| 00:00.19 | airtonix | https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgb7xtgh_17hhh53gf9&hl=en |
| 00:00.39 | Lunessa | G'night folks. |
| 00:00.47 | |Jelly| | night! |
| 00:00.58 | syrae | Lunessa: night! |
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| 00:14.06 | Kraps | brings some latkes into the channel http://imgur.com/axFPj.jpg |
| 00:14.43 | Industrial | mmmmm |
| 00:17.24 | Kraps | fist night of channukah |
| 00:17.31 | Kraps | first* |
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| 00:19.49 | syrae | Kraps: those looook nummy |
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| 00:20.01 | Kraps | they are |
| 00:20.21 | sintAcks | anyone know of a setting, or something for Grid2 for dualspec |
| 00:20.27 | Kraps | and probably have a thousand calories |
| 00:20.37 | syrae | I have had latkes, it's just been a really long time |
| 00:20.42 | Ressy | Wonder if anyone can help me with something. I'm looking at http://apidiff.pastey.net and I'm wondering how to see diffs from before 55 weeks & 5 days ago (ie Recent Posts) |
| 00:21.39 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 00:21.39 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 00:23.18 | Ressy | Was that for me? |
| 00:23.37 | syrae | I think so |
| 00:23.45 | Ressy | If so, doesn't help. |
| 00:26.03 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 00:27.14 | syrae | nicoli_s: what do you work on these days, anyhow? |
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| 00:29.20 | Kraps | huh http://www.manaobscura.com/2010/11/taking-better-screenshots/ |
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| 00:35.34 | ckknight | so I'm prepared for the 7th, where do I get my goblin mount? |
| 00:36.08 | airtonix | i will send you one via fedex |
| 00:36.11 | syrae | ckknight: you can get your goblin mount now. at least I've seen people riding around on them already |
| 00:36.18 | airtonix | after you submit to my will |
| 00:36.21 | ckknight | when I roll my goblin. |
| 00:36.24 | syrae | ah |
| 00:36.27 | ckknight | so I'm asking "where" |
| 00:36.35 | ckknight | I plan on playing for roughly 40 hours straight |
| 00:36.39 | syrae | I only know that it's somewhere in Org |
| 00:36.43 | Yssaril | is mmo-champion.com down ? i just get a blank page |
| 00:36.45 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 00:37.17 | bluspacecow | @yssaril no check nslookup |
| 00:37.34 | bluspacecow | 68.64.47.107 |
| 00:37.38 | bluspacecow | try going to that IP |
| 00:38.41 | Yssaril | bluspacecow: get an errormessage "The backend servers have temporarily reached capacity." with that ip |
| 00:38.53 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 00:38.55 | TMc51 | ckknight: You'll be picking up the mount in the goblin ghetto, right near where the mage trainers used to be in org. |
| 00:38.56 | bluspacecow | odd |
| 00:39.02 | bluspacecow | i can load it fine :( |
| 00:39.18 | bluspacecow | try running it through pdfmyurl.com |
| 00:39.39 | Jerub | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.mmo-champion.com |
| 00:39.41 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 00:39.45 | bluspacecow | is what im looking at |
| 00:40.51 | Yssaril | hmm must be a chrome dev channel problem |
| 00:41.12 | syrae | is there text online somewhere of all the flirts/sillies for each of the race/gender combos? |
| 00:41.18 | syrae | I can't find it on wowpedia |
| 00:41.27 | Yssaril | doesnt render anything but things still seam to be clickable |
| 00:42.20 | TMc51 | syrae: the list is still over at wowwiki. if it's not at wowpedia, it probably hasnt been copied over yet. |
| 00:42.46 | syrae | or I am just looking for it poorly |
| 00:42.54 | syrae | I'm trying to be stealthy since i'm still at work |
| 00:43.05 | airtonix | then you have failed |
| 00:43.10 | airtonix | do not resist |
| 00:43.11 | Yssaril | syrae: http://www.wowpedia.org/Flirt |
| 00:43.15 | TMc51 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Flirt quick google search first result for me |
| 00:43.29 | syrae | Yarp. Thanks :) |
| 00:43.42 | Yssaril | or you can just use the search button on wowpedia and type in flirt :P |
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| 00:43.49 | airtonix | no |
| 00:43.53 | TMc51 | I'd love to use wowpedia instead, but for some weird reason, the site usually refuses to load for me. |
| 00:44.25 | Yssaril | what do you mean by refuses to load? |
| 00:44.32 | Kraps | http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2010/11/aa-waterworld-580.jpg <--- rapture? |
| 00:44.40 | airtonix | he doesn't want to admit he uses netscape 2.0 |
| 00:44.40 | TMc51 | blank pages and crap. |
| 00:44.46 | TMc51 | I blame time warner |
| 00:44.48 | syrae | I've decided to add the silly/flirts to my IRC bot. hahahaha |
| 00:44.58 | Jerub | TMc51: blank pages? |
| 00:45.13 | Jerub | *checks something* |
| 00:45.19 | TMc51 | Not quite 404, more page can not be found and crap |
| 00:45.29 | Yssaril | TMc51: check with #wowpedia |
| 00:45.59 | airtonix | TMc51, try using a different dns server ? |
| 00:46.04 | TMc51 | it works if I use a proxy, which is how I know it's my isp |
| 00:50.04 | Jerub | TMc51: well, i tried a few things, and their server does a bunch of invalid things, but nothing that should cause a major concern. |
| 00:51.05 | TMc51 | Yeah, it's not on their end. WoWPedia is just one of several sites that doesn't like to load for me. I'm fairly certain it has to do wqith how incompetent time warner's service is in thios area. |
| 00:51.26 | Jerub | TMc51: my guess is time-warner is running transparent squid proxies. |
| 00:51.36 | Hjalte | "You have heard of the Exodar? I will show you the Sexodar!" |
| 00:51.46 | syrae | heh |
| 00:53.21 | TMc51 | I used to use OpenDNS, and never had any problems, but then they started blocking the use of any 3rd party DNS. That was around a year ago, and around the time the trouble started happening. It's just BS they pull. Every few months they mention higher speeds, and I notice my speed going down and down. They're so cheap they even refuse to do a linetest, and constantly insist it's my problem and not theirs. |
| 00:53.36 | Arrowmaster | where do you live? |
| 00:53.43 | TMc51 | upstate NY |
| 00:53.50 | Arrowmaster | ive got time warner and dont use their dns |
| 00:54.14 | TMc51 | Where do you live? |
| 00:54.35 | Arrowmaster | ohio |
| 00:56.25 | TMc51 | Around here, time warner hijacks all dns requests and forwards them through their own servers |
| 00:57.23 | Arrowmaster | do they still hijack NXDOMAIN results |
| 00:57.43 | TMc51 | No idea, but I would assume so. |
| 00:57.46 | Ressy | TMc51: everything was copied to wowpedia via the API. |
| 00:57.47 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn_zhdYFABE |
| 00:58.05 | Ressy | Only thing wowpedia's missing is all the vandalism on wowwiki. |
| 00:58.16 | TMc51 | Nice. |
| 00:58.41 | TMc51 | guess it might be worth setting up Firefox to load it through a proxy by default or something. |
| 01:00.09 | Kraps | Ressy: was there a lot of vandalism on wowwiki? |
| 01:00.15 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:00.27 | TMc51 | a lot |
| 01:01.00 | TMc51 | Lots of good editors, though, since every time I went to try undoing some of it, it was already reverted. |
| 01:01.39 | Kraps | well, its only a matter of time before 'pedia gets it :0 |
| 01:01.46 | Ressy | Kraps: Yeah. Someone uploaded a pornographic image of Thrall & Cairne? and it was up for like 8 hrs. |
| 01:01.54 | Ressy | no. Thrall & Garrosh |
| 01:01.55 | A-KO | LOL link pls |
| 01:02.03 | Ressy | Admin took it down. |
| 01:02.07 | TMc51 | rule 34d? |
| 01:02.46 | Kraps | theres some Foe Yay there, yeah |
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| 01:21.52 | alpha13371 | how do you know what lua strings to use with other lua strings? I know some basic lua principles, however I cant seem to make the connection of how they related to each-other and how to use one another as one.. Anyone able to help clerify? currently just looking at frameXML folder.. atm. |
| 01:22.47 | Yssaril | what do you mean by using one string with another? what are you trying to acomplish? |
| 01:23.57 | alpha13371 | well how do you know when to call certain pieces of code. and what code to call. kind of hard for me to explain.. let me give an example |
| 01:24.38 | alpha13371 | this isnt my code or anything just something i found to use as an example |
| 01:24.39 | alpha13371 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143152 |
| 01:24.56 | alpha13371 | line.. 206 |
| 01:25.03 | alpha13371 | to.. 233 |
| 01:25.28 | Arrowmaster | what about it |
| 01:25.30 | alpha13371 | how do you know which one of those to actually call as they do there. |
| 01:25.50 | Dagmar | You're generally expected to know what you put in variables from one moment to the next. |
| 01:26.45 | alpha13371 | hrm but if you dont how do you accomplish learning to expect? back to the drawing board on basic principles? or is there something that can help me with this? just looking at FrameXML atm |
| 01:26.52 | alpha13371 | dont know how* |
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| 01:27.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand the question |
| 01:27.16 | Dagmar | Yep. That one lost me, too. |
| 01:27.33 | alpha13371 | well generally people have to learn what should be "generally expected" |
| 01:27.50 | Dagmar | Generally you read the lua documentation so you know what their function calls do, and basically, what tools you have available to manipulate data |
| 01:27.51 | alpha13371 | but where do they start on that if they know only basic principles of what each string does? |
| 01:28.03 | alpha13371 | and not how they interact as each-other. |
| 01:28.06 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:28.06 | purl | i guess wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:28.12 | ZorbaGama | awesome, 50% of the party damage as tank |
| 01:28.13 | ZorbaGama | sigh |
| 01:28.13 | Xyphoid | do you know any programming? |
| 01:28.13 | Dagmar | Again, what do you mean by "each string"? |
| 01:28.29 | Dagmar | I get the feeling we're misunderstanding what you mean by that |
| 01:28.29 | alpha13371 | local function updateUdDb_3_9_0(db) |
| 01:28.39 | Arrowmaster | i think he means functions |
| 01:28.42 | Dagmar | Okay, so which part of that is confusing you |
| 01:28.47 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm beginning to think that as well |
| 01:28.51 | Dagmar | Not certain yet tho |
| 01:28.53 | Xyphoid | there's a fundamental step where you have some goal you want to achieve, and you break that goal up into small steps that a computer can understand |
| 01:28.55 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 01:28.55 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:29.08 | ZorbaGama | alpha, programming is the process of taking complex concepts and splitting them apart into excruciatingly simple steps |
| 01:29.11 | Arrowmaster | read that |
| 01:29.19 | alpha13371 | the code contained line 206-233 when and how do you know when to call each piece of code on each line as it is here; http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143152 |
| 01:29.21 | Dagmar | if it's the updateUdDB_3_9_0 function that's confusing, it's just a name. |
| 01:29.21 | ZorbaGama | first, get a high-level view of what you want to do. then break it down into one step at a time. |
| 01:29.42 | ZorbaGama | there's usually many, many ways to accomplish what you want. it's up to you as the programmer to figure out how to actually do it. |
| 01:29.46 | alpha13371 | as each line is a different call then the structure you setup with 206 |
| 01:29.49 | Xyphoid | alpha13371: someone had an initial goal, which was presumably 'take a profile and migrate it to a new format' |
| 01:30.02 | alpha13371 | let me read up sorry was typing ;) |
| 01:30.24 | Dagmar | Oh! |
| 01:30.40 | Dagmar | You want to know how someone's supposed to know about all the goodies hiding in db.* |
| 01:31.06 | Dagmar | *Most* of the time, the coder who wrote that is using their own data structure, so they're going to know what each element is |
| 01:31.12 | alpha13371 | lua.org in general is every principle contained therein useable with WoW API? or do you have to modify what you learned through lua.org to be diverse to use the WoW API with what you know from lua.org? |
| 01:31.23 | Dagmar | WHen they're using a data structure they were handed by the game client, _that's_ where the WoW lua API documentation comes in |
| 01:31.28 | TMc51 | Not all, but much of it is. |
| 01:31.57 | Dagmar | alpha13371:It's literally just normal lua with a whole pile of extra functions that exist just because the WoW client brought them in |
| 01:32.09 | ZorbaGama | alpha, lua.org teaches you how to use screws, nails, bolts, and fasteners. the lua api shows you what wood you have available, and the land you have to build on. from there, it's up to you to build a house. |
| 01:32.14 | alpha13371 | which is why I'm not wanting lua.org because I cant actually "see" what is and what isnt so I would be learning useless code that has no meaning pertaining to the WoW API.. |
| 01:32.28 | alpha13371 | even though "much of it is" |
| 01:32.28 | Dagmar | There are some things you _can't_ do under it, tho, mainly like trying to make any direct network calls, that sort of thing |
| 01:32.39 | Dagmar | None of it's useless. |
| 01:32.41 | Xyphoid | the thing is that it's much much easier to learn lua itself outside of the WoW context |
| 01:32.41 | alpha13371 | one second |
| 01:32.42 | ZorbaGama | you'll need both the wood and the tools in order to finish your house. |
| 01:32.51 | Dagmar | Xyphoid++ |
| 01:33.03 | Xyphoid | you can write tiny scripts that do one thing and see what happens |
| 01:34.00 | Dagmar | Assuming that most of these people writing addons aren't complete and utter lunatics, even if you're reading some code that only touches stuff that doesn't come directly from the WoW API you're going to learn new ways to do things |
| 01:34.19 | Dagmar | Specifically, new ways to do things in lua that you may not have thought of before. |
| 01:34.42 | Dagmar | Not the vocabulary of WoW, but the grammar of lua, so to speak |
| 01:34.58 | Dagmar | ...and you're going to need to know a lot of both |
| 01:35.08 | TMc51 | Alpha, a decent way to begin learning is to find some simple addons, and pick them apart. It's how I got started, and I'm fairly sure many others did, as well. |
| 01:35.20 | Dagmar | Especially if you've not spent years previously writing software |
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| 01:35.50 | Xyphoid | i actually tried reading addons and failed until I went and wrote some basic lua separately |
| 01:36.02 | ZorbaGama | tmc, aside from "simple", that's how I learned too. but I had a solid foundation in coding beforehand |
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| 01:36.08 | Xyphoid | because I found it too hard to separate WoW API stuff from the language |
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| 01:38.05 | TMc51 | ZorbaGama: Same. Lua wasn't my first language at all. I've been making web pages with HTML, PHP, and javascript for a few years, and even started out with C++ and C#. |
| 01:38.11 | alpha13371 | ahh I see |
| 01:38.16 | alpha13371 | my first language was machine code |
| 01:38.43 | alpha13371 | (dont ask) lol |
| 01:38.51 | Dagmar | Nah, it's not that suprising |
| 01:39.13 | Dagmar | I spent about nine months coding in BASIC originally, and then had to move to assembly |
| 01:39.21 | Dagmar | This is _useful_ experience you've got, I swear |
| 01:39.24 | alpha13371 | then it was qbasic then html and all those tiny basic half languages that integrates with it so well |
| 01:39.34 | ZorbaGama | I started with basic/qbasic, then moved to c, then c++. |
| 01:39.43 | Dagmar | The machine language, not the BASIC tho |
| 01:39.52 | ZorbaGama | a bit of dabbling in python but it never really gripped me. lua's quite nice though |
| 01:39.58 | Dagmar | The amount of useful lessons one can learn from BASIC can be written on a 3x5 card |
| 01:40.01 | alpha13371 | I love qbasic even to this day ;) was fun i know only basics of pyton.. |
| 01:40.06 | Xyphoid | spectrum basic \m/ |
| 01:40.09 | alpha13371 | I know some assembly/disassembly |
| 01:40.10 | TMc51 | I dabbled in Python for a bit. It's a fun language. Even made a few games. |
| 01:40.20 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: 10 FAST lol |
| 01:40.23 | alpha13371 | had to for many reasons. |
| 01:40.51 | Dagmar | 20 GOTO 10 <-- built-in scuttling support |
| 01:40.57 | alpha13371 | master of none, basic on many ;) thats me hehe. |
| 01:41.21 | Dagmar | alpha13371: I was working on an interactive text game and well, 38k for BASIC doesn't get you a lot of space |
| 01:41.35 | Dagmar | It was assembly code or deal with the input parser being retarded |
| 01:41.37 | Xyphoid | i have been meaning to sit down and go through that learn python the hard way book |
| 01:41.43 | alpha13371 | yeah text games are fun though. my first online based game was a mud ;p |
| 01:42.00 | Xyphoid | haha i actually learned lua writing mud botting scripts |
| 01:42.10 | bluspacecow | @dagmar I thought all addon authors were complete lunatics |
| 01:42.12 | Xyphoid | a year or so ago |
| 01:42.13 | bluspacecow | *ducks* |
| 01:42.15 | Dagmar | I learned event-driven code from IRC> ;) |
| 01:42.26 | alpha13371 | whaat really? nice i some some cartography stuff on map making ;o |
| 01:42.42 | Dagmar | Trial by fire. |
| 01:42.54 | Dagmar | if my stuff didn't work, I lost a channel |
| 01:42.55 | bluspacecow | i mean to code , update and maintain an addon for free plus deal with addon users ? |
| 01:42.59 | bluspacecow | lunacy. |
| 01:43.05 | Dagmar | Oh screw listening to users |
| 01:43.05 | TMc51 | Alpha, one recommendation I have. When I mentioned going through a simple addon, for me, that addon happened to be the same addon I'm charged with keeping updated. It tought me how to make a frame, and set a script to that frame. |
| 01:43.07 | Dagmar | They'll kill you |
| 01:43.17 | Dagmar | They never sleep, and they always expect you to work |
| 01:43.28 | alpha13371 | i learned enough irc at the time which i am so rusty on now.. made 300mb of code over the course of a year into one client lol.. had to delete it because I hated seeing it on my drive. |
| 01:43.28 | Dagmar | Write because _you_ like your code |
| 01:44.07 | alpha13371 | thing is now though.. I almost see no true basic addons.. usually its complex which is considered basic to the average coder. |
| 01:44.18 | alpha13371 | hehe ;p |
| 01:44.20 | Dagmar | If you're writing code you don't like, and not being paid to do so, there's a word for that: "masochist" |
| 01:44.43 | alpha13371 | bleh |
| 01:44.48 | Xyphoid | the thing is most wellknown addons are large, because they get used and maintained and updated a lot |
| 01:44.50 | TMc51 | Dagmar: I agree completely with that. Forcing yourself to program something for others when you dislike it is just awful. Addons shouldnt be a job, but a fun hobby. |
| 01:45.19 | Dagmar | alpha13371: You might find wowace's repository useful then |
| 01:45.35 | alpha13371 | nah I'm wanting to make a unique interface bar.. but want to first learn to completely call a bar to the window ;) |
| 01:45.37 | Dagmar | alpha13371: There's no rule that says you have to look at the most up-to-date full-fledged versions of an addon |
| 01:45.55 | ZorbaGama | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/champions-purse.aspx an example of a small addon :D (I don't think it works anymore, sadly) |
| 01:46.06 | alpha13371 | with button graphis and everything.. allowed to be locked in a hotbar slot. |
| 01:46.10 | alpha13371 | graphics* |
| 01:46.16 | Dagmar | Yeah, just get a bar on the screen first. |
| 01:46.28 | Dagmar | ...then add each little other thing you want it to do. |
| 01:46.38 | alpha13371 | I noticed some of the 3.3.5 addons still work without error all you need is a version number chance ;o |
| 01:46.39 | TMc51 | Alpha, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16011-1.2.html that';s the one I was talking about. Download the archived 1.0 file, and go through that. Even a non-programmer should be able to understand most if not all of it. |
| 01:46.47 | Dagmar | The key is breaking the complex problem down into tiny, bite-sized pieces you can deal with |
| 01:46.52 | alpha13371 | change* even though they are using removed api code.. |
| 01:47.04 | alpha13371 | weird how bugsack and the like doesnt detect it.. |
| 01:47.12 | Dagmar | It's not bugsack's problem |
| 01:47.43 | alpha13371 | yeah but I use bugsack as a error grabber ;o |
| 01:47.58 | Dagmar | ...until it tries to call those long-gone functions and the whole thing starts coughing up hairballs of nil. |
| 01:48.57 | alpha13371 | yeah i went out to test the hud updates and everything.. no errors popped out.. not even using the default lua error popup feature that is in your interface/help options.. |
| 01:49.25 | alpha13371 | but its still calling events whe nthe event was listed on wowwiki as removed o.O |
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| 01:50.20 | alpha13371 | event, arg1 wasnt poping any bugs ;o how is that even possible when its removed but still trying to be called? |
| 01:50.24 | Dagmar | You mean hooking events that no longer exist? |
| 01:50.28 | alpha13371 | yeah |
| 01:50.34 | Dagmar | It doesn't make any real value judgements about those |
| 01:50.39 | alpha13371 | oh ok |
| 01:50.49 | Dagmar | If they don't exist, it's just code that's never going to be called. |
| 01:50.58 | alpha13371 | ah I see |
| 01:51.46 | alpha13371 | ok Zorba, TMc51 thanks for small addon post. :) should help me some :D |
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| 01:52.30 | Dagmar | If it required they all be defined someplace, things would get ugly |
| 01:53.18 | TMc51 | No problem. |
| 01:53.40 | Dagmar | ...so it just stuffs the event's name into the pile with all the others, assuming that at some point later you'll be umm.. (there's a word for this, I dunno...) triggering an event by that name later |
| 01:53.40 | bluspacecow | "I noticed some of the 3.3.5 addons still work without error all you need is a version number chance" <--- alpha13371 all that number means to the client is "the author has updated their addon with the changes in build x in mind" |
| 01:53.49 | bluspacecow | doesn't mean they won't work :) |
| 01:54.53 | alpha13371 | true true, but still :D |
| 01:55.03 | TMc51 | Pretty much what Blue just said. I use a few addons that haven't been updated in 2-4 years, and they work no different than they did back then. |
| 01:55.19 | alpha13371 | weird how this "graphical" ui design I have reminds me so much of zelda o.o |
| 01:55.26 | bluspacecow | its dependent on the API calls / functions / variables it uses |
| 01:55.33 | bluspacecow | if that hasn't changed it should work |
| 01:55.34 | bluspacecow | eg |
| 01:55.54 | bluspacecow | i use an addon that hooks the tooltip onto the mouse by hooking the mouse function i think |
| 01:55.56 | bluspacecow | or the other way |
| 01:55.58 | bluspacecow | anyway |
| 01:56.05 | bluspacecow | i have not updated in 4 years ... still works |
| 01:56.06 | alpha13371 | indeed but when some pieces are removed.. and it works without fail.. weird is how it strikes me |
| 01:56.38 | alpha13371 | would you like to knwo which one im talking about? |
| 01:56.44 | alpha13371 | know* |
| 01:57.13 | Kraps | Comilito equinus orbitas lacuna. G'odhun al korokh boda uhm. Boda uhm ron'kashal detrmentum a do soladiatas. |
| 01:57.25 | bluspacecow | not sure if we can help with it but go ahead |
| 01:57.50 | Kraps | latin mixed with elvish? |
| 01:57.58 | alpha13371 | nah was just stating the one that works when some code pieces are being called which no longer exists in the API according to wowwiki unless someone updated with incorrect info... rRingMod3 |
| 01:58.07 | bluspacecow | aside : Omen 3 any reports of lag and latency with it enabled ? have a user in the MTSF who said they disabled it and their fps/latency sprung back |
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| 02:01.13 | alpha13371 | idk I'll have to add the addon again. cleaned my list few days ago.. too many folders from complete ui adding.. ... they only using omen 3? |
| 02:02.36 | bluspacecow | imma getting ready to go into town to get a haircut |
| 02:02.50 | bluspacecow | otherwise i would so get on my druid to tank something |
| 02:02.52 | bluspacecow | or fail to :) |
| 02:03.21 | alpha13371 | wish I knew what settings he is using on the addon. |
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| 02:04.04 | bluspacecow | i suspect |
| 02:04.07 | bluspacecow | hes hidden lua errors |
| 02:04.12 | bluspacecow | and is using a really old build |
| 02:04.17 | bluspacecow | like before 3.0.4 |
| 02:04.55 | bluspacecow | old sv file maybe ? |
| 02:05.13 | bluspacecow | not sure waiting on confirmation on what version he has installed |
| 02:07.07 | alpha13371 | that or he is using two addons like omen3 and not knowing it |
| 02:07.24 | alpha13371 | one omen3 and have something else up.. like recount or something |
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| 02:12.48 | Thrae | How are healers doing in PvP? I hear it's fun to throw Wraths and instant-cast Starfires around as a Restoration Druid. |
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| 02:13.05 | Thrae | No-cast Wraths even |
| 02:14.48 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1290888665.jpg |
| 02:15.13 | airtonix | alpha13371, you will find yourself in an unfortunate scenario in approximately 49 minutes and 32 seconds |
| 02:16.09 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1290550860.jpg |
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| 02:20.37 | alpha13371 | ?? |
| 02:23.01 | Kraps | alpha13371: report airtonix for threats |
| 02:23.24 | alpha13371 | and you do that how ;o |
| 02:23.28 | Kraps | and hating |
| 02:23.49 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.53 | Kraps | no, just report him for hating |
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| 02:32.56 | Thunder_Child | i'm so lazy i would rather use my computer w/o a mouse than restart |
| 02:33.09 | alpha13371 | hehe |
| 02:33.15 | alpha13371 | laptop? |
| 02:33.20 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 02:33.26 | alpha13371 | then reconnect your mouse ;o |
| 02:34.04 | Thunder_Child | it's not working |
| 02:34.42 | alpha13371 | sounds like your driver is failing.. if your using usb then try a different port ;o or your usb is chip on the mouse is worn out |
| 02:34.57 | alpha13371 | is = on |
| 02:35.37 | KarlKFI | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehCnIwsX7hg |
| 02:35.48 | KarlKFI | let me get hose wrinkles out of your face! |
| 02:36.08 | alpha13371 | rofl |
| 02:36.15 | KarlKFI | (might have to watch from #1 for it to actually make sense) |
| 02:36.36 | alpha13371 | ever notice how addons are starting to be more and more memory hogs then what they really should be ;o |
| 02:37.11 | KarlKFI | doesn't that describe the natural progression of programs? |
| 02:37.12 | alpha13371 | got a minimap addon which uses 1kb.. |
| 02:38.25 | alpha13371 | not really it usually means they are leaving left over code or they are using rough coding skills even though they dont want to take the time to clean it out and find better ways to do things and afk a sec |
| 02:38.35 | airtonix | dot dot dot |
| 02:38.50 | Mirrormn | I don't think that's what it means necessarily |
| 02:38.56 | Yssaril | alpha13371: they tend to do more stuff too though |
| 02:39.27 | Yssaril | also with most addons its the config that takes up the most space |
| 02:39.31 | Mirrormn | not only that, but more memory use can often mean less CPU use, when using caching |
| 02:39.38 | alpha13371 | back |
| 02:39.40 | Yssaril | yep |
| 02:39.41 | airtonix | too late |
| 02:39.54 | nebula169 | memory usage is largely irrelevant |
| 02:40.01 | airtonix | shhh |
| 02:40.38 | Mirrormn | memory usage statistics are worse than gearscore :P |
| 02:40.58 | alpha13371 | true but what about people who want to use addons but it seems they are stuck finding low memory use addons.. they can play max detail fine but when using addons they have to use low settings because of lack of memory when their system is maxed on memory.. yet thats all t hey can afford -- my system is fine but I know there are people who have problems like this and I feel for them. |
| 02:41.10 | airtonix | blah blah blah |
| 02:41.19 | nebula169 | false |
| 02:41.49 | airtonix | someone should really make a wiki page about wow addons and memory |
| 02:42.00 | Mirrormn | I was always under the impression that if you have 1gb of memory, you'll generally never have enough for wow, and if you have 2gb of memory, you'll generally always have enough for wow if you're not running anything else |
| 02:42.02 | alpha13371 | why dont you do it since you think someone should ;p |
| 02:42.05 | airtonix | Shirik, go forth and populate |
| 02:42.13 | Mirrormn | and if you have something like 1.5gb of memory, you're really weird |
| 02:42.40 | alpha13371 | wow is implementing further into dx10/11 very very slowly ;o |
| 02:43.02 | alpha13371 | systems that has 4gb of standard ddr is like 1gb or so of ddr2. if using same latency. |
| 02:43.11 | Xyphoid | i've never ever heard of a case of someone who can play on max details but can't use addons |
| 02:43.17 | bluspacecow | *gives viagra to shirik* |
| 02:43.37 | alpha13371 | laptop users |
| 02:43.44 | bluspacecow | ~trout Fisker |
| 02:43.44 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout! |
| 02:43.54 | alpha13371 | ran in to a ton of them with this problem in the military. |
| 02:43.56 | bluspacecow | kk now thats out of the way later |
| 02:45.06 | airtonix | ohhhhohohh |
| 02:45.43 | KarlKFI | It seems your hadouken is more like a hadou-cant! |
| 02:45.43 | alpha13371 | anyways thanks for the info earlier.. I'm out. later ;) |
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| 02:45.54 | airtonix | BYE |
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| 03:02.39 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i feel cheated, i was waiting for my discount |
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| 03:07.40 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yeah same |
| 03:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll give anyone here $1 if they can get to the center of this zip file |
| 03:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://swtch.com/r.zip |
| 03:08.20 | kd3 | without clicking the link, the zip's been modified to be self-recursive |
| 03:08.29 | kd3 | hazards a guess |
| 03:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 03:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | spoil sport |
| 03:08.50 | airtonix | i lol'd |
| 03:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | also, just in case anyone is about to try |
| 03:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | don't sent it over email across a microsoft antigen A/V server |
| 03:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll just peg the CPU for 30 minutes and then deny the file |
| 03:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (whoops) |
| 03:10.36 | Adys | sends it over email across a microsoft antigen A/V server |
| 03:10.48 | airtonix | lol |
| 03:10.57 | kd3 | had some experience with that, have you? |
| 03:10.59 | airtonix | nice |
| 03:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, just now |
| 03:11.09 | Adys | http://humoncomics.com/i-want-oil |
| 03:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Tried to send it to myself at work... it didn't work |
| 03:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | and we move 1TB of mail a day, so |
| 03:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | >< |
| 03:11.38 | Adys | less porning more working ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:16.01 | Yssaril | aww gmail wont even let me send that file ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:16.11 | ScytheBlade1 | what does it say? |
| 03:16.31 | Yssaril | r.zip contains an executable file. For security reasons, Gmail does not allow you to send this type of file. |
| 03:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:16.39 | ScytheBlade1 | it does not |
| 03:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | it contains a version of itself |
| 03:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing more, nothing less |
| 03:16.51 | Yssaril | default error message i guess |
| 03:19.01 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
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| 03:37.11 | DJJeff | "How to Tell if Your Guild is Bad (World of Warcraft)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMxW36WbW6M |
| 03:38.14 | DJJeff | get out of the fire why are you still in the fire your dead |
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| 03:59.54 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/12/01/seriously.jpg |
| 04:00.06 | Adys | proof the taxi mechanics in wow need to be re-thought. |
| 04:01.19 | kd3 | oops? |
| 04:03.08 | Kraps | you would think with all the new FPs that wouldnt hapen |
| 04:03.08 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 04:03.21 | Adys | Kraps: the more FPs there are, the more *likely* it is to happen |
| 04:03.31 | Adys | because paths rely on hops |
| 04:03.40 | KarlKFI | that's actually just a punishment for you not exploring |
| 04:03.41 | Adys | and if you're missing a hop, it's going to try the next one with the least amount of hops |
| 04:04.08 | Adys | and the worst thing is |
| 04:04.10 | Adys | to the game |
| 04:04.15 | Xyphoid | loch modan -> the quarry in dun morogh is funny, since you pass about a foot from your final location, then fly to the far end of the zone and back |
| 04:04.35 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/#!/SuperMeatBoy/status/10140239737659392 |
| 04:04.38 | Adys | 30 sec fp + 30 sec fp + 30 sec fp is worse than 3 min fp + 3 min fp |
| 04:05.00 | Adys | because it counts it in hops, not ticks |
| 04:05.04 | Adys | Kraps: ouch. |
| 04:05.37 | Xyphoid | i guess the issue is they didn't *remove* the longhaul points when adding new ones |
| 04:05.59 | Dagmar | I've seen a few like that |
| 04:06.08 | Dagmar | Try flying from Booty Bay |
| 04:06.57 | Dagmar | Takes you to the refugee camp way on the north wide of the zone and then back south again to the other flight point withing Booty Bay |
| 04:07.05 | Dagmar | s/wide/side/ |
| 04:07.26 | Arrowmaster | do you need write permission on a directory in linux to delete files owned by you and writable by you inside the directory? |
| 04:07.51 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 04:08.03 | Dagmar | If you're changing what's in the directory you need write access |
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| 04:16.26 | airtonix | since removing a file from a directory modifies the directory. |
| 04:17.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah im playing with pbuilder/cowbuilder and the files it creates in its result directory are owned by me but i dont have write permission on the directory so i cant delete them without sudo |
| 04:18.07 | airtonix | can't add yourself to the usergroup, then allow write by group on files and folders ? |
| 04:18.24 | Arrowmaster | there is no usergroup for it |
| 04:18.44 | airtonix | no for the user group of the user that owns the directory |
| 04:18.56 | Arrowmaster | that would be root |
| 04:19.42 | airtonix | is this some kind of package builder that operates in a sanitised environment ? |
| 04:19.47 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:22.41 | Dagmar | Messy |
| 04:23.08 | airtonix | i generally use a towel after lubing up |
| 04:25.59 | Arrowmaster | you want to see messy? http://arrowmaster.net/mplayer_1.0~svn32669_amd64.build |
| 04:28.24 | Dagmar | WTB verbose levels other than silence and OMGSPAM |
| 04:28.52 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 04:30.39 | Dagmar | Damn 4.4.x is bitchy |
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| 04:37.45 | airtonix | :( |
| 04:44.14 | Jamash | arrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:44.45 | airtonix | deeeeeeeee |
| 04:44.48 | Adys | Thats a new one |
| 04:45.03 | Adys | this quest increases both booty bay and bloodsail buccaneers rep |
| 04:45.23 | Adys | doesnt complain |
| 04:46.13 | Dagmar | More drug running to goblins? |
| 04:46.51 | Adys | OCD is hard |
| 04:46.57 | airtonix | i'm hard |
| 04:46.59 | Adys | between 2 quests i kill like 10 bruisers |
| 04:47.57 | Adys | and man the fuckers hit high |
| 04:47.59 | Adys | 13k :( |
| 04:51.23 | Adys | Oh how I miss the days when Booty Bay Bruisers had less HP than they currently hit for. |
| 04:51.37 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 04:55.55 | Dagmar | What the hell is the source for WoWhead's skinning data? Bots? |
| 04:56.30 | Dagmar | Scarlet Tracking Hound (in Scarlet Monastery) showing as the #2 source? Freaky |
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| 04:58.12 | Dagmar | I have a problem believing people spend more time skinning in instances than they do in the outdoors |
| 04:59.27 | bluspacecow | they should L2Grind Skinning |
| 04:59.47 | Dagmar | Seriously tho |
| 04:59.59 | airtonix | i find this to be acceptable |
| 05:00.04 | Dagmar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=4234/heavy-leather#skinned-from:0-8-9+1 |
| 05:00.21 | airtonix | maybe you need pscyorogicimal help |
| 05:00.32 | Dagmar | The first _many_ results are inside instances where a bot woudln't be noticed much |
| 05:01.13 | Dagmar | There's _plenty_ of ourdoors places people can skin more mobs and with less hassle |
| 05:03.25 | Dagmar | 51,413 medium leather showing from _Snapjaw_ |
| 05:03.42 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 05:03.42 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 05:04.36 | Jerub | Dagmar: maybe those figures are inflated because party members can collect data on each other |
| 05:04.51 | Jerub | so a party of 5 people running the wowhead client will see the skinning and count it 5 times. |
| 05:05.23 | Dagmar | Still, that's way, way overrepresented |
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| 05:09.54 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQW8FT02DM&NR=1 |
| 05:10.15 | airtonix | where do i get one of those glass cups ? |
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| 05:14.03 | mikma | dagmar: _really_? |
| 05:16.27 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:16.28 | Shirik | batrick |
| 05:16.40 | Shirik | Intel is going to add in floating-point multiply accumulate instructions |
| 05:16.43 | Shirik | for DSP work |
| 05:17.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 05:17.49 | Thunder_Child | go play a game |
| 05:17.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:18.48 | Thunder_Child | oh, was that a bad thing? |
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| 05:24.21 | NeoTron | wow this seems like a badly planned API - DataStore_Reputations can return a list of all reps, with a numeric key (internal index basically). It can also get details about a player's rep using the character and faction name |
| 05:24.36 | NeoTron | however it has no way to get the name from the Id which means you need to scan all the factions anyway |
| 05:31.28 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/11/2010-12-2.jpg |
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| 06:01.06 | Dagmar | Whoopse. |
| 06:01.17 | Dagmar | Needlespine Cobras are dropping scorpid trash |
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| 06:02.51 | airtonix | foodchain |
| 06:03.11 | nebula169 | NeoTron: why would only want one faction when you can have them all!! |
| 06:04.28 | NeoTron | nebula169: I want them all |
| 06:04.39 | NeoTron | nebula169: that's the problem, there's no way to get them all |
| 06:04.47 | NeoTron | in fact unless you know the faction name, you can't get them at all :P |
| 06:05.26 | nebula169 | "DataStore_Reputations can return a list of all reps" |
| 06:05.52 | nebula169 | lol, its prolly just built for his use on altoholic |
| 06:09.29 | NeoTron | it returns a list with [id] = rep |
| 06:09.41 | NeoTron | where id can't be converted to anything useful without copying the hard coded list |
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| 06:11.19 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, I assumed your comment was to mean "stop reviewing hardware in your free time" |
| 06:11.51 | Kraps | just finished alpha protocol |
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| 06:12.51 | Kraps | long-ass game with way too many branching possibilities |
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| 06:26.17 | airtonix | comment about your face+ |
| 06:26.19 | airtonix | ? |
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| 07:03.09 | bluspacecow | guys any clue what this error message means : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127000965 |
| 07:05.43 | ckknight | bluspacecow: a pointer is being freed where the address is not on a 4th-byte (or 8th-byte if 64-bit) |
| 07:06.06 | bluspacecow | bug in the client ? i'm having trouble reproducing the error |
| 07:06.40 | ckknight | yes, clearly |
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| 07:07.16 | bluspacecow | kk im email it to s41dk then |
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| 07:10.00 | Sixen | Oh hey, the Blizz avatars ported over. Nice |
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| 07:21.21 | bluspacecow | yarrr |
| 07:22.00 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~ |
| 07:22.00 | purl | I'm ignoring you now. |
| 07:22.03 | Shirik | :( |
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| 07:22.12 | Shirik | zenzio, purl is being mean to me |
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| 07:27.30 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:27.33 | zenzio | Shirik: stop hitting on her then |
| 07:29.42 | Adys | Can someone download this and screenshot me the default empty window? http://zezula.net/download/mpqediten32_beta.zip |
| 07:29.48 | Adys | Im interested by the menus specifically |
| 07:30.55 | zenzio | ""Sarah Palin, who is widely tipped as a possible Republican candidate for president in 2012, has said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be hunted down in the way armed forces are targeting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda." So that means we should spend billions of dollars and not catch him? Good plan." |
| 07:31.06 | zenzio | Adys: do you need to have any MPQs to run it? |
| 07:31.13 | Adys | no zenzio |
| 07:31.15 | Adys | just windows |
| 07:33.53 | Fisker | i think i'm sick :( |
| 07:33.54 | unfo- | zenzio, nice quote ;) |
| 07:34.11 | Shirik | nice zenzio :P |
| 07:34.32 | zenzio | Adys: http://zenzelezz.net/images/random/mpqedit.png |
| 07:34.49 | Adys | huh |
| 07:35.09 | Adys | zenzio: anything special happens when you click the menus? |
| 07:35.16 | Adys | as in, anything not "menu-like" |
| 07:36.07 | zenzio | Adys: no, they've just like any normal menu, except seemingly within a Windows "rebar" control |
| 07:36.24 | Adys | k thats not normal.. grm |
| 07:36.29 | Adys | thanks |
| 07:42.24 | bleeter | noice, shop's just emailed me my cata tracking # |
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| 07:43.30 | Yssaril | bleeter: where from? |
| 07:43.42 | bleeter | Yssaril: EB Games Australia |
| 07:43.51 | Yssaril | k |
| 07:47.55 | airtonix | vile people |
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| 08:05.04 | Mirrormn | can someone with a druid/dk/paladin/warrior on a non-US locale client do me a fvor? |
| 08:05.07 | Mirrormn | *favor |
| 08:05.38 | airtonix | the truth? |
| 08:05.53 | Mirrormn | I'd like to know if GetShapeshiftFormInfo() returns locale-dependent form names |
| 08:08.53 | Mirrormn | also, unrelatedly, someone needs to create a Chrome extension that changes all wowwiki.com links to wowpedia.org links |
| 08:09.23 | nebula169 | lol i was thinking about that this morning |
| 08:10.45 | Mirrormn | also, nevermind the first request |
| 08:10.53 | Mirrormn | I have discovered GetShapeshiftFormID() |
| 08:13.33 | airtonix | ok |
| 08:13.37 | airtonix | already done |
| 08:13.42 | airtonix | next request ? |
| 08:14.47 | bluspacecow | dance ? |
| 08:15.54 | Mirrormn | grr |
| 08:16.26 | Mirrormn | GetShapeshiftFormID() does not return for all the same situations as GetShapeshiftForm() |
| 08:16.30 | Mirrormn | whose stupid idea was that |
| 08:19.55 | nebula169 | what do you mean? blizzard iterates GetShapeshiftForm to build the stance bar, GetShapeshiftFormID is used to get the current stance and has a few constants to compare, CAT_FORM BEAR_FORM MOONKIN_FORM |
| 08:20.14 | Mirrormn | GetShapeshiftForm() returns for paladin auras |
| 08:20.20 | Mirrormn | GetShapeshiftFormID() does not |
| 08:20.24 | Mirrormn | (returns nil) |
| 08:20.48 | nebula169 | right, they only use ID for druids |
| 08:20.48 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure they both return |
| 08:20.58 | Mirrormn | well I just tested it |
| 08:21.01 | Mirrormn | on my paladin |
| 08:21.11 | Mirrormn | which is why I'm annoyed |
| 08:21.40 | nebula169 | GetNumShapeshiftForms() => 5 |
| 08:21.43 | nebula169 | on my paladin |
| 08:21.46 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 08:21.58 | Mirrormn | so put on an aura and do GetShapeshiftFormID() |
| 08:21.58 | nebula169 | oh, i see what you mean |
| 08:22.45 | nebula169 | they use the third return of GetShapeshiftFormInfo |
| 08:22.45 | Shirik | The problem here is Mirrormn doesn't see what I mean |
| 08:22.54 | nebula169 | for the active one |
| 08:23.12 | Shirik | There is a major difference between returning and returning a value |
| 08:23.18 | Shirik | Understand it |
| 08:23.38 | nebula169 | he clarified the line after |
| 08:23.39 | Mirrormn | well I qualified my statement of "does not" with "(returns nil)" |
| 08:23.40 | nebula169 | silly |
| 08:23.53 | Mirrormn | so you're being ridiculously pedantic with no basis to be so :P |
| 08:23.55 | Shirik | that's not a clarification that's a completely different direction |
| 08:24.08 | Shirik | That's like saying "2 + 2 = 5. (4)" |
| 08:24.09 | nebula169 | corrected himself, then |
| 08:24.19 | Shirik | perhaps, but I didn't see that |
| 08:24.21 | Shirik | therefore I win |
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| 08:24.54 | Mirrormn | Shirik makes a good point (no he doesn't) |
| 08:25.23 | bluspacecow | anyone on with a Macbook pro then can run a temp monitor app (from http://www.bresink.com/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html ) and tell me what they are getting from their CPU cores ? |
| 08:25.48 | airtonix | 42 |
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| 08:26.42 | Mirrormn | but I have a suitable solution |
| 08:27.16 | Mirrormn | I will just stop assuming beforehand that I know how many shapeshift forms any given character will have, or what they are named, and just build the list on login |
| 08:28.25 | unfo- | bluspacecow, 54-63C |
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| 08:28.33 | unfo- | bluspacecow, 52,56,58,63 |
| 08:28.33 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 08:28.47 | bluspacecow | so 84 / 85 across 4 cpu cores would be bad ? |
| 08:29.38 | unfo- | well depends. i started workign 30 mins ago and haven't been doing that much cpu heavy stuff |
| 08:29.41 | Mirrormn | celsius? that's like melting |
| 08:29.43 | unfo- | cpu util at 10% |
| 08:30.00 | bluspacecow | ! |
| 08:30.06 | bluspacecow | do sum more heavy lifting then |
| 08:30.10 | bluspacecow | 3 wows open |
| 08:30.14 | unfo- | lol |
| 08:30.16 | bluspacecow | 20 photoshop projects |
| 08:30.17 | Mirrormn | if your coputer is that hot I'm surprised you haven't burnt yourself/had your computer force shutdown... |
| 08:30.22 | unfo- | i don't have wow installed on work puter :) |
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| 08:30.53 | Shirik | 85C isn't that hot |
| 08:31.07 | Mirrormn | it's 185 F |
| 08:31.09 | Shirik | It's up there, it's not way up there |
| 08:31.11 | Shirik | So what |
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| 08:31.18 | airtonix | force shutdown is 100c |
| 08:31.31 | Shirik | Arguing that there is any standard forced shutdown temperature is stupid |
| 08:31.36 | unfo- | bluspacecow, if i do something the least bit cpu heavy (running unit tests and compiling shit) it goes to 68C on all four meters |
| 08:31.40 | airtonix | nou |
| 08:31.46 | Shirik | My work computer hits 85C on a daily basis |
| 08:31.51 | Mirrormn | well |
| 08:31.53 | airtonix | your face too |
| 08:31.57 | Mirrormn | i grieve for you :( |
| 08:32.03 | Shirik | I don't |
| 08:32.06 | Mirrormn | my computer never goes above like 45C |
| 08:32.10 | unfo- | bluspacecow, so i would guess if i ran wow etc it would go to 75-80 |
| 08:32.13 | Shirik | Yeah and how much did you do on it? |
| 08:32.22 | Mirrormn | not much ^_^ |
| 08:32.28 | Shirik | Exactly |
| 08:32.45 | Shirik | Now as I was saying, last I checked internal electronics don't have to be cool to the touch for them to function |
| 08:32.57 | Shirik | they do have to be within their AMRs but that could be 300F if that's what they were designed for |
| 08:33.28 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 08:33.43 | Shirik | Um |
| 08:33.47 | Shirik | what? |
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| 08:34.34 | Mirrormn | 85C is well beyond "not cool to the touch", though |
| 08:34.46 | Shirik | You are totally missing the point |
| 08:34.48 | airtonix | lol umad? |
| 08:34.53 | Shirik | ok you know what |
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| 08:34.57 | Kalroth | uh oh |
| 08:35.00 | Shirik | @airtonix, I'm trying to debate whether or not you're trying to make yourself look like an idiot or if it's just happening naturally |
| 08:35.00 | Kalroth | hides. |
| 08:35.31 | Shirik | Mirrormn: Point is computers really don't care what a human thinks is "cool" |
| 08:35.35 | Mirrormn | I'm certainly willing to concede that your cpu would not be destroyed running at that temperature |
| 08:35.37 | Kalroth | clears his throat and goes: |
| 08:35.40 | Kalroth | yahemad |
| 08:35.56 | Mirrormn | but, having a laptop running at that temperature could be very dangerous to have in your lap |
| 08:36.19 | bluspacecow | in other news it is now exactly 12.36 am PST |
| 08:36.25 | unfo- | laptop on your lap running at any temperature will fry your testicles in 15 mins |
| 08:36.26 | Shirik | Assuming the casing was not made to be able to disperse that kind of temperature, sure |
| 08:36.31 | Kalroth | Mirrormn: You're sitting with a laptop in your lap, it doesnt matter if your nuts are boiled! |
| 08:36.35 | Mirrormn | it's easily beyond the temperature where you could get burned |
| 08:36.49 | bluspacecow | so next tuesday ? @ about this time? buy cata times |
| 08:37.09 | unfo- | if the cpu core is at 85C it does not mean that the casing is at anywhere near that temperature |
| 08:37.35 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:37.36 | Fisker | help me |
| 08:37.41 | Shirik | Diverging paths and both of you are correct |
| 08:37.42 | unfo- | "my computer is at 85C" does not mean it is radiating heat at 85C around it, it means one small internal part (cpu core) is at 85C and for that there is cooling |
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| 08:37.57 | Shirik | Fisker, I told Nechckn to log on for you |
| 08:37.57 | Shirik | have fun |
| 08:38.20 | Mirrormn | obviously the outer skin is not going to be 85C |
| 08:38.21 | Fisker | :o? |
| 08:38.24 | bluspacecow | ok then unfo & shirik |
| 08:38.27 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127158850#10 |
| 08:38.29 | bluspacecow | is the temps |
| 08:38.31 | unfo- | why am i debating stuff on irc instead of writing more tests.. |
| 08:38.33 | unfo- | bugger me! |
| 08:38.35 | bluspacecow | BRB need foods |
| 08:38.48 | Shirik | because WoW addon developers don't write tests |
| 08:38.59 | bluspacecow | thats what users are for |
| 08:39.02 | bluspacecow | ha ! ha ! |
| 08:39.15 | unfo- | goes back to writing unit test |
| 08:39.16 | bluspacecow | oh and unfo do you mean that literally ? i should bugger you ? |
| 08:39.22 | unfo- | lol. no |
| 08:39.23 | Vandesdelca32 | I need to write addons... |
| 08:39.30 | bluspacecow | *wanders off in search of food* |
| 08:39.37 | unfo- | yays. all green. |
| 08:39.48 | Shirik | really bluspacecow, my laptop hits those numbers on a daily basis |
| 08:39.57 | Shirik | Now to be fair that's running aircraft simulations |
| 08:40.01 | Shirik | but 3x wow is probably comparable |
| 08:40.15 | bluspacecow | 3x ? |
| 08:40.21 | Shirik | I thought you said you were running 3 wows |
| 08:40.39 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 08:40.49 | Shirik | :bluspacecow!~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+3 wows open |
| 08:40.49 | Dagmar | 1000 Needles is a hoot now. |
| 08:40.50 | Shirik | disagrees |
| 08:40.51 | airtonix | just say you are |
| 08:41.02 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 08:41.09 | bluspacecow | i think i set that 2 months ago |
| 08:41.11 | bluspacecow | -_ |
| 08:41.13 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 08:41.20 | Shirik | um |
| 08:41.56 | Shirik | anyway |
| 08:41.58 | bluspacecow | but im not the one with the macbook pro at high temps ... Holyzertin on the thread I posted is. AFAIK hes not running 3 wows |
| 08:42.45 | Shirik | Until the computer starts complaining about it I wouldn't worry about it more than some compressed air |
| 08:42.46 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 08:42.57 | bluspacecow | i know where you were confused |
| 08:43.24 | bluspacecow | unfo's like "well here's my temps" ... "but i'm not doing anything intense on my computer" |
| 08:43.44 | bluspacecow | so I was like "do some heavy lifiting then. run 3 wows. 20 photoshop sessoins" |
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| 08:44.17 | unfo- | lemme test folding@home for shits n giggles |
| 08:44.31 | bluspacecow | can a shit giggle ? |
| 08:44.48 | airtonix | i dont know |
| 08:44.51 | airtonix | can he ? |
| 08:46.01 | Adys | Shirik: even wow developers don't write tests |
| 08:46.03 | Adys | so yeah :P |
| 08:46.14 | Shirik | Sure but I've long since said I don't approve of Blizzard's process model |
| 08:46.37 | Adys | no shit sherlock |
| 08:46.41 | Blu|Hungry | like i said |
| 08:46.47 | Blu|Hungry | thats what your users are for ! |
| 08:46.48 | Adys | i bet the Worms Reloaded Ready Light was designed by blizzard |
| 08:47.05 | Blu|Hungry | ? what dat ? got a youtube of that adys ? |
| 08:47.09 | unfo- | Blu|Hungry, running folding@home for a couple of minutes and i am at 81-86C |
| 08:47.17 | Blu|Hungry | ..... |
| 08:47.18 | unfo- | hit 90 |
| 08:47.19 | Blu|Hungry | hmmmmm |
| 08:47.25 | Adys | Blu|Hungry: it's a joke, you'd have to have owned worms reloaded for the first 2-3 months to understand :P |
| 08:47.45 | unfo- | Blu|Hungry, 95 |
| 08:48.21 | unfo- | i think that answers your question. that temp is not uncommon nor hasardous on a MBP |
| 08:48.24 | unfo- | 100 now :) |
| 08:48.34 | Adys | Blu|Hungry: basically, the Ready light in worms reloaded is the buggiest thing ever |
| 08:48.37 | Shirik | lol @ worms ready light |
| 08:48.45 | unfo- | Blu|Hungry, 104 :D |
| 08:48.45 | Adys | and has had a good dozen of patches to fix it |
| 08:49.05 | Adys | Blu|Hungry: search "ready" on this page: http://worms.wikia.com/wiki/Worms:_Reloaded_patches |
| 08:49.33 | unfo- | Blu|Hungry, and now a minute later of stopping folding the temperatures are back to 70 |
| 08:50.29 | Adys | Improvements have been made to the random worm placements to reduce the likelihood of worms grouping together |
| 08:50.31 | Adys | AW |
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| 08:51.28 | Adys | Psych.S05E12.Dual.Spires.HDTV.XviD-FQM.avi 411.4 MiB of 550.5 MiB (74.7%) |
| 08:51.30 | Adys | :( |
| 08:51.37 | macendo | The frenode webchat is sexy |
| 08:51.56 | Adys | its just a modified qwebchat |
| 08:52.05 | macendo | Still as sexy |
| 08:52.07 | zenzio | qqwebchat |
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| 08:53.49 | unfo- | Adys, what kinda series is Psych? |
| 08:53.57 | Adys | unfo-: crime+comedy |
| 08:54.16 | unfo- | Adys, ok. any "like series XYZ" references? |
| 08:54.21 | Adys | unfo-: very relaxed, like monk but a lot less serious; fake psychic detective |
| 08:54.29 | unfo- | ok |
| 08:54.34 | Adys | unfo-: imagine the mentalist, except a lot more like monk |
| 08:54.37 | Shirik | WHAT |
| 08:54.40 | Shirik | PYSCH IS AWESOME |
| 08:54.43 | Shirik | HOW DARE YOU INSULT |
| 08:54.49 | Mirrormn | psych is okay |
| 08:54.50 | unfo- | https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/9609091915718656 |
| 08:54.52 | Adys | Shirik i think I love you |
| 08:54.57 | Adys | MIRRORMN NO PSYCH IS AWESOME GTFO |
| 08:55.00 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 08:55.05 | Mirrormn | I felt like the main character gets annoying after several episodes |
| 08:55.10 | airtonix | ^ |
| 08:55.16 | Adys | go away |
| 08:55.20 | Adys | leave this channe. |
| 08:55.23 | Adys | never come back |
| 08:55.31 | Mirrormn | see ya |
| 08:55.38 | Fisker | 10 Gb/s DDOS |
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| 08:55.41 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 08:55.47 | Fisker | probably /b/! |
| 08:56.05 | airtonix | the real purpose of seti@home |
| 08:56.21 | Shirik | yeah Fisker that's what I thought when I heard this |
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| 08:56.40 | Adys | hey Fisker |
| 08:56.44 | Adys | when's wikia gonna buy wikileaks |
| 08:56.45 | Adys | huh?! |
| 08:56.48 | Fisker | naw man Shirik |
| 08:56.52 | Shirik | but some guy took credit for it |
| 08:57.46 | Adys | also |
| 08:57.48 | Adys | what's that ddos attack about? |
| 08:57.57 | Adys | WL getting ddos'd or? |
| 08:58.01 | Shirik | are you living in a rock? |
| 08:58.06 | Adys | yes |
| 08:58.06 | Shirik | Oh wait you're living in canada |
| 08:58.07 | Shirik | same thing |
| 08:58.12 | Adys | what the fuck dude |
| 08:58.14 | Adys | im in the uk |
| 08:58.17 | Shirik | oh right |
| 08:58.19 | Mirrormn | so |
| 08:58.20 | Shirik | it's Ackis that's in canada |
| 08:58.22 | mitch0 | they caught the guy though, haven't they? |
| 08:58.30 | Mirrormn | UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORMS does not fire on login |
| 08:58.35 | Adys | WILL YOU STOP CONFUSING ME WITH ACKIS |
| 08:58.42 | Mirrormn | how am I supposed to know when shapeshift form info is ready =/ |
| 08:58.42 | Shirik | YOU BOTH START WITH A AND END WITH S |
| 08:58.52 | Jerub | is anyone else having trouble with wow? or is it just me? |
| 08:58.56 | nebula169 | mitch0: last i saw he was hiding from sweden |
| 08:58.58 | Adys | NEXT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME WE HAVE AN I SOUND IN THE MIDDLE TOO |
| 08:59.00 | airtonix | did you lube your capslock ? |
| 08:59.08 | Adys | Jerub: to get online? yeah |
| 08:59.17 | Adys | gave up a few mins ago |
| 08:59.36 | macendo | Lube the capslock, what the... |
| 08:59.46 | Adys | i don't have a capslock |
| 08:59.53 | Adys | rebound mine to another Super key |
| 09:00.01 | Adys | i can move windows with my capslock key! :3 |
| 09:00.31 | Adys | 30 mins left on psych download |
| 09:00.36 | Kalroth | Adys == chav, Ackis == canuck |
| 09:00.37 | mitch0 | adys: you're doing it wrong |
| 09:00.41 | Adys | goes to bed and enjoys 29 mins of sleep |
| 09:00.47 | Jerub | and to stay on |
| 09:00.59 | Jerub | i'm getting D/C a lot |
| 09:00.59 | mitch0 | adys: got intended caps-lock's position to be control |
| 09:01.04 | mitch0 | s/got/god/ |
| 09:01.19 | mitch0 | way to go ruining my witty remarks with stupid typos |
| 09:01.25 | airtonix | i think you should use lube |
| 09:01.29 | Adys | God? |
| 09:01.38 | Jerub | my capslock is an escape key |
| 09:01.52 | Adys | who would that be? CPUidon? Zeussd? |
| 09:01.55 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:02.01 | Shirik | Did you have a son and name him airtonix? |
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| 09:05.50 | Shirik | btw Adys |
| 09:05.53 | Shirik | Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro. |
| 09:06.01 | Shirik | Hence you and Ackis are the same person |
| 09:06.22 | Adys | you do realize that this "thing" is about the order of the letters |
| 09:06.28 | Adys | not the letters inside the word |
| 09:06.42 | Shirik | I can't hear you |
| 09:06.46 | Shirik | nanana |
| 09:08.03 | Mirrormn | shirik, I find that somewhat stpmlsiiic |
| 09:08.18 | Mirrormn | (simplistic) |
| 09:08.26 | Adys | Shirik: in terms you'll understand better: If I'm talking about stoving my giant duck next to your bills, you picture something totally different than what you think once you re-read that sentence once or twice |
| 09:08.40 | Shirik | ow |
| 09:08.54 | Shirik | that hurt my head |
| 09:08.57 | Shirik | please don't do that again |
| 09:09.03 | Adys | Good |
| 09:09.05 | Adys | you deserved it |
| 09:09.22 | Adys | you zoophilist taxpayer. |
| 09:09.46 | mitch0 | shirik: that long sentence was funny. I only had some hickup at 'ceehiro' |
| 09:12.28 | Blu|Hungry | cheery o |
| 09:12.37 | Mirrormn | I slitl tnihk it has mroe to do whit the sroht ltnheg of the wdors and the bad job of miknag the wodrs "msesy", as wlel as ctxenot |
| 09:13.14 | Adys | obviously |
| 09:13.28 | Adys | the study is pretty old, from.. berkeley iirc? |
| 09:13.39 | Adys | says that you read the words in a binary way |
| 09:13.45 | Adys | left/right/left/right |
| 09:14.04 | Mirrormn | if you used big words and said something that was composed of odd phrases and word choice, it would be almost impossible to read |
| 09:14.51 | Shirik | I still think Japanese is the best language out there |
| 09:15.20 | Kalroth | Honorificabilitudinitatibus vs Hnofludicnaiitroiibtatibuis |
| 09:15.30 | Kalroth | see, the latter doesnt make much sense! |
| 09:15.52 | Shirik | The latter not making sense does not imply the former makes sense |
| 09:16.00 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorificabilitudinitatibus |
| 09:17.05 | Shirik | implying everything on wp makes sense |
| 09:17.26 | Adys | Mirrormn: I'm oilbtaegd to dgirasee with the ipmossitbiily of scuh a sametaent :P |
| 09:18.13 | Mirrormn | I greentae tihs seencte adoringclcy, ecatlxy dontsartnimeg tihs pononheemn (I generate this sentence accordingly, exactly demonstrating this phenomenon) |
| 09:18.26 | Kalroth | Alternatively; Antidisestablishmentarianism vs Aiiiiieeaaatsbssnhntrlntmdsm! |
| 09:18.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 09:18.43 | Mirrormn | I think I may have messed some of those up, though =/ |
| 09:19.00 | Adys | the 3 lines shirik pasted are just a carnival trick version of the study |
| 09:19.17 | Mirrormn | yeah, sentence is missing an n |
| 09:19.59 | Kalroth | No, it's true, but the order of letters matters, but they dont have to be a exact match of the intended word |
| 09:20.12 | Mirrormn | I like how "generate" can almost reform into "green tea" ^_^ |
| 09:20.21 | Adys | the study also says that the length of the word doesn't matter as long as the ratio between the word frequency in the english language, the start and end of the word as phonemes (not first & last letter) and the amount of phonemes total in the word is respected |
| 09:20.46 | Adys | so Aiiiiieeaaatsbssnhntrlntmdsm doesn't work :P |
| 09:20.57 | Kalroth | Yup, which is what I was proving! |
| 09:21.03 | Adys | you genius |
| 09:21.10 | Kalroth | The brain works by comparing; eg. if I say "long penis" you instantly think of your own penis. This is because you're comparing! |
| 09:21.15 | Adys | let me do some dick stoving up your bills |
| 09:21.25 | Adys | crap |
| 09:21.28 | Adys | i meant to type duck |
| 09:21.30 | Adys | the joke is ruined |
| 09:21.35 | Mirrormn | I don't get that one |
| 09:21.38 | Adys | screw you, freud, in every way |
| 09:21.49 | Mirrormn | what am I supposed to think when I read that? |
| 09:22.04 | Adys | Mirrormn: you're not supposed to get it, dont worry |
| 09:22.10 | Mirrormn | all right |
| 09:22.13 | Mirrormn | back to coding! |
| 09:22.14 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: new version uploaded, fixing the Zangarmarsh issue |
| 09:22.25 | Adys | Mirrormn: actually, it depends; how long is your penis? |
| 09:22.28 | Adys | I might be interested |
| 09:22.38 | Mirrormn | I have determined that there is no event that fires when shapeshift form info is available |
| 09:22.41 | Mirrormn | which makes me angry |
| 09:25.10 | Nechckn | Shirik do not give up our little secret... jeeez |
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| 09:28.13 | Mirrormn | Adys: by the way, I would Aiiiiieeaaatsbssnhntrlntmdsm pretty quickly |
| 09:28.31 | Mirrormn | despite not being able to "read" it |
| 09:28.39 | Mirrormn | (would recognize |
| 09:29.10 | Mirrormn | I wonder if there is any research on how understandble sentences are if you completely leave out crucial words ^_^ |
| 09:34.03 | macendo | Is it just me, or are a lot of events called twice for one actual event? |
| 09:34.46 | unfo- | Mirrormn, know your meme: I accidentally |
| 09:35.02 | Mirrormn | if you're referring to things like UNIT_AURA, they are often called multiple times for the same entity when that entity has more than one UID |
| 09:35.42 | Mirrormn | for example, if I'm in a raid, and my buffs change, it will call UNIT_AURA for "player" and UNIT_AURA again for "raid10" or whatever |
| 09:36.46 | Mirrormn | other than that, I have not noticed event doubling |
| 09:38.46 | jnwhiteh | well that's a 'feature' not a bug ;P |
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| 09:39.03 | jnwhiteh | since it allows you to write frames that update only when the unit they are displaying changes |
| 09:39.16 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, it can be confusing if you'r enot expecting it :P |
| 09:40.24 | Mirrormn | well I never said it was a bug ;P |
| 09:40.28 | macendo | Mirrormn: For example, LOOT_OPENED seems to be called twice |
| 09:41.01 | macendo | Mirromn: It doesn't get called if someone else loots, does it just decide to do an exception and call it for my raid target aswell? |
| 09:41.53 | macendo | UNIT_COMBAT seems to be called for all infinity in combat for players :/ |
| 09:41.56 | Mirrormn | I just looted a mob, it only called LOOT_OPENED once |
| 09:42.08 | macendo | Mirrormn: Twice for me :/ |
| 09:42.28 | macendo | Even though im in no party or raid |
| 09:42.36 | Mirrormn | well you clearly need to reformat your hard drive, reinstall your OS, and then reinstall WoW =/ |
| 09:43.17 | macendo | UNIT_DIED in COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED or whatever is called, is also done twice for me |
| 09:43.31 | jnwhiteh | this is with /eventtrace |
| 09:43.33 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 09:43.40 | Mirrormn | yeah this sounds strange |
| 09:43.41 | jnwhiteh | because I've never seen these events duplicate |
| 09:43.51 | Mirrormn | maybe you're registering for events twice ^_^ |
| 09:43.53 | jnwhiteh | so I say its your display code =) |
| 09:43.58 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: you can't on the same frame |
| 09:44.01 | jnwhiteh | but use /eventtrace |
| 09:44.04 | jnwhiteh | it is correct, always :P |
| 09:44.13 | Mirrormn | yeah, I mean he has two frames both registered for all events |
| 09:44.15 | macendo | It's basically creating a simple frame, registering events |
| 09:44.16 | Mirrormn | or something |
| 09:44.21 | jnwhiteh | macendo: just use /eventtrace |
| 09:44.25 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 09:44.27 | jnwhiteh | and see if you can duplicate these double events |
| 09:44.29 | Mirrormn | eventtrace is for winners |
| 09:44.35 | macendo | I'll try when i get home then |
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| 09:45.29 | Mirrormn | yeah if you're *actually* getting doubles of those events, there's something very wrong |
| 09:45.50 | Mirrormn | I'd put my money on you're somehow interpreting each single event as 2 outputs |
| 09:46.27 | Mirrormn | GSL on soon :> |
| 09:47.49 | cbreak_work | or you just register twice :) |
| 09:47.54 | cbreak_work | (wonder if that's possible)_ |
| 09:47.59 | jnwhiteh | jit snot |
| 09:48.01 | jnwhiteh | its not |
| 09:48.02 | jnwhiteh | its a flag |
| 09:48.10 | cbreak_work | maybe with two frames |
| 09:48.11 | jnwhiteh | you can't turn a light-switch on twice :P |
| 09:48.23 | Mirrormn | we just went through this lol |
| 09:48.40 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 09:48.59 | cbreak_work | he who does not read the past is doomed to repeat it. |
| 09:49.07 | cbreak_work | or rather, me who does not... |
| 09:49.14 | macendo | me who does not? |
| 09:50.42 | Mirrormn | (cause he was the one who did it) |
| 09:53.57 | Shirik | :( cbreak |
| 09:54.02 | Shirik | my parser does not like your statement |
| 09:54.05 | Shirik | INFO:Parser:Failed to parse sentence '['me', 'who', 'does', 'not', 'read', 'the', 'past', 'is', 'doomed', 'to', 'repeat', 'it']' |
| 09:54.12 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 09:54.17 | Mirrormn | as it should |
| 09:55.24 | Shirik | o.o |
| 09:55.33 | Shirik | it did translate 'doomed' into 'destine' though |
| 09:55.36 | Adys | omg |
| 09:55.37 | Adys | Shirik |
| 09:55.53 | Adys | Shirik. |
| 09:56.01 | Shirik | Adys |
| 09:56.04 | Adys | this episode of psych has like half the cast from Twin Peaks |
| 09:56.09 | Adys | when they said they were giving it a tribute |
| 09:56.11 | Adys | they were serious |
| 09:56.12 | Mirrormn | O.o |
| 09:56.18 | Shirik | haven't been able to watch recently |
| 09:56.21 | Mirrormn | that sounds pretty neat actually |
| 09:56.31 | Adys | im sad because i didnt watch twin peaks |
| 09:56.39 | Adys | and i dont get half the references :( |
| 09:56.44 | Mirrormn | I remember being very confused by it as a child |
| 09:56.59 | Kalroth | touches his log. |
| 09:56.59 | Adys | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1654401/ |
| 09:57.12 | Mirrormn | I downloaded the whole thing earlier this year but actually found it kind of boring |
| 09:57.12 | Adys | touches his lag. |
| 09:57.17 | Mirrormn | so I only watched like 5 episodes |
| 09:57.18 | Mirrormn | =/ |
| 09:58.37 | Arrowmaster | grr, cant sleep |
| 09:58.37 | Shirik | Kalroth |
| 09:59.36 | Kalroth | t'nod ssot eht dalas, kirihS |
| 10:00.01 | Shirik | Kalroth: http://wowi.pastey.net/143525 |
| 10:00.10 | Shirik | I don't think any of those meanings were what you meant by "log" |
| 10:00.40 | Kalroth | the first one is true! |
| 10:01.13 | Shirik | I wonder if I can argue to the wordnet maintaners that log should be a hypernym of penis |
| 10:01.23 | Kalroth | http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4200000/The-Lady-with-the-Log-twin-peaks-4245381-300-450.jpg |
| 10:01.27 | Kalroth | for Adys |
| 10:01.33 | Kalroth | that never saw teen peaks |
| 10:01.36 | Kalroth | er, twin peaks |
| 10:02.53 | Mirrormn | when I downloaded Twin Peaks, it had the Log Lady segments all as separate files =/ |
| 10:03.57 | Kalroth | I'm sure there is a sexual fetish with her and her log |
| 10:04.00 | Shirik | >>> wn.synset('penis.n.01').hyponyms()[1].definition |
| 10:04.00 | Shirik | 'obscene terms for penis' |
| 10:04.08 | Shirik | Does "log" qualify as "obscene term"? |
| 10:04.16 | Kalroth | depends on the context |
| 10:04.32 | Kalroth | "can you please check the error log?" is not obscene |
| 10:04.37 | Shirik | no |
| 10:04.43 | Kalroth | "suck my big fat log" is a little obscene |
| 10:04.52 | Shirik | We're talking about the synset of "log" which would have the meaning of penis |
| 10:05.06 | Kalroth | sure, that doesnt change much |
| 10:05.30 | Kalroth | "the doctor recommended a penis check when I mentioned pissing blood" is not obscene |
| 10:05.56 | Shirik | correct, but "penis" is not the lemma that is defined as "obscene terms for penis" |
| 10:05.57 | Kalroth | "I opened my coat and waved my penis in front of the college girls" is a little obscene |
| 10:06.01 | Shirik | that lemma is named "cock" |
| 10:06.15 | Shirik | though I think it has more words in it than that |
| 10:06.22 | Shirik | I forget how to check that though |
| 10:07.03 | Mirrormn | you can use almost any word to mean "penis" |
| 10:07.09 | Mirrormn | if you make the context obvious enough |
| 10:07.28 | Mirrormn | well not almost any word |
| 10:07.33 | Mirrormn | but a surprisingly large number |
| 10:07.49 | Dagmar | *sadface* |
| 10:08.27 | Dagmar | I'm um... pretty sure this is made with real gnome: http://www.wowhead.com/item=63694/silithid-free-sorbet |
| 10:08.34 | Dagmar | Naaaasty. |
| 10:09.42 | Dagmar | ...and up until now I thought the poop quests were nasty. |
| 10:10.56 | Xyphoid | the spider quests in hillsbrad are the ickiest i've run across ever |
| 10:11.15 | Dagmar | It's ice-cream flavored with dead, waterlogged gnome. |
| 10:11.22 | Adys | Ok |
| 10:11.23 | Adys | addendum |
| 10:11.32 | Adys | this psych ep has ALL the main cast of twin peaks |
| 10:12.05 | Shirik | Mirrormn seems to be very close to the truth |
| 10:12.22 | Adys | Mirrormn: let me show you my surprisingly large number. |
| 10:12.23 | Shirik | >>> [wn.synsets(word)[0].path_similarity(wn.synset('penis.n.01')) for word in ['you', 'can', 'use', 'almost', 'any', 'word', 'to', 'mean', 'penis'] if len(wn.synsets(word)) > 0] |
| 10:12.23 | Shirik | [0.076923076923076927, 0.071428571428571425, None, None, 0.076923076923076927, 0.0625, 1.0] |
| 10:12.35 | Shirik | In that sentence, only 2 words showed as having no relationship to 'penis' |
| 10:12.42 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 10:12.56 | Shirik | granted that relationship is not strong at all |
| 10:12.58 | Shirik | but it is amusing |
| 10:13.05 | Shirik | except for the last word of course |
| 10:13.12 | Shirik | Adys |
| 10:13.20 | Shirik | Are you impressed that I could write that python line on my own, btw? |
| 10:13.22 | Mirrormn | penis <-> penis: 1.0! |
| 10:13.58 | Shirik | answer me adys! |
| 10:14.03 | Adys | I'm half-impressed |
| 10:14.17 | Shirik | half? :( |
| 10:14.19 | Adys | well |
| 10:14.19 | Mirrormn | wrtie a line of python that demonstrates how impressed you are |
| 10:14.23 | Adys | it's not that hard of a line |
| 10:14.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:14.41 | Shirik | It shows I understand list comprehensions |
| 10:14.55 | Adys | yes well |
| 10:14.55 | Shirik | I comprehend list comprehensions |
| 10:14.57 | Shirik | hoho |
| 10:14.58 | Adys | print "".join(['<span style="color:blue">Entry #%i</span> (%s): %s<br/>' % (id, new[id]["name_enus"], ", ".join(['<span style="color:blue">%s</span> changed from <b>%s</b> to <b>%s</b>' % (column, old[id][column], new[id][column]) for column in old[id].dict() if column != "_reclen" and column in new[id].structure.column_names and old[id][column] != new[id][column]])) for id in old.keys() if id in new and new[id] != old[id]]) |
| 10:15.09 | Shirik | fyi |
| 10:15.16 | Shirik | my client locked up for a second there |
| 10:15.20 | Shirik | while it figured out wtf you are doing |
| 10:15.37 | Adys | good |
| 10:15.39 | Adys | it deserved it |
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| 10:21.38 | Cide | hi |
| 10:24.01 | Shirik | hi cide |
| 10:24.09 | Shirik | You were all like "nah I'm too cool to wait for Shirik to get home" |
| 10:24.10 | Shirik | but no |
| 10:24.13 | Shirik | now I'm going to sleep |
| 10:24.16 | Shirik | so now YOU have to wait |
| 10:24.17 | Shirik | nyah |
| 10:26.26 | Adys | Shirik |
| 10:26.27 | Adys | http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978736706 |
| 10:26.32 | Shirik | omg Cide |
| 10:26.35 | Shirik | You missed my awesome python line |
| 10:26.44 | Shirik | (05:12:17) (@Shirik) >>> [wn.synsets(word)[0].path_similarity(wn.synset('penis.n.01')) for word in ['you', 'can', 'use', 'almost', 'any', 'word', 'to', 'mean', 'penis'] if len(wn.synsets(word)) > 0] |
| 10:26.44 | Shirik | (05:12:17) (@Shirik) [0.076923076923076927, 0.071428571428571425, None, None, 0.076923076923076927, 0.0625, 1.0] |
| 10:26.53 | Shirik | Aren't you proud of me I can make lines like this? |
| 10:26.54 | Mirrormn | god I remember that |
| 10:26.55 | Adys | hey |
| 10:26.56 | Adys | shirik |
| 10:26.57 | Mirrormn | those were good times |
| 10:27.13 | Adys | >>> [wn.synsets(word)[0].path_similarity(wn.synset('penis.n.01')) for word in "you can use almost any word to mean penis".split() if len(wn.synsets(word)) > 0] |
| 10:27.21 | Shirik | CIDE APPRECIATES ME MORE THAN YOU DO ADYS |
| 10:27.26 | Adys | I DONT CAAAAAARE |
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| 10:28.07 | Shirik | goes to sleep |
| 10:28.11 | Adys | WAIT |
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| 10:28.13 | Adys | SHIRIK |
| 10:28.40 | Adys | Shirik: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/12/02/ds.png |
| 10:30.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 10:30.35 | Adys | No |
| 10:31.01 | Kalroth | he's immune to you two |
| 10:31.09 | Adys | go away Kalroth |
| 10:31.18 | Adys | you refused to have cheap sex with me, I don't like you anymore |
| 10:31.29 | Kalroth | sorry, i only do expensive sex now |
| 10:31.37 | Adys | lame |
| 10:31.57 | airtonix | i hope you use lube |
| 10:32.34 | Adys | expensive lube |
| 10:38.26 | Dagmar | 1Gb should be enough for 6-8 people at least |
| 10:38.29 | Cide | Shirik: that's nice |
| 10:38.53 | Cide | so 'you' is almost 8% penis? |
| 10:38.58 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 10:39.18 | Mirrormn | I wonder how accurate that is |
| 10:39.43 | Mirrormn | in terms of weight |
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| 10:39.55 | Cide | Shirik: and you were in a meeting for like 5 hours so it's not my fault |
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| 10:45.06 | jnwhiteh | 10:43 <#wowhead> Kroaken: once i meet a guy that played wow and drink all day red bull |
| 10:45.07 | jnwhiteh | 10:43 <#wowhead> Kroaken: and was not chines :P |
| 10:45.13 | jnwhiteh | I can't handle that |
| 10:45.16 | jnwhiteh | I need to leave the internet. |
| 10:45.28 | Cide | noo |
| 10:46.47 | TMc51 | Leaving the internet is unpossible. It owns your soul, you'll be back within 6 hours. |
| 10:48.34 | Adys | agreed with jnwhiteh |
| 10:48.37 | Adys | red bull is disgusting |
| 10:49.39 | TMc51 | Adys: I think that's how everybody feels about red bull. Worst tasting energy drink ever made. |
| 10:49.53 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 10:50.00 | Adys | I remember the first time I drank red bull |
| 10:50.06 | Adys | I remember it because it was the last, too |
| 10:50.26 | TMc51 | Same, one sip and it was so awful I spit it all out and gave the can to my sister. |
| 10:50.29 | jnwhiteh | i once guy'd a kill. |
| 10:50.47 | Adys | jnwhiteh is turning into a Fisker faster than I am |
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| 11:00.20 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:00.22 | Fisker | yeeeeeees |
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| 11:01.00 | Fisker | http://blog.chromium.org/2010/12/rolling-out-sandbox-for-adobe-flash.html <-bam |
| 11:01.23 | Fisker | yay |
| 11:01.26 | Fisker | crashes on startup |
| 11:01.27 | Fisker | QQ |
| 11:06.41 | airtonix | why do you care |
| 11:11.27 | airtonix | Fisker, are you an expert on dykes ? |
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| 11:22.11 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 11:22.55 | Fisker | omg airtonix |
| 11:23.59 | airtonix | i though you were danish |
| 11:25.51 | Fisker | i though? |
| 11:25.55 | Fisker | brrr btw |
| 11:28.46 | Fisker | gentlemen |
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| 11:44.15 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 11:44.25 | Industrial | GRRRRRRR |
| 11:44.37 | TMc51 | meow? |
| 11:45.28 | Fisker | my mom |
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| 12:04.01 | Industrial | jnwhiteh: tomtomlite barfed just now http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ae211499f4190166c103066e6c7e9a83.jpg |
| 12:04.20 | Fisker | i just barfed in your mouth Industrial |
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| 12:07.36 | Industrial | Fisker: I just farted in your general direction. |
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| 12:30.10 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: did you update? |
| 12:31.38 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, you haven't :P |
| 12:31.41 | jnwhiteh | update |
| 12:31.51 | bluspacecow | fisker or industrial ? |
| 12:32.30 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 12:32.31 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: |
| 12:32.33 | jnwhiteh | but i blame fisker |
| 12:32.34 | jnwhiteh | ^^ |
| 12:34.13 | jnwhiteh | !addon TomTomLite |
| 12:34.14 | lua_bot | TomTomLite (v. v40000-0.0.5) last updated Thu Dec 2 09:22 (http://is.gd/i5Hze) |
| 12:34.19 | jnwhiteh | ooh.. burn! |
| 12:35.19 | Fisker | give me windows 8 jnwhiteh |
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| 12:36.17 | jnwhiteh | mnop |
| 12:36.24 | jnwhiteh | i'll give you Android 11 |
| 12:37.57 | Fisker | no? |
| 12:38.10 | Olison | Fis ker din |
| 12:38.19 | Fisker | http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/27647-inf-v4050/ <-i was like zomg |
| 12:38.28 | Fisker | how did you find that out Olison ? |
| 12:38.40 | Olison | Find what out? |
| 12:39.13 | Olison | windows8, wat |
| 12:39.20 | Fisker | wat indeed |
| 12:40.00 | Olison | windows8 128 bit, nice |
| 12:43.21 | Cide | lol |
| 12:43.24 | Cide | massive load of bs too |
| 12:43.53 | Mirrormn | yeah, wtf would be the benefit of making 128 bit? |
| 12:44.02 | Mirrormn | *making it |
| 12:44.03 | unfo- | future compliant? |
| 12:44.17 | Cide | that's fucking stupid |
| 12:44.25 | Cide | 64 bit is plenty at the moment |
| 12:44.40 | Cide | and it's not very supported yet as it is |
| 12:45.00 | Mirrormn | I agree unequivocably with what Cide has said |
| 12:45.24 | unfo- | "is plenty at the moment" does not quite retaliate on "future complient" |
| 12:45.31 | Cide | you're right |
| 12:45.33 | unfo- | "640k should be enough for everybody" |
| 12:45.42 | Cide | a spacecraft to alpha centauri would be future complait too |
| 12:45.43 | Kalroth | 9223372036854775808 should be enough for everybody |
| 12:45.46 | Cide | doesn't make it less fucking stupid |
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| 12:46.03 | Cide | there is barely software support for 64 bit still |
| 12:46.13 | Cide | it does what we need and usually much more than we need |
| 12:46.15 | Malediction | Considering the lifetime of Windows versions, it makes sense. |
| 12:46.21 | unfo- | oh really? I've had little trouble with modern software and 64bit |
| 12:46.38 | unfo- | indeed. there are still XPs around from 10 years ago |
| 12:46.39 | Cide | that's because most cpu's can run 32 bit code and windows can too |
| 12:46.55 | Cide | s/most/all/ |
| 12:47.15 | Cide | or maybe windows does the emulation, who cares |
| 12:47.23 | Cide | point is 64 bit isn't very supported natively |
| 12:47.47 | Cide | going to 128 bit would be a massive effort and totally unnecessary |
| 12:47.49 | unfo- | and thus looking forward is inherently stupid... they should just bide their time and wait till it gets to full maturity? |
| 12:48.03 | Cide | yes |
| 12:48.31 | Mirrormn | wait till WHAT gets to full maturity? |
| 12:48.38 | Cide | you don't create an operating system that does 128 bit before there are even processors that do 128 bit |
| 12:48.44 | Cide | or maybe you can find one for me |
| 12:48.59 | Malediction | WindowsOnWindows (WOW64 in Vista/7) is a pretty pimp piece of engineering by MS, I expect they'll be leveraging it for 128bit support initially. |
| 12:49.17 | Cide | totally |
| 12:49.19 | Cide | in 10 years |
| 12:49.32 | Mirrormn | I mean, there's adding a feature because you think it might be useful sometime in the future |
| 12:49.34 | Cide | when you'll see 64 bit applications being the standard |
| 12:49.59 | airtonix | then you may worship Cide |
| 12:50.03 | Mirrormn | and then there's adding a feature that will be completely useless for like the next 5 releases of your product |
| 12:50.05 | airtonix | until then |
| 12:50.36 | unfo- | Mirrormn, feature vs system architecture |
| 12:50.43 | Cide | hey unfo |
| 12:50.51 | Cide | do you know anything about computer science |
| 12:50.55 | Cide | in fact |
| 12:50.59 | Cide | do you know anything |
| 12:51.00 | airtonix | do you? |
| 12:51.02 | Cide | yes |
| 12:51.08 | airtonix | ok spill it |
| 12:51.10 | airtonix | everything |
| 12:51.16 | unfo- | apparently you have decided i don't so i won't bother trying to argue with you. |
| 12:51.30 | Cide | I've been arguing with you despite my opinion |
| 12:51.31 | airtonix | mmm |
| 12:51.36 | airtonix | maybe he overloaded |
| 12:51.54 | Cide | the fact that you give up tells me your heart isn't really in it |
| 12:52.45 | airtonix | i agree |
| 12:52.57 | airtonix | luke warm |
| 12:52.58 | unfo- | ad hominem is always a good way to go. also why should my heart be in this? |
| 12:53.09 | Cide | because you are arguing it's a good idea |
| 12:53.16 | aualin | unfo-: Your heart should be in all arguments |
| 12:53.32 | unfo- | aualin, no it shouldn't. and especially not online. |
| 12:53.42 | airtonix | :( |
| 12:53.47 | Cide | why are you arguing a point you don't believe in then |
| 12:54.14 | Mirrormn | this argument is getting really silly ^_^ |
| 12:54.17 | unfo- | i believe it, but i am not "wholeheartedly standing firm and defending it towards people attacking it" |
| 12:54.37 | aualin | Oh, that's not bringing your heart with you, but being stubborn |
| 12:54.41 | Cide | maybe people are attacking it because it's stupid :) |
| 12:54.47 | Malediction | On the 128bit issue: |
| 12:54.49 | Malediction | http://windows8news.com/2009/11/27/windows-8-128bit-rumours-were-fake/ |
| 12:54.52 | Cide | oh |
| 12:54.53 | Malediction | whistles |
| 12:54.56 | Cide | what's that I hear |
| 12:55.15 | aualin | I never really expected Microsoft the be ahead of anyone else :) |
| 12:55.20 | Cide | is it the sound of me being right? |
| 12:55.48 | Cide | they most definitely aren't ahead of hardware developers in adding support for hardware |
| 12:56.02 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 12:56.07 | Cide | though at least they can properly code software audio mixing LOL |
| 12:56.10 | Mirrormn | I wouldn't be so incredulous about 128 bit support |
| 12:56.19 | Mirrormn | if I had ever heard of a processor with 128 bit support |
| 12:56.19 | unfo- | Cide, sure. people have differing opinions, and if i get good evidence that going 128bit (even tho now it is a moot point due to that fake message) is a terrible horrible idea that _could not_ result in anything good then i will happily change my stance |
| 12:56.34 | airtonix | lube? |
| 12:56.35 | Cide | 128 bit support would be nice, sure |
| 12:56.44 | Cide | but it's completely unreasonable and insane |
| 12:56.48 | unfo- | Cide, but you were mainly shouting and then directing accusations at me personally so you didn't exactly "win my heart over" as would be the appropriate term here. |
| 12:56.59 | Cide | I didn't shout even once |
| 12:57.05 | Olison | Obvious hoax |
| 12:57.08 | Mirrormn | oh yes you did |
| 12:57.09 | Cide | I only accused you of being stupid |
| 12:57.15 | Cide | quote? |
| 12:57.16 | airtonix | :) |
| 12:57.20 | Mirrormn | I've been reading your secret hidden emotion-text, Cide |
| 12:57.28 | Mirrormn | you were quite worked up |
| 12:57.33 | Cide | oh, neat |
| 12:57.39 | Cide | I should have known |
| 12:57.50 | Malediction | analyses Mirrormn's emotional metadata |
| 12:57.51 | Malediction | :x |
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| 12:58.04 | jnwhiteh | Do I add the features I need to add to TomTomLite |
| 12:58.05 | aualin | That's your conclusion? |
| 12:58.07 | jnwhiteh | or try to fix TomTom |
| 12:58.07 | Mirrormn | :x |
| 12:58.10 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 12:58.22 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.28 | airtonix | ~8ball |
| 12:58.28 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: As I see it, yes |
| 12:58.49 | aualin | Coughing with something in your mouth, is not nice :( |
| 12:59.02 | airtonix | lube? |
| 12:59.06 | aualin | My screen got orange juce all over |
| 12:59.11 | airtonix | kinky |
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| 13:00.23 | Cide | I'll give you some of my orange... juice |
| 13:02.05 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: what's wrong with tomtom? (apart from the broken astrolabe, if you haven't fixed that yet) |
| 13:02.17 | jnwhiteh | shit in the mapping system changed so much |
| 13:02.23 | jnwhiteh | people are havign issues anytime they're in an instance |
| 13:02.27 | jnwhiteh | and in lots of weird random places |
| 13:02.38 | jnwhiteh | and I had to implement a compatibilty later with astrolabe |
| 13:02.44 | jnwhiteh | because teh API changed in such a fundamental way |
| 13:04.18 | jnwhiteh | and I'm just very frustrated with it. |
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| 13:11.40 | mitch0 | why not move to LibMapData? |
| 13:11.50 | jnwhiteh | same API change |
| 13:11.53 | jnwhiteh | and I have for TomTomLite |
| 13:11.56 | mitch0 | astrolabe seems a bit fragile to me |
| 13:11.59 | jnwhiteh | but I could drop either on in place in TomTomLite |
| 13:12.02 | jnwhiteh | its not really |
| 13:12.07 | jnwhiteh | and the API is more consistent than LibMapData |
| 13:12.37 | jnwhiteh | Astrolabe just changed the API to use map ids /floor ids, which makes sense.. it just meant I had to patchfix TomTom |
| 13:12.46 | jnwhiteh | its mainly my fault |
| 13:12.47 | jnwhiteh | but *shrug* |
| 13:14.48 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: So I can stop blaming Blizzard about POIs not working with TomTom anymore? :) |
| 13:14.55 | jnwhiteh | use tomTomLite |
| 13:14.58 | jnwhiteh | it works perfectly |
| 13:14.58 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:15.28 | mitch0 | what does it lack compared to tomtom? |
| 13:15.40 | jnwhiteh | right now ALL it does is quest objective tracking |
| 13:15.46 | jnwhiteh | i'm putting in world map icon overlays right now |
| 13:15.50 | jnwhiteh | then i'll add a way to add waypoints |
| 13:15.51 | jnwhiteh | reorder the queue |
| 13:15.55 | jnwhiteh | and that'll pretty much be it |
| 13:16.07 | mitch0 | so it's missing /way x y right now? |
| 13:16.08 | jnwhiteh | but I'm looking for suggestions |
| 13:16.12 | aualin | So UNIT_DIED is called twice for me, for the same unit. AvailableBosses are unitids it should react to, and GUIDToMobId converts GUID to mob id :D http://pastie.org/1341160 |
| 13:16.13 | jnwhiteh | that's one line of code |
| 13:16.18 | jnwhiteh | so its missing it, but not really |
| 13:16.19 | aualin | Any ideas on why this happens? |
| 13:16.25 | jnwhiteh | TomtomLite will never display anythign on the minimap |
| 13:16.28 | jnwhiteh | only world map and crazy arrow |
| 13:16.38 | jnwhiteh | i'm still open to suggestions on what you want to have |
| 13:16.44 | jnwhiteh | since I'm writing it now. |
| 13:16.52 | mitch0 | personally I don't care for the minimap |
| 13:16.58 | jnwhiteh | well its going, 100% |
| 13:17.05 | jnwhiteh | its useless now that blizzard has their own minimap stuff. |
| 13:17.25 | jnwhiteh | ooh, anyone want to design the TomTomLite map overlay icon? |
| 13:17.29 | mitch0 | and I'd be happy to use LMD instead of astrolabe |
| 13:17.34 | jnwhiteh | its using LMD |
| 13:17.40 | jnwhiteh | so tell me what you NEED from TomTom |
| 13:17.43 | jnwhiteh | and I'll get it in there |
| 13:17.48 | mitch0 | nuttin |
| 13:17.52 | mitch0 | what you told is enough |
| 13:17.57 | mitch0 | (+ way |
| 13:18.04 | jnwhiteh | quick, I need someone to throw a graphic together for me |
| 13:18.08 | jnwhiteh | :P: |
| 13:18.29 | mitch0 | grab some free arrow icon? |
| 13:18.31 | zenzio | throws a graphic at jnwhiteh |
| 13:18.45 | jnwhiteh | don't need an arrow |
| 13:18.47 | jnwhiteh | its simpler than that |
| 13:18.51 | jnwhiteh | I want a circle with a 'T' inside it :p |
| 13:18.53 | mitch0 | oh. what do you need then? |
| 13:19.13 | mitch0 | where will it be displayed? |
| 13:19.24 | jnwhiteh | world map |
| 13:19.29 | mitch0 | for the current waypoint? |
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| 13:19.53 | jnwhiteh | for any waypoints |
| 13:20.07 | jnwhiteh | so I need three colors |
| 13:20.09 | jnwhiteh | one for 'waypoint' |
| 13:20.14 | jnwhiteh | one for 'waypoint on another floor' |
| 13:20.17 | jnwhiteh | and one for 'active waypoint' |
| 13:20.23 | Industrial | [Ammo]: Please add support for AdiBags in MoneyTrail ? :) |
| 13:20.50 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: like this but something obviously TomTom |
| 13:20.51 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/02f4bf0ebb0680bdaf1c5b8df9db3acc.png |
| 13:20.53 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: I'd go for something else than a T in a circle |
| 13:20.57 | jnwhiteh | such as? |
| 13:21.15 | mitch0 | dunno, simple dot, crosshair like dot, something |
| 13:21.48 | mitch0 | the T is not cool |
| 13:21.56 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 13:22.04 | jnwhiteh | well I want to make it clear that its an addon adding it |
| 13:22.06 | jnwhiteh | and it needs to not suck |
| 13:22.15 | mitch0 | with the T it'll suck |
| 13:22.28 | mitch0 | can you animate it? :) |
| 13:22.28 | Torhal | How about an exxaggerated "I", which is actually two "T"s end-to-end, so mitch0 will complain louder? :D |
| 13:22.50 | jnwhiteh | oh, I've got an idea |
| 13:22.57 | jnwhiteh | what about the google maps location point |
| 13:23.13 | Torhal | mitch0: Speaking of complaining, please fix Bazooka to adhere to the display/plugin paradigm. I'm sick of removing Cork shit from my bar :P |
| 13:23.17 | Fisker | makes jnwhiteh a fart |
| 13:23.26 | mitch0 | I hate that |
| 13:23.46 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bc967e247386f668ea563077e2accb08.png |
| 13:23.48 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 13:23.58 | batrick | Shirik: zzz |
| 13:24.01 | mitch0 | torhal: oh, it enables non-launcer/data source plugins by default? |
| 13:24.10 | Torhal | mitch0: Yes |
| 13:24.17 | mitch0 | hm. it shouldn't be like that |
| 13:24.19 | mitch0 | lemme check |
| 13:24.42 | Torhal | I mentioned it to you a loooong time ago and you said something about not all plugin authors knowing what they were doing, and you didn't want users yelling at you. |
| 13:24.54 | Torhal | Well, I'm yelling. :) |
| 13:25.07 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: So a tag with a T on it? |
| 13:25.13 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 13:25.16 | jnwhiteh | i'd probably number them |
| 13:25.20 | jnwhiteh | so you can see what order they're in |
| 13:25.21 | Torhal | Hmm |
| 13:26.23 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: how much would you hate that? |
| 13:26.45 | Torhal | I need to figure out how to extract zone/continent sizes from the MPQs so I can either update LibTourist or replace it (which seems like the perfect time to do) |
| 13:26.54 | Cide | waypoint on another floor should be a regular inactive waypoint (possibly grayed out) with lowered alpha imo |
| 13:26.58 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: not much, but don't be surprised if you get a mail from legal@google.com :) |
| 13:27.04 | jnwhiteh | Cide: that's exactly what its going to be |
| 13:27.10 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: 10% difference and I can use it |
| 13:27.12 | jnwhiteh | and I intend to do just that :P |
| 13:27.14 | Torhal | mitch0: I'm pretty sure the tags they use have prior art |
| 13:27.36 | Cide | and active waypoint should have a glowing border imo :) |
| 13:27.52 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:27.55 | jnwhiteh | that's what I'm going to work on |
| 13:27.58 | Cide | sweet |
| 13:28.00 | Torhal | Cide: Should they also pulse, and occasionally have a chat bubble saying "Click me!"? |
| 13:28.08 | Cide | no |
| 13:28.28 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 13:28.30 | Cide | though the border's glow could be animated, but that's likely too much work |
| 13:30.04 | Lulia | Did you get one, jnwhiteh? That's a bit simpler and I can do it right now. |
| 13:30.15 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: get one what? |
| 13:30.23 | Lulia | The three images you just requested |
| 13:30.51 | Cide | jnwhiteh is a *man* |
| 13:30.55 | Cide | he doesn't request stuff |
| 13:30.57 | Cide | he does it himself |
| 13:31.15 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: no, I'm working on something now |
| 13:31.22 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: something like this http://images.gammatester.com/ |
| 13:31.24 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 13:31.27 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bc967e247386f668ea563077e2accb08.png |
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| 13:31.41 | jnwhiteh | the inner color should probably be grayscale so I can color it myself |
| 13:31.45 | Lulia | Yeah, I read it, I thought you were looking for someone to make an image :P |
| 13:31.51 | jnwhiteh | then I need a 'glow' texture that I can apply on top for the 'current' waypoint |
| 13:31.52 | mitch0 | torhal: check latest alpha |
| 13:31.55 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: I am, if you want to :P |
| 13:32.10 | Lulia | Should take about 5 minutes at most :P |
| 13:32.25 | jnwhiteh | I like having an icon minion :P |
| 13:32.31 | jnwhiteh | more time for me to program |
| 13:32.35 | Lulia | Never heard of it |
| 13:32.52 | Mirrormn | wow I wish I had an icon minion |
| 13:35.18 | Lulia | faded, glow, and normal? |
| 13:35.38 | jnwhiteh | I can handle the fading with alpha/saturation |
| 13:35.52 | jnwhiteh | so normal and then a texture I can apply over the normal |
| 13:35.57 | jnwhiteh | or a 'glowy' one |
| 13:35.59 | jnwhiteh | either is probably okay |
| 13:36.47 | Lulia | Would you like the texture effect over it to be colorless as well? |
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| 13:37.05 | jnwhiteh | that's the part I'm having an issue deciding :P |
| 13:37.13 | jnwhiteh | I can always desaturate it myself and make it colourable. |
| 13:37.16 | jnwhiteh | so make it colored I guess |
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| 13:42.24 | Fisker | jnwhiteh i want a gingerbread |
| 13:42.32 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/MapPointerOverlay1.png |
| 13:42.37 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/MapPointer1.png |
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| 13:42.48 | Lulia | This is what the overlay looks like: http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/MapOverlayDisplay.png |
| 13:43.00 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 13:43.03 | jnwhiteh | thank you muchly |
| 13:43.11 | Lulia | If you want it different, let me know. |
| 13:43.13 | jnwhiteh | permission/license/blowjobs? |
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| 13:43.34 | Lulia | You can use it! :P |
| 13:43.39 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 13:45.25 | Lulia | Is it going into TomTom or a different AddOn? |
| 13:45.35 | jnwhiteh | TomTomLite |
| 13:46.32 | Lulia | Getting my Warrior to 64 and going to see if it starts working again in Nagrand |
| 13:46.42 | jnwhiteh | it? |
| 13:46.51 | jnwhiteh | I updated, you should update.. it shoudl work in zangar now. |
| 13:46.52 | jnwhiteh | did for me |
| 13:47.00 | Lulia | oh |
| 13:47.40 | Lulia | What, erm, fixed it? |
| 13:47.45 | jnwhiteh | update to the library |
| 13:47.47 | jnwhiteh | it was borked |
| 13:47.49 | jnwhiteh | kagaro fixed it |
| 13:47.55 | jnwhiteh | after I told himw hatw as wrong :P |
| 13:48.11 | Lulia | :P |
| 13:48.13 | Nobgul | Anyone know if there is a irc client for ipod touch? |
| 13:49.09 | Lulia | http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2603 |
| 13:49.15 | Lulia | Post #5 |
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| 13:49.37 | Nobgul | cheers |
| 13:50.01 | Lulia | It works! (to jnwhiteh) |
| 13:50.30 | Lulia | I'm jealous that you got the rotate to work without it rescaling, I'll have to check that out some time. |
| 13:51.06 | jnwhiteh | lua> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t, k) rawset(t, k, k) return k end}); for idx, val in ipairs(t) do print(idx, val) end |
| 13:51.06 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: No output |
| 13:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | He's a godly godman. |
| 13:51.56 | Mirrormn_ | Lulia: increasing the texture object's size by a factor of sqrt(2) offsets the SetRotation rescaling |
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| 13:52.40 | Thunder_Child | Nobgul: there are a lot of them |
| 13:52.42 | Lulia | Ah, I figured it was something simple like that, but I wasn't sure of the specifics. |
| 13:52.58 | Nobgul | Thunder_Child, Thanks. Do all ipod thouches have wifi, I am leaning towards no. |
| 13:53.08 | Mirrormn_ | I believe they do |
| 13:53.09 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 13:53.14 | Mirrormn_ | mine does anyway |
| 13:53.16 | Thunder_Child | they can all tap into a wifi conneciton |
| 13:53.24 | Nobgul | Ah nice |
| 13:53.32 | Fisker | oh nooo |
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| 13:53.45 | Nobgul | Now i just need to narrow my search to something that is less then 16gig and cheap lol |
| 13:53.54 | Mirrormn_ | I can't imagine actually trying to converse on IRC using an ipod touch, though |
| 13:54.00 | Lulia | Yay internets. I'm starting to think it's the router though. |
| 13:54.01 | Thunder_Child | i have |
| 13:54.29 | Mirrormn_ | I guess if you were practiced you might be able to touch screen type with some profficiency |
| 13:54.38 | Mirrormn_ | but personally I can only do single-finger hunt and peck |
| 13:54.45 | Mirrormn_ | it's a painfully slow experience -.- |
| 13:54.55 | Thunder_Child | it's a lot faster with swype |
| 13:55.03 | Nobgul | Err. I want a ipad but they are to expensive. |
| 13:55.29 | Jerub | you can buy android tablets for under $200 |
| 13:55.37 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 13:55.41 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: Your addon assumes that Blizzard has the quests ordered in closest proximity? |
| 13:55.41 | Mirrormn_ | do they have Swype for iOS? |
| 13:56.03 | Thunder_Child | not sure |
| 13:56.06 | Nobgul | Jerub, Is there a specific anem for them? |
| 13:56.11 | Nobgul | name* |
| 13:56.17 | Nobgul | Or manufact... |
| 13:56.39 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: yes, and you can set this option |
| 13:56.44 | jnwhiteh | I haven't looked how to set that option myself, but yes. |
| 13:57.01 | Jerub | Nobgul: um, not really. http://aliexpress.com/ |
| 13:57.07 | Jerub | go Computers -> Tablet PC |
| 13:57.36 | Mirrormn_ | I've been hearing the Nook Color makes a good cheap android tablet |
| 13:57.36 | Lulia | Alright, I'll try to find out how to set that option, because it isn't right now :P |
| 13:57.37 | Fisker | i made a funny |
| 13:57.44 | Nobgul | Well i mean. There is one at a local store "wallgreens" but the brand is off the wall. So i wasn't sure if the normal stay with major brand name still applied |
| 13:57.47 | Fisker | [2. Trade] [Fiskerdin]: Look i found my [Giant Furious Pike] |
| 13:58.51 | Lulia | It's not under Objectives, where one would imagine it would be |
| 13:59.01 | Industrial | is it possible to change the order of POI's? |
| 13:59.03 | Nobgul | I wouldn't mind getting one for 100$ ish and if it dies in a year thats fine |
| 13:59.21 | Mirrormn_ | http://androidandme.com/2010/11/news/nook-color-gets-rooted-and-swaps-books-for-angry-birds/ |
| 13:59.43 | Nobgul | Also i assume there is a andriod irc client, and other revelant software. |
| 14:00.28 | Jerub | Nobgul: i suggest paying a premium and sarching for one with >=512mb of ram and android >=2.1 |
| 14:00.39 | Lulia | Hmm, I can't find it either. If anyone knows where the option is, certainly let me know :( |
| 14:00.49 | Jerub | (they'll list ram as storage, be mindful) |
| 14:01.03 | Nobgul | Jerub, It mainly for my 6 year old to use when she is stuck in the office with me, but I will use it lightly other times. |
| 14:01.27 | Nobgul | She is constantly putting me off my pc to "play games" |
| 14:02.15 | Thunder_Child | stop letting a 6 year old kick you off your computer? |
| 14:02.19 | Jerub | Nobgul: cheaper to get her a nintendo DS |
| 14:02.25 | Jerub | and then you don't have to worry about it breaking |
| 14:02.41 | Thunder_Child | yes, but you still have to buy games |
| 14:02.42 | Lulia | Oh wow, jnwhiteh, I found it |
| 14:02.48 | Jerub | DS + one of those hacked cards |
| 14:02.52 | Lulia | You have to right click on the word objectives in the objectives frame |
| 14:02.52 | Jerub | i use one. an R4. |
| 14:02.56 | Jerub | but there's heaps |
| 14:02.59 | Lulia | That's so unintuitive |
| 14:02.59 | Nobgul | We have a unlocked ds. My wife uses it. |
| 14:03.10 | Nobgul | http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_020W023705190001P?vName=Computers%20&%20Electronics&cName=Laptops&sName=Tablets&sid=KDx20070926x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=020W023705190001P |
| 14:03.11 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 14:03.51 | Jerub | Nobgul: a little low on ram, but it looks like a reasonable machine |
| 14:04.14 | Jerub | i suffer on 192mb just fine :) |
| 14:04.18 | Jerub | (android phone) |
| 14:04.42 | Nobgul | Yer i'm kinda stuck though, I could wait for tax time and just get my wife a new laptop, and give her the old one. But then my 14 yeard old would be pissed cause she thinks shes getting the old laptop lol |
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| 14:11.07 | SqueeG | >.O is there an *easy* way to save pictures from the blizzard fanart page any more |
| 14:11.08 | SqueeG | ? |
| 14:11.39 | Lulia | I couldn't find one, I had to google the original image for the one I wanted to save |
| 14:11.46 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: do you change WORLDMAP_WINDOWED_SIZE or WORLDMAP_QUESTLIST_SIZE in Mapster? |
| 14:11.55 | jnwhiteh | since people can still change the size of the map? |
| 14:12.21 | Lulia | jnwhiteh? Did you see where I mentioned how you can change the sorting? |
| 14:12.26 | SqueeG | unfortunate D: |
| 14:12.38 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: no, i miss most things that aren't pinged me me if I'm not sitting right here:P |
| 14:12.51 | Mirrormn_ | SqueeG: just get a DSLR, take a photo of your computer screen, go to Kinko's get that photo printed out on high quality photo paper, buy a scanner, and then scan the photo |
| 14:12.54 | Mirrormn_ | easy peasy |
| 14:13.02 | Lulia | You right+click on the objectives title of Blizzard's objectives tracker |
| 14:13.09 | Lulia | It's very unintuitive :-/ |
| 14:13.11 | SqueeG | lol |
| 14:13.24 | Lulia | Since there's no highlight for a mouseover or anything, nor any indication that there's a menu there |
| 14:14.04 | jnwhiteh | oh i know ho to do that |
| 14:14.07 | jnwhiteh | i meant programatically :P |
| 14:14.19 | Industrial | Can I change the order/numbering of quest POI's? why are those buttons o the map clickable but clicking them doesnt do a thing? if I select one thats #9 why doesn't ie become the first? it's what I'd expect really :S |
| 14:14.35 | Industrial | it keeps resetting to the quest I dont want to do right now |
| 14:14.44 | Lulia | I'm considering doing something to make it more obvious |
| 14:14.54 | Lulia | But I should really finish my first addon first :P |
| 14:15.07 | SqueeG | it's really unfortunate that they don't maike this easier... It'd be nice to maintain the image name or something |
| 14:15.28 | SqueeG | ah well element inspection ftw |
| 14:15.50 | Lulia | I agree, SqueeG, especially since it was so easy in the past |
| 14:16.06 | Lulia | I suppose something must have changed and they weren't comfortable with it anymore |
| 14:16.19 | SqueeG | Indeed. I don't know why they felt the need to make it difficult |
| 14:17.12 | Lulia | Maybe people were taking the images and using them uncredited? |
| 14:18.58 | SqueeG | could be |
| 14:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | Very likely. |
| 14:19.09 | SqueeG | but if people really want to do that, they still will |
| 14:20.11 | Lulia | It denies the least determined offenders |
| 14:20.21 | Lulia | Sort of like locking the door on your car |
| 14:21.18 | dardack | question: some user is saying keybindings for my secure button for druid/shaman shapeshifting isn't working. No one else is complaining and it works for myself and 3 other friends with druids. is there anyway to cast a secure button with a slash command instead of a keybinding? or anything i can do to find out why it's not working for him. Because he's claiming when he resets the keybing... |
| 14:21.20 | dardack | ...it does say MRM Leftkeybinding has been unbound, so I don't understand why it's not working for him |
| 14:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | It shows good faith effort to do the basic minimum to offer protection. |
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| 14:24.18 | Fisker | what should i do Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | Put on some socks, Fisker. |
| 14:25.51 | Fisker | kinky |
| 14:26.27 | Olison | is it |
| 14:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | Well, always wear your socks, Fisker, it is known. |
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| 14:29.29 | jnwhiteh | Its far from perfect, but not a bad first iteration: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/43350dd196bc6435ac230b977ee3d9d5.png |
| 14:29.32 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: ^^ |
| 14:30.15 | Lulia | I like it. :) |
| 14:30.27 | Lulia | Let me know if you want any changes to the image |
| 14:30.50 | jnwhiteh | I shrunk the glow |
| 14:30.53 | jnwhiteh | to 60 pixels |
| 14:30.57 | jnwhiteh | then resized the canvas |
| 14:31.04 | jnwhiteh | there were some gaps |
| 14:31.07 | jnwhiteh | that fixed it :P |
| 14:31.35 | Lulia | It's odd that where would be gaps since I made the glow directly over the image |
| 14:31.45 | jnwhiteh | yeah dunno |
| 14:31.48 | Fisker | i won jnwhiteh |
| 14:35.09 | Lulia | Nobgul: Did you get a chance to test? |
| 14:36.08 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: with text: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ab58bb596d658cfe9a918ab1d84faf1c.png |
| 14:36.18 | Lulia | Neat :) |
| 14:36.20 | Lulia | I like it |
| 14:36.32 | jnwhiteh | I probably need to tweak the size, but that's easy |
| 14:36.55 | Lulia | Yeah, I wasn't sure what size you wanted it, so I went with 64x64 |
| 14:37.08 | jnwhiteh | I'm actually completely unsure why its displaying on the continent map, but I can sort that outnow :P |
| 14:37.10 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: whats that? |
| 14:37.16 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: TomTomLite |
| 14:37.25 | p3lim | looks nice |
| 14:37.32 | jnwhiteh | yeah I'm really happy with how its coming |
| 14:37.36 | jnwhiteh | the code is very happy |
| 14:37.45 | Lulia | Well, if it's displaying on the proper place on the continent map it might not be a bad thing! |
| 14:37.54 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: its not, I don't think :P |
| 14:38.32 | p3lim | reminds me, gotta finish up pMinimap when I get back home |
| 14:39.25 | Lulia | Would be neat if they displayed on the minimap as well! :P |
| 14:39.36 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: are you being serious |
| 14:39.56 | Lulia | >.> |
| 14:40.00 | jnwhiteh | no, are you? |
| 14:40.04 | jnwhiteh | I'm not upset, just want to know |
| 14:40.15 | Lulia | I was, I dont think the default UI does it |
| 14:40.20 | jnwhiteh | it does =) |
| 14:40.20 | Lulia | It just has an arrow on the minimap |
| 14:40.24 | Lulia | oh |
| 14:40.25 | jnwhiteh | for the selected quest |
| 14:40.34 | jnwhiteh | it disappears when its no longer an arrow |
| 14:40.48 | Lulia | Yeah, I meant one of the little google map icons on the point :P |
| 14:40.58 | jnwhiteh | TomTom already does that |
| 14:41.01 | Fisker | hey p3lim |
| 14:41.04 | jnwhiteh | just not with this icon |
| 14:41.10 | jnwhiteh | that's what I'm trying to decide if it needs to be in this addon or not. |
| 14:41.18 | p3lim | hey Fisker |
| 14:41.19 | Lulia | Oh, hmm, I didn't see it |
| 14:41.32 | Lulia | Oh, TomTom does it |
| 14:41.51 | Lulia | Hmm, well, it's not major, but it would be nice. But I don't know if most people would care. |
| 14:42.44 | Lulia | You might consider adding the blizz filtering options to your addon though, just because they're in such an unobvious place |
| 14:42.50 | jnwhiteh | its only an approximation, this is the problem |
| 14:43.08 | Lulia | yeah, probably not worth it then. |
| 14:43.35 | Lulia | When it gives you information on the point, does it also tell you if the quest affects a given area? Sort of like how it displays on the world map with a little blue field |
| 14:43.39 | jnwhiteh | its the 'center' of the icon on the world map |
| 14:43.43 | jnwhiteh | the position I'm using |
| 14:43.47 | jnwhiteh | the blue blob is completely unrelated to that |
| 14:43.53 | jnwhiteh | although placed 'near' it or inside it normally |
| 14:44.17 | Lulia | Right, I was just wondering if there was any way to get that inf |
| 14:44.20 | Lulia | info* |
| 14:44.30 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 14:44.36 | jnwhiteh | the geometry of that blob isn't available |
| 14:44.38 | jnwhiteh | i can draw my own |
| 14:44.45 | Lulia | Well |
| 14:44.46 | jnwhiteh | so I could actually probably figure out how to draw them on the minimap |
| 14:44.50 | jnwhiteh | but that seems like it would be terribly confusing. |
| 14:45.04 | Lulia | Just for purposes of, if I'm in that area, it would be nice for the arrow to disappear or not tell me I'm going the wrong way :P |
| 14:45.19 | jnwhiteh | there's no way to indicate that, unfortunately |
| 14:45.22 | jnwhiteh | I'll probably try to approximate |
| 14:45.25 | Fisker | hey p3lim |
| 14:45.28 | jnwhiteh | so within 30 yards of the given point, the arrow changes |
| 14:45.31 | jnwhiteh | like the orignal TomTom did |
| 14:45.35 | jnwhiteh | I just don't have graphics for any of that yet. |
| 14:45.39 | Lulia | That would be nice :) |
| 14:45.57 | Fisker | my nose is drippy |
| 14:46.49 | Lulia | The arrow makes me wish I did 3D stuff as well, because drawing that out 30 times is going to be a pain :P |
| 14:47.01 | jnwhiteh | well don't worry about it |
| 14:47.04 | jnwhiteh | its not worth it in that case |
| 14:47.06 | jnwhiteh | honestly |
| 14:47.13 | jnwhiteh | I have a graphic that already works properly |
| 14:48.23 | Lulia | A compass graphic could be neat, I could make one of those rather easily |
| 14:48.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm, not sure it's be the same feeling |
| 14:49.41 | Lulia | I think it would be a different but appropriate one. If it was made it would certainly be an optional thing at best, so people who like arrows would still use that. |
| 14:57.24 | Lulia | How odd, Blizzard's objectives panel just closed up on me and the arrow to open it is disabled |
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| 14:57.35 | Lunessa | Staion! |
| 14:57.36 | Cairenn | station |
| 14:57.46 | Adys | Antlion |
| 14:59.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hai to you, Lunessa-thingie. |
| 14:59.56 | Lunessa | o hai! |
| 15:00.19 | Lopeppeppy | I can has cheezeburger? |
| 15:01.36 | Fisker | rages |
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| 15:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Maybe I should give it to Fisker instead, since he has no socks. |
| 15:02.01 | adys_ | Hush Fisker |
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| 15:02.21 | Lunessa | could someone bring me hot coco and a scone? That would be great, thanks. |
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| 15:02.54 | Adys | Gosh, that's bugged. |
| 15:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | My car was frozen shut this morning, it was hilarious trying to force it open. |
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| 15:04.46 | Fisker | why wouldn't i have socks Lopeppeppy ? |
| 15:04.57 | Thunder_Child | my car had ice on it a few mornings ago |
| 15:05.08 | p3lim | Lopeppeppy: use silicone spray on the rubber in the door |
| 15:05.39 | Lopeppeppy | I keep having to remind you to put them on, Fisker. |
| 15:05.57 | p3lim | Thunder_Child: its 30 degrees below zero here, wanna talk ice? :p |
| 15:06.02 | Lopeppeppy | p3lim, with the freezing rain we got overnight, nothing short of a sledgehammer would have helped that. :) But I'll look for some to help for the rest of the winter! |
| 15:06.18 | Thunder_Child | p3lim: yes, but i live in Los Angeles, wtf did the ice come from. |
| 15:06.25 | p3lim | oh :s |
| 15:07.23 | p3lim | thank god for engine heaters :) |
| 15:07.27 | Lunessa | I like winter, except for the chapped lips bit. One of the things i love is when high-wind and freezing over-night coat things with extruded ice. |
| 15:08.03 | p3lim | right now I've got a cold, usually catch one a few times a year due to the temperature |
| 15:08.18 | cogwheel | no you catch them due to viruses |
| 15:08.54 | haste | only -20 here today! |
| 15:08.59 | haste | hoping we won't hit -35C this year |
| 15:09.07 | haste | but right now it looks bad :P |
| 15:09.29 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:09.33 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 15:10.43 | p3lim | haste: I work in construction, so I'm used to working 8-10 hours a day outside in -30 or worse |
| 15:10.46 | p3lim | fun times |
| 15:12.20 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa. My dearest darling soup tureen. You are a freak of nature. |
| 15:12.36 | haste | only the face that gets cold |
| 15:12.38 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Well, a freak at least. *wink* |
| 15:12.38 | haste | hi2u clothes |
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| 15:12.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. My my my. I shivers. |
| 15:12.56 | haste | I still do 1h walks everyday, even with -2C or lower outside |
| 15:13.55 | p3lim | haste: you live further south right? |
| 15:14.01 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Thought this might interest you: http://discovermagazine.com/2010/jun/03-the-insanity-virus/ |
| 15:15.36 | cogwheel | gee thanks |
| 15:15.37 | cogwheel | :P |
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| 15:18.16 | Kraps | Lunessa: tis the season to eat delicious, fattening latkes |
| 15:18.45 | Lunessa | Kraps: Oh yes. And I can get them locally from all sorts of places now. |
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| 15:20.18 | Thunder_Child | meh, to greasy for me |
| 15:20.34 | Thunder_Child | even the homemade ones |
| 15:22.48 | Kraps | Lunessa: whats the pedigree of that website? |
| 15:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | Discover Magazine? |
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| 15:24.29 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 15:25.35 | haste | p3lim: yes, hi2u østfold |
| 15:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | Discovery, National Geographic, History Channel... *shrug* Decent in my book. They at least make you go "hmmm" rather than pouring you the magic koolaid. |
| 15:27.29 | Kraps | like say Popsci? :p |
| 15:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | If they are purveyors of the finest Kool Aid, I'd give them a skip. |
| 15:28.52 | Lunessa | Kraps: They're "Science for the common man" stuff. |
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| 15:30.10 | cogwheel | discover magazine is much better than discovery channel |
| 15:30.27 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 15:30.29 | cogwheel | as far as scientific merit |
| 15:30.38 | cogwheel | discovery is behind ghost hunters |
| 15:30.43 | Fisker | jerk |
| 15:30.47 | cogwheel | off |
| 15:31.23 | Fisker | you mean it? |
| 15:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | Even ghost hunting can make you go "hmm". |
| 15:31.46 | Fisker | why isn't ghost hunting a valid scientific field? |
| 15:31.56 | cogwheel | troll question is troll |
| 15:32.18 | cogwheel | yeah, "hmm... these guys are so braindead they actually think they're investigating something" |
| 15:32.42 | TMc51 | They are investigating something. |
| 15:32.46 | cogwheel | actually they don't... i'm pretty sure they know it's an act |
| 15:32.47 | Fisker | i just watched mythbusters cogwheel |
| 15:32.50 | TMc51 | Figments of their imagination that go bump in the night |
| 15:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | They're at least out there investigating.... something. |
| 15:32.58 | Fisker | and i sounded like they had a "Doctor Trolling" on the show |
| 15:33.00 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Mythbusters is as much an act. |
| 15:33.03 | Fisker | and it* |
| 15:33.13 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: for certain extremely loose definitions of "investigating" |
| 15:33.21 | cogwheel | all they do is run around dark rooms and freak themselves out |
| 15:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | Not all science is hard and pure. Some is a bit on the wishy washy side. *gentle shrug* I may not agree with them, but they're at least out there in the dark rooms doing something. |
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| 15:34.15 | sylvanaar_work | can anyone recommend a video card to replace my 285? |
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| 15:34.31 | TMc51 | GTX 480? |
| 15:34.41 | cogwheel | if they were moving a pile of sand from one corner of a room to another with a pair of tweezers, they'd be doing just as much something... |
| 15:34.56 | cogwheel | as long as they threw in some theatrics here and there |
| 15:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. It's at least something, versus the armchair bandits. |
| 15:35.30 | cogwheel | what they're doing is giving people a false sense of what it really means to investigate |
| 15:35.35 | cogwheel | and creating a culture of gullibility |
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| 15:35.42 | sylvanaar_work | $450 worth it? |
| 15:35.43 | cogwheel | there are other investigators who actually investigate |
| 15:35.59 | Lopeppeppy | So says you. Sometimes the "validity" of an "investigation" is subjective. |
| 15:36.05 | cogwheel | s/creating/playing to/ |
| 15:36.14 | cogwheel | except when it's not... |
| 15:36.14 | TMc51 | Not sure if it's worth it or not. There aren't really many cards more powerful than a 285, and all the ones I know of are about 300+ at least. |
| 15:36.28 | cogwheel | which it absolutely isn't in the case of ghost hunters |
| 15:36.32 | aualin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.34 | cogwheel | there is nothing scientific about what they do |
| 15:36.49 | cogwheel | but i'm late... |
| 15:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | And the decision of when that is, is often subjective too. *shrug* I think this is something that we'll always disagree on. I see grey areas in between X and Y. |
| 15:36.57 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 15:37.03 | Lopeppeppy | With your socks, Fisker? |
| 15:37.10 | TMc51 | i once guy killed a |
| 15:37.31 | Fisker | no Lopeppeppy |
| 15:37.33 | sylvanaar_work | guess ill stick with my 285 for now then. i need to upgrade something its killing me that my hardware is more than a year old |
| 15:37.38 | Fisker | that would be cruel |
| 15:37.43 | aualin | Hm, i have no idea why using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED is called twice for UNIT_DIED for the same unit :/ |
| 15:37.56 | Kraps | Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. |
| 15:38.13 | TMc51 | Get a new SSD, or new monitor. can never have too much storage or screens. |
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| 15:38.33 | sylvanaar_work | thats true |
| 15:40.03 | TMc51 | Actually, forget what I said about never being able to have too many screens. http://www.itechnews.net/2008/05/04/9x-media-ergonomic-multi-monitor-display/ |
| 15:41.03 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: it is indeed a gray area. It's somewhere between "fooling themselves" and "defrauding the public" |
| 15:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Could be. |
| 15:41.23 | cog|away | I've actually looked into what they do, why they do it, how they do it, etc. |
| 15:41.28 | cog|away | i'm not just talking out my ass |
| 15:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | And my refusal to condemn anything out of hand is my refusing to talk out of mine. :) |
| 15:43.13 | Fisker | what do i want to do Lopeppeppy ? |
| 15:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | Eat lunch with me, Fisker? |
| 15:44.00 | Fisker | i'm not sure |
| 15:44.04 | Fisker | that would be very expensive |
| 15:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | No, we can eat via IM. That's pretty cheap, actually. |
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| 15:44.56 | Fisker | no such thing as food over tcp/ip |
| 15:44.57 | Lulia | Do you charge via time increments, Peppy? :P |
| 15:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | Lulia, all good web cam artists do, duh.. :) |
| 15:45.55 | Lulia | hehe |
| 15:46.01 | Fisker | i don't think the word artist is what we're looking for here |
| 15:48.30 | Lulia | virtual escort? |
| 15:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | I don't take 'em anywhere... |
| 15:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | and "artist" is in the eye of the beholder, baby. |
| 15:52.21 | Lulia | That's why I added the word "virtual" |
| 15:52.22 | Lulia | :P |
| 15:54.25 | Lulia | I'm reminded of Collossi when I see Fen Striders |
| 15:54.28 | Lulia | Colossi*? |
| 15:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | What type of colossuseses? |
| 15:55.09 | Lulia | SC2 |
| 15:55.20 | Mirrormn | Colossi are beasty |
| 15:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Haven't really gotten a look at them, but it wouldn't surprise me all that much. |
| 15:56.09 | Lulia | http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080115053421/wowwiki/images/thumb/c/c7/Fen_Strider.jpg/179px-Fen_Strider.jpg |
| 15:56.36 | Lulia | http://sc2.secretproguides.com/images/Colossus_SC2_Game2.png |
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| 16:05.31 | Kraps | well draenei are protoss and BC was when the draenei so... |
| 16:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | so... |
| 16:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | small world of models |
| 16:06.40 | Kraps | after all |
| 16:06.42 | Fisker | aww |
| 16:07.06 | Fisker | http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/efi19.jpg |
| 16:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Autobots roll out? |
| 16:10.45 | Fisker | "When cpu been burned" |
| 16:10.46 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 16:11.20 | TC-Work | no Fisker, no |
| 16:11.34 | Fisker | burn TC-Work |
| 16:11.34 | Fisker | burn |
| 16:11.42 | TC-Work | already there |
| 16:11.47 | Fisker | THE WORLD SHALL BURN |
| 16:11.59 | Kraps | Bashiok is very srs http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1195679742?page=3#57 |
| 16:12.11 | Kraps | Fisker: too late noob |
| 16:12.16 | Fisker | bashiok is never srs |
| 16:12.43 | Kraps | usually he isnt |
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| 16:13.00 | Kraps | hes pretty insane usually |
| 16:13.11 | TMc51 | I thought he was always insane. |
| 16:14.49 | TC-Work | *sigh* WTB D3 |
| 16:15.46 | Nobgul | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+9800+GT+1GB+GDDR3+PCI+Express+Graphics+Card/8968094.p?id=1218006355798&skuId=8968094&st=video%20card&cp=1&lp=5 <----- good card? |
| 16:16.16 | pompy1 | 9 series is old |
| 16:16.33 | aualin | Is COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED supposed to be called twice on death of the same unit? |
| 16:16.40 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: i guess i'm a bit confused... I don't see how on the one hand, you claim not to have enough info to form an opinion, yet you're perfectly willing to disparage the fact that I've reached one... I know you have a problem with "armchair ____" but I'm actually active in a local skeptics group and we spend a lot of time taling about issues like this and trying to educate people on how science is perverted in popular me |
| 16:16.41 | Nobgul | To old for the price you think? |
| 16:16.48 | Nobgul | Video Card: (nVidia GeForce 6600) ¤ Sound Card: (USB Audio Device) |
| 16:16.54 | Nobgul | im using a real old card. |
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| 16:17.13 | Lulia | Hey, Nobgul, will you let me know when you test out the changes? |
| 16:17.28 | Nobgul | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Galaxy+-+NVIDIA+GeForce+GT240+1GB+PCI+Express+Graphics+Card/9715834.p?id=1218172864731&skuId=9715834&st=video%20card&cp=2&lp=5 <----? |
| 16:17.36 | TMc51 | Nobgul: whats your budget for a video card? |
| 16:17.39 | pompy1 | $125.. u could prolly get a gt2xx or 3xx for ariound that price |
| 16:17.54 | Nobgul | pompy1 the one i just linked is a gt240 |
| 16:18.10 | pompy1 | yeah thats nice, i have a gt220 |
| 16:18.21 | Nobgul | TMc51, Less then 150.00 And i have to go to that store, So i would like to get it here. |
| 16:18.51 | cogwheel | i'm all for withholding judgement until you get more information, but judging others' judgment is just as judgemental |
| 16:19.13 | Fisker | i get it cogwheel |
| 16:19.13 | TMc51 | Alright, one sec I'll look and see if there's anything I can find there that's better in your range. |
| 16:19.31 | cogwheel | Fisker: what, the "perverted" part? |
| 16:19.46 | Nobgul | ty TMc51. |
| 16:20.06 | Nobgul | I may get ram as well . |
| 16:20.24 | TMc51 | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+ATI+Radeon+HD+5750+1GB+GDDR5+PCI+Express+Graphics+Card/9748922.p?id=1218166511483&skuId=9748922 5750 would be almost double the power for the same price range |
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| 16:20.35 | Lunessa | " will see them here bright and early on the 7th, saying it's all too difficult. But people learn, they get used to new concepts, the world keeps rolling, and I get to enjoy a delicious donut. " Bashiok |
| 16:21.09 | TMc51 | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+GeForce+GTS+450+1GB+GDDR5+PCI+Express+2.0+Graphics+Card/1592384.p?id=1218270600473&skuId=1592384 or gts450 is you prefer nvidia over ati. they perform on par with the 5700 series, dont need much power, and would destroy the gt200 series no hands down |
| 16:21.58 | Nobgul | I prefer nvidia, but in the long run its all about getting rid of my current card |
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| 16:22.21 | TMc51 | if they dont have the exact models at the same store, they should have similar, and in similar price ranges. most best buy stores tend to, at least. |
| 16:22.21 | Fisker | idk cogwheel |
| 16:22.26 | Fisker | i just wanted to be part of the group :( |
| 16:22.35 | Aelobin | what are those functions to get an image file's height/width? :) |
| 16:23.14 | aualin | Is COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED supposed to be called twice on death of the same unit (with arg2 set to UNIT_DIED)? |
| 16:23.33 | TMc51 | I dont think they show them online, but in-store at local best buys near me, they sell the actual nvidia branded cards, typically for a little less than the 3rd party ones, like from evga or asus. |
| 16:23.47 | Lunessa | I'm judging you cogwheel! |
| 16:24.04 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 16:24.30 | Nobgul | I am using a decent pc. I think my wow issues are due to the vid card |
| 16:24.41 | Nobgul | Memory Usage: (Usage: 421/2048MB (20.56%)) ¤ (||||||||||----------------------------------------) |
| 16:24.53 | Nobgul | Accually have 3 gigs |
| 16:25.00 | Nobgul | CPU Info: (4 CPU's - AMD Phenom 9500 Quad-Core Processor, 2.21 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (1% Load)) |
| 16:25.15 | TMc51 | yeah, if you're having issue with that, video card is likely culprit. |
| 16:25.26 | Nobgul | I would think that the processor and the ram is good just the video card is why wow has low fps and i have to run on low settings |
| 16:25.47 | TMc51 | usually wow tends to be more cpu and ram bound, but I noticed a huge difference coming from my old card to my current one last summer. |
| 16:25.54 | Fisker | lol amd |
| 16:26.05 | Nobgul | YEa mean the 6600 is old and only 256 megs |
| 16:26.45 | TMc51 | Watch your tongue fusker. Once AMD gets their bulldozer procs out, Intel is getting a run for their money mid next year. |
| 16:26.51 | TMc51 | *fisker |
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| 16:27.45 | TMc51 | Heck, at least I hope so. Intel needs a good boot in the rear. WTB heated competition between the two in all price-points. |
| 16:28.05 | [2]nudave | battery life is about 30 minutes, but....who uses a laptop not plugged and games anymore? |
| 16:28.27 | Nobgul | TMc51, You think i should get new ram while i am at it? |
| 16:28.43 | TMc51 | It probably wouldnt matter too much. |
| 16:29.06 | TMc51 | Unless you find yourself using just about all of it regularly, I doubt it would make much a difference. |
| 16:29.29 | Nobgul | Naw. even with wow up i prob use 1.5 of the 3 gigs. |
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| 16:30.26 | Nobgul | Aight I am going to Go shopping. And pick it up. |
| 16:30.40 | TMc51 | Total 4094 Cached 1450 Available 1493 Free 71 Typically my normal usage. |
| 16:30.54 | aualin | Is COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED supposed to be called twice on death of the same unit (with arg2 set to UNIT_DIED)? |
| 16:31.37 | Nobgul | Aight ill be back, I gotta check my mobo and see what type of slots it has anyway. I think i got the pci express slot |
| 16:32.15 | TMc51 | if it doesn't, you're stuck with the same card most likely, since I dont thinj anybody carries AGP anymore. |
| 16:32.45 | TMc51 | aualin: What do you mean should it be called twice? |
| 16:32.59 | Fisker | moo: ram: 4165/12279.1MB (33.92%) [|||-------] |
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| 16:33.22 | aualin | TMc51: Everytime a unit dies, it gets called twice for the same event |
| 16:34.34 | TMc51 | I don't think it should be doing that normally. Are you registering it twice n your code, or something? |
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| 16:35.26 | Fisker | so |
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| 16:35.34 | TMc51 | os |
| 16:35.37 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 16:35.45 | TMc51 | ohaithar |
| 16:36.25 | aualin | TMc51: http://pastie.org/1341789 |
| 16:36.32 | jnwhiteh | its simple |
| 16:36.35 | jnwhiteh | run /eventtrace |
| 16:36.37 | jnwhiteh | kill something |
| 16:36.42 | jnwhiteh | if it shows twice there, then it fires twice |
| 16:36.46 | jnwhiteh | if not, its an issue with your code =) |
| 16:36.53 | aualin | jnwhiteh: It doesn't fire at all |
| 16:37.05 | jnwhiteh | that's just not true.. |
| 16:37.05 | Nobgul | TMc51, You still around? |
| 16:37.09 | TMc51 | yeah |
| 16:37.12 | Nobgul | http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/Shared/4006254R/4006254Rsp2.shtml <-- |
| 16:37.30 | Nobgul | If you wouldnt mind looking |
| 16:37.42 | aualin | Oh, now it fired |
| 16:38.01 | TMc51 | Oh, shouldn't be an issue upgrading it then. But then again, with what you said the processor was, it should've been obvious it would be PCI-Express. >.< |
| 16:38.06 | angayelle | i want to make my frame to stick to the cursor, i know i can use GetCursorPosition() and place my frame using Frame:SetPoint but i saw in another addon something related to UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() |
| 16:38.23 | angayelle | would the UI scale change something with coordinates ? |
| 16:38.23 | jnwhiteh | aualin: it fires, and as far as I can see it fires exactly once |
| 16:38.29 | jnwhiteh | the combat log isn't encumbered by unit ids |
| 16:38.29 | Nobgul | TMc51, Yea. =P it's like a hour drive to the closest best buy , I dont wanna mke 2 trips lol |
| 16:38.33 | jnwhiteh | that's why it uses guids |
| 16:38.50 | aualin | jnwhiteh: Fires only once :/ |
| 16:38.55 | jnwhiteh | yes, as it should |
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| 16:39.13 | aualin | But my code fires twice, no idea why that's happening :S |
| 16:39.20 | jnwhiteh | don't make it complicated |
| 16:39.22 | jnwhiteh | make it simple |
| 16:39.25 | jnwhiteh | get rid of the event dispatch |
| 16:39.49 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: Any plans to maybe do something with the distance text to make it different as you get closer to the destination? |
| 16:40.05 | jnwhiteh | possibly.. no plans at the moment |
| 16:40.14 | jnwhiteh | there's a few options for how I can indicate someone is close to their waypoint |
| 16:40.15 | aualin | jnwhiteh: In reality i got several events on that frame, but i just felt like that was unneccesary to include |
| 16:40.29 | jnwhiteh | aualin: well your code is what's wrong in this case :P |
| 16:40.47 | jnwhiteh | and you haven't shown us all of it |
| 16:41.11 | aualin | I'll ponder more on this. |
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| 16:46.34 | Fisker | i once killed a guy :( |
| 16:47.09 | Lopeppeppy | Again? Or still? |
| 16:47.09 | cogwheel | i don't think these words mean what you think they mean |
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| 16:50.16 | Fisker | still Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:01.04 | Fisker | ooh |
| 17:01.08 | Fisker | another cataclysm invite |
| 17:01.17 | haste | at least! |
| 17:01.21 | haste | s/e// |
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| 17:02.25 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5704249/nasa-discovers-alien-life-in-california |
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| 17:04.39 | Fisker | i once Krapsed a guy |
| 17:05.13 | durcyn | in germany |
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| 17:18.22 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 17:18.25 | Fisker | i want sandy bridge |
| 17:18.36 | durcyn | you don't want sandy bridge |
| 17:21.38 | Fisker | i want sandy bridge |
| 17:21.40 | Fisker | for when cpu burned |
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| 17:24.51 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:24.57 | Fisker | where can i find my giant furious pike? |
| 17:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 17:25.47 | Fisker | it's a quest :( |
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| 17:28.08 | Torhal | Fisker: airtonix wants his lube back. |
| 17:31.39 | Fisker | i hate integrated flash player in GEWGLE KRÃ
M |
| 17:31.44 | Fisker | i can't get 10.2 beta :( |
| 17:34.02 | Arrowmaster | 10.2 beta isnt that great |
| 17:34.08 | Arrowmaster | some sites dont work with it |
| 17:35.10 | durcyn | you know what's even better, is disabling flash forever |
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| 17:41.45 | sylvanaar | ^ |
| 17:43.25 | Fisker | naw durcyn |
| 17:43.28 | Fisker | flash is awesome |
| 17:44.44 | Mirrormn | that's super cool until you encounter some content that you actually want that is only available in flash |
| 17:45.02 | sylvanaar | i hate that |
| 17:45.12 | Fisker | get a device that supports flash |
| 17:45.19 | Fisker | instead of being huge apple cocksuckers |
| 17:45.19 | sylvanaar | i have flash uninstalled most of the time |
| 17:45.55 | Mirrormn | I'd like to suck your apple, Fisker |
| 17:46.05 | Fisker | i don't have one |
| 17:46.23 | Mirrormn | then I will find one of my own |
| 17:48.14 | durcyn | i use chrome, Fisker, with flash disabled. |
| 17:48.29 | durcyn | if something wants to use it, i flip them the bird and close the tab |
| 17:48.42 | Fisker | QQ more |
| 17:48.59 | sylvanaar | troll more |
| 17:49.29 | Fisker | usually i would, but there's no reason to |
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| 17:51.54 | sylvanaar | you are my idol |
| 17:53.25 | Fisker | i won't recognize that |
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| 17:59.59 | Utriel | hello |
| 18:00.01 | Utriel | world |
| 18:00.47 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 18:00.49 | cogwheel | individual |
| 18:02.08 | Utriel | I have a newbie question, can't find the way to properly hide blizzard paladin power bar |
| 18:02.56 | cogwheel | what have you tried and how has it failed? |
| 18:03.06 | Utriel | I can hide it with /script ingame, but I want it to be done via lua, when game loads with my addon for holypower ( |
| 18:03.43 | Lunessa | Have folks seen this? http://buythissatellite.org/ |
| 18:03.48 | cogwheel | Blizzard's code will try to re-show it every time the ui is loaded. you need to either disable it from showing or you need to find out when it shows and then hide it again afterwards |
| 18:03.59 | cogwheel | when in doubt look at their code |
| 18:04.06 | durcyn | it's been making the rounds, Lunessa. cool idea. |
| 18:04.25 | Utriel | I've read on wiki that you need to block all the OnLoad events |
| 18:04.27 | Lunessa | It is a cool idea. |
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| 18:04.38 | syrae | I am so happy! my heater at home is actually working again! It's like.. WARM in my house! |
| 18:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | heat is goooood |
| 18:04.54 | durcyn | crowdsourced philanthropy goes a small way to restoring some of my faith in humanity |
| 18:04.55 | syrae | heat is very good |
| 18:05.03 | cogwheel | Utriel: maybe give it a blank OnShow |
| 18:05.15 | syrae | Heat also makes my heater stop running all the time trying to warm the place up |
| 18:05.20 | cogwheel | s/OnShow/:Show method/ |
| 18:05.27 | durcyn | of course it's completely offset by people like sarah palin spewing their hateful shit ten minutes later, but whatever. |
| 18:06.16 | syrae | durcyn: obviously the solution is to recant your human heritage and emigrate to Mars |
| 18:07.22 | mikma | fisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/how_to_troll.jpg |
| 18:07.27 | durcyn | syrae: where do I sign up? |
| 18:08.06 | Lunessa | durcyn: Get your own goddamned planet. Mars is mine. |
| 18:08.13 | syrae | durcyn: why, I happen to be an official Martian Immigration Officer! Just sign these papers out and give me $5,000 US. |
| 18:09.17 | Fisker | trolling is a art mikma |
| 18:09.21 | durcyn | seriously, though, all this talk about how to send a manned mission to mars, and they're worried it's not feasible because they couldn't make the return trip |
| 18:09.30 | angayelle | utriel, if you can use it with script then you just have to put the exact same line without the /script somewhere in you code |
| 18:10.04 | syrae | durcyn: yeah. I saw that. I think I agree with the people who said that there's plenty of people who wouldn't WANT to return |
| 18:10.08 | durcyn | there are endless scifi geeks that would jump at the chance to die on another planet |
| 18:10.12 | syrae | heh |
| 18:10.19 | durcyn | plus they'd be removing themselves from the gene pool, so |
| 18:10.44 | syrae | I enjoy trees and fresh water and air too much, personally |
| 18:10.50 | Fisker | once they solve interplanetary communication i wouldn't go there |
| 18:10.54 | Fisker | until* |
| 18:11.05 | Lunessa | I don't want to be removed from the gene pool until I've muddied the waters a lot more. youknowwhatimsayin |
| 18:11.15 | syrae | Fisker: that's only because you want to be able to download porn in space |
| 18:11.28 | ronghail | do buff foods and other food/drink go under consumable Food & Drink? is there some easy way to tell them apart without keeping a table of known buff food? I want to add food to a gray autosell addon |
| 18:11.44 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.57 | durcyn | i mean, how else would you do interplanetary TLDs |
| 18:11.58 | syrae | ronghail: you could always parse the tooltips to see if they provide any buffs |
| 18:12.04 | ronghail | ok |
| 18:12.07 | Fisker | and play wow syrae |
| 18:12.12 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:12.23 | syrae | Fisker: by the time you get to Mars, there'll be something better than WoW |
| 18:12.25 | Fisker | x@x.com.earth |
| 18:12.30 | Fisker | or x@x.com.mars |
| 18:12.41 | Fisker | Yeah Titan syrae |
| 18:12.43 | syrae | like WoW 2.0: The Reckoning. |
| 18:12.50 | syrae | pfft |
| 18:12.51 | Fisker | maybe even that |
| 18:13.00 | syrae | screw Titan. You won't want to play that |
| 18:13.03 | syrae | it's a sci-fi game |
| 18:13.12 | syrae | playing sci-fi game in space? |
| 18:13.19 | Fisker | i wish for a proper sci-fi mmo |
| 18:13.44 | syrae | now, that I'll agree with |
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| 18:15.22 | durcyn | did you ever play tabula rasa, Fisker |
| 18:15.25 | durcyn | i think you would've hated it |
| 18:15.42 | Fisker | i did for a like half an hour |
| 18:17.55 | Shirik | Cide |
| 18:17.56 | Shirik | python is evil |
| 18:18.15 | Shirik | IsQuestionFinisher = [ lambda w: w[-2:] == 'es' ] |
| 18:18.19 | Shirik | my code is turning into perl |
| 18:18.57 | syrae | lambdas are evil |
| 18:19.17 | Shirik | ~weather kpdx |
| 18:19.22 | syrae | or rather, very useful constructs in certain situations that significantly decrease the readability of the code |
| 18:19.44 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 18:22.29 | sylvanaar_work | lamdas are fun at parties |
| 18:22.45 | sylvanaar_work | s/md/mbd/ |
| 18:24.39 | durcyn | i read that as 'labia' |
| 18:25.11 | syrae | I read that as "lambs" and then I wondered if he was Scottish or from New Zealand..... |
| 18:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | What, haggis, where? |
| 18:25.28 | syrae | heh |
| 18:25.38 | Fisker | you wish durcyn |
| 18:25.41 | sylvanaar_work | Llamas are also fun at parties |
| 18:25.54 | syrae | as are bananas |
| 18:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | and rolls of quarters |
| 18:27.03 | angayelle | llamas remind me of winamp |
| 18:27.46 | sylvanaar_work | bananas foster children |
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| 18:30.38 | aualin | Oh man, i feel so stupid. All the weird bugs i have been having were because i accidentally included the file twice |
| 18:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | I could see how that would be somewhat bug inducing. |
| 18:31.38 | Cide | Shirik: why would you do that? |
| 18:31.47 | Shirik | It's what I need |
| 18:31.50 | Cide | Shirik: and that code isn't very evil |
| 18:31.54 | Fisker | i once killed a Shirik |
| 18:31.56 | Cide | just... strange |
| 18:38.43 | syrae | ahhhh music. drown out the sounds of the workplace: The speakerphone meetings, the Bollywood soundtrack playing a bit too loudly, the coworker chewing gum loudly. |
| 18:39.40 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously wish I could listen to music... It's the one thing I desperately lack in this place. |
| 18:39.56 | syrae | Mine is via MP3 player and headphones |
| 18:40.58 | Lopeppeppy | I can't wear headphones, and no matter how low I turn it, the grand boss can hear it through the paper mache walls. Is tragic. |
| 18:41.12 | durcyn | buy him earplugs. |
| 18:41.26 | durcyn | or, deafen him with icepicks. |
| 18:41.44 | TMc51 | Cut his ears off, and make a necklace with them. |
| 18:41.56 | syrae | or turn them in for rep |
| 18:42.41 | TMc51 | Nah, he's need 10 at a time, and the respawn rate is awful. |
| 18:43.06 | Fisker | into the Shirik |
| 18:43.28 | syrae | I heard there's a bug though... if you feed him radioactive waste, there's a chance he'll drop more than two and/or the respawn rate will increase. |
| 18:43.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, then I'd have 5 annoying Grand Bosses at once! |
| 18:44.17 | Lopeppeppy | I can't tank that many, I'd wipe horribly, all the rogues would Vanish and the paladins would bubblehearth. |
| 18:44.30 | syrae | :) |
| 18:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, right, my paladin DID bubblehearth, he's away at his second interview today for a job in another freakin' STATE!!!!! |
| 18:45.26 | syrae | heh |
| 18:45.53 | syrae | my job interview is tomorrow evening. I don't expect to get the job, but hopefully my interviewing skill will increase |
| 18:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | There you go -- always look on the bright side of death. |
| 18:49.03 | syrae | I started by listening to "I Can't Decide by Scissor Sisters" because it was stuck in my head |
| 18:49.19 | syrae | also, fail on quotes. Oh well. |
| 18:49.34 | syrae | I guess getting 1/2 my normal sleep for the last half a week will do that |
| 18:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | sleep is for the weak. the sane, well-adjusted weak. but the weak, nevertheless. |
| 18:50.57 | syrae | I am... not so good with sleep deprivation. On the plus side, I have wiped our raids in amazing ways. People say I act like I'm completely drunk. |
| 18:51.18 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 18:51.40 | syrae | They don't let me raid tired any more |
| 18:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | They used to encourage me to sign up when I had a cold, because apparently DayQuil Peppy is a riot on a raid. |
| 18:56.12 | syrae | Well, let's just say that playing in the lava vortexes in Obsidium Sanctum before we cleared any trash and then saying Hi to Sarth in mid-air... was fun. Then the lack of judgement on pulling one of the dragons why we were running past because someone paid me 50g to MD it onto one of the rogues.... |
| 18:56.40 | syrae | "Ahh!! How did I pull that?!?" |
| 18:56.51 | syrae | "Must be a stealth bug" |
| 18:57.09 | syrae | *wipe* |
| 18:58.35 | Fisker | slaps syrae around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:58.51 | syrae | Fisker: are you coming on to me? |
| 18:59.19 | syrae | because that is HAWT |
| 18:59.34 | Adys | Dammit |
| 19:00.29 | Adys | I hate speaking french :(. My guildmate is at uni saying in gchat "I have a 10 minute oral in a bit, really not looking forward to it", and making a pun on that doesnt work in french. |
| 19:00.52 | syrae | haha |
| 19:02.08 | Fisker | yes syrae |
| 19:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | Get a room, Fisker, don't be cheap! |
| 19:02.25 | syrae | haha |
| 19:03.49 | Fisker | btw |
| 19:03.56 | Fisker | i saw a company calll Dam hax |
| 19:03.58 | Fisker | hoho |
| 19:04.25 | syrae | wait, type that again, and this time don't use your face |
| 19:04.32 | Dagmar | Dear god, this woman working for NASA has just freaking *no* speaking skills |
| 19:05.05 | Dagmar | We're on three digressions and counting |
| 19:05.12 | syrae | heh |
| 19:05.24 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 19:06.14 | Dagmar | syrae: The sad thing is that I understand all the crap she's talking about, but she's so busy patting herself on the back she's yet to say anything that would seem to be of interest to ANYONE, let alone be worth winding up the media for two days over |
| 19:06.24 | syrae | :-\ |
| 19:06.28 | Dagmar | They'd better have found fucking aliens, and they'd better be _cute, pocket-sized aliens_ |
| 19:07.00 | Yssaril | Dagmar: naw just suposed non carbon based life here on earth |
| 19:07.03 | Fisker | they found aliens like 60 years ago Dagmar |
| 19:07.04 | syrae | based on ye rumors, it sounds like arsenic based life |
| 19:07.19 | Lulia | What's going on? |
| 19:07.24 | Kraps | Fisker: no, aliens found us |
| 19:07.26 | Fisker | nasa is trolling |
| 19:07.31 | syrae | Lulia: NASA is having a big news conference |
| 19:07.36 | Lulia | I want to see them trolling, where? |
| 19:07.50 | Fisker | s/having a big news conference/trolling/ |
| 19:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | apple wound everyone up for days to say that the Beatles were on iTunes. |
| 19:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | Monumental news just isn't, lately |
| 19:08.15 | Fisker | btw sylvanaar |
| 19:08.21 | Lulia | Most retarded announcement ever |
| 19:08.26 | Fisker | why would someone sell an iphone and replace it with an ipad? |
| 19:08.46 | cbreak | Fisker: anoyed by phone bills but not by iOS? |
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| 19:08.56 | Fisker | can't you call with the ipad? |
| 19:08.59 | Yssaril | Lulia: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/astrobiology_toxic_chemical.html |
| 19:09.00 | cbreak | no |
| 19:09.04 | Fisker | haha what |
| 19:09.07 | durcyn | only with voip |
| 19:09.08 | cbreak | most iPads don't even have a cellular modem |
| 19:09.19 | Fisker | i knew there was a wifi only version |
| 19:09.21 | durcyn | what made you think it was a phone, are you daft |
| 19:09.24 | cbreak | those that do only support data afaik. I never put a sim into mine |
| 19:09.47 | Fisker | why remove a feature for no reason durcyn ? |
| 19:10.07 | cbreak | those without cellular modem are cheaper. |
| 19:10.16 | Fisker | sure |
| 19:10.19 | Fisker | but if you got one with |
| 19:10.24 | durcyn | it's not a removal of a feature |
| 19:10.33 | Fisker | I would be pretty pissed if they decided i didn't want to call using the ipad |
| 19:10.36 | durcyn | why am i even talking to you |
| 19:10.41 | durcyn | you're such a fucking troll |
| 19:10.59 | Fisker | since it's the same operating system it is removal of a feature |
| 19:11.04 | cbreak | no |
| 19:11.11 | cbreak | the iPad never had that feature |
| 19:11.15 | Lulia | Thanks, Yssaril |
| 19:11.18 | Fisker | iOS did |
| 19:11.20 | cbreak | you can only remove things that are there |
| 19:11.24 | Fisker | and ipad could easily support it |
| 19:11.31 | Fisker | so yes it was removed |
| 19:11.35 | cbreak | the phone stuff was just an app |
| 19:11.52 | cbreak | it's not bundled with iPads or iPod Touch things |
| 19:11.57 | durcyn | cbreak: you gettin' trolled |
| 19:12.00 | cbreak | only with iPhones |
| 19:12.06 | Fisker | actually i'm getting trolled durcyn |
| 19:12.08 | cbreak | durcyn: can't help it |
| 19:12.17 | Fisker | since obviously you're discussing a moot point |
| 19:12.58 | Fisker | whether you want to call it a removed feature or a feature not included, it doesn't change the fact that it could be included, and it's stupid that it's not |
| 19:14.27 | aualin | I don't know why, but seeing my frame recycling code telling me it just used an old frame makes me feel good |
| 19:14.47 | angayelle | nothing is stupid fisker, it hasn't been put there by design |
| 19:14.48 | cbreak | aualin: mine's less noisy :) |
| 19:14.56 | angayelle | they didn't want you to have it |
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| 19:15.12 | aualin | cbreak: Then you don't get to feel good :) |
| 19:15.45 | cbreak | oh. I feel good knowing that I saved at least 100 CPU cycles on not writing stuff to the console. |
| 19:15.59 | aualin | Oh |
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| 19:16.15 | aualin | I bet it's up in the thousands of cycles |
| 19:17.12 | Fisker | angayelle obviously it's by design, but that doesn't tell anything about the validity of the design |
| 19:17.17 | Lunessa | so fisker, your're also upset that the ipad doesn't have a camera like the iphone? |
| 19:17.54 | Fisker | no Lunessa, but i would be upset if it had a camera but no way to take pictures |
| 19:18.20 | Lunessa | So you're ticked that it has 3g, but can't make calls. got it. |
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| 19:19.02 | durcyn | all tablets need cellular basebands, this should be obvious. |
| 19:19.04 | Fisker | well i can't really be upset since i wouldn't get an ipad anyway |
| 19:19.11 | durcyn | let's drive up the price for something that'll never be used |
| 19:19.34 | Fisker | they don't need features to drive up the prices anyway durcyn |
| 19:19.36 | Lunessa | I have a wifi only ipad. It's very handy for stuff. |
| 19:19.51 | foxlit | qq @ ENN going biweekly :( |
| 19:20.06 | aualin | I seriously fail to see the point in having a slow screen with no keyboard |
| 19:20.11 | angayelle | handling a ipad against my head to answer phonecall would have been fun |
| 19:20.16 | Fisker | i wasn't actually saying the ipad was shitty because it was missing a call feature |
| 19:20.17 | foxlit | [and not extra credits :/] |
| 19:20.22 | Fisker | i just find it silly that it doesn't have it |
| 19:20.26 | Fisker | especially when it could |
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| 19:20.46 | Lopeppeppy | But I could have gills, and I don't. |
| 19:20.55 | Fisker | i could make some |
| 19:20.57 | cbreak | there are many many devices that have celular modems but no support for voice calls |
| 19:20.59 | Fisker | for free |
| 19:21.07 | aualin | I would like a Nokia N900, or whatever they are making now |
| 19:21.28 | cbreak | the iPad, various car tracking systems, things like the Kindle |
| 19:21.34 | angayelle | going back home, later people |
| 19:21.43 | cbreak | USB Cellular Modems for pluging into computers |
| 19:22.08 | cbreak | Cell to WLan converter boxes like a MiFi |
| 19:22.19 | cbreak | there are a lot of things you must hate :) |
| 19:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/gamestring-demos-its-streaming-custom-world-of-warcraft-ui-by-r/ |
| 19:22.35 | cbreak | by r? |
| 19:22.38 | cbreak | who's r? |
| 19:22.48 | foxlit | aiding on an HTC Desire (video) |
| 19:22.56 | Fisker | just cut off |
| 19:22.57 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 19:23.44 | Shirik | Cide |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik | what did you want yesterday? |
| 19:23.57 | durcyn | Shirik |
| 19:24.00 | durcyn | can you ban Fisker |
| 19:24.08 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:24.18 | Fisker | durcyn is emad |
| 19:24.23 | Fisker | because his etrolling failed |
| 19:24.23 | Shirik | emad? |
| 19:24.32 | durcyn | is that a no |
| 19:24.43 | Fisker | you know how you put e infront of stuff to make it from the internet |
| 19:24.49 | Shirik | ok |
| 19:24.53 | Shirik | I'm sorry |
| 19:24.54 | Shirik | eok |
| 19:24.58 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:26.35 | Dagmar | I put a :// after it |
| 19:26.55 | Cide | Shirik: nothing in particular to be honest! |
| 19:27.02 | Fisker | trolling://durcyn |
| 19:27.03 | Fisker | i like |
| 19:27.15 | durcyn | ~fisker++ |
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| 19:35.37 | Nobgul | I are back |
| 19:35.53 | Fisker | did they ever get to the aliens at nasa? |
| 19:36.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:36.05 | Fisker | it was just that arsenic lifeforms |
| 19:36.15 | durcyn | still just a bacteria that used slightly different elements to construct DNA, they haven't found your people yet. |
| 19:36.33 | Fisker | i wish they had |
| 19:36.57 | Nobgul | TMc51, You around |
| 19:38.43 | aualin | Do you guys consider code like this ugly? (reason and (false or reason.." ")) or "" |
| 19:39.36 | Nobgul | Not ugly prog just not efficient |
| 19:39.42 | Nobgul | err |
| 19:39.46 | Dagmar | wrong is what I'd call it |
| 19:39.51 | Nobgul | ~dictonary efficent |
| 19:40.07 | Nobgul | Brb gotta restart for the new drivers weeeeeee |
| 19:40.11 | olafski | "false or reason" is the same as "reason" isn't it? :s |
| 19:40.23 | Dagmar | olafski: Yes |
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| 19:40.53 | aualin | Basically, if reason evaluates to true it will return reason and add a space to the end of it |
| 19:41.06 | aualin | If reason does not evaluate to true, it returns an empty string |
| 19:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Rob say Code Monkey very diligent, but his output stink. His code not functional or elegant, what do Code Monkey think? |
| 19:41.52 | aualin | I think i am really stuck in writing code like this :( |
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| 19:43.01 | cbreak | former haskel programmer? |
| 19:43.07 | cbreak | or maybe prolog? |
| 19:43.16 | aualin | Haven't tried either |
| 19:43.38 | cbreak | you should read up on the new innovation called "procedural programming". |
| 19:44.07 | cbreak | it's a subset of the so called "imperative programming". there are all kinds of flow control instructions such as "if then" |
| 19:44.30 | aualin | Sounds very fancy |
| 19:45.19 | Lunessa | as long as it's not "DO UNTIL" |
| 19:45.39 | cbreak | I think lua has that too |
| 19:46.15 | foxlit | "The worldwide Haskell community met up over beers today to celebrate their unprecedented discovery of an industry programmer who gives a shit about Haskell." |
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| 19:46.50 | Lunessa | well it has similar. But I got enough of DO UNTIL with older languages. |
| 19:47.18 | foxlit | wtb deferred-test for? |
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| 19:48.11 | cbreak | why not use while? |
| 19:48.36 | foxlit | I think you mean "why not use do" |
| 19:48.59 | Adys | Why not use a gun while you're at it? |
| 19:49.03 | foxlit | [or, in Lua's case, repeat] |
| 19:49.12 | cbreak | guns are lame. |
| 19:49.17 | Lunessa | Though the DO UNTIL construct has lead to some funny moment is reading source code. |
| 19:49.39 | cbreak | in lua, do is for block scoping |
| 19:49.43 | cbreak | not for loops :) |
| 19:49.55 | Lunessa | Like the DO OralSex UNTIL Orgasm bit I saw in a city accounting system. |
| 19:49.56 | foxlit | do {} while(); :P |
| 19:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, recipe for a broken jaw, there. |
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| 19:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Do-while seems a so much more happy handling. |
| 19:53.39 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 19:53.43 | Shirik | #define UNTIL while |
| 19:53.50 | Shirik | or maybe |
| 19:53.56 | Shirik | #define UNTIL(x) while(!(x)) |
| 19:54.24 | Lunessa | Shirik: I know, I know, I know. |
| 19:54.36 | cbreak | bad style |
| 19:55.06 | Nobgul | this new vid card is awesome |
| 19:55.08 | cbreak | almost as bad as the braindead windows programmers that are stupid enough to make a macro "max" |
| 19:55.13 | Shirik | also, Lunessa: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Elegant-Syntax-Error.aspx |
| 19:55.16 | foxlit | bad, Shirik, bad. |
| 19:55.20 | cbreak | in windows.h no less |
| 19:55.21 | Nobgul | Video Card: (nVidia GeForce GTS 450) ¤ Sound Card: (NVIDIA High Definition Audio) |
| 19:56.18 | Nobgul | 50 fps on ultra. |
| 19:56.22 | Jamash | #define private public |
| 19:56.50 | Jamash | I do like "whilst" though |
| 19:57.57 | Lunessa | Shirik: There's a reason I'm not programming professionally now. I have low tolerance for people. :P |
| 19:57.59 | Shirik | I do like how one of the Windows standard includes has a #define on new |
| 19:58.09 | Jamash | #define new old |
| 19:58.11 | Shirik | it's like #define new DEBUG_NEW |
| 19:58.22 | Shirik | it's actually a neat trick, but it's so evil at the same time |
| 19:58.44 | cbreak | Shirik: why not just overload the new operator? :) |
| 19:59.02 | Shirik | because there's some things that would be out of scope to the new operator |
| 19:59.14 | Shirik | it does something like #define new DEBUG_NEW(__LINE__, __FILE__) or something |
| 19:59.30 | Shirik | it's to help with tracking memory leaks |
| 19:59.33 | cbreak | preprocessor stuff :/ |
| 19:59.37 | Jamash | sadly, that actually makes sense |
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| 19:59.49 | cbreak | that's a very exotic reason |
| 19:59.52 | Shirik | It allows the new operator to reecord the file/line at which the memory was allocated |
| 19:59.59 | Shirik | so that it can be reported at program termination |
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| 20:00.40 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/tz7sxz99(VS.80).aspx |
| 20:01.08 | cogwheel | Raging Ancient [Phase 2 Kodo Ride Scenery] .... i think they missed a naming task... |
| 20:01.15 | Shirik | DEBUG_NEW resolves to some mess with __LINE__ and __FILE__ in it somehow I forget entirely how it works |
| 20:01.23 | cbreak | Shirik: on mac os x there are profilers for such things |
| 20:01.37 | Shirik | profiling is slow |
| 20:01.39 | Shirik | this is compiled in |
| 20:02.44 | Shirik | though nobody cares anymore because nobody even knows what memory management is anymore |
| 20:02.57 | cbreak | profiling lets you debug your program |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | "how come C++'s garbage collector isn't working :(" <-- true story |
| 20:03.02 | cbreak | this makes you change your program |
| 20:03.06 | cbreak | ... |
| 20:03.07 | Shirik | heard this once |
| 20:03.14 | Shirik | cbreak: No it doesnt |
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| 20:03.34 | Shirik | It's in a standard include that only gets included when you're in debug compilation |
| 20:03.35 | cbreak | with change I mean the resulting binary will be different |
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| 20:03.43 | Shirik | such is true about a lot of other things too... |
| 20:04.00 | cbreak | I had massive problems two weeks ago with that crap on windows |
| 20:04.02 | Shirik | I mean hell valgrind is much more intrusive than this |
| 20:04.31 | cbreak | some idiot at microsoft thought it would be nice if std::string would not be binary compatible with std::string |
| 20:04.41 | Shirik | lol. |
| 20:04.46 | cbreak | so I got very strange crashes :/ |
| 20:04.54 | cbreak | took me and a coworker almost a day to find |
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| 20:05.28 | kraftman | how do i work out if a date (yy-mm-dd-HH-MM) is 7 days before the current date? |
| 20:05.49 | cbreak | date math is tricky |
| 20:05.53 | cbreak | you probably get it wrong |
| 20:05.56 | cbreak | so don't try |
| 20:06.01 | cbreak | use a library |
| 20:06.08 | Arrowmaster | what language? |
| 20:06.11 | Arrowmaster | lua? |
| 20:06.11 | kraftman | for example if its the 5th, ill need ot get the number of days in the last month? |
| 20:06.14 | kraftman | yeh |
| 20:06.27 | cbreak | easier: transform the date into some reasonable reference frame |
| 20:06.30 | cbreak | like unix time |
| 20:06.33 | cbreak | and do the math there |
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| 20:07.44 | kraftman | how would i go about that? |
| 20:07.55 | cbreak | use a library |
| 20:08.01 | cbreak | as I said, date math is _HARD_ |
| 20:08.01 | Shirik | !api date |
| 20:08.02 | lua_bot | date: Returns a formatted date/time string for a date (or the current date) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/date) |
| 20:08.05 | Shirik | !api time |
| 20:08.06 | lua_bot | time: Returns the numeric time value for a described date/time (or the current time) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/time) |
| 20:08.10 | Shirik | that second one |
| 20:08.19 | Shirik | 7 days is easy |
| 20:08.26 | Shirik | unless it has to be exactly 7 days |
| 20:08.38 | Shirik | I mean if you can afford to be 1 hour off 1 day every 4 years you're ok |
| 20:08.47 | kraftman | yeh thats ok |
| 20:08.54 | Shirik | once you start thinking about leap years it gets a little more ugly |
| 20:08.54 | Cide | would it be ok in a flight control tower? |
| 20:08.58 | Shirik | no :P |
| 20:09.25 | Cide | I treat life like a flight control tower |
| 20:09.25 | Shirik | But we don't even deal with time really |
| 20:09.34 | Shirik | We only implement a backup clock in our AC |
| 20:09.39 | kraftman | so convert teh current date to a tiem value and then take away 7 days, then convert back to date? |
| 20:09.41 | Shirik | We keep pulling the time from the GPS instead |
| 20:09.47 | Shirik | and we just use our clock in between the GPS pulses |
| 20:10.15 | Shirik | kraftman: Wait, so you're asking someone to type in a day? |
| 20:10.16 | Arrowmaster | how often is the gps pulses? |
| 20:10.20 | Shirik | about once a sec |
| 20:10.30 | Arrowmaster | i thought they were exactly 1 second |
| 20:10.41 | kraftman | no, i have a lot of dirrent tables that were recorded on different days |
| 20:10.42 | Shirik | Yeah but you can miss ticks, etc. |
| 20:11.01 | kraftman | and i want to sort them out by week/day/month |
| 20:11.01 | Adys | ~ping |
| 20:11.01 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:11.12 | Shirik | Ok then you should record them as numbers, kraftman |
| 20:11.25 | Shirik | The only time you should ever convert a date into something like MM-DD-YY is when it's about to be shown to the user |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | Internally, it should always be a number |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | it will save you a ton of trouble |
| 20:11.47 | kraftman | well it is a number, i didnt make that clear sorry |
| 20:11.51 | Lulia | Didn't Quartz used to show a "remaining" flight time bar when you used fps? |
| 20:12.03 | Shirik | oh well this is where I got confused: (15:09:31) (kraftman) so convert teh current date to a tiem value and then take away 7 days, then convert back to date? |
| 20:12.08 | Shirik | there's no conversion to time value |
| 20:12.15 | Shirik | os.time() will give you the current time as a UNIX timestamp |
| 20:12.18 | Shirik | lua> os.time() |
| 20:12.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1291320341 |
| 20:12.21 | durcyn | there was a module for displaying ToFu etc data, Lulia, it went the way of the dodo |
| 20:12.28 | Shirik | lua> os.date(os.time()) |
| 20:12.28 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1291320351 |
| 20:12.31 | Shirik | er |
| 20:12.39 | mikma | shirik: i dare you to listen this fully: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkQRVeRdyWs |
| 20:12.51 | Lulia | durcyn: Ah, thank you. Hmm |
| 20:13.00 | Lulia | I found it really useful >.> |
| 20:13.01 | durcyn | actually, it looks like it still exists, damn. uses FlightMap or somesuch |
| 20:13.18 | Shirik | lua> os.date("%c", os.time()) |
| 20:13.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: Thu Dec 2 20:06:41 2010 |
| 20:14.05 | kraftman | what does that number represent? time in seconds since some original date? |
| 20:14.56 | durcyn | Lulia: if you read the project page, it supports FlightMap and InFlight currently |
| 20:15.05 | Shirik | time in seconds since Jan 1 1970 00:00 |
| 20:15.33 | Lulia | Odd, I never had those before |
| 20:15.33 | Shirik | technically it's that, UTC, but implementations don't really adhere to that so much |
| 20:15.38 | kraftman | ok cool |
| 20:15.54 | durcyn | Lulia: once upon a time, there were others. those times have passed. |
| 20:16.03 | kraftman | how would i get the time value for say 00:00 this morning? in order to identify all tables that were created today? |
| 20:16.23 | Shirik | You can use os.date |
| 20:16.35 | kraftman | ok thanks :) |
| 20:16.51 | Shirik | lua> os.date{year=2010, month=12, day=1, hour=0, min=0} |
| 20:16.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'date' (string expected, got table) |
| 20:16.59 | Shirik | er sorry |
| 20:16.59 | cbreak | Shirik: leap years aren't that problematic |
| 20:17.01 | Shirik | os.time |
| 20:17.08 | cbreak | there's at least a formula for them |
| 20:17.08 | Shirik | lua> os.time{year=2010, month=12, day=1, hour=0, min=0} |
| 20:17.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1291161600 |
| 20:17.15 | cbreak | leap seconds on the other hand :/ |
| 20:17.18 | Shirik | lua> os.date("%c", os.time{year=2010, month=12, day=1, hour=0, min=0}) |
| 20:17.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: Wed Dec 1 00:00:00 2010 |
| 20:17.29 | Shirik | cbreak: It's still annoying to get right |
| 20:17.33 | Shirik | every 4th year is a leap year |
| 20:17.39 | Shirik | oh wait except if it's a century year |
| 20:17.44 | Shirik | oh wait except if it's a millenium year |
| 20:17.50 | cbreak | unless it's divisible by 400 |
| 20:17.53 | cbreak | not millenium |
| 20:17.55 | Shirik | oh is it 400? |
| 20:17.57 | Shirik | whatever |
| 20:17.59 | cbreak | :P |
| 20:18.04 | cbreak | q.e.d. |
| 20:18.04 | Shirik | point is it's annoying to deal with |
| 20:18.09 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 20:18.14 | cbreak | leap seconds are decided by comitee |
| 20:18.37 | Shirik | Well that's ok |
| 20:18.42 | Shirik | because pretty much everyone uses GMT instead of UTC |
| 20:18.46 | Shirik | and GMT doesn't follow leap seconds |
| 20:18.48 | Shirik | so |
| 20:18.50 | kraftman | so if i wanted to get 7 days ago from today id have to take 7 days worth of seconds away from the current time, and then get the date, and get the time for 00:00 on that date? |
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| 20:19.00 | kraftman | or am i making it harder than it needs to be? |
| 20:19.09 | Shirik | Just take 7 days worth of seconds away from the current time |
| 20:19.15 | mikma | i know i am hard, mmkay? |
| 20:19.25 | Shirik | lua> os.date("%c", os.time() - 7*60*60*24) |
| 20:19.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: Thu Nov 25 20:12:48 2010 |
| 20:19.46 | Shirik | os.date is just for formatting it so a human can read it |
| 20:19.53 | Shirik | the magic is in os.time() and - |
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| 20:20.25 | kraftman | i want to round to the nearest day though |
| 20:20.33 | Lulia | Nobgul around? |
| 20:20.49 | Shirik | that's going to be a bit harder :) |
| 20:21.05 | cbreak | nearest day? |
| 20:21.08 | Shirik | You could use os.date() to produce a date table and then set hours and minutes and seconds to 0 |
| 20:21.13 | cbreak | add half a day worth in seconds and then round down |
| 20:21.14 | Lulia | Why am I downloading an update?? |
| 20:21.15 | Lulia | O.o |
| 20:21.23 | Shirik | and then feed it back in |
| 20:21.29 | mikma | 4.0.3a? |
| 20:21.30 | cbreak | rounding down can be done by modulo division by number of seconds in day |
| 20:21.36 | Lulia | I already had 4.0.3a |
| 20:21.37 | cbreak | unless you want to consider leap seconds |
| 20:21.38 | Shirik | coughs something about leap seconds |
| 20:21.39 | kraftman | yeh thats what i meant before, im not that great at explaining myself |
| 20:22.05 | Shirik | I think it's more reliable just to get a date table from os.date() and to modify it |
| 20:22.11 | Lulia | Acccording to the downloader this is 4.0.0.2103 tools patch |
| 20:22.14 | kraftman | yeh i think ill do that |
| 20:22.19 | cbreak | it's cleaner :) |
| 20:22.20 | Shirik | lua> os.date("*t", os.time( |
| 20:22.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 20:22.24 | Shirik | lua> pp(os.date("*t", os.time())) |
| 20:22.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: { ["hour"] = 20, ["min"] = 15, ["wday"] = 5, ["day"] = 2, ["month"] = 12, ["year"] = 2010, ["sec"] = 47, ["yday"] = 336, ["isdst"] = false } (#1) |
| 20:22.28 | Lulia | I've never actually understood what a tools patch is for. |
| 20:22.34 | Shirik | so just chop off the hours/mins/sec |
| 20:22.36 | kraftman | then i could make it do something like look for all tables since last sunday |
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| 20:22.56 | Shirik | keep in mind that operation *t is kinda expensive |
| 20:23.23 | Arrowmaster | i need to find that code i did for converting a date string in UTC to local time |
| 20:23.33 | Arrowmaster | its on somebodies jira |
| 20:23.39 | Arrowmaster | probably the old libstub one |
| 20:24.21 | kraftman | i wouldnt need to call it too often i dont think |
| 20:24.32 | cbreak | date strings? :/ |
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| 20:24.40 | Lulia | ... |
| 20:24.51 | Lulia | So it just made me download a tools patch and now it can't validate my game version |
| 20:24.52 | kd3 | so, arsenic |
| 20:24.59 | Shirik | yes, arsenic |
| 20:25.03 | Sintacks | anyone use Grid2 ? |
| 20:25.15 | aualin | Sintacks: There is a grid2? |
| 20:25.21 | Sintacks | yes |
| 20:25.26 | kd3 | why do all of the neat reports have to come out while I'm at work? |
| 20:26.53 | Lopeppeppy | they taunt you, kd3. |
| 20:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | did you fix your power supply? |
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| 20:27.19 | kd3 | ? |
| 20:27.29 | kd3 | sneaks a look at the back of his case |
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| 20:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't you have to fix it or get a new one or perform an exorcism or something, on your netbook? |
| 20:29.04 | Sixen | Adys: http://sixen.org/adys.png |
| 20:29.09 | kd3 | oh, that. yeah. I got it working by screwing around with the cables for a while. I've still got a new ac adapter on the way |
| 20:29.12 | Sixen | Oh holy shit. That was like hours ago. |
| 20:29.19 | Adys | Sixen: thanks :P but yeah, that was hours ago :p |
| 20:29.30 | Sixen | My window didn't auto-scroll, :( |
| 20:29.36 | Sixen | Here I thought I was helping out, haha. |
| 20:30.31 | zenzelezz | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/12/02/156229/Denver-Bomb-Squad-Takes-Out-Toy-Robot |
| 20:30.52 | Adys | Sixen: well, in the time you did that, I tracked down the issue, talked to the original author, got a simple test case, reported the bug to wine and got a tentative fix. |
| 20:31.09 | Sixen | Well, it took me all of 10 seconds to do, :P |
| 20:35.48 | Shirik | are there any vegetarians here? |
| 20:36.24 | Lulia | Nobody else has had to download the tools patch and have their game break? Bleh, I hope the repair fixes it :-/ |
| 20:36.46 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 20:36.52 | Shirik | cries |
| 20:36.56 | Shirik | so cold |
| 20:38.27 | cbreak | we had snow yesterday |
| 20:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | awww, is ums having winters? |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | it got down to 37F last night |
| 20:39.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:39.09 | cbreak | some places were so icy that I saw at least five people slitter down the hill |
| 20:39.30 | Shirik | florida is uninhabitable |
| 20:39.32 | Shirik | I'm moving to Jamaica |
| 20:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | Take me with you. My car was frozen shut this morning! |
| 20:39.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:40.53 | Lopeppeppy | I had to kind of pound my way into the lee side door, it was fun times. :) |
| 20:41.25 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.40 | Dagmar | cbreak: Where is this? Montana? |
| 20:41.54 | cbreak | Zürich |
| 20:42.00 | Industrial | snowsnowsnow I love snow! |
| 20:42.15 | Industrial | So how do I macro mount my paladon mount? |
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| 20:42.39 | Shirik | snow is EVIL |
| 20:42.45 | Shirik | Haven't you ever watched japanese shows |
| 20:42.50 | Shirik | white is always a symbol of evil |
| 20:42.51 | Cide | sweden is pretty habitable |
| 20:42.54 | Shirik | snow is white |
| 20:42.55 | Shirik | SEE |
| 20:42.57 | Shirik | SWEDEN = EVIL |
| 20:42.59 | Shirik | WHITE |
| 20:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | Snow is the sign of de debbil? |
| 20:43.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:43.17 | Cide | Shirik |
| 20:43.20 | Cide | that's pretty racist |
| 20:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously need to move to Jamaica then. |
| 20:43.27 | Shirik | Cide ._. |
| 20:43.38 | Shirik | I meant the snow ._. |
| 20:43.41 | Cide | uh huh |
| 20:43.50 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.54 | Shirik | Cide we should play some games tonight |
| 20:44.57 | Shirik | just a few |
| 20:45.12 | Shirik | oh also |
| 20:45.21 | Shirik | Infestors against colossi |
| 20:45.24 | Shirik | = ownage |
| 20:45.35 | Cide | indeed |
| 20:45.55 | Shirik | then again vikings are pretty ownage too |
| 20:46.02 | Dagmar | Odd. I could have sworn in Sweden if it snowed they just put more blondes into the hottub to stay warm |
| 20:46.05 | Shirik | in fact I think protoss might be the weakest race right now |
| 20:46.24 | Cide | that's racist Dagmar |
| 20:46.43 | Lulia | Shirik: Protoss' metagame is still being developed. |
| 20:47.22 | Shirik | I pretty much have my game against protoss down |
| 20:47.29 | Shirik | it's zerg I have trouble with |
| 20:47.30 | Dagmar | Cide: How is that racist? |
| 20:47.55 | Shirik | because Cide is the only non-blonde sweedenist |
| 20:47.57 | Cide | what if we want more asians in the hottub? |
| 20:48.02 | Lulia | Protoss, more than any other race I've seen so far, have been stuck on singular strategies. When I see good Protoss players branch out the results are pretty awesome. |
| 20:48.05 | Shirik | what the hell do you call someone from sweden? |
| 20:48.09 | Lopeppeppy | asians can be blonde. |
| 20:48.13 | Lopeppeppy | Swedish? |
| 20:48.15 | Cide | swede, or swedish |
| 20:48.15 | Lulia | Ro32 and Ro16 of GSL3 is a good example. |
| 20:48.19 | Shirik | swede |
| 20:48.21 | Cide | depending on what you want |
| 20:48.23 | Lulia | Swede |
| 20:48.31 | Cide | you may also call us Swedehearts. |
| 20:48.37 | Lulia | lol |
| 20:48.50 | Shirik | I prefer not to |
| 20:48.55 | Cide | aww |
| 20:48.58 | Lulia | Somehow I don't see Cide as a Swedeheart. |
| 20:49.13 | Dagmar | I said "in Sweden". Might have been dirty mexicans tossing blondes inna tub for all you know. ;) |
| 20:49.16 | Cide | what? |
| 20:49.21 | Cide | I am a swedeheart |
| 20:49.29 | Shirik | lies |
| 20:49.31 | Shirik | you like python |
| 20:49.50 | Lulia | Holy crap, something just shat on my frame rate |
| 20:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | It was a bald eagle |
| 20:50.26 | Shirik | now why you gonna be making fun of bald eagles like that |
| 20:50.30 | Shirik | maybe they can't afford rogaine |
| 20:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | Alopecia is not cured by rogaine. |
| 20:51.47 | Cide | Shirik: so do you soon! |
| 20:51.50 | Shirik | wait really? |
| 20:51.51 | Nobgul | Anyone know the magic number blizzard set for players in a guild for cata? |
| 20:51.53 | Cide | yes |
| 20:52.05 | Shirik | no that was a tLop |
| 20:52.08 | Shirik | at Lopeppeppy |
| 20:52.17 | Shirik | also, Python is ok |
| 20:52.19 | Shirik | not amazing |
| 20:52.22 | Shirik | but it has its uses |
| 20:52.29 | Shirik | I am far more fond of it than perl now |
| 20:52.29 | Cide | you are still jaded by darkness |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | but that's not that much of an accomplishment |
| 20:52.58 | Cide | what about compared to php, ruby, C#, java |
| 20:53.05 | Shirik | php is evil, ruby is evil |
| 20:53.12 | Shirik | C# would be awesome but isn't supported enough |
| 20:53.12 | Jamash | what's evil about ruby? |
| 20:53.14 | Shirik | java is evil |
| 20:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, yes, really. |
| 20:53.19 | Cide | C? |
| 20:53.23 | Shirik | C is evil |
| 20:53.29 | Cide | see it's already like on your top 2 |
| 20:53.32 | Jamash | who are you and what have you done with shirik |
| 20:53.35 | Shirik | Ruby is evil because it is an interpreted language |
| 20:53.47 | Shirik | In today's world no interpreted language can compete |
| 20:54.11 | Shirik | we are far beyond that in technology |
| 20:54.17 | Shirik | that's like going back to the days of BASIC |
| 20:54.19 | Cide | I don't think that's true |
| 20:54.31 | Jamash | you do realize that different languages serve different purposes, right? |
| 20:54.32 | Cide | the faster our computers get comparatively the more power interpreted languages get |
| 20:54.44 | Cide | i.e. when computation speed matters less |
| 20:54.49 | Shirik | Yes Jamash, but I can't accept interpreted languages...ever |
| 20:55.07 | Shirik | Matters less, maybe, but at least compile it to bytecode |
| 20:55.14 | Shirik | Interpreting every line every time through, that's just stupid |
| 20:55.16 | Shirik | and lazy |
| 20:55.24 | Jamash | better turn off Javascript, Java and Flash in your web browser bro |
| 20:55.33 | Jamash | also no interpreter has worked that way for decades |
| 20:55.34 | cogwheel | Jamash: no |
| 20:55.41 | Shirik | Ruby does |
| 20:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | "Can you replace the old fact sheet with this new one? Thanks!!" "... why sure I can, if you tell me what the hell website you're talking about. A URL would be SPIFFY!!!!!!" |
| 20:55.43 | cogwheel | those use bytecode |
| 20:55.44 | Shirik | and its performance shows it |
| 20:55.45 | Industrial | the case against interpreters? cause of speed? |
| 20:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | hates the sheeples. |
| 20:55.48 | Industrial | hahah |
| 20:55.52 | Shirik | JS/Java/Flash are not interpreted |
| 20:56.03 | Industrial | how is JS not interpreted |
| 20:56.07 | Lulia | What languages aren't evil to you, Shirik? |
| 20:56.11 | Shirik | The same way Lua is not interpreted |
| 20:56.12 | Cide | C++ |
| 20:56.13 | Shirik | C++ |
| 20:56.15 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: This is why schools frown on employees carrying guns. |
| 20:56.22 | cogwheel | Industrial: by compiling to bytecode |
| 20:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, at this moment I'm in danger of going over there with a wet noodle. |
| 20:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 20:57.04 | Shirik | Let me show you an example |
| 20:57.04 | Shirik | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/performance.php?test=fannkuchredux |
| 20:57.08 | Industrial | Shirik: you make it sound like every program needs to be fast.. that's hardly the sue case for most programs... |
| 20:57.09 | Shirik | There is a reason Ruby is at the bottom |
| 20:57.11 | Jamash | C++ is probably the worst language ever invented |
| 20:57.14 | Shirik | And by 4 hours |
| 20:57.20 | Lunessa | Take a plastic fork. You can do hella damage with it. |
| 20:57.22 | Industrial | use case* |
| 20:57.22 | Shirik | 4 HOUR difference |
| 20:57.38 | cogwheel | no that's not probable |
| 20:57.44 | Industrial | if you take roby and try and solve SPEED contests you are nuts imo |
| 20:57.49 | Industrial | ruby* |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | You're missing the point |
| 20:57.57 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:58.00 | Cide | use python instead |
| 20:58.07 | Cide | and you get faster speed and equal utility |
| 20:58.12 | Shirik | My point is that Ruy is a new language that is already behind the times |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik | it was created to solve a non-existent problem and created its own new problems in the process |
| 20:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | Like the Big Dig! |
| 20:58.36 | Industrial | FUD |
| 20:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | Except there really is a problem for that. |
| 20:58.42 | Industrial | right tool for the job |
| 20:58.44 | Industrial | etcetc |
| 20:58.46 | Shirik | Tell me |
| 20:58.53 | Shirik | What job does Ruby solve better than any other tool? |
| 20:58.59 | Industrial | being done quick |
| 20:59.03 | Shirik | "looking cool""? |
| 20:59.07 | Cide | Shirik: should check out PyPy |
| 20:59.16 | Shirik | I think perl beats everyone out in "being done quick" |
| 20:59.22 | Shirik | totally unreadable, but if that's your metric then perl wins |
| 20:59.27 | nicoli_s | man, my ex landlord is really pissing me off :S |
| 20:59.36 | Cide | did you screw her |
| 20:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | borrow my noodle, nicoli_s? |
| 20:59.45 | Industrial | well if your metric is speed for every program then you are ignorant or blind or are trying to troll a whole channel here |
| 20:59.49 | Industrial | pick one, I lost interest |
| 20:59.50 | Sixen | what if it's a guy, cide? |
| 20:59.52 | Industrial | BYE |
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| 20:59.57 | Shirik | You're just ignoring my points |
| 21:00.02 | Cide | then who cares what your ex landlord is doing |
| 21:00.06 | nicoli_s | no, we had our final walkthrough yesterday and she said we are all good, then today they call and tell us we owe 275 because they had to repaint and it "smells like cats" |
| 21:00.06 | Shirik | My point is that Ruby does not solve anything |
| 21:00.08 | aualin | Jamash: IMHO Javascript is worse. |
| 21:00.09 | Shirik | And only creates new problems |
| 21:00.23 | Industrial | Shirik: FUD |
| 21:00.26 | Shirik | It was created because someone wanted to create a language, honestly |
| 21:00.27 | Industrial | and you know it |
| 21:00.37 | Shirik | Under the guise of "Other languages aren't friendly to humans |
| 21:00.46 | Industrial | use case, he made it work |
| 21:00.49 | Industrial | othe rpeople did too |
| 21:00.52 | Industrial | presto community |
| 21:00.58 | Industrial | if you dont like it, dont use the tool? |
| 21:01.02 | Shirik | "made it work" and "has a reason to exist" are two radically different things |
| 21:01.06 | Shirik | LOLCODE works |
| 21:01.12 | Shirik | it certainly doesn't have a reason to exist |
| 21:01.26 | Industrial | if it exists then it has or had a purpose |
| 21:01.34 | Industrial | (programming languages anyway) |
| 21:01.39 | Industrial | maybe not to you |
| 21:01.45 | Shirik | brainfuck, LOLCODE, I'm sure I can come up with more |
| 21:01.49 | Shirik | all of these have a purpose? |
| 21:01.49 | Cide | Shirik: since you asked a few days ago.. PyPy does JIT for python |
| 21:01.54 | Shirik | Cide: nice |
| 21:02.06 | Shirik | Is that pronounced pee pee? |
| 21:02.09 | Shirik | or pie pie? |
| 21:02.15 | Cide | pie pie I would think but no idea |
| 21:02.22 | cbreak | does it lift the stupid limitation to not being able to properly indent the code? |
| 21:02.24 | Cide | it's supposedly between 1x and 50x faster than CPython (default implementation) depending on the area |
| 21:02.33 | Industrial | Shirik: please dude just please, you keep stressing one argument and TOTALLY ignore every business that runs on PHP, Ruby, Python etc.. and that just the web... |
| 21:02.36 | Industrial | get real |
| 21:02.37 | Industrial | pffff :P |
| 21:02.40 | Cide | cbreak: it's not a stupid limitation and no, it's implementing the same language |
| 21:02.40 | aualin | Shirik: You forgot the shakespeare language, which is probaly the coolest of the useless languages |
| 21:02.41 | Jamash | Hey Shirik did you know that Ruby 1.9 uses bytecode |
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| 21:02.57 | Shirik | Jamash: If it does then it's risen a little bit on the practical scale |
| 21:02.58 | Cide | Shirik: best part... PyPy is written in python |
| 21:03.03 | Jamash | as of 2007 |
| 21:03.06 | Shirik | Why the hell it took them so long is pathetic, but at least they finally gave in |
| 21:03.15 | Jamash | welcome to three years ago |
| 21:03.49 | cbreak | Industrial: some businesses run with Excel Databases that are glued together by a bunch of vb scripts and bat files. |
| 21:03.50 | Shirik | So now you're telling me I'm behind the times after you were telling me being behind the times isn't that bad? |
| 21:03.54 | Shirik | That's ironic |
| 21:03.58 | cbreak | Industrial: but it's still crap. |
| 21:04.05 | Industrial | cbreak: so it serves a purpose and it runs. not fast but it does. there's your use case and reason to exist |
| 21:04.22 | Shirik | Anyway, cbreak, I have to admit Python has less indent restrictions than I originally though |
| 21:04.25 | cbreak | the reason it exists is that people were and are too dumb to solve it properly |
| 21:04.28 | Shirik | thought* |
| 21:04.46 | Shirik | Industrial, you seem to believe that businesses actually think before they make decisions |
| 21:05.02 | cbreak | they know how to use excel (5% of it), so they use it |
| 21:05.09 | cbreak | even if it's one of the worst tools for the job |
| 21:05.40 | Industrial | Shirik: you seem to think that .. i dont even know anymore.. what are you trying to prove here? that everything should have been written in C++ ever? |
| 21:05.45 | Shirik | no |
| 21:05.47 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:05.53 | Shirik | I used Java for Minion |
| 21:05.58 | cbreak | C++ is not a good language for many things :/ |
| 21:06.07 | Shirik | It should be obvious that I'm willing to accept that there is a right tool for every job |
| 21:06.14 | Shirik | However, Ruby is one of those tools that is right for no job |
| 21:06.14 | Cide | he's saying that sacrificing speed for no benefit whatsoever is stupid? |
| 21:06.31 | Jamash | I don't think it's at all obvious that you're willing to accept that |
| 21:06.37 | Industrial | Shirik: got a job interview for ruby on rails webdevelopment tomorrow |
| 21:06.47 | Cide | too bad you didn't learn django |
| 21:06.48 | cbreak | good luck! |
| 21:06.52 | Industrial | too bad, I did! |
| 21:06.53 | Shirik | good luck |
| 21:06.55 | Industrial | ty |
| 21:07.17 | Shirik | Jamash: Most of my software is NOT written in C++, actually |
| 21:07.20 | cbreak | and may you find happyness even in adverse language situations :) |
| 21:07.31 | Shirik | despite the fact that I think it is one of the best languages out there right now |
| 21:07.33 | Industrial | and pylons and charrypy and webpy and the google appengine thing too. and sinatra and ruby on rails and WSAPI and younameit |
| 21:07.40 | Industrial | >:P |
| 21:07.58 | cbreak | sounds weird to me. |
| 21:08.04 | cbreak | my next project is to learn CUDA. |
| 21:08.09 | cbreak | (for during holidays :) |
| 21:08.09 | Lopeppeppy | Indie, you're scaring me. Don't show me demons! |
| 21:08.10 | Shirik | oh I need to learn CUDA too |
| 21:08.22 | cbreak | I suck at OpenCL, so maybe CUDA is easier |
| 21:08.25 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: how about lions >:3 |
| 21:08.28 | cbreak | ... probably not |
| 21:09.08 | Industrial | I'll be playing with this during the holidays https://github.com/Industrial/luablog |
| 21:09.37 | Shirik | though to be honest |
| 21:09.46 | Lopeppeppy | Purr? |
| 21:09.46 | Shirik | People need to start making languages that are more vectorizing-friendly |
| 21:09.48 | Lopeppeppy | I like kitties. |
| 21:09.54 | Industrial | I has 2 |
| 21:10.00 | cbreak | Shirik: like matlab's language? :/ |
| 21:10.01 | Shirik | gcc is decent at it for C/C++ |
| 21:10.03 | cbreak | I hope it dies. |
| 21:10.04 | Shirik | matlab is good at it yes |
| 21:10.11 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: I made an alternative arrow for TomTomLite. Not sure if you want it, but I just tested it and it works well. It's not a "3d perspective" but it looks nice. |
| 21:10.19 | Industrial | they are 7 already, so old :o I can remember when I just got them |
| 21:10.24 | Shirik | but there's so much out there that can be done in parallel on a single core that we just don't use |
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| 21:10.50 | cbreak | there are attempts to make it more human readable like apple's GCC extension for GCD |
| 21:10.50 | Jamash | APL bitches |
| 21:10.59 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: my GF at the time went to my workplace to show them to me xD OMGKITTAYSWHEE she did |
| 21:11.07 | cbreak | but those still require programmer's input |
| 21:11.15 | Shirik | I've also postulated, but never proven, that mergesort should be faster than quicksort in today's hardware |
| 21:11.36 | xqo | how do you make something Click-through? |
| 21:12.00 | cbreak | Shirik: seen GPU sorting algorithms? |
| 21:12.00 | Shirik | afk |
| 21:12.01 | cogwheel | !api enablemouse |
| 21:12.01 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'enablemouse': Frame:EnableMouse, Frame:EnableMouseWheel |
| 21:12.08 | cogwheel | !api enablemouse$ |
| 21:12.08 | lua_bot | Frame:EnableMouse: Enables or disables mouse interactivity for the frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/EnableMouse) |
| 21:12.11 | Shirik | cbreak: Nah |
| 21:12.13 | Shirik | brb |
| 21:12.24 | cogwheel | xqo: ^ |
| 21:12.29 | xqo | frame:EnableMouse(false) didnt do it |
| 21:12.40 | cogwheel | then you did something wrong |
| 21:12.41 | xqo | i still cant move the camera when i click and hold my frame |
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| 21:13.15 | cogwheel | it either got re-enabled or there's another frame overlapping |
| 21:13.25 | cogwheel | (or you didn't do what you thought you did) |
| 21:14.30 | cbreak | Shirik: Radix sort. Not a popular algorithm on the CPU, but with 256 cores it's apparently fast :) |
| 21:14.30 | xqo | these are the two functions that unlock/lock |
| 21:14.32 | xqo | something missing? |
| 21:14.36 | xqo | just 17 lines |
| 21:15.05 | xqo | ops |
| 21:15.05 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/WNHH6sBw |
| 21:16.08 | cogwheel | well that eliminates "(or you didn't do what you thought you did)" |
| 21:16.19 | cogwheel | assuming you're calling XqoFocus_Lock |
| 21:16.38 | cogwheel | use /framestack to see if theres another frame there |
| 21:16.51 | cogwheel | if the frame you're locking has other enablemoused frames on it, it shouldn't cascade... |
| 21:20.15 | xqo | MEDIUM: <1>XquFrame<0>UIParent; WORLD: <0>WorldFrame |
| 21:20.22 | xqo | XquFrame is the frame being locked/unlocked |
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| 21:23.26 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/12/the-physics-and-biology-of-the-tsas-backscatter-security-scanners.ars, interesting... |
| 21:23.37 | cbreak | but why do they make such long and unwieldy URLs :/ |
| 21:23.49 | aualin | Google friendly |
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| 21:28.04 | zenzelezz | personally I like such URLs |
| 21:28.21 | zenzelezz | yes, they're long and tedious, but you don't have to click them to see what it's about |
| 21:28.31 | zenzelezz | "oh, article 2945728 you say? Yeah, I read that last week" |
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| 21:33.26 | Lunessa | I hate adobe. |
| 21:35.30 | cbreak | that's just natural. they are evil. |
| 21:36.00 | Lulia | Adobe owns my soul |
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| 21:38.10 | zenzelezz | why does WoW refuse to listen to my "Don't consolidate my buffs" setting after I relog? |
| 21:39.18 | Lunessa | I spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure out why reader won't render PDF files on one page in IE 8, but happily opens every other goddamned PDF file in the world, and would open them in Chrome's built-in PDF renderer. |
| 21:39.38 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Check to make sure you have write permission to where config.wtf is. |
| 21:39.49 | Fisker | you killed me Lunessa |
| 21:40.01 | Lunessa | And yet you keep speaking. |
| 21:40.39 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I do. Also, if I go to the interface->buffs settings page, the setting shows it's being remembered as disabled, but the game acts as if it wasn't until I check and uncheck it again (but then again forgets it next time I log in) |
| 21:41.07 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Your game client is smoking crack. Tell it to share. |
| 21:43.20 | Fisker | that's what you get for discrediting ghosthunters Lunessa |
| 21:43.36 | Lunessa | Ghosthunters - Crap TV for the gullible. |
| 21:49.02 | xqo | damnit to hell |
| 21:49.17 | xqo | why wont my addon work right.. |
| 21:49.17 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 21:49.23 | Nobgul | what addon? |
| 21:49.26 | Nobgul | And what errors |
| 21:49.50 | xqo | it shows a bar with focus. that works well, but i tried to add unlocking/locking the frame |
| 21:50.17 | xqo | i added SavedVariablesPerCharacter: Locked |
| 21:50.29 | Nobgul | ok |
| 21:50.45 | xqo | but when i restart wow the frame snaps to the center of the screen (it didnt do this before), and its still not locked even though i locked it before i quit |
| 21:50.59 | Nobgul | you need to save the position |
| 21:51.11 | Nobgul | Otherwise you will have to move it each time |
| 21:51.18 | Nobgul | Using a setpoint for the frame |
| 21:51.19 | xqo | how do you do that? |
| 21:51.28 | Nobgul | !api setpoint |
| 21:51.28 | lua_bot | Region:SetPoint: Sets an anchor point for the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint) |
| 21:51.34 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 21:51.44 | xqo | is there like a GetPoint? |
| 21:51.49 | Nobgul | Yes there is. |
| 21:51.54 | xqo | !api getpoint |
| 21:51.55 | lua_bot | Region:GetPoint: Returns information about one of the region's anchor points (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/GetPoint) |
| 21:52.03 | xqo | thanks |
| 21:52.47 | Nobgul | No worries. then you set your saved var to locked/ unlocked and as they move it when they loke it have it save the spot in a var. or however you want to do it |
| 21:54.37 | Lunessa | Haha... Someone just walked into my office to ask about WoW - because they saw my action figures. |
| 21:55.59 | xqo | ill deal with it not saving its position later |
| 21:56.09 | xqo | but why does it unlock whenever i restart wow?! |
| 21:57.29 | Nobgul | Umm |
| 21:57.42 | Nobgul | Cause your saved var is there but your not err calling it in a function |
| 21:57.58 | Nobgul | if blahblah is unlock end else lock |
| 21:58.03 | xqo | but i doo |
| 21:58.11 | Nobgul | Pate it in pastebin it may be wrong |
| 21:58.36 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/5UpgVLJ9 |
| 21:58.48 | xqo | top part is the OnLoad-function |
| 21:58.53 | xqo | BONUS: is the lock/unlock |
| 21:59.09 | xqo | OnLoad is called by the xml |
| 21:59.50 | xqo | oh, and in the .lua, their positions are reversed, so the OnLoad knows the lock/unlock exists already |
| 22:00.23 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 22:00.25 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxToOTjmviw |
| 22:00.30 | Nobgul | you have 3 calls to the lock /unlock thing. 1 sec. Im at work. |
| 22:00.48 | syrae | what the hell... http://www.regretsy.com/2010/12/02/harry-codder-and-the-chamber-of-seafood/ |
| 22:00.56 | Industrial | Is there an addon that will help me with endlessly chanting the same piece of gear for leveling chanting? I dont feel like clicking enchant then the item then confirm 90 times ... |
| 22:01.09 | Nobgul | Industrial, No |
| 22:01.21 | Industrial | labourrrrrr >_> |
| 22:01.25 | Nobgul | Against the tos. You can kinda cut down on the clicks by using /cast |
| 22:01.30 | Industrial | k |
| 22:01.37 | Nobgul | do /cast chantname |
| 22:01.45 | Nobgul | just hover over the item |
| 22:02.13 | Nobgul | xqo, Why do you need lines 6 , 7 and 8? |
| 22:02.26 | Industrial | '/cast Enchant Bracer - Minor Health' ? |
| 22:02.42 | Nobgul | Should work |
| 22:02.48 | Nobgul | i can cast my jc crap |
| 22:02.51 | Nobgul | and smelting |
| 22:03.14 | xqo | Nobgul, when you release the mouse from the frame, you stop dragging it. thats what they do |
| 22:03.25 | xqo | i copied it off wowwiki, but it has worked well so far |
| 22:03.46 | Nobgul | but that has nothing to do with mousebuttondown |
| 22:04.07 | Nobgul | xqo, Lulia may be able to help you his, lock and unlock on powerbars is flawless |
| 22:04.19 | xqo | if you dont add them you will never be able to stop dragging i think? |
| 22:04.30 | Nobgul | naw |
| 22:04.36 | Nobgul | !api OnMouse |
| 22:04.36 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnMouse'. |
| 22:04.47 | Lulia | What's up? |
| 22:04.50 | Nobgul | I may be wrong |
| 22:05.27 | Lulia | What does xqo need? |
| 22:06.08 | xqo | lock/unlock of my frame |
| 22:06.43 | Lulia | Well, you can look at my mess of a code in Power Bars or we can talk more specifically in a pm in the irc. |
| 22:06.58 | Lulia | I'm not sure where you're at with it, I havent been watchign chat |
| 22:07.18 | xqo | this is what ive tried |
| 22:07.20 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/CiN1RZDr |
| 22:07.27 | xqo | (fairly short) |
| 22:08.00 | xqo | two functions that lock and unlock, the slashcommand-handler which calls them, and the OnLoad which checks for SavedVariables and calls them on load |
| 22:08.02 | Lulia | You don't need to change the OnMouseDown or OnMouseDown scripts in your lock |
| 22:08.15 | Lulia | I'll show you mine, one sec |
| 22:08.37 | Lulia | Now, mind you, I could probably make it a bit cleaner or more efficient, dunno |
| 22:09.06 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2950/ |
| 22:10.08 | Lulia | Don't mind the cursor position stuff |
| 22:10.19 | Lulia | I added that for something very specific to how mine works |
| 22:10.38 | Lulia | And it didn't actually work like I wanted it to, but it doesn't harm the code either so I've left it as is and will likely return to it later. |
| 22:10.44 | Fisker | bawbawbawbawbawbawbaw |
| 22:12.26 | xqo | so without your specific stuff itd be http://xqo.pastebin.com/Zs3Ak6J4 |
| 22:12.26 | xqo | ? |
| 22:12.38 | Lulia | Yeah |
| 22:12.54 | Lulia | Well |
| 22:12.55 | Lulia | no |
| 22:13.01 | Lulia | You're missing something very key there |
| 22:13.05 | Lulia | But I want you to figure it out |
| 22:14.03 | Lulia | When I think about it, mine might be missing something key too, but that's not what I'm referring to for what you're missing |
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| 22:14.13 | xqo | StartMoving() whats that? |
| 22:14.36 | Lulia | Hmm? |
| 22:14.49 | Nobgul | Sorry back |
| 22:14.50 | xqo | !api startmoving |
| 22:14.51 | lua_bot | Frame:StartMoving: Begins repositioning the frame via mouse movement (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartMoving) |
| 22:14.59 | xqo | oh. |
| 22:15.02 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:15.06 | Lulia | You used it in your code too |
| 22:15.10 | Lulia | But that's not what's wrong |
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| 22:15.48 | xqo | where do you get button? |
| 22:15.58 | Lulia | What button? |
| 22:16.11 | xqo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.35 | Lulia | It's returned by the handler |
| 22:17.02 | Lulia | Different handlers have different arguments that they pass that you can use in your setscript functions |
| 22:17.05 | xqo | ok then i dont know, whats wrong? :P |
| 22:17.18 | Lulia | Look at them both a bit more closely |
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| 22:18.32 | xqo | self.isMoving = false;, also what is local RelativeTo;? |
| 22:19.08 | Lulia | Vestigal code |
| 22:19.21 | Lulia | Probably should have deleted it :P |
| 22:19.33 | xqo | ok |
| 22:19.42 | xqo | was self.isMoving=false whats missing? if not then im clueless |
| 22:19.47 | Lulia | Yes |
| 22:19.50 | ccox | Blizz pushed out a patch on a Thursday afternoon? must have been a nasty bug. |
| 22:20.01 | Lulia | It broke my game |
| 22:20.03 | Lulia | So screw them |
| 22:20.16 | Nobgul | lol what bug? |
| 22:20.35 | Lulia | I cant find what the patch was released for |
| 22:20.39 | Lulia | It was labeled as a tools patch |
| 22:20.41 | ccox | I don't know. All I know is that it just downloaded a patch. |
| 22:20.48 | Lulia | And I have no idea what tools patches are for >.> |
| 22:20.53 | Nobgul | for the launcher |
| 22:20.56 | Lulia | It also broke my game and I had to run the repair tool |
| 22:20.57 | ccox | and that patch wasn't there this morning. |
| 22:20.58 | ccox | |
| 22:21.17 | xqo | wait, function abcd:func1()print(1);end, how do you call that? |
| 22:21.26 | xqo | i havent seen that syntax before |
| 22:22.05 | Nobgul | cough shortcut cough |
| 22:22.28 | Nobgul | =X wrong chan lol |
| 22:23.14 | Lulia | what are you referrign to, xqo? |
| 22:23.14 | xqo | function PowerBars:CheckDrag(DragFrame) |
| 22:23.15 | xqo | how do you call that function? |
| 22:23.29 | Lulia | PowerBars:CheckDrag(SomeFrame) |
| 22:23.41 | Shirik | Cide |
| 22:23.42 | xqo | so the : is what? nothing? |
| 22:23.44 | Shirik | mind looking at some python for me? |
| 22:24.10 | Lulia | Colon is syntactic sugar for Table.Value(self) |
| 22:24.21 | Nobgul | the : seperates the table from the value |
| 22:24.24 | Nobgul | eh |
| 22:24.30 | Lulia | I put the function in my global addon variable |
| 22:24.31 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:24.31 | Nobgul | goes back to what i was doing lol |
| 22:24.32 | Cide | Shirik: sure |
| 22:24.36 | Lulia | So that it can be used across files. |
| 22:24.44 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/143546 |
| 22:24.49 | Shirik | The highlighted lines are the important ones |
| 22:24.53 | Shirik | The output is as follows: |
| 22:25.07 | Shirik | {'teaches': {'VERB': True, 'NOUN': True}} |
| 22:25.07 | Shirik | DEBUG:Parser:NOUN -> teaches |
| 22:25.09 | Lulia | I could have done PowerBars.CheckDrag, but, in some functions I can use the self reference and I prefer to make all of them look uniform if possible. |
| 22:25.13 | Shirik | Where the hell does the "VERB" part go? |
| 22:25.22 | Shirik | It's like it's missing a second iteration of the inner loop |
| 22:26.36 | xqo | ok |
| 22:27.27 | xqo | so this function enables dragging, what do you use to disable dragging? |
| 22:27.47 | Cide | checking |
| 22:28.15 | Lulia | It's on a button which toggles, xqo |
| 22:28.34 | Cide | so k will be "teaches" and v will be {'VERB': True, 'NOUN': True} |
| 22:28.54 | Cide | and so e, a will be ('VERB', True) first iteration and ('NOUN', True) the second iteration |
| 22:28.57 | Cide | of the inner loop |
| 22:29.01 | Shirik | that's what I expect |
| 22:29.05 | Shirik | but it seems like there is no second iteration |
| 22:29.26 | Cide | there definitely will be |
| 22:29.39 | Cide | what's the issue you're having? |
| 22:29.44 | Shirik | I showed you the output |
| 22:29.48 | Shirik | That's the entirety of the output |
| 22:29.55 | Shirik | the second iteration should give another output |
| 22:30.06 | Shirik | Oh actually it's the first iteration that's missing |
| 22:30.09 | Shirik | the 'VERB' iteration |
| 22:30.12 | Fisker | Shirik Shirik |
| 22:30.15 | xqo | so if DragFrame was global when the toggle disables dragging, it does: DragFrame:SetScript("OnMouseDown", nil) and the same for mouseup? |
| 22:30.35 | Shirik | though my understanding is that the order in which a dictionary is iterated over is not guaranteed |
| 22:30.41 | Lulia | No, xqo |
| 22:30.44 | Cide | replace it with print instead of log imo |
| 22:30.49 | Cide | or use the python debugger |
| 22:31.00 | Cide | if you're running it from console |
| 22:31.26 | Shirik | same result Cide |
| 22:31.31 | Fisker | oh my it's beautiful Shirik |
| 22:31.32 | Cide | are you running it from console? |
| 22:31.36 | Lulia | If it's not MouseEnabled and its Movable status is set to false then the scripts don't matter |
| 22:31.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:31.49 | Cide | import pdb at the top |
| 22:31.58 | Cide | and before the outer loop do pdb.set_trace() |
| 22:31.58 | Lulia | I'll let you work out the rest yourself ;) |
| 22:32.23 | xqo | oh, so the one that disables dragging just does SetMovable(false) and EnableMouse(false)? |
| 22:32.27 | Cide | it's pretty similar to gdb I believe |
| 22:33.41 | Shirik | hmmmmm |
| 22:33.45 | Shirik | pdb disagrees with the tabulation |
| 22:33.47 | Lulia | Well, I use one button for both, it's toggleable |
| 22:33.49 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 22:33.53 | Cide | figured |
| 22:33.55 | Shirik | it's tabulating it differently |
| 22:33.56 | xqo | but in short, yes? |
| 22:33.57 | Lulia | But yes, xqo, more-or-less |
| 22:33.59 | Fisker | Shirik tried to stop me |
| 22:34.01 | xqo | cool, thanks! |
| 22:34.02 | Fisker | but he couldn't |
| 22:34.07 | Cide | so fix your indentation |
| 22:35.10 | Shirik | fixed thanks Cide |
| 22:35.20 | Cide | and remove that semicolon jesus |
| 22:35.23 | Shirik | coughs something about whitespace-dependent languages being evil |
| 22:35.48 | Cide | you're just being awful :P |
| 22:39.44 | Shirik | I'm going to adjust visual studio's python highlighting so that it highlights tabs as being evil |
| 22:39.54 | Shirik | like with a red background or something |
| 22:40.16 | Lulia | Why are tabs evil? |
| 22:40.25 | Shirik | oh god |
| 22:40.32 | Shirik | you have started an evil discussion |
| 22:40.45 | Shirik | Just trust me, Cide and I are right that tabs are evil |
| 22:40.48 | Shirik | and leave it at that |
| 22:40.48 | Lulia | I believe you did by calling them evil, sir. |
| 22:40.48 | Arrowmaster | was just looking through the thinkgeek catalog i got in the mail |
| 22:40.58 | Arrowmaster | this is cool http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/c890/ |
| 22:41.22 | Shirik | tabs are bad because they promote inconsistent formatting of code |
| 22:41.27 | Shirik | among other things |
| 22:41.37 | Shirik | they're great for human text, not for code |
| 22:41.41 | Shirik | for code, use spaces |
| 22:42.04 | cogwheel | 14:41 <@Shirik> tabs are bad because they promote inconsistent formatting of code |
| 22:42.16 | Lulia | what if I use an editor that puts in spaces when I tab? |
| 22:42.18 | cogwheel | unless you don't use tabs the way most editors use them |
| 22:42.20 | Shirik | that's good |
| 22:42.23 | Shirik | I use that |
| 22:42.29 | cogwheel | http://nickgravgaard.com/elastictabstops/ |
| 22:42.31 | Shirik | I'm not saying don't push the tab key, I'm saying don't save tab characters |
| 22:42.38 | Lulia | Oh, I agree |
| 22:42.38 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:43.01 | Shirik | cogwheel: I might be able to agree with this if/when it becomes the norm |
| 22:43.07 | Shirik | I think you showed me this before |
| 22:43.15 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 22:43.25 | cogwheel | i started trying to figure out how to write a VS plugin to do it |
| 22:43.27 | Fisker | i think that nick guy is danish |
| 22:43.30 | Fisker | so he's a jerk |
| 22:43.32 | cogwheel | but got busy with other stuff |
| 22:43.59 | Lulia | One of the reasons I like my editor so much is because it puts spaces in when I use the tab key. |
| 22:44.07 | Fisker | looks like some sweet tsuff he's making |
| 22:44.11 | Cide | most editors can do that |
| 22:44.21 | Cide | some people just choose to not use that awesome feature |
| 22:44.55 | xqo | UnitPower("player") gives me 0 when i start the game, but works fine ever after that? when can i start using it? |
| 22:45.01 | Lulia | well it's default in the editor I use |
| 22:45.21 | Xinhuan | xqo, try after/during PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 22:45.23 | Lulia | I think I use it after P_E_W, xqo, I can't recall off the top of my head |
| 22:45.27 | Lulia | Or Xin can beat me |
| 22:45.32 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 22:45.57 | xqo | thanks, Xinhuan |
| 22:46.12 | Nobgul | You can use al as well i reckon, whatever you prefer. |
| 22:46.21 | xqo | P_E_W? |
| 22:46.26 | xqo | oh |
| 22:46.27 | Nobgul | Player entering world |
| 22:46.29 | xqo | playeretneringworld |
| 22:46.30 | xqo | right |
| 22:46.31 | Nobgul | al = addon loaded |
| 22:46.40 | Lulia | Events are capitalized |
| 22:46.44 | xqo | if i do that Nobgul, i get 0 |
| 22:46.44 | Nobgul | I knwo that |
| 22:46.48 | xqo | instead of 100 |
| 22:46.51 | Nobgul | xqo 0_o |
| 22:46.52 | Nobgul | otay |
| 22:46.56 | Lulia | And use underscores where spaces would be |
| 22:47.04 | Nobgul | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 22:47.13 | xqo | yeah |
| 22:47.15 | Nobgul | For the syntax police =P |
| 22:47.20 | xqo | ill deal with that lter though |
| 22:47.20 | Lulia | If you're shortening it for discussion it would be PEW or P_E_W |
| 22:47.29 | WizKid057 | FREEZE! |
| 22:47.34 | Nobgul | Poke Lulia |
| 22:47.37 | xqo | for now, why does my addon still think the frame is draggable when i start the game? |
| 22:47.38 | Lulia | ow |
| 22:47.51 | xqo | even though i locked it before quitting, and the variable Locked=1 |
| 22:48.07 | Xinhuan | 1. check if the loaded variable is 1 |
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| 22:48.15 | Lulia | Probably because you set the values for movable to true instead of using a variable to mediate it. |
| 22:48.17 | Nobgul | xqo, Did you specify a saved var file in your toc? |
| 22:48.27 | xqo | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: XqoFocus_Draggable |
| 22:48.30 | Xinhuan | 2. check that you applied that setting after PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 22:48.37 | Nobgul | ok =) |
| 22:49.46 | xqo | when the game was loaded i checked, the XqoFocus_Draggable = 0 (locked) |
| 22:50.05 | Xinhuan | when did you check that variable? |
| 22:50.12 | Xinhuan | after ADDON_LOADED ? |
| 22:50.19 | xqo | <OnLoad> |
| 22:50.25 | Xinhuan | can't do that |
| 22:50.41 | Xinhuan | OnLoad occurs before ADDON_LOADED (which fires after the savedvar file is read) |
| 22:50.51 | xqo | oh |
| 22:51.02 | Xinhuan | you are essentially checking that variable before saved data is loaded |
| 22:51.32 | Xinhuan | ADDON_LOADED also has arg1 == "the name of the addon that loaded" |
| 22:51.32 | Lulia | Which means it will return nil |
| 22:51.45 | Xinhuan | may not be nil if the first part of his addon initialized it to 0 |
| 22:51.52 | Lulia | Ah |
| 22:51.53 | Xinhuan | which will later get overwritten by the savedvar |
| 22:52.03 | xqo | !event ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:52.09 | Xinhuan | you will need to check that arg1 == "xqo" or whatever your addon's name is |
| 22:52.10 | xqo | !api ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:52.10 | lua_bot | ADDON_LOADED: Fires when an addon and its saved variables are loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ADDON_LOADED) |
| 22:52.55 | Xinhuan | savedvars are loaded after the last file listed in the .toc file is loaded |
| 22:53.37 | xqo | function OnEvent(event, arg0) arg0 should be "xqo" or whatever my addon's name is? |
| 22:53.37 | Xinhuan | OnLoad for a frame occurs during its creation in XML code |
| 22:53.37 | Mikk | oh and hint... do: if string.lower(arg1) == "xqo" |
| 22:53.45 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 22:54.00 | Xinhuan | arg0 in your case should match your addon's folder name |
| 22:54.09 | Xinhuan | exactly in capitalization |
| 22:54.24 | Xinhuan | if event == "ADDON_LOADED" that is |
| 22:54.33 | xqo | can you do and in lua? like if( check1==1 and check2==0) then: |
| 22:54.41 | Nobgul | Yes |
| 22:54.42 | Xinhuan | definitely u can |
| 22:54.49 | Nobgul | else and if or then |
| 22:54.52 | Nobgul | elseif |
| 22:55.05 | Lulia | Don't need the parenthesees |
| 22:55.36 | Lulia | /s/parenthesees/parentheses |
| 22:55.38 | xqo | that was for you actually :P |
| 22:55.43 | xqo | to make it more clear what i meant |
| 22:56.19 | xqo | mmm.... |
| 22:56.43 | xqo | how do i load the variable from savedvariables? |
| 22:57.00 | xqo | oh wait, i just need to wait for it to be loaded cause that happens by itself? |
| 22:57.02 | Lulia | It's loaded with the addon |
| 22:57.10 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 22:57.17 | Xinhuan | wow loads it after the last file in the .toc |
| 22:57.27 | Xinhuan | the savedvar file itself is another .lua file |
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| 22:58.01 | Xinhuan | and is loaded (executed) like most lua files (with some exceptions to prevent code execution) |
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| 22:58.27 | Xinhuan | its stored in the WTF folder |
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| 23:00.02 | Lulia | Nobguuuuuuuuul |
| 23:00.25 | Kraps | i hate you all |
| 23:00.35 | Lulia | <3 Kraps |
| 23:01.45 | jnwhiteh | Whats the most consistent way of making money in WoW these days? |
| 23:01.50 | jnwhiteh | I think I'd like the vendor mount |
| 23:02.18 | Lulia | Playing the AH? |
| 23:02.32 | xqo | google GreedyGoblin, jnwhiteh |
| 23:02.41 | xqo | ah damnit to hell! |
| 23:02.42 | jnwhiteh | consistent :P |
| 23:02.58 | Lulia | Well, people who know how to play it |
| 23:03.02 | Lulia | Are fairly consistent :P |
| 23:03.04 | Kraps | do dailies |
| 23:03.08 | foxlit | Invest in stock options. |
| 23:03.11 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: for a week, anyway :P |
| 23:03.17 | Kraps | and run randoms |
| 23:03.22 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: I made a new arrow, it's not 3d perspective, but it looks nice |
| 23:03.25 | foxlit | (I wonder if you can run an AH speculation scheme by taking people's gold and promising crazy returns.) |
| 23:03.25 | jnwhiteh | I don't always have time for 25 dailies |
| 23:03.26 | Lulia | Want to take a look at it? |
| 23:03.32 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: sure! |
| 23:03.38 | Kraps | and vendor everthying |
| 23:03.46 | Kraps | profit! |
| 23:03.56 | jnwhiteh | cause I only have 3200g right now |
| 23:03.59 | jnwhiteh | is the vendor mount worth it? |
| 23:04.08 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/BevArrow.png |
| 23:04.09 | Shirik | don't do it |
| 23:04.22 | jnwhiteh | I find myself, somewhat frequently needing to sell stuff and the squire has what.. a 3 hour cooldown? |
| 23:04.41 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: no |
| 23:04.50 | xqo | Luliaaaa |
| 23:04.56 | xqo | it doesnt woooork............. |
| 23:05.00 | Kraps | play less jnwhiteh |
| 23:05.06 | Nobgul | lol xqo! |
| 23:05.34 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, What professions you have? |
| 23:05.45 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: herb/alchemy on one |
| 23:05.48 | jnwhiteh | tailoring/inscroption on another |
| 23:05.50 | Lulia | What doesn't work, xqo? |
| 23:06.06 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: it would be trivial to drop that in place of what I have now |
| 23:06.07 | Nobgul | Ah to bad, engineering comes in handy lol |
| 23:06.12 | jnwhiteh | I could offer both I suppose! |
| 23:06.17 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: does it? |
| 23:06.18 | Lulia | I already did it, jnwhiteh |
| 23:06.18 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 23:06.21 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: don't do what? |
| 23:06.29 | Shirik | don't buy it |
| 23:06.33 | Lulia | On mine anyways, just because the old arrow sort of annoyedm e :P |
| 23:06.33 | Shirik | waste of money |
| 23:06.34 | jnwhiteh | why not? |
| 23:06.40 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/Es5kkv0p |
| 23:06.52 | Shirik | I don't really find it useful |
| 23:06.52 | Lulia | I figured I'd give it to you though, jnwhiteh, in case you wanted to add options |
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| 23:06.58 | Shirik | it's convenient, but you can deal without it |
| 23:07.02 | Primer | the traveling mamoth? |
| 23:07.06 | xqo | when i load the game, the frame is movable regardless of what i set the XqoFocus_Draggable variable to before i quit |
| 23:07.08 | Kraps | ~lolrik |
| 23:07.09 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: hrm |
| 23:07.12 | Shirik | probably the money is more useful being used to help level professions once cata comes out |
| 23:07.21 | jnwhiteh | yeah i suppose |
| 23:07.21 | Primer | I have one, but it's on my least-used toon now, my former main |
| 23:07.30 | Nobgul | you have to close addon loaded 0_o |
| 23:07.32 | jnwhiteh | although professions are such a ridiculous timesink |
| 23:07.51 | xqo | what Nobgul? |
| 23:07.55 | Shirik | but they give you benefits which are usable during a fight |
| 23:07.57 | xqo | ;? |
| 23:07.58 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 23:07.59 | Shirik | unlike the mammoth |
| 23:08.00 | Fisker | did you see it? |
| 23:08.02 | Nobgul | I dunno, I am not paying attention lol |
| 23:08.14 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: what is a good daily circuit? |
| 23:08.54 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: idk, the tourny? you'll want to kill yourself after 2 weeks though |
| 23:09.10 | jnwhiteh | I did that grind sooo fucking long ago |
| 23:09.10 | xqo | i think whats wrong is in OnLoad or OnEvent somewhere, but i dont know what |
| 23:09.16 | jnwhiteh | i suppose I could just do quests |
| 23:09.18 | jnwhiteh | there so many I haven't done |
| 23:09.22 | Nobgul | You can do icecrown dailies |
| 23:09.23 | jnwhiteh | and I could go for loremaster |
| 23:09.26 | jnwhiteh | in the long term |
| 23:09.28 | Nobgul | I think its 400g for a full run |
| 23:09.40 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: the tourney dailies? |
| 23:09.45 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: The argent tourny quests can be completed in about 30 mins and pay handsomely. |
| 23:09.47 | Lulia | xqo: Use print statements in your code to find out what is running, etc... |
| 23:09.51 | Primer | You should have done what I did. A ton of GKPs :) |
| 23:09.53 | Nobgul | Naw the other ones. on the ship etc |
| 23:09.54 | Primer | I ran them |
| 23:10.05 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: i've never done them even once! |
| 23:10.06 | Nobgul | gdkp's |
| 23:10.12 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh, !! |
| 23:10.19 | jnwhiteh | I've never quested in Icecrown |
| 23:10.21 | jnwhiteh | just the tourney |
| 23:10.22 | Primer | we call them GKPs |
| 23:10.35 | Primer | The term is credited for having started on my realm too :) |
| 23:10.44 | jnwhiteh | GKPs? |
| 23:10.44 | Nobgul | There is a addon tourguide, it has a pack to guide you through the dailies in icecrown. Comes in handy your first few times |
| 23:10.57 | Nobgul | Primer, GDKP's on my server go 4/12 bosses lol |
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| 23:11.04 | Primer | jnwhiteh: Raids where items are bid on for gold |
| 23:11.13 | Nobgul | And at the end all the gold is split up |
| 23:11.18 | Primer | Nobgul: we had one running every week that was 8/12 heroic, full clear |
| 23:11.21 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 23:11.31 | Nobgul | Nice. What realm u on? |
| 23:11.33 | jnwhiteh | neat |
| 23:11.36 | Primer | Gorgonnash |
| 23:11.56 | Nobgul | I really need to move realms, mine is depressing. |
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| 23:12.21 | Xinhuan | primer, you from blackrock? |
| 23:12.25 | Xyphoid | gathering in cataclysm will probably be the easiest money source for a bit at release |
| 23:12.26 | Lulia | If you have any other ideas for a rotational arrow, jnwhiteh, I could probably do those too, at least it's only one image >.> |
| 23:12.34 | Primer | Xinhuan: no, Gorgonnash |
| 23:12.43 | Xinhuan | cos it definitely didn't start on your server |
| 23:12.49 | Primer | meh, I have no idea |
| 23:12.55 | Nobgul | I have already made a ton off gathering cata fish |
| 23:12.59 | Xinhuan | korean servers started it first |
| 23:12.59 | Primer | all I know is if you google for it, some site claims it did |
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| 23:13.08 | Xinhuan | then an addon author converted the addon to english |
| 23:13.16 | Xinhuan | and the first time it was used was on Blackrock |
| 23:13.18 | xqo | can i check for the event ADDON_LOADED in <OnLoad>? |
| 23:13.27 | syrae | GDKPs are Korean in origin. |
| 23:13.42 | Primer | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GKP |
| 23:13.49 | xqo | wait, i mean <OnLoad> registers the event, and then <OnEvent> checks for ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:13.53 | Xinhuan | yeah whatever it says there is probably wrong |
| 23:13.53 | xqo | does that work |
| 23:14.23 | Primer | all I know is that many people who transfer to Gorg claim the same thing: "I've never heard of GKP til I got here." |
| 23:14.40 | Xinhuan | GKP was started during about black temple on blackrock |
| 23:14.45 | Xinhuan | did you have gkp before then? |
| 23:14.51 | foxlit | I find your acronym strange. |
| 23:14.59 | Lulia | It's on my server too, Primer, so meh |
| 23:15.11 | Nobgul | It is on alot of servers |
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| 23:15.12 | Lulia | Though it's usually called GDKP |
| 23:15.19 | Xinhuan | GDKPs weren't widespread until Tyrian from blackrock spread it to elitist jerks forums |
| 23:15.19 | Primer | Xinhuan: I don't doubt you, I'm just quoting that site |
| 23:15.27 | Xinhuan | then EJ forums spread the practice |
| 23:15.49 | Xinhuan | just want to set that straight! |
| 23:16.58 | Lulia | God, I've got an awful headache |
| 23:17.07 | Nobgul | eh |
| 23:18.16 | xqo | !api getpos |
| 23:18.16 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getpos': Model:GetPosition, GetPossessInfo |
| 23:18.24 | xqo | !api getpoint |
| 23:18.25 | lua_bot | Region:GetPoint: Returns information about one of the region's anchor points (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/GetPoint) |
| 23:18.25 | Xinhuan | its only called gdkp because its based on zero-sum dkp, and you use your gold as your dkp |
| 23:18.56 | Xinhuan | but in korea, it really is just "bidding with gold and putting it into a pot to be shared" |
| 23:19.13 | Xinhuan | it only simplifies explanation to call it zero-sum but you use gold instead |
| 23:19.37 | foxlit | next up: what type of bidding? |
| 23:19.43 | Xinhuan | /raid |
| 23:19.51 | Xinhuan | usually increments of at least 100g |
| 23:20.01 | foxlit | english auctions, then? |
| 23:20.26 | Xinhuan | well you outbid each other in raid chat until nobody bids for 5 (addon can set this) seconds |
| 23:20.44 | Xinhuan | addon just detects (%d+) in chat and prints a countdown every second |
| 23:20.51 | Xinhuan | with the current highest bid |
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| 23:21.35 | Xinhuan | then it also keeps track of the cumulative bids to split among 25 ppl |
| 23:22.18 | Xinhuan | so tldr, its "open bidding" |
| 23:23.21 | xqo | !api quit |
| 23:23.21 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'quit': ForceQuit, Quit, PLAYER_QUITING |
| 23:23.33 | xqo | !api PLAYER_QUITTING |
| 23:23.33 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'PLAYER_QUITTING'. |
| 23:23.41 | xqo | !api PLAYER_QUITING |
| 23:23.41 | lua_bot | PLAYER_QUITING: Fires when the player attempts to exit WoW while not in a major city, inn, or other "resting" area (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_QUITING) |
| 23:24.16 | Xinhuan | why would you need that xqo |
| 23:24.34 | xqo | when is the best time to save the position of a frame? |
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| 23:24.45 | Xinhuan | when you finish moving it |
| 23:24.52 | xqo | hey, clever! |
| 23:24.53 | xqo | thanks |
| 23:24.57 | Fisker | i once killed a Xinhuan |
| 23:25.10 | Xinhuan | i.e right after every :StopMovingOrSizing() call |
| 23:25.32 | Lulia | You can see it in the function I pasted, xqo |
| 23:25.42 | Lulia | That's what the other stuff was doing, sans the cursor stuff |
| 23:25.46 | airtonix | Fisker, you can't. No lube |
| 23:25.53 | xqo | oh ye. thanks! |
| 23:26.19 | Fisker | i can airtonix |
| 23:26.39 | airtonix | Did it hurt? |
| 23:29.31 | ckknight | I am unsatisfied with the Blizzard objectives tracker. What's a good addon that will replace and/or improve it? |
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| 23:29.54 | Lulia | I plan on making one after Power Bars if there isn't a good one |
| 23:30.18 | ckknight | what's power bars? |
| 23:30.20 | foxlit | ckknight: what do you want, though? |
| 23:30.42 | ckknight | foxlit: ah, I dunno |
| 23:30.50 | Xinhuan | do you know you can right click on the quests in Blizzard's objectives tracker to get more options? |
| 23:31.04 | Xinhuan | i bet almost nobody knows this |
| 23:31.18 | Lulia | I found out earlier today, Xinhuan |
| 23:31.19 | ckknight | how do I make it taller? |
| 23:31.24 | Lulia | It's awful and unintuitive that they put it there |
| 23:31.37 | Lulia | Which is one of the reasons I plan on making a replacement in an addon |
| 23:31.39 | Xinhuan | oh it isn't unintuitive - its just that its new in 4.0 |
| 23:31.48 | Xinhuan | so nobody thought to try right clicking |
| 23:31.53 | Xinhuan | since it didn't do anything before 4.0 |
| 23:31.53 | foxlit | I was sure that worked before, too :/ |
| 23:31.56 | Lulia | It should highlight |
| 23:32.00 | Lulia | Or there should be an arrow |
| 23:32.07 | foxlit | You could click on something, for sure. |
| 23:32.08 | Lulia | There's nothing that even indicates that it's clickable |
| 23:32.16 | Lulia | And left clicking does nothing too |
| 23:32.19 | Xinhuan | but it does highlight |
| 23:32.23 | Xinhuan | the grey text becomes white |
| 23:32.27 | Xinhuan | on mouseover |
| 23:32.36 | Lulia | For quests |
| 23:32.39 | foxlit | In short, I didn't have a problem figuring out I could right click for options. |
| 23:32.42 | Lulia | I'm talking about the Objectives options |
| 23:32.50 | Lulia | The title itself doesn't highlight on a mouseover |
| 23:33.07 | xqo | the ADDON_LOADED event isnt being worked by my OnEvent-function |
| 23:33.17 | Lulia | Is it registered? |
| 23:33.27 | xqo | sorry, its being worked |
| 23:33.34 | xqo | wait |
| 23:33.36 | xqo | nvm. |
| 23:33.41 | Xinhuan | use lots of print() commands |
| 23:33.48 | Xinhuan | use it to print variable contents |
| 23:34.01 | Xinhuan | or even print(1) print(2) just to see if a function or code path got called |
| 23:34.14 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=4699#comments - so it wasn't just me that thought it was excessive... |
| 23:35.04 | Lulia | lol |
| 23:35.05 | nicoli_s | i remember back when you had no idea how much hp stuff had |
| 23:35.33 | xqo | !api ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:35.33 | lua_bot | ADDON_LOADED: Fires when an addon and its saved variables are loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ADDON_LOADED) |
| 23:35.44 | foxlit | nicoli_s: uphill. both ways. in snow. |
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| 23:35.55 | foxlit | Hm, about that. |
| 23:36.04 | foxlit | I recently needed to defer some initialization until /all/ addons loaded. |
| 23:36.06 | nicoli_s | hell i also remember getting wow to run on a 400 mhz pentium 2 |
| 23:36.12 | foxlit | Any good way to figure out when that happens? |
| 23:36.16 | nicoli_s | while devving a server emu |
| 23:36.27 | Xinhuan | use VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 23:36.53 | foxlit | Xinhuan: is that even related to addons nowadays? |
| 23:37.08 | Xinhuan | well you just wanted an event that occurs after all addons have loaded right? |
| 23:37.11 | xqo | ADDON_LOADED's argument is always nil |
| 23:37.14 | xqo | sup with that? |
| 23:37.18 | Xinhuan | its reliable in that sense |
| 23:37.19 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.24 | Xinhuan | or the very first P_E_W and unregister it |
| 23:37.25 | foxlit | xqo: you fail at argument passing :) |
| 23:37.28 | Shirik | I agree with Cide |
| 23:37.48 | syrae | ... |
| 23:37.52 | syrae | wow. I fail |
| 23:37.53 | Xinhuan | xqo, you defined the argument as arg0 in your function definition if i remember correctly? :p |
| 23:37.59 | foxlit | Hm, yes. I was fishing for PEW, actually, unless there's something better. I wonder if PL fires at any particular time. |
| 23:38.03 | Xinhuan | rather than arg1 |
| 23:38.04 | Fisker | once upon a Shirik |
| 23:38.09 | syrae | It didn't even occur to me to unregister for an event after I got what I needed |
| 23:38.21 | xqo | its function OnEvent(event, arg0). Event[1:2] is nil, Event is ADDON_LOADED, arg0 is nil |
| 23:38.26 | Xinhuan | PLAYER_LOGIN fires after the layout-cache.txt has applied, foxlit |
| 23:38.31 | Xinhuan | which is also after all addons have loaded |
| 23:38.32 | Shirik | I disagree, xqo |
| 23:38.42 | Shirik | I also disagree with your naming a variable "arg0" but that's another story |
| 23:38.48 | Kandoko | For the yellow icons that show up for gather based tracking, there supposed to flash now right? |
| 23:39.21 | Xinhuan | xqo, go insert a print(event, arg0) statement |
| 23:39.22 | foxlit | Xinhuan: and if there is no layout cache, I wonder? |
| 23:39.34 | Xinhuan | then that file gets skipped |
| 23:39.42 | xqo | yeah Xinhuan, print(event, arg0, arg1) gives ADDON_LOADED nil nil |
| 23:39.42 | Xinhuan | and the event occurs anyway |
| 23:39.52 | xqo | for all my addons |
| 23:40.05 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 23:40.11 | Shirik | and if you make me fire up wow right now and test it and you're wrong |
| 23:40.11 | Xinhuan | ok how are you assigning your function OnEvent to your frame? |
| 23:40.14 | Shirik | I'm going to hurt you |
| 23:40.28 | Xinhuan | your frame has a <OnEvent> right? |
| 23:40.33 | nicoli_s | holy crap that invisible kinect hack is awesome |
| 23:40.37 | Xinhuan | are you calling OnEvent(event) |
| 23:40.48 | Xinhuan | or OnEvent(event, ...) |
| 23:41.07 | xqo | <frame><OnLoad><statusbar><OnEvent></Frame> |
| 23:41.13 | xqo | you know what, let me pastebin |
| 23:41.19 | Shirik | that... doesn't even make any sense |
| 23:41.30 | Xinhuan | you didn't pass the 2nd argument onwards |
| 23:41.31 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/Ly0RvmRw |
| 23:41.32 | Xinhuan | that's why its nil |
| 23:41.49 | Xinhuan | XquFrame_OnEvent(event, arg1) ----> change to |
| 23:41.51 | Xinhuan | XquFrame_OnEvent(event, ...) |
| 23:42.06 | Cide | or just ... |
| 23:42.08 | Cide | like you should |
| 23:42.13 | Shirik | ^ |
| 23:42.15 | Xinhuan | oh yeah |
| 23:42.21 | Cide | or just :SetScript() like you REALLY should |
| 23:42.22 | Xinhuan | should be XquFrame_OnEvent(...) |
| 23:42.48 | Xinhuan | wait i still think i'm correct XquFrame_OnEvent(event, ...) |
| 23:43.01 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 23:43.02 | Cide | possibly |
| 23:43.07 | Xinhuan | "event" is explicitly defined by the OnEvent handler script |
| 23:43.09 | Shirik | is it? |
| 23:43.13 | Shirik | Well XML is evil anyway |
| 23:43.16 | Cide | depends on the internal function definition |
| 23:43.30 | xqo | local a,b,c=select(2,...) |
| 23:43.32 | xqo | ? |
| 23:43.34 | Shirik | NOOO |
| 23:43.37 | Shirik | cries |
| 23:43.37 | Cide | local a, b, c = LEARN LUA |
| 23:43.46 | xqo | oh... |
| 23:43.57 | Xinhuan | just change line 37 |
| 23:43.59 | Xinhuan | in your paste |
| 23:44.00 | Xinhuan | to |
| 23:44.03 | Xinhuan | XquFrame_OnEvent(event, ...) |
| 23:44.08 | Shirik | xqo: Every time you use select, god kills a kitten |
| 23:44.15 | xqo | oh, sorry. |
| 23:44.30 | xqo | and then function XquFrame_OnEvent(event, ? |
| 23:44.37 | Xinhuan | the function itself is fine |
| 23:44.45 | Shirik | No |
| 23:44.47 | Shirik | Explicitly write ... |
| 23:44.53 | Shirik | that's not just Xinhuan being short |
| 23:44.55 | Shirik | actually write that |
| 23:45.09 | Xinhuan | 3 dots is a special variable name |
| 23:45.11 | Shirik | well Xinhuan is short but that's not the point |
| 23:45.18 | Xinhuan | that represents an unknown amount of input arguments |
| 23:45.41 | Xinhuan | you will want to read the Lua manual for more about it |
| 23:46.20 | Shirik | ... is an awesome construct that lets 2+2 = 3 |
| 23:46.31 | Cide | you still need to properly implement ...@ shirik |
| 23:46.53 | Cide | with proper slicing syntax à la python |
| 23:46.57 | Lulia | uh what? |
| 23:47.04 | Lulia | ...@? :P |
| 23:47.08 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:47.16 | Shirik | I implemented a Lua extension that lets you do ...[n] |
| 23:47.21 | Shirik | to get the nth element out of ... |
| 23:47.30 | Shirik | But we want to change it to @ to improve its functionality |
| 23:47.43 | Shirik | that way you can also do something like foo()@3 |
| 23:47.54 | Shirik | you can't do foo()[3] because that means something already |
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| 23:47.59 | Cide | and foo()@2:5:-1 |
| 23:48.08 | Cide | yessss |
| 23:48.15 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 23:48.22 | Shirik | I don't think that's LL(1) compliant |
| 23:48.35 | Shirik | in fact it's ambiguous |
| 23:48.39 | Cide | could introduce parentheses |
| 23:48.41 | Xinhuan | plus : already has meaning |
| 23:48.53 | Cide | that shouldn't matter |
| 23:49.00 | Cide | the context would decide |
| 23:49.11 | Shirik | My issue is something like |
| 23:49.11 | foxlit | reserve "select," problem solved. |
| 23:49.18 | Shirik | meh |
| 23:49.23 | Shirik | but that's kinda a hack imo |
| 23:49.59 | foxlit | You may also enjoy [3](...) |
| 23:50.11 | Cide | too backwards |
| 23:50.40 | *** join/#wowuidev AndoBot (~blockland@92.9.140.38) |
| 23:50.42 | Shirik | Let's just take a page from the book of C# and reserve 500 keywords |
| 23:50.49 | Shirik | first in ... |
| 23:50.51 | Shirik | second in ... |
| 23:50.53 | AndoBot | hi |
| 23:50.53 | Shirik | third in ... |
| 23:51.04 | Shirik | But these will only be keywords when we have a ... |
| 23:51.08 | Shirik | everywhere else it's ok |
| 23:51.08 | AndoBot | :S |
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| 23:51.17 | Shirik | except when we use @ in which case it's ok to always use them as a variable |
| 23:51.27 | AndoBot | hey can you lend me a hand? |
| 23:51.30 | Shirik | hi AndoBot |
| 23:51.34 | Shirik | I think you are not a bot |
| 23:51.37 | AndoBot | nope |
| 23:51.42 | AndoBot | im not a bot |
| 23:51.43 | AndoBot | long story |
| 23:51.47 | AndoBot | :P |
| 23:51.55 | Xinhuan | i like long stories |
| 23:52.01 | syrae | OH GOD... I AM SURROUNDED BY BOTS |
| 23:52.03 | xqo | !api enter |
| 23:52.04 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'enter': ENTERED_DIFFERENT_INSTANCE_FROM_PARTY, UNIT_ENTERING_VEHICLE, UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE, PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT, PLAYER_ENTERING_BATTLEGROUND, COMMENTATOR_ENTER_WORLD, BATTLEFIELD_MGR_ENTERED, Region:GetCenter, GOSSIP_ENTER_CODE, CommentatorEnterInstance, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 23:52.06 | AndoBot | XD |
| 23:52.11 | xqo | !api PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 23:52.11 | lua_bot | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD: Fired when the player enters the world, reloads the UI, enters/leaves an instance or battleground, or respawns at a graveyard. Also fires any other time the player sees a loading screen (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD) |
| 23:52.26 | AndoBot | well |
| 23:52.28 | AndoBot | what help i need |
| 23:52.30 | foxlit | syrae: you're not in trouble until they go "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" |
| 23:52.33 | AndoBot | is how to get a Addon |
| 23:52.37 | AndoBot | to read a webpage |
| 23:52.41 | AndoBot | and |
| 23:52.41 | Lulia | Wait, what would foo()@3 do? O.o |
| 23:52.50 | syrae | foxlit: heh |
| 23:52.53 | Xinhuan | i'm afraid no addon can access any data outside the game |
| 23:52.56 | Shirik | get the third element out of foo() |
| 23:52.58 | AndoBot | oh |
| 23:52.59 | AndoBot | :C |
| 23:53.01 | Xinhuan | especially not in real time |
| 23:53.02 | Shirik | third return value |
| 23:53.11 | AndoBot | wait really? |
| 23:53.11 | Xinhuan | it is primarily to prevent botting |
| 23:53.15 | AndoBot | wowhead did:S |
| 23:53.20 | Shirik | no it didn't |
| 23:53.23 | Xinhuan | wowhead doesn't do it real time |
| 23:53.25 | Shirik | it downloaded that ahead of time |
| 23:53.27 | Shirik | and put it in the code |
| 23:53.37 | Shirik | that's why the addon was so huge |
| 23:53.43 | AndoBot | well i mean download it ahead of time |
| 23:53.53 | AndoBot | i just need it to read a few lines of text |
| 23:53.54 | Shirik | well then it has nothing to do with the addon |
| 23:54.04 | bleeter | wat |
| 23:54.04 | Xinhuan | you need a 3rd party utility to do that |
| 23:54.12 | AndoBot | oh |
| 23:54.13 | AndoBot | :S |
| 23:54.17 | AndoBot | well |
| 23:54.19 | AndoBot | ty then |
| 23:54.24 | AndoBot | thats all i needed |
| 23:54.28 | Xinhuan | it will need to access teh webpage, then save the data in the correct format in the wtf\.......\savedvariables\ |
| 23:54.35 | Xinhuan | so that the addon can read it when loaded |
| 23:54.50 | Xinhuan | and the addon only loads saved data at login or ui-reload |
| 23:54.57 | Xinhuan | and you cannot force this |
| 23:55.07 | AndoBot | i dont want it at real time |
| 23:55.14 | AndoBot | that method would be nice |
| 23:55.22 | xqo | fuck |
| 23:55.22 | Xinhuan | that's how everyone does it |
| 23:55.22 | xqo | yes |
| 23:55.23 | xqo | it |
| 23:55.24 | xqo | is |
| 23:55.24 | xqo | done |
| 23:55.25 | xqo | ! |
| 23:55.29 | AndoBot | TELL ME |
| 23:55.31 | Xinhuan | because its the only way |
| 23:55.38 | AndoBot | how do i do it |
| 23:55.40 | foxlit | lua> lua> f = 2; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = (f - 16)/439208192231179800; print(f); |
| 23:55.40 | Xinhuan | we did read up 20 lines |
| 23:55.40 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: '=' expected near '>' |
| 23:55.44 | Lulia | Excellent, xqo |
| 23:55.46 | Shirik | xqo, that's a good way to get EDI ban you from the channel |
| 23:55.49 | foxlit | lua> f = 2; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = (f - 16)/439208192231179800; print(f); |
| 23:55.50 | lua_bot | foxlit: 42 |
| 23:56.35 | foxlit | Hrm. |
| 23:57.01 | Shirik | is 42 wrong? |
| 23:57.03 | Shirik | I think it's right |
| 23:57.18 | bleeter | is 42 ever wrong? |
| 23:57.21 | foxlit | Of course it's right. Is 42 ever wrong? |
| 23:57.22 | Shirik | nope |
| 23:57.34 | Xinhuan | i can simplify that code |
| 23:57.39 | foxlit | The fun part is that it requires more bits than lua should have. |
| 23:57.41 | Xinhuan | print(42) |
| 23:57.42 | Xinhuan | i win |
| 23:57.48 | Nobgul | lol |
| 23:57.49 | Shirik | lua> f = 2; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = (f - 16)/439208192231179800; print(f, f == 42); |
| 23:57.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: 42, true |
| 23:58.17 | bleeter | Xinhuan: u r so leet |
| 23:58.21 | Cide | that's hilarious |
| 23:58.23 | Xinhuan | lua> f = 2; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = (f - 16); print(f) |
| 23:58.23 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.844674407371e+19 |
| 23:58.28 | Shirik | foxlit, why? |
| 23:58.32 | Shirik | That number is easy to represent |
| 23:58.38 | Lulia | Shirik, can your lua extension take multiple arguments? |
| 23:58.44 | Shirik | 1.0 x 2^128? |
| 23:58.55 | Xinhuan | lua> f = 2; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f * f; f = f/439208192231179800; print(f, f == 42); |
| 23:58.55 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 42, true |
| 23:59.04 | Xinhuan | i think the -16 is superfluous |
| 23:59.13 | Nobgul | lua> print(21+21) |
| 23:59.14 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 42 |
| 23:59.18 | Xinhuan | it definitely doesn't have enough bits |
| 23:59.19 | Xinhuan | for that |
| 23:59.28 | Shirik | Yes the -16 I agree with |
| 23:59.45 | Shirik | oh I see what he's trying to do now |
