| 00:00.01 | zenzelezz | don't think you can do that, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 00:00.05 | drag0nius | preferably using 1 button xD |
| 00:00.06 | ChaosInc | what exactly are you trying to make happen? |
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| 00:00.41 | drag0nius | chosing herb from inventory (like auto-deposit macro) based on my own conditions |
| 00:00.50 | drag0nius | then pick its name, create macro with this name |
| 00:00.52 | drag0nius | and launch macro ;D |
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| 00:05.01 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5714844/ten-percent-of-warcraft-gamers-account-for-more-than-half-its-playing-time |
| 00:05.35 | zenzelezz | I don't find that surprising at all |
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| 00:09.26 | drag0nius | guys how can i access my addon's table from other one? |
| 00:09.35 | drag0nius | i've table MyAddon = {} |
| 00:10.42 | Adys | leave it in the global namespace. |
| 00:10.45 | zenzelezz | did you call it that? ("MyAddon") |
| 00:10.48 | Adys | _, MyAddon = ... |
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| 00:11.06 | drag0nius | yep :P |
| 00:11.07 | Adys | make sure MyAddon loads after whatever addon you're trying to access it from. |
| 00:11.09 | drag0nius | didnt pick name yet |
| 00:11.22 | drag0nius | after? |
| 00:11.44 | Adys | if you need to access a specific addon from another addon, you should list the former as a dependency of the latter |
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| 00:13.09 | drag0nius | guess i cant access these variables through simple /run command? |
| 00:16.27 | Cide | guess you should read some documentation |
| 00:17.14 | Cide | like global vs local variables |
| 00:17.21 | Cide | but yes, /run can access any global variable |
| 00:17.53 | drag0nius | then cant access mine xD |
| 00:18.02 | drag0nius | i set addon table as global |
| 00:18.04 | Cide | then you are doing it wrong and you should read www.lua.org/pil |
| 00:18.04 | drag0nius | but cant access it |
| 00:18.45 | Adys | sounds like your addon isnt getting loaded. |
| 00:18.51 | Adys | well |
| 00:18.53 | Adys | your lua file |
| 00:19.09 | drag0nius | i got it on list |
| 00:19.12 | drag0nius | and got bindings from it |
| 00:19.39 | Kraps | may be NSFW http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/page0435b.png |
| 00:19.41 | drag0nius | or hmm |
| 00:19.42 | Adys | then you are doing it wrong and you should read www.lua.org/pil |
| 00:19.43 | drag0nius | maybe not |
| 00:22.08 | zenzelezz | Kraps: cool |
| 00:32.00 | drag0nius | i cant call functions from within my addon? |
| 00:32.32 | Dagmar | You can as long as you pay attention to scoping, afaik |
| 00:34.10 | amro | that questions makes me think you're doing it wrong and you should read www.lua.org/pil |
| 00:34.14 | amro | -s |
| 00:37.25 | wereHamster | oh man, everything is different. It feels like an entirely new game |
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| 00:43.59 | Kraps | wereHamster: it is |
| 00:44.16 | Kraps | you're not really playing wow see |
| 00:44.52 | Amarande | wereHamster: all WoW accounts that didn't buy cata were downgraded to Hello Kitty Island Adventures accounts |
| 00:47.29 | ChaosInc | Amar: lol |
| 00:57.51 | wereHamster | Amarande: I have cata... |
| 01:00.10 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 01:00.10 | Marcus_The_Crazy | Hello |
| 01:00.14 | Amarande | btw, can you be killed by deathwing while in mid-FP? |
| 01:00.15 | Kraps | you THINK you do wereHamster |
| 01:00.22 | Cide | you don't die |
| 01:00.30 | Cide | but you get the achievement |
| 01:01.14 | Gnarfoz | !api COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 01:01.14 | lua_bot | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED: Fires when a combat log event is received (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED) |
| 01:02.11 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 01:02.19 | Gnarfoz | why does that not list the signature at all |
| 01:03.14 | Cide | check combat_log_event? |
| 01:03.18 | Cide | same signature |
| 01:04.36 | foxlit | same lack of signature |
| 01:05.04 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/CLEU then |
| 01:05.09 | Cide | See the chapter "Responding to the Combat Log and Threat Information" for details. |
| 01:05.16 | Cide | guess that's why |
| 01:07.57 | kraftman_ | whats the range of the combat log? |
| 01:08.05 | Cide | over 9000 milliyards |
| 01:09.25 | kraftman_ | woah |
| 01:09.27 | kraftman_ | thats a lot |
| 01:09.35 | Cide | totally. |
| 01:09.49 | Gnarfoz | !api sendchatmessage |
| 01:09.49 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 01:10.03 | Cide | wait, I think you were being serious |
| 01:10.11 | Cide | kraftman_: are you a physicist? |
| 01:10.14 | Cide | or |
| 01:10.24 | Cide | kraftman_: are you otherwise familiar with prefixes? |
| 01:10.30 | Cide | or |
| 01:10.39 | Cide | kraftman_: did you know that 9000 milliyards means 9 yards? |
| 01:12.18 | Gnarfoz | CLEU is hard to understand |
| 01:12.26 | Gnarfoz | if I have a SPELL_DAMAGE event |
| 01:12.34 | Gnarfoz | is the 12th return overkill or the 13th? |
| 01:12.42 | Gnarfoz | (and the 6th the target name or the 7th?) |
| 01:13.14 | foxlit | just grab all of the arguments |
| 01:13.19 | LFK | BRICKWALL'D |
| 01:13.29 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: sure, but I need to filter on them |
| 01:13.33 | kraftman_ | i thought it was about a year |
| 01:13.33 | Gnarfoz | so I need to know which is which |
| 01:13.39 | kraftman_ | yard* |
| 01:14.02 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: then do the math; it's not actually that hard. I wouldn't trust the numbers in the headers too much, but they say it's 13th |
| 01:14.09 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 01:14.13 | Gnarfoz | too drunk, didn't see that |
| 01:14.14 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 01:14.20 | Gnarfoz | drunken coding > all |
| 01:14.34 | Kraps | so you're looking for the Shaft of the Stars and the quest is called "Just the Tip" /facepalm |
| 01:14.49 | foxlit | so function OnEvent(self, event, ...) overkill = select(13, ...); |
| 01:15.00 | Gnarfoz | yup that's what I did |
| 01:16.22 | foxlit | I typically just do function OnEvent(self, _, t, e, sg, sn, sf, dg, dn, df, ...) and then decode ... based on e -- if e == "SPELL_DAMAGE" then sid, sname, sschool, amunt, overkill, dschool = ...; and so on |
| 01:16.33 | kraftman_ | so what is the range of the combat long? by default, in any unit of measurement you choose? |
| 01:16.49 | Cide | well my response was accurate, no? |
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| 01:16.56 | kraftman_ | it was |
| 01:17.07 | kraftman_ | unfortunately i was looking for something a little more specific |
| 01:17.18 | Cide | ah |
| 01:17.22 | Cide | I'm not about precision |
| 01:18.30 | kraftman_ | im trying to make sure my enemy unit frames dont show players that are on the other side of the map |
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| 01:18.42 | kraftman_ | but i guess i can use combatLogRangeHostilePlayers |
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| 01:19.59 | kraftman_ | if it still exists |
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| 01:28.17 | LFK | hmmmm, when I had this just in XML it worked, when I moved it to lua it did nothing, when I have it split it returns an error |
| 01:28.36 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: there's some serious bug in TomTomLite that's chewing up my FPS |
| 01:29.03 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: only when I have a mob targetted that has a quest for me (I can't really pinpoint it to something, but I can probably describe all the circumstances) |
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| 01:30.09 | Gnarfoz | not sure what it's trying to do |
| 01:41.15 | Gnarfoz | is there some addon that assists with achievements for which the wow default UI gives no sane counter/indication of failure? |
| 01:42.32 | LFK | alright, so, to create a mana monitor all I need is to watch the event UNIT_POWER then compare UnitPower to UnitPowerMax and display a message when the result is at a given %? |
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| 01:51.39 | Amarande | WTF is with these FPs in Badlands that you can fly from but not to? |
| 01:56.17 | Cide | directional graph |
| 01:56.19 | Cide | comp sci'd |
| 01:58.23 | wereHamster | is there still a ship going between menethil and dustmwallow marsh? |
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| 02:04.23 | LFK | should be |
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| 02:07.14 | Gnarfoz | why are people bugging me for so many addons today... |
| 02:07.22 | Gnarfoz | is there a currently working mp5 monitor? |
| 02:07.26 | ChaosInc | ? |
| 02:07.42 | Gnarfoz | (something that displays actual current mp5) |
| 02:07.53 | ChaosInc | probably |
| 02:08.12 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.17 | Dagmar | I've taken it a few times. |
| 02:08.42 | Dagmar | ...generally racing to get there in enough time to check with the NPC to make sure I'm going the right way before I get on it and it takes me to Auberdine or something |
| 02:08.46 | Gnarfoz | !api GetManaRegen |
| 02:08.46 | lua_bot | GetManaRegen: Returns information about the player's mana regeneration rate (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetManaRegen) |
| 02:09.08 | ChaosInc | tell them that there are these new thing called "search engines". Then ask them if they can guess what they are for |
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| 02:13.42 | kraftman_ | how do i get just the activities of enemies near the player, not the players party, from the combat log? |
| 02:15.39 | kraftman_ | can i just do /console SET CombatLogRangeFriendlyPlayers "0" |
| 02:20.55 | Cide | try it and see what happens |
| 02:21.12 | kraftman_ | it doesnt work |
| 02:21.22 | Cide | then you can't do it |
| 02:21.41 | kraftman_ | damn |
| 02:21.48 | kraftman_ | so close to getting this done |
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| 03:44.13 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz: i think i wrote a broker that showed your current regen, it wasnt very featureful |
| 03:44.27 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: I'm aware, I have it |
| 03:44.39 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: but the gal who's asking says it's broken |
| 03:44.41 | sylvanaar | i dont know if it even work |
| 03:44.43 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 03:44.45 | Gnarfoz | so... I don't know, I don't have a healer to test it |
| 03:45.22 | sylvanaar | actually since i have 3 mana projects, which one did she have |
| 03:45.53 | sylvanaar | i dont work on any of them - i should though |
| 03:52.46 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder what the chances of exploring Azuremyst on a horde toon and surviving are now |
| 03:54.22 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: Broker_Regen |
| 03:54.38 | sylvanaar | i should install it |
| 03:56.59 | Xyphoid | Amarande: 99%, just like before |
| 04:00.04 | sylvanaar | Gnarfoz: it works, you just have to know if you are in combat or not |
| 04:00.29 | sylvanaar | since it shows <non-combat> / <combat> |
| 04:00.55 | sylvanaar | sp mine says 2959 / 1945 |
| 04:00.58 | Gnarfoz | well, apparently there's confusion as to why the tooltip in the character screen talks about "while not casting" reg |
| 04:01.23 | sylvanaar | they forgot to update it |
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| 04:02.51 | sylvanaar | i was working on an addon which tracked *real* regen, but it still uses 5 second rule, so it needs an update |
| 04:09.23 | sylvanaar | !api InCombat |
| 04:09.23 | lua_bot | InCombatLockdown: Returns whether the user interface is protected due to combat (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/InCombatLockdown) |
| 04:09.45 | sylvanaar | is that the best way to check for in combat? |
| 04:11.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 04:37.31 | Amarande | Xyphoid: the main thing that bugs me about it is that Azuremyst is a no-fly zone, and you have to get the baby area, which is guarded by two 90 elites |
| 04:37.50 | Amarande | meanwhile ... about how many hours' gathering work does it tend to take to get from 152 to 300 in Archaeology? |
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| 04:46.40 | Adys | Cide |
| 04:46.49 | Adys | what do you think of macgyver? |
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| 05:06.47 | Cide | Adys: never really seen it much at all |
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| 05:10.14 | Adys | Cide: that explains a lot |
| 05:10.16 | amro | go back to sleep Cide |
| 05:10.47 | Cide | I haven't gone to bed yet |
| 05:11.58 | Cide | but now I am! night |
| 05:12.21 | Nobgul|Web | Night |
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| 05:15.46 | bluspacecow | hey guys was there an update to the curse client today ? |
| 05:17.02 | Nobgul|Web | Havent checked. |
| 05:17.15 | Nobgul|Web | bluspacecow: Did you want all those sound paths? |
| 05:17.32 | bluspacecow | i do but im more interested in how you got them |
| 05:17.34 | Amarande | I haven't used Curse Client in a couple months now |
| 05:17.43 | bluspacecow | i sent you a PM like ages ago :( |
| 05:17.55 | Amarande | pretty much my addon updating philosophy tends to be "when something breaks, I go look for an update, otherwise, why worry?" heh |
| 05:18.01 | bluspacecow | mine too |
| 05:18.20 | Amarande | oh, that reminds me. time to see if pitbull has been fixed yet. |
| 05:18.21 | Nobgul|Web | bluspacecow: My friend extraced them. He runs a questionable server. I asked him and he lol |
| 05:18.28 | Nobgul|Web | lol'ed atme |
| 05:18.38 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 05:18.42 | Amarande | are they ever going to update it? |
| 05:18.44 | Nobgul|Web | Ugh i had to use the wifes laptop as im not at home and its killing me. |
| 05:18.58 | Amarande | I don't know Lua well enough to even fathom how to fix the bug in such a complex addon as a unit frame |
| 05:18.59 | Nobgul|Web | Amarande: I follow that as well but im waiting fro some boss mod to update to cata stuff. |
| 05:19.35 | Amarande | the sort of updates I can make on my own are things like fixing AllXP to properly show XP on the broker bar while 80-84 (which is just changing the "max level" variable in the Lua, kudos to that developer for making that easy) |
| 05:21.16 | Arrowmaster | son of a bitch |
| 05:21.31 | Nobgul|Web | ? |
| 05:22.25 | Arrowmaster | trying to figure out how to update the old debian wine packages and it seems the old maintainer fucked with the original source instead of creating patches |
| 05:26.00 | Arrowmaster | that or i still dont understand how this works and the patches are actually in different git branches |
| 05:26.39 | Nobgul|Web | Umm. Why cant you use dpkg |
| 05:26.55 | Arrowmaster | im trying to |
| 05:27.16 | Nobgul|Web | did you add the repo's? |
| 05:27.28 | Arrowmaster | you dont get it |
| 05:27.35 | Arrowmaster | there are no current wine packages for debian |
| 05:28.12 | Nobgul|Web | 0_o |
| 05:28.49 | Funkeh` | dolby, don't know if it's known or not. But I no longer see "awaiting approval" or whatever the text used to say on my addon list page |
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| 05:28.54 | Nobgul|Web | whats the current " release name" or deb? |
| 05:29.00 | Arrowmaster | lenny |
| 05:29.23 | Nobgul|Web | cause its been approved |
| 05:29.29 | Nobgul|Web | and there are beta packages |
| 05:29.36 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 05:29.52 | Ressy | Anyone know the status of Curse Client v3? Someone's stating there was an 'urgent update' today they downloaded at 1020pm, and immediately afterwards they started crashing to a known keylogger. |
| 05:30.16 | Ressy | I figure they have a fake curse but just double checking. |
| 05:30.19 | Nobgul|Web | deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt lenny main |
| 05:30.33 | Arrowmaster | those havent been updated in like a year |
| 05:30.46 | Nobgul|Web | 0_o |
| 05:30.50 | Funkeh` | I'm surprised people still use v3 |
| 05:31.17 | Ressy | They say the UI is slow and clunky. |
| 05:31.25 | Ressy | it is. *shrug* |
| 05:31.34 | Nobgul|Web | sorry Arrowmaster |
| 05:31.37 | Funkeh` | of what v3? |
| 05:31.40 | Ressy | v4 |
| 05:31.44 | Nobgul|Web | 0_o |
| 05:31.53 | Ressy | its the reason they won't upgrade to v4, and keep using v3 |
| 05:32.10 | Funkeh` | thats like complaining aobut an anti virus ui |
| 05:32.20 | Funkeh` | no one gives a shit for something you barely ever look at |
| 05:32.37 | Ressy | I think their main thing is it takes forever to load. |
| 05:33.14 | Ressy | prolly have a crappy comp as well which it doesn't run well on. |
| 05:33.17 | bluspacecow | wheres kaelten / net when you need thmem :\ |
| 05:34.09 | Nobgul|Web | http://www.lamaresh.net/apt/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/wine_1.1.42~winehq1-1_i386.deb |
| 05:34.14 | Nobgul|Web | http://www.lamaresh.net/apt/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/wine_1.1.42~winehq1-1_i386.deb? |
| 05:34.18 | Ressy | This is like the 5th report I've seen in the last 3 months where a user has gotten a kelogger, and stated they used v3 |
| 05:34.22 | Arrowmaster | yes, year old |
| 05:34.25 | Nobgul|Web | god i hate this laptop. |
| 05:34.57 | Arrowmaster | and im trying to update the official debian ones which are split into multiple packages, not the unofficial single package one |
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| 05:35.59 | Funkeh` | dolby, also we're on patch 4.0.3 not 4.0.1 like most addons are lisitng |
| 05:36.12 | Funkeh` | listing* |
| 05:36.43 | Nobgul|Web | cause they havent clicked the works with current patch |
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| 05:37.54 | Funkeh` | Nobgul, no, because the works with the patch lists 4.0.1 |
| 05:38.19 | Funkeh` | however, when you make complete guesses, try tag your sentance with "I guess it's..." |
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| 05:39.20 | Nobgul|Web | Funkeh`: it was not a complete guess as i searched addons that i know are updated and also ones that i know are not. |
| 05:39.37 | Funkeh` | what can I say, you're wrong |
| 05:39.43 | Funkeh` | want a screenshot or what |
| 05:40.08 | Nobgul|Web | No i see what you mean when you pull a addon list. |
| 05:40.17 | Funkeh` | im not looking at that |
| 05:40.23 | Funkeh` | im loking at my addon editing page |
| 05:40.33 | Funkeh` | where it lists works wiht 4.0.1 |
| 05:40.39 | Funkeh` | not 4.0.3 |
| 05:40.43 | Funkeh` | there is no such option |
| 05:40.50 | Nobgul|Web | I see it now. |
| 05:40.59 | Funkeh` | you see what now |
| 05:41.38 | Nobgul|Web | You had said that addons are listing for 4.0.1 not 4.0.3 |
| 05:41.54 | Nobgul|Web | nvm. |
| 05:41.57 | Funkeh` | yes that is what i said |
| 05:43.40 | Nobgul|Web | I mis understood what you were meaning. But yes i had brought up the version thing before and dolby and Cairenn|afk are aware of it. |
| 05:44.11 | Funkeh` | How can you misunderstand what I clearly said, and I know they are aware of it, because I just pinged dolby stating it |
| 05:45.29 | Cairenn|afk | temper temper guys |
| 05:45.51 | Funkeh` | sorry, I hate it when people go on arguing over something when they know they are wrong |
| 05:46.05 | Nobgul|Web | if you search a addon, that has been updated for cata it will show a cata icon. Addon's that have not been tagged with working with current version do not show the little cata sign. |
| 05:46.50 | Cairenn|afk | Funkeh`: (12:43:34 AM) Nobgul|Web: I mis understood what you were meaning. << how is that "know they are wrong"? He misunderstood you, he apologized, calm down |
| 05:47.49 | Funkeh` | Nobgul|Web> Funkeh`: it was not a complete guess as i searched addons that i know are updated and also ones that i know are not. |
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| 05:48.11 | dolby | I misunderstand what people clearly say all the time /shrug |
| 05:48.18 | Cairenn|afk | "I mis understood what you were meaning" |
| 05:48.23 | Cairenn|afk | as do I |
| 05:48.32 | dolby | we didnt do 4.0.1 to 4.0.3 because there wasnt really much change |
| 05:48.35 | Funkeh` | well, I can do a search too |
| 05:48.36 | Funkeh` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=24 |
| 05:48.40 | Funkeh` | clearly shows 4.0.1 |
| 05:48.48 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 05:48.52 | Cairenn|afk | hi Amarande |
| 05:48.53 | dolby | yep |
| 05:48.54 | Amarande | yes, temper is a far too common thing in this place :S |
| 05:48.57 | Funkeh` | dolby, was just makin ya aware |
| 05:49.00 | Cairenn|afk | bangs her head on her desk |
| 05:49.07 | dolby | thanks Funkeh` :) |
| 05:49.32 | Funkeh` | dolby, did the catch the part about awaiting aproval? |
| 05:50.13 | Amarande | 4.0.3a actually broke more than 4.0.3, apparently |
| 05:50.32 | Amarande | not just the world changes, either. whatever they changed that makes Pitbull bug out during party membership changes was not in 4.0.3 |
| 05:51.11 | Funkeh` | that might not be "breakage" though, maybe blizz changed something that pitbull hasn't updateed for |
| 05:51.46 | bluspacecow | the output not being as expected |
| 05:51.58 | Funkeh` | mm |
| 05:52.06 | Amarande | Funkeh: I'm not sure what that would be, though |
| 05:52.26 | Funkeh` | also were you trying something there with relating breakage /world changes, breakage of azeroth/ :P |
| 05:52.39 | Amarande | The symptom is the unit frames not showing the correct information for one or more party/raid members if the group loses or gains members after you join |
| 05:53.02 | Amarande | by "world changes" I mean things like zone-aware addons like Gatherer needing updates |
| 05:53.15 | Funkeh` | aw |
| 05:53.41 | Amarande | and 4.0.3a has been out for nearly a month with no updates for pitbull |
| 05:53.48 | Amarande | I may need to go back to X-Perl eventually, if this keeps up. |
| 05:54.07 | Funkeh` | not tried other alternatives? |
| 05:54.21 | Amarande | (That reminds me, does X-Perl have the issue with not being able to right-click off buffs like Pitbull does or did they adapt to the secure frames better?) |
| 05:54.51 | Funkeh` | I shouldn't say alternatives, should probably say other unit frame addons |
| 05:55.18 | Amarande | Though really the only buff which I find it important to be able to click off quickly enough that simply typing a /cancelaura isn't good enough is Ice Block on my mage, and I have a macro for that. |
| 05:55.51 | Amarande | I suppose I'll be making a similar macro for bubble if I ever roll a tank pally again. |
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| 06:15.27 | sylvanaar | isnt buff clicking broken for unitframe addons |
| 06:33.06 | Funkeh` | sylvanaar, yes, that was enrfed |
| 06:33.10 | Funkeh` | nerfed* |
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| 06:47.17 | Xyphoid | is it just me or are wow pygmies incredibly racist |
| 07:01.43 | Thunder_Child | that makes me think of a subset of wow forum posters |
| 07:17.21 | A-KO | resto druids: haste or mastery toboots? |
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| 07:28.29 | Kraps | Xyphoid: i was thinking the same |
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| 07:37.16 | Fisker | i don't wanna restart my computer |
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| 07:44.18 | sylvanaar | A-KO: haste |
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| 07:48.32 | Fisker | i once haste'd a haste |
| 07:48.42 | Fisker | and he liked it |
| 07:53.18 | Kraps | "There were more than just Tank, DPS, and Healer. We had Tank, DPS, Healer, Puller, Debuffer, Buffer, and CC." |
| 07:53.43 | Kraps | really? |
| 07:55.04 | Kraps | lets say UO was the first graphical mmorpg, did it have all that? |
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| 08:17.37 | Fisker | fart Kraps |
| 08:18.04 | Kraps | Fisker: youtube comments are hilarious |
| 08:20.11 | Kraps | hilariously retarded |
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| 08:35.51 | Fisker | i hate blizzard Kraps |
| 08:36.00 | Kraps | you dont really |
| 08:36.20 | Fisker | i do |
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| 08:41.00 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/#!/TOADM/status/9352020339200000 |
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| 09:09.04 | Zhinjio | so, this guy in my guild has dragged his chatframe off screen like a nutball. |
| 09:09.22 | Zhinjio | I can't seem to come up with a scripted command to move it around or SetPoint it back to center or anything. ideas? |
| 09:09.33 | Zhinjio | I've tried both with GeneralDockManager and ChatFrame1Tab |
| 09:10.31 | Zhinjio | and ChatFrame1 |
| 09:10.59 | mikma | zhinjio: ChatFrame1Tab:ClearAllPoints(); ChatFrame1Tab:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent) |
| 09:11.13 | Zhinjio | ok. forgot the clearallpoints |
| 09:13.38 | Zhinjio | mikma: thanks much! |
| 09:14.41 | mikma | nps |
| 09:15.24 | Zhinjio | wow, that completely whacked the other docked frames. Thats goign to take some repair. *grin* |
| 09:15.41 | mikma | well |
| 09:15.53 | mikma | try reseting the chat from the chatframe1 |
| 09:16.09 | Zhinjio | yar. everything just needs to be dragged back to "snap" back in |
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| 09:17.44 | sylvanaar | i think i lucked out with this guild im in - i really like them |
| 09:17.50 | Zhinjio | grats! |
| 09:17.56 | Zhinjio | thats always a sticky wicket |
| 09:18.02 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 09:18.11 | sylvanaar | im new to the server and everything |
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| 09:20.17 | Fisker | i really like you sylvanaar |
| 09:27.47 | mikma | hmmrph |
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| 09:34.32 | Zhinjio | I'm reasonably comfortable where I am now. |
| 09:34.37 | Zhinjio | its taken awhile though |
| 09:34.44 | Zhinjio | it helps that I'm not an active raider |
| 09:35.15 | Zhinjio | this guild seems to be about as drama-free as I can reasonably expect. |
| 09:35.46 | Zhinjio | I've gotten some of my other long time friends to make toons here now. I'm fairly happy |
| 09:40.09 | Xyphoid | are there any dailies that use hte uldum RTS interface |
| 09:41.23 | Elkano | none that I know of... only the one where you bombard Schlotz' troops |
| 09:42.35 | Xyphoid | the tol barad dailies all being bring me 6 bear asses is kind of disappointing |
| 09:45.09 | Elkano | haven't been there, yet |
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| 10:17.29 | Yoshimo | blizzard added unitframes for multiboss encounters, which event fires when they appear? |
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| 10:35.37 | airtonix | greetings |
| 10:36.59 | airtonix | which cable type do you think i can go the longest length ? hdmi or dvi |
| 10:40.42 | Fisker | what length do you need anyway? |
| 10:41.42 | Fisker | anyway according to wikipedia a hdmi can reach the farthest |
| 10:41.51 | airtonix | not sure, it might end up being mroe than ten meters |
| 10:43.22 | Fisker | you'll probably need a quality cable then |
| 10:44.06 | Dagmar | You should probably seriously, seriously moving something closer to something else. |
| 10:45.17 | airtonix | not going to be possible for a while |
| 10:45.27 | Dagmar | Thirty-two feet? |
| 10:45.37 | airtonix | 15meters should be enough |
| 10:45.43 | Dagmar | You have to put the screen in your neighbor's apartment? |
| 10:45.49 | airtonix | might help if i actually measure it |
| 10:45.58 | Dagmar | You will need an amp at that length |
| 10:46.03 | airtonix | no the cable has to trace around the edge of the room |
| 10:46.46 | airtonix | so along the skirting board, round a corner, up around the door frame, back down to the skirting board and up behind into the computer |
| 10:46.58 | Dagmar | 15m is triple what the spec calls for |
| 10:47.08 | airtonix | for cat 1 |
| 10:47.14 | airtonix | cat 2 allows for 15 |
| 10:47.32 | airtonix | or high speed |
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| 10:48.28 | airtonix | i did look at wireless hdmi, but that costs a small fortune |
| 10:48.50 | airtonix | and for that price i can just build another mitx ion2 xbmc machine |
| 10:49.56 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: if you have carpets just put it under the carpet instead of going over the door frame |
| 10:50.44 | airtonix | carpet is permanent |
| 10:51.09 | airtonix | i'd have to pry off the skirting boards and unpick the industrial staples used to hold the carpet down |
| 10:52.40 | Arrowmaster | oh you have that kinda carpet, all the carpet in my house is cut along door frames |
| 10:53.32 | airtonix | the kind you take when you move homes? |
| 10:53.39 | airtonix | roll up and run |
| 10:54.08 | airtonix | https://www.proaudiovisual.com.au/home/hdmi-cables/ultra-premium-high-speed-15m-hdmi-cable-with-ethernet.html |
| 10:58.04 | Xyphoid | man one thing cataclysm has taught me: my character reaaaally hates animals |
| 10:58.40 | Xyphoid | anytime i clip something nonhostile a quest pops up and tells me how IT WILL BE A BETTER WORLD WHEN YOU MURDER THEM ALL |
| 10:59.17 | amro | your character hates anything questgivers happen to hate at the given time |
| 10:59.36 | amro | you go from helping DEHTA to helping Nesingwary |
| 10:59.45 | Xyphoid | oh sure but these quests are internal monologue |
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| 11:20.02 | Fisker | oh yay |
| 11:20.08 | Fisker | you finally get rep and experience while dead now |
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| 11:26.34 | Elkano | I wonder if they fixed meta-factions, too... |
| 11:26.48 | Elkano | Alliance was only giving me rep for Stormwind and Gilneas :/ |
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| 11:40.47 | Fisker | spillover in the "meta" factions only occur up until 5999/6000 honored |
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| 11:48.26 | Pwntzyou | Is there a way to block whispers with an addon |
| 11:48.32 | Pwntzyou | and make it so you can't see them |
| 11:49.23 | nevcairiel | Fisker: thats new though, it used to go all up to exalted |
| 11:56.55 | zenzelezz | oh god, it's that time of year again... |
| 11:57.06 | zenzelezz | when people spam general/trade with WoW-ified "jingle bells" |
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| 12:04.56 | drag0nius | yay |
| 12:05.01 | drag0nius | i made Smart Milling macro xD |
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| 12:05.28 | zenzelezz | and it works? Nice job |
| 12:05.32 | Pwntzyou | is there a way to /who someone with an addon |
| 12:05.32 | Pwntzyou | ? |
| 12:05.49 | drag0nius | theres api function i think |
| 12:05.52 | drag0nius | for that |
| 12:06.13 | zenzelezz | !api SendWho |
| 12:06.13 | lua_bot | SendWho: Requests a list of characters meeting given search criteria from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWho) |
| 12:06.15 | Pwntzyou | I can only find getwhoinfo and getnumwhoresults |
| 12:06.21 | Pwntzyou | oh sendwho |
| 12:06.22 | Pwntzyou | thanks |
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| 12:50.02 | Computerpunk | Now, can anyone recommend a replacement for Carbonite? I find it too heavy on CPU. |
| 12:50.13 | drag0nius | QuestHelper2 |
| 12:50.30 | Computerpunk | Not as a Quest Mod. |
| 12:50.38 | drag0nius | then idk |
| 12:50.53 | drag0nius | as minimap tweak? |
| 12:50.57 | drag0nius | theres Chinchilla |
| 12:51.01 | drag0nius | or sth like that |
| 12:51.11 | Computerpunk | More like World Map. |
| 12:51.22 | Computerpunk | I need something which uses the "detail" maps. |
| 12:51.24 | drag0nius | imo minimized worldmap is perfect |
| 12:51.28 | drag0nius | ahh |
| 12:51.33 | drag0nius | then idk |
| 12:51.36 | nevcairiel | those maps are so f'ing ugly |
| 12:51.41 | nevcairiel | i dunno why anyone would want them |
| 12:51.54 | nevcairiel | but I'm glad that there isnt many addons out there that do it :P |
| 12:52.15 | Computerpunk | Guess I'll do with MetaMap and Chinchilla. |
| 12:53.02 | Computerpunk | They're very useful, let's see you want to find some "smart" spots. |
| 12:53.03 | airtonix | nevcairiel, does what |
| 12:53.15 | airtonix | i found one |
| 12:53.18 | airtonix | its under my chair |
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| 12:56.01 | airtonix | ~ping |
| 12:56.01 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:58.50 | olafski | I love carbonite maps too |
| 12:59.04 | olafski | they don't show archaeology spots though so I can't use them atm |
| 12:59.14 | olafski | once I'm done with archaeology I'll enable carbonite again :) |
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| 13:00.48 | Fisker | olafski |
| 13:01.41 | nevcairiel | but why, the maps look like crap when you zoom them any closer then what the minimap shows already |
| 13:01.49 | olafski | why would you do that? |
| 13:01.52 | nevcairiel | and if you dont zoom them, you dont see more detail anyway |
| 13:01.59 | nevcairiel | rather have the maps an artist designed |
| 13:02.14 | olafski | I use that embedded thing.. also nice for plotting my course |
| 13:02.26 | olafski | not to mention the carbonite quest tracker beats the ingame one by far |
| 13:02.39 | nevcairiel | carbonite also beats the game |
| 13:02.42 | nevcairiel | with a big cpu stick |
| 13:02.47 | olafski | oh.. care.... :P |
| 13:02.56 | olafski | such a tired argument |
| 13:03.08 | nevcairiel | It also spams random people that you have on your friendlist with useless messages |
| 13:03.17 | Lulia | It matters to some, when their computer can't handle it. |
| 13:03.18 | olafski | they can defriend me if it bothers them |
| 13:03.26 | nevcairiel | that doesnt work |
| 13:03.29 | nevcairiel | you have to defriend them |
| 13:03.34 | olafski | they can ignore me then =) |
| 13:03.46 | nevcairiel | I used to do that |
| 13:03.49 | olafski | I don't see any of that spam so I don't care |
| 13:06.28 | Computerpunk | What event causes: You loot 9 silver, 74 copper (49 copper deposited to guild bank) |
| 13:06.30 | Computerpunk | ? |
| 13:06.44 | nevcairiel | you loot gold, then that happens |
| 13:06.52 | Computerpunk | Can't seem to find anything related, except PLAYER_MONEY or smth like that. And I found the string formats. |
| 13:06.59 | Computerpunk | Oh, nvm, forgot I got eventtrace. |
| 13:07.15 | nevcairiel | its probably some CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 13:07.35 | Computerpunk | Yeah, player money. |
| 13:07.39 | Computerpunk | PLAYER_MONEY* |
| 13:07.45 | Computerpunk | Seems I need to dump the arguments. |
| 13:07.50 | Computerpunk | Data on it is outdated. |
| 13:09.34 | Fisker | Computerpunk |
| 13:10.04 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 13:15.10 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 13:19.35 | mitchnull | eventtrace shows you the args |
| 13:19.47 | Computerpunk | mitchnull, :o |
| 13:20.08 | Computerpunk | Yeah, that's what I meant with dump. |
| 13:25.20 | Fisker | Computerpunk |
| 13:25.20 | Fisker | you |
| 13:25.28 | Computerpunk | ? |
| 13:25.51 | Fisker | Computerpunk'd |
| 13:26.06 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 13:27.05 | Computerpunk | o.o |
| 13:34.07 | airtonix | Your Face(tm) |
| 13:35.29 | airtonix | Fisker, ok, back to our regular psychosis of the Zombie Invasion (Tm) |
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| 13:36.59 | airtonix | Cide, Fiskers been turned. |
| 13:37.06 | airtonix | need moar headshots |
| 13:38.21 | drag0nius | !api IsSpellKnown |
| 13:38.22 | lua_bot | IsSpellKnown: Returns whether the player (or pet) knows a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsSpellKnown) |
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| 13:41.53 | Zergreth | hiya |
| 13:41.56 | airtonix | no |
| 13:43.13 | Zergreth | need a bit of help here..i had a WoW break, started "playing" again after cata was released (not exactly playing, only developing addons right now); now, with cata, it seems the minimap frames/textures are all created somewhat delayed. i have some code that's supposed to hide some minimap related frames, and it fails to do so on login, but succeeds when reloading the interface |
| 13:43.56 | Zergreth | so i thought, "why not execute that piece of code after the minimap has loaded", and since then, i'm desperately trying to do that, using a secure hook, which doesn't do ANYTHING |
| 13:44.11 | Zergreth | i got my doubts that the functions i'm hooking this stuff to are actually being called at all |
| 13:45.00 | Zergreth | i can call them manually, but they don't seem to be called by the interface itself. i got the function names out of Minimap.lua, delivered with the latest addon kit (yes, the one that is downloaded seperately, the one that was announced on WoWI, too) |
| 13:45.42 | airtonix | care to comment Fisker ? |
| 13:45.46 | Zergreth | hooking Minimap_OnLoad with no success, also tried Minimap_Update and, for fucks sake, Minimap_OnEvent, none of which seem to get called |
| 13:45.56 | Zergreth | help's appreciated, i'm stuck :D |
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| 13:46.50 | airtonix | that's what she said. |
| 13:46.55 | Zergreth | duh |
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| 13:48.49 | Stanzilla | Zergreth: what are you trying to hide? |
| 13:49.18 | Zergreth | zoom buttons, zone text, world map button, some other buttons, some textures |
| 13:49.50 | Stanzilla | I hide that on ADDON_LOADED |
| 13:49.54 | Stanzilla | works for me |
| 13:50.10 | Zergreth | hm |
| 13:50.51 | Zergreth | well, i'll give that a try, but i'm also somewhat worried about my secure hooks not working right now |
| 13:51.00 | Zergreth | i mean, why wouldn't they work anyway? |
| 13:52.23 | Zergreth | it's just so awfully strange :[ |
| 13:52.33 | Fisker | i can math |
| 13:52.40 | airtonix | prove it |
| 13:55.30 | airtonix | ~ping |
| 13:55.30 | purl | ~pong |
| 13:55.40 | airtonix | :( |
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| 14:02.00 | drag0nius | !api GetContainerItemInfo |
| 14:02.00 | lua_bot | GetContainerItemInfo: Returns information about an item in the player's bags (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetContainerItemInfo) |
| 14:02.20 | drag0nius | !api GetItemInfo |
| 14:02.21 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 14:05.28 | Zergreth | both issues resolved, thanks again stanzilla <3 |
| 14:05.29 | Zergreth | bb |
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| 14:11.21 | Fisker |  |
| 14:11.41 | Fisker | i can't be sotpped |
| 14:11.45 | Fisker | stopped |
| 14:13.19 | airtonix | BOOM! |
| 14:13.28 | airtonix | HEEEEEEEAAADDSHOOOOOTTTT! |
| 14:18.54 | foxlit | "ooking Minimap_OnLoad with no success" << You generally cannot hook OnLoads -- by the time your code runs, they've already finished. |
| 14:19.04 | foxlit | And he quit :/ |
| 14:19.37 | airtonix | love the driveby |
| 14:20.02 | airtonix | t- 5sec : hi i need to know how to blah. |
| 14:20.08 | airtonix | t-4sec: anyone ? |
| 14:20.15 | airtonix | t -3sec: RAGEEEEE |
| 14:20.25 | airtonix | t -2sec: plz to hlp me |
| 14:20.33 | airtonix | t -1sec: bye |
| 14:20.45 | airtonix | <drivebyNoob has left the channel> |
| 14:21.26 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 14:21.55 | airtonix | yes sir? |
| 14:22.56 | Fisker | hello |
| 14:23.01 | airtonix | hello |
| 14:23.35 | Fisker | stop hiding |
| 14:24.15 | airtonix | ok |
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| 14:37.11 | Kraps | how good is Battlefield: Bad Company 2? |
| 14:40.09 | airtonix | Krap |
| 14:41.26 | Kraps | no u |
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| 14:45.03 | Fisker | very Kraps |
| 14:48.19 | airtonix | Fisker, how many zombies have you killed ? |
| 14:49.38 | airtonix | btw |
| 14:50.00 | airtonix | i don't actually remember the scientist and cdc in the comic version of the walking dead |
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| 14:51.08 | airtonix | anyway bye |
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| 14:54.15 | Fisker | i will kill you for free airtonix |
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| 15:00.53 | Computerpunk | Hmm. |
| 15:01.01 | Computerpunk | REMOVING COMBAT LOG> |
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| 15:01.11 | Computerpunk | Keeping only Scrolling one. |
| 15:01.11 | Computerpunk | lol |
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| 15:23.58 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 15:27.50 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 15:28.28 | Elkano | don't help him, refere him to PIL |
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| 15:38.37 | Fisker | why would Shirik need help with LUA Elkano ? |
| 15:39.26 | Elkano | I ment it the other way around and in that direction it should be obviuos |
| 15:39.42 | Fisker | Cide needs help with LUA? |
| 15:39.43 | Fisker | :O |
| 15:39.55 | Fisker | i thought he was very proficient in LUA |
| 15:40.34 | Elkano | [System] Fisker is now being ignored. |
| 15:40.43 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:40.58 | Fisker | I just didn't know that Cide saying "Hey shirik" meant i was asking for LUA help |
| 15:41.09 | Fisker | silly me |
| 15:41.28 | Fisker | especially not since i don't actually develop in LUA |
| 15:42.10 | Elkano | you said "hey Cide" :P |
| 15:42.49 | Fisker | and i said "Why would Shirik need help with LUA Elkano ?" |
| 15:42.56 | Fisker | you said it was in the reverse direction |
| 15:43.00 | Fisker | hence it was Cide who needed LUA help |
| 15:43.15 | Fisker | bam |
| 15:43.28 | ckknight | hot damn |
| 15:43.35 | ckknight | it's Lua or lua, never LUA |
| 15:43.50 | ckknight | shakes his fist in Fisker's direction |
| 15:44.03 | Fisker | ckknight LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 15:44.05 | Computerpunk | shakes his fisks in Fister's direction. |
| 15:44.07 | Elkano | I know if I poked you long enough someone would complain ^^ |
| 15:44.26 | Elkano | also, trolling is a art. |
| 15:45.24 | Computerpunk | Never been one. |
| 15:46.37 | Thunder_Child | it's an art Fisker is not very good at |
| 15:47.12 | Thunder_Child | he's the painting by numbers of trolls |
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| 16:08.23 | Fisker | :o jnwhiteh |
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| 16:24.28 | crazedfred | How long OOC does it take Paladins to lose their holy power? Is it a set number of seconds? |
| 16:27.18 | Lulia1 | Yes, and I'm about to test it right now |
| 16:27.21 | Elkano | is it even an ooc timer? |
| 16:27.25 | Lulia1 | Nope |
| 16:27.30 | Lulia1 | It does it in-combat too |
| 16:28.11 | crazedfred | ooo |
| 16:28.49 | Lulia1 | 9 seconds |
| 16:29.33 | crazedfred | gotcha :) |
| 16:29.55 | Lulia1 | Hmm, might be closer to 10 |
| 16:30.10 | crazedfred | someone said it degrades per charge |
| 16:30.18 | Gnarfoz | so it does |
| 16:30.22 | Amarande | I'm guessing that HoPo-using abilities are only going to be used in really frantic situations, then. |
| 16:30.31 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 16:30.35 | Gnarfoz | you use them all the time. |
| 16:30.56 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: because if it times out that quickly, in less frantic situations you're going to want to conserve mana and thus won't be absolutely spamming at the rate you need to not have HoPo fall off? |
| 16:31.00 | Gnarfoz | crazedfred: did you mean that the time it takes a charge to disappear degrades? if so, then no |
| 16:31.03 | Amarande | particularly before 80 |
| 16:31.10 | Gnarfoz | who gives a shit about before 80 |
| 16:31.13 | crazedfred | :( lol |
| 16:31.15 | Lulia1 | You use them all the time |
| 16:31.22 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: before Cataclysm, the gods have placed the first eighty levels |
| 16:31.24 | Elkano | Amarande, they are free wrt mana iirc |
| 16:31.27 | Gnarfoz | also, it takes like *forever* for them to disappear, 10s is *ages* |
| 16:31.33 | Lulia1 | It's not a question, trust me |
| 16:31.43 | Elkano | so you would be wasting the additional charges if you don't use them |
| 16:32.00 | Lulia1 | Exactly |
| 16:32.00 | Amarande | though I haven't tried pally healing yet (my last pally was a tank), so I'm not even sure about that |
| 16:32.17 | Lulia | My main is a Holy Paladin |
| 16:32.17 | Gnarfoz | please just stop theorizing. if there's one thing you do as a pally, it's "use your damn holy power" :P |
| 16:32.18 | Elkano | well, my current main is a prot pala... |
| 16:32.32 | Amarande | most of my healing experience has been on a disc priest, and at her level, with shielding, I barely need to actually heal at all unless it's a boss fight, the tank pulls too much or someone stands in fire |
| 16:32.33 | Elkano | I tried retri a bit but the rota is kind of strange |
| 16:32.46 | Gnarfoz | there is no rotation |
| 16:32.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:32.49 | crazedfred | lol |
| 16:32.57 | Amarande | Ret seems like a bad idea now |
| 16:33.12 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 16:33.12 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 16:33.33 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: a) the fact that ret apparently peaked for a bit and then dropped off a bit with the 4.0.3 nerfs |
| 16:33.37 | Lulia | If you "save" your HPW, you waste it when additional charges come in. That being said, sometimes it's wise to not use it right away if you KNOW you'll need, say, LoD in a few seconds, or if no one needs immediate healing it's okay to "waste" a charge or two of HPW that would be incoming simply to use WoG when it's needed as opposed to wasting it. But, ultimately, if you're holding HPW too long you should just dump it into somethi |
| 16:33.39 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: please just stop, you apparently don't know at all what you're talking about :P |
| 16:33.43 | Elkano | he has this strange AoE attack that doesn't generate HoPo charges but shares CD with CS... |
| 16:33.45 | Amarande | and b) more importantly, with queues as they are, unless you do EVERYTHING in a guild group |
| 16:34.08 | Amarande | You're a pally. You're a class that can tank or heal, and either way get much better queues ... why torment yourself going DPS? |
| 16:34.12 | Thrae | Has *any* class been "buffed" since 4.0? |
| 16:34.16 | Amarande | especially given that Prot is at least as good as ret for soloing, too |
| 16:34.18 | Amarande | Thrae: Frost mages |
| 16:34.20 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: not that I'm aware of |
| 16:34.36 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: prot as good as soloing... right, what? |
| 16:34.43 | Elkano | Amarande, I queue as DD in my prot spec/gear |
| 16:34.53 | Amarande | I think healer pallies have gotten a buff too, but it's hard to tell |
| 16:35.00 | Gnarfoz | uhm they got nerfed, Amarande |
| 16:35.09 | Elkano | since my prot gear isn't yet where I'd like it to be |
| 16:35.12 | Amarande | Frost mages definitely have though ... they've gone from absolute suck to actually being viable PvE |
| 16:35.20 | Thrae | I wish people would be more consistent in their use of buff/nerf, reserving it for when the class has been either buffed to be overpowered or nerfed to underpowered. |
| 16:35.27 | Amarande | for probably the first time since vanilla really |
| 16:35.28 | Elkano | though running instances with 2 tanks is fun ^^ |
| 16:35.33 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: that's not really what those words mean, so, why? |
| 16:35.53 | Gnarfoz | buffed is 'tuned upwards', nerfed is 'tuned downwards' |
| 16:35.57 | crazedfred | oh god I started a flame war |
| 16:36.05 | Amarande | although weirdly, they buffed frost mages but they also buffed arcane mages |
| 16:36.11 | Amarande | like there wasn't already enough reason to choose arcane |
| 16:36.38 | Elkano | Thrae, did you mean "buffed through the ceiling" nad "nerfed to the ground"? ;) |
| 16:36.49 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Everquest wasn't that long ago and that is what it meant back then. Specifically "nerf", which was coined with a phrase like, "Now it's like I'm running around hitting things with a nerf bat." |
| 16:36.53 | Gnarfoz | crazedfred: nah, you just woke up someone who prattles on about things he just conjectured together :D |
| 16:37.06 | crazedfred | heh |
| 16:37.34 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: well, that's not really how it's used in regards to WoW anymore, I guess ;o |
| 16:37.37 | Elkano | crazedfred, "we didn't start the fire..." ;) |
| 16:37.47 | Gnarfoz | we just added fuel to it |
| 16:37.51 | Thrae | Well, maybe it's because I can remember the Everquest and overall pre-WoW days that I personally have different connotations to these phrases. And seriously, the word "nerf" should make anyone think of "soft and ineffective at combat" |
| 16:37.56 | Gnarfoz | gets some more oil |
| 16:37.58 | Thrae | Because Nerf is still around |
| 16:38.13 | Thrae | And it's still a cool kid's toy...and a cool adult toy |
| 16:38.15 | Elkano | Nerf Arena Blast? |
| 16:39.43 | Thrae | But it's also a bit confusing because *outside* the gaming world, "Nerf" has been used for a while by people even older than me. They see things getting "softer and safer" and say they're "going the way of Nerf," using Nerf to be the opitomy of "useless" safety. Like everything was great back the day sticks really hurt and people beat themselves with real bats. |
| 16:40.17 | Thrae | I think the majority of people who've never played a MMORPG would see the word "Nerf" as "Too pussified" |
| 16:40.57 | Thrae | "Why in my days we played Cops & Robbers with real BB guns and dammit, those soldiers who got their eyes shot out always had a story to tell." |
| 16:41.21 | orgevo | natural selection |
| 16:41.24 | Lulia | crazedfred: I'm going to put something into my AddOn for specific time measurement, because my stopwatch is getting variances of a second or more, which must mean I'm terribly slow today, but it's a time value I want to know too, so |
| 16:41.35 | crazedfred | heh sounds good :) |
| 16:41.38 | orgevo | that's why we have so many fucking idiots all over the place now |
| 16:41.41 | crazedfred | mostly I was just curious |
| 16:41.42 | orgevo | nerf |
| 16:42.21 | Thrae | orgevo: Natural Selection would say we should have less fucking idiots, not more. Go watch "Idiocracy". |
| 16:42.58 | orgevo | yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. |
| 16:43.07 | Thrae | s/fucking idiots/idiots/ |
| 16:43.10 | Amarande | Actually, there will always be fifty percent of people with below average intelligence. |
| 16:43.47 | Gnarfoz | seriously? that's a bleak outlook. |
| 16:43.53 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 16:44.03 | Amarande | Gnarfoz, that's kind of the definition of 'average' :) |
| 16:44.22 | Gnarfoz | hands Amarande a brand-spanking-new irony detector |
| 16:45.06 | orgevo | eh, i thought it would be clear what I meant. sorry - natural selection being prevented by things like nerf, et al |
| 16:45.18 | Amarande | orgevo: oh, that's definitely true |
| 16:45.33 | Amarande | we protect people from themselves to the point that we've pretty much kicked natural selection to the curb |
| 16:45.47 | orgevo | ya, that's what I meant. |
| 16:46.14 | Gnarfoz | as someone wise once said: "maybe we should just remove all the safety labels and warning signs and let the problem solve itself" |
| 16:46.27 | orgevo | c'mon! read my mind! you mean i have to actually type what I'm trying to communicate??? how....quaint |
| 16:47.16 | orgevo | Gnarfoz: I'm totally in that camp. |
| 16:47.33 | Elkano | Amarande, that may be true but I'd rather like to see the average moving up than down |
| 16:47.45 | orgevo | it will |
| 16:48.26 | orgevo | well, average gets slowly redefined, I should say. |
| 16:48.27 | Gnarfoz | I couldn't recall who said it, so I googled it... turns out it's a bash.org quote? :D |
| 16:48.30 | Gnarfoz | http://www.bash.org/?4753 |
| 16:48.44 | Elkano | I mean, these days my IQ seems to skyrocket... only because the intelect 100 referes to is having a dump in the basement... |
| 16:48.49 | orgevo | slowly, the dim are weeded out, and you now have an average that is moving up :) |
| 16:50.00 | Elkano | orgevo, like Thrae said, go watch the first few minutes of Idiocracy... |
| 16:50.17 | orgevo | I've seen it. |
| 16:50.26 | orgevo | just tell me what you're trying to illustrate. |
| 16:50.36 | orgevo | that is different from what I'm saying |
| 16:50.40 | Elkano | even if large amounts of dumb people remove themselves from the pool there are way too many being put in there :/ |
| 16:50.43 | Thrae | Elkano: Actually, more like the scene where Luke Wilson's character realizes what time period he's in ;) |
| 16:51.56 | orgevo | Yeah, I suppose it could always end up going the route of the plot from time machine |
| 16:52.38 | Amarande | Elkano: I suppose you could make a law that says everyone with below average intelligence gets executed |
| 16:52.42 | Elkano | ah time machine... I liked the hologram in the newer movie version |
| 16:52.46 | Amarande | but that would be a lonely world after a surprisingly small number of iterations. |
| 16:52.59 | Amarande | never mind the ethical and moral implications. |
| 16:53.46 | orgevo | well obviously we're throwing ethical and moral implications out the window in this discussion. |
| 16:54.00 | orgevo | but I don't think that would be a sound practice based on biology |
| 16:54.23 | orgevo | dim + dim sometimes produces genius |
| 16:55.13 | Amarande | orgevo: they wouldn't matter after a bit less than thirty iterations anyway. |
| 16:55.26 | Amarande | because you'd take out the lower half of intelligence. oops, then you have to recenter it, which means half again are below average ... |
| 16:55.40 | Amarande | ... yeah, eventually you don't *have* a society anyway, since there's going to be only one left. :P |
| 16:56.08 | orgevo | well, as long as the upper 30% weren't just big assholes.. |
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| 16:56.25 | Fisker | Thrae |
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| 16:57.30 | orgevo | hmm, yeah I thought about that. |
| 16:57.31 | Elkano | ok, what did I miss? last thing I got was executing < avg |
| 16:57.37 | crazedfred | rofl |
| 16:58.02 | orgevo | I think the reason why it's starting to not make sense is because I'm not thinking "go out and let's collect all the dummies" |
| 16:58.08 | crazedfred | Meanwhile, I think I finally got my paladin stuff figured out, but the cost was a Randian argument in #wowuidev |
| 16:58.14 | orgevo | i'm thinking "stoping protecting the dummies from themselves" |
| 16:58.43 | Elkano | orgevo, yeah, just let natural selection do its job again |
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| 17:00.20 | Lulia | What stuff, Crazedfred? |
| 17:00.54 | crazedfred | Lulia: I was trying to figure out simple macros |
| 17:01.10 | orgevo | crazedfred: seriously? You actually took something away from that conversation? don't think we were going for that effect at all.... |
| 17:01.12 | orgevo | lol |
| 17:01.33 | Lulia | Interesting, it seems you get two UNIT_POWER firings when you get to max HPW |
| 17:01.38 | crazedfred | orgevo: I wasn't really reading it, but "natural selection" talks usually end up |
| 17:02.17 | Zhinjio | can a macro check for the presence of an aura? |
| 17:02.34 | Lulia | Crazedfred: It's 10 seconds by the way |
| 17:02.56 | crazedfred | Lulia: thanks :) |
| 17:03.06 | Lulia | And I needed to figure it out for myself for something I'd like to add to the AddOn |
| 17:03.08 | orgevo | yeah i'm totally lost. but i'll just assume that what you're saying makes sense; i've been up a long time :P |
| 17:03.23 | Lulia | I'm going to add a feature which slowly lowers the opacity to show the charge "fading" |
| 17:03.33 | crazedfred | Lulia: I was working on a "get Holy Power then use it" macro |
| 17:03.35 | Lulia | For people that want to know when it runs out |
| 17:03.51 | crazedfred | Lulia: the problem is that if I go OOC (for example, farming trash) I have the rotation reset |
| 17:03.57 | crazedfred | and I waste Holy Power |
| 17:04.56 | orgevo | sorry, what's OOC? |
| 17:05.01 | Lulia | out of combat |
| 17:05.02 | crazedfred | Out Of Combat |
| 17:05.05 | orgevo | yep |
| 17:05.14 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:05.24 | orgevo | i was right |
| 17:05.33 | Lulia | It's not actually going down at all in-combat |
| 17:05.34 | crazedfred | Now I have cool macros made up like this one: http://wow.pastebin.com/GrUs8Gfc |
| 17:05.40 | orgevo | I was sitting here thinking "i'm going to feel really dumb when they tell me" |
| 17:05.47 | crazedfred | Lulia: that is in agreement with what I've seen |
| 17:05.52 | Lulia | I thought it degraded in both, not that I actually gave it time to, in general |
| 17:05.53 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:05.59 | crazedfred | Lulia: I don't think Holy Power goes down unless OOC |
| 17:06.24 | Lulia | Yeah, that might be the case, it's good to know, I suppose, but, in the end, I'll generally be using it anyways |
| 17:06.30 | crazedfred | Lulia: so you're saying 10 seconds OOC is the limiter for Holy Power? |
| 17:06.46 | orgevo | mmm, no that doesn't sound quite right |
| 17:06.52 | orgevo | it seems a little longer |
| 17:06.56 | Lulia | Crazedfred, yeah |
| 17:07.08 | Lulia | orgevo, I just tested it with a timer in my addon |
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| 17:07.14 | crazedfred | yea orgevo an approximation is OK with my macro |
| 17:07.15 | orgevo | ah |
| 17:07.28 | Lulia | It might not be exactly 10, it could be like 10.3 or something |
| 17:07.31 | crazedfred | what I'm doing ATM is essentially "/castsequence reset=combat Hammer of the Righteous,Judgement,Hammer of the Righteous,Hammer of the Righteous,Shield of the Righteous" |
| 17:07.42 | orgevo | well i'll take your word - i haven't looked into the exact decay rate |
| 17:07.46 | crazedfred | I was hopping to remove the reset=combat and make it reset=20 or something |
| 17:08.19 | crazedfred | I think I'll make it reset=15 |
| 17:08.54 | orgevo | why don't you use holy wrath between the second and third hammmer of righteous |
| 17:09.02 | Lulia | why 15? |
| 17:09.15 | orgevo | holy wrath or avenger's shield, depending on which cycle you're on |
| 17:09.30 | crazedfred | let me see what Holy Wrath is |
| 17:10.02 | crazedfred | Lulia: so the rotation has time to finish in combat but will most likely reset OOC |
| 17:10.05 | orgevo | there's a name for the rotation, one of those number names....i'm guessing it related to the number of seconds, but i never really cared |
| 17:10.27 | crazedfred | Holy Wrath doesn't generate holy power? |
| 17:10.29 | orgevo | but the whole rotation is 6 holy power worth |
| 17:10.38 | orgevo | and doesn't waste any gcd |
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| 17:11.32 | orgevo | hotr, judgement, hotr, holy wrath, hotr, WoG/sotr. hotr, judgement, hotr, avenger's shield, hotr, WoG/sotr |
| 17:12.10 | crazedfred | oh, you add a holy wrath just to use the GCD? |
| 17:12.24 | orgevo | holy wrath isn't to generate holy power, it's for use while hotr/cs is on CD |
| 17:12.33 | crazedfred | makes sense |
| 17:12.50 | crazedfred | 0.0Hammer of the Righteous (1) |
| 17:12.50 | crazedfred | 1.5Judgement |
| 17:12.51 | crazedfred | 3.0Hammer of the Righteous (2) |
| 17:12.51 | crazedfred | 6.0Hammer of the Righteous (3) |
| 17:12.51 | crazedfred | 7.5Shield of the Righteous |
| 17:12.59 | crazedfred | that's the timing so far, so I can see the gap |
| 17:13.00 | amro | spammer of the righteous |
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| 17:13.03 | amro | pastebin that |
| 17:13.03 | crazedfred | :) |
| 17:13.09 | orgevo | and if you try it out, you'll see that you're never waiting for anything. |
| 17:13.10 | orgevo | pretty neat |
| 17:13.14 | crazedfred | makes sense |
| 17:13.50 | crazedfred | now I want a guild name <Spammer of the Righteous> |
| 17:14.14 | amro | trademarked |
| 17:14.17 | amro | I want royalties |
| 17:14.26 | crazedfred | rgr that |
| 17:14.28 | Elkano | so no Consecration? |
| 17:14.33 | crazedfred | we can work something out :) |
| 17:14.43 | crazedfred | I should put consecration in there.... |
| 17:14.51 | orgevo | and you can replace an avenger's shield or a holy wrath with consecrate or whatever ya need situational. But when I do that I just screw up my rotation most of the time, and waste like 2 cycles of holy power only having 2 or something. |
| 17:15.03 | orgevo | heh |
| 17:15.22 | Elkano | also depending on the fight you may want to keep your AS for interrupts |
| 17:15.23 | Lulia | So... |
| 17:15.24 | orgevo | of course, you can replace hammer of the righteous with crusader strike, depending on whether you're aoe or single target |
| 17:15.33 | Lulia | It looks like Blizzard doesn't even use an exact number themselves |
| 17:15.40 | Lulia | O.o |
| 17:15.46 | orgevo | interrupts are best left to DPS for pally tanks |
| 17:15.55 | Lulia | This is really odd |
| 17:15.56 | orgevo | AS generates a massive amount of threat when in combat |
| 17:16.19 | Elkano | orgevo, in a guild group ok, but with randoms it already sucks I have to leave healing to them ;) |
| 17:16.30 | Lulia | http://www.pastey.net/144063 |
| 17:16.34 | Lulia | Take a look at that |
| 17:16.45 | Lulia | O.o |
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| 17:16.59 | orgevo | at least bears finally have a respectable interrupt |
| 17:17.20 | Lulia | If the differences were less than a second it would be alright |
| 17:17.31 | Lulia | But there's a difference of 1.73 seconds between two of the decay times |
| 17:17.33 | Lulia | O.o |
| 17:18.09 | Lulia | I can't make an accurate timer if it's not the same decay time every time... |
| 17:18.16 | orgevo | sorry - what are we looking at? |
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| 17:18.28 | orgevo | should have logged what abilities were being used, when |
| 17:18.30 | Lulia | That's some output from my AddOn regarding the decay time of HPW |
| 17:18.37 | Lulia | It doesn't need to |
| 17:18.49 | Lulia | That's from the UNIT_POWER event firing itself, specifically for Holy Power |
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| 17:19.25 | Lulia | So whenever you see "Holy Power Gained!" that's UNIT_POWER firing once with an argument of "HOLY_POWER" if you see it fire twice it means it's full, because for some reason it fires twice for 3/3 |
| 17:19.27 | crazedfred | orgevo: why not start the rotation with avenger's shield? |
| 17:19.35 | Fisker | i am the law Elkano |
| 17:19.48 | Elkano | no, oyu are the lawl |
| 17:19.55 | Lulia | When you see "Holy Power Lost!" that's it firing for losing a charge of HPW |
| 17:20.17 | Lulia | Whenever HPW is changed I have it grab the time and store it in a "last time" variable |
| 17:20.40 | Lulia | Whenever it's lost I grab the time and subtract them to get an elapsed time and display that |
| 17:20.54 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/12/500x_03penny17.jpg |
| 17:21.42 | Fisker | no way to see how much has been generated by cash flow? |
| 17:22.22 | Fisker | btw old Kraps |
| 17:22.33 | orgevo | crazedfred: You can start the rotation with whatever you want to. The actual sequence begins when you use the first ability that generates holy power. |
| 17:22.37 | Kraps | your mom is old Fisker |
| 17:22.47 | crazedfred | orgevo: makes sense. Incomming pastebin in a minute |
| 17:22.48 | orgevo | although |
| 17:23.03 | orgevo | it's possible that AS would not be off of CD by the time it was needed in the second cycle |
| 17:23.18 | orgevo | but I'm pretty sure it is. |
| 17:23.20 | Fisker | yes Kraps she is |
| 17:23.25 | orgevo | i almost always pull with AS |
| 17:23.37 | Kraps | Fisker: i know |
| 17:24.10 | Fisker | Kraps: i know |
| 17:24.54 | crazedfred | orgevo: here's the final version - http://wow.pastebin.com/8K8xsKMJ |
| 17:25.01 | crazedfred | I think it's right |
| 17:25.20 | orgevo | Lulia: I realize that output was just for the purpose of tracking down something specific, but you can get the same output from eventrace (or better yet, the version with filtering support - dtevents) |
| 17:26.15 | Amarande | HPW? Don't people usually call it HoPo? :) |
| 17:26.23 | orgevo | crazedfred: Yeah, that's right, but honestly you don't want that on a cast sequence |
| 17:26.25 | Kraps | Fisker: penis? |
| 17:26.30 | Fisker | Kraps: i know |
| 17:26.30 | Amarande | But then, most people call Orgrimmar Org while I and some of my friends call it Oggy |
| 17:26.35 | crazedfred | orgevo: you do if you multibox ;) |
| 17:27.22 | orgevo | you need to swap out HotR for CS situationally; you also need to swap out WoG & SotR based on situation |
| 17:27.40 | Fisker | wat? |
| 17:27.48 | orgevo | WoG serves 3 purposes in pally tanking |
| 17:27.58 | Kraps | Fisker: penis |
| 17:28.00 | orgevo | aoe threat = great |
| 17:28.14 | orgevo | heals you = good, but usually not an issue |
| 17:28.45 | orgevo | proc's the talent that increases your dodge (forget the name) |
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| 17:29.08 | orgevo | = the main reason you want to make sure you're using WoG every other cycle, or so |
| 17:29.53 | crazedfred | orgevo: I'm multiboxing, so maximum efficiency isn't the issue at hand |
| 17:29.56 | orgevo | (or maybe it increases your block chance, I don't remember. it used to be an ability, that you had to use every 12 seconds or so - now it's a talent that is proc'd from WoG) |
| 17:30.22 | Elkano | orgevo, used to be block chance, now is block amount |
| 17:30.33 | Elkano | but SoR does that, too |
| 17:30.45 | Fisker | want new client patch already |
| 17:30.54 | Fisker | but probably won't be one until 2011 unless it's on tuesday :( |
| 17:31.00 | Fisker | which is unlikely |
| 17:31.09 | Kraps | i need a hug Fisker |
| 17:31.12 | orgevo | holy shield |
| 17:31.14 | orgevo | that's it |
| 17:31.26 | Fisker | yeah i was like "wtf is he talking about" :o |
| 17:31.44 | Fisker | but i guess some selfhealing might be smart when you're good enough on threat |
| 17:32.22 | orgevo | talking to me? |
| 17:32.27 | orgevo | WoG isn't only self-healing |
| 17:32.39 | orgevo | it gives you a dmg bubble for the overheal amount |
| 17:32.46 | crazedfred | are there any good macro addons ATM? |
| 17:32.49 | Elkano | WoG used to be so much more fun in BC/WotLK dungeons where you could just heal yourself so the healer could do DD/group heal |
| 17:33.36 | Gnarfoz | orgevo: but you have to talent into that, not every spec takes those |
| 17:33.43 | Fisker | yes because of course a self-absorb equilivant to the amount of overhealing is soooooooooo new and exciting |
| 17:33.45 | Elkano | orgevo, but with cata it's hardly noticeable anymore... it heals for at most 20k I think |
| 17:33.52 | Fisker | (lol'd) |
| 17:33.53 | Gnarfoz | <Fisker> no way to see how much has been generated by cash flow? <-- there's supposed to be *one* line per day in gbank gold log that shows it for the day |
| 17:34.20 | Amarande | Elkano: healers in general are complaining that heals in general are hardly noticeable anymore |
| 17:34.40 | Fisker | nothings Gnarfoz |
| 17:34.41 | Amarande | that they're not scaling well at all to the massive jump in HP for cata, while the mana costs are horrendous |
| 17:34.51 | Gnarfoz | talenting into those "free WoG" and "more WoG healing" and "absorb shield" talents is fun though, if you try weird stuff like achievements, you can become self-sustaining and just keep yourself alive infinitely, while, say, off-tanking some adds or whatever |
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| 17:38.39 | Lulia | Amarande: That's because they're not looking at healing with a proper mindset |
| 17:39.16 | Kraps | i lol'd http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1577520268 |
| 17:39.21 | Amarande | Lulia: probably also because in most PUGs they have to heal more than was designed for |
| 17:39.29 | Amarande | since DPS aren't used to CCing and avoiding damage |
| 17:39.58 | Amarande | it takes time, if you weren't in BC. hell, I was a 10/12 HMs raider in ICC, and avoiding damage on my DK in cata can be difficult. |
| 17:40.02 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 17:40.03 | Fisker | no. |
| 17:40.20 | Kraps | y u dont want sexy pic Fisker |
| 17:40.57 | Lulia | Amarande: Many healers have specifically complained that their heals feel small in comparison to life pools, that they didn't grow in size as they leveled, while mana costs jumped up. Their frustration in PUG groups is a consequence of this, but their complaint stems from not understanding the intent of the new healing model. |
| 17:42.06 | wereHamster | 'PUG groups' ? |
| 17:42.34 | foxlit_ | wereHamster: PIN number. |
| 17:42.39 | wereHamster | atm machine |
| 17:43.01 | Thunder_Child | pin number |
| 17:43.05 | Thunder_Child | nic card |
| 17:43.08 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 17:43.27 | Thunder_Child | (yes, i ignored foxlit_) |
| 17:43.37 | Amarande | Lulia: what is the intent of the new healing model, then? |
| 17:43.51 | Amarande | (My highest level healer is still 71, so I'm guessing I'm not going to really hit it till 81.) |
| 17:44.16 | Amarande | What I do know is that ICC itself has not gotten all that much easier in Cata, either, in large part because healers are OOMing badly at 85. |
| 17:44.18 | Lulia | The intent of the new healing model is to keep people alive, and that's it. |
| 17:44.47 | wereHamster | 'keep people alive' - as opposed to what else? |
| 17:44.53 | wereHamster | lte them die? |
| 17:44.59 | Amarande | wereHamster: in LK, there was a premium on topping people up |
| 17:44.59 | Lulia | You don't need to top someone off or keep their bars full to keep them alive |
| 17:45.07 | wereHamster | that's a pretty stupid healing model if you ask me.. |
| 17:45.20 | Lulia | In LK you sort of had to, since anything less than full could easily mean death |
| 17:45.23 | Lulia | Then don't heal |
| 17:45.28 | Lulia | Or don't play the game |
| 17:45.33 | Amarande | wereHamster: actually, there are plenty of RPGs where healing someone to full is not the most efficient use of resources. |
| 17:45.35 | Lulia | It's the model, and that's the way it is. |
| 17:45.45 | Amarande | go play a no sphere grid challenge in Final Fantasy X, for instance, and you'll see. ;) |
| 17:45.58 | wereHamster | ah, so you meant 'keep people at 100% hp' .. ? |
| 17:46.00 | Amarande | *especially* if you forbid yourself item customization, too |
| 17:46.15 | wereHamster | er.. or was that in LK? |
| 17:46.22 | Lulia | I dislike how weak it makes me feel, but I like that it makes the encounters feel more like they should. |
| 17:46.25 | Amarande | yeah, that was LK, people had to be kept at 100% |
| 17:46.30 | sylvanaar | anyone have the IDK emoticon? |
| 17:46.34 | wereHamster | never played LK |
| 17:46.36 | Lulia | I mean, when you read a story, the heroes don't beat the big bad boss and come out of it without wounds |
| 17:46.37 | Amarande | especially tanks, because by design most bosses were meant to two-shot tanks, so you had to heal EVERY hit |
| 17:46.44 | sylvanaar | IDC |
| 17:46.51 | sylvanaar | no, IDK |
| 17:47.08 | Lulia | But in most games you heal people to full so when the battle is over everyone is nice and bright and shiny with green health bars, with no threat of danger whatsoever. |
| 17:47.23 | Amarande | Lulia: maybe most MMOs |
| 17:47.26 | Amarande | hardly most games :) |
| 17:47.29 | wereHamster | I heard nowadays people have 100k HP. That's quite a jump from the ~10k I remember a couple years ago |
| 17:47.39 | Amarande | most JRPGs for instance I tend to come out of boss battles with lowish health a lot of the time |
| 17:47.39 | Lulia | I'd say most games too, which is why it carries over into most MMOs |
| 17:47.40 | ChaosInc | Heroes in books actually die as well, not get magically rezzed endlessly |
| 17:47.41 | nevcairiel | 10k was tanks in classic |
| 17:47.45 | Lulia | I'm talking about games that let you heal |
| 17:47.55 | Amarande | the main exceptions I can think of being Legend of Dragoon and .hack |
| 17:47.56 | nevcairiel | but this expansion was the biggest HP boost of all times anyway |
| 17:48.06 | sylvanaar | its like \_(o.o)_/ |
| 17:48.11 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: could be. I played BC until lvl 66 and then stopped |
| 17:48.14 | sylvanaar | but with 2 more chars on it |
| 17:48.29 | Amarande | But that was because in LoD, healing items were always either 50% or 100% of max health, while .hack was meant to simulate an MMORPG and thus MMO-ish traits are to be expected |
| 17:48.29 | Lulia | ChaosInc: sometimes you have to inhibit certain things for gameplay. But if Blizzard is willing to balance the challenge of encounters around not healing to full, then I'm all for it, makes it feel more epic |
| 17:49.27 | Kraps | DPS, how long are your queues? |
| 17:49.59 | sylvanaar | ¯\_(O.o)_/¯ is it this? |
| 17:50.36 | Amarande | Kraps: seems to depend on level, and can be actually strange at one point (84) |
| 17:50.57 | Amarande | low 60s, Silvermoon server Alliance, about 10-15 min. |
| 17:51.04 | Amarande | 80-84, Turalyon server Horde, could be 30-40 min. |
| 17:51.17 | Amarande | What's strange is that at 84, if I queued for ONLY the 85 dungeons and not a Random, it would fall to 20 min or so. |
| 17:51.18 | Kraps | at 80 |
| 17:51.24 | Amarande | 85, Turalyon server Horde, about 20 min. |
| 17:51.25 | Kraps | err 85 |
| 17:52.14 | Amarande | Worst-case queues I've seen, about 45 min (reg HoR, during last few months of LK), and 2 hours + (Stratholme at-level, during last few months of LK). |
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| 17:55.55 | Kraps | why is everyone on the forums so angry? |
| 17:56.03 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 17:56.09 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 17:56.23 | Fisker | the question you should be asking is why am i so awesome? |
| 17:56.40 | Kraps | but you arent |
| 17:56.49 | Kraps | so its a non-question |
| 17:56.52 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: You there? |
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| 17:58.50 | sylvanaar | or maybe ?\_(O.o)_/? |
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| 18:04.37 | Lulia | Oh, can somone send me a PM on wowi? I want to see if the new system alerts me |
| 18:06.16 | Lulia | Hmm, isn't the engineering flying mount supposed to be air and ground now? |
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| 18:06.21 | gain | hey |
| 18:06.32 | gain | is there an addon to change your fonts |
| 18:07.27 | Amarande | Lulia: all flying mounts are air and ground now |
| 18:07.32 | Amarande | some of them look kind of silly on the ground though |
| 18:08.01 | Lulia | Well, I thought it was designated specifically air and ground, aka like the Headless Horseman |
| 18:08.10 | Lulia | Ground mounts can be used while swimming, air mounts cant |
| 18:08.13 | Fisker | i hate people |
| 18:08.23 | Fisker | So someone is asking for help |
| 18:08.31 | Lulia | Headless Horseman can be used while swimming, the helicopter from Engineering can't :-/ |
| 18:08.31 | Fisker | you provide him with a link that walks through what he should do |
| 18:08.35 | Fisker | he then claims it didn't work |
| 18:08.43 | Fisker | Then someone posts the same solution and suddenly it works |
| 18:08.45 | Fisker | MAGIC |
| 18:09.51 | Lulia | lol, Fisker, link? |
| 18:10.02 | Kraps | Fisker: obviously, your argument is invalid |
| 18:10.04 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1302970766?page=1#7 |
| 18:10.32 | gain | anyone? an addon to change your font? |
| 18:10.40 | Fisker | fontain! |
| 18:10.45 | nevcairiel | tekticles |
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| 18:15.12 | gain | these haven't been updated for a while :P |
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| 18:19.15 | Fisker | so what? |
| 18:19.53 | gain | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/fonter.aspx |
| 18:19.56 | gain | that looks to be good |
| 18:27.33 | sylvanaar | ##Showtooltip doesnt work anymore does it? |
| 18:28.04 | sylvanaar | is bad at macros |
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| 18:29.30 | sylvanaar | apparently its #showtooltip, and even that doesnt show the tooltip |
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| 18:31.24 | Fisker | do you have anything after? |
| 18:31.26 | Fisker | works fine here |
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| 18:35.15 | nevcairiel | works fine for me too |
| 18:43.04 | Kraps | tut tut, people lying about their harry potter torrents being screeners |
| 18:45.03 | Kraps | HOW DO THEY LIVE WITH THEMSELVES |
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| 19:13.08 | crazedfred | Kraps: have you found a non-cam yet? I haven't :( |
| 19:14.16 | Kraps | i found one that might have been but it was taken down |
| 19:14.27 | Kraps | i'm not looking too hard |
| 19:14.33 | crazedfred | you can't take down a torrent! *tinfoil* |
| 19:14.48 | Amarande | is it better to use troll tablets, dwarven runestones etc. as soon as you get them, or are they better saved for certain artifacts that pop up at high levels? |
| 19:14.49 | Kraps | i was going to wait anyway |
| 19:15.03 | Amarande | (and are there any that *require* the green archaeology items, and can't be made from normal fragments only?) |
| 19:15.21 | Kraps | Amarande: i read that the dwarven and troll ones are worth saving |
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| 19:16.09 | Amarande | Kraps: they do seem to sell fairly decently on AH, from when I checked |
| 19:16.30 | Amarande | I'm wondering if I use them to grind to 300 faster if I'm going to end up with artifacts I can't do because you *have* to have a tablet/stone, and can't just get them from fragments |
| 19:17.01 | Amarande | being 64 and in outland, I'm kind of wanting to catch up more quickly so I can dig while questing |
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| 19:24.31 | Amarande | also when you hit 300, do you *only* get digsites in outland, or do you get them in addition to the four per original continent? |
| 19:24.37 | Amarande | (and no race's artifacts ever gray out, it's always 5 per?) |
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| 19:24.46 | Fisker | you get both |
| 19:24.59 | Fisker | but outland is easier |
| 19:27.26 | zenzelezz | Amarande: you still get dig sites in Old Azeroth |
| 19:27.35 | zenzelezz | but they don't "steal" spawn points |
| 19:27.42 | zenzelezz | you get 4 in Old World, 4 in Outland |
| 19:28.05 | zenzelezz | same with Northrend |
| 19:28.46 | Amarande | zenzelezz: and you still get points for solving artifacts from any continent? |
| 19:28.55 | zenzelezz | Amarande: yes |
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| 19:29.10 | zenzelezz | I got to 425 exclusively from Old World |
| 19:30.17 | Amarande | (also, do you ever *run out* of artifacts, or do you just endlessly get repeats of the vendor trash ones eventually?) |
| 19:30.17 | Kraps | interesting comment about the what-will-kill-WoW debate: look at CS and CS1 (pre SC2), those games are really old and are still THE FPS and RTS, no matter what came after |
| 19:30.46 | zenzelezz | I assume that's "CS and SC1"? |
| 19:30.47 | Kraps | s/CS1/SC1/ |
| 19:30.50 | Amarande | Kraps: I think if anything kills WoW, it's probably going to be SW:TOR |
| 19:31.01 | Amarande | because of the combination of Star Wars license and the Bioware name |
| 19:31.08 | Kraps | Amarande: the point is, it still wont |
| 19:31.52 | Kraps | the MW series is a huge franchise, and yet CS is still THE FPS |
| 19:32.44 | zenzelezz | when I finally went to Outland and start doing archaeology there, my very first Draenei artifact was... a 130-fragment rare x.x |
| 19:32.48 | Lulia | SC2 will easily replace SC1 |
| 19:32.53 | Lulia | It already is |
| 19:33.17 | Kraps | thats why i said pre SC2 |
| 19:33.30 | Lulia | For some reason I skipped over that |
| 19:33.37 | Kraps | :p |
| 19:33.37 | Lulia | I literally just didn't read the parentheses |
| 19:34.00 | Amarande | You know, I never really quite got why CS was so popular |
| 19:34.15 | zenzelezz | Amarande: right time, right place, nothing more |
| 19:34.15 | Lulia | But, SC1's success is why SC2 is "so like SC1" for sure |
| 19:34.21 | Amarande | Especially in the case of tournaments, where you'd think a straight team deathmatch game would make for a better tournament base |
| 19:35.34 | Amarande | Lulia: did they still use spellings like "pwn"? :) |
| 19:36.57 | Thrae | Question for Druids...does having multiple stacks of Lacerate increase the chance of Free Mangle from Berserk procs enough to lessen the priority of Pulverize eating them up? |
| 19:37.03 | Amarande | other random ponderings: anyone else find it strange that Seradane is and has always been worth significantly less explore XP than the rest of Hinterlands? |
| 19:37.26 | Amarande | Even when they had the 62 elite dragonkin there, it was still only worth about half as much XP to explore than the lower level main portions of the zone. |
| 19:37.52 | foxlit_ | Thrae: I find that the lacerate/pulverize mechanics have a natural flow that ensures that you keep up the pulverize buff. |
| 19:38.04 | Lulia | Same reason there's fatigued water between Darnassus and the main land? |
| 19:38.06 | foxlit_ | So that feels good to me. |
| 19:39.04 | Thrae | foxlit_: I was thinking (not 85 yet) that it would be Mangle, Lacerate x3, etc., Pulverize when Lacerate is just about to fall off. Instead of re-applying Lacerate. |
| 19:40.07 | zenzelezz | snuggles Cairenn |
| 19:40.18 | Cairenn | hugs zenzelezz |
| 19:40.22 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn |
| 19:40.27 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 19:40.42 | Lulia | hugs Cairenn. |
| 19:40.48 | Cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 19:40.59 | Elkano | Cairenn :) http://i.imgur.com/DTscp.jpg |
| 19:41.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:41.32 | Amarande | This has to be an evil dig site for lower level Alliance ... :| |
| 19:41.33 | zenzelezz | my Linux computer's called stalin... |
| 19:42.01 | ChaosInc | Cairenn is overrated. ;) |
| 19:42.08 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 19:42.12 | Elkano | is it stalin-g? *instantrimshot* |
| 19:42.18 | Amarande | The huge one along the river in Hillsbrad, which stretches between three distinct and separate Horde outposts. |
| 19:42.24 | Cairenn | pokes Elkano |
| 19:42.27 | zenzelezz | Elkano: nope :-p |
| 19:42.32 | Cairenn | chuckles at ChaosInc |
| 19:42.35 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 19:42.37 | Amarande | I wonder if the Horde guards here are as aggro happy as the blasted Southshore ones were when I quested as Horde |
| 19:42.44 | Cairenn | hi Fisker |
| 19:42.49 | Amarande | My machine is named Alviarin. :) |
| 19:42.58 | Cairenn | hey Fisker, did you once kill a guy recently? |
| 19:43.07 | Fisker | that depends |
| 19:43.30 | zenzelezz | he probably did out of frustration for how sucky the Danish handball team was |
| 19:43.40 | Fisker | nah |
| 19:43.48 | Fisker | i couldn't care less about handball |
| 19:43.55 | Amarande | Cairenn, apparently, and soon he'll have to start listening to crazy guys asking Scaramouche to do the fandango and singing Galileo Figaro |
| 19:44.03 | Elkano | well, he just killed a man... put a gun against his head... pulled the trigger.. now he's dead... |
| 19:44.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:44.10 | Amarande | ^5 Elk |
| 19:44.13 | Amarande | you were thinking the same :D |
| 19:44.31 | Amarande | (Also, I think "Galileo Figaro" would be a great name for a guild somewhere.) |
| 19:44.41 | Elkano | well, I made that phun yesterday, too ;) |
| 19:44.43 | Amarande | Or maybe an arena team. |
| 19:44.59 | Amarande | hmm, anyone know if mages are viable in arena in cata? |
| 19:45.18 | Amarande | (by "viable" I mean "has a reasonable chance at getting a good enough rating to actually get gear") |
| 19:45.34 | Elkano | just do rated BGs ;) |
| 19:45.39 | Amarande | also, do BG ratings help you with gear at all or is it still strictly based on 3-on-3 and 5-on-5 battles? |
| 19:48.04 | zenzelezz | "Intel's Atom To Ship In Over 35 Tablets Next Year" - now I always thought tablets were overhyped, but I would think they expected to sell more than 35 of them... |
| 19:48.08 | Fisker | i'm like judge dredd Elkano |
| 19:48.12 | Fisker | i.e. i am the law |
| 19:48.23 | nevcairiel | 35 models, duh |
| 19:48.35 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: what's not stated is left open to wordplay |
| 19:48.35 | Fisker | it also said "Over 35" |
| 19:48.40 | Fisker | so there |
| 19:48.47 | Elkano | fisker, I told you before... the lawl... the lawL! |
| 19:48.52 | Fisker | the law |
| 19:48.54 | Elkano | btw, science anyone? http://asset.soup.io/asset/1346/0892_2545.gif |
| 19:49.28 | nevcairiel | soup.io so sucks, the loading of images is so slow |
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| 19:50.11 | zenzelezz | soup.io? |
| 19:50.15 | Elkano | get a better connection ;) |
| 19:50.25 | nevcairiel | my connection is plenty fast |
| 19:50.28 | Fisker | same |
| 19:50.46 | Elkano | (to them, not overall) |
| 19:50.47 | nevcairiel | its loading like one frame every second |
| 19:51.48 | Fisker | maybe they should get a better connection to us Elkano |
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| 20:02.40 | Kraps | bawww the chewy cookies are hardening and the package wasnt even open |
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| 20:03.52 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Kraps |
| 20:03.53 | purl | Kraps: FAIL! |
| 20:04.08 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: !!! |
| 20:04.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: dont look at me like that |
| 20:08.59 | cogwheel | wow... smirnoff ice mango is a lot better than i thought it'd be.. |
| 20:10.15 | Amarande | cogwheel: please don't mention awesome new alcoholic beverages to me today :| |
| 20:10.32 | Amarande | you can mention that Tuesday. :) |
| 20:10.35 | Elkano | I'd still rather go with a white russian now.. |
| 20:10.40 | Amarande | grumbles |
| 20:10.47 | Amarande | It's Sunday, and I live in a state that has a no-Sunday-liquor law. |
| 20:11.05 | zenzelezz | no selling/buying, or no drinking? |
| 20:11.06 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: do you ever drink a liquid that dosent affect you in some way? |
| 20:11.16 | Elkano | Amarande, how about a virgin Cuba Libre? |
| 20:11.26 | zenzelezz | even water affects you |
| 20:11.30 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: considering water affects you in some way, no |
| 20:11.59 | Thunder_Child | s/you i/your brain/ |
| 20:12.05 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: considering water affects you in some way, no |
| 20:12.12 | Thunder_Child | not your brain |
| 20:12.13 | cogwheel | s/you/your brain/ |
| 20:12.20 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 20:12.22 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:12.29 | Thunder_Child | it's not mind altering |
| 20:12.39 | cogwheel | you said brain |
| 20:12.47 | cogwheel | and i also would beg to differ |
| 20:12.50 | Thunder_Child | and the mind is? |
| 20:14.02 | zenzelezz | so one thing I learned while doing archaeology... if you keep your map open while flying between sites, keep it on zone-level, not continent-level, or travel feels so much slower |
| 20:14.08 | cogwheel | s/some way/a noticeable way/ and we may get somewhere :P |
| 20:15.09 | Thunder_Child | you can really take the fun out of trolling sometimes cogwheel |
| 20:15.19 | cogwheel | I'm a troll's troll |
| 20:15.31 | Thunder_Child | more like a troll deflater |
| 20:15.53 | cogwheel | troll better imo |
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| 20:15.56 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1xqrdtJs8w this one freaked me out as a kid and i would watch is over and over to try to understand it |
| 20:16.17 | Thunder_Child | pfft, i'm not willing to put that much effort into trolling |
| 20:16.22 | zenzelezz | I didn't actually think you were trolling at first TC; it sounded like a regular fun question |
| 20:16.34 | Kraps | that applies to most loony toons though :/ |
| 20:16.47 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: thats what a good troll does |
| 20:17.10 | Thunder_Child | trolling has turned into this obvious crap, which is not what it was in the begning |
| 20:17.25 | Thunder_Child | the best trollers are the ones you have never heard of |
| 20:17.34 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: I see what you mean, and I'd have to agree |
| 20:17.46 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 20:17.48 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 20:18.07 | cogwheel | k |
| 20:18.08 | Thunder_Child | Fisker being a perfect example of a new age fail troll |
| 20:18.45 | Kraps | he is funny though |
| 20:19.07 | Kraps | he has great random moments |
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| 20:26.28 | zenzelezz | he is occasionally funny |
| 20:26.35 | zenzelezz | but nowhere near often enough |
| 20:28.48 | Nechckn | C |
| 20:29.31 | Kraps | daffy duck is hilarious though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4K-y_MkgL0&feature=related |
| 20:52.46 | Amarande | btw, do scribes still need to obsessively farm Northrend to get all the glyphs, or do glyph mastery books appear in cata too? |
| 20:53.29 | Dagmar | Not only do they have to farm it, they have to eat cow dung before each play session |
| 20:54.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: eww. |
| 20:54.26 | Dagmar | They could always just buy the things. |
| 20:54.26 | Amarande | Heh, actually I think there is a game where food is made with cow dung |
| 20:54.33 | Dagmar | You know... like every other profession does. |
| 20:54.35 | Amarande | I seem to recall that's used as a material for making cheese in Dragon Quest VIII |
| 21:01.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: I expect there won't be that many to buy, either |
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| 21:01.36 | Amarande | Wowhead is showing that they primarily drop in dungeons and raids |
| 21:02.07 | Amarande | and most people will probably only do each Wrath dungeon once on the way up, if that. |
| 21:02.47 | Fisker | they're world drops |
| 21:03.01 | Fisker | so the offset is more than likely just an effect of what was popular to do at the time they were added |
| 21:03.42 | crazedfred | HEY am I correct in thinking the "Blizzard_xxx" addon folders are auto-generated if I delete them? |
| 21:03.45 | crazedfred | caps |
| 21:04.01 | Fisker | yes |
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| 21:05.51 | crazedfred | cool |
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| 21:24.35 | zenzelezz | a cuick be? |
| 21:24.38 | zenzelezz | *quick |
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| 21:43.40 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 21:43.40 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 21:55.24 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/2fdcf76b-d3ee-488a-b213-4e8e701cdb7b.jpg |
| 21:55.35 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 21:59.01 | Fisker | i tanked a raid :o |
| 21:59.09 | foreplay | o; |
| 21:59.25 | Fisker | D: |
| 22:02.04 | Adys | http://satwcomic.com/nordic-brothers |
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| 22:05.38 | zenzelezz | Adys: :) |
| 22:09.14 | Cairenn | hey guys, question for you - anyone here have any experience with any voice-to-text software, and if so, any recommendations on which is best? (on a Win 7 machine) |
| 22:10.09 | zenzelezz | last time I tried that was 10 years ago... it wasn't so good, but neither were our English |
| 22:15.04 | Adys | Cairenn: Im pretty sure win7 has a vtt software builtin, doesnt it? |
| 22:15.16 | zenzelezz | yes, some |
| 22:15.18 | zenzelezz | http://www.windows7news.com/2009/09/18/how-to-use-speech-recognition-with-windows-7/ |
| 22:15.20 | Cairenn | actually, I think you are correct |
| 22:15.22 | zenzelezz | I couldn't tell if you could narrate |
| 22:15.25 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 22:35.23 | corra | Cheers, all. I'm having a problem with CreateFrame() telling me that the inherited node can't be found.. but it's defined at the root of the Ui element as is my understanding for templates/virtual items.. ?? |
| 22:36.06 | Adys | Proof that nobody wants to test swamp of sorrows: http://www.pastethat.com/Zf9Nf |
| 22:36.23 | zenzelezz | corra: is your lua being run after the XML is loaded? |
| 22:37.11 | Adys | corra: using xml's virtual frames is asking for trouble; strongly recommend you create a template in lua and use that instead |
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| 22:42.53 | Primer | http://aoc.curse.com/forums/t/213797.aspx <-- I'm seeing this error a lot when inspecting people. I do NOT have GS installed |
| 22:43.08 | corra_ | grr web chat barfed ... as I was saying .. @zen, is the xml vs lua order important in the toc? |
| 22:43.23 | Primer | Blizzard_InspectUI\InspectPaperDollFrame.lua:23: Usage: UnitLevel("unit") |
| 22:43.25 | Primer | is the error |
| 22:43.27 | zenzelezz | corra_: yes |
| 22:43.30 | corra_ | @aby, counter intuitive from a re-use perspective IMO |
| 22:43.51 | Primer | and once it happens, I can never inspect anyone's gear again...hovering over their gear yields an empty tooltip |
| 22:43.54 | corra_ | @zen, Bollocks! That may be it then... let me check |
| 22:45.42 | foxlit_ | "using xml's virtual frames is asking for trouble" << whoa. I'd like some cheese with this FUD. |
| 22:46.08 | corra_ | @zen, well they were out of order but it didn't seem to make a difference :-/ |
| 22:46.39 | zenzelezz | corra_: all right, then I'm afraid you'll have to hope someone else has an idea; I've never worked much with templates |
| 22:46.57 | Primer | Nor do I have healbot |
| 22:47.12 | corra_ | @zen, hehe fair enough and I'm just starting |
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| 22:47.50 | foxlit_ | Paste your code somewhere, corra_? |
| 22:48.00 | zenzelezz | Primer: you're only seeing this problem when you've got your own addon loaded? |
| 22:49.36 | Primer | err, yes |
| 22:49.49 | Primer | but my addon doesn't do anything with inspecting people |
| 22:50.02 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
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| 22:53.14 | Primer | hrmm? |
| 22:53.23 | zenzelezz | what does your addon do? |
| 22:53.28 | Primer | Why are you bringing up my addon? |
| 22:53.37 | Primer | FlightHUD, it's on curse |
| 22:53.42 | zenzelezz | because you just said you're not getting the problem when you don't use your addon |
| 22:53.53 | Primer | errr, I don't recall saying that |
| 22:54.02 | zenzelezz | <zenzelezz> Primer: you're only seeing this problem when you've got your own addon loaded? |
| 22:54.02 | zenzelezz | <Primer> err, yes |
| 22:54.35 | Primer | scrolls back |
| 22:55.20 | Primer | ok, let's start over |
| 22:55.26 | Primer | forget I have an addon |
| 22:55.48 | Primer | I'm wondering why you even asked that |
| 22:56.45 | zenzelezz | a combination of the response I posted and the line "I am writing an addon & keep getting this error when inspecting someone." in the link you gave; but I was just digging for possibilities |
| 22:57.01 | zenzelezz | if your addon doesn't do anything like that, then all I can assume is that some other addon is doing something |
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| 23:00.14 | Primer | I'm told it's something using LibTalentQuery |
| 23:00.28 | Primer | I have 2 addons using that, Ensidiafails and a PitBull4 module |
| 23:00.57 | zenzelezz | maybe they really do fail! |
| 23:10.03 | foreplay | if im using io.open() the file im trying to open needs to be in the same directory as the lua file thats excuting that, unless i explicitly state the file dir right? |
| 23:10.47 | zenzelezz | that's usually how it is at least; but you're not trying to do this in a WoW addon? |
| 23:11.10 | foreplay | yeah |
| 23:11.24 | zenzelezz | yeah, you don't have access to file I/O in WoW |
| 23:11.48 | foreplay | is that why it keeps telling me trying to access global 'io' and its nil |
| 23:11.53 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 23:11.53 | foreplay | or something like that |
| 23:11.59 | foreplay | crap lol |
| 23:12.24 | foreplay | theres no way i can write anything to the text file? |
| 23:12.43 | zenzelezz | only through savedvariables when you reload the UI or quit the game |
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| 23:13.04 | foreplay | where could i read about how to do that |
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| 23:14.15 | Xyphoid | http://www.wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 23:14.20 | foreplay | ty |
| 23:14.25 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 23:14.26 | zenzelezz | bah! |
| 23:14.30 | foreplay | lol |
| 23:14.44 | Xyphoid | my link's better |
| 23:14.50 | zenzelezz | :( |
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| 23:18.26 | foreplay | but yeah, what my aim was, was when i type /sort <my info here> it would do what it does now only write the data to a file |
| 23:18.27 | foreplay | lol |
| 23:18.32 | foreplay | thanks for the help guys |
| 23:20.22 | Xyphoid | you can communicate out of the game using the mobile AH to add and remove obscure items and encode your information in the price and expiry date |
| 23:20.24 | Xyphoid | i guess |
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| 23:44.09 | Kraps | wow went all matrix crash and froze up my pc |
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| 23:56.52 | Kraftman | is there an event for raid members targets changing? |
| 23:58.16 | cbreak | yes |
| 23:58.43 | Kraftman | ty |
