.05 | Arrowmaster | the browser plugin is nothing but trouble though but i dont think thats related to openjdk specifically |
| 12:53.17 | jnwhiteh | yeah must use the downloaded version :P |
| 12:53.32 | clever | i was using the downloaded one |
| 12:53.37 | clever | dont have the plugin even installed |
| 12:53.52 | Arrowmaster | openjdk runs minecraft perfectly for me |
| 12:54.02 | mitch0 | what's the fav arena frames addon nowadays? |
| 12:54.07 | clever | looks like i have icedtea6 installed right now |
| 12:54.19 | Arrowmaster | that is the plugin |
| 12:54.31 | clever | its showing up under 'eselect java-vm list' |
| 12:55.17 | clever | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.1) (Gentoo build 1.6.0_18-b18) |
| 12:55.27 | clever | OpenJDK Server VM (build 16.0-b13, mixed mode) |
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| 13:28.35 | clever | Arrowmaster: woo, the update did fix one thing |
| 13:28.40 | clever | xterm's menu now opens instantly |
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| 13:54.18 | Fisker | jnwhiteh my friend |
| 13:56.43 | karl_w_w | Fisker my lover |
| 13:57.33 | Fisker | no karl_w_w :( |
| 13:57.35 | Fisker | i has problem |
| 13:57.47 | Fisker | it looks like my Nexus One won't make or receive calls when wifi is on :( |
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| 14:01.26 | karl_w_w | effing modem |
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| 14:03.22 | Lunessa | *mumble*station*mumble* |
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| 14:07.05 | Kraps | pours Gatorade on Lunessa |
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| 14:10.22 | Cairenn|afk | wakes up Lunessa, alestane too |
| 14:10.29 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: Your vent server is all mean and junk, kicking me for inactivity :( |
| 14:10.44 | alestane | purrs at Cairenn. |
| 14:11.10 | Fisker | mumble |Jelly| |
| 14:11.11 | Lunessa | rawr baby, yeah. |
| 14:11.18 | Fisker | hisses at alestane |
| 14:11.27 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: I set the time out at like 2 hours. |
| 14:12.07 | |Jelly| | Yeah but that really kills me just never leaving vent. :P |
| 14:13.02 | Lunessa | :P |
| 14:13.37 | Lunessa | brb, must restart. |
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| 14:20.30 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:21.51 | Kraps | you are a pirate |
| 14:23.19 | Cairenn|afk | radio |
| 14:23.51 | Kraps | DJ |
| 14:26.11 | Lunessa | Turn up the radio, Mr. DJ-Pirate! |
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| 14:30.31 | Lulia | Anyone here know how to choose a sub spec for alchemy? |
| 14:30.38 | Lulia | I thought it was a quest, but I never got one from the trainer |
| 14:31.15 | Lunessa | Lulia: There were three different people to give you quests - all in Outland I think |
| 14:31.46 | Lunessa | Since I can't remember who they are, your best bet is WoWhead or WoWPedia |
| 14:32.25 | Lulia | Ugh, I'm an idiot. I JUST asked that question and started a transmute before doing the subspec |
| 14:32.27 | Lulia | >.> |
| 14:33.15 | Lulia | The main issue with wowpedia and wowhead is I'm not sure how to search for a quest that I dont know the name of |
| 14:33.28 | Lulia | gonna try the trainer in Shattrath |
| 14:33.54 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: don't search for the quest name |
| 14:33.56 | jnwhiteh | search for wha you want |
| 14:34.00 | jnwhiteh | which is Elixir Mastery |
| 14:34.04 | jnwhiteh | Potion Master |
| 14:34.07 | jnwhiteh | and Transmutation Master |
| 14:34.16 | jnwhiteh | wowpedia will most certainly give you the responses you want on those |
| 14:34.55 | jnwhiteh | but for your reference, Elixir Mastery is the trainer in Shatt, Transmute Mastery is at Stormspire, in Netherstorm and Potions Mastery is.. I'm not sure,. |
| 14:36.17 | alestane | One of my toons did potion mastery...but it's literally been years, and I don't remember what I did for it. |
| 14:36.18 | Lunessa | Be advised that transmutation mastery is lots of disappointment punctuated by brief moments of joy when something useful /finally/ procs. |
| 14:36.25 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 14:36.37 | jnwhiteh | I did the elixir mastery quest, seemed the easiest to me, by far |
| 14:36.38 | alestane | Not that it can't be lucrative. |
| 14:36.55 | Fisker | jnwhiteh :( |
| 14:37.07 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: have you emailed HTC to ask about it? |
| 14:37.08 | Lunessa | Mostly it procs on things that aren't all that great - like when you're making Arcanite for someone's enchanting rod. |
| 14:37.48 | Fisker | naw jnwhiteh |
| 14:37.52 | Fisker | but i'm almost like |
| 14:38.01 | Fisker | watev i'll just get a motorola astrix 4g |
| 14:38.29 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: Thanks :) |
| 14:38.37 | Lulia | Stormspire, hmm... it's been so long |
| 14:38.45 | jnwhiteh | finding him is a pain in the ass |
| 14:38.51 | jnwhiteh | my suggestion is to not go xmute spec |
| 14:38.53 | jnwhiteh | but that's just me |
| 14:38.57 | Lulia | Ah, SMV |
| 14:39.03 | jnwhiteh | I had one spec over 3 weeks |
| 14:39.04 | Lulia | I want to go xmute |
| 14:39.26 | Lulia | I'm also a JCer ;) |
| 14:39.29 | Lulia | Xmure it perfect for me |
| 14:39.33 | Lulia | Xmute* |
| 14:39.34 | jnwhiteh | fair enough |
| 14:39.48 | Lulia | JCing is actually half the reason I picked up alchemy |
| 14:39.56 | Lulia | I do NOT want to pay those prices for meta gems. |
| 14:40.01 | Lulia | Holy ridiculous |
| 14:40.08 | jnwhiteh | don't haev a guild alchemist? |
| 14:40.25 | jnwhiteh | come to Emerald Dream, I'll xmute for you |
| 14:40.29 | jnwhiteh | no cooldowns on those gems :P |
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| 14:41.46 | Lulia | d'oh, Stormspire is Netherstorm. Nevermind. |
| 14:42.03 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that's what I said =) |
| 14:42.08 | Lulia | >.> <.< |
| 14:42.25 | Lunessa | Bah. jnwhiteh should come to US Kirin Tor. |
| 14:42.31 | Lulia | I'm sure we have a guild alchemist, but I like self sufficiency |
| 14:43.01 | Lulia | Now the only professions I don't have ready to hit max soon are Leatherworking, Inscription and Enchanting |
| 14:43.21 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 14:43.25 | jnwhiteh | I have an Alchemist/Herb |
| 14:43.29 | jnwhiteh | then I've got a 425 Tailor |
| 14:43.34 | jnwhiteh | 430 Scribe |
| 14:43.46 | jnwhiteh | i'm working on a jc |
| 14:43.52 | TMc51 | I agree with Lunessa |
| 14:43.57 | jnwhiteh | he's jc/mining |
| 14:44.47 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: You're as bad as me. I still have Leatherworking, Tailoring and Engineering to level up to max, but the other crafts are maxed. |
| 14:44.52 | Lulia | My Warlock is Tailoring/Mining, might drop the Mining for Enchanting though since my Warrior is Mining/Engineering. |
| 14:45.00 | jnwhiteh | well I have no reason to level inscription any more |
| 14:45.00 | Lulia | My DK is Blacksmithing/Herbalism |
| 14:45.07 | Lulia | And my Paladin is JCing/Alchemy |
| 14:45.12 | jnwhiteh | because 430 is fine for 99.9% of all glyphs |
| 14:45.27 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: achievements! |
| 14:45.36 | Lulia | My inscriptionist is a level 40 priest |
| 14:45.42 | jnwhiteh | mine's a 70 mage |
| 14:45.49 | Lulia | I have a druid with LWing and Skinning that's a Worgen, but she's lvl 13 or something |
| 14:46.06 | Computerpunk | I miss my free time. |
| 14:46.10 | Fisker | slaps Computerpunk around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:46.22 | Computerpunk | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 14:46.45 | Lulia | ~trout Fisker Computerpunk |
| 14:46.45 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker Computerpunk around a bit with a large trout! |
| 14:46.50 | Lulia | bah |
| 14:46.52 | Computerpunk | FAILURE. |
| 14:47.40 | Lunessa | Inscription is handy as a guild-supply role. And the off-hands/relics are nice. |
| 14:48.10 | Fisker | slaps Computerpunk around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:48.12 | TMc51 | And for those times when certain glyphs are going for over 200G. =D |
| 14:48.16 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
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| 14:48.23 | jnwhiteh | inscription is free money if you do it right |
| 14:48.42 | Lulia | Hmm, now I wish I hadn't vendored my excess primal mights |
| 14:48.54 | Lulia | People are gouging a bit too much on my server |
| 14:48.59 | Lulia | I really should level my inscriptionist |
| 14:49.13 | Lulia | 200g for Glyph of Pestilence is a bit nuts |
| 14:49.16 | Computerpunk | SCRIBE. |
| 14:49.19 | Computerpunk | NOT INSCRIPTIONIST. |
| 14:49.24 | Computerpunk | FISKER, TEACH HIM ENGLISH. NOW. |
| 14:49.30 | TMc51 | Inscriptioner! |
| 14:49.35 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Sadly, I never do it 'right' when it comes to inscription. I'm too lazy to spend the time/effort gathering and then stocking the Auction House. |
| 14:49.37 | |Jelly| | wow ragelock much |
| 14:50.01 | Lulia | I refuse to call them scribes |
| 14:50.15 | Lulia | :P |
| 14:50.17 | jnwhiteh | well, that's what they are =) |
| 14:50.22 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAG-kX_IlUw <3 |
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| 14:50.28 | Lulia | Yes, in a technical manner of speaking. |
| 14:50.41 | Computerpunk | I so quit WoW for 3 days now. |
| 14:50.44 | Computerpunk | playing Golden Sun. |
| 14:50.45 | Computerpunk | EPIC GAME |
| 14:50.50 | Lulia | But I feel they don't fulfill the full role of a scribe and thus muddle the term |
| 14:51.06 | Lulia | But I'm in the minority, so I'll try to use Scribe around you people ;) |
| 14:52.37 | Lulia | I miss the old FarmIt functionality :( |
| 14:54.19 | Computerpunk | I miss coding. |
| 14:54.35 | Lulia | The author is doing a complete rewrite, but the current beta of it lacks a lot of the features the old version had and I'm not sure the old version is up/works with the new version of WoW. I can't blame him for taking awhile with the rewrite though. I've already spent a ton of time on mine. Mostly cause I'm doing it in small bits. |
| 14:54.48 | Lulia | And I stil feel like my code could be smaller and more efficient. *sigh* |
| 14:56.06 | Lulia | I never really have had a chance to listen to Stevie Ray Vaughan. He's as impressive as advertised |
| 14:56.23 | Computerpunk | Was impressive.* |
| 14:57.00 | |Jelly| | still is imo -- music is forever :P |
| 14:57.04 | Lulia | Yup |
| 14:57.13 | Lulia | Using the present tense for this is perfectly acceptable |
| 14:57.18 | Lulia | He is currently impressing my ears |
| 14:57.23 | Lulia | And thus is currently impressive :P |
| 14:57.26 | alestane | snuggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:57.46 | Lulia | Ah yes, almost forgot. |
| 14:57.50 | Lulia | hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:58.53 | Lulia | Guitar is such an emotional instrument. Not that other instruments can't create that feeling, but I feel guitar does it on its own better than most, because of how you can manipulate it at a very fine level. |
| 14:58.59 | Lulia | It's why I love listening to it so much |
| 14:59.04 | Computerpunk | Why are all the great artists dead? |
| 14:59.24 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/angry_birds.jpg |
| 14:59.24 | Computerpunk | No, it's because of the numerous effects and that it has become standard. |
| 14:59.25 | Fisker | haste |
| 14:59.32 | Computerpunk | Bass > Guitar. |
| 14:59.33 | Computerpunk | Always. |
| 14:59.33 | alestane | That's really a factor of the musician and their relationship with the instrument, Lulia, far more than any specific instrument. |
| 14:59.51 | Computerpunk | Feeling beats effects. |
| 15:00.01 | Computerpunk | Imagine: Les Claypool. |
| 15:00.12 | Lulia | alestane: That's key too, but I feel guitarists get more freedom to do that than other musicians. |
| 15:00.21 | alestane | Listen to Peter Knight sometime. |
| 15:00.23 | Computerpunk | *cough* no. |
| 15:00.26 | Lulia | There are certainly talented musicians with other instruments, that invoke the emotions. |
| 15:00.40 | Lulia | But I still feel they don't get as much control as guitarists do |
| 15:00.46 | Lulia | And by emotions I mean feeling, Computerpunk |
| 15:00.50 | Lulia | Effects do NOT count |
| 15:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning alestane. Morning Lulia. |
| 15:01.07 | Computerpunk | Lulia, I see Stevie using maximum fuzz and gain. |
| 15:01.16 | |Jelly| | The Edge |
| 15:01.31 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfHCG6t9Gs0 |
| 15:01.34 | Computerpunk | Almost everything is bass. |
| 15:01.34 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 15:01.39 | |Jelly| | Actually, all three guitarists from It Might Get Loud |
| 15:01.48 | Lulia | He does, effects do not count to me. Specifically, they don't change it to me |
| 15:01.49 | Computerpunk | And that's 20 years ago. |
| 15:01.52 | Lulia | I instead listen to the sounds |
| 15:02.08 | Lunessa | Lulia: I disagree. Many musicians on many instruments produce amazing, moving, powerful music. The flute, the saxophone, drums, piano, harp... I could go on and on. |
| 15:02.08 | Lulia | The effects can help set a mood or a vibe, but the emotion is done by how you play the guitar. |
| 15:02.19 | alestane | Having played guitar, fiddle, piano, mandolin and whistle on different occasions, any instrument can express a huge amount of nuance if the performer understands the instrument and the music. |
| 15:02.25 | Lulia | Powerful, moving music is different than what I'm describing though |
| 15:02.58 | Lulia | If an instrument can't perform powerful and moving music with the right musician, it's probably a pretty poor instrument |
| 15:03.18 | Computerpunk | Buckethead could shred on a triangle. |
| 15:03.32 | Lulia | I'm talking specifically about the emotionality of a guitar, which is mostly received by how a musician can modulate the strings to create specific sounds that other instruments can't mimic. At least I haven't heard them do it. |
| 15:03.55 | Computerpunk | Uhm, emotion != sounds. |
| 15:04.04 | Lunessa | You need broader exposure to music. |
| 15:04.16 | Jamash | violin beats all other instruments for emotional tone, hands down |
| 15:04.16 | Lulia | My exposure to music is pretty broad |
| 15:04.19 | Lulia | Being a musician myself |
| 15:04.31 | haste | Fisker |
| 15:04.39 | Lulia | Violin is pretty strong. I should correct my statement to "stringed instruments" |
| 15:04.49 | Lulia | sans the Piano, which doesn't allow you to actually play with the strings |
| 15:04.55 | karl_w_w | catches up on convo |
| 15:05.03 | Lunessa | Lulia: ... Um, Prepared paino? |
| 15:05.06 | Jamash | and yet the piano is also one of the top instruments for emotional depth |
| 15:05.09 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adBCZSS5DZE You listen here lua_bot. |
| 15:05.39 | alestane | The piano offers damper control as well as control over striking velocity. |
| 15:05.48 | karl_w_w | the thing with xmute spec is that it earns you gold easily, if you pick potion master or elixir master is you have to put effort into actually gathering up the mats to make potions/elixirs, which a lot of people wont bother to do |
| 15:05.48 | Computerpunk | You need to listen to funk to understand Bass. You need to listen to blues to understand drums. |
| 15:05.56 | karl_w_w | but it's easy to just do your daily xmute |
| 15:06.04 | Lulia | Lunessa: Yes, but it's not the same level of modulation. You have to "prepare" it. Other stringed instruments allow you to do it on the fly. |
| 15:06.39 | alestane | Piano actually gives you a great deal of control over volume and attack. |
| 15:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | You can play the actual strings on a piano, I've seen it done, and done beautifully. |
| 15:07.01 | Lulia | It does, it also allows you to make chords, another feature that other stringed instruments have which gives them an advantage |
| 15:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Sort of a... dulcimer effect, but bigger. |
| 15:07.14 | Jamash | harpo took a piano apart and played the strings in one of the marx bros movies |
| 15:07.18 | Computerpunk | Lulia, chords are just a mix of same sounds. |
| 15:07.19 | Computerpunk | that's all. |
| 15:07.25 | Computerpunk | Sounds which you can reproduce on others instruments easily. |
| 15:07.35 | Lulia | They give fuller, richer sounds, Computerpunk |
| 15:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-bear! *huggles* |
| 15:07.40 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa! |
| 15:07.41 | Computerpunk | *cough* |
| 15:07.48 | Computerpunk | That's just what you think. |
| 15:07.57 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 15:07.57 | Computerpunk | Most of the solos you hear are composed of single notes, not chords. |
| 15:08.00 | Jamash | THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION, MAN |
| 15:08.03 | Lulia | There's really a lot of advantages to stringed instruments in general for mixing in notes and playing with harmonies, etc... which gives them an advantage. |
| 15:08.11 | Lulia | Computerpunk: I'm well aware |
| 15:08.27 | Lulia | Did I not say I was a musician myself? |
| 15:08.32 | Computerpunk | Listen to some funk. Psychedelic or deep. |
| 15:08.38 | alestane | Wind instruments offer just as much control over tonal quality. |
| 15:08.46 | Computerpunk | You'll see guitar is just a distorted + probable wah sound. |
| 15:08.56 | Lulia | There are, though, some exceptional classical guitarists who do solos which are NOT single notes |
| 15:09.00 | Lulia | And tend to be quite impressive |
| 15:09.17 | Lulia | Computerpunk: You're not looking at it properly |
| 15:09.19 | Jamash | this conversation |
| 15:09.21 | Jamash | is over |
| 15:09.33 | Lulia | My opinion has nothing to do with the effects or wah sound |
| 15:09.34 | Computerpunk | Jamash. |
| 15:09.47 | Jamash | punks Computerpunk |
| 15:09.49 | Computerpunk | Hug me! |
| 15:09.56 | Computerpunk | NO MAN, HUG! |
| 15:10.01 | Jamash | ew, computercooties |
| 15:10.02 | Lulia | This was never intended to be an argument in the first place. It was a simple comment that I got attacked over. |
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| 15:10.07 | Lulia | Which was really unnecessary |
| 15:10.13 | Jamash | THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION, MAN |
| 15:10.39 | Lulia | That's fine, and my opinion could have been stated and left alone. |
| 15:11.02 | Jamash | THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION, MAN |
| 15:11.13 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 15:11.15 | Computerpunk | Jamash |
| 15:11.18 | Lulia | Ugh |
| 15:11.25 | Lulia | hmm |
| 15:11.32 | Lulia | apparently that command doesn't exist... |
| 15:11.53 | Lulia | Well, damn |
| 15:11.57 | Jamash | runs towards Computerpunk in slow-mo |
| 15:12.32 | Computerpunk | pulls Jamash's shoe lace. |
| 15:12.44 | Jamash | is wearing sandals |
| 15:12.54 | karl_w_w | what's the point in offering an opinion if you don't want anybody to take any notice of it? |
| 15:13.19 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/troll_legancy.jpg |
| 15:13.26 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: Who asked for your opinion?! |
| 15:13.43 | Computerpunk | http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-04-08/1270730548992.jpg |
| 15:13.45 | karl_w_w | Fisker |
| 15:13.45 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/problem.jpg :DDDDDDD |
| 15:13.47 | Computerpunk | it's sfw |
| 15:14.26 | karl_w_w | those copy and pasta keys are 1 left of where they should be |
| 15:14.33 | Jamash | Computerpunk: FUKKEN SAVED |
| 15:16.22 | Cidan | quit |
| 15:16.25 | Cidan | er, xD |
| 15:16.28 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/hobamarnold.jpg |
| 15:16.35 | Jamash | hey what's the slash command to disband a guild |
| 15:16.43 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.45 | jnwhiteh | shockingly enough |
| 15:16.56 | Jamash | that was a meta joke but thanks for ruining it |
| 15:16.57 | mikma | ~drumroll |
| 15:16.58 | purl | ACTION starts a drumroll |
| 15:17.38 | karl_w_w | mikma that joke doesnt work as well when people don't know who the guy on the right is |
| 15:18.05 | mikma | karl_w_w: if they don't, then they shouldn't be in the internets |
| 15:18.28 | mikma | this is cool: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/cprym.jpg |
| 15:18.32 | Lunessa | hugs Cairenn|afk and Lopeppeppy until the moment stretches out into a slightly awkward scene. |
| 15:18.48 | Cairenn|afk | smoogles Lunessa |
| 15:19.02 | karl_w_w | haha that would so work as well |
| 15:19.18 | Cairenn|afk | huggles Lopeppeppy too, while she's at it |
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| 15:19.43 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1294481629.jpg |
| 15:19.58 | Cairenn|afk | awww |
| 15:20.00 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 15:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, awkward threesome scene! *happy wiggle* |
| 15:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn. *hugs* |
| 15:21.33 | Jamash | how does one "smoogle"? |
| 15:21.54 | karl_w_w | in the normal way |
| 15:21.58 | alestane | smooch + hug + cuddle => "smoogle". |
| 15:22.17 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo8qxUit00 |
| 15:22.41 | Computerpunk | Fisker. |
| 15:22.43 | Computerpunk | I love you. |
| 15:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Smoogling is quite fun. *serious nod* The best way to do it is to find a partner and figure it out! |
| 15:22.48 | Cairenn|afk | something like that, yup |
| 15:22.58 | Cairenn|afk | and yeah, what she said :) |
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| 15:23.51 | Kraps | http://positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/?p=992 |
| 15:24.17 | Lunessa | mmm... partners and experimenting. |
| 15:24.26 | Cairenn|afk | purrs |
| 15:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | Experiments! Let me put on my funny goggles! |
| 15:25.34 | Jamash | GSB is rad |
| 15:25.53 | Ackis | if I kill yogg w/ 1 keeper in 10 mode I'd get like 130 achievement points out of it lol |
| 15:26.11 | Jamash | Ackis: O_o |
| 15:27.19 | Ackis | I broke 9k achievement points over the weekend :P |
| 15:27.41 | karl_w_w | i wanna be just like ackis when i grow up |
| 15:27.52 | Computerpunk | 5.15k here |
| 15:27.56 | karl_w_w | only not with so few achievement points |
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| 15:29.13 | TMc51 | I almost has 2K! Oh man, I fail so hard. =( |
| 15:30.13 | Lunessa | I have 8350 - I'd have more if I'd go finish some stuff that's been too annoying or boring to put much effort in (like getting Salty). |
| 15:30.36 | karl_w_w | what are you missing on salty? |
| 15:30.53 | TMc51 | is it fair if I count the achievements from ALL of my characters? I'd have over 20K. =D |
| 15:30.58 | Jamash | ^ |
| 15:31.19 | karl_w_w | that would be counting a lot of achievements more than once TMc51 :P |
| 15:31.28 | Ackis | I think I have 3 achievements from ICC only... first few bosses and then a LK kill lol |
| 15:31.32 | Lunessa | karl_w_w: Most of the fishing crap. Like fishing in the enemy capitol, for the rare fish, yadda, yadda |
| 15:31.40 | Jamash | so maybe this is old news but bane of doom works on players |
| 15:31.44 | Lunessa | Oh, and I'd have to PVP more. |
| 15:32.29 | karl_w_w | im a pver much more than a pvper but i think im most proud of my battlemaster title |
| 15:33.25 | Jamash | I think I'd probably kill myself before I finished getting battlemaster |
| 15:33.53 | Lunessa | I do the server only battleground stuff from time to time (Wintersgrasp, Tol Barad) and if I have friends who want to do others, I'll go. But I'm really not into PvP really. (Not that I'm horribad, I'm just not into it.) |
| 15:34.06 | TMc51 | Lunessa: If you need some more PVP, then would you care to join a 2s team? Maybe we can get Cog to come along and make it 3s, or 2 others and make it 5s. |
| 15:34.31 | Jamash | specifically, Warsong Gulch Veteran would do me in |
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| 15:34.54 | karl_w_w | wsg is like the easiest of the metas :P |
| 15:35.06 | TMc51 | I gave up on Battlemaster after spending 5 months grinding AB on my Rogue, and only being Friendly. |
| 15:35.10 | Jamash | you have to *do wsg* |
| 15:35.13 | karl_w_w | hardest are sota and AB |
| 15:35.20 | sylvanaar_work | ok, im on my 3rd gaming mouse, so far I hvae returned a razor and a cyborg. what about G9X |
| 15:35.35 | sylvanaar_work | good? bad? |
| 15:35.43 | Jamash | is it logitech? |
| 15:35.48 | TMc51 | it's a Logitech, so it should be good. |
| 15:35.48 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 15:35.51 | Jamash | then it's good |
| 15:36.01 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NTFATI/ref=oss_product |
| 15:36.08 | |Jelly| | G700 |
| 15:36.10 | TMc51 | if the build quality is anything like the G11, expect it to take a lot of work to break it. |
| 15:36.14 | |Jelly| | best mouse i've ever owned |
| 15:36.34 | Lunessa | TMC51 - Maybe, but only if the team is called Cult of Whaleshark |
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| 15:36.49 | Jamash | only problem I've had with logitech products is cords wearing out due to using desktop products on a laptop |
| 15:37.04 | Lunessa | And I'm actually more interested in rated Battlegrounds as a guild than Arena. |
| 15:37.09 | TMc51 | Cult of Whaleshark sounds awesome. Even better than my usual Arena Teams, which are always Thundercats, and use the Thundercats logo. |
| 15:37.32 | TMc51 | Yeah, been hoping we could get some rated bgs going sometime. still need a few more 85s though. |
| 15:37.35 | sylvanaar_work | i think currently i have G5 i love it - but i get a cramp from using it too long |
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| 15:38.00 | Lunessa | TMc51: It wouldn't be a priority for me though. But it could be occasional fun. |
| 15:38.50 | TMc51 | yeah. I always found BGs to be fairly fun, and arenas to be cramped. I only ever do arena for points, rather than rating. it favors FOTM too much, whereas BGs are good regardless of how viable your class/spec is. |
| 15:38.57 | Jamash | I'm using a wireless MX1100 with http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=1539&sku=30501 on my laptop |
| 15:39.52 | TMc51 | sylvanaar_work: Which Cyborg mouse did you have? I was considering either the RAT5 or RAT 7, but if they're not as good as the reviews I've seen have been saying, I'll likely reconsider. |
| 15:41.16 | |Jelly| | My friend has a RAT7 and has issues with dust accumulation around the laser, causing it to not function correctly. :| |
| 15:41.43 | Kraps | http://www.cuded.com/2010/10/world-of-warcraft-artwork-by-gonzalo-ordonez-arias/ |
| 15:42.31 | sylvanaar_work | TMc51: RAT=7 |
| 15:42.38 | Jamash | Kraps: O_O |
| 15:42.48 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, the dual lasers got fucked up |
| 15:42.53 | TMc51 | =\ |
| 15:43.07 | TMc51 | I was excited about getting one, since MaxPC gave it a 10 Kickass rating. |
| 15:43.07 | sylvanaar_work | so only one axis worked sometimes, so you could only move in a line |
| 15:43.24 | sylvanaar_work | hey, if yours works it is probably going to be great |
| 15:43.27 | sylvanaar_work | but mine didnt |
| 15:44.08 | TMc51 | yeah, if there's issues like that, even a remote possibility of getting a bum unit is a turnoff. I'll probably just go down the other mice on the list, like a Steelseries Ikari. |
| 15:44.10 | sylvanaar_work | it was very comforatble, and when it worked it was nice...but it would cut out while i was playing and i had to tap it to make it work again |
| 15:44.33 | sylvanaar_work | techie-tap |
| 15:45.02 | |Jelly| | He just picked it up and blew (lol) on the laser to get the dust off. I'm sure this didn't help it in the long run though. |
| 15:45.10 | TMc51 | lol |
| 15:45.22 | Computerpunk | Lulia, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3jT0uaZw0 |
| 15:45.29 | TMc51 | sounds like what I've been doing with my current mouse for the past 3 years. |
| 15:49.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=1050108811011081108210771085&path=%2F&sc=0 |
| 15:50.13 | jnwhiteh | saw |
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| 15:51.05 | Ackis | so of the new raids, which is the easiest to do? aside from BT. |
| 15:52.47 | mikma | http://is11.snstatic.fi/kuvat/angrylautauusi/img-1288374118937.jpeg |
| 15:58.26 | |Jelly| | WTB: Auctioneer - Server Transfer. Which would load two servers worth of data and allow you to compare. :P |
| 15:58.32 | TC-Work | so, whats everone getting Cairenn for her birthday? |
| 15:58.43 | |Jelly| | spankings and that's it |
| 15:58.50 | Lunessa | ... HAWT |
| 15:58.57 | TC-Work | from you, or to you? |
| 15:59.02 | |Jelly| | either, or |
| 15:59.09 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 15:59.16 | TC-Work | fair enough |
| 16:00.00 | TC-Work | hmmm.... |Jelly| is assless chaps getting spanked by Cairenn. makes the mind boggle. |
| 16:00.10 | TC-Work | s/is/in/ |
| 16:00.23 | |Jelly| | oh wow |
| 16:00.28 | |Jelly| | you just took that to a whole new level |
| 16:00.35 | Lunessa | TC-Work: You have issues man. ISSUES |
| 16:00.37 | TC-Work | i did? |
| 16:00.42 | |Jelly| | yeah |
| 16:00.43 | TC-Work | Lunessa: we all do |
| 16:00.54 | Lunessa | I have subscriptions. |
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| 16:01.41 | |Jelly| | I have prescriptions :P |
| 16:02.32 | Lunessa | I'm using the new Apple iPill - it solves everything in one easy to use tablet. |
| 16:02.40 | TC-Work | lol |
| 16:04.25 | sylvanaar_work | the iPill |
| 16:04.29 | sylvanaar_work | thats great |
| 16:04.48 | Lunessa | Thank you. I'm here all week. Tip your waitstaff. |
| 16:05.26 | sylvanaar_work | its the AMAZING iPill. |
| 16:06.03 | sylvanaar_work | why isnt merlin on blu-ray or dvd |
| 16:06.08 | sylvanaar_work | ... |
| 16:06.14 | sylvanaar_work | how lame is that |
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| 16:32.19 | |Jelly| | oh man ... rainmeter GROUNDING TOTEM vent! |
| 16:33.42 | amro | tol barad is a lie! |
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| 16:42.28 | tem|work | ~laziness |
| 16:42.28 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:42.35 | tem|work | ~inpatience |
| 16:42.39 | tem|work | ~impatience |
| 16:42.40 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:42.50 | tem|work | ~hubris |
| 16:42.50 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:42.58 | tem|work | ~fear of complexity |
| 16:42.58 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 16:43.20 | TC-Work | boning up for another week of work there tem? |
| 16:43.52 | sylvanaar_work | are those virtues supposed to be a joke |
| 16:44.03 | TC-Work | not exactly |
| 16:44.04 | Cairenn|afk | no? |
| 16:44.06 | Jamash | no/yes |
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| 16:44.38 | tem|work | sylvanaar_work, obviously not |
| 16:45.06 | tem|work | fear of complexity is something a lot of addon people need to remember |
| 16:45.09 | tem|work | _badly_ |
| 16:45.17 | tem|work | holy fucking moses they need to remember that one |
| 16:45.26 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:45.35 | jnwhiteh | I love you tem|work |
| 16:45.42 | industrial | ^ |
| 16:47.47 | tem|work | jnwhiteh, how is england? |
| 16:48.05 | tem|work | I haven't seen you around in forever |
| 16:48.05 | jnwhiteh | very english |
| 16:48.05 | jnwhiteh | i've been fairly busy =/ |
| 16:48.07 | tem|work | nod |
| 16:48.08 | jnwhiteh | but I'm here :P |
| 16:48.16 | tem|work | graduate programs tend to do that to people |
| 16:48.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah I want to stab myself in the face with a knitting needle |
| 16:48.32 | jnwhiteh | or a spoon |
| 16:48.32 | tem|work | haha |
| 16:50.05 | jnwhiteh | how are things with you? |
| 16:50.24 | tem|work | pretty great |
| 16:50.30 | jnwhiteh | good to hear =) |
| 16:50.44 | tem|work | I'm working mostly full time for a small company and continuing my degree one class at a time |
| 16:51.14 | tem|work | but they're paying me like I work full time, and I'm so tired of school it hurts |
| 16:51.20 | tem|work | so I'm glad to drag it out forever |
| 16:52.03 | alestane | They're sort of a serious joke, sylvanaar_work. |
| 16:52.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah, you never seemed to like school very much, not that I blame you |
| 16:52.42 | TC-Work | jnwhiteh: try one of these http://lh6.ggpht.com/_b32qdHpkp8E/ShrgRUISLCI/AAAAAAAAAVk/zDq9P_wmQi0/s800/Absinthe_spoons.jpg |
| 16:53.02 | jnwhiteh | TC-Work: perfect candidates, but might be too smart |
| 16:53.05 | jnwhiteh | sharp, rather |
| 16:53.06 | tem|work | it never helped that I kept changing my major and moving to different universities |
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| 16:53.21 | TC-Work | jnwhiteh: you /want/ blunt face stabbing? |
| 16:53.24 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:53.27 | jnwhiteh | the more painful the better |
| 16:53.39 | TC-Work | then might i recommend a mallet |
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| 16:55.26 | tem|work | I never thought I'd find myself a flash developer and happy about it |
| 16:55.33 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:55.40 | tem|work | as3 + flex made is 10000x better |
| 16:55.51 | tem|work | as2 was pant-on-head retarded |
| 16:56.21 | tem|work | the syntax for a few things is still retarded in as3, but they fixed the worst things |
| 16:56.57 | tem|work | example: bmp = new BitmapData(); bmp.draw(movie); |
| 16:57.10 | tem|work | That fails silently if you forgot to import BitmapData |
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| 17:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | You people make my brain hurt, when I read and catch up. |
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| 17:07.27 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: scrollback == BAD |
| 17:08.10 | TC-Work | is chrome at version 9? |
| 17:08.15 | Lunessa | Torhal: Back to work! Curse is chaining your to a desk for a reason! *whipcrack* |
| 17:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | Purr? |
| 17:09.36 | Lunessa | He's developing the Curse Raid Tracker. I'm just being silly about it. |
| 17:15.04 | Kraps | Lunessa: dont crack any whips unless you mean it |
| 17:15.32 | Lunessa | Kraps: This is a topic not really meant for /this/ channel. *weg* |
| 17:15.56 | Kraps | lols |
| 17:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | *weg and purrrrrrrr* |
| 17:17.48 | Lulia | Hmm, I wonder what the most popular metas are on you guys' servers? |
| 17:17.54 | Lulia | weg? |
| 17:17.59 | Lulia | What is a weg? |
| 17:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | Wicked Evil Grin |
| 17:18.03 | Lulia | ah |
| 17:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | Naughty, wicked, evil Zoot! |
| 17:18.14 | nevcairiel | isnt that your normal look |
| 17:18.31 | Lopeppeppy | Well, now that you mention it, I am sorta that way. |
| 17:18.44 | Lulia | And here I was, imagining Lopeppeppy as sweet and innocent |
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| 17:22.52 | Lunessa | Sweet maybe, but in a sort of wicked way. You know, chips, dips, chains and whips... |
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| 17:24.08 | batrick | anyone here use the awesome window manager? |
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| 17:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Lulia, I'm very sweet and loving, loyal and work as hard as a dog. I just also play as hard and rough as a sorority girl in heat. :) |
| 17:32.46 | nicoli_s | man theres some odd stuff on tv during the day |
| 17:32.53 | nicoli_s | damn snow keeping me down! |
| 17:37.23 | |Jelly| | So ... is there a command to cancel all your auctions? lol |
| 17:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | I think that deleting your character would cancel all the auctions. *innocent* |
| 17:40.21 | Fisker | i want to destroy someone Lopeppeppye |
| 17:40.26 | Fisker | with an e |
| 17:40.44 | cog|sleep | Lopeppeppye the sailor gnome? |
| 17:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | Lo-p-pop-eye? |
| 17:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | Ar, give me spinach or give me death! |
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| 17:42.08 | kd3 | whee... 5" of snow, ~0.5" of ice and we're not hitting freezing today |
| 17:42.18 | kd3 | wonders what the odds are on power outages come tonight |
| 17:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | If you hit freezing, I'd say fair to high. |
| 17:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's a lot of ice. |
| 17:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | And then you get accidents with people taking out telephone poles, etc. |
| 17:44.38 | nicoli_s | its so crazym we got like 8 in of snow her |
| 17:44.49 | Fisker | you still have telephone poles? |
| 17:45.04 | Fisker | what are you going to do? Morse a letter? |
| 17:45.13 | durcyn | i have a telephone pole for you, fisker |
| 17:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | The squirrels need a highway. Electricity needs a highway. |
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| 17:46.48 | Fisker | we learned a cool trick Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:47.34 | Fisker | we found out that electricity works even when not suspended in air |
| 17:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | No way. |
| 17:47.53 | kd3 | I'm almost sad work didn't call today (I'm off). I wanna yell at my boss for even considering it |
| 17:47.54 | Fisker | way. |
| 17:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | You must live in some city or something. |
| 17:48.18 | durcyn | kd3: you're annoyed you don't get the chance to berate someone for an action you don't want them to take? |
| 17:48.27 | Fisker | well <3000 pop Lopeppeppy |
| 17:48.38 | kd3 | largely because I'm still expecting a phone call saying "please come in" |
| 17:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, that's a lot of people still. :) |
| 17:48.50 | Fisker | (used to be a lot more but i murdered them all, mostly guys) |
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| 17:56.26 | Lopeppeppy | (competition, I understand) |
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| 17:58.53 | sylvanaar_work | can anyone think of a way to clear all the raid icons that have been placed? |
| 17:59.06 | sylvanaar_work | besides setting a target to each of them, then clearing it |
| 17:59.18 | durcyn | just cycle through them all on yourself in a macro |
| 17:59.54 | sylvanaar_work | besides that |
| 18:00.00 | sylvanaar_work | because it spams the chat |
| 18:00.26 | syrae | ahhhh back at work. Joy~ -_- |
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| 18:02.00 | sylvanaar_work | ClearRaidMarker is a function, wonder what it does ^.^ |
| 18:02.21 | sylvanaar_work | since SetRaidMarker("unit", 0) clears the mark |
| 18:02.57 | sylvanaar_work | itd be neat if ClearRaidMarker took an int |
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| 18:12.26 | sylvanaar_work | must clear the world markers |
| 18:13.40 | Lunessa | It does. |
| 18:15.59 | sylvanaar_work | hahaha |
| 18:16.01 | sylvanaar_work | _G["CompactRaidFrameManagerDisplayFrameLeaderOptionsRaidMarker"..i]; --.... /cry |
| 18:17.46 | Kraps | weird http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11radio.html |
| 18:18.45 | Shirik | sylvanaar: Looks like something my code generator would do |
| 18:18.55 | sylvanaar_work | i like the comment |
| 18:19.04 | Shirik | oh that wasn't you |
| 18:19.07 | Shirik | I thought it was |
| 18:19.10 | sylvanaar_work | no, its blizzards code |
| 18:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | "It's not my fault" |
| 18:20.21 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, i think they put those there so when we read it we dont make fun of them |
| 18:21.27 | alestane | I think there's still one in the Interface Options manager that says, "-- table for reuse; yay reuse!" |
| 18:22.03 | alestane | And there used to be one, I think in BonusActionBarFrame.lua, that just said "-- ?????????" |
| 18:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | Call 'em Easter Eggs of Joy. |
| 18:22.35 | alestane | "Even we don't remember WTF this was for." |
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| 18:23.54 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:24.02 | sylvanaar_work | how do you set the current tradeskill? |
| 18:24.07 | sylvanaar_work | for GetTradeSkillListLink() |
| 18:25.43 | sylvanaar_work | Interesting |
| 18:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh frabjous day! I may catch my ex-husband's cold, through a long chain of friends who are sharing it forward. Someone pass me the bleach? |
| 18:27.23 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: don't worry |
| 18:27.38 | cbreak | it'll have mutated by now |
| 18:28.34 | sylvanaar_work | must be SelectTradeSkill |
| 18:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's still his cooties, cbreak! Get me the Lysol!!!! |
| 18:35.04 | Lunessa | In the code for the shaman multi-select bar there's a comment like "We have too many bars in this game." |
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| 18:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:35.48 | Lunessa | And on that note, I go in search of lunch. |
| 18:35.58 | Lopeppeppy | hides her tomatoes |
| 18:36.48 | alestane | They should implement some of them as add-ons so that non-shamans don't have resources consumed by a useless bar. |
| 18:39.49 | Dagmar | Or.. shaman could just stfu with the whining |
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| 18:42.52 | Kraps | Dagmar: The Guild is also an exaggeration |
| 18:45.35 | Dagmar | Kraps: Of course. No way would Felicia sleep with "Wesley" |
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| 18:46.22 | Kraps | heh |
| 18:48.47 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:48.55 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
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| 18:50.38 | Kraps | Dagmar: just you were talking yesterday about big bang theory |
| 18:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bang? |
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| 18:53.27 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:53.33 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 18:53.38 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:53.43 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 18:53.47 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:53.52 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 18:53.57 | Fisker | curse you |
| 18:54.02 | Kraps | no u |
| 18:54.12 | Fisker | no u |
| 18:54.18 | cog|work | no u |
| 18:54.43 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:54.52 | Fisker | i think my nexus one is blarghing |
| 18:55.02 | cog|work | my droid x blarghed |
| 18:55.05 | cog|work | i wiped it |
| 18:55.10 | cog|work | it's better now |
| 18:55.17 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:55.27 | Fisker | motorola is making a tablet with built-in barometer |
| 18:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | So you know when it's pissing you off by crashing too much? |
| 18:58.25 | Dagmar | That's a windows mobile phone. |
| 19:02.08 | cog|work | Lunessa: ding guild level 8 |
| 19:03.55 | Cide | why do they want me to update the linux kernel all the time |
| 19:04.03 | Cide | every single time I do I gotta reinstall the graphics drivers |
| 19:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | Grats! |
| 19:05.55 | Dagmar | Cide: Shouldn't you be reading the changelogs? |
| 19:06.32 | Dagmar | Not that I'm chiding you for fussing about an update... It's that you probably *could* stand to simply skip most of the kernel package updates since they're not likely to affect you. |
| 19:07.17 | Cide | Dagmar: probably |
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| 19:08.19 | Cide | I just like having everything updated |
| 19:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, did you get enough snow? I can still package some up if you need it. |
| 19:09.27 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1789870302644&set=a.1488218161529.2065956.1116188608 :) |
| 19:09.56 | Cide | pics of naked women to which I do not have access to? |
| 19:09.58 | Cide | not okay |
| 19:10.39 | durcyn | link the jpeg directly, not the page |
| 19:10.56 | Seerah | It was for Lopeppeppy :p |
| 19:11.01 | Seerah | she can view |
| 19:11.05 | durcyn | :| |
| 19:11.17 | Cide | not okay. |
| 19:11.31 | Seerah | gosh, boys, it's just a picture of snow :p |
| 19:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | 90 |
| 19:12.33 | Lunessa | cog|work: Woot! |
| 19:12.52 | cog|work | sadly it happened 5 mins after i hearthed so i still have to wait the full CD |
| 19:12.53 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:13.34 | Seerah | >< |
| 19:13.54 | Seerah | at least it's supposed to be functional now :p |
| 19:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, a pretty dusting of snow! |
| 19:15.44 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: was actually 3-4 inches |
| 19:16.11 | Lopeppeppy | Really? It looks like a lot less, on the railing. Very deceptive! |
| 19:16.30 | durcyn | if i had a dollar for every time i've heard that |
| 19:16.37 | Seerah | yeah, the wind was blowing from the back of the house. There's one more picture of the snow looking at the backyard |
| 19:16.44 | Seerah | lol |
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| 19:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | For me, it's how much I have to shove off the top of the car in the morning, or walk through to get to it. The snow was halfway to my knees, and I'm a short gnome. |
| 19:19.31 | Dagmar | I used a broom to clear my windshield |
| 19:20.03 | Torhal | We got like 8 inches here...in friggin' Alabama! |
| 19:20.46 | Dagmar | We're supposedly getting more, too, but I don't know where from |
| 19:21.03 | Lopeppeppy | I used my shovel to clear off my whole car, it was quicker. |
| 19:21.11 | Dagmar | The speed with which it went from nothing to WHITE last night was downright spooky |
| 19:24.38 | Fisker | cog|work i once killed a guy |
| 19:31.08 | kd3 | is still shocked at how much he actually got |
| 19:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | Snow for you, kd3? How smashing! |
| 19:31.39 | kd3 | 5ish inches, plus some ice |
| 19:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | Respectable, but messy. *weg* |
| 19:32.28 | Lunessa | So, average then? |
| 19:32.36 | kd3 | that's utterly insane for atlanta |
| 19:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 19:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, we were being naughty at you! |
| 19:32.56 | kd3 | yawns |
| 19:33.08 | kd3 | in a vp group atm, not paying attention to the innuendo |
| 19:33.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, mean! |
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| 19:36.54 | Sixen | lol |
| 19:37.12 | Sixen | oicwutudidthar, Peppy. |
| 19:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Nev-ar. |
| 19:45.14 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 19:45.16 | Fisker | i killed you |
| 19:45.19 | Sixen | =o |
| 19:45.23 | Fisker | :o |
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| 20:00.20 | Shirik | So I'm talking to my relocation company |
| 20:00.25 | Shirik | they're trying to find me plane tickets |
| 20:00.55 | Shirik | they ask me for my birthday, I respond with "January 20, 1987" and she's like "Oh maybe I can find a carrier that will give you a birthday cake on the plane" |
| 20:01.10 | Shirik | I was about to kill her :P |
| 20:01.16 | Dagmar | Good luck not being arrested for having the cake then |
| 20:01.20 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:01.25 | Dagmar | Someone might decide it's supicious looking. |
| 20:01.33 | Shirik | you mean |
| 20:01.39 | Shirik | it looked like a lie? |
| 20:01.49 | Dagmar | It could be. |
| 20:01.59 | Dagmar | You can't make that decision, you're not an anti-terrorism expert. |
| 20:02.04 | Shirik | true |
| 20:02.39 | Dagmar | Someone would need to call authorities in and until you;'ve been strip searched they can't really be sure no terrorists have hidden up your butt when you weren't looking. |
| 20:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | What about the cake? |
| 20:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | There could be terrorists curled up in the cake. |
| 20:03.18 | Dagmar | I mean, if a cream cheese bagel looks suspicious, then just imagine what the average commuter could maybe decide was hidden inside a cake |
| 20:03.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 20:03.34 | Fisker | i'm older than you lol. |
| 20:03.44 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, so am I, what's the big deal? |
| 20:03.49 | Dagmar | After hearing about that I've come to the conclusion that I just can't afford to fly without a lawyer. |
| 20:04.04 | Shirik | cream cheese bagel? |
| 20:04.06 | Fisker | it's funny Lopeppeppy |
| 20:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | With the creamy cream cheese? |
| 20:04.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: You didn't hear about the *math professor* being arrested? |
| 20:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | It scares me, Fisker. |
| 20:05.03 | Dagmar | Seriously. The guy had a bagel, a hat, his wallet and keys in a bag, and someone on the plane thought they heard it making suspicious bagel noises or something and notified the attendants |
| 20:05.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You worship in the Cult of Foamy? |
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| 20:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I admire Foamy and Pilsey greatly! |
| 20:05.35 | Blacksen | Hey guys |
| 20:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | Kosher Crackers and Medicated Babyheads. |
| 20:05.45 | Dagmar | The guy was arrested for interfering in the operation of an aircraft because when they started trying to grill him about it, he picked up his phone and started calling around for a lawyer or some help, they told him to hang up his phone and answer their questions and he said no |
| 20:05.50 | Lunessa | And a Kevorikan Scarf |
| 20:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's not a scarf, it's a blood pressure monitor! *giggle snark* |
| 20:06.26 | Dagmar | They even made up more ludicrous charges after the police got there, just to be sure they were doing a good job of making shit up apparently |
| 20:06.40 | Blacksen | Hoping someone can help here: I've got an add-on on wowinterface.com, and I want to change its category. Anyone know who I can contact to do that? |
| 20:06.52 | Lunessa | Dagmar: These days, no matter what you have seen on TV or how 'guilty' it makes you look, the first words out of your mouth when dealing with the police should be "Lawyer. Now." and then silence. |
| 20:08.16 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'm just peeved they actually went to the trouble of citing that he refused to *stop trying to call a laywer* when they asked as justification that he was refusing to follow flight attendant instructions |
| 20:08.28 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/01/bitter-gnomes-and-goblins/ |
| 20:08.31 | Lunessa | Or, if you're feeling loquacious, perhaps, "I have nothing to say without first consulting my attourney." |
| 20:08.34 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the lawsuit he brings will find that about as powerful as damp tissue paper |
| 20:08.40 | Dagmar | shirik: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Florida-Professor-Arrested-for-Having-aSuspicious-Bagel-on-a-Plane-112825029.html |
| 20:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, that's aweome Seerah! Death Knights for the... er... death! |
| 20:09.28 | Blacksen | You should look at it from their perspective (I'm a pilot): You told him to get off the phone, he's not. How do they know he's calling a lawyer and not detonating a remote bomb? |
| 20:09.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: See, the problem is that I usually just hit people in the face at that point |
| 20:09.51 | Dagmar | Blacksen: because you didn't already explode |
| 20:10.15 | Dagmar | Incredibly stupid logic fails utterly when exposed to the light of actual reality |
| 20:11.17 | Blacksen | My point is still valid, though: you're trained to not allow phone calls or other communication mechanisms. He could be calling a companion to pass on some sort of password. |
| 20:11.47 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Your point is some stuff you made up. Since when are pilots "trained to not allow phone calls or other communication mechanisms" |
| 20:11.51 | SqueeG_ | wtf is with the obsession with mick jagger in pop culture lately? |
| 20:12.01 | Fisker | you freak me out Shirik |
| 20:13.04 | SqueeG | Profiling, they should use it |
| 20:13.06 | Blacksen | Dagmar: Since... always? If you're suspicious of an individual, you're given the authority to prevent communication attempts. It's part of the FARAIM guidelines |
| 20:13.12 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Security requires *intelligence* and *reason* or it doesn't happen. You can't just make up some paranoid crazy nonsense and claim it's something that should be stopped at all costs because that means *no one gets anything done*' |
| 20:13.14 | Shirik | Dagmar: Hilarious |
| 20:13.35 | Lunessa | Such bullshit. Your fear should not be allowed to curtail my freedoms. |
| 20:13.37 | Shirik | Unfortunately, the law is probably going to be OK |
| 20:13.40 | Shirik | here's way |
| 20:13.41 | Shirik | why |
| 20:13.47 | Shirik | the reports I'm reading say that he was being "unruly" |
| 20:14.02 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Problem #2 was that it wasn't the pilot, it was *flight attendants* and you are still wrong since he was not a terrorist. Also, him giving someone a "password" is more crazy-talk bullshit |
| 20:14.28 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2011/01/milking_it_dry_mattel_rolling.php |
| 20:14.33 | Dagmar | Shirik: Wouldn't you be a little upset if someone was grilling you about your lunch being a threat? |
| 20:14.38 | Blacksen | I think it's stupid that the guy was profiled and accused of having a "suspicious bagel" - you're right, that's ridiculous and an infringement of freedoms. But he was ordered by airline personnel to get off his phone - something that they have every right to insist - and he refused. |
| 20:14.47 | Shirik | I'm just saying why the law is going to get away with it |
| 20:14.56 | Shirik | not that it's right or unexpected |
| 20:15.04 | Dagmar | I don't think "the law" will get away with it actually. |
| 20:15.20 | Cidan | I think I liked Final Fantasy 6 better than 7, my self. |
| 20:15.29 | Blacksen | You're right - he's probably not going to actually get arrested, fined, or anything like that |
| 20:15.34 | Blacksen | but he won't get anything for his time, either |
| 20:15.40 | Cidan | I was able to connect with the characters just, so much more. |
| 20:15.40 | Dagmar | There's a reasonableness metric that has to be met in the case of laws where a _civilian_ is what is making the determination about whether or not a law is being broken. |
| 20:15.53 | Cidan | 7 was good, but the characters lacked depth for me. |
| 20:15.56 | Dagmar | Blacksen: He already *got* arrested. Fail #3. |
| 20:16.18 | Blacksen | Sorry, I should have said he's probably not going to have any consequences |
| 20:16.29 | Dagmar | If there was not a reasonableness metric a judge will be looking for, a flight attendant could merrily instruct the entire plane to get naked, and then have them all arrested when they didn't. |
| 20:17.00 | Lunessa | Actually, if the airline wants to eject anyone for pretty much any reason, they probably can. That does not mean that the person can be criminally prosecuted in all cases. |
| 20:17.17 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
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| 20:17.31 | Dagmar | Yeah, kicking him off the plane was one thing. Having the police show up and place charges on the guy was unquestionably wrong. |
| 20:17.46 | Dagmar | They're going to be in some shit for that |
| 20:17.47 | Lunessa | Fear. People has it. |
| 20:18.05 | SqueeG | The professor responded in the wrong way too |
| 20:18.07 | Lunessa | Stupid, unreasoning, curl up and snarl fear. |
| 20:18.24 | SqueeG | everyone over reacted |
| 20:18.35 | SqueeG | i can understand WHY the professor did what he did |
| 20:18.43 | Dagmar | Because everyone was "just following orders". |
| 20:18.46 | SqueeG | Doesn't mean he was right either |
| 20:18.49 | Dagmar | You know, like Nazi prison guards. |
| 20:18.59 | Jamash | you know who wore shoes? HITLER |
| 20:19.00 | Blacksen | I disagree - he violated national airline safety laws by refusing to get off his phone when asked by airline personnel. |
| 20:19.10 | Jamash | clearly we should ban shoes |
| 20:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes. |
| 20:19.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: Ahh.... so THAT's why they check them so closely |
| 20:19.21 | SqueeG | Instead of going into consumer rage |
| 20:19.29 | Jamash | you know who ate food? HITLER |
| 20:19.31 | SqueeG | if he had shown them how retarded they were, he woulc have won |
| 20:19.33 | Blacksen | You know when they say "turn off your electronic devices" when you're about to take off? Same thing. If you're using it, and a flight attendant tells you to get off, and you don't... what consequence do you think is reasonable? |
| 20:19.36 | Jamash | clearly we should ban food |
| 20:19.38 | SqueeG | then he could have complained to the airline |
| 20:19.43 | SqueeG | free flights! |
| 20:19.52 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Does. Not. Matter. |
| 20:20.02 | Shirik | Cidan! |
| 20:20.05 | Shirik | hi |
| 20:20.05 | durcyn | FAA regulations are a comedy goldmine |
| 20:20.06 | Xyphoid | al gebra sounds terroristic to me |
| 20:20.15 | SqueeG | The FAA is a joke :p |
| 20:20.16 | Blacksen | Yes it does. The circumstances leading up to that point are completely irrelevant. |
| 20:20.20 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: It shoud. Terrorist invented it. |
| 20:20.28 | Jamash | security theater is sounding more like security punch and judy all the time |
| 20:20.35 | SqueeG | Politicians writing safety guidelines and security measures is an even bigger joke |
| 20:20.37 | Blacksen | Under any circumstance WHILE ON A PLANE, airline personnel have the complete right to ask you to hang up your phone for whatever reason, period |
| 20:20.41 | Dagmar | Blacksen: No, it does not. It has not a thing to do with the math professor's case. |
| 20:20.49 | Jamash | Blacksen: and have you arrested if you don't? |
| 20:20.54 | Dagmar | It is, in fact, rather materially different from what was going on in his case. |
| 20:21.05 | Dagmar | You might as well be talking about having a gun in a bank as if it applied. |
| 20:21.29 | Blacksen | From the article... "When confronted by the http://www.nbcmiami.com/topics?topic=US+Airways+Group+Inc. crew about his "suspicious package," Milatovic got on his cell phone. The crew asked him to hang it up and sit down. When he refused, he was cuffed." |
| 20:21.34 | Dagmar | Cuz you know, someone with a gun in a bank might be looking to rob the place, so they should just arrest anyone on planes for anything they want |
| 20:21.42 | SqueeG | No one KNEW he had nothing in his carry on but him |
| 20:21.45 | Blacksen | That's a clear violation of TSA Regulations |
| 20:22.09 | Dagmar | Blacksen: And yet it has nothing to do with the plane being in motion because it wasn't. People weren't even seated yet. |
| 20:22.29 | Blacksen | That doesn't matter. The law doesn't say "oh they can only ask you to get off your phone when in the air" |
| 20:22.34 | |Jelly| | To be honest, I'd be afraid of a guy eating a bagel too. |
| 20:22.39 | Dagmar | They were still in the part of things where it's considered a complete non-issue if the plane's electrical system goes completely dead. |
| 20:22.41 | Blacksen | They're allowed to insist you hang up at any time while on the plane |
| 20:22.44 | |Jelly| | He might have a deliciousness overload and assplode. |
| 20:23.08 | SqueeG | Dagmar, you're still seeing it from the PoV of knowing what's in the bag |
| 20:23.12 | Dagmar | Blacksen: yes, but having someone arrested for it is another matter entirely |
| 20:23.13 | SqueeG | if the professor had kept his head |
| 20:23.25 | Lunessa | Regardless, the fellow was sorely mistreated and everyone involved acted badly, some more than others. |
| 20:23.28 | Dagmar | SqueeG: Acutaslly, I am seeing it from the POV of someone who knows this isn't Leningrad |
| 20:23.29 | SqueeG | do you think he could've then been justifiably outraged afterward? |
| 20:23.37 | Blacksen | No, it's not - here's the regulation that you agreed to when getting on a plane (similar to the regulations you agree to when driving a car) |
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| 20:23.58 | Blacksen | Regulation states that airline personnel can ask you to turn off cellular and mobile electronic devices at any time while on board the plane |
| 20:24.06 | Jamash | I think everyone should simply stop flying and let the airlines go out of business |
| 20:24.07 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 20:24.08 | Blacksen | He refused, therefore, he's in violation of the regulation and should be arrested |
| 20:24.27 | Blacksen | He was mistreated, yes, and the circumstances that lead to that point were very unfortunate |
| 20:24.31 | Blacksen | But he broke the law... it's pretty cut and dry |
| 20:24.36 | Jamash | Blacksen: You're being unruly in IRC, I'm going to have to ask you to step into this unmarked black van. |
| 20:24.37 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Yes, it is. An _arrest_ is not just some casual thing you throw at someone because you feel like it. Someone being placed under arrest has to meet certain requirements that necessarily involve a _flight risk_ or a _present danger to themselves or otherS_ |
| 20:24.54 | Dagmar | There's a difference between a citation and an arrest and those two things are a large part of it. |
| 20:24.59 | SqueeG | Jamash: Why, so the government can start up their own flight companies (like the railway)? |
| 20:25.13 | Dagmar | A _reasonable_ person in that situation would have made an attempt to assess what was actually going on. |
| 20:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW, but funnier than the current debate: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/shopping_cart |
| 20:25.23 | Blacksen | That's incorrect. The regulation classifies it as a class C felony |
| 20:25.32 | SqueeG | The flight crew had an "UNKNOWN threat" to handle |
| 20:25.33 | Dagmar | It's pretty clear the airline attendants just wanted to be dicks because a passenger or two was being an idiot |
| 20:25.37 | SqueeG | they don't have xray vision |
| 20:25.45 | Dagmar | SqueeG: It's their job to figure it the fuck out |
| 20:25.49 | clever | Dagmar: do they allow laptops on air planes? |
| 20:25.52 | SqueeG | exactly |
| 20:25.57 | SqueeG | and if the person is being a douche |
| 20:26.03 | SqueeG | what's your next course? |
| 20:26.10 | SqueeG | forcibly opening the said item? |
| 20:26.16 | SqueeG | or removing him from the plane |
| 20:26.19 | |Jelly| | Drop him to the ground with a groin slap and take his bagel. |
| 20:26.21 | Dagmar | Passing the buck and endlessly making it someone *else's* job to determine what's actually going on so that a measured response can finally happen is NOT SECURITY. |
| 20:26.30 | Dagmar | It's a decided LACK of security, in fact. |
| 20:26.31 | clever | Dagmar: check youtube for 'exploding laptop battery' |
| 20:26.51 | clever | the stuff they complete ignore is often the worst :P |
| 20:26.57 | Dagmar | SqueeG: You remove them from the plane, yes. |
| 20:27.02 | Fisker | mckenziemc |
| 20:27.21 | SqueeG | And that is essentially what occurred |
| 20:27.29 | Dagmar | No, it's acutally not. |
| 20:27.34 | Blacksen | Dagmar: The point is pretty simple: it's a class C felony to continue using any electronic device while on board when directly asked by airline personnel to turn it off. I don't see what your problem with all of this is. |
| 20:27.42 | SqueeG | Do any of the stories mention whether or not he refused to leave? |
| 20:27.48 | Dagmar | Blacksen: THAT IT IS NOT SECURITY. |
| 20:27.57 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 20:28.00 | Dagmar | It makes NO ONE ANY SAFER, at all. |
| 20:28.04 | Cidan | I'm hungry |
| 20:28.05 | Blacksen | Dagmar: I don't care. It's the law. They take on the 0-tolerance policy |
| 20:28.05 | Cidan | also |
| 20:28.07 | Cidan | hi shirik |
| 20:28.10 | Dagmar | Fuck the law. |
| 20:28.12 | Cidan | did you try out the conspiracy code? |
| 20:28.19 | Jamash | Blacksen: You don't care whether or not laws are reasonable? |
| 20:28.19 | Dagmar | I'd rather not get blown the hell up. |
| 20:28.24 | Blacksen | Dagmar: The law is there for magnetic interference during take-off. It's not an anti-terrorism law |
| 20:28.35 | Jamash | "magnetic interference" ololololol |
| 20:28.37 | Dagmar | Blacksen: ...and yet they were not taking off, were they |
| 20:28.55 | Dagmar | A normal PDA or cell phone does not have enough power to affect aircraft. |
| 20:29.06 | Blacksen | Yes, it does. Mythbusters did an entire episode about that |
| 20:29.14 | Blacksen | (lol mythbusters) |
| 20:29.27 | Dagmar | You should probabl pay closer attention when you watch TV of that nature. |
| 20:29.33 | Dagmar | They "showed" the exact opposite. |
| 20:29.47 | Jamash | which raises the question of why aerospace companies are so bad at designing electronics |
| 20:29.57 | SqueeG | Dagmar: we agree on removing the passenger from the plane |
| 20:30.00 | Dagmar | looks at Shirik |
| 20:30.02 | Shirik | I have Cidan, and I've made some corrections |
| 20:30.05 | SqueeG | So.... where's the continued rage? |
| 20:30.08 | Cidan | neat |
| 20:30.18 | Cidan | I didn't do too much to it |
| 20:30.19 | Shirik | Blacksen, no it doesn't |
| 20:30.24 | Dagmar | Squeeg: Only after they've become irrationally irate, but at that point the _entire_ plane should be evacuated--not just the passenger. |
| 20:30.47 | Blacksen | Whether or not they were or were not in take-off is irrelevant. They give the airline personnel complete control to shut them off if they want to. It's hard to define what counts as "take off" |
| 20:30.48 | SqueeG | And he WAS being uncooperative |
| 20:30.52 | Dagmar | Squeeg: The "rage" was that they even got to the point they did with _no one_ having the cojones to actually stop and assess the situation |
| 20:30.55 | SqueeG | aka ... making a scene |
| 20:31.03 | Dagmar | Following policies BLINDLY is incredibly stupid. |
| 20:31.03 | Jamash | MAKING A SCENE IS A FELONY |
| 20:31.08 | Shirik | The only reason you can't use a cell phone in flight is because the FCC says you can't |
| 20:31.12 | Jamash | ^ |
| 20:31.12 | Fisker | farts Shirik |
| 20:31.18 | Shirik | because it is a frequency allocated for ground communications |
| 20:31.23 | Fisker | i'm glad you agree Jamash |
| 20:31.23 | SqueeG | The man was making a point to ignore them, what procedure is to be followed? |
| 20:31.37 | SqueeG | You contain the incident quickly, and sort it out in private |
| 20:31.37 | Dagmar | Squeeg: They should have never gotten *to* that point to begin with |
| 20:31.44 | SqueeG | Instead of making a BIGGER scene |
| 20:31.46 | Cidan | is there an article I can read on whatever it is you guys are debating? |
| 20:32.00 | mckenziemc | i hate not knowing what's going on : / |
| 20:32.07 | Dagmar | If he'd been an actual terrorist, the moment they said something to him about his "suspicious package" he could have set the thing off |
| 20:32.07 | SqueeG | So after a passenger alerts an attendant to strange noises |
| 20:32.07 | Blacksen | I'm not arguing about whether or not the laws are or are not reasonable. I'm just saying that here's law X, a law that's been in effect for over 30 years, and this man broke law X |
| 20:32.07 | Cidan | I like cheese. |
| 20:32.10 | Dagmar | Do you want to debate that point? |
| 20:32.14 | SqueeG | when the atendant comes over to debunk the claim |
| 20:32.15 | Shirik | Cidan: Unless they're still talking about the cream cheese bagel, not really :P |
| 20:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | I like oatmeal, Cidan. |
| 20:32.19 | SqueeG | the passenger goes into a hizzy |
| 20:32.22 | Shirik | but it seems to have gotten past that |
| 20:32.23 | SqueeG | where do you go? |
| 20:32.33 | Cidan | D: |
| 20:32.36 | Dagmar | Squeeg: You fire the attendant for starters |
| 20:32.38 | Blacksen | Saying "he should not have been arrested" is blatantly untrue - he broke the law. I don't care how stupid the law is - take it up with your Congressman. |
| 20:32.39 | Shirik | You all are talking about the wrong thing, anyway |
| 20:32.47 | Shirik | The most dangerous thing on an aircraft is not the passengers |
| 20:32.49 | Shirik | it is the pilot |
| 20:32.51 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Not all violations of law require arrests. |
| 20:32.53 | Dagmar | Deal with it |
| 20:33.06 | Jamash | Blacksen: If everyone who broke the law got arrested, every single person in the united states would be in prison for life. |
| 20:33.10 | Dagmar | Shirik: The're allowed to carry guns. |
| 20:33.26 | SqueeG | getting cuffed isn't necessarily being arrested :p |
| 20:33.30 | Shirik | I don't think they're dangerous because they're allowed to carry guns, I think they're dangerous because I don't trust them to fly an aircraft |
| 20:33.32 | SqueeG | I've been cuffed and escorted away |
| 20:33.33 | Blacksen | You're right. The fact that he was probably being a little bitch about it probably lead to the arrest. I'm sure that the regulation I'm referring to gets broken on an hourly basis |
| 20:33.35 | SqueeG | then let go xD |
| 20:34.17 | Cidan | So far as I can tell from reading in here, dude tries to use phone on airplane, capt. tells him to turn it off, he doesn't because he's an asshat, so he gets arrested |
| 20:34.31 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure he was arrested because they decided they were going to simply keep him to *annoy him* since he wasn't guilty of anything they could *legally* punish him for |
| 20:34.34 | Shirik | you missed the bagel and cream cheese part, Cidan |
| 20:34.38 | Cidan | I see. |
| 20:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | Asshats can expect to be singled out for enforcement, it's the privilege of being an asshat. You get the attention you're crusing for, but you don't always like it. |
| 20:34.55 | Shirik | Dude tries to put his bagel and cream cheese in overhead compartment, says on phone "I have boarded" |
| 20:35.04 | Shirik | Passenger things bagel and cream cheese is suspicious |
| 20:35.05 | SqueeG | Dagmar: the entire situation was an UNKOWN |
| 20:35.07 | Cidan | are you serious? |
| 20:35.12 | Cidan | Like, really? |
| 20:35.14 | Dagmar | Cidan: Basically, the situation should have never gotten to that point |
| 20:35.23 | Dagmar | Squeeg: What was unknown about it? |
| 20:35.36 | Dagmar | It's not *reasonable* to simply assume that everyone you see is a terrorist. |
| 20:35.39 | Dagmar | They lock you up for that! |
| 20:35.44 | SqueeG | they were attempting to'investigate' the paranoid passenger's claims |
| 20:35.46 | Dagmar | It's called paranoid delusions. |
| 20:35.49 | SqueeG | it couldhave been simply resolved |
| 20:35.50 | Blacksen | Dagmar: They don't know what's in the bag |
| 20:35.57 | Jamash | Blacksen: So what? |
| 20:35.58 | SqueeG | the other passenger could have then taken heat for LYING |
| 20:36.01 | Dagmar | Blacksen: They don't know what's in your pants either. |
| 20:36.06 | Shirik | They do now |
| 20:36.07 | Blacksen | Dagmar: They do now lol |
| 20:36.13 | Dagmar | They won't me. |
| 20:36.16 | Jamash | Blacksen: Actually they do since he *went through security* |
| 20:36.25 | Dagmar | If they try and find out, someone's getting a punch in the mouth. |
| 20:36.31 | SqueeG | Jamash: security is a fucking joke |
| 20:36.36 | Dagmar | No one touches my cock without buying me dinner first. No one. |
| 20:36.36 | Cidan | so wait wait wait, dude puts a bagel and cream cheese overhead, like, in a bag? |
| 20:36.39 | Jamash | SqueeG: different problem |
| 20:36.40 | Cidan | then says |
| 20:36.42 | SqueeG | And you'd end up just like him dagmar |
| 20:36.42 | Blacksen | Ironically, the airline also has the right to force any suspicious passenger to go through advanced screening |
| 20:36.42 | Cidan | on the phone |
| 20:36.42 | Cidan | I have boarded? |
| 20:36.47 | Blacksen | He would have counted as a suspicious passenger |
| 20:36.51 | Blacksen | so they could have found out what was in his pants |
| 20:36.52 | Blacksen | if they wanted to |
| 20:36.53 | Shirik | yes Cidan |
| 20:37.03 | Dagmar | Squeeg: Except I'd have the satisfaction of being arrested for something I actually did. |
| 20:37.03 | Shirik | Like his bagel and cream cheese was in a bag |
| 20:37.08 | Shirik | and he put it in the overhead compartment |
| 20:37.08 | SqueeG | lol |
| 20:37.10 | Cidan | Did he do it with the intent to be a dip shit? |
| 20:37.12 | Shirik | and then a passenger said it made a "strange noise" |
| 20:37.18 | SqueeG | He was escorted away for being a tard |
| 20:37.28 | Jamash | Blacksen: would you strip naked and sing show tunes if a flight attendant asked you to? |
| 20:37.36 | SqueeG | If I was him, I'd have gotten angry at the passenger |
| 20:37.39 | Shirik | If she's female |
| 20:37.41 | SqueeG | and raised unholy hell afterward |
| 20:37.44 | SqueeG | gotten free stuff |
| 20:37.56 | Dagmar | Jamash: Of course he would. We already established that Blacksun sees no problem with following even the most ludicrous instructions. |
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| 20:38.20 | Blacksen | I'd probably escalate the issue to TSA Personnel, but once you enter the airport and you meet the criteria for "suspicious," you must submit to advanced screening or face a fine |
| 20:38.34 | Blacksen | Remember that video of "don't touch my junk"? |
| 20:38.34 | Jamash | Blacksen: so? |
| 20:38.36 | Dagmar | You don't get to escalate anything. |
| 20:38.39 | Blacksen | Yeah, he got a $5000 fine |
| 20:38.47 | Dagmar | You didn't strip naked and sing show tunes, so you'd be arrested. |
| 20:39.17 | SqueeG | "arrested" and taken to the airport |
| 20:39.19 | Jamash | Blacksen: And do you think that it was reasonable to fine him $5000 for that? |
| 20:39.25 | SqueeG | so the security could sort it out |
| 20:39.27 | Blacksen | Actually, yeah. If I met the criteria for suspicious and was asked to go to a private room for advanced screening, they'd make me strip down to my underwear, and if I didn't, I'd be arrested and later fined |
| 20:39.28 | SqueeG | OFF THE PLANE |
| 20:39.47 | Jamash | Blacksen: I said flight attendant |
| 20:39.53 | Jamash | on the plane |
| 20:39.56 | Cidan | Personally, I am never flying on a plane. |
| 20:39.57 | Dagmar | There is *no criteria* for "suspicious". |
| 20:40.00 | Blacksen | Do I think the law's reasonable? Meh, I don't know. But what I do know is that there was a law, he agreed to it when he walked in, and he violated it - so yes, he should have been fined |
| 20:40.01 | Jamash | in front of everyone else |
| 20:40.13 | mckenziemc | are no criteria* |
| 20:40.20 | Blacksen | There is an official criteria for suspicious. You don't need to meet the criteria to be asked to shut off electronics |
| 20:40.27 | SqueeG | there is procedure against frivolity in laws |
| 20:40.34 | SqueeG | frivolousness? |
| 20:40.35 | SqueeG | w/e |
| 20:40.37 | Dagmar | Really? I've never seen it. Not even once. |
| 20:40.44 | Cidan | God I'm hungry. |
| 20:40.47 | Dagmar | It's always left carefully out of any documentation of that sort. |
| 20:40.50 | SqueeG | you can make suits for such things |
| 20:40.51 | mckenziemc | same cidan |
| 20:40.56 | Blacksen | Really? It's the source of all "racial profiling" arguments |
| 20:41.05 | Jamash | the official criterion of "suspiciousness" is "we don't like your face" |
| 20:41.06 | Dagmar | An employee can deem someone "suspicious" for any reason, at any time. |
| 20:41.07 | Blacksen | Because the criteria directly condones racial profiling |
| 20:41.11 | Dagmar | That's why this is a fucking problem. |
| 20:41.24 | Dagmar | It is *not* secure. |
| 20:41.32 | Blacksen | Causing a scene identifies you as a suspicious person |
| 20:41.39 | Dagmar | The only thing it does well is _redirects blame_ from employees. |
| 20:41.42 | Blacksen | If you start yelling on a plane in a fight with your wife, you're both now suspicious |
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| 20:41.56 | Blacksen | and if asked, you would have to submit to a strip-search or face arrest and a fine |
| 20:41.57 | Dagmar | That is not true. |
| 20:42.01 | SqueeG | You're getting angry at the people that were askign questions |
| 20:42.10 | SqueeG | not the person that FALSELY ACCUSED him |
| 20:42.21 | Dagmar | Again, there's that "reasonableness" word that a judge is _going_ to use. |
| 20:42.34 | Blacksen | That's great, but there's no counter-suit that will result |
| 20:42.44 | Blacksen | Like I said way back, the charges will get dismissed |
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| 20:42.52 | Blacksen | But he lost is plane ticket by throwing a fit on the plane |
| 20:42.53 | Dagmar | A judge is going to asses whether or not the "suspicious" behaviour was acutually "reasonable" by virtue of looking at the circumstances which led up to the situation itself. |
| 20:43.04 | Lopeppeppy | Poor judges, stuck in the middle of silly things. |
| 20:43.14 | Blacksen | That's true. It doesn't change the fact that he did get arrested and will have to go see the judge |
| 20:43.17 | Blacksen | and for his time, he'll get nothing back |
| 20:43.18 | syrae | hur hur. Dagmar said asses |
| 20:43.27 | Dagmar | He will rather likely get money back. |
| 20:43.43 | Dagmar | ...and after all this, we are not even a little bit secure from actual terrorist. |
| 20:43.43 | Blacksen | Extremely doubtful. Best case he gets bonus miles or w/e |
| 20:43.43 | SqueeG | But he caused the issue to escalate |
| 20:43.49 | SqueeG | he would've gotten MORE than money |
| 20:43.54 | Dagmar | Judges do not award "bonus miles". |
| 20:43.54 | SqueeG | if he hada just opened the bag |
| 20:43.59 | SqueeG | then got pissy with the other person |
| 20:44.11 | Blacksen | A judge would never award him money |
| 20:44.18 | SqueeG | from the airline |
| 20:44.22 | Dagmar | Squeeg: again, they should have never asked him to *open the bag |
| 20:44.43 | SqueeG | Dagmar: that's just erring on the side of caution |
| 20:44.44 | alestane | <nosequitor> A member of my family just asked whether there is any law that would actually prohibit him from eating human flesh.</nonsequitor> |
| 20:44.49 | Blacksen | He broke a clearly defined law and was arrested... The only thing the judge can do is challenge the laws' applications for the future. |
| 20:44.51 | Dagmar | A judge *should* award him money because only by experiencing financial pain will that company have any reason to change for the better. |
| 20:44.52 | SqueeG | it's not like they were asking him to strip down and dance |
| 20:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | I think so, alestane, but I'm not sure. |
| 20:45.06 | Blacksen | Also, this is all stupid: the trial judge and civil judge are very different |
| 20:45.08 | SqueeG | just... "hey, what's in the overhead. Can we see please?" |
| 20:45.15 | Blacksen | You don't get arrested and then get to counter sue |
| 20:45.18 | Blacksen | those are different courts |
| 20:45.36 | alestane | I don't know how you'd obtain it legally. But if you have it, Lopeppeppy, I'm not sure why you vouldn't eat it. |
| 20:45.41 | alestane | couldn't* |
| 20:45.46 | SqueeG | "no you're all ass holes, i'm getting a lawyer" |
| 20:45.52 | SqueeG | that's when you get taken off the plane |
| 20:45.56 | Dagmar | Squeeg: No. Quite seriously, they should have gotten airport security in there IMMEDIATELY if they had anything like a legitimate concern that the guy had a dangerous device in his bag. |
| 20:45.58 | SqueeG | you can call for a lawyer all you want then |
| 20:46.01 | SqueeG | OFF THE PLANE |
| 20:46.07 | Jamash | it's probably illegal due to laws on how to deal with human remains |
| 20:46.25 | Blacksen | Dagmar: I'm sure the situation was getting escalated very quickly. For all you know, there were military agents heading to the plane |
| 20:46.26 | Dagmar | If you ask a terrorist "Hey what's in that ticking bag?" he's going to push a fucking button and show you, most likely. |
| 20:46.29 | SqueeG | Dagmar: then that's a whole nother bag of beans |
| 20:46.37 | Blacksen | I'm guessing the whole ordeal lasted less than 90 seconds |
| 20:46.52 | Lopeppeppy | alestane -- FDA regulations on the meat. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa072301a.htm |
| 20:47.16 | Dagmar | Squeeg: No, it's acutally the bag of beans in question. |
| 20:47.22 | Dagmar | ...or bagels, as it were. |
| 20:47.32 | SqueeG | that's not what you've been insinuating |
| 20:47.44 | SqueeG | you've been stressing the guy's innocence |
| 20:47.48 | SqueeG | which was unknown |
| 20:47.51 | Dagmar | I haven't been "insinuating" anything. I've been saying flat out the entire thing was mishandled from the get-go. |
| 20:48.42 | Blacksen | Dagmar: did you know that passenger reports have consistently been the #1 deterrent to criminal activity and plane malfunctions? |
| 20:48.42 | Dagmar | If they had a concern, they should have gotten someone up there to deal with it immediately instead of acting like little tyrants about it. |
| 20:48.43 | Blacksen | Some passenger gets the balls to speak up and say "the engine sounds weird" |
| 20:48.43 | Blacksen | or "that guy is behaving strangely" |
| 20:48.43 | alestane | Sounds about right, Peppy... I didn't think there was likely to be any way to acquire it legally. But I'm not sure that eating it specifically constitutes a crime, although it probably depends on the jurisdiction. |
| 20:48.54 | SqueeG | and going straight to security, could be construed as blowing a situation out of proportion |
| 20:48.54 | Dagmar | Blacksen: Do you know that even if I drank a gallon of vodka I couldn't be stupid enough to believe that passenger complaints deter mechanical failures |
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| 20:49.15 | Dagmar | Squeeg: No, it actually wouldn't, because it's a _security problem_ |
| 20:49.19 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeah |
| 20:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | If you can't legally get it... there's a corollary in there for you about the legality of eating it. *poke* |
| 20:49.49 | Dagmar | In that guy's place I would have been offended if security hadn't shown pu |
| 20:49.58 | alestane | Sophistry, Peppy, I know. |
| 20:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | Don't be a sophist, or I'll suffocate you in the sopha. |
| 20:50.29 | Dagmar | This is a good part of why I'm pretty sure I just shouldn't fly without a lawyer |
| 20:50.57 | Dagmar | They're putting people through a whole lot of unnecessary bullshit that at the end of the day is simply *not* effective. |
| 20:51.03 | Jamash | I don't think anyone should fly until the entire TSA/homeland "security" complex is razed to the ground and rebuilt |
| 20:51.09 | alestane | And you wouldn't be able to resist telling them so. |
| 20:51.14 | Dagmar | ...and they expect everyone to just go along with it and _pretend_ that they're more secure |
| 20:51.21 | Dagmar | Pretending doesn't protect you. |
| 20:51.27 | Dagmar | alestane: I've done so a few times |
| 20:51.37 | Dagmar | They were pretty irritated with me at DFW at one AA counter |
| 20:51.44 | Fisker | QQ |
| 20:51.48 | Dagmar | The problem was... I WAS RIGHT. |
| 20:51.49 | Fisker | just did nefarian |
| 20:51.53 | Fisker | no mount for us though |
| 20:51.55 | Fisker | requires exalted |
| 20:51.58 | Fisker | SCIENCE DAMN YOU |
| 20:52.11 | alestane | But since you're never talking to policy makers, you're effectively just telling them you hate their bosses. |
| 20:52.18 | Jamash | my sister was barred from taking a bottle of white chocolate syrup on a plane |
| 20:52.24 | SqueeG | and they'll agree with you |
| 20:52.29 | Shirik | So I check my groupon today |
| 20:52.30 | Jamash | tell me who that protected |
| 20:52.35 | Dagmar | We're all standing around near the gate waiting to be told we can board the flight, right? Seats have already been assigned, everyone knows what seat they're in, but no one knows who anyone else is or where they're sitting. |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | $50 for Five Pole-Dancing Classes at Pole Pressure ($100 Value) |
| 20:52.46 | SqueeG | a a lot of these people in the industry hate the pony show too |
| 20:52.51 | Jamash | Shirik: Sounds like a bargain |
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| 20:52.56 | SqueeG | because they have ass holes blowing up at them all day |
| 20:53.03 | Dagmar | Then the nice AA gate attendant announces over the intercom _what seats numbers are being selected for random extra searches_ |
| 20:53.35 | Dagmar | Basically, saying in effect, if you have anything supicious on you and you're in one of these seats, please pass it to one of your traveling companions who is not being searched. |
| 20:53.45 | SqueeG | ./facepalm |
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| 20:53.51 | SqueeG | that's awesome |
| 20:53.54 | Jamash | rad |
| 20:54.13 | Dagmar | I, in my deep and melodic radio voice, re-announced it for them that way without even looking up |
| 20:54.35 | Dagmar | Since I didn't look up, and no one else was even looking around, they couldn't tell it was me. |
| 20:55.28 | SqueeG | nice dagmar :p |
| 20:55.34 | Dagmar | That's pretty much proof positive that any number of hand-grenades or bowie knives could have been passed around at that point. |
| 20:56.30 | SqueeG | this entire fucking thing is a joke |
| 20:56.51 | SqueeG | D: |
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| 20:57.34 | Jamash | the entire US criminal justice system is a joke |
| 20:59.43 | mikma | you know what else is a joke? |
| 21:00.02 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: Happy Birthday! |
| 21:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | That isn't a joke! |
| 21:01.10 | mckenziemc | : / |
| 21:01.26 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | Dagmar | As to security showing up being overkill, at a later time UA fucked me over with a 15m change of planes from C gate to A gate, which means you either RUN or you don't make it, so I ran |
| 21:01.45 | Dagmar | By the time I got there I had no less than five security people trailing me with a hand on a weapon |
| 21:01.48 | bleeter | Fisker++ |
| 21:01.51 | Dagmar | It was the *correct* response |
| 21:02.37 | Dagmar | ...because when a six foot guy with bleached white hair and lots of leather goes leaping and jumping through your airport, it's for good reason and if you're doing security that reason MIGHT be something you'd care to know about |
| 21:03.03 | mikma | cairenn|afk: i'm coming 1 week behind you then |
| 21:03.08 | Jamash | you should have yelled out "oh my paws and whiskers" |
| 21:03.40 | Dagmar | I actually complimented them on their professionality. None of them said anything until I turned around, saw them, and addressed them. |
| 21:03.47 | alestane | serves Cairenn|afk cake. |
| 21:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | Tasers are my friend. |
| 21:04.01 | Dagmar | F**k tasers |
| 21:04.11 | mikma | NO DON'T! the cake is a lie. |
| 21:04.20 | Dagmar | The next time I get hit with one I'm probably going to get zapped extra times just because the first zap isn't going to do much |
| 21:04.26 | SqueeG | 'don't tase me bro!' |
| 21:04.40 | Fisker | man this guy is hilarious |
| 21:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, double-tap. Always. |
| 21:04.43 | mikma | just face the hoe |
| 21:04.46 | Jamash | tase me baby one more time |
| 21:04.52 | Fisker | we did 3 ready checks, a whisper and several pokes on ventrilo |
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| 21:05.08 | Fisker | then he said he was there just didn't see or hear the checks, whispers or pokes on ventrilo |
| 21:05.09 | Fisker | :P |
| 21:05.14 | mikma | thats just tarded |
| 21:05.17 | Jamash | is he blind and or deaf? |
| 21:05.25 | Dagmar | He was fapping. |
| 21:05.28 | Fisker | naw Jamash |
| 21:05.30 | mikma | joining quitting and joining with masked host |
| 21:05.33 | Landrell | could've been afk? |
| 21:05.43 | Jamash | "he said he was there" |
| 21:05.51 | Landrell | true. |
| 21:05.53 | Landrell | weird. |
| 21:05.55 | Fisker | obviously Landrell |
| 21:05.59 | Fisker | just funny he's even trying |
| 21:06.07 | Jamash | he was toking |
| 21:06.09 | Fisker | there was a man in my house |
| 21:06.13 | Fisker | he had a mechanical arm |
| 21:06.14 | Dagmar | Fisker: Tell him to keep both hands on the keyboard |
| 21:06.17 | Landrell | which is "why" I was asking yet again. |
| 21:06.23 | mckenziemc | Fisker: did you kill him |
| 21:06.29 | Fisker | naw |
| 21:06.32 | Fisker | but he killed my wife |
| 21:06.40 | Jamash | with kindness? |
| 21:06.47 | Landrell | obviously not |
| 21:06.47 | Fisker | not sure |
| 21:06.48 | mckenziemc | how convenient |
| 21:06.58 | Fisker | i actually saw the movie a few weeks ago |
| 21:07.08 | Fisker | apparently it's something about some medicine research |
| 21:07.20 | Jamash | thalidomide? |
| 21:07.28 | Lunessa | The Fugitive is about as good as movie remakes get. |
| 21:07.33 | mikma | arsenic? |
| 21:07.46 | Dagmar | Worse. Monosodium glutamate. |
| 21:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | Old lace. |
| 21:07.54 | Jamash | hi-5s Lopeppeppy |
| 21:08.06 | Fisker | hi's Jamash |
| 21:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! |
| 21:08.12 | mckenziemc | tri nitro toluene |
| 21:08.30 | SqueeG | oh man |
| 21:08.37 | SqueeG | 3D Avatar porn |
| 21:08.44 | durcyn | Lunessa: The Departed was also a swell remake, fwiw |
| 21:09.05 | Lunessa | I haven't seen it. I /do/ want to see True Grit. |
| 21:09.12 | Fisker | hulk was a good remake |
| 21:09.16 | Fisker | giggles |
| 21:09.18 | Jamash | so how long until web pages start "requiring" a 3D display |
| 21:09.19 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: ammonium nitrogen tri-oxide > tri nitro tolulene |
| 21:09.33 | Dagmar | er s/tri-oxide/tri-iodide/ |
| 21:09.59 | Dagmar | Jamash: That depends on how quickly Sony can shill people into the W3C |
| 21:10.10 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.11 | mikma | squeeg: watch out that you dont accidentally come pregnant by that |
| 21:10.37 | SqueeG | OH GOD THE BONER! X.O |
| 21:10.47 | Dagmar | Jamash: That sounds familiar and I should know what that is, and damn you if this Google search becomes part of someone's investigation later |
| 21:10.49 | Landrell | lol |
| 21:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | Propelyne Glycol. |
| 21:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | Red Dye #4. |
| 21:10.59 | Jamash | RDX, the major ingredient in C4 |
| 21:11.02 | Dagmar | Oh yay . It's RDX. |
| 21:11.28 | Dagmar | Well... at least I'm pretty sure the FBI has me pegged as someone who would have blown up shit long before now if I was inclined to blow things up. |
| 21:11.39 | Jamash | nitroglycerin, neat |
| 21:11.49 | Dagmar | ANTI is better. |
| 21:11.56 | Dagmar | Way... WAY more fune. |
| 21:12.14 | Fisker | RDX is a raid addon? |
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| 21:12.36 | Dagmar | You know the stuff that's in those "Snap'N'Pops" they sell in the little bags of sawdust? |
| 21:13.00 | Dagmar | That's ammonium nitrogen tri-iodide in _very_ miniscule quantities |
| 21:13.05 | SqueeG | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/12/click_click_click_click_click.php |
| 21:13.12 | mikma | <3 kemix, its suitable for everything |
| 21:13.20 | Dagmar | It's very easy to make just don't for the love of god make more than a little bit at ay time |
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| 21:14.20 | Eol | Can addons write to disk? |
| 21:14.23 | Dagmar | For being a simple, room-temperature mixture of strong ammonia and iodine crystals, it's just too much fun |
| 21:14.34 | Jamash | Eol: Not directly, only through savedvariables |
| 21:14.37 | Dagmar | ...and will blow your fingers off all the way back to your wrist. |
| 21:14.51 | Jamash | 2 parts ammonia, 1 part bleach, inhale, expire |
| 21:14.53 | Eol | ah. well there goes that idea :) |
| 21:14.59 | Dagmar | Jamash: Eeuuuuww |
| 21:15.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: I got paid $50 for that once for pointing it out to my employer. Heheh |
| 21:15.29 | Jamash | someone was going to try it? |
| 21:15.33 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 21:15.35 | Dagmar | Not directly. |
| 21:15.42 | Jamash | use one then the other? |
| 21:15.45 | Dagmar | You know what a "planoform" is, right? |
| 21:15.48 | Eol | ok, maybe i can do this anyother way. Can I append data into the combat log? |
| 21:15.56 | Eol | I want to create a "threat logger" addon. |
| 21:16.14 | Jamash | Eol: you can log to a table in your addon's saved variable file |
| 21:16.20 | Dagmar | It's the document that tells the stocker at K-Mart what products go on what shelf. It's why some of these chain stores all look the same, just with their various sections swapped arond a little. |
| 21:16.29 | Dagmar | (K-Mart just being an example) |
| 21:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | Planograms, I remember those. |
| 21:18.27 | Dagmar | One of the planoforms for the housewares department for Hills Department Store actually specified that the bleach (then in glass bottles) should be on the top shelf to keep out of reach of the kiddies, and the ammonia--also in glass bottles--directly below it. |
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| 21:18.41 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 21:18.45 | Dagmar | One shelf failure and everyone is leaving the store. |
| 21:18.49 | Dagmar | ...one way or the other. |
| 21:19.25 | Dagmar | They changed it and put those two at opposite ends of the aisle. :) |
| 21:19.29 | Lunessa | Mostly in ambulances, some to the ER, the others to the morgue. |
| 21:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Like the ammonia is better for kids to drink. |
| 21:19.40 | Dagmar | I was especially pleased considering that my area was about as far from any exits as you could get |
| 21:20.22 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: I like to think it has something to do with the fact that no one (to my knowledge) has every written a song with lyrics saying "I'M SO BORED I'M DRINKIN' AMMONIA..." |
| 21:20.39 | mckenziemc | should put them on the bottom shelves imo D: |
| 21:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
| 21:21.02 | SqueeG | Dagmar: http://www.lyricstime.com/dead-milkmen-bleach-boys-lyrics.html |
| 21:21.10 | Dagmar | Squeeg: You know the song. :) |
| 21:21.17 | SqueeG | xD |
| 21:21.43 | Lunessa | Hey, it's got a bitter taste but it does go down easier than Pine Sol |
| 21:22.55 | Dagmar | Nasty after taste that stuff |
| 21:24.36 | kd3 | whee; school closed tomorrow too |
| 21:24.52 | SqueeG | no moar snooooooow T_T |
| 21:25.07 | syrae | send snow to California plz |
| 21:25.14 | Landrell | We just got hit with the winter weather advisory here in Illinois...going to see how long that will last. |
| 21:25.32 | syrae | It was below freezing when I started off to work today, so we could support evening snowz |
| 21:25.42 | Landrell | mmm, snow.. |
| 21:25.53 | Landrell | I think the high the day before yesterday was 15... |
| 21:25.59 | Lunessa | No, California has enough good shit. We're keeping the snow, bitches. |
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| 21:26.07 | Landrell | lawl |
| 21:26.23 | syrae | Lunessa: suck it. I didn't want to say hi to you anyway. *pout* |
| 21:26.30 | Jamash | I used to live in northern northern cali, we had 6ft of snow at my house and 8ft at a friend's |
| 21:26.34 | TC-Work | syrae: i agree |
| 21:26.43 | TC-Work | about the snow anyway |
| 21:26.46 | syrae | heh |
| 21:26.49 | Lunessa | Aww, you know you love me. Deep down. Like, 6' under. |
| 21:26.55 | Landrell | hah |
| 21:26.58 | Jamash | but that was only one year, usually we got a foot or two |
| 21:27.00 | mckenziemc | syrae: no snow please |
| 21:27.01 | syrae | Lunessa: and yeah, it was my fault for not setting up stuff sooner. Oh well |
| 21:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | 6 inches what? |
| 21:27.09 | TC-Work | well snow in socal anyway |
| 21:27.19 | TC-Work | down Lopeppeppy, down |
| 21:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I get it. |
| 21:27.31 | Lunessa | It's all good. I vegged out and check e-mail/twitter like ... ONCE while I was on break. |
| 21:27.50 | syrae | TC-Work: I'm in the South Bay Area. I would like a sprinkling one weekend or something |
| 21:28.00 | syrae | some time when I don't have to drive |
| 21:28.04 | Jamash | syrae: I used to live in cupertino, where are you at? |
| 21:28.11 | syrae | Jamash: I live in Santa Clara |
| 21:28.15 | Jamash | nice |
| 21:28.21 | syrae | I currently work in Cupertino |
| 21:28.27 | Jamash | at apple? :D |
| 21:28.33 | mckenziemc | magalia : / |
| 21:28.34 | Lunessa | The one thing I never could stand about Santa Clara... All the damned vampires. |
| 21:28.44 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:28.46 | Jamash | you're thinking of Sunnydale |
| 21:28.48 | syrae | HP. The campus that HP sold to Apple a few months ago. Soon I will be working in Palo Alto |
| 21:29.02 | Dagmar | I think it might be "god-damned vampires" tho |
| 21:29.17 | Dagmar | It's definitely not Sunnydale |
| 21:29.30 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Don't fuck with me on this. I know this movie better than the guy who wrote the script. :) |
| 21:29.36 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Okay. :) |
| 21:29.47 | Dagmar | I'm just glad I caught the reference |
| 21:30.08 | Dagmar | Did you see Lost Boys 3? |
| 21:30.39 | Dagmar | Soooo bad. Hheeh |
| 21:31.04 | Lunessa | No. I generally skip sequels that don't look awesome in their own right |
| 21:31.42 | Jamash | TITANIC 2 |
| 21:34.28 | Shirik | (16:24:35) (kd3) whee; school closed tomorrow too |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | What school? |
| 21:34.30 | Dagmar | For a buck, I figured it was worth the risk. Yay RedBox |
| 21:34.45 | kd3 | most of greater atlanta, at this point |
| 21:34.56 | kd3 | kennesaw state, in my case |
| 21:34.58 | Shirik | I've forgotten school exists! |
| 21:35.08 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:35.10 | Lunessa | Red Box is pretty awesome. I can walk across the street to one and a buck for a movie doesn't suck. However, I have Netflix so I don't even have to walk to get movies. |
| 21:35.33 | Shirik | Lunessa: Soon enough you won't even have to get out of bed |
| 21:35.44 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's what the iPad is for. |
| 21:35.46 | Fisker | i will pleasure you in bed Lunessa |
| 21:35.51 | Fisker | naw Lunessa |
| 21:36.03 | Dagmar | I smell a restraining order |
| 21:36.04 | Lunessa | No thanks Fisker. I've said it before... you have the wrong plumbing to entice me. |
| 21:36.16 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 21:36.18 | Fisker | what if i have a little bit of both? |
| 21:36.31 | Lunessa | I don't want your backdoor love, ok? |
| 21:39.05 | syrae | hrm |
| 21:39.15 | syrae | I really need to get my heater at home working again |
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| 21:39.32 | syrae | either that, or start sleeping in the office so my computer can keep me warm |
| 21:39.56 | mckenziemc | buy a portable heater : p |
| 21:40.05 | syrae | pfft |
| 21:40.14 | durcyn | boil yourself. |
| 21:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, heat is nice. |
| 21:40.45 | Shirik | buy a portable heater? |
| 21:40.47 | Shirik | Screw that |
| 21:40.50 | syrae | incidentally, my hot water is kinda more... mildly warm at the hottest |
| 21:40.51 | Shirik | My company is buying one for me |
| 21:40.56 | Shirik | I already secured that deal |
| 21:41.14 | syrae | and my shower drain is clogged and my shower has shitty water pressure |
| 21:41.28 | syrae | Really.... being on the cruise ship was a lot more awesome than being at home |
| 21:42.17 | Fisker | Shirik i think you're awesome |
| 21:42.43 | Shirik | Thanks, I do too |
| 21:43.09 | Dagmar | Just get a portable electric heater and mount it on the showerhead so it heats the water |
| 21:43.12 | TC-Work | Shirik: really? you 'secured a deal' do have your company buy you a heater? |
| 21:43.12 | Dagmar | All problems solved. |
| 21:43.14 | TC-Work | fail |
| 21:43.18 | mckenziemc | uh oh, Fisker's hitting on shirik now |
| 21:43.21 | Shirik | yes TC-Work! |
| 21:43.25 | Shirik | It's too cold in oregon! |
| 21:43.26 | TC-Work | F A I L |
| 21:43.39 | Shirik | Well "secured a deal" simply means "I've already asked my admin to buy a heater" :P |
| 21:43.43 | TC-Work | wait, is it for work or home? |
| 21:43.48 | Shirik | for work |
| 21:43.52 | TC-Work | oh, nvm then |
| 21:44.15 | durcyn | he's going to embezzle it |
| 21:44.45 | Shirik | So my relocation company asked me how much I'm trying to spend on an apartment |
| 21:44.49 | Lunessa | syrae: Generate heat, take home a boy and booze. :P |
| 21:44.56 | Shirik | I told them definitely under 950/mo, preferably under 800 |
| 21:45.06 | TC-Work | you have a company just for relocating? |
| 21:45.09 | Shirik | she types in 8100 and the realtor calls me back and was like "wtf is this?" |
| 21:45.11 | syrae | I left the boy in Texas |
| 21:45.18 | Shirik | Yes |
| 21:45.30 | Lunessa | syrae: Make him move then. :P |
| 21:45.34 | syrae | I'm trying! |
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| 21:45.48 | syrae | He's scared by how expensive California is |
| 21:46.01 | Dagmar | 8100? |
| 21:46.04 | Lunessa | So, you move to Austin then. Austin pretty much rocks. |
| 21:46.11 | TC-Work | mmm..Alec S. Bargman 818.888.3338AMEX - 371548461661000 Exp. 1/12 card id #9196 |
| 21:46.17 | TC-Work | wtf |
| 21:46.22 | Dagmar | That would ne enough to get you posh digs in LA. |
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| 21:46.59 | Dagmar | 950/mo will get you a shithole if you're inside the city proper tho |
| 21:47.04 | Shirik | I'm not |
| 21:47.06 | syrae | Lunessa: Austin was ok. it was still in Texas, though. :P |
| 21:47.10 | Shirik | or you're referring to LA |
| 21:47.14 | Shirik | but I'm out in the middle of nowhere anyway :P |
| 21:47.15 | Dagmar | LA or SF |
| 21:47.21 | Lunessa | Texas is awesome. And if you don't think so, you can suck it. :P |
| 21:47.28 | Dagmar | Yeah if you're in the middle of bloody nowhere 950 should do pretty well |
| 21:47.44 | syrae | Lunessa: spoken like a true Texan! :P |
| 21:48.07 | Lunessa | *flex* |
| 21:48.08 | syrae | really though.. I'm not sure I can take the weather in Texas. Too damned hot |
| 21:48.13 | mckenziemc | sucks Texas. |
| 21:48.17 | syrae | That's why I hated SoCal. |
| 21:48.26 | Lunessa | California does have some really nice weather. |
| 21:48.34 | Lunessa | Except the flooding and the fires. |
| 21:48.45 | syrae | No flooding or fires here. |
| 21:48.59 | tafoo | How do I use <TexCoords> to create a border around a frame? |
| 21:49.48 | syrae | In theory we get big earthquakes up here, but the last one was more than a decade ago |
| 21:49.59 | mckenziemc | which city |
| 21:50.12 | Lunessa | syrae: I'm from Los Angeles. So I know me some California. |
| 21:50.44 | syrae | Lunessa: right. LA burns. LA has droughts. LA has mud slides. LA has frequent earthquakes. LA has hot weather. |
| 21:50.58 | SqueeG | LA suuuuucks :p |
| 21:51.02 | SqueeG | NY ftw ;) |
| 21:51.16 | SqueeG | *looks outside at the cold and snow* |
| 21:51.19 | SqueeG | ah... never mind |
| 21:51.23 | Lunessa | Upstate NY isn't so bad. NYC blows goats. |
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| 21:51.48 | mckenziemc | poor goats |
| 21:51.56 | syrae | I grew up in Orange County and I wasn't fond of the area |
| 21:52.09 | syrae | Bay Area is nicer, but I still wouldn't mind moving north a bit more |
| 21:52.19 | Dagmar | Blasphemer. |
| 21:52.33 | Dagmar | Bay Area is awesome, except for Oakland. |
| 21:52.35 | mckenziemc | NoCal is nice :) |
| 21:53.05 | mckenziemc | <- born in Sacramento, lived there + Magalia (near Chico) and Arcata some |
| 21:53.40 | syrae | mckenziemc: ah. That's more Valley than Bay Area, though. :) It also gets warm there. And you get the grass fires |
| 21:53.43 | Kraps | There are oxen in my bed! Many many oxen! |
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| 21:53.53 | mckenziemc | yeah i don't like the valley |
| 21:53.58 | Jamash | I read that as "Bay Area is awesome, except for Outland." |
| 21:54.00 | syrae | Kraps: Many oxen! handle them! |
| 21:54.02 | mckenziemc | magalia = sierra nevada foothills |
| 21:54.11 | Dagmar | Jamash: Not far from the truth if you've seen Oakland |
| 21:54.14 | syrae | mckenziemc: yar. |
| 21:54.22 | Jamash | my dad got his laptop stolen in oakland |
| 21:54.25 | Kraps | Lunessa: dissing nyc? out! |
| 21:54.37 | Lunessa | syrae: I like San Francisco to visit, and Sacramento was nice for a while. But I don't know that I want to live there without having what I call "Fuck You Money." |
| 21:54.46 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 21:54.48 | TC-Work | ~seen Tim Riker |
| 21:54.56 | purl | TC-Work: i haven't seen 'tim riker' |
| 21:55.14 | Dagmar | Sure it's expensive, but you don't need to make car payments |
| 21:55.15 | syrae | Lunessa: yar. I'm lucky enough that I could afford to buy a small house after the market crashed, so I'm pretty happy here |
| 21:55.43 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't make car payments now. |
| 21:55.44 | Jamash | san francisco is awesome if your sister works at lucasfilm and gets a sweet deal on ex-military housing in the presidio |
| 21:56.01 | syrae | Jamash: that would be awesome. I love the Presidio |
| 21:56.08 | Dagmar | Jamash: Heh you could party with the CDC guys |
| 21:56.20 | Jamash | centers for disease control or cult of the dead cow? |
| 21:56.29 | Dagmar | Cult of the Dead Cow |
| 21:56.38 | Cidan | ha |
| 21:56.41 | Cidan | Cult of the Dead Cow |
| 21:56.44 | Cidan | old school |
| 21:56.44 | Dagmar | They were over in there and Treasure Island, last I checked |
| 21:57.30 | Jamash | are they still around? I haven't heard anything about them since the back orifice stuff |
| 21:57.40 | Dagmar | They didn't stop existing. |
| 21:57.49 | Dagmar | They're still mostly crazy |
| 21:57.59 | Jamash | I would hope so |
| 21:58.54 | Dagmar | You could probably contact them by just shining a cow-shaped spotlight in the sky and seeing who comes looking |
| 21:59.17 | Dagmar | It still boggles my mind how small the actual area that all takes up is |
| 22:00.48 | SqueeG | In December 1990, cDc member Drunkfux gave birth to the modern hacker con |
| 22:00.51 | SqueeG | ...awesome |
| 22:00.51 | Jamash | imo san francisco needs another great fire |
| 22:01.46 | Dagmar | Nah. |
| 22:02.03 | Dagmar | The SF "Fire Warriors" are merciless and swift |
| 22:02.16 | Dagmar | The city would meet it's demise at the hands of their chainsaws |
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| 22:07.12 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2034541 |
| 22:09.45 | Lunessa | I love the girls and the money and the shame of life. |
| 22:09.54 | Kraps | mumper is cory stockton :o |
| 22:10.09 | Dagmar | Kraps: ...and there we have it in writing... Tol Barad is still fucked |
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| 22:13.48 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2034539 |
| 22:15.17 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The most frustrating thing for me in Tol Barad is watching the goddmaned counter for the game-length change from 2-3 mins to 10 or more again. |
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| 22:21.12 | bleeter | Lunessa: Texas has nothing on Western Australia :P |
| 22:21.25 | Lunessa | bleeter: We have fewer sheep. |
| 22:21.47 | bleeter | suspects population density of sheep in Texas is greater than the density in WA |
| 22:23.17 | bleeter | Just don't get confused that because WA is ~8 times larger than Texas, it has 8 times more sheep :P |
| 22:23.24 | bleeter | baaaa |
| 22:23.34 | Lunessa | It has less population than the city I live in. |
| 22:23.48 | Lunessa | But I still suspect more sheep. |
| 22:24.15 | bleeter | though if you want a batshit insane desert area, you can't really go past Northern Territory. |
| 22:24.19 | Lunessa | Also, more oil. |
| 22:27.16 | Lunessa | Also, more bleeter, which could be in and of itself a pretty major difference. |
| 22:27.25 | bleeter | lotsa gas out that way, and uranium. and iron ore. and bauxite. and... and... |
| 22:27.25 | Dagmar | It explains the sheep. |
| 22:27.44 | bleeter | Lunessa: nah, one of my parents from there, not me tho |
| 22:28.36 | Lunessa | Well, you're all on the counter-balance continent. As long as you're not sucking up all my luminferious aether I don't care. |
| 22:29.51 | Lunessa | ... not many steampunk fans in here. |
| 22:30.51 | Jamash | sorry, I was huffing phlogiston, what's up? |
| 22:32.34 | cbreak | "The chaos produced seemingly nonsensical tradesâshares of Accenture were sold for a penny, for instance, while shares of Apple were purchased for $100,000 each. (Both trades were subsequently canceled.) " |
| 22:35.43 | Aurorus | cbreak: what are you smoking? :P |
| 22:35.52 | Dagmar | \Actual news. |
| 22:36.04 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/01/algorithms-take-control-of-wall-street.ars |
| 22:36.19 | Dagmar | Wall Street is run on a system that is *FAR* too much like Efnet of the 90's. |
| 22:36.53 | Lunessa | And heaven help anyone who tries to fix that tangled mass of FORTRAN and COBOL. |
| 22:37.48 | cbreak | Lunessa: these days, the tangled mess is written in OpenCL or CUDA |
| 22:37.56 | cbreak | at least some tangles of it |
| 22:38.13 | Dagmar | ...and the sad thing is that they run full-tilt without humans watching every move they make in realtime. |
| 22:38.16 | Lunessa | Which probably reference some serious legacy systems in the laguages I named. |
| 22:38.21 | Dagmar | EFNet channel ops knew better than that |
| 22:39.27 | Lunessa | I really shouldn't hate on FORTRAN and COBOL so much. They and PL1 kept me employed for a long time. |
| 22:39.29 | Aurorus | ooh, cool cbreak ty |
| 22:41.14 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~opera@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 22:42.41 | Dagmar | The sad part is that most of what comes from the people who get paid to work on Wall Street boils down to "computers r confusing to me" |
| 22:42.55 | cbreak | not those quant people |
| 22:43.17 | cbreak | "Money? We don't do money, we do numerical analysis" |
| 22:43.47 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's their bosses... the people who stop and start their paychecks, who scare me with the depth of their ignorance |
| 22:45.59 | Dagmar | The claims that it would be impossible to sort out what happened during the flash crash so no one should even try... those are just insane |
| 22:46.41 | Dagmar | What they're really saying is "Well, I still have my job and that would be a lot of work I'd have to do." |
| 22:48.01 | Dagmar | I figure someone's probably going to come out later and say "I figured out a simple way to crash your shit and the best part is it's quite legal" and there will be much crying |
| 22:48.48 | Dagmar | ...because the guys who were fuckin over EFNet back in the 90's now work for trading companies. |
| 22:50.24 | Kaelten | anyone know or know where I can get all the valid values of set realmlist |
| 22:50.57 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/01/the-security-device-that-bankers-dont-want-you-to-know-about.ars, also interesting. There was a talk at 27c3 about a similar topic. |
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| 22:57.03 | Dagmar | cbreak: Yeah, the banking industry's response was pretty shity |
| 22:59.29 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:00.50 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 23:00.50 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 23:01.20 | Cidan | so did you guys hear about the dude on the airplane with the cream cheese and bagel? |
| 23:01.34 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 23:01.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela_ (~Alexia@c-71-228-185-69.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:02.08 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:07.06 | mckenziemc | Fisker |
| 23:07.13 | mckenziemc | make me a sandwich |
| 23:07.28 | Fisker | no |
| 23:07.37 | Cidan | inb4 sudo |
| 23:07.52 | Fisker | in b4 this user is not on the sudoers list |
| 23:09.10 | Shirik | in b4 reported to santa |
| 23:09.20 | Fisker | in b4 i love you Shirik |
| 23:09.23 | Fisker | bai |
| 23:09.25 | Shirik | <3 |
| 23:09.31 | mckenziemc | inb4 Fisker uses a *nix system |
| 23:09.54 | Shirik | I made an operating system once |
| 23:10.04 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:10.11 | Shirik | I got as far as showing all memory on the screen |
| 23:10.38 | Shirik | it was fun because when you got to the point in the memory map where the video memory is, it starts going crazy as it keeps changing |
| 23:11.09 | Shirik | I guess I can't call it an "operating system" as much as a "bootloader that does way too much" |
| 23:11.30 | Shirik | I don't think I even ever shifted to protected mode |
| 23:11.39 | mckenziemc | hey shirik, are there any tools that let you easily plot data |
| 23:11.40 | Dagmar | So... like EMACs then |
| 23:11.45 | mckenziemc | addons |
| 23:11.52 | Shirik | LibGraph-2.0 |
| 23:11.58 | Shirik | also |
| 23:12.02 | Shirik | someone tell me how to use excel |
| 23:12.18 | mckenziemc | psh excel |
| 23:12.30 | mckenziemc | OO Calc |
| 23:12.38 | mckenziemc | but the point is doing it in-game |
| 23:13.13 | Dagmar | Ah yes... Excel as a WoW Addon |
| 23:13.14 | Seerah | Is there a way to get NPC info (Auctioneer, Trade Vendor, ect.) short of scanning the tooltip? am I just blind in not seeing it? |
| 23:13.38 | Shirik | the "doing it in-game" part is easy if youw ant to write that |
| 23:13.50 | Taroven | Seerah: Could just check to see if the frame is shown? |
| 23:13.53 | Shirik | libgraph just takes a table of data points |
| 23:14.04 | Seerah | Taroven: not for my purposes ;) |
| 23:14.42 | Taroven | Seerah: Dunno then. =P |
| 23:14.48 | Seerah | I want the text that's under their name |
| 23:15.27 | Dagmar | "Textiles Warrior!" |
| 23:15.29 | Seerah | Dawn Radue |
| 23:15.29 | Seerah | <Bag Merchant> <---that |
| 23:16.37 | Seerah | it goes away when nameplates are up, and I've always hated that |
| 23:16.43 | cbreak | haha... that's fun...: http://www.google.com/search?q=recursion |
| 23:18.28 | mckenziemc | huh |
| 23:18.34 | mckenziemc | oh |
| 23:20.12 | cog|work | Seerah: yes, very annoying... sadly i don't think it's available to the API directly |
| 23:21.42 | Taroven | Seerah: Actually... Check GetGuildInfo('target') on an npc. |
| 23:21.51 | Seerah | 0 |
| 23:21.57 | Taroven | Hm. |
| 23:22.10 | cog|work | that's what i thought too, until i got the 0 |
| 23:22.12 | Taroven | I remember there being some random guild function that returned npc role text. =\ |
| 23:23.14 | Seerah | using the [guild] tag with LibDogTags gave you the text, but I think it scanned the old tooltip before creating its new one for that data |
| 23:29.20 | Taroven | http://taroven.pastey.net/144707 - yay, initial parser's done. Just gotta figure out how the hell I want to handle the display. |
| 23:30.04 | Kraps | what is wolfram? |
| 23:30.07 | jnwhiteh | TomTomLite updated on WoWI and Curse adding support for corpse location and archaeology dig sites! |
| 23:31.15 | TC-Work | really Kraps? |
| 23:31.21 | TC-Work | please tell me you are trolling |
| 23:31.38 | durcyn | HOW DARE YOU NOT KNOW ABOUT $NERD_THING |
| 23:31.55 | TC-Work | define 'nerd' |
| 23:32.01 | durcyn | no |
| 23:32.04 | TC-Work | well then |
| 23:32.05 | durcyn | go look it up on wolfram |
| 23:32.19 | TC-Work | thats wolframalpha |
| 23:32.22 | TC-Work | not wolfram |
| 23:32.31 | TC-Work | which is a program unto itself |
| 23:32.32 | Kraps | TC-Work: i see it and it looks really awesome, like google with a point, but it seems so random |
| 23:32.48 | Dagmar | It's not a search engine is part of it. |
| 23:32.48 | TC-Work | it's good a pure data |
| 23:33.19 | mckenziemc | isn't that a CAS? |
| 23:33.31 | mckenziemc | nvm |
| 23:33.41 | TC-Work | s/a/at/ |
| 23:34.26 | Kraps | whats wolfram the software? |
| 23:35.32 | foxlit | Taroven: weird pastey |
| 23:35.42 | Taroven | foxlit: orly? |
| 23:35.52 | foxlit | yarly. |
| 23:36.05 | Taroven | How so? |
| 23:36.26 | foxlit | stuff like line 8 |
| 23:36.32 | foxlit | :find instead of :match |
| 23:36.35 | foxlit | rawset everywhere |
| 23:37.08 | Taroven | That func was originally a __newindex metatable, haven't entirely rewritten it yet =P |
| 23:37.29 | Taroven | :find just seemed to work best for the job. |
| 23:37.31 | Kraps | wolfram alpha is omgwtfbbq |
| 23:43.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@cpc3-chap8-2-0-cust26.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 23:43.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 23:43.45 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/2686537501 |
| 23:44.04 | mckenziemc | adys % adys |
| 23:44.14 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.42 | Adys | the modulo operator always scream of string formatting for me :( |
| 23:44.48 | Adys | +s |
| 23:45.01 | Cide | python ftw |
| 23:45.14 | mckenziemc | == 0 * |
| 23:47.00 | Cide | actually == is a special-case because of programming languages |
| 23:47.12 | Cide | the general notation is = |
| 23:47.16 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/01/google-goggles-solves-sudoku-puzzles.html |
| 23:47.17 | Kraps | like omg! http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=the+island+movie |
| 23:47.32 | foxlit | lua> adys = 0; return adys % adys |
| 23:47.32 | lua_bot | foxlit: nan |
| 23:47.37 | Dagmar | In computer programming, "==" means "do it especially slowly" |
| 23:48.26 | durcyn | oh, CentOS, why won't you die. |
| 23:48.26 | Adys | and === means "do it especially stupidly" |
| 23:49.09 | mckenziemc | lua> wowuidev == programming_not_mathematics |
| 23:49.09 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 23:49.23 | mckenziemc | ;) |
| 23:49.30 | Adys | Im pretty sure what you want is |
| 23:49.38 | Adys | lua> #wowuidev == programming_not_mathematics |
| 23:49.39 | Dagmar | The greeks had the right idea. |
| 23:49.39 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to get length of global 'wowuidev' (a nil value) |
| 23:49.44 | Adys | but since thats incorrect syntax |
| 23:49.46 | Adys | you need |
| 23:49.50 | Adys | lua> "#wowuidev" == programming_not_mathematics |
| 23:49.50 | lua_bot | Adys: false |
| 23:49.53 | Adys | aaaand voila |
| 23:49.58 | Dagmar | Not sure if you should have that kid? Just set him outside for a little while and let the gods decide. |
| 23:50.04 | Taroven | foxlit: I stand corrected. I have no idea why the hell I was using :find. XD |
| 23:51.16 | Taroven | http://taroven.pastey.net/144710 |
| 23:51.35 | Taroven | Much cleaner. |
| 23:51.46 | foxlit | line 8 |
| 23:51.52 | mckenziemc | isn't the # just an indicator that the channel should exist on all irc servers |
| 23:52.15 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 23:52.16 | Kraps | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=pizza lololol |
| 23:52.58 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: ...although what few reasons there were for server-local & channels kind of died like, fifteen years ago |
| 23:53.08 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:53.27 | Taroven | foxlit: Another artifact =P |
| 23:53.45 | Cide | Adys: and it works too! |
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| 23:54.39 | mckenziemc | Kraps: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Kraps |
| 23:54.41 | Dagmar | W|A is remarkably stone-faced about ignoring otherwise very sinister queries: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+pizzas+can+a+human+make |
| 23:54.59 | Dagmar | I am *quite* sure it would be able to work it out if it tried. |
| 23:55.43 | mckenziemc | no adys, that's semanticly different, you're comparing a string not a (nil and not actually typed but so what) reference to a channel |
| 23:56.30 | Adys | mckenziemc: I'm avoiding a syntax error in the proper spelling of #wowuidev |
| 23:57.01 | mckenziemc | lua> _G['#wowuidev'] == programming_not_mathematics |
| 23:57.02 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
