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| 00:10.26 | Amarande | hmm, I think I've discovered an unfortunate side effect of the "epics should be epic" cata paradigm. :| |
| 00:10.42 | Amarande | people are trying to get their BiS enchants, and pretty much can't yet :S |
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| 00:13.12 | crazedfred | how is that a side effect? |
| 00:13.45 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 00:13.50 | Nobgul | you lost me on that one Amarande |
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| 00:14.25 | Nobgul | I have my bis wep chant. Cost me a arm and a leg to get. |
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| 00:15.56 | Dagmar | You forget, Amarande has problems seeing the differencce between "reasonably hard" and "impossible" |
| 00:16.33 | crazedfred | sounds like most humans :) |
| 00:16.34 | Dagmar | ...not that I'd bother with the upper-end enchants until I've had time to see that I'm going to be keeping a bit of gear for awhile |
| 00:20.01 | Amarande | crazedfred: because, like Lich King, they introduced enchants that need Crystals from the get go |
| 00:20.17 | Amarande | unlike BC, where apparently you couldn't even get void-crystal enchants until you were raiding, at least in the beginning |
| 00:20.42 | Amarande | the problem is there are very few crystals, I'm surprised there's even as many as nine for sale on the AH at this point |
| 00:20.51 | Nobgul | Anyone know if kgpanels can be used to make bag frames? |
| 00:21.02 | Amarande | because everyone still needs basically all the non-vendor epics that are dropped or created, so there's barely any being DE'd |
| 00:21.07 | Slaren | if only there was a way to obtain epics for disenchanting, other than from raids :P |
| 00:21.08 | crazedfred | Sounds to me like it's working as intended |
| 00:21.16 | Amarande | with LK, that paradigm wasn't an issue, because Naxx flooded the market with DE'd epics |
| 00:21.23 | crazedfred | heh |
| 00:21.24 | Nobgul | Yea we farm the trash in bot for the epics |
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| 00:21.47 | airtonix | <Trashmasters> |
| 00:21.52 | Slaren | the shards come from disenchanting alchemist's stones |
| 00:22.13 | Nobgul | Also the other craftable items. Which are easy to make |
| 00:22.16 | Amarande | And you can't really argue the idea that that's because of the easysauce nature of LK raiding |
| 00:22.23 | Amarande | because LK raiding really *wasn't* that easy in the beginning. |
| 00:22.39 | airtonix | Amarande, |
| 00:22.50 | Nobgul | I think that the raiding endgame was quicker with lk. i may be wrong but it hink all the bosses were done quicker |
| 00:22.58 | Amarande | OS+3D challenged many PUGs as far down the line as 264-277 gear, Malygos was a bitch from start to finish of LK, the only ones you can argue were really easier are OS+0 (which drops much less loot) and Naxx |
| 00:23.35 | airtonix | i think my healer was in blues when my guild did os3d |
| 00:23.43 | airtonix | 3rd on the realm |
| 00:23.59 | Amarande | airtonix: It was actually hard, though, right? |
| 00:24.04 | Arrowmaster | i think my entire guild was in 200 epics or lower when we did os3d, 2nd on realm |
| 00:24.06 | airtonix | at that point |
| 00:24.07 | Amarande | Probably the hardest fight in the game until Yogg came out? |
| 00:24.27 | airtonix | i didn't do end of ulduar |
| 00:24.37 | airtonix | lost interest |
| 00:24.40 | Nobgul | Alagon still fucks pugs up now lol |
| 00:24.48 | Nobgul | Yogg |
| 00:24.48 | Arrowmaster | i didnt do anything in 3.1 or later |
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| 00:25.18 | Nobgul | So anyone have any idea on my question. If kgpanels can be used to make bag containers |
| 00:26.02 | Arrowmaster | Nobgul: to go around the default bags or a bag mod? or do you mean create a bag mod using just kgpanels? |
| 00:26.12 | airtonix | cargbags |
| 00:26.39 | Nobgul | Im using the tron layout that was posted a few days ago. |
| 00:26.54 | Nobgul | I wanted to frame the bags with a border to match the rest of the layout |
| 00:27.02 | Dagmar | Why not use Justin Beiber frames then |
| 00:27.18 | Nobgul | Oh hush |
| 00:27.23 | airtonix | hoho |
| 00:27.24 | Amarande | airtonix: well, talk was that even when ICC came otu |
| 00:27.26 | foxlit | bbc's "Deal or no Deal" annoys me |
| 00:27.35 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5553&d=1294218070 |
| 00:27.35 | Amarande | Yogg25+0 was still considered one of the top three hardest fights in the game |
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| 00:27.48 | Amarande | the only ones considered even possibly as hard being LK25H and Anub25H |
| 00:27.58 | Nobgul | Anug 25 >_< |
| 00:28.03 | Nobgul | anub was easy sauce |
| 00:28.08 | Amarande | heroic? :) |
| 00:28.13 | Nobgul | The faction Whores was harder |
| 00:28.24 | Amarande | Anub25H was widely considered harder than *LK* on 25H. |
| 00:29.00 | Amarande | Nobgul: wouldn't be surprised if they were at least nearly as challenging |
| 00:29.12 | airtonix | only tomato sauce is easy sauce |
| 00:29.15 | Amarande | I recall reading blog posts about people complaining WILL THE STUPID CAT PLEASE LEAVE THE HEALER ALONE FOR FIVE SECONDS? or such |
| 00:29.16 | Nobgul | lol |
| 00:30.13 | Amarande | I never got to do TO(G)C, so I'm not sure if that was bad tanking, or if there's just not enough tankage in the group to handle everything, or if, in fact, there is some nasty AI there where the cat will indeed always try to nom healers |
| 00:30.36 | Amarande | I do know that cats in LK raids were generally considered pretty evil though :) |
| 00:30.42 | airtonix | lulz "When Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks the word 'California' it sounds like a state of Austria" |
| 00:30.59 | airtonix | Kalleyphornia |
| 00:31.03 | Amarande | Nothing like a skilled raid waltzing into Ulduar for the first time and encountering Auriaya on 25, then going NOOOOOOOO as the tank gets gibbed for about 80-100k simultaneous damage. :) |
| 00:31.30 | Nobgul | lol |
| 00:31.34 | Nobgul | crazy cat lasy was fun |
| 00:31.39 | Nobgul | lady |
| 00:31.50 | Nobgul | and if you didint los the right way your whole raid got ganked |
| 00:36.00 | Adys | !api channel_notice |
| 00:36.00 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'channel_notice': CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE_USER |
| 00:36.06 | Adys | !api CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE |
| 00:36.07 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE: Fires when certain actions happen on a world or custom chat channel (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE) |
| 00:38.05 | cbreak | leading a guild is painful |
| 00:38.20 | Adys | 90k mana \o/ |
| 00:38.21 | Adys | yays |
| 00:39.16 | cbreak | class/spec? |
| 00:39.21 | Adys | frost mage |
| 00:39.25 | cbreak | :O |
| 00:39.34 | cbreak | I have 75 as arcane :/ |
| 00:39.41 | cbreak | (thousand of course) |
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| 00:40.20 | Torhal | Nobgul: I'm just sad you closed that thread before I could reply with "o.O" |
| 00:40.26 | Adys | 4736 int // 6845 spellpower |
| 00:40.53 | Adys | cbreak: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bloodhoof/adys/simple |
| 00:41.18 | Nobgul | Torhal =P |
| 00:41.29 | Torhal | Nobgul: Well, it was pretty wacky :P |
| 00:41.41 | Nobgul | i saw it goind bad places |
| 00:41.52 | Adys | Are engineering tinkers fully separate from enchants now? |
| 00:42.00 | cbreak | Adys: what the hell: 340 average item level (354 equipped) |
| 00:42.03 | cbreak | how's that possible? |
| 00:42.07 | Adys | cbreak: armory's broken |
| 00:42.15 | Adys | i have 355/355 ingame |
| 00:42.20 | Torhal | Nobgul: That person was just an idiot, so the only place it would have gone is /dev/null |
| 00:42.24 | cbreak | ah well, your gear is better than mine :) |
| 00:42.36 | Xyphoid | can you get that equipped value ingame? i could only see my useless overall ilvl in the char pane |
| 00:42.48 | Adys | nah you cant, |
| 00:44.03 | A-KO | http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8026/1293928100081.jpg |
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| 00:56.00 | Nobgul | Torhal, I think I will steal that. For when i close threads. |
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| 00:56.58 | Xyphoid | god malfurion looks hilarious now |
| 00:57.41 | Lulia | >.> |
| 00:57.53 | Nobgul | Sup Lulia! |
| 00:58.16 | Torhal | Nobgul: Haha |
| 00:59.59 | crazedfred | !api update |
| 01:00.00 | lua_bot | Found 176 possible matches for 'update'. Please be more specific |
| 01:00.06 | crazedfred | !api onUpdate |
| 01:00.07 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'onUpdate'. |
| 01:00.12 | crazedfred | derp |
| 01:00.20 | Nobgul | Previous Post rm -rf / Due to content |
| 01:03.43 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 01:03.58 | crazedfred | yea yea, laugh it up :/ |
| 01:04.12 | cremetorte | Hey guys i just want to make a minimap symbol and if you click on it a check menu shall open... i am really confused there seems to be to different methods: using xml and code in .lua file or just do everything in .lua which is the recommended one? |
| 01:05.24 | Nobgul | Most people recomend doing everything in lua unless you have to use xml |
| 01:06.40 | cremetorte | thanks |
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| 01:11.00 | Torhal | cremetorte: Actually, I was laughing at what Nobgul said. |
| 01:12.23 | cremetorte | why |
| 01:13.03 | Torhal | Because XML is limiting and much more verbose. |
| 01:13.36 | Nobgul | We are talking about a post on the forums, some guy was trolling hehe, torhal was getting ready to read him the riot act and i closed the thread on him =P |
| 01:13.54 | cremetorte | ok the problem is i find snippets for both methods and its quite hard for me to figure out if there is a good tutorial which tells me what is the right way of doing... |
| 01:14.12 | alestane | XML is suitable for straightforward layout tasks, and loads much more quickly for those tasks. But it does have limits for anything you need to be flexible. |
| 01:14.53 | cremetorte | its quite simple i want such a UIDropDownMenuTemplate when you click on a minimap Icon.. i think i have to use xml for the layout then. |
| 01:15.05 | alestane | You don't *have* to. |
| 01:15.07 | Nobgul | The way I look at is. Lua for the code xml for the frames and gui. |
| 01:15.50 | alestane | It may be easier to, but you're not obliged to use one of the other for the task of describing what frames you want and where. |
| 01:16.40 | alestane | But when you describe how you want a particular item to respond to user input or changes in game state, you need Lua for that, eitehr directly or indirectly. |
| 01:16.57 | cremetorte | i think i understand |
| 01:17.44 | alestane | I'd probably recommend starting out with pure Lua only because it gives you fewer things to worry about in the beginning. |
| 01:17.48 | cremetorte | In my opinion gui programming in wow is not good documented :/ getting startet with non gui addons was very good supported on wowwiki but using FrameXML for gui is more a documentation than a tutorial |
| 01:17.58 | cremetorte | mhh |
| 01:18.05 | crazedfred | damnit I give up, how do I use AceEvent with OnUpdate (or whichever is the event that fires once per frame) |
| 01:18.17 | Nobgul | cremetorte, I started with the ace gui lib's. The documentation was good |
| 01:19.04 | Nobgul | crazedfred, Your right its onupdate |
| 01:19.05 | cremetorte | i'll try that. beginning from zero dont seems to be a good idea. |
| 01:19.10 | cremetorte | thanks for that hint ;) |
| 01:19.34 | Nobgul | OnUpdate(frame,time) |
| 01:19.51 | cremetorte | any link for ace gui to start? |
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| 01:20.05 | Nobgul | cremetorte 1 sec |
| 01:20.13 | crazedfred | Nobgul: I have used RegisterEvent("OnUpdate"...) without error but the function I've specified as a callback doesn't run |
| 01:20.19 | Shirik | ??? |
| 01:20.25 | Shirik | I just lost 9 stacks of cloth somehow |
| 01:20.38 | Nobgul | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-gui-3-0/ |
| 01:20.46 | Shirik | Is there a way to open an in-game mail and then read it but not take the items from it and then it disappears? |
| 01:20.47 | cremetorte | thanks a lot |
| 01:20.52 | alestane | In regular usage, you don't use RegisterEvent to call OnUpdates. I'm not sure if Ace supersedes that. |
| 01:20.52 | Shirik | Can't be a deletion because that requires a confirmation |
| 01:20.55 | cremetorte | thank you |
| 01:21.01 | Nobgul | Shirik, if the 30 days or w/e has passed |
| 01:21.05 | crazedfred | alestane: ah, interesting |
| 01:21.06 | Shirik | no |
| 01:21.10 | Shirik | this was sent like 4 hours ago |
| 01:21.32 | Nobgul | Shirik, then unless you have the addon the gets rid of the confirmation then no. |
| 01:21.32 | alestane | You just use SetScript. But I don't use Ace, so no clue how that applies. |
| 01:21.42 | Shirik | there was no addon :P |
| 01:22.04 | Arrowmaster | OnUpdate isnt an event so you cant use it with RegisterEvent |
| 01:22.15 | crazedfred | alestane: yea I don't care and don't really need AceEvent since I'm not using internal events, do you have a code fragment hanging around? |
| 01:22.49 | Arrowmaster | and AceGUI is not ment for beginners, its a very advanced usage library |
| 01:22.58 | alestane | frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', function (self, elapsed) some(per/frame, action) end) |
| 01:23.11 | Nobgul | crazedfred |
| 01:23.12 | Nobgul | CallbackHandler-1.0 |
| 01:23.19 | Arrowmaster | Nobgul: no |
| 01:24.47 | Nobgul | Arrowmaster, What do you mean no |
| 01:25.06 | Arrowmaster | CallbackHandler has nothing to do with OnUpdate |
| 01:25.09 | Valdarix | !api achievement_earned |
| 01:25.09 | lua_bot | ACHIEVEMENT_EARNED: Fires when the player earns an achievement (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ACHIEVEMENT_EARNED) |
| 01:25.15 | Nobgul | No but it has to do wtih AceEvent |
| 01:25.25 | Nobgul | Which is what crazedfred is using |
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| 01:25.42 | Nobgul | Unless i misunderstood. |
| 01:25.51 | crazedfred | Nobgul: I just grabbed AceEvent as the first tool I saw I thought I could use, but if I don't need it I don't need it :) |
| 01:25.54 | Arrowmaster | but he said he isnt using it for custom events, which means using CBH directly is useless |
| 01:26.03 | Nobgul | Ah ok. |
| 01:27.55 | cremetorte | really dumb question: Concerning the AceGUI tutorial, i am stuck at "local frame = AceGUI:Create("Frame") | AceGUI is global Var? how shall is assign it to ? |
| 01:28.10 | Arrowmaster | <Arrowmaster> and AceGUI is not ment for beginners, its a very advanced usage library |
| 01:28.16 | cremetorte | forget it |
| 01:28.19 | crazedfred | So to clarify, I should use alestane's SetScript example? |
| 01:28.22 | cremetorte | was on an old site... |
| 01:28.40 | Arrowmaster | crazedfred: for OnUpdate? yes |
| 01:32.59 | cremetorte | Nobgul, nice tutorial page but not that much, is there any further documentation which e.g. tells me what kind of types there are? frame, button, ... |
| 01:33.07 | crazedfred | alestane: what's that some(per/frame) part? just example code (such as returning if (frame/mod) != #), etc? |
| 01:33.33 | alestane | That's where your code will go. It's meaningless filler. |
| 01:33.43 | crazedfred | kk. and to de-register the same? |
| 01:33.56 | alestane | frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', nil) |
| 01:34.02 | crazedfred | works for me :) |
| 01:34.20 | alestane | Although, in the case of OnUpdate, it will not fire when the frame is hidden. |
| 01:34.23 | Nobgul | cremetorte, There are some other examples floating around. as err Arrowmaster pointed out acegui may be more advanced, but its what i used to make my gui |
| 01:34.32 | alestane | So you don't need to unregister for that case. |
| 01:34.44 | Nobgul | frame:SetScript("handler", function) |
| 01:35.03 | cremetorte | acegui may be more advanced than what? i thought what you gave me was an introduction to acegui |
| 01:35.26 | Nobgul | 1 sec let me link you to a post in toe forums |
| 01:35.38 | Nobgul | If i can find it been a while |
| 01:38.06 | Nobgul | cremetorte |
| 01:38.07 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34532 |
| 01:38.38 | cremetorte | ty again |
| 01:39.03 | crazedfred | alestane: ah. I don't actually know how to create/manipulate frames, I'll look that up one sec |
| 01:40.01 | crazedfred | The trick being I need it for some behind-the-scenes work, so I don't actually want anything to be visable |
| 01:40.08 | Arrowmaster | cremetorte: AceGUI is more advanced than creating frames manually without a library, it is ment to do high level things not make it easy for beginners to use frames |
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| 01:41.19 | cremetorte | err AceGUI is not ment to make it easy for beginners to use frames? |
| 01:41.24 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 01:41.43 | crazedfred | cremetorte: counter-intuitive sometimes ain't it :P |
| 01:42.29 | cremetorte | now i am completly confused, i am a beginner but i want to keep it easy, so guys recommend me using a lib instead making manual trys... and now you tell me its not ment to make it easier :) |
| 01:42.30 | Arrowmaster | its ment to help developers that already know how to use frames do extremely complex stuff in a better way |
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| 01:43.40 | cremetorte | so what would you, Arrowmaster, recommend to me, a beginner who wants just create a simple menu dropdown when clicking on minimap + little config menu with edit boxes... |
| 01:44.39 | Arrowmaster | AceConfigDialog is good for config menus |
| 01:45.28 | cremetorte | lol so i should stick to libs ALTHOUGH i am not quite familiar with frames ... :) either i am very tired or you dont know what you want ;) |
| 01:45.44 | Nobgul | lol |
| 01:46.13 | Arrowmaster | right, AceConfigDialog USES AceGUI though but you dont do anything directly with AceGUI |
| 01:47.05 | cremetorte | k |
| 01:47.36 | Arrowmaster | AceConfigDialog is fairly simple to use |
| 01:47.40 | cremetorte | i will go to bed... but thanks for all your answers i will oversleep the whole situation and will figure out what to do tomorrow |
| 01:48.33 | Torhal | mentally beats AceGUI until it is renamed. |
| 01:48.46 | Torhal | I'm so tired of dealing with the fallout from that name. |
| 01:49.42 | crazedfred | In that case Torhal you're lucky I was here |
| 01:49.52 | crazedfred | I would have asked that same question set cremetorte in a few days |
| 01:50.09 | Torhal | "But it says GUI!" |
| 01:50.12 | crazedfred | *cremetorte was saying |
| 01:50.24 | Torhal | facepalms for the millionth time. |
| 01:50.28 | crazedfred | Lol, don't act so surprised |
| 01:50.47 | Torhal | I'm not surprised. I just with the damn lib had been differently-named. |
| 01:50.51 | crazedfred | ah |
| 01:51.53 | Arrowmaster | does svn mv AceGUI-3.0/ AceAdvancedGUI-3.0/ |
| 01:52.46 | mascondante | can I add a message with two different colors in the same line in the chat frame? |
| 01:53.01 | foxlit | "The game (WoW) sends you to kill an NPC who is (wrongfully) accused of doing something you did in an earlier quest." |
| 01:53.26 | crazedfred | foxlit: I think I can see where this is going, and to answer your question, yes, I WOULD watch that moive |
| 01:53.29 | Slaren | mascondante: http://www.wowpedia.org/UI_escape_sequences |
| 01:53.43 | mascondante | ty Slaren |
| 01:53.52 | cremetorte | is there some similar in any lib or whatever. i need exact that style of menu : http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091113162246/wowwiki/images/d/d5/UIDropDownMenu-Menu.png |
| 01:54.11 | cremetorte | dont even need sublayers |
| 01:54.24 | nebula1692 | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 01:54.33 | cremetorte | thanks |
| 01:54.46 | nebula1692 | can scroll down to easymenu |
| 01:54.48 | cremetorte | why didnt i find that ith goole |
| 01:54.51 | cremetorte | *google |
| 01:55.01 | cremetorte | i clearly should go to bed.. |
| 01:55.39 | cremetorte | good night i will bother you tomorrow with upcoming problems :) |
| 02:02.15 | Nobgul | night |
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| 02:13.44 | Amarande | hmm, I think I'm starting to actually understand now why Paragon and the like don't run melee DPS in hardmodes (and why some folks say they may be unviable) |
| 02:14.07 | Amarande | I've been reading the unholy DK guide (as I just switched spec) and starting to learn of certain boss mechanics that simply punish you *hard* for having melee DPS |
| 02:14.31 | Jerub | http://syntensity.com/static/lua.html |
| 02:14.55 | Amarande | Theralion and Valiona, for instance. There seems an awful lot of "I target a player and anyone within X yards of the player when they're hit gets damaged" mojo, as well as things like Blackout |
| 02:15.09 | Amarande | I'm beginning to get the feeling that the problem is with things like that, you can't afford to have ANYONE unnecessary near the tank, and that means no melee DPS |
| 02:15.28 | Amarande | It's like how Retribution Paladins were essentially *NO.* on Kaz'Rogal back in the day. |
| 02:15.33 | Jerub | Amarande: melee dps stay behind the target. news at 11. |
| 02:16.49 | Amarande | Jerub: the issue is the melee DPS being hit by targeted spells that have a radius (and bosses seem to usually ignore the "target needs to be in front of you" rule), thus causing the tank to take damage that can't be afforded on HM |
| 02:17.09 | Jerub | Amarande: i love how you find the silliest things to QQ about. |
| 02:17.16 | Amarande | Having your retadins behind Kaz wouldn't save your tanks from being blown up, either. :P |
| 02:17.47 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm trying to figure out if the melee DPS picture on harder raid fights is as bad as Paragon and such apparently seem to have decided it is |
| 02:17.58 | Amarande | given that my raiding main *is* a melee DPS, after all. |
| 02:18.08 | Jerub | Amarande: paragon aren't raiders. |
| 02:18.31 | Jerub | Amarande: they are a super optimised group of people that do the most they can possibly do with minimal tools. |
| 02:18.53 | Jerub | Amarande: you can't possibly compare paragon to a real raiding group. |
| 02:19.09 | Amarande | Jerub: that's pretty much the description of most top raiders. |
| 02:19.34 | Amarande | unless you're on a server that's got so little progression that even the progression leaders are behind most of the WoW community. |
| 02:19.39 | Jerub | yes. hence why i'm super amused that you think because they take only-ranged into fights that you think that that means that dps is no longer viable. |
| 02:19.57 | Jerub | er melee dps |
| 02:20.12 | Amarande | I'm trying to see if there's a reason that only-ranged is a good policy, particularly since the normal mode raiders I've seen have found their melee do the *most* DPS. |
| 02:20.20 | Amarande | As I mentioned, it's primarily a hardmode thing. |
| 02:20.32 | kd3 | there's a difference between bleeding edge, top 0.1% raids, and everybody else |
| 02:20.36 | Jerub | hardmode-with-only-first-tier-heroic-gear-in-week-5. |
| 02:20.59 | Amarande | Obviously, if melee DPS is actually doing more DPS than ranged DPS, there has to be some compelling reason to avoid bringing them to top flight fights. |
| 02:21.02 | kd3 | unless you're in paragon or a guild close to them, what they're complaining about is unimportant |
| 02:21.41 | kd3 | because by the time the rest of the world has caught up, the raid groups will be much better-geared |
| 02:22.12 | Thunder_Child | 95% of the fights are about understabding, and 99% of wow players cant understand shit |
| 02:22.16 | Amarande | Possibly. Are there any raids in full 359-part-372 yet that this can be calibrated by? |
| 02:22.22 | Thunder_Child | understanding* |
| 02:22.35 | kd3 | I'll tell you in a month when sane people have the gear to attempt this |
| 02:22.38 | Thunder_Child | though i am amused at understabing |
| 02:22.43 | Amarande | And I'm correct that bringing ret paladins (or even tankadins, possibly!) to pre-nerf Kaz'rogal was suicide, right? |
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| 02:23.34 | Amarande | Tiny mana pool + mana dot that causes you to deliver huge AoE around you when you OOM + being in melee seems to = your tanks are gone and your raid soon after. |
| 02:25.50 | Jerub | Amarande: i don't know what you're talking about or why |
| 02:26.03 | Xyphoid | hyjal is relevant |
| 02:28.48 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Barney_the_overweight_purple_dinosaur |
| 02:29.45 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:33.05 | Amarande | perhaps a better yardstick then is: do raids with even one or two melee DPS in fact require a noticeably higher gear level to do hardmodes in Cata than raids with exclusively ranged? |
| 02:33.52 | Amarande | I'm sure our raid will have that higher gear level, especially since we have something like six people in it that all need the same tier tokens, so it'll take us a while before we're ready for HMs :) |
| 02:33.53 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 02:33.59 | Dagmar | Not any better that way. |
| 02:35.03 | Dagmar | fights are always harder on some classes than others once they stop being a loot pinata |
| 02:36.04 | Amarande | and I'm trying to figure out exactly why a low-geared, cutting edge raid with a high skill level would need to use all ranged, thus, searching the boss mechanics to see if I can find a likely answer. |
| 02:36.15 | Jerub | hunters on marrowgar, mages on sindragosa, etc. |
| 02:36.31 | kd3 | because they don't have the ilvl to do it where blizz had in mind |
| 02:36.39 | Amarande | I'm assuming that they would have tried it with their usual A team before benching the melee and bringing in ranged subs, but of course you generally only see videos of the successful kills, not wipes, so you can't really see what went wrong with the other composition |
| 02:37.12 | Dagmar | Marrowgar wasn't actually all that hard on hunters |
| 02:37.37 | Amarande | kd3: at low ilvl, would the fondness Cata has for PBAoEs and for targeted attacks with splash damage be the reason? |
| 02:38.15 | Amarande | mainly that, at low ilvl, you're probably running far tighter against the enrage timer than normal, and that ranged that need to move can still DPS, while melee that need to move basically *can't* DPS until it's safe to move back in |
| 02:38.37 | Amarande | so I can imagine if that's the case, having melee might run you over the time limit |
| 02:38.46 | Dagmar | Ranged _mobile_ DPS is always iffy |
| 02:39.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: consider say Ozruk, though, to use a 5-man example |
| 02:39.11 | Amarande | with Shatter, ranged only need to move a little if at all, and can keep DPSing |
| 02:39.12 | Dagmar | I dont' know where you're getting the idea that ranged people don't have a DPS drop when they have to move |
| 02:39.30 | Amarande | melee have to run a fairly wide radius out, and then that distance back in afterwards in order to continue |
| 02:39.47 | Dagmar | So does the tank |
| 02:40.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's actually why a few groups have found it easier to have a hunter pet tank Ozruk, at least on normal |
| 02:40.23 | Amarande | not sure if it can still be viable on heroic |
| 02:40.32 | Dagmar | I dont' see why not |
| 02:40.39 | Dagmar | It's actually really freaking EASY to pet tank him |
| 02:40.54 | Amarande | I can imagine, with the 90% AoE reduction and Shatter being the only *really* big thing |
| 02:41.41 | Dagmar | Most of the stuff just doesn't even hit pets |
| 02:42.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: the other thing is that ranged DPS often don't even need to be mobile, unless there's a "put fire on a certain part of the floor" type attack |
| 02:42.24 | kd3 | which happens a lot |
| 02:42.29 | Amarande | Looking at Theralion and Valiona, for instance, what I'm seeing is a number of attacks that are *targeted on a player* |
| 02:42.35 | Amarande | i.e., it's going to hit *that player* even if they do move |
| 02:42.44 | Amarande | and which have AoE radius around the player |
| 02:43.30 | Amarande | If you spread the ranged, then there isn't even any reason for ranged to have to move to avoid such attacks, it won't even help. Melee can be problematic otoh ... because melee are too close to the tank to afford allowing them to be hit where they normally DPS from. |
| 02:44.06 | Amarande | Similar to the case of ret and tank pallies and enhance shamans (the only mana using melee) on Kaz'rogal back in the Hyjal days. |
| 02:44.36 | Dagmar | So clearly, this one fight proves conclusively that melee DPS is outmoded and all melee DPS players should be dropped from guild rosters. |
| 02:44.39 | kd3 | which is something they learned from... 3 years ago now? |
| 02:44.49 | Adys | ~wowalert |
| 02:44.49 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 02:45.07 | Amarande | kd3: learned from it, avoided it in LK, and now they want to hearken back to the BC days with Cata. |
| 02:45.25 | kd3 | isn't aware of any manabomb fights in cata |
| 02:45.33 | Dagmar | They could also just make more lloot pinatas and then everyone would be happy |
| 02:46.23 | Dagmar | ...although what I'd really like to see is a boss that freezes everyone in th raid and then yells... |
| 02:46.25 | Amarande | kd3: not mana based, but I'm seeing some attacks that do share the same feature of damaging everything around the target, who cannot themselves avoid being hit by moving away |
| 02:46.55 | Dagmar | "You will now all repeat the following sentence, inserting correct punctuation and capitalization where necessary!" |
| 02:47.23 | Amarande | and that's where I'm wondering about the melee problem, because ranged can be kept spread (except for attacks that *need* you to stack for), and thus ensure only one is hit without having to stop DPS to get away from people. |
| 02:48.03 | Jerub | kd3: Amarande is just making up stuff so he can find something to complain about. |
| 02:48.10 | Amarande | Melee on the other hand will often have to take a performance hit (which may make the difference if you're undergeared), because melee DPS are always close to at least one vital person, the tank. |
| 02:48.19 | Dagmar | God forbid anyone use an AoE heal |
| 02:48.23 | Jerub | Dagmar: dear god i want to see that |
| 02:48.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: you still need to use those sometimes :) |
| 02:48.58 | Amarande | it appears the only way to deal with Blackout, particularly |
| 02:49.06 | crazedfred | If I've got a Frame object I don't want anymore, will assigning it to "= nil" make it garbage collected? |
| 02:49.14 | crazedfred | (If that's the only reference to it) |
| 02:49.15 | Jerub | someone add dagmar's grammar boss to the quotefile |
| 02:49.16 | alestane | Frames are never collected. |
| 02:49.21 | crazedfred | kk |
| 02:49.34 | crazedfred | so I shouldn't save over them with calls to CreateFrame then. |
| 02:49.41 | kd3 | so, don't go creating lots of frames. reuse them |
| 02:49.46 | crazedfred | gotcha |
| 02:51.37 | Gnarfoz | Jerub: like I said yesterday, he amazes me because it seems he likes to hear his own voice a lot, even though IRC is text-based. :D |
| 02:54.04 | Amarande | btw, is Sinestra still yet to be defeated? |
| 02:54.41 | Amarande | (and are they doing the "you only have an hour" thing again like with Algalon, who seems to be her spiritual predecessor in raid terms?) |
| 02:55.31 | Kraps | did anyone notice that goggle has the worst captcha system ever? |
| 02:55.38 | Kraps | goohle* |
| 02:55.47 | Kraps | google** |
| 02:55.59 | Kraps | yes that |
| 02:56.27 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: none of the raid end bosses are even dead, so yes, she's still out there. |
| 02:56.51 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: ? |
| 02:57.08 | Amarande | Kraps: when I looked at that progress page that noted that 10's seem to be harder to down than 25's |
| 02:57.19 | Gnarfoz | (not that that's directly related, just would seem strange to even go attempt her before then.) |
| 02:57.44 | Amarande | I did notice that neither Al'Akir nor Nefarian nor argh what's the other one's name have been defeated at all on H yet |
| 02:58.20 | Amarande | which also makes me quite appreciate the difficulty of cata raiding. Blizzard's apparently made a nut that's too tough as yet for even the likes of Paragon and Ensidia to crack, after the content's been out nearly a *month*. |
| 02:58.29 | Gnarfoz | and then the logical next question was... "well, maybe they're trying the one that's (supposed to be) even harder first... I know, I'll ask on IRC!" ;p |
| 02:58.47 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: mainly, I wondered if the web news I read was still current |
| 02:58.51 | Gnarfoz | they just didn't fuck up the gear curve as badly this time |
| 02:59.03 | Gnarfoz | web news... there's something else than wowprogress.com? |
| 02:59.22 | Amarande | heh, you know I've never actually looked for world and server firsts on wowprogress |
| 02:59.24 | Gnarfoz | (or... paragon.fi, as that's most likely to be where you'll find that killshot when the day comes, heh) |
| 02:59.40 | Amarande | I primarily only used it to check how well my guild and I were doing on our server |
| 03:00.03 | Kraps | wow: zune, netflix, and hulu plus are coming to the xbox |
| 03:00.19 | Gnarfoz | are they coming to .de? |
| 03:00.28 | Gnarfoz | I guess not, so meh.:D |
| 03:00.30 | Kraps | controllable with the kinect |
| 03:00.36 | Amarande | and yeah, I rather appreciate the challenge and the gear curve here. LK really was too easy, I stopped queuing for heroics pretty much once I got all the triumph gear I needed because it was boring |
| 03:01.12 | Amarande | in terms of my *personal* experiences with cata, despite what some of my commentary may suggest, I've actually had mostly quite a good bit of fun. |
| 03:01.48 | Gagorian | ~seen Mikk |
| 03:01.56 | purl | mikk is currently on #wowuidev #wowace, last said: 'since you dont need any skill to fish from pools'. |
| 03:01.56 | Amarande | apart from a) douchebags that votekick solely in order to change the party class composition, b) those blasted electric ball rotating beams in H VC, and c) the length of dungeons. |
| 03:02.00 | Kraps | "Yes, it is. Avatar Kinect is being demoed now. Chat as your avatar. " |
| 03:02.02 | Amarande | not the difficulty of dungeons, but the length. |
| 03:02.29 | Amarande | I'm tending now to agree with the folks who suggest that the bosses in heroics should be kept as challenging as always, but that there should be less trash |
| 03:02.46 | Gnarfoz | length is proportional to dps and dps taken, which are proportional to gear & skill |
| 03:04.28 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: LK dungeons were fairly short by design, even if they hadn't let gear get out of control so quickly. I think the longest ones were Ahn'Kahet and Gundrak if you didn't skip bosses? |
| 03:04.48 | Amarande | Then you have the Violet Hold format, which needn't be as easy as it was (BM, especially heroic BM, was a fair bit more difficult back in the day than H VH ever was) |
| 03:05.35 | Gnarfoz | when was black morass every difficult |
| 03:05.44 | Gnarfoz | -y |
| 03:06.02 | Amarande | And of course EoE, where Malygos remained one of the more annoyingly difficult fights in the game compared to most of the rest of the battles in LK even at high gear levels. |
| 03:06.12 | Gnarfoz | I'll just stop feeding the non-troll, I can't control my blood pressure. :P |
| 03:06.39 | Gnarfoz | (rofl, malygos. a 4min dps-fest loot piñata. I'll just stop. ;D) |
| 03:08.03 | Amarande | Okay, then. HoR. One of the heroics people actually considered to be *hard*, and it was one of the shortest. |
| 03:08.42 | kd3 | it was only hard because of the trash spawning in the first room. if people could properly los, it was cake |
| 03:08.44 | Gnarfoz | shitty tanks and people who didn't buy CC spells found HoR hard, not sure about other "people" |
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| 03:09.14 | Amarande | A dungeon just doesn't *need* to take upwards of an hour to be an enjoyable challenge, is what I'm trying to say though. |
| 03:09.39 | Amarande | When people said BRD in classic took nine hours, that was NOT praise for the dungeon. :) |
| 03:10.15 | Amarande | Nor do I understand the fun of, say, the raid boss fights in FFXI that I'm told took the better part of a *day* for *one boss* |
| 03:10.27 | Kraps | http://gawker.com/5725879/members-of-congress-can-now-play-cellphone-games-while-working |
| 03:10.47 | Amarande | Granted, damage dealing capability in that game must be abysmal, since Absolute Virtue was one such boss, yet it had less HP than most BC dungeon bosses in WoW. :) |
| 03:10.50 | kd3 | if there's one place I wish we had cellphone blocking... congress would rank high up on the list |
| 03:11.44 | Amarande | kd3: hey, look on the bright side, time spent distracted by cellphone games is less time they have to add more expensive pork to bills |
| 03:12.33 | Kraps | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/liveevent.aspx |
| 03:21.40 | Adys | For those who missed it; android 3.0 preview: http://www.youtube.com/androiddevelopers |
| 03:25.00 | Kraps | hotmail is the #1 email application? that makes me sad |
| 03:25.42 | kd3 | cower, mortal, before the wrath of redmon |
| 03:26.01 | kd3 | redmond* |
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| 03:27.40 | Torhal | Jeebus, do you actually play this game or just sit here for hours complaining about its mechanics? :P |
| 03:35.07 | airtonix | Torhal, i sit here for hours complaining about the mechanic |
| 03:35.24 | Gnarfoz | don't blame the mechanic, he's just trying to fix the shitty car you bought |
| 03:35.38 | airtonix | he once left a phillips head screw driver in my carburettor regulation tube |
| 03:36.39 | Gnarfoz | car burrito? yes! |
| 03:37.18 | airtonix | are you driving one of those new green energy cars ? |
| 03:37.31 | airtonix | the Ford Colon ? |
| 03:37.47 | Gnarfoz | nah, Ford Prefect for me |
| 03:38.33 | KarlKFI | http://www.neemdetijd.nl/723.html |
| 03:39.18 | Kraps | kd3: i like microsoft but gmail >all |
| 03:40.25 | Kraps | hotfixes http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1232869#blog |
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| 03:47.02 | Kraps | ever heard of SoC? |
| 03:47.31 | Kraps | System on a Chip |
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| 03:50.31 | Amarande | Kraps: not off the top of my head but I'd not be surprised to see it invented |
| 03:50.46 | Amarande | I've sometimes predicted that eventually we'll end up with computers taking up entire rooms again, too. :) |
| 03:51.03 | Amarande | The computer itself will be a tiny system on a chip ... the rest will be the cooling unit necessary for such heh |
| 03:51.34 | Amarande | "IN CASE OF COOLING FAILURE: Get in car. Drive away. Be at least twenty miles away in the next few minutes." |
| 03:54.39 | Kraps | my god the mobo is the length of a middle finger! |
| 03:56.20 | Amarande | Kraps: how does this thing not overheat, or does it have like, 80s or 90s level performance? |
| 03:56.35 | Kraps | seems real quick |
| 03:57.13 | Kraps | i'm pretty sure they know how to take care of overheating |
| 04:02.17 | Kraps | this new stuff is so great and futuristic i wonder how vista was so fail |
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| 04:26.43 | Lulia | Hmm, there used to be an AddOn called FarmIt, anyone know of a similar AddOn that's still supported? |
| 04:29.03 | karl_w_w | yes, a macro |
| 04:29.53 | Lulia | That would not be an AddOn similar to FarmIt :P |
| 04:31.40 | karl_w_w | there is still an addon called farmit :P |
| 04:32.16 | Lulia | Last I knew it wasn't supported anymore |
| 04:34.22 | karl_w_w | was updated only 2 weeks ago |
| 04:34.26 | Lulia | Hmm, looks like it was picked back up |
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| 04:48.49 | Kraps | cat |
| 04:51.46 | Kraps | "The northern graveyards on Tol Barad Peninsula for each faction have been moved further apart from one another to lessen the fantastic camping." |
| 04:53.55 | Amarande | Kraps: it still doesn't change the fact that Tol Barad is a badly designed contest in general that needed the honor bonus bandaid to even get it to change hands regularly |
| 04:54.27 | Amarande | Personally, I've never been there, but I understand it's a simple "cap multiple points" contest? |
| 04:54.53 | karl_w_w | when i die in tol barad peninsula now it doesnt even release my spirit at a gy |
| 04:55.14 | karl_w_w | i have to run to a gy then when it resses me im back where it released me |
| 04:55.34 | Amarande | basically, the understanding I have of Tol Barad is that everything else being equal, the defender has a nigh on 100% chance to win. |
| 04:55.45 | karl_w_w | pretty much |
| 04:56.07 | Amarande | because essentially with equal skilled and geared teams it's a draw, and draws go to the defender |
| 04:56.14 | karl_w_w | there's 3 nodes that are cap-by-proximity as i call it, like eots |
| 04:56.24 | karl_w_w | and you have to hold all of them |
| 04:56.35 | karl_w_w | so defenders just zircle zerg for 30 minutes and win |
| 04:56.38 | Amarande | yeah, basically sounds that with equal teams and a time limit it will always end in a stalemate |
| 04:56.49 | Amarande | allowing the defender to keep it |
| 04:57.06 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 04:57.10 | Amarande | though I have to admire Blizzard for providing all of these contests |
| 04:57.54 | Amarande | you can't really bash them *too* badly for the design, even though there are flaws (like that Horde had a huge advantage on D in WG, and that Alliance appear to have a near certainty of winning the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby), though, since most invented games tend to run into such problems eventually |
| 04:58.10 | Amarande | and with 12 million eager players, any flaw *is* going to show itself |
| 05:00.48 | karl_w_w | i have no idea why horde would have a disadvantage defending WG... |
| 05:01.34 | karl_w_w | and you can bash them for the design of TB, anybody with half a brain would realise the defenders of TB just need to brainlessly zerg to win 99% of the time |
| 05:01.51 | karl_w_w | I really don't see how they can have put any thought into it |
| 05:02.11 | kd3 | we complained repeatedly about TB publicly and privately during beta... |
| 05:02.32 | karl_w_w | the whole expansion was rushed |
| 05:02.58 | Amarande | yeah, it seems like they actually put more of their effort into the 1-60 revamp than they did into the high end stuff |
| 05:03.48 | Amarande | although that's probably logical to do, since I'm not even sure what % of the customer base even does endgame content |
| 05:04.19 | Amarande | but yeah, it was definitely rushed. |
| 05:04.33 | Amarande | I'm not sure why, since WoW is not a game that needs Christmas to sell an expansion |
| 05:04.41 | karl_w_w | well the 1-60 is why the game was released in december instead of Q3 |
| 05:05.44 | karl_w_w | just rampant stupidity really |
| 05:05.50 | Amarande | karl: it's not the first time a commercially marketed game has had a serious flaw that should have been seen right from the beginning |
| 05:06.13 | Amarande | hell. there's commercially marketed versions of Tic-Tac-Toe, for god's sake, even though anyone with a brain cell knows that game is a dead draw unless you're playing someone who's never played |
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| 05:07.40 | Amarande | however, there are also things like multiplayer chess games that anyone with the slightest knowledge of chess should be able to understand fail horribly |
| 05:15.36 | karl_w_w | *reads hotfixes* |
| 05:16.14 | karl_w_w | im surprised blizzard thought people would be making more flasks than they are |
| 05:16.32 | Amarande | there's a flask shortage in cata? |
| 05:16.42 | karl_w_w | were the people who made guild achievements not in the room when they were deciding flask mats? |
| 05:16.56 | Amarande | I haven't seen there be a significant drop in flask production or availability, although the prices tend to be annoyingly high still |
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| 05:17.17 | Amarande | hoping it won't be something like 5-for-1000g still by the time we get back to serious raiding |
| 05:17.32 | Amarande | karl: how does it affect guild achievements? |
| 05:17.46 | kd3 | go check yourself? it's linked from the hotfixes list |
| 05:17.51 | Amarande | you raid, you need flasks. it doesn't change anything but that you need to do more farming, you're still going to make flasks. :) |
| 05:18.02 | kd3 | "Mix Master (guild achievement) is now awarded at 1,000 flasks, down from 10,000, and Better Leveling Through Chemistry (guild achievement) is awarded at 3,000 flasks, down from 25,000. It turns out we overestimated these numbers just a smidgen. More information can be found here." |
| 05:18.15 | karl_w_w | obviously it does affect it |
| 05:18.22 | karl_w_w | or they wouldnt have made the hotfix :P |
| 05:18.32 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 05:18.37 | Amarande | the requirements always did seem rather on the high side |
| 05:18.49 | Amarande | I think Blizzard thought that serious guilds would be larger than they are |
| 05:19.21 | Amarande | while from what I'm seeing lately, the largest guilds tend lately to be the ones from trade that recruit anyone and everyone to get and give perks |
| 05:19.47 | Amarande | guilds that do serious progression raiding tend to be comparatively much smaller |
| 05:20.49 | karl_w_w | yeah they went on and on about how guild size shouldnt be an issue |
| 05:21.05 | Amarande | nerfing the achievements actually does serve that purpose, though. |
| 05:21.21 | Amarande | the guild perk system as it was *heavily* favored mega guilds, which goes against their stated intent |
| 05:21.27 | karl_w_w | still, you need a larger guild to reach the cap every day |
| 05:22.01 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt be surprised if some smaller guilds have died as people leave to join bigger guilds |
| 05:22.16 | Amarande | yeah, it heavily depends now on how well-knit the guild community is |
| 05:22.29 | Amarande | also there's probably a lot of folks who disbanded their bankalt guilds to join a real one I'm sure |
| 05:22.43 | Amarande | Of course, then again, they also say bring the player not the class, but ... |
| 05:23.14 | Amarande | Let's just say try heroic Stonecore sometime with your DPS being a pally, an unholy DK, and a shaman ;) |
| 05:23.50 | Amarande | We handled heroic VP and even heroic Deadmines without much trouble with that same composition. We could not get past the first boss in H SC. |
| 05:24.48 | Dagmar | So, in other words, you guys suck. |
| 05:25.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: Corborus pretty much demands decent AoE, which that class combination doesn't really have |
| 05:25.44 | Amarande | You need to get the shale spiders down reasonably quickly, or you'll often wipe on normal, let alone heroic |
| 05:26.06 | Amarande | You also can't melee the shale spiders, which makes it impossible for most of the Unholy AoE tools to be used. |
| 05:26.07 | Dagmar | All three of those classes have AoEs |
| 05:26.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: I've never played ret, what do they have for AoE besides consecrate? |
| 05:26.57 | karl_w_w | divine storm |
| 05:27.25 | Amarande | karl: yeah, that's the problem |
| 05:27.39 | Amarande | the AoE's we have, except maybe something from the shaman (I'm not sure what) require you to be in close with the spiders |
| 05:27.40 | karl_w_w | the problem? |
| 05:27.42 | Amarande | and you can't do that on heroic |
| 05:27.46 | Amarande | those things explode, and you'll die |
| 05:27.49 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 05:28.02 | karl_w_w | why stonecore is so much harder i have no idea |
| 05:28.32 | karl_w_w | if they were all that hard it wouldnt be so bad, but atm it's like lucky dip when you're queuing random |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | this was a good guild group actually |
| 05:29.28 | Amarande | like I said, we did Deadmines and VP heroic without much trouble |
| 05:29.32 | karl_w_w | "Red Rider Air Rifle and Red Rider Air Rifle Ammo are now part of Jepetto Joybuzz's vendor list and can be purchased for their displayed prices." does this mean we can do BB King now? |
| 05:29.42 | Amarande | but we couldn't get Corborus because there wasn't enough AoE to deal with the shale spiders |
| 05:29.49 | kd3 | karl; yes |
| 05:31.08 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the shaman's spec was off the top of my head. At most though, we had DnD and Earthquake as possible viable AoEs. |
| 05:31.46 | Amarande | Earthquake is the ONLY shaman AoE that's usable in that situation that I can think of, and my other AoE tactics and all of the paladin's require you to be in too close |
| 05:32.00 | Amarande | so yeah, it wasn't the right composition for Corborus |
| 05:32.50 | karl_w_w | cata just feels unfinished really |
| 05:33.05 | karl_w_w | but at least it's not as bad as ffxiv |
| 05:33.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: you can't use melee-range AoEs against Corborus adds. You'll just die. |
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| 05:34.45 | Amarande | karl, how does FFXIV compare to Square's last attempt at a FF MMO? |
| 05:34.59 | karl_w_w | no idea |
| 05:35.00 | kd3 | ff14 fails, utterly |
| 05:35.02 | Amarande | FFXI's faults make WoW's worst features seem great, from what I've gathered of it :P |
| 05:35.05 | kd3 | that's about all there is to it |
| 05:35.20 | kd3 | squenix may not survive because it bombed so badly |
| 05:35.21 | karl_w_w | the guy in charge of ffxiv resigned |
| 05:35.58 | Amarande | Can't do ANYTHING without a group, so you have to schedule your life around the game even just to quest and level so your buddies can be around with you |
| 05:36.11 | Amarande | especially if you're a class that isn't favored by PUGs (which is like, something around half of them at least) |
| 05:36.37 | Amarande | Bosses that are overtuned to the point of absurdity |
| 05:36.55 | Amarande | Really, the worst WoW boss QQ, unless something is *actually impossible* doesn't come close to the train wreck that is Absolute Virtue |
| 05:37.56 | Kraps | ahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QFtqIqaYLs&feature=related |
| 05:38.47 | Amarande | If you fight Absolute Virtue for a while, you'll start thinking doing heroic Nefarian in blues might be more fun *and* more feasible. |
| 05:39.06 | Amarande | No. Make that, "doing heroic Nefarian in *greens* might be more fun and more feasible." |
| 05:39.38 | Amarande | It's only been beaten a small handful of times, and every time it IS beaten, Squenix claims that the tactics used constitute an exploit and nerfs them. |
| 05:40.17 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 05:40.23 | Amarande | kd3: squenix may not survive because they're just pretty much almost out of things to find to do, or so it seems |
| 05:41.05 | Amarande | FF13 was generally regarded as distinctly meh, a lot of people didn't even care for FF12, both MMOs are mediocre at best, about all they've done lately that's decent pretty much has been revamping the first FFs for handhelds |
| 05:41.20 | Amarande | well, actually I think they did publish TWEWY for DS, which is a pretty good game |
| 05:41.27 | karl_w_w | dissidia is good :P |
| 05:41.28 | Kraps | whats a good name for a dwarf pally? |
| 05:42.32 | karl_w_w | Dorfadin |
| 05:43.02 | karl_w_w | personally I don't name based on class or race |
| 05:43.06 | karl_w_w | I like original names |
| 05:43.40 | karl_w_w | thats why my DK is called arthas |
| 05:45.22 | Kraps | lol |
| 05:45.45 | Amarande | actually, my DK's name is rather influenced by her class, due to the reference it involves |
| 05:47.44 | olafski | mine too |
| 05:47.47 | olafski | Deathski |
| 05:48.23 | Amarande | Vladoka, a reference to the Lone Wolf series by Joe Dever |
| 05:48.35 | Amarande | a fairly obscure one, actually. |
| 05:48.38 | olafski | damn airtonix is gone, I wanted to reply :( |
| 05:49.11 | Amarande | (you only ever meet the Vladoka, which are a race of elite temple guards for the main evil lords of that world, on *one* particular path in book 12, and even then if you instagib it with an arrow you never learn its name) |
| 05:49.34 | olafski | elite temple guard instagibbed by an arrow |
| 05:49.38 | olafski | sounds powerful! |
| 05:51.17 | Amarande | olafski: Lone Wolf was pretty uber by that point |
| 05:51.35 | olafski | has to be if it's a wolf without a pack |
| 05:51.47 | Amarande | also, as a matter of course, most of the cases in those books when you had a chance to use a bow, the best roll outcome had you instakill the enemy |
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| 05:51.56 | olafski | deathski is also pretty powerful though! |
| 05:52.05 | olafski | average item level 349! |
| 05:52.08 | olafski | or was it 339 |
| 05:52.40 | Amarande | The thing with the battle with the Vladoka though, is that you only learn its name when you actually have to face it in hand to hand combat, which you don't if you use a bow and get the best result (which you will, because by that point you get an absurd amount of bonuses to bow rolls) |
| 05:53.05 | olafski | yes I got it :P |
| 05:53.48 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-news-network/2613-Predictions |
| 05:54.39 | olafski | but didn't it seem to you about 7 hours ago that airtonix was trying to tell the guy who asked about getting a notification on dungeon popup to go somewhere else because he wasn't allowed to discuss that here, amarande? |
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| 05:58.00 | Amarande | olafski: I remember that. I'm not sure why he's not allowed to discuss that. |
| 05:58.28 | Amarande | The technical answer is that yes, you *could* do that without breaking the TOS, but the means of doing so would be so contrived as to be virtually useless, particularly considering how little time you have to respond to a dungeon popup. |
| 06:06.22 | olafski | well I'd say it could work |
| 06:06.36 | olafski | and I should work! so bye |
| 06:07.50 | Amarande | Let's see, you have 40? seconds, during which the addon has to save a flag variable, reload the UI, then the program monitoring the saved variables has to see the saved variable file, read it, see the flag, send the message to the notification service, then you have to get the notification and click the enter dungeon button. |
| 06:07.56 | Amarande | Yeah. Quite Rube Goldberg. |
| 06:08.26 | Amarande | (also, come to think of it CAN you even automatically reload the UI via addon or is that a secure function requiring a hardware event ...) |
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| 06:09.20 | nobin | I'm reading a book on 3D graphics: "The resulting matrix mModelViewProjection contains the concatenated form of all of our transformations and the projection to the screen. This is just simply magic! DonÂ’t you just want to crack one of those linear algebra books in Appendix A now?", no not really.. |
| 06:10.32 | mckenziemc1 | hehe |
| 06:13.37 | Amarande | nobin: ergh. that's one thing that I don't like at all about the emphasis on 3D |
| 06:14.06 | Amarande | the math practically makes nuclear physics or rocket science or brain surgery seem simple by comparison |
| 06:14.11 | Amarande | and I consider myself a math geek :S |
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| 06:18.50 | nobin | the book is actually really good, it present you with a huge library so you can jump into arranging scenes and then learn the 3D math latter |
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| 06:25.45 | Sesshu | is it possible to inherit more than one template? |
| 06:26.34 | Adys | Sesshu: yes |
| 06:27.03 | Adys | Sesshu: pass a comma-separated list of template names wherever a template name argument is allowed |
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| 06:27.48 | Fisker | noooooooooooo |
| 06:27.52 | Sesshu | okay trying it |
| 06:27.52 | Fisker | this is an outrage |
| 06:28.00 | Fisker | Ramkahen now has a functional mailbox. What can King Phaoris do for you? |
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| 06:28.50 | Amarande | w00t |
| 06:29.46 | Sesshu | Adys: that must be the reason why the inherit argument of CreateFrame must be a string.. now i understand that thing hehe |
| 06:30.07 | Adys | doesn't like templates |
| 06:31.13 | Sesshu | blizzard wants me to use them! |
| 06:31.38 | Sesshu | otherwise they wouldn't make functions protected |
| 06:32.00 | Adys | that has very little relation |
| 06:35.48 | Amarande | "The mechanical nightmare section of the Vanessa VanCleef encounter has less sparks of doom, and is notably easier and faster to navigate." |
| 06:36.23 | Amarande | Yay. And goddamn it, why couldn't they have had that in when I was actually *there* earlier. (Or was it even more evil before and that's the nerfed version?) |
| 06:37.09 | Adys | it's already been nerfed |
| 06:37.19 | Adys | it looks like you just suck at it. :p |
| 06:39.46 | Adys | Vapors in the Ripsnarl encounter now increase in power every 8 seconds, up from 6. |
| 06:39.50 | Adys | THAT was necessary |
| 06:39.56 | Adys | the other shit wasnt :p |
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| 06:43.12 | Adys | Ramkahen now has a functional mailbox. What can King Phaoris do for you? |
| 06:46.14 | Fisker | sparks of doom are silly Amarande |
| 06:46.22 | Fisker | i basically just remembered the pattern when they spawn |
| 06:46.25 | Fisker | so i just run in |
| 06:46.31 | Fisker | in which case 4 clueless newbs follows and dies |
| 06:46.34 | Fisker | :< |
| 06:48.47 | Amarande | Fisker: what annoys me is that I have the talent for 100% AMS absorption |
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| 06:49.08 | Amarande | but if I try to AMS and then run through to the next safe spot, I will often die even though 7 seconds have definitely NOT passed |
| 06:49.27 | Amarande | is there a total absorption cap on AMS and not just a per-hit absorption? I always thought it was per-hit, but ... |
| 06:51.15 | karl_w_w | i thought the total was like 150% of your health or something |
| 06:51.49 | karl_w_w | 50% |
| 06:51.57 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=48707 |
| 06:52.37 | Amarande | karl: I always thought that was supposed to mean that the most damage that could be cut off a hit was 50% of your total health |
| 06:52.39 | mikma | ams is purw shit outside pvp |
| 06:52.59 | karl_w_w | Apply Aura: Cancel Aura if Damage Absorbed Reaches X% of Caster Health (126) |
| 06:52.59 | karl_w_w | Value: 50 |
| 06:53.10 | Amarande | ah, the tooltip is badly written, then |
| 06:53.35 | Amarande | most of the other effects (disc priest megabubble, DK AMZ) that have a total cap say it much more plainly |
| 06:54.22 | Amarande | you know, that makes the AMS glyph really a lot less useful then. :( |
| 06:54.33 | Amarande | with how hard-hitting cata attacks tend to be |
| 06:55.21 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 06:55.27 | karl_w_w | depends on the situation |
| 06:55.45 | Amarande | might also mean blade barrier might be a better use of my discretionary two points as unholy than magic suppression :| |
| 06:56.02 | karl_w_w | it's awesome for a major glyph |
| 06:56.36 | Amarande | 3/3 Magic Suppression does mean 100% absorption, but since apparently the half health cap is a total and not per-hit, that basically makes AMS only good for one hit (and thus makes the glyph kind of iffy) |
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| 06:57.34 | Amarande | karl: I'm also beginning to wonder if that was changed for cata |
| 06:57.35 | karl_w_w | 1 hit? |
| 06:57.49 | karl_w_w | i was i could hit for 50% of somebody's health :P |
| 06:57.52 | Amarande | because I can never remember AMS breaking early in LK, even when I used it to soak Sindy's blistering cold attack |
| 06:57.52 | Gnarfoz | <Amarande> Yay. And goddamn it, why couldn't they have had that in when I was actually *there* earlier. (Or was it even more evil before and that's the nerfed version?) <-- you are why we can't have nice things. |
| 06:59.06 | Amarande | karl: yeah most PvE magic attacks in heroics and raids in cata that are significant enough that you'd actually want to use AMS will chew through that maximum in one shot |
| 06:59.33 | Amarande | at least at the blue gear level |
| 07:00.58 | Amarande | see, the way I read the tooltip was that for 7 seconds, all magic attacks were reduced fully (since I'm talented) by up to 50% of my max health (about 51k) each |
| 07:01.25 | Amarande | it's hard to think that it would mean more like a Power Word: Shield or Ice Barrier or the like that just absorbs a total amount of damage, since the tooltips for those tend to be worded differently |
| 07:02.03 | Gnarfoz | nah, it's just the opposite of what you wished for, and /thus/ it was hard to believe. |
| 07:02.48 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it probably wasn't until now that I was actually encountering that much magic damage in that short of a time to be able to learn that was the case |
| 07:03.14 | Gnarfoz | which is another way to say: it was overtuned anyway. |
| 07:03.24 | Amarande | ICC by comparison tended to have fairly few huge burst magic hits |
| 07:03.31 | Gnarfoz | can't believe they're already starting to nerf heroics, damnit |
| 07:03.48 | Amarande | and most of them were either meant to be one-shots (and even unholy talented AMS wouldn't have helped) or were ones that only went to the tank |
| 07:04.43 | Amarande | the only such one I would actually use AMS on regularly was Sindy's Blistering Cold, and even then, it was hard to notice if it was a total cap since usually it was due to expire maybe a second or so after BC hit anyway |
| 07:05.12 | Gnarfoz | a second afterwards? how bad is your timing |
| 07:05.18 | Amarande | the other ICC effects I would use AMS on with any regularity tended to be DoT effects of some or other sort, which never had time to reach the cap |
| 07:05.25 | Gnarfoz | no wonder deadmines' mario stage was hard for you |
| 07:05.31 | Gnarfoz | I'll just go sleep now~ |
| 07:05.38 | Nobgul | lol |
| 07:05.53 | Amarande | I usually hit AMS about 1-2 seconds or so after BC started casting. As soon as I could without having it expire before cast finished. |
| 07:05.54 | Gnarfoz | enjoy the ride to wotlk dungeons :D |
| 07:06.28 | Amarande | also, with the main exception of the Wild Arms series, I have a general disdain for platformer elements ending up in RPGs. It's not just WoW. |
| 07:09.32 | Amarande | "It is no longer possible to disarm Al'Akir" o.0, how did it take them *two weeks* from launch to realize that oversight? :) |
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| 07:10.37 | Gnarfoz | because they realize nothing and rely on reports by players? |
| 07:10.53 | Jerub | Amarande: because there's zero visibility until you try for various things like dispellability, interruptability, disarmability, purgability, etc for basically every buff, debuff and boss. |
| 07:11.17 | Jerub | so it takes trial and error by the playerbase to find things like that |
| 07:11.33 | Jerub | spell-theft is another one |
| 07:11.46 | Gnarfoz | or good QA that checks flags for at least every boss, but meh, who'd do that |
| 07:12.07 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: it's not just bosses. it's every mob in the game |
| 07:12.16 | Gnarfoz | it's /relevant/ on bosses |
| 07:12.21 | Amarande | Jerub: I could understand it if it was some random trash mob |
| 07:12.26 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: it's relevent on everything. |
| 07:12.31 | Gnarfoz | no? it's not. |
| 07:12.39 | Amarande | but ... ehh, I guess it's just like when I design stuff for Neverwinter Nights every now and then |
| 07:12.47 | Amarande | I tend to give boss mobs a good bit more care in their design than trash |
| 07:12.55 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: sure it is. for a coherant game with consistent rules it's required everywhere. it's just highly visible on bosses. |
| 07:13.06 | Gnarfoz | see "relevant" |
| 07:13.25 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: but the number of times i've been unable to interrupt an ability without the shield graphic around the castbar, and vice versa, that really pisses me off |
| 07:13.39 | Jerub | it makes me lose faith in the whole system |
| 07:13.52 | Amarande | Jerub: also, bosses traditionally tend to be more often intended to be immune to various this and thats than even powerful trash. |
| 07:14.01 | Gnarfoz | huh? those things should be caused by one and the same thing, so that's just plain old BAD DESIGN |
| 07:14.15 | Jerub | Amarande: um. the point is that there are even things in the game to let you know what you're allowed to do, and those indicators are wrong. |
| 07:14.22 | Jerub | routinely |
| 07:14.24 | Amarande | Jerub, are you sure that when you couldn't interrupt, it wasn't either a) lag or b) some other effect that blocked your interrupt? |
| 07:14.28 | Gnarfoz | why would there be a flag for "show uninterruptible UI crap" and "is interruptible", who does stuff like that |
| 07:14.38 | Jerub | if those were visible indicators that were useful, this wouldn't get through any kind of QA playtesting |
| 07:15.00 | Gnarfoz | see above about the quality of their QA |
| 07:15.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 07:15.03 | Amarande | like that damned pull in VP where there's 2 temple adepts *and* the grounding field present, and if your interrupt is considered a spell it will bounce off even though there's no shield :) |
| 07:15.14 | Gnarfoz | uhm what |
| 07:15.24 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: near the end of the dungeon, there's those pyramids of lightning |
| 07:15.25 | Jerub | Amarande: 1 minute castbar without shield that you can't interrupt. happens while questing all the time |
| 07:15.30 | Gnarfoz | I know the dungeon. |
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| 07:15.46 | Gnarfoz | Jerub: didn't happen to me once from 80-85, so maybe lower level? |
| 07:15.55 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: Temple Adepts' Greater Heals will always show as interruptible, but you can't always do it. |
| 07:15.58 | Jerub | Amarande: and, on the other hand, there are times when you hit the interrupt by accident and see yourself interrupt a cast that shouldn't be interruptable. |
| 07:16.08 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: BC was bad for it |
| 07:16.17 | Amarande | if they're in the grounding field and your interrupt is considered a spell (like DK interrupts) it will fail |
| 07:16.21 | Gnarfoz | the spell shield stuff didn't even exist in BC |
| 07:16.30 | Jerub | here's a fun one. you know those troggs riding crocs in deepholm? |
| 07:16.45 | Jerub | hex the croc, the trogg can't get off the croc until the spell runs out |
| 07:16.47 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: err, ok? so that graphic stuff can't or doesn't react to outside influences. |
| 07:16.51 | Gnarfoz | just MOVE THE DAMN MOB |
| 07:16.52 | Amarande | Jerub: also, there's that reverberation DoT thing from that one boss in HoO |
| 07:16.55 | Jerub | you can ranged burn the trogg while he's trapped |
| 07:16.57 | Gnarfoz | it's standing in the wrong place anyway! |
| 07:17.11 | angayelle | abilities like flurry is not interruptible by spells but by poly or stuns for example |
| 07:17.14 | Amarande | It actually even SAYS "deals damage until interrupted" ... it has a shield icon on the cast bar. :P |
| 07:17.21 | angayelle | i wanna cs flurry |
| 07:17.57 | Amarande | angayelle: that's because even non-interruptible abilities fail when the target is no longer able to cast before the casting time ends |
| 07:18.15 | Jerub | angayelle: oh there's that, but i'm just thinking about when i was using my warrior threat generating interrupt ability. |
| 07:18.17 | angayelle | i know, just adding water in the bucket |
| 07:18.28 | Gnarfoz | it's another bucket. |
| 07:18.35 | Jerub | angayelle: but yeah, i use the shammy knockback routinely to stop casts that i can't interrupt |
| 07:18.52 | Amarande | Death Grip interrupts too, because "can't do that while moving" |
| 07:18.56 | angayelle | i used too, with blastwave before they changed it |
| 07:19.21 | Gnarfoz | I recommend interrupting bosses with Death Grip |
| 07:19.24 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if DG can be used to pull the Adepts out of the grounding field. I'm foggy on it now. |
| 07:19.42 | Jerub | Amarande: you LOS around the pillar, or rush while they're patted out of the back end of it |
| 07:19.46 | Gnarfoz | body pull them out of it, CC then, kill. |
| 07:19.49 | Jerub | Amarande: if you're fighting there, you're already an idiot |
| 07:20.13 | Amarande | Jerub: the last such pull, right before the last set of stars and then Asaad, doesn't pat |
| 07:20.22 | Gnarfoz | body pull them out of it, CC then, kill. <--- |
| 07:20.50 | Jerub | Amarande: there's a convenient staircase to LOS them around |
| 07:20.58 | Jerub | Gnarfoz knows how to play |
| 07:21.23 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, on normal I tend to taunt and LoS one of the adepts myself, even as DPS, because I know a PUG will screw it up |
| 07:21.45 | Gnarfoz | plays "bed tiems" now, have fun in heroics. D: |
| 07:22.02 | Amarande | on heroic, it's a lot more difficult to do it alive, and even more so for the tank as they'd have to pull the entire group with them the whole time to LoS the adepts |
| 07:22.24 | Gnarfoz | omg I can't stand this bullshit |
| 07:22.24 | Gnarfoz | :P |
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| 07:22.33 | Gnarfoz | it's absolutely easy to do as a tank |
| 07:22.39 | Gnarfoz | because you only have 3 mobs on you, not all 5 |
| 07:22.48 | Jerub | you just run back |
| 07:22.52 | Jerub | if dps die then it's dps fault |
| 07:23.11 | Jerub | it can't be screwed up |
| 07:23.11 | Gnarfoz | dps can, but don't need to help, it's really not hard to do |
| 07:23.34 | Gnarfoz | your best bet: get a priest. mind control one of the fuckers, let the other 4 deal with him |
| 07:23.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 07:23.48 | Amarande | heh, would that actually work on heroic? |
| 07:23.49 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: MC is so awesome in Lost City |
| 07:23.55 | Amarande | remember, the bastards heal for something nigh on 200K |
| 07:23.58 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: yes, but not on that particular pull. |
| 07:24.08 | Amarande | they might even be able to heal through the whole rest of the pack's attacks :) |
| 07:24.13 | Gnarfoz | no, they might not. |
| 07:24.17 | Adys | Imprisoned Workers now have a smaller aggro radius. They also drop Cellblock Rations for players that are on the quest "Food From Below". |
| 07:24.18 | Adys | THANK GOD |
| 07:24.28 | Amarande | Adys: which zone was that? |
| 07:24.32 | Adys | tol barad |
| 07:24.33 | Gnarfoz | tol barad |
| 07:24.46 | Amarande | ah, would have to be. since that's the one zone I've actually never been to |
| 07:24.57 | Jerub | Adys: woo |
| 07:25.00 | Gnarfoz | yes, you spent the whole first week in Vashj'ir |
| 07:25.05 | Jerub | Adys: now i want a fix for the 'get the staff from that guy down there' |
| 07:27.05 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it. get a priest. mind control one of them. not have to worry about dying AT ALL as long as the MC lasts. ;) |
| 07:27.34 | Amarande | Greater Heal off one of those would heal a *tank* literally from 1hp to full |
| 07:28.51 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 07:35.47 | angayelle | can't recall if there is an xml tag to add a border to a frame or texture |
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| 07:50.49 | Adys | xml :( |
| 07:54.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:54.42 | Shirik | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20110106075036&limit=7&user=Shirik&month=&year= |
| 07:54.46 | Shirik | In before someone takes me to ANI for abuse |
| 07:59.39 | angayelle | reported |
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| 08:36.48 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 08:36.54 | Fisker | i saw LG Optimus 2X in a store |
| 08:37.02 | Fisker | with an estimated delivery of january 24th |
| 08:37.04 | Fisker | :o |
| 08:37.28 | Fisker | Shirik anakin skywalker? |
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| 08:43.07 | Fisker | i love people sometimes |
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| 08:59.38 | angayelle | you kill people sometimes too |
| 09:00.43 | Fisker | yeah |
| 09:00.48 | Fisker | it was funny though |
| 09:00.58 | Fisker | this guy was totally "ZOMG GAMBLING" over the mysterious fortune cards |
| 09:01.12 | Fisker | then i told him what about all the other professions and trade skills that have a random outcome |
| 09:01.26 | Fisker | then he just said we must agree to disagree :P |
| 09:01.59 | Dagmar | I have a hard time even thinking of it as gambling |
| 09:02.12 | Dagmar | It is quite literally taxing the stupid |
| 09:03.16 | Fisker | If we really want to get into the semantics, it can be gambling, but i don't think that it is since the "bet" is static and so is the outcome |
| 09:04.09 | Fisker | and in the end it doesn't matter since Blizzard isn't subject to their own policies laid forward to the userbase |
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| 09:04.25 | Dagmar | Trollery |
| 09:04.42 | Fisker | casinos are still not allowed on the eu servers thankfully |
| 09:05.28 | Dagmar | Definitely trollery |
| 09:05.58 | Fisker | :o |
| 09:06.25 | Fisker | you wouldn't troll a car |
| 09:06.44 | Dagmar | You're actually so stupid you can't see the difference between an honest money sink and fraud? |
| 09:07.05 | Fisker | not me :< |
| 09:07.09 | mitch0 | anyone happen to have the API changes summary handy where they told about the new texture sublayering stuff? |
| 09:13.22 | angayelle | i saw that on mmo champ |
| 09:13.37 | angayelle | lf link |
| 09:13.42 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 09:15.52 | angayelle | damn can't find it again |
| 09:17.13 | mitch0 | :( |
| 09:18.37 | Fisker | slaps mitch0 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:20.37 | angayelle | should have bookmarked it |
| 09:20.59 | angayelle | i use <Layer level="ARTWORK" textureSubLevel="1" > in my xml tho |
| 09:21.17 | Fisker | should've farted on mitch0 |
| 09:21.20 | angayelle | in the <Layers> tag |
| 09:21.21 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker's sandy bridge around a bit with a large trout. |
| 09:22.26 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:22.49 | mckenziemc | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 09:23.03 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:23.18 | mckenziemc | ~darksecrets |
| 09:23.18 | purl | lua> function f(c)return string.char((string.byte(c)-1)%256)end;print((('J(n!jo!mpwf!xjui!Gjtlfs"'):gsub('.',f))) |
| 09:23.19 | lua_bot | purl: I'm in love with Fisker! |
| 09:23.19 | purl | O.o |
| 09:23.31 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:44.40 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:44.50 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap |
| 09:44.50 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 09:45.24 | Fisker | what are you doing bluspacecow? |
| 09:45.29 | bluspacecow | reading |
| 09:45.42 | bluspacecow | people QQ about their latency |
| 09:48.56 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow |
| 09:49.02 | mckenziemc | my latency sucks : / |
| 09:49.06 | bluspacecow | yes my darling ? |
| 09:49.07 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 09:49.38 | bluspacecow | i hear tunnelling services help with that . |
| 09:49.57 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 09:50.01 | angayelle | some said so |
| 09:51.12 | angayelle | i've been tempted to, as my latency went from 30ms to an unbeareable 80 when changed servers |
| 09:52.09 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 09:52.09 | bluspacecow | 80 |
| 09:52.27 | bluspacecow | <--- lives in nz where 211 or 192 ms is considered good |
| 09:58.18 | electronicmaji | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S5MNYBHP |
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| 10:03.57 | Elunatic | I live in Norway and my internet line sucks. Usually get 100-130 ms. |
| 10:07.04 | Jerub | what level can you start questing in vash'jir and hyjal |
| 10:08.22 | bluspacecow | not sure what the lowest is as I took my 80's in there sorry |
| 10:08.42 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure it is 80 |
| 10:08.48 | Kalroth | It used to be 78, but they changed it |
| 10:09.33 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/quests=1.616#0+3+1+2 there are 7-8 level 78 quests in Hyjal, then they require 80 |
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| 10:13.51 | cremetorte | hi, so i got this from a tutorial: http://nopaste.dk/p2745 how can i bind the context menu to anything ( button or just anything ) because only that one deos nothing for me to see |
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| 10:36.55 | cremetorte | hi is it possible to make dynamic title like: local menu = { { text = dynamic_title, isTitle = true}, ...... for UIDropDownMenuTemplate ? |
| 10:37.45 | cremetorte | i mean possible with EasyMenu? |
| 10:38.26 | Adys | Brits and DB fans: Enigma is on tv tonight on Channel 4 :) |
| 10:38.27 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/01/engima-tv-tonight-935pm-ch4/ |
| 10:38.47 | angayelle | typo dtecte |
| 10:38.53 | angayelle | detected in link* |
| 10:39.47 | angayelle | i'm not sure easymenu is suited for dynamic menus |
| 10:39.52 | cremetorte | thanks |
| 10:39.55 | angayelle | but i may be wrong |
| 10:43.50 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 10:48.33 | Olison | Does anyone have a list of the Tier11 itemids at hand? :3 |
| 10:49.06 | Adys | Olison: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?id__gt=55000&itemset__gt=500 |
| 10:49.24 | Adys | oh t11 only |
| 10:49.49 | Adys | Olison: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?id__gt=55000&itemset__gt=500&quality=4&name__icontains__not=gladiator |
| 10:50.34 | Olison | Adys: hmm, very good! |
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| 10:50.55 | Olison | Hmm, a class filter would be very handy |
| 10:51.03 | Adys | class_mask |
| 10:51.06 | Adys | but hf with it its a bitmask |
| 10:51.08 | angayelle | arrowmaster you said easymenu is suited for dynamic or the contrary ? didn't understood |
| 10:51.29 | Arrowmaster | its not suited for dynamic |
| 10:51.34 | angayelle | k |
| 10:52.47 | Olison | Cheers, Adys =) |
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| 10:54.40 | Olison | Adys: could you elaborate on that bitmask? :P |
| 10:55.07 | Adys | Olison: not really, i dont really remember it |
| 10:55.11 | Adys | its a mask on class ids |
| 10:55.38 | Adys | i dont have the ids here tho |
| 10:56.06 | Olison | Okay, no problem, I'll fiddle around a bit |
| 10:56.24 | Adys | Olison: check the menus for a class filter |
| 10:56.25 | Adys | theres a couple |
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| 10:58.02 | angayelle | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAuctionItemSubClasses |
| 10:59.23 | Olison | Seems to work perfectly, cheers Adys |
| 10:59.31 | Adys | no problem |
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| 11:02.55 | cremetorte | err i do local B = LibStub("LibBabble-Zone-3.0") and LibBabble-Zone-3.0 is installed and loaded and LUA tells me Cannot find a libary instance of "LibBabble-Zone-3.0" Oo |
| 11:03.23 | Adys | cremetorte: your addon is likely loaded before LibBabble. |
| 11:03.34 | Adys | cremetorte: is libbabble a proper dependency of your addon? |
| 11:03.59 | cremetorte | its not thanks :| sometimes i feel like i am really asking dumb questions here -.- |
| 11:04.25 | Adys | there's no dumb question |
| 11:04.34 | Adys | actually there is but this one wasn't |
| 11:04.46 | bluspacecow | an example of one is |
| 11:04.50 | bluspacecow | is adys sexy ? |
| 11:05.00 | bluspacecow | does fisker get excited when he trolls you ? |
| 11:05.01 | Adys | i'm too sexy for my skirt |
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| 11:06.07 | bluspacecow | bleeter |
| 11:06.11 | bluspacecow | is adys sexy ? |
| 11:06.15 | Adys | blisker. |
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| 11:09.48 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 11:23.24 | mckenziemc | hmm, my worgen is Revered with Stormwind but only Honored with Gilneas |
| 11:23.30 | mckenziemc | no tabard |
| 11:28.11 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/steam_holiday_sales.jpg |
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| 11:29.21 | mckenziemc | slaps mikma around a bit with a tuna |
| 11:31.16 | mikma | mckenziemc: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/heppu.jpg |
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| 11:37.30 | industrial | Fisdys |
| 11:37.36 | industrial | Asker |
| 11:38.20 | industrial | tss dum ba! |
| 11:42.47 | Kalroth | :o |
| 11:42.54 | Kalroth | brain asplode |
| 11:48.38 | cremetorte | fun fact: Asaad is not in LibBabble-Boss-3.0 current release Oo |
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| 11:50.10 | mckenziemc | mother do you think they'll drop the bomb (on Fisker) |
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| 12:01.42 | cremetorte | err expressions like in C int a = b==2 ? 2 : 3 ; dont exist in Lua? |
| 12:01.51 | mckenziemc | nope |
| 12:02.17 | mckenziemc | 'a = b==2' would work but the rest won't |
| 12:02.28 | cremetorte | so i use if thanks |
| 12:02.42 | mckenziemc | you can do x and 2 or 3 though |
| 12:03.00 | cremetorte | i see thanks |
| 12:03.20 | mckenziemc | but if you ever use a variable in place of that 2, you have to make sure it's not going to be false or nil :p |
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| 12:09.01 | cremetorte | i followed this guide and built my menu. now i want to click on a level 2 item an afterwards my menu shall close and rebuilt ( because i changed label information for level 1) |
| 12:09.04 | cremetorte | anyone know how to do |
| 12:11.54 | cremetorte | info.func = self.HideMenu works but i also want to do some custom stuff so i use info.func = function() lb = stuff end, but i cant place self.HideMenu in there... guess stupid question again :/ |
| 12:13.25 | cremetorte | problem is that self.HideMenu called in level 2 doesnt close the whole menu |
| 12:13.50 | cbreak | cremetorte: self.HideMenu is a function that hides the menu |
| 12:14.02 | cbreak | how does it know which menu to hide? |
| 12:14.35 | cbreak | hint: If you would call it yourself, you would use self:HideMenu() |
| 12:14.37 | cremetorte | from context i know but there got to be something that closes the parent menu like self.parent.HideMenu |
| 12:15.54 | cbreak | cremetorte: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
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| 12:16.04 | cbreak | there's a GetParent() for UIObjects |
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| 12:17.21 | cremetorte | yes but its not a real parrent its all in one Frame just different levels. i will test my idea maybe i am lucky |
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| 12:21.58 | cremetorte | menuFrame.HideMenu didnt work just like self:getParent():Hide() or self:getParent().HideMenu |
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| 12:26.14 | cremetorte | ok i used info.func = function() --mystuff-- CloseDropDownMenus() end, |
| 12:36.17 | cbreak | cremetorte: there's a difference between blah.HideMenu and blah:HideMenu() |
| 12:36.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:36.25 | Fisker | do you understand chinese? |
| 12:36.30 | cbreak | the first accesses the function like a value. |
| 12:36.47 | cbreak | you can for example take it and assign it to some other field, like info.func |
| 12:37.00 | cbreak | the second form calls the function with blah as first argument |
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| 13:05.56 | cremetorte | to find out where i am ( what zone ) i use the who functions or is there somethin easier to find out where the actual player is, i think i read something that if its the player there is another way than using who functions |
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| 13:07.53 | mitch0 | ~api zone |
| 13:07.53 | purl | !api zone |
| 13:07.53 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'zone'. Please be more specific |
| 13:07.56 | cbreak | cremetorte: there should be methods to query it directly |
| 13:08.10 | cbreak | all probably a few magnitudes faster than a who lookup |
| 13:08.50 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/API#Location_Functions |
| 13:08.52 | cremetorte | thanks for the link i knew i read it before |
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| 13:31.24 | karl_w_w | if somebody creates a ticket on one of your addons on curseforge do you get an email? |
| 13:34.54 | mitch0 | no |
| 13:35.03 | mitch0 | erm, dunno. you don't get one on wowace |
| 13:35.43 | mitch0 | but I _think_ the diff is only in the styles between the two sites |
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| 13:39.09 | Kraps | whats the chance of blizz upgrading wows graphics engine? |
| 13:41.31 | Caleb| | you need to subscribe for ticket updates probably then to get email |
| 13:45.28 | mitch0 | ah, after 5 mins of hunting, I found the option éÖ |
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| 13:50.03 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: you have to manually set up subscriptions, otherwise it won't (idk why the system doesn't auto-subscribe authors, should have opt-in be the default) |
| 13:50.15 | mckenziemc | imo |
| 13:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | Freedom from Big Brother, iimo -- opt in to what YOU want, not what you think everyone should want. |
| 13:52.36 | mckenziemc | if there was an 'automatically enable all subscriptions on addons i create' option in authors' personal profiles, maybe |
| 13:53.58 | Kraps | ima get my gun Lopeppeppy |
| 13:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, Kraps! I need some possum for the stew for lunch, if you're goin' huntin'. |
| 13:55.24 | sylvanaar_work | which do you use Chrome stable or Chrome beta |
| 13:55.37 | mckenziemc | neither |
| 13:55.46 | sylvanaar_work | well, chrome users |
| 13:55.50 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 13:57.36 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: my business is huntin nahtzies, and business is a-boomin |
| 14:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | big ba da boom? |
| 14:03.42 | industrial | BOOM HEADSHOT |
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| 14:08.45 | sylvanaar_work | that was a great movie |
| 14:09.38 | mckenziemc | hmm, i found this in quadrapassel's source code, is it an abritrary header or is it a standard form of markup: |
| 14:09.39 | mckenziemc | /* -*- mode:C++; tab-width:8; c-basic-offset:8; indent-tabs-mode:true -*- */ |
| 14:10.01 | Grum | its to tell editors stuff |
| 14:10.15 | Grum | that it's c++, the tabs should be 8 wide, etc etc |
| 14:10.22 | mckenziemc | yes i know, but is it a standard or is it abritrary to this project |
| 14:11.16 | mitch0 | it's specific to one (or more) editors |
| 14:11.19 | mitch0 | probably |
| 14:11.31 | mckenziemc | ah. any idea which? |
| 14:12.14 | sylvanaar_work | the mac app store is open |
| 14:12.34 | sylvanaar_work | i dont remember who i was talking about that with |
| 14:12.42 | mitch0 | could be VS |
| 14:16.04 | mitch0 | emacs rather |
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| 14:18.06 | sylvanaar_work | i thought it was vim |
| 14:19.15 | industrial | its not vim |
| 14:19.17 | mitch0 | no, it seems to be emacs |
| 14:19.54 | industrial | whichever, code artifacts are ugly |
| 14:20.02 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, you are right emacs |
| 14:20.29 | industrial | why would anyone else care what your input mode or indent setting are :P |
| 14:20.40 | industrial | fix your editor >_> |
| 14:20.47 | industrial | grumbles back to work |
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| 14:22.48 | Grum | industrial: because your settings can be different from other people, this way you simply force them to be 'good for that project' making stupid formatting mistakes less likely |
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| 14:24.34 | alestane | Station |
| 14:24.35 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:24.50 | industrial | Grum: preventing a fire is better then extinguishing it |
| 14:25.09 | karl_w_w | only you can prevent forest fires |
| 14:26.25 | mckenziemc | industrial: and how would you 'prevent' the issue |
| 14:26.44 | industrial | agree on practises beforehand |
| 14:27.12 | mckenziemc | that's what the header does... |
| 14:29.05 | industrial | no, people agree on things |
| 14:29.30 | mckenziemc | computers agreeing on things > people agreeing on things |
| 14:29.50 | industrial | my argument > your argument |
| 14:30.09 | mckenziemc | you open the file with a compatible editor, poof it either adjusts your settings to match, or converts the file to the user's preferred format, then back when it's saved |
| 14:31.44 | mckenziemc | i am, however, assuming the header is not merely 'this is how the last writer formatted the file' |
| 14:32.16 | Kraps | the guardian has a pretty good game blog http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2011/jan/04/game-concepts-in-2011 |
| 14:37.25 | Kraps | "Look, we undertand that Armageddon isn't going to be a barrel of laughs, but can someone please imagine a dystopia that doesn't revolve around homoerotic biker gangs, villages made of piled up car parts and Government-sponsored death gangs?" |
| 14:40.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like to see at least a few independent death-gangs, to keep the markets vital and strong. |
| 14:40.45 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:40.55 | mckenziemc | well, there's Fisker |
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| 14:42.16 | mckenziemc | does the Curse Client work in WINE? |
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| 14:43.40 | alestane | i.e., Why does the near future always look like Mad Max? |
| 14:44.14 | Kraps | wtb CoD: The Civil War |
| 14:47.41 | cremetorte | my addon has dependencies. i saw it with other addons they created an Libs Folder in their addon folder. how i set the dependencies in my .toc file then? |
| 14:48.47 | alestane | If you make your dependencies into libraries, they're not dependencies anymore, but you're responsible for loading them yourself. |
| 14:48.56 | cremetorte | ok i see thanks |
| 14:49.16 | cremetorte | and to load a certain lib i do with .. ? |
| 14:49.21 | alestane | Typically by referring to them in your .toc file like any other .lua or .xml file in your addon. |
| 14:49.36 | cremetorte | is there certain command or shall i just include them in my .toc file like Libs\... |
| 14:49.47 | alestane | i.e., add a line before your own files like |
| 14:49.47 | cremetorte | ok thats what i thought thanks again |
| 14:50.08 | alestane | Libs/Dewdrop-2.0/DewDrop.xml or whatever. |
| 14:55.20 | cremetorte | is it possible that the libs are loaded after my main.lua file although in the .toc file they are listed first ( the libs ) |
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| 14:57.44 | mckenziemc | they will load in the order they are listed in the .toc |
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| 14:58.48 | cremetorte | damnit i dont see the error then. when i male ## Dependencies Ace3, LibBabble-Boss-3.0, LibBabble-Zone-3.0 everything works properly but load them manual in toc file does not work now .. |
| 14:59.43 | mckenziemc | are you working on a publicly available addon |
| 14:59.55 | mckenziemc | ie. am i able to look at the files somewhere |
| 15:01.15 | cremetorte | yes but its not uplaoded yet because it does not work ^^ |
| 15:01.37 | cremetorte | its public but i am the only author i will figure it out tonight because i got to go |
| 15:01.43 | cremetorte | thank you for your help so far |
| 15:02.10 | mckenziemc | you're using the actual file names for the dependencies not just the library names, right? eg. Libs\LibBabble-Boss-3.0\lib.xml as opposed to just LibBabbble-Boss-3.0 |
| 15:02.55 | cremetorte | yes but i solved just right now |
| 15:03.00 | cremetorte | i had a look on another addon |
| 15:03.06 | cremetorte | they used an embeds.xml |
| 15:03.19 | cremetorte | containing <Script file="Libs\LibStub\LibStub.lua"/> |
| 15:03.19 | cremetorte | <Include file="Libs\LibBabble-Boss-3.0\lib.xml"/> |
| 15:03.19 | cremetorte | <Include file="Libs\LibBabble-Zone-3.0\lib.xml"/> |
| 15:03.19 | cremetorte | <Include file="Libs\AceLocale-3.0\AceLocale-3.0.xml"/> |
| 15:03.28 | cremetorte | somehow that workd |
| 15:03.32 | cremetorte | *worked |
| 15:03.36 | mckenziemc | yeah that's one way to do it |
| 15:03.50 | mitch0 | have you listed LibStub in your .toc? |
| 15:03.58 | cremetorte | i didnt before |
| 15:04.06 | mitch0 | probably that was your issue |
| 15:04.13 | cremetorte | i also think so :) |
| 15:04.32 | cremetorte | i got to upload that and got to go so maybe later i try it to other way |
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| 16:06.06 | boshi23 | what picture formats are supported for create textures ? |
| 16:06.15 | alestane | tga, blp |
| 16:06.28 | boshi23 | thanks |
| 16:06.59 | A-KO | wow blizzard |
| 16:07.00 | A-KO | just wow |
| 16:07.01 | A-KO | Omen of Clarity now procs from damage spells and attacks instead of proc from damage and healing spells. |
| 16:07.03 | alestane | Dimensions have to be powers of 2, but you can use texture coordinates to ignore unwanted parts of the image. |
| 16:07.30 | alestane | It used to proc only from white melee attacks, A-KO. |
| 16:07.45 | boshi23 | i was hoping for png support, maybe in the future |
| 16:08.17 | alestane | About the only thing it can do with PNGs is save screenshots. |
| 16:08.37 | alestane | And there's no real advantage for them to add support for PNGs. |
| 16:09.08 | A-KO | alestane: Right now, druids are running severely oom--the change they mde to rejuv only makes us use rejuv more, but it doesn't change the fact that we're still running severely oom |
| 16:09.41 | alestane | I'm not the person to tell it to, A-KO. |
| 16:10.11 | alestane | Sorry, that came out sounding snippy. |
| 16:13.04 | alestane | I've only healed as a druid up to about 60, because once I hit Underbog another druid started bitching at me that I wasn't supposed to queue as a healer unless I was spec'd Restoration. And not at all since Cata. So I know nothing of the state of druid healing. |
| 16:14.02 | A-KO | Paragon's been benching resto druids |
| 16:14.07 | A-KO | for progressoin raids |
| 16:14.10 | A-KO | we can't keep up with the other healers |
| 16:14.12 | ProNihilist | I'm 84 on my druid, I thought I just sucked when I began running out of mana in vortex pinnacle and stuff >_> |
| 16:14.21 | A-KO | and blizzard goes and buffs the other healers |
| 16:14.23 | A-KO | yet nerfs us |
| 16:14.31 | A-KO | I *rarely* get this outraged |
| 16:14.32 | A-KO | but holy shit |
| 16:14.40 | A-KO | I've played my resto druid since Dec 04 |
| 16:14.47 | A-KO | been through a hell of a lot, played with a lot of different things |
| 16:14.53 | alestane | If it's that crippling, they'll end up correcting it in some way. |
| 16:14.53 | A-KO | and even laughed at people that used the stop casting macros back in the day |
| 16:14.56 | A-KO | but this is just insane |
| 16:15.14 | A-KO | alestane: It's already crippling, it's been crippling for weeks. Top druids are posting at how crippling it is. |
| 16:15.16 | A-KO | And yet they go and nerf us |
| 16:15.18 | A-KO | awesome response |
| 16:15.20 | A-KO | fantastic |
| 16:15.29 | ProNihilist | A-KO: but if I didn't stopcasting my priest might miss out on a huge mana regen tick D: |
| 16:16.14 | Lopeppeppy | I remember being benched as a paladin healer because we couldn't keep up with the other classes... *sigh* |
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| 16:16.47 | alestane | Trying to keep all the classes in a role distinct and interesting means making it hard to compare them directly to each other. |
| 16:17.12 | alestane | And Blizzard's changes have frequently been exploratory, rather than definitive. |
| 16:17.24 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: when was this? I remember in SSC/TK, our healer group was usually one druid or priest and three paladins |
| 16:17.52 | Lopeppeppy | It was after then... the plate itemization really fell behind, and paladins just could not stay competitively geared for a while. |
| 16:18.08 | alestane | They might be trying to determine how swingy Omen is, and whether they need to introduce some more predictable mechanic, for instance. |
| 16:19.34 | alestane | Deliberately trying to remove a particular class and role from a given niche or play style (such as making it impossible for druids to heal PvE content) is never their actual goal. You wanna be frustrated because they seem to miss the point, fine. But they don't do it because they hate you. |
| 16:20.34 | alestane | Well, I misspeak. They might, for instance decide that Resto Shamans should not be as effective tanks as they are (as a hypothesis). But that's because that's not what they're for. |
| 16:21.22 | A-KO | alestane: Yes, but how much pain do the restoration druids have to suffer before they realize shit's severely broken? I mean, they implement this change for this patch--how long until the next patch that impements the next fixes? 3-6 months? I mean |
| 16:21.24 | A-KO | this is just dumb |
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| 16:21.32 | A-KO | It's absolutely flat out retarded |
| 16:21.46 | A-KO | druid healing right now is so god damn retardedly broken |
| 16:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | I expect that depends on how much constructive feedback they get, with good numbers they can test independently to reach the same conclusions. |
| 16:21.53 | alestane | Hard to say, given the rate at which they've been hotfixing a lot of things. |
| 16:22.04 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: Paragon's druid leader wrote up a significantly long post about it |
| 16:22.06 | A-KO | like 2 weeks ago |
| 16:22.13 | alestane | One data point. |
| 16:22.22 | A-KO | yes, one data point, from a guild who's 12/12 heroics |
| 16:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | They need more points, written constructively, so they can test and re-test. |
| 16:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | One french fry doesn't make a Happy Meal. |
| 16:23.13 | alestane | They'll consider input from sources like that in my understanding, but they're not simply going to accept that that one guy understands the druid perfectly and they should just hire him to design the druid class for them. |
| 16:23.17 | A-KO | What data points do they need? They just need to make themselves a damn 85 resto druid in 346-359 gear and go heal with it |
| 16:23.20 | A-KO | and paly it for 24 hours |
| 16:23.23 | A-KO | and realize how terrible it is |
| 16:24.00 | nevcairiel | You complain too much, i'm pretty happy with my druid |
| 16:25.12 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I *rarely* if ever complain about the resto druid, since I've played it since 2004. |
| 16:25.16 | A-KO | but this is just insane |
| 16:26.14 | nevcairiel | I have no idea what you mean. I can heal all the fights we did so far, and come out at equal healing as the other healers |
| 16:27.06 | nevcairiel | (thats 12/12 normal, starting heroics today) |
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| 16:29.01 | alestane | ...the PTR client download link takes me to the media page. |
| 16:30.15 | nevcairiel | EU does that too |
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| 16:41.40 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.13 | cbreak | I'd expect it to require a hardware event |
| 16:42.24 | olafski | yeah in that case the whole idea isn't going to work ;) |
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| 17:32.39 | pigeon | is there a reference on all the valid xml tags for the ui xml? |
| 17:33.29 | foxlit | There's an XSD file included in FrameXML. |
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| 17:34.24 | pigeon | ah got it, thanks |
| 17:45.52 | Shirik | !!! |
| 17:45.55 | Shirik | (12:31:41)  -› Quit: christel` (~PsiJackof@187.102.203.119) (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) |
| 17:46.00 | Shirik | Poor christel |
| 17:46.12 | Shirik | though it was actually an impersonator, but still amusing to see |
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| 17:50.58 | kd3 | whistles at the size of the ptr build |
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| 17:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | Are links going to the download now, and not to the media page? |
| 17:55.49 | kd3 | dunno, I just fired up my copy of the ptr |
| 17:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh ho. |
| 17:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | You're wicked smart. :) |
| 17:57.34 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:58.34 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 17:58.41 | kd3 | yep? |
| 17:58.52 | TC-Work | trolled |
| 17:58.54 | Fisker | oh it's like that, can't greet a buddy anymore :( |
| 17:58.57 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:59.02 | Fisker | you know chinese? |
| 18:00.06 | Fisker | :( Shirik |
| 18:00.30 | Kraps_ | i'm at work but OMG "Grace can now be active on multiple targets at a time." |
| 18:00.42 | Shirik | fuck discipline priests |
| 18:01.23 | Kraps_ | no Shirik |
| 18:01.27 | Kraps_ | fuck you |
| 18:01.28 | Shirik | yes Kraps |
| 18:01.36 | Kraps_ | sir |
| 18:07.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:07.29 | Fisker | srsly |
| 18:07.33 | Fisker | did you know chinese or not? |
| 18:09.39 | Lopeppeppy | What's a girl to do, to hear such propositions and not be included. *tragic sniff* |
| 18:12.04 | TC-Work | pleasure herself? |
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| 18:14.12 | Kraps_ | ho TC-Work! |
| 18:17.08 | Kraps_ | what percentage of wow player actually roll FOTM classes? with all the QQ it seems like a ton do |
| 18:17.45 | Shirik | Fisker, srsly, no |
| 18:18.09 | durcyn | why not, Shirik |
| 18:18.12 | durcyn | everyone should know chinese |
| 18:18.20 | Shirik | I don't disagree with that, but I don't |
| 18:18.25 | nevcairiel | Kraps_: they just QQ all the time, while the other players dont |
| 18:19.48 | Shirik | is there a good character audit site these days? |
| 18:19.56 | Shirik | be.imba is apparently a pos when it comes to cata |
| 18:20.03 | Kraps_ | nevcairiel: how does changing the class you play every time theres a patch even make sense? :/ |
| 18:20.22 | kd3 | chuckles |
| 18:20.24 | TC-Work | Kraps_: whats with the tail? |
| 18:20.32 | Shirik | Kraps_: If you suck, it's the only way to be considered decent |
| 18:21.22 | Kraps_ | i shouldnt be talking though, disc got huge buffs :p |
| 18:22.11 | Kraps_ | but seriously, i'm only on my second main after 2 years of playing |
| 18:22.41 | Shirik | disc suuuuuucks |
| 18:22.57 | Shirik | I should be fair |
| 18:22.59 | Kraps_ | and i didnt switch because of buffs or nerfs, i just got sick of tanking |
| 18:23.01 | Shirik | disc is just different |
| 18:24.44 | Kraps_ | Shirik: also awesome |
| 18:24.49 | Shirik | no |
| 18:24.51 | Shirik | holy is awesome |
| 18:25.05 | Kraps_ | no |
| 18:25.55 | Kraps_ | maybe, i never tried it |
| 18:26.33 | Fisker | Shirik, srsly, why not? |
| 18:26.34 | Shirik | Dude they buffed the hell out of lightwell |
| 18:26.42 | Shirik | it's consistently showing up as one of my best healing spells |
| 18:27.13 | Shirik | but yeah, holy I think is probably one of the best raid healers right now |
| 18:27.25 | Shirik | disc is much better at single target healing |
| 18:27.35 | Shirik | ... which, btw, is why this grace change makes little sense, despite it being interesting |
| 18:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lolwell gives good koolaid? |
| 18:28.44 | Adys | !api QUEST_LOG_UPDATE |
| 18:28.44 | lua_bot | QUEST_LOG_UPDATE: Fires when the game client receives updates relating to the player's quest log (this event is not just related to the quests inside it) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/QUEST_LOG_UPDATE) |
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| 18:29.22 | Kraps_ | Shirik: yes disc is single target healing, but we shouldnt have to go into insane contortions when theres aoe damage |
| 18:29.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:30.00 | Shirik | you should |
| 18:30.14 | Kraps_ | no u |
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| 18:31.55 | Fisker | Shirik dude |
| 18:33.35 | Kraps_ | catch ya on the other side |
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| 18:42.05 | alestane | I don't think the beta client is compatible with the PTR. |
| 18:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | this sounds probable |
| 18:44.27 | alestane | BRB, reboot. |
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| 18:50.51 | Lunessa | needs caffeine, stat. |
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| 19:00.13 | Lopeppeppy | gives Lunessa all of hers. She's cold turkey. |
| 19:01.37 | Fisker | BLIZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD |
| 19:01.46 | Fisker | gj on not giving ptr accounts cataclysm |
| 19:03.57 | nevcairiel | you have a ptr account? |
| 19:05.22 | Fisker | Bug Fixes |
| 19:05.22 | Fisker | Many bugs... handled them! |
| 19:05.22 | Fisker | jerks |
| 19:05.25 | Fisker | yeah nevcairiel |
| 19:05.30 | Fisker | two actually |
| 19:05.35 | Fisker | the ptr account and the beta account |
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| 19:07.58 | Fisker | you don't have one nevcairiel ? |
| 19:16.47 | industrial | Fisker manhandles bugs |
| 19:17.01 | industrial | Cause he's a real man! |
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| 19:19.06 | sylvanaar_work | have you guys found the client yet? |
| 19:19.20 | industrial | D:\Games\World of Warcraft\ |
| 19:19.31 | sylvanaar_work | ptr |
| 19:20.45 | Fisker | i already got it |
| 19:20.49 | sylvanaar_work | how |
| 19:21.22 | sylvanaar_work | some old ptr client? |
| 19:21.42 | Fisker | very |
| 19:21.45 | Fisker | doesn't matter anyway |
| 19:21.49 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 19:21.50 | Fisker | our accounts aren't cataclysm enabled |
| 19:22.10 | sylvanaar_work | dont ptrs go up on saturdays |
| 19:22.20 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:22.26 | Fisker | almost always thursdays or fridays |
| 19:22.39 | sylvanaar_work | used to always be saturday |
| 19:22.49 | Fisker | never |
| 19:22.53 | sylvanaar_work | lies |
| 19:23.02 | Fisker | maybe sometimes it was so late on friday that it was saturday morning in EU |
| 19:23.07 | Fisker | but that's about as close as it got |
| 19:23.23 | sylvanaar_work | maybe you guys got the ptr a day behind us |
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| 19:24.13 | sylvanaar_work | i dunno, i could be totally wrong |
| 19:24.28 | sylvanaar_work | anyhow, i wonder why this small patch warranted a ptr |
| 19:24.51 | Fisker | because they fixed a lot of bugs they won't disclose |
| 19:24.57 | sylvanaar_work | i see |
| 19:25.10 | Fisker | also it doesn't matter since we're not cataclysm enabled anyway |
| 19:25.17 | Fisker | blizzard can't computer |
| 19:25.22 | sylvanaar_work | they'll figure it out |
| 19:25.29 | sylvanaar_work | on saturday |
| 19:25.48 | sylvanaar_work | lols |
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| 19:26.11 | Fisker | maybe they will, but probably they wont |
| 19:26.41 | Fisker | blizzard is even notorious for letting europeans wait until monday to PTR because they made X change or mistake |
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| 19:53.00 | kd3 | grr. character locked |
| 19:53.08 | kd3 | gets to extracting the UI instead |
| 19:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 19:53.38 | Lopeppeppy | Character copied, achievement locked? |
| 19:55.53 | karl_w_w | "# Counterspell no longer generates a high amount of threat." |
| 19:55.56 | karl_w_w | lol? |
| 19:56.05 | kd3 | not that it ever generated a high amount of threat |
| 19:56.09 | karl_w_w | counterspell generates exactly 100 threat and always has |
| 19:57.32 | alestane | A family member's Facebook status claims she just got out of jury duty by prefacing every sentence with "According to the prophecy,". |
| 19:57.56 | durcyn | shirk civic duty, civilizations were built to collapse. |
| 19:58.13 | kd3 | contempt of court wha? |
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| 19:59.24 | kd3 | hm. 44k line diff |
| 19:59.27 | kd3 | wonders what broke |
| 20:00.05 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 20:00.07 | Fisker | i'm staring |
| 20:00.25 | Fisker | also kd3 i already said that blizzard failed :< |
| 20:00.32 | Fisker | our ptr accounts aren't cataclysm enabled |
| 20:00.40 | Fisker | tell your contacts to FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT |
| 20:00.58 | kd3 | I've already sent a few emails |
| 20:01.10 | kd3 | top men are on it. top. men. |
| 20:01.55 | Fisker | sweet |
| 20:02.03 | Fisker | i need to access my holy cow |
| 20:02.22 | karl_w_w | there's a snake in ma boots! |
| 20:02.45 | Lopeppeppy | Top women are preventing them from leaving the kitchen, however, so you'll be waiting forever. |
| 20:02.53 | kd3 | good grief. nothing broke on my end. it looks like they rewrote a third of the UI |
| 20:02.54 | kd3 | wtfs |
| 20:03.20 | nevcairiel | thats good, i guess |
| 20:03.21 | nevcairiel | share! |
| 20:03.28 | kd3 | sec |
| 20:06.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes they re-write stuffs. |
| 20:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | On principle. |
| 20:06.13 | Fisker | they should |
| 20:06.25 | Lopeppeppy | Every now and then, I suppose it's good form. |
| 20:07.57 | durcyn | i wouldn't be surprised if that's how they haze new interns |
| 20:08.29 | alestane | There are, or perhaps were, huge piles of legacy code in dark corners of the attic. |
| 20:09.16 | durcyn | still a few piles, in my experience |
| 20:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure there will always be a skeleton or two around, but sweeping them out a bit at a time is the only way to make sure there wasn't a useful bone or two in the pile. |
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| 20:10.43 | kd3 | emails away |
| 20:11.10 | durcyn | the spell cooldown API could catch on fire tomorrow and no one would shed a tear, Lopeppeppy. |
| 20:12.11 | Shirik | ~wiki Faget dumbass |
| 20:13.03 | kd3 | ooh |
| 20:13.09 | kd3 | just got to framexml.toc |
| 20:13.15 | kd3 | -SecureGroupHeaders |
| 20:13.32 | alestane | Hmm? |
| 20:13.39 | nevcairiel | wth |
| 20:13.47 | nevcairiel | oh well, raiding right now |
| 20:13.48 | kd3 | I'm assuming it got refactored into something else |
| 20:13.50 | nevcairiel | will have to read them later |
| 20:13.55 | kd3 | is still mousewheel-scrolling through the diff |
| 20:14.12 | Shirik | wonders if they fixed the dropdown pains |
| 20:15.20 | Fisker | you are a faget dumbass Shirik |
| 20:15.23 | Fisker | for deleting it |
| 20:16.20 | Fisker | -ACTION_SPELL_CAST_START_FULL_TEXT = "%1$s begins casting %2$s at %4$s."; |
| 20:16.20 | Fisker | +ACTION_SPELL_CAST_START_FULL_TEXT = "Something begins casting %2$s at %4$s."; |
| 20:16.25 | Fisker | i don't get it kd3 |
| 20:16.32 | kd3 | I just saw that |
| 20:16.38 | kd3 | is still pondering |
| 20:19.08 | Fisker | +ERR_REFORGE_ALREADY_HAS_DST_STAT = "REFORGE_ALREADY_HAS_DST_STAT"; |
| 20:19.10 | Fisker | weird too :o |
| 20:22.30 | nevcairiel | -elseif ( type(val) == "boolean" ) then |
| 20:22.31 | nevcairiel | +elseif ( type(val) == "bool" ) then |
| 20:22.33 | nevcairiel | whats with that |
| 20:22.41 | nevcairiel | lua> type(true) |
| 20:22.44 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: boolean |
| 20:22.53 | alestane | That sounds like a bug. |
| 20:23.02 | sylvanaar_work | el oh el |
| 20:23.08 | alestane | Anywhere I have to worry about? |
| 20:23.18 | nevcairiel | debugtools |
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| 20:23.27 | alestane | So no. |
| 20:23.31 | sylvanaar_work | oh man the irony |
| 20:23.45 | nevcairiel | there are 2 lines changed in that file |
| 20:23.48 | nevcairiel | why do that |
| 20:23.58 | alestane | I'll grant it doesn't make much sense. |
| 20:24.04 | sylvanaar_work | maybe they need a bug to test debugtools |
| 20:24.13 | nevcairiel | that wont error |
| 20:24.16 | nevcairiel | just not pass that check |
| 20:24.22 | nevcairiel | maybe their lua was changed? |
| 20:24.24 | nevcairiel | who knows! |
| 20:24.27 | karl_w_w | Shirik: do wikipedia vandals ever use correct grammar and spelling? |
| 20:24.33 | sylvanaar_work | man that would break so much |
| 20:24.34 | airtonix | lol chrome prevents F5 |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | only the good ones |
| 20:24.40 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 20:27.11 | kd3 | if anyone else wants the email full of blizz wtfery, /msg me an email address and I'll forward it to you |
| 20:27.33 | nevcairiel | I like how they work on the ui more |
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| 20:28.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so tempted, because I want to see wtfery, but I suspect it's all in code and over my Pretty Peppy Head. |
| 20:29.10 | nevcairiel | they glyphui seems to remove some references to prime glyphs |
| 20:29.11 | nevcairiel | weird |
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| 20:30.42 | Fisker | they put a new account security thingy in the ticket frame |
| 20:32.07 | Jamash | o Warlock Bug Fixes: Curse of Exhaustion was found to be useful. This was an unintended change and has been reverted. |
| 20:32.08 | nevcairiel | the actionbutton code looks like a revert to pre-4.0 |
| 20:32.14 | nevcairiel | all the spell overlays are gone |
| 20:32.25 | nevcairiel | maybe moved elsewhere, if i can find it :P |
| 20:32.33 | nevcairiel | but alot of stuff looks like old versions tbh :( |
| 20:33.29 | nevcairiel | you sure your extract is right |
| 20:33.54 | kd3 | I'm confident. I'd call it 85% |
| 20:34.26 | nevcairiel | your groupheader change would be in line with that |
| 20:34.33 | nevcairiel | it was split out of the other files in 4.0 |
| 20:35.00 | alestane | Anyone have a copy of the PTR downloader? |
| 20:35.06 | alestane | For mac, that is? |
| 20:35.16 | nevcairiel | you can probably trick the launcher into downloading it somehow |
| 20:35.22 | kd3 | crap. I think I may have extracted an old version. wtf |
| 20:35.33 | alestane | Sounds like it, kd3. |
| 20:35.44 | Fisker | "That's another real person playing a character. You can tell by the blue name above their head."; |
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| 20:40.45 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:40.50 | airtonix | and therefore |
| 20:40.52 | airtonix | not a bot |
| 20:41.58 | airtonix | "hi our page is secure and hacker-proof because we put the words secure and hacker-proof in the footer" |
| 20:42.49 | bleeter | question borne from my curiosity: just noticed a level 1 bank alt of mine has /played total time 4d14h59m42s but total played at this level is 9 mins less, 4d14h40m15s. |
| 20:43.04 | bleeter | so I'm wondering wtf happened to the nine mins |
| 20:43.22 | bleeter | or am I missing something (apart from a strong cuppa coffee this morn) |
| 20:43.57 | airtonix | 19mins? |
| 20:44.02 | Lopeppeppy | Server restarts? Hiccups? Ants in his pants? |
| 20:44.08 | bleeter | 19mins, yeah |
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| 20:45.44 | alestane | A-KO: "Omen of Clarity can no longer trigger from helpful spells (aka heals), unless the Restoration talent Malfurion's Gift is chosen." |
| 20:46.12 | alestane | So you do in fact, still get Omen from heals, but only if you're spec'd as a healer. |
| 20:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, Malfurion is putting prezzies under the tree? How thoughtful. |
| 20:46.22 | nevcairiel | people shouldnt value data parsing on mmo-c over official notes :p |
| 20:49.03 | Dagmar | F**k |
| 20:49.10 | alestane | "Bug Fixes: Many bugs... handled them!" |
| 20:49.12 | Dagmar | Looks like they decided to end pet-tanking |
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| 20:49.37 | Dagmar | "Pets now have 70% of the master's armor, rather than a different value based on which type of pet they are." <--- seems pretty f**king stupid actually |
| 20:50.09 | bleeter | apropos of not much else: Still waiting for Blizz to create mining nodes of [Amirite] |
| 20:50.20 | Dagmar | If a pet's going to only have 70% of the armor of their master, then why the fuck shoudn't the hunter just get in there and tank it himself |
| 20:51.47 | karl_w_w | because the hunter can't heal himself. |
| 20:52.37 | bleeter | still, it's a bit of a blow to the whole unique pet foo |
| 20:54.39 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: So what? The reason hunters have pets is so they dont' get beaten to death |
| 20:54.52 | Dagmar | ...now the pet is likely to take _even more damage than the hunter would?_ |
| 20:54.54 | Dagmar | That's crazy |
| 20:55.52 | alestane | But the pet is taking it, not the hunter. |
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| 20:56.36 | Dagmar | Ah so once the pet is dead, then the hunter can tank |
| 20:56.55 | Dagmar | Mend pet is not _that_ spectacular |
| 20:57.10 | karl_w_w | it's better than nothing |
| 20:57.11 | Dagmar | Looks like we're back to BC days where hunter pets can't tank a stiff breeze |
| 20:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | If Tank A has more health and armor than Tank B, why on earth would we have Tank B doing the work? As in, stuff the actual hunter in, if his bear isn't more sturdy than he is. |
| 20:57.34 | alestane | Also, are you talking about a solo hunter keeping mobs off himself with his pet, or a hunter pet tanking for a group? |
| 20:58.02 | Dagmar | The two cases are pretty much the same. |
| 20:58.25 | Dagmar | If a pet can't tank then it doesnt' matter if it can't tank for one person or four |
| 20:58.45 | karl_w_w | except in 1 case the alternative is a real tank and the mobs hit harder, and in the other case the hunter melees |
| 20:58.48 | kd3 | grr. they've shifted the data in the mpqs about. I see it, but it's just not extracting properly. rgrr |
| 20:59.08 | Dagmar | Might as well just be a visible artifact from a DoT like those little hairy imps Warlocks get with Bane of Doom |
| 20:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, cute fuzzy demons. |
| 20:59.53 | alestane | So, are you expecting your pet to die before you can kill an outdoor mob? |
| 21:00.29 | Dagmar | That might well happen |
| 21:00.57 | Dagmar | There is no point to the _tenacity tree_ if even those pets can't tank |
| 21:01.06 | Dagmar | All they are is pointlessly lowered DPS |
| 21:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | Might as well boost their DPS rather than any tanking ability, kill mobs faster if they can't off-tank 'em. |
| 21:01.46 | airtonix | that hurts my brain |
| 21:02.03 | Dagmar | ...and then ferocity and tenacity become one and the same agaion. |
| 21:02.07 | Lopeppeppy | Would you like a squeegee? |
| 21:02.32 | zenzelezz | ultimately it's up to Blizzard to decide what they want (hunter) pets' role to be, but to me they were meant to, you know, let the hunter stay at range from mobs |
| 21:02.35 | alestane | Tenacity pets have talents that raise their armor, don't they? |
| 21:02.43 | Dagmar | Keep in ming that they're talking about 70% of _mail_ armor |
| 21:02.45 | Dagmar | Not plate. |
| 21:03.02 | karl_w_w | i know the world has ended |
| 21:03.15 | karl_w_w | your pet wont be able to tank instances any more |
| 21:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, that might mean my fox pet can tank, instead of just the bear pets. |
| 21:03.22 | zenzelezz | hm, that'd be cool - let pets wear mail (or plate for certain families)... our mounts do after all |
| 21:03.28 | nevcairiel | all the fox can do is dance |
| 21:03.29 | Lopeppeppy | has a baby baby foxy pet. |
| 21:03.39 | Dagmar | alestane: Apparently not anymore |
| 21:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | We dance well though! |
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| 21:04.53 | alestane | Doesn't say the talents have been stripped, I think it means that for instance, a turtle will not have higher armor than a spider just because it is a turtle. |
| 21:05.17 | Dagmar | alestane: Except it's supposed to |
| 21:05.31 | nevcairiel | but it should, its a turtle |
| 21:05.38 | alestane | Do a turtle and a bear have the same armor, untalented? |
| 21:05.51 | Dagmar | alestane: Turtles are tenacity. Spiders are _cunning_ |
| 21:06.04 | alestane | Also, as much as it seems like it should, this sounds an awful lot like when they normalized pet attack speed. |
| 21:06.29 | alestane | So turtles can take Thick Hide and spiders can't presumably. |
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| 21:07.42 | Dagmar | Dude when was the last time you even looked a hunter pet talent trees? |
| 21:07.54 | alestane | Not that recently, I'll admit. |
| 21:08.16 | alestane | My highest hunter is 53, IIRC. |
| 21:08.50 | Dagmar | There is no Thick Hide talent. |
| 21:09.25 | alestane | No pet talents for increased armor, whatever they're called? |
| 21:09.42 | Dagmar | There's pet barding for Tenacity. 10% additional armor. |
| 21:10.38 | alestane | So a tenacity pet can still have more armor than a cunning or ferocity pet, just not more than the hunter. |
| 21:11.11 | alestane | But a hunter isn't just for absorbing damage more efficiently, it's also for keeping the target out of the hunter's melee range. |
| 21:11.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, technically. Just like in BC days when it just didn't make enough difference to matter which pet you used. |
| 21:11.42 | karl_w_w | which is what they were going for |
| 21:12.12 | Dagmar | I highly doubt they were looking to bring back the munchkininzed pets from BC days |
| 21:12.26 | alestane | So your argument sounds like, even if tenacity pets still have a higher TTL than ferocity or cunning, you doubt it will be higher enough to justify the lower DPS of those pets. |
| 21:12.57 | Dagmar | 70% of *mail* armor means it's not even going to be able to off-tank worth a crap |
| 21:14.00 | alestane | Well, I do suspect they were trying to get rid of "invite one DPS, get one tank free." |
| 21:14.32 | karl_w_w | why would they want pets to off-tank |
| 21:14.39 | Dagmar | Why? There's plenty of classes that works for? |
| 21:14.47 | Dagmar | Warriors, paladins, deathknights |
| 21:14.58 | alestane | Not at the same time, though. |
| 21:15.30 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.05 | alestane | WoW lost him a while ago, but yes. |
| 21:16.18 | Cairenn|afk | no no, re-read |
| 21:16.31 | Cairenn|afk | he hasn't just left WoW now (that was over a year ago) - he's left Blizz completely |
| 21:16.43 | alestane | I got that part. |
| 21:16.45 | kd3 | ! |
| 21:17.00 | alestane | And it is kind of sad. |
| 21:17.03 | Arrowmaster | when? |
| 21:17.11 | alestane | Just recently, I guess. |
| 21:17.13 | Cairenn|afk | before Christmas |
| 21:17.30 | alestane | Wants time for his own projects, and probably for his family. |
| 21:17.36 | Dagmar | Anyway, since freaking when have people been inviting hunters so their pets can tank? |
| 21:17.43 | Dagmar | Pet tanking is nerve-wracking and painful |
| 21:17.52 | Dagmar | An armor nerf like that is overkill |
| 21:17.54 | Arrowmaster | so not a juicy drama filled reason but a simple boring one? |
| 21:18.28 | karl_w_w | <Dagmar> Anyway, since freaking when have people been inviting hunters so their pets can tank? <- since never, because they're not supposed to |
| 21:18.46 | Dagmar | karl: Tell it to alestane, not me |
| 21:19.00 | KarlKFI|work | i dont wanna |
| 21:19.00 | Adys | kd3: what's wrong with your tools? |
| 21:19.42 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: Yeah, it's sad news :( |
| 21:19.47 | KarlKFI|work | he has kids |
| 21:19.55 | KarlKFI|work | blizzard IS your family |
| 21:19.59 | KarlKFI|work | you sleep there |
| 21:20.03 | kd3 | I dunno. I can see the ui file patches -- enUS/wow-update-enUS- instead of data/wow-update-*, but however I try to extract them I don't get them out |
| 21:20.36 | kd3 | also... :( |
| 21:20.37 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: what file:line is that? |
| 21:20.55 | Adys | kd3: "don't get them out"? |
| 21:21.00 | Adys | what are you using? |
| 21:21.10 | kd3 | ladik's extractor |
| 21:21.24 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: doesnt matter, its an old extract |
| 21:21.25 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: we did our first shattered halls run in TBC with a hunter pet tank, it was right after we got a key |
| 21:21.36 | Adys | version? we added some new format bullshit a couple weeks ago |
| 21:21.46 | foxlit | "Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3." |
| 21:21.47 | kd3 | downloaded it today just to make sure |
| 21:21.48 | foxlit | wheeeeee |
| 21:21.49 | kd3 | .357? |
| 21:21.55 | nevcairiel | foxlit: switched it with nourish |
| 21:21.56 | alestane | No kidding, Karl. When WotLK was in its last push, I think he was working 16-hour days. |
| 21:22.05 | zenzelezz | .45, anything less is just not powerful enough |
| 21:22.05 | kd3 | er 537 |
| 21:22.15 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: stupid tab complete with two karl's, go way |
| 21:22.17 | Arrowmaster | away |
| 21:22.25 | Adys | um |
| 21:22.33 | Adys | yeah |
| 21:22.44 | Adys | how large is the mpq you're trying to use? |
| 21:23.04 | foxlit | and rejuv is cheaper |
| 21:23.07 | foxlit | That's nice, I suppose. |
| 21:23.23 | KarlKFI|work | stop pinging me! |
| 21:23.26 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/144618 |
| 21:23.49 | Adys | oh crap its ptr format.. i forgot about this |
| 21:24.06 | Adys | kd3: are you able to extract from 13449? |
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| 21:24.20 | foxlit | bear nerfs, though |
| 21:24.32 | kd3 | all of the files in that one have the -P flag, so, nothing of use |
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| 21:24.40 | nevcairiel | dks got nerfed as well |
| 21:24.40 | Adys | meh |
| 21:24.47 | nevcairiel | guess tank adjustments overall |
| 21:25.01 | Adys | kd3: contacting ladik, but hes offline right now |
| 21:25.18 | Adys | kd3: any error msg or what not? |
| 21:25.24 | kd3 | nope |
| 21:26.30 | Adys | kd3: do you have some space to upload it? |
| 21:26.37 | Fisker | my throat got nerfed |
| 21:26.45 | kd3 | sec |
| 21:27.26 | Adys | brb |
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| 21:28.42 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.22 | Fisker | do some of you have something i can take down my throat to fix my sore throat? |
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| 21:30.51 | Alram | i have something for you Fisker but im unsure if it cures a sore throat |
| 21:31.05 | Fisker | do want |
| 21:31.16 | KarlKFI|work | -_- |
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| 21:35.57 | Adys | kd3: i meant the 53mb one |
| 21:36.18 | kd3 | it'll take me a while to upload that one |
| 21:36.20 | Lunessa | Fisker: Drink hot tea with honey and whiskey. Drink enough of it so that you stop bothering us because you're passed out drunk. That's a Win/Win deal right there. |
| 21:36.21 | kd3 | gimme a fwe |
| 21:36.23 | Adys | np |
| 21:36.30 | Dagmar | Lunessa++ |
| 21:37.21 | Adys | kd3: reached him; he's unavailable, but will take a look at it tomorrow morning |
| 21:37.24 | zenzelezz | in fairness, I don't think Fisker tends to bother us because he's passed out drunk |
| 21:37.43 | Adys | ill have a quick look at the structure meanwhile |
| 21:37.50 | Adys | but i cant update mpqedit |
| 21:38.09 | kd3 | ack. yay for shitty dsl. this'll be done in an hour |
| 21:38.14 | kd3 | winces again |
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| 21:44.38 | Lunessa | comforts kd3. |
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| 21:47.51 | Kraps | http://thisisindexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/IndexedOlympians2.jpg |
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| 21:50.15 | Fisker | harr harr kd3 |
| 21:50.17 | Fisker | you were wrong |
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| 21:51.14 | kd3 | not like I haven't done that before... >.< |
| 21:55.17 | Kraps | The mana cost of Renew has been reduced by 24% |
| 21:57.03 | Kraps | Bug Fixes * Many bugs... handled them! |
| 21:57.46 | Kraps | Character movement speed is now displayed on the Character Info window (C) with all other stats. |
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| 21:58.42 | Arrowmaster | current speed? |
| 21:59.11 | KarlKFI|work | doubt it |
| 21:59.13 | Kraps | sounds like it |
| 21:59.33 | KarlKFI|work | i'd bet it's just running speed |
| 21:59.37 | KarlKFI|work | with modifiers |
| 21:59.52 | KarlKFI|work | not mounted or current speed |
| 22:01.26 | Fisker | but i like you kd3 |
| 22:01.40 | KarlKFI|work | tho the other stats do show modifications from buffs... so maybe movement stat would too |
| 22:01.52 | KarlKFI|work | and since mounting provides a buff... |
| 22:02.32 | Arrowmaster | maybe they added an api to get max currently able speed |
| 22:02.41 | Dagmar | WTF is with the randomly entering combat thing |
| 22:02.41 | KarlKFI|work | probably wouldnt work for fly points or triggered movements tho |
| 22:03.09 | Xyphoid | Dagmar: in uldum? |
| 22:03.21 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: In Darnassus actually |
| 22:03.42 | Dagmar | Four times in the last ten minutes of going between the AH and the alchemy trainer |
| 22:03.55 | Dagmar | No sign whatsoever of what's causing it |
| 22:04.55 | bleeter | Dagmar: Fisker |
| 22:05.35 | Fisker | bleeter: Dagmar |
| 22:06.29 | Dagmar | I really doubt Fisker is causing it |
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| 22:09.22 | Pirate952 | anyone here using icehud? |
| 22:11.01 | kd3 | 30% done uploading. yay |
| 22:11.04 | kd3 | looks for a snack |
| 22:14.08 | Pirate952 | anyone have any idea how to change the hp text of player or target in icehud to a readable number, with spaces or commas for the thousand place values, so the hp isnt an unreadable number like 325425235265 |
| 22:14.29 | Parnic | Pirate952: type "/dog" and check how to format the numbers there |
| 22:14.41 | Pirate952 | thanks |
| 22:14.44 | Parnic | use /icehud, go to the Module Settings for the module you want. text is changeable under 'text settings' |
| 22:15.04 | Pirate952 | tyvm |
| 22:15.26 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:16.11 | karl_w_w | i hate people who cant work out corla beams |
| 22:17.43 | airtonix | karl_w_w, can you help me work out corla beams |
| 22:17.50 | foxlit | hate wow's sound config. |
| 22:17.58 | karl_w_w | you just airtonix them |
| 22:18.05 | airtonix | ok |
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| 22:18.23 | Pirate952 | parnic: how do you merge the [FractionalHP:HPColor:Bracket] with the [SeparateDigits(number,thousands=",",decimal=".")]? any idear? |
| 22:18.25 | foxlit | In particular, it's moronic that you can't mute combat sounds with muting boss speech or other PlaySound* effects. |
| 22:18.35 | foxlit | *without |
| 22:19.33 | Dagmar | Pirate952: You are overlooking something really obvious |
| 22:19.41 | Pirate952 | most likely ^^ |
| 22:19.48 | Dagmar | No, I mean _really_ obvious |
| 22:20.04 | Dagmar | When will _fractional HP_ involve a comma? |
| 22:20.04 | Pirate952 | i replace the first part COMPLETELY ? |
| 22:20.12 | Pirate952 | ahhhh |
| 22:20.14 | Pirate952 | lul |
| 22:20.20 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.54 | Pirate952 | i didnt know if i shud replace it completely as there is still :hpcolor:bracket |
| 22:21.26 | Dagmar | That depends on what you're trying to do |
| 22:21.34 | airtonix | Fisker, i prefer the blue ones |
| 22:21.36 | Parnic | i'm not a dogtag expert, but you can test it out in that test area of the /dog dialog |
| 22:22.04 | Dagmar | ...but applying a format meant for numbers greater than 1,000 to a fraction is insanity |
| 22:22.14 | zenzelezz | Slashdot: "Will Touch Screens Kill the Keyboard?" |
| 22:22.20 | zenzelezz | why are people so obsessed with touching things? |
| 22:22.32 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Not as long as humans have non-metallic fingers |
| 22:23.13 | Dagmar | The more important question is why does Slashdot keep slipping up and allowing "editors" to post crap articles like that |
| 22:25.00 | airtonix | how's your love affair with your ipad going ? |
| 22:26.24 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: agreed |
| 22:26.49 | Dagmar | The one saving grace of the idea is that since it's absolutely fucking torturous to try to write anything of length or merit on a "virtual keyboard" the people who write such dumbass articles will be less likely to waste our time with them once they've ditched their notebook for an iPad |
| 22:26.54 | zenzelezz | airtonix: we have two iPads at work (since we develop apps for them), and I just don't see why people like it |
| 22:27.09 | airtonix | HERETIC! |
| 22:27.57 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I can see why they like them, but I just don't see how it is they lose their minds and think everything they do should go through that interface |
| 22:28.22 | airtonix | lol http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Apple.html |
| 22:28.31 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I'm bad at seeing things from other people's perspectives |
| 22:28.48 | alestane | Touch screens will not kill the keyboard. Decent voice recognition is much more likely to do the job. |
| 22:29.06 | airtonix | kinetic v5.2 will |
| 22:29.42 | Dagmar | airtonix: I'm still waiting for the first porn game for that |
| 22:29.52 | Dagmar | You know it's going to happen, regardless of what Microsoft wants to think |
| 22:30.00 | airtonix | that won't come out till they introduce spatial force feedback fields |
| 22:30.35 | Dagmar | I'll even go so far as to say they'll probably have an option in the chat interface to immobiilize the arms of your avatar within the first week of that |
| 22:30.41 | zenzelezz | I really don't see what good a Kinect would be for porn games, unless you're into slapping |
| 22:31.30 | Pirate952 | [HPColor([SeparateDigits([HP],thousands=",",decimal=".")])]/[HPColor([SeparateDigits([MaxHP],thousands=",",decimal=".")])] |
| 22:31.31 | Dagmar | You forget Gabriels Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory |
| 22:31.38 | Pirate952 | that was annoying but it works lol |
| 22:31.46 | airtonix | jobsisgod.com |
| 22:32.02 | Dagmar | Remember, Sony's Playstation@Home had sort of roaming voice-chat for all of about three days |
| 22:32.32 | Dagmar | It was taken right the hell out because everywhere you went, and I do mean *everywhere* all you heard was kids spewing racist/sexist hate language |
| 22:33.00 | Dagmar | All that technology and the best thing they can think of to do with it is call complete strangers "niggers lul" |
| 22:33.25 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 22:33.33 | airtonix | too many words |
| 22:33.35 | Dagmar | So just imagine what the average Black Ops playing twelve-year-old is going to do with full body gesture support |
| 22:33.49 | Dagmar | The mind absolutely reels |
| 22:34.24 | zenzelezz | a whole new level to teabagging |
| 22:34.35 | zenzelezz | or was that Halo? |
| 22:34.36 | Dagmar | ...and public fapping. |
| 22:36.23 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/item=60276 << Did they just itemize a healer chest with no Spirit? |
| 22:37.23 | ZorbaTHut | haha "Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3." |
| 22:37.46 | Dagmar | You get spirit when you prove that you're a healer |
| 22:38.37 | Dagmar | Until you've got three stsacks of Lifebloom on someone, you're just a nuker pretending to be a healer for the mana regen |
| 22:40.06 | foxlit | Unfortunately, that's the four piece bonus :( |
| 22:42.22 | Lunessa | foxlit: That does look suspiciously wrong. |
| 22:42.59 | foxlit | Maybe it *is* balanced around the set bonus |
| 22:44.14 | Cide | besides |
| 22:44.22 | Cide | spirit is the stat you want just enough of, but not too much |
| 22:44.45 | foxlit | Meh, I'd take five bazillion spirit and just spam regrowth or something. |
| 22:45.03 | foxlit | 6k/1.5s is far, far away |
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| 22:46.22 | Cide | indeed |
| 22:47.23 | Shirik | My guildmates get mad at me when I say "if you have mana at the end of the fight, you have too much spirit" |
| 22:47.33 | Shirik | Then they get mad at me when I'm a more effective healer |
| 22:47.39 | Cide | it's true |
| 22:47.50 | Cide | but only in an ideal world :) |
| 22:48.12 | Cide | if you consistently have mana left over throughout the whole fight you should regem/reforge for less spirit for sure though |
| 22:49.27 | Lunessa | As an enhancement shaman, I never seem to run out of mana... until I have to heal. |
| 22:51.08 | Cide | same |
| 22:51.20 | Cide | as a holy priest I never run out of mana until I start healing either |
| 22:51.50 | Xyphoid | same with my DK |
| 22:52.20 | Cide | unrelated |
| 22:52.24 | Cide | lightwell is ridiculously awesome |
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| 22:53.07 | Xyphoid | on that note is there any way to tell charges left on it |
| 22:53.25 | Cide | it disappears |
| 22:54.25 | Xyphoid | but there's no way to see 'hey there are 9 charges left i should use it while tanking even if it gets clipped since nobody else is' |
| 22:54.33 | Cide | no |
| 22:54.47 | Cide | mod-trackable though |
| 22:54.55 | Slaren | do a /target lightwell |
| 22:55.05 | Slaren | then you can see it having a buff with the number of charges left :p |
| 22:55.20 | Cide | really? |
| 22:55.22 | Cide | that's good to know if so |
| 22:55.41 | Xyphoid | handy |
| 22:55.59 | foxlit | curse you, banners |
| 22:56.01 | Xyphoid | so lightwell should always be down right |
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| 22:56.04 | Xyphoid | eg before combat |
| 22:56.06 | Cide | ~300k healing for 6k mana is certainly nice |
| 22:56.06 | purl | Cide: okay |
| 22:56.11 | Cide | ..... |
| 22:56.15 | foxlit | "I get paid $$$ each day for working from home posting links on websites" |
| 22:56.27 | Cide | ~300k healing for 6k mana |
| 22:56.27 | purl | i guess 300k healing for 6k mana is certainly nice |
| 22:56.30 | Cide | rofl |
| 22:56.37 | Cide | thank you purl |
| 22:56.37 | purl | Cide: sure thing |
| 22:56.57 | foxlit | So the horrible reality is that spamming is now done by humans. |
| 22:56.58 | Cide | Xyphoid, usually |
| 22:57.22 | Xyphoid | for some reason i thought my priest was saving it based on some cooldown but now that i look... |
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| 22:57.29 | Cide | but it's a bit situational given encounter mechanics |
| 22:57.36 | Dagmar | foxlit: ...and if they're human, then they can be killed |
| 22:57.38 | Cide | foxlit, that's pretty sad |
| 22:57.45 | airtonix | i'm so awesome |
| 22:57.58 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20101230 |
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| 22:58.13 | airtonix | thanks zenzelezz |
| 23:01.36 | Pirate952 | are there 35% hp or below dummies anywhere? |
| 23:04.36 | airtonix | http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/14/enders-game-tabled-by-chair/ |
| 23:06.33 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 23:06.35 | Shirik | The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31%, but its effect has been increased by 208%. |
| 23:06.37 | Dagmar | It's kinda sad when you think about it |
| 23:06.40 | Shirik | Disc priests might be useful again, hoho |
| 23:06.54 | kd3 | yay; upload done |
| 23:06.55 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 23:07.03 | Dagmar | for once, a game would provide it's own excuse for thousands of wargaming children who clearly weren't being raised by parents |
| 23:07.05 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.23 | Shirik | no airtonix, krapsmadbro |
| 23:07.32 | Shirik | I'm a holy priest, I'm OP |
| 23:07.40 | airtonix | you're luke warm |
| 23:08.02 | airtonix | sitting in the comfortable margins of easymode |
| 23:08.52 | Xyphoid | priests are op, the shadowfiend got a bomb attached to it by that deadmines guy |
| 23:09.01 | Xyphoid | <3 |
| 23:09.14 | airtonix | lol |
| 23:09.20 | airtonix | jihadpriest |
| 23:09.21 | Xyphoid | i didn't think they even had torsos |
| 23:11.41 | foxlit | variable-height ceilings above azeroth should be abolished :/ |
| 23:11.52 | foxlit | Can't stand the noise swift flight form makes when it hits them :( |
| 23:13.16 | Xyphoid | annoying aren't they |
| 23:13.23 | Xyphoid | at least northrend just seemed to have a big dome over ICC |
| 23:13.53 | Kraps | Shirik: |
| 23:14.00 | Shirik | in before fffuuuu |
| 23:14.26 | Kraps | you're not allowed into my shadow word: barrier |
| 23:14.39 | Kraps | er powerword |
| 23:15.09 | Kraps | hmm that gives me an idea for an ability |
| 23:15.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:15.50 | Shirik | you're not allowed to click my lightwell |
| 23:16.32 | Lunessa | In my mind, that sounded dirty. |
| 23:16.34 | Kraps | why would i want to, it looks like a penis |
| 23:17.18 | Kraps | Lunessa: i'll google your facebook if you want |
| 23:17.58 | Lunessa | ... you're the wrong gender to excite me. Sorry. |
| 23:18.21 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 23:18.27 | |Jelly| | Can I excite you, Lunessa? |
| 23:18.46 | |Jelly| | ... I have Winter Lager, Triple Bach AND Infinium! :P |
| 23:18.48 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: You also suffer from the gender issue. |
| 23:19.04 | Xyphoid | my mana tide totem raises your spirits |
| 23:19.08 | Lunessa | But I'll drink your booze and ogle your young female friends. |
| 23:19.24 | Lunessa | And I'm out of here. Ciao tutti. |
| 23:19.28 | |Jelly| | She's almost 18! |
| 23:20.07 | Kraps | cant decide if i want a pally or druid |
| 23:21.20 | Sesshu | hmm there are still no german extracted interface files |
| 23:21.23 | Dagmar | |Jelly|: I'm sure the judge will understand |
| 23:23.03 | Seerah | Sesshu: are you looking for the API files, or the GlobalStrings.lua file specifically? |
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| 23:24.08 | Adys | kd3: thanks |
| 23:24.13 | kd3 | np |
| 23:25.05 | Sesshu | Seerah: actually i would like to have to whole files but the globalstrings.lua is the only file which is different right? |
| 23:25.15 | Seerah | iirc, yes |
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| 23:26.24 | Sesshu | atm i don't need them and i have still my german wotlk globalstring.lua |
| 23:26.49 | Sesshu | but one day i'm going to need the new file! |
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| 23:28.11 | Pirate952 | is there a way to give SpellActivationOverlay_ShowOverlay an offset on the x axis? |
| 23:29.45 | Seerah | you can change the location of the frame. Or are you asking if you can pass an offset as an arg to the function? |
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| 23:30.55 | Pirate952 | well im trying to modify the ExecuteOverlay addon which gives a overlay when target is <35% health.. right now the frame is overlapping with icehud, and i like icehud the way it is. i can either scale the overlay to 2.75 to move it where i want it but then its actually huge |
| 23:31.06 | Pirate952 | it doesnt seem so want to accept an offset.. SpellActivationOverlay_ShowOverlay(SpellActivationOverlayFrame, _, "TEXTURES\\SPELLACTIVATIONOVERLAYS\\GENERICARC_05.BLP", "RIGHT", 2.75, 255, 0, 0, true, true) |
| 23:32.06 | Seerah | right. that's not one of the args of the function |
| 23:32.56 | Pirate952 | ah so it cant be done. any idea then how to disable the pinging noise the game makes when an overlay is shown? |
| 23:33.03 | Adys | Are there any painless large spider bites? (fresh ones) |
| 23:33.05 | Pirate952 | its like a tinggggg noise |
| 23:33.08 | Pirate952 | hard to... type |
| 23:33.44 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18477-KokoSpellOverlays.html and/or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18035-KokoSpellOverlaySounds.html for your needs. |
| 23:34.10 | Pirate952 | thanks ill have a look |
| 23:35.04 | Pirate952 | it looks like the addon is offering to enable sounds, and not disable it.. which makes me think the tinging noise is coming from elsewhere.. unless do you know if the game indeed makes a noise when a new overlay is shown? |
| 23:35.24 | Pirate952 | theres definitely no code in ExecuteOverlay to play a noise |
| 23:35.42 | Seerah | yes, it does. |
| 23:36.06 | Seerah | just pick "none" for your sound. |
| 23:36.11 | Pirate952 | thank you kindly |
| 23:36.17 | Seerah | or pick one that you like better |
| 23:36.50 | Seerah | (to clarify, yes the game does play sounds when you get a proc) |
| 23:36.56 | Pirate952 | i guess the addon must redraw the overlay often, as the bar seems to stay the same while the health is 35 % or below, but the sound just loops |
| 23:36.57 | Pirate952 | hehe |
| 23:39.39 | mikma | jnwhiteh + haste + wobin : http://narf-archive.com/pix/b80b8052fa1f1b30ce3a749dde06ac6ab3f813ff.jpeg |
| 23:40.46 | Dagmar | Kyle needs new friends. |
| 23:41.00 | Dagmar | Ones who maybe have some originality to them. |
| 23:42.28 | Pirate952 | @Seerah: the addon definitely allows me to move the alert frame created by executeoverlay, but only allows to change the sounds of the ingame mage procs i.e. hotstreak and such. any ideas? |
| 23:43.01 | Seerah | you're trying to edit an overlay that is created by another addon? |
| 23:43.19 | Pirate952 | well i see an option for "base sound" which changes the sound for "unknown alerts" but setting it to none doesnt seem to impact the executeoverlay |
| 23:43.26 | Seerah | then perhaps it is that addon that is creating the sound. (Or it's a sound for the proc itself and not for the overlay) |
| 23:43.30 | Pirate952 | yes, which it is working for the offset and scaling |
| 23:43.53 | Pirate952 | theres no code in the addon to make any sounds, and i dont believe wow will produce a sound when a target gets below x hp |
| 23:45.35 | Seerah | then there must be code to make the sound somewhere :p |
| 23:48.07 | Pirate952 | hm i think this is above my level lol, ill ask koko to see if he can catch other addon's overlay's sounds |
| 23:48.34 | Seerah | does the sound still play if you disable that other addon? |
| 23:50.05 | Pirate952 | testing that right now |
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| 23:51.49 | Pirate952 | it does not, which means the addon is playing a soun when calling _showoverlay |
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