| 00:02.48 | airtonix | greetings from outside of berlin |
| 00:03.41 | mikma | oh, and i am already back home, just wasnt able to come in irc while i was in germany |
| 00:05.13 | airtonix | yeah i never left |
| 00:05.24 | airtonix | home |
| 00:05.42 | mikma | gj |
| 00:05.48 | airtonix | :( |
| 00:09.27 | Dewin | Hmm. Stableboy doesn't seem to work anymore. I need a replacement... |
| 00:15.50 | airtonix | wenchGirl |
| 00:18.28 | Dashkal | Are there any known two-person mounts in cata yet, or is the alchemy vial the only way at present (ignoring the rocket for RAF) |
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| 00:52.55 | Napoleone | what filter should i use on UnitAura to get the "debuffs" i've applied |
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| 00:53.35 | Thrae | Napoleone, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitAura |
| 00:53.39 | Napoleone | I'm there |
| 00:54.17 | Thrae | The answer would be to either use UnitDebuff or the HARMFUL filter. |
| 00:54.22 | Adys | Amazon is being evil to me |
| 00:54.22 | Adys | Want guaranteed delivery by Tuesday, November 30? Order it in the next 66 hours and 5 minutes, and choose Express delivery at checkout. See Details |
| 00:54.59 | Napoleone | UnitAura("target",1 ,"HARMFUL|PLAYER") |
| 00:55.08 | Napoleone | should be the harmful I've put on it right |
| 00:55.27 | Thrae | Right. The examples explain themselves. |
| 00:55.40 | Thrae | It says, "First debuff, cast by the player, on the target" |
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| 00:56.10 | Angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 00:57.03 | Napoleone | how many debuffs have you seen applied to a target? |
| 00:57.12 | Napoleone | thats your own |
| 00:57.41 | Angayelle | quick question before going to bed, to know the buffindex of a precise buff on my target, there is no other way but using for i = 1,40 do |
| 00:57.41 | Angayelle | local a3,b3,c3,d3,e3,f3,g3,h3,i3,j3,k3 = UnitBuff("target", i) if (k3 == 17) then ? |
| 00:58.01 | Angayelle | oh napoleone did you sorted your problem wirh round mask for your shadow texture ? |
| 00:58.08 | Angayelle | some time ago ? |
| 00:58.15 | Napoleone | Angayelle yep |
| 00:58.25 | Napoleone | actually easy when i broke it down to basic math ;P |
| 00:58.29 | Thrae | Napoleone, That's what the filters are for. If you use PLAYER you can go through 1-40 and anything in that index that is not PLAYER will be nil. If you use PLAYER|HARMFUL, anything in that index that's not both flagged PLAYER and HARMFUL will be nil. |
| 00:58.45 | Thrae | (as returned by UnitAura) |
| 00:58.47 | Angayelle | i found an api i thought you might use |
| 00:58.57 | Napoleone | wich one? |
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| 00:59.18 | Napoleone | i used some basic college math with the simple thing of splitting the shadow in 2 ;P |
| 00:59.33 | Angayelle | !api portrait |
| 00:59.33 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'portrait': UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE, SetLootPortrait, SetPortraitToTexture, SetPortraitTexture, QuestLogShouldShowPortrait, GetQuestPortraitGiver, GetQuestLogPortraitGiver, PlayerModel:SetPortraitZoom, GetQuestPortraitTurnIn, SetInventoryPortraitTexture, SetBagPortraitTexture, GetQuestLogPortraitTurnIn |
| 00:59.53 | Angayelle | !api SetPortraitTexture |
| 00:59.53 | lua_bot | SetPortraitTexture: Sets a Texture object to show a portrait of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetPortraitTexture) |
| 01:00.08 | Angayelle | ah not this one |
| 01:00.12 | Napoleone | heh |
| 01:00.27 | Angayelle | !api SetPortraitToTexture |
| 01:00.27 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for ' SetPortraitToTexture'. |
| 01:00.36 | Angayelle | !api SetPortraitToTexture |
| 01:00.37 | lua_bot | SetPortraitToTexture: Sets a Texture object to display an arbitrary texture, altering it to fit a circular frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetPortraitToTexture) |
| 01:01.04 | Angayelle | so your shadow fit in your circualr frame |
| 01:01.11 | Angayelle | cutting the edges |
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| 01:01.54 | Angayelle | and then you move you relative point according to your numbers |
| 01:03.12 | Napoleone | well i had that using the width (since the tex is 100 then -100 to 100 in abs would give me the width needed, and width/2 and each shadow using a width/2 to show amount of shadow depending on the texcoords aswell |
| 01:03.17 | Napoleone | hate explaining this one |
| 01:03.29 | Napoleone | http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8050/wowscrnshot112710020149.jpg |
| 01:03.32 | Lulia | If I do: texture:SetRotation(90) it should rotate the texture 90 degrees counter clockwise, yes? |
| 01:04.03 | Angayelle | pretty napoleone |
| 01:04.18 | Angayelle | it should lulia |
| 01:04.34 | Lulia | *sighs* But it isn't :-/ |
| 01:04.36 | Napoleone | now thinking about animating it. but need some guide with a counter andshit |
| 01:05.44 | Angayelle | i haven't understand blizzard animation api yet |
| 01:05.55 | Angayelle | anyway, off to bed now |
| 01:05.57 | Napoleone | hehe makes 2 of us |
| 01:06.32 | Lulia | It's literally not rotating it at all |
| 01:06.42 | Napoleone | think its only for animation frames |
| 01:06.45 | Lulia | Oh |
| 01:06.56 | Lulia | It's listed under texture |
| 01:07.14 | Lulia | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetRotation |
| 01:07.30 | Napoleone | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#rotation |
| 01:07.54 | Lulia | That's not what I'm using though |
| 01:08.11 | Lulia | I'm using SetRotation under Textures |
| 01:08.30 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 01:08.35 | Napoleone | try a uneven number |
| 01:08.40 | Napoleone | not 90 and stuff |
| 01:08.43 | Napoleone | try 33 |
| 01:13.32 | Lulia | Tried 97 |
| 01:13.36 | Lulia | didn't do anything |
| 01:13.41 | Lulia | It's just not rotating it at all |
| 01:13.52 | Lulia | Oh, I think I know why |
| 01:15.52 | Lulia | Well, now that that's fixed |
| 01:15.58 | Lulia | I need to find out why I'm bad at math |
| 01:17.27 | Napoleone | what? |
| 01:18.03 | Lulia | I'm trying to rotate a left-to-right texture to a top-to-bottom texture |
| 01:18.09 | Napoleone | lol |
| 01:18.20 | Lulia | But apparently I'm bad at math, because I can't figure out what the Radians would be for that |
| 01:18.27 | Lulia | At first I figured it would be 95 |
| 01:18.34 | Lulia | But that left it skewed diagonally |
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| 01:18.40 | Napoleone | 45 right |
| 01:19.25 | Lulia | 45 didn't do it either |
| 01:20.37 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 01:22.06 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/EclipseBars-SkewedRadians1.jpg |
| 01:22.08 | Lulia | That's 45 |
| 01:22.29 | Napoleone | 90 should do it |
| 01:22.37 | Blu|AFK | nslookup vent2.gameservers.com <---- someone run this on their computer and tell me if it's resolving to an ip address for them |
| 01:22.38 | Lulia | It didnt |
| 01:23.04 | Napoleone | nop |
| 01:23.05 | Napoleone | nothing |
| 01:23.09 | Napoleone | there it responded |
| 01:23.47 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/EclipseBars-SkewedRadians2.jpg |
| 01:23.49 | Lulia | There's 90 |
| 01:24.14 | Napoleone | lol |
| 01:25.27 | Lulia | It makes no sense |
| 01:26.45 | Lulia | apparently it's somewhere around 67.5 |
| 01:28.09 | Napoleone | it does |
| 01:28.12 | Napoleone | something with PI |
| 01:28.25 | Lulia | 68 is way skewed |
| 01:28.32 | Lulia | So it's tight to decimal places |
| 01:28.46 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 01:28.53 | Napoleone | you want it 90degrees rotation? |
| 01:28.59 | Lulia | yup |
| 01:30.04 | Napoleone | http://www.iblog.co.za/wp-content/blogs.dir/5043/uploads//alg2_radians.bmp |
| 01:30.13 | Napoleone | SetRotation(math.pi/2) |
| 01:31.07 | Lulia | If I wasn't bad at math... |
| 01:31.28 | Lulia | Thanks Napoleone :) |
| 01:31.33 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 01:31.46 | Napoleone | it all depends on how radians work because what we see is DEGREES ;P |
| 01:33.11 | Lulia | For some reason, messing with its rotation makes it smaller |
| 01:33.18 | Lulia | But the rotation and size values are untouched |
| 01:33.46 | Napoleone | it dpeends on orginal size of texture i think |
| 01:34.29 | Lulia | Well the texture's original size is the same as its size in game |
| 01:35.13 | tlund | Bluspacecow: |
| 01:35.17 | tlund | $ dig +short vent2.gameservers.com. ANY |
| 01:35.17 | tlund | 63.209.37.218 |
| 01:35.31 | Bluspacecow | thanks |
| 01:35.47 | Lulia | At this point I'm considering just throwing in some vertical textures and having it use those instead of vertical is set |
| 01:35.47 | Shirik | Bluspacecow.... |
| 01:35.50 | Lulia | Rather than rotate it |
| 01:35.51 | Bluspacecow | looks like my dns sever hasnt expired the lease on the old one |
| 01:35.54 | Shirik | watch this |
| 01:35.55 | Bluspacecow | *kicks it* |
| 01:36.00 | Shirik | ~dns vent2.gameservers.com |
| 01:36.01 | Bluspacecow | *is watching* |
| 01:36.11 | Bluspacecow | wow purl knows dns |
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| 01:36.17 | Bluspacecow | does it know kung guf too ? |
| 01:36.25 | Bluspacecow | *kung fu |
| 01:36.26 | Shirik | ~chop Bluspacecow |
| 01:36.31 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:36.33 | Shirik | thought she did |
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| 01:36.38 | Shirik | ~whalechop Bluspacecow |
| 01:36.45 | Shirik | oh well |
| 01:36.47 | Shirik | ~stab Bluspacecow |
| 01:36.47 | purl | ACTION runs at Bluspacecow with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 01:36.58 | Bluspacecow | thats not kung fu :( |
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| 01:42.46 | Adys | what's the address of the new wow armory? |
| 01:43.37 | Bluspacecow | eu or us ? |
| 01:43.44 | Adys | who cares |
| 01:43.52 | Warlocomotif | heh |
| 01:44.13 | Bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/muradin/bluspacecow/ |
| 01:44.17 | Bluspacecow | ^^ my fail gear |
| 01:44.30 | Bluspacecow | that armory ? |
| 01:44.31 | Adys | thanks |
| 01:44.34 | Adys | yea |
| 01:44.55 | Warlocomotif | something interesting; I found that if you remove the last /, it borks |
| 01:45.15 | Warlocomotif | or atleast, I thought that was interesting |
| 01:45.36 | Bluspacecow | yes |
| 01:45.40 | Bluspacecow | my gear is fail |
| 01:46.23 | A-KO | ohai Bluspacecow |
| 01:46.28 | A-KO | I see j00 from another channel |
| 01:46.29 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:46.34 | Bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 01:46.54 | Bluspacecow | in which i am op |
| 01:46.56 | Bluspacecow | strangely enough |
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| 01:49.32 | Napoleone | is it better to save a bunch of variables with player and target info, and then make a check if something changed then update frame |
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| 01:53.34 | Shirik | aw |
| 01:54.04 | A-KO | http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/pregnant-woman-stabbed-24-times-1.877635 < holy shit |
| 01:54.23 | A-KO | all 4 of those involved she be brought on attempted doulbe murder charges |
| 01:54.57 | Napoleone | omg lol |
| 01:55.02 | Napoleone | even shot and SURVIVED lol |
| 01:56.59 | Bluspacecow | O_O |
| 01:57.02 | Bluspacecow | shes rasputian |
| 01:57.06 | Bluspacecow | reborn! |
| 01:57.39 | Jamash | A-KO: only if she already gave birth |
| 02:00.40 | A-KO | http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=13217&title=tsa-terrorize-a-disabled-4-year-old-boy-by-removing-his-leg-braces--then-forcing-him-to-walk < that's fucked up too |
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| 02:02.33 | Napoleone | is there a way to unset a variable |
| 02:05.18 | Napoleone | lolz |
| 02:06.18 | Bluspacecow | assign a null value? |
| 02:06.25 | Napoleone | ye doing that |
| 02:07.15 | Napoleone | hmm where do i activate the tain shit |
| 02:07.28 | Napoleone | i'm only getting the Interface Action failed because of an addon |
| 02:07.47 | Yssaril | _/taintlog 1 (i think) |
| 02:10.36 | Shirik | Want to see amazon's site taking a shit? |
| 02:10.48 | Shirik | I bought the collector's edition from them. When I click on it, it takes me to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O6N74S/ref=oss_product |
| 02:10.58 | Shirik | Which shows the standard version because they don't sell the collector's edition anymore |
| 02:11.02 | Shirik | but down at the bottom, it says |
| 02:11.10 | Shirik | % buy the item featured on this page: |
| 02:11.10 | Shirik | World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Collector's Edition by Blizzard Entertainment Windows Vista / XP |
| 02:11.15 | Shirik | 6%* |
| 02:11.20 | Shirik | which is not featured on that page |
| 02:11.38 | Shirik | even the description is for the collector's edition |
| 02:11.56 | Bluspacecow | my tea is strong |
| 02:12.02 | Bluspacecow | 3 herbal tea bags strong |
| 02:12.05 | Bluspacecow | rawwwwrrrrr |
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| 02:17.15 | Adys | wtf |
| 02:17.24 | Adys | why am i receiving honor points when completing a normal dungeon? |
| 02:17.25 | Bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 02:17.34 | Napoleone | WinterGrasp |
| 02:17.34 | Bluspacecow | yr special |
| 02:17.39 | Adys | oh ya |
| 02:17.40 | Bluspacecow | and the game likes you |
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| 02:27.29 | Napoleone | grr i cant change my frames height in combat forgot that |
| 02:35.25 | Lulia | :P |
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| 02:38.32 | Bluspacecow | ... |
| 02:39.37 | Bluspacecow | STEAM SPECIALS |
| 02:39.49 | Bluspacecow | YES! *pumps hand* |
| 02:40.00 | Arrowmaster | finally get torchlight? |
| 02:40.07 | Bluspacecow | buying it now for $5 |
| 02:40.09 | Bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:40.11 | Bluspacecow | :) |
| 02:40.15 | Bluspacecow | smiley fail |
| 02:40.36 | Arrowmaster | i bought my 3rd copy of World of Goo today |
| 02:41.21 | Bluspacecow | *dances* |
| 02:41.23 | Bluspacecow | world of goo ? |
| 02:41.38 | Arrowmaster | its part of todays $5 indie bundle |
| 02:42.22 | Arrowmaster | http://store.steampowered.com/app/22000/ |
| 02:43.39 | Bluspacecow | nice |
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| 03:01.48 | Adys | Cide |
| 03:08.29 | Komodo- | how do you not know world of goo Blu|Torchlight |
| 03:08.34 | Komodo- | what rock have you been under |
| 03:08.47 | Komodo- | Arrowmaster were you able to gift games in the bundle you already owned? |
| 03:08.49 | Blu|Torchlight | *hides under rock* |
| 03:09.43 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to, i didnt own it on steam yet so i cant gift it since i only have 1 copy on steam |
| 03:10.11 | Arrowmaster | i was just playing the native linux version when you pinged me |
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| 03:11.39 | Napoleone | lo lyou been to the pleasure palace yet? |
| 03:12.12 | Blu|Torchlight | in which game ? wow ? |
| 03:12.15 | Napoleone | ye |
| 03:12.18 | Napoleone | in azhara |
| 03:12.26 | Blu|Torchlight | nah |
| 03:12.30 | Napoleone | we climbed up there ;P |
| 03:12.36 | Napoleone | shouldnt be accessible |
| 03:12.41 | Blu|Torchlight | im in for slowly exploring the zones with new toons of appopriate lvel |
| 03:12.42 | Napoleone | before flying mounts |
| 03:13.56 | Blu|Torchlight | *face palm* |
| 03:14.08 | Blu|Torchlight | sold some armor in torchlight worth 14 k gold |
| 03:14.10 | Blu|Torchlight | fail |
| 03:17.06 | Amarande | gah, WHAT magic FP am I missing |
| 03:17.14 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 03:17.18 | Amarande | I got the Burning Steppes off of Hero's Call board in IF |
| 03:17.22 | Napoleone | theres an achievement for em? |
| 03:17.36 | Amarande | so I go to Thelsamar, out the southwestern corner into Burning Steppes, I pick up the FP there before I go through Blackrock Mountain |
| 03:17.40 | Amarande | I pick up the FP in Burning Steppes |
| 03:17.50 | Amarande | and apparently, I can go between BS and SG, but they're disconnected from everything else |
| 03:17.57 | Amarande | I'm not sure which one I needed to get that I didn't. |
| 03:18.06 | Komodo- | new addon |
| 03:18.08 | Komodo- | fp monitor |
| 03:18.22 | Amarande | Komodo: which FP do I need to pick up to link those with SW and IF? |
| 03:18.34 | Komodo- | i dont know! |
| 03:18.51 | kd3 | did you get thorium point? |
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| 03:19.29 | kd3 | and uh... morgan's vigil in the steppes |
| 03:20.18 | Amarande | I don't believe I got to Morgan's yet ... the first Alliance FP you get in Steppes is pretty much right outside Blackrock Mountain now |
| 03:20.36 | kd3 | yes. it is. but morgan's is the one that connects elsewhere |
| 03:21.00 | Amarande | ah, so despite what the IF Hero's Call board says, you're really meant to go up from SW through Elwynn and Redridge so you hit Morgan's first? |
| 03:21.43 | Amarande | I usually tend to avoid SW/Orgrimmar unless I actually need to go specifically there. heh. |
| 03:21.44 | kd3 | no. you're sent there from the searing gorge, so you'd connect via that direction |
| 03:21.56 | Amarande | yeah, which means I missed something on the way down Searing Gorge |
| 03:22.04 | kd3 | there's a new FP just north of brm |
| 03:22.13 | Amarande | when I got into SG, I stayed on the road leading south, and yeah, that's the FP I recall getting |
| 03:22.23 | kd3 | then you didn't get thorium point |
| 03:22.28 | Amarande | but that's apparently only connected to the one I got in BS, and not to the rest of my flight matrix. |
| 03:22.43 | Amarande | ah, I'm guessing they actually expected that you DID Searing Gorge and explored the whole thing before you moved on to BS, then |
| 03:22.49 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:22.53 | Amarande | perhaps an oversight |
| 03:23.08 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Cata_Alliance_EK_flights.jpg |
| 03:23.09 | Amarande | since, especially if you do the dungeon quests you're given (and the quests you get in the dungeons after you zone in there) |
| 03:23.27 | Amarande | well ... I go into WPL at 34-35 and I didn't leave EPL till 49 |
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| 03:24.08 | Amarande | EPL gets you far past 45, which means you're likely not to quest SG at all, and thus miss Thorium Point, since it's not on the way to BS |
| 03:24.08 | Shirik | !api broadcast |
| 03:24.09 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'broadcast': CHAT_MSG_BN_INLINE_TOAST_BROADCAST_INFORM, CHAT_MSG_BN_INLINE_TOAST_BROADCAST |
| 03:24.12 | Shirik | !api BN |
| 03:24.13 | lua_bot | Found 104 possible matches for 'BN'. Please be more specific |
| 03:24.17 | Shirik | :/ |
| 03:24.36 | Amarande | similarly, poor guy with the breadcrumb to Badlands ... poor Badlands really, that zone is probably going to barely get done |
| 03:24.59 | kd3 | it makes sense if you don't do the hero's call board and just follow the natural zone progression |
| 03:25.03 | Amarande | I mean really ... any other zone than EPL someone might leave when things all start going green, but EPL is probably the shining jewel of Blizzard's design this world revision |
| 03:25.44 | Amarande | probably the most fun set of friendly NPCs Blizzard has ever created |
| 03:27.38 | Blu|Torchlight | !apu BN_ |
| 03:27.42 | Blu|Torchlight | fail |
| 03:27.43 | Amarande | kd3: actually, what happens now tends to be pretty much that you go to WPL at 34, you do that and it gets you to about 42-43, particularly if you have a gathering profession. |
| 03:27.47 | Blu|Torchlight | !api BN_ |
| 03:27.47 | lua_bot | Found 45 possible matches for 'BN_'. Please be more specific |
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| 03:27.51 | Blu|Torchlight | :\ |
| 03:28.09 | Amarande | then you go to EPL, and you love the content there, so you finish the whole thing, meanwhile - unlike almost all the other dungeon quests that you get in dungeon now and never see unless you specifically went to the dungeon |
| 03:28.33 | Amarande | the Argent Dawn guy gives you quests for Scholo and Strath, which lead you in and thus to a ton of dungeon XP and to oodles of quests each |
| 03:29.00 | Amarande | so you're high 40s, and you've finished all your quests. unless you consider going to Badlands via the breadcrumb at Light's Hope (which you're almost outleveling now) |
| 03:29.20 | Amarande | you're going to go back to SW or IF and check the Hero's Call board. that's how I ended up having to walk again and go get Thorium Point now. :) |
| 03:30.27 | Amarande | Well ok I didn't quite finish *all* of EPL. I skipped Battle for Darrowshire, because that's apparently still a buggy mess :) |
| 03:30.33 | Blu|Torchlight | sold my boom stick |
| 03:30.34 | Blu|Torchlight | :( |
| 03:30.37 | Lulia | It took me almost a half and hour to realize that I had a not in my if statement that was screwing everything up... |
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| 03:51.49 | Lulia | Nobgul around? |
| 03:54.03 | Arrowmaster | Blu|Torchlight: what level are you in torchlight? i dont think ive seen armor worth that much yet |
| 03:54.37 | Blu|Torchlight | it was in the level that guy opens up special for you |
| 03:54.41 | Blu|Torchlight | for treaure hunters |
| 03:54.54 | Blu|Torchlight | it when i was level 7 |
| 03:54.57 | Arrowmaster | that guy opens lots of portals |
| 03:55.13 | Blu|Torchlight | .... |
| 03:55.17 | Blu|Torchlight | i forgot :( |
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| 03:55.54 | Nobgul|Raiding | Lulia:, tonight i had errors all night long |
| 03:56.11 | Lulia | :( |
| 03:56.18 | Lulia | internal errors or wow errors? |
| 03:58.02 | Blu|Torchlight | do the fish do anything other then turn your pet into various things for 120 seconds ? |
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| 04:01.37 | Arrowmaster | yes there are some rare ones |
| 04:02.57 | Hirsute | Wait... EPL is a level 40-50 zone now? |
| 04:04.01 | Blu|Torchlight | yarrr |
| 04:04.39 | Hirsute | I'm bummed I didn't go there on my druid, then. Just dinged 50 on the druid, and leveling in Un'Goro/Winterspring now. |
| 04:05.52 | Blu|Torchlight | http://www.wowhead.com/blog=174523/cataclysm-old-world-zone-changes |
| 04:06.02 | Blu|Torchlight | ^^^ read that , it will have what levels zones are now |
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| 04:11.36 | Blu|Torchlight | "During the event she's standing on the crates right by the path on the east side of Darnassus." |
| 04:13.18 | Nobgul|Raiding | All intenral |
| 04:13.40 | Nobgul|Raiding | I raid sunday night i hope your around. Ill keep the log open and you can see it via the video |
| 04:15.37 | Lulia | Alright |
| 04:15.53 | Lulia | I just finished everything I wanted to get done with this version |
| 04:16.20 | Lulia | So I'll see if I can work on implementing the editbox frame for the internal message-handler window |
| 04:16.48 | Shirik | ok guys |
| 04:16.50 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 04:16.56 | Shirik | lua> return "\227\129\138\227\129\175\227\130\136\227\129\134" |
| 04:16.56 | Cide | C++ |
| 04:16.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: ãã¯ãã |
| 04:17.01 | Lulia | If you get a chance, definitely play around with the new layout features for Eclipse |
| 04:17.05 | Shirik | how do I convince WoW to send this in BNSetCustomMessage() |
| 04:17.25 | Lulia | wth was that O.o |
| 04:17.28 | Cide | have you solved it? |
| 04:17.48 | Cide | or are you asking for help |
| 04:18.06 | Shirik | I'm asking for help |
| 04:18.11 | Shirik | All it does is send ? |
| 04:18.35 | Cide | maybe that means it doesn't support utf8 |
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| 04:23.34 | Shirik | Cide |
| 04:23.35 | Shirik | that's evil |
| 04:26.53 | Adys | Cide |
| 04:27.00 | Adys | how do I catch errors in lua? |
| 04:27.07 | Cide | pcall |
| 04:27.13 | Adys | kty |
| 04:27.16 | Adys | oh |
| 04:27.19 | Adys | i already asked that |
| 04:27.33 | Cide | Shirik: yeah, but not terribly surprising |
| 04:27.35 | Blu|Torchlight | lolz |
| 04:27.47 | Blu|Torchlight | i tried to equp some shoulders on my head |
| 04:27.51 | Blu|Torchlight | they looked like a helmet ! |
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| 04:30.52 | Adys | Cide: still not working |
| 04:31.07 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/280423/ |
| 04:31.34 | Adys | Message: Interface\AddOns\FindIt\FindIt.lua:98: Achievement ID 1 not found in GetAchievementInfo |
| 04:31.37 | Cide | first arg is return value |
| 04:31.42 | Cide | I believe |
| 04:31.52 | Adys | um |
| 04:31.57 | Cide | you need local _, ok = pcall(...) |
| 04:32.00 | Cide | if ok then |
| 04:32.01 | Adys | yeah but that doesnt chan |
| 04:32.01 | Adys | ah |
| 04:33.04 | Adys | no, still errors |
| 04:33.11 | Adys | unless |
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| 04:33.39 | Adys | yeah it still errors |
| 04:33.53 | Cide | errors how |
| 04:34.06 | Adys | try it, /run pcall(GetAchievementInfo(1)) |
| 04:34.31 | Adys | Message: [string "pcall(GetAchievementInfo(1))"]:1: Achievement ID 1 not found in GetAchievementInfo |
| 04:34.33 | Cide | oh |
| 04:35.16 | Cide | it's pcall(function() GetAchievementInfo(1) end) |
| 04:35.51 | Adys | ah |
| 04:35.53 | Adys | i see |
| 04:36.03 | Adys | yeah of course |
| 04:36.23 | Cide | or pcall(GetAchievementInfo, 1) |
| 04:36.55 | Cide | and first param is ok, not second |
| 04:36.56 | Adys | sweet |
| 04:37.51 | Adys | supersweet |
| 04:40.45 | Adys | Iriel, or anyone remembers what function is called to get the link for an instance lock? |
| 04:40.47 | Adys | !api lock |
| 04:40.47 | lua_bot | Found 51 possible matches for 'lock'. Please be more specific |
| 04:40.50 | Adys | !api link |
| 04:40.51 | lua_bot | Found 42 possible matches for 'link'. Please be more specific |
| 04:40.53 | Adys | =( |
| 04:41.02 | Iriel | Adys: I dont recall |
| 04:41.17 | Blu|Torchlight | hahaha |
| 04:41.37 | Blu|Torchlight | my pet is a gelatinous blob |
| 04:41.49 | Adys | GetSavedInstanceChatLink |
| 04:41.56 | Adys | and GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo |
| 04:42.01 | Adys | er, GetSavedInstanceInfo |
| 04:50.20 | Adys | |cffff8000|Hinstancelock:010000000206A7BB:556:1:5|h[Auchindoun: Sethekk Halls]|h|r |
| 04:50.22 | Adys | blah ... |
| 04:51.43 | Cide | so |
| 04:51.49 | Cide | disc in instances is the best |
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| 04:52.18 | Cide | it transforms healing, which actually requires paying attention in 5 man instances |
| 04:52.23 | Cide | to dps |
| 04:52.37 | Cide | one button spam ftw |
| 04:52.53 | cralor | So my AddOn has an embedded library manually placed (it is required - not optional) that I want included in the AddOn downloaded, but when I commit to the WoWAce SVN, the included library does not get included. What is the function to, so to speak, "bring back to default settings and re-upload". It has a green checkmark in TortoiseSVN. |
| 04:53.34 | Adys | !api sub |
| 04:53.34 | lua_bot | Found 22 possible matches for 'sub'. Please be more specific |
| 04:53.37 | Adys | !api str.sub |
| 04:53.37 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'str.sub'. |
| 04:53.41 | Adys | !api string.sub |
| 04:53.42 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.sub' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.sub |
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| 04:56.16 | Adys | !api getinstanceinfo |
| 04:56.16 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getinstanceinfo': CommentatorGetInstanceInfo, GetInstanceInfo |
| 04:56.53 | Cide | should just open the page lazyass |
| 04:57.09 | Adys | yea yea |
| 04:58.56 | Cide | watched inception for the second tiem today |
| 04:59.16 | Cide | man that movie is great |
| 05:00.24 | Gagorian | watched it for the first time today, couldn't take it that seriously after South Park had poked fun at the complexity of the plot |
| 05:00.54 | Cide | ?? |
| 05:01.04 | Cide | that's like one of its greatest strengths |
| 05:01.31 | Cide | the plot is pretty complicated (but not extremely I would say) but the movie still covers almost all aspects of it beautifully |
| 05:02.06 | Arrowmaster | well it still leaves you wondering though, it doesnt cover everything |
| 05:02.15 | Cide | right |
| 05:02.29 | Cide | it doesn't cover the real truth |
| 05:02.46 | Cide | but it explains the concepts very well and most of the details are consistent throughout the whole movie |
| 05:03.25 | Cide | and the ending is pretty nolany |
| 05:03.33 | Arrowmaster | somebody said theres even details of he is always wearing his wedding ring when in a dream |
| 05:04.15 | Cide | ha, nice |
| 05:05.02 | Cide | his totem is never seen toppling as far as I could see either |
| 05:05.30 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 05:05.53 | Arrowmaster | there is the one scene where it does but it seems more like he dropped it |
| 05:06.02 | Cide | in the bathroom? |
| 05:06.03 | Arrowmaster | the one in the bathroom |
| 05:06.10 | Cide | after he dreams about mal |
| 05:06.37 | Cide | ya, it seemed like it just dropped off the table to me |
| 05:06.43 | Arrowmaster | sink |
| 05:06.46 | Cide | asink yeah |
| 05:06.49 | Cide | sink |
| 05:09.17 | Adys | Iriel: can you poke the blizz ui guys and tell them to do safety checks on instancelock links |
| 05:09.41 | Adys | its so easy to crash the client with the wrong guid, or omitting any of the link options after the id |
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| 05:09.55 | Arrowmaster | client crash? lol |
| 05:09.57 | Cide | should give some crash cases |
| 05:10.24 | Adys | Arrowmaster: try SetItemRef("instancelock:533") |
| 05:10.37 | Arrowmaster | Adys: remember, no active account |
| 05:10.53 | Adys | activate it so that i can prove my point |
| 05:13.54 | Nobgul|Raiding | Can someone look at a snippet of code for me and see if it is right. |
| 05:13.55 | Nobgul|Raiding | http://www.isoverninethousand.info/paste/index.php/view/raw/30946920 |
| 05:14.05 | Cide | what |
| 05:14.06 | Cide | kind |
| 05:14.08 | Cide | of paste |
| 05:14.09 | Cide | page |
| 05:14.11 | Cide | is that |
| 05:14.27 | Arrowmaster | cide |
| 05:14.29 | Arrowmaster | likes |
| 05:14.34 | Arrowmaster | to speak |
| 05:14.41 | Adys | arrowmaster |
| 05:14.42 | Adys | is slow |
| 05:14.43 | Arrowmaster | in short |
| 05:14.47 | Arrowmaster | sentances |
| 05:14.47 | Adys | i like talking |
| 05:14.49 | Adys | in between |
| 05:14.49 | Cide | I'm in love with newlines |
| 05:14.53 | Adys | Arrowmaster's lines |
| 05:14.54 | Nobgul|Raiding | err its wrong |
| 05:15.03 | Cide | now redo it with the paste page in topic |
| 05:15.06 | Nobgul|Raiding | Cide its the pastebin on my website lol |
| 05:15.10 | Arrowmaster | goes back to watching anime |
| 05:15.23 | Cide | don't like it |
| 05:15.28 | Cide | it has no page numbers |
| 05:15.39 | Arrowmaster | line numbers? |
| 05:15.40 | Cide | line numbers rather |
| 05:16.17 | Nobgul|Raiding | Yer it did. dunno why it doesnt now =P |
| 05:16.31 | Adys | Cide uses so many newlines, he sets his irc timestamps to %h:%m:%s and uses these as line numbers. |
| 05:16.35 | Amarande | oh wow, this guy doesn't realize how much he realistically would be cruisin' for it LOL |
| 05:16.44 | cralor | Nobgul|Raiding: http://www.isoverninethousand.info/paste/index.php/view/30946920 |
| 05:16.45 | Cide | yep |
| 05:16.52 | Cide | too bad I can only code from midnight and on |
| 05:17.03 | Amarande | he's talking to my character, who's female, and saying ... "Judging by your weight, build, and size, we're going to dress you as an ogre." |
| 05:17.17 | Amarande | yeaaaaaaaaah. just try saying that to a woman. LOL |
| 05:17.18 | Nobgul|Raiding | lol Cide |
| 05:17.27 | cralor | Nobgul|Raiding: (that's the correct link you were wanting to use) |
| 05:19.26 | Nobgul|Raiding | meeh |
| 05:21.28 | cralor | Anyway, assuming all your method calls are correct, you just need to fix your if then statements: http://www.isoverninethousand.info/paste/index.php/view/97274506 |
| 05:21.58 | Nobgul|Raiding | cheers cralor. |
| 05:22.06 | Nobgul|Raiding | Ill fix the pastebin later to show line numbers =/ |
| 05:22.15 | cralor | But then again, I'm not sure if that is the functionality you are looking for. Is it? |
| 05:22.21 | cralor | Oh it does. |
| 05:22.24 | cralor | Go to my link |
| 05:22.41 | cralor | You just initially gave a bad link |
| 05:22.54 | Nobgul|Raiding | Yer. Just want it to hide the bar / frame with on a hunter |
| 05:23.08 | Nobgul|Raiding | i see i forgot the elseif |
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| 05:29.15 | Cide | fuck you Fei Fei |
| 05:29.22 | Cide | 10 unsatisfied hiding spots and counting |
| 05:33.38 | Cide | oh |
| 05:33.46 | Cide | I guess it's predetermined |
| 05:33.49 | Cide | gg not wowheading |
| 05:37.44 | Cairenn | Wobin, mikma: awwww! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/03/25/funny-pictures-friendship/ |
| 05:38.39 | Nobgul|Raiding | nic |
| 05:38.40 | Nobgul|Raiding | e |
| 05:47.40 | Arrowmaster | gah tortilla chips too salty |
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| 06:02.40 | Adys | Cide! |
| 06:02.56 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/findit/blob/master/FindIt/FindIt.lua \o/ |
| 06:03.05 | Adys | findinstance ftw |
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| 06:04.10 | rosco762 | Hey guys wassup |
| 06:04.21 | Amarande | hmm, this might be a bug. |
| 06:04.32 | rosco762 | A bug? |
| 06:04.37 | Amarande | when you're doing the Alliance quest in Burning Steppes where you have to club Blackrock troops |
| 06:04.47 | Amarande | if one discovers you and you have to club him to death to not be unmasked |
| 06:04.52 | Amarande | *each hit* counts as quest credit for a soldier |
| 06:05.15 | rosco762 | oh |
| 06:05.27 | rosco762 | I hvae a question aobut the new rep tabards. |
| 06:05.48 | Dagmar | Yeah, like, where the hell are they |
| 06:05.51 | Dagmar | heh |
| 06:06.07 | Amarande | also, you can apparently club the same soldier 20 times potentially if you don't get discovered |
| 06:06.09 | rosco762 | No you can fin them at the quarter masters in the major cities |
| 06:06.32 | rosco762 | I watn to know what dungs get you SW rep |
| 06:06.57 | Amarande | Any dungeon, as long as you're wearing the tabard |
| 06:08.10 | rosco762 | Are you sure? |
| 06:09.03 | rosco762 | It sem s that they only work in azeroth dungs and that really ticks me of |
| 06:09.05 | rosco762 | f] |
| 06:09.31 | Dagmar | Well, I did the tournament so I'm exalted with pretty much everyone now |
| 06:09.49 | rosco762 | Getting the other city mounts will be a hell of alot easier now though |
| 06:10.01 | rosco762 | I thinkly the game should be harder not easier |
| 06:10.07 | Dagmar | I have a bitch now, er squire |
| 06:10.45 | Adys | i'm probably the only one remembering people farming swamp of sorrows to get stormwind rep. |
| 06:11.37 | Arrowmaster | sorry i played horde so i dont remember that |
| 06:11.53 | Adys | Sorry isn't good enough |
| 06:12.36 | rosco762 | lol |
| 06:13.27 | rosco762 | No I'm just trying to get 100 mounts but I just need to get city mounts for SW and Darn to get it. |
| 06:14.02 | Arrowmaster | lazy bums |
| 06:14.19 | rosco762 | BRB going to grab a Dr.pepper from the fridge |
| 06:14.26 | Arrowmaster | i had faction mounts back in BC |
| 06:14.37 | Arrowmaster | all but one i think |
| 06:16.21 | rosco762 | a |
| 06:16.26 | rosco762 | Do |
| 06:16.34 | rosco762 | you still play |
| 06:16.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:16.56 | rosco762 | Oh then why be on this channel |
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| 06:17.12 | Arrowmaster | why not? |
| 06:17.20 | rosco762 | touche |
| 06:17.35 | rosco762 | Why don't you play anymore |
| 06:18.12 | Arrowmaster | but seriously i got exalted with all factions but silvermoon just doing quests |
| 06:18.22 | Arrowmaster | non repeatable quests |
| 06:18.41 | rosco762 | Horde make me angry as hell |
| 06:19.23 | rosco762 | I've always loved darn's mounts |
| 06:20.01 | Jamash | I didn't because quests gave less rep if you did them at high levels |
| 06:20.10 | rosco762 | But I went with Drenaie DK because of size and compatability |
| 06:20.35 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: they changed that in BC |
| 06:20.41 | rosco762 | So earning rep isnt that hard anymore |
| 06:20.59 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: I know, but I already had done almost all the quests in the old world when BC came out |
| 06:21.05 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 06:21.16 | rosco762 | WOTLK was alot more easy of a change than cata |
| 06:21.41 | Jamash | then I used runecloth turn-ins to get exalted with silvermoon |
| 06:22.00 | Jamash | then ToC came out -_- |
| 06:23.27 | Arrowmaster | i just remember when 2.0 came out and they changed the black war mounts i got a black war kodo to replace my razzashi raptor but shortly into BC i had the rep to get the normal kodos and most other mounts too, but i never got most of them due to no room until 3.0 |
| 06:23.47 | Arrowmaster | do orcs on raptors still get stuck everywhere? |
| 06:23.54 | rosco762 | yuppers |
| 06:24.01 | Napoleone | try taurens on raptors |
| 06:24.08 | Napoleone | cant fit anywhere ;P |
| 06:24.10 | rosco762 | It's so funny in BG's |
| 06:24.36 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if ive still got pics of the 100foot tauren in org |
| 06:24.46 | rosco762 | Man I don't remember a time when I used runecloth |
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| 06:24.50 | Napoleone | with that couldron? |
| 06:25.00 | rosco762 | I collect about 15 stacks of frostweave a day |
| 06:25.04 | Arrowmaster | was back in 1.x when size buffs stacked |
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| 06:25.55 | Jamash | I actually got to exalted with silvermoon like two weeks before the argent tournament grounds were patched in |
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| 06:26.04 | Arrowmaster | 100ft tauren hunter wearing dreadmist with an untamed blade standing ontop of a giant raptor mount |
| 06:26.31 | Jamash | 15 stacks a day? what are you doing? |
| 06:27.11 | Napoleone | in food and meat.. what is a hounch |
| 06:27.17 | Jamash | haunch |
| 06:27.18 | Napoleone | haunch |
| 06:27.28 | Amarande | bah @ guild name <Gearscore is SRSBSNSS> |
| 06:27.36 | Amarande | Good thing they're Horde. |
| 06:27.43 | rosco762 | I do ICC about 4 times a day |
| 06:27.54 | Napoleone | in other words with the meat? |
| 06:27.55 | rosco762 | Kill everything around it and that gets me plenty |
| 06:28.08 | Napoleone | because worg haunch is the trash icon of the heart |
| 06:28.18 | Thunder_Child | it's the ass more or less |
| 06:28.30 | Thunder_Child | ~dict haunch |
| 06:28.32 | Jamash | "the loin and leg of a quadruped" |
| 06:28.37 | rosco762 | I save about 100 stacks and overtake the AH by selling them all for 20g |
| 06:28.55 | Jamash | rosco762: don't you have anything better to do? |
| 06:29.04 | rosco762 | Yes i do |
| 06:29.09 | rosco762 | But I don't want to |
| 06:29.26 | rosco762 | I work at home and I canplay while i work |
| 06:29.50 | rosco762 | It's a good pay job too |
| 06:29.55 | Jamash | huh |
| 06:30.08 | rosco762 | I make a year worth of wow in 2 weks |
| 06:31.01 | Jamash | that's about $2/hr by my calculations |
| 06:31.02 | rosco762 | Th coolest thing of all is that everyone in the whole group plays wow |
| 06:31.19 | Arrowmaster | 2.25 |
| 06:31.26 | rosco762 | No weekends |
| 06:31.33 | rosco762 | not weeks |
| 06:31.37 | Jamash | ah |
| 06:31.46 | rosco762 | calculat that |
| 06:32.08 | Jamash | still sub-minimum wage |
| 06:32.24 | rosco762 | I only work 8 hours a day |
| 06:32.42 | rosco762 | 6 days a week |
| 06:32.55 | Jamash | lua>15*12/16 |
| 06:32.55 | lua_bot | Jamash: 11.25 |
| 06:33.05 | Jamash | okay, I was assuming both weekend days |
| 06:33.12 | Arrowmaster | lua> (15*12)/((40/5)*2) |
| 06:33.13 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 11.25 |
| 06:33.14 | rosco762 | I know you should |
| 06:33.29 | rosco762 | I take one day off on wednesdays |
| 06:33.41 | Arrowmaster | lua> (15*12)/((40/5)*6) |
| 06:33.41 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3.75 |
| 06:33.42 | rosco762 | I can go out without seeing tons of kids |
| 06:33.47 | Amarande | Looks like the rumors of the death of elemental mats are greatly exaggerated |
| 06:33.53 | Amarande | I've found a couple, fire and earth, since I got to the Blackrock areas |
| 06:34.08 | Amarande | But a *lot* less than used to drop, and I still haven't found any air or water element stuff yet |
| 06:34.38 | rosco762 | I have 1 kid |
| 06:34.42 | rosco762 | 7 years old |
| 06:35.00 | rosco762 | I'm the stay at home parent |
| 06:35.14 | rosco762 | That gives my a boost on the favorite |
| 06:36.56 | Jamash | do you still have to do SM for the strat west key? |
| 06:37.11 | rosco762 | M? |
| 06:37.15 | rosco762 | me? |
| 06:37.21 | Napoleone | scarlet key = removed |
| 06:37.23 | Jamash | k |
| 06:37.48 | Jamash | what about the key to the city and the scholo key? |
| 06:37.49 | rosco762 | Yay my son just got his first 80 |
| 06:37.55 | Jamash | huh |
| 06:37.58 | Jamash | grats? |
| 06:38.00 | Amarande | Jamash: those are gone, too |
| 06:38.05 | Jamash | hurrah |
| 06:38.12 | Amarande | the end of a tradition :( |
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| 06:38.24 | rosco762 | lol it's amazing he's only seven and he understands the game more than me |
| 06:38.26 | Amarande | every character I ever leveled I always did the scholo key chain on as a matter of course |
| 06:38.27 | Jamash | I'm on my 5th character, tradition be damned |
| 06:38.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: but warlocks are scholo keys |
| 06:39.05 | rosco762 | 80 mage |
| 06:39.14 | rosco762 | H can kick my ass |
| 06:39.37 | rosco762 | Of course I set him up untill 60 |
| 06:39.38 | Napoleone | lol I'm on 9th char |
| 06:39.45 | rosco762 | i left him at a 4k gs |
| 06:40.07 | rosco762 | i have my whole server filled and the lowest lev is 71 |
| 06:40.25 | rosco762 | but i only have 2 80 |
| 06:40.58 | Jamash | I just baleeted a level 21 rogue to make room for my goblin |
| 06:41.14 | Napoleone | same lol |
| 06:41.16 | Napoleone | lvl 32 |
| 06:41.21 | Jamash | wtb more slots |
| 06:41.33 | rosco762 | imma delete my mage |
| 06:41.39 | rosco762 | Make a hunter worgen |
| 06:41.59 | Arrowmaster | rogue alts are the best |
| 06:42.12 | Arrowmaster | especially when you twink them out |
| 06:42.31 | Arrowmaster | with something epic like a HWL sword |
| 06:42.38 | Jamash | I've never really seen the point of twinking |
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| 06:43.29 | Arrowmaster | my rogue alt wasnt really twinked but that HWL sword at 60 and sub spec made bgs just too fucking fun |
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| 06:45.45 | Jamash | doesn't that mean you face level 69 opponents? |
| 06:46.41 | Arrowmaster | im talking pre cheat death nerf |
| 06:46.53 | Jamash | I don't know what that is |
| 06:47.22 | Arrowmaster | talent that made rogues unstopable till they nerfed it to depend on resilance rating |
| 06:51.53 | Adys | Cairenn / dolby, ping |
| 06:52.02 | Cairenn | Adys: pong |
| 06:52.04 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 06:52.08 | Nobgul | lol |
| 06:52.19 | Adys | Cairenn: more as an fyi, the paypal instructions for http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=donations_dev are out of date |
| 06:52.32 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 06:52.41 | Adys | they've been for a few months |
| 06:52.44 | Adys | paypal buttons don't have IDs now, apparently |
| 06:53.22 | rosco762 | Anyone play dragons of atlantis on FB? |
| 06:53.51 | Adys | Cairenn: that said, any idea how to properly add a paypal button now? |
| 06:53.56 | Adys | on wowi |
| 06:54.22 | Cairenn | Adys: not sure - I know a lot of people are just using the pledgie one, it makes it a lot easier |
| 06:54.48 | Adys | i'll prolly do that too ya |
| 06:55.52 | nevcairiel | at least the donation button in the popup on download still works for me, using a paypal id |
| 06:56.07 | Adys | the old buttons prolly still exist |
| 06:56.21 | Adys | but the new ones at least look like this: http://dpaste.com/280448/ |
| 06:56.40 | dolby | got a sample of their button code? they still give me id's |
| 06:56.46 | dolby | even for new donation buttons |
| 06:56.48 | nevcairiel | hate those form buttons, why cant they just make them pure links |
| 06:57.17 | Blu|Torchlight | they got the memo |
| 06:57.37 | Adys | dolby: see the dpaste link above |
| 06:58.22 | dolby | maybe its because i have merchant account |
| 06:58.24 | dolby | its free |
| 06:58.42 | rosco762 | Siting here a 1:00 in the morning very sad because my puppy just died :( |
| 06:58.44 | dolby | or was when i got it |
| 07:02.49 | Bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:03.45 | rosco762 | I got him the day my son was born.\ |
| 07:04.07 | rosco762 | Oh wait, he's not dead |
| 07:04.27 | rosco762 | does anyone know how a dog stops his heart |
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| 07:04.37 | rosco762 | and neverblinks |
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| 07:04.44 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 07:05.11 | rosco762 | well, the layer of fat might block the movement |
| 07:05.26 | rosco762 | but it's been 10 minuets since he blinked |
| 07:05.39 | Cairenn | rosco762: if you are serious and not being an ass (aka joking around and thinking that that's funny) - if he really has stopped having a heartbeat or whatever then restarted - get him to a vet |
| 07:05.52 | Adys | rosco762: get off irc this moment and run to the vet now. |
| 07:06.02 | Adys | best advice anyone could give |
| 07:06.12 | Nobgul | nevcairiel: You around? |
| 07:06.19 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:06.28 | rosco762 | well im in the car now using my car laptop |
| 07:06.41 | Cairenn | stop typing and drive |
| 07:06.42 | Cairenn | geez |
| 07:06.50 | rosco762 | there's a keyboard on the wheel |
| 07:06.59 | Cairenn | you're still distracted |
| 07:07.01 | Cairenn | drive |
| 07:07.03 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 07:07.07 | rosco762 | im at ared light |
| 07:07.19 | rosco762 | nvm |
| 07:07.26 | rosco762 | talkt to yall later |
| 07:07.59 | nevcairiel | keyboard in the wheel .. if i ever get a car, i need that |
| 07:08.22 | rosco762 | helpful |
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| 07:09.05 | rosco762 | he seem s fine he's licking te window like crazy |
| 07:09.21 | rosco762 | but im almost at the vwt |
| 07:09.41 | rosco762 | get a few e-rays and get surgery if i have to |
| 07:09.53 | rosco762 | god forbid i have to put him down |
| 07:10.10 | Cairenn | good luck, fingers crossed for your puppy |
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| 07:10.58 | rosco762 | oh charlie |
| 07:11.14 | rosco762 | be back in a while guys wish me luck |
| 07:24.09 | NeoTron | Man was lucky with Mr. Grubbs |
| 07:30.23 | Sixen | Why would they make keyboards on steering wheels? |
| 07:30.25 | Sixen | I don't get it :X |
| 07:30.43 | Thunder_Child | so more people can die |
| 07:31.09 | Dagmar | Pray your looks never fade. |
| 07:31.20 | Bluspacecow | twitter "zomg this guy just cut me off *CRASH*" |
| 07:32.51 | rosco762 | Status report |
| 07:33.49 | rosco762 | I spent 150 bucks to find out that my dog swallowed a toxic chemical that he will shit out in 2 days! |
| 07:34.38 | nevcairiel | so the poison i used was not strong enough, eh |
| 07:34.44 | nevcairiel | revisists plans |
| 07:34.52 | nevcairiel | -s |
| 07:34.57 | Bluspacecow | ha |
| 07:34.58 | Bluspacecow | well |
| 07:35.04 | Bluspacecow | its better then a dead dog |
| 07:35.04 | rosco762 | Destroys plans |
| 07:35.12 | rosco762 | yes alot better |
| 07:35.31 | rosco762 | now he's back to licking my window |
| 07:35.46 | rosco762 | he likes the coldness on his tounge |
| 07:36.15 | Cairenn | the vet give him anything? |
| 07:36.27 | rosco762 | yup |
| 07:36.39 | rosco762 | Something to make ihm BM alot |
| 07:36.46 | Cairenn | nod |
| 07:36.54 | Cairenn | glad he'll be okay |
| 07:36.57 | rosco762 | and took 15o form my wallet |
| 07:37.08 | Cairenn | trust me, that's not bad :p |
| 07:37.22 | rosco762 | i already spent 5000 at wal-mart today |
| 07:37.46 | rosco762 | well yeaterday i guess |
| 07:38.08 | Dagmar | Well that was definitely irresponsible |
| 07:40.22 | Bluspacecow | yeah |
| 07:40.27 | Bluspacecow | should of gone to Target |
| 07:41.04 | Mirrormn | so I was thinking today "I should write an addon that simply highlights whatever quest reward sells for the most money" |
| 07:41.14 | Mirrormn | and then I thought "surely someone has made that already" |
| 07:41.19 | Arrowmaster | vendorbait |
| 07:41.34 | Mirrormn | and then I thought "I will ask on irc in a strange rhetorical manner" |
| 07:41.43 | Mirrormn | and then Arrowmaster fell right into my plan |
| 07:42.13 | Dagmar | On the bright side you now own five thousand dollars' worth of "stuff they sell at Wal-Mart". |
| 07:42.19 | Dagmar | Nevermind. |
| 07:42.21 | Dagmar | No bright side. |
| 07:43.48 | Cairenn | well, put it this way - I've spent over 700 in the last month trying to save one of my kitties and I don't think we're going to be able to anyway |
| 07:43.50 | Cairenn | :( |
| 07:44.16 | Dagmar | Bummer. |
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| 07:44.41 | Cairenn | so $150 is pretty good |
| 07:46.48 | Adys | Cairenn: $2400 over two years here for my former cat |
| 07:47.03 | Cairenn | Adys: I believe it |
| 07:47.16 | Cairenn | it's going to be like that for me, if we even do manage to save her |
| 07:47.22 | Adys | but tbh it's really not the money |
| 07:47.27 | Cairenn | nope |
| 07:47.31 | Adys | it's the psychological effort of returning there |
| 07:47.40 | Cairenn | it's whether you're successful in saving |
| 07:47.40 | Adys | cancer's a bitch |
| 07:47.52 | Cairenn | kidney disease, for my girl |
| 07:47.57 | Adys | yech |
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| 07:51.54 | Adys | oO it's snowing here |
| 07:52.04 | Adys | hasn't seen snow in 6 years |
| 07:52.16 | Mirrormn | Vendorbait doesn't appear to do anything |
| 07:56.27 | ccox | man, a lot of tanks haven't gotten the message that dungeons have changed in 4.0.3 |
| 07:56.39 | ccox | they still think they can pull the whole room, and ignore their healer |
| 07:56.53 | Mirrormn | can't they? |
| 07:57.26 | Mirrormn | honestly these days in heroics I kill things so fast that I barely even notice what the tank is doing |
| 07:57.38 | ccox | maybe in heroics with raid gear |
| 07:57.44 | ccox | level 15-79, not so much |
| 07:58.53 | Mirrormn | fair enough |
| 08:00.53 | ccox | and, of course, they blame the healer every time |
| 08:04.13 | Amarande | ccox: yeah, I hate that |
| 08:05.01 | Amarande | in UK I got a shaman who kept standing in front of the drakes and getting breathed on, a DK who kept standing in front of the drakes and getting breathed on, and a warlock who used hellfire and kept pulling aggro with it due to being in 110% threatcap range |
| 08:05.25 | Amarande | Of them, only the shaman listened to me when I tried to tell him what he shouldn't do. He'll make a good raider eventually, I'm thinking. |
| 08:05.46 | Amarande | The warlock whined about heals all the time, and blamed me when he died. |
| 08:06.03 | Amarande | The DK ... well the DK apparently had enough HP that the group heals I cast were enough |
| 08:06.27 | ccox | that's where the the kick feature comes in "reason: retard doesn't understand threat" |
| 08:07.24 | ccox | "reason: stood in the fire, twice" |
| 08:12.12 | Adys | Cairenn! |
| 08:12.21 | Cairenn | Adys! |
| 08:12.25 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/11/27/snow2.jpg :3 |
| 08:12.40 | Cairenn | bah |
| 08:12.45 | Adys | (yeah gimme a break, greece sucks) |
| 08:13.12 | Adys | i don't think ive ever seen snow before february in my life |
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| 08:36.47 | Adys | !api taxi |
| 08:36.48 | lua_bot | Found 20 possible matches for 'taxi'. Please be more specific |
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| 08:54.44 | Mirrormn | I have found an addon named VendorReward which simply picks the highest vendor price item for me |
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| 09:23.31 | batrick | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr IsFlyableArea is fucking worthless now |
| 09:23.57 | batrick | why has blizzard not made a better solution yet |
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| 09:27.25 | batrick | so is there any way to determine if a player can fly without testing zone names |
| 09:27.37 | batrick | and checking if they have the necessary riding skill |
| 09:27.42 | batrick | because this is fucking rediculous |
| 09:31.30 | Fisker | you're just not trying hard enough |
| 09:36.08 | Fisker | i on the other hand have a valid reason to complain |
| 09:36.22 | Fisker | Blizzard decided to move ink trading up to the cata inks |
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| 09:36.25 | Fisker | good idea! |
| 09:38.11 | crazedfred | pardon my ignorance, but is this a channel for developing WoW addons? |
| 09:38.23 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:38.41 | crazedfred | Awesome. New-ish to addons/LUA coding and looking to get started this Christmas season. |
| 09:40.54 | crazedfred | Are there some common resources you point newbies to when people are starting out? Or should I just trawl Google? :) |
| 09:41.53 | batrick | there's a good (so I hear) programming book that jnwhiteh wrote, don't remember the name though. |
| 09:42.09 | nevcairiel | ~wowprogramming |
| 09:42.09 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 09:42.13 | batrick | also, it's Lua not LUA (it's not an acronym) |
| 09:42.21 | crazedfred | Ah, didn't know that |
| 09:42.36 | batrick | most don't |
| 09:42.51 | batrick | ~pil |
| 09:42.51 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 09:42.53 | crazedfred | I wrote/modified a very small addon called CoolRepair a while ago, and now I'm aiming for something much more ambitious :) |
| 09:42.54 | batrick | is a good reference too |
| 09:43.03 | crazedfred | Yea I thought I might start there |
| 09:43.23 | crazedfred | I have good experience with Java/C++/C#/Perl/etc, and the syntax seemed simple enough |
| 09:44.32 | crazedfred | How much has the addon API changed for Cataclysm? I recall that previous expansions have made rather earth-shattering changes before. |
| 09:44.51 | batrick | this one was relatively mild I think |
| 09:45.59 | nevcairiel | some parts, like unit frames, required some reworking, but all in all its no major breakage |
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| 09:49.32 | crazedfred | Fair enough |
| 09:52.40 | crazedfred | What's your thoughts on addon frameworks? I'm looking at lots of references to Ace libraries, which I remember. |
| 09:53.24 | nevcairiel | If you're new to the game, you should do it manually at least once |
| 09:54.20 | nevcairiel | After that you probably figured out which parts were really alot of boilerplate code without actual use, and you might find good use for a library to replace that |
| 09:54.31 | crazedfred | Gotcha |
| 09:54.49 | crazedfred | For example, my addon would make HEAVY use of synchronizing data. |
| 09:55.18 | crazedfred | That is, updates from several players would need to be broadcast, and all users need to keep a consistent state of this data. |
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| 10:20.44 | crazedfred | I ended up purchasing that WoW book you mentioned - curse.com gave me a $20 Amazon card for being an addon author, so it only cost me $11 :) |
| 10:21.31 | nevcairiel | So you already have an addon, or do they give those out for free now? |
| 10:21.47 | crazedfred | I've had a small addon for quite some time (years). |
| 10:21.54 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 10:22.03 | crazedfred | I didn't keep it updated, but it didn't need updating, and works just fine :) |
| 10:22.26 | nevcairiel | apparently enough people used it to get you the $20 |
| 10:22.33 | crazedfred | Indeed! |
| 10:22.36 | crazedfred | Which is cool. |
| 10:22.46 | crazedfred | May as well put that reward back into addons :) |
| 10:23.00 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt know how to do that |
| 10:23.20 | crazedfred | Well you don't need the book :P |
| 10:23.41 | nevcairiel | I could order one copy a day and still have rewards left |
| 10:23.52 | crazedfred | very nice |
| 10:24.13 | crazedfred | Next time you need a hardware upgrade, there you go |
| 10:24.21 | nevcairiel | Although thats no fair example, i get the most points in the system |
| 10:24.37 | nevcairiel | yeah thats where it usually goes |
| 10:24.47 | crazedfred | Do people really use the curse addon client? |
| 10:25.02 | crazedfred | I never got the purpose of that thing, unless someone has a TON of addons |
| 10:25.05 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.teefury.com/ |
| 10:25.06 | nevcairiel | sure, they even pay for premium, which is where our rewards come from |
| 10:25.16 | crazedfred | Ah, I was wondering |
| 10:25.27 | crazedfred | It's been quite awhile since I was involved in the Curse site :) |
| 10:25.54 | nevcairiel | some percentage of the premium goes back to the authors |
| 10:26.00 | nevcairiel | i think it was 10 or 20, dont remember |
| 10:26.06 | crazedfred | That's a very cool system |
| 10:29.59 | mitchnull | nev: do you play feral or only resto? |
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| 10:47.31 | Bluspacecow | \o |
| 10:47.35 | Bluspacecow | happy birthday cog |
| 10:48.19 | Blu|Work | http://thenoobcomic.com/headquarters/comics/00392.jpg <---- changing the meaning of beta |
| 10:49.42 | crazedfred | So, Google, but for videogames? :P |
| 10:50.23 | Blu|Work | lolz |
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| 10:56.42 | crazedfred | What is the common practice for avoiding the rate limit for addon messages? |
| 10:56.56 | crazedfred | EG, if I have to send a lot of data to an addon channel, how to I make sure nothing gets dropped? |
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| 11:05.20 | nevcairiel | chatthrottlelib |
| 11:05.44 | crazedfred | Ah, very cool. Thanks |
| 11:07.54 | Fisker | i once killed a Blu|Work |
| 11:11.29 | Mirrormn | can you do it again? |
| 11:12.11 | Blu|Work | *vanishes* |
| 11:12.33 | crazedfred | noooooooo |
| 11:13.27 | Blu|Work | >_> |
| 11:13.28 | Blu|Work | <_< |
| 11:14.57 | mitchnull | erm, what function does the API call when I use a binding set with SetBindingSpell() ? I hooked CastSpellByName, CastSpell and CastSpellByID and none of them seem to get called |
| 11:15.23 | nevcairiel | Its done in C |
| 11:15.32 | foxlit | It's not inconceivable that it doesn't call your hook. |
| 11:16.17 | mitchnull | darn |
| 11:16.52 | mitchnull | would combat log parsing be a lot less efficient than hooking CastSpell* to detect stuff cast by me/my pet? |
| 11:16.56 | foxlit | Why do you care, though? It's not like you can modify CSBN behavior, and you already get events for spellcasting. |
| 11:17.08 | nevcairiel | use unit_spellcast_* |
| 11:17.21 | mitchnull | does it fire if the spell is on cooldown? |
| 11:17.25 | mitchnull | (and I try to use it) |
| 11:17.26 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:17.44 | nevcairiel | well, unit_spellcast_sent might, but only for player, not for pet |
| 11:17.45 | mitchnull | I need to detect "unsuccessful" casts (due to cooldown) |
| 11:18.00 | mitchnull | ah, that also means my combat log parsing idea is b0rked, too |
| 11:18.19 | mitchnull | oh well, my addon just won't work for stuff directly bound by SpellBinder or similar addons |
| 11:18.29 | nevcairiel | you get a unit_spellcast_failed when you try to cast on cooldown |
| 11:18.33 | mitchnull | that unfortunately might include clique though |
| 11:18.45 | mitchnull | nev: oh. will try |
| 11:18.46 | nevcairiel | hookins is always the wrong way |
| 11:19.19 | crazedfred | I hate hooks in general, but I guess that's how most of this stuff works :/ |
| 11:19.47 | nevcairiel | You really only need to hook if you want to modify parts of the default UI without replacing it completly |
| 11:19.57 | crazedfred | Ah |
| 11:20.07 | nevcairiel | and some special cases |
| 11:20.08 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 11:20.15 | crazedfred | :) |
| 11:20.18 | mitchnull | nev: I securehook, not hook |
| 11:20.25 | nevcairiel | thats even worse |
| 11:20.29 | nevcairiel | very inefficient, too! |
| 11:20.53 | mitchnull | so I should rewrite to use UNIT_SPELLCAST_* ? |
| 11:21.00 | nevcairiel | preferably, yes |
| 11:21.32 | nevcairiel | just setup /dtevents to only track the unit_spellcast events, and see which fire when |
| 11:21.38 | mitchnull | alright, will check how that works out. there was a reason though back then when I wrote it to use hooks. don't remember what though |
| 11:22.20 | mitchnull | nev: offtopic: do you macro tiger's fury in front of some of your attacks, or trigger that manually? |
| 11:22.31 | nevcairiel | i dont play feral much |
| 11:22.41 | nevcairiel | i'm resto/balance |
| 11:23.04 | crazedfred | \M/ |
| 11:23.32 | Blu|Work | hmm |
| 11:23.33 | mitchnull | meh, balance is boring |
| 11:23.48 | mitchnull | I only play feral for questing now, resto is nice |
| 11:23.57 | crazedfred | True, but here's why you don't play feral at endgame: http://www.downfallguild.org/node/8602 |
| 11:24.12 | foxlit | meh, it's sane. |
| 11:24.21 | foxlit | especially with the new +rip/rake duration talents |
| 11:24.40 | Blu|Work | on my 80 feral i do |
| 11:24.51 | nevcairiel | feral at least has the potential to be really good when you manage to play it properly |
| 11:24.55 | Blu|Work | i mean macro TF |
| 11:25.04 | nevcairiel | not like paladins or something, where even a bad one deals loads of dps :p |
| 11:25.05 | Blu|Work | well thats me out |
| 11:25.09 | Blu|Work | cause i suck at wow |
| 11:25.33 | crazedfred | yea true |
| 11:25.36 | Blu|Work | i dont play fearl. i just press random buttons till i get 5 combo points then another set of random buttons |
| 11:25.42 | Blu|Work | :\ |
| 11:25.49 | crazedfred | I love druids because with at least feral & resto you can tell who the "good"druids are :) |
| 11:26.12 | crazedfred | loltree raid healing was the most fun I've had in awhile |
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| 11:27.12 | Blu|Work | tree healing is whack a mole lolz |
| 11:27.18 | Blu|Work | <--- vuhdoo user |
| 11:27.21 | Blu|Work | can't heal either .... |
| 11:27.28 | crazedfred | Ah, I found it fun :) |
| 11:27.43 | crazedfred | Tracking the status of 4 HoTs across 25 people |
| 11:27.57 | crazedfred | Little grid magic made it easier, but still at least required SOME thought |
| 11:28.00 | Fisker | naw Blu|Work |
| 11:28.01 | crazedfred | glares at paladins |
| 11:28.07 | Fisker | /cast rejuvenation |
| 11:28.09 | Fisker | /dance |
| 11:28.11 | crazedfred | rofl |
| 11:28.21 | mitchnull | blue: that's my tactic, too ;) |
| 11:28.21 | crazedfred | for heroics, yeah :P |
| 11:28.44 | crazedfred | some heroics I would just /follow the tank and spam the AoE HoT |
| 11:29.03 | crazedfred | "hey everyone, if you want heals, stay close to the tank. I'ma watch Hulu and spam 1 key" |
| 11:29.19 | crazedfred | worked if you had enough spellpower! |
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| 11:31.50 | jnwhiteh | if i need to worry about HoTs, I use perfectraid |
| 11:32.05 | jnwhiteh | i still think it can't be beat for debuff/buff tracking |
| 11:32.23 | crazedfred | I liked Grid for everything, I made it use the four corners to show status greed/yellow/red |
| 11:32.38 | crazedfred | Easier to snap-judge than a ton of numbers, and scaled well to healing AV |
| 11:32.45 | crazedfred | *green |
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| 11:36.56 | Blu|Work | ~lastseen Sixen |
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| 11:42.12 | Cairenn | Blu|Work: it's just ~seen, not ~lastseen |
| 11:42.28 | crazedfred | ~seen crazedfred |
| 11:42.34 | purl | crazedfred is currently on #wowuidev (2h 6m 9s) #curseforge (2h 6m 9s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 6s, last said: '~seen crazedfred'. |
| 11:42.34 | crazedfred | now I'm curious |
| 11:42.42 | crazedfred | cool |
| 11:42.58 | Blu|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.03 | crazedfred | lol :P |
| 11:43.09 | crazedfred | ~seen Sixen |
| 11:43.09 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster (1d 7h 51m 25s) #wowhead (1d 7h 51m 25s) #wowuidev (1d 7h 51m 25s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 3h 55m 1s, last said: ':('. |
| 11:43.11 | crazedfred | happy? |
| 11:43.26 | Blu|Work | ~seen Sixen |
| 11:43.26 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster (1d 7h 51m 42s) #wowhead (1d 7h 51m 42s) #wowuidev (1d 7h 51m 42s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 3h 55m 18s, last said: ':('. |
| 11:43.32 | Blu|Work | ah |
| 11:43.35 | crazedfred | now it's my turn to *facepalm* |
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| 11:43.45 | Blu|Work | i fail |
| 11:44.26 | crazedfred | :) |
| 11:44.45 | Blu|Work | cause i took it to query then asked it again here |
| 11:45.20 | Blu|Work | does purl have a spell check module ? |
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| 11:45.26 | Blu|Work | i mean to private message him about |
| 11:45.29 | Blu|Work | oh nvm |
| 11:45.31 | Blu|Work | firefox |
| 11:45.34 | Blu|Work | <---- fail |
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| 12:09.10 | crazedfred | going to bed folks, cya |
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| 12:15.55 | foxlit | ffs, Wintergrasp |
| 12:16.07 | foxlit | [flyable] seems to be false outside of a battle :/ |
| 12:16.33 | Blu|Work | its metal hour on tv now |
| 12:16.41 | Blu|Work | time to go whack the tv for a good signal |
| 12:17.32 | Blu|Work | @foxlit flying away would be cheating |
| 12:17.43 | Blu|Work | although it does prevent the flyinng bear attack :( |
| 12:17.54 | foxlit | Blu|Work: flight is not disabled. |
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| 12:22.27 | Fisker | pugs are awesome |
| 12:22.36 | Fisker | i just got to level 30 and got my dual spec |
| 12:22.46 | Fisker | so i was in boomking when i got a dungeon invite |
| 12:23.00 | Fisker | then i activated my healer spec and the others started pulling |
| 12:23.03 | Fisker | QQ |
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| 12:28.14 | mitchnull | how. how do I find out if a UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED was caused by spell or item use? |
| 12:28.53 | mitchnull | or: are itemids and spellids unique (that is, there's no id that's both an item id and a spellid) |
| 12:30.47 | Mirrormn | http://www.wowhead.com/item=30000 http://www.wowhead.com/spell=30000 nope |
| 12:31.44 | Mirrormn | itemids and spellids are each simply a running count of items and spells, respectively, as they are added to the game, with a couple exceptions |
| 12:31.45 | mitchnull | damn |
| 12:32.01 | Mirrormn | (mostly from spells that have been removed) |
| 12:32.13 | Mirrormn | as far as I know, removed IDs are never reused |
| 12:32.22 | Mirrormn | so there are holes |
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| 13:39.01 | Blu|Work | now before i make myself look like a noob but Primordial Saronite how did you used to get those ? raidy type badges or 5 man type badges ? |
| 13:40.18 | Mitigation | Used to be frost, but now is KP |
| 13:40.21 | Mitigation | JP |
| 13:40.44 | Mitigation | Also drops from ICC |
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| 13:58.40 | Fisker | i will fuck you up Blu|Work |
| 13:59.03 | Fisker | for free |
| 13:59.57 | Blu|Work | fisker will kill a man. |
| 13:59.59 | Blu|Work | once. |
| 14:00.00 | Zasurus | How can two frames have the same strata same level and same parent (WorldMapButton - these are on the mainmap) and yet one frames "OnEnter" script it kicked off and the other isn't kicked off until I hide the frame WorldMapBlobFrame... |
| 14:00.00 | Blu|Work | only once |
| 14:00.33 | Zasurus | s/it/is |
| 14:00.44 | Zasurus | lol not that then! |
| 14:01.45 | Zasurus | Is there another factor I am missing :( |
| 14:03.36 | Zasurus | Arr crap! It IS being kicked off jus the popup is being supressed or hidden some how! :D |
| 14:04.40 | Blu|Work | woopeee |
| 14:04.44 | Blu|Work | now has a pancake |
| 14:04.56 | Blu|Work | *hands stack of pancakes to Zasurus* |
| 14:05.15 | Zasurus | umm.... pancakes... My favorite |
| 14:05.33 | foxlit | hm, I wonder how I can force LaTeX to render something that it doesn't think is an operator with operator spacing in math mode |
| 14:05.57 | Zasurus | covers stack of pancakes in sugarie goodness |
| 14:06.43 | Zasurus | felt foxlit may have been wonder(ing) above Zasurus' head ;-) |
| 14:08.42 | foxlit | mathop/mathbin |
| 14:09.06 | Zasurus | surup/pancakes |
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| 14:31.15 | Blu|Work | anyone wanna pull open the wow.mfil file in their wow folde and tell me the URL/domain name that's in there |
| 14:32.45 | nevcairiel | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/EU/12911.streaming/ |
| 14:33.24 | Blu|Work | ty nevy |
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| 14:45.02 | industrial | Anyone here able to open more then one panel? |
| 14:45.09 | industrial | eg character and guild? character and inspect? |
| 14:45.32 | industrial | if its an addon then I neeeeeeeed to know this because i"m VERY VERY VERY annoyed by it |
| 14:45.43 | A-KO | industrial: simple solution: disable all addons, try it |
| 14:46.01 | industrial | ... or you tell me if you can open 2 panels aswell, if not then its not an addon |
| 14:46.08 | A-KO | I haven't bothered to try it |
| 14:46.12 | A-KO | and it's not my problem to test :P |
| 14:46.19 | A-KO | but I suspect it works fine here |
| 14:46.27 | industrial | gee, thanks for the help >:| |
| 14:47.35 | nevcairiel | I can open multiple panels |
| 14:48.41 | industrial | k |
| 14:49.05 | Blu|Work | some panels seems to be mutually exclusive |
| 14:49.18 | Blu|Work | like some will allow you to open an additional one some won't |
| 14:49.57 | industrial | well in 3.x I could open 3 panels |
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| 15:00.51 | Blu|Work | odd |
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| 15:13.35 | Fisker | my druid is now level 36 Blu|Work |
| 15:14.06 | Fisker | and i have participated in the usage of weapons of mass destruction |
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| 15:14.21 | industrial | Fisker: my pally is now 60 |
| 15:14.23 | Blu|Work | win. |
| 15:14.51 | Fisker | did you use any weapons of mass destruction industrial ? |
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| 15:15.19 | xqo | hey, is it possible to stop a macro from continuing? |
| 15:15.20 | Blu|Work | flatuenlence doesnt count |
| 15:16.11 | Maldivia | xqo: you mean /stopmacro ? |
| 15:16.18 | Fisker | considering the crater i left in Stonetalon Mountains you better hope it's not flatulence |
| 15:17.17 | xqo | Maldivia, can you do /run stopmacro() or something? |
| 15:17.26 | nevcairiel | its just /stopmacro |
| 15:17.29 | Maldivia | no, you can do /stopmacro |
| 15:17.41 | Maldivia | with the condition you can use on most other macro commands |
| 15:17.46 | Maldivia | for instance /stopmacro [mounted] |
| 15:18.15 | Blu|Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQga_4twhGY |
| 15:18.17 | Blu|Work | lolz |
| 15:18.41 | xqo | what im trying to do is to stop a macro from continuing if a spell is on cooldown |
| 15:19.10 | nevcairiel | that you cannot do |
| 15:20.17 | xqo | alright, thanks. |
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| 15:27.59 | Fisker | Blu|Work |
| 15:32.37 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 15:34.52 | Blu|Work | BluBlu is sleeping |
| 15:34.58 | Blu|Work | why you wake Blu ? |
| 15:35.49 | foxlit | sleeping at work, blu? |
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| 15:50.15 | Goodbud | Sup |
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| 16:01.37 | Blu|Work | @foxlit its quiet ! |
| 16:01.39 | Blu|Work | erm |
| 16:01.57 | Blu|Work | does icmp traceroute type packets go through a particular port ...if so what # is it ? |
| 16:03.43 | jnwhiteh | Dynamic engravings, i.e. Wowhead weights on items: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/296646/ |
| 16:03.50 | A-KO | Blu|Work: traceroute uses ICMP, it does't use a port |
| 16:03.55 | A-KO | linux traceroute uses UDP, however :P |
| 16:03.55 | jnwhiteh | doesn't handle gem slots right now, but still. |
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| 16:08.55 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:09.04 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
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| 16:10.24 | Fisker | i'm on a horse |
| 16:10.44 | Dewin | Is someone around who did raiding while Cata beta was up? I have a general question about it |
| 16:10.55 | Dewin | 25-man raiding particularly |
| 16:11.56 | Blu|Work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.34 | Dewin | and since I'm breaking my own often-quoted rule of don't ask to ask, just ask... I'm trying to figure out the typical number of tanks needed in Cata 25-mans. Assuming 3 is still the magic number. |
| 16:16.53 | mikma | blu|work: @lol |
| 16:17.19 | Blu|Work | can i take a lick of its mane ? |
| 16:18.15 | Fisker | it isn't Blu|Work |
| 16:18.34 | Blu|Work | :( |
| 16:18.48 | Blu|Work | want me to sprinkle magic pixie make it awesome dust on it ? |
| 16:19.16 | Blu|Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMKmQmkJ9gg |
| 16:19.27 | Blu|Work | there we go. hot chicks. violins,.hard rock |
| 16:21.54 | mikma | vanessa may? |
| 16:24.49 | Blu|Work | nope |
| 16:24.52 | Blu|Work | some random chicks |
| 16:24.59 | Blu|Work | well it could be |
| 16:25.02 | Blu|Work | i don't know |
| 16:26.41 | Fisker | i could kill you |
| 16:26.50 | Blu|Work | any US peeps wanna jump on Azuremyst (US) and do a quick netstat for the IP address ? |
| 16:28.14 | nevcairiel | Blu|Work: thats really good |
| 16:28.26 | nevcairiel | the vid, i mean :p |
| 16:29.52 | nevcairiel | i also didnt know they made electric violins :p |
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| 16:34.13 | zenzelezz | so there are two auction houses in Stormwind now? Interesting |
| 16:35.47 | Hirsute | Just one that I'm aware of. |
| 16:35.58 | zenzelezz | there's one in the dwarven quarter now |
| 16:36.17 | nevcairiel | dwarven quarter has everything, bank and ah |
| 16:36.20 | Hirsute | Aaah |
| 16:36.23 | Hirsute | Interesting |
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| 16:38.42 | Fisker | in orgrimmar there's an auctioneer per faction there :o |
| 16:38.47 | Fisker | atleast goblins and taurens |
| 16:38.50 | Fisker | not completely sure about trolls |
| 16:40.22 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/27/funny-pictures-a-little-hoarse/ |
| 16:40.33 | Cairenn | ha ha |
| 16:44.03 | zenzelezz | is it just me, or does Jimmy Wales (on the Wikipedia banners) look like Tom Hanks' character in Saving Private Ryan? |
| 16:47.07 | Fisker | actually jimmy wales is tom hanks |
| 16:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke prod |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Want to 1v1 in SC2? |
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| 16:57.21 | Shirik | Now is probably a bad time |
| 16:57.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 16:57.43 | Shirik | supposed to be getting ready to go out |
| 16:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 16:57.50 | Shirik | but I'm procrastinating |
| 16:57.58 | Shirik | I also suck at 1v1 |
| 16:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 17:01.40 | Shirik | I'm pretty decent against protoss |
| 17:01.43 | Shirik | it's zerg I have trouble with |
| 17:02.47 | Shirik | however I'm starting to learn how to micro banelings |
| 17:03.51 | Aqua | zerg you gotta teir |
| 17:04.27 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:04.29 | Aqua | you can't just go 1 big unit, you have to go in tiers, and you have to use your counters and expand early.... if your playing against banelings you gotta get them with maurders and tanks |
| 17:05.19 | Aqua | plays SC2 more than WoW now |
| 17:14.50 | zenzelezz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101126/od_afp/spainsunoffbeat ... |
| 17:16.02 | jnwhiteh | haste: awhat do I need to do to make praid swap units on vehicles? |
| 17:18.25 | haste | jnwhiteh: frame:SetAttribute('toggleForVehicle', true) -- and update on vehicle swaps |
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| 17:19.43 | Shirik | Aqua: I think it's just that EMP is OP against protoss |
| 17:20.06 | Shirik | I'm now always getting ghosts against protoss, and even if they go DTs and I run out of scans I'm like "oh btw I can EMP you to decloak you lol |
| 17:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: we should 1v1, I play protoss |
| 17:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 17:21.41 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:21.47 | Shirik | can it wait until tonight? |
| 17:21.54 | Shirik | and you've always been way better than me :( |
| 17:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been watching my games recently |
| 17:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I botch a lot of the subtle stuff |
| 17:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | I've gotten a lot better than last time you saw me play though |
| 17:22.41 | Shirik | mostly that's thanks to your advice though |
| 17:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:23.12 | Shirik | seriously |
| 17:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I played two games against my friend last night |
| 17:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Both games were 9 minutes |
| 17:23.24 | Shirik | o.o |
| 17:23.32 | Shirik | I rarely lose a game in 9 minutes |
| 17:23.43 | Shirik | I've won them, but I'm usually sufficiently prepared to make it go longer than that |
| 17:26.08 | Shirik | What really pisses me off, ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:26.38 | Shirik | one of my 2v2 partners I was so pissed off at last week because I kept telling him things he's doing wrong and he refused to improve, i.e., "no it's not possible to do that" etc. |
| 17:26.42 | Shirik | like not constantly building probes |
| 17:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | I tell him to research a better build order and he's like "no it's not possible to be a better build order" |
| 17:27.11 | Shirik | A few days ago he tells me "oh I found out how they're doing it" |
| 17:27.24 | Shirik | I'm like "no shit there are people smarter than you!" |
| 17:27.27 | Shirik | I gave up playing with him |
| 17:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ff |
| 17:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *gg |
| 17:27.36 | Shirik | we're #1 in gold and it's all him that's holding us back |
| 17:27.42 | Shirik | I'm not going to play with someone that refuses to improve |
| 17:27.48 | Shirik | he also refuses to learn key bindings |
| 17:27.50 | Shirik | he clicks everything |
| 17:27.56 | Shirik | As a result I get 75 APM and he gets 30 |
| 17:27.56 | Warlocomotif | o_o |
| 17:28.42 | Warlocomotif | you'd probably hate playing with me, im hella stubborn also |
| 17:28.47 | Warlocomotif | then again I wouldnt be a clicker |
| 17:29.10 | Warlocomotif | and id probably know how to play- but suck at actually doing it |
| 17:29.16 | Shirik | I'm ok with play with bad people, I just refuse to play with someone that refuses to improve |
| 17:29.39 | Shirik | to* |
| 17:29.52 | Warlocomotif | well, im stubborn but I do listen to logic :p |
| 17:30.56 | Warlocomotif | mind you I have no idea what game we're talking about, other than most likely an RT |
| 17:31.11 | Warlocomotif | and something with atleast 1 high tech culture |
| 17:31.16 | Warlocomotif | or faction |
| 17:34.01 | Shirik | Warlocomotif: Starcraft |
| 17:35.42 | Warlocomotif | 1? |
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| 17:36.15 | jnwhiteh | haste: on the header? |
| 17:36.32 | haste | jnwhiteh: on the frames spawned by the header |
| 17:36.46 | haste | jnwhiteh: it just controls what Secure..GetUnit returns |
| 17:36.50 | jnwhiteh | oh, okay |
| 17:37.07 | haste | also don't look at how oUF does it :P |
| 17:37.25 | haste | you can just change the unit and update with praid |
| 17:37.25 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 17:37.36 | haste | as you don't need to deal with unit swapping on multiple frames ^^ |
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| 17:45.51 | mikma | jnwhiteh: newer praid? |
| 17:45.56 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 17:46.04 | mikma | fffffffuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 17:54.27 | Napoleone | they reset honor at cata release right |
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| 18:04.38 | Arrowmaster | why am i not seeing a purchase button http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6788/ |
| 18:06.13 | dardack | no idea |
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| 18:06.39 | mikma | you already own it |
| 18:06.59 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: click on of the sub items, and click the add button there |
| 18:07.36 | Arrowmaster | that worked |
| 18:07.49 | Maldivia | had the same issue, wit the same pack :) |
| 18:08.11 | Arrowmaster | well its only been available for 8 minutes |
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| 18:08.18 | Maldivia | true |
| 18:08.38 | Arrowmaster | i was trying to find out how to purchase it when it had only been up for 40 seconds |
| 18:09.13 | Arrowmaster | and now the page is giving me issues |
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| 18:09.47 | Arrowmaster | Note: You already own the following items in "Indie Pulse Pack". You will not receive extra copies of these items when you complete this purchase: |
| 18:09.50 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.53 | Arrowmaster | boo |
| 18:09.57 | crazedfred | lol |
| 18:10.02 | crazedfred | AudioSurf is SO worth it |
| 18:10.06 | Maldivia | yeah, you can't gift it away, which is kind of annoying :/ |
| 18:10.10 | crazedfred | ah |
| 18:10.14 | Maldivia | had audiosurf as well :) |
| 18:10.25 | Arrowmaster | ive had audiosurf since it was available on steam |
| 18:10.31 | crazedfred | as a dual-boxer, I find the Double Vision mode really satisfying |
| 18:10.33 | crazedfred | yea same |
| 18:11.21 | Maldivia | also had audiosurf for quite a while, can't remember when I bought it though |
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| 18:13.16 | SqueeG | has blizzard said anything on the subject of revamping original race models? |
| 18:14.02 | crazedfred | I'm pretty sure they said no |
| 18:14.15 | SqueeG | eff bombs |
| 18:15.13 | DWSR | hey, is there a Sigrie client? |
| 18:15.15 | SqueeG | bleh it's on the "things we'd like to do" list |
| 18:15.15 | SqueeG | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155927707&postId=128773288894&sid=1#101 |
| 18:15.17 | DWSR | so I can contribute data? |
| 18:15.39 | ckknight | how's everyone doing today? |
| 18:16.08 | SqueeG | super sauce |
| 18:16.12 | zenzelezz | DWSR: I think I recall Adys asking people to test one some time ago at least |
| 18:16.13 | SqueeG | thanks for asking :P |
| 18:16.39 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Yeah, I just upped to W7 on my gaming rig, so I'm going through and trying to install a bunch of the data collection utilities from Curse, WH, etc. |
| 18:16.44 | DWSR | I figure, why not give back? |
| 18:16.53 | cralor | Besides the FontString templates and the font size parameter of the SetFont method, is there any other way to increase a font's size? |
| 18:16.57 | zenzelezz | DWSR: :) |
| 18:17.08 | ckknight | DWSR: I wouldn't bother installing the Curse Profiler. |
| 18:17.42 | ckknight | DWSR: as you can see: http://wowdb.com/ |
| 18:18.24 | DWSR | ckknight: Yeah, I'm using the Curse Profiler so I can update my guild on WoWstead. ;) |
| 18:18.34 | ckknight | different addon. |
| 18:19.01 | DWSR | Oh, *shrug* |
| 18:19.06 | DWSR | It comes up as Curse Profiler in WoW, I think. |
| 18:19.10 | ckknight | it doesn't. |
| 18:19.24 | DWSR | heh, dunno. I just did a fresh install, so I'm assuming the Client won't try to install the Profiler. |
| 18:19.25 | ckknight | unless I screwed something up royally |
| 18:19.31 | ckknight | it probably will. |
| 18:19.38 | ckknight | just make sure to disable it in-game |
| 18:19.38 | DWSR | heh, whatever. |
| 18:19.40 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 18:19.52 | ckknight | WowStead uploading is done through the WowStead Guild Bank Uploader and the Curse Raid Tracker |
| 18:20.13 | crazedfred | sounds like a lot of harvested statistics |
| 18:20.26 | DWSR | anyone know of a way to install WoW without downloading/installing the entire game client? |
| 18:20.33 | DWSR | i.e. I just want to recreate the registry settings of an install. |
| 18:20.40 | DWSR | I have a backup of my game folder. |
| 18:20.40 | zenzelezz | okay, jumping into "The Sundering" in Stranglethorn was apparently a bad idea |
| 18:20.45 | crazedfred | DWSR: copy/paste the WoW folder, then google the error you get |
| 18:20.55 | crazedfred | I did exactly that and got it to work 5 min later |
| 18:20.59 | DWSR | heh |
| 18:21.00 | DWSR | OK |
| 18:21.02 | cralor | AFAIK, WoW doesn't even need registry settings |
| 18:21.08 | crazedfred | it kinda does |
| 18:21.15 | crazedfred | it whines about something or another, sometimes |
| 18:21.16 | Maldivia | DWSR: download the installer (it's only 20mb or so), run it, stop it, copy all the files over :) |
| 18:21.17 | DWSR | It doesn't /really/. A bunch of my utilities do. |
| 18:21.29 | DWSR | Maldivia: Does it do the registry changes at the beginning or at the end? |
| 18:21.33 | crazedfred | Oh! it's updating that needs registry, or at least it used to |
| 18:21.42 | crazedfred | like, it can't find wow.exe and doesn't install the patch |
| 18:21.50 | Maldivia | DWSR: afaik, the new installer just installs the launcher, and uses the new laucher patching to download the game |
| 18:21.52 | ckknight | in unrelated news, when leveling a new Warrior, would Arms or Fury be faster? |
| 18:22.09 | cralor | I'm pretty sure you can play WoW off a USB stick, which has no registry settings :) |
| 18:22.13 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:22.19 | DWSR | You can, been there, done that. |
| 18:22.20 | crazedfred | yea you can |
| 18:22.28 | SqueeG | Probably Fury |
| 18:22.37 | crazedfred | registry will just trip you up here & there, and there's fixes all over teh internets |
| 18:22.38 | DWSR | ckknight: Fury, more self healing, iirc. |
| 18:22.55 | Maldivia | DWSR: on beta, I actually tried to run the game with just the launcher.exe, wow.exe and the dll files, and the realmlist.wtf -- and it worked :) |
| 18:22.55 | ckknight | okay |
| 18:23.05 | DWSR | heh |
| 18:23.12 | ckknight | I'm planning on making a Goblin Warrior on the 7th and playing it straight for two days. |
| 18:23.19 | DWSR | Anyone know if there's a way to get the launcher to trip the cata pre-download on a frozen account? |
| 18:23.19 | crazedfred | nice |
| 18:23.36 | crazedfred | Hey, can I roll a tauren paladin, or do I have to wait and buy Cata? |
| 18:23.36 | Maldivia | DWSR: set accountType="CT" in the config.wtf file |
| 18:23.39 | ckknight | DWSR: yeah, you can edit the wtf files |
| 18:23.43 | ckknight | yeah, what Maldivia said |
| 18:23.52 | Maldivia | without the = though :) |
| 18:23.53 | ckknight | crazedfred: roll one today. |
| 18:24.07 | crazedfred | ckknight: awesome! gonna start my 5-box team tonight. |
| 18:24.10 | crazedfred | will be awesome |
| 18:24.16 | ckknight | all beefadins? |
| 18:24.21 | crazedfred | probably :P |
| 18:24.29 | crazedfred | my current team comp has a mage in it tho |
| 18:24.50 | crazedfred | it may be 4 manly taurens and a sexually ambiguous blood elf |
| 18:25.13 | ckknight | crazedfred: okay |
| 18:25.20 | crazedfred | lol :) |
| 18:26.37 | SqueeG | beefcake! |
| 18:26.40 | SqueeG | beefcaaaaaaaake! |
| 18:26.49 | crazedfred | haha |
| 18:27.38 | crazedfred | Currently I'm thinking prot paladin, arcane mage, destro warlock, ele shaman, holy priest |
| 18:27.47 | crazedfred | so I'll have less than 4 tauren :/ |
| 18:27.55 | SqueeG | the more i see it... the more i'me sort of disappointed with the tauren pally mount |
| 18:28.01 | crazedfred | hah |
| 18:28.17 | crazedfred | I don't mind cosmetics so much... but that stamina racial is key |
| 18:29.12 | SqueeG | maybe early on :p |
| 18:29.34 | Blu|Reading | ~purl I love cheese |
| 18:29.34 | purl | You love cheese? |
| 18:29.42 | crazedfred | meh, I don't see the other racials being of help |
| 18:29.46 | Blu|Reading | ~purl I love you |
| 18:29.46 | purl | You love you? |
| 18:30.09 | SqueeG | most aren't any more :P |
| 18:30.18 | SqueeG | gg whiners |
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| 18:30.37 | crazedfred | and my tanky friend said that his guild (downed Lich King pretty early, srz biznz) gives him shit for not being tauren |
| 18:30.46 | crazedfred | so I'm like "meh, whatever" |
| 18:30.56 | SqueeG | lol |
| 18:31.03 | crazedfred | unless I wanted most undead for that anti-fear... haha |
| 18:31.10 | SqueeG | i M3 my undead warr |
| 18:31.16 | SqueeG | <3 even |
| 18:31.19 | crazedfred | lol |
| 18:31.50 | DWSR | WotF > the stamina racial. |
| 18:31.55 | DWSR | It's not stamina, it's base health. |
| 18:31.55 | crazedfred | yea |
| 18:31.55 | SqueeG | hell yea |
| 18:32.02 | crazedfred | dude, WotF > EVERYTHING |
| 18:32.06 | DWSR | 5% increased base health is going to be something like MAYBE 1k health |
| 18:32.07 | SqueeG | AND you can eat people! |
| 18:32.15 | crazedfred | I remember back in vanilla when everyone who was anyone was undead |
| 18:32.23 | SqueeG | i was sad that they didn't allow the paladin class for UD D: |
| 18:32.26 | DWSR | WotF was so imba in Vanilla. |
| 18:32.35 | DWSR | SqueeG: Death Knights are the new undead paladins, imo. |
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| 18:32.59 | crazedfred | there was an AV where a human priest ran into like 15 of us and AoE feared. INSTANTLY, you heard the sound of 5-6 WotF being popped. "UNNNGCH." Priest gets destroyed |
| 18:33.08 | crazedfred | then someone said "I love horde." :P |
| 18:33.17 | SqueeG | lol |
| 18:33.26 | DWSR | It's why I love Lichborne. |
| 18:33.31 | DWSR | WotF as a talent. |
| 18:33.37 | DWSR | Plus it doesn't share a CD with my trink. |
| 18:33.41 | SqueeG | wotf and cannibalism and water breathing were the reason why 4 of my original toons were UD :p |
| 18:33.42 | crazedfred | Lichborne = ? |
| 18:33.50 | crazedfred | lol, water breathing :P |
| 18:33.53 | DWSR | crazedfred: Frost DK talent, lemme link. |
| 18:34.10 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=49039 crazedfred |
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| 18:42.00 | Mr_Rabies | HALP THE SERVER ASPLODE |
| 18:42.05 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 18:42.22 | ccox | guess purl had too much turkey..... |
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| 18:42.28 | zenzelezz | the cataclysm hit IRC too |
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| 18:44.12 | crazedfred | I know right |
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| 18:44.26 | crazedfred | purl: we blame you |
| 18:44.44 | crazedfred | worth a shot :/ |
| 18:44.48 | LebQzz | almost emptied my GB so i can make room for Cataclysm shit ;P |
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| 18:45.06 | crazedfred | do you mean harddrive? :P |
| 18:45.13 | LebQzz | hehe Guild bank |
| 18:45.16 | crazedfred | aaah |
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| 18:45.33 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I'ma ctually having mana issues in ICC25 |
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| 18:45.39 | jnwhiteh | granted, I'm in IC110 and less gear |
| 18:45.42 | jnwhiteh | but I'ms urprised! |
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| 18:47.03 | jnwhiteh | good thing I went alchemy today so I have my trinket and some mana pots :P |
| 18:47.35 | LebQzz | lol join my server and i can give you like 200 pots for free lol since i got geared i dont need em anymore lol |
| 18:47.40 | crazedfred | Mana regen at early levels got buffed to hell, right? |
| 18:47.53 | LebQzz | that too |
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| 18:48.09 | Shirik | ICC110 |
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| 18:48.11 | Shirik | I want to do that |
| 18:48.18 | Shirik | Must be really fun to heal |
| 18:48.19 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 18:53.02 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: when you're really having use for the alchemy trinket, like you seem to imply, you're really somewhat undergeared for ICC :P |
| 18:53.22 | nevcairiel | but yeah, 4.0.3a made it somewhat harder, the rejuv mana cost increase makes you feel it |
| 18:54.27 | zenzelezz | is it just me, or do more birds appear to really fly now? |
| 18:55.09 | Dagmar | They do. |
| 18:55.21 | Dagmar | Problem is, they don't always fall to the ground when they die. |
| 18:55.47 | Dagmar | I shot some special vulture named Lord Condor on the east side of Loch Modan yesterday... I was too short to loot it. |
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| 18:56.30 | Blu|HomeTime | Dagmar |
| 18:56.35 | Blu|HomeTime | Fisker killed a man once |
| 18:56.38 | Blu|HomeTime | is truth |
| 18:56.54 | Blu|HomeTime | Gone ! |
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| 18:57.05 | cogwheel | i just dinged 20 by opening a chest... |
| 18:57.10 | LebQzz | lol |
| 18:57.21 | ccox | opening a chest gives XP? |
| 18:57.32 | LebQzz | anything gives xp almost |
| 18:57.46 | ccox | (must resist jokes about opening bras, etc.) |
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| 19:04.23 | foxlit | So, um. |
| 19:04.24 | Shirik | I miss these days http://www.darklegacycomics.com/139.html |
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| 19:04.32 | foxlit | Java. OS X. Javadoc? |
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| 19:04.47 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 19:04.49 | Shirik | foxlit you so funny |
| 19:04.56 | zenzelezz | is there supposed to be a flight master at Keeshan's Post in Redridge? The map seems to say so, but I can't see any NPCs there |
| 19:04.58 | Shirik | Let me help you out here |
| 19:05.02 | crazedfred | Here's a funneh joke: Java on Apple. |
| 19:05.04 | crazedfred | AAAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:05.15 | Shirik | (1) They do have a javadoc. It's copied from Sun's documentation. |
| 19:05.31 | Shirik | (2) Because of that, and the fact that they make a ton of changes, it's totally wrong |
| 19:05.32 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 19:05.38 | crazedfred | lol |
| 19:05.38 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: you need to do the quests in redridge to unlock the FPs |
| 19:05.45 | Shirik | I know this because it has been the greatest issue in creating Minion's security manager |
| 19:05.48 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: all of them or just Keeshan's? |
| 19:05.51 | Shirik | Apple has a ton of undocumented security events |
| 19:06.01 | crazedfred | Poor developers who buy an Apple, thinking its good for coding |
| 19:06.21 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: some of the requires the bravo team quest chain, since it phases the world, can't remember which, been a while sine I did thme |
| 19:06.25 | crazedfred | Our software at work we don't even bother, back when they held users on 1.4 for years |
| 19:06.31 | crazedfred | We told people to use Boot Camp |
| 19:06.34 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: I see, thanks for the info |
| 19:06.38 | foxlit | Ultimately, /care |
| 19:06.45 | crazedfred | \_/ |
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| 19:07.05 | foxlit | However, I can't seem to find their source jar, which is a bit annoying as it should be there. |
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| 19:08.31 | ckknight | Shirik: write once, debug everywhere |
| 19:08.35 | foxlit | whee, symlinks hell. |
| 19:08.41 | Shirik | that's not the issue ckknight |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | the issue is Apple has zero documentation so the only way I can actually write the security manager is by having people hit the wall and report it |
| 19:09.06 | crazedfred | Meh, java works, it's just that on Apple it's a clusterfuck |
| 19:09.46 | crazedfred | If I recall correctly you can extend a security manager and have it just return for all methods you need |
| 19:09.55 | crazedfred | but that breaks browser applet compatability and some fun things |
| 19:09.57 | ckknight | Shirik: yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to rattle your chains. |
| 19:10.11 | Shirik | That's a really bad idea crazedfred |
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| 19:10.17 | crazedfred | Yea I know |
| 19:10.27 | crazedfred | I don't know what software you're writing, it's just a kludge I remember |
| 19:10.27 | Shirik | that's like saying "Oh I don't know what you're trying to do. It must be safe." |
| 19:10.32 | crazedfred | lol :) |
| 19:10.37 | crazedfred | absolutely |
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| 19:10.50 | Shirik | Instead I choose the side of "Oh I don't know what you're trying to do. GTFO HAXOR" |
| 19:10.52 | crazedfred | the fact that it WORKS at all kinda bothers me |
| 19:11.03 | crazedfred | well, you're the one writing the software.... |
| 19:11.15 | foxlit | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4011002/java-eclipse-on-macosx-where-is-the-src-zip << ha. |
| 19:11.30 | Shirik | No, I'm writing the software that runs other software |
| 19:11.36 | crazedfred | oic |
| 19:11.45 | crazedfred | then the security manager actually MATTERS? :( |
| 19:11.47 | crazedfred | booo |
| 19:12.43 | Shirik | http://minion.mmoui.com/javadoc/ |
| 19:12.44 | Shirik | er |
| 19:12.52 | Shirik | http://minion.mmoui.com/javadoc/com/mmoui/manager/services/PermissionsManager.html |
| 19:13.16 | crazedfred | What does this product do? |
| 19:13.22 | LebQzz | lol my server has soo expecive glyphs and i'm making a 1kg a hour on sitting still lol |
| 19:13.41 | Shirik | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 19:13.49 | Maldivia | LebQzz: glyphs actually sell on your server? |
| 19:14.05 | LebQzz | ye last 10 mins just recieved 500g in mail from about 20 glyphs |
| 19:14.21 | crazedfred | Shirik: what does this accomplish that differentiates it from the Curse updater? |
| 19:14.22 | Maldivia | I thought you said expensive... |
| 19:14.26 | LebQzz | naa about 14 actually was only 2 pages ;P |
| 19:14.30 | Maldivia | glyphs are avg prices of 75g on my server :) |
| 19:14.45 | LebQzz | same here. but i press em lower to sell fast ;P |
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| 19:14.56 | crazedfred | Very cool website design BTW |
| 19:14.58 | Shirik | It allows updating/news/uploading from/to any site, assuming a module is written for it |
| 19:14.59 | LebQzz | and some glyphs are 9-25 |
| 19:15.05 | crazedfred | Ah cool |
| 19:15.08 | Shirik | blame idolby for the website design |
| 19:15.17 | crazedfred | No I like it! |
| 19:15.25 | Shirik | blame him |
| 19:15.29 | Maldivia | the "buhu, you can't buy ink anymore using ink of sea" change really screwed the prices :) |
| 19:15.31 | crazedfred | fair enough :) |
| 19:15.41 | crazedfred | I will wonder what site owners think about an addon that grabs their DLs though |
| 19:15.43 | foxlit | <evil>And are there modules written for it? :) |
| 19:15.56 | Shirik | There are three modules written, two released |
| 19:16.10 | Shirik | crazedfred: Well considering mmoui is wowinterface |
| 19:16.14 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure wowinterface doesn't care |
| 19:16.18 | crazedfred | Ah |
| 19:16.23 | Shirik | As for the others, there is a reason I haven't written a curse module |
| 19:16.25 | crazedfred | I was thinking more for other sites |
| 19:16.34 | crazedfred | EG, if you wrote modules for curse or wowace |
| 19:16.39 | crazedfred | gotcha |
| 19:16.51 | LebQzz | whoever came up with GS should be put down |
| 19:16.57 | crazedfred | lol |
| 19:17.07 | crazedfred | the GS author has a super annoying voice |
| 19:17.16 | crazedfred | it made it easy to hate him :P |
| 19:17.21 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 19:17.28 | crazedfred | I was going to ask |
| 19:17.36 | LebQzz | still we got people on out server.. whats your GS.. |
| 19:17.36 | crazedfred | is there a good, generic gear-comparison addon? |
| 19:17.54 | Shirik | ~gearscore |
| 19:17.59 | crazedfred | no |
| 19:18.00 | LebQzz | i'm like.. does blizzard show me my gs? no.. then i dont know. because its a shitty addon |
| 19:18.00 | Shirik | why has nobody written that yet |
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| 19:18.06 | crazedfred | oh |
| 19:18.10 | Shirik | purl, gearscore is #REDIRECT [[evil]] |
| 19:18.10 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 19:18.12 | foxlit | It's np. |
| 19:18.16 | crazedfred | haha |
| 19:18.34 | foxlit | LFM ICC10, minimum AIL 270 |
| 19:18.37 | crazedfred | I was looking something to compare individual items not whole gear sets |
| 19:18.49 | Shirik | 270? |
| 19:18.51 | Shirik | Are you kidding? |
| 19:19.00 | crazedfred | Hey, at least people aren't requiring minimum achievment scores |
| 19:19.02 | foxlit | You're right |
| 19:19.06 | foxlit | I should be asking for 278. |
| 19:19.08 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:19.17 | foxlit | That'd at least make the answer obvious. |
| 19:19.25 | crazedfred | Tho LFM <instance>, must have already completed <instance> is annoying |
| 19:19.31 | dardack_home | is it true the Cata dungeons require 270? |
| 19:19.38 | Shirik | no |
| 19:19.38 | crazedfred | AIL = ? |
| 19:19.41 | Shirik | they would never do that |
| 19:19.49 | foxlit | and yet they do. |
| 19:19.51 | Shirik | what |
| 19:19.54 | Shirik | really? |
| 19:19.58 | foxlit | dungeon finder has minimum gear requirements. |
| 19:20.02 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:20.08 | Shirik | wait wait |
| 19:20.11 | Shirik | dungeon finder != dungeon |
| 19:20.22 | crazedfred | correct |
| 19:20.24 | Shirik | I can understand dungeon finder, getting paired up with someone new |
| 19:20.27 | foxlit | You're welcome to find some suckers in trade and zone in with you, but if you want to use the matchmaker, there are gear requirements :) |
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| 19:20.34 | Shirik | no I think that's ok |
| 19:20.35 | crazedfred | that makes sense |
| 19:20.42 | Shirik | but actually restricting the dungeon itself |
| 19:20.52 | crazedfred | on my server people never used the raid browser tho |
| 19:20.56 | crazedfred | so what's the point :/ |
| 19:20.58 | Shirik | So many times I know we've taken people into our raid team that just hit 80 just to rapidly gear them |
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| 19:22.10 | LebQzz | yep |
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| 19:22.20 | foxlit | the 80 quest gear is 280+, iirc |
| 19:22.22 | LebQzz | go from 187gear to 264 |
| 19:22.36 | foxlit | or that :P |
| 19:22.37 | LebQzz | what about the lvl 80 crafted gear lol |
| 19:22.58 | LebQzz | 308 gear |
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| 19:23.46 | LebQzz | if you have a tabard.. doing naxx gives you tabard rep right |
| 19:23.56 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:23.58 | zenzelezz | hm, you can link items in General without addons now? |
| 19:24.01 | foxlit | naxx is a raid; tabards are dungeons |
| 19:24.05 | zenzelezz | /leave 1 |
| 19:24.09 | crazedfred | lol |
| 19:24.16 | nevcairiel | raids dont usually give reputation, except ICC, but thats not tabard dependant |
| 19:24.31 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: linking with addons was even worse |
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| 19:24.32 | crazedfred | The idea of not allowing items was smart, but a pain |
| 19:24.40 | crazedfred | what nev said |
| 19:24.43 | nevcairiel | if you didnt have those addons, you just saw some stupid formatted link |
| 19:25.11 | foxlit | But that's a win marketing trick. |
| 19:25.18 | crazedfred | Time to write an addon that hides any messages with "WTF" in General |
| 19:25.24 | crazedfred | err "WTS" |
| 19:25.27 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I know, I just didn't see a lot of people doing it with addons... now I expect I'll see more |
| 19:25.27 | foxlit | "If you're not using my addon, what do I care for your experience?" :P |
| 19:25.36 | crazedfred | I hope not |
| 19:25.49 | crazedfred | but hey, sometimes solo questing can be boring anyway |
| 19:25.54 | crazedfred | I'd prefer to chat with some randoms |
| 19:25.56 | nevcairiel | i've been told the format those addons used was some kind of standard |
| 19:25.56 | crazedfred | :P |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | but still |
| 19:26.00 | nevcairiel | was silly :p |
| 19:26.20 | crazedfred | I think some of those required you to have seen the item before in some huge cache |
| 19:26.27 | crazedfred | Because some would just type [Item Name] |
| 19:26.33 | crazedfred | and expect the addon to look up the ID |
| 19:26.36 | nevcairiel | you can always create a link |
| 19:27.08 | crazedfred | I always wondered why Blizz didn't make some API to lookup items by name in addition to ID |
| 19:27.34 | Dagmar | MUCH more CPU power involved in that |
| 19:27.45 | nevcairiel | They did, only works when you have that item on you, though =p |
| 19:28.02 | nevcairiel | names are meaningless |
| 19:28.06 | nevcairiel | they are localized values |
| 19:28.09 | nevcairiel | ids are for ever |
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| 19:31.25 | crazedfred | lol |
| 19:31.28 | crazedfred | but but... |
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| 19:40.33 | cog|away | thanksgiving part deux inc |
| 19:40.36 | Dagmar | When is it not |
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| 19:56.03 | crazedfred | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.23 | crazedfred | I've never liked the whole javascript-style "no variable types" gig |
| 19:56.49 | crazedfred | Probably just set in my ways from C++/Java tho |
| 19:57.53 | Adys | Alright |
| 19:58.25 | Adys | starting a petition to get a fishing achievement [The Marine Biologist] to go with the other two |
| 19:58.30 | Adys | and the appropriate title to go with it! |
| 19:58.33 | crazedfred | lol |
| 19:59.04 | cbreak | crazedfred: lua variables have a type |
| 19:59.12 | cbreak | or rather, they have a content type |
| 19:59.18 | Shirik | crazedfred, that sounds like a flawed understanding of Lua |
| 19:59.21 | Shirik | They definitely have a type |
| 19:59.25 | Shirik | and their type is quite important |
| 19:59.32 | cbreak | global or local :) |
| 19:59.37 | crazedfred | Well right, they just sleep around too much :P |
| 19:59.42 | cbreak | (content type depends on what you put in) |
| 20:00.35 | crazedfred | I meant that they transmute into different types, just thought that was strange |
| 20:02.01 | Ketho | i only know Lua, but what do u mean with "transmute"? |
| 20:02.17 | crazedfred | As in, if you throw a string in it, it's a string |
| 20:02.22 | crazedfred | until you store a number |
| 20:02.44 | crazedfred | I'm reading the Lua programming manual, just getting started |
| 20:02.50 | Shirik | Tat's because it's the value, not the variable, that's important |
| 20:02.58 | crazedfred | right |
| 20:03.02 | zenzelezz | it's only weird when it's unintended |
| 20:03.40 | crazedfred | is there a way to require that variables have a certain type (or rather the VALUE has a certain type) when you take function parameters? |
| 20:03.52 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:03.54 | foxlit | sure |
| 20:03.58 | foxlit | check and throw error if you want |
| 20:04.04 | crazedfred | aj |
| 20:04.05 | crazedfred | *ah |
| 20:04.09 | nevcairiel | well that you can do, of course |
| 20:04.33 | nevcairiel | but be nice about it, if its a string, and you require a number, tonumber it first and see if its a number now |
| 20:04.50 | Shirik | ^ very important in the Lua world |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | Auctioneer, for example, has a statistics engine where you pass it functions |
| 20:05.04 | foxlit | wait, that's an argument for php's duck typing |
| 20:05.09 | zenzelezz | or just ignore the type and crash completely when someone uses the wrong type, that'll teach 'em |
| 20:05.18 | crazedfred | lol |
| 20:05.19 | Shirik | But we also allow for anything with a __call metamethod because we like to use tables instead |
| 20:05.26 | crazedfred | Shame there's no syntax for it |
| 20:06.11 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 20:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | my deaf father hears things that I don't |
| 20:06.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (someone is broadcasting music over bluetooth, and he has a bluetooth adapter for his hearing aid) |
| 20:07.01 | crazedfred | doh |
| 20:07.26 | crazedfred | That's worse than the urban myth about picking up radio with your dental headgear |
| 20:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | because it is true! |
| 20:07.43 | crazedfred | lol :) |
| 20:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | someone is blasting music across the neighborhood |
| 20:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ONLY HE CAN HEAR IT |
| 20:08.03 | crazedfred | well bluetooth is designed to work only up to 30 feet |
| 20:08.10 | crazedfred | in practice it's more like 3 to 60 |
| 20:08.30 | crazedfred | and it should be possible to make the hearing aid not connect to the broadcaster |
| 20:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought class 1 was up to 100 meters? |
| 20:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (admittedly, in open space) |
| 20:08.58 | crazedfred | worst case, the offending device can't be far away |
| 20:09.06 | zenzelezz | Bluetooth in outer space! |
| 20:09.13 | crazedfred | Scythe: you could be right, I'm only familiar with the 30-feet versions |
| 20:09.42 | crazedfred | the next-gen bluetooth is going to use wifi as the underlying tech because old bluetooth sucks |
| 20:10.00 | LebQzz | what i dont get is why they dont revise the AH system with buy and sell orders |
| 20:10.12 | crazedfred | Kinda like Eve Online? |
| 20:10.24 | foxlit | On some level, a more advanced AH system removes player interaction |
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| 20:10.41 | crazedfred | I wonder what would happen to economies if AHs became linked |
| 20:10.49 | crazedfred | better or worse in the long run? |
| 20:11.14 | LebQzz | player interaction? |
| 20:11.19 | Ketho | what do u mean? faction auction houses are already linked |
| 20:11.26 | crazedfred | I meant linked across realms |
| 20:11.44 | crazedfred | that would in theory generalize prices |
| 20:12.05 | zenzelezz | "Let's see, page 1/293453" |
| 20:12.05 | Ketho | goldsellers paradise xD |
| 20:12.20 | crazedfred | well the current "page" system is retarded |
| 20:12.25 | crazedfred | Good god lol |
| 20:12.50 | foxlit | You could write a new UI, though |
| 20:12.54 | crazedfred | Yea |
| 20:13.02 | crazedfred | I like one of the lighter auction addons |
| 20:13.19 | zenzelezz | no doubt about that; but it'd still be a hell of a lot of items |
| 20:13.42 | crazedfred | yea, but the Eve Online system IMO works a lot better |
| 20:13.49 | crazedfred | and they have huge markets |
| 20:14.26 | Lulia | Hmm, so the only way to make a multi-line edit box extend is to put in fake lines? |
| 20:14.41 | foxlit | "extend"? |
| 20:14.56 | foxlit | Shouldn't actually need to |
| 20:15.10 | LebQzz | and theres not a hell of alot of items on eve onine? |
| 20:16.14 | crazedfred | There totally are, but the UI is very well designed |
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| 20:16.27 | crazedfred | Finding the item you want is hard, but seeing individual bigs are not |
| 20:16.32 | crazedfred | *bids |
| 20:18.05 | Shirik | (15:06:39) (ScytheBlade1) (someone is broadcasting music over bluetooth, and he has a bluetooth adapter for his hearing aid) |
| 20:18.06 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 20:18.22 | Industrial | hah |
| 20:18.34 | Industrial | if I run 'wsapi -c ./config/xavante.lua dispatcher.lua' from luablog/ it works but if I put that in the file luablog/script/server it will not work. The location of xavante.lua to server.lua will always be '../config/xavante.lua' and I'm wondering if/how I can get the script/server so that it will not matter where on disk I will put the entire luablog/ project dir. This is because the script/server file (and the entire luablog/ dir) are meant for r |
| 20:18.42 | Industrial | I don't understand linux path arguments :( |
| 20:18.55 | Industrial | project is at https://github.com/Industrial/luablog |
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| 20:20.05 | Lulia | foxlit: I set the height to a value, but the edit box isn't actually setting itself to that value |
| 20:20.17 | Lulia | The texture I'm seeing is a basic one-line edit box texture |
| 20:20.24 | LebQzz | are you in combat? |
| 20:20.42 | crazedfred | The best way to understand the linux filetree is vodka. Lots of vodka. |
| 20:21.10 | Lulia | Makes me wonder if there's a different texture for multi-line edit boxes, hmm |
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| 20:22.25 | Lulia | According to wowprogramming it can't be set: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetMultiLine |
| 20:22.46 | Lulia | So I guess I'll have to fill it in with blank lines O.o |
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| 20:24.55 | zenzelezz | Lulia: what are you trying to make; something like the macro window's textbox? |
| 20:25.30 | nevcairiel | Lulia: usually you would draw some texture that has a fixed height, and then fit a scrollframe in there to hold the edit box |
| 20:25.45 | nevcairiel | that way it doesnt matter how big the editbox itself is |
| 20:29.15 | Lulia | I did that Nevcairiel. I made a larger outlining fraome and put the scrollframe inside of that, then I took the editbox and made it a child of the scroll frame |
| 20:29.26 | Lulia | And yeah, zanzelezz, sort of like that. |
| 20:29.38 | Lulia | The editbox won't actually be updatable by the player when I'm finished though |
| 20:29.45 | Lulia | It's closer to how Blizzard's debug window works. |
| 20:29.54 | Lulia | It's only an editbox so that the user can copy stuff from it |
| 20:30.14 | Lulia | But I need it to hold a variable number of lines. |
| 20:30.15 | nevcairiel | then the size of the actual editbox doesnt matter, does it |
| 20:30.24 | nevcairiel | it will always size to its contents |
| 20:30.31 | Lulia | I'd like it, by default, to fill the size of the frame it's in |
| 20:30.38 | Lulia | And then beyond that it extends to fit more content |
| 20:30.48 | Lulia | Here, let me show you a screen shot |
| 20:30.51 | nevcairiel | thats silly. the actual editbox is invisible |
| 20:31.11 | nevcairiel | unless you pin some frame onto it |
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| 20:32.08 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/PowerBars-EditBox.jpg |
| 20:32.21 | nevcairiel | you're doing it wrong then :D |
| 20:32.26 | nevcairiel | an editbox is an invisble frame |
| 20:32.27 | Lulia | Clearly |
| 20:32.30 | nevcairiel | until you put some textures on it |
| 20:32.44 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:32.46 | Shirik | get it, clearly |
| 20:32.47 | Lulia | So I should make a texture that looks like an edit box and fill the frame with it? |
| 20:32.47 | nevcairiel | but you should put the textures on the container frame, and let the scrollframe just scroll the invisible textbox |
| 20:33.25 | Lulia | And how do I disable the editbox texture then, once I do that? |
| 20:34.48 | nevcairiel | CreateFrame("EditBox") has no visual elements, unless you add some yourself |
| 20:35.13 | Lulia | Hmm, my function for creating editboxes makes one, I'll have to have an option to omit it |
| 20:36.47 | Humbedooh | do you give your editbox a name or not? |
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| 20:37.17 | Humbedooh | if the frame doesn't have a global name, you're in for random stuff happening :> |
| 20:37.27 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 20:37.33 | Lulia | I give it a name |
| 20:37.38 | nevcairiel | names are only required if dealing with blizzards templates |
| 20:37.39 | Humbedooh | nev; textures coming and going |
| 20:37.48 | Humbedooh | if you set the name to nil |
| 20:38.02 | Humbedooh | sometimes, you'll have textures popping up at random places too |
| 20:38.20 | nevcairiel | that only happens when trying to blizzards templates with unnamed frames |
| 20:38.26 | nevcairiel | trying to use.. |
| 20:38.46 | Humbedooh | their awesome templates |
| 20:39.23 | nevcairiel | its easily explained, they use $parent in XML, which silently evaluates to the empty string when no name is set |
| 20:39.53 | Humbedooh | ye, figured that out pretty soon after I started using them |
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| 20:40.44 | rosco762 | Hey guys |
| 20:41.15 | rosco762 | what yall up yo? |
| 20:41.22 | rosco762 | to* |
| 20:41.33 | zenzelezz | well that's an interesting YouTube comment... "BTW can everyone stop comparing the dislike bar to justin beibers dick" |
| 20:42.00 | rosco762 | Justin Beiber is really bad though |
| 20:42.05 | rosco762 | He has a dick? |
| 20:42.17 | zenzelezz | rosco762: the comment went on to say just that |
| 20:42.30 | zenzelezz | the interesting thing was just how irrelevant the "dislike bar" was to the video |
| 20:42.30 | rosco762 | LOL |
| 20:43.02 | Shirik | http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4126/flightpath.jpg |
| 20:43.04 | rosco762 | Not a big fan of him. |
| 20:43.10 | Lulia | Nev, if I don't use "INPUTBOXTEMPLATE" it refuses to generate an edit box for me, like, I click in the area where it should be and nothing happens |
| 20:43.16 | zenzelezz | rosco762: this was on a Jimi Hendrix video |
| 20:43.46 | zenzelezz | shnice |
| 20:43.48 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 20:43.48 | rosco762 | hmmmm |
| 20:43.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik: nice |
| 20:43.51 | nevcairiel | Lulia: you need to set a width/height manually, of course |
| 20:44.07 | Lulia | I did that |
| 20:44.21 | Humbedooh | look at the frame xml :> |
| 20:44.24 | rosco762 | Well, I'm completely lost in the new part of SW at the moment |
| 20:44.26 | Humbedooh | and see what blizz does |
| 20:44.36 | Lulia | Blizzard uses XML to create it, Humbedooh |
| 20:44.46 | Lulia | Which isn't always easy to translate to the lua equiv |
| 20:45.01 | Humbedooh | yes, but look at the values they set for it |
| 20:45.04 | rosco762 | I cna't seem to find my way out. |
| 20:45.21 | rosco762 | And the bad part is that i'm on my blood elf |
| 20:45.36 | rosco762 | that's it i'm out |
| 20:45.38 | Pertheria | yeah, that is pretty bad.. who plays blood elfs anymore |
| 20:46.03 | rosco762 | ports to dallaran and takes a breath of reliefe |
| 20:46.15 | rosco762 | I love my blood elf |
| 20:46.30 | rosco762 | I'm not on my horde sever often anymore though |
| 20:47.02 | LebQzz | and my eclipse shadow is animated whoot |
| 20:47.27 | rosco762 | logs off and gets onto his DK dreniea |
| 20:49.50 | Lulia | Well there we go, I just wasn't clicking in the right place, apparently. Hmm |
| 20:50.02 | Lulia | The cursor looks a bit odd, and you can't actually type anything. Odd. |
| 20:50.28 | Lulia | But that helped, I'll figure this out. Thanks |
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| 20:51.41 | rosco762 | Crap why the hell am I in the middle of ICC alone? |
| 20:52.05 | Humbedooh | did you add a fontstring, lulia? :> |
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| 20:55.19 | Lulia | Hmm, Humbedooh? |
| 20:55.38 | Lulia | I'm guessing the cursor and font settings for editboxes are convered in the "INPUTBOXTEMPLATE" |
| 20:55.50 | Humbedooh | the inputboxtemplate states that you need a fontstring object |
| 20:55.50 | Lulia | because I can type something and it doesn't show up, but it has been typed |
| 20:56.01 | Lulia | Hmm, so I'll have to set a font for it |
| 20:56.27 | LebQzz | when using SetRotation on texture, why does it get resized? |
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| 20:57.01 | Humbedooh | because of math :> |
| 20:57.11 | foxlit | math is innocent. |
| 20:57.22 | kraftman | whats the easiest way to bind a function to a key? |
| 20:57.32 | Humbedooh | if you rotate a texture that's 1x1 units by 45 degrees, your new height and width is sqrt(1^2 + 1^2) |
| 20:57.58 | Humbedooh | or more commonly known as: a^2 + b^2 = c^2 |
| 20:58.00 | Lulia | I just ended up using a new texture instead of using SetRotate |
| 20:58.05 | LebQzz | but when i reset it... its smaller |
| 20:58.05 | Lulia | The size thing pissed me off :( |
| 20:58.14 | jnwhiteh | mine doesn't resize |
| 20:58.19 | jnwhiteh | because I use a square texture :P |
| 20:58.27 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: we're talking textures, hrrhrm |
| 20:58.29 | LebQzz | so do O |
| 20:58.37 | jnwhiteh | the TomTom arrow does not get resized |
| 20:58.42 | cbreak | hmm... when you rotate a texture |
| 20:58.42 | jnwhiteh | and it rotates 360º |
| 20:58.46 | cbreak | you should get a rotated texture |
| 20:58.48 | cbreak | no resizing |
| 20:58.49 | Humbedooh | LebQzz: try setting your texture to your original size * sqrt(2) |
| 20:58.53 | cbreak | but of course sampling artefacts |
| 20:59.09 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: do you use SetRotate or manual tex coords? |
| 20:59.14 | jnwhiteh | SetRotate() |
| 20:59.16 | cbreak | I use rotated textures intensively in one of my addons |
| 20:59.20 | LebQzz | ./reload is faster than to dig through code |
| 20:59.36 | Dagmar | * sqrt(2)? You like blurry that much huh |
| 20:59.42 | LebQzz | god my eclipse animations is awesome ;P |
| 20:59.58 | cbreak | but I do it with SetTexCoord |
| 20:59.59 | LebQzz | isnt sqrt(2) also knows as i? |
| 21:00.04 | Lulia | It definitely resized my texture when I used SetRotation |
| 21:00.04 | cbreak | no |
| 21:00.05 | Humbedooh | no |
| 21:00.13 | cbreak | i is sqrt(-1) |
| 21:00.17 | Humbedooh | no :( |
| 21:00.21 | Lulia | The actual size and scale values never changed. |
| 21:00.22 | Humbedooh | i is i |
| 21:00.25 | Lulia | But it was smaller |
| 21:00.36 | Humbedooh | sqrt(-1) = +/- 1 |
| 21:01.02 | cbreak | not really :) |
| 21:01.05 | Lulia | But the texture was a rectangle, not a square. No idea if that had anything to do with it |
| 21:01.20 | LebQzz | my textures are squares |
| 21:01.31 | Humbedooh | how much are you rotating it? |
| 21:01.47 | Humbedooh | if it's not in 90 degree chunks, you'll need to resize it I'd say |
| 21:01.57 | Lulia | I did mine by 90 degrees |
| 21:02.09 | Humbedooh | or... half a pi |
| 21:02.12 | Lulia | It was a function on pi |
| 21:02.14 | Lulia | yeah |
| 21:02.16 | Lulia | math.pi/2 |
| 21:02.20 | LebQzz | well wanted to see the option of having the outer glow as 2 textures rotating diff speeds and pulsating and color changing ;P |
| 21:02.24 | rosco762 | Alright that's how you make 40000g in 5 minuets |
| 21:02.32 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/PowerBars-EditBox2.jpg |
| 21:02.38 | Lulia | The multi line edit box works :) |
| 21:02.39 | nevcairiel | A proper rotation should not change the size, unless the game itself ss trying to keep the outer bounds the same |
| 21:02.46 | Lulia | I learned some neat stuff in that. |
| 21:03.04 | Lulia | However, now I have to figure out why my scroll frame isn't working. I'm sure I just typoed something. |
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| 21:03.15 | Humbedooh | you would have to, nev |
| 21:03.22 | nevcairiel | scrollframes are tricky business |
| 21:03.25 | Lulia | Or, actually, it might be because the extra lines are drawn in after the scroll frame has been made. |
| 21:03.29 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 21:03.35 | Humbedooh | just rotate a piece of paper on your desk and observe |
| 21:03.43 | nevcairiel | size doesnt change |
| 21:03.47 | Humbedooh | it'll outgrow its old borders |
| 21:03.53 | Humbedooh | height and width changes |
| 21:03.58 | Lulia | Well yeah |
| 21:04.02 | Humbedooh | it's not a circle :\ |
| 21:04.04 | LebQzz | well i dont mind it going outside and getting cropped |
| 21:04.07 | Lulia | But when I did it, I changed the width to the height and vice versa |
| 21:04.11 | Lulia | Then rotated it |
| 21:04.13 | nevcairiel | yes, but a rotation isnt expected to shrink it |
| 21:04.18 | Lulia | And it was smaller on the screen |
| 21:04.25 | cbreak | as I said, I use SetTexCoord and it works |
| 21:04.35 | Lulia | I just made a new texture :P |
| 21:04.35 | Humbedooh | sure it's meant to shrink it |
| 21:04.36 | logistic | Hi, I'm trying to use CreateFrame to create a frame, I assumed the template option was supposed to be the name of a virtual frame, but that doesn't seem to be working. It is saying "Couldn't find inherited node" |
| 21:04.38 | LebQzz | can you rotate with that? |
| 21:04.45 | Humbedooh | your texture "grows" but the texture object doesn't |
| 21:04.45 | Lulia | But I might play around with it later, using less images is always nicer |
| 21:04.49 | nevcairiel | If i tell it to rotate, i mean rotate, let me deal with size |
| 21:05.01 | jnwhiteh | logistic: its the name of a template |
| 21:05.06 | logistic | I want to create a frame through the lua widget API which inherits from another frame |
| 21:05.13 | jnwhiteh | you can't inherit from another frame |
| 21:05.16 | jnwhiteh | you can inherit from templates |
| 21:05.19 | logistic | oh |
| 21:05.21 | nevcairiel | APIs should do one thing, and do it well |
| 21:05.24 | jnwhiteh | i.e. anything defined with virtual=true in the XML |
| 21:05.26 | nevcairiel | not do all the things at once, but suck :p |
| 21:05.36 | logistic | jnwhiteh: it is defined with virtual = true |
| 21:05.43 | jnwhiteh | then the file isn't loaded |
| 21:05.46 | jnwhiteh | or your load order is wrong |
| 21:05.47 | Humbedooh | nevcairiel: and pie should be free |
| 21:05.50 | Humbedooh | but it's not!! :( |
| 21:05.54 | jnwhiteh | or the XML file has an error, etc. |
| 21:06.40 | logistic | jnwhiteh: no errors in FrameXML, I am only loading after the OnLoad attribute of a parent frame within the same file is called |
| 21:06.41 | Humbedooh | LebQzz: If you want to create a smooth rotation by yourself, you might wanna take a look at affine transformations |
| 21:06.44 | nevcairiel | I dont think the layout engine actually cares about the outer bounds of a texture, it would just forward the rotation call to whatever graphics api they use |
| 21:06.56 | jnwhiteh | logistic: don't do it in an OnLoad |
| 21:07.04 | jnwhiteh | do it manually after you know stuff is loaded |
| 21:07.05 | Humbedooh | it doesn't rotate the texture in that way, nev :| |
| 21:07.08 | jnwhiteh | and test it manually to see. |
| 21:07.26 | Humbedooh | the rotate call is just a shorthand version of the settexcoord |
| 21:07.36 | nevcairiel | yes yes, same deal essentially though |
| 21:07.49 | logistic | jnwhiteh: the CreateFrame is being called in response to a button click anyway, I am absolutely sure it is loaded |
| 21:07.50 | LebQzz | well can i use SetScale in combat? |
| 21:07.57 | Humbedooh | no, because the rotation doesn't involve the size of the texture widget |
| 21:07.59 | LebQzz | since setheight and width is protected |
| 21:08.01 | Humbedooh | only the image file |
| 21:08.02 | jnwhiteh | then the frame you are naming does not exist |
| 21:08.02 | nevcairiel | LebQzz: on unprotected frames, yes |
| 21:08.04 | jnwhiteh | the API doesn't lie =) |
| 21:08.10 | jnwhiteh | there's only one explanation :P |
| 21:08.12 | LebQzz | aaah |
| 21:08.13 | Lulia | Oh, I like how SetText works for this edit box but not others >.> |
| 21:08.18 | LebQzz | now i get that problem ;P |
| 21:08.31 | LebQzz | is a subframe protected if the parent is protected? |
| 21:08.38 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:08.41 | Humbedooh | obviously |
| 21:08.43 | nevcairiel | well |
| 21:08.44 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:08.44 | logistic | jnwhiteh: that's impossible too, I got the name by calling GetName() on the frame itself |
| 21:08.53 | nevcairiel | my mistake :p |
| 21:09.03 | nevcairiel | if a child is protected, all parents get protected |
| 21:09.07 | nevcairiel | but not the other way around |
| 21:09.07 | zenzelezz | did you show us your code yet? |
| 21:09.08 | logistic | jnwhiteh: I'll just paste my code, it's not that large and maybe someone can help |
| 21:09.09 | rosco762 | WTF are yall talkingabout |
| 21:09.12 | Humbedooh | setsize might be a faster way |
| 21:09.29 | LebQzz | meaning is my unitframe is protected but the statusbar using unitframe as parent is that one protected aswell? |
| 21:09.35 | zenzelezz | rosco762: why the "WTF"? It's WoW coding |
| 21:09.42 | nevcairiel | no, you shold be able to do whatever to the statusbar |
| 21:09.54 | LebQzz | ok so only the parent is protected.. gotcha |
| 21:10.12 | rosco762 | hat the firetruck isn't that bad is it, and WTF is WoW coding |
| 21:10.26 | Humbedooh | LebQzz: there's still the horrible tentacles of doom to take care of |
| 21:10.27 | zenzelezz | do you know what this channel is about? |
| 21:10.36 | rosco762 | WoW |
| 21:10.42 | LebQzz | Humbedooh thats what we kill in the brrens now |
| 21:10.42 | zenzelezz | WoW UI development |
| 21:10.58 | rosco762 | VI development? |
| 21:11.05 | logistic | Groups.xml: http://pastebin.com/UUsZzqw4 Groups.lua: http://pastebin.com/Ek5ZQWNe |
| 21:11.06 | nevcairiel | you need some glasses |
| 21:11.10 | zenzelezz | rosco762: you're a funny one, aren't you |
| 21:11.17 | rosco762 | yes i am |
| 21:11.33 | zenzelezz | not funny enough to read my sarcasm |
| 21:11.42 | rosco762 | I'm wearing glasses but i still have crappy vision |
| 21:11.43 | nevcairiel | we already have our channel troll, there is no room for a new one, sorry! |
| 21:11.54 | logistic | Error message: Couldn't find inherited node "PlayerGroups_GroupFrame_GroupTemplate" |
| 21:12.25 | logistic | this is the line causing the error: local groupFrame = CreateFrame("Frame", format(prefix .. "_GroupFrame%d", nextGroupId), PlayersFrame, GroupTemplate:GetName()) |
| 21:12.36 | rosco762 | wHAT is this UI development |
| 21:13.23 | jnwhiteh | logistic: templates should NOT be inside another frame |
| 21:13.25 | jnwhiteh | only at the top leve. |
| 21:13.30 | logistic | rosco762: Stop trolling. Just incase you aren't trolling, this is a channel for discussing World of Wacraft user interface modification through the lua API. |
| 21:13.40 | logistic | jnwhiteh: oh, thanks! |
| 21:13.51 | rosco762 | nglish plz? |
| 21:13.59 | nevcairiel | clearly trolling |
| 21:14.19 | rosco762 | what is trolling |
| 21:14.19 | Lulia | Ban him? :P |
| 21:14.36 | rosco762 | I was in here last night and noone cared about me talking about wow |
| 21:14.42 | crazedfred | "trolling is a art" |
| 21:14.58 | rosco762 | I honestly don't know what i'm doing wrong |
| 21:15.20 | zenzelezz | how did you end up here in the first place? |
| 21:15.45 | rosco762 | I typed in WoW in the channel list and clicked join channel |
| 21:15.53 | rosco762 | that was a few weeks ago |
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| 21:16.19 | nevcairiel | freenode is not a network for chit-chat channels, you might have ended up on the wrong network to begin with :d |
| 21:17.04 | rosco762 | Would someone plz explain what this channel is about to where it makes sense |
| 21:17.16 | zenzelezz | we have, several times |
| 21:17.29 | rosco762 | It dosnt make sense though |
| 21:17.41 | Xinhuan | this channel is for WoW addon authors to discuss and share how to make addons, and improve them |
| 21:17.57 | rosco762 | Oh, ty |
| 21:18.00 | zenzelezz | if development or coding doesn't tell you what the channel is about, then you're in the wrong place |
| 21:18.19 | rosco762 | No, I don't make addons I use them. |
| 21:18.49 | Xinhuan | that's fine - users of addons can also talk about their experience with addons |
| 21:18.57 | rosco762 | yay |
| 21:19.04 | zenzelezz | yeah, but don't go WTFing us when you don't understand the discussion |
| 21:19.11 | Lulia | People talk about other things in this channel on occassion, but that's not its purpose. |
| 21:19.34 | rosco762 | Well, in that case, the addon acctioneer is really hard for me to figure out. |
| 21:19.49 | Xinhuan | well auctioneer tries to do like 1000 things at the same time |
| 21:19.57 | Xinhuan | there's also a seperate channel just for it |
| 21:20.05 | rosco762 | That's why I don't understand it |
| 21:20.15 | Xinhuan | that channel is #norganna |
| 21:20.33 | rosco762 | I use matrix |
| 21:20.49 | nevcairiel | auctioneer/gatherer channel |
| 21:20.51 | rosco762 | Bu8t I hvae two computers and fro somereason it only works on one. |
| 21:20.59 | nevcairiel | oh, you said that, not what |
| 21:21.03 | nevcairiel | i need to read better :P |
| 21:21.50 | Xinhuan | then perhaps you should not use it :P |
| 21:21.51 | rosco762 | I hvae it downloaded and everything but it just dosnt seem to work |
| 21:22.09 | rosco762 | Well, what other program sare there |
| 21:22.31 | Xinhuan | is matrix an addon? or are you referring to an addon updater? |
| 21:22.40 | rosco762 | addon updater |
| 21:22.50 | Xinhuan | there is Minion, and there is Curse Client |
| 21:22.52 | Xinhuan | as alternatives |
| 21:22.55 | cbreak | does not work is a stupid error description |
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| 21:22.59 | cbreak | and absolutely worthless |
| 21:23.31 | rosco762 | It says that it is unable to download the following files. and list the addons i try to download |
| 21:23.42 | Xinhuan | Minion performs updates for addons on wowinterface for the most part, while Curse client does it for wowace/curse |
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| 21:27.16 | cbreak | just download them yourself... |
| 21:27.53 | dardack | does minion work well? |
| 21:28.21 | Xinhuan | i dare say curse client works better and has better market penetration |
| 21:28.27 | crazedfred | I'm old fashioned, I just watch the Curse updates and download the ZIPs |
| 21:28.39 | crazedfred | I really should check wowace ETC for better addons but I don't bother |
| 21:28.46 | dardack | so i see they are making a auto looter for engineers, doesn't tha tmake it easier for bots? |
| 21:28.52 | logistic | Is it possible to have an OnLoad event for an entire XML file? or can I only have them for each individual frame? |
| 21:29.03 | Xinhuan | they are per frame |
| 21:29.10 | crazedfred | dardack: I think it's already possible to macro corpse looting, ISBoxer does it for you |
| 21:29.26 | logistic | are frames within a Ui element guaranteed to load in any specific order? |
| 21:29.32 | crazedfred | dardack: plus, bots already are capable of everything desired |
| 21:29.41 | dardack | yea i know, but didn't think it was macro'able |
| 21:29.42 | Xinhuan | they are created in the order specified in the XML |
| 21:29.57 | crazedfred | dardack: there's some sort of interact with corpse () you can call now |
| 21:29.58 | logistic | oh, so I can just put the OnLoad on the last frame for the same effect |
| 21:30.01 | Xinhuan | however, i'll also say that it is far easier to create frames in Lua code |
| 21:30.08 | Xinhuan | than in XML |
| 21:30.08 | dardack | crazedfred, i did not know that |
| 21:30.19 | crazedfred | dardack: yea apparently it's recent, unsure. |
| 21:30.34 | Xinhuan | because 5 lines of code can easily create what needs to be about 20 lines of xml |
| 21:30.36 | crazedfred | Is there a dogpile.com but for addons? :/ |
| 21:30.54 | dardack | know where i can go to find that, so i can macro it? |
| 21:30.54 | logistic | Xinhuan: yeah, I find the XML easier to read though |
| 21:30.59 | Xinhuan | xml is THAT verbose |
| 21:31.02 | Lulia | Oo, I have a weird 3/4 spacing issue. |
| 21:31.08 | Xinhuan | logistic, it isn't easier |
| 21:31.11 | Lulia | I wonder if it's an actual space or something I can't fix. |
| 21:31.13 | Xinhuan | Lua is easier to read |
| 21:31.25 | logistic | anyway, I thought AbsDimension was really absolute, but it doesn't seem to be |
| 21:31.26 | crazedfred | dardack: ask dual-boxers, try dual-boxing.com or their #dual-boxing channel |
| 21:31.26 | Xinhuan | also because any errors you have in XML doesn't get logged in game by an error catcher |
| 21:31.44 | Xinhuan | while any lua error is easily detectable right down to line number |
| 21:32.02 | logistic | Xinhuan: they are logged in the frame xml log |
| 21:32.03 | Xinhuan | while you will instead have to run your XML thru internet explorer to detect where there might be an error |
| 21:32.17 | logistic | or an xml editor |
| 21:32.21 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/PowerBars-EditBox3.jpg |
| 21:32.22 | Xinhuan | yes but annoying to have to look thru yet another file, which doesn't specify the line number |
| 21:32.26 | Xinhuan | or another utility |
| 21:32.45 | Lulia | The first line in the edit box is always roughly 3/4 of a space off from the others |
| 21:33.00 | Xinhuan | i'm probably not going to convince you |
| 21:33.04 | Xinhuan | but unless you've tried both |
| 21:33.05 | Lulia | Even though the only difference is that every line other than line 1 is prefixed with a \n so that it's on a new line. |
| 21:33.12 | Xinhuan | you won't really know which is better for yourself |
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| 21:33.29 | logistic | anyway, many addons seem to just be spaghetti code |
| 21:33.38 | Lulia | Well, what's easier to read is very subjective. Just remember, logistic, that a lot of addon authors prefer to read lua as opposed to xml |
| 21:33.44 | logistic | However terrible mine is, others will be worse |
| 21:33.48 | Xinhuan | only if you allow the code to look like spaghetti |
| 21:33.51 | Lulia | Mine is awful. |
| 21:33.53 | Lulia | >.> |
| 21:33.57 | logistic | have you seen gearscore? |
| 21:34.01 | logistic | ugh |
| 21:34.09 | Lulia | I'm sure mine is worse |
| 21:34.16 | Lulia | Just smaller :P |
| 21:34.39 | Lulia | Does anyone else see that little bit of space disparity? |
| 21:35.00 | logistic | Lulia: as bad as this? http://pastebin.com/Vj3mnAGM |
| 21:35.09 | crazedfred | remember that one addon (AV enabler or similar?) that only worked for horde? |
| 21:35.16 | Lulia | logistic: Worse |
| 21:35.21 | crazedfred | the guy made spagetti code and hid faction checks in like nine places |
| 21:35.39 | logistic | crazedfred: lol that's against addon policy now |
| 21:35.53 | crazedfred | which addon policy? Wows? |
| 21:35.54 | logistic | crazedfred: I'd consider that obfuscation |
| 21:35.58 | logistic | crazedfred: yes |
| 21:36.10 | crazedfred | oh of course it's obsufication lol |
| 21:36.14 | logistic | speaking of which, how is carbonite not obfuscated? |
| 21:36.29 | crazedfred | I'm confused how Blizzard expects to enforce any part of its addon policy though? |
| 21:36.36 | crazedfred | Those using the addon aren't to blame |
| 21:36.49 | crazedfred | and if they ban an addon by code or SHA hash or by name, it can be changed |
| 21:37.01 | Xinhuan | because the term "obfuscated" is itself a very vague word with an imprecise meaning |
| 21:37.10 | Xinhuan | what is obfuscated to one can be clear as day to another |
| 21:37.37 | Lulia | Oo, I figured out why the spacing was off. |
| 21:37.57 | crazedfred | Oh my god is that real GearScore code? |
| 21:38.34 | crazedfred | This is terrifying |
| 21:38.52 | airtonix | IS IT ? |
| 21:38.57 | airtonix | ARE YOU SCARED? |
| 21:39.05 | airtonix | by numbers and letters ? |
| 21:39.07 | crazedfred | I am. I am scared. |
| 21:39.16 | airtonix | (and a small amount of punctuation ? ) |
| 21:39.23 | crazedfred | What has science wrought!?!? |
| 21:39.28 | cbreak | what? blizz tried to ban an addon? |
| 21:39.52 | crazedfred | cbreak: not to my knowledge, but I am curious how they would, I don't think they'd be able to |
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| 21:40.04 | airtonix | they don't |
| 21:40.04 | cbreak | indeed. impossible. |
| 21:40.09 | Humbedooh | obfuscating is more about the intent of the author than the look and feel of the code |
| 21:40.09 | airtonix | they just lol cut the api up |
| 21:40.10 | Lulia | They break addon functionality if they think it does something they dont want addons to do |
| 21:40.26 | logistic | carbonite has obviously been run through an automated obfuscation program |
| 21:40.26 | crazedfred | They just have a "policy" that is completely unenforceable |
| 21:40.41 | logistic | have you seen the code? |
| 21:40.44 | crazedfred | lol @ trying to sell addons >< |
| 21:40.58 | airtonix | didn't we cover this topic a year ago ? |
| 21:41.03 | airtonix | to death? |
| 21:41.33 | crazedfred | if you were hear a year ago |
| 21:41.37 | crazedfred | *here |
| 21:41.43 | airtonix | my hearing spans time and space |
| 21:41.48 | crazedfred | lol |
| 21:42.19 | crazedfred | that's a lot of Justin B music to tolerate :( |
| 21:42.27 | logistic | carbonite has autogenerated variable names, no formatting, inline binary encoded data, and is 26000 lines in one file |
| 21:42.33 | cbreak | selling addons is like selling java script libraries |
| 21:42.38 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 21:42.40 | logistic | you can't get anymore obfuscated than that |
| 21:42.53 | Dagmar | logistic: Yes, you actually can |
| 21:43.15 | crazedfred | for the sake of argument, yes it's pretty damn obfuscated :P |
| 21:43.38 | cbreak | there are many things you can do in lua, by virtue of it's ability to execute strings |
| 21:43.49 | cbreak | like, encoding parts of your addon in a string inside your addon |
| 21:43.53 | crazedfred | lol |
| 21:43.54 | cbreak | and encrypting that part |
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| 21:43.59 | crazedfred | performance issues? |
| 21:44.04 | cbreak | only on load |
| 21:44.09 | crazedfred | fair enough |
| 21:44.16 | cbreak | not that I tried it... |
| 21:44.21 | foxlit | 1. Write your own VM ontop of lua |
| 21:44.21 | cbreak | but it should be fairly easy :) |
| 21:44.22 | Cairenn | oi vey, we aren't seriously going to start in on the addon policy again, are we? |
| 21:44.22 | logistic | does WoW use luaJIT? |
| 21:44.23 | foxlit | 2. ??? |
| 21:44.24 | foxlit | 3. Profit. |
| 21:44.26 | crazedfred | hahahaha |
| 21:44.45 | cbreak | logistic: I doubt it |
| 21:44.54 | crazedfred | My code is written in fred-bytecode and runs on the fred-VM |
| 21:44.55 | crazedfred | Bring it |
| 21:45.01 | Cairenn | I swear, I'll /mode +m the channel and go afk for the next 24 hrs if you guys start to :p |
| 21:45.11 | Lulia | Not with you around, Cairenn |
| 21:45.30 | crazedfred | Nobody's talking about policy ATM... |
| 21:45.45 | Lulia | gives Cairenn a hug. |
| 21:45.55 | logistic | so what do you guys think of the addon policy? |
| 21:45.58 | Cairenn | hugs Lulia |
| 21:45.59 | crazedfred | lol |
| 21:46.51 | crazedfred | Is carbonite even a good addon anyway? |
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| 21:47.07 | crazedfred | A friend of mine uses the full version, it seems like a decent map and little else |
| 21:47.07 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 21:47.31 | crazedfred | If it was a full UI overhaul (and not some stupid addon repack like everybody does) maybe I'd be interested |
| 21:47.33 | logistic | it used to be useful back before blizzard added their own quest map |
| 21:47.33 | Dagmar | The map is about the only thing it's got going for it, and that could stand to be redone with less eyesore |
| 21:47.42 | logistic | it was a questhelper alternative |
| 21:47.45 | crazedfred | ah |
| 21:47.56 | crazedfred | And now they added a franken-questhelper to default UI |
| 21:48.24 | Dagmar | Yep, complete with SpoilerTrak(tm) functionality |
| 21:48.34 | crazedfred | lol |
| 21:48.39 | crazedfred | "find mancrik's wife" |
| 21:48.48 | crazedfred | "mancrik's mife: 40 steps that way --->" |
| 21:49.06 | Dagmar | "What... how did you know to find me here?" |
| 21:49.27 | Dagmar | "I dunno man, I just go where the yellow arrow points. Who are you, anyway?" |
| 21:49.40 | crazedfred | "Meh he's red I think that means we kill him" |
| 21:50.36 | cbreak | I did some low level quest in wastfal |
| 21:50.43 | cbreak | "Kill this fearsome big murloc" |
| 21:51.00 | cbreak | ... and there's a skull on my minimap that moves exactly the same as the mob... |
| 21:51.26 | cbreak | hunters should go moan on the forums about making their tracking abilities redundant |
| 21:51.33 | Lulia | I really dislike that formatting stuff is included in string sizes |
| 21:52.00 | crazedfred | Okay, actual addon question: is there a decent way to evaluate syntactic correctness of an addon BEFORE launching into WoW? Say I write some new function, can I have it checked for "compile-time"-style errors before logging in? |
| 21:52.11 | cbreak | string sizes? |
| 21:52.24 | crazedfred | It'd be annoying to launch WoW to find I spelled it "funnction" |
| 21:52.27 | cbreak | just filter them if you don't want markup to be counted. |
| 21:52.42 | foxlit | luac |
| 21:52.52 | cbreak | crazedfred: syntax highlighting editor |
| 21:53.00 | Lulia | If I use color or a \n |
| 21:53.02 | crazedfred | cbreak: I do use Notepad++ |
| 21:53.04 | Lulia | It's counted into the string size |
| 21:53.05 | cbreak | also, just write your addon with wow running :) |
| 21:53.09 | A-KO | yeah |
| 21:53.11 | A-KO | what cbreak said |
| 21:53.15 | crazedfred | wait, that works? |
| 21:53.19 | cbreak | Lulia: that's normal :) |
| 21:53.19 | crazedfred | lol >< |
| 21:53.20 | cbreak | sure |
| 21:53.23 | cbreak | I do it all the time |
| 21:53.27 | logistic | we need a new AVR |
| 21:53.27 | crazedfred | just reload UI and you get new changes? |
| 21:53.28 | Lulia | I know it's normal, but it's annoying |
| 21:53.29 | A-KO | crazedfred: You have to first get WoW to recognize it (TOC file, add files to TOC)--after that |
| 21:53.30 | A-KO | you're golden |
| 21:53.35 | cbreak | you just need /console reloadui to get the new content |
| 21:53.39 | crazedfred | kk |
| 21:53.40 | Lulia | It's not a part of the visible string |
| 21:53.41 | crazedfred | very cool! |
| 21:53.41 | A-KO | it won't reload the TOC |
| 21:53.45 | crazedfred | meh |
| 21:53.49 | cbreak | Lulia: it is visible |
| 21:53.50 | Lulia | So if I'm using string size for formatting, it throws everything off |
| 21:53.51 | crazedfred | TOC is for babies! Um |
| 21:53.59 | A-KO | so if you add files, you need to exit/restart wow |
| 21:54.00 | airtonix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd_%28film%29 |
| 21:54.10 | Lulia | cbreak: You know what I mean. |
| 21:54.20 | cbreak | what do you mean strings ize for formating? |
| 21:54.34 | cbreak | you know that each glyph has a different size, right? :) |
| 21:54.35 | Lulia | If I have the phrase: "This is a test." and the phrase "|cFFFF0000This is a test." |
| 21:54.52 | Lulia | One is longer than the other according to strlen, but the visible length of the shown string is exactly the same |
| 21:54.52 | LebQzz | thats see through right |
| 21:55.05 | cbreak | # doesn't give you the width of a string. it gives you the number of bytes in a string. |
| 21:55.13 | Lulia | I'm not using # |
| 21:55.22 | Lulia | I'm using string.len() |
| 21:55.29 | cbreak | IIIIIIII and MMMMMMMM have the same byte length, but not the same visual length |
| 21:55.37 | jnwhiteh | Lua has no idea what the 'width' of a string would be.. |
| 21:55.38 | cbreak | unless you use a fixed with font :) |
| 21:55.39 | jnwhiteh | at all. |
| 21:55.55 | cbreak | also, ä and a have different lengths |
| 21:55.59 | cbreak | depending on the encoding |
| 21:56.04 | Lulia | Once again, that's not the issue |
| 21:56.07 | Humbedooh | you should use a hidden fontstring for that |
| 21:56.16 | crazedfred | the lazy way: figure out how many "M"s fill up the width, and limit your string to that many chars :) |
| 21:56.22 | crazedfred | will work in most cases haha |
| 21:56.26 | cbreak | Lulia: that's irelevant |
| 21:56.32 | cbreak | string.len uses the same as # |
| 21:56.36 | Lulia | string.len("This is some text.") returns a different value than string.len("|cFFFF0000This is some text.") |
| 21:56.38 | Lulia | It's annoying |
| 21:56.55 | crazedfred | add formatting after checking length? |
| 21:57.07 | Humbedooh | use GetStringWidth |
| 21:57.10 | Humbedooh | !api GetStringWidth |
| 21:57.11 | lua_bot | FontString:GetStringWidth: Returns the width of the text displayed in the font string (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString/GetStringWidth) |
| 21:57.21 | cbreak | why do you want to know the length of a string anyway? |
| 21:57.37 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: its not annoying |
| 21:57.41 | jnwhiteh | its annoying that you expect it to do anything but |
| 21:57.49 | jnwhiteh | those are two Lua strings, and they have VASTLY different lengths. |
| 21:58.02 | jnwhiteh | You don't want string length, you want the length of the font string that has been set to display a given string |
| 21:58.05 | jnwhiteh | that's ENTIRELY different |
| 21:58.13 | jnwhiteh | use the right tool for the right job |
| 21:58.24 | jnwhiteh | Lua and WoW does precisely the right thing here :P |
| 21:58.40 | Humbedooh | It's working as intended!!!!!! |
| 21:58.48 | Lulia | I thought string.len was the only function for the job, I didn't know there was another :P |
| 21:58.53 | cbreak | it's like saying that it's annoying that your spoon is so dull, because it takes ages to cut your stake with that... |
| 21:59.01 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: string.len works on strings. |
| 21:59.06 | jnwhiteh | not FontString objects |
| 21:59.07 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:59.15 | Lulia | :P |
| 21:59.22 | cbreak | just use the right tool for the job |
| 21:59.38 | crazedfred | Clearly the solution is to use kludgey regexes to strip out formatting THEN use .len |
| 21:59.41 | crazedfred | right? right? :( |
| 21:59.49 | cbreak | I bet with you: you don't want to know the number of glyphs in the string |
| 21:59.51 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: obvi. |
| 22:00.00 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: i have code that does that :P |
| 22:00.07 | cbreak | what for? |
| 22:00.29 | jnwhiteh | to do utf8 aware string.subs |
| 22:00.52 | Lulia | Hmm, it appears I have to turn the string into a fontstring object to use GetStringWidth() |
| 22:01.01 | cbreak | hmm... utf-8 is a pain :/ |
| 22:01.07 | jnwhiteh | nope, its easy actually |
| 22:01.12 | cbreak | Lulia: obviously |
| 22:01.14 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: no, there's no 'turn into' |
| 22:01.16 | Xinhuan | GetStringWidth() also returns the results in scaled pixels |
| 22:01.23 | Xinhuan | its not actually the number of displayed characters |
| 22:01.23 | cbreak | because you can't know the width of a string without a font :) |
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| 22:01.26 | jnwhiteh | you have to have a font string, and then set the font string to display the string you want. |
| 22:01.27 | nevcairiel | the glyph-length rules are pretty easy, indeed |
| 22:01.28 | Xinhuan | which might be what you want |
| 22:01.48 | crazedfred | jnwhiteh: "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, Iâll use regular expressions.' Now they have two problems." |
| 22:01.58 | Lulia | Hmm, that's not exactly what I'm looking for. I'll have to think on this. |
| 22:02.01 | jnwhiteh | s/regular expressions/XML/g |
| 22:02.06 | crazedfred | haha |
| 22:02.06 | Xinhuan | have fun ;p |
| 22:02.10 | crazedfred | also true |
| 22:02.12 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: what the hell ARE you trying to do? |
| 22:02.27 | jnwhiteh | give me that and I'll tell you how you should do it. |
| 22:02.30 | Xinhuan | you will need A LOT of regexes to determine the number of displayed chars |
| 22:02.32 | Humbedooh | s/regular expressions/Windows/ |
| 22:02.46 | Xinhuan | and some will not even work, because of real IDs |
| 22:02.54 | Xinhuan | the wow UI now hides real names |
| 22:03.04 | crazedfred | I was kidding, I hope that's clear |
| 22:03.04 | cbreak | real IDs? |
| 22:03.09 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: corporate espionage, judging from the level of secrecy |
| 22:03.09 | Xinhuan | and your string will only contain a integer coded to represent the real name |
| 22:03.09 | crazedfred | please god don't use regexes >< :P |
| 22:03.10 | cbreak | how does that possibly work? |
| 22:03.11 | nevcairiel | we're talking about utf-8, not some weird wow constructs :D |
| 22:03.22 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:03.26 | foxlit | "Xinhuan: the wow UI now hides real names" << hm? |
| 22:03.29 | SqueeG | regexes *can* be awesome |
| 22:03.31 | Xinhuan | it works like |K132|sdf|k |
| 22:03.32 | Humbedooh | now now, regex has its uses |
| 22:03.35 | Xinhuan | which when printed out |
| 22:03.39 | cbreak | so if I write someone's name in chat, wow will censor it? |
| 22:03.41 | Xinhuan | displays the real name of the person 132 |
| 22:03.46 | Lulia | I'm formatting text to be displayed in an editbox. The text is preceeded by a number representing a line. Thus it's: |
| 22:03.48 | foxlit | ah, fun. |
| 22:03.48 | Lulia | 1. text |
| 22:03.50 | Lulia | 2. text |
| 22:03.50 | crazedfred | foxlit: with Cata, you now have two usernames, your normal one and a SECRET ONE |
| 22:03.56 | Xinhuan | so from a Lua point of view, you have no way of obtaining the real name |
| 22:04.02 | Xinhuan | apart from the integer 132 |
| 22:04.14 | Humbedooh | Lulia: so you're looking for string.format then? :\ |
| 22:04.16 | Xinhuan | because the renderer is the one that replaces the integer with the real name |
| 22:04.20 | Lulia | etc... so when you get numbers with more than one digit, it has to see that it's slightly longer and add a space |
| 22:04.27 | foxlit | Xinhuan: cute, but I don't think that's bulletproof. |
| 22:04.29 | Lulia | Well, I made one, more-or-less |
| 22:04.31 | Humbedooh | no you don't Lulia |
| 22:04.39 | Lulia | And it worked just fine |
| 22:04.41 | Xinhuan | it is, foxlit, because the ID changes from session to session |
| 22:04.45 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: you can't possible know that without knowing the font |
| 22:04.48 | jnwhiteh | plaint and simple |
| 22:04.49 | Xinhuan | it starts from 1 and goes up |
| 22:04.52 | Humbedooh | Lulia: just use padded spaces |
| 22:04.58 | jnwhiteh | you can approximate it, but yu can't be 'correct' without using the font and knowing it. |
| 22:05.01 | Xinhuan | as each friend comes online, it gets assigned the next ID |
| 22:05.03 | Xinhuan | until you logout |
| 22:05.08 | jnwhiteh | now use a monospaced font and pad |
| 22:05.11 | foxlit | Xinhuan: that's not what I'm thinking about. |
| 22:05.13 | jnwhiteh | %3d |
| 22:05.14 | jnwhiteh | and it works |
| 22:05.22 | cbreak | you can't pad with spaces unless the font has all numbers and space at the same width |
| 22:05.32 | Xinhuan | you also can't use an editbox, you only copy the |K132 etc text |
| 22:05.34 | jnwhiteh | ^^ hence I said monospace |
| 22:05.42 | jnwhiteh | are oyu trying to replicate WowLua |
| 22:05.45 | jnwhiteh | cause it sounds like that to me. |
| 22:05.47 | cbreak | it's better to separate line numbers from the content |
| 22:05.54 | Lulia | WowLua? |
| 22:06.01 | jnwhiteh | !addon WowLua |
| 22:06.02 | lua_bot | WowLua (v. v40000-1.0.0) last updated Fri Oct 15 16:43 (http://is.gd/hSYSU) |
| 22:06.11 | Lulia | I have an internal message reporter for my AddOn, that's what I'm doing |
| 22:06.22 | cbreak | !addon WowLua |
| 22:06.23 | lua_bot | WowLua (v. v40000-1.0.0) last updated Fri Oct 15 16:43 (http://is.gd/hSYSU) |
| 22:06.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah, you clearly want the method I use. |
| 22:06.28 | Lulia | Not trying to replicate WowLua |
| 22:06.29 | jnwhiteh | two columns |
| 22:06.32 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 22:06.35 | jnwhiteh | one with numbers the other with text |
| 22:06.40 | Xinhuan | the escape code for real names is quite foolproof from an Lua standpoint, no addon can retrieve any real name |
| 22:06.46 | cbreak | this lua_bot could rickroll a lot of people that way |
| 22:06.46 | Humbedooh | lua> string.format("%2d %2d %2d", 1, 28, 5) |
| 22:06.51 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 1 28 5 |
| 22:06.54 | Humbedooh | and voila, padded zeroes |
| 22:06.57 | Humbedooh | err spaces |
| 22:07.00 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: only works with monospace, again. |
| 22:07.00 | foxlit | Xinhuan: variable width fonts is what I'm thinking |
| 22:07.00 | crazedfred | Wait, this http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/ site is COOL |
| 22:07.04 | jnwhiteh | as we've said. |
| 22:07.10 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: arial narrow is your friend! |
| 22:07.11 | crazedfred | I was wondering if there was a site that indexes curse + ui + ace |
| 22:07.17 | foxlit | kind of what like jnwhiteh is on about, but in reverse :P |
| 22:07.18 | cbreak | Xinhuan: what if an addon HAS a real name? |
| 22:07.28 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:07.50 | Humbedooh | or you could do |
| 22:07.53 | cbreak | no, just use two separate things for line numbers and text |
| 22:07.58 | Humbedooh | lua> string.format("%02d %02d %02d", 1, 28, 5) |
| 22:07.58 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 01 28 05 |
| 22:08.15 | foxlit | though no, that'd still only get you an anagram of the name. |
| 22:08.19 | Xinhuan | that's a bit extreme foxlit and even that won't really work |
| 22:08.27 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: its so much easier, that's why I did it that way :P |
| 22:08.31 | jnwhiteh | and copy/paste works properly |
| 22:08.32 | Lulia | Well, the font is dictated by the editbox I have created. I just use the same font I use for everything, what's a good monospace font to use? |
| 22:08.42 | Xinhuan | also letters in a name aren't unique |
| 22:08.45 | crazedfred | Comic Sans |
| 22:08.50 | Lulia | I made it an editbox for being able to copy and paste, yeah |
| 22:08.51 | Humbedooh | depends on what you wanna use the font for, Lulia |
| 22:09.00 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: what do you want for Copy/paste behaviour? |
| 22:09.12 | jnwhiteh | because you cannot do it this way if you want reasoable c/p behaviour |
| 22:09.39 | Xinhuan | cbreak, i mean that via the wow API, no addon is capable of retrieving anyone's real name on his friends list |
| 22:09.48 | Lulia | Well, the point of the msglog is to report useful information on what the addon is doing. If my addon does something unexpected I can have it throw an error and then look at what was going on in the addon when the error was thrown. |
| 22:09.56 | Xinhuan | it is impossible |
| 22:10.09 | crazedfred | Xinhuan: didn't it used to be possible? |
| 22:10.15 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: when they copy what is in the edit box, should they get the 1. and shit? |
| 22:10.16 | Xinhuan | it used to be, until patch 4.0.1 |
| 22:10.18 | jnwhiteh | or just after the 1. |
| 22:10.20 | crazedfred | Gotcha |
| 22:10.25 | Xinhuan | now its impossible |
| 22:10.27 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 22:10.34 | Lulia | They dont need to, but I have it that way right now |
| 22:10.41 | Lulia | But in theory, no, it isnt really needed |
| 22:10.48 | jnwhiteh | then do it the way I told you to |
| 22:10.58 | jnwhiteh | and you get the right behavior, and its easier and right |
| 22:11.13 | Lulia | You said use a monospace font and %3d with format? |
| 22:11.19 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 22:11.21 | jnwhiteh | i said use two columns |
| 22:11.25 | foxlit | Xinhuan: up to an anagram is my best bet at the moment. |
| 22:11.25 | jnwhiteh | one for the numbers and one for the entries. |
| 22:11.34 | crazedfred | What version of Lua does WoW use? |
| 22:11.37 | jnwhiteh | then you can right-jutify the numbers |
| 22:11.42 | jnwhiteh | and left justify the data |
| 22:11.45 | Xinhuan | foxlit, even that's a guess at best |
| 22:12.01 | jnwhiteh | crazedfred: a patched version of 5.1.4 as far as I know. |
| 22:12.02 | foxlit | A guess that you can make as precise as you need it to be :) |
| 22:12.02 | Xinhuan | a real name "JJJ" could have the same length as another "WWWWWWW" |
| 22:12.04 | cbreak | 5.1.4 |
| 22:12.05 | Lulia | Two separate editboxes then? |
| 22:12.12 | foxlit | More fonts :) |
| 22:12.19 | Yoshimo | is there a way to add the wowpedia in firefox as searchengine? |
| 22:12.24 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: the left one oes not need to be an editbox |
| 22:12.25 | jnwhiteh | just a fontstring |
| 22:12.31 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 22:12.44 | Xinhuan | i'll like to see you make a font for that |
| 22:12.47 | Lulia | Yea, I suppose I'm seeing that now. Hmm. |
| 22:12.48 | Xinhuan | multiple fonts |
| 22:12.52 | crazedfred | Yoshimo: there's a way to add any parameterized URL as a search engine, google "add custom search engine to firefox" |
| 22:13.02 | Xinhuan | including names that support 8 languages in the world |
| 22:14.01 | cbreak | 8 is easy |
| 22:14.06 | cbreak | you can find that many in europe alone |
| 22:14.11 | foxlit | Meh, less of an issue; and the standard 52-char case will get most interesting things. |
| 22:14.37 | foxlit | The'd still be anagrams, though, and I don't have a solution for that. |
| 22:14.42 | Xinhuan | still, an addon with custom fonts to guess people's real names |
| 22:14.46 | Xinhuan | isn't terribly useful |
| 22:14.47 | foxlit | So it's safe for now :) |
| 22:18.04 | cbreak | wonder if you can detect the position of the space in a real name by forcing a line break and then looking at the max length, comparing with one line solution |
| 22:18.15 | Yoshimo | crazedfred: , maybe even not necessary , if http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=wowpedia.org does it |
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| 22:18.43 | Xinhuan | probably, but i've never tested if GetStringWidth() works in that case |
| 22:18.44 | crazedfred | Yoshimo: very cool. |
| 22:19.45 | foxlit | Yoshimo: it really should work out of the box -- my firefox offers to add it from the search box while visiting the site. |
| 22:20.05 | Yoshimo | mine didnt |
| 22:20.26 | cbreak | I just add a bookmark with keyword for each searchable thing |
| 22:20.46 | cbreak | then I can search google with google searchstring, wikipedia with wiki searchstring, wowhead with wh searchstring... |
| 22:20.58 | cbreak | all without wasting space on some stupid search bar |
| 22:21.49 | crazedfred | write a perl script that trawls your addons directory and that addon indexing site, and automatically suggests addons for you |
| 22:22.01 | cbreak | suggest? |
| 22:22.02 | foxlit | Yoshimo: http://www.go-hero.net/box/lap-search.png |
| 22:23.23 | crazedfred | cbreak: s/suggests/chooses randomly/g |
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| 22:37.56 | Adys | So how is blizzard preventing entry in cata zones? |
| 22:38.10 | Xinhuan | phasing |
| 22:38.40 | foxlit | http://static.wowhead.com/images/home/special/cata/tearedpage.jpg |
| 22:38.57 | foxlit | wowhead rickrolled you in PHP. That must hurt double :( |
| 22:39.31 | nevcairiel | Adys: there is mountains where there shouldnt be! |
| 22:39.49 | nevcairiel | and since you cannot fly yet :D |
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| 22:42.38 | nevcairiel | You might be able to water-walk to vashjir unless there is something in the way as well |
| 22:43.01 | foxlit | Fatigue ought to be enough; it's a heck of a boat trip? |
| 22:43.07 | Amarande | anyone else notice that "Going Down?" became an automatic achievement with the new quest content? |
| 22:43.14 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, you can't |
| 22:43.24 | Xinhuan | when you get near vashjir, you get auto ported back to EK |
| 22:43.28 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:44.08 | nevcairiel | its not that far from the outer vashjir border to the borders of dun morogh, it should be possible to pass it without fatique kicking in |
| 22:45.22 | Dagmar | The new zones have those odd zone-reload fields in the way |
| 22:45.31 | Dagmar | I had the same hting happen from the Wetlands last night. |
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| 22:46.00 | Dagmar | I got up against the now-closed gates where there was some red stuff and *pfft* the client starts zoning and drops me about 100 yards back from where I was |
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| 22:46.48 | Yoshimo | how dare you trying to visit areas you are not allowed to yet? ;) |
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| 22:47.25 | Xinhuan | even if you found a way in, no quests are activated yet |
| 22:47.26 | Amarande | Yoshimo? I thought I killed you in Spellhold. :D |
| 22:47.54 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: how would you know! |
| 22:48.04 | nevcairiel | not that it matters, you're stuck at xp cap anyway |
| 22:48.05 | Xinhuan | blue posts stated so |
| 22:48.49 | Lulia | All of the NPCs are phased out |
| 22:48.52 | Lulia | That's how |
| 22:49.06 | Lulia | You can, for instance, walk into Gilneas, but there's no NPCs there. |
| 22:49.21 | nevcairiel | do the ruins of gilneas ever have npcs? |
| 22:49.25 | foxlit | No. |
| 22:49.30 | nevcairiel | didnt think so |
| 22:49.42 | Amarande | ok, what's with this quest? |
| 22:49.53 | Amarande | it's the one where you get shot over to the boat via cannon in Swamp of Sorrows |
| 22:50.02 | Amarande | there's me, another alliance guy, and a horde guy all trying to do it and I'm not seeing ANY sign of the quest items |
| 22:50.12 | nevcairiel | the horde guy has them |
| 22:50.21 | nevcairiel | kill him |
| 22:51.09 | Amarande | ok, there's the porno. lol |
| 22:51.21 | Amarande | If only you could loot quest items from other players' corpses |
| 22:51.24 | Amarande | also, this isn't a PvP server |
| 22:54.05 | crazedfred | Amarande, that is an amazing idea |
| 22:54.24 | crazedfred | I demand that Blizz implement that, every collection quest is not a world PvP zone |
| 22:54.29 | crazedfred | *now |
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| 22:56.43 | Amarande | of course, it would only matter for quests that can be done by both factions, like this one |
| 22:57.12 | crazedfred | naw |
| 22:57.22 | crazedfred | grief other players to keep them from advancing |
| 22:57.52 | Amarande | also, one of the quests in Stratholme is just bad. the only way I can think of to fix it is that Banshee Essences HAVE to be made everyone-can-loot-from-mob-that-dropped-one |
| 22:58.39 | Amarande | I can see why they did it the way they did - the other way they would have done it would have been like that stupid scarabs quest in ZF where ranged basically never got to finish the quest because melee folks would take all the shells before the ranged got a chance |
| 22:58.56 | crazedfred | ^ |
| 22:59.00 | Amarande | but this is possibly even worse - whether or not you get to complete the quest depends entirely on the order in which mobs die. |
| 22:59.06 | Adys | !api unitpowertype |
| 22:59.07 | lua_bot | UnitPowerType: Returns the power type (energy, mana, rage) of the given unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitPowerType) |
| 22:59.18 | crazedfred | I never understood their idea of collection quests punishing groups |
| 22:59.28 | Amarande | In fact, a party could conceivably *grief* someone on that banshee quest |
| 22:59.43 | Amarande | by carefully arranging kill order so that the banshees never land on that person's loot, if they were coordinated and mean enough heh |
| 22:59.50 | Dagmar | You could also elect to not play with assholes. |
| 23:00.03 | Dagmar | I mean, that's the basic problem here. |
| 23:00.05 | crazedfred | that sounds like work |
| 23:00.09 | Amarande | however, the real issue is more that depending on luck in the order in which mobs die |
| 23:00.18 | Amarande | since most groups don't really pay attention to it, and the quest depends *entirely on it* |
| 23:00.28 | crazedfred | well Dagmar, it's also more collection quests being bad enough solo and somehow worse in groups |
| 23:00.46 | Lulia | jnwhiteh, it all works now :) |
| 23:00.46 | Amarande | you can possibly have to queue UD strat till you're blue in the face before you manage to get your 4 |
| 23:00.54 | crazedfred | Lulia: cool! |
| 23:00.56 | foxlit | Some quests are balanced around groups. |
| 23:00.59 | Dagmar | I've not seen any thta didn't have enough drops for everyone in the group to complete it on the first go in quite some time |
| 23:01.08 | foxlit | Others are now. Play accordingly? :) |
| 23:01.14 | foxlit | s/now/not/ |
| 23:01.16 | Amarande | I got 3/4 on my first run through. We'd almost killed ALL the banshees in UD Strat the second run through before I was lucky for one to be my loot. |
| 23:01.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: the banshee essence quest in UD Strath is one |
| 23:01.42 | Amarande | there are not 25 banshees in the dungeon, plus you can ONLY EVER loot an essence IF the banshee happens to die in the right order for you to be assigned loot |
| 23:01.52 | Lulia | Now I just need to figure out how to make it so that they can copy text without actually inputting into the editbox. But I'm sure FrameXML has an example :D |
| 23:01.56 | Dagmar | Oh well |
| 23:02.01 | Amarande | I'm not sure you even can if the person who is assigned loot is not on the quest |
| 23:02.03 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/PowerBars-MsgLog1.jpg |
| 23:02.08 | Dagmar | Have you submitted a ticket about it? |
| 23:02.09 | Lulia | That's a screenshot of what it looks like |
| 23:02.19 | Amarande | it's literally "wait for 4 banshees to die on your turn to loot" which is really a crappy quest design :) |
| 23:02.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: is "bad design" considered a ticketable bug? |
| 23:02.33 | Nobgul|Sleepies | that would be nice Lulia. Then i could just copy 800 lines and pste it and give u a link. |
| 23:02.44 | Amarande | I haven't seen any actual *bug* about it, I've only seen that it seems to be designed in a way that's just fail. :) |
| 23:02.50 | crazedfred | I liked the WotLK version of quests, where most were balanced for solo with occasional group quests, clearly marked |
| 23:02.51 | Lulia | It only shows 30 lines at a time, Nobgul ;) |
| 23:02.58 | Nobgul|Sleepies | Ah no good =P |
| 23:03.10 | Lulia | I still have to figure out how to work the scroll frame before I can add more |
| 23:03.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: also it seems we spoke too soon on those elemental items being gone |
| 23:03.25 | crazedfred | Isn't there a bugsplat or other addon that does what you want? |
| 23:03.26 | Lulia | Also, you're clearly not sleeping, Nobgul! |
| 23:03.27 | Dagmar | So submit a ticket or at least email bugs@blizzard.com or something instead of just standing around bitching about it |
| 23:03.31 | Amarande | They seem to be *rare* though. |
| 23:03.35 | Nobgul|Sleepies | =X you found me out! |
| 23:03.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: YOU spoke too soon |
| 23:03.39 | Fisker | farts |
| 23:03.40 | Lulia | No, crazedfred |
| 23:03.45 | crazedfred | k |
| 23:03.45 | Amarande | I got two hearts of fire off fire elementals on my way through SG to get to BS |
| 23:03.57 | Amarande | and ... during my entire travels in Burning Steppes, I got *one* essence of earth off an obsidian elemental |
| 23:04.02 | crazedfred | A generic "debug logging" addon would be pretty useful IMO |
| 23:04.07 | Lulia | It's not actual bugs. I have an internal message system in my addon which I use to give me information to help solve internal bugs. |
| 23:04.21 | Amarande | Dagmar, given how common the mats used to be, and the nature of the grey drops, it was a fairly logical conclusion to think. |
| 23:04.22 | Dagmar | Yes, I've been getting them from elementals inside instances, but outside instances I've only been seeing inert drops |
| 23:04.26 | crazedfred | Got a problem? Tell DebugLogger to log debug messages from Addon X, cause the issue, then copy-paste log |
| 23:04.33 | Lulia | So I can add messages at various spots in my code to show up in the message console |
| 23:04.35 | Dagmar | ...and I'm still not saying "OMG ALL THE DROPS R GONE" |
| 23:04.54 | Lulia | And when an error is thrown up, I can see all of the messages that happened just before the error and use that info to track bugs |
| 23:05.02 | Lulia | And internal error that is |
| 23:05.15 | Lulia | Not a WoW one, but one that I define as "the addon shouldnt be doing this" |
| 23:05.29 | Lulia | I'm also going to add filtering options and such to the msg console later |
| 23:05.45 | Lulia | But that's all gravy and not needed right now |
| 23:07.29 | crazedfred | Cool |
| 23:07.42 | crazedfred | Seems to me like an addon could be written expressly to handle stuff like that |
| 23:07.53 | crazedfred | Debug statements, filtering, copy-pasta |
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| 23:08.54 | Lulia | Possibly, if there's a demand for it. But most addon authors seem happy with the dev tool addons out there |
| 23:09.00 | crazedfred | Yea |
| 23:09.48 | Lulia | But I found a specific need for this, so I made it :) |
| 23:10.14 | Nobgul | Lulia, you chould add a scroll frame. and make it hold lots of lines lol |
| 23:10.19 | Dagmar | I'm going to stab wpa-supplicant in it's stupid face here in a minute |
| 23:10.49 | Lulia | It also helps me play with new stuff in my addon. When I added virtual eclipse, long before I actually started calculating it, I had to work on the Spell Table |
| 23:11.07 | Lulia | In order to make sure the Spell Table was functioning, I had a ton of print statements fire when stuff changed. |
| 23:11.17 | Lulia | With the message console I can just shoot the messages there |
| 23:14.39 | Lulia | I have so much commented out code right now |
| 23:14.47 | Lulia | It's gonna be fun clearing this up for release |
| 23:15.14 | Nobgul | Im gonna raid tommorow night 7:00 est time if you wanna watch the errors fly =P |
| 23:15.26 | Lulia | Well |
| 23:15.34 | Lulia | I'm throwing up an update right now Nobgul |
| 23:15.40 | Lulia | It has the new editbox version of the console |
| 23:15.45 | Lulia | So you can copy stuff and paste it |
| 23:15.47 | Nobgul | ok, ill grab it |
| 23:15.55 | Lulia | One sec, it's not up yet ;) |
| 23:16.11 | Lulia | It also will now empty the spelltable if that specific error we were tracking hits |
| 23:16.13 | crazedfred | If only WoW addons could have an external API - write an addon that Twitters whenever it fails! |
| 23:16.28 | crazedfred | tweet by crazedfred 8:00 AM: wiped on Hogger again |
| 23:16.42 | Nobgul | crazedfred: easily done |
| 23:16.47 | zenzelezz | someone did something like that |
| 23:17.01 | crazedfred | What, write to a text file and then external program to scan it periodically> |
| 23:17.02 | crazedfred | ? |
| 23:17.06 | Nobgul | yer |
| 23:17.08 | crazedfred | Haha |
| 23:17.09 | zenzelezz | no, you can't write to files like that |
| 23:17.15 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 23:17.23 | Nobgul | You sure can write to a saved var file. |
| 23:17.28 | crazedfred | .... well, variables can be saved... |
| 23:17.29 | crazedfred | yea |
| 23:17.29 | zenzelezz | that's different |
| 23:17.36 | crazedfred | um... how? hahaha |
| 23:17.41 | Nobgul | How so you just have to parse the file. |
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| 23:17.50 | crazedfred | you can write arbitrary data to a Lua table and save it, yes? |
| 23:17.52 | zenzelezz | because you have to trigger the reload to save it |
| 23:18.01 | Nobgul | Umm yer |
| 23:18.03 | Nobgul | ? |
| 23:18.09 | Lulia | Alright, uploaded Nobgul |
| 23:18.10 | crazedfred | ah, so just not real-time exactly. |
| 23:18.11 | Adys | 2970% casting speed ftw |
| 23:18.34 | Nobgul | already got it thanks |
| 23:18.44 | Maldivia | that should mkae about every spell instant, more or less... |
| 23:18.45 | Adys | Frostbolt 0.031 sec cast |
| 23:18.52 | Lulia | Should be 0.55e |
| 23:19.02 | Lulia | Well 0.55e alpha |
| 23:19.03 | Nobgul | yer i got it. |
| 23:19.05 | Nobgul | =) |
| 23:19.12 | Adys | evocation 0.14 sec :) |
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| 23:19.15 | Lulia | Did you test out the other new druid features? |
| 23:19.19 | airtonix | Fapbolt 0.002 sec cast |
| 23:19.22 | Lulia | I didnt get to test them out with spec changes |
| 23:19.27 | Nobgul | Lulia: Like what? |
| 23:19.33 | Maldivia | Adys: evocation doesn't make sense, it's channeled, so it should just get more and more ticks |
| 23:19.37 | Lulia | You can now have Eclipse be a vertical frame instead |
| 23:19.43 | Adys | Maldivia: nop |
| 23:19.53 | Lulia | And you can move around some of the individual elements of the frame |
| 23:19.56 | Adys | Maldivia: the duration is reduced, and it ticks faster |
| 23:19.59 | Lulia | Like where the Text boxes are located |
| 23:20.00 | Adys | Maldivia: same for blizzard |
| 23:20.10 | Lulia | But that should all be disabled if you're not balance spec |
| 23:20.16 | Maldivia | Adys: when did they change that? |
| 23:20.20 | crazedfred | Maldivia: I think you get the same number of ticks, just closer together |
| 23:20.21 | Nobgul | I saw you made a update yesterday i think. I didin;'t grab it though. I got the new alpha though. |
| 23:20.22 | zenzelezz | crazedfred: http://tweetcraft.codeplex.com/ |
| 23:20.25 | Adys | Maldivia: shrug |
| 23:20.29 | Lulia | Also, the class-specific options page should now only show options for your current class |
| 23:20.33 | crazedfred | zenzelezz: rofl |
| 23:20.48 | Lulia | And for druids it will only show options for your specific spec (aka only options shown are for Balance right now) |
| 23:20.57 | Maldivia | you used to get another tick when you had enough haste for it to fit in the original time |
| 23:21.15 | crazedfred | Maldivia: the problem with that is that if you need 50 haste to get another tick, 49 haste is useless |
| 23:21.24 | crazedfred | for that spell, anyway |
| 23:21.34 | Adys | i think you're confusing with t6 set bonus Maldivia |
| 23:21.40 | Maldivia | no no |
| 23:21.47 | Maldivia | I used to get 6 ticsk from evocate |
| 23:21.52 | Maldivia | with icy veins |
| 23:22.01 | crazedfred | We've always been at war with EurAsia *tinfoil hat* |
| 23:22.17 | Lulia | Well, if you get a chance, definitely play with the new stuff :) |
| 23:22.24 | Nobgul | I will later tonight. |
| 23:22.35 | Lulia | Everything that's in currently is all I plan on adding for this version. So now I just need to fix all the little bugs |
| 23:22.40 | Lulia | And clean up the code a little |
| 23:22.53 | Lulia | And then I'll release it and move on to v0.6 |
| 23:23.08 | Maldivia | Adys: but... how did you manage that haste value? |
| 23:23.13 | Lulia | Which is going to be a lot of additions for actual power bars, which I haven't touched really since I added them. |
| 23:23.17 | Adys | Maldivia: cookie! |
| 23:23.22 | Adys | 99 stacks :p |
| 23:23.29 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=89267 |
| 23:23.47 | Nobgul | Lulia: Now you should enable teams, and svn for your project =P |
| 23:23.50 | Maldivia | lol |
| 23:24.28 | Lulia | I dont kow how to work svns |
| 23:24.37 | Lulia | And I dont know anyone crazy enough to work with my ugly ass code ;) |
| 23:24.48 | crazedfred | hahaha |
| 23:24.49 | Nobgul | I looked at it. Its not bad. |
| 23:24.54 | crazedfred | SVN isn't that hard Lulia |
| 23:24.54 | Lulia | It's pretty ugly :P |
| 23:24.59 | Nobgul | I accually edited some in the last version. |
| 23:25.04 | crazedfred | I'm sure several of us could help you through it |
| 23:25.15 | crazedfred | And curseforge has pretty reasonable setup guide |
| 23:25.17 | Lulia | I downloaded TortiseSVN or whatever |
| 23:25.24 | Lulia | And couldn't figure it out |
| 23:25.26 | Nobgul | Ah your 1/2 way there then |
| 23:25.26 | crazedfred | trust me, in the long run it will make your life easier :) |
| 23:25.40 | Lulia | I just make backups of the files before I change them! |
| 23:25.41 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:25.45 | crazedfred | I have to run but somebody get him rolling on CurseForge :) |
| 23:25.50 | Nobgul | Lulia, If you want and have time tonight i can help ya with it. |
| 23:25.51 | crazedfred | TTYL folks |
| 23:25.58 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 23:26.05 | Nobgul | use our svn =P |
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| 23:26.29 | Lulia | As opposed to the one I downloaded? |
| 23:26.30 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:26.43 | Lulia | That I dont know how to work, mind you |
| 23:27.55 | Lulia | I figure an external svn will help me better coordinate with both Curseforge and WoWInterface, but then I couldn't figure it out anyways :P |
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| 23:28.06 | Nobgul | Yea i use our svn |
| 23:30.00 | foxlit | "Creates a cauldron that raid members can use to gain the benefit of a flask appropriate to their class and talents. Cauldron has 17 uses and lasts for 5 min." |
| 23:30.27 | Lulia | 17 seems a rather arbitrary number |
| 23:30.42 | foxlit | But hey, flasks are the new fish feasts. |
| 23:30.52 | zenzelezz | that's not true |
| 23:30.53 | Nobgul | it is a very weird number. |
| 23:30.59 | zenzelezz | you can't place flasks in patterns on the ground |
| 23:31.09 | foxlit | er. sorry. |
| 23:31.14 | foxlit | Flasks are the new food buffs? |
| 23:31.22 | zenzelezz | that I agree with |
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| 23:31.48 | Lulia | Like 10 or 25 would make sense |
| 23:31.50 | Lulia | why 17? |
| 23:32.05 | zenzelezz | it's a compromise, roughly half-way between 10 and 25 |
| 23:32.22 | Lulia | so in 10 you have more than you need and in 25 you dont have enough? :P |
| 23:32.39 | zenzelezz | I'm just talking shit, you'll get used to it ;) |
| 23:32.40 | Nobgul | Before you talk about the ammount did you see the mats? |
| 23:32.41 | foxlit | maybe they'll patch it, anyway. There go flask profits? :) |
| 23:32.50 | Lulia | Nope, Nobgul |
| 23:33.01 | Lulia | I think it's awesome either way, just dont know why they chose 17 |
| 23:33.07 | foxlit | oh, hah. 12 flasks become 17, basically. |
| 23:33.13 | Nobgul | heeh |
| 23:33.14 | Nobgul | Yea |
| 23:33.19 | Nobgul | the mats are crazy as hell |
| 23:33.35 | foxlit | free flasks aren't crazy? :) |
| 23:33.37 | Lulia | But some will end up being wasted :-/ |
| 23:34.08 | Lulia | I'd rather just make 10 flasks and give one to each person |
| 23:34.10 | zenzelezz | are the mats crazy for one person, or for a guild? I could see a guild effort in farming them |
| 23:34.33 | foxlit | zenzelezz: the mats are *sane* |
| 23:34.33 | Lulia | equivalent of 12 flasks, Zen |
| 23:34.33 | foxlit | If anything, they're generous :) |
| 23:34.56 | zenzelezz | cool |
| 23:35.02 | Lulia | So if a flask takes 2 of HerbA and 3 of HerbB then for the cauldron you need 24 of HerbA and 36 of HerBB |
| 23:35.18 | Nobgul | Lulia: I am with you on the just sell them / give out. |
| 23:35.39 | Nobgul | Esp at the start when they will be higly farmed herbs and expensive in the ah. |
| 23:35.52 | Lulia | But if there's only 10 people in the raid, I'd probably just get 20 of HerbA and 30 of HerbB |
| 23:35.59 | Lulia | And make the appropriate flasks |
| 23:36.05 | foxlit | meh |
| 23:36.33 | foxlit | Here's the scenario: four people brought appropriate flasks to the raid. With an alchemist, you get three free flasks? :) |
| 23:37.08 | Lulia | Hmm? |
| 23:37.33 | foxlit | okay, five and two, respectively. |
| 23:38.21 | foxlit | But basically, you get more flask buffs out than you put flask items in, which is basically free stuff. |
| 23:38.28 | Lulia | But if the cauldron disappears/doesnt travel with you, those extra flags aren't needed |
| 23:38.36 | Lulia | flasks* |
| 23:38.58 | foxlit | It's like a fish feast, yeah? |
| 23:39.17 | Lulia | I remember a fish feast feeding at least 25 |
| 23:39.42 | Dagmar | It feeds as many people as click on it in yer raid |
| 23:39.44 | foxlit | Why care about the number, though? :) |
| 23:39.58 | Dagmar | I've made bunches of the things. |
| 23:40.15 | Lulia | Because, if you use it in a 25 man, you can't give one to everyone. And if you use it in a 10 man, at least 7 will always be wasted. |
| 23:40.18 | Dagmar | Me and those penguins on the ice flow send each other cards on the holidays. |
| 23:40.37 | Lulia | And since it costs the effective mats of 12, that's the mats on 2 flasks you'll save by simply making the flasks individually |
| 23:40.53 | foxlit | Lulia: you're disregarding the 7-person variant |
| 23:41.10 | Lulia | Which is? |
| 23:41.24 | foxlit | 5 flasks for a 7-flask cauldron. |
| 23:41.54 | Lulia | But that has to assume some of your raid members are prepared and some aren't. |
| 23:42.22 | Lulia | If I'm in a guild, I assume they're prepared, if I'm pugging I can't assume anyone is prepared. |
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| 23:42.33 | foxlit | That's nice, but you break even at 2 cauldrons anyway |
| 23:42.48 | Lulia | Why not have an 8 flask cost for 10 and a 21 for 25 |
| 23:42.52 | Lulia | Or something like that |
| 23:43.22 | foxlit | With the added bonus that you don't have to worry about flask types. This will be used, anyway :) |
| 23:43.49 | Lulia | Oh, I'm sure it will be. I just don't see the reason behind their number choice |
| 23:44.09 | foxlit | Yeah, dunno. |
| 23:44.18 | Dagmar | Entertainment value. |
| 23:44.29 | foxlit | Playing musical chairs with cauldrons? |
| 23:44.41 | Dagmar | Any combination is going to screw over someone, or make someone complain. |
| 23:44.45 | Lulia | "Ha ha! You didn't click fast enough!" |
| 23:44.49 | Lulia | Not really, Dagmar |
| 23:44.55 | Dagmar | Nonsense. |
| 23:44.58 | Lulia | 8-10 and 21-25 would be fine |
| 23:45.00 | Dagmar | Just look at Amarande. |
| 23:45.01 | Lulia | It covers the full raid |
| 23:45.08 | foxlit | Dagmar: can't :( |
| 23:45.16 | Dagmar | Yeah because everyone in the raid needs an attack power flask. |
| 23:45.24 | xqo | is anything happening with races or racials? |
| 23:46.00 | Lulia | Dagmar, it's individualized between spec and class |
| 23:46.06 | Lulia | So one cauldron covers all types |
| 23:46.26 | Dagmar | They added [Cauldron of Leetness]? |
| 23:47.05 | Lulia | Dunno, but supposedly it's being talked about. |
| 23:47.50 | Nobgul | But the smaller cauldren has 7 charges and only uses 1 of each flask to create. |
| 23:47.57 | Nobgul | You would be better off dropping 2 of those |
| 23:48.20 | Dagmar | Deathblood venom is free? |
| 23:48.36 | Dagmar | It requires 8 of those |
| 23:48.51 | Nobgul | Yer |
| 23:49.44 | Dagmar | Either way, they're handing you a few free flasks, and the ability to not have to hand them out to people and thusly know which people suck so hard they a) didn't bring their own flasks and b) need flasks to keep up |
| 23:50.07 | Lulia | Yes, the value is undeniably positive |
| 23:50.20 | Lulia | I don't have an ISSUE with it. I'm just curious as to why they chose those numbers. |
| 23:50.34 | Lulia | Since they seem arbitrary |
| 23:50.56 | Dagmar | Probably assuming that out of 25 people you won't be the only alchemist |
| 23:51.02 | Nobgul | You can't multi click it yourself i don't think |
| 23:51.02 | Dagmar | ...which is reasonable. |
| 23:51.32 | Dagmar | Plus, if it covered 25 people, then you'd wind up "wasting" potions if people already drank their own |
| 23:51.44 | Lulia | But you wind up wasting them by dropping 2 |
| 23:51.47 | Lulia | no matter what |
| 23:51.48 | Dagmar | ...which would likely lead to folks expecting hte alchemist to bring potions, etc etc |
| 23:51.56 | Lulia | Whereas if you make it for 25 people, the wasting isn't a given |
| 23:52.21 | Nobgul | Someone on wowhead pointed out you drop a reg one and the big one covers 24 people. |
| 23:52.46 | Nobgul | 17 +7 = 24 and the alch won't need to use them anymore |
| 23:52.58 | Nobgul | Still weird numbers lol |
| 23:54.27 | Lulia | Yeah, cause in a 10 man it will only cover 8 if you assume the alchemist doesnt need one |
| 23:54.39 | Lulia | But I guess that's why they chose the number then |
| 23:55.22 | Dagmar | The raid leader can bring his own damn drinks |
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| 23:56.23 | Lulia | Okay, so 9 |
| 23:56.24 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:56.31 | Lulia | Assuming your raid leader isn't the alchemist |
| 23:59.50 | cbreak | hmm :/ my router is too slow to saturate downstream of my internet connection with QoS rules :/ |
