| 00:00.09 | Dagmar | Not even rule 34 is safe from them. |
| 00:00.49 | Wobin | cogwheel: CMW? |
| 00:01.05 | cogwheel | look at the title once more ;) |
| 00:01.14 | cogwheel | (at the end of the intro) |
| 00:01.18 | Wobin | ah =) |
| 00:02.13 | Wobin | does anyone use Outlook 2003? |
| 00:02.20 | Wobin | (it's a long shot, I know) |
| 00:03.03 | cogwheel | does having used it previously count? |
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| 00:03.18 | Wobin | unless you still have access to it, no |
| 00:05.46 | cogwheel | actually i do... apparently it's still on one of my work computers |
| 00:06.09 | Kraps | my god wow is beauriful |
| 00:06.43 | Kraps | i'm at the tainted forest in blasted lands |
| 00:07.14 | cogwheel | Wobin: ^ |
| 00:07.31 | Wobin | cogwheel: ooh |
| 00:07.39 | Wobin | can I send you an ics file and get you to try to open it? |
| 00:08.06 | Dagmar | lol |
| 00:08.13 | Kraps | and putting water effects on ultra doesnt cause framerate issues anymore |
| 00:08.33 | Jerub | so i finished the northern barrens last night |
| 00:08.51 | Jerub | ended up as level 26 at the end of it tho :P |
| 00:08.59 | Jerub | (i may've done some dungeons and used heirlooms) |
| 00:10.16 | Jerub | fuck. |
| 00:10.18 | Jerub | they found us out. |
| 00:10.19 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.30 | Jerub | i was pulling 5k single target last week on my bear |
| 00:11.56 | Wobin | Kraps: I found the Mage quarter really pretty with the new lawn graphics |
| 00:12.40 | Kraps | Wobin: i think contrast is much better all over |
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| 00:17.28 | bluspacecow | poop - i has to go into the bank today :( which means get dressed on my day off :( |
| 00:18.20 | Jerub | new org is cool |
| 00:18.26 | Jerub | took me a while to figure out my way around |
| 00:18.40 | Jerub | after i realised all the vendors in the drag are basically in the same place, i was okay with it :) |
| 00:19.03 | cogwheel | ditto |
| 00:19.31 | cogwheel | bluspacecow: you have my condolences... |
| 00:20.43 | Jerub | so. level 26 tauren paladin, what zone should i hit next? |
| 00:21.08 | Dagmar | Zul'drak. |
| 00:21.12 | Cide1 | every zone |
| 00:21.14 | Jerub | ideally, i want to start there when the quests are hard but i can still pick them up - i'm going to have a friend along. |
| 00:21.14 | Kraps | go to the new board in org |
| 00:21.23 | Jerub | Cide1: tempting! i was thinking about doing loremaster. |
| 00:21.32 | Dagmar | The hero boards weren't doing anything last night |
| 00:21.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: i picked up quests from there to go various places last night |
| 00:22.11 | Kraps | Dagmar: for 80s they wont |
| 00:22.18 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 00:22.36 | Dagmar | so they're a "in case you were too stoned to rememeber where you were questing last night" feature |
| 00:22.48 | Kraps | i guess? |
| 00:22.49 | Kraps | :p |
| 00:22.54 | Jerub | Dagmar: well, not really. it's so easy to out-level a zone while questing. |
| 00:23.02 | cogwheel | Legorol: my laptop records minecraft about 5 times faster than my desktop, but my usb microphone produces a 60 hz hum on the laptop whenever it's plugged into the wall ... i have to record video on one and audio on the other for the best results >< |
| 00:23.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: or if you're questing, then hit 2 dungeons in a row, you're sudddenly 4 levels higher. |
| 00:23.12 | Jerub | (new dungeon quests = so much free xp) |
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| 00:23.28 | Cide1 | cogwheel: your real issue is that your laptop records 5 times faster than your desktop |
| 00:23.36 | Jerub | cogwheel: usb headset with mic, that'll have no hum. |
| 00:23.40 | cogwheel | yes. i'm holding out for sandybridge |
| 00:23.45 | cogwheel | Jerub: that's what it is |
| 00:23.49 | Kraps | yeah cog wtf is up with that |
| 00:23.54 | cogwheel | Kraps: i know, right? |
| 00:24.01 | cogwheel | it's only when the laptop is plugged into the wall |
| 00:24.07 | cogwheel | and it also happens when i use a usb hub |
| 00:24.09 | cogwheel | (powered) |
| 00:24.11 | Dagmar | You need to get an electrician on that |
| 00:24.16 | cogwheel | but it doesn't happen on my desktop |
| 00:24.17 | Kraps | lol |
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| 00:24.44 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i was going to bug Shirik but i'm too lazy... i can't imagine how it's happening like that... then again my desktop is getting its power from a UPS |
| 00:24.58 | Dagmar | ...which is likely cleaning that up for you |
| 00:24.58 | Jerub | cogwheel: your laptop probably has a common ground through the chasis that the built in sound card is using. |
| 00:25.11 | Jerub | cogwheel: and it's not being properly isolated for interference. |
| 00:25.38 | Jerub | unless you're talking about the gobs of free xp for doing the new dungeons. |
| 00:26.14 | cogwheel | but shouldn't the internal sound card be entirely bypassed since it's a digital mic? |
| 00:26.18 | Dagmar | Just so we're clear, there are no "new" dungeons at that level, right? |
| 00:26.21 | cogwheel | its own device... |
| 00:26.45 | Dagmar | 60hz hum saz "I has a grounding fault" |
| 00:26.49 | Dagmar | Maybe drop a totem on it |
| 00:26.57 | Dagmar | ba-dum tssh |
| 00:27.13 | Jerub | Dagmar: no, they're revamped though |
| 00:27.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: new maps, they're changed and retextured, and bosses have been moved/added/removed. |
| 00:27.46 | Dagmar | I'm gonna molest about half of EK tonight once I get home |
| 00:27.49 | Jerub | Dagmar: have you seen the new dungeon quest system? |
| 00:27.57 | Dagmar | Hadda work today so I didn't have time to really medddle with much last ight |
| 00:27.59 | Dagmar | er night |
| 00:28.34 | Dagmar | jerub: Hopefully Marudon will no longer be such a hateful piece of crap |
| 00:28.37 | Jerub | Dagmar: you know how when you join a dungeon someone shares a quest with you because they happened to be questing in the right area, and then afterwards you end up with a quest to hand in in a zone where you dont' have a FP? |
| 00:28.55 | bluspacecow | yeah well they've given me this credit card ..... but they haven't provided a way of easily paying it by depositing money into a bank online somehow |
| 00:28.57 | cogwheel | Dagmar: the outlets were tested during the inspection |
| 00:29.04 | Dagmar | Not in years, but I understand the concept in the abstract |
| 00:29.08 | Jerub | Dagmar: now there are questgivers inside the instance, and all handins are either the auto-matic 'click here to hand in' ones, or the questgivers follow you around. |
| 00:29.35 | Dagmar | Follow you around? THat should be interesting. |
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| 00:29.45 | Dagmar | I wonder if they point and laugh when you wipe from being careless |
| 00:29.49 | Jerub | Dagmar: like in SFK there's that guy who opens the door for you at the start? |
| 00:29.54 | Jerub | he turns up after each boss now. |
| 00:30.11 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 00:30.41 | Dagmar | I'll just do a shot after each boss. |
| 00:30.45 | TC-Work | Kraps: ping |
| 00:30.45 | Cide1 | and steals all the loot 1% of the time |
| 00:30.52 | Kraps | TC-Work: yo |
| 00:31.12 | TC-Work | Kraps: you giving yourself a money limit for this weekend? |
| 00:31.21 | Kraps | lulz |
| 00:31.30 | Cide1 | nowaiii |
| 00:31.34 | Kraps | i dont know the meaning of that |
| 00:31.40 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 00:31.45 | Cide1 | http://store.steampowered.org |
| 00:31.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: if you have a chance today, do deadmines |
| 00:31.53 | Jerub | it's a totally awesome instance now |
| 00:31.58 | Cide1 | so is ST |
| 00:32.01 | Cide1 | for the first time ever |
| 00:32.14 | Wobin | what level range is VC now? |
| 00:32.26 | Cide1 | van cleef has a specific level |
| 00:32.28 | Cide1 | not a level range |
| 00:32.32 | Dagmar | I was acutally planning on starting at Stormwind and sort of running a counter-clockwise sweep |
| 00:32.37 | Dagmar | :) |
| 00:32.39 | Cide1 | do not ever call deadmines "VC" |
| 00:32.42 | cogwheel | Dagmar: the behavior is teh same when i plug it into my ups. Just retested grounding in the outlet and it's fine. |
| 00:32.51 | Wobin | Have we destroyed Dire Maul completely then? =P |
| 00:32.58 | bluspacecow | @Dagmar "I wonder if they point and laugh when you wipe from being careless" = what like mystery science theater for PUGs ? |
| 00:33.00 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Ouch. Knackered gear then |
| 00:33.07 | Cide1 | who runs DM again? |
| 00:33.08 | bluspacecow | "this tank blows" *throws popcorn at screen* |
| 00:33.15 | Dagmar | bluspacecow :That would really be hilarious |
| 00:33.16 | Wobin | DM is pretty awesome for thorium |
| 00:33.31 | Wobin | you get at least four rich thorium nodes each run |
| 00:33.43 | Dagmar | Ah so they dinged a bit too then |
| 00:33.51 | Wobin | also the shield you get from the quest is pretty decent for that level |
| 00:34.03 | Dagmar | That's good because I think I pretty much have the "Four pulls and done" thing down in there |
| 00:34.14 | Jerub | bluspacecow: this should be an addon |
| 00:34.29 | Jerub | bluspacecow: in fact, there should be rifftracks for tankspot vidoes. |
| 00:34.46 | Nobgul | lol |
| 00:35.31 | Nobgul | Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 1371kb/s ¤ Current Upstream: 54.32kb/s) |
| 00:35.35 | Nobgul | blarg |
| 00:35.42 | KarlKFI | Dragon Age Origens ultimate edition (orig + exp + 9 DLCs) is $25 on Impulse right now if you don't already have it. definitely worth it if you like fantasy RPGs |
| 00:36.07 | Wobin | Impulse? |
| 00:36.11 | Nobgul | KarlKFI: Not bad at all |
| 00:36.13 | KarlKFI | a Steam competitor |
| 00:36.19 | Dagmar | A lot of those DLCs are crap |
| 00:36.25 | Dagmar | ...which is sad |
| 00:36.26 | Cide1 | doesn't make the game any less awesome |
| 00:36.47 | KarlKFI | the DLCs weren't neccissarily worth the orig price, but they weren't all crap |
| 00:36.59 | Dagmar | Feels dirty to even pay for a full-priced "DLC" that's basically a small pile of cheaty items |
| 00:37.40 | Nobgul | Speaking of games other then WoW. I found the devlopers console on FallOut New Vegas. Deff makes it a bit more fun =P |
| 00:38.09 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:38.26 | KarlKFI | Deus Ex is $2.50 on steam too. |
| 00:38.29 | Wobin | KarlKFI: damn, not available in australia |
| 00:38.32 | Wobin | for the DA |
| 00:38.36 | Cide1 | lololololol |
| 00:38.48 | Nobgul | Just lie and say your in the us. |
| 00:39.00 | KarlKFI | you can get a US friend to buy it with your paypal prolly and gift it to you |
| 00:39.41 | Wobin | It probably works off some IP checking for region |
| 00:39.42 | KarlKFI | or rather, send them money via paypal. you cant actually use someone elses paypal without a password these days |
| 00:40.13 | Jerub | is the GTS450 a good card? |
| 00:40.20 | Jerub | i'm seein ghtem on the local discount retailer for $130 |
| 00:40.38 | Cide1 | or you can just use a proxy |
| 00:40.40 | Cide1 | to buy it |
| 00:40.48 | KarlKFI | i have a 460 i got for that price Jerub |
| 00:40.55 | Jerub | KarlKFI: AUD |
| 00:40.56 | bluspacecow | USD jerub ? |
| 00:41.18 | Jerub | but the AUD is at parity, so it's just shipping |
| 00:42.27 | KarlKFI | my 460 is pretty good, but it really depends what you want it for and how much money you want to spend |
| 00:42.27 | Dagmar | Jerub: Spend the extra $20 and get a 460, man |
| 00:42.41 | KarlKFI | ya i'd recommend a 460 over a 450 |
| 00:42.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: from australian retailers, it's a $100 difference. |
| 00:43.00 | KarlKFI | you're looking at the 1gb 460 cards |
| 00:43.03 | bluspacecow | "you can get the GTX 460 for $149 after a mail-in rebate on newegg right now" <--- from asking on #wowtech |
| 00:43.23 | bluspacecow | thats USD tho |
| 00:43.24 | Jerub | bluspacecow: newegg only ships to USA |
| 00:43.30 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 00:44.11 | KarlKFI | the 768MB is a decent way to save money on the 460 |
| 00:44.34 | KarlKFI | you dont need the 1GB unless you play on a 30" rly |
| 00:44.35 | Jerub | KarlKFI: i'm looking at the 2gb being $20 more than the 1gb ... |
| 00:45.08 | KarlKFI | the only game i'm playing right now that could use the extra mem is civ5 |
| 00:45.39 | KarlKFI | but getting 2GB on a <$200 card right now seems silly |
| 00:46.02 | Dagmar | Most things don't need 1Gb |
| 00:46.09 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 00:47.12 | KarlKFI | ymmv, but anandtech reviewed them both and said the difference between 768 and 1gb was negligible on anything less than full 30" res |
| 00:47.48 | KarlKFI | otoh if you're powering a 2nd screen it might matter |
| 00:49.19 | Dagmar | S'all about teh pixelcountz |
| 00:50.20 | Dagmar | WoW rocks out here on 512mb video ram on my 9800 _with_ two screens. One 1680x1050 and the other 1920x1080 |
| 00:50.53 | Jerub | i'm on a .. 6800? |
| 00:50.57 | Jerub | with i think, 1gb of ram. |
| 00:51.02 | Jerub | i get 20-30fps |
| 00:51.07 | Jerub | on a good day, with detail down |
| 00:51.37 | Dagmar | I should look more closely at my card |
| 00:52.03 | Dagmar | It might have more than 512Mb on it. I just realized at the time I just grabbed it off the shelf because I was replacing a blown 8800 |
| 00:52.18 | KarlKFI | wow runs with playable fps maxed settings on my 768mb 460 at full 30" res |
| 00:52.29 | Jerub | oh, does everyone remember the bastard harpy quests in the barrens? |
| 00:52.33 | Wobin | yes? |
| 00:52.40 | Dagmar | Sort of |
| 00:52.41 | KarlKFI | i have an 8800 running my other 2 screens |
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| 00:53.04 | Wobin | actually only vaugely |
| 00:53.12 | Wobin | where were the harpies? |
| 00:53.20 | Wobin | I remember them in 10k needles |
| 00:53.23 | Jerub | north west. |
| 00:53.29 | Wobin | and durotar |
| 00:53.36 | Dagmar | My bad. The 9800 has 768Mb on it |
| 00:53.41 | Wobin | where the mine is? |
| 00:53.57 | Jerub | you had to go kill 8, then go back and get insignia from them, then go back and kill more (behind the front lines) then go back and kill the bad ones at the back, then go back and kill the boss. |
| 00:54.17 | Dagmar | Yay running back and forth... not |
| 00:54.30 | tekkub | yea they made so many quests like that better |
| 00:54.48 | Jerub | i just wanted to mention that to get the achievement for nothern barrens, you can quest out the other zones, then you have to hand in the quest to talk to the harpy killer, then kill just one set, and that's dead on 70 |
| 00:55.08 | tekkub | like instaed of "Kill 5 of the whatever shaman and 5 of the whatever rangers and 5 of the whatever assfuckers" it's now just "kill 15 whatevers" |
| 00:55.18 | KarlKFI | i got http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX460-PCIE2-GV-N460OC-768I/dp/B003UUEOPO/ |
| 00:55.21 | Jerub | tekkub: have you seen the quest continuation stuff? |
| 00:55.32 | KarlKFI | 1bg version: http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GTX460-1-2DVI-I-GV-N460OC-1GI/dp/B003UUEOPE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1290646524&sr=8-1 |
| 00:55.33 | tekkub | whatcha mean? |
| 00:55.34 | Jerub | tekkub: now you can /hand in/ the quest /in the field/ and do the continuation. |
| 00:55.46 | tekkub | oh I've not hit one of those yet |
| 00:55.47 | Jerub | the quests for the pirates south of ratchet were epicly fun |
| 00:55.57 | tekkub | I did see the auto-accept quests on beta |
| 00:56.01 | Jerub | tekkub: "Click here to hand in" appears on the right side of the screen. |
| 00:56.30 | tekkub | hopefully they made all dungeon quests where the NPCs don't come to the end, like that |
| 00:56.36 | Jerub | it makes those ones like "find hte caravan" quests flow better. you find the caravan, then you get a followup quest to follow the tracks, without having to have an npc or item to click on to get the followup from |
| 00:56.45 | tekkub | I did strat live and the questgivers come to the end room when you clear it |
| 00:56.49 | Jerub | tekkub: there's several dungeons that are like that already. |
| 00:56.55 | tekkub | and there's argents fighting the undead packs on your way out |
| 00:56.59 | Jerub | tekkub: deadmines and SFK had those |
| 00:57.23 | Jerub | SFK also had the questgiver follow you |
| 00:57.31 | Jerub | deadmines had teleporters (!?) |
| 00:57.39 | Dagmar | So... before I waste an absolute *assload* of time on it, did they close off *all* the ways to climb up to the Ironforge airport? |
| 00:57.57 | tekkub | uh, there's a flight up there now |
| 00:58.08 | tekkub | or at least a flight back |
| 00:58.09 | Dagmar | Yeah but it's not a FP you just get handed to you |
| 00:58.13 | tekkub | so there must be one going up |
| 00:58.30 | tekkub | so go do the quests that lead in! |
| 00:58.42 | Dagmar | That's a possiblity |
| 00:59.01 | Dagmar | I'm just used to spending about 2-3 hours poking around to find a new way up there when I wanna go |
| 00:59.23 | Dagmar | Somewhere around here I've got screenshots of mah dwarf at the mountain's peak |
| 01:02.43 | kd3 | hell, it was downright easy for a long time. one jump behind a tree in loch modan and you're in |
| 01:02.49 | kd3 | used to lead tours |
| 01:03.07 | Dagmar | Yeah the last time I was looking for a way up, I noticed they had a _invisible block_ installed |
| 01:03.10 | Dagmar | Weeeak. |
| 01:03.42 | Dagmar | I thought it was funny to stumble across the temporary teleport spot used in the old mage epic quests tho |
| 01:03.50 | Dagmar | Someone-or-other's Refuge |
| 01:05.14 | zenzelezz | which zone? |
| 01:05.45 | Dagmar | Refuge or hideout... It's been like five years |
| 01:06.05 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: hidden in the mountains to the east of Ironforge |
| 01:06.10 | TC-Work | i think i need to cut someone |
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| 01:06.16 | zenzelezz | oh, then it's not what I was thinking of |
| 01:06.23 | Jerub | TC-Work: here, take my spoon |
| 01:06.39 | TC-Work | Jerub: it needs to be rusty and wooden |
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| 01:07.06 | Dagmar | Ortell's Hideout I *think* |
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| 02:01.39 | dardack_home | sigh dominos nor move anything is moving the leave vehicle button now |
| 02:04.03 | Thunder_Child | bt4 does, but thats because it's its own |
| 02:09.34 | Dagmar | Macaroon does |
| 02:10.40 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i think wowuidev needs to start pooling resources for games |
| 02:13.11 | Dagmar | You can have my fish from Vindictus. |
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| 02:23.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: have you noticed memory leakage with lightroom? |
| 02:23.47 | Zasurus | Yey! I fixed my damn water gfx problem! :D |
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| 02:54.48 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/296/ you save 1 cent by buying them individually |
| 02:56.14 | Arrowmaster | i already have them from last years Eidos collection sale during christmas |
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| 03:01.58 | Dewin | I don't like how the beta uninstaller just says "Do you want to uninstall World of Warcraft?" |
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| 03:06.53 | Dagmar | Yeah I pretty much don't uninstall the PTR client because of tat |
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| 03:11.23 | kd3 | so just delete the beta folder? |
| 03:11.32 | Thunder_Child | awesome, my "internet security settings" wont let a file be run from a disk in my drive |
| 03:12.47 | Dagmar | ...It knows you downloaded it from some shifty interwebs site |
| 03:13.55 | Legorol | X53 touring rocket... legal way to buy gold? Discuss. |
| 03:14.20 | Jerub | Legorol: i see it as that, but it's very hard to seem legit to nubs on trae. |
| 03:14.22 | Jerub | er trade. |
| 03:14.42 | Legorol | well I think it's technically illegal.. it's a circumstantial way of buying gold |
| 03:14.43 | Legorol | dodgy |
| 03:14.51 | Legorol | but very hard/impossible to police |
| 03:15.06 | Legorol | having said that |
| 03:15.15 | Legorol | proper gold buying would be just as hard to track, yet it's being done |
| 03:15.19 | Legorol | so i guess i shouldn't worry about it |
| 03:15.24 | Jerub | i would never do it, as either a buyer or seller, because of the risk of being ripped off |
| 03:18.59 | cogwheel | anyone know of a program for win 7 that can send the sound from one computer to another over the network? |
| 03:21.16 | Thunder_Child | a free one? |
| 03:21.20 | cogwheel | yar |
| 03:21.38 | Mirrormn_ | I don;t know if VAC can do it but I wouldn't be surprised |
| 03:21.41 | Thunder_Child | http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ |
| 03:21.54 | Mirrormn_ | and yar, VLC ftw |
| 03:22.35 | Mirrormn_ | but that requires the thing you want to stream to be in a file |
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| 03:25.41 | cogwheel | s/headphones/headset mic/ |
| 03:25.48 | cogwheel | or something |
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| 03:48.44 | Kraps | so is deus ex really that good? |
| 03:48.56 | Arrowmaster | the first one is |
| 03:58.14 | Nobgul | UGH bored as all hell |
| 04:00.22 | nicoli_s | the new deus ex looks killer |
| 04:01.07 | Napoleone | deus ex is like a MDK modern? |
| 04:02.28 | Arrowmaster | i never finished the sequel because i thought they murdered it by turning it into a console game |
| 04:02.29 | Napoleone | the new kalimdor loading picture with the Nelf looks hawt, but me thinks its too bad for the ugly lips |
| 04:02.43 | Arrowmaster | even the pc version sucked because of the changes they made for consoles |
| 04:02.45 | Xyphoid | the belf leader looks hilarious |
| 04:02.51 | Kraps | Alpha Protocol any good? |
| 04:02.58 | Napoleone | yay go blizz for buggin out druids AGAIN ;P |
| 04:02.58 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 04:03.17 | Napoleone | be boomkin and try to mount up.. it doesnt know how to unform you lol |
| 04:04.03 | Xyphoid | i always figured that the ingame model proportions weren't actually supposed to be realistic, and that for non-ingame-art you'd want to tone down ear and eyebrow size |
| 04:04.05 | Xyphoid | but no |
| 04:04.58 | Nobgul | Napoleone: that is driving me nutz |
| 04:05.15 | Nobgul | I had to make a macro for a mount >_< |
| 04:05.30 | Napoleone | lol |
| 04:06.07 | Nobgul | I don't understand how hard it is to hard code the transform then mount >_< |
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| 04:06.54 | Napoleone | is the bridge from arati destroyed? to dun? |
| 04:07.11 | Nobgul | I think someone had said something about it yesterday |
| 04:07.21 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 04:07.33 | Napoleone | and from khadgar to dun morogh is a hugecrater dam |
| 04:07.53 | Dagmar | Napoleone: You mean the Thandol Span? |
| 04:07.58 | Napoleone | ye |
| 04:08.02 | Dagmar | That was broken a loooong damn time ago |
| 04:08.05 | Napoleone | i need to get to if as a horde ;P |
| 04:08.08 | Nobgul | The bridge that only has 1 lane |
| 04:08.21 | Napoleone | lol seems like redridge bridge FINALLY GOT DONE |
| 04:08.31 | Napoleone | is it still able to cross? |
| 04:08.44 | Dagmar | Only if a duck helps |
| 04:18.05 | dardack_home | yawn |
| 04:19.37 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 04:19.53 | Kraps | whats a good story-driven game on steam? |
| 04:20.07 | Nobgul | err |
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| 04:23.20 | Dagmar | Kraps: "Where the hell's Episode 3?" |
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| 04:23.28 | Kraps | heh |
| 04:23.34 | Amarande | They fix the pitbull Dungeon Finder replacements bug yet? |
| 04:23.41 | Dagmar | No idea when that game ends tho |
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| 04:24.11 | Jerub | Kraps: fallout 1+2 |
| 04:24.11 | Amarande | You have to /console reloadui EVERY TIME you get a dungeon finder replacement, or all your party members are wrong |
| 04:24.13 | Jerub | Kraps: gog.com |
| 04:24.40 | Dagmar | How is that any different from their usual level of wrong? |
| 04:24.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: I mean, the unit frame shows the wrong people entirely. |
| 04:25.01 | Jerub | giggles. |
| 04:25.15 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 04:25.17 | Jerub | i'm still waiting for someone to publish a way to fix the built in raid frames properly. |
| 04:25.20 | Amarande | also, is running out of a dungeon to avoid death during a wipe bugged now too? |
| 04:25.33 | Amarande | we're having issues where mobs don't reset when someone makes it out instead of taking the repair bill |
| 04:26.05 | Nobgul | Err brain fart. Whats the lua for sending text to the chat frame? Like when a addon loads? |
| 04:26.37 | Amarande | seems like 4.0.3a broke a fair bit of UI stuff unexpectedly |
| 04:26.55 | Amarande | Gatherer and such needing an update, that I expected. Unit frames showing the wrong people every time people join/leave a Dungeon Finder party? That I didn't. |
| 04:26.56 | Nobgul | Anyone 0_o |
| 04:27.11 | Nobgul | nvm its print |
| 04:27.26 | Amarande | Guess I get to install Curse Client again and actually have to update addons each time a new addon version or any patch is out *sigh* |
| 04:28.07 | Jerub | dbm nagged me when i did SFK that they didn't have enough logs for the instance and asked me to start chatlogs and email them in. |
| 04:29.44 | Amarande | Jerub, you use DBM for lower level instances now? :) |
| 04:29.50 | Amarande | I only ever used it in Northrend |
| 04:29.59 | Jerub | Amarande: it was running |
| 04:31.09 | Jerub | the irony is that it's not running on my primary raiding toon. |
| 04:32.10 | Amarande | anyway, is it simply not practical to run a highly modded UI with the way Blizzard keeps changing things in updates without running curse client? |
| 04:32.58 | Xyphoid | while on a boat? |
| 04:33.02 | Amarande | also, will Curse Client screw up your interface folder if you instruct it to install an addon you've already got installed via other means (like having backed up said folder during your last format)? |
| 04:33.25 | Jerub | Amarande: i gave up on high modded uis a loooong time ago |
| 04:33.29 | Jerub | turns out the defaults are fine |
| 04:33.34 | Amarande | Jerub: I practically can't play with the defaults anymore |
| 04:33.58 | Amarande | a few specific things are too limited, then if I install *just* the addons to deal with that, I can't move the Blizzard widgets so I have to install more addons just to have stuff that can be moved |
| 04:34.15 | Jerub | Amarande: i'm curious, what things are missing? |
| 04:34.26 | Amarande | I'm not sure, since I haven't played the default UI in forever |
| 04:34.27 | Jerub | i find i can 'get by' with a very strict subset of things |
| 04:34.29 | Amarande | but anyway |
| 04:34.38 | Amarande | if I install Curse Client and then try to install Pitbull while Pitbull is manually installed |
| 04:34.54 | Amarande | should I expect it to work it out intelligently or should I expect my addon folder to be more corrupt than Illidan? |
| 04:35.22 | Amarande | also Gatherer, since it appears both Pitbull and Gatherer need updates |
| 04:35.50 | Nobgul | Amarande: I am using minion atm and ehatever it doesnt have i manually update. |
| 04:36.04 | Amarande | also |
| 04:36.10 | Amarande | SM Cath is horribly, horribly, HORRIBLY bugged up right now. |
| 04:36.11 | Jerub | what's pitbull for again? |
| 04:36.15 | Amarande | Jerub: unit frames |
| 04:36.20 | Nobgul | frames |
| 04:36.32 | Jerub | Amarande: is there something specific about the built in ones you don't like? |
| 04:36.34 | Jerub | the new ones. |
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| 04:36.39 | Amarande | Jerub: never really seen what they look like. |
| 04:36.48 | Jerub | Amarande: you should. |
| 04:36.59 | Jerub | they're not perfect, but they're a damn sight better than the joke that was in 3.x |
| 04:37.00 | Amarande | but I'm guessing they take up a fixed portion of the screen that you can't control without causing ALL of your addons to scale involuntarily with it, and can't be moved at all. |
| 04:37.15 | Jerub | wrong wrong and wrong :) |
| 04:37.36 | Jerub | the bugs are more to do with what buffs/debuffs they display. |
| 04:37.36 | Amarande | Jerub: UI Scale slider affects addons, too. Unless they added something entirely new, that'd be the only way to resize any Blizzard widgets. |
| 04:37.56 | Jerub | Amarande: there are sliders for width/height of the bars in the built in raid frames. |
| 04:38.07 | Jerub | and you can move it |
| 04:38.12 | Jerub | (though i never have) |
| 04:38.21 | Amarande | unfortunately, I don't think any addon stuff is going to fix the fact that SM Cath is intolerably buggy now |
| 04:38.24 | Amarande | specifically Mograine |
| 04:38.58 | Amarande | apparently, if you escape from Mograine (such as from realizing that the tank just pulled him without clearing the back wings of the room, and that to stay is just stupid and you might as well run out while you have the chance) |
| 04:39.03 | Amarande | he DOES NOT RESET when you make it out of the instance |
| 04:39.21 | Jerub | oh i saw a neat bug yesterday. |
| 04:39.22 | Amarande | ... we actually ended up killing Mograine near the entrance. |
| 04:39.22 | Xyphoid | INTOLERABLY |
| 04:39.27 | Jerub | Skorn from WC actually /fled. |
| 04:39.33 | Nobgul | lol |
| 04:39.44 | Amarande | and then his frickin gf never spawned to rez him, so I have to do this buggy train wreck AGAIN to get the quest finished. |
| 04:40.17 | Jerub | hahaha |
| 04:40.30 | A-KO | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40359277/ns/local_news-winstonsalem_nc/ |
| 04:44.04 | Amarande | Jerub: wow, haven't seen Skorn do that before |
| 04:44.25 | Amarande | we're gonna need 4.0.4 real soon at this rate |
| 04:44.36 | Amarande | or maybe 4.0.5. 4.0.4 is probably not found. :) |
| 04:45.19 | Napoleone | lol |
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| 04:52.26 | Nobgul | =( |
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| 04:54.38 | Nobgul | err |
| 04:54.43 | Nobgul | mmo-champ damn you! |
| 04:55.43 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: sup |
| 04:56.01 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: sup sup |
| 04:56.17 | Kraps | so you filling out your wishlist? |
| 04:56.25 | Thunder_Child | i already had one |
| 04:56.32 | Thunder_Child | and they only do the top 5 |
| 04:56.58 | Napoleone | wishlist? |
| 04:57.06 | Thunder_Child | steam |
| 04:57.07 | Kraps | you to have at least 10 in the list |
| 04:57.59 | Napoleone | lol |
| 04:58.00 | Napoleone | A second pet can no longer be summoned when the active pet is dead. |
| 04:58.04 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 04:58.09 | Thunder_Child | 8sigh* |
| 04:58.11 | Thunder_Child | ** |
| 04:58.26 | Thunder_Child | figures, i have 7 |
| 04:58.29 | Kraps | "Eligibility: Entry open to any user holding a Steam account in good standing, who completes a Wish List with at least ten (10) single game titles." |
| 04:59.14 | Jerub | oh, this is important. |
| 04:59.24 | Jerub | does anyone know if they've upped the drop rate on savory deviate delight recipes? |
| 04:59.43 | djDef | doubt it |
| 04:59.55 | Jerub | two dropped in 10 minutes in the northern barrens the other day |
| 05:00.07 | Thunder_Child | well that was easy enough 7 to 13 in seconds |
| 05:00.07 | djDef | awesome make some cash hehe |
| 05:00.26 | bluspacecow | no but i can wow head it for you jerub |
| 05:00.40 | Wobin | oh ten |
| 05:00.46 | Jerub | is wowhead up to date on such things? |
| 05:00.49 | Amarande | Jerub: random loot is random |
| 05:00.53 | bluspacecow | should be |
| 05:01.01 | bluspacecow | they have had a ptr and wowhead versions of the site |
| 05:01.07 | bluspacecow | when a patch goes live they merge the data |
| 05:01.10 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9456 |
| 05:01.14 | Jerub | 1 in 5 dropped it :) |
| 05:01.20 | Amarande | I was farming leather off turtles in Hinterlands a couple weeks ago and picked up nine bigmouth clams ... four of them had pearls, and the first two were GOLDEN pearls that go for 100+g on Turalyon |
| 05:01.51 | Amarande | Napoleone: that was the case in 4.0.1 was well, about not being able to summon a second pet while the active pet is dead |
| 05:01.57 | Amarande | in fact, unless they changed it, it gets WORSE THAN THAT. |
| 05:02.05 | bluspacecow | dang they merged the beta/ptr side already |
| 05:02.28 | Amarande | you cannot DISMISS your active pet while they are dead either, so you have to spend ten seconds (which in many situations where you need to do this is an aeon) Reviving Pet before you can dismiss to get your tenacity pet out to try to save your group from a wipe. |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | given the disappointing performance of so many Dungeon Finder tanks lately, this isn't good. :| |
| 05:04.26 | Napoleone | wonder if there are a small app that can track the online status of a realm |
| 05:04.44 | Jerub | Napoleone: there's an iphone app for it. |
| 05:04.47 | Jerub | and there's the realmstatus page |
| 05:05.05 | Napoleone | i hate scrolling halfway to check my realm |
| 05:05.12 | Napoleone | or on the list find mine lol |
| 05:05.25 | Nobgul | Napoleone: I have a script i can give you if you have a "portal" that accepts html and java. |
| 05:05.43 | Thunder_Child | why are web hosts so shady |
| 05:06.02 | Nobgul | Thunder_Child: Cause they aren't Nobgul |
| 05:06.02 | Amarande | anyway, I've seen it with Mograine and now wonder if it's bosses in general now |
| 05:06.08 | Amarande | but apparently, if you leave the instance during a boss battle |
| 05:06.14 | Amarande | rather than staying around to die |
| 05:06.22 | Thunder_Child | Nobgul is a non shady web host? |
| 05:06.25 | Amarande | bosses may no longer recognize you as having left the instance. |
| 05:06.36 | Jerub | oh hey. |
| 05:06.40 | Jerub | there was a bug we found the other day |
| 05:06.56 | Jerub | ... in our 10 man icc run we could run back into the instance after deaths on gunship |
| 05:06.58 | Amarande | you drop out of combat, but the boss won't reset unless you go in to accept your repair bill |
| 05:07.06 | Jerub | and it ported us to the battle. |
| 05:07.21 | Nobgul | Thunder_Child: Yerp |
| 05:07.37 | Thunder_Child | Nobgul: still seems rather shady |
| 05:07.40 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:07.42 | Nobgul | =P |
| 05:07.45 | Amarande | also I somehow got credit for killing Mograine while I was still in IF and hadn't teleported back to Cath. Not that it matters, since the same bug resulted in Whitemane never spawning, so now I have to do the whole buggy train wreck *again* in order to get her. |
| 05:08.03 | Amarande | Don't think I got any XP or Darnassus rep, though. |
| 05:08.05 | Amarande | It's weird. |
| 05:08.07 | Nobgul | Napoleone: did you want the code? |
| 05:08.47 | Amarande | I start to get the feeling that Mograine might have chased me all the way back to Ironforge eventually if there wasn't an instance portal in the way. ;) |
| 05:09.20 | Dagmar | He's stubborn like that |
| 05:09.25 | Amarande | (Heh. How long would it take a mob, at aggroed pursuit speed, to run all the way from SM to IF?) |
| 05:10.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: buggy is more like it |
| 05:10.28 | Amarande | this is even worse than the various Stupid Muradin Tricks that our raid tells tales of at Gunship |
| 05:10.56 | Amarande | my favorite is the time that Muradin suddenly up and flew up in BETWEEN the gunships and started throwing hammers at our tank for melee damage |
| 05:11.18 | Amarande | basically, it seems like if it CAN glitch up in ICC in a ridiculously odd way, it HAS glitched up in ICC in a ridiculously odd way for our raid. :) |
| 05:12.03 | Amarande | We have very odd karma in ICC. We one-shot most bosses and wipe more often than anything, except maybe Sindy/LK, on the first trash pull in the instance |
| 05:12.49 | Amarande | Then there was the time I died on LK in a total dick way that involved no error whatsoever and that there was absolutely no way that I or anyone in the raid could have prevented. (At least we did down him that time, though.) |
| 05:13.39 | Jerub | Amarande: have you glitched the gunship yet? |
| 05:13.45 | tekkub | yea being dicked to death sucks |
| 05:13.45 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZM4Bpt3xZU |
| 05:14.20 | Amarande | Jerub: I can't recall how long since the last glitch but we've had a number of strange things happen on it over the months |
| 05:14.28 | Amarande | tekkub: the LK death basically went like this |
| 05:14.40 | Jerub | Amarande: did i tell this story already? swapping between hard and normal mode on GS glitched so bad that 5 raid members could see the enemy gunship off our starboard side. |
| 05:14.57 | Jerub | me, and 4 other random raid members could see them about 300 yards to stern. |
| 05:15.11 | Amarande | I'd been selected for harvesting ... then I pop out of Frostmourne. Into defile. Not only into defile, but towards the side of defile, so I have only one way I can possibly run out of it. This way runs straight into several of the splodey spirits LK summons during P3. |
| 05:15.19 | Amarande | Needless to say I died. :S |
| 05:15.26 | Amarande | Jerub: Oops. :) |
| 05:15.34 | Jerub | Amarande: we beat it. but only because it was on normal |
| 05:15.36 | Jerub | and /only just' |
| 05:15.45 | Amarande | I heard of the one where the gunship deck registered as not solid for someone and they fell literally forever |
| 05:16.01 | Jerub | Amarande: i fell to my death on GS the other day wlaking off the ship |
| 05:16.02 | Jerub | that was bad |
| 05:16.27 | Amarande | apparently not just as not solid, but in a way that once they fell through they kept falling until z-coordinate underflow, and thus kept falling literally without end |
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| 05:18.27 | Amarande | dammit. still no updates for pitbull or gatherer. |
| 05:19.14 | Amarande | unless stuff appears in curse client before it does on the site, but I doubt that would be the case |
| 05:19.47 | Dagmar | 4.0.0-beta19 is the latest |
| 05:19.52 | Dagmar | Give him a bit of time, man |
| 05:19.55 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.59 | Dagmar | They broke somehting deep on him this time around |
| 05:20.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: I noticed. Literally every time someone leaves an LFD group and we get a replacement, the party frame shows entirely wrong players and I have to reloadui to get it to show right. |
| 05:20.53 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: Type it into Google sometime |
| 05:21.40 | Napoleone | 15 |
| 05:22.01 | Mirrormn_ | only took you 2 minutes to work thatout by hand? :P |
| 05:22.09 | Napoleone | naa just saw it lol |
| 05:22.14 | Napoleone | took me about3 secs |
| 05:22.27 | Dagmar | I use Google for feet to meters conversions at work all the time |
| 05:22.40 | Napoleone | lol just kill the imperial system already |
| 05:22.51 | Napoleone | nfl in meters that would be AWESOME |
| 05:22.57 | Jerub | i use google for simple maths and simple units. i use wolfram alpha for more interesting things |
| 05:23.12 | Amarande | Napoleone, they'd have to do major remodeling on the fields. |
| 05:23.29 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:23.40 | Amarande | 100 meters is about nine yards longer than the existing field. |
| 05:23.46 | Napoleone | its 1 meter and centimeters to first down |
| 05:23.54 | Napoleone | well wouldnt hurt would it? |
| 05:24.02 | Dagmar | When they stop making datacenter floor tiles exactly two feet square, I'll think about it. |
| 05:24.10 | Amarande | In fact, it's practically identical to the length of a Canadian football field. |
| 05:24.12 | Napoleone | the fat americans could use some more exersize |
| 05:24.12 | Arrowmaster | 90 meters is about 100 yards if i remember correctly |
| 05:24.30 | Amarande | Which makes me wonder why Canadian football fields are marked in yards when Canada uses metric. |
| 05:24.31 | Dagmar | If you want equipment that fits into meters, go find some starving chinamen and pay them to make it for you like we do |
| 05:24.43 | Jerub | there's a bunch of things that are really annoying because of meters/feet. floor tiles is one. |
| 05:24.44 | Napoleone | 100 yards = 91.44 meters |
| 05:24.46 | Arrowmaster | 90 meters was the longest outdoor distance back when i did archery |
| 05:24.54 | Amarande | although I guess that marking it in meters would make a first down 10 meters |
| 05:25.01 | Amarande | which might actually noticeably lower scores |
| 05:25.12 | Amarande | and the TV ad people who give a lot of sports funding HATE low scoring games |
| 05:25.13 | Jerub | the compound error from the metric measurement of the size when you have 100 tiles is big enought o be annoying. |
| 05:25.24 | Napoleone | uuuh that extra .9 meter lol |
| 05:25.39 | Amarande | Napoleone: it's a struggle sometimes to make it a yard or two. |
| 05:25.41 | Napoleone | if they hate low scoring why the hell watch soccer |
| 05:25.45 | Amarande | People punt on 4th and 1 sometimes. |
| 05:25.56 | Napoleone | yeah because they are stoopid |
| 05:26.21 | Napoleone | most this season as shown in danish tv.(including 3 mathces tonight AWESOME) then they punt at 4 yards avg |
| 05:26.29 | Amarande | Napoleone: that's actually, I think, a reason why pro soccer is not particularly popular in the United States. |
| 05:26.51 | Napoleone | i hate soccer.. so dam boring |
| 05:27.01 | Amarande | Combined with the continuous play with few opportunities for reasonable clock stops for commercials, it's a sport TV advertisers hate. |
| 05:27.05 | Napoleone | i remember whe i was young.. 5-10 goals was average but now they are all pumped and lazy |
| 05:27.09 | Amarande | And when TV advertisers hate a sport, the funding plummets. |
| 05:27.17 | Arrowmaster | theyve been changing the rules in most american sports these last years to get higher scoring games |
| 05:27.24 | Napoleone | lol they hate soccer because we ahve 45 mins uninterrupteable |
| 05:27.26 | Dagmar | Screw football fields, if you put a meter-measured tile in a US data center, you'd fall through the floor and probably crush some fiber in the process. No thank you. |
| 05:27.29 | Amarande | Arrow: indeed. Football has actually admitted to it openly, apparently. |
| 05:27.53 | Napoleone | what i hate about american tv... commercials |
| 05:27.59 | Amarande | I recall a NY Times article a few years ago where they out and actually said they change the rules on defensive fouls if scores are too low to ensure defenders can't help but allow more scoring |
| 05:28.31 | Amarande | American football has been inherently more corrupted by money than almost any other sport, though. |
| 05:28.40 | Amarande | This is why in the college side of things we have the BS. Er, I mean the BCS. |
| 05:29.17 | Amarande | Literally the entire championship round of American college football is more or less rigged to ensure established top schools get in the championship practically every time, to ensure said schools get the funding associated with such "prestige." |
| 05:29.25 | Napoleone | ye |
| 05:29.50 | Amarande | We will note that, on the other hand, NCAA *basketball* actually has a real championship tournament that is determined solely, to my knowledge, by real performance. |
| 05:30.25 | Dagmar | It's rigged by what mechanism? |
| 05:30.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: the whole voting BS |
| 05:30.45 | Amarande | of which actual performance is only a part, and I think even less than half of what actually counts |
| 05:30.46 | Dagmar | Keep in mind I work at one of the few schools with a college team that expects their students to be able to read and write |
| 05:30.54 | Napoleone | whats up with the random lags i keep getting |
| 05:30.59 | Napoleone | frame spikes |
| 05:31.06 | Dagmar | MTSu, those guys are mainly idiots. |
| 05:31.21 | Dagmar | Vanderbilt loses a lot because well, mostly they're just playing to have fun. Heheh |
| 05:31.51 | Dagmar | They KNOW they're likely to lose, but chicks dig it anywya |
| 05:32.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: take a gander at this. http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html |
| 05:32.23 | Dagmar | Mkind you, they're still tempermentally a bunch of jocks, but they'll put study before practice |
| 05:32.47 | Amarande | It's the most insane championship selection system ever invented by man, and it's designed for one particular thing - to ensure that for the most part the same schools get in somewhere in the BCS almost year in and year out, so they maintain a reputation that attracts their sports funding. |
| 05:33.23 | Amarande | There are countless colleges that basically never see the BCS no matter how good their team is, because the voting system ensures they're not wanted. |
| 05:33.52 | Arrowmaster | "4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings." |
| 05:34.22 | Amarande | Arrow: Yeaaaaaah. |
| 05:34.35 | Napoleone | anyone seen the lvls on the gnomeregan infantry? |
| 05:34.35 | Amarande | The moment you see ANYTHING like that in a tournament qualification rules list, you know the whole thing is bullshit. |
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| 05:35.21 | Amarande | We will note on the other hand the simplicity and credibility of the basketball championship tournament, by comparison. |
| 05:36.16 | Amarande | This is why people actually care about the NCAA basketball tournament, to the point of gambling on brackets and watching the Final Four with bated breath, while the BCS is pretty much reduced to a television spectacle where people mostly care about watching the cheerleaders and halftime show. |
| 05:36.41 | Amarande | Really, why even care about a BCS game unless your alma mater or local college's team is actually in said game? |
| 05:37.25 | schnoggo | Does rev 116 of Astrolabe from esamynn svn have 4.03 zone data? Didn't see any commit comments :) |
| 05:37.28 | Arrowmaster | i slightly care if ohio state is playing but not enough to actually watch a game |
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| 05:58.16 | Thunder_Child | "Our servers however are in Dallas, TX. The central location of our servers allows us to serve all customers from around the world with the fastest connection speeds possible." yes, because dallas, tx is the center of the world. |
| 05:58.55 | Amarande | We can't install servers at the center of the world yet ... we don't have CPUs that run at that temperature. |
| 05:59.09 | Amarande | In fact, I'm pretty sure silicon isn't even solid at that temperature ;) |
| 05:59.34 | Mirrormn_ | well, the world is a sphere; in some ways, any location could be considered a center |
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| 06:07.58 | Napoleone | its not a sphere lol |
| 06:08.08 | Napoleone | maybe a kindergarden sphere |
| 06:14.16 | Napoleone | any new bags in beta? |
| 06:14.21 | Mirrormn_ | how is it not a sphere? |
| 06:14.58 | Napoleone | because of the moons gravitational pull its not a sphere.. a sphere is a perfect round sphere ;) |
| 06:15.11 | bluspacecow | its a cone head ! |
| 06:15.16 | Corrodias | also because of its spin |
| 06:15.20 | Napoleone | ye |
| 06:15.29 | Napoleone | but the moon alone is enough |
| 06:15.36 | Mirrormn_ | the pull of the moon changes the overall shape of earth by an extremely small amount |
| 06:15.56 | Mirrormn_ | if you're going to be that picky, then nothing is a true sphere |
| 06:15.57 | Nobgul|AFK | Have a good night all. And have a happy holiday. |
| 06:16.14 | Corrodias | hmm. well, either way, the end result is that, even if you smoothed it out, it wouldn't be a perfect sphere. the overall shape is squashed. |
| 06:16.27 | Corrodias | picking nits is not required to acknowledge this |
| 06:17.03 | Mirrormn_ | I think you are seriously overestimating the innacuracy |
| 06:17.48 | Thunder_Child | isnt the sphere used for the defacto kg or whatever the most perfect sphere ever made to date? |
| 06:18.26 | Mirrormn_ | I thought the defacto kilogram was a rectangular shape |
| 06:19.06 | Mirrormn_ | hmm, no, wikipedia seems to think it is a cylinder |
| 06:19.25 | Corrodias | "The shape of the Earth is very close to that of an oblate spheroid, a sphere flattened along the axis from pole to pole such that there is a bulge around the equator.[58] This bulge results from the rotation of the Earth, and causes the diameter at the equator to be 43 km larger than the pole to pole diameter.[59] The average diameter of the reference spheroid is about 12,742 km, which is |
| 06:19.25 | Corrodias | approximately 40,000 km/Ï," |
| 06:20.16 | Corrodias | so that's about a 3.4% difference in thickness depending on how you measure it |
| 06:20.46 | Mirrormn_ | no, it's 0.34% |
| 06:20.52 | Kraps | http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ |
| 06:20.54 | Mirrormn_ | which is really not that much |
| 06:21.16 | Corrodias | oh, you're right, sorry about that |
| 06:21.31 | Corrodias | i suppose i dropped a digit there when i typed it in the first time |
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| 06:22.15 | Corrodias | as for whether it is "that much", it depends on the context |
| 06:22.23 | Amarande | So is Argent Champion a faux FoS now pretty much? |
| 06:22.35 | Mirrormn_ | so say you had a 1 inch steel ball |
| 06:22.38 | Amarande | I haven't seen Argent Dawn NPCs around ANYWHERE. |
| 06:23.44 | Thunder_Child | no peeking Mirrormn_ |
| 06:23.49 | Mirrormn_ | that amount of inaccuracy would mean the equator would be 1.003 inches and the pole to pole would be .9967 inches |
| 06:23.54 | Mirrormn_ | I don't think you'd notice |
| 06:24.10 | Corrodias | "While the sphere is a close approximation of the true figure of the Earth and satisfactory for many purposes, to the geodesists interested in the measurement of long distancesâspanning continents and oceansâa more exact figure is necessary." |
| 06:24.26 | Corrodias | depends on context. |
| 06:25.29 | Mirrormn_ | actually, in the context... I'm not sure the bulginess of the shape would even matter |
| 06:28.18 | Corrodias | i'm not about to argue with people who specialize in whatever the hell that field is |
| 06:28.47 | Corrodias | you can take it up with them if you think they're just worrying about nothing. i defer to their authority. |
| 06:29.51 | Mirrormn_ | well, basically, my premise is that for any given point on the earth, you would essentially be able to lay internet cable in all directions |
| 06:30.09 | Mirrormn_ | and then all the cables would converge at an opposite point on the globe |
| 06:30.14 | Mirrormn_ | all being the exact same length |
| 06:30.43 | Mirrormn_ | seems intuitive for a perfect sphere, I dunno if it holds for a "bulgy" sphere, though |
| 06:31.06 | Mirrormn_ | I'm not a theoretical geometry mathemetician |
| 06:31.20 | Mirrormn_ | (or a mathemetician of any sort) |
| 06:33.06 | Wobin | generally speaking though, placing undersea cable is best done where there is the least amount of cable used |
| 06:33.30 | Amarande | wow another unexpected change. venom mist lurkers used to be the more scary looking spiders |
| 06:33.33 | Amarande | now they're cuddly green ones |
| 06:33.48 | Ycarene | What is a feral druid's primary stat, str or agi? |
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| 06:34.59 | Mirrormn_ | agi, as far as I know... |
| 06:35.11 | Mirrormn_ | hard to know with all the recent class changes =/ |
| 06:35.30 | Corrodias | it, well, used to be both, in 2.4 anyway |
| 06:35.58 | Corrodias | nah. i guess agility was more useful. |
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| 07:15.21 | Fisker | jerkmen |
| 07:16.36 | Bluspacecow | http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/Hopalongtom/Funny%20Pics%20and%20comics/funny-toon-pic013.jpg |
| 07:17.11 | Mirrormn_ | fisker, today I was feeling bad about how you killed a man |
| 07:17.20 | Mirrormn_ | so I decided to balance it out by having a baby |
| 07:17.46 | Mirrormn_ | so you don't need to feel guilty anymore |
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| 07:25.08 | Fisker | :O |
| 07:25.42 | Mirrormn_ | YOU'RE WELCOME |
| 07:26.33 | ccox | I level my priest to 14, and all of a sudden pawn things she's a rogue... |
| 07:29.43 | Fisker | i once killed a priest ccox |
| 07:31.13 | Dagmar | Just once? |
| 07:32.15 | Mirrormn_ | well fisker is an equal opportunity murderer |
| 07:32.21 | Dagmar | That's important. |
| 07:32.49 | Dagmar | You're really only cheating yourself if you restrict your mayhem to only select parts of the population. |
| 07:32.58 | Dagmar | ...although I still favor clothies. |
| 07:33.05 | Dagmar | It's like shooting marshmellows. |
| 07:33.07 | Dagmar | :) |
| 07:39.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:39.24 | Amarande | I'm beginning to wonder if some mats no longer drop |
| 07:39.34 | Dagmar | Ah relax |
| 07:39.40 | Amarande | for instance, elementals always give me grey Inert Elemental stuff |
| 07:39.41 | Dagmar | Even if they don't, it'll get fixed soon enough |
| 07:39.52 | Amarande | and I'm wondering if Arthas' Tears still spawn anywhere. |
| 07:40.09 | Amarande | the WPL spawns at least are totally different now. |
| 07:40.56 | Dagmar | Yeah I noticed Gatherer was a bit loopy |
| 07:42.53 | Amarande | Not updated yet, though. |
| 07:43.04 | Amarande | Neither is Pitbull, I think I may cut back on random dungeons until they fix that. |
| 07:43.19 | Amarande | At least, till I get out of the level range for SM Cath. |
| 07:43.29 | Amarande | because Mograine is just *too* buggy right now. |
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| 07:56.10 | Dagmar | Why not just kill his happy ass? |
| 07:56.22 | Dagmar | By now I'm sure he's quite used to being roflstomped |
| 07:56.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: the problem was that someone pulled him too soon. |
| 07:56.50 | Xyphoid | this is amarande |
| 07:56.56 | Amarande | Then, of course, since I know and you know this is a wipe, I ran out of the instance. |
| 07:57.21 | Amarande | After that, he failed to reset correctly. We pretty much had to whittle down the whole mob of mobs in the first courtyard, which is where Mograine died. |
| 07:57.27 | Amarande | And Whitemane also failed to spawn as a result. |
| 07:57.37 | Amarande | The doors opened, but even if we went back into the cathedral she wasn't there. |
| 07:58.00 | Dagmar | Bummer |
| 07:58.30 | Amarande | It may even be an issue with all bosses since patch, I'm not sure, since that's the first I've seen that happen. Mograine is a particularly common boss to have be mispulled like that, though. |
| 07:58.46 | Amarande | And now that we ALL pay plate repair bills, I'm none too keen on sticking around to die when I started out with the range to be able to make it out. |
| 07:59.39 | Dagmar | Yeah I think we need to give some people wedgies over that |
| 08:05.12 | Amarande | Yeah. Shouldn't have to pay a repair bill as a bug workaround. :| |
| 08:05.29 | Amarande | Besides, it's a pretty big bug, because it seems as if the bosses aren't recognizing that people are no longer in the instance |
| 08:05.47 | Amarande | Like I said, I wouldn't put it past Mograine to chase me to Ironforge if he could go through the instance portal. |
| 08:06.02 | Dagmar | You'll see me carrying around a set of "of the Bandit" greens with as much as it costs now |
| 08:06.37 | Amarande | oh, btw, where do you learn the Crusader enchant now? or is it no longer learnable? |
| 08:07.56 | Amarande | and wow did Tirion get even more badass, with that much HP I wouldn't be surprised if now he could solo the LK in P3 as well as P4 if he wasn't in that iceblock :) |
| 08:11.06 | Amarande | LOL. "Mom was right ... I'll NEVER make it into the Argent Crusade" |
| 08:12.13 | cogwheel | Cogwheel's Minecraft Workshop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8fgKns_uw&p=597780A40D6C542B =) |
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| 08:13.54 | Amarande | LOL! |
| 08:14.38 | Amarande | "I'm just looking over my paperwork here, and it says that we were expecting a MALE draenei mage. You're not, umm... <Lieutenant Myner looks at you awkwardly.>" |
| 08:15.57 | Iriel | cogwheel: i,m stuck waiting for the minecart mania guy to update for the new SMP server |
| 08:16.54 | Dagmar | Minecart Mania? |
| 08:17.06 | Iriel | http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecart_Mania! |
| 08:17.19 | Iriel | And http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=84401 |
| 08:17.50 | Dagmar | Oh that's kinda neat |
| 08:18.22 | Iriel | It is, though with the older server code it's a bit annoying (you dont get terrain updates while in a cart, so long distance rides crash) |
| 08:18.30 | Iriel | (since you run out of terrain) |
| 08:18.38 | Dagmar | Supposedly that got fixed. |
| 08:18.56 | Amarande | I absolutely love the new Plaguelands. |
| 08:19.30 | Amarande | Some of the quest dialogue is just *win*, the questing's actually more fun than it was (and I used to be an avid Plaguelands quester, one of the reasons my characters tended to be 61-63 before Outland), and the herb spawn rate is ridiculously fast. :) |
| 08:20.05 | Iriel | Dagmar: yeah, thus my waiting on the edge of my seat for an update |
| 08:20.41 | Fisker | i'm a holy cow :( |
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| 08:22.38 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/2010-11-21-MinecraftWorldMap.png |
| 08:22.44 | Iriel | I have a lot of ground to cover |
| 08:22.52 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/fiskerdin/ <-doesn't my face look discolored or something? |
| 08:23.00 | Amarande | holy cow. two triple skill ups already in inscription |
| 08:23.18 | Dagmar | Irial: I'm a sick man but personally one of the new bugs I found to be hilarious |
| 08:23.28 | cogwheel | Fisker: you look like a dk |
| 08:23.39 | Amarande | seems like orange glyphs give +3 regularly now |
| 08:23.40 | Dagmar | If you're one of those pansies who plays single player in "Peaceful" mode, now it doesn't keep monsters from spawning. |
| 08:23.44 | Dagmar | ...and they're invisible |
| 08:23.46 | Amarande | I love inscription. |
| 08:23.46 | Fisker | race changes are fun cogwheel :P |
| 08:23.54 | Fisker | probably bugged my texture since i'm a tauren now |
| 08:24.16 | Iriel | Dagmar: that sounds _fun_ |
| 08:24.43 | Amarande | do the other crafting professions give triple skill up most of the time on orange now too? |
| 08:24.56 | Fisker | omg Amarande |
| 08:25.00 | Fisker | i gotta skill LW then |
| 08:25.30 | Dagmar | I especially like it that kiddies were getting blown to bits by stealth ninja creepers |
| 08:25.40 | Amarande | Fisker: I'd say "wow, wonderful" but I'd also want to say "please die nao" |
| 08:25.50 | Amarande | mostly because I leveled LW to 421 the hard way just a couple weeks ago :S |
| 08:26.22 | Fisker | i leveled blacksmithing the hard way a couple of weeks ago |
| 08:26.34 | Fisker | i thought the profession changes would be there in 4.0.1 |
| 08:26.45 | Fisker | and because there were no real signs of them in live or beta i figured they had scrapped it |
| 08:26.58 | Iriel | Engineering has not been doing that for my new gnome |
| 08:27.25 | Amarande | Fisker: At least BS you can usually buy what you need from the AH if you are rich enough |
| 08:27.39 | Amarande | LW, you can buy out the entire AH of most leather types and still not have enough to make it to the next |
| 08:27.47 | Fisker | yeah |
| 08:27.56 | Fisker | But still a pretty waste of money there for BS |
| 08:27.59 | Fisker | LW is just insane |
| 08:28.03 | Amarande | plus 340-350 on LW is a BASTARD |
| 08:28.08 | Fisker | light leather stacks cost like a million |
| 08:28.18 | Amarande | literally. the EASIEST way to get there seems to involve two steps: |
| 08:28.25 | Amarande | 1) Get into a BC dungeon that gets you one of the elemental armor kits |
| 08:28.36 | Amarande | 2) Create these, but that needs FOUR HUNDRED MOTES of the given type you want |
| 08:28.38 | Fisker | i'm thinking about making like a troll druid with LW/Mining then change to Herb/Mining when i leveled LW :P |
| 08:28.51 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:28.53 | Amarande | (Pray you don't need primal air. Even primal fire is annoying enough, and that's with the really high drop rate of motes at the Throne of KJ.) |
| 08:29.06 | Fisker | but they might've changed it now |
| 08:30.00 | Amarande | I wonder if being a scribe saves an entire rep grind in Cata too |
| 08:30.06 | Amarande | like it did in LK |
| 08:32.37 | Fisker | what rep grind? |
| 08:32.51 | Fisker | you mean like rep grinding for tailoring patterns and shit? |
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| 08:44.19 | Amarande | Fisker: I mean that you used to have to have a character on each server you played with exalted Hodir or you were just a noob regardless of your other progress and reps, because your shoulders weren't 'chanted properly. |
| 08:44.24 | Amarande | Scribes didn't have to do it. |
| 08:44.29 | Amarande | because the scribe perk is shoulder enchants |
| 08:44.57 | Amarande | It used to be a bigger deal, since the Ulduar relic turnin items used to be BoP and you used to have to have Hodir exalted on EVERY 80 to be considered raid worthy. |
| 08:47.45 | Amarande | wow I'm having a good time with inscription research too |
| 08:47.55 | Amarande | two days in a row my minor inscription research gives me a new glyph that's also *for my class* |
| 08:49.31 | Fisker | ah |
| 08:49.43 | Fisker | hodir was np :P |
| 08:49.52 | Fisker | i was exalted before we had our first raid |
| 08:52.31 | Iriel | I dont understand why people hated hodir so much |
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| 08:55.19 | Amarande | Iriel: back in the day when you needed it on every 80 and couldn't buy the relics off of AH, it was probably something of a pain |
| 08:55.52 | Amarande | That and you have to do a fracking long quest chain with no real opportunities to economize by doing more than one quest at once, at a point where you're probably long since 80 and itching to raid |
| 08:56.03 | Amarande | Hell, I usually hit 80 around the time I hit Zul'Drak, let alone Stormpeaks |
| 08:56.32 | Iriel | I was long exalted with hodir before they made the items buyable, it just didn't seem THAT bad a grind, compared to many many others |
| 08:57.15 | Iriel | though I guess ifyou want to raid and not quest, it would be annoying |
| 08:57.59 | Amarande | Once the enchants became BoA, people got a lot happier. |
| 08:58.32 | Amarande | OTOH, this mage is on a server that will possibly always be a secondary server for me, so I really didn't want to have to deal with rep on her. And they still don't have cross-server mail for BoA yet. |
| 08:58.52 | Amarande | I believe said mail is something Blizzard has said they wanted to do at some point, but there's no word on when it will. |
| 09:00.10 | Jamash | I was pissed at having to get a second character exalted with Hodir (for the bag pattern) but the guild gave me a few hundred relics and that was that |
| 09:02.11 | Amarande | You're probably more pissed now that the Glacial Bag is a useless pattern. :) |
| 09:02.18 | Jamash | not really |
| 09:02.26 | Jamash | I didn't make them to sell |
| 09:02.33 | Amarande | still, it's no longer really useful |
| 09:02.38 | Amarande | the Abyssal Bag uses less mats and has no CD |
| 09:02.59 | Jamash | I'm too lazy to farm primal shadow |
| 09:03.05 | Fisker | as i recall i was exalted with hodir a week after release :o |
| 09:03.14 | Xyphoid | remember everfrost chip hunting |
| 09:03.17 | Xyphoid | oh god |
| 09:03.28 | Amarande | what were those for? |
| 09:03.37 | Jamash | naxx40? |
| 09:04.12 | Amarande | oh right. |
| 09:04.24 | Xyphoid | that was how you got hodir rep before the relic of ulduar quest was added |
| 09:04.31 | Jamash | oh |
| 09:04.33 | Xyphoid | apart from the dailies |
| 09:04.34 | Amarande | oh |
| 09:04.36 | Amarande | or the dailies |
| 09:04.44 | Amarande | one of which (the dragon wrestling) is to be avoided if you want to stay sane |
| 09:04.49 | Xyphoid | naw it's fun |
| 09:05.03 | Jamash | I died a lot, but it's fun |
| 09:05.14 | Amarande | Xyphoid: ehh. I tried it and it seemed like a really good source of repair bills that outweigh the reward |
| 09:05.58 | Xyphoid | well sure, now you just buy 1000 relics and hand them in |
| 09:06.16 | Xyphoid | but it's quite doable and fun |
| 09:06.20 | Dagmar | OMG NEW PETS! |
| 09:06.36 | Xyphoid | i am all for a challenge that doesn't involve pressing lightning bolt |
| 09:06.40 | Fisker | wat new pets? |
| 09:06.46 | Dagmar | I swear it looked like that monkey was throwing poo at me |
| 09:06.49 | Amarande | IIRC the issue with dragon wrestling was that you couldn't actually use any of the tactics that you were supposed to |
| 09:06.57 | Xyphoid | dagmar: funny, that, guess what the pet skill is |
| 09:07.01 | Amarande | you basically had to just somehow zerg it down and hope your health held out |
| 09:07.35 | Xyphoid | well, i used the tactics |
| 09:07.36 | Xyphoid | and they worked |
| 09:07.43 | Dagmar | Oh. My. God. |
| 09:07.49 | Amarande | IF you actually tried to properly use the skills you were given in the dragon wrangling the way you were supposed to, the battle went on too long, and when that happens you end up losing grip faster than you can hope to regain it |
| 09:07.49 | Dagmar | "Bad Manners" LOL |
| 09:07.54 | Dagmar | That's so wrong |
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| 09:08.14 | Amarande | Eventually, you can do nothing but maintain your grip, any attempt to attack just causes you to fall. Eventually after that, you can't even do that. |
| 09:08.28 | Xyphoid | you need to win before you fall behind on grip |
| 09:08.45 | Dagmar | Like Thrusting Hodir's Euphemism |
| 09:09.12 | Dagmar | "Hurls a handful of something special at the target, blinding them for 4 sec. Rude." |
| 09:09.24 | Dagmar | Sooo wrong |
| 09:09.31 | Xyphoid | on that note, why is there no achievement for killing shartuul |
| 09:09.40 | Xyphoid | that was the highlight of TBC for me |
| 09:10.04 | Amarande | Xyph: yeah, either a lot of people really suck at it (granted I only ever tried it once before deciding it wasn't worth the trouble) |
| 09:10.22 | Amarande | or they changed it at some point so the tactics actually cause you to start falling behind on grip while the dragon still has too much HP |
| 09:10.41 | Amarande | because most of the people who were successful later on apparently had to just zerg the dragon down and hope they didn't die first |
| 09:10.46 | Xyphoid | if you think that fighting a dragon with your bare hands while chained to it isn't worth teh trouble you have no sou |
| 09:10.47 | Xyphoid | soul |
| 09:10.50 | Mitigation | Ya back in the day he could draw a crowd from the other people doing the dailies if someone was actually progressing. |
| 09:11.18 | Amarande | Xyph: no, I just have no particular love for plate repair bills |
| 09:11.24 | Xyphoid | NO SOUL |
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| 09:11.32 | Amarande | wait, having a soul means you love plate repair bills? |
| 09:11.40 | Xyphoid | (also do it naked, it does % hp damage) |
| 09:11.58 | Amarande | It probably also may matter your class. |
| 09:12.11 | Amarande | Warlocks have an almost unfair advantage, because they basically CAN just zerg down the dragon. |
| 09:12.35 | Amarande | since they're getting back HP from fel armor |
| 09:14.02 | Amarande | I'm not sure any other class can regenerate like that while doing it, since HoT's are generally practically over in the time it takes you to grab the dragon to begin with |
| 09:14.34 | Amarande | anyway, I need sleep |
| 09:14.41 | Zasurus | night |
| 09:15.16 | Iriel | sleep -- good idea |
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| 09:49.57 | Fisker | OMG |
| 09:50.02 | Fisker | I JUST GOT A BETA INVITE FOR CATACLYSM |
| 09:50.53 | ZorbaBeta | omg is it from the same guys selling blizzcon 2010 passes? |
| 09:51.05 | ZorbaBeta | pretty sure they're legit, I sent them all my credit cards and also my social security number |
| 09:51.44 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 09:55.40 | cbreak_work | ZorbaBeta: what a coincidence |
| 09:55.56 | cbreak_work | I sent them your credit card and social security number too. |
| 09:56.09 | ZorbaBeta | oh boy I hope I get two blizzcon passes |
| 09:58.54 | Xyphoid | moira's voice acting is cool |
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| 10:13.42 | unfo- | Xyphoid, who's moira? |
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| 10:15.39 | Xyphoid | princess from BRD, she's in the IF throne room now |
| 10:15.48 | unfo- | kk |
| 10:16.16 | unfo- | i figured i'm going to stay away from the shattered world until Cata :) |
| 10:16.53 | Xyphoid | i'm levelling alts now, since i'm not that interested in taking a goblin or worgen past 60 |
| 10:17.07 | Xyphoid | AB at level 10 is funny too |
| 10:40.49 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: I'm sorry for the FuKung bomb this morning |
| 10:40.55 | jnwhiteh | not my fault its been so active wit funny posts! |
| 10:41.02 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 10:41.08 | Fisker | even though i meant hey jnwhiteh |
| 10:45.03 | Fisker | jnwhiteh hates me :( |
| 10:45.11 | jnwhiteh | n, just busy |
| 10:45.13 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:45.14 | jnwhiteh | hi Fisker |
| 10:45.20 | Fisker | oh |
| 10:45.24 | Fisker | saw the new nexus s shots? |
| 10:45.55 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:45.59 | Fisker | http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xda-exclusive-gingerbread-2-3-nexus-s-pictures/ |
| 10:46.20 | Fisker | i really like the flat ui :o |
| 10:46.23 | jnwhiteh | L+ |
| 10:46.24 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:47.17 | jnwhiteh | 60% done wiht LH parse |
| 10:47.22 | jnwhiteh | I have to change the bucketing |
| 10:47.26 | jnwhiteh | since the qids are all fucked now. |
| 10:48.28 | Fisker | :o |
| 10:49.04 | Torhal | Everything is all fucked now |
| 10:49.24 | Torhal | And by "everything", I mean "anything pertaining to the pre-shattering world" |
| 10:50.42 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:51.49 | Torhal | Specifically, I need to figure out how to calculate zone/continent sizes because LibTourist is completely fubar now |
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| 10:57.08 | Bluspacecow | hey guys wanted to double check something |
| 10:57.15 | Fisker | yes Bluspacecow |
| 10:57.18 | Fisker | i did once kill a guy |
| 10:57.25 | Bluspacecow | how do you set a cvar in game ? |
| 10:57.28 | Fisker | *flexes muscles* |
| 10:57.29 | Bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.48 | Fisker | /script SetCvar i think |
| 10:57.56 | Fisker | if you can even do that anymore |
| 10:58.06 | Bluspacecow | how will i know if i've done it right ? |
| 10:58.15 | Fisker | www.wowpedia.org/API_SetCVar |
| 10:58.19 | Fisker | getcvar? :P |
| 10:58.50 | Bluspacecow | kk thanks |
| 11:00.04 | Torhal | anticipates blueaddons.com |
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| 11:00.45 | Bluspacecow | he |
| 11:00.48 | Bluspacecow | its not that |
| 11:00.49 | Fisker | wouldn't be the first time where i made a significant contribution to a site and someone just ripped it without even acknowledging my contribution :( |
| 11:00.51 | Fisker | *hate* |
| 11:00.56 | Bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/933154248 |
| 11:01.10 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: Bluspacecow: you can just run /console <cvarname> <cvarvalue> |
| 11:01.21 | Bluspacecow | thought so |
| 11:01.22 | jnwhiteh | and GetCVar() tells you the current value |
| 11:01.34 | Bluspacecow | some person is quoting to type "SET fixedfunction "1" in game to set |
| 11:01.35 | Fisker | not my fault jnwhiteh |
| 11:01.38 | Fisker | i just use the console |
| 11:01.43 | Bluspacecow | cVar fixedFunction to 1 |
| 11:01.48 | jnwhiteh | Bluspacecow: yeah that only works in Config.WTF |
| 11:01.55 | Bluspacecow | :) |
| 11:01.57 | Bluspacecow | beat me to it |
| 11:02.01 | jnwhiteh | or possibly in te console mode |
| 11:02.06 | Bluspacecow | was about to say that :) |
| 11:02.06 | jnwhiteh | but i doubt tey're using that. |
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| 11:03.21 | Bluspacecow | doesn't console mode require a -console bit at the end of the path when running it ? |
| 11:05.07 | Fisker | yep |
| 11:05.12 | Bluspacecow | he |
| 11:05.14 | Bluspacecow | heh |
| 11:05.21 | Bluspacecow | we had someone in TS with no sound |
| 11:05.44 | Bluspacecow | turns out someone had put --nosound for the parameters in teh shortcut |
| 11:06.23 | Bluspacecow | what should i eat for din dins tonight fisker ? |
| 11:07.28 | Fisker | my balls |
| 11:09.01 | Fisker | do you wan to taste my balls Bluspacecow ? |
| 11:09.05 | Fisker | want* |
| 11:09.15 | Bluspacecow | may i use sweet and sour sauce ? |
| 11:09.47 | Fisker | i don't think that works well for meatballs |
| 11:09.54 | Bluspacecow | ;( |
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| 11:28.44 | ZorbaBeta | I like how I'm still getting spam from my wowstead email account. |
| 11:29.48 | Fisker | why are you spamming yourself? |
| 11:30.59 | ZorbaBeta | I suppose "to" would be more accurate |
| 11:32.16 | Adys | When right clicking a buff I often get "bagnon has been blocked from doing an action only available to the blizzard ui". Any way to track down what the issue is? |
| 11:32.40 | Fisker | ZorbaBeta yeah once you get on their list it's very hard to get off (that's what she said) |
| 11:33.42 | ZorbaBeta | would've been even better if I'd never gotten on in the first place |
| 11:34.48 | Fisker | Does it really matter when it's a dedicated account? |
| 11:35.04 | ZorbaBeta | not hugely, but I'd have to do some work in order to block it |
| 11:35.19 | ZorbaBeta | and it would have been nice for wowstead to, y'know, not leak my email to spammers |
| 11:37.54 | Fisker | they didn't |
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| 11:40.24 | ZorbaBeta | pretty sure they actually did |
| 11:41.20 | Fisker | they didn't, just got hax0red |
| 11:41.23 | Bluspacecow | i heard it was just a problem with their service provider |
| 11:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | close enough. they didn't send me an email notifying me about it, so |
| 11:41.40 | Bluspacecow | they posted on their facebook page about it |
| 11:41.45 | Bluspacecow | or was it twitter ? |
| 11:41.50 | Fisker | I don't even use wowstead and i knew about it |
| 11:42.07 | ZorbaBeta | I don't read their facebook page. they should be emailing people if their database gets compromised. |
| 11:43.30 | Bluspacecow | but did it ? |
| 11:43.43 | Fisker | That's what i understood |
| 11:43.43 | ZorbaBeta | it did, or I wouldn't be getting spam mail at that email addresses. :P |
| 11:44.03 | Fisker | The passwords were compromised as well |
| 11:44.12 | Fisker | since they didn't use adequate encryption |
| 11:44.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, and I certainly didn't get notified about that. basically what it comes down to is that they're incompetent on multiple levels. |
| 11:44.44 | Bluspacecow | not very good logic IMHO .... i have a friend who has a grandma with a compute r.. only plays solitare on it ... never been to a wow site ... never played wow ... still gets gold seller emails |
| 11:45.18 | ZorbaBeta | bluspacecow, no, I mean, I use a unique email address for every website. |
| 11:45.19 | Fisker | Except the logic is that we know they lost both passwords and emails to hackers |
| 11:45.25 | Fisker | how is pretty much irrelevant |
| 11:45.29 | Bluspacecow | http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=116808895014037&id=164228716868 |
| 11:45.31 | Bluspacecow | proof ? |
| 11:45.38 | ZorbaBeta | I have only given that address out once, ever, to anyone, and that was wowstead. it's long enough and custom enough that it won't be guessed. |
| 11:47.50 | Fisker | Bluspacecow and a couple of days later they mention not to use the same details on your wow account as your wowstead account |
| 11:48.06 | Fisker | either they didn't know by then, but did later on, or they're just trying to cover it up |
| 11:48.07 | Bluspacecow | well thats just simple security logic |
| 11:48.14 | Bluspacecow | you shouldn't be doing that anyway |
| 11:48.42 | Fisker | They even posted on their own forums they had to changed to salted encryption for the future |
| 11:48.54 | Bluspacecow | meh |
| 11:48.58 | Bluspacecow | don't use wow stead then |
| 11:49.00 | Fisker | so if they're seriously trying to go "lol no we weren't hacked" then i'm just gonna /facepalm at it |
| 11:49.03 | Fisker | i don't |
| 11:49.04 | ZorbaBeta | "not that anything happened, but, you know, just in case! :D" |
| 11:49.09 | Bluspacecow | go in your account and fill it with trash data |
| 11:49.19 | Bluspacecow | throw away email address |
| 11:49.24 | Bluspacecow | long ass password you forget |
| 11:49.37 | Bluspacecow | P_P battery on cellphone dying /cry |
| 11:49.38 | Fisker | yes just in case ZorbaBeta ! |
| 11:49.42 | ZorbaBeta | bluspace, eh, it's not like they can do anything worse at this point. I just don't use them for anything else, recommend people away from them, and laugh at their incompetence :) |
| 11:50.30 | Fisker | Well they've been shaped up quite a bit since they got picked up by curse |
| 11:50.44 | Bluspacecow | the incident i was talking about was months ago sorry |
| 11:51.04 | Fisker | half a year actually |
| 11:51.13 | Fisker | And that sounds about right as far as i recall |
| 11:51.29 | Fisker | but i don't know if that coincides with ZorbaBeta's getting of spam |
| 11:51.30 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I could believe that |
| 11:51.35 | ZorbaBeta | the timeframe sounds roughly right |
| 11:51.45 | Bluspacecow | Fisker did not succedd in stealing my phone charger] |
| 11:51.47 | Bluspacecow | Huh! |
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| 11:52.42 | Bluspacecow | -_- closed the window again |
| 11:53.36 | Napoleone | are there going to be new glyphs |
| 11:53.53 | ZorbaBeta | I'm pretty sure there already are |
| 11:54.01 | Napoleone | boring then |
| 11:58.31 | Napoleone | hmm who used wim editor? |
| 11:59.27 | mitch0 | wim or vim? |
| 11:59.34 | Napoleone | vim |
| 11:59.39 | mitch0 | then yes |
| 11:59.57 | Napoleone | i'm confused as hell downloading it.. and running it |
| 12:00.05 | Napoleone | not a uber geek on the svn and shit scene. |
| 12:00.17 | mitch0 | svn? |
| 12:00.22 | mitch0 | just download the installer? |
| 12:00.32 | Napoleone | the stuff i could i had to get it through the svn |
| 12:01.43 | Napoleone | wow i was tired when i saw this the other time lol |
| 12:01.45 | Napoleone | i'm dead blind ;P |
| 12:09.44 | Adys | nevcairiel: poke |
| 12:09.59 | Adys | nevcairiel: mapster is very buggy in 4.0.3a; or am I just out of date? |
| 12:10.58 | Maldivia | Adys: you're always out of date... |
| 12:11.10 | Adys | :( |
| 12:11.15 | Torhal | Adys: World-shattering events tend to make maps obsolete. |
| 12:11.15 | Adys | mean and uncalled for |
| 12:11.17 | Torhal | :D |
| 12:11.17 | Adys | I shall sue you |
| 12:11.32 | Bluspacecow | sue suery sue suery sue sue sharry |
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| 12:12.35 | Torhal | http://fukung.net/v/34600/f985b9317710fb2ebf8f60a0180c0244.jpg |
| 12:13.24 | Adys | Im running the last version off curse |
| 12:13.28 | Adys | which was updated couple weeks ago |
| 12:14.22 | Kalroth | hot |
| 12:14.29 | Adys | u |
| 12:15.29 | Adys | As a destruction warlock where should I put my non-destruction points? |
| 12:15.35 | Adys | i got two in imp life tap but thats it |
| 12:16.19 | Maldivia | there's always more stamina :) |
| 12:18.30 | Adys | mmh? |
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| 12:31.26 | Mikk | Torhal: awesome =) |
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| 12:40.32 | Torhal | Mikk: :D |
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| 13:23.50 | Adys | Kalroth: there's one hope! And as usual, it's Norwegian. |
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| 13:42.36 | Kalroth | Adys: what the hell why would you say that |
| 13:42.44 | Kalroth | Adys: its wrong on so many levels |
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| 14:16.55 | Maldivia | Adys: heheh e:) |
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| 14:27.19 | Nobgul | Morning all |
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| 14:36.04 | Maldivia | Adys: but atleast the bachman turners are set to overdrive :) |
| 14:39.30 | Fisker | jeeeeeeeeeerk |
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| 14:44.54 | Ackis | hi Fisker |
| 14:44.56 | Ackis | are you exalted yet? |
| 14:47.23 | Nobgul | Ackis, With that bridewater grp? |
| 14:48.03 | Fisker | yeah Ackis |
| 14:48.07 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/fiskerdin/ <-don't i look grim? |
| 14:48.23 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 14:48.32 | Nobgul | Nice gear Fisker |
| 14:48.38 | Fisker | k? |
| 14:49.13 | Nobgul | Ill trade you my pally for your pally =P |
| 14:51.11 | Fisker | k |
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| 15:14.02 | Fisker | I just figured something out jnwhiteh |
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| 15:14.14 | Fisker | and i'm kind of embarrassed |
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| 15:15.14 | Nobgul | lol anyone see the google logo today >_< |
| 15:15.41 | Fisker | standard her |
| 15:15.42 | Fisker | here |
| 15:16.26 | Nobgul | ah it may be by region. |
| 15:16.36 | Nobgul | Its a full turkey meal with hoverover recipies |
| 15:16.48 | Fisker | indeededly |
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| 15:21.11 | Bluspacecow | anyone know where the nearest horde inn is in ashenvale ? |
| 15:22.26 | Bluspacecow | nv |
| 15:22.28 | Bluspacecow | m' |
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| 15:28.22 | Bluspacecow | sleeeeeeeeeeep |
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| 15:35.33 | TechDevout | O hai! |
| 15:36.20 | industrial | sighhhhhhhh |
| 15:36.23 | industrial | endless loading screens ftl |
| 15:36.35 | industrial | I dont like the new updater :( just od it at once and be done with it |
| 15:36.50 | Fisker | ? |
| 15:37.16 | industrial | and why would I want to be loading stuff for Char A when logging into city X when I've already been there 10 mins ago with Character B? what's there to load? log me in NAO |
| 15:37.33 | TechDevout | :( |
| 15:37.49 | industrial | yesterday I logged in and was stuck in a sea of nothingness as I rode the taxi to un-goro |
| 15:37.52 | TechDevout | Be glad that you can play properly. |
| 15:37.53 | Fisker | items and/or players? |
| 15:38.16 | TechDevout | My graphics card died, and I'm stuck with the onboard for a month. |
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| 15:42.54 | mitch0 | tech: I play with an onboard hd4250, too ;) |
| 15:43.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 15:43.49 | Fisker | nevermind |
| 15:43.52 | Fisker | or is it? |
| 15:44.01 | Fisker | i can't recall you're cladhaire right? |
| 15:44.05 | TechDevout | mitch0: Believe me, I'd be happy to have an onboard HD 4250. |
| 15:44.15 | Fisker | oh yeah jnwhiteh |
| 15:44.16 | TechDevout | But an Intel G33? |
| 15:44.37 | Fisker | 1x Bad argument #4 to 'Astrolabe.TomTom\libs\Astrolabe\Astrolabe.lua:862' (number expected, got nil): <-QQ jnwhiteh ? |
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| 15:44.53 | TechDevout | We're talking going from a GeForce 9800GT 512 to a GeForce 3 equivalent is rough. |
| 15:44.59 | TechDevout | *which is rough |
| 15:45.32 | Fisker | naw |
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| 15:48.03 | Ackis | watches Fisker rage on jnwhiteh |
| 15:48.48 | Fisker | naw Ackis |
| 15:48.49 | Fisker | moo robokitty ! |
| 15:48.50 | Fisker | moooooo |
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| 15:57.07 | nevcairiel | Adys: its still somewhat buggy, and i wont have time to fix it before tomorrow evening. You can grab the alpha of wowace if you want partial fixes |
| 15:57.12 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:57.53 | Fisker | didn't we get an ingame event where garrosh kills cairne? |
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| 16:10.02 | smcn | he was still alive during the elemental invasion |
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| 16:13.46 | robokitty | Fusker, nah, we had to settle for that story being explained in the Tauren intro |
| 16:14.43 | nevcairiel | its probably in the novel |
| 16:17.01 | Ackis | Fisker: you have to read the novel |
| 16:17.03 | Ackis | which is retarded |
| 16:17.35 | nevcairiel | the novel is actually really good |
| 16:18.17 | Ackis | I just disagree with being forced to read it for a major change in the game |
| 16:18.29 | Ackis | tbh I don't really like how everything changed overnight |
| 16:19.26 | Ackis | overnight everything got destroyed, it would've been nice to have it phase in over a few weeks |
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| 16:21.37 | nevcairiel | deathwing is powerful, he just needs one night to destroy the world |
| 16:22.05 | Thunder_Child | awesome, i took a ride on a giant pink box, and now i broke my char :( |
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| 16:26.58 | smcn | that's why i stay away from fat chicks |
| 16:27.46 | Thunder_Child | i'm not so sure you do |
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| 16:54.20 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: one of your addons is using Astrolabe-0.4 |
| 16:54.27 | jnwhiteh | this apparently fucks Astrolabe-1.0 in the head |
| 16:54.31 | jnwhiteh | or vice versa |
| 16:54.38 | jnwhiteh | I suggest you update whatever addon is using the old version of Astrolabe |
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| 17:17.04 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: but it's more fun to blame tomtom |
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| 17:26.25 | Thunder_Child | Bibi`: you need to slap Chaud upside the head |
| 17:26.36 | Bibi` | Thunder_Child: ok |
| 17:26.40 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 17:26.41 | Bibi` | but I slap you first |
| 17:26.57 | Ackis | only if you're naked Bibi` |
| 17:27.01 | Thunder_Child | hey, i'm not the one putting green HDD's in a gaming computer |
| 17:27.47 | Bibi` | Ackis shut up |
| 17:27.51 | Bibi` | you're not even here when i talk to you |
| 17:27.52 | Bibi` | we're done |
| 17:28.08 | nevcairiel | his setup was kinda weird anyway |
| 17:28.11 | Ackis | I was in bed |
| 17:28.14 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:28.21 | nevcairiel | i alos havent seen much builds posted on the web that include a monitor |
| 17:28.21 | Bibi` | nevcairiel |
| 17:28.33 | Bibi` | 1. I'm the one who pushed for monitor |
| 17:28.37 | Bibi` | 2. people NEVER agree on hardware |
| 17:28.38 | Bibi` | EVER. |
| 17:29.02 | Bibi` | I've seen people bashing him to death for the Xigmatek CPU Fan |
| 17:29.07 | Bibi` | and people praise him for it |
| 17:29.14 | nevcairiel | 1. then you are the weird one, not surprising, french and all |
| 17:29.19 | Bibi` | 1. fuck you. |
| 17:29.23 | Ackis | it's chaud, he deserves to be flamed |
| 17:30.25 | Thunder_Child | heh, Dal is so empty it's amazing |
| 17:30.26 | nevcairiel | but yeah, green drive in the "high end" is just funny :D |
| 17:30.59 | Bibi` | it was just to offer a non SSD choice, to be honest, at this point if you don't buy a SSD ... well ... there ... |
| 17:31.07 | Bibi` | don't call it high end. |
| 17:31.29 | Thunder_Child | ssd is great for speed, not so much for space |
| 17:31.53 | nevcairiel | a 120gb ssd wont get you far, you even have to push really hard to fit wow and some other game on there |
| 17:32.07 | nevcairiel | a gaming pc should have some real storage, but preferably also somewhat fast |
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| 17:37.45 | Amarande | BLIIIIIIIZZZZZAAARRRRRRRRD |
| 17:38.56 | Ackis | hey Bibi` I disagree with something you said in a random thread. I'm right, you're wrong, fix it nao! :P |
| 17:39.25 | Amarande | yay, only two days since patch and I got stuck in a rut |
| 17:39.31 | Amarande | I thought the world changes would *fix* ruts like that |
| 17:39.46 | Amarande | You know the kind. |
| 17:39.57 | Thunder_Child | hey Ackis, blow me |
| 17:40.05 | Amarande | The ones where they're shallow enough that you'll never die falling in, you're lucky if you even take damage. |
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| 17:40.13 | Amarande | But they're just deep enough that there is absolutely no way to jump out. :P |
| 17:40.17 | Ackis | blows Thunder_Child |
| 17:40.22 | Ackis | chokes on a small bone. |
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| 17:40.46 | Amarande | I just ran into one of those in WPL, and had the fun choice of either waiting 13 minutes for my hearth to be back up or teleporting all the way back to Ironforge and flying back, which will probably take ... the better part of 13 minutes |
| 17:41.30 | Dewin | use unstuck? |
| 17:41.39 | Dewin | which, while unlikely to unstick you, at least logs the location |
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| 17:41.53 | A-KO | sigh, fail |
| 17:42.01 | A-KO | it costs 3500 just points for the heirloom weapon |
| 17:42.05 | A-KO | 3500 |
| 17:42.11 | Amarande | A-KO: that's based on JP income at 85 |
| 17:42.21 | Amarande | yeah, at 80 it's a pain in the ass |
| 17:42.27 | Amarande | but I've only ever used heirlooms on one character anyway |
| 17:42.33 | Amarande | and now you level up so rapidly that you really don't need 'em |
| 17:42.57 | Amarande | even if you just take a gathering profession, you're likely to outlevel zones long before you finish all the quests in them |
| 17:43.13 | Amarande | don't think I've even done half the quests in WPL and I'm already 40 where I should be moving on to EPL |
| 17:43.25 | dardack_home | sigh moveanything and dominos are interfering each other on the vehicle leave button |
| 17:43.27 | Amarande | ooh sweet, and scholo's in my possible randoms now |
| 17:43.27 | A-KO | I've got 1 heirloom item on that char |
| 17:43.35 | Amarande | sadly, so is SM Cath, and I REALLY DON'T want to do SM Cath right now |
| 17:44.27 | Amarande | A-KO: remember that they nerfed XP from 71-80 now too |
| 17:45.21 | Amarande | and that you also gain XP from gathering, which is currently silly high ... more than mobs, which is especially insane in WPL as an herbalist because the herbs here seem to respawn like gangbusters, the Cenarions are really doing their job here |
| 17:46.41 | Fisker | Ackis i never blamed tomtom jerk |
| 17:46.47 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh all my addons are updated |
| 17:46.55 | jnwhiteh | that's not what I said. |
| 17:46.56 | Fisker | so i guess it's time to go addon huntin' |
| 17:47.02 | jnwhiteh | you need to update astrolabe 0.4 |
| 17:47.06 | jnwhiteh | if its used in any of your other addons |
| 17:47.11 | jnwhiteh | they may not be aware of the issue |
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| 17:49.14 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 17:49.22 | Fisker | if tomtom appears to be the only addon i can see using astrolabe |
| 17:49.23 | Fisker | then what? |
| 17:49.39 | jnwhiteh | then I'm confused =) |
| 17:49.42 | jnwhiteh | you on v1.0.4? |
| 17:49.45 | jnwhiteh | When does this happen? |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker | constantly |
| 17:50.18 | Fisker | Name: Astrolabe |
| 17:50.18 | Fisker | Revision: $Rev: 116 $ |
| 17:50.18 | Fisker | $Date: 2010-11-23 04:59:44 +0000 (Tue, 23 Nov 2010) $ |
| 17:50.51 | jnwhiteh | and whats the full error? |
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| 17:52.09 | Fisker | http://www.pastey.net/143281 |
| 17:52.14 | Fisker | there's a billion of them |
| 17:52.17 | Fisker | but there's one |
| 17:53.04 | Kalroth | fisker suxx |
| 17:53.16 | Fisker | you suxx my coxx |
| 17:53.31 | Kalroth | you wish! |
| 17:54.02 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: remove all of your waypoints |
| 17:54.18 | jnwhiteh | and see if you can reproduce it |
| 17:54.28 | jnwhiteh | then add a known waypoint |
| 17:54.30 | jnwhiteh | see if you can, etc. |
| 17:56.01 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: 4 min |
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| 18:07.59 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: gratz |
| 18:09.15 | DWSR | They changed Blood Boil's anim again? |
| 18:09.24 | Shirik | Any tor experts around? Is there a way I can force a request through a particular exit node? |
| 18:10.07 | nevcairiel | thats not the way of tor |
| 18:10.11 | Shirik | I know |
| 18:10.36 | Amarande | I think Gatherer might use Astrolabe. I don't have TomTom installed that I can recall, and I know I get messages about Astrolabe and Gatherer complaining about the new zones. |
| 18:11.13 | Fisker | remove them how jnwhiteh ? |
| 18:12.56 | airtonix | noob question about eclipse : how to change the tooltip background colour here : http://imagebin.org/124844 |
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| 18:13.34 | airtonix | is it controlled by my system appearance preferences ? |
| 18:14.40 | Fisker | there |
| 18:14.44 | Fisker | i deleted my SV jnwhiteh |
| 18:14.45 | Fisker | fixed it |
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| 18:16.24 | cogwheel | Ok... my desktop is totally jealous of my laptop now. FRAPS gets about 4x the framerate and adobe encodes about 60% faster than on my desktop. The only catch is i can't run with all graphic settings maxed. |
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| 18:16.57 | Dewin | Hmm. I just realized that the new login screen has some... content that SOMEBODY is going to discover and troll the forums with. |
| 18:17.04 | DWSR | cogwheel: Quad core? |
| 18:17.07 | cogwheel | yep |
| 18:17.08 | cogwheel | i7 |
| 18:17.24 | nicoli_s | i ove my i7 |
| 18:17.27 | nicoli_s | love* |
| 18:17.32 | Fisker | why get an i7 cogwheel ? |
| 18:17.47 | airtonix | Fisker, to annoy you |
| 18:17.52 | airtonix | are you annoyed? |
| 18:17.54 | airtonix | you should be |
| 18:17.55 | Fisker | doesn't annoy me |
| 18:17.58 | airtonix | why not |
| 18:18.03 | cogwheel | you're a droid and i'm a noid |
| 18:18.19 | airtonix | kinky |
| 18:18.39 | Amarande | I've sometimes thought of getting an i7 but I haven't felt like spending the money |
| 18:18.39 | Zhinjio | hey cogwheel. just watched your minecraft video. nicely done |
| 18:18.45 | Fisker | because people who get macs annoy me airtonix |
| 18:18.46 | Iriel | airtonix: I find eclipse's color configuration bizarre at the very least, so I dont know offhand, I generally end up in there for hours to find things. |
| 18:19.14 | cogwheel | =D |
| 18:19.24 | Iriel | beats Fisker |
| 18:19.25 | airtonix | Iriel, yeah i just tried changing my desktop environments appearance colour settings without any positive results |
| 18:19.31 | Kraps | eve online for 5 bucks |
| 18:19.44 | Iriel | airtonix: Mine has NEVER been that ugly, if that helps 8-) |
| 18:19.50 | airtonix | :( |
| 18:20.21 | airtonix | Kraps, is it ok if i use 10 doe instead ? |
| 18:20.22 | cogwheel | For anyone who wasn't around last night: Cogwheel's Minecraft Workshop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8fgKns_uw&p=597780A40D6C542B =) |
| 18:20.41 | Fisker | but why cogwheel |
| 18:20.42 | Fisker | WHY? |
| 18:20.48 | Iriel | is STILL stuck waiting for minecraft mania to update |
| 18:20.52 | Iriel | *sulk* |
| 18:20.55 | airtonix | so |
| 18:20.57 | airtonix | like |
| 18:20.59 | cogwheel | because if i get e-famous i can make muneez! |
| 18:21.01 | airtonix | what is minecraft |
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| 18:21.05 | Fisker | i'm waiting for minecraft to not suck |
| 18:21.11 | Fisker | cogwheel i'm talking about getting an i7 today |
| 18:21.14 | cogwheel | airtonix: an open-ended adventure sandbox of horror |
| 18:21.17 | airtonix | looks like populous on sega master system |
| 18:21.19 | cogwheel | Fisker: i'm holding out for sandy bridge |
| 18:21.20 | Kraps | airtonix: you can use dough |
| 18:21.30 | Iriel | Personally I turn off the horror and build stuff. |
| 18:21.39 | Iriel | Anyway, I must away to prepare stuffing and whatnot. |
| 18:21.48 | cogwheel | enjoy! |
| 18:22.04 | cogwheel | mmmmm stuuuuufinnnngggg |
| 18:22.06 | airtonix | is it populous + simcity + command&conqouer + irc ? |
| 18:22.31 | Zhinjio | its kind of like an 8 bit MUD |
| 18:22.53 | Zhinjio | but I'm quite sure we could come up with analogies all day long |
| 18:23.01 | cogwheel | yeah, it's really a unique experience |
| 18:23.21 | airtonix | :( |
| 18:24.20 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: let me know if it comes back! |
| 18:25.26 | Fisker | i doubt it does |
| 18:25.33 | Fisker | but you just got an i7 cogwheel ? |
| 18:27.50 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:28.07 | Fisker | i got this error when trying to access the menu(before i cleared my SV) just in case you could use it for anything: http://pastey.net/143283 |
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| 18:38.17 | Mera | anyone knows if blizzard allows to convert a ChatFrame lineId used to report spam with ComplainChat(lineId) to the text phrase it is referring to |
| 18:39.37 | Iriel | I'm not immediately aware of any function to do that, can you figure it out from the contents of the chat buffer? (YOu might have to store the lookup yourself, mind you)? |
| 18:40.54 | Mera | yeah I have a method which is to store the phrase in a table when the msg event occurs but was trying to find something else because it uses some memory |
| 18:41.36 | cogwheel | "but was trying to find something else because it uses some memory" |
| 18:41.44 | cogwheel | definition of premature optimization imo... |
| 18:42.53 | Iriel | Possibly - the memory use for a LARGE chat buffer is non-trivial, but it's also not like you have to allocate more memory than was already being allocated,; since the messages are created when the events fire, so it's more that garbage collection is delayed a bit. |
| 18:44.26 | Mera | ha yeah you are right |
| 18:45.00 | Mera | that's strange they did not something like GetMessage(lineId) |
| 18:45.34 | Adys | Iriel: is there a way to track down a call that results in a "<Addon> was prevented from doing an action reserved to Blizzard addons" ? |
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| 18:45.47 | cogwheel | taint log? |
| 18:45.49 | Adys | i got bagnon doing it on buff rightclicks |
| 18:46.18 | Adys | cogwheel: how do I enable it? |
| 18:46.22 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518903044 |
| 18:46.29 | Adys | Sweet |
| 18:46.53 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:47.01 | airtonix | Iriel, :( for some retarded reason my system colour scheme config uses text colour for background and background for text colour |
| 18:47.13 | airtonix | but just for tooltips |
| 18:47.39 | Nobgul | didnt they take out the insane in the mebrane achiv? |
| 18:49.26 | Adys | Nobgul: no, they just removed the shen dralar step |
| 18:50.04 | Ackis | people are bitching that it was the hardest part, but I found ravenholdt to be the hardest |
| 18:50.09 | Shirik | Does anyone see what's wrong with this command? |
| 18:50.12 | Shirik | http_proxy=http://localhost:9050; echo http_proxy; wget --proxy=on -q http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp -O - |
| 18:50.22 | Shirik | It's just giving back my IP |
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| 18:50.37 | airtonix | export http_proxy=blah |
| 18:50.38 | Shirik | (where 9050 is the tor port) |
| 18:50.45 | Shirik | doesn't export make it global? |
| 18:50.47 | Shirik | I don't want that |
| 18:50.52 | Shirik | I want this to be very temporary |
| 18:50.58 | airtonix | then why use http_proxy=??? |
| 18:51.03 | airtonix | use the wget parameter |
| 18:52.34 | Shirik | "the wget parameter" |
| 18:52.47 | Shirik | the one the man page says nothing except `use http_proxy` about? |
| 18:53.11 | airtonix | yea sorry, i forgot wget will use the environ unless you tell it not to |
| 18:53.32 | airtonix | so i think you don't need to stdin like your doing |
| 18:53.50 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18819_the-4-most-important-things-to-know-as-gamer-parent.html |
| 18:53.52 | Amarande | heh. this is an interesting quest thing |
| 18:54.09 | Amarande | Killed the guy on top of the tower in Hearthglen. *Gained* 325 rep with Argent Crusade for the quest to do so. |
| 18:54.12 | Shirik | I'm not using stdin at all... |
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| 18:54.16 | Amarande | ... and Daria tells me they won't be happy that I did it. :) |
| 18:54.23 | airtonix | Shirik, -O- |
| 18:54.25 | Amarande | Um, yeah, they won't be happy, that's why I gained rep with them for it. :blink |
| 18:54.29 | Shirik | that would be stdout |
| 18:54.43 | airtonix | whats the echo proxy thing for then ? |
| 18:55.02 | airtonix | so you know it's changed ? |
| 18:55.08 | Teomyr | http_proxy=http://localhost:9050 wget --proxy=on -q http://www.whatismyip.com/automation/n09230945.asp -O - |
| 18:55.13 | Teomyr | all in one line |
| 18:55.47 | Shirik | isn't that what I have? |
| 18:56.10 | airtonix | i don't see any parameter for --proxy=on |
| 18:56.18 | airtonix | not in my version at least |
| 18:56.29 | Teomyr | Shirik: if you don't use export, environment variables are only changed for the command on the same line |
| 18:56.32 | Shirik | doh |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 501 Tor is not an HTTP Proxy |
| 18:56.35 | Shirik | 2010-11-25 14:00:25 ERROR 501: Tor is not an HTTP Proxy. |
| 18:56.53 | Shirik | at least I'm getting somewhere |
| 18:56.59 | airtonix | Shirik, have you tried using privoxy with tor |
| 18:57.13 | Shirik | no and I have no intention to |
| 18:57.19 | Shirik | I'm not using tor for anonymity |
| 18:57.33 | airtonix | well privoxy isn't just for anon |
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| 19:04.02 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4 |
| 19:07.33 | kd3 | anyone have thoughts on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005145 |
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| 19:08.38 | nevcairiel | Its a TN panel :x |
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| 19:10.09 | nevcairiel | and a glossy screen, too. You should not value my input too much, its the type of screen i would not even use if it was for free |
| 19:12.04 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 19:12.09 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:12.27 | Fisker | an even worse problem is the 16:9 resolution nevcairiel |
| 19:12.33 | nevcairiel | oh that too |
| 19:13.08 | nevcairiel | stupid tvs for monitors |
| 19:16.35 | Mera | http://www.lesnumeriques.com very good site to compare screens |
| 19:17.23 | cbreak | whoa |
| 19:17.39 | cbreak | swiss francs to US$: exactly 1.0000 |
| 19:18.45 | Amarande | so apparently the patch screwed over Pilgrim's Bounty |
| 19:18.52 | Amarande | Alliance are complaining madly that now they can't do Pilgrim's Peril |
| 19:18.56 | nevcairiel | good, screw that shit |
| 19:19.08 | Amarande | nev: is there any way at all into TB for Alliance until flight comes out on 12/7? |
| 19:19.17 | nevcairiel | the world is in flames, and we're celebrating some stupid event |
| 19:19.24 | Amarande | or is that zone locked up tighter than Teldrassil was for Horde? |
| 19:19.27 | nevcairiel | sure there is |
| 19:19.34 | nevcairiel | you can just go around the gate |
| 19:19.41 | nevcairiel | and the tables are not in the city |
| 19:19.50 | Amarande | I mean, it seems like Mulgore is blocked off |
| 19:19.51 | nevcairiel | they are at the elevator |
| 19:19.55 | nevcairiel | just go around the gate |
| 19:20.06 | nevcairiel | you can pass on the side |
| 19:22.27 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS8pFJKUjfg |
| 19:24.45 | Amarande | ok, WPL is creepy, even if I love the content |
| 19:25.00 | Amarande | the background FX seriously make it sound like someone is heavily breathing somewhere in the room where I can't see them |
| 19:25.09 | kd3 | then it's doing its job |
| 19:26.39 | cbreak | nevcairiel: Saikano. Very depressing anime about, among other things, celebrating a stupid event while the world is in flames. |
| 19:26.51 | nevcairiel | what |
| 19:26.58 | kd3 | ooh. yeah, that was nasty |
| 19:27.06 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 19:27.07 | kd3 | shudders, thinking about it |
| 19:27.38 | Amarande | nevcairiel: also, traditional New Orleans funerals. Ever see the beginning of Live and Let Die where the funeral music suddenly goes all upbeat? :) |
| 19:27.52 | Amarande | also, didn't you read your pamphlets? you were supposed to read Finding Security and Comfort in a Doomed World and understand that you too can. :) |
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| 19:44.04 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 19:44.06 | Fisker | i'm a holy cow |
| 19:46.36 | airtonix | you're a loony is what you are |
| 19:47.13 | bleeter | wholly, completely, totally... loony |
| 19:47.55 | airtonix | i reckon fisker is actually the pilot from the A-Team |
| 19:48.16 | airtonix | certifiable |
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| 19:52.10 | bleeter | I suspect Fisker is the bloke who told George Lucas that (a) JarJar Binks was a good idea (b) the three prequels are awesome |
| 19:52.24 | airtonix | kd3, things i would look for in a monitor: not glossy, stand doesn't interfere with the VESA mounting holes, has hdmi, dvi and vga, doesn't require power pack |
| 19:53.19 | kd3 | glossy doesn't bother me for desktop monitors. just on laptops where I can't control the lighting |
| 19:54.17 | airtonix | true |
| 19:54.25 | Fisker | things i would look for in a monitor: not 16:9 |
| 19:54.36 | airtonix | and i always arrange my desk so that any windows are not facing my screens |
| 19:55.37 | airtonix | oh and it would be nice if the configuration buttons were not on the sides of the monitor |
| 19:55.49 | bleeter | things I would look for in a monitor: ability to display a picture to a high degree of accuracy |
| 19:55.57 | airtonix | yeah |
| 19:56.04 | airtonix | dot pitch needs to be as small as possible |
| 19:56.19 | DWSR | airtonix: I /think/ Bleeter's trolling you |
| 19:56.22 | DWSR | Just saying. |
| 19:56.28 | airtonix | :( |
| 19:56.32 | bleeter | DWSR: never |
| 19:56.43 | bleeter | other things I look for in a monitor: cake |
| 19:56.55 | bleeter | I am still looking, btw |
| 19:57.36 | airtonix | http://jazzedcook.com/fotki_irishki/luda_002.JPG |
| 19:59.29 | Amarande | So apparently rez sickness is now required to go back and do some of the old content |
| 20:00.36 | DWSR | ? |
| 20:01.51 | Amarande | DWSR: there's a few quests that are ultra low level *AND* require you to "get mob down to X%" to do something |
| 20:02.09 | Amarande | apparently at 60+, even getting naked on some classes is not enough |
| 20:02.23 | Amarande | you need the damage debuff as well to not one-shot them from above the threshold to dead |
| 20:02.52 | taroven | Fists out and just pummel em down? |
| 20:04.04 | Fisker | i'm bored airtonix |
| 20:04.55 | Amarande | taroven: might work for pure casters; for classes that have decent physical ability, the mobs still just die |
| 20:05.07 | taroven | True. |
| 20:05.20 | Amarande | it makes trying to start the ravasaur chain at 80 seem easy. |
| 20:08.58 | Tuller | things i looked for in a monitor: IPS panel, 16:10 |
| 20:09.10 | Tuller | as I read text from a while ago |
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| 20:10.05 | foxlit | Hm, is outdoor ZG phased or something? |
| 20:10.17 | nevcairiel | Tuller: indeed! |
| 20:10.32 | Fisker | maybe foxlit |
| 20:10.56 | DWSR | foxlit: Nothing in it ATM |
| 20:11.13 | foxlit | That's just it |
| 20:11.19 | Amarande | [15:08:50] You receive loot: [Swiftwind]. |
| 20:11.21 | foxlit | Why remove an instance to put a big fat nothing in its place? :) |
| 20:11.28 | DWSR | It /will/ be a leveling zone. |
| 20:11.29 | Amarande | [15:10:35] You receive loot: [Swiftwind]. |
| 20:11.41 | Amarande | Two of the same rare crossbow twice in two minutes. |
| 20:11.44 | Tuller | hey nevcairiel figure out why tullaCC could taint the new raid frames, without having any interaction with them minus creating child frames :P |
| 20:11.47 | foxlit | odd, I thought they pushed cata content already |
| 20:12.15 | foxlit | [with the implicit assumption that it's /all/ done.] |
| 20:12.33 | DWSR | foxlit: They did. |
| 20:12.38 | DWSR | It's not just available. |
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| 20:13.30 | foxlit | See, I don't get that. When does it magically become populated? |
| 20:13.37 | nevcairiel | Did someone actually leave through northern strangle if it maybe unlocks with phasing? |
| 20:13.44 | nevcairiel | level* |
| 20:15.24 | Tuller | hrm, new theory: object:ClearAllPoints(); may blowup if you have a "child:SetAllPoints(object)" where child is insecure |
| 20:15.53 | nevcairiel | I dont see how |
| 20:16.09 | Tuller | hence the theory part |
| 20:16.13 | nevcairiel | I have stuff setallpoints on my action buttons, and i clearallpoints them just fine |
| 20:17.02 | Tuller | given "11/9 17:51:05.266 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from tullaCC - CompactRaidFrame1:ClearAllPoints()" |
| 20:17.09 | Tuller | that's all I can think of for why it may not work |
| 20:17.44 | nevcairiel | the command fails because execution was tained before |
| 20:17.48 | nevcairiel | not becauise the command is broken |
| 20:19.03 | Xyphoid | yeah as far as i'm aware you can go do the STV quests now and see the phased ZG |
| 20:19.10 | Xyphoid | just like phased IF airport |
| 20:19.32 | nevcairiel | in whatever function its trying to call that, its reading some tained variable or function before |
| 20:21.40 | Tuller | that still leaves me wondering what would cause that on my end, if anything |
| 20:22.08 | nevcairiel | enable the taint log, preferably at setting 2, and browse through the log |
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| 20:22.56 | Tuller | i'm shooting for the simple question: "do you get the issue with all other addons disabled?" |
| 20:23.22 | nevcairiel | you didnt reproduce it yourself, eh |
| 20:23.23 | Fisker | hey Tuller |
| 20:23.26 | Fisker | stop freezing my client |
| 20:23.42 | Tuller | Fisker and how would I be doing that? |
| 20:23.51 | Fisker | ludwig my friend |
| 20:23.57 | Adys | Tuller |
| 20:23.57 | Tuller | ludwig was discontinued :P |
| 20:23.59 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/279954/ |
| 20:24.04 | Adys | Any idea whats going on here? |
| 20:24.20 | Fisker | i'm farting Tuller |
| 20:24.41 | Tuller | Adys my theory there relies on another addon doing something funny :P |
| 20:24.49 | Tuller | probably an ace3 one of some sort |
| 20:25.05 | Adys | hmm; why would it blame bagnon though? |
| 20:25.12 | Adys | (note this is bagnon 1) |
| 20:25.16 | Tuller | bagnon 1? |
| 20:25.19 | nevcairiel | index is a global thats being leaked in that WoW function |
| 20:25.30 | nevcairiel | if bagnon were to leak an "index" global as well |
| 20:25.32 | nevcairiel | .. there you go |
| 20:25.43 | Adys | oh you rock |
| 20:26.07 | Adys | except hm |
| 20:26.08 | airtonix | nevcairiel, was i talking to you about the consistancy of ui appearance in android or was that jnwhiteh ? |
| 20:26.15 | Adys | theres no "index" global anywhere |
| 20:26.30 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/279956/ |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | no variable caleld "index" in bagnon? |
| 20:26.43 | Adys | only locals |
| 20:27.29 | nevcairiel | maybe its calling some function in WoW thats leaking an index as well |
| 20:27.40 | Adys | bah |
| 20:27.44 | nevcairiel | easiest is to run it with taintlog 2 and check where the index is being tainted |
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| 20:28.54 | Adys | the annoying part is it goes away on reloadui |
| 20:28.57 | Tuller | index is a global there |
| 20:29.04 | Tuller | in that buff frame function :P |
| 20:29.23 | Adys | Interface\FrameXML\BuffFrame.lua:315 BuffFrame_UpdateAllBuffAnchors() |
| 20:29.24 | Adys | that? |
| 20:29.27 | Tuller | or not |
| 20:29.28 | Amarande | so now that the forsaken have val'kyrs, they should let you choose that model if you play a female one. :) |
| 20:30.28 | nevcairiel | Adys: thats where the execution is tainted, you need to find when the variable is tainted |
| 20:30.44 | Tuller | actually wait, yes it is |
| 20:32.24 | Adys | nothing i can fix here |
| 20:32.43 | Tuller | so what's the global reference code jamber for lua? |
| 20:32.52 | foxlit | taintlogs, even at their most verbose, usually don't tell you the whole story anyway |
| 20:33.03 | nevcairiel | taintlog 2 tells you the whole story |
| 20:33.05 | Computerpunk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.08 | Tuller | if there's an error in bagnon, odds are, its that I forgot to say local somewhere |
| 20:33.11 | nevcairiel | it tells you a lot more too, though |
| 20:33.15 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I wish. |
| 20:33.16 | nevcairiel | finding the story is the problem |
| 20:33.44 | foxlit | Doesn't report tainting locals |
| 20:33.48 | foxlit | and doesn't report tainting from locals |
| 20:33.58 | foxlit | i.e. "good luck!" |
| 20:34.35 | nevcairiel | how is that really important, you need some kind of global that introduced taint there in the first place anyway |
| 20:35.01 | Tuller | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143285 |
| 20:35.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: you'll never know what that global was, basically |
| 20:35.34 | Tuller | line 18 is the blizzard problem, assuming that their code has not changed since they first uploaded their new ui jamber |
| 20:35.39 | nevcairiel | read the function, check which globals it reads, check your taint log |
| 20:36.06 | nevcairiel | the execution would get tainted when reading the global too |
| 20:36.09 | nevcairiel | which should show up in the log |
| 20:36.17 | foxlit | You're oversimplifying, unfortunately. |
| 20:36.18 | nevcairiel | even when the local doesnt |
| 20:36.34 | Fisker | Tuller |
| 20:36.35 | Fisker | i like you |
| 20:36.37 | Fisker | *smiles* |
| 20:36.42 | Tuller | scary |
| 20:36.50 | foxlit | Some combination of addons ends up tainting the "Open GM Ticket" button |
| 20:36.55 | nevcairiel | It is that simple, once you found the important parts in the taint log. That, however, is usually not so simple :d |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | I can't reliably reproduce it, but I've had multiple reports |
| 20:37.18 | foxlit | The actual "action failed" function reads no globals |
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| 20:37.33 | nevcairiel | And yeah, figuring out how to reproduce it is more important anyway |
| 20:37.36 | foxlit | It executes from an xml handler, reads a pair of locals, and calls the function |
| 20:37.38 | nevcairiel | Like with all problems in software |
| 20:37.41 | nevcairiel | reproduction is key |
| 20:37.59 | foxlit | the *locals* are somehow tainted. How? The taintlog won't tell you |
| 20:38.18 | Ose | when I hover a herb/mine/skinnable corpse it tells me what skill is required to gather said resource. is that core wow or one of my extensions? |
| 20:38.23 | nevcairiel | not directly, because it would be insanely evil to put all tainted locals in there |
| 20:38.33 | foxlit | Which brings me back to "foxlit: taintlogs, even at their most verbose, usually don't tell you the whole story anyway" |
| 20:38.39 | nevcairiel | like, every local any addon uses is tainted |
| 20:38.56 | nevcairiel | They tell you the story, they just dont write a easy to read summary for you :D |
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| 20:40.42 | foxlit | We've just agreed that they don't tell you when locals are tainted, yeah? :) |
| 20:41.03 | Tuller | well, forum post made for that at least |
| 20:41.30 | nevcairiel | Sure. But its not necessarily required, as no taint can be introduced without tainting some global |
| 20:41.35 | nevcairiel | you just need to trace the taint yourself |
| 20:42.04 | foxlit | Yes, problem is, "Execution tainted while reading FOO" is pretty useless when you don't know what that ends up causing |
| 20:42.40 | foxlit | At which point, you just need the whole FrameXML in your head to figure out the call chain that went wrong :) |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 20:42.54 | nevcairiel | i have not found a taint that i couldnt trace back to its source |
| 20:43.27 | nevcairiel | Easiest, of course, is one thats reliably reproducable |
| 20:43.53 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/13117/HelpFrame.lua#315 |
| 20:44.13 | foxlit | NewGMTicket call there fails for some reason under some circumstances. |
| 20:44.14 | Kraps | Donna: "Who's the crybaby, crybaby!" William: "No fair! Gimme back my gorilla!" |
| 20:44.25 | Kraps | sweet sweet justice |
| 20:44.56 | bleeter | I find it disturbing that Anduin's clearly gained 5-10 years, yet those kids haven't |
| 20:45.18 | Xyphoid | so what are the best new starting areas |
| 20:45.32 | Xyphoid | UD almost made me wet myself laughing |
| 20:45.37 | bleeter | Xyphoid: they're the ones that have chars at level 1 |
| 20:46.05 | Fisker | fart Tuller |
| 20:46.06 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you dont have some addon that overwrites SecondsToTime for prettier numbers, have you |
| 20:46.34 | DWSR | Does anyone know the answer to the following: If you login to WoW with an account that's frozen but flagged with Cata, will the background downloader still start downloading Cata to your computer? |
| 20:46.37 | foxlit | I don't, but then again, I'm not sure I can trigger that error now |
| 20:46.41 | Kraps | zome SW has a disney castle |
| 20:46.47 | Fisker | Tuller farts |
| 20:46.58 | Tuller | sadly ,not at the moment |
| 20:47.06 | foxlit | Besides, most people reporting it haven't been able to *trigger it again*, which is even more mysterious |
| 20:47.09 | nevcairiel | Just trace the calls that write to those 2 uplvaues |
| 20:47.26 | nevcairiel | if you happen to get your hands on a taintlog 2 of those, its even easier |
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| 20:47.58 | foxlit | I did, at some point, have one, but it wasn't that interesting. |
| 20:48.19 | nevcairiel | Its only writing to those 2 uplvaues in the OnEvent |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | some global its using in there is probably tainted |
| 20:48.36 | nevcairiel | most likely one of the events thats not happening so often |
| 20:50.40 | nevcairiel | Anyhow, in functions that use upvalues, its a bit trickier to track, but luckily not much of blizzard code does |
| 20:52.28 | Kraps | the area behind sw winnnnnnnnnn |
| 20:52.44 | nevcairiel | the portal island? |
| 20:53.34 | Xyphoid | so that stuff about magni turning to stone, is he actually around to look at? |
| 20:54.03 | foxlit | no |
| 20:54.09 | foxlit | presumably not |
| 20:54.10 | Jamash | he went down to old ironforge |
| 20:54.21 | Jamash | which may or may not even exist anymore |
| 20:54.24 | foxlit | oil rigs in cape of stranglethorn, that's pretty win |
| 20:54.30 | Jamash | yeah |
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| 20:56.31 | Xyphoid | so i got through the pretty nifty new dun morogh, and the third quest in loch modan is collect 8 bear asses |
| 20:56.38 | Xyphoid | this kind of feels phoned in |
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| 20:58.15 | Kraps | gilneas chicks are hot |
| 20:58.41 | foxlit | it's a bear ass-based economy :) |
| 20:58.58 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: the "Open GM Ticket" button gets tainted? i know what taints the submitting of GM tickets |
| 20:59.21 | foxlit | hm? |
| 21:00.35 | Arrowmaster | hooking the clicking of chat links will taint submitting because if somebody shiftclicks a name or item to add it to the gm ticket frames text it taints when it calls editbox:GetText() |
| 21:00.52 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 21:01.19 | Arrowmaster | i even posted fixed code on the forums for blizzard to fix it but i dont think they ever did |
| 21:01.45 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: win. |
| 21:01.57 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:02.11 | Fisker | us or eu forums Arrowmaster ? |
| 21:02.15 | Arrowmaster | us |
| 21:02.22 | bleeter | oh yeah that's been bust for... long as I care to remember. |
| 21:02.30 | Arrowmaster | it was in the taint sticky and even addressed directly to zootfizzle |
| 21:02.31 | Fisker | weird |
| 21:02.36 | Fisker | Blizzard usually only ignores EU |
| 21:02.50 | Fisker | must be an ui thing |
| 21:03.12 | bleeter | it's complete horseshit as the naming rules were changed to permit 'weird' letters in names, as reporting people to a ticket was as easy as shift clicking the name |
| 21:03.18 | bleeter | 'cept it taints the frame and freaks it out |
| 21:03.24 | bleeter | iirc |
| 21:03.47 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: if it's what I'm thinking of, that is |
| 21:04.00 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 21:04.22 | bleeter | yeah, well the bug's been there since the name restrictions were relaxed. and you're not the only one who's reported it. |
| 21:04.36 | Arrowmaster | i was the one that discovered it i think |
| 21:04.55 | Arrowmaster | i posted this back when zootfizzle was supposedly still on the wow ui team |
| 21:05.10 | bleeter | I recall finding it the first week of the name relaxtion foo |
| 21:05.24 | Arrowmaster | did you discover the cause or that it was just an issue? |
| 21:05.29 | bleeter | so I guess we would've been around same time. |
| 21:05.57 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: depends. I knew there was an issue with the shiftclick of names. ;) |
| 21:06.31 | Arrowmaster | the fix is for them to securecall() the editbox:GetText() call |
| 21:06.33 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: not that it matters who found it first, just that there have been a number of bug reports. the GM forum is/was aware of it as being an issue for people reporting, etc. |
| 21:07.09 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh or Iriel might know who to yell at now to try and get them to fix it |
| 21:07.10 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I just love it when a new feature never works, is reported as not working, and goes unfixed for years ;) |
| 21:07.54 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I mean, if it were somehting not related to tickets and GM interaction, I could understand it not being a priority. But given that it directly hits customer experience... well... ;) |
| 21:08.14 | Arrowmaster | it is a major issue imho that should be fixed |
| 21:08.26 | bleeter | Of course, Blizz wouldn't know how many people 'hit' the bug, because like me, they probably go 'taint wtf oh screw it I won't report' |
| 21:08.41 | bleeter | so they never hear from people 'I got a taint so had to resubmit' |
| 21:09.07 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: any issue that stops customers providing feedback to HQ is a major issue for any software ;) |
| 21:09.14 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 21:09.40 | Arrowmaster | although the feedbackui has always had that issue too because the bastards dont make it secure |
| 21:09.45 | Arrowmaster | but thats only on ptrs |
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| 21:10.27 | bleeter | oh well, one can but hope for a fix reasonably soon. as you allude, can't be that hard to secure this shit down ;) |
| 21:10.54 | Arrowmaster | its maybe a 5 lines of code change max |
| 21:11.09 | Arrowmaster | because i think you have to make a new function to call with securecall |
| 21:12.47 | foxlit | The proper fix is probably for the shift-click hooks. |
| 21:12.56 | Fisker | i once killed an ui guy |
| 21:12.58 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 21:13.26 | foxlit | The GM button isn't the only thing having a problem because of that mess. |
| 21:13.30 | Arrowmaster | sometimes you want to completely override the default behavior and you cant do that without a prehook |
| 21:14.00 | foxlit | There is no secure behavior on shift-clicking chat, though |
| 21:14.31 | foxlit | So they should just provide a function you can pre-hook without tainting everything. |
| 21:14.34 | Kraps | theres a huge cemetery in sw |
| 21:14.46 | Arrowmaster | ok yeah they could fix it that way |
| 21:15.00 | Kraps | with a memorial to queen wrynn |
| 21:15.06 | Arrowmaster | like they did with the on tab press for the editbox i think |
| 21:16.14 | foxlit | Or chat filters, or slash commands |
| 21:16.59 | Amarande | too bad it's not a memorial to varian. the expansion that sees him off will probably be extremely popular. |
| 21:18.42 | Mirrormn | recommendations for a LBD display for experience per hour? |
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| 21:48.16 | Computerpunk_ | http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/object-inspector.aspx :o |
| 21:48.19 | Computerpunk_ | Should be ported to WoW. |
| 21:48.19 | Computerpunk_ | xD |
| 21:52.06 | Fisker | Computerpunk_ |
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| 21:53.14 | Angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 21:53.55 | Angayelle | i'm looking for a way to parse the tooltip we have when hovering a buff |
| 21:54.08 | bleeter | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XhnZlmLGK8 |
| 21:54.25 | Angayelle | ofc without having to hovering it |
| 21:55.13 | Yssaril | Computerpunk_: look at tekkubs spew |
| 21:55.34 | Yssaril | Computerpunk_: with that you can dump variables to a window |
| 21:55.55 | Yssaril | or you cna use the build in /dump command but thats not as easily read |
| 21:56.09 | Yssaril | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10349-Spew.html |
| 21:56.17 | Computerpunk_ | saw it |
| 21:56.27 | Computerpunk_ | different from what object inspector does |
| 21:56.37 | Computerpunk_ | nothings beats the good old window text |
| 21:57.07 | Angayelle | using GameTooltipTextLeft<num>:GetText() force me to hover the buff |
| 21:57.16 | Yssaril | does the same thing just looks different imo |
| 21:58.27 | Yssaril | Angayelle: for parsing tooltips for data you usually want to create your own tooltip and add the relevant data to it and then parse it |
| 21:59.53 | Angayelle | is there a command to add tooltip text to a frame ? |
| 22:00.09 | Angayelle | aka "relevant data" |
| 22:00.51 | Yssaril | Angayelle: you create a new frame of type data and then you have access to all the same command as you would with the gametooltip http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip |
| 22:00.57 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 22:01.41 | bleeter | Fisker: do u liek ur breastmilk glowing in teh dark? |
| 22:01.47 | Yssaril | Angayelle: GameTooltip:SetUnitAura("unit", index [, "filter"]) is probably what you are looking for |
| 22:02.20 | Angayelle | oho i didn't saw theses api on wowpedia |
| 22:03.12 | Yssaril | Angayelle: wowprogramming.com tends to have a more uptodate reference section |
| 22:03.48 | Yssaril | on wowpedia it can be found at http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_API#GameTooltip |
| 22:05.48 | Fisker | why would i care bleeter? |
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| 22:18.37 | bleeter | Fisker: personally, I like to see where I'm going |
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| 22:35.24 | Adys | What's the best zone for a lvl 50 post-cata? |
| 22:36.47 | Shirik | is there an easy way to trash the entire history of a git repository? |
| 22:36.50 | Shirik | I know it sounds stupid |
| 22:37.16 | Shirik | just delete .git and init? |
| 22:37.27 | DWSR | yes |
| 22:37.38 | Shirik | I would have hoped I wouldn't have to go through and add everything |
| 22:37.44 | DWSR | git add * |
| 22:38.00 | Shirik | you make evil assumptions |
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| 22:38.21 | DWSR | such as? You have only things you want added in your repository? |
| 22:38.43 | Shirik | no |
| 22:38.47 | Shirik | * isn't recursive on windows |
| 22:39.00 | DWSR | it was for me...? |
| 22:39.06 | Shirik | eh? |
| 22:39.14 | DWSR | git for windows runs on bash. |
| 22:39.17 | DWSR | * is recursive. |
| 22:39.26 | bleeter | HAHA http://cargocollective.com/4thamendment |
| 22:39.26 | Shirik | I don't use that crappy thing |
| 22:39.31 | Shirik | I use the windows command prompt |
| 22:39.39 | DWSR | oh |
| 22:39.52 | foxlit | windows shell doesn't expand * anyway |
| 22:40.32 | DWSR | ^ |
| 22:40.59 | DWSR | Git takes the wildcard and expands it, not the shell. |
| 22:41.11 | DWSR | which means you still should be able to just use git add. |
| 22:41.32 | DWSR | Alternatively, fire up your Bash shell once and do it there. |
| 22:42.24 | Adys | Shirik: you can just list all the tracked files |
| 22:42.46 | DWSR | bleeter: Win |
| 22:49.59 | wereHamster | Shirik: 'git add .' |
| 22:50.22 | wereHamster | git will recurse into subdirs itself |
| 22:51.51 | wereHamster | and '.' has another advantage over '*': it'll match dot files in the root directory of the working tree (such as .gitignore) |
| 22:52.26 | cbreak | git add -p, because you can never have enough granularity. :) |
| 22:54.34 | Angayelle | ook i worked with tooltip api, so far : /run GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff("player", 2) print(GameTooltipTextLeft2:GetText()) works but it require me to have the tooltip frame showing |
| 22:54.38 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Is the source code for your bot available anywhere? |
| 22:56.23 | KarlKFI | does "$parentButton2" work in CreateFrame? |
| 22:56.30 | foxlit | no |
| 22:56.33 | KarlKFI | thx |
| 22:56.38 | Angayelle | i think gametooltip is kind of secureframes, with the ability to show and hide in combat |
| 22:57.40 | Angayelle | but i don't think if make it show a split second to populate it with required info, then parse it and hide it afterwards is a bit weird as method |
| 22:57.45 | Amarande | Adys, check the Hero's Call board |
| 22:58.06 | Amarande | There's one in Darnassus and one in SW, that I've seen. And they're just a teleport away. :) |
| 22:58.17 | Adys | paladin |
| 22:58.20 | Adys | and dont have access atm |
| 22:58.58 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: what do you want/need from it |
| 22:59.10 | Shirik | um |
| 22:59.22 | Shirik | I was wondering how you handled timeouts |
| 22:59.22 | Angayelle | can i hook the GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff function or is protected ? never did it before |
| 22:59.33 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: What kind of timeouts |
| 22:59.42 | Shirik | Like too much CPU time |
| 22:59.48 | jnwhiteh | ulimit |
| 23:00.07 | Shirik | I thought that was a bash command not an actual program |
| 23:00.16 | jnwhiteh | most environments have it |
| 23:00.21 | jnwhiteh | I can't and won't speak for windows :P |
| 23:00.30 | Shirik | oh this is running on Linux |
| 23:00.34 | Shirik | but you're able to call it from Lua? |
| 23:00.41 | jnwhiteh | its a system command, so yes. |
| 23:00.47 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:00.48 | Shirik | thanks |
| 23:00.49 | jnwhiteh | system() starts a shell |
| 23:00.51 | jnwhiteh | its not an exec :P |
| 23:00.57 | jnwhiteh | let me get the exact command. |
| 23:01.13 | Shirik | ah I thought system() just ran it directly |
| 23:01.15 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:01.25 | Shirik | or os.exec() |
| 23:01.29 | jnwhiteh | nope, that's not how system works :P |
| 23:01.37 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:01.52 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.19 | Shirik | thanks |
| 23:03.38 | Amarande | ulimit() is a kernel function, isn't it? |
| 23:03.56 | Nobgul | no |
| 23:04.04 | jnwhiteh | [jnwhiteh@gammatester] ~% which ulimit |
| 23:04.04 | jnwhiteh | ulimit: shell built-in command |
| 23:04.06 | jnwhiteh | that's with zsh, at least |
| 23:04.24 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh: We were talking about the ulimit last week or 2 right? |
| 23:04.38 | jnwhiteh | Nobgul: probably, yes. |
| 23:04.58 | Nobgul | trying to sontrol processes. and the resources |
| 23:05.02 | Nobgul | lol Control* |
| 23:05.10 | jnwhiteh | yep, its how you do it :P |
| 23:05.27 | jnwhiteh | batbot uses threads and timeouts to accomplish the same thing |
| 23:05.27 | cbreak | Amarande: man 3 ulimit |
| 23:05.34 | jnwhiteh | but is much simpler :P |
| 23:05.37 | cbreak | apparently part of libc |
| 23:06.03 | cbreak | but probably depends heavily on your OS |
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| 23:09.00 | Amarande | uh oh |
| 23:09.02 | Amarande | nasty plaguelands bug. |
| 23:09.04 | Amarande | almost died. |
| 23:09.24 | Amarande | do not. I repeat, DO NOT EVER ALLOW nerubians to summon a beetle in Terrorweb Tunnel |
| 23:09.31 | Amarande | EVER. |
| 23:09.34 | Amarande | at least if you are questing at level. |
| 23:10.04 | Amarande | you ... might be able to guess what the bug is. :) |
| 23:10.12 | bleeter | cbreak: iirc you are correct, it'll be part of whichever 'standard' C you're using, and thus may vary wildly ;) |
| 23:11.01 | Amarande | yeaaaaah. apparently they didn't fix the level of the summoned beetles |
| 23:11.23 | Amarande | which means if you're a caster, you will basically not be able to hit them *at all*, and they don't despawn when the nerubian dies either. |
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| 23:22.26 | Kraps | Enchanting Vellum now available from enchanting vendors |
| 23:22.30 | Kraps | wow |
| 23:22.46 | ccox | yeah, bye-bye profitable low level inscription... |
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| 23:26.42 | Adys | Message: Interface\FrameXML\BuffFrame.lua:479: Invalid inventory slot in SetInventoryItem |
| 23:26.43 | Adys | what the hell |
| 23:29.44 | Kraps | Adys |
| 23:29.49 | Kraps | Invalid inventory slot in SetInventoryItem |
| 23:29.55 | Kraps | duh |
| 23:30.41 | jnwhiteh | how do I get from the belf starting area to Org or TB? |
| 23:30.42 | bleeter | http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/589 |
| 23:31.10 | cbreak | walk to undercity and take the zepelin? |
| 23:31.14 | bleeter | every open source author should read that article |
| 23:31.20 | jnwhiteh | thats the best way cbreak? |
| 23:31.24 | jnwhiteh | i dont kow horde side at all |
| 23:31.26 | cbreak | don't know |
| 23:31.30 | cbreak | I am alliance as well |
| 23:31.33 | cbreak | but it is a way :) |
| 23:31.37 | jnwhiteh | hlep! |
| 23:31.41 | jnwhiteh | i'm level 1 :P |
| 23:33.39 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: are you saying the silvermoon<>UC portal is down oO |
| 23:33.45 | bleeter | 'coz that'd suck hard |
| 23:33.54 | cbreak | well, the plague lands are probably the only hurdle |
| 23:34.03 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: ?? |
| 23:34.10 | jnwhiteh | no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:34.11 | bleeter | cbreak: on bored days I used to nude run plague lands for FP's |
| 23:34.26 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: there's a portal in SIlvermoon, up the back, near mage trainers |
| 23:34.26 | cbreak | oh, the horror |
| 23:34.41 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: well, there was... haven't checked this in Cata ;) |
| 23:34.50 | bleeter | used to take you to courtyard of UC |
| 23:35.02 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:35.08 | jnwhiteh | i'm at mage trainers |
| 23:35.26 | bleeter | ok, so you're in the right area... it's not at the mage trainers, but got you near it |
| 23:35.39 | bleeter | so right up the back of that whole building, past the belf leader etc. |
| 23:35.52 | bleeter | there's an orb of translocation or some shiz |
| 23:36.09 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:36.14 | jnwhiteh | trying to figure out how to find the leader :P |
| 23:36.20 | bleeter | bah |
| 23:36.37 | bleeter | ok, when you entered this building, there were rooms to the left and right. don't turn. just go straight ahead. |
| 23:36.47 | bleeter | ie, go past the room with the trainers |
| 23:36.54 | jnwhiteh | i'm at falconwing |
| 23:37.05 | jnwhiteh | do i need to be back at silvermoon? |
| 23:37.06 | bleeter | oh, well, need to go out the front |
| 23:37.11 | bleeter | yeah, over in silvermoon |
| 23:37.26 | bleeter | you know how to get there? go out front of falconwing and hang a left and track along the wall |
| 23:37.45 | jnwhiteh | ah i remember now |
| 23:37.49 | jnwhiteh | its been so damn long. |
| 23:37.54 | jnwhiteh | this is fine, i'll go to ucity |
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| 23:38.00 | jnwhiteh | have my orc go to ucity as well |
| 23:38.23 | jnwhiteh | for the achi :P |
| 23:38.26 | jnwhiteh | i cheats |
| 23:39.27 | bleeter | lol, fair nuff. btw, lag on irc out here to 57 secs haha |
| 23:41.33 | Shirik | Does anyone see what's wrong here? http://wowi.pastey.net/143290 -- I only get the first line of output from tor and then it just stalls, but if I run the command directly from tor it runs fine |
| 23:41.46 | Shirik | I never get to "Tor is ready" |
| 23:42.14 | Shirik | the only output is Nov 25 18:46:18.516 [notice] Tor v0.2.1.26. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686) |
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| 23:54.36 | Kraps | WHY AM I READING THE FORUMS |
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| 23:59.00 | bluspacecow | \o |
