| 00:00.24 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, it's missing items left and right, and the "total item count" returned is garbage, and basically auctioneer's "purchased" modules are completely broken |
| 00:00.29 | ZorbaTHut | and half the data just isn't avaialble |
| 00:00.45 | ZorbaTHut | if I wasn't still making bank I'd be giving up on the AH game |
| 00:04.15 | TC-Work | Kraps: all of the Just Cause packs are on sale |
| 00:04.21 | TC-Work | that i might pick up |
| 00:08.29 | Dagmar | OKay. |
| 00:08.54 | Dagmar | Who gave Casey Schreiner meth? |
| 00:11.45 | Dagmar | Oh wait, I get it. He's acting like that meth-head from FNN. |
| 00:11.48 | Nobgul | g4tv? |
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| 00:12.12 | Dagmar | MMO Report |
| 00:12.24 | Dagmar | THere's a finance guy who pretty much does a lot of meth before his show |
| 00:12.32 | Nobgul | mabey they though he was boring and a bit of meth would be good for him . |
| 00:12.43 | Nobgul | you mean the help me howard guy |
| 00:12.47 | Nobgul | the money dude? |
| 00:12.55 | Dagmar | Well, he started off talking about "Mad MMO" which is a play on the "Mad Money" guy |
| 00:13.11 | Dagmar | ...which, since I thought he was doing meth, is a pretty good impression of the Mad Money guy I guess |
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| 00:13.56 | Nobgul | lol |
| 00:14.17 | Nobgul | I listen to the money guy each morning at work while i set out the coffee and shit. |
| 00:14.42 | Nobgul | And i only saw the mmo report 1 time, but he did seem a bit crackheadish to me |
| 00:15.50 | Dagmar | Well, the MMO Report that's linked on MMO-Champion right now... Casey's doing a good job of acting like that meth-head. |
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| 00:16.01 | Dagmar | Running around, climbing on things, smacking a button |
| 00:16.22 | Dagmar | Basically making a really great case for a probably cause stop on his way home |
| 00:16.29 | Dagmar | er probable cause |
| 00:16.42 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 00:16.48 | bluspacecow | i was like wtf is he on ? |
| 00:17.04 | Dagmar | So, has the Mad Money guy changed his long-term investment advice to shotguns and antibiotics yet? |
| 00:17.53 | durcyn | who are you, glenn beck? |
| 00:18.22 | Dagmar | Don't make me hang you by your toes and bleed you out. |
| 00:18.31 | A-KO | sigh |
| 00:18.37 | A-KO | corborus adds wrecking me |
| 00:18.48 | foxlit | SHADOWFURY! |
| 00:18.52 | Dagmar | a-ko: The little pink things? |
| 00:18.59 | Dagmar | ...or the shale spiders? |
| 00:19.01 | foxlit | but yes, corborus adds are evil. |
| 00:19.05 | foxlit | I hate them as a healer. |
| 00:19.32 | foxlit | The spiders are boring and adorable, Dagmar. |
| 00:19.51 | Dagmar | I just turn the gorilla to aggressive mode on that |
| 00:19.55 | Dagmar | ...and maybe direct him a little. |
| 00:20.10 | foxlit | [unless of course no one picks them up and they end up nomnomnom'ing on the healer] |
| 00:20.19 | Dagmar | That bit does kinda call for everyone to bunch up under a threat umbrella of some kind |
| 00:20.49 | foxlit | Which reminds me, I need to find my TAUNT EVERYTHING! button. |
| 00:20.55 | Zouchs | How do I access the mastery stat in the function GetItemStatDelta() ? |
| 00:21.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: Heh. Shale spiders make me hope every raid I'm ever in at 85 has either a druid or a pally, or doesn't have a hunter :P |
| 00:21.31 | Zouchs | It isn't item_mod_mastery_short |
| 00:21.31 | Dagmar | Hey I like my yellow eyed rock spider |
| 00:21.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's the sound FX that annoy the jesus out of me with shale spiders |
| 00:21.53 | Dagmar | Oh he's not the noisiest of the bunch by far |
| 00:21.56 | Amarande | and of course, if you have no druid or pally and do have a hunter, the hunter will be expected to bring a shale spider for kings |
| 00:22.03 | Dagmar | Try a monkey sometime. |
| 00:22.19 | Amarande | Thankfully, monkeys are not in the Big Six and therefore won't be seen much in raids |
| 00:22.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'd say the Hunter should probably stop jerking around with leatherworking and make some drumbs |
| 00:22.36 | Amarande | leatherworking *shudder* |
| 00:22.42 | Amarande | das lederwerk ist bose. |
| 00:22.48 | Dagmar | It's like two arctic fur or something |
| 00:22.51 | Dagmar | Not a hard pattern |
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| 00:23.18 | Dagmar | I'd take the Qiraji Fortitude buff over the shale spider, personall |
| 00:24.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, except almost every raid has a priest |
| 00:24.13 | Amarande | that's why I said Big Six and didn't count silithids |
| 00:24.18 | Amarande | otherwise it's Big Seven |
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| 00:24.34 | Amarande | though I do find it odd that they decided that 7 pet families should be markedly and inherently superior to the other 30 or so |
| 00:24.36 | Dagmar | I'd say it's more a matter of "worrying about it too much" |
| 00:24.51 | Dagmar | You're getting your cause and effect backwards there |
| 00:24.58 | Amarande | especially since I think shale spiders are the only ones in the big buff group that are new in Cata |
| 00:25.12 | Dagmar | Just because you've decided that X buffs are more important than the rest doesn't mean Blizzard planned to ignore a bunch of pets |
| 00:25.35 | Jerub | Amarande: shale spiders are the mow/kings pet aren't they? |
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| 00:27.56 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah. |
| 00:28.10 | Dagmar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=90363 vs http://www.wowhead.com/item=49633/drums-of-forgotten-kings |
| 00:28.23 | Dagmar | If you get very bent out of shape about 1%, it's time for you to step away from the computer a little while |
| 00:29.07 | Amarande | Shale Spiders give Kings, Silithids give Fort, Cats and Spirit Beasts give Horn of Winter, Core Hounds give Lust, and Wolves and Devilsaurs give another major buff, I think it's a haste buff that's smaller than Lust but can be kept always on but I'm foggy. |
| 00:29.34 | Dagmar | So basically, unless you're a freaking all-hunter raid, none of that makes any hunter pet a _requirement_ |
| 00:29.37 | syrae | Amarande: wolves and devilsaurs give +5% crit |
| 00:29.46 | Amarande | Ah. I knew it was some sort of 5% buff |
| 00:30.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: I guess I'm going by the reasonable raid leader logic that if you lack a class that gives one of those buffs but do have a hunter, it's reasonable to expect them to bring the pet that gives it. |
| 00:30.23 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=90363#comments |
| 00:30.25 | Dagmar | ATM I'm more concerned with making sure I'm doing my math right on the gear juggling |
| 00:30.29 | Amarande | (Unless it's Kings or Lust and they're not BM, anyway.) |
| 00:30.31 | Jerub | has a buff map showing what pets accompany what classes |
| 00:30.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah, but the odds of you being out of much of that without being able to find another way to get it are pretty low |
| 00:30.57 | Dagmar | Like, deathknights are a dime a dozen |
| 00:31.05 | Amarande | Yeah, and both shamans and mages give Lust |
| 00:31.19 | Dagmar | ...and like I just linked you, the kings buff, or something very near to it, is available for the price of a set of drumbs |
| 00:31.46 | Jerub | is the 'b' in that ironic, or an error? |
| 00:31.49 | Amarande | Still have to get to 450 LW on my hunter. |
| 00:31.57 | Amarande | Speaking of drums, btw |
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| 00:32.25 | Dagmar | Well, now's your chance with there being a few new stupidly easy recipes |
| 00:32.40 | Amarande | does http://www.wowhead.com/item=49634 seem odd to you? |
| 00:32.55 | Amarande | I think it actually used to require level 80, to note the oddness. |
| 00:33.17 | Jerub | i'm a little annoyed there are no good archeology rewards in OL |
| 00:33.19 | Amarande | Item that needed level 80 and didn't work on people level 80 or higher ... errrr ... logic! |
| 00:33.19 | Jerub | or NR really. |
| 00:33.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah it did |
| 00:33.41 | Dagmar | They fixed it, I'm assuming |
| 00:33.47 | Amarande | Jerub: is there anything bigshot for archaeology that isn't either alchemist only or available to all? |
| 00:33.53 | Dagmar | It might has well have read "Drums of the Twink Bitch" before |
| 00:34.06 | Dagmar | You had to be 80 to use them, but only your sub-80 friends could benefit |
| 00:34.12 | Amarande | or is alchemy the only profession that really benefits majorly from arch? |
| 00:34.35 | Dagmar | There's not supposed to be anything "bigshot" in Archaology |
| 00:34.50 | Dagmar | Hell, the majority of what it gives is vendor trash that doesn't even sell for much |
| 00:34.50 | Jerub | Amarande: there's 346 ilvl weapons from the tol'vir nodes |
| 00:34.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's a few high end BoA epics and a mount, apparently, plus the vial of the sands recipe |
| 00:35.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: They're not all that "high end" |
| 00:35.08 | Jerub | Dagmar: OL vendor trash is 1g, tol'vir vendor trash is 5g |
| 00:35.26 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah but you can get 5g off a single mob |
| 00:35.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's also the fact that it gives insane amounts of xp compared to virtually anything else |
| 00:35.31 | Jerub | there's the vial of the sands recipe, and some 346 ilvl weapons from 450+ archology. |
| 00:35.43 | Amarande | in the 80s, a single digsite will give as much xp as two quests or so |
| 00:35.52 | Jerub | but say, in OL, there's a single BOA physical dps mail piece. |
| 00:35.53 | Amarande | I think it's what, 17500 xp or so at 84? |
| 00:35.55 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/dbd-cats.png |
| 00:35.55 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 00:35.57 | Amarande | per gather? |
| 00:36.06 | foxlit | that order seemed odd to me for a minute |
| 00:36.10 | Jerub | yeah, i levelled from 84-85 with arch |
| 00:36.12 | Dagmar | At level 80 you can finish two actual quests in less time than it takes to fly to a dig site |
| 00:36.30 | Amarande | Oh, tell me about it. I'd be 70 by now on my mage if I wasn't spending all this time digging. |
| 00:36.33 | Jerub | Dagmar: it's 50k xp for a dig site (3 gathers) |
| 00:36.44 | Amarande | But I'm trying to catch up archaeology so I can actually dig in the continent I'm questing on, which means 300 for outland right now |
| 00:36.54 | Dagmar | Jerub: Versus about 27k per "walk thirty feet thataway" |
| 00:36.56 | Jerub | i'm going to level my mage with it because i freaking hate soloing on my mage |
| 00:37.11 | Dagmar | "Oh? You stubbed your toe on the way over? Here, have a blue with your breadcrumb!" |
| 00:37.33 | Dagmar | They've just made PvE a bit too easy at this point I think |
| 00:37.34 | Jerub | Dagmar: *nod* |
| 00:37.52 | Dagmar | The only time I even get hard pressed is if I'm standing atop a spawn point with my pet atop another one. |
| 00:37.59 | Jerub | it's bloody excellent if yu're dps and dungeon levelling |
| 00:38.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh. a lot of the super quick blue reward quests seem to be chain caps |
| 00:38.08 | Dagmar | *STILL* facepulling on the Warlock |
| 00:38.24 | Amarande | where you'll finish everything and then they'll give you an *additional* quest to go talk to someone for a blue, instead of just making the blue the reward for the end chain quest like before |
| 00:38.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Still, there's a whole lotta NPCs just burning to hand us gear and XP now it seems |
| 00:38.50 | Amarande | I found PvE spawns an issue in Vashj'ir launch night |
| 00:38.58 | Amarande | I often couldn't loot and skin a mob before the next challenger came up to the plate to interrupt me |
| 00:39.07 | foxlit | That's a feature. |
| 00:39.07 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's where pets come in handy. |
| 00:39.17 | Jerub | Amarande: yeah, i find you have to kill them until they spawn somewhere else on the rng |
| 00:39.20 | Dagmar | They deal with the new guy so you can make with the serious business of looting. :) |
| 00:39.25 | Jerub | and you end up with a pile of 5-6 bodies |
| 00:39.37 | Dagmar | Just drag 'em away from the spawn point, then kill them. |
| 00:39.38 | Amarande | Jerub: not to mention skinning was distinctly buggy on launch night |
| 00:39.43 | foxlit | Because the few times things don't chain-respawn turn out to be major bottlenecks in progression. |
| 00:39.46 | Jerub | Amarande: lollaunchnight |
| 00:39.48 | Amarande | oftentimes, you'd get no leather and the corpse wouldn't despawn |
| 00:39.53 | Dagmar | Don't let mobs pick the place to fight. That's bad (well, completely lacking in) strategy |
| 00:39.59 | Amarande | that persisted for most of the week, I think |
| 00:40.00 | Jerub | Amarande: sounds like the old invisible quest item bug |
| 00:40.10 | Amarande | Jerub: you'd be allowed to skin, though |
| 00:40.13 | Dagmar | Jerub: Nah, skinning was a little broken |
| 00:40.14 | Jerub | nope. |
| 00:40.17 | Amarande | you'd even get a skill up |
| 00:40.23 | Amarande | but you'd not get an item and the corpse wouldn't go away |
| 00:40.30 | Dagmar | You'd just flat out not get any leather, and the corpse wouldn't despawn |
| 00:40.47 | Amarande | foxlit: and yes, those were ANNOYING |
| 00:40.50 | Jerub | Amarande: you don't know this one? if the body dropped a quest item, but you don't need that quest item anymore, then it's on the body s othe body's not empty, and you can't loot it, and you can't skin it |
| 00:40.52 | Dagmar | Being that it took me an HOUR AND A HALF to escape Sethira's Ledge or whatever in Hyjal... I'd say it was about 1:10 chance |
| 00:40.56 | Amarande | people were grouping for easy solo quests in Vashj'ir just to share the tag |
| 00:41.06 | Amarande | It also didn't help that a lot of quests are very inconsistent WRT the tag rule. |
| 00:41.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: OMG people grouping to complete head-count quests? UNIMAGINABLE!~ |
| 00:41.34 | Amarande | There's some where you just have to participate, or even just be near the named mob when it dies ... then there's ones where you HAD to have the tag |
| 00:41.40 | Amarande | and there wasn't much consistency to which was which |
| 00:41.41 | Dagmar | Who'd have guessed five people could kill 10 mobs faster than one |
| 00:42.02 | Jerub | anyway, i'm off |
| 00:42.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'd have liked it if there were more where you _had_ to use the conveniently provided counter |
| 00:42.18 | Dagmar | ...like the guy in the firey cave with those water runes on the floor. |
| 00:42.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: or ones where it was actually to your benefit to do so |
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| 00:42.44 | Amarande | Remember that one quest in Uldum with the baby crocolisks and the boss you were supposed to get them hooked on? |
| 00:42.49 | Dagmar | I watched about 15 people either kill him or struggle to kill him, but the all seem to have forgotten if you just walk him over to the rune on the floor and click it, he basically falls right over |
| 00:43.07 | Dagmar | When I finally killed him, some tool death gripped him off the run |
| 00:43.08 | Dagmar | e |
| 00:43.31 | Amarande | Sadly, it was nigh on impossible to do properly, you pretty much just had to get assistance and kill the elite normally |
| 00:43.49 | Dagmar | Baby crocolisks... Hmm... |
| 00:43.51 | Dagmar | I dont' remember those |
| 00:43.59 | Dagmar | Most of Uldum is kinda a blur for me |
| 00:44.10 | Amarande | Basically, there was this elite guy |
| 00:44.12 | Dagmar | I was fully into "gotta catch 'em all" mode then |
| 00:44.19 | Amarande | and there were a bunch of crocolisk eggs or something around the area |
| 00:44.29 | Dagmar | A bot would have had a better chance of providing human-like responses to things. |
| 00:44.30 | Amarande | which, if stepped on, would spawn babies that would start nomming on whatever stepped on them |
| 00:44.47 | Amarande | and the elite itself had a metric shit ton of HP like 500K+ if I recall |
| 00:44.58 | foxlit | I did that recently on a death knight |
| 00:45.08 | foxlit | Only took like 10 minutes, np! |
| 00:45.17 | Amarande | foxlit: the problem is managing to not die meanwhile |
| 00:45.25 | Amarande | unless you're a class with good self heals |
| 00:45.29 | foxlit | there is no damage if you don't aggro anything. |
| 00:45.56 | Amarande | the elite itself seems to hit you a fair bit, remember that you have to not only kite it, but in such a way as to lure it over the eggs |
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| 00:45.59 | Dagmar | Oooohhh |
| 00:46.03 | Amarande | and aggroed mobs are faster than you under *normal* circumstances |
| 00:46.06 | Dagmar | OKay there were like ten of us over there at that point. |
| 00:46.10 | Dagmar | We just killed his ass outright |
| 00:46.11 | foxlit | if the elite hits you, you're doing it wrong. |
| 00:46.29 | Dagmar | We were so glad to see something that could actually hurt someoen |
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| 00:46.50 | Dagmar | I figured it was just another 'NPC raid encounter' |
| 00:47.14 | foxlit | [no one ever reads the quest text] |
| 00:47.18 | Amarande | foxlit: that depends on how many eggs are around at the time, too |
| 00:47.25 | Dagmar | Almost all combat-mechanics become negotiable when you apply enough frothing-at-the-mouth questers |
| 00:47.43 | foxlit | I actually think he's slower than you by default |
| 00:47.52 | foxlit | In any case, chill on icy touch snares. |
| 00:47.53 | Amarande | If you're unlucky enough to not have many at your disposal, you run into times when you have to either wait for one to be in a good spot or go to a fairly distant one |
| 00:47.57 | foxlit | In your face, DPS warriors! |
| 00:48.43 | Amarande | Chances are if you're soloing it, you'll use up most or all of the eggs at nearly the same rate that new ones appear, too, if not slightly faster, because of HOW much HP he has |
| 00:48.56 | foxlit | Not my experience at all. |
| 00:49.21 | Amarande | the Uldum elites are fairly rough. I remember the Pharaoh quest on my DK, and having to use Death Strike quite a lot to stay alive, something I almost never have to do unless I'm trying to solo a group quest |
| 00:49.37 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure there *aren't* any group quests in Cata unless you do instances or until you get to Twilight Highlands |
| 00:49.40 | Dagmar | hehehe... "I tried doing this as a level 83 hunter. I tried it the way you're supposed to do it, kiting him through the eggs and all, but that failed several times. Eventually I just decided to do it the old fashioned way and let my pet loose on him. I spammed heals on my pet and threw in the occasional hit myself and finally killed him. This was much simpler in my opinion and I didn't lose a single HP." |
| 00:49.52 | foxlit | the what quest? |
| 00:50.04 | Amarande | foxlit: the last quest in the Neferset City chain |
| 00:50.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: That big finisher quest in Uldum actually made me have to pay attention |
| 00:50.18 | Amarande | where you go kill the big pharaoh guy or whatever he's called |
| 00:50.21 | Dagmar | It was a nice change |
| 00:50.28 | NeoTron | I don't recall any quests being hard to solo except the arena quests |
| 00:50.33 | Dagmar | I was at half health before I realized i couldn't snooze through it |
| 00:50.34 | foxlit | Ah. No, not a problem either. Adds spawn and more or less kill it for you |
| 00:50.40 | Amarande | And that was on a DK, who at least HAS a self heal in the form of DS |
| 00:51.06 | DWSR | DS, DP, Lichborne, possibly. |
| 00:52.09 | Amarande | DP? I'm trying to remember what that abbreviates to. |
| 00:52.19 | foxlit | death pact |
| 00:52.41 | Amarande | ahh. it never occurred to me to use DP |
| 00:53.07 | Amarande | Lichborne is rarely used, as it's not a normal part of PvE frost builds |
| 00:53.17 | Xyphoid | that crocodile quest seemed pretty buggy, if I got too close kiting him i started taking crocodile damage forever until i died |
| 00:53.52 | DWSR | Amarande: Very useful for leveling and PvP |
| 00:53.53 | Xyphoid | not when you walk over the eggs yourself and get crocodiles on you, but just if i got within melee range when kiting |
| 00:53.54 | DWSR | And tanking. |
| 00:54.09 | DWSR | So it's not at all impossible. |
| 00:54.28 | NeoTron | I died in the quest where you rescue a dude from the put of crocodiles |
| 00:54.34 | NeoTron | but that's because I had invisible crocs eating me |
| 00:55.48 | Xyphoid | i really enjoyed the various single-person boss fights in cata levelling, like that colossus at the end of the indiana jones chain |
| 00:55.55 | Xyphoid | wish those were dailies |
| 00:56.52 | Aurorus | whats a good Mac IRC program? |
| 00:56.56 | Aurorus | am sick of Colloquy |
| 00:57.01 | DWSR | good, mac. |
| 00:57.02 | DWSR | LOL |
| 00:57.07 | DWSR | [/troll] |
| 00:57.08 | syrae | The Ragnaros fight at the end of Hyjal was freaking epic. I did it with a friend I was leveling with and it was like a mini-raid |
| 00:57.11 | bluspacecow | webchat.freenode.net |
| 00:57.15 | Aurorus | lol DWSR |
| 00:57.17 | bluspacecow | go go |
| 00:57.24 | Aurorus | well, I have a few servers I connect to |
| 00:58.03 | syrae | Aurorus: http://limechat.net/mac/ is the other client I hear people say they use |
| 00:59.09 | Aurorus | I'll have to check itout |
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| 01:04.10 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah. finally you get to do some big stuff on your own without having to get a group |
| 01:04.24 | Amarande | I know, it seems anti-MMO, but ... your guildies aren't ALWAYS going to want to do the same thing you're doing. |
| 01:04.32 | Xyphoid | i kind of liked the elite areas where you were given buddies too |
| 01:04.37 | Amarande | that too |
| 01:04.44 | Amarande | escort quests are actually *desirable* now instead of hated |
| 01:05.02 | foxlit | Xyphoid: I did not |
| 01:05.08 | Amarande | it kind of reminds me of what Guild Wars did in its last PvE expansion, too |
| 01:05.10 | foxlit | The only thing that quest did was sink 5 minutes of my time |
| 01:05.20 | Amarande | where a lot of the harder dungeon areas gave you allies on top of the normal party |
| 01:05.25 | Amarande | and the allies were actually semi-immortal |
| 01:06.01 | Amarande | they'd rez once you were out of combat, or once you wiped and had to respawn at the Rez Shrine |
| 01:07.04 | Xyphoid | unfortunately doing uldum last has left a bad taste in my mouth for the whole xpack since you can't really skip quests that are offensive now |
| 01:07.24 | Xyphoid | but that's a past rant now |
| 01:10.47 | Amarande | Xyphoid: ehh, the thing that bothers me more about that is boredom |
| 01:11.00 | Amarande | every character you level to 85, pretty much, needs to do all the cata zones more or less completely |
| 01:11.33 | Amarande | might be *some* (like my DK, if I'd thought of it) who could skip one of the starting zones |
| 01:11.35 | Xyphoid | you do? |
| 01:11.55 | Amarande | like DPS DKs can more or less skip Vashj'ir if you're really planning it out, since Earthen Ring has basically nothing of use at all for such a character |
| 01:12.24 | Amarande | Too many important gear upgrades from Deepholm onwards (and you need that 329 for heroics!) |
| 01:12.41 | Xyphoid | or you can just buy gear or do normal instances |
| 01:12.51 | Amarande | and, moreover, the fact that the reps are pretty much scattered across every zone and you tend to need to do quite a lot of each zone to get friendly so you can buy the tabard |
| 01:12.55 | Amarande | and right now, rep gear is still important |
| 01:13.44 | Amarande | Xyphoid: buying gear will be more viable once prices for crafting come down |
| 01:13.58 | Jerub | i'm annoyed at the heroic ilvl requirements, i can't get in :/ |
| 01:14.06 | Amarande | stuff is too expensive right now because of market forces. |
| 01:14.10 | Jerub | i'll be less annoyed when i have to deal with ungeared scrubs |
| 01:14.29 | Xyphoid | that's just wrong, lots of stuff is really cheap now because people are powerlevelling professions |
| 01:14.37 | Xyphoid | and may well go up in price later |
| 01:14.39 | Amarande | Not a lot of leveled tailors yet, since embersilk isn't really easy to get in quantity |
| 01:14.56 | Amarande | LW is a nightmare, and the metalworking professions are all bottlenecked against each other due to the obsidium rush |
| 01:15.09 | Jerub | truegold rush, surely. |
| 01:15.16 | Jerub | it's the alchemists that are holding back BS |
| 01:15.24 | Wobin | Amarande: Brann's escort quest in Uldum is awesome |
| 01:15.24 | Amarande | It's weird, there's actually more elementium available for mining than there is obsidium, because so many miners can't get to the elementium level due to obsidium being overfarmed |
| 01:15.43 | Xyphoid | i thought you didn't have a miner |
| 01:15.43 | Jerub | Wobin: troggs! why did it have to be troggs!? |
| 01:15.54 | Jerub | Wobin: you're talking about halls right? |
| 01:15.58 | Amarande | Xyphoid: on Turalyon I do. but she's 450 still and obsidium is almost nowhere to be found |
| 01:16.01 | Wobin | Jerub: no |
| 01:16.14 | Xyphoid | i got to elementium just questing and picking up stuff in vashj'r, without actually ever going farming |
| 01:16.15 | Wobin | Jerub: have you done the big chain in Uldum? |
| 01:16.17 | Jerub | or, as i will now call it, 'whores' or 'hoo'. |
| 01:16.20 | Jerub | Wobin: i've done some ofit |
| 01:16.26 | Wobin | yeah, it's right at the end |
| 01:16.32 | Jerub | okay, i'll go back and do it |
| 01:16.36 | Wobin | (literally the last one) |
| 01:16.44 | Jerub | i'm 85 now, i should relaly be in twilight highlands getting gear for heroics. |
| 01:16.45 | Amarande | Jerub: 'whores' suggests you don't like the instance much and are poking fun at it |
| 01:16.49 | Jerub | (but i've been doing archeology instead) |
| 01:16.59 | Jerub | Amarande: i'm australian. we can both like osmething and poke fun at it. |
| 01:17.04 | Wobin | I've been trying that too |
| 01:17.09 | Wobin | surveyed to 100 |
| 01:17.11 | Amarande | I'll probably slow down on archaeology on the mage once I hit 450 |
| 01:17.15 | LebQzz | is there a way to return the amount repaired for when they hit the repair button? |
| 01:17.15 | Wobin | then solved to something like 240 |
| 01:17.34 | Amarande | on a big rush right now so I can get caught up to Outland and then to Northrend |
| 01:17.39 | Wobin | LebQzz: Probably, it's in the tooltip |
| 01:17.44 | Amarande | since said mage is 65 now |
| 01:18.03 | Amarande | Leb: think so, I have some sort of addon (I'm not sure which off the top of my head) that shows the gain/loss of gold while in the current vendor window |
| 01:18.05 | Jerub | Wobin: i surveyed to 94 |
| 01:18.06 | Amarande | and it does reflect repairs |
| 01:18.20 | Jerub | Wobin: now i'm exactly 1 skill point below a threshold all the way to 524 |
| 01:18.38 | Xyphoid | so am i correct in believing that if you would like a particular top-end rare item from archaology, your best bet is to not solve that at all until you max the skll? |
| 01:18.44 | Amarande | I think I surveyed to 91-92 or so, I was even going to quit sooner and go to artifacts in the upper 80s because points were coming real slow then |
| 01:18.56 | Amarande | Xyphoid: random loot is random, I think |
| 01:19.13 | Amarande | I heard someone's first Outland artifact was going to be a 130 piece rare |
| 01:19.47 | Amarande | only reason I got to 91-92 before stopping surveying, was because I was at a point where I had all four digs clustered in Stranglethorn and figured I'd finish them first |
| 01:20.24 | Amarande | btw, I'm guessing if you fly into the whirlpool in mid STV, a ghost is you. |
| 01:20.31 | Xyphoid | like, if you want the troll sword, save fragments and solve nothing trollish until 525 and level off fossils etc. then at 525 you burn all your fragments, giving you more chances at rare finds. |
| 01:20.37 | LebQzz | GetRepairAllCost |
| 01:20.39 | LebQzz | got it |
| 01:20.47 | Amarande | Xyphoid: not sure if that's been determined yet, or if it's just random |
| 01:21.00 | Amarande | it's probably random to at least a major degree |
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| 01:21.40 | Wobin | that sounds terrible |
| 01:21.45 | Amarande | I'm also not sure if it would really save you any time |
| 01:22.17 | Amarande | remember, you don't get much choice as to what fragments you get (and even if you want that troll sword, chances are a LARGE percentage of your fragments are going to be troll, simply because of the tendency for Azeroth nodes to end up being in Stranglethorn much of the time which gives nothing but) |
| 01:22.47 | Amarande | if you hold back fragments, you'll just GET to 525 all the slower, and I would expect it to at least mostly balance out if not more. |
| 01:23.57 | Xyphoid | well, this is based on being told that you can't get items like the epics until you max archaeology skill |
| 01:24.05 | bluspacecow | i installed arch |
| 01:24.14 | bluspacecow | which records what type of fragments |
| 01:24.16 | Wobin | archaeology helper is awesome |
| 01:24.18 | bluspacecow | you get at each digsite |
| 01:24.23 | bluspacecow | *Archy |
| 01:24.24 | Wobin | awesome awesome |
| 01:24.32 | bluspacecow | and just plan around it |
| 01:24.40 | Wobin | all it needs to do now is clip the range indicators to the survey zone |
| 01:25.09 | Amarande | bluspacecow: it's mostly zone based from what I've seen |
| 01:25.22 | Wobin | I might do it on my worgendruid |
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| 01:25.27 | Xyphoid | the idea behind saving one type of fragment is that you're giving up possible rare finds after 525 from *other* races, in favor of increasing the odds of the one you want. the expected time spent per rare find can't be helped, but by saving particular fragments until later you can slant what you get when you win |
| 01:25.27 | Wobin | because instant flightform zomg |
| 01:26.59 | Amarande | Hinterlands and STV give, it appears, exclusively troll. Plaguelands gives almost entirely fossils, Badlands, Hillsbrad, and Wetlands have a mix of fossil and dwarf, Burning Steppes appears to be all dwarf, I think Blasted Lands is all fossils, Duskwood is mostly fossils except for Twilight Grove which gives night elf (and seems to be the ONLY spot in Eastern Kingdoms that gives night elf). |
| 01:27.50 | Amarande | Swamp of Sorrows looks to be troll dominated. 1-20 areas look not to give digs at all; I've not yet seen any digs in Searing Gorge or Deadwind Pass, don't know if they occur there. |
| 01:28.17 | Amarande | Haven't dug at all in Kalimdor yet. |
| 01:32.39 | Amarande | I'm going to guess Kalimdor has a lot more night elf and a lot less troll? |
| 01:32.47 | Amarande | (Orc doesn't seem to exist outside of Outland.) |
| 01:33.25 | mckenziemc | Xyphoid: sure, crafters are dumping lots of stuff now, but later on the production costs will be much lower |
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| 01:41.06 | Jerub | i found an arch node in SMV you can't prospect. |
| 01:41.09 | Jerub | sigh. that's a dead zone now |
| 01:43.36 | LebQzz | when i click REpair all though a vendor with guild money, i see that guildbank_update_money and guildbank_update_withdrawmoney fires, but i want the AMOUNT from those events. |
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| 01:57.36 | ccox | Jerub - file a ticket for the unreachable arch node |
| 01:58.05 | ccox | Jerub: I've found a few others, and they need to be hotfixed by Blizz |
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| 02:05.49 | Amarande | ccox: there's also the nigh on invisible ones in shallow water in EPL |
| 02:06.04 | ccox | ah, haven't come across those yet |
| 02:06.14 | Amarande | which are bad because you can't get under the water to look, you can't see them above the water and all you can do is flail the mouse around till the tooltip shows up |
| 02:06.39 | Amarande | and your only clue is that you've been green and then didn't get a telescope |
| 02:06.45 | Computerpunk | Lol... |
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| 02:07.28 | Amarande | ccox: it's mostly the dig site that's just west of Corin's Crossing that has that |
| 02:07.42 | ccox | I'll keep that in mind once I get a site there |
| 02:07.55 | Amarande | there's apparently also the infamous (haven't seen it yet but heard about it) node in that digsite where you can only find it by scraping along the outside till you find it, because the node is not in the dig site proper |
| 02:12.55 | ccox | There's one outside the site and unreachable in Dire Maul |
| 02:13.18 | ccox | I spent half an hour trying to find and reach it -- and other players have spent quite a bit of time |
| 02:13.28 | ccox | that's the first one I had to file a ticket for |
| 02:16.00 | Computerpunk | Dire maul? |
| 02:16.03 | Computerpunk | Never had problems there. |
| 02:16.37 | Amarande | ccox: not even by standing at the very edge of the digsite and surveying from there? |
| 02:16.43 | Amarande | or is it more than 10 yards out? |
| 02:17.20 | ccox | yep, I tried finding the very edge, always a green telescope, move an inch and "can't do that here" |
| 02:19.02 | Computerpunk | Move sideways then. |
| 02:19.21 | ccox | I did |
| 02:19.46 | Computerpunk | I mean, move while facing the center of the dig site. |
| 02:19.51 | Computerpunk | Worked for me, lol. |
| 02:19.58 | ccox | I tried a grid search using the coordinates, narrowed down the edge, and couldn't reach it |
| 02:20.49 | Computerpunk | I guess Blizz tests its things. |
| 02:21.01 | ccox | lol |
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| 02:28.15 | Jerub | ccox: yeah, filed a ticket |
| 02:28.23 | Jerub | ccox: gave coordinates and time i found it. |
| 02:28.27 | ccox | good |
| 02:28.52 | ccox | hopefully they'll at least assign an intern to review all the arch node locations |
| 02:29.11 | Jerub | ccox: do you know of an addon that shows arch node locations on the minimap? |
| 02:29.16 | Jerub | ccox: becaue that'd be really useful. |
| 02:29.17 | ccox | not yet |
| 02:29.24 | ccox | gatherer is adding code to track them |
| 02:29.27 | Jerub | nice |
| 02:29.31 | ccox | wowhead hasn't added tracking yet, that I know of |
| 02:29.35 | Jerub | we all know they're consistent locations. |
| 02:29.38 | Jerub | so it's just a matter of time |
| 02:29.55 | ccox | yep |
| 02:29.56 | Pneumatus | gathermate2 tracks arch nodes that you've found |
| 02:29.56 | Computerpunk | AND THEN, BLIZZ MAKES IT EPIC. |
| 02:30.03 | Computerpunk | And randomizes coordinates. |
| 02:30.04 | Jerub | Pneumatus: ty |
| 02:30.09 | Computerpunk | Then, let's see you dig up nodes. xD |
| 02:30.43 | Jerub | Computerpunk: the currently design does some nice stuff. arch nodes are often between pats, not inside tunnels, mostly on clear ground, never in water |
| 02:31.14 | Computerpunk | And yet, the system can be easily broken down. |
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| 02:45.28 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: whats your total for this one day? |
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| 02:56.40 | mckenziemc | @project !bugsack |
| 02:56.41 | Repo | mckenziemc: No project found that matches '!bugsack' |
| 02:56.46 | mckenziemc | project bugsack |
| 02:56.55 | mckenziemc | @project bugsack |
| 02:56.56 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bugsack/. BugSack. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 days ago. Tickets: 3/16 |
| 02:57.21 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: havent spent any yet, i figure that the money on myy cc should collect interest first |
| 02:57.26 | Kraps | >.> |
| 03:02.02 | Jerub | ccox: do you think archeology is woth doing after you max it and hit the achieves? do you think they'll expand the loot table? |
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| 03:02.16 | ccox | Jerub - I have no idea |
| 03:02.28 | Jerub | it's going to atrophy if the best drops are 346 epics and we push past 400 in raids |
| 03:02.34 | ccox | yep |
| 03:02.43 | Shirik | I feel like Microsoft |
| 03:02.44 | Shirik | or Google |
| 03:02.57 | Shirik | I'm buying off the little guys' gems on the AH and tripling the price |
| 03:03.01 | Shirik | and they're selling really fast |
| 03:03.30 | Jerub | Shirik: you're helping the market normalise around a more realisitic price point for supply and demand,while selflessly carrying the risk. |
| 03:03.41 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 03:05.06 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: but there will be more intrest if you buy more! |
| 03:05.17 | Kraps | :p |
| 03:06.00 | Amarande | wtf, when did Turalyon become high pop? |
| 03:06.12 | Amarande | Shirik: heh, I tend to cause prices to lower, personally |
| 03:06.25 | Amarande | unless it's clearly something rare and omgexpensive, I tend to put them pretty cheap |
| 03:06.31 | Thunder_Child | >.< my cart is up to $78 |
| 03:06.33 | Amarande | like usually 5-20g for greens, depending on their level of origin |
| 03:06.45 | Amarande | I've seen some folks charging 30-50g+ for similar greens |
| 03:09.23 | Jerub | i had this discussion, about buying and relisting, on trade. |
| 03:09.34 | Jerub | for about 5 minutes the trolling gave way to a discussion on the free market. |
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| 03:09.44 | Jerub | and then went back to stupid spam. |
| 03:09.57 | Jerub | Shirik: you're pregnant? |
| 03:11.36 | Aurorus | yes Jerub, he finally got there :) |
| 03:13.43 | Amarande | oh Shiirrrrrrrrrik |
| 03:13.50 | Amarande | check the Lunar eclipse page on wikipedia |
| 03:14.01 | Amarande | "A climax occurs when the male genitals pass behind the female genitals so that the male's genitals blocks the female's genitals rays from striking the males genitals. This can occur only when the Sun, Earth, and Moon are aligned exactly, or very closely so, with the Earth in the middle. Hence, there is always a full moon the night of a lunar eclipse." *headdesk* |
| 03:17.28 | fictive | was thinking I'd try creating an addon that has something to do with druids eclipse as my first addon, any way to detect the progress of the current eclipse value? |
| 03:19.45 | Jerub | !api Eclipse |
| 03:19.45 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'Eclipse': GetEclipseDirection, ECLIPSE_DIRECTION_CHANGE |
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| 03:20.15 | airtonix | $hirik |
| 03:21.37 | fictive | ah, thanks Jerub |
| 03:21.42 | fictive | I was looking in the wrong wiki page :) |
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| 03:32.29 | Lulia | lol |
| 03:32.40 | Lulia | Even Blizzard realizes how ridiculously long some of their names are |
| 03:33.12 | Lulia | This is from Blizzard_CompactRaidFrameManager.lua: |
| 03:33.19 | Lulia | local button = _G["CompactRaidFrameManagerDisplayFrameLeaderOptionsRaidMarker"..i];--.... /cry |
| 03:35.34 | fictive | rather an understandable name than a name you can't deduce what does |
| 03:35.48 | Lulia | I just like the comment |
| 03:36.22 | Computerpunk | fictive, I'd rather have it named: CRFMDFLORM<i> |
| 03:36.28 | Computerpunk | Looks cool. |
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| 03:37.05 | Xyphoid | 10 parts, not bad |
| 03:38.18 | fictive | oh, the comment was theirs hah |
| 03:38.32 | Xyphoid | the longest i've seen in non-WoW code is 'class Mage_Adminhtml_Block_Catalog_Product_Edit_Tab_Super_Config_Grid_Renderer_Inventory' |
| 03:38.35 | fictive | quick question: should I as a balance druid be able to get the Survival Instinct buff? |
| 03:40.03 | Lulia | Now I just need to figure out if I can use the :Click() function with only the button name. Since Blizz wants to be silly and make PlaceRaidMarker() a protected function (which makes no freaking sense) |
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| 03:55.20 | Kraps | should i get both bioshocks? |
| 03:55.52 | Kraps | or just the first one? |
| 03:56.17 | mckenziemc | neither |
| 03:56.20 | Computerpunk | Make me a sammwich. |
| 03:56.22 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 03:56.33 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i whittled it down to $25 |
| 03:57.01 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: how many games? |
| 03:57.36 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: well 4 of them are indie packs |
| 03:57.43 | Kraps | well damn |
| 03:57.54 | Thunder_Child | so 16 right there |
| 03:58.07 | Thunder_Child | well, 14 since i had 2 |
| 04:00.21 | Kraps | maybe the future, beat and smarts packs? |
| 04:00.37 | Kraps | and drop fallout 3? |
| 04:01.19 | airtonix | Lulia, it makes perfect sense |
| 04:01.33 | Kraps | whats the big deal about super meat boy? |
| 04:01.47 | airtonix | kinky |
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| 04:01.53 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, but it didnt look that good |
| 04:01.58 | Thunder_Child | after i watched the video |
| 04:02.41 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, do yo understand the term "Thunder Box" ? |
| 04:03.09 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: nope |
| 04:04.12 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, it is australian colloquialism for Outhouse where dad makes loud noises and obnoxious smells |
| 04:04.26 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, do you eat beans |
| 04:05.33 | airtonix | http://everybodypoops.ca/images/Thunder%20Box.jpg |
| 04:05.43 | Kraps | (man i really want fallout) |
| 04:05.59 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: not really, though i do fart quite a bit |
| 04:06.08 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: why? |
| 04:06.09 | airtonix | Thunder_Child kraps |
| 04:06.14 | Amarande | btw, did I hear right that Silvermoon-US is getting ENSIDIA? |
| 04:06.21 | airtonix | :( |
| 04:06.21 | Amarande | I heard talk on trade chat there about it |
| 04:06.24 | Kraps | because it's an rpg |
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| 04:06.28 | airtonix | lol |
| 04:06.33 | Kraps | what |
| 04:06.40 | Dagmar | Why would you care? |
| 04:06.49 | airtonix | at least i enjoy it more than final fantasy |
| 04:07.03 | airtonix | real time sniper :) |
| 04:07.07 | Kraps | and its not a fantasy rpg |
| 04:07.20 | Thunder_Child | meh, it was garbage as compaired to oblivion |
| 04:07.20 | airtonix | its a nuclear apocolypse rpg |
| 04:07.26 | Dagmar | That depends on in which direction your fantasies lie |
| 04:07.28 | airtonix | oblivions was crap |
| 04:08.22 | airtonix | fallout should be using the crysis2 engine imo |
| 04:08.45 | airtonix | and it should implement wow addon system |
| 04:09.02 | airtonix | and |
| 04:09.06 | Amarande | hell, at some point I'll probably end up playing Pokemon |
| 04:09.10 | airtonix | it should be multiplayer co-op |
| 04:09.16 | Amarande | since it's one of the few classical RPG series still going strong |
| 04:09.17 | Kraps | i'm talking about fallout 3 |
| 04:09.19 | Thunder_Child | and the D3 loot system |
| 04:09.26 | airtonix | yeah and |
| 04:09.28 | airtonix | it should |
| 04:09.33 | Dagmar | If you think fire types are OP I dont' want to hear about it, dig? |
| 04:09.34 | airtonix | allow for LAN |
| 04:09.59 | Kraps | so my total is $46.84 |
| 04:10.09 | airtonix | for drugs? |
| 04:10.14 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:10.18 | Kraps | from steam |
| 04:10.21 | airtonix | you're a cheap date |
| 04:11.00 | airtonix | at least you self medicate |
| 04:11.41 | airtonix | if i didn't like oblivion will i dislike dragons age ? |
| 04:12.04 | airtonix | if i didn't like neverwinter nights2 ? |
| 04:12.25 | Kraps | whaddya think Thunder_Child? |
| 04:12.34 | airtonix | farts Kraps Thunder_Child |
| 04:12.41 | Lulia | airtonix: Explain why it makes perfect sense. How is it going to be exploited? |
| 04:13.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: dont forget that they are going to have daily deals till the 2nd |
| 04:13.13 | Thunder_Child | 13 more days |
| 04:13.15 | Kraps | i havent :( |
| 04:13.24 | Dagmar | Most of the rest will involve Peggle |
| 04:13.33 | airtonix | Lulia, because , becuase. |
| 04:13.38 | Kraps | i have peggle |
| 04:13.46 | Kraps | worst skinner box ever |
| 04:13.57 | airtonix | i thought BigWigs put raid markers over players heads depending on events ? did that stop recently ? |
| 04:14.07 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: DA:O was garbage because of the fail AI system |
| 04:14.09 | Dagmar | I look at Peggle's "box art" and one word comes to mind. |
| 04:14.11 | Dagmar | "Gay." |
| 04:14.17 | airtonix | Homosexual |
| 04:14.27 | airtonix | it's definitly not happy |
| 04:14.34 | Dagmar | airtonix: Might have been put stop to for them |
| 04:14.48 | airtonix | Lulia, ^ |
| 04:15.09 | airtonix | artificially increase raid difficulty by gimping interface |
| 04:15.46 | airtonix | also |
| 04:15.52 | airtonix | if i was still playing |
| 04:16.18 | airtonix | nevermind |
| 04:16.28 | airtonix | (you can't put raidmarkers on fishing bobbers) |
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| 04:18.12 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: they're not gonna repeat sales are they? |
| 04:18.30 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: that i dont know. |
| 04:19.39 | Kraps | wow i cant decide on fallout |
| 04:19.58 | airtonix | get fallout nv |
| 04:20.08 | airtonix | 3 is too corny |
| 04:20.24 | Lulia | airtonix: It's not possible for boss mods to place the world raid markers using PlaceRaidMarker() |
| 04:20.26 | Kraps | but it's a sequel |
| 04:20.37 | Lulia | The function just allows the player to click and place the world raid marker |
| 04:20.41 | Lulia | It doesn't set it down on the ground |
| 04:20.51 | Lulia | However, if that WAS a concern, they could simply make it NoCombat |
| 04:20.51 | airtonix | Lulia, yes. but if you read above. |
| 04:21.13 | airtonix | Lulia, you can use it with autoit3 to enhance it's bitmap scanning functions |
| 04:21.26 | airtonix | makes it easier for the scanPixelColour function to find the target |
| 04:21.31 | Lulia | autoit3? |
| 04:21.53 | Lulia | That would already occur from it being placed |
| 04:22.00 | airtonix | ... |
| 04:22.04 | Lulia | That doesn't change because only the Blizzard UI has the button to let you palce it |
| 04:22.07 | Lulia | place* |
| 04:22.24 | airtonix | its ok im not going to explain it for you. |
| 04:22.36 | airtonix | adhoc botting |
| 04:22.39 | Lulia | Then you have no argument |
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| 04:22.46 | airtonix | oh but i do |
| 04:22.50 | airtonix | its just that |
| 04:22.54 | airtonix | it seems |
| 04:23.04 | airtonix | that you require an indepth explaination |
| 04:23.16 | Lulia | Those bots can already detect it then when the raid marker is down |
| 04:23.24 | airtonix | yes |
| 04:23.25 | Lulia | Which players can do through the default UI |
| 04:23.25 | airtonix | but |
| 04:23.31 | airtonix | you can't place raidmarkers anymore |
| 04:23.38 | airtonix | from addons |
| 04:23.46 | airtonix | automatically |
| 04:23.56 | Lulia | Addons can't place world raid markers automatically |
| 04:24.04 | airtonix | did i just say that ? |
| 04:24.08 | airtonix | lol |
| 04:24.09 | Lulia | ... |
| 04:24.14 | Lulia | You're not understanding what I'm saying |
| 04:24.15 | clever | cant you just get the same effect from automatic waypoints in tomtom? |
| 04:24.21 | Lulia | ... |
| 04:24.22 | airtonix | no |
| 04:24.31 | clever | it doesnt have to be in the 3d world to mark a point |
| 04:24.32 | Lulia | In 4.0.3a Blizzard introduced "World Raid Markers" |
| 04:24.33 | Amarande | WTF? |
| 04:24.40 | Lulia | These are not the icons that float above people's heads |
| 04:24.47 | Amarande | When did they decide that if a druid b-rezzes someone and there's a lock in the raid, any soulstone in said raid becomes unusable? |
| 04:24.51 | Lulia | They are floating Icons that can be placed on the ground with swirly effects |
| 04:24.55 | airtonix | Amarande, old |
| 04:25.05 | Lulia | They're essentially flares that a raid leader can use to explain positioning in fights or mark spots |
| 04:25.34 | Lulia | When you click on the button to place one you get a little green circle like you would get if you were to cast a ground AoE |
| 04:26.05 | Lulia | You click on the ground somewhere and the floating icon is placed there. |
| 04:26.24 | airtonix | http://www.aionsource.com/topic/123744-thank-you-ayase/page__view__findpost__p__2515622 |
| 04:26.26 | airtonix | lol |
| 04:26.35 | Lulia | The function PlaceRaidMarker() allows the player to click where they want one, it does not place it for them. |
| 04:26.55 | Lulia | Thus it's already, by the design of the function, impossible for an AddOn to place the world raid markers down on the ground automatically |
| 04:27.04 | Lulia | They don't need to protecti t to stop them from doing that |
| 04:27.13 | airtonix | lets hope ncwest have nothing to do with guildwars2 |
| 04:28.40 | Kraps | dropping fallout |
| 04:29.17 | Amarande | also, apparently we may start needing 4 healers in raids now :| |
| 04:29.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: $26.75 |
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| 04:29.30 | Amarande | 4 healers, 2 tanks probably, so we're 4-DPSing raids now? |
| 04:29.34 | Amarande | I hope the enrage timers aren't too bad |
| 04:29.53 | Lulia | It's supposed to be 3 heals for a 10 man |
| 04:29.58 | Lulia | Where's this 4 heals coming from? |
| 04:31.14 | Amarande | concerns about 3 not being enough |
| 04:31.21 | Amarande | especially with mana and how much damage is being thrown around |
| 04:31.21 | Lulia | I think the engineering helicopter should work underwater and transform with a bubble over the cockpit when you do go underwater, that would be sick. |
| 04:31.25 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: if you really want it the non GOTY is 14.99 |
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| 04:31.31 | Lulia | If 3 isn't enough, your healers aren't doing their job :-/ |
| 04:31.43 | Lulia | Or your DPS are taking too much damage |
| 04:31.48 | Lulia | Or you guys aren't geared enough |
| 04:32.15 | Lulia | I mean, nothing is stopping people from using 4 healers, but I dont think that's how Blizzard designs 10 mans |
| 04:32.27 | Amarande | Lulia: given that this is our first baby-step learning trip into BWD, I'm thinking "not geared enough" |
| 04:32.57 | Lulia | 4 healers isn't a bad idea then, just so you live long enough to see mechanics |
| 04:33.03 | Lulia | Doesn't matter so much if you hit enrage timers |
| 04:33.40 | Kraps | yeah good point Thunder_Child |
| 04:33.59 | Lulia | It's probably a combination of not being geared enough and not knowing the fight, I'm sure there's damage you could avoid better, but you haven't done it enough yet |
| 04:34.26 | Lulia | There's also a chance healers are overreacting to damage too |
| 04:35.04 | Amarande | Lulia: on the golem council at the beginning of BWD? |
| 04:35.10 | Amarande | much of that you CAN'T avoid, it seems |
| 04:35.21 | Lulia | Right, but... |
| 04:35.35 | Amarande | their idea of AoE is "toss a hybrid daisy cutter/MIRV over the whole area" |
| 04:35.46 | Lulia | From what I've seen so far, there's no unavoidable damage out there that will take you from 50% to 0 before you can get some heals. |
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| 04:35.55 | Lulia | However |
| 04:36.03 | Lulia | Most healers are stuck in the mindset of "heal to full" |
| 04:36.08 | Lulia | And are wasting mana topping people off |
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| 04:36.27 | Kraps | <^ |
| 04:37.02 | Kraps | lunar eclipse tonight btw |
| 04:37.20 | clever | Lulia: my healer is only 50 and i'm already sticking to the idea of just keeping them alive |
| 04:37.23 | clever | 100% == overheal |
| 04:37.53 | Lulia | Yeah, it's not really needed before 80, but it's not a bad habit to get into |
| 04:38.12 | Lulia | You just have to be careful because content in some of the earlier dungeons does revolve around keeping people topped off |
| 04:38.19 | clever | even still, ive run blackrock depths more times then i can count, and some groups just suck |
| 04:38.31 | clever | sometimes, i bearly have to heal the tank |
| 04:38.41 | clever | other times, i wind up out of mana and drinking after every pull |
| 04:39.14 | Lulia | like I said, not a bad practice to start getting in the habit off |
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| 04:39.22 | Lulia | The biggest obstacle to healers right now is not being used to it |
| 04:39.31 | Lulia | Most of us are uncomfortable letting health bars sit at 50% |
| 04:39.35 | Lulia | It makes our skin crawl |
| 04:39.59 | Amarande | Lulia: also, now I can see why they didn't take out the raid mounts from LK in cata |
| 04:40.07 | Amarande | and the raid achievements |
| 04:40.23 | Amarande | heroic LK in particular can't be much easier now, if it is at all, just a different set of challenges |
| 04:40.25 | Kraps | http://www.cspan.org/Events/Supreme-Court-Oral-Argument--Schwarzenegger-v-Entertainment-Merchants/19684-1/ |
| 04:40.51 | Amarande | Now it's that healers can't keep topping people off, but if you don't top people off Infest will own the raid |
| 04:41.15 | Lulia | Well, they really don't hold any special value either now. |
| 04:41.21 | Lulia | Since 310% is bought |
| 04:43.23 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: http://store.steampowered.com/app/26500/ has a language option of lolspeak |
| 04:43.27 | Thunder_Child | i am so unhappy |
| 04:43.44 | Wobin | Amarande: haha, yeah, I had to point that out to our guild tanks last night |
| 04:43.48 | Kraps | lolwut |
| 04:44.13 | Thunder_Child | it's in options |
| 04:45.55 | Lulia | In WotLK the gear reset from 70-80 was pretty soft, such that end-game epics from 70 could still be useful in 80 heroics and even a little into the raids. Then, on top of that, gear between tiers was so inflated that you could just stomp through the previous tier in the next tier's gear. |
| 04:46.06 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: is it a good game? |
| 04:46.11 | Lulia | They fixed the first problem in Cata with a hard gear reset, I'm curious to see how gear inflation goes |
| 04:46.15 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i just started playing it |
| 04:46.32 | Aurorus | how did they fix it Lulia? |
| 04:46.37 | airtonix | with your face |
| 04:47.12 | Aurorus | my face does fix lots of bad situations, that's true. |
| 04:47.21 | Lulia | Hard gear reset, Aurorus. Essentially the gear inflation between 80-85 was high. I just hope the gear inflation between tiers isn't also high like it was in WotLK |
| 04:47.21 | airtonix | your face would be enough to make anyone drop their pants |
| 04:47.32 | Aurorus | especially girls, airtonix ;) |
| 04:47.37 | Kemayo | Anything shown up yet to put digsite borders on the minimap? |
| 04:47.40 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 04:47.45 | Lulia | You can't get away with level 80 epics in 85 heroics, you could get away with 70 epics in 80 heroics |
| 04:47.48 | Aurorus | hehe |
| 04:48.13 | airtonix | Aurorus, you login and you are naked. |
| 04:48.17 | airtonix | what do you do? |
| 04:48.19 | Aurorus | ohh, is it an insane stat jump or what makes the 80 epics useless? |
| 04:48.41 | Aurorus | airtonix: blame you for stealing my pants |
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| 04:48.48 | airtonix | gay mans pants |
| 04:48.57 | airtonix | gay truckers etc |
| 04:49.09 | Jerub | Aurorus: the stat jump is biggest for non-plate wearers. |
| 04:49.12 | Aurorus | if that's what you like, who am I to judge... :-/ |
| 04:49.21 | airtonix | why emm cee aye |
| 04:49.22 | Aurorus | Ahh ok - so it's a big stat jump? |
| 04:49.40 | Aurorus | what HPs are we talking now for buffed tanks? :P |
| 04:49.46 | Lulia | My warrior is so op, it's awesome |
| 04:49.48 | Aurorus | anyone reached 100k yet? |
| 04:50.05 | Lulia | Everyone is past 100k |
| 04:50.07 | Lulia | Even clothies |
| 04:50.13 | Aurorus | 100k HP!? |
| 04:50.16 | Lulia | Yes |
| 04:50.27 | Aurorus | but....at 80 all you had was ~30k |
| 04:50.34 | Lulia | Tanks entering heroics are like 140-160k hp |
| 04:50.39 | Lulia | Raid tanks have more I'm sure |
| 04:50.47 | Aurorus | that is so ridiculous... >.< |
| 04:50.49 | Aurorus | wow |
| 04:51.15 | Lulia | stam got the biggest boost, as Blizz promised, but all the stats jumped really high |
| 04:51.31 | Jerub | Aurorus: toons at 85 are at 100k. |
| 04:51.31 | Aurorus | is that across all levels or just 80-85? |
| 04:51.38 | Lulia | It did what it was supposed to do. It made initial content relavent and challenging |
| 04:51.45 | Aurorus | the stamina boost |
| 04:52.09 | Aurorus | wow |
| 04:52.11 | Aurorus | just wow |
| 04:52.15 | Lulia | Wrath heroics were challenging at the start, at-gear level. However, the top BC raiders were sort of geared from the previous content so it wasn't as challenging to them |
| 04:52.15 | Jerub | Aurorus: i have enough mana on my druid to cast rejuv 10 times before i'm oom. |
| 04:52.30 | Jerub | Aurorus: and that's with a 60k mana pool. |
| 04:52.35 | Lulia | Jerub: Right, but that's because of how much Rejuv costs now, as opposed to not getting mana |
| 04:52.46 | Lulia | My Paladin has like 65k mana and I'm not nearly geared yet |
| 04:52.50 | Lulia | No gems, no enchants |
| 04:53.02 | Aurorus | in LotRO, raid buffed tanks come in at 10k, the really great ones at 11k health. My healer is ridiculously raid geared and I come in at 7k buffed hp with 5k mana pool |
| 04:53.19 | Lulia | Vanilla ftw? |
| 04:53.23 | Jerub | Aurorus: but those are entirely different stats in a differnet game with different mechanics. |
| 04:53.34 | Aurorus | yeah, true Jerub |
| 04:53.47 | Aurorus | but still....7k vs. 100k :P |
| 04:53.54 | Aurorus | I feel....small |
| 04:53.57 | Jerub | with 100k health pools, and the rate of damage coming in, and the way that healing works now, healers are having to adjust their play style to have a lot more finesse. |
| 04:54.06 | Jerub | and i'm *really* enjoying it. |
| 04:54.16 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: it's interesting, but more or less like any other puzzle type game |
| 04:54.44 | Aurorus | so if we talk end-game raids, the raid boss can get in about 4 hits on a tank (8 seconds) before it's all over. How does that work out in WoW? |
| 04:55.03 | Jerub | Aurorus: the game as it is now, in a boss fight i'm seriousy looking at the mage on 1/3 health and thinking, "given this bosses abliities, the amount of time remaining in the fight, and my mana, i'm going to decide to /not/ heal you for the rest of the encounter" |
| 04:55.05 | Lulia | I wrote a whole guide on the topic of the new heal style |
| 04:55.27 | Lulia | A lot of people liked it, but some people were complaining about it |
| 04:55.29 | Aurorus | wow, so healing is very much a triage now? |
| 04:55.32 | Jerub | in wotlk. i'd be like, "1/3 health mage zomg emergency" |
| 04:55.41 | Lulia | Yes, Aurorus |
| 04:55.44 | Jerub | yep. |
| 04:55.45 | Lulia | As I mentioned earlier :P |
| 04:56.30 | Lulia | Here's the thread. I posted it on the WoW Forums too, but it had to be separated into multiple posts and what-not, on TankSpot it all got to go into one post: http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?72515-Triage-Healing-Getting-over-quot-green-bars-quot |
| 04:57.23 | Jerub | "This state of healing was taken to such an extreme that healers would often heal people who were already at full health" |
| 04:57.28 | Jerub | ^this a thousand times this. |
| 05:00.29 | Adys | !api GameTooltip:GetDontSavePosition |
| 05:00.29 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GameTooltip:GetDontSavePosition'. |
| 05:00.31 | Adys | wtf is that |
| 05:02.58 | Lulia | Glad you agree, Jerub, let me know what you think of the whole thing |
| 05:03.46 | Aurorus | What do you mean by your quote Jerub? |
| 05:03.59 | Aurorus | why would you heal someone who was at full health? Anticipation of extreme damage? |
| 05:04.34 | Lulia | It was a quote from my post, and yes, that was the state of healing previously, especially in WotLK |
| 05:05.15 | Lulia | So much damage was going out that healers always wanted to be casting. Mana was such a non-issue for geared players that it was considered more efficient to heal a target you expected to take damage, even if they were at full, rather than do nothing. |
| 05:05.22 | Lulia | Or do something else |
| 05:05.28 | Aurorus | ahh, I'm with you now |
| 05:06.18 | Lulia | People could easily go from less than full to almost dead very quickly. If a player was at 50% it was fully possible for certain abilities to just outright kill them |
| 05:07.19 | Aurorus | That sounds a bit barbaric - so how has that changed now? |
| 05:07.26 | Aurorus | What mechanic makes the difference? |
| 05:08.03 | Lulia | It's not one thing, it's a number of changes |
| 05:08.09 | Lulia | First, people have a lot more health now |
| 05:08.36 | Lulia | So, as long as they're avoiding damage they can avoid, there really aren't any abilities that could, say, drop them from 50% to 0 before a healer can heal them. |
| 05:08.51 | Lulia | Second, most heals cost a lot more compared to what their strength is |
| 05:09.24 | Lulia | So, for instance, Flash of Light easily costs more than 7x what it used to, but probably heals for about twice what it did in WotLK, maybe 3x more, I don't remember |
| 05:09.38 | Lulia | Either way, heals are relatively smaller and their mana cost is relatively larger |
| 05:09.55 | Aurorus | ok, so they've brought healing down in yield essentially? |
| 05:09.58 | Lulia | The combined effect is, healers that are always casting are going to go OOM |
| 05:10.08 | Lulia | And that players don't need to be at full to live. |
| 05:10.31 | Jerub | Lulia: i'm reading your post |
| 05:10.36 | Lulia | They've slowed healing down, effectively, not so that you're not doing anything necessarily, but so that you have time to make a good or bad decision about what heal you want to use |
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| 05:10.40 | Jerub | Lulia: your list of steps is a bit whacky. i'm redoing it as a graph. |
| 05:10.41 | Lulia | Make the wrong decisions and you go OOM early |
| 05:10.56 | Lulia | Make the right decisions and you survive the fight |
| 05:11.02 | Aurorus | OOM? Sorry - WoW newb :) |
| 05:11.06 | Lulia | Out of Mana |
| 05:11.14 | Aurorus | ahh, gotcha |
| 05:11.15 | Adys | out of memory, too |
| 05:11.29 | Lulia | Or make the wrong decisions and someone dies |
| 05:11.40 | Adys | or have a bad graphic card and someone dies |
| 05:11.44 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:11.46 | Jerub | Lulia: i think step 9 should jump to step 5 |
| 05:12.50 | DWSR | They basically made healer mana matter. |
| 05:13.06 | DWSR | Lower strength, higher cost, slower healing. |
| 05:14.53 | Jerub | Lulia: i think step 4 and step 9 are actually the same thing |
| 05:15.27 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/B8nnO.png |
| 05:17.31 | Lulia | Not bad, I like it |
| 05:17.50 | Lulia | How would you like me to credit you? |
| 05:18.28 | Jerub | Lulia: i think it should be improved first. |
| 05:18.33 | Jerub | now i understand it i'll fiddle. sec. |
| 05:21.38 | mckenziemc | "For the North American market, the name was changed from Puck Man to Pac-Man, as it was thought that vandals would be likely to change the P in "puck" to an F, forming a common expletive." --wikipedia |
| 05:22.38 | Lulia | Fac Man! |
| 05:24.37 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:24.48 | Cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 05:24.53 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn. :) |
| 05:24.56 | Amarande | Ready for the eclipse? |
| 05:24.59 | Lulia | :) |
| 05:25.07 | Cairenn | hi Amarande, yes |
| 05:25.18 | fictive | could anyone help me spot my error? Trying to make my first addon, but I keep getting a "not found on self" error for "Usage: RegisterEvent("eventname", "methodname"): 'methodname' - method 'HandleUnitPowerEvent" |
| 05:25.20 | fictive | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144137 |
| 05:25.25 | Lulia | Cairenn: The new WoWI stuff is looking nice |
| 05:25.33 | Cairenn | Lulia: glad you like :) |
| 05:25.39 | Lulia | No one will send me a PM though to see if there's an alert for PMs with it |
| 05:25.41 | Lulia | :( |
| 05:25.56 | mckenziemc | fictive, how did you define HandleUnitPowerEvent |
| 05:26.08 | fictive | the source is in the link I pasted |
| 05:26.18 | mckenziemc | oh sorry i'm blind >< |
| 05:26.33 | Jerub | http://imgur.com/NLy3Z |
| 05:26.33 | fictive | think I followed the ace3 tutorial pretty straight forwardly, but meh :| |
| 05:26.35 | Jerub | that's a better one. |
| 05:26.39 | Cairenn | Lulia: why wouldn't there be? |
| 05:26.54 | Jerub | http://pastebin.com/RNTyTpd1 |
| 05:26.57 | Jerub | graphviz src is here. |
| 05:27.07 | Lulia | Well previously there wasnt, I would just see a bold text with Messages: 1 or whatever |
| 05:27.11 | Lulia | And that's how I knew I hado ne |
| 05:27.25 | Arrowmaster | fictive: create a MyAddon:OnEnable() function and put the RegisterEvent in there |
| 05:27.28 | Cairenn | Lulia: did you ever turn the option on? |
| 05:27.32 | Lulia | But now that it doesn't show that, I would have to consciously check my inbox, unless you guys added a pop-up alert |
| 05:27.44 | Lulia | I suppose I didnt! |
| 05:27.52 | Jerub | http://imgur.com/NLy3Z |
| 05:28.02 | mckenziemc | yeah, you want that kinda stuff in OnEnable, although i don't know if that's whats causing the issue |
| 05:28.06 | mckenziemc | oh yeah, it is |
| 05:28.20 | Lulia | Hmm, where is it |
| 05:28.31 | Lulia | Jerub: Checking it out while trying to figure out PM alerts |
| 05:28.46 | Jerub | blast, it's not right |
| 05:28.49 | Cairenn | Lulia: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144138 |
| 05:29.17 | mckenziemc | fictive: you're telling AceEvent to use HandleUnitPowerEvent, but the lua interpreter has not reached the definition for it yet -- when you register an event, AceEvent makes sure that the function already exists |
| 05:29.18 | Cairenn | User Control Panel > Options > ^^ |
| 05:29.28 | Amarande | So Dragon's Tooth used to be Wintersbite, and Sorrowmoss used to be Plaguebloom. |
| 05:29.29 | fictive | ahh |
| 05:29.35 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: that is not the problem |
| 05:29.35 | Amarande | What did Arthas' Tears turn into, or was it removed entirely? |
| 05:29.38 | fictive | functional programming *shakes head* |
| 05:29.45 | mckenziemc | moving it to OnEnable will fix it, because that doesn't get called till later |
| 05:29.50 | Arrowmaster | fictive: dont listen to him |
| 05:29.54 | Cairenn | and, yes it does still show you on the site if you have a new PM, it'll be in the bracket beside your name on the menu bar at the top |
| 05:29.54 | Lulia | Cairenn: Oh... *embarrassed* |
| 05:30.45 | mckenziemc | and you want to do that anyway, so that Enable and Disable properly work, setting up your events or disabling them respectively |
| 05:30.47 | Lulia | Jerub: There's no topping off stage. While I emphasize that it's the lowest priority, I still feel there's value in the buffer if you can afford it. |
| 05:30.54 | Arrowmaster | fictive: using an OnEnable will fix it for other reasons |
| 05:31.21 | fictive | Knowing the reasons would probably help me in understanding later problems, would you care to explain? |
| 05:31.37 | Cairenn | Lulia: hit refresh on your WoWI browser tab :p |
| 05:31.37 | fictive | it works now, btw, thanks a lot :) |
| 05:31.46 | mckenziemc | AceAddon will wait to call Enable on your addon till PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 05:31.55 | Lulia | Oh, that's very neat, Cairenn. I like it :) |
| 05:32.06 | mckenziemc | which is important because some parts of the api are not ready till then |
| 05:32.45 | mckenziemc | and it's good practice to have Enable and Disable work -- you might add slash commands to temporarily disable your addon, it can be useful sometimes |
| 05:32.45 | Arrowmaster | fictive: its not designed to have RegisterEvent called immediately like that, RegisterEvent is ment to be called during OnEnable or later |
| 05:33.38 | fictive | Ah, ok. That sounds reasonable. |
| 05:34.32 | fictive | btw, wowi really does look smooth now ^^ |
| 05:34.54 | Cairenn | fictive: glad you like :) |
| 05:35.04 | Cairenn | dolby did a great job on it, I think |
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| 05:35.45 | fictive | the icons are really self-explanatory too |
| 05:36.12 | Lulia | I found a little error, PMed dolby about it and it was fixed quickly. :) |
| 05:38.46 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 05:38.55 | LebQzz | anyone know a little abot listing a table in pairs mode? |
| 05:40.14 | mckenziemc | as an aside, loading sequence is 'click login on char select' -> wow starts loading addons (your character is not zoned in yet and some info is not available) -> immediately after an addon finishes loading, wow loads the addon's savedvariables and fires ADDON_LOADED with an argument indicating which addon it was -> if it fires for your addon and you used Ace3, Ace3 will call OnInitialize for your addon -> your addon proce |
| 05:40.20 | Kraps | omg http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1282140/ is hilarious |
| 05:40.56 | fictive | ah :) |
| 05:41.02 | mckenziemc | and yeah, i think the new wowi skin is really nice, much easier on the eyes |
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| 05:43.35 | mckenziemc | i'm guessing GetEclipseDirection() won't work till after PLAYER_LOGIN though, so once you get to that point you can move that stuff |
| 05:44.21 | Lulia | I don't look at GetEclipseDirection until after P_E_W |
| 05:45.45 | fictive | if you reloadui and you don't pew, though, your stat will be wrong |
| 05:46.18 | Lulia | I use a different one for reload |
| 05:46.20 | fictive | or am I totally mistaken? hehe, I'm just a beginner after all |
| 05:46.25 | Lulia | I think it's PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 05:46.40 | mckenziemc | lebqzz: |
| 05:46.41 | mckenziemc | lua> for k,v in pairs( { 3, 2, 1, } ) do print(k,v) end |
| 05:46.41 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 1, 3, 2, 2, 3, 1 |
| 05:47.15 | mckenziemc | output shoulda been three sets of two but lua_bot condensed it |
| 05:50.00 | Kraps | MOAR HOTFIXES http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1232869 |
| 05:50.19 | Arrowmaster | lua> pp( { 3, 2, 1, } ) |
| 05:50.19 | Kraps | "The range of the heal on Atonement has been increased to 15 yards." i like |
| 05:50.20 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: { 3, 2, 1 } (#1) |
| 05:51.34 | Kraps | New Player Tips: Welcome to the Machine http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1734676 |
| 05:51.43 | Kraps | should be Matrix |
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| 05:52.26 | mckenziemc | !api pp |
| 05:52.26 | lua_bot | Found 40 possible matches for 'pp'. Please be more specific |
| 05:54.55 | LebQzz | mckenziemc nizzle thanks |
| 05:55.15 | LebQzz | got a supider problem |
| 05:55.26 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 05:55.37 | LebQzz | 2 sec bio then i explain |
| 05:56.03 | mckenziemc | you can read my mind? that's creepy |
| 05:57.01 | Adys | I can read your mind mckenziemc |
| 05:57.40 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/145123/okay-you-guys-are-full-of-it |
| 05:57.45 | Adys | you're thinking "It'd be so creepy if he could read my mind right now thank god he can't" |
| 05:57.46 | Kraps | Adys: ! |
| 05:57.54 | Kraps | long time no see! |
| 05:58.09 | Adys | yeah, must have been at least 2 hours |
| 05:58.24 | mckenziemc | no i'm thinking about how good emptying my bladder felt : / |
| 05:58.43 | Adys | mckenziemc just admitted to peeing under his desk. Who still wants to help him |
| 05:59.11 | Kraps | two whole hours... i'm getting a bit teary |
| 06:00.51 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 06:01.33 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 06:01.48 | mckenziemc | "Several shirts have been corrected so they no longer cause a player's item level to increase. They are item level 1." <- rofl |
| 06:01.58 | LebQzz | LOL |
| 06:02.22 | Adys | impressive. |
| 06:03.12 | LebQzz | my mod counts the amount repaired through gb. and how much deposited |
| 06:03.26 | LebQzz | the problem is that my mod is account wide. |
| 06:04.11 | LebQzz | and as the GM i need to get the list from minions ;P |
| 06:04.39 | LebQzz | but then i need to make like a unique key at the minions and they have a list of alts they send |
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| 06:04.58 | LebQzz | and reply the amount through the key |
| 06:05.01 | mckenziemc | i don't understand |
| 06:05.17 | LebQzz | well the collector is account wide |
| 06:05.23 | LebQzz | but when sending to the GM its char based |
| 06:06.04 | mckenziemc | ok so this is an addon your guildmembers are supposed to use and the addon sends messages to the GM who maintains a database? |
| 06:06.15 | LebQzz | yes |
| 06:06.35 | LebQzz | on init make a random number ;P |
| 06:06.41 | LebQzz | or something ;P |
| 06:06.43 | mckenziemc | math.random |
| 06:06.48 | LebQzz | as unique key |
| 06:06.52 | fictive | make a hash of their char name? |
| 06:07.06 | mckenziemc | i assume you're not worried about some kind of cryptographically secure keys :p |
| 06:07.19 | LebQzz | nop |
| 06:07.28 | LebQzz | just worried about double entrys ;P |
| 06:08.22 | LebQzz | any way to make the random make a number between 1-100000 |
| 06:08.37 | foreplay | man o man could i use some buttons lol |
| 06:08.46 | foreplay | these default ones look like craaap |
| 06:08.55 | LebQzz | ;P |
| 06:09.35 | mckenziemc | !api math.random |
| 06:09.35 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'math.random' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-math.random |
| 06:09.59 | mckenziemc | lua> math.random(1, 100000) |
| 06:10.00 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 33542 |
| 06:10.08 | LebQzz | comma ;P |
| 06:11.14 | Lulia | lua> print(math.random(1,6)) print(math.random(1,6)) |
| 06:11.14 | lua_bot | Lulia: 6, 1 |
| 06:11.18 | Lulia | Boo |
| 06:11.34 | mckenziemc | if you just want to avoid double entries, couldn't you just have the GM pick an unused number? |
| 06:13.16 | mckenziemc | function Addon:AddMember(id, mainCharacter) members[id] = mainCharacter end; function Addon:GetNewID() return #members + 1 end |
| 06:13.36 | mckenziemc | on the "server" side |
| 06:13.52 | LebQzz | well then i have to be online when they first log in then |
| 06:14.53 | mckenziemc | don't you have to be online for them to send data? |
| 06:14.59 | Lulia | lua> print(math.random(1,6)) print(math.random(1,6)) |
| 06:14.59 | lua_bot | Lulia: 3, 3 |
| 06:15.04 | Lulia | Woo, snake eyes |
| 06:15.06 | LebQzz | yes |
| 06:15.21 | LebQzz | that part i have made ;P |
| 06:15.38 | mckenziemc | they don't need to know their "member id" till they sync |
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| 06:16.05 | Sintacks | anyone know the syntax for sending something to mSBT ... |
| 06:16.47 | mckenziemc | no but i know it's hardcoded into LibSink-2.0 |
| 06:17.10 | Sintacks | ? |
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| 06:21.42 | mckenziemc | ie. you could check how ls does it |
| 06:21.50 | mckenziemc | @project libsink-2-0 |
| 06:21.51 | Repo | mckenziemc: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsink-2-0/. LibSink-2.0. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 65 days ago. Tickets: 1/7 |
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| 06:31.02 | Amarande | what is this Steam Pools zone? |
| 06:31.23 | Amarande | it's considered a separate zone, south of Feralas, worth an unusual amount of discovery xp compared to nearby stuff, and seems ... entirely devoid of any mobs or nodes or anything |
| 06:31.25 | Lulia | You can get a rare mount there apparently |
| 06:31.33 | Amarande | Lulia: from? |
| 06:31.54 | Amarande | It also doesn't appear to have a zone map, when I hit M I get the Kalimdor map. |
| 06:31.54 | karl_w_w | you find mysterious camel statues in uldum |
| 06:31.54 | Lulia | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/50245/dormus-the-camel-hoarder/ |
| 06:32.01 | Lulia | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/63046/reins-of-the-grey-riding-camel/ |
| 06:32.28 | Amarande | But it appears as a subzone when you mouse over it in Feralas. |
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| 06:35.21 | foreplay | Anyone here that can help me find how to change a buttons text color, i've searched google for 2 days and i can't find anything on that issue |
| 06:35.59 | mckenziemc | did you try UI escape codes? |
| 06:36.04 | mckenziemc | idk if it would work or not |
| 06:37.29 | Lulia | You can use color codes yeah |
| 06:38.17 | foreplay | ohhh |
| 06:38.18 | foreplay | ok |
| 06:38.21 | foreplay | nice thanks a ton |
| 06:38.39 | foreplay | i was searching for the wrong thing i guess, I didnt know UI escape codes lol |
| 06:39.01 | Lulia | You should be able to do it with font functions too, I suppose. *shrugs* |
| 06:40.32 | foreplay | are the color codes the same as like html ? |
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| 06:40.53 | mckenziemc | no |
| 06:41.00 | Lulia | |cAARRGGBB |
| 06:41.12 | mckenziemc | try putting |cffffff00 at the start of the button's text |
| 06:41.19 | Lulia | |cFFFFFFFF would be 100% opacity white |
| 06:41.20 | mckenziemc | inside the quotes |
| 06:42.56 | foreplay | yeah i figured that part out after you guys pointed me in the right direction |
| 06:42.57 | foreplay | \o/ |
| 06:43.50 | foreplay | what should i read up on to find out how to choose the exact esxcape code for the color i want |
| 06:44.19 | Lulia | http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/hex-to-rgb/color-converter.php |
| 06:44.37 | foreplay | awesome thanks |
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| 06:47.28 | foreplay | wait that doesnt covert the color to a format useable by |c |
| 06:47.29 | foreplay | lol |
| 06:47.29 | Shirik | Here's a fun topic |
| 06:47.33 | Shirik | Best meta gem for priests |
| 06:47.33 | Shirik | go |
| 06:47.35 | foreplay | convert* |
| 06:47.45 | mckenziemc1 | none |
| 06:47.51 | Shirik | I chose the 54 intellect 2% mana one |
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| 06:48.37 | mckenziemc1 | google "html color codes" and use the hex values |
| 06:48.47 | mckenziemc1 | you'll still have to convert it mentally |
| 06:48.51 | bluspacecow | "The search radius to find an Archaeology node from the Archaeology ability Survey has been increased. This will result in fewer searches needed while in the "green" range of surveying." |
| 06:48.52 | bluspacecow | yaya |
| 06:49.11 | mckenziemc1 | but i think they're in the same order so you just have to add "|cff |
| 06:49.13 | mckenziemc1 | " |
| 06:50.14 | mckenziemc1 | actually, there may be addons that will let you look at different colors in-game and get the color code |
| 06:50.51 | foreplay | Thanks alot man lol |
| 06:51.02 | foreplay | I would have never figured that bit out on my own :s |
| 06:51.19 | mckenziemc1 | which reminds me i need to pick a new default color for one of my addons >< |
| 06:51.41 | mckenziemc1 | are you familiar with hexadecimal? |
| 06:54.00 | Amarande | Shirik: stick to LK meta gems till New Year's or so unless you're really doing hardcore stuff or you're totally flush with cash |
| 06:54.05 | Amarande | Cata meta gems are stupid expensive right now |
| 06:56.23 | Fisker | Amarande |
| 06:57.01 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 06:57.02 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 06:57.50 | Amarande | Fisker: last time I checked the AH it was like 2.5k for a meta |
| 06:58.03 | Amarande | given that I'm still at the point of 333 gear that's not quite suited to my main spec ... |
| 07:07.24 | Fisker | metas are like 300g here |
| 07:07.34 | Fisker | they're bugged for melee dps though |
| 07:07.40 | Fisker | well not bugged |
| 07:07.42 | Fisker | but worthless |
| 07:07.45 | Fisker | until they change it |
| 07:08.50 | bluspacecow | make more 85's. level more professions :D |
| 07:10.42 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 07:10.50 | bluspacecow | yes? |
| 07:11.13 | nebula169 | don't even need 85s, my two jcs are still 80 and making me rich |
| 07:11.19 | Fisker | hello bluspacecow |
| 07:11.47 | bluspacecow | hi! |
| 07:15.51 | foreplay | I would be like a total noob in Cataclysm |
| 07:15.54 | foreplay | -.- |
| 07:18.06 | Fisker | i once killed a guy bluspacecow |
| 07:18.13 | bluspacecow | noice ! |
| 07:18.51 | airtonix_ | tape recorders can't kill people fisker |
| 07:19.10 | airtonix_ | not without being implemented by someone |
| 07:19.47 | bluspacecow | yes they can |
| 07:19.51 | bluspacecow | i can bash in your head with one |
| 07:20.00 | airtonix_ | clearly you are just the product of a dipping birds mispent youth |
| 07:20.11 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 07:20.14 | bluspacecow | original ! |
| 07:20.27 | airtonix_ | and as such\ |
| 07:20.34 | airtonix_ | i can not grant you asylum |
| 07:21.10 | Kraps | this is an awesome, offensive video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o&feature= |
| 07:21.11 | Fisker | i just updated my intel storage drivers |
| 07:21.14 | Fisker | your points are invalid |
| 07:21.43 | airtonix_ | Your face is invalid |
| 07:22.02 | airtonix_ | also |
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| 07:31.03 | airtonix | ~ping |
| 07:31.03 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:31.15 | mckenziemc | ~ps3 |
| 07:31.15 | purl | It's called the PS3 because you turn 3 pi radians and walk away. |
| 07:31.56 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 07:31.59 | Fisker | why are you a jerk? |
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| 07:33.49 | mckenziemc | purl, do you love me? |
| 07:33.50 | purl | yes, I love me. |
| 07:33.50 | airtonix | contracts don't fulfill themselves |
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| 07:34.11 | mckenziemc | purl, why do you love me? |
| 07:34.11 | purl | why not? |
| 07:34.17 | bluspacecow | purl, do you love Fisker? |
| 07:34.17 | purl | yes, I love Fisker. |
| 07:34.44 | Shirik | Um, /clearfocus [modifier:shift][target=focus,dead][target=focus,noexists] |
| 07:34.47 | mckenziemc | purl, i hate you |
| 07:34.48 | purl | You hate you? |
| 07:34.50 | Shirik | what the heck is [target=focus,noexists] for? |
| 07:35.50 | airtonix | target if not targeted the focus? |
| 07:36.09 | airtonix | rather |
| 07:36.23 | airtonix | only target the focus if not already targeting |
| 07:36.23 | Shirik | It's saying to clear your focus if you don't have a focus |
| 07:36.26 | Shirik | which is meaningless |
| 07:36.27 | mckenziemc | clear focus if not focus-exists |
| 07:36.55 | bluspacecow | www.macroexplain.com shirik |
| 07:37.10 | mckenziemc | it won't work as a target command, because the slash is /clearfocus |
| 07:37.12 | mckenziemc | iirc |
| 07:37.18 | Shirik | I don't need someone to tell me what it says bluspacecow |
| 07:37.19 | Shirik | I can read it |
| 07:37.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:37.29 | Shirik | I need someone to tell me why the heck you would clear your focus if you don't have one |
| 07:37.31 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 07:37.35 | Fisker | did you lol'd? |
| 07:37.46 | bluspacecow | its redudant ? |
| 07:37.54 | mckenziemc | idk, unless it's possible for something to be focused but not satisfy noexist |
| 07:39.26 | mckenziemc | testing |
| 07:39.30 | mckenziemc | ~macro |
| 07:39.39 | Shirik | Here's a better question |
| 07:39.42 | Jerub | "purchasing 333 - 359 iLevel items from reputation quartermasters." |
| 07:39.46 | Shirik | It's immediately followed by /focus [target=focus,noexists] |
| 07:39.47 | Jerub | wait, what? what rep do i need? |
| 07:40.10 | mckenziemc | where did you find this macro? |
| 07:40.13 | Shirik | there's a lot of rep quartermasters Jerub |
| 07:40.16 | Shirik | mckenziemc: Friend of mine |
| 07:40.23 | Shirik | whom I assume found it elsewhere |
| 07:40.51 | Shirik | #showtooltip [target=focus,harm] [] Hex |
| 07:40.52 | Jerub | Shirik: which ones provide me epic gears!@?$#! |
| 07:40.55 | Shirik | Can just be #showtooltip Hex |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | yes? |
| 07:40.58 | Shirik | Jerub: All of them |
| 07:41.15 | Jerub | Shirik: including bilgewater/org/thunderbluff? |
| 07:41.19 | Jerub | or only new cata factions? |
| 07:41.36 | mckenziemc | "This determines whether the given unit exists. In other words, if you don't have a target, [exists] will return false. If you have a focus, [target=focus, exists] would be true" from wowwiki (because even though i used wowpedia in the query, that's what google listed first) |
| 07:42.10 | mckenziemc | so those last two parts do nothing, unless wowwiki is mistaken |
| 07:42.15 | Shirik | Jerub: Cata factions |
| 07:42.45 | mckenziemc | yeah shirik, same #showtooltip |
| 07:43.35 | mckenziemc | 'if you can harm the target or true, show hex' >< |
| 07:44.11 | bluspacecow | http://lesbianswholooklikejustinbieber.tumblr.com/ |
| 07:44.46 | airtonix | is that your site? |
| 07:45.09 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 07:45.11 | unfo- | bluspacecow, hahahahahhah :D |
| 07:45.16 | airtonix | ok |
| 07:47.25 | mckenziemc | ~pong |
| 07:47.25 | purl | ~ping |
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| 08:04.04 | waffley | Hi there |
| 08:04.20 | waffley | I recently picked up TukUI and have been wondering how he manged to keep the memory usage so low |
| 08:05.26 | airtonix | with magnets |
| 08:05.48 | airtonix | it holds down the encephlobots |
| 08:09.09 | bluspacecow | ^^ |
| 08:09.30 | bluspacecow | does it have any fancy config screens ? |
| 08:09.49 | waffley | no |
| 08:09.56 | bluspacecow | there. |
| 08:10.06 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 08:10.23 | bluspacecow | thats was classic yeah airtonix |
| 08:10.51 | airtonix | yourslippingtothedarkside |
| 08:11.04 | bluspacecow | but they has cookies ! |
| 08:11.09 | airtonix | i willcorruptyourpurity |
| 08:11.40 | bluspacecow | oh! |
| 08:11.43 | bluspacecow | oh my ! |
| 08:13.37 | waffley | got any tips on how i can start making my own |
| 08:13.57 | LebQzz | how to split a string into more variables? |
| 08:14.07 | LebQzz | with an identifier |
| 08:14.14 | bluspacecow | @waffley start small |
| 08:14.29 | bluspacecow | find an existing addon that does some of what you want to do and loo at its code |
| 08:14.38 | bluspacecow | wowprogramming.com is a good resource |
| 08:14.43 | bluspacecow | as well as teh book they put out |
| 08:14.57 | waffley | bluspacecow: i know how to program |
| 08:14.59 | bluspacecow | *look at its code lolz |
| 08:15.01 | waffley | i just don't know hwere to start here |
| 08:15.10 | bluspacecow | like i said above |
| 08:16.32 | bluspacecow | having programming experience is a plus but its pretty much looking at addon code to see what it does and using the resources on the net to help :) |
| 08:17.12 | clever | it would help greatly if we had an app similar to wow (but much more light weight) to dev under |
| 08:17.32 | clever | something that just renders the frames and has an interface to fire fake events off for some basic testing |
| 08:17.48 | bluspacecow | isn't there some lua tools to use ? |
| 08:18.01 | bluspacecow | yeah they've been asking for that for a long time. |
| 08:18.08 | clever | i know i can run bare lua code on my system, but that doesnt do GUI the same way |
| 08:18.25 | clever | the most i can do is test the mechanics of the helper functions and lib |
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| 08:19.57 | Slaren | you can use wowlua for quick tests in game without having to reloadui all the time |
| 08:20.21 | clever | that still requires having 25gig of free space and 1-2gig of ram |
| 08:20.32 | clever | cant test things out on a crappy system in your off time |
| 08:20.42 | Slaren | ah, true |
| 08:20.59 | clever | and in my case, i cant login between midnight and 6:30 am |
| 08:21.03 | clever | so i cant do anything |
| 08:22.06 | bluspacecow | why not ? |
| 08:22.12 | clever | parental controls |
| 08:22.33 | crazedfred | :( |
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| 08:26.19 | mckenziemc | LebQzz: what kind of string are you trying to split? |
| 08:27.37 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:28.01 | mckenziemc | "(%w+)@([%w.]+)" would be a simplistic (but technically insufficient) string to grab the parts of an email address |
| 08:28.23 | mckenziemc | as an example (and you'd use string.match usually) |
| 08:28.24 | crazedfred | Are CHAT_MSG_ADDON events (and events in general) fired in a single-threaded manner? That is, if I register for the CHAT_MSG)ADDON event, do I know exactly one instance of that function is running at any given time? |
| 08:28.42 | mckenziemc | lua is single-threaded |
| 08:28.47 | LebQzz | 131385432138*-132153 |
| 08:28.53 | LebQzz | i need to split it at * |
| 08:29.02 | bluspacecow | *skillfully dodges* |
| 08:29.14 | mckenziemc | dump the * and grab the - too? |
| 08:29.18 | crazedfred | mckenziemc: thanks, that makes life a lot easier then :) |
| 08:29.24 | LebQzz | - is part of the last number |
| 08:29.25 | LebQzz | ;P |
| 08:29.28 | LebQzz | so just the * |
| 08:29.49 | clever | crazedfred: i believe lua runs in the same thread as the 3d rendering, so if any lua is running, the UI is completely frozen |
| 08:29.55 | LebQzz | split doesnt seem to work |
| 08:30.01 | crazedfred | clever: isn't that lovely then, wow >< |
| 08:30.21 | mckenziemc | local first, second = string.match("(%d+)*([-%d]+)" |
| 08:30.24 | mckenziemc | ) |
| 08:30.26 | crazedfred | clever: I wonder why they wouldn't have a thread for UI, addons or not |
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| 08:30.32 | clever | thats why its best to do what you need to quickly and return back to the main event loop |
| 08:30.47 | clever | crazedfred: part of it might be the onUpdate event, which has to fire for every frame |
| 08:30.47 | mckenziemc | woops, i fail: string.match(input, <thatstring>) |
| 08:30.58 | crazedfred | clever: I see |
| 08:31.13 | LebQzz | input is the format right |
| 08:31.14 | krka | concurrency is hard, when you're using shared resources |
| 08:31.14 | crazedfred | clever: do addons register for that event often? |
| 08:31.17 | krka | such as all the ui objects |
| 08:31.22 | crazedfred | krka: indeed |
| 08:31.32 | clever | crazedfred: depends on the addon |
| 08:31.43 | mckenziemc | 'input' would be whatever the variable you're storing the string in is called |
| 08:32.14 | Slaren | most addons need to run more often than just when some event fires |
| 08:32.17 | mckenziemc | out of curiosity, i did check recently -- OnUpdate time is exclusive of video rendering |
| 08:32.20 | LebQzz | then its <input>, <format> ;P |
| 08:32.25 | LebQzz | not <that text> |
| 08:32.31 | Slaren | even if they don't intend to be updated every frame, they still use OnUpdate for that |
| 08:32.44 | mckenziemc | i think i didn't make it clear which part i was correcting |
| 08:32.53 | clever | my addon uses onupdate to check your location and redraw some map type stuff |
| 08:33.01 | crazedfred | aaah makes sense |
| 08:33.04 | clever | though i really should be comparing the location and leaving it alone if you didnt move |
| 08:33.09 | crazedfred | as opposed to updating every N milliseconds or something? |
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| 08:33.22 | clever | crazedfred: not sure wow's lua has timers at all |
| 08:33.39 | Slaren | it doesn't, timers are implemented using OnUpdate |
| 08:33.40 | mckenziemc | if your string is stored in the variable 'input', this is the line you could use: |
| 08:33.40 | mckenziemc | local first, second = string.match(input, "(%d+)*([-%d]+)") |
| 08:33.41 | crazedfred | clever: maybe use onUpdate to check timestamps? |
| 08:33.51 | mckenziemc | yeah OnUpdate is how it's done |
| 08:33.53 | clever | crazedfred: yeah thats what Slaren just said |
| 08:33.56 | mckenziemc | AceTimer does that |
| 08:34.04 | crazedfred | clever: <--- completely new to addons, take random thoughts w/ grain of salt |
| 08:34.15 | clever | i was thinking the same thing |
| 08:34.34 | crazedfred | k |
| 08:34.45 | LebQzz | best advice i can give. is to never give up |
| 08:34.48 | bluspacecow | bai bai fisker darling |
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| 08:34.59 | mckenziemc | you -can- actually get the current time with GetTime(), with millisecond precision, but in order to 'wait' for a certain time you'd have to freeze up the client: no good |
| 08:35.07 | clever | crazedfred: it also reminds me of how the linux kernel manages its timers |
| 08:35.29 | crazedfred | clever: looks like you/we'd want AceTimer http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-timer-3-0/ |
| 08:35.32 | clever | the kernel has an IRQ fire 1000 times per second, and checks a list of timers |
| 08:35.39 | crazedfred | ye |
| 08:35.41 | clever | and to save cpu time, it keeps several buckets of timers |
| 08:35.46 | LebQzz | wow 1000 pr second? |
| 08:35.46 | clever | depending on how far away they are |
| 08:35.53 | clever | LebQzz: depends on the setting of HZ |
| 08:36.04 | mckenziemc | clever: that's basically how every OS does it |
| 08:36.05 | crazedfred | does that tie into the "tickless kernal" at all? |
| 08:36.11 | crazedfred | they were working on some change for laptops |
| 08:36.23 | crazedfred | *kernel |
| 08:36.32 | clever | crazedfred: tickless kernel is where it turns that IRQ off and then does nothing at all when idle |
| 08:36.41 | crazedfred | ic |
| 08:37.23 | clever | when the system is 'idle' it would normaly still be taking up 1000 times per second to check on things like timers |
| 08:37.25 | mckenziemc | come to think of it... if you had to increase your FSB speed in order to overclock your comp, wouldn't that speed up the timer/clock? |
| 08:37.33 | mckenziemc | oh nvm i guess that's done through bios |
| 08:37.45 | clever | the HZ stuff in linux goes thru the real time clock |
| 08:39.36 | clever | i'm guessing tickless idle will calculate the next earlyer timer to fire and then set an IRQ for then, instead of every 1000 times per sec |
| 08:39.48 | clever | havent gotten around to reading that part of the source |
| 08:40.38 | mckenziemc | that seems odd because you'd still have to receive the ticks to determine when it was time to wake |
| 08:40.48 | mckenziemc | unless there's an extra "layer" inserted |
| 08:40.54 | clever | i think you would alter the tick rate in the RTC module |
| 08:41.01 | clever | so the main cpu doesnt wake up until its time |
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| 08:41.11 | mckenziemc | that's possible? |
| 08:41.28 | crazedfred | why have 1000 IRQ events a second if the alternative is possible anyway |
| 08:41.32 | clever | you can already configure it anywhere form 100hz to 1000hz at compile time |
| 08:41.42 | crazedfred | wouldn't it be way better for processor power management to only fire such events when needed? |
| 08:41.46 | clever | 100hz would mean less time-slicing when doing multiple processes |
| 08:42.21 | clever | if your running 1000 programs (or threads) on a single core, 1000hz would give every one an even share, while 100hz would only switch between 100 of them |
| 08:42.52 | clever | those 100 would get a larger share each, and the other 900 would loose out and wait longer |
| 08:43.08 | mckenziemc | crazedfred: "when needed" necessitates an component actively testing |
| 08:43.16 | clever | the setting of HZ effects sharing the cpu time and the acuracy of all timers |
| 08:43.23 | crazedfred | mckenziemc: i see |
| 08:43.44 | clever | if you just set it to 100hz, then every timer will also suffer from 100hz acuracy |
| 08:44.08 | mckenziemc | rtc = realtime clock? |
| 08:44.14 | clever | yeah |
| 08:44.26 | mckenziemc | which is part of the bios yes? |
| 08:44.40 | clever | part of the motherboard i believe |
| 08:44.43 | Slaren | not really, it is just a chip |
| 08:44.51 | mckenziemc | i don't understand what you meant by 'anywhere from 100hz to 1000hz at compile time' |
| 08:44.53 | clever | sometimes part of its battery backed ram holds the bios config |
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| 08:45.11 | clever | mckenziemc: for linux, its an option where you can just enter any number in that range |
| 08:45.21 | mckenziemc | 'at compile time' |
| 08:45.27 | mckenziemc | specifically |
| 08:45.32 | clever | when compiling the whole kernel |
| 08:46.03 | mckenziemc | then there's an extra layer somewhere in there |
| 08:46.12 | clever | alot of the code will do (1/HZ)*0.5 to get a half second delay, which the compiler would then optimize to just 500 |
| 08:46.36 | clever | because the compiler optimizes it down to just 500, theres no cpu cost to do that math |
| 08:46.53 | clever | but it will break if HZ changes at all |
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| 08:47.37 | mckenziemc | because either a) you're changing an option through the BIOS or low-level access (something i know almost nothing about) or 2) there's a software layer in the kernal that still receives these 1000 ticks per second, but counts them up and -then- decides if it should pass the tick to a higher lever |
| 08:47.52 | mckenziemc | i'm just guessing here, don't know much about kernals or hardware |
| 08:47.57 | clever | the kernel will setup the RTC to send the right number of ticks/second at bootup |
| 08:48.31 | mckenziemc | ah, didn't know that was possible |
| 08:49.30 | airtonix | http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38328 |
| 08:49.36 | mckenziemc | and that doesn't mess up the system clock? |
| 08:49.50 | clever | mckenziemc: i believe its a feature in the RTC that was meant to be used like that |
| 08:49.54 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Stamp_Counter |
| 08:49.55 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 08:50.20 | clever | one of the more interesting things is how the kernel handles context switching |
| 08:50.38 | clever | Kalroth: that looks to be something slightly different |
| 08:50.43 | airtonix | Fisker, http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38719 |
| 08:51.10 | Kalroth | clever: Yeah, it's a proper timer (assuming that is what you're discussing :) |
| 08:51.21 | airtonix | YES! real time settler for new vegas |
| 08:51.35 | clever | Kalroth: it looks to be more of a timer locked to the cpu core freq, seperate from the RTC timer IRQ's |
| 08:52.23 | mckenziemc | is it possible to bind the left and right tilt on my scrollwheel to something in wow? |
| 08:52.34 | clever | Kalroth: that one would be to get acuracy beyond what the HZ setting allows |
| 08:53.04 | Fisker | All of this discussion could've been replaced by a single "Install Windows" |
| 08:53.13 | Kalroth | Yeah, it's used for high precision timing |
| 08:53.31 | mckenziemc | sends Fisker to the Recycle Bin. |
| 08:53.39 | clever | Fisker: windows doesnt give you control over it, so either it works, or your screwed |
| 08:53.41 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Precision_Event_Timer too I guess |
| 08:53.42 | mckenziemc | dang, forgot to hold shift |
| 08:54.28 | Fisker | or maybe it just works clever |
| 08:54.38 | mckenziemc | it doesn't |
| 08:54.43 | Slaren | rdtsc was way more useful before proccesors started to become dual cored and to change their frequency all the time |
| 08:54.46 | mckenziemc | work |
| 08:54.46 | LebQzz | mckenziemc |
| 08:54.58 | airtonix | windows is the holy grail of computers |
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| 08:54.59 | LebQzz | arg2 = "666 * 0" |
| 08:55.01 | clever | Fisker: in the case of my d600 laptop, the ethernet card is toast and not responding properly on the PCI bus |
| 08:55.03 | LebQzz | adds spaces for some reason |
| 08:55.06 | clever | linux doesnt even notice a problem |
| 08:55.13 | clever | windows bluescreens on bootup |
| 08:55.16 | LebQzz | local unique, money = string.match(arg2, "(%d+) * ([-%d]+)") does not find it amusing ;P |
| 08:55.17 | clever | fix that! :P |
| 08:55.22 | airtonix | maybe you just fail at worshipping windows |
| 08:55.46 | Fisker | how am i worshipping windows? |
| 08:55.49 | airtonix | you are aware you need to bath your motherboard in blood first ? |
| 08:55.58 | LebQzz | windows bluescreens are MS way of 404 shutdown ;P |
| 08:56.12 | airtonix | you face is a suspend button |
| 08:56.44 | mckenziemc | ocal first, second = string.match(input, "(%d+)[%s%*]*([-%d]+)") is a quick solution |
| 08:56.50 | LebQzz | airtonix. I'm actually amuse by that while imagining all the times i've left my friends pc's while it fucked up lol and i facepalmed |
| 08:56.57 | mckenziemc | may not be the best though, idk what exactly you're doing |
| 08:57.00 | clever | mckenziemc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_Interval_Timer#IBM_PC_compatible |
| 08:57.00 | Kalroth | Fisker doesn't worship Windows, it's just that he doesn't know anything else |
| 08:57.20 | airtonix | i make him bow to his god |
| 08:57.29 | airtonix | KISS THE GROUND PEASANT! |
| 08:57.34 | airtonix | DOOOO EEET! |
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| 08:58.28 | airtonix | http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38049 |
| 08:58.32 | airtonix | fisker ^ |
| 08:58.36 | airtonix | :) |
| 08:59.34 | Fisker | i do Kalroth |
| 08:59.47 | airtonix | get a mac brah |
| 08:59.52 | Fisker | lolmac |
| 08:59.53 | Kalroth | do nut |
| 09:00.08 | clever | mac's are unix based, but still closed source |
| 09:00.09 | airtonix | then you can play steam |
| 09:01.11 | Arrowmaster | clever: i thought all linux kernels for the past few years were tickless |
| 09:01.25 | aualin | Mac is like having all the advantages of Unix everyone REALLY care about, but with Steam |
| 09:01.31 | airtonix | unfortunatly your dog isn't |
| 09:01.32 | clever | Arrowmaster: its just an option, its all up to the distro builder to pick what options are enabled |
| 09:01.43 | mckenziemc | and having all the awfulness that everyone hates, too |
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| 09:02.02 | Kalroth | Mac is like paying too much for old hardware, being limited to one mouse button and 7 games on Steam |
| 09:02.09 | airtonix | Fisker, where would you build a fort in the wasteland ? |
| 09:02.49 | airtonix | im thinking between the fiends sector and the red canyon |
| 09:02.55 | aualin | You are paying for a mac? What the... |
| 09:03.08 | airtonix | aualin, steals his macs |
| 09:03.15 | airtonix | yup yup |
| 09:04.05 | airtonix | man fallout addon developers are terribad at distribution |
| 09:04.32 | clever | Arrowmaster: in the case of gentoo, nothing is pre-compiled, so i have even more control over it all |
| 09:04.47 | LebQzz | PPUI_chars[first]= { arg4 = 1 } <-- how do i get it to get the string from var4 than typing "var4" |
| 09:04.53 | LebQzz | arg4** |
| 09:04.57 | aualin | http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&q=hackintosh |
| 09:05.28 | airtonix | aualin, you lost fisker at 1. google.com |
| 09:06.04 | mckenziemc | { [arg4] = 1 } |
| 09:06.16 | mckenziemc | the value stored in arg4 will be used as the key |
| 09:06.39 | LebQzz | ye |
| 09:06.44 | aualin | Gentoo is like having control, as an excuse to not get stuff done |
| 09:06.45 | LebQzz | tried that and that worked ;P |
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| 09:07.00 | mckenziemc | if you've got that kind of hardware, why would you even -want- to install a mac os on it? O.o |
| 09:07.13 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 09:07.27 | zid | Anyone know if it's possible to create a frame through a macro? I tried, IsVisible returns 1, but I don't see anything, so either I have a methodology bug or you just can't, and I don't know which |
| 09:07.37 | LebQzz | now it just overwrites whats in the [first] doesnt add a new one. hmm |
| 09:08.14 | mckenziemc | you can, zid, but you have to put a texture or something on it |
| 09:08.34 | zid | Right, thanks, I don't think I have enough characters left though :P |
| 09:08.40 | mckenziemc | you were probably using a frame with no graphical part, so it was working as intended :p |
| 09:08.44 | mckenziemc | probably not |
| 09:08.56 | zid | I figured text would show even if the frame itself were transparent |
| 09:09.06 | zid | guess I need a valid something-or-other to render onto |
| 09:09.14 | clever | zid: dont forget to set the fonts up |
| 09:09.21 | mckenziemc | nah, i think you'd need to make a button or semething like that |
| 09:09.22 | clever | if you dont, text will be invisible:P |
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| 09:09.41 | zid | Is there an online editor for addons? I've written real ones before, and constantly restarting wow was annoying |
| 09:09.48 | zid | doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to write |
| 09:09.55 | aualin | Huh? |
| 09:10.01 | clever | zid: i think you want the wowlua addon |
| 09:10.02 | krka | restarting?? |
| 09:10.03 | Arrowmaster | its impossible to write |
| 09:10.04 | zid | An addon that spawns other addons at runtime |
| 09:10.07 | krka | just reload the ui |
| 09:10.13 | krka | /script ReloadUI() |
| 09:10.16 | mckenziemc | don't have to restart wow, just /reload |
| 09:10.22 | zid | Even for XML changes? |
| 09:10.24 | mckenziemc | or /rl if you have Ace3 enabled |
| 09:10.28 | mckenziemc | no not for xml |
| 09:10.35 | krka | only thing it doesn't handle is new files, i think |
| 09:10.38 | mckenziemc | only works for lua files |
| 09:10.43 | aualin | XML makes me weep |
| 09:10.48 | krka | sure about the xml? |
| 09:10.48 | Arrowmaster | it works for xml, but nobody uses xml |
| 09:10.52 | krka | i could swear it works for xml as well |
| 09:10.54 | zid | It's fine just to do it dynamically right? |
| 09:11.01 | Slaren | it doesn't work for the .toc however |
| 09:11.02 | zid | krka: It might now, last time I wrote an addonw as 2.x |
| 09:11.17 | zid | So yea, I'm fine to make all my frames dynamically and ignore xml? |
| 09:11.19 | mckenziemc | hmm, i'll have to check out xml then, thought it didn't |
| 09:11.25 | foxlit | It always worked for everything but adding brand-new files or toc metadata. |
| 09:11.29 | krka | last time i wrote a proper addon was like 5 years ago :/ |
| 09:11.31 | foxlit | If you thought otherwise, you're delusional. |
| 09:11.54 | aualin | There are some ridiculously big xml files included in the ui download |
| 09:12.01 | mckenziemc | maybe it's because i usually use xml only for listing lua files, in which case the 'new file' thing takes effect |
| 09:12.14 | mckenziemc | foxlit, you're the author of oPie right? |
| 09:12.19 | foxlit | yes. |
| 09:12.24 | zid | Do we happen to know if the wow client parses out xml faster than it does lua, re making lots of frames? |
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| 09:13.00 | clever | i have a feeling that frames and textures are tied directly to 'real' textures in the GPU |
| 09:13.16 | mckenziemc | i've been passively looking for you for a while :p did you make the edit to wowwiki's SetItemRef page a few months ago? about hooking one of the chatframe functions instead of SetItemRef to avoid taint |
| 09:13.17 | clever | and that all the drawing api is just proxyd over to the video hardware/drivers |
| 09:13.19 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 09:13.19 | airtonix | the only advantage to using xml is if you modularise the sections out into separate xml files, but i don't think wow xml parser supports <include/> |
| 09:13.21 | zid | so I guess the overhead of lua vs xml loaded frames makes no odds? |
| 09:13.23 | aualin | I bet loading in the huge xml file is gonna take longer than parsing, compiling and running Lua code |
| 09:14.04 | aualin | Just because my harddrive is slow, and xml is overly verbose |
| 09:14.27 | foxlit | You shouldn't make blind bets. |
| 09:14.35 | clever | aualin: ive noticed that the harddrive being slow has a MUCH MUCH bigger impact on shutdown |
| 09:14.40 | mckenziemc | aualin: eh idk, i'd think xml would be simpler to parse |
| 09:14.45 | clever | as it saves all the saved variables |
| 09:14.51 | zid | So yea, no addon that can do essentially, a fragmented reloadUI for just certain addons? |
| 09:14.56 | Slaren | with lua you can always delay the creation of the frames until they are needed |
| 09:15.05 | airtonix | zid, no |
| 09:15.08 | Slaren | i mean, if you care that much about load times anyway |
| 09:15.27 | zid | Slaren: i'd rather it be up-front and faster at runtime, XML provides that over lua, in theory |
| 09:15.34 | mckenziemc | the delay on logout isn't from saving the variables to disk, it's from WoW concatenating a bunch of strings in memory as it iterates over the tables |
| 09:15.57 | clever | mckenziemc: when i store the game on a windows file share, it takes 20-100 times longer to shutdown |
| 09:16.07 | krka | really? i thought that would have been optimized |
| 09:16.08 | zid | parsing out the XML should be slower, but it should 'execute' (forgive me) faster once it has been |
| 09:16.12 | clever | and i can clearly see the saved variable files updating one every 10-30 seconds |
| 09:16.16 | airtonix | clever, when i play wow via a 3g connection it never loads |
| 09:16.27 | airtonix | maybe i should share samba over 3g |
| 09:16.31 | airtonix | shouldn't |
| 09:16.32 | clever | airtonix: it doesnt have the same problem loading |
| 09:16.35 | clever | only shuting down |
| 09:16.43 | clever | the network isnt even at 5% load |
| 09:16.48 | airtonix | did i mention im in orbit around pluto? |
| 09:16.54 | zid | Is there a tool for finding out the global names for blizzard's frames, or do you just source dive? |
| 09:17.03 | clever | the round-trip times are having an effect, but it shouldnt be so major |
| 09:17.19 | mckenziemc | clever: maybe that's the delay of serializing each file /shrug |
| 09:17.22 | airtonix | jupiter creates crazy ghosting |
| 09:17.28 | Slaren | the /framestack command may work for you |
| 09:17.41 | zid | actually, if it's anything like NFS, a latent link will RUIN your throughput |
| 09:17.43 | mckenziemc | idk if wow writes each file asap or if it caches them till it's done |
| 09:17.44 | Slaren | otherwise it's looking at the code |
| 09:17.59 | clever | zid: nfs runs way better then smbfs |
| 09:18.09 | zid | clever: thanks for that comment? |
| 09:18.12 | airtonix | inotify /game/wow/wtf/* -R |
| 09:18.13 | zid | Slaren: perfect |
| 09:18.15 | airtonix | nothing |
| 09:18.16 | clever | if i run the game on nfs over 100mbit, i have no trouble |
| 09:18.22 | zid | clever: LATENCY |
| 09:18.25 | clever | if i run it on windows with an smbfs server on linux, its horid |
| 09:18.31 | airtonix | clever, yes but we both know acls create overhead |
| 09:18.32 | clever | same network, same latency |
| 09:18.35 | zid | Please read what I'm actually saying :/ |
| 09:18.39 | airtonix | no |
| 09:18.57 | clever | only changes wouldl be the protocol and daemon/client for the protocol |
| 09:19.00 | zid | NFS's design is such that latency harms it in severe ways |
| 09:19.13 | aualin | Does WoW support precompiling Lua? |
| 09:19.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:19.20 | zid | it does acks every 32kB, if you have 200ms you can essentially only do 32kB per 200ms maximum |
| 09:19.24 | Slaren | i would agree that smb must be doing something incredibly retarded if the latency affects it that much though |
| 09:19.27 | aualin | :( |
| 09:19.48 | clever | zid: 0.2ms pings |
| 09:19.49 | Xyphoid | so this woman was telling her kids that the eclipse was caused by the sun moving in front of the moon |
| 09:19.50 | airtonix | zid, if you have more than 10ms latency on a local network then you have bigger problems than nfs not working |
| 09:19.52 | zid | Slaren: NFS was never ever designed for high latency links and today's throughputs |
| 09:19.55 | mckenziemc | hey, if it's designed by microsoft, anythings possible |
| 09:19.55 | clever | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.176/0.213/0.269/0.031 ms |
| 09:19.56 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 09:20.18 | mckenziemc | lol xyphoid |
| 09:20.19 | zid | a high throughput high latency link is the complete opposite of what NFS was designed for |
| 09:20.23 | clever | if i use samba on the same LAN with a windlws client, its horid |
| 09:20.45 | airtonix | but you know why |
| 09:20.47 | clever | read is much better then writing the saved variables |
| 09:20.49 | aualin | Sounds like it was designed for my link |
| 09:21.04 | zid | also, ntfs is a horrible filesystem :P |
| 09:21.05 | mckenziemc | also keep in mind that if your link is 100 Mbps, that's slower than a hard drive |
| 09:21.10 | zid | just throwing that one out there |
| 09:21.19 | airtonix | last resort |
| 09:21.25 | airtonix | bag of tricks is empty |
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| 09:21.30 | airtonix | so |
| 09:21.32 | zid | is in love with /framestack |
| 09:21.33 | clever | zid: i believe it was xfs on the drive |
| 09:21.34 | airtonix | LOLUMAD! |
| 09:21.58 | Arrowmaster | 100Mbps is a large magnitude slower than a harddrive |
| 09:22.06 | airtonix | thankyou |
| 09:22.10 | clever | Arrowmaster: let me check this hdd |
| 09:22.13 | mckenziemc | dependes on your harddrive |
| 09:22.19 | mckenziemc | it's about 1/3 of mine |
| 09:22.19 | airtonix | and your face |
| 09:22.23 | zid | I get about 500Mbps write speeds |
| 09:22.26 | Arrowmaster | 1/3rd? |
| 09:22.29 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 09:22.31 | mckenziemc | non-raid / few years old |
| 09:22.39 | Arrowmaster | your drive is fucking slow |
| 09:22.45 | mckenziemc | i'm talking actual xfer speed, not troughput |
| 09:22.45 | zid | IDE HDDs are like 100Mbps write speed |
| 09:23.06 | mckenziemc | not link throughput* |
| 09:23.06 | clever | odd, 62% cpu usage just dd'ing the drive into null |
| 09:23.25 | mckenziemc | you can get a sata 3Gbps drive but theres' no way you're using all that |
| 09:23.28 | airtonix | get a macbrah |
| 09:23.36 | zid | clever: Ouch. libata or not? |
| 09:23.47 | clever | pci sata controler |
| 09:23.51 | clever | 400mhz P2 |
| 09:23.52 | zid | mckenziemc: I read 3Gb/s from cache just fine |
| 09:24.00 | Arrowmaster | i can get 600MB/s read speeds and 80MB/s write speeds |
| 09:24.03 | zid | clever: Are you using libata? |
| 09:24.11 | clever | zid: not sure, stock ubuntu kernel |
| 09:24.19 | airtonix | clever, hide now |
| 09:24.20 | clever | the libata module is loaded |
| 09:24.21 | zid | I don't know a thing about ubuntu |
| 09:24.27 | Arrowmaster | you put ubuntu on a 400mhz p2? |
| 09:24.33 | aualin | So how fast is reading from the L1 cache? |
| 09:24.33 | zid | I run gentoo, shrug :P |
| 09:24.33 | clever | sata_via appears to be the driver module |
| 09:24.42 | zid | aualin: order of GB/s |
| 09:24.44 | clever | i have gentoo on 2 of my newer installs |
| 09:24.50 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, i once put your face on a p4 |
| 09:24.51 | clever | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 09:24.54 | mckenziemc | l1 runs at core speed iirc |
| 09:25.02 | aualin | Sounds fancy |
| 09:25.32 | clever | ive been meaning to update the 400mhz to gentoo but havent gotten around to it |
| 09:25.44 | airtonix | Fisker, now i just need martins mutant mod and i will have a zombie war |
| 09:25.45 | zid | L1 = eating a sandwich, L2 = making and eating a sandwich with sliced bread and cheese slices, L3 = making and eating a sandwich with fresh bread and cheese, RAM = buying a sandwich from a shop on foot, HDD = growing some corn |
| 09:25.46 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 09:25.48 | clever | and its odd that dd still isnt done, i only punched in 10mb |
| 09:25.49 | zid | I love that anaology btw :) |
| 09:25.55 | zid | analogy* |
| 09:26.00 | Arrowmaster | youll spend more time compiling than doing anything with it |
| 09:26.20 | zid | I wish my updates took longer on gentoo, I miss them taking hours |
| 09:26.26 | zid | I can compile a kernel in 2 minutes :( |
| 09:26.34 | airtonix | zid, give me ssh i can arrange that |
| 09:26.36 | clever | damn |
| 09:27.10 | clever | zid: let me find an image i had |
| 09:27.19 | clever | zid: http://ircz.de/p/ae8413127ba06c02a8709fe09459bafdca638942 |
| 09:27.21 | airtonix | hands ssh@zid.net to Fisker |
| 09:27.32 | clever | its a graph of how fast each cache is and the hdd |
| 09:28.07 | Slaren | that graph needs to be updated for ssds XD |
| 09:28.20 | Sintacks | @mckenziemc: I found a API.html file in mSBT folder... i should have looked there first. it tells you how to use what i was looking for |
| 09:28.30 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 09:28.32 | clever | my current gentoo install, is a squashfs image held in ram |
| 09:28.37 | Arrowmaster | Slaren: i doubt it would be much different |
| 09:28.48 | airtonix | clever, sounds sexy |
| 09:29.06 | clever | airtonix: i loose about 1gig of ram to that, WOW takes 2+gig |
| 09:29.06 | Sintacks | MikSBT.DisplayMessage(message [, scrollArea, isSticky, colorR, colorG, colorB, fontSize, fontName, outlineIndex, texturePath]) |
| 09:29.09 | Sintacks | my mind exploded |
| 09:29.19 | clever | swap is a must if i run wow and my main firefox session |
| 09:29.22 | clever | atleast 2gig of swap |
| 09:29.34 | karl_w_w | why would you grow corn to make a sandwich? |
| 09:29.38 | airtonix | clever, you know that the ubunu live usb uses a filesystem that eats towards full? aufs? |
| 09:30.01 | clever | airtonix: i'm using aufs2 to patch the ro squashfs together with a tmpfs |
| 09:30.15 | clever | then i tar the tmpfs up on shutdown and unpack it at the next bootup |
| 09:30.20 | airtonix | how do you avoid the situation that it gradually fills up |
| 09:30.21 | Sintacks | if the default is "ChatFrame3:AddMessage()" i would replace that with the MikSBT...() bit right? |
| 09:30.39 | clever | airtonix: the tmpfs has no real size limits, its not a proper file system like ubuntu uses |
| 09:30.47 | karl_w_w | I mean I know americans like their corn, but I didn't realise they'd found a way to make bread out of it |
| 09:31.01 | mckenziemc | sintacks: if you're only using one arg, yeah |
| 09:31.06 | Arrowmaster | tmpfs is limited by your ram and swap |
| 09:31.07 | clever | airtonix: the ubuntu cd is using a filesystem image on the usb stick, which means the stick must remain in and it still has size limits |
| 09:31.22 | mckenziemc | cornbread..... |
| 09:31.25 | clever | the bigest problem with my current setup, is that i'm not storing the r/w half right |
| 09:31.30 | airtonix | clever, no when you create a liveusb with persistance. |
| 09:31.32 | karl_w_w | regular bread :P |
| 09:31.35 | clever | so any files that are deleted, magicaly come back |
| 09:31.39 | airtonix | clever, casper-rw |
| 09:31.49 | clever | airtonix: custom initrd that does something similar to casper |
| 09:31.56 | clever | but without needing the drive to be connected 24/7 |
| 09:32.11 | clever | once its booted, i can take the boot stick out and put it in my pocket |
| 09:32.33 | clever | i'm even booting a 2nd laptop from it now, 2 similar root images |
| 09:33.27 | airtonix | sometimes i forget that im on a live usb ssh session and hit apt-get upgrade |
| 09:33.28 | airtonix | :( |
| 09:33.47 | airtonix | doesn't like the kernel being changed |
| 09:34.00 | clever | i can update the kernel and even recompile the entire system |
| 09:34.24 | clever | damn, dd is still running |
| 09:34.35 | airtonix | so is your makeup |
| 09:34.47 | clever | i'm pretty sure i entered 10mb |
| 09:35.23 | aualin | http://closure-library.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/closure/goog/demos/dialog.html |
| 09:35.25 | Arrowmaster | did you set a block size? |
| 09:35.32 | clever | 5754306560 bytes (5.8 GB) copied, 772.551 s, 7.4 MB/s |
| 09:35.35 | aualin | Google does some nice dmos |
| 09:35.38 | aualin | demos* |
| 09:35.41 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:35.41 | clever | dd if=/dev/media/1tb of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=$((1024*1024*10)) |
| 09:35.53 | clever | seems it didnt take the count or bs |
| 09:36.09 | airtonix | thats 10gb |
| 09:36.11 | airtonix | brah |
| 09:36.13 | clever | lol |
| 09:36.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 09:36.28 | airtonix | count is times bs |
| 09:36.30 | Arrowmaster | its count * bs |
| 09:36.32 | clever | its easy to get it off by one or 2 *1024's :P |
| 09:36.50 | clever | i know that |
| 09:36.58 | clever | i just didnt bother counting them all and totaling it up |
| 09:37.07 | clever | and you can see its nowhere near 100mbit thruput |
| 09:37.51 | clever | and its not all cpu time either, only ~50% of the time was in cpu |
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| 09:38.55 | clever | reading 200mb took 24 seconds, 12 of those in kernel, 0.2 in userspace |
| 09:38.56 | Arrowmaster | umm 7.4 MB/s is about 100mbit |
| 09:39.03 | clever | 8.4MB/s |
| 09:39.04 | airtonix | 74mbit |
| 09:39.16 | clever | i also dont trust the sizes from dd exactly |
| 09:39.23 | clever | 1024*1024*200 == 210MB?? |
| 09:39.29 | Slaren | was that in the p2 400mhz? 50% cpu usage for a dd seems like an awful lot |
| 09:39.32 | clever | it seems to be using 1000 |
| 09:39.40 | clever | Slaren: yeah, 50% usage in the kernel side |
| 09:39.53 | aualin | Möh möh |
| 09:40.22 | clever | its ubuntu 8.04, havent gotten around to updating it in ages |
| 09:40.38 | Arrowmaster | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 3.07699 s, 349 MB/s |
| 09:40.41 | mckenziemc | ugh, i bookmark wikipedia pages faster than i can read & remove them >< |
| 09:40.56 | clever | mckenziemc: i dont even bookmark, i leave the tabs open |
| 09:41.04 | clever | firefox now needs over 1gig of ram to resume all those tabs |
| 09:41.22 | mckenziemc | my computer would not be able to run with that many tabs |
| 09:41.35 | clever | even this one is starting to struggle |
| 09:41.41 | clever | 3gig ram, core2duo, 1.8ghz |
| 09:41.47 | mckenziemc | i think i still have >2000 wikipedia bookmarks --- AFTER removing duplicates |
| 09:42.02 | Fisker | you're so awesome mckenziemc |
| 09:42.07 | clever | i bookmark after reading the articles, for most posts |
| 09:42.08 | Fisker | will you marry me and carry my babies? |
| 09:42.14 | clever | not wikipedia but another site |
| 09:42.19 | krka | who bookmarks wikipedia entries? it's not like wikipedia is hard to search |
| 09:42.32 | clever | its a blog type site |
| 09:42.33 | airtonix | fisker does |
| 09:42.37 | mckenziemc | because it's not stuff i specifically want to search for |
| 09:42.44 | aualin | I don't bookmark anything, if i can't remember it, then it wasn't awesome enough |
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| 09:43.00 | mckenziemc | i google one thing, read the article, and open any links that look like they might be interesting |
| 09:43.07 | clever | airtonix: my memory is horid:P |
| 09:43.10 | mckenziemc | before you know i have 50 tabs open |
| 09:43.11 | clever | aualin: oops |
| 09:43.25 | clever | mckenziemc: repeat that every day and you have what i have:P |
| 09:43.54 | clever | some of it is http://hackaday.com/2010/12/19/this-fire-extinguisher-serves-frothy-beverages/ |
| 09:44.00 | zid | what's the interface version I should be using atm, 403xx I'd think? |
| 09:44.03 | clever | some is http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/12/17/raid-rx-reality-check-for-heroic-healing-fri/ |
| 09:44.36 | zid | 40000 says GetBuildInfo, strange |
| 09:45.01 | mckenziemc | see, i started a wikipedia session recently while looking for Dvorak stuff, ended up reading about the Alt-Gr key, and just a few days ago, somebody had a wow issue that was caused by the key |
| 09:45.15 | mckenziemc | not the kind of thing i would've searched for :p |
| 09:45.32 | clever | dont make me start reading that too! :P |
| 09:45.50 | clever | ive recently begun using the new panorama thing in firefox 4, and now ive managed to get it down to 1 window |
| 09:46.02 | clever | but the number of tabs in that is just increasing daily |
| 09:46.29 | mckenziemc | yeah use 40000 |
| 09:46.51 | mckenziemc | i'm guessing blizz only changes it if something significant actually changes in the api |
| 09:47.05 | zid | yea, I guess we'll see a bump to 403xx when the API changes next |
| 09:47.27 | Arrowmaster | unlikely |
| 09:47.34 | Arrowmaster | it will be higher than that |
| 09:48.12 | Arrowmaster | er actually lower than that |
| 09:48.25 | zid | Right, tard question incoming, can I get away with not having an XML file at all, and if so, what's my entry point |
| 09:48.34 | Arrowmaster | 4.1.0 would be 40100 |
| 09:48.46 | clever | zid: all lua files you name in the toc will be evaulated |
| 09:48.57 | zid | clever: So just leave something in global scope? |
| 09:49.00 | clever | any code outside a function will get ran on startup |
| 09:49.13 | clever | though some may run before saved variables are restored |
| 09:49.37 | clever | the usual practice is to make the frame and register the event handlers, then wait for ADDON_LOADED and stuff |
| 09:49.40 | zid | Is there a default frame name, I could wait for its onload |
| 09:49.54 | mckenziemc | zid: your .toc tells wow which file to load. you can just list MyAddon.lua in there |
| 09:49.59 | Arrowmaster | just dump stuff into a lua file and it gets run |
| 09:50.01 | zid | I see other addons define the main frame in the XML, and wait for that frame's onload |
| 09:50.10 | Arrowmaster | its not like C where everything has to be inside a function |
| 09:50.10 | zid | mckenziemc: I never had that concern. |
| 09:50.12 | mckenziemc | that's one way to do it |
| 09:50.17 | zid | Arrowmaster: or that one |
| 09:50.46 | Arrowmaster | @project train-whistle |
| 09:50.47 | Repo | Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/addons/train-whistle/. TrainWhistle. Game: WoW. Arrowmaster (Manager/Author). Updated: 105 days ago |
| 09:50.59 | zid | lol |
| 09:51.01 | Arrowmaster | look at what that does |
| 09:51.15 | zid | Arrowmaster: clever already answered me a while back |
| 09:51.41 | mckenziemc | you can always use Ace3's OnInitialize. ace calls that at the same time you'd get the OnLoad on your frame |
| 09:51.53 | mckenziemc | lol arrowmaster |
| 09:52.13 | Arrowmaster | OnLoad is called when the frame is created |
| 09:52.22 | zid | I know. |
| 09:52.33 | mckenziemc | which is on ADDON_LOADED, for stuff defined in xml |
| 09:52.55 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/12/nasa-captures-stunning-images-side-moon/ |
| 09:53.06 | zid | That guy still exists? :/ |
| 09:53.14 | zid | I thought he went into hiding after selling out on C4 |
| 09:54.17 | Fisker | yeah your mom sold out |
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| 10:00.45 | aualin | Fisker, your humor is amazingly witty |
| 10:00.51 | mckenziemc | why use debugstack use the grave accent to open a string: [C]: in function `LoadAddOn' |
| 10:01.06 | mckenziemc | i noticed the custom errors in LibStub's code do the same |
| 10:02.22 | mckenziemc | why does* |
| 10:02.45 | mckenziemc | Fisker. Cage. Now. |
| 10:03.11 | Fisker | also amazingly original aualin |
| 10:03.17 | Fisker | but thank you for your praises |
| 10:05.09 | airtonix | mckenziemc, dont bother with cages. just put peanut butter on the dogs out side and push him out the door |
| 10:05.52 | airtonix | he'll be there all night |
| 10:07.11 | aualin | Stealing peanut butter? |
| 10:07.33 | airtonix | oh you prude |
| 10:13.53 | Adys | Hmm |
| 10:14.01 | airtonix | hello |
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| 10:14.04 | airtonix | darling |
| 10:14.12 | Adys | frost mages: thinking of getting rid of piercing chill and putting both points in frostfire orb instead. thoughts? |
| 10:14.54 | Fisker | haha what |
| 10:15.15 | Fisker | For some reason the orange box has sold more than the valve complete pack |
| 10:16.36 | Fisker | weird |
| 10:16.41 | Fisker | valve complete pack isn't 24.99 anymore |
| 10:16.42 | Fisker | :O |
| 10:16.43 | Adys | you're weird |
| 10:17.07 | mckenziemc | hypothetical question: if i have some function f(x) that could return any number of arguments, possibly ending with nils, if i want to store the number of returns in a variable, and if i want to pass those same returns out of the function without cutting off or adding nils, what options do i have? |
| 10:17.07 | Adys | Ye see, the climate out here combined with the lack o' air pressure makes me fingers expand. They're like gigantic Thelsamar Blood Sausages, they are... |
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| 10:17.19 | Kalroth | Fisker is weird |
| 10:17.23 | zid | mckenziemc: return the count as the first value |
| 10:17.24 | Kalroth | also Steam suxxx |
| 10:17.28 | zid | or a format string |
| 10:17.30 | airtonix | fiskers mum is still 24.99 though |
| 10:17.38 | zid | see: varargs |
| 10:17.50 | mckenziemc | lets say i don't have control over the definition of f(x) |
| 10:18.11 | mckenziemc | this is based on a situation i actually encountered in an addon i abandoned : |
| 10:18.13 | mckenziemc | :p * |
| 10:18.50 | mckenziemc | varargs are for arguments though, not returns |
| 10:19.08 | zid | It'd depend if lua can do something like set an array from a return |
| 10:19.11 | zid | which I don't know |
| 10:19.35 | zid | and then let you find their length |
| 10:19.46 | Adys | mckenziemc: look at the ... syntax |
| 10:19.49 | Adys | brb |
| 10:20.17 | mckenziemc | select("#", func()) would only return the # but waste the actual args, right? |
| 10:20.42 | Cide | waste is a bit of an overstatement |
| 10:20.43 | mckenziemc | ... is for args from the caller, not returns from the callee |
| 10:21.04 | Adys | er yeah sorry |
| 10:21.06 | Adys | misread the q |
| 10:21.41 | mckenziemc | i -think- there's only one way to do it and i'm intentionally avoiding hinting in that direction, in case there's actually another way |
| 10:22.38 | Cide | what's the question again? |
| 10:22.38 | mckenziemc | zid: braces around a function call will collect the args into a table, but that doesn't work because nils on the end will be dropped |
| 10:22.57 | krka | no they wont |
| 10:22.57 | mckenziemc | "if i have some function f(x) that could return any number of arguments, possibly ending with nils, if i want to store the number of returns in a variable, and if i want to pass those same returns out of the function without cutting off or adding nils, what options do i have?" |
| 10:23.18 | krka | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-01/msg01427.html |
| 10:23.24 | Cide | you wrap it as a function call |
| 10:23.34 | Cide | function collectArgs(...) do stuff end; collectArgs(f(x)) |
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| 10:24.02 | mckenziemc | krka: they will but -- they get put in, but a key wth a nil value associated is automatically considered non-existent |
| 10:24.22 | Cide | they get stored |
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| 10:24.30 | Cide | since you have an array part |
| 10:24.41 | Cide | well, I dunno |
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| 10:24.51 | krka | that's why you store the .n as well |
| 10:25.15 | Cide | or use the wrapper function depending on your requirements |
| 10:25.49 | mckenziemc | lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; a = {f}; #a |
| 10:25.50 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 10:26.13 | Cide | do you even know lua? |
| 10:26.16 | mckenziemc | lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; a = {f}; table.len(a) |
| 10:26.16 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'len' (a nil value) |
| 10:26.36 | Cide | do you even know lua? |
| 10:26.51 | Cide | lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; a = {f()}; print(#a) |
| 10:26.52 | mckenziemc | krka, i don't have control over the definition of f(x) |
| 10:26.52 | lua_bot | Cide: 3 |
| 10:26.53 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 10:26.59 | krka | lua> function pack(...) return {n = select("#", ...), ... } end function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; a = pack(f()); print(a.n) |
| 10:26.59 | lua_bot | krka: 5 |
| 10:27.04 | Cide | ^ |
| 10:27.26 | Cide | or just use pack() to do what you want instead of using a table |
| 10:27.43 | mckenziemc | yeah, the tail-call-wrapper is the solution i was thinking of |
| 10:27.58 | krka | i like tail recursive stuff too for this |
| 10:28.11 | krka | unless it's really long argument lists |
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| 10:28.12 | mckenziemc | Cide: i was avoiding using print with lua_bot because it seems to work without it sometimes |
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| 10:28.26 | mckenziemc | it's not recursive |
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| 10:28.29 | Cide | it does, if the code evaluates to an expression |
| 10:28.31 | Cide | lua> 5 |
| 10:28.32 | lua_bot | Cide: 5 |
| 10:28.36 | Cide | lua> x=5+5; |
| 10:28.36 | lua_bot | Cide: No output |
| 10:28.45 | krka | lua> x=5+5; 5 |
| 10:28.45 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5' |
| 10:28.59 | mckenziemc | ^ that's what happened to mine |
| 10:29.03 | Cide | you can either use print() or return for code that is not an expression |
| 10:29.08 | mckenziemc | doesn't seem to work with multiline |
| 10:29.23 | Cide | (x=5+5; 5) is not an expression, hence it does not work |
| 10:29.32 | clever | lua> x=5+5; 15; |
| 10:29.33 | lua_bot | clever: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '15' |
| 10:29.36 | Cide | ... |
| 10:29.46 | Cide | that was pretty anticlever |
| 10:29.56 | mckenziemc | it's two expressions, sorta -- i was thinking C style |
| 10:30.03 | Cide | it is two statements |
| 10:30.03 | clever | i dont use ; very often |
| 10:30.10 | Cide | one expression |
| 10:30.13 | mckenziemc | expecting it to just use the last piece for the return |
| 10:30.17 | Cide | the composition is not an expression |
| 10:30.21 | Cide | it's quite simple |
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| 10:30.42 | mckenziemc | it's possible for an expression to be inside of an expression |
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| 10:31.20 | Cide | it's not possible to have an expression that contains a statement |
| 10:31.34 | Cide | try "function f() return <code>; end f()", if it fails try "function f() <code>; end f()" |
| 10:31.36 | Arrowmaster | lua> loadstring(("not ").rep(math.random(0,100)).."false")() |
| 10:31.37 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'rep' (number expected, got no value) |
| 10:31.53 | Arrowmaster | lua> loadstring(("not "):rep(math.random(0,100)).."false")() |
| 10:31.53 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 10:32.06 | Cide | fail |
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| 10:32.19 | Arrowmaster | hold on |
| 10:32.36 | Arrowmaster | damnit i would have to use a return |
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| 10:32.47 | Cide | see what you did? |
| 10:32.49 | foreplay | D; |
| 10:32.53 | foreplay | I blame Cide |
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| 10:33.39 | mckenziemc | Cide: this is irrelevant anyway, i only used it all on one line because we're using lua_bot here, in wow i would not do it that way |
| 10:34.08 | Cide | your syntax was wrong despite not knowing you needed return, was my point |
| 10:34.30 | krka | Cide: return 1 + (function() print"hej" return 2 end)() |
| 10:34.35 | krka | statement in expression :) |
| 10:34.38 | Cide | lol |
| 10:34.39 | krka | lua> return 1 + (function() print"hej" return 2 end)() |
| 10:34.39 | lua_bot | krka: hej, 3 |
| 10:34.40 | mckenziemc | my terminology may be wrong, but i was not sure if lua_bot would do it the same way |
| 10:34.44 | Cide | not really though |
| 10:34.53 | mckenziemc | cide, 14+5 is not a valid lua statement |
| 10:34.53 | Cide | the function call is an expression |
| 10:34.58 | mckenziemc | lua> 14+5 |
| 10:34.59 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 19 |
| 10:35.00 | Cide | mckenziemc, it's a valid expression |
| 10:35.03 | mckenziemc | but it works here |
| 10:35.05 | krka | and the function call contains a statement |
| 10:35.12 | Cide | I explained it very carefully, read up |
| 10:35.31 | Cide | krka, that's circumventing my point and quite stretching the definition :P |
| 10:35.55 | Cide | f() is an expression just like (function() print "hej" return 2 end) is |
| 10:35.56 | krka | basically here's the situation: some statements are also expressions, not all expressions are statements, not all statements are expressions |
| 10:36.03 | mckenziemc | like i said, it's irrelevant |
| 10:36.17 | Cide | what's not irrelevant is that your syntax was incorrect despite that error, mckenziemc |
| 10:36.18 | krka | (plain function calls are both expressions and statements) |
| 10:36.42 | mckenziemc | i typed lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; a = {f}; #a not putting () on the f was a mistake, #a was because i thought lua_bot would parse it into pieces and handle them individually |
| 10:36.47 | Cide | (true, but that doesn't make change the fact that expressions don't *contain* statements) |
| 10:36.55 | mckenziemc | which i never said |
| 10:37.16 | Cide | s/make // |
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| 10:39.06 | mckenziemc | if you type /run 14+5 in game, you get an error. if you type lua> 14+5 you get a value. wow and lua_bot don't work the same, you're calling me out on a syntax error (plus a random mistake) but the syntax is different between the two, and i was TESTING it |
| 10:40.26 | mckenziemc | and in the lua terminal the proper syntax is '=14+4' to get a number returned |
| 10:40.33 | Cide | mckenziemc, I'm calling you out on {f} actually, I don't care about the statement thing, I was merely explaining it |
| 10:40.39 | Cide | don't make such a big deal out of it |
| 10:40.57 | mckenziemc | yep, that was a mistake, i forgot the () |
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| 10:42.29 | krka | it's not really different syntax, the bot just tries to prepend "return " to the input, and if that gets a compile error, it tries with just the input |
| 10:42.38 | mckenziemc | "do you even know lua?" after one mistake isn't a very good way to get on a friendly footing anyway. sorry if i misunderstood |
| 10:42.38 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 10:42.54 | Cide | I'm not trying to get on a friendly footing anyway so that's okay :) |
| 10:43.45 | mckenziemc | also, i never got a chance to say |
| 10:43.52 | mckenziemc | lua doesn't implement pack |
| 10:44.04 | Cide | pack as in? |
| 10:44.08 | Cide | which language? |
| 10:44.19 | Cide | or wich function |
| 10:44.27 | Cide | which* |
| 10:44.28 | mckenziemc | a function that would take the arguments and return a table + argCount |
| 10:44.37 | Cide | because |
| 10:44.40 | Cide | lua> _VERSION |
| 10:44.40 | lua_bot | Cide: Lua 5.1 |
| 10:44.42 | mckenziemc | but it's easy to make my own |
| 10:44.47 | Jamash | why would you need that |
| 10:44.54 | mckenziemc | is it in 5.2? |
| 10:45.05 | Cide | yes |
| 10:45.07 | mckenziemc | the hypothetical situation we were talking about earlier >.> |
| 10:45.09 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 10:45.40 | cbreak | function (...) return {...}, select("#", ...) end |
| 10:45.43 | cbreak | tadda... |
| 10:45.52 | Cide | that's not 5.2 pack |
| 10:45.55 | mckenziemc | never reaches select |
| 10:46.01 | Cide | sure it does? |
| 10:46.03 | cbreak | no, that's simple pack |
| 10:46.14 | krka | it's easy to define pack though, see the link i posted |
| 10:46.17 | mckenziemc | woops misread |
| 10:46.26 | Jamash | I mean, doesn't "t,c = pack(stuff)" equal "t = {stuff}; c=#t"? |
| 10:46.35 | Cide | nope |
| 10:47.10 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.12 | krka | Jamash: trailing nils |
| 10:47.13 | cbreak | Jamash: no, the pack I wrote above returns the number of arguments |
| 10:47.17 | Cide | #t is defined as "a value for which t[#t] != nil and t[#t+1] == nil" (simplified) |
| 10:47.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; t={f()}; return unpack(t) |
| 10:47.49 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 2, 3 |
| 10:47.51 | mckenziemc | and if 'stuff' is a function you can't just check it twice because the function may have side effects |
| 10:48.01 | Jamash | if you're relying on the existence of trailin nils you're doing something wrong |
| 10:48.13 | mckenziemc | Jamash; wrapper function |
| 10:48.13 | Cide | doesn't matter |
| 10:48.17 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end; return unpack({f()}) |
| 10:48.17 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 2, 3 |
| 10:48.20 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 10:48.34 | cbreak | you can also use leading nils |
| 10:48.38 | Jamash | also, lua is bad |
| 10:48.49 | krka | lua> return nil, nil |
| 10:48.49 | lua_bot | krka: nil, nil |
| 10:48.58 | Cide | lua> print((function(...) local t = {...}; return t, #t; end)(1, 2, nil, nil, nil, 3, 4)) |
| 10:48.59 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0x9e57768, 7 |
| 10:49.06 | Cide | worked that time |
| 10:49.09 | Cide | but it doesn't have to |
| 10:50.50 | cbreak | mckenziemc: the side effect of functions is irelevant when packing them |
| 10:51.05 | cbreak | because that does not actually execute the functions |
| 10:51.20 | mckenziemc | not with a pack implementation, no |
| 10:51.30 | cbreak | not with mine :) |
| 10:51.36 | mckenziemc | i was referring to why alternatives wouldn't work |
| 10:51.44 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 10:52.02 | mckenziemc | that's the idea i had in mind since teh start :p was wondering if there was any other way |
| 10:52.14 | cbreak | you don't like my way? |
| 10:52.33 | mckenziemc | i like to know all my options |
| 10:52.45 | cbreak | you can use the table constructor directly |
| 10:52.56 | mckenziemc | hmm? |
| 10:53.54 | mckenziemc | {f()} drops trailing nils, if that's what you mean |
| 10:54.07 | cbreak | no |
| 10:54.10 | mckenziemc | i'm tired though so i keep making mistakes >< |
| 10:54.13 | cbreak | I mean, you can use it directly |
| 10:54.31 | cbreak | put the values in you want |
| 10:54.55 | mckenziemc | i want whatever comes out of the function |
| 10:55.15 | mckenziemc | this was for an old, waaaay to farfetched idea i had before |
| 10:55.40 | cbreak | you know what happens if you put a nil into a table? |
| 10:55.49 | Jamash | god kills a fisker |
| 10:55.58 | cbreak | let's all put nils into tables then. |
| 10:56.14 | Jamash | he's like kenny |
| 10:56.49 | mckenziemc | a 'hacky' way to make a class-oriented framework that supported inheritance and private/public, storage/volatile specifiers, by making heavy use of environments and metamethods |
| 10:56.55 | cbreak | mckenziemc: no matter how much you beg and pray, lua tables can't store nils |
| 10:57.02 | mckenziemc | yeah i know |
| 10:57.14 | cbreak | not with pack, not with anything else |
| 10:57.19 | Jamash | sure they can |
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| 10:57.34 | Jamash | lua> t[1]=nil; print(t[1]) |
| 10:57.34 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: attempt to index global 't' (a nil value) |
| 10:57.38 | mckenziemc | because that sets the key to 'undefined', or never set |
| 10:57.50 | Jamash | oh right I forgot how bad lua is |
| 10:58.10 | Jamash | lua> t = {}; t[1]=nil;print(t[1]) |
| 10:58.10 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil |
| 10:58.20 | Jamash | there you go, I have successfully stored and retrieved a nil |
| 10:58.20 | Arrowmaster | lua> unpack({1,2,3,nil,nil,6}) |
| 10:58.21 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1, 2, 3, nil, nil, 6 |
| 10:58.25 | Arrowmaster | i win! |
| 10:58.43 | Jamash | grats |
| 10:58.50 | mckenziemc | cbreak: the idea was that i'd be wrapping class methods; i would have no idea what the other programmer was doing and wanted to avoid putting resttrictions on what they could return, but every time their function returned i'd have to swap some environment stuff |
| 10:59.00 | cbreak | lua> unpack({1,2,3,[10]=6}) |
| 10:59.00 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1, 2, 3 |
| 10:59.09 | Arrowmaster | ha |
| 10:59.10 | cbreak | wicked. |
| 10:59.27 | Jamash | spooky |
| 10:59.47 | mckenziemc | so i'd call theres, pack their returns, do cleanup, then use unpack --- i need that argcount to replicate their returns though in case they ended with nils, and the calling function relied on the arg count |
| 10:59.51 | mckenziemc | theirs* |
| 11:00.17 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: use safecall from CBH |
| 11:00.25 | Arrowmaster | it accounts for trailing nils |
| 11:01.25 | krka | pack and unpack is not enough? |
| 11:02.20 | mckenziemc | well pack's not in 5.1 :p |
| 11:02.37 | krka | ... |
| 11:02.39 | mckenziemc | it's a simple implemenation, but knowing all options can be useful sometimes |
| 11:02.43 | krka | you've seen a million copies here |
| 11:02.50 | krka | it's a half liner |
| 11:02.55 | krka | there are no options |
| 11:03.12 | krka | do or do not, there is no try! |
| 11:04.25 | mckenziemc | yeah, i had that solution in mind before i even asked the question, but sometimes there are other options -- even if they are worse for a particular usecase, there may be other situations where the alternates actually work better |
| 11:06.30 | mckenziemc | lua> = 1+1 |
| 11:06.30 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 2 |
| 11:08.13 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f(...) return function() return ... end end; z=f(function() return 1, 2, 3, nil, nil end); return z() |
| 11:08.13 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: cannot use '...' outside a vararg function near '...' |
| 11:09.00 | Arrowmaster | thats a strange error |
| 11:09.03 | krka | not really |
| 11:09.16 | krka | ... cant be used as an upvalue |
| 11:09.39 | Arrowmaster | i just mean the wording of the error is strange |
| 11:10.26 | krka | the last "near ..." is always appended to syntax errors |
| 11:10.37 | krka | cannot use ... outside a vararg function is pretty clear |
| 11:11.15 | krka | i guess "outside" is a bit unclear |
| 11:11.24 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 11:11.26 | Arrowmaster | right but you can work around that |
| 11:11.49 | Arrowmaster | using something like the closure constructor in CBH |
| 11:12.35 | airtonix | For those of you who don't know, krkas last job was kidnapping mushroom princesses from Italian plumbers |
| 11:17.58 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 11:21.08 | mckenziemc | Cide: sorry about the confusion earlier, between the two errors, discussion, and testing lua_bot, i had trouble tracking everything |
| 11:21.54 | Cide | I always win |
| 11:21.55 | Cide | eventually |
| 11:22.42 | mckenziemc | i don't know exactly how lua_bot works, i was testing if it used a special way of parsing, by pulling the last statement out and printing the output of that, rather than considering the whole thing as one expression |
| 11:22.44 | mckenziemc | only sorta :p |
| 11:23.12 | Arrowmaster | one expression |
| 11:23.35 | Arrowmaster | because everything is on one line so you cant separate into statements |
| 11:24.44 | mckenziemc | but i've never been familiar with the difference between a statement and an expression, so, genuine question: in C, could 'x=1+1' be considered both a statement and an expression, as it both performs an action (storing value) and returns a value (only in C, not in lua) ? |
| 11:24.50 | Cide | you can, Arrowmaster |
| 11:24.53 | Cide | you just need a tokenizer |
| 11:25.01 | Cide | go krka go! |
| 11:26.41 | mckenziemc | whenever i see a ; my mind goes into C mode D: |
| 11:27.09 | Elkano | hm... any US person with steam an paypal online that would be willing to do me a favour? |
| 11:29.45 | Cide | no I will not purchase erotica online, the new mmorpg, for you |
| 11:30.20 | mckenziemc | are there any solutions available for working with another programmer on a file in realtime? where both people could change code and see the changes, and collaborate at the same time? |
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| 11:30.40 | Cide | google wave |
| 11:30.43 | Cide | but no |
| 11:30.55 | Cide | well |
| 11:30.59 | Cide | it's called pair programming! |
| 11:31.39 | airtonix | or vnc |
| 11:33.17 | Kalroth | extreme programming! |
| 11:33.37 | Kalroth | 1 person types, 1 person dictates, switch after 30-45 mins |
| 11:33.40 | Kalroth | repeat until done |
| 11:34.04 | mckenziemc | Remote pair programming is what i was thinking of :p |
| 11:34.12 | mckenziemc | thanks |
| 11:35.15 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 11:35.37 | mckenziemc | nobody wants to work with fisker |
| 11:35.39 | Fisker | that's not how xtreme programming works at all |
| 11:37.08 | Kalroth | orly |
| 11:47.23 | mckenziemc | so, file locals can be used to speed up access to api functions but.... is there any loss of speed from increasing the number of locals lua has to search through? or from the juggling around it has to do when code execution enters/leaves functions in your file? |
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| 11:51.38 | cbreak | lua does not search through locals |
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| 12:05.16 | mckenziemc | why does 'unpack({1,2,3, nil, nil, 6)' return 6 args, while 'unpack({1,2,3, [6] = 6)' only returns 3? the tables are equal by value, yes? |
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| 12:09.59 | mckenziemc | cbreak: colloquially; even a pointer dereference could fit into a loose definition of 'searching through' |
| 12:10.17 | mckenziemc | because it has to grab an address from a register somewhere. is that how it works? |
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| 12:18.48 | Nobgul | Anyone know if there is maint today? Or has the wow gods smiled upon my day off? |
| 12:18.54 | bluspacecow | US or EU ? |
| 12:18.57 | Nobgul | US |
| 12:19.09 | bluspacecow | restarts |
| 12:19.11 | mckenziemc | ~wowalert |
| 12:19.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 12:19.28 | mckenziemc | nothing for us |
| 12:19.33 | Nobgul | cheers thanks |
| 12:19.41 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1567812912 |
| 12:20.08 | Legorol | mckenziemc: to answer your question about unpack, from the manual: "By default, i is 1 and j is the length of the list, as defined by the length operator (see §2.5.5)." |
| 12:20.10 | bluspacecow | which is still technically a maint. just one they do behind the scenes that doesn't nneed the servers to go down for X hours |
| 12:20.35 | Legorol | the action of the length operator is not strictly defined when you have internal nils (nils breaking up the list) |
| 12:20.37 | Nobgul | Thanks all. |
| 12:21.14 | mckenziemc | that's odd though, because then it should only return 3 in both cases |
| 12:21.27 | Legorol | no, that'd be a strictly defined behaviour |
| 12:21.39 | Legorol | from 2.5.5: "If the array has "holes" (that is, nil values between other non-nil values), then #t can be any of the indices that directly precedes a nil value (that is, it may consider any such nil value as the end of the array)." |
| 12:21.51 | mckenziemc | oh i see |
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| 12:22.09 | mckenziemc | forgot that len could find -any- hole, not just the first |
| 12:22.14 | Legorol | the only guarantee given is that t[#t+1] = nil |
| 12:23.48 | mckenziemc | odd though that using the explicit nils causes the change in behavior though, and consistently |
| 12:24.08 | krka | and that t[#t] ~= nil, unless #t = 0 |
| 12:24.28 | Legorol | ^^ what he said |
| 12:24.30 | krka | what do you mean by consistently? |
| 12:24.38 | krka | and why is consistent behaviour odd? |
| 12:24.52 | Legorol | mckenziemc: that is potentially implementation-dependent behaviour, and you shouldn't rely on it |
| 12:25.00 | mckenziemc | i realize it's incorrect to rely on characteristics of the underlying implementation, but nils are changing the internal storage order |
| 12:25.09 | krka | i know for a fact that kahluas #t behaves differently from regular lua |
| 12:25.16 | krka | but still following the spec |
| 12:25.53 | krka | lua> return #{1, 2, nil, nil, 3, nil} |
| 12:25.53 | lua_bot | krka: 2 |
| 12:25.54 | mckenziemc | krka: because i've never noticed unpack({...}) returning anything but the original list |
| 12:25.58 | krka | lua> return #{1, 2, nil, nil, 3, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil} |
| 12:25.59 | lua_bot | krka: 5 |
| 12:26.10 | Legorol | mckenziemc: well now you have ^^ |
| 12:26.59 | Legorol | lua> return #{1, 2, 3, nil, nil, 6} |
| 12:26.59 | lua_bot | Legorol: 6 |
| 12:27.07 | krka | if for one would not mind if lua split the tables into a list-type and a dictionary type, with the list type behaving more like in java |
| 12:27.26 | krka | (list.add(null); increases the length of the list, unlike in lua) |
| 12:27.40 | Legorol | krka: but can't you just implement that yourself using the current table type? |
| 12:27.52 | Legorol | by adding a length field |
| 12:27.55 | krka | sure |
| 12:28.06 | mckenziemc | are 'dictionary' and 'map' the same idea, or is there some difference |
| 12:28.15 | krka | same |
| 12:32.07 | mckenziemc | now i have to check if i have unpacks anywhere in my code where nils could break it >.> |
| 12:33.00 | krka | nisse always breaks things :/ |
| 12:34.21 | mckenziemc | still doesn't get why table.maxn is deprecated /rant |
| 12:41.22 | krka | is it? |
| 12:41.27 | krka | where do you see that? |
| 12:41.37 | krka | do you mean table.setn? |
| 12:41.51 | mckenziemc | no, maxn |
| 12:42.03 | mckenziemc | doesn't work in my 5.1 terminal, i'll check the docs |
| 12:43.16 | krka | works for me |
| 12:43.59 | krka | it's deprecated in lua 5.2 it seems |
| 12:44.15 | mckenziemc | hmm wait a sec, how'd i get ahold of a 5.2 version of lua O.o i've had this for months but 5.2 is in alpha isnn't it? |
| 12:45.03 | mckenziemc | i can't find anything official though |
| 12:45.32 | krka | it's not out yet |
| 12:45.41 | krka | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaFiveTwo |
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| 12:47.13 | mckenziemc1 | i've always wondered why the exe was called 'lua52.exe' if it was 5.1... but the terminal and file say version 5.2.0, and date modified is 1/19/2010 |
| 12:47.29 | mckenziemc1 | disconnected btw, last line i saw was (4:45:41 AM) krka: http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaFiveTwo |
| 12:47.58 | mckenziemc1 | and print(_VERSION) says Lua 5.2 O.o |
| 12:48.17 | cbreak | the first of which months?! |
| 12:48.37 | cbreak | afaik, there have been a few work releases of 5.2 |
| 12:48.42 | mckenziemc1 | US format, jan 19 |
| 12:48.59 | krka | the first of month 19 obviously |
| 12:49.01 | mckenziemc1 | it says (work2) in the terminal, idk what that means though |
| 12:49.24 | krka | i think that's the month of julyprime |
| 12:49.33 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
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| 13:05.44 | Saint-N | wow |
| 13:05.50 | Saint-N | cog and shirik still here |
| 13:05.57 | Saint-N | and Antiarc |
| 13:06.02 | Saint-N | crazy madness |
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| 13:27.19 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 13:27.42 | Arrowmaster | neither do i |
| 13:31.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sad to admit, boys. |
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| 13:36.41 | fictive | http://i.imgur.com/sH2kv.jpg |
| 13:36.43 | fictive | run for your lives |
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| 13:38.06 | boshi23 | Blizzard's tooltip frame shows the quest info for mobs, i.e. do I need to kill it for any of my quests. Are there any API calls I can use to get this info too ? |
| 13:38.51 | boshi23 | There are calls like GetQuestLogLeaderBoard which get me general info about the quest objectives, but nothing about a specific unit/target. |
| 13:39.13 | boshi23 | How do I find out of a target is part of any of my quests ? |
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| 13:48.20 | cbreak | boshi23: there-s always tooltip parsing as last resort :/ |
| 13:48.30 | boshi23 | yeah :( |
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| 13:54.41 | mckenziemc | does the tooltip use api calls to fill out its text, or just a dump from the server ( + extra addon stuff) |
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| 13:55.15 | cbreak | the tooltip is filled by blizzard's C Side Code |
| 13:55.28 | cbreak | tooltip being GameTooltip |
| 13:55.31 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 13:56.53 | zid | Anyone know a dodge/parry/block calc for 85? |
| 13:57.05 | zid | I wanna know what level mobs I have 100% avoidance against |
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| 14:00.52 | Lulia | wowpedia usually has those values and formulas |
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| 14:01.17 | Cairenn|afk | train |
| 14:01.25 | Lunessa | station. |
| 14:01.32 | Lulia | :) |
| 14:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Chug a chug a vrooooom! |
| 14:02.38 | Lulia | Peppy :) |
| 14:02.43 | mckenziemc | blah, intercepting special cases earlier than they should be ftl |
| 14:02.58 | Cairenn|afk | Blessed Solstice, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:03.01 | mckenziemc | finally figured out what was wrong with my addon |
| 14:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bright blessings to you, Cairenn. *hug* |
| 14:03.21 | Lulia | It's a good feeling, mckenziemc |
| 14:03.40 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn and Lopeppeppy! |
| 14:03.44 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 14:03.48 | Cairenn|afk | hugs everyone |
| 14:04.22 | Kalroth | yaaaay |
| 14:06.00 | bluspacecow | i cut my lip :( |
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| 14:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you for such an enthusiastic hug, bluspacecow, but blood sacrifice isn't necessary for my Yule celebration. :) |
| 14:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-doom. |
| 14:07.46 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 14:08.27 | Lopeppeppy | my "sacrifices" usually involve a lot of quotation marks and eyebrow waggling anyway. |
| 14:08.51 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I thought you were just after a 'yule log'? |
| 14:08.59 | Cairenn|afk | ! |
| 14:09.33 | Lunessa | is only getting coal in his stocking this year... |
| 14:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Dearest, most people don't know how to put a yule log on the fire properly so that it smoulders warmly instead of just lying there and doing nothing. |
| 14:09.50 | fictive | !api power |
| 14:09.51 | lua_bot | Found 23 possible matches for 'power'. Please be more specific |
| 14:10.02 | fictive | !api power gain |
| 14:10.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'power gain'. |
| 14:10.03 | Cairenn|afk | *snark* |
| 14:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | *weg* |
| 14:10.46 | fictive | awes, would think the UNIT_POWER event had the current ammount of power as an argument, but sadly no :| |
| 14:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | I finally figured out the ungodly hour I have to get up tomorrow morning to make my flight to Ohio... 3am. |
| 14:11.01 | Lopeppeppy | dies of the evil of it all. |
| 14:11.21 | mikma_ | fictive: but it's still simple to calculate |
| 14:11.34 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Have a brilliant trip. |
| 14:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa. Second Boyfriend is a good snuggle buddy, and watching football will be tons of shouting fun. |
| 14:12.09 | fictive | mikma: really? |
| 14:13.06 | mikma | fictive: yes. take the old value, save it to local, and get the new value with UNIT_POWER and see the difference |
| 14:13.51 | Fisker | boomstick |
| 14:14.37 | fictive | ah, silly me, didn't think of a api method for that :p |
| 14:14.50 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 14:14.52 | Fisker | please stop me |
| 14:14.54 | fictive | I guess UnitPower("player", "ECLIPSE") will do |
| 14:15.37 | Lulia | Won't work, Fictive |
| 14:15.47 | Lulia | !api UnitPower |
| 14:15.48 | lua_bot | UnitPower: Returns a unit's current level of mana, rage, energy or other power type (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitPower) |
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| 14:16.20 | fictive | isn't that what I'm looking for, though? |
| 14:16.43 | Lulia | Look at the values for the second argument, powerType is a link you can click on |
| 14:17.21 | Lulia | I just use the number 8, though you can apparently also use SPELL_POWER_ECLIPSE |
| 14:17.42 | mckenziemc | you should use SPELL_POWER_ECLIPSE |
| 14:17.58 | mckenziemc | less arbitrary, in case blizz decides to change the values :p |
| 14:18.10 | Lulia | If they change them I change it with them |
| 14:18.20 | Lulia | Though I'm sort of doubting it will be changed drastically. |
| 14:18.32 | Lulia | They're more likely to add at this point |
| 14:18.39 | mckenziemc | eh |
| 14:18.54 | mckenziemc | there's the benefit of self documentation too though /shrug |
| 14:19.20 | Lulia | Too much typing for me :P, I prefer just having the 8 |
| 14:19.33 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 14:20.10 | fictive | mckenziemc: ah, thanks : ) |
| 14:20.18 | mckenziemc | all hail thaoky |
| 14:20.20 | Kraps | kills Fisker |
| 14:20.28 | mckenziemc | hails Thaoky |
| 14:20.29 | Kraps | there, i stopped you |
| 14:21.14 | Lulia | I think my info just got ninjaed :P |
| 14:23.34 | Kraps | azure erinaceomorph |
| 14:26.06 | Kraps | "Realtime Worlds' sophomore effort was like a sophomore's padded bra; all promise and no payoff" |
| 14:26.09 | Fisker | LOL |
| 14:26.12 | Kraps | wow |
| 14:26.18 | Fisker | this is grade a comedy |
| 14:26.19 | Kraps | harsh |
| 14:26.34 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1302974179?page=2#23 <-OLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 14:27.27 | Kraps | "international consumer laws" is that like the cyberpolice Fisker? |
| 14:27.41 | Fisker | he's the judge dredd of international consumer laws Kraps |
| 14:27.43 | Fisker | I AM THE LAW |
| 14:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | Gonna lay it down for me, Fisker? *purr* |
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| 14:31.22 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o&feature= <-can just download this sim instead Lopeppeppy |
| 14:31.22 | bluspacecow | ;;_;; greatest daily eva = theiveing little pluckers |
| 14:31.48 | Fisker | youtube is crazy btw |
| 14:31.57 | Fisker | can't mute or turn down the music on that song |
| 14:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe that's why my boss doesn't let me listen to music at work, huh? |
| 14:33.44 | Fisker | Deathwing the Destroyer returns to Azeroth. Cataclysm Group carry out a routine check There is a serious saturation point in the World of Warcraft ID(s) and it is very difficult for players to creat a role. That we may delete some of the same as role's ID(s) to ensure to get a better gaming experience for players. |
| 14:33.46 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 14:33.51 | Fisker | they're wiping my role...id? |
| 14:34.10 | Ackis | what's a role ID? |
| 14:34.17 | Lopeppeppy | Was that quote in English? |
| 14:34.51 | Ackis | what's a quote in English? |
| 14:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | a bit like a moldy left over candy cane |
| 14:36.13 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:36.20 | Fisker | i didn't know you canadians were batshit insane |
| 14:37.15 | Ackis | What's a batshit insane? |
| 14:37.35 | Lopeppeppy | They can't help it, it's the high incidence of moose bites in Manitoba and Seskatchewan. |
| 14:38.19 | Ackis | http://tinyurl.com/2dbdl92 |
| 14:39.27 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1302974179?page=2#23 <-this Ackis |
| 14:40.21 | Ackis | moran |
| 14:43.47 | Ackis | Fisker: i can has consent? |
| 14:44.46 | Fisker | :o? |
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| 14:45.47 | Fisker | * After Release 261.19, NVIDIA will no longer test and invest in Windows 2000 driver supportâall associated software, drivers, and tools will not support Windows 2000. Windows XP will still be supported. |
| 14:45.49 | Fisker | DUN DUN DUN |
| 14:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, W2K is end of life?? |
| 14:52.43 | Fisker | very |
| 14:55.40 | cbreak | that's like 10 years old |
| 14:55.41 | mckenziemc | Fisker is 'end of life' |
| 14:55.48 | mckenziemc | stabs Fisker. |
| 14:55.56 | Ackis | stab him again |
| 14:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is a zombie, he just gets back up again. |
| 14:56.07 | mckenziemc | stabs Fisker again. |
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| 15:06.00 | Ackis | new cats for Kinectimals!!! /squee http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=273482 |
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| 15:09.50 | Amarande | guh. guess I'm going back to visible action bars for the DK, since they want me to learn to tank too :| |
| 15:10.06 | Amarande | seems like the "no action bars on screen at all" setup works well for a frost mage, but not so much for a DK. |
| 15:11.35 | Amarande | I'm suspecting it's because a frost mage is a mana user who doesn't really cast that many spells during most combats |
| 15:11.50 | Amarande | and I have clique hotkeys for sheep, counterspell, and remove curse. |
| 15:12.15 | Amarande | if I stop being able to cast stuff, it's probably because I'm out of mana, and I can see that on my personal frame |
| 15:12.29 | Amarande | with DKs, you have to have more visible bars to see what the hell exactly is actually available to use. |
| 15:13.13 | fictive | can anyone tell me why oh why the eclipse values are min: 59437 and max: 65425, and not something like -100 to +100 ? :p |
| 15:15.52 | Amarande | It's a mystery to me, too. They don't even mean anything in hex. those are $E82D and $FF91 |
| 15:17.12 | Amarande | I'm still wondering sometimes how WoW comes up with some of the values like monster HP, too |
| 15:17.29 | fictive | well, even if those numbers DID make sense |
| 15:17.45 | fictive | 59437 is the RIGHT hand value, and 65425 is the LEFT hand value, as seen on the bar |
| 15:17.46 | Amarande | they're almost never round numbers, and in fact usually when they try to land ON a round number it goes off by a few, like how VDW has 12000006 HP instead of 12M on the dot |
| 15:18.12 | zid | it's probably a set of multpliers |
| 15:18.33 | Amarande | I have to wonder if they hired folks from Square, given the penchant of Final Fantasy mobs to have weird HP lately too (except FFX, where they were usually round, though, go figure) |
| 15:18.50 | Amarande | zid: seeing as I see mobs with 2718 at one level I wonder if it's ln based somewhere |
| 15:19.07 | mckenziemc | lua> 2^16 |
| 15:19.08 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 65536 |
| 15:19.19 | mckenziemc | lua 2^16-65425 |
| 15:19.28 | zid | mckenziemc: I was wondering that |
| 15:19.30 | mckenziemc | lua 2^16-65425 |
| 15:19.37 | mckenziemc | >< |
| 15:19.42 | zid | lua (2^16)-65425 |
| 15:19.50 | mckenziemc | lua> 2^16-65425 |
| 15:19.51 | lua_bot | mckenziemc: 111 |
| 15:19.56 | zid | 111 |
| 15:19.57 | zid | :D |
| 15:20.00 | fictive | lold |
| 15:20.02 | zid | I googled it faster |
| 15:20.15 | mckenziemc | only cuz i fail at typing :p |
| 15:22.10 | DWSR | Anyone know if there is a way to reverse the bar direction in Shadowed UF? |
| 15:24.30 | fictive | don't think there are any options for that |
| 15:24.51 | DWSR | meh, i need to figure out how to work OpenRDX. |
| 15:25.00 | DWSR | It seems super powerful, but I can't figure it out for the life of me. |
| 15:27.45 | Amarande | Ok, I guess that fade out is probably better than always-hide for action bars ... |
| 15:28.36 | Lopeppeppy | Has OpenRDX been kept updated? Neat. |
| 15:29.08 | Amarande | I still don't know what RDX is, apart from that it's also stuff that Goblin engineers would probably love and snuggle and call George. :) |
| 15:30.30 | Fisker | hey |
| 15:30.32 | nevcairiel | its the raid mod from hell |
| 15:30.37 | nevcairiel | outdated since years |
| 15:31.11 | Amarande | Hmm. Did they make Deathwing only show up in Cata zones? |
| 15:31.18 | Pneumatus | nop |
| 15:31.21 | Amarande | So far I've only ever seen him raze Uldum, and I've never seen him anywhere else. |
| 15:31.41 | Thrae | Amarande: Nah, he flies all around Azeroth killing n00bs who stand in the fire |
| 15:31.50 | nevcairiel | He blasted me in burning steppes once |
| 15:31.58 | Amarande | resets action bars to fade-out, except for the DK, where they'll probably need to be kept fully visible. *sigh* stupid runes. |
| 15:32.11 | Amarande | I'm finding myself falling out of love with DKing this expansion. |
| 15:32.18 | Amarande | Now I can understand why there are so many fewer. |
| 15:32.24 | zid | Will he ever attack org? |
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| 15:32.30 | zid | I might stand a chance of getting it then |
| 15:32.32 | Amarande | zid: no. Capital cities appear to be exempt. |
| 15:32.35 | nevcairiel | probably not citys |
| 15:32.42 | Amarande | also, 1-10 areas, Outland, and Northrend don't seem to get hit from what I've heard |
| 15:32.56 | nevcairiel | Outland is on another planet, and he doesnt fit through the portal |
| 15:33.30 | Thrae | He also doesn't want to go to Outland either :D |
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| 15:33.47 | Thrae | It's already pretty much destroyed anyway |
| 15:34.02 | nevcairiel | Besides, why would he want to destroy zones with no people in them |
| 15:34.23 | nevcairiel | Much better to blast kalimdor and eastern kingdoms, way more people around |
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| 15:40.15 | Kraftman | is there a precompiled list anywhere of spells and spell ranges by class? |
| 15:41.44 | Amarande | this is weird. flew over Hyjal at 65 and there is nothing here |
| 15:41.58 | Amarande | does it stay phased out until you do the actual quests to go there (and thus you can freely fish the schools without fear of mobs?) |
| 15:42.15 | Lulia | No idea |
| 15:42.35 | Lulia | Neltharion has been to Outland |
| 15:43.00 | Lulia | Before the events of BC |
| 15:44.50 | Amarande | I *still* think that if you fall off Outland, it should suddenly, after the point where you die now, cut to you appearing far above XR/Westfall and then falling the rest of your way out of space to your doom. :) |
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| 15:45.15 | Amarande | Possibly with a temporary crater graphic. |
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| 15:48.53 | Lunessa | Amarande: I've 'abused' the phasing in several areas to mine or gather herbs, I don't see why fishing wouldn't work just as well. |
| 15:48.57 | TC | Amarande: meh, that would allow for KKV attacks against horde/alliance targets. |
| 15:49.22 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I find that more often than not, phasing is abusing me to keep me from mining |
| 15:49.56 | Fisker | what a stupid question |
| 15:50.09 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: There are several gathering nodes which are tied to early phases, but not late or final phases. These annoy me greatly and I reported heaps of them in beta. |
| 15:50.12 | Fisker | news article here going "Can the entire planet get a white christmas" |
| 15:50.14 | Fisker | duh |
| 15:50.45 | Amarande | ok, there's some mobs in Hyjal nonetheless. but the eastern part near Darkwhisper and Seat of the Chosen seems empty. |
| 15:50.48 | Lunessa | Fisker: Nah, If the whole planet is covered in snow on the 25th of December, I'm moving to orbit. |
| 15:50.53 | TC-Work | Fisker: obviously whereever they are *is* the entire world |
| 15:50.58 | Amarande | Lunessa: so it is definitely the node being tied to phases, then. |
| 15:51.04 | Amarande | and not what happened to me in Stormpeaks. |
| 15:51.12 | Amarande | although I'm sure THAT happens too |
| 15:51.14 | Lunessa | Amarande: In several cases, yes. |
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| 15:51.29 | Amarande | (node disappears invisibly because people in other phases are picking them up and you can't see them) |
| 15:52.27 | TC-Work | heh, blizz needs to make april fools goggles that let you see all phasing layers at once. |
| 15:52.59 | ChaosInc | That'd be awesome |
| 15:53.08 | Fisker | would actually be nice if they could use phasing to pretty much make it undesirable to use teleport hackers for mining |
| 15:53.17 | Fisker | atleast lowlevel ones anyway |
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| 15:55.12 | ChaosInc | I have yet to see one of those. Only ones I've seen are the floating ones in capitals that spelled stuff. |
| 15:59.01 | Fisker | you never see them :P |
| 16:05.53 | Amarande | TC: heh, Gnomish Engineering maybe? They already have the pervert goggles. :D |
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| 16:21.44 | Lunessa | WoW: Press the Flesh expansion - With Pervert-o-vision! |
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| 16:29.00 | cogwheel | station |
| 16:30.08 | Lunessa | Station, cog|work! |
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| 16:32.16 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:33.39 | Fisker | i just jnwhiteh |
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| 16:49.21 | Fisker | mitch0 |
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| 16:54.40 | Fisker | slaps mitchnull around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:03.48 | mitchnull | what? |
| 17:04.25 | Fisker | i just had sex? |
| 17:04.45 | nevcairiel | with your hand? |
| 17:04.53 | Fisker | maybe |
| 17:05.25 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o |
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| 17:17.30 | cog|work | Lunessa: we've already hit the daily guild xp cap, it would seem... |
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| 17:28.55 | Lunessa | Is the server even up? |
| 17:30.13 | cog|work | rolling restarts |
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| 17:30.18 | cog|work | blizz was smart for christmas break |
| 17:32.04 | nevcairiel | havent head real maintenance since before cata |
| 17:32.09 | nevcairiel | had* |
| 17:32.21 | cog|work | i thought they were down last week |
| 17:32.28 | Fisker | why does jnwhiteh hate me cog|work ? |
| 17:32.31 | nevcairiel | not EU at least |
| 17:32.35 | cog|work | he's smart |
| 17:34.59 | Fisker | i disagree with that cog|work |
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| 17:47.31 | zenzelezz | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/28603/why-are-regular-expressions-so-morbidly-attractive/28614#28614 |
| 17:49.26 | Torhal | Fantasy Football: http://store.steampowered.com/app/11170/ |
| 17:53.39 | Ackis | Torhal: wtf |
| 17:53.40 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: because i'm on holiday and not on IRC |
| 17:53.51 | Fisker | so still in the US? |
| 17:53.53 | jnwhiteh | haste: how is the new streaming client under wine? |
| 17:53.55 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 17:53.57 | Fisker | (this is irc btw) |
| 17:53.58 | mikma | jnwhiteh: u r in irc atm |
| 17:54.05 | Fisker | heard it was your birthday btw :O |
| 17:54.05 | haste | jnwhiteh: fine |
| 17:54.07 | jnwhiteh | mikma: truthseeker |
| 17:54.09 | Fisker | i'm like gz and so forth |
| 17:54.16 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: in the past, yes =) |
| 17:54.21 | haste | jnwhiteh: it crashed horribly after about 7 days of uptime tho'\ |
| 17:54.23 | Torhal | Ackis: What? |
| 17:54.24 | jnwhiteh | haste: I may be buying a Lenovo netbook |
| 17:54.28 | Fisker | they lowered the price on nexus s btw :O |
| 17:54.29 | jnwhiteh | and want to be able to play wow |
| 17:54.43 | Fisker | so now it's only 430£ |
| 17:54.46 | Ackis | Torhal: do I need a reason to wtf you? |
| 17:55.04 | Nobgul | lol |
| 17:55.39 | durcyn | yay, my fermi 570's here |
| 17:55.46 | haste | jnwhiteh: WoW behaves pretty much exactly like it has under wine for the past years :P |
| 17:55.49 | durcyn | boo, it's going to sit in the trunk of my car for the next 6 hours :( |
| 17:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | Is that good for it? |
| 17:57.02 | ProNihilist | haste: horribly? >_> |
| 17:58.49 | syrae_ | Last day 'o work! Woooo!!! |
| 17:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Last... 4 hours to work, woooooot! |
| 17:59.47 | Ackis | you got fired Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | No, before vacation, silly. *poke* |
| 18:00.31 | haste | ProNihilist: no |
| 18:00.34 | Ackis | hehe |
| 18:00.42 | syrae_ | Vacation time! Wooo! \o/ |
| 18:00.47 | ProNihilist | haste: I have an ATI card :( |
| 18:00.48 | syrae_ | why do I have a tail? |
| 18:00.55 | syra | damnit |
| 18:01.02 | haste | ProNihilist: then everything is horrible |
| 18:01.12 | haste | not really related to wine |
| 18:01.15 | haste | or WoW under wine |
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| 18:02.23 | ProNihilist | it's fine in Windows |
| 18:02.47 | Ackis | AMG NEW STEAM DEALS |
| 18:03.10 | jnwhiteh | haste: and that is to say? |
| 18:03.17 | jnwhiteh | what has it been like over the past few years? :P |
| 18:03.29 | haste | ProNihilist: it's a driver issue with X, not WoW |
| 18:03.41 | haste | jnwhiteh: it works out of the box with decent performance |
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| 18:03.51 | jnwhiteh | that's good then. |
| 18:04.03 | jnwhiteh | have you used the new x server replacement thingamajig? |
| 18:04.28 | Fisker | stop it Ackis |
| 18:04.34 | Fisker | i need a nexus s, a sandy bridge and steam gaems |
| 18:05.31 | Ackis | Fisker: steam sales |
| 18:05.33 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis *!~Ackis@*] by EDI |
| 18:05.34 | Ackis | Fisker: steam sales |
| 18:05.39 | haste | jnwhiteh: nope, also avoid ATi :P |
| 18:05.40 | zenzelezz | hah |
| 18:05.49 | jnwhiteh | haste: nvidia or intel then? |
| 18:05.54 | mikma | blah, bunch of bad games |
| 18:05.55 | jnwhiteh | since those are the only choices in netbooks =) |
| 18:06.00 | haste | jnwhiteh: nvidia |
| 18:06.18 | haste | intels drivers aren't really pushing out enough power |
| 18:10.47 | Fisker | also |
| 18:11.00 | Lopeppeppy | also also wik |
| 18:11.03 | Fisker | bring a nexus s for me for my birthday jnwhiteh |
| 18:11.10 | Torhal | ~fiskerslap |
| 18:11.10 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 18:11.17 | durcyn | dont do it |
| 18:11.19 | mikma | bring lexus 400 for me for my birthday jnwhiteh |
| 18:11.25 | Fisker | i think it's a fair trade durcyn |
| 18:12.02 | Fisker | after all jnwhiteh got a message in the topic |
| 18:17.47 | Xinhuan | wow the steam sales |
| 18:19.24 | Torhal | Xinhuan: I hate Steam. |
| 18:19.25 | Torhal | Bastards. |
| 18:19.36 | Torhal | I have to keep saying "NO!" |
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| 18:22.19 | syrae | um... is there a reason that there's still a link to the Cata UI download in the topic? |
| 18:22.39 | syrae | well, Cata beta download |
| 18:22.49 | Nobgul | For looks? |
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| 18:33.50 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/browse/16468/loreal_trollface.jpg |
| 18:34.49 | haste | 0753.36| haste | mikma: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldp0xbQxPL1qewgnbo1_500.jpg |
| 18:35.03 | mikma | omfg, nowai |
| 18:35.19 | mikma | omfg, there it is, in log! |
| 18:35.20 | haste | wai |
| 18:35.24 | mikma | anyway, smooth. |
| 18:35.34 | haste | beating you with 12h, oh yeah~ |
| 18:35.47 | Lunessa | mmmm... beta |
| 18:35.50 | mikma | achully |
| 18:35.58 | mikma | i was at work back then, muhaha |
| 18:37.46 | mikma | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/december/maloriaktitle.jpg - lol what? |
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| 18:50.55 | fictive | !api cooldown |
| 18:50.56 | lua_bot | Found 24 possible matches for 'cooldown'. Please be more specific |
| 18:51.03 | fictive | !api spell cooldown |
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| 18:51.03 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'spell cooldown'. |
| 18:51.08 | durcyn | !api GetSpellCooldown |
| 18:51.09 | fictive | I suck at searching :P |
| 18:51.09 | lua_bot | GetSpellCooldown: Returns cooldown information about a spell in the spellbook (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellCooldown) |
| 18:51.22 | fictive | thanks, durcyn |
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| 18:59.36 | Shirik | Itâs a busy day for Battle.net! |
| 18:59.37 | Shirik | Due to high volume of traffic, weâve taken our World of Warcraft and Starcraft II Community sites offline to allow as many users as possible to claim keys, upgrade accounts and manage subscriptions. |
| 18:59.42 | Shirik | wtf is so special about today? |
| 18:59.55 | durcyn | it's tuesday |
| 19:00.07 | durcyn | schools have let out? |
| 19:00.13 | durcyn | Shirik's mom is in town? |
| 19:00.35 | syrae | I think the holiday break is starting to kick in |
| 19:01.51 | syrae | it also makes me glad that I cached the armory page I'm trying to parse so I can still work on it while it's down |
| 19:02.22 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 19:05.22 | fictive | question, in my OnEnable-function I call GetEclipseDirection(), but it returns none, yet the arrow points in the solar direction, how come? |
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| 19:06.02 | Dagmar | Perhaps the eclipse power is zero |
| 19:07.04 | fictive | it's the "zero" value yes, but apparently the UI can still detect which way it's going to go next |
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| 19:07.07 | fictive | hmmm |
| 19:07.28 | Dagmar | ...or it's a matter of signedness. |
| 19:07.50 | Dagmar | I figure it's just assuming zero is positive |
| 19:08.24 | Dagmar | You can't really detect which way it's going to go, as far as I know, because the player can choose to cast whichever spell they want |
| 19:08.33 | Dagmar | They can add moon or sun power |
| 19:09.07 | Dagmar | I didn't get real far with my druid, but I think I remember having spells that pushed the needle one way or the other |
| 19:09.17 | mckenziemc | starsurge |
| 19:09.21 | mckenziemc | and procs |
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| 19:18.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *\\\\*!*@*] by Shirik |
| 19:18.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *\\\\*!*@*] by Shirik |
| 19:18.21 | syrae | uhh... |
| 19:18.36 | Shirik | ignore that |
| 19:18.37 | syrae | Whatcha doin' Shirik? |
| 19:18.40 | Shirik | testing something |
| 19:18.54 | syrae | Is it breaking well? |
| 19:19.12 | Shirik | nope, worked perfectly |
| 19:19.22 | syrae | then, hooray |
| 19:19.40 | syrae | also, Shirik... why is there stuff about the Cata Beta UI download still in the topic? |
| 19:21.38 | mikma | because shirik should be burned with fire |
| 19:22.08 | syrae | noooo |
| 19:22.11 | syrae | I like Shirik! |
| 19:23.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:24.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Congrats Shirik! |
| 19:24.38 | syrae | <3 Shirik |
| 19:25.01 | syrae | Thanks :) |
| 19:26.44 | Lunessa | Lulz: "-Greg âGhostcrawlerâ Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft and the skipper of a very nice ship where they serve cute sandwiches with the crust removed. And gin." |
| 19:26.56 | fictive | hah! some of you screwed me over! |
| 19:27.13 | fictive | I think it was mckenziemc , or I might be mistaken (pgup doesn't work in my putty) |
| 19:27.29 | syrae | Lunessa: yar. He's having too much fun with his signatures. :P |
| 19:27.47 | Lunessa | syrae: I suspect that has to do with the gin. |
| 19:27.55 | fictive | calling UnitPower("player", "SPELL_POWER_ECLIPSE") is NOT a valid call |
| 19:28.02 | fictive | you have to call it with it's number |
| 19:28.22 | fictive | that's why I was getting the weird 65458 number, cause it defaulted to 0, which is MANA |
| 19:28.25 | fictive | facepalms |
| 19:28.46 | syrae | Lunessa: at least we know how to bribe him. |
| 19:29.38 | syrae | ok |
| 19:29.57 | syrae | I think I finished the Python bit o' this project. Now let's work on the PHP bit |
| 19:29.57 | fictive | can't believe I didn't notice |
| 19:30.12 | syrae | fictive: I can't believe it's not butter |
| 19:30.21 | Lunessa | syrae: he's bribable, but the results are like wishing on a monkey paw. |
| 19:31.14 | Torhal | Shirik: Ackis asked me to ask for him to be unmuted. |
| 19:31.25 | Shirik | how did he get muted |
| 19:32.05 | Fisker | he spammed |
| 19:32.08 | Fisker | like the jerk he is |
| 19:32.09 | Torhal | Shirik: He said you fixed EDI? |
| 19:32.13 | LebQzz | ok something i havent understood properly. |
| 19:32.15 | Torhal | ~fiskerslap |
| 19:32.15 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
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| 19:32.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 19:32.44 | LebQzz | but if i have a string "666*123456*-2256" |
| 19:32.49 | LebQzz | i want to split it at the asterixs |
| 19:32.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq *!~Ackis@* *!*@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis] by Shirik |
| 19:32.59 | LebQzz | and minus can be on the second and third |
| 19:33.10 | Shirik | tell Ackis he fails |
| 19:33.14 | alestane | In what language? Lua? |
| 19:33.25 | LebQzz | string.match(pp_message, "(%d+)[%s%*]*([-%d]+)") |
| 19:33.31 | LebQzz | i got for 2 of em ;P |
| 19:33.53 | alestane | In WoW Lua you can use string.split("*", "666*123456*-2256") |
| 19:34.02 | alestane | Or you should be able to. |
| 19:34.08 | LebQzz | let me try that |
| 19:34.09 | alestane | lua> string.split("*", "666*123456*-2256") |
| 19:34.11 | lua_bot | alestane: 666, 123456, -2256 |
| 19:34.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:34.31 | Fisker | your birthday today? |
| 19:35.14 | alestane | In regular Lua, you have to escape the stars. |
| 19:35.17 | Torhal | Shirik: He said "how so?" |
| 19:36.37 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^*]\*([^*])\*(.*)") |
| 19:36.38 | lua_bot | alestane: luabot:1: unfinished capture |
| 19:36.42 | alestane | Ah. |
| 19:36.47 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^*])\*([^*])\*(.*)") |
| 19:36.48 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 19:36.58 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^\*])\*([^\*])\*(.*)") |
| 19:36.59 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 19:37.13 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.27 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^*])%*([^*])%*(.*)") |
| 19:37.28 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 19:37.37 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^%*])%*([^%*])%*(.*)") |
| 19:37.37 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 19:38.21 | alestane | Strange. |
| 19:38.40 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^%*])") |
| 19:38.41 | lua_bot | alestane: 6 |
| 19:39.24 | alestane | ç§ã®é¦¬é¹¿ |
| 19:39.44 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^%*]*)%*([^%*]*)%*(.*)") |
| 19:39.45 | lua_bot | alestane: 666, 123456, -2256 |
| 19:39.58 | alestane | And last check. |
| 19:40.07 | alestane | lua> string.match("666*123456*-2256", "([^*]*)%*([^*]*)%*(.*)") |
| 19:40.08 | lua_bot | alestane: 666, 123456, -2256 |
| 19:40.23 | Pneumatus | you know you can just whisper the bot, right? |
| 19:40.40 | alestane | Yes, when I expect to be passing it several things. |
| 19:40.50 | alestane | That wasn't supposed to take that many tries. |
| 19:41.16 | alestane | But there's your general pattern in non-WoW Lua, LebQzz: "([^*]*)%*([^*]*)%*(.*)" |
| 19:41.26 | alestane | But in WoW, string.split is way easier. |
| 19:42.16 | Pneumatus | there's a lib that provides string.split for standard lua somewhere, isnt there? |
| 19:42.28 | alestane | Could be. And lua_bot has it built in. |
| 19:48.03 | Lunessa | 'Whale Shark is an avid reader of the forums, and has asked me to relay to you a cordial invitation to meet face to face in Vashj'ir to discuss the matter. It will be a formal affair, and it suggests that you wear something, and I quote: "delicious"." |
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| 19:48.38 | alestane | That sounds like Zarhym. |
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| 19:59.38 | Lulia | Lunessa: Link? |
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| 20:00.14 | Lunessa | Lulia: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/144522/whale-shark |
| 20:00.44 | Fisker | my keyboard just reboot |
| 20:00.45 | Fisker | ed |
| 20:00.46 | Fisker | jerk |
| 20:00.46 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:01.05 | Fisker | i like daxxari |
| 20:01.10 | Fisker | daxxarri that is |
| 20:01.58 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 20:02.00 | Fisker | demo for sc2 |
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| 20:06.28 | Lulia | That IS quite funny :P |
| 20:06.42 | Lulia | Ah well, time for work... |
| 20:07.03 | mikma | http://koti.kapsi.fi/~tlinnant/piparit.JPG |
| 20:07.22 | Lulia | O.o |
| 20:10.51 | Fisker | what do you know |
| 20:10.57 | Fisker | the first time i die we kill the boss |
| 20:11.04 | Fisker | sacrificing a holy cow really works |
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| 20:16.18 | Nobgul | Are there any boss encounter addons updated yet? ie: dbm dxe rw2? |
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| 20:20.37 | Fisker | bigwigs and dbm is |
| 20:20.43 | Fisker | dxe doesn't appear to be maintained anymore |
| 20:20.46 | Fisker | atleast not last i looked |
| 20:21.31 | Nobgul | Damn ok thanks Fisker |
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| 20:25.21 | drag0nius | is there way to check how much skill player have in profession? |
| 20:26.30 | Nobgul | no |
| 20:26.34 | Nobgul | well in guild yes |
| 20:26.36 | durcyn | drag0nius: GetProfessions() returns one, two, archaeology, fishing, cooking, firstaid in that order |
| 20:27.01 | durcyn | you can then call GetProfessionInfo() on those indexes |
| 20:27.11 | drag0nius | hmm theres no documentation about xD |
| 20:27.16 | drag0nius | ty for info |
| 20:27.18 | durcyn | it's new in 4.0 |
| 20:27.27 | drag0nius | ohh |
| 20:27.35 | Gagorian | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetProfessionInfo |
| 20:27.42 | Gagorian | documentation |
| 20:27.43 | Nobgul | i thought it was only in the secondary professions though not the main ones |
| 20:28.32 | durcyn | what did you think the spell book profession frame used? |
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| 20:29.09 | Gagorian | durcyn: magic? |
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| 20:30.04 | durcyn | oh, point. |
| 20:31.29 | p3lim | Any wowi admins/mods online at the moment? |
| 20:38.16 | mckenziemc | fictive: SPELL_POWER_ECLIPSE is a global constant; the code probably broke because you put it in quotes :p |
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| 20:41.33 | mckenziemc | alestane and lebqzz: %* is a shorter way of escaping * |
| 20:45.52 | p3lim | still not any admins/mods present? |
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| 20:49.21 | Nobgul | p3lim |
| 20:49.22 | Nobgul | what ya need |
| 20:49.36 | p3lim | lets take it in PM |
| 20:49.38 | Nobgul | ok |
| 20:51.02 | fictive | mckenziemc: oh >_>; |
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| 21:06.42 | Torhal | Nobgul: DXE was last updated 5 days ago - alpha version. |
| 21:08.27 | drag0nius | !api createmacro |
| 21:08.28 | lua_bot | CreateMacro: Creates a new macro (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateMacro) |
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| 21:11.08 | xqo | hey, is there an addon that lets you move the custom unitframes around and/or customize them even more? |
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| 21:18.52 | drag0nius | Shadowed Unit frames |
| 21:18.58 | drag0nius | pretty good one |
| 21:19.48 | fictive | SUF is my favorie |
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| 21:22.08 | xqo | cool thanks. |
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| 21:40.52 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: |
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| 21:43.36 | Shadowed | haste are you there |
| 21:45.21 | Fisker | haste is dead |
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| 21:46.20 | Nobgul | Fisker, Is haste the man u killed? |
| 21:48.41 | haste | Shadowed: y |
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| 22:06.30 | drag0nius | guys, how to launch some function while loading addon? |
| 22:09.02 | mojosdojo | Hook the event? |
| 22:10.05 | karl_w_w | onload? :/ |
| 22:10.25 | drag0nius | prob is |
| 22:10.31 | drag0nius | something doesnt work xD |
| 22:11.17 | Elkano | just call it? |
| 22:11.26 | karl_w_w | random syntax error? |
| 22:11.44 | drag0nius | no errors |
| 22:11.47 | drag0nius | but neither works |
| 22:12.09 | drag0nius | or at least wowlua doesnt print error |
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| 22:12.34 | alestane | This is knid of wacky and cool: http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2010/12/19/0229-composition-with-red-blue-and-woo/ |
| 22:15.09 | Kraps | alestane: 11341 x 15687 waaaaaaat |
| 22:15.33 | alestane | What do these numbers signify? |
| 22:15.41 | durcyn | multiplication |
| 22:15.42 | karl_w_w | alestane notice how the position of the leak keeps moving :P |
| 22:16.06 | cog|work | lua> 11341*15687 |
| 22:16.08 | lua_bot | cog|work: 177906267 |
| 22:16.13 | Kraps | alestane: the pixels |
| 22:16.21 | cog|work | Kraps: u hi? |
| 22:16.27 | durcyn | that's how you tell it's 'shopped |
| 22:16.44 | cog|work | 980x1375 imo |
| 22:16.46 | Kraps | cog|work: wat u say |
| 22:17.03 | Kraps | l2read |
| 22:17.07 | Kraps | "We spent a lot of time creating this strip, so I decided to put it online a little earlier. The size of the original image is 11341 x 15687 pixel and my computer with 1.5 GByte RAM has troubles displaying it, let alone working on it." |
| 22:17.15 | cog|work | reading's overrated |
| 22:17.25 | Kraps | so's your mom |
| 22:18.09 | Kraps | afk |
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| 22:27.37 | Ackis | can I talk yet? |
| 22:27.42 | Ackis | whee |
| 22:28.44 | dolby | shhh |
| 22:28.54 | cog|work | HAI |
| 22:29.12 | Ackis | http://squee.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/12/20/cute-baby-animals-lol/ |
| 22:29.24 | Ackis | cog|work: it was horrible, I couldn't talk in the channel!!! |
| 22:29.34 | cog|work | s/horrible/joyous/ |
| 22:29.47 | cog|work | /trollface |
| 22:29.53 | Ackis | :( |
| 22:30.57 | drag0nius | guys whats wrong with second line here: http://wklej.org/id/442701/ |
| 22:31.08 | drag0nius | '(' expected near '[' |
| 22:31.16 | Ackis | ps: click my link cog|work |
| 22:31.41 | cog|work | drag0nius: you're using the function keyword redundantly |
| 22:31.51 | cog|work | either function foo() ... end or foo = function() ... end |
| 22:31.51 | drag0nius | ye just saw xD |
| 22:31.53 | cog|work | not both |
| 22:31.54 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:32.09 | drag0nius | hmm |
| 22:32.15 | drag0nius | i deleted that |
| 22:32.20 | drag0nius | and still doesnt work |
| 22:32.35 | cog|work | delete the first function keyword and it should work |
| 22:33.18 | cog|work | function foo() ... end -- the foo has to be an identifier, not an expression iirc |
| 22:33.37 | drag0nius | idk why i put it there xD |
| 22:33.37 | cog|work | so you have to use the other form |
| 22:34.09 | drag0nius | hmm no slash command work |
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| 22:34.30 | drag0nius | for my other addon it worked fine |
| 22:34.42 | drag0nius | just had less elseifs xD |
| 22:35.04 | cog|work | why are you doing cmd:lower() in every single condition? |
| 22:35.23 | cog|work | and you can also split it ount into multiple functions based on the first word so you're not doing everything in a huge column of elseifs |
| 22:35.38 | cog|work | (none of this should affect whetheer it works at all) |
| 22:35.46 | cog|work | (check your other normal suspects) |
| 22:36.47 | drag0nius | could it be that no command work if some function is badly called inside? |
| 22:37.04 | Dagmar | Whose fault would that be, exactly? |
| 22:37.34 | drag0nius | ye, but to me it seems fine |
| 22:38.04 | cog|work | check your premises |
| 22:39.57 | Dagmar | Imma go out on a limb and suggest that instead of burning clockcycles in the parser dealing with a pile of cmd:lowers, maybe you wanna create a temporary variable, do the cmd:lower once on it, and then check that |
| 22:40.17 | cog|work | still shouldn't affect whether it works at all tho |
| 22:40.22 | Dagmar | Euw |
| 22:40.25 | drag0nius | well what i did |
| 22:40.34 | drag0nius | copypasted this from my other working addon |
| 22:40.39 | drag0nius | and added more ifs |
| 22:40.41 | cog|work | drag0nius: have you even verified that your new addon is being loaded? |
| 22:40.44 | drag0nius | +name changes |
| 22:40.47 | drag0nius | yea |
| 22:40.47 | Dagmar | It would be faster without doing cmd:lower every time (in most languages) |
| 22:40.48 | drag0nius | it is |
| 22:41.07 | drag0nius | i've got right keybind names etc |
| 22:41.39 | drag0nius | keybinds work |
| 22:41.45 | drag0nius | just not commands |
| 22:45.23 | cog|work | have you verified that the file it's in is being loaded? |
| 22:45.36 | drag0nius | i've just one file in addon |
| 22:45.36 | cog|work | (do you see where i'm going with this, and can continue on your own?) |
| 22:45.55 | cog|work | if it's not working you're doing something wrong. try something different. make a minimal test... |
| 22:45.57 | drag0nius | and everything but commands is working |
| 22:46.42 | cog|work | does MyAddon need to be capitalized in SlashCmdList? |
| 22:47.33 | drag0nius | i dont even know whats that name for :P |
| 22:47.41 | drag0nius | i've everything capitalized in other one |
| 22:48.12 | cog|work | SlashCmdList["SOMEHTING"] is the function called whenever you type a slash command indicated by SLASH_SOMETHING# |
| 22:48.49 | cog|work | Perhaps your problem is that you're not actually trying to learn what you're doing and just moving things around in hopes that they'll fall into place... |
| 22:49.26 | drag0nius | well i understand like 99% of what im doing :P |
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| 22:50.04 | cog|work | http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 22:50.15 | cog|work | (and more generally: http://www.wowpedia.org/Category:HOWTOs ) |
| 22:52.12 | drag0nius | i dont see any difference between those examples and what i did |
| 22:52.45 | drag0nius | i just have totally no idea whats wrong |
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| 22:57.30 | drag0nius | hmm lol |
| 22:57.35 | drag0nius | i did nothing and it started working |
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| 23:09.15 | Shirik | Is there an up-to-date online resource with the Blizzard interface files? |
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| 23:18.24 | Shirik | Does anyone know where the LFG stuff is? |
| 23:18.54 | Dagmar | Hiding from the sergtacular failtanks |
| 23:19.03 | Dagmar | s/serg/zerg/ |
| 23:21.05 | Kraps | the eagle has landed |
| 23:21.29 | Kraps | the horse is in the barn |
| 23:21.52 | Kraps | the chicken is in the pot |
| 23:28.13 | Kraps | people are awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vo0Cazxj_yc#! |
| 23:29.49 | Kraps | and so is punny british comedy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 23:31.19 | Cide | Shirik, I would guess LFDFrame.xml/lua given the frame name in-game |
| 23:31.29 | Cide | but I haven't extracted the files to verify |
| 23:34.16 | Shirik | what is LFDFrame |
| 23:34.18 | Shirik | I don't see that |
| 23:36.16 | Shirik | oh I'm a noob |
| 23:36.23 | Shirik | I only extracted Blizzard AddOns |
| 23:41.39 | Cide | yes you are |
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| 23:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | is there an addon that shows the quest's objective location and/or digsite overlay on the minimap yet? is that even possible? |
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| 23:51.50 | cog|work | ~fishgiver |
| 23:52.27 | cog|work | ~fishgiver is someone who, in spite of the better efforts of their peers to teach someone something, hands them the answer they seek so they'll only come back with more dumb questions in the future |
| 23:52.28 | purl | cog|work: okay |
| 23:54.19 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: map system is joke. iirc there's like 3 diff types of map and all diff APIs n stuffs. So... maybe. |
| 23:54.36 | bleeter | there's at least minimap, world map and the 'battlezone' map thing in the lower right |
| 23:54.49 | Mr_Rabies | that's true, i could use the battle map thing |
| 23:55.09 | Mr_Rabies | wait it doesn't look like those overlays show in battlemap >:( |
| 23:55.23 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: quite |
| 23:55.45 | bleeter | I can resize the world map thing |
| 23:56.07 | bleeter | but yeah, 3 diff map types is just fubar |
| 23:56.14 | Mr_Rabies | i hate having to keep consulting my map to check borders for doodad quests and archaeology |
| 23:56.34 | bleeter | i keep getting lost between which map goes with which addon |
| 23:56.43 | durcyn | tomtomlite should give you quest objective arrows, iirc |
| 23:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, tomtom's been flipping the hell out on me lately so i keep disabling it |
| 23:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | astrolabe keeps trying to eat its own head |
| 23:57.52 | bleeter | other thing is shouldn't need tomtom |
| 23:58.10 | durcyn | you've an old astrolabe then, but tomtomlite is standalone |
| 23:59.53 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:59.53 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
