| 00:00.48 | Shirik | no they didn't? |
| 00:00.49 | Shirik | or no to fisker? |
| 00:01.02 | kd3 | now, where the hell's it extracting to? |
| 00:01.18 | Fisker | i don't know kd3 |
| 00:01.24 | Fisker | but you should get a sandy bridge |
| 00:01.42 | kd3 | with built-in MAFIAA-enforced drm? |
| 00:01.44 | kd3 | ...no |
| 00:02.00 | Fisker | ITT: We read headlines |
| 00:02.19 | Fisker | i also read on cardboard that obama is hitler kd3 |
| 00:02.25 | Amarande | what's this about DRM-enforcing CPUs? |
| 00:02.34 | Fisker | nothing Amarande |
| 00:02.45 | Fisker | just FUD from the obama is hitler-crew |
| 00:03.25 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/01/07/1553241/Intel-Insider-DRM-Risks-Monopoly-Investigations |
| 00:03.30 | Amarande | hmmmm. |
| 00:03.44 | Amarande | does this mean that soon an Intel CPU may be a requirement for Netflix and the like? |
| 00:03.51 | kd3 | read it and see |
| 00:03.52 | Arrowmaster | unlikely |
| 00:04.15 | Arrowmaster | i doubt any service will actually use it |
| 00:04.33 | Amarande | the odd thing is that a lot of this secure-path stuff seems not too different from tech that was specced out about 10-15 years ago |
| 00:04.35 | Amarande | remember I2O? |
| 00:04.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:05.21 | Fisker | the argument is pretty funny though |
| 00:05.28 | Amarande | I2O was this tech thing that was all about components being able to talk to each other and such, Intelligent I/O, probably would have made a decent framework for "secure path" too if I recall how it worked correctly |
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| 00:05.32 | Fisker | DRM is x, y and z |
| 00:05.36 | Fisker | but Intel, you're doing x, y and z |
| 00:05.42 | Fisker | DRM IS SOFTWARE NOT HARDWARE LALALALA |
| 00:05.50 | Fisker | fun |
| 00:05.50 | mikma | shut up fisker |
| 00:05.58 | Amarande | it had a lot of controversy, which was fairly legitimate, but actually had more to do with contracts than with any sort of DRM stuff (this was WELL before DRM) |
| 00:06.14 | Amarande | basically, it was being seen as a power play by Microsoft to kill Linux |
| 00:06.35 | Fisker | man when was that? |
| 00:06.41 | Fisker | would've loved that |
| 00:06.50 | Amarande | because one of the things about the standard was that it was going to have specs available only via an NDA, which would make it impossible for open source OS's to produce drivers compliant with the NDA and with the GPL or BSD license |
| 00:06.58 | Fisker | Or is it just the whole windows media server technologies EU and Microsoft got in a fight about? |
| 00:07.16 | Amarande | Fisker: I2O was late 90s, I think it may have been before that |
| 00:07.34 | Amarande | It was basically an attempt by MS to get the hardware standard to move in a direction that would result in only closed source OS's being legal |
| 00:07.37 | Arrowmaster | i doubt the drm tech in sandy bridge will ever be used on actual PCs, it could be used in set top devices though, but sandy bridge has a serious flaw in its HDMI output and i wouldnt consider it a good option for a set top box, although im sure others will completely ignore that and do it anyway |
| 00:07.52 | Amarande | Arrow: heh. |
| 00:07.57 | Amarande | I'm surprised that term is still used |
| 00:07.58 | Shirik | so..... what is it? |
| 00:08.01 | Shirik | Is it just encryption? |
| 00:08.09 | Fisker | i guess it's something similar to HDCP |
| 00:08.14 | Fisker | but requires a sandy bridge cpu |
| 00:08.29 | Amarande | "set top box", that is |
| 00:08.44 | Arrowmaster | i doubt its just a cpu, it probably requires usage of the integrated GPU too |
| 00:08.54 | kd3 | ok, grr, this is annoying. the client's obviously extracting something (it freezes for a half-second), but damned if I can find it |
| 00:09.25 | foxlit | kd3: it does no such thing :P |
| 00:09.27 | Arrowmaster | kd3: get a file io monitor |
| 00:09.36 | foxlit | Finished downloading data yet? |
| 00:10.01 | zenzelezz | kd3: it's not extracting, it's uploading all your passwords |
| 00:10.22 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: what would you rather call it than 'set top box' |
| 00:10.24 | kd3 | I've got all the ptr data downloaded, presumably (left over from the 4.0.1 ptr). char locked though |
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| 00:10.47 | Fisker | i thought you said you had top men looking at it! |
| 00:11.10 | foxlit | because ExportInterfaceFiles art is instant for me, after having finished the download process. |
| 00:11.18 | kd3 | they are. I just poked a few of them |
| 00:12.35 | Fisker | i know SQL! |
| 00:14.40 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: not exactly sure what the new name should be :) |
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| 00:16.02 | Amarande | but give it one more generation and people will wonder why the hell they're *called* that heh |
| 00:17.36 | Arrowmaster | well i was also referring to stuff like cable/satalite/uverse boxes |
| 00:18.31 | Amarande | yeah, I know. |
| 00:18.52 | Amarande | I just think people will wonder about the term once the generation of folks who remember CRT TVs fades into history |
| 00:19.05 | Arrowmaster | in the cable/uverse case they have access to a high speed net connection so they could be used for streaming video from the internet instead of the much more relatively secured cable/uverse connection |
| 00:19.08 | Amarande | since you certainly can't put anything on top of a flat panel ;) |
| 00:19.16 | Arrowmaster | ah |
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| 00:19.36 | Amarande | btw, is wireless-G good enough for the netflix wifi functions on bluray players or do I need to get a wireless-N router? |
| 00:19.42 | Arrowmaster | good point, since they dont go on 'top' of the 'set' anymore, but at least they are still 'boxes' |
| 00:20.16 | Arrowmaster | depends on distance, remember wifi speed is highly dependent on distance |
| 00:21.09 | Arrowmaster | also you just said netflix right? so this is a signal coming from the internet? |
| 00:21.49 | foxlit | I somehow queued for normal by mistake. |
| 00:21.53 | foxlit | It was pure bliss. |
| 00:22.13 | Arrowmaster | if so then 802.11b should even be fast enough to handle a stream coming from the internet |
| 00:24.25 | Ycarene | I use G for my WII to stream |
| 00:25.02 | KarlKFI | i use G on my PS3 to stream netflix |
| 00:25.18 | KarlKFI | G is likely WAY faster than your internet connection |
| 00:25.25 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11#Protocols |
| 00:25.55 | Arrowmaster | G at max distance is probably good enough |
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| 00:27.02 | KarlKFI | 22 Mbit/s average is prolly more than double your internet speed unless you have one of the top 2 tiers and pay $100/mo |
| 00:27.52 | Arrowmaster | i think i can get a 15 Mbit/s connection for $55/mo |
| 00:28.18 | KarlKFI | as do i. but the next tier up is $100/mo |
| 00:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | i hate all of you so much |
| 00:28.30 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 00:28.44 | Arrowmaster | its so damn hard to check since i have to use fake data in the new subscriber sign up to get it to ever tell me what speeds are available, they dont have them posted anywhere else that i can find |
| 00:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | $50 ish for up to 6 mbit down |
| 00:29.00 | Mr_Rabies | i get about 3.5 |
| 00:29.01 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 00:29.12 | KarlKFI | plus they always like powerboosted numbers |
| 00:29.16 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: $45 for 7mbit |
| 00:29.17 | KarlKFI | list* |
| 00:29.20 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 00:29.27 | Mr_Rabies | literally my only option other than satellite or dial up |
| 00:29.43 | KarlKFI | most places are monopolies above dsl speeds |
| 00:29.57 | Arrowmaster | used to be 55 or 60 i think since we dont have cable tv but i think they removed the extra cost for customers without cabletv service |
| 00:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | even dsl is a monopoly out here |
| 00:30.03 | Mr_Rabies | no cable |
| 00:30.24 | kd3 | ok, I think I've got a working diff now. 320k instead of 1.7 megs |
| 00:30.34 | Dagmar | Most places are just plain monopolies |
| 00:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | i look up my address on comcast's website, they used to list counties my city wasn't even in, and not the county it's in, and now they can't even find the street |
| 00:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | "city" being the loosest definition |
| 00:31.01 | Dagmar | Outside of about two dozen US cities, it's nothing but monopolies as far as the eye can see |
| 00:31.04 | KarlKFI | if you have sbc telephone service you might be able to get a quad bonded 20Mbit/s |
| 00:31.12 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: could be worse, my uncle has one of the 3g to wifi basestations because he cant get dsl or cable |
| 00:31.13 | kd3 | hey Cairenn, poke |
| 00:31.28 | Mr_Rabies | it used to be bellsouth |
| 00:31.31 | Mr_Rabies | and i got 6 mbit then |
| 00:31.40 | Arrowmaster | i wonder why they havent tried to switch 3.7ghz from 802.11a to 802.11n |
| 00:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | but now it's at&t and they haven't maintained the lines at all |
| 00:31.41 | Dagmar | Now it's AT&T again. |
| 00:31.43 | Dagmar | Amazing how that works |
| 00:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | so i'm getting a bit over half of what i'm paying for |
| 00:32.15 | Mr_Rabies | with daily disconnects at 8:00 pm and 1:00 am |
| 00:32.25 | Dagmar | It's not enough to bust a monopoly once... You have to SMASH THEM TO BITS so they can never, ever reform |
| 00:32.30 | Amarande | I thought one of the things with DSL was that the ISP was separate from the ILEC even though it's over the ILEC's phone line? |
| 00:32.42 | airtonix | yes |
| 00:32.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nah |
| 00:32.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: AT&T is more like a blob of mercury. It reforms when it's smashed into bits. :) |
| 00:32.55 | Mr_Rabies | t-1000 |
| 00:32.56 | Mr_Rabies | imo |
| 00:33.07 | Dagmar | Freeze 'em, then smash 'em, then freeze 'em again. |
| 00:33.16 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the rates are always the same for every isp available to you though |
| 00:33.24 | Dagmar | Have tourists through and offer them hammer rentals to keep smashin' em |
| 00:33.40 | airtonix | or just keep it in stasis |
| 00:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | it would be awesome if the governator got a job at the fcc and wrecked at&t to complete my reference |
| 00:34.08 | Dagmar | Basically, it's like this |
| 00:34.15 | Dagmar | Capitalism is about competition. |
| 00:34.27 | airtonix | and competition is about patents |
| 00:34.29 | Arrowmaster | btw i fucking hate verizon, my chances of ever getting fios here are now 0 since they are pulling out of ohio and selling their telcos |
| 00:34.42 | airtonix | fucking patents...how do they work? |
| 00:34.43 | Dagmar | If we were to really, *fully* embrace the spirit of competition, in every monopoly market, the goverment should open up a competitor with completely open books. |
| 00:35.12 | Dagmar | airtonix: Mainy by fucking everyone over and stifling invention at it's core |
| 00:35.29 | Dagmar | Patents haven't worked in a long time. |
| 00:35.31 | Cairenn | kd3: hi |
| 00:35.37 | Dagmar | Not since the 80's I think |
| 00:35.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: I see finally someone here besides me recognizes that. |
| 00:36.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: I was saying it *in* the 80's when they drafted the new fucked up rules |
| 00:36.37 | Dagmar | They failed utterly when they decided to exclude the concept of independent innovation from the system. |
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| 00:37.01 | Dagmar | That led _directly_ to what we have now, which is a system for taking credit for other people's later inventions. |
| 00:37.40 | Dagmar | You *can't* invent anything now, because someone's already got a vague patent on it, no matter what it is. |
| 00:37.55 | Dagmar | ...and this is pretty much a leading cause for why the economy is in the shitter. |
| 00:38.01 | Amarande | I wonder what % of software is technically illegal these days due to patents. Even the stuff you purchase from larger publishers. |
| 00:38.17 | Dagmar | Nothing new and innovative is happening because nothing new and innovative _can_ happen without old money claiming ownership of it |
| 00:40.58 | foxlit | And Yet It Moves! |
| 00:41.16 | Dagmar | Someone's probably got a patent on it. |
| 00:41.31 | foxlit | [actually quite awesome, and in the store, but I've already got it :(] |
| 00:41.33 | airtonix | i do |
| 00:41.57 | Amarande | The only good thing about patent law is that at least it never gets retroactive extensions, and the duration is a lot shorter than copyright. |
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| 00:43.21 | airtonix | i've overthrown governments for less |
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| 00:49.34 | bluspacecow | quiet day in chan |
| 00:50.23 | airtonix | a day of contemplation |
| 00:50.37 | airtonix | and monologues |
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| 00:59.29 | Cide | nevcairiel: wake up~ |
| 00:59.54 | Shirik | Cide |
| 00:59.57 | Shirik | go to sleep |
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| 01:02.38 | smcn | anyone in the northwest using qwest & having dns/routing issues? |
| 01:02.58 | smcn | northwest us i should say :P |
| 01:03.54 | Cide | Shirik: it's 2am? |
| 01:04.00 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 01:04.07 | Cide | that's not sleep time by 4h |
| 01:04.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:04.51 | Cide | wtb more fps in wow on wine though |
| 01:05.22 | Shirik | wtb more fps in wow on windows |
| 01:06.11 | Cide | I have plenty there |
| 01:07.18 | Shirik | I do not |
| 01:07.22 | Shirik | I need a new computer :( |
| 01:07.27 | Cide | it's because you're not on doomhammer |
| 01:07.37 | Cide | it has a +20 fps modifier |
| 01:10.16 | Cide | 4 bosses down in a week too! |
| 01:10.28 | kd3 | emails away, fixed this time |
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| 01:11.08 | Shirik | Cide :( |
| 01:11.12 | airtonix | greetings lucky punters |
| 01:11.22 | Cide | inorite |
| 01:11.30 | Cide | we're lacking healers too! |
| 01:12.33 | Cide | nevcairiel: wakey wakey |
| 01:18.38 | Mr_Rabies | so protip |
| 01:18.53 | Mr_Rabies | if you guys use the dial-in authenticator, switch to a mobile or fob one |
| 01:19.05 | Mr_Rabies | because it didn't do crap to stop my account from getting hacked |
| 01:21.06 | olafski | what's a dial in authenticator? |
| 01:21.08 | Cide | just because it doesn't always help doesn't mean it never helps |
| 01:21.12 | olafski | you have to call a number and it'll tell you a code? |
| 01:22.25 | Mr_Rabies | if it detects you've logged in from somewhere else than home |
| 01:22.26 | Mr_Rabies | IN THEORY |
| 01:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | apparently china isn't far enough away though |
| 01:22.48 | Cide | what makes you think chinea hacked you? |
| 01:22.59 | Cide | china |
| 01:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | had a gmail login from china at 4am yesterday |
| 01:23.05 | Mr_Rabies | er, today |
| 01:23.13 | olafski | there are obviously no hackers in other countries! |
| 01:23.28 | Cide | how can you tell? |
| 01:23.38 | Mr_Rabies | bottom of the gmail page, there's a login details thing |
| 01:23.52 | Mr_Rabies | it tells you the locations of the last 10 or so logins |
| 01:24.09 | airtonix | assuming you use the gmail.com |
| 01:24.10 | Cide | could use proxies for the actual logging in |
| 01:24.13 | Dagmar | So you've changed your password now, right? |
| 01:24.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 01:24.27 | Dagmar | On a computer other than the one with the keylogger on it? |
| 01:24.31 | Iriel | I'm confused |
| 01:24.36 | Iriel | How do gmail and wow relate here |
| 01:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | Dagmar: yeah, i haven't logged into anything on the potentially malwarified computer yet |
| 01:25.00 | airtonix | via a tenuous and (patented) thread |
| 01:25.02 | Mr_Rabies | waiting for scans to clear |
| 01:25.26 | Mr_Rabies | but i went to a confirmed safe computer and changed them all |
| 01:25.28 | airtonix | haha |
| 01:25.34 | airtonix | that's what you get for using windows |
| 01:25.41 | airtonix | <more evil laughter/> |
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| 01:26.00 | airtonix | i see your kung-fu is weak |
| 01:26.09 | Cide | clearly it's impossible to create a keylogger for linux |
| 01:26.15 | airtonix | witness my kyugaun-ryouu style |
| 01:26.20 | Mr_Rabies | i don't believe i got keylogged |
| 01:26.23 | Mr_Rabies | i'll see |
| 01:26.25 | bluspacecow | not sure how kung fu is relevant here |
| 01:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think it was just shitty password policy on my behalf |
| 01:26.47 | Hell-Razor | anybody here use deus vox encounters? i loved the hell out of it in lk but now in cata it doesnt seem to work - even when i load it nothing happens in instances |
| 01:27.28 | Mr_Rabies | i lock down my computer as far as windows will let me |
| 01:27.33 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowace.com/addons/deus-vox-encounters/files/ |
| 01:27.39 | Mr_Rabies | but i practice really terrible password policy |
| 01:27.42 | Mr_Rabies | or did |
| 01:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | until today! |
| 01:27.52 | airtonix | that's what all reformists say |
| 01:27.53 | Cide | good plan |
| 01:27.55 | bluspacecow | probably haven't update to one tagged for Cata |
| 01:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | now that i'm forced to remember which sites i need to change my password on |
| 01:28.38 | Hell-Razor | bluspacecow, im running v507-9-gf7a0bc5 |
| 01:28.54 | bluspacecow | \(o_O)/ |
| 01:28.56 | Hell-Razor | which is he most up to date |
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| 01:29.05 | Cide | that your password too? |
| 01:29.10 | bluspacecow | check that page for tickets of it not working |
| 01:29.13 | bobsmith | hello all :) |
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| 01:30.14 | airtonix | hello bob |
| 01:30.34 | bobsmith | are you familiar with lua that you can answer a question? :) |
| 01:30.55 | airtonix | no i am not bob |
| 01:31.02 | bobsmith | okay no problem |
| 01:31.08 | bluspacecow | lolz airtonix |
| 01:31.14 | bluspacecow | bob asked your question pls |
| 01:31.19 | bluspacecow | *ask your question |
| 01:31.38 | Mr_Rabies | ~asktoask |
| 01:31.38 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:31.43 | bobsmith | okay I'm trying to do something really basic, i made a variable, made a function with that variable in it, then i made another function to call up that variable |
| 01:32.00 | bobsmith | but for some reason it's not working |
| 01:32.00 | airtonix | ~pastebin |
| 01:32.00 | purl | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 01:32.11 | airtonix | bobsmith, start by giving example of your code |
| 01:32.13 | bluspacecow | put your code in a pastebin bob |
| 01:32.19 | bluspacecow | then give us the URL |
| 01:32.25 | bobsmith | okay let me go do that =) |
| 01:34.14 | bobsmith | http://pastebin.com/itWUETQ9 |
| 01:35.15 | bobsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.55 | Graveeater | is colormytext a table? |
| 01:36.03 | bobsmith | just a function |
| 01:36.10 | bobsmith | to print out a line of text |
| 01:36.53 | Graveeater | did you enable the "lua errors option" in your client? |
| 01:37.19 | bobsmith | yes how do I debug it? someone said to use d(text) but i dont' know how to dot hat |
| 01:37.57 | Graveeater | so, do you get any errors? |
| 01:38.11 | bobsmith | nothing happens when i click my button |
| 01:38.20 | airtonix | i recommend bugsack & co |
| 01:38.23 | Iriel | I think your error is you have .. link, instead of .. backtoflag |
| 01:39.16 | bobsmith | okay i changed it to backtoflag but still nothing happened |
| 01:39.42 | Graveeater | well, do you have a macro on your button? |
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| 01:40.13 | bobsmith | i was using this command SendChatMessage(L"/s ",L"") and that worked |
| 01:40.32 | bobsmith | but when i take out the part ,L"" it doesn't work, i am not quite sure why |
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| 01:42.10 | Iriel | Oh, because that's 2 parameters |
| 01:42.15 | Iriel | but you only have one in your code |
| 01:42.23 | Iriel | You need to tell it what KIND of chat message you're sending |
| 01:42.32 | Iriel | ~api SendChatMessage |
| 01:42.32 | purl | !api SendChatMessage |
| 01:42.33 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 01:42.50 | Iriel | Oh, but it defaults to say |
| 01:42.52 | Iriel | so perhaps not. |
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| 01:43.44 | Iriel | You could stick this before the SendChatMessage: print("Sending chat message") |
| 01:43.52 | Iriel | that'd tell you if the code's even being called |
| 01:44.51 | bobsmith | well, that's a minor problem so i will figure it out slowly, but i have another question. Is there a <LINKdata ="ITEM: ######"> function in wow? |
| 01:45.37 | Gnarfoz | no (what is that supposed to be?) |
| 01:46.04 | bobsmith | ok just a warhammer api then i guess. I dont quite know how to use it but i'm trying to figure out |
| 01:47.07 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't even look like Lua is what I'm trying to say |
| 01:47.46 | bobsmith | the whole thing allows me to type in a line of text in any colors i want and u can click on it ... |
| 01:48.07 | bobsmith | <LINKdata="ITEM: 111111" text="blah" color="111,111,111"> |
| 01:48.20 | Graveeater | you want an item link? |
| 01:48.29 | Gnarfoz | that looks rather xml-ish, and I have no clue about warhammer |
| 01:48.50 | Gnarfoz | probably best to scrub all knowledge of that, there's probably zero overlap |
| 01:49.26 | bobsmith | it works i just want to figure out how to use it in the addon so i can link text in colors for certain situations |
| 01:49.39 | Iriel | Does warammer put those XML-ish things inside a text string? |
| 01:49.54 | Gnarfoz | that works? in wow? oO |
| 01:49.58 | Iriel | If so, WoW has a similar facility, but it uses |-escaped things |
| 01:50.01 | bobsmith | sorry no, in warhammer |
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| 01:50.10 | bobsmith | i would ask in the waruidev channel but no one is there |
| 01:50.52 | bobsmith | and yah the link works in warhammer |
| 01:51.04 | bobsmith | pretty much u can link anything and type in anycolors u want |
| 01:51.16 | Gnarfoz | well, I hope you find someone who knows Warhammer's script environment, I know nothing about it :D |
| 01:51.29 | Graveeater | neither do I |
| 01:51.31 | bobsmith | it's very similar to wow so far ...i used to play wow hehe |
| 01:51.40 | bobsmith | since closed beta, been too long... |
| 02:02.30 | Graveeater | !api isframetype |
| 02:02.31 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'isframetype'. |
| 02:02.59 | Amarande | I think the WoW type scripting might even be becoming sort of a standard in MMOs |
| 02:03.06 | Graveeater | !api IsFrameType |
| 02:03.07 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'IsFrameType'. |
| 02:03.20 | Amarande | when I first got LOTRO for instance, I noticed how similar the interface design appeared to WoW, and I seem to recall LOTRO accepts Lua addons as well |
| 02:03.48 | Graveeater | well, even if they share the language, the framework may be very different |
| 02:04.21 | Amarande | LOTRO almost leaves me feeling like I'm playing WoW in Middle-Earth. |
| 02:04.35 | Amarande | I'm surprised the LOTR license wasn't enough to drag more folks away from WoW. |
| 02:05.01 | bobsmith | i tried it for a few days....it was kinda weird to play, in the way you move around and such |
| 02:05.24 | Amarande | especially combined with the fact that LOTRO has some design features that it took until LK or Cata for Blizzard to include |
| 02:05.27 | bobsmith | i like pretty graphics, wow is by far my fav mmo |
| 02:05.37 | Amarande | bobsmith: WASD is "kinda weird"? :) |
| 02:05.49 | bobsmith | no, lotro |
| 02:05.54 | Amarande | even the mouse movement seems to be the same as WoW |
| 02:05.55 | Hell-Razor | hrnmm dxe is still not working |
| 02:06.00 | Amarande | WASD, the movement keys you silly |
| 02:06.14 | bobsmith | oh, sorry, yah when i tried it was fairly new to video games |
| 02:06.16 | Amarande | hmm, what has LOTRO had for what seems forever that WoW didn't have for a long time |
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| 02:06.29 | bobsmith | i'm a bookworm, not much of a gamer until i was like 22 |
| 02:06.34 | Amarande | Phasing, for one. I noticed they have phased areas even very early on. |
| 02:06.48 | Amarande | When's the first time WoW used phasing seriously for questing ... I think it was maybe the Spectrecles quests in SMV? |
| 02:06.59 | bobsmith | oh yah.... |
| 02:07.02 | Amarande | and it didn't really get big until LK |
| 02:07.06 | bobsmith | honestly though i dont like phasing |
| 02:07.24 | bobsmith | i really hated that part in wotlk |
| 02:07.30 | bobsmith | esp. with some of the quests |
| 02:07.33 | Amarande | bobsmith, it's a necessity to have any real sense of story progression in an MMO like WoW |
| 02:07.49 | bobsmith | for some people, yes. |
| 02:07.50 | Amarande | the only real way to do that and enable everyone to do the same quests is either have phasing or FULL instancing like Guild Wars |
| 02:08.39 | Amarande | otherwise, you can only have TV-sitcom style quests, pretty much. |
| 02:08.46 | Graveeater | well, in theory one could create enough different quests |
| 02:09.51 | Amarande | Another thing I've seen with LOTRO is something I don't think WoW has done yet at all. |
| 02:10.25 | bobsmith | there's public quests in warhammer -- something i dont remember seeing in wow...it's kinda neat. |
| 02:10.29 | Amarande | When you have a quest to gather X number of foo's, in LOTRO you don't even appear to have to compete with other players for the gathers, however OTOH it remembers that you took a given node so you can't use the same one twice. |
| 02:11.01 | Amarande | In WoW, this is only ever the case with quests where you have to get one-of-each of multiple items. |
| 02:12.50 | Cide | nobody cares |
| 02:12.58 | Cide | go join #lotrouidev |
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| 02:21.22 | airtonix | witness the power of CideRage(tm)(r) |
| 02:21.41 | airtonix | there can only be one |
| 02:22.53 | Nobgul | Anyone know of a addon that spams a msg to trade or other channel's on a timer? |
| 02:23.06 | airtonix | yes |
| 02:23.27 | Nobgul | Thats updated for 4.01 |
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| 02:23.38 | airtonix | yes |
| 02:23.41 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 02:23.48 | airtonix | f5 isn't updated |
| 02:23.55 | Nobgul | lol |
| 02:31.22 | Amarande | tries to puzzle out the purpose of this shuffling around of druid heal spells next patch |
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| 02:43.39 | Cide | well let's see |
| 02:43.50 | Cide | nourish trained early on instead of healing touch |
| 02:44.03 | Cide | much easier leveling time |
| 02:44.10 | Cide | since nourish is much easier to use correctly |
| 02:46.22 | Amarande | Mainly I was trying to figure out whether it got you used to the right or the wrong spell for 81+ |
| 02:46.32 | Dagmar | Crap. I *just* learned how to use the ones I have |
| 02:46.36 | Cide | bad players are bad |
| 02:46.57 | Cide | doesn't matter when you learn your spells |
| 02:47.14 | Dagmar | Now that I can agree with |
| 02:47.17 | Cide | naturally you don't want to overwhelm players early on but that's another story |
| 02:47.21 | bobsmith | i think there's a term for that -- the baddie, don't be one :) |
| 02:47.38 | Dagmar | I had to explain to a noob paladin that you *back the f**k up* when you are surrounded by mobs |
| 02:47.58 | Amarande | I'm in a druid-heavy guild, and I remember our druids that kicked ass and took names in ICC10 (we were a 10/12 HMs guild in LK, even despite only really getting started as a raid in mid August or so) having all kinds of issues having to relearn healing practically from the ground up in Cata because the spells that were efficient and good in LK became mana sieves in Cata |
| 02:48.21 | Amarande | I remember one spell in particular that was useful in LK being found to be particularly taxing on the mana in Cata, and I can't remember which |
| 02:48.21 | Dagmar | For some reason, it wasn't obvious to him (from the rapid dying) that the three guys who were *behind* him were handing him his ass |
| 02:48.26 | Cide | it wasn't about relearning how to heal |
| 02:48.31 | Cide | it's about learning how to heal |
| 02:48.36 | Cide | they never knew it |
| 02:49.05 | Cide | there were no inefficient spells in wrath |
| 02:49.07 | airtonix | Dagmar, lol'd |
| 02:49.09 | Cide | only faster or slower efficient spells |
| 02:49.17 | Amarande | Cide: yeah, it's really a complete paradigm shift |
| 02:49.31 | Amarande | Wrath raid content was designed around being able to spam heals without going dry |
| 02:49.38 | airtonix | Cide, +1 would read again. |
| 02:49.45 | Amarande | Cata raid content is designed around a completely different paradigm |
| 02:51.14 | Amarande | I wonder if on heroic ICC runs you'd need to have your swing DPS/healer not only heal on VDW, but also be an additional healer on LK |
| 02:51.22 | Amarande | at 85, that is |
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| 02:53.06 | Amarande | or is there little enough damage from heroic LK10 vs. level 85 health pools that you wouldn't need to worry about it? |
| 02:53.42 | Amarande | (the main thing I'm considering is whether the need to top people off for Infest will be your (d)oom unless you have an extra healer) |
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| 03:38.15 | smcn | so... there's no meeting stone for bastion of twilight? |
| 03:39.54 | Amarande | I thought I saw one, but it may be on the ground |
| 03:40.23 | Amarande | wait, there may not be ... I think when we had our first go at BoT we had to use the stone from GB |
| 03:40.36 | Amarande | ... or was that when we were doing CoC, dang now I forget |
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| 04:46.42 | Hell-Razor | anybody have any idea why deus vox encounters wont work? i have it enabled and everything and bosses loaded but it wont start up |
| 04:47.26 | Arrowmaster | has it been updated for cata? |
| 04:47.37 | Hell-Razor | its the most up to date |
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| 04:54.46 | Slackwise | anyone know where the offset/edge values are saved? My quest objective panel and my tooltip are offset about 100px from the screen edge for some reason. :/ |
| 04:58.54 | airtonix | hi cide |
| 05:01.14 | Amarande | so I need a new quest log addon, apparently |
| 05:01.27 | airtonix | yeah |
| 05:01.33 | Amarande | MonkeyQuest has some sort of bug, exactly what I'm not able to figure out, but a bug nonetheless |
| 05:01.35 | airtonix | about time you got rid of questhelper |
| 05:01.47 | Amarande | no, I got rid of QH long ago, when it started thinking Stormwind was Bloodmyst |
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| 05:02.15 | Amarande | I've been using MQ, but I've noticed now that it causes somewhat lowered framerates on ALL characters |
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| 05:02.30 | airtonix | i stopped using questhelpers when i was able to open a browser |
| 05:02.34 | Amarande | and moreover, it apparently causes the framerate on my mage to absolutely tank as long as the quest tracker is visible (even simply closing the tracker caused a massive jump in framerate) |
| 05:02.42 | Amarande | yeah, I rely on Blizzard's map for that sort of thing |
| 05:02.42 | Arrowmaster | MQ has been updated since vanilla? |
| 05:03.16 | Amarande | however, I tend to be attached to having a quest log addon that gives me a tracker that can be moved and which displays quest levels |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | neither of which the Blizzard tracker does |
| 05:03.50 | Amarande | (also, the Blizzard tracker only expands downward, and I would like to be able to set it to anchor just above my EBB bars and expand UP, I really don't care if it overlaps my achievement tracker most of the time but I do care if it goes over my buff bars) |
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| 05:32.19 | Adys | Maldivia: poke |
| 05:32.34 | Adys | Slackwise: "saved"? |
| 05:32.56 | Slackwise | Adys: Similar to the layout positions. |
| 05:33.01 | Slackwise | I'm not sure what happened. |
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| 05:33.15 | Adys | what do you mean by "where are they saved"? |
| 05:33.18 | Slackwise | I installed a handful of addons as I was setting up a new UI for my tank, decided to on my Hunter. |
| 05:33.25 | Slackwise | Uninstalled them because they suck. |
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| 05:33.39 | Slackwise | Now the objectives are offset by like 100px+ from the right edge. |
| 05:33.44 | Slackwise | WorldFrame, whatever. |
| 05:33.55 | Adys | dude, what do you mean by "saved"? :P |
| 05:34.04 | Slackwise | I'm scouring the WTF folder for any sort of positional values. |
| 05:34.05 | airtonix | saves Adys |
| 05:34.18 | karl_w_w | lix airtonix |
| 05:34.33 | Adys | right, you want to know where specifically the objective frame on-screen position is stored |
| 05:34.38 | Slackwise | Adys: Saves as in similar to layout-local.txt 'saves" the position of windows...? |
| 05:35.00 | Adys | if it's not in SavedVariables.lua, it's serverside |
| 05:35.22 | Adys | if you just want to move the thing, lower your UI scale |
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| 05:38.24 | Slackwise | Adys: http://slackwi.se/files/images/screenshots/WoW/WorldFrameOffsetBrokenenen.png |
| 05:38.39 | Slackwise | Adys: Right side, Objectives and tooltip. :/ |
| 05:39.01 | karl_w_w | its your action bars |
| 05:39.20 | Slackwise | karl_w_w: They were like this for quite some time, so I don't think so. |
| 05:39.22 | karl_w_w | turn off blizzard right side action bars and reload, should fix it in my experience |
| 05:39.28 | Slackwise | Ohhh |
| 05:39.30 | Slackwise | OHHHH |
| 05:39.32 | Adys | Slackwise: aye |
| 05:39.35 | Adys | what karla said |
| 05:39.44 | Slackwise | Ahahaha |
| 05:39.46 | Slackwise | Yes. |
| 05:39.53 | Slackwise | I thought I was going crazy. |
| 05:39.59 | karl_w_w | you are |
| 05:40.03 | karl_w_w | you're playing wow |
| 05:40.14 | Slackwise | The other addon must have turned on my non-existent right action bars. |
| 05:40.20 | karl_w_w | we're all headed for an institution |
| 05:41.01 | karl_w_w | how do you survive with so little information on your screen? :P |
| 05:41.09 | Slackwise | Hmm? |
| 05:41.15 | Slackwise | Like what? |
| 05:41.26 | karl_w_w | i dont know really :P |
| 05:41.34 | karl_w_w | you just dont seem to have anything |
| 05:41.40 | Slackwise | That would be a goal, yes. |
| 05:41.49 | Slackwise | PowerAuras is also there, to show me key events. |
| 05:42.14 | Slackwise | I really dislike PowerAuras, though, but I can't find a better event handling app right now outside of coding my own. |
| 05:42.49 | Slackwise | Oh, and there's a focus bar right above my action bars, which is hidden when out of combat and at 100. |
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| 05:44.58 | Slackwise | karl_w_w: http://slackwi.se/files/images/screenshots/WoW/CurrentUI.png |
| 05:47.14 | Slackwise | karl_w_w: https://github.com/Slackwise/Slackwow/blob/master/Bindings.lua |
| 05:47.20 | Slackwise | <_< |
| 06:11.40 | Aurorus | does anyone know a good (casual) Aussie guild? |
| 06:15.26 | Amarande | heh. switched from MonkeyQuest to Sorha quest log and my framerate didn't just go back up to 30, it went back to 60 |
| 06:15.45 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the hell is wrong with MQ that causes it to vorpal chop the FPS |
| 06:16.24 | Amarande | the bad addon went snicker-snack ... |
| 06:17.39 | Arrowmaster | probably has something to do with it being an addon from wow 1.x |
| 06:19.59 | Amarande | actually, it was last updated this November |
| 06:20.00 | Amarande | so 4.0.1 |
| 06:20.26 | Amarande | and worked fine in 4.0.3 and 4.0.3a, actually better than in 4.0.1 (because of the Hellfire bug) |
| 06:20.30 | karl_w_w | realm Aurorus? |
| 06:20.40 | Amarande | the FPS chop was very sudden, they must have hotfixed something today that broke something |
| 06:20.46 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.14 | Amarande | !hotfixes |
| 06:21.16 | Aurorus | karl_w_w: Alliance on Aman'Thul, but I'd be happy to move servers, re-roll on Horde side. Have a level 70 priest |
| 06:21.21 | Amarande | dangit. bot should have that. |
| 06:21.56 | Aurorus | newbie to WoW, but have lot of MMO xp. Current one is LotRO |
| 06:22.58 | Amarande | "Twilight Phase-Twister's Twist Phase ability now has an initial cast delay of 7 seconds, up from 5, and a cast time of roughly 8 seconds, up from 6." |
| 06:23.00 | Amarande | OH THANK GOD. |
| 06:23.09 | Amarande | those things were bastards. |
| 06:23.40 | Amarande | hell the way they were before, I once got cheap shotted by a group of them without any error on my part, and without any possibility of anyone in the raid saving me |
| 06:24.06 | Amarande | if I'm thinking of the right guys, anyway |
| 06:24.27 | Amarande | basically I got Eurospiked, lost the last 68% of my health in less than half a second |
| 06:34.01 | Aurorus | karl_w_w: no dice? |
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| 06:37.21 | [Wobin] | Is there any way to tell if a player has an authenticator? |
| 06:39.21 | Gagorian | Check for the exclusive pet? It won't cover everyone though |
| 06:40.18 | airtonix | start of the nerfs |
| 06:40.31 | airtonix | not even two weeks and they're in |
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| 06:41.43 | Zero` | hello, anyone can help me with a code? |
| 06:42.02 | Adys | ~asktoask |
| 06:42.03 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 06:42.03 | airtonix | only if you show initiative |
| 06:42.08 | Gagorian | [Wobin]: The exlusive pet check wouldn't cover people using an authenthicator on their phones I believe.. And the pet isn't removed from the spellbook if you remove the authenthicator from the account. |
| 06:42.31 | Gagorian | But I don't know of another way to check |
| 06:42.31 | [Wobin] | Gagorian: nah, I need it from a guild perspective |
| 06:42.33 | Zero` | I want to add this when i login: /script ShapeshiftBarFrame:Hide() |
| 06:43.06 | [Wobin] | Gagorian: although the core hound is still achieved if you use the mobile authenticator |
| 06:43.29 | Gagorian | [Wobin]: I don't think Blizzard would allow such a thing, it'd be easier to pick out more vulnerable accounts |
| 06:43.35 | Zero` | there is no syntax for ShapeshiftBarFrame |
| 06:43.43 | [Wobin] | Gagorian: well technically you can |
| 06:43.54 | [Wobin] | by trying to promote them into authenticator locked ranks |
| 06:44.13 | [Wobin] | I'm just looking for a simpler way |
| 06:44.30 | [Wobin] | atm, if they don't have an authenticator, the promotion simply skips that rank |
| 06:45.01 | [Wobin] | I'm not sure what happens if there are no non authenticatorlocked ranks above, though |
| 06:46.40 | Gagorian | And I guess would only work for a select amount of people, do you need a general solution? |
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| 06:49.03 | Nobgul | Zero` |
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| 06:49.30 | Nobgul | Trying to get rid of the druid bar? |
| 06:49.48 | Zero` | hunter bar |
| 06:50.33 | Nobgul | The aspect bar |
| 06:50.35 | Nobgul | 1 sec |
| 06:50.53 | Nobgul | Ill give u the code for it. Just need to log into my hunter |
| 06:51.07 | Zero` | ok |
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| 06:54.06 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.28 | Nobgul | just throw that into any addon. |
| 06:54.34 | Nobgul | the .lua file and it will work |
| 06:54.44 | Zero` | ty, ill try |
| 06:54.51 | Nobgul | Alternativly you can download my addon NoGhost and just change the line |
| 06:55.05 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18346-NoGhost.html |
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| 07:00.02 | Zero` | it worked |
| 07:01.24 | Nobgul | =) |
| 07:04.26 | Zero` | and I had one more thing to ask, to send a "hello" message to the guild when I login I saw there were some variable to write there like language |
| 07:04.41 | Zero` | do I need to write "common" or it will take it by default? |
| 07:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | woo, j ust finished working :/ |
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| 07:09.41 | jnwhiteh | !api SendChatMessage |
| 07:09.42 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 07:10.03 | jnwhiteh | Zero`: its an optional argument, it can be nil and it'll have a default |
| 07:10.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Cruciformer (~jkj@kahluamod.com) |
| 07:10.52 | Cruciformer | evening gentlefolk |
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| 07:15.07 | Nobgul | sup Cruciformer |
| 07:17.21 | ccox | Fisker: Bleeding Hollow druid? |
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| 07:36.54 | DJJeff | reasons why its bad ass to be a mage I just made 200g in 20min making portals |
| 07:36.55 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/7ypRK.jpg |
| 07:37.03 | DJJeff | funniest port ever |
| 07:37.41 | DJJeff | went from 800g to 1000g in 25-20min |
| 07:37.51 | DJJeff | errr 15-20min |
| 07:39.29 | Adys | your UI is an insult to good taste |
| 07:39.33 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:39.42 | Nobgul | I was waiting for someone to say something |
| 07:40.16 | Shirik | Any holy priests around? |
| 07:40.21 | Shirik | Also, Adys: Lol at you |
| 07:40.23 | Shirik | noob |
| 07:40.57 | DJJeff | my ui is fine for me it works great |
| 07:41.13 | Adys | Shirik: at what! |
| 07:41.22 | Shirik | killing arthas |
| 07:41.31 | Adys | wut |
| 07:41.58 | jnwhiteh | double fubar makes me cry |
| 07:42.00 | Shirik | oh nm that was Ackis |
| 07:42.03 | jnwhiteh | i hate the way it looks so much |
| 07:42.04 | Shirik | Ackis: Lol at you |
| 07:42.37 | DJJeff | sorry thats not fubar... that is Bazooka and broker addons |
| 07:42.39 | DJJeff | lol |
| 07:42.50 | DJJeff | I gave up on foobar like 1 year ago |
| 07:43.13 | Adys | do you only use 12 spells? |
| 07:43.18 | Adys | with 6 binds? |
| 07:43.18 | Nobgul | foorbar is a music player addon. fubar is a wow addon |
| 07:43.25 | Adys | what are you, arcane? |
| 07:43.25 | Nobgul | foo* |
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| 07:43.36 | Nobgul | duh arcane 3 spells |
| 07:44.13 | Adys | blink not bound. |
| 07:44.16 | Cruciformer | someone needs to replace his xperl with SUF :) |
| 07:44.34 | Adys | yeah no theres too much wrong in this screenshot |
| 07:45.55 | DJJeff | ya that the new ARCKY addon takes up 1/2 my screen |
| 07:45.56 | DJJeff | lol |
| 07:46.31 | Adys | thats really not the only problem. |
| 07:46.47 | Adys | i cant stand people who have an UI like that |
| 07:46.53 | Nobgul | The only thing about your ui that gets me is your mounts are in a better spot then your top spells |
| 07:46.54 | Adys | you might as well just play wow in command line mode |
| 07:47.21 | Nobgul | shrug |
| 07:47.26 | Nobgul | My ui isnt much better |
| 07:49.09 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/296990/ |
| 07:49.10 | Adys | I love that |
| 07:49.16 | Adys | cute, and hilarious |
| 07:51.15 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19182-RaidIcon...Icons.html |
| 07:51.18 | Nobgul | WTF is that? |
| 07:51.40 | Adys | it add icons to the macro icon set |
| 07:51.55 | Adys | s/d /ds / |
| 07:51.57 | Nobgul | I really must be tired lol |
| 07:52.05 | Nobgul | Ah fml i got it |
| 07:52.11 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:52.23 | Nobgul | ty Adys |
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| 08:58.28 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:05.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:09.09 | Arrowmaster | this movie is fucking great http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245526/ |
| 09:10.07 | Fisker | no u |
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| 09:16.09 | Nobgul | Arrowmaster, Yea it is. Should watch it in bluray |
| 09:16.35 | Arrowmaster | im just watching a 700mb BDRip |
| 09:16.48 | Nobgul | Yea i saw a bd rip as well. |
| 09:16.49 | Fisker | millibits+ |
| 09:16.55 | Fisker | awesome compressionrates Arrowmaster |
| 09:17.05 | Nobgul | There is a good 1080p out. But its 9gig |
| 09:17.34 | nevcairiel | too small for a good 1080 |
| 09:18.07 | Nobgul | could opt for the james bond world is not enough at 50gig lol |
| 09:18.15 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 09:18.17 | Fisker | james bond |
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| 09:20.25 | Nobgul | nevcairiel, you missed what i said hehe |
| 09:20.27 | Nobgul | could opt for the james bond world is not enough at 50gig lol |
| 09:20.46 | nevcairiel | well thats an untouched bd, which is kinda too big :P |
| 09:21.01 | nevcairiel | but i have downloaded such things before! |
| 09:21.13 | Nobgul | lol |
| 09:21.59 | Nobgul | Saw a link the other day to the james bond collection on bluray. the size made me wanna cry lol |
| 09:22.18 | nevcairiel | I want to get the full collection on real blurays |
| 09:22.24 | nevcairiel | but the price also makes me cry |
| 09:28.51 | [Wobin] | Gagorian: I figured out a way |
| 09:29.26 | [Wobin] | if GetPromotionRank(index) returns a rank more than one rank away from the current rank, then they're unauthenticatorised |
| 09:29.53 | [Wobin] | and that's only if, of course, there are non locked ranks in amongst the locked ones |
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| 09:53.31 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 09:58.35 | nevcairiel | nevcairiel |
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| 10:03.02 | harl | wuff! |
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| 10:12.53 | Fisker | harl |
| 10:16.07 | mckenziemc | i'm using toothpicks to hold my desk together atm o.o |
| 10:17.01 | [Wobin] | Arrowmaster: I like it because it makes no bones about being a serious movie |
| 10:17.44 | Arrowmaster | it was more serious than most of the pure special effects crap hollywood keeps putting out |
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| 10:22.15 | karl_w_w | according to my stats I've earned 197,209g from auctions, that means the AH has taken 10,379g off me in cuts |
| 10:22.23 | karl_w_w | I could do with 10k gold :( |
| 10:22.36 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 10:31.11 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 10:31.19 | Fisker | your operation timed out |
| 10:33.03 | karl_w_w | is he going to die? |
| 10:35.12 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 10:35.17 | Nobgul | Lets hope not |
| 10:35.32 | nevcairiel | When i'm going to die, i'll take fisker with me! |
| 10:35.36 | Nobgul | Not sure what i would do without bartender |
| 10:36.21 | Fisker | oh no nevcairiel |
| 10:43.35 | karl_w_w | some people take this game way too seriously |
| 10:43.51 | karl_w_w | i swear to god they think it's real life |
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| 10:47.04 | Nobgul | Some people I know do. |
| 10:47.27 | Nobgul | I have a friend that quit his job and went on goverment assistance with his wife, just so they could play 24/7 |
| 10:50.52 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 10:53.59 | Vlakarados | Hey guys, can someone help me a bit with how to make tables without garbage? I've read howto's, but still have problems. Would be really grateful. |
| 10:54.50 | Vlakarados | My code has a cycle for creating and importing a table to dropdown menu, but it either creates garbage, either populates with old values |
| 10:55.16 | Nobgul | Yea but garbage collection happens often. So i mean how much garbage are u making? |
| 10:55.38 | Nobgul | I have yet to see a addon that creates so much garbage that it affects the game. |
| 10:55.45 | Vlakarados | every click to open a dropdown about 20kB |
| 10:55.59 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 10:56.02 | jnwhiteh | don't worry about it |
| 10:56.08 | jnwhiteh | that's what garbage collection is for |
| 10:56.08 | Nobgul | I wouldn't |
| 10:56.12 | jnwhiteh | if its not being done OnUpdate |
| 10:56.16 | jnwhiteh | its stupid to worry about it |
| 10:56.25 | Vlakarados | in another addon I've made garbage collection before every menu is shown |
| 10:56.29 | Nobgul | And if you are force garbage collection. but honestly forcing the collection would cause mroe overhead. |
| 10:56.42 | Nobgul | more* |
| 10:57.05 | Nobgul | collectgarbage(collect) |
| 10:57.11 | jnwhiteh | that's not correct |
| 10:57.13 | jnwhiteh | and I'm not going to fix it |
| 10:57.14 | Nobgul | not needed imho |
| 10:57.16 | jnwhiteh | because you should not be calling it |
| 10:57.17 | jnwhiteh | ever |
| 10:57.19 | jnwhiteh | but that will no twork |
| 10:58.06 | Vlakarados | well, and if I really want to make it not doing so much garbage? what is the most effective way do do it? |
| 10:58.10 | Nobgul | there is a arg missing i think |
| 10:58.33 | Nobgul | anyway. Was off the top of my head don't beat me up jnwhiteh! |
| 10:58.41 | jnwhiteh | Vlakarados: you don't. |
| 10:58.48 | Vlakarados | and is "table = nil" equivalent to "table = {}", does it create the same garbage? |
| 10:59.08 | jnwhiteh | no, that doesn't make sense |
| 10:59.12 | jnwhiteh | also there is no garbage |
| 10:59.15 | jnwhiteh | unless you're not using something |
| 10:59.20 | jnwhiteh | they're just 'tables' otherwise |
| 10:59.34 | jnwhiteh | you really should not even be concerning yourself with this, especially if you don't understand the difference between tbl = nil and tbl = {} |
| 10:59.36 | jnwhiteh | i'm not trying to be mean |
| 10:59.41 | jnwhiteh | but you're way out of your league here P |
| 10:59.42 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:59.56 | Vlakarados | that's why I came here |
| 10:59.57 | jnwhiteh | tbl = {} creates a new table |
| 11:00.09 | p3lim | how can I get the cooldown of an possessbar action? |
| 11:00.13 | jnwhiteh | tbl = nil does nothing other than set the name binding for the variable 'tbl' to nothing |
| 11:00.14 | Vlakarados | yes, and garbages the old one |
| 11:00.20 | jnwhiteh | no, that's not how it works |
| 11:00.23 | p3lim | GetActionCooldown doesnt seem to work with ids over 120 |
| 11:00.27 | jnwhiteh | nothing is ever 'garbaged' |
| 11:00.39 | jnwhiteh | when something is no longer referenced anywhere, it is eligible for garbage collection |
| 11:00.44 | jnwhiteh | nothing can or will ever change that, it's how Lua works |
| 11:00.54 | jnwhiteh | if you need to create a table, then you will use more memory. |
| 11:00.56 | jnwhiteh | minimal memory |
| 11:01.05 | jnwhiteh | almost immeasurable, and certainly imperceivable |
| 11:01.08 | Vlakarados | and if I want to reuse one table? |
| 11:01.13 | jnwhiteh | then re-use it |
| 11:01.18 | jnwhiteh | i don't undrstand the question =) |
| 11:01.33 | jnwhiteh | either you create new tables or you re-use them |
| 11:01.36 | Vlakarados | and that's when the second problem came, when I reuse it it doesn't populate with new values |
| 11:01.41 | jnwhiteh | re-using them can be very unpleasant |
| 11:01.42 | jnwhiteh | then don't do it |
| 11:01.44 | jnwhiteh | and stop worrying |
| 11:01.45 | jnwhiteh | please |
| 11:02.15 | jnwhiteh | write code that works, first and foremost |
| 11:02.38 | jnwhiteh | I am quite an accomplished addon author, and I would not worry about what you are worrying about, I promise |
| 11:02.59 | Vlakarados | every time I come here to solve a problem everyone says I shouldn't solve it :) |
| 11:03.21 | tekkub | it's not worth solving |
| 11:03.25 | p3lim | unless the table is a database containing several thousand keys/values of data, and you want to re-make it often, its no issue |
| 11:03.26 | jnwhiteh | then stop inventing problems for yourself |
| 11:03.33 | jnwhiteh | here's an exercise |
| 11:03.36 | jnwhiteh | run the following code |
| 11:04.01 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.05 | jnwhiteh | see if it affects you in any way |
| 11:04.07 | jnwhiteh | hint: it won't. |
| 11:04.17 | jnwhiteh | that creates anywhere between 15 and 120 tables per second |
| 11:04.26 | jnwhiteh | and discards them, making 'garbage' |
| 11:04.28 | clever | jnwhiteh: id expect the fps to drop slightly, but thats it |
| 11:04.33 | jnwhiteh | clever: it won't |
| 11:04.35 | jnwhiteh | in the least |
| 11:04.40 | clever | from cpu load, not memory |
| 11:04.43 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:04.48 | tekkub | what cpu load? |
| 11:04.53 | jnwhiteh | people who think 'cpu load' can be measured are silly |
| 11:04.54 | jnwhiteh | you can't. |
| 11:04.55 | tekkub | gc? |
| 11:04.56 | clever | tekkub: to run the function itself |
| 11:04.57 | jnwhiteh | the numbers teh game gives us |
| 11:05.00 | jnwhiteh | are miniscule |
| 11:05.05 | jnwhiteh | that's why there's a special API to get them |
| 11:05.10 | jnwhiteh | people blow them out of proportion all the time |
| 11:05.15 | jnwhiteh | they're not % of CPU load |
| 11:05.20 | jnwhiteh | they're not % of game CPU load |
| 11:05.36 | jnwhiteh | there a small measure of the percent of time spent by the scripting engine running that code |
| 11:05.42 | jnwhiteh | which is much smaller than all of the other numbers |
| 11:05.56 | Arrowmaster | function overhead is minor and doesnt have much effect unless you do something extremely bad and stupid like for example KLHTM did |
| 11:05.56 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: any experience with possessbars? |
| 11:06.01 | tekkub | hell, I don't even get my cores above 25% with wow up |
| 11:06.03 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: sadly, no |
| 11:06.10 | clever | i know that by design, the game will always try to use 100% of your cpu time |
| 11:06.11 | tekkub | and my machines well over a year old :P |
| 11:06.26 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: ok, need someone that knows a little about them, got issues with cooldowns on them |
| 11:06.27 | clever | ive never seen it use any less, not without something getting in the way and forcing it to go slower |
| 11:06.43 | tekkub | throw more processor at it |
| 11:06.53 | tekkub | I guarentee you it doesn't "try" to use 100% |
| 11:06.56 | clever | not sure if the fps limit would actualy reduce that |
| 11:07.10 | clever | tekkub: nearly every 3d game ive seen just renders frames non-stop, without any delays |
| 11:07.30 | tekkub | don't make my launch up wow and take a screenshot damnit |
| 11:07.40 | p3lim | clever: wow uses 22% cpu right now, while win system idle is at 72% |
| 11:07.47 | clever | p3lim: whats your fps? |
| 11:08.04 | p3lim | clever: 45, currently |
| 11:08.14 | clever | p3lim: does it ever go higher then 45? |
| 11:08.23 | p3lim | ive forced it to 45 |
| 11:08.29 | clever | ah, thought so |
| 11:08.30 | p3lim | it can go lower though |
| 11:08.44 | clever | its hitting a hard fps limit, and actualy delaying and letting the cpu idle |
| 11:09.00 | tekkub | mine doesn't hit the hard limit :P |
| 11:09.07 | clever | until you hit that limit, it will try to use 100% of the core |
| 11:09.15 | p3lim | considering setting it to 60 though |
| 11:09.24 | tekkub | I get 60ish on my current settings, but if I trun graphics way down it'll shoot up to 150-200 |
| 11:09.30 | clever | p3lim: is your monitor refresh rate even that high? |
| 11:09.45 | p3lim | clever: its at 100 (3D stuff) |
| 11:09.51 | clever | ah |
| 11:09.55 | tekkub | and my proc ain't at 100% in either case |
| 11:10.01 | p3lim | but I dont run wow in 3D, its horrible |
| 11:10.08 | clever | my laptop seems to be at a 50hz refresh rate |
| 11:10.24 | clever | so anything more then 50fps would be a waste of cpu power |
| 11:11.27 | p3lim | so, any of you know why GetActionCooldown() wont return anything with the id over 120? |
| 11:11.30 | karl_w_w | most people's wow performance is limited by cpu, which is why a lot of people will show 100% cpu usage |
| 11:11.32 | p3lim | specific, possession bar |
| 11:11.51 | clever | karl_w_w: so most people arent actualy getting 100% out of the video card? |
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| 11:12.08 | karl_w_w | depends on the situation |
| 11:12.32 | karl_w_w | in the middle of a raid encounter they probably are, but people dont stop there to look at cpu and fps generally |
| 11:12.51 | clever | what about old dalaran?, pre-cata |
| 11:12.51 | karl_w_w | if they're standing in sw lagging they probably will |
| 11:13.06 | clever | thats probly worse then a raid:P |
| 11:13.06 | karl_w_w | with all those people around they'll be hammering their cpu |
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| 11:13.44 | tekkub | https://img.skitch.com/20110108-guh8nidtkun37t48f44spritfb.jpg |
| 11:13.58 | tekkub | and you know what that big drop spike in the center was? Closing iTunes |
| 11:14.08 | tekkub | thanks iTunes, pulling more fucking proc than a damn game |
| 11:14.09 | clever | lol |
| 11:14.23 | karl_w_w | why would you have itunes open |
| 11:14.33 | tekkub | because I had musics playing |
| 11:14.40 | tekkub | musics are hard to make, clearly |
| 11:14.47 | karl_w_w | why would you use itunes to listen to music? :P |
| 11:15.00 | Nobgul | p3lim, GetSpellCooldown() ? |
| 11:15.06 | clever | that reminds me, i was once playing an mp3 with mplayer on a VERY old laptop |
| 11:15.10 | karl_w_w | if you let a rabid dog in your house, dont blame it when it bites your cpu... or something |
| 11:15.10 | clever | around 50mhz |
| 11:15.11 | tekkub | because, sadly, I have not found anything else on osx that will do random by album |
| 11:15.15 | clever | mp3 was too much for the cpu:P |
| 11:15.24 | tekkub | there's all of three things I've found that does random by album... |
| 11:15.25 | clever | i had to decode it to wav and play that |
| 11:15.34 | tekkub | itunes, foobar, and non-touch ipods |
| 11:15.37 | clever | and even then, too high of a sample rate maxed it out |
| 11:16.52 | Fisker | why would anyone have itunes installed karl_w_w ? |
| 11:16.53 | karl_w_w | doesnt banshee play random by album? |
| 11:16.58 | karl_w_w | good question |
| 11:17.55 | Arrowmaster | i still havent done anything with the player i got for christmas, i should do something about that |
| 11:18.18 | karl_w_w | post it to me? |
| 11:18.25 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 11:20.27 | p3lim | Nobgul: I'll try it |
| 11:21.00 | Nobgul | Not sure if it will retrun what you are looking for. |
| 11:21.43 | Nobgul | I think i saw a dirty hack somewhere. They were polling ispossessed and displayed a bar with a long timer when the ispossessed returnd as false they just killed the bar. |
| 11:22.08 | Nobgul | Night all |
| 11:29.35 | Computerpunk | Carbonite's on Curse. |
| 11:29.36 | Computerpunk | ._. |
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| 13:57.33 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy New Year! |
| 14:06.42 | urnati | evolution_laptop - you figure out the Titan plugin? |
| 14:14.43 | industrial | http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110107/NEWS01/110107007/1003/Canandaigua-teacher-sentenced |
| 14:14.47 | industrial | pfffff people are so lame |
| 14:15.12 | industrial | imagine you're a 16 year old boy and your MILF teacher texts you to have sex with you |
| 14:15.18 | industrial | WIN AT LIFE MUCH? |
| 14:15.41 | industrial | the only victim here is the teacher :| |
| 14:19.01 | wereHamster | Cairenn|afk: I changed my username on wowi, but some pages still show my old one. Is that maybe a caching issue? |
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| 14:25.27 | foxlit | wereHamster: wowi's database design :P |
| 14:25.37 | Fisker | i'm sneezing industrial |
| 14:26.16 | wereHamster | foxlit: are you guessing or are you familiar with their db schema? |
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| 14:32.25 | Fisker | i once violated their db schema wereHamster |
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| 14:51.34 | wereHamster | how did you manage that? |
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| 15:01.58 | Fisker | i don't know wereHamster |
| 15:02.02 | Fisker | i'm a bit scared of myself as well |
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| 15:18.36 | [Wobin] | cog|away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsFN5DgoLc |
| 15:23.13 | DJJeff | is Cairenn the addon author of carbonite? |
| 15:23.56 | DJJeff | the download link for Version: 4.033 is broken |
| 15:24.05 | DJJeff | downloaded 4.032? |
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| 15:32.03 | jnwhiteh | no, cairenn is not the addon author. |
| 15:32.11 | jnwhiteh | also, i'm not sure who you're asking |
| 15:33.10 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: Downloading 4.033 works just fine |
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| 15:59.33 | DJJeff | ah yes |
| 15:59.44 | DJJeff | the TOC file was out of date for some reason |
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| 16:10.09 | DJJeff | how do you turn off the mini map in carbonite? |
| 16:11.18 | cbreak | use /dtframestack and then :Hide() it :) |
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| 16:20.02 | DJJeff | didnt work |
| 16:20.24 | DJJeff | and annother thing im having trouble with is my broker addons are going into this tray like thing |
| 16:20.31 | DJJeff | how do I turn that crap off |
| 16:20.50 | DJJeff | when I mouse over it it takes over 1/2 my screen |
| 16:21.18 | DJJeff | thats why I use bazooka I dont need carbonite doing that too |
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| 16:35.32 | olafski | try the carbonite forum / comments thing |
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| 16:36.29 | Cruciformer | is carbonite still so "spammy"? It used so send a metric crapton of messages on its addon channel |
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| 16:40.42 | olafski | no clue.. not something I notice =) |
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| 16:45.28 | clever | Cruciformer: i think i saw it spamming a month ago when my addon was set to reveal it |
| 16:45.46 | clever | had fun asking guildies why they where spamming so much and explaining i was the only one who could see it:P |
| 16:46.02 | clever | bbl |
| 16:46.25 | Cruciformer | some raiding guilds ban it becuase it lags out people with crappy connections |
| 16:46.39 | Cruciformer | I think thats a bit overkill myself but *shrug* |
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| 16:55.29 | sylvanaar | anyone know anything about the rift, the moo |
| 16:55.35 | sylvanaar | s/oo/mo/ |
| 16:57.53 | A-KO | I've got a beta invite but have yet to play it |
| 16:57.55 | A-KO | been too busy |
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| 16:59.38 | Derabo | hello |
| 16:59.55 | Thunder_Child | Hi |
| 17:00.17 | Derabo | is there a way to make an addon join the queue for tol barad? |
| 17:00.23 | Cruciformer | hey TC ... long time no see. |
| 17:00.46 | Thunder_Child | Cruciformer: ummm...i'm always on here |
| 17:00.48 | Fisker | i played a game sylvanaar |
| 17:00.59 | Cruciformer | but I haven't been |
| 17:01.38 | foxlit | Derabo: it's likely a hardware-protected function |
| 17:01.55 | Derabo | so its not possible? |
| 17:02.07 | foxlit | Which means that you'd still have to press a button, which in turn means that you might as well be pressing the "Join queue" button in the default honor frame. |
| 17:02.14 | ZorbaTHut | sylvanaar, I've been playing it |
| 17:02.26 | sylvanaar | how is it |
| 17:02.41 | Derabo | ok good to know :) is there a way to auto-open the queue window? Im pretty new to Lua and trying to make my first little addon :) |
| 17:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | I enjoy it. It's got a lot of the same backbone as WoW, but a lot of new stuff layered on top of that |
| 17:03.30 | ZorbaTHut | oh fuck it I've been quiet about it but :P I'm actually on the dev team |
| 17:03.50 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's a really good game (I wouldn't be working on it if it wasn't) and people seem to be enjoying it |
| 17:03.59 | sylvanaar | wtb beta invite |
| 17:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | made a beta account yet? |
| 17:04.16 | sylvanaar | just made one |
| 17:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | msg me your email address, I'll see if I can get you in for next beta |
| 17:06.01 | sylvanaar | kk |
| 17:22.29 | Cide | nevcairiel: ping |
| 17:23.00 | nevcairiel | Its way more productive if you just ask your question in the ping message, then i could pong you the answer back when i read it! |
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| 17:23.08 | Cide | nowai |
| 17:23.20 | Cide | Shadowed tells me you take care of suf? |
| 17:23.32 | nevcairiel | If he claims so |
| 17:23.33 | wereHamster | foxlit: 'hardware-protected function'? |
| 17:23.47 | Cide | I want to only show buffs I cast on allies |
| 17:23.51 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: "needs keypress" |
| 17:23.54 | Cide | or rather on players in my party |
| 17:24.00 | wereHamster | I didn't know bliz sells keyboards in addition to the dongles |
| 17:24.01 | Cide | but every buff for enemies/allies outside of my party |
| 17:24.05 | Cide | doable? |
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| 17:24.26 | nevcairiel | you can only configure that per frame, not what unit the frame displays |
| 17:24.31 | Cide | thought so |
| 17:24.42 | Cide | seeing every buff as a healer is useless for friendlies |
| 17:24.44 | CombatDork | if i'm modding an addon that uses .TG |
| 17:24.47 | Cide | but for bosses I want to see if they have a buff |
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| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | I'm not really happy with the overall buff thing |
| 17:25.25 | foxlit | Cide: doable anyway |
| 17:25.30 | CombatDork | If I'm modding an add-on that uses .TGA textures and I wanna use a .BLP texture would there be any thing I'd have to change? |
| 17:25.33 | Cide | foxlit: how? |
| 17:25.40 | nevcairiel | doable of course, not with SUF currently anyhow =P |
| 17:25.42 | foxlit | Cide: you can make either one separately, right? |
| 17:25.50 | foxlit | So you can make a frame that would display all buffs |
| 17:25.50 | Adys | CombatDork: no, just the path to the texture |
| 17:25.55 | foxlit | and a frame that would display only your buffs |
| 17:26.03 | Cide | well it's doable if I were to hand-code my own solution |
| 17:26.08 | Cide | it's not doable in suf as we speak |
| 17:26.15 | Cide | and I'm talking in the same frame |
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| 17:26.33 | nevcairiel | If i rewrite the aura system one day, that might be possible, as its something i would also use |
| 17:26.34 | foxlit | Cide, if you're using a framework, I'm going to be very disappointed :P |
| 17:26.44 | Cide | I'm not coding an addon |
| 17:26.46 | Cide | I'm using an addon |
| 17:26.48 | CombatDork | Adys: would size of graphic matter? |
| 17:26.55 | Cide | as a user it's not doable :P |
| 17:26.57 | Adys | CombatDork: Same rules as tga applies |
| 17:27.09 | CombatDork | Adys: ty |
| 17:27.47 | Cide | nevcairiel: think it's a difficult change for me to hard-code? |
| 17:28.38 | Cide | given your permission naturally! |
| 17:29.00 | nevcairiel | what do i care what people do to their local copy |
| 17:29.22 | Adys | "Romanian witches to cast anti-government spell" |
| 17:29.25 | nevcairiel | shouldn't be too hard, i guess. |
| 17:29.28 | Cide | doesn't matter if you care, it's your decision :P |
| 17:29.35 | Cide | but I'll take that as a yes |
| 17:29.41 | nevcairiel | have a look at the scan function in modules/auras.lua |
| 17:29.52 | nevcairiel | start line 468 |
| 17:30.00 | nevcairiel | should be easy to make that a condition in there |
| 17:30.50 | nevcairiel | or the :Update function on the bottom, if the default filter argument to UnitAura is enough to filter for your needs |
| 17:31.00 | nevcairiel | which it should, i think |
| 17:31.11 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: speaking of SUF I just checked out the git version to make it possible to preserve the druid eclipse bar and the localization stuff is all empty. I dont know the wowace "system" where are those localization strings stored? |
| 17:31.26 | nevcairiel | dont worry about those |
| 17:31.30 | nevcairiel | just put L[..] around them |
| 17:31.39 | nevcairiel | and i'll put them in the system when the patch is integrated |
| 17:31.45 | Cruciformer | ok |
| 17:32.10 | nevcairiel | there is a script in there, localcheck.lua, which uploads the strings to the locale tool on the website |
| 17:32.14 | nevcairiel | fwiw ^ |
| 17:32.44 | nevcairiel | i just run it after adding new strings, and its all done |
| 17:32.54 | Cruciformer | do you do anything explicit to hide the eclipse frame I should look for, or any quick pointers you can give me? No problem if not I'll figure it out. |
| 17:33.18 | nevcairiel | its not hidden explicitly, its just integrated into the player frame, and when thats hidden, the eclipse frame hides |
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| 17:34.53 | Cruciformer | Ok. I guess I should go take a loot at teh blizz code see what their frames are called. is wowprogramming.com still a good place to get teh blizzard code? |
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| 17:35.07 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 17:35.07 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 17:35.28 | Cruciformer | thanks :) |
| 17:35.29 | nevcairiel | dunno how up to date wowprogramming is |
| 17:35.36 | nevcairiel | the first link is up to date anyhow |
| 17:37.11 | Cide | anyone know offhand if UnitInRaid returns true for players in your party when you are not in a raid? |
| 17:37.20 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 17:37.24 | wereHamster | I have a lvl22 prist and I'm always oom. I can barely kill two mobs until I run out of mana. No other class has such problems when leveling |
| 17:38.39 | Cide | thanks |
| 17:38.56 | Cruciformer | Cide: I'm guessing theres a distinction between UnitInparty() and UnitInRaid() for a reason |
| 17:39.02 | Cide | wereHamster: get Glyph of Spirit Tap whenever you can |
| 17:39.26 | Cide | level 25? |
| 17:39.33 | Cruciformer | UnitInParty() sorry |
| 17:39.49 | Cide | not really |
| 17:39.51 | Gagorian | !api UnitSpellHaste |
| 17:39.52 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitSpellHaste'. |
| 17:39.52 | foxlit | wereHamster: how? |
| 17:40.01 | Cide | well yes |
| 17:40.22 | wereHamster | foxlit: how what? |
| 17:40.36 | foxlit | how do you run out of mana after two mobs? |
| 17:41.13 | Gagorian | Is there any FrameXML diff for the PTR vs live online? |
| 17:41.15 | wereHamster | I have 1k mana. I cast a couple of spells and I'm oom. And |
| 17:41.48 | foxlit | [I'm sure it's possible, I'm just wondering whether you might be able to avoid that by not using say SWP] |
| 17:42.22 | wereHamster | I'm not using swp. I use mindblast+smite, as that is all I have |
| 17:42.37 | foxlit | wereHamster: no mind flay? :( |
| 17:42.38 | wereHamster | (I was told not to use swp because it's expensive) |
| 17:42.43 | wereHamster | oh, that too |
| 17:43.38 | foxlit | more mind flay, less smite, I guess |
| 17:43.49 | Cide | wait |
| 17:43.53 | Cide | oh nvm |
| 17:44.19 | foxlit | nevcairiel's github is slacking, and the client extraction is borked. |
| 17:44.24 | wereHamster | alrighty. I just saw that I have gray(!) items. Did maybe some green items turn gray between 3.x and 4.x? |
| 17:44.35 | nevcairiel | hm yea |
| 17:44.37 | Cide | baddie |
| 17:44.37 | nevcairiel | use tekkubs |
| 17:44.48 | nevcairiel | i have to figure out how to extract it |
| 17:45.02 | Cide | just do a bunch of dungeons and you'll be good |
| 17:45.14 | foxlit | ^ |
| 17:45.24 | foxlit | the dungeon finder helpful rewards... are usually helpful. |
| 17:47.19 | foxlit | I really need an incremental build for this :( |
| 17:47.24 | wereHamster | for that I'd probably need to learn how to heal.. as a priest |
| 17:47.32 | wereHamster | or how to play a priest at all |
| 17:47.48 | foxlit | low-level dps queues are surprisingly short. |
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| 17:47.58 | wereHamster | dps queues? |
| 17:48.08 | Cide | with greys then yeah |
| 17:48.12 | wereHamster | you mean when I sign up as a damage dealer? |
| 17:48.14 | Cide | you probably shouldn't heal |
| 17:48.36 | foxlit | Yes. I recall something like 4 minutes on a level 20ish DPS |
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| 17:52.12 | wereHamster | oh, and should I cast this powerword protection shild stuff on me or sould I take damage and then heal myself / renew after each fight? |
| 17:53.06 | ZorbaTHut | powerword protection is more mana-efficient than healing is. personally, I'd put it up before you start a fight |
| 17:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | and you' |
| 17:53.22 | ZorbaTHut | you'll probably be done with the fight before you can refresh it |
| 17:53.31 | wereHamster | ha, you think.. |
| 17:55.54 | wereHamster | against a two level lower mob: 1x mind blast + 5x mind flay and the shild was still up after the fight |
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| 17:59.48 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/13449 |
| 18:02.43 | Gagorian | !api GetUnitSpeed |
| 18:02.43 | lua_bot | GetUnitSpeed: Returns a unit's current speed (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetUnitSpeed) |
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| 18:07.17 | Yoshimo | Gagorian: , what would you need that value for? ;) |
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| 18:11.53 | Gagorian | Yoshimo: Secret stuff! |
| 18:12.39 | Fisker | no Gagorian |
| 18:13.22 | airtonix | logs into Fiskers cee-drive |
| 18:13.43 | airtonix | Pass-A-Worde |
| 18:15.53 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1417738735?page=2#22 <-oh lord, lol'd |
| 18:16.03 | Fisker | i wish i had come up with that |
| 18:18.01 | Gagorian | Fisker what are you paying for your 2600K? |
| 18:18.02 | mckenziemc | 640x480 4bit color ftw |
| 18:18.29 | Fisker | a lot of money Gagorian |
| 18:18.45 | Fisker | no prices yet but it's going to be around ~350 euro |
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| 18:19.36 | Gagorian | So Danish prices are just as ripoff as the prices in Finland |
| 18:19.50 | Fisker | of course |
| 18:20.20 | Gagorian | I ordered the 2500K locally for 211 euro which was a pretty nice deal, since they've already raised the price since that |
| 18:20.36 | Dagmar | More proof that players are as dumb as shit |
| 18:20.45 | airtonix | lol buying gold |
| 18:22.15 | Cairenn|afk | ... |
| 18:22.48 | Cairenn|afk | you guys know better than to talk about stuff like that in here |
| 18:23.00 | Cairenn|afk | cut it out |
| 18:23.34 | Gagorian | About what? |
| 18:24.53 | mckenziemc | airtonix's comment, though i have no idea where it came from :o |
| 18:27.34 | Gagorian | Indeed, Fisker and I were talking about the new intel's processors |
| 18:27.43 | Gagorian | So I don't know what the gold thing was about |
| 18:27.57 | mckenziemc | might be something in the blizzard link |
| 18:30.57 | Warloco | does curse actually have an irc channel that they use? |
| 18:31.32 | mckenziemc | #wowace |
| 18:31.37 | Cairenn|afk | this channel is site-agnostic |
| 18:31.39 | mckenziemc | and #curseforge to a lesser degree |
| 18:31.54 | Warloco | hence why I even bothered to ask her Cairenn :p |
| 18:32.02 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 18:32.13 | Warloco | I would've felt err... rude, asking here otherwise |
| 18:32.19 | mckenziemc | doh, i was going to reply to that blizzard thread, but it's on EU : / |
| 18:32.31 | airtonix | mckenziemc, there there dear. |
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| 18:32.57 | mckenziemc | Fisker: i thought gambling was actually allowed in game, it was the public advertisement that was bannable |
| 18:32.59 | airtonix | i'm sure they don't know what they're missing out on |
| 18:34.43 | Dagmar | They're being nice by simply saying what they are |
| 18:34.56 | Dagmar | They could just say "YOU ARE LYING ASSHOLES. STOP IT." |
| 18:35.13 | Dagmar | Player-run "casinos" are invaraibly fraudulent |
| 18:35.13 | mckenziemc | wtf are you talking about |
| 18:35.22 | Dagmar | er invariably |
| 18:35.25 | Fisker | it's allowed in US mckenziemc |
| 18:35.41 | Fisker | :o Gagorian |
| 18:35.45 | airtonix | Fisker |
| 18:35.48 | mckenziemc | ah, allowed in US but banned in EU? |
| 18:35.59 | Fisker | it was not allowed in US for a long time either |
| 18:36.00 | Dagmar | US players get messaged obscenities three per minute just for trying |
| 18:36.07 | Fisker | it wasn't until like a few months ago they could do it |
| 18:36.20 | mckenziemc | news to me |
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| 18:36.41 | Dagmar | As far as I know it's simply not allowed anywhere. |
| 18:37.32 | Fisker | could be that they put it back |
| 18:37.41 | Fisker | but i know they did lift the ban on it at some point during wotlk |
| 18:37.48 | clever | everybody trade the made 100 gold and then /roll a number, highest wins |
| 18:37.56 | clever | *mage casts teleport* |
| 18:38.19 | Dagmar | ...because someone's always running a con. |
| 18:38.19 | Dagmar | Could be you're just making things up |
| 18:38.20 | Dagmar | ...or listening to crap some loon wrote on the forum. |
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| 18:38.29 | airtonix | <( ) <( )> >( )> |
| 18:38.56 | Dagmar | clever: Usually it's "And the winner is the hunter, Shilopolis! Oh... Why yes he is a member of my guild but I assure you I have never seen him before in my life." |
| 18:39.15 | clever | if you use /roll, then there is no easy way to cheat and give it to a friend |
| 18:39.27 | Dagmar | Sure there is. |
| 18:39.35 | clever | you can use chat messages that look similar |
| 18:39.43 | clever | /me rolls 100? |
| 18:39.51 | Dagmar | You just tell the suckers that someone could roll higher and you only do payouts once an hour |
| 18:39.53 | clever | havent really messed with false chat msgs much ingame |
| 18:40.05 | clever | ah, only 100 wins then |
| 18:40.15 | clever | if nobody rolls 100, you keep it all |
| 18:40.18 | Dagmar | "You must be present at cash-in time to win" |
| 18:40.23 | clever | or be nasty and say 101 wins |
| 18:40.29 | clever | dont tell them /roll only goes to 100 :P |
| 18:40.34 | Dagmar | Or make up excuses, or go linkdead. |
| 18:40.37 | Dagmar | It's _always_ a con. |
| 18:41.05 | clever | one of my old guilds was sold to some random guy |
| 18:41.10 | clever | then he started a guild lotery |
| 18:41.24 | clever | after suckering guys out of some gold, he booted them all:P |
| 18:41.31 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 18:42.01 | clever | i bet he could have gotten more gold if he said we where gonna raid and needed the GB stocked for repairs :P |
| 18:42.02 | Fisker | Gagorian |
| 18:42.57 | Dagmar | it doesn't even matter if one deluded person actually wants to try to "run" a "legit" casino because there'll be five guys doing the same thing, talking a fancier game, and ripping people off |
| 18:43.08 | clever | yeah |
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| 18:43.41 | clever | the fortune cards are about the only way to do it without cons |
| 18:43.52 | foxlit | ^ And that's why the fortune cards are in the game :P |
| 18:43.55 | clever | the dealer cant control what the card becomes |
| 18:44.03 | Gagorian | Fisker?! |
| 18:44.08 | Fisker | Gagorian! |
| 18:44.10 | Fisker | hello |
| 18:44.22 | foxlit | Those forum threads have a perverse idea that gambling is banned because blizzard is against gambling. |
| 18:44.26 | Gagorian | Why are you Fiskering me! |
| 18:44.28 | kd3 | whee |
| 18:44.33 | Fisker | i don't even know |
| 18:44.41 | kd3 | looks like dad thinks the big one's coming |
| 18:45.03 | kd3 | he just bought himself a $1000 backup generator for 'snomageddon the revenge' coming tomorow |
| 18:45.04 | Fisker | "ONE TIME I KILLED A DEER IN-GAME WTF BLIZZ CONDONING ANIMAL ABUSE???????????///" is 22 GET(P but still) |
| 18:45.06 | airtonix | batten the hatches |
| 18:45.17 | airtonix | man the turrets |
| 18:45.35 | Gagorian | Fisker: Is it your Obsessive Upgrade Disorder doing it? Acute lack of Sandy Bridge? |
| 18:45.44 | airtonix | hoho |
| 18:46.13 | Fisker | yeah Gagorian |
| 18:46.26 | foxlit | dammit, fossil digsites |
| 18:46.26 | mckenziemc | his car slid off the bridge because it wasn't sanded, and froze |
| 18:46.29 | foxlit | quit spawning already |
| 18:46.42 | foxlit | 313 fragments and nothing worthwhile to do with them :/ |
| 18:47.43 | clever | foxlit: ive gotten a couple rares, but they are pretty much all fancy stuff you can just show off with and do nothing more |
| 18:47.50 | clever | things like the innkeepers daughter! :P |
| 18:47.58 | foxlit | clever: in this case, there are only two rares. |
| 18:48.03 | foxlit | And I have them both. |
| 18:48.13 | foxlit | Making the fragments vendor trash. |
| 18:48.27 | clever | i have one that turns me into a wisp, a night elf mirror that shows a clone |
| 18:48.41 | clever | one that summons a dwarf dance, a clockwork gnome |
| 18:49.39 | clever | 'Game Time Successfully Added!' |
| 18:49.48 | clever | now i can finaly login again! :) |
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| 18:58.40 | Fisker | lol Gagorian |
| 18:58.43 | Fisker | only one in stock here |
| 18:58.51 | Fisker | sniped it before the price hike though |
| 18:59.00 | Fisker | right now it's cheaper than the non-k :P |
| 19:00.55 | Dagmar | Oooh... Looks like someone's taking up the good fight in Arizona |
| 19:01.19 | Dagmar | They could maybe have stood to spend more time at the range tho |
| 19:03.37 | Dagmar | 12 people shot at a grocery store, but only one of them was a career politician |
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| 19:10.27 | Gagorian | Fisker: ! |
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| 19:32.34 | ccox | news reports say that the congresswoman is dead |
| 19:33.17 | Gnarfoz | which one? |
| 19:33.26 | Gnarfoz | (is this good or bad news?) |
| 19:33.40 | ccox | "She took office in January 2007, emphasizing issues such as immigration reform, embryonic stem-cell research, alternative energy sources and a higher minimum wage." |
| 19:33.57 | ccox | I'd say a bad thing - sounds like she was a decent politician (a rarity) |
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| 19:34.34 | Dagmar | Then it's likely she was simply turned on by the other representatives |
| 19:34.52 | Gnarfoz | which country are we even talking about |
| 19:35.08 | Gnarfoz | also, "emphasizing issues" doesn't say which position she took on them, heh |
| 19:35.13 | ccox | "The shooting occurred at a Safeway supermarket in northwest Tucson as Ms. Giffords hosted an event, called âCongress on Your Corner, to allow members of the 8th Congressional District to meet her individually." |
| 19:36.01 | Dagmar | Still, with the frequency with which they merrily screw over their constituents, how can they not expect this sort of thing to happen practically every day |
| 19:36.11 | ccox | Dagmar - wrong party |
| 19:36.24 | Dagmar | ccox: Like _either party_ is looking to do their jobs |
| 19:36.35 | Dagmar | Next year, I'm voting Lemon Party |
| 19:36.39 | ccox | Dagmar - look into her background |
| 19:37.13 | Dagmar | Why |
| 19:38.14 | ccox | because maybe you'll stop being so insulting |
| 19:38.17 | mckenziemc | ~why |
| 19:38.17 | purl | Because! |
| 19:38.19 | Dagmar | I've never seen a politician I'd trust any farther than I can fire from a cannon, and I doubt that one's any different |
| 19:38.39 | Jamash | thank you for you opinion, mr scrooge |
| 19:38.41 | ccox | then you need to meet more politicians, some really are trying to do the right thing |
| 19:38.47 | Gnarfoz | insulting dead people? how does that work |
| 19:38.53 | Dagmar | They can be into "good things" and still be double-dealing, pandering, bribe-taking liars |
| 19:38.56 | ccox | and it sounds like we just lost one of them |
| 19:39.32 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: try going outside and getting some fresh air |
| 19:39.54 | Dagmar | Okay so maybe *they* need to start shooting the bad politicians then |
| 19:40.18 | Dagmar | Charlie Rangel could stand to get some jail air. |
| 19:40.24 | Jamash | Dagmar: Go play in traffic. |
| 19:40.37 | ccox | "The Pima County sheriff's office confirmed to NPR that six others at the event were killed with the Congresswoman." |
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| 19:41.26 | Dagmar | We split from England over less than we're putting up with at the present time. |
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| 19:44.00 | ccox | news reports are conflicting on lots of details right now. |
| 19:45.30 | ccox | "NPR and CNN reported that she had been killed, but Darci Slater, a hospital spokeswoman, said that Ms. Giffords was in surgery." |
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| 19:53.57 | wereHamster | where do I get these new account bound items which scale with the level? Are those random world drops? |
| 20:00.23 | airtonix | Dagmar, apart from using sed or awk or manually editing /etc/bind/zones/${zone}.db , what other options do i have for inserting A or CNAME records into a DNS server ? |
| 20:00.57 | airtonix | Dagmar, i'm aware of DHCP being able to update the db, but can i harness that from a script ? |
| 20:01.03 | Dagmar | Dynamic DNS updates, typically from a DHCP server. |
| 20:01.51 | Dagmar | It's likely that can be scripted to just hand a nameserver new A records |
| 20:02.26 | Dagmar | ...but that's exactly the sort of thing tat makes most admins just go to a db-centric solution |
| 20:02.58 | airtonix | yeah i have a dns server on the same machine as my apache server at home |
| 20:03.47 | airtonix | and i'm creating a python script that generates apache vhost def files, creates a django project and starts a main django app, but i would like to automate the insertion of the vhost subdomain A record |
| 20:06.29 | airtonix | just not sure what to search for in order to get info about scripting the dns thing |
| 20:07.29 | wereHamster | airtonix: why not use wildcards? |
| 20:07.41 | airtonix | what ? |
| 20:07.52 | Dagmar | I'm kinda with wereHamster on that one |
| 20:07.55 | wereHamster | do all these subdomains point to the same IP? |
| 20:08.13 | airtonix | yes but i don't want the script to rely on that |
| 20:08.22 | wereHamster | which script? |
| 20:08.30 | airtonix | see above |
| 20:08.36 | wereHamster | If you create a wildcard record, you don't have to restart dns anymore |
| 20:08.38 | wereHamster | no scripting |
| 20:09.02 | Dagmar | You don't have to restart DNS anyway |
| 20:09.02 | airtonix | yes but then it means it only works with the dns server on that machine which is set to use wildcards |
| 20:09.12 | Dagmar | Individual loans can be reloaded on-demand |
| 20:09.16 | Dagmar | s/loans/zones/ |
| 20:09.54 | airtonix | if i was just going to use wildcards i'd not bother with bind and just use default install avahi and my avahi CNAME anouncer daemon |
| 20:09.54 | wereHamster | ah. So you're looking for scripts managing dns records, there's nothing specific to django or vhosts.. |
| 20:10.20 | airtonix | i already have the vhost and django part handled |
| 20:10.55 | airtonix | i just want to do something like : bind-insert-record $type $name $ip |
| 20:11.24 | airtonix | i might just make another python script to do that |
| 20:11.29 | Fisker | haste butsu fix curse |
| 20:12.08 | wereHamster | airtonix: echo <the dns record line> >> <zonefile> && <tell bind to reload zone> |
| 20:12.35 | wereHamster | hardly requires scripting |
| 20:12.45 | airtonix | echo $RECORD | sudo tee -a $BIND_ZONE_FILE |
| 20:12.46 | Dagmar | Nor will it work properly. |
| 20:13.00 | Dagmar | If you don't update the serial, it breaks things |
| 20:13.05 | airtonix | i know |
| 20:13.27 | wereHamster | add a `sed` somewhere in between |
| 20:14.03 | airtonix | Dagmar, bind auto reloads when the serial changes ? |
| 20:14.08 | haste | Fisker: requires too much effort! |
| 20:14.54 | Arrowmaster | there should be tools to programatically edit the bind records |
| 20:15.04 | airtonix | i'd be interested in this |
| 20:15.22 | Dagmar | They're called "trivial shell scripts" |
| 20:15.55 | Arrowmaster | i mean there are enough hosting companies out there that have web based dns configuration |
| 20:16.14 | Dagmar | They keep their records first and foremost in an SQL database |
| 20:16.30 | Dagmar | When their zones are updated the old zones are discarded and new ones are generated, from the database |
| 20:17.36 | airtonix | it's a pity the zone file can't be changed to support runparts |
| 20:18.04 | airtonix | then i'd just include extra records in /etc/bind/zones/$(ZONE).d/* |
| 20:18.57 | Arrowmaster | are all of these records just pointing to the same ip? |
| 20:19.05 | airtonix | they might... or they might not |
| 20:19.17 | Arrowmaster | if they are just use a wildcard domain |
| 20:19.20 | airtonix | i'd rather have it not care |
| 20:19.39 | Dagmar | Well, it's not like generating zone files is even remotely hard |
| 20:20.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah i would go with using something that generates a new zone file every time you make a change, sounds like the safer option |
| 20:21.19 | airtonix | for a serial i could just use unixepoch ? |
| 20:21.39 | airtonix | as in current timedatestamp in ms |
| 20:21.54 | Arrowmaster | i forget what most people use |
| 20:22.13 | Arrowmaster | but i think its size limited |
| 20:23.17 | Dagmar | no. |
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| 20:23.35 | Dagmar | It's not explicitly stated, but bind generally treats the serial as a long int IIRC |
| 20:23.48 | wereHamster | soem people use YYYYMMDDHHSS |
| 20:23.50 | Dagmar | The sharp and jagged bit of is it that you can get away with ten digits |
| 20:24.32 | Dagmar | If you try to use YYYYMMDDHHSS and you are wrong, you will basically be getting random serial numbers because the value will roll over. |
| 20:24.40 | airtonix | but it always has to be greater than the last number ? |
| 20:24.45 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 20:25.17 | Dagmar | The last time I spaced out and tried to use yyyymmddhh## was in 2002 and it took me a couple of days to remember about the ten digits thing. |
| 20:25.25 | airtonix | i guess i could just start at 000000001 and increment |
| 20:25.32 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 20:25.42 | industrial | .... |
| 20:25.50 | industrial | so I convinced my boss to use git and github ... |
| 20:25.55 | Dagmar | So long as you're not left holding the bag in 2999 you can probably just use two-digit years tho |
| 20:25.56 | industrial | profit :D |
| 20:26.14 | airtonix | include a email warning when it reaches 9999999990 |
| 20:26.19 | wereHamster | industrial: we have yet to do the transition to git :-/ |
| 20:26.30 | Dagmar | If you need to make more than 99 changes to a zone in one day, it's probably time to stop using static zone files anyway |
| 20:26.31 | wereHamster | .. even though all of us are using git-svn |
| 20:26.40 | industrial | lol :p |
| 20:27.02 | industrial | well we have 1-2 maybe a month projects so it's easier to do I guess |
| 20:27.03 | Dagmar | Oof s/2999/2099/ |
| 20:27.10 | industrial | 1-2 weeks* |
| 20:27.10 | airtonix | Dagmar, you say static zone files, this means there are other types ? |
| 20:27.38 | airtonix | give me a phrase to search for |
| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | airtonix: Yes, there's people who use things other than bind which are actually just special-pupose databases that "speak DNS" |
| 20:27.52 | Dagmar | They are almost all commercial products. |
| 20:27.56 | airtonix | ok |
| 20:28.09 | airtonix | so bind only uses static ? |
| 20:28.20 | Dagmar | Seriously, you're not likely to need more than 99 zone updates per day |
| 20:28.37 | Dagmar | You'll be beating the hell out of your secondary servers if you are. |
| 20:28.41 | airtonix | probably not, but it'd be nice to cover that base now and not later in during a failover |
| 20:28.50 | Arrowmaster | i think im going to have to setup a dns server soon |
| 20:29.09 | Arrowmaster | probably going to attempt to make a recursive DNSSEC resolver for a class project |
| 20:29.14 | Dagmar | If you have a failover event that results in 99 zone updates real fast, you're going to be looking at an even more spectacular problem |
| 20:30.13 | Dagmar | Keep in mind you can only realistically update the zone files as often as the records expire |
| 20:30.33 | Dagmar | Setting expiry on records to 0 is the act of a madman |
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| 20:31.44 | Arrowmaster | most set them long then change them to a short time before any planned changes |
| 20:31.46 | airtonix | <manic laughter/> |
| 20:32.18 | Arrowmaster | well not most but depends on how long they set them |
| 20:33.30 | Ackis | anyone know of any issues with guild calendar invites? |
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| 20:34.53 | Ackis | ~api calendar |
| 20:34.53 | purl | !api calendar |
| 20:34.54 | lua_bot | Found 109 possible matches for 'calendar'. Please be more specific |
| 20:35.13 | Ackis | ~api guildcalendar |
| 20:35.14 | purl | !api guildcalendar |
| 20:35.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'guildcalendar'. |
| 20:35.18 | Ackis | herp |
| 20:35.31 | mckenziemc | !api fisker |
| 20:35.32 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'fisker'. |
| 20:35.33 | mckenziemc | lies |
| 20:35.56 | Ackis | !api getspellinfo |
| 20:35.56 | lua_bot | GetSpellInfo: Returns information about a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo) |
| 20:36.01 | Ackis | forgot teh url |
| 20:36.02 | Thunder_Child | you have to use the correct term |
| 20:36.06 | Thunder_Child | !api fail |
| 20:36.07 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'fail'. Please be more specific |
| 20:36.10 | Thunder_Child | see |
| 20:38.03 | mckenziemc | lua> fisker == fail |
| 20:38.04 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: true |
| 20:38.08 | mckenziemc | ah, i see |
| 20:38.23 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: just trying to find out which addon I have that's messing with calendar stuff showing up |
| 20:38.48 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: not you, mckenziemc |
| 20:39.32 | Ackis | ah |
