| 00:03.51 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Game says I can learn Pick Pocket, and tells me to visit my trainer, but the trainer doesn't list it at all... |
| 00:05.12 | Amarande | Bummer. |
| 00:05.18 | Amarande | Pick Pocket's a HUGE moneymaker for rogues right now. |
| 00:05.37 | Amarande | Rarely a day goes by in trade where I don't see someone trying to buy several hundred heavy junkboxes for Insane in the Membrane |
| 00:08.12 | Hirsute | Wow. |
| 00:09.52 | Amarande | btw, is that still obtainable after cata, or are one or more factions needed no longer available to rep with? |
| 00:10.07 | bluspacecow | @hirsute i've searched the known bug stickies in CS , TS and Bug Reports and can't find mention of it |
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| 00:11.47 | Hirsute | Nor can I, bluspacecow. I'm running to a different trainer to see if it's just a bug with the one I was at. |
| 00:12.16 | Hirsute | Amarande: It will not be obtainable after cata, people were having pretty big tantrums about it on the forums. |
| 00:12.21 | bluspacecow | obvious question is obvious : did you disable all your addons ? not sure if an addon would interfere with that |
| 00:12.28 | bluspacecow | ha ha really ? |
| 00:12.35 | bluspacecow | i should go do it then |
| 00:12.36 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 00:14.20 | Hirsute | bluspacecow: Aye, this computer can barely run WoW at all, no addons running atm. |
| 00:15.08 | Hirsute | Seems it was just that trainer. |
| 00:15.23 | Hirsute | Wowhead lists him as teaching it... but maybe he doesn't. |
| 00:15.29 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 00:28.58 | industrial | haha awesome |
| 00:29.07 | industrial | I disconnected myself from wow by wildly flinging my mouse around |
| 00:29.31 | bluspacecow | epic. |
| 00:29.42 | Maldivia | you must have done the log off mouse gesture... |
| 00:30.47 | bluspacecow | is that like a middle finger gesture ? |
| 00:31.02 | Maldivia | no, that's flip off, not log off |
| 00:39.45 | olafski | I've done that too industrial.. odd stuff |
| 00:43.13 | Maldivia | ok, wow - this is kind of insane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daRMLyi8oO8 |
| 00:45.23 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 00:46.01 | jnwhiteh | indeed, wow |
| 00:47.20 | Cide | is that a helicopter? |
| 00:47.33 | Cide | under massive fire? |
| 00:47.59 | Maldivia | naah, just a backyard with swimming pool in a hail storm |
| 00:48.16 | Cide | I like the guy screaming fake |
| 00:48.23 | Cide | in the comments |
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| 00:56.02 | Amarande | Ok am I misreading this or can you now create any crafting recipe ANYONE in your guild with that profession knows? |
| 00:56.09 | Jamash | no |
| 00:56.26 | Amarande | ok, ATSW is on crack then |
| 00:56.34 | Jamash | you can view the profession but not make the item |
| 00:57.34 | Amarande | Jamash: I mean if you also have the same profession |
| 00:57.44 | Amarande | because when I click on View All for a profession I have on this toon, the Create buttons are ACTIVE |
| 00:58.02 | Jamash | I can't connect to the beta or ptr, something going on? |
| 00:58.11 | Amarande | and that's even when I know I don't know that recipe. and all ATSW did when I tried clicking Create was complain I didn't have the mats, not that I couldn't create it |
| 00:58.30 | Jamash | Amarande: on live or on beta/ptr? |
| 00:58.33 | Amarande | live |
| 00:58.35 | Jamash | huh |
| 00:58.50 | Jamash | well, I can test that easily enough |
| 01:00.07 | Lulia | Well this is odd |
| 01:00.08 | Amarande | also, apparently the guild professions list doesn't seem to be reflecting the enchanting bonus for blood elves |
| 01:00.38 | Amarande | says I have 417 enchanting on my priest on the guild list. errrr, I don't think so, I have a runed titanium rod and you need 425 for that ;) |
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| 01:04.36 | Maldivia | Amarande: technically, you only have 417, but have a buff that increases it |
| 01:06.19 | Cide | but it's a permanent buff so it should show up in the guild ui |
| 01:14.43 | Fisker | yay |
| 01:15.06 | Fisker | Harrison Ford didn't kill his wife |
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| 01:16.59 | Jamash | was it the one armed man? |
| 01:17.23 | zenzelezz | the one-armed, one-eyed, one-legged man |
| 01:25.50 | Shirik | You know what |
| 01:25.54 | Shirik | The spell book is way too big now |
| 01:25.55 | Shirik | why did they do that |
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| 01:26.13 | Jamash | so they could make it prettier |
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| 01:26.30 | Jamash | and have more space for mount and companion pictures |
| 01:26.33 | Shirik | it's not prettier |
| 01:26.36 | Shirik | it's taking up my entire screen |
| 01:26.42 | Jamash | so make it smaller |
| 01:27.04 | Shirik | eh? |
| 01:27.11 | Jamash | ui scale bro |
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| 01:31.23 | olafski | do you really need to see many things other than your spellbook and action bars while you have your spellbook open? :( |
| 01:32.29 | zenzelezz | actionbars are for casuals; hardcore players cast their spells from their spellbook |
| 01:32.36 | olafski | true |
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| 01:54.36 | Jamash | soooooooo there's a flyable macro option but no "mountable" option that tells you whether you're indoors? |
| 01:55.40 | Jamash | oh nvm there's indoors/outdoors |
| 01:55.44 | Stanzilla | Jamash: [indoors] |
| 01:55.44 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:55.45 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 01:56.39 | Jamash | makin' a ghost wolf macro |
| 02:01.46 | adys_ | Antiarc, ping |
| 02:02.14 | Antiarc | pong |
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| 02:06.45 | Mike-N-Go | Good morning! |
| 02:09.49 | Mike-N-Go | I scared him off.. |
| 02:24.42 | Zhinjio | Jamash: why did I think they made ghost wolf available everywhere now? |
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| 02:41.49 | Humbedooh | hey Cairenn! You know what gives wowi an edge over wowace?! |
| 02:41.53 | Humbedooh | :banana: ! |
| 02:42.01 | Cairenn | what? |
| 02:42.13 | Cairenn | ah |
| 02:43.20 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 02:53.39 | Lulia | Go go WoWI! |
| 02:55.08 | Amarande | anyone know if Rivendare still drops the mount in Cata? |
| 02:56.01 | Lulia | he should |
| 03:07.42 | Jamash | Zhinjio: they did, didn't they? |
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| 03:08.19 | Zhinjio | Jamash: I'm not certain, but I heard one of my friends who plays one being pleased about something like that |
| 03:08.48 | airtonix | has any one used sparkleshare yet ? (apparently it currently uses github as its cloud storage) |
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| 03:10.09 | Cide | lolwut? |
| 03:10.34 | airtonix | sparkleshare is supposed to be a completly opensource alternative to dropbox |
| 03:10.44 | Cide | dropbox is awesome |
| 03:10.57 | airtonix | except you can't specify your own storage server |
| 03:11.06 | Cide | and I don't need to |
| 03:11.24 | airtonix | HAND OF GOD : yes you d |
| 03:11.26 | airtonix | o |
| 03:11.30 | Cide | no? |
| 03:11.34 | airtonix | yes ? |
| 03:11.38 | Cide | why would I? |
| 03:12.09 | airtonix | it seemed to be that it was a neat simple interface to a git server |
| 03:12.24 | Cide | I don't see how that is more compelling than dropbox |
| 03:12.46 | airtonix | well for me i like that i can specify my own storage server |
| 03:13.12 | airtonix | so in a business environment, i can provide it as a backup method for the workstations |
| 03:13.15 | Cide | so you can waste those gigabytes of bandwidth yourself :) |
| 03:13.30 | airtonix | local lan bandwidth is free |
| 03:13.37 | Cide | but yes, it could be useful in certain situations |
| 03:13.51 | Cide | I don't see why you need automatic syncing if the computers are connected via lan |
| 03:14.48 | airtonix | yeah i could just set up roaming profiles or a nfs mount, or i could just install this client |
| 03:14.52 | Humbedooh | but all the cool kids are doing it, Cide! |
| 03:15.06 | Cide | and which do you think is faster? :P |
| 03:15.14 | airtonix | obviously nfs |
| 03:15.28 | Cide | and you duplicate all the data |
| 03:15.44 | airtonix | but nfs requires a more permanent commitment |
| 03:16.44 | airtonix | as in the time required to connect, mount and transfer data. |
| 03:16.53 | Cide | also um |
| 03:17.05 | Cide | does this sparkleshare support windows/osx? |
| 03:17.09 | airtonix | i think so yes |
| 03:17.12 | Cide | it lists |
| 03:17.15 | Cide | gnu/mono: coming soon |
| 03:17.18 | Cide | mac osx: coming soon |
| 03:17.20 | Cide | windows: coming soon |
| 03:17.49 | airtonix | down the bottom |
| 03:17.51 | Cide | and ios/android? |
| 03:18.51 | airtonix | well not sure about mobile devices. but it looks like its made with mono |
| 03:19.38 | airtonix | there was a project to get mono running on android and iphone |
| 03:27.54 | Hirsute | So, I decided tonight was a clam-chowder-from-a-can night. Poured out the can of condensed soup, then realized I've got no milk in the house. -_- I'm not going out because I'm right in the middle of washing all my clothes (I'm travelling, hanging out in my pjs while clothes are washing). I guess I could do worse than condensed clam chowder reconstituted with water. |
| 03:29.59 | Mike-N-Go | Hirsute: Do not dilute! |
| 03:30.08 | Cide | Shirik: want to play now? |
| 03:30.16 | Shirik | patching |
| 03:30.26 | Cide | is that a yes? |
| 03:30.30 | Cide | need to reboot into windows if so |
| 03:30.40 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.45 | Dagmar | I suppose chocolate milk is out of the question |
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| 03:36.01 | Cide | brb reboot then |
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| 03:38.54 | Tuller | bwish: http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/OmniCC4 |
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| 03:39.48 | Shirik | Cide: Just trying to get a gem real quick |
| 03:39.51 | Shirik | then will switch over |
| 03:41.36 | Cide | ah |
| 03:43.46 | Shirik | where you at CIde |
| 03:45.50 | Kraps | hey all |
| 03:50.46 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/photos/civilization-5-azeroth/ |
| 03:52.41 | MentalPower | FYI: Pastey is down |
| 03:53.59 | Seerah | Kraps: can has? |
| 03:57.35 | Seerah | nvm, found the link! http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=389792#post9743623 |
| 04:04.51 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/app/33990/ |
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| 04:05.57 | Kraps | the trailer sounds refreshingly creepy |
| 04:17.49 | adys_ | Cide |
| 04:22.24 | Cide | adys |
| 04:30.09 | Cide | you coming back Shirikitty? |
| 04:32.55 | Shirik | sorry Cide |
| 04:32.57 | Shirik | coming |
| 04:33.54 | Cide | np |
| 04:34.52 | Kraps | fuck yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcExlu3NQaY |
| 04:35.11 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: omg annotations |
| 04:35.17 | Kraps | heh' |
| 04:35.42 | Gnarfoz | also, great song |
| 04:37.20 | A-KO | http://www.geee.net/contact.htm |
| 04:37.55 | Kraps | wonder if theres stuff like a mass effect theme remix |
| 04:39.21 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr1PfB5ght8 |
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| 04:41.52 | Corey | is there a site that will list the action ids for the default blizz bars? |
| 04:43.23 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6HUWGjesI |
| 04:43.59 | Corey | or can anybody tell me the action id range for the side bars? |
| 04:44.14 | Gnarfoz | Mario mixes not even remotely as good as Megaman mixes |
| 04:44.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:45.30 | Napoleone | Lulia you here? |
| 04:45.56 | Kraps | never played megaman though :( |
| 04:46.27 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 04:46.30 | Gnarfoz | this is an outrage |
| 04:47.08 | Napoleone | yep |
| 04:47.23 | Napoleone | megaman was the shiz back in the dayhs.. like pacman and com keen ;) |
| 04:47.49 | Gnarfoz | :( Ludwig doesn't work anymore since 4.0 |
| 04:48.01 | Gnarfoz | and it doesn't look like it's going to work again |
| 04:48.03 | Kraps | i'm not that old |
| 04:48.03 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tuller |
| 04:48.12 | purl | tuller <~tuller@pool-98-117-92-241.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 9m 18s ago, saying: 'bwish: http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/OmniCC4'. |
| 04:48.36 | Napoleone | kraps, doesnt matter. i still play transport tycoon sometimes. just because its awesome.. |
| 04:48.51 | Napoleone | a game that looks good for its time, and still does, but gameplay is sooo addictive ;P |
| 04:48.52 | Gnarfoz | transport tycoon ftw |
| 04:49.02 | Gnarfoz | openttd ftw, to be more accurate |
| 04:49.06 | Napoleone | ye |
| 04:49.12 | Gnarfoz | no reason to stick with ttdx when there's openttd |
| 04:49.12 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:49.17 | Napoleone | noone have dared make a proper 3d version of it lol |
| 04:49.33 | Gnarfoz | they'd fuck it up with some random "improvements" to the gameplay |
| 04:49.49 | Napoleone | they should leave the gameplay and just boost the graphical |
| 04:49.53 | Napoleone | that would be awesome |
| 04:50.08 | Napoleone | make tiles smaller ofc.. make it more realistic ;) that would be sweet |
| 04:50.30 | Napoleone | in tTD in general it takes a bus 15 days to go what seems like 300m |
| 04:50.52 | Napoleone | thats a lie. 15 hours ;P |
| 04:50.58 | Napoleone | but its still slooow ;) |
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| 04:51.22 | Napoleone | and planes from london to paris (not even a 5th of the distance... about a month sometimes ;) |
| 04:53.47 | Kraps | adys_: are there plans for a mobile mmoc? |
| 04:54.31 | Napoleone | god I'm bored when transcoding dvd's lol |
| 04:56.08 | Napoleone | anyone pvping here? |
| 04:59.13 | Napoleone | since i cant start wow atm |
| 04:59.22 | Napoleone | whats the diff between UnitClass and UnitClassBase |
| 05:00.34 | Gnarfoz | !api unitclass |
| 05:00.34 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitclass': UnitClassification, UnitClass, UnitClassBase |
| 05:00.38 | Gnarfoz | !api unitclassbase |
| 05:00.39 | lua_bot | UnitClassBase: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClassBase) |
| 05:01.16 | Amarande | effing A! I just DC'd three times in five minutes or so |
| 05:01.26 | Napoleone | lol it is the same |
| 05:01.31 | Topper727 | Same on icecrown |
| 05:01.32 | Gnarfoz | it's note |
| 05:01.35 | Gnarfoz | it's not |
| 05:01.42 | Amarande | BLIZZARD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO USE AT&T |
| 05:01.58 | Napoleone | lol they are? |
| 05:01.59 | Topper727 | and we are in middle of for the horde.. |
| 05:02.01 | Gnarfoz | AMARANDE WHY DO YOU LIVE ON THE WRONG CONTINENT |
| 05:04.02 | Jamash | I just crashed :( |
| 05:06.17 | Hirsute | Ick. I've tried to do ForTheAlliance 3 times on one of my toons. First time we started with Thrall, but the group was a failgroup in general and we didn't get him down . Second time we started on Thrall, downed all of them, but for whatever reason I didn't get credit for the Thrall kill. Third time we started with Cairne and the group fell apart right before we attempted Thrall. Grr. |
| 05:06.39 | Topper727 | couple people can't log back in.. icecrown.. dc dc dc |
| 05:06.51 | ccox | that's kind of normal with PUGs for those achievements |
| 05:06.59 | ccox | they usually get one or 2 and then fall apart |
| 05:07.14 | ccox | only time I've had a group get all bosses, was with a guild group |
| 05:08.11 | Jamash | don't kill thrall |
| 05:08.12 | Hirsute | That second pug was pretty good, like I said, downed all four bosses really quickly. I just didn't get credit for one of the kills. :( |
| 05:08.12 | Napoleone | lol you guys know what addon just got useless in the patch |
| 05:08.14 | Jamash | he's a good guy |
| 05:08.14 | Napoleone | pallypower |
| 05:08.32 | Corey | anybody know the action ids? |
| 05:08.34 | Gnarfoz | not useless entirely. |
| 05:08.46 | Jamash | Corey: for what? |
| 05:08.57 | Napoleone | well BOK is also Motw |
| 05:08.58 | Gnarfoz | also "just" is weird for something several weeks old ;> |
| 05:09.05 | Napoleone | Might is solo exept for pet buffs |
| 05:09.12 | Gnarfoz | might is solo what? |
| 05:09.15 | Napoleone | boS is tank only |
| 05:09.20 | Gnarfoz | there is no BoS |
| 05:09.26 | Napoleone | its one of the few that buffs ot |
| 05:09.28 | Napoleone | it |
| 05:09.36 | Napoleone | or the only one |
| 05:09.38 | Jamash | also there are no pet buffs |
| 05:09.39 | Napoleone | exept pet i think |
| 05:09.47 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not sure what you're saying. |
| 05:09.48 | Jamash | pets scale at 100% |
| 05:10.04 | Napoleone | hmm motw and bok shares the same buff now |
| 05:10.07 | Hirsute | Jamash: I'll enjoy FTA far, far more in Cata after Thrall goes the way of the dragon and Garrosh Douchescream takes over. |
| 05:10.08 | Gnarfoz | sooo? |
| 05:10.08 | Corey | Jamash i need the action ids for the side bars |
| 05:10.09 | Napoleone | they dont stack. |
| 05:10.23 | Gnarfoz | that's correct, and doesn't make either of them redundant when the other is not present. |
| 05:10.32 | Jamash | corey: to get the action ids for a bar, look at http://www.wowpedia.org/ActionBars |
| 05:10.36 | Napoleone | BoM is pally only. |
| 05:10.37 | Corey | Jamash thanks |
| 05:10.42 | Gnarfoz | it is not. |
| 05:10.48 | Jamash | bar 1 is ID 1-12, 2 is 13-24, etc |
| 05:10.55 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.58 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 05:11.03 | Gnarfoz | so?! |
| 05:11.07 | Jamash | might is now the old might plus the old wisdom |
| 05:11.09 | Gnarfoz | you can still use PP for tracking "is everyone buffed with might/bok" (whichever you provide), and track your seal/rf/aura |
| 05:11.17 | Napoleone | pallypower has no use since pallys are down to 2-3 buffs |
| 05:11.23 | Gnarfoz | see above. |
| 05:11.33 | Napoleone | a pally just ahve too look after.. is there a druid in the party.. and or am i a prot |
| 05:11.40 | Gnarfoz | "am I prot"? |
| 05:11.47 | Gnarfoz | why would prot be relevant to anything. |
| 05:12.04 | Gnarfoz | see above, that's what you can use pallypower for now. |
| 05:12.35 | Hirsute | You know what else is pushing next-to-useless after the patch? QueryAuctionItems("",0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,true) |
| 05:12.47 | Gnarfoz | !api queryauctionitems |
| 05:12.47 | lua_bot | QueryAuctionItems: Requests data from the server for the list of auctions meeting given search criteria (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/QueryAuctionItems) |
| 05:13.21 | Hirsute | (that's the getall scan, for those unfamiliar with it) |
| 05:13.30 | Gnarfoz | why would getall be useless? |
| 05:13.51 | Napoleone | my fault... |
| 05:14.02 | Napoleone | thought sanctuary still was a buff lol |
| 05:14.09 | Gnarfoz | you don't actually play a paladin, right? |
| 05:14.17 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: Because it's often resulting in nonsense data on multiple realms that have large auction houses. |
| 05:14.17 | Napoleone | have one.. but rarely play it now |
| 05:14.31 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: what |
| 05:14.55 | Gnarfoz | Hirsute: first: thought about reporting that as a bug? second: how, exactly? |
| 05:15.55 | Hirsute | Gnarfoz: It's been reported. On very large AHs it often returns a list that is over 1 billion entries long, the vast majority of which contain no data. |
| 05:16.12 | Hirsute | Or, rather, produces a list, not returns. |
| 05:16.26 | Gnarfoz | awesome |
| 05:16.38 | Gnarfoz | guess my realm is tiny enough ;) |
| 05:17.07 | Amarande | and yay I just DC'd *again*I |
| 05:17.12 | Topper727 | me too |
| 05:17.17 | Hirsute | The two realm-factions that seem to be having problems with it most consistently are Ravencrest-EU Alliance and Blackrock-US Horde. |
| 05:17.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: "Alternativa is a story that will take you to a world much different to what you'd expect in 2045. To a world destroyed by war and revolutions, a world led by an oppressive and cruel dictatorship." ummm...that sounds just like HL2 |
| 05:17.29 | Amarande | Topper, is your server in Stormstrike battlegroup? |
| 05:17.30 | Topper727 | Icecrown dc again |
| 05:17.45 | Topper727 | we on a boat |
| 05:18.14 | Topper727 | dont' know this storm strike.. |
| 05:18.28 | Hirsute | Also, with the throttling of GetAuctionItemInfo() with the last patch, it often takes 45 minutes to actually get all auction data returned for at least the first getall query after a server restart. |
| 05:18.41 | Amarande | yay, and now I can't seem to connect at all again |
| 05:18.46 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: what i was thinking |
| 05:18.46 | Amarande | guess AT&T's gone and fucked up again |
| 05:18.49 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: get better internet |
| 05:19.02 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: but its a click and point |
| 05:19.04 | Topper727 | lol well I hope mine connects.. done loading. waiting now |
| 05:19.05 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: several guildmates of mine were also being DC'd regularly at the same time |
| 05:19.10 | Amarande | and they're from completely different parts of the country |
| 05:19.30 | Gnarfoz | guess all of your ISPs suck, then |
| 05:19.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 05:19.31 | Amarande | this is some sort of problem with the AT&T backbone near the WoW servers |
| 05:19.33 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: eh, i dont find 10% worth it |
| 05:20.32 | Amarande | definitely not my equipment, since the last time this happened it wasn't affecting just me and apparently fixed itself in an hour or two |
| 05:20.41 | Topper727 | has to be.. not my connectioin.. I am here the whole time |
| 05:20.51 | Amarande | also: one thing that we Americans are quite aware of is the fact that AT&T tends to suck. |
| 05:21.02 | Topper727 | lol |
| 05:21.04 | Gnarfoz | you know what to do, then |
| 05:21.13 | Amarande | yeah, wait an hour or so |
| 05:21.25 | Amarande | so it's 1:21 now ... so I'll have to try again around 1:21 |
| 05:21.26 | Gnarfoz | no, move to europe :p |
| 05:24.07 | Napoleone | comeon |
| 05:24.16 | Napoleone | 6 hours of encoding and it ecounters an error |
| 05:24.17 | Napoleone | wtf man |
| 05:25.27 | Amarande | Napoleone, such is the way of errors |
| 05:26.05 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder how freakishly overleveled I'm going to be entering Northrend on this hunter |
| 05:26.28 | Amarande | Entered Outland at 64, I tend to do most of almost every zone in Outland ... 67 and just STARTED Zangar |
| 05:26.46 | Amarande | At this rate, I may hit Hyjal at 82 or 83. :) |
| 05:28.06 | Napoleone | lol I'm just gonna do a zone completly at the time.. |
| 05:28.09 | Napoleone | prob the fastest ; |
| 05:28.39 | Amarande | and as an alchemist, I end up picking up a bunch of xp from Durnholde and BM along the way |
| 05:28.43 | Amarande | since I'm doing Elixir Master |
| 05:28.48 | Napoleone | aah |
| 05:30.40 | Kraps | is the gather xp in now? |
| 05:30.45 | Napoleone | ye |
| 05:30.55 | Napoleone | i think i got like 1½ lvl in outland on my mining ;P |
| 05:31.03 | Napoleone | 5k xp pr node |
| 05:32.24 | Amarande | I haven't seen any gather xp yet |
| 05:32.30 | Amarande | since my only gatherers are 80 :( |
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| 05:32.57 | Napoleone | its redicilous xp ;) |
| 05:35.46 | Hirsute | Lots and lots of xp |
| 05:39.18 | ccox | too bad you don't get XP for skinning |
| 05:40.09 | Topper727 | I am 450 in skinning.. too bad yea |
| 05:40.12 | Kraps | ccox: trololololol |
| 05:41.49 | Hirsute | Skinning doesn't provide xp? |
| 05:42.01 | ccox | not that I can tell |
| 05:42.05 | Kraps | ... |
| 05:42.09 | Hirsute | Well that's a bummer. |
| 05:42.11 | Mirrormn | it probably should, although only a little bit |
| 05:42.15 | ccox | but, that would also sorta be double XP (once for kill, once for skinning) |
| 05:42.21 | Kraps | ^ |
| 05:42.24 | Kraps | really |
| 05:42.25 | Mirrormn | only if you balanced it wrong |
| 05:42.34 | ccox | and you can always find mobs to kill and skin, unlike mining and herb nodes |
| 05:42.41 | Mirrormn | skinning does take *some* amount of time |
| 05:42.41 | Mike-N-Go | And if you did not kill it yourself.. |
| 05:42.44 | Mirrormn | just not very much |
| 05:43.01 | Mirrormn | so it should grant just a little bit of xp |
| 05:43.05 | Mike-N-Go | There are a lot more skinning nodes avaible per time unit compared to ore/herbs. |
| 05:43.09 | ccox | following around other players to skin their kills - oh, yeah, favorite passtime :-) |
| 05:43.27 | Hirsute | I just figured, you usually have to kill a mob to get to your mining or herbing node as well, so you get xp for the kill then xp for the gather there too. |
| 05:43.42 | Mike-N-Go | Or the guy who follows you and steal your skins when your trying to skin.. |
| 05:44.06 | ccox | Mike-N-Go: welll, I try not to be that guy |
| 05:44.25 | Mike-N-Go | And when you try to mine/herb, mobs arround will aggro. |
| 05:44.32 | Mike-N-Go | I love my stoneclaw totem =) |
| 05:45.36 | Amarande | And the aggro radius for that doesn't decrease as you level like normal aggro radius does |
| 05:46.03 | Mike-N-Go | Yup |
| 05:53.08 | Amarande | what's real fun is having a character with limited AoE abilities try to mine in a low level area while at high level |
| 05:53.21 | Amarande | so of course you didn't fight any of the mobs on the way in and now you get to pick off each of them one by one :P |
| 05:53.36 | Mirrormn | what character has limited aoe abilities these days? |
| 05:53.51 | Amarande | these days it's easier, back in the day it wasn't so great |
| 05:54.16 | Napoleone | hmm limited aoe capabilities.. bears |
| 05:54.23 | Napoleone | 6 sec cd on swipe right |
| 05:54.38 | Mike-N-Go | Swipe only hits like 4 targets, right? |
| 05:54.43 | Mirrormn | back in the day I used to herb on my priest, back when priest aoe was "lol spam SWP on everything" |
| 05:59.16 | Amarande | I still find the DPS capabilities of priests to be annoyingly lacking |
| 05:59.22 | Amarande | so now my priest has pretty much purely become used for heals |
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| 06:03.21 | batrick | so elemental shaman or enhancement shaman for leveling? |
| 06:03.39 | Amarande | batrick: depends, do you prefer to play as melee or caster? both are fine |
| 06:03.49 | batrick | no preference |
| 06:03.57 | Amarande | I'd go with elemental, since 1) apart from my DK I tend to prefer RDPS |
| 06:04.22 | Amarande | and 2) more to the point, with the threat situation in instances compared to 3.x, enhancement is kind of living on the edge again like in BC |
| 06:07.31 | a-stray-cat | are the cata beta servers up? |
| 06:14.08 | Dagmar | I'm beginning to doubt that rifts spawn about once an hour |
| 06:15.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: have you been waiting all night for a rift at one of the spots on wowpedia and not seen it? |
| 06:15.24 | Amarande | and I still haven't even seen a Wind rift |
| 06:15.37 | Amarande | I've seen Earth in WPL, Water in Un'Goro and Fire in HFP |
| 06:17.49 | Dagmar | I've been flying around Sholazar long enough to have mined 300 saronite |
| 06:18.28 | Dagmar | I don't think they're spawning on Skywall in that zone |
| 06:21.01 | tekkub | is beta down or is my client being a dick? |
| 06:21.22 | batrick | both |
| 06:21.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: have you been able to help the community by reporting any bots meanwhile as well? :) |
| 06:21.29 | Amarande | or does your server have fewer bots? |
| 06:21.46 | Dagmar | I haven't seen any bots |
| 06:21.50 | Amarande | last time I was flying around Sholazar for ages was when I was waiting for reg HoR to pop on my warlock, and I caught two mining bots |
| 06:21.57 | Dagmar | We hunt bots for sport on my server tho |
| 06:22.03 | Amarande | PvP server? |
| 06:22.10 | Dagmar | Those honor bots in Moonglade were delicious |
| 06:22.22 | Amarande | ah, my servers are all PvE |
| 06:22.34 | Amarande | where do I currently have toons ... Silvermoon, Stormrage, Zangarmarsh, Quel'dorei and Turalyon |
| 06:22.36 | Dagmar | Mine are too |
| 06:22.45 | Dagmar | Doesn't mean you can't get bots killed for giggles |
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| 06:26.23 | Dagmar | OKay yeah f**k looking for rifts in Sholazar |
| 06:26.41 | Dagmar | Two hours of flying to all the places it could be, just so I'm not staring at the same spot |
| 06:26.51 | Dagmar | Nothing but craploads of ore and elemenals |
| 06:27.16 | Dagmar | 'bout 500-600g worth. I don't *mind* the money, but as a rule I *do not farm* materials like that |
| 06:27.26 | Amarande | how much more time do we have to get the FoS? right up until December 6? |
| 06:27.54 | Dagmar | I think it's going to be unavoiadable by then |
| 06:28.06 | Amarande | yeah, the main reason I was farming saronite on the warlock was because she's a JC, and back then I was still doing the JC dailies |
| 06:28.16 | Amarande | eventually most of that saronite got sold |
| 06:28.17 | Dagmar | There's supposed to be four phases to this,a nd it looks like well... four weeks, four phases |
| 06:28.35 | Amarande | what happens in later phases? portals spawn more? |
| 06:28.52 | Dagmar | I suspect the rifts aren't spawning in the some zones on different servers, yet |
| 06:29.24 | Dagmar | The bluetext made it sound like it was going to be happening with great enough frequency and locations later that we wouldn't have to worry about it |
| 06:29.26 | Amarande | I actually cleared the Earth portal twice on my DK in WPL |
| 06:29.38 | Amarande | since I had to farm that much plaguebloom, sungrass and Arthas' Tears for my alchemist |
| 06:29.40 | Dagmar | I'd just like to actually SEE one phase of it through before hten |
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| 06:59.01 | Napoleone | hmm if i wanna set 3 vars to 1 number. can i local s1,s2,s3 = 0 or do i have to local s1,s2,s3 = 0 ,0,0 |
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| 07:03.09 | MentalPower|ZZzz | Napoleone: second |
| 07:03.38 | MentalPower|ZZzz | lua> local s1, s2, s3 = 0; print(s3) |
| 07:03.39 | lua_bot | MentalPower|ZZzz: nil |
| 07:04.30 | Napoleone | aah |
| 07:04.32 | Napoleone | thanks |
| 07:10.01 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_%28film%29 is not helping |
| 07:10.19 | Mirrormn | plot is intentionally vague |
| 07:10.30 | Napoleone | hehe |
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| 07:11.50 | Gnarfoz | I like my MKV powered copy that has the movie in both original and chronological order, using the same video material |
| 07:14.52 | Mirrormn | why would you want to watch it in chronological order -.- |
| 07:15.13 | Mirrormn | also, if you do, does the in-chronological-order black and white storyline go backwards? |
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| 07:17.19 | Dagmar | No, the protagonist is just obviously an asshole |
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| 07:21.48 | Napoleone | lua> print(12*5+5) |
| 07:21.48 | lua_bot | Napoleone: 65 |
| 07:21.57 | Napoleone | gd |
| 07:22.01 | Napoleone | hierachy works ;p |
| 07:22.21 | Shirik | I swear to god |
| 07:22.26 | Shirik | I need Cide |
| 07:22.33 | Shirik | my other SC2 partner is a pos |
| 07:22.34 | Napoleone | define need? ;P |
| 07:22.37 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 07:22.49 | Shirik | I honestly think he has a brain deficiency that prevents him from adapting |
| 07:22.55 | Shirik | I tell him what he does wrong and he continues to do it |
| 07:24.15 | Napoleone | gotta love deficiencies |
| 07:24.52 | Napoleone | without them games would actually be challenging ;P |
| 07:26.48 | Napoleone | anyone know if its possible to make models to add ingame? like lightning bubbles |
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| 07:33.05 | Torhal | Foof? |
| 07:35.42 | Amarande | F0 0F C7 C8? |
| 07:55.38 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:55.48 | Shirik | just came across a C# line that starts with text = (((((((((text + Conversions.ToString(Misc.LF)) + ";Reported by" +... |
| 07:56.11 | Napoleone | hope it ends properly lol |
| 07:57.00 | Shirik | It does apparently |
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| 08:07.42 | Fisker | i don't get it Shirik |
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| 08:08.50 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:08.51 | Fisker | my |
| 08:08.51 | Fisker | god |
| 08:08.58 | Torhal | kicks Fisker in the gonads with cleats. |
| 08:09.07 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 08:09.08 | Fisker | my god |
| 08:09.28 | Torhal | I are antigod! |
| 08:10.05 | Fisker | i only have to set permissions on like a billion million files Torhal |
| 08:10.06 | Fisker | HALP |
| 08:10.26 | Torhal | Fisker: Windows? |
| 08:10.42 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:11.34 | Torhal | Fisker: Good fucking luck. |
| 08:11.35 | Fisker | moo: hdd: C:\ 14.54GB/74.43GB D:\ 0B/0B F:\ 454.17GB/1.82TB I:\ 465GB/465.1GB |
| 08:11.43 | Fisker | not that hard Torhal :P |
| 08:11.47 | Fisker | but pretty annoying |
| 08:11.53 | Fisker | infact it's already done O_o |
| 08:12.17 | Torhal | Fisker: Then you should probably stop accepting donations. |
| 08:12.20 | Fisker | or was not |
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| 08:18.57 | Torhal | drops a hydrogen bomb on Fisker's neighbors. |
| 08:19.22 | Fisker | no u |
| 08:21.13 | Fisker | YEAH |
| 08:21.19 | Fisker | you can't stop me forever Torhal |
| 08:21.43 | Torhal | Just for forty-five minutes, Fisker. |
| 08:21.53 | Fisker | Successfully processed 513561 files; Failed processing 0 files |
| 08:23.06 | Torhal | Fisker: That's because those files refused to be processed. |
| 08:24.24 | Fisker | what files? |
| 08:28.51 | Fisker | moo: hdd: C:\ 14.51GB/74.43GB D:\ 2TB/2TB F:\ 454.17GB/1.82TB I:\ 465GB/465.1GB |
| 08:28.55 | Fisker | wat? |
| 08:29.42 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:29.44 | Fisker | not GPT :P |
| 08:30.04 | Fisker | moo: hdd: C:\ 14.5GB/74.43GB D:\ 3.64TB/3.64TB F:\ 454.17GB/1.82TB I:\ 465GB/465.1GB |
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| 08:31.36 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:31.39 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 08:31.46 | Fisker | you won't Shirik |
| 08:31.53 | Shirik | I will Fisker |
| 08:31.53 | Fisker | that would be mean ;_; |
| 08:31.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:32.23 | zenzelezz | decrements Fisker's reference count to 0 |
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| 08:32.53 | Fisker | don't you just hate it when your raid controllers can't remember a single serial number Shirik ? |
| 08:33.19 | Shirik | my raid controllers suck |
| 08:33.22 | Shirik | I need a new computer |
| 08:34.40 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:34.41 | Shirik | http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&dir=prev&offset=20101102124252&limit=7&type=newusers |
| 08:35.03 | Fisker | i might get a sandy bridge |
| 08:36.39 | Shirik | I might get a cookie |
| 08:37.43 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/4M9vH.png <-need moar :( |
| 08:40.16 | Shirik | you are seriously trying to copy 1.35TB? |
| 08:40.26 | Shirik | oh wait sorry |
| 08:40.32 | Shirik | your language is stupid |
| 08:40.34 | Shirik | 1,35TB |
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| 08:41.23 | Fisker | your language is stupid Shirik |
| 08:42.19 | Shirik | nou |
| 08:42.29 | Fisker | can barely play wow |
| 08:42.34 | Shirik | ã®ã |
| 08:42.40 | Shirik | ã®ãï¼ |
| 08:42.45 | Shirik | good |
| 08:42.51 | Shirik | less trolls in trade chat :3 |
| 08:43.42 | Fisker | i don't troll trade chat Shirik |
| 08:46.02 | Shirik | ok night |
| 08:48.45 | airtonix | Fisker, get a mac bra |
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| 08:52.03 | adys_ | dammit cide wru |
| 08:52.11 | adys_ | Shirik, you used qt before yeah? |
| 08:52.18 | Fisker | why would i airtonix ? |
| 08:52.28 | adys_ | Fisker, cuz you have iBoobs |
| 08:52.35 | airtonix | because your pc skills are saggy |
| 08:53.57 | Fisker | i made myself a little 5x5 house in minecraft airtonix |
| 08:54.09 | airtonix | ok |
| 08:59.35 | zenzelezz | reading Adam Savage's twitter can be amusing... first post: "12 hour shoot day, and now my hotel is ACTUALLY on fire. Nice." Second post: "I had NOTHING to do with the fire in my hotel. That would be a busman's holiday." |
| 09:08.33 | Jamash | NIGHT FOLKS |
| 09:08.38 | Jamash | DRIVE SAFELY |
| 09:14.23 | MoonWitch|Sleepi | alright |
| 09:14.30 | MoonWitch|Sleepi | lets go clean this house |
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| 10:24.53 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:25.08 | Napoleone | when naming whats legal to use... name_name2 is |
| 10:25.12 | Napoleone | other chars i can use? |
| 10:27.00 | wereHamster | b,c,d,f,g,h,i,... |
| 10:28.10 | Humbedooh | you can use: [a-zA-Z_]+[0-9]? |
| 10:28.14 | Humbedooh | ish |
| 10:28.28 | Humbedooh | mayhap replace the ? with a +, dunno |
| 10:28.41 | Napoleone | comma is a seperator ;P |
| 10:28.47 | Napoleone | for wereHamster |
| 10:29.02 | wereHamster | in a list it usually is |
| 10:29.05 | Napoleone | so - _ + |
| 10:30.10 | Humbedooh | so, a through z and _, and you may end it with an arbitrary number |
| 10:30.39 | Humbedooh | lua> a_b_c_d_e_f_g123456 = 10; |
| 10:30.39 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: No output |
| 10:30.54 | Humbedooh | lua> a_b_c_d_e_f_g123456 = 10; print(a_b_c_d_e_f_g123456) |
| 10:30.54 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 10 |
| 10:32.23 | Humbedooh | hmm actually, as long as you start with a letter or an underscore, you can mix letters and numbers as you like |
| 10:32.34 | Napoleone | ye |
| 10:32.37 | Humbedooh | lua> _123abc456def789 = 3; |
| 10:32.37 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: No output |
| 10:32.47 | Napoleone | i know that |
| 10:32.48 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 10:32.56 | Humbedooh | then why'd you ask? :\ |
| 10:33.07 | Napoleone | well if it was other than _ to use in naming |
| 10:33.23 | Napoleone | like _asdsds-asda-sd-d+d |
| 10:33.29 | Napoleone | f.ex ;P |
| 10:33.53 | wereHamster | - and + are not valid |
| 10:33.57 | wereHamster | those are operators |
| 10:34.10 | Napoleone | aah yeah |
| 10:34.15 | Napoleone | basic math operators ;P |
| 10:35.13 | Humbedooh | "Names (also called identifiers) in Lua can be any string of letters, digits, and underscores, not beginning with a digit." |
| 10:35.32 | Napoleone | ye |
| 10:35.34 | Napoleone | got it now |
| 10:35.37 | Napoleone | stuck with _ |
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| 10:36.53 | Humbedooh | why'd you need fancy characters anyway? ;o |
| 10:37.38 | Napoleone | pp_player_hpbar |
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| 10:37.48 | Napoleone | would like one more fancy to make it easier ;P |
| 10:37.55 | Napoleone | pp_player-hpbar |
| 10:38.06 | Humbedooh | ahem.. |
| 10:38.12 | Humbedooh | lua> pp_player-hpbar = 0 |
| 10:38.12 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: luabot:1: '=' expected near '-' |
| 10:38.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | anyone here quite household oriented? (as in doing shit around the house) |
| 10:38.18 | Napoleone | i know |
| 10:38.34 | wereHamster | Napoleone: you could add a metatable to pp_player and define the __sub operator on it, then you could use pp_player - hpbar |
| 10:38.35 | Napoleone | more like a fance one like right there |
| 10:38.43 | Humbedooh | MoonWitch|Mobile> depends... |
| 10:38.55 | Napoleone | MoonWitch|Cleani shoot |
| 10:39.17 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Humbedooh: in 2 days I had to unclog the kitchen sink twice ... tried the chemical stuff, tried mechanical .. did I miss an option somewhere? |
| 10:39.31 | Humbedooh | suction mayhap? |
| 10:39.46 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it smells like a septic tank when it bubbles after the .. how the heck is it called |
| 10:40.07 | Humbedooh | or maybe you should just call a plumber :p |
| 10:40.12 | Humbedooh | they have tools for that stuff |
| 10:40.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | http://www.boomingnews.nl/content/images/stories/ontstopper.jpg that |
| 10:40.28 | Humbedooh | plunger :) |
| 10:40.36 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i can temp get it ok with a plunger (thanks) |
| 10:40.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but after doing dishes (we rinse dishes in another sink now) it's clogged again |
| 10:41.03 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and it's pissing me off |
| 10:41.05 | Napoleone | hmm tried with that long metal band crap? |
| 10:41.07 | Humbedooh | what you'd need now is one of those metal wires that can rotate |
| 10:41.17 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yeah we don't have that |
| 10:41.28 | Humbedooh | but a plumber does! |
| 10:41.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but the pipes (yes even took apart those) under the cabinet are fine |
| 10:41.53 | Humbedooh | could be a blockage further down the line that's causing it |
| 10:41.55 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so crawl space is all where it can be stuck now :*( Since I am claustrophobic I think a plumber would be best) |
| 10:42.10 | jnwhiteh | are thre tourguide data files that help with Loremaster? |
| 10:42.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: been trying the same :P |
| 10:42.32 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch|Mobile: is it working? |
| 10:42.40 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I'm waiting for my steamiron to get hot enough now,, |
| 10:42.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well I don't know |
| 10:42.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I've never finished ALL zones with a character |
| 10:42.56 | MoonWitch|Mobile | am working on it though |
| 10:43.06 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so far only in Nagrand I missed some quests |
| 10:43.06 | Napoleone | would be nice with a guide... cant remember what I've done |
| 10:43.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (the outland and northrend zones got me the achievement for that area with tourguide) |
| 10:43.55 | MoonWitch|Mobile | my guildies used an addon, but I can't remember which one |
| 10:43.57 | Napoleone | mean vanilla area |
| 10:44.09 | MoonWitch|Mobile | the shitty part is that you have no way of knowing which quests are done :( |
| 10:44.31 | jnwhiteh | yes you do |
| 10:44.34 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:44.39 | jnwhiteh | the server gives you that info |
| 10:44.39 | Humbedooh | ofc you do |
| 10:44.40 | MoonWitch|Mobile | low level quests marker? |
| 10:44.44 | Humbedooh | there's API for it |
| 10:44.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | there is??? |
| 10:44.51 | Humbedooh | ye! |
| 10:44.53 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:45.01 | Napoleone | so an addon to spam all quest apis? |
| 10:45.02 | MoonWitch|Mobile | nice .. I have GOT to look into it |
| 10:45.27 | Humbedooh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/QueryQuestsCompleted |
| 10:45.52 | Humbedooh | should be loads of addons using that feature by now |
| 10:46.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | wow any addon using that with a table of all quests in game (other then being a huge table) is a behemoth |
| 10:46.53 | jnwhiteh | 100% the fastest ground mount? |
| 10:47.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | isn't loremaster being taken out come cata? |
| 10:47.36 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/everyquest/ does that fx |
| 10:47.43 | Napoleone | lol |
| 10:48.38 | MoonWitch|Mobile | thanks Humbedooh |
| 10:48.59 | Humbedooh | is thinking of making something stupid next week ;> |
| 10:49.49 | Humbedooh | aw heck, I shall register the addon name now and let people laugh it out before I start working on it :p |
| 10:51.37 | mikma | butts |
| 10:51.47 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol mikma |
| 10:52.04 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I HATE MY DAMN DOG |
| 10:52.13 | mikma | bbq it, it's delicious |
| 10:52.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I just cleaned the damn floors he walks in mud paws |
| 10:52.38 | Humbedooh | aaaw |
| 10:52.44 | Humbedooh | but he's just a goggie |
| 10:52.56 | Humbedooh | you know you can't stay mad at him :> |
| 10:54.39 | Computerpunk | Humbedooh, I could. |
| 10:54.40 | Computerpunk | :D |
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| 11:32.45 | zenzelezz | "An Error Occurred. [#10146] You do not have permission to use the search system." - well if you can't search without logging in, then why the hell do you even SHOW the search box for people who are not logged in? |
| 11:36.32 | haste | welcome to forums |
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| 11:37.45 | Napoleone | welcome to crap forums |
| 11:37.59 | Napoleone | welcome to forums without dynamicy, crap coding.. templateusing crap |
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| 11:39.46 | Stanzilla | that error sounds like IP.Board :p |
| 11:39.53 | olafski | many forums do that |
| 11:40.07 | haste | it probably is IPB |
| 11:40.13 | haste | vbulletin does the same afaik |
| 11:40.54 | olafski | oh wait the exact error is probably unique to some forum software, my mistake |
| 11:41.39 | haste | the exact error message is, but several forums expose the search box even if it's disabled for people who aren't logged in |
| 11:41.57 | olafski | yeah |
| 11:42.01 | olafski | as a teaser perhaps ;) |
| 11:42.31 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh haste -- did you see the change in furbish that fixes the right click? |
| 11:42.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | normally it would take 1 changed line and should be fine |
| 11:43.18 | haste | I quickly glared on it from my phone |
| 11:43.34 | haste | planning no doing something with it today |
| 11:43.49 | olafski | man I bet tomato juice is pretty healthy.. it certainly tastes healthy =( |
| 11:43.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i love tomatoe juice :) |
| 11:45.01 | MoonWitch|Mobile | in your code : line 61 to local addon = CreateFrame("Frame", "Furbish", SecureActionButtonTemplate) should do it |
| 11:45.23 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but it may give issues with BUFFS_PER_ROW and BUFFS_MAX_DISPLAY |
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| 11:45.42 | Humbedooh | went ahead and did something silly ;3 |
| 11:45.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Humbedooh: silly is good |
| 11:45.55 | MoonWitch|Mobile | share silly with us |
| 11:45.57 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsql/ :| |
| 11:46.10 | foxlit | burn in righteous fire! |
| 11:46.23 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.30 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I shall go approve silly |
| 11:47.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Kaelten will understand the silly |
| 11:47.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | for other projects - need to actually check em all before |
| 11:48.16 | Humbedooh | I've been using something quite similar to sql for some other mods, but never got around to making a library that's just pure data handling and no UI |
| 11:48.33 | foxlit | SQL in lua is lunacy |
| 11:48.43 | Humbedooh | indeed :p but it does have some uses |
| 11:48.47 | Humbedooh | combat log parsing fx |
| 11:48.56 | foxlit | Er. |
| 11:49.14 | foxlit | I could use a nuke to kill pidgeons? |
| 11:49.35 | Humbedooh | if I wanna group debuff ticks and then sort by number of applications total and username |
| 11:49.44 | Humbedooh | or some such |
| 11:50.30 | foxlit | *you* could do the same using Lua without a SQL parser :) |
| 11:50.57 | foxlit | And if you're suggesting that your users are going to write SQL queries, I'd like some of what you're smoking. :) |
| 11:51.04 | Humbedooh | yeah, but that'd be bothersome with the amount of data handling I have in some mods |
| 11:51.58 | Humbedooh | but ofc, it's not gonna be a huge behemoth of an rdbms with a gazillion data types and stored crap etc |
| 11:52.58 | Humbedooh | and yes, my medication is awesome |
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| 11:56.33 | olafski | the second bit of code doesn't entirely make sense to me.. but that could be my limited lua knowledge |
| 11:57.17 | olafski | if res is a table, shouldn't the print line be something like print(res[n].name, res[n].id) ? |
| 11:57.27 | foxlit | Humbedooh: tbh, though, you need a better API |
| 11:57.27 | foxlit | try |
| 11:57.43 | foxlit | for name, id in db:Execute("SELECT name, id FROM myTable") do |
| 11:57.59 | Napoleone | res["n"].name |
| 11:58.02 | Napoleone | maybe? |
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| 11:58.18 | foxlit | just [n]. But that's silly :) |
| 11:58.39 | Humbedooh | that'd work as well I s'pose, foxlit |
| 11:58.48 | foxlit | That'd work better :P |
| 11:59.13 | foxlit | Since you wouldn't have to write extra lines of boilerplate :P |
| 11:59.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | is going back to ironing |
| 12:00.29 | Deveyus | Hello all. |
| 12:00.34 | olafski | why do people attack sentinel hill.. is there some achievement for it? |
| 12:00.35 | Humbedooh | why hello there |
| 12:01.51 | Humbedooh | though...hmmm |
| 12:02.24 | Humbedooh | no, it should be res = db:Execute(stuff), and then you could maybe do for name, id in res:Fetch() do ... |
| 12:02.35 | Humbedooh | otherwise, you'd be left without a way to get the number of hits returned |
| 12:02.50 | Humbedooh | unless you'd wanna iterate through them all twice |
| 12:05.10 | Deveyus | If the conversation isn't terribly involved could I interrupt with a nubly question? |
| 12:05.21 | Humbedooh | why of course |
| 12:05.27 | Deveyus | I'm wanting to store the purchase price of a bunch of different items and was thinking the best way to do it would be a table of itemids as the keys and have the value be a table of prices, numbered so I can move them fifo, is there a better way to do that? |
| 12:05.44 | wereHamster | Deveyus: no |
| 12:06.24 | Humbedooh | well, depends on what you wanna do with that table |
| 12:06.42 | Humbedooh | if you want to sort it by anything else than item ID, then no, if not, then go for it |
| 12:07.53 | Deveyus | I need to create average purchase prices for each item ID and remove individual price entries when they no longer have the item. Creating an 'average value of owned X' basically. |
| 12:07.54 | Humbedooh | otherwise, you could add them like uhm... tinsert(pricelist, {id=itemid, prices={1,2,3,4,5}}); |
| 12:09.13 | Deveyus | Is a table setup like that going to be slowing? Trying to make sure I stay lightweight. |
| 12:10.05 | Deveyus | Let me reiterate that, 'as lightweight as I can, while still providing the functions I want' |
| 12:10.44 | Humbedooh | again, depends on what you plan to do with it :p |
| 12:11.16 | Humbedooh | you _could_ add a second lookup-table with item IDs as the key |
| 12:11.37 | foxlit | Deveyus: sec, what do you actually want to do. |
| 12:11.48 | Deveyus | All I need to be able to do is remove the oldest entries from the nested tables and add new ones, and keep track of which are newest/oldest |
| 12:11.57 | foxlit | Suppose I bought 5 Shadowmournes on the AH, priced 1g, 2g, 3g, 4g, 5g respectively |
| 12:12.03 | Deveyus | right. |
| 12:12.15 | foxlit | So my average shadowmourne price is (5+4+3+2+1)/5 |
| 12:12.32 | Napoleone | basically yes |
| 12:12.39 | foxlit | I then get rid of one of the shadowmournes. What is my new average price? [basically, do you kick out a specific item?] |
| 12:12.53 | Deveyus | FiFO: First in,First Out. |
| 12:12.53 | adys_ | it's bop foxlit. you can't buy a shadowmourne. |
| 12:13.08 | Napoleone | fox.. if you kick one out |
| 12:13.24 | Napoleone | then its all the prices added together divided by how many you bought |
| 12:13.25 | foxlit | So you're assuming that you sell the one you got for 1g first. |
| 12:13.31 | Deveyus | (High School Accounting Class was useful.... XD ) |
| 12:13.35 | Deveyus | Yes. |
| 12:14.04 | foxlit | This isn't necessarily the most practical approach. You could make things a lot simpler for yourself by just tracking the average price (and number of shadowmournes) |
| 12:14.35 | foxlit | In which case, your new average is the same as your old average, and you don't have to track individual purchase prices. |
| 12:16.19 | Deveyus | That won't give accurate numbers though unless I'm misunderstaning what you're saying. |
| 12:16.56 | foxlit | That'll give you /different/ numbers, but they're really every bit as valid as your previous plan. |
| 12:17.16 | Deveyus | Hm... |
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| 12:22.51 | Deveyus | I'm trying to keep track of the current value of the stock of something I've bought off the AH, but, failing to understand how those numbers would still be accurate (and how to calculate the new prices with your method.... my tests just keep coming up with really different numbers) |
| 12:23.37 | Humbedooh | maybe start off by using a spreadsheet? |
| 12:24.01 | Deveyus | I just switched from noting it in notepad to a spreadsheet while you were typing your response |
| 12:24.08 | Deveyus | XD |
| 12:25.13 | Humbedooh | you could use the gnomexcel addon fx ;> *cough* |
| 12:25.14 | olafski | deveyus: your method seems to be some rolling average while foxlits is a total average |
| 12:26.02 | Deveyus | Yeah, that's why I worry, it's for value of current stock, not historical average. |
| 12:27.15 | olafski | you could go with some arbitrary middle way.. take note of the average + how many items were counted in that average, then when you add a new item, include the old average but take it at X% weight (where X <100) |
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| 12:27.46 | Deveyus | Is the way I originally proposed bad in any way? |
| 12:27.54 | Deveyus | Is it ineffcient or anything? |
| 12:28.21 | olafski | I don't think I'm qualified to answer that +) |
| 12:28.25 | Deveyus | (I'm not that familiar with LUA, I don't know how well it handles tables, especially nested.) |
| 12:28.39 | olafski | but what if there are more than 5 of that item on the AH? would you not count some of them? |
| 12:29.04 | Deveyus | I'm only interested in what I currently have, not the AH prices themselves. |
| 12:29.13 | Deveyus | It's possible to have 0 value items(i.e. you farmed them.) |
| 12:29.21 | olafski | hrm |
| 12:29.34 | olafski | not sure I get what you're doing with this then :( |
| 12:29.37 | Deveyus | Currently my addon is watching the mailbox, taking items out, and inventorying them. |
| 12:30.17 | olafski | I thought the idea of this table was to keep track of the price of some item on the auction house? |
| 12:30.41 | Deveyus | To keep track of items bought -from- the auction house(presumably for resale) |
| 12:30.56 | olafski | ah, okay |
| 12:31.20 | olafski | hrm, I keep getting scratches on my right hand but I have no clue where they come from >_< |
| 12:31.20 | Deveyus | and generally manage inventory for my bank alt. |
| 12:32.30 | Deveyus | Hence, a rolling average of the prices of my stock is important. |
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| 12:33.39 | olafski | I see.. well my method could work for that but it might be a bit overcomplicated |
| 12:34.02 | olafski | it wouldn't exactly be a rolling average, just one that keeps old data but values newer data higher +) |
| 12:34.18 | Deveyus | I know I was dealing in 1000+ auctions a day so I need to make sure that the addon can handle large tables there. |
| 12:35.01 | olafski | I don't think tables of 1000 rows are particularly bad.. assuming you don't create them in OnUpdate or something =) |
| 12:35.44 | Deveyus | Well, that's just for example, it's quite possible someone could use it for a lot more. |
| 12:36.01 | wereHamster | Deveyus: you can easily create a fifo in lua. Just use table.insert(t) and table.remove(t, 1) |
| 12:37.09 | wereHamster | I'd use one table with the item id as the key, and the value being the fifo. Thne you can easiy add, remove prices and calculate the average |
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| 12:37.39 | Deveyus | So, exactly what I suggested in the first place? |
| 12:38.10 | Deveyus | [There is no sarcasm in the above remark,honest question.] |
| 12:38.15 | wereHamster | Deveyus: not quite |
| 12:38.29 | wereHamster | oh, right. exactly what you suggested |
| 12:38.34 | Deveyus | You wouldn't nest a table to hold the pricelist..? |
| 12:38.56 | foxlit | Look, ultimately, your data is peanut-sized. |
| 12:39.02 | Deveyus | Indeed. |
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| 12:39.31 | foxlit | So you could do whatever you wanted to. |
| 12:39.51 | foxlit | There's nothing particularly bad about a structure like {[1234]={1,2,3,4}, [5678]={5,6,78,8}} |
| 12:39.53 | wereHamster | data = {}; data[itemId] = data[itemId] or {}; data[itemId]:insert(price); data[itemId]:remove(1) etc.. |
| 12:40.07 | olafski | would the nested table have to be numbered? I had the feeling you'd be doing something like { "1" => 500g, "2" => 300g } so you could remove an item and have it be { "2" => 300g } |
| 12:40.18 | foxlit | (you can't use :insert and :remove that way. Tables don't have a default table metatable) |
| 12:40.28 | wereHamster | foxlit: bah :( |
| 12:40.30 | Deveyus | I just plan for scaleability is all. |
| 12:40.33 | olafski | i.e. I thought that's what your initial suggestion was deveyus =) |
| 12:41.10 | Deveyus | I was thinking items = {itemid = {ID, Price}} |
| 12:42.04 | foxlit | what's the second id? |
| 12:42.33 | olafski | that's what I was getting at =) |
| 12:42.43 | Deveyus | The order they're bought in, so I can removethe lowest number ID and increment all future ones. |
| 12:42.56 | olafski | decrement? :) |
| 12:43.08 | Deveyus | increment. |
| 12:43.12 | olafski | mkay |
| 12:43.33 | olafski | so apparently t.remove(1) will just remove the first and move the rest down a spot as it were |
| 12:43.54 | Deveyus | so it's be items = {0000 = {0, 10000}, {1, 20000}, {2, 300000}} etc |
| 12:44.08 | adys_ | Fisker, would you stop disagreeing with me when I'm agreeing with you? |
| 12:46.01 | Deveyus | Then I'd remove the lowest ID, andrecalculateaverages when an item is removed fromstock, and I'd fetch the highest ID and increment it then add that new ID and the value to the table to add stock. |
| 12:46.30 | Fisker | i wish adys_ ? |
| 12:47.12 | adys_ | Wish more |
| 12:47.20 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 12:47.31 | olafski | this sounds like it could be much easier the way foxlit described, deveyus |
| 12:48.00 | Deveyus | But it doesn't provide the proper rolling average that way. |
| 12:48.10 | olafski | yes it does |
| 12:48.21 | olafski | it does exactly the same only without those IDs that make things complicated |
| 12:48.39 | Fisker | testdisk didn't work for me adys_ |
| 12:48.42 | Fisker | so linux sucks |
| 12:48.50 | Fisker | also |
| 12:49.16 | adys_ | also what? |
| 12:49.34 | Fisker | Having your soda stand outside makes it cold this time of year :o |
| 12:49.44 | adys_ | Not here. :( |
| 12:50.58 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/JIFXz.png <-i hate Intel adys_ |
| 12:51.15 | wereHamster | Deveyus: that second ID is not needed. |
| 12:51.22 | Deveyus | It isn't? |
| 12:51.33 | wereHamster | Deveyus: lua doesn't have 'lists'. It emulates a list using a table |
| 12:51.49 | adys_ | Fisker, that's not a cpu issue, it's motherboard if anything |
| 12:51.58 | wereHamster | if you treat a table ({}) as a list you automatically get integer keys for the items in the list |
| 12:52.07 | Deveyus | oh! |
| 12:52.11 | Fisker | haha |
| 12:52.11 | Deveyus | Well that helps. |
| 12:52.24 | olafski | as I said :( |
| 12:52.28 | Fisker | http://i1011.hizliresim.com/2010/11/7/578.jpg <-fuck point rendering |
| 12:52.35 | Fisker | adys_ it's an intel raid controller :P |
| 12:52.37 | Fisker | but yeah |
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| 12:52.40 | Fisker | it happened after a bios upgrade |
| 12:52.43 | olafski | then it'd just be :remove(1), :insert(newValue), calculate new average =) |
| 12:52.48 | wereHamster | Deveyus: so actually {6,2,8,9} is the same as {[1]=6,[2]=2,[3]=8,[4]=9} |
| 12:52.54 | Fisker | But it's still annoying you can't just go "Hey my raid drive is here" |
| 12:53.10 | adys_ | Fisker, unlimited detail? or some other? |
| 12:53.36 | adys_ | also, Fisker, be nice with intel, if you start hating on their non-driver-powered hardware, they don't have anything left. |
| 12:53.40 | Deveyus | Ok,that elxplantion helps a lot Hamster. |
| 12:53.53 | wereHamster | *were*Hamster |
| 12:54.03 | wereHamster | also, PIL ftw! |
| 12:54.04 | Fisker | it's nvidia using tessellation to create an unlimited city landscape |
| 12:54.16 | adys_ | that sounds retarded |
| 12:54.50 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:54.58 | adys_ | http://unlimiteddetailtechnology.com/ man they still have a shitty website |
| 12:55.30 | Deveyus | So, then items = {itemid = {1000, 2000, 3000}} |
| 12:55.41 | MoonWitch|Cleani | adys I so wish I could unsee that :( |
| 12:56.02 | wereHamster | Deveyus: yes. Just like foxlit said earlier |
| 12:56.03 | adys_ | google for myspace, you'll unsee it soon enough |
| 12:56.08 | MoonWitch|Cleani | no |
| 12:56.10 | Deveyus | >.> |
| 12:56.14 | MoonWitch|Cleani | I am NOT going MySpace |
| 12:56.30 | MoonWitch|Cleani | I had one though -- like 5 yrs ago under peer pressure |
| 12:56.43 | Deveyus | Stupid question time: How do I reach that nested table then? |
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| 12:57.08 | MoonWitch|Cleani | anyhow -- back to watching Sanctuary |
| 12:57.13 | olafski | wow that website is horrible adys_ :P |
| 12:57.28 | olafski | they're showing off some graphics technology yet their pictures lack readable captions |
| 12:58.02 | olafski | deveyus: data[itemId] |
| 12:59.24 | Deveyus | So ifI wanted to take off the first price entry for something it's items[itemid].remove(1) ? That seems really easy. |
| 12:59.30 | wereHamster | Deveyus: yes |
| 12:59.39 | wereHamster | lua is easy (in case you didn't figure that out yet) |
| 12:59.48 | olafski | I think foxlit wrote items[itemid]:remove(1), not sure if that's the same but it seems to be the gist of it :) |
| 12:59.50 | Deveyus | ....This is were I go sit in the other room and complain about other languages now. |
| 12:59.58 | wereHamster | olafski: that apparently doesn't work |
| 13:00.12 | wereHamster | you need to use table.remove(items[itemId], 1) |
| 13:00.38 | Deveyus | And it's 1-based, not 0-based? So the first entry is 1, not 0? |
| 13:00.44 | wereHamster | correct |
| 13:01.10 | wereHamster | again.. PIL |
| 13:01.23 | wereHamster | it's useful. Really |
| 13:01.56 | Fisker | yay |
| 13:01.57 | Fisker | 7 minutes |
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| 13:03.29 | Deveyus | I tried to read it before, but...Iguess I was over-complicating it... |
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| 13:05.03 | MoonWitch|Cleani | why do I bother cooking a dish for me, when I only eat 2 or 3 spoons |
| 13:06.18 | cbreak | because you do not have resizable pans? |
| 13:06.23 | industrial | why do you only eat 2 or 3 spoons when you cooked |
| 13:06.30 | industrial | a whole dish for you? |
| 13:06.37 | industrial | (damn you, enter) |
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| 13:11.01 | olafski | there does seem to be something wrong with that planning |
| 13:11.12 | olafski | but given that you can only control one of those factors I'd say.. make less food =) |
| 13:15.43 | MoonWitch|Cleani | industrial: my stomach is 200ml |
| 13:16.10 | MoonWitch|Cleani | olafski: yeah but then it seems so useless to bother turning on a stove to cook said meal |
| 13:16.23 | MoonWitch|Cleani | it's one of the annoying after-effects of the surgery |
| 13:16.49 | industrial | :o |
| 13:16.50 | MoonWitch|Cleani | I dont get hungry... I just get dizzy and cold - that's when I have got to eat :P |
| 13:17.47 | olafski | hm |
| 13:17.52 | olafski | make a full meal then freeze most of it? :) |
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| 13:22.02 | nevcairiel | when i cook, it lasts for 2 days at least, too. Cooking just for one person is kinda weird, so it always ends up being enough for 2 :P |
| 13:22.21 | Wobin | I just cook for the week =P |
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| 13:22.29 | Wobin | then eat it in varying different ways |
| 13:22.47 | Wobin | and freeze a portion |
| 13:22.53 | Wobin | for later variety |
| 13:24.53 | Wobin | MGM filed for bankruptcy? |
| 13:24.54 | Wobin | wow |
| 13:25.03 | industrial | :o |
| 13:25.06 | industrial | orly |
| 13:26.02 | Humbedooh | it's just a chapter 11 bankruptcy, no big whoop |
| 13:26.11 | Wobin | It's filing for bankruptcy, but that's not stopping them making money on the James Bond or Hobbit movie =P |
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| 13:27.07 | Humbedooh | ofc not, it's just chp. 11 :p |
| 13:27.18 | Humbedooh | just means they can't pay people, doesn't mean they ain't earning loads ;> |
| 13:27.35 | Humbedooh | they're just uhm...spending moar :> |
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| 13:28.45 | olafski | shouldn't have dropped james bond wobin |
| 13:28.57 | Wobin | ? |
| 13:29.04 | Wobin | who dropped james bond? |
| 13:29.08 | olafski | didn't they announce last year that they would not make more james bond movies? |
| 13:29.30 | Wobin | possibly the last with Daniel Craig |
| 13:29.38 | olafski | no, more final than that |
| 13:29.49 | Wobin | the author who's writing the books is modernising Mr Bond |
| 13:30.11 | olafski | oh they came back to that |
| 13:30.27 | industrial | I saw RED the other day, pretty funny movie. I like that they made it half-comedy. |
| 13:30.28 | olafski | ond 23 was suspended indefinitely because of MGM's financial troubles, however it has been confirmed that its lenders have agreed to extend the company's debt repayment period until 29 October 2010. On November 4, 2010 Bond 23 was in a reorganization plan by MGM and has been given a release date in November 2012. |
| 13:31.00 | Wobin | I liked RED |
| 13:31.08 | Wobin | in that it in no way took itself seriously |
| 13:31.10 | olafski | what's RED :$ |
| 13:31.32 | olafski | I'm thinking resident evil something :< |
| 13:31.38 | Wobin | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245526/ |
| 13:31.55 | industrial | Wobin: yea |
| 13:32.29 | industrial | I loved the car stairs thing, I want one. |
| 13:32.57 | olafski | sounds fun |
| 13:33.37 | Wobin | was pretty amusing, yeah =) |
| 13:35.06 | olafski | 205 mining.. *off to un'goro goes* |
| 13:35.46 | industrial | think I'm just gunna go and grab my bike and cycle .. out of boredom |
| 13:35.59 | olafski | :< |
| 13:36.00 | industrial | last time I accidentally took a wrong turn and ended up cycling 50km, lmao xD |
| 13:36.02 | Thunder_Child | mutters about stupid DST |
| 13:36.14 | Wobin | DST is old news |
| 13:36.23 | Wobin | we had it ages ago, try to keep up! |
| 13:36.27 | Thunder_Child | well i just woke up |
| 13:36.32 | Thunder_Child | an hour early |
| 13:36.36 | Thunder_Child | so meh |
| 13:36.43 | Wobin | go back to sleep? |
| 13:36.53 | Thunder_Child | not worth it |
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| 13:38.32 | industrial | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/11/07/1238235/Researchers-Race-To-Recover-Radioactive-Rabbits |
| 13:38.35 | industrial | nice title |
| 13:41.30 | olafski | indeed |
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| 13:47.42 | Napoleone | hmm where can i find the powertype colors? |
| 13:47.45 | Napoleone | not in constants |
| 13:48.22 | taroven | PowerBarColor[powerType] |
| 13:49.01 | taroven | Not sure for stuff outside that list, but it gives the common stuff. |
| 13:49.03 | Napoleone | ty |
| 13:49.13 | Napoleone | where did you find the list? |
| 13:49.22 | Napoleone | wanna see if it actually goes up to the right amount ;P |
| 13:49.51 | taroven | Can't remember where I found it in the first place, but I've been using it without problems in two addons for a long time. |
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| 13:50.36 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 13:52.31 | Napoleone | why is it easier to make unitframes now then it was ½ year ago lol |
| 13:52.37 | Napoleone | dam learning brain lol |
| 13:52.44 | Napoleone | i get stuff right in the first getgo |
| 13:52.57 | msoul | Jerub: you there |
| 13:56.46 | Tuller | making just the unitframe part may be potentially easier now, but there's all sorts of other class specific parts now :P |
| 13:57.42 | Napoleone | no shit ;P |
| 13:57.53 | Napoleone | holy power, runes, eclipse |
| 13:58.30 | Napoleone | anyone know if its possible to get som custom models as a part of the addon? |
| 13:58.54 | olafski | soul shards too btw ;) |
| 13:59.03 | Napoleone | forgot that one ;P |
| 13:59.20 | olafski | I thought they were going to make those replenish slowly when out of combat.. now I have to do that stupid channeling spell all the time |
| 13:59.32 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 13:59.37 | Napoleone | can also just drain soul ;P |
| 13:59.47 | olafski | does that still give soul shards? :S |
| 13:59.51 | msoul | olafski: do one before fight! |
| 13:59.54 | Napoleone | when target dies you get 3 |
| 14:00.01 | msoul | i.e. free soul fire |
| 14:00.15 | msoul | Napoleone: within xx secs though |
| 14:00.25 | Napoleone | well just pop before target dies. |
| 14:01.01 | msoul | can't see any benifit from it for boss fights "though shadowburn does hit hard" |
| 14:01.04 | olafski | really? but that means you can get them in combat |
| 14:01.08 | Napoleone | ye |
| 14:01.10 | msoul | aye |
| 14:01.18 | Napoleone | i dont play a lock even ;p and i know |
| 14:01.20 | olafski | I thought they were going to do it so that you can only gain them while not in combat |
| 14:01.30 | msoul | you can but |
| 14:01.36 | msoul | 1- use shadowburn |
| 14:01.43 | msoul | 2- if the boss dies within xx secs |
| 14:01.50 | msoul | else you wouldn't |
| 14:01.54 | msoul | get themm |
| 14:02.03 | Napoleone | but drain soul is not soul dependant |
| 14:02.15 | Napoleone | just that target dies while channeling |
| 14:02.15 | olafski | hm I really haven't looked at this enough |
| 14:02.34 | msoul | try and do it in a duneon |
| 14:02.48 | olafski | will do |
| 14:02.53 | olafski | as soon as I hit 300 mining ;p |
| 14:03.04 | msoul | oh man don't remind me |
| 14:03.11 | msoul | did max herbalism in a day recently |
| 14:03.15 | msoul | on my latest alt "mage" |
| 14:03.27 | msoul | maxed insc from AH and thought I should get herb before cata |
| 14:03.38 | msoul | so now have all professions excluding tailoring "never liked it" |
| 14:03.46 | Napoleone | i got tailoring aswell |
| 14:03.55 | Napoleone | decent moneymaker on my server |
| 14:04.07 | msoul | Engi = Best casters profession in cata :-) |
| 14:04.22 | Napoleone | lol |
| 14:04.23 | olafski | I have all professions I think |
| 14:04.28 | olafski | but figured I should have a herb/miner before cata |
| 14:04.34 | msoul | just waiting to max insc in cata then drop herb for engi on mage as well |
| 14:04.39 | msoul | on lock I have engi/enchanting |
| 14:04.42 | Napoleone | i'm still lvling my warrs herbalism |
| 14:04.59 | msoul | would take a day if you dedicate that day for it |
| 14:05.00 | olafski | hm maybe I was a bit too low to go to ungoro :( |
| 14:05.02 | msoul | from 0 to 450 |
| 14:05.27 | msoul | you know I am low on gold even :/ |
| 14:05.38 | msoul | had to buy artisan skill when I was lvling herbalism |
| 14:05.50 | msoul | cause an allie went right infront mf me that day and hated it |
| 14:05.57 | msoul | so teleport to dala buy artisan then continued :P |
| 14:06.03 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:06.30 | olafski | 19k here.. though I'll have to get epic flying on my shaman once I hit 300 mining |
| 14:06.46 | msoul | olafski: 10k now.. did max orofessions from ah |
| 14:06.57 | msoul | i.e. enchanting/some engi and insc |
| 14:07.03 | msoul | not going to mention BS/JC/alchemy etc etc |
| 14:07.14 | msoul | but the one that did hurt me on gold was enchanting |
| 14:07.26 | msoul | insc took around 2500 give or take |
| 14:07.29 | olafski | I'm going to wait a bit with professions in cata |
| 14:07.40 | olafski | just sell everything I gather at first =) |
| 14:07.56 | msoul | I don't know why but I am lazy when it coems to AH :/ |
| 14:08.27 | msoul | I can't decide which class I should play in cata |
| 14:08.40 | olafski | :) |
| 14:08.40 | msoul | I love my lock, and a mage is a fun class ti play too |
| 14:08.51 | olafski | I've decided that.. not sure if I'm going to quest or do archaeology first though |
| 14:08.56 | msoul | war/pala/dk would be on hold |
| 14:09.16 | olafski | I never really liked pure dps classes |
| 14:09.25 | olafski | all my hybrids are either tank or healer |
| 14:09.28 | msoul | was tank for a while |
| 14:09.43 | msoul | and got tired of it |
| 14:09.49 | A-KO | I do wonder why Blizzard is making these combat res changes and whatnot. It's kind of dumb. One thing I was really hoping was a restoration to the previous potion days :( |
| 14:09.53 | msoul | as a melee classes war/dk/pala |
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| 14:09.57 | msoul | enjoyed playing as fury most |
| 14:10.15 | olafski | I've been healer up to the end of BWL, tank ever since |
| 14:10.17 | msoul | A-KO: you get 3 combat ress in 25 environment |
| 14:10.22 | Mikk | 1 combatres per 10man fight is a bit lol yeah |
| 14:10.26 | msoul | 1 in 10 so you have nothing to complain about to be honest |
| 14:10.34 | Mikk | one silly shaman dying and selfrezzing = byebye smart rezzing |
| 14:10.45 | olafski | so.. deal with that? |
| 14:10.57 | Mikk | i obviously will have to |
| 14:11.05 | Mikk | i just don't see WHY i have to |
| 14:11.29 | olafski | shaman self rezzes don't count by the way, do they? |
| 14:11.37 | A-KO | It's admirable to force players to play better and more intelligently, but even the best guilds of the vanilla days used "OOC" resses to their mechanics benefits :P |
| 14:11.38 | olafski | I thought it was just soulstone and rebirth |
| 14:11.55 | olafski | a-ko: sure, the best guilds use any mechanic available |
| 14:12.01 | olafski | as soon as that mechanic isn't available anymore, they adapt |
| 14:12.07 | msoul | yeah olafski same here |
| 14:12.27 | A-KO | Eh, What I'm saying is, sometimes it's difficult to just avoid death for some people. Particularly when it comes to add fights, separation, etc. |
| 14:12.31 | Mikk | it just strikes me as a silly limitation |
| 14:12.33 | A-KO | Healers can't be in every place at once. |
| 14:12.45 | Mikk | when we're already limited by cooldowns and available classes |
| 14:12.45 | olafski | yet people still get undying and such |
| 14:12.59 | msoul | Mikk you know you have all the info about the fight before hand |
| 14:13.05 | msoul | is not like lets try and see what this boss do |
| 14:13.08 | A-KO | olafski: Usually only after the next tier of content comes out--it's *rare* for a group to get undying on the current content tier. |
| 14:13.11 | Mikk | of course.. and the same people might still need rezzes another day |
| 14:13.22 | Mikk | they don't get undying every week |
| 14:13.50 | olafski | of course, I'm just saying most deaths _are_ avoidable |
| 14:13.56 | A-KO | Not always |
| 14:13.59 | olafski | maybe we'll just have to be more careful from now on :) |
| 14:14.01 | A-KO | Sometimes shit happens in a fight with timing |
| 14:14.28 | Mikk | "shit happens" is basically what it boils down to |
| 14:14.33 | olafski | you wouldn't spam flash heal in cata and then go "omg why do I run out of mana, this used to work" will you? :< |
| 14:14.34 | Mikk | and combat rezzes are a tool against that |
| 14:14.57 | nevcairiel | Mikk: they just dont want you to stack those classes to be able to deal with more "shit happens" then raids with less druids |
| 14:15.12 | A-KO | even if all of your players are executing relatively decently, tanks are picking up adds, etc....you still wind up with weird timings of mechanics that can cause deaths. If the fights were a bit more predictable it'd be easier, but then that just makes the fight easier in my eyes. |
| 14:15.17 | Mikk | i also think it's amusing that noone expects warlocks to soulstone anymore =) |
| 14:15.21 | olafski | guys we need more druids, else we can't pass this fight |
| 14:15.34 | nevcairiel | They said that soulstones might be changed to allow to be cast on a dead guy |
| 14:15.45 | nevcairiel | Also, it was not clarified yet if ankh counts |
| 14:16.08 | A-KO | It's all just stupid mechanic limitations that kind of diminish the original mechanic intents. They did this with potions in WOTLK. |
| 14:16.12 | A-KO | And it was prett ydumb |
| 14:16.33 | A-KO | design the fights around the idea that people might be popping them a lot, or should be. |
| 14:17.06 | olafski | nevcairiel: I think my gf's guild found out that ankhs don't count.. not sure though :P |
| 14:17.24 | olafski | why? |
| 14:17.31 | olafski | so you have to buy stacks of potions for every raid? |
| 14:17.43 | A-KO | considering that people getting 200K+ gold isn't all that uncommon these days |
| 14:17.46 | A-KO | I don't see why not |
| 14:17.50 | msoul | olafski: you don't do thaty in raids? |
| 14:18.04 | olafski | I don't do what? |
| 14:18.09 | A-KO | 4 or 5K gold for 310% flying is laughable |
| 14:18.21 | msoul | olafski: buy potions/food etc for raids |
| 14:18.28 | olafski | I don't even raid anymore :P |
| 14:18.30 | nevcairiel | the time when you chain-popped potions it was kinda silly. If you drink the on cd anyway, could as well just remove them completly |
| 14:18.32 | msoul | oh |
| 14:18.42 | olafski | having to stock up on reagents etc just seems like an arbitrary thing to do anyway |
| 14:19.00 | A-KO | nevcairiel: Well, the point isn't necessarily regarding the mechanics, but more regarding the economy of the game. |
| 14:19.06 | Mikk | indeed |
| 14:19.07 | msoul | olafski: same here but when I did the guild asked me to play as a dk I have always with me potion of speed/food for my pet food for me etc :P |
| 14:19.11 | Mikk | if they thought potions were too expensive |
| 14:19.11 | olafski | so.. you want alchemists to feel better? |
| 14:19.15 | Mikk | just spawn more herb nodes |
| 14:19.25 | A-KO | They've ripped out a LOT of shit surroudning people losing money in the game |
| 14:19.30 | olafski | msoul: sure, I also had them on me at all tiems |
| 14:19.31 | olafski | times* |
| 14:19.33 | A-KO | so now everyone will have like thousands and thousands of gold |
| 14:19.36 | A-KO | and little to spend it on |
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| 14:19.45 | msoul | olafski: yeah I bet :P |
| 14:19.49 | olafski | but I really don't mind that we don't have to get 4 stacks of potions a night anymore |
| 14:19.54 | A-KO | don't need to buy reagents, no potions, maybe some flasks or something. |
| 14:20.17 | A-KO | usually any competent guild has that one girl that sits at home all day and farms mats for feasts |
| 14:20.17 | Mikk | take out equipment repairs too why dont they |
| 14:20.19 | olafski | msoul: in vanilla my guild paid for my reagents.. in wotlk I bought my own, but I still think all this shit can go |
| 14:20.19 | Mikk | it's "not fun" |
| 14:20.23 | A-KO | yeah Mikk, eactly. |
| 14:20.24 | msoul | won't be spending a dime on mats anymore |
| 14:20.25 | A-KO | why repair at all? |
| 14:20.30 | msoul | can farm them myself before raids |
| 14:20.52 | msoul | trying to find a decent realm now and guild |
| 14:20.58 | msoul | will be a pain to move my chars |
| 14:20.59 | foxlit | Hey, this is entirely fine. |
| 14:21.00 | olafski | me too :P |
| 14:21.08 | olafski | well, just a decent guild :P |
| 14:21.11 | foxlit | What they've just done is rolled the reagent costs into the repair costs |
| 14:21.14 | nevcairiel | Your "point" is kidna pointless. You want to be forced to spend money, just because? |
| 14:21.25 | A-KO | foxlit: did they increase the costs of repairing? |
| 14:21.27 | foxlit | So rather than have to buy some pointless item taking up place in your bags, you just pay your repair bill. |
| 14:21.28 | Mikk | Because playing badly should have penalties |
| 14:21.36 | A-KO | Not really |
| 14:21.40 | Mikk | Otherwise there's no reward to playing good |
| 14:21.41 | nevcairiel | Mikk: players that play badly don't drink potions |
| 14:21.45 | Mikk | And humans like rewards |
| 14:21.54 | A-KO | The guild bank gets gold as you do stuff in the game now, and you can repair on guild bank money |
| 14:22.07 | Mikk | Errr yeah |
| 14:22.13 | Mikk | 5% / 10% of what you loot |
| 14:22.15 | A-KO | nope |
| 14:22.17 | Mikk | if you had money problems before |
| 14:22.19 | Mikk | you still have it |
| 14:22.20 | A-KO | it's an *extra* 5% or whatever |
| 14:22.24 | Mikk | yeah whichever |
| 14:22.34 | A-KO | yeah but that has huge differences :P |
| 14:22.41 | nevcairiel | looted money isnt really that much |
| 14:22.45 | A-KO | 5% subtracted from your earnings for the guild, versus 5% extra for the guild. |
| 14:22.47 | A-KO | Huge difference |
| 14:22.49 | foxlit | My point is that this thing is entirely balancable just by tuning the repair multiplier. |
| 14:22.51 | Mikk | yeah yeah i know how it works |
| 14:22.58 | A-KO | foxlit: they could, sure. |
| 14:23.07 | A-KO | foxlit: But I have seen no evidence that they intend to do that. |
| 14:23.09 | Mikk | i'm just saying.. those 5/10% extra aren't going to cure money problems |
| 14:23.13 | olafski | 5%.. a huge difference indeed :P |
| 14:23.26 | foxlit | And that 5% is counterbalanced by the amount of gold the monsters drop |
| 14:23.30 | Mikk | if your guild is a bunch of slackers that likes sitting around poking their bellybuttons |
| 14:23.32 | Mikk | and raid |
| 14:23.34 | Mikk | and nothing else |
| 14:23.40 | Mikk | your guildbank still wont get money for repairs |
| 14:23.48 | foxlit | Want to introduce a +5% guild gold multiplier? Just make the expansion mobs drop less gold by default. |
| 14:23.49 | A-KO | 10% of money earned--questing, dailies, mob drops |
| 14:24.16 | A-KO | oh |
| 14:24.19 | A-KO | just says loot $ |
| 14:24.20 | A-KO | interesting |
| 14:24.24 | A-KO | I thought it encompassed all earnings |
| 14:24.27 | A-KO | I suspect it will in time :P |
| 14:24.36 | A-KO | oh look at that |
| 14:24.38 | A-KO | Reinforce |
| 14:24.42 | A-KO | items take 5% less durability loss |
| 14:24.51 | foxlit | 5% of 10% is? |
| 14:24.52 | A-KO | rank 2, 10% durability reduced |
| 14:25.05 | nevcairiel | 5% isnt much, thats like, half a wipe more until you're completly red |
| 14:25.23 | olafski | 5% is a huge difference |
| 14:25.28 | nevcairiel | no, its not |
| 14:25.34 | nevcairiel | also, like Mikk said, people like rewards |
| 14:25.47 | A-KO | In the game as a whole, it's a massive difference in money flow. |
| 14:25.56 | A-KO | Individually, means nothing. |
| 14:26.01 | A-KO | But for an entire Tuesday night of raiding |
| 14:26.07 | olafski | meh |
| 14:26.18 | foxlit | They did change durability on items, A-KO |
| 14:26.19 | nevcairiel | I still dont see why you care |
| 14:26.22 | nevcairiel | so you get more gold |
| 14:26.25 | nevcairiel | =good? |
| 14:26.25 | foxlit | So technically repair bills went up :) |
| 14:26.34 | olafski | as foxlit said, you're either carrying useless items or just spending money on repairs.. this is why I say having to buy candles/symbols/ankhs/seeds is useless |
| 14:27.23 | A-KO | nevcairiel: Because I tkae into consideration WoW's overall economy and the health of that system as a primary aspect of the game. The difficult part about it is that the economy itself almost never adjusts for the increases in money that people have. |
| 14:27.50 | foxlit | The spell reagents were bad from a gameplay standpoint -- so it's nice that they're gone. |
| 14:27.50 | olafski | do most guilds usually allow guild bank repairs nowadays? I've never been in one that does.. afaik guild money is for purchasing big stuff that individuals can't purchase quickly.. like primo. saronite |
| 14:27.53 | A-KO | For an example here, the "flagship ore" in WOTLK (Saronite) sold for less than the "flagship ore" of TBC did, across the 3 servers I had seen it with. |
| 14:28.14 | A-KO | Even though people had *more* money in WOTLK |
| 14:28.26 | foxlit | A-KO: That seems like a good thing. Why do you hate good things? |
| 14:28.44 | A-KO | foxlit: It's actually not, it's a bad thing. :P |
| 14:28.53 | nevcairiel | There is alot of people that don't even raid |
| 14:29.00 | nevcairiel | any of these changes don't hit them |
| 14:29.04 | nevcairiel | people like gathering money |
| 14:29.10 | Mikk | saronite ore sells for less than the vendorprice of saronite bars (after smelting) |
| 14:29.16 | Mikk | it's a bit silly =) |
| 14:29.22 | nevcairiel | so yes, the whole system is going through inflation, but nothing can ever stop that |
| 14:29.24 | foxlit | Seems to me like making crafting materials cheap is nice. |
| 14:29.33 | foxlit | Especially *base* crafting materials. |
| 14:29.36 | A-KO | Mikk: I haven't checked recently, but on my old realm, Adamantite Ores were selling for 30g/stack, while Saronite was 20-25g/stack. |
| 14:29.39 | A-KO | It makes no sense |
| 14:29.45 | foxlit | Demand. |
| 14:29.53 | foxlit | How many people can be arsed to farm ore in outland? |
| 14:29.53 | nevcairiel | because nooone farmes ada? |
| 14:29.59 | Mikk | ^ |
| 14:30.05 | A-KO | I'm talking at their respective times of demand |
| 14:30.07 | foxlit | As opposed to how many people randomly encounter saronite in Northrend? |
| 14:30.14 | A-KO | I'm not talking at the same time |
| 14:30.17 | A-KO | I'm talking, at the heydey of TBC |
| 14:30.19 | Mikk | fwiw saronite ore sells for like 12g/stack on my realm |
| 14:30.20 | A-KO | versus WOTLK |
| 14:30.20 | nevcairiel | thats a brioken comparison |
| 14:30.24 | A-KO | no, it's not |
| 14:30.27 | Mikk | yes it is |
| 14:30.29 | foxlit | Fine. In that case, it's even less meaningful |
| 14:30.37 | foxlit | You're comparing apples to oranges since the ores aren't used in the same fashion. |
| 14:30.44 | Mikk | + inflation |
| 14:30.51 | Mikk | we get more money from mobs & quests now |
| 14:30.58 | foxlit | Are all the recipes people use the ore for the same? |
| 14:31.05 | foxlit | Is the number of spawn locations the same? |
| 14:31.13 | foxlit | Is the relative popularity of mining/blacksmithing the same? |
| 14:31.33 | A-KO | You assume that the lawso f supply and demand control the WOW pricing market |
| 14:31.36 | A-KO | they do not :P |
| 14:31.56 | olafski | I'm quite convinced that they do |
| 14:32.06 | nevcairiel | if the normal laws dont apply, how do you think you can make any kind of judgement yoruself? |
| 14:32.30 | A-KO | More often than not it doesn't because not enough people are invested (for many obvious reasons) in earning enough money as possible, and instead will sell things as long as they make a profit over the vendor price. |
| 14:32.54 | olafski | isn't that how supply/demand works? |
| 14:33.06 | A-KO | I could, if I had enough gold, one day buy up an entire market, and start selling ores at say, 50g/stack. Eventualy, people would get used to it. |
| 14:33.12 | A-KO | And that would be the new normal price |
| 14:33.21 | nevcairiel | some people do that |
| 14:33.22 | A-KO | That's EXTREMELY difficult to do in a real world economy :P |
| 14:33.23 | olafski | if I want to sell my house I could sell it at 200k and wait 6 months to sell it, or at 180k and sell it now |
| 14:33.36 | foxlit | That's EXTREMELY difficult to do in WoW, too. |
| 14:33.37 | olafski | depends whether I need money now or in 6 months :) |
| 14:33.50 | nevcairiel | its only difficult because the real economy has more then one market place |
| 14:33.51 | msoul | http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=86652 |
| 14:34.04 | A-KO | not really foxlit, not when people have more base gold. At any given day I'm sure there's only, in one particular market on the AH, a few tens of K of gold of items passing through it. |
| 14:34.06 | msoul | the name of that relic is funny "tattooed eyeball" |
| 14:34.29 | A-KO | It'd be easy enough to control it for a few days if you had 2-3 people watching it |
| 14:34.37 | foxlit | A-KO: the price of saronite doesn't seem to be 50g. |
| 14:34.54 | foxlit | Ergo, people can't keep it at that level. |
| 14:34.57 | A-KO | foxlit: Only because nobody bothered to take 50K gold and buy out the market in a day and start pricing it at that. |
| 14:35.00 | A-KO | Sure they can |
| 14:35.11 | A-KO | People have done it with flasks on my realm :P bumped the flask market 10g |
| 14:35.13 | Mikk | yeah and in next to no time people will have gone ore farming |
| 14:35.16 | Mikk | and started undercutting eachother |
| 14:35.21 | Mikk | and whoopie the price is back where it was |
| 14:35.22 | olafski | if you do that, people will go "wtf saronite is 50g, I'm gonna go farm and sell it at 45g" |
| 14:35.27 | Mikk | ^ |
| 14:35.31 | A-KO | Mikk: If you keep enough control on it, you can earn money. I used to do it wit hcopper bars back when WoW came out :P |
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| 14:35.37 | A-KO | and you buy it @ 45 |
| 14:35.37 | nevcairiel | you cant control a major market like saronite |
| 14:35.38 | A-KO | put it back up at 50 |
| 14:35.54 | Xinhuan | u need an initial capital to keep it at 50 for a good while |
| 14:35.57 | olafski | one of my former guildies has 1.3M I think.. should ask him to try it |
| 14:36.03 | Xinhuan | or perfect competition will just drop the price back to 40 |
| 14:36.04 | A-KO | Xinhuan: Sure, but with the massive gold some people are getting these days, that's not hard. |
| 14:36.19 | A-KO | It was done with flasks on my realm |
| 14:36.21 | A-KO | frost wyrm flasks |
| 14:36.23 | A-KO | went from 20g to 35g |
| 14:36.30 | A-KO | :P |
| 14:36.38 | A-KO | just from some people buying it up and selling it at higher |
| 14:37.05 | A-KO | The reality is, if people want XYZ item, they *have* to have those ores. And they will spend the gold as-required. They might hesitate on the first couple of days |
| 14:37.07 | A-KO | but after a week |
| 14:37.10 | A-KO | you'll start to see the ores selling |
| 14:37.12 | foxlit | Flasks aren't saronite, though. |
| 14:37.23 | foxlit | You can get saronite by walking 50 yards in a random direction. |
| 14:37.32 | A-KO | foxlit: Again, it's simply a matter of making a game out of the AH |
| 14:37.33 | A-KO | It's not had |
| 14:37.35 | A-KO | hard* |
| 14:37.36 | olafski | this sounds awesome a-ko |
| 14:37.40 | olafski | I assume you have 1 million gold? |
| 14:37.44 | Xinhuan | flasks are far easier to buyout and control |
| 14:37.48 | Xinhuan | than ore |
| 14:38.06 | A-KO | olafski: I had a few K gold at level 30 when the game first came out. Adjusted for inflation now, I probably would :P But It was tough for one person to control it, you need a team of people to do it. |
| 14:38.18 | A-KO | I at one point was thinking about creating a guild out of it :P |
| 14:38.33 | A-KO | Particularly these days, but it's still doable |
| 14:39.03 | A-KO | I owned copper bars, linen cloth, bronze bars markets on my realm |
| 14:39.08 | A-KO | and I was pretty furious at it :P |
| 14:39.10 | A-KO | I made huge profits |
| 14:39.12 | olafski | I had a few k gold at lvl 30 too |
| 14:39.17 | olafski | didn't buy anything off the AH |
| 14:39.20 | A-KO | uhm |
| 14:39.23 | A-KO | I'm talking January 2005 |
| 14:39.26 | nevcairiel | there is a difference to low level and end-game items |
| 14:39.35 | A-KO | I'm not talking January 2009 :P |
| 14:39.43 | nevcairiel | there is much more people farming endgame stuff |
| 14:39.46 | A-KO | a few *K* gold for a player at level 32 was UNHEARD of. |
| 14:39.58 | A-KO | nevcairiel: Principle still stands, just need enough capital and a few people dedicated to monitoring the market. |
| 14:40.21 | nevcairiel | I dont think you can make a profit controlling the sarointe market |
| 14:40.23 | nevcairiel | its just too big |
| 14:40.32 | A-KO | I'm almost 100% positive you could if you went in with enough money to do it |
| 14:40.39 | olafski | I'm talking february 2005 |
| 14:40.43 | olafski | when wow actually released in europe |
| 14:40.58 | A-KO | olafski: There was no way you had a few K of gold at level 30 without playing the AH in those times. |
| 14:41.01 | olafski | or was it april? I dunno.. on my first char |
| 14:41.06 | olafski | a-ko: your word against mine |
| 14:41.23 | olafski | there's more than one way to skin a cat |
| 14:41.28 | A-KO | olafski: So you're intending to call me a liar at that? |
| 14:41.32 | A-KO | Because I assure you |
| 14:41.35 | olafski | you're calling me a liar aren't you? |
| 14:41.37 | A-KO | I was in college, no job, no life :P |
| 14:41.48 | A-KO | I *could* sit and play wow all day required to have that amount of gold |
| 14:41.49 | A-KO | at that time |
| 14:41.53 | A-KO | :P |
| 14:41.59 | A-KO | And the ONLY way you could do it was on the AH |
| 14:42.03 | A-KO | It was impossible any other way |
| 14:42.05 | olafski | so could I.. and I did, and I did have about 2.5k gold |
| 14:42.16 | olafski | you did it playing the AH, I just did it by selling stuff on the AH |
| 14:42.31 | nevcairiel | I made some good gold back then by selling crafted stuff |
| 14:42.37 | olafski | nevcairiel: me too.. fish :P |
| 14:42.50 | A-KO | either way, it's still easy enough to turn a profit on markets of any size in WoW--you just have to have enough capital to make it happen, but the return would be huge once the money started flowing in. You take it up just enough that people aren't averse to buying it |
| 14:42.50 | olafski | nobody had any cash to spare yet they kept buying savory deviate delight |
| 14:42.53 | olafski | made a killing with it |
| 14:42.53 | Thunder_Child | are you guys really e-peening your lack of life? |
| 14:43.02 | A-KO | next thing you know, 15g profit per stack sold |
| 14:43.07 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: only A-KO is |
| 14:43.13 | A-KO | Prices will come down very, very slowly over a week |
| 14:43.16 | Thunder_Child | sounds like olafski also |
| 14:43.19 | olafski | thunder_child: not me.. just trying to prove that I could do it without playing the AH |
| 14:43.23 | olafski | he just called me a liar >_< |
| 14:43.53 | A-KO | olafski: At level 30, it was pretty much impossible by just selling stuff on the AH--unless that's all you constantly did..... |
| 14:44.02 | olafski | didn't I just say this? |
| 14:44.10 | nevcairiel | I wasnt really 30 for long :P |
| 14:44.10 | olafski | I fished deviate fish, cooked them and put them on the AH |
| 14:44.16 | olafski | I was lvl 30 for ages |
| 14:44.26 | A-KO | I suppose unless the economy on your server was hyper inflated...... |
| 14:44.27 | olafski | bought normal mounts for my entire guild when I hit 40 :P |
| 14:44.28 | A-KO | but let's put it this way |
| 14:44.39 | A-KO | I got caught a few times in that "60s 60s 60s 60s 60g" thing that used to happen |
| 14:44.43 | A-KO | and the most it got from me was "damnit" |
| 14:44.50 | A-KO | :P |
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| 14:55.15 | Napoleone | hmm with UnitPower("player") |
| 14:55.24 | Napoleone | when I'm in Catform it shows energy bar |
| 14:55.39 | Napoleone | but blizzard has the extra mana bar underneath.. what shall i type to get that info? |
| 14:56.48 | olafski | power = UnitPower("unitID" [, powerType]) |
| 14:56.58 | olafski | I'm guessing powertype can be used to get the mana? |
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| 14:57.50 | Napoleone | ye |
| 14:58.04 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 15:00.36 | olafski | hmm. thorium or fel iron to get from 280 to 300.. |
| 15:04.43 | Kraps | idra is out of the tourny |
| 15:04.53 | Napoleone | fel |
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| 15:11.47 | industrial | I'm looking for fantasy films/series. By that I mean LOTR not Pirates of the Carrabean (apparently this is also considered fantasy..) |
| 15:12.15 | industrial | I read fantasy books but I'm so bored right now :( |
| 15:12.18 | wereHamster | industrial: as what else you you categorize PotC? Drama? |
| 15:12.28 | olafski | science fiction of course |
| 15:13.09 | industrial | wereHamster: dunno, but when I see 'fantasy' I think medival worlds with trolls, elves etc |
| 15:13.52 | industrial | the kind that I read books about :P |
| 15:14.04 | Napoleone | easy way to check if a frame is hidden? |
| 15:15.06 | industrial | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#frame |
| 15:15.09 | wereHamster | IsHidden() ? IsShown() ? |
| 15:15.10 | industrial | search for 'show' :) |
| 15:15.27 | wereHamster | IsVisible instead of IsHidden |
| 15:15.42 | wereHamster | and note the difference between visible and shown |
| 15:15.44 | industrial | watches Inception now |
| 15:15.51 | wereHamster | also fantasy.. |
| 15:16.26 | Kraps | industrial: awesome |
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| 15:49.25 | olafski | bleh still can't get the cata beta client to work =( |
| 15:50.40 | Fisker | i once killed a guy olafski |
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| 15:57.17 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: i once had a guy kill me |
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| 15:59.09 | Kraps | http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/09000d5d81be3695/NFL-Films-Presents-Silence-is-golden |
| 15:59.17 | Kraps | http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/09000d5d81be3793/Chew-on-this |
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| 16:03.01 | Fisker | sounds pretty stupid Thunder_Child |
| 16:03.31 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: i have a good life insurance policy |
| 16:04.05 | Fisker | but you can't really collect it :( |
| 16:04.47 | Thunder_Child | says who? |
| 16:08.35 | Fisker | insurance company i'd guess |
| 16:12.41 | Thunder_Child | but i was ead |
| 16:12.43 | Thunder_Child | dead* |
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| 16:14.34 | Fisker | you're not dead when you're collecting it :o |
| 16:14.48 | Thunder_Child | who said i was collecting it? |
| 16:17.27 | Fisker | it was implied |
| 16:17.28 | Fisker | bam |
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| 16:42.29 | MoonWitch|Cleani | *sigh* back to cleaning |
| 16:42.41 | cbreak | make clean -j8 |
| 16:42.45 | MoonWitch|Cleani | If I had to become a cleaning lady, I would in fact kill myself. |
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| 16:52.08 | Jamash | BEWARE, I LIVE |
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| 17:07.33 | Kraps | Jamash: you |
| 17:07.42 | Jamash | Kraps: me |
| 17:07.49 | Kraps | yes |
| 17:08.17 | Jamash | you're welcome |
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| 17:14.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | thank god i am done cleaning |
| 17:15.03 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it's impeccable here -- minus the paws of the dog again :( |
| 17:15.35 | Cide | gotta start over then |
| 17:15.39 | MoonWitch|Mobile | no |
| 17:15.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | my back can't take more |
| 17:17.12 | MoonWitch|Mobile | perhaps a dumb question, I've tried fraps and it doesn't seem to record in 720p ... so which application is being used by all those with wow vids on youtube in 720 and even 1080? |
| 17:17.26 | A-KO | fraps does 720p |
| 17:17.42 | A-KO | what you should do is set your wow res to 1280x720 and then record at full height |
| 17:17.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | aaah |
| 17:17.49 | A-KO | or w/e the setting is in Fraps |
| 17:17.54 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ah |
| 17:18.15 | MoonWitch|Mobile | my screen is 2048 x 1152 |
| 17:18.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so I am guessing the video would be HUGE lol |
| 17:20.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | A-KO: does your fps drop so badly too when frapsing> |
| 17:20.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (no I didn't enforce an fps cap in fraps |
| 17:22.40 | Dagmar | SOme folks putting up those vids are using a hardware encoding solution... just so you'll know |
| 17:23.34 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I see |
| 17:23.40 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I think I can do that too :P |
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| 17:32.10 | Jamash | I wish there was a "iterate over table keys in order using this sort function" thing |
| 17:32.49 | foxlit | Jamash: prepared to sacrifice efficiency for it? |
| 17:33.02 | Jamash | oh I could write one, but it'd generate a junk table |
| 17:33.11 | Cide | naturally |
| 17:33.17 | foxlit | But that's how hashtables work. |
| 17:34.26 | Cide | you could also extend lua to store a separate list of table keys in sorted order |
| 17:34.29 | Cide | :> |
| 17:37.13 | Fisker | Cide |
| 17:37.17 | Fisker | you're not going to believe this |
| 17:37.24 | Cide | did you not bet on duke? |
| 17:37.31 | Fisker | i once killed a guy |
| 17:37.40 | Cide | I believe this |
| 17:38.20 | haste | I once killed Fisker |
| 17:39.26 | Thunder_Child | i dont believe it, Fisker is much too nice to do that |
| 17:40.05 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:40.07 | Fisker | i hate linux |
| 17:40.12 | Fisker | it couldn't save my harddisk |
| 17:41.10 | haste | it wasn't linux's fault, it was you who couldn't save it! |
| 17:41.21 | Fisker | it was linux's fault actually |
| 17:41.27 | Fisker | because it could find it |
| 17:41.36 | Fisker | but it couldn't write the partition table properly |
| 17:46.18 | Thunder_Child | http://imgdrop.net/viewer.php?id=bfi1289060904m.jpg |
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| 17:54.50 | Thunder_Child | but i dont like you now |
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| 17:56.11 | Kraps | thats bruce banner you're talking to |
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| 18:04.53 | MoonWitch | is installing the Sims 3, wondering if her characters will all turn out to be lesbians again. |
| 18:05.20 | MoonWitch | Yes .. in Sims2 I had to install a hack to impregnate my characters |
| 18:05.31 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 18:05.33 | jnwhiteh | funny story about that |
| 18:05.40 | jnwhiteh | I had two households going in the same neighborhood |
| 18:05.44 | jnwhiteh | one we had a girl get pregnant |
| 18:05.52 | jnwhiteh | then, there was a burglar, the night before she was due |
| 18:06.00 | jnwhiteh | my fiancé (in-game) showed up to watch |
| 18:06.13 | jnwhiteh | when he did, I noticed that his body was invisible |
| 18:06.18 | MoonWitch | ... |
| 18:06.22 | jnwhiteh | thought, "Oh, that's a weird glitch" |
| 18:06.28 | jnwhiteh | turns out at some point he 'caught' her pregnancy |
| 18:06.34 | MoonWitch | whut? |
| 18:06.35 | jnwhiteh | and there are no graphics for that in the game |
| 18:06.37 | MoonWitch | strange |
| 18:06.40 | jnwhiteh | so it showed an invis texture |
| 18:06.40 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 18:06.48 | jnwhiteh | so my male husband (in-game) gave birth to a baby. |
| 18:06.54 | jnwhiteh | I still have the game saved |
| 18:06.56 | jnwhiteh | freaked me out |
| 18:07.04 | MoonWitch | but I installed a mod that undid the pixelated look and allowed all that to be textured :) |
| 18:07.09 | jnwhiteh | I didn't even notice he was pregnant (why would I) until he actually went into labor. |
| 18:08.47 | MoonWitch | manual patching of 30 patches sucks |
| 18:08.56 | MoonWitch | but such is the risk when playing sims3 |
| 18:17.32 | Napoleone | got a question |
| 18:17.43 | Napoleone | easy way to make a circular statusbar? |
| 18:17.54 | Napoleone | like the countdown timer on runes animation |
| 18:19.42 | Jamash | possible, yes, easy, no |
| 18:19.45 | Thunder_Child | Date Modified: 12/31/2049 03:00 PM <- i'm impressed |
| 18:19.51 | Jamash | hot |
| 18:20.03 | MoonWitch | Thunder_Child: If you weren't impressed, I'd be scared :P |
| 18:20.32 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: i could just be too dumb to be impressed |
| 18:21.07 | MoonWitch | then you wouldn't be in here now would you ;) |
| 18:21.40 | Thunder_Child | umm....not quite true |
| 18:21.52 | MoonWitch | yeah I know, I'm in here |
| 18:21.55 | Thunder_Child | we have had some seriously retardd people in here |
| 18:22.09 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 18:22.13 | MoonWitch | I stand corrected |
| 18:22.21 | Thunder_Child | like me! |
| 18:22.30 | MoonWitch | no |
| 18:22.35 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:23.12 | MoonWitch | I consider you to be a fine teacher of the finer coding skills in life :) |
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| 18:23.33 | Thunder_Child | see, i thin you just put your foot in it |
| 18:23.35 | MoonWitch | Just like I consider Cide to appear scarier than he actually is. |
| 18:23.36 | Thunder_Child | since i dont code |
| 18:23.48 | Thunder_Child | think* |
| 18:23.56 | MoonWitch | you've given me some help in the past -- |
| 18:24.08 | Thunder_Child | googlefu != coding ability |
| 18:24.19 | MoonWitch | hell even my googleFu is weak |
| 18:24.35 | MoonWitch | but here have a cookie :) |
| 18:24.37 | Shirik | Cide |
| 18:24.39 | MoonWitch | I like you, nah :P |
| 18:24.40 | Shirik | my other 2v2 partner |
| 18:24.43 | Shirik | is so awful |
| 18:24.50 | Cide | play with me instead then |
| 18:25.02 | MoonWitch | o_O |
| 18:25.16 | Shirik | I want to |
| 18:25.17 | Cide | yes |
| 18:25.24 | MoonWitch | That's gotta go into the topic |
| 18:25.25 | Shirik | but then you were all like "sleep nya" |
| 18:25.40 | Cide | well yeah, it was 6:30am |
| 18:25.55 | Cide | maybe you should try playing in swedish time! |
| 18:26.05 | MoonWitch | you're swedish? |
| 18:26.17 | Cide | yes |
| 18:26.27 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 18:26.39 | Cide | I think so too |
| 18:27.05 | Shirik | I do not think so |
| 18:27.10 | Cide | psh |
| 18:27.36 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 18:27.38 | MoonWitch | oh yes jnwhiteh .. sims 3 installs a lot faster than sims 2 :P |
| 18:27.41 | Napoleone | cant seem to find much about this |
| 18:27.57 | Shirik | only germans would come up with a study like this http://www.themedguru.com/20091206/newsfeature/stare-boobs-longer-life-study-86131320.html |
| 18:27.58 | Napoleone | what if i want to shorten a number down to 2 decimals |
| 18:28.32 | MoonWitch | pattern matching? |
| 18:29.42 | Hirsute | Napoleone: string.format($d0,"<your number here>") |
| 18:29.58 | Cide | Shirik: well that's nice |
| 18:30.06 | Cide | we now have a scientific excuse too |
| 18:30.11 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(foo:format(%d0)) |
| 18:30.11 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '%' |
| 18:30.21 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(foo:format("%d0")) |
| 18:30.22 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'foo' (a number value) |
| 18:30.35 | Hirsute | Hrmm. |
| 18:30.38 | Cide | you fail |
| 18:30.39 | Hirsute | Still waking up. |
| 18:30.40 | Napoleone | lua> local foo = 3.14159; print(foo:format("%d0")) |
| 18:30.41 | lua_bot | Napoleone: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'foo' (a number value) |
| 18:30.48 | Shirik | you can't do that |
| 18:30.57 | Hirsute | because foo is a number, not a string. |
| 18:30.58 | Cide | only strings have the string table as its metatable |
| 18:31.06 | Hirsute | dur, silly Hirsute. |
| 18:31.19 | Shirik | Regardless |
| 18:31.31 | Shirik | lua> ("%d0"):format(3.14159) |
| 18:31.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: 30 |
| 18:31.34 | Shirik | is what it should be |
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| 18:31.41 | Cide | yep |
| 18:32.15 | cbreak | where are the elemental invasions in northrend? |
| 18:32.25 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%f0",tostring(foo)) |
| 18:32.26 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 18:32.42 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%f2",tostring(foo))) |
| 18:32.42 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 3.1415902 |
| 18:32.46 | Cide | you don't need tostring |
| 18:33.01 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%f2",foo)) |
| 18:33.01 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 3.1415902 |
| 18:33.10 | Hirsute | Still not doing this right, apparently. |
| 18:33.20 | Cide | what do youw ant? |
| 18:33.40 | Napoleone | number down to 2 decimals |
| 18:33.43 | MoonWitch | so round a decimal at 2 |
| 18:33.48 | Cide | "%.2f" |
| 18:33.50 | Shirik | %0.2f |
| 18:33.55 | Shirik | or what Cide said |
| 18:34.14 | MoonWitch | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%.2f",foo)) |
| 18:34.14 | lua_bot | MoonWitch: 3.14 |
| 18:34.23 | Napoleone | pp_player_gly1_te:SetText(string.format("%.2f",(GetTime() - glyph1_s) / glyph1_d) ) |
| 18:34.25 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 18:34.30 | Napoleone | works |
| 18:34.47 | Hirsute | lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%.2f",foo)) |
| 18:34.47 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 3.14 |
| 18:34.56 | Hirsute | ... |
| 18:35.06 | MoonWitch | the names of your text, vars etc scare me Napoleone |
| 18:35.08 | Hirsute | I killed lua_bot |
| 18:35.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:35.25 | MoonWitch | he did answer you promptly |
| 18:35.25 | jnwhiteh | lua> "I disagree" |
| 18:35.25 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: I disagree |
| 18:36.05 | lua_bot | Stop trying to talk for me, asshat. |
| 18:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone know offhand how to start a second Xorg server on another display? |
| 18:37.59 | cbreak | startx? :) |
| 18:38.11 | cbreak | but don't linux users use xinerama? |
| 18:38.12 | cbreak | or what ever |
| 18:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | s/another display/another physical card/ |
| 18:38.51 | MoonWitch | edit xorg.conf? |
| 18:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Xorg cannot handle multiple adapters |
| 18:39.36 | Napoleone | any way to set a mask on a statusbar? |
| 18:39.55 | MoonWitch | lua>"jnwhiteh: how many machines do you have" |
| 18:39.55 | lua_bot | MoonWitch: jnwhiteh: how many machines do you have |
| 18:39.56 | Napoleone | SetMaskTexture( |
| 18:39.58 | Napoleone | doesnt work ;P |
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| 18:40.50 | Hirsute | Well that sucks. |
| 18:43.18 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: I have my laptop, my office desktop, my office laptop, my netbook and a remote server |
| 18:43.19 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 18:43.29 | MoonWitch | just wondering |
| 18:45.01 | haste | ScytheBlade1: if you happen to still wonder: X :1 -ac # what you do from there is up to you tho' :P |
| 18:46.47 | MoonWitch | last patch and expansion pack installed |
| 18:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: nope, that stole my primary display |
| 18:46.50 | Hirsute | Aye |
| 18:46.50 | Hirsute | Now if only I hadn't managed to kill lua_bot. -_- |
| 18:46.50 | MoonWitch | now the custom shit |
| 18:47.02 | MoonWitch | lua> "hi" |
| 18:47.02 | lua_bot | MoonWitch: hi |
| 18:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: two cards, three monitors: two monitors are on the primary card (in use), one monitor is on the secondary card (not doing much of anything now) |
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| 18:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: I would like another display on the secondary card |
| 18:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (yeah still googling around..) |
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| 18:48.50 | Hirsute | ... |
| 18:48.51 | Hirsute | 13 minutes it took lua_bot to get that back to me. How odd. |
| 18:50.00 | haste | ScytheBlade1: you can do it through -layout, just define another layout for your other card |
| 18:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm, k |
| 18:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: to be honest, the day that X figured out how to configure itself properly in most all situations was one of the better days of my life.. I really hate xorg.conf :( |
| 18:51.49 | cbreak | it's so easy on OS X |
| 18:52.02 | cbreak | the X server we have here just uses the system's screens |
| 18:52.06 | cbreak | no direct access |
| 18:53.01 | haste | ScytheBlade1: the section named "ServerLayout" defines layouts |
| 18:53.09 | haste | ScytheBlade1: identifier is the name of the layout |
| 18:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 18:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | This is what I hate about it |
| 18:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 18:54.04 | Shirik | owned |
| 18:54.17 | Shirik | Just go into your log file and change EE to WW |
| 18:54.18 | Shirik | and it will work |
| 18:54.23 | haste | xorg.conf is actually pretty sane |
| 18:54.30 | amro | shirik |
| 18:54.32 | amro | come out and play |
| 18:54.37 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:54.46 | amro | bnet |
| 18:54.54 | Shirik | I need to pick up a new mouse |
| 18:54.57 | Shirik | I was planning to head out to get one |
| 18:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: yeah I know, I'm just TERRIBLE at it |
| 18:55.09 | Cide | g9? |
| 18:55.14 | Shirik | well I have a mouse |
| 18:55.15 | amro | come out and buy a new mouse |
| 18:55.20 | Shirik | I just don't have the receiver for it |
| 18:55.25 | Cide | fail |
| 18:55.28 | Shirik | so I'm just picking some crappy logitech with the same receiver |
| 18:55.35 | Shirik | now that they have the unified receiver |
| 18:55.48 | Cide | how did you lose your receiver? |
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| 18:55.55 | Shirik | um |
| 18:56.02 | Shirik | I was trying to conserve battery life in class |
| 18:56.07 | amro | his APM was over 9000 |
| 18:56.09 | amro | broke the receiver |
| 18:56.16 | Cide | rofl |
| 18:56.18 | Shirik | so for some reason I figured the 5mA that the receiver was taking just HAD to be stopped |
| 18:56.21 | Cide | like that will ever happen amro! |
| 18:56.23 | Shirik | so I put it on the table and forgot about it |
| 18:56.32 | Cide | nice |
| 18:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: see anything obviously wrong? http://pastey.net/142567 |
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| 18:57.51 | Shirik | where's your resolution? |
| 18:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: see the Option "DPMS" line? ;) |
| 18:58.07 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 18:58.07 | MoonWitch | ScytheBlade1: yes, you're using nouveau drivers ... |
| 18:58.17 | MoonWitch | it's a failsafe line |
| 18:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | MoonWitch: har har |
| 18:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, I suppose the actual error lines would be useful |
| 18:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (EE) [drm] Could not set DRM device bus ID. |
| 18:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm |
| 18:58.33 | Shirik | nouveau == new == must be awesome |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik | You have DRM on your monitor? |
| 18:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:58.51 | MoonWitch | ScytheBlade1: no seriously -- what type of card do you have (brand) |
| 18:58.55 | Shirik | :D |
| 18:58.58 | foxlit | who doesn't, Shirik? |
| 18:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT200 [GeForce GTX 260] (rev a1) |
| 18:59.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) |
| 18:59.23 | MoonWitch | yes, there might be your issue |
| 18:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 18:59.44 | MoonWitch | every single time I tried nouveau together with 2 vid cards I've had massive shit, especially with nvidia |
| 19:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Supposedly it can do it fine |
| 19:00.19 | Shirik | supposedly vista was a good OS |
| 19:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | it was |
| 19:00.27 | cbreak | do you have to use X? |
| 19:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: I wasn't aware there were other options in linux? |
| 19:00.50 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: what flask? |
| 19:00.53 | Shirik | what distro are you on? |
| 19:00.57 | cbreak | There are some low level things? |
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| 19:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Fedora |
| 19:01.09 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27607503018&sid=1 |
| 19:01.14 | Shirik | ok that's your problem imo |
| 19:01.16 | Shirik | case solved |
| 19:01.21 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: huh? |
| 19:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Sigh |
| 19:01.32 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: as a resto druid, what should I flask right now? |
| 19:01.34 | jnwhiteh | sp? |
| 19:01.36 | Shirik | but seriously I know very little about xorg sorry :( |
| 19:01.39 | nevcairiel | frost wyrm, yes |
| 19:01.41 | Shirik | I know how to set up my configuration and that's about it |
| 19:01.42 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 19:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: wait, you use ubuntu. Auto-ignore! |
| 19:01.47 | Shirik | no I don't... |
| 19:01.49 | Shirik | I hate ubuntu |
| 19:01.51 | nevcairiel | if you have mana trouble, go quit, you have no chance :P |
| 19:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
| 19:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you using then? |
| 19:01.59 | Shirik | gentoo |
| 19:02.02 | zenzelezz | wow, I finally got my first Nigeria-type scam message ever... and it was on Facebook o_O |
| 19:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh right |
| 19:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The epic fail of all fails |
| 19:02.19 | Shirik | the epic win of all wins you mean |
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| 19:03.35 | wereHamster | zenzelezz: you mean 419? |
| 19:04.02 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: it never mentions that, but it's the same deal |
| 19:04.14 | Kraps | "This may sound silly, but does anyone feel like there is way too much to do right at the start of cata?" DAMN YOU PEOPLE THAT EXSIST |
| 19:04.29 | wereHamster | zenzelezz: and you've never received on of those by email? |
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| 19:05.54 | Hirsute | MoonWitch: lua_bot answered me promptly? |
| 19:07.20 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: never |
| 19:08.30 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 19:08.35 | Lulia | This is a bit wonky... |
| 19:08.36 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2820/ |
| 19:08.48 | Lulia | When the conditions are met for the original if statement |
| 19:08.53 | Lulia | it fires Should Hide. |
| 19:09.00 | Lulia | Doesn't hide the frame in Resource.Base |
| 19:09.04 | Lulia | And then prints nil |
| 19:09.08 | Hirsute | In trade chat: Person1: "Have they fixed Auctioneer yet?" Person2: "Auctioneer works, it just skips stuff." Me: "Auctioneer doesn't skip things. *Blizzard* sometimes skips things, but Auctioneer gets all the information Blizzard gives it." Person2: "Well, you have fun with your Auctioneer that 'works' despite the developers saying it skips stuff." Me: "-_-" |
| 19:09.32 | Lulia | However, ifI type PowerBars.Base.Resource.Base (the actual path of the local Resource.Base) with :IsShown() I get 1 |
| 19:10.08 | Hirsute | I just stopped then, I'm not inclined to tell people that I'm one of those developers in a setting like that. Further conversation with someone like that is generally pretty pointless. |
| 19:10.10 | Lulia | The only thing I can think is that the local is somehow not being seen correctly |
| 19:10.28 | Lulia | Oh, you're one of the devs of Auctioneer? |
| 19:10.58 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:11.38 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2821/ |
| 19:11.43 | Lulia | That's the whole function by the way |
| 19:11.55 | Lulia | The local should be seen in that if block |
| 19:11.57 | mikma | hirsute: anyway, the developers of auctioneer are bunch of COCKS! |
| 19:12.04 | MoonWitch | Hirsute: yes, it did |
| 19:12.51 | Fisker | i wish mikma |
| 19:12.54 | Lulia | Going to try using the full global |
| 19:13.11 | mikma | fisker: i can't help you if you like cocks |
| 19:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: ha, from the xorg.conf man file: |
| 19:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | VIDEOADAPTOR SECTION Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ... |
| 19:13.40 | Lulia | Still showing "Should Hide", not hiding, and returning nil on IsShown in the if block, but returning 1 if I do a /script print(PowerBars.Base.Resource.Base:IsShown()) |
| 19:13.59 | Lulia | oh wait, nm |
| 19:14.08 | Lulia | IsShown is supposed to return nil if it's not showing >.> |
| 19:14.14 | Lulia | I thought it was supposed to return 0 |
| 19:14.15 | Lulia | lol |
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| 19:14.40 | MoonWitch | i shall return shortly, i have to go barf i think |
| 19:14.47 | Lulia | :( |
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| 19:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: Not enough space in /boot/upgrade to download install.img. |
| 19:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: why do they continue to use 200MB for /boot by default? really? |
| 19:22.07 | Lulia | I'm an idiot ;( |
| 19:22.17 | Cide | blizzard functions pretty much never return 0 for bools, only counts |
| 19:22.26 | Cide | (because 0 is boolean true in lua) |
| 19:23.42 | Lulia | Right, Cide. I just forgot, cause I'm dumb :-/ |
| 19:24.32 | Lulia | But, I did figure it out without prodding ;) |
| 19:26.55 | Fisker | install windows ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:26.56 | Fisker | fixed |
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| 19:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: BUT THEY PROVIDE A 100MB BOOT PARTITION, HALF OF WHAT FEDORA PROVIDES! |
| 19:37.36 | haste | you need more than 100M for /boot ? |
| 19:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: fedora has a "preupgrade" utility which downloads everything you need to upgrade from release to release and then boots into it |
| 19:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haste: it tries to put the entire install image in /boot, which.. can be a problem |
| 19:38.23 | Ackis | are people really this stupid? http://forums.xbox.com/34882838/ShowPost.aspx |
| 19:38.28 | haste | why would it put it there :p ? |
| 19:38.32 | haste | sounds.. really stupid |
| 19:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Said iamge is only ~150MB, but meh |
| 19:40.24 | haste | still, putting it in /boot is stupid :P |
| 19:41.20 | Dagmar | Ackis: You play WoW and you have to ask that question? |
| 19:41.39 | Ackis | Dagmar: well put :( |
| 19:41.59 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.13 | Hirsute | mikma: :P |
| 19:43.30 | Hirsute | MoonWitch: No, it didn't, it took it more than 10 minutes to respond to me. |
| 19:44.49 | Hirsute | [10:34]<Hirsute>lua> local foo = 3.14159 print(string.format("%.2f",foo)) |
| 19:45.02 | Dagmar | haste: Keep in mind there's people still running machines that can't boot from anything beyond the 1024'th cylinder |
| 19:45.09 | Dagmar | THAT's why they put it in /boot |
| 19:45.11 | Hirsute | [10:47]<lua_bot> Hirsute: 3.14 |
| 19:47.59 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: whats a cylinder |
| 19:48.20 | Arrowmaster | seriously remember that stuff is 100% faked now |
| 19:48.59 | MentalPower | aye, the whole drive geometry thing is a joke |
| 19:49.23 | Arrowmaster | which is why we need to stop using the legacy crap like BIOS and MSDOS partition tables |
| 19:49.34 | haste | Dagmar: remember that fedora is aimed at "modern" computers, and you have to get the boot image from somewhere, unless it's doing something really odd to get it |
| 19:49.40 | Shirik | amro |
| 19:49.44 | Shirik | I have returned with a mouse receiver |
| 19:50.06 | Arrowmaster | UEFI and GPT should have replaced that crap long ago but no the motherboard manufacturers are just lazy fucks |
| 19:50.21 | haste | asus is starting to push out some UEFI stuff now afaik |
| 19:50.45 | Arrowmaster | intel stuff has been UEFI for fucking years |
| 19:50.53 | Arrowmaster | YEARS! |
| 19:51.03 | amro | let's gooo |
| 19:51.05 | amro | anyone else? |
| 19:51.27 | Fisker | any half decent Sandy Bridge motherboard will have EFI |
| 19:51.28 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.29 | Fisker | or UEFI |
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| 19:52.51 | amro | shirik |
| 19:53.15 | Arrowmaster | all the X58 boards from intel had UEFI |
| 19:53.20 | amro | uke totte ni |
| 19:53.36 | Arrowmaster | im guessing over half the Sandy Bridge boards by other manufacturers wont have UEFI |
| 19:54.13 | Shirik | what |
| 19:54.14 | Shirik | amro |
| 19:54.23 | Shirik | have you been watching |
| 19:54.28 | Shirik | oh that's my broadcast message huh |
| 19:54.32 | amro | yeah. |
| 19:55.25 | Shirik | I also got this mousepad of awesomeness |
| 19:56.11 | amro | apparently not awesome enough for you to get online in a reasonable amount of time |
| 19:56.14 | amro | hurry |
| 19:58.09 | Iriel | Lulia: I would expect the empty string, but I could conceive of a world where it's nil |
| 19:58.40 | Lulia | Well, here's the issue: |
| 19:58.55 | Lulia | I use if self:GetText() to check if the editbox has anything in it |
| 19:59.12 | Lulia | In the next level I compare the value of the editbox to make sure it isn't above or below a certain number |
| 19:59.33 | Lulia | If I hit backspace repeatedly in the editbox and then hit enter or escape, the widget handlers I'm using |
| 19:59.43 | Lulia | I get an error from WoW about trying to compare nil to a number |
| 19:59.55 | Lulia | if self:GetText() is nil, it shouldn't ever be trying to compare them |
| 20:00.04 | Lulia | Since it shouldn't get past that if statement |
| 20:00.24 | Arrowmaster | the error message has a line number, figure it out |
| 20:00.32 | Lulia | Right |
| 20:00.35 | Iriel | Lulia: it's a line where you're doing a < or > with a number, not an == |
| 20:00.43 | Iriel | Lulia: I find it unlikely that it's the output of GetText |
| 20:00.46 | Lulia | And the line is inside the if statement that checks for nil |
| 20:01.18 | Lulia | if tonumber(self:GetText()) > 3 then that's the line |
| 20:01.22 | Lulia | But it should never get there |
| 20:01.23 | Arrowmaster | check again but self:GetText() would always error if you are trying to compare it to a number since it wont return a number |
| 20:01.26 | Lulia | If GetText returns nil |
| 20:01.29 | Iriel | Well yes, |
| 20:01.34 | Iriel | _tonumber_ returns nil |
| 20:01.37 | Iriel | if the input isn't a number |
| 20:01.38 | Lulia | But I check if it's nil first |
| 20:01.42 | Iriel | but GetText isnt' returning nil |
| 20:01.48 | Lulia | Well |
| 20:01.51 | Lulia | That's what I asked originally |
| 20:02.00 | Lulia | What does it return? |
| 20:02.02 | Lulia | An empty string? |
| 20:02.12 | Iriel | Probably |
| 20:02.14 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:02.17 | Iriel | but that's still not the right way to write your code |
| 20:02.26 | Lulia | O.o |
| 20:02.30 | Lulia | I would check for an empty string |
| 20:02.31 | Iriel | you should do something like: local num = tonumber(self:GetText()) |
| 20:02.34 | Iriel | then check if num is nil |
| 20:02.36 | Lulia | If there's an empty string |
| 20:02.44 | Lulia | Then I don't use tonumber |
| 20:02.52 | Lulia | I don't get why what I'm doing is improper |
| 20:03.00 | Lulia | Why create a variable if it's not needed? |
| 20:03.02 | Iriel | What if I enter 'x' into your editbox/ |
| 20:03.07 | Lulia | You cant |
| 20:03.10 | Lulia | It's set to numeric |
| 20:03.17 | Iriel | How about - |
| 20:03.35 | Iriel | (I haven't actually tried numeric mode so I can't remember what it does and doesn't allow) |
| 20:03.37 | Lulia | That doesn't go in numeric text boxes either |
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| 20:03.44 | Lulia | numeric has only allowed numbers for me |
| 20:03.55 | Iriel | If you're sure that it can't be non-digits then you should be safe checking for "" |
| 20:03.57 | Arrowmaster | then how do you enter negative numbers! |
| 20:04.21 | Lulia | Don't use a numeric textbox? |
| 20:04.22 | Iriel | but be aware that tonumber will return nil if the string is a non-numeric valude for future use |
| 20:04.34 | Lulia | Well, Iriel, that would be logical |
| 20:04.51 | Lulia | But that wasn't the specific issue I was having. I thought GetText returned nil if nothing was in the editbox |
| 20:05.11 | Lulia | I knew it wasn't receiving a number, but I had no idea why it was getting past GetText() |
| 20:05.31 | Lulia | Well, the if self:GetText() check |
| 20:06.22 | Lulia | Thanks for the help |
| 20:06.41 | Lulia | I'm not sure why GetText() returns an empty string instead of nil, that's a bit odd |
| 20:06.57 | Iriel | Not really |
| 20:07.00 | Iriel | it contains an empty string |
| 20:07.21 | Iriel | That makes working with edit boxes far more consistent than having to put nil checks everywhere |
| 20:07.51 | Lulia | But you have to put "" checks instead |
| 20:08.02 | Lulia | I mean, either way you'll often have to check for what it returns |
| 20:08.34 | Lulia | It's just as easy to have if self:GetText() then blah = self:GetText() else blah = ""; end |
| 20:09.04 | Iriel | I guess I disagree, most of the time you're doing stuff like... |
| 20:09.11 | Iriel | value = "whatver" .. self:GetText() |
| 20:09.18 | Iriel | or print(self:GetText()) |
| 20:09.29 | Iriel | or SomeFunction(self:GetText()) |
| 20:09.44 | Iriel | Using an empty string versus nil is far less likely to cause a 'surprising' result |
| 20:09.57 | Iriel | Also, from the C++ side, chances are they're just making a lua string out of their buffer |
| 20:10.03 | Iriel | so returning nil would require more work |
| 20:10.19 | Iriel | nil tends to be reserved for 'exceptional conditions' (or boolean false) |
| 20:11.02 | Lulia | Well, the boolean false is why I would expect a nil |
| 20:11.21 | Lulia | Since that's how I have to check for whether or not a function has returned something I Can use in lua most of the time. |
| 20:11.30 | Lulia | Is whether or not it returns nil |
| 20:12.26 | Iriel | Even the boolean one is easy if you just do if (Blah()) |
| 20:14.07 | Lulia | Huh? |
| 20:14.33 | Lulia | I just check if the function has returned something via if function() then blah end |
| 20:14.45 | Lulia | But I cant if it doesn't return nil when it has nothing, like GetText() |
| 20:14.51 | Iriel | that's all I mean... you dont really need to care if it's true/false, 1/nil, etc. |
| 20:15.28 | Lulia | Right... |
| 20:15.38 | Lulia | I never said boolean wasn't that way...? |
| 20:18.43 | Iriel | I guess I misunderstood your earlier comment then.. Really all i'm arguing for is "nil tends to be used for "does not exist/has failed" (outside of 1/nil) - not "exists but is empty", that'd be "" or 0 |
| 20:19.28 | Tuller | probably just want a HasText method :P |
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| 20:21.56 | Tuller | ugh, this need for speed demo starts with a 5 minute unskippable cinematic |
| 20:24.02 | Iriel | Heh, in minecraft if you can see another player holding a compass you see the direction from YOURSELF to the spawn point, not the person holding it. |
| 20:25.04 | amro | I blame java |
| 20:29.23 | Kraps | are people still buying battered hilts? |
| 20:29.31 | MoonWitch | on my server they are |
| 20:29.35 | MoonWitch | guildie sold 3 of em |
| 20:29.43 | MoonWitch | asswipe is now loaded |
| 20:30.02 | Kraps | just got my first one but i think i'll sell it |
| 20:35.14 | olafski | yeah not much point using them anymore now |
| 20:37.53 | Gnarfoz | argh, Debian, you've got to be kidding me |
| 20:38.02 | MoonWitch | I do wish I'd gotten a few of em though |
| 20:38.07 | MoonWitch | is dirt poor in wow |
| 20:38.33 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.39 | Gnarfoz | what the fuck, debian |
| 20:38.48 | Gnarfoz | that's the only reason I was waiting for php 5.3.3 |
| 20:38.49 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
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| 20:41.17 | Gnarfoz | well, at least proftpd is fixed again |
| 20:41.48 | industrial | hahaha i love the latest DL http://www.darklegacycomics.com/263.html |
| 20:41.52 | industrial | >:D |
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| 20:50.16 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 20:50.27 | Lulia | It would appear that low and high text for sliders are shadowed |
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| 20:53.13 | Trela | industrial: Awesome. XD Marmalade just got instant exalted with Stormwind. |
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| 21:01.43 | industrial | Trela: hehe |
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| 21:19.30 | alestane | "lfm Ony 25 come get epic head"...I'm not sure whether that's pathetic or awesome. |
| 21:19.45 | mikma | yes, itg is. |
| 21:19.50 | mikma | it is* |
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| 21:30.34 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/pLwbw.png <-darkness descents |
| 21:32.18 | Topper727 | new game fisker? |
| 21:34.24 | Fisker | naw? |
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| 21:43.04 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5683789/is-kinect-already-hacked |
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| 21:46.23 | Fisker | i hacked you Kraps |
| 21:46.25 | Napoleone | Lulia you here? |
| 21:47.07 | Kraps | Fisker: i dont have a kinect so no |
| 21:47.13 | industrial | I back doored you Fisker |
| 21:47.17 | industrial | but you didn't notice |
| 21:47.52 | industrial | (we're talking about computers right?) |
| 21:48.35 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBM3j7x4Lcw |
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| 21:51.56 | olafski | some hack.. :P |
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| 22:03.22 | industrial | lol homeless trap :D http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/its_a_trap4.jpg |
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| 22:06.00 | olafski | :D |
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| 22:09.11 | Aurorus | nice |
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| 22:17.01 | Amarande | fffffffffff.... maybe I should just cancel my US WoW account and buy an EU one |
| 22:17.10 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 22:17.17 | Nobgul | why would you do such a thing |
| 22:17.39 | Amarande | Nobgul: because US battle.net uses lameass AT&T for a backbone provider, which keeps crapping out? |
| 22:17.40 | Nobgul | Other then the fact that wow is down atm >< |
| 22:17.51 | Amarande | lemme guess, you play in stormstrike battlegroup too? |
| 22:17.58 | Nobgul | Err Cyclone |
| 22:18.35 | Amarande | lemme guess, because I DC'd, and in an instance rather than on the normal server, I'm a favorite to lose the two Essences of Infinity I got on this BM run and will have to do BM a *third* time? |
| 22:18.57 | Nobgul | Sounds familiar when i did my alchemy quests. |
| 22:19.18 | Nobgul | Amarande: What i have noticed over the last 5 years is yes. |
| 22:19.21 | TMc51 | whats so bad about Stormstrike? It's in the same datacenter as Nightfall and I get an awesom 10-20ms ping on any server in that battlegroup |
| 22:19.46 | Amarande | TMc51: because AT&T are a bunch of fucking morons who can't run a backbone in NYC worth shit, that's why |
| 22:19.50 | Nobgul | TMc51: Its the connection between the isp and att. I have the same issues with comcrap. |
| 22:19.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Why would you think disconnecting would destroy non-summoned items from your inventory? |
| 22:20.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: I've at least once had an incident where DC'ing caused my character to get partially rolled back. |
| 22:20.16 | Dagmar | Once in how many years |
| 22:20.20 | Amarande | It was a most irritating one, since I lost a point of JC at a point where all the recipes are green. |
| 22:20.21 | Xyphoid | Amarande: you're absolutely right, rerolling on a EU account is the correct solution |
| 22:20.25 | Dagmar | ...and let's be honest, that wasn't you disconnecting, that was the server crashing. |
| 22:20.26 | DWSR | lua> local test = { 1 = 2, } print test.1; |
| 22:20.26 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 22:20.26 | TMc51 | Eh, thats comcrap for ya though. Through time warner, my connection to the servers have never been an issue. |
| 22:20.26 | Xyphoid | get on it |
| 22:20.43 | Amarande | Xyphoid: well, given that EU doesn't use a company that fails completely at life as their provider, that might well be. :) |
| 22:20.51 | Amarande | hmm, let's see. is AT&T particularly good at landline phones? no |
| 22:20.56 | Amarande | is AT&T any good at cell phones? no |
| 22:20.58 | DWSR | ~pil |
| 22:20.58 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:21.03 | Nobgul | Amarande: Good luck on the ping times. |
| 22:21.04 | Amarande | is AT&T any good at being a backbone provider for the US Internet? apparently no |
| 22:21.19 | Nobgul | Amarande: It's not the worst by far. |
| 22:21.34 | Amarande | really, the only really good thing AT&T's done lately has been inventing Graphviz. :) |
| 22:21.51 | DWSR | lua> local test = { 1 = 2, } print test[1]; |
| 22:21.51 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 22:22.00 | DWSR | wait, way? |
| 22:22.03 | DWSR | wat? |
| 22:22.36 | Nobgul | I have had more issues with my server hosting with level3 then att. |
| 22:22.38 | DWSR | wtb charcount in error messages. |
| 22:22.43 | Nobgul | lol |
| 22:23.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's because you're in the "not an AT&T DSL customer" QoS pool |
| 22:24.00 | Shirik | yay for net neutrality |
| 22:24.08 | DWSR | ^ |
| 22:24.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: that would cause lag, but I wouldn't expect 100% packet loss, which is what one gets as one gets close to the WoW servers on a traceroute when this occurs. |
| 22:24.11 | Seerah | DWSR: local test = { [1] = 2 } |
| 22:24.14 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 22:24.23 | DWSR | but why do I need to bother with the square brackets? |
| 22:24.24 | Dagmar | People are fucking *stupid* if they think these service providers are interested in a level playing field |
| 22:24.34 | Amarande | soo ... how long before AT&T DSL will become a requirement to play any battle.net games? |
| 22:24.49 | Seerah | DWSR: because you're telling the table that 1 is an index in the table. A key, not a value. |
| 22:24.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: Depends on whether or not you route through them |
| 22:25.22 | Amarande | and can you even get DSL through AT&T without having to get all that Yahoo! crap on your computer, since last I heard it was "AT&T Yahoo!" DSL? |
| 22:25.29 | DWSR | Seerah: If I'm using an obvious string as the key (i.e. something with letters) do I need to do that as well? |
| 22:25.33 | Dagmar | Back when there were analog modems, I worked for a dialup ISP. We had 35 T1 circuits scattered around the mid-state area. |
| 22:25.39 | Amarande | YIMG is another unholy entity that I'd like to see go out of business. |
| 22:25.52 | Nobgul | Amarande: Yes. Although wouldn't you go with verizon or comcrap? |
| 22:25.53 | Seerah | DWSR: yep. table = { ["key"] = value} |
| 22:26.04 | Amarande | Nobgul: we have Charter here. |
| 22:26.16 | DWSR | Seerah: I'm looking at a working example in one of my addons where that isn't what's written. |
| 22:26.22 | Dagmar | The very DAY BellSouth was allowed to have their own ISP, not a day went by when at least one of our POPs wasn't fucked up because BellSouth "accidentally" reprovisioned the circuit out from under us |
| 22:26.26 | DWSR | It's not that I don't believe you that that is the correct syntax, but I'm wondering why the difference. |
| 22:26.30 | Seerah | what does it have? |
| 22:26.43 | Nobgul | And there goes my vent server going down =P |
| 22:26.55 | Dagmar | It was very clear they were doing their best to drive customers off other ISPs by sabotaging their dialin T1's. |
| 22:27.10 | DWSR | Seerah: The key is naked (no quotes) |
| 22:27.15 | Amarande | Everyone routes through AT&T to get to WoW, anyway. The last hop before the WoW datacenters is an att.net IP. |
| 22:27.20 | Seerah | what does it have? what is the code? ;P |
| 22:27.31 | DWSR | Sorry, second. |
| 22:27.44 | Dagmar | Amarande: They have redundant peering over there |
| 22:27.46 | Seerah | DWSR: ah, I see this tutorial doesn't use it that way either.... hmmm http://lua-users.org/wiki/TablesTutorial |
| 22:27.46 | Amarande | And dammit, I have raid tonight. If this is going to keep up ... we're never going to get H Sindy down. |
| 22:29.34 | Nobgul | Amarande: Your not missing anything interesting |
| 22:30.05 | DWSR | Ur magicks betrayin u. |
| 22:30.07 | DWSR | That's about it. |
| 22:30.36 | Dagmar | It's amazing how full of crap the Nexon people are |
| 22:30.49 | Seerah | DWSR: maybe it's because the values are numbers that it's confusing it |
| 22:30.50 | Dagmar | "Vindictus: the first physics-based action MMO" |
| 22:30.56 | Dagmar | Complete and utter bollocks that is |
| 22:31.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yar. |
| 22:31.08 | DWSR | Still looks good though |
| 22:31.15 | Dagmar | Yeah but it's complete bullshit |
| 22:31.24 | Aurorus | how so Dagmar? |
| 22:31.26 | TMc51 | If you go by their description, you should be able to chuck rocks and boulders and have buildings collapse on your enemies. |
| 22:31.30 | Dagmar | Half Life 2 has just about as much "phyics" in it |
| 22:31.39 | Nobgul | Amarande: You should be up and running now. |
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| 22:31.44 | DWSR | lua> local test = { testing = "zomg it works" }; print test[testing]; |
| 22:31.44 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'test' |
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| 22:31.55 | DWSR | huhwat? |
| 22:31.55 | Dagmar | Aurorus: Physics has absolutely nothing to do with the way your character moves, otherwise your arms would tear off |
| 22:32.07 | Dagmar | It's got chunks in the world you can grab and throw at people |
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| 22:32.18 | Dagmar | Whoopity... doopity... do. |
| 22:32.29 | DWSR | Shirik: Can has halp? |
| 22:32.34 | Shirik | eh |
| 22:32.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:32.38 | DWSR | lua> local test = { testing = "zomg it works" }; print test[testing]; |
| 22:32.38 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'test' |
| 22:32.40 | DWSR | ^WAT? |
| 22:32.54 | Dagmar | You might as well call WoW "pokemon-based" because there's monsters you can tame in it. |
| 22:33.02 | Nobgul | lol |
| 22:33.11 | Seerah | DWSR: you didn't put parentheses in for your print call |
| 22:33.15 | Shirik | test[testing] != test["testing"] |
| 22:33.24 | Aurorus | well, in game dev you can move stuff based on 'rules' that you specify - e.g. fall at this rate or projectile flies at another rate. That's rule-based. If you plug a proper physics engine in to the game that makes projectiles describe parabolic paths, that's physics based. |
| 22:33.25 | Seerah | and you will need quotes around it as ^^ |
| 22:33.27 | DWSR | http://www.hung-truong.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/my-pokemans.jpg |
| 22:33.39 | Dagmar | Their fishing is different, but still amounts to something that is somehow even more boring than fishing in WoW |
| 22:33.41 | Aurorus | So do you think it could be a semantic thing, Dagmar ? |
| 22:33.46 | Seerah | test[testing] looks for a variable testing and plugs its value in as the key to lookup |
| 22:33.47 | Shirik | test[testing] says look up variable testing, evaluate it, and use it as the index |
| 22:33.50 | Shirik | hey |
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| 22:33.51 | Shirik | not fair |
| 22:33.58 | DWSR | Shirik: Ah, right, thanks. |
| 22:34.07 | Seerah | Shirik: 1-1 |
| 22:34.08 | DWSR | lua> local test = { testing = "zomg it works" }; print test["testing"]; |
| 22:34.08 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'test' |
| 22:34.19 | DWSR | You still, however, fail miserably. |
| 22:34.22 | Dagmar | Aurorus: Semantics? We're talking about English. This isn't a matter of semantics, but a matter of lying outright. |
| 22:34.23 | Shirik | also some parentheses like Seerah already said would be good |
| 22:34.23 | Seerah | again, parentheses |
| 22:34.27 | DWSR | Slightly less miserably than me. |
| 22:34.27 | Shirik | print is a function not a statement |
| 22:35.01 | Dagmar | Aurorus: The annoying thing is that it's not a _bad_ game |
| 22:35.07 | Dagmar | They didn't need to make up this crap |
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| 22:35.22 | Aurorus | Dagmar: well, as I wrote above, 'physics based' could mean they are using a physics engine to calculate stuff, instead of a simple rule, such as a dampening factor (e.g reduce height by 10% every 1/10th of a second) |
| 22:35.26 | Dagmar | It's basically the sort of thing you'd expect if you were on a PS3 or some other console |
| 22:35.34 | Dagmar | Aurorus: Nope |
| 22:35.43 | Dagmar | It's called opportunistic physics |
| 22:35.49 | Dagmar | Lots of games have it and have had it |
| 22:36.06 | Wobin | Dagmar: As little physics as they can get away with? =) |
| 22:36.32 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah, basically they use physics to make sure the shrapnel rolls across teh ground properly, and that throwing arcs are arcs (wow even Minecraft manages that) |
| 22:36.50 | Dagmar | Everything else is just as welded to the environment as it always was |
| 22:37.37 | Amarande | Nobgul: Nope. It let me log in, attempt to play my hunter, got stuck at a full load bar and then disconnected, and now Launcher can't get patching info again |
| 22:37.44 | Amarande | and claims I need to check MY Internet configuration! what gall |
| 22:38.16 | DWSR | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/e6636741-de12-4f02-9aed-895f2c329fcb.jpg |
| 22:38.59 | Amarande | also, does Windows not come with DirectX anymore? |
| 22:39.09 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:39.10 | DWSR | It does....? |
| 22:39.13 | Amarande | I decided to play DA:O meanwhile and it says it's "installing Microsoft DirectX for Windows" |
| 22:39.17 | Amarande | why does it need to install DirectX again? :S |
| 22:39.20 | DWSR | Oh, all games do hat. |
| 22:39.20 | DWSR | that* |
| 22:39.43 | DWSR | It has to figure out if you're using a compatible version of DX. |
| 22:39.43 | Amarande | or do games mostly still use DX9 (and have to install it) because the market's still dragging their feet with XP? |
| 22:39.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because it's making damn sure you're using the latest bits and pieces |
| 22:39.56 | DWSR | No, most games are on DX10, afaik. |
| 22:40.01 | DWSR | WoW is jumping from 9-11. :D |
| 22:40.03 | DWSR | I is happy. |
| 22:40.07 | Dagmar | Amarande: Keep in mind that Microsoft's idea of versioning for DirectX is more like CVS HEAD |
| 22:40.20 | Amarande | DWSR: Crud. No more high graphics settings without a 400 series then. |
| 22:40.33 | DWSR | Amarande: Actually, it should offer better performance on lower-end cards. |
| 22:40.38 | DWSR | DX11 has sped things up pretty significantly. |
| 22:40.44 | DWSR | DX9 was a fat fucking cow. |
| 22:40.47 | Dagmar | Huh? We're already using the Cata client code as far as I know |
| 22:40.52 | Dagmar | I've got things maxed out on a 9800. |
| 22:40.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not entirely. |
| 22:41.02 | Amarande | will the highest graphics settings be limited to DX11 cards then, settings that used to be available to DX10 cards? |
| 22:41.18 | Fisker | why? |
| 22:41.19 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes. They're going to take your graphics away. |
| 22:41.20 | DWSR | I think they still have some graphics changes to go through, and certainly textures haven't been pushed into the visible game world. |
| 22:41.28 | DWSR | DON'T STEEL MA MEGAHURTZ! |
| 22:41.34 | Fisker | As far as i know WoW is not making use of any D3D11 tech |
| 22:41.58 | DWSR | I thought it was going to? |
| 22:42.17 | Fisker | haven't heard anything like that |
| 22:42.44 | Dagmar | Such changes would be in appropriate for a micro release change |
| 22:42.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: 4.0.3 isn't going to be small. |
| 22:43.49 | Fisker | huh? |
| 22:43.52 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct3D#Direct3D_11 <- |
| 22:44.06 | Fisker | I'm guessing they might use Multithreaded rendering |
| 22:44.09 | DWSR | To all the Githeads, if I create a new branch locally, how can I push it to Github? Just push master? |
| 22:44.11 | Dagmar | dwsr: Already downloded here |
| 22:44.15 | Fisker | that might explain the pretty significant performance boost you get |
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| 22:44.55 | Fisker | 4.0.3 won't be a huge patch |
| 22:45.04 | Fisker | it'll probably be a couple of hundred megs |
| 22:45.48 | Dagmar | If anything, it's liable to make the client smaller because they'll be able to dump the old world zone geometry |
| 22:46.02 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 22:46.20 | Dagmar | They might do some Old Hillsbrad type stuff, but I haven't heard anyone in the beta talking about that |
| 22:46.23 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm hoping. |
| 22:46.38 | Fisker | old hillsbrad is a seperate zone anyway |
| 22:46.44 | Fisker | so no need to keep the "old world" |
| 22:46.54 | Fisker | if an instance warrants it, they'll just include that specific data they need |
| 22:47.27 | Dagmar | Multi-threading in DX is kinda a gimme at this point since something like 70% of us have dual-core machines |
| 22:50.04 | cbreak | I've not worked with anything less than 2 core for ... like eight years. |
| 22:50.08 | cbreak | probably more |
| 22:50.23 | Dagmar | You can go over to Steam and get a lot of metrics about gamers machiens |
| 22:51.00 | Dagmar | I don't imaging the WoW install-base is dramatically removed from that. |
| 22:51.12 | Dagmar | #$%#$%! s/imaging/imagine/ |
| 22:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Play this is agitating me.. how can I run a process in linux under SCHED_IDLE (using only idle CPU time)? |
| 22:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | s/Play/Okay/ |
| 22:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea how that happened :( |
| 22:57.52 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Not sure. I think some of the distributed computing clients may be using it now |
| 22:58.00 | Dagmar | Generally nice +19 gets you pretty close. ;) |
| 22:58.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not close enough |
| 22:58.18 | cbreak | 20 :) |
| 22:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 22:58.52 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: you want it to only run when the pc is idle? |
| 22:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: yes |
| 22:59.01 | Dagmar | http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/sched_setscheduler.2.html |
| 22:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm almost down to... |
| 22:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | doing that |
| 22:59.30 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: Hook it to the system screensave to start with it does |
| 22:59.32 | Nobgul | ? |
| 22:59.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: headless system |
| 22:59.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: you know, in the case of battle.net Stormstrike battlegroup, what AT&T is doing, if that's what they're doing, may not even be legal :| |
| 22:59.52 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: errr |
| 22:59.53 | Amarande | It's in NYC, and according to Wiki - In the United States, New York has established net neutrality as a telecommunications standard (See 16 NYCRR Part 605). |
| 23:00.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Unfortunately, that doesn't have much power outside of New York |
| 23:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: no screensaver as there is no screen, or X running :) |
| 23:00.56 | Dagmar | We're probably going to have to see _clear_ abuses of it before we'll be able to get around the ignorant asshole politicians who want to take bribe money for refusing to codify Net Neutrality |
| 23:01.00 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: yer got that. Make a perl script to run when the pc is at its lowest use? |
| 23:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | The process will be running 24/7, I just want it to be at the mercy of everything else without fail |
| 23:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Even at nice 19, it gets some CPU time at the expense of something else |
| 23:02.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: meanwhile, at this rate cata raiding guilds may have to ask in their application what ISP you have, and if it's not AT&T may refuse you on reliability grounds. :| |
| 23:02.31 | Dagmar | What have you already got running at +19? |
| 23:02.37 | Amarande | because the DC's are getting *increasingly* frequent, and large numbers of people are experiencing them |
| 23:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 23:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is not quite good enough |
| 23:03.08 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: use renice? |
| 23:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: not a matter of nice levels, unfortunately... talking about scheduler classes here, not about niceness levels |
| 23:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | that was a bit redundant, sorry |
| 23:03.53 | Nobgul | hehe |
| 23:04.01 | Dagmar | Well, you're going to have to use the C call then (and possibly check that the symbol exists before you try) |
| 23:04.01 | DWSR | Which scheduler are you using? |
| 23:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: that's what is anoying... we evidently don't have any userspace tools which will do that for me |
| 23:05.44 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: I may be off but couldn't you use : "chrt" |
| 23:06.07 | Nobgul | I think I am going back to my website before i hurt myself thinking =P |
| 23:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: THAT IS IT THANK YOU |
| 23:06.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:06.54 | Nobgul | SCORE! |
| 23:08.03 | Nobgul | now if i coudl connect to wow it would make me happy. |
| 23:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:08.46 | Nobgul | I am in the same boat as Amarande, Raid in a hour and well they are hopeless without me. |
| 23:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, not that the documentation makes any sense at all |
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| 23:10.47 | Amarande | well, I have about an hour and 50 min |
| 23:10.53 | Amarande | but yeah, Sindy is going to go BADLY without me |
| 23:11.19 | Dagmar | It could be worse |
| 23:11.21 | Amarande | Dagmar, do you think it really is the case that I'm no longer going to be able to raid on Charter? |
| 23:11.37 | Amarande | Or play SC2 or Diablo 2 or 3, for that matter? |
| 23:11.41 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: While I am thinking about it, if you are running the processes as a certain user you can use ulimit to place restrictions on all processes spawned by that "user" |
| 23:11.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: Doubt it. Even if the buisness unit are assholes, network engineers hate angry emails |
| 23:12.20 | Dagmar | You should just be glad they didn't contract the same people Notch did for DDoS "protection" |
| 23:12.31 | Amarande | what happened there? |
| 23:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: yeah I am, but I'm also running other stuff under this user that I don't want limited |
| 23:12.43 | Amarande | this guild is going to go really south really fast without me, though |
| 23:12.52 | Amarande | for instance. you can't DO heroic LDW without melee DPS |
| 23:12.57 | Dagmar | Friday night for about six hours, the "DDoS protection" was triggering after the second auth query, and dropping a 5-minute blacklist in at the border gateway. |
| 23:13.01 | Amarande | there are many weeks where I AM THE ONLY MELEE DPS. |
| 23:13.29 | Napoleone | lol anyone got a app or tool that can convert to rgc colorcode in 0-1 format? |
| 23:13.35 | Amarande | I may still be tempted to abandon WoW and go to LOTRO if this keeps up, though. |
| 23:13.38 | Nobgul | ScytheBlade1: Got ya. |
| 23:13.38 | Napoleone | like a colorwheel to select color |
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| 23:13.40 | Dagmar | rgc? 0-1? What? |
| 23:13.47 | cbreak | app? |
| 23:13.51 | Amarande | aright, connected |
| 23:13.54 | cbreak | can't you do basic division? |
| 23:13.55 | Dagmar | Oh you mean as floats instead of hex? |
| 23:13.58 | Amarande | or at least it's at Success! |
| 23:14.00 | Napoleone | rgb |
| 23:14.12 | Napoleone | cbreak i want easy way ;) |
| 23:14.18 | cbreak | division is easy |
| 23:14.32 | Nobgul | Umm |
| 23:14.41 | Napoleone | i know. but like without using photoshop how to find my colors |
| 23:14.42 | Nobgul | do you want to convert a ton of colors or just 1 ? |
| 23:14.43 | Napoleone | ? |
| 23:14.45 | Dagmar | http://www.colorspire.com/rgb-color-wheel/ |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | function RGBtoHex(R,G,B) {return toHex(R)+toHex(G)+toHex(B)} |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | function toHex(N) { |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.26 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.27 | Nobgul | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.27 | Nobgul | } |
| 23:15.31 | Nobgul | oops 0_o |
| 23:15.34 | cbreak | get out of here, spamming moron |
| 23:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Nobgul: ha, finally, got it working. Thanks! |
| 23:15.42 | Nobgul | hides =( |
| 23:15.49 | Nobgul | np ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:15.55 | Dagmar | Well, you did just demonstrate that it's pretty easy to do |
| 23:16.54 | Nobgul | Why do i have the feeling that if cbreak has ops i would have gotten a kick+ban >< |
| 23:16.59 | Nobgul | had* |
| 23:17.26 | cbreak | no |
| 23:24.04 | Nobgul | any luck Amarande? |
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| 23:30.21 | Shirik | nobgul |
| 23:30.31 | Shirik | that has got to be the worst RGBtoHex function I have ever seen |
| 23:31.02 | Shirik | string.format can do all of that for you |
| 23:31.07 | Cide | agreed |
| 23:31.29 | nobgul | Shrug |
| 23:31.31 | Jerub | msoul: nope. |
| 23:32.27 | Cide | function toHex(N) return string.format("%02x", N) end |
| 23:32.32 | Cide | did I win? |
| 23:32.49 | Shirik | you win 1/2 of an internet |
| 23:32.57 | Cide | thank you |
| 23:33.02 | Cide | want to play sc2? |
| 23:33.03 | nobgul | If you can fix my internet you can have the rest |
| 23:33.19 | Shirik | my roommate wants to play |
| 23:33.21 | Shirik | we can do 3v3 |
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| 23:37.17 | Cide | 3v3 isn't as fun :( |
| 23:37.51 | nobgul | Not at all. |
| 23:38.23 | Cide | gonna watch a tv series episode with my gf instead then, didn't feel like playing 3v3 sorry! |
| 23:38.26 | Dagmar | Wow |
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| 23:38.39 | Dagmar | They've discovered a way to turn network latency into money, directly. |
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| 23:38.41 | Dagmar | http://www.fastcompany.com/1700534/why-high-speed-traders-should-set-up-shop-in-siberia |
| 23:40.07 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure we used to do this to take over IRC channels in the 90's |
| 23:40.40 | Xyphoid | am i missing something or does being physically between two servers not help much without laying cable in a straight line between them? |
| 23:40.44 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTGLxjl9fvE&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:41.04 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: That's the point. |
| 23:41.23 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: So, Siberia, by virtue of simply being where it's at, could actually run a self-funding connection |
| 23:41.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the problem is their map does not take into account internet topology |
| 23:42.32 | Napoleone | hmm can one use animated textures? |
| 23:42.55 | Dagmar | No, it takes advantage of gross geographical topgraphy, and it's just a decoration anyway |
| 23:43.11 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: actually it does, if you notice a lot of the points are between New York and London, or in the Mediterranean |
| 23:43.11 | Cide | Napoleone: no. |
| 23:43.11 | Dagmar | But basically, it's the exact same thing we used to do to cause nick collisions on EFnet |
| 23:43.25 | Napoleone | so only blizzard is allowed cool features? |
| 23:43.41 | Cide | blizzard have the same features we do |
| 23:43.41 | Dagmar | You get faster links set up to two servers that are high latency apart from one another and there's race conditions you can exploit |
| 23:44.00 | Napoleone | they onupdate aplha it? |
| 23:44.12 | Cide | there are tons of ways to do it depending on what you want |
| 23:44.22 | Napoleone | hmm some live thing ;P |
| 23:44.30 | Napoleone | my holy power of 3 |
| 23:44.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They see buy orders come from one side that have sell orders below on the other, they can race it to buy the low-priced items, and sell them to the buyer for the markup |
| 23:45.11 | Napoleone | anone jumping to bed.. i might get a sleepy answer ;) |
| 23:46.21 | MentalPower | Napoleone: the animations are either settexcoords tricks, changing textures or 3d models |
| 23:46.26 | Dagmar | I don't know quite how profitable it could be, but it's doable |
| 23:46.32 | MentalPower | the LFG eye is settexcoords |
| 23:46.41 | Napoleone | hmm setvertexcolor could do it aswell |
| 23:46.43 | MentalPower | the minimap arrow is a 3d texture |
| 23:46.48 | Napoleone | on the overlaying texture. |
| 23:47.00 | Napoleone | anyway.. i need that sleep ;P |
| 23:47.03 | Napoleone | cant think straight |
| 23:47.59 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I used to sit with connections on both neosoft and primenet's servers to keep people "pinned" |
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| 23:48.25 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If they changed nicks, I could have my clone on either server take that nick and force a collision disconnect |
