| 00:00.09 | Kraps | Fisker Shirik |
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| 00:03.12 | Kraps | flying in blades edge is so cool |
| 00:16.25 | Kraps | forge base genhenna |
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| 00:19.04 | Kraps | is that name what i think it is? |
| 00:26.59 | Kraps | how the helll is there a ship, on a detached rock, in netherstorm? |
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| 00:45.32 | Kraps | hey i can get master riding |
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| 00:47.57 | Kraps | i hope catas landscapes are as varied an wraths |
| 00:48.07 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/0OKtK.jpg |
| 00:51.40 | Kraps | Wobin: i think he causes that |
| 00:51.52 | Wobin | I reckon |
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| 01:09.12 | alestane | So, at some point they gave hunters this "Kill Shot" ability. Started actually playing my hunter for the first time since 4.x and I don't think I've been able to actually cast it yet. |
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| 01:14.36 | Tuller | kill shot == execute, more or less |
| 01:14.44 | alestane | I understand that. |
| 01:15.03 | Tuller | leveling my hunter, i've not used it frequently |
| 01:15.07 | Tuller | except on bosses |
| 01:15.07 | alestane | But right now the <=20% window lasts approximately 0.3 of a second. |
| 01:15.13 | Wobin | alestane: things die too quickly =P |
| 01:15.17 | Wobin | you use it on boss fights |
| 01:15.35 | alestane | When I get them down below 20%, my croc bites them in half and that's that. |
| 01:15.51 | Tuller | i'm pretty sure blizzard looked at hunters and said "you know what? lets just drop their downtime" |
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| 01:23.57 | Kraps | casters need 18% hit yeah? |
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| 01:27.19 | Kraps | well because of the spirit-to-hit talent in the priest shadow tree, i have almost 30% :/ |
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| 01:37.32 | A-KO | You know |
| 01:37.41 | A-KO | Blizzard's functions are terribly inconsistent... |
| 01:38.18 | A-KO | You can fire GuildRoster() to update the local guild roster info w/o loading the guild UI window, but you can't do the same for the tradeskills, it only loads tradeskills if you open the window. |
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| 01:38.52 | Tuller | tekkub I lost mah github work! :P |
| 01:41.53 | Mirrormn | that sounds more like "very subtely inconsistent" |
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| 01:48.01 | Cide | and that's not true |
| 01:48.15 | Cide | you simply need to make the proper api call for the tradeskills |
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| 01:48.34 | Cide | I doubt TradeskillFrame:Show() is special-cased (or whatever the name of the frame is) |
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| 01:50.49 | bluspacecow | anyone on beta here ? |
| 01:55.36 | A-KO | what's up? |
| 01:57.10 | bluspacecow | when you open the launcher |
| 01:57.18 | Stanzilla | Kraps: 17% |
| 01:57.25 | bluspacecow | do you get any applying non cricitical updates messages ? |
| 01:57.41 | bluspacecow | does you repair-on-demand.log file in your logs file |
| 01:57.56 | bluspacecow | is it being spammed with "Detected corruption for MD5 block #0," |
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| 02:10.29 | A-KO | hm |
| 02:10.31 | A-KO | lemme check |
| 02:10.45 | A-KO | nope |
| 02:11.45 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 02:11.54 | bluspacecow | do you also get that in Live ? |
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| 02:18.47 | Legorol | bluspacecow: I get that on Live too, and so do many people |
| 02:19.07 | bluspacecow | appears to be a bug in the launcher >_> |
| 02:19.15 | Legorol | my belief is that it's actually caused by a very old issue that's been around since WoW's launch, but never been addressed before because it wasn't very visible |
| 02:19.21 | Legorol | no i don't think it's a Launcher bug |
| 02:19.24 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 02:19.39 | bluspacecow | i've managed to stop it from filling up my repair-on-demand file |
| 02:19.42 | Legorol | the issue is this: sometimes when WoW reads from an MPQ, it thinks it received corrupted data |
| 02:19.47 | Legorol | how did you stop it ? |
| 02:20.00 | Legorol | even though the data isn't actually corrupted, it believes it is, i dont' know why |
| 02:20.04 | bluspacecow | wiped launcher.wtf as well as all the caches |
| 02:20.15 | bluspacecow | then opened the launcher and it started downloading more data (5MB) |
| 02:20.27 | bluspacecow | did it a second time and it started downloading 43 MB |
| 02:20.36 | bluspacecow | so i just waited till it stopped |
| 02:20.36 | Legorol | whenever i had problems with this in the past (both before 4.0 and after), i would verify the integrity of files with third party MD5 tools |
| 02:20.41 | Legorol | and it would check out compared to other machiens |
| 02:20.48 | Legorol | but WoW still can think that random files are corrupted |
| 02:21.06 | bluspacecow | i've noticed the message doesn't actually say what file is corrupt |
| 02:21.29 | Legorol | before 4.0, there was this issue: |
| 02:21.42 | Legorol | you'd run the repair tool, it'd scan your MPQs, and find a random set of files that's apparently corrupted |
| 02:21.50 | Legorol | you'd not allow it to repair, run it again, and it'd find a different set |
| 02:22.06 | Legorol | even though the MPQs themselves check out just fine when you check their MD5 with a third party tool |
| 02:22.23 | Legorol | i believe that is the same issue as the one causing this Launcher issue |
| 02:22.53 | Legorol | but i'm just guessing |
| 02:23.55 | bluspacecow | gah not fixed ... logged into game run around , quit then opened the launcher now it's filling that log file with entries |
| 02:24.12 | bluspacecow | before it stuck at 4k no matter how long i had the launcher open |
| 02:24.26 | Legorol | i think it's not the launcher that's the culprit as such |
| 02:24.35 | bluspacecow | now that ive actually logged into game and logged out its started again |
| 02:24.36 | Legorol | it's WoW that thinks that files have become corrupted, so it flags them as needing recaching |
| 02:24.49 | bluspacecow | i've noticed my cache folder has been recreated now ... it wasn't before |
| 02:24.55 | Legorol | you know that "applying non-critical updates" is the Launcher populating the cache |
| 02:25.39 | bluspacecow | yeah i saw that post of yours |
| 02:25.51 | bluspacecow | im doing my normal spamming of google results in new tabs now |
| 02:32.50 | Legorol | :) |
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| 02:43.30 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XsSoMBVF3w |
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| 02:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/l4d2-weird.jpg |
| 02:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone know how to fix that? :( |
| 02:59.05 | Dagmar | Damn... I've got NO idea |
| 02:59.16 | Dagmar | Maybe kick your video card's monitor rotation config in the nuts |
| 02:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | look carefully at the UI |
| 02:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the video card |
| 02:59.56 | Corrodias2 | i'd wipe out the config files and start 'em afresh |
| 03:00.16 | Dagmar | I've never played L4D2 so I've no idea what's wrong there |
| 03:00.20 | Corrodias2 | i have seen the view get stuck rotated at a slightly less extreme angle, as if the person were still "down". |
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| 03:00.50 | Dagmar | I figure the only reason the UI is still right is that the drivers need to be beaten to death |
| 03:03.41 | Mirrormn | man people go crazy when I pull 17k dps in a heroic |
| 03:03.46 | Mirrormn | I feel like a supastar =S |
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| 03:17.27 | A-KO | Blizzard changed a substantial amount of stuff in the 4.x UI |
| 03:17.32 | A-KO | it's a shame there's no granular detail change |
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| 03:33.48 | LebQzz | i think there is |
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| 04:08.33 | Kraps | Epica is pretty good |
| 04:08.39 | kd3 | Shirik, block all of verizon! |
| 04:08.43 | Shirik | ? |
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| 04:09.14 | kd3 | glances at ANI |
| 04:09.19 | Shirik | screw ANI |
| 04:09.33 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:09.34 | kd3 | hell, it looks like /. just picked up on it |
| 04:09.38 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN/I#Zsfgseg:_Narrow_range_blocks_seem_to_be_possible |
| 04:11.09 | TC-Away | Kraps: yes, yes it is |
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| 04:12.52 | Shirik | kd3, this whole "problem" is making me want to kill people |
| 04:13.02 | Shirik | this issue with Zsfgseg is blown way out of proportion and I'm really just sick of it |
| 04:14.24 | Kraps | hey Shirik |
| 04:14.37 | Kraps | run for bureaucrat |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik | no |
| 04:15.11 | Shirik | I will never do so |
| 04:15.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: If you like, I can put you on a more trivial problem. ;) |
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| 04:15.59 | Kraps | run for bureaucrat Shirik |
| 04:16.34 | Shirik | no |
| 04:16.47 | Dagmar | I'm about to snatch attribution of something back from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sephiroth_storm |
| 04:17.04 | Dagmar | Cuz he sure as hell didn't do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hacker_inside.jpg |
| 04:17.33 | Shirik | Dagmar: Show me proof and I'll delete it immediately |
| 04:17.35 | Dagmar | Naughty, naughty man, claiming to be the copyright holder |
| 04:17.53 | Dagmar | Delete it? No, I don't want it deleted. I'm fine with it being there. |
| 04:18.03 | Dagmar | I can show something akin to proof tho |
| 04:18.06 | Shirik | Well then at least show me proof that it's under a free license :) |
| 04:18.33 | Dagmar | I put it on DeviantArt like, many years ago http://evildagmarx.deviantart.com/art/640x480-BIOS-Splash-no-31337-8276301 |
| 04:18.44 | Dagmar | I made the thing back in 98 IIRC |
| 04:18.52 | Dagmar | That link is from 2004 |
| 04:19.22 | Dagmar | I'm gonna push a more updated/useful SVG version later tonight, and wait for this Sephiroth guy to go "Ooops, sorry dude" |
| 04:19.48 | Dagmar | I pretty much said everything that needs to be said about it at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sephiroth_storm |
| 04:20.41 | Dagmar | The only restriction I've ever placed on it is for people to not get themselves and me sued by putting it to non-parody uses |
| 04:21.06 | Dagmar | ...which is actually kinda hard since Intel put the thing it parodies on everything except condoms |
| 04:21.45 | Arrowmaster | i want condoms with the parody logo on them |
| 04:21.48 | Shirik | I see you already posted to his talk page, Dagmar |
| 04:21.52 | Shirik | I'll keep an eye on the results |
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| 04:21.55 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That can be arranged |
| 04:22.15 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I would not recommend *using* them, but three years running we had black condoms made with that on them |
| 04:22.26 | Shirik | But what do you want me to do about it Dagmar |
| 04:22.45 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:22.49 | Dagmar | Well, mainly I just wanted to see if I was doing something hideously wrong in addressing this |
| 04:22.55 | Shirik | n |
| 04:22.56 | Shirik | no |
| 04:22.58 | Dagmar | Cool. |
| 04:23.02 | Shirik | he is doing something hideously wrong by saying he's the owner |
| 04:23.18 | Shirik | we do have a few processes in place for it but it all boils down to how you want it resolved |
| 04:23.43 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: prove that that dev art page is you |
| 04:23.56 | Shirik | no need, OTRS can handle that |
| 04:24.14 | Arrowmaster | i think he made it clear how he wants to resolve it in the second half of the last paragraph |
| 04:24.14 | Shirik | (that reminds me, you may need to do an OTRS release if this gets out of control Dagmar) |
| 04:24.22 | Dagmar | OTRS? |
| 04:24.30 | Arrowmaster | with licorice swords |
| 04:25.04 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I've got T-shirts from like, nine of the fourteen PhreakNICs with the logo... Oh, and I've also got a solid gold signet ring with it, made by my girlfriend from about eight years ago |
| 04:25.27 | Shirik | OTRS is a group of volunteers that, among other things, file permission proof in a mysterious black vault never-to-be-seen-again |
| 04:25.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: Ahhh... |
| 04:26.18 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i'm quite sure your comment had nothing to do with what i said |
| 04:27.17 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Well, if you gimme a few minutes to go have a "smoke break" at the office I might acutally be able to login to DeviantArt and call you names on there |
| 04:27.30 | Dagmar | I've got two accounts there, one I lost hte damn password for ages ago |
| 04:27.33 | Dagmar | Not sure which that one is |
| 04:27.44 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: :P |
| 04:29.34 | Dagmar | HAHA wait |
| 04:29.44 | Dagmar | Here's one of the oldest pictures of the logo. This is funny |
| 04:29.45 | Dagmar | http://www.phreaknic.info/pn345/pix97/hacker_inside.jpg |
| 04:30.11 | Dagmar | Trying to keep a bunch of hackers from going berzerk all night takes it out of ya |
| 04:30.23 | Kraps | Dagmar: hes gonna go ballistic that you called him "dude" |
| 04:30.46 | Dagmar | Kraps: Who'd I call 'dude' that's going to get bent out of shape about it? |
| 04:31.00 | Kraps | Sephiroth |
| 04:31.13 | Dagmar | Somehow I can't see a hacker getting that upset about it |
| 04:31.16 | Kraps | thats how the internet works |
| 04:31.29 | Kraps | hes a hacker? |
| 04:31.37 | Dagmar | If he does, and he shows up at the next PN, I'll feed him beers until he stops |
| 04:32.10 | Dagmar | Kraps: I probably met the guy at some point at one of them. Alcohol does funny things to the memories |
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| 04:55.55 | Gnarfoz | would tainting format() be an inherently bad thing(tm)? |
| 04:56.05 | Arrowmaster | i would think so |
| 04:57.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Look at the AIM icon on that page, actually. Note that it's got "Surreal" at the bottom of it |
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| 05:14.07 | Dagmar | @#$@ they must have purged email accounts from the database that point at domains that are no longer registered. @#$@ |
| 05:20.30 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 05:27.50 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: some addon I use did that, would probably explain why I kept getting 100's of errors about it trying to :Hide() Blizzard raid frames (which neither I or the addon use) in combat, randomly |
| 05:34.15 | LebQzz | lol |
| 05:34.21 | LebQzz | major taint ;P |
| 05:34.45 | Kraps | scott pilgrims is a pretty good movie |
| 05:34.51 | Kraps | er |
| 05:34.54 | Kraps | -s |
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| 05:43.56 | Nobgul | Anyone know if there is a way to make auctioneer show you the estimated total if all the items you have in sells? |
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| 05:45.53 | Dajova | hmm, only me or is wowi down? |
| 05:46.09 | Nobgul | its up for me |
| 05:46.16 | Dajova | :S |
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| 05:46.31 | Dajova | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.wowinterface.com. |
| 05:46.36 | Dajova | everytime i try |
| 05:46.45 | Cairenn|afk | up for me |
| 05:46.52 | Cairenn|afk | try clearing the cache for it |
| 05:47.15 | Zyn | it doesn't work for me either, since it seems that scandinavia is having routing problems or whatever atm |
| 05:47.15 | Nobgul | sup Cairenn|afk |
| 05:47.28 | Cairenn|afk | nothing much, sleep soon I hope |
| 05:47.39 | Nobgul | Hehe, I wish i could sleep |
| 05:47.43 | Dajova | Zyn: hmm, odd... cause its only wowi that screws up, not any other site :P |
| 05:47.47 | Nobgul | Another 8 hours of work |
| 05:48.00 | Nobgul | Dajova, What os u using>? |
| 05:48.08 | Dajova | xp |
| 05:48.17 | Nobgul | try doing a ping in dos to the site |
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| 05:49.00 | Dajova | how was the command again? just "ping <url>"? |
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| 05:49.06 | Nobgul | Yea |
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| 05:49.12 | Nobgul | ping wowinterface.com |
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| 05:49.24 | Zyn | something's messed up atm |
| 05:49.27 | Dajova | i get replies |
| 05:49.27 | Nobgul | sould ping 5 or 10 times or w/e or say unable to resolve host |
| 05:49.32 | Nobgul | then its not the site |
| 05:49.34 | Zyn | can't reach my site, can't login to MSN, etc |
| 05:49.51 | Dajova | im on msn :) |
| 05:49.53 | Nobgul | It's your browser or something weird |
| 05:50.06 | Dajova | ill try to clear cache first then |
| 05:50.22 | Dajova | cause it was fine the last 30m |
| 05:50.41 | LebQzz | can be router. can be a virus |
| 05:50.44 | LebQzz | can be a filter |
| 05:50.50 | Dajova | there now it works... worked by clearing the cache :P |
| 05:50.59 | Nobgul | +) |
| 05:51.04 | Cairenn|afk | scritches her head, "Didn't I suggest that to start with?" |
| 05:51.05 | Nobgul | always ping first |
| 05:51.10 | Nobgul | Cairenn|afk Yerp =P |
| 05:51.15 | Dajova | who can i blame? |
| 05:51.30 | Nobgul | Blame Kraps |
| 05:51.37 | Dajova | ok! |
| 05:51.42 | Kraps | not yet |
| 05:51.49 | Dajova | blames ... who?! |
| 05:52.20 | Kraps | Fisker is always a good bet |
| 05:52.22 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:52.31 | Dajova | Cairenn|afk: btw, it's "scratches" :) |
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| 05:54.43 | Cairenn|afk | Dajova: /roll eyes |
| 05:55.02 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:55.15 | Dajova | Cairenn|afk: /sleepy eyes |
| 05:55.36 | Nobgul | Please don't speak about sleep lol. |
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| 05:55.43 | Shirik | tekkub: In Wikipedia's DYK currently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Bacon! |
| 05:55.44 | Dajova | crist, its almost 7am and i got nothing to do today?! |
| 05:56.12 | Nobgul | 7 am 0_o |
| 05:56.26 | Dajova | sweden sux :) |
| 05:56.29 | Dajova | *rox |
| 05:56.33 | Nobgul | lol |
| 05:57.48 | Dajova | Zyn: btw, what isp do you have? |
| 05:57.55 | Zyn | Felia |
| 05:58.00 | Dajova | ah, explains |
| 05:58.02 | Dajova | :D |
| 05:58.15 | Dajova | tele2 100/10 cable! |
| 05:58.53 | Zyn | Telia 100/10 (up to) FiberLan! |
| 06:00.11 | Dajova | the odd thing is that if i download faster than 3mb/s, my computer starts to use CPU to max and lags it like hell >< was a PITA when i got it to 10mb/sec when i downloaded Archany Online or whatever it's spelled like :P |
| 06:00.40 | Dajova | couldnt do anything xD |
| 06:03.11 | Nobgul | I get up to 30mbps down here. |
| 06:03.32 | Arrowmaster | hate you all |
| 06:03.38 | kd3 | ^ |
| 06:03.39 | kd3 | ^^^^^^ |
| 06:03.58 | kd3 | screw all of you with your non-crap internet connections |
| 06:04.01 | kd3 | grrs |
| 06:04.04 | Shirik | it's ok kd3 |
| 06:04.06 | Shirik | I'm with you |
| 06:04.17 | Shirik | And when I move up to WA it looks like I'll either be on comcast or microwave |
| 06:04.27 | Nobgul | OUr work connection, getsup to 100mbps but, Its also the phone system so when I max it out no one can use the phones =P |
| 06:04.43 | Kraps | "Of course, "shit" is an incredibly minor swear in Canada" orly? |
| 06:05.31 | Nobgul | Anyway =P |
| 06:05.38 | Shirik | Nobgul: Sounds like your IT is awful |
| 06:05.47 | Nobgul | <----- |
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| 06:06.19 | Nobgul | The pbx is older then dirt and the module they sold us for the voip conversion was expensive and crap. |
| 06:07.32 | Nobgul | Wanted to build a Asterisk system but meeh. They didin't want to use "Unsupported" software. |
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| 06:26.18 | Nobgul | They need new infommertial hosts, the ones they have on now suck. |
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| 06:36.39 | Lulia | Billy Mays |
| 06:36.55 | Nobgul | Wish he was still around |
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| 06:43.46 | NeoTron | Shirik: FIOS |
| 06:43.56 | NeoTron | Shirik: although I suppose it depends on where you live |
| 06:44.09 | Shirik | FIOS will not be where I live |
| 06:44.10 | Shirik | period |
| 06:44.15 | Shirik | I'm lucky they have cable service |
| 06:44.17 | NeoTron | bummer. <3 fios |
| 06:46.38 | Nobgul | Hughesnet is expensive. |
| 06:48.15 | NeoTron | although for the most part I did have pretty good experience with comcast. not always mind you |
| 06:48.24 | NeoTron | main drawback is the sucky upload speeds |
| 06:48.32 | NeoTron | and sensitivity to the in-house cabling |
| 06:49.10 | Nobgul | Electric Wires seem to really screw with Comcast. It's what i am on now. |
| 06:49.45 | Nobgul | Although I did find that when you pay the extra 9.99 per month for the speedboost crap it doubled the bandwith up and down |
| 06:50.57 | greppy | unless you are referring to something else, that speedboost is only a quick burst, on longer downloads it will drop back down. |
| 06:52.36 | Kraps | how do the people writing this tween website/magazine not kill themselves? |
| 06:52.51 | greppy | the same way the people that read it don't :) |
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| 06:54.11 | Kraps | reading vs writing/editing is a big difference ;) |
| 06:58.29 | airtonix | are we talking with a writing tool? or just a computer |
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| 06:59.27 | Kraps | a computer i guess? it is a website |
| 07:00.31 | airtonix | i used to write on my computer |
| 07:00.54 | airtonix | with a felt tip pen, things like : wafflehead 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:02.43 | Nobgul | lol |
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| 07:03.45 | Nobgul | greppy: It may not be called speedboost im rather tired atm. But for a extra 9.99 they uncap your modem a bit and allow static ip as well as http and ftp etc. |
| 07:04.05 | NeoTron | I had an issue where shit went to hell if it was really warm |
| 07:04.14 | NeoTron | so it was fine during the winter and then suddently got bad as it got warmer |
| 07:05.03 | Nobgul | NeoTron? |
| 07:05.10 | greppy | Nobgul: that sounds more like an actual service upgrade. :) |
| 07:05.25 | greppy | works in cable, but not for comcast. |
| 07:05.36 | Nobgul | They offered it as a 9.99 upgrade for business customers at some point. Cant think of the name of it. |
| 07:05.45 | Nobgul | shrug. |
| 07:05.56 | Nobgul | They give it to residential also i thinks |
| 07:06.05 | greppy | *nod* that's a service upgrade, speedboost is tech that allows you to burst for short durations. |
| 07:06.26 | Nobgul | Ah. |
| 07:06.36 | Nobgul | Whatever we got its nice lol. |
| 07:06.44 | Nobgul | We went from adsl. |
| 07:06.51 | Nobgul | from verizion. man it was slow. |
| 07:06.55 | greppy | oof |
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| 07:10.29 | Kraps | so the protoss invade earth and construct more pylons... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS77dek-RlY&feature=channel |
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| 07:19.20 | NeoTron | Nobgul: hmm? |
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| 07:22.28 | NeoTron | Skyline looks cool |
| 07:22.40 | NeoTron | I'm sure they will fix it by connecting to the aliens apple computers, uploading a virus |
| 07:22.54 | Lulia | We require more pylons! |
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| 07:23.40 | Kraps | NeoTron: its heavily panned |
| 07:24.01 | Fisker | i once killed a guy Kraps |
| 07:24.16 | Shirik | i once saved a guy Fisker |
| 07:24.20 | Shirik | it was probably the same guy |
| 07:24.24 | Shirik | which means you never killed a guy |
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| 07:26.35 | Mirrormn | works on average anyway |
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| 07:32.02 | Amarande | Anyone know if the LK epic gem transmute bug is fixed in 4.0.3? |
| 07:34.33 | Amarande | and will they EVER fix the damn Gnomeregan transponder bug? |
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| 07:39.08 | Amarande | (really, this bug has been around since at least BC and Horde the world over have been pissed off over it. I'm not sure why they haven't been able to fix it, as it seems probably a fairly simple error in the DB) |
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| 07:40.53 | Amarande | wb |
| 07:42.56 | zenzio | Amarande: what bug is that? |
| 07:43.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:43.07 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:43.08 | Fisker | that enrages and infuriates me |
| 07:43.14 | Fisker | jerkface :( |
| 07:43.17 | Shirik | I am sorry :( |
| 07:44.05 | Nobgul | Amarande: I had a gm give me the pat's the other night after making my 3rd ticket |
| 07:45.54 | Amarande | zenzio: the bug where if you do a quest in Searing Gorge (it's been narrowed down to that, and possibly to the Smithing Tuyere quest specifically) |
| 07:46.30 | Amarande | it marks you as having completed the Gnomeregan transponder quests as well and then you can NEVER get it, enjoy your walk through Dun Morogh |
| 07:46.46 | zenzio | oh, never heard of that one |
| 07:46.50 | Amarande | (and don't you dare wait to fly over it, because then Gnomer will be a full on Alliance city and it will be just wonderful to try to get through it if you didn't have the key already) |
| 07:46.52 | zenzio | that is a pretty wicked bug |
| 07:47.09 | Amarande | zenzio: yeah, and it's been known for YEARS and they still haven't fixed it. |
| 07:47.13 | zenzio | Gnomeregan isn't being made into a full city |
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| 07:48.23 | Jamash | yeah it'll be like sen'jin |
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| 08:00.33 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 08:00.35 | Fisker | i jamashed |
| 08:01.44 | Fisker | did you Jamash ? |
| 08:03.45 | Nobgul | Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 1070.45kb/s ¤ Current Upstream: 28.24kb/s) |
| 08:05.02 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:05.04 | Shirik | did you fisker? |
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| 08:06.45 | Fisker | i did Shirik |
| 08:06.48 | Fisker | now i have to work |
| 08:06.49 | Fisker | bai |
| 08:07.07 | Shirik | Wow, I just crashed mirc |
| 08:07.20 | Shirik | I tried to output my bandwidth usage and then it was like "wtf is this" |
| 08:08.13 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:08.17 | Nobgul | What script u using? |
| 08:08.23 | Dagmar | I will be *so* mad at this Sephiroth guy if it turns out Intel's just been waiting all this time for me to own up to things. |
| 08:08.24 | Nobgul | Memory Usage: (Usage: 0/2048MB (0.00%)) ¤ (--------------------------------------------------) |
| 08:08.25 | Fisker | actually belay that order Shirik |
| 08:08.32 | Fisker | moo: ram: 4476/12279.1MB (36.45%) [||||------] |
| 08:08.34 | Nobgul | err mem usage is fubar |
| 08:08.47 | Nobgul | CPU Info: (4 CPU's - AMD Phenom 9500 Quad-Core Processor, 2.21 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (5% Load)) |
| 08:09.05 | zenzio | Dagmar: ? |
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| 08:09.27 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 08:09.30 | Amarande | Yow. |
| 08:09.30 | Shirik | Nobgul: nbs-irc |
| 08:09.34 | Amarande | There weren't elite 80s outside of Gnomer before. |
| 08:09.39 | Nobgul | Hai! |
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| 08:09.59 | Amarande | *is glad for feign death and the fact that these elites mostly hit like a girl for 80 elites* |
| 08:10.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: The reclaiming, remember? They're nice _beefy_ elites, too |
| 08:10.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: Not really. They only hit for about 1250 on what's mostly Outland mail still. |
| 08:10.20 | Nobgul | Video Card: (nVidia GeForce 6600) ¤ Sound Card: (USB Audio Device) |
| 08:10.30 | Amarande | Not enough to kill you if you're running in, at least on a hunter that can feign once they're a bit inside. |
| 08:10.30 | Dagmar | zenzio: Someone apparently put a copy of the Hacker Inside logo up on Wikipedia, but kinda lamely attributed it to themselves. I'm rectifying that. |
| 08:11.06 | Amarande | Probably enough to make you easy pickings for Alliance honor hunters if you try to actually fight them at 80, though. |
| 08:11.14 | Dagmar | Parody or not, I know there's lawyers craven enough to sue me anyway over it, but after fourteen years of it floating around I could probably win the suit just by dressing up and being polite. |
| 08:11.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: I was impressed they were a threat at all. I had logged out there waiting for the event. LOOOOL |
| 08:12.04 | Dagmar | Logged into to a serious roflstomping in progress |
| 08:14.08 | amro | shirik uses noob's irc |
| 08:14.46 | Shirik | I use irc of awesomeness thank you very much |
| 08:15.39 | amro | I don't even think it follows the standard |
| 08:15.48 | amro | I don't recall reading Client MAY be a total piece of shit. |
| 08:16.04 | Nobgul | lol |
| 08:17.35 | Nobgul | Eh guess it's time to nod off for a hour while I can. |
| 08:17.40 | Fisker | moo: cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (x64) at 2663MHz (4% Load) |
| 08:17.51 | Nob-AfK | i want a i7 |
| 08:17.53 | Fisker | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - Service Pack 1, v.721 (6.1.7601) up: 5days 6hrs 1min 51secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (x64) at 2663MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB res: 1920x1200 32bit 59Hz ram: 4290/12279.1MB (34.93%) [|||-------] hdd: C:\ 12.71GB/74.43GB D:\ 2.22TB/3.64TB F:\ 454.17GB/1.82TB I:\ 465GB/465.1GB net: Realtek PCIe |
| 08:17.54 | Fisker | GBE Family Controller - 100MB/s 11.56GB In 10.95GB Out |
| 08:18.00 | Nob-AfK | i can't play the new final fantasy |
| 08:18.24 | Fisker | i want a sandy bridge |
| 08:18.28 | Fisker | and a Intel G3 SSD |
| 08:18.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: what's that wikimedia guy's personal message this time ... "oh noes, we need more moneys" again? |
| 08:18.39 | Nob-AfK | Temperature: (Deactivated by user) |
| 08:18.41 | amro | why would anyone care about your NIC? |
| 08:18.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: Pretty much |
| 08:18.48 | Nob-AfK | Network Interfaces: (#1 (NETGEAR WG111v2 54Mbps Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport (36Mb/s) 3493.33MB In, 286.75MB Out)) |
| 08:18.52 | Fisker | why wouldn't they amro ? |
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| 08:19.02 | Dagmar | Nob-AFK: It thinks your clock cycles are *delicious* |
| 08:19.08 | amro | because they shouldn't |
| 08:19.26 | Nob-AfK | Dagmar: Eh? |
| 08:19.30 | Fisker | it's like he totally downloaded 11GB OMG |
| 08:19.35 | Dagmar | armo: Unless he has an Atheros or some of the integrated Realtek chipsets. ...then their reaction should be deep, deep scorn. |
| 08:19.53 | Nob-AfK | Display Info: (1280x720 32bit 60Hz) ¤ Monitor: (Plug and Play Monitor) |
| 08:19.59 | Dagmar | Nob-AFK: The new Final Fantasy. It's a freakin' BEAST for working the GPU |
| 08:20.22 | Amarande | is a GTS 250 adequate? |
| 08:20.27 | Dagmar | I'd say an nVidia 9800 is what they should be claiming the minimum requirements are, personally. |
| 08:20.33 | Nob-AfK | Dagmar: I got it installed patched. But when i go to log in it shits on me |
| 08:20.42 | Nob-AfK | =/ |
| 08:20.57 | zenzio | O_o |
| 08:20.59 | Dagmar | Nob-AFK: I'll light a candle for you. It looks like they got the engine working but kinda forgot to flesh out much of a story |
| 08:21.05 | Nob-AfK | lol |
| 08:21.10 | Dagmar | It |
| 08:21.14 | Dagmar | It's _damn_ pretty |
| 08:21.25 | Fisker | http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201011/20101114235332_16.JPG <-i lol'd btw |
| 08:21.29 | Nob-AfK | I canceled the "trial" time when I first couldn't play so i still have my 90 day trial |
| 08:21.31 | Dagmar | They didn't mess about when doing the cloth physics |
| 08:21.56 | zenzio | what's this, FFXIV? |
| 08:22.07 | Dagmar | As to whether or not a 250 can handle it, I can only say that my 8800 _struggled_ with it |
| 08:22.29 | Fisker | Wow Firefox 14 zenzio? |
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| 08:25.16 | Fisker | why won't it stop Shirik ? |
| 08:26.15 | Fisker | help Shirik help |
| 08:26.30 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 08:26.30 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 08:28.52 | LebQzz | lol got a nasty tip from blizzard... |
| 08:28.57 | LebQzz | click on the Lightwell |
| 08:29.42 | unfo- | :D |
| 08:30.06 | LebQzz | but but but.... I'm a warrior... i hardly see any priests |
| 08:31.10 | Xyphoid | it's a metaphor |
| 08:31.51 | LebQzz | lol a pally belf on her horse and i started dinging, Look at your horse, your horse is amazing, can i give it a lick... mmmm it taste just like raisins |
| 08:32.02 | Dagmar | You're on a horse! |
| 08:32.23 | LebQzz | take a good hard look because I'm riding on a horse |
| 08:32.32 | Amarande | yay I think I'm fighting the AT&T boss again |
| 08:32.42 | LebQzz | hehe he's tha boss |
| 08:32.54 | Amarande | the one whose attack consists of causing you to DC |
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| 08:35.12 | Amarande | Finish Gnomer, DC. Reconnect, hearth to Garadar, click on flight master, DC. Reconnect, click on flight master, fly to Shattrath, reach Shattrath, DC. |
| 08:35.54 | Nob-AfK | there is a good post on mmo champ on ghostcrawler hehe |
| 08:36.19 | Amarande | you know this didn't really happen this much before 4.0, either |
| 08:36.26 | Amarande | why are there so many DC's since the patch? |
| 08:36.36 | Nob-AfK | Addon caused dc's? |
| 08:36.43 | Dagmar | Is it just you or a lot of your guild as well? |
| 08:36.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: someone I was talking to who was on the same server apparently DC'd |
| 08:37.04 | Amarande | there's been a night or two where we had issues with people DCing in mid raid |
| 08:37.14 | LebQzz | that problem we had aswell.. |
| 08:37.15 | Amarande | and of course, there's the infamous DC every time we wipe in RS issue |
| 08:37.23 | Nob-AfK | lol Amarande love that one. |
| 08:37.25 | LebQzz | new cables new router new isp changed that |
| 08:37.39 | Nob-AfK | But not as good as the wipe in icc and don't realize your alive and run off the cliff |
| 08:38.13 | greppy | Nob-AfK: I like the survive rezzing alive, mount up, fly to ICC, misjudge the height a little bit, get dismounted and go splat. |
| 08:38.17 | Amarande | Oh GOD. |
| 08:38.20 | Nob-AfK | lol |
| 08:38.25 | Amarande | Friend reconnects, try to talk to him, asking him if he DC'd. DC. |
| 08:38.40 | Amarande | That's the fourth DC in the last ten minutes or so. |
| 08:38.48 | Nob-AfK | >_< |
| 08:38.54 | greppy | Amarande: cable or dsl? |
| 08:38.57 | Amarande | Cable |
| 08:39.03 | Amarande | it seems to be a Battle.net/WoW specific issue |
| 08:39.06 | LebQzz | wcall the isp |
| 08:39.09 | greppy | see if you can get to http://192.168.100.1 |
| 08:39.14 | LebQzz | make em check the connection |
| 08:39.16 | Amarande | apparently related to crappy routers located between here and B.net |
| 08:39.24 | greppy | *nod* |
| 08:39.27 | Amarande | apparently routers located on the AT&T backbone, hence why we call it the AT&T Boss |
| 08:39.34 | LebQzz | hehe |
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| 08:39.39 | greppy | interesting. |
| 08:39.53 | greppy | Amarande: lemme take a look and see if I can find anything. |
| 08:40.06 | Amarande | AT&T Executives obviously go on my list of People Who are Like Slinkies |
| 08:40.10 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- shitty flash ads |
| 08:40.29 | Fisker | i can't find it :( |
| 08:40.34 | Amarande | Some people are like Slinkies. They're not really good for anything, but it's still fun to watch them fall down the stairs. |
| 08:40.37 | Fisker | and it's an ad for harry potter |
| 08:40.39 | Fisker | rage rage rage |
| 08:40.52 | LebQzz | you dont like hp? |
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| 08:41.21 | Fisker | i hate harry potter |
| 08:41.23 | LebQzz | gd |
| 08:41.27 | Fisker | just as much as i hate flash ads |
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| 08:41.52 | Fisker | when they can't fucking get it through their fucking thick skulls to make an ad that doesn't erronously play itself without actually activating it |
| 08:42.01 | LebQzz | what i hate is sites that loads the ADS before its content or allows ads to black the screen and you ahave to click a mysterious close link |
| 08:42.03 | Fisker | die die die |
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| 08:42.34 | greppy | Amarande: what realm do you play on? |
| 08:44.46 | Amarande | greppy: Turalyon |
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| 08:44.48 | Amarande | (US) |
| 08:44.52 | greppy | k |
| 08:45.00 | greppy | goes poking around on the network. |
| 08:45.29 | Amarande | Leb: I've heard of one popup ad that managed to somehow completely take over my friend's browser to the point that she had to actually end process via task manager to not have to click OK on it |
| 08:47.56 | LebQzz | lol |
| 08:48.03 | LebQzz | I've had a virus from an add. |
| 08:48.28 | LebQzz | that pissed me off soo much.. it blocks all sites in general.. and antivirus sites and shit.. and all it gives you are adds |
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| 08:52.54 | greppy | Amarande: do me a favor, if/when you DC again, speak up :) |
| 08:54.15 | Amarande | Leb: also ads to black the screen is familiar to me |
| 08:54.23 | Amarande | every lyrics site I visit now pretty much has such ads for ringtones |
| 08:56.35 | Trela | squeals all happy like! |
| 08:57.09 | zenzio | Amarande: any time I look up lyrics, I yearn for the glory days of lyrics.ch |
| 08:57.19 | zenzio | that was so long ago now |
| 09:00.26 | LebQzz | seen it at some download wow patch places |
| 09:04.35 | ccox | Grrrr - 4 orange enchants and no skillup just should not be possible... |
| 09:04.47 | LebQzz | that isnt possible |
| 09:04.53 | LebQzz | are you maxed in your skill? |
| 09:05.31 | zenzio | god, I did that mistake with mining on an alt a while back |
| 09:05.39 | LebQzz | heheh |
| 09:05.46 | LebQzz | done that a few times |
| 09:08.02 | airtonix | um wut? |
| 09:08.09 | airtonix | virus from an addon ? |
| 09:08.21 | Xyphoid | nmad, not addon |
| 09:08.24 | Xyphoid | ad, even |
| 09:08.30 | airtonix | an advert |
| 09:08.40 | zenzio | isement |
| 09:08.45 | airtonix | Attention Deficiency |
| 09:09.11 | LebQzz | from jan 3rd and onwards. |
| 09:09.20 | LebQzz | i have school from 10-12 every day |
| 09:09.24 | LebQzz | nice and low hours |
| 09:09.40 | airtonix | so why are you not using noscript and adblock ? |
| 09:09.53 | LebQzz | using google chrome now ;P |
| 09:10.12 | LebQzz | but most sites actually loads the ad before the content.. thats whats pissing me off |
| 09:10.32 | airtonix | then use notscript |
| 09:10.40 | airtonix | less qq |
| 09:10.49 | Dagmar | Chrome does a pretty good job of keeping it under control |
| 09:10.52 | airtonix | and adblock |
| 09:11.30 | airtonix | actually google chrome on linux is subpar compared to chrome on windows or mac |
| 09:11.31 | zenzio | while I agree it's smart to use noscript/adblock-type addons, I don't think that's really the point of this discussion |
| 09:11.49 | airtonix | and even then chrome in terms of security is subpar compared to firefox on any OS |
| 09:11.50 | zenzio | at least the way I read it this was more a general "I rememeber when ads didn't suck so bad" |
| 09:12.12 | airtonix | i just dont remember adverts |
| 09:12.37 | airtonix | if you remember adverts then they've won half the mindfuck battle they wage on you |
| 09:12.43 | Amarande | yeah doesn't orange still always give a skill up? |
| 09:12.51 | Amarande | otoh, I've had cases where five yellow crafts in a row didn't give a skill up |
| 09:13.01 | airtonix | first rule of an advert is to be noticed |
| 09:13.18 | Amarande | I guess it balances getting golden pearls back to back off of the first two bigmouth clams I opened during a turtle leather farming session in hinterlands |
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| 09:14.10 | Amarande | and in total 4 pearls out of 9 |
| 09:14.38 | LebQzz | yep orange = skillup |
| 09:14.46 | Amarande | 2 golden, 1 black and 1 of the white ones at that tier that I can't remember the name of |
| 09:14.56 | Amarande | and people sometimes go through hundreds of those without getting a single golden |
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| 09:26.50 | ccox | LebQzz: nope, not maxed, I managed to skill up with another recipe a moment later |
| 09:27.09 | ccox | but I still lost the mats and points for those 4 recipes |
| 09:29.44 | ccox | hmm, where's a good pastey site for images? |
| 09:30.06 | Xyphoid | imgur is okay |
| 09:31.11 | ccox | http://imgur.com/4jmAo |
| 09:33.34 | Mirrormn | is that supposed to indicate that you created two icewalker enchants and only one gave you a skill? |
| 09:33.50 | ccox | look at the 4 enchants before that |
| 09:33.55 | ccox | that gave zero skill |
| 09:34.00 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 09:34.04 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 09:34.07 | ccox | yeah |
| 09:34.09 | Mirrormn | no arguing with that ^_^ |
| 09:34.26 | ccox | I have the before picture as well |
| 09:34.33 | Mirrormn | maybe your enchant mod is misreporting the difficulty somehow? |
| 09:34.44 | ccox | nope, double checked that |
| 09:34.57 | Xyphoid | are you a belf? the enchanting skill bonuses behave oddly |
| 09:34.58 | Mirrormn | well ain't that some shit |
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| 09:35.39 | ccox | character icon, upper left |
| 09:35.43 | ccox | that ain't no belf |
| 09:37.24 | ccox | not sure if this is worth a bug report or not, it's just 96g or so worth of mats |
| 09:37.36 | ccox | but it probably indicates a bug in the application or their data tables |
| 09:37.48 | ccox | but they won't get around to fixing it for months because of cataclysm |
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| 09:39.42 | LebQzz | lol most likely the new patch before cata has alot of changes |
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| 10:18.16 | airtonix | you know how much it takes to kill a zombie |
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| 10:18.48 | LebQzz | what if you cut off its head |
| 10:18.50 | airtonix | fisker, i dont't think trolling is going to help you survive the upcoming zombie apocalypse |
| 10:18.55 | LebQzz | hehe |
| 10:20.47 | Fisker | i think i just came airtonix |
| 10:20.53 | Fisker | http://kotaku.com/5689851/how-kinect-can-build-a-3d-model-of-your-bedroom |
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| 10:43.52 | LebQzz | Fisker thats fucked nice |
| 10:43.59 | LebQzz | did you see the jonny lee movie? |
| 10:44.05 | Fisker | no? |
| 10:46.05 | LebQzz | look in the comments theres a vid |
| 10:46.09 | LebQzz | thats messed up ;P |
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| 11:07.36 | jnwhiteh | holy hellp |
| 11:07.38 | jnwhiteh | hell |
| 11:07.39 | jnwhiteh | with Clique |
| 11:07.40 | jnwhiteh | as a hunter |
| 11:07.48 | jnwhiteh | I can easily fight three different mobs at once |
| 11:07.54 | jnwhiteh | two is just stupidly trivial. |
| 11:08.02 | jnwhiteh | with a hovercast binding for arcane shot, I shoot one of them |
| 11:08.10 | jnwhiteh | my auto attack will go on them since I target them when tey attack me |
| 11:08.18 | jnwhiteh | then I can hover over any other and just shoot random arcane shots at them |
| 11:08.21 | jnwhiteh | beef! |
| 11:08.32 | airtonix | l2nkeyboardturnnoob |
| 11:08.52 | jnwhiteh | huh? |
| 11:10.32 | Amarande | wait, you use clique for dps? |
| 11:10.52 | Amarande | well, I guess that's nifty, anyway. :) |
| 11:11.05 | Amarande | unlike some offbeat things that just make me want to beat people, like that one UK group the other night. |
| 11:11.23 | Amarande | DK that wouldn't stop standing in front of dragons, and warlock that insisted on using hellfire in the instance |
| 11:11.32 | Amarande | and of course they complain about ME if I don't keep them healed |
| 11:11.41 | jnwhiteh | you can use it for dps |
| 11:11.42 | Amarande | they'll be in for a rude awakening when they get into raids |
| 11:11.45 | jnwhiteh | and I would now, for a hunter |
| 11:11.57 | jnwhiteh | or anytime I need to ranged stun, something like that |
| 11:11.59 | jnwhiteh | pretty nifty |
| 11:12.06 | Amarande | honestly, I think healers need to be nerfed in the leveling stage |
| 11:12.10 | jnwhiteh | hunters are super easy because the auto-attack hits the first one you shot |
| 11:12.11 | Amarande | and I say that AS MY HEALER |
| 11:12.31 | greppy | speaking of raids... got a friend that his raid group insists on NOT cleansing on rotface... is this a common problem, ie did someone write a strat that said not to do that? |
| 11:12.31 | Amarande | healers are made too strong while leveling, which lets too many bad DPS get away with bad tactics that they should be getting a harsh lesson about from the get go |
| 11:12.55 | Amarande | greppy: wtf? |
| 11:13.04 | Amarande | we always cleanse on rotface, and we do it in double time on heroic rotface |
| 11:13.04 | greppy | Amarande: that was my resonse. |
| 11:13.15 | greppy | *nod* |
| 11:13.27 | Amarande | how many HMs has his guild cleared? or are they even KS yet? |
| 11:13.43 | greppy | no KS yet that I know of. |
| 11:13.55 | greppy | they can't get normal PP down and have issues, obviously, with rotface. |
| 11:15.16 | greppy | I was just wondering if someone had written some half-assed guide that told people not to cleanse on rotface :) |
| 11:15.34 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 11:15.45 | Dagmar | Ya kinda wanna let people get over to the big booger first |
| 11:15.53 | Dagmar | <-- uses Stoneform |
| 11:16.02 | Spejnar | instant dispell, those things do fuckton of dmg |
| 11:16.09 | greppy | *nod* |
| 11:16.11 | Spejnar | just dispell and nuke with bloodlust ^^ |
| 11:16.15 | greppy | <-- kite tank |
| 11:16.50 | Amarande | I still remember one hilarious rotface wipe |
| 11:16.59 | Amarande | granted, at the time, we were already going to wipe, so it didn't actually matter |
| 11:17.18 | Amarande | but I desperately tried to taunt the ooze after the ooze tank died (as DKs are particularly good kite tanks) |
| 11:17.27 | greppy | yup, we are :) |
| 11:17.32 | Amarande | ... and ended up kiting Rotface instead for the last ten or fifteen seconds or so of the wipe LOL |
| 11:17.38 | greppy | hahhaa |
| 11:18.09 | Spejnar | you should try kiting LK, quite fun |
| 11:18.31 | greppy | reminds me of my wife hitting distracting shot on heroic saurfang, right as he enraged, he ran over, one shot her, and the rest of the raid downed him while he was running. |
| 11:18.43 | zenzio | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4087919/how-can-i-improve-my-paw-detection/4092160#4092160 o_O |
| 11:18.56 | Spejnar | I totally never did that on saur25 hm..., twice |
| 11:19.29 | Spejnar | but the teleporting beasts were awesome, one of them fell down and decided to eat me with a teleport, they laughed at me :( |
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| 11:20.22 | Amarande | greppy: heh. |
| 11:20.28 | Amarande | I hit Dark Command on saur25 once ;) |
| 11:20.30 | Humbedooh | LebQzz: http://pastey.net/142884 |
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| 11:20.49 | Amarande | thankfully he was down to 3% or so and I wasn't marked so it didn't matter, but it was hilarious to see me get godsmacked and then saurfang went back to his usualness for the last few seconds |
| 11:20.53 | Amarande | Heya MoonWitch :) |
| 11:21.00 | zenzio | "Male blood elves have received a crash course in dancing and now know to stop dancing when they run." - heh |
| 11:21.03 | MoonWitch|Mobile | hey Amarande |
| 11:21.03 | greppy | hehe |
| 11:21.06 | Amarande | how goes? |
| 11:21.38 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so so -- i was considering attaching a mobile auth to my account, but i already have an auth attached |
| 11:22.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (I want to use it like so : mobile auth for when i log in on the laptop, other auth for desktop, because i am deadly afraid i lose the actual physical auth) |
| 11:22.34 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and how goes with you? |
| 11:23.00 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch|Mobile: use FlexAuth and your phone |
| 11:23.12 | greppy | MoonWitch|Mobile: as far as I know, you can only have one auth per account. |
| 11:23.14 | jnwhiteh | then you can back up the secret number and recover it if necessary |
| 11:23.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ah |
| 11:23.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: you are indeed a smart man |
| 11:23.54 | jnwhiteh | I have a ruby script that is my authenticator on my desktop |
| 11:24.02 | jnwhiteh | uses Mac OS X Keychain to store the secret |
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| 11:24.07 | jnwhiteh | and I have FlexAuth on my phone set to the same secret |
| 11:24.11 | jnwhiteh | so I've got it wherever I need it |
| 11:24.23 | Amarande | my phone doesn't support auth, that I know of :( |
| 11:24.35 | Amarande | but I'm going to wait till this contract expires instead of getting an upgrade in feb |
| 11:24.37 | jnwhiteh | I have an Android phone, and I don't use Blizzard's auth |
| 11:24.41 | jnwhiteh | I use Antiarc's |
| 11:24.42 | Amarande | because I really don't want to lock myself into AT&T again for another two years |
| 11:24.47 | jnwhiteh | which is 100 times better |
| 11:25.32 | Amarande | "I have AT&T" sounds almost like admitting to having some sort of illness. heh. |
| 11:25.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol Amarande true |
| 11:26.04 | MoonWitch|Mobile | just threw away half of her clothes... All fell off without effort >.< |
| 11:26.30 | A-KO | Unfortunately, all of the cell providers are generally the same. |
| 11:26.33 | A-KO | Collusion ftl |
| 11:27.12 | A-KO | same experience on all of them really |
| 11:27.51 | A-KO | some people will have a better experience with AT&T, others with Verizon, others with Sprint. And some of that might really be valid, maybe your particular area doesn't have as good as coverage as another, etc etc. |
| 11:27.57 | A-KO | doesn't mean the other is bad, just bad "for you" :P |
| 11:28.03 | A-KO | the pricing models are mostly the same |
| 11:28.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: i am grabbing flexauth :) |
| 11:28.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Now I must go shopping!! |
| 11:28.38 | MoonWitch|Mobile | see you guys later (and again thank you0 |
| 11:32.19 | Amarande | A-KO: mostly it's that AT&T has poor reception in my area |
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| 11:32.30 | Amarande | I can't even have a full convo riding in the car between here and work because there are several dead zones |
| 11:32.54 | A-KO | see in mine they're not too bad. The only time I end up having dead zones are when I"m between certain buildings downtown. |
| 11:33.09 | Jamash | do you have an auth for the DS? |
| 11:33.17 | A-KO | and there's like one area between a 15 mile away suburb town and the city that has a dead zone |
| 11:33.55 | A-KO | Amarande: the nice thing is that AT&T created an app on the iphone where you can GPS report dead zones--so areas they thought they had covered, they can double check ;) |
| 11:34.07 | A-KO | They've put up a bunch of towers as a result of that |
| 11:34.19 | Jamash | I'm imagining someone trying to use the app while in the dead zone |
| 11:34.49 | Jamash | "Unable to report inability to connect: Unable to connect." |
| 11:35.35 | zenzio | that reminds me of that forum signature where someone modified the "You have been disconnected" dialog to include a "Not okay" button |
| 11:37.58 | A-KO | Jamash: it will cache it :P Or you can later on move the marker to where the dead zone was |
| 11:48.13 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, flexauth is the thing Antiarc made? (is it hardcoded to only work with battlenet or can i make it use a custom server for purposes other than wow ? ) |
| 11:48.23 | jnwhiteh | it uses battle.net |
| 11:50.45 | jnwhiteh | but the source is avaialable |
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| 11:52.29 | airtonix | http://cdn-2.androidzoom.com/screenshots/71437-1.jpg what are the black widgets in this screenshot ? |
| 11:52.42 | airtonix | which app provides them ? |
| 11:52.43 | jnwhiteh | the auth codes? |
| 11:52.47 | jnwhiteh | flexauth |
| 11:52.54 | airtonix | apart from flexauth |
| 11:52.59 | jnwhiteh | .. no |
| 11:53.01 | jnwhiteh | that's FlexAuth |
| 11:53.06 | airtonix | the weather too ? |
| 11:53.06 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 11:53.08 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:53.14 | jnwhiteh | weather is the News & Weather widget |
| 11:53.20 | jnwhiteh | and the one above it is the music widget |
| 11:53.21 | airtonix | they seem to follow a common theme |
| 11:53.35 | jnwhiteh | its just the same gradient |
| 11:53.37 | airtonix | is it dxTOp ? |
| 11:53.42 | jnwhiteh | not surprising, the music widget source is fully available |
| 11:53.47 | jnwhiteh | so you could/would just copy that widget |
| 11:53.50 | jnwhiteh | when making a new one |
| 11:53.54 | jnwhiteh | if nothing else |
| 11:54.01 | jnwhiteh | no, not sure what you mean by dxTOp |
| 11:54.08 | jnwhiteh | those are GenieWidget.apk |
| 11:54.10 | jnwhiteh | and Music.apk |
| 11:54.18 | airtonix | so thats the default desktop and there is no custom desktop app beign used there to theme all widgets in a common fashion ? |
| 11:54.25 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:54.30 | jnwhiteh | they just ARE that theme. |
| 11:54.39 | jnwhiteh | no 'themeing' being done |
| 11:54.42 | airtonix | by coincidence ? |
| 11:54.50 | jnwhiteh | more by convention than anything |
| 11:54.51 | jnwhiteh | but yes. |
| 11:55.08 | airtonix | most widgets i see all try to impose their own theme |
| 11:55.13 | airtonix | looks horrible |
| 11:55.18 | jnwhiteh | well 2 of those are google's |
| 11:55.21 | jnwhiteh | the other one is FlexAuth |
| 11:55.32 | jnwhiteh | and clealy Antiarc chose to make them look like Google's |
| 11:55.35 | airtonix | so i have to end up using something like dxTOP or awLauncher to make them all look the same |
| 11:55.46 | jnwhiteh | ah I don't bother with that |
| 11:55.49 | jnwhiteh | I dont mind if they look different. |
| 11:55.53 | airtonix | i do |
| 11:56.03 | airtonix | i want it to look the way i want it to look |
| 11:56.25 | airtonix | and i hate it when people don't relegate theming subsystems to the desktop environment |
| 11:56.38 | airtonix | let the user decide the global theme |
| 11:57.07 | adys_ | am i the only one bothered by the entire page of aligned nicknames? |
| 11:57.07 | jnwhiteh | well android isn'treally designed that way righ tnow |
| 11:57.10 | jnwhiteh | I suspect they're moving towards it. |
| 11:57.33 | airtonix | this is what i love about gtk |
| 11:57.41 | airtonix | and gnome icon themes |
| 11:57.43 | adys_ | you what about gtk? |
| 11:58.34 | airtonix | adys_, that peoples stupid ideas about how their particular application should be themed is of no concern to gtk... |
| 11:58.44 | adys_ | i |
| 11:58.52 | adys_ | isnt that the case with.. every theming system? :P |
| 11:58.57 | airtonix | Adys, no |
| 11:59.11 | adys_ | i mean |
| 11:59.12 | airtonix | winforms lets you override the users chosen settings |
| 11:59.21 | adys_ | .. obviously |
| 11:59.27 | airtonix | and most often windows developers always do |
| 11:59.29 | adys_ | gtk does too, so does qt |
| 11:59.38 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 11:59.41 | adys_ | thats because windows devs tend to be idiots |
| 11:59.51 | adys_ | at least designwise |
| 12:00.06 | airtonix | i know |
| 12:00.14 | adys_ | gtk and qt both allow overrides |
| 12:00.17 | adys_ | and thank god for that |
| 12:00.30 | airtonix | its a really bad and arrogant choice to assume your users will want the theme you've chosen |
| 12:00.38 | adys_ | erm |
| 12:00.44 | adys_ | it doesn't have to be a bad choice |
| 12:00.46 | adys_ | look at chrome |
| 12:00.48 | adys_ | it's a gtk app |
| 12:00.58 | adys_ | lets you use the custom theme or the gtk theme |
| 12:00.59 | airtonix | i choose a theme in system > preferences > appearance for reason! |
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| 12:01.04 | adys_ | and thank god it has a custom theme... |
| 12:01.35 | airtonix | adys_, why ? |
| 12:01.44 | adys_ | because the gtk theme on chrome is fuck-ugly |
| 12:01.48 | airtonix | my gtk and metacity theme are better than chromes |
| 12:01.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Ildhesten (~Ildhesten@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk) |
| 12:02.05 | airtonix | and the POINT IS |
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| 12:02.13 | airtonix | i want my applications to look the way i want them too |
| 12:02.15 | airtonix | to |
| 12:02.40 | airtonix | i don't want a cluster fuck of design appearance |
| 12:02.50 | adys_ | what you're talking about is design consistency |
| 12:02.51 | airtonix | if i did, i'd be using windows |
| 12:03.11 | adys_ | use mac os if you want consistency :P |
| 12:03.15 | adys_ | linux isn't exactly better off |
| 12:03.16 | airtonix | well no |
| 12:03.21 | adys_ | it has standards but nobody follows them |
| 12:03.28 | airtonix | most of the apps i use doo |
| 12:03.39 | airtonix | pretty much all of them |
| 12:03.51 | adys_ | try using gtk and qt apps next to each other see how you like it |
| 12:03.54 | adys_ | i mean god |
| 12:03.59 | adys_ | using kate on gnome is like |
| 12:03.59 | Jamash | The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. |
| 12:04.00 | adys_ | ugh |
| 12:04.02 | airtonix | yeah qt sucks |
| 12:04.08 | airtonix | :) |
| 12:04.10 | adys_ | ... |
| 12:04.16 | adys_ | way to draw conclusions out of thin air |
| 12:04.34 | adys_ | qt on gtk sucks because gtk is terrible |
| 12:04.38 | adys_ | gtk on qt is actually decent |
| 12:04.45 | airtonix | not sure what you mean |
| 12:04.47 | adys_ | they have a qt-gtk theme conversion which works really well |
| 12:04.50 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure they're both terrible |
| 12:04.58 | adys_ | they both are, but gtk-on-qt less so |
| 12:05.00 | airtonix | i think kate is quite terrible too |
| 12:05.14 | adys_ | hows that relevant? |
| 12:05.22 | adys_ | we're talking about qt apps on gtk |
| 12:05.34 | airtonix | only qt app i use is vlc |
| 12:06.00 | adys_ | vlc looks decent on gnome because they have a massive userbase and put a lot of effort into it looking good on gtk |
| 12:06.11 | adys_ | just like chrome |
| 12:06.28 | adys_ | any other "basic" qt app will look like shit, especially kdeapps |
| 12:06.43 | adys_ | and honestly |
| 12:06.54 | airtonix | also kde apps should follow my gtk icon theme or gtfo |
| 12:07.03 | Jamash | kde is an abomination upon the face of the earth |
| 12:07.08 | airtonix | i think the default kde icons are horrible |
| 12:07.32 | adys_ | airtonix, it's gnome's fault they cant |
| 12:07.49 | adys_ | also Oxygen icons are much better now but not the point |
| 12:08.19 | adys_ | when you're developing with Qt, all the theming is handled by Qt. When you develop with gtk, you're often forced to drop to theming level and handle shit like that |
| 12:08.47 | adys_ | Qt lets you do it but in no way does it force you. Only times you'll want to do that is when you want to build a completely custom window |
| 12:09.26 | adys_ | ive been porting some gtk bullshit to qt, i'm sickened by how inconsistent gtk is on that front. |
| 12:09.28 | airtonix | Adys, no the point is i want the chosen icon them i chose to be the CHOSEN ICON THEME |
| 12:10.19 | adys_ | airtonix, distro? |
| 12:10.33 | airtonix | what does that matter ? |
| 12:10.39 | adys_ | airtonix, gnome on debian actually follows the icon theme freedesktop standards |
| 12:10.41 | adys_ | ubuntu doesn't |
| 12:10.45 | adys_ | i dont know about others |
| 12:11.11 | adys_ | kde follows it everywhere either way |
| 12:11.31 | adys_ | so if your icon themes are inconsistent, chances are: blame gnome or ubuntu |
| 12:11.34 | airtonix | im not sure what you mean by freedesktop standards ? it uses gnome and gnome uses a a specific icon theme spec as laid out on gnome.org |
| 12:12.01 | adys_ | fdk has a standard how to store the default icon theme |
| 12:12.03 | adys_ | dont ask me where |
| 12:12.13 | adys_ | and once again, Qt or GTK do NOT handle the "icon theme" |
| 12:12.17 | adys_ | KDE and Gnome do |
| 12:13.04 | adys_ | Qt has no OS-level setting. GTK does as part of gconf, ish, but it's not exactly tied and doesnt store the icon theme anyway afaik |
| 12:13.06 | adys_ | brb |
| 12:16.36 | Jamash | The fundamental problem is that X is garbage |
| 12:17.06 | Maldivia | go Y? |
| 12:17.15 | Jamash | it's been tried |
| 12:17.32 | airtonix | why is it garbage |
| 12:18.14 | Jamash | I'm sorry? |
| 12:18.23 | Jamash | Have you ever used it? |
| 12:18.28 | Kalroth | airtonix: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2000-March/000549.html |
| 12:18.28 | airtonix | um yes |
| 12:18.30 | adys_ | Jamash, well Qt has been ported to Wayland. gogo |
| 12:21.04 | sylvanaar_work | how many of you that are mod authors have one of those "fancy" ui's that people post of forums? |
| 12:21.12 | Jamash | ha |
| 12:21.40 | sylvanaar_work | im interested because - im applying to this guild, and they want a SS of my raid UI |
| 12:21.50 | sylvanaar_work | and its embarassingly plain |
| 12:22.00 | greppy | sylvanaar_work: why do they want to see your UI? |
| 12:22.08 | sylvanaar_work | no clue |
| 12:22.10 | adys_ | sylvanaar, depends, do you count "fancy" ui package devs as mod authors? :P |
| 12:22.21 | sylvanaar_work | no |
| 12:22.31 | adys_ | then somewhere next to none |
| 12:22.34 | sylvanaar_work | haha |
| 12:22.45 | sylvanaar_work | i think you are right |
| 12:22.54 | Jamash | sylvanaar_work: send them a SS with the UI turned off |
| 12:23.06 | adys_ | sylvanaar, what class do you play? |
| 12:23.24 | Mirrormn | yeah the best way to get into a raid guild is to make them think you're one of those people who refuses to play with mods |
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| 12:24.14 | sylvanaar_work | is that sarcasm? |
| 12:24.20 | adys_ | it's idiocy |
| 12:24.28 | adys_ | can be mistaken for sarcasm sometimes |
| 12:24.28 | Jamash | IMO anyone who needs a screenshot of an applicant's UI to tell if they're good is too stupid to lead a raid |
| 12:24.29 | Mirrormn | it's definitely sarcasm ^_^ |
| 12:24.34 | sylvanaar_work | i have always wanted one of those fancy UI's |
| 12:24.39 | adys_ | was talking about Jamash |
| 12:24.55 | Jamash | adys_ not exactly |
| 12:25.03 | adys_ | Jamash, an UI screenshot can tell you a lot about someone |
| 12:25.16 | Jamash | Either they'll get the joke and like you or they won't get the joke and reject you |
| 12:25.21 | Jamash | either way you win |
| 12:25.25 | Mirrormn | they don't judge you entirely on your UI, they just want to make sure certain things are in place |
| 12:25.41 | Mirrormn | and them not getting the joke and rejecting you *sure* doesn't sound like winning to me |
| 12:25.44 | adys_ | for example, if you /are/ one of these people who refuses to play with mods because "it's cheating", odds are you're incompetent in raids |
| 12:26.01 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, oAuth would be something comparable to what blizzard does with the authenticator apps ? |
| 12:26.02 | Jamash | Mirrormn: you win because they're not worth joining |
| 12:26.05 | adys_ | because who uses macros? right? it's cheating too. |
| 12:26.06 | sylvanaar_work | well i am clearly not someone that refuses to play with mods |
| 12:26.19 | Mirrormn | Jamash: that absolutely does not logically follow |
| 12:26.26 | Jamash | Mirrormn: yes it does |
| 12:26.48 | adys_ | Jamash, some people out there want to join guilds in order to raid, not "socialize" |
| 12:27.06 | Mirrormn | you honestly think that any guild leader who sees someone submit a UI screenshot with no mods and doesn't instantly think "OH LOL he's playing with no mods as a joke that's HILARIOUS" is not competent to lead a guild? |
| 12:27.08 | zenzio | sylvanaar_work: my UI when I was raiding was the default UI with a threat meter and tank target windows, nothing more |
| 12:27.24 | adys_ | and believe it or not, when a guild has hundreds of applicants, as the app manager you don't take every screenshot and say "OH LoL SARCASM I GET IT" |
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| 12:27.33 | Jamash | Mirrormn: I think anyone who *asks* for a UI screenshot is not competent to lead a guild |
| 12:27.34 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, basically mine is the new bliz frames and recount |
| 12:27.41 | sylvanaar_work | and prat of course |
| 12:27.57 | adys_ | Jamash, you're not even competent to judge people who lead a guild |
| 12:28.00 | Amarande | actually, I'm a five time KS and I barely ever use macros |
| 12:28.03 | Jamash | Mirrormn: And I didn't say a screenshot with no mods, I said a screenshot *with the ui turned off* |
| 12:28.06 | Mirrormn | well I think that if you don't understand how such information could be valuable, *you're* not competent to lead a guild |
| 12:28.14 | adys_ | Amarande, woosh. |
| 12:28.19 | airtonix | sylvanaar_work, that want to see that you're using gearscore... |
| 12:28.19 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 12:28.28 | sylvanaar_work | hahaha |
| 12:28.29 | Amarande | I think the last time I used macros was at a point when the RL had to tank LDW or something like that |
| 12:28.29 | Mirrormn | as in UIParent hidden |
| 12:28.32 | Amarande | and we didn't have vent yet |
| 12:28.46 | Amarande | and we needed someone to call out when we were about to get adds, which had to be a DPS because tanks and healers had their hands full |
| 12:28.49 | Jamash | Yes, as in Alt-Z |
| 12:28.50 | airtonix | sylvanaar_work, and if thats their way of saying we have loot problems .... |
| 12:29.05 | Mirrormn | well I think they would probably "get" that |
| 12:29.11 | Mirrormn | but they wouldn't think it was hilarious |
| 12:29.16 | Mirrormn | they would probably just find it annoying |
| 12:29.18 | sylvanaar_work | they also wanted WoR links |
| 12:29.20 | adys_ | and discard the app |
| 12:29.21 | sylvanaar_work | i had neither |
| 12:29.25 | sylvanaar_work | i have been in beta |
| 12:29.35 | adys_ | Jamash, as Mirrormn said, UI screenshots can hold information on the applicant |
| 12:29.39 | adys_ | tell you how they are, how they raid |
| 12:29.49 | adys_ | tell you how they bind their stuff |
| 12:29.54 | Jamash | adys_: in the same way urine tests tell you about a job applicant |
| 12:29.56 | sylvanaar_work | i havent raided since Mar. I'll prolly get rejected |
| 12:30.04 | Mirrormn | I actually got into my current guild because the class leader looked me up on worldoflogs, saw that my dps was great, and tried to recruit me |
| 12:30.13 | airtonix | sylvanaar, make sure you put healbot and that paladin buff thingo |
| 12:30.20 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 12:30.21 | Mirrormn | and it's been a great and fun experience |
| 12:30.28 | airtonix | sylvanaar, oh and gaudy skin for realyl deadly boss mods |
| 12:30.32 | adys_ | Jamash, once again, when a guild has hundreds of applicants, having an UI screenshot makes the process faster |
| 12:30.40 | Jamash | adys_: and if someone asked for one of those I'd submit a jar of apple juice |
| 12:30.53 | adys_ | you're completely missing the point |
| 12:30.57 | Jamash | for exactly the same reason |
| 12:31.05 | Jamash | adys_: No, you're missing the point |
| 12:31.08 | adys_ | if the guy doesnt use any addons in a raid as a healer, there's no point inviting them |
| 12:31.17 | Jamash | What if he's an awesome healer? |
| 12:31.22 | adys_ | he's not |
| 12:31.25 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 12:31.25 | Jamash | My guild leader doesn't use any addons. |
| 12:31.32 | adys_ | what class is he? |
| 12:31.33 | Jamash | He's a resto shaman. |
| 12:31.42 | sylvanaar_work | i cant play w/o clique - my friends make fun of me |
| 12:31.42 | unfo- | adys_, only addon you need as a raid healer is clique, since everything else is provided, and that wouldn't be visible in a screenshot |
| 12:31.59 | adys_ | unfo-, yeah, ui screenshots or list of addons |
| 12:32.03 | adys_ | my point is |
| 12:32.06 | Mirrormn | well, in that case, if you wanted to be particularly fair, the app reviewer would start up a conversation with the applicant asking him "hey, why do you have no mods for healing" |
| 12:32.16 | Jamash | The only healing-related addon I use when healing is Grid, and with the new raid UI I probably don't even need that |
| 12:32.18 | adys_ | it does help you trim the fat |
| 12:32.22 | Mirrormn | and then the applicant could either defend his choice, or be revealed as a retard |
| 12:32.26 | unfo- | you could recruit a MT healing pala without addons, since it is so easy ;) |
| 12:32.31 | adys_ | obviously |
| 12:32.40 | Jamash | It helps you fit square pegs into square holes, yes. |
| 12:32.41 | Mirrormn | but that conversation cannot start until the UI picture is submitted |
| 12:32.42 | Mirrormn | get it? |
| 12:32.48 | sylvanaar_work | i should say "I have foot pedals" |
| 12:32.51 | adys_ | Mirrormn is right |
| 12:32.55 | Jamash | If you only want a guild full of square pegs, good for you. |
| 12:33.14 | Mirrormn | okay well |
| 12:33.21 | Mirrormn | most guilds want square pegs |
| 12:33.28 | adys_ | yeah i give up |
| 12:33.37 | Mirrormn | round pegs do not make good raiders in 99.9% of cases |
| 12:33.39 | adys_ | social guilds are nice but they're not what we're talking about here |
| 12:33.50 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VTAGME/ref=oss_product |
| 12:33.59 | sylvanaar_work | this is a wierd reroll guild |
| 12:34.03 | Jamash | "social" does not mean "bad at raiding" |
| 12:34.06 | adys_ | B003VTAGME? |
| 12:34.15 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that my RL's only Mandatory Addon is DBM |
| 12:34.18 | Mirrormn | Jamash: in my experience... it really does |
| 12:34.21 | adys_ | Jamash, it does. |
| 12:34.38 | unfo- | sylvanaar_work, oh shi- using > 2 limbs ==> UR A WITCH! |
| 12:34.46 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 12:34.46 | Jamash | You know what? I'm glad I'm not on the same server as either of you |
| 12:34.52 | Mirrormn | I used to be in a fairly social guild - there were 5-8 people that were as good as me, but we had to fill the ranks with "social" people |
| 12:34.53 | greppy | Jamash: I use grid, not a fan of the bliz frames, they are better but still need work. |
| 12:34.55 | adys_ | Jamash, and if it doesn't, there's something wrong with the social aspect of your guild |
| 12:34.57 | Amarande | and we're a 10/12 HM ICC10 guild with multiple LK kills, so obviously he's doing something right :) |
| 12:34.59 | Mirrormn | and we progressed terribly |
| 12:35.01 | adys_ | and i've been in every guild type there is |
| 12:35.14 | Amarande | the real limitations we're having are more class based |
| 12:35.21 | adys_ | hardcore, casual, social, group-of-friends, massive 200 people guilds |
| 12:35.22 | adys_ | so on |
| 12:35.26 | Amarande | and that sometimes we only have 8 or 9 of the raid core available some weeks |
| 12:35.33 | sylvanaar_work | i want a massive guild, but cant find one |
| 12:35.54 | Amarande | the former leads to issues mostly with LDW heroic, and the latter is what's mainly making us do PP on normal most weeks and having issues with Sindy still |
| 12:35.57 | sylvanaar_work | with 200 people ONLINE |
| 12:35.59 | unfo- | sylvanaar_work, why do you want one, btw? |
| 12:36.09 | sylvanaar_work | lots of ppl to do stuff with |
| 12:36.12 | Amarande | we're multiple times KS, but we still often do not one shot Sindy in a week |
| 12:36.12 | unfo- | ok |
| 12:36.40 | sylvanaar_work | AND great for testing chat addons |
| 12:36.45 | Mirrormn | then I joined a "hardcore" guild, and not only have I now beaten the game, I actually *like* more of the people in my new guild |
| 12:36.56 | Jamash | you can't beat wow |
| 12:37.04 | unfo- | Mirrormn, like-mindedness is the key there |
| 12:37.11 | Mirrormn | *shrug* HLK on farm on tuesday raids |
| 12:37.19 | Jamash | ./golfclap |
| 12:37.22 | Amarande | I'm still not sure how wowprogress's rankings work |
| 12:37.22 | Mirrormn | it seems pretty beaten atm |
| 12:37.34 | unfo- | well there was this guy with ALL achievements done... i think that's beating the game ;D |
| 12:37.37 | Amarande | we're 10/12 (H) and are ranked below 9/12, a couple of 8/12 and even a 7/12 guild on there |
| 12:37.41 | Mirrormn | hehe true |
| 12:38.04 | Mirrormn | there is a guy in my guild with over 10,000 points, I think |
| 12:39.34 | Jamash | back to the topic, a screenshot of a player's UI tells you less than nothing about the player's skill |
| 12:39.43 | adys_ | skill no |
| 12:39.48 | adys_ | but the player itself, yes |
| 12:39.57 | adys_ | and thats an important thing when recruiting people |
| 12:40.05 | krka | i think you can infer some skill elements from the ui |
| 12:40.20 | Mirrormn | "skill" is not a scalar, measurable quantity anyway |
| 12:40.27 | Jamash | now, your reaction to it tells you a great deal about your prejudices |
| 12:40.34 | Jamash | but not about the player |
| 12:41.20 | adys_ | Jamash, as douchebaggy as it sounds, asking for the player's UI helps you trim the fat |
| 12:41.21 | Jamash | if player X raids with 100 addons and player Y raids with 1 addon, what does that tell you? |
| 12:41.48 | Mirrormn | and like I said before, oftentimes a UI screenshot facilitates conversations which much more deeply reveal the player's skill |
| 12:41.49 | sylvanaar_work | that player X is more likely to be running one of my addons |
| 12:41.55 | Mirrormn | that, I think, is the true value |
| 12:41.57 | the-golem | lol |
| 12:42.10 | Mirrormn | the UI screenshot is a good jumping off point for relevant conversation |
| 12:42.10 | adys_ | tells me player Y likely doesn't care much about the game, not the kind of people i want in my guild, and that player X will download whatever comes his way, ALSO not the kind of people i want in my guild |
| 12:42.18 | *** join/#wowuidev nightcracker (d50a012d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.10.1.45) |
| 12:42.23 | nightcracker | Hi all |
| 12:42.24 | Jamash | both wrong, kthxbai |
| 12:42.25 | adys_ | and I'm sorry if I miss on the "gem" by trimming the fat like that |
| 12:42.27 | adys_ | but it fucking helps |
| 12:42.42 | nightcracker | I finished my article on pixelperfection if anyone is interested: http://nclabs.org/articles/2 |
| 12:42.44 | adys_ | when i get 100 applicants a week in my guild, i really dont care about the one gem |
| 12:43.03 | Mirrormn | the "gem" would submit a screenshot of himself running no addons and then eloquently defend his decision to do so, anyway |
| 12:43.17 | Mirrormn | he wouldn't submit some kind of joke screenshot in contempt of the system |
| 12:43.35 | adys_ | if you want proof it works, I'm 100% positive that i dont want you, Jamash, in my guild, and this whole process would have eliminated you long ago |
| 12:43.44 | Mirrormn | hehe |
| 12:43.49 | Mirrormn | I'm kind of thinking the same thing |
| 12:43.50 | sylvanaar_work | lol, i didnt want to start a fight |
| 12:43.51 | Jamash | I would never have applied |
| 12:43.54 | adys_ | because you're the kind of player who's going to contest every single decision |
| 12:44.04 | adys_ | NOT the kind of people i want in my guild. |
| 12:44.08 | Jamash | because you obviously don't run a very good guild |
| 12:44.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Monolit (~postid08@89.112.4.92) |
| 12:44.30 | Mirrormn | I think you have a very strange definition of what a "good" guild is |
| 12:44.32 | adys_ | if i run a guild that asks for UI screenshots, this is how it works |
| 12:44.32 | sylvanaar_work | want to recruit me adys_ |
| 12:44.35 | Jamash | yes, I do |
| 12:44.44 | adys_ | theres good guild and good guild |
| 12:44.47 | Jamash | I'm with Groucho |
| 12:44.54 | adys_ | a social guild will not ask for an UI screenshot in the first place |
| 12:45.08 | adys_ | a social guild will likely not ask for an app |
| 12:45.11 | sylvanaar_work | let me show you their forum post |
| 12:45.12 | adys_ | it's on a friend-of-a-friend basis usually |
| 12:45.18 | the-golem | >.> |
| 12:45.23 | airtonix | GOGO DRAMA |
| 12:45.31 | adys_ | sylvanaar_work, would love to |
| 12:45.32 | adys_ | :p |
| 12:45.44 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_101310_193855.jpg appears to be my most recently uploaded UI screenshot since 4.0 |
| 12:45.46 | Jamash | PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER. |
| 12:45.54 | airtonix | accepted |
| 12:46.06 | adys_ | anyway sylvanaar_work just show your UI in action, if you dont have many addons list them |
| 12:46.13 | the-golem | >.> |
| 12:46.13 | adys_ | and youll be fine |
| 12:46.39 | airtonix | say your printscreen button is broken so you had to do a likeness in ms paint |
| 12:46.39 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: no, oAuth isn't really the same thing at all. |
| 12:46.42 | Amarande | I was never asked for an app with my guild, either |
| 12:46.51 | adys_ | airtonix, rebind it then. |
| 12:46.59 | Jamash | $ ls -ld1 */ | grep -v '^Blizzard' | wc |
| 12:46.59 | Jamash | 115 920 8408 |
| 12:47.14 | Amarande | after the first week as a PUG, I pretty much just kept on raiding with them weekly until eventually they're like "aren't you going to join?" and it wasn't long after that that I did |
| 12:47.30 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 12:47.43 | Jamash | ^correct way to join a guild |
| 12:47.59 | adys_ | not contesting that |
| 12:48.11 | sylvanaar_work | here is their forum post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026395847&sid=1 |
| 12:48.19 | sylvanaar_work | it sorta contrasts with their app |
| 12:48.21 | adys_ | but that doesnt make app trimming a bad thing if you do receive hundreds of apps a week. |
| 12:48.24 | adys_ | or even a month |
| 12:48.28 | Amarande | I was literally ginvited while standing at the Frozen Throne during one set of LK attempts. |
| 12:49.02 | Mirrormn | honestly that's a terrible terrible way to find applicants |
| 12:49.09 | Mirrormn | that's basically saying "do it randomly" |
| 12:50.05 | sylvanaar_work | all i know, is i dont ant to be stuck pugging heroics in cata - that just wont be possible |
| 12:50.05 | Mirrormn | there's no way any serious raiding guild could hope to trial every single person who ever expressed any interest in joining them |
| 12:51.00 | Mirrormn | so, in that example, Amarande gets into a raid as a PUG, which literally means he just happened to randomly be in the right place at the right time when they needed a warm body to fill a raid spot |
| 12:51.30 | sylvanaar_work | any of you members of the Syndicate? |
| 12:51.31 | Jamash | that's not how pugs become raid members |
| 12:51.42 | sylvanaar_work | that looks like a really interesting guild |
| 12:51.53 | Amarande | I'm usually hated with the Syndicate |
| 12:52.02 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.llts.org/ |
| 12:52.04 | the-golem | *chuckles* |
| 12:52.23 | Amarande | you know, they should have made it syndicate rep that you needed to get the insane ... ravenholdt is easier :) |
| 12:52.25 | greppy | I usually get into a guild by knowing someone there, be it a social guild or a raiding guild. |
| 12:52.34 | Mirrormn | Jamash: you're drawing a false equivalency between the entire process Amarande described and the singular event of submitting an application |
| 12:53.02 | Mirrormn | the real equivalency should be between Amarande happening to get invited to the pug in the first place, and the submission of the application |
| 12:53.10 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah ... I started as a PUG, then became a PUG that they wanted back each week, and eventually was core raider enough that it was silly for me to not belong to the guild |
| 12:53.28 | Mirrormn | in *either* case, the rest of the process (raiding for a while, getting to know each other, then finally accepting) could play out |
| 12:53.50 | Amarande | especially with the emphasis on guildedness in Cata with achievements and such |
| 12:54.18 | Mirrormn | no proper raid guild looks at a submitted application, and then says "yep, this application checks out, this guy is now a full member" |
| 12:54.58 | Jamash | Strawman: Let me know when you're done talking to Mirromn |
| 12:55.22 | Mirrormn | Stawman? I didn't say anything about you personally |
| 12:56.09 | Mirrormn | if you're just going to ignore me and accuse me of committing logical fallacies with absolutely no logic to back up those accusations, then there is obviously no reason for this argument to continue |
| 12:56.11 | Jamash | that's not how strawman arguments work |
| 12:56.29 | Jamash | you're thinking of "ad hominem" |
| 12:56.30 | LebQzz | new tip |
| 12:56.33 | LebQzz | dont stand in the fire |
| 12:56.34 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 12:56.40 | Mirrormn | yeah I might have confused the two ^_^ |
| 12:57.30 | the-golem | The two are quite commonly confused >.> |
| 12:58.07 | Mirrormn | okay, if you're going to ignore me and accuse me of committing logical fallacies instead of actually explaining what assumptions I have made that were not entirely accurate, then there is still no reason for this argument to continue |
| 12:58.42 | Jamash | You're saying that my argument is invalid because the application process is more complex than simply looking at a screenshot |
| 12:59.10 | Jamash | my argument is that submitting a screenshot is pointless because it tells you nothing |
| 12:59.17 | Jamash | or less than nothing |
| 12:59.44 | Mirrormn | by "less than nothing" do you mean that it has a good chance of leading you to false conclusions? |
| 12:59.48 | Jamash | yes |
| 13:00.03 | nightcracker | anyone here knows HTML standards very well? |
| 13:00.12 | mitch0 | w3c.org does |
| 13:00.18 | Mirrormn | well adys_ and I have petty much already given multiple reasons why a screenshot submission can be useful |
| 13:00.22 | Jamash | I have a number of friends who (although I consider them crazy for it) do very well despite using few to no addons |
| 13:00.30 | adys_ | nightcracker, what is it? |
| 13:00.31 | nightcracker | @mitch0 w3c.org is wrong: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnclabs.org%2Ffreeware.php&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&st=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.1 |
| 13:00.41 | nightcracker | @adys_ follow the link |
| 13:01.01 | airtonix | nightcracker, god is never wrong |
| 13:01.04 | adys_ | nightcracker, you need to escape & in the href |
| 13:01.07 | adys_ | into & |
| 13:01.09 | Jamash | I on the other hand use 40 addon bundles with over 100 installed addon directories |
| 13:01.15 | Humbedooh | LebQzz: http://pastey.net/142884 ! |
| 13:01.26 | adys_ | same for = |
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| 13:01.31 | adys_ | er sorry |
| 13:01.35 | adys_ | only the & |
| 13:01.40 | Mirrormn | and I never said that it's impossible to play well without addons, but that does not mean that a screenshot submission will necessarily lead to an improper conclusion |
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| 13:01.47 | nightcracker | yes? |
| 13:01.48 | Jamash | the number of addons you need to raid effectively is now so small that it doesn't matter |
| 13:01.50 | nightcracker | ok I'll try that |
| 13:02.09 | adys_ | nightcracker, yeah |
| 13:02.19 | the-golem | >.> |
| 13:02.34 | the-golem | You know, the error texts actually said that. |
| 13:02.41 | nightcracker | @adys_ I was like WTF don't you dare touch my URL's |
| 13:02.48 | the-golem | *whistles* |
| 13:02.52 | greppy | my raiding guild requires a threat meter, boss mods of some kind and vent. other than that, you are expected to use what you feel you need. |
| 13:03.24 | Mirrormn | as I said before, the best use of a screenshot submission is as a starting point for relevant conversation |
| 13:03.34 | nightcracker | @adys_ now you and w3c are wrong :P http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnclabs.org%2Farticles%2F1&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&st=1&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.1 |
| 13:03.45 | airtonix | NOU |
| 13:03.46 | the-golem | lol |
| 13:03.56 | nightcracker | no nono |
| 13:03.56 | the-golem | " & " |
| 13:03.57 | nightcracker | im just wrong |
| 13:03.58 | nightcracker | xD |
| 13:04.02 | adys_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.04 | Jamash | you fail at entity references |
| 13:04.06 | airtonix | LAWL |
| 13:04.11 | the-golem | forgot yer semicolon :P |
| 13:04.17 | nightcracker | yar :( |
| 13:04.20 | Mirrormn | this is basically the same argument as for gear score or dps meters; they are tools that provide information that can occasionally be interpreted wrong, but are still useful for the most part |
| 13:04.30 | Jamash | gear score is not useful |
| 13:04.31 | Humbedooh | hrmm |
| 13:04.37 | Humbedooh | you mean occasionally useful :p |
| 13:04.44 | Humbedooh | but wrong for the most part ;> |
| 13:04.46 | airtonix | lol gearscore |
| 13:04.48 | Jamash | ^ |
| 13:04.51 | nightcracker | fixed now |
| 13:04.58 | nightcracker | thanks |
| 13:05.09 | the-golem | claps |
| 13:05.31 | Jamash | I would get a *better* gearscore prancing around in pvp gear than pve gear now that wrathful is available without ratings |
| 13:05.42 | nightcracker | I'm thinking of switching to HTML5 for the giggles what do you guys think? |
| 13:05.43 | mitch0 | nightcracker: when I was young I used to blame the tools (like glibc) for stuff going wrong. I was rarely right about it ;) |
| 13:05.52 | Humbedooh | grapple > gearscore! (back when it worked*cough*) |
| 13:05.54 | adys_ | nightcracker, nothing wrong with that |
| 13:06.13 | Humbedooh | but alas, I have been too lazy to update it to cataclysm yet ;( |
| 13:06.13 | Mirrormn | Jamash: and that is certainly a good example of how Gearscore can be misinterpreted and used poorly |
| 13:06.25 | mitch0 | humbe: the good thing about gearscore is that everyone blames that for the broken inspect ;) |
| 13:06.27 | nightcracker | @adys_ all my pages are HTML 5 valid except that acronym is now obsolete |
| 13:06.29 | Mirrormn | but most people don't do that |
| 13:06.36 | Jamash | yes they do |
| 13:06.41 | adys_ | nightcracker, just use <!DOCTYPE html> |
| 13:06.46 | the-golem | *nod* |
| 13:06.46 | Humbedooh | and they would be right ^^ |
| 13:06.53 | nightcracker | @adys_ I'm not a complete fool, I know :P |
| 13:07.06 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.09 | adys_ | I don't know, you were blaming w3c for an unterminated entity. |
| 13:07.14 | Mirrormn | I've never seen anyone put on pvp gear specifically so that they could impress someone to get into a pug |
| 13:07.17 | Jamash | Mirromn: 99% of what gearscore is used for is as a bar to admit people to raids |
| 13:07.26 | Jamash | Mirrormn: have you looked? |
| 13:07.30 | Mirrormn | yes |
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| 13:07.40 | Jamash | At everyone who joins every pug. |
| 13:07.43 | Mirrormn | I've been a part of a fair number of pug raids in my time |
| 13:08.44 | airtonix | when i used to play wow about a year ago lots of people did that... but not to impress... only because they were too retarded or didn't care |
| 13:09.09 | Jamash | If I were the sort of person who joins pug raids that require a gearscore, I sure as hell would |
| 13:09.36 | Mirrormn | it's useful to be able to see "oh, this guy has a 4000 gear score? that means he has no Toc10 gear which means there's pretty much no way he could be viable in a ToGC10 group" |
| 13:09.36 | airtonix | then switch before boss ? |
| 13:09.41 | Jamash | Sure. |
| 13:09.56 | Jamash | Oh, so you're one of those people |
| 13:10.02 | Jamash | Gotcha. |
| 13:10.08 | airtonix | lol |
| 13:10.16 | Mirrormn | it's also useful when I join a heroic dungeon and see "oh, this tank has a 6300 gear score, which means he's probably done a lot of ICC25 heroic, which means I can probably actually dps this instance instead of holding back" |
| 13:10.39 | Mirrormn | "one of those people" who won't take people to raids for which they are terrible undergeared? yes, very much so |
| 13:10.50 | airtonix | Jamash, we need to start a social engineering plan to flood the pug market with 8000gearscore noobs that stand in fire |
| 13:11.03 | Jamash | "LFM tier X raid, must have gear from raid tier X+1" |
| 13:11.03 | adys_ | Jamash, more like "you're one of these people who consider themselves better than everybody, and would take a green-geared alt to a toc10 just because you know how it works and consider gear to be a tool" |
| 13:11.10 | adys_ | Does that sound like you? |
| 13:11.13 | Mirrormn | no, Jamash |
| 13:11.17 | adys_ | because it does to me. |
| 13:11.22 | Jamash | You just said that, Mirrormn |
| 13:11.38 | adys_ | Jamash, no he didnt |
| 13:11.40 | Mirrormn | in that example I gave, I very clearly made it be a "LFM tier X raid, must have gear from raid tier x - 1" |
| 13:11.47 | Jamash | oh, missed the G |
| 13:11.49 | Mirrormn | as in, like a reasonable progression |
| 13:11.51 | adys_ | he said "LFM tier X raid, must have gear from raid Tier X-1" |
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| 13:12.01 | Jamash | my bad |
| 13:12.23 | airtonix | i still think we should flood the market |
| 13:12.27 | Mirrormn | although I would normally probably go for "must have gear from raid tier x" if it's an instance that's been out for a while |
| 13:12.29 | the-golem | had to read that twice myself |
| 13:12.46 | adys_ | Mirrormn, aye |
| 13:12.52 | Jamash | adys_: there is no such thing as green gear in wrath |
| 13:12.59 | Mirrormn | because I am honestly not interested in teaching people how to do the content |
| 13:13.17 | airtonix | Mirrormn, then don't run pugs |
| 13:13.24 | Jamash | ^ |
| 13:13.25 | Mirrormn | well, I try not to |
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| 13:13.45 | Jamash | airtonix: like in http://xkcd.com/810/ ? |
| 13:13.46 | Mirrormn | actually I haven't pugged much at all for the past couple months |
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| 13:14.23 | airtonix | lol win |
| 13:14.51 | Jamash | Didn't Ghostcrawler say they thought about making an ilvl 300 epic shirt just to screw with GS? |
| 13:15.03 | Mirrormn | but my old guild used to pug people for togc10 all the time (and I often lead those groups) because we usually only had about 8 people who were actually good in our guild |
| 13:16.52 | Jamash | of course blizzard did it themselves more eloquently than I: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/equipmentpotency.xml |
| 13:17.49 | Mirrormn | and in my experience, the players who did had "poor" gear scores would perform well on Faction Champions about 20% of the time (indicating that some undergeared people do have skill), but would basically never be competitive on the meters for Anub'Arak (indicating that it really takes skill *and* gear to be a true asset to your group) |
| 13:18.31 | Jamash | what is "performing well" on faction champs? |
| 13:18.35 | Fisker | haha |
| 13:18.37 | Fisker | i told you |
| 13:18.40 | Fisker | patch 4.0.3 this week |
| 13:18.44 | Jamash | that's a fight where dps meters are meaningless |
| 13:18.59 | Mirrormn | being able to communicate on vent, being able to consistently keep a target cc'd, mostly |
| 13:19.57 | Mirrormn | iirc we would often be short a warlock and we would very often end up taking whatever warlock we could find who we thought had some chance of being able to keep the druid fear/banish locked |
| 13:20.18 | Mirrormn | and in doing so would very often have to set the standard for gear score pretty low |
| 13:20.31 | Jamash | I would note that my job on fights like Anub and Blood Princes is to pop balloons / keep balloons in the air, meaning my total dps ends up being quite low |
| 13:20.44 | Mirrormn | mmm |
| 13:20.57 | Mirrormn | in my old guild I used to solo balloon popping |
| 13:21.47 | Mirrormn | in my new guild mostly hunters do it but I'll fill in if one of the two regular hunters doesn't show up or dies |
| 13:21.55 | Jamash | what class do you play? |
| 13:21.55 | Mirrormn | same for ice thingies on LK transition phases |
| 13:21.58 | Mirrormn | mage |
| 13:21.59 | Jamash | ah |
| 13:22.12 | Jamash | hunters have an inherent advantage on that sort of thing |
| 13:22.17 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 13:22.48 | Mirrormn | I've found recently though that scorch-while-moving is a pretty damn useful ability for those kind of things |
| 13:23.01 | Mirrormn | it's also amazing in heroics |
| 13:23.02 | Jamash | the new mobility talents are quite delightful |
| 13:23.06 | Mirrormn | <3 scorch-while-moving |
| 13:23.35 | Fisker | so Jamash |
| 13:23.37 | Fisker | who's the man? |
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| 13:23.48 | Jamash | although I found it somewhat disconcerting when I realized I can't cancel Hellfire by moving |
| 13:24.00 | Jamash | or pressing escape |
| 13:24.14 | Mirrormn | oh, to finish my thought before |
| 13:24.15 | Jamash | I guess I should make a hellfire macro |
| 13:24.28 | Jamash | Fisker: Bruce Campbell |
| 13:24.33 | Fisker | NO |
| 13:24.36 | Fisker | I'M THE MAN |
| 13:24.42 | Fisker | i foresaw 4.0.3 this week |
| 13:24.43 | Jamash | the man with the power? |
| 13:24.51 | Mirrormn | when we were able to PuG people with mostly 245 gear, *especially* 245 gear *from ToGC10*, they almost always performed very well on both Faction Champs and Anub-Arak |
| 13:25.41 | Mirrormn | in fact I don't think I recall a single person who had a good set of 245 togc10 gear who was some kind of failure herp-derper |
| 13:25.51 | the-golem | It's true. Bruce Campbell is the man. |
| 13:25.52 | Jamash | what was your method of selecting pugs? |
| 13:26.07 | the-golem | I watch Burn Notice specifically for him. >.> |
| 13:26.09 | Jamash | did you walk around dalaran spamming /invite mouseover? |
| 13:26.21 | Mirrormn | I would generally advertise in trade asking for the specific classes we needed |
| 13:26.43 | Jamash | and then? |
| 13:26.44 | Mirrormn | then armory the people who responded, and discuss their armory profiles over vent with the rest of the group |
| 13:27.06 | Mirrormn | paying most attention to how much gear they had and how many togc10 achievements they had |
| 13:27.36 | Jamash | and when you armoried people, did you consider gems, enchants, armor type, spec, etc. or just the ilvl of the gear? |
| 13:27.55 | Mirrormn | gems and enchants, yes |
| 13:28.02 | Jamash | Gearscore doesn't include those. |
| 13:28.05 | Jamash | BAM |
| 13:28.21 | greppy | the in game addon does not, but wow-heroes.com does. |
| 13:28.27 | Mirrormn | "armor type" I assume means wearing the correct thing out of cloth/leather/mail etc. and I never saw anyone who messed that up |
| 13:28.36 | Jamash | and is wow-heroes gearscore? no, it isn't |
| 13:28.43 | Mirrormn | spec I generally didn't look at cause I don't know enough about specs of other classes |
| 13:29.02 | Mirrormn | okay, well, I won't argue with you that gearscore is not perfect ^_^ |
| 13:29.17 | Mirrormn | it's just something I use as a cursory first glance right now |
| 13:29.19 | Jamash | Elitist Group is awesome, but nobody seems to be maintaining it |
| 13:29.30 | Mirrormn | like as I described earlier |
| 13:29.46 | greppy | is glad that his server settled more on wow-heroes over "gear score", if they had to settle on anything. |
| 13:29.48 | Mirrormn | if I join a heroic dungeon, and notice that my tank has a 6300 gear score |
| 13:30.12 | Jamash | it analyzes class, spec and role, and highlights inappropriate gems, enchants, lack of gems/enchants, pvp gear, wrong spec gear, etc |
| 13:30.14 | Mirrormn | I can be reasonably sure that he will hold aggro off me much more effecively than one with a 400 gear score |
| 13:30.18 | Nob-AfK | New patch this week woot |
| 13:30.22 | Mirrormn | *4000 |
| 13:30.40 | Jamash | It does not produce a scalar, it shows you what's wrong |
| 13:30.44 | Mirrormn | if I have to do a super in depth analysis on someone, I would rather personally look at their profile, and, if possible, talk to them |
| 13:30.48 | Jamash | If everyone used EG I'd be happy |
| 13:30.51 | Mirrormn | than use a mod anyway |
| 13:31.11 | Jamash | well, EG shows you the same information as the armory except better |
| 13:31.18 | Mirrormn | how so? |
| 13:31.22 | Nobgul | Mirrormn: I agree talking to someone is far better then looking at numbers. |
| 13:31.41 | Mirrormn | yeah, talking to someone is best, especially if you have specific tasks in mind |
| 13:31.58 | Nobgul | Woah the alliance t11 is Woah |
| 13:32.06 | Nobgul | For most of them =( |
| 13:32.16 | Mirrormn | it can be difficult to find out everything you want via conversation, though |
| 13:32.23 | Jamash | http://www.wowace.com/addons/elitistgroup/images/12-user-info/ |
| 13:32.33 | Nobgul | Oh nvm aparently they chose to use worgan for the model's =X |
| 13:32.41 | Mirrormn | sometimes someone can know exactly what they're supposed to be doing, but then just totally fail at execution |
| 13:32.45 | mitch0 | hoho, my wow-heroes score is 1803. will you take me to any HC? :) |
| 13:32.48 | Jamash | that's not actually a really good example image because there's nothing wrong with the character's gear |
| 13:33.32 | Nobgul | Jamash: I use EG but do not rely on it 100% but yer its a good starting point |
| 13:34.24 | Nobgul | Not sure about the server that you play on but in the last month we have "run" "carried" or otherwise geared no guild members through no less then 11/12 heroic 10. |
| 13:34.28 | Mirrormn | I can't stop whistling the theme from Inception |
| 13:34.32 | Nobgul | non* |
| 13:34.43 | Mirrormn | despite it being very very little more than a simple minor scale |
| 13:35.01 | Nobgul | Lol anyone see the priest t11? |
| 13:35.11 | Nobgul | Guess ima going diving =P |
| 13:35.19 | Nobgul | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/tier11_priest_female_m.jpg |
| 13:35.39 | the-golem | thats... ouch |
| 13:35.45 | Nobgul | Yea lol |
| 13:36.02 | Nobgul | The mage looks the best yet again |
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| 13:36.18 | Nobgul | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/tier11_mage_female_m.jpg |
| 13:36.34 | zenzio | http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/143/143039/14303912/jpg/active/729x.jpg - this looks smart |
| 13:36.43 | Mirrormn | I'm likin me some mage t11 |
| 13:36.45 | mitch0 | that priest thing is space gear or scuba gear? |
| 13:37.12 | Nobgul | Scuba it looks like to me. And yes this is the 2nd tier that the mage gear is far better then the rest. |
| 13:37.48 | mitch0 | I like the druid one |
| 13:38.01 | mitch0 | not that I'll ever have it ;) |
| 13:38.08 | Nobgul | Looking at the shaman one now./ |
| 13:38.13 | Nobgul | Its ok |
| 13:38.46 | Nobgul | Why did they get rid of horns |
| 13:39.02 | krka | wtf, those tiers look retarded |
| 13:39.04 | mitch0 | they wanted to make them less horny |
| 13:39.05 | mitch0 | har har |
| 13:39.24 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:39.37 | Nobgul | The dk one is nice |
| 13:40.15 | Nobgul | I still can't get over the priest one. WTF were they thinking |
| 13:40.51 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.01 | Jamash | that you're an aquarium ornament? |
| 13:41.49 | Nobgul | I am trying to decide. With the lights on the shoulders it looks like they could be launched into space. |
| 13:42.20 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure those shoulders are supposed to look like undersea flora/fauna |
| 13:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | No, the lights are for attracting prey in the dark of the ocean depths. Think angler fish! |
| 13:42.27 | Jamash | ^ |
| 13:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom! |
| 13:43.02 | Nobgul | I know what they are!!!!!! You put down your lightwell it now attaches to your shoulders so its portable! |
| 13:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | lolwell... on my shoulders.... makes me happy..... lolwell.... under sea.... makes me bluuuuue! |
| 13:43.45 | Nobgul | lol |
| 13:43.47 | Jamash | I like how the supposedly "stealthy" class gets gear with WHITE GLOWING SHOULDERS |
| 13:44.18 | Nobgul | That is the cloaking device. |
| 13:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | "Okay, now pretend I'm not glowing madly, so that I can stab you in the kidneys. Please. No. Really. Do you want sunglasses to make this easier?" |
| 13:44.42 | Jamash | maybe they glow so brightly your opponent can't see |
| 13:44.46 | Nobgul | When switched on the internal engine shutsdown. While not in stealth mode it produces power. =P |
| 13:45.11 | Mirrormn | what is the white glowing shoulders automatically turned off when you went into stealth? |
| 13:45.14 | Mirrormn | *if |
| 13:45.23 | Jamash | that reminds me, there's a level 70 twink warrior in my guild with a pair of super bright glowing axes enchanted with mongoose |
| 13:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | Too much texture programming -- why have them at all? |
| 13:45.34 | Mirrormn | because it would be damn cool |
| 13:45.41 | Nobgul | Exactly that is the power source for the improved face shield. |
| 13:45.59 | Jamash | the first few times I grouped with him I asked him to turn down the gain before I went blind |
| 13:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | Improve vanish instead of having fancy armor! |
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| 13:46.16 | zenzio | for next 1st of April, Blizzard should replace all player models with plain, six-sided boxes (twelve polygons total), coloured after their class |
| 13:46.35 | Nobgul | Jamash: Reminds me of pvping on my warrior with my Icy weapon at like lvl 50. Couldn't figure out why i was the first to die. Until i turned the graphics detail up and realized my 2 hand aze was a beacon of death. |
| 13:46.52 | Nobgul | axe* |
| 13:47.37 | Nobgul | zenzio: Excellent idea. Although I did see a ton of people go crazy over the dance contest idea. |
| 13:47.42 | sylvanaar_work | how about just a stick figure |
| 13:47.53 | zenzio | too many details sylvanaar_work |
| 13:48.02 | sylvanaar_work | a line |
| 13:48.08 | Jamash | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kil%27jaeden&cn=Sarg%C3%AA (they're much brighter in-game) |
| 13:48.14 | zenzio | people are complaining about the player models being "low detail", my idea is a play on that |
| 13:48.37 | Jamash | a stellated icosahedron |
| 13:48.47 | Lopeppeppy | How about a frellin' circle? |
| 13:48.48 | zenzio | stellated? |
| 13:48.55 | sylvanaar_work | show off |
| 13:49.06 | Nobgul | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Kil'jaeden/Sarg%C3%AA/advanced |
| 13:49.09 | sylvanaar_work | how about a cube |
| 13:49.10 | Jamash | like the Bit from Tron |
| 13:49.18 | Nobgul | Much metter visual appriciation Jamash =P |
| 13:49.22 | Nobgul | better* |
| 13:49.43 | Jamash | still not bright enough |
| 13:49.55 | the-golem | zenzio: roughly put, star-shaped |
| 13:50.13 | Jamash | http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/155575.jpg |
| 13:50.16 | zenzio | the-golem: I see, thanks for the clarification |
| 13:50.32 | Nobgul | lol Jamash |
| 13:50.58 | Jamash | A stellated polyhedron is generated by extending the faces of a standard polyhedron until they meet in a star |
| 13:51.29 | the-golem | btw |
| 13:51.55 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/13/windows-phone-7-beats-iphone-4-and-android-in-a-grilling-con/ |
| 13:52.06 | sylvanaar_work | =P |
| 13:52.23 | Nobgul | Someone wanna get the spam posts off the site =P |
| 13:52.32 | Jamash | http://tektonten.blogspot.com/2009/01/tron-papercraft-bit.html |
| 13:53.07 | Nobgul | Hrmm |
| 13:55.37 | Nobgul | I don't get papercraft. Do you print out the flat inked papaers then fold them |
| 13:55.42 | Nobgul | ? |
| 13:55.49 | Jamash | cut and fold, yes |
| 13:55.54 | Nobgul | Ah ok . |
| 13:56.17 | zenzio | so it's different from origami? |
| 13:56.58 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 13:57.12 | Jamash | origami does not use cutting or gluing |
| 13:57.18 | Mirrormn | exactly |
| 13:57.27 | zenzio | ah, okay |
| 13:57.34 | Mirrormn | it generally doesn't use form-dependent printing, either |
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| 14:00.28 | Nobgul | Jamash: Does it print fold lines? Or some type of instructions |
| 14:00.57 | Jamash | I dunno, look at the link |
| 14:01.26 | Jamash | I just found that while searching for the Bit |
| 14:01.50 | Mirrormn | I think the term "papercraft" would probably cover both the positive and the negative of that question |
| 14:02.09 | Wobin | hahaha http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html |
| 14:02.15 | Wobin | I'll totally use that next time I'm coldcalled |
| 14:03.30 | Mirrormn | what's with those fill in the blank spots? |
| 14:04.03 | Wobin | It's a telescript |
| 14:04.16 | Wobin | when telemarketers call you, they have a predefined script they follow |
| 14:04.21 | Wobin | to get the answers they're after |
| 14:04.33 | Wobin | this is a counterscript to get information out of -them- |
| 14:04.38 | Mirrormn | yeah, I know that |
| 14:04.43 | Nobgul | Hehe |
| 14:04.46 | Mirrormn | but why are there spaces for me to fill in? |
| 14:04.53 | Wobin | Scroll all to the bottom |
| 14:04.59 | Mirrormn | do I care about obtaining the personal information of telemarketers? |
| 14:05.05 | Jamash | they want you to fill out the form and mail it to them |
| 14:05.11 | Nobgul | I did telemarketing for a few days. They made you stand up till you made a sale. Well i stood up all shift. |
| 14:05.33 | Jamash | it's also a form of psychological reversal |
| 14:05.36 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 14:05.50 | Mirrormn | so what, the guys who made the script want the personal information of telemarketers? for what? |
| 14:05.58 | Wobin | ... fun |
| 14:06.42 | Wobin | also, the blanks are there to fill in, for the same reason the telemarketers fill in the blanks on their sheets |
| 14:06.55 | Wobin | it keeps track of the conversation |
| 14:08.13 | Jamash | there is, of course, no actual obligation for you to send in the form, or even fill it out |
| 14:08.22 | Nobgul | Anyone play Fallout New Vegas? |
| 14:08.30 | Mirrormn | << |
| 14:08.39 | Jamash | I watched someone else play it |
| 14:08.44 | Nobgul | would you recomend it? |
| 14:08.48 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 14:08.48 | Jamash | Also I've read that it's buggy as hell |
| 14:08.53 | Mirrormn | eh... |
| 14:08.57 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/819/ |
| 14:09.00 | Mirrormn | it's not that buggy |
| 14:09.16 | Jamash | one of the more positive reviews suggested playing it on PC so you can access the developer console |
| 14:09.30 | Mirrormn | the only thing that really got me is its support for playing in non-fullscreen mode is just terrible |
| 14:09.33 | Jamash | so you can noclip when you get stuck inside a mountain |
| 14:09.43 | Mirrormn | I never got stuck in any terrain |
| 14:09.53 | Mirrormn | played for like 70+ hours =S |
| 14:10.13 | Mirrormn | I did have to use the developer console once, I think, but I forget what for |
| 14:10.36 | Mirrormn | I think one of my companions got lost |
| 14:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom |
| 14:11.08 | Nobgul | Thanks for the input. I reckon i will pick it up today |
| 14:11.43 | Mirrormn | it's a lot of fun |
| 14:11.54 | Jamash | I can't play open-ended RPGs |
| 14:11.58 | Jamash | I have an allergy |
| 14:12.08 | Lopeppeppy | Benadry helps with my allergies! |
| 14:12.12 | Mirrormn | why not? |
| 14:12.15 | zenzio | I finished New Vegas yesterday; enjoyed it a lot |
| 14:12.20 | Jamash | I don't think they have benadryl for rpg allergies |
| 14:12.57 | Mirrormn | I will admit that at a certain point |
| 14:13.13 | Jamash | I develop a weird combination of anxiety (due to having too many choices) and boredom |
| 14:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Try pseudephedrine then, the real stuff they keep behind the counters. Or hydrocortisone cream. |
| 14:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles Jamash. Cookies are the only cure for anxiousness. |
| 14:13.46 | Jamash | would I apply that to myself or to my laptop? |
| 14:13.54 | Jamash | the cortisone, not the cuddles |
| 14:13.59 | Mirrormn | my temptation to start looking up my current quests on The Vault so I could ensure I would get the best possible result from my decisions became too much to bear |
| 14:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies and cuddles are for you. The cortisone you could choose between yourself and it. |
| 14:14.09 | Nobgul | Lopeppeppy: Isn't pseudephedrine what they put in meth? |
| 14:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | Although I hope you have a robust warrantee on the laptop. |
| 14:14.15 | Jamash | Mirrormn: yeah that's the problem |
| 14:14.35 | zenzio | psuedo-ephedrine? |
| 14:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | Nobgul, yes. That's why it's sold from behind the counter now. You can still get it, by providing ID and signing a statement that you're not making meth with it. At all. Ever. |
| 14:14.56 | Mirrormn | honestly, FONV does a very good job of keeping that sort of thing from detracting from your enjoyment |
| 14:14.58 | zenzio | *pseudo |
| 14:15.00 | Jamash | I have a great deal of difficulty tolerating the fact that by choosing one patch in a branching-paths game I'm eliminating even more others |
| 14:15.03 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, the active ingredient in old-school Sudafed. I may have spelled it incorrectly. |
| 14:15.05 | Jamash | *path |
| 14:15.09 | Nobgul | Umm |
| 14:15.19 | Nobgul | I copied Lopeppeppy as I had no idea how to spell it lol |
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| 14:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | It's a word, we all sorta figure what it means. |
| 14:15.35 | zenzio | Jimmy Wales is creeping me out |
| 14:15.39 | Nobgul | Ill pass on the meth ingreds just 2 shots of jack and it will be fine lol |
| 14:15.43 | airtonix | lol "why won't you answer my questions?" > "no time" > "oh ok when can i call you back" > hang up |
| 14:15.51 | Jamash | zenzio: there's a tiny little close box in the upper right |
| 14:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudafed |
| 14:16.18 | zenzio | Jamash: cheers, I didn't notice that... the face spooked me out too much |
| 14:16.36 | Jamash | zenzio: yeah it took me a few days to notice it |
| 14:16.37 | Mirrormn | after using The Vault to see all the possible outcomes of a lot of different quests, it often seemed like the different outcomes of different decisions tended to be just different enough to give the game depth without being so different that you really feel like you're missing anything |
| 14:16.39 | Nobgul | Anyone know a cd mounting program for windows like daemon tools that doesn't require a restart? |
| 14:16.44 | Nobgul | ^to install |
| 14:17.34 | TC-Away | poweriso maybe |
| 14:18.02 | Thunder_Child | however it's often just eaiser to extract if you can |
| 14:18.06 | Mirrormn | it ends up feeling a lot more like a single storyline that you can *actually* play in a way that fits your personality rather than a branching storyline in which a lot of the content is cut off from you |
| 14:18.14 | zenzio | if you've got porn in .ISO form, VLC will open those |
| 14:18.18 | zenzio | no reboots needed |
| 14:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | VLC opens a ton of things! I love it. |
| 14:19.03 | Mirrormn | even when you make major game decisions that would usually cut you off from the quests of a certain faction, there are ways you can "cheat" your reputation so you are still able to interact with "enemy" npcs |
| 14:19.23 | nebula169 | Nobgul: MagicDisc works without a reboot, iirc |
| 14:19.46 | Lopeppeppy | The webmaster mailbox got... 8K messages this weekend. Methinks something broke. |
| 14:19.48 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHhUcabwkuw#t=0m36s |
| 14:20.05 | Mirrormn | I heard somewhere that Windows 7 can actually mount isos without any 3rd party program |
| 14:20.35 | nebula169 | can burn isos, not sure about mounting them |
| 14:20.38 | Nobgul | Umm yer its not porn lol. |
| 14:20.50 | zenzio | of course not *wink* |
| 14:20.54 | nebula169 | xp had a ms util for mounting, not sure if there is something similar for 7 |
| 14:21.08 | Mirrormn | yeah, looking around google |
| 14:21.15 | Mirrormn | that appears to be a false rumor |
| 14:21.30 | Nobgul | I just used winrar to extract it to the desktop ill install from there. |
| 14:21.38 | Mirrormn | well I use poweriso |
| 14:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | 7zip for the win! |
| 14:21.53 | Mirrormn | very simple and fast, no restarting required |
| 14:21.54 | nebula169 | ^ |
| 14:22.07 | Thunder_Child | eh i prefer winrar to 7z |
| 14:22.23 | Humbedooh | nebula169: you mean the old subst command? ;\ |
| 14:22.26 | Mirrormn | er, hmm |
| 14:22.35 | Mirrormn | it might require a restart upon installation, actually |
| 14:22.38 | Mirrormn | I don't remember that |
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| 14:23.01 | nebula169 | i use jZip to open stuffs |
| 14:23.20 | Kraps | no Fisker |
| 14:23.23 | Humbedooh | in the old days, you could run "subst z: c:\mystuff\something" |
| 14:23.30 | nebula169 | yea |
| 14:23.31 | Humbedooh | to make a crap virtual drive |
| 14:23.42 | nebula169 | ms ended up release a control panel widget as a front end to it |
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| 14:23.51 | nebula169 | releasing* |
| 14:24.32 | Nobgul | Well hopefully this will install from hd and not give me a bitch about not having the dvd in there |
| 14:24.34 | Thunder_Child | "Repeatedly inspecting other players should now function correctly." thats nice |
| 14:24.45 | Nobgul | Otherwise i have to put a dvd drive in the computer |
| 14:24.58 | Thunder_Child | "Male blood elves have received a crash course in dancing and now know to stop dancing when they run." um...lol |
| 14:25.02 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 14:25.11 | Nobgul | I like the drake flap the wings now |
| 14:25.25 | Thunder_Child | i never really found that to be an issue |
| 14:25.33 | Nobgul | It looks weird though. |
| 14:25.43 | Nobgul | How else does the drake gain lift. |
| 14:25.47 | nebula169 | wonder if the drakes in icecrown will still think they're humming birds |
| 14:25.53 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 14:25.56 | Thunder_Child | they are magic creatures |
| 14:26.13 | Jamash | yeah, gliding straight up is bizarre |
| 14:26.15 | Fisker | yes Kraps |
| 14:26.16 | Fisker | i was right |
| 14:26.24 | Nobgul | So basically its the lootship with a bear tank with rockets straped to its ass, but the drake equivlent. |
| 14:30.21 | Kraps | When in a Looking For Dungeon group, using an instance portal to that instance will now take players to the Looking For Dungeon entrance point instead of the normal destination of that portal. This will make it easier to return to the instance after dying in an LFD group. |
| 14:30.25 | Kraps | ? |
| 14:30.56 | Jamash | means you'll usually be teleported to the location of the group rather than the entrance |
| 14:32.03 | nebula169 | more so for holiday events which teleport you infront of the object |
| 14:32.12 | nebula169 | portal takes you there instead of the start of the instance |
| 14:32.41 | nebula169 | or the winged instances they mentioned |
| 14:32.57 | zenzio | pfft, who doesn't enjoy running from BRD entrance to Thaurissan alone! |
| 14:33.30 | Jamash | I don't enjoy anything about running around inside BRD |
| 14:33.46 | Nobgul | It would be better if they let you zone out of the instances without having to kill yourself |
| 14:33.48 | Jamash | it's only marginally more pleasant than driving in san francisco |
| 14:33.58 | nebula169 | i stopped queueing for old world instances after a group disbanded when people couldn't find the way back to the instance portal |
| 14:33.59 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: you mean actually inspecting someone will work? =P |
| 14:34.19 | Jamash | nebula169: which instance was it? |
| 14:34.37 | Nobgul | nebula169: That's normal thought. I still get people when doing Ulduar that ask me where it is. As well as naxx. |
| 14:34.41 | Jamash | if it was maraudon I completely understand |
| 14:34.53 | Wobin | Nobgul: You.. can? |
| 14:35.00 | Wobin | just select 'teleport out of instance' |
| 14:35.03 | Lopeppeppy | Mauradon, Gnomeregan, Sunken Temple... all designed to confuse! |
| 14:35.09 | Nobgul | It puts you back where you were |
| 14:35.16 | Wobin | I'll be glad for the simplification of ST |
| 14:35.19 | Lopeppeppy | That one in Badlands too... Uldaman? |
| 14:35.20 | nebula169 | Wobin: not if you're dead |
| 14:35.33 | Jamash | I *still* can't reliably find my way to either entrance of mara |
| 14:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | Theyr'e changing ST? How sad. I actually could find my way around that place. |
| 14:35.48 | nebula169 | its only the bottom floor or such now |
| 14:35.51 | Wobin | They're cutting out the section from the water to the instance entrance |
| 14:35.54 | nebula169 | four bosses |
| 14:36.01 | Jamash | actually they're removing the bottom floor |
| 14:36.04 | Nobgul | What i mean is umm. I want to quest neat the st area. But i am in dal. I don;t have flight patch so i queue up for st. Finsish the grp and hit the portal, bang back in dal. |
| 14:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. |
| 14:36.14 | Jamash | with the green lights and stuff |
| 14:36.15 | Wobin | I don't mind the instance itself, but the ghostrun back is always irritating |
| 14:36.26 | Wobin | Nobgul: well, then... walk =P |
| 14:36.29 | Jamash | Nobgul: working as designed |
| 14:36.34 | Nobgul | Oh i know. |
| 14:36.35 | Jamash | LFD is not a taxi service |
| 14:36.40 | Nobgul | Sure it is. |
| 14:36.42 | Wobin | actually, there's a change in the future |
| 14:36.48 | Nobgul | Die spirit rez and then leave grp |
| 14:36.52 | Wobin | you won't be able to -get- a particular dungeon without discovering it first |
| 14:37.00 | Nobgul | Instant 10 minute taxi. Deff quicker then walking. |
| 14:37.08 | nebula169 | should implement the whole "discover the instace to queue for it" for everything when cata hits |
| 14:37.16 | Wobin | nebula169: they are =P |
| 14:37.17 | Jamash | that word you used, I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 14:37.19 | Wobin | aren't they? |
| 14:37.23 | Nobgul | They should do forced progression. |
| 14:37.33 | nebula169 | oh snap, thought it was just 80+ instances |
| 14:37.40 | Wobin | eh, who knows =P |
| 14:38.25 | Jamash | I'm mad that they're getting rid of the portals in dal/shatt |
| 14:38.31 | Nobgul | Say what. |
| 14:38.52 | Nobgul | I was gonna harp on my forced progression theory untill you just made me cry Jamash |
| 14:38.56 | nebula169 | eh, why |
| 14:39.03 | Jamash | They're getting rid of the portals in dal/shatt |
| 14:39.03 | nebula169 | they're putting trainers there |
| 14:39.28 | Nobgul | trainer or a portal. i would take the portal imho |
| 14:39.34 | Jamash | ^ |
| 14:39.46 | Jamash | Let's say I'm in Silvermoon and I want to go to Silithus |
| 14:40.11 | Jamash | currently, I hearth to dalaran, port to TB or CoT and fly from there |
| 14:40.29 | Jamash | without portals, I say "let's not go to silithus" |
| 14:40.34 | Mirrormn | what is "forced progression"? |
| 14:40.40 | Nobgul | Umm. |
| 14:40.51 | Humbedooh | Curse you, Azeroth_19_44_tex0.adt!! >:\ |
| 14:40.52 | nebula169 | now you'll jes hearth to org and take the 8min flight there |
| 14:40.55 | Wobin | probably "You cannot go to Dungeon Y without completing Dungeon X" |
| 14:40.57 | Jamash | you must do instance A, B and C before doing instance D? |
| 14:40.57 | nebula169 | don't see the issue |
| 14:40.58 | Nobgul | Yer |
| 14:41.01 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 14:41.05 | Jamash | nebula169: yes you do |
| 14:41.07 | Mirrormn | so, attunement model, basically |
| 14:41.12 | Nobgul | Not for instances though Raids |
| 14:41.15 | Mirrormn | I like the attunement model |
| 14:41.19 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:41.23 | Jamash | Attunement is bad |
| 14:41.24 | Nobgul | Naxx-ulduar-toc-icc |
| 14:41.25 | Wobin | I'd hate to have to do MC again =P |
| 14:41.26 | Lopeppeppy | I absolutely hated the attunement requirements. |
| 14:41.38 | Wobin | Nope, not worth it |
| 14:41.43 | Mirrormn | attunement has its downsides but taken as a whole, I like the attunement model of raiding better |
| 14:41.43 | Jamash | If they made attunement account-wide instead of per-character it would be slightly less bad |
| 14:41.45 | nebula169 | i liked the tbc style of raiding |
| 14:41.48 | Jamash | but only slightly |
| 14:41.50 | Nobgul | I would make it a bit loose i mean a %75 compleation would be fine with me. |
| 14:42.05 | Wobin | It would have to be account wide |
| 14:42.10 | Wobin | otherwise alts would be so painful to level |
| 14:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | I like "you must discover it to run it", but having to go through other instances first? Exactly, alt hell. |
| 14:42.29 | Mirrormn | I actually liked the attunement model with regards to alts, too |
| 14:42.49 | Mirrormn | it made me feel like I was actually *playing* my alt instead of just being able to change my class if I wanted to |
| 14:42.49 | Wobin | "Want to raid at level 100? Sorry, you have to run 15 other raids that noone else ever wants to do" |
| 14:42.54 | Jamash | Your alts or other people's alts? |
| 14:42.59 | Ackis | teabags the channel, double dipping Kaelten |
| 14:43.07 | Mirrormn | both ways, really |
| 14:43.14 | nebula169 | wobin: except people will be constantly running them as their chars get to that gear level |
| 14:43.16 | Nobgul | Wobin: Not all raids.. I think end game content is the most important. |
| 14:43.30 | Mirrormn | I liked having to work for attunements on my alts and I liked not having other people's shitty alts have a chance to raid with me (god that sounds sooo elitist) |
| 14:43.34 | Wobin | nebula169: no, there'll be terrible failpugs |
| 14:43.53 | Nobgul | IMHO people do not know how to "raid" anymore. |
| 14:43.54 | nebula169 | well, you'll find those at every point of progression |
| 14:44.08 | Jamash | IMHO people don't know how to "play a video game" anymore |
| 14:44.13 | Wobin | Not really. The only time it's actually worthwhile running a raid, is when the content is level appropirate |
| 14:44.17 | Nobgul | Situational and raid awareness has went to the gutter. |
| 14:44.27 | Mirrormn | I don't think that's true, really |
| 14:44.31 | nebula169 | yea |
| 14:44.33 | Jamash | GAMES SHOULDN'T BE FUN |
| 14:44.36 | Nobgul | Wobin: If blizz didin't give out gear like candy then it wouldn't be a issue |
| 14:44.39 | Wobin | look at ulduar now. You can 3 man Flame Leviathan |
| 14:44.43 | nebula169 | compare vanilla raids to now, the encounters are much more complex |
| 14:44.45 | Jamash | IF YOU'RE HAVING FUN YOU AREN'T DOING IT RIGHT |
| 14:44.48 | Mirrormn | I think the vast majority of people who "suck" at wow actually *could* be good if they really tried |
| 14:45.01 | Wobin | Jamash: GAMES R SRS BSNSS! |
| 14:45.05 | Mirrormn | they just don't care about being better cause that's not how they have fun |
| 14:45.06 | Nobgul | Lol |
| 14:45.20 | Nobgul | Mirrormn: they dont have to care about being better cause no one makes them. |
| 14:45.22 | Jamash | Mirrormn: and you'd like to force them to be better instead of having fun? |
| 14:45.23 | Mirrormn | and I don't think that's a bad thing, at all |
| 14:45.28 | Mirrormn | no no no |
| 14:45.40 | Mirrormn | I just don't want to have to group with them when I'm trying to accomplish something |
| 14:45.45 | Nobgul | Guess my guild members aren't having fun then lol. |
| 14:45.46 | Mirrormn | because that's how *I* have fun |
| 14:45.53 | Jamash | which brings us back to the blizzard epeen system |
| 14:46.02 | Wobin | well, really, if they're not wanting to progress then they can just not raid |
| 14:46.10 | Wobin | if they don't find raiding fun, why do it? |
| 14:46.12 | Mirrormn | that doesn't work at all Wobin |
| 14:46.14 | Jamash | you'd be in a different phase than the proles and wouldn't have to worry about it |
| 14:46.18 | Mirrormn | they find being in a raid fun |
| 14:46.22 | Mirrormn | they like "to raid" |
| 14:46.31 | Mirrormn | they just don't like to have to put effort into it |
| 14:46.47 | Wobin | yes, that's my point |
| 14:46.57 | Wobin | if they have to put effort into raiding, it's not fun for them, then why raid? |
| 14:47.12 | Mirrormn | because they can raid without putting effort into it, and they find that fun |
| 14:47.19 | Nobgul | Wobin: If i had the answer to the question i would be a happy man. |
| 14:47.28 | Jamash | Translated into english: They enjoy raiding to a certain extent, but want to stop when they exceed their boredom threshold. |
| 14:47.33 | Wobin | Nobgul: it's nothing like explaining the female mind =P |
| 14:47.38 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:47.47 | Jamash | Only people who keep raiding even when they're not having fun anymore deserve epix |
| 14:47.54 | nebula169 | amen |
| 14:48.09 | Jamash | you should have to suffer for your purpalz |
| 14:48.20 | Nobgul | Yes suffer greatly! |
| 14:48.20 | Mirrormn | now the thing about the attunement system of raiding is that it basically means that people who are going to put 0 effort into raiding don't really get "new content" because they can't reach it |
| 14:48.31 | nebula169 | i've kept the guy we gave our first sm to from quiting for 7 months |
| 14:48.39 | nebula169 | that's how it works |
| 14:48.45 | nebula169 | lol |
| 14:48.59 | Nobgul | Mirrormn: That is the choice they have to make. |
| 14:49.03 | Jamash | which is bad game design |
| 14:49.18 | Mirrormn | I think it's good game design |
| 14:49.22 | Mirrormn | it's good for me anyway |
| 14:49.24 | Nobgul | >_< |
| 14:49.31 | Mirrormn | it's just not good for them ^_^ |
| 14:49.32 | Jamash | please take your elitism and go back to everquest |
| 14:49.38 | Jamash | SOE needs your money |
| 14:49.54 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:50.05 | Mirrormn | you're basically displaying the exact same prejudice you're *accusing* me of by saying that |
| 14:50.12 | Jamash | no I'm not |
| 14:50.18 | nebula169 | its hardly elistist |
| 14:50.19 | greppy | sometimes thinks of EQ with fond memories and thinks of going back... Then he sobers up. |
| 14:50.26 | Nobgul | I would just like to see it a little more difficult to get some gear. Atleast put some effort into doing it atleast. |
| 14:50.27 | nebula169 | people were perfectly fine with grinding kara all of tbc |
| 14:50.31 | Jamash | I want both of us to be able to play and be happy |
| 14:50.36 | Jamash | nebula169: that's a filthy lie |
| 14:50.39 | nebula169 | lol |
| 14:50.39 | Mirrormn | since I enjoy the game in a certain way that conflicts with how *you* want to play it, I should have no input on game development |
| 14:50.47 | Mirrormn | or should be disallowed to play the game in the first place |
| 14:50.51 | Jamash | I want both of us to be able to play and be happy |
| 14:50.53 | Wobin | filthy filthy lie =P |
| 14:50.55 | nebula169 | come in, like you didn't run it every week |
| 14:50.57 | nebula169 | on* |
| 14:51.07 | Wobin | 'perfectly fine' is the lie =P |
| 14:51.10 | Jamash | I was not "perfectly fine" with it |
| 14:51.12 | Nobgul | Lol. Like clockwork. and better nto be late or your spot was filled. |
| 14:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead... |
| 14:51.35 | nebula169 | just saying, a very very large portion of the wow userbase was fine with it, fine being thats as far as they got in raiding |
| 14:51.35 | Jamash | I was thrilled when they announced the dual 10/25 model |
| 14:51.35 | Wobin | The fact that you couldn't outgear it except with sunwell gear >< |
| 14:52.05 | Nobgul | Jamash: I accually like the 10/25 myself. It puts guilds on the same level. ish |
| 14:52.17 | nebula169 | i hate it |
| 14:52.19 | Jamash | nebula169: So, to you, being "fine with it" means not abandoning their guild out of frustration and joining a 25-man guild |
| 14:52.24 | nebula169 | but i'll admit to being elistist |
| 14:52.30 | Mirrormn | well, jamash, I think the best compromise would be to go back to an attunement model of raiding (like in BC) while also putting considerable development into new 5 man areas for each patch (like WOTLK - or probably even more so) |
| 14:52.38 | Wobin | I found it irritating that people can 25man and get better gear than 10man |
| 14:52.40 | nebula169 | whats this about abandoning? |
| 14:52.41 | Wobin | and pretty much be carried |
| 14:53.01 | Jamash | I think the best compromise is to do exactly what they're doing and have 10s and 25s with identical gear and no attunements. |
| 14:53.10 | Wobin | I think heroic instances should have extra content |
| 14:53.19 | Wobin | like, more levels |
| 14:53.21 | mitch0 | I want a pony |
| 14:53.23 | Wobin | or stuff |
| 14:53.27 | Jamash | mitch0: $25 |
| 14:53.29 | Mirrormn | that's not really a compromise, that's just having things how you want them ^_^ |
| 14:53.47 | Jamash | Mirrormn: It's a compromise because there are still hardmodes |
| 14:53.49 | Wobin | Mirrormn: the perfect compromise =) |
| 14:53.51 | nebula169 | after running logistics in a 25man guild on a shitty server, yea. i worked harder and get better loot, deal with it |
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| 14:54.04 | Jamash | nebula169: bad game design |
| 14:54.07 | Mirrormn | thankfully, I'm not *so* attached to the attunement model that it's a really huge issue for me |
| 14:54.10 | nebula169 | not at all |
| 14:54.14 | Wobin | nebula169: Can you honestly say that none of your raid members were carried? =P |
| 14:54.15 | Mirrormn | I just found it somewhat more fun |
| 14:54.19 | Nobgul | resistance is futile |
| 14:54.33 | Jamash | Mirrormn: so don't run a raid on your alts until you've run all the raids before it |
| 14:54.37 | nebula169 | Wobin: not until everything was on farm, more or less |
| 14:54.40 | Mirrormn | hahaha |
| 14:54.43 | Mirrormn | I don't, actually |
| 14:54.47 | Wobin | it's harder to get carried on 10man until you outgear it considerably |
| 14:54.51 | Jamash | so there's no problem |
| 14:55.09 | nebula169 | i dunno about that |
| 14:55.13 | Nobgul | Wobin: I disagree |
| 14:55.19 | Nobgul | Strongly |
| 14:55.23 | nebula169 | i got ks the day after i hit 80 with similarly geared people |
| 14:55.24 | Wobin | 25mans, you just need a few uber dps/tanks/healers and the rest can slide |
| 14:55.33 | Nobgul | cleared 11/12 heroic icc 10 and lk 2 hours after hitting 80. |
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| 14:55.35 | nebula169 | bane with people still in t9/random shit |
| 14:55.39 | mitch0 | what I'd like to get changed is the pug 5 man thing. you should only be eligible for the cross-realm-auto-teleport stuff if you've done (or at least entered) the dungeon on your server in the "normal" way |
| 14:55.40 | Nobgul | I got carried. |
| 14:55.50 | Mirrormn | the problem is that some of my enjoyment from the attunement system stems from the necessity of it |
| 14:56.06 | Jamash | mitch0: that's what they're doing for cata |
| 14:56.07 | Mirrormn | basically, I take some pleasure in "lording it over other people" |
| 14:56.09 | Wobin | mitch0: we covered that already =P |
| 14:56.14 | mitch0 | jamash: really? |
| 14:56.15 | Wobin | try to keep up =) |
| 14:56.16 | mitch0 | cool |
| 14:56.19 | Nobgul | lol |
| 14:56.31 | mitch0 | is entering enough or you'll have to complete it? |
| 14:56.37 | Jamash | you have to discover the dungeon before queueing for it |
| 14:56.39 | Wobin | I actually enjoyed the onyxia attunement chain |
| 14:56.43 | Nobgul | Like i said a 50-75% compleation rate for each instance until you can move on to the next level. |
| 14:56.50 | zenzio | "cross-realm-auto-teleport"... "sup dawg, you're on Turalyon now. Have fun!" |
| 14:56.51 | Nobgul | err raid |
| 14:56.53 | Jamash | I enjoyed the onyxia attunement chain *once* |
| 14:56.56 | nebula169 | was all about linking the blessed medallion of karabor |
| 14:57.03 | greppy | == Jamash |
| 14:57.25 | Mirrormn | and even more so, I *dislike* when other people are able to skip things that I had to put work into accomplishing |
| 14:57.33 | Wobin | in any case, attunements should be account wide |
| 14:57.39 | Jamash | Mirrormn: /violin |
| 14:57.41 | Wobin | or at least server wide |
| 14:58.07 | Mirrormn | there's that hypocritial prejudice against the things about the game that I enjoy again ^_^ |
| 14:58.07 | nebula169 | Wobin: some attunements are there are gear checks or such, whats the point of having them if they're not longer relevant? |
| 14:58.12 | nebula169 | that's why blizzard is going away from them |
| 14:58.22 | nebula169 | as gear checks* |
| 14:58.29 | Jamash | You're not talking about enjoying things about the game |
| 14:58.35 | Mirrormn | sure I am |
| 14:58.39 | Jamash | no, you're not |
| 14:58.42 | Wobin | because if you do the raid with gear that isn't going to be up to scratch |
| 14:58.45 | Mirrormn | I absolutely am |
| 14:58.46 | Wobin | you'll fail the raid |
| 14:58.50 | nebula169 | i'm with mirrormn on this one |
| 14:58.51 | Jamash | It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. --Gore Vidal |
| 14:58.55 | Wobin | so where's the problem? |
| 14:59.05 | nebula169 | i enjoyed doing attunements and felt accomplished when i finished them |
| 14:59.06 | mitch0 | pebkac |
| 14:59.15 | Jamash | You're enjoying seeing other people struggle and fail |
| 14:59.19 | Jamash | that's not the game |
| 14:59.22 | Wobin | That's fine, there's nothing -stopping- you from doing the attunements |
| 14:59.30 | mitch0 | nebula: that's all well. but feeling angry because some other don't have to do it is kinda irrational |
| 14:59.30 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure that's actually true |
| 14:59.31 | Wobin | just the requirement for it just stays accountbound |
| 14:59.33 | Jamash | that's schadenfreud |
| 14:59.39 | Mirrormn | I don't enjoy seeing other people fail |
| 14:59.41 | nebula169 | oh, i don't care about other people |
| 14:59.44 | Jamash | You just said youdo |
| 14:59.48 | nebula169 | i play the game to please myself |
| 14:59.49 | Wobin | Jamash: You mean that's -not- the game? |
| 14:59.52 | Mirrormn | I just don't enjoy seeing other people succeed without effort |
| 15:00.03 | Jamash | That's the same thing. |
| 15:00.04 | Wobin | Jamash: (PS, you just lost it. The game, that is) |
| 15:00.08 | Mirrormn | no, it's really not |
| 15:00.13 | Jamash | Yes, it really is. |
| 15:00.24 | Wobin | not not not, is too too too? |
| 15:00.31 | Wobin | duck season! |
| 15:00.32 | Mirrormn | the first assumes that I want everyone to be worse than I am |
| 15:00.35 | Mirrormn | that's not the case |
| 15:00.55 | Jamash | It's that exact same attitude that causes people to vote against education funding so that minorities are harmed even if it harms their own children |
| 15:00.56 | Kraps | "Not really that big of a deal considering the traveling, installing, patching, uninstalling windows, reinstalling windows, issues that will arrise, running out to buy beverages and snacks, and all the other pre expansion activities will eat up that 3 hours." |
| 15:01.00 | Kraps | haha |
| 15:01.03 | Mirrormn | I want everyone to be as good as I am, so that I am able to depend on them, converse with them, etc. |
| 15:01.47 | Jamash | because poor minority children are harmed *more* it's ok that my children are harmed *some* |
| 15:01.50 | Mirrormn | that's the kind of environment I have in my current guild, and I enjoy it so much more than previous guilds |
| 15:01.55 | Wobin | wait, when did this become about politics? |
| 15:02.03 | Jamash | It's always been about politics. |
| 15:02.04 | Mirrormn | but ideally, I would be able to find that kind of environment in pugs as well |
| 15:02.04 | Wobin | LOOK PONIES. AND PIE |
| 15:02.06 | nebula169 | atleast it isn't about nazis yet |
| 15:02.16 | mitch0 | hm. pie |
| 15:02.23 | Wobin | pie is awesome |
| 15:02.28 | Kraps | nebula169: godwin'd |
| 15:02.30 | Jamash | Do you want to play a game and have fun doing it, or do you want to be *better than everyone else*? |
| 15:02.39 | Jamash | that's politics |
| 15:02.43 | nebula169 | my pie is better because i made it from scratch. MYSELF |
| 15:02.46 | Wobin | Jamash: are the two mutually exclusive? |
| 15:02.50 | nebula169 | DAMN YOUR BAKER'S SQUARE PIE |
| 15:03.01 | Jamash | for an individual, no |
| 15:03.07 | Wobin | pie from scratch is always better than store bought |
| 15:03.07 | Jamash | for a game designer, yes |
| 15:03.23 | Wobin | Jamash: are any of us designing for Blizzard? |
| 15:03.34 | Mirrormn | I want to play a game and have fun doing it, and I want the people who get as far in the game as me to have to put in the same amount of work and have the same amount of skill |
| 15:03.47 | Jamash | We're certainly discussing the game as if we were. |
| 15:03.53 | Wobin | nope |
| 15:03.59 | Wobin | we're discussing the game as players of it |
| 15:04.02 | greppy | So... do you turn off the ICC buff? |
| 15:04.02 | Wobin | not as of designers |
| 15:04.19 | Mirrormn | no |
| 15:04.19 | Jamash | Mirrormn: That's a fancy way of saying you want people who put in less work and have less skill to not get as far as you |
| 15:04.32 | Jamash | It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. --Gore Vidal |
| 15:04.37 | Wobin | which you'll note, cause we say "I want, I want", not "If I were writing a game, I'd do it -this- way..." |
| 15:04.37 | Mirrormn | that's not a fancy way of saying that, that's basically *exactly* saying that |
| 15:04.59 | Jamash | logically speaking, yes |
| 15:05.01 | Mirrormn | but that doesn't mean that I take pleasure in other people being in that state |
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| 15:05.23 | Jamash | It's okay to keep the riffraff down as long as you don't enjoy it? |
| 15:05.45 | greppy | and now, time to go home :) |
| 15:06.05 | Mirrormn | well, it's okay to keep the "riffraff" down either way |
| 15:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | y'all want a pwny for christmas. but all of your pwnies are belong to us. |
| 15:06.28 | Jamash | Mirrormn: I accept your confession. |
| 15:06.35 | Mirrormn | but I don't enjoy the fact that there is "riffraff" in the first place |
| 15:06.35 | Jamash | The prosecution rests. |
| 15:06.37 | nebula169 | the proles get their cheap porn and everyone is happy |
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| 15:07.43 | unfo- | Jamash's statement sounds like wow should be an equal opportunity "no player left behind" sorta scenario |
| 15:07.48 | Jamash | You don't mind oppressing the weak, you just wish there weren't any weak people in the first place? |
| 15:07.51 | unfo- | did i completely misunderstand? |
| 15:08.33 | unfo- | also "not aiding" != "oppressing" |
| 15:08.34 | Mirrormn | I think your use of the word "opression" is disingenuous |
| 15:08.38 | Jamash | unfo-: I'm a socialist, Mirrormn is a fascist, yes. |
| 15:08.54 | unfo- | "no player left behind" is also "no one can get ahead" |
| 15:08.59 | Wobin | Come see the violence inherant in the system! |
| 15:09.03 | Mirrormn | in this case I would be much more of an individualist than a fascist |
| 15:09.11 | Jamash | You want to put up artificial barriers to progression to keep players you consider "bad" out of "your" content. |
| 15:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | You got your chocolate in my peanut butter. |
| 15:09.20 | Jamash | I call it like I see it. |
| 15:09.35 | Wobin | Jamash: ... and? =) |
| 15:09.38 | nebula169 | whats wrong with that? |
| 15:09.43 | Mirrormn | that's a pretty fair estimation, yes |
| 15:09.52 | Jamash | It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. --Gore Vidal |
| 15:10.03 | nebula169 | so you keep quoting |
| 15:10.08 | Jamash | Do you understand it? |
| 15:10.16 | nebula169 | its valid |
| 15:10.17 | Wobin | Jamash: again... And? |
| 15:10.21 | nebula169 | not arguing with it |
| 15:10.22 | Wobin | Jamash: so what? |
| 15:10.32 | harl | wuff |
| 15:10.42 | Wobin | He can consider whatever the hell he wants in how he wants the game to go |
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| 15:10.53 | Wobin | his opinion is just as valid as yours |
| 15:11.06 | Jamash | Nope |
| 15:11.18 | Wobin | So now -your- opinion is worth more? |
| 15:11.23 | Jamash | Yes. |
| 15:11.27 | Wobin | why? |
| 15:11.37 | Mirrormn | I would rephrase it "It is not enough to succeed. Others must be allowed to fail." |
| 15:11.38 | Jamash | Allow me to explain. |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin | What gives -you- the higher authority? |
| 15:11.40 | nebula169 | i just don't understand the logic behind "i want to do what you're doing even though i don't have the capabilities to do it" |
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| 15:11.54 | Wobin | No. |
| 15:11.58 | Wobin | No explanation required |
| 15:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | 'I don't want to be automatically excluded" |
| 15:12.05 | Mirrormn | in fact |
| 15:12.06 | Wobin | Mirrormn has an opinion. |
| 15:12.11 | Mirrormn | I really like that phrasing |
| 15:12.13 | Wobin | As do you |
| 15:12.15 | Jamash | Ah, accusation without allowing defense. |
| 15:12.19 | nebula169 | everyone is automatically excluded at the start |
| 15:12.19 | Wobin | Both are just as valid as the other |
| 15:12.24 | Jamash | Sentence first, verdict after? |
| 15:12.29 | Mirrormn | "It is not enough to succeed. Others must be allowed to fail." that sums up my opinion quite well |
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| 15:12.32 | Wobin | No sentence at all |
| 15:12.40 | Wobin | no declamation |
| 15:12.44 | Wobin | No right |
| 15:12.45 | Wobin | no wrong |
| 15:12.48 | Wobin | Just opinion |
| 15:12.53 | Mirrormn | that's silly, Wobin |
| 15:12.54 | nebula169 | lol |
| 15:12.58 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: i hope so. being able to inspect would be nice |
| 15:13.00 | Jamash | That's just your opinion, Wobin. |
| 15:13.07 | Mirrormn | my opinion should be evaluable in some sort of moral context |
| 15:13.10 | Wobin | Jamash: And it's just as valid as yours |
| 15:13.14 | Jamash | Wrong! |
| 15:13.15 | unfo- | Mirrormn, Everyone should be given the opportunity to fail or succeed equally, yes. But the difference between failure and success shouldn't be unnaturally minimized so the ill-equipped don't feel bad for failing :) |
| 15:13.19 | Wobin | No. |
| 15:13.20 | Wobin | Right =) |
| 15:13.36 | Jamash | And so you're saying your opinion is more valid than mine. |
| 15:13.42 | Wobin | Because nothing we say will ever have any effect on the actual outcome |
| 15:13.44 | Jamash | You have just violated your own tenets. |
| 15:13.44 | Mirrormn | I really don't like the whole "everyone's opinion, no matter what, is equally valid" |
| 15:13.49 | Mirrormn | argument |
| 15:14.02 | Wobin | Jamash: Not so. I'm saying all arguments are equal |
| 15:14.07 | Wobin | You're saying they're not |
| 15:14.10 | Wobin | So one of us is wrong |
| 15:14.14 | Wobin | and it's not me =) |
| 15:14.17 | Mirrormn | Jamash and I are definitely arguing about the validity of our arguments and I think that's exactly what we should be doing |
| 15:14.29 | Mirrormn | *validity of our opinions |
| 15:14.37 | Wobin | I'm saying both opinions are valid |
| 15:14.41 | Wobin | because that's just what they are |
| 15:14.42 | Wobin | opinions |
| 15:14.43 | Jamash | In fact, you're arguing that my argument that everyone is equal is invalid, because I'm arguing that my argument is valid, which means that everyone is not equal, because others disagree with my argument, which is hypocritical because you're arguing that my argument is invalid. |
| 15:14.54 | Wobin | Jamash: Yes. And No |
| 15:15.06 | Mirrormn | well, I'm saying that that's an extremely non-productive stance to have on opinions |
| 15:15.10 | Jamash | Wobin: Come back when you understand the difference between an argument and an opinion. |
| 15:15.29 | Wobin | I'm saying all opinions are valid, because we have no impact at all on the end result |
| 15:15.38 | Wobin | in reality, we are arguing a moot point. |
| 15:15.39 | Jamash | In that case you're wasting your time. |
| 15:15.43 | Jamash | kindly stfu |
| 15:15.44 | Mirrormn | eh... that's slightly better |
| 15:15.48 | Wobin | Jamash: hullo |
| 15:15.51 | Wobin | You play WoW |
| 15:15.56 | Wobin | We are -all- wasting time |
| 15:16.12 | Mirrormn | but I still think there is value in establishing what the "best" opinion is, even if it's not technically possible for us to use that "best" opinion to affect change |
| 15:16.14 | Wobin | so kindly stuf |
| 15:16.20 | Wobin | stfu, or go save a kitten |
| 15:16.24 | Jamash | All right, now that we've determined that Wobin has nothing to contribute, back to the topic |
| 15:16.29 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 15:16.32 | Wobin | time waster =P |
| 15:16.39 | Thunder_Child | this is wowuidev, we dont have a topic |
| 15:16.48 | Mirrormn | "It is not enough to succeed. Other's must be allowed to fail" that's where I'm at right now |
| 15:16.52 | Mirrormn | *Others |
| 15:16.55 | Wobin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Congratulations KarlKFI! |
| 15:16.59 | Jamash | Mirrormn and whatsisface argue that the game should be designed so they have fun and other people don't |
| 15:17.01 | Wobin | topic ^ |
| 15:17.05 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Wobin |
| 15:17.05 | purl | smacks Wobin up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 15:17.07 | Jamash | I argue that everyone should have fun |
| 15:17.34 | Mirrormn | Jamash, we're both arguing positions which maximize "fun" for one group of people and minimize "fun" for another group |
| 15:17.48 | Mirrormn | er, maximize and minmize are poor words |
| 15:17.52 | Thunder_Child | except regardless of what we want the game is always going to be designed to that some have fun and other dont because you can not please all the people all the time |
| 15:17.54 | Mirrormn | increase and decrease would be better |
| 15:17.56 | Jamash | I further argue that if the reason Mirrormn and whatsisface aren't having fun is that they are dismayed by the enjoyment of inferior beings, that it's their own damn problem and they should get over themselves. |
| 15:17.56 | Wobin | Indeed, your maximisation of fun for 'everyone' minimises the fun for mitch0 |
| 15:17.58 | Wobin | er Mirrormn |
| 15:18.13 | Thunder_Child | s/d to t/d so t/ |
| 15:18.14 | Jamash | because that's *not part of the game* |
| 15:18.25 | Mirrormn | I'm not dismayed by the *enjoyment* of "inferior beings" |
| 15:18.29 | Jamash | that's your elitist social darwinist bullshit |
| 15:18.30 | mitch0 | wobin: not so |
| 15:18.37 | Mirrormn | I'm dismayed by their accomplishment being equal to my own |
| 15:18.38 | Wobin | mitch0: yeah, mistabcomplete |
| 15:18.51 | mitch0 | mirror: your accomplishment is not |
| 15:18.55 | Jamash | Mirrormn: distinction without a difference |
| 15:19.05 | Jamash | also, false |
| 15:19.10 | Mirrormn | there's definitely differences |
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| 15:19.17 | Jamash | are "teh casuals" at 12/12 HM ICC? |
| 15:19.30 | Mirrormn | no |
| 15:19.30 | Jamash | no? |
| 15:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | If you are analyzing your own anything by comparing it to someone else's something... you're doing it wrong. *gentle shrug* |
| 15:19.38 | Jamash | ^ |
| 15:19.46 | mitch0 | I'm at item level 200 |
| 15:19.52 | Jamash | other people's success has absolutely no impact on your own |
| 15:19.56 | Mirrormn | I think that statement is false, Lopepeppy |
| 15:20.06 | Jamash | no, it's absolutely right |
| 15:20.08 | Mirrormn | and I also think that statement is false, Jamash |
| 15:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | "Wah wah wah, his cake is more chocolate looking than mine!" |
| 15:20.38 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: the devil1 |
| 15:20.38 | Kalroth | Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, chocolate |
| 15:20.48 | Jamash | So you're telling me that you don't want other people to fail |
| 15:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | If you can't be with the cake you love, just try looking at the cake you have and not looking at the cake on someone else's plate. |
| 15:20.58 | Kalroth | Jamash: Other people ARE fail. |
| 15:20.59 | Jamash | but then you're telling me that you don't want other people to succeed |
| 15:21.08 | Mirrormn | if I pay $2 for a piece of chocolate cake, I don't want someone else to be able to get a piece of choclate cake for $1 |
| 15:21.15 | Mirrormn | that decreases my contentment |
| 15:21.23 | mitch0 | you are a sad person then |
| 15:21.25 | Jamash | again, you have incriminated yourself |
| 15:21.35 | Jamash | that's something you should work on |
| 15:21.37 | Kalroth | Mirrormn is a dirty capitalist |
| 15:21.38 | Kalroth | burn him |
| 15:21.40 | Wobin | such accusatory language =P |
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| 15:21.57 | Lopeppeppy | Why? What the hell does it matter if another store is selling cheaper cake? Eat yours. |
| 15:22.03 | Kalroth | Real commies share ALL their belongings! |
| 15:22.13 | Mirrormn | I'm not entirely sure why |
| 15:22.17 | Wobin | It is the -people's- epix |
| 15:22.20 | Mirrormn | that's actually a pretty interesting question |
| 15:22.38 | Kalroth | dons his Che tshirt. In an epic purple color! |
| 15:22.39 | Jamash | Mirrormn: Are you saying stores in third world countries should sell cake for the same price as cake at your local bakery? |
| 15:22.46 | sylvanaar_work | oh sole mio! |
| 15:22.47 | Fisker | real commies kill Kalroth |
| 15:22.49 | Wobin | So really, it's more about the percieved value of an achievement |
| 15:22.51 | Jamash | otherwise you will be a sad panda? |
| 15:22.55 | Mirrormn | uh, no, Jamash |
| 15:22.59 | Jamash | Why not? |
| 15:23.01 | Lopeppeppy | "perceived value" = ding ding ding. |
| 15:23.10 | Wobin | Mirrormn percieves that epix are worth a certain amount of effort |
| 15:23.16 | Jamash | You just said if someone else can get cake for less money, it will diminish your satisfaction |
| 15:23.22 | Wobin | when people gain epix without paying that effort, he feels cheated |
| 15:23.23 | Mirrormn | it's not even that, Wobin |
| 15:23.35 | Mirrormn | I don't think that there is an *intrinsic* value to epics |
| 15:23.38 | Jamash | In the real world, other people can get cake for less than you |
| 15:23.46 | Jamash | you should really do something about that |
| 15:23.50 | Mirrormn | I just want whatever value they end up being assigned to remain constant |
| 15:23.52 | Wobin | It also reduces the percieved value of the epix |
| 15:24.02 | Jamash | Value assigned by who? |
| 15:24.05 | Wobin | because any casual can get it |
| 15:24.11 | sylvanaar_work | like me |
| 15:24.14 | Jamash | Didn't you get i first? |
| 15:24.17 | Jamash | *it |
| 15:24.18 | Wobin | like sylvanaar_work |
| 15:24.23 | Jamash | Is getting it first not good enough? |
| 15:24.23 | Thunder_Child | thats impossible Mirrormn, since it's opnion |
| 15:24.24 | Wobin | that casual bastard |
| 15:24.24 | Lopeppeppy | The value *is* constant. It's the perception of value which changes from individual to individual. |
| 15:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | Perception is the very devil of the details of happiness. |
| 15:24.46 | Jamash | Because if getting it first isn't good enough you really need to stop playing wow now. |
| 15:24.59 | sylvanaar_work | you should read this poundstone book..the myth of fair value |
| 15:25.00 | Mirrormn | getting it first is definitely pretty good |
| 15:25.03 | Jamash | All you're doing is causing yourself suffering. |
| 15:25.25 | Lopeppeppy | "Don't torture yourself darling. That's my job." |
| 15:25.25 | Wobin | perhaps there is a certain level of masochism involved |
| 15:25.46 | Mirrormn | I never said that all of wow was a terrible system in which I can feel no enjoyment |
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| 15:26.03 | Mirrormn | I just enjoy the attunement system a little more |
| 15:26.05 | Jamash | Mirrormn: dunno if you're aware of this, but casuals can get legendaries just by showing up to bc raids |
| 15:26.20 | Mirrormn | that doesn't bother me |
| 15:26.43 | sylvanaar_work | i have never had a lengendary item |
| 15:26.44 | Thunder_Child | but to some people that has value |
| 15:26.46 | Jamash | well, now you've contradicted yourself |
| 15:26.46 | sylvanaar_work | =( |
| 15:26.50 | Thunder_Child | even and xpac ago |
| 15:27.04 | Thunder_Child | an* |
| 15:27.29 | sylvanaar_work | are you in one of the ToG guilds Wobin |
| 15:27.29 | Mirrormn | how so, Jamash? |
| 15:27.39 | Wobin | sylvanaar_work: Kind of =) |
| 15:27.48 | Wobin | I'm an officer in ToGrey, but I don't play much on the server |
| 15:27.53 | sylvanaar_work | ah |
| 15:27.56 | Jamash | "I'm dismayed by their accomplishment being equal to my own" ~= "that doesn't bother me" |
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| 15:28.19 | Mirrormn | lol I never said "I'm dismayed by their accomplishment being equal to my own" |
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| 15:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | equal and equivalent, what a discussion those two can generate. |
| 15:28.45 | Jamash | (10:18:36 AM) Mirrormn: I'm dismayed by their accomplishment being equal to my own |
| 15:28.46 | sylvanaar_work | Wobin: im looking for a guild still...and thought about trying one of the ToG guilds..but they dont look that active |
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| 15:29.00 | Wobin | aren't you EU? |
| 15:29.09 | sylvanaar_work | no |
| 15:29.17 | Wobin | oh hm |
| 15:29.20 | Mirrormn | oh, hrm |
| 15:29.25 | Wobin | Well, in general, I'd probably wait til Cata |
| 15:29.27 | Jamash | Trying to disclaim your own words doesn't work very well in IRC. |
| 15:29.37 | Wobin | I think a lot of guilds are in standby state til then, really |
| 15:29.44 | sylvanaar_work | yah |
| 15:29.45 | Mirrormn | I think the interpretation of the word "accomplishment" is different in those two cases |
| 15:30.07 | Wobin | but feel free to join the forum for ToG and read up on their raid forums to see what's what |
| 15:30.09 | Jamash | how so |
| 15:30.15 | sylvanaar_work | Wobin: i did |
| 15:30.36 | sylvanaar_work | thats why i was thinking they were kinda inactive |
| 15:31.00 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:31.06 | Wobin | probably =) |
| 15:31.08 | Mirrormn | actually, you know what |
| 15:31.10 | Ackis | what's ToG? |
| 15:31.15 | Wobin | TheOlderGamers |
| 15:31.17 | Mirrormn | the statement makes sense in context |
| 15:31.19 | Wobin | (.com) |
| 15:31.23 | sylvanaar_work | you are almost there Ackis |
| 15:31.27 | Jamash | on the one hand you're saying "scrubs shouldn't get epix" and on the other hand you're saying "scrubs can have legendaries" |
| 15:31.27 | sylvanaar_work | 1 more year |
| 15:31.29 | Wobin | you have to be 25+ to join |
| 15:31.35 | Mirrormn | the context just has nothing to do with the situation to which you are trying to apply it |
| 15:31.36 | sylvanaar_work | oh hes there already |
| 15:31.39 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:31.43 | Ackis | gets out his walker. |
| 15:31.45 | Jamash | the contexts are identical |
| 15:31.52 | batrick | http://i.imgur.com/fPfzn.jpg |
| 15:32.08 | sylvanaar_work | Ackis is still in the terrible 2's though |
| 15:32.11 | sylvanaar_work | iirc |
| 15:32.15 | Jamash | batrick: nice |
| 15:32.27 | unfo- | well i wouldn't say current end-game epix are equivalent in context to easily farmed prev. expansion legendaries... |
| 15:32.33 | Jamash | why not |
| 15:32.33 | Ackis | yeah sylvanaar_work for another month and a half =/ |
| 15:32.40 | Wobin | Jamash: not quite, the equivalent is "Teenagers can get tricked out BMXs and teenagers can get a harley davidson" |
| 15:32.43 | Mirrormn | when I said "I'm dismayed by their accomplishment being equal to my own", the context was that I do not enjoy it when someone who does not do the work I had to do to accomplish some reward is able to obtain that same reward |
| 15:33.01 | sylvanaar_work | haha, you are a saggitarius? |
| 15:33.04 | Mirrormn | the "accomplishment" in that sentence is used synonymously with "reward", basically |
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| 15:33.13 | Jamash | and when you said that's okay, the context was whether you mind when someone who does not do the work you had to do to accomplish some reward |
| 15:33.20 | Jamash | _the same context_ |
| 15:33.30 | unfo- | Jamash, the other requires effort and skill and the other doesn't? |
| 15:33.38 | Ackis | sylvanaar_work: capricorn |
| 15:33.43 | Jamash | that should make the case of the legendary *worse* |
| 15:33.47 | Mirrormn | in the case of people getting legendaries from BC raids, the people just go and do the work |
| 15:33.55 | Mirrormn | and then they get the reward |
| 15:33.59 | Mirrormn | I have no problem with that |
| 15:34.02 | Jamash | what's the difference? |
| 15:34.17 | Jamash | (there isn't one) |
| 15:34.21 | sylvanaar_work | Ackis: ah |
| 15:34.30 | Mirrormn | the difference is that, in that case, they earned there reward, just like I would have |
| 15:34.35 | Mirrormn | *their |
| 15:34.58 | Computerpunk | Ackis, capricorn? <3 |
| 15:35.02 | Computerpunk | that's why you so sexy. |
| 15:35.03 | sylvanaar_work | how many gemini's are there in the channel? |
| 15:35.09 | Mirrormn | I don't begrudge anyone else the rewards for anything they work for |
| 15:35.11 | Jamash | So you're saying if a causual can kill the lich king *today* that's an offense to the dignity of man, but if a casual can kill the lich king *next week* that it's hunky dory? |
| 15:35.28 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, I got my ascendent in gemini. |
| 15:35.39 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:35.42 | sylvanaar_work | i know me and myself are geminis |
| 15:35.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a Scorpio and I'll sting anyone who argues with me. :) |
| 15:35.59 | Jamash | I'm a Cancer and you should really get that looked at. |
| 15:36.03 | Computerpunk | Lopeppeppy, :3 try stinging my mane. |
| 15:36.30 | sylvanaar_work | im most compatible with fish and archers |
| 15:36.31 | Mirrormn | the actual ability to kill the lich king is not exactly what I'm discussing |
| 15:36.36 | Jamash | well then what is? |
| 15:36.51 | Jamash | What precise brand of failure do you demand of your inferiors? |
| 15:36.58 | unfo- | lol |
| 15:37.09 | Mirrormn | I do not demand failure from my "inferiors" |
| 15:37.13 | Computerpunk | sylvanaar, wrong. You're most compatible with Aquarius and Libra. |
| 15:37.21 | Jamash | Mirrormn: That's not what I hear. |
| 15:37.32 | Computerpunk | Trust me, I kno this stuff. ;o |
| 15:37.53 | unfo- | imho rewards and their 'apparent value' is tied to the challenge that was met when acquiring them. The challenge to get a tbc legendary is lesser than getting a HC LK kill => apparent value of LK rewards is greater. |
| 15:37.54 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: no, im telling you which one i am really compatible with. aquarius = drama, libra = drama (for me) |
| 15:38.10 | Jamash | But the reward is the same. |
| 15:38.13 | Computerpunk | Weird. |
| 15:38.15 | Computerpunk | What's your ascendent? |
| 15:38.27 | Mirrormn | what I would have a problem with is if I were to kill the lich king, get the Invincible mount, and then next week, a casual just gets an Invincible mount in the mail without even seeing the lich king |
| 15:38.37 | krka | why? |
| 15:38.40 | Mirrormn | in that case, my trophy of accomplishment is significantly devalued |
| 15:38.41 | Jamash | Well, that's not what happens, so why is that even relevant? |
| 15:38.57 | Mirrormn | I don't know why that's relevant actually |
| 15:39.09 | Mirrormn | it seems like you've taken this whole argument down a really theoretical tangent |
| 15:39.12 | Jamash | I think there's a man made of straw over there who wants to talk to you. |
| 15:39.35 | sylvanaar_work | Computerpunk: i dont know |
| 15:39.47 | Jamash | You've stated that you want casuals to keep off your lawn. |
| 15:39.47 | sylvanaar_work | looks for a site to find out |
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| 15:40.35 | Mirrormn | the relevant examples should really relate back to the ability or inability to enter instances to which one is not "attuned" |
| 15:40.39 | Jamash | I have stated that it shouldn't diminish your enjoyment of the game if casuals can get on "your" lawn, because "your" lawn is actually Blizzard's lawn, and the lawn is instanced anyway so "your" lawn doesn't get footprints on it. |
| 15:40.48 | krka | do you play the game to show trophies to others and feel superior, or to experience the content and feel rewarded when you succeed at challenges? |
| 15:40.53 | Jamash | ^ |
| 15:40.59 | Mirrormn | krka: both |
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| 15:41.18 | Mirrormn | the latter much more than the former, but I won't deny that the former is enjoyable in some way |
| 15:41.35 | Jamash | OK, I'll pose a question: Why should Blizzard cater to the former impulse? |
| 15:41.54 | krka | i wish there was a game mode in wow where could play a somewhat simpler raid mode, without any rewards |
| 15:41.59 | Jamash | me too |
| 15:41.59 | krka | just so i could experience some of the content |
| 15:42.06 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure I think they should, especially if they really want to maximize profits |
| 15:42.21 | Mirrormn | there's a lot more business in the casual sector, I think |
| 15:42.52 | krka | in order to really experience all content in wow, you need to spend a lot of time ingame just grinding for skill, social network and gear |
| 15:42.56 | Jamash | Now let me ask you another question: How can you feel superior because of your trophies if everyone has the same trophies? |
| 15:43.40 | Mirrormn | isn't that something your side of the argument should be answering? |
| 15:43.44 | Jamash | No. |
| 15:43.59 | krka | i thought this was abuse |
| 15:44.10 | Jamash | ~krk++ |
| 15:44.15 | Mirrormn | it seems like I've been arguing that the feeling of superiority because of your trophies was diminished if everyone has the same trophies |
| 15:44.16 | Jamash | damn it |
| 15:44.19 | Jamash | ~krka++ |
| 15:44.25 | Jamash | exactly |
| 15:44.28 | Jamash | Now |
| 15:44.35 | Jamash | Vidal, paging G. Vidal. |
| 15:44.45 | Jamash | Please pick up the black discourtesy phone. |
| 15:45.21 | krka | i think blizzard are smart in making the majority of players see the elite players running around with cool gear |
| 15:45.22 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure I understand your logic at the moment |
| 15:45.24 | Jamash | For you to feel you have succeeded, you have to be able to compare yourself to others who have failed. |
| 15:45.35 | krka | it makes the majority feel like they haven't "finished" the game yet |
| 15:45.45 | krka | thus would make them spend more time with the game |
| 15:46.19 | Mirrormn | yes, I think I agree with that |
| 15:46.27 | Jamash | okay then |
| 15:46.34 | Mirrormn | "It is not enough to succeed. Others must be allowed to fail." |
| 15:46.37 | Jamash | so we agree that you're a terrible person :) |
| 15:46.47 | Jamash | nah ah ah |
| 15:47.04 | Jamash | if everyone is allowed to fail but still succeeds, you're not superior |
| 15:47.18 | Jamash | people have to not only be able to fail potentially, they have to *actually fail* |
| 15:47.27 | Mirrormn | if 100% of people actually did succeed |
| 15:47.31 | Jamash | yes? |
| 15:47.32 | Mirrormn | no, I would not be superior |
| 15:47.45 | Mirrormn | but I don't think I would feel discontentment towards that fact |
| 15:47.54 | krka | "Second life is not a game, it doesn't have winners or losers" - "Oh it has losers" |
| 15:48.03 | Jamash | Mirrormn: bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit |
| 15:48.15 | Jamash | you've said over and over that you would |
| 15:48.23 | Jamash | now you say you wouldn't |
| 15:48.49 | Mirrormn | I've said over and over that I want a system in which it is possible for others to fail |
| 15:49.00 | Jamash | were you wrong then or are you wrong now? |
| 15:49.01 | Mirrormn | i.e., one in which success requires effort |
| 15:49.12 | Mirrormn | *which |
| 15:49.18 | Mirrormn | no wait, that was right |
| 15:49.24 | Mirrormn | I'm getting tired -.- |
| 15:49.44 | Jamash | but then you say that if everyone else is succeeding, the barrier isn't high enough |
| 15:50.02 | Jamash | the barrier *must be raised* until a sufficiently large fraction fails to make you feel good |
| 15:51.05 | Mirrormn | I don't think I want there to be one binary barrier |
| 15:51.09 | Mirrormn | like you put it |
| 15:51.17 | Jamash | not a single barrier |
| 15:51.21 | Jamash | but a set of barriers |
| 15:51.28 | Jamash | enough to distinguish "you" from "them" |
| 15:51.53 | Mirrormn | a continuous spectrum in which effort and reward are correlated |
| 15:52.09 | Mirrormn | would probably be most ideal |
| 15:52.11 | Jamash | the evil casuals, who creep in the night and steal relevance from your gold trophies |
| 15:53.19 | Mirrormn | again, it is not their ability to achieve the same things I have achieved that I object to, as long as it is actually necessary for them to show that ability |
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| 15:54.52 | Jamash | And does that spectrum include barring people from ICC25 if they haven't run Onyxia40 and MC and BWL and AQ40 and Naxx40 and Karazhan and Gruul and Magtheridon and TK and SSC and ZA and BT and SWP and Naxx25 and Uld25 and ToC25 and ToGC25? |
| 15:55.23 | nevcairiel | nonsense, previous expansion things are ok to exclude :p |
| 15:55.46 | Mirrormn | well, going back that far is a little exaggerated because earning the previous expansion kills would be little more than drudgery |
| 15:55.52 | Jamash | O HO HO HO |
| 15:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | Sucks to be me, having skipped AQ and Naxx etc. |
| 15:56.08 | mitch0 | nev: should omnicc work on SUF's buff/debuff indicators? or is there a setting in suf to enable it? |
| 15:56.12 | Jamash | so you don't mind people skipping content? |
| 15:56.16 | Mirrormn | starting with the current expansion 5 mans would probably be sufficient |
| 15:56.43 | Jamash | We've already established what you are, ma'am. Now we're just haggling over the price. |
| 15:56.59 | nevcairiel | mitch0: should work, just make sure the minimum size in OmniCC isnt set too big |
| 15:57.15 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I thought it sucked to be you because you're named after a dog I had? :D |
| 15:57.26 | mitch0 | nev: ah, that could be it |
| 15:57.26 | Mirrormn | I thought we've been haggling over the price the entire time |
| 15:57.48 | Wobin | Ackis: you named a dog lopepeppy? |
| 15:58.05 | Lopeppeppy | We named the DOG Indiana! |
| 15:58.10 | Ackis | Wobin: I had a dog named Peppy |
| 15:58.28 | Jamash | no, we've been arguing over whether or not schadenfreude was a motivating factor at all |
| 15:58.35 | Mirrormn | I don't think that joke reveals much in a serious discussion anyway - I'm betting even you wouldn't enjoy wow if it were possible to kill any boss or obtain any item simply by typing a console command |
| 15:58.39 | Jamash | now that we've established that it is, I'm content |
| 15:58.42 | Wobin | schadenfreude is always a motivating factor |
| 15:59.13 | nevcairiel | you english people have no word for schadenfreude, so you steal ours? shh! |
| 15:59.45 | Jamash | I didn't know you were German |
| 15:59.50 | nevcairiel | I bet it sounds funny when you say it, though |
| 15:59.57 | krka | skadeglädje is the shit! |
| 15:59.59 | Mirrormn | I'm rather confused as to what proof of involvement of schadenfreude you found in my most recent statements |
| 16:00.29 | Jamash | nevcairiel: like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/En-us-schadenfreude.ogg (or so) |
| 16:00.43 | Wobin | http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/20-awesomely-untranslatable-words-from-around-the-world/ |
| 16:00.43 | Jamash | Mirrormn: Don't worry about it. |
| 16:01.00 | Mirrormn | all right |
| 16:01.06 | nevcairiel | thats actually quite close |
| 16:01.10 | Mirrormn | I'm definitely tired enough to be willing to end this argument |
| 16:01.40 | Jamash | All I really wanted to establish is that "I don't like other people having nice things." is not a good game design criterion. |
| 16:01.44 | Mirrormn | I've got to say, Jamash, I really enjoy arguing, and you are a considerable opponent |
| 16:02.18 | sylvanaar_work | shadenfruede! |
| 16:02.24 | sylvanaar_work | great song |
| 16:02.26 | nevcairiel | whatever started your argument here, just to voice another opinion: People can have nice things, they should just have to work for it |
| 16:02.37 | Mirrormn | lol nev |
| 16:02.43 | Jamash | Thank you. Some people take umbrage at my style and tactics; I'm glad you enjoyed it. |
| 16:02.46 | Mirrormn | you're basically exactly on my side here |
| 16:03.00 | Mirrormn | don't start the whole thing over ^_^ |
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| 16:03.03 | Wobin | the problem really |
| 16:03.07 | Jamash | is that |
| 16:03.09 | sylvanaar_work | nevcairiel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwMQ3b1A5_0 |
| 16:03.10 | Wobin | is that xpacs don't come out frequently enough |
| 16:03.21 | krka | basically, as a player, you can either observe none, few or many other players having nice things. it is probably that ratio that is interesting |
| 16:03.27 | Wobin | if they came out more often, Mirrormn would have less issue with people earning previous xpac gear |
| 16:03.29 | krka | if it's 0% others with nice things, that means you are elite |
| 16:03.36 | krka | if it's 99%, then you are no so elite |
| 16:03.48 | Wobin | because there is 'better' gear to obtain with effort |
| 16:03.51 | krka | the "work for it" is just a way to reduce that ratio |
| 16:03.55 | mitch0 | wobin: for me xpacs come out too often ;) I haven't seen half of the content available :) |
| 16:03.56 | Jamash | my guild nearly has LK10normal down! |
| 16:03.57 | Wobin | the sliding scale of value increases |
| 16:04.13 | Wobin | Well, a good example is BC |
| 16:04.20 | Mirrormn | I dunno, if expacs came out often enough, then it would be basically the same as the content patch model we have right now |
| 16:04.26 | Mirrormn | where everything resets every tier |
| 16:04.26 | Wobin | WotLK was way too long after BC released |
| 16:04.35 | Jamash | so from my perspective xpacs come out too oftn |
| 16:04.48 | Jamash | the WotLK raid release schedule was bad |
| 16:04.51 | nevcairiel | Wobin: the problem really didnt exist in BC though |
| 16:05.01 | nevcairiel | sure, people got badge gear |
| 16:05.02 | Wobin | nevcairiel: You never ran Kara til your eyes bled? |
| 16:05.12 | nevcairiel | but people didnt roll through BT, everyone having T6 |
| 16:05.22 | Mirrormn | I ran kara until I didn't need kara anymore |
| 16:05.23 | Jamash | There was too much time on Naxx, too little time on Ulduar (which was huge), too much time on ToC (which was tiny) |
| 16:05.28 | Mirrormn | under the attunement model |
| 16:05.41 | nevcairiel | you didnt need kara anymore after 2 runs or so |
| 16:05.45 | nevcairiel | maybe a third for gear |
| 16:05.54 | Wobin | nevcairiel: yes, but there was no other obtainable content |
| 16:05.57 | Mirrormn | and then, when the badges first came out (the start of the transition away from the attunement model), it became "necessary" for me to go back to kara for badges |
| 16:06.04 | Mirrormn | and that's when my eyes actually bled :( |
| 16:06.11 | nevcairiel | Wobin: sure there was, 2 full 25man raid instances |
| 16:06.22 | Jamash | The problem with BC is that if you were in a 10 man guild then progression went normal dungeons, heroic dungeons, karazhan, NOTHING WHATSOEVER |
| 16:06.23 | Wobin | nevcairiel: that's if you can field 25mans |
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| 16:06.30 | Wobin | What Jamash said |
| 16:06.42 | nevcairiel | why would you be in a 10man guild in BC |
| 16:06.46 | nevcairiel | classic had 40 man raids |
| 16:06.49 | Jamash | because fuck you |
| 16:06.51 | Fisker | i once killed a guy? |
| 16:06.53 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 16:07.00 | Mirrormn | Fisker, tell me truthfully |
| 16:07.06 | Mirrormn | did you ever actually kill a guy? |
| 16:07.20 | Mirrormn | and if so, do you need to talk about it? |
| 16:07.22 | Wobin | nevcairiel: because it's hard enough finding an aussie guild that raids at your time, let alone enough people with decent enough latency to play 25mans |
| 16:07.42 | nevcairiel | in any case, raids were way too easy in wotlk, especially 10mans, i'm glad this changes in cata |
| 16:07.43 | Jamash | nevcairiel: yes, and in classic progression went strat+scholo+DM, UBRS, EVEN MORE NOTHING |
| 16:07.45 | Wobin | when your whole raid runs at 1k latency, it's never any fun |
| 16:08.25 | Fisker | It's very important to me Mirrormn |
| 16:08.28 | Mirrormn | oh my god, I remember when my old old guild first tried to transition from UBRS to Molten Core |
| 16:08.43 | Mirrormn | we had to form an alliance with another guild |
| 16:08.46 | nevcairiel | I really don't care much for the problems of the oceanic people, no offense, but i'm in europe, we have a whole load of people sitting very close to each other =p |
| 16:08.53 | Jamash | I think a better question is "why would you be in a 40man guild"? |
| 16:09.05 | Mirrormn | and then everyone in either guild spent the whole time bitching about how much they hated the people from the other guild |
| 16:09.10 | Mirrormn | it was so ridiculous |
| 16:09.10 | Jamash | nevcairiel: so you have no sense of empathy? |
| 16:09.22 | Wobin | Mirrormn: our "Raiding Conglomerate" had a motto: "Oceanic Raiders: We Do It One Second Behind Everyone Else" |
| 16:09.36 | Mirrormn | and then I later found out that the guild leader of the other guild was a member of my church =S |
| 16:09.50 | Jamash | small world |
| 16:09.57 | Wobin | nevcairiel: well, you asked why we'd be in a 10man |
| 16:10.00 | Wobin | that's why =P |
| 16:10.02 | nevcairiel | Jamash: for people i know, sure, but i cant feel bad for every problem on the world |
| 16:10.09 | Jamash | so you don't try? |
| 16:10.15 | Mirrormn | monkeysphere! |
| 16:10.26 | Jamash | super simian ball? |
| 16:10.53 | Mirrormn | if you didn't ascribe to the same policy, jamash, you would be enrolled in the peace corps instead of typing on IRC |
| 16:10.55 | Jamash | s/ball/sphere/ |
| 16:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Bawls! |
| 16:11.02 | Jamash | Mirrormn: How do you know 'm not? |
| 16:11.26 | Mirrormn | I think the two are probably mutually exclusive |
| 16:11.33 | Jamash | that reminds me of a joke |
| 16:11.34 | Mirrormn | I might be wrong in that assumption |
| 16:11.41 | Wobin | You're saying those in the Peace Corps can't use IRC? |
| 16:11.41 | Jamash | There are two penguins, standing on an ice floe |
| 16:11.45 | Mirrormn | anyway Monkeysphere -> http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html |
| 16:11.56 | TC-Work | you know, i should not be able to leave home and go to work in LA rush hour to see the same conversation in IRC |
| 16:12.08 | Jamash | One of the penguins turns to the other and says, "You know, you look like you're wearing a tuxedo." |
| 16:12.14 | Mirrormn | (basically an article about the maximum number of people any given person is able to "care about") |
| 16:12.40 | Jamash | The other penguin looks at the first penguin and says, "How do you know I'm not?" |
| 16:13.07 | Mirrormn | ... I don't really get it =/ |
| 16:13.15 | Fisker | that's because you didn't kill a huy |
| 16:13.17 | Fisker | guy |
| 16:13.27 | Mirrormn | Fisker |
| 16:13.27 | Kraps | i kiiled a huy ones |
| 16:13.31 | mikma | well, see the futurama episode where bender turns into a penguin |
| 16:13.34 | Mirrormn | make me part of your world |
| 16:13.41 | Fisker | no Mirrormn |
| 16:13.48 | Mirrormn | I need to be a part of you! |
| 16:13.49 | TC-Work | Kraps: stop kiiling things |
| 16:13.56 | Fisker | no Mirrormn |
| 16:13.58 | Fisker | hey kalr |
| 16:14.01 | Fisker | fffffuuuuuuuu |
| 16:14.04 | TC-Work | Fisker: come up with some new material already |
| 16:14.06 | Mirrormn | I'VE NEVER NEEDED ANYTHING MORE IN MY LIFE |
| 16:14.07 | Fisker | i though you were kalroth Kraps |
| 16:14.07 | Kraps | huys suck anyway |
| 16:14.14 | TC-Work | it's like watching reruns |
| 16:14.19 | Fisker | i don't need new material TC-Work |
| 16:14.23 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 16:14.25 | Jamash | he needs blood |
| 16:14.29 | Jamash | fresh, human blood |
| 16:14.35 | Mirrormn | it's not material, it's just The Truth |
| 16:14.37 | Kraps | TC-Work: some reruns are better than others |
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| 16:14.59 | TC-Work | Kraps: be that as it may, in the end you are just seing something you already know |
| 16:15.13 | Jamash | with the rerun show and the cocaine nose-job, the daytime crap of a folk-singer slob |
| 16:16.14 | Kraps | TC-Work: you've never rewatched a movie you enjoyed? |
| 16:16.26 | Jamash | http://youtu.be/LY4Uao1YF3o DISCUSS |
| 16:16.38 | TC-Work | Kraps: not if i still remember it well enough |
| 16:16.47 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.apple.com/ |
| 16:16.55 | Mirrormn | DEREZZED = ME GUSTA |
| 16:16.55 | sylvanaar_work | they are so dramatic |
| 16:16.58 | Jamash | apple sucks |
| 16:17.21 | sylvanaar_work | what doesnt |
| 16:17.28 | Jamash | call me when they allow third party app stores on ios |
| 16:17.36 | Mirrormn | Tron: Legacy, itself, though, seems like it will be a very cliche story with slightly better visuals and considerably better music than your average movie |
| 16:17.41 | Jamash | (oh wait that's never) |
| 16:18.08 | sylvanaar_work | CareMeter(TM): 0 [-|--------------------------||----------------------------] 10 |
| 16:18.26 | sylvanaar_work | i guess it isnt important to me |
| 16:18.54 | Kraps | ~sylvanaar_work++\ |
| 16:19.32 | TC-Work | sylvanaar_work: your meter isnt balanced |
| 16:19.32 | Jamash | Luke McKinney put it best when he wrote that a "walled garden" is really a "landscaped jail". |
| 16:19.42 | TC-Work | please fix and resubmit |
| 16:19.52 | Jamash | wait, is the single | or the double || the location of the needle? |
| 16:19.58 | TC-Work | the single |
| 16:20.04 | TC-Work | the || shows the false midpoint |
| 16:20.13 | TC-Work | ||* |
| 16:20.27 | Jamash | those are the same |
| 16:20.36 | TC-Work | not on mine |
| 16:20.44 | Mirrormn | I think you shuld change the | needle indicator to like a O or a 8 |
| 16:20.47 | Jamash | then yours is broken |
| 16:20.48 | sylvanaar_work | the needle is the single |
| 16:21.03 | sylvanaar_work | or * |
| 16:21.10 | Mirrormn | yeah, * would be good |
| 16:21.18 | Jamash | or â |
| 16:21.29 | sylvanaar_work | CareMeter(TM): 0 [-@--------------------------||----------------------------] 10 |
| 16:21.32 | nevcairiel | snowman power! |
| 16:21.34 | TC-Work | is that an eyeball with a hat? |
| 16:21.38 | TC-Work | oh |
| 16:21.41 | Jamash | http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ |
| 16:21.42 | Fisker | i once killed a guy posting caremeters |
| 16:22.02 | sylvanaar_work | i have to come up with a good configuration before i release it |
| 16:22.08 | sylvanaar_work | http://www.wowace.com/addons/caremeter/ |
| 16:22.09 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:22.15 | Jamash | I once shot a man in Azeroth, just to watch him die. |
| 16:22.40 | Fisker | watch out for the local CSI team Jamash |
| 16:23.01 | TC-Work | sylvanaar_work: thats going to be win |
| 16:23.03 | Jamash | it's ok, my gun doesn't use ammunition anymore |
| 16:23.07 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:23.08 | Jamash | no ballistics fingerprint |
| 16:23.27 | Fisker | no but they can zoom in on the timevortex in the caverns of time |
| 16:23.37 | Jamash | oshi |
| 16:23.44 | sylvanaar_work | im doing http://www.wowace.com/addons/failmeter/ too |
| 16:23.58 | Mirrormn | I like the spelling "Careometer" better |
| 16:24.05 | Mirrormn | with the accent on the second syllable |
| 16:24.12 | Jamash | I wish the enUS wow client had a bigger selection of unicode characters |
| 16:24.18 | sylvanaar_work | me too |
| 16:24.34 | Mirrormn | use a font with more unicode characters, then ^_^ |
| 16:24.40 | sylvanaar_work | prat has fonts which allow russian characters |
| 16:24.42 | Jamash | I can't send people snowmen in chat |
| 16:24.51 | Mirrormn | who cares if no one else can see them as long as you can |
| 16:24.53 | sylvanaar_work | sadly no snowment |
| 16:24.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, no snows. |
| 16:25.22 | Jamash | SNOW MANS |
| 16:25.31 | sylvanaar_work | SNOW MENZ |
| 16:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | snow wimminz |
| 16:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | snowgendernonspecificpersons! |
| 16:25.53 | Jamash | snowtrolls |
| 16:25.55 | industrial | every time I see a snowman I have to think of Calvin |
| 16:26.26 | industrial | http://www.angelfire.com/wa/zzaran/calvin.html |
| 16:26.31 | Jamash | a true artiste of the format |
| 16:26.34 | industrial | (angelfire zomg it lives?!) |
| 16:26.39 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:27.17 | TC-Work | sylvanaar_work: you should have amusing messages as well. like for 0 of caremeter could be "i care so little for that it would take divine intervention to make me even aware of it." |
| 16:27.36 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:27.37 | sylvanaar_work | well, im going to support /care -1 |
| 16:27.41 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:27.50 | Jamash | care underflow error, precision lost |
| 16:28.35 | sylvanaar_work | ill have to come up with 11-12 amusing sayings |
| 16:28.41 | Mirrormn | what I want to know is |
| 16:28.42 | sylvanaar_work | thats a good idea though TC-Work |
| 16:28.51 | Mirrormn | does the CareMeter ever display anything other than 0? |
| 16:28.52 | TC-Work | sylvanaar_work: ty ^_^ |
| 16:29.11 | sylvanaar_work | Mirrormn: IRL? |
| 16:29.16 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 16:29.25 | Nobgul | IRL mine nearly never breaks 5 |
| 16:29.25 | Mirrormn | either way, I guess |
| 16:29.28 | TC-Work | sylvanaar_work: i would suggest 2-3 for each so it doesnt get old, and get submissions for the community. |
| 16:29.46 | Mirrormn | but specifically, the addon |
| 16:29.56 | Mirrormn | are you even going to bother letting it display values other than 0? |
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| 16:30.03 | TC-Work | "I care for that so little even chick norris could not make that interesting" |
| 16:30.24 | Fisker | i once killed a guy pt. 2 |
| 16:30.27 | Nobgul | IMHO a frame with a button, click it for random care effect. |
| 16:30.35 | Fisker | *freeeeesh* |
| 16:30.45 | sylvanaar_work | Mirrormn: yeah, its going to be /care <-1 - 10> |
| 16:31.16 | TC-Work | can you do me a favor and make it go to -4 |
| 16:31.26 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:32.06 | sylvanaar_work | maybe it should be CareMeter(TM): -10 [-|--------------------------|0|----------------------------] 10 |
| 16:32.08 | Nobgul | Why not get a good range and go -10 to 10 this |
| 16:32.13 | sylvanaar_work | haha |
| 16:32.14 | TC-Work | it's an inside joke between me and my fiends. the scale is happiness and -4 is sodomy. |
| 16:32.20 | Nobgul | hehe as soon as u typed it i stoped =P |
| 16:32.27 | adys_ | sylvanaar_work |
| 16:32.41 | Jamash | fisker has a leading part in How I Killed Your Mother |
| 16:32.52 | Mirrormn | I strongly oppose the creation or use of nonsensical ranges for your CareMeter |
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| 16:33.11 | TC-Work | Jamash: that cant be right, he is not funny |
| 16:33.11 | sylvanaar_work | adys_: |
| 16:33.11 | Mirrormn | you'll ruin its credidibility as a scientific measurement |
| 16:33.12 | Nobgul | sylvanaar: It should start at 10 and reduce as you type i don't care or any variation there of . |
| 16:33.17 | adys_ | sylvanaar_work, http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes?ids=265#quote-265 |
| 16:33.39 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 16:33.42 | Nobgul | lol |
| 16:34.02 | sylvanaar_work | great minds |
| 16:34.08 | Nobgul | I am sure i saw a addon on wowi that was a care thing with a random number or something of that nature. I can't find it though |
| 16:34.12 | TC-Work | are not on IRC |
| 16:34.56 | Nobgul | IS there a way to filter only addons that have been tagged working in 4.01? |
| 16:35.25 | Jamash | yes, use a filter that only matches addons that have been tagged working in 4.0.1 |
| 16:35.52 | Nobgul | How about when browsing the individual cat's? |
| 16:36.04 | Nobgul | nvm ill just sorty by last updated |
| 16:36.58 | Nobgul | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18332-FakeMyGearScore.html |
| 16:37.01 | Nobgul | Ok that is full of win |
| 16:37.02 | Humbedooh | time to see if I can log onto beta realm again, or if it'll just crash as usual :< |
| 16:37.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Kevin@149.169.209.240) |
| 16:37.17 | nevcairiel | flips a switch |
| 16:37.20 | nevcairiel | crash, it will |
| 16:37.34 | Humbedooh | indeed it will |
| 16:37.36 | sylvanaar_work | ok Yoda |
| 16:37.39 | Humbedooh | stupid texture issue |
| 16:38.00 | sylvanaar_work | oh thats random |
| 16:38.05 | sylvanaar_work | it goes away |
| 16:38.11 | sylvanaar_work | i dont know why |
| 16:38.14 | Caleb| | Humbedooh tried deleting the cache foldiers? |
| 16:38.17 | *** join/#wowuidev vjeux (52e9ed5b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.233.237.91) |
| 16:38.17 | Humbedooh | no no, it's a specific texture all the time :\ |
| 16:38.33 | Humbedooh | and since my char is stuck looking at it, I'm screwed |
| 16:38.34 | sylvanaar_work | mine was the "texture cache" |
| 16:38.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 16:38.46 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 16:38.51 | sylvanaar_work | i just waited a day, and i guess it became uncached |
| 16:38.52 | Humbedooh | mastu... |
| 16:38.55 | Humbedooh | erhm |
| 16:39.06 | Humbedooh | creation! |
| 16:39.28 | Jamash | conflagration |
| 16:39.49 | sylvanaar_work | rejuvenation |
| 16:40.07 | Humbedooh | collectination |
| 16:40.13 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 16:40.13 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 16:40.19 | Humbedooh | you lose, nev! |
| 16:40.50 | nevcairiel | authentication |
| 16:40.51 | nevcairiel | there :p |
| 16:41.16 | sylvanaar_work | vindication |
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| 16:42.16 | sylvanaar_work | noone got the joke =( |
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| 16:42.33 | Maldivia | perhaps we just dont think it's funny ? |
| 16:42.41 | sylvanaar_work | heh |
| 16:42.49 | sylvanaar_work | i try |
| 16:47.02 | Arrowmaster | i really hate this thinkpoint fake-av, it just wont fucking go away |
| 16:47.03 | nevcairiel | adys_: your mmoc db thingy can probably tell me what spell a certain spell id was in 3.3 (which is gone now)? |
| 16:47.29 | adys_ | nevcairiel, i could tell you if i were home |
| 16:47.37 | adys_ | so ping me in 2 days |
| 16:47.57 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 16:50.32 | Humbedooh | what's the spell id? |
| 16:52.41 | nevcairiel | i just googled for it, it came up somewhere |
| 16:56.11 | jnwhiteh | so my laptop is bust. |
| 16:56.15 | jnwhiteh | £1400 to repair it. |
| 16:56.29 | sylvanaar_work | what?! |
| 16:56.36 | sylvanaar_work | thats the price of a new one |
| 16:56.52 | Arrowmaster | £1399.99 |
| 16:56.59 | jnwhiteh | yes, it is. |
| 16:57.05 | sylvanaar_work | some repair |
| 16:57.25 | Mirrormn | what broke on it? |
| 16:57.34 | jnwhiteh | it drank a glass of milk |
| 16:57.42 | jnwhiteh | well, precisely, it had breakfast with me |
| 16:57.44 | Mirrormn | ick |
| 16:57.47 | jnwhiteh | i ate the bran flakes, it ate the milk. |
| 16:57.54 | jnwhiteh | my own fault, obviously. |
| 16:58.02 | jnwhiteh | at least I have come to terms with this. |
| 16:58.19 | Mirrormn | well yeah, that's a situation where concievably almost all of the components could be damaged |
| 16:58.30 | Mirrormn | so basically you "totalled" it |
| 16:58.45 | Mirrormn | that sucks =/ |
| 16:58.50 | jnwhiteh | yep. |
| 16:59.05 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, was it an immoral laptop of low fiber? |
| 16:59.07 | sylvanaar_work | is that your primary pc? |
| 16:59.12 | Mirrormn | on the other hand, you could view it as an excuse to buy something newer and better ^_^ |
| 16:59.21 | adys_ | (just kidding, it really sucks - hope you got warranty or something) |
| 16:59.38 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_work: yes, it is. |
| 16:59.41 | jnwhiteh | there's no warranty |
| 16:59.53 | jnwhiteh | its just a very very expensive mistake. |
| 17:00.08 | sylvanaar_work | jnwhiteh: that really sucks, you have my sympathy |
| 17:00.13 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, what kind of laptop is it? |
| 17:00.18 | jnwhiteh | its okay, i'm okay with it |
| 17:00.19 | jnwhiteh | oddy. |
| 17:00.23 | jnwhiteh | adys_: 15" i7 macbook pro |
| 17:00.30 | adys_ | ick, yeah ok |
| 17:00.34 | jnwhiteh | a new one costs £1528 |
| 17:00.42 | Mirrormn | is the hard drive salvageable? |
| 17:01.04 | jnwhiteh | it appears so |
| 17:01.06 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy|lap (~stolenleg@chello084115137250.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 17:01.07 | jnwhiteh | but that's not important |
| 17:01.12 | adys_ | milk wont damage a hd |
| 17:01.16 | adys_ | not the disks anyway |
| 17:01.26 | adys_ | you can probably salvage a lot of it |
| 17:01.37 | adys_ | if you think it's worth it |
| 17:01.43 | jnwhiteh | I dont need it |
| 17:01.56 | jnwhiteh | all of my data, quite literally all of it except my itunes library, which I have 90% of is fully backed up |
| 17:02.00 | jnwhiteh | on git or dropbox |
| 17:02.05 | jnwhiteh | except for photos |
| 17:02.07 | jnwhiteh | that migt be an issue. |
| 17:02.09 | adys_ | well it still can save you money |
| 17:02.13 | jnwhiteh | I didn't even think of that =) |
| 17:02.19 | jnwhiteh | adys_: not really, you can't buy a laptop without a hahrd drive :P |
| 17:02.29 | nevcairiel | but you can buy one with a small one |
| 17:02.34 | adys_ | no, but it's good to have spare parts |
| 17:02.51 | sylvanaar_work | anyhow you'll void the warranty on your new macbook if you mess around with it |
| 17:02.55 | adys_ | i dont know the dvd drive on macbooks, but thats the sort of thing you wanna salvage if you care about it |
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| 17:06.07 | jnwhiteh | and while its cheaper to go with a dell or some shit liek that |
| 17:06.10 | jnwhiteh | its not much cheaper, at all |
| 17:07.09 | Mirrormn | I dunno, it seems cheaper |
| 17:07.34 | adys_ | ive never been much for laptops are main computer |
| 17:07.40 | adys_ | extremely expensive and damaged easily |
| 17:07.42 | jnwhiteh | adys_: i have 0 space for an actual computer |
| 17:07.48 | jnwhiteh | so no choice that at all |
| 17:07.48 | LebQzz | anyone else from eu servers ? |
| 17:07.48 | adys_ | ah :/ yeah that sucks |
| 17:07.54 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: yes. |
| 17:07.59 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, maybe a closet or something? |
| 17:08.04 | LebQzz | can you log in? |
| 17:08.04 | jnwhiteh | adys_: nope |
| 17:08.08 | adys_ | mmh |
| 17:08.10 | jnwhiteh | LebQzz: i'm not tyring to |
| 17:08.20 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: Equivalent hardware plus form factor == same price, basically |
| 17:08.37 | Mirrormn | what about, say http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152204 |
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| 17:08.53 | jnwhiteh | add 17.5% VAT |
| 17:08.57 | Mirrormn | or does that not count as same form factor |
| 17:09.00 | jnwhiteh | add the 3 year service plan |
| 17:09.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:09.10 | jnwhiteh | all of that is included in the mac |
| 17:09.40 | LebQzz | now i could log in.. wth ;) |
| 17:11.08 | Mirrormn | wait, what does this 3 year service plan include |
| 17:11.14 | Mirrormn | if it does not replace your computer? |
| 17:11.16 | jnwhiteh | any non-accidental damage |
| 17:11.21 | jnwhiteh | spills are never covered |
| 17:11.27 | jnwhiteh | unles you buy some kind of insurance |
| 17:11.33 | jnwhiteh | applecare covers everything else |
| 17:11.59 | jnwhiteh | well, there are limits, but the important thing is every single apple computer sold under the education store in the UK has 3 year applecare included in the price |
| 17:12.36 | Mirrormn | well, $1450 + 17.5% + $160 squaretrade warranty = $1860 = ~1150 pounds |
| 17:12.49 | jnwhiteh | VAT on the warranty |
| 17:12.55 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 17:13.03 | jnwhiteh | its not much of a difference from the same mac |
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| 17:13.47 | Mirrormn | 1528 for the mac is 32% more... |
| 17:14.08 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 17:14.14 | jnwhiteh | I understand |
| 17:14.20 | jnwhiteh | thanks for looking at everything for me. |
| 17:16.58 | Mirrormn | what model of i7 processor does the macbook have, anyway? |
| 17:17.11 | jnwhiteh | not sure offhand |
| 17:17.15 | Mirrormn | is it like a special apple-only chip? |
| 17:17.21 | jnwhiteh | no, I don't think it is |
| 17:17.55 | Mirrormn | looks like it might be 620m |
| 17:18.48 | nevcairiel | the fastest is the 620m, they also have it with the 610e and some i5 models |
| 17:18.59 | nevcairiel | or for some extra money they 640m |
| 17:19.16 | jnwhiteh | I bought the i7 because of the graphics card |
| 17:19.17 | jnwhiteh | for WoW |
| 17:19.21 | durcyn | they use 520, 540, and 620 afaik |
| 17:19.23 | jnwhiteh | I'm not certain that it was necessary |
| 17:19.36 | nevcairiel | what graphics does it come with? |
| 17:19.39 | nevcairiel | intel? |
| 17:19.49 | nevcairiel | ah, no, a 320M |
| 17:19.51 | durcyn | geforce 320 |
| 17:19.51 | durcyn | ye |
| 17:19.58 | jnwhiteh | GT 330M on the model I bought |
| 17:19.58 | nevcairiel | or 330 actually in the i7 models |
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| 17:20.13 | durcyn | i think the spec sheet i'm looking at might be from the previous refresh though |
| 17:20.36 | nevcairiel | the 330 isnt that great, but still better then the intel |
| 17:20.47 | nevcairiel | but its not a gaming notebook |
| 17:20.58 | jnwhiteh | well its a matter of 320M versus GT 330M |
| 17:21.06 | jnwhiteh | that's 13" versus 15" |
| 17:21.22 | Mirrormn | not if you buy non-apple hardware ^_^ |
| 17:21.24 | jnwhiteh | the 15" is GT 330M 256Mb versus GT 330M 512Mb |
| 17:21.29 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: and then I can't run os x |
| 17:21.31 | jnwhiteh | so I have to run linux |
| 17:21.34 | jnwhiteh | becuase I won't run windows |
| 17:21.36 | jnwhiteh | and then shit doesn't work |
| 17:21.38 | jnwhiteh | that's the sad reality |
| 17:21.42 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 17:22.08 | Mirrormn | it might be possible to find a suitable laptop that also had hardware support for osx86... |
| 17:22.09 | nevcairiel | hackintosh! |
| 17:22.12 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
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| 17:22.15 | Mirrormn | that would be an undertaking, though |
| 17:22.21 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 17:22.22 | Fisker | wow |
| 17:22.28 | LebQzz | is the guy who makes atlasloot in here? |
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| 17:22.30 | Fisker | why would you want 512Megabit memory? |
| 17:22.31 | jnwhiteh | and would be a lifetime of dealing with support for it =/ |
| 17:22.33 | Fisker | that's like nothing |
| 17:22.39 | jnwhiteh | vram nublet. |
| 17:22.40 | Fisker | (I'm very happy with myself now) |
| 17:22.44 | durcyn | why not yourself next time, Fisker |
| 17:22.54 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh |
| 17:23.03 | nevcairiel | he is picking on your small b |
| 17:23.05 | Fisker | 64 Megabyte of VRAM isn't that much |
| 17:23.06 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:23.22 | nevcairiel | because Mb = Mbit, and MB = MByte |
| 17:23.38 | Mirrormn | mmm, buuuurned |
| 17:23.48 | nevcairiel | although people usually say Mbit or Mbps when they mean that =p |
| 17:23.52 | Mirrormn | that'll teach you to watch the capitalization of your units |
| 17:24.07 | Fisker | i'm a huge jerk |
| 17:24.18 | Mirrormn | it's okay fisker |
| 17:24.23 | Mirrormn | as long as you stop killing guys |
| 17:24.24 | Fisker | If the Nexus S turns out to be US/UK only and i have jnwhiteh get it for me he'll probably just keep it :( |
| 17:24.36 | nevcairiel | I would |
| 17:26.30 | Fisker | oooooooh snap |
| 17:26.40 | Fisker | So some guy posted about this itunes announcement tomorrow |
| 17:26.51 | nevcairiel | did he mysteriously vanish? |
| 17:26.52 | Fisker | and i was like "Maybe they'll announce iTunes not being shitty bloatware anymore" |
| 17:26.53 | Fisker | hoho |
| 17:27.02 | nevcairiel | nah, that wont happen |
| 17:27.02 | Fisker | i saw what i did there |
| 17:27.15 | sylvanaar_work | its going to be streamable from the cloud |
| 17:27.29 | sylvanaar_work | no big surprise |
| 17:27.35 | Mirrormn | sounds pretty reasonable |
| 17:27.40 | sylvanaar_work | but only the stuff you bought from itunes |
| 17:27.47 | Fisker | for 0,01$ a song |
| 17:27.48 | sylvanaar_work | so basically worthless |
| 17:27.54 | Arrowmaster | so this was on tv yesterday, i only watched a few minutes of it though, http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_US/Video/Red-Bull-Rampage-Finals-021242911842873 |
| 17:28.08 | sylvanaar_work | lala was better |
| 17:28.19 | sylvanaar_work | it read my mp3 collection |
| 17:29.16 | Fisker | i kinda lol'd over the fact that you can't redownload your music if you lose it |
| 17:29.26 | sylvanaar_work | yeah, you cant from amazon either |
| 17:30.08 | sylvanaar_work | i guess with the cloud version you dont have to worrry about that |
| 17:30.33 | Fisker | that's why i said 0,01$ a song :3 |
| 17:30.43 | sylvanaar_work | well lala was 0.10 per song |
| 17:30.45 | Fisker | i wouldn't be surprised you essentially pay for the downloads |
| 17:30.49 | sylvanaar_work | so it will at least be that |
| 17:30.50 | Fisker | LOL |
| 17:31.01 | Fisker | but i mean just streaming the song though |
| 17:31.06 | Fisker | still requires preownership |
| 17:31.13 | sylvanaar_work | now, if they announce a SUBSCRIPTION..that would be epic |
| 17:31.37 | sylvanaar_work | even though there is already services like that |
| 17:32.09 | Fisker | how much does apple make from a sale? |
| 17:32.16 | Lopeppeppy | My cats. They are cute! http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=258019&id=575257939&l=036b33216e |
| 17:32.18 | nevcairiel | they should announce video on demand for non US, with the full US movie/tv library |
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| 17:32.36 | Kraps | so any of you get a primal fear thing when using an elevator? |
| 17:32.37 | nevcairiel | why can i not watch a movie in english if i want to |
| 17:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | pouncels on alestane!! |
| 17:32.47 | sylvanaar_work | use a proxy |
| 17:32.55 | alestane | Oof, ow, careful! |
| 17:33.07 | nevcairiel | proxys are usually too slow for streaming video |
| 17:33.11 | Shirik | I'm late for a meeting with some classmates |
| 17:33.20 | Shirik | so we get to talking on gtalk |
| 17:33.22 | jnwhiteh | so I need to decide |
| 17:33.24 | Shirik | and this happens: http://wowi.pastey.net/142902 |
| 17:33.26 | Fisker | won't happen anyway nevcairiel |
| 17:33.31 | sylvanaar_work | my dad uses one so he can watch hulu in saudi arabia |
| 17:33.33 | Lopeppeppy | Reminding me when I'm at home that I have a hilarious to show you!! |
| 17:33.36 | jnwhiteh | 320M, 330M 256MB or 330M 512MB. |
| 17:33.38 | sylvanaar_work | it works out for him |
| 17:33.38 | Shirik | This is how sad my degree is :( |
| 17:33.39 | nicoli_s | Lopeppeppy:yer kitties look like mine |
| 17:33.59 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: 512MB |
| 17:34.03 | nicoli_s | well at least one |
| 17:34.03 | Shirik | more is always better |
| 17:34.05 | alestane | To show me, Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:34.05 | Shirik | but why |
| 17:34.06 | jnwhiteh | that's sad news. |
| 17:34.09 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: my laptop is fried. |
| 17:34.13 | jnwhiteh | cost to replace: £1400 |
| 17:34.15 | Shirik | ouch |
| 17:34.22 | jnwhiteh | cost of a new same model, £1500 |
| 17:34.24 | Fisker | i'm pretty much just waiting for Steam to go sell movies and music |
| 17:34.32 | Fisker | i'm sure they'll atleast try to get it right |
| 17:34.47 | nevcairiel | stupid movie licenses make it hard :( |
| 17:34.55 | Shirik | I don't know what a pound is though |
| 17:34.57 | Kraps | Shirik: so a friend slept over so? |
| 17:35.04 | Shirik | Kraps: In a classroom |
| 17:35.13 | Kraps | lololol |
| 17:35.21 | Kraps | why the fuck |
| 17:35.27 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: doesn't matter.. its £100 to buy a new one over the repair cost. |
| 17:35.29 | Shirik | because that's how much work we have to do |
| 17:35.33 | nevcairiel | dont think they could sell us tv episodes close to their air date without local boardcasters going on a rampage because they would show it half a year later only |
| 17:35.39 | sylvanaar_work | $1.6 |
| 17:35.45 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: How old is the old one? |
| 17:35.50 | jnwhiteh | april. |
| 17:35.54 | Shirik | yuck |
| 17:35.57 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 17:35.58 | Shirik | it's not still under warranty? |
| 17:36.05 | jnwhiteh | warranty doesn't cover drinking milk. |
| 17:36.09 | Kraps | http://comics.com/zoom/341927/ |
| 17:36.09 | Shirik | Wait wait wait |
| 17:36.12 | Shirik | is it a mac? |
| 17:36.13 | sylvanaar_work | i cant belive its back down to $1.6 |
| 17:36.16 | jnwhiteh | yes, so? |
| 17:36.26 | Shirik | If it wasn't a mac it wouldn't have died *sagely nod* |
| 17:36.39 | jnwhiteh | clearly. |
| 17:36.40 | Shirik | I'm kidding of course :P |
| 17:36.43 | durcyn | nevcairiel: "Instutions will try to preserve the problem to which they are the solution" |
| 17:36.54 | jnwhiteh | well i'm not in a very 'amused' mood at the moment =) |
| 17:36.56 | Shirik | do you use it for gaming? |
| 17:37.00 | jnwhiteh | for WoW |
| 17:37.01 | jnwhiteh | and SC2 |
| 17:37.04 | Computerpunk | Fisker, http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-06-16/0f872341791a839f2cd795a3f2f7a801.jpg |
| 17:37.10 | jnwhiteh | which is why I bought the i7 512MB initially |
| 17:37.11 | Shirik | I would get the 512 then |
| 17:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | I need a new laptop too, Gryphon is getting.... crankity. |
| 17:37.21 | Shirik | 256 seems a little low to me |
| 17:37.59 | Lunessa | I love password changing day... and by love I really mean *hate*. |
| 17:38.32 | nevcairiel | 256 is low for SC2, that game is kinda demanding for a RTS |
| 17:38.40 | jnwhiteh | you can drop the settings |
| 17:38.42 | jnwhiteh | but yeah. |
| 17:38.49 | Shirik | yeah I play on pretty low settings |
| 17:38.58 | jnwhiteh | so the 320MB is out. |
| 17:39.00 | Shirik | I went to a friend's computer and was like "wow this looks awesome!" |
| 17:39.01 | jnwhiteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arz8pzJZSxA&feature=related |
| 17:39.07 | jnwhiteh | this video makes that very obvious |
| 17:39.16 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: please CIV 5 is far more demandind |
| 17:39.18 | Lopeppeppy | sends Lunessa some pumpkin chocolate chip cookies. |
| 17:39.19 | TC-Work | demanding* |
| 17:39.45 | nevcairiel | TC-Work: since when is civ a RTS? |
| 17:40.03 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: TBS should use even less resources |
| 17:40.22 | nevcairiel | beside the point =p |
| 17:40.26 | jnwhiteh | I should take curse point donations =) |
| 17:40.31 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Get the new one with 512MB |
| 17:40.38 | Ackis | http://consumerist.com/2010/11/want-to-get-booted-from-airport-refuse-security-check.html |
| 17:40.42 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: I really don't know how I could afford it. |
| 17:40.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: your cats are funny |
| 17:40.51 | Ackis | I'm glad more and more people are not accepting that bullshit |
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| 17:44.07 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TCHSGvNwRY |
| 17:44.37 | Kraps | holy fuck |
| 17:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | thanks, zenzelezz. They're awsome, when they're not murdering each other. |
| 17:46.53 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: :) |
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| 17:48.31 | LebQzz | thats just fucked lol |
| 17:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'm flying in December, not looking forward to that. |
| 17:51.42 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Ah. This is the eternal question. I'm sorry about your laptop's demise. :( |
| 17:51.49 | jnwhiteh | its okay. |
| 17:51.50 | jnwhiteh | thank you! |
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| 17:54.14 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: that vid... if i had that much stuttering in honor hold i would chuck my pc |
| 17:54.42 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: yep, so I've ruled out the 13" MBP and the macbook air. |
| 17:55.12 | Fisker | i once saw a mac with 64MB of flash |
| 17:56.28 | Kraps | theres no AH in shatt right? |
| 17:56.37 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 17:56.54 | Computerpunk | fisky :< |
| 17:57.22 | batrick | heyo |
| 17:57.23 | syrae | Kraps: not yet |
| 17:57.28 | syrae | sooon |
| 17:57.34 | Kraps | really? |
| 17:57.53 | syrae | Kraps: Shatt and Dalaran are getting AHes |
| 17:57.56 | syrae | in Cata |
| 17:58.04 | Kraps | whoa |
| 17:58.19 | syrae | They're doing s/portals to cities/class trainers and AH NPCs/ |
| 17:58.25 | LebQzz | lol |
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| 17:58.33 | LebQzz | they should make a new ah system for once |
| 17:58.36 | LebQzz | once = one |
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| 17:59.53 | LebQzz | lol another pug down the drain |
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| 18:04.12 | Fisker | Computerpunsky |
| 18:05.29 | alestane | Where going next month, Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:06.47 | Cairenn|afk | knows, and cheers Lopeppeppy on! |
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| 18:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ohio, alestane. |
| 18:12.36 | aX0rZ | when i call hooksecurefunc(..., func) the code inside of "func" will be unsecure right? |
| 18:12.55 | alestane | Any code you supply will be insecure, yes. |
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| 18:13.04 | aX0rZ | anyway to make it secure? |
| 18:13.09 | alestane | No. |
| 18:13.20 | alestane | What are you trying to do? |
| 18:14.06 | aX0rZ | when BonusActionBarFrame is shown there is some animation, i want to remove that |
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| 18:14.45 | aX0rZ | so i try to do hooksecurefunc(BonusActionBarFrame.slideout, "Play", function(self) self:Stop() self:GetScript("OnFinished")(self) end) |
| 18:15.12 | aX0rZ | but self:GetScript("OnFinished")(self) doesn't work in combat |
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| 18:15.49 | alestane | Probably better off trying to disable the animation entirely. |
| 18:15.51 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 18:15.58 | Fisker | i thought ohio was your way of saying "oh hi" |
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| 18:16.51 | aX0rZ | alestane: thats what im trying to do but i have no idea then skipping it because the OnFinished handler moves all the buttons to the right position |
| 18:17.07 | aX0rZ | so i need that |
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| 18:19.05 | MoonWitch | Ha ,,, I just found out that July 31st is a strange day (my birthday and apparently harry potters) |
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| 18:23.05 | Kraps | netherwing rep looks to take about 2 weeks |
| 18:23.47 | batrick | is there a list of old world shit going away? |
| 18:23.57 | batrick | cuz i'm sick of the scare tactics people are using in /2 |
| 18:26.48 | zenzelezz | "Fearing their computers may be prone to viruses, many web-users download fake anti-virus software, only to find later that their bank details have been hacked." |
| 18:26.57 | zenzelezz | how can Slashdot allow the word "hacked" in that sentence? |
| 18:27.22 | aX0rZ | omg it should be cracked |
| 18:28.03 | zenzelezz | it should be neither |
| 18:28.06 | batrick | as they sa, we lost that war |
| 18:28.09 | batrick | say* |
| 18:28.21 | aX0rZ | zenzelezz: what would you suggest? |
| 18:28.24 | aX0rZ | stolen? |
| 18:28.35 | zenzelezz | stolen, key logged, intercepted, ... |
| 18:30.51 | alestane | How many readers are going to care about the difference? |
| 18:31.00 | Dagmar | Dude. |
| 18:31.02 | Dagmar | This is the internet/. |
| 18:31.02 | zenzelezz | on Slashdot? Many |
| 18:31.12 | Dagmar | It _specializes_ on pointless pedantry. |
| 18:31.19 | Dagmar | er s/on/in/ |
| 18:31.39 | syrae | batrick: there's no comprehensive list anywhere that I am aware of. That being said... any items from Kalim/EK that are available via quest reward or dungeon may be removed. Ex. Orb of Deception, Piccolo of Annoyance, Dartol's Wand of Furbolg funz. |
| 18:31.58 | Dagmar | ax0rz: "Stolen" would be the appropriate word |
| 18:32.05 | syrae | Assume that old quests are being removed entirely and replaced w/ new ones |
| 18:32.11 | Dagmar | Unfortunately, editors don't get to make last-minute rewordings like that |
| 18:32.12 | syrae | incl. dungeon quests |
| 18:32.31 | Dagmar | ...adn there's plenty of assholes submitting stories that think they win some kind of prize by getting as many people as possible wound up about something |
| 18:32.52 | Dagmar | syrae: Except Horde. Horde get shafted, always. |
| 18:33.55 | Dagmar | It wouldn't matter if they got ten extra repeatables per level where the only thing they have to do is squash kittens with an NPC-provided mallet, people would find a reason to declare a substantial number of Alliance quests easier |
| 18:33.56 | syrae | Dagmar: I'm pretty sure that it's "<my preferred faction> gets shafted. Like usual." |
| 18:34.16 | Dagmar | syrea: Yeah but I think I've seen slightly more complaining about it from Horde, just as leftovers from beta |
| 18:34.25 | Dagmar | Seems like it's some kind of tradiiton |
| 18:35.44 | syrae | Dagmar: Heh. Honestly, I'm kinda unhappy that I'm not getting extra mounts because Worgen just run around so I can't complete the 100 Mount achieve easier. Wintersaber grind still sucks balls. |
| 18:36.23 | Dagmar | I wasn't aware they're going to get plainsrunning-like abilities |
| 18:36.27 | syrae | yup |
| 18:36.39 | syrae | No worgen mounts. Just normal/epic fast run. |
| 18:36.57 | Dagmar | Well, you know... there _are_ a substantial number of Alliance players who wouldn't really mind if Horde got the Worgen |
| 18:37.09 | syrae | heh |
| 18:37.18 | syrae | Both factions want the Pandaren |
| 18:37.38 | Dagmar | I mean, they _are_ a bunch of elitist dicks who elected to say "Fuck you guys, we're staying in here" when the rest of the Alliance needed help against the Scourge |
| 18:37.52 | mikma | http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html <- nsfw, also, freaking awesome |
| 18:38.18 | syrae | Dagmar: but man, they're British! Hah. That amuses me more than anything. :) |
| 18:38.26 | Dagmar | Heheh whoops I had half of that pasted in before I saw NSFW |
| 18:38.46 | Dagmar | syrae: Or French, or Swedish |
| 18:39.05 | syrae | at least we didn't get the Goblins. Blizz took an ugly race and beat them with an ugly stick again, then gave them terrible Brooklyn accents |
| 18:39.57 | syrae | Dagmar: one of the Worgen NPCs in Vashj'ir speaks in Cockney. It's bloody amusing |
| 18:40.20 | syrae | but yeah |
| 18:40.39 | Dagmar | Well, I suppose it's a change |
| 18:40.50 | syrae | regardless.... "Blizz only plays <other faction> which is why mine got screwed." |
| 18:41.40 | syrae | Both factions have drawbacks and benefits, and both bitch about favoritism. I've just learned to accept that |
| 18:43.34 | Dagmar | Parents just need to get back to basics and beat their kids |
| 18:43.55 | Dagmar | ...and believe me, this viewpoint makes me _real_ popular in the eyes of my friends' kids |
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| 18:44.33 | syrae | heh |
| 18:44.53 | Dagmar | There's a few of them that show promise tho... They agree with me. |
| 18:45.31 | Angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 18:46.00 | syrae | angayelle: hullo |
| 18:46.23 | Angayelle | the raidindex list is different for each memeber of the raid, right ? |
| 18:46.59 | syrae | probably. I honestly don't know. |
| 18:47.33 | syrae | though, thank you for reminding me to test something tonight |
| 18:47.42 | Angayelle | anytime |
| 18:48.05 | syrae | angayelle: which was OBVIOUSLY your intention, right? :P |
| 18:48.30 | Angayelle | jnwhiteh, my copy hasn't arrived yet, you won't get your tip when you'll be at my door, that's for sure |
| 18:48.42 | jnwhiteh | ? |
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| 18:48.48 | Angayelle | of course, you can count on me |
| 18:49.11 | Angayelle | da book |
| 18:49.46 | Fisker | presents jnwhiteh |
| 18:50.39 | syrae | You know... I kinda wish that the WoW Prog book didn't include the API stuff... or at least I have the option of getting one w/o the API. I can find the API online just fine and it seems to be a big CHUNK of the overall size o' the book |
| 18:51.29 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 18:51.43 | jnwhiteh | syrae: well, they paid me to document the API |
| 18:51.47 | Dagmar | If someone's buying a chunk of dead tree already, not many of them are going to say "Oh, I don't want _all_ the documentation" |
| 18:51.47 | jnwhiteh | seems silly for them to not print that =) |
| 18:52.38 | syrae | jnwhiteh: The documentation isn't what I find useful. I tend to be all, "I want to do X" and then I search for the bit where it describes different ways of dealing with X |
| 18:52.41 | nevcairiel | two books would've been awesome |
| 18:52.49 | Angayelle | somehow having the api on a bbok is useful as my wife tend to get nervous when i'm on the computer too much, ehe |
| 18:52.57 | jnwhiteh | well again, the API was included in the proposal |
| 18:53.00 | jnwhiteh | so it was included in th ebook |
| 18:53.03 | syrae | yar |
| 18:53.07 | syrae | fair enough. :) |
| 18:53.36 | syrae | I just wish I could have two books or just get the one sans API as I never use it. |
| 18:53.59 | syrae | though, to be fair, I keep wondering why I can't find the search box, either |
| 18:54.07 | Angayelle | atm using mirc, but i don't find it that nice, any good irc client to recommend me ? |
| 18:54.17 | Dagmar | mutters "geeek" |
| 18:54.29 | Dagmar | Angayelle: "silverx xchat" |
| 18:54.31 | syrae | Dagmar: what? About me? |
| 18:54.46 | Dagmar | er "silverex xchat" |
| 18:54.47 | adys_ | Angayelle, silverex.org |
| 18:55.21 | Dagmar | syrae: Yeah, but don't worry. I got sick of doing the exact same thing until I finally said "eff it" and started buying the ORA bookshelf CDs |
| 18:55.38 | syrae | I can't tell you how many times I try to copy and paste from my programming books. And it always takes me a bit to figure out why it's not working |
| 18:55.46 | olafski | syrae: word on the wintersaber grinding :( |
| 18:55.53 | olafski | though when we can fly it should be a little bit better |
| 18:56.00 | syrae | olafski: agreed |
| 18:56.02 | olafski | I did the raptor thing on my warrior.. soooo much easier |
| 18:56.10 | syrae | Though I need to finish off Timbermaw soooooon |
| 18:56.20 | olafski | are they going out? |
| 18:56.26 | olafski | I bought exalted with zandalar yesterday :) |
| 18:56.30 | syrae | as far as I can remember, yes |
| 18:56.37 | olafski | hm |
| 18:56.45 | adys_ | <nevcairiel> two books would've been awesome |
| 18:56.47 | olafski | well I already have it anyway =) |
| 18:56.50 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, or a split book |
| 18:57.01 | jnwhiteh | well it's done |
| 18:57.13 | jnwhiteh | there are no plans for a third edition, and I won't write a third edition if it includes the API |
| 18:57.34 | syrae | Zandalar, Timbermaw, Hydraxian Waterlords, Shen'dralar, Dwarf faction that I can't recall the name of right now in Hinterlands. |
| 18:57.44 | syrae | at minimum |
| 18:57.52 | Humbedooh | wildhammer clan? |
| 18:57.55 | syrae | yar |
| 18:58.07 | zenzelezz | wasn't Wildhammer rep removed before BC? |
| 18:58.22 | syrae | I thought it was still in for some reason. Perhaps |
| 18:58.40 | syrae | I'm not looking up infoz atm. I'm just going from memory |
| 18:58.44 | zenzelezz | it might be, I haven't checked :-p |
| 18:58.59 | Lopeppeppy | The going from memory stuff is where all the panic is coming from. :) |
| 18:59.12 | syrae | I have a good memory most of the time. |
| 18:59.38 | syrae | Which is also why I do stupidly well at trivia contests to an embarrassing degree. |
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| 19:00.31 | adys_ | syrae, no, it was completely removed |
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| 19:01.28 | syrae | my memory? |
| 19:01.30 | syrae | well fuck |
| 19:02.04 | Fisker | dude you will not believe this syrae |
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| 19:02.12 | Fisker | but i once killed a guy |
| 19:02.39 | syrae | Fisker: did he fuck your girlfriend or did he just ninja loot Baron's Mount? |
| 19:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | Both at the same time, if you can believe it! |
| 19:02.50 | Kraps | 1k gold to get all the netherwing drakes |
| 19:02.57 | nevcairiel | Fisker and a girl friend? |
| 19:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | Not really, nevcairiel. |
| 19:04.12 | Fisker | i have girl friends |
| 19:04.44 | Lulia | If you can call captors friends |
| 19:06.06 | Fisker | i'm not frizl |
| 19:06.19 | Fisker | (That would require me to age around 50 years and have a wife) |
| 19:07.47 | Fisker | if he had held out a couple of years more they would've been dead woo |
| 19:08.43 | Kraps | updated my ass :( http://www.wow-professions.com/wowguides/wow-herbalism-guide.html |
| 19:09.05 | TC-Work | anyone know a plugin for FF that will let you input a url and start downloading? |
| 19:09.18 | TC-Work | eg. www.xxx.com/xxx.pdf |
| 19:10.06 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 19:10.28 | syrae | why does batbot do that? |
| 19:10.38 | Lopeppeppy | Bored bot is bored? |
| 19:11.08 | Fisker | final fantasy? |
| 19:12.37 | Lunessa | !Unkle Kirin Tor US vs !Unkle Kirin Tor US |
| 19:12.45 | Lunessa | bah... |
| 19:13.12 | Lunessa | Been so long since we did that, I've forgotten the actual commands. |
| 19:14.22 | zenzelezz | !vs |
| 19:14.29 | zenzelezz | ~vs |
| 19:14.29 | purl | vs is probably versus, or Vorpal Squirrel. Visual Studio |
| 19:14.43 | Lopeppeppy | squirrel! |
| 19:14.47 | Shirik | batbot: print(((1 or false) and true) or false) |
| 19:14.47 | Dagmar | Most people try to use bots that are actually in the channel |
| 19:14.53 | Shirik | --> print(((1 or false) and true) or false) |
| 19:14.53 | batbot | Shirik: 1 |
| 19:15.02 | Shirik | lua> print(((1 or false) and true) or false) |
| 19:15.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1 |
| 19:15.05 | Shirik | huh. |
| 19:15.21 | Shirik | batrick / jnwhiteh fix yo shitz |
| 19:15.54 | sylvanaar_work | lua interpreter prints 1 |
| 19:16.02 | Shirik | Then you have an unpatched interpreter |
| 19:16.06 | Shirik | it's supposed to print true |
| 19:16.09 | sylvanaar_work | 5.1.4 |
| 19:16.17 | Shirik | You can look at it yourself and know it's supposed to print true |
| 19:16.27 | Shirik | Wrong code generation for some particular boolean expressions. |
| 19:16.28 | Shirik | » reported by Brian Kelley on 15 Apr 2009. |
| 19:16.38 | Shirik | it's a bug in 5.1.4 |
| 19:16.41 | Shirik | with a released patch |
| 19:16.44 | nevcairiel | lua> print((1 or false) and true or false) |
| 19:16.44 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 19:17.03 | Shirik | 1 or false returns 1 |
| 19:17.05 | Shirik | 1 and true returns true |
| 19:17.07 | Shirik | true or false returns true |
| 19:17.10 | Shirik | it should be true |
| 19:17.19 | sylvanaar_work | well lua.org does return true |
| 19:17.30 | nevcairiel | lua> print(1 and true or false) |
| 19:17.30 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: true |
| 19:17.30 | Shirik | because they've patched their interpreter :) |
| 19:17.35 | sylvanaar_work | yes i get that |
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| 19:17.58 | sylvanaar_work | BUT |
| 19:18.05 | sylvanaar_work | it says lua 5.1.4 |
| 19:18.07 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:18.09 | sylvanaar_work | SO.... |
| 19:18.15 | nevcairiel | also happens to my 5.1.1 wow-lua |
| 19:18.19 | sylvanaar_work | they need to increment the version |
| 19:18.21 | Fisker | what dream level are you at Shirik ? |
| 19:18.56 | sylvanaar_work | you should make a fuss in #lua Shirik then we can bug lhf about it |
| 19:19.20 | Shirik | eh? |
| 19:19.28 | Shirik | They've already fixed it |
| 19:19.38 | sylvanaar_work | but they didnt increment the version number |
| 19:19.48 | Shirik | Because they haven't release 5.1.5 :P |
| 19:19.54 | Shirik | It's just a patch that's floating around |
| 19:20.00 | Shirik | in the void |
| 19:20.01 | sylvanaar_work | thats stupid |
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| 19:23.19 | sylvanaar_work | http://ideone.com/1CdUN |
| 19:23.23 | sylvanaar_work | they patched |
| 19:23.45 | sylvanaar_work | i love ideone |
| 19:24.48 | Shirik | they probably patched because of the vulnerabilities :P |
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| 19:25.32 | sylvanaar_work | its funny because codepad didnt |
| 19:25.33 | sylvanaar_work | http://codepad.org/BZYTBnmf |
| 19:25.41 | sylvanaar_work | same guy did both sites |
| 19:25.42 | Ackis | I'm vulnerable |
| 19:26.16 | sylvanaar_work | though he gets paid for ideone |
| 19:26.18 | Dagmar | puts on the Barry White |
| 19:26.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:27.07 | Fisker | lua> print(((1 or false) and true) or false) |
| 19:27.07 | lua_bot | Fisker: 1 |
| 19:27.08 | Fisker | tee hee |
| 19:27.12 | Fisker | i did something |
| 19:27.17 | Fisker | i don't know what |
| 19:27.18 | Fisker | but i did it |
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| 19:40.21 | Kraps | if today was your last day, would you make your mark by mending a broken heart Fisker |
| 19:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rob say Code Monkey very diligent, but his output stinks. His code not functional or elegant, what do Code Monkey think? |
| 19:42.19 | Dagmar | Clearly, Code Monkey thinks indefinite articles are for bitches. |
| 19:42.33 | sylvanaar_work | lol |
| 19:42.46 | Lunessa | Code Monkey think maybe Manager want to write goddamned login page himself. |
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| 19:43.15 | Kraps | the answer is obvious Lopeppeppy |
| 19:43.21 | Kraps | explosives |
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| 19:45.14 | sylvanaar_work | logic bombs |
| 19:45.52 | sylvanaar_work | oh that reminds me of the awful move i saw this weekend |
| 19:45.58 | syrae | Lunessa: Code Monkey doesn't say it out loud. |
| 19:46.03 | sylvanaar_work | skyline |
| 19:46.15 | Lunessa | Code Monkey not crazy, just proud. |
| 19:46.20 | syrae | :D |
| 19:46.29 | sylvanaar_work | "That must be homeland security. They must have heard this party is the bomb!" |
| 19:46.48 | Kraps | sylvanaar_work: more pylons |
| 19:48.22 | sylvanaar_work | no kidding |
| 19:50.21 | dardack | is that really a line from the movie? |
| 19:51.50 | Lunessa | Code Monkey like Fritos. |
| 19:52.35 | Mihau | Code Monkey like Tab and Mountain Dew. |
| 19:53.38 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Wy7gRGgeA |
| 19:58.09 | Dagmar | Code Monkey votes Lemon Party ticket? |
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| 19:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, Code Monkey needs more antihistimines! |
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| 20:00.56 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You make Code Monkey scared. |
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| 20:03.04 | kd3|netbook | smirks at "Once More, With Eeling" |
| 20:03.18 | Cide | hi |
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| 20:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | I think you should leave the eels out of it, kd3|netbook! |
| 20:11.32 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/131873/world-of-warcraft-stories-the-spirit-of-sharing |
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| 20:14.29 | Ackis | Bibi: the portals are removed already? :( |
| 20:15.29 | Bibi | beta. |
| 20:16.06 | Ackis | ah |
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| 20:16.44 | Kraps | Jonathan Coulton is pro |
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| 20:17.45 | nevcairiel | Bibi: the elemental invasion is a lie, i see nothing! |
| 20:18.29 | Alram | Still being rolled out |
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| 20:25.25 | mikma | bibi is a cake |
| 20:25.40 | syrae | The cake is a lie |
| 20:25.42 | syrae | fyi |
| 20:26.00 | mikma | you monster. |
| 20:28.29 | nevcairiel | ah it starts on my realm |
| 20:28.52 | unfo- | phase 3 starting? |
| 20:29.05 | syrae | unfo-: phase 4, and yes |
| 20:29.11 | unfo- | -blink- |
| 20:29.18 | nevcairiel | full blown invasion |
| 20:29.21 | unfo- | oh snap i missed phase 2 :D |
| 20:29.31 | Dagmar | What? Phase 4 starting now? |
| 20:29.48 | syrae | unfo-: heh. So did I. I did 2-3 yesterday and both quest lines were available, so that wasn't too bad |
| 20:29.50 | unfo- | was the quests in p3 just lore or am i really missing something? |
| 20:30.02 | unfo- | were* |
| 20:30.05 | Dagmar | Holy crap they're really rushing this |
| 20:30.13 | Dagmar | They just released P3 on Friday |
| 20:30.30 | unfo- | that explains it |
| 20:30.34 | Dagmar | I R NOT PREPARED! |
| 20:30.36 | unfo- | haven't played much since last wed |
| 20:31.05 | Xyphoid | i guess since all the group content's in the last phase they decided to push straight through to it? |
| 20:31.23 | foxlit | "Macros now handle spell variant transitions better. For example, Trap Launcher causes a different version of Frost Trap to be cast. Previously the macro system was not handling this transition properly." |
| 20:31.35 | foxlit | Perhaps that's a GetSpellInfo fix |
| 20:31.55 | Dagmar | foxlit: s/properly/at all/ |
| 20:39.31 | Kraps | is there an npc that can tell me wtf is going on? |
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| 20:40.18 | mikma | kraps: yo mamma |
| 20:41.54 | zenzelezz | I was minding my own business in the Dwarven District in Stormwind when the invasion happened... for a while a few of us slowly killed the elites on at a time |
| 20:42.03 | Kraps | yeah sandbags will do great against elementals... |
| 20:42.18 | nevcairiel | that was against the rain, duh |
| 20:42.19 | zenzelezz | then all of a sudden 50+ players (couldn't count) came running and things went faster |
| 20:42.22 | syrae | they're elites? What level? |
| 20:42.39 | kd3|netbook | 81? 82? |
| 20:42.43 | syrae | Kraps: they will if they're water elementals! |
| 20:42.47 | kd3|netbook | [[Elemental Unrest#Phase 4]] |
| 20:42.50 | kd3|netbook | er, |
| 20:42.56 | kd3|netbook | www.wowpedia.org/Elemental_Unrest#Phase_4 |
| 20:42.57 | syrae | kd3|netbook: hehe |
| 20:43.03 | nevcairiel | they are 80 |
| 20:43.05 | syrae | that silly IRC |
| 20:43.11 | syrae | not accepting wiki links |
| 20:43.41 | zenzelezz | IRC doesn't accept any links really, it's all your IRC client being smart |
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| 20:46.31 | Shirik | Cide, is there an easy way to print out the members of an instance of a class? |
| 20:46.42 | Shirik | I'm trying to find something in a class that I know exists |
| 20:47.19 | mikma | !api InInstance |
| 20:47.20 | lua_bot | IsInInstance: Returns whether the player is in an instance (and its type if applicable) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsInInstance) |
| 20:47.26 | mikma | !api UnitClass |
| 20:47.26 | lua_bot | UnitClass: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClass) |
| 20:47.32 | mikma | have fun, shirik! |
| 20:47.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:47.40 | kd3|netbook | smirks |
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| 20:48.52 | zenzelezz | mikma: lol |
| 20:49.22 | zenzelezz | or /who maraudon warrior perhaps |
| 20:49.36 | mikma | xD |
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| 20:52.01 | Gitt | hey, at what point does a players guid change? rename, recustomization, transfer... I assume? |
| 20:54.13 | zenzelezz | I know this is old, but it still makes me laugh when I think of it... http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_.aspx |
| 20:55.17 | kd3|netbook | lmao |
| 20:55.36 | Kraps | holy crap those bosses are scary |
| 20:55.52 | kd3|netbook | they're not pushovers, no |
| 20:55.59 | Kraps | yeah |
| 21:00.13 | Ackis | the new elemental bosses Kraps? |
| 21:02.04 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 21:13.25 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w58-P09D1YQ |
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| 21:19.24 | Kraps | ok then |
| 21:19.33 | Kraps | fire boss took 3 tries |
| 21:20.08 | nevcairiel | we only died once on the zul farrak boss because the tank failed |
| 21:20.16 | nevcairiel | the others were no problem |
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| 21:23.16 | kd3|netbook | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.16 | Kraps | awww this means i'll have framerate issues in cata |
| 21:31.13 | syrae | When is the Shattering happening? wowpedia says in 4.0.3a. MMO-Champion says not in 4.0.3a based on the patch notes. |
| 21:31.30 | Cide | Shirik: hi |
| 21:31.34 | Cide | Shirik: still need help? |
| 21:31.58 | kd3|netbook | mmo-c's got 4.0.3 (not 4.0.3a) posted for patch notes |
| 21:32.10 | syrae | I'm sooo confused |
| 21:32.20 | kd3|netbook | 4.0.3 happens today |
| 21:32.26 | kd3|netbook | 4.0.3a happens a few days before 12/7 |
| 21:32.31 | kd3|netbook | s/today/tomorrow/ |
| 21:32.33 | syrae | aahhhhh.... |
| 21:32.51 | syrae | ok, so for the last few months I thought 4.0.3a would hit FIRST. |
| 21:32.55 | kd3|netbook | no |
| 21:32.56 | syrae | THAT HELPS |
| 21:33.04 | syrae | hugs kd3|netbook |
| 21:33.09 | syrae | thanks for unconfusifying |
| 21:33.21 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowpedia.org/Template:Patches |
| 21:33.25 | kd3|netbook | listed in chronological order |
| 21:33.27 | kd3|netbook | np |
| 21:34.00 | olafski | bleh 3 phoenix hatchlings in a row :( |
| 21:34.04 | syrae | I was looking for a list o' things that were going to be removed in 4.0.3 |
| 21:34.22 | kd3|netbook | the old world |
| 21:34.25 | kd3|netbook | that pretty much covers it |
| 21:34.29 | syrae | yeah |
| 21:34.32 | kd3|netbook | in 4.0.3a* |
| 21:34.37 | syrae | but some reps are staying and some are being removed |
| 21:34.41 | syrae | yes |
| 21:34.42 | syrae | *a |
| 21:35.07 | kd3|netbook | shen'dralar and the ZG reps are gone come shattering |
| 21:35.16 | kd3|netbook | s/ZG reps/ZG rep/ |
| 21:35.28 | syrae | an Hydraxian Waterlords, I thought |
| 21:35.36 | Lunessa | If Ikea made instructions for making children: http://twitpic.com/3765xq |
| 21:35.55 | Cide | (and they should) |
| 21:37.33 | Kraps | is it: air/water in sw, earth/fire in if? |
| 21:37.50 | nevcairiel | all is in sw, i thought |
| 21:38.03 | Kraps | i'm not so sure |
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| 21:38.42 | Kraps | yeah, some says they're split horde-side too |
| 21:39.20 | Kraps | someone* |
| 21:39.34 | Kraps | so i need to head to if |
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| 21:40.25 | Kraps | you can get the FoS from the portals in the cities |
| 21:41.34 | nevcairiel | of course |
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| 21:44.39 | Kraps | hey stormbeak is in if :D |
| 21:45.29 | syrae | yup! |
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| 21:46.56 | syrae | what was the name of the dwarf engineer/hunter that Fargo wrote a comic for a several years ago? |
| 21:47.13 | syrae | ah |
| 21:47.18 | syrae | Flintlocke |
| 21:48.15 | Kraps | and trade is fucking stupid |
| 21:48.49 | kd3|netbook | it's /2. of course it is |
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| 21:49.41 | Kraps | i started leaving /2 recently, its pretty awesome |
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| 21:54.25 | Kraps | why do people want to be in a raid for the attack? |
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| 21:58.40 | Synycyl | Hey guys.... I'm having a problem getting something to update from a CHAT_MSG_SKILL... in my XML I have a self:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_SKILL"); After tracing events i've come to the conclusing this is the only remaining method to track proffession skill updates |
| 21:59.37 | Synycyl | it is supposed to fire a function in the LUA that prints a line (right now) but I can't get it to fire the funtion. Debugging code fires off the function properly on load, but i can't get it to fire from the chat message |
| 22:00.33 | Synycyl | can anyone help me out with figuring out how to call a function when this event fires! i just can't seem to get it right since the 4.X patch dropped |
| 22:00.36 | zenzelezz | did you check whether your OnEvent is being called at all? |
| 22:00.50 | alestane | Are you setting it as the OnEvent script of the frame being registered? |
| 22:01.20 | olafski | do those new bosses drop anything worthwhile? |
| 22:01.25 | Synycyl | <OnEvent function="update()" /> |
| 22:02.20 | Xyphoid | 251 gear from the look of it |
| 22:02.31 | olafski | and they're 5man things? or more |
| 22:03.35 | olafski | I'll just check mmo-c, sorry :P |
| 22:03.49 | zenzelezz | Synycyl: is that valid? I don't recall using it like that |
| 22:03.51 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:03.57 | Fisker | are you good at designing dream levels? |
| 22:04.21 | Synycyl | zenzelezz thats a call from within the XML... as referenced from the wow programming site... doesn't mean its right, but! |
| 22:04.36 | zenzelezz | if they say so there, then it probably is |
| 22:04.45 | olafski | hm, mmo-c doesn't say if the bosses are 5mannable |
| 22:04.50 | zenzelezz | I just only recall using it like <OnEvent>function();</OnEvent> |
| 22:05.01 | Synycyl | i'll try that |
| 22:05.41 | Predicate | Both ways should work, one just creates an extra closure. |
| 22:06.11 | Synycyl | thats what i thought |
| 22:06.27 | Synycyl | yet the function doesn't fire on the event |
| 22:07.08 | Predicate | Have you tried registering a different event? Something you can be sure will fire, like PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 22:07.10 | zenzelezz | Synycyl: you're right, it does look like you can specify it as an argument... but I doubt you're supposed to use () after the name |
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| 22:07.27 | zenzelezz | also, "update" sounds like a very bad name for your function, unless that was just an example |
| 22:07.48 | Synycyl | its not the actual name that was just a quick type lol |
| 22:08.28 | zenzelezz | well, did it fire at all if you used my alternative code? |
| 22:08.41 | alestane | '<OnEvent function="update" />', not '<OnEvent function="update()" />'. |
| 22:09.21 | Synycyl | ok it just fired on the PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, but I also switched to the different style... one more test to see if the parense are required in the other format |
| 22:10.29 | Synycyl | didn't fire using the function parameter either way... guess I'm using the extra tag style |
| 22:11.09 | Predicate | IIRC, the function has to be defined before the XML file runs, if you do it that way. |
| 22:11.18 | alestane | It must also be global. |
| 22:11.20 | Predicate | Depending on your TOC order, that could change things. |
| 22:12.00 | nicoli_s | lol i love mashup musicians |
| 22:12.01 | Synycyl | Hrm.... ok I have the Lua first and the XML second |
| 22:12.16 | Synycyl | but I'm gonna test the update on CHAT_MSG_SKILL now |
| 22:13.24 | alestane | Also, keep in mind that case sensitivity and similar issues matter. |
| 22:13.52 | Synycyl | just gotta get to a plant to test it |
| 22:14.09 | Synycyl | once i get this working I can rework the GUI of the addon again.... |
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| 22:16.40 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27607459508&sid=1 |
| 22:17.00 | Kraps | rose-colored glasses guy gets pwned |
| 22:17.59 | zenzelezz | "its not the events fault that blizzard had bad servers. event was great" |
| 22:18.11 | zenzelezz | this guy clearly knows about the intricacies and complexities of running an MMO |
| 22:18.23 | Synycyl | looks like its firing now thanks guys |
| 22:18.23 | syrae | zenzelezz: don't we all? |
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| 22:23.48 | Synycyl | now to remember how to create the GUI lol! |
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| 22:39.42 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 22:39.45 | Fisker | it all makes sense now |
| 22:39.54 | Fisker | all those guys i once killed was a dreamlevel down |
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| 22:42.04 | Sixen | Hai Antiarc |
| 22:42.04 | Wobin | so they're stuck in limbo? |
| 22:42.06 | Wobin | Bastard |
| 22:42.25 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.39 | syrae | ~wave~ |
| 22:42.46 | Sixen | Didn't knwo you came around here, :P |
| 22:44.17 | Fisker | nono Wobin it was only the first dream level |
| 22:44.17 | Fisker | i think |
| 22:44.31 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-22396.html Sound advice. |
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| 22:48.37 | Nobgul | I didn't bother with it >_< |
| 22:48.47 | Nobgul | mt 0_o |
| 22:50.45 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 22:50.45 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 23:15.51 | Antiarc | Sixen: I've been coming around here for years, heh. |
| 23:16.16 | Sixen | Geez. Maybe i'm blind./ |
| 23:16.30 | Sixen | I just know you frmo the War3 Map Dev forums. |
| 23:16.56 | Antiarc | That's funny, because I don't hang out there, and as far as I know I'm the only Antiarc on the internets :P |
| 23:18.09 | Nobgul | Antiarc: Sup with your site? |
| 23:18.15 | Antiarc | ? |
| 23:19.12 | Nobgul | I dunno I searched you. And there is ablank site =P |
| 23:19.27 | Antiarc | Oh. Held the domain for years, haven't done anything with it. |
| 23:21.29 | Angayelle | if i want to use thoses nices AceGUI-3.0-SharedMediaWidgets to get the pretty downdown with texture i need to switch to full lua and use ace 3.0 config stuff, right ? |
| 23:21.55 | Angayelle | or build the widget myself from scratch to use with xml |
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| 23:23.20 | Nobgul | Angayelle: I was told to lern to do it with xml first then take shorcut with the ace stuff. |
| 23:23.25 | Nobgul | Haven't done either yet |
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| 23:26.28 | Fisker | wait wait Antiarc |
| 23:26.33 | Fisker | what dream level are we on? |
| 23:27.19 | Lunessa | Did Fisker see Inception or something this weekend? |
| 23:28.17 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/photos/eric-schmidt-shows-off-a-nexus-s-at-the-web-2-0-summit/#3573758 |
| 23:28.25 | Fisker | Lunessa i once killed a guy |
| 23:28.31 | alestane | Or something, Lunessa. |
| 23:28.36 | Fisker | but it's alright since i was in a dream |
| 23:28.51 | Lunessa | alestane: Gotcha. |
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| 23:32.03 | Kraps | ~alert |
| 23:32.03 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 23:32.11 | Kraps | um |
| 23:32.20 | Kraps | ~wowalert |
| 23:32.20 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 23:34.06 | Kraps | how does blizzard activate events without server restarts and whatnot |
| 23:34.49 | Motig | by programming their server software so they can activate events without restarts |
| 23:36.04 | Wobin | Lunessa: nah, you know Fisker, he saw it when it first came out |
| 23:36.13 | Wobin | and is still trying to be 'amusing' about it |
| 23:36.17 | Kraps | fucking software, how does work? |
| 23:36.27 | Wobin | magnets |
| 23:36.50 | Lunessa | 4:20 |
| 23:37.16 | Kraps | http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_354485202_3?ie=UTF8&docId=1000630371&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_r=0FJXQW7X6JH107ZE1K4P&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1280314342&pf_rd_i=409566 |
| 23:37.59 | Arrowmaster | i cant wait till december 7th |
| 23:40.06 | Lunessa | New Deathwing Cruchies Cereal - Made from the Charred Remains of Real Victims of the Cataclysm, sweetened with all natural Tears. Brought to you by The Venture Co. |
| 23:40.24 | syrae | Lunessa: hahaha |
| 23:41.02 | syrae | great, now I'm trying to imagine what charred orc meat would taste like |
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| 23:42.46 | Kraps | so the invasions are every 2 hours? |
| 23:49.59 | Wobin | syrae: chicken |
| 23:50.25 | syrae | I was actually thinking something more like rabbit for some reason |
| 23:50.45 | Wobin | Soylent Green is Made From Orc |
| 23:50.45 | syrae | but with a bit more gamey taste |
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