| 00:02.53 | Pirate952 | where can i go to view all the spelloverlaytextures in TEXTURES\\SPELLACTIVATIONOVERLAYS\\? |
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| 00:05.01 | pigeon | does anyone know about a ui addon called _NPCScan, how does it do the "scanning"? |
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| 00:05.56 | pigeon | can you actually get a list of npcs or players around you? |
| 00:05.56 | bluspacecow | afaik takes a gander at the combat log |
| 00:06.50 | Valdarix|3 | I thought it had to do with an npcs id being loaded into the cache |
| 00:07.25 | bluspacecow | oh yeah the cache file |
| 00:07.42 | bluspacecow | i think it scans it for IDs |
| 00:07.52 | pigeon | right, so it's not really scanning from what is around you. |
| 00:07.55 | bluspacecow | scanning for all npc and players around you would be so ineffecient |
| 00:08.10 | bluspacecow | scans for _particular_ ids that is |
| 00:08.15 | Valdarix|Home | which is why you have to clear the cache when a hunters pet triggers the addon |
| 00:08.23 | pigeon | is there actually an api to get a list of npcs or players around you though? |
| 00:08.56 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 00:10.17 | pigeon | well, i'm curious if i could write something that can help pvp, say i always want to target hunter or healer first. |
| 00:10.29 | Shirik | my dog is barking and growling |
| 00:10.30 | Shirik | at a fly |
| 00:10.40 | Shirik | like you would think someone is in the house with a gun or something, he's that mad |
| 00:10.59 | bluspacecow | i would start with the programming section at wowpedia.org or explore wowprogramming.com to see if i could find any interesting function calls |
| 00:11.02 | bluspacecow | lolz shiriik |
| 00:11.12 | bluspacecow | your dogs like "how dare you live" to the fly |
| 00:11.19 | pigeon | heh |
| 00:11.32 | Shirik | what's worse is my dog downstairs hears him |
| 00:11.35 | bluspacecow | first thing you should do tho |
| 00:11.38 | Shirik | and HE starts barking just because this one is |
| 00:11.43 | pigeon | yeah i've been going thru wowprogramming.com. |
| 00:11.45 | Shirik | has no idea what he's barking at |
| 00:11.52 | bluspacecow | is pull apart the NPCscan code till you find the part that scans from the cache |
| 00:11.55 | bluspacecow | and look that up |
| 00:12.14 | bluspacecow | oh dear lord http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/06/the-vyne-adorkable-wearable-iphone-mount/ |
| 00:19.42 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 00:19.49 | Dagmar | Now only one question remains |
| 00:20.50 | Dagmar | Is it strong enough to support your entire body weight when you wrap it around your neck and attach it to a ceiling fixture in order to end your miserable existance after spending money to buy the thing because you're so lazy you can't be bothered to hold an iPhone up |
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| 00:28.34 | pigeon | ha, IsLinuxClient()... |
| 00:29.21 | karl_w_w | !api islinux |
| 00:29.21 | lua_bot | IsLinuxClient: Returns whether the player is using the Linux game client (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsLinuxClient) |
| 00:29.55 | karl_w_w | how long has that been in there? |
| 00:30.16 | Pirate952 | where can i view TEXTURES\\SPELLACTIVATIONOVERLAYS\\ and seethem all? |
| 00:30.43 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 00:30.49 | karl_w_w | on mmo champion |
| 00:30.52 | bluspacecow | install Ladik's MPQ editor |
| 00:31.02 | pigeon | i wonder if it knows wow running under wine... |
| 00:31.04 | bluspacecow | and list em yourself :D |
| 00:33.45 | Dagmar | So... about that pet armor nerf, for those who aren't aware of the numbers involved. My 85 hunter in full mail has 12682 armor. The tenacity gorilla I run with has currently 24834 armor |
| 00:33.54 | bluspacecow | oh boy 4.0.6 PTR |
| 00:34.44 | Dagmar | 70% of my armor on the gorilla would mean he only has *35%* of what he used to |
| 00:34.57 | Dagmar | My girlfriend's fucking *frost mage* has a higher armor rating |
| 00:35.11 | Dagmar | That's what I mean by it being a ludicrously low figure |
| 00:35.33 | Dagmar | If a clothie can take hits better than the pets that are meant to take hits, then what the fuck |
| 00:35.37 | foxlit | /care ? |
| 00:35.49 | foxlit | Why is your pet taking hits? |
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| 00:36.09 | Dagmar | foxlit: Because that's his freaking job |
| 00:36.16 | Nobgul | What do you use to edit tga files? Photoshop? |
| 00:36.26 | foxlit | His freaking job is to keep mobs from eating your face for the 8 seconds it takes you to kill them. |
| 00:36.27 | Dagmar | People were acting earlier like that planned change was no big deal |
| 00:36.50 | Dagmar | Pets shoudlnt' have less armor than a freaking clothie |
| 00:37.03 | foxlit | Players shouldn't have less armor than a freaking pet. |
| 00:37.14 | foxlit | "freaking" makes every argument more valid! |
| 00:37.20 | Dagmar | Fine. Why wouldn't it be equal to the hunters armor then? |
| 00:37.39 | Xyphoid | you're wearing chain mail? |
| 00:37.40 | Dagmar | Whining about verbiage makes your rebuttal oh so much less useless |
| 00:38.09 | foxlit | Hey, who's whining? I'm enjoying colorful use of language here! |
| 00:38.11 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Hunters wear mail, but 70% of that puts the pets actually _below_ clothies in their armor |
| 00:38.16 | Dagmar | ...and pets can no longer be buffed |
| 00:38.30 | Dagmar | That's a freaking HUGE nerf |
| 00:39.20 | foxlit | You might even have to consider casting Mend Pet once in a while? |
| 00:39.22 | foxlit | HORROR! |
| 00:39.58 | karl_w_w | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/spelloverlayeffects.jpg <- proc ovelays Pirate952 |
| 00:40.19 | foxlit | But yes, you're right, it's a huge nerf. |
| 00:40.50 | Kraps | lord godfrey is fucking scary |
| 00:41.09 | foxlit | It's just not a huge nerf in any meaningful context -- it's unlikely to make your versus-same-level levelling dramatically less effective, and it's not likely to affect you in raids at all. |
| 00:41.45 | Xyphoid | i just want to know how much of an actual nerf it is, i assume that that 70% of your armor is then modified by pet and hunter talents |
| 00:41.56 | bluspacecow | ha ha the PTR sticky _still_ hasn't been updated , "wowtest folder" ... wtf we haven't used that method of installation since 3.3! |
| 00:42.04 | Xyphoid | i just read it as 'rather than using a base number per pet type, we're using your armor' |
| 00:42.48 | Jerub | bear dps has been nerfed hard. |
| 00:42.52 | Dagmar | foxlit: Again, my girlfriend's _mage_ has more armor than that |
| 00:43.03 | Jerub | considering i was pulling 15k in some fights, i'm not surprised. |
| 00:43.04 | foxlit | I don't see why that matters. |
| 00:43.06 | Dagmar | They need to clarify that mess |
| 00:43.32 | Dagmar | foxlit: Because clothies *die* and huntering's gonna suck if it means resurrecting your "tanking" pet after two mobs eat him |
| 00:44.11 | Jerub | i'm actually enjoying my mage now that we've got arcane blast = slow |
| 00:44.22 | Jerub | that was the thing tha ti was missing in wotlk that made it so painful for me |
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| 00:48.22 | cbreak | Jerub: too bad it's low dps :/ |
| 00:48.27 | cbreak | (apparently) |
| 00:50.23 | Xyphoid | i suck, can't find what base armor values for pets are anywhere |
| 00:52.57 | Dagmar | Well, my tenacity pet shows 11092+13742 and my ferocity pet shows 11092+7795 |
| 00:53.27 | Jerub | cbreak: meh, at the moment i'm just farming leather |
| 00:54.20 | Dagmar | The +nnnn part is apparently my gear contribution to that |
| 00:55.19 | Dagmar | Apparently "skyscraper" is naughty. Heh |
| 00:55.48 | Dagmar | I should file for a patent on an obscenity filter that incorporates a spellchecker to avoid silliness |
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| 00:56.49 | Dagmar | ...although that would have taken away the giggle of getting a [Long @!#$!! Sword] in CB |
| 00:59.04 | kd3 | huh, another ptr build |
| 00:59.07 | kd3 | ponders some more |
| 01:02.56 | Dagmar | kd3: Might be they're trying again to fix Defending the Rift |
| 01:03.00 | Jerub | has someone already cracked it open to look for new stuff? |
| 01:03.12 | Dagmar | I've got a guildie smashing his face into the wall on that bug right now |
| 01:03.23 | Jerub | which bug? |
| 01:03.33 | Dagmar | The moment someone else starts it.... *poof* all the NPCs on the boat disappear, and the phase moves on without him |
| 01:03.45 | Dagmar | Drowning and much luls ensue forthwith |
| 01:04.26 | Dagmar | He was a little freaked until I told him abandoning it 'ports you out, because his hearth was on cooldown |
| 01:04.27 | Jerub | awesome |
| 01:05.44 | kapipi | I had fun with my fishing pole, watching people turn into skellies with that bug. |
| 01:06.31 | Jerub | sigh. fishing. |
| 01:06.41 | Jerub | if i'm going to get set the oven to cataclysmic i need to start doing that |
| 01:06.56 | kapipi | "Hey dude, this quest is bugged. Watch your breath timer!" |
| 01:07.03 | kapipi | "What do you mean?" |
| 01:07.25 | Dagmar | kapipi: I kind of enjoyed seeing the skeletons by the door at the top of the sub where someone was previously clawing desperately at the door trying to get out before they drowned. :) |
| 01:07.36 | kapipi | "OMG" *runs around frantically to see whats doing damage, then dies* |
| 01:08.25 | kapipi | I tried healing people through it too, didn't work too well but it bought them another 10 secs or so :D |
| 01:09.01 | cbreak | drowning? |
| 01:09.11 | cbreak | people still need air these days? |
| 01:09.35 | Dagmar | You do if you're trying [Defending the Rift]. :) |
| 01:10.15 | Dagmar | When the phase moves on without you, it takes your Sea Legs buff with it. |
| 01:10.16 | Dagmar | Doh! |
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| 01:10.47 | cbreak | still, you have several minutes of air |
| 01:11.06 | cbreak | that should be enough to fish out some water breathing equipment from your bag or just teleport away |
| 01:11.12 | Dagmar | That means you have several minutes to admire the inside of your new, watery tomb. |
| 01:11.19 | kapipi | Yeah but for some reason people usually phase in then go afk for a bit. |
| 01:11.33 | Dagmar | 'cuz that cut scene is't the most exciting thing to watch |
| 01:11.45 | kapipi | And they dont notice the breath timer going down until they start taking damage. |
| 01:12.02 | Wobin | it's like the starting event for vash'jir |
| 01:12.08 | Wobin | each time I've done it, it's bugged out on me |
| 01:12.11 | Wobin | and I've drowned |
| 01:12.24 | Wobin | every. single. time |
| 01:13.06 | cbreak | I cary around an underwater breathing pole from gnomeregan all the time. since five years |
| 01:13.13 | cbreak | ha! |
| 01:13.30 | Jerub | cbreak: heh |
| 01:13.32 | Jerub | i'm a druid |
| 01:13.40 | airtonix | i thought you just wrote underwear breathing pole |
| 01:13.56 | Jerub | airtonix: that would explain how murlocs talk |
| 01:13.58 | Dagmar | I had a serious macguyver moment there going "Okay... what crap is in my bags that might get me out of this alive??" |
| 01:14.00 | cbreak | that sounds unhealthy |
| 01:14.14 | Dagmar | Noggenfogger! YES! *guzzleguzzleguzzle* |
| 01:14.14 | cbreak | Dagmar: hearth stone? |
| 01:14.20 | cbreak | teleportation trinket from black temple? |
| 01:14.27 | cbreak | teleportation cloak from the guild? |
| 01:14.35 | foxlit | who carries that stuff around?! |
| 01:14.41 | cbreak | <- |
| 01:14.41 | airtonix | the stoneguys tankard |
| 01:14.47 | Dagmar | cbreak: All those things have cooldowns. Abandoning the quest gets you out over and over |
| 01:14.54 | foxlit | All you need is Alchemy, some deepblossom and a vial. |
| 01:15.02 | cbreak | HS has 15 min cd nowadays |
| 01:15.16 | Dagmar | I carry Noggenfogger around because it's good for protecting you against (most) gnomes. |
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| 01:15.28 | Dagmar | Hexscrub is a "special" case |
| 01:15.38 | foxlit | [It's a pity that Potion of Deepholm requires level 85] |
| 01:15.47 | foxlit | That thing is like a Hearthstone with a 1-minute cooldown. |
| 01:16.11 | kapipi | Im not sure, but it seems unlikely your druid swimming form would help you. |
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| 01:33.50 | Dagmar | You are barking up the wrong tree worrying about OpenJDK, man |
| 01:39.21 | bluspacecow | "This is a fun paragraph: After mating, the female searches for a meal of blood . needed to produce eggs. (Little is known about the male, who is a vegetarian.)" |
| 01:39.37 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 01:39.51 | Dagmar | That's mincing about the point, isn't it? |
| 01:43.04 | airtonix | truck bearing kibble slide : praying mantis dating service, female inquires "need a man with a good head on his shoulders" |
| 01:44.17 | airtonix | http://truckbearingkibble.com/images/misc/head-over-metasoma-lg.jpg |
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| 02:05.54 | Shirik | Cide-: How familiar are you with the concept of genetic algorithms? |
| 02:08.31 | Kraps | is balance viable for leveling? |
| 02:10.18 | airtonix | Kraps, can you find out and tell me please ? kthx |
| 02:10.28 | Kraps | no airtonix |
| 02:10.32 | airtonix | T_T |
| 02:10.45 | Jerub | Kraps: yep |
| 02:10.46 | Shirik | ~wiki Halloween Pretzels |
| 02:10.54 | Jerub | but feral is best |
| 02:11.45 | Kraps | Jerub: can you heal instances ok if you're feral? |
| 02:12.00 | Jerub | Kraps: you'll oom if you try to heal as balance |
| 02:12.09 | Jerub | you can dual spec at 30 anyway |
| 02:12.30 | Jerub | don't do dual feral/balance unless you're skinning/lw so you can get both gearsets in a reasonable way |
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| 02:23.43 | Cide- | Shirik, not at all ready |
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| 02:24.31 | Cide- | really* |
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| 02:26.55 | Torhal | dolby: If you're here - the "New Posts" number appears to show posts in threads which I have filtered. It will say, for example, "New Posts (27)" when I only see two on my screen. |
| 02:27.57 | dolby | ah yeah that makes sense, that query doesn't take your excluded forums in account. will work on fix. thanks |
| 02:29.23 | Torhal | np :) |
| 02:29.31 | Cide- | Shirik, well the concept a bit but never used one |
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| 02:37.41 | Adys | to anyone lucky enough to be able to view this or own an UK proxy: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-specials/4od#3150004 |
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| 02:39.29 | Adys | This almost beats Something Wicked This Way Comes |
| 02:42.38 | Kraps | awesome top hat is awesome |
| 02:44.49 | Jerub | if you've not seen it, the movie of "Tomorrow When The War Began" was actually very good. |
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| 02:50.41 | Kraps | i hope this isnt a troll http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/149684/need-blue-respone-asap-this-is-bs |
| 02:50.55 | Kraps | so i can laugh at humanity |
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| 02:54.21 | Kraps | hotfixes http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1232869 |
| 02:54.30 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/VWydT.jpg |
| 02:55.19 | Kraps | Jerub: oshit Jerub |
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| 02:57.56 | Kraps | Jerub: http://www.fun-with-english.co.uk/2009/02/stress-relief.html |
| 02:58.48 | foreplay | What would be the best way to create something that would allow me to type in info and have it scroll too |
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| 03:07.43 | Iriel | Xzempt: a multi-line edit box or a scrolling message frame? |
| 03:07.48 | Iriel | How often do you intend to hit enter? |
| 03:07.59 | Xzempt | alot |
| 03:08.20 | Iriel | Maybe just copy the chat frame model |
| 03:08.29 | Xzempt | i have it all working atm but the text runs out of the frame once it reaches the bottom of it |
| 03:08.32 | Iriel | You type into an edit box, when you hit enter it's added to a scrolling message frame |
| 03:15.09 | Xzempt | im using a multi line editbox atm |
| 03:15.32 | Xzempt | but i cant figure out how to make the text not leave the frame when it reaches the bottom |
| 03:16.54 | Iriel | Make the box bigger and put it in a scrollframe perhaps? |
| 03:19.03 | Xzempt | hmm |
| 03:19.06 | Xzempt | ill try that |
| 03:19.06 | Xzempt | thanks |
| 03:34.48 | Adys | (if you have a thebox account, Enigma is up here: http://thebox.bz/details.php?id=143069) |
| 03:42.56 | Thunder_Child | "Michael Jackson: The Experience" Guess what i thought first when i read this. |
| 03:43.09 | Kraps | frankly my dear, i dont give a damn |
| 03:43.38 | Thunder_Child | frankly my dear, call me my dear again and i'll make you damned. |
| 03:46.00 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i love the way he says it |
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| 03:57.19 | airtonix | hoho |
| 03:57.22 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/IBXFX.jpg |
| 03:59.24 | karl_w_w | terrible |
| 03:59.57 | karl_w_w | shamefully bad joke |
| 04:00.46 | Kraps | karl_w_w: he wants him to make it red |
| 04:00.56 | Kraps | because red shirts die |
| 04:01.09 | Kraps | get it? |
| 04:02.43 | airtonix | no |
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| 04:03.37 | karl_w_w | is there a nice easy way to work out why certain actions are taking ages? |
| 04:03.50 | karl_w_w | like changing what map zone you're looking at |
| 04:05.50 | karl_w_w | hmm maybe its cos i have taint log on |
| 04:06.04 | Kraps | airtonix: in startrek the guys wearing red shirts usually die the most |
| 04:08.21 | Landrell | They're the expendables... |
| 04:08.42 | Landrell | Watch some of the Original series and you'll start seeing the trend real quick. |
| 04:09.47 | airtonix | but what's dying got to do with my awesome picture? |
| 04:10.28 | karl_w_w | maybe because you dye clothes? kinda weak link there! |
| 04:10.46 | airtonix | ,< |
| 04:10.59 | Landrell | Naw, I caught the joke, just was referring to what Kraps was talking about. |
| 04:12.11 | Kraps | http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/22/42/afc9885f9d257674eab411db244d74ee.jpg |
| 04:15.38 | Landrell | heh |
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| 04:19.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/so.png |
| 04:22.42 | airtonix | inb4 so karl_w_w you think it's ok to link funny ass images in irc .... |
| 04:22.51 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 04:23.20 | karl_w_w | what I'm trying to do is be fabulous |
| 04:23.35 | airtonix | oh yes darling |
| 04:23.43 | airtonix | absolutely |
| 04:24.45 | Landrell | :P |
| 04:26.47 | Kraps | Zarhym - Convincing quips, comrade. |
| 04:27.42 | airtonix | ç¨ç´â¼ºç¯ç·æ®çµæ¥®æ®æ¡·æ¥â¹¬ç¯â½§æ½¦ç²â½æ¡³ç¯æ¡´æ²æ¡ç®ç¨ã¿ã´â´´æ
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| 04:27.58 | airtonix | i once said that while randoming the street |
| 04:28.12 | Xzempt | ç¨ç´â¼ºç¯ç·æ®çµæ¥®æ®æ¡·æ¥â¹¬ç¯â½§æ½¦ç²â½æ¡³ç¯æ¡´æ²æ¡ç®ç¨ã¿ã´â´´æ
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| 04:28.15 | Xzempt | -.o |
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| 04:28.46 | airtonix | but in fact what i meant to say was |
| 04:28.49 | airtonix | http://www.burningwheel.org/forum/showthread.php?1414-Lando-Calrissian&s=e73db04299348f8674e9f163f782db63&p=12223#post12223 |
| 04:29.08 | airtonix | (it's a sign synergy will segfault soon) |
| 04:29.38 | Kraps | airtonix: what the eff |
| 04:30.12 | Xzempt | Synergy as in the program that allows you to share one keyboard and mouse acrss 1-4 machines? |
| 04:30.20 | Xzempt | across* |
| 04:30.26 | airtonix | yes |
| 04:30.42 | Xzempt | That program is great |
| 04:30.46 | airtonix | you can in fact do infinite amount |
| 04:30.54 | Xzempt | oh? |
| 04:31.18 | airtonix | i did it once |
| 04:31.21 | Xzempt | I only saw where you were able to set up 4 sreens |
| 04:31.25 | Xzempt | screens* |
| 04:31.31 | airtonix | not screens |
| 04:31.33 | airtonix | displays |
| 04:31.44 | airtonix | and thats only 4 per server |
| 04:32.30 | Torhal | Because airtonix has infinite machines with which to do this. |
| 04:32.35 | airtonix | indeed |
| 04:33.44 | airtonix | it gets tupid, like a really long html page that won't stop scrolling... then you realise you have to eventually get back to the top |
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| 04:36.02 | airtonix | mmm lian-li make some nice mitx nas cases |
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| 04:51.59 | Fisker | i'm the sickest of sick airtonix |
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| 05:02.48 | airtonix | that's unfortunate |
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| 05:05.23 | Fisker | i'm so very sick |
| 05:06.09 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it |
| 05:06.38 | Xzempt | Mentally perhaps. |
| 05:09.26 | Fisker | no u Thunder_Child |
| 05:15.28 | airtonix | is there some kind of device for a car that automatically turns off the headlights after x mins of engine being turned off ? |
| 05:16.07 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.12 | Thunder_Child | but it's usually built in |
| 05:16.31 | airtonix | you know what they call them so i can search for one ? |
| 05:16.44 | Thunder_Child | mot at all |
| 05:16.47 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 05:17.09 | Thunder_Child | concidering how much electronics are in them i would guess it's computer controlled |
| 05:20.04 | kd3 | 'device'? you mean the battery draining? |
| 05:20.10 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:20.19 | airtonix | yes |
| 05:22.08 | Fisker | hey kd3 :( |
| 05:22.15 | Fisker | still not figured out ze problem? |
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| 05:22.29 | kd3 | until I can figure out what's different with the mpqs, no, not yet |
| 05:22.49 | Trela | Hmm, so this PHP product I bought has this in their license of "You may not: - reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Software for distribution or usage outside your web site." How exactly do you no reverse engineer or disassemble visible source code? :P |
| 05:23.17 | CombatDork | any 1 know how to get to the default WoW textures? |
| 05:23.30 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 05:23.30 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 05:23.41 | Trela | *do you not |
| 05:23.46 | kd3 | download the artwork zip |
| 05:24.47 | airtonix | Trela, is it obfuscated ? |
| 05:25.25 | Trela | airtonix: Nope, 100% super easy to read, well formatted code. |
| 05:25.45 | Trela | Obviously the derivative works stands valid. |
| 05:25.56 | CombatDork | you guys rock thanks |
| 05:26.29 | Trela | It even includes PHPDoc generated documentation from the also well commented code. |
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| 05:26.52 | Torhal | Trela: You reverse engineer it by working with the product and writing a work-alike from scratch based on your observations. |
| 05:26.53 | Torhal | Or something. |
| 05:26.56 | Torhal | And stuff. |
| 05:27.33 | airtonix | and like |
| 05:27.37 | airtonix | things |
| 05:27.39 | Trela | Torhal: Suppose that makes sense. I think what I am doing should be in the clear then. |
| 05:28.10 | airtonix | addonsreasymode! |
| 05:28.24 | airtonix | lolaion |
| 05:28.56 | CombatDork | really? I'm an old code monkey and its not easy to catch up on 8 years of programming code |
| 05:29.14 | airtonix | see above |
| 05:29.16 | airtonix | re: aion |
| 05:29.43 | CombatDork | oh. ty |
| 05:30.24 | karl_w_w | i hate corborus |
| 05:30.59 | CombatDork | let that rage out |
| 05:31.04 | CombatDork | lol |
| 05:31.14 | karl_w_w | seems like if ur in the middle of the dust when it appears it's impossible to get out in time |
| 05:32.38 | CombatDork | yeah. those damn worms |
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| 06:20.17 | Parnic | kd3: did you see the ptr 4.0.6 patch notes just posted on mmo-champ? "Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code." |
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| 06:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | what exactly does that mean? |
| 06:31.50 | Mr_Rabies | the addon stuff in notes is a lot more technical now it seems |
| 06:32.44 | bluspacecow | which notes ? |
| 06:32.50 | bluspacecow | sorry arrived late to convo. |
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| 06:34.37 | pigeon | if i have the player name string, can i find out its class using api? since UnitClass only takes things like 'target' or 'player' |
| 06:37.11 | Mr_Rabies | bluspacecow |
| 06:37.14 | Mr_Rabies | <Parnic> kd3: did you see the ptr 4.0.6 patch notes just posted on mmo-champ? "Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code." |
| 06:37.24 | bluspacecow | ah right |
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| 06:59.59 | Kraps | just watched RED |
| 07:00.05 | Kraps | fun stuff |
| 07:00.36 | Xzempt | lol |
| 07:00.47 | Xzempt | that sounds familiar |
| 07:01.08 | Kraps | http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/RED_movie_5522.jpg |
| 07:01.13 | Xzempt | I watched 6 seasons of lost in 2 days |
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| 07:01.45 | Arrowmaster | was it a 12-13 episode per season show or something? |
| 07:01.48 | Xzempt | Now that I've seen it all, I'm wondering why I never bothered watching it before |
| 07:02.09 | Xzempt | the 1st 3 seasons were 20-24 episodes |
| 07:02.18 | Xzempt | then it was lik 17-20 |
| 07:02.37 | Xzempt | ohhhh yeah |
| 07:02.42 | Xzempt | thats a pretty good movie Kraps |
| 07:06.54 | Torhal | I seriously doubt you watched all 6 seasons in two days, especially considering the length of the first few seasons. |
| 07:07.11 | Torhal | But I was of the same mind when I finally watched it - why the hell hadn't I before? |
| 07:07.14 | bluspacecow | he knows time travel torhal |
| 07:07.15 | Torhal | Damn good show. |
| 07:07.19 | bluspacecow | didn't you know ? |
| 07:07.28 | Torhal | bluspacecow: No! You! |
| 07:07.41 | bluspacecow | *bats torhals long hat like a kitty kat* |
| 07:08.10 | Torhal | I don't even wear short hats. |
| 07:08.20 | bluspacecow | *hair |
| 07:08.24 | bluspacecow | not hat |
| 07:08.29 | bluspacecow | i r silly |
| 07:09.02 | Xzempt | Torhal |
| 07:09.09 | Kraps | long hat |
| 07:09.10 | Xzempt | I watched 6 seasons in 2 days |
| 07:09.16 | Xzempt | seriously |
| 07:09.40 | Xzempt | I have problems sleeping most of the time, so im at the pc 24/7 most of the time |
| 07:10.40 | Arrowmaster | was it only 30 minute episodes? |
| 07:10.49 | Xzempt | ~43ish |
| 07:10.54 | Torhal | There's a logistical problem with that - even with commercials cut out, each episode runs from 41-45 minutes. |
| 07:11.31 | Arrowmaster | then i dont see how its possible to watch 6 seasons of a 45 minute per episode show if the first 3 seasons where 20-24 episodes |
| 07:11.38 | Arrowmaster | in just 2 days |
| 07:12.21 | Torhal | Season 1 was 24 episodes. Season 2 was 23, season 3 was 22, season 4 was 13 (writer's strike), seasons 5 and 6 were 16 |
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| 07:12.35 | Torhal | No way, in two days. |
| 07:12.58 | Arrowmaster | season 1 alone would be 18 hours |
| 07:13.06 | Xzempt | it wasnt much more than two days if it wasnt 2 days, i watched every episode before i slept |
| 07:14.39 | Arrowmaster | lua> (24+23+22+13+16+16)*.75 |
| 07:14.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 85.5 |
| 07:14.54 | Arrowmaster | lua> (24+23+22+13+16+16)*.75/24 |
| 07:14.54 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3.5625 |
| 07:15.03 | Arrowmaster | 3.5 days |
| 07:15.06 | Xzempt | so 3 and a half days |
| 07:15.08 | Xzempt | w/e |
| 07:15.09 | Xzempt | lol |
| 07:17.29 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.49 | Jerub | *shakes fist* |
| 07:18.19 | cbreak_work | "Card Counting is illegal" |
| 07:18.43 | Jerub | # Kill credit for the Tol Barad bonus quest bosses will now be granted to players who have helped attack them, even if they are not in the same group. These bosses include Problim, Archmage Galus, Warden Silva, and Svarnos. |
| 07:18.54 | Jerub | yaaaay |
| 07:19.17 | Jerub | has anyone else been in the basement of the prison where 40+ people are spamming aoe to tag the guy when he spawns? |
| 07:20.00 | Xzempt | rofl |
| 07:20.06 | Xzempt | dont you just love it when they do that |
| 07:20.46 | Jerub | at least people /say got 2 spaces in this group, pst |
| 07:22.17 | Xzempt | where i play its just a bunch of retards that want to zerg stuff |
| 07:22.30 | Xzempt | they dont care about what they are supposed to do or how its supposed to be done |
| 07:22.33 | Xzempt | lol |
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| 07:26.46 | Kraps | heard of this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaGLDKBE8Ho&NR=1 |
| 07:28.39 | Xzempt | Actually yeah, I saw this guy on the News today. |
| 07:29.24 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 07:31.24 | Fisker | i fucked his mom |
| 07:31.36 | Fisker | oh |
| 07:31.42 | Fisker | should've clicked the link before responding |
| 07:32.00 | Kraps | shes 90 btw Fisker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySEmHXrlVY&feature=related |
| 07:32.01 | Xzempt | no worries Fisker, I like inter-racial sex as well. |
| 07:32.12 | Kraps | and kind of a jerk |
| 07:33.58 | bluspacecow | fisker is an all opportunites fucker |
| 07:34.08 | bluspacecow | if it moves , is vaguely female and yr mom |
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| 07:34.13 | bluspacecow | he will fuck it |
| 07:34.19 | Xzempt | equal opportunity fucker eh? |
| 07:34.30 | bluspacecow | yeah ! |
| 07:35.43 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 07:35.52 | bluspacecow | yes ? |
| 07:36.03 | Kraps | you could even say hes a motherfucker |
| 07:36.10 | Fisker | i saw the i5-2500k for nothing at all |
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| 07:37.37 | Fisker | i kinda lol'd btw bluspacecow |
| 07:37.56 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1417738735#15 <-aww he was just diplomatic and polite :3 |
| 07:38.35 | Kraps | "Archaeology fragments now have a hard cap of 200 per race. Players will not be able to collect additional fragments until they complete artifacts to take them down below 200 fragments." |
| 07:38.54 | Jerub | Kraps: old |
| 07:39.01 | Jerub | (i said that a few minutes ago) |
| 07:39.17 | Jerub | time to make a whole pile of worthless fossil commons then |
| 07:39.23 | Fisker | no |
| 07:39.36 | Kraps | The Reputation Pane now saves which reputation categories are expanded or collapsed. |
| 07:39.42 | Fisker | unless they'll not let us complete fossil digsites |
| 07:39.43 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.47 | Fisker | in which case FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU |
| 07:39.48 | Jerub | Kraps: huzzah |
| 07:39.50 | Fisker | :3 |
| 07:39.55 | Jerub | fucking arch |
| 07:40.10 | Jerub | i'm holding off on bothering with it until they fix fossil |
| 07:40.24 | Jerub | and until 4.0.6 when my epic flight form actually gets the speed buff |
| 07:40.27 | Jerub | grumble. |
| 07:40.57 | Fisker | so why did they give us some sacred shield bs? |
| 07:41.07 | Fisker | *yawn* |
| 07:41.14 | Fisker | Word of Glory will no longer reset the swing timer. |
| 07:41.14 | Fisker | woo |
| 07:41.24 | zenzio | "fix" fossil? |
| 07:41.48 | Kraps | bejeweled 3 |
| 07:41.51 | Fisker | Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code. <-wat? |
| 07:42.02 | Jerub | zenzio: make it so that you don't have to go mine out fossil areas in order to get troll/dwarf/nelf/tol'vir spawns |
| 07:42.17 | Jerub | zenzio: or any other race that you've already gotten both the rares of |
| 07:42.47 | zenzio | ah; that would be nice |
| 07:42.57 | Jerub | or, alternatively, make it worth your while |
| 07:43.04 | Jerub | it's okay pre-85, because you're getting XP |
| 07:43.11 | Jerub | but at 85, it's a colossal waste of time |
| 07:43.14 | Jerub | no keystones in fossil either |
| 07:53.38 | karl_w_w | Fisker i dont have an eu account :( |
| 07:54.16 | karl_w_w | post in that thread and tell them they are idiots, blizzard have never said u cant gamble they have only said you can't advertise it |
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| 08:14.46 | Adys | kd3: issue identified |
| 08:14.58 | Adys | kd3: ladik will send you an experimental build of MPQEdit later today |
| 08:17.49 | Fisker | ladik's Adys |
| 08:18.50 | Fisker | Customizable LED's on my memory? It's more likely than you think |
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| 08:33.47 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 08:34.06 | Kalroth | 'isker |
| 08:36.05 | Fisker | can't read my pokerface |
| 08:37.50 | Adys | that's because you can't read |
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| 08:40.20 | Fisker | :< |
| 08:40.52 | Elunatic | :> |
| 08:41.08 | Fisker | :< |
| 08:41.35 | Elunatic | :> |
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| 08:54.34 | Adys | Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code. |
| 08:54.36 | Adys | blinks |
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| 08:56.18 | Fisker | what it is Adys ? |
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| 08:57.07 | Adys | hm? |
| 08:57.36 | Fisker | the commands? :< |
| 08:57.45 | Adys | its a bit obvious isnt it? :p |
| 08:58.33 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 08:58.48 | Adys | it exports interface files |
| 08:58.50 | Adys | art, or code |
| 08:59.22 | Fisker | oh so you can export your own addon kit or shit like that? |
| 09:00.39 | Adys | yes, it gets rid of the need of an UI extractor |
| 09:00.41 | Adys | pokes kd3 |
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| 09:05.21 | Adys | http://www2.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html heh |
| 09:07.00 | mitch0 | is it possible to define a template for Textures in xml? (as opposed to frames) |
| 09:07.40 | Adys | id say try it, but then again, should i say anything, i'd rather say "use lua not xml" |
| 09:08.02 | mitch0 | yeah, unfortunately SetHorizTile() and SetVertTile() is broken |
| 09:08.27 | mitch0 | so I'll try creating the texture with a template that already sets thos |
| 09:08.30 | mitch0 | e |
| 09:10.05 | Elkano | mitch0: virtual=true |
| 09:10.17 | Fisker | Â |
| 09:11.06 | Elkano | virtualizes Fisker, removes the concret version and loses the abstract one in a power shortage... |
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| 09:13.42 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:13.51 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap |
| 09:13.52 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 09:14.09 | Fisker | why would you do that? |
| 09:14.24 | bluspacecow | because the fishy loves you. |
| 09:14.33 | Fisker | no :< |
| 09:14.36 | Xzempt | He wanted your face to smell like Vagina. |
| 09:14.52 | Fisker | your moms vagina smells like your face |
| 09:15.01 | Elunatic | I clicked into this channel at the correct moment... |
| 09:15.04 | Xzempt | lol |
| 09:15.46 | mitch0 | github is slow |
| 09:15.49 | mitch0 | dammit |
| 09:15.59 | Elkano | mitch0: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/UIPanelTemplates.xml#L1488 |
| 09:16.04 | Fisker | i once mitch0'd a github |
| 09:16.29 | mitch0 | elk: thanks |
| 09:17.11 | Elkano | mitch0: they changed many of their frames to use a system that allows flexible size instead of using fixed textures :) |
| 09:17.33 | mitch0 | too bad they're still stuck with this xml shite |
| 09:17.33 | Fisker | I textured your moms face in a frame |
| 09:18.13 | Elkano | mitch0, that "xml shit" isn't that bad... |
| 09:18.20 | mitch0 | is too |
| 09:18.50 | Fisker | i'll be giggling like a little school girl in a couple of minutes |
| 09:20.24 | Elkano | so no change to the usual you then... |
| 09:20.43 | Fisker | you wound me Elkano |
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| 09:22.27 | Elkano | He's wounded! Volunteers to finish him off? |
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| 09:30.53 | Fiskers | moo: hdd: C:\ 47.2GB/60GB S:\ 5.32TB/5.32TB T:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB U:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB V:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB W:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB X:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB Y:\ 3.59TB/3.59TB Z:\ 7.17TB/7.17TB |
| 09:31.08 | Fisker | tee hee |
| 09:31.21 | bluspacecow | Moo whoo |
| 09:35.34 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 09:35.34 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 09:43.22 | pigeon | gold |
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| 10:06.50 | mitch0 | so, back on the xml template stuff. I just add the .xml to the .toc and that's it, right? |
| 10:07.46 | Xzempt | yep |
| 10:08.30 | mitch0 | alright. will fight with those damn borders a bit more tonight then |
| 10:09.13 | Xzempt | i tried creating my own border file |
| 10:09.19 | Xzempt | i couldnt ever get it right lol |
| 10:09.25 | Xzempt | so i found one and edited it lol |
| 10:09.45 | Xzempt | i just wanted a blue line around the frame |
| 10:09.49 | mitch0 | I don't have a problem with the files. I have a problem with displaying them ;) |
| 10:09.50 | Xzempt | seemed easy enough |
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| 10:17.07 | mitch0 | does it seem about right? http://ace.pastey.net/144624 |
| 10:18.00 | Xzempt | pretty sure you need the path name |
| 10:18.27 | Xzempt | like Interfacve\AddOns\MyAddon\filename-here |
| 10:19.08 | mitch0 | is that required? I'm planning to set that later |
| 10:19.26 | Xzempt | im not sure, im pretty new to this |
| 10:19.37 | Xzempt | i always declare my path's in the xml tho |
| 10:20.26 | Wobin | hm, Rift Beta, eh? |
| 10:21.29 | Fisker | i'm very sick mitch0 |
| 10:21.54 | mitch0 | drink some vodka |
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| 10:34.02 | Fisker | i'm doing stuff mitch0 |
| 10:34.23 | mitch0 | drink it in secret then |
| 10:43.23 | Fisker | i need a mini-itx motherboard mitch0 |
| 10:44.40 | mitch0 | don't have any handy, sorry |
| 10:44.41 | Fisker | oh how i hate Windows being unable to ask for elevation when i use an unelevated command prompt to do elevated commands |
| 10:44.42 | Fisker | jersk |
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| 10:55.23 | electronicmaji | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ptf-live1 |
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| 11:02.19 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped mitch0 |
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| 11:08.53 | nobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ballcock&diff=next&oldid=320699538 |
| 11:09.09 | nobin | i love that wikipedia has a 'Ballcock' page |
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| 11:11.16 | foxlit | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/archive/9/9c/20101230053156!MokaHands_CN.png << the globe quality is kind of meh? |
| 11:16.21 | Fisker | looks photoshopped |
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| 11:30.56 | Cruciformer | Hey guys ... long time no see :) |
| 11:31.23 | Cruciformer | Shadowed: you there? |
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| 12:13.19 | zenzio | you picked a quiet time to return Cruciformer :-p |
| 12:13.34 | Cruciformer | clearly :) How you been zen? |
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| 13:24.43 | Lopeppeppy | Someone lied to me. The snow started at LEAST 6 hours early. *grumpy cat noises* |
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| 13:27.00 | Cruciformer | this just in: weather still unpredictable! News at 8! |
| 13:27.11 | Cruciformer | and hi lope :) ltns. |
| 13:28.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah yeah, bite me. :P |
| 13:29.03 | Fisker | i once killed a weatherman |
| 13:29.07 | Lopeppeppy | I was counting on it for my drive home, I was just surprised it started so much earlier than anticipated. Noon is not 6am. Welcome to the frozen north, have some fries with that. |
| 13:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, do it again! |
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| 13:32.46 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 13:33.01 | Kalroth | hi elle |
| 13:33.32 | angayelle | just saw that haste in char panel will show full haste % instead of haste rating % |
| 13:33.39 | angayelle | in 4.0.6 |
| 13:33.46 | angayelle | pretty nice |
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| 13:36.44 | Fisker | fail angayelle |
| 13:37.42 | angayelle | how so ? The Haste display on the Character Info window © now shows the total haste percentage, rather than only haste from haste rating. that what i understand |
| 13:38.04 | Thunder_Child | angayelle: Fisker = bad troll |
| 13:38.07 | angayelle | that means hero/bl will be added to info when active |
| 13:38.39 | Fisker | naw Thunder_Child |
| 13:40.14 | zenzio | the change I'm most happy about is that the reputation pane will remember which nodes I have expanded |
| 13:41.18 | angayelle | pretty useful yes |
| 13:41.43 | zenzio | at least it make me less annoyed :-p I check the reputation pane all the time |
| 13:42.49 | angayelle | mmmh anyone know the name of the sound frame in atramedes fight ? |
| 13:43.00 | angayelle | can't find in xml files |
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| 14:13.55 | Lunessa | station! |
| 14:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi there! |
| 14:16.13 | |Jelly| | zomg |
| 14:16.14 | Lopeppeppy | Want some snows? I have a few. |
| 14:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | Inches. |
| 14:16.26 | Lopeppeppy | Inches going spare, right here. I share! |
| 14:17.49 | Kraps | The alleged plagiarism suit made by the estate of Adrian Jacobs against J.K. Rowling and publisher Scholastic, Inc. has been thrown out today by a U.S. Judge, stating "..the contrast between the total concept and feel of the works is so stark that any serious comparison of the two strains credulity." |
| 14:18.16 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i dont like snows :( |
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| 14:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Me neither, Kraps. My town thinks it's good to dump some dirt on it and walk away. After an inch or so, this gets... problematical in the extreme. I'm gonna buy them a friggin' shovel for Valentine's Day, I am. |
| 14:21.14 | airtonix | they should use flamethrowers |
| 14:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. Melt that crap down! Water flows down the drain, no more slippery stupids. |
| 14:21.42 | airtonix | powered by cows |
| 14:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | We don't have cows. |
| 14:22.02 | airtonix | BrownClean(tm) |
| 14:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | We keep manatees in the Kayaderosseras though. |
| 14:22.19 | airtonix | dogs would work too |
| 14:22.26 | airtonix | they fart just as much |
| 14:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | Too many Chinese restaurants around here. |
| 14:22.52 | airtonix | then i guess you'll just have to rise to the occasion |
| 14:22.59 | airtonix | Red Beans & Rice ! |
| 14:23.16 | airtonix | I love it because it tastes nice |
| 14:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, let loose the manatees of war! |
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| 14:29.59 | Lopeppeppy | Note to self, logging into work accounts with personal credentials is not effective. Sort of like using the car key on the mailbox. |
| 14:33.50 | |Jelly| | Anyone ever had an issue where 90% of the things in their bag says "Retrieving Item Information" ? |
| 14:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Usually right after a patch, or right before I was gonna crash out. |
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| 14:38.55 | |Jelly| | and I can't loot bosses |
| 14:39.03 | |Jelly| | ... got plenty of greens though |
| 14:39.16 | Lopeppeppy | You're bugged. Did you try logging in and out and stuffs? |
| 14:39.23 | |Jelly| | reloading |
| 14:39.29 | |Jelly| | didn't realize until I was in an instance. lol |
| 14:39.31 | |Jelly| | ... tanking :| |
| 14:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Suckage. |
| 14:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | Better than master-looting a boss. |
| 14:41.28 | |Jelly| | agreed :P |
| 14:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | "Oh, sorry guys. I seem to be bugged and can't loot this heroic boss. Raincheck?" |
| 14:46.28 | Lunessa | "Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code." from the updated PTR patch notes. |
| 14:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, that is absolutely not parsing. This cold-turkey caffeine thing bites it. |
| 14:48.48 | Lunessa | Peppy-dear, they're replacements for the AddOn kit. |
| 14:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | I am pondering where to put in a console command and I know I'm not thinking about it correctly. :) |
| 14:49.20 | alestane | Now if only the downloader would work so I could test them. |
| 14:49.30 | alestane | It's hidden, Peppy. |
| 14:49.58 | alestane | You have to run the game with the -console switch in your shortcut, then hit ` to open the sekrit typing place. |
| 14:51.11 | airtonix | then you have to do the sekret dance |
| 14:52.02 | alestane | Unfortunately, my PTR installer just says "Unable to find streaming info for "Data/enUS/OldWorld-enUS.MPQ". (OpenRepackTarget::Validate)" |
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| 14:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | seekrit handshakes. You boys and your toys. :) |
| 14:55.28 | Thunder_Child | mmm...toys |
| 14:56.24 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, toys! |
| 14:57.20 | Kraps | theres a town called Ballston Spa? |
| 14:57.36 | Lunessa | is waiting to see Lopeppeppy do the 'sekrit' dance. |
| 14:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | Of course there is, Kraps. |
| 14:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you bring the chair to sit on, I'll do my best to entertain you. I can't promise I'm good at it, but I'm enthusiastic! |
| 14:58.31 | airtonix | faints |
| 14:58.37 | Lunessa | Enthusiasm makes up for lots Lopeppeppy. *nod*nod* |
| 14:58.41 | airtonix | <nosebleed/> |
| 14:58.41 | industrial | popcorns |
| 14:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I always try to believe, Lunessa. |
| 14:58.49 | industrial | airtonix: *minicle* |
| 14:58.53 | industrial | s/i/o/g |
| 14:58.58 | industrial | lal |
| 15:01.00 | |Jelly| | Relogging did it, BTW |
| 15:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, you were just bugged out for whatever funtastic computer-network-WoW-hate reason. *hug* |
| 15:03.58 | airtonix | xplanetFX is hawt |
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| 15:08.14 | airtonix | https://photos-6.dropbox.com/i/o/LNMNDZe7ju_4qxTG0k6ACcATnHdhTLJQb8I26qrC92U/180039/1294502400/2609b61 |
| 15:08.15 | mckenziemc | ~ping |
| 15:08.15 | purl | ~pong |
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| 15:08.45 | airtonix | now i just need to work out how to make it grab real cloud images every hour |
| 15:09.14 | Fisker | install windows |
| 15:09.24 | mckenziemc | uninstall Fisker |
| 15:09.36 | Fisker | not possible |
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| 15:09.49 | Fisker | i'm a rootkit of existence |
| 15:09.49 | airtonix | oh but it is my poppet |
| 15:09.56 | mckenziemc | uninstalls Fisker |
| 15:10.12 | airtonix | QUICK make a apparmor rule! |
| 15:10.45 | Fisker | it's still not possible to uninstall me |
| 15:10.59 | airtonix | hear that sound fisker ? |
| 15:11.06 | airtonix | that's the sound of |
| 15:11.12 | airtonix | inevitability |
| 15:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, did you just admit to being malware? |
| 15:11.17 | mckenziemc | well, considering it's not possible to (successfully) install you either |
| 15:11.41 | Fisker | rootkits are not nessecarily malware |
| 15:11.51 | airtonix | says sony |
| 15:11.54 | Kraps | "Glenn Beck dropped by New York's WOR radio station over poor ratings, replaced by Mike Gallagher" |
| 15:11.55 | Fisker | exactly |
| 15:15.02 | mckenziemc | fisker, you couldn't rootkit a linux system if it poked you in the eye! |
| 15:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | ho ho ho |
| 15:15.35 | mckenziemc | even* |
| 15:18.26 | airtonix | well it seems xplanetFX is already grabbing hourly cloud satellite images |
| 15:18.36 | airtonix | yay |
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| 15:24.13 | airtonix | http://joffie.swal.org/xplanet/ |
| 15:27.26 | Kraps | Khloe Kardashian |
| 15:27.32 | Kraps | is really tall |
| 15:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Has lovely hair too. |
| 15:31.35 | Fisker | can i disagree? |
| 15:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | If you like. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 15:33.45 | nevcairiel | 5ft 10 is really tall? well i suppose for a woman |
| 15:35.46 | Kraps | http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/01/06/gal_peoples_choice_kardashians.jpg |
| 15:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | The redhead is SO out of place in the brunette lineup. |
| 15:37.04 | Kalroth | mmmmmmm, redheads |
| 15:37.37 | Kraps | http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/22/gal_ama_03.jpg whaaaaaaaaat |
| 15:39.10 | industrial | She has a tail |
| 15:39.13 | Lopeppeppy | I think someone broke her dress. It looks fine from the front, the back is an unmitigated disaster. |
| 15:39.31 | Lopeppeppy | Kalroth, I'm a redhead, that one needs to get a better pack. |
| 15:46.03 | Lunessa | It might be okay without the bow and the train. |
| 15:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Probably. Those just... wreck her hind view, which is probably just as lovely as her frontpiece. |
| 15:47.50 | Lunessa | ... |
| 15:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | What? I can appreciate nice aesthetics, can't I? She's pretty. |
| 15:49.58 | Lunessa | No, that's not it at all. I just went to my happy place. |
| 15:52.01 | Kraps | http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/22/gal_ama_show_24.jpg |
| 15:52.11 | Fisker | she looks lesbian |
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| 15:52.38 | ChaosInc | so I have an issue maybe someone can help with |
| 15:53.40 | ChaosInc | local realm, name = strsplit(" - ", UIDropDownMenu_GetText(CFM_LoadBox)) is returning the realm string, but not name portion from "realm - name" |
| 15:54.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, happy is good! |
| 15:55.45 | airtonix | Fisker, i agree |
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| 16:15.43 | Lunessa | No sir, I don't care that you hold advanced degrees and get paid 3-5x what I do. You didn't read the directions and that's why it's not working. I've already made them large and red and easy to see, what the hell more do you want me to do? |
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| 16:16.11 | foxlit | PRINT THEM IN ALL CAPS. |
| 16:16.19 | foxlit | AND SURROUND THEM IN <BLINK> TAGS. |
| 16:16.30 | Lunessa | don't tempt me. |
| 16:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Fold them up all spikey corners and shove them.... |
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| 16:17.12 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:17.54 | Lunessa | I just had a guy tell me I "obviously don't understand the problem" so he "came to my office to show me" - and the problem was exactly what I told him it was over the phone. |
| 16:18.33 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 16:18.48 | Cruciformer | hello all these names I remember from teh past :) |
| 16:18.59 | Cairenn|afk | hi Cruciformer |
| 16:20.08 | Seerah | hihi |
| 16:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Cairenn. *huggle* |
| 16:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cruci. |
| 16:20.51 | alestane | curls up surrounded by redheads. |
| 16:21.41 | Cruciformer | <3 redheads, especially the Irish ones with that milky soft skin and gorgeous accent. |
| 16:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oops, not it, sadly. I'm a New England chickadee. |
| 16:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | Currently being buried under snow. *frownies* |
| 16:22.36 | Cruciformer | I guess I'd incur a wee bit o hate if I had to tell you its a very pleasant 24C down here in teh southern hemisphere? |
| 16:23.38 | alestane | My aunt in Adelaide was saying at Christmas that it was 34C out. |
| 16:23.56 | alestane | I thin kit was 34 where we were, too, but not Celsius. |
| 16:24.03 | Cruciformer | yeah here (Johannesburg) it was about 29C on Christmas day. |
| 16:24.26 | ProNihilist | I wonder if all this focus on Javascript performance in browsers will lead to Javascript being used as the scripting language for more and more games |
| 16:24.37 | Cruciformer | that was one of the weirdest parts of living in teh northern hemisphere for me - cold Christmases. |
| 16:24.45 | alestane | Lua support for browsers! |
| 16:25.16 | alestane | Whereas for us, of course, it's part of our expectations. |
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| 16:26.14 | Cruciformer | well its kinda weird down here. Of course during that season TV is riddled with Christmasy type movies, and they are ALL shot in teh northern hemisphere, so here we sit sweltering in teh heat watching pictures of snow. |
| 16:26.34 | Lopeppeppy | Turn up the AC? |
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| 16:27.06 | Cruciformer | that's rarely enough, we usually have to jump in teh pool. |
| 16:27.25 | Cruciformer | and ONE day my muscle memory will overcome my mistyping of "THE" all teh time. |
| 16:28.33 | Cairenn|afk | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:28.39 | Cruciformer | what $TZ is Shadowed in and is he here often? |
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| 16:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, why am I singing Tiffany songs? Please, get me out of the 80's! I'll put on legwarmers soon! And tease my hair! And buy a second-hand jean jacket! |
| 16:30.16 | Cairenn|afk | and this is a bad thing, why? |
| 16:30.32 | Cruciformer | yeah Im failing to see the problem here :) |
| 16:30.44 | Cruciformer | except for the tiffany songs bit |
| 16:31.03 | alestane | You'll look like that celeb photo you used for your profile pic back when. |
| 16:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | That was Tiffany, yuppers, alestane. |
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| 16:32.02 | alestane | puts on Nirvana, but only long enough to ease the transition forward. |
| 16:32.11 | Cruciformer | ProNihilist: do modern JS interpreters like v8 outperform Lua yet? |
| 16:32.33 | Cairenn|afk | although I do have to say, it'd be MUCH better if you were listening to Cyndi instead :p |
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| 16:32.50 | Cruciformer | Cairenn|afk: Depeche Mode ftw :) |
| 16:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Bowling for Soup! Preoccupied with 1985! Springsteen, Madonna, way before Nirvana. |
| 16:33.16 | Cruciformer | I love all DM but I have such special fond memories of 80's DM. |
| 16:33.27 | alestane | plays Enter the Haggis for Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:33.43 | ProNihilist | Cruciformer: I don't know, not really looked into the relative performance of Lua and Javascript, was merely an idle though |
| 16:33.56 | alestane | I can't listen to Depeche Mode for very long, but I still adore the Eurythmics. |
| 16:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | ETM can be good times, alestane. Down With the Ship. |
| 16:34.49 | Cairenn|afk | yay Annie! |
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| 16:37.52 | nevcairiel | mmm |
| 16:37.57 | nevcairiel | Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code. |
| 16:38.00 | nevcairiel | did you see that? |
| 16:38.07 | nevcairiel | who needs extracter tools anymore |
| 16:38.44 | foxlit | I need a working ptr client, though |
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| 16:39.07 | nevcairiel | yeah the stupid link is still dead |
| 16:39.12 | foxlit | This one complains about OldWorld-enGB.MPQ |
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| 16:39.34 | nevcairiel | did you try completly deleting all mpqs and letting it re-fetch them ? :P |
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| 16:40.18 | airtonix | top three words used in anime : amazing, sorry, what |
| 16:40.32 | foxlit | ~whaleslap nevcairiel |
| 16:40.32 | purl | ACTION beats nevcairiel upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:40.32 | alestane | foxlit, there's a thread on the PTR forum where bluspacecow details how to download a replacement installer tome that doesn't have that problem. |
| 16:40.47 | foxlit | alestane: and I'm guessing that'd be enUS. |
| 16:41.08 | alestane | No clue if it works on other locales. |
| 16:41.28 | nevcairiel | you wouldnt happen to have a link, would you |
| 16:41.59 | nevcairiel | oh i found it |
| 16:42.49 | nevcairiel | the fun fact is, the EU ptr installer is no where to be found to begin with |
| 16:43.03 | nevcairiel | link in account management goes to the media page |
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| 16:43.08 | foxlit | no, it doesn't :/ |
| 16:43.11 | foxlit | well. |
| 16:43.16 | foxlit | http://www.wow-europe.com/ptr/ |
| 16:43.34 | foxlit | That worked for me, but it's evidently the wrong installer. |
| 16:43.41 | nevcairiel | that goes to the media page |
| 16:43.56 | alestane | If you have the ability to edit the InstallerTome.MPQ, remove the OldWorld.mpq & OldWorld-enGB.MPQ entries from InstallerFileList.xml inside the tome file. |
| 16:43.58 | foxlit | Not for me. :) |
| 16:44.27 | Lunessa | wants lunch already. Can someone bring me a pastrami on sourdough, fritos and a salad? |
| 16:44.46 | Cruciformer | what type of salad? |
| 16:44.49 | nevcairiel | hm now it works |
| 16:44.50 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 16:45.18 | nevcairiel | it didnt a few minutes ago =/ |
| 16:45.20 | Lunessa | lettuce, tomato, onions, cucumbers, croutons, cheese and bacon bits. |
| 16:45.32 | Lopeppeppy | More water! |
| 16:45.36 | Cruciformer | ewww cucumber |
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| 16:45.54 | Cruciformer | other than that it sounds like a perfect lunch. Ill take one too. |
| 16:46.03 | Lunessa | Maybe some green bell pepper and celery too. |
| 16:46.15 | Cruciformer | ick ... you had it right the first time. |
| 16:46.36 | Cruciformer | maybe some spring onions though. |
| 16:46.37 | alestane | http://www.mediafire.com/?tenf55dgwylf58h for a pre-edited MPQ file for the installer. |
| 16:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone likes different crunchy bits. |
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| 16:48.38 | Cruciformer | cucumber isnt crunch its just wet and mushy and gross. |
| 16:48.46 | Cruciformer | *crunchy |
| 16:48.56 | alestane | It's not fresh then. |
| 16:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | Needs better cucumbers, IMO. |
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| 16:51.19 | foxlit | alestane: editing the file list worked. |
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| 16:55.00 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Yeah, you're not getting fresh cucumber if it's mushy. |
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| 16:55.29 | nevcairiel | seems to indeed work |
| 16:56.17 | Cruciformer | there's just something about the taste of it that doesn't gel with my pallete(sp?) |
| 16:56.18 | batbot | Cruciformer, pallet, pallets, pallet e, pallet-e. |
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| 17:02.36 | foxlit | "nevcairiel: Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code." |
| 17:02.43 | foxlit | Back to that now -- the goggles do nothing? :( |
| 17:02.55 | nevcairiel | i just read the patch notes |
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| 17:03.12 | nevcairiel | mine is still in the red phase now |
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| 17:04.26 | nevcairiel | also something is seriously eating up system resources, stupid launcher |
| 17:04.35 | alestane | Yeah, I was just testing that. There's a little hitch like the game is working before it returns to prompt, but no files are created that I can find. |
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| 17:19.05 | nevcairiel | yeah doesnt seem to work |
| 17:19.16 | nevcairiel | but its a nice idea to solve the damn issue with the export tool |
| 17:19.28 | alestane | Mac or PC, nevcairiel? |
| 17:19.33 | nevcairiel | PC |
| 17:19.43 | alestane | Did you run WoW as an administrator? |
| 17:19.48 | nevcairiel | i tried that, yea |
| 17:20.21 | Cruciformer | my pet peeve with teh new launcher is its silly timeout after downloading a patch. if an AV program "analyzes" the new executable and doesnt terminate in 5 seconds the launcher times out and re-downloads everything. very annoying. Why they added that timeout eludes me. |
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| 17:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | dances to the groove, baby. |
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| 18:09.02 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 18:09.04 | Lulia | Oh? |
| 18:09.13 | alestane | Not a dancing queen, though. Wrong decade. |
| 18:10.15 | sylvanaar_work | dig it |
| 18:10.17 | Lopeppeppy | I can be one if I want to be! I am a special snowflake! |
| 18:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | stomps her foot. |
| 18:10.30 | Lulia | hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 18:10.49 | Lulia | You're special to us |
| 18:11.04 | alestane | *laugh* I didn't think you'd want to be one, or I wouldn't have said. |
| 18:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks Lulia! |
| 18:12.13 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it's not your fault that you can't predict what a female fox wants. |
| 18:12.17 | alestane | pets Lopeppeppy. |
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| 18:12.26 | alestane | You vixen, you. |
| 18:14.13 | alestane | adores Lopeppeppy's foxiness. |
| 18:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | I am full of unpredictable! |
| 18:14.55 | Lopeppeppy | I will be snowed in all weekend, and forbidden to shovel. This is perilous. |
| 18:15.00 | Lulia | You're like a little treasure box of unpredictability |
| 18:15.09 | alestane | Forbidden by whom? |
| 18:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, Lulia, dating me is never boring. |
| 18:15.23 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, mayhap you are out of the Facebook habit the last few days? I updates you. |
| 18:15.32 | angayelle | this is an hint lulia |
| 18:15.46 | Lulia | I am confused |
| 18:15.51 | Lulia | >.> |
| 18:16.13 | sylvanaar_work | does the ptr installer not work universally, or just some people need to fix the mpq |
| 18:16.45 | Lopeppeppy | Lulia, ignore angayelle, that's a troll statement. :) No confusion! |
| 18:16.56 | angayelle | awwww |
| 18:17.38 | Lulia | I mean, I'd be hardpressed to say no to a woman who loves corsets. But I didn't get the feeling I was being seduced! :P |
| 18:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nah. Although my seductions usually are kinda straightforward like that. "May I seduce you? Okay, now that I have permission.... *pounce*" |
| 18:19.32 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 18:19.36 | alestane | sylvanaar_work: I don't know if it's working properly for anyone. |
| 18:20.13 | sylvanaar_work | how comical |
| 18:20.46 | alestane | I don't know that it's not, either, but it's hard to imagine how some people could be downloading the right one, and some people the broken one, from the same URL. |
| 18:20.57 | alestane | Assuming it is all from the same URL. |
| 18:20.59 | Valdarix|Work | Any ideas on what Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code will benefit? |
| 18:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | Penguins. |
| 18:21.28 | Lopeppeppy | it's all in aid of the penguins, who are also special snowflakes. |
| 18:21.38 | alestane | Once it is working, it will allow people to extract the most up-to-date versions of the interface files without a separate executable. |
| 18:21.53 | Lulia | Lopeppeppy: You brighten my day :) How's work? |
| 18:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's snowy out there, Lulia. Someone forgot to tell Ms. Nature that she's forbidden to make with the slippery until I get home safe. |
| 18:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | I am not pleased with her special snowflakes all over my roadways and highways. |
| 18:22.45 | alestane | lines the penguins up in ranks and leads them in a rendition of the "Prince of Peace" chorus from the Messiah. |
| 18:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | Snow out your way, or safe from the precipitation? |
| 18:23.11 | Valdarix|Work | alestane: Thanks |
| 18:24.19 | Lulia | We got hit pretty hard right after Christmas |
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| 18:28.51 | Lunessa | alestane: Get them to do Handel's "The Planets" and we'll take them on tour. |
| 18:29.06 | Lopeppeppy | Handle Plants vs. Zombies with penguins? Neat! |
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| 18:43.58 | Kraftman | is there upper limit on the number of calender events that can be created? |
| 18:44.33 | sylvanaar_work | 9000 ofc |
| 18:44.45 | Kraftman | its always 9000 :( |
| 18:44.52 | nevcairiel | it cannot be over 9000? |
| 18:45.13 | Kraftman | could the guild calender events be used to store data server side ? |
| 18:45.42 | Kraftman | by using dates that are too far in the future to matter |
| 18:45.48 | sylvanaar_work | sure |
| 18:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Why would you do that? I can't imagine the use, although I'm sure you have one in mind. |
| 18:46.57 | sylvanaar_work | yes do tell |
| 18:49.37 | Fisker | annoy people who don't have the addon with bogus calendar events |
| 18:49.38 | Fisker | :< |
| 18:49.55 | Kraftman | I've made guild management addon that adds a forum to the guild frame, tracks extras stats about guild members, and some other stuff. most data can be synced from player to player but it would be nice to be able to store some stuff server side, like which posts have been deleted, and a cut off point for age of posts, age of data, etc |
| 18:50.23 | Kraftman | most guild masters want to use thier guild info for guild info, and not for storing settings of an addon. |
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| 18:52.02 | airtonix | i propose a new outlandish number |
| 18:52.11 | airtonix | one that will make you gasp |
| 18:53.10 | airtonix | 34 |
| 19:02.42 | Lunessa | ... This is why people have guild web sites. |
| 19:03.05 | Lunessa | Anyway... lunch time. |
| 19:03.33 | airtonix | this is why eveonline uses webkit |
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| 19:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | this is why the chicken crossed the road |
| 19:06.49 | airtonix | the road will be upset |
| 19:07.01 | airtonix | no-one crosses the road and lives to tell the tale |
| 19:11.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wake up with a head in your bed? |
| 19:17.44 | Valdarix|Work | Kraftman: Could you use the guild bank comments tab? |
| 19:19.01 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: if you make him an offer he cant refuse |
| 19:20.02 | Kraftman | yeh could do, i guess its less used than guild info, but some people still might want to use it |
| 19:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Here's an axe. |
| 19:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | Can you refuse? |
| 19:22.00 | Valdarix|Work | Kraftman : This is true, if I recall each tab has its own comments tab, surely anyone who would make use of your addon could sacrafice 1 comments tab :-) |
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| 19:32.06 | Kraftman | Valdarix|Home: it would rely on people with the addon going to the guild bank to retrieve the info though |
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| 19:51.40 | Shirik | lmao |
| 19:51.43 | Shirik | http://stats.grok.se/en/201101/List_of_common_misconceptions |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik | thanks xkcd |
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| 19:52.36 | Lopeppeppy | xkcd rocks |
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| 19:53.26 | foxlit | "the android loop or the HURD loop" |
| 19:53.50 | foxlit | I think it called android a "mass of kludges and spaghetti code" |
| 19:54.29 | nevcairiel | Well i don't follow hurd at all, so i wouldnt know |
| 19:58.24 | sylvanaar_work | what is hurd |
| 20:00.01 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw16709.jpg |
| 20:00.27 | Kraps | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/01/06/walker-digital-to-sue-activision-blizzard |
| 20:01.32 | Kraps | are you kidding me? |
| 20:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | Someone's gotta be a joker. |
| 20:02.07 | wereHamster | what does a red star next to the name mean in wowinterface.com? |
| 20:02.12 | wereHamster | addon name |
| 20:02.25 | foxlit | some degree of popularity |
| 20:02.34 | wereHamster | 'some' :) |
| 20:03.23 | foxlit | fine, fine. |
| 20:03.24 | foxlit | 5k downloads. |
| 20:04.15 | wereHamster | no. I'm just surprised that the addon is popular at all |
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| 20:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes the popular vote is mystifying. |
| 20:07.22 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5727832/womens-tears-are-a-real-turn+off |
| 20:07.23 | KarlKFI | it's not even a vote, neh. it's downloads |
| 20:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, we've known that for a long time. I love when science catches up. :) |
| 20:07.56 | KarlKFI | i trimmed down my addons byt letting all the non-popular ones slowly become outdated and useless |
| 20:08.28 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: it's science! |
| 20:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | Slow. Boring. Science. |
| 20:08.52 | Lopeppeppy | I do science much faster! |
| 20:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | "Excuse me, I'm going to go pout for a while in the living room. It's not attractive, I'll come back when I'm human again." |
| 20:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | may be a Highly Unusual Rational Creature. Take pictures, folks, they're not often seen in the wild. |
| 20:11.55 | olafski | shirik: I read it too after reading xkcd :D great article |
| 20:12.23 | airtonix | i just registered this patent |
| 20:12.27 | airtonix | a system for atomising planets and other orbital bodies through the use of laser beam systems |
| 20:12.34 | olafski | empire did it |
| 20:13.20 | Lunessa | Does this mean you're finally going to update Fluid Frames? |
| 20:13.35 | KarlKFI | works for me! |
| 20:13.49 | Lunessa | hacked his own copy too. |
| 20:14.08 | Valdarix|Work | What kind of options would be attractive in a custom game laucner? Currently have added quick access to delete wtf, clear cache, and delete entire interface folder. Option to launch directly or fire the game launcher for patches and working on password storage with AES encryption for storage that will copy to clipboard for pasting your password. Option to switch between users |
| 20:14.16 | airtonix | a system for announcing functionality on a personal level despite others claims |
| 20:14.40 | nevcairiel | the first feature set sounds like something they already have, called the repair tool |
| 20:14.40 | airtonix | WorksForMe(tm)(r) |
| 20:15.13 | Lopeppeppy | I would never use a game launcher... talk about "hey, here's my password!" |
| 20:15.23 | Lunessa | An exciting new API for dealing with user-support requests. Just install new WorksForMe and never be bothered with user help requests again! |
| 20:15.25 | airtonix | waits for Lopeppeppys password |
| 20:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, please include the Reboot and Call Back API as well? |
| 20:15.53 | Kraps | Shirik: how the hell is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions encyclopedic? |
| 20:15.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: No. |
| 20:16.07 | Lunessa | Those are a different company. |
| 20:16.09 | Shirik | don't ask me |
| 20:16.23 | airtonix | theres a patent for that |
| 20:16.39 | KarlKFI | there was something i was gonna do with FLuidFrames but then forgot and it got pushed under the pile |
| 20:16.41 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, darn it, those are my favorite calls. Oh well. |
| 20:16.49 | KarlKFI | then i played through Assassins Creed 2 |
| 20:16.54 | airtonix | http://www.walkerdigital.com/about_jw.htm |
| 20:17.00 | Kraps | Shirik: reported for not knowing policy |
| 20:17.01 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:17.03 | sylvanaar_work | "Orthodox Jews do not have sex through a hole in a sheet" |
| 20:17.07 | sylvanaar_work | thats so random |
| 20:17.22 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: And there was that whole Hawaii/Wedding thingy? |
| 20:17.27 | Kraps | sylvanaar_work: thats a real myth |
| 20:17.32 | KarlKFI | yeah little things liek that |
| 20:17.44 | sylvanaar_work | is it, it sounds like a bad joke |
| 20:18.03 | Valdarix|Work | Lopeppeppy: custome launche is for myself and family/friends. I would never put it out for general use due to security concerns. Just seeing if anyone could think of features that would be cool to have |
| 20:18.50 | KarlKFI | the problem with trying to allow people to move "everythign" is that there's so many damn edgecases |
| 20:19.56 | Kraps | i should add "evolution/creationism is not real" |
| 20:20.12 | KarlKFI | the dude who did the patch actually like rearanged half my files |
| 20:20.42 | KarlKFI | not that i'm complaining, they're prolly better now, but i think i got lost when i went to look into it |
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| 20:27.22 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Hey, it works for me, though I did once accidentally move the tooltip background to a different place than the rest of the tooltip. |
| 20:27.37 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 20:27.39 | KarlKFI | dont do that |
| 20:27.58 | Lunessa | No kidding. |
| 20:28.01 | airtonix | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ibm-patents-the-patent,11868.html |
| 20:28.06 | mckenziemc | just don't try that with your head. it might not end well |
| 20:28.11 | KarlKFI | FluidFrames gives you enough rope to move shit you really shouldnt move |
| 20:28.44 | Lunessa | It's pretty handy though for doing things like repositioning the default player and target frame. |
| 20:29.07 | KarlKFI | that's pretty standard, ya |
| 20:29.30 | KarlKFI | and something i usually have done at home so it's fairly well tested |
| 20:29.37 | KarlKFI | or was when i was raiding a year ago |
| 20:29.45 | Lunessa | And moving things to the side so it's out of the way for a second. |
| 20:29.56 | KarlKFI | that's the problem with testing! you have to keep doing it -_- |
| 20:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | and like, make changes based on the testing! |
| 20:30.56 | Lunessa | And then wonder why there's this odd problem for a strange doodad that should just work but turns out is /special/. |
| 20:31.28 | Lopeppeppy | Special snowflake! |
| 20:31.33 | Lunessa | And then test some more. |
| 20:31.39 | KarlKFI | blizzard loves making special crap |
| 20:31.44 | Lunessa | And then listen to tons of user complaints. |
| 20:31.57 | KarlKFI | like the damn fps that it just a string with no frame |
| 20:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | *sings* Where the strings have no frame... oh-oooh! Where the strings have no frame! |
| 20:33.29 | Lunessa | But between FluidFrames and Goose I can pretty much mangle the default ui into working very well for me. |
| 20:33.40 | Lopeppeppy | Goose. *grin* |
| 20:34.13 | Lunessa | I should write two addons. Call one Tonic and the other Gin. Just so I can tell people to install Gin and Tonic. |
| 20:34.54 | KarlKFI | or jsut make one called GinAndTonic |
| 20:35.23 | KarlKFI | make it a screen overlay that sloshes around like those drunk driving commercials with the cars full of booze |
| 20:35.45 | Lunessa | Then make another called LemonWedge? |
| 20:35.56 | Lopeppeppy | Djin 'n Tunics. |
| 20:36.21 | KarlKFI | Lemon Wedges are lame. they're garnishes you're not sposed to eat.... i prefer eating real lemons |
| 20:36.47 | Lopeppeppy | No! Parsley just for looks, Zak! |
| 20:37.02 | KarlKFI | i eat parsley |
| 20:37.35 | Lunessa | He does too. |
| 20:38.42 | Lopeppeppy | Zak eats it all the time, silly Zak. |
| 20:39.16 | KarlKFI | i eat those letus leaves under the rice too |
| 20:39.32 | Lopeppeppy | You're a bottomless pit, it all goes in the legs. |
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| 20:39.51 | KarlKFI | used too. now i'm cultivating my belly |
| 20:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds like a speech-pattern for "married poundage" ? |
| 20:41.08 | KarlKFI | that sounds like a euphemism for sex |
| 20:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh baby. Please. |
| 20:42.12 | KarlKFI | guess i can just reupload the corrected FluidFrames, since i'm level 30 and it hasnt exploded yet |
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| 20:43.38 | smcn | hmm |
| 20:44.02 | TC-Work | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4_tECDK4j8 needs more clouds though |
| 20:44.23 | TC-Work | the really sad part is that on the other side of the building is a much better series of clouds |
| 20:44.34 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 20:47.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, up to 4" in my town, excellent. *headdesk* |
| 20:47.26 | alestane | And is anyone bothering to clear this? |
| 20:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | No idea, I'm watching the weather stations. I have yet to see what I will be confronted with when I hit the roads in half an hour or so. |
| 20:48.21 | KarlKFI | dolby: can we get a "My AddOn List" link put into the username dropdown menu? |
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| 20:48.54 | foxlit | KarlKFI: it's already in "Author", though dunno |
| 20:49.04 | KarlKFI | so it is |
| 20:49.05 | KarlKFI | nm then |
| 20:50.33 | KarlKFI | ok then in the username menu can we change Forum Posts and AddonComments to be prefixed with "My" |
| 20:50.41 | KarlKFI | cause that's confusing when you're an author |
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| 20:51.22 | KarlKFI | maybe it's just me |
| 20:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | Going home, wish me luck!! |
| 20:55.49 | KarlKFI | ok ho about this... is i go to generate a zip and then close the window before confirming.... how do i nuke that zip so that i can regenerate it? |
| 20:55.59 | KarlKFI | because it wont let me update any more :( |
| 20:57.16 | KarlKFI | inspects the form on another addon and fakes a url request to cancel and delete the zip |
| 20:58.47 | Lunessa | hax! |
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| 20:59.12 | KarlKFI | i win! |
| 20:59.55 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowinterface.com/svn.php?&p=push&id=<transaction or addon id or something>&do=choose&action=Cancel+and+Delete |
| 21:00.41 | KarlKFI | :( "Sorry, a file is already being generated for this SVN." |
| 21:00.57 | KarlKFI | i fail |
| 21:01.11 | KarlKFI | maybe it has to be PUSH instead of GET |
| 21:01.15 | KarlKFI | POST* |
| 21:04.24 | KarlKFI | ah Reset Lockout |
| 21:04.45 | KarlKFI | There's a button for that! |
| 21:05.11 | KarlKFI | There Lunessa, just for you |
| 21:05.18 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7080-FluidFrames.html |
| 21:05.48 | tlund | nevcairiel: according to the comments for HandyNotes_Guild, it needs to get re-packaged with the latest libs, any chance of that happening? :) |
| 21:06.15 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: You are a gentleman and a scholar. I'll buy you Del Taco next time in in Anaheim. |
| 21:06.35 | KarlKFI | yay tacos! |
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| 21:15.23 | Amarande | wonders if the bug report I put in on the lifegiving seeds has been noted yet. :S |
| 21:16.58 | Lunessa | What, the Peacebloom >title< display thing? |
| 21:18.13 | Lunessa | Every time I use one on my mage, Kamdis starts laughing cause I become Peacebloom the Kingslayer. |
| 21:18.15 | Amarande | Lunessa: more to do with trading |
| 21:18.26 | Amarande | I can put them in a trade window, they apparently can be auctioned as Auctioneer has seen a number of them |
| 21:18.33 | Amarande | but you can't mail them, it says "can't mail items with a limited duration" |
| 21:18.52 | Amarande | even though they don't *have* a duration *shrug* |
| 21:18.59 | zenzelezz | well, herbs do have limited duration in reality |
| 21:19.17 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah and that meat from LK should be making me sick by now |
| 21:19.18 | Amarande | but ... LOL |
| 21:19.34 | Amarande | the point is, it can be traded, it can be auctioned (which you normally *can't* do with limited duration items), but it can't be mailed and gives that error, which appears to be a bug. |
| 21:20.29 | tlund | nevcairiel: that solved my error at login :) |
| 21:20.35 | tlund | nevcairiel: thanks! |
| 21:20.38 | nevcairiel | of course it did |
| 21:24.52 | Dagmar | What about Cookie's meat? |
| 21:25.10 | Dagmar | I wanna know how he manages to produce good food and nasty food in the same stew pot |
| 21:25.21 | Dagmar | Oh and healer LFD tool pwns |
| 21:26.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Limited duration items can't be mailed because we were naughty with them in the mail in the past. |
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| 21:27.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: the point is it doesn't have a limited duration, but when you try to mail it it claims it does |
| 21:28.00 | Amarande | made even stranger by the fact that they apparently can be auctioned |
| 21:28.06 | Amarande | (the lifegiving seeds, that is) |
| 21:28.13 | Amarande | while normally, limited duration items can't be auctioned either |
| 21:28.35 | Amarande | Speaking of naughty, wonder how long before they'll make limited duration items start countdown on *spawn/view* rather than loot, too |
| 21:28.59 | Amarande | to deal with those of us who keep an extra broom in the pumpkin, or kill the first four mobs for To Kill with Purpose without looting in order to get more time :) |
| 21:29.23 | olafski | you exploiter! |
| 21:29.38 | olafski | horrible, not looting the first 4 mobs! |
| 21:30.04 | Amarande | olafski: heh, I do it mostly so I can take the last three more slowly, especially since that area has annoying ghosts that call for help if you aren't really careful |
| 21:30.33 | olafski | and it's such a hard area nowadays |
| 21:30.41 | Amarande | force of habit, mainly |
| 21:30.49 | Amarande | since I used to quest EPL on every character back when it was a 60 area, too |
| 21:31.25 | olafski | me too |
| 21:31.26 | olafski | great area |
| 21:32.08 | Amarande | thankfully they also hotfixed that one bug so I don't have to worry about it next character |
| 21:32.16 | Amarande | It was a bit nerve wracking questing parts of EPL on the mage. |
| 21:33.44 | olafski | oh.. that one oO |
| 21:34.36 | Amarande | Yeah, the bug level one |
| 21:34.47 | Amarande | pretty much had to be sure on the mage to kill all nerubians before they can summon |
| 21:35.05 | olafski | haven't noticed anything |
| 21:35.06 | Amarande | I'm not sure how that was missed, though I guess it's the sort that's not *too* hard to miss |
| 21:35.26 | Amarande | olafski: when 4.0.3a was new, they forgot to adjust down the level of the summoned scarabs along with the nerubians |
| 21:35.33 | Amarande | so you had level 40 nerubians that summoned level 55 adds |
| 21:36.01 | Amarande | I guess it was easy to miss because I imagine most PTR testers probably used 80s |
| 21:36.20 | jnwhiteh | Battle for Gilneas City broken? |
| 21:36.34 | Amarande | Also, only certain classes would really have had the biggest issues with it. Like ... mages. Heh. |
| 21:36.53 | olafski | jnwhiteh: not when I did it |
| 21:37.03 | jnwhiteh | olafski: we have the quest turn-in arrow |
| 21:37.05 | olafski | jnwhiteh: actually finding the guy you have to talk to to start it was kinda weird :P |
| 21:37.06 | jnwhiteh | but no one is there |
| 21:37.09 | olafski | hmm |
| 21:37.16 | olafski | after you kill sylvanas? |
| 21:37.17 | Amarande | The bugs may have been much higher level, but they really don't *hit* that hard compared to normal EPL mobs, and I noticed that even the NPC companions I had sometimes there could often kill a single scarab (since they also have so little HP) |
| 21:37.22 | olafski | or drive her off I forgot |
| 21:37.33 | Amarande | I'm guessing that melee classes probably could have killed the 15-levels-higher bugs without *too* much trouble |
| 21:37.47 | Amarande | Casters were screwed because the caster hit decay is so much faster |
| 21:37.51 | olafski | amarande: I leveled there on my hunter, didn't notice anything :P |
| 21:38.05 | Amarande | speaking of which, what was the balance reason for casters to have a faster hit decay ramp on higher level mobs than physicals? |
| 21:38.27 | Amarande | it's been the case with BC, but I'm not exactly sure why they didn't just use the same hit chance drop with level for all attacks |
| 21:38.51 | Amarande | If anything, it would seem better balance to decay physical faster, since physical hits often don't even have a cost or casting time |
| 21:39.32 | olafski | I'm going to guess that spells can't be dodged/parried? |
| 21:41.25 | Amarande | olafski: that might be the case |
| 21:41.50 | Amarande | seeing as melee doesn't get off THAT easy, they essentially have two hit ratings they need since they need expertise, too, and I think the *total* rating isn't too far off the spell hit cap |
| 21:42.01 | Amarande | otoh, hunters get to run away with the bank :P |
| 21:42.17 | Amarande | since they get the easy hit cap of melee *and* ranged attacks can't be parried that I know of :P |
| 21:42.21 | Dagmar | Cry me a river |
| 21:42.38 | Dagmar | How much does it hurt someone if they aren't expertise capped? |
| 21:42.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: in LK, it was actually important |
| 21:43.06 | Dagmar | How much |
| 21:43.21 | Amarande | hmm, was usually recommended for DKs to cap at least |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | "Recommended" yes. Not the end of the world if they're not there. |
| 21:43.43 | Amarande | but that was also probably partly because I was a dual wield build, and dual wield builds can use all the not-not-hitting help they can get. |
| 21:44.06 | Amarande | it seems not to be so much so in Cata, but that's partially because ratings, despite the fact that you need more, appear to be losing their value greatly now |
| 21:44.09 | Dagmar | afaik they get to aim for 17% anyway |
| 21:44.37 | Amarande | Honestly, I think they actually do need to revamp the rating system completely for the next expansion after Cata if they want some stuff (especially most of the gems in the game) to actually have any importance by then |
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| 21:45.07 | Dagmar | You have *got* to get over this binary thinking, man |
| 21:45.22 | Amarande | Even now, rating decay has gotten to the point where even hit before cap is often not as good as simply pumping the primary stat, because the primary stat gives as much DPS per as it always did, while each point of rating has gotten less and less valuable every expac. |
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| 21:45.49 | Amarande | I think there was actually a point where classes had to make choices between primary and secondary stats. :) |
| 21:46.55 | Dagmar | That has been the case for a long while |
| 21:46.59 | Amarande | Dagmar, have you looked at stat weight tables for cata? |
| 21:47.09 | Dagmar | You didn't notice because you were too busy going "OMG YOU MUST REACH HIT CAP OR WORLD ENDS!" |
| 21:47.26 | Dagmar | Dude I've been doing the math to figure them out on my hunter |
| 21:47.34 | Dagmar | This is why I'm stacking Haste over Mastery |
| 21:47.38 | Dagmar | More bang for buck |
| 21:47.41 | Amarande | well, fwiw, in BC and LK, it generally was the case that hit before cap was more valuable than any other stat, often including primaries |
| 21:47.53 | Dagmar | Not for BM hunters |
| 21:48.15 | Lunessa | It is for me and an enhancement shaman. Dual-wield and spells. Oy. |
| 21:48.34 | Lunessa | s/and/as |
| 21:48.37 | Dagmar | It was almost universally the case that everyone hollered that hit was the most important stat, period |
| 21:49.15 | Dagmar | ...but with the availability of points on gear, a BM hunter could pretty much *ignore* hit rating, because the +attack power gear had _far more oomph_ to it |
| 21:49.30 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter if you miss 3% of the time if you hit 8% harder as a result |
| 21:49.35 | Lunessa | Hit is only valuable to me up to the hit cap for spells. Then expertise. Then haste. All my gear comes with loads of agility anyway. |
| 21:49.41 | Dagmar | (so long as you're not taunting that is) |
| 21:49.43 | Amarande | Lunessa: speaking of enhancement shamans, you know what hell is? |
| 21:49.57 | Amarande | Hell is heroic Stonecore with an unholy DK, an enhancement shaman, and a ret pally as your DPS. :D |
| 21:50.05 | Lunessa | Trying to hit 17% spell hit in less than level 359 gear? |
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| 21:50.22 | Dagmar | Lunessa: hahah I'm not even trying on my warlock |
| 21:50.27 | Amarande | I'd go almost as far as to say you *can't* beat Corborus with that composition. |
| 21:50.42 | Dagmar | It doesn't seem rationally possible to reach that |
| 21:50.53 | Amarande | That was a guild group, and we ended up giving up and going to Deadmines, where, despite it often being considered a harder heroic, we had no real problems at all apart from failing at frogger. |
| 21:51.09 | Dagmar | I've got gems and reforged the crap out of my 'lock and unless I sprout extra limbs to wear more gear with, it just ain't happenin. Heh |
| 21:51.39 | Lunessa | Amarande: We did it with a furry warrior, ret paladin and an enhancement shaman as DPS> |
| 21:51.51 | Amarande | Lunessa: wow, that must have made the healer real happy |
| 21:52.06 | Lunessa | I had to mute him on vent until he calmed down. |
| 21:52.13 | Amarande | And one thing that we do have in guild is undergeared healers, which means that we do have to shy away from some particular situations right now |
| 21:52.14 | Dagmar | haahahah |
| 21:52.36 | Amarande | particularly, our priests mainly went Shadow for cata, and so aren't primary-healer geared even if they have the dual spec |
| 21:52.55 | Lunessa | He called me every name in the book, and if he weren't a friend of many, many years, I'd have kicked him so fast his head would spin off. |
| 21:54.04 | Lunessa | But we did manage to 1-shot it. |
| 21:54.36 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, if we had an *uber* healer we might have managed it |
| 21:54.44 | Amarande | that's probably about as hard as a 5-man battle can get within the bounds of possibility, though |
| 21:55.15 | Amarande | our group was a little *better* really, and we still couldn't entertain the idea of actually downing Corb with our current gear. |
| 21:55.23 | Lunessa | I have always said that there are only two kinds of healers in WoW, grumpy ones, and those who have re-rolled as DPS classes. |
| 21:55.30 | Amarande | (since we at least had my DnD as a ranged AoE ... while yours had basically none) |
| 21:55.47 | Amarande | I haven't minded healing, though I also haven't really leveled a healer past the early 70s |
| 21:56.07 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:56.14 | Amarande | mainly because I always find it awkward to solo quest on a priest, and there's only so many times in a row you can do Utgarde Keep before you get bored to death. |
| 21:58.44 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:59.51 | airtonix | < grumpy healer |
| 22:00.06 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:00.21 | airtonix | i healed you fisker |
| 22:00.41 | Fisker | you watched me live? |
| 22:00.58 | airtonix | i healed you of your addictions |
| 22:01.00 | Lunessa | Haha... "I need to order a new conference phone for my depart." "Sure, prices are on our web page." 5 minutes later... "$459? WHAT THE HELL?! IS THE PHONE COVERED IN GOLD? |
| 22:01.17 | Lunessa | "No sir, then it woulf be $4,590." |
| 22:01.27 | Fisker | cheap Lunessa |
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| 22:01.44 | airtonix | for that price you could setup a decent asterix server |
| 22:01.53 | airtonix | and go to town on the romans |
| 22:02.03 | Lunessa | airtonix: And have roast boar. |
| 22:02.36 | Lunessa | But I'm not moving any menhirs. |
| 22:02.39 | airtonix | i like how the druid in that village is called "get a fix" |
| 22:02.46 | airtonix | hoho |
| 22:03.00 | airtonix | so basically asterix is a methhead |
| 22:03.03 | Lunessa | Depends on the translation, but yeah. |
| 22:03.46 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm going home. Ciao tutti. |
| 22:04.19 | Fisker | i'm very sick airtonix |
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| 22:07.11 | Cide | hello peoples! |
| 22:07.24 | Fisker | Cide |
| 22:07.27 | Fisker | i'm very sick |
| 22:08.20 | Cide | what happen? |
| 22:08.44 | Amarande | Fisker, you're not supposed to eat from the suspicious grain crates in Old Stratholme |
| 22:08.51 | Cide | did somebody set you up the bomb? |
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| 22:17.13 | olafski | amarande: when I make a group I just ask in guild chat for ranged dps :P |
| 22:19.39 | Amarande | olafski: you don't just need ranged DPS capability is the problem with Corborus, though |
| 22:19.46 | Amarande | you need ranged DPS with good enough AoE |
| 22:19.53 | olafski | oh.. never noticed what happens on that boss |
| 22:20.09 | Amarande | he summons a huge horde of adds that apparently explode if they get in melee with someone (or if they die in melee, not sure which) |
| 22:20.30 | olafski | ah.. that stuff I cleave all the time |
| 22:21.06 | Amarande | So the usual unholy AoE's except for DnD are useless, because you'd have to get close to too many of them, and so are ret pally AoE's. |
| 22:23.55 | olafski | ackis: http://www.computerbild.de/gutscheinaktionen/cbs-xbox-Banshee-Avatar-5828278.html?action=register <-- halo banshee avatar item, enter email address and receive code |
| 22:24.10 | olafski | ackis: I used http://mailcatch.com for mail addy btw ;) |
| 22:24.26 | olafski | heart strike wins amarande! |
| 22:24.32 | olafski | though it doesn't really aoe more than 2 targets :P |
| 22:25.48 | Amarande | olafski: you only have that as tank spec :blink |
| 22:26.30 | olafski | yes :P |
| 22:29.38 | airtonix | i blinked |
| 22:32.03 | Arrowmaster | olafski: next time highlight me too |
| 22:37.27 | foxlit | more night elf junk, more, more! |
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| 22:42.23 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Happy New Year! |
| 22:42.27 | foxlit | Not from the "zomg sky is falling development is doomed!" |
| 22:42.33 | KarlKFI | was responding to Amarande |
| 22:42.56 | foxlit | Ah, sorry, ignoring Amarande. |
| 22:44.09 | foxlit | There's an app that basically consists of a giant form with two textboxes: paste HTML into the left and it'll display TIDY output in the right. |
| 22:44.49 | olafski | sounds useful |
| 22:45.28 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:45.29 | KarlKFI | people will try to make easy money off the hype and buying frenzy |
| 22:45.44 | KarlKFI | the real question is what it's gonna do to prices |
| 22:45.51 | foxlit | KarlKFI: problem is, if the thing becomes flooded with this stuff, it loses its usefulness as a store :( |
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| 22:47.03 | KarlKFI | i dont really see that as a problem. i think the bigger issue is the store's reliance on top x lists and latest lists to generate advertizing |
| 22:47.50 | KarlKFI | top x lists tend to lower prices in an attempt to gain popularity in order to get on the list to gmake money |
| 22:48.04 | olafski | I could do with an app that lets me take a photograph of a differential equation and then solves it for me |
| 22:48.07 | KarlKFI | what they reall need is better ways to find things |
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| 22:48.29 | zenzelezz | to gmake money? You've been compiling too much |
| 22:48.32 | olafski | karlkfi: "gmake money" sounded like the latest google app |
| 22:48.33 | olafski | :D |
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| 22:49.47 | foxlit | olafski: TeX plugin that verifies that your equations are correct? |
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| 22:50.15 | KarlKFI | anyway, i dont think the store itself is a problem, i think it's great. but i think apple has a long way to go to catch up in figuring out how to attract sales and actually find things you might like. Amazon and Steam are way ahead in their store front concepts |
| 22:50.31 | Arrowmaster | imho the store is the problem |
| 22:51.08 | KarlKFI | gonna back that up? |
| 22:52.45 | Arrowmaster | one of the things people cite in the linux vs windows/macosx debate is that linux distros have a central repository for software that makes it so easy to find and keep software updated, using a store model defeats all the advantages to having stuff centrally |
| 22:53.05 | KarlKFI | why's that? cause it's not free? |
| 22:53.21 | Arrowmaster | the only people that benefit from stuff like the apple store are the developers gaming the system |
| 22:53.22 | KarlKFI | doesnt the app store allow free apps like the iOS store? |
| 22:53.38 | KarlKFI | that's not true |
| 22:54.09 | Arrowmaster | well there is a big different in how they operate too |
| 22:54.12 | KarlKFI | it lowers the barrier to entry in distribution, but not advertizing |
| 22:54.38 | foxlit | "makes it so easy to ... keep software updated" << in general, this is not a problem with OS X applications to begin with |
| 22:55.13 | Arrowmaster | in the apple store any developer that wants to can post any quality of application flooding the store making it hard to find quality stuff |
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| 22:55.27 | KarlKFI | beats having to code up an updater by yourself or include a library to do it |
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| 22:56.09 | Arrowmaster | in linux distros its not the developers that add stuff but the distro maintainers that pick what they think users will find useful and of sufficient quality |
| 22:56.21 | foxlit | I'm not sure what's actually going on behind the scenes, but I've found that most applications have a rather consistent approach to updating so there probably is a fair deal of this stuff built-in somewhere. |
| 22:56.42 | KarlKFI | there are common libraries that do it |
| 22:56.45 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, except for things like launchpad |
| 22:56.47 | KarlKFI | but they're not apple's |
| 22:56.56 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: you mean ubuntu PPAs? |
| 22:57.02 | airtonix | yes |
| 22:57.05 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: those are different |
| 22:57.18 | airtonix | it's still a centrally acessible repo |
| 22:57.23 | Arrowmaster | you have to find the PPA and add it to your system first |
| 22:57.27 | KarlKFI | So you prefer a MORE restrictive store model? |
| 22:57.31 | airtonix | yppa-manager |
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| 22:58.42 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: otoh, Apple has shown a tendency to be restrictive about what you can run on its platforms that have a store model (it remains to be seen if they will try to lock down Mac OS, hopefully not) |
| 22:58.47 | airtonix | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/y-ppa-manager-easily-search-add-remove.html |
| 22:58.51 | Amarande | while distro maintainers don't care if you download a tarball elsewhere :) |
| 22:58.55 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: no im saying the store model promotes developers to flood the store while a central repo model maintained by volunteers other than the app developers promotes inclusion of generally better software |
| 22:59.09 | KarlKFI | if apple wanted to be stickler about quality they'd mandate following of the HIG |
| 22:59.20 | KarlKFI | but then of course they'd have to reject their own apps |
| 22:59.26 | KarlKFI | like itunes |
| 22:59.33 | airtonix | hey doctrines can be bent fo the right price gee! |
| 22:59.45 | airtonix | vis rome |
| 23:00.05 | KarlKFI | http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com/ |
| 23:00.13 | airtonix | lol |
| 23:02.49 | KarlKFI | think of i this way. Amazon has TONS of crap on it. Amazon doesn't filter what you can sell once you set up a market place. But have you ever had a problem finding what you were looking for or browsing and lookign at what was availible or being introduced to new things similar to what you like? |
| 23:03.39 | KarlKFI | this isn't because amazon is restrictive about who can sell what. it's because their store front is better |
| 23:03.46 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 23:04.11 | Fisker | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:04.18 | KarlKFI | and apple's store front is crappy |
| 23:04.51 | KarlKFI | because they dont have any competition yet |
| 23:05.06 | Arrowmaster | and the app market is constantly fluctuating |
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| 23:06.28 | Arrowmaster | if you can get a little bit of news for your app word can spread about it rapidly and you may end up on one of the top lists for a week, then people will get over it and youll drop down to nowhere again |
| 23:06.50 | Arrowmaster | but just being on that top list for a week could generate you a good amount of profit |
| 23:06.57 | KarlKFI | right, the top x lists as the only way to find good apps sucks ass |
| 23:07.01 | Amarande | Karl: this is some sort of application built into OSX now I'm guessing, kinda like how Steam does for games, rather than simply a site? |
| 23:07.04 | Arrowmaster | so people are constantly trying to do just that |
| 23:07.24 | KarlKFI | it's a downloadable store app like steam, yes Amarande |
| 23:07.38 | Amarande | yeah, then their only competition would probably be steam right now, and that only for games |
| 23:07.43 | KarlKFI | right |
| 23:08.14 | KarlKFI | and while MS is making a windows equivelent that's still not direct competition |
| 23:08.41 | Arrowmaster | removing the top lists would be a good first step in removing a large part of the fluctuation in the app market |
| 23:09.03 | KarlKFI | I'm glad to see Amazon making it's own android app store tho. that should improve store fronts |
| 23:09.30 | Arrowmaster | although steam does have a top list but i dont think it has nearly the impact that it does on apples stores |
| 23:09.40 | Amarande | I'm guessing they might not lock down the OSX store after the issues I heard they had with the iPhone store lately, though |
| 23:09.44 | KarlKFI | while you may not buy a computer and OS for jsut the app store, for phones it's pretty important |
| 23:10.10 | Amarande | I read some news that Apple was getting in some sort of trouble because of privacy issues with iPhone apps (not made by Apple), which apparently must have to do with them having some responsibility due to the fact that they have to approve apps |
| 23:10.14 | KarlKFI | Arrowmaster: Steam Sales are a large motivator of sales, followed byt he top x lists |
| 23:10.51 | KarlKFI | but Steam has other sales motivators too, like those pop ups for 'new to the store' |
| 23:11.04 | KarlKFI | and game previews |
| 23:11.14 | KarlKFI | and friend recomendations |
| 23:11.18 | Arrowmaster | im still looking for the right word for the effect, i dont want to say viral |
| 23:11.23 | KarlKFI | and 'similar to what you already own' |
| 23:11.26 | KarlKFI | and wish lists |
| 23:11.49 | Amarande | uh oh. |
| 23:11.50 | KarlKFI | also: knowing what your friends are playing |
| 23:12.00 | KarlKFI | and tracking usage |
| 23:12.09 | Amarande | I just installed Guild Wars again, so I could see if I was having any issues with that game that might be similar to the slow framerate problem I was getting today in WoW |
| 23:12.15 | Amarande | and I realized one of my characters is in the Guild Hall still |
| 23:12.20 | KarlKFI | and in game chat |
| 23:12.27 | Arrowmaster | seriously whats a good word for the rising and falling popularity effect on the app store |
| 23:12.30 | Amarande | ... I'm no longer guilded, due to long inactivity from GW. I hope she didn't fall off into the void. ;) |
| 23:12.34 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: Trends? |
| 23:12.41 | Arrowmaster | too general |
| 23:13.01 | KarlKFI | all of these things encourage people to leave steam open all the time and visit the store often |
| 23:14.10 | KarlKFI | plus that 'new to the store' popup is dramaticly more effective than monthly emails |
| 23:14.33 | KarlKFI | also you can see metacritic ratings on the games |
| 23:14.44 | KarlKFI | where as app store just has user ratings |
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| 23:19.36 | Amarande | heh, you know what's interesting is that Sylvanaar is probably one of the parts of Outland I visit the most, all told. |
| 23:20.01 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: and from what ive heard those user ratings are completely useless |
| 23:20.29 | KarlKFI | users are not very good at quantifying quality |
| 23:20.48 | KarlKFI | they're good for comparing similar apps |
| 23:21.16 | Amarande | Karl: isn't quality ultimately determined, at least for something of practical use, with how satisfied the users are with said practical use? |
| 23:21.34 | KarlKFI | no |
| 23:21.40 | KarlKFI | for indicating quality you really need some sort of average critic review rating |
| 23:21.45 | Amarande | do you rate a wrench based on professional reviewers, or on how well people find it to be at turning nuts and bolts? :) |
| 23:22.24 | KarlKFI | wrenches have many separate points of quality |
| 23:22.44 | KarlKFI | if you dont knwo what to look for your ranking is not going to be useful |
| 23:22.45 | alestane | Star ratings are entirely emotional. Comments are usually slightly more useful, but still heavily determined by how the user felt at the time of writing. |
| 23:22.50 | foxlit | Hm, Tol'vir hat trick! |
| 23:23.19 | alestane | And when comments are entirely voluntary, they get further slanted by the fact that you only get the comments users cared enough to write. |
| 23:23.39 | Amarande | alestane: usually though it's the negative comments that are more noisy |
| 23:23.43 | KarlKFI | you need to be an expert in the field in order to be able to attempt to objectively rate something |
| 23:23.52 | Amarande | a high rating comment is usually "hey, this does the job really well!" |
| 23:24.21 | alestane | Although that does beg the question, what IS an objective rating, and how useful is it really? |
| 23:24.22 | Amarande | a low rating comment CAN be that the product itself sucks, but my experience shopping newegg seems to be more that low rating comments tend to mean "I had technical difficulties with my particular unit so this product sucks" |
| 23:24.24 | KarlKFI | users cannot be expected to do the required research or testing in order to make a useful rating |
| 23:24.48 | KarlKFI | alestane: i'm pretty sure a single expect can't really be objective |
| 23:24.50 | Amarande | for instance, a large proportion of bottom ratings on newegg are from people who happened to get a DOA unit, something that happens normally a certain % of the time in technology |
| 23:24.55 | KarlKFI | you need a quorum of experts |
| 23:25.03 | foxlit | "Does this thing do what the tin says it should do?" |
| 23:25.08 | KarlKFI | so generally an average of their reviews is sufficient |
| 23:25.26 | Amarande | "My particular foozle was DOA, therefore foozles all suck!" is not a good review. :| |
| 23:25.35 | Arrowmaster | what i ment was from what ive heard the app store star ratings are highly astroturfed |
| 23:25.49 | Amarande | Expert reviews have their own issues though, like impartiality |
| 23:26.13 | alestane | Most casual users don't really have the skill to dissect their reaction to a product, which is what makes expert reviewers useful. But generally, what people want to know when buying something is whether or not they're going to be satisfied with it, and I'm not sure experts are inherently better at telling them that before purchase. |
| 23:26.17 | Amarande | especially professional experts that get paid for reviews, you tend to get inflated opinions because said experts are concerned about making a good enough impression on their clients that they will *get* more clients |
| 23:26.31 | Amarande | if you're getting paid for reviews and say "this product is not so good" too much, you're going to stop getting hired |
| 23:26.59 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yeah expert game reviews on metacritic have major issues, like the GTA4 rating |
| 23:27.04 | KarlKFI | satisfaction is one of the things a star rating indicates. the trouble is that not everyone is required to respond so it's not a perfect picture |
| 23:27.20 | Amarande | or the whole bogosity that is the gaming magazine review market, where the 'quality' of a title tends to be based rather heavily on how much full-page ad money its publisher gave the rag in question |
| 23:27.41 | Amarande | which is why people get deluded into thinking Halo 3 is a great game |
| 23:27.51 | Arrowmaster | also there is large variance in how different reviews are done |
| 23:28.15 | KarlKFI | anyway. there is no perfect review system |
| 23:28.39 | KarlKFI | but if you only have one, it's gonna have it's problems |
| 23:29.00 | Arrowmaster | some reviews will focus purely on multiplayer without even touching the singleplayer, others wont even finish the singleplayer in a singleplayer only game |
| 23:30.35 | KarlKFI | it's like ranking movies. you need critic ratings and casual user ratings and sales numbers and advertising and reviews in order really figure out if you want to watch it. |
| 23:30.39 | Arrowmaster | and the major reviewers almost always get the games free so cost and value have no impact on their review |
| 23:31.49 | Amarande | Arrow: which is why I have to think that the actual reaction of actual people to the product has to be a better barometer than a marketing-based critic system |
| 23:32.39 | Arrowmaster | i like how yahtzee will bitch about it costing him over $100 USD to get a new release and if he feels the game wasnt worth a fraction of that |
| 23:34.24 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me, i have 5 zero punctuation videos to catch up on |
| 23:34.32 | Amarande | well, *that is the sort of thing that actually matters to an actual customer* |
| 23:34.50 | Amarande | and, ultimately, if you create a product for business, if you don't take care of the customer, you're not going to get far. |
| 23:35.52 | Amarande | this is how companies end up on the decline, by focusing on the marketing machine and appealing to people's "ooh, shiny, I'll buy this" instincts, then losing customers when they realize the product's not where it's at. |
| 23:36.13 | Arrowmaster | its a major problem for DLC reviews i think because the few that will actually review DLC are the big names that always get them free |
| 23:36.15 | Amarande | Even marketing behemoth EA's profits were down by a ton lately, or so I've heard ... |
| 23:36.31 | Arrowmaster | so there is no value assessment |
| 23:36.44 | Amarande | DLC is hard to put a real value assessment on, though, since it's usually cheap |
| 23:36.51 | Arrowmaster | is not |
| 23:36.56 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll learn they shouldn't just spend AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE on ads |
| 23:36.57 | Amarande | and when something's cheap, you tend to worry less about value |
| 23:37.25 | Cide | Shadowed: ping |
| 23:37.32 | Amarande | do you worry about whether your dollar fries are good food or a good value? no, not really, you just care that you're peckish and they're only a buck |
| 23:37.32 | Shadowed | Cide hai |
| 23:37.38 | Arrowmaster | the xbox marketplace has seen a shift in almost everything costing 400 points or $5 more than it would have a few years ago |
| 23:37.44 | Amarande | not whether they're a good value *for* a buck |
| 23:37.59 | Cide | Shadowed: for suf, can I show only my own buffs for friendlies, and all buffs for enemies? |
| 23:38.01 | Shadowed | uh |
| 23:38.02 | Arrowmaster | i refuse to purchase $15 arcade games |
| 23:38.03 | Shadowed | I have no clue |
| 23:38.07 | Cide | WHY NOT |
| 23:38.10 | Shadowed | I haven't touched SUF config in like |
| 23:38.12 | Shadowed | 6 months |
| 23:38.14 | Amarande | or if you've ever bought a 20 oz bottle of coke, you've pretty much proven that you don't really care about value on that purchase. :) |
| 23:38.15 | Shadowed | ask nevcairiel |
| 23:38.22 | Cide | but it's called shadowed :( |
| 23:38.23 | Cide | nevcairiel: ping |
| 23:38.27 | Shadowed | so are shadows |
| 23:41.13 | foxlit | I wonder if the new soft cap on archaeology fragments means that the offending sites would stop spawning |
| 23:41.16 | foxlit | That'd be too nice |
| 23:41.49 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: ooh |
| 23:41.51 | Amarande | soft cap on archaeology fragments? |
| 23:41.56 | jnwhiteh | you could cap all but ulduar =) |
| 23:42.10 | foxlit | assuming it works that way. |
| 23:42.19 | Amarande | I haven't heard of this. |
| 23:42.44 | KarlKFI | mmm star wars finally on bluray |
| 23:43.01 | Amarande | is this a recent hotfix? |
| 23:43.03 | KarlKFI | WTB TNG bluray |
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| 23:44.40 | Arrowmaster | never going to happen |
| 23:44.45 | Amarande | Arrow: I can already tell what happens to you then if you are unlucky enough to go to hell. |
| 23:44.56 | Amarande | You'll get put in the corner of hell where the only game console that exists is the Neo Geo. :) |
| 23:45.02 | KarlKFI | i know. they'd have to redo all the special effects |
| 23:45.18 | KarlKFI | which were all done on different film |
| 23:45.51 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI: also most older tv series dont have non interlaced masters around to use for a bluray release |
| 23:46.22 | KarlKFI | right. TNG's masters arent merged |
| 23:46.27 | Arrowmaster | which means a shit ton of effort remastering to remove the interlaced artifacts |
| 23:46.56 | Arrowmaster | which could still end up not improving the video quality |
| 23:52.58 | alestane | I still love that outtake of Patrick Stewart saying "You're too far way; we cannot attach the...the wossnames...*snrk*" |
| 23:53.57 | Amarande | ok, I think somehow something happened to this one character's UI that utterly destroyed my frame rate |
| 23:54.02 | Amarande | and I'm not at all sure what |
| 23:55.48 | kd3 | whee, I'm back. let's see what's happened in the world of ptring, other than the news that blizz is finally supplying a built-in extractor (got /three/ texts about that today) |
| 23:56.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 23:58.00 | Shirik | elsewhere in the world of ptr: |
| 23:58.08 | Shirik | Holy priest nerfbuff |
| 23:58.27 | Shirik | Does anyone know if the changes to chakra also come with an increased cooldown? |
| 23:59.00 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:59.04 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 23:59.26 | Fisker | saw the astrix 4g? |
| 23:59.27 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 23:59.34 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 23:59.42 | Fisker | it's pew pew lasers |
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