| 00:00.23 | Lunessa | Bah... that's what the Cloud is for. |
| 00:00.43 | Lunessa | And on that note, home time. |
| 00:01.02 | cbreak | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=46820 |
| 00:04.17 | Lulia | That's neat, cbreak |
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| 00:05.04 | Lulia | Tuller: Hey there! |
| 00:05.54 | Predicate | Are there any mirrors for downloading the PTR client? The official site seems to be broken at the moment... |
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| 00:07.58 | durcyn | argh, why is virtualbox's 64-bit guest support still utter crap |
| 00:08.24 | cbreak | VMWare fusion is fairly cheap |
| 00:08.48 | durcyn | this is a headless linux server, what do i care about their macintosh product |
| 00:09.00 | Lulia | Any balance druids around? |
| 00:09.36 | cbreak | there are server WMWares too... |
| 00:12.44 | durcyn | if i wanted to spend money, i would have already =P |
| 00:12.56 | durcyn | anyway looks like whoever built the box forgot the KVM module, problem solved |
| 00:12.57 | dardack_home | yawn |
| 00:13.20 | dardack_home | wait durcyn what do you mean utter crap? Works great for me |
| 00:13.45 | dardack_home | nvm i see you said missing a module |
| 00:14.11 | durcyn | dardack_home: phpvirtualbox enabled the VT-x option even though it was broken, serves me right for using a third party interface |
| 00:14.14 | Wobin | damn you Antiarc. I try to type Antarctica, and autotype Antiarctica instead |
| 00:14.26 | Antiarc | Heheheh |
| 00:14.30 | Antiarc | I do the same thing sometimes. |
| 00:14.30 | Kraps | 1.5TB HD for $70 |
| 00:14.34 | cbreak | that's cool |
| 00:14.48 | cbreak | I switched to 2TB drives though |
| 00:14.50 | dardack_home | true dat durcyn, i bulid everything myself (except kernel and thinking about building my own soon) cause i don't trust people |
| 00:14.55 | cbreak | (for new acquisitions) |
| 00:15.12 | cbreak | build? |
| 00:15.19 | cbreak | if you don't trust them, you have to _review_ it |
| 00:15.38 | cbreak | otherwise you trust the source code, the build scripts and the compiler :) |
| 00:15.45 | Kraps | what about http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=7007424&sku=B69-0268 |
| 00:15.49 | cbreak | oh, and the build system, the libraries, ... |
| 00:16.16 | Kraps | amd ftl |
| 00:17.36 | Kraps | how do i know if my power supply is good enough? |
| 00:17.44 | dardack_home | sigh i can't still sign into curse client |
| 00:18.15 | greppy | did dns get fixed? |
| 00:19.18 | Kraps | is $10 normal for this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6780462&csid=ITD&body=QA#tabs |
| 00:19.33 | dardack_home | no idea |
| 00:19.46 | airtonix | Kraps, asus has a power supply calc if you're worried about capacity |
| 00:20.24 | airtonix | http://support.asus.com/PowerSupplyCalculator/PowerSupplyCalculator_right.aspx |
| 00:20.25 | Kraps | thanks |
| 00:20.41 | airtonix | http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp |
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| 00:21.02 | airtonix | http://bakkap.free.fr/Misc/wCalc.html |
| 00:22.14 | airtonix | http://support.asus.com/PowerSupplyCalculator/PSCalculator.aspx?SLanguage=en-us |
| 00:22.17 | airtonix | right url |
| 00:22.43 | airtonix | and it doesn't deal with atom cpus |
| 00:22.53 | Kraps | ah yeah the first link seemed broken |
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| 00:24.07 | airtonix | meh that asus one leaves something to be desired |
| 00:24.12 | airtonix | doesn't update properly |
| 00:26.21 | airtonix | and http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine doesn't deal with ion nvidia |
| 00:27.34 | nicoli_s | damnit, my new kitty left nose marks all over my new monitor :( |
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| 00:32.46 | Kraps | what, i have $2000 credit with del |
| 00:32.50 | Kraps | +l |
| 00:33.13 | Kraps | puzzles |
| 00:40.49 | nicoli_s | well if its too confusing, ill take it |
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| 00:44.23 | Kraps | soon soon |
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| 00:46.16 | Kraps | WowBot ? |
| 00:46.34 | Shirik | bots Kraps |
| 00:47.00 | Olison | wow bots |
| 00:47.12 | Olison | .c Fisker -c |
| 00:47.13 | WowBot | Fisker of the Ashen Verdict <HottieHamsters>, 80 male Blood Elf Rogue (2/31/3, Combat) | Health: 29034 | AP: 5850, Crit: 41.77%, Hit: 486(+15.80%), Expertise: 17, Haste: 717 | T10.5: 1, T10.0: 1 | Avg. iLevel: 255.0 | Achiev. Pts: 3440 | LHKs: 28956 | Last login: 21 days ago | http://url.firc.de/wFGcuIn |
| 00:47.45 | Kraps | not him |
| 00:47.51 | Olison | yes him |
| 00:47.53 | durcyn | Fiskerdin |
| 00:47.57 | Olison | althim |
| 00:47.58 | Kraps | .c Fiskerdin -c |
| 00:48.08 | Jerub | .c Brandi |
| 00:48.24 | Ackis | .c Fiskerq -c |
| 00:48.26 | WowBot | Fiskerq <Corrupt>, 70 female Orc Rogue (0/0/31, Subtlety) | Health: 9494 | AP: 1869, Crit: 26.05%, Hit: 231(+15.62%), Expertise: 0, Haste: 0 | T4: 2 | Avg. iLevel: 113.29 | Achiev. Pts: 835 | LHKs: 264 | Last login: 4 days ago | http://url.firc.de/iXh2NbB |
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| 00:48.30 | Ackis | that's him |
| 00:49.00 | Predicate | Yes, but did he kill a man? |
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| 00:49.49 | Aurorus | .c Bredic -c |
| 00:50.02 | Aurorus | yummeh |
| 00:50.10 | Aurorus | What does the .c command do? |
| 00:50.17 | Ackis | it c's you |
| 00:50.18 | Ackis | naked |
| 00:50.35 | Aurorus | ahh, that's why it hasn't replied...WowBot is fapping |
| 00:50.46 | Aurorus | :P |
| 00:51.04 | durcyn | c would stand for character, think about it |
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| 00:51.25 | Aurorus | and the -c ? |
| 00:51.34 | Ackis | complete is what I guessed |
| 00:51.50 | Aurorus | cool, fancy |
| 00:52.42 | Olison | mm, to channel |
| 00:52.52 | Ackis | ah to channel |
| 00:53.24 | Aurorus | ahh, so if you do say .c Bredic, that PMs you? |
| 00:53.37 | Olison | notice, yes |
| 00:54.16 | Aurorus | that's pretty cool |
| 00:54.20 | Aurorus | .c Bredic |
| 00:54.29 | Aurorus | So how long does it take to find and return? |
| 00:55.16 | Aurorus | I guess it can't find it :) |
| 00:56.08 | Lulia | Anyone know why I'm downloading a patch right now? |
| 00:56.09 | Lulia | O.o |
| 00:56.49 | Olison | Aurorus: http://fireglow.de/wowbot.html#cmdar |
| 00:57.24 | Aurorus | ty Olison |
| 00:57.46 | Ackis | ~wowbot |
| 00:57.46 | purl | it has been said that wowbot is crazy |
| 00:57.57 | Ackis | needs a new guild. |
| 00:58.19 | Olison | same :S |
| 00:58.33 | Aurorus | Ackis: what realm? |
| 00:59.01 | Ackis | horde, we hate our server so plan on transfering |
| 00:59.41 | Kraps | come to kirin tor |
| 00:59.58 | Ackis | why? you wouldn't even be my real ID friend |
| 00:59.59 | Ackis | :( |
| 01:00.30 | Kraps | raspberries at Ackis |
| 01:02.44 | Ackis | is that like a bj? |
| 01:03.43 | Wobin | To Raspberry is actually shortened rhyming slang |
| 01:03.49 | Wobin | to "Raspberry Tart" someone |
| 01:04.01 | Wobin | (at someone) |
| 01:04.17 | Kraps | Ackis: yes |
| 01:04.45 | Kraps | except you stick your tongue out |
| 01:05.02 | Kraps | and theres no penis involved |
| 01:05.27 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry |
| 01:05.39 | Kraps | so except for those things its exactly the same |
| 01:06.41 | Wobin | and the fact that you expel air |
| 01:06.41 | Kraps | .c Mornsen -c |
| 01:06.55 | Kraps | .c Mornsen kirin tor -c |
| 01:06.55 | WowBot | Error: Character not found |
| 01:07.05 | Kraps | :( |
| 01:07.06 | Jerub | .c Brandi Dath'remar -c |
| 01:07.11 | Olison | Kraps: do you mean -us? |
| 01:07.28 | Jerub | .c Brandi Dath'Remar -c |
| 01:07.32 | Kraps | .c Mornsen kirin tor -us -c |
| 01:07.34 | Jerub | no valid realm apparently. |
| 01:07.38 | WowBot | Mornsen the Patient <Grounding Totem>, 80 male Human Priest (3/0/33, Shadow) | Health: 27300, Mana: 31588 | ShadowBonus: 2711, Crit: 24.93%, Haste: 410 | T9.0: 2, T10.5: 1, T10.0: 1 | Avg. iLevel: 241.41 | Achiev. Pts: 2065 | LHKs: 5345 | http://url.firc.de/DcO4Xr7 |
| 01:07.39 | Jerub | .c Brandi Dath'Remar -us -c |
| 01:08.04 | Wobin | .c Rikitikitavi Nagrand -us -c |
| 01:08.05 | Kraps | thats its |
| 01:08.12 | WowBot | Rikitikitavi of the Ashen Verdict <A new beginning>, 80 female Dwarf Priest (5/0/31, Shadow) | Health: 29250, Mana: 34543 | ShadowBonus: 3155, Crit: 29.78%, Haste: 809 | T10.0: 4 | Avg. iLevel: 254.31 | Achiev. Pts: 2555 | LHKs: 50 | http://url.firc.de/NPj4zbs |
| 01:08.45 | Ackis | .c Ackis Thunderlord |
| 01:08.48 | Dagmar | .c Eshk Skywall -us -c |
| 01:08.49 | WowBot | Brewmaster Eshk <Paws for Concern>, 80 male Dwarf Hunter (31/1/4, Beast Mastery) | Health: 28254 | RAP: 5160, Agi: 1933, RCrit: 49.98%, Hit: 220(+7.15%) | T10.0: 2 | Avg. iLevel: 232.06 | Achiev. Pts: 4625 | LHKs: 1992 | http://url.firc.de/AVbuchu |
| 01:08.50 | Ackis | .c Ackis Thunderlord -c |
| 01:08.52 | WowBot | Salty Ackis <Corrupt>, 80 female Troll Priest (5/31/0, Holy) | Health: 26120, Mana: 30313 | BonusHealing: 2872, Crit: 22.14%, ManaRegen: 752.00, Haste: 502 | T9.0: 2, T9.5: 1 | Avg. iLevel: 238.87 | Achiev. Pts: 7700 | LHKs: 30517 | http://url.firc.de/xGhakhy |
| 01:08.54 | Ackis | that's me folks |
| 01:08.58 | Ackis | I'm pro |
| 01:09.02 | Ackis | s my d |
| 01:09.04 | Aurorus | a Troll? |
| 01:09.05 | Aurorus | :P |
| 01:09.07 | Ackis | aye |
| 01:09.16 | Aurorus | you stay in character in IRC even :P |
| 01:09.20 | Aurorus | (I kid I kid...) |
| 01:09.22 | Ackis | :P |
| 01:09.26 | Ackis | do a /whois ackis :P |
| 01:09.41 | Lulia | No one knows what today's patch is all about? |
| 01:10.15 | Dagmar | It's a new interface containign over 900Mb of collected YouTube fight strategy videos, and no, you are not allowed to mute them. |
| 01:10.23 | Lulia | :P |
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| 01:11.50 | Jerub | .c Nuwen Caelstraz -us -c |
| 01:12.01 | Jerub | .c Nuwen Caelstraz -c |
| 01:12.13 | Jerub | apparently none of the oceanic realms are valid. |
| 01:12.16 | Jerub | :P |
| 01:12.23 | Wobin | isn't it Caelestraz? |
| 01:12.24 | Dagmar | lulia: Just be glad it's not rule34.mpq |
| 01:12.38 | Olison | Hmm, link me the realmforums please, Jerub |
| 01:12.53 | Jerub | .c Nuwen Caelestraz -us -c |
| 01:13.04 | Wobin | Olison: if you can have it match on realm prefixes, that'd be cool =) |
| 01:13.11 | Wobin | cause saying Cael would be so much easier =) |
| 01:13.15 | Jerub | and dath |
| 01:13.15 | Jerub | :P |
| 01:13.34 | Olison | Yeah, I'm working on that ;) |
| 01:13.47 | Ackis | wowbot is yours Olison? |
| 01:14.01 | Olison | Meanwhile, you can set a default realm for your nick, with .myrealm Region Realm |
| 01:14.05 | Olison | Ackis: yup |
| 01:14.15 | Ackis | nice |
| 01:14.23 | Ackis | can you make it join #arl please? |
| 01:14.25 | Lulia | So one of my checkbox tooltips is randomly cycling through low-level blue item tooltips |
| 01:14.27 | Lulia | .... |
| 01:14.32 | Olison | sure Ackis |
| 01:14.37 | Ackis | thanks |
| 01:16.25 | Olison | .c Nuwen Caelestrasz -us -c |
| 01:16.27 | WowBot | Nuwen <Upper Crust>, 80 male Human Warrior (2/3/31, Protection) | Health: 45911 | Armor: 25352, Expertise: 31 | T10.0: 3 | Avg. iLevel: 245.94 | Achiev. Pts: 2110 | LHKs: 347 | Last login: 14 days ago | http://url.firc.de/DNgNG1U |
| 01:16.47 | Jerub | there we go |
| 01:17.06 | Wobin | .myrealm US Nagrand |
| 01:17.16 | Wobin | no feedback? |
| 01:17.30 | Wobin | .c Willyt |
| 01:17.59 | Wobin | oh timeout |
| 01:18.23 | Wobin | .c Willyt |
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| 01:20.31 | Lulia | Tuller |
| 01:20.45 | Tuller | Lulia: yes? |
| 01:21.04 | Lulia | Is there any way to check OmniCC's version in-game? |
| 01:21.51 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.07 | Lulia | bleh :P |
| 01:22.56 | Tuller | i've not bothered to add slash commands for it :P |
| 01:24.23 | Lulia | Even a little something in the interface menu would be nice! |
| 01:25.42 | Tuller | well, ampere tells me :P |
| 01:26.26 | Lulia | ampere? |
| 01:26.51 | bleeter | watt? |
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| 01:27.12 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8530-Ampere.html |
| 01:28.01 | Lulia | Ah :) |
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| 01:42.05 | Jamash | what's a good, generic term for auras/presences/shapeshifts/aspects/stances/forms/stealth for use in an addon options window? |
| 01:42.30 | Zhinjio | bliz would say auras |
| 01:42.36 | Zhinjio | most people don't associate that term tho |
| 01:42.39 | m^rk | are there any events to help deal with spells transforming into other spells like Holy Word: Chastise?, i.e. for a bar addon to know to change button attributes etc |
| 01:42.48 | Jamash | blizzard uses aura to apply to all buffs as well |
| 01:42.53 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 01:43.27 | Zhinjio | it might behoove addon authors to promote the use of the term to gain wider acceptance. |
| 01:43.30 | Zhinjio | shrugs |
| 01:43.47 | Zhinjio | since we seem to be stuck with it |
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| 01:45.38 | Jamash | the ui code calls the bar the "stance/shapeshift bar" |
| 01:46.58 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/#!/HomefrontGame/statuses/4856721457545216 |
| 01:53.14 | Cide | wtf |
| 01:53.21 | Cide | they all miss my birthday of march 9th |
| 01:53.24 | Cide | dragon age 2 also |
| 02:03.52 | Cide | that's one minute of mourning |
| 02:03.54 | Cide | thanks guys |
| 02:03.59 | Cide | err ten minutes |
| 02:05.00 | Predicate | I believe you've confused "awkward silence" with "mourning". |
| 02:05.20 | Cide | I believe YOU've confused "awkward silence" with "mourning" |
| 02:06.52 | Tuller | Jamash: are you referring to the bar itself? :P |
| 02:06.59 | Predicate | Well, yes, I did that at a funeral once. My attempts to resolve the awkwardness with a dirty joke went entirely unappreciated... |
| 02:07.00 | Tuller | if so i shoot for "class bar" |
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| 02:30.10 | Jamash | no, the spells on the bar |
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| 02:34.51 | Predicate | You could go with "stance" or "form" since they're used that way in macros...but that's still a bit weird for things like hunter aspects. |
| 02:34.52 | pantsninja | I want to test something on the Beta, and i need a raid to do it. Does anyone have a character they wouldn't mind just chucking in a raid with me? Doesn't have to stay online. I'm on Lost Isles/Alliance |
| 02:36.50 | Hirsute | So, I'll be graduating from medical school in May, and I've just started interviewing for residency programs. My wife and I are at a pre-interview informal dinner with some of the residents at one program the other night, and they ask the students what they like to do in their free time. |
| 02:37.20 | Tuller | and everyone responds, "golf"? |
| 02:37.25 | Dagmar | So, how did they react to being told you hunt and kill mutant man-beasts? |
| 02:37.30 | Hirsute | So, it's my turn, and one of the things I mention (because it's relatively uncommon in other students applying to these types of residencies) is that I like to program. Tuller: Heh. |
| 02:38.20 | Hirsute | So they ask me what I program, and here is where I get circumspect, because there's a general prejudice in the medical field against online gaming in general, and particularly against WoW, EQ and other MMORPGs |
| 02:39.33 | Hirsute | So I just say that I sometimes play a game that allows people to program additional functionality for it, and that I spend most of my "game" time now working on a program that's used for economics and playing the in-game market. |
| 02:40.08 | Hirsute | And my wife jumps in and say, "I'm sure they've heard of it, honey, just tell them you play and write addons for World of Warcraft!" |
| 02:40.11 | Hirsute | *says |
| 02:40.31 | Jamash | ho ho ho |
| 02:40.42 | Hirsute | There's a couple of interesting glances from some of the residents, but generally no one seems to react too negatively. |
| 02:41.37 | pantsninja | No one can help me create a quick raid on the beta? :( |
| 02:41.49 | Hirsute | So the a couple of days later I'm working in a clinic at this medical school I just interviewed with, and the residency program director and I are discussing a patient who came to see us because her *lawyer* told her he thought she had Asperger's syndrome and should go see a doctor about it. |
| 02:42.35 | Hirsute | And one of the residents comments on how odd it is that people seem to be thinking, more and more, that they have Asperger's Syndrome, or "Autism spectrum". |
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| 02:43.07 | Dagmar | ...because "being a supreme asshole" is often confused with it. |
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| 02:43.51 | Jamash | in the future, every aspect of every personality will be a "syndrome" |
| 02:43.57 | Hirsute | And the attending says, "I think it's because it gives people something external to blame their odd behavior on. It's nicer for the 30-year-old guy who sits in his parents' basement all day eating chips, drinking energy drinks and playing World of Warcraft to say, 'I have Asperger's syndrome' than to say, 'I'm just really weird.'" |
| 02:43.59 | Dagmar | Yep. Colored cloth does not exist in Alpha |
| 02:44.21 | Jamash | if you're nice to people you have "altruism syndrome" |
| 02:44.45 | Jerub | interesting. |
| 02:44.47 | Jamash | if you're a lousy tipper you have "scrooge syndrome" |
| 02:45.06 | Jamash | if you eat food you have "caloric consumption syndrome" |
| 02:45.08 | Tuller | a friend of mine actually teaches students who have aspergers |
| 02:45.29 | Jerub | as someone who does have aspergers, and is married to someone who had a more severe case of aspergers than I do, and knows a lot about it, having an accurate diagnosis and knowing what it is and how to deal with it is important. |
| 02:45.38 | Dagmar | Probably the lawyer smells a suit coming on that he can defend with "It's not my client's fault she's an asshole... She has Asperger's, and that *made* her be an ego-centric self-centered bitch." |
| 02:45.51 | Jerub | tbh, it was probably just a smart bloke who could see the signs. |
| 02:45.57 | Hirsute | Jerub: I agree with you. |
| 02:46.15 | Jerub | i can spot someone with autism spectrum and gauge severity after 5-10 minutes of conversation |
| 02:46.19 | Hirsute | Jerub: Except this person actually did not have Asperger's syndrome. Had *maybe* one of the necessary criteria. |
| 02:46.48 | Jerub | Hirsute: clearly the lawyer wasn't as smart as i am. |
| 02:47.09 | Hirsute | Jerub: Clearly. |
| 02:47.27 | Jerub | Hirsute: otoh, my wife recently went to see a psychiatrist and it took 3 sessions before the psych would acknowledge that my wife had autism spectrum disorder, because her coping mechanisms were so finely honed. |
| 02:47.46 | Hirsute | What this patient did have was severe depression, substance dependence and borderline personality disorder. |
| 02:48.03 | Hirsute | Jerub: It sounds to me like the Psychiatrist was not asking the right questions. |
| 02:48.28 | Tuller | so, out of curiosity, what are the right questions? :P |
| 02:49.26 | Hirsute | Tuller: That largely depends on the person you're talking two. Asperger's Syndrome and Autism Spectrum disorders don't turn everyone who has them into clones, exactly. |
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| 02:51.43 | Hirsute | For one person, one topic may be covered with a simple, "Do you have many friends?" For another it might be, "Do you have a hard time relating to other people, or is it hard for you to make friends?" Yet another person, it may be, "How do you know if someone is your friend? Do you ever think about who is your friend and who isn't?" |
| 02:52.14 | Hirsute | I'm no expert yet, by any stretch of the imagination, but just observing someone in your office, or asking "stock" questions will miss a lot. |
| 02:52.48 | Hirsute | *talking to |
| 02:53.14 | Hirsute | (That's what I get for trying to watch the news, talk to someone over here, eat dinner, and type at the same time) |
| 02:55.04 | Tuller | (there's always a debate among my friends if I have some form of autism, generically aspergers :P) |
| 02:55.21 | Hirsute | Anyhow, back to the original story. I really hope the residents don't mention, in front of this doctor, when they're deciding who they want in their residency that I play WoW. |
| 02:56.31 | Tuller | on the programming end, "I write addons for warcraft" has gotten me three jobs :P |
| 02:56.50 | Hirsute | Tuller: Absolutely. |
| 02:57.11 | Tuller | on the non programming end, "I work with computers" is as far as I go |
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| 02:57.43 | Hirsute | My wife says, when I tell her in the future we should avoid mentioning WoW at interviews and explain why, "Well, you should set them straight, help them see that the stereotype is wrong." |
| 02:58.03 | Hirsute | I said, "Aye, but the time for that is *after* they accept me to their program, not while I'm trying to convince them to." |
| 02:58.19 | Tuller | i was just about to say that |
| 02:58.38 | Tuller | then they would say, "he can do that, _and_ one shot a druid? amazing!" |
| 02:58.45 | Aurorus | lol Hirsute - your wife might be a wonderful person, but there definitely a right and a wrong time to say things. Also, saying nothing at all is never a bad thing. |
| 02:59.06 | Aurorus | Except if by not saying anything you are condemning an innocent man (or woman) to death |
| 02:59.08 | Aurorus | :P |
| 02:59.26 | Aurorus | but that is rare these days, witch hunts are no longer the rage |
| 02:59.37 | Hirsute | *nod* My wife is a wonderful person, she just had no idea who much people in medicine tend to look down their noses at gamers in general, and particularly on MMO players. |
| 03:00.02 | Aurorus | is your wife a gamer? |
| 03:00.40 | Hirsute | Aurorus: Not really, she plays WoW a *little* bit, started after we got married, never played anything else, really. |
| 03:00.59 | Hirsute | *how much |
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| 03:06.24 | Predicate | So, er, has anyone played with these new UNIT_POWER/UNIT_MAXPOWER events? Can we trust them? |
| 03:10.00 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5692615/what-is-cityville-other-than-the-next-farmville |
| 03:11.16 | Aurorus | cool Hirsute |
| 03:11.35 | Aurorus | my partner and I are in a difficult relationship stretch atm :P |
| 03:11.59 | Aurorus | I am an avid PC gamer, MMO mostly, then some FPS (Bad Company 2 only lol). She is a very avid Console gamer. |
| 03:12.23 | Aurorus | We don't always see eye to eye - she flogs my behind on any console games and she doesn't enjoy PC games very much |
| 03:12.28 | Hirsute | Sorry to hear that. (about the difficult stretch, and about her bad habit) |
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| 03:12.39 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 03:12.43 | Aurorus | Ahh, Romeo of PC and Juliet of the sexbox :P |
| 03:12.43 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 03:12.51 | Xyphoid | overheard in the office: 'my source control is ctrl-z' |
| 03:12.59 | Aurorus | LOL Xyphoid |
| 03:13.01 | nicoli_s | its my sexbox and her name is xsony |
| 03:13.04 | nicoli_s | sony* |
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| 04:06.24 | Lulia | Wednsday night fights for sc2! Love Day9 :D |
| 04:12.39 | DJJeff | I dont like how this new patch broke more then 1/2 my addons |
| 04:12.45 | DJJeff | and I have 108+ addons |
| 04:12.58 | DJJeff | reseting the UI Scale really pissed me off |
| 04:13.03 | Hirsute | DJJeff: The new patch being 4.0.3? |
| 04:13.09 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm |
| 04:13.12 | DJJeff | yup |
| 04:13.27 | DJJeff | the only retail patch that just came out |
| 04:14.06 | DJJeff | bartender got reset and my sunart got reset |
| 04:14.20 | Hirsute | I wasn't sure if you were just now getting around to logging in after 4.0.1 and noticing the massive breakage it caused, or if you were noticing problems with 4.0.3 I didn't think they changed much with this patch to break addons... |
| 04:14.25 | DJJeff | takes me 3 hrs to setup that crap |
| 04:14.50 | Hirsute | Sounds to me like something went wrong with your SV files. Do you keep backups? |
| 04:14.52 | DJJeff | I havent read the patch notes yet |
| 04:15.04 | DJJeff | SV files? |
| 04:15.20 | Hirsute | SavedVariables files, it's where addons store their data and settings. |
| 04:15.25 | DJJeff | ah |
| 04:15.43 | DJJeff | backups would be pointless after a new patch |
| 04:15.50 | Hirsute | A patch shouldn't cause addons to reset. Break, sure, but to really cause an addon to "reset" something has to change with the saved variables files. |
| 04:16.20 | Hirsute | If the addon only reset, then restoring a backup SV file should fix it, regardless of whether a patch just happened or not. |
| 04:16.48 | DJJeff | my SV files are fine.... its todo with the UI Scale |
| 04:16.51 | DJJeff | being reset |
| 04:17.13 | Hirsute | So were the layouts just messed up, or were they restored to default settings? |
| 04:17.26 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm |
| 04:17.36 | Predicate | The UI scale changes should be easy to fix just by enabling "Use UI Scale" again. |
| 04:17.50 | DJJeff | tried that |
| 04:17.58 | DJJeff | I took a screenshot before the patch |
| 04:18.03 | DJJeff | I should take a new one |
| 04:18.07 | DJJeff | and compare the 2 |
| 04:19.33 | Predicate | The only thing I can think of that would actually *reset* addons is if the lack of UI scale caused them to be off-screen. Some addons might respond to that by resetting their positions to defaults. |
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| 04:24.54 | Hirsute | In which case, turning Use UI Scale back on, then quitting the game, restoring a backup SV file, and logging back in should put you back where you started. |
| 04:25.02 | Hirsute | *before the patch |
| 04:26.03 | DJJeff | I might be having luck |
| 04:26.09 | m^rk | has bliz posted 4.0.3 interface code yet? |
| 04:26.11 | DJJeff | needed to /reloadui |
| 04:26.28 | DJJeff | after doing the UI Scale change |
| 04:27.18 | DJJeff | yup |
| 04:27.22 | DJJeff | thats what it was |
| 04:27.25 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 04:27.49 | DJJeff | I do like my UI... http://i52.tinypic.com/71it5z.jpg |
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| 04:28.01 | DJJeff | im sitting on santas lap |
| 04:28.34 | DJJeff | I still dont have that <kingslayer> title tho..... |
| 04:28.58 | DJJeff | Ruby Sanc fight is easier then the LK fight |
| 04:31.06 | DJJeff | I mean come on I have a 6060 GS and still cant get in a guild to kill the LK |
| 04:31.30 | DJJeff | you really do need to give a BJ to get a chance to kill him |
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| 04:37.01 | pantsninja | fyi, I heard from a friend at Blizz... Cataclysm went gold on the last build. |
| 04:38.13 | Kraps | gold? |
| 04:38.24 | kd3 | gold master; that's the version getting shipped on dvds |
| 04:38.40 | pantsninja | mmhrm |
| 04:40.33 | Kraps | what does your friend do at blizz? |
| 04:41.05 | Thunder_Child | spreads rumors? |
| 04:42.10 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: umadcuzbad? |
| 04:42.44 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Kraps |
| 04:42.44 | purl | Kraps, you Fail! |
| 04:42.55 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: zombie racer |
| 04:43.03 | Thunder_Child | i dunno |
| 04:43.09 | Thunder_Child | i'm kinda up in the air on it |
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| 04:43.22 | pantsninja | Kraps: heh. QA unfortunately for him |
| 04:43.38 | Kraps | it looks to have potential Thunder_Child |
| 04:47.07 | Kraps | wooo i am top orc! |
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| 04:58.14 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: thats like saying you are the tallest midget |
| 04:58.26 | Kraps | harsh :( |
| 04:58.45 | Thunder_Child | yes i am |
| 04:59.33 | Kraps | i meant that i got http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1638 |
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| 05:06.10 | Kraps | hey look, tier 8 http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/index.html#1155 |
| 05:06.14 | Kraps | >.> |
| 05:14.20 | Aurorus | wtf. Why do people mix genres.....just cause you like anime doesn't mean it fits inside a high fantasy genre....vice versa |
| 05:14.53 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1063356493#1 |
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| 05:15.16 | Kraps | Aurorus: its teh sexleg |
| 05:15.34 | Aurorus | yeah, the pic is nice, but context! |
| 05:17.00 | Mirrormn | cause anime is an art style and high fantasy is a subject - the two are not mutually exclusive... |
| 05:17.09 | Corrodias2 | shocking |
| 05:17.44 | Kraps | what about http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/index.html#1157 |
| 05:18.05 | Corrodias2 | furry is not exclusive either |
| 05:18.19 | Kraps | :D |
| 05:20.48 | Aurorus | anime and high fantasy are genres - they have loose stylistic criteria - a 'kind' |
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| 05:23.38 | Kraps | not sure what this is http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/index.html#1074 |
| 05:23.55 | Mirrormn | I dunno |
| 05:24.03 | Mirrormn | I don't think "high fantasy" is an art style |
| 05:26.08 | Aurorus | a genre is not an art style. Definition of a genre only exists when texts (whether audio, written, visual, statues, etc) share common stylistic similarities |
| 05:26.32 | Aurorus | e.g. you cannot have a genre without having texts. Genres emerge after texts |
| 05:26.56 | Aurorus | However, you can compare genres of texts of the same medium |
| 05:27.12 | Aurorus | e.g. photos with photos, artwork with artwork, movies with movies |
| 05:27.39 | Corrodias2 | i'd say that's an old anime/manga style drawin' there |
| 05:27.42 | Aurorus | so the 'high fantasy' art style can be compared with the 'anime' art style, anime cartoons with high fantasy cartoons, and so on |
| 05:28.12 | Corrodias2 | so you say "high fantasy" is an art style? |
| 05:28.25 | Aurorus | no, I say 'high fantasy art style' |
| 05:28.33 | Dagmar | The rest of the world seems to agree that it is an art style |
| 05:28.46 | Aurorus | I think we are differing on our definition of art :) |
| 05:29.02 | Dagmar | Could be, but I side with the world. |
| 05:29.06 | Arrowmaster | when you say 'high fantasy' which word is the emphases on? |
| 05:29.08 | Dagmar | It's definition doesn't confuse me at all |
| 05:29.10 | Mirrormn | I think we are differing on our definition of "style" as it contrasts with "subject" |
| 05:29.14 | Aurorus | art as in texts, or art as in artwork ? |
| 05:29.41 | Aurorus | e.g. art = game, movie, cartoon, drawing, written. or art = visual drawings / paintings |
| 05:29.46 | Dagmar | Samwise draws High Fantasy art |
| 05:29.57 | Dagmar | ...for WoW in fact |
| 05:30.16 | Mirrormn | when I hear the word "high fantasy", I have an expectation of subject, but personally I can't think of any specific elements of style that would be required |
| 05:30.27 | Corrodias2 | excessive bloom |
| 05:30.37 | Dagmar | An art "style" isn't simply a technical requirement, like "cel shaded". |
| 05:30.39 | Mirrormn | and similarly, when I hear the word "anime", I have an expectation of style, but no specific expectation of subject |
| 05:31.11 | Dagmar | Generally there's elves and fairy folk and excessive pectorals medieval technology and so on involved |
| 05:31.30 | Mirrormn | those are all subjects |
| 05:31.44 | Dagmar | Anime is pretty much "japanese animation? |
| 05:31.46 | Dagmar | er " |
| 05:32.30 | Mirrormn | I think anime has a lot to do with exaggerated physical proportions, clean lines and separated colors, and probably a lot of other stuff I can't think of at the moment |
| 05:32.39 | Dagmar | "anime" and "high fantasy" are not similar and seperate classifications like "fruit" and "vegetables" are |
| 05:32.46 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 05:32.50 | Mirrormn | that's exactly my point |
| 05:33.01 | Mirrormn | so I don't see why they can't be both used at the same time |
| 05:33.06 | Dagmar | They can |
| 05:33.16 | Mirrormn | aight |
| 05:33.20 | Mirrormn | so you agree with me |
| 05:33.46 | Dagmar | Pretty much. Anime is more "how" and High Fantasy is more "what" |
| 05:33.53 | Mirrormn | hehe |
| 05:33.58 | Mirrormn | that's exactly what I said! ^_^ |
| 05:34.13 | Mirrormn | how = style, what = subject |
| 05:34.23 | Dagmar | Cuz in anime at one end you've got Dragonball Z, which aside from being crap, fits your definition, and kinda at the other end there's Lain. |
| 05:34.36 | Dagmar | ...and Perfect Blue (which is also crap, IMHO, but for different reasons) |
| 05:34.39 | Mirrormn | what is lain? |
| 05:34.43 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 05:34.51 | Dagmar | Serial Experiments: Lain |
| 05:34.55 | Dagmar | You've never seen it? |
| 05:34.57 | Corrodias2 | it is well-known and i didn't like it |
| 05:35.02 | Mirrormn | I don't watch a whole lot of anime |
| 05:35.03 | Corrodias2 | bunch of navel-gazing |
| 05:35.12 | Dagmar | Perfect Blue was a bloody drama movie that was simply drawn. |
| 05:35.52 | Corrodias2 | SEL either went way over my head or was crap. |
| 05:35.57 | Mirrormn | (and by "anime" I am now talking about a genre of animated series instead of a specific visual style of artwork ^_^) |
| 05:36.01 | Dagmar | Well, it wasn't crap... |
| 05:36.04 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Experiments_Lain |
| 05:36.09 | Corrodias2 | then WHOOSH there it went |
| 05:36.12 | Dagmar | It was pretty hard sci-fi tho |
| 05:36.35 | Dagmar | I could spoiler the crap out of it in one short paragraph |
| 05:36.44 | Corrodias2 | it has something to do with the internet becoming a place for ghosts or something, and then god shows up and i don't even know what. |
| 05:36.54 | Dagmar | Lain was an emergent AI phenomenon |
| 05:37.16 | Kraps | why are they rewarding _ground_ mounts for rated bg's? |
| 05:37.20 | Dagmar | The technology at her disposal created a lot of deep questions about the nature of both existance and godhood |
| 05:37.50 | Dagmar | The entire series was basically the emergent AI working all this out for itself. |
| 05:38.05 | Mirrormn | sounds like a cross between ghost in the shell and evangelion |
| 05:38.16 | Dagmar | Sort of, but way more existentialism |
| 05:38.27 | Corrodias2 | that sort of philosophical speculative fiction is so not my cup of tea |
| 05:38.35 | Mirrormn | evangelion has quite a bit of exitentialism already >.< |
| 05:38.42 | Dagmar | The AI figures out humans are there, doesn't understand their very limited existance |
| 05:39.08 | Dagmar | TRIES to figure it out and creates Lain |
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| 05:39.18 | Dagmar | Sort of a holy trinity thing going on there |
| 05:39.58 | Dagmar | Various aspects of the emerging AI are the cause of a number of plot items, like Accella |
| 05:41.28 | Dagmar | It was pretty weird riding around San Francisco in trams and such after watching it |
| 05:41.32 | Dagmar | ...because of the power lines. |
| 05:42.05 | Dagmar | It makes ya give their omnipresence a real hard look. |
| 05:51.15 | Kraps | so all you people switching to alchemy to get the mount... good luck! http://cata.wowhead.com/item=65891#comments:id=1158713 |
| 05:51.45 | Mirrormn | 24000g? doesn't sound so bad |
| 05:52.14 | Mirrormn | oh wait |
| 05:52.21 | Mirrormn | it's 24000g + mats |
| 05:52.25 | Mirrormn | that's pretty crazy |
| 05:52.40 | Kraps | yeah |
| 05:52.56 | Mirrormn | cause those mats looks pretty beastly |
| 05:55.55 | Mirrormn | assuming the volatile essence will be 30g each, looks like that mats will cost somewhere between 15000 and 2000g |
| 05:55.58 | Mirrormn | *20000g |
| 05:56.24 | Mirrormn | so the whole mount is like 40-45k |
| 05:57.07 | Kraps | that makes me sad |
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| 06:02.11 | Mirrormn | why? |
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| 06:02.29 | Kraps | because i want to level alchemy |
| 06:02.52 | Mirrormn | you mean, you want to get the mount? |
| 06:03.05 | Mirrormn | cause you could level alchemy relatively easily |
| 06:03.45 | Kraps | both |
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| 06:08.35 | NeoTron | man I was so excited about LibQTip. :( fails |
| 06:08.49 | NeoTron | I get this issue http://i.imgur.com/lBe1w.jpg |
| 06:16.51 | Kraps | http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=75289 |
| 06:19.51 | Kraps | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1425 |
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| 06:37.31 | nebula169 | heh |
| 06:37.58 | nebula169 | you really need to vigiliant about your min/max values and make sure you handle empty cols or that happens |
| 06:38.08 | nebula169 | @neotron |
| 06:38.54 | nebula169 | not resizing the region width before calcing the fontstring width fixes all of that though |
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| 06:39.51 | NeoTron | I figured out if I set each column it's fine |
| 06:39.58 | NeoTron | but it sure is a rather cumbersome addon to use |
| 06:40.01 | nebula169 | yea |
| 06:40.32 | NeoTron | so far though I have clickable headers for the rule editing thingamabob |
| 06:41.48 | NeoTron | a bit surprised there's actually no image support out of the box too |
| 06:42.44 | nebula169 | like tablet's hasCheck stuff? |
| 06:42.55 | nebula169 | hasIcon or whatever it was |
| 06:43.19 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 06:43.27 | NeoTron | it seems like a pretty basic feature |
| 06:43.36 | NeoTron | should be rather trivial to add mind you but still |
| 06:45.17 | nebula169 | thing the point is you can create your own cell providers to do whatever you want, the included one is just basic labels |
| 06:45.20 | nebula169 | think* |
| 06:45.42 | nebula169 | hadn't really seen anything that takes advantage of the api for it, though, heh |
| 06:46.38 | NeoTron | right |
| 06:46.45 | NeoTron | I am aware that you can |
| 06:46.54 | NeoTron | oh but of course |
| 06:47.01 | NeoTron | |TInterface\\Buttons\\UI-CheckBox-Check:18|t |
| 06:47.06 | NeoTron | not needed for simple icons :P |
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| 06:49.30 | nebula169 | yar, which you could control the highlight region aswell, so you could just use padding for nested collapsing groups, instead of need to create extra columsn for the check to keep it pretty |
| 06:49.32 | nebula169 | wish* |
| 06:51.43 | NeoTron | and indeed that is what I'm doing |
| 06:54.03 | nebula169 | had a tip with three levels, so my first three columns were max/min width 16, worked out pretty well |
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| 06:59.35 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: hey |
| 07:00.21 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 07:00.24 | Fisker | i am better than you |
| 07:00.36 | Kraps | not really |
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| 07:01.16 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:07.07 | NeoTron | Schweeet |
| 07:07.08 | NeoTron | editing works |
| 07:07.12 | NeoTron | or rather. removing works |
| 07:07.15 | NeoTron | haven't done adding yet |
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| 07:44.26 | Jamash | my core hound has 21 talent points spent |
| 07:44.48 | Shirik | finally got the [Defense of the Ancients] achievement... |
| 07:46.03 | Fisker | finally killed Shirik |
| 07:46.08 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 07:46.31 | NeoTron | there isn't a dewdrop replacement right? |
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| 07:49.19 | wbc_ | Hey guys |
| 07:49.50 | Mitigation | Hello |
| 07:51.10 | wbc_ | I need a little bit of help |
| 07:51.45 | wbc_ | Do anyone know which font is being used for chat, health bar and damage meter here: http://static.wowace.com/content/images/21/187/WoWScrnShot_052210_013825.jpg |
| 07:52.19 | wbc_ | Tried 'what the font', without any positive matches |
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| 07:54.43 | durcyn | Baps: just ask Antiarc, it's his screenshot |
| 07:54.51 | durcyn | er wbc_ , whoever that was, stupid tab. |
| 07:55.25 | wbc_ | oh, he is here |
| 07:55.56 | unfo- | wbc_, lol @ NoRandomOculus addon :D |
| 07:56.29 | Antiarc | durcyn: TwoCentMT, I think |
| 07:56.32 | Antiarc | Either that or Emblem |
| 07:56.35 | Antiarc | I use them both |
| 07:56.45 | Antiarc | Sorry, TwCentMT |
| 07:56.47 | Antiarc | Always mistype that. |
| 07:56.49 | wbc_ | Thanks a lot, mate |
| 07:57.03 | Antiarc | They used to be in SharedMedia but they were pulled due to licensing issues. You can find copies online. |
| 07:57.16 | unfo- | Antiarc, is that 19k your manapool? |
| 07:57.23 | unfo- | Antiarc, and health bar is the small green bit? |
| 07:57.48 | Antiarc | The green bar is a totem indicator |
| 07:57.53 | Antiarc | (See the other bars next to them) |
| 07:58.02 | Antiarc | 19.7k is HP, mana is the number on the right |
| 07:58.04 | unfo- | aaah |
| 07:58.26 | unfo- | very cool! I would maybe like my shammys ui like that |
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| 07:58.45 | unfo- | Antiarc, is that a complete ui pack or have you just used various diff addons by yourself? |
| 07:58.51 | Antiarc | Just various addons. |
| 07:59.10 | unfo- | Antiarc, if it isn't too much of a hassle, i'd appreciate a list of the visible ones :) |
| 07:59.24 | durcyn | Antiarc only uses Jim Bob's Super Wow Addon Pack 17.235 from incgamers.cn |
| 07:59.32 | unfo- | ;) |
| 08:00.00 | unfo- | durcyn, i kinda meant whether it was separate addons or "Antiarc's IMMA KICK UR ASS ELEMENTAL STYLE" pack ;) |
| 08:00.29 | durcyn | yes, that's the joke |
| 08:00.33 | durcyn | you got it. you won. |
| 08:00.46 | unfo- | ::sadpanda |
| 08:00.47 | Antiarc | unfo-: That's an old shot, but Shadowed Unit Frames, Chatter, kgPanels, SexyCooldown, SexyMap, fonts by Fontain are the big ones. |
| 08:01.21 | unfo- | Antiarc, do you use that inlineaura thingy? and what do you use it for if you do |
| 08:01.47 | Antiarc | I did at one point, don't remember if I do anymore |
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| 08:01.58 | Antiarc | I play a rogue main, my shammy is my 5th 80 |
| 08:02.04 | Antiarc | So I don't spend a lot of time on her UI |
| 08:02.36 | unfo- | yeah i hear you |
| 08:02.47 | unfo- | is an altoholic too |
| 08:03.08 | Jerub | turns out in the guild i've been raiding with, there are 2 guys with 16 80s |
| 08:03.10 | Jerub | and one with 13 |
| 08:03.20 | Jerub | i thought my GM with 8 80s was hardcore |
| 08:03.24 | greppy | has a guildy like that |
| 08:03.29 | unfo- | i'm going to level just one char to 85 and keep it that way for some time |
| 08:03.34 | unfo- | and THEN think about alts |
| 08:03.37 | greppy | heh |
| 08:03.49 | unfo- | but having a hard time deciding which char i like the most |
| 08:03.50 | Jerub | unfo-: meh, i plan to burn my rested on all of them and then hit 1 hard on normal |
| 08:03.56 | Antiarc | I have two guildmates, one with 10 80s and one with like...20. |
| 08:03.57 | Jerub | unfo-: you like your druid the most |
| 08:03.58 | Antiarc | He has two accounts. |
| 08:03.58 | greppy | I plan to get my paladin, dk and warrior to 85 first... I think. |
| 08:04.02 | Antiarc | He raids on both at the same time. |
| 08:04.05 | Antiarc | In different raids. |
| 08:04.07 | unfo- | Jerub, been thinking that way too |
| 08:04.13 | unfo- | Jerub, but shammy healing > * |
| 08:04.27 | Jerub | unfo-: oh, that's a tough one. shamy vs. druid |
| 08:04.29 | unfo- | Jerub, but i can tank with mah dudu, and there's always a shortage of tanks |
| 08:04.39 | Jerub | i have a shammy at 71 now, wanted him at 80 before cata, but that's not going to happen |
| 08:04.49 | unfo- | my sham is 74 |
| 08:04.59 | unfo- | i could get him to 80 if i just ran lfg all the time, but not going to |
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| 08:05.08 | durcyn | levelling takes a day, what's the problem |
| 08:05.08 | greppy | bah, do it! |
| 08:05.12 | unfo- | so with 90% prob. it's gonna be my druid |
| 08:05.17 | Jerub | durcyn: the problem is UK |
| 08:05.20 | Jerub | it's boring as batshit |
| 08:05.31 | unfo- | the problem is idiots in pugs that i am a magnet for |
| 08:05.37 | durcyn | i'm talking about quests, 70-80 with 280% flying is easier than breathing |
| 08:05.38 | Jerub | and getting from the 69>74 hump requires running it 2 dozen times |
| 08:05.39 | greppy | heh |
| 08:06.02 | unfo- | durcyn, easy but totally brainfucked |
| 08:06.03 | Jerub | i got flying on my shammy at 70 |
| 08:06.12 | unfo- | durcyn, since this would be my 7th char to go through the quests |
| 08:06.18 | Jerub | because he needed to get to thrall in nagrand fo rthe cata quest chain |
| 08:06.22 | Jerub | and like fuck i was walking |
| 08:06.22 | unfo- | ==> lfg leveling |
| 08:06.32 | durcyn | unfo-: i just did four more alts up to 80, you just let your eyes glaze over and stare at the tourguide and tomtom displays |
| 08:06.41 | Jamash | you didn't buy flying at 60? |
| 08:06.57 | unfo- | durcyn, i know what you mean, but i have no interest for it |
| 08:07.06 | unfo- | durcyn, that's how i leveled chars 3-6 |
| 08:07.12 | Jerub | Jamash: um, nope. i bought a port to dal at like, 30. set that as my hearth, and then i was either logging out at the trainer or the auctionhouse. |
| 08:07.33 | Jerub | the last time i did questing was for my totem quest |
| 08:07.44 | Jerub | LFD all the way |
| 08:08.09 | Jerub | (this is my 4th alt to this level. 3 was a warrior tank and he got every dungeonmaster achieve at level appropriate level :) |
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| 08:09.51 | unfo- | :) |
| 08:10.15 | unfo- | warrior is going to be my first cata little one (worgen) |
| 08:10.31 | unfo- | i thought about not giving him heirlooms |
| 08:11.01 | unfo- | because i have no interest in running through the content as fast as possible, since i'll do it only once for each side now |
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| 08:28.23 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 08:28.25 | jnwhiteh | curse.com is parked? |
| 08:28.40 | jnwhiteh | no, just wow.curse.com |
| 08:28.41 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 08:28.56 | wbc_ | Yeah, I got same message yesterday |
| 08:28.59 | jnwhiteh | and my.curse.com |
| 08:29.01 | jnwhiteh | ouch. |
| 08:29.03 | stew-a | wow.curse.com works fine for me |
| 08:29.15 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 08:29.21 | jnwhiteh | now that I cannot get to my addons, this is annoying. |
| 08:29.24 | Mirrormn | me too |
| 08:29.34 | jnwhiteh | it must be DNS propogation |
| 08:29.34 | wbc_ | You just have to wait |
| 08:29.38 | wbc_ | Try again in 5 mins |
| 08:29.42 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 08:29.46 | wbc_ | After the program has been running |
| 08:29.49 | jnwhiteh | that's not how this works |
| 08:29.51 | jnwhiteh | 'the program' |
| 08:29.53 | jnwhiteh | wtf are you talking about |
| 08:29.57 | wbc_ | oh |
| 08:30.00 | wbc_ | lol, nvm |
| 08:30.04 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:30.12 | wbc_ | Thought you were talking about the clien |
| 08:30.12 | wbc_ | t |
| 08:30.17 | jnwhiteh | anyone using 8.8.8.8 have it working? |
| 08:30.20 | Fisker | curse ran out of money |
| 08:30.21 | Fisker | hoho |
| 08:30.22 | jnwhiteh | no, I need to support my addons, not download them |
| 08:30.36 | Fisker | and yeah curse.com works here |
| 08:30.47 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: wow.curse.com |
| 08:30.48 | Fisker | also my.curse.com |
| 08:30.49 | jnwhiteh | or my.curse.com |
| 08:30.50 | jnwhiteh | that's the issue |
| 08:30.50 | jnwhiteh | j |
| 08:30.52 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 08:30.53 | wbc_ | jnwhiteh: i use 8888, and it works for me |
| 08:30.59 | Fisker | also wow.curse.com |
| 08:31.02 | jnwhiteh | 8888 works, thanks. |
| 08:31.04 | Kalroth | [DNS] Canonical: my.curse.com Numerical: 68.64.47.204 |
| 08:31.26 | Mitigation | jnwhiteh: Both of those addresses are working for me, also wow.curse.com too. 8.8.8.8 here. |
| 08:32.55 | jnwhiteh | I switched to 8.8.8.8 and it fixed it |
| 08:33.11 | Mitigation | :) |
| 08:33.45 | Shirik | Fisker ran out of money |
| 08:33.45 | Shirik | hoho |
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| 08:38.55 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Lua 5.2 is the Windows Vista of Lua.. amirite? |
| 08:39.13 | Shirik | agree |
| 08:39.36 | jnwhiteh | sadly, Mike was basically correct with that |
| 08:39.50 | jnwhiteh | although tere's no UAC :P |
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| 08:40.03 | jnwhiteh | Are you sure you want to override this function's environment? |
| 08:40.28 | Shirik | haha |
| 08:41.02 | Shirik | "A script is attempting to alter the string metatable. Continue?" |
| 08:41.10 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:41.44 | Jiyambi | Hey folks! I have a lua question if anyone would be willing to take a moment to help me :) |
| 08:42.27 | jnwhiteh | Jiyambi: just ask =) |
| 08:42.47 | Jiyambi | I'm having issues with table.insert. It seems when fed a nil value and a position, rather than inserting the nil value and shuffling the rest of the table down, it just does nothing. |
| 08:43.06 | Jiyambi | I'm wondering if there's any easy solution for this, or if I just need to write the code to insert a nil value into that position myself. |
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| 08:43.46 | jnwhiteh | Jiyambi: 'array' tables make an assumption that there is never a nil value in the array part of the table. |
| 08:44.03 | jnwhiteh | it assumes your table begins at index 1 and has consecutively keyed non-nil values |
| 08:44.19 | Jiyambi | So I should probably just write my own functions to insert those values then, sounds like :) |
| 08:44.25 | jnwhiteh | so you should not endeavour to put a nil value in the array part of the table |
| 08:44.29 | jnwhiteh | no, I'd suggest not doing it, at all |
| 08:44.32 | jnwhiteh | te # operator won't work |
| 08:44.32 | Jiyambi | Hmmm |
| 08:44.35 | jnwhiteh | ipairs() won't work |
| 08:44.43 | jnwhiteh | or rather, neiter are guaranteed to work |
| 08:44.49 | jnwhiteh | you're breaking the ONE rule for array tables |
| 08:44.53 | jnwhiteh | so I would suggest not using them =) |
| 08:44.54 | Jiyambi | Yeah, that's why I use pairs. My entire addon is dependant on having those nil values. |
| 08:44.56 | Shirik | There's table.maxn but please don't use that. jnwhiteh's right you really should not do that. |
| 08:45.13 | Shirik | Could you instead substitute another value instead of nil? |
| 08:45.16 | jnwhiteh | then the addon shouldn't be dependent on that |
| 08:45.20 | jnwhiteh | create a 'fake nil' |
| 08:45.24 | jnwhiteh | or something |
| 08:45.26 | jnwhiteh | because if you're using pairs() |
| 08:45.31 | jnwhiteh | those values are never encountered |
| 08:45.41 | jnwhiteh | a nil value in a table means tat key is not set to anytihng |
| 08:45.47 | cbreak_work | there's no problem at all with putting nil into an array |
| 08:45.52 | jnwhiteh | so its a bit of a idiom-brain-screw |
| 08:45.53 | Jiyambi | Could I perhapse enter "false" or "0" and have if(value) still evaluate to false, yes? |
| 08:45.57 | cbreak_work | with the possible exception that every value that is not set is nil |
| 08:45.59 | Shirik | yes there is, cbreak_work |
| 08:46.02 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: except it breaks |
| 08:46.03 | jnwhiteh | plain and simple |
| 08:46.05 | nebula169 | flase works |
| 08:46.06 | jnwhiteh | read te Lua Ref Man |
| 08:46.07 | nebula169 | false, even |
| 08:46.09 | Shirik | you don't ever put nil into an array |
| 08:46.15 | cbreak_work | nothing breaks. all works exactly as documented. |
| 08:46.18 | nebula169 | nil clears the key |
| 08:46.26 | Shirik | You simply don't have an entry there |
| 08:46.31 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: you are being obtuse on purpose |
| 08:46.36 | jnwhiteh | and it is not helpful |
| 08:46.42 | jnwhiteh | you can't EVER have a 'nil' value in a table |
| 08:46.44 | jnwhiteh | plain and simple |
| 08:46.54 | cbreak_work | no, I am exact. Every key that is not set is nil. |
| 08:47.03 | jnwhiteh | You can have the absence of a value, which EVALUATES to nil |
| 08:47.07 | jnwhiteh | tat is not teh same tihng |
| 08:47.09 | Shirik | nil is not in the table at all |
| 08:47.11 | cbreak_work | if you put nil into a table as value, it frees that spot |
| 08:47.12 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: ten tose keys are not in te table. |
| 08:47.26 | jnwhiteh | fundamental problem with what you are saying |
| 08:47.28 | Shirik | I think you lost your 'h' key |
| 08:47.31 | jnwhiteh | nil in that case indicates that the value is unset |
| 08:47.36 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: this is true. |
| 08:47.53 | jnwhiteh | a non-set key is NOT in the table |
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| 08:47.56 | Jiyambi | heh, I have caused a discussion :) Well, setting it to false should work for me, thanks very much for answering my question :) |
| 08:48.03 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:48.09 | Shirik | :) |
| 08:48.25 | Shirik | developers argue all the time |
| 08:48.36 | Shirik | it's a sign that the field is still actually active |
| 08:48.48 | jnwhiteh | its when everyone agrees that you have to worry |
| 08:49.02 | cbreak_work | sometimes it makes sense to see a table as containing every key imaginable |
| 08:49.20 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: but neither the refman or the implementation do this |
| 08:49.25 | jnwhiteh | they make it explicitly the opposite, actually |
| 08:49.42 | cbreak_work | it's the effect of the implementation |
| 08:49.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:49.56 | jnwhiteh | so wen we're actually sticking to talking about Lua, it makes sense to do that. |
| 08:50.06 | Fisker | why don't you argue with me all the time Shirik ? |
| 08:50.20 | Shirik | Fisker, I do, you just don't hear me |
| 08:50.36 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: |
| 08:50.39 | jnwhiteh | Returns three values: the next function, the table t, and nil, so that the construction |
| 08:50.39 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.39 | jnwhiteh | will iterate over all keyâvalue pairs of table t. |
| 08:50.46 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: if what you said was correct, pairs() would return it |
| 08:50.47 | jnwhiteh | plain and simple |
| 08:50.50 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't, because it doesn't. |
| 08:51.01 | Fisker | i disagree Shirik |
| 08:51.04 | Fisker | also Kaelten hates me |
| 08:51.05 | cbreak_work | no, pairs doesn't give anything nil |
| 08:51.24 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: no, but it stops returning keys |
| 08:51.24 | Jiyambi | Drat, table.insert still doesn't seem to be properly inserting false. |
| 08:51.32 | jnwhiteh | meaning thehre are no more keys |
| 08:51.45 | cbreak_work | the iterator returned by pairs returns all non-nil keys and associated values |
| 08:51.46 | jnwhiteh | the refman is the language spec |
| 08:51.51 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: a no |
| 08:51.56 | jnwhiteh | it returns all key/value pairs |
| 08:51.59 | jnwhiteh | as it succinctly says |
| 08:52.00 | jnwhiteh | in your world |
| 08:52.03 | cbreak_work | and after that it returns nil |
| 08:52.13 | jnwhiteh | ["foo"] = nil; is a key value pair |
| 08:52.19 | jnwhiteh | why isn't it returned? |
| 08:52.23 | cbreak_work | no |
| 08:52.50 | cbreak_work | it's nil |
| 08:53.30 | jnwhiteh | you said that sometimes its useful to see a table as having every key set to nil |
| 08:53.43 | jnwhiteh | that means in that table ther eis a key/value pair wit all keys set to nil |
| 08:53.48 | jnwhiteh | why aren't tose returned by pairs? |
| 08:54.00 | Shirik | I have the ultimate solution for this debate |
| 08:54.01 | jnwhiteh | because the language does not work that way, in the specification of the language |
| 08:54.17 | nebula169 | pairs is a typist, hating on nils |
| 08:54.23 | Shirik | t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function() return 1; end}) |
| 08:54.31 | Shirik | What is every key in t set to? |
| 08:54.41 | jnwhiteh | nebula169: well in Lua, it wins, because its the only way to examine all key/value pairs in a table |
| 08:54.43 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: nil |
| 08:54.44 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: read what I write |
| 08:54.47 | nebula169 | :p |
| 08:54.58 | Shirik | I would argue the correct answer is nothing. I don't really see how you can argue it to be nil. |
| 08:55.02 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: I have a habit of doing tat, so I am waiting with baited breath. |
| 08:55.14 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: pairs returns only non nil keys and associated values. Do I have to insert brackets into that sentence so you can parse it? |
| 08:55.24 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: every key in that table is unset. However, there is a metatable that returns 1 for any of tehse unset keys. |
| 08:55.40 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: Do you ave to be an ass or are you just choosing to? |
| 08:56.00 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: the pairs() function, in the language specification, says nothing about non-nil keys and associated values. |
| 08:56.01 | cbreak_work | seems you're out of even pretending to have arguments... |
| 08:56.08 | Shirik | Except cbreak |
| 08:56.10 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: So why would you assume that? |
| 08:56.12 | Shirik | That's not what pairs returns |
| 08:56.20 | Shirik | "Allows a program to traverse all fields of a table." |
| 08:56.20 | jnwhiteh | "will iterate over all keyâvalue pairs of table t." |
| 08:57.07 | jnwhiteh | Now, if you want to argue that nil valued keys are not "key-value pairs" then it's easy to say that they are not in the table, plain and simple. |
| 08:57.16 | jnwhiteh | you can't have it both ways |
| 08:57.20 | jnwhiteh | I agree CONCEPTUALLY tat you are correct |
| 08:57.29 | jnwhiteh | but the language specification and thus te language disagree with you |
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| 08:57.48 | jnwhiteh | also |
| 08:57.49 | jnwhiteh | "Tables can be heterogeneous; that is, they can contain values of all types (except nil)" |
| 08:57.51 | Shadowed | I always enjoy watching someone argue that jnwhiteh is wrong |
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| 08:57.53 | jnwhiteh | tat says it plain as day |
| 08:57.56 | jnwhiteh | a table cannot contain a nil value |
| 08:57.58 | Shadowed | it's always good entertainment |
| 08:58.00 | jnwhiteh | In the language spec |
| 08:58.09 | jnwhiteh | anything that doesn't follow te spec isn't "Lua" |
| 08:58.12 | jnwhiteh | Q.E.D. |
| 08:58.20 | Shirik | Shadowed: There's always one good way to counter jnwhiteh |
| 08:58.26 | cbreak_work | nil is a special value and type |
| 08:58.33 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: "Tables can be heterogeneous; that is, they can contain values of all types (except nil)" |
| 08:58.40 | Shirik | "You use a mac. Therefore, your credibility is 0. QED." |
| 08:59.03 | Shirik | but seriously cbreak, next() is quite clear that it iterates over every field |
| 08:59.04 | nebula169 | lol |
| 08:59.07 | jnwhiteh | http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/user/admin/119 |
| 08:59.09 | Shirik | it doesn't say anything about next |
| 08:59.11 | Shirik | er |
| 08:59.12 | Shirik | nil |
| 08:59.20 | Shirik | well it says a lot about nil but not for values |
| 08:59.31 | cbreak_work | what is the content of a global variable? |
| 08:59.31 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: I 100% agree with you conceptually.. it's very useful to view tables like that.. but they are not like that. |
| 08:59.49 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: te associate value in te _G or _ENV table with te key with thhe same name of te 'global' variable. |
| 08:59.57 | Shirik | cbreak_work: Nothing until it is set |
| 09:00.05 | Shirik | However, nothing evaluates to nil when it must evaluate to a value |
| 09:00.12 | Shirik | nothing is not a value, it is a lack of a value |
| 09:00.15 | cbreak_work | does it make sense to say "this global variable EXISTS" |
| 09:00.17 | Shirik | local a,b,c = 1; |
| 09:00.19 | Shirik | What are b and c? |
| 09:00.20 | jnwhiteh | keeping in mind tat you ave to make a distinction between 'variable identifiers' and 'values keyed by a name in te global or environment table' |
| 09:00.23 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: no, it doesn't. |
| 09:00.30 | Shirik | They become nil because Lua evaluates nothing to nil |
| 09:00.33 | jnwhiteh | because of the syntactic sugar |
| 09:00.34 | cbreak_work | or do all globals exist? |
| 09:00.43 | jnwhiteh | neither |
| 09:00.46 | jnwhiteh | LOCAL variables exist |
| 09:00.50 | jnwhiteh | because they are explicitly declared |
| 09:00.57 | jnwhiteh | global variables are just entries in a table |
| 09:01.03 | cbreak_work | it's obviously that globals can exist |
| 09:01.09 | jnwhiteh | I disagree |
| 09:01.16 | cbreak_work | but can globals also not exist? |
| 09:01.19 | jnwhiteh | there can be a value associated with a given key in the global or environment table |
| 09:01.24 | jnwhiteh | well I disagree with your first premise |
| 09:01.29 | jnwhiteh | so I don't have to answer the second =) |
| 09:01.35 | cbreak_work | exactly. globals are table entries |
| 09:01.38 | jnwhiteh | yes |
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| 09:16.59 | industrial | boohoohoo vim :( my HTMl/CSS/JS indentation doesn't work in .php documents |
| 09:17.02 | Shadowed | From what I heard, it has some memory leaks so it has to be restarted every once in a while |
| 09:17.08 | industrial | I have set filetype plugin indent on and syntax on |
| 09:17.10 | industrial | and ft=php |
| 09:17.10 | Mirrormn | seems like it would be ; for languages that require them |
| 09:17.15 | industrial | I don't understand :( |
| 09:17.15 | Shirik | a = setmetatable({}, {__call = function(self) return self; end}) a{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} |
| 09:17.23 | Shirik | only 2 sets of parentheses ^ |
| 09:17.43 | Mirrormn | yeah but people don't actually write code that way |
| 09:17.51 | Shadowed | Shirik does |
| 09:18.06 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: It uses basically what you tell it with -Xm####m but java itself leaks a little bit over time. The bigger enemy to shared resources _by far_ is disk I/O |
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| 09:18.14 | Mirrormn | that's like saying carriage returns "shouldn't" be common in lua because you can write your whole program on one line |
| 09:18.24 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: yeah I've seen that |
| 09:18.30 | Shadowed | I program in one line to save disk space |
| 09:18.32 | jnwhiteh | I back up my minecraft saves directory to dropbox.com |
| 09:18.34 | Shadowed | and so my addons download faster |
| 09:18.41 | jnwhiteh | and anytime te world is altered, 1k files to sync. |
| 09:18.48 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: okay rowne. |
| 09:18.58 | Dagmar | I have one I mess with, and on a machine with sata II disks by itself it can definitely keep the box busy if I move a lot. |
| 09:19.01 | Shadowed | if I was rowne I'd rename the variables too |
| 09:19.08 | Dagmar | Terrain generation also luvxors your clockcycles |
| 09:19.17 | jnwhiteh | I end up running it on my 4 core office machine that runs nothing |
| 09:19.22 | jnwhiteh | then ssh tunnel in to play |
| 09:19.27 | jnwhiteh | but its not smp =/ |
| 09:19.45 | Dagmar | That's actually pretty good. Even two cores makes java happier |
| 09:19.48 | jnwhiteh | and I can't quite figure out how to tunnel from wowprogramming.com to expose the port on my office machine |
| 09:19.55 | Dagmar | It'll just dump the garbage collector onto the other core |
| 09:20.08 | cbreak_work | ssh port forwarding |
| 09:20.19 | Shirik | jnwhiteh, dropbox is evil :( |
| 09:20.29 | Shirik | are you actually running a server like that? |
| 09:20.30 | unfo- | wtf... dropbox is evil?! |
| 09:20.40 | Shirik | I would expect dropbox to kill the server |
| 09:20.49 | jnwhiteh | huh |
| 09:20.52 | jnwhiteh | wy would dropbox be evil |
| 09:20.55 | Dagmar | You don't back up maps while the server is running |
| 09:20.57 | jnwhiteh | and dropbox can't 'kill te server' |
| 09:20.59 | jnwhiteh | so wtf are you talking about. |
| 09:21.04 | Shirik | Because dropbox takes random locks on files like it owns your computer |
| 09:21.05 | Dagmar | Really bad things happen if you try that |
| 09:21.18 | jnwhiteh | I've never had a single locking issue |
| 09:21.19 | Shirik | I've had so many issues because I can't complete transactions because dropbox was like "OMG STUFF CHANGED SUBMIT NAO" before I was done |
| 09:21.32 | Dagmar | Oh no problems there |
| 09:21.32 | jnwhiteh | perhaps because you're on a second rate operating system? |
| 09:21.37 | Shirik | ._. |
| 09:21.40 | jnwhiteh | that ahs a shit file system abstraction? |
| 09:21.42 | Dagmar | Minecraft stores the maps in about four jillion teeny little drives |
| 09:21.51 | Dagmar | It hates thumbdrive filesystems with white hot passion |
| 09:22.04 | Dagmar | er s/little drives/little files/ |
| 09:22.14 | Xyphoid | mm, unzipping skylands was unpleasant |
| 09:22.19 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 09:22.54 | Dagmar | I've got an SP map I tote aroudn on a thumbdrive and the only thing that makes it not really piss off the drive is that it's on a truecrypt volume |
| 09:23.02 | Dagmar | ...which is not quite so anal about inodes |
| 09:23.13 | jnwhiteh | gah I need to create like 15 graphviz figures now |
| 09:23.37 | industrial | jnwhiteh: for why :) |
| 09:23.42 | Shirik | that reminds me |
| 09:23.43 | jnwhiteh | my talk tomorrow. |
| 09:23.44 | Shirik | I have a new side project |
| 09:23.59 | Shirik | I'm going to compute all of the articles that link to Wikipedia's page on Adolf Hitler |
| 09:24.05 | Shirik | then all of the articles that link to those pages |
| 09:24.08 | jnwhiteh | Godwin's? |
| 09:24.09 | Shirik | and so on, 5 levels deep |
| 09:24.09 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:24.15 | Shirik | and then build a graph out of that |
| 09:24.29 | Corrodias2 | cool |
| 09:24.56 | Mirrormn | 5 levels deep... |
| 09:25.11 | industrial | jnwhiteh: will it be recorded? |
| 09:25.12 | Mirrormn | that sounds like it could have a prohibitively large branching factor |
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| 09:25.26 | Shirik | Well there are about 9500 pages that link to Hitler |
| 09:25.27 | Mirrormn | you might end up indexing all of wikipedia |
| 09:25.27 | jnwhiteh | industrial: no, I can post the paper and slids if you want to |
| 09:25.35 | Shirik | I argue that may be on the higher end |
| 09:25.38 | industrial | oki |
| 09:25.42 | Shirik | so if we estimate 5000 pages per page |
| 09:25.48 | Shirik | lua> 9500 * 5000^4 |
| 09:25.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5.9375e+18 |
| 09:25.53 | Shirik | hm |
| 09:25.57 | Shirik | well obviously that's not possible |
| 09:26.04 | Shirik | I guess I shouldn't count redirects |
| 09:26.34 | mitch0 | [mitch@mcc014257 wow]$ find . -name '*.lua' | xargs cat | ./charfreq.pl | sort -n |tail -3 |
| 09:26.35 | mitch0 | 127177 0074 t |
| 09:26.35 | mitch0 | 172616 0065 e |
| 09:26.35 | mitch0 | 220755 0020 |
| 09:26.49 | mitch0 | space wins |
| 09:27.44 | wbc_ | How may I add a font to the libsharedmedia, so that I can get the font in several addons? |
| 09:27.50 | Shirik | mysql> SELECT COUNT(1) FROM pagelinks INNER JOIN page ON page_id = pl_from WHERE pl_title = "Adolf_Hitler" AND pl_namespace = 0 AND page_is_redirect = 0\G |
| 09:27.50 | Shirik | COUNT(1): 9428 |
| 09:27.55 | Shirik | I guess that's not much less :/ |
| 09:28.21 | Shirik | actually |
| 09:28.29 | Shirik | it would be really interesting to see if it does break 3 million articles |
| 09:28.48 | Shirik | if that much can link to Hitler in 5 steps |
| 09:29.53 | foxlit | Templates, Shirik, Templates |
| 09:30.44 | foxlit | Virtually anything links to a year, years link to each other, 1945 links to world war, world war links to hitler. |
| 09:32.35 | Mirrormn | eh |
| 09:32.51 | Mirrormn | a lot of things link to years, but I dunno about *everything* |
| 09:33.29 | Mirrormn | also I would imagine Hitler links to a year directly, no need for the world way redirect |
| 09:33.34 | Mirrormn | *war |
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| 09:34.42 | Shirik | but it's not about what hitler links to |
| 09:34.46 | Shirik | but rather what links to hitler |
| 09:35.03 | Mirrormn | mmm |
| 09:35.15 | Mirrormn | well I'm sure a year links to hitler |
| 09:35.30 | jnwhiteh | and therefore all other years link to hitler =) |
| 09:35.41 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 09:36.20 | Mirrormn | any year -> hitler-linking year -> hitler that's only 2 links |
| 09:36.22 | foxlit | [they cut down the years interlinking a bit since I last played this game] |
| 09:36.38 | Mirrormn | so you'll end up with any article that's 3 links away from any year |
| 09:37.11 | Mirrormn | unrelatedly |
| 09:37.16 | Mirrormn | I really hate my headphones |
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| 09:44.33 | Shirik | night |
| 09:44.49 | Mitigation | good night |
| 09:55.22 | Elkano | wbc_ ping |
| 09:55.43 | wbc_ | ? |
| 09:56.05 | wbc_ | Wait, you are Elkano from Elkano buffbars? |
| 09:56.16 | Elkano | are you writing an addon and want to share the font with other addons or do you want to register a font for yourself? |
| 09:56.31 | Elkano | and yes, THE Elkano from EBB, LibSharedMedia, ... ^^ |
| 09:56.37 | bluspacecow | yes he is |
| 09:56.42 | bluspacecow | now wheres his beer ? |
| 09:56.59 | Elkano | hey.. I#m sitting in a lecture here... |
| 09:57.04 | Elkano | ...so the beer sounds good :) |
| 09:57.11 | wbc_ | Well, I kind of sorted it out. Just wanted a font to be added so other addons can use the font |
| 09:57.49 | Elkano | if it's for your own use, install SharedMedia and use its MyMedia part explained in the text file it brings :9 |
| 09:58.48 | wbc_ | I used fontain and overwrote the .tff files that already were in its folder |
| 09:59.39 | Elkano | for local use that will work but via SharedMedia it's a lot cleaner solution ^^ |
| 09:59.50 | wbc_ | Yeah, hehe |
| 10:01.12 | wbc_ | Is it possible to make fonts bold in WoW? |
| 10:01.41 | wbc_ | Then I'm talking about OpenType fonts |
| 10:02.12 | zenzio | "I, for one, feel much safer knowing the TSA is protecting us from impressionable minds warped by too much Dora the Explorer." |
| 10:02.31 | bluspacecow | what |
| 10:02.38 | bluspacecow | you can never have too much Dora the Explorer |
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| 10:05.38 | zenzio | "During 2009 and 2010, all major open-source projects on earth gravitated away from SVN." - sounds like a bit of a generalisation |
| 10:05.59 | Mirrormn | no true scotsman maybe |
| 10:06.11 | Mirrormn | "if it didn't gravitate away from svn, it wasn't a major project" |
| 10:06.34 | Corrodias2 | sounds likely |
| 10:06.43 | Corrodias2 | writer's got a beef with svn |
| 10:07.02 | cbreak_work | hmm... |
| 10:07.08 | krka | isn't subversion itself an open source project? |
| 10:07.13 | krka | you could consider it fairly major |
| 10:07.14 | zenzio | I'd say so |
| 10:07.29 | cbreak_work | gravitate |ËgraviËtÄt| verb [ intrans. ] move toward or be |
| 10:07.42 | jnwhiteh | except it seems fairly clear to me that he's using hyperbole |
| 10:07.56 | zenzio | "During the next years, every major open-source project migrated away from Subversion towards Git (and www.github.com provided a really huge, huge hosting service), making it the strongest and coolest SCM on earth." |
| 10:08.03 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 10:08.10 | jnwhiteh | so no just biased, absurdly ridiculous |
| 10:08.11 | jnwhiteh | fantastic =) |
| 10:08.37 | bluspacecow | sounds nummy |
| 10:09.00 | bluspacecow | *grabs a svn out of the air and makes a delicious SVN sammich* |
| 10:09.52 | zenzio | http://codicesoftware.blogspot.com/2010/11/version-control-timeline.html - I do actually believe it's not meant to be an unbiased or entirely serious post, but still :-p |
| 10:10.13 | jnwhiteh | hee |
| 10:10.31 | cbreak_work | git is way better than svn though. |
| 10:10.46 | cbreak_work | in almost 80% of the situations. probably more. |
| 10:11.10 | zenzio | cbreak_work: I'm not arguing which is better, just the way he presents his opinoins |
| 10:11.19 | zenzio | *opinions |
| 10:12.09 | bluspacecow | -_- lolz @ an addon user advocating changing the TOC number to get fubar working again .... |
| 10:12.22 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: I have difficulty coming up with one way in which SVN is better |
| 10:12.26 | jnwhiteh | perhaps I'm short-sighted tho. |
| 10:12.58 | Corrodias2 | the name is better |
| 10:13.12 | jnwhiteh | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/11/16/0545226/Blizzard-Seeking-Console-Devs-For-emDiabloem-Related-Concept?from=rss |
| 10:13.13 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 10:13.35 | Kalroth | yeah, they're looking into it, not comitting to anything yet though |
| 10:13.40 | zenzio | I can't speak objetively about git, as I've never used it; but I tend to feel it's aimed at different styles of work or something. I don't work with other people on my hobby projects, why would I want a distributed thing? |
| 10:14.03 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: one of the only shortcommings of git is that it doesn't deal well with big binary data |
| 10:14.19 | cbreak_work | git can easily use the same workflow as svn does |
| 10:14.23 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: that's presicely WHY you want something distributed |
| 10:14.30 | Elkano | well, with git you can commit without connection to the remote repository... |
| 10:14.32 | jnwhiteh | should you be able to commit code without being connected to the internet? |
| 10:14.45 | jnwhiteh | I work by myself, and I need that.. and can't do it with svn without a nightmare |
| 10:15.12 | Elkano | clad, beat you by 2 seconds :P |
| 10:15.17 | Mirrormn | what is the point of committing code if you're not connected to the internet? |
| 10:15.25 | jnwhiteh | small changes, many commits |
| 10:15.31 | zenzio | I don't do that |
| 10:15.34 | jnwhiteh | you push them to the server when you're connected |
| 10:15.49 | jnwhiteh | version control shouldn't be about sessions, it should be about changes |
| 10:15.54 | jnwhiteh | if I fix one bug, introduce one feature |
| 10:15.59 | Elkano | well, it allows to better keep track of changes you made to fix specific bugs and such |
| 10:16.00 | jnwhiteh | they shouldn't be in the same commit unless they're immediatelyr elated |
| 10:16.02 | krka | commits based on content, not connectivity |
| 10:16.12 | jnwhiteh | then if I want to revert the feature and keep the bugfix, I can do this easily |
| 10:16.20 | zenzio | anyway, I'm not interested in arguing since it's lunch time; and I have no beef with people who like git - but I'm happy with my svn |
| 10:16.26 | krka | you can even do offline branching, which is nice |
| 10:16.28 | jnwhiteh | mmm |
| 10:16.29 | jnwhiteh | lunch |
| 10:16.31 | jnwhiteh | beef. |
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| 10:16.33 | jnwhiteh | you are the devi;. |
| 10:16.41 | bluspacecow | the devi ? |
| 10:16.43 | Elkano | zenzio, I see the advantages of git, but I still use svn, too ^^ |
| 10:16.46 | jnwhiteh | devil |
| 10:16.49 | jnwhiteh | most of my keys don't work right now. |
| 10:16.54 | Mirrormn | the only reason I like SVN is because TortoiseSVN is super easy to use |
| 10:16.57 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 10:17.09 | krka | I've heard good things about TortoiseHG |
| 10:17.13 | jnwhiteh | i don't use programs if I have to touch my house |
| 10:17.14 | jnwhiteh | mouse |
| 10:17.16 | jnwhiteh | god damnit. |
| 10:17.17 | Corrodias2 | oh interesting, you do batches of commits with git? so if you get a conflict, all your commits are conflicted? |
| 10:17.27 | jnwhiteh | Corrodias2: no, you can trivially merge them |
| 10:17.30 | krka | not at all |
| 10:17.34 | jnwhiteh | rebasing your lcoal copy is the easiest way to do em |
| 10:17.42 | Corrodias2 | > trivially merging a significant conflict |
| 10:17.47 | jnwhiteh | you have to do that manually |
| 10:17.51 | jnwhiteh | btu only that changeset fails to apply |
| 10:17.56 | jnwhiteh | its actually really nice |
| 10:18.01 | jnwhiteh | and you can do it all in a local branch |
| 10:18.07 | jnwhiteh | see if it works, and then do it in the mainline branch if it does |
| 10:18.09 | Elkano | Mirrormn, there's TortoiseGit ^^ |
| 10:18.21 | jnwhiteh | otherwise, you can fix the merge and then fast-forward the main branch |
| 10:18.27 | Mirrormn | In that case I'll probably use Git for my next project |
| 10:18.32 | jnwhiteh | the main point is, none of these operations require touching the server |
| 10:18.36 | jnwhiteh | that's the beauty of dscm |
| 10:18.40 | Mirrormn | as it does sound a lot better than SVN |
| 10:18.45 | jnwhiteh | and its even better if you work on your own, imo |
| 10:18.53 | krka | the git toolset can very confusing at times though |
| 10:19.02 | jnwhiteh | they always say that SVN is CVS done right.. but you can't do something right if its fundamentally flawed in the first place =) |
| 10:19.09 | jnwhiteh | krka: yeah, some people have that issue |
| 10:19.13 | cbreak_work | git is extremely powerful despite it's simplicity |
| 10:19.17 | jnwhiteh | it 'just works' with me tho.. apparently I think like a git person |
| 10:19.17 | cbreak_work | but you have to understand it to use it |
| 10:19.22 | jnwhiteh | hg confuses me a bit more |
| 10:19.29 | mitch0 | anyone using the wow remote AH thing? is it worth the 3 EUR? |
| 10:19.29 | krka | it works fine for the usual workflow |
| 10:19.36 | krka | it's local changes when i do pulls that get me |
| 10:19.41 | cbreak_work | I managed to convince many people here to use git instead of SVN ;) |
| 10:19.41 | jnwhiteh | industrial: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/642175/ghttp-animation.zip |
| 10:19.46 | cbreak_work | so we deployed a git server |
| 10:19.59 | jnwhiteh | krka: ah, I fetch and rebase normally |
| 10:20.02 | krka | i get stuff like this: |
| 10:20.02 | krka | krka@krkalaptop:~/git/Fettle$ git pull |
| 10:20.03 | krka | Updating d2dbd86..cff5349 |
| 10:20.03 | krka | error: Entry 'src/se/hiflyer/fettle/BasicStateMachine.java' not uptodate. Cannot merge. |
| 10:20.07 | jnwhiteh | cbreak_work: the beauty of gitolite is HUGE tho |
| 10:20.09 | krka | just because i have some local changes |
| 10:20.13 | jnwhiteh | krka: ah, stash =) |
| 10:20.17 | cbreak_work | yes. |
| 10:20.18 | jnwhiteh | git stash; git pull --rebase ; git stash apply |
| 10:20.18 | Elkano | mitch0, iirc it allows (or will allow) to chat with the guild while offline, too |
| 10:20.19 | krka | i guess i shouldn't pull with local changes |
| 10:20.24 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 10:20.28 | jnwhiteh | stash em, pull then apply |
| 10:20.30 | krka | but it works with svn :P |
| 10:20.32 | Corrodias2 | freebasing your stash |
| 10:20.33 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:20.35 | mitch0 | elkano: I'm kinda guildless and not a very social person anyway ;) |
| 10:20.38 | Corrodias2 | this explains where the idea of git came from |
| 10:20.43 | cbreak_work | krka: unlike svn, git will not destroy local changes |
| 10:20.55 | krka | svn won't really destroy either, it will merge |
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| 10:21.06 | krka | if it can't merge with local, you get a conflict |
| 10:21.07 | cbreak_work | svn has no remorse, an will try to merge it, and if it fails, it'll put in conflict markers without any hesitation |
| 10:21.17 | mitch0 | and it'll save the original version |
| 10:21.18 | krka | it keeps your original file though |
| 10:21.20 | mitch0 | and the repo version |
| 10:21.21 | Corrodias2 | right, and then you go resolve it |
| 10:21.27 | mitch0 | stop bashing svn for stupid reasons |
| 10:21.38 | krka | yeah, there are already plenty of good reasons to bash it |
| 10:21.46 | mitch0 | also, moving to hg from svn is easier imo |
| 10:21.55 | krka | like the whole branch tracking |
| 10:22.32 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: you really think so? |
| 10:22.39 | mitch0 | yes |
| 10:22.44 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 10:22.51 | mitch0 | git gave me the shivers, hg was kinda straightforward |
| 10:22.52 | jnwhiteh | (i am not trolling) |
| 10:23.00 | jnwhiteh | but isn't that just your personal experience? |
| 10:23.05 | jnwhiteh | I found moving from svn to git was easier than svn to hg |
| 10:23.06 | mitch0 | indeed it is |
| 10:23.12 | jnwhiteh | I don't think there's anything inherently easier about the transition one way or the other |
| 10:23.17 | mitch0 | hence the "imo" at the end of that sentence |
| 10:23.19 | jnwhiteh | its a matter of personal experience/opinion |
| 10:23.25 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 10:23.39 | jnwhiteh | branching and tagging in svn always made me cry, in a hardcore way. |
| 10:23.40 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 10:23.41 | cbreak_work | I found moving from svn to git much easier than starting with svn |
| 10:24.02 | Corrodias2 | you mean creating a repository? |
| 10:24.14 | mitch0 | *shrug* I started with rcs -> cvs -> svn, so svn wasn't such a leap |
| 10:24.17 | cbreak_work | that too, but I mean learning |
| 10:24.49 | Kalroth | i like svn, but our old source control was a shared network folder so ... |
| 10:24.51 | mitch0 | I just hate that they didn't include a "default repo layout" option in svn. there were big flames back then about it but they just refused |
| 10:24.56 | Corrodias2 | oh. hm. well, they both must be pretty easy, then, if my experience means anything. |
| 10:25.23 | mitch0 | we'd have lot less crying if svn branch mybranch would just to the obvous thing |
| 10:25.47 | Corrodias2 | though the stupid version we have to use use doesn't support merging branches, as far as we can tell |
| 10:26.17 | cbreak_work | that sounds rather useless |
| 10:26.22 | Corrodias2 | yyyyyyeah |
| 10:26.29 | cbreak_work | the last thing you'd want to do with a branch is merging it. |
| 10:26.46 | mitch0 | does the wow-remote subscription work the same way as the normal subscription w/r to cancelling? that is, if I subscribe then immediately unsub, do I still get to use it for 1 month? |
| 10:27.27 | mitch0 | cbreak: huh? some folks use feature branches. then you obviously need to merge |
| 10:27.34 | Corrodias2 | what's the recommended way to try making significant changes without polluting the trunk until you're sure it works? |
| 10:27.46 | mitch0 | branches |
| 10:27.47 | Corrodias2 | work locally and pray nothing happens to your copy? |
| 10:27.54 | cbreak_work | mitch0: that's what I said |
| 10:27.55 | Corrodias2 | that's what i thought. |
| 10:28.02 | cbreak_work | when you're done with the branch, you want to merge it |
| 10:28.09 | mitch0 | ah |
| 10:28.34 | Corrodias2 | oh. it's a common idiom here to say that the thing you absolutely never want to do is the "last thing" you would want to do |
| 10:28.36 | mitch0 | cbreak: "the last thing you want to do ... " is usually parsed as "you really never want to do this" :) |
| 10:28.40 | mitch0 | hence my confusion |
| 10:28.59 | jnwhiteh | ah 'English' |
| 10:29.08 | Kalroth | well branching sucks ass :P |
| 10:29.09 | cbreak_work | hmm... well, I actually meant it as "when you're done with the branch, you want to merge it" |
| 10:29.13 | Kalroth | so you dont want to do that! |
| 10:29.15 | jnwhiteh | my face hurts: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/EIXF1kZxhCc/ |
| 10:29.17 | jnwhiteh | OUCH |
| 10:29.25 | Corrodias2 | right, imagine our confusion when we got the error that the server doesn't support it |
| 10:29.34 | Corrodias2 | the hell was the point of it all |
| 10:29.38 | cbreak_work | switch servers :/ |
| 10:29.41 | cbreak_work | or switch to git! |
| 10:29.45 | Kalroth | doesnt support what? |
| 10:29.46 | mitch0 | or hg |
| 10:29.47 | Corrodias2 | we are, unfortunately, not in control of that |
| 10:29.51 | cbreak_work | I managed to set up a gitolite server in two hours |
| 10:29.53 | Corrodias2 | merging a branch |
| 10:29.59 | mitch0 | cbreak: har har |
| 10:30.01 | cbreak_work | and that was with figuring out how to use this redhat thing we use |
| 10:30.07 | mitch0 | "hg serve" <- setup |
| 10:30.15 | cbreak_work | and compiling git |
| 10:30.21 | Kalroth | why do you want to merge a branch? what is the point of branching then? :) |
| 10:30.21 | cbreak_work | and installing it on the server |
| 10:30.35 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: feature branches? |
| 10:30.45 | krka | and experimental branches |
| 10:30.48 | Corrodias2 | asdfgl |
| 10:30.53 | mitch0 | qwerty |
| 10:30.56 | Kalroth | Sure, but you dont merge those back in? |
| 10:31.02 | Corrodias2 | you do |
| 10:31.03 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:31.09 | jnwhiteh | when they're done |
| 10:31.09 | cbreak_work | I have quite a few experimental branches that I just killed |
| 10:31.09 | mitch0 | so, what about cancelling the wow-remote subs. does it stay working for the rest of the month? |
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| 10:31.40 | Kalroth | We branch a lot here, but its either experimental stuff or its production releases |
| 10:32.01 | Kalroth | you mean when you have to update trunk with patches made to a branch? |
| 10:33.15 | Kalroth | because we do that manually, since merging of branches suck (regardless of the tool) |
| 10:33.37 | Corrodias2 | no doubt |
| 10:34.08 | Kalroth | but its usually only a single patch, a few lines etc. |
| 10:34.17 | Kalroth | so its easy to import into the trunk |
| 10:34.30 | krka | which tools have you tried? |
| 10:34.52 | cbreak_work | branching and merging in git is cake. |
| 10:34.58 | krka | mmm cake |
| 10:34.58 | cbreak_work | very convenient |
| 10:35.03 | mitch0 | uhm |
| 10:35.05 | krka | will there be cake? |
| 10:36.06 | Kalroth | We use SVN and Team Foundation (ick!) at work, we used to use CVS a long time ago and I've tried git a little, but it didnt seem to have any major benefits when merging (over SVN) |
| 10:36.20 | Kalroth | branching is very, very easy in SVN |
| 10:36.20 | krka | it's night and day |
| 10:36.28 | krka | sure, it's just a copy |
| 10:36.57 | Kalroth | merging unchanged code is easy in both SVN and git, but both systems choked when merging heavily modified code |
| 10:37.02 | mitch0 | wtb info on cancelling the wow-remote ah subscription. I can't believe the only way is to send a mail to blizz. |
| 10:37.08 | Kalroth | I always ended up having to do it manually |
| 10:38.15 | cbreak_work | one of the main benefits of git over svn is that it's history supports merging |
| 10:38.25 | cbreak_work | svn at most merges content |
| 10:38.37 | Kalroth | oh, that is nice |
| 10:39.09 | Kalroth | i rarely use the history though, only when i need to blame someone :P |
| 10:39.16 | cbreak_work | I use it a lot |
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| 10:39.21 | cbreak_work | that's why I use an SCM |
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| 10:40.50 | mitch0 | so, nobody is subscribed to the remote ah thing? |
| 10:40.59 | Kalroth | not i |
| 10:41.30 | cbreak_work | I see no purpose |
| 10:41.57 | mitch0 | well, I have limited play time and I hate farking around with the AH when I want to play |
| 10:42.01 | mitch0 | I could AH from work ;) |
| 10:46.11 | Xyphoid | i heard it had pretty tight limits on the transactions? |
| 10:54.19 | mitch0 | I just bought two stacks of thorium, so I'm a happy panda now |
| 10:55.02 | krka | meh, just use an ah-alt |
| 10:55.14 | krka | and the mailboxes |
| 10:55.32 | krka | Kalroth: blaming other people is like 90% of my work day though |
| 10:55.41 | Kalroth | >< |
| 10:56.06 | Kalroth | I can usually blame myself, since we're small teams of 2-4 people per project |
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| 10:57.13 | mitch0 | krka: can't do that from work |
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| 10:58.05 | krka | too crappy computer? |
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| 10:59.37 | mitch0 | heh, not only that |
| 10:59.50 | mitch0 | folks here wouldn't quite approve :) |
| 11:00.27 | mitch0 | anyway, it's super convenient, place stuff on AH from banks/mailbox/bags |
| 11:00.31 | mitch0 | I hateses it in-game |
| 11:00.55 | mitch0 | thus I never really auctioned stuff, everything went to vendor-trash |
| 11:01.07 | mitch0 | I'll give it a try for a month |
| 11:04.44 | batrick | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/11/dogs-dont-understand-basic-concepts.html |
| 11:06.01 | Mirrormn | that was a good one |
| 11:06.28 | cbreak_work | that Eve online char generator is nice |
| 11:06.38 | cbreak_work | a bit more options than in WoW |
| 11:07.59 | Elkano | anyone has any info about the event GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED? it's being registered for the ArcheologyUI but doesn't seem to fire as the name suggests :/ |
| 11:14.06 | Elkano | oh, I take that back, seems like with 4.0.3 it DOES fire :) |
| 11:14.44 | Elkano | but with no args :/ |
| 11:15.55 | mitch0 | elkano: is it worth the trouble? just poll GetItemInfo till it's there... |
| 11:16.03 | Elkano | well, try that for 80k items :P |
| 11:17.08 | mitch0 | and you think you'll be better off with this event? |
| 11:17.12 | mitch0 | 80k items is 80k items... |
| 11:26.59 | mikma | Over 9000 |
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| 11:40.06 | Elkano | mitch0, it's more about finding a way to know which of these items can be accessed without causing a request to the server :/ |
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| 11:41.13 | Zasurus | LOL I am just setting up translation on my addon and just realised that blizz doesn't even bother translating it's welcome message! |
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| 11:41.52 | Kalroth | translation sucks, hardcode English! |
| 11:42.38 | Mirrormn | hell yes |
| 11:42.57 | Zasurus | Kalroth: Although I would like it if the whole world was forced to speak english I feel it may upset a few ppl! ;-) |
| 11:43.22 | Maldivia | Elkano: did they change it again, so GetItemInfo doens't pull from server? |
| 11:43.51 | Elkano | Maldivia, no :/ |
| 11:44.08 | Maldivia | Elkano: also, the majority of items do not need a server query, since they are in the actual client patches now :) |
| 11:44.09 | Elkano | at least for the item's not in your cahce |
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| 11:45.44 | Maldivia | the concept of item cache is a bit fuzzy since 4.0 :) |
| 11:48.08 | Mirrormn | I love when I'm coding something and I have no idea wtf I'm doing and it just works perfectly anyway |
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| 11:52.21 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 11:54.15 | Computerpunk | hai2u2 |
| 11:58.45 | angayelle | i still have that reforging ui project in mind but got distracted by my tank frames addon lately |
| 12:00.14 | angayelle | will have to sort using sharedmedia widgets with xml/lua before being able to start it |
| 12:06.49 | angayelle | oh btw, i'm using Texture:SetWidth() to change the size of my hp bar but obviously this method wouldn't give good results with bars which a drawing inside, which would be completely distorted |
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| 12:06.59 | angayelle | which have* |
| 12:08.27 | angayelle | i thought about using MyTexture:SetTexCoordModifiesRect(enableFlag) instead, what dy'a think ? |
| 12:10.05 | angayelle | awww just saw it has been deprecated, back to drawing board then |
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| 12:21.28 | airtonix | you have a drawing board? |
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| 12:23.05 | angayelle | aye, a very small one tho |
| 12:23.18 | angayelle | napoleone ? |
| 12:23.38 | jadakren | its obviously causing a traffic congestion with the internet trucks |
| 12:23.50 | jadakren | oh shit |
| 12:24.33 | airtonix | dopplegangers |
| 12:25.00 | angayelle | i killed one once, he took my girlfriend appearence |
| 12:25.25 | angayelle | funny thing when he died he didn't switched back to his native form |
| 12:26.12 | angayelle | it was really like i was burying her, hey |
| 12:26.39 | angayelle | but i know it wasn't the case, was it ? |
| 12:27.22 | airtonix | why are you asking me |
| 12:27.30 | airtonix | i just kill zombies |
| 12:28.10 | angayelle | yeah i know, i thought you may have experience with dopplegangers |
| 12:28.31 | airtonix | only the wig wearing zombie kind |
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| 12:39.37 | mitch0 | hm. the wow-remote thing is strange. I subscribed then immediately unsubscribed. I bought some stuff, went for lunch. by the time I got back I had no subscription (and it seems they didn't deduct the money either) |
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| 13:05.35 | Mirrormn | looooool |
| 13:05.39 | Mirrormn | "Wisconsin man blasts his TV with a shotgun after Bristol Palin's performance on Dancing with the Stars" |
| 13:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid is as stupid does. |
| 13:06.27 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:07.04 | cbreak_work | let's blame microsoft for it. |
| 13:07.24 | cbreak_work | he must have been a kinect player who's mind was warped by the imersive environment it provides |
| 13:08.13 | greppy | or he didn't realize that by killing the TV, it would have no affect on Bristol Palin? |
| 13:08.34 | cbreak_work | hmm... yeah :/ |
| 13:08.37 | Lopeppeppy | Or he's just a freakin' lunatic who doesn't deserve pretty things. |
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| 13:19.12 | angayelle | he doesn't deserve me cause i r pretty things |
| 13:19.35 | Zasurus | :D |
| 13:21.36 | Lopeppeppy | exactly! |
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| 13:28.15 | Computerpunk | Dungeons |
| 13:28.15 | Computerpunk | In the Lich King Escape event, it is no longer possible to run past the first wall with Aspect of the Pack. |
| 13:28.17 | Computerpunk | Never knew about it. :< |
| 13:28.35 | unfo- | Computerpunk, i ran past it with dash and kitty |
| 13:28.39 | unfo- | Computerpunk, "oooooops" |
| 13:28.40 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well I has a job :) |
| 13:28.42 | unfo- | since i was tank :D |
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| 13:30.34 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! Which did you choose, MoonWitch|Mobile? |
| 13:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Why am I awake? *le sigh* |
| 13:32.20 | haste | because it's soon 3PM |
| 13:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | zomg no, it's soon 9am! :P |
| 13:33.18 | haste | lies, all lies! |
| 13:34.06 | greppy | it's almost 8am |
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| 13:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | Time is a spiral, space is a curve. |
| 13:36.03 | angayelle | haste is right is 14h30 there |
| 13:39.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sad that the FDA is pulling 4Loko before I got a chance to try it. |
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| 13:43.57 | durcyn | it's frat poison. |
| 13:44.16 | jnwhiteh | yeah wha the hell is it? |
| 13:44.42 | durcyn | energy drink with alcohol in it |
| 13:44.58 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:45.08 | Cide | alcohol drink with energy in it? |
| 13:45.13 | angayelle | youngster things, i'm not concerned |
| 13:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | The caffeine and sugar counterbalance the alcohol, so you don't feel yourself getting drunk... and get WAY too drunk. |
| 13:45.38 | angayelle | gud for girls tho |
| 13:45.39 | jnwhiteh | so no different from red bull and vodka? |
| 13:45.41 | durcyn | you also don't feel your liver dying |
| 13:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | I work on a college campus, so it's a big deal in my area right now. I just wanted to try it, I certainly wouldn't drink the whole thing. It's like 30 oz. |
| 13:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, pretty much, just larger quantities. |
| 13:46.00 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 13:46.03 | angayelle | red bull and vodka, taste so bad |
| 13:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure 4Loko is also nasty. I just like to see what the fuss is all about. |
| 13:47.36 | mitch0 | lopeppeppy: 1) buy generic energy drink. 2) buy generic strong alcoholic bewerage. 3) mix. 4) drink. 5) profit? |
| 13:48.10 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:49.19 | Cide | red bull and vodka tastes like red bull |
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| 13:49.27 | durcyn | mitch0: this one's especially egregious because the amount of caffeine included is apparently ridiculous |
| 13:49.48 | durcyn | so take a 5-Hour Energy and pour it in a bottle of wine |
| 13:49.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the balance is unreal. They call it blackout in a can. |
| 13:49.58 | Gyffes | hi |
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| 13:50.47 | Mirrormn | so get some like concentrated caffiene tablets |
| 13:51.07 | Mirrormn | and dissolve them in some Everclear |
| 13:51.10 | Mirrormn | profit! |
| 13:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't say it wasn't nasty or completely incomprehensible. Most of the fads are. :) |
| 13:53.18 | Gyffes | Hi, can someone help me with my addon? |
| 13:54.22 | jnwhiteh | you can ask your question |
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| 13:54.36 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure no one is willing to commit to anything wihtout more informaiton =) |
| 13:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ask specific questions, use the pastey in the channel topic to share your code, etc. etc. |
| 13:56.55 | Cide | don't paste 25 thousand lines etc |
| 13:57.31 | Mirrormn | also |
| 13:57.33 | Mirrormn | ~pil |
| 13:57.33 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 13:58.26 | Gyffes | the addon is not working properly but for no error message |
| 13:59.05 | angayelle | 1st question, do you have lua errors enabled ? |
| 13:59.43 | Gyffes | sorry my english is not so good |
| 13:59.47 | Gyffes | yes i have |
| 14:00.55 | angayelle | ok, if you can ask a precise question about your problem, do it |
| 14:01.27 | angayelle | if you can't, use http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ and give me a link |
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| 14:02.59 | Gyffes | ok thanks |
| 14:03.37 | Jamash | morning nerds and nerdettes |
| 14:06.56 | angayelle | hai |
| 14:07.20 | angayelle | oh and btw it's not morning at all, it's 3pm |
| 14:07.27 | Jamash | ~ugt |
| 14:07.27 | purl | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:07.43 | angayelle | ehe |
| 14:08.25 | angayelle | i r breaking rules |
| 14:08.35 | Thunder_Child | ~fgt |
| 14:08.36 | purl | Fail Greeting Time. This is when you use a time that does not coincide with the starter of the conversation, the loudest, most annoying channel user or in general, any idiot. |
| 14:09.37 | Jamash | purl is a font of useless useful information |
| 14:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice to her! |
| 14:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 14:09.55 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:09.58 | Kraps | angayelle: i'm sorry, this is america! |
| 14:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | She works hard, poor thing. |
| 14:10.09 | Jamash | america? |
| 14:10.11 | angayelle | i'll name my next child : purl |
| 14:10.12 | Jamash | no |
| 14:10.19 | Jamash | THIS IS WOWUIDEV! |
| 14:12.18 | Mirrormn | oh dear |
| 14:12.26 | Mirrormn | orgrimmar seems to be burning down :< |
| 14:12.30 | Jamash | s'ok |
| 14:12.37 | Jamash | we have a spare |
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| 14:13.24 | Jamash | you know when they built Stormwind Harbor there was a little bit of build-up where there was some construction equipment in place in an earlier patch |
| 14:13.40 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/11/dstat.jpg |
| 14:13.46 | Jamash | the Argent Colosseum had a fairly elaborate build-up |
| 14:13.58 | Jamash | New Orgrimmar? yeah, it just appears overnight |
| 14:14.28 | Jamash | if there's one thing Garrosh does well, it's getting stuff built ASAP |
| 14:15.18 | Kraps | he gets shit done |
| 14:15.35 | Jamash | he is, in fact, Warchief Of Getting Shit Done |
| 14:15.45 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i bought zombie driver |
| 14:15.55 | Kraps | i suck like that |
| 14:16.06 | Jamash | do you drive a zombie? |
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| 14:16.27 | Kraps | funnily enough, bo |
| 14:16.33 | Kraps | no* |
| 14:16.40 | Jamash | false advertising imo |
| 14:16.53 | Gyffes | hi angayelle hi have postet the code here is the link http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143065 |
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| 14:24.05 | angayelle | well i see alot of variables which i don't know where they're coming from, is this is the only file in your addon ? |
| 14:24.56 | Gyffes | no i cant post the last files |
| 14:25.25 | angayelle | it would be good cause i can't see where the problem with only this one |
| 14:25.40 | Gyffes | sorry i can |
| 14:32.22 | angayelle | first you slashcommand menu is split all over your code, there is no reason to do that, have a look at mine, it might not be the best way to do it but it's cleaner http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143066-bzd9 |
| 14:33.35 | angayelle | and i wonder why would you use UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage to output your messages |
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| 14:37.45 | Kraps | lol at youtube moving buttons around every other week |
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| 14:39.37 | Gyffes | So i have post the last files |
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| 14:41.48 | angayelle | oook, so where is your TOC file ? |
| 14:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I think I saw you on television last night. |
| 14:44.24 | Gyffes | i have eposted |
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| 14:44.28 | durcyn | Dancing With The Nerds doesn't air on wednesdays, Lopeppeppy |
| 14:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, but this was a BBC show, Sherlock Holmes! I don't watch the dancing show, even to see Shirik there! :) |
| 14:45.08 | airtonix | RunningWithGeeks |
| 14:45.43 | durcyn | oh, the one with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman? Which are you accusing him of resembling? |
| 14:46.18 | airtonix | who read the comics The Walking Dead ? |
| 14:47.18 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmD5b85x_rw&feature=related |
| 14:47.38 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: so did i |
| 14:47.50 | Kraps | well gratz |
| 14:48.04 | Thunder_Child | gratz for being a sucker? |
| 14:48.07 | airtonix | lol |
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| 14:48.59 | Kraps | :( |
| 14:49.55 | airtonix | :) |
| 14:50.02 | airtonix | \o\ |
| 14:50.03 | angayelle | Gyffes, from what i see, you're watching UI_INFO_MESSAGE events and parsing it to extract information about your quest |
| 14:50.07 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.33 | Computerpunk | lol man, I was really tired 1 min ago. I just felt the smell of fresh coffee and instantly woke up. |
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| 14:50.40 | Computerpunk | That's it, I'm never quitting coffee again. |
| 14:50.58 | Computerpunk | Said I wouldn't be drinking any more coffee one week ago. Been tired 24/7. |
| 14:51.02 | airtonix | you should get the intravenous version |
| 14:51.12 | Gyffes | yes |
| 14:51.23 | angayelle | first, do you realize that if your code ever worked you'll be managing only one quest at a time ? and taking a new one would overwrite the previous one ? |
| 14:51.30 | Computerpunk | airtonix, there already isn't enough blood in my coffee level. |
| 14:51.32 | Kraps | why the hell would you quit coffee? thats insanity |
| 14:51.54 | Computerpunk | I realised it myself. |
| 14:51.54 | airtonix | doc i feel woozy |
| 14:51.58 | angayelle | code error are one thing but there is a major problem with the concept of your addon |
| 14:52.12 | airtonix | "Let me check your blood coffee levels" |
| 14:52.27 | airtonix | 'Yurp', that theres your problem' |
| 14:52.49 | Thunder_Child | coffee is fail |
| 14:52.57 | Thunder_Child | just another drug |
| 14:52.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.10 | airtonix | yes yes thunder |
| 14:53.17 | airtonix | we know you use cocaine instead |
| 14:53.27 | Thunder_Child | please, i'm a purist |
| 14:53.34 | airtonix | ok oxygen |
| 14:53.45 | krka | just stop drinking coffee for a month or so and you'll be off it |
| 14:53.49 | airtonix | that shit will get you high |
| 14:53.59 | Jamash | also you might go blind |
| 14:54.07 | krka | coffee doesn't really get your less tired, it just makes you tired when _not_ drinking coffee |
| 14:54.33 | Gyffes | off course but the add on works fine, only since the patch last wednesday the textoutput doesn't works anymore |
| 14:54.51 | krka | i really like the taste of coffee, but i can't drink it without getting my head all messed up |
| 14:55.02 | airtonix | man this walking dead is pretty good |
| 14:55.24 | angayelle | THAT'S the precise question we wanted in the first place ! |
| 14:55.32 | Fisker | i lol'd Thunder_Child |
| 14:55.46 | angayelle | "why does my text output doesn't work anymore" |
| 14:55.56 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: as expected |
| 14:56.09 | Computerpunk | angayelle, ADDON BUG!!??!?!?!?! FIXIT! |
| 14:56.11 | Computerpunk | owait |
| 14:56.16 | Computerpunk | futurama |
| 14:56.16 | angayelle | meanwhile have a look there http://www.wowpedia.org/Api#Quest_Functions you might find some very useful info |
| 14:56.30 | airtonix | who are you anyway |
| 14:56.39 | Gyffes | i'msorry my english is not so good and now i have a little bit help from my friend |
| 14:56.41 | Computerpunk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYc05gZFly0 |
| 14:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik = Sherlock, naturally! |
| 14:57.24 | Fisker | i found out what that shakeweight is for |
| 14:58.01 | durcyn | every ten year old on the planet would like their joke back, Fisker |
| 14:58.40 | airtonix | fisker, did it feel good? |
| 14:58.53 | Computerpunk | efin' magnets |
| 14:59.00 | angayelle | you can try to replace all your "DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage" by "ChatFrame1:AddMessage" and btw do the same with "UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage" because outputting to UIErrors frame is not a good idea i think |
| 14:59.04 | airtonix | sorry you missed last week |
| 14:59.24 | durcyn | angayelle: print() |
| 14:59.30 | Ackis | Fisker: PM's! |
| 14:59.32 | angayelle | or print |
| 14:59.43 | Gyffes | thanks much angayelle i'll work on it |
| 15:00.28 | Fisker | what do you mean durcyn ? |
| 15:00.28 | angayelle | i might the least experienced people here, just before you, so don't get mad at me if this doesn't work, k ? |
| 15:00.41 | angayelle | might be$ |
| 15:00.42 | durcyn | yes Fisker |
| 15:00.45 | durcyn | exactly |
| 15:00.48 | angayelle | might be* |
| 15:01.37 | Fisker | no u durcyn |
| 15:01.58 | Gyffes | i thanks for all little help i can get and now i go out to buy some food |
| 15:02.53 | Computerpunk | http://images4.fanpop.com/image/forum/64000/64640_1282449664148_full.jpg sfw |
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| 15:04.05 | angayelle | go fetch me some bulma pics now |
| 15:04.55 | Ackis | sighs. |
| 15:05.18 | Kraps | y so sigh Ackis |
| 15:05.30 | Ackis | being being dicks |
| 15:05.45 | Ackis | the dns stuff with curse is frustrating me right now |
| 15:06.14 | airtonix | sprinkles anti-frustration powder on ackis |
| 15:06.28 | Kraps | no homo |
| 15:06.33 | airtonix | if you want more it'll cost you |
| 15:10.34 | olafski | so.. why is the cooldown on howling blast gone? did they lower the damage? |
| 15:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Ackis |
| 15:14.12 | purl | There, there, Ackis. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:16.15 | Humbedooh | we still wub you, Ackis |
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| 15:17.13 | Ackis | growls. |
| 15:17.24 | Cide | nou |
| 15:18.05 | Ackis | http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-6918-LEGO-Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-Arrrr-nnounced.html best news of the day |
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| 15:18.26 | unfo- | i wonder why it isn't pirates of the cARRRRRRRibbean |
| 15:19.00 | harl | wuff |
| 15:19.41 | Kraps | http://wimp.com/supercute/ |
| 15:21.24 | airtonix | should be walking dead lego |
| 15:21.44 | airtonix | "Re-enact your most feared end of days scenario!" |
| 15:21.57 | airtonix | Fun for the kids! |
| 15:22.01 | Jamash | lego4dead |
| 15:22.12 | airtonix | yeahdawg |
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| 15:34.07 | Computerpunk | <Computerpunk> should I use http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/crt/ if I use WoWStead? |
| 15:34.34 | Ackis | it's in beta now I think |
| 15:35.05 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 15:35.18 | Kraps | a level 60 non-QQ post http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1020822472 |
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| 15:42.08 | Maldivia | kraps, cute |
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| 15:49.06 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1020804030 |
| 15:49.11 | Ackis | that made me lul |
| 15:50.31 | Kraps | lots of butthurt in there |
| 15:50.55 | krka | haha |
| 15:52.30 | Cide | now youtube removed the likes/dislikes bar altogether |
| 15:52.32 | Cide | weird shit |
| 15:53.11 | olafski | ackis: cool :D |
| 15:53.31 | Kraps | Cide: its in the description now |
| 15:53.37 | Cide | I know |
| 15:54.53 | Kraps | like i said: lol at youtube moving buttons around every other week |
| 15:56.14 | cog|work | i don't care what they do to their ui i just want them to stop fail-throttling bandwidth |
| 15:56.39 | cog|work | it'll fill up the buffer for me at pretty much full speed, then start crawling so slow it ends up catching up and pausing |
| 15:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Never sure whether to blame that on them, or TWC throttling... |
| 15:57.35 | cog|work | it's definitely their end |
| 15:57.42 | Lulia | Hey guys |
| 15:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | They suck. |
| 15:58.03 | cog|work | hai |
| 16:00.03 | angayelle | hai you |
| 16:04.13 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 16:04.23 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/CYN1Y.png |
| 16:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | Um, sure? |
| 16:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | Gimmick is weird? |
| 16:05.21 | Fisker | it's a shakeweight :( |
| 16:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, it's a gimmick thing that's weird. |
| 16:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | Pick up a struggling cat or a screaming toddler for the same effect. :) |
| 16:06.28 | Ackis | my youngest niece started playing hockey |
| 16:06.46 | Ackis | https://s-hphotos-snc4.fbcdn.net/hs1195.snc4/154778_1526893619949_1462945286_31454822_8231793_n.jpg hahaha |
| 16:06.49 | Ackis | pink socks |
| 16:07.00 | Ackis | (not that you can see) |
| 16:07.46 | Fisker | i once killed a dude Ackis |
| 16:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | with a shake weight? |
| 16:08.35 | Ackis | Fisker: next time you kill someone, kill me please |
| 16:08.42 | Fisker | yes Ackis |
| 16:08.49 | Fisker | i'm not gay Lopeppeppy :( |
| 16:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry that realization makes you sad, Fisker. *hug* |
| 16:10.25 | Lulia | Your niece doesn't look happy |
| 16:10.42 | Ackis | she was grumpy there for some reason |
| 16:10.56 | Fisker | some people aspire to be the best in any field Lopeppeppy |
| 16:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. You'll get there, Fisker. I promise. |
| 16:12.48 | Fisker | but i don't wanna :( |
| 16:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | you are a study in contradictions, Fisker-dear. |
| 16:13.27 | Lulia | :P |
| 16:13.47 | Fisker | well i only want to be gay if i'm the best gay Lopeppeppy |
| 16:13.49 | Fisker | or something |
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| 16:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | Well, there's only one Lopeppeppy, so you can't be best-me anything, Fisker. I understand your choice. |
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| 16:20.56 | Predicate | Is there any way to make wine act more like Windows in terms of performance? |
| 16:21.26 | Predicate | I have some computationally expensive addon code that runs about twice as fast in wine, which makes it hard for me to optimize what "most people" are experiencing. |
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| 16:23.35 | Maldivia | install windows then :) |
| 16:23.47 | Predicate | I was afraid of that answer. :P |
| 16:23.59 | angayelle | you practically asked for it |
| 16:24.40 | Cide | wait |
| 16:24.40 | Predicate | I was hoping there was some magic do_things_slower switch I could set! |
| 16:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | ... there is. Windows ME. |
| 16:24.51 | Cide | why are you optimizing anyway? |
| 16:25.10 | Predicate | Cide: Because depending on where I run this code, it takes over a second to complete. |
| 16:25.32 | Jamash | what's it do? |
| 16:25.41 | Predicate | A whole lot of frame operations. |
| 16:25.55 | Cide | sounds unnecessary |
| 16:26.54 | Predicate | I'm sure it does. Regardless, it seems to prefer Linux's memory handling, and I think the bottlenecks are in different parts of the code when run in Windows. I suppose I'll just have to test there myself. |
| 16:27.20 | angayelle | i wonder what kind of frame operations would take so long |
| 16:27.47 | Predicate | Well, :SetParent() and :SetScript() seem to be pretty expensive ones, from what I've been able to test so far. |
| 16:27.48 | Cide | I wonder what kind of operations would occur much slower on windows |
| 16:28.02 | Cide | it seems extremely suspicious |
| 16:28.34 | nevcairiel | its the first time i hear about wow in wine being faster at anything :D |
| 16:28.39 | Predicate | I don't think it's the operations themselves that are the issue. I'm working with over 5k frames, and I think the memory handling is just that different. |
| 16:28.59 | Cide | wait |
| 16:29.12 | Cide | why would you need 5k frames for *anything* |
| 16:29.15 | Predicate | I don't. |
| 16:29.20 | Cide | uh huh |
| 16:29.22 | Cide | so remove them |
| 16:29.25 | Predicate | That's what I'm doing. :) |
| 16:29.35 | Cide | I am so lost dude |
| 16:29.48 | Predicate | The frames are created by the default UI. I'm getting rid of them. |
| 16:29.58 | Cide | what frames? |
| 16:30.02 | Predicate | All of them. |
| 16:30.08 | Predicate | Well, except WorldFrame. |
| 16:30.09 | Cide | why are you removing the default ui |
| 16:30.20 | Predicate | Because I want to? |
| 16:30.25 | Jamash | you know that frames aren't garbage collected, right? |
| 16:30.28 | Cide | ^ |
| 16:30.32 | Predicate | I'm well aware. |
| 16:30.34 | Cide | just UIParent:Hide() and you're done |
| 16:30.39 | Predicate | However, the Lua code is. |
| 16:30.52 | Predicate | I'm able to GC about half of the default UI's memory usage. |
| 16:30.52 | Jamash | ... |
| 16:30.53 | Cide | the tables? yeah |
| 16:31.01 | Jamash | so? |
| 16:31.06 | Predicate | The global functions and script handlers, Cide. |
| 16:31.12 | Cide | lololol |
| 16:31.15 | Cide | this is hilarious |
| 16:31.33 | Jamash | Did you know you can save a lot of money on food by not eating ever? |
| 16:31.59 | Predicate | I'm not going to try and convince you guys that my code is useful. |
| 16:32.28 | Jamash | anyway, do like 100 frames per onupdate or something |
| 16:32.32 | Jamash | instead of 5000 at ones |
| 16:32.34 | Jamash | once |
| 16:32.56 | Predicate | That doesn't work so well. A lot of them depend on each other in various ways. |
| 16:33.11 | Jamash | and? |
| 16:33.18 | Predicate | And...errors are thrown. |
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| 16:33.22 | Kraps | Jamash: i just saved a bunch of money by switching to gieco |
| 16:33.24 | Predicate | I'm trying to do this neatly. :) |
| 16:33.33 | airtonix | kek |
| 16:33.53 | Jamash | so you're doing something wholly pointless and stupid, but you want to do it in an optimal manner |
| 16:33.57 | airtonix | "Hi i deleted my home folder and now openoffice won't load properly...but i managed to save alot of diskspace" |
| 16:34.13 | Jamash | wait |
| 16:34.15 | Jamash | I have it |
| 16:34.18 | Predicate | I'm doing something I want to do, and I want to do it efficiently. |
| 16:34.19 | Jamash | wipe(_G) |
| 16:34.23 | Lulia | I'm becoming sick :( |
| 16:34.35 | Jamash | Lulia: that sucks |
| 16:34.41 | Predicate | That doesn't work, Jamash. Script handlers still call those functions and throw errors when they don't exist. |
| 16:35.18 | Jamash | go into the MPQ and delete framexml |
| 16:35.29 | Predicate | That's not very practical for other users. |
| 16:35.36 | Jamash | ask a stupid question |
| 16:35.46 | Predicate | My "stupid question" was about wine performance. |
| 16:36.44 | Jamash | you wanted to know how to make wow run slower so you could test something you don't need to do |
| 16:37.16 | airtonix | you could try renicing the wow process |
| 16:37.26 | Predicate | I wanted to know how to make wine perform more like Windows so I could optimize my addon for Windows users while developing under Linux. I thought that perhaps someone in this channel had run into a similar problem before. |
| 16:37.31 | airtonix | not sure that would be the same thing though |
| 16:37.48 | Jamash | you could see if you could find a custom kernel with an intentionally broken scheduler |
| 16:37.50 | nevcairiel | renicing doesnt make it run slower |
| 16:37.59 | nevcairiel | only if there is other stuff the pc is doing |
| 16:38.03 | airtonix | or you could add the registry entry that limits the gpu memoery wine uses |
| 16:38.14 | Jamash | or you could get a 486 |
| 16:38.38 | Predicate | Artificially introducing bottlenecks will just introduce bottlenecks, though. I'm trying to find where they already exist on Windows. |
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| 16:39.00 | airtonix | then forensically speaking |
| 16:39.04 | nevcairiel | did you actually compare to windows on the same system? |
| 16:39.13 | Predicate | Yes, nevcairiel. I was dual-booting. |
| 16:39.30 | nevcairiel | then go develop on windows? :P |
| 16:39.37 | airtonix | might be easier to run wow in a VM |
| 16:39.43 | Predicate | That is what I am planning to do, at this point. |
| 16:39.50 | airtonix | easier in terms of switching hardware types |
| 16:40.28 | airtonix | but if you don't get 3d acceleration working in the vm then thats forensically useless to you |
| 16:40.45 | Predicate | I may just install Windows on an older machine so I can kill two birds with one stone, optimizing on both a slower OS and slower hardware. |
| 16:41.25 | airtonix | have you tried using timing debug logs yet ? |
| 16:41.27 | nevcairiel | I would still claim something funny was going on that made it go slower, or faster for that matter. WoW is always slower on wine |
| 16:42.14 | Predicate | airtonix: I've been unable to isolate it any further than the frame operations. |
| 16:42.28 | airtonix | so you have been taking timings ? |
| 16:42.33 | Predicate | Yes. |
| 16:42.49 | Predicate | On my (high-end) machine, dealing with all the frames takes about 300ms |
| 16:43.02 | Predicate | Under Windows I found that to be about 600ms. |
| 16:43.08 | nevcairiel | so reduce it to 100ms, then it will be faster elsewhere as well :p |
| 16:43.17 | Predicate | nevcairiel: I'm working on that, of course. :) |
| 16:43.21 | nevcairiel | dont have to have absolute numbers to reduce them relatively |
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| 16:44.40 | Predicate | However, I can't be sure that the "fast" operations on Linux, which don't seem to need optimizations, are actually fast when run in Windows. |
| 16:45.32 | Predicate | For example, I use :HasScript() to check whether a given frame needs to have a given handler nil'ed out. It's possible that storing a list of frame types and their handlers would improve performance on Windows, though it hasn't changed anything in wine. |
| 16:46.32 | nevcairiel | you should get a mac as well, just to keep you busy :P |
| 16:46.40 | Predicate | Would that I could. |
| 16:47.21 | Jamash | out of curiosity, after blowing away the blizzard frames, does your fps change at all? |
| 16:48.09 | Predicate | Er...not that I've noticed, but my FPS is too high to see changes like that anyway. |
| 16:49.17 | nevcairiel | only very busy addons can even have any impact on your fps, like dmg meters and whatnot, doubt it do anything |
| 16:50.15 | Predicate | I suppose I should turn on CPU profiling and see what the difference is with/without the Blizz UI, but the load time with CPU profiling would likely be unbearable. :) |
| 16:50.58 | nevcairiel | the default cpu profiling is broken anyway, it inflates the measured numbers by alot, that the actual gain would probably be hidden somewhere |
| 16:51.24 | Shadowed | CPU profiling is a broken concept for addons anyway in 99% of cases :P |
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| 16:51.24 | Predicate | Ah, that's unhelpful. |
| 16:51.49 | nevcairiel | if some addon needs profiling because its too slow, you're doing it wrong(tm) :) |
| 16:51.52 | angayelle | gah my Suf was fine on my pc and is completely borked on my mac with the ui scale |
| 16:52.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth_ (kalroth@d40aa277.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 16:52.32 | Predicate | nevcairiel: Yes, but I'd say that about the default UI, so... |
| 16:52.50 | nevcairiel | the default ui isnt slow |
| 16:53.17 | nevcairiel | its not as fast as it could be, but the code is written for maintainability and readability, not for efficiency |
| 16:54.05 | Predicate | Sure. Different goals and all that. |
| 16:54.19 | Predicate | It does have some trouble spots, performance wise, though. |
| 16:54.46 | nevcairiel | only one i know is that problem with tracking achievements with alot of objectives |
| 16:55.05 | nevcairiel | you'll notice a real slow down with that |
| 16:55.19 | nevcairiel | but its more a bug then caused by the design |
| 16:55.38 | Predicate | Yeah, I heard about that. |
| 16:56.19 | Predicate | Anyway, I'm not saying the default UI is bad at what it does. It serves its purposes just fine. I'm just interested in what I can do instead. :) |
| 16:57.25 | Predicate | I will say that I never realized before just how many addons rely on Blizzard frame templates, though... This will be quite a project. :P |
| 16:57.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 16:58.08 | angayelle | you wanna redo the whole ui then ? |
| 16:58.29 | Predicate | Ah, more or less. Right now I'm just trying to get a proof of concept working. |
| 16:59.04 | Predicate | Something usable I can actually play with. Of course, I've had to do some special handling for secure templates, which is unpleasant. |
| 16:59.12 | nevcairiel | most addons try to reuse blizzard functionalty, also note that you will not be able to reproduce some parts of the UI, addons just hook and modify those |
| 16:59.28 | dardack_home | angayelle did you set your UIScale to the same on mac as on PC? |
| 16:59.33 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:59.41 | Predicate | I'm aware, nevcairiel. I've been in the addon business since 2.0 :) |
| 16:59.52 | nevcairiel | pf. you new guys |
| 16:59.53 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:59.55 | dardack_home | there's a business? |
| 17:00.09 | angayelle | aye i did set the ui scale the same, found a way to get Suf back to normal, just had to touch the sliders for every unit |
| 17:00.17 | dardack_home | i had one addon like 1.3, but didn't really start to write my own and do stuff till like 3 |
| 17:00.37 | angayelle | and everything poped back into place |
| 17:00.42 | dardack_home | angayelle, hmmm i just copy over my config.wtf and my savedvariables from mac/linux and seem to be ok |
| 17:00.47 | dardack_home | well that's good thenn |
| 17:00.54 | Predicate | Yeah, I tweaked existing addons back in classic when everything was possible. |
| 17:01.00 | angayelle | thanks for the advice anyway |
| 17:01.14 | nevcairiel | angayelle: you need to reload ui after changing ui scale, or SUF wont pick it up properly |
| 17:01.15 | Predicate | But I never really started developing until things went to hell in 2.0 |
| 17:01.23 | angayelle | ah ok |
| 17:01.28 | dardack_home | so rifts bugged in IF or is it just my server? |
| 17:01.34 | dardack_home | oh yea i forgot that part ang |
| 17:01.47 | Predicate | They've been broken in IF everywhere, from what I've heard. |
| 17:01.53 | nevcairiel | Shadowed wrote dumb positioning code |
| 17:01.54 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:01.57 | angayelle | borken how so ? |
| 17:02.19 | angayelle | it's some kind of signature from him no ? just kidding |
| 17:02.23 | Shadowed | nevcairiel you shouldn't need to reload for UI scale detection |
| 17:02.28 | Predicate | They're now just skipping ahead to the free loot, IIRC. |
| 17:02.33 | Shadowed | oh I guess I never hooked any of the CVar stuff |
| 17:02.37 | Shadowed | or events |
| 17:02.42 | dardack_home | yea there are no rifts in IF anymore |
| 17:02.46 | dardack_home | just save citizens you win |
| 17:02.50 | Shadowed | And I may have written dumb positioning code, but it still does something nobody else did :P |
| 17:03.02 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWitch (~MoonWitch@d54C5456C.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:03.23 | nevcairiel | i dunno, but when your anchors are set properly, uiscale doesnt matter |
| 17:03.47 | nevcairiel | stuff obviously gets bigger, but should not change position |
| 17:04.11 | mikma | shadowed: nobody else did it... cause it was dumb! |
| 17:04.31 | *** kick/#wowuidev [mikma!~Shadowed@li157-188.members.linode.com] by Shadowed (mikma) |
| 17:04.35 | Shadowed | if Cairenn|afk asks, he fell out |
| 17:04.38 | *** join/#wowuidev mikma (mikma@reaktio.net) |
| 17:04.41 | mikma | abused |
| 17:04.50 | mikma | cairenn|afk: i report shadowed, he abused me |
| 17:04.52 | Shadowed | nope, we have a quota |
| 17:04.55 | Shadowed | one mikma kick a year |
| 17:05.06 | mikma | next one can happen at january |
| 17:05.10 | Shadowed | yup |
| 17:05.45 | nevcairiel | whats the fisker quota? |
| 17:05.59 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 17:06.53 | mikma | nevcairiel: take 8 and tip it on it's side |
| 17:07.21 | Shadowed | nevcairiel, quota implies there's a limit |
| 17:08.55 | airtonix | i thought it meant "at least" |
| 17:09.38 | Shadowed | no quotas mean at most |
| 17:09.48 | Shadowed | wells, depends how you use it |
| 17:09.54 | Lopeppeppy | It can mean "at least" too. :) |
| 17:10.01 | Shadowed | Hey I corrected myself :P |
| 17:10.28 | nicoli_s | hey, anyone mind checking if this page loads for them: http://beta.codblackopsnews.com/character-builds/create we setup the dns a little while ago, was wondetring if it propogated yet or not |
| 17:10.42 | Shadowed | yes nicoli_s |
| 17:10.48 | nicoli_s | sweet |
| 17:10.57 | Shadowed | Also it's kind of hard to see black weapons on black background :P |
| 17:11.07 | nicoli_s | yeah those are just placeholders |
| 17:11.17 | airtonix | OMG |
| 17:11.20 | nicoli_s | we still ahve our content guy filling in images for it |
| 17:11.29 | airtonix | the cat just died when i went to that link |
| 17:11.34 | airtonix | i blame you |
| 17:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | I have a black and white page thingie, looks like a page nicoli_s. |
| 17:11.50 | nicoli_s | ok good, looks like nearly everyone has it then |
| 17:12.13 | nicoli_s | this is our first test of a site that has been converted from word press, that was fun |
| 17:12.22 | nicoli_s | actually its a conversion from wordpress + my_bb |
| 17:14.18 | Shadowed | Kaelten must be sad |
| 17:14.24 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 17:14.39 | Shadowed | converting wordpress + my_bb site |
| 17:14.52 | Kaelten | cool :D |
| 17:15.02 | nicoli_s | just means less work for him :P |
| 17:15.10 | Shadowed | oh you didn't sucker him into doing it? |
| 17:15.22 | Kaelten | trust me man I've got more than enough on my plate as it is ;) |
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| 17:15.33 | Shadowed | hah |
| 17:15.55 | nicoli_s | yeah, kaelten has to spend 6 whole hours a day twiddling his thumbs, cnay ou believe how sore that would make them? |
| 17:16.16 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: fine you make wowpedia and minecraftwiki scale :D |
| 17:16.22 | nicoli_s | and now because of this, its up to 8 |
| 17:16.25 | nicoli_s | hehe |
| 17:16.30 | Shadowed | wowpedia scale? |
| 17:16.34 | nicoli_s | im glad to not be dealing with that stuff |
| 17:16.44 | Shadowed | sounds like trying to push a boulder up a hill |
| 17:16.47 | batrick | Kaelten: use mongodb it's webscale |
| 17:16.53 | nicoli_s | it could be worse, you could be maintaining perl sites |
| 17:17.08 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: I'm using perl scripts does that count? |
| 17:17.09 | Shadowed | does mediawiki even support mongodb? |
| 17:17.59 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs (for those who don't know) |
| 17:18.07 | Kaelten | it barely supports mysq . . . |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker | rage Kaelten |
| 17:18.19 | Shadowed | haha |
| 17:18.25 | Shadowed | Scaling MySQL |
| 17:18.27 | Shadowed | GOD SPEED |
| 17:18.37 | Kaelten | Percona has help'd a lot in that regards |
| 17:18.59 | dardack_home | sigh how can i get my ISP DNS to clear curse for me |
| 17:19.03 | Fisker | it's so cold here Kaelten |
| 17:19.05 | Fisker | why do you hate me? |
| 17:19.23 | Kaelten | I don't, and you know that, :P |
| 17:20.08 | alestane | *sigh* Hilarious but sad: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/11/dogs-dont-understand-basic-concepts.html |
| 17:20.20 | Lulia | fml. I can't even get a min. wage retail job because I don't have "enough experience". Such utter bs. |
| 17:20.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 17:21.47 | Kaelten | dardack_home: use either a hosts entry set to 68.64.47.204 or try setting your name servers to bypass your isps dns servers |
| 17:22.00 | Kaelten | the latter is potentially a better overall solution |
| 17:22.23 | dardack_home | rather not bypass my isp dns servers, just want em flushed i guess |
| 17:22.51 | Kaelten | yeah no way to control when they'll get the update |
| 17:23.39 | Kaelten | dardack_home: may watn to check out http://www.opendns.com/ it's a pretty awesome service |
| 17:23.43 | Kaelten | and I've heard a lot of good things |
| 17:23.49 | Fisker | you do Kaelten |
| 17:23.56 | Fisker | you still haven't fixed that bug i told you about :( |
| 17:23.57 | dardack_home | yea so have I, but still |
| 17:24.00 | Fisker | and you didn't like my idea |
| 17:24.10 | Kaelten | Fisker: I don't recall which bug :) |
| 17:24.22 | Fisker | because you hate me |
| 17:24.32 | alestane | Lulia, I couldn't get a retail job this holiday season and I HAVE 5 years retail experience. It's not just you, don't worry. |
| 17:25.07 | Fisker | "[EU]so now we`re on these new forums.....banned people?" doesn't link to anything in google reader |
| 17:25.42 | Lunessa | Kaelten: I use them for DNS at home. Much <3 for them. |
| 17:25.51 | Lulia | alestane: I think it was their bs psychological assessment which had no real psychological value :-/ At least, that's what someone else who worked in their HR is saying their phrase translates into. |
| 17:25.56 | Nobgul | Lulia, Could be worse my father was told a company wouldn't hire him because he had to much experience >_< |
| 17:26.06 | Lulia | Either way, I've got past due bills and not finding a job is becoming an increasingly more intense problem |
| 17:26.11 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 17:26.31 | alestane | Yeah, Borders ran me through about 150 questions about whether I was a team player, harder worker, ethical and focused on the customer. |
| 17:26.57 | Lulia | Psychological assessments are great and all, but most companies don't know how to use them. |
| 17:27.04 | nevcairiel | Nobgul: thats pretty common, over-qualified, they are afraid you'll ask for way more money soon |
| 17:27.11 | dardack_home | ok now curse doesn't look right |
| 17:27.31 | Fisker | i feel like a bad person Ackis |
| 17:27.42 | Fisker | kinecktimals = kinect my balls :( |
| 17:27.54 | dardack_home | and curse client doesn't identify any of the addons, it puts all inn the unidentifed tab |
| 17:28.11 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar_work (~sylvanaar@tut.qvssoftware.com) |
| 17:28.52 | Ackis | Fisker: it's ok, you're a good person at heart |
| 17:29.19 | Nobgul | nevcairiel, Yea. Just rough out there. Kinda why I do as much here at work as I do. Not many jobs give you practicly enverything you need to survive. Free housing, free car, free cell phone, and still get paid decently. |
| 17:29.35 | airtonix | Fisker, zombie apocalypse. GO! |
| 17:29.57 | airtonix | too late you've been bitten |
| 17:30.10 | airtonix | and i just had to waste you |
| 17:30.18 | nevcairiel | jobs give you free housing and free cars? |
| 17:30.26 | Nobgul | Mine does yea. |
| 17:30.35 | airtonix | won't sae you from the zombies |
| 17:30.41 | nevcairiel | company cars are not free, at least not in my country |
| 17:30.47 | nevcairiel | its just a cheap rent :p |
| 17:31.11 | Nobgul | Naw this isn't a company car he bought the minivan, and put the title in my name they pay for the insurance. |
| 17:31.50 | Predicate | Nobgul: Where do you work, and who do we have to kill to get jobs there? |
| 17:32.22 | Nobgul | Predicate: Work at a hotel. Prob just kill the manager at any non chain hotel. |
| 17:32.32 | Nobgul | Except mine of course |
| 17:32.45 | Predicate | Hmm...that can be arranged... |
| 17:33.17 | airtonix | hotels = lots of zombies |
| 17:33.20 | MoonWitch | got a sales call just now "We're a partner of -clothing store- we notice you buy large sizes, so we know you like food. Would you be interesting in buying food with us?" |
| 17:33.33 | MoonWitch | ^^ very wrong messed up sales pitch. |
| 17:33.36 | Nobgul | MoonWitch >_< |
| 17:33.43 | Predicate | Wow. That's awful. |
| 17:33.45 | Lulia | ... |
| 17:33.48 | Ackis | for real MoonWitch? |
| 17:33.57 | MoonWitch | yep |
| 17:34.04 | MoonWitch | Bofrost, they sell frozen foods |
| 17:34.06 | airtonix | ahh thats cute |
| 17:34.25 | Lunessa | ... that marketing could use some work. |
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| 17:34.31 | MoonWitch | a little yeah |
| 17:35.05 | MoonWitch | either way, I did find it amusing, I was insulted too but amused at the same time. I kinda realize that that particular saletalk won't win em clients. |
| 17:35.48 | syrae | heh |
| 17:36.59 | Fisker | Kaelten hates me though Ackis |
| 17:38.26 | Ackis | no he doesn't :P |
| 17:38.33 | airtonix | the zombies do |
| 17:39.03 | Fisker | prove it Ackis |
| 17:39.20 | airtonix | dont have to |
| 17:39.26 | airtonix | just have to look out the door |
| 17:39.30 | angayelle | faster to find someone who love fisker |
| 17:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | tackles Lunessa for fun and profit! |
| 17:40.33 | *** join/#wowuidev dardack_home (~macnean@cpe-72-228-53-108.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 17:41.06 | dardack_home | sigh now it can update the addons and see what are out of date, but still can't download |
| 17:44.42 | Nobgul | dardack: Curse issues still? |
| 17:45.17 | dardack_home | can anyone check http://curseclient.curse.com/3.0.0.10/CurseSetup-3.0.0.10.exe |
| 17:45.23 | dardack_home | yes nobgul |
| 17:45.35 | dardack_home | i've hard reset my cable modem/router |
| 17:45.59 | dardack_home | i can log into curse client |
| 17:46.02 | dardack_home | but not download anything |
| 17:46.21 | Nobgul | dardack I will check it |
| 17:46.36 | Nobgul | do i have to login to useit at all? |
| 17:46.46 | dardack_home | think so |
| 17:46.55 | dardack_home | says download failed everytime i click update an addon |
| 17:46.57 | Nobgul | >_< eh aight ill figure out my curse login info lol |
| 17:47.04 | dardack_home | and i can't get to http://curseclient.curse.com/3.0.0.10/CurseSetup-3.0.0.10.exe |
| 17:47.13 | dardack_home | dns squatter page |
| 17:47.17 | Nobgul | lol nvm my anti virus just ate it as a virus >_< |
| 17:47.29 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy o.o; |
| 17:47.31 | airtonix | zombies MAN ZOMBIES! |
| 17:47.58 | airtonix | OMFG |
| 17:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | Serioiusly, Shirik. If you haven't watched it, you should. Total double take. |
| 17:48.07 | Nobgul | Are you sure that you want to unblock cursesetup lol |
| 17:48.41 | Kraps | whached what peppy? |
| 17:48.48 | Kraps | spelling fail |
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| 17:49.43 | Fisker | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/11/dc9af46354a33e188c42cc0a58706257/340x.jpg <-lol'd |
| 17:50.14 | *** join/#wowuidev wbc_ (55a4a59b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.164.165.155) |
| 17:50.16 | Kraps | lol |
| 17:50.17 | dardack_home | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/default.aspx getting dns error |
| 17:50.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-248-166.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 17:50.31 | Ackis | grumbles |
| 17:50.32 | nevcairiel | flush your dns cache |
| 17:50.37 | nevcairiel | or use a better dns provider |
| 17:50.55 | nevcairiel | some providers have way too long TTLs in their caches |
| 17:51.46 | alestane | Doesn't matter, as far as I can tell; Comcast appears to hijack all DNS requests and direct them to their own servers. |
| 17:51.48 | Nobgul | dardack |
| 17:51.52 | Nobgul | IM getting there lol |
| 17:51.54 | airtonix | lawl |
| 17:52.00 | airtonix | comfail |
| 17:52.18 | Predicate | alestane: ? I've never had that issue, I use Google DNS on Comcast all the time. |
| 17:52.43 | nevcairiel | alestane: s/dns provider/provider/ |
| 17:53.30 | alestane | I set my router up to use it too. I still get a comcast failthrough when I enter a name that doesn't resolve. |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, what is this? |
| 17:53.56 | Predicate | That's strange. I get proper errors when things don't resolve. |
| 17:54.00 | nevcairiel | my ISP started to do that too, but they give you an option to turn it off |
| 17:54.19 | Predicate | I originally switched to Google DNS just because those pages were pissing me off. |
| 17:54.45 | alestane | I can always double-check what my settings are again. |
| 17:55.21 | airtonix | nah |
| 17:55.24 | airtonix | thats too hard |
| 17:55.28 | airtonix | just give up |
| 17:55.31 | airtonix | make a tea |
| 17:55.44 | airtonix | and do some crosswords instead |
| 17:56.28 | dardack_home | anyone use googles dns servers? |
| 17:56.30 | Predicate | If you wait long enough, the problem will solve itself when Comcast rolls out their DNSSEC plan. |
| 17:56.47 | airtonix | dardack, i do. |
| 17:57.07 | airtonix | but i should probably use one closer |
| 17:57.26 | airtonix | at least 300ms to 8.8.8.8 |
| 17:57.28 | dardack_home | you can opt out of TWC's DNS Fail |
| 17:57.46 | *** join/#wowuidev dardack_home (~macnean@cpe-72-228-53-108.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 17:57.50 | dardack_home | not sure about comcast tho |
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| 17:57.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.16 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfb9-ZbqefQ&feature=related THIS IS MACHINIMA |
| 17:58.29 | Predicate | You can opt out of Comcast's, somewhere. And the people who have opted out of it actually get DNSSEC first. |
| 17:58.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I thought you were answering my comments from this morning, about seeing you on television. BBC's new Sherlock series. |
| 17:58.47 | Shirik | I was |
| 17:58.51 | Shirik | but I didn't catch what it was about |
| 17:59.03 | Shirik | it's a series? |
| 17:59.12 | Kraps | shirik was a tv? |
| 17:59.13 | Zasurus | Sherlock homes :-) |
| 17:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | It's a series, they've had the first season. It's a slighly modernized Sherlock Holmes, and you're totally a dead ringer for Sherlock! |
| 17:59.44 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:59.55 | airtonix | WATCH OUT |
| 18:00.06 | airtonix | ITS A FIZKOMBIE! |
| 18:00.43 | alestane | So yeah, my router is set up to use 8.8.8.8. A search for a random domain still ends up on search2.comcast.com. |
| 18:00.46 | olafski | anyone here use titanpanel? :< I updated to the latest version and I can't find the option to show the bar at the bottom anymore :< |
| 18:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | My desktop is a picture of children fighting for their lives in the playground versus zombie children. |
| 18:01.01 | Nobgul | dardack: Its running ill try updating something in a sec |
| 18:01.11 | Nobgul | Yer its working |
| 18:01.14 | Predicate | alestane: Have you checked to make sure your computer is using DHCP? |
| 18:01.17 | Arrowmaster | alestane: comcast hijacking all port 53 traffic? |
| 18:01.32 | alestane | Yes, Predicate. |
| 18:01.49 | Predicate | Huh. I wonder if it's just a regional thing, then. |
| 18:02.08 | alestane | I switched my router over to DD-WRT specifically so I could set up DHCP properly. |
| 18:02.54 | airtonix | BOOMHEADSHOT |
| 18:03.29 | Predicate | I have multiple machines on my LAN set up to use Google DNS, and none of them ever get Comcast failure pages. Comcast must be doing something screwy somewhere. |
| 18:03.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Computerpunk (~Computerp@85.186.122.45) |
| 18:03.45 | Lunessa | alestane: This is why I opted out of DNS services from Comcast. |
| 18:03.48 | syrae | wait... Shirik looks like Benedict Cumberbatch? |
| 18:03.58 | alestane | And where did you do this, Lunessa? |
| 18:04.27 | Lunessa | When they announced the new "feature" they had an opt-out page. |
| 18:04.31 | *** join/#wowuidev HazRPG (~Haz@unaffiliated/hazrpg) |
| 18:04.48 | Predicate | https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/ |
| 18:04.53 | Lunessa | Then I signed up for OpenDNS |
| 18:04.53 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Maybe if I got a haircut and stuff :) |
| 18:04.56 | sylvanaar_work | i switched to 4.2.2.2, it seems faster than google |
| 18:05.11 | airtonix | is it red |
| 18:05.17 | airtonix | not fast if its not red |
| 18:05.17 | Shirik | I thought sherlock holmes was supposed to be like |
| 18:05.22 | Shirik | an outcast |
| 18:05.26 | airtonix | lol? |
| 18:05.27 | Shirik | not groomed hair and stuff |
| 18:05.33 | airtonix | fail |
| 18:05.33 | Predicate | sylvanaar_work: I've used that one in the past, but it seems to blacklist me after a handful of queries now. |
| 18:05.50 | dardack_home | yep my ISP dns servers aren't flushed |
| 18:05.53 | Shirik | basing it off http://www.sshf.com/news.php?id=668 |
| 18:05.55 | Shirik | I guess I should watch it |
| 18:05.59 | airtonix | Shirik, you need to brush up on your Classic English FolkLore |
| 18:06.02 | dardack_home | cause i link to them directly for curse.com and bam squatter page |
| 18:06.05 | syrae | Shirik: it's a good series. |
| 18:06.05 | HazRPG | Hey guys, I'm trying to make an addon that plays music when you encounter battle. That I've got working so far, but now I want it to play a different song when your fighting a boss or something that is a much higher level then you. What would be the API call to do that with? |
| 18:06.06 | Shirik | what |
| 18:06.06 | Shirik | why |
| 18:06.14 | HazRPG | I'm still pretty new to this. I do have experience with C++ however and coding in general. |
| 18:07.14 | olafski | jnwhiteh: is it possible that clique does not take keypad + - and * as valid bindings? (and if so, can this be changed) |
| 18:07.37 | Nobgul | HazRPG: If i understand you correctly you would need to do something similiar to and dont use this code. if target <10 leveles then play x |
| 18:07.44 | dardack_home | OMG Google DNS FTW and save the day |
| 18:07.48 | jnwhiteh | olafski: there's nothing thhat I am aware of that would stop that. |
| 18:07.55 | jnwhiteh | can you bind them in the normal Key Bindings dialog |
| 18:07.59 | jnwhiteh | and what do they say when they are if so |
| 18:08.09 | dardack_home | yea but you need more than that nobgul, because you coudl be targeting a friendly, or not even be in combat with that target |
| 18:08.12 | Nobgul | It is the same api call to play the music you would just need decide which music to play based on the level of the creature |
| 18:08.23 | dardack_home | anyways off to update my addons |
| 18:08.37 | Predicate | olafski: Check your NumLock, perhaps? If you bind those keys with NumLock on, they'll stop working if it gets toggled off, and vice versa. |
| 18:08.37 | dardack_home | so um using google's dns will i notice lag in wow at all? i get perhaps in webpage loading |
| 18:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.sshf.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Sherlock-BBC-3.jpg ! |
| 18:09.00 | Nobgul | dardack: Where in the country are you from |
| 18:09.25 | angayelle | you won't have more lag at all |
| 18:09.34 | olafski | jnwhiteh: my gf presses the button in clique and it does say that it has that button bound.. but it doesn't respond when she actually tries to use it |
| 18:09.47 | Yoshimo | where can i find the list of the red-messages wow uses for "out of range" and similiar things? |
| 18:09.48 | angayelle | maybe a split second when resolving server upon launching but that's all |
| 18:09.51 | HazRPG | Nobgul: yup, that's what I'm going for |
| 18:10.03 | jnwhiteh | alright, can I give you a few quick things to test so I can try to fix it? |
| 18:10.23 | airtonix | read this sign [ a b c ] |
| 18:10.24 | olafski | sure, her raid starts in 20 minutes though =) |
| 18:10.27 | dardack_home | NYS |
| 18:10.30 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.30 | dardack_home | but not the city yo |
| 18:10.32 | airtonix | mmm |
| 18:10.39 | Nobgul | You would have to evaluate the level first then make a call based on the level. something like if level is mroe then 10 then call x if it is more then 20 call c |
| 18:10.40 | jnwhiteh | what key/button is it using there? |
| 18:11.17 | olafski | hang on :) |
| 18:11.19 | dardack_home | hazrpg also test if your in combat, if the target is hostile |
| 18:11.58 | olafski | jnwhiteh: you mean cliquebuttonNUMPADMINUS ? |
| 18:12.06 | dardack_home | did the make everyone witth curse client premium? |
| 18:12.08 | jnwhiteh | yeah that helps |
| 18:12.11 | olafski | btw, don't know if it helps, but we're trying to get the G500's extra buttons to work |
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| 18:12.20 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:12.24 | olafski | so we bound some of them to keystrokes because wow doesn't recognise them in the default setting |
| 18:12.24 | jnwhiteh | olafski: turn numlock on |
| 18:12.25 | jnwhiteh | and try again |
| 18:12.36 | jnwhiteh | perhaps thats not the issue, but worth trying. |
| 18:12.40 | angayelle | !api UnitLevel |
| 18:12.40 | lua_bot | UnitLevel: Returns a unit's level (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitLevel) |
| 18:12.43 | jnwhiteh | tere's no reason I know of why this wouldn't work. |
| 18:12.43 | olafski | jnwhiteh: it says the same |
| 18:12.44 | Nobgul | dardack: I missed what you said and my irc client did a /clear =P |
| 18:12.47 | angayelle | HazRPG |
| 18:12.51 | jnwhiteh | lemme try tho |
| 18:13.10 | angayelle | to check your level and your target lvl |
| 18:13.16 | Dagmar | olafski: I've never tried binding to mouse4 or mouse5, but on my Logitech G5 I've got the two thumb buttons bound to ctl+1 and ctl+3 |
| 18:13.20 | jnwhiteh | olafski: I can bind that key just fine |
| 18:13.28 | olafski | hm |
| 18:13.29 | jnwhiteh | on my keyboard |
| 18:13.37 | dardack_home | i'm from NYS but not the city |
| 18:13.40 | jnwhiteh | so I'm confused |
| 18:13.41 | Dagmar | olafski: You've just gotta use the external Logitech app to configure the mouse |
| 18:13.41 | olafski | and can you then use it to cast a spell? cause it binds properly it seems |
| 18:13.45 | HazRPG | sorry, trying to keep track here ^^ |
| 18:13.47 | jnwhiteh | not saying its not a bug, just not sure how to do it |
| 18:13.49 | jnwhiteh | olafski: yes, both work |
| 18:13.51 | olafski | hrm |
| 18:13.53 | Dagmar | I use it to control my pet |
| 18:13.53 | jnwhiteh | binding and casting |
| 18:13.57 | Dagmar | Easy as thought |
| 18:14.11 | Nobgul | dardack_home: You can try using dns server 64.0.55.201 and 69.164.208.50 |
| 18:14.24 | Dagmar | One button for Hunter's Mark and to send the pet out, the other button to do a quick /petpassive; /petdefensive |
| 18:14.32 | dardack_home | eh google dns is working great, and i seet my router to host a local dns from google |
| 18:15.11 | HazRPG | dardack_home: I agree with you, but however I'm planning on putting it in the "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED()" event, so it would only trigger when you get aggro (if my understanding of that call is correct) |
| 18:15.34 | dardack_home | !api Player_Regen_Disabled |
| 18:15.34 | lua_bot | PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED: Fires when the player enters combat status (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED) |
| 18:15.44 | dardack_home | yea thought so fired on combat |
| 18:15.46 | dardack_home | not agro |
| 18:16.23 | HazRPG | ah, my mistake... it's the call I use currently |
| 18:16.24 | Nobgul | PLAYER_ENTERING_COMABT? |
| 18:16.44 | HazRPG | PLAYER_ENTERING_COMBAT only works on autofire if I recall |
| 18:16.54 | HazRPG | so you have to either right-click, etc |
| 18:17.03 | HazRPG | (I've tried) |
| 18:17.10 | Nobgul | could parse the combat log |
| 18:17.15 | Nobgul | combatlog unfiltered etc |
| 18:17.38 | angayelle | !api UnitThreatSituation |
| 18:17.38 | lua_bot | UnitThreatSituation: Returns the general threat status of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitThreatSituation) |
| 18:17.48 | Nobgul | Ill check one of my addons in a sec to see how I find out if i am in combat. i think i use regen_disabled also |
| 18:18.21 | HazRPG | well currently I have it under PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED and works perfectly for what I need, I just wanted a check to see if the mob was a boss or say 5-10 levels higher then still play the boss theme |
| 18:18.42 | angayelle | !api PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED |
| 18:18.42 | lua_bot | PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED: Fires when the player leaves combat status (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED) |
| 18:19.05 | HazRPG | angayelle: don't worry I use that one too to stop the music ;) |
| 18:19.06 | Nobgul | Yea i use regen as well |
| 18:19.13 | angayelle | just use UnitLevel then |
| 18:19.17 | Nobgul | To check for combat =P |
| 18:19.27 | HazRPG | Nobgul: ^^ |
| 18:19.32 | Nobgul | but there is UNIT_COMBAT |
| 18:19.34 | Nobgul | 0_O |
| 18:19.41 | HazRPG | Which would be better? |
| 18:19.47 | Nobgul | regen nvm. |
| 18:19.50 | HazRPG | UnitLevel or UNIT_COMBAT |
| 18:19.51 | Nobgul | im just being tarded |
| 18:19.55 | Nobgul | UnitLevel |
| 18:20.04 | Predicate | UNIT_COMBAT is for combat text, IIRC. |
| 18:20.08 | HazRPG | is that just a usable variable? |
| 18:20.17 | HazRPG | ah ok |
| 18:20.21 | Nobgul | Naw Unit_combat is something diffrent. |
| 18:20.24 | Predicate | You want to call UnitLevel("target") |
| 18:20.38 | HazRPG | i.e. mob_level = UnitLevel("target"); or something |
| 18:20.39 | Predicate | if that returns -1 it's a "skull" target, i.e. boss or much higher level than you. |
| 18:20.44 | HazRPG | Predicate: beat me to it :P |
| 18:21.10 | HazRPG | Predicate: awesome, that'll do the trick nicely |
| 18:21.17 | HazRPG | means I can have a proper boss theme ^^ |
| 18:21.18 | angayelle | that would require you to have the boss on target |
| 18:21.35 | angayelle | if you start without haveing boss on target, you'll get no music |
| 18:21.44 | Predicate | Yeah, it's not perfect. |
| 18:21.50 | HazRPG | ah |
| 18:21.52 | Kraps | cant use the tram during an invasion :( |
| 18:21.59 | Predicate | There's no real way to find out which mobs you're in combat with in all cases. |
| 18:22.00 | HazRPG | hmm |
| 18:22.20 | angayelle | you can watch combat log event, check for unitname, then compare to your lvl |
| 18:22.20 | Dagmar | Kraps: You can fly in tho |
| 18:22.26 | HazRPG | well usually bosses are elite too correct? |
| 18:22.34 | HazRPG | would elite mobs also generate a -1? |
| 18:22.34 | angayelle | so are trash |
| 18:22.42 | Predicate | Elite mobs will return their level. |
| 18:22.48 | Kraps | Dagmar: no flightmasters |
| 18:22.54 | Predicate | If you want to know whether something is actually elite/boss, you want UnitClassification() |
| 18:22.58 | HazRPG | is there a way to detect elite? |
| 18:23.03 | olafski | jnwhiteh: another thing, is it possible to cast "the correct holy word" depending on which chakra state you're in? before the patch it was possible to just have it cast "Holy Word: Chastise" and it would cast the proper spell :< |
| 18:23.10 | Nobgul | combat log unfiltered is prob the easiest way, and will allow you to get a wider range of music. |
| 18:23.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: Ah... Since IronForge was _kludged_ into working, they recover fast enough to fly to Stormwind |
| 18:23.44 | angayelle | UnitClassification return for elite and worldboss, don't know if it mean raid boss |
| 18:23.44 | Dagmar | You can always hearth to Dalaran and hten port in |
| 18:23.48 | HazRPG | Nobgul: could you link me in the direction of some documentation for that? |
| 18:23.56 | aX0rZ | how many auras can a paladin have at max? |
| 18:24.00 | airtonix | 42 |
| 18:24.08 | Nobgul | sure sec |
| 18:24.12 | angayelle | http://www.wowpedia.org/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 18:24.15 | airtonix | plus 2 for the hands |
| 18:24.19 | Predicate | It's a misleading return value, angayelle. "worldboss" means "boss" |
| 18:24.21 | airtonix | and one for the head |
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| 18:24.28 | airtonix | then theres the one that goes on the butt |
| 18:24.28 | angayelle | it might indeed |
| 18:24.37 | airtonix | so 46 |
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| 18:24.46 | Nobgul | there u go =P |
| 18:24.51 | airtonix | oh don't forget the one on the end of the little tow |
| 18:24.54 | airtonix | toe |
| 18:25.04 | Predicate | And checking for combat log events only works if there is a combat log event...you can be in combat with something and never hit them (or be hit by them). |
| 18:25.36 | Dagmar | Lazy healers |
| 18:25.40 | angayelle | there will event, just don't restrain your filter to you as target/caster/whetever |
| 18:25.45 | airtonix | nou |
| 18:26.07 | Predicate | There isn't an event if, say, you body-pull something and run away from it. |
| 18:26.15 | Nobgul | Predicate: Umm how about if your 30 yards away when a party m ember engages a monster. You still get combat log entries without being in combat. |
| 18:26.19 | alestane | Gah. My old car dealership moved to Somerset, and they got nothing I can afford anymore. |
| 18:26.21 | Dagmar | "noob it up" |
| 18:26.26 | HazRPG | actually UnitClassification might do the trick |
| 18:26.30 | airtonix | EVENT_OH_PLAYER_ALMOST |
| 18:26.36 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 18:26.37 | angayelle | but then it could be a good idea to unregister COMBAT_loG events, to avoid unnecessary work |
| 18:26.43 | Dagmar | alestane: Is hte weather reasonably temperate where you are? |
| 18:26.47 | HazRPG | trivial, is that gray mobs? |
| 18:26.51 | Lunessa | alestane: suck. :( |
| 18:26.51 | angayelle | aye |
| 18:27.02 | alestane | Against what context, Dagmar? |
| 18:27.13 | Dagmar | Wait, Massachusetts... Nope. Nevermind. |
| 18:27.18 | olafski | jnwhiteh: hm I think that last thing I said has nothing to do with clique :P they changed something in the macros to make them work "better" it seems :< |
| 18:27.27 | HazRPG | normal = white obv |
| 18:27.30 | HazRPG | what's rare? |
| 18:27.31 | angayelle | tho as said before you'll need to have a way to select the boss using UnitId |
| 18:27.38 | Dagmar | I was going to say look into buying a scooter if you don't have to take interstates and light rain is all you ever have to worry about |
| 18:27.48 | angayelle | silver elite, like rare spawns |
| 18:28.01 | jnwhiteh | olafski: yeah |
| 18:28.23 | Dagmar | Mine finally paid itself off two months ago |
| 18:28.35 | Dagmar | ...and weather here is crap for about a third of the time |
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| 18:29.50 | HazRPG | angayelle: true... obviously once PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is fired, and you kill the mob but something still has target on you, it doesn't fire again right? |
| 18:30.13 | angayelle | nope it fire only once |
| 18:30.22 | angayelle | at combat start |
| 18:30.28 | HazRPG | yeah |
| 18:30.30 | HazRPG | hmmm |
| 18:30.33 | Dagmar | You'd need to get _out_ of combat for it to fire again |
| 18:30.40 | HazRPG | yeah |
| 18:30.41 | nevcairiel | PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED fires then, when you get out of combat :p |
| 18:30.45 | angayelle | if somehitng have you on target, then you're still in combat |
| 18:31.01 | Dagmar | Well, not so much targeting you but pissed at you |
| 18:31.06 | HazRPG | is there an event for when you click on something else? |
| 18:31.11 | angayelle | right dagmar |
| 18:31.18 | nevcairiel | UNIT_TARGET_CHANGED, i guess |
| 18:31.21 | Predicate | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 18:31.30 | nevcairiel | its PLAYER? oh well |
| 18:31.31 | angayelle | !api UNIT_TARGET |
| 18:31.31 | lua_bot | UNIT_TARGET: Fires when a unit's target changes (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_TARGET) |
| 18:31.35 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:31.38 | Predicate | There's that, too. |
| 18:31.40 | nevcairiel | damn the confusing event names |
| 18:31.51 | HazRPG | lol |
| 18:31.56 | Kraps | no one is fighting the elementals anymore |
| 18:31.59 | Predicate | But if all you care about is the player, PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED works fine. |
| 18:32.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: Then the city will fall |
| 18:32.03 | angayelle | !api PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 18:32.03 | lua_bot | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED: Fires when the player changes targets (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED) |
| 18:32.10 | angayelle | ah yes, forgot this one |
| 18:32.12 | Kraps | oh noes! |
| 18:32.50 | angayelle | in your case i don't see an usefulness for theses events |
| 18:33.19 | angayelle | the music should run from start to end or just when you have aggro ? |
| 18:33.38 | Predicate | It sounds like what you'll end up with is "play a sound when the player targets a boss they are in combat with" |
| 18:33.54 | Predicate | Which is not entirely the same as "play a sound when the player is in combat with a boss", but it's pretty close in most cases. |
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| 18:35.34 | jnwhiteh | Any addons that add Wowhead's stat ratings to item tooltip? |
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| 18:36.12 | HazRPG | hmm, wonder if I can do some fancy check with PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED and PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 18:36.36 | olafski | jnwhiteh: solved the holy word thing with a macro =) if you happen to find something out about the keypad buttons do let me know though :) |
| 18:36.49 | angayelle | use /eventtrace and go fight something |
| 18:36.53 | HazRPG | would PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED also fire up when PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED does? |
| 18:37.13 | HazRPG | ooo, didn't know you could do that ^^ |
| 18:37.47 | angayelle | if you change target yes, but if you were targeting a friend when you leve combat then it both wouldn't fire as you weren't targeting the mob dieing |
| 18:37.54 | jnwhiteh | olafski: okay, it works fo rme toh |
| 18:38.39 | angayelle | theses stats are something you can alter on their website no ? |
| 18:39.49 | olafski | jnwhiteh: we'll try some other buttons, see if it's just the keypad |
| 18:40.14 | HazRPG | angayelle: how'd ya mean? |
| 18:40.37 | HazRPG | angayelle: you mean if the mob dies, and I'm targeting a friendly, then the music won't stop for example? |
| 18:40.50 | HazRPG | surely PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() would still fire |
| 18:41.12 | angayelle | yes, i was responding to your question about "would PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED also fire up when PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED does? |
| 18:41.12 | angayelle | " |
| 18:41.26 | HazRPG | ah |
| 18:42.27 | HazRPG | obviously that'll need to be looked into for bugfixes ^^ |
| 18:44.05 | HazRPG | ooo, with fancy checking I could essentially have it in an event that always fires# |
| 18:44.09 | HazRPG | is there anything like that? |
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| 18:45.11 | Nobgul | What do you mean always fires |
| 18:45.24 | Nobgul | i steped out and am to lazy to read up =P |
| 18:45.26 | HazRPG | like a constantly running loop of some sort |
| 18:45.46 | Lulia | OnUpdate |
| 18:45.49 | Nobgul | Yea |
| 18:46.02 | Lulia | But that's a widget handler as opposed to an event fired by WoW from the event system |
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| 18:46.28 | Lulia | Instead of registering an event you would simply use OnUpdate in SetScript |
| 18:47.13 | HazRPG | hmm, need to give this some thought |
| 18:48.18 | Lulia | What are you looking to do? |
| 18:48.42 | HazRPG | essentially play music when your fighting |
| 18:48.44 | Nobgul | Hes looking to fire music based on mob level. |
| 18:48.52 | HazRPG | but I want different music depending on what your fighting |
| 18:49.00 | HazRPG | and their level |
| 18:49.03 | HazRPG | lol yeah what he said ^^ |
| 18:49.10 | HazRPG | (or she...) |
| 18:49.21 | Nobgul | he =) |
| 18:49.22 | syrae | zir |
| 18:49.46 | HazRPG | I like how you assumed I was a he too ^^ |
| 18:49.55 | HazRPG | (I am btw... but its bad to assume :P) |
| 18:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | zie |
| 18:50.00 | Nobgul | Culd be Zsexual |
| 18:50.02 | Nobgul | err A |
| 18:50.07 | ckknight | no, Z |
| 18:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | or pan |
| 18:50.08 | HazRPG | lol |
| 18:50.09 | syrae | well, it's generally a safe assumption, unfortunately |
| 18:50.17 | HazRPG | true |
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| 18:50.44 | HazRPG | I'm at uni learning advC++ and OOM and other fancy coding skills... and there's a 50/50 ratio of boy/girl |
| 18:50.51 | ckknight | OOM? |
| 18:50.59 | HazRPG | Object Orientated Methods |
| 18:50.59 | Nobgul | object managemt |
| 18:51.02 | syrae | Object Oriented Moonkin |
| 18:51.05 | Nobgul | lol |
| 18:51.07 | HazRPG | ^^ |
| 18:51.14 | ckknight | that's typically called OOP |
| 18:51.18 | ckknight | object-oriented programming |
| 18:51.21 | Nobgul | Im surprised no one said |
| 18:51.24 | Nobgul | Out oF mana |
| 18:51.25 | ckknight | "methods" is a pretty generic term |
| 18:51.31 | ckknight | Nobgul: I was thinking out of mana/memory |
| 18:51.35 | HazRPG | Nobgul: me too :P |
| 18:51.39 | Nobgul | lol |
| 18:52.27 | Nobgul | I want a new addon to play with. Ill be back. Find something to break |
| 18:52.28 | syrae | When I was in uni for Comp Sci, it was about a 20% female group. |
| 18:52.34 | syrae | and that wasn't too long ago |
| 18:52.36 | HazRPG | in OOM we're just learning about the basis of it generally speaking (like templates, etc etc) |
| 18:52.54 | ccox | there are females in compSci classes? When did that happen? |
| 18:52.56 | HazRPG | where as if you said OOP you would actually have to be programming for a language |
| 18:53.12 | HazRPG | OOM is the concepts and usage |
| 18:53.21 | HazRPG | as a whole for all languages |
| 18:53.23 | ccox | computer science: the only department with a worse male:female ratio than smurf village |
| 18:53.38 | HazRPG | ccox: isn't it just :P |
| 18:53.57 | ccox | (oh, and the one: she's not straight) |
| 18:54.03 | Nobgul | lol |
| 18:54.19 | HazRPG | Lulia: anyways, you were asking what I was doing? |
| 18:54.48 | Kraps | fuck yeah liam neeson |
| 18:54.50 | Kraps | http://www.hulu.com/watch/14906/black-holes-the-other-side-of-infinity#s-p1-so-i1 |
| 18:55.15 | Lunessa | syrae: Most science programs/engineering programs are weighted heavily towards the male end of the scale. Enough so that a friend who got her PHD in Optics and did her Electronic Engineering degree was the only woman in many of her classes. |
| 18:55.29 | angayelle | going home, see you later people |
| 18:55.40 | jnwhiteh | Can someone sanity check me. |
| 18:56.00 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/68a41b1e9bec11afe56f7494cf33127d.png |
| 18:56.00 | HazRPG | Lunessa: I can see that |
| 18:56.03 | Lulia | HazRPG: It's just easier to think of an effective solution when you know the whole problem is all. |
| 18:56.08 | HazRPG | in AdvC++ its 50/50 for me, but in OOM its mainly men |
| 18:56.10 | jnwhiteh | the item on the right has more intellect, more spirit, more haste, right? |
| 18:56.28 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: YES. |
| 18:56.31 | Dagmar | HazRPG: That'll change |
| 18:56.38 | Predicate | jnwhiteh: looks sane to me. |
| 18:56.43 | ccox | jnh - you're using the default bag setup and not bagnon, thus not sane, so sanity check failed |
| 18:56.43 | syrae | Lunessa: I know. My classes in college for Comp Sci were generally pretty small. 20-30 people. There was generally 2-3 women in them. I was one of those. Though... most of the time I didn't notice until 1/2 way through the semester than I was the only woman in a class. It's just not something I paid attention to |
| 18:56.46 | jnwhiteh | ten wy do I have more spellpower (66) with the Belt |
| 18:57.00 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea how this is happening.. but it is. |
| 18:57.02 | Dagmar | By the time you hit third year classes the only place you'll find fewer women is Fire Island |
| 18:57.10 | jnwhiteh | do I take some sort of penalty for it being cloth? |
| 18:57.29 | dardack_home | what class are you? |
| 18:57.30 | nevcairiel | yes, you do |
| 18:57.39 | Lunessa | syrae: I promise you that every straight male in those classes noticed though. :P |
| 18:57.40 | nevcairiel | you get a bonus for wearing all leather |
| 18:57.45 | ccox | jnh - yes you can, because of the armor specialization |
| 18:57.46 | dardack_home | what nev said |
| 18:57.47 | Predicate | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=86093 |
| 18:57.52 | HazRPG | Dagmar: I'm in my final year ^^ |
| 18:58.11 | HazRPG | I'm also one of the oldest in there *sigh* |
| 18:58.15 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: You don't get a bonus if you use cloth. Mastery. |
| 18:58.21 | Nobgul | jnwhiteh: Just taking a guess but are you taking the %5 increase in stats for wearing the type of item you should cloth leather etc |
| 18:58.23 | nevcairiel | mastery? |
| 18:58.24 | nevcairiel | what now? |
| 18:58.28 | jnwhiteh | oh, that really happens |
| 18:58.29 | nevcairiel | leather spec is where its at |
| 18:58.30 | HazRPG | but I went off to actually do some programming as a web developer for a year or two before going back to students |
| 18:58.34 | jnwhiteh | makes sense then |
| 18:58.34 | HazRPG | experience n all |
| 18:58.35 | syrae | jnwhiteh: you take a penalty for it being cloth. Yes |
| 18:58.36 | Lunessa | I mean Armor Specilization. /faceplam |
| 18:58.37 | jnwhiteh | so I can't go off the stats anymore. |
| 18:58.39 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 18:58.41 | jnwhiteh | thank you, I missed that. |
| 18:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | [13:58] <nevcairiel> leather spec is where its at >> Oooh, baby. |
| 18:59.05 | jnwhiteh | well DressToKill wins again then =) |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | I'm all about leather, peppy! |
| 18:59.11 | ccox | at low levels you can go off armor type, but at higher levels, you want to avoid it if you can |
| 18:59.14 | Lulia | lol, Peppy |
| 18:59.18 | jnwhiteh | j j |
| 18:59.25 | jnwhiteh | it fucks my ilevel a bit |
| 18:59.29 | jnwhiteh | but worth it I guess |
| 18:59.32 | HazRPG | quick question, I've noticed my "ding" sound doesn't work since v4 |
| 18:59.39 | nevcairiel | 5% int is quite alot, no single item makes up for that |
| 18:59.41 | HazRPG | I originally made this addon about a year ago |
| 18:59.43 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 18:59.44 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 19:00.06 | HazRPG | its in: PLAYER_LEVEL_UP |
| 19:00.19 | HazRPG | and I'm using "PlaySoundFile" |
| 19:00.25 | jnwhiteh | is it leather in EVERY slot |
| 19:00.29 | Nobgul | are u using a wav? |
| 19:00.32 | jnwhiteh | or ONLY leather in the slots that are equipped? |
| 19:00.33 | HazRPG | yeah |
| 19:00.39 | Nobgul | wave is no longer supported |
| 19:00.46 | HazRPG | :o! |
| 19:00.46 | Nobgul | mp3 oog |
| 19:00.48 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: its leater in every slot, have an empty slot, and it takes the bonus away |
| 19:00.54 | jnwhiteh | oh god |
| 19:00.58 | jnwhiteh | then dress to kill won't work anymore |
| 19:01.00 | jnwhiteh | that's very sad! |
| 19:01.05 | jnwhiteh | or maybe I need to run it twice |
| 19:01.06 | jnwhiteh | checks |
| 19:01.09 | nevcairiel | but why would anyone have an empty slot? |
| 19:01.23 | jnwhiteh | its not having an empty slot |
| 19:01.28 | jnwhiteh | its what happens if you have cloth in a slot |
| 19:01.32 | jnwhiteh | things will be skewed on the first run |
| 19:01.36 | syrae | jnwhiteh: look in your General tab in your Spellbook. You get a bonus for wearing leather items instead of cloth. So each armor piece has an extra bonus applied just for being leather. |
| 19:01.51 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: If I understand it correctly, it's leather in all slots (except like trinket, rings, etc.) |
| 19:02.06 | nevcairiel | all slots that can be leather, of course |
| 19:02.07 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:02.16 | Nobgul | yea lol |
| 19:02.17 | alestane | I think it's a flat bonus that you only get if all gear qualifies. |
| 19:02.23 | jnwhiteh | yeah it is. |
| 19:02.25 | nevcairiel | 5% int. |
| 19:02.26 | Dagmar | If you wear so much as a terrycloth wristband, that bonus is GONE |
| 19:02.28 | jnwhiteh | so how do I manage this. |
| 19:02.29 | Nobgul | luled as i was thinking about jnwhiteh: trying to find a leather cloak |
| 19:02.40 | Dagmar | So... no more pervert hunters wearing leather |
| 19:03.01 | syrae | Dagmar: lies.. There'll still be plenty of baby hunters wearing leather |
| 19:03.03 | jnwhiteh | I guess I'll just see how it works out |
| 19:03.06 | Lopeppeppy | Or paladins with cloth because the bonuses are better... although with reforging that won't be as true anymore. |
| 19:03.06 | jnwhiteh | it was detecting properly |
| 19:03.09 | jnwhiteh | tho I'm not sure how =) |
| 19:03.14 | Dagmar | syrae: Like they count heh |
| 19:03.22 | syrae | They do!!! |
| 19:03.29 | Dagmar | I had to throw out not one but TWO belts from ICC |
| 19:03.39 | syrae | They're all cute and adorable and completely new to huntering! |
| 19:03.54 | Dagmar | They're hard to train |
| 19:04.00 | syrae | "What's a jump shot? |
| 19:04.02 | syrae | awwwww |
| 19:04.18 | syrae | it's so cuuuuute |
| 19:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. Like "what's backstab" |
| 19:04.33 | Dagmar | Jump shots aren't that useful, but jeez I see a lot of them running around that never drop any traps |
| 19:04.45 | Lunessa | Hunter's used to be a class that was easy to get big numbers with, resulting in few people trying to learn the intricacies. |
| 19:04.55 | syrae | jump shots aren't nearly as useful any more |
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| 19:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Used to be a core skill. *le sigh* |
| 19:05.37 | syrae | back in the day I LOVED doing CC, kiting, etc. I didn't really care as much about doing BIG DEE PEE ESS, but I really enjoyed being able to toy with mobs... |
| 19:05.41 | Dagmar | Jump shots would probably fall under "intricacies" but now that there's trap launchers, people have no excuses for throwing down an ice trap in multi-target situations |
| 19:05.50 | Dagmar | er not throwing down an ice trap |
| 19:06.12 | Dagmar | If the healer dies before the noob hunter, that noob hunter has failed |
| 19:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I always said, but hey... no one ever gave the paladin an ice trap. :) |
| 19:06.39 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:06.48 | Lulia | Bubble! |
| 19:06.58 | syrae | Hunter "bubble"!! |
| 19:07.10 | syrae | Deflection or whatever the hell it's called. |
| 19:07.18 | HazRPG | Nobgul: thanks btw, just changed my wav to mp3 using audacity ^^ |
| 19:07.44 | HazRPG | can't wait to level now ^^ |
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| 19:09.41 | Lunessa | Might actually have to level my paladin now. |
| 19:10.28 | bleetah | Note to self: Don't log in any bank alts during 'the event'. You'll get one shot and the Spirit Guides are in different phases. |
| 19:11.54 | Shirik | bleetah: Owned |
| 19:13.14 | olafski | hrm had to spend one useless point to make a 1h frost spec :< oh well, I hope it'll beat unholy :P |
| 19:13.18 | olafski | 2h* |
| 19:13.18 | HazRPG | in LUA, is || used for OR's? |
| 19:13.24 | olafski | you use "or" |
| 19:13.25 | alestane | "or". |
| 19:13.31 | HazRPG | ah cool |
| 19:13.39 | alestane | "and", "or" and "not". |
| 19:13.45 | HazRPG | awesome |
| 19:15.24 | Shirik | what is LUA? |
| 19:15.25 | bleetah | Shirik: I wouldn't mind the ownage if I could res at the GY |
| 19:15.39 | Lopeppeppy | LUA is large unorganized animals! |
| 19:15.45 | bleetah | Shirik: It's Portugese for 'VERY LOUD MOON' |
| 19:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | "And then we were all like, WOAH." |
| 19:16.07 | bleetah | which is an expression regarding the level of drunkness |
| 19:16.30 | bleetah | ie, when you're out late and your stonking drunk and yer head's throbbing... when you see the moon in that state it's 'very loud' |
| 19:17.56 | Kraps | there are no Motes of Fire and they're gouging on Khorium Ore /gripe |
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| 19:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | Farm yer own! |
| 19:18.56 | Kraps | what |
| 19:21.15 | syrae | Kraps: what are you trying to make/do? |
| 19:22.23 | Kraps | Khorium Power Core for http://www.wowhead.com/quest=11089 |
| 19:23.26 | syrae | ah hah |
| 19:23.35 | Ackis | cool I just found a way to make 1000's of gold afk in wow and not get banned /sigh |
| 19:24.14 | syrae | O_o |
| 19:25.30 | Predicate | Kraps: did you check the vendor in Area 52? |
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| 19:27.02 | Kraps | the adamanatite frame is sold there, not the power core |
| 19:27.49 | Pneumatus | Ackis: sell TCG crap :) |
| 19:28.15 | Lunessa | Kraps: If you need one on Kirin Tor see if you can find some materials. I have an alt who can/will make them for you. |
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| 19:28.45 | Kraps | Lunessa: see above :( |
| 19:28.58 | Ackis | it involves a *censored* using a *censored* while you afk at a location in *censored* and using the class ability *censored* :P |
| 19:29.19 | Lunessa | Kraps: Well, I'm not going to farm the materials for you. :P |
| 19:29.40 | bleetah | also, the ground shaking whilst I'm on a Zep is teh lol |
| 19:29.50 | Kraps | what, why not!!! |
| 19:30.34 | Kraps | i'll give you virtual hugs! |
| 19:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | needs bail money, stat! |
| 19:31.57 | Kraps | zomg whos tv did you steal |
| 19:32.27 | Lunessa | well, the only way I can think of that would get if for you STAT might require additional bail money... |
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| 19:33.01 | alestane | For you, or someone else, Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:34.12 | Arrowmaster | Ackis, Parnic: sequence 8 finished |
| 19:34.29 | Ackis | nice Arrowmaster I haven't picked it up (nor do I know if I will) |
| 19:36.46 | HazRPG | does rested have an event? |
| 19:36.54 | HazRPG | when you enter an inn for example |
| 19:37.24 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 19:37.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont know what it is anymore |
| 19:39.09 | Predicate | !api UPDATE_EXHAUSTION |
| 19:39.09 | lua_bot | UPDATE_EXHAUSTION: Fires when the player's rest state or amount of rested XP changes (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UPDATE_EXHAUSTION) |
| 19:39.31 | Lopeppeppy | me, alestane, doing damage to indecisive sheeples. |
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| 19:39.56 | Predicate | !api PLAYER_UPDATE_RESTING |
| 19:39.57 | lua_bot | PLAYER_UPDATE_RESTING: Fires when the player enters or leaves a major city, inn or other "resting" area (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_UPDATE_RESTING) |
| 19:40.07 | Predicate | Man, I don't even know what to think of these events anymore. |
| 19:40.21 | HazRPG | ^^ |
| 19:40.27 | HazRPG | PLAYER_UPDATE_RESTING might work |
| 19:40.41 | Predicate | Yeah, I'd start with that one. |
| 19:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | bail. I cannot change the laws of time, captain. |
| 19:43.44 | Fisker | ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/10.x/10.0.0/en_US/ <-lol'd |
| 19:45.25 | HazRPG | does elseif work |
| 19:45.30 | HazRPG | or is it "else if" |
| 19:45.53 | HazRPG | (btw, thank you very much for all your help so far guys :D - much appreciated) |
| 19:45.54 | Predicate | elseif works. |
| 19:46.07 | Predicate | If you do "else if" then you need an extra "end" at the end |
| 19:46.23 | HazRPG | ah ok |
| 19:47.23 | HazRPG | do I need a "then" at the end of an elseif? |
| 19:47.33 | HazRPG | and can you string several elseif's? |
| 19:47.52 | HazRPG | or would a case/switch type statement be better (if one exists) |
| 19:50.31 | cog|work | has anyone done this yet? |
| 19:50.32 | cog|work | ~pil |
| 19:50.32 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:51.42 | Nobgul | cog|work: Not yet |
| 19:53.30 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 19:53.34 | Fisker | what should i have done? |
| 19:53.57 | cog|work | purple |
| 19:54.06 | Fisker | ok |
| 19:54.09 | Fisker | purples |
| 19:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | watches, fascinated at verbing an adjective! |
| 19:55.13 | bleetah | why not? the rest of the language is in the bukkit on the way to hell |
| 19:55.16 | foxlit | verbing weirds language, Peppy! |
| 19:56.03 | Lopeppeppy | The english language is weird enough as it is. |
| 19:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | I mean, just look at those words. "Enough" What the hell kind of word is that? Enuf. Ynuf. Inuf. |
| 19:56.49 | alestane | HazRPG: if condition then statements elseif otherCondition then differentStatements elseif ... else ... end |
| 19:57.17 | alestane | "then" is requires to delimit the condition from the statements. |
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| 19:57.21 | bleetah | Lopeppeppy: it's just showing it's Germanic routes there :P |
| 19:57.36 | alestane | The tough coughs as he ploughs the dough. |
| 19:58.04 | Humbedooh | wonders when someone's gonna start mentioning ghoti : |
| 19:58.32 | HazRPG | alestane: thanks :) |
| 19:58.37 | zenzelezz | bleetah: Germanic routes? |
| 19:58.54 | alestane | The Autobahn? |
| 19:59.04 | bleetah | roots |
| 19:59.06 | bleetah | oops |
| 19:59.33 | Shirik | I just found I think the coolest command in Microsoft Word |
| 19:59.45 | Shirik | Need to write a 500 page paper? |
| 19:59.49 | nevcairiel | is it alt-f4? |
| 19:59.51 | Shirik | Just type =RAND(200,99) |
| 19:59.54 | Shirik | hit enter |
| 19:59.58 | Shirik | and it will write 500 pages |
| 20:00.18 | alestane | http://nonadventures.com/comics/2010-10-16-219.png |
| 20:00.20 | Cide | sweet |
| 20:00.30 | Cide | and if we're lucky we get shakespeare? |
| 20:00.36 | bleetah | Cide, Shirik: http://www.kudelka.com.au/2009/08/a-banana-by-any-other-name/ |
| 20:00.43 | Shirik | yes Cide |
| 20:00.50 | nevcairiel | lol wth, its even text, looks like its help |
| 20:01.16 | bleetah | Cide, Shirik: that cartoon's pretty lol, btw. |
| 20:01.22 | nevcairiel | its 679 pages in german Word 2007 |
| 20:01.23 | Cide | yeah, bleetah |
| 20:01.23 | Shirik | I agree :P |
| 20:01.23 | nevcairiel | btw ^ |
| 20:01.27 | Shirik | nice nevcairiel |
| 20:01.29 | Cide | it was 548 swedish pages |
| 20:01.44 | Cide | all of them about microsoft word stuff |
| 20:01.54 | Shirik | Yeah I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm assuming it's some QA thing |
| 20:01.54 | nevcairiel | you read all of them? |
| 20:02.11 | Cide | yep |
| 20:02.11 | nevcairiel | i skimmed through the first page, reads like a manual |
| 20:02.49 | bleetah | http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/4772/1767/1600/62483229d.jpg |
| 20:03.15 | Humbedooh | =RAND(paragraphs, linesperparagraph) or something |
| 20:03.39 | Cide | it took me less than 5 scrolls to go through it all |
| 20:03.40 | Cide | beat that |
| 20:03.57 | Humbedooh | do =RAND(1,1) and it'll take 0 scrolls! |
| 20:06.23 | Cide | I like how RAND gives you words that aren't in the spell checker dictionary |
| 20:08.43 | Shirik | sounds like Microsoft doesn't care about sweeden |
| 20:08.48 | Shirik | pretty much a constant in the world, really |
| 20:09.51 | jnwhiteh | can you change load out of date addons via console? |
| 20:10.00 | bleetah | Shirik: which? MS's attitude or no one giving a shit about Sweedon? |
| 20:10.09 | Shirik | the latter, but the former is pretty true also |
| 20:10.18 | bleetah | sweeeedun' |
| 20:10.18 | zenzelezz | http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/17/political-pictures-cannot-be-unseen/ - my eyes... |
| 20:10.28 | bleetah | sweeedoh |
| 20:11.15 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: cvar checkAddonVersion |
| 20:11.20 | HazRPG | I figured a way to change the music depending on the classification :) and when they change target |
| 20:11.22 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.27 | HazRPG | currently in the works of finishing the code |
| 20:11.29 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 20:11.38 | Shirik | ok apparently the largest command supported is =RAND(201,99) |
| 20:11.55 | Shirik | Which gives me 567 pages and 407k words |
| 20:13.45 | Predicate | It's documented here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212251 |
| 20:16.28 | Cide | yessss |
| 20:16.31 | Cide | there's lorem too |
| 20:16.50 | Cide | =lorem(200,99) ftw |
| 20:17.23 | bleetah | there's something about 'rand.old' that just doesn't seem right |
| 20:17.26 | Cide | or (201,99) which also seems to be the max |
| 20:19.21 | Adys | http://googlepolicyeurope.blogspot.com/2010/11/partnering-to-put-out-of-print-french.html |
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| 20:23.48 | Fisker | it's pretty cold here jnwhiteh |
| 20:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I told you to put on some socks. |
| 20:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | Silly. |
| 20:24.05 | Fisker | nice tits zenzelezz |
| 20:24.58 | Coren{de} | my launcher on live shows extremely funky numbers while trying to fetch 4.0.3, and the Downloader crashes on a too regular basis, anybody else having this issue and a workaround? |
| 20:25.21 | nevcairiel | havent heard of any problems |
| 20:25.56 | Fisker | Woz did say he lightly prognosticated that Android would become more popular "based on what I've read," but that he expects Android "to be a lot like Windows... I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination. But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy." |
| 20:25.57 | Fisker | funny |
| 20:26.07 | Fisker | that's what i'd have said about iOS and |
| 20:26.14 | Fisker | mac os :o |
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| 20:27.02 | nevcairiel | who the hell is woz |
| 20:27.10 | nevcairiel | sounds like a apple fanboi |
| 20:27.37 | durcyn | ... steve wozniak, you have perhaps heard of him |
| 20:27.57 | Fisker | he is nevcairiel |
| 20:28.06 | Fisker | he founded apple together with steve jobs or some shit |
| 20:28.11 | nevcairiel | oh that guy |
| 20:28.18 | Dagmar | noob |
| 20:28.29 | HazRPG | hmm, is there a way to make a random number? |
| 20:28.30 | nevcairiel | he was on big bang theory a few weeks ago |
| 20:28.34 | Fisker | it's funny because iOS is what he thinks Android can be |
| 20:28.35 | HazRPG | between a range of available numbers? |
| 20:28.37 | Fisker | shit, but popular |
| 20:28.37 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:28.41 | cog|work | HazRPG: |
| 20:28.42 | cog|work | ~pil |
| 20:28.42 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:29.08 | cog|work | !api random |
| 20:29.08 | lua_bot | random: Generates a pseudo-random number (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/random) |
| 20:29.11 | Humbedooh | HazRPG: math.random(a[,b]) |
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| 20:30.19 | Dagmar | Not when you're doing something detailed it's not. |
| 20:30.20 | HazRPG | so "random(1, 9)" would create a random number between 1-9 correct? |
| 20:30.21 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 20:30.31 | Coren{de} | is there a way to use a torrent program to update the game? transmission can parse the tfil, but says the tracker gives a 404 |
| 20:30.32 | Humbedooh | lua> math.random(1,9) |
| 20:30.33 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 7 |
| 20:30.54 | Cide | no |
| 20:30.54 | Cide | wrong |
| 20:30.59 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil is the proper response |
| 20:31.48 | nevcairiel | !api GetGlyphSocketInfo |
| 20:31.49 | lua_bot | GetGlyphSocketInfo: Returns information about a glyph socket and its contents (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGlyphSocketInfo) |
| 20:31.58 | HazRPG | thanks |
| 20:33.04 | bleetah | Fisker: Woz also did say it was cool to jailbraik apple devices, for a while ;) |
| 20:40.48 | Nobgul | lua> math.random(1,100) |
| 20:40.48 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 66 |
| 20:40.54 | Nobgul | Dam almost 69 >_< |
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| 20:42.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.44 | Nobgul | lua = math.atan2(1, 0), math.atan2(-1, 0), math.atan2(0, 1), math.atan2(0, -1) |
| 20:42.59 | Nobgul | lua> math.atan2(1, 0), math.atan2(-1, 0), math.atan2(0, 1), math.atan2(0, -1) |
| 20:43.00 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 1.5707963267949, -1.5707963267949, 0, 3.1415926535898 |
| 20:43.22 | nevcairiel | great, you made pies |
| 20:44.14 | Nobgul | lol |
| 20:44.39 | Nobgul | lua> math.sqrt(35) |
| 20:44.39 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 5.9160797830996 |
| 20:45.16 | Cide | lua bot is not a substitute for a scientific calculator unless you use pm's in which case it can be |
| 20:45.24 | Nobgul | =) il use a pm |
| 20:45.36 | Nobgul | i am just researching math. |
| 20:45.43 | Nobgul | i never use it and it looks interesting |
| 20:45.44 | Cide | researching math?! |
| 20:45.49 | Nobgul | the lua |
| 20:45.52 | Nobgul | Cide! |
| 20:45.53 | Cide | the lua math |
| 20:45.54 | Nobgul | lol |
| 20:45.57 | syrae | however, lua bot is a perfect substitute for directly annoying Cide. |
| 20:45.57 | Cide | my god |
| 20:46.07 | Humbedooh | don't forget libmath, Nobgul! |
| 20:46.17 | nevcairiel | you and your stupid libraries |
| 20:46.26 | Humbedooh | oi oi, those are useful functions |
| 20:46.37 | nevcairiel | not for addons :P |
| 20:46.42 | Humbedooh | sure they are |
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| 20:47.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 20:47.53 | Nobgul | Hrmm |
| 20:47.54 | Humbedooh | fx a minimap button's placement could be done with just math.rotate(x,y,angle) |
| 20:47.58 | cog|work | morning |
| 20:48.11 | Nobgul | I like the math.random the most =P |
| 20:48.52 | Cide | and we don't care =P |
| 20:49.00 | nevcairiel | thats the worst of it, that rotate function doesnt even fit in there |
| 20:49.09 | Humbedooh | why not? |
| 20:49.58 | nevcairiel | the others are basic math, that is one very specific function |
| 20:50.06 | Humbedooh | it's basic matrix math :\ |
| 20:50.12 | Cide | exactly |
| 20:50.17 | Cide | use matrix math to do it |
| 20:50.24 | Cide | the others are tricky to get right |
| 20:50.35 | Cide | like implementing sin or cos properly |
| 20:50.39 | foxlit | Wait, what? button placement? matrix math? |
| 20:50.53 | Shirik | Fisker / nevcairiel: That's what any company will say when they get beat out in a market |
| 20:51.06 | Humbedooh | and then there's the same math.log that lua 5.2 has :| |
| 20:51.29 | Shirik | Also, all math should be matrix math |
| 20:51.36 | Nobgul | lua> math.log(69) |
| 20:51.36 | lua_bot | Nobgul: 4.2341065045973 |
| 20:51.38 | Shirik | Need to multiply two numbers? Multiply 2 1x1 matricies |
| 20:51.39 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 20:52.25 | Shirik | Need to add two numbers? Multiply a 2x1 matrix by [1 1] |
| 20:52.33 | Shirik | or is it by [1] |
| 20:52.37 | Shirik | yeah the latter |
| 20:53.10 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: the problem is that some people will like, want one function out of that lib, and then install the whole thing, just to get math.round, which they could do with 4 lines of code themself. Its just a bad idea |
| 20:53.36 | Shirik | This coming from an Ace developer? |
| 20:53.37 | Humbedooh | isn't that the point of most libraries though? |
| 20:54.02 | Fisker | i once killed a Shirik |
| 20:54.05 | Humbedooh | I don't need the whole friggin acegui library, but I have to install it anyway just to use aceconfig |
| 20:54.06 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you don't seem to have paid much attention since the days of Ace2 |
| 20:54.18 | Shirik | I'm kidding :) |
| 20:54.50 | nevcairiel | eh, that comparison fails |
| 20:54.52 | Cide | Humbedooh: nobody said ace was a good example of not overselling libraries |
| 20:54.52 | cbreak | a row matrix [a b] can not be multiplied with the matrix [1] |
| 20:55.13 | Cide | sure it can |
| 20:55.14 | Shirik | [a; b] can |
| 20:55.18 | Cide | [1]*[a b] |
| 20:55.22 | cbreak | if you want to add a and b, do something like [1 1]*[a;b] |
| 20:55.25 | Shirik | bad Cide |
| 20:55.33 | Humbedooh | I don't give a damn about selling anything - it's just a compilation of easy to use "shortcuts" if you will |
| 20:55.37 | Cide | why, Shirik? |
| 20:55.44 | Shirik | Matrix multiplication is not commutative |
| 20:55.48 | Humbedooh | that's what most libraries are |
| 20:55.50 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 20:55.53 | Shirik | and furthermore, cbreak, try a column matrix |
| 20:55.58 | Cide | but nobody said it was right-multiplication |
| 20:56.23 | Cide | a row matrix [a b] can indeed be multiplied with the matrix [1] |
| 20:56.23 | Cide | just not with [a b]*[1] |
| 20:56.29 | cbreak | then you get [a b] |
| 20:56.33 | Cide | yes |
| 20:56.34 | cbreak | and not a+b |
| 20:56.37 | cbreak | as requested |
| 20:56.40 | Cide | indeed |
| 20:56.51 | Shirik | You know what |
| 20:56.52 | Cide | I just like contesting people |
| 20:56.52 | Shirik | screw matrix math |
| 20:56.57 | Shirik | I know how to do 2x2 and 3x3 |
| 20:57.00 | Shirik | and that's all that matters |
| 20:57.03 | Shirik | and 4x4 |
| 20:57.11 | Cide | formula for 5x5 determinant go |
| 20:57.14 | cbreak | 4x4 is the most important... |
| 20:57.16 | Shirik | no screw that |
| 20:57.25 | Humbedooh | 2x3 > 4x4 |
| 20:57.37 | cbreak | who needs 2x3? |
| 20:57.48 | Humbedooh | WoW does? |
| 20:57.52 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:57.53 | Humbedooh | every single game does? |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | for what |
| 20:57.55 | Shirik | no |
| 20:57.58 | Shirik | games use 4x4 |
| 20:58.08 | Humbedooh | 2d graphics use 2x3 |
| 20:58.30 | Humbedooh | for all transformations |
| 20:58.31 | Cide | I thought 2d graphics used 3x3 since you can't represent translation otherwise? |
| 20:58.37 | Shirik | ...... what? |
| 20:58.39 | Shirik | You have to use 3x3 |
| 20:58.44 | Humbedooh | the calculation is 3x3 yes |
| 20:58.48 | Humbedooh | but it's a fake 3x3 |
| 20:58.52 | Cide | lol |
| 20:58.53 | Shirik | No it's not fake |
| 20:59.05 | Cide | you can't discount the 1's just because they're constant |
| 20:59.12 | Humbedooh | only the 2x3 matters, the rest is always [1 0 0] |
| 20:59.13 | cbreak | 2d graphics uses 3x3 for affine transforms |
| 20:59.21 | cbreak | 3d graphics uses 4x4 |
| 20:59.35 | Shirik | It's not always [1 0 0] |
| 20:59.39 | Shirik | That's the whole reason it exists |
| 20:59.43 | Shirik | You need to force it to [1 0 0] |
| 21:00.00 | Humbedooh | when wouldn't it be 1 0 0? |
| 21:00.04 | Shirik | We always WANT it to be [1 0 0] |
| 21:00.04 | cbreak | if you want to transform normals |
| 21:00.37 | Humbedooh | or rather, why would I care if it's anything else |
| 21:00.49 | Shirik | Because then it would be scaled incorrectly |
| 21:00.50 | cbreak | because you want correct results |
| 21:01.06 | Fisker | i like clearing icc in 2½ hours :o |
| 21:01.16 | Humbedooh | scaled incorrectly? |
| 21:01.24 | industrial | it doesnt scale!!!! |
| 21:01.27 | industrial | hides |
| 21:01.37 | Cide | wat |
| 21:01.38 | Shirik | Yes, the way you correct it is by multiplying the matrix by a scalar to get it equal to [1 0 0] |
| 21:02.10 | industrial | Cide: troll software development argument |
| 21:02.10 | Humbedooh | the way I correct what? |
| 21:02.10 | Shirik | which affects all values |
| 21:02.19 | Shirik | ...your result |
| 21:03.02 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogenous_coordinates |
| 21:03.19 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: using assert in assignments to check if some variable exists is a bad design, also your library doesn't work embedded properly. Older versions loaded later would overwrite the functions again, you know, there is never software without any bugs :d |
| 21:03.42 | Humbedooh | there are no bugs. |
| 21:03.49 | Shirik | You are full of shit |
| 21:03.56 | Cide | oh snap |
| 21:04.03 | Shirik | There is never software without bugs, period |
| 21:04.13 | Shirik | There is software that works well even in the presence of bugs |
| 21:04.14 | cbreak | Shirik: TeX? |
| 21:04.18 | Shirik | but there is never software without bugs |
| 21:04.25 | Shirik | TeX is not software it is an abomination |
| 21:04.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:04.52 | Humbedooh | so, Shirik, if I don't give a hoot about Z in the x,y,z coordinate, why does the 0 0 1 matter to me? |
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| 21:04.59 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 21:05.10 | Shirik | because (1,1) is not the same as (2,2) |
| 21:05.29 | Shirik | But (1,1,1) is the same as (2,2,2) in 2d space |
| 21:05.35 | cbreak | Humbedooh: look at how a translation is expressed in 2d with a matrix |
| 21:05.39 | Cide | if you don't care about the z in xyz, why don't you use 2x2 matrices? |
| 21:05.41 | Shirik | so if you only pay attention to the (2,2) part you're going to get a wrong result |
| 21:05.48 | Cide | oh wait, you can't represent translation |
| 21:05.57 | Humbedooh | Cide: exactly |
| 21:06.02 | Humbedooh | so I need a 2x3 |
| 21:06.04 | Shirik | no |
| 21:06.06 | Shirik | you need a 3x3 |
| 21:06.13 | Cide | translation is in the third row afaik |
| 21:06.32 | Humbedooh | no, I _use_ a 3x3, but I don't give a rats ass about the last part of it |
| 21:06.36 | Shirik | Yes you do |
| 21:06.41 | Humbedooh | no I don't :( |
| 21:06.45 | Cide | oh nvm |
| 21:06.46 | cbreak | Cide: usually in 3d it's in the fourth column |
| 21:06.46 | Humbedooh | I don't even calculate it |
| 21:06.51 | Shirik | If you don't then it's possible to get a wrong result |
| 21:06.58 | Cide | yeah, my bad cbreak |
| 21:07.05 | Cide | it's the 3rd column in 2d |
| 21:07.12 | Humbedooh | math proof or gtfo :\ |
| 21:07.16 | cbreak | if you don't calculate it, you get wrong results |
| 21:07.17 | Shirik | I just linked you the damn page |
| 21:07.21 | Shirik | you ignored it |
| 21:07.35 | Humbedooh | I don't see any proof there |
| 21:08.02 | Shirik | Look in any linear algebra textbook? It's a fundamental concept |
| 21:08.10 | Shirik | Nobody needs to prove it |
| 21:08.15 | Shirik | that's like proving 1+2 = 3 |
| 21:08.21 | cbreak | Humbedooh: imagine a matrix for translating everything 1 unit in x direction |
| 21:08.22 | Shirik | It is what we defined it to be |
| 21:08.23 | Humbedooh | no, it's not a fact, it's a tautology |
| 21:08.55 | cbreak | how does it look like? in 3x3, it would be [1 0 1 ; 0 1 0 ; 0 0 1] |
| 21:09.12 | zenzelezz | kicks omega.contacts.msn.com |
| 21:09.31 | Cide | word, zenzelezz |
| 21:09.59 | Humbedooh | I could set the last part to [1 9999 "cheesecake"] and it wouldn't matter to me |
| 21:10.10 | Shirik | Ok wait |
| 21:10.13 | Shirik | so let me get this straight |
| 21:10.17 | cbreak | it would |
| 21:10.23 | cbreak | just put it into the matrix |
| 21:10.25 | Humbedooh | no it wouldn't :( |
| 21:10.35 | Humbedooh | it doesn't go into the f... matrix at all! |
| 21:10.37 | Shirik | Your argument for needing a 2x3 matrix is "I choose not to do anything where my version of math breaks"? |
| 21:10.40 | cbreak | then you're dumb and can't multiply "cheesekake" with 1 |
| 21:10.52 | Humbedooh | but cheesecake never gets multiplied |
| 21:10.56 | cbreak | it does |
| 21:11.03 | Cide | do you even know how matrix multiplication works |
| 21:11.04 | Shirik | it does if you want to get a correct result |
| 21:11.07 | cbreak | just look at the matrix |
| 21:11.07 | zenzelezz | I'm still anticipating a proper sequel to The Matrix... something like The Quaternion |
| 21:11.08 | foxlit | cbreak: clearly "cheesecake" * 1 == "cheesecake"! |
| 21:11.16 | Shirik | stabs zenzelezz |
| 21:12.06 | cbreak | zenzelezz: The Complex Matrix |
| 21:12.15 | cbreak | (for fourrier transform) |
| 21:12.19 | Shirik | You simply cannot ignore that third row. If you do, you're going to get coordinates that are from a different perspective. |
| 21:12.23 | Cide | I prefer the furrier transform |
| 21:12.26 | Shirik | And when that happens your results are going to be simply wrong. |
| 21:12.35 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 21:12.37 | Humbedooh | how can they be wrong? |
| 21:12.37 | zenzelezz | cbreak: and a two-part series, The Rotation Matrix and The Projection Matrix |
| 21:12.44 | Shirik | Because they're from a different perspective |
| 21:12.45 | Shirik | Look |
| 21:12.45 | Dagmar | Because they're furry |
| 21:12.54 | cbreak | Shirik: let's ignore him, he's clearly too dumb to do matrix multiplication |
| 21:12.57 | Cide | I can see it now... The Matrix: Identity |
| 21:12.59 | Shirik | [2 2 2; 2 2 2; 2 0 0] and [1 1 1; 1 1 1; 1 0 0] are identical |
| 21:13.07 | Humbedooh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_matrix#Other_kinds_of_transformations |
| 21:13.09 | Dagmar | real men use algebra |
| 21:13.11 | cbreak | zenzelezz: perspective or orthogonal projection? |
| 21:13.27 | Dagmar | Do you know where I first saw matrix math being done? |
| 21:13.31 | cbreak | Shirik: you use column major? |
| 21:13.33 | Humbedooh | there, I linked a wiki page too |
| 21:13.33 | Dagmar | A text on _geomancy_. |
| 21:13.36 | Shirik | hey cbreak |
| 21:13.39 | Shirik | er, Humbedooh |
| 21:13.41 | zenzelezz | The Rotation Matrix 2: Gimbal lock |
| 21:13.42 | Shirik | See that page you just linked? |
| 21:13.44 | Shirik | "After carrying out the matrix multiplication, the homogeneous component wc will, in general, not be equal to 1. Therefore, to map back into the real plane we must perform the homogeneous divide or perspective divide by dividing each component by wc:" |
| 21:13.49 | Shirik | THAT"S WHY YOU NEED IT |
| 21:13.58 | Cide | oh snap |
| 21:14.04 | Humbedooh | but not in 2d graphics! |
| 21:14.05 | Cide | link fail |
| 21:14.13 | Shirik | Yes you do... |
| 21:14.16 | Shirik | ffs |
| 21:14.23 | Shirik | I give up and my laptop battery is almost dead |
| 21:14.26 | Shirik | I'll be back in 15 or so |
| 21:14.28 | Cide | latah |
| 21:14.34 | cbreak | Humbedooh: get some clue. It works for all dimensionalities... |
| 21:15.11 | Humbedooh | you obviously have no idea what the 2x3 matrix does then :\ |
| 21:15.30 | Humbedooh | there's no perspective or other thingymajigs in play here |
| 21:15.50 | cbreak | you need it even for simple affine transforms. |
| 21:16.22 | Humbedooh | I've never used it for simple affine transformations |
| 21:16.29 | Humbedooh | and never will |
| 21:16.33 | cbreak | I do computer graphics programming for a living. I did. |
| 21:17.25 | cbreak | ah well, no need for me to convince you... |
| 21:17.33 | Humbedooh | okay then: I have a coordinate set [x y] and I have two funky thingymabobs [1 0 0] and [0 2 0] |
| 21:17.52 | Humbedooh | so, I add a fake z to them, giving me [x y z] and the [0 0 1] crap as well |
| 21:17.58 | Dagmar | You twist them together, then bend the corners back... and you have a little boat! |
| 21:18.12 | cbreak | Dagmar: I WANT AN AIRPLANE! WAAAAAH! |
| 21:18.25 | Dagmar | cbreak: That's what the [3x5] grid is for |
| 21:18.41 | Humbedooh | [x] [1 0 0] |
| 21:18.41 | Humbedooh | [y]=[0 2 0] |
| 21:18.41 | Humbedooh | [z] [1 9 cheesecake] |
| 21:18.50 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:19.06 | Humbedooh | so that's 1x+0y+0 and 0x+2y+0 |
| 21:19.16 | Humbedooh | now, tell me why I need to worry about cheesecake |
| 21:20.06 | Dagmar | Because it's delicious |
| 21:20.15 | Humbedooh | apparently it's evil |
| 21:20.18 | Coren{de} | because it's tasty and sweet, but too much of it won't do you good, so only *1* |
| 21:20.28 | Ackis | ~g 36000 km to miles |
| 21:20.39 | Cide | NO |
| 21:20.43 | Cide | you did it the wrong way |
| 21:20.44 | Humbedooh | but since I don't give a damn about the z-value, I'll never get remotely close to the cheesecake |
| 21:20.47 | Cide | you never convert "to" miles |
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| 21:20.57 | Cide | you convert away from it and far far away from it |
| 21:21.05 | Ackis | Cide: I'm dealing with americnas |
| 21:21.07 | Coren{de} | lua> 36000 / 1.609 |
| 21:21.07 | lua_bot | Coren{de}: 22374.145431945 |
| 21:21.14 | zenzelezz | lua> 36000/1.6 |
| 21:21.15 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 22500 |
| 21:21.18 | Cide | Ackis: they can deal in our units |
| 21:21.30 | cbreak | just use nautical miles |
| 21:21.31 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 21:21.37 | zenzelezz | nevermind me |
| 21:21.38 | cbreak | or british miles |
| 21:21.45 | Cide | or kilometers |
| 21:21.51 | cbreak | that'd be too sane |
| 21:21.55 | Coren{de} | lightseconds, that should be a nice SI unit... |
| 21:22.15 | zenzelezz | think big, use AU |
| 21:22.17 | Cide | it is a derived SI unit |
| 21:22.24 | cbreak | SI units were chosen to be in magnitudes that make sense in daily life |
| 21:22.31 | Cide | hardly :P |
| 21:22.36 | Cide | (coloumb anyone?) |
| 21:22.41 | Humbedooh | wins the Internet |
| 21:22.46 | Cide | coulomb |
| 21:22.58 | cbreak | that unit is so useful in daily life... |
| 21:22.59 | Coren{de} | what's wrong with Coulomb? |
| 21:23.10 | Cide | it's absolutely massively fricking huge in all lives |
| 21:23.19 | Cide | daily or not |
| 21:23.36 | Cide | or newton which is the opposite :P |
| 21:23.42 | Coren{de} | 1 Coulomb is just an Ampere-second, and Amperes and seconds are not that huge :) |
| 21:23.44 | Cide | or pascal which is definitely the opposite |
| 21:23.56 | Cide | ampere is pretty big too |
| 21:24.21 | cbreak | pascal is just precise... :) |
| 21:24.25 | Cide | not to mention tesla |
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| 21:24.33 | Cide | you don't get precision from the unit :P |
| 21:24.38 | Cide | you get precision from the measurement |
| 21:24.40 | Coren{de} | for regular ealier in the 20th century devices, Ampere seems to be appropriate |
| 21:24.44 | cbreak | not from mine |
| 21:24.55 | Ackis | is in a foul mood |
| 21:25.01 | Ackis | $650 for the car today |
| 21:25.14 | cbreak | I don't own a car. HA! |
| 21:25.14 | Ackis | $400-$2000 for a new bathtub coming up (found out last night) |
| 21:25.22 | cbreak | and showers > bathing |
| 21:25.48 | Coren{de} | sunday afternoon bath >> sunday afternoon shower |
| 21:25.53 | Ackis | I'm not in an argumentative mood right now cbreak so I'll just say fuck off. |
| 21:26.07 | cbreak | Ackis: don't worry, I have enough mood for both of us |
| 21:28.54 | Nobgul | Ackis: What type of bath are you getting cause 2000$ it better have a nakid woman in it |
| 21:29.55 | Ackis | it depends on if I need the tiling redone, the tub itself is like $300 |
| 21:30.18 | Baps | floor tile isn't that hard to do yourself if you're so inclined |
| 21:30.25 | Baps | wall tile is a bit more of a pain |
| 21:31.03 | Nobgul | Err Yer being in a hotel and all. We spend max 1500$ per bathroom thats with all new everything. |
| 21:31.27 | Dagmar | That explains quite a bit |
| 21:31.30 | Nobgul | But your best bet is to go with 30inch x 30inch wall and floor tile. They are huge and easier to put down |
| 21:32.03 | Baps | 30"x30" is a huge tile |
| 21:32.18 | Baps | "large" tiles are typically less than 16"x16" |
| 21:32.41 | cbreak | proposes iPads |
| 21:34.59 | Shirik | I swear to god |
| 21:35.03 | Shirik | I will destroy you cbreak |
| 21:35.43 | cbreak | which god? |
| 21:36.20 | zenzelezz | cbreak: that's a novel idea, but you'd have to be connected to iTunes to drive away the water from them |
| 21:36.37 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 21:40.54 | Shirik | I just locked myself out of my wow account |
| 21:41.07 | Zasurus | gutting |
| 21:41.17 | Zasurus | How did you do that? |
| 21:41.31 | Shirik | I guess because I'm logging in from school |
| 21:41.46 | Zasurus | I didn't know you could lock your self out |
| 21:41.53 | Shirik | neither did I |
| 21:42.18 | foxlit | and how many times did you fail to log in? |
| 21:42.39 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2da8a553bee979fada6a981e9032dfec.jpg |
| 21:42.52 | Shirik | None |
| 21:42.58 | cbreak | haha, fun |
| 21:42.59 | Shirik | But I have never logged in from school before |
| 21:43.13 | cbreak | blizz is getting more paranoid than even my bank :D |
| 21:43.21 | cbreak | (and it's a swiss bank...) |
| 21:43.31 | Zasurus | To be honist it it avoids you getting hacked I am for it! ;-) |
| 21:43.47 | Coren{de} | banks are not really paranoid, they have insurance... |
| 21:43.50 | Zasurus | Maybe it detected others logging in from the same ip |
| 21:44.07 | Shirik | there is in fact someone right next to me playing wow |
| 21:44.21 | cbreak | I bet it's some kind of per-account subnet whitelisting |
| 21:44.32 | Dagmar | Very likely |
| 21:44.34 | Zasurus | Yer maybe its something to do with so many different account all of a sudden on the same ip |
| 21:44.49 | Dagmar | At this point the criminals are probably trying brute-force attempts on some accounts |
| 21:44.51 | cbreak | Zasurus: more likely, something with the same account on a totally different IP |
| 21:45.39 | Dagmar | Coren: Banks show all the concern of a dockworking hoooker |
| 21:46.20 | Dagmar | Coren: I had to have a "discussion" with BofA on behalf of my sister in law because someone stole over two-thousand dollars from her account electronically, and they weren't going to do anything. |
| 21:46.56 | Dagmar | The discussion amounted to "The money wasn't stolen from her, it was stolen from _you_. You can either handle this matter appropriately, or we call the police and tell them about the bank robbery." |
| 21:46.57 | cbreak | how can you steal stuff electronically? |
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| 21:47.19 | Coren{de} | Dagmar, nice one... and that worked? |
| 21:47.22 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 21:47.25 | cbreak | to me, it seems more likely that the end user side failed than that the bank failed |
| 21:47.44 | Dagmar | They literally have *no* protection against bank transfers |
| 21:47.47 | Coren{de} | cbreak: the whole pin/tan system is fail from beginning to end |
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| 21:48.06 | frontendloader | is there any way to kill the popup sound in a StaticPopupFrame |
| 21:48.12 | cbreak | Coren{de}: my bank has a password and a one-time-use password card |
| 21:48.36 | Coren{de} | cbreak, that sounds even worse fail :D |
| 21:48.37 | cbreak | frontendloader: maybe by hooking the play sound function |
| 21:48.42 | cbreak | Coren{de}: it works very well |
| 21:49.02 | frontendloader | Theres a sound setting where you can change the sound played, but setting it to nil or an empty string |
| 21:49.03 | Coren{de} | the problem is not that it doesn't work, the problem is that it works too good, even if it shouldn't... |
| 21:49.06 | frontendloader | doesn't stop it from playing |
| 21:49.19 | cbreak | Coren{de}: of course, that's combined with the usual stuff such as secure system and encrypted communication |
| 21:49.46 | cbreak | it's unlikely that a third party can guess the one-time-use key |
| 21:50.18 | nevcairiel | Shirik: did you activate that new authenticator mechanism they advertised a while ago? Its exactly doing that, checking access pattern .. but should be off by default <.< |
| 21:50.19 | cbreak | the main vulnerability is that it can be spied on in-real-life |
| 21:50.36 | Coren{de} | cbreak, MITM in the browser works fine with some CAs giving ridiculous certs for people |
| 21:50.51 | cbreak | if it's sniffed by some random mal ware, it will only be useful for one try |
| 21:51.22 | cbreak | Coren{de}: that's why sane people use something that detects changing certs :) |
| 21:51.47 | Coren{de} | cbreak, I agree, but that again puts the burden in the wrong end |
| 21:51.53 | cbreak | why? |
| 21:52.09 | cbreak | you can't get it secure if you don't put any responsibility on the user |
| 21:52.12 | Coren{de} | banks should give *us* personal certs so *they* can prove we're who we say we are |
| 21:52.24 | cbreak | that'd be nice |
| 21:52.29 | cbreak | but unfortunately, useless |
| 21:52.31 | Coren{de} | no, that would be *sane* |
| 21:52.44 | cbreak | since one main way of account compromises are troyans |
| 21:52.48 | cbreak | which have access to the certs |
| 21:53.03 | cbreak | it'd have to be implemented as external hardware, maybe a USB thingie, or a smart card reader |
| 21:53.13 | cbreak | which is expensive |
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| 21:53.28 | Coren{de} | sure, bring it on, *they* save money, why should they not give some of it back? |
| 21:53.43 | Dagmar | Because that's not what their buisness model is. |
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| 21:53.55 | Dagmar | Their business model is about taking people's money and not giving it back. |
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| 21:54.21 | Dagmar | cbreak: hard tokens are expensive? |
| 21:54.29 | Coren{de} | I know :| their business model is 1% fraud is ok, we lose 1% customers to another bank, but they have the same issues, so 1% of all the others come back to us... why bother |
| 21:54.42 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I didn't think so |
| 21:54.44 | Shirik | maybe I did |
| 21:54.45 | cbreak | Dagmar: public key tokens are |
| 21:55.07 | Dagmar | cbreak: They're about $21 per seat in any kind of bulk |
| 21:55.22 | cbreak | hmm... only? Cool. |
| 21:55.45 | cbreak | wonder how they are driven |
| 21:55.46 | Dagmar | I'd pay $21 to do electronic banking safely, but that's not where the problem is |
| 21:56.03 | Dagmar | Vendors not being held _seriously_ accountable for violations of PCI guidelines is a huge thing |
| 21:56.21 | foxlit | Thing is, no amount of single-channel security is going to save you from a compromised local system. |
| 21:56.43 | Dagmar | Fuckers will keep your credit card number in it's entirety _forever_ on a system that's connected to the internet unless you threaten someone with bloody murder |
| 21:56.46 | foxlit | To solve bank fraud, they'd basically have to call you to verify your transactions. |
| 21:57.09 | Coren{de} | foxlit, saying there are other problems unsolved doesn't mean the solvable problems should just be glanced over |
| 21:57.17 | Dagmar | Someone cracks the thinly protected system, steals numbers and details, and then proceeds to steal from thousands of people at once |
| 21:57.43 | Xyphoid | Dagmar: and you have to argue extensively to get programmers to realise why that's a bad idea |
| 21:57.54 | foxlit | Coren{de}: I may not be following the conversation in its entirety. Which solvable problems are you referring to? |
| 21:57.54 | Dagmar | Most programmers know. |
| 21:57.56 | cbreak | foxlit: a public key token can be considered a second channel |
| 21:58.07 | foxlit | cbreak: as long as you type it into your PC, it cannot. |
| 21:58.08 | cbreak | foxlit: since it can communicate securely, even over a compromised system |
| 21:58.18 | cbreak | no, of course not. it has to have it's own input and output |
| 21:58.28 | Coren{de} | foxlit: the fact that you can only hope that you communicate with the bank (DNS poisoning, fake certs) |
| 21:58.45 | foxlit | fake certs? |
| 21:58.56 | Dagmar | Most programmers just don't _care_ and their bosses definitely don't care until Visa comes down and gets mad enough to threaten them |
| 21:59.10 | cbreak | Dagmar: it seems weird to me that credit card numbers are considered a secret. |
| 21:59.11 | Coren{de} | foxlit, a lot of CAs are pretty... lenient in whom they let have what cert |
| 21:59.17 | cbreak | Dagmar: they are PRINTED ON THE CARD |
| 21:59.23 | Dagmar | cbreak: Only part of hte number is considered secret. |
| 21:59.33 | foxlit | Coren{de}: extended validation is really supposed to fix that. Do people actually use CA-signed certs for phishing nowadays? |
| 21:59.34 | cbreak | that part is printed as well |
| 21:59.37 | Dagmar | ...and a hard token would solve a lot of this shit |
| 21:59.57 | Dagmar | ...instead of there just being "oooh a second static number!" printed on the back of the card |
| 22:00.10 | Coren{de} | foxlit, I like that "supposed to fix", why not fix it in the way that it actually ends of fixed? |
| 22:00.27 | Dagmar | There's just a lot of vendors who don't want to let go of the ability to charge your card _more_ later if they decide you didn't pay enough |
| 22:00.29 | foxlit | cbreak: basically, the problem is that a compromised computer can still present the "Transfer $10000000 to Nigeria?" prompt from the bank as "Pay your creditors $20?" |
| 22:00.55 | cbreak | foxlit: but it can't make the token show 20 |
| 22:00.57 | Dagmar | foxlit: Except that's not how the leaks happen |
| 22:01.12 | foxlit | cbreak: fancy tokens? |
| 22:01.19 | Dagmar | The problem is that the details necessary to create a new transaction later are being copied and used later |
| 22:01.21 | foxlit | I was thinking of the RSA log-in stuff. |
| 22:01.22 | cbreak | yeah. secure token :) |
| 22:01.29 | cbreak | the one time key gen? |
| 22:01.40 | cbreak | that doesn't protect against mitm |
| 22:01.54 | Dagmar | Ther'es pretty much zero stuff going on with a payment screen showing an amount other than what you're being charged, except in the case of a few unscrupulous vendors |
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| 22:01.59 | cbreak | it only protects against non-realtime or observing attackers |
| 22:02.02 | Dagmar | That sort of thing will make Visa bounce someone |
| 22:02.02 | Nobgul | Anyone done lk 25 man in here i had a few questions |
| 22:02.20 | Dagmar | There's jack and shit going on or MITM attacks like that |
| 22:02.41 | cbreak | I've read about some MitM banking troyans a year ago or so |
| 22:02.48 | cbreak | it could do quite a few neat tricks |
| 22:02.50 | Dagmar | Very little can be done about it, but we should at least force the fuckers to go to that level |
| 22:02.53 | cbreak | not sure if it was actually used much |
| 22:03.05 | Dagmar | cbreak: Those are attacks on banks directly. |
| 22:03.10 | Dagmar | They're pretty rare. |
| 22:03.13 | cbreak | nah, it was on the user |
| 22:03.22 | cbreak | it actually did what foxlit described |
| 22:03.26 | Dagmar | A user of a specific bank. |
| 22:03.34 | Dagmar | There was one just last month. |
| 22:03.38 | cbreak | it had a whole list of banks it could intercept |
| 22:03.39 | Dagmar | Some bank in the UK |
| 22:04.16 | Coren{de} | the fact that they still use 4-digit pins is proof enough for me that they don't care (they once considered going to 6-digits, but iirc the legacy issues were too hard) |
| 22:04.20 | bleetah | can't stop the trojans with online banks and you can't stop fraud with bricks and mortar banks |
| 22:04.31 | Dagmar | Oof. That reminds me I need to login to battle.net tonight and update my credit card number |
| 22:04.58 | Dagmar | Coren: The difference between 4-digit and 6-digit PINS is fairly inconsequential. |
| 22:05.18 | Dagmar | It's not realistic to attempt to brute force a 4-digit PIN as it is |
| 22:05.35 | Dagmar | A hundred failures is PLENTY enough to set off all kinds of alarms. |
| 22:05.37 | Coren{de} | Dagmar, I want 8 digits, the point is, they don't care enough |
| 22:05.53 | Dagmar | You get your actual card stolen and used often? |
| 22:06.01 | Dagmar | Your PIN doesn't do _anything_ about online transactions. |
| 22:06.08 | Dagmar | It's literally only in play at ATM machines. |
| 22:06.17 | Coren{de} | I *know*, tsk |
| 22:06.36 | cbreak | ATMMachine? |
| 22:06.48 | Nobgul | Anyone downed 25 lk? |
| 22:06.55 | cbreak | I bet many did... |
| 22:06.58 | Coren{de} | point is, how hard is it to video 4-digit numbers and steal the card... not much; still every bank will claim that you wrote the pin on the card |
| 22:07.24 | Dagmar | Coren: You'd notice someone running up and taking your card, and then you'd call the bank and have it disabled |
| 22:07.45 | Coren{de} | lol... I think you underestimate the profession of thievery ;p |
| 22:07.48 | Zasurus | cloning cards is easyer can't be traced |
| 22:07.56 | Dagmar | Coren{de}: No, believe me, I don't. |
| 22:08.17 | Dagmar | I learned long ago that my brain is twisted and kinked in a way that makes me particularly creative when it comes to crime |
| 22:08.59 | Dagmar | Zasurus: A cloned card shows up like white phosphorus in the system |
| 22:09.25 | Coren{de} | depends where you use it |
| 22:09.38 | Zasurus | Dagmar: Only if you use it 100 miles from the last place |
| 22:09.41 | Dagmar | There's very few small-time actors in that space. They tend to clone a _lot_ of cards with numbers they bought from someone else. |
| 22:09.44 | Zasurus | what he said ;-) |
| 22:09.45 | Coren{de} | there are still machines out there who don't care about the chip, only the magnet |
| 22:09.58 | Dagmar | ...and they almost never make sure they're using them anywhere near a location you used it. |
| 22:10.34 | Dagmar | So... mainly transactions in Nashville, and then one in Seattle and again in Nashville on the same day? Even a child knows which one is likely fraudulent. |
| 22:10.44 | Dagmar | Coren: What chip? |
| 22:11.18 | Dagmar | DAMN few banks have smart cards |
| 22:11.42 | Dagmar | ...although more should since it makes them hugely more complex to clone. The network just can't facilitate them |
| 22:12.24 | syrae | the US has few smart cards, but they're a more widespread in the EU. |
| 22:12.49 | Coren{de} | US still has magnet-only cards?? |
| 22:13.03 | syrae | the US has primarily magnet only cards and readers |
| 22:13.05 | Dagmar | yes. |
| 22:13.16 | Coren{de} | scary |
| 22:13.38 | Dagmar | We rolled out the network a hell of a lot sooner than most people, so the vendors are all "waaahh wahhh it's expensive to upgrade" |
| 22:15.44 | cbreak | I find my credit card worthless for anything than the few online shops that don't send invoices |
| 22:15.53 | cbreak | mostly foreign ones |
| 22:16.13 | Zasurus | cbreak: how do you pay then |
| 22:16.22 | cbreak | where? |
| 22:16.29 | Zasurus | where you don't use a cc? |
| 22:16.37 | cbreak | by giving the people money |
| 22:16.42 | cbreak | with my hand. |
| 22:16.44 | Zasurus | You mean cash |
| 22:16.53 | cbreak | is there any other kind? |
| 22:17.00 | Dagmar | Invoices take time. |
| 22:17.04 | Zasurus | Yer... card :-P |
| 22:17.11 | cbreak | cards contain secrets |
| 22:17.16 | cbreak | only an idiot would give it away |
| 22:17.39 | cbreak | Dagmar: yeah, but that's the vendor's problem, not mine :D |
| 22:18.03 | cbreak | besides, they will have to wait a few days for the money anyway, be it with a credit card or an invoice |
| 22:18.16 | Dagmar | CC transactions are pretty much instantaneous |
| 22:18.51 | Dagmar | There's some checking that goes on in nightly batches, but for the most part the deal is over and done with in a matter of seconds |
| 22:20.14 | cbreak | well, main reason I don't like using the credit card is the cost |
| 22:20.30 | Dagmar | THey pass that on to you there do they? |
| 22:20.34 | cbreak | it's much cheaper to just do invoices with e-banking |
| 22:20.46 | cbreak | recharging the credit card costs 5 units of currency |
| 22:20.54 | Dagmar | Weird. |
| 22:20.58 | Dagmar | I just have a debit card. |
| 22:21.10 | Dagmar | Might as well be an eCheck |
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| 22:21.41 | Dagmar | I do not _borrow_ money from an institution for any reason |
| 22:21.59 | cbreak | I do if it is cheaper for me. |
| 22:22.11 | Dagmar | It's never cheaper to use a loan. |
| 22:22.20 | cbreak | there are some funky tax reasons to get mortages |
| 22:22.43 | cbreak | because you save more in property tax than you spend on loan interest rates |
| 22:22.52 | Dagmar | It's always cheaper to pay up front |
| 22:23.17 | cbreak | not if you consider the follow up costs |
| 22:23.36 | Dagmar | Not if you can do math |
| 22:24.17 | Dagmar | WHoever owns the property is paying the taxes and if it's not you, it's the bank, and they didn't become a bank by not making you pay that as well |
| 22:24.20 | Zasurus | Depends on the interest rattings you get for your money in the bank and the rates to borrow. Some times intrest free can give you money (as long as you keep the money ready) ;-) |
| 22:24.36 | cbreak | you have a choice: spend x% of some amount of money on property taxes, or spend y% on interest rates. |
| 22:24.48 | cbreak | if y is smaller than x, get a mortage, and you save money. easy. |
| 22:24.53 | Dagmar | ...and I'm saying you will always lose trying to game that. |
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| 22:25.02 | Dagmar | They spend all day looking for new ways to get money from you. |
| 22:25.06 | Dagmar | All day, every day. |
| 22:25.27 | Dagmar | Y will never ever be smaller than X. |
| 22:25.31 | cbreak | it is here. |
| 22:25.41 | Dagmar | The bank isn't in the business of subsidizing other people. |
| 22:25.57 | cbreak | banks don't pay property tax like people |
| 22:26.09 | Dagmar | That would be the gov't handing them a nice loophole then |
| 22:26.14 | Wobin | perhaps cbreak does not live in the same country as Dagmar |
| 22:26.20 | Wobin | and perhaps stuff happens differently |
| 22:26.23 | cbreak | very likely... |
| 22:26.25 | Wobin | WHODA THUNK? |
| 22:26.27 | Dagmar | That could be handy |
| 22:26.32 | Dagmar | Here they just have to fuck people over |
| 22:26.53 | Wobin | well, ok, that's a universal =) |
| 22:27.12 | Wobin | it just differs in how the government handles their side of things |
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| 22:28.13 | Dagmar | Defintely. |
| 22:28.18 | Dagmar | Here the bank makes you pay property tax |
| 22:28.34 | cbreak | banks can demand taxes? |
| 22:28.51 | Dagmar | Tat's gotta be relatively unique to Switzerland |
| 22:29.42 | cbreak | we have a 35% tax on interests, but that's deduced from the normal taxes we have to pay each year |
| 22:30.01 | haste | MoonWitch: I temp. fixed Furbish |
| 22:30.07 | cbreak | banks take that tax directly. |
| 22:30.19 | cbreak | I think it's mainly to tax people who don't pay normal taxes :) |
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| 23:15.02 | Adys | What's the standard path for config files on windows? |
| 23:15.12 | Adys | or is it "use the fucking registry"? |
| 23:16.38 | Coren{de} | regular registry should work, don't know about the fucking registry... |
| 23:17.45 | Coren{de} | some older programs also use ini files in their own path, which is awesome but deprecated |
| 23:22.16 | cbreak | Adys: isn't there something like Library/Application Supprt on Mac OS X? |
| 23:22.37 | Adys | on linux im using ~/.config/client.conf |
| 23:22.39 | cbreak | I think it was ... %USERHOME%\AppData or something like that |
| 23:22.48 | Adys | ah yeah %appdata% |
| 23:22.55 | cbreak | don't remember the exact name |
| 23:23.16 | Dagmar | %AppData% is Windows, not Mac. |
| 23:23.26 | Adys | thats what he said |
| 23:23.29 | Adys | just not very clearly |
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| 23:39.26 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5693757/what-the-hell-does-the-canadian-army-want-with-25000-worth-of-video-games |
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| 23:41.05 | cbreak | Kraps: who ever wrote rating buster seems to know |
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| 23:43.20 | mitchnull | erm, aren't druids supposed to get flight form at 60? |
| 23:43.48 | mitchnull | or do I have to buy expert riding first? |
| 23:44.20 | foxlit | you kids today! |
| 23:44.37 | foxlit | iirc flight form is supposed to grant flying skill when trained. |
| 23:44.47 | foxlit | you need flying skill for swift flight form, however. |
| 23:44.57 | Xyphoid | according to wowhead you need expert riding as of 4.0.1 |
| 23:45.17 | mitchnull | damn |
| 23:45.19 | foxlit | Then wowhead is probably right. My information is back from 3.0.3 :) |
| 23:45.23 | foxlit | er |
| 23:45.24 | foxlit | 2.0.3 |
| 23:45.27 | Xyphoid | oh, and it's in the 4.0.3 known issues list |
| 23:45.36 | Xyphoid | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=27188060299&pageNo=1#1 |
| 23:48.42 | mitchnull | xyphoid: does that mean that it's a bug and I should get the expert riding when learning the skill, or ...? |
| 23:48.55 | Xyphoid | that's what it implies |
| 23:49.24 | foxlit | or that it's a display issue preventing you from seeing the skill before you learn appropriate prereqs. |
| 23:49.26 | mitchnull | damn |
| 23:49.31 | Xyphoid | whether you can be bothered waiting for it to be fixed |
| 23:49.35 | foxlit | It could be that it's supposed to be there or unavailable :) |
| 23:49.49 | foxlit | meh, flying is cheap. Go buy the skill :P |
| 23:52.23 | mitchnull | is there an api call to train a given spell? :) |
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