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| 00:19.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Congratulations KarlKFI! |
| 00:19.47 | adys_ | ~ping |
| 00:19.47 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:19.53 | cog|work | Shirik: i spawned in a tree and there was a sand-covered dungeon right under it! |
| 00:20.01 | Dajova | ~pang |
| 00:20.01 | Shirik | I've done `find -print0 | xargs -0 grep PICTURES` and can't find anything |
| 00:20.07 | Shirik | I can't find how to change this string |
| 00:20.12 | Shirik | any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 00:20.13 | Lunessa | Last I checked, it was a flat 3 fragments unless you're a dwarf. |
| 00:20.53 | Amarande | Did 4.0.3 introduce Archaeology to Live or do we have to wait for 12/7? |
| 00:21.04 | Amarande | (Or 12/9, for those of us who lucked out on Amazon and were able to lock in a preorder for the CE) |
| 00:21.05 | Wobin | we have to wait, I imagine |
| 00:21.12 | syrae | Lunessa: it was 2 frag at low skill, 3 at higher. I was just wondering if it was >3 at higher skill than mine. Early Arch definitely was a variable amount |
| 00:21.19 | Wobin | cause there's no reason -for- it until the caty |
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| 00:21.32 | syrae | Lunessa: but if you checked within the last month, I believe you. :) |
| 00:21.44 | Lunessa | I did it right before going to BlizzCon. |
| 00:22.01 | Lunessa | And it was 3 from 250 - 470. |
| 00:22.19 | Lunessa | So my assumption is that it is a flat 3. |
| 00:22.46 | syrae | Lunessa: sounds good to me! |
| 00:23.05 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out of here. |
| 00:23.07 | syrae | Also irritating, but that works |
| 00:23.11 | syrae | Lunessa: ciao |
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| 00:34.57 | dardack_home | sigh |
| 00:35.45 | Kraps | why is it downloading tools for so long? |
| 00:37.59 | syrae | it's actually installing a new rootkit |
| 00:38.08 | syrae | so they can scape for NE porn |
| 00:40.23 | kd3 | then after the toolkit, it looks like a few hundred megs of cinematics |
| 00:40.42 | kd3 | keeps finding surprises that the launcher keeps trying to download |
| 00:41.23 | Kraps | how long should it take? |
| 00:42.18 | syrae | Kraps: mine downloaded and installed tools in < 3 minutes, easy. Probably closer to 2 |
| 00:42.29 | kd3 | all told? 700 megs of data after the tools update |
| 00:42.41 | Kraps | this is at least a half hour |
| 00:42.47 | Kraps | just the tools |
| 00:42.58 | kd3 | kill the launcher and restart |
| 00:43.26 | syrae | yeaaah... unless you're on dialup, definitely restart that puppy |
| 00:45.01 | Predicate | Anyone else finding GitHub to be slow and/or intermittently down? |
| 00:46.47 | adys_ | Predicate, yeah its been having issues lately |
| 00:48.50 | Predicate | I know there was some sort of disaster recently, but the status page says it's fully operational now. Not sure if this is a connection problem at my end or what. |
| 00:49.26 | Dagmar | Bleh. Config frames in Pitbull 4 broke in this update |
| 00:50.22 | SeanK | are all addons loaded in the sample global namespace? |
| 00:50.59 | dardack_home | anyone know if you get saved to Uld10 when alg is started first or at the end of an hour? |
| 00:52.20 | Amarande | dardack, if you're trying to enter an Uld JUST for Algalon, that means that you'll get saved within a minute of entering anyway because you'll be joining an instance in progress |
| 00:52.34 | SeanK | correction, are all addons loaded in the same* global namespace? |
| 00:52.37 | Amarande | although it seems like saving to instances is somewhat buggy lately :| |
| 00:52.43 | Kraps | awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjCLQaTFXx0 |
| 00:52.48 | Amarande | the other night I did all of heroic Auchenai Crypts and didn't get saved at all |
| 00:53.08 | Amarande | and before that, I'd done some other BC heroics and didn't get saved till after the second boss on many of them |
| 00:53.18 | taleden | SeanK: yes, so you should not create any globals you don't have to, and any that you really need should be prefixed with your addon's folder/TOC name, to make sure it doesn't collide |
| 00:53.50 | dardack_home | amarande um that's not true anymoer you don't get saved unti la boss is killed |
| 00:53.55 | dardack_home | from what i understand anyways |
| 00:54.31 | SeanK | what about using the local directive? |
| 00:54.42 | taleden | that makes it local rather than global :) |
| 00:54.53 | SeanK | yay! |
| 00:54.54 | taleden | which might be local to the file, or to a function, or to an even smaller block, wherever it's used |
| 00:54.57 | Amarande | I'm still wondering why I never got saved to heroic Crypts that day, though. |
| 00:55.20 | Predicate | If you need to share information between files in your addon, without making it global, you can use the addon namespace table that is passed to each file. |
| 00:55.40 | Zasurus | kraps: that video is cool... |
| 00:56.01 | Zasurus | Amazing how good the end result it! |
| 00:56.01 | dardack_home | eh i'll test with a 3rd alt before zoning main |
| 00:56.18 | SeanK | What's it called? I know of _G but that is global. |
| 00:56.51 | taleden | each file in an addon acts like its code was called inside a function, whose arguments are the addon folder name, followed by an empty table |
| 00:57.07 | taleden | all files in a single addon get those same two args, so if you put "local name,tbl = ..." at the top of the file |
| 00:57.11 | Predicate | It's the second vararg (the first being the addon name). |
| 00:57.14 | taleden | you get those two args, including the table reference |
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| 00:58.05 | SeanK | cool, I'll add that to my notes. I never knew that |
| 00:58.19 | taleden | they added it in 3.something but it's still not documented very well that I've seen |
| 00:59.14 | Predicate | It's pretty new, and not many people seem to use it, but it can be really handy for addon-wide things. |
| 00:59.23 | Predicate | A common case for that is localized strings. |
| 01:00.06 | taleden | the workaround that most older addons use is to make a single global table named after the addon itself, and stick all that shared stuff on that global table |
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| 01:01.37 | Lunessa | Station |
| 01:02.31 | Kraps | now my launcher just closes |
| 01:03.30 | Zasurus | Sorry just jumped into this half way thought but I use the "old addons" method in my addons. Are you saying there is a better way? |
| 01:04.01 | Kraftman | gah i hate curse |
| 01:04.05 | Zasurus | :-) |
| 01:04.15 | taleden | not necessarily better, the global table method works fine as long as your table name doesn't collide, which it shouldn't if you're using the name of your addon |
| 01:04.38 | taleden | there's an argument for encapsulation, to hide the addon's internals in that addon-shared table rather than making them global, but in practice that's not really a problem |
| 01:04.58 | taleden | any addon that causes problems by screwing up other addon's global tables is just a bad addon, and will be discovered as such and uninstalled by angry userse |
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| 01:05.21 | Wobin | http://sea.battle.net/en/sc2freeplay/ |
| 01:05.35 | Predicate | taleden: That only works if the users care enough to find the real culprit, and don't just uninstall your addon because it "doesn't work right". |
| 01:05.42 | Zasurus | taleden: The "local name, tbl = ..." sounds interesting. I normally get the name from the toc file but if I wanted to spread my addon accross serveral files will the tbl be the same on them all? |
| 01:06.02 | taleden | yes, the table is the same for all files loaded from a single toc |
| 01:06.26 | taleden | Predicate: have you heard of such a problem actually arising? |
| 01:06.38 | Zasurus | Supose the trouble with that is other addon's can't link into it as they wont' be able to get your addon's tbl will they? |
| 01:07.00 | taleden | right, anything you *want* to make accessible to other addons, you have to provide globally somehow anyway |
| 01:07.04 | cbreak | no one stops you from putting it into a global... |
| 01:07.04 | Predicate | taleden: Not specifically, but I do know of addons that "mess with" the global tables of other addons, usually to "fix" or "improve" them... |
| 01:07.09 | Nechckn | There were a couple, where folks just picked a name, but, otherwise.. nothing. |
| 01:08.23 | Zasurus | I think I will stick with my "older addon" method ;-) I use my addon's toc file name anyway as my table name so unlikely to cause problems. I like to keep things accesable from outside addon's encase someone wants to hook into my code in some way :-) |
| 01:08.24 | Nechckn | Have seen nothing about speed or memory improvements either way, so if you have it one way, there is no real impetus to change. |
| 01:09.00 | Kraftman | Tuller: thanks for the comment :) |
| 01:09.11 | Zasurus | Nice to know about that though... I do use a few local functions etc that I could move to that method so I didn't need to add them to each and every file :-) |
| 01:09.27 | Tuller | Kraftman: on what? :P |
| 01:09.35 | Kraftman | "KeyBind" |
| 01:09.47 | Predicate | Personally I make heavy use of the local addon table because I'm a fan of encapsulation. I actually setfenv() to it so that I can't leak globals accidentally, which I find comforting. |
| 01:10.38 | adys_ | Tip of the day to linux users: If every pageload on chrome suddenly starts being superslow, check whether you've done an update recently. if so, restart the browser |
| 01:10.59 | adys_ | apparently, cache seeking is broken after updates, which cause the browser to wait like 60 seconds for invalidated cache |
| 01:12.08 | Zasurus | taleden: Is that info about addon local on wowpedia yet? |
| 01:12.21 | Zasurus | I wouldn't know where to look for it! |
| 01:12.41 | Predicate | Zasurus: I just googled around a bit and I can't seem to find any references to it except blue trackers showing the 3.3 API changes thread. |
| 01:12.50 | Predicate | Probably should be posted on the wiki somewhere. |
| 01:12.52 | taleden | that's where I found it too |
| 01:12.56 | taleden | it's terribly documented |
| 01:13.08 | taleden | I vaguely remembered the addition and had to find a google cache of the patch notes for the syntax |
| 01:13.13 | Zasurus | What did you search for? Or just post the link |
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| 01:13.28 | Zasurus | I will have a look at adding it to wowpedia |
| 01:13.44 | Predicate | Most of the Lua information on the wiki is pretty out of date, though, so I'm not surprised. |
| 01:14.05 | MoonWitch | I need a smoke and a whiskey |
| 01:14.10 | Zasurus | looks worried as that's his only source of lua knolage! *| |
| 01:14.16 | Zasurus | 8| |
| 01:14.20 | alestane | Neither of those sound like they should take too long, MoonWitch. |
| 01:14.30 | Kraftman | Tuller: "KeyBind"* |
| 01:14.38 | Predicate | For general Lua stuff, I recommend sticking with PIL and the Lua manual. |
| 01:14.43 | Zasurus | Although they could cause a burned face if your not carefull |
| 01:14.44 | Tuller | banana |
| 01:14.58 | taleden | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20437376853&sid=1 |
| 01:15.01 | taleden | under "ADDON LOADING" |
| 01:15.06 | Zasurus | Thanks |
| 01:15.21 | Zasurus | God blizz needs to get new web servers! |
| 01:15.22 | Amarande | Heya MoonWitch :) |
| 01:15.22 | taleden | dunno how long that'll stay up tho, it's just a forum post in the UI & Macros forum |
| 01:15.23 | Amarande | Crown, right? |
| 01:15.26 | Zasurus | They are always soooo slow! |
| 01:15.35 | MoonWitch | hey alestane and Amarande |
| 01:16.28 | Zasurus | before I ask in #wowpedia does anyone have surgestions as to where to put that info on wowpedia? |
| 01:16.44 | Predicate | Zasurus: There is/was a page about Lua variable scope, that might be a place to start. |
| 01:16.52 | Predicate | I was going to add it, but...I can't seem to log in. |
| 01:16.53 | Zasurus | K thanks |
| 01:17.24 | MoonWitch | getting that smoke and the booze now .. anyone need something from downstairs? |
| 01:17.26 | Zasurus | Well not point in us both doing it... so me or you? LOL |
| 01:17.42 | Zasurus | A drink of water would be nice moonwitch |
| 01:17.42 | Predicate | Go for it. I think I need to poke someone on IRC to get my account working. |
| 01:17.44 | MoonWitch | ps. I now understand tek's avatar better... you "push" commits for bacon! |
| 01:17.57 | MoonWitch | just water? |
| 01:18.04 | Zasurus | Yer thanks |
| 01:18.07 | MoonWitch | k |
| 01:18.41 | Dagmar | There's a couple of things you can _delete_ broken chunks with and they can then be generated again, but that's about it as far as I know |
| 01:18.43 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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| 01:23.45 | Tuller | Kraftman: try adding the pretty name of the binding if possible, ex BINDING_NAME_TURNLEFT == "Turn Left" |
| 01:24.04 | Zasurus | Predicate found [[Lua_variable_scoping]] which looks good |
| 01:24.37 | Predicate | Sounds about right. :) |
| 01:25.02 | Zasurus | Yer and I agree that does look like the best place |
| 01:26.32 | adys_ | stares at Adys |
| 01:26.38 | adys_ | don't you dare go offline on me now |
| 01:26.40 | adys_ | night |
| 01:27.15 | Zasurus | lol |
| 01:27.33 | Zasurus | wonders if Adys is mentally stable |
| 01:27.35 | Zasurus | ;-) |
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| 01:27.56 | alestane | MoonWitch: Tek's avatar is a reference to the pictograms that explain how to use hot air hand dryers in restrooms. |
| 01:29.05 | Lunessa | Only, in his world, they dispense perfectly cooked bacon. Wouldn't you like to live in that world? |
| 01:29.17 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw |
| 01:29.32 | Zasurus | I am sure that wouldn't be hyginic to get bacon in the loo... :P |
| 01:31.39 | cralor | I want to utilize Blizzard's CooldownFrame so that OmniCC functions, but do not want the alpha overlay that it creates, because this does not look good on some of my custom rune art choices. Is there a way to take out this 'alpha overlay'? |
| 01:31.56 | Jamash | overlay:Hide()? |
| 01:32.08 | cralor | then I wouldn't get a CD |
| 01:32.16 | taleden | set opacity to 0? |
| 01:32.26 | taleden | dunno if you can set opacity on those overlays |
| 01:32.41 | cralor | Would that not also affect the text's opacity? |
| 01:32.50 | Jamash | don't believe alpha is inherited |
| 01:33.04 | cralor | hmm... ok. worth a shot, thanks |
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| 01:34.08 | Amarande | Yay I see the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing at Amazon |
| 01:34.21 | Amarande | I got an email from them suggesting I preorder Cata |
| 01:34.27 | Amarande | I've already preordered Cata ... FROM AMAZON :| |
| 01:34.33 | Amarande | like, two months earlier |
| 01:34.34 | Zasurus | let me guess you already have |
| 01:34.36 | Zasurus | lol |
| 01:34.39 | Jamash | and if you hadn't, you couldn't, because it's sold out |
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| 01:34.51 | Jamash | well, the CE is anyway |
| 01:34.55 | Zasurus | Only the ce is |
| 01:35.01 | Zasurus | Damn i'm to slow today! |
| 01:35.06 | Amarande | yeah, I preordered mine in early September, soon after I got home from Dragon Con |
| 01:35.22 | Zasurus | I manged to order 6... :| I only need 3! |
| 01:35.52 | Amarande | Zasurus, you can always use it to help get people addicted |
| 01:35.52 | Zasurus | 3 from play.com and 3 from my local game (as play.com didn't confim the order till a few days later) |
| 01:36.05 | m^rk | hi sorry got distracted a bit ago.. any reason for SecureButton_GetUnit() to return nil on OnShow event for frame created by secure group header? Is there a better event/place to realize that a unitid has changed for a secure group button |
| 01:36.11 | Zasurus | I have been trying but nobody will bite! ;) |
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| 01:45.30 | Amarande | Zasurus: where are you trying to deal WoW? |
| 01:46.49 | Amarande | you need to be pushing it in the college sector of town or such. :) |
| 01:47.33 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/11/16/cataclysm-dev-chat-on-best-buy-forums-this-thursday/ |
| 01:51.33 | bluspacecow | best buy forums ? |
| 01:51.35 | bluspacecow | wtf ? |
| 01:51.48 | Amarande | aaand from the UltraEdit people I have an email telling me how I can get IDM Maintenance to lower my annual UltraEdit upgrade fee |
| 01:52.02 | Amarande | ... I already bought unlimited lifetime upgrades the last time I did a paid upgrade :S |
| 01:52.11 | Amarande | how do vendors fail to check their records before sending offers and news? |
| 01:52.26 | Dagmar | Whoa. DNS Made Easy may be doing some major facepalming |
| 01:52.45 | Jamash | well, if you double subscribe then you can not pay for upgrades twice! |
| 01:52.46 | Dagmar | I'm seeing their little thing coming up on other sites in the places where ads should show |
| 01:52.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: are they as full of root shell holes as BIND or something? :) |
| 01:53.03 | Amarande | man, it's a wonder the Internet managed to function back in those days |
| 01:53.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: By now you should know better than to say silly things like that to me |
| 01:53.12 | Amarande | given how wu-ftpd and BIND had more holes than Lorraine cheese |
| 01:53.29 | Dagmar | wu-ftpd, maybe, but thankfully it's obsolete. BIND, nowhere near that much. |
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| 01:53.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: I still remember the one time root was compromised on my machine while I ran Linux. BIND was the culprit :S |
| 01:54.02 | Dagmar | So, error of availability then |
| 01:54.08 | Dagmar | I always chrooted mine. |
| 01:54.24 | Amarande | yeah, back then I wasn't as security savvy as now |
| 01:54.33 | Dagmar | Chrooted and actually a hell of a lot more stuff that doesn't bear listing here |
| 01:55.22 | Dagmar | I take the principle of least privledge to new levels of OCD on production setups |
| 01:56.24 | Dagmar | 'spesh for something like BIND, which has a lot of bits and pieces to it, that becomes fairly important over time |
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| 01:59.21 | MoonWitch | alestane : I knew that, but I chose to remember github workings with it. For some obscure reason it's one of the things I keep forgetting. Eg last night I merged a branch, couldn't see the merge.. Until I saw teks avatar and realized I needed to PUSH the damn change too :P |
| 02:00.03 | MoonWitch | hands Zasurus a glass of chilled water. |
| 02:00.33 | Zasurus | Thanks... getting warm in here... winter my arse! ;-) |
| 02:01.17 | Zasurus | looks at the water wondering where the ice is... |
| 02:05.20 | bluspacecow | imma levelling a pally fight club style |
| 02:05.27 | bluspacecow | cause i sold her weapon off :( |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | fail |
| 02:07.40 | Xyphoid | exorcism spam ftw |
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| 02:08.19 | Xyphoid | (i found it really strange to be nuking down people with spells from a distance as a paladin) |
| 02:08.33 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:08.35 | bluspacecow | im level 5 |
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| 02:14.25 | MoonWitch | I love how sugar now gives me dizzy and the shakes |
| 02:18.48 | Jamash | sell your armor to buy a weapon |
| 02:19.08 | Predicate | That just means it's working, MoonWitch. |
| 02:19.21 | Predicate | If you don't get that, you haven't had enough. |
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| 02:21.49 | bluspacecow | i got it |
| 02:22.00 | bluspacecow | farming mobs that drop an item i can sell for 5 copper |
| 02:30.16 | kd3 | ah, the joys of tvtropes: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9382/smbj2c4fucked1.gif |
| 02:37.10 | bluspacecow | http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/greenlantern/ |
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| 02:39.34 | Zasurus | Crap... They have taken both the live AND beta's down :-( |
| 02:39.53 | Zasurus | I figured I could at least get my addon ready for cata! |
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| 02:40.42 | Predicate | Eh? I'm on live right now. |
| 02:40.53 | Zasurus | :O us or eu |
| 02:40.58 | Predicate | US |
| 02:41.13 | Zasurus | Humm... |
| 02:41.22 | Zasurus | runs off to get a trial account on us... |
| 02:43.06 | Wobin | bluspacecow: you might as well reroll the toon =P |
| 02:43.07 | Zasurus | oh I just remembered the new launcher has a hissy fit if you change to us from eu.. :-( Would need to do a complete download! |
| 02:43.16 | Wobin | it'll take you 10min to get back to level 5 |
| 02:43.37 | Wobin | and far too long to farm up enough cash to buy a weapon |
| 02:43.40 | Predicate | Zasurus: can't you just skip the launcher? |
| 02:43.54 | Zasurus | guess... |
| 02:47.03 | Zasurus | has the US been updated to 4.0.3 already then? |
| 02:47.31 | Predicate | Yep. |
| 02:51.21 | Shirik | Cmake is evil |
| 02:51.25 | Shirik | eeeeeeeviiiiillllllllll |
| 02:52.13 | bluspacecow | @wobin now i has my new weapon nows |
| 02:52.48 | Amarande | Zasurus: they haven't changed the world to Cata yet, that's not till 4.0.3a |
| 02:52.58 | Amarande | I'm trying to figure out if any of this patch's changes are going to affect tomorrow night's ICC10 |
| 02:53.06 | Zasurus | Yer got over that panic earlyer! |
| 02:53.26 | Wobin | Amarande: I think the changes have mostly been tooltip ones |
| 02:53.28 | Zasurus | LOL my addon isn't ready for 4.0.3a yet! Not even close! ;-) |
| 02:53.28 | Amarande | which reminds me, I'd better get sleep tonight because we're attempting my worst nightmare in the whole wide world (of Warcraft) tomorrow night. |
| 02:53.39 | Wobin | HLK? |
| 02:53.44 | Amarande | Wobin: did they fix Death Stike in one of the DK talent tree tooltips? :) |
| 02:53.52 | bluspacecow | ogres in thongs ? |
| 02:54.05 | Amarande | and guess what my worst nightmare in the whole wide world of Warcraft is? |
| 02:54.08 | bluspacecow | itty bitty thongs ? |
| 02:54.17 | Zasurus | amarande: go on? |
| 02:54.25 | bluspacecow | big fat ogres in itty bitty thongs ? |
| 02:54.46 | Xyphoid | where are the ogre women anyway |
| 02:54.48 | Zasurus | lol thats an image I am going to need counceling to get over! :O |
| 02:56.12 | Wobin | maybe they're like smurf |
| 02:56.13 | Wobin | s |
| 02:56.17 | Wobin | and only have one female |
| 02:56.22 | Predicate | Ogre women are kept indoors to avoid scaring small children. |
| 02:56.37 | Zasurus | Have you not seen shrek!? :p |
| 02:58.03 | Zasurus | Predicate: Can you do me a favor? As you have a working wow can you just make sure my code is sound before I save the wowpedia artical? http://www.thebzone.net/Files/MyAddon.zip |
| 03:00.46 | Predicate | Sure thing. :) |
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| 03:03.14 | Predicate | Yup. Ran MyAddon() and MyAddon2() and they printed the name and description respectively. |
| 03:03.22 | Predicate | (I assume that was the intended behavior.) |
| 03:03.33 | Zasurus | Perfect :-) |
| 03:04.32 | Zasurus | Thanks... saving wowpedia changes now! :D Now hopefully someone will be forced to tidy it up and turn it from dyslexic into english! ;-) |
| 03:04.57 | bluspacecow | nah you should of updated it in german |
| 03:05.19 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 03:05.34 | Predicate | German? Pathetic natural languages. Clearly Lojban is the correct choice. |
| 03:05.52 | Zasurus | lol yer... like I know another language! I bearly get away with english! ;-) |
| 03:08.00 | Shirik | Ok |
| 03:08.05 | Shirik | How the hell do I bind a key to the pet action bar |
| 03:09.24 | Predicate | That'd be the "Secondary Action Buttons" |
| 03:11.50 | Shirik | thanks |
| 03:13.21 | Zasurus | Right EU WoW is offline and it's 03:12 in the morning here so I'm off to bed! Night all. |
| 03:22.10 | Predicate | Whoops. If anyone was wondering, WoW can only handle about 500k frames before things start breaking. Incidentally, infinite loops are bad. |
| 03:24.43 | Amarande | oh, and fwiw, the worst nightmare for me in WoW is heroic Sindy. |
| 03:24.47 | Amarande | we're attempting her again tomorrow :S |
| 03:25.03 | Amarande | I hate Sindy in general, let alone heroic. Literally it's my least favorite battle in the entire instance. |
| 03:25.53 | Mirrormn | Sindragosa is the exact opposite of compelling boss encounter design |
| 03:26.13 | Amarande | Mirrormn: and even that wouldn't be so bad if it was an easy fight |
| 03:26.16 | sylvanaar | those ICC gunships are fun tonight |
| 03:26.19 | Amarande | however, it's not only annoying, but also hard. |
| 03:26.55 | Mirrormn | well |
| 03:27.01 | Mirrormn | I have nothing against it being hard |
| 03:27.35 | Mirrormn | I just think the mechanics which punish your normal gameplay style, and often make you just sit around doing nothing, are very poor design |
| 03:27.49 | Amarande | well, if it was hard but compelling, or annoying but easy, or easy and compelling, that would be fine, but annoying and hard is bad. |
| 03:28.12 | Amarande | Then there was the old Sindy weekly, which I still haven't been able to work out what the strategy was supposed to be apart from "dumb luck" |
| 03:28.28 | Amarande | Yeaaaaaah someone standing there for 30 seconds channelling during P2. |
| 03:28.29 | Mirrormn | you mean the one where you stack the buff on her? |
| 03:28.29 | Amarande | Right. |
| 03:28.47 | Mirrormn | there's nothing to do with luck |
| 03:28.51 | Amarande | I mean the one where you had to use the crystal on her for 30 seconds to be able to loot her life force afterwards |
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| 03:29.02 | Mirrormn | you just have to be willing to have a fair number of your dpsers not dps for a while |
| 03:29.25 | Amarande | We were trying to figure out how you have someone stand still for 30 seconds on Sindy P2, and couldn't figure it out |
| 03:29.26 | Amarande | let's see |
| 03:29.40 | Amarande | if you get selected for iceblock, you're interrupted. if you get pulled in for BC, you're interrupted. if you get ... unnngghhhhh. |
| 03:29.45 | Mirrormn | well, you don't have a single person do it |
| 03:29.59 | Mirrormn | and you don't have to be uninterrupted anyway |
| 03:30.07 | Mirrormn | the stacks last for like 10 seconds or something |
| 03:30.25 | Mirrormn | and once you get all the stacks you need, the resulting debuff lasts until the end of the fight |
| 03:30.27 | Amarande | yeah, but iceblock/BC were hard interrupts, anyway, that pretty much took too long to recover from. |
| 03:30.41 | Amarande | iceblock's a stun, and BC's a movement pull which is always also a hard interrupt |
| 03:30.54 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.04 | Dagmar | I should have written down when it happened earlier |
| 03:31.06 | Xyphoid | seemed like 3 |
| 03:31.13 | Mirrormn | so what if those are hard interrupts? like I said, you don't have to do the stacking uninterrupted |
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| 03:31.30 | Mirrormn | and you don't have to have a single person do it |
| 03:31.49 | Amarande | well, Blistering Cold gets EVERYONE, and I'm not sure you have time to reposition during and after it within ten seconds or so |
| 03:32.10 | Amarande | actually blistering cold is the worst spell she has on heroic, for instance |
| 03:32.18 | Mirrormn | well, a) yeah, you do have 10 seconds |
| 03:32.20 | Amarande | (mainly because it pulls everyone in to be kablooied by Unchained Magic heroic version) |
| 03:32.28 | Mirrormn | blistering cold itself is only 5s cast iirc |
| 03:32.33 | Xyphoid | did you know that blistering cold doesn't pull you in if you're inside her hitbox |
| 03:32.46 | Amarande | Xyphoid: no, I didn't. I regularly get pulled in, and I'm melee. |
| 03:32.51 | Mirrormn | so in that specific case, all you'd have to do is be fairly fast in re-applying the beam |
| 03:33.24 | Dagmar | Hopefully my guild leader and his wife will login later |
| 03:33.26 | Amarande | as for iceblocks, the first thing you have to do when someone gets iceblocked is DPS down the iceblock before the next one appears |
| 03:33.26 | Mirrormn | but more importantly, you can just do all the stacks in the in-between time and never be interrupted by a blistering cold anyway |
| 03:33.34 | Dagmar | These PUG groups are slow and easily distracted on the new pinatas |
| 03:33.40 | Dagmar | I only managed to get in four kills that time |
| 03:33.57 | Mirrormn | well, on heroic 10 man, that may be true |
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| 03:33.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: I had Gahz'rilla heal for about 600-800k HP last night. I'm NOT sure what was up with that one. |
| 03:34.03 | Mirrormn | I've never done the quest on heroic |
| 03:34.05 | Xyphoid | stop attacking when it iceblocks |
| 03:34.08 | Amarande | Mirror: even on normal 10 man |
| 03:34.11 | Xyphoid | it heals it |
| 03:34.17 | Dagmar | Ohhh |
| 03:34.18 | Xyphoid | alternatively interrupt the iceblock cast |
| 03:34.31 | Dagmar | We've just been pounding the ratstink out of him |
| 03:34.31 | Mirrormn | on normal mode, any group I've been in required us to intentionally not attack the iceblock so tanks had enough time to use it |
| 03:34.37 | Dagmar | He doesn't get a chance to do much |
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| 03:35.22 | Dagmar | I've been lucky in that at least the tank and one other person were looking to interrupt casts |
| 03:36.03 | Xyphoid | how does the cyclone guy work, his stun thing seemed to do wildly variable damage |
| 03:36.14 | Dagmar | I think it's jsut to annoy people mainly |
| 03:36.22 | Wobin | Amarande: he does iceblock and heal |
| 03:36.26 | Dagmar | That whirlwind that roams around likes me almost as much as Wrynn does |
| 03:36.28 | Xyphoid | for some reason people seemed to sometimes take 20k hits from it |
| 03:36.29 | Wobin | gazh |
| 03:36.39 | Dagmar | I have NO idea why Wrynn follows me around like a freaking puppy |
| 03:36.42 | Wobin | I've tried interrupting gazh |
| 03:36.46 | Wobin | but it never worked =( |
| 03:36.58 | Wobin | Dagmar: cause you were the first one to move past him |
| 03:37.10 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:37.15 | Dagmar | That would explain it. |
| 03:37.27 | Dagmar | I never just stand there at the spawn point like a pillock. |
| 03:38.46 | Amarande | Mirror: most of the time on normal we always had to focus on the iceblocks as soon as they popped so that we got them down before the next one appeared |
| 03:38.52 | Amarande | at least at first, before we started getting really geared |
| 03:39.15 | Amarande | I actually have to AVOID dpsing iceblocks a lot of the time ... like in air phase I actually don't even start hitting the iceblock I'm near until pretty much the fourth breath |
| 03:39.40 | Amarande | my gear is far too good, and I also have both the ashen verdict exalted ring and WFS, so I can easily have my DPS spike unexpectedly and unwantedly |
| 03:40.11 | Amarande | there's also the fact that frost beacon seems to be in love with our healers a lot of the time |
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| 03:40.39 | Amarande | and when you 2-heal (as we usually do because we're trying to stick with what we'll need for heroic), an iceblocked healer MUST GET OUT OF THERE |
| 03:41.22 | Amarande | also I've noticed sindy sometimes picks tanks for iceblock now, which she didn't do before 4.0 |
| 03:41.34 | Amarande | I'm not sure what's with that, but also iceblocked tank means you have to get that thing down stat |
| 03:42.14 | Amarande | I wonder if her "don't pick a tank" AI depended on something like defense rating or such that doesn't exist anymore |
| 03:42.44 | Motig | well seeing as Druids never had defense in that fight to begin with |
| 03:42.49 | Motig | it probably checked for hp or talents |
| 03:42.58 | Sintacks | qq my tooltip addon doesn't work anymore. |
| 03:43.07 | Sintacks | well. does. but.. uses a ton of cpu time |
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| 03:44.21 | Amarande | Motig: we thought it was an HP check until we tried to game it. |
| 03:44.31 | Motig | you tested it out? |
| 03:44.36 | Amarande | It was actually quite widely thought that HP over 40k would keep you from being picked |
| 03:44.54 | Amarande | but then at one point for some strategic reason we had a DK in the group equip a PvP piece or two to push him over 40k and he still got picked |
| 03:45.02 | Amarande | *it is not* HP |
| 03:45.04 | Motig | it's probably just talents then |
| 03:45.18 | Amarande | might be, possibly ones removed from the game entirely in 4.0 |
| 03:45.49 | Amarande | or it could have looked for Crit reduction maybe, rather than defense? that would explain both druids and plate tanks not being picked |
| 03:46.08 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if it was our druid or pally tank who got picked last time |
| 03:46.12 | Xyphoid | then kitties wouldn't get picked either |
| 03:46.32 | Xyphoid | oh wait |
| 03:47.05 | Motig | perhaps there's an internal log and it just looks at damage taken |
| 03:47.07 | Motig | I odn't know |
| 03:47.14 | Motig | just throwing something out here :p |
| 03:47.25 | Motig | although that wouldn't make sense at all |
| 03:47.31 | Motig | no that's dumb |
| 03:47.32 | Motig | scrap that |
| 03:47.38 | Xyphoid | the thing is that in p1 we never had our offtank picked |
| 03:47.44 | Xyphoid | even though he took zero damage |
| 03:49.18 | Amarande | could be a search for X number of points in the tanking talent tree rather than specific talents |
| 03:49.34 | Amarande | which would explain it also, since there are no longer that many points IN a given talent tree |
| 03:49.51 | Amarande | otoh, then DKs should never be picked either, because pre 4.0 *all* of the DK trees were tankable |
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| 04:11.17 | Mirrormn | dk "tanks", pre-4.0, were generally identified by having points in 1 or more of the first tier 5-point tanking talents |
| 04:11.35 | Mirrormn | that's how LibTalentQuery did it, anyway |
| 04:11.39 | frontendloader | we get hiccups |
| 04:11.46 | frontendloader | main screen turn on |
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| 04:12.37 | bluspacecow | hey ck |
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| 04:28.42 | Computerpunk | is curse.com's dns f'ed? |
| 04:29.31 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 04:29.39 | Dagmar | DNS MAde Easy seems to have screwed up a lot of stuff today |
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| 05:01.32 | Kraps | yay game patched |
| 05:02.00 | Kraps | what changed in the eula/tou? |
| 05:04.21 | Kraps | http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7792979 |
| 05:05.30 | Mirrormn | that's so stupid -.- |
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| 05:30.35 | Dajova | meh, i hate the fact that you have to disable KIS everytime a new patch is out -.- |
| 05:30.44 | Dajova | or else it wont update |
| 05:34.03 | NeoTron | seems like combo ground/flying mounts now transition between the two automatically |
| 05:37.02 | durcyn | yeah, you can already test that with the dalarn -> shattrath portal |
| 05:37.06 | durcyn | +a |
| 05:37.27 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.59 | Kraps | he has the HH mount |
| 05:38.44 | durcyn | buy a celestial steed, then hate yourself forever =P |
| 05:40.19 | Thunder_Child | or let us hate you forever |
| 05:45.23 | Kraps | no thanks |
| 05:45.34 | Kraps | i hate myself enough |
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| 05:51.40 | ccox | Some days, I really expect to come home from work and find NIck Fury waiting in my living room. |
| 05:53.44 | NeoTron | durcyn: or just run out to the landing platform in dalaran |
| 05:53.47 | NeoTron | and back in |
| 05:53.56 | NeoTron | as long as you're on the ground you don't get kicked off |
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| 06:10.37 | durcyn | NeoTron: eh, it was acting flaky for me, i'd land and still get no-fly zone |
| 06:11.48 | Kraps | maybe it only work no-fly ---> fly |
| 06:12.25 | durcyn | it's supposed to work both ways around, but dalaran's a special case |
| 06:12.38 | durcyn | stupid RP nonsense |
| 06:12.41 | nebula169 | guildy was flying in on his rocket and it went to ground without dismounting them in dalaran |
| 06:12.55 | Kraps | already honored with netherwing woooooo |
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| 06:13.30 | NeoTron | Kraps: nope fly -> no fly worked for me |
| 06:13.37 | NeoTron | in dalaran |
| 06:18.02 | Trela | WOOOOOOO. |
| 06:19.05 | Trela | NeoTron: Have been since 4.x came out and before. |
| 06:19.42 | pnorman | mounts that can be both air or land mounts are special |
| 06:27.04 | Jamash | is the ptr still up? |
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| 06:30.51 | Dajova | u mean beta? |
| 06:43.04 | Fisker | i'm awesome Jamash |
| 06:44.33 | Jamash | I mean ptr and yes it's up |
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| 06:45.07 | Jamash | old Fisker |
| 06:46.00 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/132748/world-of-warcraft%E2%80%99s-6th-anniversary |
| 06:46.34 | Kraps | once guy a killed i Fisker |
| 06:47.59 | Fisker | i once killed a kraps |
| 06:48.16 | Kraps | unpossible |
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| 06:48.46 | Fisker | LOL Kraps |
| 06:48.47 | Fisker | LOL |
| 06:48.50 | Fisker | a feat of strength |
| 06:48.50 | Fisker | LOL |
| 06:48.55 | Fisker | Kraps LOL |
| 06:49.28 | Fisker | it's totally "We made you a cookie but we ated it :(" |
| 06:50.14 | Fisker | geddit Kraps ? |
| 06:50.53 | Fisker | Kraps doesn't geddit :( |
| 06:50.58 | Kraps | lol my priest has the 4th anniversary FoS but not the 5th :/ |
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| 06:51.50 | Fisker | you're not awesome enough Kraps |
| 06:53.51 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/app/31410/ |
| 06:54.57 | ZorbaBeta | argh why do they keep breaking mods |
| 06:55.00 | ZorbaBeta | :( |
| 06:55.10 | Jamash | because they hate ou |
| 06:55.11 | Jamash | you |
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| 06:57.04 | tekkub | mine work fine |
| 06:57.06 | tekkub | user error |
| 06:57.20 | Jamash | you know what would be funny? if cata pre-order customers could buy old weather flying but nobody else between 4.0.3a and cata release |
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| 07:04.48 | Shirik | Anyone really, really bored? |
| 07:05.05 | airtonix | no i won't test out your new dildo |
| 07:05.09 | Shirik | :( |
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| 07:05.45 | bluspacecow | i am shirik |
| 07:05.50 | bluspacecow | what can i dos for you |
| 07:05.58 | airtonix | goats |
| 07:06.22 | Shirik | I'm working on an open source project, xbmc, not sure if you have heard of it |
| 07:06.34 | bluspacecow | nah i haven't ... continue |
| 07:06.42 | Shirik | I'm having trouble finding something in it, was wondering if you could take a second look to see if you can find it |
| 07:06.46 | Shirik | it's just a bunch of XML files |
| 07:06.50 | Shirik | it should be so simple, too |
| 07:07.04 | Shirik | I just can't for the life of me figure out where the hell this is |
| 07:07.31 | bluspacecow | xml files aren't really my speciality |
| 07:07.32 | Dagmar | Okay... WTF |
| 07:07.42 | Dagmar | The event has happened in both three and two hour intervals now |
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| 07:09.09 | bluspacecow | what were you looking for ? |
| 07:09.16 | Shirik | The word "PICTURES" |
| 07:09.23 | Shirik | you would think it would be so simple |
| 07:09.24 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 07:09.39 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:09.42 | airtonix | l2sed |
| 07:09.42 | Shirik | I just want to change a button that says "PICTURES" to something else |
| 07:09.53 | bluspacecow | you dont have a text editor that allows you to search multiple files ? |
| 07:09.56 | Fisker | i just wanna Shirik |
| 07:09.56 | nicoli_s | ive missed doing development for fun |
| 07:10.00 | Shirik | I have grep |
| 07:10.02 | airtonix | grep -Rin PICTURES ./path/to/search |
| 07:10.08 | Shirik | wtf is -Rin |
| 07:10.14 | airtonix | Recursive |
| 07:10.15 | airtonix | In |
| 07:10.21 | airtonix | Line Numbers |
| 07:10.30 | Shirik | in? |
| 07:10.34 | airtonix | this path |
| 07:10.35 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:10.37 | Fisker | you wanna me? |
| 07:11.00 | Dagmar | -i is case-insensitive |
| 07:11.05 | Dagmar | You insensitive bastard! |
| 07:11.18 | airtonix | Facist! |
| 07:11.19 | Shirik | $ grep -Rn PICTURES ./ |
| 07:11.20 | Shirik | grep: invalid option -- R |
| 07:11.28 | Dagmar | oO |
| 07:11.48 | airtonix | works for me |
| 07:11.53 | bluspacecow | @shirik on OS X ? try textwrangler |
| 07:11.58 | Shirik | I'm on Windows |
| 07:12.02 | airtonix | lawl |
| 07:12.03 | Dagmar | What the hell crazy mode grep do you use that doesn't support -R for recursion? |
| 07:12.04 | Shirik | I'll switch to linux |
| 07:12.11 | bluspacecow | odd |
| 07:12.14 | bluspacecow | oh windows |
| 07:12.25 | bluspacecow | does man grep return a -r option ? |
| 07:12.37 | Shirik | my install of unix tools has no man page :) |
| 07:12.43 | Dagmar | I think it mainly complains about the lack of man.exe |
| 07:12.44 | airtonix | if its not gnu maybe it uses r instead of R or maybe it wants the params after all th other stuff |
| 07:12.56 | bluspacecow | fail |
| 07:13.02 | airtonix | grep PICTURES ./path -Rin |
| 07:13.02 | Dagmar | If it ain'tn POSIX, then it just aintn' raht |
| 07:13.05 | Shirik | $ man grep |
| 07:13.05 | Shirik | sh.exe": man: command not found |
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| 07:13.13 | Shirik | I especially like the " at the end |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | which shows things are just more fucked up |
| 07:13.26 | airtonix | yay for windows |
| 07:13.56 | Shirik | oop |
| 07:13.58 | Shirik | -r, --recursive equivalent to --directories=recurse. |
| 07:14.08 | Fisker | yay Shirik |
| 07:14.16 | airtonix | dildos Fisker |
| 07:14.27 | airtonix | BE QUIET YOU PEASANT! |
| 07:14.29 | Shirik | awesome. |
| 07:14.33 | Shirik | `grep -rn PICTURES ./` returned nothing |
| 07:14.38 | Shirik | this is impossible |
| 07:14.49 | airtonix | im not a fan of xbmc |
| 07:14.55 | airtonix | i much prefer to use elisa |
| 07:15.01 | airtonix | but thats just me |
| 07:15.09 | Shirik | oh but we're doing something epic with it |
| 07:15.14 | airtonix | im sure you are |
| 07:15.16 | Shirik | we're putting it in a car :P |
| 07:15.24 | Shirik | with hybrid control status and all |
| 07:15.24 | airtonix | but dildo flavoured bannanas don't count |
| 07:15.35 | Shirik | EXCEPT WE DON'T NEED ANY DAMN PICTURES |
| 07:15.35 | airtonix | wait |
| 07:15.43 | Fisker | imprisoned for 10000 years airtonix |
| 07:15.48 | airtonix | you will for the lcd number plates |
| 07:16.05 | Shirik | ._. |
| 07:16.05 | airtonix | oled number plates i mean |
| 07:16.11 | airtonix | :) |
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| 07:16.16 | Fisker | i'm getting plasma number plates |
| 07:16.55 | airtonix | i just bought a few m350 cases and an asus510NM with a picoPSU |
| 07:16.59 | airtonix | yay |
| 07:17.26 | Fisker | yawn |
| 07:17.40 | Fisker | my plasma number plate is vastly superior |
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| 07:17.47 | airtonix | nou |
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| 07:20.07 | Shirik | OMFG |
| 07:20.09 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 07:20.13 | Shirik | You know what makes it say "pictures"? |
| 07:20.22 | Shirik | <label>1</label> |
| 07:20.37 | Shirik | I only know this because changing it to 2 makes it say "music" |
| 07:20.41 | Shirik | now how the fuck I change that I have no idea |
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| 07:21.49 | airtonix | wtf is the point of even having it setup like that |
| 07:22.07 | airtonix | jam today |
| 07:22.49 | Shirik | ooooo |
| 07:22.55 | Shirik | but changing it to <label>Radio</label> works perfectly |
| 07:23.06 | Shirik | I still have no idea how 1 becomes pictures but I don't care anymore |
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| 07:35.04 | Aurorus | So what's on the cards? |
| 07:35.22 | airtonix | your soul |
| 07:35.59 | Aurorus | My soul...yummy |
| 07:36.10 | airtonix | and shiriks autophalica |
| 07:36.15 | Shirik | my what? |
| 07:36.37 | airtonix | i hear its made of ivory |
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| 07:43.37 | Jamash | I just saw a mountain giant named "Balboa" -_- |
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| 07:54.34 | zenzio | Jamash: I take it it was a rocky mountain giant? |
| 07:56.01 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 07:56.07 | zenzio | heya |
| 08:00.55 | angayelle | last i dreamed that my kids were modules of me i could turn on and off, guess i'm coding too much lately |
| 08:01.04 | cogwheel | god that would be sweet |
| 08:01.09 | cogwheel | i might actually want kids then... |
| 08:01.11 | angayelle | ooooh yes |
| 08:01.47 | airtonix | and partners! |
| 08:02.02 | cogwheel | also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJQRdKA620o |
| 08:02.24 | cogwheel | (i started a sc2 campaign walkthrough) |
| 08:03.36 | airtonix | tldr |
| 08:06.47 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:06.51 | angayelle | i'm so behind with the campaign, couldn't get a proper time quiet to finish it |
| 08:07.28 | cogwheel | trouts Fisker around a bit with a large slap |
| 08:09.46 | Fisker | i hate people cogwheel |
| 08:09.54 | cogwheel | i no rite? |
| 08:10.01 | cogwheel | misanthropizes |
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| 08:31.11 | Nobgul | >_< |
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| 08:39.35 | angayelle | i've looked up the api available to debug my addon and saw nothing really useful to trace my memomy leak |
| 08:42.00 | angayelle | awww maintenance on eu realms, i forgot |
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| 08:50.38 | Nobgul | angayelle: is it bad>? |
| 08:51.06 | angayelle | considering that for once i have free time at work, yes pretty bad |
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| 08:52.52 | angayelle | i'm using : function JTFSingleFrameResize(jtfresizeframe); _G[jtfresizeframe.."Frame"]:SetWidth(jtfwidth) end |
| 08:53.44 | angayelle | so i can concatenate the jtfresizeframe arg with "Frame" and have a working SetWidth function |
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| 08:54.23 | angayelle | it works but i'm puzzled why i should use the _G |
| 08:56.19 | angayelle | i understand that if i don't specify the _G it will search for the jtfresizeframe arg in local instead of global |
| 08:56.32 | angayelle | or i'm wrong ? |
| 08:56.41 | Elkano | you're wrong |
| 08:56.45 | Nobgul | i think the g holds all the globals now |
| 08:56.57 | Nobgul | Quite honestly most my addons dont use globals lol |
| 08:57.22 | Elkano | you need _G since you try to access something that is the result of a string concatination |
| 08:57.34 | Nobgul | Buff bars 0_o |
| 08:57.37 | Nobgul | sup Elkano |
| 08:57.41 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 08:57.52 | LebQzz | 1.1gb patch nice |
| 08:58.20 | Nobgul | I can't remember what i had for dinner last night but i can remember almost every addon author and the addon they made |
| 08:58.39 | angayelle | + 1 Nobgul, need buff bar update plox, elkano |
| 08:58.43 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:59.01 | Elkano | angayelle, they are still working though :( |
| 08:59.23 | Nobgul | I think that is the only part of my ui that i haven't gotten into is my buff's. i use Elkano's addon. |
| 08:59.23 | angayelle | but bugging me at loading and then sometimes even more |
| 08:59.48 | Napoleone | i must say elkano is the shiz |
| 08:59.52 | angayelle | at some random point i star getting lua errors non stop |
| 09:00.10 | Napoleone | have you guys noticed on how blizz fucked up on their own design.. make a ticket with blizz buffs.. |
| 09:00.17 | Napoleone | the ticket is OVER the buffs |
| 09:00.17 | Nobgul | lol |
| 09:00.33 | angayelle | i believe this is fixed in 4.0.3 napoleone |
| 09:00.39 | Napoleone | lol |
| 09:00.40 | Elkano | angayelle, just make sure you're using the 4.x alphas/betas and not the 3.x release |
| 09:00.44 | angayelle | or i saw something along theses lines |
| 09:00.54 | angayelle | gonna check that elk |
| 09:01.40 | Elkano | also I'm currently messing around with SecureAuraHeader to get buff cancel functionality working in combat again... but that will be for EBB3 |
| 09:02.04 | Nobgul | angayelle, i had to get my copy from wowace |
| 09:02.06 | airtonix | i don't see a problem |
| 09:02.17 | Nobgul | the one on the site is not updated i don't think |
| 09:02.20 | airtonix | with your game |
| 09:02.23 | airtonix | being interupted |
| 09:02.29 | airtonix | by your problem request ticket |
| 09:02.43 | airtonix | incentive not to complain :) |
| 09:02.53 | batrick | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tortheldrin&n=Krankadon |
| 09:02.54 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 09:02.56 | airtonix | jam tommorrow |
| 09:02.58 | batrick | that's some rediculous gear |
| 09:03.17 | Elkano | well, using CurseClient you can set it to get the latest alpha for EBB; betas also automaticaly sync to curse from wowace; releases I upload to wowi, too |
| 09:03.18 | Nobgul | Makes you wanna cry doesn't it |
| 09:03.36 | batrick | he has 50% base crit chance |
| 09:03.55 | Nobgul | batrick: you don't need uber gear to have that much base crit though |
| 09:04.03 | batrick | o ya? |
| 09:04.15 | Nobgul | Elkano: I manually update my addons bad experience with updaters >_< |
| 09:04.39 | Nobgul | batrick: Im at 45% crit i think |
| 09:04.41 | Elkano | in that case go for wowace directly for my addons ^^ |
| 09:04.49 | Nobgul | Elkano: I do =P |
| 09:05.16 | batrick | my character only has 35 :( |
| 09:05.23 | Elkano | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/Elkano/addons/ |
| 09:05.23 | batrick | but i'm in pvp gear |
| 09:05.36 | Nobgul | I like searching through the addons lists every few months. You find some good ones |
| 09:05.49 | Nobgul | Elkano: Have it bookmarked =P |
| 09:06.23 | Nobgul | What they need to do is add the rss to individual addon author's searches |
| 09:08.40 | Nobgul | Anyway. Ima try to catch a hour of sleep before i gotta finish the rest of my work before my boss kills me in the morning |
| 09:09.21 | batrick | dont forget to bring a towel |
| 09:09.41 | Napoleone | towels are dead important |
| 09:10.38 | Napoleone | anywhere there is a site with the blue JP gear ? |
| 09:14.47 | Napoleone | Elkano you checked for the new patch yet? |
| 09:17.22 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 09:18.20 | Dagmar | Okay. I now definitely love the hell out of reforging. |
| 09:18.47 | Napoleone | reforging is awesome ;p |
| 09:18.58 | Napoleone | Elkano can i have a word in private |
| 09:19.08 | Dagmar | I just threw out a 128 hit rating trinket in favor of something with actual casting power on it. |
| 09:19.20 | Napoleone | booom ;P |
| 09:19.32 | Elkano | well, there are queries ;) |
| 09:19.41 | Dagmar | Spent a few minutes trading out spirit and a tiny bit of crit to get back to 0.18% over cap |
| 09:20.16 | Dagmar | I'm rather glad of the simplified stats now, too |
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| 09:20.43 | Dagmar | Juggling three level 80 toons in raiding gear, suddenly getting some easy 251's... the math would break me |
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| 09:22.50 | Dagmar | Being able to just eyeball it and then knock off the rough edges by reforging... WIN |
| 09:26.38 | Napoleone | where can i find the new patchnotes since blizzard is a slowass to actually show em |
| 09:26.48 | Napoleone | or was that 1.1g of mystery info lol |
| 09:27.17 | Dagmar | You don't want to know. |
| 09:28.02 | Napoleone | Paid faction and race changes will be available immediately once Cataclysm is released |
| 09:28.17 | Dagmar | No racial first achievements tho |
| 09:28.58 | Napoleone | Tol Barad will not have Tenacity buffs ..... YAY finally a battle i want to attend |
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| 09:33.42 | Napoleone | aah |
| 09:33.46 | Napoleone | big nerfing |
| 09:34.54 | Napoleone | priests go home hah! |
| 09:43.30 | Napoleone | seen the hammer of wrath update? |
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| 09:52.57 | Wobin | Napoleone: I believe it's just a tooltip update to already applied nerfs |
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| 09:55.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218199#post218199 << shoesforking? |
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| 09:58.38 | Shirik | foxlit, brilliant |
| 09:59.57 | Wobin | ? |
| 10:00.11 | Corrodias2 | invalid thread :< |
| 10:01.09 | Shirik | "This message has been deleted by Shirik. Reason: Spam" |
| 10:01.26 | jnwhiteh | aww |
| 10:01.30 | jnwhiteh | i deleted it too =/ |
| 10:01.34 | Shirik | actually you did |
| 10:01.36 | jnwhiteh | i banned him cuz i'm quicker |
| 10:01.37 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:01.40 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1802871 |
| 10:01.42 | Shirik | it was 50/50 |
| 10:01.43 | Shirik | what |
| 10:01.43 | Shirik | no |
| 10:01.48 | Shirik | you suck |
| 10:01.52 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:01.57 | jnwhiteh | ban before delete imo |
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| 10:02.11 | Shirik | but the ban UI sucks |
| 10:02.17 | jnwhiteh | trut |
| 10:05.14 | airtonix | lol vbulletin |
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| 10:07.09 | airtonix | lvl2gnomemage : lf1mlvl80 free stocks run |
| 10:19.05 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 10:19.11 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 10:19.14 | Fisker | i'm bored |
| 10:19.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 10:19.18 | Fisker | AT WORK |
| 10:20.43 | Fisker | what do you think they'll be doing with that there market maintanence? |
| 10:21.44 | jnwhiteh | not sure, actually |
| 10:23.05 | mitch0 | so, what's this free 251 epics? |
| 10:25.09 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 10:25.15 | airtonix | inb4 qq |
| 10:26.26 | foxlit | meh, free 300 greens soon |
| 10:26.31 | Fisker | it's the elemental lords jnwhiteh |
| 10:26.33 | Fisker | and ^^ |
| 10:26.34 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: something to do with the invasion thing |
| 10:26.40 | mitch0 | s/invasion/current fad/ |
| 10:30.01 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 10:30.06 | jnwhiteh | oh shit |
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| 10:30.12 | jnwhiteh | i need to finish the nagrand portion of teh qestline. |
| 10:30.40 | jnwhiteh | hope ED comes up |
| 10:30.41 | jnwhiteh | he |
| 10:31.17 | mitch0 | nagrand? |
| 10:31.25 | jnwhiteh | yea |
| 10:31.27 | airtonix | that place everyone thinks isn't worth xp |
| 10:31.30 | mitch0 | I'm stuck at some policemaning in SW |
| 10:31.31 | airtonix | and fails |
| 10:31.56 | mitch0 | maybe I should look up the questline... |
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| 10:33.27 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_of_pre-Cataclysm_events |
| 10:33.44 | foxlit | winces. |
| 10:33.51 | jnwhiteh | rm |
| 10:33.53 | jnwhiteh | tat doesn't elp |
| 10:33.56 | jnwhiteh | and i did searc for wowpedia |
| 10:33.59 | jnwhiteh | not sure how i ended up on wowwiki |
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| 10:38.03 | Shirik | do account names still exist? |
| 10:38.19 | Shirik | like if someone signed up for an account now |
| 10:38.28 | Shirik | they still get an account name even though it's mostly useless? |
| 10:38.34 | tlund | yeah, but they are randomized |
| 10:38.50 | Shirik | ah |
| 10:38.52 | tlund | as in - the directory name under the account dir |
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| 10:39.16 | tlund | very irritating when you want to access saved variables files manually :) |
| 10:39.31 | airtonix | or is it ? |
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| 10:50.00 | angayelle | !api RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 10:50.00 | lua_bot | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE: Fires when the raid roster changes (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE) |
| 10:50.02 | Jamash | So Doctor Dinosaur is in Azshara. |
| 10:50.33 | angayelle | roh clicking on link doesn't tell my safari to go on url |
| 10:50.53 | angayelle | fix please ! |
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| 10:52.07 | Jamash | what client are you using? |
| 10:52.15 | jnwhiteh | ah. server restart |
| 10:52.23 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: u? |
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| 10:53.37 | angayelle | conversation on mac os x |
| 10:54.16 | jnwhiteh | angayelle: I have no idea wat you'r talking about. |
| 10:54.16 | jnwhiteh | tis keyboard sucks! |
| 10:54.40 | angayelle | http://homepage.mac.com/philrobin/conversation/ |
| 10:54.58 | jnwhiteh | okay.. |
| 10:55.02 | jnwhiteh | we can't fix it, fyi =) |
| 10:55.13 | angayelle | roh |
| 10:55.30 | airtonix | lol |
| 10:55.35 | airtonix | Fisker, i just lol'd |
| 10:55.38 | airtonix | LOL |
| 10:55.46 | airtonix | brb playing steam |
| 10:56.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: Make the servers come up =/ |
| 10:56.34 | foxlit_ | "The default UI Scale has been altered so it will be set at a 1:1 pixel/texel ratio. This will result in a smaller UI appearance for higher resolution monitors." |
| 10:57.11 | jnwhiteh | oldnews |
| 10:57.14 | jnwhiteh | is old |
| 10:57.30 | angayelle | can't login wow atm but i believe RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fire when a raid member relog after a dc, right ? |
| 10:57.36 | foxlit_ | patch. not. live. yet. |
| 10:57.46 | foxlit_ | let me know when you can log in :P |
| 10:58.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm logged in |
| 10:58.17 | jnwhiteh | just not in a realm =) |
| 10:58.21 | jnwhiteh | i got kicked off =( |
| 10:59.00 | airtonix | proly for a good reason |
| 10:59.02 | Kalroth | owned |
| 10:59.09 | jnwhiteh | fisker'd |
| 10:59.22 | Jamash | I thought euronerds got wow patches before us |
| 10:59.31 | airtonix | amerifag |
| 10:59.31 | jnwhiteh | no, te day after |
| 10:59.42 | Jamash | BUT IT'S LATER WHERE YOU ARE |
| 11:00.12 | jnwhiteh | tat doesn't even approximate making sense :P |
| 11:00.26 | Jamash | europe is in the future |
| 11:00.35 | airtonix | no |
| 11:00.38 | airtonix | you are in the past |
| 11:00.46 | Jamash | that is the same! |
| 11:00.48 | airtonix | suck it |
| 11:00.50 | jnwhiteh | the future actually |
| 11:00.58 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 11:00.59 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:00.59 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 11:01.05 | airtonix | kek |
| 11:01.14 | Jamash | so, being in THE FUTURE you should have the patch already |
| 11:01.15 | Jamash | duh |
| 11:01.20 | airtonix | time for jnaps ? |
| 11:01.21 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2010/11/16/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-police-fail-2/ - impressive |
| 11:02.09 | Jamash | so, the good news is he can't shoot straight, the bad news is he also can't see straight |
| 11:02.47 | airtonix | Few |
| 11:02.50 | airtonix | Sunday is safe |
| 11:02.58 | airtonix | all the bullets missed sunday |
| 11:03.37 | Shirik | zenzio that's pretty bad |
| 11:04.01 | Shirik | and on that note I will go to sleep |
| 11:04.02 | Shirik | baibai |
| 11:04.28 | airtonix | lies |
| 11:05.35 | Napoleone | lol |
| 11:05.38 | Napoleone | did the rift open now? |
| 11:05.46 | batrick | Shirik: ! |
| 11:06.52 | Napoleone | anyone on the eu can tell me when servers was suppose to be up? |
| 11:07.31 | Jamash | you know, the troll bear form looks much more natural when dancing |
| 11:07.44 | Jamash | SINCE IT'S COLORED LIKE A CIRCUS CLOWN |
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| 11:17.34 | sylvanaar_work | "Is there anybody here it doesnt suck to be?!" |
| 11:21.01 | Napoleone | anyone here using advanced tradeskill window? |
| 11:22.21 | airtonix | lol |
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| 11:53.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:58.35 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, is this something like what the blizzard authenticator does ? http://www.johngall.com/?p=346 |
| 11:58.48 | airtonix | http://apps.absolutelyandroid.com/rsasecuridsoftwaretoken-iphone-37191/app |
| 12:01.09 | airtonix | so this relies on accurate time syncronisation ? |
| 12:01.22 | airtonix | both devices being sync'd to the same NTP ? |
| 12:01.25 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 12:01.39 | jnwhiteh | it does rely on time, afaik |
| 12:01.43 | jnwhiteh | but not like tat. |
| 12:01.55 | mitch0 | it doesn't have to be _that_ accurate |
| 12:02.02 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 12:02.06 | mitch0 | there's something like a 1 min window, right? |
| 12:02.12 | jnwhiteh | yea, I believe so |
| 12:02.21 | airtonix | so in theory it should be fairly doable for me to create my own authenticator for various things ? |
| 12:02.23 | jnwhiteh | it canges every 30 seconds.. and you can use one on eiter side |
| 12:03.26 | airtonix | http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/communication/rsa-securid-software-token_nnms.html |
| 12:09.00 | cbreak_work | server can estimate time offset/drift of client |
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| 12:19.34 | Napoleone | why cant i find any cataclysm gear? |
| 12:19.39 | Napoleone | i want to see what i can bu fro jp |
| 12:19.56 | Maldivia | log on to beta, go to the vendor :P |
| 12:20.03 | Napoleone | i dont have beta |
| 12:20.14 | Napoleone | been signed up at curseforge and wow beta for 3 months now |
| 12:20.23 | Maldivia | :/ |
| 12:20.33 | Maldivia | log on to the PTR and check? |
| 12:20.51 | Maldivia | the shattering happened there, so the gear is probably available? |
| 12:20.55 | airtonix | only 3months |
| 12:20.58 | airtonix | lol |
| 12:21.01 | airtonix | dude |
| 12:21.18 | airtonix | you need to be logged into that shit since before wow came out |
| 12:21.48 | airtonix | which is why fisker had to murder someone to get into beta |
| 12:22.11 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 12:22.30 | airtonix | you think im joking? |
| 12:23.00 | airtonix | does this tin foil hat look like a joke ? |
| 12:24.19 | zenzio | <airtonix> which is why fisker had to murder someone to get into beta <-- if you ask me, Fisker is still alpha quality |
| 12:24.19 | angayelle | you no take tinfoil ! |
| 12:24.49 | airtonix | i do not appreciate this light hearted approach to my paranoia |
| 12:24.55 | airtonix | SHIT IS REAL! |
| 12:25.02 | angayelle | for what to buy with jp, you can on wowhead cata too |
| 12:28.52 | Kraftman | where can i read about the best way to sync data between addons? |
| 12:29.02 | airtonix | last assignment for programming and im DONE WITH VB |
| 12:29.09 | airtonix | horrible language |
| 12:29.25 | Zasurus | Airtonix: What do you normally use? |
| 12:30.03 | zenzio | Fortran |
| 12:30.09 | airtonix | :) |
| 12:30.18 | greppy | assembly? |
| 12:30.38 | airtonix | no i am more used to javascript and python |
| 12:31.05 | angayelle | !api SendAddonMessage |
| 12:31.06 | lua_bot | SendAddonMessage: Sends a chat-like message receivable by other addons (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage) |
| 12:31.06 | airtonix | i' much rather spend this time learning how to use csharp |
| 12:31.15 | angayelle | this kraftman |
| 12:32.00 | angayelle | !api CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 12:32.00 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_ADDON: Fires when an addon communication message is received (see [[docs/api/SendAddonMessage|`SendAddonMessage()`]]) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_ADDON) |
| 12:32.20 | angayelle | and this, you register this event and parse the text argument |
| 12:32.37 | Kraftman | thanks, i was wondering if there was a discussion about the best way to handle sending a lot of info, and how to keep tables in sync between players? |
| 12:33.20 | angayelle | i don't know how an existing librairy for this |
| 12:33.24 | angayelle | about* |
| 12:33.38 | Kraftman | id like to make a guild addon that records info about members to create a competittion each week |
| 12:34.00 | Zasurus | Kraftman: I would be interested in this aswell. I did a load of research for an old addon "FriendsMonitor" which does send data between them. You can look at that if you want. I wrote something in that to do it |
| 12:34.14 | Kraftman | thanks, ill check it out :) |
| 12:34.26 | angayelle | do you want it to be stored on one char in the guild or each char will have to have his table up to date |
| 12:34.41 | angayelle | ? |
| 12:34.48 | Kraftman | each character |
| 12:35.10 | Zasurus | Kraftman: PLEASE remember it never got finished! AND it was an early addon so I didn't know lua that well (I still don't but I hate looking at old code! :-| ) |
| 12:35.26 | angayelle | the limit in a chat message 1500 char if i recall right ? |
| 12:35.29 | Zasurus | Although I think the sending/recieving of addon data works |
| 12:36.04 | Zasurus | Yer my code cuts it into sections if it is bigger than that and patches it all together on the other end. It seemed to work but could likely be made more efficiant! :D |
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| 12:36.52 | angayelle | nope it's 254 char |
| 12:37.02 | Kraftman | i think sending the info will be fine |
| 12:37.20 | Zasurus | FriendsMonitor was ment to do kinda what RealID did (which is why I stopped developement when realID was anounced) so it sends player info back and forth. |
| 12:37.30 | Kraftman | but im not sure how to properly sync the data, as different players will have different packets of data, recorded over different times |
| 12:37.44 | Zasurus | I see |
| 12:38.00 | Zasurus | So you don't know which one to keep and which one to overwrite? |
| 12:38.00 | angayelle | you'll need to build the whole structure and table version check |
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| 12:38.18 | Zasurus | Can you not keep a data/time and use the newest? |
| 12:38.27 | Zasurus | (Sorry not sure what data you are storing) |
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| 12:39.01 | angayelle | probably store the player name, the info and the date of his last completion |
| 12:39.23 | angayelle | what zasurus said |
| 12:39.27 | Kraftman | i was thinking of labelling each table with the start time of recording, and the end time of recording |
| 12:39.45 | angayelle | a table per char in the guild ? |
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| 12:39.56 | Kraftman | a table per time slot |
| 12:40.00 | KuroSaru | clear |
| 12:40.06 | KuroSaru | arg >.> forgot the / |
| 12:40.18 | angayelle | what does time slot means to you ? |
| 12:40.37 | Kraftman | from when the addon started recording to when it finished |
| 12:40.46 | Kraftman | eg 7:30 to 9:00 pm |
| 12:41.02 | Zasurus | What about if those times overlap between two players? |
| 12:41.16 | Kraftman | well if a player coems online at 8:00 |
| 12:41.17 | Zasurus | You will need to choice one as the best... |
| 12:41.23 | angayelle | you meant competition within theses time slots then |
| 12:41.31 | Kraftman | the addon can say "hey, heres all the stuff you miss from 7:30 - 8:00 |
| 12:41.38 | Kraftman | missed* |
| 12:42.10 | Zasurus | Then you would need to store times againsed all the data so it can only pass over the data that it doesn't have? |
| 12:42.25 | angayelle | wow, you'd better have it well prepared this on paper before starting coding because this doesn't that simple to organize |
| 12:42.38 | angayelle | doesn't seem |
| 12:43.14 | Kraftman | yeh, each table of data would have its own start and end tiem recorded, and each added would send any tables of data that other addons were missing to those other addons |
| 12:44.39 | angayelle | btw what kind of things do you want to register ? |
| 12:44.52 | Kraftman | location |
| 12:45.29 | Kraftman | i run a pvp guild so it would be cool to have a prize each week for the person that spends the most amount of time in battlegrounds, or has the most wins, etc |
| 12:46.03 | angayelle | aahhh ok |
| 12:46.49 | KuroSaru | how would i hide my chat windows via lua? Chatframe1:hide()? |
| 12:47.06 | angayelle | i wonder if the armory tracks all that in statistics |
| 12:48.02 | Kraftman | yeh i was wondering what i could pull from achievements |
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| 12:48.39 | airtonix | um wtf : http://pastebin.com/zW6swF8j |
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| 12:48.41 | angayelle | kurosaru use /framestack to now the name of your chatframe and then you can use Frame:Hide() but i don't know if something wouldn't bring it up again without you using Frame:Show() |
| 12:48.49 | airtonix | arrived in australia then went to russia ? |
| 12:48.54 | airtonix | and back again ? |
| 12:48.59 | airtonix | w...t...f ? |
| 12:49.09 | KuroSaru | ok thank angayelle =] |
| 12:49.54 | angayelle | funneh |
| 12:49.56 | angayelle | np |
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| 12:51.37 | angayelle | i wonder why would someone want to send something in australia in the first place, hey |
| 12:52.00 | angayelle | i mean, does people really live there ? |
| 12:52.11 | airtonix | no it's just boongs and kangaroos |
| 12:52.18 | airtonix | oh and surfers |
| 12:52.27 | airtonix | but they don't count as humans anyway |
| 12:52.41 | angayelle | that does not match my conception of real people, |
| 12:52.51 | airtonix | i no rite? |
| 12:52.52 | angayelle | agreed airtonix |
| 12:53.20 | airtonix | im here all on my own and all i have to protect my self from the zombie horde is a 50cal |
| 12:53.40 | angayelle | oh you ordered ammo then ? |
| 12:53.48 | angayelle | i understand better now |
| 12:53.53 | airtonix | dude, i knew this shit was going to happen |
| 12:54.03 | airtonix | i was born with this ammo |
| 12:54.16 | angayelle | we all does, dun worry |
| 12:55.05 | airtonix | how do you figure zombies into the homeland security patriot act ? |
| 12:55.23 | airtonix | i mean, they'll just be all like NARM NARM NARM |
| 12:55.28 | airtonix | brains! |
| 12:55.58 | angayelle | zombies are like terrorist no ? |
| 12:56.27 | airtonix | not really |
| 12:56.29 | angayelle | tho there is no point torturing them |
| 12:56.56 | angayelle | mmmmh then there is a flaw, you might have to do something about it |
| 12:57.26 | airtonix | Not my country |
| 12:57.30 | airtonix | not my problem |
| 12:58.10 | airtonix | not unless your zombies start swimming here |
| 12:58.22 | airtonix | or walking here |
| 12:58.39 | angayelle | well i'm in france so my zombies are a long way from invading australia |
| 12:59.20 | angayelle | they got alot of european brains to chew before, and they might move to china afterwards instead of swimming |
| 12:59.29 | airtonix | yeah thye have to eat through italy and africa first |
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| 13:00.59 | Xinhuan | anyone alive here and plays a rogue? |
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| 13:04.53 | angayelle | does a zombie playing a rogue return true to that conditional ? |
| 13:04.53 | airtonix | no |
| 13:06.15 | Zasurus | I used windows mixer to mute it :P |
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| 13:37.58 | Computerpunk | GetSpellCooldown(index, "bookType") or GetSpellCooldown("name") or GetSpellCooldown(id) which is slower? :D |
| 13:38.05 | Computerpunk | Anybody got any ieda? |
| 13:38.06 | Computerpunk | Idea* |
| 13:38.11 | Computerpunk | Cause I'm downloading patch atm. |
| 13:39.26 | Lopeppeppy | I was gonna download the patch last night, wound up ravaging my iPhone instead. Fun times. |
| 13:40.06 | mitch0 | computer: my guess would be that the id version is the fastest, and all the rest get to call that eventually |
| 13:40.29 | mitch0 | computer: my guess could be completely wrong, but that's how I'd do it :) |
| 13:47.10 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 13:48.13 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: why did you ravage your phone? |
| 13:49.47 | Lopeppeppy | I think I jogged him too hard. *shrug* |
| 13:50.02 | zenzio | him? |
| 13:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | I updated the OS and it spazzed out. I had to wipe it, restore it to original settings, and then restore the last backup. |
| 13:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, my phone is a him. I haven't settled on a name, but it will probably be cockatrice at this rate. |
| 13:50.47 | zenzio | I see; but that doesn't explain referring to your phone as "him" o_O |
| 13:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | My car is a male personality, his name is Eric. |
| 13:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | My computer has a male personality, his name is Gryphon. |
| 13:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | My little bitty TV is called Kestrel, I think that one is a girl. |
| 13:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | I find that when I give my complex toys personalities to match their quirks, I get much less pissed off when they have bad days and then mysteriously fix themselves overnight. |
| 13:53.04 | zenzio | how come you keep naming your stuff? |
| 13:53.16 | zenzio | and quit answering before I ask! :-p |
| 13:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'm an animist. I think there's just a little bit of living spirit in everything. Especially complex mechanical/technical things! Spooky damn technological things. |
| 13:55.10 | batrick | wonders what Lopeppeppy calls our IRC channel. |
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| 13:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | The Lounge. |
| 13:58.14 | batrick | http://www.batbytes.com/cocaine.jpg |
| 14:00.32 | zenzio | heh |
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| 14:08.24 | Kraps | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wuuqTVSkJcgJ:forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html%3FtopicId%3D15443421285+http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html%3FtopicId%3D14910581127%26sid%3D1&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 14:08.36 | batrick | long url is long |
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| 14:10.55 | Kraps | omgomgomgomg http://kotaku.com/5692132/a-glimpse-at-biowares-next-game |
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| 14:11.33 | batrick | Kraps: epic post though, nice link |
| 14:11.51 | Kraps | yeah its funny |
| 14:12.32 | batrick | *Here is where you victory* |
| 14:13.56 | batrick | Also, this is why the forums should be available for download on torrent |
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| 14:14.09 | batrick | we will lose epic gems like that |
| 14:16.19 | foxlit | spider them? |
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| 14:22.04 | dardack | thet's epic |
| 14:23.00 | dardack | OMG why are DK's self healing getting nerfed again |
| 14:23.32 | dardack | f'ing blizz just ahtes me |
| 14:24.33 | foxlit | Yes. It's all your fault. Please reroll a rogue. |
| 14:24.36 | dardack | like isn't a hero class supposed to be special, sigh |
| 14:24.44 | dardack | i have a 23 rogue never could play it properly |
| 14:25.01 | dardack | shaman is was my melee class, my main in BC in fact |
| 14:26.41 | dardack | guess i'm staying NE on my D |
| 14:28.13 | Ackis | slipped and fell on ice yesterday. :( |
| 14:28.36 | dardack | that sux |
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| 14:32.06 | Kraps | Ackis: did you hurted |
| 14:32.20 | Ackis | i still hurted |
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| 14:33.39 | Computerpunk | what do I do if I still get the dns error on curse.com? Can't even update curse client. >_> And 4.0.3 borke addons. |
| 14:34.00 | Zasurus | http://68.64.47.204/ works for ppl with trouble i believe |
| 14:34.03 | Nobgul | clear your dns cache |
| 14:34.20 | Computerpunk | Nobgul, I don't have dns service. |
| 14:34.20 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 14:34.27 | Nobgul | of course you do. |
| 14:34.33 | Computerpunk | services.msc, it's disabled. :) |
| 14:34.34 | Zasurus | windows has them |
| 14:34.39 | Zasurus | I see |
| 14:34.46 | Zasurus | router or isp then |
| 14:35.03 | Nobgul | yer |
| 14:35.04 | Computerpunk | Well, that ip works, but then, I'l have to manually type links. :D |
| 14:35.16 | Nobgul | Then its yoru router or isp. |
| 14:35.21 | Zasurus | does the google dsn work? |
| 14:35.23 | Nobgul | Did you update your routers dns |
| 14:35.25 | Nobgul | 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:35.26 | Nobgul | ? |
| 14:35.39 | Zasurus | or 8.8.4.4 |
| 14:36.02 | Ackis | Computerpunk: go to www.curse.com |
| 14:36.10 | Computerpunk | I'm there. |
| 14:36.12 | Computerpunk | Ackis. |
| 14:36.13 | Ackis | http://www.curseforge.com/announcements/packager-issues/?comment=17 |
| 14:37.08 | Computerpunk | as I've said, I don't have my dns service enabled. |
| 14:37.10 | Computerpunk | Therefore, no cache. |
| 14:37.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (Borgleader@132.207.244.59) |
| 14:37.41 | Nobgul | Try to hard reboot your router? |
| 14:37.44 | Zasurus | Computer have you tried googles dns yet |
| 14:37.52 | Nobgul | accually try to ping curse.com |
| 14:37.56 | Nobgul | just for shits and giggles |
| 14:38.00 | *** join/#wowuidev taroven (~taroven|M@74.83.218.170) |
| 14:38.02 | Computerpunk | pings just fine. |
| 14:38.09 | Nobgul | from your computer |
| 14:38.11 | Computerpunk | but, curse client gives error. |
| 14:38.15 | Computerpunk | I just did. |
| 14:38.16 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 14:38.20 | Computerpunk | Packets are sent and received. |
| 14:38.25 | Nobgul | Then its not a dns issue |
| 14:38.26 | Zasurus | does the curse client have a dsn cache? |
| 14:38.34 | Nobgul | No its hard coded. |
| 14:38.41 | Computerpunk | 4 sent, 4 received, 0 loss, 134ms average |
| 14:38.42 | Zasurus | to the url or ip |
| 14:38.51 | Nobgul | url I think. |
| 14:39.18 | Nobgul | You could just fool it. by forwarding all your local traffoc bounf for curse.com to curseforge.com |
| 14:39.33 | Nobgul | IMHO to much work wait for a update lol |
| 14:39.54 | Computerpunk | C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.EXPERIENCE>nslookup curse.com |
| 14:39.59 | Computerpunk | *** Default servers are not available |
| 14:40.00 | Computerpunk | Server: UnKnown |
| 14:40.00 | Computerpunk | Address: 192.168.2.1 |
| 14:40.00 | Computerpunk | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 14:40.00 | Computerpunk | Name: curse.com |
| 14:40.00 | Computerpunk | Address: 208.94.147.150 |
| 14:40.51 | Nobgul | yer |
| 14:40.55 | Nobgul | your dns cache is all fubar |
| 14:41.16 | Nobgul | or your isp / router |
| 14:41.19 | Zasurus | that is not the write ip |
| 14:41.24 | Nobgul | nope its not |
| 14:41.27 | Zasurus | 208.94.147.150 is for dns easy |
| 14:41.33 | Computerpunk | I know it's not, that's why I'm trying to find out where it goes wrong. |
| 14:41.36 | Computerpunk | Zasurus, I know that. |
| 14:41.41 | Computerpunk | That's why I get forwarded to that page. |
| 14:41.56 | Ackis | Computerpunk: it was recently fixed |
| 14:42.01 | Nobgul | whewn you ping curse.com what ip does it return? |
| 14:42.05 | Ackis | need to wait for your ISP to update apparently |
| 14:42.12 | Computerpunk | same as nslookup |
| 14:42.27 | Nobgul | the sucks |
| 14:42.30 | Nobgul | that* |
| 14:42.31 | Computerpunk | sec, lemme check if it's my pc. |
| 14:42.34 | Computerpunk | Or my ISP. |
| 14:42.36 | Zasurus | k |
| 14:42.43 | Nobgul | i thinks its your pc. |
| 14:43.04 | Nobgul | flushdns wouldnt hurt either way. |
| 14:43.19 | Computerpunk | Nobgul, I can't use flushdns while service is off. Tried turning on, still no dice. |
| 14:43.22 | Computerpunk | Either router or ISP. |
| 14:43.36 | Computerpunk | My other PCs (haven't even been on curse.com on them, have the same errors.) |
| 14:43.47 | Zasurus | ] <sylvanaar_work> 4.2.2.2 is faster for me |
| 14:43.51 | Nobgul | well its yoru router |
| 14:43.53 | Nobgul | i feel stupid lol |
| 14:43.55 | Zasurus | try that dsn |
| 14:44.03 | Nobgul | <Computerpunk> Server: UnKnown |
| 14:44.03 | Nobgul | <Computerpunk> Address: 192.168.2.1 |
| 14:44.14 | Nobgul | internal ip |
| 14:44.17 | Computerpunk | k |
| 14:44.26 | Nobgul | if it was external it would have a real ip address. |
| 14:46.16 | Computerpunk | hard reboot != reset, right? |
| 14:47.25 | Nobgul | yer |
| 14:47.37 | Computerpunk | brb, unplugging |
| 14:47.39 | Nobgul | kk |
| 14:48.09 | dardack | sigh curse works here but not my home |
| 14:49.43 | Computerpunk | same |
| 14:49.46 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 14:50.55 | Nobgul | did you hit the reset button or mabey hold down the pwr button for 10 seconds |
| 14:51.07 | Computerpunk | literally unplugged power chord |
| 14:51.07 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 14:51.31 | Computerpunk | didn't I get disced? |
| 14:51.46 | Zasurus | dont think so |
| 14:52.48 | Nobgul | Computerpunk: the router prob holds data in a mem chip unplugging it really won't work |
| 14:53.11 | Computerpunk | so, how do i shot web? |
| 14:53.12 | Nobgul | if you can log inot the web panel 192.168.1.1 most likely you can try to reset there |
| 14:53.29 | Nobgul | Depending on the router and your networks setup it may be diffrent |
| 14:53.32 | Computerpunk | Nobgul, I can reset the router there, but not the dns. And I tried resetting there twice before asking here. |
| 14:53.53 | Nobgul | What type of router is it? |
| 14:54.19 | Zasurus | Computerpunk: Have you tried changing your dns to google or 4.2.2.2? I know I asked earlyer but can't see if you replied :-) |
| 14:54.32 | Computerpunk | Zasurus, how do I do that then? o_O |
| 14:54.52 | Zasurus | What os u got? |
| 14:54.54 | Computerpunk | Windows XP SP3. |
| 14:55.00 | Computerpunk | And Nobgul I got no idea, lemme go out and check. |
| 14:55.27 | Nobgul | ok |
| 14:56.04 | Computerpunk | canyon cnr br2 |
| 14:56.16 | Computerpunk | I miss my tp-link |
| 14:56.27 | *** join/#wowuidev aX0rZ (~Administr@p5B24812B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:56.40 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~Thunder_C@99-50-83-113.lightspeed.lsanca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:56.40 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~Thunder_C@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC) |
| 14:57.19 | Zasurus | I don't have xp at moment but if you have disabled your dsn server I will assume you know something! ;-) Right click on network nabourhood and properties |
| 14:57.35 | Zasurus | then need to find network connection in question |
| 14:57.43 | Zasurus | then right click and properties again |
| 14:57.47 | Computerpunk | Kay, I'm there. |
| 14:58.07 | Computerpunk | tcp/ip thing? |
| 14:58.09 | Zasurus | is there an ip v4 line |
| 14:58.44 | Zasurus | think there should be several lines in "this connection uses the folowing items:" |
| 14:58.56 | Zasurus | one should be Internet protocall version 4 I think |
| 14:59.05 | Computerpunk | Nada. |
| 14:59.14 | Zasurus | what screen are you on now then :-) |
| 14:59.15 | TC-Away | older ones just have tcp/ip |
| 14:59.17 | dardack | ok why isn't dominos saving key bindings ? |
| 14:59.21 | TC-Away | there is no v6 |
| 14:59.24 | Zasurus | ok what tc said |
| 14:59.36 | Zasurus | click tcp/ip and click properties |
| 14:59.37 | Computerpunk | dardack, might be blizz failure. |
| 14:59.44 | Computerpunk | DNS Server is 192.168.2.1 |
| 14:59.55 | Zasurus | ok guess thats your router |
| 15:00.01 | dardack | oh is blizz not saving keybindings server side anymore? |
| 15:00.02 | Computerpunk | You could've asked for that, lol. |
| 15:00.10 | Zasurus | change them to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 15:00.11 | Computerpunk | dardack, I don't know for sure. _might_ |
| 15:00.20 | Computerpunk | kay |
| 15:00.21 | Computerpunk | checking |
| 15:00.41 | Computerpunk | Thanks. |
| 15:00.41 | Computerpunk | :D |
| 15:00.48 | Zasurus | :-D YEY |
| 15:00.57 | Computerpunk | Thanks alot. |
| 15:01.01 | Computerpunk | ~Zasurus++ |
| 15:01.02 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 15:01.04 | Zasurus | np |
| 15:01.44 | Zasurus | Now you can sit here for the next person to come in stuck with same problem ;-) Pay it forward n all! :-P |
| 15:01.54 | Computerpunk | I will. |
| 15:02.13 | Computerpunk | You could've just said to look in network connections and change dns server used. I thought it was something router related. |
| 15:02.14 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 15:02.34 | Computerpunk | should I turn my dns cache on. |
| 15:02.35 | Computerpunk | hm |
| 15:02.35 | Computerpunk | yeah |
| 15:02.46 | Ackis | is /report a reserved slashcommand at all? |
| 15:02.52 | Zasurus | hehe was shocked when you knew how to disable dsn services but not how to change dsn! :-) |
| 15:02.55 | Computerpunk | Ackis, lemme find out. |
| 15:03.36 | Computerpunk | Zasurus, me noob. :< |
| 15:03.50 | Ackis | sighs |
| 15:03.58 | Computerpunk | I wrote SlashList for a reason, lol. |
| 15:06.34 | Zasurus | Cool SlashList looks usefull... :-) |
| 15:06.46 | Ackis | Computerpunk: is it? |
| 15:06.47 | Zasurus | orders curseclient to download ShashList |
| 15:08.24 | Computerpunk | Nope. |
| 15:08.39 | Computerpunk | Zasurus, iterates _G for stuff. |
| 15:09.02 | Computerpunk | it's basically iterate _G for SLASH_ then check key and value for given string. |
| 15:09.04 | Zasurus | Yer I can see. :-) |
| 15:09.12 | Computerpunk | iterating* |
| 15:09.34 | Zasurus | Useful for finding what slash commands already exist |
| 15:10.02 | Computerpunk | not only :D |
| 15:10.03 | Zasurus | And I am alwasy forgetting a addon's slash command so will be useful :-) |
| 15:10.08 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 15:10.53 | Computerpunk | gonna try making it smaller tho |
| 15:11.49 | Computerpunk | hmm. |
| 15:11.56 | Computerpunk | I can't remember why I did the compress table, and why I did it that way. |
| 15:11.57 | Computerpunk | :o |
| 15:13.19 | Zasurus | Yer thats why I hate looking at my old code... its file looking at someone elses code and saying "that not how it should be done" but when it's your code and your shocked at how bad it is! ;-) I am dredding going back to fix FreindsMonitor! :| |
| 15:13.37 | Ackis | new bioware game: http://www.trueachievements.com/n2276/bioware-tease-next-major-project.htm |
| 15:13.54 | Computerpunk | No, I'm confused why I did that i = i + 1 when it's already iterating i in the loop |
| 15:14.05 | Zasurus | Some amazing graphics! |
| 15:14.19 | Zasurus | computerpunk: so it's skipping 1 extra each time!? |
| 15:14.43 | Zasurus | or is the i=i+1 at the end of the loop so ignored |
| 15:14.53 | dardack | ok explain to me the point of a hero class if they nerf your self healing to the piont you can't solo stuff anymore |
| 15:15.04 | Computerpunk | I think it should've been i = i - 1 |
| 15:15.25 | Computerpunk | but yeah, I know why I did the compressTable thing. |
| 15:15.29 | Computerpunk | Blizz slashes appear twice. |
| 15:16.09 | Zasurus | dardack: I never sore the point in the "HERO" class anyway! It was just a cheat to get to 55. Most ppl don't know how to use there DK by 80 as they haven't had the extra 55 levels to get there head around it! ;-) |
| 15:16.37 | dardack | yea most |
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| 15:16.50 | dardack | i agree, i'm not one of them, i'm a f'ing beast of a tank |
| 15:16.51 | Computerpunk | I use my DK to get easy grandmaster inscription. :< |
| 15:16.58 | Zasurus | :-) |
| 15:17.14 | unfo- | Ackis, that site sucks ass. putting a 2 meg 4000x1700 jpeg on the site with just img width="400" height="170" >_< |
| 15:17.15 | Computerpunk | ok, fixed that jumping and now. |
| 15:17.19 | Zasurus | dardack: I have met one good dk tank and he was on another server :( |
| 15:17.19 | Computerpunk | need a bigger scrollarea. |
| 15:17.35 | Computerpunk | or smaller font |
| 15:17.36 | Computerpunk | it's too big |
| 15:18.03 | Zasurus | there is no way that is real time graphics! |
| 15:18.07 | dardack | yea zasurus aparantly that's the case, i was recruited off my server to a pvp server for ICC progression (work schedule changed and about 2months after LK went down xfered back) from running randoms with this dude |
| 15:18.13 | Zasurus | When I blow up the image it is way to good! |
| 15:18.41 | dardack | but yea, most dk's suck i agree, but nerfing me where I can barely solo mag25 anymore and even LK Heroic instances just sux |
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| 15:20.38 | Nobgul | Dk's are not hard. |
| 15:20.46 | Nobgul | Roll face left roll face right profit |
| 15:21.00 | dardack | dk dps not hard |
| 15:21.07 | dardack | dk tanking aparantly isn't but i don't think it is |
| 15:21.14 | Nobgul | Howling blast somewhere inbetween |
| 15:21.22 | Nobgul | dardack: I still frost tank =P |
| 15:21.25 | unfo- | dk tanking (no raid exp here) seems to be quite awful vs dudu or pally. runes are messy, rage/mana is nice ^^ |
| 15:21.26 | Nobgul | dw frost tank at that |
| 15:21.42 | Computerpunk | unfo-, druid tank can't hold mob packs that well. |
| 15:21.43 | dardack | your not crit capped so you raid tank? |
| 15:21.44 | Nobgul | My response to my healers. Heal more |
| 15:21.45 | Computerpunk | Swipe got nerfed totally. |
| 15:21.56 | Computerpunk | Paladin is best mob pack tank. |
| 15:22.01 | Nobgul | errr |
| 15:22.03 | Nobgul | I dunno |
| 15:22.16 | Nobgul | But my guild pally sure does good on keeping the ghoules on him during lk =P |
| 15:22.23 | unfo- | Computerpunk, i mean the feel and mechanics of tanking those classes in general. but yeah, agreed aoe is not my teddy's forte |
| 15:22.29 | Nobgul | even knwo we say no concencrate! BAM! |
| 15:22.45 | Nobgul | I think my warrior is my easiest tank. |
| 15:23.04 | Computerpunk | unfo-, I remember when I leveled my warrior. Fury tanking is better than prot till 35. Some Druid went like: OMG I TANK! FURY WARRIOR TANK?!?!? Told him: Chill out bro, I hold aggro better than you. |
| 15:23.11 | Computerpunk | Showed him I kept taking mob packs with just thunder clap. XD |
| 15:23.20 | Computerpunk | no other ability used. |
| 15:23.30 | Computerpunk | I just love doing optimizations and finding out more about Blizz API. |
| 15:23.40 | unfo- | Computerpunk, yeah, i'm gonna try a warrior in cata too :) |
| 15:24.45 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://www.trueachievements.com/n2277/gears-of-war-2-10x-thanksgibbing-event.htm are you after Seriously 2.0 in GoW2? |
| 15:24.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 15:25.56 | Computerpunk | I jsut love my Hunter DPS atm. Waiting for unlearning Survival and learning BM. |
| 15:26.16 | Arrowmaster | its going to have to be a major thing for them to offer a way to boost seriously 2.0, since they will have to top 100 kills per minute |
| 15:26.29 | zenzelezz | so Bioware posted one of those 2D QR codes that said, in binary, "-128.5 F" o_O |
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| 15:28.28 | dardack | i'm sorry i just gotta say i love my lootwhatiwant addon, sometimes i'm just reminded why i wrote it, anyways back to solo'ing all of KZ |
| 15:28.56 | Computerpunk | made levels 61-62 on my dk by just herbing. |
| 15:29.05 | Computerpunk | which is kinda <retarded> |
| 15:29.13 | Computerpunk | <Repo> [WoW] slashlist: computerpunk * r14 SlashList.lua: *Optimizations and fixups. |
| 15:29.14 | Computerpunk | <Repo> [WoW] slashlist: computerpunk 1.2 * r15 : *Tagging. |
| 15:29.17 | Computerpunk | For Zasurus. |
| 15:29.27 | nevcairiel | It would probably take the same time to level by questing |
| 15:29.30 | amro | because grinding is so much more fun |
| 15:29.40 | amro | it's not levelling to 70 is all that relevant anymore |
| 15:29.47 | amro | s/not/not like/ |
| 15:29.52 | Zasurus | ComputerPunk: Will go look in a bit |
| 15:32.22 | Computerpunk | Game Engine |
| 15:32.22 | Computerpunk | Cinematics are now downloaded through the streaming client, making them available to users with digital downloads. |
| 15:32.23 | Computerpunk | YES |
| 15:32.50 | Zasurus | Although they are some of the last items to get downloaded |
| 15:33.01 | Computerpunk | ... |
| 15:33.05 | Computerpunk | Wintergrasp now utilizes a population balancing system of a 1:1 ratio. Because of this, Tenacity should no longer apply to players during the battle. |
| 15:33.09 | Computerpunk | Ok, so, I'll never get WG now. |
| 15:33.09 | Zasurus | So if you start playing when the downloader is in the yellow section they arn't always there |
| 15:33.35 | nevcairiel | WG sucked with tenacity before, though |
| 15:33.46 | nevcairiel | so even if you have to wait a bit, the overall experience will be much better |
| 15:33.48 | Zasurus | ComputerPunk: Thats the spirit positive thinking! :-P |
| 15:33.57 | amro | nevcairiel: yeah, finally |
| 15:34.25 | Dagmar | THEre's nothing quite like watching a warlock run around with the stats and attacks of raid boss in an instance 5 levels too high for you |
| 15:34.28 | Zasurus | Chamber of Aspects has way more active horde players than aliance so the wg queue will be huge horde side! |
| 15:34.49 | Dagmar | Zasurus: WTF is wrong with you |
| 15:34.51 | nevcairiel | Computerpunk: where are you reading that anyway? |
| 15:35.04 | Zasurus | Dagmar? |
| 15:35.13 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_4.0.3_(undocumented_changes) |
| 15:35.21 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:35.26 | Dagmar | That's entirely the opposite of what is likely to happen. |
| 15:35.36 | nevcairiel | seriously |
| 15:35.37 | nevcairiel | Sound Channels in the Sound & Voice menu is now a drop-down menu rather than a slider. |
| 15:35.43 | nevcairiel | thats worth documenting? <.< |
| 15:36.02 | Computerpunk | yep. :D |
| 15:36.04 | Dagmar | The more people who want in, the easier it'll be to put together groups |
| 15:36.05 | Zasurus | Dagmar: Why what is wrong with me! :O |
| 15:36.10 | nevcairiel | no, its not. |
| 15:36.16 | nevcairiel | It has no impact on the player whatsoever |
| 15:36.22 | Dagmar | It's not like only one set of people can be in an instanced location at a time |
| 15:36.27 | Computerpunk | nevcairiel, like Sound, Music, Ambience showing "Muted" when hovering over slider. |
| 15:36.50 | Computerpunk | nevcairiel, it's annoying to see Sound and Voice when you press escape now. |
| 15:37.09 | Computerpunk | Or was it before the same? |
| 15:37.10 | amro | nevcairiel: documenting it has no negative impact either, so what's your point? |
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| 15:37.18 | Computerpunk | the same before* |
| 15:37.40 | nevcairiel | amro: if every meaningless change is documented on that list, the meaningful changes might be missed when skimming through it |
| 15:37.51 | nevcairiel | granted, its not really long yet |
| 15:37.54 | Dagmar | Goddamn it how dare they show you options |
| 15:38.05 | amro | changes are changes |
| 15:38.19 | amro | you can say they should be prioritized, but I'm all for including the tiniest changes |
| 15:38.21 | Computerpunk | Undocumented changes means Blizzard didn't want them on documented. |
| 15:38.26 | Dagmar | You did happen to notice how many people were utterly LOST about the UI scale change, right? |
| 15:38.32 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 15:38.34 | amro | nah, they likely just forgot/didn't care enough |
| 15:38.38 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:38.55 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, I just increased my scale, lol. |
| 15:38.55 | Dagmar | people who'd been playing for years.. "halp my icons are all too small!" |
| 15:39.10 | Computerpunk | l2increase scale |
| 15:39.26 | nevcairiel | All the class changes in 4.0.3 are not documented in the patch notes, why doesnt someone post those instead |
| 15:39.35 | nevcairiel | now that would be useful |
| 15:39.49 | Dagmar | Two of my guild members didn't know where that was, and we've been playing so long there's carpets in Vegas we wouldn't stand on because it looks too much like fire. |
| 15:42.23 | Ackis | I didn't know where the UI scale was, last time I touched it the video options looked completely different :P |
| 15:42.44 | Ackis | asked his fiancee why everything was bigger than it was before :( |
| 15:43.02 | nevcairiel | not everything, she said |
| 15:43.11 | Zasurus | lol |
| 15:43.11 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:44.28 | Dagmar | Ackis: Turn in your man card. |
| 15:45.52 | Dagmar | They should try that at Blizzcon next year. Small carpets with fire on them. |
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| 15:48.36 | dardack | at least your girl plays |
| 15:48.47 | dardack | or maybe it's good mine doesn't |
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| 15:50.57 | Lulia1 | I think the raider training dummies on the ptr server are 85 now |
| 15:52.02 | nevcairiel | most likely |
| 15:52.05 | nevcairiel | pvp guards as well |
| 15:52.35 | Lulia1 | I was missing all over the place while testing >.> |
| 15:52.49 | Lulia1 | So I'm using normal dummies now |
| 15:53.36 | Malediction | Dr Boom in netherstorm if you're ranged :) |
| 15:54.06 | Malediction | (Handy for testing frost mage as he's immune to stuns so DF works) |
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| 15:55.02 | Lulia1 | Training dummies are fine :P |
| 15:57.24 | Lulia1 | Nev, you said the strange issue with Bartender4 and the highlight animations is a Blizz error? How did you find that out anyways? |
| 15:57.34 | Maldivia | *smirk* like the subtle 4.0.3a patch date announcement :P |
| 15:58.25 | Ackis | is the beta up and running right now? |
| 15:59.02 | amro | I don't know, but more likely it'd be crawling |
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| 16:01.29 | Lulia1 | Yay, I think I'm down to 1 error in my spell table system |
| 16:01.43 | Lulia | If so, I can finally freaking move on to the virtual eclipse |
| 16:05.45 | Lulia | This is odd. If I cast wrath on a creature and it kills it and I have starfire casting when wrath hits, it appropriately fails, but UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED fires 3 times |
| 16:05.57 | Computerpunk | now, let's iterate G and find out what var has "SPELL" as its value. |
| 16:06.18 | Arrowmaster | BOOKTYPE_SPELL ? |
| 16:07.25 | Lulia | O.o |
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| 16:07.44 | nevcairiel | thats "spell", actually |
| 16:08.05 | nevcairiel | you could just look at GlobalStrings.lua |
| 16:08.31 | Lulia | For one spell failing I get UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED 3 times and UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP once |
| 16:08.34 | Lulia | Hmm |
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| 16:08.48 | Lulia | Though if I definitely get a stop event for each fail, I can just use that to cover fails |
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| 16:09.05 | Lulia | Sort of odd that failed is covered 3 times though |
| 16:09.54 | zenzelezz | maybe it failed really bad |
| 16:10.09 | Computerpunk_ | Lulia, using svns yet? |
| 16:10.09 | Computerpunk_ | XD |
| 16:10.14 | Computerpunk_ | well, repos. |
| 16:11.00 | Lulia | No >.> |
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| 16:11.27 | Lulia | brb |
| 16:14.55 | Nobgul | You scared Lulia with svn and repo's |
| 16:15.09 | Nobgul | i need to find a windows gui for git |
| 16:15.42 | Nobgul | or atelast shell intergration |
| 16:16.25 | amro | there's a tortoisegit |
| 16:16.39 | amro | I'm not sure anyone has managed to get it to work though |
| 16:16.53 | nevcairiel | I heard SmartGit was kinda usable |
| 16:17.22 | Zasurus | What is the advantage of git over svn? |
| 16:17.30 | amro | it's not a giant piece of shit |
| 16:17.36 | Zasurus | lol |
| 16:18.33 | Lulia | back |
| 16:19.11 | Computerpunk | SVN is bad. |
| 16:19.13 | Computerpunk | I'd use HG. |
| 16:19.20 | Computerpunk | If you're on Windose. |
| 16:19.27 | Cide | windows* |
| 16:19.30 | Cide | svn is fine |
| 16:19.45 | Cide | use hg or svn on windows |
| 16:19.55 | Zasurus | So you would recormend git then? I have just started using SVN... BUT I like the idea of GIT's alpha version numbers :-) |
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| 16:20.06 | Zasurus | ok |
| 16:20.10 | Zasurus | hg? |
| 16:20.39 | Cide | www.lmgtfy.com/search?q=hg+source+control |
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| 16:20.56 | Cide | the fuck |
| 16:21.06 | Cide | they changed it |
| 16:21.07 | cog|work | Cide: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/tree_dungeon_spawn.png I'm standing on my spawn point (yes it's in a tree) |
| 16:21.09 | Cide | www.lmgtfy.com/?q=hg+source+control |
| 16:21.23 | Cide | cog|work: nice |
| 16:21.33 | Cide | beware of the spider |
| 16:21.42 | cog|work | i'm gonna make a string farm out of it i think |
| 16:21.54 | Cide | is it a spider spawner? |
| 16:21.58 | cog|work | yep |
| 16:22.10 | Cide | I found a massive cave the other day |
| 16:22.13 | cog|work | that's what i saw immediately after terrain generation |
| 16:22.43 | Cide | interestingly it was immediately adjacent to my initial dig shaft that turned up nothing at all |
| 16:22.45 | cog|work | i actually haven't dug the spawner out to see for sure, but that spider wouldn't be there otherwise i think |
| 16:23.04 | Cide | until I had nothing to do and just tore down a tile in the wall |
| 16:23.20 | cog|work | this was a short walk from another world's spawn point, open to the air: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/double_spawner_all_the_way.jpg |
| 16:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Cogwheel |
| 16:23.31 | Cide | whoa... |
| 16:23.37 | Cide | a double spawner |
| 16:23.43 | Cide | what does it mean? |
| 16:23.43 | cog|work | lurvs Lopeppeppy back |
| 16:25.10 | Lulia | wow... someone makes an inferior unit tester map for sc2 |
| 16:25.17 | Lulia | And it has far more downloads than mine |
| 16:25.18 | Cide | nice |
| 16:25.42 | Cide | is it as good as JUnit? |
| 16:25.54 | Lulia | Never seen junit |
| 16:26.01 | cog|work | slaps Cide |
| 16:26.09 | Cide | ^_^ |
| 16:26.48 | cog|work | Lulia: there's a reason we have "Best seller" lists and not "best <whatever the thing is>" |
| 16:26.56 | cog|work | lists |
| 16:27.12 | Lulia | There's no logical reason why this map would do better though. It's worse... |
| 16:27.20 | cog|work | exposure |
| 16:27.33 | cog|work | maybe the author is spamming various sc2 forums "advertising" it. |
| 16:27.45 | Cide | linux is quite popular with nerds and geeks despite being inferior to windows |
| 16:27.54 | Cide | there's really no logic behind it |
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| 16:29.31 | amro | ~lart Cide |
| 16:29.31 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Cide, and goes postal |
| 16:30.27 | Lulia | I'm thinking there's no need for me to use UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED if UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP fires whenever it fires. |
| 16:30.56 | Lulia | The major issue right now is I haven't been able to test if this is true for interrupts |
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| 16:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | DILLIGAFF! *giggle* |
| 16:33.02 | Lulia | ?? |
| 16:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Random Peppy is random. |
| 16:33.44 | Zasurus | wonders if it is to early for Lopeppeppy to be drinking |
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| 16:34.09 | Cide | death strike's tooltip is math-challenged people's hell |
| 16:34.33 | Lulia | :( oh noes |
| 16:34.42 | Cide | A deadly attack that deals 150% weapon damage plus 442.5, healing you for 25.0% of the damage you have sustained during the preceding 5 sec (minimum of at least 7% of your maximum health) |
| 16:34.44 | Lulia | is math-challenged. |
| 16:34.50 | Motig | haha |
| 16:35.01 | Lulia | Oh, that's not so bad |
| 16:35.14 | Cide | clearly you're not as math-challenged as you would think you are |
| 16:35.37 | Lulia | On the SATs I did worse than half the country, but that was 5 or so years ago |
| 16:35.43 | Lulia | Man, maybe more like 6 |
| 16:35.45 | Lulia | >.> |
| 16:35.57 | Cide | 50% of people do worse or as bad as half the country |
| 16:36.04 | Lulia | I did better than 91% of the country on English though. I r goods at grammar |
| 16:36.21 | Cide | that's "below average" by definition |
| 16:36.30 | nicoli_s | its so messed up they changed the SAT, so i cant compare myself against new people who take it |
| 16:36.43 | Cide | (with some subtleties in defining 'average') |
| 16:36.46 | Cide | regardless |
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| 16:36.52 | Cide | being in the bottom half says nothing |
| 16:37.00 | Lulia | Math killed my SAT, my writing and reading portions were excellent. |
| 16:37.10 | Lulia | It means I'm pretty bad at math, Cide! |
| 16:37.14 | Cide | no |
| 16:37.20 | Zasurus | My lua is better than my english ;-) |
| 16:37.21 | Cide | it means you're below average-ish |
| 16:37.51 | Zasurus | lulia: what is >.> |
| 16:38.01 | Cide | if half the people can do fourier transforms in their head you're not math-challenged because you can't |
| 16:38.03 | Zasurus | I guess it's a smilee but wha does it mean |
| 16:38.20 | Lulia | Shifty eyes |
| 16:38.26 | Zasurus | arr OK thanks :-) |
| 16:38.59 | Lulia | I was confused about your question for a moment, didn't know you were referring to: >.> |
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| 16:39.08 | Lulia | I thought you were using them, which was odd with your question. |
| 16:39.09 | Zasurus | lol |
| 16:39.13 | Zasurus | :-) |
| 16:39.17 | Lulia | Cide: I suppose that's true :P |
| 16:39.46 | Zasurus | yer maybe "Lulia: what does ">.>" mean" would have been better ;-) |
| 16:45.15 | Lulia | Well, I've narrowed down the error I think, which should mean I'm close to solving it. I think it has something to do with spells landing (and thus being removed from the table) just before the current cast finishes. |
| 16:48.03 | Cide | nicoli_s: sure you can, just convert your score to "better than x% of the country" |
| 16:48.14 | Cide | surely there must be statistics to allow for that |
| 16:48.31 | durcyn | huh, the scores don't show percentiles anymore? |
| 16:48.49 | Cide | no idea, I'm swedish |
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| 16:49.09 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:49.10 | cog|work | station |
| 16:49.34 | cog|work | i had to explain that to mrs cog last night :P |
| 16:49.40 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 16:49.40 | Cide | titsona |
| 16:49.53 | Cide | a superior anagram |
| 16:50.08 | Lunessa | Cide: In all ways I support tits. |
| 16:50.33 | Cide | I wish I was stationed at titsona station |
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| 16:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | eyes Lunessa up and down. |
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| 16:53.54 | Lulia | waves cheerfully at Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:54.02 | Lunessa | performs a salacious eyebrow waggle at Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Whalebone, or coiled steel, Lunessa? |
| 16:54.57 | Zasurus | hides behind something |
| 16:54.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Whalebone is better for flexing and comfort, but coiled steel is easier to get. |
| 16:55.09 | Lulia | 74k vid views on my youtube channel |
| 16:55.39 | cog|work | what's that? |
| 16:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, coiled steel is hard on the tops of the ribcage/underarm area, it's rarely padded well enough. Us endowned ladies have a hard time with poky corsets. |
| 16:58.28 | Lulia | O.o |
| 16:58.48 | cog|work | Lulia: i'm still trying to get to 2500 views :P |
| 16:58.50 | Ackis | epic tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/Pwnyx/status/4926275114242049 |
| 17:00.50 | Lunessa | *nod* But on behalf of men everywhere, let me thank you for endeavoring to persevere and wear corsets for our continued enjoyment. |
| 17:01.09 | durcyn | i don't think she's doing it for your enjoyment, Lunessa. |
| 17:01.20 | Lulia | Uh |
| 17:01.27 | Lulia | What? |
| 17:01.27 | Lunessa | durcyn: What sad, sad, world you live in. |
| 17:01.37 | Lulia | cog|work: What sort of videos do you make? |
| 17:01.50 | amro | awesome ones |
| 17:02.01 | amro | reminds me, I haven't watched the last one |
| 17:02.41 | cog|work | Lulia: so far it's mostly SC2 Learn from my fail |
| 17:02.45 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/user/cogwheel42 |
| 17:02.50 | cog|work | just started a wings of liberty walkthrough |
| 17:02.54 | Ackis | wait Lulia's youtube channel has girls in corsets? |
| 17:02.55 | cog|work | and i'm going to start a minecraft let's play |
| 17:03.05 | Lulia | Ackis: I wish |
| 17:03.13 | amro | cog|work: what do you use for recording? |
| 17:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | I need a new one, Lunessa, I undergrew the old one. *sniff sniff* |
| 17:03.24 | cog|work | FRAPS for the game, audacity for the voiceover |
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| 17:03.27 | Lunessa | RAWR. Shopping time. |
| 17:03.30 | Lulia | undergrew your corset, lope? |
| 17:03.33 | Lulia | wha? |
| 17:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | Lost a german shepherd worth of weight, Lulia. |
| 17:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | Undergrew. :) |
| 17:03.49 | Napoleone | god i dont get the string.format think |
| 17:03.51 | cog|work | grats :) |
| 17:03.53 | amro | cog|work: do you end up manually syncing the two? |
| 17:04.08 | cog|work | amro: yeah, but it's really not hard with how loud my kb is :P |
| 17:04.17 | amro | heh |
| 17:04.31 | Cide | Napoleone: google printf |
| 17:04.33 | Lulia | Lopeppeppy: Well I suppose that's a good undergrowing then |
| 17:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, it's awesome excellent. Except I don't have the 500 bucks for another corset until I sell this one on. |
| 17:05.14 | Lulia | $500 corsets? O.o |
| 17:05.18 | Zasurus | 500 bucks! :-O |
| 17:05.27 | Ackis | bwaaa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6BmU49XG7w |
| 17:05.42 | Lunessa | Lulia: She's talking about a real corset, not those crappy things at your local stripper-shop |
| 17:06.10 | Lulia | I wouldn't know, the girls around here don't generally wear corsets :P |
| 17:06.23 | cog|work | hence Lunessa's appreciation ;) |
| 17:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | Something I can wear all day, and it doesn't bend into some funky $ shape like a cheap hooker's will. :) |
| 17:06.31 | Lunessa | See my earlier statement about the sad, sad, world in which you live. |
| 17:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Trust me, 400-500 is a good price range for something very good. |
| 17:06.50 | Lulia | Lunessa: I know :( |
| 17:07.55 | Lulia | But eh, if it's not what they enjoy it's not what they enjoy. :P |
| 17:09.54 | Lulia | link your channel, cog? |
| 17:10.00 | Cide | he already did |
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| 17:10.01 | cog|work | i did :P |
| 17:10.01 | Cide | wake up |
| 17:10.14 | Lulia | d'oh |
| 17:10.24 | Nobgul | im awake |
| 17:10.27 | Nobgul | oh not me |
| 17:13.10 | Napoleone | i just want a number returned with max 2 decimals |
| 17:13.37 | Cide | google printf and it's there |
| 17:13.43 | Napoleone | not for me |
| 17:13.46 | Cide | I looked at the documentation today just in fact |
| 17:13.50 | Napoleone | i get reference to c+ |
| 17:13.55 | Cide | dude, I looked it up in school less than 3 hours ago |
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| 17:13.56 | Napoleone | and delphi |
| 17:14.03 | Cide | well guess what, it's the same syntax as in c++ |
| 17:14.06 | Cide | and as in c |
| 17:14.25 | Cide | in fact I bet it's the same function call internally |
| 17:14.33 | Lulia | :P |
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| 17:23.51 | Lulia | hi! |
| 17:25.17 | Lulia | cog|work: http://www.youtube.com/user/ChocoGoob?feature=mhum |
| 17:25.21 | Lulia | that's my channel |
| 17:26.21 | Lulia | I actually have 2 sc2 vids there >.> but it's mostly WoW stuff. However, I might do some other SC2 stuff later. Who knows. I'm an average SC2 player at best, but I love hearing myself talk apparently |
| 17:26.43 | cog|work | I know the feeling ;) |
| 17:27.00 | Nobgul | Lulia: You should apply to tankspot to replace some of the people who talk in the videos |
| 17:28.17 | Lulia | I'm not in a hard-core progression guild, so I don't usually see the fights before they do. Hopefully that will change in Cata, we'll see. Either way, I'm not really any better than they are :P, but I'm not awful either. I've been putting stuff up on TankSpot for a bit now but they haven't decided to make me an author. *shrugs* |
| 17:28.27 | Lulia | As long as people are helped by the vids, that's all that matters. |
| 17:29.25 | Lulia | I started with the Holy Pally vid guide because TankSpot didn't have a Holy pally guide. But my first actual vid guide ended up being for Trash in RS because people were wiping on it but TS wasn't covering it since they just tend to do bosses. |
| 17:30.01 | Lulia | Am I the only one who thinks the new tree of life form looks dumb? |
| 17:30.07 | Lulia | Thank god you can glyph it |
| 17:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, holy paladin. |
| 17:31.39 | Lulia | I find it amusing that Gahz'rilla has twice as many views as any of the other elemental invasion bosses |
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| 17:31.45 | Lulia | You play one, Lopeppeppy? :D |
| 17:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's been my favorite healing class for a while. |
| 17:32.28 | Cide | what about priests? :( |
| 17:32.33 | Lulia | It's my only one at level 80, but I've loved it. |
| 17:32.40 | Lulia | healing that is |
| 17:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy the Priestess is next, Cide. |
| 17:33.04 | Lulia | I actually like the 4.0.1 changes for my pally |
| 17:33.10 | Cide | priests r 4 prayer |
| 17:33.19 | Cide | s/priests/prisets/ |
| 17:34.04 | Lulia | hehehehe |
| 17:37.08 | Shirik | ok what exactly is the definition of lightweight? |
| 17:37.18 | Lulia | In what context? |
| 17:37.27 | Shirik | Because seriously the addons I'm seeing that are "lightweight" are extremely complex |
| 17:37.33 | Shirik | We should start calling auctioneer lightweight |
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| 17:37.37 | Lulia | heh |
| 17:37.43 | foxlit | Yes you should. |
| 17:37.55 | Lulia | I think my addon that hides the Blizz Compact Raid Frames is less than 1kb |
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| 17:38.41 | Lulia | damn, it's 4kb |
| 17:38.59 | haste | *facepalms* |
| 17:39.26 | Shirik | also, UIs that include auctioneer are minimalistic |
| 17:39.37 | Lulia | ;) |
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| 17:40.57 | Predicate | I thought that term applied to any UI that hides the default main bar. Or was it just the gryphons? |
| 17:41.09 | Predicate | I can never keep track of fads. |
| 17:42.53 | Lulia | Well, from a stylistic standpoint, the term minimalistic can often refer to a main UI (when you're in combat or just wandering the world) that is visually pruned to only show a bare minimum of information. It might not be what everyone thinks of when they think of minimalistic, but I can see some people thinking of it that way. |
| 17:46.02 | Predicate | Sure, but that's the difference between "looking minimalistic" and "being minimalistic". |
| 17:47.51 | dardack | or minimalistic could basically be blizz's ui |
| 17:47.54 | Lulia | That's true enough. A more precise categorization would be "minimalistic appearance" and "minimalistic cpu" |
| 17:47.56 | dardack | i think diff people have diff meanings |
| 17:48.06 | Cide | minimalistic cpu? |
| 17:48.14 | Cide | that's the most disgusting term I've heard yet |
| 17:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | My CPU stands about 20 inches tall, I think... would that be minimalistic? |
| 17:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | has to laugh. |
| 17:48.39 | dardack | shirik what addon that claims it's lightweight isn't? |
| 17:48.47 | Shirik | I'd rather not say :) |
| 17:48.53 | Cide | ctra |
| 17:48.58 | Shirik | I'm not one to lash out at individual addons |
| 17:49.11 | Shirik | well, publically at least |
| 17:49.22 | Cide | pm me |
| 17:49.23 | Cide | gogo |
| 17:49.25 | dardack | hmmm |
| 17:49.27 | dardack | yea me too |
| 17:49.27 | Shirik | no |
| 17:49.29 | Shirik | you know why |
| 17:49.34 | Shirik | because you won't play SC with me |
| 17:49.35 | Cide | I would lash it out |
| 17:49.36 | foxlit | [it is ctra!] |
| 17:49.44 | Cide | hey we played just a day ago |
| 17:49.48 | Shirik | no |
| 17:49.51 | durcyn | the whole mindset of smaller memory footprints or lower cpu usage is retarded anyway, so you ripped the configuration out, your poorly written shitpile still leaks memory like a godamn sieve |
| 17:49.53 | Shirik | maybe like 3-4 days ago |
| 17:49.53 | Cide | yes we did |
| 17:49.58 | Cide | well you're so afk |
| 17:49.59 | durcyn | it's premature optimization writ stupid |
| 17:50.01 | Shirik | no u |
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| 17:50.26 | Predicate | durcyn++ |
| 17:50.35 | dardack | i didn' tthink mine leaked like a sieve, more like a slow drip |
| 17:50.51 | Predicate | Good code is good code. Minimalism (in the sense of only doing what needs to be done) is a property of good code. |
| 17:51.14 | Cide | stop talking minimalism |
| 17:51.17 | Cide | good code is good code |
| 17:51.26 | Cide | if it does little or if it does much is irrelevant |
| 17:51.32 | dardack | only reason i added garbagefu like code to my addon was i didn' tlike the broker addon, it would cause me to lag 2-5 seconds when looting |
| 17:51.38 | durcyn | but it has to run on an 8088, Cide |
| 17:51.40 | dardack | so i'm sure my code isn't good code |
| 17:51.46 | dardack | but it doesn't lag me |
| 17:51.57 | Shirik | funny thing |
| 17:52.18 | Shirik | there is only one addon so far that I've seen that was developed with a process model that I can agree with |
| 17:52.21 | Shirik | 2 if you count libraries |
| 17:52.32 | dardack | yea don't look at my crap |
| 17:52.35 | Cide | what about "write shit and see what happens" |
| 17:52.52 | Shirik | that does not qualify for "process model I can agree with" |
| 17:52.58 | Shirik | I'm not even sure it qualifies for "process model" |
| 17:52.58 | Cide | it's my model |
| 17:53.06 | dardack | think it's my model too |
| 17:53.07 | Cide | except I already know what happens |
| 17:53.12 | Cide | it's just a matter of writing really |
| 17:53.14 | dardack | trial and error |
| 17:53.24 | Kraftman | which event is fied when a battlground ends? |
| 17:53.34 | Cide | the /dteventtrace event |
| 17:53.44 | Kraftman | fired* |
| 17:53.46 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:53.49 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 17:53.49 | Cide | you're fired, yes |
| 17:54.04 | durcyn | where did you kill him, Fisker |
| 17:54.08 | dardack | yes fisker you tell us at least 5 times a day |
| 17:54.25 | Fisker | in a dream durcyn |
| 17:54.45 | durcyn | tell me more about your dreams |
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| 18:00.07 | Lulia | Hmm, I think that the problem I'm running into is due to the fact that even though Spell A doesn't have a flight time, it's damage event doesn't fire before the cast event for Spell B occurs. However, for some reason, Spell A is removed from the table and thus Spell B is moved to the first position. Thus it does a comparison when Spell A's damage event fires to check if the damaging spell is equal to the first spell in the table, |
| 18:00.42 | Lulia | The odd thing, though, is that the spell shouldn't be removed from the table unless it falls under 1 of 3 different conditions: it does damage, it misses, or the spellcast is stopped. |
| 18:01.50 | Predicate | What happens if the spellcast is stopped and the spell still lands, due to latency? |
| 18:01.52 | Cide | lua very rarely does odd things |
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| 18:02.36 | durcyn | you're dealing with the oldest and buggiest events in the wow engine, assume they will always be broken |
| 18:02.37 | Shirik | Cide, fyi, xbmc is awesome |
| 18:02.48 | Cide | you just haven't investigated the code flow completely |
| 18:02.56 | Cide | it's actually been recoded recently, durcyn |
| 18:03.13 | Cide | it's just messy because of server-client communication limitations |
| 18:03.16 | Cide | and latency etc |
| 18:03.17 | durcyn | the SPELL_foo crap? huh, now they just need to un-fuck SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN |
| 18:03.20 | Cide | Shirik: xbmc? |
| 18:03.32 | Shirik | xbox media center |
| 18:03.33 | Cide | seems to be some media center |
| 18:03.40 | Shirik | I'm putting it into a car |
| 18:03.43 | Cide | I don't have an xbox and why do I need a media center |
| 18:03.46 | Shirik | nono |
| 18:03.47 | Shirik | no xbox |
| 18:03.53 | Shirik | it's going on an embedded computer |
| 18:04.00 | Cide | why is it called xbox media center then |
| 18:04.04 | Cide | and not ecmc |
| 18:04.07 | Shirik | because it was originally developed for xbox |
| 18:04.11 | Cide | fail |
| 18:04.13 | Shirik | and now it works on practically everything |
| 18:04.21 | Cide | that's cool though |
| 18:04.40 | Shirik | I need to figure out how to tie the MPG estimates to the progress bar though |
| 18:05.42 | Lulia | Cide: how would you suggest investigating the code flow? I've done all sorts of print statements for when events fire and such. |
| 18:06.08 | Cide | print more |
| 18:06.13 | Cide | or ask Shirik to finish his lua in lua |
| 18:06.22 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:06.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:06.26 | Shirik | that's going to take some time still |
| 18:06.27 | Fisker | xbmc SUCKS |
| 18:06.36 | Cide | I realized it's going to be messy |
| 18:06.37 | Fisker | even more than my "once killed a guy" story |
| 18:06.51 | Cide | extremely messy rather |
| 18:06.54 | Shirik | Fisker: But you have to admit your "once killed a guy" story is pretty good |
| 18:06.59 | Shirik | so that's a really high standard to live up to |
| 18:07.18 | Cide | what |
| 18:07.26 | Cide | you hold his "once killed a guy" story to a high standard |
| 18:07.28 | Cide | fail |
| 18:08.28 | Lulia | I need to figure out why the code is deleting the spell from the table before the damage event, more or less. I guess I should start by seeing when the function that removes stuff from the table is called. |
| 18:08.31 | Shirik | Cide :P |
| 18:08.42 | Cide | Lulia: sounds like a good plan |
| 18:08.44 | Shirik | You need to think harder |
| 18:08.50 | Cide | I do? |
| 18:08.54 | Fisker | oh no Shirik |
| 18:09.03 | Shirik | Either he has to admit his once killed a guy story is full of fail and reject my praise |
| 18:09.07 | Shirik | or he has to admit xbmc is awesome |
| 18:09.15 | Cide | not really |
| 18:09.23 | Cide | oh |
| 18:09.24 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:09.27 | Cide | actually no |
| 18:09.28 | Fisker | Shirik that was my point |
| 18:09.34 | Fisker | so the joke's on you |
| 18:09.36 | Cide | he stated that xbmc is worse than his story |
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| 18:09.47 | Shirik | SHUT UP |
| 18:09.50 | Cide | so you thought enough to realize your idea was full of fail |
| 18:09.57 | Cide | you should |
| 18:09.59 | Cide | you know |
| 18:10.00 | Cide | think harder |
| 18:10.04 | Maldivia | I'm loving the new free form input in mathematica 8 ! :) |
| 18:10.11 | mitchnull | try to |
| 18:10.12 | mitchnull | use |
| 18:10.14 | mitchnull | your enter |
| 18:10.16 | mitchnull | key |
| 18:10.16 | mitchnull | less |
| 18:10.37 | Cide | I was deliberately pausing to let it sink in in Shirik's evidently slow moving brain |
| 18:11.33 | Fisker | i'm so awesome Cide |
| 18:11.44 | Cide | arguably not |
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| 18:12.35 | Lulia | Wow, that's odd |
| 18:12.45 | Lulia | So UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP also fires when the spellcast succeeds |
| 18:12.50 | Lulia | I guess that makes sense... |
| 18:12.58 | Lulia | But it throws a wrench in everything O.o |
| 18:13.12 | Cide | no, only in your design |
| 18:13.57 | Lulia | Well, I mean, I don't think there's even a way for me to distinguish why stop fires |
| 18:13.59 | durcyn | why does your addon even care about starts and stops, what are you tracking? |
| 18:14.08 | Lulia | Yes, durcyn |
| 18:14.15 | Cide | track that yes |
| 18:14.45 | Lulia | I suppose I could make a variable that changes when success fires and resets when cast starts |
| 18:15.00 | Lulia | And if it's equal to the truth value of success firing when I enter stop |
| 18:15.03 | durcyn | if you'd actually say what you're trying to do instead of complaining that it doesn't work, i'm sure someone here would get tired of hearing it and fix it for you |
| 18:15.06 | Cide | good boy/girl/whatever |
| 18:15.28 | Predicate | durcyn: If that worked, someone would have fixed Fisker by now. |
| 18:15.30 | Lulia | I have no desire to have it fixed for me, durcyn, but I appreciate the help in thought process |
| 18:15.32 | durcyn | stop trying to explain your broken logic and just state what problem you're trying to solve with the addon |
| 18:15.47 | Lulia | I'm definitely a dude, but I use my char name, which is a female name. |
| 18:15.55 | Lulia | I'm no worse than Lunessa! |
| 18:15.56 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:16.04 | Cide | hey |
| 18:16.06 | Cide | Lunessa is awesome |
| 18:16.14 | Lulia | Well, see, you can't judge me then! |
| 18:16.14 | Cide | don't hold yourself to his standard |
| 18:16.17 | Lulia | aww |
| 18:16.20 | Lulia | :( |
| 18:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa. |
| 18:18.03 | Cide | Maldivia: free form input? |
| 18:18.11 | Fisker | plays the con air music while jumping cars and sh it |
| 18:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | thinks her lurv list is long today. |
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| 18:19.27 | Fisker | my curb list is pretty long too |
| 18:19.53 | Ackis | what's a lurv list? |
| 18:20.02 | Fisker | what's an Ackis list |
| 18:20.10 | Fisker | ? |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik | lurvs Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | \o/ |
| 18:22.17 | Ackis | Fisker: an ackis recipe list? |
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| 18:22.32 | Cide | oh fuck me |
| 18:22.45 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 18:22.45 | Cide | school's forcing me to get eclipse |
| 18:22.47 | Fisker | and Ackis list |
| 18:22.54 | Fisker | i once forced you Cide |
| 18:23.03 | Shirik | Cide: Welcome to academia |
| 18:23.08 | Shirik | Want to hear something worse? |
| 18:23.12 | Shirik | I have 3 installs of eclipse right now |
| 18:23.18 | Cide | fun stuff |
| 18:23.22 | Shirik | One for Java, one for AADL, and one for DSP |
| 18:23.30 | foxlit | "installs" |
| 18:23.35 | Shirik | because everyone except actual developers think eclipse is a good IDE |
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| 18:23.56 | Cide | I can't place what I hate so much about it though |
| 18:23.58 | Cide | but it's nasty |
| 18:25.21 | Cide | brb |
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| 18:27.54 | Cide | it's like every time I boot into windows adobe wants to install some shitty update |
| 18:28.13 | foxlit | so they're like firefox |
| 18:28.21 | Cide | worse |
| 18:28.24 | Cide | but I don't use firefox |
| 18:29.12 | Fisker | inception was kinda lulz Shirik |
| 18:29.27 | Shirik | no |
| 18:29.34 | Fisker | at the end when he reveals his secret i was like "wtf? i thought that was implied" |
| 18:29.36 | Shirik | if it were firefox, it would want to install some shitty update and take 2GB to do it |
| 18:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | If it were Java, it would crash while doing it. |
| 18:30.13 | nicoli_s | sounds like SC2, where every patch adds a gig to your folder |
| 18:30.13 | Cide | he reveals a secret in the end? |
| 18:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | If it were iphone OS 4.1, it would crash AND require a wipe and re-install. |
| 18:30.33 | Cide | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 18:30.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still grumpy about that from last night, can you tell? Grrrrrr. |
| 18:30.50 | Cide | what have we learned? |
| 18:30.56 | Cide | don't be like Shirik and get an android instead |
| 18:31.06 | nicoli_s | get a windows phone 7! |
| 18:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | *blows raspberries* |
| 18:31.53 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:31.55 | Fisker | LOL WITH ME |
| 18:33.09 | dardack | sigh i think i need to reinstall winxp at work |
| 18:33.15 | dardack | teatimer not working right |
| 18:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | teatimer is a craptastic resource hog. |
| 18:34.49 | dardack | yes but i'm paranoid |
| 18:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | I forget if it's for Ad Aware or SpyBot... which AV program is it? |
| 18:35.03 | dardack | it's to warn you when registry key schange |
| 18:35.07 | dardack | and to etiher allow or deny |
| 18:35.12 | Lopeppeppy | I think that's spybot then. |
| 18:35.31 | Gnarfoz | (it is) |
| 18:35.43 | dardack | it's part of SpyBot |
| 18:35.47 | dardack | but separate process |
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| 18:36.15 | Fisker | Kaelten |
| 18:36.19 | Fisker | why do you still hate me? |
| 18:37.22 | Lulia | Wait, there are people who don't hate you?? |
| 18:37.23 | Lulia | ;) |
| 18:37.33 | Lopeppeppy | I am actually somewhat fond of Fisker. |
| 18:37.41 | Lulia | I was joking! :( |
| 18:38.19 | Lopeppeppy | But eerily accurate, Fisker is the favored troll who loves to be hated. |
| 18:38.26 | Lulia | I'm a poor humorist |
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| 18:39.56 | jnwhiteh | God damnit |
| 18:40.03 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard changed spell resolution again. |
| 18:40.20 | Lulia | huh? |
| 18:40.45 | Gnarfoz | (wasn't that in the patch notes?) |
| 18:40.52 | Lulia | You mean for spell icons? |
| 18:41.17 | jnwhiteh | no. |
| 18:41.24 | jnwhiteh | The resolution of spell names. |
| 18:41.30 | Gnarfoz | the patch notes thing was about which spell gets used when you're not /entirely/ accurate with the spell name, in a macro |
| 18:41.43 | Lulia | Ah |
| 18:42.17 | Gnarfoz | (or when you can't be, because multiple spells share a name, if they still haven't got rid of all of those cases) |
| 18:42.22 | jnwhiteh | Yes. |
| 18:42.24 | jnwhiteh | its so terrible. |
| 18:42.27 | jnwhiteh | shit just breaks now. |
| 18:42.28 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:42.34 | Lulia | Poor jn |
| 18:42.48 | jnwhiteh | poor my users |
| 18:43.19 | Gnarfoz | display an error message each time it happens: "It's Blizzard's fault!" |
| 18:44.06 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 18:44.09 | foxlit | "jnwhiteh: shit just breaks now." << shit just broke before, too |
| 18:44.15 | foxlit | What's the actual change? :) |
| 18:44.18 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 18:44.21 | jnwhiteh | Sunfire can't ever be cast |
| 18:44.23 | jnwhiteh | except by action id |
| 18:44.24 | Lulia | Which addon, jnwhiteh? Or do you mean for your guide |
| 18:44.26 | jnwhiteh | as far as I can tell. |
| 18:44.33 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: what guide are you talking about? |
| 18:44.40 | Lulia | the book? |
| 18:44.51 | foxlit | They messed up with that talent, really. |
| 18:44.51 | jnwhiteh | this has to do with WoW =) |
| 18:44.52 | jnwhiteh | that's it |
| 18:44.55 | Lulia | Ah |
| 18:45.14 | foxlit | Should've just made Moonfire behave like frostfire bolt |
| 18:46.40 | Lulia | Hey Cide, I think that fixed it :) |
| 18:49.06 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:49.10 | Lulia | oh dang, it's only partially fixed. Well, least I'm closer. I'll figure it out :) |
| 18:49.16 | Lulia | pushes Fisker off of a building. |
| 18:53.07 | Fisker | jokes on you Lulia |
| 18:53.13 | Fisker | i'll just go up another dream level |
| 18:53.24 | Lulia | :P |
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| 18:54.03 | Lulia | Oh ho, an interesting revelation. Starfire doesn't seem to fire UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEED upon a successful completion of the cast, just UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP |
| 18:55.16 | Lulia | Oh... my print statement just isn't working. Nevermind! |
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| 19:07.56 | Lulia | There we go, I fixed it :) |
| 19:08.25 | Lulia | Now I just have to figure out how to deal with instant starsurge procs and I should be ready to move on to the next step. :D |
| 19:09.07 | Lulia | I guess I can bring back the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT just for Starsurge :) |
| 19:15.23 | jnwhiteh | wrath is not generating lunar energy |
| 19:15.24 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 19:16.13 | Lulia | huh? |
| 19:17.04 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I heard you're quirky :P |
| 19:17.46 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: Video: Eric Schmidt Talk at Web 2.0 Online, with Nexus S http://goo.gl/fb/iO2db #android |
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| 19:18.29 | mitchnull | web 2.0 is teh evil |
| 19:19.02 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:19.20 | Lulia | GetSpellInfo(93399) and GetSpellInfo(93398) both return rank 1 for shooting stars |
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| 19:20.33 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-fallout-new-vegas-made-me-worse-person/ |
| 19:25.38 | Cide | Humbedooh |
| 19:25.43 | Cide | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsql/ |
| 19:25.45 | Cide | is this your doing |
| 19:25.47 | Humbedooh | what'd I do now :( |
| 19:26.04 | Humbedooh | will say nothing!! NOTHING! |
| 19:26.10 | Cide | is that your doing |
| 19:26.16 | Humbedooh | maybe :( |
| 19:26.20 | Cide | because that's the fucking stupidest idea ever |
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| 19:26.41 | Humbedooh | I've done stuff that's worse :> |
| 19:26.47 | Cide | no, you haven't |
| 19:26.57 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsvg-1-0/ ! |
| 19:27.15 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libhtml/ ! |
| 19:27.31 | Humbedooh | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libspreadsheet/ ! |
| 19:27.42 | Cide | yes those are also stupid but not as stupid |
| 19:29.29 | Predicate | Do you actually maintain any of those? I shudder to think that someone might use them in real addons... |
| 19:29.46 | Humbedooh | ofc I do |
| 19:30.10 | Lulia | Hmm, Predicate, you were right earlier. That's an issue |
| 19:30.14 | Humbedooh | I know uhm... 4 addons that use the spreadsheet one and 1 that uses the svg :> |
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| 19:30.49 | alestane | Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-22459.html |
| 19:31.07 | cbreak | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/16/the-inevitable-taiwa.html |
| 19:31.15 | Lunessa | alestane: Avoiding Denny's is usually a good plan. |
| 19:31.33 | Lulia | If I have it stop the cast just before it finishes |
| 19:31.45 | Lulia | UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP fires, but sometimes the cast still "finishes" |
| 19:32.34 | Lulia | I'm not even sure how I would deal with that. |
| 19:33.57 | Lulia | Hmm, well, in that instance, STOP fires before SUCCEEDED |
| 19:34.01 | Lulia | Could use that to my advantage |
| 19:35.00 | Lulia | But then I have to use a timer to track whether or not succeed fires X milliseconds after stop, otherwise remove it from the table |
| 19:35.03 | Lulia | Which is sort of wonky |
| 19:35.25 | Predicate | I suppose you can't wait until the next cast starts to remove things from your table? |
| 19:35.53 | durcyn | you still haven't explained why you think you have to track starts and stops to accomplish what you're trying to do |
| 19:35.54 | Predicate | that way latency wouldn't be a factor, since the spellcast *must* be finished before a new one starts |
| 19:36.24 | Lulia | That's true, Predicate. |
| 19:36.58 | Lulia | I could label the spell as "Stopped" |
| 19:37.01 | Lulia | in its Action flag |
| 19:37.21 | Lulia | And then remove all "Stopped" spells from the table when a new cast is started |
| 19:37.37 | Lulia | That's clever, I like it :) |
| 19:38.00 | Lulia | durcyn: I'm adding an eclipse predicter setting for my Power Bars addon, based on the concept from Balance Power Tracker |
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| 19:38.26 | Lulia | Thus I need to know what spells are being cast and might be "in flight" but not yet registered to real eclipse to give a "predicted eclipse" value |
| 19:38.44 | durcyn | then use START and SUCCEEDED. |
| 19:38.53 | durcyn | or success or whatever it's called nowadays |
| 19:39.03 | Lulia | I already have it setup, durcyn |
| 19:39.10 | Lulia | I'm confused as to what your suggestion is referrign to |
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| 19:39.14 | Lulia | referring* |
| 19:39.37 | Ackis | alert: I'm wearing a snuggie now |
| 19:39.43 | Lulia | ... |
| 19:39.51 | durcyn | i assume you have a bar you're tinting when a one of the spells starts casting, and you're removing it when the cast is aborted? |
| 19:39.56 | Dagmar | We dont' care what team you play for. |
| 19:40.01 | Lulia | Nope, durcyn |
| 19:40.10 | durcyn | well then you've already passed my attention span |
| 19:40.42 | Lulia | I haven't actually put predicted eclipse in yet, but it will be a yellow text box, and users will have the option to have the eclipse image show prematurely if predicted eclipse reaches 100 |
| 19:41.35 | Lulia | But right now I want to make sure my spell table system works properly first. It does, for the most part, with some small issues that I'm fixing. In theory, this issue with the spell stopping but still casting should be the last issue |
| 19:41.48 | Lulia | And then it should work smoothly and I can move on to the predicted eclipse stuff :) |
| 19:41.59 | durcyn | i'm sure you'll keep us posted. |
| 19:42.21 | Lulia | I like to, I'm sorry if you find it annoying :-/ |
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| 20:03.40 | TC-Work | i hate you all |
| 20:03.44 | Lulia | Love you too |
| 20:10.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Nice link. |
| 20:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* I try to please. Want some viagra? |
| 20:18.31 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://apps.facebook.com/projectlegacy/ |
| 20:22.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Dorothy! Come save my house from blowing away! I'm melting, I'm melting. |
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| 20:24.51 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I don't need any. *wink* |
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| 20:27.32 | alestane | feels like he shouldn't feel so confused... |
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| 20:29.05 | Angayelle | hai |
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| 20:29.41 | Angayelle | i found the origin of my memory leak in my addon, anyone care to have a look at the incriminated function http://wowuidev.pastey.net/143036 |
| 20:29.59 | Angayelle | cause i don(t see what could be |
| 20:30.11 | nevcairiel | you create that table every time again |
| 20:30.15 | nevcairiel | move the table above the function |
| 20:30.41 | Lulia | ugh, wowhead gave me an incorrect buff id! |
| 20:31.11 | Angayelle | oh thanks nev |
| 20:31.47 | Lulia | wowhead had shooting stars rank 2 as 93399 |
| 20:31.55 | Lulia | But the game has it as 93400 |
| 20:32.03 | nevcairiel | maybe it changed today? |
| 20:32.24 | Cide | or maybe there are two |
| 20:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort alestane |
| 20:32.41 | purl | There, there, alestane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:32.41 | Cide | or maybe wowhead is 0-indexed |
| 20:32.46 | nevcairiel | 93399 gives me Shooting Stars Rank 1 |
| 20:32.50 | nevcairiel | (there are ranks? :P) |
| 20:32.55 | Lulia | It's a talent |
| 20:32.59 | Lulia | So yeah, there's still ranks |
| 20:33.13 | Lulia | And yeah, when I put 93399 in the game |
| 20:33.15 | Lulia | it returns rank 1 |
| 20:33.21 | Lulia | But so does 93398 |
| 20:34.05 | Cide | so maybe the tooltip is bugged |
| 20:34.20 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=93400 |
| 20:34.22 | Lulia | wowhead reports rank one as being 93398 and rank 2 as being 93399, but that wasnt working so I hit the UnitBuff function when the buff proceed and got 93400 |
| 20:34.32 | Lulia | hmm |
| 20:34.35 | Cide | that's because one spell is the talent |
| 20:34.39 | Cide | 93400 is the buff |
| 20:34.43 | Lulia | ugh |
| 20:34.43 | Lulia | :x |
| 20:34.58 | Lulia | is with stupid. |
| 20:35.29 | alestane | I was okay until you started bringing the Wizard of Oz into things. |
| 20:35.43 | alestane | Of course, I think I also missed the link in question. |
| 20:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | It was unrelated to the link, which was in an entirely other venue. Lunessa and I seem to have onion-conversations, lots of layers! |
| 20:37.14 | Lunessa | My mind is like a random association exercise. |
| 20:38.29 | Lopeppeppy | Magic wand. |
| 20:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | plays along. |
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| 20:40.41 | Lulia | Hmm, does anyone know if Shooting Stars changes the spell id of Starsurge? |
| 20:40.46 | Lulia | Or if there's a way I can find out? |
| 20:40.47 | Cide | two beavers are better than one |
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| 20:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 20:41.24 | Lulia | ? |
| 20:41.36 | Cide | cast the spell and see what spell id it feeds you |
| 20:41.43 | Lopeppeppy | won't they argue about how high to build the dam, Cide? |
| 20:41.50 | nevcairiel | spell ids dont change from talents |
| 20:42.21 | Lulia | Oh, I think I figured out what I did wrong. And it's completely unrrelated! |
| 20:42.26 | Lulia | Story of my programming life |
| 20:42.44 | Cide | story of my son |
| 20:42.50 | Cide | err |
| 20:43.36 | cog|work | i wonder how much SC2 tech made it into cataclysm... The new water strikes me as very similar to the water in SC2, and it also seems like there is some much better pathing for large groups of npcs (like all the guys who fight with you in the worgen starting area) |
| 20:43.40 | mikma | hehe... "torture my inner soul and outer body" |
| 20:43.52 | Lulia | So, I was trying to check for the firing of an event in an if statement where the event wasn't included in the initial list to see if I should continue down that path. |
| 20:44.00 | alestane | My friends in high school used to basically try to outweird each other. It took me a while to figure out that they didn't really make any more sense to each other than they did to me, and the whole "you just don't get it" pose was part of the game. |
| 20:44.24 | Lulia | cog|work: I believe Blizzard shares a lot between games. Icons, engines, etc... :P |
| 20:44.31 | Cide | programmers |
| 20:44.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cheetos. |
| 20:44.55 | cog|work | Lulia: no doubt. I'm just curious about the specifics :) |
| 20:45.04 | Cide | hamsters? |
| 20:45.12 | Lulia | Could always ask Blizz :P |
| 20:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | mm-mm, ferrets nowadays |
| 20:45.44 | cbreak | cog|work: unlike SC2, wow cataclysm actually runs smooth on my machine |
| 20:45.53 | Lunessa | cog|work: The 'new' water in WoW has been kicking around in 3D spaces for a while now. some console games had similar water effects back in 2002. |
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| 20:46.14 | Cide | nah |
| 20:46.17 | cbreak | I can only run sc2 with lowest settings, but for WoW I can use high in almost all areas. |
| 20:46.23 | Cide | wow's graphics are revolutionary |
| 20:46.53 | pnorman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.55 | Lunessa | Cide: If by revolutionary you mean "Were invented in 1776" i'll buy that. |
| 20:47.04 | Cide | do it |
| 20:47.24 | Lulia | I like how one of the balance druid talents is named "Fungal Growth" |
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| 20:47.28 | Cide | wait what, pnorman? |
| 20:47.31 | Cide | that makes no sense whtasoever |
| 20:47.43 | Cide | s/whta/what/ |
| 20:52.47 | Lulia | Hmm, apparently procs that affect casts are removed before UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT is fired. Which isn't a major issue, I have a work around, just feels like a funky way to work it |
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| 21:05.27 | Lulia | Because we don't understand it, Lunessa :P |
| 21:05.53 | Nobgul | It could mean more weapons of mass destruction as well. |
| 21:05.55 | Lulia | Like, what if it's possible to destroy the earth by playing with that stuff? I don't know! Most physics is beyond what I learned. |
| 21:05.57 | Lunessa | Lulia: Well back to your dark caves, eating raw meat, grubs and all that too. |
| 21:06.07 | Nobgul | Lulia: It should be |
| 21:06.18 | Lopeppeppy | We can't destroy the earth. We may kill off all humankind, but I bet the earth will still exist. |
| 21:06.25 | Nobgul | When matter and antimatter meet it causes a explosion |
| 21:06.27 | Lunessa | Nobgul: We can already do that. As a practical matter, since the 1940s. |
| 21:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | And maybe it should be that way. If it winds up that way. Which it might. |
| 21:06.30 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy: >_< |
| 21:06.42 | Lulia | Well, I'm talking about beyond nuking everyone |
| 21:06.46 | Cide | ... |
| 21:06.54 | Cide | "not understanding" is like the basis of all of science |
| 21:06.59 | krka | meh, anti matter doesn't really cause chain reactions like regular nukes do |
| 21:07.08 | Cide | be glad you are sitting in front of a computer you antiscientist |
| 21:07.09 | krka | and yeah, anti matter is pld |
| 21:07.25 | Lulia | Hey now, Cide, I support science! |
| 21:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | I can do damage with laundry soap and fertilizer... it doesn't matter what the bombs are made out of, really. |
| 21:07.31 | Lulia | It doesn't mean the unknown isn't scary |
| 21:07.33 | Lulia | That's natural |
| 21:07.52 | Lulia | Peppy: What if the bomb could reignite a new big bang? O.o |
| 21:07.58 | krka | fertilizer? i 'ardly know 'er! |
| 21:08.12 | Zasurus | worries that Lopeppeppy intends to kill us all with the washing :-| |
| 21:08.22 | Cide | it will be decennia until they even have figured out how to even begin to formalize plans on getting energy from that stuff |
| 21:08.34 | Cide | right now it's doing the opposite by a massive magnitude |
| 21:08.36 | Lulia | :( |
| 21:08.53 | Cide | there will be plenty of incremental understanding going on on the way |
| 21:09.01 | krka | OH NOES CERN WILL MAEK BLACK HOLE AND EAT UP THE WHOLE GALAXY!!!!1111eleven |
| 21:09.14 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom! |
| 21:09.17 | Dagmar | Wait... so the fix for Ironforge's event not happening was just to punt it a head to the loot pinata stage? |
| 21:09.23 | Dagmar | Umm... I can deal with that. |
| 21:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a scary dinodrakeasaur! |
| 21:09.36 | Xyphoid | i'm not sure how antimatter could ever be cheap energy - dense energy storage, store |
| 21:09.37 | Zasurus | lol |
| 21:09.53 | Xyphoid | maybe if you found an antimatter asteroid floating around |
| 21:10.03 | Xyphoid | er, s/store/sure |
| 21:10.16 | cbreak | storing anti matter is tricky |
| 21:10.31 | cbreak | the guys at cern managed to create some anti matter atoms, but they were extremely short lived |
| 21:10.33 | Lunessa | I want cheaper, cleaner energy. I want the power to travel to near space affordably. I want all the things understanding anti-matter could bring. I'm willing to risk blowing up a few laboratories in the process. |
| 21:10.53 | Cide | no need to store |
| 21:11.10 | Cide | you don't store photons yet you have solar panels |
| 21:11.10 | Zasurus | Lunessa: can we move those labs a bit further away! ;-) |
| 21:11.12 | krka | basically, by colliding matter with antimatter, the matter is destroyed and replaced with energy |
| 21:11.21 | krka | by e=mc^2, that can be a lot of energy |
| 21:11.38 | Lunessa | Zasurus: No. You're stuck with CERN. You guys wanted the money and jobs when it was being built. So suck it up. |
| 21:11.49 | Cide | cern is awesome |
| 21:11.49 | Xyphoid | sure, but you have to make that antimatter first which at minimum takes as much energy as it releases later |
| 21:11.55 | krka | so just keep a bunch of hydrogon and antihydrogen separated, until you need the energy |
| 21:11.59 | Cide | we're lucky to have it in europe |
| 21:12.00 | cbreak | Cide: solar panels harvest energy from incidental photons |
| 21:12.01 | Lunessa | Cide: Yes, yes it is. |
| 21:12.10 | Cide | cbreak: naturally |
| 21:12.12 | cbreak | but there's no such thing as incidental anti matter |
| 21:12.14 | krka | right, but energy storage is the main problem we're having, i think |
| 21:12.16 | Cide | how do you know? |
| 21:12.33 | krka | that's why we're using gasoline instead of electricity in cars |
| 21:12.40 | cbreak | CERN is great. |
| 21:12.46 | Cide | yep, krka |
| 21:13.13 | cbreak | it's not the only main problem. |
| 21:13.19 | Lunessa | The universe has lots of energy in it. It's raining soup. We just don't have easy storage and access to most of it... yet. |
| 21:13.25 | krka | people are really overestimating the dangers of research facilities |
| 21:13.46 | krka | sure, some nuclear power plants have caused problems, but that's really quite different from physics research |
| 21:13.52 | cbreak | krka: people overvalue human life |
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| 21:13.55 | Ackis | it doesn't matter the world is ending in just over 2 years |
| 21:14.19 | Zasurus | :O I DC for a few seconds and now the world is ending! |
| 21:14.23 | cbreak | if there'd be an accident where some scientists are toasted in cern, it'd probably get into trouble |
| 21:14.30 | krka | last time someone died from physics research was probably in early 1900 when marie curie and her husband got radiation poisoning :P |
| 21:14.39 | cbreak | nah |
| 21:14.54 | Cide | what's more recent? |
| 21:14.57 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core |
| 21:15.00 | krka | don't think many people have died at cern at least |
| 21:15.03 | Dagmar | Well, her and pretty much ever lab assistant Herbert West ever had |
| 21:15.08 | krka | or the american accelerator, whatever it's called |
| 21:15.30 | cbreak | krka: there died quite a few people digging the new tunnel here in switzerland. But people still mostly like it :) |
| 21:15.38 | Cide | that's not science |
| 21:15.38 | cbreak | hypocrisies ftw. |
| 21:15.49 | cbreak | or how ever that's spelled. |
| 21:16.36 | Kraps | new episode of NCIS! |
| 21:16.38 | krka | i said research, not engineering :P |
| 21:16.43 | krka | engineering is dangerous, yes :) |
| 21:16.48 | krka | like sending people to the moon |
| 21:17.11 | kd3|netbook | what was the space exploration quote? "If we're not killing people every few years we're not trying hard enough"? |
| 21:18.13 | krka | substitute people with ethnic groups and you've got a hitler quote! |
| 21:19.35 | cbreak | "let's kill a million of jews and one clown!"? |
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| 21:20.59 | Kraps | what did the clown do wrong? |
| 21:21.40 | Kraps | (i'm jewish so i can say that) |
| 21:21.49 | cbreak | "see, no one cares about the jews". that's how the joke continues. |
| 21:22.31 | Kraps | ah, didnt know there was a third line |
| 21:22.50 | krka | i didn't know there was a third reich! |
| 21:23.31 | Kraps | when were the first and second? |
| 21:23.38 | cbreak | that's what I just thought as well. |
| 21:23.52 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, I go home now before I need bail money in a serious way. TTFN! |
| 21:24.08 | Kraps | ... |
| 21:24.17 | Kraps | who did she kill? |
| 21:24.29 | Baps | krka: Fermilab in Batavia, IL |
| 21:24.49 | Lulia | So I'm assuming that the best way for me to handle the shooting stars issue from earlier is the timer then? |
| 21:24.59 | krka | Third Reich (German: Drittes Reich) denotes the Nazi state as a historical successor to the medieval Holy Roman Empire (962â1806) and to the modern German Empire (1871â1918). |
| 21:25.24 | krka | ah yes, it was fermilab i was thinking of |
| 21:26.08 | Lulia | It's the only solution I can think of, but it feels sort of inefficient |
| 21:26.34 | industrial | :@ load out of date addons resetting again :@ |
| 21:26.36 | Nobgul | Lulia: Its the only way i can think of. |
| 21:26.58 | Lulia | I guess that's what I'll do then. |
| 21:27.11 | Lulia | Gotta look at my rune timer to remember how I did it >.> |
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| 21:32.42 | Lulia | totally just typoed and typed: PowerBras |
| 21:32.44 | Lulia | >.> |
| 21:33.10 | olafski | hey guys, I'm getting a "attempt to index global 'this' (a nil value) on this piece of code (I think): http://pastie.org/1306771 .. anyone know what could be wrong with that? It worked up to the 4.X patches I think |
| 21:33.28 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/133527/if-bliard-delete-account-if-we-cancel |
| 21:34.30 | Dagmar | This is dead. |
| 21:35.20 | Lulia | what line, olafski? |
| 21:35.39 | Lulia | 11? |
| 21:35.54 | Lulia | Looks to be over my head, sorry :( |
| 21:35.54 | Fisker | i'm in a dream Dagmar |
| 21:35.56 | Fisker | within a dream |
| 21:36.09 | Baps | try replacing 'this' with 'self' |
| 21:36.17 | Baps | this was removed in 4.0.1 |
| 21:36.25 | Lulia | ah |
| 21:36.27 | olafski | lulia: it did actually say line 1 of the onload script, but I guess you're right :) |
| 21:36.30 | olafski | baps: thanks! |
| 21:36.40 | Lulia | I would have guessed that, but guesses don't make for good instruction |
| 21:36.41 | Lulia | ;) |
| 21:36.59 | Baps | self should work in that particular context |
| 21:37.03 | Lulia | I didn't do addons before 4.0.1 so I didnt know about "this" |
| 21:37.09 | Lulia | Always nice to learn |
| 21:37.25 | olafski | excellent, errors gone! thanks baps :) |
| 21:38.39 | Kraps | Fisker: you need to go deeper |
| 21:38.50 | Kraps | thats what your mom said |
| 21:42.28 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 21:43.45 | Lulia | If I hide a frame, does it complete the script in its SetScript event function before it actually hides it? As in... in this: http://paste.wowace.com/2870/ would it run: PowerBars.ShootingStars.ProcTime = Countdown + 1; twice? |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | the onupdate doesnt magically cancel be cause the frame was hidden |
| 21:44.54 | Predicate | That function should execute completely, it just won't be called again while the frame is hidden. |
| 21:45.16 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 21:45.36 | Lulia | so I dont need that second call of the statement |
| 21:46.06 | Lulia | :) |
| 21:47.19 | Lulia | Hmm, I keep typoing == as an assignment. I need to stop doing that >.> |
| 21:48.39 | Lulia | omg, I think my timer worked first shot |
| 21:49.54 | Lulia | You guys have been an awesome help today |
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| 21:50.44 | dardack | having 4 letters missing from your windows xp sticker when reinstalling sux the big one |
| 21:51.13 | Predicate | On the bright side, that's not too much to brute force... |
| 21:51.21 | dardack | nope |
| 21:51.34 | dardack | eh wish i could use linux at work personally |
| 21:54.41 | dardack | oh well think i'm finally all reset up, only took 3.5hrs |
| 21:55.13 | olafski | hm. Skadi regenerates in the air? :s |
| 21:55.33 | dardack | hmmm? you can hit him before he takes off? |
| 21:55.44 | olafski | I mean grauf actually |
| 21:55.46 | dardack | i solod that thing 194 times and not sure you could hit him before he took off |
| 21:56.21 | olafski | it's taking us ages now since we're only shooting 1 harpoon at a time |
| 21:56.29 | dardack | why only 1 at a time? |
| 21:56.38 | dardack | get 3 and 1 person can do all 3 at once |
| 21:57.12 | Lulia | Hmm, if you miss a Wrath spell, does it count towards the sequence of gains? aka, Wrath gives 13 eclipse, 13 eclipse, 14 eclipse, then 13 and 13 and then 14 again? |
| 21:57.15 | dardack | and 2. maybe they are throwing the lance too early or too late |
| 21:57.19 | olafski | of course.. but one of them missed :P |
| 21:57.39 | dardack | not sure i haven't solo'd him since i got the mount |
| 21:57.42 | olafski | then we only got one per pass and threw it right away, saw him regenerate in air |
| 21:57.46 | dardack | and dont' do randoms much anymore |
| 21:58.10 | dardack | then just wait and get three before throwing again? and report it? |
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| 21:58.38 | dardack | lulia no idea |
| 21:58.40 | dardack | sorry |
| 21:58.42 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 21:59.13 | Lulia | Well, I assume if it doesn't give energy for a miss (which it doesnt) then it shouldnt. I'll just work from that assumption unless informed otherwise. |
| 21:59.23 | olafski | what class are you dardack? |
| 21:59.44 | dardack | DK yo, even tho they nerfing our self heals all the time, doubt i'll be able to solo mag25 at 85 at this rate |
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| 22:00.09 | foxlit | magwhatnow? |
| 22:00.23 | dardack | i keep changing mains every xpac (lock vanilla, shaman bc, dk now) but love love my dk so much i'm keeping him |
| 22:00.27 | dardack | magetharodon |
| 22:00.27 | olafski | hm I'm a DK too.. interesting, never thought of that possibility |
| 22:00.29 | dardack | i can't spell |
| 22:00.42 | foxlit | 25 is kind of redundant, then. |
| 22:00.43 | dardack | dude i make like 5-6k per week solo'ing old raids |
| 22:00.52 | dardack | ok but some people are dumb |
| 22:00.56 | dardack | esp on my server |
| 22:01.01 | dardack | you say mag and they are like wtf is that |
| 22:01.03 | dardack | 10/25 |
| 22:01.09 | dardack | i just want to slap em |
| 22:01.54 | olafski | 5-6k per week.. I get the feeling you can make that quicker just doing other stuff ;) |
| 22:01.54 | dardack | anyways mag can be done with the 4packs of 3 adds, in about 20-25 minutes for 500g gold and another 60-100g in vendor |
| 22:02.06 | dardack | 1. it gives me something to do |
| 22:02.14 | olafski | I doubt I can solo such raids though oO |
| 22:02.21 | olafski | I assume skadi only drops the mount on heroic? |
| 22:02.30 | dardack | 2. maybe, but i mean doesn't take me long to solo all of kz/aq20/zg/first 4 za |
| 22:02.36 | dardack | yes |
| 22:02.39 | dardack | only heroic |
| 22:02.57 | olafski | I tried the first boss in karazhan but couldn't even do that |
| 22:03.01 | dardack | frined of mine was trying to tell me it only drops if you do in the time limit achi, i told him he was wrong and 194 solo's later proved him wrong |
| 22:03.12 | dardack | dude he's easiest, took me 2 yrs to get mount |
| 22:03.29 | dardack | kz is easy 1k after AH/vendor/gold, even more, for like 1hr |
| 22:03.39 | olafski | hm that's not bad |
| 22:03.52 | olafski | are you very well geared then? I haven't really tried recently, but I don't think I can do it =( |
| 22:03.54 | nevcairiel | you can do skadi with 85, maybe :d |
| 22:03.54 | dardack | MC is longer but if Gole drops that ignot, i can make 2k easy on that |
| 22:04.04 | dardack | 85? |
| 22:04.29 | nevcairiel | if he cant even do karazhan now, he can do him at 85 :p |
| 22:04.47 | dardack | took me 2yrs to get baron's half of the bindings and saw garrs 9times even tho i stopped clearing for like 6 months at one point, and i've gotten the eye off rag 3 times wit same thing |
| 22:04.50 | dardack | baron just hates me |
| 22:04.59 | dardack | baron in strat 12k runs before buff 273 after on shaman |
| 22:05.07 | dardack | only 103 on DK |
| 22:05.23 | dardack | yea not if they keep nerfing our self heals |
| 22:05.32 | dardack | mag is much harder now and at 7% min heal |
| 22:05.33 | olafski | 12.. k runs? |
| 22:05.38 | dardack | not sure it will be even possible |
| 22:05.45 | olafski | that's persistence |
| 22:05.46 | dardack | yes over 12,000 runs on my shaman before the buff |
| 22:05.48 | nevcairiel | olafski: some people have no life to speak of :) |
| 22:05.50 | dardack | .01% drop rate |
| 22:05.55 | dardack | i didn't back then |
| 22:05.57 | dardack | i do now |
| 22:06.03 | foxlit | "dardack: not sure it will be even possible" << my heart goes out too... Oh. No, it doesn't. |
| 22:06.22 | dardack | hate foxlit |
| 22:06.29 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 22:06.42 | dardack | i love my DK, hero class solo class, and nerfing us, i mean w/e it's not like we're best tanks or best dps right now |
| 22:06.46 | dardack | so leave our solo'ing alone |
| 22:07.00 | dardack | well except AoE, HB is OP |
| 22:07.02 | foxlit | No, leave Britney alone! |
| 22:07.07 | dardack | i try |
| 22:07.09 | dardack | anyways |
| 22:07.12 | dardack | back to home |
| 22:07.49 | nevcairiel | its not meant to be a solo class :p |
| 22:08.01 | nevcairiel | people put too much on the "hero" class |
| 22:08.09 | foxlit | And the fact that it's called a "hero class" doesn't really mean anything in terms of balancing. |
| 22:08.15 | nevcairiel | its a freaking normal class that starts at 55 |
| 22:08.34 | foxlit | But, the larger problem is that old instance content drops outrageous amounts of gold past its level cap |
| 22:08.48 | nevcairiel | does it? |
| 22:09.03 | foxlit | You're welcome to continue soloing Mag, it just shouldn't have a financial reward that out-scales ordinary farming. |
| 22:09.31 | nevcairiel | you get about 20 gold per boss in zul gurub, that doesnt seem that much |
| 22:10.10 | nevcairiel | havent done any other old raids to compare |
| 22:10.21 | foxlit | "dardack: kz is easy 1k after AH/vendor/gold, even more, for like 1hr" |
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| 22:11.36 | nevcairiel | or so he claims |
| 22:11.40 | nevcairiel | honestly i dont see it |
| 22:13.32 | durcyn | i pull down 500g from loot and vendoring drops from setthek, mt, and zg, karazhand's easily that much if you clear it all |
| 22:13.37 | durcyn | -d |
| 22:16.13 | Ackis | so there's footage of a TSA person doing a body pat down on a 3 year old girl, and the girl is screaming "don't touch me" |
| 22:16.15 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNY_PTULO4 |
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| 22:16.39 | Cide | what a bitchy girl |
| 22:17.16 | Kraps | Cide: inorite |
| 22:17.23 | Cide | no seriously |
| 22:17.26 | Cide | she's 3 years old |
| 22:17.55 | Kraps | ok? |
| 22:18.18 | Cide | it's not like terrorists or drug smugglers would hesitate to hide stuff on a child |
| 22:18.25 | Lulia | Right |
| 22:18.33 | Lulia | But that's a problem of parents raising the kid |
| 22:18.42 | Cide | so either go stand in the camera or get a pat down |
| 22:18.42 | Lulia | as opposed to the kid being a problem |
| 22:18.43 | Cide | big deal |
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| 22:19.57 | Lulia | Watching the video right now. "Is there a better way?" yes. Parents need to raise their children better. |
| 22:19.58 | Lulia | Ugh |
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| 22:22.35 | batrick | Whatever, I'm not going in any body scanners. |
| 22:22.36 | Ackis | I'm actually surprised you're supporting the TSA on this... very surprised |
| 22:22.40 | batrick | I'd rather them molest me |
| 22:22.47 | Cide | how so? |
| 22:22.57 | Cide | the rules may be over the top but that guy isn't deciding the rules |
| 22:23.11 | Cide | either follow them or don't fly until they're changed |
| 22:23.30 | Ackis | they won't get changed until people start to stop following them |
| 22:23.31 | batrick | not flying isn't really an option |
| 22:23.38 | Cide | sure it is |
| 22:23.46 | Cide | you don't have a choice if you're not following them |
| 22:23.57 | Cide | Ackis: there are other ways to make a stand besides making a scene at an airport |
| 22:24.09 | Baps | if you have to fly for business, and you get groped, can you sue your employer for creating a hostile work environment? |
| 22:24.10 | batrick | not everything should be fought passively Cide |
| 22:24.21 | MoonWitch | There are also better ways to approach handling patting of children |
| 22:24.23 | Cide | it's not passive just because you're taking it up with the tsa instead of some random dude at an airport |
| 22:24.26 | Ackis | they weren't making a scene, a 3 year old was having her vagina touched by a stranger because it was part of the rules and she didn't like it |
| 22:24.37 | Cide | well go stand in the camera then |
| 22:24.40 | Zasurus | baps: nar just wink and walk on! ;-) |
| 22:24.43 | batrick | TSA will ignore us |
| 22:24.44 | Lulia | There are, MoonWitch, but parents need to raise their kids better too. |
| 22:24.46 | batrick | this is political Cide |
| 22:24.55 | Lulia | It works both ways. |
| 22:24.57 | MoonWitch | The parenting has little to do with it imho. |
| 22:24.57 | Cide | a 3 year old is politically active now? |
| 22:25.00 | batrick | only way to force change is to do something publicly to cause congress to get off their ass |
| 22:25.02 | Ackis | go stand in the camera that gives you cancer? |
| 22:25.07 | batrick | we're not talking about that |
| 22:25.07 | Lulia | Wrong, MoonWitch |
| 22:25.08 | Cide | it doesn't give you cancer |
| 22:25.10 | Ackis | so your choice is get cancer or get mollested |
| 22:25.13 | batrick | we're talking about standing up to the TSA |
| 22:25.14 | Lulia | It is just as huge as how TSA handled it |
| 22:25.14 | Cide | background radiation gives you cancer |
| 22:25.27 | batrick | it's invasive and unnecessary |
| 22:25.27 | MoonWitch | How so Lulia |
| 22:25.28 | Ackis | why are physicians writing letters saying that body scanners aren't safe then Cide? |
| 22:25.36 | Cide | x-rays aren't "safe" either |
| 22:25.47 | batrick | at elast they serve a medical purpose |
| 22:25.54 | Lulia | I promise you that if you took a 3 year old raised properly, they wouldn't act like that at all |
| 22:25.56 | Cide | and body scans a practical purpose |
| 22:26.04 | MoonWitch | Lulia? Got kids? |
| 22:26.16 | zenzelezz | http://theoatmeal.com/pages/retarded_emails?id=12 |
| 22:26.23 | Cide | any single gamma ray can cause a mutation |
| 22:26.25 | Lulia | No, but I went through Child Psych stuff. I know a decent bit about child psychology |
| 22:26.29 | Cide | but the body can repair a lot of it on its own |
| 22:26.42 | Lulia | Naturally speaking, they won't understand quite a bit of it, the parent has to prepare the child for some of it. |
| 22:26.49 | Lulia | And use their authority to get the child to behave |
| 22:27.02 | MoonWitch | My sister is a well behaved girl, always has been, but she's also very shy - which has improved over the years. But I can tell you that when she was three being touched by a stranger would lead to a massive breakdown due to her fear and shyness. |
| 22:27.20 | Lulia | This girl freaked out before being touched |
| 22:27.41 | Kraps | Lulia: thats idiotic, a three year old gets grabbed all over by a huge (in her eyes) strange guy and she'll be fine with it? |
| 22:27.47 | Lulia | She had to be touched because she wouldnt go through the scanner because she was freaking out when her teddy bear needed to go through the other machine |
| 22:27.58 | MoonWitch | And psychology or not, practice is different usually. Child psych generalizes when it comes to children (had behavioral psych). |
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| 22:28.20 | Cide | there are also "experts" saying the higgs boson went back in time to prevent cern from finding it |
| 22:28.20 | Lulia | It generalizes due to reliable sample data |
| 22:28.20 | MoonWitch | Well, kids tend to - in strange environments - cling to what they know. Which often are their teddybears. |
| 22:28.27 | Lulia | Behavior CAN be researched and generalized |
| 22:28.38 | Aurorus | I agree with Lulia |
| 22:28.38 | Lulia | That's a basic premise of psychology, otherwise there would be no point in studying it |
| 22:28.39 | Cide | so "physicians" saying that the cams are dangerous can come cite a nature article or whatever |
| 22:29.00 | Cide | I guess it would be some other journal for medicine |
| 22:29.01 | Lulia | MoonWitch: That's why it's up to the parent to tell their child they might not like some of what might happen |
| 22:29.06 | MoonWitch | I agree that some help from parents is required, but I disagree that it is down to poor parenting skills. |
| 22:29.07 | Lulia | And to use their authority to get some obedience |
| 22:29.10 | Aurorus | Just look at all the X.99 prices...your behaviour is very generalised. ;) |
| 22:29.30 | Lulia | It's the same sort of parenting skill that's required to stop children from crying when they dont get what they want |
| 22:29.31 | Cide | what it isn't down to though |
| 22:29.32 | MoonWitch | Aurorus, I am well aware of the psychological effect of the x.99 prices. |
| 22:29.49 | Lulia | Children will naturally try it |
| 22:29.53 | Lulia | But good parenting will stop it |
| 22:29.54 | batrick | Why are you being purposefully obtuse Cide. There are legitimate reasons for not wanting to go through a body scanner (privacy, medical) and not get molested by a fucking TSA employee (third party experts agree it's way over the top). |
| 22:29.56 | MoonWitch | getting what you want and getting touched by a stranger are two very different things |
| 22:30.02 | Cide | batrick: naturally |
| 22:30.04 | Lulia | I'm not saying the parents in this situation are bad parents, I should be clear. |
| 22:30.06 | Cide | the rules are over the top |
| 22:30.13 | Lulia | I'm saying they could have prepared for the situation better |
| 22:30.15 | MoonWitch | How about I tell you a story to clarify my reasons? |
| 22:30.23 | Cide | but fighting some guy following the rules at an airport is not the way to do it |
| 22:30.31 | Cide | go email tsa |
| 22:30.31 | MoonWitch | (and yes, they could have prepped the child better) |
| 22:30.32 | batrick | yes it is |
| 22:30.35 | Cide | no, it isn't |
| 22:30.38 | batrick | TSA doesn't give a fuck what we think |
| 22:30.47 | Cide | but the guy at the airport can make a difference? |
| 22:30.50 | batrick | federal agencies get told what to do by the president and congress |
| 22:30.52 | Cide | I don't think so |
| 22:30.57 | batrick | you have to stoop to a politician's level to get shit done |
| 22:30.58 | Cide | so go mail congress |
| 22:31.07 | batrick | ya and get copy pasta back, no thanks |
| 22:31.15 | Cide | so you have lost all sense of democracy |
| 22:31.21 | batrick | yup |
| 22:31.24 | batrick | we're a republic |
| 22:31.25 | Cide | then why are you even fighting |
| 22:31.26 | batrick | not a democracy |
| 22:31.34 | batrick | because it works? |
| 22:31.39 | Cide | evidently not? |
| 22:31.42 | batrick | I just said, you have to handle this politically |
| 22:31.51 | batrick | by being an asshole and making TSA's life hard and amke a scene |
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| 22:32.05 | MoonWitch | Generally we teach children to - if unwanted touch occurs - to scream for their own safety, in this case, the child doesn't understand why by this person it should be allowed. I'd rather have my child fuss like that over unwanted touch from anyone than have her/him not say anything at all when random folks touch them (see where I am going?) |
| 22:32.06 | Cide | uh huh |
| 22:32.10 | Cide | sounds childish to me, not smart |
| 22:32.10 | Lulia | MoonWitch: I should have clarified. The TSA could have handled it better too. I'm not disputing that. |
| 22:32.16 | batrick | too bad it works |
| 22:32.23 | Cide | haven't seen that yet |
| 22:32.28 | Cide | rules are still in place yeah? |
| 22:32.33 | batrick | give it time |
| 22:32.35 | Lulia | But that doesn't change the fact that the Parents failed to prepare their child |
| 22:32.38 | MoonWitch | Lulia, then we are more or less agreeing, we agree that both parties handled a situation poorly which lead to this escalation. |
| 22:32.41 | Lulia | And it's just as much their fault. |
| 22:33.00 | MoonWitch | Also : I just fail to see why it needs to be THIS "famous"... Ya know? |
| 22:33.03 | Lulia | I'm just tired of people looking away from parents and trying to find other parties to blame. |
| 22:33.03 | batrick | We jsut saw that big blunder in florida or whatever where some agency kept the photos of a bunch of people form the body scanners |
| 22:33.04 | Cide | I think you'd be better of sending in a newspaper article or some shit |
| 22:33.07 | batrick | people are getting pissed |
| 22:33.21 | Cide | better off* |
| 22:33.40 | MoonWitch | I know I am extreme in my views in the unwanted touch department, sorry. |
| 22:33.50 | Cide | not really |
| 22:34.01 | Cide | but if you don't like it, go stand in the camera or don't fly |
| 22:34.08 | Cide | or make a scene and get flagged if you're batrick |
| 22:34.11 | Aurorus | at the end of the day - I'm glad I'm an Australian :) |
| 22:34.26 | batrick | aussies have their own problems |
| 22:34.31 | batrick | grats on ur shitty internet |
| 22:34.38 | Aurorus | yeah, and internet filter lol |
| 22:34.39 | foxlit | Aurorus: and presumably never will travel to the US? :) |
| 22:34.39 | Cide | ^ arguably worse |
| 22:34.46 | Aurorus | foxlit: not if I can help it |
| 22:34.56 | MoonWitch | for me as adult, I refuse body patting if it is not legitimately allowed (eg, in school a teacher wanted to search me for cigarettes, I refused and simply stated that if he wanted to continue I would sue him for sexual harassment) |
| 22:35.00 | Predicate | Except the "don't fly" option is apparently unavailable, too. There was another article about a guy who refused to go through the scanner, decided to leave the airport instead, and now they're filing charges against him. |
| 22:35.05 | MoonWitch | But I would also just go through the camera |
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| 22:35.20 | MoonWitch | (if with children, I would HOLD my child to go through it.) |
| 22:35.28 | batrick | Predicate: ya the judge basically said "we're all about security through obscurity" |
| 22:35.31 | Cide | Predicate: it's a decision you can make up prior to booking a flight |
| 22:35.37 | batrick | not really |
| 22:35.41 | Cide | yes, yes it is |
| 22:35.44 | batrick | they don't inform you what they're going to do |
| 22:35.46 | batrick | no, it isn't |
| 22:35.48 | batrick | they don't tell you |
| 22:35.49 | Predicate | The guy made his decision based on information on the TSA website which said the body scanners were not in use at that airport. |
| 22:35.50 | batrick | until you get there |
| 22:36.03 | Cide | you know whether the airport has a camera or not yeah? |
| 22:36.14 | Baps | no, you don't always know |
| 22:36.21 | Baps | the website is not kept up to date |
| 22:36.35 | Cide | then they will lose or drop the charges clearly |
| 22:36.46 | Predicate | One would hope. |
| 22:36.52 | Cide | clearly |
| 22:36.54 | Predicate | They actually tried to prevent him from leaving the airport, though. |
| 22:36.58 | Cide | otherwise your country is fucked two times over! |
| 22:37.01 | Baps | the TSA would argue that keeping us in the dark about where the scanners are installed is better for preventing terrorism |
| 22:37.06 | Predicate | He was told that once you begin the screening process, you cannot leave the area until it's completed. |
| 22:37.12 | Cide | naturally |
| 22:37.16 | Predicate | Even if you don't consent to the process in the first place. |
| 22:37.17 | Baps | he was also told to submit or leave |
| 22:37.17 | Cide | the justification is simple |
| 22:37.29 | Baps | he chose to leave |
| 22:37.38 | Baps | THEN they told him about the fine |
| 22:37.48 | Cide | clearly their handling wasn't the best |
| 22:37.51 | Baps | after they escorted him from the area |
| 22:37.53 | Cide | but he was also being a bitch so shrug |
| 22:38.07 | Cide | I don't care much for him either way |
| 22:38.08 | batrick | yes because civil disobedience = bitch |
| 22:38.15 | Cide | pretty much |
| 22:38.29 | batrick | see now you're just trolling |
| 22:38.32 | Lunessa | The TSA engages in security theater and gets progressively more and more foolish and adamant that they're doing the right things to make people safe. Pat downs of passengers don't make us safe. Backscatter and millimeter wave scopes don't make us safe. I'm even willing to say that pretty much the only thing that would make us safer in air travel would be behavior watching and basic screening of bags/parcels. |
| 22:38.34 | Cide | a bit but not a lot |
| 22:39.04 | Cide | nothing makes everyone safe, Lunessa |
| 22:39.11 | Lunessa | Cide: Conceeded. |
| 22:39.20 | Cide | but clearly the added security measures make you some degree of safer |
| 22:39.36 | Cide | one could argue that the price you pay is too high to which I may agree |
| 22:39.56 | Cide | but obviously the people who are confronted by terrorism don't think so |
| 22:40.08 | Predicate | Screening people who are going to get on the plane is one thing - but stopping someone who's being escorted out of the airpot and telling them they still need to be screened? |
| 22:40.23 | Predicate | s/airpot/airport/ |
| 22:40.23 | Cide | Predicate: the reasoning for that is dead simple, stop arguing a stupid point |
| 22:40.35 | batrick | Cide: what the hell do you mean |
| 22:40.39 | batrick | there is no reasoning for it |
| 22:40.40 | Cide | if you are allowed to just say no once you are chosen to go through the camera |
| 22:40.48 | Predicate | What is this simple reasoning, exactly? |
| 22:40.51 | Cide | terrorists can repeat that over and over until they slip through |
| 22:41.01 | batrick | if there is a hole then there is no security |
| 22:41.02 | Cide | if you aren't allowed to say no, you have an all or nothing |
| 22:41.04 | durcyn | terrorists can already slip through, the scanners are useless |
| 22:41.07 | batrick | that's security through obscurity Cide |
| 22:41.11 | Cide | no |
| 22:41.13 | Cide | it's not |
| 22:41.13 | batrick | and we know how well that works, e.g. microsoft |
| 22:41.17 | Baps | if you're carring a bomb, you don't need to go thru screening. |
| 22:41.18 | batrick | yes, it is |
| 22:41.28 | Baps | you wait in the line.. and when you're in a crowded area, you set it off |
| 22:41.29 | Cide | no security measure is perfect |
| 22:41.37 | Cide | therefore all security is by obscurity by your reasoning |
| 22:41.50 | ckknight | batrick: why the MS bashing? :P |
| 22:41.55 | Baps | you don't even need to do it in the screening area.. do it at the ticket counter |
| 22:41.56 | Cide | Baps: we're arguing airplane safety here, not public area safety |
| 22:42.03 | batrick | ckknight: because that's their security model |
| 22:42.11 | ckknight | not nowadays |
| 22:42.13 | ckknight | in the past, yes |
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| 22:42.21 | Cide | "no security measure is perfect, therefore all security is by obscurity by your reasoning" <- batrick? |
| 22:42.28 | batrick | The ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says "requiring that a potential passenger be allowed to revoke consent to an ongoing airport security search makes little sense in a post-9/11 world. Such a rule would afford terrorists multiple opportunities to attempt to penetrate airport security by 'electing not to fly' on the cusp of detection until a vulnerable portal is found." |
| 22:42.36 | batrick | ^ THAT IS SECURITY THROUGH OBSCURITY |
| 22:42.43 | Cide | no... |
| 22:42.44 | Cide | it isn't. |
| 22:42.51 | batrick | if a vulnerable portal exists then you are not secure |
| 22:42.58 | batrick | they will find it anyway |
| 22:42.58 | Wobin | Generally, I think, the point of explosives in regards to airport safety isn't to blow up the surrounding crowd, it's to take control of a plane to crash into something important |
| 22:43.03 | Cide | "Security through (or by) obscurity is a pejorative referring to a principle in security engineering, which attempts to use secrecy (of design, implementation, etc.) to provide security" |
| 22:43.18 | Cide | they are simply saying "either you do it all, or you do nothing" |
| 22:43.22 | Cide | that's not the same thing. |
| 22:43.33 | ckknight | Wobin: actually the point would be to spread fear among the populace through an action |
| 22:43.41 | Wobin | You can blow up the surrounding crowd anywhere, and with much more effectiveness than an airport |
| 22:43.48 | batrick | jesus cide |
| 22:43.57 | durcyn | you're both missing the point. the scanners do -not- add any security, they just line the pockets of the people manufacturing the scanneres |
| 22:44.01 | batrick | if there is a vulnerable portal that exists, and you are hiding it |
| 22:44.09 | Wobin | ckknight: of course, through control of a giant plane that can kill |
| 22:44.09 | batrick | then you are not secure |
| 22:44.10 | batrick | period |
| 22:44.10 | Cide | ... |
| 22:44.15 | Predicate | Cide: that would make a whole lot more sense if people knew what they were consenting to before they agreed to "do it all" as you put it. |
| 22:44.21 | ckknight | Wobin: that is one way |
| 22:44.27 | Cide | they didn't state there exists a known security hole |
| 22:44.40 | Cide | but it'd be foolish to assume there isn't one |
| 22:44.40 | Predicate | The guy only agreed to go through security because the information they'd given him indicated that there were no scanners at that airport. |
| 22:44.51 | Cide | if you let them poke at the security measures time and time again it's vastly easier to find a hole |
| 22:44.56 | Wobin | ckknight: but setting off a personal bomb in an airport isn't usually the desired result |
| 22:45.03 | Cide | clearly you increase the security by preventing such brute force methods |
| 22:45.20 | Cide | it's the equivalent of making password mismatches take a shitton longer than password matches |
| 22:45.23 | Wobin | Most terrorists would want the biggest bang for their buck, to coin a phrase =P |
| 22:45.24 | ckknight | Wobin: I think it'd be effective. |
| 22:45.32 | Wobin | it'd be effective |
| 22:45.34 | ckknight | although I think there's better places than an airport |
| 22:45.38 | ckknight | e.g. a supermarket |
| 22:45.43 | Wobin | but not as effective as throwing a plane into a building |
| 22:45.44 | ckknight | upset the mothers |
| 22:45.50 | Cide | Predicate: naturally, clearly that was a failure on their part |
| 22:46.13 | Wobin | all I'm saying is that while, yes, they -can- explode themselves in a crowded area, most of the time, that isn't their end goal |
| 22:46.17 | foxlit | Personally, I find the "a post-9/11 world" phrase abhorrent. |
| 22:46.31 | Predicate | So the guy was effectively tricked into starting the screening process, and tried to opt out when he realized what he was actually signed up for. That seems...kinda reasonable to me. |
| 22:46.32 | Wobin | it's all a means to a ways of getting control of a larger implement of mass destruction |
| 22:46.40 | nicoli_s | foxlit:are you trying to say 9/11 didnt change everything |
| 22:46.50 | durcyn | nicoli_s: it didn't. |
| 22:46.51 | nicoli_s | which makes me realize, cata is wow's 9/11 |
| 22:46.53 | Cide | Predicate: he wasn't "tricked" -- they weren't out to get him |
| 22:47.00 | Wobin | all 9/11 did was make people more paranoid |
| 22:47.04 | Baps | the main thing 9/11 changed is that passengers aren't going to be passive in the case of a hijacking attempt anymore |
| 22:47.06 | Cide | he was just being a bitch about showing his x-rayed junk on camera |
| 22:47.09 | Baps | which was the policy beforehand |
| 22:47.21 | durcyn | nicoli_s: the only benefits of that attack was 1) stronger cockpit doors and 2) passengers fighting back hijackers |
| 22:47.30 | Lulia | 9/11 changed the general populace's knowledge of what was possible |
| 22:47.36 | Cide | he could easily have asked the security guards on the scene if they have security cameras before he started the screening process, for instance |
| 22:47.37 | Lulia | So yes, it did change something. |
| 22:47.37 | Baps | it was actually ILLEGAL to resist a hijacking attempt before as the policy was to get the aircraft on the ground and negotiate |
| 22:47.39 | durcyn | nicoli_s: or are you going to try to argue that 10 years of TSA security theater has had any psoitve effect |
| 22:48.02 | nicoli_s | i was 100% sarcastic |
| 22:48.11 | Predicate | Cide: He had no reason to believe their information was inaccurate. |
| 22:48.12 | nicoli_s | in fact im pretty sure that was a quote from something |
| 22:48.29 | Cide | no, but he clearly had tons of reasons to definitely not show his junk |
| 22:48.30 | Lulia | Look at what that damn 3yr old started |
| 22:48.31 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 22:49.13 | Cide | why you're not allowed to abort the process halfway through makes perfect sense |
| 22:49.39 | durcyn | the upshot is, the original bill that established the TSA allows airports to opt out after 2 years. makes me wonder if any airport has the stones to do it: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-airport-anger_-GOP-takes-aim-at-screening-1576602-108259869.html |
| 22:49.49 | Cide | the fact that his information was inaccurate pales in comparison because you can't treat people specially |
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| 22:51.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: I agree. The phrase is abhorrent. |
| 22:52.14 | Wobin | Didn't SF airport opt out? |
| 22:53.12 | durcyn | Wobin: it's subcontracted, but still administered by the TSA, as i recall |
| 22:54.10 | Baps | that is the opt out |
| 22:54.21 | Baps | contractors paid for and overseen by the TSA |
| 22:54.27 | Baps | but not employed directly |
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| 22:55.49 | airtonix | http://kotaku.com/5692084/this-isnt-character-creation-its-more-amazing-than-that |
| 22:56.59 | airtonix | or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_DQFVuixM |
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| 22:58.04 | durcyn | airtonix: I'm not sold on the eyebrows. |
| 22:58.13 | Dagmar | airtonix: Okay, that is a _badass_ way of reshaping a rigged model |
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| 22:58.48 | airtonix | my drug shop will be selling premium experiences north of the cloud ring |
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| 22:59.09 | Dagmar | Amazing. He utterly resists the temptation to see if he can make "the package" bigger |
| 22:59.23 | airtonix | just hope your blue to to Fatal Accension |
| 22:59.29 | Wobin | have we reached uncanny valley yet? |
| 22:59.47 | Dagmar | Wobin: Actually it's nowhere near the middle |
| 22:59.51 | Angayelle | oho my guild gave me Invincible's Reins |
| 23:00.03 | Angayelle | i r proud mage |
| 23:00.25 | Xyphoid | iwe had that problem on normal |
| 23:00.25 | Xyphoid | since only half of the packs drop harpoons |
| 23:00.33 | airtonix | everyone gets a chance to remodel their toon as well i think |
| 23:01.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Xyphoid (~xyph@unaffiliated/xyphoid) |
| 23:01.26 | airtonix | and if im reading it right, this is actually already in the test build |
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| 23:02.37 | Wobin | I'm amused that this is for Eve |
| 23:02.49 | Wobin | a spaceship focussed MMO |
| 23:03.30 | airtonix | shit just got real |
| 23:04.15 | Dagmar | Well, they're going to let people get out and stretch their legs soon, apparently |
| 23:04.32 | Dagmar | Probably because Start Trek Online does and it's retard-o world by comparison |
| 23:04.40 | airtonix | i wonder if i can add deformities like humpbacks |
| 23:04.47 | durcyn | walking in stations has been on the to do list since before STO existed |
| 23:05.08 | Dagmar | "On the to-do list" == "couldda, wouldda, shoudda" |
| 23:05.22 | airtonix | more like patch after next |
| 23:05.28 | Dagmar | Taking credit for things that were "in planning" is a Microsoft trick |
| 23:05.31 | durcyn | and i'd chalk it up to Dust before STO |
| 23:05.49 | Lulia | My virtual eclipse is working :D |
| 23:06.33 | Lulia | Well, sort of working... |
| 23:06.34 | Lulia | >.> |
| 23:06.40 | Lulia | Yay, more bugs to settle |
| 23:07.27 | Dagmar | That's a really badass way of adjusting the model like that... showing the "bones" you're adjusting. |
| 23:07.46 | airtonix | it better than sliders yeah ? |
| 23:07.57 | Dagmar | Oh absofreaking lutely |
| 23:08.04 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/user/CCPGAMES#p/c/67C46A980E7C1EE0/0/Gf26ZhHz6uM |
| 23:08.08 | Dagmar | It took me three fucking hours to get my own face modeled properly into Oblivion |
| 23:08.28 | Dagmar | ...and that was _using_ carefully selected headshots at different angles |
| 23:08.53 | airtonix | you know if i could mod oblivions ui interface like i could in wow then i'd still be playing it... but it made me loose interest after two days |
| 23:09.06 | Dagmar | YOu can mod it, it's just painful as hell to do so |
| 23:09.10 | airtonix | those menus are really annoying |
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| 23:11.59 | Jamash | I need advice on how to stay on task while working on addons |
| 23:12.09 | airtonix | ok so dust right. you hire mercenaries... but ou still have to get them to the planet... through any blockades npc or player. ? |
| 23:12.21 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFUpU3nDsnw |
| 23:13.13 | Predicate | Jamash: Hire a dominatrix to punish you when you get distracted? |
| 23:13.33 | Jamash | that doesn't sound effective |
| 23:13.45 | MoonWitch | I can swing by Jamash :) |
| 23:13.52 | Jamash | If I log on my primary server I'm distracted by guild stuff |
| 23:13.55 | airtonix | big or small ? |
| 23:14.01 | Jamash | if I go on PTR or Beta I'm distracted by exploring new content |
| 23:14.14 | airtonix | i mean when you wield the whip will your arm reach above my head ? |
| 23:14.42 | airtonix | or am i going to be spending the entire time strapped to a board looking down at my dominatrix laughing ? |
| 23:15.13 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's an idea. |
| 23:15.22 | Dagmar | Laugh repeatedly at someone who can flog you. |
| 23:15.24 | Dagmar | Good luck. |
| 23:15.31 | airtonix | i dont know |
| 23:15.49 | MoonWitch | airtonix: it depends on what type of play you agree to :) |
| 23:16.13 | Dagmar | Ball gags > safe words |
| 23:16.17 | Dagmar | Keep that in mind. |
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| 23:16.23 | Dagmar | MUahahaha |
| 23:16.39 | airtonix | giggidy |
| 23:16.55 | MoonWitch | with a ball gag (or any other gag) you agree to another method of using safety words |
| 23:17.03 | Jamash | safety sign language? |
| 23:17.06 | MoonWitch | eg by holding a ball, once you drop it, the play ends |
| 23:17.16 | Dagmar | You're assuming someone hasn't pissed off the dom and she chose to skip over that bit |
| 23:17.26 | airtonix | lol |
| 23:17.55 | MoonWitch | you never skip over that .. never |
| 23:17.59 | Dagmar | MUahahahah |
| 23:18.09 | airtonix | innocence |
| 23:18.18 | airtonix | NARMNARMNARM |
| 23:18.20 | Dagmar | You know that, I know that, but I'll betcha airtonix didn't know that until just now. ;) |
| 23:18.31 | Dagmar | Way to ruin it, Moonwitch |
| 23:18.39 | Dagmar | heh |
| 23:18.57 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: I felt it was important to burst that bubble |
| 23:19.06 | Angayelle | !api SetFrameLevel |
| 23:19.06 | lua_bot | Frame:SetFrameLevel: Sets the level at which the frame is layered relative to others in its strata (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetFrameLevel) |
| 23:19.09 | Lunessa | I turn away to do some work, and you people are discussing BDSM? |
| 23:19.14 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 23:19.19 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 23:19.29 | Predicate | It's my fault, again. |
| 23:19.41 | airtonix | omg YES |
| 23:19.58 | Dagmar | Mah name has a capital letter for a reason. |
| 23:20.01 | Angayelle | hmmm i can set frame level with api but i can't find the correct attributes to set it in xml, it's not framestrata |
| 23:20.01 | Dagmar | :) |
| 23:21.18 | Angayelle | nvm found it, i'm tired |
| 23:21.37 | Dagmar | Layer level? |
| 23:21.51 | airtonix | ssh is just tcp right ? not udp as well ? |
| 23:21.56 | Dagmar | I should actually sit down and read the scheme sometime |
| 23:22.01 | Dagmar | airtonix: yes. |
| 23:22.24 | Dagmar | Crypto gets a little snippy when frames arrive out of order with no way of knowing it |
| 23:23.18 | airtonix | oh yeah |
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| 23:27.40 | MoonWitch | I am bored |
| 23:27.40 | Angayelle | well looks like i can't set framelevel for a texture as it's not actually a frame |
| 23:27.54 | MoonWitch | Can I whip Jamash? (even if he's not distracted) |
| 23:27.57 | kd3|netbook | a /little/ snippy? |
| 23:28.22 | MoonWitch | and Dagmar, as does my name. Or shall I say My name ;) |
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| 23:29.10 | Predicate | Angayelle: DrawLayer might be what you're looking for. |
| 23:30.05 | Angayelle | !api DrawLayer |
| 23:30.05 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'DrawLayer': Frame:DisableDrawLayer, LayeredRegion:GetDrawLayer, LayeredRegion:SetDrawLayer, Frame:EnableDrawLayer |
| 23:30.59 | Predicate | In XML it'd be the <Layer> tag, IIRC. |
| 23:31.57 | Angayelle | well that's not what i need, it's a problem of ordering 2 textures withing the same frame |
| 23:32.04 | alestane | I believe there's a level="" attribute on Frames in XML. |
| 23:32.20 | Angayelle | but i got it sorted, i had a tags nor ending properly |
| 23:32.25 | Predicate | Ah, you want texture sublevels then. |
| 23:32.44 | Angayelle | yes there is a level but it doesn't aply to textures or fonstrings |
| 23:33.30 | Predicate | Sublevels were added in 4.0, so you should be able to use those now. |
| 23:34.32 | Predicate | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560499864&sid=2000#1 |
| 23:35.00 | Predicate | Nobody else seems to have the updated docs for :SetDrawLayer() yet. |
| 23:35.29 | Angayelle | oh thats 'nice, thanks predicate |
| 23:36.46 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Drumming up business? |
| 23:36.48 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 23:36.55 | Napoleone | I'm getting bored lol |
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| 23:38.44 | airtonix | how much does it generally cost to get a SSL cert signed ? |
| 23:38.54 | cbreak | nothing |
| 23:39.01 | airtonix | yeah i can self sign it |
| 23:39.03 | cbreak | I've done it myself many times |
| 23:39.22 | Jamash | you mean, signed by a CA that anyone cares about? |
| 23:39.25 | airtonix | yeah |
| 23:39.28 | cbreak | there are a few CAs that sign it for free I think |
| 23:39.34 | cbreak | not sure if they are in any browser |
| 23:39.43 | airtonix | ah ok |
| 23:39.55 | airtonix | it'd be something hefty would it ? |
| 23:40.01 | cbreak | I think some companies have a global wildcard cert, so they can sign stuff themselve |
| 23:40.22 | durcyn | wildcard certs aren't the same as intermediate CAs |
| 23:40.34 | cbreak | depends on where the wildcard is :) |
| 23:41.06 | cbreak | maybe you can get one for co.uk :) |
| 23:41.07 | durcyn | anyway some shithole like godaddy sells SSL certs for like $10-15, but the chances of your average browser having the CA are low |
| 23:41.17 | airtonix | well at least i have encrypted http traffic for now |
| 23:41.25 | durcyn | might as well self-sign at that point |
| 23:41.39 | cbreak | you can check your browser's ca list |
| 23:41.56 | airtonix | yeah does chrome have a handy about: thingo for that ? |
| 23:42.30 | cbreak | oh... "Microsoft Internet Authority"... |
| 23:42.40 | cbreak | how... reassuring |
| 23:43.16 | airtonix | man django-auth-ldap is giving me a pain in the arse |
| 23:43.16 | cbreak | airtonix: if you're on OS X, the Keychain Access.app can do it |
| 23:43.30 | cbreak | otherwise, openssl's command line should do it too |
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| 23:43.44 | airtonix | cbreak, yeah i just created my own CA authority for now |
| 23:44.07 | cbreak | CA Authority? That sounds like LCD Display... |
| 23:44.18 | durcyn | ATM machine |
| 23:44.19 | Jamash | crypto is complicated |
| 23:44.23 | cbreak | or CD Disc. HTTP Protocol :) |
| 23:44.58 | Predicate | PIN number. |
| 23:44.59 | Predicate | cringes |
| 23:45.22 | Gnarfoz | you people seem to have OCD disorder |
| 23:45.30 | Predicate | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 23:45.30 | purl | teaches Gnarfoz that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 23:45.32 | cbreak | Predicate: I've seen "Personal PIN Number" in official bank texts |
| 23:46.23 | airtonix | Pretty Private Identification Notable Number ? |
| 23:46.51 | TC-Work | NIC Card >.< |
| 23:46.55 | TC-Work | i hate them all |
| 23:47.00 | Lunessa | Kill. |
| 23:47.04 | Lunessa | EXTERMINATE! |
| 23:47.15 | TC-Work | ^ |
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| 23:47.42 | airtonix | On a scale of "Out Right Lying"(scratching eyebrows) to "Resolutely True"(hands on the table), the bank clerk tells you while scratching the left eyebrow, "It's a FPIN" |
| 23:47.53 | Lulia | celebrates. |
| 23:48.54 | airtonix | ok, banks and token security fobs... thoughts ? |
| 23:48.56 | MoonWitch | screams and runs off. |
| 23:49.00 | airtonix | lol |
| 23:49.10 | MoonWitch | sorry that wasn't a response to you |
| 23:49.19 | Lulia | Who was it a response to? |
| 23:49.24 | MoonWitch | no one |
| 23:49.27 | Lulia | Oh |
| 23:49.34 | Dajova | thinks he has seen enough for a whole day. |
| 23:49.39 | Lulia | I was like: "geez, guess I can't celebrate" |
| 23:49.44 | MoonWitch | I am going slightly mental, I can FINALLY log in, and it's the fucking SW event while my char needs to be in IF |
| 23:49.55 | Lulia | All of my Eclipse 'foresee' energy stuff is working. |
| 23:49.59 | Lulia | I'm so happy. |
| 23:50.06 | Lulia | Sorry, MoonWitch :( |
| 23:50.09 | Lulia | offers a hug? |
| 23:50.15 | MoonWitch | aww |
| 23:50.20 | MoonWitch | hugs Lulia |
| 23:50.32 | MoonWitch | and I do have a job now :) |
| 23:50.38 | Lulia | Oh? :D |
| 23:50.39 | MoonWitch | I took the better paying one |
| 23:50.42 | Lulia | yay |
| 23:50.46 | Predicate | sighs. |
| 23:50.54 | Lulia | I might have one in the next day or two, if I'm lucky. |
| 23:51.12 | Predicate | My account has officially expired...I wonder if I can still log into the PTR... |
| 23:51.21 | MoonWitch | 2 offers : 1. closer, pays far more, but might be more mindnumbing. 2. Challenge, complete dream thing, but twice the travel time and less pay. |
| 23:51.26 | MoonWitch | I picked 1. |
| 23:52.20 | cbreak | I have to travel for about 100 minutes each way to and from work |
| 23:52.27 | cbreak | and I don't earn that much |
| 23:52.31 | cbreak | but it's fun, so it's ok :) |
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| 23:52.46 | Lulia | Sorry, MoonWitch, it kicked me |
| 23:52.49 | MoonWitch | cbreak, I wanted to avoid a long travel this time because I wanted time left to get a degree :P |
| 23:53.13 | cbreak | I use the time left to me for reading manga and watching anime. |
| 23:53.15 | Lulia | I need to figure out whether this internet issue is router-based or if the whole house is just losing internet randomly |
| 23:53.15 | MoonWitch | 1 is an hour travel .. 2 was over 2hrs |
| 23:53.16 | Lulia | Ugh |
| 23:53.22 | cbreak | I can do that while traveling too :) |
| 23:53.56 | MoonWitch | I'd be travelling through the most insecure train station in belgium at like - well before and after the huge people bunch (office hours) |
| 23:54.18 | MoonWitch | Don't feel like carrying my work laptop around in a station where people get stabbed for a damn iPof |
| 23:54.21 | MoonWitch | iPod* |
| 23:54.32 | airtonix | iPoof |
| 23:54.38 | MoonWitch | indeed |
| 23:54.39 | cbreak | hmm. I don't think there are insecure places in my country. Lucky :) |
| 23:54.45 | A-KO | damn Comcast is a god damn ripoff |
| 23:55.21 | MoonWitch | ok me smokie smokie |
| 23:55.36 | cbreak | smoking is insecure. :) |
| 23:55.39 | MoonWitch | I can't remember where my porn folder is ....... |
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| 23:56.01 | cbreak | there are programs that visualize the file system based on file content size |
| 23:56.05 | cbreak | just find the biggest folder :) |
| 23:56.11 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 23:56.17 | MoonWitch | that would be my normal movie folder |
| 23:56.24 | MoonWitch | that one is 1.2TB |
| 23:56.36 | Lunessa | ... Smoking + Porn? You have some twisted fetishes. |
| 23:56.50 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-243-145.nat.asu.edu) |
| 23:57.05 | MoonWitch | 3 words : clothes pins flogger |
| 23:57.10 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XhC5b2FEOk |
| 23:57.15 | MoonWitch | smoking is the least of it |
| 23:57.23 | MoonWitch | smoking now (and the porn was a realization) |
| 23:57.35 | MoonWitch | imay have deleted it |
| 23:57.40 | MoonWitch | I* |
| 23:57.43 | cbreak | backups... |
| 23:57.48 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 23:57.51 | MoonWitch | brb |
