| 00:08.50 | Kraps | http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/01/04/entertainment-software-rating-boards-say-the-darnedest-things/ |
| 00:10.06 | Kraps | whats the best class in bad company 2? :p |
| 00:11.03 | Stanzilla | me |
| 00:12.16 | karl_w_w | In some scenes, the agent draws his gun and fires at some gnomes; however, the gnomes are magical and are not harmed. hahah |
| 00:19.42 | airtonix | Torhal, why are you powdering my face ? |
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| 00:29.40 | Torhal | airtonix: :D |
| 00:30.16 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTysXITBCmk |
| 00:30.18 | A-KO | holy crap |
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| 00:57.47 | Kameelyan | anyone around? |
| 00:58.07 | cbreak | everyone! Hide the d...! |
| 00:58.56 | Kameelyan | looking for a bit of help with an addon if anyone has a second - trying to modify current Bliz compact Raid Frames AFTER they've been created |
| 00:59.31 | bluspacecow | *in the process of hiding the porn , booze and the blow up fisker doll* |
| 00:59.37 | bluspacecow | erm not sure |
| 00:59.57 | bluspacecow | are you looking for an addon or Writing an addon that does the above |
| 01:00.02 | Kameelyan | writing one |
| 01:00.08 | Kameelyan | i've got the code working in a stand alone function |
| 01:00.15 | bluspacecow | ah. |
| 01:00.23 | Kameelyan | but when i run the code on event, it's going to fire at teh same time as the Bliz UI |
| 01:00.24 | bluspacecow | what is the nature of your coding emergency |
| 01:00.31 | Kameelyan | which i believe is causing it to not work |
| 01:00.43 | cbreak | which event do you listen to? |
| 01:00.49 | cbreak | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 01:01.09 | Dagmar | s/what is/Please state/ |
| 01:01.16 | Kameelyan | i'm taking the blizzard UI container: CompactRaidFrameContainer, and it already has the event registered: self:RegisterEvent("RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE"); |
| 01:01.32 | Kameelyan | so then i'm running the code: local container = _G["CompactRaidFrameContainer"]; container:SetScript("OnEvent",Kam_SetHorizontalFrames); |
| 01:02.16 | Jamash | won't modifying the blizzard raid frames taint them? |
| 01:02.32 | Kameelyan | i'm only moving them |
| 01:02.43 | Kameelyan | if i run the function standa lone, they work perfectly, just in a new horizontal layout/location |
| 01:03.08 | Kameelyan | but anytime someone is added to the raid or moved, it wouldn't update because there is on event registered to the function |
| 01:03.45 | Kameelyan | so it's like this: I need blizzard's piece to run, then mine |
| 01:03.49 | Kameelyan | off the same event |
| 01:04.06 | Jamash | have the wrapper call their function then yours? |
| 01:04.07 | Kameelyan | in effecient i know, but just a short work around until they release the .lua for Cata |
| 01:04.34 | Kameelyan | but I can't modify the current .lua because Blizz hasn't released it yet - or is there a way to get at it some other way? |
| 01:04.42 | Jamash | I don't know what you mean "haven't released it yet" |
| 01:05.06 | Kameelyan | how do i get the raw .lua for Blizzard's UI: BlizzardUI_CompactRaidFrames |
| 01:05.18 | Kameelyan | they typically release a download for the latest version, but that d/l isn't available yet |
| 01:05.26 | airtonix | bluspacecow, |
| 01:05.49 | Kameelyan | that's the only way i'm going to be able to tell it to run in that order, unless there is a way to do it from a seperate addon? |
| 01:06.05 | bluspacecow | yes my darling sugar plum poopy lips ? |
| 01:06.19 | Jamash | I'm confused. You want to modify the base UI directly? |
| 01:06.41 | Torhal | Kameelyan: Use HookScript. |
| 01:06.52 | Torhal | Instead of SetScript |
| 01:07.37 | Kameelyan | any documentation on that? I don't see anything on wowwiki, or is it simply using HookScript versus SetScript? |
| 01:07.55 | Torhal | Use HookScript instead of SetScript - that way you're not simply overwriting the default script. |
| 01:08.02 | Torhal | However, that will call yours and THEN theirs. |
| 01:08.11 | bluspacecow | pls do be using wowpedia.org not wowwiki |
| 01:08.13 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_HookScript |
| 01:08.17 | Torhal | If you want the other way around, you'll have to do this: |
| 01:08.18 | bluspacecow | wowwiki is not the spawn of the devil |
| 01:08.21 | bluspacecow | *now |
| 01:08.28 | Kameelyan | lol - thanks for that link |
| 01:08.42 | Jamash | I thought hooks always got called after the original method |
| 01:08.57 | clever | Kameelyan: i found an svn repo with all the xml/lua for cata |
| 01:09.03 | Torhal | local old_OnUpdate = _G["CompactRaidFrameContainer"]:GetScript("OnUpdate") |
| 01:09.22 | Torhal | Then use your SetScript, which would run old_OnUpdate and then the code you need. |
| 01:09.30 | clever | wait, it was git |
| 01:09.38 | Jamash | clever: I found a program I wrote to extract the current UI: https://code.google.com/p/jamash/downloads/list |
| 01:09.39 | clever | git://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source.git |
| 01:10.17 | clever | the advantage of using that git repo, is that you should have the entire history of every xml/lua file |
| 01:10.42 | Torhal | Jamash: Bah. You're right. |
| 01:10.44 | clever | so you could see when they added something and know how far backward compatible your addon is |
| 01:10.47 | Torhal | The original is called first |
| 01:10.53 | clever | though since everybody must update, its kinda useless:P |
| 01:11.06 | clever | enless you plan to support the chinese versions that are still on lich king |
| 01:11.29 | Amarande | heh, the sundering never happened in China? |
| 01:11.35 | Jamash | hasn't happened yet |
| 01:11.41 | Jamash | China is in the caverns of time |
| 01:11.42 | Kameelyan | torhal, would it then look something like this? |
| 01:11.43 | Torhal | Amarande: They just got WoTLK in August |
| 01:11.49 | Kameelyan | local old_OnUpdate = _G["CompactRaidFrameContainer"]:GetScript("OnUpdate") local container = _G["CompactRaidFrameContainer"]; container:SetScript("OnEvent",Kam_SetHorizontalFrames); |
| 01:11.51 | clever | Amarande: they got LK a few months before cata rumors began i think |
| 01:11.55 | Amarande | though I hear in China there's certain things they have to deal with, though, too |
| 01:12.07 | Amarande | like that certain things have to have different graphics to not offend traditions |
| 01:12.13 | Jamash | no skeletons allowed in china |
| 01:12.14 | Torhal | Kameelyan: Disregard that - use HookScript instead of SetScript - hooked function will be called before original |
| 01:12.15 | clever | Amarande: yeah, you cant have any bones visible in the game |
| 01:12.20 | clever | so the undead race has to be completely redone |
| 01:12.33 | Jamash | I shudder to think what happened to lord marrowgar |
| 01:12.41 | clever | lol |
| 01:12.44 | Amarande | Jamash: or sindy |
| 01:12.52 | clever | or any walking skeleton |
| 01:13.05 | Amarande | otoh, maybe they don't have to deal with blazing skeletons at all on VDW in China |
| 01:13.07 | airtonix | what the aversion to bone ? |
| 01:13.07 | clever | and the skeletons you leave behind after a whipe, are replaced by tomb stones |
| 01:13.25 | Amarande | Did China get the full LK shebang all the way up to ICC right away, or are they phasing it in there like they did in US/EU? |
| 01:13.35 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Chinagar.jpg |
| 01:13.36 | Xyphoid | chinese marrowgar is amazing |
| 01:14.24 | Amarande | they also probably need you to skip level four, too. :) |
| 01:14.40 | Amarande | and 4 shouldn't be the goal number for quests, either :S |
| 01:14.58 | Amarande | of course, we didn't get to skip level 13 in the US, so maybe not. LOL |
| 01:15.24 | Jamash | apparently ToC launched in december |
| 01:15.33 | Jamash | I don't think ICC is even out yet |
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| 01:15.44 | Amarande | Jamash: how are they handling the Black Knight fight? |
| 01:15.51 | Amarande | No P2 at all, or what does he look like in China in that phase? |
| 01:15.53 | clever | Jamash: is it locked out or just nobody has the gear to do it? |
| 01:16.11 | Jamash | Amarande: I can't read chinese, I'm just looking at warcraftchina.com |
| 01:16.27 | Amarande | the problem with the BK fight is that P2 is illogical without bones |
| 01:16.37 | Kameelyan | Ok, getting an error now: |
| 01:16.38 | Kameelyan | Count: 1 Message: ..\AddOns\KamBUI\KamBUI.lua line 6: Usage: CompactRaidFrameContainer:HookScript("type", function) |
| 01:16.54 | Amarande | it'll probably take them forever to redo all the ICC mobs too |
| 01:16.59 | Xyphoid | didnt they just replace skeletons with zombie dudes? nothing wrong with 'the armor breaks off and there's a zombie dude inside' |
| 01:17.01 | Amarande | especially counting the 5-mans and stuff like Pit of Saron |
| 01:17.01 | Kameelyan | everything in the code looks good though from what i can tell... |
| 01:17.26 | Kameelyan | container:HookScript("OnEvent",Kam_SetHorizontalFrames); |
| 01:20.15 | clever | 'short RolePlay session will begin where the Black Knight, atop a [Bone Gryphon], flies into the arena, kills t' |
| 01:20.32 | clever | Amarande: forget phase 2, he cant even fly in on a bone gryphon :P |
| 01:20.45 | clever | http://www.wowpedia.org/Trial_of_the_Champion#The_Black_Knight |
| 01:21.27 | Amarande | also, as for that bit about 4 being a bad number: Four is an unlucky number in countries that use Kanji characters, particularly China and Japan. |
| 01:21.58 | clever | ichi ni san yon, not sure why it would be bad luck |
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| 01:22.02 | airtonix | it's part of the plan to dissuade you from playing |
| 01:22.15 | Amarande | clever: the kanji for the number four has the same pronunciation and romanization as the one for 'death' |
| 01:22.25 | clever | ah |
| 01:23.04 | cbreak | it has other pronounciations |
| 01:23.05 | Xyphoid | looks like it's a ghost griffon instead of bone griffon |
| 01:23.14 | cbreak | shi, yon, yotsu |
| 01:23.16 | Xyphoid | http://img5.178.com/chinagame/201008/75942001505/75942598256.jpg |
| 01:23.26 | Amarande | yeah, it's 'shi' that is the cause of the unlucky superstition |
| 01:23.38 | clever | yeah, sounds too close to shini |
| 01:24.02 | cbreak | there's also shichi (alternative reading nana) which means seven |
| 01:24.15 | clever | seems 49 is out too |
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| 01:24.18 | clever | 49 is considered to be an especially unlucky number because it reminds the Japanese of the phrase "Shinumade Kurushimu", which means "pain until death". |
| 01:24.24 | clever | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraphobia |
| 01:24.46 | Dagmar | If they want to be a modern nation they *really* need to stop being a pack of superstitious bitches. |
| 01:25.08 | cbreak | Dagmar: like major US hotels not having a floor 13? |
| 01:25.31 | clever | Dagmar: when i was reading a wow.com article, it says the bones thing was due to budasim, but technicaly china has no official religion |
| 01:25.31 | Dagmar | What's that got to do with it? |
| 01:25.34 | Amarande | Oddly it spreads to US fans of things Oriental, too, to a degree at least. :) |
| 01:25.46 | airtonix | why |
| 01:25.47 | Amarande | Probably in part because anime that gets localized by 4Kids tends to get utterly trashed. :P |
| 01:26.01 | clever | Amarande: so thats why its so horid!, lol |
| 01:26.14 | airtonix | it's who they are |
| 01:26.20 | Amarande | clever: this is why the US version of Yu-Gi-Oh is so ridiculously inferior to the Japanese one. |
| 01:26.34 | Amarande | The Japanese one is actually a decent anime, and I've heard the manga, even in English, isn't too bad. |
| 01:26.38 | Amarande | But the US anime is a train wreck. |
| 01:26.43 | cbreak | dubs not being inferior is the exception |
| 01:26.46 | clever | Amarande: ive seen what they did to one piece, they turned a black kid white:P |
| 01:27.01 | Amarande | cbreak: well, yeah, but 4Kids tends to go over the top in ruining stuff |
| 01:27.07 | clever | they photoshop cigarets out and leave the smoke behind :P |
| 01:27.12 | airtonix | clever, screenshots or it didn't happen |
| 01:27.17 | Amarande | it's so prevalent with them that there's a term "Macekre" for that sort of butchery |
| 01:27.19 | cbreak | ...!?! |
| 01:27.49 | Amarande | of course, the card game is a train wreck in both the US and Japan |
| 01:28.21 | Amarande | but that's what happens when you try to make a card game so faithful to the anime that spawned it that you forget utterly about game balance until you realize everyone in tournaments is using one of two or three basic deck ideas and then you have to go "this *really* is broken." |
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| 01:28.39 | Kameelyan | Torhal, you there? |
| 01:28.56 | Amarande | at which point the card game really lost a ton of luster though ... because so many of the cards that fans were fond of (because they were iconic from the anime) went straight onto the B&R list, usually in the former portion. :P |
| 01:29.05 | clever | airtonix: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_A8aI5SM36lg/S6OMSzHP-jI/AAAAAAAAACA/-dzDZu7oLbo/s320/bvswhite.jpg |
| 01:29.13 | airtonix | thankyou |
| 01:29.27 | airtonix | lulz |
| 01:29.29 | clever | http://x71isnwor.blogspot.com/2010/03/one-piece-4kids-edits.html |
| 01:29.44 | clever | the page is full of all the things they did |
| 01:29.49 | clever | a gun turned into a hammer thing |
| 01:30.03 | clever | actualy, its just 2 |
| 01:30.46 | Amarande | clever: not to mention all the "Shadow Realm" bullshit in Yu-Gi-Oh |
| 01:30.58 | clever | Amarande: i havent watched much of that show in either version |
| 01:31.00 | Amarande | There *WAS NO* Shadow Realm in the Japanese version, and I'm *pretty* sure there isn't in the manga, either. |
| 01:31.14 | Amarande | They invented it because they thought it would be too harsh for the kiddos for people to die. |
| 01:31.21 | clever | lol |
| 01:31.40 | Amarande | some of the incidents where "death" was converted to "shadow realm" are particularly blatant eyerollers |
| 01:32.15 | clever | ive heard storyes about one show, where they didnt even keep the original plot |
| 01:32.33 | clever | they basicaly broke the show down into a pile of frames, and then made there own show |
| 01:32.52 | clever | cut&paste half the episodes out of order to make some new story |
| 01:34.21 | Kameelyan | Anyone want to take a look at this script and give me an idea as to why it's not working? |
| 01:34.22 | Kameelyan | http://kameelyan.com/other/KamBUI.lua |
| 01:36.05 | Amarande | speaking of anime localizations, when are we ever going to see Kara no Kyoukai in English :( |
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| 01:38.21 | clever | Dagmar: uh oh, lirc crashed again |
| 01:44.59 | airtonix | clever, you should set up a daemon thingy to make sure it's always running |
| 01:45.15 | clever | the problem isnt actualy that lirc is crashing |
| 01:45.19 | clever | lirc is causing mythfrontend to half lockup |
| 01:45.27 | airtonix | oh |
| 01:45.29 | clever | i start playback with the remote, and the main thread locks up |
| 01:45.37 | clever | but the playback thread continues like nothing hapened |
| 01:45.44 | clever | so it doesnt respond to ANY input |
| 01:46.02 | clever | the lirc thread is also still working, so it beeps when i hit buttons on the remote |
| 01:46.27 | airtonix | so it's really just myth failing |
| 01:46.38 | clever | yeah, but only when i use the remote to start it |
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| 01:48.55 | Adys | anyone familiar with the windows registry? |
| 01:49.03 | clever | Adys: a bit |
| 01:49.22 | Adys | How decent is it at storing a large amount of values for a single app? |
| 01:49.46 | Adys | as in, is it worth using the registry exclusively if you have to store a large amount of settings (say, 100-200 keys or more) |
| 01:49.51 | cbreak | Adys: I would not do that |
| 01:49.57 | cbreak | Adys: it's from microsoft |
| 01:50.01 | Adys | rlynow |
| 01:50.26 | clever | i think it handles things similar to a regular FS, the keys will only cause slowdowns for the 'folder' they exist in |
| 01:50.31 | clever | shouldnt effect performance for anything else |
| 01:50.32 | cbreak | oh, only a few hundred keys? |
| 01:50.41 | Adys | at most, yes |
| 01:50.44 | cbreak | I would be more worried about integrity |
| 01:50.44 | clever | breaking it up into some groups may help your own performance too |
| 01:51.07 | cbreak | I heard bad things about the registry breaking and then whole windows no longer working |
| 01:51.24 | Adys | Im using qt for this app and wondering whether or not I should keep using my custom .wtf-like format for settings or move everything to qsettings |
| 01:51.38 | cbreak | but there are hundreds of thousands of keys in a registry, I doubt a few hundred have any impact |
| 01:51.49 | Adys | yeah true |
| 01:51.55 | Adys | hmm |
| 01:51.57 | clever | cbreak: yeah the registery holds alot of major stuff for the OS, but using the official API shouldnt break it |
| 01:52.00 | cbreak | Adys: Qt can transparently use both native (registry on windows) or .ini format |
| 01:52.09 | Adys | really? |
| 01:52.14 | cbreak | yeah |
| 01:52.16 | Adys | i was just looking for a way to do exactly that |
| 01:52.17 | Adys | but couldnt find one |
| 01:52.25 | cbreak | I do that in an app of mine |
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| 01:52.35 | cbreak | to read override ini files when specified on the cli ;) |
| 01:52.42 | airtonix | why not just use ini? |
| 01:52.51 | Adys | cbreak: how then? |
| 01:53.04 | Adys | OH |
| 01:53.05 | Adys | setPath |
| 01:53.06 | Adys | sweet! |
| 01:53.29 | Adys | cbreak: I love you |
| 01:53.45 | clever | If you want to use INI files on all platforms instead of the native API, you can pass QSettings::IniFormat as the first argument to the QSettings constructor, followed by the scope, the organization name, and the application name: |
| 01:53.50 | Adys | (mind you, I love qt more) |
| 01:53.58 | clever | Adys: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qsettings.html#Format-enum |
| 01:54.05 | Adys | yeah already reading |
| 01:54.06 | Adys | thanks :) |
| 01:54.13 | crazedfred | Adys: what'cya using QT for? |
| 01:54.20 | cbreak | clever: usually the registry breaks on a crash |
| 01:54.24 | Adys | a game |
| 01:54.26 | cbreak | I was told it's not journaled |
| 01:54.30 | crazedfred | Adys: interesting :) |
| 01:54.54 | clever | cbreak: that could be it, but i think it has backups copies, let me look |
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| 01:55.50 | airtonix | hello |
| 01:55.51 | clever | cant find the registery for my local user:S |
| 01:56.56 | Adys | (shitting hell of a son, did I mention I love qt) |
| 01:57.01 | cbreak | Adys: I use this constructor: http://doc.trolltech.com/latest/qsettings.html#QSettings-4 |
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| 01:58.15 | clever | cbreak: yeah that one looks good |
| 01:58.41 | clever | ive also recently found that setting the QObject parent helps ALOT for memory leaking |
| 01:58.51 | clever | it forces automatic cleanup when i forget to delete objects |
| 02:00.05 | cbreak | I try to not subclass QObject too much |
| 02:00.13 | cbreak | prefer to use QSharedPointer myself |
| 02:00.37 | clever | i sub-clases QTimer a while back for adding setTimeout to QScript |
| 02:00.48 | clever | i would new the sub-class up and then leave it on purpose |
| 02:01.00 | clever | once it times out, it was supposed to call deleteLater() on itself |
| 02:01.15 | clever | due to a bug, it wasnt, so they leaked |
| 02:01.31 | cbreak | why deleteLater and not delete? |
| 02:01.56 | clever | because its being called from a member function on itself |
| 02:02.00 | clever | you cant safely delete this; |
| 02:02.04 | cbreak | you can |
| 02:02.10 | cbreak | IF you do it as last statement in the method |
| 02:02.23 | cbreak | (or never access this after it) |
| 02:02.27 | clever | still doesnt feel proper to me |
| 02:02.43 | clever | the problem, is that i was doing that delete inside an unrelated if() |
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| 02:02.52 | clever | so it didnt run half the time |
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| 02:02.55 | cbreak | you can even call methods on dangling pointers as long as you don't access this :) |
| 02:03.02 | cbreak | (would not recommend doing that) |
| 02:03.19 | cbreak | hmm. what was the bug btw? |
| 02:03.23 | clever | void my_timer::my_timeout() { if (code.isFunction()) { ....; this->deleteLater(); }} |
| 02:03.27 | cbreak | missing run loop? |
| 02:03.37 | clever | if the function is invalid (QScript context deleted) it doesnt get called |
| 02:03.39 | Amarande | I guess it's like sending a null pointer as an argument in a C function, you had just be *damned* careful dereferencing it. |
| 02:03.43 | clever | and i forget to delete the timer:P |
| 02:03.47 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 02:03.56 | clever | the fix was simple, always delete on timeout |
| 02:04.06 | clever | void my_timer::my_timeout() { if (code.isFunction()) { .... } this->deleteLater(); } |
| 02:04.52 | clever | but as an extra safety net, i made the QScriptEngine its parent |
| 02:05.00 | clever | static QScriptValue setTimeout(QScriptContext *context,QScriptEngine *eng) { my_timer *timer = new my_timer(eng,code,delay,last_serial); } |
| 02:05.08 | clever | my_timer::my_timer(QObject *parent,QScriptValue code,qsreal delay,int serial) :QTimer(parent) { |
| 02:05.25 | clever | so now if the QScriptEngine is deleted for any reason, the timer automaticaly gets deleted |
| 02:05.31 | cbreak | I don't think I would subclass QTimer for that |
| 02:05.58 | clever | i needed some way to store a function name and QScriptContext* along with the timer |
| 02:06.18 | cbreak | I'd probably create a class with a function name, a context and a timer as member |
| 02:06.35 | clever | that would do the same thing |
| 02:06.47 | cbreak | yeah... but without inheritance :) |
| 02:06.50 | clever | though it might take more memory |
| 02:06.55 | cbreak | no. |
| 02:07.04 | clever | for deletelater to work, that new class must be a qobject |
| 02:07.15 | cbreak | as i said above, I'd use delete :) |
| 02:07.19 | clever | so then i would have 2 qobjects, plus the member variables |
| 02:07.31 | clever | yeah, that trick can get around some things |
| 02:07.36 | cbreak | it would use the same, or maybe less memory |
| 02:07.49 | cbreak | less if you used a Q_OBJECT macro in your class |
| 02:07.51 | clever | posibly less |
| 02:08.09 | cbreak | (because that adds a bunch of additional methods to the vtable) |
| 02:08.23 | clever | yeah, ive read the moc files before to see how it works internaly |
| 02:08.38 | clever | but if i really wanted to save memory, id use a char* and not a QString |
| 02:08.53 | cbreak | that wold not save memory |
| 02:09.02 | cbreak | because it's not equivalent in power at all |
| 02:09.06 | clever | brb |
| 02:09.32 | cbreak | hmm... I might have to subclass QObject if I wanted to connect to the timer timeout signal. |
| 02:09.39 | cbreak | ah well, either way |
| 02:09.42 | cbreak | back to anime |
| 02:14.01 | clever | cbreak: now that i think about it, i dont even need a QString |
| 02:14.31 | clever | i can pass a function reference directly over |
| 02:14.53 | clever | cbreak: which one are you watching? |
| 02:15.16 | cbreak | Konjiki no Gash Bell. Checking out if it is as good as the manga. |
| 02:15.25 | clever | ah, ive only seen the dub |
| 02:15.31 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 02:15.32 | clever | lol, now that i look, i never touched QString! |
| 02:15.42 | clever | it was using a QScriptValue (containing the function) from the start |
| 02:15.52 | clever | cbreak: i know, dubs are usualy bad |
| 02:18.59 | Adys | cbreak: any way to force .conf to IniFormat ? |
| 02:19.03 | Adys | .conf extension* |
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| 02:19.48 | cbreak | hmm... you can pick the name I thought? |
| 02:20.00 | cbreak | I never actually tested my implementation though :) |
| 02:20.21 | Adys | i dont think so |
| 02:20.39 | cbreak | the constructor I linked takes the filename as argument |
| 02:20.52 | cbreak | what happens if you pass something that ends with .conf? |
| 02:21.21 | Adys | hmmm sec |
| 02:22.00 | Adys | Im not actually using a constructor, just using setPath/setStuff later on |
| 02:22.04 | Adys | but i guess ill change that |
| 02:22.04 | clever | cbreak: seems i get nothing but dns errors |
| 02:22.06 | cbreak | I would expect Qt to honor the filename you pass |
| 02:22.36 | cbreak | Adys: setPath is for setting the path that default QSettings instances are created |
| 02:22.48 | Adys | yeah, i understood that it adds the extension to it |
| 02:22.49 | Adys | bah |
| 02:23.05 | cbreak | you can use arbitrary files if you tell QSettings to use them |
| 02:23.28 | cbreak | I have my own settings class that instanciates a QSettings based on the existence of a static member flag |
| 02:23.34 | Adys | hold on |
| 02:23.36 | cbreak | so I can chose if I want native of a fixed ini |
| 02:23.46 | Adys | path is just the filename, right |
| 02:23.56 | Adys | not the absolute path |
| 02:24.05 | cbreak | I use absolute paths |
| 02:24.13 | Adys | why have a scope at all then? |
| 02:24.23 | cbreak | Oh, I use it as command line override |
| 02:24.31 | cbreak | so absolute paths are appropriate |
| 02:24.36 | Adys | ah |
| 02:26.56 | cbreak | I think setPath is to set the default path. |
| 02:31.49 | Adys | cbreak: are QSettings objects tied to the qApp? |
| 02:32.00 | Adys | (eg, is there a way to get the QSettings obj without tracking it) |
| 02:32.06 | cbreak | I don't think so. |
| 02:32.16 | cbreak | I just create new QSettings instances when ever I want to |
| 02:32.20 | Adys | ok |
| 02:32.21 | cbreak | (which is a lot) |
| 02:32.44 | cbreak | if I need a specific value in a function, I create a new instance there |
| 02:32.56 | cbreak | well, I have my own class that has a QSettings member |
| 02:33.36 | cbreak | so I instanciate my own wrapper which has a specific API |
| 02:35.37 | Shirik | Someone's mad on 4chan: http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1294193393369.jpg |
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| 02:36.02 | crazedfred | Shirik: lolol |
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| 02:37.29 | Aurorus | Shirik - sfw? |
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| 02:37.51 | airtonix | Shirik, is it you |
| 02:38.11 | Shirik | Aurorus: I would tag it otherwise |
| 02:39.33 | Aurorus | ok, ty |
| 02:39.59 | Shirik | and yes airtonix |
| 02:41.15 | karl_w_w | nark |
| 02:41.16 | kd3 | it's shirik, linking to 4chan. of course it's going to be about him |
| 02:41.19 | airtonix | so you're mad? |
| 02:41.20 | airtonix | on 4chan? |
| 02:41.25 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:41.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:41.52 | Shirik | no |
| 02:42.14 | airtonix | ok |
| 02:44.32 | Arrowmaster | i bet Shirik has a custom google search setup to inform him everytime his name is mentioned on 4chan |
| 02:44.40 | Shirik | I could |
| 02:44.45 | Shirik | I actually have a bot that monitors 4chan |
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| 02:44.56 | Shirik | but it looks for Wikipedia-related pages, not Shirik-related pages |
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| 02:46.30 | Shirik | I should also point out it takes like 5-10GB/mo just to monitor 4chan |
| 02:46.40 | Shirik | 5-10GB of text |
| 02:46.49 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:46.49 | Shirik | which is probably gzipped for that matter |
| 02:48.26 | Arrowmaster | you should check |
| 02:48.57 | Arrowmaster | if you dont know then it might not be if the bot you wrote doesnt ask for it to be gzipped if possible |
| 02:51.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:51.29 | Shirik | I just use luasocket's http module |
| 02:51.40 | Shirik | or do I use wget for that |
| 02:52.06 | cbreak | there's some http header that has to be set to accept compressed content |
| 02:52.33 | Shirik | yeah I use luasocket |
| 02:52.38 | Shirik | I wonder if they send it |
| 02:52.50 | cbreak | luasockete to a listening netcat and find out :) |
| 02:53.20 | Arrowmaster | or just wireshark and filter for http traffic only |
| 02:53.21 | cbreak | nc -l localhost 12345 or so I think |
| 02:53.28 | Shirik | can't I do like tcpdump or something? |
| 02:53.37 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: console only |
| 02:53.41 | cbreak | probably too if you have it :) |
| 02:53.50 | Arrowmaster | tshark = tcpdump for wireshark |
| 02:54.28 | Arrowmaster | i once connected wireshark to my router via ssh and listened to the traffic |
| 02:55.38 | cbreak | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.3 |
| 02:55.41 | cbreak | if you care :) |
| 02:55.54 | Shirik | tcpdump host boards.4chan.org -A |
| 02:55.57 | Shirik | Doesn't look readable |
| 02:56.02 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, any facebook passwords? |
| 02:56.02 | Shirik | except for the periodic "GET ..." |
| 02:56.14 | Shirik | so I'm going to guess it's gzipped |
| 02:56.17 | cbreak | just check the lines under GET |
| 02:56.20 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: no we did that at college |
| 02:56.29 | Shirik | cbreak: Don't know enough to do that |
| 02:56.45 | cbreak | should be Accepts-Encoding: blahblah |
| 02:56.56 | Shirik | but -A doesn't dump out enough info for that |
| 02:57.04 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the individual tcp packets will be useless, you need the reconstructed http stream |
| 02:59.05 | Adys | cbreak: got a couple of mins? |
| 02:59.13 | cbreak | yeah |
| 02:59.43 | Adys | cbreak: http://dpaste.com/294338/ getting this, I'm not really good with C++ though |
| 02:59.56 | Adys | and this is likely basic member mixups |
| 03:00.29 | cbreak | looks like you are trying to pass a QSettings by value |
| 03:00.34 | cbreak | I think they aren't copyable |
| 03:00.42 | Adys | Ah right |
| 03:00.44 | cbreak | do you have sources? :) |
| 03:00.50 | Adys | sec i think i see the problem |
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| 03:03.03 | Adys | cbreak: hm nvm I screwed it up again |
| 03:03.04 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/294340/ |
| 03:03.25 | cbreak | Adys: don't pass around QSettings |
| 03:03.36 | Adys | figured |
| 03:03.39 | cbreak | make one if you need one, or pass it by pointer |
| 03:03.43 | Adys | i think ill get rid of this stuff entirely |
| 03:03.56 | cbreak | QSettings? :( |
| 03:04.02 | Adys | no, loadConfig |
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| 03:04.24 | Adys | this was more relevant with the old settings engine |
| 03:06.53 | Kraps | wtf http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1756042776#1 |
| 03:08.08 | Adys | much better |
| 03:08.23 | clever | Adys: that reminds me, i was planning to make a config DB in sqlite/javascript |
| 03:08.31 | clever | you could look at that if you want fast lookups |
| 03:08.37 | clever | and rollback support |
| 03:08.38 | Adys | Nah this is fine |
| 03:08.55 | cbreak | why the hell java script? |
| 03:09.01 | Adys | i was wondering that too tbh |
| 03:12.32 | Adys | cbreak: i suck at pointers :( |
| 03:12.38 | Adys | /home/adys/src/git/xflight/apollo/core/engine.cc:134: error: no match for âoperator*â in â*configâ |
| 03:13.18 | cbreak | uhm... |
| 03:13.27 | cbreak | you're trying to multiply configs? :) |
| 03:14.38 | Adys | i think its some stupid typo somOH got it. |
| 03:14.48 | mckenziemc | i know how to have one function retrieve the environment of the calling function in Lua, but there's no way for the inner function to retrieve the -value- of the calling function, right? (value referring to the function closure) |
| 03:15.14 | mckenziemc | without explicitly passing it, that is |
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| 04:26.16 | Shirik | http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Shirik'sdeath |
| 04:26.18 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:26.54 | Amarande | ok, is it true that Ensidia et al. are *universally* benching *all* MDPS for hardmode raids? |
| 04:27.06 | Adys | What? |
| 04:27.31 | Jamash | Amarande: I don't know, is it true that I don't give a flying fuck what Ensidia does or doesn't do? |
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| 04:28.02 | Amarande | Jamash: I think it's more "if *they* can't make it work, how can lesser guilds?" |
| 04:28.17 | Amarande | the talk seems to be that they tried it and could not make it work |
| 04:28.19 | mckenziemc | by not caring so much |
| 04:28.29 | mikma | fisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ikuinentrolli.jpg |
| 04:28.30 | Amarande | for hardmodes anyway, for normal it's still fine |
| 04:28.49 | mckenziemc | you do realize it's common for cutting edge guilds to take extreme measures? |
| 04:28.49 | Amarande | I haven't looked at the battle mechanics, but if, as stated by so many, the harsh mechanics in Cata 5-mans are training for raid mechanics |
| 04:28.50 | Jamash | Amarande: I think it's more "if they want to minmax so hard they bench the entire guild more power to them" |
| 04:29.00 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 04:29.12 | Amarande | I'm expecting there's a lot of PBAoE on raid fights, just like that Stonecore rock giant's Shatter |
| 04:29.54 | Adys | for god sake Amarande it's not been a month since cataclysm release |
| 04:30.51 | Jamash | [2. Trade] Imsohardcore: LF25M Deathwing HM link achieves or no invite |
| 04:31.03 | Amarande | What I can see as a problem is if there is that much PBAoE, MDPS are going to suffer massive losses to their productivity due to the constant need to run out, and that need would be especially absolute on HMs |
| 04:31.18 | Amarande | especially if the AoE is large, like Ozruk's |
| 04:31.30 | mckenziemc | if it's a big enough issue then it will get balanced |
| 04:31.42 | Amarande | which may severely impact ability to meet berserk timers on raids featuring said DPS |
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| 04:40.33 | Adys | Don't you love Stargate Atlantis. |
| 04:40.42 | Adys | McKay: "You brought a magnetic compass to another planet in another galaxy? You have absolutely no way of knowing if this planets magnetic field is ..." |
| 04:40.57 | Adys | 5 minutes later: (to an alien villager): - How old are you? - Twenty four. |
| 04:41.36 | Jamash | I like stargate because it's funny |
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| 04:53.24 | kd3 | so I'm amused: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/be4475168ba39feb4872445318537450.jpg |
| 04:54.00 | clever | kd3: ive gotten those 2 sites seperately before |
| 04:54.17 | kd3 | ya, as have I. just not both at the same time |
| 04:54.26 | clever | what i wonder |
| 04:54.32 | clever | if you stand right on the center between the 2 |
| 04:54.38 | clever | which site does it give a node from? |
| 04:56.33 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:56.44 | Shirik | better yet |
| 04:56.49 | Shirik | If you find an artifact in the middle |
| 04:56.58 | Shirik | does it dock you for both |
| 04:57.27 | clever | it will probly pick one digsite, and then pick from that |
| 05:00.17 | mckenziemc | does it even generate the node positions all at once, or does it not pick spots for the 2nd and 3rd till after you collect the first? |
| 05:00.38 | clever | mckenziemc: no idea how the server works internaly |
| 05:00.52 | clever | would need to get a private server and read the code, which isnt legal:P |
| 05:01.19 | mckenziemc | not necessarily (at the first part) |
| 05:01.51 | clever | ive also found that the nodes arent fixed long-term |
| 05:02.07 | clever | i had a node in the eastern plaugelands, right on a cliff edge |
| 05:02.15 | clever | couldnt get it |
| 05:02.24 | clever | 2 days later, it was elsewhere in the digsite |
| 05:02.51 | mckenziemc | i guess someone could take a bunch of readings without actually going on top of the node (might take some tries) and see if all the readings seem to point to that node, or if they conflick |
| 05:02.53 | mckenziemc | t |
| 05:03.07 | mckenziemc | yeah, i've seen that |
| 05:03.15 | clever | the directions are nowhere near correct |
| 05:03.16 | clever | but the distances do match up |
| 05:03.40 | mckenziemc | i know they're approximate |
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| 05:04.16 | clever | ive writen an addon that tracks the distance from each survey and helps finding the node |
| 05:04.28 | Adys | mckenziemc: The first time you plant a survey device in the digsite, the next node position is generated and saved for a definite amount of time. |
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| 05:04.50 | kd3 | the distances are right (they take the z-axis into account, surprised me), but it's like they're intentionally screwing with the directions |
| 05:05.17 | clever | yeah, ive seen the z-axis also |
| 05:05.19 | Adys | kd3: the red survey has a larger "view field" |
| 05:05.20 | mckenziemc1 | but if you get one reading that points one way, and another reading that points in a totoally different direction with no overlap, that conclusively shows multiple spots were spawned at once (at least within a short time frame) also, disconnected, last line i saw was mine: 'i know they're approximate' |
| 05:05.35 | Adys | [05:04:27] <Adys> mckenziemc: The first time you plant a survey device in the digsite, the next node position is generated and saved for a definite amount of time. |
| 05:05.58 | clever | i think the survey marker can only point 4 or 8 directions |
| 05:06.10 | Adys | the survey marker can point any direction. |
| 05:06.14 | mckenziemc1 | ah, thanks adys |
| 05:06.16 | clever | and its always a 45 or 90 degree fan out in that direction |
| 05:06.22 | Adys | nop |
| 05:06.31 | clever | ive found its almost always on a compas bearing |
| 05:06.44 | mckenziemc1 | according to ArcheologyHelper, the red zone is > 90 degrees |
| 05:06.59 | mckenziemc1 | of course idk if that's reliable |
| 05:07.16 | Adys | there is a definite margin of error centered on the direct line towards the artifact for each color |
| 05:07.22 | clever | ive had red markers send me on 3 90 degree turns in a row, zig-zaging |
| 05:07.24 | Adys | green being 0-10 or something, dont remember |
| 05:07.39 | mckenziemc1 | Adys, but to clarify, it's -only- one node that's generated at that point, not all 3, right? |
| 05:07.46 | Adys | mckenziemc: that's right |
| 05:07.57 | Adys | theres no need to generate all three nodes and take up space |
| 05:08.01 | clever | next thing i should try is to save the direction the surveys are pointing |
| 05:08.04 | clever | and see how acurate they are |
| 05:08.18 | Adys | why? its already been done |
| 05:08.47 | Adys | red is 90 degrees e/s, yellow is 25 and green is idontremember |
| 05:08.49 | mckenziemc1 | adys: i have to ask, are you supposing this based on 'there's no need' or has it actually been shown experimentally |
| 05:08.54 | clever | to increase the acuracy of my own addon |
| 05:09.02 | mckenziemc1 | wrt one at a time |
| 05:09.12 | Adys | mckenziemc1: i know that implementation detail for some reason |
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| 05:11.45 | Adys | and kd3: http://i.imgur.com/EFwEU.png |
| 05:11.59 | mckenziemc | sorry for demanding such a rigorous answer but it's what i'm specifally looking for -- what do you mean by 'for some reason'? you have access but aren't allowed to tell any more? (in which case i'll accept it) |
| 05:12.18 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:12.49 | Adys | mckenziemc: I discussed that implementation detail with an employee a while back, it just stayed stuck in my mind |
| 05:12.58 | Adys | kd3: apparently nobody gets it, I thought I was in a channel full of nerds and I've been oh so deceived :( |
| 05:13.22 | mckenziemc | ah ok |
| 05:13.25 | mckenziemc | thank |
| 05:13.27 | mckenziemc | s |
| 05:13.51 | Adys | (and to be fair, it's only logical.) |
| 05:14.43 | clever | Adys: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2522-A-Nerd-By-Any-Other-Name |
| 05:15.17 | clever | Adys: sounds like its something thats kept in ram, either globaly (until expire) or per session |
| 05:15.54 | Adys | no; nothing that lasts more than a few seconds is kept in ram (and not many of these are either) |
| 05:15.55 | mckenziemc | logical in one way but not another, so it comes down to design decision (they could've decided to make it so players didn't have to run as far between surveys -- instead of having to do multiple red surveys to cross the site and find one node, the telescope would be able to send you to a closer node first) |
| 05:16.03 | Adys | most shit is kept in database |
| 05:16.56 | clever | Adys: it feels like the location of the digsites your locked do would be blown away on shutdown of the server |
| 05:17.16 | clever | so maybe its a temp DB that gets cleared on server restart |
| 05:17.20 | Adys | Just because it's in database doesn't mean it's permanent |
| 05:17.27 | clever | yeah |
| 05:17.36 | clever | sqlite has a memory database |
| 05:17.57 | clever | same api as the file backed DB's but no actual file |
| 05:18.20 | Adys | wow doesnt use sqlite :P |
| 05:18.34 | Adys | actually who knows if they do in some obscure place |
| 05:18.37 | clever | do you know if they use sql at all? |
| 05:18.45 | kd3 | blizz? oracle iirc |
| 05:18.55 | Adys | aye, oracle |
| 05:21.15 | Amarande | I've actually once or twice managed to go straight from red to the node |
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| 05:21.41 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bloodstaind |
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| 05:21.47 | Shirik | I'm not sure that's the right way to go about an unblock request |
| 05:21.48 | Adys | plenty of times here |
| 05:21.51 | Adys | its just luck |
| 05:22.08 | Amarande | Usually on dig sites where the shape of it pretty much indicates that the node really can't be elsewhere even going only off the red |
| 05:22.40 | clever | using a DB of past node sites, you can sometimes guess where the node is from 1 survey |
| 05:22.46 | Amarande | since there are some (Infectis Scar, for instance) where there is *very* little valid space for nodes |
| 05:22.50 | clever | part of what i'm trying to do in my addon |
| 05:23.40 | Amarande | the sites I tend to hate are the ones that are large and have little in the way of water or other blockers to limit where nodes can be |
| 05:24.00 | clever | yeah, those can lead to 5 reds in a row |
| 05:24.26 | clever | only way to save time is to skip way ahead and try and get a 2nd direction |
| 05:24.30 | clever | so you know its between 2 points |
| 05:24.50 | mckenziemc | hehe, binary search |
| 05:24.53 | clever | yep |
| 05:24.58 | clever | fuzzy binary search |
| 05:25.02 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 05:25.32 | clever | one guy with my addon, said he went sideways when he got a yellow |
| 05:25.44 | clever | so then he got 2 yellows side by side, and the point they overlap at is much smaller |
| 05:26.05 | mckenziemc | yeah, i've considered that but don't think it's worth it |
| 05:26.21 | clever | so far, mine will mark the minimap where the node could be |
| 05:26.26 | clever | purely on the distances from every survey |
| 05:26.27 | mckenziemc | because you get a similar effect by just flying in to the first area and possibly getting a green |
| 05:26.31 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 05:26.39 | Amarande | clever: also, probably always start from the center of the zone |
| 05:26.45 | Amarande | er, digsite |
| 05:26.49 | clever | Amarande: yeah, that would help too |
| 05:26.54 | Amarande | then even if you get red, you know it's in this or that half |
| 05:27.10 | Adys | wrong :P |
| 05:27.19 | Amarande | and then there are some digsites that are just VILE unless you are high level or the right faction |
| 05:27.32 | Amarande | I imagine there's many low level Alliance that cried when they got that fossil dig in Hillsbrad |
| 05:27.33 | Adys | in large digsites, start at a corner, ~5 yards from the limit |
| 05:27.35 | clever | Amarande: i found one in uldum |
| 05:27.41 | clever | i was dodging lasers and bombs :P |
| 05:27.52 | clever | somebody was doing the quest and triggered the scripted fight |
| 05:27.52 | Dagmar | Oh my gosh! High level professions that require a high level toon? NEVER HAS SUCH A THING BEEN FOISTED ON US! |
| 05:27.53 | Amarande | clever: there's also the one in Halaa that's basically impossible unless your faction has it |
| 05:28.03 | Adys | Amarande: nobody does archeology at low level. |
| 05:28.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm talking about digsites that can appear during the pre 300 phase |
| 05:28.26 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i'm guessing the system will only give you the digsites in hostile areas if you're high level |
| 05:28.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: Blizzad is so mEAN |
| 05:28.45 | clever | i read on one site that it will only give you sites you can live in |
| 05:28.45 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: your insult is completely irrelevant |
| 05:28.54 | clever | my 85 took weeks to even get a site in the blasted lands |
| 05:29.08 | Amarande | mckenziemc: not sure about that, since digs never appear in newbie zones |
| 05:29.09 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | which means they always appear in zones that are considered contested, anyway |
| 05:29.16 | Dagmar | THere's _four_ digsites at all times |
| 05:29.28 | Dagmar | If you don't want to do one because you might get your hands dirty, there's always three more |
| 05:29.29 | kd3 | most of mine are either in epl or stv |
| 05:29.41 | Adys | i stopped EK |
| 05:29.48 | mckenziemc | dagmar: but it's possible for all 4 to end up in one zone |
| 05:29.50 | Amarande | Hillsbrad fossil field is harsh on Alliance doing arch while leveling because it is huge and stretches between three distinct and separate Horde outposts |
| 05:29.59 | kd3 | I did EK to 300, almost done with outland, heading to northrend next |
| 05:30.00 | Adys | only been doing arch in kalimdor. nelf + uldum |
| 05:30.09 | kd3 | then it's kalimdor until I get sick of it |
| 05:30.16 | Adys | im sick of it :( |
| 05:30.20 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: I suppose, but it's scarcely been what I would call "hard" let alone unfair. Mainly "boring" is the word I'd use |
| 05:30.25 | Amarande | Aerie Peak is probably pretty nasty for Horde for a long time, too |
| 05:30.29 | Adys | Im working on my last nelf rare, and then theres the trinket... |
| 05:30.31 | Adys | sighs |
| 05:30.39 | Dagmar | It's not like I've got sites coming up deep inside freaking Orgrimmar or something |
| 05:30.42 | Amarande | but probably not quite AS bad. Hillsbrad is likely worse because you're more likely to have to worry about PvP activity there. |
| 05:30.49 | Amarande | Hinterlands seems less traveled. |
| 05:31.28 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/843/ |
| 05:31.30 | Amarande | although ganking activity seems to have lessened lately in general |
| 05:31.34 | kd3 | if you're worried about pvp... why are you on a pvp server? |
| 05:31.48 | Dagmar | God forbid people on a PvP server actually PvP |
| 05:31.53 | mckenziemc | because it's not an 'all or nothing' issue |
| 05:31.56 | Amarande | kd3: the cases I was speaking of are cases where there's a good chance of getting flagged due to close proximity to faction outposts |
| 05:32.05 | mckenziemc | whereas the server selection is |
| 05:32.13 | kd3 | has yet to get flagged, anywhere, in EK on archaeology missions |
| 05:32.30 | Amarande | at high level there's no worry (I started arch at 61 on the mage and 83 or so on the DK) |
| 05:32.38 | clever | kd3: one EK node is in strangle thorn vale, at the pvp arena |
| 05:32.53 | Amarande | at lower levels on a new alt (and I tend to recommend people try to keep up with arch as they level so they don't have an omgton of it to catch up on later) |
| 05:33.00 | Dagmar | Except you don't get flagged for fetching it |
| 05:33.02 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i don't think proximity to a hostile outpost flags you on pve servers |
| 05:33.10 | Adys | clever: except its not inside the arena |
| 05:33.13 | Amarande | mckenziemc: aggroing guards can, and inconsistently |
| 05:33.19 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 05:33.20 | clever | yeah, so far no node is inside the arena |
| 05:33.22 | Amarande | clever: yeah I've never had a node spawn on the arena floor |
| 05:33.23 | Adys | clever: all of its nodes are outside or on the stairs, no spawnpoint is inside |
| 05:33.26 | Amarande | I've had that dig twice |
| 05:33.28 | clever | but the digsite itself covers the arena floor |
| 05:33.31 | Dagmar | I've popped fragments jsut outside GUrubashi several times. Not *once* has it had me actually set foot in the arena |
| 05:33.36 | Adys | its just here to tease you :P |
| 05:33.49 | kd3 | that's because they use filled polygons to display the nodes |
| 05:33.58 | Amarande | Of course, the arena is practically forgotten on Silvermoon-US anyway |
| 05:34.01 | Adys | kd3: nah, they're just mean :) |
| 05:34.05 | Amarande | or was it Silvermoon or Turalyon |
| 05:34.06 | Adys | kd3: they could "fix" it |
| 05:34.09 | Amarande | one of them anyway |
| 05:34.20 | kd3 | but that would involve *effort* |
| 05:34.23 | Adys | nop |
| 05:34.25 | Adys | they're just mean |
| 05:34.26 | Adys | :D |
| 05:34.27 | Amarande | on one of them I literally snagged the arena master trinket (since I happened to be digging there right around a 3 hour mark) without anyone else even showing up |
| 05:34.47 | Adys | Amarande |
| 05:34.53 | Dagmar | My guild leader wound up with that just by being persistant about checking for when no one was there |
| 05:34.54 | Adys | nobody does that thing anymore. |
| 05:35.22 | Amarande | Adys: people looking for cheeves, sometimes |
| 05:35.31 | pnorman | Ya - you need 12 of them |
| 05:35.49 | Amarande | I remember trying to snag it during the pre-LK zombie event, figuring everyone was busy griefing Shattrath and capitals, and got ganked :P |
| 05:36.14 | Amarande | Of course I was pretty much actively avoiding civilization during that event, too |
| 05:36.25 | Adys | Amarande |
| 05:36.29 | Adys | do you even enjoy playing this game? |
| 05:36.34 | Amarande | when I had to be in Shattrath, I would stay on my netherdrake at very high altitude above the central spire |
| 05:36.47 | Adys | when's the last time you even moved your mouth muscles. |
| 05:36.57 | Amarande | Adys: the zombie event was fun for a couple days. then it got boring and annoying. |
| 05:37.07 | kd3 | I rather enjoyed it |
| 05:37.11 | kd3 | cross-faction chat was nice |
| 05:37.17 | Adys | it barely lasted |
| 05:37.26 | Arrowmaster | it was epic until they hotfixed the exploit |
| 05:37.37 | Adys | what exploit? remind me |
| 05:37.44 | mckenziemc | braaaaaaaaans |
| 05:37.46 | mckenziemc | ins* |
| 05:37.57 | Arrowmaster | you got fully healed when swapping equipment |
| 05:38.08 | Adys | oO |
| 05:38.10 | Adys | i dont remember that |
| 05:38.21 | kd3 | yay, outland done. off to northrend |
| 05:38.26 | Adys | kd3: I wouldnt |
| 05:38.30 | Arrowmaster | so we macroed swapping items in ranged slot and went ganking in goldshire |
| 05:38.35 | Adys | kd3: outland is so much faster, especially as mage |
| 05:38.38 | Arrowmaster | could not be killed |
| 05:38.46 | Adys | kd3: the keystones also sell better |
| 05:39.14 | Adys | i levelled all the way to 525 in outland |
| 05:39.17 | Amarande | Yeah, the only danger in Outland is of being stuck with just 3 digsites to work with for potentially hours. |
| 05:39.34 | Amarande | Depending on whether you're in the 60s-70s or 80s when you do it, anyway |
| 05:39.54 | Adys | whats the danger in that? Oo |
| 05:40.15 | Amarande | Adys: if you get Halaa and it is not yours, you basically need to either wait until it is, or be at least 80+ 264 |
| 05:40.24 | Adys | ... what? |
| 05:40.33 | kd3 | or just capture it yourself? |
| 05:40.34 | Adys | you.. do know the guards hit for like 150. |
| 05:40.38 | Adys | and that |
| 05:40.40 | kd3 | soloed halaa all the time |
| 05:40.51 | Amarande | kd3: how high level? |
| 05:40.52 | Dagmar | ...or you could just get on the birdir and take it because it's not like anyone actually gives a crap about Halaa |
| 05:40.58 | kd3 | mid 60s? |
| 05:40.59 | Dagmar | I've soloed it 2-3 times out of boredom |
| 05:41.04 | karl_w_w | you can solo halaa at level 60 |
| 05:41.12 | Amarande | karl: that would seem class dependent, I'd imagine |
| 05:41.20 | Adys | lol Amarande no. |
| 05:41.25 | kd3 | you do know how halaa works, right? |
| 05:41.31 | Dagmar | Clearly he doesn't. |
| 05:41.31 | kd3 | it's not killing the guards with class spells |
| 05:41.33 | karl_w_w | some classes can't drop bombs :( |
| 05:41.43 | Amarande | kd3: actually, I am somewhat noobish with Halaa. |
| 05:41.45 | Dagmar | The classes that can't figure out the keyboard? |
| 05:41.51 | Adys | Amarande: that makes more sense |
| 05:41.54 | karl_w_w | the lower classes :P |
| 05:41.57 | kd3 | get on a wyvern, drop bombs, repeat |
| 05:41.59 | Amarande | the one time I did cap it, I was with a druid with good heals on my ICC geared DK, and we just killed the guards normally |
| 05:42.16 | Dagmar | So, when can we get the Chicken Little title in here |
| 05:42.16 | Adys | Amarande: use the wyverns to kill all guards using the bombs, once all guards are down go in halaa pvp on and stand there for 5 mins |
| 05:42.17 | Adys | voila |
| 05:42.17 | kd3 | that's what the four marked outposts are for outside of town |
| 05:42.20 | Amarande | main thing is, I keep going near the spots on the map where it says Wyvern camps are, but I never actually see anything special. |
| 05:42.31 | kd3 | because you need to interact with them to use them |
| 05:42.41 | kd3 | it's like a 10-sec cast to make them usable |
| 05:42.41 | Adys | either way |
| 05:42.41 | pnorman | The quickest way to do halaa is have someone tank all 15 guards in the middle and bomb |
| 05:42.48 | Adys | you REALLY dont need halaa to dig there |
| 05:43.00 | karl_w_w | what Adys said |
| 05:43.08 | Dagmar | onoes level 60 guards are nibbling at my ankles |
| 05:43.15 | Adys | even if you SOMEHOW are doing archeology without a flying mount |
| 05:43.21 | Adys | run in walking |
| 05:43.22 | clever | doesnt getting hit interupt the survey? |
| 05:43.28 | Adys | this shit wouldnt 1shot my lvl 5 mule |
| 05:43.33 | karl_w_w | interrupts collecting but not survey |
| 05:43.35 | Amarande | also, I wasn't thinking so much about 1-shots |
| 05:43.55 | Adys | clever: it does interrupt collecting, but the guards are slow and the spell is fast |
| 05:44.02 | clever | ah |
| 05:44.03 | Amarande | but rather, whether non-healing classes in the 60s or 70s can survive the attrition of fighting an enemy with over a hundred times their HP |
| 05:44.16 | clever | so enless you got 50 guards taking turns hitting you one by one |
| 05:44.29 | Amarande | which is basically what you have, if you aggro someone. |
| 05:44.30 | Adys | Amarande: i don't know how long you've been playing wow without knowing that, but here's a tip: |
| 05:44.33 | karl_w_w | most classes would have a way to stop them hitting you for a few seconds though |
| 05:44.34 | Adys | you can RUN AWAY from mobs. |
| 05:44.37 | Adys | you dont have to kill them. |
| 05:44.54 | karl_w_w | i think all classes |
| 05:45.02 | karl_w_w | except resto druids |
| 05:45.10 | Adys | entangling roots :P |
| 05:45.18 | Amarande | are they susceptible to cc? |
| 05:45.19 | karl_w_w | not if there's more than 1 :P |
| 05:45.23 | Adys | yes Amarande |
| 05:45.27 | clever | natures grasp |
| 05:45.32 | clever | auto-roots anything that touches you |
| 05:45.38 | Adys | thats not a resto talent is it |
| 05:46.20 | clever | i think its just a druid spell |
| 05:46.34 | Adys | it at least used to be a talent |
| 05:46.51 | Adys | but that was six years ago |
| 05:46.59 | karl_w_w | yeah it's just a spell now |
| 05:47.37 | karl_w_w | there's too much rooting going on at the moment, I feel bad for melee |
| 05:47.47 | Amarande | karl: yeah, melee really have it rough in cata |
| 05:47.51 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.00 | karl_w_w | not bad enough to respec my frost mage |
| 05:48.04 | karl_w_w | but bad |
| 05:48.28 | Amarande | It's not just PvP, either. |
| 05:48.48 | Adys | warriors are still OP |
| 05:48.57 | karl_w_w | feral druids* |
| 05:48.59 | Adys | and rogues/ferals have had it too easy for way, WAY too long |
| 05:49.29 | Amarande | There's also the predilection PvE mobs have for PBAoE attacks, which it seems used to be a lot rarer |
| 05:50.11 | Amarande | I'm really not looking forward to how bad I'm going to suck on heroic Ozruk as melee, for instance. |
| 05:50.28 | pnorman | I'm seeing more spell reflects and such too |
| 05:50.45 | Adys | melee that isn't tank dying on ozruk...? |
| 05:51.04 | Adys | unless it's lag or the guy somehow passed out at the computer screen, /votekick |
| 05:51.46 | Adys | and honestly Im done giving other players wiggle room. it feels great to be able to ask for skill in instances |
| 05:51.59 | Amarande | Adys: Oh, I have no intent of *dying*. |
| 05:52.56 | Amarande | I'm just going to feel like I'm contributing subparly to the fight because of how much my DPS will be sapped by the % of the fight that's spent either running away from shatter (which you have to run pretty far to get away from, apparently ... I'm glad frost-2H uses Unholy Presence) or running back in |
| 05:53.08 | Adys | who cares? |
| 05:53.17 | Adys | its not like theres a berserk timer on that fight |
| 05:54.49 | Amarande | yeah, right now I'm looking to see if there's any fights with trouble being near the boss a lot that *do* have timers |
| 05:55.21 | Adys | im sure there is in some hc raid |
| 05:56.07 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, I'm suspecting that's why even top guilds are finding it problematic to use MDPS in hardmodes |
| 05:56.38 | Amarande | if you have a tight berserk timer and a DPS that has to keep losing performance in order to avoid attacks that ranged don't have similar issues with, it makes sense to go exclusively ranged and bench the melee unless they can tank |
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| 05:57.03 | Adys | also kd3 am i the only one who cheered at this? "Righteous Fury is now unable to be dispelled." |
| 05:57.16 | kd3 | ooh |
| 05:57.26 | Adys | no more stupid purgefood |
| 05:57.39 | Dagmar | Or... it could be that HARD MODE IS HARD |
| 05:57.41 | Amarande | Adys: neat. |
| 05:58.11 | Amarande | although I probably missed all the encounters in which that change would be useful |
| 05:58.31 | pnorman | Garr! |
| 05:58.39 | Amarande | since it's really only important for PvE mobs that can dispel, and I never made it past 63 or so on a paladin, way back in BC |
| 05:59.17 | Amarande | In fact, in PvP, depending on how the game decides what magic effects get dispelled first, this change could be a negative. |
| 06:00.16 | Amarande | since, depending on dispel order mechanics, you might have used to be able to run RF simply as a cover buff to absorb the first dispels? like I said, I'm foggy on precisely how the game decides which get priority |
| 06:00.39 | Adys | .. its a pvp change |
| 06:00.40 | Amarande | or whether it's even been thought of much in WoW, unlike in Guild Wars where "cover" enchantments and hexes are a massive part of PvP strategy |
| 06:00.52 | Amarande | Adys: ah, someone must have thought of that strategy then :) |
| 06:00.56 | Adys | hence me saying "purgefood" |
| 06:01.11 | Amarande | Yeah, you would have hated Guild Wars then ;) |
| 06:01.24 | Amarande | Purgefood, as you call it, was pretty much an inherent part of PvP strategy there |
| 06:01.24 | Adys | as pnorman said, since Garr there really hasnt been any fight where purgefood was useful |
| 06:01.40 | Adys | er, its somewhat inherent in wow too |
| 06:02.01 | Adys | less so nowadays |
| 06:02.14 | Amarande | yeah, also with the fact that dispels can be spammed on the GCD |
| 06:02.19 | Adys | now that blizzard made a bunch of elixirs and stuff undispellable, and removed many stupid buffs (dampen magic) |
| 06:02.33 | Amarande | in GW it's a much more significant factor, because most dispels have not insignificant CDs |
| 06:03.00 | Amarande | so good purgefood can make it very hard indeed to touch the lower layers of the dispel stack |
| 06:03.56 | Amarande | there's a few things that can remove everything, but they tend to either require the elite skill slot, or have long CDs or both |
| 06:04.07 | Adys | Stupidly bugged pebble script. |
| 06:04.25 | Amarande | Adys: problems with Lost in the Deeps quest? |
| 06:04.43 | Adys | i hate escorts in general, but this one is just so bugged |
| 06:04.52 | Adys | between the jump script that's fubar |
| 06:04.58 | Adys | the exit not validating |
| 06:04.59 | Amarande | I remember something like a third to a half or so of the zone chat in Deepholm when I was questing there on the DK was complaints about that quest |
| 06:05.13 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that's legitimate complaint now and not QQ, especially now that you're getting it too |
| 06:05.16 | Jerub | Adys: is that the one at the start of vag? |
| 06:05.30 | Adys | Jerub: it's a daily in deepholm, somewhat rare |
| 06:05.34 | Jerub | oh right, nevermind |
| 06:05.41 | Adys | Amarande: they hotfixed a couple of bugs, but theres still multiple i see regularly |
| 06:05.57 | Jerub | btw, how do i get the daily in deepholm with ricket? is that just a rotation with the other therezane ones? |
| 06:06.04 | Adys | Jerub: rotation, aye |
| 06:06.07 | Jerub | i need it in order to kill that rare spawn |
| 06:06.20 | Adys | take it the first time you see it, and keep it around in your log |
| 06:06.36 | Jerub | ah, it needs to stay in your log? |
| 06:06.37 | Jerub | righto |
| 06:06.50 | Adys | it doesnt have to, you just need the quest item |
| 06:07.09 | Adys | if you dont care about the char you're on you can just jump to the rare spot and log out there |
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| 06:15.11 | Amarande | you know, speaking of RF, why, oh why are there still LFD tanks that forget to use it? |
| 06:15.50 | Shirik | You assume that tanks choose to tank because they know how to play |
| 06:15.52 | Shirik | no |
| 06:15.57 | Shirik | they choose to tank because it gives them faster queues |
| 06:16.13 | Amarande | Shirik: honestly, you do need a certain competence at tanking or you will get vote kicked |
| 06:16.33 | Shirik | 30 seconds later you've got a new group |
| 06:16.35 | Amarande | I tried that faster-queues gig once at 70 or so on my DK while leveling, and I think I only got a little past Keleseth before they decided they'd had enough of me |
| 06:17.01 | Amarande | of course, Keleseth was a given, since a wet sponge can tank Keleseth if said sponge can do enough TPS. :P |
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| 06:17.26 | Amarande | but yeah, that was the beginning of understanding that DK tanking mechanics and I were not a match. |
| 06:18.18 | Amarande | though I haven't tried again since Cata. I may be forced to eventually, depending on just how bad the melee situation is at higher end raiding, and the votekick issue in LFD |
| 06:18.46 | Amarande | so far I've been mostly only leveling my mage on my Alliance server and only showing up on the Horde DK for the occasional guild group or raid |
| 06:20.55 | Amarande | I thought I might be able to avoid seeing the votekick issue, but apparently I was wrong, unless I *only* do the one or two or so heroic groups guild does in a day |
| 06:21.39 | Amarande | Blizzard does their best, I guess. Sadly no game designer is able to give players a debuff to Douchebag. |
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| 06:31.06 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:32.04 | karl_w_w | Fiskers Fisker |
| 06:36.56 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 06:36.56 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 06:38.52 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2011/01/in-loving-memory/ |
| 06:41.50 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/149061/dungeon-queue-should-be-performance-based money quote: "We have some long-term design goals in mind for this we're not quite prepared to share this early on though." |
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| 07:08.41 | Fisker | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:08.42 | Fisker | slaps mckenziemc around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:15.43 | Jerub | i'd like to know i they plan on trickling out more arch rares |
| 07:18.00 | Fisker | i they plan? |
| 07:18.04 | Fisker | what does that even mean? |
| 07:18.16 | Jerub | if |
| 07:18.22 | Fisker | i they plan means if? |
| 07:18.24 | Jerub | i once iffed a man. |
| 07:22.06 | mckenziemc | you blinded Fisker with science |
| 07:23.20 | Jerub | . o O ( with library science? ) |
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| 07:48.12 | Shirik | this seems like a really fun game |
| 07:48.13 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LUOkgaj18E&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL |
| 07:48.18 | Shirik | I especially like the music |
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| 07:52.08 | Nobgul | Anyone here ever use kgpanels and have a moment to help me |
| 07:57.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:58.47 | mckenziemc | slaps Fisker around with a wet noodle |
| 07:59.05 | mitch0 | noodlebug! |
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| 08:01.43 | Fisker | i might have to kill a guy mitch0 |
| 08:03.49 | mitch0 | bought a glyph yesterday for 19s. turned out it wasn't worth even that much ;) |
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| 08:51.03 | mckenziemc | anyone know of an addon that tracks how often your other guildmates spend online? i realize it wouldn't be flawless but an estimation is enough |
| 08:51.49 | unfo- | >> implies you are online all the time to track them? |
| 08:52.11 | Nobgul | mckenziemc, check GuildMaster |
| 08:52.22 | Nobgul | Hes working on several things not sure if that is one |
| 08:55.35 | zenzio | now this is what Cenarius should've looked like... http://images.cheezburger.com/imagestore/2009/7/20/49ca6b58-8e5c-4f0e-9a02-9a71d1606083.jpg |
| 09:00.25 | mckenziemc | yes unfo |
| 09:00.40 | mckenziemc | though one could also use Last Online to estimate, i suppose |
| 09:03.11 | Nobgul | Well that really wouldn't give you a time they are on though. |
| 09:05.09 | mckenziemc | really i just need to know how active they are. not sure if the Weekly Activity thing would be useful because it only considers the last week and would have to be adjusted to compensate for level |
| 09:05.56 | mckenziemc | like, is this guy a few-days-a-week guy, once-a-week, or once-a-month |
| 09:06.42 | mckenziemc | (not a particular person, but anyone, i'm gm of the guild and that might help manage the distinction between Initiate/Member/Veteran |
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| 09:13.15 | Nobgul | I mean. Not sure if you could capture the info from /played |
| 09:13.34 | Nobgul | but if you can then you could create a addon to capture the info from the players and send you the data and format it |
| 09:14.24 | mckenziemc | i don't want to require that members have a data-collection addon |
| 09:14.43 | mckenziemc | this is a casual / leveling guild btw not a raiding guild |
| 09:15.09 | mckenziemc | though i guess i could frame it as 'if you want to be an officer' |
| 09:15.52 | Nobgul | the only other way i guess would to be to capture the ..... has loged on. and the ....... has logged off. store the info add it up and then send it to the gm |
| 09:15.57 | Nobgul | have the officers run the addon |
| 09:18.25 | Nobgul | Other then that not sure of any other way |
| 09:21.54 | Dagmar | Pfft. Windows users. |
| 09:21.58 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 09:22.04 | mckenziemc | i don't need it down to hour precision really. i think i'll just write an addon designed to answer the question 'in the last x days (eg. 30), on how many of those days did this player log in' |
| 09:23.07 | mckenziemc | i still can't be 100% accurate if i'm the only one running it, but if i record data on Tuesday lets say, then i don't log on till Thursday, anyone offline > 24 hours obviously wasn't online wednesday |
| 09:23.43 | mckenziemc | (number's not completely accurate but i know to consider the actual time diff |
| 09:24.34 | Nobgul | Unless you can figure out exactly what the weekly and total activity takes into consideration |
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| 09:26.30 | mckenziemc | in slightly related news, i wish there was a 'Edit Own Public Note' option in the rank controls : / |
| 09:26.41 | mckenziemc | so i could let people set their own but not mess with others' |
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| 09:27.11 | Kalroth | hell no, that is one of the officer priviledges |
| 09:27.56 | Kalroth | to set the notes of peons to "likes to stand in fire" or "yet another <racist term here>" |
| 09:28.26 | mckenziemc | Kalroth: i didn't mean -replace- the current option |
| 09:28.29 | mckenziemc | i mean in addition to |
| 09:28.36 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:28.43 | Nobgul | Kinda a can set own note |
| 09:28.57 | mckenziemc | so officers+ could still set everyone's note but members could only set their own |
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| 09:29.40 | mckenziemc | Members referring to a specific rank in that sentence |
| 09:32.15 | Kalroth | as long as they cant change the note the officers set, sure! |
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| 09:32.56 | mckenziemc | heh true |
| 09:36.59 | mckenziemc | heh, i clicked on a stack of clams too quickly and got the "It's still recharging" error xD |
| 09:39.35 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 09:39.58 | mckenziemc | what kind of things do your guilds use officer notes for? |
| 09:40.09 | mckenziemc | 'you' being anyone who's reading |
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| 09:40.33 | mckenziemc | i could just make officer notes readable by everyone, since i don't use them for anything else |
| 09:40.35 | Nobgul | looting info |
| 09:40.41 | Nobgul | For epgp |
| 09:40.58 | Nobgul | public notes that is. My officer notes has the officers tele #'s in it |
| 09:41.50 | mckenziemc | ah |
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| 10:13.03 | mitch0 | dumdidum |
| 10:15.32 | mckenziemc | dododo |
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| 10:18.18 | airtonix | fumanchoo |
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| 10:28.01 | electronicmaji | mmm |
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| 10:28.12 | electronicmaji | big hard hairy penises |
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| 11:06.28 | mckenziemc1 | how do lua.bak files work? does the client just rename the existing .lua file to .lua.bak if teh latter doesn't already exist, and then proceed to write the new saved vars? |
| 11:32.37 | foxlit | Something like that. |
| 11:32.41 | foxlit | In short, they're useless |
| 11:32.55 | mckenziemc | well, |
| 11:33.30 | mckenziemc | i guess the idea is that you create your own batch task to move them to an archive location, and don't have to do anythnig to tell the client to actually write them |
| 11:33.59 | mckenziemc | (haven't actually tested if that would even work though) |
| 11:34.00 | airtonix | vestigial leftover |
| 11:34.55 | airtonix | you should be using a proper version control system anyway |
| 11:36.53 | foxlit | For saved vars? Screw that! |
| 11:37.13 | foxlit | My new policy is to simply run with defaults |
| 11:37.28 | airtonix | runs foxlit with defaults |
| 11:40.40 | Kalroth | default best fault |
| 11:45.09 | mckenziemc | problem with a vcs is it gets messy since table keys don't serialize in a consistent order :p |
| 11:45.27 | mckenziemc | assuming no pre-commit hook's in place to fix that |
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| 11:51.50 | karl_w_w | dog + caffeine = bad |
| 11:53.28 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 11:54.26 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 11:54.27 | bluspacecow | aaa |
| 11:54.32 | bluspacecow | aarroooooooo !!!! |
| 11:54.37 | bluspacecow | *scratch walls* |
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| 11:55.45 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 11:56.36 | angayelle | yesterday i released my buggiest version version of my addon, was quite fun fixing and raiding at the same time |
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| 12:05.06 | airtonix | how does that make you feel? |
| 12:05.34 | zenzio | http://www.jlowman.com/Gingerkids.htm o_O |
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| 12:18.15 | Derbaghashi | hello |
| 12:19.11 | mckenziemc | shrugs |
| 12:27.51 | angayelle | @ airtonix ehe i felt dumb, hopefully only 7k people dled the shitty version |
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| 12:39.02 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/derwydd/advanced |
| 12:39.11 | jnwhiteh | why is my average item level less than my equipped? |
| 12:39.20 | Shirik | I've asked that question before too |
| 12:39.27 | Shirik | Noone has ever managed to give me a good answer |
| 12:39.30 | jnwhiteh | and in-game it shows 340 |
| 12:39.31 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 12:39.32 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 12:39.55 | jnwhiteh | Any easy way to grind ER rep? |
| 12:39.56 | Shirik | the only answer I can give is "it checks items in inventory" |
| 12:40.02 | solo|work | I've heard if you have lower level items still in inventory it can effect it, but my understanding is that the whole ilvl thing is broken anyway |
| 12:40.14 | Shirik | I agree with solocommand |
| 12:40.17 | Shirik | solo|work too |
| 12:40.23 | solo|work | I am both :O |
| 12:40.24 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: dungeons, dungeons, and more dungeons. |
| 12:40.32 | jnwhiteh | blarg |
| 12:40.36 | foxlit | Have I mentioned dungeons yet? |
| 12:40.58 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 12:41.13 | jnwhiteh | how much tabard rep do you get for an average heroic? |
| 12:42.00 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 12:42.06 | solo|work | I got about 15-20% further in revered from h vp last night...whatever that equates to |
| 12:42.09 | jnwhiteh | I wish I had any desire to play the AH |
| 12:42.17 | jnwhiteh | I'd do the whole remote auction house thing :P |
| 12:42.34 | Shirik | I do |
| 12:42.35 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 12:42.37 | solo|work | heh, i would, but I already spend enough time not working as it is >.> |
| 12:42.41 | foxlit | I'm annoyed by the AH |
| 12:42.44 | Shirik | Exept |
| 12:42.45 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: what do you 'do'? |
| 12:42.46 | foxlit | especially people that undercut by 1c. |
| 12:42.51 | Shirik | I don't have an iphone yet |
| 12:42.58 | Shirik | so I have to do it on the web interface |
| 12:43.14 | jnwhiteh | could do it with an android phone instead =) |
| 12:43.14 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 12:43.19 | jnwhiteh | what do you do? |
| 12:43.25 | Shirik | It's very easy money actually, most people that use the AH have nfi what they're posting |
| 12:43.51 | Shirik | My typical strategy is to look for something that is priced very low, in demand, and doesn't have too many on the AH |
| 12:43.59 | Shirik | I'll then buy them all up and post for about double what I want |
| 12:44.06 | Shirik | people will undercut me, then I undercut them |
| 12:44.32 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:44.42 | mitch0 | shirik: seen this? http://code.google.com/p/wow-scripts/source/browse/auction_lib.py |
| 12:44.48 | jnwhiteh | everything that's in demand has tons of stuff on the AH right now |
| 12:44.56 | jnwhiteh | or I'd try to corner the herb market or something |
| 12:44.59 | Shirik | can't say I have, mitch0 |
| 12:45.05 | jnwhiteh | I have the capital to do it easily |
| 12:45.08 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Flasks and gems are doing pretty well for me |
| 12:45.19 | Shirik | though gems you have to be careful with because they're devaluing |
| 12:45.24 | mitch0 | shirik: well, if you get bored and polish that to something usable, drop me a note :) |
| 12:45.34 | Shirik | But just yesterday I made about 2500g off flask of titanic strength |
| 12:45.52 | Shirik | # Apache License, blah blah, it's a few hundred lines of python. |
| 12:46.06 | jnwhiteh | I can make about 1k a morning, in about 15 minutes |
| 12:46.21 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: with what? |
| 12:46.23 | jnwhiteh | when I wake up, I port to Uldum.. xmute life to air, do a single circuit of whiptail |
| 12:46.38 | jnwhiteh | 400g profit on the volatiles and then 200-300g per stack of whiptail |
| 12:46.49 | Shirik | I have no gathering profession :( |
| 12:47.53 | jnwhiteh | Whiptail sucks since there's only one place it can be found |
| 12:48.00 | jnwhiteh | but I've found its not farmed when I wake up in the morning |
| 12:48.08 | jnwhiteh | Stormvine is the bane of my existence =( |
| 12:48.37 | Shirik | no |
| 12:48.42 | Shirik | azshara's veil |
| 12:48.46 | Shirik | I will give you my firstborn for a stack |
| 12:49.11 | jnwhiteh | umm get on a seahorse, problem solved |
| 12:49.19 | jnwhiteh | its all over shimmering expanse |
| 12:49.21 | Shirik | not a gatherer! |
| 12:49.27 | jnwhiteh | ah, shoulda been |
| 12:49.32 | jnwhiteh | you could level to 85 just gathering :P |
| 12:49.32 | Shirik | And all the other herbalists are lazy |
| 12:50.14 | foxlit | "Whiptail sucks since there's only one place it can be found" << two, technically |
| 12:50.23 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: where else? |
| 12:50.31 | foxlit | Tol Barad |
| 12:50.53 | jnwhiteh | I've never actually found it there |
| 12:50.54 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 12:53.11 | jnwhiteh | see, Khorium Ore |
| 12:53.23 | jnwhiteh | 45g normally sells for 100g |
| 12:53.30 | jnwhiteh | I should buy it and relist it |
| 12:53.37 | jnwhiteh | but then I have to keep watchign for people to undercut me :P |
| 12:58.42 | airtonix | do it |
| 13:00.53 | angayelle | jn you can up your equip points with pvp blues from honor |
| 13:01.51 | angayelle | no need to equip them too |
| 13:02.37 | Shirik | wtf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/64.18.42.136 |
| 13:02.42 | Shirik | some people are strange |
| 13:03.00 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: See, now you're getting the hang of it! |
| 13:03.09 | Shirik | :D |
| 13:03.15 | Shirik | but yeah, to play the AH you need time |
| 13:03.17 | Shirik | and a lot of it |
| 13:03.23 | Shirik | need to keep rechecking |
| 13:03.39 | mitch0 | need to make that .py script work |
| 13:03.41 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:05.31 | krka | mmm pie |
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| 13:08.59 | krka | wuphf! |
| 13:09.46 | Kalroth | Shirik: I was trying to vandalise your user page, but it seems to be blocked and it says I should contact you so you can unlock it! |
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| 13:11.27 | Shirik | Kalroth: Please file an arbitratration request at [[WP:ARBCOM]] |
| 13:11.33 | Shirik | obviously this is misuse of powers |
| 13:11.40 | Kalroth | clearly |
| 13:13.33 | Kalroth | I bet you're on [[WP:ANI]] a lot!! |
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| 13:14.26 | Shirik | I think actually my only purpose on wikipedai anymore is to deal with 4chan |
| 13:14.33 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:17.28 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 13:17.33 | jnwhiteh | until 4chan TAKES YOU OUT! |
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| 13:19.57 | foxlit | wonders if Shirik causes more vandalism than he prevents. |
| 13:20.06 | Shirik | possibly |
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| 13:35.13 | tlund | What am I doing wrong with my addon "AFK Quit"? Its on the curse website, but not in the downloader. :( |
| 13:35.48 | airtonix | i am building a dock for my phone out of chopsticks and cable ties =D |
| 13:35.57 | mckenziemc | client took it literally |
| 13:36.05 | karl_w_w | you rebel airtonix |
| 13:39.36 | bluspacecow | shirik i like how the guy sneak in an ascii reprensentation of a penis in there |
| 13:42.31 | zenzio | "In fact, where I live, Blizzard seems to be promoting the expansion pack pretty aggressively, something I have never seen them do before" - I've noticed this too |
| 13:42.33 | angayelle | tlund you could try the people in the curse irc channel rather |
| 13:42.44 | angayelle | which i don't recall the name btw |
| 13:42.53 | zenzio | curseforge I think |
| 13:43.03 | angayelle | what i thought but i'm not sure |
| 13:43.36 | mckenziemc | #wowace is usually the better place to ask |
| 13:43.37 | angayelle | i found the CE of cata in my lost supermarket in france, was pretty surprised |
| 13:43.44 | mckenziemc | no one reads #curseforge :p |
| 13:44.22 | mckenziemc | oh, i see he already posted it there x.x |
| 13:44.44 | angayelle | too bad i had the digital already, made me save some euros from the tentation, i could buy the kids some milk this week |
| 13:45.18 | karl_w_w | god i hope that was a joke :P |
| 13:45.49 | angayelle | they were pretty happy, cheerios with water is not that good after all |
| 13:46.52 | angayelle | it was a joke karl, tho i really hesitated to take the CE but my parent feelings won |
| 13:46.58 | karl_w_w | i'd blame the cheerios before the water |
| 13:48.18 | angayelle | water is evil anyway |
| 13:48.30 | angayelle | i try to avoid drinking that |
| 13:48.57 | karl_w_w | 100% of serial killers consume water |
| 13:49.08 | angayelle | true |
| 13:49.12 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 13:50.31 | tlund | yeah, #curseforge is dead, and i did ask in #wowace when no one answered here right away :) |
| 13:51.27 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5725210/thq-raids-mattels-toy-box |
| 13:54.47 | solo|work | tlund you get an answer yet? |
| 13:55.04 | tlund | solo|work: nopes :) |
| 13:56.02 | solo|work | If i remember right, there's a bit of a delay before it shows up in the client |
| 13:56.09 | solo|work | mine didn't show up there immediately either |
| 13:56.28 | tlund | solo|work: its been two weeks :) |
| 13:56.37 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 13:56.52 | tlund | Project Updated: 2 weeks ago |
| 13:56.54 | tlund | Files Updated: Tue, Dec 21 2010 |
| 13:56.58 | mckenziemc | your project in -not- experimental -and- has at least one beta/release, right? |
| 13:57.13 | solo|work | hmm |
| 13:57.14 | tlund | correct. |
| 13:57.20 | tlund | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/afkquit.aspx |
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| 13:58.56 | tlund | looks good to me :) |
| 13:59.09 | mckenziemc | did you upload that release before or after the project was approved? |
| 13:59.21 | Arrowmaster | youll probably need a real curse employee to help with this one |
| 13:59.51 | mckenziemc | if you uploaded it before approval, maybe it confused the curse client (just guessing here) |
| 14:00.21 | karl_w_w | the addon i uploaded before approval works fine in client |
| 14:00.39 | mitch0 | try tagging again. couldn't hurt |
| 14:00.45 | tlund | Arrowmaster: any suggestions on who to poke on irc? :) |
| 14:01.02 | Ackis | I'm looking into it tlund |
| 14:01.07 | tlund | Ackis: excellent! |
| 14:01.45 | karl_w_w | as far as i can tell ackis runs curse single-handedly :P |
| 14:01.50 | Ackis | I don't |
| 14:01.57 | Ackis | I'm not even employed by them :P |
| 14:08.58 | Ackis | there's a url that gives info about file statuses and whatnot that I can't remember for hte life of me, it might have to wait until one of the actual employees gets into the office |
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| 14:10.08 | ryanxpei | hey guys |
| 14:10.29 | tlund | Ackis: the file downloads fine via "manual download" (and has been working since it was created by the packager) |
| 14:10.57 | tlund | Ackis: will you poke someone about it, or should i contact someone? |
| 14:11.05 | mckenziemc | is 'instantiation' the right word for creating an instance of a class |
| 14:12.44 | ryanxpei | I created this video which has been getting a lot of positive feedback. The only problem is, I've had so many requests to create an addon that does what I did so other's can do the same, but I have zero knowledge of programming for the buttons. |
| 14:12.46 | Ackis | I'll poke someone about it tlund |
| 14:13.13 | mckenziemc | what does yours do? |
| 14:14.08 | karl_w_w | pretty sure it is the right word mckenziemc |
| 14:16.13 | mckenziemc | or, what does your video show |
| 14:16.31 | ryanxpei | Oh, it's me tanking, but pretending to be a robot. |
| 14:16.54 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 14:17.08 | airtonix | reported |
| 14:17.18 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 14:17.28 | karl_w_w | so what is this addon supposed to do? |
| 14:17.31 | ryanxpei | What do you guys use for creating addons? Google brought me to wow addon studio through first searches. |
| 14:17.48 | mckenziemc | notepad++ |
| 14:17.48 | airtonix | i use smoke signals and a chap in nasa uses notepad on my behald |
| 14:17.51 | airtonix | behalf |
| 14:17.57 | karl_w_w | I use an airtonix |
| 14:18.13 | ryanxpei | Nothing spectacular. Just when you click a button, say some text. If someone says yes/no say something else. |
| 14:18.14 | airtonix | karl and i are ludites |
| 14:18.21 | mckenziemc | airtonix + Fisker + water = instant addon |
| 14:18.32 | airtonix | no mckenziemc |
| 14:18.44 | airtonix | i need kindling as well |
| 14:19.13 | karl_w_w | ebook fan are you? |
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| 14:19.23 | ryanxpei | To do the videos I made a bundle of party chat macros, but it uses all my macros and isn't very good to keep doing it. |
| 14:19.37 | tlund | Ackis: thanks! |
| 14:19.48 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 14:20.59 | ryanxpei | Pretty sure I could do mostly everything I need if I can get it to say 'something'' and if someone says Y or N say something else. But my lack of knowledge has brought me here to see if anyone wanted to work with me XD |
| 14:21.29 | airtonix | first thing you should do is visit github and make an account |
| 14:21.35 | mckenziemc | i'm not very familiar with anythnig graphical, but basically you create the function to say something, create a button, call theButton:SetScript('OnClick', someFunc) and watch CHAT_MSG_SAY for teh response |
| 14:21.38 | airtonix | become familiar with revision control |
| 14:21.44 | ryanxpei | Yeah I have the graphics down pat. |
| 14:22.00 | mckenziemc | airtonix |
| 14:22.04 | mckenziemc | you forgot pil |
| 14:22.09 | mckenziemc | oh nvm, you deleted it |
| 14:22.18 | airtonix | that was the other airtonix |
| 14:23.12 | airtonix | "so when you were back'n away, which direcshun were ya going?" |
| 14:23.26 | airtonix | "hoho, i always go backwards when i back up" |
| 14:23.38 | ryanxpei | somefunc eh |
| 14:24.22 | mckenziemc | function someFunc() SendChatMessage(iForgotWhatAllTheParametersAre) end |
| 14:24.28 | mckenziemc | !api SendChatMessage |
| 14:24.29 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 14:24.59 | ryanxpei | nice link, will have to visit it. |
| 14:25.17 | airtonix | ~github |
| 14:25.22 | ryanxpei | I'm there too. |
| 14:25.26 | mckenziemc | ~airtonix |
| 14:25.43 | mckenziemc | ~botsnack |
| 14:25.43 | purl | mckenziemc: :) |
| 14:25.51 | airtonix | does notepad++ make git easy ? |
| 14:26.17 | cbreak | git makes git easy :) |
| 14:26.25 | airtonix | hardly |
| 14:26.30 | Thunder_Child | except for the git part |
| 14:26.37 | airtonix | ^ |
| 14:26.38 | mckenziemc | don't worry about git yet :p |
| 14:26.43 | cbreak | I find git really easy :) |
| 14:26.47 | airtonix | but in comparison to svn this is true |
| 14:26.54 | cbreak | (compared to things like programming) |
| 14:27.01 | airtonix | or watching films |
| 14:27.27 | Thunder_Child | or having sex with children |
| 14:27.46 | airtonix | reported |
| 14:27.51 | angayelle | REPORTED TOO |
| 14:27.53 | ryanxpei | I won't worry. I don't plan on making many addons. I just got a lot of request to make one, and I was like ;[ because I don't know anything about it. |
| 14:27.54 | cbreak | I have no experience with difficulty of that. |
| 14:27.55 | angayelle | damn caps |
| 14:27.57 | krka | subversion is like a cheap calculator, works fine and easy until you need something slightly complex |
| 14:28.06 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: whats your sekret? |
| 14:28.12 | angayelle | ryanxpei and what that link to your video hmm ? |
| 14:28.18 | krka | git is like the graphing calculator with programming support |
| 14:28.45 | ryanxpei | it's nothing special |
| 14:28.47 | krka | harder to learn, but at least useful |
| 14:28.51 | ryanxpei | I just did it for the fun of it the other day. |
| 14:28.58 | angayelle | gief the link, damn |
| 14:29.09 | ryanxpei | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoxjeLnCqlE the end with the boss is the best part. |
| 14:29.09 | cbreak | I do not think that git is harder to learn than svn |
| 14:29.21 | cbreak | it's just that it requires relearning if you are tainted by svn |
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| 14:29.27 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:29.31 | cbreak | space |
| 14:29.43 | Thunder_Child | nice try cbreak |
| 14:29.43 | karl_w_w | play |
| 14:29.44 | mckenziemc | hmm, windows scripting question, i'm writing another .cmd file, but it will have to run with administrator privileges. when i do that, its working directory changes to C:\Windows\System32. Is there any console variable that will say where the command was started from, so that i don't have to hardcode the path? |
| 14:29.48 | ryanxpei | if you watch it all, you kind of get an idea of what I want the addon to do. |
| 14:29.53 | mckenziemc | ~lunesta |
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| 14:30.36 | karl_w_w | ewwww windows |
| 14:31.08 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 14:32.36 | airtonix | mckenziemc, use wmi instead bro |
| 14:33.24 | cbreak | mckenziemc: can't you store the current work dir in some variable beforehand? |
| 14:33.31 | cbreak | or use something sane instead of cmd? |
| 14:33.36 | cbreak | like perl? |
| 14:33.42 | Lunessa | You can, but I forget the syntax for it. |
| 14:33.48 | cbreak | or... something actually sane? |
| 14:34.03 | mckenziemc | because i'm trying to avoid 'dependencies' in my development stuff, when possible |
| 14:34.14 | cbreak | windows is a heavy dependency :/ |
| 14:34.32 | mckenziemc | not if i provide both a cmd and a bash script |
| 14:34.33 | ryanxpei | hm |
| 14:34.40 | angayelle | fun stuff ryan |
| 14:34.45 | ryanxpei | function someFunc() SendChatMessage("HEALER READY? Y/N TO PROCEED!", "Party") end ? XD |
| 14:35.19 | mckenziemc | yeah, but i think it needs to be "PARTY" |
| 14:35.28 | ryanxpei | oh yea? |
| 14:35.36 | angayelle | you have the basics for creating an addon ? |
| 14:35.45 | ryanxpei | no ! |
| 14:35.45 | cbreak | mckenziemc: maybe @set CURDIR=%cd% |
| 14:35.46 | karl_w_w | starts a party |
| 14:36.37 | angayelle | then if you wanna create it, you need some read, you can have a look at http://www.wowpedia.org/HOWTOs |
| 14:36.39 | airtonix | calls the police |
| 14:36.45 | mckenziemc | i'm not even very familiar with cmds so i may not be understanding what that does, but i do know that %cd% will refer to C:\Windows\System32, not the spot the file was launched from |
| 14:37.12 | mckenziemc | when launched with Run As Administrator, which i need in order to use mklink |
| 14:37.16 | angayelle | other than that, this function is used to send messages into chat window but you need something to trigger it |
| 14:37.25 | mckenziemc | i'll check to be sure |
| 14:37.43 | mckenziemc | angayelle: it's for an OnClick script |
| 14:37.47 | angayelle | be it a manual keypress on some button you created, which is the same as your macros but easily packed into an addon |
| 14:37.59 | angayelle | what i said |
| 14:38.07 | ryanxpei | I can't find the chat_message_say on wowprogramming site hehe ;[ |
| 14:38.48 | mckenziemc | err i meant CHAT_MSG_PARTY, since it'll be party chat |
| 14:38.59 | ryanxpei | well, same deal I guess |
| 14:39.05 | ryanxpei | for the base of it |
| 14:39.13 | mckenziemc | !api CHAT_MSG_PARTY |
| 14:39.13 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_PARTY: Fires when a message is received in the party chat channel (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_PARTY) |
| 14:39.42 | mckenziemc | you'd need to do something special so that it only responds once, and knows the right time |
| 14:39.51 | cbreak | mckenziemc: you have to do that before you launch it as admin of course |
| 14:40.03 | mckenziemc | how would i do that |
| 14:40.08 | ryanxpei | meh it can respond as much as it wants haha |
| 14:40.09 | cbreak | store it in a variable, then launch as admin... |
| 14:40.32 | mckenziemc | cbreak: i'm launching this from windows explorer |
| 14:40.42 | ryanxpei | now let me see where this would fit in after the last one |
| 14:41.56 | mckenziemc | i can't watch your video because i'm on dialup, so i'm not sure of what you're trying to do, btw |
| 14:42.34 | angayelle | ryanxpei, have a look at your irc, i'm talking to you in private |
| 14:42.50 | ryanxpei | sneaky |
| 14:43.02 | ryanxpei | I think if (event=="CHAT_MSG_PARTY") then looks good |
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| 14:45.10 | karl_w_w | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/817817-Creating-Your-Own-WoW-Addon |
| 14:45.54 | ryanxpei | links good, thanks. |
| 14:45.58 | mckenziemc | don't think that has the info he needs, karl_w_w |
| 14:46.04 | mckenziemc | ah nvm then >< |
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| 15:14.19 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-23916.html I have to wonder if they're talking about a pet or a person here. |
| 15:16.04 | karl_w_w | i can't work out how that message would make sense for either |
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| 15:27.12 | Dagmar | That site is just a horrorshow today |
| 15:28.28 | foxlit | Dagmar: ? |
| 15:28.42 | Dagmar | textsfromlastnight |
| 15:28.58 | Dagmar | It's catching the bulk of the most hungover NYE messages now |
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| 15:39.04 | Dagmar | I swear. Kids should be required to read this before they reach drinking age. |
| 15:39.53 | Amarande | what? |
| 15:40.24 | Dagmar | textsfromlastnight.com |
| 15:41.38 | Amarande | ah heh |
| 15:41.51 | Dagmar | I mean o.O http://textsfromlastnight.com/Texts-From-Areacode-937.html |
| 15:41.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: btw, have people on your server already been demanding achievement links for BH of all things? o.0 |
| 15:42.03 | Dagmar | BH? |
| 15:42.18 | Amarande | granted, I'm nowhere near 85 on this server, but still. It's freakin' BH. It's like asking for cheeve for VOA. |
| 15:42.20 | Amarande | The new VOA, basically |
| 15:42.26 | karl_w_w | yes Amarande |
| 15:42.26 | Dagmar | What's BH? |
| 15:42.32 | Amarande | Baradin Hold |
| 15:42.40 | Amarande | the new "you can only do this boss if you have Tol Barad" raid |
| 15:42.41 | Dagmar | Oh, I could give two shits if they do or not |
| 15:42.52 | Dagmar | I've not been logged in ini the last four days becuase of this damn fever |
| 15:42.55 | karl_w_w | could you? that's good to know |
| 15:43.02 | karl_w_w | at least somebody cares :P |
| 15:43.02 | Amarande | some of these people in trade just make me roll eyes, though |
| 15:43.12 | Dagmar | ...and I've already seen gits recruiting for their heroic group wanting an avergae item level of like 359 |
| 15:43.34 | Dagmar | Of course, when I checked the armory, that person wasn't even able to queue for randoms. |
| 15:44.41 | Amarande | heh, probably a good thing for him, or people would ask why he wasn't using the queue system to put the group in |
| 15:44.52 | Amarande | then after he used the queue, they'd probably vote kick him at the first opportunity :) |
| 15:45.02 | Amarande | which is quite an appropriate use of vote kick. unlike SOME uses of it I've seen lately. |
| 15:45.39 | Dagmar | heh |
| 15:46.21 | karl_w_w | i got vote kicked on third boss of H GB because I was the only person killing the adds |
| 15:46.40 | Amarande | karl: I was hoping that the DPS warrior/DK near-automatic votekick thing was just forum QQ |
| 15:47.14 | Amarande | until I joined my first random LFD heroic and discovered that, indeed, when things go south it *is* apparently the norm for groups to try things like votekicking such DPS in hopes of getting one with better CC |
| 15:47.39 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 15:47.46 | karl_w_w | i havent seen that happen |
| 15:47.58 | Amarande | yeah, apparently if the group as a whole is suck, it's your fault for bringing plate DPS to it. |
| 15:48.17 | Amarande | FWIW, my GM said that group probably never managed to finish the instance anyway :) |
| 15:48.34 | Amarande | One thing I *HAVE* seen though, and that probably should be taken seriously by Blizzard |
| 15:48.46 | Amarande | is that they should change it from three to four votes needed (i.e., unanimous) for a vote kick |
| 15:49.10 | mitch0 | I ask for the greater consensus! |
| 15:49.39 | Amarande | Four votes needed means it only takes *one* person who's not a douchebag in the group for such practices to fail. |
| 15:49.49 | Amarande | Not that it makes a difference in the long run, since a failed votekick usually leads to ragequits anyway |
| 15:50.35 | mitch0 | I've only ever seen one votekick. |
| 15:50.44 | karl_w_w | a great idea is to just not use the dungeon finder |
| 15:50.51 | Dagmar | I see 'em on zergtanks all the time |
| 15:50.54 | karl_w_w | even if u pug a group in trade it's better |
| 15:50.58 | Dagmar | Usually it's the healer starting them. |
| 15:51.03 | Amarande | GRAH, I'm never going to get Old Man Barlowned |
| 15:51.10 | mitch0 | karl: nah, I kinda like the random pugs. most fun that way |
| 15:51.15 | Amarande | stupid RNG has given me Felblood Fillet all but two days now. :| |
| 15:51.21 | mitch0 | not necessarily a completed dungeon though ;) |
| 15:51.28 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 15:51.50 | mitch0 | the biggest problem is that most ppl just ragequit at first hints of harship in pugs |
| 15:52.10 | Amarande | is starting to think that cooking/fishing dailies like that should be cycled, or be all 4-5 dailies in a random order over that many days period |
| 15:52.23 | Amarande | a lot of servers are having RNG issues where it's the same one several days in a row |
| 15:53.00 | karl_w_w | i think blizzard have more important rng issues to work on first |
| 15:53.05 | cbreak | if it was not possible to have the same output of a RNG two times in a row, then it would not be random |
| 15:53.05 | Dagmar | I think you need some patience |
| 15:53.06 | karl_w_w | looks at archaeology |
| 15:53.17 | Dagmar | Old Man Barlow has been there _how long_? |
| 15:53.25 | jnwhiteh | they don't have RNG |
| 15:53.28 | jnwhiteh | issues |
| 15:53.31 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure you've not been banging on that guy for months on end |
| 15:53.32 | jnwhiteh | they're RNG is actually world class |
| 15:53.37 | jnwhiteh | their |
| 15:53.38 | jnwhiteh | jesus |
| 15:53.39 | jnwhiteh | stab me |
| 15:53.45 | karl_w_w | it's not random anyway cbreak, it's psuedo-random :P |
| 15:53.53 | Dagmar | stabs jnwhite with a sharpened apostrophe |
| 15:54.00 | cbreak | I bet they suck entropy from user input |
| 15:54.02 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: WHERE IS MY OTHER H? |
| 15:54.06 | cbreak | user input is truely random |
| 15:54.21 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: I probably just blew it into a kleenex |
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| 15:54.42 | cbreak | for example, if you roll, you get the output of the random number generator at that point in time |
| 15:54.43 | Dagmar | Seriously I haven't been sick for this long in at least 10-12 years. I hate 2011 |
| 15:54.57 | eClaire | Hello~ I have finally thought of a useful addon that I can't seem to find someone else's copy of |
| 15:54.58 | cbreak | if you had rolled later, you would get a different result. unpredictably. random. |
| 15:55.09 | cbreak | based on physical randomness of the world |
| 15:55.57 | eClaire | my idea is to calculate the cheapest route to max skill in a profession based on auctioneer data. but I have only a rudimentary knowledge of LUA and no idea how I might be able to access such data. |
| 15:56.30 | Dagmar | You dont' really need to calculate that in realtime |
| 15:56.50 | eClaire | well, I would like it to use up-to-date auctioneer data |
| 15:57.14 | karl_w_w | i suspect the reason that such an addon doesn't exist is the sheer complexity of it |
| 15:57.18 | eClaire | I know a lot of addons reference auctioneer; is there some guide or something that I might be able to find out how to do that, or do I just have to read the source code till I find what I'm looking for? |
| 15:57.30 | Fisker | damn jnwhiteh |
| 15:57.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, it does seem at least a good idea |
| 15:57.44 | Dagmar | Examine Lil' Sparky's Workshop |
| 15:57.51 | Amarande | at least for "what's the cheapest way to get my next 5 points" or such :) |
| 15:58.07 | Amarande | although really I rarely have issues with money being the problem when leveling a profession |
| 15:58.21 | Amarande | where I tear hair out is when I reach a point where the mats are stupidly tedious to farm and there isn't anywhere near enough (or even any) on AH |
| 15:58.22 | Dagmar | Amarande: Problem being, there's very few places where auction data is even goign to matter for most tradeskills |
| 15:58.26 | Amarande | 340-350 LW, for instance |
| 15:58.48 | Amarande | People complain about volatiles, I found that the most efficient way to go from 340-350 LW meant farming *four hundred motes of fire* |
| 15:59.01 | Dagmar | You were doing it wrong then |
| 15:59.05 | Amarande | (And was just glad that the elemental armor kit pattern I had was the one that USED fire and not some other element (OH GOD AIR)) |
| 15:59.36 | eClaire | my goal is to be able to buy or farm all the materials you need *before* leveling it up, so that one can for example drop herbalism for alchemy |
| 15:59.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: ok, what is the most efficient way to go 340-350, that doesn't require investing in extra mats to cover yellow/green that failed to give a point? |
| 15:59.57 | eClaire | lilsparky's workshop does look like it would be easier to trudge through than auctioneer. thanks. |
| 15:59.57 | Dagmar | Seriously. You were definitely going it wrong there. That range is all about heavy knothide leather and maybe some fel scales |
| 16:00.10 | Dagmar | i.e., "demon pig huntin'" |
| 16:00.19 | Amarande | Yeah, fel scales would have been an issue. They pretty much nerfed the drop rate on those severely. |
| 16:00.28 | Amarande | And everything at 340 requires *some* sort of additional mats besides just the leather. |
| 16:00.43 | Dagmar | No. |
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| 16:00.53 | Dagmar | You could have just kept making vests. |
| 16:01.28 | eClaire | I don't remember having a problem at 340-350 LW |
| 16:01.44 | karl_w_w | why would you completely exclude yellow/green recipes? |
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| 16:02.05 | Amarande | *wishes wowhead had a filter for "is orange at skill" (X)* |
| 16:02.08 | nevcairiel | green can be annoying for skill ups, but yellow is fine |
| 16:02.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you insist on only making orange recipes, yes, your life will be pain. As it shoudl be for being thick about it. |
| 16:03.04 | Amarande | yeah, the vests might have indeed been better. |
| 16:03.05 | eClaire | yeah, that'd be it. I kept making vests. |
| 16:03.07 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/spells=11.165?filter=minrs=330;maxrs=350;cr=20;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 16:03.07 | Amarande | yup. |
| 16:03.18 | Amarande | everything else does, yeah, involve tearing-your-hair-out mats |
| 16:04.32 | eClaire | but 3 heavy knothide and 3 rune thread? come on, even if you miss a point on 3 or 4 of them it's still cheaper than staying orange |
| 16:04.51 | karl_w_w | could have done scaled draenic boots |
| 16:04.53 | eClaire | even just in the number of leathers |
| 16:04.54 | Amarande | yeah, staying orange is probably only cost effective in a few professions. |
| 16:04.58 | Amarande | inscription, mainly |
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| 16:05.14 | Amarande | and *that* largely because orange glyphs always give 3 |
| 16:06.50 | eClaire | enchanting at high levels, too. The weapon recipes give a lot and sell for cost, unlike the others which sell at a loss |
| 16:07.20 | Slaren | on my server a scroll of heartsong sells for 200g :( |
| 16:07.46 | eClaire | mine's been fluctuating between 150 and 300, but so have the materials |
| 16:08.02 | Amarande | btw, am I correct that staves at 85 are primarily a healer thing, unless you get really lucky with dwarf archaeology? |
| 16:08.19 | Slaren | staves are just bad, with the OH enchants |
| 16:08.55 | Amarande | we had the BoE 359 staff drop from trash during our first baby steps into BoT, and someone in guild said that was the *only* caster staff that drops at that ilvl |
| 16:08.56 | jnwhiteh | there are OH enchants? |
| 16:08.59 | Amarande | it's a spirit staff, so for healers |
| 16:09.01 | eClaire | yes, +100 int |
| 16:09.03 | Amarande | jnwhiteh: yeah, there's that +100 int to offhand one |
| 16:09.04 | Dagmar | Staves are basically for people not swinging them |
| 16:09.07 | jnwhiteh | oh jeepers |
| 16:09.10 | jnwhiteh | I had no idea |
| 16:09.13 | jnwhiteh | need to get my stuff chanted then! |
| 16:09.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's because anyone who *would* swing them doesn't visibly do so. ;) |
| 16:09.48 | Dagmar | No, I'm quite serious |
| 16:10.16 | Dagmar | Iv'e yet to see a pair of one handed weapons for a non-melee class that would outstrip a 2H weapon of the same ilvl |
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| 16:10.51 | Dagmar | I had a small mountain of 1H's stashed on my hunter |
| 16:11.19 | Amarande | Yeah, I think the dual wield hunter thing is more of a low level twinking advantage now |
| 16:11.20 | Dagmar | ....just HOPING there'd be a time when it might make sense to use them, and then I got that beetlestick from Uldum |
| 16:11.52 | cog|work | taps his foot as he waits for Sandy Bridge |
| 16:11.53 | Amarande | maybe in the 19 or 29 brackets. |
| 16:12.11 | Amarande | though really even then, dual wield only gives 5 extra enchant agility vs. 2H |
| 16:12.46 | Dagmar | No one cares about those "brackets" |
| 16:13.29 | karl_w_w | thats so mean |
| 16:13.37 | karl_w_w | what did the brackets do to you? |
| 16:13.40 | Amarande | I think Mages and Warlocks might be using the MH/OH combination, though |
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| 16:13.53 | karl_w_w | mages do |
| 16:14.00 | karl_w_w | even in pvp |
| 16:14.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah, and usually there's a stick somewhere looking to free up a bag slot for them |
| 16:14.19 | Cide- | \ |
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| 16:15.24 | cog|work | Masturbation: it's a touchy subject |
| 16:15.44 | Amarande | Yup. Unless you actually get lucky with archaeology, you have to be a spirit class or you're using MH/OH as a caster. |
| 16:15.44 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/items=2.10?filter=minle=359;maxle=400;cr=24:21:79;crs=3:3:3;crv=0:0:0 |
| 16:15.50 | Lunessa | cog|work: Oy. |
| 16:16.03 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: did you get what I saids yesterday? |
| 16:16.23 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: about trying to get the server up? |
| 16:16.29 | jnwhiteh | no, I said its up |
| 16:16.34 | jnwhiteh | I said nice tour of the server |
| 16:16.35 | cog|work | then no i didn't :) |
| 16:16.42 | jnwhiteh | and posted the three latest carts |
| 16:16.48 | cog|work | scrolls up |
| 16:17.01 | Amarande | actually, I'm noticing spirit still isn't listed as "provides no benefit to your class" for mages and warlocks |
| 16:17.02 | Fisker | are you in mikmaland yet? |
| 16:17.16 | Fisker | doesn't it provide mana regen Amarande ? |
| 16:17.25 | Amarande | but I'm getting the suspicion that the only thing it affects at all now for them is out-of-combat mana regen, so it really only reduces downtime while soloing |
| 16:17.38 | Fisker | i don't get it cog|work |
| 16:17.48 | Fisker | shops should be putting up sandy bridge ??? days ago |
| 16:18.09 | Amarande | Fisker: combat mana regen for DPS casters is fixed, it's a 4.0 thing that only healers get any real combat benefit from spirit |
| 16:18.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, if they weren't so damn cast-happy it would give them mp5. ;) |
| 16:18.44 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: would have been about .. 27 hours ago |
| 16:19.03 | Amarande | well, also that some (all?) caster classes with healer specs get hit from spirit in DPS specs |
| 16:19.10 | Amarande | so they don't have to flood boss loot tables again |
| 16:19.27 | Cide- | I |
| 16:20.15 | cog|work | found it |
| 16:20.24 | Fisker | kiss me cog|work |
| 16:21.20 | Amarande | ahhhh, super hot stew again. another day of being careful not to get stomped on by Maggoc. :) |
| 16:21.35 | Dagmar | Coward |
| 16:23.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, because a 71 mage really stands a chance against Maggoc. :P |
| 16:23.47 | Dagmar | You give up too easily |
| 16:24.00 | Amarande | I even had trouble against some of those gronn at 80 on my warlock |
| 16:24.59 | Amarande | though that was earlyish in LK, when unless you raided you were mostly in 187-200 blues and LFD wasn't out yet |
| 16:25.08 | Amarande | so gearing up was slow as a DPS :) |
| 16:25.23 | Amarande | she could probably kick their asses easily now that her gear is better. |
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| 16:31.13 | zenzelezz | I was doing... something... in Nagrand the other day on my 85 warrior, don't recall what... dropped by and helped a lowbie with Durn, wasn't even funny it was so easy |
| 16:32.59 | Amarande | zenzelezz: at least partially, I'd say that has to do with the power jump from 80-85 being as big as it is, especially in terms of HP. |
| 16:33.27 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I am positive that's why; it still amuses me |
| 16:34.01 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 16:34.03 | Fisker | you cannot escape |
| 16:34.13 | cog|work | *presses Esc* |
| 16:34.17 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:34.23 | Fisker | that was easier than i expected |
| 16:35.41 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
| 16:35.48 | Fisker | what sandy bridge will you sand? |
| 16:35.48 | cog|work | 4 |
| 16:35.54 | jnwhiteh | 6 |
| 16:36.17 | cog|work | the middle one |
| 16:36.50 | Fisker | what middle one? |
| 16:37.25 | sylvanaar_work | there are 2? |
| 16:37.31 | nevcairiel | there are more then 2 |
| 16:37.53 | cog|work | i don't know. newegg doesn't have them yet which is why i'm /tap ing. |
| 16:38.12 | sylvanaar_work | you guys are making me want one - evil |
| 16:38.21 | Fisker | you should get one |
| 16:38.45 | Fisker | anyway cog|work they should've started putting them up 3 days ago :( |
| 16:38.49 | Fisker | jersk |
| 16:39.05 | nevcairiel | some shops have the 2500 and 2600 now |
| 16:39.08 | nevcairiel | but no K models |
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| 16:39.49 | Fisker | maybe they can't k |
| 16:40.46 | mckenziemc | Amarande: you mentioned earlier that archeology never sent you to the starter areas -- i didn't realize why it's that way until later, when i coincidentally tried to learn it on my lowbie. The first rank requires level 20 |
| 16:42.26 | Fisker | ownt mckenziemc |
| 16:42.30 | cbreak | really, archeology without flying? |
| 16:43.36 | Amarande | cbreak: actually, I recommend to most people that they start archaeology at 20 |
| 16:43.39 | Fisker | might as well do it if you're leveling |
| 16:43.54 | Amarande | that way you don't have that huge OMG grind to catch up when you hit outland/NR/etc. |
| 16:44.10 | zenzelezz | at 20 most people are tired of education and can't be bothered with learning archaeology |
| 16:44.15 | Amarande | which also, if you start at 60-61, will deprive you of a lot of the Outland experience |
| 16:44.28 | Amarande | on Horde, that would be somewhat refreshing, since I've played Outland too many times as Horde |
| 16:44.48 | Amarande | but I kinda wish I'd gotten to do more of Outland on my mage before outleveling it, since it was my first time to Outland as Alliance |
| 16:44.55 | Amarande | ah well. that's what alts are for. :) |
| 16:45.54 | mckenziemc | lol zenzelezz |
| 16:46.39 | Amarande | also, I'm told now that archaeology dig selection takes your level into account, which, hopefully, is the case. |
| 16:46.57 | Amarande | since I can think of a certain type of bad scenario that is likely to happen fairly quickly if it doesn't :) |
| 16:49.26 | Amarande | it doesn't pick areas too high level compared to you though does it? |
| 16:57.53 | Lunessa | Goddamn it people! You can't remote to computers which are in a building with no power. FFS |
| 16:58.38 | zenzelezz | why? I've heard of power over Ethernet, can't I just send some of that along with my connection!? |
| 16:59.00 | Lunessa | contemplates skinning whomever decided not to move those PCs during construction. |
| 16:59.41 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 17:00.00 | sylvanaar_work | heres 1000 watts with my data packets |
| 17:00.19 | xqo | hey |
| 17:00.30 | xqo | how do you express the first decimal? (this is just math) |
| 17:00.38 | xqo | like 1.X, what is the formula for X? |
| 17:00.42 | Lunessa | If I could send large amounts of power over ethernet or TCP/IP there would be lots fewer idiots on the internet. |
| 17:00.50 | sylvanaar_work | rofl |
| 17:01.09 | Lunessa | BZZZZZZZZZZAP! |
| 17:01.20 | sylvanaar_work | they used to have a phone phreak mod to do it over the telephone, i forget the color of the box |
| 17:01.56 | sylvanaar_work | i dont think it actually worked |
| 17:03.52 | Amarande | Lunessa: "My monitor just went black and I can't see anything." "Did you accidentally unplug the computer or turn it off?" "Hmmm, lemme check, it's kinda dark here ..." "Do you have a light you could turn on?" "Well normally yes, but the power just went out and ..." "*sound of tech committing hara-kiri in frustration*" |
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| 17:05.06 | sylvanaar_work | hara-kiri needs a buddy to chop off your head |
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| 17:06.39 | durcyn | you can still die from starting seppuku without a friend present =P |
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| 17:09.39 | sylvanaar_work | death from sword to the gut is slow and painful |
| 17:11.05 | mitchnull | hm. shouldn't this glyph change blocked by addon issue be caused only by addons that use StaticPopupDialog or whatsitsname? |
| 17:11.42 | sylvanaar_work | it seems to happen randomly |
| 17:11.58 | sylvanaar_work | its crazy |
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| 17:19.55 | eClaire | xqo maybe var*10 mod 10 or something? |
| 17:20.19 | eClaire | var*10.floor |
| 17:21.29 | zenzelezz | X - floor(X) ? Or floor((X - floor(X)) * 10) if you want it as an integer-like |
| 17:22.48 | eClaire | that works too |
| 17:23.31 | eClaire | ughh well I got 80% of the way through writing a function for what I want to do but now my attention span's exhausted |
| 17:23.50 | eClaire | time to go heal some heroics I guess |
| 17:23.53 | sylvanaar_work | what is that groovy |
| 17:23.59 | sylvanaar_work | 10.floor |
| 17:24.14 | eClaire | nothing ignore it |
| 17:24.32 | eClaire | math.mod(math.floor(var*10), 10) |
| 17:24.41 | eClaire | I was being lazy |
| 17:24.49 | zenzelezz | he didn't specify a language |
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| 17:26.33 | Amarande | btw, is the rumored chaotic shadowspirit fix going to be a hotfix or not until 4.1? |
| 17:27.14 | durcyn | they don't seem to be in any particular hurry to get it out |
| 17:27.36 | sylvanaar_work | when is 4.1 march? |
| 17:27.55 | Amarande | "when it's ready" I'm sure |
| 17:28.01 | Amarande | I'm not even sure if it's achieved "soon" status yet |
| 17:28.25 | Amarande | hell a fairly large amount of the playerbase is still gearing for T11 raiding, it's too soon for T12 |
| 17:28.55 | Amarande | besides, once the first set of justice point rollover gear appears, people will start complaining about heroics being too easy again, and I get the impression Blizzard wants to delay that |
| 17:29.02 | sylvanaar_work | t12 is in 4.1? |
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| 17:29.06 | Amarande | sylv: I'd imagine so |
| 17:29.16 | durcyn | new minor version numbers traditionally indicate content patches |
| 17:29.17 | Amarande | each 3.X.0 patch gave us a new tier, too |
| 17:29.33 | sylvanaar_work | they need an interim patch |
| 17:29.38 | durcyn | 4.0.4 |
| 17:29.40 | Amarande | although BC didn't quite follow the same progression |
| 17:29.42 | durcyn | Patch Not Found |
| 17:30.22 | sylvanaar_work | cant they use that streaming thing to hot patch files |
| 17:30.31 | sylvanaar_work | you'd think they could |
| 17:31.13 | durcyn | they've used it once already to force 4.0.3a changes into different MPQs |
| 17:31.36 | Amarande | we got BT in 2.1.0, 2.2.0 didn't add any new instance content at all, 2.3.0 added Zul'Aman which arguably is actually slightly lower tier than BT, 2.4.0 added Sunwell, which while progressively following BT was still technically T6 (even adding to the set) |
| 17:31.42 | durcyn | but you have to remember that the streaming client was intended primarily for faster installs |
| 17:32.25 | Amarande | however, BC also had the shtick that even after new raid content was added you still had to progress through previous tiers if you hadn't already |
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| 17:33.21 | Amarande | the WotLK and Cata paradigm is that a new raid tier's release basically *obsoletes* old raid content, almost as badly as if it were previous-expansion content (with the exception usually of only very few things, often trinkets where ilvl can be a very poor indicator of performance, and weapons which have historically not been available PvE via points) |
| 17:33.49 | sylvanaar_work | we are only 2.5 bosses into the current content |
| 17:34.07 | Amarande | unlike BC, where they just wanted you in Outland, WotLK and Cata seem to be designed on the idea that they don't just want you in the latest expansion, but primarily just the latest instances within it |
| 17:34.10 | sylvanaar_work | i expect that is fairly average |
| 17:36.16 | Amarande | Yeah, we're still learning Halfus, and pretty much had to put Magmaw and Omnitron on hold |
| 17:36.28 | Amarande | I don't expect us to get much more progression until key players, particularly the healers are better geared |
| 17:38.44 | Amarande | I'm trying to imagine what hard modes must be like at this point |
| 17:38.54 | Amarande | even the regular raid bosses are miles harder than ICC |
| 17:39.16 | Amarande | or are we still in the "it's the first month and a half or so, so stuff is often still overtuned" stage? |
| 17:39.29 | eClaire | perhaps |
| 17:39.59 | Amarande | Blizz does seem to have this habit of overtuning bosses early in content patches, I'm not sure if it's deliberate or if it's that content isn't getting enough PTR testing (and most of what it does get is from top hardcore guilds that are used to things being at their hardest) |
| 17:43.14 | Lunessa | I have never been a front-wave raider, so I can't really comment on tuning that happens based on expectations of difficulty from the hard-core perspective, but I can say that I appreciate that Blizzard goes out of their way to make end-game content accessible to the widest possible user groups. |
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| 17:43.24 | Xinhuan | have you considered its overtuned because everyone's not in full purples yet? |
| 17:43.37 | durcyn | be glad you even get normal modes. |
| 17:44.29 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, that's why a lot of people who praise LK praise it |
| 17:44.37 | Lunessa | All I have to say to people who only want the hardest core content for end-game and that everyone else should go DIAF is "go fuck yourselves." |
| 17:44.38 | Amarande | and why many of them are disappointed with Cata |
| 17:45.01 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 17:45.03 | Lunessa | I think Cataclysm is aimed at the right difficulty bracket. |
| 17:46.00 | Lunessa | It may need some tweaking so that not all raid content is melee-antagonistic, but that's just tweaking. :) |
| 17:46.06 | Amarande | "the content is too hard" is arguably QQ. raid content should at least be challenging (though I'm disappointed that it's basically putting the lion's share of the success or failure of raids on healer gearedness, currently), ICC10N was a tad on the easy side with the only real exceptions being Putricide, Sindy, and the Lich King |
| 17:46.26 | Lunessa | I just hate people who think that only 1-5% of the user base should ever see the end game bosses/congtent. |
| 17:46.30 | Amarande | otoh, some of the concerns seem to be valid, like the fact that heroics usually take a lot longer than LK heroics did. |
| 17:47.13 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqgfXbz6qAs |
| 17:47.18 | Amarande | a *lot* of people are unhappy about that, because LK heroics were short enough that they could easily slot in one or two a day among their RL obligations and other interests |
| 17:47.25 | durcyn | Lunessa: the counterpoint being that said content becomes uninteresting when it's watered down to the point where a troupe of mouthbreathers can defeat it |
| 17:47.26 | Lunessa | Amarande: TBC-era heroics were like that too, and I would argue that it's a good difficulty change. |
| 17:47.34 | Amarande | or if they were heavily into WoW and had a lot of free time, could have more fun with alts |
| 17:47.41 | Adys | Frost mage + resto sham + warrior in 3v3 arena, what's the best warr spec? |
| 17:48.09 | solo|work | arms probably |
| 17:48.25 | Lunessa | durcyn: And yet, I'm not a mouth-breather and you are basically calling anyone but the top 5% worthless players. I pay the same fees you do, and I want to see the content too. |
| 17:48.36 | solo|work | fury's kinda hit it and quit it atm, significant initial burst with all CDs blown, but worthless after that. |
| 17:48.46 | Amarande | Lunessa: I'm more thinking of the concerns of people who could enjoy the LK 5-man endgame because heroics were short, but now they're pretty much locked out of it because the 2-3 hour time investment per heroic is difficult or impossible for them to fit in with their RL |
| 17:49.00 | durcyn | Lunessa: if the comparitive shoe fits. |
| 17:49.22 | Amarande | although apparently, it's going to be back to LK style steamrollers, at least to a degree, once epics start rolling over into JP |
| 17:49.23 | Lunessa | Amarande: In 3-5 months they'll be able to do it. They'll have gear from rep vendors, the AH, etc. |
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| 17:50.04 | Amarande | there's also the fact that those people who were around for LK never get to properly do the new SFK and Deadmines except on Heroic, and those are actually two of the harder heroics |
| 17:50.07 | Lunessa | durcyn: My earlier comment stands. Go fuck yourself. |
| 17:50.45 | Amarande | and since VP/SC aren't really 85 instances, and TotT/BRC normal aren't available at 85, the normal endgame is just three instances |
| 17:51.20 | Amarande | some have called for a third, "normal 85" mode for VC and SFK |
| 17:52.04 | Amarande | Personally, a thought of mine has always been the idea that dungeons should perhaps scale with the party level and all be available at all levels |
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| 17:52.14 | Amarande | using something like the formulae heirlooms use to determine the stats on the drops at a given level |
| 17:53.09 | Lunessa | That's an interesting idea, and has been tried by other games (City of Heroes had a feature like that, but still had 'brackets') but I don't know that anyone has figured out how to make it work. |
| 17:53.22 | sylvanaar_work | honestly the heroics are now pretty much spam heal facerolls |
| 17:53.23 | Amarande | maybe even have scaling heroic versions, too, which if they could drop scaled amounts of JP would go to a degree to help people gear up a lot more easily |
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| 17:53.57 | Suklis15 | wow 3.3.5 try http://87.226.18.202/\ |
| 17:54.01 | zenzelezz | one problem with that is loot. If loot scaled, you'd either have to make a whole lot of equal items, or share them between all instances |
| 17:54.22 | airtonix | KICKBAN Suklis15 |
| 17:54.46 | airtonix | :( |
| 17:54.54 | Suklis15 | ban you lol |
| 17:54.54 | sylvanaar_work | they need heroic hard modes |
| 17:54.55 | Suklis15 | :D |
| 17:55.14 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, it just occurred to me that every instance blue would need 71 different item IDs |
| 17:55.31 | Amarande | sylv: actually, yeah, that's a chronic issue with cata |
| 17:55.57 | Amarande | the healing paradigm basically makes it so that something like 90% of the success/failure burden of the group is sustained on the healer's shoulders |
| 17:56.04 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 17:56.07 | Amarande | even the tank's skill is nowhere near as important as the healer's gearedness anymore |
| 17:56.12 | sylvanaar_work | knows first-hand |
| 17:56.23 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I would however love it if someone did find the "right" way to implement instancing like that; but I don't believe anyone will in the foreseeable future |
| 17:56.42 | Amarande | And in raiding, it's worse. We're getting the mechanics for Magmaw and Omnitron down quite well, but we don't have the heals :( |
| 17:57.35 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, versatile instancing only seems to work well in a paradigm like Guild Wars |
| 17:57.57 | Amarande | which pretty much relied on storyline and prestige gear as the carrots for people to chase |
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| 17:58.11 | mckenziemc | Amarande: there's actually a system already in place that would prevent the need for '71 different item IDs' :p |
| 17:58.27 | Amarande | You got to the top level quickly, almost the entire game was tuned for level 20, and normal gear was all created equal |
| 17:58.33 | Amarande | or more or less so, anyway |
| 17:58.42 | mckenziemc | have you seen the anomaly where two items with the same name and random enchatment have slightly different stats? |
| 17:58.54 | Amarande | mckenziemc: ah yeah, that |
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| 17:59.10 | Suklis15 | try this wow server http://87.226.18.202/ |
| 17:59.11 | Amarande | I thought you were thinking of heirlooms, but the sort of scaling I was thinking of was not gear that would level the rest of the way with you once you got it from the instance once |
| 17:59.11 | Suklis15 | try this wow server http://87.226.18.202/ |
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| 17:59.25 | sylvanaar_work | Amarande: get more paladins |
| 17:59.33 | sylvanaar_work | solution to everything |
| 17:59.42 | airtonix | Shirik, |
| 18:00.01 | Amarande | sylv: I'm also considering whether I should retire my 85 DPS DK and level my 80 warlock or 74 hunter to take her place as my DPS main |
| 18:00.40 | sylvanaar_work | nah, our dk's are top dps and useful - melee are just hard to maintain a lot of |
| 18:01.50 | sylvanaar_work | though we run 2 tanks, 3 heals, 3 melee and 2 ranged usually |
| 18:02.35 | sylvanaar_work | 4 melee sometimes, they suck up all my mana though |
| 18:04.10 | mckenziemc | excuse me, could i just, uhm, sniff your backside for a sec? |
| 18:04.35 | sylvanaar_work | who are you talking to |
| 18:07.01 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if herbs will ever fall to the point that fortune cards actually *can* be sold at non-ripoff prices |
| 18:07.11 | Amarande | at first, I thought the cards were sold too high-priced too |
| 18:07.40 | Amarande | but then I realized that even the single milling's worth of cata herbs it takes to make a card sells for about 30g, so unless scribes wanted to take a big bad deal ... |
| 18:08.01 | sylvanaar_work | too much demand for herbs |
| 18:08.17 | Amarande | maybe later in the expansion |
| 18:08.42 | Amarande | since Blizzard doesn't seem to have been in the habit of giving alchemists or scribes anything much in the way of new recipes with new tiers |
| 18:10.22 | Amarande | actually, yeah, I could see the fortune cards dropping |
| 18:10.59 | Amarande | Mainly as there won't eventually be much other use for the regular Cata ink (after people have mostly all caught up on their glyphs, so there's no more reason to mass produce and post them) |
| 18:11.22 | Amarande | and scribes will have huge surpluses of regular cata ink due to how much of it they end up with trying to get the inferno inks for darkmoon cards |
| 18:13.03 | Amarande | at that point, what else do you make? most people have their glyphs unless they're rolling new toons (which the heavier time investment needed on 85s seems to discourage now), and the scrolls have always sold poorly. maybe relics, *if* they keep giving us upgrades with new tiers |
| 18:15.00 | Amarande | sylv, what is the scribe's moneymaker supposed to be later in the expansion anyways? |
| 18:15.06 | Lunessa | Shirik: Can we get a kick/ban on Suklis15? |
| 18:15.14 | durcyn | Amarande: dust of disappearance |
| 18:15.20 | Amarande | just not even using the prof at all and selling herbs (since you're probably an herbalist as well)? |
| 18:15.34 | Amarande | durcyn: that's a vendor item, and I don't think you can make it economical to sell it for sub vendor |
| 18:16.19 | durcyn | Amarande: that's what blizzard basically stated. they inflated the vendor price to give scribes room to sell it. |
| 18:16.25 | nevcairiel | once the herb prices go down, you might |
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| 18:18.46 | Amarande | yeah, it's currently not the case, for sure |
| 18:19.11 | Amarande | and actually, it occurred to me that the cards aren't a complete ripoff. |
| 18:19.26 | Amarande | Fortune Cookies are a favorite food lately, and if you're not a scribe, you need to buy cards to make them. |
| 18:19.27 | durcyn | the cards are a complete ripoff if you're buying them. |
| 18:20.08 | Amarande | yeah. pretty much. the only even reasonable thing to buy them for is the cookies. |
| 18:20.51 | Ackis | what do the cookies do? |
| 18:21.14 | durcyn | 90 stam plus your primary stat |
| 18:21.36 | Amarande | durcyn: and you get a fortune card roll with it, too |
| 18:21.39 | Ackis | 90 stam and int? or 90 stam and 50 int? |
| 18:21.43 | durcyn | 90 of each |
| 18:21.44 | Amarande | 90 and 90 |
| 18:22.00 | Amarande | so a good food buff plus a chance at the big money |
| 18:22.14 | durcyn | Amarande: true, but those aren't worth a wet slap 99% of the time |
| 18:22.15 | Amarande | has anyone determined reasonably accurate estimates of the odds of the prizes from the cards/cookies btw? |
| 18:23.00 | Amarande | 'course, if you ARE a scribe, eventually you're going to be mass producing cards anyway. |
| 18:23.19 | Ackis | oh so you get the card itself too |
| 18:23.36 | Amarande | Remember, 10 inferno ink per Darkmoon Card, which IS your big money item. |
| 18:24.04 | Amarande | 10 inferno ink means silly amounts of Blackfallow Ink mats gained in the meantime. |
| 18:24.35 | Amarande | Which there really isn't much else to do with. You can't really sell it, since the only people who can use it are your fellow scribes who are probably similarly inundated with ink. |
| 18:24.54 | Amarande | Only other use besides fortune cards is to trade it down if you need lower inks to glyph up a guildie or alt. |
| 18:26.43 | Amarande | and yeah I think that sales picture's accurate, since every now and then while leveling inscription and hitting a transition, I put up my unused ink on the AH and it tends to sell very slowly unless it is rare ink. I think it took about a week to sell my surplus nether pigment. |
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| 18:30.09 | Amarande | On the good side, it means that scribes never have to worry about buying buff food :) |
| 18:30.30 | Amarande | In Cata, it appears that except MAYBE for hit if you're sufficiently off the hit cap, you should ALWAYS be using primary-stat buff food |
| 18:31.04 | Amarande | apparently one of the biggest effects of rating decay is that it is never good to take a secondary stat over your primary now when given a choice |
| 18:33.13 | nevcairiel | thats not true for all classes |
| 18:33.29 | Amarande | nev: which ones is it not the case for? |
| 18:33.49 | mckenziemc | computer + electric heater + microwave on the same circuit breaker == at least i have a UPS |
| 18:33.57 | Amarande | most classes I research on EJ, I'm finding that the stat weight for the primary stat is usually something like 2.5-3 times as much as any secondary, often even beating out pre-cap hit |
| 18:34.24 | Amarande | making it the first time since vanilla that it's sometimes better to not cap hit, oddly. |
| 18:35.32 | sylvanaar_work | UPS - psh, who can find one that can handle the load of a modern PSU |
| 18:36.24 | Amarande | sylv, I've seen some pretty mega powerful ones on newegg, but the ones that can handle a gaming PC for more than the tiniest amounts of time seem to all be super expensive |
| 18:36.50 | sylvanaar_work | i havent seen anything that could handle a 1000W psu |
| 18:36.59 | durcyn | i've got some 3000VA APCs that do okay |
| 18:37.03 | sylvanaar_work | that didnt cost $30k |
| 18:37.09 | Amarande | You pretty much seem to need the kind of thing that can handle mission critical enterprise servers, though. :S |
| 18:37.18 | durcyn | they were $200 each at Frys. |
| 18:37.49 | sylvanaar_work | last time i talked to APC they said, nope - can't handle it in our consumer line |
| 18:38.32 | durcyn | i've got three mac minis and a 1u rackmount box on one, gaming rig on the other, not enough juice left for the monitors, but oh well |
| 18:38.44 | durcyn | lasts about 15 minutes in an outage |
| 18:38.46 | sylvanaar_work | how big is your PSU |
| 18:38.51 | durcyn | 650 |
| 18:38.55 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 18:39.03 | sylvanaar_work | thats why |
| 18:39.36 | durcyn | prove to me you need more than that, i'm running two nvidia cards in SLI and four 7200RPM disks |
| 18:39.46 | cbreak | damnit... if you cook a recipe that says "Thinly chop one chili and add it", do NOT do it. |
| 18:39.47 | sylvanaar_work | that wasnt the point |
| 18:40.08 | durcyn | cbreak: the capsaicin means it's working =P |
| 18:40.20 | cbreak | my stomach says it wants back out :/ |
| 18:40.27 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 18:41.15 | Amarande | in any case, I'd be unlikely to hook a gaming PC to a UPS |
| 18:41.54 | mckenziemc | daisy chain! |
| 18:41.57 | mckenziemc | xD |
| 18:42.00 | Amarande | Seriously, if I was going to use a UPS for gaming at all, I would hook it to the Playstation 2. |
| 18:42.31 | Amarande | For the PC, it's fairly useless. One, even if I hook the cable modem and router to the UPS as well |
| 18:42.42 | cbreak | a UPS just needs to provide enough power so you can either turn on the generator or turn off the machine |
| 18:43.07 | cbreak | well, unless you have a notebook or something. |
| 18:43.13 | cbreak | then it needs to provide power for normal operation |
| 18:43.21 | Amarande | it's been my experience that power glitches tend to result in a cable outage, which means unless I'm playing a SINGLE player game like Dragon Age or Oblivion, I'm probably not going to be able to continue my game anyway because I won't have any Internet for sometimes a few hours after. |
| 18:43.33 | Amarande | therefore, there seems to be little use for a UPS for a gaming PC. |
| 18:43.48 | cbreak | the use is to ensure proper shutdown |
| 18:43.57 | cbreak | and minimizing corruption in permanent storage |
| 18:44.17 | Amarande | cbreak: yeah, but corruption in NT based Windows is fairly rare even for improper shutdowns |
| 18:44.23 | Amarande | unless it was actually writing a file at the time |
| 18:44.34 | cbreak | which is not that rare |
| 18:44.39 | Amarande | even then, you'll probably only lose that one file. |
| 18:44.50 | cbreak | probably |
| 18:45.09 | mckenziemc | wowhead.com/?item=58889 |
| 18:45.11 | Amarande | on a mainly gaming PC, that means you'll lose ... the current session's saved variables in WoW, of course, and perhaps the save file you were saving to, but that's all, and that's another reason to save in multiple slots |
| 18:45.12 | cbreak | but chances are it was important. like the registry |
| 18:45.33 | cbreak | but either way |
| 18:45.39 | cbreak | if you have a recent backup, that's no big deal |
| 18:46.00 | Amarande | otoh, pre-PS3 Sony consoles are probably where you want to put a UPS, since a power outage during save on a PS2 in particular has a tendency to eat not just that save but ALL your saves, and frequently some or all of the other data on the memory card as well |
| 18:47.15 | Amarande | and there's some stuff like the achievement file for Star Ocean 3 that you can't back up to another card |
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| 18:48.33 | Amarande | (Yeaaaaah. If you lose power while saving your 4D mode game in SO3, you're probably looking at redoing *everything* which means multiple complete playthroughs to requalify to even start another 4D mode game.) |
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| 19:07.07 | Fisker | Amarande |
| 19:09.07 | jnwhiteh | so is Potion Mastery broken right now? |
| 19:09.17 | Amarande | jnwhiteh: haven't heard anything about that |
| 19:09.25 | jnwhiteh | mmo-champion seems to think so |
| 19:09.31 | jnwhiteh | Elixir is giving potion procs and potion isn't |
| 19:09.51 | Amarande | I have to wonder if there's much of anyone who still uses Potion Mastery anymore, though |
| 19:10.03 | Amarande | that kinda completely lost its luster when LK came out and pots became one per fight |
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| 19:10.20 | mikma | hmmh |
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| 19:12.07 | Fisker | it isn't jnwhiteh ! |
| 19:12.10 | jnwhiteh | Amarande: yeah, that's why people think its 'broken' |
| 19:12.13 | Fisker | because a blue on the forums said so |
| 19:12.25 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: link? |
| 19:12.55 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1172929064#2 |
| 19:12.57 | Fisker | (tee hee) |
| 19:13.11 | Fisker | mikmaland yet? |
| 19:13.48 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: Hey there |
| 19:13.52 | Lulia | I have a question |
| 19:13.56 | mikma | fisker: yes, i am |
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| 19:15.53 | sigg | Hello all, just want to say that RDX 8 is now available for download on WoWInterface, in case you are interested to test it. |
| 19:16.38 | mikma | penis penis penis, lol |
| 19:16.50 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: not yet no |
| 19:16.52 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: ok |
| 19:17.03 | mikma | sigg: we do not want to test addons, we want to use ready addons |
| 19:18.06 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: After I finish up Power Bars, I'm considering making an AddOn which takes your arrow concept from TomTom and applies it to a route and circuit system, apparently similar to an AddOn named Routes, but it will still be a mostly original concept itself. I just wanted to make sure you didn't have similar plans that I would be trodding upon. |
| 19:18.25 | jnwhiteh | I do |
| 19:18.33 | jnwhiteh | but why not just use Routes? |
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| 19:20.03 | olafski | should I be familiar with RDX? :$ |
| 19:21.13 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: Because neither Routes alone nor TomTom do what I'm envisioning. |
| 19:21.34 | jnwhiteh | TomTom most certainly does |
| 19:21.46 | Lulia | O.o |
| 19:21.47 | jnwhiteh | that's how Routes works, no reason yours can't work the same |
| 19:21.57 | jnwhiteh | TomTom just provides a way to set waypoints |
| 19:22.01 | jnwhiteh | its a fairly rich API |
| 19:22.13 | jnwhiteh | so I find it difficult to believe you can't do what you want with a simple addon that uses TomTom |
| 19:23.18 | jnwhiteh | but I suppose that's neither here nor there |
| 19:23.42 | sigg | RDX 8 is still in beta version, but it will be soon GA |
| 19:24.02 | olafski | ok, that doesn't really explain what it is though |
| 19:24.10 | olafski | sounds like a car :P |
| 19:25.06 | Lulia | Well, I'll see what you've got coming out, jnwhiteh. It'll still be awhile before I "finish" with the current plans for Power Bars anyways. I'm doing a rewrite of the code that I have, to, hopefully, make it more readable, easier to maintain, and perhaps even slightly more efficient. |
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| 19:30.16 | mckenziemc | hmm -- "KEEP ALL MEDICATION AWAY FROM CHILDREN" |
| 19:30.50 | Lulia | They didn't do that for you, mckenziemc, apparently :P |
| 19:30.58 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 19:31.36 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 19:31.40 | Fisker | were you convinced? |
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| 19:41.19 | sigg | link of RDX 8 http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11127-OpenRDX.html |
| 19:41.48 | airtonix | Grande Ackshun |
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| 19:53.39 | olafski | sigg: so what does it do? :( |
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| 19:56.03 | Shirik | olafski: I am really surprised you're asking that |
| 19:56.09 | Shirik | but if you clicked the link you might find out |
| 19:56.23 | olafski | I already looked it up before he posted it |
| 19:56.29 | olafski | and I'm still clueless |
| 19:56.49 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:56.52 | Fisker | i want to cut myself |
| 19:56.58 | olafski | was hoping for some kind of summary of what it does :( |
| 19:56.58 | Seerah | olafski: it does lots of stuff ;) |
| 19:57.07 | sigg | this a addon to manage your interface (doing unitframes, raidframes, action bars, minimap etc ...) |
| 19:57.09 | airtonix | olafski, it's a complicated and obtuse framework for doing stuff |
| 19:57.11 | olafski | some kind of window mover? |
| 19:57.17 | Seerah | UFs, action bars, boss timers, etc. |
| 19:57.25 | olafski | it does all of those things on its own? |
| 19:57.29 | Seerah | but you have to make them or use a layout |
| 19:57.36 | Shirik | it is you raiding interface, period |
| 19:57.58 | Seerah | I always felt it was too complex for me, personally |
| 19:58.03 | airtonix | ^ |
| 19:58.08 | Seerah | but some people swear by it |
| 19:58.21 | airtonix | ironically ouf is more simple to deal with |
| 19:58.23 | sigg | I have included a complete user interface in the version 8 |
| 19:58.37 | sigg | more theme are coming |
| 19:58.38 | olafski | ok, doesn't sound like it's for me =) I like my combination of a bunch of addons |
| 19:58.45 | olafski | some screenshots might help though |
| 19:59.04 | olafski | shirik: were you surprised _I_ asked it, or that I asked _that_? :] |
| 19:59.10 | Seerah | olafski: not much to take a screenshot of for the core itself (unless it's of the config window) |
| 19:59.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:59.29 | Seerah | olafski: you can look at the layouts, though, to give an idea of what it can do. |
| 19:59.55 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat115.html (OOBE = out of box experience, aka layout) |
| 20:00.50 | Valdarix | how is RDX in terms of performance? ala nUI's frame rate issues |
| 20:00.55 | olafski | ah.. not bad I guess =) wish I had the willpower to use something like that |
| 20:01.03 | mitchnull | it's like cosmos all over again :) |
| 20:01.06 | olafski | (maybe you should also say what RDX means, unless I missed that :P) |
| 20:01.49 | sigg | RDX mean Raid data exchange |
| 20:01.59 | sigg | and RDX is a very old addon |
| 20:02.13 | airtonix | yeah just look at the code |
| 20:02.23 | Seerah | "Open" implies the open source version (as opposed to the original, which wasn't) |
| 20:02.57 | olafski | yeah I figured the open part :P |
| 20:03.00 | Seerah | :D |
| 20:03.09 | mitchnull | olafski: what gave the hint? :) |
| 20:03.09 | Seerah | just another example of how old it is, I guess |
| 20:03.14 | olafski | just like that when an acronym is used, it's explained what it means :P |
| 20:03.26 | olafski | today I visited svn.nl and I still don't know what svn means (in this context) |
| 20:03.31 | Seerah | I remembered that the R was for "raid" :) |
| 20:03.44 | olafski | didn't really look very hard but I clicked a few pages including "about svn" and it didn't say =( |
| 20:03.55 | crazedfred | olafski: are you talking about svn the version control? |
| 20:03.56 | Seerah | but it's been around for so long, that's probably why it's missing from the description |
| 20:04.06 | olafski | no crazedfred |
| 20:04.10 | crazedfred | kk |
| 20:04.24 | olafski | has something to do with buying houses I think |
| 20:04.41 | Taroven | Anyone know offhand if it's possible to concat within a function call in C++? ie, FunctionNamedFoo("string" + "otherstring") |
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| 20:09.46 | Shirik | If you're trying to do that, Taroven, you have a very serious design flaw |
| 20:09.47 | Slaren | Taroven, overloading only works when one of the sides is a custom type |
| 20:09.59 | Slaren | overloading of operators, that is |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | Wait, what are you trying to do |
| 20:10.16 | Shirik | not concat the function name together, you're just concatenating two strings? |
| 20:10.21 | Shirik | FunctionNamedFoo("string" "otherstring") |
| 20:10.25 | Shirik | that's what you want |
| 20:12.20 | Taroven | Shirik: That makes too much sense to be true! |
| 20:13.54 | Taroven | Slaren: Not overloading, just concatting a couple defined strings together for a function call without bothering to declare the result beforehand. |
| 20:15.14 | Slaren | Taroven, you can't concatenate conventional C-style strings with the + operator |
| 20:15.43 | Slaren | but as long as one of the sides is a std::string of any other type of string that overloads the operators, then you can |
| 20:17.08 | Taroven | Slaren: #include <string> ;;; string strFullPath = strDirectory + strFilename; system("touch " strFullPath); |
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| 20:17.28 | Slaren | if you are using std::string it is fine then |
| 20:17.42 | Slaren | the "aa" "bb" thing only works with string literals |
| 20:17.46 | Slaren | as it is done by the preprocessor |
| 20:17.59 | Taroven | Slaren: So that example should work then, yes? |
| 20:18.06 | Shirik | I wasn't lying.... |
| 20:18.16 | Slaren | yeah, if you add the + |
| 20:18.41 | Shirik | oh your example |
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| 20:19.07 | Taroven | (and yes I know system() isn't exactly a great thing to call, but it makes for a decent test) |
| 20:19.35 | Shirik | I'm more annoyed about the rest of your code than the system() call |
| 20:19.41 | Slaren | and you will need to add a c_str() to pass that string to system(), i guess |
| 20:20.13 | Slaren | ie. system( ("a" + b).c_str() ) |
| 20:21.25 | Taroven | Makes sense. Thanks. |
| 20:21.49 | Shirik | Taroven, next question |
| 20:21.56 | Taroven | Shirik: Next answer? |
| 20:22.03 | Shirik | tell me how it is legal for you to write 'string' instead of 'std::string' |
| 20:22.21 | Taroven | Prolly isn't. It's dry code. |
| 20:22.29 | Shirik | it probably is |
| 20:22.32 | Cide- | Hello |
| 20:22.39 | Shirik | but you're doing something bad |
| 20:22.44 | Taroven | orly? |
| 20:22.53 | crazedfred | For not using std:: ? >< |
| 20:23.01 | Shirik | http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/coding-standards.html#faq-27.5 |
| 20:23.05 | Shirik | read, learn, live |
| 20:23.09 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 20:23.11 | Shirik | and Cide- |
| 20:23.21 | Cide- | how are you Shirik? |
| 20:23.22 | crazedfred | lol, forget that |
| 20:23.26 | Shirik | I have a massive headache |
| 20:23.32 | Cide- | that sucks |
| 20:23.47 | crazedfred | namespacing in C++ is a clusterfuck, I'm keeping my fail-crutch |
| 20:23.58 | Shirik | It's more of a clusterfuck when you try to do something useful |
| 20:24.05 | crazedfred | I believe it |
| 20:24.15 | Shirik | and realize "oh wait, namespaces were a good thing,m and now I have to change 10000 lines of code" |
| 20:24.37 | crazedfred | can you just import selectively? |
| 20:24.49 | crazedfred | as in specify a different "using" command |
| 20:25.16 | Taroven | Only a few lines to change, might as well do that then Shirik. =P |
| 20:25.30 | zenzelezz | crazedfred: "using std::cout;" |
| 20:25.31 | Shirik | yes you can |
| 20:25.43 | Shirik | I myself do "using std::cout; using std::string;" etc |
| 20:25.44 | crazedfred | zenzelezz: not quite what I was askin |
| 20:25.51 | crazedfred | zenzelezz: oh wait >< |
| 20:25.53 | crazedfred | gotcha |
| 20:25.53 | Slaren | i don't see the problem with using namespace std; in a source file anyway |
| 20:25.58 | Slaren | as long as you don't do it in a header |
| 20:26.20 | Shirik | You'd be surprised how many things I've come across in std that are also defined elsewhere in libraries |
| 20:26.29 | Shirik | namespaces are your only protection against that |
| 20:26.37 | crazedfred | Well my first thought was "... just don't use std class names?" |
| 20:26.44 | crazedfred | But I'm guessing there's a million of em |
| 20:26.56 | Shirik | there are |
| 20:27.04 | Shirik | most of them nobody knows about, but they're there |
| 20:27.17 | crazedfred | lol, of course :) |
| 20:27.20 | crazedfred | It's a shame that namespacing is so terrible in C, this should all be way easier |
| 20:27.28 | crazedfred | *C++ |
| 20:27.34 | Amarande | cout? you mean you don't use printf like everyone else? :) |
| 20:27.40 | crazedfred | haha |
| 20:27.45 | zenzelezz | if you're using C++, use C++ |
| 20:27.49 | zenzelezz | fuck C |
| 20:28.15 | Shirik | fucking C is better than fucking C++ |
| 20:28.18 | Shirik | it doesn't have stds |
| 20:28.22 | crazedfred | why not fuck both |
| 20:28.26 | crazedfred | well played |
| 20:28.49 | zenzelezz | only people who don't capitalise properly draw a parallel between the std namespace and sexually transmitted diseases |
| 20:28.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:29.04 | crazedfred | lol |
| 20:32.34 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:32.58 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 20:32.59 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 20:33.32 | crazedfred | well done mckenziemc, purl is ridiculous |
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| 20:51.32 | Amarande | hmm, is there any way for ATSW and such to be fixed so that clicking on profession links pops up an ATSW window and not the tiny little Blizz one? |
| 20:51.44 | Amarande | it just started doing that with cata, I think |
| 20:51.52 | Amarande | used to be ATSW windows popped up when you clicked a link |
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| 21:00.00 | Amarande | you know, I never quite realized you could buy inferno ink with the regular cata ink. |
| 21:00.26 | Amarande | this is a good thing, I can toss my guildie stacks of herbs instead of having to spend 3000g on ink |
| 21:10.36 | mikma | wobin: play with the balls, play with the balls!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omGHeVmv6NI |
| 21:15.14 | nicoli_s | mmmm liquor pie |
| 21:17.14 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 21:17.17 | Fisker | i love you |
| 21:18.32 | nicoli_s | ckknight made it |
| 21:18.35 | nicoli_s | its delicious |
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| 21:28.07 | Amarande | *grumble* one thing they *really* should fix though |
| 21:28.27 | Amarande | lately, capital cities have ended up with, for various reasons, several types of guard NPC, and the ones you can actually ask where things are are getting rarer all the time |
| 21:29.12 | Amarande | heck, there's an Orgrimmar Grunt I can't even talk to even though it's a normal one. |
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| 21:32.02 | Zyn | considering almost all the guards are stationary, they don't get to see much :3 |
| 21:36.39 | Amarande | weird, I think super fonter lost a font this version |
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| 21:56.16 | airtonix | http://gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance |
| 21:56.19 | airtonix | thoughts ? |
| 21:59.01 | Fisker | no |
| 22:00.19 | airtonix | ok |
| 22:00.33 | Fisker | the design is clearly ancient |
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| 22:01.37 | suineg | before I start going down a rabbit trail trying to find an awesome addon I want to ask if technically it is even a possibility |
| 22:01.55 | suineg | can you have a mod hook into something like growl? |
| 22:02.11 | airtonix | no |
| 22:02.12 | suineg | or is that fairly complicated |
| 22:02.41 | suineg | like not a chance in hell or not without writing an external program to hook into and possibly triggering warden? |
| 22:03.15 | airtonix | that |
| 22:03.20 | airtonix | also |
| 22:03.20 | suineg | damn |
| 22:03.23 | airtonix | offtopic |
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| 22:03.35 | Fisker | the design is clearly ancient |
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| 22:03.43 | airtonix | or rather, grounds for contract of termination |
| 22:03.47 | suineg | need something to text/tweet/something to me when dungeon queue pops up |
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| 22:03.53 | Fisker | alestane |
| 22:04.00 | Fisker | the design is clearly ancient |
| 22:04.10 | airtonix | suineg, that's something you'll be discussing in other channels or forums |
| 22:04.21 | suineg | oh I won't be pursuing it |
| 22:04.28 | Fisker | for example a forum where the design is clearly ancient |
| 22:04.43 | suineg | wondered if it was possible within the constraints of their allowances |
| 22:05.00 | airtonix | no it is not |
| 22:05.15 | suineg | thanks |
| 22:05.32 | airtonix | since the only pathway for data to leave the game is through savedvariables (which only get updated when you /uireload) |
| 22:05.33 | Fisker | Google's tablet ui is clearly of ancient design |
| 22:05.41 | suineg | and with that dream shattered I bid you good day |
| 22:05.46 | Fisker | actually airtonix |
| 22:05.56 | Fisker | i don't think they ever fixed the local clock being updated |
| 22:05.58 | airtonix | it's too late Fisker |
| 22:06.04 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/ <-the design is clearly ancient |
| 22:07.38 | Fisker | gooddie airtonix |
| 22:07.40 | Fisker | get it? |
| 22:07.50 | pigeon | is there a way to do something like /target but only select a particular class (e.g. hunter)? |
| 22:08.07 | Fisker | /targetnearestlootwhore |
| 22:08.15 | Fisker | imma sleep |
| 22:08.22 | airtonix | that only targets fisker |
| 22:09.04 | pigeon | heh |
| 22:11.03 | Kraps | so's your mom Fisker |
| 22:12.11 | pigeon | i'm so sorry that i asked that question now ;) |
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| 22:14.03 | Amarande | Yeah, I don't think that sort of queue pop addon could be done ;) |
| 22:14.32 | Amarande | Even if you HAD the framework set up (I suppose you COULD have an addon save a variable that can be read and reload your UI), you only have what, 35 seconds to accept your queue? by the time you got the message you'd have missed it anyway heh |
| 22:18.28 | olafski | reloading UI doesn't take that long |
| 22:18.34 | olafski | but why not just turn background sounds on :s |
| 22:18.40 | olafski | the UI pop sound is pretty loud already |
| 22:19.30 | olafski | airtonix: what are you being so hostile about? doesn't sound like it's against any kind of rule to me =( |
| 22:19.42 | olafski | unless this channel has rules that I'm not aware of =) |
| 22:21.21 | olafski | anywho nn, I'll try to read any replies tomorrow ;p |
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| 22:31.23 | airtonix | i'm being hostile? |
| 22:31.45 | Amarande | airtonix: I'm pretty sure there's no rule saying that savedvariable data has to be X amount of time old or something to be uploaded elsewhere |
| 22:31.58 | Amarande | MobMap used to sync with people's saved vars all the time |
| 22:32.02 | airtonix | i said that ? |
| 22:34.55 | airtonix | i think all i was pointing out was that for any non blizzard code to pass data to an external program without upsetting blizzard would be to use savedvariables. which as olafski points out is fairly useless for realtime interaction. |
| 22:40.52 | Gnarfoz | combatlog also, but you can't force that to generate enough events to flush to disk. |
| 22:41.00 | Gnarfoz | (and you can't really expect to make heads or tails of it, either) |
| 22:41.28 | airtonix | although |
| 22:41.37 | airtonix | what does the new realid stuff provide ? |
| 22:41.47 | Gnarfoz | nothing :] |
| 22:41.55 | Gnarfoz | (not in that regard, at least) |
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| 23:09.42 | Adys | pigeon: there might be a macro arg |
| 23:09.51 | Adys | like /target [class=Hunter] or some shit |
| 23:10.18 | mikma | no there aint |
| 23:10.42 | alestane | That's deliberately impossible. |
| 23:10.52 | pigeon | yeah i was thinking something along that line. |
| 23:10.56 | pigeon | ok, fair enough. |
| 23:11.46 | pigeon | i found an addon that shows the class for the currently selected target, which helps a bit too. |
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| 23:17.21 | alestane | http://io9.com/5723075/55-science-fictionfantasy-movies-to-watch-out-for-in-2011 |
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| 23:43.25 | cremetorte | hi, is there any FrameXML guide except that one from wowwiki? |
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| 23:45.58 | Nobgul | wowprogramming |
| 23:47.25 | Nobgul | ~wowprogramming |
| 23:47.26 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 23:47.43 | cremetorte | thanks |
| 23:47.47 | Nobgul | Take me to your leader! |
| 23:47.57 | Nobgul | resistance is futile! |
| 23:48.03 | Nobgul | no problem cremetorte |
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