IRC log for #wowuidev on 20101220

00:00.58Kraftmani guess its not RAID_TARGET_UPDATE  :(
00:01.06cbreakno
00:01.11cbreakit's UNIT_TARGET
00:01.56Kraftmanthanks :)
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00:42.40evolution_laptopgrrrr, sometimes I just wanna kick Routes in the ass   >.<
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01:00.32airtonixqqmoar
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01:06.18cogwheelKraps: you coming?
01:06.19Krapscogwheel:
01:06.19cogwheel:P
01:06.36Krapswow is having serious crashes
01:06.43Krapsso i'm out for now
01:06.49Krapssorry
01:06.50cogwheelkk
01:06.58cogwheel:(
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01:58.45kd3yay for fun and sun in the caribbean, then coming home to -3c weather
02:03.37batrickit's -11c here in south bend :P
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02:27.05LebQzzanyone found if there is a balance between mana and beeing 85
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02:41.07Aurorushttp://games.on.net/article/11115/Figures_Show_Cataclysm_Already_Ridiculously_Popular
02:41.23Aurorusheh - one guy put in 149 hours over a week
02:41.32Aurorusconsidering there are a total of 160 hours in a week....
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02:44.34Primermaybe it was two people doing shifts
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02:46.58Aurorusmaybe...
02:47.07Krapsanyone know i have this issue where wow goes all technicolor and pixelated and freezes my pc?
02:47.27|Jelly|bad video card?
02:48.00Xyphoidtexture cache corruption can cause weird technicolor effects but crashing sounds like hardware
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02:48.49Krapseeo
02:49.58Krapsis there a way to test a video card?
02:50.17mckenziemctry it in a different comp
02:50.36Krapseh
02:50.54mckenziemcmost recent drivers?
02:51.47Krapsi have the latest
02:53.33mckenziemchmm, you could try going back a few versions in case the new one actually messed things up
02:54.03mckenziemcother than that, best bets are trying a different VC in that comp, or that VC in a different comp
02:54.22mckenziemcis the issue easily reproduced or random?
02:55.06Krapspretty random
02:55.18Krapswhile playing wow
02:55.29Krapshappened 3 times today
02:56.37Primeroverheating
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02:57.42Krapsneed to vacuum the dust?
03:01.21Krapsnvidia has a magazine wut
03:03.29Krapsanyone know a website similar to kotaku?
03:05.31Thunder_ChildKraps: any of the gaming ones?
03:05.39Thunder_Childthough they are not properly blogs per say
03:06.13Krapsyeah looking for a blog
03:06.16Thunder_ChildKraps: how many of the achives did you end up doing?
03:06.42Thunder_Child~lmgtfy Gaming Blog
03:06.42purlACTION thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gaming Blog
03:07.08Krapsur doing it rong purl
03:07.19Thunder_Child~lmgtfy "Gaming Blog"
03:07.20purlACTION thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q="Gaming Blog"
03:07.26Thunder_Childmeh
03:07.44KrapsThunder_Child: 12
03:07.49Thunder_Child~lmgtfy Gaming+Blog
03:07.49purlACTION thinks you should look here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gaming+Blog
03:07.53Thunder_Childwin
03:08.03Thunder_ChildKraps: 3 more and you can get the 2nd hat
03:08.12Krapswhat hat
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03:08.35Thunder_ChildKraps: look down the right hand side of the treasurehut page
03:08.42Thunder_Childtreasurehunt*
03:08.51Krapsderp
03:09.06Krapsfreaking obsession with TF2 hats
03:09.14Thunder_Childwho?
03:09.22Krapseveryone?
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03:09.28Thunder_Child*shrug*
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03:20.26KrapsThunder_Child: turns out those chewy cookies werent chewy at all, they were chunky
03:20.47Thunder_ChildKraps: chunky can be chewy
03:21.56Krapsyou hsve to make them chewy yourself though
03:24.15Jerubanyone know of any useful archeology addons?
03:24.30Thunder_ChildJerub: there is a plugin for tomtom
03:28.21Cairennthis one is new today:  http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19006-MinimalArchaeology.html
03:31.11Krapswhoa Cairenn nice ui upgrade
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03:31.28Cairennlol, only just noticing it now Kraps?
03:31.38Cairennwent live on Friday
03:31.50Krapsyeah, the minion serves me well :p
03:31.59Cairenn:)
03:33.18WobinJerub: Archaeology Helper is awesome
03:33.20Wobinbtw
03:33.42Wobinit makes triangulating the location of surveys much easier
03:33.55WobinI usually only need at max 3 to get it
03:34.12Wobinand that's even with three red surveys
03:34.50Auroruswhat's this archaeology thing? e.g. what is it and what does it do?
03:36.03Wobinit's a new secondary profession
03:36.09Wobinyou go around dig sites in the world
03:36.19Wobinand survey locations to find fragments of artefacts
03:36.26Wobinwhich you can then solve to get items
03:36.36Auroruscool - does it change for people?
03:36.44Wobinit's completely personally phased
03:36.53Aurorusahh, so no crowd-sharing of info?
03:36.56Wobinyeah
03:37.05Wobinand no losing nodes due to others either
03:37.18ChaosIncUsually useless items like glasses of milk ;)
03:37.22WobinIt's been compared to fishing, except with slower payback =P
03:38.38PProvost<PROTECTED>
03:38.42PProvostlol
03:38.50Jerubthe node locations are like herb/ore nodes though.
03:38.58cogwheelatheism.stackexchange.com iirc
03:39.04Jerubit'snice when you see someone bend over to pick one up, because you can go check that exact spot
03:39.15PProvostBAH! 1 more day.
03:45.19KrapsPProvost: what is it?
03:49.57AmarandeWobin: except that fishing gives no XP, while archaeology gives MEGA xp
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03:50.13Amarandea single dig site is usually worth as much or more as two full quests
03:50.29Wobintrue
03:50.34WobinI'm doing ti at 85
03:50.39Wobinso xp matters not
03:50.45Wobinthe problem with levelling with archaeology
03:50.55Wobinis that at 85, you're utterly screwed gearwise for instances
03:51.08Wobinand you can't do BRC
03:51.22Wobinor VP
03:52.08Xyphoiddidn't they just hotfix brc/tott to be doable at 85
03:52.20Xyphoidwell, LFD'able
03:52.32Wobinnot last night
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03:56.32Irielnot right now, either
03:56.55AmarandeXyphoid: I'm not sure if those have an ilvl requirement or not
03:57.03Amarandesince it doesn't show it if you meet it
03:57.19Amarandeand the only character I've taken through 80-85 so far was in ICC10H and some ICC25N gear
03:57.57Aurorusis ICC25N gear better than ICC10H ?
03:58.07Amarandeand I really do hope they hotfix it to be doable at 85.
03:58.10AmarandeAurorus: it's about the same
03:58.19Aurorusahh ok
03:58.25Amarandeboth lead to the same annoying issue when leveling in cata that doesn't really go away till 83-84 or so
03:58.40Amarandethankfully I had only one raiding character so I don't have to worry about it now
03:59.23Amarandenamely that you have to hold onto random quest awards just to meet the ilvl rule because most of the 272 green stuff is not an upgrade from 264 epics
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03:59.30Amarandeyou don't get definite upgrades for some slots till Deepholm, actually
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04:00.04Amarandeas for why it'll be great to have those dungeons hotfixed? the great Plate Helm Search, for one
04:00.10Amarandethough that, too, will stop being such an issue later
04:00.24Amaranderight now ... unggghhh, though, who wants to plop down 400g on a helm that will be replaced with JPs later
04:00.58Xyphoidi paid 150g for that helm
04:01.12AmarandeXyph: your server's economy must be better
04:01.41Amarandeon Turalyon Horde, the needed 14 elementium bars are 400g
04:01.50Xyphoidpersonally i think 400g is fine for that helm, go do tol barad dailies
04:02.17AmarandeI suppose I could ... wait, no, I can't really level mining, over there at least the obsidium is so overfarmed that reaching the elementium stage takes ages
04:02.38Amarandeand I don't stay up till dawn like I used to :S
04:02.54Kraps"The Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences announced today that it would induct BioWare co-founders Dr. Ray Muzyka and Dr. Greg Zeschuk into its hall of fame." sweet
04:03.12AmarandeKraps: oh good grief, there's an official Academy now for gaming?
04:03.52Amarandedo they focus more on the arts and design technology like the Oscar people do, or does it seem more focused on sales figures like the Grammy people?
04:04.38Xyphoidi dont' know why you'd need to do blackrock caverns for gear at 85 though, twilight highlands quest gear is better
04:04.39Amarande(From what I've noticed, Oscars seem to get awarded based on actual technical and artistic merit while bubblegum crap basically never gets them, while Grammys almost always go to crappy manufactured songs with high chart positions, while songs that are actually great virtually never get them.)
04:04.41Kraps*shrug* http://www.interactive.org/
04:05.15AmarandeXyphoid: TotT yields the only DPS plate helm that comes from other than JP or crafting
04:05.22Amarandealthough I don't know if the ilvl is high enough to be worth it
04:05.58Amarandeamong the 84+ instances and factions, there are plenty of tank and holydin helms but *not a single DPS one*
04:06.04AmarandeI'm not sure how they overlooked that
04:06.19Xyphoidthink of it as giving blacksmiths some reason to exist
04:06.20Amarandealthough I'm starting to question the fun of the MDPS gig now and am considering tanking
04:06.38Amarandeespecially now that they made DK tank rune management not handle like a shopping cart
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04:07.31AmarandeI used to not be able to stand tanking as a DK because the rune management was terrible
04:07.47Amarandelet's see, a typical AoE pull? drop DnD, there goes half your runes. put up diseases and spread them ... there goes the other half of your runes.
04:08.24AmarandeI can understand why people hated DK tanks in LK because there are situations that we just didn't have the flexibility to handle then
04:08.40AmarandeI'm thinking of places like Halls of Stone, where there's that pull of iron dwarves where it's really easy to end up getting an extra group coming
04:08.40Xyphoidi really embarassed myself crying on guild chat the other day, i was all 'no shield intellect enchant? typical, it's always caster shamans who get SLAPPED IN THE FACE'
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04:09.20Amarandeand *we couldn't handle that*, because we didn't HAVE ANY RUNES LEFT after the initial laydown of aggro to accommodate adds
04:09.25Xyphoidpull better
04:09.33Amarandeof course, the hunters whose pets pulled the extra mobs would blame us
04:09.39Xyphoidreally, dk tanks were fine in wrath
04:10.09Xyphoidyou had some amazing tools that other tanks didn't, you had to really go out of your way to find places that were problems
04:10.24Amarandeyeah, and single target was great
04:10.31Amarandeit was mostly handling adds that was an issue
04:10.42Amarandebecause runes are limited, and DnD was particularly expensive
04:11.14Xyphoidare you talking about the circular bit at the start?
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04:11.38AmarandeXyphoid: I'm talking about the big red circle of aggroey ehvulness that DKs lay down at the start of a pull, yeah.
04:12.03Amarandeof course, now in Cata that's both a single-rune spell AND also increasingly inadvisable to use
04:12.25AmarandeConsecrate's probably a bad idea on prot pallies now, too
04:12.49AmarandeDepending on group composition, that is
04:12.58AmarandeNot so bad if you have rogue CC, quite bad if you have mage CC
04:13.08Xyphoidit's just about getting back to pulling properly
04:13.27Amarande(Sapped targets don't move. Sheep do, and are highly apt to wander into DnD and break CC.)
04:13.27Xyphoidyou don't want the sheep wandering around on top of the one you're killing
04:14.12AmarandeHell, whenver I get a DK tank in randoms on my mage, not that it matters so much in BC but I'm trying to get into the right swing of things with CC
04:14.21AmarandeI can basically never sheep anything because people make sure all the mobs get into DnD
04:14.52Amarandeand I worry about getting those tanks in the 80s.
04:15.16mckenziemcdoes counterspell pull enough threat to distract the mob long enough to pull it away?
04:15.31Amarandemckenziemc: that, I'm not sure
04:16.00mckenziemci think it does threat even if it doesn't silence, but i don't remember
04:16.04Krapsits too bad stuff like this cant happen http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/12/world-of-warcraft-catastrophes/?pid=715
04:16.12AmarandeI very rarely try to pull aggro on a mob for any reason as DPS, and when I do it's normally Temple Adepts in VP on my DK in order to handle one up close and personal myself with interrupts because people fail at CC'ing them and the pulls with 2 are impossible otherwise.
04:16.24mckenziemcquestion's really does it work well enough to work ><
04:17.04Amarande(And one of the 2-pulls is in that place with the grounding field, so you HAVE to pull aggro and LoS in order to get it where you can interrupt it)
04:20.08Amarandegah, why do people not understand target priority and CC, anyway?
04:20.38Amarandeit makes me have a love/hate relationship with HoO, too, because people are trained to focus on the big guy first, and I am so often the only one who really understands how dangerous the shadowlancers are BEFORE we die
04:21.10AmarandeShadowlancers, the new Spellflingers. :P
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04:21.26Xyphoidi like those pygmy pulls in lost city
04:21.40Xyphoid'the enemies are short, therefore this is an AOE pull'
04:21.56Xyphoid*conflag* *splat*
04:22.00Thunder_ChildKraps: i was enjoying the article till i read ""Kiting," as the name implies, is the act of luring a boss bit by bit out of his dungeon and into an area where he's not supposed to be, as if he were attached to a thread."
04:22.03Thunder_Childidiot
04:22.27Krapslulz
04:22.30Shirikhttp://www.darklegacycomics.com/231.html
04:27.11AmarandeWhat's the minimum level needed to get a winter hat this year?
04:27.31bluspacecowerm
04:27.35bluspacecownot sure !
04:27.42bluspacecowi did it on an 83 i think
04:27.54AmarandeT_C: Heh, there WAS the time when I was sure that Mograine would follow me all the way out of SM and to Ironforge if there wasn't an instance portal in the way though.
04:28.18Amarandeblu: do they drop at all in BC or LK instances anymore?
04:28.22Amarandeor do you have to be cata leveled now?
04:29.58mckenziemcthere's no way to do an svn style blame on a wowpedia page is there
04:30.16mckenziemci want to see what the date was when a specific line was added : /
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04:32.26gainhe
04:32.27gainy
04:32.41gainhttp://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw47751.png anyone know how he managed to add a space between the health and power bar in pitbull 4
04:32.59gainand not have a background show
04:33.00foreplayAnyone here know anything about creating a tga file for your dialog border
04:33.06gainbut have a background around his other things
04:33.21foreplaya link to a tutorial would suffice
04:33.28Amarandebtw, do goblins get exalted rep discount *everywhere* or only on vendors that *have* a faction?
04:37.20gainany tips guys?
04:39.33gainprobably a texture
04:41.39mckenziemcare you sure it's pitbull?
04:42.34gainyes
04:42.38gainhis addon list says so
04:42.45gainhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11321-SkullflowersUI.html
04:42.52Thunder_Childtransparent background?
04:42.59Thunder_Childcould be 3 layers or so
04:43.11Thunder_Childor you could just look at what (s)he did
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04:45.08Amarandegain: I'm about to switch away from Pitbull soon
04:45.17gainto what
04:45.25Krapsrofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnmeOrMx97o&feature=player_embedded
04:47.34mckenziemcgain: Layout editor -> Other tab -> background, uncheck Enable
04:47.56Amarandegain: possibly back to X-Perl
04:48.03mckenziemcthen bars -> blank space -> put it where you want it and set opacity to 0
04:48.07Amarandedespite the fact that X-Perl killed my DK once
04:48.58Krapsepic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl0VWJdE01M&feature=player_embedded#!
04:49.01mckenziemcin order to get it thin, set height to 1 then set the height of the other bars to large values
04:49.02Amarandebut the bug that caused that has been fixed long ago
04:49.11gainhmmm
04:49.18gainhold on a sec
04:49.34gainbut there is no border aound the other bars mckenziemc
04:49.39gainlike the left right and top/bottom
04:49.41Amarandewhile the current bug in pitbull is kind of irritating and it's been almost a month since 4.0.3a without a fix
04:49.51Amarandeso yeah, x-perl soon.
04:50.12gainhmm
04:50.48gainoh i see what he did
04:50.50gaininteresting
04:50.51gainthanks mckenzie
04:50.54mckenziemcyou mean you can't get pitbull to put the thin borders around the bars like in the pic, right
04:51.13Amarandemckenziemc: no, I'm referring to a genuine issue with pitbull since 4.0.3a
04:51.25mckenziemci was talking to gain :p
04:51.37mckenziemcwhat bug though?
04:51.38Amarandewhenever party composition changes, you have to either pass through a zone that causes a load screen or /reloadui in order to get the changes to show properly.
04:51.43mckenziemcah
04:51.51Amarandeif you ADD party members (like a forming raid), it tends to show up the new people as clones of you
04:52.00mckenziemclol
04:52.04Amarandeif you REMOVE party members (like people bailing in randoms), the frames get totally wonked up
04:52.23AmarandeIt wasn't like this before 4.0.3a, not even in first 4.0.3 that I can recall
04:52.32gainno i don't
04:52.32Amarandeso I'm really not sure what changed WRT unit frames to break that
04:52.37Irielz
04:52.44gainmckenziemc:  i think that guy did it in PB though
04:52.52gainunless he did it using kgpanels actually
04:52.54gainhe has that in his list as well
04:52.59AmarandeI do know unit frames have had some problems functionally since 4.0.1, though
04:53.16gainhe probably used kgpanels mckenzie
04:53.26Amarandesuch as buff clickoff being secure, and apparently something pitbull wants to do with buffs is mutually exclusive with secure buff clickoff, so you can't click off buffs at all with PB
04:53.47AmarandeI remember it being a subject of major complaint
04:54.11Amarandemostly, I believe, because 4.0 coincided with Hallow's End, and people couldn't figure out how to get rid of forms like wisp and bat that mostly disable you because they'd never had to use /cancelaura manually before
04:54.53LebQzzanyone found a nice way to farm cloth?
04:55.13Thunder_Childkill things
04:55.17Thunder_Childor harvest the AH
04:55.21mckenziemcim not too familiar with configuring pitbull, i was figuring maybe the texture used for the bar includes the border
04:55.26mckenziemcidk if that would even work though
04:57.27AmarandeLeb: sadly, tailoring in cata is hell
04:57.36AmarandeIn fact, I'm not at all sure I'm going to continue my priest into cata
04:58.05AmarandePriests seem to really have gotten the worst of it on mana management, and she's an enchanter tailor, too
04:58.32LebQzzwell my shaman is on dead ground
04:58.37AmarandeThere is really no good way to farm cloth at the rate needed to meet the mats requirements, and even if you're gold capped, you probably won't get ENOUGH of it on the AH anyway
04:58.39LebQzzleatherworking is pain in the ass aswell
04:59.14AmarandeI remember trying to level tailoring during LK, and buying out the entire AH (apart from one stack of frostweave some joker had put up at 300g), only got me a very few points at the point I was at
04:59.34AmarandeYeah, leave das lederwerk to someone else
04:59.50gainany tips on anchoring guys
04:59.51gainwith kgpanels
04:59.57gainhow do i get names of frames an such
04:59.58Amarandemy raid guild leader is a LW, and he says he's been plunking down 1000+g for A CHANCE at a skill up once he gets to 510 or so
05:00.09LebQzzalso they did the limited shoot yourself in the foot with orbs bop
05:00.26AmarandeLeb: oh yeah. I've been trying to say that's a bad thing myself.
05:00.28LebQzzyou need 4200 leather just to buy the recpies
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05:01.16corraCheers, is anyone familiar with XML templates? I keep getting "Couldn't find inherited node" from CreateFrame(). The only thing currently in the .xml is a Ui with a virtual Button that I'm trying to create a instance of in the .lua :-/
05:02.15corraHmm progress ...
05:02.19Amarandethe orbs BoP thing basically makes everyone second class citizens in terms of wealth vs. specifically LW and BS.
05:02.35AmarandeI suppose for LW you can forgive them a little since they could use the ability to sell orbs at arbitrary prices after what it costs to level that nightmare
05:02.44AmarandeBS isn't so bad, otoh, and is actually one of the saner professions mats-wise in cata
05:03.23LebQzzye
05:03.35LebQzzmy bs is maxed and finding shitload of pyrite
05:03.51LebQzzbut ahve to kill about 4000 mobs just to get recpies
05:03.57LebQzztells us a little about the balance
05:05.22AmarandeEng and Tailoring have a couple recipes that use orbs, but an Engineer is only ever going to use one (maybe two if a hybrid class with dual spec) orbs, ever.
05:05.38Amarande(okay, there's that one bow, but I'm not sure if it's popular, and other than that the only things Eng can make with orbs are the BoP gogs)
05:06.03AmarandeAnd Tailoring's orb recipes are of little import
05:06.18Amarandeit will ALWAYS be better, to my thought, to use 30 volatile life rather than 5 chaos orbs for your dreamcloth
05:06.36Amarandeand the only other one is a white-quality gown that's just for looks and has no stat bonuses at all!
05:07.01AmarandeBS and LW, on the other hand, get to be in the catbird seat with crafts they can basically charge sky's the limit for due to BoP orbs
05:07.47Amarandealso means that half the party in a heroic gets stuck with a drop at the end that they cannot use, that will always go to someone else and they'll probably have to pay through the nose for the use of even though THEY risked their skins too to get there
05:08.12LebQzzye
05:08.46AmarandeIt reminds me sort of of one of the reasons I stopped playing public games on Diablo 2.
05:09.25LebQzzwhy can tailoring make super non resilience gear and noone else can
05:09.27AmarandeNamely, that I tended to play classes like Sorceress. I would kill mobs, and the loot would go to some melee scrub who would then demand trade for it, generally items that virtually cannot be obtained legitimately.
05:10.04AmarandeNot that anyone seemed to *care*. You were expected to suck it up and ebay runes and 40/15 gems like everyone else.
05:11.01DagmarAre you hacking the orbs somehow?
05:11.18DagmarI don't see the orbs being a problem.
05:11.36Dagmar...although I have new glares for Blizz' gear evaluator now.
05:11.43AmarandeDagmar: if you're plate and your guild blacksmiths aren't in HC gear yet, you're screwed royally.
05:11.45LebQzzlol about that
05:11.56Amarandebecause ALL the good BS plate uses them, usually multiples.
05:12.01LebQzzi have a warrior with ilvl 301
05:12.04DagmarI got a blue 325 last night that actually *lowered* their calculation of my item level from 327 to 325.  :/
05:12.19LebQzzand i just took a bunch of crafted in my bags and boosted it to 335 lol
05:12.23AmarandeDagmar: and yes, the gear evaluator is fail and suck and I tend to regard it as giving in to the gearscore kiddies
05:12.32DagmarAmarande: So does all the decent mail, big deal.
05:12.44DagmarI'm just lookin' for a way to pug 'em without buying them first
05:12.50Amarandeor did THAT much of Blizzard's customer base use GearScore that they would have lost a lot of money by alienating them by not having a GS system?
05:13.18DagmarI could always just burn the 325 blue, which is what I'll probably do anyway.  I'm not wearing it.
05:13.20AmarandeAre those popularity numbers in Curse Client the actual number of people who use that addon via Curse Client or is it some other metric?
05:14.55AmarandeI'm supposing that sadly if every GS user (but no others) quit WoW, they'd probably lose millions a month. :|
05:15.20Amarandewhich means they might *need* to cater to them *grumble*
05:15.54Amarandeunless cata actually does slant a lot further towards the "it's your gear" side of the gear/skill fulcrum than LK or maybe even BC did?
05:15.56gaingod i hate kgpanels for this reason entirely
05:16.01gainits impossible to tell if it works or not
05:16.34AmarandeI'm not sure what the gear/skill relative importance is this time around
05:16.51Amarandeit seems in LK, it was almost all about skill, with very few real gear checks if you weren't doing hardmodes
05:17.40AmarandeI'm trying to think if there are any real gear check battles in ICC, apart from maybe BQL
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05:19.09AmarandeI guess the new healing paradigm also makes HP a much more important stat now, too
05:20.03AmarandeDagmar: the worst was when coming into Cata from 264 raiding, when you had to hold onto tons of useless quest rewards just to meet SC/VP requirements, and could only sell them off around 84 or so
05:20.54LebQzzwhat about the dmg output
05:21.02LebQzzwe just did icc10 today
05:21.26LebQzzand we had the same dps almost as 80's just with 3-5 times the hp and healers ran out of mana in no dam time
05:21.35LebQzzand my boomkin druid cant aoe for shit anymore
05:28.01foreplayAnyone know a good palce to learn how to make a texture for a dialog frame for my addon
05:30.00AmarandeLeb: yeah I've noticed that ... DPS has barely increased at all since LK, despite better gear and five more levels
05:30.12Amarandein fact DPS in Stonecore groups seemed to be distinctly worse than in ICC
05:30.27Amarandegranted, there's no 30% buff, but you'd think the gear jump would have made up for most of that ...
05:30.59Amarandeand with the HP thing, it seems that you're intended to leave people hurt unless they are in danger of dying, now
05:31.14Amarandethus HP is more important because that translates to people being expected to be able to take a few hits unhealed
05:31.43Amarandeof course, that makes Lich King the royalest pain in the ass ever thanks to Infest
05:31.55Amarande(Gods help us if there is a mechanic like that in Cata raids, I guess)
05:34.37gaindoes veryshort() return a string
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05:35.57gainwhats wrong with this   return " %s",VeryShort(HP(unit));
05:36.01gainer remove ;
05:36.18Cidenothing
05:36.22Cidewww.lua.org/pil
05:37.53gainhmm i am seeing garbage ;(
05:38.12Krapswow gg throwing away the game IdrA
05:38.24Krapsfreaking idiot
05:38.27Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDRvv0cn_Xc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
05:38.39Cidewow gg spoiler
05:39.44KrapsCide: i'm a noob and even i know that idra played a terrible terrible game
05:39.56gaincide
05:39.58gainhttp://pastebin.com/W3kfwSwS mind taking a look?
05:40.03gainthat's in pitbull fyi
05:40.14gainthe if part is screwing up
05:40.16gainshowing garbage
05:40.33gainthe else works fine
05:41.34KrapsCide: then he has the chutzpah to whine about protoss units not costing any money
05:42.03gainAny tips cide?
05:44.12gainapparently veryshort does not work with format string sor something
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05:58.52LuliaI was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for the term for [[ ]] syntax so I can look it up and read on it
06:01.33Cidegain: no, no tips
06:01.41Cidegain: www.lua.org/pil has plenty of tips, go read it
06:02.39AdysThe good things in WoW: Trapping critters in a ring of frost
06:03.06KrapsCide: are you watching it?
06:05.10CideKraps: nah, preparing for a final
06:07.51Thunder_ChildCide: just remember, 1+1=2
06:10.15LuliaAnyone know that term? I want to look it up on pil, but sadly it goes by terms and not rough approximations of syntax :P
06:11.04AdysLulia: multiline strings?
06:11.17Adyshttp://lua-users.org/wiki/StringsTutorial
06:11.32LuliaHmm
06:11.54LuliaThanks
06:12.17Adyslua> [===[one [[two]] one]===]
06:12.18lua_botAdys: one [[two]] one
06:12.26Adysfun.
06:12.47Adysand somewhat impressive and weird
06:13.17LuliaI saw pitbull using it for their "lua script" text stuff
06:13.28LuliaWhich is something I need to figure out how to do in my own way, I suppose :-/
06:13.36LuliaIf I can anyways
06:14.13LuliaIn the end I think it's just going to come down to a lot of parsing of strings
06:14.20LuliaWhich is going to be... fun...
06:14.33LuliaOh, this issue is interesting: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1567930641#1
06:14.50LuliaAccording to my testing, HPW has varying decay rates
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06:33.48ReikosheaI've been googling for a while looking for info on UnitGetIncomingHeals. While testing on my pally in no gear this value is coming out lower than the lowest value given in the spellinfo. Any advice?
06:41.22mckenziemcAdys: [===[ says everything following it up to the matching ]===] is a literal string, hence why lua_bot spat out the middle
06:41.32Adysi know.
06:41.46Adysi was reading the tut :P
06:42.02Adys!api UnitGetIncomingHeals
06:42.03lua_botUnitGetIncomingHeals: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGetIncomingHeals)
06:42.32AdysReikoshea: what's it supposed to do?
06:44.26ReikosheaUnitGetIncomingHeals(player) would return the interface's expected incoming heal ammount
06:44.42Reikosheaits basically a blizzard created replacement for libhealcomm
06:47.08Adysits possibly just bugged
06:47.14Adysespecially since i havent heard of it till now
06:47.20ReikosheaI think it has to be used with the UNIT_HEAL_PREDICTION event if im reading the source for healbot correctly
06:49.31Reikosheamy best guess was that for some reason the hotfixes haven't been taken in to account or something, caue it's just a smidge off from what i'd expect
06:50.28AdysReikoshea: possibly :p
06:54.01Reikosheadont suppose there are any blizz trolls in this channel on a regular basis?
06:54.17Reikosheaor if there's a way to submit a bug report about the api
07:02.41mckenziemcmake a thread in blizzard's UI and Macros forum
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08:10.16Adys!api GetMerchantItemCostInfo
08:10.17lua_botGetMerchantItemCostInfo: Returns information about alternate currencies required to purchase an item from a vendor (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMerchantItemCostInfo)
08:16.15foreplayIs there a way to change button text color
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08:17.31Jerubhow did they even release the new web interface on guilds and whatnot in such a broken state :/
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08:27.20Adys!api getspellname
08:27.20lua_botCould not find a match for 'getspellname'.
08:28.41foreplayHey Andy, sorry about being rude the other day. I was frustrated as, had been trying to figure out what was wrong for hours.
08:28.47foreplayAdys*
08:29.16Adysive no idea what you're talking about
08:29.25foreplaylol
08:29.29foreplayalrighty then
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09:13.03ReiserFSi didn't kill my wife
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09:15.57mckenziemcunfortunate
09:16.36Arrowmasterhi Fisker
09:17.02Arrowmasterand old joke is old
09:17.13Arrowmasterand not funny
09:17.32ReiserFShey Arrowmaster
09:17.55ReiserFScan't spell lol'd without old you know
09:19.20mckenziemc"lawl'd"
09:19.29ReiserFSwho's that jnwhitehead guy?
09:19.34ReiserFSis he related to jnwhiteh ?
09:21.03Arrowmaster"Choose a security question that only you can answer." "What are the last five characters of your driver's license?"
09:21.14Arrowmasteroh really now? how is that a secure question?
09:22.07ReiserFSSQ/SA's should just be removed already
09:33.47mckenziemchey, it could be worse
09:33.58mckenziemc"what is the first character of your surname?"
09:37.44mckenziemcFiskers Fisker in the Fisker.
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09:50.03ReiserFSwhen do i get my damn guildchat?
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09:55.30krkaany mac-gurus here who knows what the equivalent of xwininfo would be on a mac?
09:55.51ReiserFShttp://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/33475 <-having 2 metas would be awesome
09:55.51krkai know xwininfo actually exists on macosx, but it doesn't show all windows
09:55.53mckenziemcrm /
09:55.59mckenziemc;)
09:56.09krkathanks, gonna try that!
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09:56.46mckenziemc... it was a joke
09:56.47mckenziemccrap
09:58.06ReiserFSbluspacecow:
09:58.11bluspacecowi is back from tron :)
09:58.56Arrowmasteri still need to go see that
09:59.14Arrowmasterclosest imax 3d theater is an hour away
09:59.18bluspacecowaaand its raining really hard
09:59.25bluspacecowi could hear it inside the movie theatre
09:59.33bluspacecowgot wet on way home :(
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10:03.31ReiserFSwhy do people enjoy having their memories as a child defiled by tron: legacy?
10:03.53cbreakReiserFS: can you be more specific?
10:03.59cbreakis it not a good movie?
10:04.15ReiserFShow would i knn
10:04.18cbreakit is obviously a different movie
10:04.20ReiserFSknow*
10:04.58bluspacecow.....
10:05.12ReiserFSyou usually stop at 3 bluspacecow
10:05.25bluspacecowReiser I grow up on that movie.
10:05.31bluspacecowAnd I enjoyed the movie :D
10:05.50bluspacecoweveryone is entitled to their own opnions about enjoyment of the movies they have watched
10:05.59bluspacecowand yes cbreak
10:06.03bluspacecowit was AMAZING
10:07.15Arrowmasterits just Fisker trolling
10:07.16bluspacecowIMHO of course.
10:07.19bluspacecowoh
10:07.22bluspacecowhes hiding >
10:07.23bluspacecow?
10:07.27bluspacecow~fiskertrout
10:07.29Arrowmasternot very well
10:07.39Arrowmaster* [ReiserFS] is logged in as Fisker-
10:08.23bluspacecowlogged in after that !
10:09.08Arrowmasterthats from /whois
10:09.15bluspacecowoh rly
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10:13.41ReiserFShence not hiding Arrowmaster
10:14.08bluspacecownow i know its fisker
10:14.20bluspacecowi'm scared as to what ReiserFS stands for
10:14.28ReiserFSit's a filesystem
10:14.34bluspacecowa full naked Reiser in Full Screen on an 80 foot screen ?
10:14.59Xyphoidoh wow you take pygmies as slaves
10:15.10ReiserFShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Namesys_and_ReiserFS
10:15.23ReiserFS10:15] == ReiserFS [573616d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.54.22.214] has joined #wowuidev
10:15.26ReiserFS[10:15] <ReiserFS> i didn't kill my wife
10:17.06ReiserFSget it bluspacecow ?
10:17.12bluspacecowyarrr
10:17.16bluspacecowyou clever troll you
10:17.21bluspacecow*tosses cookie*
10:20.18ReiserFSnom nom noms
10:21.14ReiserFShey Alram
10:21.22Alramwhat
10:21.23Alramhi
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10:26.01Adysfisker file system
10:26.10Kalrothoh shi
10:26.20Kalroth"STOP TROLLING ME, TEXT FILE"
10:27.25AdysA file system does not know the type of a file
10:27.29AdysYOU SHOULD KNOW THAT KALROTH
10:27.36KalrothFiskers would
10:28.06AdysFisker wouldn't recognize a text file if it had sex with it
10:29.01Kalrothwhere do you think he keeps his ascii drawings
10:29.56ReiserFSjpgs Kalroth
10:30.03ReiserFSso people can't steal my ascii work
10:30.06Kalrothworst filesystem ever
10:30.29Kalroththats like using VNC for dialup BBS'
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10:31.25ThraeReiserFS was good back in the day. Until better ones came along.
10:31.37KalrothIt happens
10:32.08ThraeThat and XFS were all the rage for a while.
10:32.18ReiserFSwell Thrae
10:32.28ReiserFSyou could say he haven't had much time to further develop on it
10:32.31ReiserFSziiiiiiiiing
10:32.41Thrae"Look how well they deal with these specific files!"
10:32.49ReiserFS(except it's open source, but gtfo)
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10:33.58ThraeI think btrfs was in very early development to make the first GNU ZFS-like file system, and ext4 was soon released and was pretty good.
10:34.17Thraes/GNU/GPL/
10:35.14Adysbtrfs is one of these things..
10:35.17Adyslike... gnash.
10:35.39ThraeFor most people it's either ext3, ext4, ZFS, or something proprietary.
10:37.19ReiserFSNTFS
10:37.26ReiserFSBest FS EU
10:37.43ThraeWell I was talking Non-WindowsNT.
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10:43.58AdysKalroth
10:44.02Adyshttp://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/12/19/sos.jpg
10:44.35Adyshow much do you think blizzard should pay players to test swamp of sorrows in alpha
10:45.29Kalrothwhat is that
10:45.40Adysa tree.
10:45.51Kalrothfilthy treehuggers
10:45.54Kalrothspreading their seed
10:46.30Adysspeaking of spreading seed
10:47.03AdysIm thinking of making a libtransmission plugin for blizzard's direct download
10:47.32Adys(What did you think I was gonna say you filthy treebugger?!)
10:49.50ReiserFSthat you were going to have your way with Kalroth
10:50.38KalrothAdys: thats a good idea, i might use it now that utorrent sux
10:50.58Adyswhy does it suck now?
10:51.34Kalrothversion 2.2 wants to install a "utorrent browser searchbar for torrents and other stuff"
10:51.46Adyslol.
10:51.54Kalroththey even deliver it in a way that'd make Real(tm) proud
10:52.32Kalroth"Do not check this box if you don't do not want to not install the search bar."
10:52.47KalrothAlso they're putting all kinds of skinning shit in it too
10:52.54ReiserFSi just clicked "No thanks"
10:52.56KalrothIt looks like eMule version 0.4
10:52.58ReiserFSseems to work here
10:53.10KalrothYou had to remove a checkmark first, Fisker
10:53.30ReiserFSmaybe from your mom
10:53.40Kalrothno, that was a hickey
10:54.30Kalrothyaay, MSE 2
10:56.07ReiserFSold
10:56.35Kalrothlol'd
11:19.04ArrowmasterTransmission seems too simple for me, i couldnt do what i wanted to with it
11:19.22ArrowmasterDeluge works great though
11:22.08ThraeI just use rtorrent.
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11:25.28airtonix...
11:28.50ReiserFSairtonix:
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11:31.34airtonixYes my loyal assassin ?
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11:33.48ThraeHmm should I get the Dragon Age 2: Bioware Signature Edition for 20% off?
11:34.22ReiserFSno
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11:36.03ThraeHow about 25% off?
11:47.26airtonixno
11:47.39airtonixyou should
11:47.40airtonixget it
11:47.43airtonixfor free
11:47.50airtonixpiece of crap game
11:47.54ThraeI paid the $48.
11:47.58airtonixthey should pay you to play it
11:48.05airtonixin fact
11:48.10airtonixclass action time!
11:48.27ThraeClass Action Suit against a game that's not even out yet?
11:48.28airtonixthe game killed my great great great grandson
11:48.41airtonixand my dog
11:48.54airtonixi think i deserve consideration
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12:01.23ReiserFSyou are a horrible person airtonix
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12:12.38ThraeCan anyone get https://www.mastercard.com/us/personal/en/cardholderservices/currencyconversion/index.html working? I want to see Mastercard's Euro -> USD conversion rates.
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12:13.50ThraeNevermind, I'll just assume Paypal is trying to rip me off
12:14.13ReiserFSNever ripped me off :(
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12:16.34ThraeNevermind, got it -- 1 Euro (EUR) = 1.322613 United States US Dollar (USD)
12:16.53ThraePaypal has it at $13.44
12:17.02ThraeFor 9.95 EUR
12:18.42cbreakpaypal's main objective is to rip off their clients
12:19.09cbreakthey randomly close accounts for some time so the balances can not be spent, they sometimes even close them
12:29.12AdysThrae: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=1+euro+in+usd
12:30.56Kalrothxe.net/ucc go
12:32.29ThraeAdys: That's not how currency conversion works in real life unfortunately. MasterCard and PayPal have different currency conversion rates which are similar, but not exactly the same. In this instance PayPal was more expensive.
12:32.52AdysThrae: thought you just wanted an estimate
12:33.31ThraeNah, I wanted an estimate of the comparison between the two :) But I found a UK site which uses MasterCard's rate.
12:33.50ThraeMineCraft for $13.16 USD instead of $13.44 USD
12:35.15Kalrothomigosh
12:35.52cbreakwhat's minecraft?
12:36.00cbreaksome random warcraft/starcraft clone?
12:36.48krkayes, exactly that
12:38.03Kalrothminecraft is lego online
12:39.50ThraeMinecraft is awesomesauce and has nothing to do with Warcraft or Starcraft :D
12:40.07ThraeIt's an indie title where you play a blocky character in a blocky world where you can mine and create things.
12:40.19ThraeLook up the 1 million videos on youtube.
12:41.25krkai am already a blocky character in real life, why would i want to play one in a game? :/
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12:53.53Log1xis anybody around who could lend me a helping hand? :) im trying to edit something small in this UI. it has the Player text above the unitframe and i'm trying to move it down ontop of the frame (i did it no problem with player frame, but it's not working as far as target goes) -- http://wowuidev.pastey.net/144112 Line 528
12:54.11Log1xit's still going above the unitframe even though i told it to go into the health frame
12:54.13Log1xD:
12:54.15Log1xidk what i'm defining wrong
12:56.09Log1xon line 87 i changed "panel" to "health" and it did exactly what i wanted no problems.
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12:56.47Log1xbut target frame is being blagh. ive tried multiple variations for the past 2 hours now and cant get anything to work >_< im new to lua. i know past languages and have been being able to edit stuff without a problem but this i can't seem to overcome
12:56.50Log1xso any help would be greatly appreciated :D
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13:11.56Log1x:[
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13:28.13ThraeLog1x: It's not going to exactly solve your problem, but I would strongly look into using oUF to make unit frames (the otravi Unit Framework). Lemme take a look.
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13:30.57ThraeLog1x: OK, there's a bunch of FontStrings here. It's just text you want moved around, correct? Look for everywhere it says "foo.Bar = TukuiDB.SetFrontString", where foo.Bar is what you want to re-position.
13:31.56ThraeProbably what you're doing is anchoring the frames instead of the actual FontString objects, or visa-versa. It can get confusing.
13:32.35Log1xi didn't personally make the ui. but its minimal and perfection in my standards other hten this small blemish in terms of the text
13:32.42Log1xit's actually useing oUF as a backend
13:32.50Thrae!api
13:32.56Thrae~api
13:33.21Log1xhttp://log1x.com/screenshots/2010-12-20_083309.png
13:33.27Log1xthat is what i'm trying to edit within the code that i pasted
13:33.36Log1xthe name/level, i just want to move it ontop of the unit frame
13:33.38Log1xand bam, perfect!
13:33.44Log1xi was able to do it with the health but the name is being weird
13:33.53ThraeLog1x: So you have http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#fontstring to deal with
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13:35.19ThraeLog1x: You need to manipulate http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint on the FontStrings. Note that "relativeTo" defaults to its parent frame, whicih may not be what you want.
13:36.50Log1xon relativeTo i set it to "health" -- shouldn't that have the same effect as it did above for the player unit frame?
13:37.15Log1xi feel as if the defintion of the "health" frame isn't being defined where im at down the code in terms of trying to get it on top of the target frame
13:37.25ThraeWhat is your exact line for SetPoint?
13:37.34Log1xName:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", health, "TOPLEFT", TukuiDB.Scale(4), 0)
13:37.40Log1xer, its supposed to be LEFT, LEFT
13:37.45Log1xi was trying random things in helplessness
13:38.20Log1xthe scaling is getting from the database so the framework works with all resolutions, that's irrlevent.
13:38.25Log1xi dont care if it works on all, just mine. :]
13:38.47Log1xI did the same thing I'm trying to do now with the "Player" frame and had zero problems. It's the Target frame that won't work. I can't get the text to just move down ontop of the frame.
13:38.55Log1xIt sticks above it no matter what D: i've been at this for hourrs
13:40.20ThraeLog1x: Try calling Object:ClearAllPoints() before setting your point, where Object is the name of the object.
13:40.42Log1xkk 1 sec :]
13:42.09Log1xnope. still on top. =(
13:42.57ThraeWell "BOTTOMLEFT", frame, "TOPLEFT" would put it on top.
13:43.25ThraeAre X and Y set to 0?
13:43.54Log1xyeah, both 0
13:44.02Log1xand i set it to "left",frame,"left" :$
13:44.17ThraeThat's going to put it on the left.
13:44.31Log1xwell that's fine if its on the left. i just want it left within the frame
13:44.40Log1xor anywhere within the frame for that matter D=
13:44.50Log1x(the target frame)
13:45.05Log1xbut im defining it...and it's just staying right above it. i dont understand >_<
13:45.13Log1xthe Player frame, i did this exact same thing im trying to do now no problem
13:45.47ThraeTry this -- Object:GetParent():SetPoint("LEFT", 0, 0)
13:45.55ThraeIt might be a frame within a frame.
13:47.21Log1xsame thing. D:
13:47.39Log1xwould a SetFontString instead of a CreateFontString make a difference?
13:47.46Log1x(createfontstring is the current)
13:49.18Log1xtried it. same thing. i mean, increase the font size, i see it increase, im definitely on the right thing
13:49.22Log1xbut no matter what i do...it doesn't move.
13:49.36Cidewil
13:49.39Cidemt
13:50.20ChaosIncWhat are you trying to do Log?
13:50.45Log1xOn this minimilistic compilation ive been using for awhile, I want to put the text (as seen here: http://log1x.com/screenshots/2010-12-20_083309.png) above the target frame, on top of the target frame instead.
13:50.56Log1xi did it with the player frame no problem, but target refuses to budge.
13:51.02Log1xoh, i did it with target health too.
13:51.05Log1xbut name just will not move. D:
13:52.11ChaosIncTry changing the parent to UIParent.
13:52.32ChaosIncSee if it move then
13:53.11Log1xis the parent the *:CreateFontString ?
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13:53.30Log1xthis is my first time in lua. i know other languages and just kinda using those to get an idea of how to edit stuff =P
13:53.58ChaosIncGimme a sec, on my phone.  Lemme log in on my comp.
13:54.11Log1xokay
13:54.55ThraeLog1x: Yes, unless CreateFontString was explicitly given a parent
13:55.02Log1xoh haha. when i changed it to UIParent, it shows the text without the target selected now
13:55.15Log1xso..it i guess seperated it from the frame?
13:55.18Log1xbut still isn't within the frame
13:55.18Log1xD:
13:55.20ThraeYep
13:56.34Log1xi put a few variations of number sin for ("LEFT", X, Y) but X & Y don't seem to do anything....i feel as if something is being set that i dont know about o_O
13:56.37Log1xunless that's normal
13:56.43Log1xand im just being noob :]
13:56.51Log1xbut if i did like -20 wouldn't it move it down?
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13:58.53ChaosIncInteresting.  Digsby doesn't support irc
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14:00.18ChaosIncBack to trillion I go
14:00.29ChaosIncTrillian*
14:01.14Log1xaahh! i moved it! :D but the unitframe has window priority
14:01.15Log1xhow can i change that
14:01.20Log1xso the text is on top
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14:01.37ChaosInc_there we go
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14:02.18airtonixCide, icanhazrage?
14:02.42ChaosInc_aight, now let's get your issue solved
14:03.12Log1xi made progress. :) my primary problem was that there is a function being defined in another .lua file, so! i finally got the text moved
14:03.21Log1xbut the target frame is now on top of the text
14:03.26Log1xso i need to figure out how to give it window priority x_x
14:03.32Log1xor frame, or whatever
14:04.14ChaosIncpastey?
14:04.25Cideairtonix: always
14:04.37Log1x1 ec :D
14:04.38Log1xsec*
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14:04.57Log1xhttp://privatepaste.com/4e6f69c9ff
14:05.05Lunessastation
14:05.05airtonixCide, you know, silence is the most inhospitable form of rage.
14:05.11Log1xthe above portion is the function i found in the seperate lua, and the bottom one is the main thing im working on
14:05.16Log1xin terms of moving it ontop of the target frame
14:05.38Log1xthe self.Name:SetPoint("LEFT", self.panel, "LEFT", 4, 0)  if i change it to 4, -20 -- it moves onto the frame but cant be seen as it is hidden under it
14:05.39Log1x:o
14:05.39Krapsairtonix: rage can be hospitable?
14:05.45airtonixKraps, indeed
14:05.51Log1xhope you understand that >_<
14:05.58Log1xtrying to explain best i can haha
14:06.02Log1xwith my limited knowledge :$
14:06.07airtonixKraps, rage can accommodate a wide range of functions
14:06.27KrapsE=mc2
14:06.31Amarandeairtonix: I think LPD even had a song once called "the war of silence"
14:07.01airtonixAmarande, does that not refer to a misinformation ?
14:07.13ChaosIncLog1x: so it exists and can be moved, it's just hidden behind the frame?
14:07.39ChaosIncKraps: E=mc^2 ;p
14:07.45Log1xyessir
14:08.06Log1xi can move it, all is well, i can setpoints or do what i please, but as of right now the actual target frame/healthbar is on top of the text
14:08.07Log1xD:
14:08.09KrapsChaosInc: semantics
14:08.15ChaosInceasy then.  you either need to change the layer or strata to bring it forward
14:08.40airtonixChaosInc, technically the former is still correct
14:09.07ChaosIncnot really
14:09.20ChaosInc(*2) ~= ^2
14:09.21airtonixOh i wasn't talking about your face
14:10.45ChaosIncLog: do you know what strata/layers are and how they work?
14:11.09Log1xyeah one sec i think i got it :D!!
14:11.21Krapsman airtonix why you gotta be so airtonix?
14:11.33ChaosIncI just brush him aside personally
14:11.51ChaosIncobvious troll is also fail troll
14:11.52airtonixDon't push me. I'm your bro
14:12.12ChaosIncpsh :p
14:12.30airtonixDon't make me call ya mamma
14:12.41ChaosIncoh please do.  I wanna see this lol
14:12.52airtonixysosrs?
14:13.43Log1xgot it! :D
14:13.44ChaosInchttp://s3.amazonaws.com/highfiber_morph/public/system/attachments/photos/867/Why_So_Serious_large.jpg
14:13.54Log1xtyvm
14:13.59ChaosIncnp
14:14.12airtonixYes. Thank-you ChaosInc .
14:14.14ChaosIncsome frames are just stubborn.  I learned this
14:14.28KrapsBURN! BURN IN THE MAKERS FIRE!
14:14.29airtonixlube works
14:15.29airtonixHow many more days till Tron is live ?
14:15.43ChaosIncthey have bugs to work out still
14:15.49LunessaIt is live.  I saw it this weekend.
14:16.04Krapslolwut
14:16.05airtonixLunessa, was it good for you baby ?
14:16.14LunessaI didn't even need lube.
14:16.26airtonixOh you doris.
14:17.01AmarandeBest flight approach as Alliance to fish in Orgrimmar in one piece?
14:17.18airtonixwhen no one is around
14:17.19ChaosIncnone
14:17.31ChaosIncgoing for the rare cheeve?
14:17.37airtonixcheese*
14:17.47AmarandeChaos: there's actually two where Alliance need to fish in Org
14:17.55LunessaAmarande:  Fish naked.
14:17.58ChaosIncoh?
14:18.15ChaosIncdid they add one?
14:18.32AmarandeChaos: you need a fish for fishing diplomat, and then eventually you need to get crafty
14:18.43Amarandealso, at this rate I am NEVER going to get Fish or Cut Bait. LOL
14:18.50ChaosIncah, yes.  I remember that
14:18.56ChaosIncgot both done
14:19.16ChaosIncmuch easier before Cata when the guards weren't all uber
14:19.31Krapshttp://comics.com/zoom/346278/
14:19.54ChaosIncyour best bet if you can't get in is just suicide flight to the area and rez in the pool
14:20.11Amarandeyeah, I've also been eyeing the building the Stocks instance is in to figure out the right way to get in there as Horde without being ganked, but that seems to be a lot easier
14:20.20Amarandethat one you can just swoop in and be in the instance before people know you're there
14:20.34Amarandethe gryphon guards don't really seem to go near that spot
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14:21.48Amarandeyou know, I think the fishing achievements are actually one of the few places where the achievement system definitely favors Horde.
14:21.54ChaosIncI'm a happy monkey though.  After chasing for an undead rogue for 4 hrs to snowflake finally got my year cheeve
14:22.09Amarandewhich seems to be rare, most achievements are either unbiased or you can see at least a slight bias towards Alliance
14:22.26ChaosIncdon't get me started on which way the game is biased towards ;)
14:23.03AmarandeFishing favors Horde, because there's a fishing spot in IF that's not near any guards or any usual player paths, and it's dirt easy to get credit for fishing in SW because the outer moat counts
14:23.31AmarandeThere's also that horde only fishing pole that was highly useful in the day when you still really actually needed fishing skill. :)
14:23.54AmarandeNow I don't think *any* of the fishing achievements require skilling up, apart from the Dalaran fountain ones and of course the ones for getting X points
14:24.02Krapshow about we dont get anyone started on ingame bias
14:25.05Amarandebut at this rate, I definitely *am* not going to get Fish or Cut Bait. LOL
14:25.08ChaosIncno, Amarande is right about the fishing.  much easier for the horde to get the "harder" cheeves
14:25.19Amarandethe fishing daily in SW has been the same one for like, three days in a row :p
14:25.37ChaosInchad that prob in Dal with cooking
14:25.47KrapsNeed for Speed™ Hot Pursuit is 35% off today in the EA store with a promo code
14:25.51Amarandeand I remember in Shatt back in the day it was Crocolisks in the City almost all the time
14:25.56Amarandewhich irritated me in so many ways
14:26.15ChaosIncso what, it's free now?
14:26.19Amarandemostly how to get it into my daily rotation without having to blow a hearth, since you had to drop down the portal into Org to do it.
14:26.35Amarandethat and I MISSED OUT ON AN ACHIEVEMENT BECAUSE OF THAT DAILY.
14:26.39Amarande*grumble*
14:26.55KrapsChaosInc: no?
14:27.37Krapswhoa they're already selling ME3 preorder
14:27.40Amarandeapparently, I had the luck to catch Old Crafty along with a damn baby crocolisk, at the time when there was the bug that kept you from looting both
14:27.48mikmahaste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/schitt_family_tree.jpg
14:28.12Amarandethe "this will bind to you!" warning prompt would never go away and you would never get to loot it no matter how many times you clicked OK
14:28.33mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/comicg040607.jpg
14:29.06Kalrothi dont get it
14:29.15Kalrothexplain mikma!
14:30.06mikmamikma is a funny person
14:30.09Krapsmikma is tought to explain
14:30.19Kalroth:(
14:30.21Krapstough*
14:30.34Kalrothexplain why the comic you just linked is funny
14:31.44ChaosIncaight, swapping back to my phone
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14:34.42ChaosIncI love my phone lol
14:35.19Chris`DChaosInc: I see verizon in your host, can't be that great of a phone =p
14:35.48Kalrothhaha
14:35.49ChaosIncBetter than my previous carrier, I assure you
14:35.53Fiskerhello Kalroth
14:36.00Amarandehmm, to figure out whether frost mages want haste or crit more.
14:36.02Chris`DI'm guessing it's a droid or a incredible, anything else wouldn't be worth mentioning... especially if your male
14:36.08Kalrothhej snuttebasse
14:36.16ChaosIncIncredible
14:36.18Amarandeit's a hard bargain, especially considering that this build has MoE.
14:36.30Amarandewhich refunds a substantial chunk of mana used on crits
14:36.46Amarandehaste is probably more reliable, but I'm not sure now it beats crit, and haste also seems a way to more often go OOM
14:36.46Chris`DThought so, I can't say I enjoy the Incredible much, cousin has one. I have a HTC EVO
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14:37.01AmarandeI should get a Droid
14:37.06ChaosIncand very true, none of the other phones were very impressive outside this and the X
14:37.07Thunder_Childi have the droid x on verizon, works fine for me
14:37.10Amarandewhich reminds me. is there an authenticator app for android?
14:37.20Chris`DDroid X is a nice phone
14:37.21Amarandeor do I have to go with the cursed iphone instead if I want that?
14:37.25Krapsthese are not the droids you're looking for
14:37.31Chris`DAmarande: yep, for android and iphone
14:37.33Thunder_Childdeath on battery life however
14:37.37Thunder_Child~lart Kraps
14:37.37purlhits Kraps with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha
14:37.37ChaosIncAmar: yes
14:37.44Amarandedroid it shall be when I get my next discount, then.
14:37.53airtonixlol incredible.
14:37.54AmarandeI wanted the Nexus S, but apparently that only gives 2G on AT&T
14:37.55airtonixlol
14:37.58airtonixFisker, i lol'd
14:38.02KrapsThunder_Child: today is the day!
14:38.03airtonixis loling
14:38.04Fiskeryou didn't airtonix
14:38.09Thunder_ChildKraps: indeed it is
14:38.23Amarande*hopefully* gingerbread will be on actual at&t phones by february
14:38.29Krapswe will celebrate our 100 games very soon
14:38.38Chris`DAmarande: You get it for free, it's created by blizzard and on the app market. You just have to remember that once you add it to your account, if you are removing the app for any reason; make sure you remove the authenicator from your battle.net first.
14:38.50Thunder_ChildKraps: there are about 3 million people that use steam
14:38.55Thunder_Childit's unlikely
14:39.10Chris`DI got locked into the crap, or more so locked out. Had to send a copy of my ID an other stuff to get it removed =(
14:39.11Krapslalalalalalalala i cant hear you
14:39.28ChaosIncWe ordered the X originally when we switched, but they role US it'd he another 2-3 weeks after we had already waited 2.  We settled for the Incredible instead since we already cancelled our previous service
14:40.24Chris`DChaosInc: should have picked you up a Droid 2 R2D2
14:40.28ChaosIncYou can also get mobile AH and some decent armory apps
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14:41.23Chris`DChaosInc: true, the mobile AH is pretty nifty, the cost for it isn't that bad either if your into the AH market on a normal basis
14:41.31ChaosIncOnly minor annoyance is sometimes it autocorrects to the wrong words, as seen in my previous comment
14:42.06Chris`DChaosInc: You didn't get Swype with Incredible did you?
14:42.12AmarandeChaos: to use mobile AH, you need your AH alt to be leveled to 10 right?
14:42.16Amarandeor did they fix that issue?
14:42.26Chris`DI know the EVO didn't have it, I just downloaded it and installed as a 3rd party heh
14:42.30ChaosIncI just use the free version to see when my shit sells
14:42.54ChaosIncAmar: nope.  My where is 5
14:42.59Amarandelast time I tried it via the web at least, it crashed and burned on a level 1 AH alt because as soon as you try to select the character so you can look at auctions it goes "nuh uh uh! that character no existy! it's not level 10!"
14:43.05ChaosIncwhore*
14:43.25Amarandebecause, at that point (it was still the old armory though) if the character was not on the Armory, you couldn't get to their auctions because you had to go through their armory page to get there
14:43.43Amarandeat least that's how it worked on the Web.
14:44.08ChaosIncI haven't had any issues
14:44.12Amarandebtw, do droids normally come with largish HD's or do they tend to rely on a Micro SD card to save stuff?
14:44.42ChaosIncThey're decent.
14:44.46cbreakHDs?
14:45.01Chris`DAmarande: I think ChaosInc is right, you might still have to be a lvl 10. All I have is 4 80s and a 30ish which I spread my auctions throughout each toon instead of walking a banker cuz I'm super lazy
14:45.04cbreakI hope they are not retro enough to actually use that tech in a mobile device
14:45.14ChaosIncHarddrive space
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14:45.39cbreakHard Drives are good for massive ammounts of semi-random access storage
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14:45.44cbreakbut they suck for mobile applications
14:45.59cbreakwell, of course you can do it as apple and many others have done years ago
14:46.10Amarandecbreak: not to mention I'm not sure what you need more than the 8GB or so an affordable micro sdhc card gives on a phone!
14:46.28AmarandeiPhone does it because a lot of music junkies keep loads and loads of music on their iPhone and carry just it instead of iPhone and iPod
14:46.36cbreakiphones also use solid state
14:46.38ChaosIncTrue, it is still recommended to use the card instead and leave the phone space for operations
14:46.39cbreaknot hard drives
14:47.02cbreakI think hard drives are only used in the really big multi media players, and actual laptops
14:47.03AmarandeChris: heh, I guess that means most AH alts will be blood elves or draenei now.
14:47.12cbreakand even there, solid state storage is on the advance
14:47.16Amarande(not that that matters for me Horde side, since my AH alt there already *is* a blood elf)
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14:47.47airtonixdoes the incredible have better gpu than the galaxy ? does it have amoled screen ?
14:47.50Amarandecbreak: mostly I was wondering if I would still have use of the micro SDHC card I have in my current phone when I get a droid. :)
14:47.53ChaosIncMine's human and BElf
14:48.13Chris`Dairtonix: It matters what "Galaxy" your talking about
14:48.20airtonixwhy
14:48.25Chris`DGalaxy S is a series of phones by Samsung
14:48.27industrialIs there a way to find the currently best geared people on the armory? I wanna peek at someone else's setup.
14:48.29airtonixyes ?
14:48.45AmarandeChaos: ouch, human
14:48.47Chris`Dthe Captivate, Epic, etc.. etc..
14:48.56industriallooking for enhancement shaman atm
14:49.00AmarandeI would go with Draenei for the simple reason that the BC races' 1-10 quests seem to be a lot easier to blaze through than the old races
14:49.13Amarandethough Draenei still isn't as ridiculously easy as blood elf
14:49.21nevcairielAll questing is easy
14:49.23industrialorc/troll 1-10 is still fastest right?
14:49.37airtonixChris`D, i9000dtgj3
14:49.37ChaosIncYeah, it was made in wrath when no one was in the capitals
14:49.47Amarandeindustrial: hasn't been my experience. Durotar involves a lot more downtime for walking around, things are more scattered
14:49.50Chris`Dthe Samsung Epic is a 1GHz Hummingbird CPU, comes with I believe it's a 16GB SD, has a 16mil color amoled gorilla screen
14:50.07airtonixyeah but its also supposed to have a nasty gpu
14:50.09Amarandethere's also a point where you only have above-level quests, which can get hairy on some classes
14:50.15Amarandethe worst was pre-4.0 hunters
14:50.17airtonixnasty as in nice
14:50.24ChaosIncLike I said, my mule is 5 and shows on mobile AH just fine
14:50.26Chris`Dairtonix: yeah
14:50.52airtonixunfortunatly it only comes with eclair
14:50.58Chris`Dairtonix: The Samsung Epic and the HTC EVO are pretty much the top 2 cell phones as of right now
14:50.59Amarandewhere you had to do that god-cursed castle on the east side of the zone, which was teeming with mobs and multi-aggro was difficult to avoid, quarters were tight with little room for ranged attacks before TARGET TOO CLOSE, and you didn't even have a pet then
14:51.17airtonixChris`D, what makes them the top?
14:51.40Chris`Dairtonix: Yeah, my wife has the Epic. Samsung was supposed to have pushed 2.2 by the end of this year, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
14:51.54Amarandeblood elf and tauren hunters were a lot easier to get going, because Eversong and Mulgore offer plenty of room pretty much all the time to be at sufficient range to kill or mostly kill mobs (depending on if you have the BoA bow) before they reach you even without a pet.
14:52.15airtonixChris`D, i have my suspicions that 2.1 is suffering interface slowdown problems
14:52.35airtonixstupid shit like the finger trace combination lock screen
14:52.35Chris`Dairtonix: http://www.talkandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/sprint-epic-comparison.jpg
14:52.42AmarandeI never liked starting a Tauren though, mostly because while I love the terrain in Mulgore, the zone is also huge and spread out and travel downtime slows things a lot.
14:52.52Amarande(And there's that damn quest with that damn patting kodo ... LOL)
14:54.01Amarandebtw. is it kew-dew, or koh-doh, or something else entirely? I've never quite been sure, and I've played horde for years :)
14:54.19AmarandeI've usually said koh-doh, but I'm not sure if that's right
14:54.45ChaosIncAight, time to stop being lazy and get to 85 now that I'm done with "It's been a long strange year"
14:55.00airtonixChris`D, o man a keyboard would be awesome
14:55.28Chris`Dairtonix: Like I said, wife has the Epic... I can honestly say it's not worth it.
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14:56.17Chris`DIt's a very light crappy built phone, a majority of that $249 w/ 2yr commitment is due to the cost of the 16GB SD card to say the least
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14:57.39AmarandeChris: oh wtf. they start making you buy the SD card under commitment now too?
14:57.48Amarandelast time I bought a phone that had a SD slot, the SD card was a separate purchase
14:58.03Chris`DAmarande: Nope, but that $249 surely isn't for the quality of the phone
14:58.03Luliajnwhiteh: You there?
14:58.15Chris`DIt's just like a hollow piece of plastic, the Epic is
14:58.34krkayay, froyo for my wildfire now
14:58.43Krapswaves at Lopeppeppy
14:59.04Luliahugs Lopeppeppy.
14:59.12AmarandeMorning Peppy :)
15:01.17Fiskertackles Lopeppeppy
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15:02.08bleeterBibi: TROLL!
15:02.15Krapstazes Fisker
15:06.18airtonixKraps,
15:06.28airtonixyou cant kill zombies with a taser
15:07.05airtonix12guage is the best
15:07.59LuliaHmm, apparently PlaceRaidMarker() is a protected function, which would force people to use the default raid UI in order to place world raid markers, that seems a bit silly
15:08.43Krapshttp://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express.aspx
15:08.56airtonixsolid slugs
15:09.02airtonixor spray and pray ?
15:09.27airtonixi would think solids
15:09.46airtonixyou really need to remove limbs or heads and not just cause pepper wounds
15:10.03Bibibleeter: totally
15:10.05Bibiand it feels so good.
15:10.14airtonixzombies don't move that fast anyway
15:10.38Amarandesay, is the Remington that makes firearms the same company that makes electric razors too? or are those different firms?
15:11.27airtonixKraps, http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express.aspx
15:11.31airtonix:(
15:11.37Krapswhat
15:11.38airtonixhttp://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/tactical-families/tactical-shotguns.aspx
15:11.42airtonix:)
15:11.45cbreakif you want to defend against zombies, just put soap on the floor
15:11.48cbreakthey'll never get up again
15:11.52airtonixhoho
15:12.03bleeterBibi: and here I was thinking you were going for your basic 101 twitter love fest angle
15:12.05Krapshmm
15:12.17Krapswhats the difference?
15:12.29bleeterBibi: which I do note did go rather well. grats ;)
15:12.58BibiI'm lovable bitches.
15:13.03LuliaAnyone know how to place raid markers on the ground with the default UI? All the icons are grayed out when I dont have a target
15:13.16Amarandegood grief, all these guilds that hit level 5 already
15:13.41Krapswow Bibi those guys are idiots
15:14.13bleeterkeeps 'em off the streets
15:14.32BibiKraps: but the rage! the delicious rage!
15:14.36Bibiit reminds me of the AH article to some extent
15:14.41Bibiwith 300 replies, 250 insulting me
15:14.50Krapswhat was that
15:14.53bleeterthat sounds good
15:14.55AmarandeI'm still wondering if goblins get a 20% discount from vendors that don't have a faction attached, or only if it's ones where you *could* get exalted with them.
15:14.58AmarandeHaven't rolled a gob yet.
15:14.58bleeterlink? :P
15:15.12AmarandeWondering if eventually bikes on Horde side would only be reasonably salable by goblins, though.
15:15.16Bibihttp://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/670853-Auction-House-Guide-Vanish-Bugs-Comics
15:15.25Amarande(Or for that matter, if bikes will eventually be hard to sell if you aren't in a level 24 guild)
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15:16.25airtonixKraps, are silenced rifles legal in america ?
15:16.36Krapsdunno
15:16.37airtonixhttp://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx
15:16.55airtonixmaybe suppressors are
15:18.54LuliaSo... no one knows how to use the floating raid icons? :P Or they just don't want to say how.
15:19.05airtonixit's a secret
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15:19.23bleeterBibi: It's very obvious your photoshopped gold in to your SS
15:19.36Krapsbleeter: inorite?
15:20.18airtonixshould of used gimp
15:20.25airtonixwould not have been as obvious
15:20.54airtonixinb4qq
15:20.57Krapsairtonix: where would i check to see if it was legal?
15:21.15airtonixKraps, get a piece of paper
15:21.18airtonixKaelten, and a pen
15:21.23airtonixKaelten, woops
15:21.26airtonix:L
15:21.33ThraeBibi: Sounds like a lot of Republicans found that thread.
15:21.35Krapsspam fail airtonix
15:21.38airtonixKraps, write yourself a note for tomorrow
15:21.50airtonix"Ask copper, if silencers are legal"
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15:22.02Kraps<PROTECTED>
15:22.11airtonix:)
15:22.15Krapsi dont know any "coppers"
15:22.31airtonixwhaaaats the colour of a two cent piece
15:22.47Bibi[16:18:39] <bleeter> Bibi: It's very obvious your photoshopped gold in to your SS
15:22.49Bibiwasn't photoshopped
15:22.50Bibi:(
15:22.53airtonixlol
15:23.05Krapsthere isnt one in US currency
15:23.05Bibiwasn't that impressive either tbh
15:23.06airtonixit was gimped
15:23.29bleeterBibi: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/670853-Auction-House-Guide-Vanish-Bugs-Comics?p=6807960&viewfull=1#post6807960
15:23.34Amarandeungh.
15:23.38bleeterBibi: I do believe I just trolled a troll :P
15:23.53ThraeBibi: Next, make a post saying Engineering makes a profit in Cata so I don't have to drop it to make money.
15:24.15airtonixgogo!
15:24.15ThraePeople won't fact-check if you say you can vendor the items for 2x they're worth!
15:24.27airtonix^
15:24.29nevcairiellol
15:24.32bleeterBibi: oo now there's a sideline, racketeering via posts on mmo-champ
15:24.34AmarandeGAH. guess it's endless book of glyph mastery farming time when I get to higher level on this scribe. :(
15:24.37ThraeIt's a forum post not a "news article" :D
15:24.38KrapsBibi: also that the alchemy mount is a really big moneymaker
15:24.52Amarandewonder if I'd be a favorite to hit 85 in Northrend if I farmed the books before going to Cata
15:25.04Amarandesince you need like 62-63 of them to get everything
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15:25.28AmarandeThrae: hasn't engineering made a small but steady profit since the bikes were included?
15:25.55Amarandethere's also a bow at 525, which is the only craftable bow in the game that I know of
15:26.01Amarandeat least, the only *good* one
15:26.02Bibihaving to hold 15k gold worth of mats for a small profit kinda sucks.
15:26.08Bibiespecially with % based fees at the AH
15:26.16Bibiit's poop!
15:26.19ThraeAmarande: Bikes spiked and then fell, and getting TO the bikes takes either a lot of money or a lot of time
15:26.24AmarandeBibi, that's probably why most bikes are commissioned rather than AH'd
15:26.37Bibiyeah but then you have to spend time spamming the trade chat, etc
15:26.38AmarandeThrae: not to mention once guilds start getting up there, you better belong to a highly active guild if you want any profit then
15:26.46Bibiit's not AFK AH anymore, it's a salesman job
15:26.52Amarandebecause on that cost, the level 24 guild perk will be of major significance
15:27.33Amarande10% discount means what ... 1250g less on vendor mats for the bike? yeah, that's going to all but kill profits for bikes for engineers not affiliated with such guilds when they begin appearing.
15:27.51Amarandeespecially since Cata probably reduced the profitability of them even further (what measure is a ground mount?)
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15:28.48ThraeMy plan is to get my main finally up to 85 then level up a new guy with gogo dual-gathering
15:28.59ThraeMine/Herb looks good
15:31.09AmarandeThrae: yeah, you actually CAN do that now
15:31.14Amarande<3 multi-tracking
15:31.43Amarandehowever, leveling isn't *that* tedious now
15:31.46Krapsairtonix: "Machine guns, automatic weapons, sawed-off shotguns, and guns with silencers are banned in many (states)."
15:32.13Amarandeindeed. some states think there is indeed a such thing as too much dakka.
15:32.24cbreakwhat is the deal with sawed off shotguns?
15:32.31cbreakare they somehow better than non-broken ones?
15:32.53Krapscbreak: would they be "shotgun with barrel less than eighteen inches"?
15:33.15Krapshttp://law.jrank.org/pages/11807/Gun-Control.html
15:33.17cbreakdepends on how much you saw off I guess.
15:33.35ThraeAmarande: Before I just hit a macro constantly to switch :D
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15:34.02karl_w_w!api getitemstats
15:34.02lua_botGetItemStats: Returns a summary of an item's stat bonuses (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStats)
15:34.10KrapsBibi: first rule of rare spawns: you do not talk about rare spawns
15:34.12Krapssecond rule of rare spawns: you do NOT talk about rare spawns
15:34.14cbreakKraps: guess sniper rifles are OK
15:36.05Thraecbreak: Without sniper rifles we don't stand a chance against the super-deer
15:36.56cbreakisn't that only in canada?
15:37.36ThraeThat's what they want us to *think*
15:38.30ThraeThe only problem with US gun control laws is that you can't go waving AK-47s in front of the White House, even though the 2nd amendment is about being able to hold your own militia to rebel against the government's or other's militias.
15:38.57ThraeApparently that's too big of a "security risk." Unconstitutional bastards.
15:38.57cbreakI don't think rebellion is legal
15:39.21ThraeRebellion is illegal, but being *armed for a rebellion* is legal. That's the 2nd amendment.
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15:39.46krkarebellion is only illegal if you fail
15:39.49KrapsThrae: how is "waving AK-47s" ok ANYWHERE? :/
15:39.54cbreakover here, we just have a militia instead of an army with people who actually want to do it
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15:40.13angayellehai peoplez, long time no see
15:40.16angayelleblame cata
15:40.21cbreakso there's a constant pressure on the government to allow us to deposit our machine guns at some military storage facility instead of at home
15:40.34Thraecbreak: You mean you have a draft militia? The US army is all volunteer.
15:40.44cbreakyeah.
15:40.47Thraeangayelle: I missed you so much I cried.
15:40.55angayelleorly ?
15:41.00cbreakunless you go to extreme means, or are female, you have to do military service
15:41.02ThraeNo, I don't know who you are.
15:41.08angayelleehe
15:41.09cbreakyou get a military grade machine gun and ammo
15:41.13cbreakand have to keep it at home
15:41.14Krapscbreak: where/.
15:41.14TC-Workcbreak: sexism?
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15:41.24cbreakswitzerland, and yes
15:41.33TC-Workfail
15:41.34Thraecbreak: Do transsexuals, gays, or gay transsexuals have to serve?
15:41.40cbreakdon't know.
15:41.43Krapslol you guys will never have a war
15:41.45Krapsever
15:41.57Amarandetrade ... "any guilds got the boas yet?"
15:41.59ThraeOh well Switzerland needs their militia to protect the secrets of their knives and watches.
15:42.04Amarandegah. people are already starting to troll for guilds based on the perks.
15:42.09TC-Workwdidnt the US just get rid of the dont ask dont tell policy?
15:42.15AmarandeTC: that they did
15:42.16cbreakwe send military off to other countries for "foreign aid"
15:42.16TC-Works/wdidnt/didnt/
15:42.29Amarandeand somehow, Joe Lieberman actually voted for the repeal
15:42.36ThraeWait, they did get rid of it? Last time I checked on Friday it was still in effect
15:42.37KrapsAmarande: and whoever invites them deserves whatever shit they get
15:42.39cbreakusually for some UN sanctioned blue helmet stuff, or to build bridges, water cleaning plants and that stuff
15:42.39Amarandewhich may be a sign of the apocalypse ... Lieberman actually doing something GOOD for once
15:42.52TC-WorkThrae: friday was when it passed the senate i think
15:42.58TC-Workoh, no saturday
15:43.12ThraeLieberman was probably tired of all the Droopy Dog parodies
15:43.28Krapsthey got rid of dont ask dont tell?
15:43.41Krapsthta was quiet
15:43.59ThraeIt was on a Saturday
15:44.05ThraeIt'll hit the fan today
15:44.22AmarandeI've never had much love for Lieberman, probably because I'm a gamer and he was one of the Fearsome Four game censorship advocates ... that and he started being a dog-wagging fool when Iraq was being proposed
15:44.30cbreakit was on the news on swiss radio :)
15:44.35Amarandethe guy was supposed to be a Democrat then ... he went with Bush on near EVERYTHING.
15:44.46Amarandeand then the voters in Connecticut voted for him again even when a different Dem got the official nomination!
15:44.52airtonix^http://imagebin.org/128758
15:45.11Amarandeand one of my cats died the day after Lieberman won reelection as an Independent, too. :|
15:45.12Krapsthe UN is terrible
15:45.24cbreakI like it.
15:45.32cbreakit's not too agressive
15:45.52Krapsright
15:45.52airtonixit's negligent
15:45.56Kraps^
15:45.59airtonixof it's own troops
15:46.07cbreakthe UN doesn't have troups
15:46.12airtonixwell
15:46.16airtonixthose who serve
15:46.18Amarandebut yeah, the game censorship stuff made me never have much love for Lieberman at all
15:46.24cbreakit can only ask member nations to send troops to somewhere
15:46.31Amarandeor for Hillary Clinton, the Gores, or Jack Thompson. (Well, nobody EVER really loved Jack Thompson.)
15:46.35cbreakand the member nations can say "ok, will do", or "no, buzz off"
15:47.09cbreakthe UN only gives some kind of "Legitimisation"
15:47.14cbreakor how ever that's spelled.
15:47.34airtonixthey also dictate the terms of the deployment
15:47.42Krapsi'm talking more about policy, or lack thereof
15:48.00AmarandeOn the good side, thanks to a batshit crazy guy who's going to jail (aka The Wikileaks Dude), Hillary's political career is more or less over now.
15:48.13Kraps<PROTECTED>
15:48.25cbreakprivate manning?
15:48.31airtonixhey we have this place here thats being fucked up by psychos with guns and knives.. so we need you to send troops there. but you're not allowed to take guns
15:48.51airtonixbritain: ok
15:48.59Jamashthis conversation is new and interesting
15:49.05Krapscan we have the next generation of politicians already?
15:49.08airtonixso they send all the people in civilan gaols
15:49.14airtonix;S
15:49.23airtonixhow fucked up is that
15:49.52airtonixwarden: you can serve in cyprus or serve out your prison sentence..
15:49.59airtonixprisoner: wait what?
15:50.14cbreaksounds like a movie plot
15:50.20airtonixtrue story
15:50.25Amarandeairtonix: heh, didn't they used to press prisoners into military service back in the olden days?
15:50.27cbreakI think there was one of those in "Justice League"
15:50.46Jamashhasn't the military always been the dumping ground for people too violent for polite society?
15:50.58cbreakthat was the foreign legion
15:51.00airtonixAmarande, britain used civilians who were in gaol as army recruits to fill out their UN quotas
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15:51.50karl_w_wcan't work out how the client knows an item has been reforged
15:52.07airtonixthe guy i know that recounted his youth said he went on to drive fuel tankers full of aviation fuel through cyprus under gun fire
15:52.14Jamashbecause the tooltip says "reforged"
15:52.23TC-Workflags?
15:52.39cbreakthe client uses internal info to fill the tooltips
15:52.55cbreakthat's why tooltip parsing is often the only way to find out something about the item
15:53.07cbreakthese days there are more modern ways, you can actually get a link to an item and parse that
15:53.19cbreakor maybe they even added an API for that in the last few years
15:53.31Jamashnah
15:54.08karl_w_wthing is GetItemStats returns the stats it had before being reforged
15:54.36Amarandeso, how long do you think before Blizzard licenses the Tigule & Foror's brand to a real ice cream company? :)
15:54.36cbreakthat's neat
15:55.17TC-WorkBlizzard flavored ice cream.  i wonder what would be in it
15:55.25Krapsice
15:55.40TC-Workthat would be the LK flavor
15:56.05Krapsso then
15:56.10Krapsvanilla
15:56.14Krapsmint
15:56.19Krapsice
15:56.22karl_w_wbugs
15:56.36TC-Workso bitter karl_w_w
15:56.37karl_w_wwww.instantrimshot.com
15:56.37Krapscherry?
15:56.45cbreakdid you read the ingredients for the chocolate cake?
15:56.56cbreakI would not trust any food blizzard even touched the name of
15:57.43airtonixits like
15:57.51airtonixthe jellybelly pack released
15:57.59airtonixpencilshavings flavour
15:59.41Kaelteng'morning
16:00.08Thraekarl_w_w: Interesting, I wonder what happens calling GetItemStats before and after reforging an item with random stats?
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16:00.26ThraeBecause those don't have unique IDs, AFAIK
16:00.28airtonixhttp://www.jellybelly.com/fun_stuff/beanboozled_flavor_guide.aspx
16:01.05ThraeMaybe it would make the server crash!
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16:01.21KrapsBaby Wipes?
16:01.29airtonixlulz
16:01.29karl_w_wsadly i dont have any items with random stats :P
16:01.51Krapswhy smell good but come on
16:01.55Krapsthey*
16:02.01ThraeAlso, question for someone who hasn't gotten up to 85 yet...how do you change your glyphs after 80? The Vanishing Powder only works <=80.
16:02.20ThraeI saw on the Scribe Vendors there's a 115g item. Hope it's not that!
16:02.20TC-Workthere is another one
16:02.40karl_w_wdust of disappearance
16:02.54LunessaThrae: Dust of Dissaperance, 10g/pop from Inscription vdendors or a a scribe can mae it.
16:03.09ThraeAh, 12g, not 112g
16:03.15karl_w_wthat's with exalted discount
16:03.41karl_w_wwisely I got to 81 then decided I wanted to change most of my glyphs
16:04.44Thraelol, they say people are selling the Dust of Disappearance on the AH for like 18g
16:05.29karl_w_wpeople will buy anything when they are too lazy/ignorant to go get it themselves
16:06.20Kraps^
16:06.23karl_w_wive probably made a few thousand just selling ancona chickens at 20g each
16:06.25airtonix^
16:07.18ThraeI'm always strapped for cash...I need to work on cash this time around =/
16:07.45airtonixI can offer you a street corner
16:08.03airtonixBring Your Own Stockings
16:08.10karl_w_wlol
16:08.18karl_w_wive just been doing all the cata quests
16:08.22Thraehttp://static.wowhead.com/images/blog/content/2010/december/druid_359_thumb.png <-- I really like the shoulders on this one
16:08.43Thraehttp://static.wowhead.com/images/blog/content/2010/december/rogue_359_thumb.png <-- however, the Rogue looks like a butterfly
16:08.49AmarandeThrae: I highly recommend clearing your glyphs before you ding 81 :)
16:08.59Amarandealso, how Dust of Disappearance has fallen :(
16:09.16ThraeAmarande: Yeah I've already re-glyphed myself multiple times
16:09.19AmarandeI cut my CRPG teeth on the Gold Box series. Back then, it was basically a one-use I.W.I.N. button for any one battle you cared to use it on.
16:09.25AmarandeNow it just removes a glyph. :(
16:09.49AmarandeGoing from being able to vanquish the Mulmaster Beholder Corps to ... removing a glyph. :|
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16:10.54AmarandeMBC, probably the most nightmarishly hard battle in any game at that point in RPG evolution, unless you used that dust and then it was silly easy.
16:11.00airtonixis gingerbread available for rooted phones ?
16:11.04AmarandeExcept you pretty much needed the dust for the final battle of the game. :|
16:11.18Amarandeairtonix: I think the only phone with Gingerbread right now is the Nexus S
16:11.19ThraeI would say from the current models of T11, the Druid, Mage, Priest, Shaman, and Death Knight look very good while the rest look very bad -- http://www.wowhead.com/guide=cataclysm&tier-11#.
16:11.30Amarandewhich can only be used in the US with T-Mobile and AT&T, that I'm aware of, and with AT&T you only get 2G.
16:12.06ThraeWhy do Warriors have a face on their belts
16:12.31AmarandeThrae: they're also using the male models. almost everything looks frumpy on male characters.
16:12.44ThraeAmarande: I mean females too
16:13.35airtonix:S the google maps app for chrome is just a link to maps.google.com
16:13.42airtonixfail
16:13.57Krapspriests have bowls of water on their shoulder...
16:14.05Amarandebtw, will there be time to get two or all three pieces of valor-point T11 without serious raiding, or will it have reverted to JPs by the time that many days pass?
16:15.52ThraeDKs are a mini-LK, Paladin T11 very oddly looks like the DK T11 set, the Warlock mask looks comical, the Warrior mask looks weird, and yes, the Priests do have bowls of water on their shoulders. Priests T11 looks worse than I thought it did
16:16.12ThraeBut I think Worst In Show definitely goes to the butterfly-winged Rogues. I mean...WTF?
16:16.46zenzelezzThrae: angels of death
16:17.50Thraezenzelezz: If you look at it, the design looks much more Arabic with a turban, neck bandanna, and a weird across-the-nose mask
16:18.33ThraeThe only race that can pull off the look are the Tauren Rogues and they don't exist as playable =/
16:19.56ThraeUndead also pull it off
16:20.01Kraps"Armor set + Undead = Achmed the undead terrorist..?"
16:21.35Amarandehmm
16:21.44Amarandethere are two helm and shoulder tokens for each class.
16:22.11Amarandeare they equivalent, or do you need one or the other for DKs and druids depending on whether you're tank/DPS/heals?
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16:23.08ThraeAmarande: You can only get the Hands, Chest, and Legs from VP.
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16:24.12AmarandeThrae: yeah, I'm just wondering if there's enough from daily heroics alone or if you won't get enough to buy anything significant without raiding before T12 comes out and they convert to JP
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16:24.39ThraeHmm, well let's see...
16:28.45ThraeAmarande: 75 VP per day per Heroic run. To get your first piece, the Hands for 1650 VP, you would need 22 consecutive days of running at least once per day.
16:29.36Amarande81 days for all 3, it looks like
16:29.38ThraeThe other two are 30 days each, so it would take roughly 3 months without raiding once to get the Hands, Chest, and Legs.
16:29.39sylvanaar_workyou can run the pvp boss
16:29.48sylvanaar_workwhich gives vp
16:29.53Thraesylvanaar: Ah, I didn't know that
16:29.56AmarandeWill tiers be generally lasting three months or longer or will they be pushing tiers fast this time?
16:30.12AmarandeI'm guessing they might slow up on content, because for one I'm not sure how they're going to keep expanding WoW after this
16:30.36AmarandeI keep thinking now that they're going to HAVE to give us the Emerald Dream for level 90, and then they may well be out of content unless they go IN SPACE! again like with Draenor/Outland
16:30.52sylvanaar_workthat might be the new MMO...
16:30.53Amarandeor find something to trigger another Cataclysm to redo the main world again
16:31.22Amarandesylv: do you really think most WoW players would migrate to a WoW2 where they have to start everything over from scratch
16:32.00AmarandeEspecially with Cata adding things like the guild perks that, even best case scenario require almost half a year to max out?
16:33.15nevcairielWho cares about that. New content is where its at
16:33.26Amarande(I think it was worked out that even if you capped guild XP every day, starting with Cata launch, you would still not be able to hit Mass Rez until April.)
16:33.33nevcairielAlso, they are free to invent new lore
16:33.36ThraeI bet this "Titan" MMO will be more hardcore and PvP-oriented, unlike WoW which is more casual-oriented with a mixture of other things in there to appease.
16:33.47sylvanaar_workhell yes people would move to "wow2"
16:33.56AmarandeI suppose WoW is likely to go on for a very long time, though, even without new content
16:34.08sylvanaar_workpeople still play EQ dont they
16:34.11AmarandeGuild Wars hasn't had new content in forever except for holiday hats pretty much, and I still know folks who play
16:34.21nevcairielEQ still gets new content, doesnt it
16:34.22Amarandethough GW also has a thriving PvP environment
16:34.34sylvanaar_workyeah it does
16:34.37Jamashpeople still play diablo II
16:34.40ThraeThe leaked schedule, if it's true or not, has 2 more expansions for WoW. They could be paid or free. Probably paid.
16:34.49Amarandea highly strategic PvP environment as well, and you don't see chess dying.
16:34.52nevcairielfree expansions?
16:35.02Fiskerhey nevcairiel
16:35.10AmarandeIt's been a hundred years since Capablanca's predictions of draw death and it still hasn't happened yet (although the proportion of draws does seem to be on the rise).
16:35.36sylvanaar_work2 more expacs? thats what 6 ish more years of live
16:35.45sylvanaar_work*life
16:35.48Thraenevcairiel: "Free Expansions" as in big content additions like Ruby Sanctum, old Blackwing Lair and AQ, etc.
16:35.58Amarandesylv: I'm still wondering what they're goign to include for one of those
16:36.01nevcairielruby sanctum was a big addition now?
16:36.09sylvanaar_workthats a joke
16:36.11nevcairielif you would've said ICC .. sure
16:36.12nevcairiel:p
16:36.15ThraeI believe the two expansions were scheduled for 2 years from now and 3 years from now
16:36.20Amarandewe still have Emerald Dream, which is pretty much probably a full expansion to itself
16:36.30Amarandenev: nah
16:36.31Lopeppeppydreams dreamily of the Dreaming.
16:36.33LopeppeppyAnd stuff.
16:36.36Thrae(again, from the unconfirmed leaked schedule)
16:36.36Amarandeeveryone knew ICC was going to be part of LK from the beginning
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16:36.43Amarandethe Tournament would be a better example of a "big content addition"
16:37.04sylvanaar_workplease dont mention that abomination
16:37.06ThraeWhat's at the end of Cataclysm?
16:37.11Amarandebut ICC, everyone knew was going to be delivered eventually.
16:37.11nevcairielICC got a full raid, 3 new 5mans
16:37.15Jamashcontent is content, it's all planned out years in advance
16:37.18nevcairielthats content :p
16:37.41AmarandeSo the Dream will probably be a full expansion (since it basically IS a full world)
16:37.50AmarandeI'm not sure where they can go after that though.
16:37.50nevcairielthats like saying, because they announced firelands, its not new content!
16:37.57Jamash^
16:38.11AmarandeWe've got the remains of Draenor, we've got all of Azeroth accessible now, we've got Northrend and they've filled in the middle parts too.
16:38.13sylvanaar_workyeah, i think new 5 mans might be a good yardstick for what qualifies as new content
16:38.26JamashI think you're insane
16:38.29nevcairielOh yeah, we're scheduled to kill Deathwing eventually, they said it already, so its old content :)
16:38.33Amarandenev: I meant, the Tournament was something they sprung on us without most people being aware before it was announced
16:38.48WicetAmarande, at least a major continent would be southern seas and Zandalar
16:38.50nevcairielthat distinction is silly
16:39.01Jamash^
16:39.05nevcairielAnd yeah, they still have places to fill
16:39.05Amarandewhereas when you buy LK or Cata, you expect that ICC/Deathwing raid are going to be in eventually by implication
16:39.08nevcairielor they event new ones
16:39.12nevcairielinvent*
16:39.15ThraeAmarande: Southrend
16:39.30Jamashso you're saying that when you bought WOTLK you expected to get tier 7 and 10 but 8 and 9 were surprises?
16:39.32AmarandeI mean, it's Wrath of the Lich King, it's in Northrend, would they REALLY then proceed to not let you defeat the Lich King, even if it's not in the starting content? :)
16:39.53AmarandeJamash: when I bought WOTLK, I did expect that Icecrown Citadel and the Lich King fight would be added eventually, yes
16:39.56nevcairielIt was also mentioned early enough that there will be an yet undisclosed raid
16:40.01nevcairielwhich turned out to be tournament
16:40.07angayelleis the slotid returned by GetInventorySlotInfo("slotName") a constant ?
16:40.15Amarandebut I didn't know about the tournament at all, and was somewhat foggy about how Ulduar would appear
16:40.18ThraeAmarande: You didn't defeat the Lich King. He wipes the raid, remember? ;)
16:40.26angayellei'd say yes but the way it's explained make me doubt
16:40.37Amarande(For one, I expected Ulduar raid to be "Halls of Foo" like the 5-mans, rather than just "Ulduar.")
16:40.43ThraeYour raid just kinda *led* to the defeat of the Arthas Lich King.
16:41.24JamashThrae: that's an even sillier distinction
16:41.30AmarandeThrae: the same could be said for any RPG where you fight the final boss beforehand and can't win until later. :P
16:41.32angayellemore precisely :  GetInventorySlotInfo("HeadSlot")
16:41.52ThraeAmarande: Halls of Reflection ;)
16:42.08AmarandeWould you say your party only "leads" to the defeat of Lord Soth, because in Death Knights of Krynn you have to fight him once at the tunnels below High Clerist, where you don't really defeat him, and can't actually do so until Dargaard Keep?
16:42.23Amarande(And even AT DARGAARD KEEP you don't kill him in the battle, you still have to use the plot coupon on him after that, although that's automatic in scenes.)
16:42.26Jamashwhat the hell are you talking about
16:42.42AmarandeJamash: old, old AD&D Gold Box game
16:42.44airtonix(he's run out of lube)
16:42.49Jamashokay
16:43.05AmarandeYou could say you don't defeat Tyranthraxus in Pool of Radiance, too
16:43.27JamashYou could say you were the king of spain
16:43.28Amarande(because he comes back for the next game ... and even then, you have to (automatically) use a plot coupon on him after you beat him in battle so you can argue the "you didn't defeat him" thing there too)
16:43.31ThraeUnlike LK which mostly just sits there and is all bad-ass, at least Deathwing is actively destroying Azeroth
16:43.36nevcairielApparently you also didnt defeat Nefarian, even though you cut off his head
16:43.51JamashI wondered about that
16:44.10airtonixreptiles grow stuff again
16:44.16Jamash"head on a pike" is pretty definitively dead in my book
16:44.26Thraenevcairiel: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IGotBetter
16:44.30airtonixmaybe his brain is in his ass
16:44.34airtonixdeeeeeep
16:44.39AmarandeThrae: I guess we'll see nev in a few weeks now
16:45.02Amarandeyou linked tvtropes :)
16:45.10ThraeMaybe you did kill him, and now you fight UNDEAD NEFARIAN
16:45.24airtonixUNDEAD NEFARIAN WITHOUT HEAD
16:45.27airtonixooooo
16:45.35AmarandeOTOH, I suppose you *could* argue that you didn't defeat the Lich King
16:45.38ThraeDeathwing gave him a new head
16:45.49airtonixUNDEAD NEFARIAN WITH DEATHWINGS HEAD!
16:45.50Amarandebecause there must always be a Lich King, so you just released Arthas' soul and got him replaced in the job
16:45.52ThraeGood thing I put "new" in there
16:46.05airtonix:(
16:46.14airtonixbeheads Thrae
16:46.31ThraeAmarande: Yeah, but the new Lich King isn't actively trying to destroy the world, so...I guess you can say you defeated *The Scourge*
16:46.46AmarandeOther games where you don't actually *defeat* the final enemy, arguably ...
16:46.51ThraeOr at least minimized it greatly
16:47.12AmarandeThe first Ravenloft AD&D computer game. You can never actually permanently defeat Strahd von Zarovich, because he reforms endlessly as part of his curse.
16:47.40WicetIt can also be argued wether being able to kill the same boss again next week counts as actually defeating the boss
16:47.48AmarandeWicet: that's a game mechanic
16:47.56airtonixso is your face
16:47.59ThraeAre there actual immortals, as in cannot be killed, in WoW Lore? Are the Titans suppose to be truly immortal?
16:48.00Amarandethe examples I've been giving are actual in-world continuity
16:48.20AmarandeThrae: we'll probably find out that out if and when Sargeras becomes a raid boss
16:48.24ThraeDragons are undying but not immortal I thought
16:48.35nevcairielWe can kill dragons just fine
16:48.50nevcairielNight elves used to be undying, but they gave it up for giggles
16:48.54WicetI guess it would not be impossible to alter game mechanics in a way that any given person could only defeat any given boss once
16:48.54ThraeAmarande: Yeah, and that will probably happen in the Emerald Dream where he currently resides, cast into The Nightmare
16:48.56airtonixsays the guy who stands in fire
16:49.05Amarandenev: night elves die when they are killed, it would seem
16:49.09WicetIt would just be rather pointless
16:49.14AmarandeI'm not sure they've ever ruled they no longer never age to death, have they?
16:49.39nevcairielThey lost their immortality when the world tree was destroyed, iirc
16:50.05ThraeWicet: I wouldn't say it would be pointless; especially with this whole "Realm First" thing. You could just have some evil, omnipotent force resurrect the boss.
16:50.12ThraeIn the olden days we called them the Dungeon Master.
16:50.20WicetThrae, :D
16:50.20AmarandeThrae: That's actually what basically happens with Strahd in Ravenloft. :)
16:50.34AmarandeHe's cursed to be *eternally* punished for his ill deeds. This includes being eternally resurrected every time he is killed.
16:50.48AmarandeAll the Ravenloft domain lords pretty much have that trait, if I recall.
16:50.58AmarandeYou don't get released forever until the Powers decide they want to, if they ever do.
16:51.15ThraeSargeras is kinda like WoW's Dungeon Master. He personally led to the creation of all the baddies. And he's supposedly immortal.
16:51.20Wicetnevcairiel, what about the healing process of Nordrassil, even without the blessing of the bronze dragonflight?
16:51.41AmarandeIt's also why you can't kill Lord Soth permanently without a plot coupon, even before he became a Ravenloft domain lord (which is probably what the plot coupon actually did, banish him there).
16:52.25ThraeAlthough if there's a raid where you end up fighting Sargeras, I want to beat up some different Titans first in some form or another.
16:52.37ThraeBecause they're the real reason Sargeras got all evil in the first place.
16:52.57AmarandeThrae: A raid where *everything* is like Algalon.
16:53.01zenzelezzThrae: that would be cool; teaming up with Sargeras against them
16:53.04AmarandeHeh. A heroic only raid? That would be neat.
16:53.30ThraeAmarande: Yeah :D You get to team up with Elune!
16:53.57WicetIt can however be questioned if titans should be killable at all since all the bosses so far have been more or less the same level of power and badness where as titans would just go way over that (if not in bad then at least in power)
16:54.00Thraezenzelezz: I think teaming up with Sargeras would only work if you go back in time to when he's less evil incarnate
16:54.14AmarandeWicet: no, bosses have hardly been the "same level of power and badness"
16:54.28zenzelezzThrae: nah, we all just go evil!
16:54.48ThraeActually, Good Sargeras From The Past vs Evil Sargeras From The Present would be cool
16:54.50Amarandeyou could argue that Yogg-Saron and C'Thun are far above any other raid boss ever that way, with the only one possibly being anywhere close being the Lich King
16:55.01WicetLich King, C'Thun, Deathwing eventually - none which could destroy the world at will
16:55.09Amarandeand YS and C'T are actual gods. The only reason the Lich King is anywhere near them in power is because he has the infinity plus one sword.
16:55.12zenzelezzIf I'm not you, and you're not me, then who am I?
16:55.28AmarandeWhich would be like claiming that a mortal with an artifact in D&D is the equivalent of a real god.
16:56.03ThraeAmarande: I thought it was more the "Spear and Magic Helmet" thing from that famous Bugs Bunny opera.
16:56.07AmarandeBesides, the Lich King built his fortress out of Yogg-Saron's poop, so basically Yogg is WAY above him on the real totem pole. :)
16:56.21Amarande(Plus, Yogg25+0 is often regarded as having been harder than LK on any mode.)
16:56.57WicetThat doesn't change the fact that titans who locked yogg away are still higher up
16:57.23LopeppeppyTitans rock.
16:57.23ThraeSee the thing is, we're equating their power in the *mortal realm*. The LK might be more powerful on the mortal realm because the LK power attaches itself to a mortal. Yogg-Saron didn't fully enter the mortal realm and still kicked people's asses.
16:58.20ThraeWhat you probably "killed" in the Yogg-Saron was just a mortal representation, and the immortal, undying, god of madness is still out there waiting for another chance.
16:58.20WicetHaving a raid boss outside of so called mortal realm would be rather... weird - at least in terms of game mechanics don't you think? :P
16:58.51ThraeWicet: Cataclysm already introduces one very visible boss that exists in two different realms -- Ragnaros
16:59.15Thrae"You thought he was a level 60 raid weakling, but that wasn't his true form!"
16:59.37ThraeRagnaros was weak in Molten Core Vanilla Edition because he couldn
16:59.53Thrae...couldn't fully materialize in Azeroth.
17:00.04WicetOr he just is everywhere with lava in it (and thus connection with the Azeroth's core=?
17:00.09zenzelezzThrae: so you're saying... Ragnaros transferred realm? lulz!
17:00.11WicetIs or could be that is
17:00.43Thraezenzelezz: Ragnaros tried to transfer realm but got hit with a 35 level penalty =/
17:01.16LopeppeppyHarsh
17:01.50Thrae"I would have defeated you if I didn't lose those 35 levels! Gaaarrrgh" -- Ragnaros's dying words in the original MC
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17:02.10WicetThrae, :D
17:02.27AmarandeYeah, I don't think the 400 million HP version from Hyjal would have worked at 60.
17:02.34AmarandeSome bosses you just have to defeat before they fully manifest power.
17:02.38AmarandeGiga-Graviton, anyone? ;)
17:03.21ThraeI hear Deathwing already hits people for ~80 million damage (literally, ~80 million). I wonder how he's going to get debuffed :D
17:03.46WicetIn terms of timeline these what, 6 years, might be well enough for Ragnaros to gain some of the power he missed back in the day
17:04.12ThraePOWER UNDERWHELMING
17:04.33ThraeCataclysm should include more Blizzard memes.
17:06.27ThraeLike this encounter: You fight a boss that can one-shot-kill you randomly, except when that happens a friendly spirit resurrects you with a small penalty. Every 5 times the boss kills someone like this, the boss yells "Ding!" and gets stronger.
17:07.01durcynzul'gurub was a crap zone, if we're honest
17:07.07LopeppeppyI loved Ding!
17:07.20LopeppeppyWho was it who occasionally would yell back, Gratz!
17:07.34ThraeAt low health, the boss yells "MAX/MIN FTW!" and enrages.
17:07.37zenzelezzJin'do
17:08.32FiskerLopeppeppy
17:09.24ThraeSince you already beheaded Nefarian, you should have to kill him like 5 times in the raid. Each time he resurrects and yells "Aha! I got better!"
17:09.46AmarandeThrae: heh, shades of Dark Yojimbo :)
17:10.03Amarandeexcept I don't think Nefarian has a 100% guaranteed Game Over overdrive, either
17:10.15ThraeAmarande: Heh
17:10.29FiskerWicet you jerk
17:10.39ThraeThey already used the Black Knight meme so they can't recycle that with headless Nefarian
17:10.39Fiskerlearn2lore
17:10.45Amarandebtw, you folks who recognize FFX: is the Giga-Graviton Sin gives you a game over with if the fight goes on too long, the same thing he uses on the people at Mushroom Rock?
17:11.09FiskerFireFox 10?
17:11.14zenzelezzThrae: "I chopped your head off!" "No you didn't." "Yes I did, it's right there!" "... it's just a flesh wound."
17:11.15LunessaCurse you Symantec! Curse your back-up client/server software!  From Hell's heart, I stab at thee.
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17:11.22Amarande(also, that fight is interesting design wise as being one of the few non-MMO examples I know of of a fight with a hard enrage)
17:11.40Thraezenzelezz: Yeah, but they already used that :D
17:11.51zenzelezzThrae: but Black Knight wasn't worthy
17:12.03Amarandeindeed from that era the only other non-MMO hard enrage I can remember is Izbelah in Icewind Dale 2 (and GODS THAT FIGHT SUCKED)
17:12.05ThraeThey *could* do an original Legend of Zelda homage and have Nefarian's head float around shooting at you.
17:12.20railbaitHello, is there a list somewhere of the various @ targetting functions for a macro? Everyone knows @targettarget, @player, @focus. Are there more?
17:12.51Amaranderailbait: there's one for target moused over, but I can't remember the syntax
17:12.59Thraerailbait: You can add "target" to anything supposedly an infinite number of times, which is determined by the client crashing if you do it too much
17:13.09ThraeRight, @mouseover, @mouseovertarget, @mouserovertargettarget
17:14.07railbaitCool. I was using target=self, but am updating my macros. I keep wanting to enter @self, as @player _almost_ feels like someone other than your character, but that wouldn't make much sense
17:14.12alestaneLunessa, I've lost count of all the times Kat's been reduced to swearing at Symantec ANYTHING, especially backup solutions.
17:14.41Amarandelet's see, any update for pitbull?
17:14.42Amarandeno?
17:14.42ThraeNote that [@mouseovertarget, harm] will check if your mouseover's target is harmful.
17:14.44Amarandeback to x-perl then :(
17:14.51Amarandeunless someone can recommend a better unit frame addon
17:14.53ckknightcan an EU person tell me what GetCVar("realmList") returns?
17:15.10Thraerailbait: I believe @self and @player are the same
17:15.10railbaitThrae: Yes indeed :-)
17:15.34Lunessaalestane: Right now, I would gleefully burn their corporate HQ with napalm 'cause I'm so frustrated.
17:15.36Amarandeactually, is there ever any real need for full party/raid unit frames or should Grid be good enough for anyone?
17:15.45Lopeppeppyhuggles Lunessa
17:15.45ThraeAnd there's pet and party 1-5 and raid 1-40 and raidpet 1-40
17:15.51ThraeAmarande: PerfectRaid FTW
17:15.58Amarande(and that reminds me also, as I play a mage frequently now, I should get Clique, too. I seem to find myself using Remove Curse often enough to warrant it.)
17:16.01ckknightAmarande: what's wrong with PitBull?
17:16.05alestaneYeah, that sounds about right. From what I hear, Symantec Backup is nothing less than in invention of the devil.
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17:16.17Amarandeckknight: there's still been no update since 4.0.3a to fix the party change screwup bug
17:16.18ThraeHovercast with Clique is awesome
17:16.41Amarandeckknight: any time your party or raid membership changes while you're in it, the frames end up wrong until you reloadui or go through a zone transition with a loadscreen
17:17.07Amarandeit's becoming annoying in cata with the frequency of people bailing from dungeon groups
17:17.32Amarandeand I'm still not sure what changed in 4.0.3a to break it
17:18.27ThraeWith "[@mouseovertarget, harm, nodead] Growl; Growl" and Hovercast enabled I can either mouse over a friendly member or mouseover a mob and click my SHIFT+Left Mouse Button binding to taunt off.
17:18.50sylvanaar_workAmarande: run with guildies
17:19.10ThraeYeah, stop using the addon in ways not intended
17:19.12Amarandesylv: not always an option, at least not runs in quantity enough to farm significant JP or get elusive drops
17:19.28AmarandeThrae, it was fine in 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 pre sundering
17:20.32AmarandeI'm also wondering if they hotfixed Mograine yet
17:20.41Amarandehaven't had a character at SM Cath levels since that one run
17:21.47AmarandeI'm also thinking my UI could stand to be made more elegant, and perhaps more keyboard reliant.
17:22.01AmarandeI probably *really* don't need six rows of bartender action bars on screen all the time ...
17:22.50Amarandeconsiders whether it might be a worthwhile MMO gaming investment to get one of those old style keyboards that have 24 F keys.
17:22.52ThraeAmarande: Blame Deathwing
17:24.30LopeppeppyProbably?  *laugh*
17:25.12Kraps~seen Shirik
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17:28.36Fiskernevcairiel
17:28.41Fiskeri saw sandy bridge appearing in stores
17:28.42nevcairielFisker:
17:28.46Amarandethough it seems most 122-key keyboards are targeted at the POS market and I'm not sure how compatible they are with Windows 7
17:28.56Amarande(WoW will handle keybindings to any key that Windows knows about, right?)
17:29.08nevcairielI rather have more details on the mainboards
17:29.38AmarandeAlso, I need to figure out some way to rely less on right-hand keybindings :S
17:29.48Fiskerwhat details nevcairiel?
17:30.01AmarandeI found it somewhat clunky (though I managed it) to be on interrupt duty on say VDW, because I ended up having to assign Mind Freeze to 0
17:30.08Amarandewhich is not the most convenient key for me to hit with my left hand
17:30.12Amarande(and my right hand is usually on the mouse)
17:30.42Fiskersuuuuure it is
17:30.44Krapsi have a burning urge to get myself a "nerd closet"
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17:32.42AmarandeFisker: with battles like vdw as a DK, especially with that we were melee class light, I tended to be moving around like a chicken with its head cut off
17:32.46Amarandeso I was pretty much always on the mouse
17:32.51Amarandeunless you want me to be a keyboard mover *shudder*
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17:34.42FiskerAmarande i was suggesting you were using the right hand to masturbate
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17:35.17Krapsamg fis
17:35.20Krapsker
17:35.33Fiskeri know Kraps
17:35.37Fiskeri'm gods gift to comedy
17:35.57Krapshttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle0t9r68ih?from=Main.Dontexplainthejoke
17:35.59Fiskerjnwhiteh
17:36.36AmarandeFisker: Yeah. I know, you were using a tired old joke :P
17:36.57Fiskerpoint 3 Kraps
17:37.14Amarandedammit. this keyboard looks pretty nice but I can't find out if it works with 7. like I said, these type seem to be more targeted to the POS market, and I'm not at all sure what OS they normally use there.
17:37.25KrapsFisker: i admit, i lol'd
17:37.38Amarande(also, are there certain keyboards that cannot be used for gaming at all, because their programmable drivers will trip warden/VAC/etc. and have you banned as a cheater?)
17:37.46Fiskerhow can a keyboard not work with any OS?
17:37.50Fiskerlike except iOS
17:37.50Lopeppeppy(of course there are, amarande)
17:38.17LopeppeppyThe answer is not to use the programmable keys to do things that you cannot natively program with a macro INSIDE OF WOW ITSELF!!
17:38.19Kraps(why are we using parentheses)
17:38.26AmarandePeppy: heh, probably especially VAC. I still remember hearing about that video driver fiasco with Steam.
17:38.38Fisker((I used double parentheses, it's so intense)
17:38.40Fiskernooo
17:38.43AmarandeYeah, I was more wondering if in such cases simply having the driver loaded makes Warden think you have an illegal program
17:38.46LopeppeppyI usually assign a macro to an obscure set of keystrokes, and then keybind that set of obscure keystrokes to one of the "extra" keyboard macro keys.  All set.
17:38.51Kraps~fail Fisker
17:38.51purlFisker: FAIL!
17:39.46AmarandeI'm not sure how smart Warden is, although it seems to be pretty low level seeing that some AV (especially Comodo) force you to twist their arms with exceptions to not have  WoW (and SC2 apparently) not crash out with an AV complaint of "shellcode injection"
17:40.46LopeppeppyYou rolls your dice, you takes your chance.  Don't use it to do things against the ToS, and then if you are falsely identified as positive, you can challenge them and get your account reopened!
17:41.53Krapsit wants its precious
17:42.45LopeppeppyOf course it does, and it wants to eat it too, and have nobody care.
17:43.11AmarandeI have to wonder how these raiders with UIs that don't even really show action buttons at all do it
17:43.34Krapsclickcasting and mousover
17:43.41AmarandeLike I said, lots of mobility fights lately (even in 5-mans now), one of your hands has to be on the mouse most of the time during combat, which really reduces the amount of keys you have available to use
17:43.45Krapsplus hotkeys
17:43.51Lopeppeppykeybinds.  click casting.  bars that only show in certain conditions. bars that show on mouseover.
17:44.05AmarandeI'd say anything east of 6/T/G/B or so, is probably too inconvenient for anything you need to use often in raiding
17:44.06LopeppeppyI can do TONS with just my mouse and Clique.
17:44.43AmarandeYeah, I'm definitely getting Clique soon
17:45.01LopeppeppyI have worshipped jnwhiteh since I discovered it.
17:45.06alestaneI can handle 5-mans pretty well, but if I got into raid healing I'm pretty sure I'd need it.
17:45.10KrapsAmarande: using just grid and clique
17:45.14AmarandeIt wasn't so important on the DK (although maybe I could have used it for mouseover interrupts?), but on the mage I find that it would help with Remove Curse.
17:45.27Krapsfor healing
17:45.28AmarandeAnd probably mouseover interrupts, too
17:45.32LopeppeppyYup.
17:45.41alestanebiab, system updates.
17:45.44AmarandeAnd mouseover sheeping.
17:46.04AmarandeYeah, a class that actually has a dispel, interrupts, *and* CC. It'll be useful now.
17:47.57AmarandeI have to wonder if that's one of the reasons for the decline of DKs since Cata
17:48.16AmarandeNot only is Cata ruthlessly mean to melee DPS, but DKs have a lot less utility than other classes it seems, since they came from an era where it was not needed
17:48.25Amarandeor at least, not to the degree from vanilla, BC, or Cata
17:48.33kd3whee; internal mail database error
17:48.37kd3haven't seen one of those in a while
17:48.47Amarandefor one, we don't have *any* CC, while I'm pretty sure just about every other DPS class (maybe even every other class?) does
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17:49.20nevcairielFisker: i take everything back, the 1155 mobos actually showed up on the gigabyte page
17:49.33AmarandeEven Frost spec, you have ... a lukewarm snare, and yeah one CC thing but it's AoE, only works for 10 seconds and on a minute CD
17:50.07Amarandekd3: I get those fairly often :S
17:50.14Amarandeusually when I'm looting a large number of AH sale mails in a row
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17:50.41LopeppeppyDoes this teach us not to loot large amounts of mail all at once?
17:52.28Amarandehmm. are shifted/ctrl'd/alt'd F keys bound by default at all?
17:52.46KrapsLopeppeppy: no, it's obvious that blizz sucks at making games
17:54.55Kraps<PROTECTED>
17:54.59Amarandehmm, do unit frames conflict if you use more than one such addon?
17:55.31Amarandelike, can you use pitbull for your personal frame and your pet/focus/targets, and then grid for the rest of the raid or does that tend to work badly?
17:56.32LopeppeppyI've done that in the past.
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17:56.53LopeppeppyYou can configure Pitbull to look very like Grid, however, if that's what you want to do.
17:57.01Amarandeseeing as pitbull still seems to work perfectly apart from no more buff clickoffs (which is unavoidable now, unfortunately) and the wrong party bug
17:57.19AmarandeActually it was because I still rather like Pitbull for my personal frame/solo use, and it's still working 100% there
17:57.27Amarandebut I need something that's going to stop cacking up when people join/leave groups
17:57.47LopeppeppyIs that the addon's fault, or is Blizz still makign changes that authors can't keep up with?
17:58.07AmarandePeppy: it looks like something in the 4.0.3a patch caused it
17:58.17Amarandeit worked fine in 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 then developed the glitch in 4.0.3a
17:58.30Amarandeand apparently the author must be busy as it hasn't been updated since the Sundering
17:59.42nevcairielFisker: do i need a NF200?
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18:01.06AmarandeStill no Atlasloot update for Cata crafting items?
18:03.01Fiskerdo you need more than 16 pcie lanes?
18:03.19nevcairielmaybe in the future!
18:03.19nevcairielhm
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18:05.33Fiskerhey nevcairiel
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18:08.41Gagoriannevcairiel: http://www.techspot.com/news/41643-intels-sandy-bridge-processors-have-a-remote-kill-switch.html
18:08.43Gagorianseen that?
18:09.06KrapsCaptain Hammer: 'Cause she's with Captain Hammer. And these — [lifts fists] — are not the hammer. [walks out]
18:09.07KrapsDr. Horrible: ...
18:09.09KrapsCaptain Hammer: [walks back in] ...The hammer is my penis.
18:09.16GagorianI'm not sure I'm too happy about that
18:09.49Fiskerold Gagorian
18:09.54nevcairielSure i did, but what would intel gain from disabling your cpu? :p
18:10.11Fiskerthere's been similar stuff in laptops for ages now
18:10.22GagorianIntel? Nothing
18:10.35GagorianBut I'm sure someone could figure out a way to exploit that
18:10.55nevcairielThere isnt even info out now how to tell the cpu to turn itself off
18:11.01Gagorianhttp://antitheft.intel.com/Libraries/Documents/Intel_R_Anti-Theft_Technology_-_Technology_Brief.sflb.ashx
18:11.09GagorianThat's what intel says about it
18:11.42Fiskerpretty awesome actually
18:12.51Amarandenev: Intel? Assuming it can't be reversed, they get a new CPU purchase each time.
18:13.17Fiskerit's a shame they still rely on 3rd party providers to put it in though
18:13.58nevcairielAmarande: i have 2 years warranty here, i dont keep cpus that long :p
18:14.05GagorianIt can be reversed
18:16.57nevcairielwould be silly otherwise anyway
18:17.03nevcairielremote destroy, not anti-theft :P
18:17.12Amarandenot to mention, it seems like hackers could use it to shut things down at random
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18:20.24GagorianWell, I really don't need or want a feature like that
18:20.33GagorianAs long as it can be completely disabled
18:21.36Fiskerit's not even enabled unless you have a compatible chipset, and not even then until you have bought the actual service
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18:32.40olafskiI thought wowpedia was supposed to be this uber wiki where everything is up to date and wowwiki wasn't.. now lately it seems neither site is accurate
18:32.58olafskianywho, does anyone know if there's a mailbox in uldum? I need somewhere to park my alchemists :P
18:33.14Fiskerit's a wiki olafski
18:33.18Fiskerand no there isn't one
18:33.40olafskijeez
18:33.45olafskioh well good thing it's a mage I guess :P
18:33.50olafskithey're mages*
18:34.11olafskiand yes I know it's a wiki =[
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18:36.49Fisker:E
18:37.36olafski:K
18:37.45Amarandeolafski, information does not suddenly materialise out of the ether
18:38.24olafskino shit
18:38.32kd3if you know it's a wiki, please help update it. the more editors we have updating it the better the wiki becomes
18:38.42olafskiI thought "all the editors" went to wowpedia. would've figured someone would have added that by now
18:38.49olafskiI'll edit wowwiki if I have something to update =)
18:39.00kd3goes back to working on the twilight highlands storyline
18:39.19olafskigood luck.. that one tired me quite bad for the last 30 quests or so =(
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18:39.25Fiskerhey kd3
18:39.30olafskimaybe cause I already did deepholm and half of uldum on the same day
18:39.32Fiskeri trolled for you
18:39.33Fiskerfor free
18:39.40kd3ooh
18:39.48Log1xis there a snippet of code anywhere that lets you be able to drag and drop the quest tracker?
18:40.06Log1xwithout having to get a bloaty quest addon/moveanything/etc.
18:40.21olafskibloatylol
18:40.27Fiskerhttp://img709.imageshack.us/i/slide4ci.jpg/ <-how does this chart work?
18:40.37FiskerCan you be better than first?
18:41.06olafskino unit on the y axis :<
18:41.18Amarandehmm
18:41.24Fiskerwell i suppose it's in being 1st
18:41.25syraeolafski: it's self-professed awesome
18:41.25Fisker:P
18:41.31olafskiI see that :P
18:41.32Amarandeis there a way to make your pet target something (for UF configuration purposes) while not actually fighting anything?
18:42.07syraeAmarande: I do not believe so
18:42.24Log1xtraining dummy
18:42.40Cidetraining dummies don't put you in combat eh?
18:42.48Cidethink before you talk
18:43.05Fiskerthey do
18:43.14Cideit was a rhetorical question
18:43.28Log1xlol
18:43.56Amarandealso, is target's target normally worth actually enabling or is it a waste of space :)
18:44.34syraeAmarande: depends on what you do.  I like Target's Target
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18:45.47Amarandesyrae: seems like it might be of use for tanks, but as DPS?
18:46.27olafskishows you when you have aggro =)
18:46.39olafskithough there are probably more space efficient ways of doing that
18:47.22syraeAmarande: I'm a hunter for comparison. I have a habit of being proactive since I run raids occasionally so I tend to watch what everyone is doing when I can.  That means that I watch my ToT to make sure I know what is going on.
18:48.06ckknightFisker: science!
18:49.00syraeAmarande: I just like having extra info as a player, but that's jsut me.  If you don't think you'll use it, no reason not to.
18:49.23Fiskerckknight
18:49.24Fiskermy neck
18:49.52Amarandeolafski: for instance the fact that pitbull's personal frame has a threat bar on it
18:50.00Amarandewhich makes me think hiding Omen always might be good, too
18:50.17LopeppeppyDo you *require* seeing Omen?
18:50.46LopeppeppyI've never required it visible, so I always had it hidden when I ran it (for the benefit of the raid, who liked me to have it running)
18:51.58alestaneIs there still a reason to run Omen to support the rest of the raid? Isn't it a front-end for the built-in threat API these days?
18:52.43angayellefor support of mirror image and tricks ?
18:53.17Amarandealestane: if you need to actually keep tabs on someone's threat other than yours, I suppose
18:53.33Amarandebut even as a tank, that is clunky, because omen only shows threat on current target and not adds
18:53.45syraealestane: it's a front end for the API, yeah.  I still use it for the same reasons I have ToT enabled on all my chars. :P
18:53.45Lopeppeppy*sigh*  We got our end of semester arrests after all.  Silly students!
18:53.46angayelleelse it's indeed a front end since wotlk or tbc ?
18:53.59Amarandewhich is virtually useless, because only RARELY, and generally only at the beginning of pulls or with bosses that have an aggro dump, will DPS EVER pull aggro off the primary tank target anymore
18:54.20Amarandeif people are pulling aggro off the primary tank target, either the tank sucks, or the gear differential is too great late in the expansion for the tank to handle those particular DPS
18:54.37Amarandeit's *adds* that are usually an aggro issue, and those Omen won't even show, normally
18:55.00Fiskerhttp://img812.imageshack.us/i/slide35.jpg/ <-for some reason i feel like having some death statistics with that "Better" sticker in them
18:55.01Fisker:/
18:56.18nevcairielheh
18:56.21nevcairielit works though
18:56.25nevcairielmy mouse charges super fast
18:57.21ckknightFisker: lol.
18:58.42foreplayIs there a way to change header text color? D; (in the XML)
18:58.47ckknightFisker: for extra lulz, use holocaust statistics or something.
18:59.00Fisker:o
18:59.14karl_w_wI've never been more over something that I am over archaeology right now
19:00.32karl_w_wmy only hope is that it's a bug, and blizzard don't seriously want you to fly around kalimdor for hours for the slim chance of being able to dig in uldum
19:00.34AmarandeGoddamnit.
19:00.39Amarande1920x1200 suddenly feels like not much space
19:01.10Fisker3 wipes on chimaeron due to ninja pulls now :P
19:01.39Amarandehmm.
19:01.52Amarandedoes a frost mage really need to see the unit frame or cast bar for their water elemental?
19:01.58Amarandeor can those be hidden to clean up screen space?
19:02.31Amarande(also, is there any way to keybind something so that you can cast a reticle-targeted AoE over the current moused over place?)
19:02.55Amarandelike a one-key blizzard?
19:03.45Fiskerhttp://img24.imageshack.us/i/slide49.jpg/ <-smart!
19:04.01FiskerPut 12 username and passwords embedded in your bios so even more personal information can be stole via theft
19:04.14Fiskerstolen*
19:05.29syraehttp://i.imgur.com/2iwrK.jpg
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19:05.53AmarandeFisker: I suppose ideally user authentication should be performed via DNA testing
19:06.47Amarandehowever, that would probably result in all kinds of issues, such as the amount of data processing for each scan, and the fact that the company who creates one would probably get sued the moment someone got AIDS from a dirty authentication unit. :P
19:06.48LopeppeppyWhat about identical twins?
19:06.49ckknightthe worst thing about biometrics is they can't be recalled
19:06.56Shadowedsure they can :P
19:07.06Shadowedthere just might be ethical issues
19:07.08ckknightif someone steals some biological tissue or something, you're screwed at that point
19:07.12ckknightcause you can't get new DNA
19:07.47TC-Workdepends where it's taken from
19:09.42Fiskerckknight
19:10.34Fiskerhttp://img843.imageshack.us/i/slide62.jpg/ <-look at it's face when it discovers my phone is back
19:13.30TC-WorkFisker: thats an 'unexpected sodomy' face right there
19:16.55alestaneThis person is apparently from my area. And this does indeed sound like a good benchmark: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-23451.html
19:17.26LopeppeppyYes yes yes.
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19:20.26Fiskerholy shit @ steam sales :o
19:26.28Amarandeyou know, it's amazing how many keybindings are by default that I never use, or only use accidentally and unwantedly
19:27.55LopeppeppyIsn't it though?  The possibilities of keybinding are as endless as your memory
19:29.54karl_w_wAmarande, like ctrl+S?
19:30.12industrialI unbind everything and then make my own bindings :p
19:30.21industrialso I can't accidentally press something
19:31.09karl_w_wand then in the heat of battle you realise you haven't bound come critical function :P
19:31.56Fiskeryou can say a lot about EA
19:32.09Fiskerbut atleast they have SOME titles on sale during Steam's holiday sales
19:33.03Fiskerhaha wat
19:33.10FiskerSin 1 and Sin 1 Multiplayer are 2 seperate games
19:33.34FiskerActivision is the grinch that stole christmas
19:36.24karl_w_wif they had released them as one game, would it be twice the price? because that would make them pretty cool actually :P
19:37.39LunessaActive Directory and Symantec products do not love each other and collude to inflict their pain onto me.
19:38.03LopeppeppyLunessa, it is hard to have two Siamese cats in one household, if they do not consent to this arrangement.
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19:38.42LopeppeppySomeone will lose an eye, I promise you. *hug*
19:39.02LunessaLopeppeppy: I will admit that we share some culpability for having user ids which did not match their mailboxes.   But I didn't do that.  Someone else did.
19:39.29LunessaLuckily, I think I've fixed them all and endured all the pain that might be due for this semester.
19:40.02LopeppeppyI'm sorry.  I'll arrange for a transplant ASAP.  If you keep the eyeball in milk, it's supposed to help keep the nerves alive?
19:40.38ckknightLopeppeppy: and makes for a tasty after-dinner treat
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19:41.01LopeppeppyWell yes, especially gently warmed, with some nutmeg.  Eyenogg.
19:41.14Fiskerckknight
19:41.23Fiskerall i want for christmas is every fucking game on steam
19:41.26Fiskeris you gonna provide?
19:41.52LunessaFisker: I'm not sure Steam delivers "Fucking Games" - try a local bar or bordello.
19:42.00ckknightno, you haven't given me my money
19:42.01syraeheh
19:42.09ckknightif you ever wanna be my bottom bitch, you're gonna have to work the streets harder
19:42.12cogwheelsomeone got a "fucking game" working with kinect
19:42.27sylvanaar_worki heard that
19:42.51TC-Workanyone know if it's better to have GP affect a user or a computer?
19:42.58Lunessacogwheel: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/11/29/
19:43.03ChaosIncThe shit I log into sometimes...
19:43.11Fiskerok cogwheel
19:43.24FiskerLunessa but i want fucking games :(
19:43.40LunessaFisker: CF: Glory Hole
19:43.50syrae>_<
19:49.04TC-WorkKraps: new deals
19:49.14TC-Worki just peed my pants
19:50.25LopeppeppyFisker, you would, but you have to pay for those.  :)
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19:51.22Krapswow
19:52.08Fiskeri just peed your pants TC-Work
19:55.10Krapslook at those packs
19:58.03TC-Worki know
19:58.09TC-Workthere goes all my money
19:58.46Fiskerand i was going to get sandy bridge :(
19:58.54Fiskerbut this sale lasts like 14 days
19:58.56Fiskerimpossible
20:00.46olafskigood tip
20:00.52olafskioh dear. was scrolled up
20:03.05LopeppeppyOh dear.
20:04.24TC-Workshakes his fist @ steam
20:04.44Arrowmastersteam needs to fucking show me which games in a bundle i already own
20:05.07Arrowmasterthen adjust the pricing at the bottom to reflect that
20:05.11Fiskeri think it does
20:05.17Arrowmasterdoes not
20:05.21TC-WorkArrowmaster: they dont give you a discount for that i dont think
20:05.28Fiskerno i think it usually does
20:05.32TC-Workreally?
20:05.34TC-Workthats nice
20:05.37Fiskermakes a devil's cross over the items
20:05.38Arrowmasteri dont mean a discount but update the 'you save' amount
20:05.47Fiskerbut i think it's overloaded so they probably disabled it
20:05.57Fiskeri once bought a game in a store
20:06.02Fiskerand it said i saved x$
20:06.12Fiskerbut in reality i already owned one of the games so it lied to me :(
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20:08.48TC-Workyou mean $x?
20:08.54ckknightx USD
20:08.59ckknightother currency can suck it!
20:09.14TC-Workexcept USD is strating to suck it
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20:09.20industrialstarting :D?
20:09.28TC-Workstarting*
20:09.35industrial1.3098
20:09.38industrial:3
20:09.40ckknightit's actually in a state of recovery right now
20:09.45ckknightwhich is good for everyone
20:09.50Fiskerno TC-Work
20:10.12TC-Workit's ~= to both CA and ausie right now
20:10.17TC-Workit droped quite a bit
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20:11.32Arrowmasterwhy the hell does buying bundles on steam when you already own a game in it not give you a gift copy of the game
20:11.58Fiskerbecause the publisher said so
20:12.11Arrowmasterthese are indie games
20:12.23Fiskeryes
20:12.47Arrowmasterand its not that gifting is disabled, i could purchase a 3rd copy of the game and gift it according to the games page
20:13.25Xyphoidi think the only times bundles like that have given you a free gift is the valve ones
20:13.29Fisker† Note: You already own the following items in "Telltale Holiday Pack". You will not receive extra copies of these items when you complete this purchase:
20:13.30FiskerPoker Night at the Inventory
20:13.31Fisker^^
20:13.45Fiskerto be fair you have to click "Purchase for myself" first
20:13.47Fiskerforgot that
20:14.02Krapsi dislike steam so very very much right now
20:14.13TC-Workany particular reason?
20:15.05Krapsso. many. games.
20:15.46TC-Workah, the good kind of hate
20:15.48ckknightthis is a bad thing?
20:16.19Arrowmasteractually where the hell did the display of what games you have gift copies for in steam goto?
20:16.22Arrowmasteri cant find it
20:16.31TC-Worklibrary
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20:16.34TC-Workof steam iirc
20:16.47Arrowmasteri dont see it
20:16.58Arrowmasteri should have a gift copy of halflife2 but it doesnt say so
20:17.25Krapsa friend of mine says "I think Blizz developed Archeology for players who found fishing too exciting"
20:18.17FiskerToolbar->Games->Manage gift and guest passes
20:18.33Fiskeri actually find archaology a lot better than fishing
20:18.43Fiskersince it's basically just autorunning from place to place
20:18.50Fiskerfishing requires attention AND is boring
20:19.03Arrowmasterah ha, so it is in fact not displayed in the library anymore
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20:19.39Arrowmasterwas wondering if my extra copies of hl2 and hl2:ep1 expired or something but they are listed there
20:19.45Krapsso i hear that "kings bounty" and "mount and blade" are pretty good?
20:23.26Amarandehmm, regarding keybindings
20:23.35Amarandeis it possible to rebind alt-f4, or does Windows intercept that at OS level now?
20:23.38Fiskerhaha
20:24.02Krapsalt-f4 is god mode i herd
20:24.15AmarandeKraps: if you try to rebind it, does it work, or does it cause you to exit before that occurs?
20:24.19Arrowmasteri think it does it at the shell level
20:24.38Amarande(I've noticed there are a few combinations since Vista that never want to rebind, Ctrl-Shift-0 oddly enough is one of them)
20:32.27KrapsThunder_Child:
20:32.54TC-WorkKraps:
20:33.03TC-Workthough that doesnt actually ping me
20:33.29Krapsoh
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20:35.35mckenziemccan't rebind alt-f4
20:36.25mckenziemcthere was a thread about it on the forums, someone was complaining that wow crashed every time they tried to bind it (it may have been a troll though)
20:36.26mikmamckenziemc: aww =( try binding the reset button from your computer while at it
20:36.39mckenziemchehe
20:38.59LopeppeppyTroll smells trolly
20:39.21TC-WorkKraps: did you want some thing? or just say my name
20:39.25TC-Worksomething*
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20:41.19Krapsdo you have mount and blade? it looks crappy TC-Work
20:41.26TC-WorkKraps: no i do not
20:45.33TC-Worksteams website is getting happered
20:45.37TC-Workhammered*
20:45.57LopeppeppySurprise, it's the week before Xmas.
20:46.07syraethat's so weird
20:46.15syraeChristmas just kinda snuck up
20:46.28syraeit was all, OH HAI!
20:46.35syraeDID U MISS MEH?
20:46.39TC-Workno
20:47.22Lunessasyrae & Lopeppeppy I has a cunning plan for x-mas.  I will be drunk the whole time.  Then it can't sneak up on me.
20:47.43syraeheh
20:47.59syraeI will be in Texas SOOOON
20:48.22LopeppeppyLunessa, I finally arranged NOT to spend a friggin' holiday alone.  I am excited.
20:48.30LunessaLopeppeppy: Yay!
20:48.34LopeppeppyFor serious.
20:48.43syraeI finally arranged to spend a holiday alone and I'm excited.. >_>
20:48.45Lunessasyrae: If you're in my area, let me know.  I'll buy you a beer or something.
20:48.45Krapswhat should i doooooo
20:49.01syraeLunessa: I am arriving in Austin on the 27th which I believe is your locale
20:49.24industrialseems the investigation of my account is ongoing according to my email spam directory
20:49.28industrial:p
20:49.44LopeppeppyOh, poor Indy.
20:49.50Lunessasyrae: Negative.  I am in Houston, 2+ hours away by car.
20:49.53LopeppeppyMine has been under investigation for about 6 months or so.
20:50.05syraeLunessa: I will be in Houston on the 30th
20:50.15industrialLopeppeppy: distraction! fox hunter pet! go!
20:50.24industrialruns
20:50.26LunessaThen you should say "ohai" and has a beer and talk nerdy with me.
20:51.06syraeLunessa: I will query my host/transportation/tour guide about that, then. :)
20:51.31LunessaExcellent.  Remind me to give you digits before you lose IRC access due to travel.
20:51.32Lopeppeppyindy.
20:51.38LopeppeppyI could shoot you in the arse instead!
20:51.45syraeLunessa: yar
20:51.46Krapsbioshock 1 bioshock 2 BC2 $25.17 ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:51.48alestaneI was informed that my battle.net account was under investigation, but the email address they listed was not one that should have a battle.net account at all, and the email originated from midevel_freak@hotmail.com according to the headers.
20:51.53Log1x["healthbarcolor"] = {.55, .1, .1, 1},-- what kind of coloring like ... thing is that? X_X
20:51.56Log1xhow do i convert to it
20:52.11Log1x<- noob :[
20:52.29Lunessaalestane: I love the referral http trick spam the most.
20:52.40syraeLog1x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGBA_color_space
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20:53.00syraeLog1x: each number represents one of the colors.
20:55.15Fiskerhey Lunessa
20:55.19Krapsalso fallout 3
20:55.35KrapsI DONT HAVE TIME TO PLAY AL THIS STUFF
20:55.55syraeKraps: learn to time travel
20:56.31Log1xsyrae: ah thank you. i didn't know what the 4th number was
20:56.32Log1x:)
20:56.52industrialLog1x: http://www.google.com/search?q=hex+to+rgb, generally number / 255
20:57.13Krapssyrae: http://kotaku.com/5715226/go-back-to-the-future-on-wednesday
20:57.45syraeKraps: hehe
20:57.52Fiskermy neck Kraps
20:58.15Krapsi will cut it Fisker
20:58.43Krapsthen i will have killed a guy
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21:03.16ZouchAnyone know how to exchange functions between .lua files?
21:04.16cogwheelthat question belies some fundamental misunderstanding... I think what you're looking for is a global function
21:06.58ZouchHow do I set a function to global?
21:07.04cogwheelby not making it local
21:07.19Nechcknhigh-fives cogwheel
21:07.57LuliaFunction names are actually just variable calls of a data which contains the function
21:11.25Luliahttp://www.lua.org/pil/6.html
21:12.52LunessaI say we back off and nuke the site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
21:12.57ZouchI'm trying to use a function thats located in another .lua file, but wow doesn't reconize it
21:13.18LuliaWe've given you all the info on how to figure out how to do that, Zouch
21:13.27Zouchthx then
21:13.35LuliaIf we simply tell you you won't learn it for yourself
21:13.57Zouchk
21:14.20cogwheelif your file is loaded before that one, then it won't exist yet
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21:14.53cogwheelfunctions aren't called "from files"
21:14.58cogwheelthey're called from the lua environment
21:15.08cogwheelthe files are only there as a way to populate the lua environment
21:15.23cogwheelso if the environment doesn't contain your function when your code is running, you can't call it
21:15.54LuliaEach file is its own do end block too, no?
21:16.15cogwheelmore like the inside of function(...) end
21:16.29cogwheelsince parameters are passed at file scope
21:17.33Krapsanyone have BC2?
21:17.53sylvanaar_workbc2?
21:17.57sylvanaar_workwhats that
21:18.08Krapsbad company 2
21:18.30sylvanaar_workoh yeah i have it - its on the list of things i never play
21:18.58Krapsso you never played it?
21:19.40sylvanaar_workonly the first hour or so
21:20.10Krapsi want to know if it's long
21:20.35sylvanaar_workthe cutscenes sure are
21:20.50Krapsheh
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21:23.47TC-Worklol "Over 125 Mac Games"
21:24.18zenzelezzwell, most Windows-people don't know there are that many Mac games
21:26.06Krapswhats a mac game
21:26.33ChaosIncMacs can play games?  Macs still exist outside of media?
21:26.34Krapsit it like a game for internet addresses?
21:31.01mckenziemcKraps: no, it only supports subnets : /
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21:31.17Krapsk
21:32.29mckenziemcZouch: you could also use the addon table that gets passed to every file in an addon
21:35.11kalvatntips for a good lua editor with autocomplete?
21:37.09Fisker 
21:43.51Aurorusmm....I just ate a pain au chocolat which was hot and the chocolate was still melted. :) What a lovely way to start the morning!
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21:55.46Krapshttp://store.steampowered.com/app/40930/
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21:59.24Lunessakalvatn: http://www.wowpedia.org/Setting_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML
22:00.22cogwheelLunessa: that's for XML
22:00.25LunessaSorry, that's XML, you said Lua.
22:00.35cogwheeljinx!
22:00.53LunessaYeah, I'll buy you a coke next time I'm out your way.
22:01.01cogwheelother way 'round...
22:01.10cogwheelsis-in-law is popping out a new generation in a few months :)
22:01.19cogwheelso we'll be RVing down to TX
22:01.30Lunessa... Can I skip dinner with your mom?
22:01.37cogwheelXD
22:01.53LunessaI don't want to be told I'm charming for a fat guy again.
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22:07.22Amarandehmm, am I going to hate myself for setting all my bartender bars to "always hide"
22:08.00AmarandeI'm guessing it'd have been just fine in vanilla or BC, unless you're a priest who uses MC
22:08.31Amarandehowever, I'm *not* entirely sure how I'm going to handle vehicles and swapped-UI situations (e.g., like how in DTK you keep getting made a skeleton and having to use the special abilities) this way.
22:09.53mckenziemci prefer having lots of visible bars >.>
22:09.54kalvatnLunessa: hehe, thanks anyways :p
22:09.59mckenziemcthen again, i have too many characters
22:10.12syraeLunessa: "Charming for a fat guy?" HAHAHA
22:10.12AmarandeI see an option in BT for "hide in vehicle" but I don't see one for "only show while in vehicle" which may be something I need.
22:10.25syraeWhat is that even supposed to mean?
22:10.41AmarandeHeh, making fun of fat guys this close to Christmas. I guess someone is getting coal from Santa now. :)
22:10.53Lunessasyrae: Cog's mother-in-law didn't much like me we we met last time.
22:11.13TC-WorkLunessa: are you surprised?
22:11.15Lunessas/we/when
22:11.15syraeLunessa: that is unfortunate.  Thankfully you aren't planning on becoming a part of Cog's family.. :P
22:11.46Amarandewho knows much about bartender?
22:11.52Lunessasyrae: No, I'm not.   and TC-Work still, it's an experience I can cheerily avoid.
22:12.00cogwheelLunessa: no it's that she cared about you and doesn't want you to die of fatness :P
22:12.18cogwheeltheir family has an EXTREMELY (possibly pathologic) mothering instinct
22:12.19syraeLunessa isn't fat though
22:12.19Amarandeis it possible to set up a bar that *only* is visible during cases where you're in a vehicle or MC'ing or in one of those boss situations like DTK where you get morphed?
22:12.20Lunessacogwheel: It hasn't killed me yet. :)
22:12.37Amarandeor are we stuck leaving bar 1 visible and finding room for it even if we have no desire to use it normally?
22:12.40LunessaAmarande: the condition is [bonusbar:5]
22:12.48AmarandeLunessa: that works for both?
22:13.04Amarande(and does it have to be Bar 1 to work right or can I use a bar I don't use at all normally?)
22:13.12LunessaAmarande: It works for vehicles, but I haven't tried with MC.  It probably works for that.
22:13.26cogwheelLunessa: mention someone is around and they'll try to find as many ways as possible to serve them. Mention that you're interested in something and they'll drop what they're doing to try and help you.
22:13.43cogwheelIt can be quite annoying for someone who doesn't like being fussed over...
22:13.52AmarandeLunessa: does it work as skeleton on Tharon'ja?
22:13.59Amarande(in case we get a similar battle in cata)
22:14.09Lunessacogwheel: She was nice enough but...
22:14.39LunessaAmarande: I always have Bar 1 visible so *shrug*  I *like* having a bar showing.
22:14.39cogwheelbut yeah... she's pretty oblivious to how she makes others feel
22:15.03cogwheellike, she asked her husband if she could tell us some embarrassing story about him, he said no, and she does it anyway
22:15.44cogwheelprojecting her willingness for self-sacrifice onto others imo
22:16.39Lunessacogwheel: At least she's funny. :)
22:17.56AmarandeI found myself wondering what the point of having a bar showing was when it's better to keybind stuff.
22:18.07cogwheelshe takes old-age-as-license-to-act-childish very seriously :P
22:18.07AmarandeI mean, the point of a bar is ... to clicky things? Click casting is *bad*!
22:18.14Amarandeat least, click-the-bar casting
22:18.18Amarandenot say, mouseover Clique stuff
22:18.39cogwheelAmarande: my action bar serves more as cooldown/availability indication than anything
22:18.48cogwheeland a reminder of bindings
22:18.54cogwheelsince it's a physical key-to-button mapping
22:19.32LunessaAmarande:  ^^  Cooldowns and quick/easy binding.
22:19.53AmarandeI was finding that something like a sixth of the screen was being taken up by bars, though
22:20.13Amarandeit's also amazing how much useless crap you end up with on bars. especially if you add stuff to them as you level.
22:20.20kd3chuckles
22:20.31kd3http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Anything_But_Water
22:20.32cogwheelAmarande: i'm an engineer
22:20.34Amarandemostly because questing often forces you to use abilities that you would never ever use in a serious group setting.
22:20.35cogwheel'nuff said ><
22:20.36Xyphoidis there a keybinding mod that'll show me my *keyboard* with what have bound to each key
22:21.18LunessaXyphoid: BindingsReminder *cough*
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22:22.12Xyphoid\m/ thanks
22:22.38Amarandethere's http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/visbind.aspx but I don't know if that works with 4.0
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23:08.39Krapsso what happens when you buy a pack on steam an you have 1 or more of the games already?
23:10.16AmarandeKraps: you waste money, probably
23:10.43Krapswhy doesnt it check if you have them already?
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23:11.29bluspacecowdoes it ?
23:12.21Krapsi dont know
23:14.06foxlitKraps: I presume you're able to gift that game to someone.
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23:14.26foxlitAt least that's how it seems to work for me, though I'm not in that situation often enough.
23:14.38Krapserlier conversations indicate otherwise foxlit
23:15.07foxlitMay vary depending on the bundle, too.
23:15.09Xyphoidthat only works for a few valve packs
23:15.16Xyphoidin general bundles you just lose the extra game
23:15.31Krapswith a discount?
23:15.36Krapsi guess?
23:15.42Xyphoidnope
23:15.54foxlitOh, you certainly wouldn't pay less.
23:16.02foxlitThat's a poor business tactic :P
23:16.32Krapswell poo
23:16.44foxlitIt could be worse, it could be itunes
23:17.28foxlit[Buy enough songs for the "complete my album" price to drop to drop to a non-natural number, and they'll charge you full price should you want to buy the album]
23:18.17syraehttp://kotaku.com/5714839/your-illustrated-guide-to-esrb-ratings
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23:34.14airtonixAmarande, which newspaper do i cut these "plot coupons" out of? do they get me free subways?
23:34.51airtonixor will it just be a free pass to some boring old man recounting his days as a checkout operator?
23:38.48Krapsairtonix: ?
23:39.05industrialHow do I check if Searing Totem is up?
23:39.08industrialIt's not a buff so ...
23:39.12industrialand has a 1 min duration
23:40.44industriala-ha! http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTotemInfo
23:40.59industrialI love it when I solve my own problems
23:41.19industrialI'm creating my own ShockAndAwe enhancement shaman addon because SAA looks shit
23:42.50foxlitgr, lightbox on wowi :(
23:43.39foxlitLiked things better when it'd actually show you thumbnails of *all* screenshots. Could tell a little story with those :/
23:47.45AmarandeKraps, just be lucky Steam is actually sane in terms of knowing what you are supposed to have :P
23:48.04AmarandeNot like, say, the Dragon Age DLC downloader, which bugs up royally most of the time when you reinstall the game after formatting and requires all kinds of arcanery to fix
23:52.07Amarandeok, Horde actually has an advantage now in exploration, it appears.
23:52.22AmarandeNever thought I'd see the day. :)
23:53.06ZorbaTHutI know I've said this before but holy shit I wish blizzard would fix their AH APIs
23:55.22AmarandeWhat's it doing now?
23:56.45durcynAmarande: huh?  icacls.exe is your friend

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