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| 00:07.40 | Kraps | Bashiok is proven insane http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/138694/its-wows-6th-anniversary-and-all-i-got-was |
| 00:15.19 | A-KO | sigh |
| 00:15.22 | A-KO | I hate legal matters :P |
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| 00:17.49 | A-KO | anyone here a lawyer? :P |
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| 00:19.01 | bluspacecow | *hides* |
| 00:22.01 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127159591?page=1#1 |
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| 00:22.28 | syrae | A-KO: even if someone was a lawyer, they wouldn't want to provide legal advice because they are not your lawyer and may not be well versed in the details of your problem or your particular location's laws |
| 00:22.46 | A-KO | this is true :P |
| 00:28.07 | bluspacecow | <-------- was holding the authenticator upside down |
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| 00:43.19 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5702671/the-inception-video-game-is-still-happening |
| 00:43.47 | Adys | the awesome things in wow: winning an AB where the horde has three times the HKs the alliance has |
| 00:44.13 | Jerub | at least you weren't holding it in your mouth |
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| 00:48.30 | Primer | Esamynn|Away: Are you ever NOT away? |
| 00:48.38 | Primer | Was hoping to talk about Astrolabe |
| 00:50.57 | Primer | Today the 6 year old nvidia 6200 TurboCache (AKA TurboCrap) card in my box here at work died, so I had to put the only card available here in, a 2 year old ATI. Went to play WoW in wine (I only have Linux at work)...and despite having the accelerated driver installed and working...it just hangs |
| 00:51.15 | Primer | hate ATI so much |
| 00:51.28 | Kraps | Burn Notice is in its 4th season? |
| 00:51.46 | Jerub | Primer: feel for me? i'm on intel grpahics. |
| 00:51.51 | Jerub | which is a total non-starter for wow |
| 00:51.53 | Jerub | in win |
| 00:51.54 | Jerub | er wine. |
| 00:52.08 | Primer | I thought the intel drive was open sores |
| 00:52.18 | Primer | and "worked" |
| 00:52.35 | Jerub | Primer: yes, but they don't support, in wine, some of the graphics extensions that wow uses. |
| 00:52.44 | Primer | Jerub: ahh |
| 00:53.05 | Jerub | so becasue of a dx effect that was uesd on the start screen and on the glyph screen (only two places) you can't run wow in wine :P |
| 00:53.19 | Primer | So anyone here know about the new Astrolabe for Cata? It seems it should be usable now, as LibMapData seems to be outdated with the new zone ids |
| 00:53.31 | Primer | I presume this to be the case. I haven't investigated fully |
| 00:53.37 | Adys | Kraps: yes |
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| 02:04.00 | bluspacecow | ~lastseen elkano |
| 02:04.04 | A-KO | http://www.break.com/index/november-fail-compilation-1960475 |
| 02:04.09 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 02:04.13 | bluspacecow | i gots it wrong agains |
| 02:04.15 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:05.29 | Jerub | this is probably fake, but far out. |
| 02:05.30 | Jerub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAIY0I5GGw4 |
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| 02:17.51 | Thunder_Child | ~seen Elkano |
| 02:17.52 | purl | elkano <~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 7m 59s ago, saying: 'oh ^^'. |
| 02:19.30 | bluspacecow | yeah i got it thanks thunder |
| 02:19.38 | bluspacecow | private messaged purl directly |
| 02:19.55 | bluspacecow | to save the channel from me consulting purl's help outputs |
| 02:24.46 | Thunder_Child | doing ~help wont output to channel, only to /msg |
| 02:24.50 | |Jelly| | Directions on how to get killed by Deathwing? gogo |
| 02:25.09 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 02:25.20 | Dagmar | He has to show up somewhere first. |
| 02:25.23 | bluspacecow | @jelly i hear covering yourself in butter and salt haleps |
| 02:25.33 | Thunder_Child | pe peanutbutter |
| 02:25.36 | Thunder_Child | or* |
| 02:25.45 | |Jelly| | Hmmmm |
| 02:26.00 | bluspacecow | nah peanut butters all gammy death wing hates that |
| 02:26.02 | |Jelly| | Where might I acquire butter? |
| 02:26.31 | Dagmar | You combine an engineer-made butter churn with a gnome. |
| 02:26.31 | Thunder_Child | but it's peanut butter and jelly then.... |
| 02:26.48 | |Jelly| | Ok, but really. :P |
| 02:34.10 | Thunder_Child | |Jelly|: there isnt, it's random |
| 02:34.23 | |Jelly| | sad times |
| 02:34.32 | Thunder_Child | and he only does some sort of strip of death, not the whole zone like it sounded |
| 02:34.39 | |Jelly| | weak |
| 02:35.08 | bluspacecow | and he if you do not die from it you dont get the achieve |
| 02:35.14 | bluspacecow | so camp out by a cliff you can jump off |
| 02:35.37 | Dagmar | I'd have really thought by now I'd have seen him |
| 02:37.23 | Mirrormn | is he even active yet? |
| 02:37.35 | Dagmar | I don't think he is |
| 02:37.52 | Dagmar | I've been all up and down Eastern Kingdoms and haven' seen or heard of him around |
| 02:37.54 | |Jelly| | My roomie died earlier while making glyphs |
| 02:38.13 | Mirrormn | should I do some coding, or play Mass Effect 2? |
| 02:38.27 | |Jelly| | the latter, definitely |
| 02:38.32 | Thunder_Child | code while playing ME2 |
| 02:38.44 | smcn | for charity |
| 02:38.48 | Mirrormn | I tried that last night, it did not work well |
| 02:38.51 | Thunder_Child | underwater |
| 02:38.59 | Rockso | does anyone want to borrow me a us wow account? |
| 02:39.07 | Mirrormn | "lend" |
| 02:39.13 | Dagmar | lol |
| 02:39.35 | Mirrormn | the lender lends to the borrower, who borrows from the lender |
| 02:39.37 | Mirrormn | -.- |
| 02:39.40 | airtonix | good hair remover |
| 02:39.43 | Dagmar | Who then spams to sell gold |
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| 02:41.23 | Mirrormn | also, I'm not sure it's possible to lend a wow account; seems like you either give away your account info or you don't |
| 02:41.38 | A-KO | it's now tied to all of your blizzard games so |
| 02:41.39 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was to post on the us forums |
| 02:41.45 | Thunder_Child | but thats just me |
| 02:42.06 | airtonix | Mirrormn, play fallout3 instead |
| 02:42.17 | Mirrormn | finished fallout3 |
| 02:42.19 | Mirrormn | it was good |
| 02:42.24 | airtonix | mass effect will just make you regret you dont have lube |
| 02:42.32 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 02:43.31 | Arrowmaster | hes been trolling with that for a few days now |
| 02:43.42 | Mirrormn | I don't get it |
| 02:44.16 | Mirrormn | "trolling" is not simply saying a thing that doesn't make sense |
| 02:44.27 | Mirrormn | trolling is a art =/ |
| 02:44.35 | Thunder_Child | well just because it doesnt make sense to you..... |
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| 02:47.23 | Cairenn | anyone in here using a @hotmail account? |
| 02:47.45 | airtonix | i will never admit |
| 02:47.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anybody would |
| 02:48.29 | Cairenn | just need someone to check their account for me, see if they can connect - daughter can't, so trying to figure out if it's on her/our end or if it's actually down |
| 02:48.49 | batrick | traceroute Cairenn |
| 02:49.00 | Cairenn | suppose I could do that, too ;) |
| 02:49.03 | Arrowmaster | im connected to MSN currently |
| 02:49.16 | Arrowmaster | sorry, "Windows Live" |
| 02:49.22 | Cairenn | nod |
| 02:49.24 | airtonix | is it live ? |
| 02:49.25 | Arrowmaster | fuckers keep changing the name |
| 02:49.36 | Cairenn | I am too, but it isn't a hotmail account, it's my rogers account |
| 02:50.00 | Arrowmaster | im on with a hotmail account, although the email portion of that hotmail account doesnt exist anymore |
| 02:50.08 | airtonix | don't they proxy requests to different ips to balance load ? |
| 02:51.13 | bluspacecow | us account caireenn ? |
| 02:51.28 | bluspacecow | what server ? |
| 02:52.09 | Cairenn | yeah, it's out somewhere along the line, got 6 returns and now timing out |
| 02:52.34 | bluspacecow | did she get the 150 MB mini patch thing y ? |
| 02:52.45 | Seerah | bluspacecow: grats on green text :) |
| 02:52.55 | bluspacecow | ty seerah |
| 02:52.56 | bluspacecow | erm |
| 02:53.06 | bluspacecow | im holding my authenticator upsiade down again |
| 02:53.11 | bluspacecow | upside down |
| 02:53.12 | Cairenn | bluspacecow: no idea |
| 02:53.37 | bluspacecow | open the launcher see if downloads some stuffs |
| 02:54.02 | Arrowmaster | read up more |
| 02:54.10 | Arrowmaster | not talking about wow |
| 02:54.14 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 02:54.15 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: i'm timing out on a ping to hotmail.com |
| 02:54.16 | bluspacecow | fail |
| 02:54.21 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: nod |
| 02:54.50 | Thunder_Child | huh...but i can connect to it via http |
| 02:54.52 | bluspacecow | http://www.downornot.com/hotmail |
| 02:54.57 | Cairenn | we just took a look at is it up, and it's saying that it's been down for 2-3 hrs |
| 02:54.59 | Thunder_Child | maybe they block icmp |
| 02:56.09 | Thunder_Child | besides, it gets redirected to https://login.live.com for me |
| 02:59.16 | airtonix | lives to loginto Thunder_Child |
| 02:59.36 | Arrowmaster | oh god the onscreen english text in this anime is horrible |
| 02:59.41 | Arrowmaster | 'access inposible' |
| 02:59.54 | airtonix | :( |
| 03:00.40 | Xinhuan | Primer: libmapdata contains data for both pre-4.0.3a and post-4.0.3a |
| 03:00.49 | Xinhuan | and should work seamlessly with both without any updates |
| 03:01.10 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, could be worse |
| 03:01.23 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: this came up the other day, what version is china on? |
| 03:01.35 | Xinhuan | i don't know but china shouldn't be using it |
| 03:01.45 | Arrowmaster | 3.5.5? |
| 03:01.52 | Xinhuan | they should be using 3.x versions of addons |
| 03:01.57 | Xinhuan | whatever it is they are on |
| 03:02.05 | Xinhuan | and can easily download old zips |
| 03:06.52 | Shirik | Anyone good with ssh tunneling? |
| 03:07.05 | Shirik | I want to do an ssh tunnel for ventrilo (someone needs a port forwarded) |
| 03:07.15 | pantsninja | Shirik: I can dig tunnels pretty quietly if I have to |
| 03:07.16 | Jerub | Shirik: yeah, i know about it. |
| 03:07.35 | Shirik | Someone's trying to get around an ISP firewall |
| 03:08.15 | Jerub | Shirik: okay, get them to do this invokation of ssh tunnel: ssh user@hostname -L 10000:ventserver:3456 |
| 03:08.32 | Shirik | wtf is -L |
| 03:08.32 | Jerub | then configure his vent client to connect to localhost on port 10000 |
| 03:08.35 | Jerub | Listen |
| 03:09.01 | Jerub | that will send all the vent traffic via ssh to ventserver on 3456 |
| 03:09.15 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt it just be easier to setup ssh like a proxy |
| 03:10.04 | Jerub | does vent support socks? |
| 03:10.11 | Jerub | you can just ssh -D 9999 user@hostname |
| 03:10.16 | Jerub | and then do SOCKS4 against localhost 9999 |
| 03:10.21 | Arrowmaster | it would be rather shitty if it didnt |
| 03:10.42 | Jerub | we ARE talking about vent |
| 03:10.44 | Jerub | (use mumble, ffs) |
| 03:11.12 | SqueeG | i can't hear you! stop mumbling! |
| 03:11.13 | SqueeG | >.> |
| 03:11.17 | airtonix | gtfo |
| 03:11.25 | Jerub | oh hey, can i get an american to check something for me? |
| 03:11.26 | SqueeG | xD |
| 03:11.27 | airtonix | damn hippies |
| 03:11.40 | |Jelly| | I'm american! |
| 03:11.58 | Jerub | can you see if you can connect to the australian public mumble server 'games.on.net' that's in the public server list? |
| 03:12.18 | |Jelly| | Oh man. You want me to download and install stuff? |
| 03:12.19 | |Jelly| | Jeez. :P |
| 03:12.24 | Jerub | sorry, i'll ask on #mumble |
| 03:12.31 | |Jelly| | I was kidding :P |
| 03:12.40 | Aurorus | He was mumbling :P |
| 03:12.57 | airtonix | LAZY BASTARD! |
| 03:13.08 | airtonix | stop smoking pot |
| 03:13.50 | Jerub | i just want to know if it's a viable server for raiding with :P |
| 03:13.56 | Jerub | (it's run by my isp) |
| 03:14.09 | airtonix | stupid question is stupid |
| 03:14.15 | Aurorus | My (LotRO-based) guild is looking to change from Vent to Mumble |
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| 03:14.19 | Aurorus | it's excellent speech quality |
| 03:14.30 | Jerub | Aurorus: oh i know |
| 03:14.54 | Aurorus | Yeah - just gotta find a good Aussie host |
| 03:14.54 | Jerub | but my mates backup server i was using to run murmurd on has gone down, so i need another host. |
| 03:15.10 | Jerub | Aurorus: games.on.net has a public server. |
| 03:15.19 | Jerub | i'm just trying to find out what the restrictions are |
| 03:15.26 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/purchase/browse-detail.asp?start=1&menuId=42&laCode=ENGAU&class=five%20five-two%20five-two-two&subclass=&productId=303 |
| 03:15.44 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/purchase/browse-detail.asp?menuId=42&start=1&laCode=ENGAU&productId=228 |
| 03:16.37 | Jerub | airtonix: doublecheck how much ram will cost you on that. |
| 03:16.40 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/purchase/browse-detail.asp?start=1&menuId=42&laCode=ENGAU&class=five%20five-two%20five-two-two&subclass=&productId=267 |
| 03:16.43 | airtonix | might be better |
| 03:16.54 | airtonix | but i like more sata ports |
| 03:17.01 | airtonix | and i already have spare sodim ram |
| 03:17.05 | |Jelly| | Yes, |
| 03:17.07 | |Jelly| | I can connect |
| 03:17.07 | Jerub | oh, that's alright then |
| 03:17.17 | Jerub | |Jelly|: awesome. |
| 03:18.08 | Jerub | i'm going to advocate using that now i reckon |
| 03:18.12 | Jerub | until something better comes along |
| 03:18.34 | Jerub | airtonix: whereabouts are you located? |
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| 03:19.03 | Jerub | airtonix: i have a metric shitload of mini-itx systems i need to get rid of (they're effectively e-waste) |
| 03:19.15 | airtonix | adelaide |
| 03:19.24 | Jerub | i could post you a couple :P |
| 03:19.25 | Arrowmaster | anything that would make a good htpc? |
| 03:19.35 | Jerub | (i'm brisbane) |
| 03:19.51 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: htpc.. that's what? a tv-computer? |
| 03:20.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:20.05 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, maybe the asus at510nt-1 |
| 03:20.13 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: not enough space in the case for a tv card, so probably not |
| 03:20.55 | Jerub | airtonix: mini-itx with 2 ethernet ports and 512mb of ram, only two SATA ports and you have to use PCI expansion. so suitable for small NAS applications. |
| 03:20.58 | Jerub | (or a router) |
| 03:21.44 | Jerub | (via 1.5ghz usually) |
| 03:23.35 | airtonix | mm |
| 03:31.02 | Kraps | is there an FP in booty bay? |
| 03:31.32 | Kraps | nvm |
| 03:34.26 | Thunder_Child | "WANTED: IPAD ***New Or Used*** TOP CASH PAID!!! 3G Or 3G+WIFI!!! - $1000000 (Santa Monica)" *sigh* |
| 03:34.48 | Mirrormn | wat |
| 03:34.50 | Wobin | one... meeelllion dollars? |
| 03:35.31 | airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_30_394&products_id=15809 |
| 03:37.32 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2095-Blizzard-Product-Slate-Forum-Titles-Blizzcast-15-Blue-Posts |
| 03:37.58 | Jerub | airtonix: that's a really nice looking case. |
| 03:38.04 | Jerub | mmmsosexy |
| 03:39.03 | Mirrormn | I don't think I would classify that as an HTPC case at all |
| 03:39.06 | Mirrormn | but it is rather nice |
| 03:41.52 | airtonix | no its more a storage case |
| 03:42.01 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 03:42.33 | Mirrormn | imo an HTPC case is a much smaller form factor, and usually includes an integrated front display |
| 03:43.03 | airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_30_394&products_id=16066 |
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| 03:43.39 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-20x2-OEM |
| 03:44.14 | airtonix | fucking synergy |
| 03:44.25 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-256x64-Sideshow-CDROM-Bay |
| 03:44.28 | Mirrormn | VFDs are a better choice than LCDs imo |
| 03:44.38 | airtonix | have a link? |
| 03:45.40 | Mirrormn | something like http://www.directron.com/fp54b.html?gsear=1 |
| 03:45.47 | Mirrormn | they're just more stylish |
| 03:45.56 | Mirrormn | an LCD might be more practical honestly |
| 03:45.58 | airtonix | Jerub, lian-li also made a few mitx cases with slide out motherboard trays |
| 03:46.54 | airtonix | i bought one of those 256x64 picoLCDs |
| 03:47.00 | Jerub | airtonix: we have 40x2 character LCD displays in the front of all the machines i'm throwing away. |
| 03:47.11 | Mirrormn | LCD or VFD? |
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| 03:48.36 | airtonix | lol@starget bodysnatcher episode |
| 03:49.03 | Jamash | So I realized that I hate WoW gems, socketed items, gem colors, socket bonuses and pretty much everything about Jewelcrafting except metagems. |
| 03:49.20 | Mirrormn | why's that? |
| 03:49.50 | Jamash | Because instead of an item dropping and being better than what I have, a new item drop is worse than what I have until I gem it. |
| 03:50.17 | Mirrormn | hmm |
| 03:50.21 | Mirrormn | I actually like that |
| 03:50.27 | Jamash | I hate colors and socket bonuses because they encourage you to put the wrong gems in your items. |
| 03:51.00 | A-KO | I actually hate that |
| 03:51.03 | A-KO | I agree with Jamash |
| 03:51.08 | Iriel | So i'm updating the AddOn dev resources thread for the new forums, what do folks consider the state of the art in editors for addon development? |
| 03:51.11 | Mirrormn | I like that too ^_^ |
| 03:51.11 | A-KO | Yo ucan't instantly tell right away whether something is better |
| 03:51.14 | A-KO | and Jamash they just made it worse |
| 03:51.22 | A-KO | Iriel: Notepad++ |
| 03:51.27 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
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| 03:51.30 | airtonix | A-KO, you can with ratingbuster |
| 03:51.32 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: vim! |
| 03:51.35 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: emacs! |
| 03:51.38 | Jamash | Furthermore, wow gems are terrible compared to Diablo II gems/jewels/runes |
| 03:51.43 | Iriel | I already have emacs 8-) |
| 03:51.46 | Mirrormn | well, I'll agree with that |
| 03:51.51 | Mirrormn | runewords were the fucking shit |
| 03:51.55 | A-KO | airtonix: I'm wondering how well ratingbuster would work with the new reforging system as well. |
| 03:52.02 | airtonix | no idea |
| 03:52.10 | airtonix | i only care enough to correct you |
| 03:52.16 | Mirrormn | is notepad++ better in any way than the Wowinterface flavor of Scite? |
| 03:52.16 | Jamash | Diablo II socketables did awesome things, WoW socketables put the stats back on the item that they took off when they put the socket on the item. |
| 03:52.25 | A-KO | exactly Jamash |
| 03:52.28 | Arrowmaster | they are about the same |
| 03:52.30 | A-KO | that's what's damn annoying abouti t |
| 03:52.34 | Nobgul|Raid | Mirrormn, There is a lua highlight for np++ |
| 03:52.36 | A-KO | reforging and gems are the same damn thing in WoW |
| 03:52.43 | Mirrormn | scite does that |
| 03:52.45 | Nobgul|Raid | But they are about the same |
| 03:52.46 | Arrowmaster | but i would use a recent version of SciTE over the old one on wowi |
| 03:52.55 | Nobgul|Raid | Yer i have the newer version. |
| 03:52.56 | Jamash | and there are no good blue gems for DPS |
| 03:53.06 | Nobgul|Raid | Melee or ranged? |
| 03:53.09 | Jamash | any |
| 03:53.12 | Nobgul|Raid | And why are you matching stats? |
| 03:53.16 | Nobgul|Raid | colors |
| 03:53.21 | Iriel | Did addon studio die? |
| 03:53.23 | Nobgul|Raid | err s0ck3t colors |
| 03:53.24 | Mirrormn | there's also scite + luainspect which does real-time syntax parsing |
| 03:53.30 | Iriel | (or "cease to be relevant") |
| 03:53.31 | A-KO | Jamash: It's interesing that they removed path of the titans but not reforging, because gemming and reforging are pretyt much the same damn thing--different names, slightly different way of doingi t. |
| 03:53.32 | Nobgul|Raid | Iriel, I think they are all dead. |
| 03:53.35 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: it was never relevant |
| 03:53.38 | Nobgul|Raid | All the " ui" helpers |
| 03:53.38 | A-KO | Remove Stat A, repalce with B |
| 03:53.42 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: That's mean 8-) |
| 03:53.49 | Jamash | Nobgul|Raid: because I have OCPD |
| 03:54.02 | Mirrormn | Jamash: Diablo 2 socketing wasn't *that* much better |
| 03:54.07 | Nobgul|Raid | Jamash, I have something for you =P |
| 03:54.31 | Mirrormn | you basically either had jewel socketing, which was very much like wow's socketing |
| 03:54.34 | Jamash | Mirrormn: did you play D2/D2X? |
| 03:54.49 | Mirrormn | or runeword socketing, which was so different from it that it's not even comparable |
| 03:54.57 | Mirrormn | yeah, I played D2 |
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| 03:55.11 | Mirrormn | I've even memorized the runeword for breath of the dying =/ |
| 03:55.17 | Mirrormn | Vex Hel El Eld Zod Eth |
| 03:56.12 | Mirrormn | jewels in d2 were a lot like gems in wow are, only it was considerably more difficult to get the best ones |
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| 03:58.15 | Mirrormn | well I guess you could do some silly things like have a 6os 15ias/15ed phase blade |
| 03:58.47 | Mirrormn | but most of those differences are just related to the fact that d2 had terrible terrible item balance |
| 03:58.53 | airtonix | QQKALXONS! |
| 03:59.12 | airtonix | ... |
| 03:59.16 | airtonix | klaxon |
| 03:59.41 | Jamash | Rare jewels were crazy man |
| 04:00.45 | Jamash | also D2 had more stats |
| 04:01.35 | Jamash | in WoW you could put the same gem (agi, str or int) in every socket and do pretty well |
| 04:01.51 | Nobgul|Raid | Jamash, thats what most people do. |
| 04:01.57 | Jamash | exactly |
| 04:02.15 | Nobgul|Raid | and is the reason wy i was wondering about the gem problems you felt, But the ocd explained it =P |
| 04:02.33 | Mirrormn | the only jewels that anyone really used were 15ais/15ed |
| 04:02.44 | Jamash | also note that D2 gems did different things in different items |
| 04:02.48 | Mirrormn | or maybe sometimes like a 15ed/15resists or something |
| 04:02.57 | Mirrormn | I don't recall exactly |
| 04:03.07 | Mirrormn | and no they didn't |
| 04:03.10 | Mirrormn | runes did |
| 04:03.16 | Jamash | yes they did |
| 04:03.18 | Mirrormn | jewels always had the same effect |
| 04:03.25 | Jamash | gems |
| 04:03.31 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 04:03.36 | Mirrormn | no one ever used gems for anything -.- |
| 04:03.51 | Jamash | not everyone in D2 was level 99 bro |
| 04:04.00 | Mirrormn | except %mf perfect topazes |
| 04:04.00 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.14 | Jamash | imcoolbro |
| 04:04.15 | Mirrormn | and iirc there was a rune that would do that better |
| 04:04.18 | Arrowmaster | they werent? |
| 04:04.20 | Mirrormn | it was just more expensive |
| 04:04.29 | airtonix | ohsouhavelubethen |
| 04:04.33 | Arrowmaster | a friend created a 99zon for me in just a weekend |
| 04:04.46 | Jamash | that sounds incredibly boring |
| 04:04.50 | Mirrormn | that's like saying not everyone in wow is level 80 =/ |
| 04:04.56 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 04:04.57 | Arrowmaster | was mostly just hell cows |
| 04:05.03 | Mirrormn | well, it's close |
| 04:05.09 | Jamash | diablo 2 had no endgame |
| 04:05.18 | Mirrormn | it really kind of did |
| 04:05.19 | Arrowmaster | hell cows was the endgame |
| 04:05.41 | Mirrormn | it's just there was no *specific* level for the endgame |
| 04:05.48 | Jamash | that's like if the only raid in wow was still molten core |
| 04:05.48 | Mirrormn | because gear was more important than level |
| 04:05.52 | Mirrormn | after like 85 or so |
| 04:06.11 | Mirrormn | they added content to D2, yknow |
| 04:06.18 | Mirrormn | uber tristram |
| 04:06.26 | Mirrormn | it was really awkward but it did happen |
| 04:06.38 | Mirrormn | end-game content |
| 04:06.45 | Jamash | you could die waiting for D2 content |
| 04:06.57 | Mirrormn | well, I'm not gonna argue with that |
| 04:07.08 | Jamash | I'm not really trying to compare wow to D2 |
| 04:07.15 | Jamash | I'm saying gems in wow suck |
| 04:07.28 | Jamash | they are terrible and bad |
| 04:07.29 | Mirrormn | you said gems in wow suck specifically compared to d2 lol |
| 04:07.56 | Jamash | okay, I'm comparing my D2 experience to my wow experience |
| 04:08.17 | Jamash | I never got anywhere near level 99 because (to me) there was no reason to |
| 04:08.41 | Mirrormn | well, I think you're erroneously comparing a mid-game d2 experience to an end-game wow experience |
| 04:08.50 | Jamash | I'm comparing two experiences |
| 04:09.12 | Mirrormn | and I don't think they are experiences that, when compared, provide a useful argument |
| 04:09.27 | Mirrormn | because they differ in key ways |
| 04:09.43 | Jamash | how so |
| 04:09.57 | Mirrormn | I recall when TBC came out |
| 04:10.06 | Mirrormn | and when leveling, I got my first socketed gear |
| 04:10.19 | Mirrormn | and then got some like green gems to stick in that gear |
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| 04:10.35 | Mirrormn | and it felt great because it was new, exciting, and more powerful gear |
| 04:10.43 | Mirrormn | that could be tailored to how I wanted it |
| 04:10.51 | Mirrormn | that's more of a comparable experience |
| 04:10.59 | Adys | "You both need to see my chimpanzee sextape" |
| 04:11.26 | Xyphoid | i wish there was more of a mix available in gems though |
| 04:11.49 | Jamash | Mirrormn: Yes? |
| 04:11.50 | Xyphoid | meta gems have a variety of more interesting effects |
| 04:11.57 | Anoob | I need to hire someone to write a very small addon for me, would this be the right place to ask? |
| 04:12.08 | Mirrormn | "hire"? |
| 04:12.13 | Anoob | yeah I can t do lua |
| 04:12.14 | Xyphoid | i'd like to be able to gem for pure runspeed |
| 04:12.26 | Jamash | My rates are very reasonable, starting at $1000 per project with a $100 per diem plus expenses. |
| 04:12.32 | Anoob | lolz |
| 04:12.45 | Mirrormn | I will be willing to undercut Jamash by $1 no matter what he offers |
| 04:12.51 | Jamash | I offer $0 |
| 04:12.59 | airtonix | i will sell your body |
| 04:13.00 | Jamash | Mirrormn will pay you $1 to write your addon |
| 04:13.01 | Mirrormn | Iw ill pay you $1 to let me write this addon for you |
| 04:13.03 | Anoob | it should be an hour max work, no UI needed just a simple loop with if thens |
| 04:13.21 | airtonix | ok ok |
| 04:13.25 | Mirrormn | but honestly if you just said what you needed in chat |
| 04:13.25 | airtonix | you pay me |
| 04:13.28 | airtonix | and they make it |
| 04:13.33 | Mirrormn | someone would have probably done it already for free ^_^ |
| 04:13.42 | airtonix | SILENCE |
| 04:13.47 | Anoob | not this one, its for an art project |
| 04:14.11 | Anoob | here is what I need |
| 04:14.20 | Anoob | I need an addon that every 30 sec does a /who for a particular zone like Westfall and if here are people in the zone it plays sound A. Then 30 sec later it does another /who, if there are still people in the zone it plays sound B then if nobody is found it plays sound C and keeps on scanning. |
| 04:14.35 | airtonix | no |
| 04:14.37 | airtonix | gtfo |
| 04:14.48 | Anoob | the sound played would be in a folder in the addon |
| 04:15.01 | Nobgul|Raid | what for |
| 04:15.02 | Mirrormn | may I ask what the point of this is? |
| 04:15.02 | Nobgul|Raid | 0_o |
| 04:15.09 | airtonix | spam obviously |
| 04:15.13 | Anoob | its for an art project about randomness, the sounds will be played randomly on people entering zones |
| 04:15.14 | Nobgul | Aparently |
| 04:15.24 | Nobgul | Anoob, err no |
| 04:15.35 | Nobgul | Well I wont help with that anyway |
| 04:15.36 | Anoob | why not? is there a prob with it? |
| 04:15.44 | Anoob | I don t understand |
| 04:16.00 | Nobgul | Umm |
| 04:16.04 | Jerub | Anoob: they don't believe your pithy explanation, they think you're using this for some kind of nefarious purpose. |
| 04:16.09 | Mirrormn | your motives make no sense so everyone is suspicious of you now |
| 04:16.17 | Anoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.22 | Jamash | so it's like playing a tune based on drawing a musical staff on the side of a fishtank |
| 04:16.26 | Torhal | Fisker once killed a man. |
| 04:16.26 | Nobgul | ty Jerub and Mirrormn, I was going to redirect to you lol |
| 04:16.38 | Nobgul | Torhal, He got help for that I herd. |
| 04:16.39 | airtonix | Torhal, with lube! |
| 04:16.42 | Adys | lol |
| 04:16.45 | Adys | so apparently |
| 04:16.59 | Anoob | well then can someone point me in the direction of someone who could help, we have a budget for it |
| 04:17.05 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 04:17.08 | Mirrormn | also, if it is for an art project |
| 04:17.09 | Adys | if you kill telestra before she splits, you still get Split Personality |
| 04:17.20 | Mirrormn | it's either for a school assignment, in which case you should be learning it yourself |
| 04:17.26 | Nobgul | Anoob, Who is we? |
| 04:17.42 | Mirrormn | or it's for personal anjoyment, in which case you would probably get more enjoyment from the sense of satisfaction from doing it yourself |
| 04:17.47 | Mirrormn | *enjoyment |
| 04:18.16 | Nobgul | We can help you work it out if you have questions. |
| 04:18.58 | Mirrormn | (or I guess it could be for commercial purposes but I can't fathom a way in which this could feed into a commercially viable idea) |
| 04:19.04 | Jamash | Translation: This channel is full of cranky people who hate noobs. Nothing personal. |
| 04:19.18 | Nobgul | Although i find it hard to think that there would be a zone that doesn't have people in it. Unless it is a new server. |
| 04:19.25 | Anoob | I am not a programmer, I can t just learn LUA for this. We want to have 5 laptops making a visual representation of randomness by monitoring each a different zone and playing a 30 seconds sample while a visual processor is grabbing the audio and making it a visual representation over time |
| 04:19.29 | Mirrormn | I am a cranky person who hates double spaces after periods |
| 04:19.30 | Mirrormn | JAMASH |
| 04:19.37 | Anoob | I don t see what could be nefarious about this |
| 04:20.12 | Iriel | I have to say the description of the project is certainly wacky enough that it could be a valid art project 8-) |
| 04:20.16 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 04:20.17 | Nobgul | It gets included in a Ui Comp and neople don't know. It annows the crap out of people. |
| 04:20.23 | Nobgul | lol Iriel. |
| 04:20.34 | Nobgul | Anoob, What is your budget i need a new keyboard =P |
| 04:20.40 | Mirrormn | art: doing things that make no sense just for the sake of making no sense |
| 04:20.57 | Xyphoid | anoob: so are you going to stand there at your art project clicking 'cancel' for the autologout |
| 04:21.01 | Anoob | I don t know...$200? I have no idea |
| 04:21.04 | Jamash | Mirrormn: It differentiates a dotted abbreviation in the middle of a sentence from a dotted abbreviation that ends a sentence. |
| 04:21.06 | Nobgul | 0_O |
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| 04:21.22 | Jamash | I restate my prior offer of $1000 |
| 04:21.26 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 04:21.32 | Iriel | I think $1000 is a bit high for this scope of work |
| 04:21.36 | Jamash | If he has no idea, any amount is reasonable. |
| 04:21.38 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:21.38 | Mirrormn | Jamash: that differentiation is completely unnecessary and not part of standard English |
| 04:21.40 | Iriel | Well, true. |
| 04:21.57 | Nobgul | Anoob, So you don't want any data then? |
| 04:22.06 | Jamash | Mirrormn: Your face isn't part of standard English either. |
| 04:22.13 | Nobgul | just a sound on a timer if people are in the zone 0_o |
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| 04:22.34 | Anoob | yes |
| 04:22.35 | Iriel | Anoob: A challenge is going to be not getting logged out due to inactivity, if you plan this to run for any length of time |
| 04:23.11 | Mirrormn | that's actually not much of a challenge at all |
| 04:23.17 | Mirrormn | it would just violate the ToC |
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| 04:23.28 | Anoob | its ok about the logout...just move the mouses every 5 mins |
| 04:23.41 | Anoob | what violates the TOC? |
| 04:23.43 | Nobgul | Mouse doesnt break afk |
| 04:23.44 | Jamash | Mirrormn: But I'm sure you'd be upset if someone told you to get rid of it. |
| 04:23.45 | Iriel | Mirrormn: That's somewhat implicit 8-) |
| 04:24.06 | Mirrormn | automatically sending input to the wow client using an external program |
| 04:24.12 | Aurorus | e.g. AutoIT |
| 04:24.15 | airtonix | dipping bird imo |
| 04:24.20 | Mirrormn | lol dipping bird |
| 04:24.22 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:24.44 | Mirrormn | but yes, just moving the mice every once in a while is perfectly fine |
| 04:24.49 | Jamash | deer scare |
| 04:24.49 | Iriel | As long as there's a human moving the mouse/pressing a key, you're fine |
| 04:25.04 | Xyphoid | and yeah i think the issue of it actually being very rare for westfall to be empty is more of an issue |
| 04:25.10 | Mirrormn | and there are legitimate ways in which it can be done wirelessly so as not to disturb the "ambience" of your presentation |
| 04:25.20 | Xyphoid | your random stream will be like yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes no yes yes yes |
| 04:25.36 | Jamash | You could use the least significant digit of the zone population |
| 04:25.43 | Mirrormn | it seems to me like it should play one sound if the number of players is the same, another if it is less, and another if it is more |
| 04:25.43 | Iriel | Xyphoid: I would imagine once the infrastructure was created, it could be easily modified to use even/odd or something similar |
| 04:26.20 | Mirrormn | I absolutely guarantee that if anyone cared enough about this program, it could have already been written by now |
| 04:26.20 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 04:26.28 | Anoob | lol |
| 04:26.35 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:26.41 | Kraps | amg http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1621591 |
| 04:26.43 | Jamash | Oh, I wrote it but I forgot to hit save when I closed the Notepad window |
| 04:26.51 | Nobgul | lol Jamash your mean |
| 04:27.01 | Xyphoid | there wasn't enough space in the margin of this editor |
| 04:27.05 | Jamash | ^ |
| 04:28.04 | Nobgul | You are all a bunch of grumpy asses lol. |
| 04:28.10 | airtonix | qq |
| 04:28.11 | Jamash | that's what I said |
| 04:28.16 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:28.27 | Iriel | So is someone going to step up and write Anoob's addon? |
| 04:28.32 | Wobin | Jamash's mean what? |
| 04:28.34 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 04:28.36 | Mirrormn | I'll write it |
| 04:28.42 | Jamash | I'm waiting for a response to my offer |
| 04:28.55 | airtonix | too dorrah |
| 04:28.56 | Nobgul | Iriel, I think Lulia is =P |
| 04:29.12 | Iriel | Cool, as long as someone is 8-) |
| 04:29.18 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 04:29.45 | Lulia | What? |
| 04:29.45 | Anoob | sweet |
| 04:29.54 | Lulia | What's the AddOn? |
| 04:30.38 | kd3 | yuck. few inches of rain. at least we're above freezing |
| 04:30.39 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 04:30.40 | Jamash | I wrote an addon to export companion data for a guy a bit ago, my karma meter is still fairly full |
| 04:30.47 | Mirrormn | I'm already writing it :P |
| 04:30.49 | kd3 | atlanta really does not need snow to welcome the month of december |
| 04:30.56 | Jamash | atlanta always needs snow |
| 04:30.59 | Mirrormn | it's snowing in atlanta? |
| 04:31.09 | Jamash | the ski industry is really hurting without it |
| 04:31.10 | Wobin | how does one spend karma? |
| 04:31.12 | Jerub | i've heard of atlanta. |
| 04:31.23 | Mirrormn | I'm living near atlanta |
| 04:31.27 | Mirrormn | and it's raining |
| 04:31.29 | kd3 | no, it's not |
| 04:31.34 | kd3 | we're above freezing, thankfully |
| 04:31.40 | kd3 | lives out in paulding county |
| 04:32.02 | Jamash | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20/ |
| 04:32.03 | kd3 | also, wtf. we're down to /seven/ free /8s? |
| 04:32.27 | Jamash | why are there any free /8s? |
| 04:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 7/8s! |
| 04:32.38 | Jerub | Jamash: 7. |
| 04:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his /48 and /64 |
| 04:32.51 | Jamash | Jerub: SEVEN! |
| 04:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 2001:470:d82b:ffff:20e:2eff:fe60:594a/64 |
| 04:33.04 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm, v6 |
| 04:33.07 | Jamash | ScytheBlade1: no thanks, I already ate |
| 04:34.04 | Jerub | 39, 102-104, 179 and 185 |
| 04:34.20 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: is that dodgy tunneled v6 or proper v6? |
| 04:34.24 | Jerub | i have a /60 from my isp :) |
| 04:34.50 | Jamash | why /60 and not /64? |
| 04:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | that makes me kinda jealous |
| 04:35.04 | Jerub | Jamash: without a /60 i can't run multiple ipv6 networks at home :P |
| 04:35.14 | Jamash | you can't subnet a /64? |
| 04:35.22 | Jerub | Jamash: no, a /64 is the most you can divite ipv6. |
| 04:35.26 | Jerub | so /64 = 1 physical lan |
| 04:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | however, he.net sent me a free shirt because I used their (free) stuff, so meh |
| 04:35.31 | Jamash | huh, okay |
| 04:35.40 | Lulia | So, Mirrormn, you're already writing the addon Anoob requested? |
| 04:35.44 | Jerub | a /60 = 16 physical lans. |
| 04:36.15 | Jamash | I like how they decided to go to a 128-bit address space and then immediately waste almost all of it |
| 04:36.25 | Jerub | no, they waste exactly half of it. |
| 04:36.36 | Jerub | to make every physical lan have a more or less unbounded number of devices on it. |
| 04:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "waste" is relative |
| 04:37.04 | Arrowmaster | im shocked your isp isnt just putting all customers on a /64 |
| 04:37.24 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: i have a dynamic /64 on my ppp link, and then they prefix delegate a static /60 |
| 04:37.44 | Jerub | i /could/ use the /64 they give me for my ppp. |
| 04:37.48 | Jerub | but that wouldn't be any fun |
| 04:38.11 | Arrowmaster | but still have you seen how they delegate IPv6 address space out to ISPs? |
| 04:38.20 | Jamash | badly |
| 04:38.43 | Mirrormn | yeah, I am |
| 04:38.43 | Jerub | nope |
| 04:38.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah each isp only gets a few thousand /64's from a delegation i think |
| 04:39.28 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: oh? i thought you got could ge ta /32 or a /40 just for asking |
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| 04:40.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 04:40.27 | bluspacecow | anyone know if the inspect paper doll frame error has a band aid fix addon ? |
| 04:40.28 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127489690 |
| 04:40.34 | KarlKFI | some guy just aim'd me using poor english asking if i wanted to rent out my lvl 80 for $200/mo so his company could farm gold with it.... he found my aim on a forum for a guild i was in 3 years ago... |
| 04:40.51 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:40.59 | Jerub | they're giving out /56s acording to http://www.apnic.net/publications/media-library/documents/resource-guidelines/ipv6-guidelines |
| 04:41.20 | Jerub | which is basicalyl the same as selling /24's. |
| 04:41.30 | Jerub | but isps buy a # of /56s. not just 1 at a time. |
| 04:41.31 | airtonix | for free |
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| 04:42.02 | Jerub | ah right. |
| 04:42.11 | Jerub | a /48 is for "for larger sites, or if an end site is expected to grow into a large network." |
| 04:42.30 | airtonix | yes my bedroom fits that description |
| 04:42.49 | Jerub | airtonix: my office fits that description. |
| 04:43.00 | airtonix | your face fits that description |
| 04:43.10 | Jerub | in fact, we would exhaust a /56 with just 1U in our rack :P |
| 04:43.10 | Jamash | airtonix: your mom fits that description |
| 04:43.15 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 04:43.29 | Arrowmaster | wait isnt APNIC asia? |
| 04:43.33 | airtonix | im not sure about your sincerity |
| 04:43.45 | Jerub | Oceanic. |
| 04:43.49 | Jerub | :P |
| 04:44.05 | Jamash | Jerub: you're using 4722366482869645213696 IP addresses per 1U? |
| 04:44.30 | Jerub | Jamash: no, but we have at least 20 lans inside that vmware server |
| 04:45.02 | Jamash | lua>2^(64-56) |
| 04:45.04 | lua_bot | Jamash: 256 |
| 04:45.35 | Arrowmaster | see its fucking stupid how they delegate them out |
| 04:45.49 | airtonix | explain |
| 04:45.55 | Jamash | I'm not sure anything about IPv6 makes sense |
| 04:46.05 | Arrowmaster | they dont delegate enough out |
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| 04:47.21 | airtonix | why is the font on my lock screen for the android 2.1 on a samsung galaxy s different from the homescreen |
| 04:47.36 | airtonix | i want to use that font on homescreen widgets |
| 04:48.53 | Jamash | IPv7 will use 1024-bit addresses |
| 04:49.29 | Jamash | but they'll allocate a /8 to each end-user |
| 04:49.37 | airtonix | awesome |
| 04:49.55 | Jerub | there's lots stupid about v6 |
| 04:50.02 | Jerub | but i've not seen any of those things mentioned here yet :) |
| 04:55.20 | Adys | Ah. The Wintergrasp flight path finally accepts incomers. |
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| 04:58.11 | ckknight | best word ever: hobosexual |
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| 04:59.16 | Adys | Context please |
| 04:59.34 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:59.50 | ckknight | it's when you're attracted to hobos |
| 05:00.04 | Nobgul | ckknight, Do you find yourself with this problem? |
| 05:00.11 | Lulia | "See how that dude is hitting on the homeless chick? He's totally a hobosexual" |
| 05:00.12 | ckknight | nah |
| 05:00.20 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:00.21 | ckknight | good context, Lulia |
| 05:00.27 | ckknight | I'm watching How Not To Live Your Life |
| 05:00.34 | ckknight | in the most recent episode, Don dates a tramp |
| 05:02.13 | Lulia | Is she hot? |
| 05:02.30 | ckknight | after she bathed |
| 05:03.23 | airtonix | does he use lube |
| 05:03.33 | ckknight | they haven't had sex yet |
| 05:03.38 | airtonix | do you use lube |
| 05:03.46 | ckknight | yeah, I typically need to |
| 05:03.54 | airtonix | ohhhohhhh |
| 05:04.15 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 05:04.32 | Lulia | "Pretty Woman" ? |
| 05:04.38 | Lulia | Good movie btw |
| 05:05.09 | ckknight | homeless person != prostitute |
| 05:05.38 | ckknight | I'd assume their pimps would at least provide them some place to sleep during the day |
| 05:05.46 | Lulia | I associate Tramp with prostitute, not hobo :P |
| 05:05.56 | ckknight | this show is British |
| 05:06.06 | Lulia | ah |
| 05:07.42 | airtonix | so it's of a high stature |
| 05:07.53 | airtonix | and you'll have to learn real English |
| 05:08.16 | ckknight | which English is that? |
| 05:08.29 | Thunder_Child | the one people can understand |
| 05:08.34 | Thunder_Child | so....none really |
| 05:08.48 | ckknight | just remember: I do it for the lulz |
| 05:08.48 | Jerub | # Gamon is now immune to all forms of crowd control, uses the abilities Charge and Battle Shout, and wrecks adversaries with his new two-handed axe. |
| 05:08.52 | Lulia | Brits abuse English just as much as anyone else. |
| 05:09.00 | Lulia | Don't even try to pull that one, it only shows ignorance |
| 05:09.18 | Adys | Jerub: <Kramer's voice> You better believe it. |
| 05:09.39 | Iriel | Some of us are english.. and yes, we abuse the language pretty well. |
| 05:09.46 | Iriel | English the language is MADE FROM abuse |
| 05:09.55 | Lulia | Pretty much |
| 05:09.56 | Jerub | we've had a never-ending gamon raid on dath'remar the last week |
| 05:10.00 | Adys | Some of us aren't English, and we love abusing englishmen |
| 05:10.03 | Jerub | everyone idling in dal has been in on it. |
| 05:10.03 | Adys | especially fake englishmen |
| 05:10.07 | Adys | like Fisker |
| 05:10.16 | Lulia | wait, does SW have a Gamon-like mob? |
| 05:10.21 | airtonix | yes, ew must gas him next time he shows up |
| 05:10.23 | ckknight | isn't Fisker Dutch or something? |
| 05:10.34 | Adys | nah worse |
| 05:10.43 | airtonix | norwegian |
| 05:11.02 | ckknight | accursed Norsemen |
| 05:11.03 | Jerub | er, dal->org |
| 05:13.36 | nebula169 | well atleast druids, mages, and dks will stop bullying gamon now |
| 05:14.13 | airtonix | no |
| 05:14.18 | airtonix | you are wrong child |
| 05:14.36 | airtonix | of all things in the universe |
| 05:14.43 | airtonix | Gamon is constant |
| 05:14.46 | nebula169 | bullying for longer than 10s or so? |
| 05:15.39 | nebula169 | i do have to admit, i tanked him the first day new org was out |
| 05:16.16 | Arrowmaster | do lowbie rogues still have to pickpocket him? |
| 05:16.41 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: pretty sure they got rid of quests like that |
| 05:16.46 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 05:17.12 | ckknight | also, Adys, nothing is worse than being a Dutchman |
| 05:17.21 | Lulia | Does SW have an uber, gamon-like mob? |
| 05:17.23 | Lulia | :( |
| 05:17.23 | airtonix | lol |
| 05:17.27 | airtonix | tulips |
| 05:17.28 | airtonix | and |
| 05:17.36 | airtonix | meserschmitts |
| 05:17.36 | Adys | ckknight: that's what dutchmen want you to think! |
| 05:17.52 | airtonix | ja |
| 05:18.07 | airtonix | now i seel heroine on the north west coast of australia |
| 05:30.25 | Jerub | wait, north WEST? |
| 05:31.40 | airtonix | you know |
| 05:31.52 | airtonix | the place where the first chinese lived in australia |
| 05:32.21 | airtonix | dutch + chinese = opium |
| 05:32.23 | Jerub | did they? |
| 05:32.26 | airtonix | yes |
| 05:32.49 | airtonix | long before the settlement at botany bay |
| 05:36.14 | airtonix | ok question about stargate |
| 05:36.42 | airtonix | if standing in the wormhole formation wave disintegrates matter |
| 05:36.50 | airtonix | whats the point of buyring one? |
| 05:36.59 | airtonix | burying* |
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| 05:38.02 | Wobin | cause you can't walk into solid earth? |
| 05:38.08 | Wobin | it's the same effect as the iris, I imagine |
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| 05:38.26 | Wobin | the reintergration point occurs just past the horizon |
| 05:38.36 | airtonix | well |
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| 05:38.44 | airtonix | again |
| 05:38.56 | airtonix | formation wave would eat away enough matter |
| 05:39.07 | airtonix | so there would be a cavity |
| 05:39.10 | Wobin | well, the iris appears to work |
| 05:39.12 | kd3 | har... "Random, mean level 15 deer appeared in Teldrassil to the shock and awe of low-level players. They have been replaced with level 1 fawn." |
| 05:39.23 | Wobin | do they shut it only after the wormhole is created? |
| 05:39.23 | airtonix | the iris only works because it is of a specific mineral |
| 05:39.59 | airtonix | but if you simply buried a stargate in dirt |
| 05:48.31 | Iriel | Awesome - weather beaten journal on my first ever fishing cast |
| 05:49.44 | Wobin | airtonix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_(device) |
| 05:50.06 | Wobin | "A wormhole is prevented from forming if a significant obstruction is present inside the Stargate's ring. Consequently, a simple way to seal a Stargate is to bury it, as was done to Earth's Giza Stargate" |
| 05:51.19 | Mirrormn | I hate you all |
| 05:51.22 | Mirrormn | and I hate stargates |
| 05:51.35 | Wobin | Mirrormn: well stargates don't give a damn about you |
| 05:51.44 | Mirrormn | that's part of the reason I hate them |
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| 06:04.00 | Adys | "One Draenei's Junk..." and "Kum'isha's Endeavors" can no longer be shared. |
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| 06:04.07 | Adys | "One Draenei's Junk..." can no longer be shared. |
| 06:04.14 | Wobin | haha http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/eec8r/i_dont_know_what_genre_this_game_is_any_more/ |
| 06:04.18 | Adys | Am I the only one seeing it? Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing it. |
| 06:04.29 | Wobin | celibacy for YOU |
| 06:04.59 | Lulia | Not loading for me :( |
| 06:07.41 | Adys | The effect of the talent Firestarter will no longer stop functioning when Molten Armor has only 30 minutes remaining when cast with Glyph of Armors active. |
| 06:07.41 | Adys | Hahahaha. |
| 06:23.37 | airtonix | i find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 06:23.55 | Mirrormn | ooh, adys, that's a hotfix? |
| 06:23.58 | Mirrormn | I was noticing that bug |
| 06:24.05 | Adys | yes |
| 06:24.23 | Mirrormn | that's very good to know |
| 06:29.43 | Mirrormn | in fact I will put my glyph of armors back on right now |
| 06:37.04 | kd3 | gack; someone linked the miya can-can again |
| 06:40.16 | Napoleone | i hope they hotfix the druids boomkin bug ;P |
| 06:46.58 | Napoleone | omg BRD got 90% removed lol |
| 06:48.10 | Napoleone | or did they just divide maps into 2 parts? |
| 06:49.18 | kd3 | brd's all there |
| 06:49.33 | kd3 | they added teleporters to skip around |
| 06:50.23 | airtonix | would it be unwise of me to say |
| 06:50.27 | airtonix | "old" ? |
| 06:51.07 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Instance_maps |
| 06:51.19 | kd3 | most instances have more than one "floor" |
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| 07:01.42 | Napoleone | hmm a buddy also told me that the shattering skipped 3 years of nothing |
| 07:02.08 | Napoleone | and now i see that scarlet monestary can not look like this if the maps are accurate ;P |
| 07:03.20 | kd3 | there's a few places like that. I'm fond of this: http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Stratholme_and_Deatholme.gif |
| 07:03.34 | kd3 | which is why the blood elf territories are still instanced from the rest of the eastern kingdoms |
| 07:03.41 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 07:03.59 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:04.13 | Napoleone | first i didnt get why they instanced them at all |
| 07:04.24 | Napoleone | would fuck up totally now in cataclysm when you can fly |
| 07:05.06 | kd3 | originally, they didn't have the tech to lock players out if they didn't have bc |
| 07:05.15 | Napoleone | i know |
| 07:05.27 | Napoleone | well they do now so fix it lol |
| 07:05.43 | Napoleone | the less loading bars the better lol |
| 07:05.56 | kd3 | as soon as they fix things like that ^ and implement the unfinished portions of quel'thelas |
| 07:05.58 | Fisker | why must there be weekly maintenance? |
| 07:06.36 | Corrodias | to give you a chance to change your poopsock |
| 07:06.48 | Napoleone | Fisker i dont know... if i had the knowledge they mut have.. i would have a n extra clone system.. small ofc. to test deployments and shit. and then just do a 10 min when needed |
| 07:07.06 | Fisker | omg |
| 07:07.07 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:07.09 | Fisker | it's dcember 1st |
| 07:07.23 | Napoleone | scarlet monestary can work.. damnit.. forgot the GY goes underground for the first part ;P |
| 07:07.28 | kd3 | yes, yes it is. I need to go to bed. last day of class starts in 7 hours |
| 07:07.34 | Napoleone | merry Snowmonth |
| 07:07.37 | Fisker | last day of class? |
| 07:07.55 | kd3 | finals are next week |
| 07:08.00 | Fisker | When i was young, class usually lasted until 22nd/23rd of december |
| 07:08.21 | Torhal | Now you're an old crotchets fuck, eh, Fisker? |
| 07:08.24 | Napoleone | we had classes untill 11th november ;P |
| 07:08.26 | Torhal | crochety |
| 07:08.39 | Torhal | Fuck. Failspell. |
| 07:08.55 | airtonix | inb4 four welshmen |
| 07:09.02 | Fisker | i'm your mother Torhal |
| 07:09.12 | Torhal | Fisker: So you cut off my right hand? |
| 07:09.28 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:09.37 | airtonix | it's oke |
| 07:09.39 | Torhal | Damn you. |
| 07:09.43 | airtonix | he does not have lube |
| 07:09.47 | Torhal | airtonix: Fisker stole your lube. |
| 07:09.52 | Dagmar | EvilPig: You've not talked to Warren yet? |
| 07:10.06 | airtonix | you no steal lube |
| 07:10.21 | Torhal | 1,000 litres of lube. |
| 07:10.33 | Napoleone | hmm anyone of you know a way to link a folder into another folder.. |
| 07:10.48 | Napoleone | i want wow to find my ui but i dont want it to be in the ADDONS folders |
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| 07:14.17 | Mirrormn | yay Bane of the Fallen king |
| 07:14.22 | Mirrormn | just in time for cata |
| 07:14.52 | Fisker | fail |
| 07:15.10 | Mirrormn | I once Fiskered a man |
| 07:15.35 | Mirrormn | he just turned away, disgusted |
| 07:15.47 | airtonix | dont mistake fisting with fiskering |
| 07:16.03 | airtonix | we will not entertain your base desires |
| 07:16.39 | airtonix | man i am farting liek... awsomely today |
| 07:17.42 | Mirrormn | oh dear |
| 07:17.53 | Mirrormn | Bane of the Fallen King made it too late to go to taco bell :( |
| 07:18.10 | Jerub | Mirrormn: treat yourself to some real food |
| 07:18.24 | Mirrormn | I don't like real food :( |
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| 07:19.03 | Mirrormn | plus real food takes time to make, don't like that either |
| 07:20.01 | Jerub | woo |
| 07:20.05 | Jerub | friend just got stood in the fire |
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| 07:22.32 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10BxYZqa1Q&feature=player_embedded#! |
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| 07:30.11 | airtonix | Jerub, not a friend imo |
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| 07:31.20 | Jerub | airtonix: hm? |
| 07:31.34 | Jerub | well, now a crisp deathwing treat |
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| 07:32.02 | airtonix | betterer |
| 07:33.21 | Napoleone | wow bacon in the morning is awesome |
| 07:33.33 | KarlKFI | BACON |
| 07:33.45 | KarlKFI | i'm hungry again |
| 07:33.50 | KarlKFI | must be the booze |
| 07:33.59 | Jerub | Napoleone: of course it is |
| 07:34.03 | KarlKFI | and the fact that you mentioned bacon |
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| 07:35.11 | airtonix | You are DOOMED |
| 07:35.21 | KarlKFI | yes, yes i am |
| 07:35.31 | airtonix | For this transgression |
| 07:35.35 | airtonix | you will suffer |
| 07:35.41 | airtonix | I assure it |
| 07:35.48 | KarlKFI | i will? |
| 07:36.00 | airtonix | yes, you have no lube. |
| 07:36.11 | KarlKFI | sure i do. it's in the bedroom |
| 07:36.17 | airtonix | or do you |
| 07:36.29 | KarlKFI | my ass is not for sale tho |
| 07:37.26 | KarlKFI | dissapears to find more booze |
| 07:38.22 | Napoleone | lol i've mentioned my bacon.. and if I'm doomed i dont care.. i got BACON |
| 07:38.46 | airtonix | Bacon will not save you |
| 07:38.55 | Napoleone | dont care |
| 07:39.02 | Napoleone | my top in life is reached ;P |
| 07:39.03 | airtonix | you will once the chaffing starts |
| 07:39.17 | airtonix | the unbelievable itching |
| 07:39.23 | Napoleone | hmm anyone running linux? |
| 07:39.31 | Jerub | Napoleone: yeah |
| 07:39.32 | airtonix | DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT |
| 07:39.57 | Napoleone | and someone know abit about motherboards pcie slots and gfx cards.. want to buy a better one but dont know if it supports it |
| 07:40.12 | Napoleone | http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=BmaOnPewi1JgltOZ <-- my mother board |
| 07:40.30 | Jerub | Napoleone: the quick answer is, you might possibly sometimes have problems with usb3.0 |
| 07:40.42 | Napoleone | and i want to buy a ATI http://www.amd.com/uk/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6850/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overview.aspx#3 |
| 07:40.47 | Jerub | but aprt from that, everything should work for a certain value of 'work' |
| 07:40.55 | Torhal | Napoleone: Linux != ATI |
| 07:40.56 | Jerub | but if you can run wow in wine is another question |
| 07:41.00 | Napoleone | lol i have problems with usb2 atm |
| 07:41.01 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:41.04 | Torhal | Linux wants nVidia |
| 07:41.12 | airtonix | inb4 qq |
| 07:41.15 | Torhal | ATI drivers are beyond reprehensible. |
| 07:41.53 | Napoleone | i got 9500gt atm |
| 07:42.00 | Napoleone | and it sucks with shaders |
| 07:42.08 | airtonix | at least you can use it |
| 07:42.16 | airtonix | :) |
| 07:42.16 | Napoleone | lol i'm in windows atm |
| 07:42.32 | airtonix | lol does this look like my "i care" face ? |
| 07:42.54 | Torhal | airtonix: Ok, Fisker. Drop the guise. |
| 07:42.59 | Napoleone | anyone else know that problem when a few particles enter the screen it starts delay lagging. |
| 07:43.27 | Jerub | i'm looking at getting the gtx460 |
| 07:43.52 | Mirrormn | I'm just waiting until the right gtx 460 deal comes around |
| 07:43.55 | Torhal | I have a 9800GTX+ and WoW won't let me adjust the graphics slider beyond "Fair". bastards. |
| 07:44.03 | Mirrormn | or a 6850 |
| 07:44.10 | Jerub | i have a 5800 or something |
| 07:45.50 | Napoleone | 6850 is the one i want ;p |
| 07:46.00 | Mirrormn | yeah the 6850 is nice |
| 07:46.09 | Mirrormn | but it's just slightly out of my price range |
| 07:46.11 | airtonix | i have a trident vga 1mb |
| 07:46.15 | Mirrormn | I'm looking at like $150 tops |
| 07:46.25 | Napoleone | lol check this |
| 07:46.28 | airtonix | and wow looks great |
| 07:46.34 | Torhal | pulls Fisker out of airtonix. |
| 07:46.47 | Napoleone | 5970 is 3 times as expencive as 6850 |
| 07:46.47 | airtonix | lucky i lubed up |
| 07:47.09 | Mirrormn | 5970 is considerably faster, too |
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| 07:47.33 | KarlKFI | mmm no bacon.... at elast i have frozen waffles |
| 07:48.17 | Shirik | You should get some pudding KarlKFI http://musthavecute.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/0e1684c3-6683-4db0-85e0-745dc7213549.jpg |
| 07:48.20 | Shirik | whoops |
| 07:48.21 | Shirik | wrong link |
| 07:48.28 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10BxYZqa1Q |
| 07:48.29 | Napoleone | i can choose between ati 6850 or nvidia gtx465 |
| 07:48.50 | Mirrormn | gtx460 is generally a little better than gtx465 |
| 07:48.59 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:49.04 | Mirrormn | mostly due to power consumption |
| 07:49.11 | KarlKFI | Shirik: Pac Man Eyes! |
| 07:49.21 | Mirrormn | they're pretty similar in performance, 460 uses significantly less power |
| 07:49.29 | Napoleone | and cost more |
| 07:49.34 | airtonix | it is important to save energy |
| 07:49.41 | Mirrormn | not that I've seen... |
| 07:49.42 | Napoleone | energy is for free here ;P |
| 07:49.43 | Jerub | ^this |
| 07:49.48 | Mirrormn | less energy = less heat |
| 07:49.52 | Jerub | speaking of which, let me look at power supplies |
| 07:49.55 | Mirrormn | = better overclocking |
| 07:50.08 | Mirrormn | or just a smaller power bill |
| 07:50.16 | KarlKFI | didn't we go over gpus already today? |
| 07:50.17 | Jerub | sigh |
| 07:50.23 | Jerub | a new PS will cost me more than a new video card. |
| 07:50.29 | Napoleone | lol |
| 07:50.30 | Jamash | talking food that encourages you to cannibalize it is one thing, but autocannibalism is a little more unusual. |
| 07:50.49 | Jerub | Jamash: there's a new australian tv series called 'Rake' |
| 07:50.58 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: GTS is less power than the GTX, right? |
| 07:50.58 | KarlKFI | PUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDI PUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDI PUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDI PUDDIPUDDIPUDDIPUDDI |
| 07:51.04 | Jerub | episode 1 is about a cannibal ;) |
| 07:51.05 | Napoleone | hmm 1/3rd of the cards price i can get a 650watt |
| 07:51.07 | KarlKFI | GIGAPUDDING! |
| 07:51.24 | Jerub | Napoleone: yeah, but i'm looking at power supplies worth buying :P |
| 07:51.25 | Jerub | seasonic |
| 07:51.28 | Mirrormn | I don't know nothin about GTS labeling |
| 07:51.30 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 07:51.39 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: I always thought japanese kids were trained from a young age to know that a flan of that size is THE ENEMY |
| 07:51.44 | Dagmar | ...not food. |
| 07:51.59 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: Bleh. I'm having to order a new card now |
| 07:51.59 | Jamash | in cpu/gpu part names, the numbers and letters mean nothing |
| 07:52.07 | Dagmar | gf's machine *just* blew out it's 8800 |
| 07:52.11 | KarlKFI | i like the Dubstep version |
| 07:52.29 | airtonix | https://www.mini-box.com.au/purchase/browse-detail.asp?menuId=35&start=1&laCode=ENGAU&productId=315 |
| 07:52.36 | zenzio | "Gamon is now immune to all forms of crowd control, uses the abilities Charge and Battle Shout, and wrecks adversaries with his new two-handed axe." - guess they really want the guy to have a shot |
| 07:52.38 | Dagmar | I've been flirting with ordering a 460 all this past week |
| 07:52.45 | Jamash | zenzio: awesome |
| 07:52.52 | KarlKFI | my 8800 was acting funny so i bought a 460 |
| 07:52.56 | Jamash | I still want to be able to heal gamon |
| 07:53.05 | Napoleone | installing ubuntu on vmware |
| 07:53.06 | Jamash | he should have a faction |
| 07:53.08 | Mirrormn | aww what |
| 07:53.11 | KarlKFI | now my 8800 is fine as long as i dont run games on it so it runs my other 2 screens |
| 07:53.16 | Mirrormn | I was having fun kiting him around org |
| 07:53.26 | Mirrormn | but with charge he will own me :( |
| 07:53.28 | Napoleone | zenzio what we did was mages slowed him lol |
| 07:53.34 | Jerub | Mirrormn: charge and immune to CC |
| 07:53.36 | Napoleone | only way to kill him also he did 30k dmg ;P |
| 07:53.36 | Jamash | gamon is the new saurfang |
| 07:53.42 | Mirrormn | well I didn't use any CC |
| 07:54.08 | Mirrormn | blink was enough to keep out of his melee range provided you kept moving |
| 07:54.12 | Napoleone | did i just install linux in 45 ses wow |
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| 07:54.34 | Torhal | Napoleone: LiveCD FTW |
| 07:54.37 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 07:54.49 | KarlKFI | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArX8-BWxP8 |
| 07:54.55 | Napoleone | installing on vmWare. and easy install was like now 2 mins and 80% through |
| 07:55.09 | Shirik | while we're trading videos, KarlKFI, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8 |
| 07:55.10 | Jerub | http://www.wowpedia.org/Gamon |
| 07:56.47 | Napoleone | omg |
| 07:59.28 | Napoleone | Gamon is also involved in the end of the death knight introduction chain â [55] Warchief's Blessing â in which he promises to protect the citizens of Orgrimmar from the encroaching death knight. While all other NPCs will appear unfriendly to the death knight, Gamon is actively hostile and will chase after any death knight that comes too close, loudly yelling that he will save Orgrimmar. |
| 07:59.31 | Napoleone | i loved this part |
| 07:59.52 | Napoleone | over the last 7 years I've really gotten to respect him ;) |
| 08:00.02 | airtonix | tmi |
| 08:00.18 | Torhal | airtonix: Did you accidentally your? |
| 08:00.33 | Dagmar | Yipes! 460 "SE" means "slow edition" |
| 08:00.40 | Napoleone | also seen the TGCard with gamon? |
| 08:02.12 | KarlKFI | Shirik: you win |
| 08:02.33 | Shirik | :D |
| 08:02.50 | Napoleone | In a PC World article, Hogger was voted as #24 of the 47 "most diabolical videogame villains of all time". lol wtf |
| 08:03.26 | Dagmar | Napoleone: Because he is your first introduction in the game to "'Elite' means this guy will probably kick your ass" |
| 08:03.46 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 08:03.50 | Dagmar | As Alliance, until they started rejiggering outdoor elites, he's the first one you saw, and he'd generally kill you |
| 08:03.58 | Napoleone | did you know lvl 1's cant start a raid |
| 08:04.02 | Napoleone | anymore |
| 08:04.05 | Napoleone | that sucks |
| 08:04.11 | Napoleone | no mroe survival runs lol |
| 08:04.17 | airtonix | ? |
| 08:04.25 | KarlKFI | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54eG9o37R0 |
| 08:04.35 | Dagmar | I can remember not being able to kill Hogger in a fair fight until I was level goddamn 14 at as fire mage |
| 08:04.53 | Napoleone | survival runs.. a bunch of lvl 1's from from starter area to org -> zepp to STV, and then to hogger |
| 08:04.55 | Dagmar | During beta I was 15 before I could be _sure_ to win |
| 08:05.14 | airtonix | is it farnel that you buy oem electronics from ? |
| 08:05.19 | Napoleone | normally between 40-120 people did it.. and the last survivor wins g' ;P |
| 08:06.44 | airtonix | no-one here remembers that grandpa |
| 08:07.07 | Dagmar | shows you a finger |
| 08:07.57 | Napoleone | lol nice zelda |
| 08:08.16 | Dagmar | I guess I'll just get the eVGA one that's _not_ overclocked at the factory. Yeesh |
| 08:08.33 | Dagmar | I'm somewhat astonished they're selling both models for the same price |
| 08:08.57 | Mirrormn | what are you getting? |
| 08:09.06 | Dagmar | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562 |
| 08:09.14 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/gP19l.jpg (nsfw text) |
| 08:09.48 | Dagmar | There's an identical one called the "Superclocked" version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130563 |
| 08:09.55 | Dagmar | Literally, overclocked out of the factory |
| 08:10.14 | Jerub | i wish newegg shipped to .au |
| 08:10.25 | Dagmar | Theyr'e playing a very odd game there, knowing that the higher you clock the same part, the sooner it dies |
| 08:10.42 | Napoleone | all i can say is WTF just happened, zelda, matrix 4, x-men4, blade 4, aquaman, WTF |
| 08:10.56 | Dagmar | Napoleone: Huh? |
| 08:11.25 | KarlKFI | you forgot "Minesweeper - The Movie" |
| 08:12.07 | Fisker | slaps KarlKFI around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:12.28 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 08:12.28 | Mirrormn | $140 |
| 08:12.32 | Mirrormn | that's not too bad |
| 08:12.38 | Napoleone | those are new movies on the way lol |
| 08:12.50 | Mirrormn | that card was like $125 a couple weeks ago |
| 08:12.54 | Mirrormn | 10% off coupon |
| 08:12.56 | Mirrormn | expired now =/ |
| 08:13.02 | Dagmar | Yeah, I know... |
| 08:13.05 | Fisker | :OOOOOOOO |
| 08:13.22 | Fisker | http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 08:13.29 | airtonix | no |
| 08:13.32 | airtonix | please die |
| 08:13.33 | KarlKFI | "That clock is gonna keep tickign till it gets to 999!" "What happens then!?" "NOTHING! You just suck!" |
| 08:13.48 | Corrodias | "the higher you clock the same part, the sooner it dies" may be true, but how often does a video card stop working due to repeated heat before it's 5 years old? |
| 08:14.00 | Fisker | no airtonix |
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| 08:14.14 | Corrodias | i certainly have no idea |
| 08:14.15 | Fisker | though i probably can't use it since flash is integrated in GEWGLE KRÃ
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| 08:14.22 | Dajova | hmm, howoo, servers back up <3 |
| 08:14.34 | airtonix | addict |
| 08:14.34 | Fisker | zomg Dajova |
| 08:14.45 | Dajova | :D |
| 08:14.49 | Fisker | too soon |
| 08:14.49 | Dagmar | I generally do not worry about discounts or rebates |
| 08:14.56 | Dagmar | If I"m gonna buy something, the money is no longer an issue |
| 08:15.07 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 08:15.07 | Dagmar | ...and the rebates are generlaly far more trouble than they're worth |
| 08:15.18 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:15.20 | Mirrormn | I generally obsess about finding something for the lowest possible price |
| 08:15.27 | Mirrormn | and will wait weeks to save 5 or 10 dollars |
| 08:15.34 | Fisker | you just have a fucked up way of dealing with rebates |
| 08:15.37 | Fisker | mail-in = lols |
| 08:15.49 | airtonix | fucks up fisker |
| 08:15.57 | airtonix | i stole your lube |
| 08:16.03 | Dagmar | Nah, this is my idea of "fair shopping". I use NewEgg for their search engine and decide _what_ to buy. |
| 08:16.07 | Dagmar | Then I go looking for a lower price |
| 08:16.15 | airtonix | and then ? |
| 08:16.31 | Dagmar | If I'm having to buy a bunch of things I don't bother with that, but if it's just the one thing, occasionally I luck out |
| 08:16.48 | Napoleone | eu servers back up? |
| 08:17.12 | Napoleone | awesome |
| 08:17.49 | Dagmar | Newegg seems to be _really_ agressive about pricing for the "just behind cutting" stuff like this |
| 08:18.14 | Dagmar | Only seldom do I find stuff cheaper elsewhere |
| 08:18.51 | airtonix | I say chaps! this picoLCD is going to rather great. |
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| 08:21.10 | Dagmar | airtonix: The damn taiwanese are holding out on us on those things |
| 08:22.00 | Dagmar | Wait... *this thing*? http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/12/usb-enabled-picolcd-sideshow-display-may-soon-be-a-collectors-i/ |
| 08:22.25 | airtonix | https://www.mini-box.com.au/purchase/inner-page.asp?laCode=ENGAU&menuId=28&pageId=172 |
| 08:22.51 | Fisker | i'm sick airtonix |
| 08:23.09 | airtonix | i bought the 256X64 oem version so i need to buy a keypad that fits a zif slot |
| 08:23.13 | Dagmar | Youch you guys pay a lot for those |
| 08:26.36 | Dagmar | I am pissed that little desktop one isn't for sale anymore |
| 08:26.44 | Dagmar | I may go look that up on ebay later |
| 08:27.50 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-256x64-OEM |
| 08:28.33 | Dagmar | Yeah but then there's the matter of what to case it in |
| 08:28.42 | Dagmar | Good thing for me I have a nice PVR-style case |
| 08:28.55 | Dagmar | ...and a wide assortment of tools for precision destruction |
| 08:28.58 | airtonix | wtf |
| 08:29.18 | airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-256x64-Sideshow-CDROM-Bay |
| 08:29.39 | airtonix | i should have bought that version instead |
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| 08:30.42 | Mirrormn | I find it difficult to justify something like that when you can get things like this http://www.amazon.com/7IN-LCD-800X480-350-DS-70U/dp/B002Q0WNOS |
| 08:31.53 | airtonix | that requires alot more power |
| 08:32.19 | Mirrormn | your mom requires a lot more power |
| 08:32.23 | Mirrormn | and I was happy to provide it |
| 08:32.38 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 08:32.45 | Dagmar | Horrible, horrible timing. |
| 08:32.52 | airtonix | the man has a stoma bag fetish |
| 08:34.41 | Dagmar | Ooo.. eff me |
| 08:34.49 | Dagmar | I have to buy a new power supply, too |
| 08:34.54 | airtonix | not without lube |
| 08:35.10 | Dagmar | That'll teach me to know what I'm doing when I build a PC |
| 08:35.11 | airtonix | wouldn't want to tear something |
| 08:35.57 | Dagmar | I bought a 350W power supply because it was what it called for, and had some leg room, but I didn't expect video cards to start sucking down 4x the juice of my CPU |
| 08:36.19 | airtonix | yeaboi |
| 08:36.36 | Mirrormn | a 350watt psu for a desktop? O.o |
| 08:36.42 | Mirrormn | do they even make those anymore? |
| 08:36.47 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 08:37.03 | Dagmar | Keep in mind how many people buy thing things like it's some kind of penis replacement |
| 08:37.17 | Mirrormn | wat |
| 08:37.39 | Dagmar | I have seen SOOO many guys showing off their fancy new PC with it's 700W fancy PSU, and the whole machine won't draw 500W at full load |
| 08:37.51 | Mirrormn | well |
| 08:38.01 | Dagmar | They buy something they think is impressive and then they buy a PSU rated for _far_ beyond what is needed |
| 08:38.02 | Mirrormn | there are reasons to overcompensate in that area |
| 08:38.17 | Dagmar | Like a CRX with overhead blowers |
| 08:38.28 | Mirrormn | like a second video card for SLI/CF |
| 08:38.48 | Dagmar | Either way it's just waste heat |
| 08:39.02 | Mirrormn | waste heat? |
| 08:39.24 | Dagmar | Yes, you know that thing semiconductors do when power goes through them |
| 08:39.31 | Dagmar | They make heat. |
| 08:39.32 | Mirrormn | a higher rated PSU isn't going to actually use more energy than it needs to power the components |
| 08:39.42 | airtonix | Mirrormn, do those monitors that have usb video card devices even work with linux ? |
| 08:39.43 | Mirrormn | that would be ridiculous |
| 08:39.49 | airtonix | http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/review/doublesight-ds-70u-smart-7-lcd-usb-monitor/ |
| 08:39.52 | Mirrormn | I have no clue, airtonix |
| 08:40.51 | Mirrormn | I don't have one, and I don't use linux |
| 08:40.54 | Mirrormn | I just think they're neat |
| 08:40.55 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: No, it'll just waste more |
| 08:41.03 | Mirrormn | why would it waste more? |
| 08:41.36 | Mirrormn | I was under the impression that a higher rated PSU simply performed the same functions but either more efficiently, or with more cooling fans |
| 08:41.44 | Dagmar | Looser tolerances |
| 08:41.57 | Dagmar | You _always_ get heat |
| 08:42.00 | Mirrormn | for a higher rated PSU? that makes no sense |
| 08:42.14 | Mirrormn | and yes of course you always get heat |
| 08:42.55 | Dagmar | You've noticed the "80plus" stuff, right? |
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| 08:43.15 | Mirrormn | no |
| 08:43.27 | Dagmar | I mean, personally I think that's a pretty slack-ass standard, but basically they're proud of the fact that they're wasting less than 20% of the power they use |
| 08:44.03 | Fisker | not sure if imposter |
| 08:44.20 | Torhal | Fisker: airtonix has been you for a full day now. |
| 08:44.26 | Mirrormn | I still don't see how that has anything to do with higher-rated PSUs wasting more energy |
| 08:45.29 | Dagmar | The higher power-rated components generally take more power to do the job |
| 08:45.59 | Dagmar | Until I started paying attention to this my study never needed heat in the winter |
| 08:46.11 | Mirrormn | by components do you mean the cpu/gpu etc. or the psu? |
| 08:46.24 | Dagmar | The PSU. |
| 08:46.42 | Mirrormn | well, I still think that makes completely no sense |
| 08:46.52 | airtonix | like your face |
| 08:46.57 | Mirrormn | why would a high-rated PSU not be more efficient? |
| 08:47.07 | Fisker | it is |
| 08:47.09 | Dagmar | I have a 550w-rated PSU here for example that is quite warm, and its' doing less than my desktop |
| 08:48.05 | Mirrormn | that's such a vague argument that I can't even tell what you're intending to convey with it |
| 08:48.30 | Dagmar | The amount of power the PSU uses is directly tied to how much it's expected to do, not how much it's doing. |
| 08:48.57 | Dagmar | To use craptacular math it's because 20% of 300 is less than 20% of 500 |
| 08:49.27 | Mirrormn | the first thing has no direct logical correlation to the second |
| 08:49.43 | Fisker | You're not seriously trying to suggest that a 500W power supply will always use 500W even if the components don't need to use all of the power right? |
| 08:49.50 | Dagmar | No, Fisker, I'm not. |
| 08:50.23 | Dagmar | I am saying that a 500W-rated power supply will generally use more power just to convert 110VAC to 12V/5v feeds than a 300W model will |
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| 08:51.12 | Mirrormn | I am reading about this 80 plus initiative |
| 08:51.37 | Mirrormn | it says that to qualify, the PSU must be 80%+ efficient at 20%, 50%, and 100% of rated load |
| 08:51.39 | Dagmar | The heat isn't going to bother most people because they don't have a fsckton of comptuers |
| 08:51.39 | airtonix | loss is based on percentages |
| 08:52.05 | Dagmar | It's the sort of thing you rather quickly *notice* in a datacenter tho |
| 08:52.23 | airtonix | Dagmar, my lube bottle is larger than yours |
| 08:52.24 | Dagmar | We've got thermal and power monitoring going on |
| 08:52.50 | Dagmar | ...and I got kinda sick of my power bill being so damn high |
| 08:53.12 | Mirrormn | well, I am going to continue to disbelieve you until you present something more than vague first-hand experiences that directly counter my intuition |
| 08:53.14 | Dagmar | I replaced a bunch of gear and dropped my bill by $25/month |
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| 08:56.13 | Dagmar | Eventually they'll start posting the numbers about how many watts the PSU uses as max load |
| 08:56.35 | Adys | water in swamp of sorrows is broken? |
| 08:56.49 | airtonix | lol |
| 08:56.55 | Dagmar | Adys: Maybe diddle your water settings. Stormwind used to do that constantly |
| 08:57.28 | Adys | trying to figure out if its a wine bug |
| 08:57.29 | Adys | unlikely |
| 08:58.01 | Adys | but wondering if it happens on windows |
| 08:58.16 | Fisker | always a wine bug |
| 08:58.24 | Dagmar | I was there the other day to check out the newer, less maddening Sunken Temple |
| 08:58.28 | Dagmar | Water looked fine to me |
| 08:58.33 | Mirrormn | wine is a bug itself :P |
| 08:58.38 | Adys | only in the north Dagmar |
| 08:58.43 | Adys | lots of chunks of water just missing |
| 08:58.51 | Adys | Mirrormn: what? |
| 08:58.52 | airtonix | sqaures? |
| 08:58.56 | Adys | airtonix: yes |
| 08:59.07 | Mirrormn | I dunno, it just sounded pithy |
| 08:59.20 | airtonix | cubes? |
| 09:00.23 | Torhal | erases airtonix from existence. |
| 09:00.51 | airtonix | :( |
| 09:01.38 | airtonix | Torhal doesn't like cubes |
| 09:01.42 | airtonix | cubist |
| 09:01.49 | Torhal | lubist |
| 09:03.59 | zenzio | Ẽ |
| 09:04.02 | zenzio | oops |
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| 09:08.53 | Napoleone | hmm anyone can answer me how i can use dual link dvi |
| 09:11.25 | Dagmar | How do you use it for what? |
| 09:11.30 | Dagmar | Connecting two displays? |
| 09:11.37 | Dagmar | Go buy the y-splitter |
| 09:11.42 | Napoleone | well the gfx card supports dual dvi |
| 09:11.52 | Napoleone | and i have 2 dvi screens. |
| 09:11.53 | Dagmar | You have one DVI output port on it, right? |
| 09:11.57 | Napoleone | 2 |
| 09:12.06 | Dagmar | Just plug them both in then |
| 09:12.25 | Napoleone | http://www.midtdata.dk/newimages/1-500/1000194637.jpg |
| 09:12.29 | Dagmar | This doesn't confuse Windows or nVidia or ATI anyomre |
| 09:12.38 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 09:13.02 | Vandesdelca32 | To be honest, ATI hates dualscreens still >.> |
| 09:13.03 | Dagmar | You literally just plug them both in and Windows will notice you have two screens on your next reboot |
| 09:13.11 | Napoleone | ye |
| 09:13.22 | Vandesdelca32 | I have my ATI card set for two screens, and occasionally the mouse will mess up or something on one of the screeens. |
| 09:13.26 | Vandesdelca32 | It's not perfect, but it works. |
| 09:13.55 | Napoleone | but nvidia is better? |
| 09:13.59 | Dagmar | I |
| 09:14.07 | Dagmar | I've never seen it confuse nVidia cards at all |
| 09:14.16 | Dagmar | It's a complete non-issue with them |
| 09:14.52 | Dagmar | The only issue is that some (mainly older) cards can't do 3D on both screens at once if the combined res is wider than 2048 |
| 09:14.52 | Vandesdelca32 | Napoleone: Not trying to discourage you from using an ATI card, they work, it's the software behind the drivers that does the corrupting of the cursor, and even then it's rare... |
| 09:15.05 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 09:15.47 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 09:16.27 | Vandesdelca32 | If you've got both monitors plugged in, make sure windows isn't set to displaying on just one monitor... If you want a nice big desktop, set it to extended... |
| 09:17.08 | Napoleone | what i use atm |
| 09:17.24 | Napoleone | but my gfx has a hard time with particles and shit |
| 09:17.30 | Dagmar | I will say that Windows isn't smart enough to manage the background of two screens with different resolutions properly |
| 09:17.48 | Napoleone | running dual 1920x1080 |
| 09:18.12 | Dagmar | Napoleone: The issue I spoke of is only affecting you if you're playing WOW on them both at the same time |
| 09:18.16 | Vandesdelca32 | Same. Running two 1080p monitors on an ATI Radeon HD 5700 |
| 09:18.39 | Dagmar | I'm running 1920x1080 and 1680x1050 here |
| 09:19.39 | Vandesdelca32 | I try to play, even two copies of WoW, my video card hates me... but my CPU doesn't seem to be having any trouble keeping up... |
| 09:19.44 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 09:20.05 | Torhal | Napoleone: But if you're seriously going to use Linux, stay away from ATI. |
| 09:20.43 | bluspacecow | ~query Purl |
| 09:20.57 | Torhal | ~emulate bluspacecow |
| 09:21.10 | Vandesdelca32 | >.> |
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| 09:31.44 | Vandesdelca32 | Why did I come here again? I was thinking about going to bed and sign on to WoWUIDev to get addon coding help? |
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| 09:44.28 | Napoleone | lol |
| 09:44.49 | Napoleone | Context version of tab = hard tabs if set to 3 spaces, it does 3 3 3+2 3 |
| 09:44.53 | Napoleone | for no reason lol |
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| 09:52.05 | Napoleone | are there an editor with auto indentation like wowlua? |
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| 10:04.36 | crazedfred | I have a hypothetical question for you guys |
| 10:04.47 | Torhal | Napoleone: SciTE and NotePad++ should have it (or at least plugins) |
| 10:05.42 | crazedfred | Suppose I wanted to modify an addon for specific purposes (such that they probably wouldn't want the changes incorporated into the "mainline" addon). What would be the best method for forking their project, making changes, then getting updates from the main author when they update? |
| 10:06.12 | Torhal | Napoleone: And if you're so inclined (as I am), Emacs has a lua-mode |
| 10:06.23 | crazedfred | I understand this sort of thing can happen with projects like the Linux kernel or something, but am not familiar with how it is accomplished. |
| 10:07.04 | Torhal | crazedfred: Depends entirely on the original author and the project license. All Rights Reserved means you can't re-distribute, and a project with no posted license is automatically All Rights Reserved. |
| 10:07.31 | Torhal | As far as merging...that's usually on you, unless the project has a version control facility. |
| 10:07.40 | crazedfred | Torhal: right, license would be the first thing to check. |
| 10:07.56 | Torhal | You can modify it all you want as long as you don't re-distribute. |
| 10:07.57 | crazedfred | Torhal: in this case I'd most likely be talking about a CurseForge SVN repository |
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| 10:08.27 | Torhal | In that case, go to the project page, click the Repository tab, and clone it. |
| 10:08.29 | crazedfred | Torhal: for the purposes of this discussion let's assume I've contacted the author, checked the license ETC |
| 10:08.48 | crazedfred | Is that the same thing as an SVN branch? |
| 10:09.01 | Torhal | For all intents and purposes, yes. |
| 10:09.03 | crazedfred | K. |
| 10:09.21 | crazedfred | That makes sense, I guess I was asking more how to keep a project current with the original author's work. |
| 10:09.33 | crazedfred | just do an SVN merge into my fork, and resolve conflicts? |
| 10:09.39 | Torhal | Pretty much |
| 10:09.55 | crazedfred | What version of SVN are we running or CurseForge? (pre/post 1.5?) |
| 10:10.04 | crazedfred | *running on |
| 10:10.34 | Torhal | 1.6 |
| 10:10.41 | crazedfred | excellent |
| 10:10.52 | crazedfred | so unless I super-refactor everything, I should be pretty set |
| 10:10.53 | Torhal | Doesn't mean the original repo is |
| 10:10.57 | crazedfred | right |
| 10:11.04 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/polls/what-should-we-do-with-regards-to-svn/ |
| 10:11.15 | Torhal | Yuo can replace wowace with curseforge - same deal. |
| 10:11.31 | crazedfred | Are they run by the same people? |
| 10:11.38 | Torhal | Same site, different skins. |
| 10:11.43 | crazedfred | lol >< |
| 10:11.48 | Torhal | More strict ruleset on WoWAce though. |
| 10:12.08 | crazedfred | Gotcha. Can a project exist on both from one CurseForge repository? |
| 10:12.42 | Torhal | No - the repos are different paths on the machine. |
| 10:13.00 | crazedfred | IC |
| 10:13.17 | crazedfred | Another question - what would be a good way to ask for a code review? Are things like that done? |
| 10:13.35 | crazedfred | I am reasonably new to LUA and this Xmas will probably be writing a library to use later |
| 10:13.41 | Torhal | If you really want that sort of thing, post on the wowace forums. |
| 10:13.45 | crazedfred | kk |
| 10:13.54 | crazedfred | If someone has the time it would probably be a smart idea :) |
| 10:14.06 | crazedfred | I understand there's a lot of poorly coded addons |
| 10:14.15 | Torhal | CurseForge really doesn't have any community to speak of, and though the CF/WoWAce forums are linked, there are some threads which don't carry over for whatever reason. |
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| 10:14.23 | crazedfred | heh |
| 10:14.40 | crazedfred | well, at least my account credentials carry over |
| 10:14.44 | Eridius | If I need to send a decent amount of data over an addon channel, is AceComm-3.0 the correct way, or is there a non-Ace way that works? |
| 10:15.24 | Torhal | Eridius: http://www.wowace.com/addons/chatthrottlelib/ |
| 10:15.44 | crazedfred | That Ace library looks cool, I was wondering about throttlelib |
| 10:15.48 | Torhal | AceComm-3.0 uses that internally, IIRC |
| 10:15.53 | Eridius | Torhal: ah, I found a reference to that earlier but that reference was over a year old. It looks like AceComm-3.0 embeds throttlelib though |
| 10:15.59 | Torhal | Aye |
| 10:16.21 | Eridius | does AceComm-3.0 give any real benefit over using ChatThrottleLib, or should I just use the latter (as my addon does not use any part of Ace atm)? |
| 10:17.00 | Torhal | You don't have to use any other Ace lib, in most cases. Ace3 was designed so that most of the libs in the suite weren't inter-dependant. |
| 10:17.08 | crazedfred | This is probably a politically-loaded question, but I'm naive and will ask it anyway: how much bloat do libraries like Ace3 introduce? It seems like some of them provide very nice tools. |
| 10:17.29 | Eridius | Torhal: I'm leaning towards just embedding AceComm-3.0 as it appears to only depend on LibStub, I just have no experience whatsoever with embedding libraries |
| 10:17.36 | crazedfred | And by "bloat" I mean "how well coded are Ace libraries" |
| 10:17.38 | Torhal | Depends on your definition of bloat - Ace3 was designed to avoid the bloat that Ace2 had accrued. |
| 10:17.42 | crazedfred | IC |
| 10:17.46 | Torhal | They're pretty damn well-coded :) |
| 10:17.49 | crazedfred | Excellent |
| 10:18.00 | tekkub | of if you want a more exact answer |
| 10:18.00 | tekkub | 12 |
| 10:18.03 | Torhal | Eridius: If that's all you need, do that |
| 10:18.06 | Mirrormn | it depends what you're using them for |
| 10:18.09 | crazedfred | I don't give a damn about startup times or RAM use, I do care about CPU overhead :) |
| 10:18.18 | crazedfred | tekkub: thanks XD |
| 10:18.20 | tekkub | that's an odd pref |
| 10:18.27 | Eridius | speaking of embedding, am I supposed to just grab AceComm-3.0 and LibStub and drop them into my addon repo, and then just keep them up to date manually, or is there a better process? |
| 10:18.32 | tekkub | CPU overhead is generally the least of your concerns |
| 10:19.02 | crazedfred | tekkub: I see. Well, I have 12 GB RAM, and the target audience I'll be coding for it probably around that amount also |
| 10:19.16 | crazedfred | (I'll be writing addons aimed at multi-boxers) |
| 10:19.23 | tekkub | wow does everything it can to stay under 2 GiB |
| 10:19.34 | crazedfred | heh |
| 10:19.37 | Kalroth | casuals got shitty computers |
| 10:19.40 | tekkub | and, frankly, anything over a few MiB is far too large for an addon |
| 10:19.41 | crazedfred | right |
| 10:19.56 | crazedfred | tekkub: that's what I thought. Cool, I will look at Ace libraries then |
| 10:19.56 | Kalroth | and no, it stays under 2GiB because it's a 32-bit application |
| 10:20.00 | crazedfred | right |
| 10:20.15 | Kalroth | It'd use a ton more memory if they recompiled it as 64-bit |
| 10:20.19 | Torhal | Eridius: AceComm-3.0 can be embeded into your addon, either explicitly by calling AceComm:Embed(MyAddon) or by specifying it as an embeded library in your AceAddon. <-- from the documentation |
| 10:21.06 | Eridius | Torhal: yes, that means how to "embed" the functionality into your addon. I'm talking more about bundling it so it's available to be loaded in the first place |
| 10:21.15 | Torhal | And for individual lib docs: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ |
| 10:21.21 | Elkano | <+tekkub> and, frankly, anything over a few MiB is far too large for an addon <-- true, unless it has to manage tons of data |
| 10:21.25 | Torhal | Eridius: Call it from your ToC |
| 10:21.35 | tekkub | no, true for everything |
| 10:21.36 | Mirrormn | depends what distribution platform you are using |
| 10:21.36 | Eridius | Torhal: you're kinda missing the entire point of my question |
| 10:21.37 | Kalroth | No, Gatherer is a shitty addon, Elkano!! |
| 10:21.41 | tekkub | I manage tons of data :) |
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| 10:21.59 | Kalroth | All damage meter addons are crappy too |
| 10:22.02 | Mirrormn | for wowace, you're supposed to define your libraries as externals in your .pkgmeta file |
| 10:22.04 | Elkano | also, an addon not taking care of memory most likely generates tons of garbadge which will result in additional CPU used for collecting |
| 10:22.10 | crazedfred | For those interested: http://www.wowpedia.org/ChatThrottleLib |
| 10:22.11 | Torhal | Eridius: You slap it into your AddOn folder, and point your ToC at the path to load it. I don't see what I'm missing. |
| 10:22.17 | crazedfred | documentation on ChatThrottleLib |
| 10:22.20 | tekkub | I think my addons, all loaded up with tourguide and engravings and all the other shit I run, might peak out at 10MiB |
| 10:22.26 | tekkub | the default UI likes to pull 14MiB |
| 10:22.54 | Eridius | Torhal: presumably I'd want to keep it up-to-date. So the question is, is there a better way to do that, or should I really just drop it in and then periodically update to the latest if there's changes |
| 10:23.28 | Torhal | Eridius: Depends on where you're hosting it. If WoWAce/CurseForge, you'd use a .pkgmeta file and -not- hard-embed it into your repo. |
| 10:23.30 | Elkano | well, iirc ItemDB ended up with 3-4mb with it's tables that had around 50k entries ^^' |
| 10:23.46 | Torhal | If you're not hosting there or not using version control there, you'd have to manually update |
| 10:23.55 | tekkub | tables are a bitch |
| 10:24.13 | Eridius | Torhal: the addon is on curseforge. If I used such a thing, that would only affect packaged versions downloaded from the site, right? So how do I deal with loading my addon from the svn repo instead of with a packaged version? |
| 10:24.29 | crazedfred | Is there a library somewhere that would help me keep data synchronized across multiple people? |
| 10:24.40 | Torhal | Eridius: I handle that by running my libs standalone. |
| 10:24.55 | tekkub | you're writing a... *drumroll* |
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| 10:24.59 | tekkub | DKP ADDON! |
| 10:25.02 | tekkub | fucking DKP |
| 10:25.03 | crazedfred | what? |
| 10:25.05 | crazedfred | no. |
| 10:25.06 | crazedfred | lol |
| 10:25.08 | tekkub | what? nothing |
| 10:25.09 | Torhal | Multi-box |
| 10:25.12 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 10:25.12 | Eridius | Torhal: won't my .toc then be referencing files that aren't in the addon? Or am I supposed to not include the libs in my .toc and curseforge will insert them when packaging? |
| 10:25.15 | Elkano | I know but they gave me easy access to a list of ids :( |
| 10:25.19 | tekkub | oh, even worse^ |
| 10:25.24 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 10:25.25 | crazedfred | aww fuck off :P |
| 10:25.25 | Eridius | tekkub: lol, I actually need to solve the synchronization issue for a DKP addon ;) |
| 10:25.27 | Torhal | Eridius: You'd use #OptionalDeps in the ToC |
| 10:25.51 | crazedfred | I'm thinking of writing a very modular data-sync library. |
| 10:25.53 | Eridius | Torhal: I thought that just meant "load these libraries first, if they exist"? Rather than referencing the files directly in my .toc |
| 10:26.27 | crazedfred | EG, you would define various tables, what happens when they change, etc, and let the library handle the rest |
| 10:26.29 | Torhal | Eridius: There's a packager mechanism for that: #@no-lib-strip@ |
| 10:26.41 | crazedfred | doing intelligent compression + hash checking to be robusrt |
| 10:26.43 | crazedfred | *robust |
| 10:26.52 | Eridius | Torhal: I take it if I search curseforge I should be able to find docs on this? |
| 10:26.59 | Torhal | Eridius: http://kb.wowace.com/repositories/repository-keyword-substitutions/ |
| 10:27.04 | Eridius | excelltn, thanks |
| 10:27.05 | Torhal | Eridius: http://kb.wowace.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/ |
| 10:27.24 | Torhal | As usual, you can replace wowace with curseforge in the URL |
| 10:27.43 | Eridius | thank you, that's really helpful |
| 10:27.52 | crazedfred | the curseforge owners have an impressive setup going on |
| 10:27.57 | Torhal | You can also svn/git/hg pull an existing project to see how they have theirs set up |
| 10:28.42 | Eridius | good idea |
| 10:29.05 | Eridius | I'm beginning to think I should just cave and port this addon on top of Ace3 |
| 10:29.15 | crazedfred | Eridius: http://www.wowpedia.org/ChatThrottleLib |
| 10:29.19 | crazedfred | Read the bottom |
| 10:29.22 | crazedfred | "How to use ChatThrottleLib " |
| 10:29.28 | crazedfred | They clearly explain both options :) |
| 10:29.32 | Torhal | Up to you. I use Ace3 in many of my projects, and I don't use any libs at all in others. |
| 10:31.36 | crazedfred | Do these communication libraries automatically apply compression? |
| 10:31.38 | Eridius | alright, thanks for all the help guys, I think it will be tremendously useful. But for now, it is time to sleep. good night |
| 10:32.00 | crazedfred | EG, it would make sense for large-ish transfers to gzip if there's an implementation in LUA |
| 10:33.44 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-serializer-3-0/ |
| 10:33.46 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libcompress/ |
| 10:34.13 | crazedfred | perfect. Thanks :) |
| 10:34.44 | crazedfred | is there a list of such libraries so I can stop asking dumb questions? :) |
| 10:35.44 | Torhal | Not really, but there's a community "standard" that says libraries are prefixed by "Lib"... |
| 10:35.46 | Torhal | So... |
| 10:35.47 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/addons/?letter=l |
| 10:36.02 | crazedfred | Roger that. |
| 10:37.01 | crazedfred | This is going to be both harder and easier than I thought it was going to be. |
| 10:37.05 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:37.20 | Mirrormn | what is that you're doing, again? |
| 10:37.33 | crazedfred | Writing an addon aimed at multi-boxers (of which I am one) |
| 10:37.44 | Mirrormn | to do what? |
| 10:37.46 | crazedfred | I code for a living, and multi-boxers lack a large addon commitment |
| 10:37.58 | crazedfred | various things, mostly UI assistance |
| 10:38.24 | crazedfred | I have a lot of ideas, many of which would rely on correctly synchronizing data, so attacking that first as a separate project. |
| 10:38.38 | Mirrormn | can you give an example? |
| 10:39.31 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/jamba.aspx |
| 10:39.38 | crazedfred | I am aware of Jamba: |
| 10:39.41 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: typing |
| 10:40.20 | crazedfred | One idea I had was essentially a mass-inspect. Keep in memory what each character has equipped, and have that updated whenever equipment of a team member changes (each team member has the addon and is responsible for sending updates). Then when you're wondering what everyone has, you open a large UI frame that has all that data. |
| 10:40.37 | Mirrormn | sounds neat |
| 10:40.42 | crazedfred | There are several high-level areas of frustration ("ugh, I wish an addon took care of <issue X> for me!") |
| 10:40.45 | Torhal | crazedfred: Altoholic (via DataStore) |
| 10:40.52 | crazedfred | Yes, I'm aware of that also :P) |
| 10:40.57 | Mirrormn | lol Torhal |
| 10:41.02 | crazedfred | No I appreciate it |
| 10:41.03 | Mirrormn | just slangin addons all over the place |
| 10:41.10 | Torhal | Just saying, if you want ideas on how to achieve it :P |
| 10:41.16 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:41.19 | crazedfred | Right. I appreciate your suggestions! |
| 10:41.34 | crazedfred | My point is that there's a missing "hey, open the box and X-Y-Z will all 'just work'" |
| 10:41.36 | Mirrormn | hugs Torhal |
| 10:41.42 | crazedfred | An "apple" approach to multi-boxing |
| 10:41.54 | crazedfred | My addon would probably run alongside Jamba, doing different things. |
| 10:41.59 | Mirrormn | *sigh* now I have to set you on fire, crazedfred |
| 10:42.03 | crazedfred | lol |
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| 10:42.21 | crazedfred | Well, this is a hugely ambitious project for a first-time (maybe second-time) addon writer |
| 10:42.21 | Mirrormn | set you on fire and throw apples at you |
| 10:42.28 | crazedfred | I code for a living, but still, new to LUA |
| 10:42.35 | crazedfred | So you can safely expect me to fall flat on my face |
| 10:42.43 | Mirrormn | WoW/Lua is a fun program |
| 10:42.44 | Torhal | Lua - no acronym |
| 10:42.46 | Mirrormn | er |
| 10:42.48 | Mirrormn | platform |
| 10:42.57 | crazedfred | Torhal: haha, I've made that mistake at least 3/4 times now :P |
| 10:43.15 | crazedfred | One question is, is there a good way to test addons WITHOUT launching WoW? |
| 10:43.20 | Torhal | Nope. |
| 10:43.25 | crazedfred | blarg |
| 10:43.29 | Mirrormn | well |
| 10:43.38 | Torhal | But you don't have to exit when you make changes - /reload |
| 10:43.42 | Mirrormn | using /reload will re-compile your addons from source |
| 10:43.45 | crazedfred | EG, syncing data is largely WoW independent, it would be nice to at least catch syntax errors |
| 10:43.46 | crazedfred | Ah. |
| 10:44.05 | Mirrormn | and syntax errors alone can be caught outside of WoW |
| 10:44.13 | Mirrormn | some editors will do syntax checking in real time |
| 10:44.25 | crazedfred | I'd probably use Notepad++ unless there's a solid IDE out there |
| 10:44.28 | Torhal | I use luac -p (or -l) |
| 10:44.44 | Torhal | There are IDEs. I point and laugh at people who use them. |
| 10:44.50 | crazedfred | Thought as much |
| 10:45.02 | Mirrormn | in my experience, there are no "good" IDEs for wow development |
| 10:45.05 | Torhal | They're outdated, make frames in XML only, and don't allow you to learn the API. |
| 10:45.09 | Mirrormn | I've tried quite a few of them |
| 10:45.14 | crazedfred | I love me some NetBeans for Java, dot-completion FTW, but for a scripting language.... yea |
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| 10:45.35 | Torhal | crazedfred: If you're adventurous, there is one that sylvanaar is working on... |
| 10:45.36 | Mirrormn | actually I did like WoW UI Designer |
| 10:45.45 | crazedfred | I was gonna ask about UI Designer |
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| 10:45.54 | Mirrormn | (although I found its actual UI developer thing useless) |
| 10:46.10 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=309365&postcount=3 |
| 10:46.10 | Mirrormn | but, WoW UI Designer's replace function is broken! |
| 10:46.12 | crazedfred | It seems pretty impressive for creating UI frames, I wonder how adjustable it is |
| 10:46.37 | Mirrormn | I also tried the IntelliJ IDE |
| 10:46.38 | crazedfred | Torhal: how does this much information fit in your brain? |
| 10:46.39 | crazedfred | lol |
| 10:46.47 | Mirrormn | it was the most bloated program I've ever run on my computer |
| 10:46.51 | Mirrormn | ^_^ |
| 10:46.59 | crazedfred | That sounds like a challenge |
| 10:47.07 | Torhal | crazedfred: No clue. Though, it's probably why I forget names and a good portion of my past :) |
| 10:47.11 | crazedfred | lol |
| 10:47.25 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: when I installed the LabView software, it was multiple DVDs and three hours |
| 10:47.31 | Mirrormn | It was actually getting to the point where the editor would lag for 2-3 seconds whenever I typed anything |
| 10:47.37 | crazedfred | Oh wait, we already know the most bloated program: WORLD OF WARCRAFT |
| 10:47.39 | crazedfred | nevermind >< |
| 10:47.43 | Mirrormn | hahaha |
| 10:47.46 | crazedfred | up to wat, 23 gigs now?! |
| 10:47.48 | crazedfred | WTF is in there |
| 10:47.50 | Mirrormn | WoW is not bloated, it is just very large |
| 10:47.55 | Torhal | Music and textures |
| 10:48.04 | Mirrormn | well actually |
| 10:48.10 | Mirrormn | since I keep sound disabled at all times |
| 10:48.15 | crazedfred | Somebody should figure out how to delete all the music files and trick WoW into not noticing |
| 10:48.15 | Mirrormn | all the sound files are bloat to me |
| 10:48.17 | Mirrormn | =/ |
| 10:48.17 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 10:48.29 | Torhal | 0-length files. |
| 10:48.34 | Mirrormn | they should release a Silent Edition lol |
| 10:48.40 | crazedfred | Doesn't it do checksums? |
| 10:48.47 | crazedfred | I'm pretty sure the repair does at least |
| 10:48.52 | Torhal | Though since it's all in the MPQ files, all those files would do is mute |
| 10:49.03 | crazedfred | Clearly we need a custom NTFS driver |
| 10:50.16 | Mirrormn | get right on that |
| 10:50.19 | crazedfred | kk |
| 10:50.32 | crazedfred | *three hours later* AAAAAAH WHY DID I PLAY GOOOOODDDDDD |
| 10:50.37 | Mirrormn | hehe |
| 10:50.39 | crazedfred | *fire* |
| 10:51.00 | Mirrormn | actually that would be really useful to me |
| 10:51.18 | Torhal | Mirrormn: What, RL-GodMode? |
| 10:51.19 | Mirrormn | if I could trim all the sound files out of WoW, I'd have room on my SSD for other games :( |
| 10:51.25 | crazedfred | ^ |
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| 10:51.38 | crazedfred | I bet sound, music, and localization take up a LOT of space. |
| 10:51.48 | crazedfred | Does the US version download Spanish, etc? |
| 10:51.50 | Mirrormn | I had to move Starcraft 2 to hard drive to get 4.0 to install |
| 10:51.51 | Torhal | No |
| 10:51.54 | crazedfred | k |
| 10:52.14 | Torhal | If you get the Interface Kit, you'll find a file called GlobalStrings.lua |
| 10:52.22 | Torhal | Has constants with locale definitions |
| 10:53.16 | Torhal | crazedfred: ABANDON_QUEST_CONFIRM_WITH_ITEMS = "Abandon \"%s\", destroying %s?"; |
| 10:53.40 | crazedfred | I was saying like localization of the WoW client |
| 10:53.48 | Torhal | That's the localization |
| 10:53.49 | crazedfred | in terms of saving space and cutting cruft out |
| 10:53.50 | crazedfred | ah |
| 10:53.57 | crazedfred | I was thinking if it downloaded multiple sound files |
| 10:54.03 | Torhal | Aaah |
| 10:54.12 | Torhal | No, only for your locale |
| 10:54.18 | Torhal | Same with GlobalStrings.lua |
| 10:54.39 | crazedfred | my point still stands though, I'd think - cutting music and/or sound out would be nice for a lotta folks |
| 10:54.41 | Torhal | Has the same constants (ABANDON_QUEST_CONFIRM_WITH_ITEMS, for example) with definitions for your specific locale |
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| 10:55.32 | Mirrormn | I'd probably be willing to drop cinematics, too |
| 10:55.35 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 10:55.49 | crazedfred | Ooooh Emmm Geee The LK is deaaaad |
| 10:55.51 | Torhal | Localization becomes really interesting when you consider possessives |
| 10:55.54 | Torhal | ACTION_SPELL_STOLEN_FULL_TEXT = "%1$s %2$s steals %4$s %5$s." |
| 10:56.03 | crazedfred | Torhal: how hard is it to localize an addon, anyway? |
| 10:56.35 | Torhal | Not hard if you take things like gender/possessive case into consideration. |
| 10:57.08 | Torhal | Ungh. 6am |
| 10:57.15 | Torhal | Son wakes up at 7:30 |
| 10:57.21 | Mirrormn | 6am :) |
| 10:57.25 | Torhal | blames Fisker. |
| 10:57.44 | Mirrormn | I'm currently adjusting my sleep schedule for cataclysm release =S |
| 10:58.09 | Torhal | Mikk: Rename your damn lib - it's non-standards-conformant! :D |
| 10:59.23 | Mirrormn | you better form a comittee to make an official standard out of the de facto naming conventions |
| 10:59.49 | crazedfred | lol |
| 11:00.22 | crazedfred | I use Java function/variable conventions everywhere, because... fuck yo' conventions man :P |
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| 11:00.50 | Mirrormn | I name my variables after the first item I see looking around my room |
| 11:00.55 | crazedfred | rofl |
| 11:01.04 | Lulia | vanityMirror |
| 11:01.16 | crazedfred | "Herp derp we decided to do capitalization different from everyone else you guys, this is serious business" |
| 11:01.23 | Lulia | bureauDrawer |
| 11:01.29 | Torhal | cockRing |
| 11:01.33 | Napoleone | i name my vars with a prefix of the addon |
| 11:01.37 | Mirrormn | and function names are all composed of a string of the character "a" repeated an arbitrary number of times |
| 11:01.52 | Torhal | Mirrormn: You wrote Carbonite? |
| 11:01.54 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 11:02.11 | crazedfred | I plan on making all my addons incomprehensible, nonsensical combinations of acronyms |
| 11:02.16 | crazedfred | "FTL TOC FTW" |
| 11:02.16 | Mikk | Torhal: what lib!! |
| 11:02.28 | Mirrormn | someone was telling me that's actually against the ToC |
| 11:02.33 | crazedfred | lol |
| 11:02.35 | Mirrormn | you're not allowed to obfuscate your code |
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| 11:02.41 | Torhal | Mikk: ChatThrottleLib! (Yes, I know, it's a holdover from before the "convention" existed) |
| 11:02.59 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: RIGHT, and they absolutely have a plan to enforce it |
| 11:03.02 | Mikk | ESAD, HTH, HAND =) |
| 11:03.02 | crazedfred | rolls eyes |
| 11:03.02 | Torhal | Mirrormn: It is, but they got an exception (they submitted the original code to Blizzard) |
| 11:03.13 | Mirrormn | "they"? |
| 11:03.20 | Torhal | Carbonite's author(s) |
| 11:03.26 | crazedfred | Mirrormn: Blizzard |
| 11:03.29 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 11:03.41 | Mirrormn | I didn't know Carbonite was obfuscated actually |
| 11:03.45 | Mikk | so eh what they keep resubmitting every time they change something? |
| 11:03.56 | Mikk | smells bullshit |
| 11:04.14 | Torhal | Mikk: Apparently, since Blizzard killed their "We don't have day jobs" lifestyle, their updates are rather infrequent. |
| 11:05.12 | crazedfred | Making a day job of WoW addons sounds like a great way to fuck up both your career path and your life in general |
| 11:05.36 | Mikk | a bit |
| 11:06.13 | crazedfred | So... we decided to base our business model on selling python scripts, please don't copy/paste this text or you will bankrupt our company |
| 11:06.27 | Torhal | All Rights Reserved, and all that. |
| 11:06.32 | crazedfred | heh :P |
| 11:06.39 | Torhal | And apparently they were making not only enough to live off of, but to sue. |
| 11:06.48 | Torhal | So... |
| 11:06.50 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 11:07.02 | Mirrormn | the only useful thing I do all day is code addons :( |
| 11:07.39 | crazedfred | Jamba is All Rights Reserved, which is annoying |
| 11:07.52 | Mirrormn | I did actually make some money earlier, though, that was rather surprising |
| 11:07.54 | Torhal | I say "allegedly" and "apparently" because I've been yelled at enough over these things to realize text doesn't implicitly convey those words. |
| 11:08.09 | crazedfred | who did they sue? |
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| 11:08.39 | Torhal | Nobody that I'm aware of, but they were doing well from donations and premium-upgrade versions |
| 11:08.51 | crazedfred | ic |
| 11:09.05 | crazedfred | See if I wanted to make money on addons I'd just... submit them to CurseForge |
| 11:09.23 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 11:09.23 | crazedfred | seems to me like if you have a popular addon it'd be worth your while, def. not a job, but nice anyway |
| 11:09.40 | crazedfred | I was really surprised to find I'd earned a $20 for being inactive for a year :P |
| 11:09.44 | Torhal | Yah...I've cashed in roughly $2k this year. |
| 11:09.59 | crazedfred | I'm pretty sure back when I was active they didn't have a compensation system |
| 11:10.13 | crazedfred | so I come back and they're all "here have a gift card" |
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| 11:11.24 | crazedfred | On another note entirely: How do addon communication channels work? |
| 11:11.25 | Torhal | crazedfred: http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/author-reward-points-one-month-in/ |
| 11:11.53 | Napoleone | lol hes not confusing he's making it unique |
| 11:11.55 | crazedfred | Yea think that was after my time |
| 11:12.00 | Torhal | crazedfred: Posted by ckknight on Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:52:49 |
| 11:12.03 | crazedfred | Yup |
| 11:12.19 | crazedfred | R: v1.2 for 3.0.9 on 27 Feb 2009 was my last |
| 11:12.23 | crazedfred | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/coolrepair/ |
| 11:12.25 | Torhal | !api sendaddonmessage |
| 11:12.26 | lua_bot | SendAddonMessage: Sends a chat-like message receivable by other addons (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage) |
| 11:12.52 | crazedfred | "are not modified if the sending character is drunk" rofl |
| 11:12.55 | Torhal | crazedfred: Well, apparently you signed up, because the rewards program is opt-in only. |
| 11:13.01 | crazedfred | strange |
| 11:13.11 | crazedfred | ERROR: your character is shitfaced, please try again later |
| 11:13.59 | crazedfred | Hmmm so no custom channels |
| 11:14.31 | Torhal | crazedfred: It only makes sense - since the AddOn message "channels" are designed for AddOn-to-AddOn communication, it would really suck if your toon being drunk affected it. |
| 11:14.37 | crazedfred | right lol :) |
| 11:14.41 | crazedfred | was joking around |
| 11:14.43 | aualin | I know prat has a module for displaying all addon messages you recieve |
| 11:14.53 | crazedfred | sounds like a spamfest |
| 11:15.04 | Torhal | crazedfred: Speaking of which - http://www.wowace.com/addons/spamalyzer/ |
| 11:15.29 | crazedfred | Another cool tool! Thanks. |
| 11:16.21 | unfo- | re: spam, i am quite sad in a way that the amount of gold spammers (privmsg) has decreased... i haven't gotten any good AGT sessions going |
| 11:16.33 | crazedfred | AGT = ? |
| 11:17.06 | unfo- | automated goblin therapist |
| 11:17.18 | Torhal | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9780-AGT-AutomaticGoblinTherapist.html |
| 11:17.21 | TMc51 | Does anybody know if Fontain still works? |
| 11:17.22 | aualin | Now, that sounds creepy |
| 11:17.28 | unfo- | it is :D |
| 11:17.29 | Torhal | TMc51: I use it. |
| 11:17.36 | TMc51 | Thanks Torhal. |
| 11:17.43 | crazedfred | "From now on your personal Automatic Goblin Therapist will do the job for you. He will do the full conversation for you - guarding your back AND doing all the treatment." |
| 11:18.28 | crazedfred | "A left click on a character in the Waiting Room moves it to Surgery where the last whisper and all further whispers are automatically answered by your diligent Goblin Therapist." |
| 11:18.29 | crazedfred | wat. |
| 11:18.51 | unfo- | yeah. it uses Elizabot-style replie |
| 11:18.53 | unfo- | replies* |
| 11:19.05 | unfo- | "How does that make you feel" and "Please tell me more of this" |
| 11:19.10 | unfo- | check out best discussions |
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| 11:19.28 | crazedfred | RIFK |
| 11:19.34 | crazedfred | *ROFL |
| 11:19.35 | crazedfred | NO WAY |
| 11:21.22 | crazedfred | Oh my god this made my day. |
| 11:22.27 | aualin | Trying some elizabot on a web page, saying hi makes her mad and asks if i never greet people with a hello. |
| 11:22.54 | crazedfred | This sounds like the best addon ever. I wish my server had more spam! |
| 11:22.59 | crazedfred | And/or random fools |
| 11:23.21 | aualin | If you are in Europe, im in a pretty good server myself |
| 11:23.30 | aualin | As in full of random fools |
| 11:23.46 | crazedfred | lol |
| 11:23.58 | crazedfred | I need to mod this to make it work for mutli-boxers |
| 11:24.12 | crazedfred | apparently 5-boxing attracts a large percentage of fools |
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| 11:27.45 | Napoleone | i like thats BS is the only one with info on new recpies |
| 11:28.04 | crazedfred | they do a /roll and stagger the updates |
| 11:28.45 | aualin | Making portals for people is a gold mine, occasionaly you get some real smart guy paying 30-50g |
| 11:28.55 | Napoleone | logging my mage ;P |
| 11:29.54 | aualin | Is there a library for recycling frames, or do i have to write it myself? |
| 11:30.56 | Napoleone | recycling? |
| 11:31.18 | Mirrormn | I actually got a 200g portal tip earlier today => |
| 11:31.34 | Napoleone | nice |
| 11:31.34 | aualin | Highest i have gotten is 100g |
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| 11:35.30 | Mikk | aualin: you should write it yourself, since you know how you modified the frames, and know what to do to reset them |
| 11:35.54 | Mikk | (or indeed what, if anything, actually NEEDS recycling) |
| 11:36.01 | Mikk | errr.. needs resetting |
| 11:36.54 | aualin | Mikk: Okay, i'll do that then |
| 11:41.38 | Napoleone | wow 3 mins 100g lol |
| 11:41.40 | Napoleone | i love my mage |
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| 11:45.10 | bleetah | i need a gun to shoot that fucking sunflower. the end. |
| 11:45.12 | aualin | Who doesn't :D |
| 11:45.35 | aualin | The above message was aimed at Napoleone, btw |
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| 11:51.28 | Fisker | slaps Mirrormn around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:51.45 | Mirrormn | totally freaks out and rips Fisker's head off |
| 11:51.49 | Fisker | slapped over rdp |
| 11:51.54 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 11:52.02 | Napoleone | nice timing aualin |
| 11:52.02 | Mirrormn | rdp? |
| 11:52.18 | Napoleone | raping death penetration |
| 11:52.19 | Napoleone | ? |
| 11:52.37 | aualin | I believe it's microsofts remote control shit |
| 11:52.48 | aualin | Remote Desktop Protocol? |
| 11:52.58 | Mirrormn | Rotating Death Platform |
| 11:53.06 | crazedfred | RDP is the one, yea |
| 11:53.07 | Mirrormn | if I know anything about Fisker |
| 11:53.31 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 11:53.35 | Lulia | ugh, every time I try to log into Curse it keeps sending me to the Join Now page. >.> |
| 11:53.58 | aualin | Lulia: Handy if you are testing something that remembers login credentials |
| 11:54.12 | Lulia | It's not letting me log in though |
| 11:54.24 | Lulia | None of the login links are actually bringing up a login :P |
| 11:56.47 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 11:58.44 | Jerub | hm. |
| 11:59.07 | Jerub | is it worth spending 2000 JP on saronites to get my new shammy her legs? |
| 11:59.16 | Napoleone | yes |
| 11:59.28 | Napoleone | jp has a value of almost 0 atm |
| 11:59.38 | Napoleone | i have 3.3k i dont really need lol |
| 11:59.47 | Lulia | It carries over to Cata |
| 11:59.54 | Lulia | For the initial items you can get at 85 |
| 11:59.56 | Napoleone | yes but you get 76 pr cata boss |
| 12:00.09 | Napoleone | and.. you cant buy em before you are 85 anyway |
| 12:00.19 | aualin | I'd like a headstart anyway |
| 12:00.26 | Napoleone | no need |
| 12:00.26 | Lulia | It depends on how close you are to capped, I suppose. But those leggings will be replaced in under 2 levels in Cata anyways. |
| 12:00.30 | aualin | I collected 4k JP last week |
| 12:00.38 | Lulia | So it's really completely useless either way |
| 12:01.00 | Jerub | i can't do heroics yet |
| 12:01.07 | Jerub | on my shammy |
| 12:01.16 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 12:01.23 | Jerub | i've done the boots |
| 12:01.24 | Napoleone | do it if you got the mats |
| 12:01.30 | Napoleone | 2 sec |
| 12:01.50 | Napoleone | aaah i normallt get the chest as 264, craft the boots, and then jp for the rest in set |
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| 12:05.46 | Jerub | the chest is 245 |
| 12:05.53 | Jerub | it's legs and boots that are 264 |
| 12:06.04 | aualin | Yay, my frame recycling works ;) |
| 12:06.17 | Napoleone | chest are 264 also |
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| 12:06.39 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
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| 12:07.06 | zenzio | ohai |
| 12:07.39 | Napoleone | collections -> JP Wrath of lich kink, -> emb of frost -> i see hands and chest for 26 |
| 12:07.41 | Napoleone | 264 |
| 12:07.56 | zenzio | lich kink? Sounds kinky |
| 12:08.09 | Napoleone | loot kinky |
| 12:08.18 | TMc51 | is it still necrophilia if they're UNdead? |
| 12:08.26 | Napoleone | hah |
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| 12:12.35 | angayelle | i thought i could resolve the unaccuracy of combat log timestamp but using GetNetStats and the lag value, but no, it's refreshed far less often that than i'd need to |
| 12:12.53 | angayelle | how does quartz do then to show red bar ? |
| 12:14.30 | Napoleone | hmm just react to the lag amount? |
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| 12:16.38 | angayelle | nope to have an accurate timestamp to my ignite log rport |
| 12:16.56 | angayelle | i'm trying to build a model which could predict ignite munching |
| 12:17.52 | Jerub | okay, queued for first h |
| 12:18.18 | angayelle | my dps report for perfect no lag no muching ignite is good but when compared to real combat dps, it's completely off |
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| 12:19.46 | angayelle | and quartz seems to compare UNIT spellcast SENT and UNIT spellcast START, whic doesn't work in my case |
| 12:20.08 | angayelle | tho i could maybe use it after all |
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| 12:21.33 | Mirrormn | angayelle: ignite collision doesn't function in a consistent way anyway |
| 12:21.37 | Mirrormn | from what I've seen |
| 12:22.21 | angayelle | yeah, right now i'm trying to get the more precise data i can get |
| 12:22.27 | Mirrormn | I've seen collisions occur from spells within .5s of each other and I've seen spell within .1s of each other not collide (although that's much rarer) |
| 12:22.46 | Mirrormn | and I've also seen spells get completely ignored for ignite |
| 12:23.06 | Mirrormn | I eventually gave up trying to predict ignite damage |
| 12:23.21 | angayelle | and sometimes ignite bank get divided in 3 ticks, just to complexify some more |
| 12:23.38 | Mirrormn | well, that's expected behavior |
| 12:23.38 | angayelle | with no acutal reason to do so |
| 12:24.12 | Mirrormn | when an ignite combines with a previous ignite it *always* results in a 3-tick ignite |
| 12:24.13 | angayelle | when you watch it afterwards yes but in real time, you can't say if it will be 3 or 2 ticks |
| 12:24.21 | Mirrormn | yeah you can |
| 12:24.24 | Mirrormn | it's always 3 ticks |
| 12:24.35 | angayelle | if haven't noticed that, gonna check then |
| 12:24.38 | Mirrormn | unless it was the first ignite |
| 12:24.46 | Mirrormn | or it bugs out |
| 12:24.51 | Mirrormn | (which occasionally happens) |
| 12:24.57 | Mirrormn | (fucking ignite mechanics) |
| 12:25.37 | Mirrormn | I wrote a huge post on the wow mage forums about ignite collision |
| 12:25.39 | angayelle | mmmh then i could get the value of the tick then multiply by 3 and get the value of the bank this tick come from ? |
| 12:25.45 | Mirrormn | but now that I think of it, it probably got deleted |
| 12:25.46 | angayelle | care to link ? |
| 12:25.53 | Mirrormn | cause it was on the old forums |
| 12:25.54 | angayelle | aww |
| 12:26.02 | Mirrormn | but I may have a copy on my hard drive |
| 12:27.29 | angayelle | knowing the actual ignite bank allow me to know the incoming value of the next ticks, at least before any new crit occurs |
| 12:27.47 | Mirrormn | no, I can't find it :( |
| 12:27.52 | angayelle | np |
| 12:27.55 | Mirrormn | okay, so, this is how it works: |
| 12:28.09 | Mirrormn | first crit always gives you a 2 tick ignite |
| 12:28.28 | Mirrormn | it's 24% of the crit damage over 4s, so 12% per tick |
| 12:28.47 | Mirrormn | whenever an existing ignite combines with the previous ignite |
| 12:28.59 | sylvanaar | is there a mod that automatically changes the experience bar when you equip a tabbard for a certain faction |
| 12:29.00 | angayelle | 24 % ? why so |
| 12:29.09 | Mirrormn | er |
| 12:29.16 | Mirrormn | 48%, 24% per tick |
| 12:29.18 | Mirrormn | I meant |
| 12:29.34 | Mirrormn | 40% from ignite, increased by 20% by mastery |
| 12:29.37 | angayelle | should be (40%*mastery)/2 |
| 12:29.53 | Mirrormn | .4 * 1.2 = .48 |
| 12:29.59 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 12:30.02 | Mirrormn | that is correct |
| 12:30.09 | Mirrormn | anyway |
| 12:30.28 | Mirrormn | whenever a new ignite combines with the previous ignite |
| 12:30.49 | Mirrormn | it adds the amount left in the "ignite bank" to the amount from the incoming ignite |
| 12:31.04 | Mirrormn | and then that amount is done over 4-6s |
| 12:31.24 | Mirrormn | the ticks of the new ignite continue to tick at the same 2s intervals as the previous ignite |
| 12:31.52 | Mirrormn | so, say you crit for 10000, it applies a 4800 ignite over 4s |
| 12:32.05 | Mirrormn | then 2.5s later, you crit for 10000 again |
| 12:32.16 | Mirrormn | at 2s, your ignite would have ticked for 2400 |
| 12:32.31 | Mirrormn | so there is only 2400 left from that ignite |
| 12:32.42 | Mirrormn | incoming ignite is 4800 again |
| 12:32.50 | Mirrormn | so the new total damage is 7200 |
| 12:33.00 | Mirrormn | the new duration is 5.5s |
| 12:33.25 | Mirrormn | the first tick will occur 1.5s later, the exact same time the second tick of the original ignite would have occured |
| 12:33.36 | Mirrormn | each tick ticks for 2400 |
| 12:34.06 | Mirrormn | god I wish I had saved that post |
| 12:34.13 | angayelle | ok i had all this understood so far |
| 12:34.35 | Mirrormn | yeah, the problem occurs when the ignites occur too close together |
| 12:34.36 | angayelle | wasn't aware about the 3 ticks exact behavior |
| 12:35.07 | Mirrormn | it's definitely consistent if you apply ignites slowly |
| 12:35.14 | Mirrormn | i.e., you make sure they don't collide |
| 12:35.38 | Mirrormn | when they do collide, I forget the exact calculation |
| 12:36.04 | Mirrormn | but iirc you get 1.5x as much damage as you should have gotten from the first ignite |
| 12:36.10 | Mirrormn | and the second ignite is ignored |
| 12:36.33 | angayelle | with mana problems at 85, we're looking to having to use scorch before using pyro procs, it would save some mana and avoid FB-Pyro ignite muching |
| 12:36.52 | Adys | !api rename |
| 12:36.53 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'rename': os.rename, LOCALPLAYER_PET_RENAMED, PetCanBeRenamed, PET_RENAMEABLE, GetIgnoreName, RenamePetition, RenameEquipmentSet, PetRename |
| 12:37.04 | Adys | !api petrename |
| 12:37.04 | lua_bot | PetRename: Renames the currently controlled pet (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/PetRename) |
| 12:37.37 | Mirrormn | I'm really not looking forward to mana conservation at level 85 =/ |
| 12:38.35 | nudave | its really going to be that big of a problem? |
| 12:39.20 | angayelle | mana will be a problem, yes |
| 12:39.48 | Mirrormn | anyway, in addition to specific behavior and calculations for colliding Ignites, I also had information about how likely fireball is to collide with passive DoT crits given various rotations, and analysis on roughly how much dps decrease ignite collision resulted in for each of those situations |
| 12:40.18 | Mirrormn | turns out ignite collision is only like a 1-3% dps loss |
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| 12:40.32 | Mirrormn | closer to 1% for realistic circumstances |
| 12:41.16 | Mirrormn | which really makes me angrier cause it means it's not a large enough issue for it to be a priority to be fixed |
| 12:41.27 | angayelle | fireball and dots maybe but fireball and pyro is another thing |
| 12:41.34 | Mirrormn | and in the meantime, it makes it impossible for me to predict ignite damage |
| 12:41.54 | Mirrormn | yeah I also calculated the odds of pyro and fireball colliding |
| 12:42.03 | Mirrormn | if they both crit it's basically guaranteed |
| 12:42.28 | angayelle | munch ignite from a dot, i could live with it but munching a full crit from fireball leave me angry |
| 12:42.46 | Mirrormn | you might want to rethink that |
| 12:42.56 | Mirrormn | if you have a dot collide with a fireball |
| 12:43.01 | Mirrormn | and the dot comes first |
| 12:43.11 | Mirrormn | it's much worse than when a fireball collides with a pyroblast |
| 12:43.41 | Mirrormn | (on the other hand, if you have a dot collide with a fireball and the fireball comes first, you actually get more ignite damage than you should have) |
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| 12:44.43 | foxlit | "Mirrormn: which really makes me angrier cause it means it's not a large enough issue for it to be a priority to be fixed" << but they balance you around observed DPS. |
| 12:44.51 | Mirrormn | anyway, if you have 50% crit, the chances of a fireball+pyro combination having both spells crit is 25%, which causes a collide pretty much gauranteed |
| 12:44.59 | Mirrormn | foxlit: yes, exactly |
| 12:45.17 | Mirrormn | they have no priority to fix it for overall dps balance issues |
| 12:45.31 | foxlit | Because there are no overall dps balance issues, surely :) |
| 12:45.34 | Mirrormn | but it makes accurate prediction of ignite damage almost impossible |
| 12:45.40 | angayelle | i'd prefer to have predictable models for my spells, it would make my coding life easier |
| 12:45.54 | foxlit | I'd prefer having a program play the game for me. |
| 12:45.58 | foxlit | Too much to ask for? :) |
| 12:46.26 | Mirrormn | and actually, because Combsution is *so* important, and Ignite damage is such a large portion of Combustion damage, not being able to predict Ignite damage is actually really frustrating |
| 12:47.37 | Mirrormn | if combustion wasn't dependent on Ignite damage, I wouldn't really care at all about ignite collision |
| 12:48.07 | angayelle | you saw the dev talking bout ignite in best buy dev chat ? |
| 12:48.09 | Mirrormn | and, in fact, ignite collision has been occuring for a *long* time, or so I have heard |
| 12:48.24 | Mirrormn | no, angayelle |
| 12:48.26 | Mirrormn | link? |
| 12:48.28 | angayelle | From the Best Buy dev chat on 11/18/2010: |
| 12:48.28 | angayelle | Q: Right now, up to 50% of Ignite damage disappears due to the technical limitations of spells critting within certain timeframes. This has implications for Mage dps and the value of Mastery as a stat. Is overall damage being balanced to compensate and can we expect a solution in the near future? |
| 12:48.28 | angayelle | A: We're resolving that by rolling up any "lost" ignite damage into the next ignite that overwrote it. |
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| 12:49.15 | Mirrormn | ick |
| 12:49.16 | angayelle | that said it doesn't tell me if it's due to cata or not |
| 12:49.31 | angayelle | cause it's not active right now |
| 12:49.38 | Mirrormn | I can't tell if that implies a total lack of acknowledgement of the problem or not |
| 12:49.57 | Mirrormn | consider this, angayelle: |
| 12:50.03 | angayelle | the followinf discussion on EJ wasn't able to clarify that |
| 12:50.19 | Mirrormn | currently, when two ignites collide, the first once gets applied at 1.5x strength |
| 12:50.43 | Mirrormn | that behavior could theoretically be what they're referring to when they say they're compensating for lost ignite damage |
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| 12:52.06 | Mirrormn | or, it could mean that they're going to completely fix the issue *shrug* |
| 12:52.33 | Dajova | can someone help me for a sec? http://www.pastey.net/143484 <-- oUF Power function | http://www.pastey.net/143485 <-- oUF Druid Mana function |
| 12:52.34 | Mirrormn | I don't see how technical limitations can *actually* prevent them from applying all ignite damage, though |
| 12:52.53 | Dajova | i cant for the life figuring out why it displays 2 power% displays... |
| 12:52.58 | angayelle | i wish i knew cause i'm trying to get my combustion expected dps report right since a few weeks |
| 12:53.15 | Mirrormn | well |
| 12:53.33 | Mirrormn | if you ever manage to get it working |
| 12:53.38 | Mirrormn | I'd love to know |
| 12:54.17 | angayelle | actually i can get the exact value of the ignite ticks should have, just by registering events and calculating, why can't they ? |
| 12:54.38 | Mirrormn | exactly |
| 12:54.43 | msoul | does anyone knows what the item called |
| 12:54.48 | msoul | to transport to goblin |
| 12:54.54 | msoul | identity crisis |
| 12:55.01 | Mirrormn | the only reason they "can't" do it is because they want to throttle ignite aura applications |
| 12:55.02 | msoul | all I know is quest in azshara |
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| 12:55.19 | msoul | 65/100 so far but I doubt you need to do them all to get it |
| 12:55.46 | Mirrormn | so it's basically just that they're trying to cut corners with sloppy calculation |
| 12:55.55 | Dajova | no1? |
| 12:55.57 | Mirrormn | anyway, have you done any testing regarding translation of DoT damage into resulting combustion damage? |
| 12:56.15 | angayelle | throttling aura application is one thing, getting the right value and then aplying at set times aren't exclusives |
| 12:56.39 | angayelle | i've worked alot with living bomb dot |
| 12:57.09 | angayelle | so far i found that haste have nothing to do with combustion dps |
| 12:57.24 | Mirrormn | I tried for a little bit and found that combustion would do different amounts of damage from the exact same living bomb tick |
| 12:57.32 | Mirrormn | which made me disgusted so I gave up |
| 12:57.47 | Mirrormn | and then I think I played fallout3 nv |
| 12:57.52 | angayelle | combustion take the base value of LB without mastery then apply some spellpower coefficient and then reaplly mastery value |
| 12:58.19 | angayelle | so far every living bomb dot tick produced the exact same combustion damage |
| 12:58.25 | Mirrormn | hmmm |
| 12:58.31 | angayelle | maybe it got changed since you tested it |
| 12:58.42 | Mirrormn | maybe it did |
| 12:58.47 | Mirrormn | this was like right after 4.0 |
| 12:58.56 | Mirrormn | maybe a day or two |
| 12:59.03 | angayelle | i'd like to know the coefficient regarding spellpower for LB, Pyro dot and Combustion |
| 13:01.03 | angayelle | the list i got on EJ is from beta, so i'm unsure of the values |
| 13:01.11 | angayelle | and i don't have combustion on it anyway |
| 13:01.56 | angayelle | tho i dunno if combustion use spellpower at all |
| 13:02.00 | Mirrormn | ooh actually |
| 13:02.04 | Mirrormn | I found that post |
| 13:02.15 | angayelle | gief |
| 13:03.44 | Mirrormn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143486 |
| 13:03.54 | Mirrormn | I suppose I should repost it on the new forums |
| 13:04.57 | Mirrormn | looks like I remembered incorrectly - it's the second spell which decides the resulting damage when a collision occurs, not the first |
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| 13:07.16 | Mirrormn | yeah I like my final conclusion in that article: the worst thing about this whole issue is that you "feel" like the best time to use Combustion is right after a Fireball+Pyro where both spells crit |
| 13:07.35 | Mirrormn | but due to ignite collision, the effectiveness of doing that is reduced by 25% |
| 13:09.16 | angayelle | this is a realllllly very good post |
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| 13:12.30 | angayelle | until ignite is fixed (oO) i believe i'll have to go with getting ignite tick amount and from it getting the next tick value |
| 13:12.49 | angayelle | and forget alltogether any attempt to model ignite |
| 13:12.51 | Mirrormn | well the worst thing is |
| 13:13.27 | Mirrormn | I tried to make an ignite prediction script taking into account all the knowledge from that post |
| 13:13.48 | Mirrormn | a) I couldn't accurately predict exactly when a collision would occur |
| 13:13.58 | Mirrormn | so I altered the script to be "non-deterministic" |
| 13:14.27 | Mirrormn | i.e., whenever ignites occured within like .5s of each other, it would calculate both collided and non-collided damage |
| 13:14.53 | Mirrormn | and then re-calibrate based on the actual damage of the next ignite tick |
| 13:15.04 | Mirrormn | and it *still* didn't work correctly all the time |
| 13:15.20 | angayelle | but the time of theses occuring crits is skewed by lag anyway ? |
| 13:15.21 | Mirrormn | because ignite collision is really just *the most common* ignite bug |
| 13:15.37 | Mirrormn | sometimes they just get lost entirely |
| 13:15.46 | angayelle | using timestamp or GetTime() in response of event |
| 13:16.37 | Mirrormn | sometimes an ignite will calculate using an "ignite bank" value that is no longer accurate |
| 13:16.54 | Mirrormn | because an ignite tick occurs while it's calculating |
| 13:17.32 | Mirrormn | and I don't think I ever figured out exactly what behavior occurs when 3 ignites collide |
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| 13:18.19 | angayelle | i think the second would overwrite the first and the third would overwrite the second |
| 13:18.28 | angayelle | that would be logical |
| 13:18.44 | Mirrormn | I think the last of the three would be multiplied by 1.5x and the previous two would be ignored |
| 13:18.47 | angayelle | but then to prove it... |
| 13:19.10 | Mirrormn | yeah it's considerably more difficult to force a 3-way collision than a 2-way collision :P |
| 13:21.21 | Mirrormn | iirc there was one point where I was casting living bombs and then trying to time fireball and fireblast so they would both hit at the exact same time as the second LB tick |
| 13:21.42 | angayelle | gl with that ehe |
| 13:21.47 | Mirrormn | but if the first LB tick crits, or if any of the next 3 spells doesn't crit, the setup doesn't work ^_^ |
| 13:21.54 | Mirrormn | so there's like a 6% success rate |
| 13:22.09 | Mirrormn | and that's assuming you time it all right, which is very difficult |
| 13:22.19 | Mirrormn | anyway, to sum everything up here: |
| 13:22.22 | Mirrormn | Fuck Ignite. |
| 13:22.31 | foxlit | There are three caves in this game. |
| 13:22.39 | foxlit | And I still can't recall the layout of this one. |
| 13:22.42 | angayelle | screw ignite, i'll frost that's all |
| 13:22.47 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 13:23.28 | Mirrormn | unfortunately frost has its own timing problems, re: fingers of frost ^_^ |
| 13:23.34 | Mirrormn | better screw that too and go arcane |
| 13:23.42 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: fear my new paladin and his super-awesome guild! http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&cn=Taurmented |
| 13:23.52 | |Jelly| | attacks Peppy with the pillow! Why am I awake?! |
| 13:24.03 | Mirrormn | oh wow zenzio |
| 13:24.17 | Mirrormn | everything about that armory page makes me want to punch you right in the face -.- |
| 13:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | zomg, zenzio, I am ascairt! 'cause it won't load! |
| 13:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. You're awake because I'm awake. Those are the rules of friendship. |
| 13:24.35 | zenzio | bah, did they break it again? |
| 13:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, there we go. You can has tauren, how adorable! |
| 13:25.02 | angayelle | armory = don't load, always have been the way |
| 13:25.04 | zenzio | note the guild name, that's the awesomest part |
| 13:25.29 | Mirrormn | I'm physically holding my mouth shut so I can't laugh right now |
| 13:26.01 | Mirrormn | because doing so would be an affront to all humanity |
| 13:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | Taurmented. I wish I could play on your relam, to be part of your guild of veal eaters. |
| 13:29.31 | angayelle | going back home now, will keep in touch about how i go with combustion, mirrormn |
| 13:30.31 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: is it vegetarian veal? |
| 13:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | just like the kosher vegan bacan |
| 13:31.11 | Lopeppeppy | bacon. I can spell |
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| 13:43.57 | aualin | What charactes are allowed in player names? |
| 13:45.31 | dardack | all |
| 13:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly. |
| 13:45.55 | dardack | in vanilla you couldn't use special characters, but now you can. In fact in vanilla someone reported me and i had to change my name |
| 13:46.10 | dardack | now they don't care |
| 13:46.26 | |Jelly| | Should still be reportable IMO. |
| 13:46.32 | A-KO | The game has gotten too large for them to deal with it |
| 13:46.34 | |Jelly| | But the player base is too large. :| |
| 13:46.53 | dardack | quick question, is anyone having issues with dominos character specific keybindings lasting through logouts? If I uncheck character specific then keybindings stay where I want them, otherwise they get unset. |
| 13:47.00 | A-KO | I remember when you could report people for having names that were obviously from outside |
| 13:47.26 | A-KO | like, if I had "roflcopterlol" as a name--you could have reported that way back when :P |
| 13:47.28 | dardack | yea my Dk i had a special character and wanted to change my name cause people complainging, so i had everyone i met report me, a GM actually responded to one saying it's no longer not allowed, so i had to pay |
| 13:47.52 | A-KO | dardack: I see people with special chars in names all of the time, much to my dismay |
| 13:47.56 | aualin | Sigh |
| 13:48.11 | dardack | yea no doubt a-ko, there are tons now |
| 13:48.23 | Lopeppeppy | I remember being able to report for non-RP names, on RP servers, way back when! /ancient and creakity |
| 13:48.33 | dardack | can't you still Lopeppeppy |
| 13:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | ... don't make me laugh! |
| 13:49.12 | dardack | oh i thought you could |
| 13:49.36 | dardack | so I guess no one else is having character specific keybinding issues |
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| 13:51.04 | Kraps | its soooooo windy |
| 13:51.56 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/138841/new-battleground-brackets wow |
| 13:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that storm system is really blasting up the eastern coast. |
| 13:52.09 | Kraps | theres a storm? :( |
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| 13:52.34 | |Jelly| | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ lol |
| 13:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | no way. |
| 13:52.47 | Lopeppeppy | Not with all that wind!! |
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| 13:57.58 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/fuufoofighters.jpg |
| 13:58.10 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/fu4.jpg |
| 14:00.26 | bluspacecow | wtf |
| 14:00.35 | bluspacecow | how can a lock roll need on leather gear ? |
| 14:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. *sigh* |
| 14:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | I found a shield of shadow power once... |
| 14:00.57 | bluspacecow | thought that was impossible |
| 14:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes impossible crap happens. |
| 14:02.05 | dardack | ok that was wierd i had uncheck character specific in domino's but left on in blizz's keybinding menu to get my key bindings to stay, now turning back on character specific in dominos it all works. Sigh |
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| 14:07.08 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: BoE? |
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| 14:07.26 | bluspacecow | nope BoP |
| 14:10.30 | dardack | what is a bluespacecow? |
| 14:11.56 | Lopeppeppy | draeni? |
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| 14:12.36 | Thunder_Child | i think those are space goats |
| 14:14.13 | bluspacecow | not toally sure myself |
| 14:14.32 | Kraps | whats the full name of IFA? |
| 14:14.47 | Kraps | its a MUD database |
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| 14:23.43 | aualin | International Football Alliance? |
| 14:23.53 | aualin | Just a guess though, it sounds like football |
| 14:28.55 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 14:29.06 | Fisker | i reported some alliance having the horde goblin mount |
| 14:29.10 | Fisker | then i received the following response |
| 14:29.25 | Fisker | "The reason why you're seeing players with this mount is because it's already possible to get exalted by using faction tabards" |
| 14:29.37 | nudave | .... |
| 14:29.38 | Fisker | oh ok, an alliance used the goblin faction tabard to get exalted with them? |
| 14:29.38 | Fisker | sure |
| 14:29.57 | Fisker | (Also i'm already exalted on two horde characters so i probably already know that) |
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| 14:52.45 | zenzio | "Totally looks like casualcraft. it kind of takes the WORLD out of WORLD of warcraft if you can literally flight point EVERYWHERE. there SHOULD be some traveling." |
| 14:52.55 | zenzio | who among us doesn't flight point everywhere? |
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| 14:54.34 | dardack | ok so i'm gonna try to get to Icy achievemetn in ashara as ally |
| 14:54.43 | bluspacecow | nah fisker |
| 14:54.49 | bluspacecow | they faction change to horde |
| 14:54.53 | bluspacecow | grind rep for the mount |
| 14:54.56 | bluspacecow | faction change back |
| 14:54.59 | bluspacecow | its lame |
| 14:55.30 | Thunder_Child | zenzio: anyone who has a mount |
| 14:56.04 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: I'm going to assume you saw my point and just like messing with me |
| 14:56.17 | Thunder_Child | assume all you want |
| 14:59.20 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://humoncomics.com/ungodly-surprise |
| 14:59.39 | sioraiocht | mikma: lol my gay friend spent this last summer in the Faroes |
| 14:59.43 | sioraiocht | said that is basically super true |
| 14:59.44 | sioraiocht | all of it |
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| 14:59.56 | sioraiocht | lots of gay int he faroes |
| 15:00.02 | sioraiocht | but most of them move to denmark, it seems |
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| 15:01.29 | Fisker | i know bluspacecow |
| 15:01.43 | Fisker | i don't see why anyone would waste money on it though |
| 15:02.36 | Fisker | also the second reply i got was that it was a "known issue and i should check the forums at <old WoW US forum link>" |
| 15:02.53 | Fisker | which is kind of lol when 1. this is EU, and 2. why would i look at the old forums? |
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| 15:03.42 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:04.07 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 15:04.15 | Fisker | closed due to excessive snowing |
| 15:04.36 | Kalroth | snoring* |
| 15:06.03 | Fisker | snowing |
| 15:06.39 | dardack | wish i knew a mage enginneer who wanted to try to jump to the Icy achievement in Ashara from Winterspring |
| 15:07.49 | Mirrormn | << |
| 15:07.58 | Mirrormn | what is it I'm doing now? |
| 15:08.53 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://humoncomics.com/exotic-food |
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| 15:09.59 | mikma | http://humoncomics.com/mixed-feelings ah hahahaha, finland throws a molotov on sweden |
| 15:11.47 | Mirrormn | somehow, I can't see that these comics are funny, but instead of making me happy, it is making me angry |
| 15:11.54 | Mirrormn | maybe I need to go to sleep -.- |
| 15:12.00 | Mirrormn | er |
| 15:12.03 | Mirrormn | *I can see |
| 15:12.33 | Mirrormn | I have become incapable of joy |
| 15:12.50 | mikma | i can borrow my spoon to you |
| 15:13.02 | krka_ | when you say borrow, do you mean lend? |
| 15:13.45 | Mirrormn | no, I think he wants to give me his spoon as a gift, but then borrow it back |
| 15:14.13 | Mirrormn | thus giving me the satisfaction of helping a spoonless friend |
| 15:14.36 | krka_ | or he wants you to spoon with him |
| 15:15.39 | Mirrormn | that would be more like "I can burrow my spoon in you" |
| 15:15.58 | krka_ | eww |
| 15:16.48 | Lulia | Hmm, what does tContains do for tables with key values which aren't ordered numbers? |
| 15:17.10 | Mirrormn | not work |
| 15:17.30 | Mirrormn | why would you ever even consider putting those two things together? |
| 15:17.53 | Lulia | Trying to see whether or not I need to make my own member search function |
| 15:18.11 | Mirrormn | for the values of your table? |
| 15:18.29 | Mirrormn | you could keep a reverse table for lookups |
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| 15:18.43 | Lulia | A reverse table? |
| 15:19.11 | Mirrormn | a second table which contains the same data as the first except the keys are the values and vice-versa |
| 15:19.15 | Lulia | I'm looking at the pairs function and considering just making a function which uses it to use an interator to pass through a table and do the comparisons |
| 15:20.04 | mikma | am i onlyone that doesn't have a working map in wow atm? |
| 15:20.07 | Mirrormn | obviously it's a strategy that works best when your values are always unique |
| 15:20.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-sweetie. |
| 15:20.26 | Lulia | Yeah, that might not always be the case. Of course, it's a situation I may not need to worry over. |
| 15:20.33 | Lulia | But it's interesting to think about since it popped up |
| 15:20.37 | Lulia | Peppy! |
| 15:20.45 | Lulia | How's that Gnome Priest coming? |
| 15:21.04 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: were you the one who suggested Naomi Novik to me? |
| 15:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | I sacked out soooo hard with my allergy tests yesterdy, you cannot believe! |
| 15:21.08 | Mirrormn | in order to solve that problem, you can make your reverse table hold tables of possible keys instead of just a single key per value |
| 15:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, I did not do such a thing. I don't know any Naomi-critters. |
| 15:21.26 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: or just never get into this situation since its a terrible thing. |
| 15:21.28 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: was that you? |
| 15:21.36 | jnwhiteh | I think it was someone who begins with an 'L' :p |
| 15:21.45 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Yes, it was me |
| 15:21.48 | jnwhiteh | and you're my bestest L friends |
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| 15:21.53 | mikma | jnwhiteh: fix my map for me |
| 15:21.55 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, my blushes! |
| 15:22.01 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I enjoyed the first book, have the last few queued up for this holiday. |
| 15:22.07 | Mirrormn | jnwhiteh: what's terrible about trying to exploit Lua's main storage mechanism to attain algorithmic efficiency? |
| 15:22.09 | jnwhiteh | such a fun concept! |
| 15:22.18 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: nothing.. i'm not referring to your 'solution |
| 15:22.22 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I've read the first 4. I really enjoyed them. |
| 15:22.28 | jnwhiteh | I'm referring to the fact that the problem exists int he first place ,it shoudln't :P |
| 15:22.54 | Mirrormn | just never have a case where you need to cross-reference your keys and values? |
| 15:23.01 | Mirrormn | if only all problems were that simple -.- |
| 15:23.09 | jnwhiteh | Sure, you sometimes need to reverse |
| 15:23.15 | jnwhiteh | but the problem statement as I understood made no sense |
| 15:23.25 | jnwhiteh | first off, what is tContains.. and why would you want to use it on a dictionary? |
| 15:23.28 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't make any sense :P |
| 15:23.34 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Also, check out Glenn Cook Black Company novels. They're grittier/harder, but I think you might like them too. |
| 15:23.40 | Mirrormn | here's an example |
| 15:23.46 | jnwhiteh | if you want to see 'does any key in my table have the following value' then that's a completely different problem |
| 15:24.06 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: That was the problem that started the discussion. |
| 15:24.09 | Mirrormn | that's the same problem |
| 15:24.25 | jnwhiteh | well its not a clearly defined problem, which is what you were trying to get at |
| 15:24.40 | Mirrormn | tcontains is 'does any key in my table have the following value' when your keys are in a certain predefined format |
| 15:24.46 | jnwhiteh | what happens if two keys have the same values? |
| 15:25.06 | Lulia | You make a function to count instead of see if it exists. |
| 15:25.09 | jnwhiteh | are we doing a reference comparison or are we interested in just content? |
| 15:25.17 | Mirrormn | same thing as would happen if the keys were contiguous integers and you used tcontains :P |
| 15:25.22 | jnwhiteh | imo, the best way to solve this problem is using metatables and memoization |
| 15:25.24 | Lulia | If all you care about is it existing then it doesn't matter if there's more than one since at least one would match. |
| 15:25.57 | Lulia | I still need to read up on metatables >.> |
| 15:26.02 | Lulia | What is memoization? |
| 15:26.09 | jnwhiteh | ask google! |
| 15:26.34 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: thanks, added to goodreads :P |
| 15:26.50 | Lulia | twiddles and reads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization |
| 15:26.51 | Mirrormn | oh anyway, my example |
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| 15:27.36 | Mirrormn | say you're tracking GUIDs as they correspond to UIDs |
| 15:27.50 | Mirrormn | so you store them as a table where the UIDs are keys and GUIDs are values |
| 15:27.58 | Adys | mikma: http://humoncomics.com/babysitter |
| 15:28.18 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: I'm quite familiar with the problem, actually. |
| 15:28.24 | Mirrormn | then say you get a GUID from a combat message and you want to find a corresponding UID so you can use some API function |
| 15:28.28 | Mirrormn | I thought you probably would be |
| 15:28.38 | mikma | also, it was my pirated copy of Zygor that tainted the map :D |
| 15:28.38 | jnwhiteh | and I suggested what I believe to be the best solution =) |
| 15:29.12 | Mirrormn | well, I am familiar with both the concepts of metatables and memoization but I don't see how they combine into a solution |
| 15:29.38 | jnwhiteh | Your lookup table uses the __index metamethod and memoizes results, and the memoization cache is cleared when the original table being tracked changes |
| 15:29.52 | jnwhiteh | its lazy, correct, and has fast lookups with a small memory cost |
| 15:30.27 | Lulia | Grasp what memoization is now, I guess I'll get to reading about metatables too, since I've been meaning to. |
| 15:32.22 | Lulia | Wow, the introduction leaves me with a lot of questions, hmm |
| 15:32.28 | Lulia | Hopefully they'll be answered later on. |
| 15:32.36 | jnwhiteh | I happen to like my chapter on metatables |
| 15:32.38 | jnwhiteh | shows some neat things |
| 15:32.41 | jnwhiteh | ah well, I'm off for coffee. |
| 15:33.16 | A-KO | I love crappy applications |
| 15:33.48 | Mirrormn | metatables are good fun |
| 15:34.27 | Mirrormn | their implementation is slightly unintuitive, though |
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| 15:36.32 | Mirrormn | most importantly, "metatables" are not really a separate type of object, they are more a classification for tables used in a particular way |
| 15:36.52 | Mirrormn | (with the setmetatable function) |
| 15:39.12 | Mirrormn | mm bedtime at 10:30am |
| 15:39.20 | Mirrormn | that's living the dream! |
| 15:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | I was in bed at 7pm last night... |
| 15:40.08 | Mirrormn | I woke up at 7pm last night |
| 15:42.28 | Mirrormn | I was on this sleep schedule for the past couple months, decided it wasn't healthy, moved to a "normal" sleep schedule, but now I'm back to the 12-hour shift in preparation for cataclysm |
| 15:42.29 | Mirrormn | wheee |
| 15:42.53 | Lulia | So, basically, you use metatables to set metamethods to your tables? |
| 15:42.58 | zenzelezz | "But how do you delete bytes from the beginning of a file? You can't, but you sort of can, even though you can't." |
| 15:42.58 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 15:43.15 | Lulia | What, Zen? |
| 15:44.03 | zenzelezz | Lulia: another of Raymond Chen's awesome sentences |
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| 15:46.05 | Mirrormn | what gets me is that in practice, setmetatable is basically always used with an empty anonymous table as the first argument and an anonymous table containing metamethod definitions as the second |
| 15:46.26 | Mirrormn | so it's basically just a "createTableWithCustomBehavior" function, essentially |
| 15:46.48 | Lulia | metamethods are all set? Or can you create your own? |
| 15:46.51 | Mirrormn | and the concept of a table being a "metatable" never really comes into play |
| 15:46.52 | dardack | FML i made it but aimed like 25 yards off |
| 15:47.17 | Mirrormn | Lulia: what exactly would creating your own metamethod entail? |
| 15:47.28 | Lulia | I wouldn't know, I'm just curious. |
| 15:47.35 | Mirrormn | it's not really a meaningful concept |
| 15:48.19 | Mirrormn | metamethods redefine the behavior of basic lua operations on tables, so creating your "own" metamethod would connotate creating your own basic lua operation |
| 15:48.35 | Lulia | Right |
| 15:48.39 | Lulia | That makes sense |
| 15:48.56 | Mirrormn | and no you can't create your own basic operations in lua |
| 15:48.59 | Mirrormn | as far as I know |
| 15:49.05 | Lulia | So metables are just basically a way to do shorthand |
| 15:49.14 | Mirrormn | well |
| 15:49.18 | Adys | Kalroth: for you: http://humoncomics.com/geography-joke |
| 15:49.19 | Mirrormn | they're a little more powerful than that |
| 15:49.44 | Lulia | I dont see how they add functionality that you wouldn't be able to do without them. |
| 15:49.51 | Lulia | Maybe I'm understanding it incorrectly? |
| 15:50.13 | Kalroth | Adys :(( |
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| 15:50.41 | alestane | They're part of the basic programming paradigm of Lua for making frequent operations simpler and more logical, the way classes are in C++. |
| 15:50.59 | Mirrormn | well I don't really use metatables |
| 15:51.00 | Adys | Kalroth: it took me a good 20 seconds to see it |
| 15:51.03 | Adys | but "holy crap" |
| 15:51.15 | Mirrormn | but as far as I understand it, there's nothing that *couldn't* be done without metatables |
| 15:51.30 | Mirrormn | but metatables are often a more logical and efficient way to accomplish something |
| 15:51.39 | Lulia | Which makes them shorthand for repeatable methods :P |
| 15:51.47 | Lulia | Not saying it doesn't make them useful :P |
| 15:51.57 | Lulia | Just trying to generalize my understanding for their use. |
| 15:52.01 | Mirrormn | more efficient = not just shorthand |
| 15:52.12 | Lulia | Why more efficient? |
| 15:52.47 | Mirrormn | because you circumvent whatever operation at the most basic level instead of letting the default behavior occur and then overriding it afterwards |
| 15:53.15 | Lulia | Oh, that's not what I meant. Let me explain. |
| 15:53.53 | Lulia | What's more efficient between a function which, say, compares the values of two tables than using a metatable on both tables and defining the "equal" operator to reflect a function which compares the values of two tables. |
| 15:54.39 | Mirrormn | in that particular case there's probably no increase in efficiency |
| 15:55.53 | Lulia | But, in the long run, defining such as a metatable means cleaner code and less typing to do repeated comparisons throughout a script as opposed to function calls. |
| 15:56.01 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 15:59.16 | TC-Work | Kraps: is it just me or are we missing a wed deal? |
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| 16:03.41 | Adys | Kalroth: http://humoncomics.com/nothing-is-perfect |
| 16:03.46 | Adys | oh god im in tears |
| 16:04.57 | zenzelezz | so what's with the J and U? |
| 16:05.14 | TC-Work | and W |
| 16:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | and the wubble-wu |
| 16:05.25 | Adys | late additions to the latin alphabet obviously |
| 16:06.03 | zenzelezz | well excuse me for missing the latin lessons 800 years ago |
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| 16:06.07 | Kalroth | Archaic Latin alphabet A B C D E F Z H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X |
| 16:06.08 | Kalroth | see |
| 16:06.24 | Mirrormn | j and w were not features of original latin |
| 16:06.26 | Adys | zenzelezz, it's common knowledge :P |
| 16:06.32 | Mirrormn | but u was... |
| 16:06.41 | Kalroth | no |
| 16:06.44 | Mirrormn | (although it was generally written as v, I guess) |
| 16:06.46 | zenzelezz | Adys: not up here, latin is never a subject unless you choose to study it |
| 16:06.50 | Mirrormn | so maybe that counts |
| 16:06.57 | Adys | neither is it here |
| 16:06.57 | Lopeppeppy | This is such... wrongness... http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=22185&cmpid=01csepg&ref=3475&subref=AA</font |
| 16:07.04 | Adys | its still common knowledge.. |
| 16:07.10 | zenzelezz | Adys: down there perhaps |
| 16:07.25 | Adys | Kalroth: help me out here, zenzelezz is perhapsing my "down there" |
| 16:07.54 | Mirrormn | I was under the impression from my latin classes that u was considered a different letter than v but hell I'm not expert |
| 16:07.55 | Kalroth | your peepee?! |
| 16:08.16 | Adys | Mirrormn, grey area really, but "yes" |
| 16:08.19 | Lulia | It's interesting, because English has it as double-ewe, but french has it as double-vee |
| 16:08.33 | Adys | they were both written the same though |
| 16:09.20 | Mirrormn | yeah well they were often written without vowels at all |
| 16:09.23 | Mirrormn | or spaces |
| 16:09.28 | Adys | Lulia: because it originated from mainland europe :P |
| 16:09.29 | Mirrormn | fucking latin man |
| 16:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Are you advertising yourself for a dating site, Mirrormn? |
| 16:10.02 | Mirrormn | if I was already fucking a latin man I would not need a dating site |
| 16:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | You could BE the latin man in question, offering the activity |
| 16:10.41 | Lulia | O.o |
| 16:10.58 | Mirrormn | oh the vicissitudes of language |
| 16:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 16:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | verb, noun, adjective, adverb, all rolled into one. |
| 16:11.23 | Lulia | That provided some great entertainment. |
| 16:11.34 | Lulia | Peppy, I think you ignored my question earlier :( |
| 16:11.57 | Lopeppeppy | When I told you that I'd been stoned out from my allergy tests and wasn't omg level racing yet? |
| 16:12.04 | Lulia | Oh |
| 16:12.14 | Lopeppeppy | Right. *wink* |
| 16:12.14 | Lulia | whistles innocently. |
| 16:12.16 | Mirrormn | reminds me of http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fisher_Price:_A_Retrospective |
| 16:13.01 | Adys | http://humoncomics.com/suggestive-talk |
| 16:13.01 | Mirrormn | one of my favorite pages on the internet |
| 16:13.10 | Adys | Lopeppeppy, Mirrormn, link related :P |
| 16:14.06 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 16:14.11 | Mirrormn | how is that related to anything? |
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| 16:15.47 | aualin | Wowpedia or Wowwiki for API reference? |
| 16:15.49 | Lulia | Why is America a woman? |
| 16:15.54 | Adys | aualin: wowprogramming |
| 16:16.01 | aualin | Oh |
| 16:16.07 | Mirrormn | wowpedia |
| 16:16.17 | Adys | Lulia: they're all women except germany in this comic |
| 16:16.30 | Lulia | I thought Denmark was a gay guy |
| 16:16.43 | Adys | Lulia: that's sister denmark, sister japan and sister america :P |
| 16:16.46 | Mirrormn | I'm fairly certain denmark is a guy |
| 16:16.59 | Adys | they all have sisters. |
| 16:17.16 | Adys | actually it's Lady America not Sister America |
| 16:17.18 | Adys | but whatever |
| 16:19.03 | Adys | http://humoncomics.com/unfair-advantage |
| 16:19.04 | Adys | ahaha |
| 16:20.20 | cog|work | morning |
| 16:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, cog-a-thingie! |
| 16:20.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah in the suggestive-talk one that denmark is a guy, hes doing that because sister japan is into yaoi |
| 16:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | I was talking about gnomish tanks the other night. :) |
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| 16:20.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: denmark-guy has a beard |
| 16:20.54 | Mirrormn | I don't even get that one Adys |
| 16:21.08 | Mirrormn | how could a guy in a wheelchair even play musical chairs? |
| 16:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | Unfair advantage... he comes with his own chair... so he always wins... |
| 16:21.21 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats how you recognize them.. although come to think of it i don't see it really |
| 16:21.23 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 16:21.26 | Mirrormn | -.- |
| 16:21.38 | Mirrormn | is incapable of joy |
| 16:21.41 | Mirrormn | good night |
| 16:22.12 | Lulia | No sleep! |
| 16:22.19 | Mirrormn | yeah definitely sleep |
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| 16:22.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://humoncomics.com/confusion |
| 16:24.07 | Lulia | Adys: lol |
| 16:24.09 | Adys | besides afaik denmark is into norway, not german. |
| 16:24.14 | Adys | +y |
| 16:24.32 | Mirrormn | huh |
| 16:24.43 | Adys | to think that a few months from now someone's going to read this log out of context :( |
| 16:24.55 | Mirrormn | Adys, I had actually seen that particular comic before, but was remembering it excelty opposite of what it was ^_^ |
| 16:25.03 | Mirrormn | *exactly |
| 16:25.24 | zenzelezz | Adys: what are you talking about, we're always reading out-of-context in here |
| 16:25.31 | Fisker | wtfail |
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| 16:25.49 | Lulia | "To get this point across better I will from now on draw her without eyelashes and breasts." |
| 16:25.53 | Fisker | someone fucked up their DNS |
| 16:26.07 | Fisker | google's danish domain pointed to some danish hosting site :O |
| 16:28.03 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 16:28.05 | Fisker | you there? |
| 16:28.07 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 16:28.54 | dardack | sigh aimed right twice and both time noggerfogger didn't proc when i needed it to one time, fml |
| 16:29.23 | Fisker | seems like my nexus one have a habbit of discharging a battery fully overnight jnwhiteh |
| 16:29.32 | Fisker | shitty rom or shitty weather? |
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| 16:30.33 | jnwhiteh | both? |
| 16:30.34 | jnwhiteh | no idea! |
| 16:30.37 | jnwhiteh | use PowerTutor |
| 16:30.44 | jnwhiteh | what does battery use say is draining? |
| 16:33.18 | Lulia | Hmm, lua.org/pil doesn't have an explanation for the "in" keyword in its index. What does "in" do exactly? They used it a lot in their metatable examples and I've seen it elsewhere most often with for i in pairs(b) do. Is it a comparison of the values returned from the function i? |
| 16:33.44 | cog|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.5.html |
| 16:34.23 | Lulia | ah, thanks |
| 16:34.25 | cog|work | (follow the link to chapter 7 for more depth) |
| 16:35.18 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 16:35.18 | cog|work | yeah, basically in is just there to signify that it's a generic for |
| 16:35.42 | cog|work | Fisker |
| 16:35.51 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 16:35.59 | Fisker | gms are dumb hurr durr |
| 16:36.11 | foxlit | I wonder if there's an airplay/airtunes server somewhere. |
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| 16:36.26 | cog|work | hai Sixen |
| 16:36.38 | Sixen | hai2u |
| 16:37.18 | Fisker | anyway cog|work |
| 16:37.20 | Fisker | it was lulz |
| 16:37.37 | Fisker | i reported an alliance exploiting faction change to get a goblin mount |
| 16:38.01 | Fisker | their reply was "The reason why there are players with goblin mounts is because you can buy a tabard to get to exalted with them" |
| 16:39.07 | foxlit | boring fisker. |
| 16:39.17 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 16:39.20 | Fisker | i googled your mom |
| 16:39.58 | Lopeppeppy | bless you. |
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| 16:45.07 | Fisker | why would i need your blessing to google foxlit's mom? |
| 16:46.34 | sylvanaar_work | is there a wow addon hashtag on twitter? |
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| 16:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Why would you google foxlit's mom? |
| 16:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | Why not just oogle her, fewer letters. |
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| 16:48.24 | xqo | hey, how do i check whether or not "Show quest objectives" is toggled on the worldmap? |
| 16:49.08 | Dezzimal | what did gearscore 3.0.09b do that got it banned? |
| 16:49.11 | Lulia | Peppy, you're pretty amazing :P |
| 16:49.20 | sylvanaar_work | we have AIL now |
| 16:49.24 | Fisker | it was a jerk Dezzimal |
| 16:49.24 | Lulia | Gearscore got banned? |
| 16:49.32 | sylvanaar_work | we dont need not stinking gearscore |
| 16:49.34 | Dezzimal | one version of it did |
| 16:49.35 | Fisker | more than once Lulia |
| 16:49.40 | Lulia | Awesome :D |
| 16:49.44 | sylvanaar_work | s/not/no/ |
| 16:49.55 | Fisker | unless 3.0.09b is that old version that got banned too |
| 16:50.03 | Lulia | In any case, Dezz, it was probably related to its comments about the astral horse mount |
| 16:50.21 | Dezzimal | yeah it was the old version that got banned |
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| 16:50.28 | Arrowmaster | Dezzimal: it overloaded the blizz servers with retarded amounts of comm traffic |
| 16:50.34 | Lulia | Or that! |
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| 16:50.39 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks Lulia. |
| 16:51.09 | Dezzimal | moreso than previous versions? |
| 16:51.11 | Fisker | Blizzard should design better comm then Arrowmaster |
| 16:51.32 | Fisker | besides it's not nearly as big a problem now as it was back in the days |
| 16:51.58 | Adys | Oh god, he's drowning in a snowflake! |
| 16:52.18 | Dezzimal | and is anyone aware of any other addons that got the same treatment i.e. added to baddons.wcf? |
| 16:52.47 | Fisker | not yet |
| 16:54.03 | xqo | is there somewhere i can read the worldmap xml? |
| 16:54.13 | Fisker | notepad |
| 16:54.20 | xqo | ye but where is the file.. :p |
| 16:54.37 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 16:54.38 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 16:54.53 | Arrowmaster | ~framexml |
| 16:54.53 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 16:55.41 | xqo | oh, thanks |
| 17:09.10 | xqo | how do you set <offset><absdimension> with lua? |
| 17:09.22 | alestane | For an anchor? |
| 17:09.25 | xqo | yes |
| 17:09.36 | alestane | !api SetPoint |
| 17:09.37 | lua_bot | Region:SetPoint: Sets an anchor point for the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint) |
| 17:09.38 | Napoleone | isnt that with SetPoint() |
| 17:09.49 | xqo | thanks! |
| 17:10.03 | alestane | SetPoint is your go-to function for pretty much EVERYTHING anchor-related. |
| 17:10.06 | Napoleone | isnt that with SetPoint("REGION", parent, "PARENT REGION", x,y) |
| 17:10.50 | alestane | frame:SetPoint("POINT", parent, "REFERENCEPOINT", x, y). |
| 17:11.16 | xqo | <Scripts><onUpdate> or <OnEvent> is the same as Frame:RegisterEvent()? |
| 17:11.26 | xqo | just OnEvent, sorry |
| 17:11.27 | xqo | but ye? |
| 17:11.44 | alestane | :SetScript. |
| 17:12.26 | alestane | RegisterEvent only dictates what events will be sent to the frame's OnEvent script (set with SetScript). |
| 17:14.28 | xqo | is there no event for opening the worldmap? :\ |
| 17:15.33 | alestane | Well, there is http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 17:15.56 | alestane | But I think you want to hook the map frame's OnShow script if you want to know when someone opens it. |
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| 17:17.14 | alestane | Or hook the function ToggleFrame and compare the argument to WorldMapFrame. |
| 17:19.30 | alestane | But no, there isn't really. OPening the world map is a purely UI action and doesn't change the game's internal state. |
| 17:19.55 | Lulia | Man, Hooks are so powerful when you think about it. I'm really intrigued by their usage. |
| 17:20.15 | durcyn | just try catching a fish without one. |
| 17:20.28 | Lulia | I use a spear for fishing! |
| 17:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | I use gill nets. |
| 17:21.41 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 17:21.52 | Lulia | hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:23.55 | Fisker | destroys Lopeppeppy |
| 17:23.57 | xqo | can i just check whether or not the worldmapframe is hidden? |
| 17:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Fisker, you almost made me tingle there. |
| 17:24.48 | Lulia | Tingle? |
| 17:25.03 | Lulia | xqo it's probably better to hook the OnShow event |
| 17:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | He destroyed me! |
| 17:25.21 | Lulia | As that's the closest you're going to get to an "event" for it opening. |
| 17:25.54 | Lulia | But I don't get how that almost makes you tingle, I'm confused! |
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| 17:26.59 | Lunessa | Action at a Distance. It's all the rage. |
| 17:27.42 | xqo | im not sure i get it.. i found the WorldMapFrame_OnShow-function, but i dont know what to do with it |
| 17:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | Lulia, learn to sarcastically flirt! |
| 17:28.14 | Lulia | xqo: http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_HookScript |
| 17:28.21 | alestane | What do you want to do that depends on knowing when the map is opened? |
| 17:28.42 | durcyn | the only thing fisker's ever destroyed is a fleshlight, if we're honest |
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| 17:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | Now now, I think the fleshlights are more durable than that. |
| 17:29.27 | xqo | so.. worldmapframe:HookScript("OnShow", and here i run my own function())? |
| 17:29.37 | alestane | You refer to your own function. |
| 17:29.42 | xqo | right, thanks! |
| 17:29.53 | Lulia | Yes, xqo, more-or-less, but, like alestane, I'm curious as to what you want to do. |
| 17:30.00 | Lulia | Just to make sure we're recommending the best method. |
| 17:30.36 | alestane | For instance, WorldMapFrame:HookScript('OnShow', YourAddOnName_DisplayMapOverlay) or something similar. |
| 17:31.07 | Lulia | Yeah, you'll likely want to define the function elsewhere and simply reference it in the HookScript call |
| 17:31.09 | xqo | whenever the worldmap opens i want to check whether or not questtracking is enabled or not, so i can set the position of my text to the right place regardless of whether or not the worldmap is tracking or not |
| 17:31.48 | dardack | `woot got fiery/icy done |
| 17:31.48 | Lulia | Your text? |
| 17:31.59 | jnwhiteh | so I have a git repo, and when I fetch, I'm not seeing the v40000-1.3.1 tag anywhere. When I re-clone the repo, I see it.. what the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 17:32.04 | xqo | coordinates |
| 17:32.13 | Lulia | nods at xqo. |
| 17:32.15 | Lulia | Neat. |
| 17:32.33 | dardack | taking forever to jump from winterspring into ashara |
| 17:32.39 | durcyn | define 'fetch' in context, jnwhiteh |
| 17:32.44 | durcyn | pull --all ? |
| 17:32.44 | Lulia | So your addon displays the coordinates for all of the tracked quests or just the current tracked quest or? |
| 17:32.48 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: using git fetch |
| 17:32.49 | jnwhiteh | this isn't a push |
| 17:32.50 | jnwhiteh | this is a pull |
| 17:32.57 | jnwhiteh | err, yeah |
| 17:33.00 | jnwhiteh | I've done pull --all |
| 17:33.03 | jnwhiteh | fetch --all |
| 17:33.14 | xqo | its just player-coordinates, Lulia |
| 17:33.20 | xqo | and cursor |
| 17:33.20 | jnwhiteh | and I'm behind by a commit |
| 17:33.32 | Lulia | Ah |
| 17:33.32 | jnwhiteh | well, that's not strictly true |
| 17:33.44 | durcyn | does git pull <remote> tags work? |
| 17:33.52 | durcyn | er nm, that's not a valid ref |
| 17:34.16 | jnwhiteh | the issue is I pushed the tag, but not the master branch |
| 17:34.22 | xqo | how do you fire off the OnShow hooking? if i added the hook to the top of my .lua would it forever be listening for OnShow? |
| 17:34.30 | jnwhiteh | but I can't even see/get the tag from the non-newly cloned repo |
| 17:34.41 | nevcairiel | thats why then, it only downloads tags that are associated to refs that you pull |
| 17:34.47 | jnwhiteh | on the newly cloned one, I can cherry-pick |
| 17:36.09 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I took the cloned repo, cherry-picked the commit and pushed it.. and when I pull on the 'broken' copy then the master branch is correct, but the tag is still missing |
| 17:36.11 | jnwhiteh | bizarre |
| 17:36.35 | pantsninja | FYI, There's a $35 Razer gaming headset on http://sellout.woot.com/ today. |
| 17:36.47 | nevcairiel | doesnt cherry picking assign a new hash |
| 17:36.51 | nevcairiel | the tag wouldnt fit it |
| 17:36.57 | nevcairiel | you probably need to reassign it =) |
| 17:37.08 | jnwhiteh | ah I don't have that machine today |
| 17:37.16 | jnwhiteh | so I'll have to clean this up tomorrow |
| 17:37.17 | jnwhiteh | blarg |
| 17:37.29 | nevcairiel | you can just delete the tag on the remote |
| 17:37.40 | jnwhiteh | but I need the refs from it |
| 17:37.46 | jnwhiteh | so I have to sort that out first |
| 17:37.47 | nevcairiel | git push <remote> :v40000-1.3.1 should still work |
| 17:37.48 | jnwhiteh | but yeah, I may just do that |
| 17:37.51 | Lunessa | ninja of the pants strikes a deal! |
| 17:38.53 | Fisker | i ninja'd your pants Lunessa |
| 17:39.15 | Lunessa | Fisker: grow the right plumbing and we'll talk. |
| 17:39.44 | jnwhiteh | alright, got my local branch sorted, finally :P |
| 17:39.49 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 17:40.01 | xqo | can i hook buttons? |
| 17:40.18 | xqo | like Button:HookScript("OnClick",myFunc()) |
| 17:40.18 | xqo | ? |
| 17:40.27 | jnwhiteh | !api HookScript |
| 17:40.27 | lua_bot | ScriptObject:HookScript: Securely hooks a script handler (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/HookScript) |
| 17:40.38 | jnwhiteh | but its not myfunc() |
| 17:40.39 | jnwhiteh | its myfunc |
| 17:40.53 | xqo | ok |
| 17:41.14 | xqo | it says ScriptObject:HookScript |
| 17:41.20 | xqo | ScriptObjects can be buttons? |
| 17:41.35 | Lulia | It's just a naming convention for the object |
| 17:41.42 | Lulia | A button is an object |
| 17:46.28 | jnwhiteh | xqo: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 17:46.49 | jnwhiteh | Animations, AnimationGroups and Frames are all 'ScriptObjects' |
| 17:46.58 | xqo | thanks |
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| 17:47.13 | xqo | i tihnk the only thing im doing wrong now is SetPoint |
| 17:47.26 | Lulia | How are you using it? |
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| 17:48.02 | xqo | xml sets absdimension x=0 and y=10 |
| 17:48.11 | jnwhiteh | relative to what? |
| 17:48.13 | jnwhiteh | and with what points? |
| 17:48.18 | jnwhiteh | you can't just look at the offset |
| 17:48.21 | jnwhiteh | give us the whole <Point> |
| 17:48.26 | jnwhiteh | only, on a pastey :P |
| 17:48.36 | Lulia | ^ |
| 17:48.48 | Lulia | And jnwhiteh knows way more than I do, so I'll leave it to him :P |
| 17:49.19 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh freaking wrote the book that I love ;P |
| 17:49.28 | xqo | http://xqo.pastebin.com/UacSv5yJ |
| 17:49.49 | Lulia | If I had money I'm sure I could love it too, Napoleone :P |
| 17:49.50 | xqo | oh wait should i set XqoFrameText and not XqoFrame? |
| 17:50.06 | jnwhiteh | so that's SetPoint("BOTTOM", WorldMapFrame, "BOTTOM", 0, 10) |
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| 17:50.40 | xqo | should i do XqoFrameText:SetPoint, or XqoFrameTe:SetPoint, |
| 17:50.45 | xqo | should i do XqoFrameText:SetPoint, or XqoFrame:SetPoint? |
| 17:50.52 | jnwhiteh | XqoFrameText |
| 17:50.54 | jnwhiteh | if that's what you're anchoring |
| 17:50.58 | jnwhiteh | which is what's happening in that MXL |
| 17:51.00 | jnwhiteh | XML |
| 17:51.20 | xqo | Awesome, it works! |
| 17:51.23 | xqo | thanks alot guys! |
| 17:51.34 | Lulia | Always happy when stuff works |
| 17:52.20 | Lulia | Hmm, I just found an interesting quirk in how some of my loops run which may account for some internal bugs I couldn't track. |
| 17:53.19 | Lulia | I would run a loop similar to: for i=1,#Table do if Table[i].Val = SomeVal then FunctionToDeleteTableEntries() end end |
| 17:53.49 | Lulia | Which, now that I think about it, would mean that i is skipping values, since the function to delete entries does so by collapsing the table. |
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| 17:54.06 | Lulia | i.e. copy all of the next values onto the current one then deleting the last value in the table. |
| 17:54.19 | Lulia | Or well, copy the next, and then the next of the next over the next. |
| 17:54.52 | Lulia | So every time I delete an entry I need to subtract i by 1 |
| 17:55.01 | jnwhiteh | i.e. you need to do it in a while, not a for |
| 17:55.17 | Lulia | Hmm, that would probably work better too :P |
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| 17:56.02 | Lulia | while i<#Table do if Table.val = SomeVal then stuff else i = i +1 end end |
| 17:56.17 | Lulia | I should try this thinking thing more often, hmm |
| 18:04.36 | xqo | my addon is tagged as Popular! :D |
| 18:05.45 | Lulia | :) |
| 18:05.50 | Lulia | What's the name? |
| 18:06.11 | xqo | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12328-Xqords.html |
| 18:06.40 | Lulia | neat :) |
| 18:06.55 | Lulia | Sadly mine isn't popular yet ;) |
| 18:09.41 | xqo | whats yours? |
| 18:10.52 | Lulia | Power Bars |
| 18:11.06 | Lulia | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=18564 |
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| 18:12.41 | Dajova | mine isnt popular yet :/ |
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| 18:13.24 | Dajova | it's getting there tho :D http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17599.html |
| 18:14.18 | xqo | hey thats kind of nice.. |
| 18:14.44 | Dajova | :) |
| 18:15.35 | xqo | do you guys use curse? |
| 18:15.39 | Lulia | People have been asking me to add combo points to my addon :-/ |
| 18:15.49 | Dajova | hehe |
| 18:15.51 | Lulia | I upload to both sites, but I prefer WoWI |
| 18:15.52 | xqo | i tried uploading there once, but i hated using it and raged |
| 18:16.07 | Dajova | yeah, mine's on curse as well, but i redirect them to wowi |
| 18:16.18 | Dajova | cause im hardly on curse |
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| 18:25.34 | aX0rZ | Any way I can call a blizzard function("SecureAuraHeader_Update") in a restricted environment on some event? |
| 18:27.33 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Torhal: or anyone: Who has a function to save/load a frame's position? The praid code I wrote a long time ago doesn't quite work |
| 18:27.34 | jnwhiteh | aX0rZ: nope. |
| 18:27.37 | jnwhiteh | and you shouldn't need to |
| 18:28.33 | nevcairiel | LibWindow-1.1 is what i use, it deals with the scaling things and all |
| 18:28.41 | jnwhiteh | gah, fucking libraries. |
| 18:28.43 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: gimme a sec, I have some |
| 18:28.52 | nevcairiel | Just copy the function out if it for all i care |
| 18:29.10 | jnwhiteh | i blame mikk |
| 18:34.19 | Jamash | okay I don't have any scaling compensation, but I have "MySavedVariable.x = frame:GetLeft(); MySavedVariable.y = frame:GetTop()" in my OnDragStop handler, and then on VARIABLES_LOADED I call "frame:ClearAllPoints(); frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT", MySavedVariable.x, MySavedVariable.y)" |
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| 18:35.04 | olafski | jnwhiteh: fixed a bug that caused some bindings to fail <-- would you mind giving a little more detail as to what that was? :) |
| 18:35.09 | jnwhiteh | I may end up using the lib anyway |
| 18:35.14 | Lulia | So I have an interesting error popping up. I define the following function in a file named PBfunc.lua: http://www.pastey.net/143497 . PBfunc.lua is second on the list in the .toc file for loading, and thus before any file where I might need to use its functions. In the file where I first wanted to use it I referenced it as follows: local CollapseTable = PowerBars.CollapseTable; at the beginning of the file and then a call later: |
| 18:35.19 | jnwhiteh | olafski: what would you like me to say? =) |
| 18:35.30 | nevcairiel | thats exactly why Mikk wrote that lib. So people actually bother to do it properly. You can copy the code, or use the lib, but at least you get proper positioning code |
| 18:35.31 | olafski | jnwhiteh: well, was it the thing I asked you about a week ago? ;) |
| 18:35.49 | Lulia | Now the error that pops up happens when the code runs into the line that calls CollapseTable, specifically it says that it's.... wait one sec, I'll get the exact words |
| 18:35.54 | Jamash | as far as I'm concerned if the user changes their UI scale it's up to them to move stuff around to look nice |
| 18:36.26 | Jamash | but my addon only has one frame :P |
| 18:37.18 | Lulia | "attempts to call method 'CollapseTable' (a nil value)" is the error |
| 18:37.41 | nevcairiel | well, obviously CollapseTable is not defined |
| 18:37.53 | Lulia | So I figured maybe my local wasn't setting properly, even though it should, by my understanding. So I changed the call to be: SpellTable:PowerBars.CollapseTable(i,#SpellTable) |
| 18:38.05 | Lulia | And it still gave the error |
| 18:38.09 | Jamash | you're declaring it with a dot but calling it with a colon |
| 18:38.10 | jnwhiteh | olafski: I don't recall what you asked me about |
| 18:38.15 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: http://paste.wowace.com/2938/ |
| 18:38.25 | jnwhiteh | olafski: basically, something set 'default' and 'hovercast' would cause the 'default' to not work |
| 18:38.28 | nevcairiel | Lulia: that should have given a syntax error :p |
| 18:38.34 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: thanks. |
| 18:38.36 | Jamash | should be function PowerBars:CollapseTable(yadda yadda) |
| 18:38.39 | Lulia | Where am I calling it with a colon? |
| 18:38.47 | Jamash | or no wait |
| 18:38.51 | Jamash | hmm |
| 18:38.55 | Lulia | I want to pass SpellTable as the first value in the function |
| 18:38.58 | Jamash | yeah that's completely wrong |
| 18:39.05 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 18:39.22 | Jamash | you can't call table:thing.thing(), that makes no sense |
| 18:40.15 | Lulia | Wait... why not? It would refer to function thing.thing() and pass the first value of thing.thing as table, no? |
| 18:40.24 | Lulia | What am I misunderstanding about colon syntax? :-/ |
| 18:40.26 | Jamash | ow, no |
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| 18:40.51 | olafski | jnwhiteh: we had some trouble binding keypad buttons :) |
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| 18:41.04 | jnwhiteh | shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:41.05 | jnwhiteh | let me know. |
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| 18:41.11 | nevcairiel | whatever is after the colon has to be the direct function call, you cant put another table in there and whatnot |
| 18:41.13 | Jamash | just call PowerBars.CollapseTable(SpellTable, i, #SpellTable) |
| 18:41.21 | nevcairiel | but you'll get a syntax error |
| 18:41.26 | nevcairiel | so you'll know :P |
| 18:41.31 | Lulia | Yeah, that's what I'm doing now |
| 18:41.33 | Lulia | Oh well |
| 18:43.29 | Jamash | table:method(args) is syntactic sugar for table.method(table, args), table:othertable.method(args) doesn't mean anything as far as I know |
| 18:43.50 | nevcairiel | Jamash: its a syntax error |
| 18:43.56 | Lulia | Yeah, I guess that makes sense now. |
| 18:44.59 | Lulia | In order to make that a universal table function I would have to make it as part of a table which other tables inherited from. |
| 18:45.17 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:46.18 | nevcairiel | Or just make it a utility function and forget about colon syntax |
| 18:46.33 | Lulia | I'm just making it a utility function :P |
| 18:48.02 | Jamash | nearly all my functions are methods on my addon's primary table |
| 18:48.47 | jnwhiteh | TomTomLite is much better, for anyone who's looking for a quest POI arrow: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18855-TomTomLite.html |
| 18:48.52 | Lulia | I've made all of my functions as methods on my addon's table, but mostly just because it keeps it consistent, I don't use the reference in all of them. |
| 18:49.06 | Jamash | same |
| 18:49.35 | nevcairiel | the arrow looks somewhat different to original tomtom .. its looks so .. stretched |
| 18:49.41 | nevcairiel | but maybe its just your screenshot |
| 18:49.45 | jnwhiteh | its a completely different arrow... |
| 18:49.46 | jnwhiteh | so.. |
| 18:49.59 | jnwhiteh | I can drop the old one in whenever I want, this is just a different graphic |
| 18:50.01 | syrae | Oh GOD. THE ARROW IS DIFFERENT! I CANNOT COPE!!! |
| 18:50.06 | jnwhiteh | for right now, it helps differentiate the two addons :P |
| 18:50.17 | Lulia | It points to the current quest location, jnwhiteh? |
| 18:50.27 | nevcairiel | nop, away from it |
| 18:50.27 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: it points to the closest quest location |
| 18:50.29 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 18:50.37 | jnwhiteh | or rather, the FIRST quest location |
| 18:50.44 | jnwhiteh | if you sort by proximity, then its the closest |
| 18:50.46 | Jamash | so I was wondering if there's a "making a sandwich while flying" addon that would let the user specify a point to fly towards, then make a really loud noise when you get near it / go past it |
| 18:50.55 | Lulia | Is it movable? |
| 18:51.01 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: yes, and scalable |
| 18:51.04 | Lulia | Nice :) |
| 18:51.06 | jnwhiteh | alt-drag and alt-mousewheel |
| 18:51.09 | Lulia | I'll give it a go in a bit. Thanks |
| 18:51.22 | Lulia | Ah man, you use that method for scaling too? :P |
| 18:51.26 | Lulia | And I thought I was clever ;) |
| 18:51.47 | Lulia | Nev doesn't find it useful! >.> |
| 18:52.13 | jnwhiteh | its a library |
| 18:52.16 | jnwhiteh | so =) |
| 18:52.23 | jnwhiteh | its one of the supported functions, so I inculded it. |
| 18:52.33 | nevcairiel | Yeah i disabled that :D |
| 18:53.11 | nevcairiel | actually, i just never enabled it |
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| 18:53.26 | Lulia | I was about to say, Nev |
| 18:53.35 | Lulia | Why disable it when you don't even have to put iti n? :P |
| 18:54.16 | Kraftman | is there any way that SendAddonMessage would crash the game rather than disconnecting the player? |
| 18:54.30 | nevcairiel | If there is, its a bug :P |
| 18:54.45 | Lulia | If you cause an infinite loop, definitely |
| 18:54.53 | Lulia | Among other things. |
| 18:55.24 | Kraftman | ok, thanks |
| 18:55.35 | Kraftman | it's probably my code then |
| 18:55.44 | Lulia | 99% of the time |
| 18:57.12 | Fisker | jnwhiteh ! |
| 18:57.12 | Fisker | http://androidandme.com/2010/12/phones/samsung-teases-industrys-first-nfc-chip-with-flash-memory/ |
| 18:58.42 | jnwhiteh | [Ammo]: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tomtomlite/ could you approve for me? |
| 18:58.46 | jnwhiteh | or anyone who can :P |
| 18:59.07 | Lulia | Nev should be able to |
| 19:00.32 | Lunessa | That looks like a whole new way to steal money from people. |
| 19:01.45 | Lulia | O.o |
| 19:02.04 | Lulia | Hope you don't leave your phone in the train station! |
| 19:02.05 | Lulia | whoooops |
| 19:02.43 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: done |
| 19:02.46 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: thanks. |
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| 19:09.03 | Lulia | Did you want a new arrow texture for it, jnwhiteh? |
| 19:09.13 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: i'm super open to that :P |
| 19:09.19 | Lulia | What would you like? |
| 19:09.31 | jnwhiteh | ideally, one like what I have in TomTom now, only prettier |
| 19:09.38 | jnwhiteh | so with actualy 3d perspective |
| 19:09.39 | jnwhiteh | as it turns |
| 19:10.51 | syrae | with polka dots on it |
| 19:11.01 | jnwhiteh | YES! |
| 19:11.03 | jnwhiteh | (okay no) |
| 19:11.05 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 19:11.05 | syrae | :D |
| 19:11.15 | Lulia | So you want a large image with all of the possible angles? |
| 19:11.16 | syrae | how about a bow tie? |
| 19:11.29 | Kraftman | whats the best way to try and work out where an infinite loop is in your code >< |
| 19:11.31 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: they could be 5º or 10º increments, but yeah |
| 19:11.38 | syrae | oh gods... |
| 19:11.51 | syrae | I just thought of a horrible arrow replacement |
| 19:12.06 | syrae | 1/2 Eye balls that LOOK in the direction you should go |
| 19:12.13 | syrae | (1 or 2) |
| 19:12.24 | Lulia | O.o |
| 19:12.30 | syrae | That'd be super creepy |
| 19:12.49 | Lulia | I'm trying to determine how I would make it prettier? Just like, a fancier arrow shape? |
| 19:13.13 | jnwhiteh | syrae: give it to me, I'll definitely include it =) |
| 19:13.21 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: yeah, just better lighting, perspective |
| 19:13.24 | jnwhiteh | anything |
| 19:13.26 | jnwhiteh | its so plain as it is |
| 19:13.30 | jnwhiteh | even a gradient woudl be better =) |
| 19:13.35 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:14.05 | Lulia | I'll give it a shot. Doing all those perspectives is what will make it take awhile though. That and I'll probably just do it in down time |
| 19:14.23 | foxlit | Can't you just reuse the quest objective arrow on the minimap? :) |
| 19:14.46 | foxlit | I mean, that unambiguously specifies a direction quite well. |
| 19:15.11 | syrae | yeah, but it's not TomTom angled |
| 19:15.24 | syrae | with perspective and whatnot |
| 19:15.36 | foxlit | any reason to care about the whatnot? :) |
| 19:15.50 | Lulia | aesthetics |
| 19:16.16 | foxlit | The minimap arrows look good :) |
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| 19:18.55 | Mikk | Jamash: "If the user changes their UI scale" ... and if I have two computers that I play on, with different resolutions? |
| 19:19.05 | Mikk | I really do like copying my savevars back and forth |
| 19:19.29 | Mikk | (Actually, the Curse Client does it for me automatically!) |
| 19:20.59 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: =) |
| 19:23.20 | Fisker | jnwhiteh: :) |
| 19:23.48 | nicoli_s | did a double take |
| 19:23.57 | nicoli_s | people saying nice things about the client, yay |
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| 19:24.17 | Primer | hrmm, Mounted is rather buggy |
| 19:24.29 | Lulia | nicoli_s: wha-? |
| 19:25.42 | Cide | it's kind of hard to do an eye ball that looks away from you and still being able to tell where it's looking |
| 19:25.53 | nicoli_s | lulia:im used to people shit talking the curse client |
| 19:25.58 | nicoli_s | weird to see people saying good things |
| 19:26.06 | Lunessa | foxlit: You always care about the "whatnot" when speaking to women. |
| 19:26.14 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 19:26.23 | Fisker | i'm saying nice things too |
| 19:26.56 | syrae | Cide: I was thinking about a "flat" one without perspective. I remember working on a Mac ages ago with some little app that added a pair of eyes to the bar at the top that would follow your mouse around the screen |
| 19:27.08 | Cide | that's only in the x-y plane though |
| 19:27.23 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 19:27.26 | syrae | TomTom also doesn't care about the Z plane |
| 19:27.26 | Fisker | isn't that right? |
| 19:27.42 | Cide | wrong plane though |
| 19:27.49 | Primer | what Z plane, heh |
| 19:27.55 | Cide | tom-tom doesn't care about height, your eyes wouldn't care about depth |
| 19:28.43 | Cide | (how would you differentiate between "go straight ahead" and "turn 180 degrees and go straight" |
| 19:28.48 | Cide | ?) |
| 19:29.26 | syrae | Using the same methods that flat signs use. Down == behind. Up == straight |
| 19:29.38 | syrae | (straight ahead) |
| 19:31.46 | Cide | could work I guess |
| 19:32.19 | syrae | besides... not like I'd actually put it together just because an eye would be horribly creepy |
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| 19:32.41 | Cide | isn't that a reason to *do* it? |
| 19:32.54 | syrae | shivers |
| 19:33.14 | Lunessa | I dislike flat direction arrows in 3D space. because the Down/Behind Up/Straight thing depends too heavily on my point of reference, especially when I can confuse it with indications to move along the z-axis. |
| 19:33.18 | syrae | There's a reason I never got the Hunter shoulders in BC with the EYES on them! |
| 19:33.31 | syrae | Lunessa: yar |
| 19:33.42 | syrae | I was never a fan of them, either |
| 19:34.00 | syrae | but they're also a well understood convention, and are thus useful. |
| 19:34.15 | syrae | ie: the minimap uses them and I don't get confused. |
| 19:34.31 | syrae | but the minimap also makes the different perspective more obvious, too |
| 19:35.59 | Lunessa | The minimap is a whole other kettle of irritations. |
| 19:36.16 | syrae | hehe |
| 19:36.30 | Lunessa | I understand the conventions. They are not intuitive for me. |
| 19:36.58 | Lunessa | Thus, having to process them through conscious thought means they slow me down. |
| 19:37.20 | syrae | Lunessa: have you ever read about UI design? |
| 19:37.28 | syrae | Or took a class on it, etc |
| 19:37.37 | syrae | Researched it' |
| 19:37.37 | Lunessa | syrae: EXTENSIVELY. |
| 19:37.48 | syrae | So Design of Everyday Things? |
| 19:37.59 | Lunessa | Read "The Psychology of Everyday Things" |
| 19:38.11 | syrae | :) |
| 19:38.40 | Lunessa | And I still think everyone (even if they hate Apple) should read their Human Interface Guidelines book |
| 19:38.55 | syrae | One of my favorite examples of arbitrary conventions was how a car's steering wheel works |
| 19:39.18 | syrae | and that the direction you turn it to turn a car could have easily been either way and can be justified either way |
| 19:40.22 | Lunessa | Right. But once you've made the choice, you must then remain consistent. |
| 19:40.29 | syrae | right |
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| 19:41.06 | syrae | An arbitrary choice isn't ideal, but once a convention is established, to most people it becomes internally justified and "natural" |
| 19:41.49 | Lunessa | Ever play Descent? The controls for that game illustrate my point completely. |
| 19:41.58 | syrae | I have not, unfortunately |
| 19:42.08 | Lunessa | Might be before your time. |
| 19:42.36 | syrae | mmm... a tiny bit. I didn't have a lot of spare income at the time it came out |
| 19:42.50 | syrae | also wasn't in my favored genre at the time |
| 19:43.01 | syrae | which was more Strategy |
| 19:43.38 | Lunessa | The controls were confusing to me (I'm not a pilot) and because UP and DOWN got easily confused visually it mad the direction notices even more confusing. |
| 19:44.38 | alestane | I vaguely remember Descent...FPS with 3d movement. |
| 19:45.15 | syrae | anyhow, lunch time. bbl |
| 19:45.19 | Lulia | I needs Nobgul! :P |
| 19:46.59 | mono|strigoy | Hey guys, got a question here: the default totembar has some kind of colored borders for each of the multicastslot buttons, is there any way I can address to that texture to remove or replace it? Here's the .xml https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/TotemFrame.xml but that TotemBorder texture doesn't have any name, so how can I address to it in order to modify it? |
| 19:47.05 | Lulia | Hmm, now that I see it smaller, I need to define the edges a bit more, but here's a rough concept jnwhiteh: http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Arrow.png |
| 19:50.22 | jnwhiteh | a bit too flat for my tastes, but really close |
| 19:50.25 | jnwhiteh | it'll end up being white anyway |
| 19:50.33 | jnwhiteh | and then i'll color it in-game |
| 19:50.42 | Fisker | i don't know what to do |
| 19:51.06 | Lulia | Oh, it's gray underneath |
| 19:51.15 | Lulia | I just threw over a color overlay to make it look nicer |
| 19:51.33 | Lulia | I actually made it flatter, it was thicker before ;) |
| 19:51.34 | Lulia | One sec |
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| 19:51.46 | Fisker | omfg |
| 19:51.56 | Fisker | phycics meltdown |
| 19:52.13 | Fisker | i was shifting out of flight form midair and it boosted me to like 280% speed |
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| 19:56.41 | bleetah | Am I missing something here? http://mauth.lostinstatic.com/ |
| 19:58.00 | nevcairiel | what would you be missing? |
| 19:58.18 | nevcairiel | I didnt know there was another one around now, though |
| 19:58.24 | nevcairiel | thought FlexAuth was still kinda unique :P |
| 19:59.46 | Sintacks | is there a setting for Grid2 to hide it with dual spec ... |
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| 20:02.38 | bleetah | nevcairiel: oic, well flexauth's source is viewable at least.... |
| 20:02.40 | nicoli_s | bleetah:looks nice, one of my coworkers is designing one for windows phone |
| 20:03.19 | Dagmar | He likes projects that are doomed from the start, rather than doomed by his own hand? |
| 20:03.52 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 20:04.01 | Shirik | Arbcom 2010 elections are ongoing |
| 20:04.10 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:04.20 | Shirik | I hover over one of the names and popups says "BLOCKED - indef" |
| 20:04.23 | bleetah | just I'd be concerned about the developer getting their paws on serials etc. |
| 20:04.23 | nevcairiel | bleetah: antiarc wrote it, so you know who to blame when your account gets stolen |
| 20:04.26 | Shirik | I think I'll support |
| 20:05.16 | Fisker | Shirik shifuimam Shirik |
| 20:05.32 | bleetah | nevcairiel: cheald is antiarc? cool. the app I linked you pay the dev for the priv of havin' yer account nicked hehe |
| 20:05.59 | nevcairiel | yeah he is |
| 20:06.17 | nevcairiel | that mauth thing costs money? |
| 20:06.28 | Lulia | jnwhiteh: ta da, thicker. I also tried playing with making the edges a bit more visible, but then the light overlay stopped appearing correctly. >.> http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Arrow2.png |
| 20:06.51 | bleetah | nevcairiel: AUD$1.60 |
| 20:09.25 | Jamash | I miss the talent that would give warlock pets a billion resistance :( |
| 20:14.55 | Jamash | I also miss the days when pets were immune to knockback |
| 20:17.10 | Fisker | i gotta golden ticket |
| 20:17.38 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: the edge closes to the bottom seems huge to me for some reason, and not sure I like te sloping on the top edge |
| 20:17.42 | jnwhiteh | but its an improvement :P |
| 20:17.44 | Jamash | are you going to the chocolate factory? |
| 20:19.44 | Dagmar | Nasty |
| 20:21.37 | Lulia | Hmm, well, I'll play around with some concepts a bit more later. I should be leveling! :P |
| 20:25.36 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:25.48 | jnwhiteh | I'ma fraid that this guild group is going to fail horribly on lich king |
| 20:25.50 | jnwhiteh | they can't even do Sindy. |
| 20:26.07 | mikma | sindy is hard |
| 20:26.22 | jnwhiteh | but if they can't tomb right.. they're gonna screw up defile hardcore. |
| 20:26.29 | mikma | i got icc10 raider achi but no 310% mount |
| 20:26.32 | jnwhiteh | the dance at LK is much harder than sindy |
| 20:26.35 | mikma | sucks balls |
| 20:26.56 | Fisker | i can't do it anymore jnwhiteh |
| 20:27.27 | Fisker | random dungeon -> ramparts -> random dungeon -> underbog -> random dungeon -> ramparts |
| 20:27.27 | Fisker | etc. |
| 20:27.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:28.36 | cog|work | the new leveling pace is great except i keep leaving my professions in the dust. I'm level 20 and the stuff i'm making requires level 8. i'm starting to get medium leather and i haven't even finished with the light leather recipes |
| 20:28.45 | cog|work | and don't even get me started on cooking (at least without fishing for backup) |
| 20:29.06 | cog|work | if i try to farm mats i'll just level even faster, and outpace the available quests |
| 20:29.09 | cog|work | *sigh* |
| 20:29.28 | bleetah | cog|work: leaving professions behind has been a trend for sometime. |
| 20:29.36 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 20:29.51 | cog|work | i thought they might do something about it with the new content |
| 20:29.51 | Fisker | i would cook you |
| 20:29.54 | Fisker | for free |
| 20:30.44 | Lunessa | cog|work: they reduced dungeon XP to help alleviate that. |
| 20:30.52 | Fisker | dungeon quest xp* |
| 20:30.53 | cog|work | i haven't touched dungeons |
| 20:31.09 | cog|work | by the time i have all the quests i'm way past the appropriate level |
| 20:31.26 | cog|work | so the rewards aren't that great |
| 20:31.55 | Fisker | for once donating money is bad |
| 20:32.15 | Fisker | lady gaga and other psuedo celebs are shutting up unless we pay them 1 million |
| 20:33.03 | bleetah | cant help but think they'd earn more if they stfu for good |
| 20:34.15 | durcyn | Fisker: what's it goign to take for you |
| 20:35.13 | Lulia | huh? |
| 20:35.38 | bleetah | cooks fisker |
| 20:35.52 | syrae | sighs |
| 20:36.25 | syrae | so... should I try to find a midnight release or just wait to get my copy like a normal person who can't skip work in the morning |
| 20:37.00 | Xyphoid | electronic upgrade? |
| 20:38.00 | Xyphoid | previously i bought the box so i didn't have to download all that xpack content, now that we've already downloaded it all... |
| 20:38.25 | syrae | well, I kinda wanted th CE because I'm a fool like that |
| 20:40.00 | Lulia | pfft, I remember with WotLK that I installed it from the box and it was like a patch behind the live, even though I had already downloaded the current patch before. Installing it from the box literally rolled me back a patch :P |
| 20:40.13 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Get back to work! |
| 20:40.45 | Lulia | I needs Nobgul! |
| 20:40.50 | syrae | I might also just get the digital download for my 2nd account and then the CE for my main |
| 20:42.16 | nicoli_s | Torhal:my job today is QA'ing billing, which is fucked up on the processor's side |
| 20:42.28 | Lunessa | I bought a CE for my main account and a box copy for my regular account. |
| 20:43.21 | Lulia | Apples and Bananas! |
| 20:46.15 | Lulia | So, uh, jnwhiteh, any reason why a character with quests and TomTomLite installed wouldn't have the arrow show up? O.o |
| 20:47.36 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Threaten to send Gammon after them. |
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| 20:48.06 | nicoli_s | will do |
| 20:48.59 | syrae | I think I'm screwed if I wanted the CE |
| 20:49.07 | syrae | unless I want to wait a few days |
| 20:49.49 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: are you tracking quest objectives? |
| 20:49.57 | Lulia | yup |
| 20:50.06 | Lulia | I have 1-5 on the side of my screen |
| 20:50.13 | jnwhiteh | then should 'just work' as long as you're in the same zone as any of those quests |
| 20:50.21 | Lulia | I am. |
| 20:50.24 | Lulia | It showed up on my DK |
| 20:50.30 | Xyphoid | so can you walk a non-worgen to silverpine to quest there alliance-side? |
| 20:50.44 | Lulia | Then I shift+clicked the quests and it went away (as intended) and then I logged onto my warrior and it didn't show up. |
| 20:51.00 | jnwhiteh | not sure what to tell you |
| 20:51.06 | jnwhiteh | are you tracking anything that isn't a quest? |
| 20:51.16 | jnwhiteh | it may be that that quest has no objective coordinates |
| 20:51.18 | jnwhiteh | is it on the map? |
| 20:51.36 | Lulia | It goes for number 1, right? |
| 20:51.40 | Lulia | And yeah, it's on the map |
| 20:51.40 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 20:51.44 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.55 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.00 | Lulia | [1]=24 |
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| 20:52.16 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.49 | Lulia | [1]="Plants of Zangarmarsh" [2]=63 [4]=0 [9]=9802 |
| 20:53.03 | jnwhiteh | then |
| 20:53.06 | Lulia | empty result |
| 20:53.07 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.08 | Lulia | for the last one |
| 20:53.12 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.20 | Lulia | and empty result for that too |
| 20:53.38 | Lulia | [1]=467 |
| 20:53.45 | jnwhiteh | for GetCurrentMapAreaID(9802)? |
| 20:53.49 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 20:53.54 | jnwhiteh | for /dump QuestPOIGetIconInfo(9802) |
| 20:53.55 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 20:54.04 | Lulia | The icon one was an empty result, yeah |
| 20:54.10 | jnwhiteh | that's why its failing |
| 20:54.18 | Lulia | O.o |
| 20:54.19 | jnwhiteh | and that shouldn't be the case, if its on your map somewhere |
| 20:54.26 | jnwhiteh | so i suspect thats actually not the case |
| 20:54.27 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:54.43 | Lulia | Well, 1 is on my map, but the first quest in the list is not, but it's not numbered. |
| 20:54.49 | jnwhiteh | that's why |
| 20:54.58 | jnwhiteh | because the 'closest' doesn't have an objective |
| 20:55.01 | Lulia | I have 1 non-numbered quest, 2 completed and then 1-5 starts |
| 20:55.03 | jnwhiteh | that's listed |
| 20:55.06 | jnwhiteh | that's why then |
| 20:55.10 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 20:55.10 | jnwhiteh | I suppose I can have it move to the second in that case |
| 20:55.21 | jnwhiteh | but i'm trying to kill lk |
| 20:55.25 | jnwhiteh | but my guild is failing on sindy =/ |
| 20:55.39 | Lulia | I'm not worried, I just wanted to make sure if it was a bug that you knew |
| 20:55.43 | nevcairiel | how do you plan to do lk when you fail there? :D |
| 20:55.44 | jnwhiteh | I didn't |
| 20:55.49 | jnwhiteh | its a weird corner case |
| 20:55.53 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: tell me about it |
| 20:56.01 | jnwhiteh | i hate when people don't know the fights they're in |
| 20:56.03 | jnwhiteh | so stupid |
| 20:56.03 | nevcairiel | also not that much time left |
| 20:56.05 | jnwhiteh | and don't pay attention |
| 20:56.10 | jnwhiteh | mage complaining he has 20 stacks in p3 |
| 20:56.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:56.18 | Lulia | oooh, hey, I did get a debug popup |
| 20:56.25 | Lulia | I just shift+clicked the quest that had no coords |
| 20:56.42 | Lulia | and apparently your addon tried to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 20:57.04 | Lulia | Oh, hmm, you know what, it wasn't your addon explicitly |
| 20:57.06 | Lulia | It was the lib |
| 20:57.59 | Lulia | Ah shoot, I just closed the window, ugh |
| 20:59.46 | Lulia | http://www.pastey.net/143503 |
| 21:02.49 | Lulia | For the above, even when I log out and log back in I get the error every time now. The addon draws the arrow and displays the text but doesn't color it. It happened after I shift+clicked the quest that had no location. I'm in Zangarmarsh in Outlands. |
| 21:05.15 | Maldivia | starts singing a bit... you better watch out, you better not cry... http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/willtohave/SantaClause.png |
| 21:05.15 | jnwhiteh | this is so freaking frustrating! |
| 21:05.24 | jnwhiteh | I even had an LK raid lock |
| 21:05.34 | jnwhiteh | and we're doing this because 'someone wants the frostwing halls achievement' |
| 21:05.35 | jnwhiteh | *scream* |
| 21:05.37 | Lulia | Make sure you take a look at the link when you are less frustrated. :P |
| 21:06.15 | durcyn | if you're missing raid achievements with a week left before the expansion, it may be time to consider fucking right off |
| 21:06.19 | syrae | because they misspelled Claus? Or because the image is horribly pixelated? |
| 21:07.16 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: its a non-raider as well |
| 21:08.21 | Lulia | O.o |
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| 21:17.46 | olafski | non raiders? there are people in this game who don't raid? :o |
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| 21:22.00 | ZorbaGama | I wonder how much better the spam mails would do if they learned how to speak English |
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| 21:23.17 | TMc51 | ZorbaGama: The amount of compromised accounts would rise by 10000% |
| 21:23.29 | airtonix | what does that mean |
| 21:24.37 | TMc51 | Awww come on, I set you guys up for an over 9000 crack D: |
| 21:24.49 | airtonix | i dont understand |
| 21:25.59 | airtonix | plz to hlp me understand this |
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| 21:27.39 | TMc51 | airtonix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik |
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| 21:28.40 | airtonix | :( |
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| 21:29.10 | syrae | understand what? |
| 21:29.45 | Mikk | "it's over 9000!" |
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| 21:30.14 | jnwhiteh | I am so pissed off that because someone wanted the fucking achievement, we've just sat wiping at Sindragosa for fucking 2.5 hours. |
| 21:30.18 | syrae | airtonix: "It's over 9000!" is an internet meme. They don't make sense most of the time. |
| 21:30.21 | jnwhiteh | *SCREAM* |
| 21:30.45 | airtonix | syrae, what is "internet" |
| 21:30.58 | TMc51 | jnwiteh: fake a disconnect. |
| 21:31.11 | TMc51 | meh, loltypos |
| 21:34.09 | Aurorus | jnwhiteh: why would they wipe constantly? What's so achieving about that? |
| 21:34.52 | ZorbaGama | it's actually a somewhat difficult achievement |
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| 21:35.04 | ZorbaGama | took me about two hours to get it as well, and that's with a competent non-pug group |
| 21:35.12 | ZorbaGama | if you're with pugs you're baaaaaaasically fucked |
| 21:35.33 | foxlit | Achievement just needs to be rephrased |
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| 21:35.40 | foxlit | "... on your first try." |
| 21:35.53 | ZorbaGama | that would suck though :) |
| 21:36.01 | ZorbaGama | why can't he just get it after cata? it'll be far easier |
| 21:36.19 | foxlit | "ZorbaGama: that would suck though :)" << No, it would precisely not do that. |
| 21:36.34 | foxlit | I mean, wiping to get an achievement is *horrible* |
| 21:36.49 | ZorbaGama | it'd suck for anyone who wanted the achievement |
| 21:36.55 | ZorbaGama | one-shot achievements are pretty awful |
| 21:37.17 | foxlit | Meh, it's reasonable. The problem is that the metas have some reward |
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| 21:37.39 | foxlit | anyone who wanted the achievement would just have to find a competent group. That, granted, might be hard. |
| 21:37.51 | ZorbaGama | even with a competent group that one can take a few tries |
| 21:37.53 | foxlit | But perhaps that's an achievement? :P |
| 21:37.56 | ZorbaGama | one try per week would be awful |
| 21:38.12 | airtonix | stop playing around peasants! |
| 21:38.33 | foxlit | You have many, many weeks to get it right :) |
| 21:38.42 | airtonix | ja |
| 21:39.13 | ZorbaGama | I don't care about the week count, I'm saying that would be frustrating. also, getting one shot per week to try something makes it far more difficult to learn. human brains don't really work that way. |
| 21:39.41 | airtonix | you must single out the unclean |
| 21:40.03 | foxlit | More frustrating than repeatedly wiping on trivial content because people are just not good enough? :) |
| 21:40.29 | ZorbaGama | if you're doing the achievement, it's not all that trivial :) |
| 21:40.35 | Dagmar | Generally it's because they're lazy bastards who want the pally tank to AoE everything |
| 21:41.01 | airtonix | you need devoted subjects |
| 21:41.22 | foxlit | ZorbaGama: surely, the requirements on the *individual* are trivial. |
| 21:41.45 | Dagmar | Phrases like "just heal through it" == failure incoming |
| 21:42.03 | ZorbaGama | not all that trivial. actually getting it down requires a certain amount of coordination |
| 21:42.19 | ZorbaGama | it's not one of those achievements that just comes down to everyone watching their own stack |
| 21:42.24 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/12/1/ |
| 21:42.34 | airtonix | how long before it gets reduced to a hopskotch game ? |
| 21:42.51 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Zombiehs! |
| 21:43.09 | Lunessa | Braaaaaaaaains |
| 21:44.11 | foxlit | ZorbaGama: For the most part, it is. Tank rotation is pretty much the only remotely tricky part. |
| 21:44.24 | foxlit | What is perhaps more annoying is that the achievement requires *other people* to not fail. |
| 21:44.52 | ZorbaGama | most achievements do :P |
| 21:45.05 | ZorbaGama | you're in a raid. the point isn't to solo it. |
| 21:45.30 | Dagmar | God, why roll a rogue at all then |
| 21:45.33 | Lunessa | The worst thing about MMORPGs is other people. |
| 21:45.43 | foxlit | The point is that those are *personal* achievements. |
| 21:46.03 | Lunessa | Contrariwise it's also the best thing about MMORPGs. |
| 21:46.06 | Aurorus | lol Lunessa - you should play LotRO ;) |
| 21:46.12 | Lunessa | No. |
| 21:46.14 | Lunessa | NEVER |
| 21:46.21 | Aurorus | whoa, easy tiger :) |
| 21:46.25 | Aurorus | why Never? |
| 21:47.01 | Lunessa | Because all I have to hear is some hobbit call someone a "fag" or a "n00b" and I will ravage the bodies of every being whop has dared to profane my sacred memories of Middle Earth. |
| 21:47.25 | Lunessa | RAVAGE |
| 21:47.27 | Aurorus | well, that really doesn't happen in LotRO - the 'pug' and general community is actually really mature |
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| 21:47.50 | Aurorus | I went for a gander in WoW-land and I was shocked beyond words at the community |
| 21:48.00 | ZorbaGama | anal [Wrath of Sauron] lolololol |
| 21:48.06 | Dagmar | Aurorus: Yeah, I find it absolutely freaking baffling that the retarded kiddies who complain about monthly fees _don't_ seem to play the free2play games at all |
| 21:48.22 | Dagmar | Aurorus: I thought the game would be filled with complete c**ktards |
| 21:48.34 | airtonix | do sense some upset people? |
| 21:48.43 | Dagmar | Even on DDO they just kind of evaporated |
| 21:48.50 | airtonix | would you like some hoe coccoa? |
| 21:48.53 | airtonix | hot* |
| 21:48.59 | Dagmar | Maybe it's got something to do with free accounts get bounced _hard_ for people acting like a douche |
| 21:48.59 | Aurorus | yeah - when they announced F2P, Dagmar, I thought there would be an influx of the less than desirable types - but it really hasn't |
| 21:49.13 | Dagmar | It's downright eerie |
| 21:49.28 | Aurorus | I guess since the community is established to be helpful, courteous, etc - the idiots look really out of place and no one wants to play with them. |
| 21:49.36 | Dagmar | You can ask a question in OOC and not be told about someone doing your mom |
| 21:49.38 | airtonix | Dagmar, what about gold spammers? |
| 21:49.40 | foxlit | http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0042/9942/products/matchmaking_det_1.jpeg?1288450899 |
| 21:49.42 | foxlit | cute. |
| 21:49.47 | Dagmar | airtonix: Nearly nonexistant as well. Go figure |
| 21:49.48 | Aurorus | airtonix: pretty much non-existent |
| 21:49.55 | airtonix | interesting |
| 21:50.15 | airtonix | i guess thats conducive to a money shop? |
| 21:50.20 | Dagmar | By comparison, in FFXIV beta I think there was a gold spammer sitting in the first adventure area *flooding* the chat channels non-stop the entiere time |
| 21:50.24 | airtonix | or beneficial |
| 21:50.25 | Aurorus | F2P accounts have a 2 gold limit (which is pretty tiny in the LotRO economy - one mount is worth 4g) |
| 21:50.35 | airtonix | Dagmar, aion is like that too |
| 21:50.40 | Dagmar | airtonix: I think it's a more a matter of the kiddies who make asses of themselves and _pay for gold_ don't play |
| 21:51.18 | Aurorus | yeah, there's a certain atmosphere in LotRO that the GMs and community try to keep. It keeps the bad sorts out :) |
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| 22:03.45 | Cide1 | has anyone ever heard of differentiating a function with respect to another function? |
| 22:04.11 | Nobgul | Not that i can recall Cide1. |
| 22:04.20 | Cide1 | say f(x) = 5k(x), "differentiate f(x) with respect to k(x)" |
| 22:04.36 | Nobgul | Has anyone ever played Dragon age orgins? |
| 22:04.49 | Cide1 | yes, it's a great game but unrelated to the above calculus |
| 22:05.04 | Nobgul | Hehe yer im looking for a game on steam sorry ~p |
| 22:05.33 | Cide1 | apparently it's doable, my google fu is weak |
| 22:05.51 | Nobgul | My math foo is weak sorry |
| 22:06.05 | Lulia | Nobgul |
| 22:06.24 | Nobgul | I didint do it |
| 22:06.25 | Nobgul | ! |
| 22:06.28 | Nobgul | hides |
| 22:06.29 | Mikk | Cide1: iterative diff, hth, hand |
| 22:06.37 | Cide1 | hth? |
| 22:06.47 | Lulia | I put an update up to the power bars beta |
| 22:06.50 | Mikk | hope this helps, have a nice day =) |
| 22:06.56 | Cide1 | wtf |
| 22:06.59 | Mikk | i forgot a ymmv in there |
| 22:07.00 | Nobgul | ohhh |
| 22:07.04 | Cide1 | and what do you mean by iterative diff? |
| 22:07.09 | Cide1 | I mean the answer is quite trivially 5 in my example |
| 22:07.15 | Cide1 | I'm just trying to get maple to understand what I want |
| 22:07.26 | Cide1 | so I need to find the proper term for it |
| 22:07.27 | Lulia | I just want you to see if everything is stable when you get a chance. Also, the errors are hidden now, but if you open up the log while you do it you can see if they're still happening |
| 22:07.44 | Mikk | oh, nvm me then |
| 22:08.03 | Nobgul | Ok I will try it out tommorow, I am taking the night off from wow. |
| 22:08.06 | Mikk | (damn, i had totally forgotten about maple. time heals wonderous wounds.) |
| 22:08.18 | Nobgul | Ah shit nvm i got a raid tonight =( |
| 22:08.39 | zenzelezz | "Cruiser who allegedly released ship's anchor faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted" - things not to do while drunk... |
| 22:08.40 | Lulia | >.< |
| 22:08.41 | zenzelezz | http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/post/2010/11/holland-america-ryndam-anchor-rick-ehlert-fbi-cruise-ship/133032/1 |
| 22:09.05 | jnwhiteh | Aurorus: they're not good. |
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| 22:10.13 | Nobgul | Still need to find a game on steam =P |
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| 22:10.58 | zenzelezz | Nobgul: just open Steam and there's hundreds of games right there |
| 22:11.43 | Sintacks | is there any kind of addon that will do a /who on dal and org every so often to get level 80 names without popping up the Who List |
| 22:12.26 | Nobgul | zenzelezz, Yer I know. Just trying to find one that i will like. |
| 22:12.27 | zenzelezz | why would you want to do that? |
| 22:12.33 | zenzelezz | @Sintacks |
| 22:12.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:12.44 | zenzelezz | Nobgul: I know, I was being super-clever |
| 22:12.46 | Sintacks | to help keep Prat's levels list shit populated |
| 22:13.04 | sylvanaar | the module control panel? |
| 22:13.34 | sylvanaar | now its this huge scroll list of radio buttons |
| 22:13.50 | sylvanaar | woops |
| 22:13.54 | sylvanaar | wrong channel |
| 22:17.33 | Cide1 | Mikk: if you care, it's called functional derivative and maple lets you do it if you `with(Physics):` first :) |
| 22:23.45 | Nobgul | ANyone play divinity 2? |
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| 22:31.22 | Gnarfoz | !api achievem |
| 22:31.22 | lua_bot | Found 42 possible matches for 'achievem'. Please be more specific |
| 22:31.26 | Gnarfoz | blergh. |
| 22:31.52 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 22:32.00 | airtonix | scapel |
| 22:32.10 | Nobgul | That doesn't even remotly resemble anything I have ever seen =P |
| 22:32.28 | Nobgul | ANyone play divinity 2?!! |
| 22:32.29 | airtonix | neither does your face |
| 22:32.38 | Nobgul | err |
| 22:32.42 | Nobgul | IM too tired lol |
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| 22:33.56 | Fisker | farts |
| 22:35.56 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 22:36.02 | Shirik | hey |
| 22:36.06 | Shirik | in a meeting can I get back to you later? |
| 22:36.19 | Cide | certainly |
| 22:36.31 | airtonix | i can get you later in a meeting |
| 22:37.11 | bleetah | meeting can get later back to you in a I |
| 22:37.15 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 22:37.24 | airtonix | SILENCE PEASANT! |
| 22:37.25 | Fisker | is that a rhetorical question? |
| 22:37.35 | syrae | I'm pretty sure airtonix is a bot |
| 22:37.45 | bleetah | syrae: no u |
| 22:38.17 | airtonix | syrae, please do not think I am intelligent, I am only a bot |
| 22:39.47 | Jamash | didn't you say that I'm a bot? |
| 22:39.55 | syrae | Jamash: yes |
| 22:40.00 | Jamash | maybe you're a bot |
| 22:40.00 | syrae | I'm paranoid |
| 22:40.07 | Jamash | a paranoid android? |
| 22:40.12 | syrae | but that does not make me Marvin |
| 22:40.19 | Jamash | ~syrae++ |
| 22:40.19 | bleetah | purl is a bot |
| 22:40.21 | TMc51 | I'm an FBI agent. You have every reason to be paranoid, we're out to get you. |
| 22:40.25 | syrae | bows |
| 22:40.30 | syrae | I think that was my first karma |
| 22:40.35 | Jamash | my dad's laptop is named Marvin |
| 22:40.40 | Fisker | female body inspector? |
| 22:40.52 | bleetah | hawaiin bikini inspector? |
| 22:40.54 | TMc51 | OMG! Caught! |
| 22:41.13 | bleetah | oh that'd be HBI, nm |
| 22:41.38 | airtonix | i am not amused |
| 22:42.01 | Jamash | I think you mean "we are not amused" |
| 22:42.23 | airtonix | :( |
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| 22:46.39 | Nobgul | Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 1634.74kb/s ¤ Current Upstream: 30.34kb/s) |
| 22:47.23 | Fisker | slaps Gintaro around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:47.25 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:47.39 | Gintaro | hmmm? |
| 22:48.51 | airtonix | kinky |
| 22:49.02 | airtonix | but unfortunately |
| 22:49.07 | airtonix | no lube |
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| 22:52.07 | kd3|netbook | blah, no wonder the net ground to a halt for a second a minute ago |
| 22:52.11 | kd3|netbook | woot just had their bag o' crap up |
| 22:53.57 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 22:54.05 | kd3|netbook | ya? |
| 22:54.10 | Fisker | Blizzard are jerks because they don't care about EU children |
| 22:54.19 | Fisker | EVEN THOUGH make-a-wish is actually international and not US only |
| 22:54.24 | kd3|netbook | you sound surprised |
| 22:54.37 | airtonix | Fisker, welcome to cynicism |
| 22:55.02 | kd3|netbook | not that he hasn't been firmly planted in that mindset for years now |
| 22:55.44 | airtonix | oh shit |
| 22:57.27 | Fisker | why so? |
| 23:00.20 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: issue fixed, it'll find the first objective that has coordinates |
| 23:02.35 | Fisker | why does random dungeon suck jnwhiteh ? |
| 23:02.44 | jnwhiteh | cause you're not a tank |
| 23:02.55 | Fisker | all i wanted was to get something else than coilfang and hellfire |
| 23:03.01 | Fisker | but nooooooo |
| 23:03.10 | bleetah | Fisker: u suk |
| 23:03.19 | Fisker | and then i had to be stuck with tanks that were like "lol charge, intercept, 500 yards away gogog heal" |
| 23:03.23 | Fisker | jerks |
| 23:03.30 | Jamash | so looking forward to lifegrip |
| 23:03.38 | Jamash | TRY RUNNING OUT OF HEALING RANGE NOW BITCH |
| 23:03.45 | Fisker | or this guy who didn't want to buff might because he hadn't trained it |
| 23:03.45 | syrae | Jamash: hahaha |
| 23:03.47 | Fisker | he was level 65 |
| 23:03.53 | Fisker | and you get the spell at level 56 |
| 23:03.58 | Fisker | rage |
| 23:04.41 | Jamash | I think visiting your trainer should automatically train everything available |
| 23:04.52 | Jamash | whether you want it or not |
| 23:05.35 | jnwhiteh | what about money? |
| 23:05.36 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 23:05.40 | Jamash | what's money? |
| 23:05.50 | jnwhiteh | the thing you have to pay for the spells with |
| 23:05.51 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 23:05.56 | Jamash | I can roll on a new server and have 20g in a couple hours |
| 23:06.05 | Jamash | without even trying that hard |
| 23:06.08 | jnwhiteh | everyone is not you =) |
| 23:06.15 | Jamash | thank goodness |
| 23:06.17 | jnwhiteh | you could write an addon that trains all the spells for you :P |
| 23:06.19 | Lulia | NEat, jnwhiteh, will it fix the error that happened too? |
| 23:06.21 | Jamash | I did :D |
| 23:06.26 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: what error? |
| 23:06.44 | Jamash | learning aid 1.11 puts a "train all" button on tradeskill and class trainers. |
| 23:06.53 | Lulia | http://www.pastey.net/143503 |
| 23:07.09 | Lulia | When I shift+clicked the quest with no coordinates, to try and get it to a different quest |
| 23:07.13 | Lulia | That error popped up |
| 23:07.14 | Jamash | it's very convenient |
| 23:07.25 | Lulia | And now whenever I log in my warrior I get that error |
| 23:07.33 | Lulia | Or do a /reload |
| 23:07.34 | jnwhiteh | what zone is he in? |
| 23:07.36 | Jamash | solution: stop logging in on your warrior |
| 23:07.41 | Lulia | Zangarmarsh |
| 23:08.02 | jnwhiteh | whats line 55 in your version |
| 23:08.05 | jnwhiteh | or 50 |
| 23:08.14 | Lulia | Which file? |
| 23:08.24 | jnwhiteh | TomTomLite.lua |
| 23:08.39 | Lulia | 50: frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) |
| 23:08.44 | jnwhiteh | and 55 |
| 23:08.45 | RJohn1 | @ syrae, Interesting....very interesting.. |
| 23:08.49 | Lulia | 55: local distance, xd, yd = addon.mapdata:DistanceWithinContinent(cmap, 0, cx, cy, map, floor, x, y) |
| 23:08.55 | jnwhiteh | hrm, okay |
| 23:09.08 | jnwhiteh | print out cx, cx, map, floor, x, y for me? |
| 23:09.32 | Lulia | Alright |
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| 23:09.54 | jnwhiteh | in short, I have no idea why the error is happening :P |
| 23:10.07 | Jamash | Because God and/or Blizzard hates you? |
| 23:10.10 | jnwhiteh | but I can guard it |
| 23:10.11 | Lulia | They're part of addon.mapdata? |
| 23:10.24 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 23:10.27 | Jamash | put a print statement right before line 55 |
| 23:10.30 | Jamash | in your copy |
| 23:10.31 | jnwhiteh | no, they're arguments all defined there |
| 23:11.03 | Lulia | oh, duh |
| 23:11.42 | syrae | RJohn1: what? |
| 23:11.46 | jnwhiteh | you can also replace your TomTomLite.lua with this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/298731/ |
| 23:11.51 | jnwhiteh | it should 'avoid' the issue |
| 23:12.05 | jnwhiteh | what that means exactly, I don't know. |
| 23:13.22 | Lulia | It prints twice before the error |
| 23:13.31 | jnwhiteh | but what are the values |
| 23:13.36 | jnwhiteh | i know its going to print :P |
| 23:13.37 | airtonix | Fisker, i will be your demise |
| 23:14.39 | Lulia | cx: 0.24186742305756 cy: 0.31207656860352 map: 467 floor: 0 x: 0.44160795211792 y: 0.69163453578949 |
| 23:14.46 | Lulia | For both print statements |
| 23:14.54 | Lulia | I was typing them out! It just took a min, sheesh :P |
| 23:14.55 | jnwhiteh | that all seems in order to me.. no idea why libmapdata is bitching. |
| 23:15.03 | jnwhiteh | maybe kagaro could tell us O.o |
| 23:15.15 | jnwhiteh | update your TomTomLite.lua to the one I posted |
| 23:15.19 | jnwhiteh | see if it 'fixes' or 'hides' it |
| 23:15.25 | Lulia | Yeah, was in the process of |
| 23:15.50 | Lulia | nope |
| 23:16.06 | jnwhiteh | yeah then its a LibMapData issue |
| 23:16.10 | jnwhiteh | or something else is weird |
| 23:16.11 | jnwhiteh | one sec. |
| 23:17.16 | jnwhiteh | well then |
| 23:17.23 | Lulia | ? |
| 23:17.23 | jnwhiteh | those functions are all wrong |
| 23:17.25 | jnwhiteh | as far as I can tell.. |
| 23:17.28 | Lulia | lol |
| 23:17.58 | Jamash | everything is wrong! burn it to the ground and sow the fields with salt! |
| 23:18.24 | syrae | mmmm sounds like you're making potato chips |
| 23:18.32 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: change LibMapdata-1.0/library.lua to this? |
| 23:18.33 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/298735/ |
| 23:18.34 | syrae | numy |
| 23:18.43 | Lulia | Alright |
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| 23:19.09 | Hjalte | http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html |
| 23:19.11 | Hjalte | Uh |
| 23:19.17 | Lulia | holy shit |
| 23:19.18 | Jamash | wrong window? |
| 23:19.25 | Lulia | You have to store all that info for the maps? |
| 23:19.32 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: i dont do anything, but yes. |
| 23:19.33 | Hjalte | Yeah, but still, Android ftw :> |
| 23:20.01 | Hjalte | Old versions are almost gone. |
| 23:20.12 | Lulia | hmm |
| 23:20.20 | airtonix | qqmoar |
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| 23:20.45 | airtonix | Hjalte, btw have you made any homescreen widgets ? |
| 23:21.02 | Hjalte | Nope, nothing like that. |
| 23:21.14 | airtonix | useless |
| 23:21.20 | airtonix | begone from my sight |
| 23:21.45 | Lulia | Still have the error |
| 23:21.55 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: really? |
| 23:22.04 | jnwhiteh | the EXACT same error? |
| 23:23.30 | Lulia | yeah |
| 23:23.50 | jnwhiteh | I find this very hard to believe |
| 23:23.51 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 23:24.01 | Lulia | pasting it |
| 23:24.15 | Lulia | http://www.pastey.net/143509 |
| 23:25.06 | jnwhiteh | ah, so you would. |
| 23:25.14 | jnwhiteh | that's because LibmapData is missing data. |
| 23:25.17 | jnwhiteh | that's quite annoying. |
| 23:25.37 | Lulia | sorry :-/ |
| 23:25.37 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: you familiar with LibMapData at all? |
| 23:25.39 | Nobgul | When all else fails. Blame the Lib. |
| 23:26.14 | jnwhiteh | only. not |
| 23:26.24 | syrae | Nobgul: honestly, I find that blaming the user is also a good solution |
| 23:26.25 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: so the map in that case was 467, correct? |
| 23:26.32 | Nobgul | What version of it are you using. Im showing a new version. |
| 23:26.34 | Lulia | yeah, Zangarmarsh |
| 23:26.42 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: i JUST commited a new alpha version :P |
| 23:26.57 | jnwhiteh | ['floors'] = 0, ['name'] = "Zangarmarsh", ['rzti'] = 530, ['map_type'] = 0, ['continent'] = 3, ['link'] = 0,['transform'] = 0, |
| 23:27.02 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 23:27.03 | jnwhiteh | fucking fail |
| 23:27.08 | Nobgul | Ah lol |
| 23:27.25 | Nobgul | clad, |
| 23:27.29 | Nobgul | Fix some copy/pasta errors |
| 23:27.31 | Nobgul | =P |
| 23:27.36 | jnwhiteh | well thats what it was |
| 23:27.42 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:27.50 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: that code should not be invoked |
| 23:27.55 | Nobgul | pasta errors are always the wrose =P |
| 23:27.56 | jnwhiteh | transform in this case is 0 |
| 23:28.29 | Nobgul | Ok I am going back to wallow in the well of self pity in the corner; scream if you need me. |
| 23:28.43 | Lulia | O.o |
| 23:28.59 | Lulia | No wallowing in self pity |
| 23:29.03 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: you didn't print cmap |
| 23:29.09 | jnwhiteh | there should have been two maps |
| 23:29.12 | jnwhiteh | cmap and map |
| 23:29.18 | jnwhiteh | can you add that to the print statement? |
| 23:29.39 | Lulia | sure |
| 23:29.44 | Lulia | but, btw: (6:09:00 PM) jnwhiteh: print out cx, cx, map, floor, x, y for me? |
| 23:29.49 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:29.52 | jnwhiteh | yeah sorry |
| 23:29.57 | jnwhiteh | cmap should be the same |
| 23:29.58 | jnwhiteh | just want to know |
| 23:31.33 | Lulia | cmap is 467 and map is 467 |
| 23:31.44 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 23:31.45 | Nobgul | ~logs |
| 23:31.45 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily, or the log URL is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
| 23:31.49 | Lulia | Nobgul, I will kick the emo right out of you |
| 23:31.50 | jnwhiteh | the what you have should not be happening. |
| 23:31.56 | Nobgul | Lulia!~ |
| 23:31.56 | jnwhiteh | let me go to zangarmarsh |
| 23:31.58 | jnwhiteh | see if I can repro this. |
| 23:32.21 | Nobgul | grrrr |
| 23:32.22 | Lulia | I can take a screen shot if you want! |
| 23:32.26 | Lulia | I promise it's happening |
| 23:32.26 | Nobgul | logs arent up to date QQ |
| 23:32.29 | Lulia | Uh |
| 23:32.32 | jnwhiteh | no, i believe youo |
| 23:32.46 | Lulia | Trying to get our sexy tells from earlier, Nobgul? |
| 23:33.29 | Lulia | You promised you wouldnt share them with your wife |
| 23:33.49 | Nobgul | lol |
| 23:33.56 | Nobgul | Naw looking for soemthing someone said last night. |
| 23:36.31 | jnwhiteh | almost at zangarmarsh |
| 23:37.32 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (~spode@213.21.119.7) |
| 23:37.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~quassel@124-149-98-9.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:37.59 | Jerub | have you guys seen the new ui on "you must obtain better gear" messages in the dungeon finder? |
| 23:38.06 | Jerub | they now tell you your ilvl and the requirement. |
| 23:38.28 | Nobgul | Yer |
| 23:38.44 | Nobgul | To bad gear doesn't = skill |
| 23:39.02 | Jerub | Nobgul: You Must Be This High To Enter This Instance |
| 23:39.08 | airtonix | your in the wrong game |
| 23:39.31 | Gintaro | Indeed, I distinctly remember autoattacking with warglaives ... |
| 23:39.36 | Jerub | yeah, i was in exactly 180 avg ilvl gear pulling 2k+ dps. |
| 23:39.37 | Nobgul | 0-O |
| 23:40.31 | Jerub | and there was a paladin there in mostly ilvl200 blues who was having trouble hitting 1200 |
| 23:40.39 | Jerub | (he was being carried by his friend the tank, so no one minded) |
| 23:41.01 | Gintaro | You can't blame the casuals |
| 23:41.20 | Jerub | Gintaro: who's doing that? we'd both popped 80 that day. |
| 23:41.37 | kd3|netbook | there are no ilvl limitations if you form the group manually and not via the dungeon finder |
| 23:42.05 | Gintaro | But you put more effort into the game then him/her apparently |
| 23:42.32 | Gintaro | And I don't mind someone doing bad dps, as long as they don't do something really stupid |
| 23:43.15 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: I can't fix this problem |
| 23:43.18 | Gintaro | Hell, I've done more dps in my nightslayer set then some people in their 80 purples |
| 23:43.23 | jnwhiteh | need help |
| 23:43.30 | Gintaro | call 911! |
| 23:44.17 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 23:46.54 | Lulia | cant reproduce it? |
| 23:47.21 | Jamash | looks up to date to me |
| 23:48.08 | Jamash | call ghostbusters |
| 23:49.15 | Jamash | why can't battle.net detect that I'm logged in to an account that already has upgraded to cata and stop showing me the ad? |
| 23:49.29 | kd3|netbook | because their ad platform isn't that smart |
| 23:50.01 | foxlit | those ads are stupid to begin with |
| 23:50.08 | Jerub | Jamash: omg yes. |
| 23:51.41 | Nobgul | Jamash, You could always just use wow.exe. |
| 23:52.10 | Jamash | Nobgul: I mean the website |
| 23:52.32 | Jamash | the full-window interstitial |
| 23:52.43 | Nobgul | Ah yer the website blows. |
| 23:53.11 | Nobgul | The forum's aren't much better |
| 23:54.01 | airtonix | your face is not much better |
| 23:54.06 | Nobgul | Hrmm |
| 23:54.21 | Nobgul | Be nice or ill Fisker you. |
| 23:54.34 | airtonix | Jamash, l2privoxy |
| 23:55.14 | Jamash | huh? |
| 23:55.29 | syrae | See? |
| 23:55.32 | syrae | I swear he's a bot |
| 23:56.04 | airtonix | nou |
| 23:57.03 | Jamash | syrae: why do you say you swear he's a bot? |
| 23:57.22 | syrae | Largely because his responses show a rudimentary grasp of the English language, "What is the 'internet'?" and then he says things with vocabularic content above his apparent reading level. |
| 23:58.11 | syrae | especially since the content seems to be errativ |
| 23:58.19 | syrae | *erratic |
| 23:58.37 | syrae | But, you know.. that's just my opinion |
| 23:58.40 | airtonix | qqmoae |
| 23:59.03 | alestane | I've seen shots of people getting into protracted arguments with AGT. |
| 23:59.11 | airtonix | love that |
| 23:59.51 | Lunessa | Why do you feel that you love that? |
| 23:59.58 | syrae | heh |
