| 00:05.34 | batrick | so how do you get the xml database? |
| 00:05.42 | batrick | i couldn't find anything after looking around on wowhead |
| 00:07.48 | syrae | http://www.wowhead.com/item=46017&xml |
| 00:08.15 | Slackwise_ | http://translate.google.com/#de|de|pv%20zk%20bschk%20pv%20zk%20pv%20bschk%20zk%20pv%20zk%20bschk%20pv%20zk%20pv%20bschk%20zk%20bschk%20pv%20bschk%20bschk%20pv%20kkkkkkkkkk%20bschk%0A%0A |
| 00:08.22 | Slackwise_ | (Didn't meant to bold.) |
| 00:08.30 | Slackwise_ | You can make Goog Translate beatbox... |
| 00:08.31 | batrick | syrae: thanks |
| 00:08.33 | Nobgul | Slackwise_, dolby linked that last night =P |
| 00:08.39 | Slackwise_ | :P |
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| 00:09.00 | Lulia | dolby doesn't exist! |
| 00:10.01 | Nobgul | rosco762, type /msg nickserv help register |
| 00:10.10 | Nobgul | otherwise join #help |
| 00:10.34 | Nobgul | And just so you know rosco762, its considered rude to just msg someone without asking =P |
| 00:10.45 | rosco762 | Really? |
| 00:10.54 | Nobgul | Yes |
| 00:11.02 | Lulia | Oh, I'm doing that all the time to Nobgul now. |
| 00:11.06 | Nobgul | lol |
| 00:11.18 | batrick | syrae: seems to only work with items? |
| 00:11.32 | batrick | i tried http://www.wowhead.com/spell=35896&xml |
| 00:11.32 | syrae | batrick: possible. I haven't messed with it much lately |
| 00:11.45 | dolby | is a figment of your imagination |
| 00:11.45 | Nobgul | rosco762, http://www.livinginternet.com/r/ru_chatq.htm |
| 00:11.48 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 00:11.54 | Yssaril | batrick: yea its items only |
| 00:11.55 | rosco762 | Nobgul: Well, I went through the whole registration process and when I tried to verify it, it said PLease Log IN. |
| 00:11.57 | Nobgul | halp dolby msged me without asking! |
| 00:12.03 | Nobgul | then log in |
| 00:12.10 | rosco762 | How? |
| 00:12.13 | Nobgul | type /msg nickserv help identify |
| 00:12.23 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.24 | durcyn | godamnit |
| 00:12.30 | airtonix | lol |
| 00:12.34 | Nobgul | Ok everyone should vote Nobgul, in the next ircop election =P |
| 00:13.09 | dolby | my vote can be bought |
| 00:13.10 | airtonix | who is this nobgul ? |
| 00:13.12 | Yssaril | batrick: btw does wowhead say what type of mount it is now? (it didn;t used to) |
| 00:13.27 | syrae | hehe |
| 00:13.28 | batrick | it's really messy |
| 00:13.36 | Yssaril | explain |
| 00:13.38 | batrick | i'm just going to use that skill level required |
| 00:14.08 | syrae | Yssaril: link him your DB file. I keep feeling like he's replicating work |
| 00:14.12 | syrae | And it makes me sad |
| 00:14.22 | batrick | Yssaril: I assme you're talking to me? Because right now the spells for mounts have jibberish for the increase to flying speed |
| 00:14.26 | Nobgul | syrae, I feel the same way as well. |
| 00:14.37 | Yssaril | batrick: yea |
| 00:15.02 | Yssaril | batrick: use the data from http://paste.wowace.com/2932/ :) |
| 00:15.06 | batrick | it's my own little thing to hack on in my spare spare time |
| 00:15.22 | batrick | I don't care about replicating work |
| 00:15.47 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 00:17.23 | Adys | best rogue lvling spec, sub assa or combat? |
| 00:17.28 | Adys | (72-80) |
| 00:17.31 | Dagmar | Anal spec |
| 00:17.36 | syrae | errrr |
| 00:17.50 | syrae | s/poisons/lube? |
| 00:17.54 | Lunessa | Rogues do it from behind, and without asking first. |
| 00:17.54 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 00:17.55 | Industrial | so its wow's 6th anniversary |
| 00:17.59 | Industrial | WHERES MY PET |
| 00:18.00 | Dagmar | NO PET FOR YOU |
| 00:18.12 | Industrial | :( |
| 00:18.21 | Dagmar | Go out to EPL and get a Mr. Grubbs |
| 00:18.24 | syrae | Blizz said no pets until 10th anniversary |
| 00:18.29 | Dagmar | Rare or not, they're practically falling from the skies |
| 00:18.42 | Dagmar | You start at Fiona's caravan and just pick the luck charm |
| 00:19.58 | syrae | There's 3 new ones. Mr. Grubbs, The Singing PvZ Flower, and Withers the treant |
| 00:20.52 | durcyn | speaking of the pvz bit, is there any truth to the rumor that popcap lobbied blizzard to remove endless mode? |
| 00:21.05 | Wobin | haha |
| 00:21.11 | Wobin | probably cause they want you to buy PvZ |
| 00:21.15 | Wobin | not play it endlessly on WoW |
| 00:21.38 | durcyn | well, the wow version is a bit shite to say the least, i just wanted the achievements =P |
| 00:22.06 | Yssaril | i wondered where the endless mode wnt |
| 00:22.16 | Nobgul | In cata it will be a daily i herd |
| 00:22.30 | Dagmar | I'm sure Blizzard would like it if you actually got out there and killed something |
| 00:24.41 | Jerub | i haven't played pvz in wow yet |
| 00:24.45 | Jerub | or anywhere yet. |
| 00:24.58 | kd3|netbook | it's in hillsbrad. go check it out? |
| 00:25.22 | Jerub | i didn't see it in hillsbrad, and i got the achievement for all the quests in the area... |
| 00:25.37 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVEBJ6EL2qk&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:25.53 | Wobin | Jerub: it's right next to the crater |
| 00:26.11 | Wobin | you can't miss it |
| 00:26.56 | Jerub | well, clearly i did :P |
| 00:27.08 | Wobin | more fool you =P |
| 00:27.09 | Jerub | speaking of which. hillsbrad has the best quest chains i've ever done in wow |
| 00:28.11 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowpedia.org/Category:Zone_storylines |
| 00:28.19 | kd3|netbook | more of those are getting written when I have the time |
| 00:28.40 | kd3|netbook | I'm still partial to redridge |
| 00:28.42 | Lunessa | Welcome to the machine. |
| 00:28.51 | syrae | kd3|netbook: that's an awesome idea |
| 00:28.57 | Jerub | Lunessa: Yes. That. |
| 00:29.10 | Jerub | but the followons to the welcome to the machine quest is awesome too. |
| 00:29.37 | Wobin | Can You Smell What the Lok'tar is Cooking? |
| 00:30.01 | Dagmar | Strike the Earth! |
| 00:30.10 | Jerub | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Do_the_Right_Thing |
| 00:30.15 | Jerub | i'm keeping the shovel in my bank |
| 00:30.55 | Yssaril | so anyone know what in this 130mb patch? |
| 00:31.08 | Dagmar | Bad YouTube fansubs of the Cata trailer |
| 00:31.11 | Aurorus | raw prawns |
| 00:31.17 | Lunessa | Jerub: It seems that there are two ways to do the quest - but when I did it, I just whacked the seedlings and felt bad. |
| 00:31.38 | Jerub | Lunessa: i did half and half. |
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| 00:32.25 | Lunessa | Honestly, the new Forsaken story lines have me convinced that no matter what face they show the Horde, they are irredeemable. |
| 00:32.25 | kd3|netbook | there are a few quests I've run across where players are presented that option |
| 00:32.35 | Wobin | Lunessa: agreed |
| 00:32.40 | kd3|netbook | it's a nice change from the non-optional torture quest in BT |
| 00:32.43 | Jerub | what stunned me was the new red exclamation marks. |
| 00:32.52 | Wobin | Jerub: red ones? |
| 00:33.08 | Dagmar | Hey, some of us _liked_ the torture quests |
| 00:33.09 | Jerub | Wobin: you've not seen them yet? |
| 00:33.11 | Lunessa | Mobs which lead to a new quest have red exclamation marks on them. |
| 00:33.15 | kd3|netbook | mobs you're not directed to kill but they're involved with a quest |
| 00:33.22 | Wobin | breadcrumb ones? |
| 00:33.37 | Jerub | Wobin: if you kill a mob with a red exclamation, you get a quest offer. |
| 00:33.47 | Wobin | oh hm, no I've not noticed that |
| 00:33.47 | kd3|netbook | hey, the DK torture quest was fine. I disagreed with the BT one |
| 00:33.58 | Jerub | and if it's kill 10 of that kind of mob (it probably wil be) then accepting it puts you on 1/10 not 0/10 ;) |
| 00:34.09 | Lunessa | I had to kill 4-5 slimes in southshore before I was offered the quest, but that is how it is supposed to work. |
| 00:34.21 | Dagmar | kd3: Problem is, it's relatively tame torture |
| 00:34.32 | Jerub | there's two i know of in hillsbrad |
| 00:34.32 | Dagmar | It's not like you're being handed a towel and a bucket of water |
| 00:34.46 | kd3|netbook | would you submit to it? |
| 00:34.49 | Dagmar | What's with this new Quest Icon unit frame thingie |
| 00:35.25 | Dagmar | Googling it, rather predictably, turns up a lot of useless. |
| 00:35.59 | Dagmar | 'zat something that shows up on the mob's unit frame for a red ! mark? |
| 00:36.00 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_4.0.3a_%28undocumented_changes%29#User_Interface |
| 00:36.01 | kd3|netbook | that one? |
| 00:36.02 | Kraps | amazon has more cata CEs in stock |
| 00:36.37 | Jerub | Dagmar: um, mobs that are the 0/1 kill bossdude-at-the-back-of-the-area-of-mobs always have that on them. |
| 00:36.48 | Jerub | and they appear on the minimap as a skull if you're on the quest |
| 00:36.54 | Jerub | (but you always see the indicator on the unit frame) |
| 00:36.57 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah probably the one in the picture, I just know I've never seen it before now and wasn't spotting it in the game yet |
| 00:37.15 | Dagmar | It showed up on all my frames in Pitbull, which didn't give me much to go on |
| 00:38.30 | Dagmar | Oh puh-lease! "Aggroing the final boss of BRD no longer aggros the entire room's trash mobs." |
| 00:38.35 | Dagmar | That's no fun. |
| 00:38.42 | durcyn | welcome to the future. |
| 00:38.50 | kd3|netbook | oh, from another channel: "Just a note: They're pushing 13329 to all users again due to some users not getting the full thing last week (they'd originally pushed a 20mb file, and then added a 120mb part), so some users only had part of the patch, and the game engine wasn't picking up on that and streaming it in." |
| 00:38.59 | Dagmar | That actually makes it challenging at 80, to kill all those people at once and not kill the princess |
| 00:39.10 | Jerub | i want to know why whenever i fly into brill i get data being downloaded. |
| 00:39.17 | Kraps | kd3|netbook: thanks, was wondering about that |
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| 00:39.30 | Jerub | Dagmar: i can see why they did it though. |
| 00:39.31 | kd3|netbook | it's crap getting moved from the -update mpq to the -cache mpqs |
| 00:39.39 | kd3|netbook | s/moved/copied/ |
| 00:39.43 | Jerub | because it's at the back of a very very large instance, and the first time nubs go there, they'll die. |
| 00:40.20 | Kraps | anyone have Recettear? |
| 00:40.52 | Dagmar | When do we _not_ typically clear the trash around a boss mob before attacking? |
| 00:41.20 | Dagmar | Next thing you'll be telling me that attacing the final bosses in Scarlet Monastery doesn't pull the rest of the chapel |
| 00:41.44 | kd3|netbook | dunno. anyway. DB class done. off to us history |
| 00:41.46 | Jerub | Dagmar: but it doesn't take 10 minutes to turn from one end of SM to the other. |
| 00:42.20 | Dagmar | Jerub: They have mole machines all over the place in BRD now |
| 00:42.21 | syrae | oh.. OH |
| 00:42.24 | syrae | I KNOW |
| 00:42.42 | syrae | I figured out what I can roll on that realm that Grounding Totem is on |
| 00:42.44 | Jerub | Dagmar: really!? |
| 00:43.01 | Jerub | syrae: what's Grounding Totem ? |
| 00:43.03 | durcyn | BRD's been fully casualized |
| 00:43.08 | Jerub | durcyn: yaaaaay |
| 00:43.11 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yep. there's one in the Dormitory, one just past the Grim Guzzler, and a few others spaced about |
| 00:43.13 | Jerub | finally. |
| 00:43.15 | syrae | Jerub:ot |
| 00:43.22 | syrae | it's a guild/Shaman Spell |
| 00:43.43 | Dagmar | If you wipe, you can go into the instance and the "abandoned mole machine" that's right next to the door (closer than the one that appears for Brewfest) will take you to yer last marked point |
| 00:43.51 | Dagmar | ...or just about anywhere before there actually |
| 00:43.55 | Kraps | i feel like making a dwarf shaman named Thunderpants |
| 00:44.09 | Jerub | i know it's a shaman spell. |
| 00:44.19 | syrae | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=25932 |
| 00:44.20 | durcyn | Kraps: in the british or american definition? |
| 00:44.57 | Jerub | durcyn: well, if you take it as a portamaneu of Thunder and Underpants. then .. both. |
| 00:45.10 | syrae | what's the British definition of thunderpants? |
| 00:45.11 | Kraps | whats the british definition? |
| 00:45.31 | Jerub | but if you're thinking 'Thunder' and 'Pants' then there are two different definitions of Pants. |
| 00:45.34 | Dagmar | Probably has more underemployed vowels in it |
| 00:45.37 | syrae | because the one I'm thinking of indicated flatulence |
| 00:45.45 | Lunessa | Jerub: Grounding Totem (and Tremor Totem) are guilds I run on US Kirin Tor |
| 00:46.03 | Kraps | ah, i didnt think of that split Jerub |
| 00:46.18 | Kraps | Tremor Totem? |
| 00:46.27 | Lunessa | I made a place to put hordies. :) |
| 00:46.28 | airtonix | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/ |
| 00:46.30 | syrae | it's a guild/Shaman Spell |
| 00:46.33 | syrae | :D |
| 00:46.44 | airtonix | if i bought my phone without a carrier plan do i get updates ? |
| 00:46.47 | Jerub | Lunessa: what are your raiding times? |
| 00:46.48 | Lunessa | It's a dessert topping AND a floor-wax! |
| 00:46.54 | Kraps | we need Sentry Totem |
| 00:47.12 | Jerub | ;) |
| 00:47.27 | Lunessa | Jerub: Tentatively Tues, Wed, Thurs 8pm-11pm GMT-6 (US Central Time) |
| 00:48.04 | Kraps | i love SWs shiny floor |
| 00:48.05 | Lunessa | I expect we'll fiddle with them a bit to suit everyone. |
| 00:48.25 | Jerub | Lunessa: what's the timezone there? |
| 00:48.31 | Jerub | i mean, what's a city in the timezone |
| 00:48.35 | Jerub | (sorry, makes it easier |
| 00:48.46 | Dagmar | Shiiiny cobblestones |
| 00:48.50 | Lunessa | The server is use Central. You'll find it listed as Chicago or something. |
| 00:49.16 | Jerub | google doen't like timezone names unless you're geographically close to them. city names always work. :P |
| 00:49.53 | Jerub | .. except chicago. sigh. |
| 00:49.59 | syrae | hah |
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| 00:50.03 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Time_Zone_(North_America) |
| 00:50.29 | Jerub | Lunessa: i've realised that a raiding time that suits me to a T is US friday and saturday evenings. |
| 00:51.02 | Lunessa | Jerub: They were ideal for me too, but I could never get anyone to raid those times. Apparently, that's "Booze and Sex" times. |
| 00:51.26 | Jerub | Lunessa: if you play on oceanic realms then that's 11am here. |
| 00:51.35 | Lunessa | So I had to juggle my booze and sex times out of the week days and into the weekends. |
| 00:51.47 | Jerub | we have a guild with some americans in it. we raid 11am-3pm sundays |
| 00:52.01 | Jerub | which was 7pm-10pm for our americans. |
| 00:52.06 | Dagmar | Lunessa: s/out of// <-- better |
| 00:52.13 | Dagmar | Gotta have your priorities straight |
| 00:52.47 | Jerub | i'm going to have to move my main to that guild i think :/ |
| 00:52.49 | Lunessa | Hey, I was the one getting hammered and looking to score 5 days a week instead of 2. I think I know my priorities were straight. |
| 00:53.21 | Dagmar | A good boy scout is _always_ prepared |
| 00:53.26 | Dagmar | :) |
| 00:53.53 | Lunessa | Tom Leher has a great song about that very thing. |
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| 00:54.59 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm going to go get some dinner. |
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| 00:55.54 | Jerub | i hope Lunessa is 'prepared' for that 'dinner' |
| 00:56.16 | syrae | Jerub: you're forcing it |
| 00:56.30 | Jerub | syrae: no, 'you're' 'forcing' 'it' |
| 00:56.51 | syrae | syntax error... unescaped quote |
| 00:57.10 | Kraps | what |
| 00:57.11 | Jerub | syrae: that's just because you can't tell the difference between a single quote and an apostraphe. |
| 00:57.18 | syrae | :P |
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| 00:59.01 | syrae | mmm... need to do BWL. Need to get Chromaggus enslaved to my very whim |
| 01:01.04 | Jerub | and what a whim it is. |
| 01:02.56 | syrae | two heads are better than one! |
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| 01:11.57 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNStNUizxhE&feature=sub |
| 01:13.35 | Mr_Rabies | man, the scroll speed on some of these new lists like glyph and trainer frames is way too slow, i don't suppose that's a cvar or something controllable by an addon, is it? |
| 01:15.25 | Adys | !api guid |
| 01:15.26 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'guid': UnitGUID, GetPlayerInfoByGUID |
| 01:15.34 | Adys | !api GetPlayerInfoByGUID |
| 01:15.35 | lua_bot | GetPlayerInfoByGUID: Returns information about a player character identified by globally unique identifier (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerInfoByGUID) |
| 01:15.42 | Adys | Maldivia: ^ |
| 01:16.19 | Adys | although that seems odd, this function returns instantly |
| 01:16.33 | Adys | wtf it doesnt return the name |
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| 01:17.15 | Kraps | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/sna.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~topic=monitor_deals |
| 01:17.19 | Adys | hi Tuller_ |
| 01:17.42 | Kraps | they all look the same! |
| 01:17.55 | airtonix | Kraps, most rebel scum do |
| 01:18.26 | Kraps | who are you calling rebel scum? |
| 01:21.00 | rosco762 | Anyone know of a good compiler? |
| 01:21.12 | Adys | gcc |
| 01:21.37 | kd3|netbook | better question: what are you trying to compile? |
| 01:21.38 | nebula169 | Adys: that's just used by blizzard for chat stuff, yea? they don't need the name because its one of the arguments ! :p |
| 01:21.57 | Adys | nebula169: ugh |
| 01:22.24 | Adys | Tuller_: i gave up and ended up updating to bagnon 2. I like it but i really hate the new search syntax :( |
| 01:22.57 | rosco762 | I need the pastey address |
| 01:23.10 | kd3|netbook | type /topic |
| 01:28.20 | Cairenn | okay, anyone know of a mod that shuts up the hunter cat pets? |
| 01:31.24 | airtonix | didn't tekub make something? |
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| 01:45.13 | Lunessa | You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away! |
| 01:47.08 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 01:47.13 | LebQzz | anyone can verify this for me |
| 01:47.27 | LebQzz | if you take a square thats 100x100px |
| 01:47.38 | LebQzz | and rotate it 15degrees. whats the new w and height |
| 01:48.36 | Nobgul | trying to make a 3d square? |
| 01:48.51 | LebQzz | nop the rotation of textures to compensate for w and h |
| 01:51.22 | Nobgul | at 45 its 143x143 |
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| 01:52.36 | LebQzz | what at 15 |
| 01:52.50 | LebQzz | is it 122 or 125,88 |
| 01:54.29 | Nobgul | i dunno |
| 01:54.41 | Arrowmaster | its still 100x100, the pixels are just rotated |
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| 01:55.06 | LebQzz | god please dont start that trolling |
| 01:55.37 | LebQzz | ofc its still 100.. but the area is different because wowlua is handling size even though i dont need it |
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| 01:56.57 | Nobgul | sorry couldn't help =/ |
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| 01:57.09 | Nobgul | I forgot to train my math skill when i was in school |
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| 01:58.07 | Arrowmaster | oh i just noticed steam has 8 copies of Trine for the price of one, if anybody buys the 8pack i will gladly accept a gifted copy |
| 01:58.49 | Cide | me too |
| 01:59.05 | Cide | let me know if you have free copies |
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| 02:00.29 | Nobgul | w = (wr * c - hr * s) / (c2 - s2) |
| 02:00.29 | Nobgul | h = (hr * c - wr * s) / (c2 - s2) |
| 02:00.32 | Nobgul | LebQzz^^ |
| 02:00.42 | Arrowmaster | also willing to paypal $2.50 for a gifted copy of it |
| 02:01.14 | LebQzz | r c and s = what |
| 02:02.35 | Nobgul | wr = abs(sin(r)) * h + abs(cos(r)) * w |
| 02:02.36 | Nobgul | hr = abs(sin(r)) * w + abs(cos(r)) * h |
| 02:06.00 | LebQzz | nobgul trying to figure it out ;P |
| 02:06.32 | Lunessa | I suppose someone would really have to love that game to buy 8 copies. |
| 02:09.59 | |Jelly| | 8 costs the same as 1 |
| 02:10.39 | Nobgul | Ill take a copy from someone just to get away from playing wow =P |
| 02:21.01 | LebQzz | nobgul lol i think i got it... let me check something ;P |
| 02:21.21 | Nobgul | kk |
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| 02:23.28 | LebQzz | hmm anyone know cos sinus in lua? |
| 02:24.01 | Nobgul | math.sin |
| 02:24.03 | Lunessa | syrae: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/29/funny-pictures-owl-doctor-hoo/ |
| 02:24.44 | Nobgul | math.cos |
| 02:25.10 | Nobgul | lua > math.cos(math.pi / 4) |
| 02:25.17 | Nobgul | lua math.cos(math.pi / 4) |
| 02:25.22 | Nobgul | 0_o damn bot lol |
| 02:25.39 | MentalPower | lua> math.cos(math.pi / 4) |
| 02:25.39 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 0.70710678118655 |
| 02:25.49 | Nobgul | there it is =P ty MentalPower |
| 02:25.57 | MentalPower | :) |
| 02:26.42 | Adys | "Shawn Spencer is now following you on Twitter!" |
| 02:26.48 | LebQzz | nice |
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| 02:30.48 | LebQzz | fuck hate when thers soething wrong lol |
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| 02:35.25 | LebQzz | why is math in radians dammit lol |
| 02:35.28 | LebQzz | i need in degrees |
| 02:36.23 | Nobgul | can i help u |
| 02:36.29 | Nobgul | what is the number in radians |
| 02:36.48 | LebQzz | i have 15 degrees |
| 02:36.51 | Xyphoid | radians are awesome |
| 02:36.58 | LebQzz | dont say i have to put a converter on the whole thing lol |
| 02:36.58 | Nobgul | lua> math.rad(180) |
| 02:36.58 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 3.1415926535898 |
| 02:37.03 | Nobgul | ^^ |
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| 02:37.07 | Nobgul | rad to deg |
| 02:37.08 | Nobgul | =) |
| 02:37.11 | LebQzz | i know |
| 02:37.22 | Nobgul | oh now i feel useless lol |
| 02:38.30 | LebQzz | but the whole thing with it using rad as standard no way to define deg. other than setting it up as a convert ;P |
| 02:39.30 | LebQzz | actually these calculations seem to work up untill 45 degrees atleast and then its 162 |
| 02:40.57 | LebQzz | photoshop was correct at 15 lol but 45 it says 142ish, |
| 02:42.00 | Nobgul | LebQzz, i got 143 myself at 45 |
| 02:42.26 | LebQzz | what with 15? |
| 02:42.35 | LebQzz | calculate that one |
| 02:42.44 | Nobgul | ~fail |
| 02:42.44 | purl | FAIL. |
| 02:42.54 | Nobgul | =/ |
| 02:43.27 | Nobgul | LebQzz, just use your image program rotate and check the overall size |
| 02:43.34 | LebQzz | i am |
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| 02:43.46 | LebQzz | but i want math formula so i can have a automated rotating process |
| 02:44.02 | LebQzz | since textures are bound to the size of the dam frame lol |
| 02:45.13 | Nobgul | i know =P |
| 02:45.39 | LebQzz | hmm this logic seems wierd. i get numbers all from 122-6000+ |
| 02:45.41 | LebQzz | lol |
| 02:45.42 | Mirrormn | by the way |
| 02:45.57 | Mirrormn | in wow, math.cos() works with radians and simply cos() works with degrees |
| 02:46.14 | Cide | and always use radians |
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| 02:46.43 | Kraps | more hotfixes http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/136974/patch-403a-hotfixes |
| 02:47.16 | Mirrormn | Characters that have Illustrious Grand Master Engineering are now able to use the Gnomish Army Knife without errors. |
| 02:47.25 | Mirrormn | does that mean it will always succeed in resing? |
| 02:47.35 | LebQzz | lol |
| 02:47.36 | LebQzz | nice |
| 02:47.44 | Lunessa | ahhhh, facebook - http://failbook.failblog.org/2010/11/25/funny-facebook-fails-tsa-for-vd/ |
| 02:48.02 | Kraps | # Cataclysm leather can no longer be skinned from low-level NPCs. |
| 02:48.03 | Kraps | # Azure Watch flight master Zaldaan has been reminded that he should hate the Horde. |
| 02:48.47 | LebQzz | hah |
| 02:48.54 | Mirrormn | yknow, the backscatter images are absolutely terrible looking |
| 02:49.09 | Mirrormn | they're not even close to a "nude photograph" |
| 02:49.23 | LebQzz | they still didnt fix the dam druid error |
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| 02:50.03 | LebQzz | in boomkin form you cant mount up it says not able to in shapeshift |
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| 02:51.38 | Mirrormn | there are some unusually clear ones that people use to get everyone upset but the actual scanner images look considerably less clear even than those |
| 02:52.09 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 02:52.50 | LebQzz | can we agree on it that a split square makes a new hypotenuse of 141 if the sides are 100 |
| 02:53.20 | LebQzz | Nobgul |
| 02:53.22 | LebQzz | it is 141 |
| 02:53.50 | Mirrormn | it's 100 * root(2) |
| 02:53.59 | Mirrormn | not exactly 141 |
| 02:54.31 | LebQzz | 141.42135623731 |
| 02:54.53 | LebQzz | lua> print((100/math.cos(math.rad(45)))) |
| 02:54.54 | lua_bot | LebQzz: 141.42135623731 |
| 02:55.08 | Nobgul | i call hax |
| 02:55.09 | Nobgul | =P |
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| 03:01.12 | LebQzz | Mirrormn you know a math way to calculate the size of the frame to fit a rotated texture? |
| 03:01.27 | Mirrormn | sure |
| 03:02.19 | Mirrormn | you mean you want the frame's dimension to be expanded so the rotated texture is the same size as it would have been if it was not rotated? |
| 03:02.26 | LebQzz | yes |
| 03:02.36 | LebQzz | thats the math shit I'm working on right now |
| 03:03.00 | Mirrormn | are you using SetRotation? |
| 03:03.10 | LebQzz | not yet. but going to |
| 03:04.05 | Mirrormn | well I don't exactly know by what factor SetRotation zooms in your texture in order to make it rotatable |
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| 03:04.49 | LebQzz | well it makes the texture fit inside the boundaries of the frame doesnt it? |
| 03:05.43 | Mirrormn | it reduces the releative size of the texture to the point where the edges of the texture would never go outside the boundaries of the frame |
| 03:05.56 | LebQzz | i suspected that |
| 03:05.58 | Mirrormn | even if it were rotated 45 degreees |
| 03:06.12 | LebQzz | so i need to resize the frame to get the illusion of the texture rotating and not resizing |
| 03:07.40 | Mirrormn | well you just need to scale your frame by a factor of root(2) |
| 03:07.59 | LebQzz | factor of root 2 to what |
| 03:08.15 | Mirrormn | assuming that setrotation reduces the size of the texture by the minimum necessary amount, which is likely |
| 03:08.20 | Mirrormn | sqrt(2) |
| 03:08.23 | Mirrormn | I mean |
| 03:09.13 | LebQzz | so what at 15degrees |
| 03:09.25 | LebQzz | where w and h = 100 |
| 03:09.36 | Mirrormn | it's the same reduction factor no matter what the rotation |
| 03:09.57 | Mirrormn | if you used SetRotation(0) on a texture, its size would be reduced by a factor of swrt(2) |
| 03:10.03 | Mirrormn | *sqrt(2) |
| 03:10.04 | LebQzz | that easy? |
| 03:10.10 | Mirrormn | even though it wouldn't be rotated at all |
| 03:10.25 | LebQzz | i thought it scaled the tex no matter what.. so at 15 degrees it will be 121 in width to get it to fit |
| 03:10.29 | Mirrormn | yeah, the rotation doesn't dynamically resize based on angle |
| 03:10.38 | LebQzz | oh fucking thank lua programmers ;P |
| 03:10.49 | LebQzz | thats what i've been working on |
| 03:12.16 | Mirrormn | that would be a rather interesting problem if it was angle-dependent resizing |
| 03:12.24 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 03:12.34 | LebQzz | i actually think it should be |
| 03:12.41 | LebQzz | becuase of the problems ;P |
| 03:12.45 | LebQzz | something for me to work on ;) |
| 03:16.17 | Mirrormn | I worked it out for a generalized case |
| 03:16.34 | Mirrormn | you would need to expand your frame by a factor of sin(theta) + cos(theta) |
| 03:16.52 | Mirrormn | rather elegant, really |
| 03:16.56 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 03:16.57 | LebQzz | no shit |
| 03:17.06 | LebQzz | you dont want to see y mess that doesnt work ;) |
| 03:17.47 | Mirrormn | well, I drew a picture of a rotated square inside the "frame" square |
| 03:18.24 | Mirrormn | then focused in on one of the triangles formed between the edges of the inner and outer squares |
| 03:18.50 | Mirrormn | labeled the inner square's full edge as h, and the other two edges of the triangle as x and y |
| 03:19.15 | Mirrormn | the key is to realize that x + y = the length of a full edge of the outer square |
| 03:19.21 | Mirrormn | due to the symmetry of the arrangemtn |
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| 03:20.09 | Mirrormn | so x + y = 1, but x = h * cos(theta) and y = h * sin(theta) due to the simple trigonometry of a right triangle |
| 03:20.30 | Mirrormn | so h * (cos(theta) + sin(theta)) = 1 |
| 03:21.01 | Mirrormn | thus (cos(theta) + sin(theta)) is the factor by which you must multiply h to obtain 1 |
| 03:21.23 | Mirrormn | nice little trig problem |
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| 03:23.13 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 03:23.20 | LebQzz | nice thinking |
| 03:23.27 | LebQzz | been a while since i used trig ;P |
| 03:24.45 | Mirrormn | it comes in handy if you ever need to rotate a texture in a wow addon ^______^ |
| 03:24.54 | LebQzz | not really ;P |
| 03:24.59 | LebQzz | it scales it fully remember ;P |
| 03:25.16 | Mirrormn | well, that's solved by trigonometry, too |
| 03:25.22 | Wobin | I just use the animation to rotate it =P |
| 03:25.35 | Shirik | um |
| 03:25.35 | Mirrormn | you're a lazy good-for-nothing, Wobin |
| 03:25.37 | Wobin | actually I tell a lie |
| 03:25.40 | LebQzz | are there a good place to see animation examples |
| 03:25.43 | Wobin | I just get someone on here to do the trig for me |
| 03:25.51 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 03:26.12 | Mirrormn | just find some naive asshole on IRC to do your work for you |
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| 03:29.35 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 03:30.06 | LebQzz | what type of animations do wow support? |
| 03:31.56 | Kraps | http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/6351fa9c-5426-4c41-ba28-f78c084eff6f.jpg |
| 03:36.51 | Mirrormn | translate, rotate, scale, and alpha |
| 03:37.07 | LebQzz | so no file types? |
| 03:37.11 | LebQzz | like gif, or flv |
| 03:37.20 | Wobin | nope |
| 03:37.23 | LebQzz | darn |
| 03:37.27 | Mirrormn | that's not even the same connotation of the word animation |
| 03:37.29 | LebQzz | not gonna be easy then ;) |
| 03:37.34 | Wobin | you might be able to hack something with the video player |
| 03:37.42 | Wobin | but yeah, what Mirrormn said |
| 03:37.43 | Mirrormn | I've tried to use the video player |
| 03:38.00 | LebQzz | animation = the illution of something moving when showing frames fast wnough |
| 03:38.02 | Mirrormn | I can't find any way to get it to play a video in any mode other than full screen |
| 03:38.11 | Wobin | Mirrormn: I've only seen it work once, effectively, and that was with HighRoller =) |
| 03:38.25 | Mirrormn | HighRoller doesn't work very well at all anymore, though |
| 03:38.37 | Mirrormn | it plays in full screen too ^_^ |
| 03:39.03 | Wobin | that's just fine! |
| 03:39.36 | Mirrormn | it also screws up the aspect ratio of your screen |
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| 03:39.53 | Mirrormn | and displays UI artifacts overlayed on the video |
| 03:40.05 | Mirrormn | and iirc there's no way to cancel to movie |
| 03:40.13 | Mirrormn | NOT VERY FINE |
| 03:40.46 | Mirrormn | you could define an animation as a series of textures and then play them in succession ^_^ |
| 03:41.00 | Mirrormn | extremely memory inefficient, but it looks fine on screen |
| 03:41.08 | Wobin | haha, it's hardly a proper rickroll if you can cancel out of it! |
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| 03:42.49 | Mirrormn | what's really sad is that the rickroll video got taken down due to a DMCA violation =/ |
| 03:42.53 | Mirrormn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 03:42.55 | A-KO | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1985162/EMRIL%20METH.mp3 |
| 03:43.23 | Lunessa | Never gonna give you up... ! |
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| 03:55.00 | Thunder_Child | wow, Lil' Ragnaros is actually useful |
| 03:55.15 | LebQzz | ? |
| 03:55.20 | LebQzz | in gundrak? |
| 03:55.22 | Thunder_Child | "Lil' Ragnaros, just like his full-scale namesake, burns with constant fury (not to mention flames that serve as a handy cooking fire)" |
| 03:55.26 | Thunder_Child | the ncp |
| 03:55.33 | LebQzz | lol |
| 03:55.39 | LebQzz | eternal cooking fire lol |
| 03:55.41 | LebQzz | abising |
| 03:55.44 | LebQzz | abusing* |
| 03:55.59 | Thunder_Child | i dont think it gives the stam, just the ability to cook |
| 03:57.07 | Jamash | wait are you serious? |
| 03:57.12 | Jamash | that's *awesome* |
| 03:58.50 | Thunder_Child | well thats a c/p from the blue post, but i dont know how realistic it is |
| 04:02.00 | Wobin | http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001331 |
| 04:02.10 | Wobin | "Get your guildmates fired up with Lil' Ragnaros, the mini-elemental lord. Not only can he serve as a cooking fire, but he'll also sporadically ignite nearby critters that wander too close to his burning form" |
| 04:02.26 | LebQzz | hmm so in gundrak he can take the snakes |
| 04:03.27 | rosco762 | Crap! |
| 04:03.41 | rosco762 | Hey does the moonkind pet do anything? |
| 04:03.55 | LebQzz | i was hoping it would zap the critters ;P |
| 04:04.09 | Motig | it complains about how it can't mount in Moonkin Form |
| 04:04.13 | Motig | :p |
| 04:04.28 | Wobin | "this adorable hatchling occasionally plants flowers at your feet and gladly /dances with any willing partners. " |
| 04:04.46 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 04:04.50 | Wobin | although: " It is not possible to receive the Horde version of the Moonkin Hatching on an Alliance character or vice versa." |
| 04:04.52 | Wobin | boooooo |
| 04:04.56 | Wobin | booooo! |
| 04:04.59 | LebQzz | motig i know.. dam annoying |
| 04:05.03 | Wobin | the horde one is so CUTE |
| 04:05.11 | LebQzz | hehe change to horde then ;P |
| 04:06.15 | LebQzz | anyone got a boomkin that cna test my eclipse addon for me? |
| 04:13.12 | LebQzz | anyone? |
| 04:14.20 | Hjalte | LebQzz: If it's any good, sure. |
| 04:14.31 | LebQzz | just need to see if you like it and if it works ;P |
| 04:14.33 | LebQzz | http://static.curseforge.net/content/files/483/624/PP_ecl.zip |
| 04:15.01 | Iriel | Heh, this signpost in desolace says "New awesome cenarion hub!" |
| 04:15.07 | LebQzz | hah |
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| 04:18.10 | Hjalte | LebQzz: What do you need me to do? I've got your addon installed. |
| 04:18.19 | LebQzz | boomkin mode and test it ;P |
| 04:18.28 | LebQzz | getz some eclipse going |
| 04:21.05 | Hjalte | I don't see anything on my screen with all addons enabled. |
| 04:21.09 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 04:21.15 | LebQzz | let me retest it |
| 04:21.31 | Hjalte | Do I need to see the normal eclipse bar or normal unit frames? |
| 04:21.48 | LebQzz | its a sun/moon in the middle of the screen |
| 04:22.27 | LebQzz | i copyied it out of my addon pack, so gimme a sec to test if it actually works ;P |
| 04:22.35 | LebQzz | works here |
| 04:22.50 | LebQzz | you a boomkin? |
| 04:23.11 | Hjalte | Yes, balance druid in moonkin form |
| 04:23.16 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 04:23.18 | LebQzz | i get it here |
| 04:23.21 | Jerub | yay, he started publishing his findings. |
| 04:23.21 | Jerub | https://gettys.wordpress.com/ |
| 04:23.29 | Hjalte | I only see the usual blizzard spell alert sun and moon |
| 04:23.31 | Jerub | (to do with internet-wide tcp latency issues) |
| 04:24.32 | LebQzz | hjalte 2 sec |
| 04:25.06 | LebQzz | you got a localized client? |
| 04:25.52 | LebQzz | http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2679/wowscrnshot113010052434.jpg |
| 04:25.55 | LebQzz | see the moon in the middle? |
| 04:25.56 | Hjalte | LebQzz: No, just standard european one. |
| 04:26.50 | Lunessa | g'night all. |
| 04:27.00 | LebQzz | you dont have the same in the middle? |
| 04:27.05 | Hjalte | LebQzz: No moon here. |
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| 04:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://imgur.com/05eur |
| 04:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | actually, just because I want to get the required picture response |
| 04:28.56 | LebQzz | nice snow ;P |
| 04:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: http://imgur.com/05eur |
| 04:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that happened overnight |
| 04:29.12 | Cairenn | blech |
| 04:29.33 | LebQzz | Hjalte hmmz if you type --> print(MOONKIN_FORM) what do you get? |
| 04:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: want any snow? I've got some extra! |
| 04:30.25 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:30.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, don't say that I didn't offer |
| 04:30.48 | Cairenn | duly noted, you offered, I declined |
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| 04:43.22 | haste | -15C outside today :( |
| 04:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I will admit that you win (well, lose) with respect to temperature |
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| 04:45.35 | haste | http://fil.nrk.no/yr/grafikk/klima/aar/aar_003290_eng.png winter is coming early :( |
| 04:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | But it really sucks driving 21 miles one way with 4" of slush on all of the major highways |
| 04:49.27 | haste | mmm.. slush~ |
| 04:51.32 | kd3 | oh, I'm so glad I live in the south |
| 04:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno, it is nice at times to have actual seasons |
| 04:52.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Others... like that picture... |
| 04:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Not so much |
| 04:52.02 | kd3 | it felt like it was sleeting but I had no trouble driving 30 miles home from school |
| 04:52.07 | kd3 | screw seasons. winter sucks |
| 04:54.15 | kd3 | also, lmao: http://www.threepanelsoul.com/ |
| 04:54.51 | haste | I was wondering the same ^ |
| 04:55.02 | haste | how many years have passed since deathwing ravaged? |
| 04:55.11 | haste | 'cause there are some damn large trees here and there |
| 04:59.39 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 04:59.39 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 05:08.39 | LebQzz | hmm anyone got an idea for an awesome corona for wclipse? |
| 05:08.41 | LebQzz | eclipse |
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| 05:14.06 | Wobin | have the entire screen go black |
| 05:15.00 | Shirik | ij |
| 05:15.02 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:15.17 | Shirik | who at blizzard thought it was a good idea to make it so that you can't have the enchant window and your character sheet open at the same time? |
| 05:15.33 | batrick | i did |
| 05:15.40 | LebQzz | shirick its the size |
| 05:15.44 | batrick | i haven't had that problem shirik |
| 05:15.48 | batrick | learn to UI scale n00b |
| 05:16.03 | LebQzz | its like it has a MAX border |
| 05:16.06 | LebQzz | dam annoying |
| 05:16.14 | Shirik | some of us don't have a very big screen |
| 05:16.18 | Wobin | Shirik: I can |
| 05:16.20 | Shirik | is it that hard to use the full width ofi t? |
| 05:16.27 | batrick | YOUUUUU EYEEEEE SCALE |
| 05:17.25 | Shirik | (00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big screen(00:16:12) (@Shirik) some of us don't have a very big scr |
| 05:17.47 | batrick | spammer |
| 05:17.53 | batrick | Cairenn: ^ pls take care of this kid |
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| 05:21.31 | LebQzz | there should be a /reload counter lol |
| 05:21.32 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Happy Birthday Esamynn! |
| 05:22.01 | LebQzz | will it say Happy Bday to me on the 25th? |
| 05:24.02 | Kraps | for being an adaptation of a weird book, the movie Holes is really really good |
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| 05:35.21 | Shirik | batrick |
| 05:35.22 | Shirik | not cool |
| 05:35.25 | Shirik | Esamynn, happy birthday |
| 05:35.35 | Esamynn | thanks |
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| 06:06.34 | bluspacecow | anyone still got beta installed? can you do a complete file listing of the data folder in your Beta folder and upload it somewhere for me (like pastebin) |
| 06:14.21 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143414 |
| 06:15.38 | bluspacecow | no files with "oldworld" in the name anywhere in there ? |
| 06:15.45 | Adys | Anyone familiar with tooltip scanning feels like helping me improve this? https://github.com/Adys/findit/blob/master/FindIt/LibWeagleTooltip.lua |
| 06:15.53 | Adys | i need to clean it up |
| 06:15.57 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 06:16.08 | bluspacecow | it must randomly output to general chat "Adys is awesome" |
| 06:16.19 | Adys | it already does that |
| 06:16.54 | bluspacecow | chillwind camp finally has an inn and mailbox \o/ |
| 06:17.07 | Mirrormn | it should scan all other addons' savedvariables for text that looks like it might be loaded as a function |
| 06:17.25 | Mirrormn | and then inject code into that text that randomly outputs to general chat "Adys is awesome" |
| 06:17.47 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:17.50 | Shirik | that is a brilliant idea |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | the first WoW virus |
| 06:17.59 | Mirrormn | cause you wouldn't want someone to be able to deny your awesomeness simply by disabling your addon |
| 06:18.09 | Adys | Thunder_Child: http://paste2.org/p/1117640 |
| 06:18.11 | bluspacecow | >_< |
| 06:18.13 | Shirik | I wonder if there's any addons that suffer from security vulnerabilities |
| 06:18.16 | bluspacecow | god damn it guys i was eating |
| 06:18.26 | bluspacecow | managed to spray my breakfast all over my computer laughing |
| 06:18.30 | bluspacecow | thanks guys. |
| 06:18.49 | Mirrormn | any addon could theoretically record your "private" chats and relay them to another person |
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| 06:19.02 | Wobin | as long as they're on the server |
| 06:19.03 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://paste2.org/p/1117643 happy? |
| 06:19.07 | Mirrormn | that's the only malicious thing I could really think of |
| 06:19.08 | Wobin | and logged in to your faction... |
| 06:19.11 | Adys | Mirrormn meant: any addon could theoretically record your private "chats" and relay them to another person |
| 06:19.11 | Jerub | i suggested to Zorba ages ago that he should put a backdoor in QH, so that when people give him lip in dungeon finder groups he can do things to them. |
| 06:19.44 | bluspacecow | ive heard that RDX used to have one |
| 06:19.46 | ZorbaBeta | it was kind of tempting |
| 06:19.52 | Shirik | It did |
| 06:20.03 | Adys | Thunder_Child: http://paste2.org/p/1117646 happy? |
| 06:20.03 | bluspacecow | stopping a rival guild from using your addon by waiting till they got to a boss then *dc tank* |
| 06:20.04 | Mirrormn | you could also make an addon sell someone's gear |
| 06:20.10 | Mirrormn | but they could just buy it back |
| 06:20.11 | Shirik | That's not what it was for, bluspacecow |
| 06:20.17 | Shirik | It was for forcefully kicking someone out of a dungeon |
| 06:20.18 | bluspacecow | ly ? |
| 06:20.24 | bluspacecow | i could be remembering it wrong |
| 06:20.25 | Shirik | I was in the guild that made RDX :) |
| 06:20.34 | bluspacecow | oh snap! |
| 06:20.49 | Shirik | And all the drama that ensued because of it |
| 06:20.54 | Shirik | those were good times |
| 06:21.03 | Adys | Mirrormn: how about: sell someone's gear, unpack something of many stacks (reagents) that can be sold into one-slot and sell all of these |
| 06:21.05 | Adys | blam |
| 06:21.09 | bluspacecow | *sniff* good times good times |
| 06:21.11 | Shirik | Back then, Veni was planning on making an addition to it where the action bar rearranged itself |
| 06:21.16 | Shirik | so you could just go 111111111111111 |
| 06:21.29 | Mirrormn | also, if you could gaurantee your addon was installed on all members of a raid group, you could circumvent everyone's roll messages and replace them with your own that always showed you winning |
| 06:21.30 | Shirik | Because people kept complaining "RDX plays the game for you!" and so he was like "well why DOESN'T it?!" |
| 06:21.32 | Thunder_Child | Adys: yes |
| 06:21.42 | Shirik | And then 2.0 came along and destroyed that idea |
| 06:22.00 | Adys | Mirrormn: eviler: sell one piece of gear, make sure it can be replaced by a random grey item, make it fall off buyback |
| 06:22.05 | Adys | every time they go to the merchant |
| 06:22.56 | Adys | Mirrormn: and, in /say, output "Fuck WoW GMs I love selling my gear to annoy them later on". |
| 06:23.11 | Mirrormn | Adys: even eviler: sell all gear that does actually show of the character, and then replace code in the character menu/bags to make it look like nothing is missing |
| 06:23.20 | Mirrormn | *doesn't, on |
| 06:23.35 | Jerub | hm. need something more subtle. |
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| 06:23.52 | Jerub | make it so that every time 'couldn't' is said in chat, 'could' is substituted and vice versa |
| 06:23.56 | Adys | Jerub: of course, catching that /say and not displaying it. |
| 06:24.10 | Jerub | so they just seem like an idiot.:P |
| 06:24.49 | Mirrormn | yknow there was a bug in Prat (actually there probably still is) that would catch some pattern in outgoing chat and squelch it |
| 06:24.56 | Mirrormn | I never figured out exactly what the pattern was |
| 06:25.24 | Adys | There's a bug in the linux kernel too |
| 06:25.27 | Mirrormn | but one day I was trying to talk about 802.11g vs n and the sentence I was trying to type simply wouldn't get said |
| 06:25.28 | Adys | I don't know where though |
| 06:25.33 | Mirrormn | no matter how I rephrased it |
| 06:26.21 | Mirrormn | I think it was some combination of the characters "." and "g", and the word "channel" |
| 06:27.08 | Mirrormn | anyway, creating an addon that did record chat and relay it back for spying could actually be a major vulnerability |
| 06:27.24 | Mirrormn | some people put some pretty sensitive information in whispers |
| 06:27.44 | Mirrormn | account info, personal info, etc |
| 06:27.56 | Adys | Adys's Trasnport: The Mighty Wind (Icecrown Citadel Raid) Instance Lock |
| 06:28.03 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 06:28.14 | LebQzz | any way to catch what talent spec one is? |
| 06:28.41 | Adys | !api spec |
| 06:28.42 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'spec'. Please be more specific |
| 06:29.06 | Mirrormn | !api talent |
| 06:29.07 | lua_bot | Found 43 possible matches for 'talent'. Please be more specific |
| 06:29.15 | LebQzz | GetActiveTalentGroup |
| 06:29.22 | LebQzz | is that for dual talent ? |
| 06:29.23 | Mirrormn | mmm, I think that's pre-4.0 |
| 06:29.27 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 06:30.01 | Adys | thats not it |
| 06:30.15 | Adys | i think he wants the name of the tree with the most points in it |
| 06:30.33 | LebQzz | or now what part i specialize in |
| 06:30.52 | LebQzz | wanna have eclipse available aslong as its balance tree and lvl 10+ |
| 06:30.53 | Adys | !api GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 06:30.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetPrimaryTalentTree'. |
| 06:30.56 | Mirrormn | it's not the most points now, though |
| 06:30.56 | Adys | !api GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 06:30.57 | lua_bot | GetPrimaryTalentTree: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPrimaryTalentTree) |
| 06:31.02 | Adys | that, likely |
| 06:31.15 | Adys | yeah, that |
| 06:31.18 | LebQzz | testing |
| 06:31.20 | Adys | but it returns an int |
| 06:31.23 | Adys | you need to match that int |
| 06:31.52 | LebQzz | ye 1 balance, 2 feral 3 resto maybe ;P |
| 06:32.01 | LebQzz | dunno if i shall be resto or feral as second lol |
| 06:32.08 | Mirrormn | yes, GetPrimaryTalentTree() is corrent |
| 06:32.14 | LebQzz | ye |
| 06:32.14 | Adys | with this |
| 06:32.17 | Adys | !api gettalenttabinfo |
| 06:32.18 | lua_bot | GetTalentTabInfo: Returns information about a talent tab (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTalentTabInfo) |
| 06:32.41 | LebQzz | yes |
| 06:32.44 | LebQzz | thanks |
| 06:32.48 | Adys | id, name, description = GetTalentTabInfo(GetPrimaryTalentTree()) |
| 06:33.19 | LebQzz | anyone got other than english client? |
| 06:33.31 | Adys | sure. what do you need |
| 06:33.50 | LebQzz | print(GetTalentTabInfo(1)) as a druid |
| 06:34.02 | Adys | by "what" i meant what languag4e |
| 06:34.06 | LebQzz | nr.2 and 6 |
| 06:34.14 | LebQzz | other than engb and enus |
| 06:34.59 | Adys | k sec |
| 06:35.42 | LebQzz | local -, t_name,_,_,_,t_name1,_= GetTalentTabInfo(1) |
| 06:35.42 | LebQzz | print (t_name..", "..t_name1) |
| 06:35.52 | LebQzz | ups |
| 06:36.00 | LebQzz | local _, t_name,_,_,_,t_name1,_= GetTalentTabInfo(1) |
| 06:36.37 | Adys | LebQzz: so what do you need exactly? |
| 06:36.42 | LebQzz | output |
| 06:36.50 | LebQzz | mine says Balance, DruidBalance |
| 06:37.02 | LebQzz | probably called something in german and shit thats why i need the global one ;P |
| 06:37.17 | Adys | first is the name, second is the texture name for the background |
| 06:37.25 | Adys | so use the second if you want something unique |
| 06:37.30 | Adys | Ãquilibre, DruidBalance if it matters |
| 06:37.34 | LebQzz | yes |
| 06:37.42 | LebQzz | DruidBalance is the Global identifier then |
| 06:37.51 | LebQzz | french one . lol |
| 06:38.05 | Adys | erm |
| 06:38.05 | LebQzz | that equilibre reminded me |
| 06:38.06 | Adys | use the id :p |
| 06:38.21 | LebQzz | hmm maybe ;P |
| 06:38.22 | Adys | first thing returned is the id |
| 06:38.46 | Adys | its what you want to use. hunter pets have the same backgrounds but diff ids |
| 06:39.37 | LebQzz | aaah |
| 06:39.38 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 06:39.41 | LebQzz | whats your balance id? |
| 06:39.46 | Adys | 723 or something |
| 06:39.55 | Adys | its the same thing im telling you |
| 06:40.44 | LebQzz | ;) |
| 06:41.59 | LebQzz | if (pp_id == 748) and (UnitLevel("player") >= 10) then |
| 06:42.03 | LebQzz | this doesnt seem to work |
| 06:42.31 | Adys | thats because 748 is restoration |
| 06:42.34 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/talents/?tab=748 |
| 06:43.05 | LebQzz | trying 752 then lol |
| 06:43.16 | Adys | 752 is balance |
| 06:43.57 | LebQzz | still not working |
| 06:44.04 | Adys | paste your whole code. |
| 06:44.16 | Adys | and explain what you mean by "doesnt work" |
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| 06:45.00 | LebQzz | doesnt show all i changed was the if statement 2 sec changing back |
| 06:45.18 | Adys | my brain explodes trying to parse that sentence |
| 06:45.21 | Adys | just paste your code |
| 06:45.38 | Eridius | I've been looking at some addons, and I'm seeing things like `local dadonName, addonTable = ...` at the top. addonName I can guess where it comes from, but what is the addonTable value? |
| 06:46.03 | Adys | Eridius: it's a new 3.3 feature |
| 06:46.10 | Adys | Eridius: it's a table global to the addon |
| 06:46.18 | Eridius | I can't find documentation on it |
| 06:46.26 | Eridius | is there somewhere I should look? I've been reading wowwiki and wowprogramming.com |
| 06:46.31 | Adys | look for iriel's 3.3 api changes post |
| 06:46.38 | Adys | on the old ui forums |
| 06:46.42 | LebQzz | hmm |
| 06:46.47 | Adys | or wherever they've been archived |
| 06:46.48 | Iriel | I really need to distill all those sort of useful bits into a new sticky |
| 06:47.04 | Adys | Iriel: were any of your 2.x and 3.x api changes posts archived somewhere? |
| 06:47.07 | Eridius | speaking of, are there better sites than wowwiki and wowprogramming.com? |
| 06:47.09 | Adys | before old forum goes boom |
| 06:47.10 | LebQzz | now i know lol |
| 06:47.24 | Adys | Eridius: use wowpedia instead of wowwiki, and use wowprogramming instead of wowpedia :P |
| 06:47.24 | Iriel | Eridius: the "Dead tree" version of wowprogramming has quite a bit of stuff in |
| 06:47.33 | Iriel | but wowprogramming is the best API reference at present |
| 06:47.38 | Eridius | Iriel: I've been considering getting that, wasn't sure if it was worth it |
| 06:47.57 | Iriel | I'm biased, so dont only take my word for it |
| 06:47.58 | Adys | wow, I totally didn't understand what iriel meant by dead tree for a sec |
| 06:47.58 | Eridius | Adys: I've been trying to use wowpedia but their google page rank is terrible so I can't find them easily by googling for WoW lua terms :/ |
| 06:48.15 | Adys | i thought you meant some frozen git branch or somethingh. |
| 06:48.16 | nicoli_s | well then link it :P |
| 06:48.23 | Eridius | Iriel: curiously, wowwiki has a lot more detail than wowprogramming on a number of events/API calls |
| 06:48.25 | Adys | Eridius: yep i know.. |
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| 06:48.43 | Iriel | the wiki is older, so it has the benefit of depth in some places |
| 06:48.49 | Iriel | Ideally check both 8-) |
| 06:48.55 | Adys | Eridius: well wowprogramming is a wiki as well so if you feel like contributing, #wowprogramming |
| 06:49.39 | Eridius | heh, I've considered it, but I'm not sure it's really appropriate to just copy content from wowwiki ;) |
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| 06:49.53 | Eridius | hrm, this new per-addon table, is there a compelling reason to use it over the frame that I've already created for my addon? |
| 06:51.01 | Adys | Eridius: content on both sites is licensed the same actually, but thats outside the point -- unless you're writing something in-depth, copypasting argument names and descriptions is nothing that can fall under that sort of issues |
| 06:51.22 | Adys | not that you'd need to do that really |
| 06:52.40 | Adys | Iriel: i don't understand GetPrimaryTalentTree(). without args it returns 3, with 0 or "abc" it returns 3, with 1 as arg it returns nil |
| 06:52.58 | Eridius | also, since I'm not doing anything UI related and are just using the frame to process events, is there any reason to even have a .xml file? Right now I'm just calling CreateFrame() in code |
| 06:53.04 | Adys | Iriel: is there a way to see a function's signature in game? |
| 06:53.24 | Iriel | Adys: only if you're lucky and it returns it in an error message |
| 06:53.38 | Adys | Eridius: nop. you can use lua for all your frames, it's the preferred way really |
| 06:53.42 | Mirrormn | xml files are way out of vogue |
| 06:53.52 | Eridius | really? cool. I definitely prefer using code |
| 06:54.03 | Iriel | GetPrimaryTalentTree(PlayerTalentFrame.inspect, PlayerTalentFrame.pet, PlayerTalentFrame.talentGroup); |
| 06:54.56 | Adys | ~api GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 06:54.56 | purl | !api GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 06:54.57 | lua_bot | GetPrimaryTalentTree: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPrimaryTalentTree) |
| 06:55.17 | Adys | ~wowapi GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 06:55.48 | Mirrormn | lol purl api redirect ^_^ |
| 06:55.55 | Mirrormn | purl, I love you |
| 06:55.55 | purl | You love you? |
| 06:56.06 | Mirrormn | yeah, pretty much |
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| 07:10.53 | Adys | !api GetPreviewTalentPointsSpent |
| 07:10.53 | lua_bot | GetPreviewTalentPointsSpent: This function is deprecated and should no longer be used (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPreviewTalentPointsSpent) |
| 07:12.09 | Shirik | I just had this amazing revelation |
| 07:12.14 | Shirik | Inflation is not a bad thing |
| 07:12.38 | Adys | especially when it's about my ego |
| 07:12.43 | Shirik | The way I see it is this |
| 07:12.54 | Shirik | Nothing is really worth anything except an amount of time |
| 07:13.07 | Jerub | where's the new realm status forum? |
| 07:13.08 | Shirik | Everything really boils down to time and effort, and that's what you're paying for, the use of someone else's time |
| 07:13.29 | Shirik | Now as life goes on, the amount of time we've had total to do things has increased (obviously) |
| 07:13.33 | Jerub | there's no downtime notice for tonight |
| 07:13.36 | Shirik | Thus the total amount of money in the world should also increase |
| 07:13.39 | Jerub | !realmstatus |
| 07:13.40 | Shirik | hence, inflation |
| 07:14.01 | Adys | what time is it shirik |
| 07:14.06 | Shirik | 2:14 AM |
| 07:14.07 | Jerub | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 07:14.10 | Adys | thought so |
| 07:14.24 | Shirik | peanut butter jelly time? |
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| 07:17.05 | Adys | im sad by the small amount of changes to teldrassil from the cataclysm |
| 07:17.17 | Adys | s/d/ddened/ |
| 07:17.37 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:17.39 | Fisker | just dance |
| 07:17.48 | Shirik | dances |
| 07:17.54 | Adys | naked |
| 07:18.09 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 07:21.42 | Shirik | dances naked |
| 07:22.05 | Fisker | hot |
| 07:22.28 | Fisker | i want my sandy bridge and 3rd gen ssd's now |
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| 07:22.36 | Fisker | hook me up Shirik |
| 07:24.01 | Xyphoid | i hear darkshore's good though? |
| 07:24.08 | Xyphoid | dun morogh > loch modan |
| 07:25.05 | Fisker | hmm |
| 07:25.10 | Adys | yeah |
| 07:25.13 | Adys | its just teldrassil |
| 07:25.17 | Fisker | i just saw a night elf rogue with a goblin mount |
| 07:33.30 | Shirik | http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/077/381/original/rocket_chainsaw.jpg?1287102490 |
| 07:33.35 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:33.42 | NeoTron | can't wait to see a goblin with a worgen class mount! |
| 07:39.23 | Fisker | i once killed a guy NeoTron |
| 07:41.32 | Mirrormn | it's true |
| 07:41.39 | Mirrormn | I've confirmed it with independent sources |
| 07:49.08 | Eridius | NeoTron: worgen class mount is a racial ability... |
| 07:51.25 | NeoTron | Eridius: I know, but admit it - don't you want to see a gnome running quickly on all fours? |
| 07:53.47 | Mirrormn | only if it facilitates my crushing his spine under my boots |
| 07:55.18 | Xyphoid | hunter level 10 is pretty funny. 7 'unlocked!' messages in a row |
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| 07:59.59 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2010/11/29/demotivational-posters-my-question-is-2/ ... good question |
| 08:02.49 | LebQzz | http://pastey.net/143417 somewhere in the event it shuts down. |
| 08:03.01 | LebQzz | without event everythingis showing fine |
| 08:03.15 | Adys | good god man |
| 08:03.17 | msoul | Was I wrong to tell the "elite" to switch to his prot spec instead of tanking as fury? |
| 08:03.22 | Adys | if you're gonna indent with spaces, use four of them |
| 08:03.30 | LebQzz | naa too much ident ;P |
| 08:03.44 | Adys | you realize it makes me want to help you even less |
| 08:03.50 | msoul | and yet he had the nerv to try offending me for refusing to heal... |
| 08:03.51 | Adys | because your code is a pain in the eye |
| 08:03.55 | zenzio | if four-space indenting becomes too much, then you need to rethink your code |
| 08:04.56 | zenzio | I also question your variable- and function-naming scheem |
| 08:04.59 | zenzio | and scheme |
| 08:05.17 | Adys | im sorry |
| 08:05.19 | Adys | this is unreadable |
| 08:05.25 | Adys | i cant help you |
| 08:06.26 | msoul | that guy plays for the top guild "was top guild" on my realm |
| 08:06.43 | msoul | I don't know why but I dispise ppl who think tyhey're above all others |
| 08:06.59 | msoul | especially the ones who plays for top guilds... |
| 08:07.58 | msoul | the sad part lame ass kids make them feel that way and tried to find an explanation and couldn't come up with anything but "hard to be polite were all kids give your ego a boost with all lame questions about rotations, talents and what not |
| 08:08.26 | msoul | wouldn't be impolite to anyone no matter what guild I play for or how good I am at whatever pvp/pve etc |
| 08:08.45 | msoul | some shouldnt really play MMO's as they forget it's a social game after all |
| 08:09.43 | Adys | don't take this the wrong way, I agree with you |
| 08:09.46 | Adys | but suck it up, honestly |
| 08:10.12 | msoul | guess so |
| 08:10.21 | Adys | "social circles" in general function that way. a "social game" will mirror social behaviours, amplifying some of it |
| 08:10.49 | Adys | and wow is way way way off course if you're going in that direction |
| 08:10.56 | Adys | look at eq or mmos like that |
| 08:11.09 | msoul | the reason I am saying this as I've noticed most ppl act like asses... rarely you see a fella with some decency in WoW these days |
| 08:11.23 | Adys | that's just not true |
| 08:11.30 | Xyphoid | LFD is the gutter |
| 08:11.46 | Adys | if you're going to look in the wrong places I cannot help you |
| 08:11.54 | msoul | No |
| 08:12.04 | pnorman | LFD isn't actually too bad, but Azgalor has a reputation for assholes |
| 08:12.18 | msoul | I don't pug, this happened to me few days ago when I wanted to do a random dungeon |
| 08:12.19 | Adys | leave the trade chan, dont read party chat in LFD |
| 08:12.38 | zenzio | I've had my share of bad people from the LFD, but even there generally the people I get grouped with are at least decent |
| 08:12.40 | msoul | I've quyitted general chat as I've seen horrible questions/comments |
| 08:12.52 | msoul | the last question was "how can I make my drake roar" pls help |
| 08:13.10 | Xyphoid | if that's the most offensive thing you've seen you're overstrung a little |
| 08:13.15 | Adys | here's an experienced tip |
| 08:13.19 | msoul | I just check combat log and party when I do a random dungeon |
| 08:13.30 | Adys | log in at 2am in ironforge |
| 08:13.30 | msoul | Xyphoid: oh no that was funny not offensive at all :-) |
| 08:13.35 | msoul | the roar part |
| 08:13.52 | msoul | <= horde but go on |
| 08:14.12 | Adys | log in at 2am in ironforge, find someone who's regularly sitting in the same spot for long periods of time |
| 08:14.12 | Adys | and bam |
| 08:14.30 | msoul | that's how you hunt decent fellas? |
| 08:14.31 | Mirrormn | bam, what? |
| 08:15.09 | Adys | it's how you figure out who's decent and where to look at in any server if you don't know anyone |
| 08:15.09 | zenzio | actually have to agree with Adys, that would work on my realm |
| 08:15.26 | msoul | I see |
| 08:15.31 | msoul | will keep that in mind |
| 08:15.34 | Adys | if you already know someone decent, just look into their guilds or ask for a couple of dungeons with their friends |
| 08:15.37 | Mirrormn | I don't see how that would help you find anyone except someone who's bored out of their mind |
| 08:15.57 | msoul | I did join this guild yesterday |
| 08:16.07 | msoul | was playing with one of its members farming reps tbc reps |
| 08:16.11 | msoul | so hoping for the best |
| 08:16.28 | pnorman | fyi - achievement for logging on now, 6th anniversary |
| 08:16.36 | Mirrormn | also, people act very differently based on circumstances |
| 08:17.17 | Adys | Mirrormn: take my word for it |
| 08:17.20 | Mirrormn | the guy who will have a pleasant conversation with you in ironforge may be the same guy who will make a bunch of snarky remarks in a LFD group that he wants to get done quickly |
| 08:17.22 | msoul | No I mean he plays for a topd guild "was" and tanking as fury |
| 08:17.41 | msoul | and started to mouth trash me cause I refused to heal him unless he switch tio prot |
| 08:17.52 | Adys | Mirrormn: 6 years, 10 different servers, a bunch of communities; it always works |
| 08:17.53 | msoul | he was getting gimpped every pack he pull |
| 08:17.55 | Mirrormn | you refused to heal him? |
| 08:17.59 | msoul | y |
| 08:18.16 | msoul | I said could you switch to prot spec |
| 08:18.19 | Mirrormn | "getting gimped" what does that mean? |
| 08:18.29 | msoul | I'm mostly nice but once you give me the elite attitude I mock you to death |
| 08:18.37 | msoul | his hp drops like a rocket launcher |
| 08:18.44 | msoul | is what I meant |
| 08:18.48 | msoul | in pit of saron |
| 08:19.07 | Adys | dropping like a rocket launcher, hm |
| 08:19.26 | msoul | few hits and Bam |
| 08:19.41 | Adys | its an interesting idea, i dont think the goal of a rocket launcher is to drop :P |
| 08:19.47 | msoul | your dead unless I burn my mana just for you |
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| 08:19.50 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:20.09 | Adys | Kalroth: we're talking about cybering and furry porn, wanna join? |
| 08:20.16 | Mirrormn | well, from his perspective; he's trying to get the dungeon done as quickly as possible, and he sees you as someone who is not willing to put in the effort to get that done |
| 08:20.31 | Mirrormn | all a matter of points of view =/ |
| 08:20.37 | Kalroth | Adys: shave first pls |
| 08:20.48 | Adys | Kalroth: you're defeating the point, gtfo |
| 08:20.48 | msoul | Mirrormn: all grp were from his guild so there was no need for his dps that much.. will fasten it for a minute? 2? |
| 08:20.54 | msoul | I was the only outsider |
| 08:21.37 | Adys | msoul: here's the problem, when people enter LFD they automatically assume the worse out of people |
| 08:21.40 | Mirrormn | so they were *all* expecting the group to go a certain way |
| 08:21.45 | msoul | a lot do that these days join as tank while they're dpsers... I don't mind it but if your hp drops fast I must tell you to switch specs |
| 08:21.51 | mitch0 | imo it doesn't hurt to at least try to keep him alive... if you run oom midfight, then that's a different story, but if you can keep him up even though he's in sub-optimal set/stance, so what? |
| 08:21.55 | Mirrormn | and you threatened to waste their time by refusing to heal unless it went how you wanted |
| 08:22.15 | msoul | Adys: oh well if you ask nicely not my way or the high-way and I am elite and youre not attitude |
| 08:22.33 | msoul | Mirrormn: huh? |
| 08:22.37 | Adys | msoul: your problem is you assume the worst out of that group |
| 08:22.49 | Mirrormn | you said earlier that you refused to heal him if he didn't switch specs, right? |
| 08:22.53 | msoul | I did continue healing him and asked him after |
| 08:23.09 | msoul | I'm not sure if you're pointing your finger and saying it was my mistake for me not healing him |
| 08:23.14 | mitch0 | I was in a pug 2 days ago as healer, in the middle of the instance the tank said "my prot gear sucks" (mind, he didn't die once) and some random dps instantly quits... |
| 08:23.19 | ccox | 6th aniversary letter just arrived in WoW mail |
| 08:23.20 | Mirrormn | I'm not pointing my finger at either party |
| 08:23.27 | Adys | msoul: as you said, you were the only outsider. the last thing you want to do as an outsider is tell them how you want things to go, it's really not your call |
| 08:23.28 | msoul | y I told him after a minute to switch he said don't worry |
| 08:23.31 | Mirrormn | I'm saying the situation is rarely that simple |
| 08:23.33 | msoul | I said fine then let me play as ele |
| 08:23.56 | Adys | msoul: either stick to the group and keep quiet, or leave without asking questions |
| 08:24.06 | Adys | if you leave thats pretty silly unless its a really bad group |
| 08:24.18 | Mirrormn | and I agree with what Adys said, you both went into the situation assuming the worst of each other |
| 08:24.20 | Adys | but if you start telling them how to run "their run" all they'll do is votekick you |
| 08:24.23 | Xyphoid | healing as ele works fine a lot of the time too |
| 08:24.31 | msoul | I don't leave even if worst scenarios... I just didn't like his attitude when I told him to switch |
| 08:24.40 | Mirrormn | well |
| 08:24.56 | Adys | well as Mirrormn said, he doesnt switch, his problem, if he dies, he's an idiot, if he doesnt die, who cares? |
| 08:25.02 | zenzio | msoul: did you *tell him* to switch or *ask him* to switch? |
| 08:25.02 | Mirrormn | I once did a LFD group where the tank would not even attempt to tank more than one mob at a time |
| 08:25.05 | Xyphoid | lil' ragnaros sound effects are neat |
| 08:25.22 | Mirrormn | and then at the end of the instance, I told him he was the worst tank I'd ever played with (which was true) |
| 08:25.29 | Mirrormn | and then he called me a "no-life faggot" |
| 08:25.35 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 08:25.37 | msoul | Adys: I've always start with could you or would you |
| 08:26.06 | msoul | as I've learnt it's polite to use could you instead of can you |
| 08:26.14 | pnorman | ugh, HOR |
| 08:26.15 | Mirrormn | and I complained about it for a bit afterwards but then I realized I acted the same way he did, except with less profanity |
| 08:26.17 | msoul | eng isn't my native language |
| 08:26.36 | Adys | msoul: being polite wont help if he sees you in an unfriendly way |
| 08:26.47 | msoul | I see |
| 08:26.57 | Adys | msoul: and thats the case for most LFD groups |
| 08:27.01 | Mirrormn | also, politeness can often be taken as "acting superior" |
| 08:27.03 | LebQzz | adys what about select(2,UnitClass("player")) |
| 08:27.10 | LebQzz | on french |
| 08:27.19 | LebQzz | will it still be DRUID? or some french word |
| 08:27.23 | Adys | LebQzz: it'll be DRUID |
| 08:27.29 | LebQzz | ok |
| 08:27.30 | zenzio | !api UnitClass |
| 08:27.31 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 08:27.35 | Mirrormn | I'm a native english speaker and half the time I can't figure out a way to tell people in LFD groups how to improve their play without sounding like an asshole |
| 08:28.04 | mitch0 | are you british then? :) |
| 08:28.04 | Adys | study politics |
| 08:28.06 | Mirrormn | it's a delicate situation |
| 08:28.06 | msoul | I try to tell the tank for instance to keep aggro with a smile |
| 08:28.14 | msoul | as saying this offends a lot these days |
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| 08:28.26 | Xyphoid | that'd probably offend me |
| 08:28.28 | Adys | Politics is the art of being an asshole without sounding like one |
| 08:28.33 | msoul | since could you sounds like "you suck" |
| 08:28.38 | Bluspacecow | @mirror like pallys tanking with no RF |
| 08:28.38 | msoul | Xyphoid: :/ |
| 08:28.43 | Mirrormn | of course, nowadays I can pretty much solo heroic instance on my mage |
| 08:28.51 | Mirrormn | so I just do whatever the hell I want ^_^ |
| 08:28.53 | Xyphoid | what i do for tanks who pull too much is talk about how i suck at healing |
| 08:29.08 | pnorman | On my shaman I've given up on the tank holding aggro |
| 08:29.09 | Xyphoid | put yourself down instead of them |
| 08:29.11 | msoul | I should do that! |
| 08:29.30 | msoul | well I used to klink my 80 ach when I was gearing my alts |
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| 08:29.38 | msoul | so they don't complain about my dps/healing |
| 08:29.56 | msoul | cause 2 words comes eventually |
| 08:30.12 | msoul | noob/retard if you do 1 thing wrong |
| 08:30.53 | msoul | one member from slashcry on my realm they're the top guild now told me with all his legendary and all BiS gear was standing infront of the guy and saying inv for voa25 |
| 08:31.00 | msoul | the guy replied GS/ach or no inv |
| 08:31.13 | msoul | and he doesn't have GS... |
| 08:31.21 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 08:31.22 | msoul | I'm sure you know of thisor heard of it |
| 08:31.23 | zenzio | msoul: I think all you can really do if you use he LFD tool is accept that there will be idiots and annoying people. You're very unlikely to be able to affect them in any way by what you say |
| 08:32.00 | msoul | zenzio you're absolutely right |
| 08:32.01 | Mirrormn | I dunno if that's even accurate, zenzio |
| 08:32.10 | Mirrormn | there will be a gigantic range of people |
| 08:32.22 | Adys | "plis portal satrach sity" |
| 08:32.22 | Mirrormn | and a lot of them will not fall into the narrow view of what you think they should be |
| 08:32.28 | msoul | cause advising the tank or dps will get me to "omg retard I was afk" |
| 08:32.57 | Mirrormn | that doesn't make them all "idiots" or "elitist" |
| 08:33.21 | zenzio | Mirrormn: I see your point, but I'm actually very forgiving with people on the LFD tool |
| 08:33.36 | zenzio | and being the tank, as long as I do my job, people tend to leave me alone |
| 08:33.39 | Mirrormn | it's only later that you call them all idiots on IRC ^_^ |
| 08:33.50 | msoul | heh |
| 08:33.52 | zenzio | Mirrormn: I've never called "them all" idiots |
| 08:33.57 | zenzio | I said "I've had my share of idiots" |
| 08:34.00 | zenzio | that's a huge difference |
| 08:34.29 | msoul | when I was lvling I see the tank "hey I am raffing" |
| 08:34.34 | msoul | so we play with 1 less dps |
| 08:34.36 | Mirrormn | anyway |
| 08:34.43 | mitch0 | some of my best pugs were done with idiots :) |
| 08:34.51 | mitch0 | I just don't like the bitchy idiouts |
| 08:34.53 | msoul | :/ |
| 08:35.02 | msoul | my best pug early morning always |
| 08:35.02 | Mirrormn | I see LFD groups simply as an opportunity to view a randomized slice of the community |
| 08:35.12 | msoul | not always but got into a few |
| 08:35.31 | msoul | sigh I should stop ircing "in class" |
| 08:35.40 | Mirrormn | I've seen very little truely idiotic behavior |
| 08:35.52 | msoul | consider yourself lucky then |
| 08:36.25 | Mirrormn | I consider myself understanding |
| 08:37.19 | msoul | everything has a limit |
| 08:37.43 | Mirrormn | true |
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| 08:43.03 | LebQzz | hmm wrong names to have on your arrest record as a geek is probable.. front name "The Flasher" last name |
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| 08:47.34 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:50.39 | Adys | Shirik |
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| 08:52.42 | Shirik | (del/undel) 03:49, 30 November 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) (log action removed) â (G3: Vandalism) |
| 08:52.43 | Shirik | (del/undel) 03:50, 30 November 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) changed the visibility of one or more entries in the (Deletion log): removed content for 1 entry â (RD2: Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material) (more...) |
| 08:52.46 | Shirik | Abuse of power! |
| 08:52.52 | Shirik | Adys, do you agree? |
| 08:53.00 | Adys | no |
| 08:53.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:53.06 | Shirik | well yay |
| 08:53.13 | Adys | unless you mean "do i agree with abuse of power" |
| 08:53.15 | Adys | in which case yes i do |
| 08:53.19 | Adys | i always agree with abuse of power |
| 08:55.27 | Adys | Shirik! |
| 08:55.29 | Adys | real snow! |
| 08:55.32 | Adys | real bloody snow! |
| 08:55.39 | Shirik | not sure what you're talking about |
| 08:55.41 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 08:55.46 | Shirik | definitely not snow |
| 08:55.58 | pnorman | ~weather yvr |
| 08:56.30 | Adys | Shirik: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/11/30/snow3.jpg |
| 08:56.43 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:56.46 | pnorman | ~weather cyvr |
| 08:56.56 | Shirik | I'm finally moving out of Florida |
| 08:57.00 | Shirik | to Oregon, permanently |
| 08:57.10 | Shirik | And I just read a news report that says it's going to be the worst winter in Oregon in 50 years |
| 08:57.12 | Shirik | WHY THIS YEAR |
| 08:58.07 | Adys | because you suck |
| 08:58.13 | Adys | we dont want you in oregon |
| 08:58.16 | Shirik | :( |
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| 09:00.18 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 09:00.20 | Shirik | del/undel) 03:59, 30 November 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) changed the visibility of one or more entries in the (Block log) |
| 09:00.30 | Shirik | Now I'm blocking people and it's impossible to track! |
| 09:00.33 | Shirik | How do you feel now adys |
| 09:01.07 | Adys | if i blocked someone id be proud |
| 09:01.11 | Adys | id want everyone to see it |
| 09:04.15 | Kalroth | "blocks" Adys |
| 09:04.24 | Adys | "parries" |
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| 09:04.38 | Kalroth | "procs" haste |
| 09:04.47 | Adys | "inserts" stats |
| 09:05.01 | Adys | in your socket and all. |
| 09:05.39 | Xyphoid | quick, grind some xp |
| 09:07.56 | Xyphoid | oh my, lilian voss |
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| 09:12.41 | Mirrormn | isn't that a magic card? |
| 09:16.08 | Xyphoid | maybe, she's in the tirisfal quests |
| 09:16.18 | Xyphoid | and rules |
| 09:21.57 | Mirrormn | Liliana Vess is a planeswalker in the MTG universe |
| 09:22.04 | Mirrormn | pretty close |
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| 09:26.04 | haste | devours Kalroth |
| 09:26.19 | Kalroth | aaaaaaah |
| 09:26.24 | Kalroth | worst proc ever |
| 09:28.02 | Shirik | Ok here's a fun problem (NP-complete?) |
| 09:28.23 | Shirik | Let's say I have two columns each with several entries |
| 09:28.34 | Shirik | each entry in one column has a score when paired with an entry in the second column |
| 09:29.04 | Shirik | Now, extend this problem for N number of columns |
| 09:29.14 | Shirik | how can I pick one entry from each column to get the highest total score? |
| 09:29.30 | Shirik | column 1 still pairs with column 3 and 4 and 5, etc., as well |
| 09:29.40 | Shirik | so each choice will have N-1 scores |
| 09:30.34 | krka_ | you need to define the problem more clearly |
| 09:31.49 | Elkano | since you only care for the total score it's just one value from each column, right? |
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| 09:32.37 | Xyphoid | so A1 + B1 has a score, A2 + B2 has a score, A1 + C1 has a score? |
| 09:33.03 | Xyphoid | and you want to pick Ax Bx Cx with the highest total score? |
| 09:37.09 | Elkano | but still sounds P to me |
| 09:37.57 | krka_ | there's a function score = f(c1, c2, c3) ? |
| 09:38.06 | krka_ | and we dont know what the function looks like? |
| 09:38.49 | Xyphoid | i don't quite understand the presentation, 'each choice has N-1 scores' implies that you're picking a line of the table as your solution, but the rest of it sounds like you pick an entry from each column |
| 09:38.54 | Elkano | he said there are N-1 scores so it should be a function with only two args |
| 09:39.01 | krka_ | the presentation of the problem sucked |
| 09:39.14 | Elkano | ~blame Shirik |
| 09:39.14 | purl | ACTION blames Shirik (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 09:39.20 | krka_ | how is it NP-complete if the problem size is only N-1? |
| 09:39.48 | Shirik | no Xyphoid |
| 09:39.58 | Shirik | A1 + B2 also has a score, etc. |
| 09:40.32 | Shirik | So the number of possibilities is nA * nB * nC ... |
| 09:40.33 | krka_ | i see, we need to maximize f(c1, c2) + f(c1, c3) + f(c2, c3) + ... |
| 09:40.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:40.49 | Mirrormn | seems like the problem could have a large range of complexities depending on how the scoring function works |
| 09:40.59 | Shirik | the scoring function is a mystery |
| 09:41.00 | krka_ | so we have N * (N - 1) scores to maximize |
| 09:41.01 | Elkano | so for Ax By Cz you can solve all By and Cz independant of each other for each x |
| 09:41.01 | Shirik | that's the best part |
| 09:41.20 | Mirrormn | I would classify that as the worst part |
| 09:41.28 | krka_ | seems easy enough to solve |
| 09:41.32 | Shirik | depends on how you look at it :) |
| 09:41.53 | Shirik | ah, krka_, but there's a difference between "easy to solve" and "easy to solve well" ;) |
| 09:42.03 | krka_ | could be done in P at least |
| 09:42.08 | Elkano | so your problem should be i the size of |A|*(|B|+|C|+...) |
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| 09:42.21 | krka_ | not sure why you thought it was NPC |
| 09:42.42 | Shirik | because I hadn't thought about it too hard :) |
| 09:43.31 | krka_ | I have an O(N^4) solution :P |
| 09:44.12 | krka_ | http://pastey.net/143419 |
| 09:44.15 | Shirik | how the hell did you get that |
| 09:44.39 | krka_ | actually, it's O(N^2 * whatever the size of each column is) |
| 09:45.02 | mitch0 | the problem is still ill specified |
| 09:45.10 | Mirrormn | I agree |
| 09:45.19 | krka_ | i concur |
| 09:45.19 | Shirik | krka_ seems to be understanding it |
| 09:45.21 | mitch0 | we demand a formal specification |
| 09:45.25 | krka_ | i am still not sure i understand it |
| 09:45.26 | Mirrormn | in fact I'm not convinced the problem even has enough meaning to really be a problem |
| 09:45.32 | Shirik | It is a problem |
| 09:45.36 | Shirik | It's one I need to solve :P |
| 09:45.36 | krka_ | YOU are the problem |
| 09:45.53 | Shirik | Ok would you like the actual problem? I think that would be harder to understand. |
| 09:45.59 | mitch0 | shirik: then specify it. preferably in a pastey if it's longer than 2 lines ;) |
| 09:46.03 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 09:46.10 | krka_ | is my solution correct or not |
| 09:46.26 | Mirrormn | what you've specified is vague enough that I'm afraid to make any assumptions as to how it should work |
| 09:46.53 | Shirik | I don't think it is krka_ |
| 09:46.57 | Shirik | but I can't say for certain |
| 09:47.10 | Shirik | I think it makes certain assumptions that may be wrong |
| 09:47.21 | Mirrormn | exactly |
| 09:47.24 | krka_ | of course it does, we still haven't gotten a good problem description |
| 09:47.29 | Shirik | Ok so here, let me give you the actual problem |
| 09:47.39 | Shirik | You are given an english sentence |
| 09:48.15 | Shirik | Each word in that sentence has several "lemmas" which, to put it simply, are basically the various meanings of that word |
| 09:48.30 | Shirik | We want to figure out which meaning is actually being used |
| 09:48.34 | Shirik | So here's how we do it |
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| 09:49.17 | Shirik | We are able to compute how related two words are - 1.0 meaning that they are the same word (or an exact synonym), and 0.0 meaning they have no relationship to each other whatsoever |
| 09:49.41 | Shirik | It thus follows that a relationship between each word in the sentence to every other word can be computed and a score resulting |
| 09:49.55 | Shirik | We want to pick exactly 1 lemma for each word that maximizes the score of the sentence |
| 09:50.05 | krka_ | i think my solution works then |
| 09:50.22 | mitch0 | where the score of the sentence is the sum of scores of individual words, right? |
| 09:50.26 | Shirik | what I'm worried about in your solution is it seems to pick the maximum between two columns |
| 09:50.37 | Shirik | whereas you might have to pick a lower score between two columns to get a higher score in another column |
| 09:50.54 | krka_ | no? |
| 09:51.00 | krka_ | i am comparing all columns pair wise |
| 09:51.01 | Shirik | well words don't have scores, mitch0, the relationships between two words do |
| 09:51.02 | Shirik | but yes |
| 09:51.16 | Mirrormn | this absolutely sounds like a "NP-complete but with potential for very effective heuristics" problem to me |
| 09:51.25 | krka_ | hm now i see what you mean |
| 09:51.38 | krka_ | you only get pick one entry per column, which is to be used everywhere |
| 09:51.43 | krka_ | i pick one entry per pair |
| 09:51.50 | krka_ | that does make it trickier |
| 09:52.30 | Mirrormn | well I've thought about the problem just enough that I can be content ignoring it now |
| 09:52.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:52.38 | Mirrormn | back to Mass Effect 2! |
| 09:52.40 | krka_ | me too :) |
| 09:52.45 | Shirik | In all honesty I'm not really that concerned with getting a solution |
| 09:52.56 | Shirik | it's just a problem that's popped up and I came up with this as a clever solution if I were to make an algorithm for it |
| 09:53.02 | Shirik | but it's not really necessary |
| 09:53.09 | Mirrormn | well, I mean, a truely optimal solution is not necessary, right? |
| 09:53.16 | Shirik | it's not |
| 09:53.21 | Shirik | A decent solution is |
| 09:53.21 | Mirrormn | you just want a solution that's "pretty good" |
| 09:53.28 | Mirrormn | so you need some heuristic |
| 09:53.33 | Mirrormn | not a deterministic algorithm |
| 09:53.36 | mitch0 | I also don't quite agree with picking the score function ;) |
| 09:53.55 | Shirik | what we want to avoid (the problem we're having) is getting phrases like "Doctor <name> teaches <some class>" and then doctor becomes the verb "to alter/falsify" |
| 09:54.02 | Mirrormn | so use like a genetic algorithm or simulated annealing or something |
| 09:54.09 | Shirik | mitch0: That function is already given to us |
| 09:54.19 | Shirik | It's specified by something known as wordnet which we're already using |
| 09:54.33 | Shirik | wordnet is just basically a mesh of words and their relationships to each other |
| 09:54.37 | mitch0 | then I guess it does something else than what you told us |
| 09:54.43 | Shirik | it does a lot more |
| 09:54.51 | Shirik | but it does provide such a function |
| 09:54.58 | mitch0 | I find it hard to believe that it actually looks for synonyms (as that wouldn't make much sense imo) |
| 09:55.12 | Shirik | I said it looks for relationships |
| 09:55.20 | Shirik | a score of 1.0 means it is effectively a synonym |
| 09:55.28 | Shirik | (or the same word) |
| 09:55.31 | krka_ | this is your problem then: |
| 09:55.31 | krka_ | Pick A_1, A_2, A_3, ..., A_N |
| 09:55.31 | krka_ | Maximize F(A_1, A_2) + F(A_1, A_3) + F(A_2, A_3) + ... |
| 09:55.52 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:56.05 | krka_ | why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of all those convoluted sentences? |
| 09:56.12 | Mirrormn | loool |
| 09:56.18 | Shirik | Well your specification isn't complete either :) |
| 09:56.30 | Shirik | It doesn't clarify that the choices for A_2 are completely different from the choices from A_1 |
| 09:56.32 | Shirik | etc. |
| 09:56.36 | krka_ | only thing I'm missing is the domains, yes |
| 09:57.09 | Shirik | mitch0, here's some examples |
| 09:57.10 | Mirrormn | oh snap |
| 09:57.16 | Mirrormn | GSL starts now |
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| 09:58.49 | Mirrormn | or, more accurately, pre-GSL k-pop music videos start now |
| 09:59.29 | krka_ | hmm, I'm pretty sure you can reduce this problem to some sort of SAT |
| 09:59.42 | krka_ | no wait, other way around |
| 10:00.24 | Shirik | Here mitch0: http://wowi.pastey.net/143421 |
| 10:00.42 | Shirik | Here we can see the difference in comparing the word 'cat' to two versions of 'dog' - that of the animal and that as in "hot dog" |
| 10:00.51 | Shirik | we see that it prefers the version of the animal |
| 10:01.09 | Shirik | oh I forgot |
| 10:01.24 | Shirik | >>> wn.synsets('dog') |
| 10:01.24 | Shirik | [Synset('dog.n.01'), Synset('frump.n.01'), Synset('dog.n.03'), Synset('cad.n.01'), Synset('frank.n.02'), Synset('pawl.n.01'), Synset('andiron.n.01'), Synset('chase.v.01')] |
| 10:01.31 | Shirik | That's where I got frank.n.02 from :) |
| 10:02.02 | Shirik | krka_: I only just started learning about SATs :( |
| 10:02.09 | Shirik | I am not a computer scientist |
| 10:03.02 | Shirik | And I only started learning of them because of the P != NP paper |
| 10:03.15 | mitch0 | wn.synset('mitch.n.0').path_similarity(wn.synset('coffee.n.0') == 1 |
| 10:03.57 | Shirik | syntax error: expected ')' near '==' |
| 10:04.12 | Shirik | also |
| 10:04.13 | Shirik | nltk.corpus.reader.wordnet.WordNetError: no lemma 'mitch' with part of speech 'n' |
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| 10:04.17 | Shirik | mitch0 doesn't exist |
| 10:05.59 | krka_ | i wonder if you could apply linear programming to your problem |
| 10:06.09 | Adys | what is this |
| 10:06.10 | Adys | java? |
| 10:06.19 | Adys | more dots than underscore that cant be python |
| 10:06.45 | krka_ | javascript? |
| 10:06.48 | Shirik | those dots are in strings |
| 10:06.51 | Shirik | and it's definitely python |
| 10:07.10 | Adys | [10:02:46] <@Shirik> nltk.corpus.reader.wordnet.WordNetError: no lemma 'mitch' with part of speech 'n' |
| 10:07.12 | Shirik | the >>> and output of a list didn't give it away? |
| 10:07.19 | Adys | i know |
| 10:07.22 | Adys | but |
| 10:07.22 | Adys | [10:02:46] <@Shirik> nltk.corpus.reader.wordnet.WordNetError: no lemma 'mitch' with part of speech 'n' |
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| 10:07.47 | Shirik | and? |
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| 10:07.58 | Adys | and that exception looks like java |
| 10:08.06 | Shirik | import nltk; from nltk.corpus import wordnet as wn; |
| 10:08.08 | Shirik | etc. etc. |
| 10:08.13 | Kalroth | it looks like suxx! |
| 10:08.14 | Adys | yeah im not clueless |
| 10:08.15 | Adys | :P |
| 10:08.21 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 10:08.28 | Shirik | if it were java it would say exception |
| 10:08.28 | Adys | can you look at my butt very, very closely |
| 10:08.30 | Shirik | because errors are evil |
| 10:08.36 | Kalroth | Adys: I see Python code?! |
| 10:08.37 | Shirik | literally |
| 10:08.39 | Adys | and stuff your nose even closer |
| 10:08.41 | Adys | closer. |
| 10:08.42 | Adys | go on. |
| 10:08.43 | Adys | closer. |
| 10:08.44 | Kalroth | no |
| 10:08.47 | Kalroth | i refuse |
| 10:08.50 | Adys | DO IT |
| 10:09.04 | Shirik | Kalroth: the ultimate defense against Adys is more dots |
| 10:09.07 | Shirik | more dots now |
| 10:09.15 | Kalroth | ponders ......... |
| 10:09.20 | Shirik | ok stop dots |
| 10:09.56 | Kalroth | :D |
| 10:09.57 | Shirik | Adys is presently trying to come up with some witty rebuttal but will fail epically |
| 10:10.34 | Adys | no Shirik |
| 10:10.50 | Adys | i was trying to get him to stuff his nose up my ass because thats where it should be |
| 10:11.00 | Adys | Maldivia, help me out here |
| 10:11.06 | Adys | and no it's not related to anything above |
| 10:11.31 | Adys | trying to figure out if theres a way to get tradeskill info by id |
| 10:12.02 | Shirik | :/ |
| 10:12.08 | Shirik | I just looked up the synsets for the word 'a' |
| 10:12.27 | Shirik | [Synset('angstrom.n.01'), Synset('vitamin_a.n.01'), Synset('deoxyadenosine_monophosphate.n.01'), Synset('adenine.n.01'), Synset('ampere.n.02'), Synset('a.n.06'), Synset('a.n.07')] |
| 10:12.45 | Shirik | Would some chemist like to try to explain how the hell 'a' can mean something as complex as 'deoxyadenosine monophosphate'? |
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| 10:13.27 | Shirik | chemistry is evil |
| 10:14.40 | Shirik | oh... |
| 10:14.53 | Shirik | it's the "A", one of the four types of DNA markers |
| 10:15.02 | Shirik | as in TCGA |
| 10:18.13 | krka_ | hmm, maybe you could model it as a maximum flow problem |
| 10:18.25 | Maldivia | Adys: get tradeskill info by id? |
| 10:18.45 | sylvanaar_work | morning |
| 10:18.49 | Adys | Maldivia: yeah. there has to be a way since the game supports tradeskill links, no? |
| 10:18.58 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 10:20.12 | Maldivia | I pasted a macro for you at some point with that info |
| 10:20.44 | Maldivia | Adys: try something like /run for _,i in next,{75156,81199,76666,51311,82774,74258,45363,80731,51296,74559} do local s=select(2,GetSpellLink(i)) print(s:gsub("(.*:)(.-)\124",function(a,b) return a..("/"):rep(b:len()).."\124"end)) end |
| 10:21.17 | Maldivia | that should generate link to all trade skills with every recipe learned |
| 10:21.18 | Adys | that relies on ids |
| 10:21.21 | Maldivia | I know |
| 10:21.49 | Adys | !api getspelllink |
| 10:21.50 | lua_bot | GetSpellLink: Returns a hyperlink for a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellLink) |
| 10:21.56 | Adys | Ohh |
| 10:21.58 | Adys | interesting |
| 10:22.04 | Adys | so there "is" a way |
| 10:22.16 | Adys | i just have to iterate through all spells |
| 10:22.17 | Maldivia | but it's the only easy way I know of to get the correct length of the trade-skill payload |
| 10:22.33 | Shirik | I especially like the desire to use 'next', Maldivia |
| 10:22.49 | Shirik | Despite that using pairs would have yielded exactly the same number of characters |
| 10:22.57 | Maldivia | Shirik: habbit :) |
| 10:23.25 | krka_ | Shirik: could solve it in #A_1 * #A_2 * #A_3 * ... * #A_N |
| 10:23.36 | krka_ | where # is number of definitions for the word in that column |
| 10:23.41 | Maldivia | Adys: if in a guild, you can also play with |
| 10:23.44 | Maldivia | !api QueryGuildMembersForRecipe |
| 10:23.45 | lua_bot | QueryGuildMembersForRecipe: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/QueryGuildMembersForRecipe) |
| 10:24.03 | Shirik | krka_: Sure, but that would just be brute force yes? |
| 10:24.09 | krka_ | pretty much |
| 10:24.24 | Maldivia | ohh well, QueryGuildMembersForRecipe(skillLineId, spellId) -- fires an event with the people in the guild that had that recipe (spellId) for that profession (skillLineId) |
| 10:24.27 | Shirik | In all honesty that's not too bad considering sentences aren't exactly long |
| 10:24.31 | Shirik | it's just not elegant |
| 10:25.04 | Shirik | then again there's always the problem with the "Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo" sentence |
| 10:25.09 | mitch0 | shirik: on a 1000 core cpu it would be lightning fast |
| 10:25.15 | Adys | Maldivia: yeah but that relies on having a guild n stuff |
| 10:25.25 | Maldivia | yep |
| 10:25.27 | krka_ | Shirik: is that a sentence you encounter often? |
| 10:25.29 | mitch0 | shirik: 99% of real ppl can't make any sense of that either |
| 10:25.39 | Shirik | krka_: I encounter it every time I run my unit tests! |
| 10:25.45 | Maldivia | Adys: it was just if you really wanted to use the skill line id for something :) |
| 10:26.00 | krka_ | how many defs of buffalo are there? |
| 10:26.06 | mitch0 | shirik: just hard-code a "go DIAF!!!" response for it |
| 10:26.07 | krka_ | 3? |
| 10:26.09 | Shirik | but really that unit test only exists to prove multi-selection works |
| 10:26.18 | Shirik | [Synset('american_bison.n.01'), Synset('buffalo.n.02'), Synset('buffalo.n.03'), Synset('old_world_buffalo.n.01'), Synset('buffalo.v.01')] |
| 10:26.56 | krka_ | 5^8 isn't so bad :) |
| 10:27.14 | Shirik | >>> [synset.definition for synset in wn.synsets('buffalo')] |
| 10:27.15 | Shirik | ['large shaggy-haired brown bison of North American plains', 'a city on Lake Erie in western New York (near Niagara Falls)', 'meat from an American bison', 'any of several Old World animals resembling oxen including, e.g., water buffalo; Cape buffalo', 'intimidate or overawe'] |
| 10:27.22 | Shirik | to be more specific |
| 10:28.02 | Shirik | yeah it's not |
| 10:28.09 | Shirik | And we will only ever deal with one sentence at a time |
| 10:28.32 | Shirik | lua> 5^8 |
| 10:28.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 390625 |
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| 10:28.37 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 10:28.40 | Shirik | that's a lot higher than I thought |
| 10:28.46 | Mike-N-Go | What Shirik WHAHT?!? |
| 10:28.52 | Shirik | even at 1ms per computation that would be 390 seconds |
| 10:29.13 | mitch0 | shirik: paralellize! |
| 10:30.29 | krka_ | 1 ms is way too slow |
| 10:30.39 | krka_ | could do it in 1 ns per combination i think |
| 10:30.47 | krka_ | (precalculate the function of course) |
| 10:30.52 | krka_ | err |
| 10:30.56 | krka_ | 1 microsecond i mean |
| 10:32.49 | Shirik | 1000 iterations of path_similarity took 0.479 sec |
| 10:32.55 | Shirik | so it's a little under 0.5ms |
| 10:33.42 | krka_ | you only need N * (N - 1) / 2 calls to path_similarity |
| 10:34.04 | Shirik | ah true |
| 10:34.16 | krka_ | err sorry, not completely accurate |
| 10:34.32 | krka_ | need to figure out all definitions first |
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| 10:35.45 | krka_ | first you extract the value matrix, then you do a simple brute force scan :) |
| 10:35.55 | Shirik | buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo -- 8 choices |
| 10:35.59 | Shirik | er, 8 words |
| 10:36.19 | Shirik | first words can connect to 7 other words, next connects to 6 others, and so on |
| 10:36.29 | krka_ | this doesn't really take order into account does it? |
| 10:36.33 | krka_ | or proximity |
| 10:36.39 | Shirik | no |
| 10:36.43 | krka_ | shouldn't you do a grammatical analysis först? |
| 10:36.45 | krka_ | *first |
| 10:36.47 | Shirik | We do |
| 10:36.50 | krka_ | (först is swedish btw :P) |
| 10:38.35 | Maldivia | først :) |
| 10:38.49 | Shirik | honestly we probably won't end up implementing this considering it's due next week |
| 10:38.59 | Shirik | it's just a fun "further efforts" concept |
| 10:40.04 | Shirik | It's words like these that really concern me |
| 10:40.07 | Shirik | >>> wn.synsets('visit') |
| 10:40.08 | Shirik | [Synset('visit.n.01'), Synset('visit.n.02'), Synset('visit.n.03'), Synset('visit.n.04'), Synset('sojourn.n.01'), Synset('visit.v.01'), Synset('travel_to.v.01'), Synset('visit.v.03'), Synset('visit.v.04'), Synset('inflict.v.01'), Synset('chew_the_fat.v.01'), Synset('visit.v.07'), Synset('visit.v.08') |
| 10:40.29 | Shirik | in actuality it doesn't matter which one we pick out if 'visit' is correct |
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| 10:40.49 | Shirik | but if we really were supposed to pick out something that doesn't have its root form as 'visit' then there's a problem |
| 10:41.06 | Shirik | because then when our response tries to conjugate the word we get something really strange |
| 10:41.24 | Shirik | My favorite one it's doing recently is trying to output "classes" |
| 10:41.29 | Shirik | but it realizes the output is supposed to be plural |
| 10:41.35 | Shirik | so it turns it into "classeses" |
| 10:41.48 | Shirik | because at parse time we thought classes was the root word, not lass |
| 10:41.50 | Shirik | class* |
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| 10:47.52 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 10:48.01 | Fisker | going home sucks |
| 10:49.14 | Shirik | Fiskerq |
| 10:49.21 | Shirik | that was totally accidental, wow |
| 10:49.30 | Jamash | Fisker |
| 10:49.36 | Jamash | You can't go home again |
| 10:49.42 | Shirik | Also |
| 10:49.49 | Shirik | apparently there are 36 meanings for the word 'right' |
| 10:50.39 | Adys | !api getiteminfo |
| 10:50.40 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getiteminfo': GetTradeTargetItemInfo, GetItemInfo |
| 10:50.48 | Adys | !api GetItemInfo |
| 10:50.48 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 10:50.58 | Adys | !api GetSpellInfo |
| 10:50.58 | lua_bot | GetSpellInfo: Returns information about a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo) |
| 10:53.33 | Shirik | hi adys |
| 10:53.39 | Adys | hiii |
| 10:55.31 | Industrial | Shirik: right |
| 10:55.47 | Shirik | Industrial: Inorite? |
| 10:55.58 | Industrial | liektotally |
| 10:56.33 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:56.38 | Shirik | talk about overly-complicated definitions |
| 10:56.40 | Shirik | 'a turn toward the side of the body that is on the south when the person is facing east' |
| 10:57.41 | Mirrormn | is there a reason it couldn't have been "a turn to the right"? |
| 10:57.53 | Shirik | you never use the word in a definition! |
| 10:58.04 | Industrial | what if you turn left but do it so much that you do it three times |
| 10:58.08 | Industrial | you'd be facing the same direction |
| 10:58.13 | Industrial | thinking left was right |
| 10:58.23 | Mirrormn | so this is a definition for "right turn"? |
| 10:58.35 | Mirrormn | you still at least go from north to east instead of east to south =/ |
| 10:58.41 | Mirrormn | *could still |
| 10:58.43 | Shirik | I can't tell |
| 10:58.53 | Shirik | there's way too many things here for me to count |
| 10:59.06 | Mirrormn | wat |
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| 10:59.11 | Shirik | well really this isn't a dictionary |
| 10:59.12 | zenzio | who is turning? The person whose body is facing east? Someone looking at the person? |
| 10:59.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 10:59.24 | Shirik | the definitions it provides are just to help one pick out the appropriate lemma for the situation |
| 10:59.30 | Shirik | or to understand what the lemma conveys |
| 10:59.56 | zenzio | so in trying to explain the lemma, it's creating a dilemma for the reader |
| 11:00.15 | Mirrormn | I kill you. |
| 11:00.28 | Jamash | turn 90 degrees clockwise |
| 11:01.04 | zenzio | turn to galactic south plz |
| 11:01.07 | Jamash | Shirik |
| 11:01.14 | Jamash | Why do they call it the Xbox 360? |
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| 11:01.20 | Shirik | Yeah Mirrormn, that appears to be what it is |
| 11:01.21 | Shirik | http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&s=right&i=6&h=0000010000000000000000000000000000000#c |
| 11:01.27 | Shirik | Direct hypernym: "turn" |
| 11:01.36 | Shirik | so we would expect to normally see "turn right" for this lemma |
| 11:02.17 | Shirik | Full network: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&r=1&s=right&i=6&h=00000110000000000000000000000000000000#c |
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| 11:02.46 | Mirrormn | this is an inrtiguing resource3 |
| 11:02.57 | Jamash | it's very clever of them to use south and east in the definition, since you can't define left and right in purely abstract terms (except in terms of itself) |
| 11:03.41 | Shirik | Mirrormn: It's probably one of the most powerful advances in natural language processing lately |
| 11:04.02 | Mirrormn | I want one |
| 11:04.31 | Shirik | want one what? |
| 11:04.34 | Jamash | of course, trying to process natural language by using a dictionary is like trying to make an omelet using the handbook of chemistry and physics |
| 11:04.38 | Mirrormn | one art please! |
| 11:04.42 | Fisker | am i level 56 Shirik ? |
| 11:04.45 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: you think this could be a parser bug http://idlua.pastey.net/143423 |
| 11:04.51 | Shirik | Fisker, stop leveling a death knight |
| 11:04.58 | Fisker | it's a druid |
| 11:05.10 | Jamash | Your death knight is a druid? |
| 11:05.23 | Shirik | well all death knights had to be living sometime |
| 11:05.34 | krka_ | could be |
| 11:05.40 | krka_ | can you send the lua source? |
| 11:05.50 | krka_ | or atleast enough to trigger that behaviour |
| 11:05.58 | Shirik | krka_, that's not how open source projects work |
| 11:06.00 | krka_ | could be too many local variables? |
| 11:06.08 | Shirik | you're supposed to respond with "No my stuff is perfect" |
| 11:06.13 | sylvanaar_work | its a *huge* file |
| 11:06.18 | Fisker | maybe Shirik |
| 11:06.21 | Fisker | but i said it IS a druid |
| 11:06.22 | Fisker | not was |
| 11:06.33 | Jamash | it's a druidknight |
| 11:06.43 | krka_ | is the crash consistent? |
| 11:06.46 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 11:06.49 | sylvanaar_work | 100% |
| 11:07.03 | krka_ | if so, it should be possible to reduce code |
| 11:07.08 | krka_ | until the bug disappears |
| 11:07.14 | sylvanaar_work | its 500k |
| 11:07.22 | krka_ | hm i see |
| 11:07.27 | sylvanaar_work | where should i send it? |
| 11:07.32 | krka_ | could be too many locals |
| 11:07.36 | sylvanaar_work | could be |
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| 11:07.39 | krka_ | what does the regular lua compiler say? |
| 11:07.53 | krka_ | kristofer.karlsson@gmail.com |
| 11:08.03 | sylvanaar_work | well, its part of a working addon - so iam asuming it works for the lua compiler |
| 11:08.40 | sylvanaar_work | ill try though |
| 11:09.05 | krka_ | i can try doing it aswell |
| 11:09.14 | krka_ | just send me the code, and i'll add a test case in kahlua for it |
| 11:09.22 | sylvanaar_work | sent |
| 11:09.25 | krka_ | (reduced as much as possible) |
| 11:09.26 | Mirrormn | oh actually |
| 11:09.39 | Mirrormn | "(being or located on or directed toward the side of the body to the east when facing north)" is used later down on the page |
| 11:09.41 | Mirrormn | lawl |
| 11:10.39 | mitch0 | did the digital download price went down? the hard-copy version went down with approx 20% here |
| 11:10.43 | mitch0 | (cata) |
| 11:11.21 | krka_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.44 | Adys | is there a way to know whether the worldmap is showing? |
| 11:11.48 | Adys | !api worldmap |
| 11:11.48 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'worldmap': RefreshWorldMap, ShowMiniWorldMapArrowFrame, CreateWorldMapArrowFrame, InitWorldMapPing, GetQuestWorldMapAreaID, ShowWorldMapArrowFrame, CreateMiniWorldMapArrowFrame, PositionMiniWorldMapArrowFrame, UpdateWorldMapArrowFrames, PositionWorldMapArrowFrame |
| 11:11.51 | sylvanaar_work | krka is 60 an arbitrary value? |
| 11:11.58 | krka_ | yeah |
| 11:12.01 | krka_ | same as in the real lua code |
| 11:12.07 | sylvanaar_work | wierd |
| 11:12.21 | krka_ | not sure why it doesn't crash in the regular lua |
| 11:12.25 | krka_ | i'll investigate |
| 11:12.30 | Mirrormn | find the frame name, call IsVisible on it? |
| 11:13.23 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: yeah i just tested luac - p works |
| 11:14.04 | krka_ | me too |
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| 11:15.22 | Shirik | ok night |
| 11:18.19 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: src/luaconf.h:#define LUAI_MAXUPVALUES60 |
| 11:18.36 | krka_ | probably a bug in the kahlua parser though |
| 11:18.49 | sylvanaar_work | thats wierd |
| 11:19.34 | sylvanaar_work | how can it work in one and not the other |
| 11:19.50 | sylvanaar_work | the code is almost the same |
| 11:19.56 | krka_ | yeah |
| 11:20.06 | krka_ | obviously something is different |
| 11:20.10 | Jamash | the code is almost the same, which is why it almost works |
| 11:20.10 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
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| 11:23.46 | krka_ | Jamash++ |
| 11:25.07 | Fisker | i'm cold |
| 11:25.25 | Jamash | give lil ragnaros a hug |
| 11:26.52 | Jamash | I wonder how many people are using the wow sale to get themselves a recruit-a-friend mount and then letting the account lapse |
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| 11:31.28 | krka_ | what what it's worth, that file is a huge wtf in itsel sylvanaar_work |
| 11:31.33 | krka_ | still need to find the bug though :/ |
| 11:32.07 | sylvanaar_work | its NotesUNeed the addon |
| 11:32.22 | sylvanaar_work | the whole addon is in it |
| 11:33.20 | sylvanaar_work | i just wanted to test on a huge file, since opening large files is supposed to be slow in the IDE, i wanted to work on that |
| 11:33.45 | Jamash | the entire addon is in one file? gross |
| 11:34.10 | Adys | if I preorder the cataclysm digital upgrade, do I still get the occasion to upgrade to collector; and if I do, do I get my regular key back? |
| 11:34.12 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, its and older addon, the author is no longer working on it, someone is picking it up |
| 11:34.28 | Jamash | Adys: Yes, no. |
| 11:34.37 | Adys | hrm, that sucks |
| 11:34.52 | Jamash | blizzard's standpoint is "if you wanna throw away money go ahead" |
| 11:35.12 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: would be awesome to test compiling it with the LuaJ compiler |
| 11:35.29 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, thats true |
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| 11:36.01 | Bluspacecow | http://nmap.org/presentations/BHDC10/ |
| 11:36.03 | Bluspacecow | interesting |
| 11:36.11 | Bluspacecow | nmaps's scripting engine is Lua based |
| 11:36.33 | Adys | most scripting engines are lua-based |
| 11:36.46 | Bluspacecow | intresting |
| 11:36.52 | Adys | embedded ones in general |
| 11:37.12 | Adys | "heavier" ones tend to be python based, but at this point its usually more bindings than scripting engines |
| 11:37.24 | Adys | except the ones that deal with web content, those are usually js-based |
| 11:37.36 | krka_ | i hate sourceforge, why do people still use that? |
| 11:37.46 | Adys | because it's so awesome one one one |
| 11:37.59 | sylvanaar_work | my boss used to make fun of me because he had never heard of Lua, now someone he knows at another company was complaing that one of the developers wanted to use this unheard of language "Lua"...my boss was like, hey I heard of that... |
| 11:38.08 | Sentri | I made a pokemon game which has Lua for game logic and dataz :P |
| 11:38.29 | Sentri | hah |
| 11:38.40 | Jamash | lua is great if you want a language with no features |
| 11:38.55 | krka_ | wait, he made fun of you because he was ignorant about something? |
| 11:38.56 | Adys | assembly is great if you want a language with no features |
| 11:38.58 | krka_ | how does that work precisely? |
| 11:39.05 | Jamash | krka_: management |
| 11:39.18 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: yeah basically |
| 11:39.21 | Adys | krka_: that's usually called a "total douchebag" |
| 11:39.33 | Jamash | Adys: No, assembly has lots of features, they're just different on every system |
| 11:39.43 | Jamash | Lua has the same set of no features on every system |
| 11:39.47 | Jamash | that's portability |
| 11:39.59 | krka_ | hm luaj seems to have reached 2.0 or something, i need to compare that with what i'm running against |
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| 11:40.18 | sylvanaar_work | really, LuaJ got an update? |
| 11:40.45 | krka_ | a few months ago |
| 11:41.27 | sylvanaar_work | wow, thats going to be fun for me to merge in, since i used the parser code to build my ast |
| 11:42.04 | Industrial | D:! https://github.com/Industrial/luablog |
| 11:42.07 | sylvanaar_work | hope yours and his are similar |
| 11:42.19 | krka_ | somewhat similar |
| 11:42.21 | krka_ | i forked it |
| 11:42.35 | sylvanaar_work | yeah i know |
| 11:43.09 | Industrial | Every time someone says "I forked it" I have this image in my mind of someone getting impaled by a big fork |
| 11:43.18 | Jamash | Industrial: Do you hate yourself or something? |
| 11:43.21 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: what are your plans for 5.2? |
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| 11:43.39 | Industrial | Jamash: ehm in reply to what statement was that? |
| 11:44.00 | Napoleone | anyone had problems with textures dissappearing? |
| 11:44.08 | Jamash | Industrial: In regards to you writing a web stack in the worst language for text processing that I am aware of |
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| 11:44.17 | sylvanaar_work | have you seen the pink blocks in isle of conquest |
| 11:44.25 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 11:44.41 | Napoleone | it works... sometimes. |
| 11:45.24 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: none yet, waiting for lua 5.2 :P |
| 11:45.53 | Industrial | Jamash: Yes I hate myself. I like to reinvent the wheel and having played with like every scripting language out there with the web I want my little baby Lua to do it too :P |
| 11:46.30 | Industrial | Jamash: theres WSAPI but meh! I could do it myself :D |
| 11:46.49 | Jamash | You could write everything in machine language too |
| 11:47.03 | Jamash | or get out a breadboard and lay down discrete logic |
| 11:47.19 | krka_ | meh, mostly renamed classes in 2.0 |
| 11:47.35 | Jamash | or build a mechanical turing machine out of tinker toys |
| 11:47.47 | Industrial | the point here is not getting things done using the framework but get the framework there |
| 11:48.05 | Industrial | I'm not aiming to build a website NOW FAST! I'll pick rails or django for that :p |
| 11:48.29 | Jamash | oh cool they added __pairs and __ipairs |
| 11:48.33 | Jamash | I was wishing for that |
| 11:54.37 | Adys | Grr |
| 11:54.48 | Adys | how do I make pitbull anchor frames relative to the topleft? |
| 11:54.56 | Adys | they're drifting off when i resize |
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| 12:02.26 | Fisker | To use this key to activate the pet, simply follow these instructions: |
| 12:02.26 | Fisker | 1.Create a Battle.net account (or if you already have one, log in) at http://eu.battle.net |
| 12:02.31 | Fisker | isn't that kind of rhetorical? |
| 12:02.49 | Jamash | do you mean redundant? |
| 12:02.59 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: the luaj-2.0 compiler works |
| 12:03.00 | Fisker | no |
| 12:03.18 | Fisker | rhetorical because you need an account to buy the pey |
| 12:03.19 | Fisker | pet* |
| 12:03.31 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: i guess that is good news |
| 12:03.34 | Jamash | someone might gift one to you |
| 12:03.47 | Fisker | but someone didn't |
| 12:03.57 | Jamash | that's because you have no friends |
| 12:04.05 | krka_ | that depends i guess sylvanaar_work :) |
| 12:04.21 | Fisker | which is irrelevant Jamash |
| 12:04.22 | Fisker | also |
| 12:04.29 | Fisker | i had sexual intercourse with your mother |
| 12:04.47 | Fisker | you left me no other option |
| 12:04.56 | Legorol | does that mean that Jamash is your son? |
| 12:04.59 | Jamash | is that why she was crying |
| 12:05.03 | Fisker | i guess |
| 12:05.10 | Legorol | you should treat your son better! |
| 12:05.24 | Legorol | "Jamash, I *am* your father!" "Nooooooo...." |
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| 12:05.36 | Jamash | I'm probably older than Fisker |
| 12:05.53 | Industrial | Fisker: spacetime paradox by night. |
| 12:06.05 | Fisker | how old are you Jamash ? |
| 12:06.28 | Jamash | 29.38 |
| 12:06.45 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: i know, it means we have a bug - but at least we know for sure there is a fix |
| 12:06.47 | Legorol | Precision. I love it. |
| 12:06.55 | Fisker | hax Jamash |
| 12:07.01 | Jamash | I was messing around with wolfram alpha |
| 12:07.21 | Jamash | it won't tell me what "the world's shortest mountain" is :( |
| 12:07.23 | Legorol | hm, new patch today.. any idea what's in it? |
| 12:07.41 | Jamash | it's a data update, no exe changes |
| 12:08.13 | Legorol | how does that answer my question :S |
| 12:08.33 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127128418?page=3#42 |
| 12:08.38 | Sentri | there is no changes |
| 12:08.59 | Sentri | just fixes to existing files that were buggy for some users |
| 12:09.05 | Jamash | aka "blizzard fails at software distribution" |
| 12:09.10 | Sentri | yes |
| 12:09.58 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 12:10.02 | Legorol | Sentri: how can you type two contradictory sentences right after another |
| 12:10.04 | Legorol | a fix is a change |
| 12:10.10 | Jamash | speaking of which, does anyone know what's in the Data/Cache files? |
| 12:10.14 | bluspacecow | some users were pointing to the hot fixes blog say that was it |
| 12:10.21 | bluspacecow | non critical updates |
| 12:10.23 | Legorol | Jamash: thanks for the link, and yes i know, i am happy to explain |
| 12:10.23 | Jamash | Legorol: It's replacing data with the same data |
| 12:10.29 | Sentri | no changes to game mechanics I meant :P |
| 12:10.31 | Jamash | ergo, no changes |
| 12:10.35 | Legorol | Jamash: not with same data, with altered, fixed data |
| 12:10.45 | Legorol | obviously you aren't downloading the exact same thing as it was there before |
| 12:10.50 | Jamash | OR IS IT? |
| 12:10.52 | Legorol | a patch, even if it alters data and not code, is still a patch |
| 12:10.59 | Legorol | as for Data\Cache: |
| 12:11.19 | bluspacecow | its from the "applying non critical updates" |
| 12:11.35 | Legorol | this is how WoW patches now. You have a bunch of big MPQ files in Data and Data\enUS. those are the base files, they belong to an earlier build. |
| 12:11.40 | Jamash | yes I mean what is in the files in the cache directory |
| 12:11.40 | bluspacecow | Alright, here's the lowdown on the non-critical updates. |
| 12:11.40 | bluspacecow | It's optimizing game files by moving patched files into the patch cache MPQs. |
| 12:11.41 | bluspacecow | In addition it will perform some sound file conversions. |
| 12:11.52 | Legorol | your client downloads diffs relative to that, those are the wow-update-13287.MPQ files and such |
| 12:11.59 | bluspacecow | that would be what I just pasted in |
| 12:12.06 | Legorol | when the Launcher is creating "non-critical updates", it is performing base + diff = result |
| 12:12.11 | Legorol | the result is placed in the Data\Cache |
| 12:12.12 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1127128123?page=3#45 |
| 12:12.14 | Jamash | That's what I thought, which confirms my belief that blizzard fails at software distribution |
| 12:12.24 | Legorol | i think it's a neat system |
| 12:12.29 | Legorol | what's wrong with distributing diffs? |
| 12:12.32 | Jamash | for me to poop on |
| 12:12.37 | Jamash | nothing |
| 12:12.49 | Jamash | you're supposed to apply them and then delete the originals |
| 12:12.51 | Legorol | also, the client can generate patched files (base+diff) on the fly too |
| 12:13.16 | Legorol | so the cache also grows whilst playing |
| 12:13.18 | Jamash | instead we get (at least) two complete copies of everything + patches |
| 12:13.34 | Legorol | in terms of use of space, i agree it's less efficient |
| 12:13.45 | Legorol | but in terms of streamlining processes and allowing earlier plya, it's more efficient |
| 12:13.46 | mitch0 | disk is cheap though |
| 12:14.07 | Legorol | btw, you don't get two complete copies |
| 12:14.15 | Legorol | you have 1 copy (base), 1 diff and 1 patched version |
| 12:14.35 | Jamash | I hear 1+1 = 2 although I could be wrong |
| 12:14.40 | Legorol | hehe |
| 12:15.08 | Jamash | 1 base + 1 patched copy = 2 full copies |
| 12:15.45 | mitch0 | they should integrate hg |
| 12:16.13 | Jamash | that sounds like a terrible idea |
| 12:16.17 | Legorol | Jamash: that's true, however the old system did the same thing as well |
| 12:16.20 | Legorol | before 4.0 |
| 12:16.42 | Legorol | except that patched version lived in a giant patch.mpq file, which had to be recreated on each patch |
| 12:16.46 | Jamash | true |
| 12:16.52 | Legorol | so this is a slight improvement |
| 12:16.55 | Jamash | blizzard has always failed at software distribution |
| 12:16.58 | Legorol | actually big improvement imo |
| 12:17.05 | Legorol | well this system has redundancy |
| 12:17.15 | Legorol | file corruption is a very real issue with WoW (which is where they fail imo) |
| 12:17.20 | Jamash | yes |
| 12:17.32 | Legorol | but having said that |
| 12:17.46 | Legorol | there are million reasons why files can become corrupted, and it's a lot of data so it does happen, |
| 12:17.57 | Legorol | and you can reduce support costs a lot if you have a robust, redundant system |
| 12:19.07 | Jamash | I wouldn't describe any version of wow's data handling "robust" |
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| 12:30.31 | Adys | Jamash: I certainly would |
| 12:30.42 | Adys | Jamash: since 4.x, it's very robust |
| 12:31.04 | Jamash | which is why you have to delete your Cache folder every time a gnat sneezes to fix file corruption |
| 12:31.44 | bluspacecow | -_- yarrrr |
| 12:31.51 | Adys | oh |
| 12:31.54 | Adys | you're right |
| 12:31.58 | Adys | deleting Cache is soooo hard. |
| 12:32.05 | Adys | i much prefer the old way |
| 12:32.07 | Adys | you know? |
| 12:32.17 | Adys | run repair for 1 hour to get told "reinstall the fucking game" |
| 12:32.52 | Jamash | so you're saying that because the old way was terrible, upgrading to being merely bad makes it good? |
| 12:33.40 | Adys | clearing cache is a very common thing to do for most apps that ever hold a permanent cache |
| 12:33.45 | bluspacecow | i like grilled cheese on lemons |
| 12:33.52 | Jamash | That's how Microsoft tricks people into thinking they make good software |
| 12:33.57 | Adys | it's a trade-off between actually HAVING a cache and having a pointless cache. |
| 12:34.08 | Jamash | They release a 1.0 version that sets you house on fire and rapes your dog |
| 12:34.23 | Adys | if you're going to validate a cache every time you access it, it's pointless to even HAVE a cache. |
| 12:34.26 | Jamash | then they release a 2.0 version that only melts your computer and shaves your dog |
| 12:35.18 | bluspacecow | whats 3.0 ? |
| 12:35.29 | Jamash | then when the 3.0 version doesn't do anything fire or dog related, it's treated as a miraculous improvement |
| 12:36.33 | Jamash | Adys: Yes, it's pointless to even have a cache if it's going to be corrupted every time it's updated |
| 12:36.44 | Adys | grow a brain, call me when it's done |
| 12:37.20 | bluspacecow | you can grow brains |
| 12:37.22 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 12:37.31 | bluspacecow | my mind is blown |
| 12:37.35 | bluspacecow | and Fisker once killed a man |
| 12:38.36 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: well, since you're mind is blown, I guess it's a good thing you can grow brains :P |
| 12:38.40 | Maldivia | your* |
| 12:39.21 | Jamash | Adys: umadbro? |
| 12:40.34 | Adys | Jamash: no, you're just fucking clueless, and I don't argue on mechanics that require some form of thinking in a way or another with someone who hasn't got a clue about any of them. |
| 12:40.49 | Jamash | hemad |
| 12:41.23 | Adys | i don't see where you're getting that from but ok. |
| 12:42.32 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 12:42.38 | bluspacecow | <_< |
| 12:42.48 | Kalroth | I got 99 problems but a cache aint one |
| 12:42.48 | bluspacecow | ~trout Adys |
| 12:42.48 | purl | ACTION slaps Adys around a bit with a large trout! |
| 12:42.54 | bluspacecow | ~staple Adys |
| 12:42.54 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Adys quite well, and hands Adys to bluspacecow |
| 12:43.04 | Adys | Kalroth: you got much more than 99 problems love |
| 12:43.13 | Jamash | I worked for the US 2010 census |
| 12:43.14 | Kalroth | Jamash: maybe you should try fixing your computer if your cache breaks so often |
| 12:43.24 | Jamash | everything payroll related was done in batches of 25 timesheets |
| 12:43.34 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 12:43.45 | Jamash | frequently, someone would give us an inconsistent timesheet (hours didn't add up, overlapped, unapproved overtime, etc) |
| 12:44.02 | bluspacecow | on the tech support forums deleting the Data\Cache folder is one of like the top #5 fixes |
| 12:44.25 | Jamash | this would require us to call the person, mess around with numbers, pull completed batches out and rejigger them, etc |
| 12:44.53 | Adys | bluspacecow: with a 17gb game patched bi-monthly at least, makes sense |
| 12:45.01 | Kalroth | bluspacecow: out of all errors on the internet, fixing broken/overheating/dirty hardware is one of like the top #5 fixes |
| 12:45.07 | Jamash | every time I successfully fixed a terrible batch I was tempted to stand up and say "I GOT 99 PROBLEMS BUT A BATCH AIN'T ONE" |
| 12:45.12 | Kalroth | Adys: my installation is 24gb :( |
| 12:45.20 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 12:45.23 | Jamash | Kalroth: Try deleting your cache |
| 12:45.39 | Kalroth | no, its some lock files that it makes |
| 12:45.42 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 12:45.42 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 12:45.46 | Adys | Kalroth: http://paste2.org/p/1117646 |
| 12:45.51 | Kalroth | wowpatch.333.lock |
| 12:45.59 | bluspacecow | wot |
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| 12:46.12 | Kalroth | Adys: yes that is the distribution packages |
| 12:46.19 | Jamash | lock files are 0kb |
| 12:46.25 | Kalroth | Adys: im talking about the installation (hence my choice of word: installation) |
| 12:46.26 | bluspacecow | where did you get wowpatch.333.lock from ? |
| 12:46.29 | bluspacecow | keylogger ! |
| 12:46.35 | Kalroth | bluspacecow: random number, I'm at work! |
| 12:46.36 | Adys | i dont like your choice of word |
| 12:46.44 | Kalroth | Adys: i dont like your butt |
| 12:46.46 | Kalroth | LOL |
| 12:46.47 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: sample down to 567 lines now :) |
| 12:46.49 | Kalroth | yes i said it! |
| 12:46.53 | Adys | Kalroth: suck it up! |
| 12:46.54 | Adys | and i mean it! |
| 12:46.56 | Kalroth | no |
| 12:46.56 | Adys | literally! |
| 12:46.59 | Adys | please I want you to. |
| 12:47.08 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: that helps lol |
| 12:47.16 | Kalroth | Adys: You filthy Python user |
| 12:47.27 | Adys | dirty boy! dirty dirty dirty! |
| 12:47.40 | Jamash | Adys: You're trying to justify something by saying it works. It doesn't work. ??? |
| 12:47.49 | Kalroth | Jamash: it works for me |
| 12:47.54 | mitch0 | jamash: you're almost as bad as cide |
| 12:48.00 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: i feel confident in reducing this a bit |
| 12:48.03 | Kalroth | I've never had cache gnats, maybe you should check your $5 hardware! |
| 12:48.04 | Adys | Kalroth: if you read that in Morgan's voice from futurama, you win |
| 12:48.14 | Kalroth | Adys: I say that every day at work |
| 12:48.22 | Kalroth | Adys: "But it works on my developer machine!!" |
| 12:49.32 | Jamash | my sister does QA for lucasfilm's software department, and she's constantly having to pull programmers over to her machine to see that yes, in fact, it does do what she says it does |
| 12:49.50 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: pretty weird actually, removing some really plain lines removes the bug symptoms |
| 12:50.06 | Adys | Jamash: see above; grow a brain and then we can talk about this, till then i really dont wanna give you examples that are just going to rot instantly in your earwax before they reach any cell that could process them. |
| 12:50.54 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: strange |
| 12:50.55 | Adys | but you're the perfect lambda user who's going to QQ that "the game is slow wtf!" |
| 12:51.02 | Jamash | Adys: Tell me about your mother. |
| 12:51.25 | sylvanaar_work | you guys are cute |
| 12:51.33 | Kalroth | sylvanaar_work: no YOU'RE CUTE |
| 12:51.38 | Adys | no you're cute |
| 12:51.39 | Kalroth | LOL, yes i said it |
| 12:51.45 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
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| 12:51.51 | Jamash | Adys: Do you lash out at random users on IRC because she didn't love you as a child? |
| 12:52.16 | Kalroth | Jamash: No, Adys isnt random, he's being very selective. He only picks dumb targets! |
| 12:52.29 | Kalroth | (because he might win a contest of wit against those!) |
| 12:52.30 | Jamash | I hope you don't mind me badgering the witless. |
| 12:52.47 | Adys | thats why Kalroth and I are bbbf (best butt-buddies forever) |
| 12:52.53 | Kalroth | ya |
| 12:52.57 | Kalroth | im dumb and he's .. HEY |
| 12:54.04 | Jamash | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0 |
| 12:54.27 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: hm, not really, i guess those lines actually referenced upvalues outside the function |
| 12:54.34 | krka_ | so removing them reduced the upvalue count |
| 12:55.18 | Jamash | down with upvalues |
| 12:56.20 | krka_ | up with downvalues! |
| 12:56.31 | Jamash | SMASH THE STACK |
| 12:56.38 | Fisker | i just came Jamash |
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| 12:57.37 | Jamash | Fisker: remember to use buffer protection when smashing the stack |
| 12:58.04 | Fisker | ok? |
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| 13:05.20 | sylvanaar_work | the intellij guys really like git: http://blogs.jetbrains.com/idea/2010/11/intellij-idea-10-rc-%E2%80%94-git-log-got-hot/ |
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| 13:12.02 | Nobgul | Servers down for maint today? Or are we lucky? |
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| 13:15.20 | krka_ | not as hot as bob loblaws law blog |
| 13:16.04 | Nobgul | 0-O |
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| 13:17.17 | sylvanaar_work | its funny they go down for maint today, but we got the patch yesterday |
| 13:18.02 | krka_ | 363 lines... |
| 13:19.03 | sylvanaar_work | probably all upvalues |
| 13:19.06 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 13:20.00 | krka_ | yeah |
| 13:21.45 | Nobgul | Rain of Chaos cast by the warlock versions of Severed Essence in Icecrown Citadel was doing substantially more damage than intended and has been adjusted. |
| 13:22.01 | Nobgul | ^^^ I woudl think so it 1 shot my 90k health tank. |
| 13:22.06 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:22.14 | Nobgul | It hit him for 130k |
| 13:23.50 | Nobgul | It was fun to watch 1/2 a raid get 1 shoted, Until it happened a 2nd time. |
| 13:24.39 | haste | the rain of chaos in BT was doing 60k the other day |
| 13:24.42 | haste | fun stuff |
| 13:25.19 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:26.06 | msoul | Hmm |
| 13:26.18 | msoul | I cannot tell what ouf layout is it |
| 13:26.24 | msoul | that is included in tukui |
| 13:26.52 | msoul | does anyone know which layout is it |
| 13:27.14 | Nobgul | ITs a customized cael layout |
| 13:27.18 | Nobgul | Its the same one i use |
| 13:27.57 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9974.html |
| 13:27.58 | Nobgul | i think |
| 13:28.51 | msoul | thanks |
| 13:29.03 | msoul | although I haven't had a protrait |
| 13:29.13 | msoul | will get it now, thanks again |
| 13:29.27 | Nobgul | hrmm. Yer niviya or a layout close to that is similiar as well |
| 13:30.00 | Nobgul | there are so many lol |
| 13:30.12 | msoul | true |
| 13:30.22 | msoul | will search for the seond you suggested |
| 13:30.25 | msoul | didn't find it |
| 13:30.32 | msoul | sec |
| 13:31.06 | msoul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14423-oUF_Nivea.html |
| 13:31.11 | msoul | could be it, will try both |
| 13:31.23 | Nobgul | i found it |
| 13:31.24 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:31.25 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14423-oUF_Nivea.html |
| 13:31.27 | Nobgul | ^^ |
| 13:31.37 | Nobgul | It is it. I just looked at the tukui code |
| 13:31.41 | Nobgul | He modified it though |
| 13:31.52 | msoul | the latter? |
| 13:32.20 | Nobgul | It looks like he took 2 ouf layouts and used them both =P |
| 13:32.28 | msoul | oh |
| 13:33.03 | Nobgul | smooshed them |
| 13:33.14 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17444-oUF_Gdx.html |
| 13:33.22 | Nobgul | is susposed to be a ripoff lol |
| 13:33.28 | msoul | :o |
| 13:33.31 | msoul | :/ |
| 13:34.54 | Nobgul | I was using http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11078.html |
| 13:35.12 | Nobgul | For a long time very nice gui config. But eh |
| 13:37.10 | msoul | looks nice |
| 13:39.45 | Nobgul | yes it is. the reiad frames are grid like. And I didn't feel like editing code. So i went with cael's layout. Fits my ui a bit better |
| 13:39.49 | Nobgul | raid8 |
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| 13:41.59 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0036EH3U2 |
| 13:42.01 | sylvanaar_work | wtb |
| 13:42.28 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220706&posted=1#post220706 |
| 13:42.34 | Nobgul | If you want to see my latest wip |
| 13:43.17 | Jamash | I'll finish my elegant, spare, visually coherent UI shortly after the heat death of the universe |
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| 13:44.03 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 13:44.04 | msoul | Nobgul neat |
| 13:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | dances around Esamynn with a silly party hat! |
| 13:44.17 | Nobgul | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Nobgul |
| 13:44.37 | Nobgul | Yer msoul, I was tired of everything looking like it was just kinda floating nowhere |
| 13:44.53 | msoul | Nobgul might end up using tukui only |
| 13:44.56 | msoul | Nobgul hehe |
| 13:47.40 | Nobgul | I have alot of respect for tukui, But i prefer to set up my ui so i knwo whats in it. |
| 13:49.24 | Nobgul | One thing i will say is his ui only uses a small ammount of memory, But I don't need to worry abut that. |
| 13:50.03 | Jamash | I prefer to write my own wow client in machine language on a hardware platform of my own design |
| 13:50.28 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:50.59 | Jamash | I also write my own server and multibox all the players on it |
| 13:51.32 | msoul | k Mr Anderson |
| 13:51.34 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5177&d=1288895588 <---- my wifes ui |
| 13:51.52 | Jamash | it's very... magenta |
| 13:52.28 | Nobgul | Yea lol. Petrah calls it neon hooker color |
| 13:52.30 | Nobgul | =P |
| 13:52.39 | msoul | if you didn't say my wife I'd thought it's nancy's ui :P |
| 13:52.51 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 13:52.58 | Fisker | me |
| 13:53.16 | angayelle | og gosh your wife's ui killed my eeys |
| 13:53.23 | msoul | lol |
| 13:53.30 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:53.46 | Nobgul | She likes it /shrug |
| 13:54.00 | Jamash | :reskiF |
| 13:54.06 | angayelle | i'm sure you could have it flashing randomly for more hooker style |
| 13:54.17 | angayelle | like a broken neon |
| 13:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | wow. Pink! |
| 13:54.55 | Nobgul | lol angayelle, ill work on that. Although when her dbm flashed it is pink =P |
| 13:55.39 | angayelle | i'm pretty sure you could kill some epilectic people if you can achieve that |
| 13:56.53 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:01.22 | |Jelly| | Going back to tukui for a second, I was pretty impressed when Outfitter used more memory than his whole UI. Made me giggle. Now, ONWARD TO THE PINK UI-NESS! |
| 14:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I need some sweet TukUIness! |
| 14:03.02 | |Jelly| | I've edited mine pretty heavily, but thus far, I like it quite a bit. |
| 14:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | I edit things up as well... but if people are impressed, it's worth seeing what it's all about. |
| 14:04.31 | Nobgul | There are some nice mod's to tukui out there. And lots of addon skins as well |
| 14:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | you can skin your skin? |
| 14:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 14:05.39 | Nobgul | Sure |
| 14:06.09 | bluspacecow | its called tattoos loppy |
| 14:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | I soooooo very want a tattoo. I even know what, and where, and who will do it. I'm just too chicken to go get it. |
| 14:07.48 | bluspacecow | Geek is me. In Binary. On the back. |
| 14:07.51 | bluspacecow | is my guess |
| 14:08.04 | angayelle | i will just make a whole texture over my ui and do Texture:SetBlendMode with ADD and pink color |
| 14:09.08 | Lopeppeppy | 3 tail kitsune, in blackwork, on the shoulder. |
| 14:09.48 | angayelle | right left ? |
| 14:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | I will prefer my left shoulder, but I believe that my doctor will advise my right shoulder so as not to aggravate the nerve issues on the left side. |
| 14:11.29 | angayelle | listen to the doctor |
| 14:11.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I know. Darn him and his impeccable logic. |
| 14:12.38 | angayelle | hey, you're in geekness and coding, logic is your everyday bread |
| 14:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | P.S., I have a mild gluten intolerance and should AVOID bread products. :P |
| 14:13.01 | Jamash | I'm waiting until I can get a robot body with programmable epidermal pigment |
| 14:14.00 | angayelle | if only there was a tatoo print machine with high resolution |
| 14:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Frak that, I want my girlfriend to do it for me, she's good. |
| 14:15.17 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nv13PQWS5E&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:15.20 | angayelle | what is her max resolution ? |
| 14:15.40 | Lopeppeppy | She's very resolute, I've never known her to break a promise. |
| 14:16.07 | angayelle | ehe |
| 14:20.10 | Adys | any idea why Kate would complain about this? |
| 14:20.11 | Adys | table.foreachi( {...}, storeAsMethod ) |
| 14:20.29 | Adys | (as in: bug in the syntax highlighter or actual bad code?) |
| 14:21.07 | Jamash | probably because there is no table.foreachi |
| 14:21.28 | Adys | lua> table.foreach |
| 14:21.29 | lua_bot | Adys: function: 0x84262e8 |
| 14:21.31 | Adys | lua> table.foreachi |
| 14:21.31 | lua_bot | Adys: function: 0x8254320 |
| 14:21.44 | Jamash | well, they're deprecated |
| 14:22.00 | Adys | ah, that makes more sense |
| 14:22.57 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: http://pastey.net/143428 |
| 14:24.38 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: lol thats alot of upvalues |
| 14:25.22 | sylvanaar_work | kinda makes you think about the consequences of making everything local |
| 14:25.52 | krka_ | notice he has a "locals" table |
| 14:25.58 | krka_ | probably because he ran into the 60 local limit |
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| 14:27.32 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: still have to wonder why it works for standard lua |
| 14:27.46 | krka_ | bug in kahlua parser |
| 14:27.53 | krka_ | trying to narrow it down |
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| 14:29.03 | sylvanaar_work | what happens if you take out 1 upvalue |
| 14:29.12 | Ackis | hey guys |
| 14:29.17 | Ackis | I got attacked by deathwing |
| 14:29.19 | Ackis | and I lived |
| 14:29.32 | Ackis | and I got the achievement for getting killed |
| 14:29.57 | zenzio | reported |
| 14:31.09 | Ackis | :) |
| 14:31.34 | krka_ | sylvanaar_work: it compiles again |
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| 14:31.49 | krka_ | sometimes |
| 14:31.59 | Ackis | hi EthanCentaurai <3 |
| 14:32.06 | EthanCentaurai | hi Ackis <3 |
| 14:32.36 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 14:32.43 | Fisker | "cancer in the balls" |
| 14:32.58 | Adys | We don't have balls. |
| 14:33.35 | Thunder_Child | we know you dont Adys |
| 14:33.43 | EthanCentaurai | your mum doesn't have balls Fisker |
| 14:34.07 | krka_ | interesting, if i remove an upvalue at this point, i get a runtime crash instead |
| 14:34.52 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/2010030112bf011.jpg |
| 14:35.56 | EthanCentaurai | lol |
| 14:35.58 | Adys | mikma: if you're gonna link old stuff, at least link the original :P |
| 14:36.03 | Adys | http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1406 |
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| 14:36.15 | mikma | adys: no u |
| 14:36.25 | Adys | hey |
| 14:36.26 | Adys | mikma |
| 14:36.26 | Adys | http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ |
| 14:36.30 | mikma | adys: no u |
| 14:38.21 | Adys | blues with a hint of mikma's mother |
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| 14:39.03 | unfo- | Adys, awesome. thanks! :D |
| 14:39.18 | Adys | unfo-: what, the DHD link or the xkcd one? :P |
| 14:40.02 | unfo- | Adys, xckd |
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| 14:40.07 | Adys | hehe |
| 14:40.34 | unfo- | also the dhd pic which is used in the blog post |
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| 14:44.41 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: only thing i can think of is that f.numUpvalues is 1 based or something |
| 14:46.14 | krka_ | found the problem |
| 14:46.23 | krka_ | it's a unsigned / signed thing |
| 14:46.32 | sylvanaar_work | really? |
| 14:47.01 | krka_ | yes |
| 14:47.11 | krka_ | not sure why i had a (byte) there at all... removing it now |
| 14:47.32 | krka_ | bug fixed! |
| 14:47.40 | Legorol | the best bugs are the fixed bugs? |
| 14:48.01 | Xinhuan | what are you doing krka? |
| 14:48.04 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 14:48.37 | Mirrormn | the best bugs are the bugs that disappear when you try to look at them |
| 14:49.26 | krka_ | the best bugs are the reproducable |
| 14:49.28 | Legorol | no, because your users can still see them.. and they keep annoying you with it |
| 14:49.29 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: the (byte) at 144 and 145? |
| 14:49.40 | krka_ | yeah |
| 14:49.44 | sylvanaar_work | both? |
| 14:49.54 | krka_ | both are wrong |
| 14:49.57 | krka_ | not sure if both caused the problem |
| 14:49.58 | sylvanaar_work | kk |
| 14:50.38 | sylvanaar_work | so strange that fixed an index out of bounds exception |
| 14:51.00 | krka_ | fix pushed to github now |
| 14:51.03 | krka_ | if you're interested |
| 14:51.14 | krka_ | i really need to clean up the parser |
| 14:51.33 | krka_ | plain ports from c to java are painful to look at |
| 14:55.19 | zenzio | http://media.e24.no/archive/01388/ipad_vs_iphone_1388200t.jpg - interesting comparison picture of the iPhone (4) release vs. iPad release in Norway |
| 14:55.55 | sylvanaar_work | it loaded that 500k file lightning fast too |
| 14:56.15 | Adys | ffs |
| 14:56.26 | Adys | how do i move backwards 150000 lines in less? |
| 14:56.39 | Jamash | h |
| 14:56.40 | zenzio | hm... |
| 14:56.41 | Adys | :y150000 just moves forward |
| 14:56.44 | sylvanaar_work | krka_: good job on that fix, i still dont know how that caused the exception |
| 14:57.08 | krka_ | basically, it failed to detect when an upvalue was referenced |
| 14:57.12 | Jamash | did you try :y-150000 |
| 14:57.13 | Nobgul | g is for go to. |
| 14:57.13 | krka_ | so it thought it was a new one |
| 14:57.52 | Adys | Jamash: it captures - as a special char and just stops parsing after 1 |
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| 14:58.50 | Lunessa | station |
| 14:59.13 | Nobgul | Adys try k |
| 14:59.20 | Nobgul | :k1500 |
| 14:59.22 | Nobgul | err |
| 14:59.29 | Nobgul | :k150000 |
| 14:59.53 | Adys | Nobgul: it captures "k", goes back one line and writes only 150000 |
| 15:00.02 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 15:00.40 | Nobgul | weird. |
| 15:00.48 | Nobgul | ^K:150000 |
| 15:01.06 | Adys | same, it captures as soon as i hit it |
| 15:01.25 | Nobgul | your less is more and is broken =P |
| 15:01.34 | Jamash | 150000y |
| 15:01.51 | Adys | bingo |
| 15:01.52 | Adys | thanks |
| 15:02.00 | Jamash | you're welcome |
| 15:03.04 | Jamash | Commands marked with * may be _preceded_ by a number, N. |
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| 15:04.21 | Adys | INSERT INTO "answers" VALUES(12965,591,1267426677.0,112,250,172,'light green; i guess what my lime yogurt would look like, if there were such a thing'); |
| 15:06.07 | Adys | INSERT INTO "answers" VALUES(27683,1489,1267429622.0,136,18,92,'the kind of reddish-purple you see on cheap whores'' lipstick'); |
| 15:07.35 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 15:08.13 | Adys | INSERT INTO "answers" VALUES(36932,1945,1267432663.0,173,71,19,'my dentist''s office orange. i still remeber his dandruff slowly wafting into my gaping jaw.... memories'); |
| 15:08.42 | Adys | out of 1.5mil answers, I randomly stopped on one of the 15 that were featured |
| 15:08.54 | Adys | runs off to buy a lottery ticket |
| 15:08.58 | Elkano | reminds me of this: http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ |
| 15:09.21 | Jamash | yes because that's where it's from |
| 15:09.47 | Adys | Elkano: .. im reading the sql dump from that page :P |
| 15:09.53 | Elkano | oh ^^ |
| 15:09.58 | angayelle | tss tss |
| 15:10.03 | Adys | INSERT INTO "answers" VALUES(37561,1945,1267432829.0,109,97,121,'children''s chewable grape tylenol vomit.... i can still taste it'); |
| 15:10.04 | Adys | ugh |
| 15:10.09 | Adys | stops reading |
| 15:10.19 | angayelle | real pro read the dump, not the results |
| 15:11.32 | Adys | VALUES(39507,2116,1267433511.0,86,215,13,'green, i typod fuschia previously and feel cros'); |
| 15:11.33 | Adys | hah |
| 15:12.16 | Rockso | does anyone has an idea why I don't get lua error messages in a distinct part of my addon? |
| 15:12.34 | Adys | Rockso: have you considered your code may be running fine? |
| 15:12.44 | Jamash | someone's overridden the error handler? |
| 15:12.46 | Rockso | no, it downst run fine |
| 15:15.10 | Rockso | even if I call print("...");error(), "..." is printet but I dont get an error message |
| 15:15.57 | angayelle | noob question : do you have lua errors enabled ? |
| 15:16.15 | Rockso | yes, i have lua errors enabled |
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| 15:16.59 | angayelle | that's settled then, which errors do you expect to have ? |
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| 15:18.38 | Rockso | don't know, somewhere is an error, but without error messages it's hard to debug |
| 15:19.49 | angayelle | myabe because something prevent your code from being executed thus having an error poping |
| 15:20.18 | Rockso | maybee its because the part of code ist called by the OK button in the config panels, but why whould blizzard suppress error messages there? |
| 15:20.25 | angayelle | like forgot to register events or not declaring a file in the toc, dunno |
| 15:20.47 | Computerpunk | <Rockso> even if I call print("...");error(), "..." is printet but I dont get an error message |
| 15:20.51 | Computerpunk | It got registered. |
| 15:20.53 | Computerpunk | It's not throwing error. |
| 15:21.12 | angayelle | there is no reason for the code not to generate errors with using ok button, |
| 15:21.36 | Computerpunk | Although, it should, if explicitly told to. |
| 15:21.46 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:21.57 | angayelle | what is the function of error() ? |
| 15:22.27 | Computerpunk | Throws your own custom exception iirc. |
| 15:22.27 | Computerpunk | sec. |
| 15:22.36 | Computerpunk | error("error message",level) - Throws an error with the given error message. Use pcall() (see below) to catch errors. |
| 15:22.47 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 15:22.50 | Computerpunk | pcall(func, arg1, arg2, ...) - Returns a boolean value indicating successful execution of func and the error message or func's results as additional values. |
| 15:23.21 | angayelle | it outputs to errorframe by default ? |
| 15:24.01 | Fisker | sneezes Computerpunk |
| 15:24.34 | Computerpunk | Yes. |
| 15:25.04 | Fisker | hey |
| 15:25.20 | Fisker | i would get that checked if i were you |
| 15:25.20 | Computerpunk | Hi2u. |
| 15:25.45 | Computerpunk | angayelle, it does. Do error("stuff"); |
| 15:25.51 | Computerpunk | Rockso, try adding text inside error |
| 15:26.09 | angayelle | ehe i would if i could, ain't got a client on that comp |
| 15:26.11 | Computerpunk | It gives you UNKNOWN ERROR if there's no text inside. Therefore, it might not work. |
| 15:26.42 | Computerpunk | Fisker, get you checked? |
| 15:26.46 | Computerpunk | Kay, brb, scheduling. |
| 15:27.12 | Rockso | I still don't get an error message |
| 15:27.26 | Computerpunk | Do /script error("...") |
| 15:27.37 | Computerpunk | if it doesn't show up, you've got errors disabled. |
| 15:27.43 | Computerpunk | bugsack is capturing mine |
| 15:28.07 | Computerpunk | inb4 fisker. |
| 15:28.11 | Rockso | in other parts of my addon I get error messages |
| 15:28.46 | Computerpunk | robokitty, can you put code on http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ ? |
| 15:28.49 | angayelle | care to share the code then ? |
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| 15:30.28 | Rockso | hmm, which part of it? its to much code |
| 15:30.57 | Fisker | 8nm chips in 2017 is scar |
| 15:30.59 | Fisker | scary |
| 15:31.00 | Fisker | :o |
| 15:31.06 | Fisker | want |
| 15:31.42 | Computerpunk | Well, code which calls the function which outputs the error. |
| 15:32.07 | Rockso | that whould be blizzard code |
| 15:32.30 | Rockso | its called by the config panel ok button |
| 15:32.57 | Computerpunk | hmm |
| 15:33.09 | Computerpunk | you sure it's print() then error()? |
| 15:33.28 | Fisker | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/11/30/see-subversion-at-world-of-love/#more-45162 <-you need to see this |
| 15:33.30 | Computerpunk | nothing else inbetween which might kill? |
| 15:33.53 | Rockso | yes I'm sure |
| 15:33.58 | angayelle | the OK button calls a function that you can define in your code, if you don't define anything at all then it just close the window and do nothing else |
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| 15:34.44 | Rockso | I know, the function is called, but i dont get error messages inside the function |
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| 15:36.52 | Rockso | there are some pcall(...) inside InterfaceOptionsFrame.lua, thats probably the reason |
| 15:37.19 | Rockso | local function InterfaceOptionsFrame_RunOkayForCategory (category) |
| 15:37.19 | Rockso | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.19 | Rockso | end |
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| 15:39.00 | mitch0 | fisker: that guy needs to get out more |
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| 15:47.10 | bluspacecow | brother soft at it again |
| 15:47.11 | bluspacecow | :] |
| 15:47.13 | bluspacecow | :\ |
| 15:47.14 | bluspacecow | http://www.brothersoft.com/games/world-of-warcraft-cartographer-add-on.html |
| 15:47.20 | harl | wuff! |
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| 15:48.31 | krka_ | wuphf! |
| 15:49.42 | zenzelezz | is there no companion or anything for the 6th Anniversary achievement? |
| 15:49.56 | Ackis | nope |
| 15:49.57 | bluspacecow | negative |
| 15:50.03 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 15:50.04 | zenzelezz | then why even have one :-| |
| 15:50.07 | bluspacecow | i mean yes |
| 15:50.16 | bluspacecow | cause otherwise that would be a double negative = postive |
| 15:50.29 | Ackis | they said they wanted the pets to be for milestones or something like that |
| 15:50.31 | bluspacecow | yes there is no companion or anything else for the 6th anniversy |
| 15:50.55 | zenzelezz | Ackis: I'd not call the Onyxia whelpling part of a milestone, but that's their call |
| 15:53.11 | cog|work | morning |
| 15:54.49 | Ackis | hi cog |
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| 15:57.32 | cog|work | bleh... the biggest, oddest-shaped window in our house cracked over the weekend |
| 15:57.56 | cog|work | i'm guessing due to the cold but it may have been my kitteh |
| 15:58.17 | dardack | wuphlf |
| 15:59.51 | Jamash | rawr |
| 16:03.17 | Ackis | you threw your kitty at the window cog|work? |
| 16:03.56 | cog|work | yes, from 70 miles north.... |
| 16:04.00 | cog|work | </sarcasm> |
| 16:04.09 | Ackis | :O |
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| 16:10.38 | bluspacecow | wow cog |
| 16:10.41 | bluspacecow | thats some skill. |
| 16:11.05 | cog|work | yeah and to do that with only a 6" crack rather than smashing the whole window.... |
| 16:11.13 | cog|work | polishes his fingernails on his shirt |
| 16:13.10 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 16:13.19 | bluspacecow | are you going to shimmy now ? |
| 16:13.57 | bluspacecow | *waits for cog|shimmy* |
| 16:13.57 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 16:17.55 | sylvanaar_work | lol wtf http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FDVMS6 |
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| 16:20.40 | angayelle | it's because you misstyped "cock strap" into "cock trap" |
| 16:21.01 | angayelle | or you were looking for "cock trap" ??? eww |
| 16:21.30 | sylvanaar_work | im just lookng through the cyber week deals |
| 16:21.59 | angayelle | yeah riiiiiiiiight, we all know that |
| 16:22.06 | sylvanaar_work | =S |
| 16:24.09 | bluspacecow | i note how there is a seat with a suspicious apparatus pointed towards the crotch area. |
| 16:25.13 | sylvanaar_work | yeah |
| 16:25.50 | sylvanaar_work | "The trap, which includes slip-in legs that slide easily into a 2-inch trailer hitch..." |
| 16:26.10 | sylvanaar_work | its just too funny |
| 16:26.25 | nicoli_s | man i love finding the source of bugs/performance issues |
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| 16:26.54 | bluspacecow | the user. |
| 16:27.02 | sylvanaar_work | ^ |
| 16:28.19 | Lulia | I've been stuck on a particularly annoying bug in my AddOn for awhile now. :( |
| 16:28.33 | sylvanaar_work | =( |
| 16:28.36 | Lulia | The worst part is I have no way to test it. |
| 16:28.43 | sylvanaar_work | i hate those kind |
| 16:28.51 | bluspacecow | you hire 50 monkeys |
| 16:28.57 | bluspacecow | to do stupid stuff with your addon |
| 16:29.14 | sylvanaar_work | i have bugs in prat's battle.net conversations, but I am not opening another account just to test them |
| 16:29.21 | sylvanaar_work | i already have 2 |
| 16:30.11 | Lulia | Mine is with my Spell Table for Balance druids to track Virtual Eclipse |
| 16:30.24 | Lulia | I don't actually have an 80 Balance druid, which seems to be where the problem surfaces. |
| 16:30.31 | Lulia | And the test realm isn't up anymore :-/ |
| 16:30.41 | sylvanaar_work | thats tricky |
| 16:31.04 | Lulia | I made an internal error tracking system, in order to help others help me |
| 16:31.15 | Lulia | But none of the information I have it gather has helped me figure it out. |
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| 16:31.47 | Lulia | I don't know if I'm not thinking about it correctly or if I'm not looking at getting the information the right way. |
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| 16:40.03 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_18907_the-5-hardest-most-pointless-world-warcraft-achievements.html |
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| 16:43.37 | airtonix | #1: playing world of warcraft |
| 16:46.46 | Ackis | I have 3/5 of those achievements, and the only reason I don't have 4/5 is because I wasn't around when they added it to the game (the bb one) |
| 16:47.12 | Arrowmaster | you have scarab lord? |
| 16:47.42 | Ackis | no |
| 16:47.46 | Ackis | that's the 5/5 I won't get |
| 16:47.52 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 16:48.05 | Ackis | Xinhuan probably has all 5 of them |
| 16:48.22 | Xinhuan | ??????? |
| 16:48.36 | nevcairiel | I wonder, do i still have my BB gun from 2009s winter veil |
| 16:48.42 | nevcairiel | i should check! |
| 16:49.06 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_18907_the-5-hardest-most-pointless-world-warcraft-achievements.html Xinhuan |
| 16:49.34 | Xinhuan | old crafty is an achievement? lol |
| 16:50.10 | Ackis | there's one for old iron jaw and old crafty |
| 16:50.12 | Arrowmaster | you dont have that one? |
| 16:50.16 | Ackis | part of salty I thought? |
| 16:50.26 | Adys | not anymore |
| 16:50.36 | Xinhuan | i don't remember it |
| 16:50.41 | Arrowmaster | was never part of the title |
| 16:50.50 | Adys | it used to be, in some way |
| 16:50.52 | Xinhuan | in any case, i do have more achs than most people |
| 16:50.57 | Adys | because they used to be part of The One That Got Away |
| 16:51.02 | Adys | and then they got split off it |
| 16:51.08 | dardack | anyone that was on beta know if this will work GetRealZoneText() == "Vashj'ir" |
| 16:51.21 | Adys | dardack: it'll work and I dont recommend it. |
| 16:51.27 | dardack | what do you recommend |
| 16:51.30 | Adys | GRZT is localized, you don't want that |
| 16:51.39 | dardack | GetZoneText isn't |
| 16:51.41 | dardack | ? |
| 16:51.42 | Xinhuan | it'll work, if you get that localized text |
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| 16:51.50 | Xinhuan | from the GetMapContinents or whatever function |
| 16:51.53 | Xinhuan | they match |
| 16:51.59 | Arrowmaster | no they dont |
| 16:52.12 | Xinhuan | they do, because that's how GatherMate used to do it for 2 years |
| 16:52.14 | dardack | is there an api that returns the English and not localized? |
| 16:52.35 | Adys | use the id from map info or some shit |
| 16:52.37 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 16:52.50 | airtonix | libGetShit |
| 16:52.53 | dardack | !api map |
| 16:52.53 | lua_bot | Found 71 possible matches for 'map'. Please be more specific |
| 16:53.21 | Xinhuan | the reason why GetRealZoneText is also needed is partly because it isn't affected by what zone is being displayed by the world map |
| 16:53.23 | nevcairiel | Adys: the problem with the id from map info is that its stateful with the world map |
| 16:53.33 | Lulia | So, uh, apparently you get better xp in the old world now than you do in Outlands :P |
| 16:53.36 | nevcairiel | you switch the world map to another zone, the return changes |
| 16:53.39 | Xinhuan | ^^^ |
| 16:53.44 | nevcairiel | only GetRealZoneText does not depend on the map |
| 16:53.48 | Xinhuan | that's why we use GRTZ() |
| 16:54.01 | nevcairiel | And, it matches up with GetMapZones |
| 16:54.07 | Adys | set map by id, get the name, set it back and match it from there |
| 16:54.07 | nevcairiel | or whatever is the name of the function |
| 16:54.26 | dardack | !api mapzone |
| 16:54.27 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'mapzone': GetMinimapZoneText, GetMapZones, GetCurrentMapZone |
| 16:54.34 | dardack | !api getmapzones |
| 16:54.35 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/findit/blob/master/FindIt/FindIt.lua#L154 |
| 16:54.35 | lua_bot | GetMapZones: Returns the map zones for a given continent (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMapZones) |
| 16:54.56 | Xinhuan | GRZT() also has a problem - it isn't synced with the event that changes the current zone |
| 16:55.00 | Xinhuan | so an OnUpdate is required |
| 16:55.31 | dardack | so there is no easy way to tell if in Vash? |
| 16:55.36 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 16:55.41 | Xinhuan | no easy way |
| 16:55.51 | Adys | you could check for the buff... |
| 16:55.51 | Xinhuan | you can make assumptions though |
| 16:55.54 | dardack | !api getcurrentmapzone |
| 16:55.54 | lua_bot | GetCurrentMapZone: Returns the current world map zone (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapZone) |
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| 16:56.37 | airtonix | oh man |
| 16:56.42 | Silvanas | So does anyone know can a EditBox frame contain an Editbox frame as child (like behind it but same size and such), i know stoopid but i got an idea whit it :P |
| 16:56.55 | Xinhuan | i don't see why not Silvanas |
| 16:56.59 | airtonix | i just ran out of lube |
| 16:57.09 | Adys | Silvanas: probably, but whatever you're doing it sounds like a bad idea |
| 16:57.11 | Xinhuan | an editbox is just a frame, like any other frame |
| 16:57.13 | dardack | what buff adys? |
| 16:57.25 | Adys | dardack: the vashjir buff, but i wouldnt do it like that |
| 16:57.28 | Xinhuan | and you can parent any frame to any other frame (as long as no cycles are created) |
| 16:57.29 | angayelle | no lubricant can lead to severe damage, airtonix, beware |
| 16:58.20 | Lulia | Why would you want to do that, Silvanas? |
| 16:58.33 | Adys | dardack: as i said: https://github.com/Adys/findit/blob/master/FindIt/FindIt.lua#L154 |
| 16:58.57 | Silvanas | a problem i habe whit my double editBox is that it does seem to exist the globla name space varialbe does exist of a table whit userdata and is not nil but when i so SetText i see nothing (no errors) |
| 16:59.06 | dardack | adys where does the ID get passed from? |
| 16:59.28 | Lulia | I've had problem using setext with editboxes before |
| 16:59.29 | Adys | dardack: somewhere else, irrelevant here, it's just the zone id |
| 16:59.40 | Xinhuan | Adys, that method isn't full proof - first off, it shouldn't be done if the world map is current open |
| 16:59.41 | Adys | for vashjir that would be.. |
| 16:59.42 | dardack | !api getmapinfo |
| 16:59.42 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getmapinfo': CommentatorGetMapInfo, GetMapInfo |
| 16:59.42 | Adys | 613 |
| 17:00.11 | Adys | Xinhuan: yeah im supposed to check for that elsewhere; but if it's done on login ONCE it's safe enough |
| 17:00.31 | Xinhuan | secondly, setting the map to the current zone also fires off an event - it shouldn't be done regularly |
| 17:00.35 | Adys | that way you get the perfect name/id/what-shit and can stop worrying about checking buffs or what not |
| 17:00.47 | Adys | its not supposed to be done regularly, just once to save the info |
| 17:01.02 | Xinhuan | that's why we now have LibMapData-1.0 |
| 17:01.34 | Silvanas | Lulia: i did call show() just tobe sure and i do see the parent editbox, and also i did set a font :P |
| 17:01.43 | airtonix | praise the lawd! |
| 17:02.15 | Adys | Xinhuan: please god no |
| 17:02.25 | Adys | not another of these libs that mirrors all the dbcs in lua |
| 17:02.40 | Lulia | Oddly enough, the only time I got SetText to work with an edit box |
| 17:02.43 | Adys | clogs memory with huge tables and needs to be updated every minor patch.. |
| 17:02.44 | Lulia | Was when I didnt use the template |
| 17:02.53 | dardack | wait 'm dumb |
| 17:02.57 | Xinhuan | Adys, it obtains the data from the API |
| 17:03.10 | Xinhuan | and also contains some internal data |
| 17:03.14 | Xinhuan | to allow for zone conversions |
| 17:03.15 | Adys | Xinhuan: cat library.lua disagrees |
| 17:03.17 | Silvanas | i also tryed insert() but stil noting on my screen sadly |
| 17:03.17 | dardack | can't i do IsUsableSpell(75207) |
| 17:03.25 | Xinhuan | that data is overwritten |
| 17:03.25 | dardack | since that's only usable in vash? |
| 17:03.27 | Xinhuan | by the API |
| 17:03.32 | dardack | and the whole reason i'm checking for vash anyways |
| 17:03.33 | Xinhuan | so its kept up to date automatically |
| 17:03.41 | Xinhuan | you didn't look hard enough |
| 17:03.43 | Adys | Xinhuan: ugh. |
| 17:03.46 | nevcairiel | Adys: it wouldnt be required if we could get that data in game, so whats your point again? The data is needed to position stuff on the mini map properly, how else are we supposed to get it now ? :P |
| 17:03.47 | Adys | thats even worse |
| 17:03.55 | Xinhuan | the data was there because of pre-patch 4.0 |
| 17:03.59 | dardack | wait checking IsUsableSpell is worse? |
| 17:04.13 | Adys | nevcairiel, complain to blizzard harder then |
| 17:04.32 | Xinhuan | some of that data is needed in the library |
| 17:04.37 | Xinhuan | particularly for instance maps sizes |
| 17:04.47 | Xinhuan | because the API is inconsistent |
| 17:04.49 | nevcairiel | the zone sizes are not available via APIs, afaik |
| 17:04.52 | Xinhuan | its not 100% reliable |
| 17:05.05 | Xinhuan | also for the world continent maps, the sizes are unavailable |
| 17:05.07 | Xinhuan | via API |
| 17:05.08 | airtonix | Adys, do you have any lube i can borrow? |
| 17:05.19 | Xinhuan | the offset data is also unavailable |
| 17:05.27 | Xinhuan | to convert coords from one zone to another |
| 17:05.34 | Adys | ask blizzard to make it available. |
| 17:05.42 | Xinhuan | until that data and API is available |
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| 17:05.44 | Adys | present them with a good use case and all |
| 17:05.46 | Xinhuan | that's how the lib will remain |
| 17:05.51 | nevcairiel | I dont think any zone size is available in game |
| 17:06.19 | Adys | it took me 3 patches to convince them to implement GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED, try to beat that record :P |
| 17:07.04 | airtonix | Adys, plz hlp |
| 17:07.06 | Yoshimo | if someone has his charactername in the guildnote, chatter seems to write it doubled , as if it was an alt-name, and if i say "set mainchar" and leave the field blank to remove the double-entry, i get an error, because the field is empty |
| 17:07.59 | Yoshimo | xinhuan, are you talking about the fact that you can query zonesize from the api, but only for outdoor areas ? |
| 17:08.08 | Adys | airtonix: try ebay |
| 17:08.15 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:09.04 | airtonix | Adys, y u r nut gunna hlp me |
| 17:09.17 | Yoshimo | they could have made astrolabe and libmapdata redundant but they didnt^^ |
| 17:09.17 | Adys | find your own fucking lube. I need mine |
| 17:09.25 | Adys | splatters Kalr-- dammit hes not here |
| 17:10.08 | Silvanas | does anyone know this technical question: whit can i display this charecter ¦ in an editBox but noy in a fontstring ? |
| 17:10.09 | Xinhuan | astrolabe does even more |
| 17:10.20 | Silvanas | met that not the right charecter\ |
| 17:10.20 | Xinhuan | it is a library that also maintains minimap icons |
| 17:10.33 | Xinhuan | gatherer is an example addon, and handynotes another |
| 17:10.37 | nevcairiel | different fonts, most likely |
| 17:10.42 | Xinhuan | that uses astrolabe to position icons on the minimap |
| 17:10.50 | Xinhuan | tomtom also uses it |
| 17:11.12 | Xinhuan | so in a sense, libmapdata is just a subset of astrolabe |
| 17:12.31 | Silvanas | nevcairiel: yeh that what i though but it was same font :P its one of those specail charecters btw those that you do normaly type |
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| 17:13.27 | Lulia | Would be nice to figure out why EditBoxes sometimes work with SetText and sometimes don't :P |
| 17:14.22 | Xinhuan | SetText may fail to work if you have a OnTextChanged handler that modifies it |
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| 17:14.45 | Xinhuan | (would have to be careful not to trigger an infinite loop though) |
| 17:14.48 | airtonix | or if you are out of lube |
| 17:14.57 | Torhal | Silvanas: \127 is the ASCII code for the pipe char |
| 17:15.09 | Xinhuan | that's \124 torhal |
| 17:15.12 | Lulia | I've never used an OnTextChanged handler :P |
| 17:15.20 | airtonix | so you need to check |
| 17:15.23 | airtonix | if you are |
| 17:15.23 | Xinhuan | 127 is a blank char |
| 17:15.25 | airtonix | out of |
| 17:15.25 | Lulia | The only time SetText -has- worked was when I didn't use the template. |
| 17:15.26 | airtonix | lube |
| 17:15.33 | Torhal | Xinhuan: That's what I get for using things off the top of my head when I haven't yet had my second cup of coffee |
| 17:15.42 | Lulia | And set all of the font properties myself because of it |
| 17:15.53 | Xinhuan | don't use templates then? lol |
| 17:16.23 | Lulia | Well it's just the basic one that everyone uses. I'll have to devise my own way to represent it visually otherwise |
| 17:16.30 | Lulia | But that shouldn't be terribly difficult to do |
| 17:16.43 | Xinhuan | whats the bug? |
| 17:16.51 | Cide | hi |
| 17:17.14 | Adys | Hi Cide |
| 17:17.25 | Adys | why are you awake when im going to bed? |
| 17:17.34 | Cide | why is your sleep schedule royally fucked up |
| 17:17.55 | Adys | dude. |
| 17:18.04 | airtonix | out of lube |
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| 17:19.56 | TMc51 | Sup |
| 17:21.20 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel |
| 17:21.25 | Xinhuan | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26850260107&sid=2000 |
| 17:21.44 | Xinhuan | but they only work for non-instanced maps |
| 17:22.03 | Xinhuan | some maps also return nils, such as Dalaran |
| 17:22.30 | Xinhuan | and also of course return wrong values for certain outland zones |
| 17:22.40 | Xinhuan | that are on a supposed different continent (such as isle) |
| 17:23.15 | Cide | I just received 100mbit ^_^ |
| 17:23.23 | Xinhuan | and that Adys, is why map data is needed |
| 17:23.54 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: it won't be soon enough |
| 17:23.54 | Xinhuan | and only some data can be updated via code |
| 17:23.58 | jnwhiteh | that function only got half implemented |
| 17:24.04 | Xinhuan | exactly, it sucks |
| 17:24.08 | Xinhuan | that its only half done |
| 17:24.17 | jnwhiteh | well, it's all we could get |
| 17:24.54 | jnwhiteh | its a step in the right direction |
| 17:25.04 | jnwhiteh | if we can get rid of stateful maps, that will be a huge win. |
| 17:25.28 | Xinhuan | won't be soon, but we could expect to see a ton of map updates in 4.1 |
| 17:25.38 | Xinhuan | with the new map information and boss info/loot/abilities |
| 17:25.46 | jnwhiteh | well 4.1 isn't necessarily that far away *shrug8 |
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| 17:25.55 | jnwhiteh | I suspect we'll see the mythical 4.0.6 after the new year |
| 17:25.59 | Xinhuan | i'll say its at least 5 months away |
| 17:26.08 | jnwhiteh | that's nothing in blizztime :P |
| 17:28.20 | Xinhuan | hmmm peggle on sale today at $5 |
| 17:28.26 | Xinhuan | and monkey island 2 for 2.50 |
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| 17:29.05 | Xinhuan | and i gotta rofl, Trine 8-pack?? |
| 17:29.08 | Xinhuan | it isn't even multiplayer |
| 17:30.24 | Cide | yeah, some of them were very strange |
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| 17:34.44 | Dagmar | L4D2 was very worth the five bucks |
| 17:34.57 | Yoshimo | reminds me a bit of libhealcomm4& absorbs in cl , implemented by blizz, but not perfect yet |
| 17:36.44 | Silvanas | and it never will be perfect |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | lhc wasnt perfect either :p |
| 17:38.15 | nevcairiel | heal predictions dont have to be accurate anyway, if you know there is a heal coming, and the value is at least in the ballpark, then thats good enough |
| 17:38.54 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 17:44.05 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, |
| 17:44.12 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: , |
| 17:44.18 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, http://pastebin.com/e2ReFELE |
| 17:44.28 | airtonix | line 33 |
| 17:44.33 | airtonix | to 41 |
| 17:45.02 | airtonix | why is the CalendarIntent the only one to take effect on my AppWidget |
| 17:45.18 | jnwhiteh | no clue? |
| 17:45.24 | jnwhiteh | its been almost a year since I touched any Android code :P |
| 17:45.30 | airtonix | if i remove lines 33 to 36 then the alarm one works |
| 17:46.05 | airtonix | is it just me or is making android apps overly obtuse ? |
| 17:46.18 | airtonix | or is that just java in general ? |
| 17:46.42 | jnwhiteh | if you understand the model, people say its very straightforward |
| 17:46.48 | Lunessa | java in general. |
| 17:47.08 | Lunessa | But you have to think along faux OO lines. |
| 17:47.34 | jnwhiteh | hrm.. pets on sale |
| 17:47.41 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:5,c:33 |
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| 17:48.12 | Lunessa | must resist... |
| 17:48.24 | airtonix | i;ve never used java before so this is a fast uphill learning experience for me |
| 17:50.33 | Silvanas | java is for real programmers ! |
| 17:50.35 | Lunessa | if you did C++ it's not entirely alien. |
| 17:50.48 | Silvanas | java is more like c# tho |
| 17:50.50 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 17:50.56 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: |
| 17:50.58 | Fisker | i can fly!§ |
| 17:51.04 | jnwhiteh | huzzah! |
| 17:51.13 | jnwhiteh | i believe i can fly |
| 17:51.18 | jnwhiteh | i believe i can touch the sky |
| 17:51.29 | Fisker | it means my druid is level 60 |
| 17:51.49 | Lunessa | Silvanas: I didn't ever do C# and it didn't really exist when java was introduced. |
| 17:52.19 | Silvanas | So i got this editbox whit an editbox http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143438 while the inner EditBox ($parentBackground) does fire its OnTextChanged and the GetText() does return the right text it does not showup anywhere on my screen |
| 17:52.56 | Silvanas | wel yeh c# is sort of based on java :P |
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| 17:55.09 | nicoli_s | i wouldnt say based off java |
| 17:55.12 | nicoli_s | maybe inspired by |
| 17:55.48 | Silvanas | yeh that |
| 17:56.03 | Silvanas | so did anyone see what is wrong whit my editbox ? |
| 17:57.11 | angayelle | your pasted the whole code ? |
| 17:57.28 | angayelle | i mean there is missing closing text |
| 17:57.28 | Silvanas | i pasted what seemed relevent :P |
| 17:57.43 | Silvanas | below there are just <scripts> |
| 17:58.30 | angayelle | you have one your main editbox is not closed |
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| 17:58.56 | angayelle | the one within Frames is closed, start tag with end tag |
| 17:59.02 | angayelle | the main one isn't |
| 17:59.29 | angayelle | add </Editbox> at the end |
| 17:59.49 | angayelle | oh wait |
| 18:00.04 | angayelle | you said there is script afterward |
| 18:00.24 | angayelle | so the end tag is after the script i believe, right ? |
| 18:00.33 | syrae | Lunessa: haha <3 |
| 18:00.56 | syrae | The Dr. Who Owl is adorable |
| 18:01.13 | Lunessa | You're welcome. |
| 18:01.35 | Silvanas | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143439 <- there is the full file :P |
| 18:02.55 | syrae | Lunessa: reminds me of this http://pu-sama.deviantart.com/art/Doctor-Hoo-163575084 |
| 18:03.16 | Lunessa | syrae: Oh, that's good. |
| 18:05.04 | angayelle | silvanas, remind me why you use an editbox as parent frame ? |
| 18:06.32 | angayelle | also the virtual tag is used for templates usually, which means nothing will show up or does it ? |
| 18:06.47 | Silvanas | well this is spoiling it but i try to create a self made widget where i can insert soem text and also underline the text whit a different color like a red _____ below it of a background color for the text made out of for example blue squeres\ |
| 18:07.06 | Silvanas | i create the parent frame |
| 18:07.21 | Silvanas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.22 | syrae | Wait... addons can have spoilers? |
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| 18:07.41 | Silvanas | and thne Settext / SetSize SetPoint and Show |
| 18:08.14 | angayelle | oho |
| 18:08.32 | Silvanas | so the idea is that the parent frame is the actual editBox where i cna do Settext or Insert() and that there clild edit box is used for the bakcground |
| 18:09.04 | Silvanas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.04 | angayelle | you wanna have two edit box on top of each others, first one with text, second one with colored underlining ? |
| 18:09.18 | Silvanas | yeh |
| 18:09.31 | angayelle | ok i understand better |
| 18:09.54 | cog|work | hmmm... time to toon hop for anniversary achievement... |
| 18:10.20 | angayelle | i think you'd better have a normal parent frame and then 2 editbox with same coords within this frame |
| 18:11.04 | angayelle | that way you can change whatever attributes you want the same way for both editbox |
| 18:12.35 | Silvanas | yeh but then i cant do IngameAddonIDE_EditFrame:SetText("LOL") unless i ise metatables to redirect the function calls to the seperated dit boxes |
| 18:13.17 | Silvanas | becase IngameAddonIDE_EditFrame:SetText would thne be called on the plain normal parrent frame and not on the editbox :P |
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| 18:16.34 | angayelle | you can set a function in which you create the 2 editbox with a different name for each based on a concatenation like name.. "Text" and name.. "Under" |
| 18:16.43 | angayelle | don't know if i explain myself right |
| 18:19.20 | Silvanas | yeh so then i always have to call them seperatly, i was looknig for a more clean solution where from the outside my frame would look like an normal default textbox just whit a few extra function for setting the highlighting and underline :P |
| 18:19.59 | angayelle | and the same way with a new function with two SetText which change text based on another concatenation like : function DualSetText (text, framename); _G(framename .. "Text"):SetText(text); _G(framename .. "Under"):SetText(text); end |
| 18:21.06 | angayelle | with this function you set up text on 2 editbox with only two args, one for common editbox name part and one for the text |
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| 18:25.55 | Silvanas | yeh witch is why ill have to remake all wel msot of the function a EditBox handles but ill go that i just think ill go for a more generic aproch whit a metatable amd __index feild that that cals the function in both boxes whit a new "self" parameter |
| 18:26.59 | angayelle | well sorry if it didn't help that much |
| 18:27.27 | angayelle | other than that i don't really see what's wrong in your xml |
| 18:28.10 | Silvanas | no np i dont see what is wrong either :P i gues an edit box inside edit bos is jsut pusihng the limits :P |
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| 18:32.27 | kd3 | whee; back to a dual-head setup |
| 18:38.53 | angayelle | !api mastery |
| 18:38.54 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'mastery': GetTalentTreeMasterySpells, MASTERY_UPDATE, GetMastery |
| 18:39.04 | angayelle | !api Getmastery |
| 18:39.04 | lua_bot | GetMastery: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMastery) |
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| 18:40.57 | cog|work | lulz http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1083608815?page=12#236 |
| 18:46.36 | Ackis | I don't get what's funny |
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| 18:50.55 | Ackis | will deathwing be flying around all expansion, or just for these next couple of weeks? |
| 18:51.27 | kd3 | until we kill him in 4.3, from what I've been hearing |
| 18:53.17 | Ackis | so there should be ample time for people to get burnt by him eh? |
| 18:53.18 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGT4i-6mLXU |
| 18:55.53 | syrae | There's so many WTF quests in the game now |
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| 18:58.10 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i like number 53 |
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| 18:59.50 | Silvanas | !api setscript\ |
| 18:59.50 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'setscript\'. |
| 18:59.53 | Silvanas | !api setscript |
| 18:59.53 | lua_bot | ScriptObject:SetScript: Sets the widget's handler function for a script (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/SetScript) |
| 19:00.37 | Silvanas | does anyon know if SetScript check the type of script ? like can i put a OnTextChanced on a button ? |
| 19:01.13 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt error on you then it wont actually do anything |
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| 19:03.03 | Silvanas | i knowi know :P |
| 19:04.32 | angayelle | going bck home, laters people |
| 19:04.38 | airtonix | GOODBYE |
| 19:04.53 | airtonix | don't forget your lube |
| 19:05.01 | angayelle | and get some lube before it burns too deep, airtonix |
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| 19:05.20 | angayelle | i has lube on me at all times |
| 19:13.42 | Ackis | ~angayelle |
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| 19:13.58 | Ackis | purl, angayelle is i has lube on me at all times |
| 19:13.58 | purl | okay, Ackis |
| 19:14.10 | Ackis | ~angayelle |
| 19:14.10 | purl | i heard angayelle is i has lube on me at all times |
| 19:15.05 | durcyn | ~factinfo angayelle |
| 19:15.05 | purl | angayelle -- created by Ackis <~Ackis@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis> 1m 7s ago; it has been requested once, last by Ackis, 55s ago. |
| 19:15.14 | durcyn | i thought you had a girlfriend, Ackis |
| 19:15.59 | Ackis | I do |
| 19:18.52 | Fisker | rage Ackis |
| 19:19.28 | Ackis | why Fisker? |
| 19:19.32 | Ackis | did someone call you asskiss? |
| 19:20.36 | Fisker | i can't fuck up this usb pen |
| 19:21.47 | Ackis | Fisker: you need a girl |
| 19:22.12 | durcyn | preferably a sterile one. |
| 19:27.03 | Ackis | I wonder if we can make Fisker sterile? |
| 19:28.25 | zenzelezz | "Core game data is currently being downloaded." - why does the game say this sometimes, even though I've let it download and finish patching before I load the game? |
| 19:29.07 | Silvanas | becase today a 150 mb patch was released :P |
| 19:29.24 | zenzelezz | Silvanas: and I downloaded and patched it in before loading the game, like I just said |
| 19:29.56 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 19:30.00 | Silvanas | wel i got that problem aswle but my wow is unstale saying the file are curroped i got like a 50% chacne for ti try to dl a 5GB file and thne the downloader crashes |
| 19:30.11 | Fisker | this usb pen won't be formatted properly :( |
| 19:30.14 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 19:30.26 | zenzelezz | anyway, I was just curious =) |
| 19:33.29 | bleeter | got a picture outta my Kinect last night, surprisingly easy :) |
| 19:35.05 | Ackis | you liking the kinect bleeter/ |
| 19:35.37 | bleeter | Ackis: dunno, ain't got it to do much yet. I don't have an XBox, am hacking (well, 'will be') on the Kinect via libfreenect |
| 19:35.45 | Ackis | ah |
| 19:35.50 | Ackis | I don't have an xbox either |
| 19:35.52 | Ackis | it broke |
| 19:35.55 | Ackis | Fisker's fault |
| 19:35.56 | bleeter | :( |
| 19:36.09 | bleeter | Ackis: ? Surely it's cog|work's fault |
| 19:36.28 | cog|work | don't call me Shirley |
| 19:36.30 | cog|work | or something |
| 19:37.01 | bleeter | the zuckers sure wrote em, but neilsen made 'em immortal didn't he |
| 19:37.11 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 19:37.17 | Ackis | lol cog|work |
| 19:37.43 | cog|work | i had no idea he was the captain in forbidden planet until yesterday |
| 19:38.14 | bleeter | i had no idea he'd done screentest for Ben Hur |
| 19:38.43 | bleeter | I do know I can't watch the original poseidon adventure without death via laughter taking hold. |
| 19:38.45 | Silvanas | so as anfayelle advised i now have 2 seperated editboxes, both say thier test is set when i do GetText but neither of them actualy show up -- http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143444 |
| 19:39.13 | Ackis | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/11/30/1846255/Curious-NASA-Pre-Announcement?from=rss I vote for first contact |
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| 19:40.14 | cog|work | i vote for some unexpected levels of some chemical found on some moon of some planet |
| 19:40.22 | Ackis | no ALIENS! |
| 19:40.25 | cog|work | that MAY indicate the presence of life |
| 19:40.35 | bleeter | cog|work: my vote is mars |
| 19:40.43 | Ackis | their first message will be: Global warming is natural lulz |
| 19:41.01 | cog|work | bleeter: "we still haven't found where all this methane is coming from. therefore life." ? |
| 19:41.29 | bleeter | cog|work: 'the rovers have known this for the past two years, which is why we got such a huge extension' |
| 19:41.33 | Silvanas | i vote for Black Mesa ! |
| 19:41.37 | bleeter | 'we just needed to keep quiet an confirm' |
| 19:41.38 | cog|work | haha |
| 19:41.38 | bleeter | Silvanas++ |
| 19:42.17 | bleeter | my preference, however, is Mars Attacks. I've been practicing. ACK.... ACK ACK ACK |
| 19:42.48 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:42.51 | Fisker | comcast are jerks again |
| 19:42.57 | zenzelezz | I, for one, welcome our insect overlords |
| 19:43.45 | durcyn | comcast are only jerks because they specifically mentioned filtering video traffic, level 3 is jerks because they're offering CDN services and fucking up peering agreements |
| 19:43.59 | durcyn | not everything is black and white, Fisker, you're such a pollyanna |
| 19:44.18 | bleeter | my other bet is it's proof of the ol' douglas adams theory that the population of the universe is, in fact, 0 |
| 19:44.40 | bleeter | which really would be groundbreaking for astrobiology |
| 19:45.25 | zenzelezz | In space, pi is exactly three |
| 19:45.42 | Silvanas | are there any good UI developer addons these days? like i was a great fan ofdevtoll but its not continued |
| 19:45.52 | Silvanas | *devtools |
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| 19:46.08 | zenzelezz | did it break? |
| 19:46.49 | sylvanaar_work | parts of devtools are in the game now |
| 19:47.05 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/11/hiking_the_runway_teva_high_he.php |
| 19:47.11 | sylvanaar_work | like /framestack /dump |
| 19:47.15 | Cide | hi |
| 19:47.16 | Cairenn | omg |
| 19:47.47 | nicoli_s | ha, ill have to get my gf some of those |
| 19:47.56 | Cairenn | that's just stupid |
| 19:48.08 | mikma | http://www.newhighmart.com/images/shop/views/greyantxteva-5.jpg |
| 19:48.12 | mikma | you call this stupid? |
| 19:48.28 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:49.33 | Cairenn | that's just a heaping helpin of wtf |
| 19:49.49 | mikma | hehe |
| 19:53.23 | airtonix | YESSSS!!!! |
| 19:53.35 | nicoli_s | [13:54] Lachrisha: i want them! <- my gf likes em |
| 20:01.38 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:01.39 | Cairenn | http://writing.arbeitssprache-englisch.com/2009/11/15/16-dangers-of-surfing-the-web/ |
| 20:04.50 | TMc51_ | it's lacking in trolls |
| 20:05.09 | Cide | trawls |
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| 20:18.44 | Silvanas | so is anyone here skilled whit basic wow xml :P |
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| 20:19.09 | Silvanas | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143448 <- that editbox wont how anywhere on my screen but :IsVisiable is 1 |
| 20:19.14 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 20:19.44 | Lunessa | A visionary coward tells us that anger can be power, as long as there's a victim on TV. |
| 20:21.37 | kd3 | whee; almost two expansions later -- blessed medaalion of karabor |
| 20:22.12 | Cide | Silvanas: size, visibility, anchor |
| 20:22.17 | Cide | are the criteria |
| 20:22.21 | Cide | you checked one and extrapolated |
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| 20:29.07 | Silvanas | ehh i set the size on the parent, mgiht not set size on its child i got to test that, the anchor should to its parent that is visable. as for visibility its parent is :Show() so it should also count for its child right ? |
| 20:31.29 | Silvanas | dahm thank you Cide! it was the size :P i though it would take over the size of its parent if none was set :P |
| 20:31.38 | Dezzimal | ackisrecipelist and skillet seem to have some kind of major conflict :( |
| 20:32.01 | Ackis | bloody ackis recipe list! |
| 20:32.23 | Dezzimal | 60 second client hang whenever I open a profession + disconnected from server once it un-hangs |
| 20:32.23 | kd3 | that know-nothing bastard wrote a pretty messed up addon |
| 20:32.46 | Dezzimal | probably skillet's fault |
| 20:33.00 | Ackis | most likley |
| 20:33.14 | Ackis | @project skillet |
| 20:33.15 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/skillet/. Skillet. Game: WoW. yossa (Manager/Author), lilsparky (Author), nogudnik (Former author). Updated: 6 days ago. Tickets: 27/118 |
| 20:34.15 | Ackis | I haven't followed what Skillet's done in a while |
| 20:34.37 | Dezzimal | bugfixes and general maintenance afaik |
| 20:34.46 | Dezzimal | nothing majorly new |
| 20:35.22 | Ackis | he did ask for the new ARL API |
| 20:35.26 | Ackis | stuff got changed |
| 20:42.25 | bleeter | nsfw http://dailytasvir.blogspot.com/2010/11/smallest-manhoods-of-world-competition.html |
| 20:43.09 | Ackis | bah fiancee's computer makes a screeching noise, does some weird graphics shit, then crashes |
| 20:43.26 | TMc51_ | Sounds like overheating |
| 20:43.41 | Ackis | just turned on |
| 20:43.50 | Baps | my cousin had the same issue, turns out the heatsink on the video card had detached entirely |
| 20:44.03 | Baps | which causes overheating pretty quickly |
| 20:44.13 | TMc51_ | yeah, modern CPUs can get to about 50C+ in just seconds after being turned on |
| 20:45.03 | Ackis | apparently it was "really dirty inside" |
| 20:45.29 | syrae | wonders if detached heat sink + massive dust bunnies can == fire |
| 20:45.46 | TMc51_ | Yes, yes it could. |
| 20:45.53 | syrae | awesome |
| 20:46.06 | syrae | I'd like to try that at some point |
| 20:47.05 | bleeter | Ackis: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/ and the updated http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/18/ventblockers_2/ |
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| 20:48.03 | TMc51_ | bleeter: looking at those pics reminds me of when somebody dropped a PC off for me to fix. Turns out they were a smoker, and the whole inside had about 8 years of smoke residue caked onto everything. |
| 20:48.33 | Ackis | ewwww |
| 20:48.40 | Ackis | I don't think ours were that bad bleeter |
| 20:48.49 | bleeter | Ackis: she's not trying hard enough! |
| 20:50.01 | Silvanas | !api OnFocus |
| 20:50.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnFocus'. |
| 20:50.06 | Industrial | I'm so going again next time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMM59XNMPM |
| 20:50.06 | Silvanas | you fails ! |
| 20:50.12 | Ackis | we have 4 cats and a dog, so their fur gets... caught |
| 20:50.15 | nicoli_s | wow, my pc actually looks slightly clean next to those |
| 20:50.33 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 20:50.36 | Shirik | It's quite simple |
| 20:50.38 | Shirik | kill the cats |
| 20:50.40 | Shirik | they are worthless anyway |
| 20:50.41 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:50.44 | nicoli_s | buhuh |
| 20:50.47 | nicoli_s | nuhuh* |
| 20:50.47 | Shirik | dogs > cats |
| 20:50.48 | Ackis | I just spent $1300 getting one fixed |
| 20:50.50 | nicoli_s | no way |
| 20:50.53 | Ackis | dogs = cats |
| 20:50.56 | Shirik | > |
| 20:50.57 | Ackis | they both love me |
| 20:50.58 | TMc51_ | Ackis: You have your PC on or near the floor, don't you? |
| 20:51.07 | nicoli_s | cats > dogs |
| 20:51.10 | Ackis | TMc51_: yeah |
| 20:51.19 | TMc51_ | dogs > cats 'nuff said |
| 20:51.20 | Shirik | nicoli_s I think you're using the wrong character set encoding |
| 20:51.29 | Shirik | Your > keeps looking like it's written the wrong way |
| 20:51.31 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:51.53 | nicoli_s | dogs would be cool if they had a thought in their head other than food,love,toy,sex,shit |
| 20:51.54 | syrae | boys > dogs & cats |
| 20:52.00 | syrae | I like pet boys |
| 20:52.03 | Ackis | you like boys? |
| 20:52.07 | syrae | well-trained ones, at least |
| 20:52.10 | Ackis | it did it to her again :( |
| 20:52.13 | Shirik | and cats? |
| 20:52.14 | Ackis | after loading wow |
| 20:52.16 | Shirik | Cats are |
| 20:52.19 | Ackis | sighs |
| 20:52.22 | Shirik | sleep,sleep,sleep,sleep,sleep |
| 20:52.27 | durcyn | there you go with gender-normative stereotypes again, Ackis |
| 20:52.30 | Shirik | *pour food in bowl* /sleep |
| 20:52.31 | nicoli_s | some cats are like that |
| 20:52.36 | TMc51_ | Ackis: definitely sounds like overheating. Is it powering off right away? |
| 20:52.37 | nicoli_s | my cats are far more animated than that |
| 20:52.46 | Shirik | get up and stretch THEN sleep? |
| 20:52.56 | syrae | One of my cats is the guild scapegoat. |
| 20:52.57 | nicoli_s | they are sneaky, and occasionaly spiteful |
| 20:53.02 | Ackis | TMc51_: within 30 seconds of loading WoW... did the OS fine though |
| 20:53.02 | nicoli_s | youll never see a dog be spiteful |
| 20:53.10 | syrae | Can't sign up on the raid calendar? It's my cat's fault! |
| 20:53.29 | durcyn | Ackis: run a memtest. |
| 20:53.55 | Ackis | can't do that atm |
| 20:53.59 | durcyn | do it anyway. |
| 20:54.00 | Ackis | (aka she can't do it) |
| 20:54.25 | TMc51_ | Sounds like the BIOS is shutting power to keep it from frying. |
| 20:58.51 | syrae | Today's weird video.... a real life quidditch match.. on brooms and everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR2DW5IGax0 |
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| 21:00.32 | Cide | hi |
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| 21:05.27 | Nobgul | Hiya |
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| 21:07.09 | TMc51 | Anybody have any recommendations for headsets around $40-$60? Had mine die out this morning. |
| 21:08.22 | Dagmar | Logitch "Premium" USB Laptop Headset |
| 21:08.39 | Dagmar | Goes around the back of the head, light as hell, has it's own DSP In an USB dongle |
| 21:08.51 | Dagmar | Usually sells for less than $40USD actually |
| 21:08.57 | TMc51 | I hate those around the neck types. |
| 21:09.06 | Dagmar | I don't like things messin' up my hair |
| 21:09.18 | TMc51 | I'm currently looking at a pair of those new Sound Blaster 3D Alphas that just released a few weeks ago. |
| 21:09.39 | Ackis | don't buy anything from creative labs |
| 21:09.40 | TMc51 | http://www.creative.com/soundblaster/tactic3d/alpha/ |
| 21:10.21 | TMc51 | I typically do avoid them like the plague, but I tried some of their surround sound tournament headsets recently at a friends, and the quality is fairly decent. |
| 21:11.09 | Ackis | I have their HS-1200 wireless headset |
| 21:11.14 | Ackis | cord broke |
| 21:11.26 | Ackis | said it would cost me more than a new headset to get the cord replaced |
| 21:11.33 | Ackis | so I should go buy a new one |
| 21:11.47 | Ackis | I responded with ok I'll be buying a new logitech then |
| 21:11.49 | Cide | they get an instant no from me simply because the specifications page's table's color scheme is retardedare all retarded |
| 21:11.51 | Dagmar | What I use http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104397 and there's a cheaper version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104213 |
| 21:11.56 | Cide | s/retardedare all retarded/retarded/ |
| 21:12.24 | Dagmar | ...although the cheaper one doesn't have a USB dongle so your sound card winds up doing the work |
| 21:13.02 | Arrowmaster | doesnt a sound card do a better job than a usb dongle though? |
| 21:13.11 | TMc51 | Usually |
| 21:13.20 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 21:13.38 | TMc51 | a decent sound card will always be better than USB |
| 21:13.48 | Dagmar | Mainly it depends on what's in the dongle, but if you have a cheap-o integrated sound chipset on your mainboard, you're better off with a secondary USB chipset to do the muxing |
| 21:14.06 | TMc51 | Yeah |
| 21:14.15 | Dagmar | And "always better than USB" is wrong. |
| 21:14.26 | Ackis | I wouldn't call the onboard sound "cheap o" anymore |
| 21:14.29 | Arrowmaster | i saw a thing recently comparing integrated sound chips and it said that the ones no a days are actually fairly good |
| 21:14.29 | TMc51 | crappy built-in soundcards always sound like crap compared to even the cheap USB controllers |
| 21:14.38 | Dagmar | There are some hardcore USB audio dongles out there |
| 21:14.49 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: that's what I'm getting at, you can get 7.1 with onboard |
| 21:14.55 | Ackis | and it's decent |
| 21:14.58 | Ackis | IMO at least |
| 21:15.00 | Dagmar | Where do you get the other 5.1 ears? |
| 21:15.02 | nevcairiel | Ackis: you had a cord in a wireless headset? |
| 21:15.11 | Ackis | nevcairiel: recharging cable |
| 21:15.13 | TMc51 | probably for the charger |
| 21:15.28 | Ackis | and for the bluetooth dongle, it was a weird set up |
| 21:15.51 | Dagmar | I've _yet_ to find a bluetooth headset I could stand |
| 21:15.57 | nevcairiel | I need a new one too. I've had a small one thats fine for the occasional skype and whatnot, but i noticed now that i'm playing more, its really uncomfortable wearing for hours |
| 21:16.14 | Dagmar | Yeah that's why I got the light behind the neck style |
| 21:16.20 | Dagmar | Floppy Ear Syndrome is annoying |
| 21:16.45 | TMc51 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826279001 is what I've been using the past year and a half. the things were fairly comfortable for 12 hours or more. |
| 21:16.50 | Arrowmaster | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/11/22/1931230/Do-You-Really-Need-a-Discrete-Sound-Card |
| 21:16.58 | Ackis | ok the computer fans all work, she reseated the video card, dusted the case out (wasn't too bad), it loads firefox/OS but locks up when WoW runs |
| 21:17.10 | durcyn | Ackis: dud memory. |
| 21:17.17 | Dagmar | Ackis: ...or power supply |
| 21:17.33 | TMc51 | one main gripe I have about behind the head headphones is most of them don't do that good a job of blocking out noise |
| 21:17.33 | nevcairiel | why do you link the damn slashdot article instead of the real article <.< |
| 21:17.39 | durcyn | swap the sticks, and yeah, check the video card supplemental power connecor |
| 21:18.00 | Silvanas | !api SetCursorPosition |
| 21:18.00 | lua_bot | EditBox:SetCursorPosition: Sets the cursor position in the edit box (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetCursorPosition) |
| 21:18.01 | Ackis | durcyn: swap with new ones, or just change up the order?(aka I don't have new ones) |
| 21:18.13 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: because the slashdot article is in my rss reader |
| 21:18.33 | Arrowmaster | and it has a nice summary for those too lazy to read the entire thing |
| 21:18.46 | TMc51 | Ackis: Sounds like the card's memory, as durcyn just said. I had the same issue with my old video card last summer. |
| 21:19.05 | Ackis | the video card's memory or the PC memory itself? |
| 21:19.07 | durcyn | I was referring to system memory. and yeah, swap A/B and B/A |
| 21:19.13 | TMc51 | the card's memory |
| 21:19.34 | bleeter | http://twitpic.com/3bp4og |
| 21:19.40 | durcyn | or just run a gorram memtest already, there's one built in to windows these days, and memtest86+ ISOs are still quite free. |
| 21:19.41 | TMc51 | Ackis: You mentioned it doing some weird graphics glitch before crashing right? |
| 21:19.58 | bleeter | Ackis: yeah, sounds like video card memory's on the fritz. |
| 21:20.27 | durcyn | i find it hard to believe you don't know what diagnostic steps to go through, considering you've been told them thirty-seven times now |
| 21:20.41 | bleeter | Ackis: just one thought, try running it using OpenGL instead of DirectX. Totally stupid idea, I know... just.. humour me ;) |
| 21:20.45 | Ackis | yeah.. there's "noise appearing on the screeen, random pixels, lines... distorting what's on the screen" |
| 21:21.12 | TMc51 | Yeah, the card's screwed. |
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| 21:22.50 | Ackis | she's reseating the system memory right now |
| 21:23.03 | Ackis | will do openGL next |
| 21:24.15 | TMc51 | is it doing something like this? http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/53972027-4.jpg |
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| 21:25.24 | Ackis | "nope, like lots of tiny little particles" |
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| 21:27.57 | Cide | it's like a rainbow wall |
| 21:30.25 | Arrowmaster | ah damnit this anime movie seems to just be a recap of the first season of the series |
| 21:30.33 | Shirik | is Ackis trying to explain quantum mechanics? |
| 21:31.16 | Ackis | Shirik: no, I think the video card in my fiancee's computer blew up |
| 21:31.26 | TMc51 | Arrowmaster: what anime? |
| 21:31.31 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEI1AUFJKw |
| 21:31.32 | Shirik | well you should try not doing that |
| 21:31.35 | Gintaro | Need to share! |
| 21:31.41 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know what the purple swirly ground aoe is called? I think it's a warlock spell |
| 21:31.56 | Shirik | purple swirly ground aoe? |
| 21:32.05 | Arrowmaster | TMc51: mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha the movie 1st |
| 21:32.07 | ZorbaBeta | yeah. they put it on the ground. it's swirly. I assume it's an AOE. |
| 21:32.14 | Shirik | it's not death gate is it? |
| 21:32.27 | ZorbaBeta | no, used in combat |
| 21:33.19 | Arrowmaster | Gintaro: what the fuck |
| 21:33.37 | Gintaro | PUDDI PUDDI! |
| 21:35.18 | Arrowmaster | why did i watch all 2 minutes of that |
| 21:35.57 | Gintaro | beats me :P |
| 21:36.31 | syrae | iPhone glitch or cheating hubby... :P http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1786497 |
| 21:37.14 | Ackis | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5841817&l=98db98d785&id=512851685 |
| 21:37.15 | nicoli_s | men dont cheat syrae, only women, so obviously its a glitch |
| 21:37.36 | Ackis | TMc51: ^ |
| 21:38.38 | TMc51 | Ackis: never seen that kind of behavior before, so I could only really guess as to what the issue is. |
| 21:38.50 | Ackis | that's after a reboot |
| 21:39.20 | nevcairiel | the card is dead |
| 21:39.34 | nicoli_s | man thats sad that woman would decide to divorce her husband based on what mac people told her |
| 21:40.13 | TMc51 | IMO, reinstall the video drivers, and pray that fixes it, otherwise chances are it is dead/dying. |
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| 21:40.47 | nevcairiel | its drawing up errors in text mode, thats usually a clear indicator that the card itself is dying |
| 21:40.56 | Dagmar | Stupid people are stupid. |
| 21:41.19 | Dagmar | He took his phone to an iPhone store and the Mac "genius" decided they wanted a copy of the picture so they mailed it to their hotmail account |
| 21:41.29 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:42.04 | Dagmar | You _always_ sanitize media before handing it over to an underpaid technician. |
| 21:42.05 | nicoli_s | well its rare when you get exposed to people's home made porno |
| 21:42.21 | nicoli_s | so the mac genius should have shared it |
| 21:42.36 | Dagmar | I wouldn't say "should" but "almost certainly did" |
| 21:42.51 | nicoli_s | i remember finding a few home made pics from the dump of this server from a site we bought |
| 21:43.04 | nicoli_s | im like replay, replay, replay, titties, replay, replay... |
| 21:43.10 | nicoli_s | (it was a sc2 replay site) |
| 21:43.15 | syrae | heh |
| 21:43.16 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:43.28 | Arrowmaster | watching porn at work huh? |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | Part of the reason Best Buy has a centralized repair depots is because it limits the number of technicians who have a chance to make copies of someone's private media |
| 21:43.37 | nicoli_s | i didnt know it was in there |
| 21:43.56 | nevcairiel | surprise titties, the best kind |
| 21:44.00 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 21:44.00 | Dagmar | Agreed. |
| 21:44.05 | syrae | One of my former co-workers left a ton of personal documents in his world w/r dir... things like Visa applications, tax filings, etc |
| 21:44.29 | Ackis | Ok she has a evga 9800 GTX fwiw |
| 21:44.45 | Dagmar | It's a power-hungry beast |
| 21:44.57 | Dagmar | Make sure that aux power connector is properly seated. |
| 21:45.06 | Dagmar | Disconnected, the card will crash out if you fire up 3D |
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| 21:48.35 | Ackis | shit that thing only has 512 MB ram eh? |
| 21:49.02 | Dagmar | It's enough |
| 21:49.10 | Ackis | and futureshop only has ATI it seems |
| 21:49.16 | Dagmar | I'm using a 9800 with 768 and my gf is using an 8800 with 512 |
| 21:49.29 | Dagmar | Both run WoW with settings nearly maxed (except during raids) |
| 21:49.44 | Ackis | I can't run my GTX 285 w/ settings maxed in a raid =/ |
| 21:49.56 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 21:50.31 | TMc51 | Ackis: What CPU and RAM do you have? If you can't run maxed in a raid, you're probably bottlenecked somewhere else other than the graphics card. WoW barely even makes much use of it. |
| 21:50.59 | Ackis | TMc51: Core i7, 6 gigs of ram |
| 21:51.12 | Dagmar | 25-mans have _shitloads_ of things going on at onec |
| 21:51.15 | A-KO | Ackis: did the nagle algorithm disabled? :P |
| 21:51.17 | TMc51 | Weird, you should be able to run beyond max with that. |
| 21:51.31 | Ackis | only raid I tried was ulduar 10man on the first boss |
| 21:51.35 | Ackis | said fuck it after that |
| 21:51.36 | Nobgul | I can't run on maxed either. Never been able to. Makes me /wrist |
| 21:51.38 | A-KO | weird ackis |
| 21:51.43 | A-KO | Ackis: do you run with a lot of addons? |
| 21:51.43 | Dagmar | We like our frame rates to stay high and that ain't happening often with that much spell soup |
| 21:51.44 | durcyn | what resolution, Ackis? |
| 21:51.45 | A-KO | I run maxed |
| 21:51.46 | A-KO | and I don't have an i7 |
| 21:51.51 | airtonix | haha |
| 21:51.55 | Ackis | A-KO: over 100 addons :) |
| 21:51.59 | airtonix | i run max on celeron300 |
| 21:52.01 | A-KO | Ackis: it's LIKELY the addon count |
| 21:52.08 | Ackis | durcyn: max for w/e my 24" runs |
| 21:52.10 | durcyn | my i7 940 and gtx285 do okay at 2560x1600, you've got addon issues |
| 21:52.13 | KarlKFI|work | depends mostly on desired frame rate and resolution |
| 21:52.17 | A-KO | airtonix: I go beyond max though--I bypass wow's built-in AA settings, go directly to the video card, turn on transparency AA, etc. |
| 21:52.27 | TMc51 | I have a Phenom II X4 B50, and I run beyond maxed. Well, with shadows and clutter completely disabled and the rest cranked beyond the sliders. |
| 21:52.28 | airtonix | A-KO, i can turn bread into wine |
| 21:52.28 | A-KO | KarlKFI: I get by with 25-30 |
| 21:52.31 | durcyn | though it's probably time to think about a 580 |
| 21:52.42 | cog|work | clutter completely disabled?? |
| 21:52.45 | A-KO | TMc51: I've got shadows on max |
| 21:52.47 | cog|work | ugly game is ugly... |
| 21:52.51 | airtonix | ^ |
| 21:52.51 | Dagmar | Shadows and clutter are a sizeable source of GPU work, man |
| 21:53.04 | A-KO | if you have a decent modern GPU you're golden |
| 21:53.12 | KarlKFI|work | 2560x1600 on a gtx285 is askign for trouble |
| 21:53.12 | cog|work | ground clutter can completely change the feel of a zone (for the better imo) |
| 21:53.13 | Dagmar | "I run maxed but with half the features turned off" <-- meaningless |
| 21:53.23 | airtonix | modern as in from last week |
| 21:53.47 | Ackis | anyways, what's a decent video card for now? Lowest on market would be an upgrade from the 9800 GTX I think |
| 21:53.50 | durcyn | KarlKFI|work: it's been fine for most things, not like wow benefits from SLI (or a melted fermi) |
| 21:53.58 | A-KO | Ackis: GTX 460 1GB is great |
| 21:54.03 | A-KO | or the GTX 580 series |
| 21:54.05 | Dagmar | If you're a gnome over by the elemental plateau in Nagrand, clutter makes it a whole different ball game |
| 21:54.08 | A-KO | don't get the GTX 465, 470, or 480 though |
| 21:54.11 | A-KO | or a GTX 460 768MB card |
| 21:54.35 | A-KO | GTX 460 1GB is decently priced |
| 21:54.38 | Dagmar | I can just barely see my dwarf's head poking out above hte grass |
| 21:54.39 | Ackis | what about a Redeon 4650? |
| 21:54.41 | A-KO | I only really know the Nvidia side of things atm :P |
| 21:54.44 | durcyn | Ackis: either an HD5870 or GTX460 would work, but ATI drivers are still ATI drivers |
| 21:54.45 | A-KO | 4650? no not really |
| 21:54.52 | cog|work | Dagmar: or in the barrens where the various kittehs can actually catch you unawares |
| 21:54.57 | A-KO | Ackis: you can pick up the 460 for sub $200 |
| 21:55.00 | Ackis | ATI drivers are still shit? |
| 21:55.01 | TMc51 | A-KO: The GTX 460 768MB card isn't that bad, though. It's one of the best cards under $200. |
| 21:55.09 | Dagmar | cog: Hehe yeah good spot for it |
| 21:55.14 | A-KO | TMc51: the 768MB card has pipes turned off that the 1GB card does not |
| 21:55.25 | A-KO | and the bus is lower I think too |
| 21:55.32 | A-KO | so the 1GB card is ideal |
| 21:55.35 | A-KO | has one |
| 21:55.43 | A-KO | In fact, you can hit it at $200 on newegg I'm sure |
| 21:55.53 | durcyn | Ackis: let me put it this way, i went drinking with one of ATI's former driver writers last week. I wouldn't trust him to tie his shoes. |
| 21:55.54 | TMc51 | Yes, it does, but what I said is true. Unless the 1GB card came down from around $230, the 768MB card is still one of the best cards under 200. |
| 21:55.59 | KarlKFI|work | i have a GTX 460 768MB. it handles 2560x1600 fine if you only use 2x AA |
| 21:56.04 | durcyn | the situation, as I gather, has not improved since his departure |
| 21:56.19 | Ackis | http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX30252%28ME%29.aspx <-- that's the one you're all talking aboot? |
| 21:56.21 | durcyn | KarlKFI|work: on 4.0 Ultra settings? my FPS drops in half going from High to Ultra presets |
| 21:56.29 | TMc51 | to be honest, last I checked on pricing was about 2 months ago, so chances are they probably did drop in price. |
| 21:56.44 | KarlKFI|work | i'm using ultra atm, btu i havent done raiding yet in 4.0 |
| 21:56.51 | A-KO | Ackis: that's exactly what I have, I have the superclocked version though |
| 21:57.16 | A-KO | brb |
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| 21:57.40 | durcyn | KarlKFI|work: i'm talking about even environmental, though the addon load was a bit hefty when i tested |
| 21:57.51 | durcyn | and don't even ask about dalaran |
| 21:58.04 | KarlKFI|work | the point is that the extra ram from the 1gb only really helps for AA which multiplies the number of pixels that have to be calculated |
| 21:58.48 | KarlKFI|work | addons shouldnt be effected by your gpu at all |
| 21:58.54 | durcyn | anyway until wow is no longer cpu bound, is threaded, or goes 64-bit native, fuck it. |
| 21:58.57 | KarlKFI|work | they're all cpu bound |
| 21:59.34 | airtonix | durcyn, and upgrades its 20year old engine |
| 21:59.36 | KarlKFI|work | addons are all single threaded, so there's zero possibility of gpu dependance |
| 21:59.36 | Fisker | durcyn airtonix |
| 22:00.06 | airtonix | durcyn Fisker |
| 22:00.13 | A-KO | I just reduce the amount of addons going on |
| 22:00.17 | durcyn | whoa leave me out of it |
| 22:00.19 | A-KO | I use a couple of addons :P |
| 22:00.24 | airtonix | durcyn, how does it feel to be sandwiched? |
| 22:00.44 | durcyn | well, i never really had a bicurious phase in college, and now's not the time |
| 22:00.45 | ZorbaBeta | it would be pretty neat if addons could use extra threads. |
| 22:00.47 | KarlKFI|work | addons CAN effect framerate, but upgrading your gpu wont help that |
| 22:01.02 | Ackis | http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX30252%28ME%29.aspx vs http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX30253%28ME%29.aspx |
| 22:02.07 | KarlKFI|work | best way to upgrade for wow is to get enough ram so that wow can use 4gb and get a 10k drive or ssd to speed up memory swap and loading speeds |
| 22:02.16 | A-KO | Ackis: I've got the latter |
| 22:02.22 | A-KO | it's just higher clock speeds out of the box |
| 22:02.24 | A-KO | and not by much |
| 22:02.35 | Ackis | so basically same shit diff pile |
| 22:02.45 | A-KO | same shit, slightly overclocked out of the box by evga |
| 22:02.46 | A-KO | but yeah |
| 22:02.48 | A-KO | more or less |
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| 22:03.11 | syrae | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/138680/silhouette-avatars the Bashiok response is hilarious. :) |
| 22:04.14 | A-KO | I've found outside of cities, shadows probably have the most substantial GPU effect on performance of WoW |
| 22:04.28 | Rockso | why does my SecureGroupHeader show the gorup im currently in as group 1, when i'm in a raid and showRaid = false? |
| 22:04.35 | cog|work | yeah, i keep mine on the lowest realtime shadow setting |
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| 22:05.47 | A-KO | isn't that like 1 notch up cog|work? |
| 22:05.50 | A-KO | or 2 notches? |
| 22:05.52 | cog|work | 1 |
| 22:06.17 | cog|work | on full it cuts my framerate almost in half |
| 22:06.32 | KarlKFI|work | if you want a 460 1gb i'd go for gigabyte's http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX460-1-2DVI-I-GV-N460OC-1GI/dp/B003UUEOPE |
| 22:06.43 | A-KO | gigabyte's isn't bad |
| 22:07.10 | A-KO | I just got the evga because they were practically giving these things away at Quakecon |
| 22:07.14 | KarlKFI|work | costs slightly more, but it's OC'd and has 2 fans which makes it much quieter |
| 22:07.20 | A-KO | eeeeeehhh |
| 22:07.23 | A-KO | mine's pretty damn quiet |
| 22:07.24 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:07.41 | Ackis | KarlKFI|work: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX29975%28ME%29.aspx ? |
| 22:08.20 | KarlKFI|work | same thing, neh? |
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| 22:08.26 | KarlKFI|work | $10 cheeper |
| 22:08.30 | Ackis | I think so |
| 22:08.43 | Fisker | lols |
| 22:08.44 | Ackis | Mine is from a Canadian site |
| 22:08.50 | Fisker | finally thottbot is about to be closed |
| 22:09.27 | nicoli_s | i used to work at thottbot |
| 22:09.27 | A-KO | orly |
| 22:09.30 | nicoli_s | and its not being closed |
| 22:09.30 | KarlKFI|work | I prefer gigabyte's fan setup because the card runs cooler so you can overclock it even more if you want without much fear of it exploding |
| 22:09.34 | nicoli_s | its just using wowhead's data |
| 22:10.00 | Ackis | what's the warranty like on gigabyte's KarlKFI|work ? |
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| 22:12.34 | Lunessa | I got a gigabyte mobo when I redid my system a few months ago. I've been pretty happy with it. |
| 22:12.43 | A-KO | yeah I use exclusively gigabyte motherboards |
| 22:12.56 | A-KO | They're pretty solid |
| 22:13.19 | KarlKFI|work | Ackis depends where it was sold |
| 22:14.35 | KarlKFI|work | i have no idea, but i can check the documentation from my card when i get home |
| 22:15.18 | Lunessa | I got one of the H55* lines. it's been pretty solid for me. |
| 22:15.54 | Ackis | KarlKFI|work: hmm I know evga have lifetime warranties |
| 22:17.25 | Shirik | Your quote of the day |
| 22:17.35 | Shirik | There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. |
| 22:19.34 | Ackis | that's like in batman arkham asylum it says the only way to avoid the jokers gun is to use the middle thumb stick |
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| 22:20.13 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: plug in the N64 controller |
| 22:20.21 | Shirik | I miss the N64 controller |
| 22:20.26 | TMc51_ | Same |
| 22:20.32 | Shirik | And the original xbox controller |
| 22:20.33 | Arrowmaster | it was weird |
| 22:20.37 | Shirik | The original xbox controller fit my hand perfectly |
| 22:20.38 | TMc51_ | People think I'm crazy for liking it. |
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| 22:20.44 | TMc51_ | The big duke? |
| 22:20.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:21.06 | TMc51_ | It was one of the best controllers I ever had. |
| 22:21.19 | Arrowmaster | only problem i had the the duke was that it was hard to use once i got used to the S |
| 22:21.37 | Arrowmaster | because the buttons were in a diamond instead of square |
| 22:22.00 | Arrowmaster | that and the white and black button positions |
| 22:22.16 | Shirik | yeah the white and black bothered me in the new one |
| 22:22.30 | Arrowmaster | i like how they moved those to above the triggers in the 360 one |
| 22:23.04 | Shirik | I need more buttons |
| 22:23.07 | Shirik | more triggers preferably |
| 22:23.32 | Cide | moar triggers |
| 22:23.40 | TMc51_ | a trigger for every finger |
| 22:23.56 | Arrowmaster | i had to buy http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Dual-Triggers-Playstation-3/dp/B001IAOEXU to make the ps3 controller even usable |
| 22:23.59 | Shirik | I can't find a good layout for Halo Reach |
| 22:24.05 | Arrowmaster | the triggers on it are so fucking horrible |
| 22:24.14 | Shirik | I always used bumper jumper, but X for equipment isn't good |
| 22:24.23 | Shirik | because I can't aim while using equipment |
| 22:24.49 | Shirik | if I had another trigger it would be perfect |
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| 22:25.21 | Arrowmaster | i know what you need |
| 22:25.27 | Arrowmaster | now i just have to find it |
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| 22:26.27 | bleeter | I'm hoping to get Opie working with my Kinect. I reckon that could be highly amusing. |
| 22:26.40 | Ackis | nerd |
| 22:26.47 | Nobgul | bleeter, Let me know if you do. |
| 22:26.47 | bleeter | no u |
| 22:27.39 | bleeter | well, I mean... getting WoW working with my Kinect, and I think Opie would make a sensible UI for such a setup |
| 22:27.41 | TMc51_ | Can't wait until more and more hacks for the Kinect come out, and somebody finally does something to make it worth getting one. |
| 22:28.19 | bleeter | TMc51_: if you're disabled and have difficulty using a mouse and keyboard, it already is worth getting one. |
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| 22:28.34 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: found it, http://kotaku.com/5687525/this-is-apparently-the-ultimate-gaming-advantage |
| 22:28.54 | Shirik | omfg |
| 22:28.55 | Shirik | awesome |
| 22:29.00 | TMc51_ | bleeter: I have no doubt. Currently, for me, there's little reason to get one, but I'm remaining hopeful that good enough hacks come out to make it worth it to me. |
| 22:29.18 | Shirik | that is a brilliant idea |
| 22:29.38 | Kraps | "The adapter comes with a stabilizing tripod, tension straps, and hair triggers. It even has sensitivity adjusters, which I like to imagine transform the average Xbox Live gamer from one that insults your mother to one that asks after her health. |
| 22:29.39 | Kraps | Probably not." |
| 22:31.11 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:31.14 | jnwhiteh | We are applying a hotfix today to all level 1-60 dungeon quests for Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms dungeons which will significantly reduce the amount of experience they award. |
| 22:31.15 | jnwhiteh | WAH |
| 22:31.22 | jnwhiteh | That is sad! |
| 22:31.32 | Arrowmaster | quick do all the quests! |
| 22:31.36 | TMc51_ | fail |
| 22:31.38 | foxlit | wah wah = q q? |
| 22:31.43 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: how's your father doing? |
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| 22:31.53 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/adult-reusable-cotton-cod.jpg |
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| 22:32.46 | Arrowmaster | omg |
| 22:32.48 | Shirik | lmao. krka_ remember that potentially NP-complete problem from last night? |
| 22:32.53 | Arrowmaster | cant stop laughing at that kraps |
| 22:32.54 | TMc51_ | Kraps: Hey, it beats having to poopsock it. |
| 22:32.56 | Shirik | I told the project lead about it |
| 22:33.12 | Shirik | His response was "Let's just switch over to solving NP-complete for the general case. It's probably easier than this project." |
| 22:33.14 | Fisker | true story jnwhiteh |
| 22:33.26 | jnwhiteh | I Fiskered a kill |
| 22:33.28 | Fisker | it was basically go through an instance, get ~a level |
| 22:33.32 | Fisker | then turn in quests |
| 22:33.34 | Fisker | get another level |
| 22:33.35 | Fisker | ??? |
| 22:33.36 | Fisker | profit |
| 22:33.40 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:33.45 | jnwhiteh | whats the problem with that? |
| 22:33.54 | jnwhiteh | leveling to 80 is bullshit anyway, from level 1 |
| 22:33.57 | jnwhiteh | waste of my time |
| 22:34.03 | jnwhiteh | I should be able to hit the magic 'make me a level 40 priest' button |
| 22:34.07 | Fisker | Probably that they don't want people to chain LFG to 60 |
| 22:34.17 | jnwhiteh | I gained 12 levels this weekend |
| 22:34.20 | jnwhiteh | I fail to see why this is a problem |
| 22:34.22 | jnwhiteh | solely on LFG |
| 22:34.25 | Fisker | i gained like 60 or so |
| 22:34.27 | Fisker | :3 |
| 22:34.38 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Inc-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291151603&sr=8-1 |
| 22:34.42 | Shirik | Cide: pig |
| 22:34.45 | Shirik | also, ping |
| 22:35.21 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: see the frequently bought together part? |
| 22:35.39 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh |
| 22:35.40 | Fisker | get this |
| 22:35.52 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: hah |
| 22:35.55 | Fisker | They should make the quests repeatable |
| 22:36.07 | Kraps | what about http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/11/5edaec8554b1e00aba76ffb8722c3b0b/original.jpg |
| 22:36.10 | Fisker | and then give you some rewards á la the random goodie bag |
| 22:36.14 | Fisker | except just good |
| 22:42.46 | Nobgul | oh nasty wow error 0_o |
| 22:43.07 | Nobgul | i updated my driver =X |
| 22:43.13 | Cide | Shirik: pong |
| 22:43.13 | Nobgul | video* |
| 22:44.04 | Nobgul | Ugh 2nd time So i guess a video driver can make wow crash? |
| 22:44.15 | Nobgul | on the loading screen though. |
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| 22:44.51 | Nobgul | Anyone? |
| 22:45.08 | ZorbaBeta | a video driver can absolutely make a 3d game crash |
| 22:45.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 22:45.18 | Nobgul | err fml |
| 22:45.38 | Nobgul | You don't reckon screen resolution would do it do ya? |
| 22:45.44 | Lunessa | video driver can absolutely make anything on your computer crash. |
| 22:46.42 | Nobgul | Sigh. Guess ill have to rollback the driver or something |
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| 22:49.29 | Nobgul | Ah fml where would i find a older driver =( |
| 22:51.04 | cog|work | nvidia and ati both have them buried somewhere on their download sites.. |
| 22:51.16 | Nobgul | How can i be sure its the video driver? |
| 22:51.30 | Nobgul | I mean other then the patch that downlaoded its the only thing that changed |
| 22:51.45 | cog|work | it refuses not to crash? |
| 22:51.58 | cog|work | then if you roll back the drivers and it stops crashing, you will be sure :P |
| 22:52.06 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 22:52.24 | ZorbaBeta | is it just wow crashing, or is it a bluescreen? |
| 22:53.04 | Nobgul | Just wow after i select what toon i wanna play |
| 22:53.24 | Nobgul | about 1/2 way into loading |
| 22:53.52 | cog|work | have you tried disabling addons? |
| 22:54.05 | Nobgul | Yea |
| 22:54.24 | A-KO | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1985162/oasis.png < not bad |
| 22:54.50 | cbreak | Nobgul: have you deleted the two cache folders? |
| 22:54.50 | Nobgul | I will try to restart the pc then if not ill rollback the video drivers |
| 22:55.15 | cog|work | cbreak 2nded |
| 22:55.18 | Nobgul | yer |
| 22:55.47 | Nobgul | Ok thats weird it's loading 0_o |
| 22:56.09 | Nobgul | Yea it loaded 0_o |
| 22:56.45 | Nobgul | That is weird but ty all . |
| 22:57.01 | cog|work | it just needed some time to think about what it had done |
| 22:57.12 | Nobgul | lol |
| 22:58.10 | Kraps | Lunessa: heres the perfect gift http://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Inc-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291151603&sr=8-1 |
| 22:58.35 | Lunessa | Kraps: Awesome. It will give me superpowers! |
| 22:59.23 | Nobgul | Aparently it is one of my addons =( |
| 22:59.43 | A-KO | I want that |
| 23:02.50 | Kraps | Lunessa: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/11/adult-reusable-cotton-cod.jpg |
| 23:03.15 | Lunessa | WTF? |
| 23:03.42 | Kraps | it just makes sense! |
| 23:04.07 | TMc51_ | would make more sense if instead of call of duty, it was Cataclysm preorders. |
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| 23:06.28 | Shirik | agggg |
| 23:06.31 | Shirik | Wiki is dying :( |
| 23:06.56 | Shirik | "Due to high database lag, changes newer than 67 seconds may not be present in this list" |
| 23:08.12 | cog|work | change it to 69 seconds please |
| 23:08.26 | cog|work | or 42 |
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| 23:12.02 | Shirik | I like this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:79.70.115.133 |
| 23:13.33 | TMc51_ | hahaha |
| 23:14.16 | Kraps | Hersfold ftw |
| 23:14.24 | Shirik | Hersfold is pretty awesome |
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| 23:17.07 | Kraps | what areas does he frequent? |
| 23:17.48 | Shirik | He primarily restricts himself to ARBCOM and checkuser stuff now |
| 23:20.46 | Kraps | hey i forgot about arbcom |
| 23:21.28 | Shirik | They just finished up a like 4-month long case |
| 23:21.45 | Kraps | zomg |
| 23:21.55 | Shirik | Case Opened on 8:28 pm, 12 June 2010, Saturday (UTC-4) |
| 23:21.55 | Shirik | Case Closed on 10:17 am, 14 October 2010, Thursday (UTC-4) |
| 23:22.00 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change |
| 23:23.03 | Kraps | Ryan Postlethwaite is an epic name |
| 23:25.38 | Kraps | so the solution was to topic-ban everyone /rolleyes |
| 23:28.26 | Kraps | what the hell, and i though Burn Notice was another hospital drama |
| 23:28.43 | TMc51_ | lol |
| 23:29.08 | TMc51_ | Burn Notice is awesome, not some crappy hospital show. |
| 23:30.21 | Kraps | yeah, just read the wiki snippet |
| 23:30.35 | Torhal | forces Kraps to watch Army of Darkness. |
| 23:30.48 | Kraps | whats that |
| 23:30.59 | TMc51_ | one of the greatest damn movies ever made. |
| 23:31.27 | Kraps | orly |
| 23:32.33 | TMc51_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awrem5pfhBk |
| 23:33.58 | Kraps | the fuck |
| 23:34.09 | TMc51_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO4cqJ5IGro |
| 23:34.14 | Arrowmaster | bruce campbell is great |
| 23:34.23 | durcyn | all hail bruce campbell |
| 23:34.29 | TMc51_ | THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK |
| 23:35.40 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt59rjadYeI |
| 23:36.24 | TMc51_ | I miss that show |
| 23:36.32 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 23:36.42 | Arrowmaster | i watched it all on hulu a few years ago |
| 23:36.45 | Arrowmaster | i should download it |
| 23:36.55 | TMc51_ | they should be hung from their toes for cancelling it. |
| 23:37.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VNsjjYRgjc |
| 23:39.46 | Kraps | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DGAF |
| 23:43.19 | Aurorus | Julius Assange, creator of WikiLeaks, has an Interpol Arrest Warrant out on him. http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp |
| 23:43.36 | Aurorus | Julian* |
| 23:44.05 | Dagmar | Something that doesn't do anything yet |
| 23:44.42 | Kraps | that show looks interesting, i'll check it out |
| 23:44.45 | Cide | Shirik: your response time exceeds that of the mars rover |
| 23:45.09 | Kraps | Categories of Offences: SEX CRIMES |
| 23:45.14 | Kraps | wat |
| 23:45.23 | Shirik | Cide: Unlikely |
| 23:45.40 | syrae | Kraps: I think it was something about child molestation or something. |
| 23:45.40 | Dagmar | Yeah there's a trumped-up rape charge in Sweden |
| 23:45.46 | syrae | yeah |
| 23:45.49 | syrae | something silly |
| 23:45.51 | Dagmar | NOT child molestation |
| 23:45.52 | Dagmar | Sheesh |
| 23:46.02 | syrae | I can't remember |
| 23:46.31 | Dagmar | It's good to know our gov't is willing to cry "rape" in order to protect their precious little secrets |
| 23:46.33 | syrae | also, sex crimes aren't silly, but the crime he's accused of seems to be just an excuse to get him |
| 23:47.00 | Kraps | why is interpol interested in a rapist? |
| 23:47.20 | Dagmar | Because Assange has yet to go back to Sweden for those charges |
| 23:47.27 | Dagmar | I fail to see why it matters. |
| 23:47.38 | Dagmar | How long was Polanski over there? |
| 23:48.08 | Wobin | They totally appear to be excuses to get him into the country |
| 23:48.19 | Dagmar | It |
| 23:48.22 | Dagmar | er it is. |
| 23:48.30 | Wobin | the prosecuter is not cooperating in any sense to explain the charges |
| 23:48.32 | Dagmar | This shit started two days before the first batch of leaked documents |
| 23:48.52 | Wobin | also lolpalin |
| 23:48.57 | Dagmar | It's really obvious that this is just to get him into custody |
| 23:49.08 | Dagmar | ...at which point he'll suffer an "accident" of some kind |
| 23:49.13 | Wobin | "Whoops" |
| 23:49.25 | Xyphoid | it'll be suicide |
| 23:49.42 | Dagmar | Yeah there's NO fucking way I'd go back if I were Assange |
| 23:49.46 | Cide | why do I keep getting pinged about suicide |
| 23:49.48 | TMc51_ | isn't the next set of leaks supposed to be targetting the banks? |
| 23:49.56 | KarlKFI|work | suicide |
| 23:50.00 | Wobin | suicide |
| 23:50.08 | Wobin | patricide |
| 23:50.11 | Dagmar | How does one get "pinged" about that? |
| 23:50.11 | Wobin | homocide |
| 23:50.19 | Wobin | cause it has 'cide' in it |
| 23:50.20 | TMc51_ | genocide |
| 23:50.24 | KarlKFI|work | pesticide |
| 23:50.27 | Cide | suisigh |
| 23:50.28 | Aurorus | herbicide |
| 23:50.33 | Aurorus | cider |
| 23:50.38 | TMc51_ | deicide |
| 23:50.38 | Wobin | conglomeratercide |
| 23:50.45 | Dagmar | TMc51_: That would explain the stepped-up DDoS |
| 23:51.36 | TMc51_ | Dagmar: At least, if the CIA got to him, it would appear to be suicide, but with the banks? They'll have him dragged into Time Square, have a public beheading, and get away with it like they do everything else. |
| 23:52.05 | Wobin | I think Assange's public position is the whole point |
| 23:52.07 | Dagmar | Nah, I think they'll settle for Sweden extraditing him to the US where he'll be locked away forever |
| 23:52.19 | Dagmar | I don't think they under-fucking-stand what exactly they're messing with here. |
| 23:52.23 | Wobin | it gives the world a figurehead to focus on |
| 23:52.30 | Wobin | meanwhile, the leaks happen -anyway- |
| 23:52.37 | TMc51_ | Exactly |
| 23:52.38 | Dagmar | The only thing that's come out of those leaks so far is that we've learned more and more about what a pack of fucking liars our gov't officials are |
| 23:52.53 | TMc51_ | he's just the face of wikileaks. there are hundreds, if not more people oput there doing the actual work. |
| 23:52.54 | airtonix | TMc51_, who are you ? |
| 23:53.01 | Wobin | I feel sorry for him, however |
| 23:53.09 | Wobin | for having to -be- the figurehead |
| 23:53.15 | Dagmar | The only thing a continued DDoS attack will do is make the things hit torrent networks faster |
| 23:53.22 | TMc51_ | Who am I? I am me. |
| 23:54.37 | airtonix | not good enough |
| 23:54.44 | airtonix | the authorities are on their way |
| 23:54.47 | airtonix | do not resisit |
| 23:54.51 | airtonix | it is futile |
| 23:54.51 | Dagmar | Kinda funny that no one in the news si asking about who is DDoSing Wikileaks |
| 23:55.03 | TMc51_ | Resistance is only futile if >1 ohm. |
| 23:55.06 | Lunessa | Resistance is futile. You will be press-ganged. |
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