| 00:00.33 | amro | industrial: not a fan of catfights? |
| 00:03.42 | industrial | amro: just the ears/tails .. |
| 00:04.08 | industrial | Arrowmaster: Baccano is pretty good, lots of jumps in time etc. I like that. Makes you think. |
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| 00:04.48 | Arrowmaster | if you ever rewatch it after youll catch a ton of little details because you know the ending |
| 00:05.00 | Hirsute | "/run local eb=ChatFrame1EditBox eb.language = eb.language == 'Common' and 'Dwarvish' or 'Common'" So... I don't think I've ever seen this syntax before (foo = foo == 'bar' and 'bar' or 'baz') How does that actually work? |
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| 00:05.17 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: it doesnt, thats not valid |
| 00:05.18 | amro | Arrowmaster: you're the one who recommended seitokai no ichizon right? |
| 00:05.23 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:05.35 | amro | not sure if I got back to you on that, it's pretty awesome |
| 00:05.38 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Okay, well, that explains why I couldn't figure it out at all. |
| 00:05.44 | Hirsute | I feel a little less stupid now. |
| 00:07.33 | tem | I like the new mmo champion theme once I set my adblocked to hide the curse bar at the top |
| 00:08.25 | industrial | ow shit, another victim? |
| 00:08.30 | industrial | thats so fail :( |
| 00:09.26 | industrial | money money money must be funny in the rich man's world :p |
| 00:10.51 | industrial | it's all about the money it's all about the dum dum dumdudeedum, I don't think it's funny, to see us fade away ... |
| 00:10.52 | Dagmar | Just remember this when society collapses... |
| 00:10.57 | Dagmar | Rich people are delicious. |
| 00:11.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 00:12.20 | netcurse | Thanks tem, we enjoyed working on that redesign :) |
| 00:12.41 | tem | industrial, I don't see it as a victim situation |
| 00:12.52 | foxlit | Heh, it's a 20px bar. It could be much much worse :P |
| 00:13.03 | tem | it's not bad, really |
| 00:13.06 | tem | I just don't want to see it |
| 00:13.10 | tem | so I hid it |
| 00:13.22 | netcurse | That's fine, do what ever you want, this is the internet :) |
| 00:13.45 | tem | now that AT&T ad is going to force me to turn adblock back on |
| 00:13.47 | tem | ah well |
| 00:13.55 | foxlit | The design looks odd to me -- it's not offensive, but it seems rather disjoint |
| 00:14.13 | netcurse | What doesn't feel right? |
| 00:14.34 | foxlit | The green/black color combinations in some cases. |
| 00:14.45 | foxlit | For instance, the "Recent Stuff" headers have a black background |
| 00:14.52 | foxlit | Every other content-like header has a green background |
| 00:15.03 | netcurse | this was a challenge, we needed to keep the green color and make it look profesional |
| 00:15.09 | SqueeG | it "pops"! |
| 00:15.15 | Napoleone | hmm is there a minimum to edgefiles size? |
| 00:15.23 | tem | hmm, I'm not crazy about the DB, Raidcomp and talent calc being "separate" sites |
| 00:15.28 | foxlit | The background image is a bit noisy. |
| 00:15.53 | netcurse | Tem, i personally prefer it to be more integrated but some people don't |
| 00:15.55 | foxlit | And the cataclysm/3.3 button backgrounds on the navbar look weird compared to the rest of it -- it doesn't "feel" like a continuation of the bar. |
| 00:16.04 | taroven | Seerah: Ping |
| 00:16.21 | Seerah | ? |
| 00:16.21 | arkanes | the raid comp is lies anyway |
| 00:16.41 | tem | arkanes, well sure, but that'll get fixed sooner or later |
| 00:16.49 | Seerah | (oven beeped) PM me if you need me :p :) |
| 00:17.02 | tem | Seerah, cook me food |
| 00:17.04 | tem | kthx |
| 00:17.16 | foxlit | Perhaps reorder links on the curse bar so wow-related sites are first -- the order doesn't seem to be particularly significant, and after reading three non-wow sites, I sort of zone out for the ending. |
| 00:17.33 | netcurse | it's alphabetic |
| 00:17.43 | foxlit | "Curse Client > Arena Junkies" |
| 00:17.46 | amro | the new design is sexy |
| 00:17.54 | netcurse | curse is first yes |
| 00:18.09 | foxlit | I suppose the alphabetic chunk starts later, but there's no visual distinction, so I didn't notice :( |
| 00:18.20 | SqueeG | holy crap |
| 00:18.23 | SqueeG | curse uses asp |
| 00:18.38 | netcurse | We don t think it's perfect, we'll keep working on it |
| 00:18.38 | tem | somethinb about performance being better |
| 00:18.47 | tem | which was shocking to me, honestly |
| 00:19.00 | tem | my time spent on asp.net has taught me to never ever go near that shitpile again |
| 00:19.22 | tem | and switching from something as nice as python TO a .net product? unfathomable. |
| 00:19.41 | amro | tem: they're using it so they can abuse LINQ |
| 00:19.45 | amro | which is pretty awesome tbh |
| 00:19.50 | netcurse | we can take patch day on 2 servers now |
| 00:19.58 | SqueeG | i want to learn python >.> |
| 00:20.07 | tem | LINQ is about the only feature of .net that I didn't loathe |
| 00:20.09 | amro | hhssssssssssss |
| 00:20.19 | foxlit | hsss! |
| 00:20.21 | foxlit | hs. |
| 00:20.33 | SqueeG | most net features can be written in a custom library anyhoo |
| 00:20.46 | tem | netcurse, shrug. it just seems to me like there should have been a "better" way to improve performance. |
| 00:20.48 | amro | IEnumerable+extension methods are just too good for words |
| 00:21.24 | tem | There's cutesy ways to run your python that greatly improves performance, but I guess those were tried before throwing away the old code? |
| 00:21.49 | netcurse | we did this |
| 00:21.53 | tem | I saw a project a while back that compiled python into C |
| 00:22.01 | netcurse | 2005 to end of 2006 php |
| 00:22.04 | tem | which looked promising, but I don't know how far along it was |
| 00:22.25 | netcurse | 2007 to mid 2008 in python, and after trying and trying to keep the site up, when we had more than 13 servers |
| 00:22.30 | tem | switching away from php is always a good choice :P |
| 00:22.31 | amro | tem: that doesn't help much if the architecture itself is slow |
| 00:22.33 | netcurse | we made the switch |
| 00:22.49 | netcurse | anyway |
| 00:22.52 | netcurse | it's all about the people |
| 00:22.55 | netcurse | not the langague |
| 00:22.57 | Arrowmaster | netcurse: when are you guys going to move the rest of the stuff away from MySQL too? |
| 00:23.09 | arkanes | using something you already know is generally better than stuff you don't know |
| 00:23.10 | tem | netcurse, that's even more reason not to use .net then >.> |
| 00:23.14 | netcurse | Arrowmaster, that s a question Bryan would know :) |
| 00:23.28 | Shadowed | pretty sure Kaelten is crying |
| 00:23.31 | SqueeG | it's all about who writes it from what i've gathered |
| 00:23.32 | Shadowed | over the idea of having to migrate a DB |
| 00:23.42 | SqueeG | isn't ebay written with php |
| 00:23.46 | SqueeG | or amazon... |
| 00:23.48 | arkanes | no |
| 00:23.50 | arkanes | facebook |
| 00:23.58 | tem | php is the dominant language on the web for sure |
| 00:23.59 | Shadowed | Facebook isn't exactly written in PHP at this point |
| 00:24.00 | arkanes | although not *just* php |
| 00:24.04 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: and not accidentally typing DROP DATABASE; right? |
| 00:24.08 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster exactly |
| 00:24.15 | netcurse | pfff |
| 00:24.16 | SqueeG | and asp isn't *just* asp :p |
| 00:24.19 | netcurse | everyone can make mistakes :p |
| 00:24.24 | Shadowed | Facebook is written with their PHPJITthing |
| 00:24.37 | Shadowed | and I think they did some other custom tweaks to the PHP stuff |
| 00:24.38 | arkanes | the performance characteristics of the thing thats creating your dynamic content is about the least important fact there is in how well you can get your website to perform |
| 00:24.47 | Shadowed | so it's more syntactically PHP |
| 00:25.10 | amro | the problem with php is writing code in it |
| 00:25.10 | tem | SqueeG, asp.net is a black box of M$ "magic" that only ever does that you expect it to ~3 times out of 10 |
| 00:25.15 | arkanes | I lack hard numbers on mmos traffic but I know for a fact that you can server hundreds of thousands of requests a day on less than 13 python servers, but that's me and not whoever was doing the site |
| 00:25.16 | amro | it's not exactly a very productive language |
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| 00:25.37 | arkanes | if you can do what you want in .net, but not in python, switching makes perfect sense |
| 00:25.38 | netcurse | Arkanes the problem was peaks |
| 00:25.39 | SqueeG | tem : it's all about who writes it |
| 00:25.42 | netcurse | not day to day traffic |
| 00:25.53 | arkanes | netcurse: you guys were using django, right? |
| 00:25.57 | netcurse | yes |
| 00:26.02 | arkanes | what web server? |
| 00:26.24 | arkanes | well, probably not that big deal |
| 00:26.31 | arkanes | "aggressive caching" is the thing you want |
| 00:26.32 | netcurse | we had apache at start then lighthttpd i think |
| 00:26.36 | netcurse | then squid before |
| 00:26.41 | netcurse | the web box |
| 00:26.53 | netcurse | for MMO champion we use varnish |
| 00:26.55 | netcurse | for caching |
| 00:27.01 | arkanes | reddit takes it to the point where they basically re-render the whole site every time something changes, and only server static content |
| 00:27.03 | SqueeG | lighthttpd had minimal support whn i used it D: |
| 00:27.07 | SqueeG | it looked really promising too |
| 00:27.11 | SqueeG | i was upset =) |
| 00:27.13 | SqueeG | =(** |
| 00:27.15 | arkanes | why do I keep typing server :\ |
| 00:27.40 | arkanes | anyway, I'm a big python guy (look at my hostmask), and I work with asp.net as well, and I hate asp.net with a passion |
| 00:27.52 | arkanes | but the most important thing that overrides anything else is making something that works |
| 00:28.29 | arkanes | so if you think you can hit your goals in .net, and it's more practical switching than figuring out what you need to do in python, then by all means go for it |
| 00:28.29 | SqueeG | everyone has their preference |
| 00:28.41 | netcurse | right now we use 3 langagues |
| 00:29.09 | Arrowmaster | asp.net, python, and what? |
| 00:29.16 | amro | french |
| 00:29.22 | SqueeG | coldfusion! >=p |
| 00:29.26 | SqueeG | lmao amro |
| 00:29.40 | Arrowmaster | i know you guys use ruby but im not sure if you are counting that |
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| 00:29.50 | SqueeG | they use ruby? |
| 00:29.51 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 00:29.53 | netcurse | curse.com, curse client, wowstead, aionarmory= .net | mmo-c and all other smaller fansites, wowpedia and other wikis in php| wowace/curseforge/sc2mapster and db.mmoc in python |
| 00:30.06 | Arrowmaster | SASL is done in ruby |
| 00:30.16 | Arrowmaster | which is what wowace/curseforge use for css |
| 00:30.19 | SqueeG | what's it run on? |
| 00:31.20 | Arrowmaster | maybe its not SASL, whats that advanced CSS thing they use |
| 00:31.25 | syrae | netcurse: didn't curse.com start out as Django? |
| 00:31.42 | amro | Arrowmaster: SASS |
| 00:31.49 | amro | http://sass-lang.com/ |
| 00:31.50 | netcurse | php with vbul |
| 00:31.59 | Arrowmaster | thats it |
| 00:32.09 | amro | sassy css, fastest way to meet your quota for "s" sounds in a day |
| 00:32.26 | amro | in retrospect, I should have made a python joke |
| 00:34.01 | adys_ | you should should hush and help me out with csx |
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| 00:34.30 | SqueeG | sass isn't built on php? |
| 00:34.45 | amro | heavens no |
| 00:34.54 | amro | awesome things are never made in php |
| 00:35.03 | SqueeG | lies and slander :p |
| 00:35.04 | adys_ | SqueeG, ugh |
| 00:35.55 | adys_ | Sass is nice, too bad it's in ruby :( |
| 00:36.06 | amro | what's wrong with ruby? |
| 00:36.13 | adys_ | nothing |
| 00:36.19 | adys_ | but i cant work with it to modify the damn thing |
| 00:36.22 | SqueeG | it's stuck with rails/ :p |
| 00:36.27 | amro | it's not |
| 00:36.34 | amro | it generates css, on disk |
| 00:36.41 | SqueeG | ?** |
| 00:36.43 | amro | it's not tied to anything |
| 00:37.03 | SqueeG | i know, but you never see ruby with out rails behind it |
| 00:37.11 | adys_ | yes you do |
| 00:37.13 | Arrowmaster | yes you do |
| 00:37.19 | amro | because rails is the most popular ruby application outside of japan |
| 00:37.39 | adys_ | man if your sister was called ruby you've no idea how much I'd be riffing right now |
| 00:38.02 | amro | I know you're dying to make a ruby/python pun |
| 00:38.07 | adys_ | nngngn. |
| 00:38.32 | arkanes | yo site is so heavy, akamai can't even cache it! |
| 00:38.40 | adys_ | bad |
| 00:38.45 | arkanes | I know :( |
| 00:38.46 | SqueeG | AGH |
| 00:38.47 | SqueeG | HOLY SHIT |
| 00:38.58 | SqueeG | haev you ever heard of using wasp spray in place of pepper spray? D: |
| 00:39.20 | adys_ | no, but killing mosquitoes with pepper spray sounds like a new world of torture to me |
| 00:39.22 | adys_ | i like it. |
| 00:39.31 | arkanes | no, but if you're going to do that you may as well use spray paint or hairspray or something |
| 00:39.51 | SqueeG | the local police department recommended to her that she get a can of wasp spray instead." |
| 00:40.03 | SqueeG | The wasp spray, they told her, can shoot up to twenty feet away and is a lot more accurate, while with the pepper spray, they have to get too close to you and , could overpower you. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an antidote. |
| 00:40.32 | Napoleone | can anyone tell me what insets in SetBacdrop is suppose to do.. because no matter what the values are.. nothing is visually happening |
| 00:43.08 | Maldivia | defines the border area |
| 00:44.26 | Maldivia | can't remember if its ignore if you don't have an edge file specified |
| 00:44.38 | Napoleone | trying something atm |
| 00:45.43 | Napoleone | are there a padding option? |
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| 00:46.47 | Napoleone | so i can have the border and then stuff inside. instead of the messages starts at the dead corner |
| 00:46.49 | Maldivia | and insets works fine without a edgefile |
| 00:47.00 | Maldivia | the insets is the padding |
| 00:47.24 | Napoleone | not for my content |
| 00:47.29 | Napoleone | its padding for the BG tex |
| 00:47.37 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 00:47.38 | Napoleone | not for the Scrolling message frame messages |
| 00:47.47 | Maldivia | that has nothing to do with the backdrop |
| 00:48.10 | Napoleone | i know... was asking if there was one that dealth with the rest. |
| 00:49.08 | Maldivia | anchor your message frame x pixels from teh parent frame? |
| 00:49.44 | Napoleone | so you want me to make a parent frame... apply borders to that one and then make the messageframe a tad smaller and put it inside. that one. |
| 00:50.14 | Maldivia | for instance |
| 00:50.20 | SqueeG | lionshead needs to release a fuckin patch! D: |
| 00:50.43 | Napoleone | b&W2? |
| 00:50.51 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 00:50.54 | SqueeG | Fable 3 |
| 01:00.37 | tem | oh god |
| 01:00.51 | tem | the mlg stream needs to stop playing the hotpockets commercial |
| 01:00.55 | tem | I'm hungry |
| 01:05.01 | Napoleone | hmm UnitInParty will always say yes when "player" is inputted. |
| 01:10.44 | Arrowmaster | its not a bool return |
| 01:10.48 | Arrowmaster | its an index |
| 01:14.31 | Napoleone | yeh |
| 01:14.41 | Napoleone | getnumpartymembers |
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| 01:25.03 | SqueeG | ahhh... cats are gross |
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| 01:40.14 | Cide | hi |
| 01:42.43 | Tuller | ho |
| 01:45.01 | Cide | sup nubs |
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| 01:56.53 | adys_ | Cide |
| 01:56.56 | adys_ | stop failing :( |
| 01:57.09 | Cide | says afkdys 2.0 |
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| 02:22.35 | Lulia | I just finished individual unlock for HPW and Soul Shards for my AddOn :D |
| 02:22.45 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-IndividualShard.jpg |
| 02:22.52 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-IndividualHPW.jpg |
| 02:23.09 | Lulia | Which goes with the individual Runes stuff I did first: http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-RunesMovable.jpg |
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| 02:29.32 | Napoleone | whats the template for the close button? |
| 02:30.12 | SqueeG | holy shit that blizzard raid ui is ugly |
| 02:30.26 | Napoleone | i would have 2 tweaks on it.. else i like it alot |
| 02:31.52 | SqueeG | GIANT BLOBS OF GREEN |
| 02:31.54 | Napoleone | Lulia hmm are they drifting icons or just wellplaces frames? |
| 02:32.16 | SqueeG | i have been awarded negative honor points |
| 02:32.28 | Napoleone | lol |
| 02:33.53 | SqueeG | that's hilarious |
| 02:33.55 | SqueeG | every time i die |
| 02:34.08 | SqueeG | it says i have been awarded negative 1 trillion honor points |
| 02:38.38 | Napoleone | LOL |
| 02:38.44 | Napoleone | no wonder i never get any ;P |
| 02:41.15 | SqueeG | xD |
| 02:41.32 | SqueeG | i'll never make up the difference at that rate :p |
| 02:42.00 | Lulia | Napoleone: ? |
| 02:42.05 | Lulia | What do you mean? |
| 02:42.59 | Cairenn | okay, so, having determined that it wasn't Tem that linked it to me .... does anyone recall sending me the link of a rock band video and telling me to watch the drummer? and if you were the person that sent me the link, do you still have it off hand? |
| 02:44.43 | Lulia | Not me :( |
| 02:46.21 | Tuller | my internet powers tell me that such a video exists, and that i've seen it before |
| 02:46.39 | Lulia | :P |
| 02:47.27 | Tuller | is it this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E? |
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| 02:48.58 | Lulia | I've seen that before :P |
| 02:50.00 | Tuller | i assume that's the youtube video though |
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| 02:50.50 | Cairenn | it wasn't that exact video, but it may have been a video of him, yes |
| 02:50.50 | Lulia | There's a lot of good drummer vids out there, I wouldn't be sure. |
| 02:50.51 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
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| 02:52.40 | Arrowmaster | that dude is fucking awesome |
| 02:55.23 | Cairenn | well, while he's definitely pretty damn cool, after watching some more, not sure this is the same one I was thinking of |
| 02:55.31 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwC2o9SCqgc |
| 02:55.33 | Arrowmaster | that one? |
| 02:55.38 | Arrowmaster | same guy |
| 02:55.40 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 02:55.41 | Cairenn | same guy |
| 02:56.30 | amro | he reminds me of Stan from Monkey Island |
| 02:57.55 | Cairenn | Steve is definitely sick, but I don't think he's the one tha I was thinking of |
| 02:58.03 | Arrowmaster | omg in this video he is playing with 3 drum sticks |
| 02:59.31 | Cairenn | As I said, the one I was recalling, the guy was drumming as if he was in the middle of a drumline |
| 03:02.02 | Cairenn | anyway, is all good, thanks anyway guys :) |
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| 03:02.27 | Lulia | :P |
| 03:02.58 | Torhal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z4PKBNzmuo <-- drummer |
| 03:03.08 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 03:03.53 | Cairenn | and yeah, that kid is amazing |
| 03:04.25 | Cairenn | he's 5 ffs ... he's going to be right up there in the list of all time drum legends |
| 03:04.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:05.57 | Lulia | That kid is nuts |
| 03:06.58 | Arrowmaster | hes rocking that bass petal near the end of the song |
| 03:07.39 | Iriel | Speaking of drums I have some rock band 3 fans to earn. |
| 03:07.40 | Iriel | idles. |
| 03:08.05 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 03:08.43 | Lulia | My guitar is broken :( |
| 03:08.51 | Arrowmaster | so i have to ask, is youtube kinda broken for anybody else? stuff like the description boxes wont expand when clicked |
| 03:09.00 | Arrowmaster | my drums are broken :( |
| 03:10.02 | Torhal | Kid has a bunch of videos of different songs |
| 03:10.16 | Torhal | Watching him do Avenged Sevenfold now |
| 03:11.32 | Lulia | Me too |
| 03:11.33 | Lulia | >.> |
| 03:13.25 | Torhal | Hah. He's banging on the KISS drummer's kit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRyis-V6imA&feature=related |
| 03:21.26 | Arrowmaster | ok this is just epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2x7Gc0YzLk |
| 03:25.41 | Torhal | Dayum |
| 03:30.15 | batrick | So when did this massive server migration happen |
| 03:30.23 | batrick | rampage is no longer in dallas |
| 03:30.30 | batrick | it's in chicago |
| 03:31.08 | Dagmar | Easier to keep the servers cool with bribe money |
| 03:38.37 | batrick | god i hate people who derail threads in lua-l |
| 03:39.01 | batrick | now the lua 5.2 work5 thread has devolved into a cryptography 32bit vs 64bit argument |
| 03:39.04 | batrick | awesome. |
| 03:44.18 | Cairenn | Okay, Tuller, you were correct. It is, in fact, Steve Moore that I had been thinking of. It was just a matter of finding the right video. So, thank you. :) |
| 03:48.34 | Gnarfoz | link it, then! :D |
| 03:50.29 | Cairenn | this is the one that had orginially been linked to me by (whoever) and in it you see a lot more of the 'drumline' styple playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4gkrEiRf6Q&NR=1 |
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| 03:53.23 | Cairenn | particularily around time stamp 0:30 ish |
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| 04:22.48 | RJohn | http://vindictus.nexon.net/intro/?PARTNERKEY=MK017SVG0281090 |
| 04:22.52 | RJohn | misstake |
| 04:23.30 | Dagmar | Don't worry. You'll figure it out when you hit level 15. |
| 04:23.55 | Dagmar | Your screen will be bombarded with a bunch of messages at once, one of which is "The grind starts now, bitches" |
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| 04:28.50 | Lulia | Woo, just added the first stage to custom images for my AddOn :D |
| 04:29.42 | Lulia | I started by making a custom image for the Eclipse bar to show how it could be done: http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-CustomEclipseNormal1.jpg |
| 04:29.42 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-CustomEclipseNature1.jpg |
| 04:29.42 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-CustomEclipseArcane1.jpg |
| 04:29.45 | Lulia | Not bad? :D |
| 04:30.15 | MentalPower | not bad at all |
| 04:31.00 | Lulia | The image itself was thrown together really quickly, I still prefer my default Eclipse bar |
| 04:31.06 | Lulia | I'm really excited though |
| 04:31.14 | Lulia | The AddOn is coming together well |
| 04:31.23 | Cairenn | yay |
| 04:32.16 | Lulia | ? |
| 04:32.44 | Cairenn | that you're excited and that it's coming together well :) |
| 04:33.18 | Lulia | :) |
| 04:33.35 | Lulia | Have you seen some of the other images of the new features? |
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| 04:38.00 | Sixen | ~seen bluspacecow |
| 04:38.07 | purl | bluspacecow <~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 4h 16m 15s ago, saying: 'http://pastey.net/142302 == weird !!!!'. |
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| 05:07.38 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwHvNFW3I8#t=1m21s |
| 05:07.45 | Shirik | This is probably one of the best lines I've ever heard said in an anime |
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| 05:24.56 | ccox | I do love the ammunition salesmen standing around with nothing to sell.... |
| 05:24.57 | Napoleone | what part. the pudding shit? |
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| 05:40.32 | Shirik | yes Napoleone |
| 05:53.09 | Shirik | um |
| 05:53.10 | Shirik | wtf http://www.wowhead.com/npc=24324 |
| 05:55.45 | Napoleone | that was just crazy ;p |
| 05:55.54 | Napoleone | hmm working on a recognizing channels. |
| 05:56.09 | Napoleone | Listchannels() with the Chat_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST event |
| 05:56.48 | Napoleone | it returns it as one long string.. how to i seperate the string by [] identifier |
| 05:56.55 | Napoleone | [*] |
| 05:58.11 | Napoleone | returns "[1. General - Ferelas] [3. LocalDefense - Ferelas] |
| 05:58.15 | Computerpunk | ORLY? |
| 05:58.18 | Napoleone | i want to see if trade is on the list or not |
| 05:59.09 | Corrodias2 | i do miss barrens chat |
| 06:00.01 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 06:01.48 | Napoleone | Shirik wowprogramming is listing that event wrong |
| 06:01.55 | Napoleone | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST |
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| 06:29.42 | warz | hi all. ive been browsing wowwiki trying to find this information, but where do addons store their settings variables and stuff? im just trying to locate the coordinates, size and stuff of this persons pitbull settings |
| 06:30.01 | warz | so i can mimic them without having to load in his entire pitbull settings |
| 06:30.13 | Iriel | In the WTF folder, under the account |
| 06:31.28 | warz | hrm ok. is it going to be in one of the files named after the Pitbull itself, or is it going to be in one of these SavedVariables files? |
| 06:31.41 | warz | i was looking in some lua files but those are just lua code, i guess |
| 06:31.44 | Napoleone | open pitbull toc |
| 06:31.52 | Napoleone | and see what the # SavedVariables are |
| 06:31.58 | Iriel | All of the saved variables ARE just code |
| 06:32.04 | Napoleone | guess its called the same as the mod ;P |
| 06:33.51 | Computerpunk | Napoleone, uhm, unsafe to do that. |
| 06:33.57 | Computerpunk | To be called same as the mod. |
| 06:34.12 | Computerpunk | Cause, when you init the mod, you do blabla = {} |
| 06:34.16 | Computerpunk | Therefore deleting all previous data. |
| 06:34.26 | Computerpunk | use yourModDB as name |
| 06:34.34 | Napoleone | ye |
| 06:34.52 | Napoleone | well i got some globals i'm not even using yet ;P |
| 06:35.41 | warz | idk. i was just hoping i could locate like the x/y coordinates and size/scale, etc, of these pitbull windows in this persons config files. |
| 06:36.15 | Iriel | You might want to look at the location cache |
| 06:37.01 | Napoleone | hmm what event can i use to make sure that when i HS and stuff it check what channels I'm in |
| 06:37.07 | Iriel | layout-cache.txt |
| 06:39.41 | warz | hrm i can only find layout-local.txt, and it has no mention of pitbul. |
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| 06:45.03 | Napoleone | elseif (event == "CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE") and (arg1 == "SUSPENDED") and (arg8 == 2) then |
| 06:45.08 | Napoleone | this is correct setup right |
| 06:45.17 | Napoleone | becuase this line breaks the middle argument |
| 06:46.59 | warz | hrm i might have found it |
| 06:51.19 | warz | sweet it worked |
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| 07:04.24 | dmp1314 | what program do u use for making addons |
| 07:04.32 | Napoleone | notepad |
| 07:04.35 | Napoleone | context |
| 07:04.54 | dmp1314 | Addon Studio isnt helpful? |
| 07:05.29 | a-stray-cat | vim is all you need :o |
| 07:05.49 | Napoleone | stuff that isnt complete and up to par is not healthy |
| 07:06.11 | a-stray-cat | but thats not to say something like addon studio wouldn't be potentially helpful |
| 07:06.30 | Napoleone | vim? |
| 07:06.52 | a-stray-cat | what about it? |
| 07:06.59 | Napoleone | it is? |
| 07:07.06 | a-stray-cat | you dont know what vim is D: |
| 07:07.12 | a-stray-cat | its a text editor |
| 07:07.14 | Napoleone | naa suing context ;P |
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| 07:07.48 | dmp1314 | I agree on that Napoleone, but how do u "get to know" the libraries with a Notepad, Notepad++, Vim kind of program, dunno if u know what I mean |
| 07:08.27 | a-stray-cat | look at other people's addons |
| 07:08.34 | a-stray-cat | and figure out what they're doing |
| 07:08.49 | a-stray-cat | also, look at blizzard's ui code |
| 07:09.09 | a-stray-cat | wowpedia's wow api pages are also damn useful |
| 07:09.31 | dmp1314 | thanks for the info |
| 07:09.42 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 07:09.42 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 07:10.57 | a-stray-cat | neat, i've been away for a long time and didn't know that cladhaire'd written a book :O |
| 07:11.13 | Cairenn | 2nd version is out, has been for a bit now |
| 07:11.27 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 07:22.49 | ZorbaBeta | man, fuck oldworld quests |
| 07:22.59 | ZorbaBeta | let's see how many zones we can spread this quest chain across |
| 07:23.34 | ZorbaBeta | dmp, yeah, a text editor is all you need for code. other tools can be helpful, but the wow environment doesn't permit much of that |
| 07:29.42 | dmp1314 | I guess I got addicted too much of IntelliSense :P |
| 07:30.06 | MoonWitch|Sleep | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:30.17 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch|Sleep |
| 07:30.25 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 07:30.29 | MoonWitch | alright |
| 07:33.58 | Hirsute | Heh. While I didn't take this picture, I do ride past one of these exact signs every morning on the way to work right now. http://laist.com/attachments/lindsayrebecca/AtwaterVillage_SpeedHumps.jpg |
| 07:35.04 | MoonWitch | thanks to the entire nil debate I kinda realized I might want to first learn how to program before going for really complex addons |
| 07:35.39 | Hirsute | And sometimes even after you learn to program, you don't want to go after the really complex addons. |
| 07:36.29 | MoonWitch | I just know that I only know the basics |
| 07:36.34 | MoonWitch | and I think that's my core issue |
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| 07:36.58 | MoonWitch | (I am not too big to admit my own limitations, which is a very dangerous thing in this channel) |
| 07:38.05 | a-stray-cat | nil debate? |
| 07:39.06 | MoonWitch | flowy had a question, he had 3 conditions that had to be specific in when the entire function had a true value |
| 07:39.50 | MoonWitch | and that lead us to nil not being true and actually not being false and xor etc |
| 07:40.04 | MoonWitch | it was extremely confusing for me :P But I did learn some good things |
| 07:40.54 | a-stray-cat | i rather like nil in lua |
| 07:41.01 | a-stray-cat | its pretty convenient for a lot of things |
| 07:41.13 | Hirsute | Was this another logic discussion? Fun, those. |
| 07:41.27 | Computerpunk | lua> t = { nil, nil, nil, nil } print(#t) t2 = { nil, nil, nil, nil, 1 } print(#t2) |
| 07:41.31 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 0, 5 |
| 07:41.33 | Computerpunk | hmm |
| 07:41.35 | Computerpunk | o_O |
| 07:41.49 | MoonWitch | whut? |
| 07:41.56 | Computerpunk | lua> t = {} t[5] = 1 print(#t) |
| 07:41.57 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 0 |
| 07:42.01 | Computerpunk | and I'm off. |
| 07:42.02 | Computerpunk | wat. |
| 07:43.00 | Hirsute | I think that's more an artifact of how #table works, and how lua tables in general work. |
| 07:43.54 | MoonWitch | I don't get how it gets to returning 1 |
| 07:44.45 | MoonWitch | uhm 0 |
| 07:44.46 | a-stray-cat | lua > t {} t[1]=true t[2]=true print(#t) t[1]=nil print(#t) |
| 07:44.52 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 07:44.55 | a-stray-cat | lua> t {} t[1]=true t[2]=true print(#t) t[1]=nil print(#t) |
| 07:44.56 | lua_bot | a-stray-cat: luabot:1: attempt to call global 't' (a nil value) |
| 07:45.05 | a-stray-cat | lua> t={} t[1]=true t[2]=true print(#t) t[1]=nil print(#t) |
| 07:45.05 | lua_bot | a-stray-cat: 2, 2 |
| 07:45.06 | a-stray-cat | adjdjf |
| 07:45.12 | Hirsute | t={} |
| 07:45.14 | a-stray-cat | interesting, how does # work |
| 07:45.31 | MoonWitch | nvm the #t is supposed to give the number of entries in t? |
| 07:45.56 | Hirsute | Well, I don't think that's precisely it. One moment. |
| 07:47.03 | a-stray-cat | what a wierd operator |
| 07:47.45 | a-stray-cat | lua> t={} t[1]=true t[2]=true print(#t) t[1]=nil t[2]= nil t[3] = 1 print(#t) |
| 07:47.46 | lua_bot | a-stray-cat: 2, 0 |
| 07:48.32 | a-stray-cat | so, this is fine according to the manual haha |
| 07:48.55 | a-stray-cat | lua> t={} t[1]=true t[2]=true print(#t) t[1]=nil t[2]= nil t[3] = 1 print(table.maxn(t)) |
| 07:48.55 | lua_bot | a-stray-cat: 2, 3 |
| 07:50.05 | a-stray-cat | #t will give you any index i where t[i + 1] = nil and t[i] ~= nil, so it can be 0 or 3 :/ which it gives you is undefined |
| 07:50.09 | a-stray-cat | (in my table case) |
| 07:50.35 | a-stray-cat | er, and can give 0 if t[1] = nil :/ so wierd |
| 07:53.38 | Hirsute | lua> local t = {'1',nil,'2','3',nil,nil,'4',nil'} print(#t) t[4] = nil print(#t) |
| 07:53.38 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 07:53.48 | Hirsute | lua> local t = {'1',nil,'2','3',nil,nil,'4',nil} print(#t) t[4] = nil print(#t) |
| 07:53.48 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 4, 1 |
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| 08:27.43 | MoonWitch | let's go check if the house is empty :) |
| 08:28.19 | MoonWitch | (yes, a weekend alone - though thanks to our proximity with mothers niece (aka she can look straight into the house) there won't be much mischief) |
| 08:31.13 | olafski | oO |
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| 08:51.44 | amro | that last sentece looks like an S-expression MoonWitch |
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| 09:01.22 | mikma | leveling with priest. mainspec is shadow, and offspec... what to pick? |
| 09:01.34 | mikma | holy, or discipline. idea is to heal in instances if needed |
| 09:01.42 | olafski | I doubt it'll matter that much |
| 09:02.14 | mikma | both are equally good when needing to heal? |
| 09:02.43 | olafski | while leveling I'd say so.. at least at low levels |
| 09:02.57 | olafski | they each have their strengths of course but I don't think you'll notice that |
| 09:03.07 | olafski | just make sure you have plenty of water with you :) |
| 09:03.11 | mikma | lvl70 |
| 09:05.00 | olafski | hm.. just look at both trees and see what looks fun to you =) |
| 09:05.09 | olafski | holy heals, disc tries to prevent damage |
| 09:05.22 | mikma | then who will take care of the healing, lolz |
| 09:05.45 | olafski | :< |
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| 09:07.07 | Fisker | jerks |
| 09:07.36 | olafski | says the ret pala :( |
| 09:10.05 | olafski | hm I just had elementals phase out when I reached them too .. |
| 09:10.21 | Fisker | ownt |
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| 09:11.46 | olafski | hm or maybe it just despawned |
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| 09:30.09 | Wobin | mikma: pick disc |
| 09:30.22 | Wobin | even as disc, you can level |
| 09:30.30 | Wobin | cause nothing gets through the shields |
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| 09:45.38 | arkanes | being disc is like being on star trek, man |
| 09:46.03 | arkanes | worg attack fleet detected captain! Shields up! |
| 09:46.12 | arkanes | arm smite torpedos! |
| 09:50.49 | zenzelezz | reverses the polarity on arkanes' shields |
| 09:54.53 | Fisker | pees |
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| 09:58.49 | Fisker | hey EthanCentaurai |
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| 10:20.22 | airtonix | i made disco |
| 10:20.27 | airtonix | you suck fisker |
| 10:21.13 | airtonix | large brass ones |
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| 10:32.13 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: whats wrong with that event page? |
| 10:38.09 | Fisker | airtonix is gonna die today jnwhiteh |
| 10:38.30 | airtonix | LARGE SWEATY GLISTENING PULSATING ONES |
| 10:39.05 | airtonix | fisker, did you know brass sweats ? |
| 10:40.46 | Fisker | i will kill you airtonix |
| 10:40.50 | Fisker | that's what i know |
| 10:41.18 | airtonix | You'll be too busy gobbling hairy brass ones |
| 10:41.39 | airtonix | I doubt you can ninja with a mouth full of brass |
| 10:41.42 | Fisker | die die die |
| 10:44.13 | Cairenn | okay guys, enough, seriously |
| 10:45.31 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ok. |
| 10:49.57 | MoonWitch | now that I've stopped being nauseas ... |
| 10:50.00 | MoonWitch | thanks Cairenn ;) |
| 10:50.23 | mikma | just another normal day in wowuidev |
| 10:51.40 | MoonWitch | indeed |
| 10:51.45 | MoonWitch | is rooting her Legend |
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| 10:57.52 | olafski | my gf has bought some apps on her ipod touch, but now she wants to use another pc for itunes.. is it possible to get itunes to recognise that she bought those apps and not erase them / make her buy them again? |
| 10:58.06 | olafski | not really on topic here but I figured some people might have an apple device :) |
| 10:58.19 | mikma | yeah, don't. |
| 10:58.27 | mikma | LOL :=O |
| 10:58.50 | Fisker | hehe olafski |
| 10:58.58 | mikma | http://philosophistry.com/scans/2010/lol-face.jpg |
| 10:59.17 | Thrae | Count Baltar - WE REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CYLONS. |
| 11:00.15 | MoonWitch | the one part in BSG I hated ... Baltar |
| 11:00.37 | MoonWitch | honestly, he's ****ing thin air ... no one notices something strange with that dude? |
| 11:02.33 | Fisker | sounds mean MoonWitch |
| 11:05.03 | MoonWitch | Personally, I would have vented him from an airlock |
| 11:05.07 | MoonWitch | but that's just me |
| 11:05.39 | zenzelezz | I liked that they kept a character like him around |
| 11:07.31 | zenzelezz | if I wanted to strangle someone, it'd be Roselyn (spelling?) |
| 11:08.50 | MoonWitch | roslin |
| 11:09.10 | MoonWitch | yeah she got on my nerves too |
| 11:09.25 | MoonWitch | honestly I actually liked the cylons more than the humans |
| 11:09.33 | MoonWitch | for consistency sake alone.. lol |
| 11:10.09 | MoonWitch | is terrified she just bricked her legend |
| 11:10.33 | jnwhiteh | i doubt you bricked it |
| 11:10.37 | jnwhiteh | that's actually pretty hard to do |
| 11:10.38 | jnwhiteh | whats going on? |
| 11:10.41 | MoonWitch | am rooting it |
| 11:10.51 | MoonWitch | the htc branded bs got me mightily annoyed |
| 11:10.57 | MoonWitch | namely the lockscreen and peep |
| 11:11.05 | MoonWitch | just want a pure android on it |
| 11:11.09 | jnwhiteh | fair enough |
| 11:11.12 | jnwhiteh | are you using unrevoked? |
| 11:11.20 | MoonWitch | no clue to be honest |
| 11:11.28 | MoonWitch | am going with a goldcard thing here |
| 11:11.36 | jnwhiteh | oh no. |
| 11:11.40 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:11.45 | MoonWitch | but based on my bootloader here - I haven't a choice |
| 11:11.56 | MoonWitch | 0.43.001 |
| 11:12.08 | MoonWitch | your oh no scares me |
| 11:12.38 | jnwhiteh | just saying goldcard not the easiest method |
| 11:12.42 | jnwhiteh | should still be fairly risk free |
| 11:12.50 | jnwhiteh | unless you are changing the bootloader, you should be fine |
| 11:12.54 | jnwhiteh | if you are, just be careful =) |
| 11:12.59 | MoonWitch | pray ;) |
| 11:14.08 | MoonWitch | so far so good |
| 11:14.14 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:14.15 | MoonWitch | I take it you're using an android phone? |
| 11:14.22 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 11:14.29 | jnwhiteh | isn't legend vodafone exclusive? |
| 11:14.33 | MoonWitch | recommend a good twitter client with widget? |
| 11:14.41 | jnwhiteh | I use Touiteur |
| 11:14.44 | MoonWitch | am in Belgium :) So no simlocks etc here |
| 11:14.57 | jnwhiteh | gotcha :P |
| 11:15.09 | jnwhiteh | i just thought it was the only carrier that got that phone, is what I meant |
| 11:15.13 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 11:15.15 | jnwhiteh | like the silver hero was orange exclusive =) |
| 11:15.16 | jnwhiteh | at least in the UK |
| 11:15.23 | MoonWitch | I've got the Silver Legend |
| 11:15.23 | jnwhiteh | my fiancé is in ghent right now :P |
| 11:15.28 | MoonWitch | oh cool |
| 11:15.38 | MoonWitch | you should come over too :) |
| 11:15.59 | jnwhiteh | hehe, I couldn't justify making the trip this time, he's in a hackathon all day, so not worth me paying to come out to sit and play on my computer |
| 11:16.03 | jnwhiteh | at a hackathon for not what I do :P |
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| 11:17.05 | MoonWitch | well I am almost done here :) *crosses fingers* |
| 11:17.23 | MoonWitch | so basically he's where my ex-colleagues are |
| 11:17.38 | MoonWitch | could I persuade him to punch them in the face and then kick them in the nuts? |
| 11:18.02 | MoonWitch | is searching for a custom rom now :) |
| 11:18.13 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 11:18.21 | jnwhiteh | cyanogenmod if anyone's compiled it. |
| 11:18.24 | jnwhiteh | onvi |
| 11:18.25 | jnwhiteh | obvi |
| 11:18.28 | MoonWitch | kk |
| 11:18.35 | MoonWitch | and yes xda has it for legend :) |
| 11:18.54 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 11:18.58 | jnwhiteh | then use rom manager |
| 11:19.00 | jnwhiteh | it'll be easier |
| 11:19.15 | jnwhiteh | or do whatever it says to do :P |
| 11:19.16 | MoonWitch | does it have sense? Because that's what I want out |
| 11:19.31 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 11:19.32 | jnwhiteh | its stock android |
| 11:19.37 | jnwhiteh | compiled from AOSOP |
| 11:19.38 | MoonWitch | there is a god |
| 11:19.41 | jnwhiteh | AOSP rather |
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| 11:27.37 | MoonWitch | only thing I'm noticing right now is no connection to my cell network |
| 11:27.41 | MoonWitch | lol that's all\ |
| 11:31.07 | Fisker | i had an idea jnwhiteh |
| 11:32.15 | jnwhiteh | I enjoy ideas |
| 11:32.24 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: data or phone? |
| 11:32.42 | MoonWitch | phone and data |
| 11:32.46 | MoonWitch | wifi's fine :P |
| 11:32.52 | jnwhiteh | that's odd |
| 11:33.02 | jnwhiteh | it should pick up the phone signal without anything, that's just sim based |
| 11:33.04 | MoonWitch | naah, it may be my carrier changing |
| 11:33.06 | jnwhiteh | data can rely on APN being set |
| 11:33.18 | MoonWitch | number portage thingie |
| 11:33.24 | MoonWitch | had it yesterday too |
| 11:33.28 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 11:33.37 | MoonWitch | if it's not sorted later today, I'm going to call em and bitch a bit |
| 11:33.46 | MoonWitch | (I am not a walk in the park for tech support folks) |
| 11:36.23 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh |
| 11:36.33 | jnwhiteh | anyway. |
| 11:36.34 | Fisker | I would buy like one of those expensive high performance antennas |
| 11:36.45 | Fisker | and then i would jam every wifi signal in range |
| 11:36.49 | Fisker | great idea right? |
| 11:37.06 | jnwhiteh | depends |
| 11:37.19 | jnwhiteh | are we talking raspberry or strawberry jam?> |
| 11:37.30 | Fisker | wifi jam |
| 11:37.44 | jnwhiteh | that doesnt' sound very tasty =/ |
| 11:38.09 | mikma | oh my |
| 11:38.12 | mikma | fisker got trolled |
| 11:38.16 | Fisker | it isn't tasty jnwhiteh |
| 11:38.19 | Fisker | no mikma |
| 11:38.22 | mikma | ~jnwhiteh++ |
| 11:38.25 | Fisker | trolling = upsetting his victim |
| 11:38.27 | Fisker | i don't get upset |
| 11:38.38 | mikma | that's your definition for it |
| 11:38.42 | Fisker | no |
| 11:38.42 | mikma | and by all means, keep it |
| 11:38.51 | Fisker | that's the actual definition for it |
| 11:38.57 | mikma | by you |
| 11:39.01 | Fisker | no |
| 11:40.05 | MoonWitch | well let's hope cyanogen looks sweet and meets my expectations :) |
| 11:40.14 | MoonWitch | and jnwhiteh thank you for reassuring me :) |
| 11:40.20 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:40.35 | MoonWitch | this is actually (once rooted) easier than flashing a winmo rom |
| 11:41.17 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:41.22 | jnwhiteh | unrevoked is super easy rooting as well |
| 11:41.26 | jnwhiteh | just only for some phones |
| 11:41.57 | MoonWitch | which one do you have? (I really wanted the HTC Desire HD though) |
| 11:42.07 | Alram | Galaxy S > all |
| 11:42.20 | jnwhiteh | psh. |
| 11:42.22 | jnwhiteh | Nexus One > all |
| 11:42.25 | jnwhiteh | amirite Fisker |
| 11:42.35 | jnwhiteh | Google supported phone wins :P |
| 11:42.40 | MoonWitch | nexus one is unavailable here to my knowledge |
| 11:42.41 | Alram | the fact that you ask Fisker means you know nothing! |
| 11:42.58 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: I imported one for Fisker =) |
| 11:43.13 | MoonWitch | that works? |
| 11:43.22 | MoonWitch | as in -- that would work in Belgium too? |
| 11:43.23 | MoonWitch | damn |
| 11:43.25 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:43.31 | jnwhiteh | its just not 'cheap' |
| 11:43.55 | jnwhiteh | you have to pay duty |
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| 11:44.17 | MoonWitch | it worked like a charm :) |
| 11:44.38 | Flowyk | lua> table = { 0 = zero }; return table.0 |
| 11:44.39 | lua_bot | Flowyk: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 11:45.16 | jnwhiteh | 0 is not a valid identifier |
| 11:45.19 | MoonWitch | though i only seem to be missing the app launcher (it like vanished) |
| 11:45.20 | jnwhiteh | you can't do that with numbers |
| 11:45.26 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: ... |
| 11:45.33 | Flowyk | lua> table = { [0] = "zero" }; return table[0] |
| 11:45.33 | lua_bot | Flowyk: zero |
| 11:45.39 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: how so? |
| 11:45.46 | Flowyk | is it array table? |
| 11:45.51 | jnwhiteh | no its not |
| 11:46.01 | jnwhiteh | an 'array' table must begin at [1] |
| 11:46.02 | Flowyk | because its 0? |
| 11:46.15 | jnwhiteh | if you want an 'array' table, use table.insert and table.remove |
| 11:46.18 | jnwhiteh | that way you can't screw it up |
| 11:46.26 | nevcairiel | he can |
| 11:46.33 | mikma | yeah |
| 11:46.34 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:46.41 | Flowyk | how? :D |
| 11:46.47 | mikma | you can fuck up things pretty easily with table[x] = nil xD |
| 11:46.48 | Xinhuan | hmm i never considered this, does lua error if you pass nil in to table.insert |
| 11:47.11 | nevcairiel | lua> t = {}; table.insert(t, nil) |
| 11:47.12 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: No output |
| 11:47.12 | Mikk | lua> table.insert({}, nil) |
| 11:47.12 | lua_bot | Mikk: No output |
| 11:47.16 | nevcairiel | apparently not |
| 11:47.39 | Flowyk | if you insert nil on end of table its still same table |
| 11:47.46 | Mikk | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, nil) table.insert(t, "ho") print(#t) |
| 11:47.47 | lua_bot | Mikk: 2 |
| 11:47.48 | jnwhiteh | indeed :P |
| 11:48.01 | nevcairiel | it appears to just not do anything |
| 11:48.01 | Mikk | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, nil) table.insert(t, "ho") print(t[1], t[2]) |
| 11:48.01 | lua_bot | Mikk: hi, ho |
| 11:48.06 | Mikk | oho it does nothing |
| 11:48.12 | Computerpunk | fu backtracking :< |
| 11:48.21 | Computerpunk | I hate it, it hates me. |
| 11:48.28 | Flowyk | what is it? |
| 11:48.34 | Xinhuan | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, "ho") table.insert(t, 2, nil) print(t[1], t[2], t[3]) |
| 11:48.34 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: hi, nil, ho |
| 11:48.37 | Xinhuan | AHA |
| 11:48.38 | Wobin | it's like backtracing |
| 11:48.50 | Xinhuan | so it can break |
| 11:48.51 | olafski | but with an extra k |
| 11:48.56 | Computerpunk | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, "ho") table.insert(t, 2, nil) print(#t) |
| 11:48.56 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: 1 |
| 11:49.00 | Computerpunk | ._. |
| 11:49.05 | Mikk | eeeek |
| 11:49.14 | Computerpunk | it only counts until nil is found |
| 11:49.15 | Computerpunk | it seems |
| 11:49.36 | Flowyk | its way how array table works ... |
| 11:49.51 | Xinhuan | i admit i was just debunking clad's "that way you can't screw it up" :P |
| 11:49.57 | Mikk | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, nil, nil) table.insert(t, "ho") print(t[1], t[2]) |
| 11:49.57 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'insert' (number expected, got nil) |
| 11:50.06 | Fisker | hey Mikk |
| 11:50.11 | Mikk | fiskey! |
| 11:50.55 | Mikk | lua> t={} table.insert(t, "hi") table.insert(t, 2, nil) table.insert(t, "ho") print(t[1], t[2]) |
| 11:50.55 | lua_bot | Mikk: hi, ho |
| 11:51.31 | Fisker | hey Mikk |
| 11:51.35 | Flowyk | table.insert(t,"this") / t[#t] = "this" |
| 11:51.36 | Fisker | you wound me |
| 11:51.39 | Flowyk | what is better for cpu? |
| 11:51.47 | Mikk | Flowyk: t[#t] = "this" |
| 11:51.52 | Flowyk | why |
| 11:52.01 | Mikk | fook knows why, it just is faster, i tested it |
| 11:52.01 | nevcairiel | because mikk said so |
| 11:52.11 | Flowyk | ok |
| 11:52.20 | nevcairiel | or just ask fook, he knows |
| 11:52.25 | Mikk | ^ |
| 11:52.27 | Flowyk | who is fook |
| 11:52.39 | Mikk | uhoh this is going to be one of those days |
| 11:52.54 | Fisker | omg Mikk you got trolled!1 |
| 11:52.57 | nevcairiel | You must've missed our fun with him over the last weeks |
| 11:53.06 | Mikk | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fook |
| 11:53.13 | Wobin | lua> t = { 1, 2, 3}; t[2] = nil; table.insert(t, 4); print(t[1], t[2], t[3], t[4]) |
| 11:53.14 | lua_bot | Wobin: 1, nil, 3, 4 |
| 11:53.27 | Wobin | lua> t = { 1, 2, 3}; t[2] = nil; table.insert(t, 4); print(t[#t]) |
| 11:53.27 | lua_bot | Wobin: 4 |
| 11:53.37 | Mikk | argh |
| 11:53.51 | Mikk | yeah don't insert nils into arrays folks, it stubs the brain |
| 11:54.22 | Mikk | lua> t = { 1, 2, 3}; t[2] = nil; table.insert(t, 4); print(#t) |
| 11:54.22 | lua_bot | Mikk: 4 |
| 11:54.23 | jnwhiteh | indeed :P |
| 11:55.04 | Wobin | actually |
| 11:55.11 | Flowyk | lua> t = { 1, 2, 3}; t[2] = nil; table.insert(t, 4); print(t[1], t[2], t[3], t[4]) |
| 11:55.11 | Mikk | lua> t = { 1, 2, 3, 4, 5}; t[4] = nil; print(#t) |
| 11:55.11 | lua_bot | Flowyk: 1, nil, 3, 4 |
| 11:55.11 | lua_bot | Mikk: 5 |
| 11:55.14 | Flowyk | ??? |
| 11:55.17 | Wobin | table.insert(t, "this") ~= t[#t] = "this" |
| 11:55.22 | Flowyk | if you insert nil on position 2 |
| 11:55.27 | Flowyk | its end of array table |
| 11:55.35 | Flowyk | why it insert 4 on position 4 |
| 11:55.38 | jnwhiteh | Ooh new 'Android' theme for Gmail! |
| 11:55.50 | mikma | gegegeee |
| 11:55.51 | Wobin | because lua arrays are one based? |
| 11:56.13 | Mikk | Flowyk: yeah it isn't predictable like that. you want to nil out everything starting from the end |
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| 11:56.33 | Mikk | Wobin: table.insert(t, "this") ~= t[#t] = "this" <--- why? |
| 11:56.46 | jnwhiteh | table.wipe(tbl) |
| 11:56.48 | jnwhiteh | that is all |
| 11:56.48 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:56.49 | Wobin | [table.insert(t, "this")] ~= [t[#t] = "this"] |
| 11:56.57 | Mikk | Why? |
| 11:57.05 | Fisker | i don't believe you jnwhiteh ? |
| 11:57.15 | Xinhuan | because one overwrites the last entry |
| 11:57.18 | Xinhuan | the other adds a new entry |
| 11:57.21 | Mikk | COUGH |
| 11:57.27 | MoonWitch | you know, jnwhiteh, that torch option .. widget .. DO NOT LOOK INTO THER DAMN LIGHT |
| 11:57.30 | Wobin | what xin said |
| 11:57.31 | MoonWitch | (I am blinded now) |
| 11:57.36 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: definitely not |
| 11:57.42 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: add the 'night mode' render effect widget |
| 11:57.43 | Mikk | table.insert(t, "this") == t[#t+1] = "this" <--- that's right =) |
| 11:57.45 | jnwhiteh | full of win |
| 11:57.52 | Wobin | yes =) |
| 11:58.23 | Fisker | how do you new theme jnwhiteh ? |
| 11:58.34 | Mikk | i find it amusing that it took a while for a whole channel of Lua "wizards" to catch it =) |
| 11:58.35 | Wobin | you https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/oeljdmeofcikjblcoehpmdnooimalbmj |
| 11:58.37 | Wobin | and install |
| 11:58.42 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: its on gmail, just go to themes |
| 11:58.46 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: I was talking about the gmail theme |
| 11:58.47 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:58.48 | jnwhiteh | not the chrome theme |
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| 11:58.52 | Wobin | oh |
| 11:58.56 | Fisker | i thought you meant a theme on android for the gmail app |
| 11:59.10 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:59.10 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:59.18 | Wobin | Mikk: =P I saw it right away! |
| 12:00.03 | Mikk | wobin teh wonderdog to the rescue :D |
| 12:00.04 | MoonWitch | going for smoke and trying to locate android market :P |
| 12:00.20 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: did you not flash the google apps? |
| 12:00.24 | jnwhiteh | it won't be there unless you do |
| 12:00.37 | Wobin | has bad mental images now =P |
| 12:01.06 | Mikk | google's "app" is so small that you can't see it unless you flash it? |
| 12:01.35 | jnwhiteh | O.o? |
| 12:02.17 | Mikk | wobin & mikk > jnwhiteh, clearly |
| 12:02.37 | Mikk | hint hint "flashing someone" |
| 12:03.37 | Mikk | sigh, tough crowd today, too |
| 12:03.44 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 12:04.03 | Wobin | night all! =) |
| 12:04.08 | Mikk | niters wob |
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| 12:08.30 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 12:08.34 | jnwhiteh | should I digital upgrade |
| 12:08.38 | jnwhiteh | or find a box somewhere |
| 12:08.51 | Fisker | sucks if you're UK atleat |
| 12:08.54 | Fisker | atleast* |
| 12:09.00 | jnwhiteh | why so? |
| 12:09.14 | Fisker | it's £30 last i heard? |
| 12:09.17 | jnwhiteh | ooh eu battle.net community site up |
| 12:09.17 | jnwhiteh | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/derwydd/ |
| 12:09.20 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: yeah, that's RRP |
| 12:09.33 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I can get it for as cheap as £24, but then I have to deal with delivery and installation |
| 12:09.35 | mikma | jnwhiteh: came up yesterday or so |
| 12:09.51 | Fisker | i heard it was more like £15-20 |
| 12:10.08 | Fisker | as far as i know £30 is usually equal to a 50€ title |
| 12:10.34 | Fisker | but if the money isn't an issue then obviously the digital upgrade |
| 12:11.09 | jnwhiteh | the cheapest I see it on froogle.co.uk is £18.95 at 'Gameswop' |
| 12:11.12 | jnwhiteh | which is not a site I'd trust |
| 12:11.22 | jnwhiteh | 21.99 at "The Game Collection" |
| 12:11.27 | jnwhiteh | and other than that, it's about 25 |
| 12:11.37 | jnwhiteh | so dunno where you heard 15-20 from :P |
| 12:11.54 | Fisker | people QQ'ing over the digital upgrade price :) |
| 12:12.17 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard charges their RRP, that's not surprising.. they can't hurt retailers too much |
| 12:12.34 | Fisker | no i know :) |
| 12:12.53 | jnwhiteh | http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=eu&server=Emerald%20Dream&name=Derwydd |
| 12:12.58 | jnwhiteh | ooh I broke 2.8k! |
| 12:13.04 | nevcairiel | amazon has it for the same price here, and i don't trust some small cheap shop to deliver it reliably on time :p |
| 12:13.24 | jnwhiteh | I never know whether amazon is goign to want a signature or not |
| 12:13.30 | Fisker | eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/fiskerdin/ |
| 12:13.54 | nevcairiel | all deliverys want a signature here, it just doesnt have to be mine |
| 12:14.02 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/fiskerdin/ with http etc. |
| 12:14.11 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yeah, I just don't want to sit at home waiting for it =) |
| 12:14.17 | jnwhiteh | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diablo-III-PC-Mac-DVD/dp/B0030DH9R6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1289045642&sr=8-3 |
| 12:14.17 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 12:14.20 | jnwhiteh | already up for pre-order |
| 12:14.27 | nevcairiel | get digital, you know when you'll get it hen =) |
| 12:14.30 | nevcairiel | then* |
| 12:14.44 | jnwhiteh | i mainly just don't need the box. |
| 12:14.47 | jnwhiteh | and with the streaming client |
| 12:14.48 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:15.01 | jnwhiteh | although I suppose there are still quite a few assets included on the DVD |
| 12:15.10 | jnwhiteh | so mauybe its worth grabbing it in town on the day of. |
| 12:15.21 | nevcairiel | assets? what assets? |
| 12:15.29 | jnwhiteh | files =) |
| 12:15.32 | jnwhiteh | stuff I wouldn't have to download |
| 12:15.38 | jnwhiteh | the movies, if nothing else |
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| 12:15.48 | nevcairiel | you can download the stuff before release, whenever you have bandwidth to spare |
| 12:16.01 | jnwhiteh | but if I have to reinstall, a DVD gives me a good head-start, no? |
| 12:16.19 | Fisker | just backup your copy of WoW |
| 12:16.23 | nevcairiel | probably, if you ever have to |
| 12:16.37 | jnwhiteh | fair point |
| 12:16.42 | jnwhiteh | well I'd have to pay shipping with amazon |
| 12:16.51 | jnwhiteh | bringing the price dangerously close to the £29.99 price point :P |
| 12:17.11 | unfo- | jnwhiteh, depends on your bandwidth -- blizzard gives you a custom installer that is usually up to date, where as the dvd is of course out-of-date |
| 12:17.15 | nevcairiel | i stopped thinking about shipping years ago and just got prime =/ |
| 12:17.27 | jnwhiteh | I had prime |
| 12:17.28 | jnwhiteh | it ran out |
| 12:17.34 | jnwhiteh | and now that I have a kindle, I'm not sure i need it anymore |
| 12:17.38 | unfo- | jnwhiteh, i for example re-installed wotlk and the installer i downloaded from battlenet was closer to the live version than dvd |
| 12:17.48 | nevcairiel | I wish kindle would start having more non-english books |
| 12:17.55 | nevcairiel | i would get it then |
| 12:18.10 | olafski | the head start is negligible I'd say =( |
| 12:18.11 | jnwhiteh | unfo-: but that's just the client, that's the easy stuff.. its the art assets that are useful |
| 12:18.11 | Mikk | 5-10 euros is totally worth it - having it installed & ready to go @ midnight |
| 12:18.16 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.21 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: yeah |
| 12:18.22 | Fisker | you have to download like 10GB to bring it to cataclysm |
| 12:18.22 | olafski | my gf installed wow yesterday, she could log in within 1 minute after starting the installer |
| 12:18.28 | unfo- | jnwhiteh, ah. in that regard sure |
| 12:18.29 | Fisker | a new cataclysm install is only 12GB download or so |
| 12:18.41 | jnwhiteh | unfo-: that's more what I meant |
| 12:18.43 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: that's it? |
| 12:18.49 | unfo- | jnwhiteh, kk. misunderstood :) |
| 12:18.59 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: because I believe that's with all the assets from WoTLK copied over, or no? |
| 12:19.02 | nevcairiel | its 15gb including the cataclysm pre-load |
| 12:19.11 | nevcairiel | fresh download |
| 12:19.15 | Fisker | the folder is |
| 12:19.25 | Fisker | the installer says 10,6GB i believe |
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| 12:19.56 | nevcairiel | thats what mine said, then i logged in once, and it realized i have all this expansions (before it only downloade classic and BC it looked like), and i got 5gb more |
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| 12:20.37 | Fisker | 12,41GB actually |
| 12:20.42 | jnwhiteh | well upgrade done =) |
| 12:20.53 | jnwhiteh | unfortunately, the background downloader eats Mac OS X |
| 12:20.57 | nevcairiel | login once, and you can start downloading cataclysm content |
| 12:21.09 | nevcairiel | not through background downloader, but the streaming client |
| 12:21.21 | Fisker | oh yeah you has mac os x jnwhiteh |
| 12:21.23 | jnwhiteh | oh, good |
| 12:21.48 | nevcairiel | its only 600mb'ish so far |
| 12:21.49 | jnwhiteh | only 700 megs to download |
| 12:21.53 | jnwhiteh | not bad. |
| 12:22.02 | nevcairiel | they said cinematics will come with a later badge |
| 12:22.40 | Fisker | not gonna be that much bigger i think |
| 12:22.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:22.58 | nevcairiel | there probably isn't that much new data in there anyway. Alot of the new stuff, all the shattered zones etc, are either already in, or are coming with 4.0.3 |
| 12:23.03 | jnwhiteh | now to play minecraft |
| 12:23.45 | Fisker | btw |
| 12:23.55 | Fisker | Cataclysm will be smaller after it launches |
| 12:24.10 | Fisker | because the new world is already in the game |
| 12:24.22 | Fisker | so they'll probably be removing some of the old data |
| 12:24.29 | nevcairiel | yeah those oldworld mpqs will probably vanish |
| 12:24.35 | frontendloader | You think they're just going to delete perfectly good art assets? |
| 12:24.37 | frontendloader | CRAZY TALK |
| 12:28.28 | frontendloader | how else are they going to have a gigantic flashback quest line and make old world azeroth accessible through CoT |
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| 12:44.30 | Mikk | frontendloader makes a good point :> |
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| 12:52.25 | olafski | oh man, every time I do something with itunes I feel my dislike for apple products reaffirmed =) |
| 12:57.52 | Fisker | i'm acting surprised |
| 13:00.13 | MoonWitch | jnwhiteh: I just cooked my own rom >.< |
| 13:00.22 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:02.53 | haste | I've yet to cook my own rom! |
| 13:03.00 | haste | I've done some kernels tho' |
| 13:03.40 | frontendloader | kernel sander's romen nandoodles |
| 13:04.08 | Mikk | haha actually interesting idea.. making literally ALL of old world azeroth accessible through a dungeon :P |
| 13:04.19 | nevcairiel | that would be kidna neat |
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| 13:04.23 | nevcairiel | but not happening |
| 13:04.28 | Mikk | (which obviously wouldn't be a dungeon, more like a portal to a second set of world servers) |
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| 13:09.44 | MoonWitch | haste : http://cookmyrom.se/ I am not as advanced as you and jnwhiteh are :P |
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| 13:10.34 | haste | oh :D |
| 13:10.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.56 | haste | hope I get my DHD soon |
| 13:11.00 | foxlit | inspiring. |
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| 13:13.41 | MoonWitch | Desire HD? |
| 13:14.00 | MoonWitch | sobs on jnwhiteh shoulder screaming 'why .. why' |
| 13:14.35 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 13:15.49 | MoonWitch | haste ordered a DHD |
| 13:17.54 | MoonWitch | oh yeah jnwhiteh there are a few things in Cyanogen I dislike, like their choice of launcher :) |
| 13:18.03 | jnwhiteh | so change it? |
| 13:18.07 | jnwhiteh | you can download launcherpro if you'd like |
| 13:18.10 | jnwhiteh | i happen to like adw |
| 13:18.16 | MoonWitch | and the fact that it's horrible to get my provider set up decently |
| 13:18.17 | adys_ | Cide! |
| 13:18.18 | olafski | foxlit: I also had some elementals despawn on me.. did you find a "fix"? |
| 13:18.25 | adys_ | WHERE'S CIDE >:( |
| 13:19.07 | foxlit | olafski: no, it smells of a timer despawn, actually. |
| 13:19.20 | foxlit | I ended up finding a situation in nagrand where they were fighting some NPCs. |
| 13:19.27 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: what does that even mean 'get my provider set up decently' |
| 13:19.42 | foxlit | If I was phased, the NPCs would still be fighting, but everything reset a few seconds after I approached. |
| 13:19.48 | olafski | hmm |
| 13:19.54 | olafski | I have had it in two zones |
| 13:19.56 | jnwhiteh | cyanogenmod is _the_ standard. you won't find better, you'll just find different. |
| 13:20.09 | MoonWitch | my provider uses another provider, but if settings of prov2 are in the phone - the actual one wont work |
| 13:20.13 | olafski | one was at X:10, apparently they despawn after 10 minutes so that was ok.. but the second was at X:01 |
| 13:20.16 | foxlit | olafski: if you're visiting zones where nobody is around, it's more likely that you'll see it |
| 13:20.27 | olafski | yer I was in hinterlands the first time, nobody around |
| 13:20.27 | foxlit | It really does look like a lazy despawn. |
| 13:20.28 | MoonWitch | also where the heck is the market -- been looking all over this rom :P |
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| 13:20.31 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: data or phone? |
| 13:20.32 | jnwhiteh | dude. |
| 13:20.34 | jnwhiteh | It's in the google apps |
| 13:20.38 | jnwhiteh | which I told you to flash a while ago =) |
| 13:20.46 | jnwhiteh | you get no google apps without flashing it.. that's google's decision |
| 13:20.54 | jnwhiteh | it should be linked from whatever thread you installed from |
| 13:21.10 | nevcairiel | what flashing are we talking about anyway |
| 13:21.20 | MoonWitch | data |
| 13:21.22 | jnwhiteh | also, I still have no idea what you mean by setting up providers. The tower that your phone associates with is completely up to the SIM, and you can select that in the network providers setting |
| 13:21.28 | jnwhiteh | if its data, then set the APNs |
| 13:21.32 | MoonWitch | and right ,, i know I forgot something |
| 13:21.35 | jnwhiteh | and contribute to the master APN list so yours can be added if they're not |
| 13:21.43 | jnwhiteh | its the same as it is on any ROM or phone |
| 13:21.48 | jnwhiteh | if the APNs aren't there, they need to be added |
| 13:22.02 | jnwhiteh | there are stock ROMs that don't ship with the right APNs for the country they're shipped to |
| 13:22.08 | jnwhiteh | has nothign to do with the ROM really |
| 13:22.15 | jnwhiteh | given that you can add them trivially |
| 13:28.00 | Fisker | i just bought an ipad from germany jnwhiteh |
| 13:28.32 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 13:28.39 | Fisker | got you! |
| 13:28.47 | Fisker | omg lol i trolled you |
| 13:30.31 | haste | MoonWitch: yes, desire hd |
| 13:31.10 | Fisker | that sucks haste |
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| 13:33.46 | haste | Fisker: it does |
| 13:35.00 | Fisker | what did you have before? |
| 13:36.56 | haste | htc magic |
| 13:37.02 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:37.15 | haste | abusing a samsung galaxy s atm tho' |
| 13:38.17 | Fisker | i want gingerbread jnwhiteh |
| 13:38.19 | Fisker | when can we have it? |
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| 13:42.23 | haste | later this month possibly |
| 13:42.29 | haste | wonder how the new samsung will be |
| 13:42.38 | haste | might just cancel my DHD order if it's decent |
| 13:45.12 | Fisker | last i heard the battery in the Desire HD is kind of terrible |
| 13:45.57 | haste | I'm used to running 2.2 on my magic |
| 13:46.07 | haste | as long as it's better than that; I'm pleased |
| 13:46.20 | haste | it lasts about 1.5 day currently |
| 13:47.00 | jnwhiteh | it'll be worse |
| 13:47.02 | jnwhiteh | acutally |
| 13:47.39 | jnwhiteh | the newer devices have not much larger batteries and much larger displays and faster cpus =) |
| 13:47.42 | jnwhiteh | less battery life, sadly |
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| 13:50.07 | Fisker | also isn't they using the same "no-hacking"-trick as with the G2? |
| 13:50.15 | Fisker | might be some time before you see undervolted kernels |
| 13:50.58 | Fisker | maybe one should sue htc so we can see just how quick we can get the source code |
| 13:51.05 | A-KO | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:398311_-_Harag_Worgen_World_of_Warcraft_night_elf.jpg < lol, nsfw btw :P |
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| 13:51.38 | Dagmar | What the hell is wrong with people |
| 13:51.46 | Fisker | so wowwiki went the porn route to keep people? |
| 13:51.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:52.07 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sexuality |
| 13:52.09 | Dagmar | rofl |
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| 13:54.01 | Dagmar | Looks like Lsimm14 has been pretty busy |
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| 13:58.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: sorry about the gapps thing, it wasnt included in the instructions so i totally forgot about it after thinkering |
| 13:58.26 | jnwhiteh | no skin off my bac =) |
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| 13:58.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i've got this phone 24hrs ago, that should prove to be a valid excuse :P |
| 13:58.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | - 've |
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| 13:59.33 | MoonWitch|Mobile | now onto my next task -- finding a cata download so I can skip the installation on time :P |
| 14:01.15 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yes i've got it all ordered, but i fear for the belgian postal system. It has failed me in the past |
| 14:01.32 | MoonWitch|Mobile | also that APN list -- I am changing mie to persist through recoveries |
| 14:01.41 | MoonWitch|Mobile | s/mie/mine |
| 14:01.47 | Xinhuan | just edit launcher.wtf and config.wtf and change installtype from LK to CT |
| 14:02.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it then dls the entire thing> |
| 14:02.55 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ? |
| 14:05.37 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 14:05.46 | Xinhuan | this was posted by a blue |
| 14:05.48 | Xinhuan | so its legal |
| 14:05.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | awesome :) |
| 14:05.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I love you now |
| 14:15.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yep - now i'm truly happy with the phone |
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| 14:25.47 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ps google goggles = funny |
| 14:27.41 | adys_ | nevcairiel, have you ever used httplib? and if so, have you ever used it in a thread-safe environment |
| 14:28.04 | nevcairiel | neither |
| 14:28.26 | adys_ | Bah |
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| 14:45.28 | Cide | hi |
| 15:07.17 | arkanes | httplib is entirely threadsafe, although threading it doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 15:07.44 | Mikk | calling it from different contexts in different threads certainly does |
| 15:07.53 | arkanes | not really, no |
| 15:07.57 | adys_ | i think i misspoke |
| 15:08.04 | arkanes | there's better ways to do concurrent networking |
| 15:08.34 | Mikk | blinks |
| 15:08.45 | adys_ | I got a long polling connection with a server which lasts 55 seconds |
| 15:08.49 | Mikk | not if the data you want to request happens to reside on an http server |
| 15:08.52 | adys_ | and Im having trouble threading it |
| 15:09.18 | Mikk | okay i'll butt out since it seems we're talking about different things :P |
| 15:09.29 | arkanes | Mikk: threading is a poor way to do concurrent IO |
| 15:09.37 | adys_ | Cide, lick my face and help me out |
| 15:09.42 | arkanes | Mikk: especially in python, and especially with http |
| 15:09.59 | arkanes | if you really want threads for some reason, using libcurl is better than threading httplib |
| 15:10.07 | arkanes | but async io is best |
| 15:10.21 | adys_ | im porting pycurl specifically. |
| 15:10.26 | adys_ | pycurl code that is |
| 15:10.37 | arkanes | adys_: I can't think of any particular reason why you'd have trouble with a long poll connection that doesn't affect shortpoll one |
| 15:10.39 | Mikk | mmm i was more thinking like... a web server.. with pages written in python... reaching out to somewhere to get data |
| 15:10.46 | arkanes | Mikk: yeah |
| 15:10.48 | arkanes | Mikk: don't thread that |
| 15:10.58 | Mikk | well each page would likely sit in a different thread |
| 15:11.04 | arkanes | absolutely not |
| 15:11.06 | Mikk | eh |
| 15:11.11 | Cide | if you're doing it in python |
| 15:11.13 | Cide | do forks |
| 15:11.14 | arkanes | ever |
| 15:11.27 | arkanes | thread per request is the worst possible thing you can do if you're writing a server |
| 15:11.44 | Cide | especially in python |
| 15:11.47 | Cide | gil <3 |
| 15:11.50 | arkanes | it's a massive hard cap on your scalability and performance, and it's at least as much work to get right as using event driven async io to start with |
| 15:12.17 | Mikk | mmm we're probably coming from different directions on this |
| 15:12.26 | arkanes | possibly! |
| 15:12.34 | arkanes | but I write and maintain these kind of things for a living |
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| 15:12.50 | Mikk | if a script has to wait for something, i'd expect it to be threaded |
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| 15:12.58 | arkanes | and that is incorrect |
| 15:13.06 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: that only applies if you're talking operating systems threads |
| 15:13.14 | jnwhiteh | which is where languages like Python and friends get it wrong =) |
| 15:13.17 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: weeelll |
| 15:13.29 | Cide | don't thread python servers tho |
| 15:13.34 | Cide | gil is gonna fuck you up |
| 15:13.38 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 15:13.39 | arkanes | the gils not the problem |
| 15:13.43 | jnwhiteh | use a language with real fucking concurrency |
| 15:13.44 | arkanes | not when it comes to networking |
| 15:13.45 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:13.45 | Cide | it is too |
| 15:13.49 | arkanes | no, it isn't |
| 15:13.50 | Cide | fork instead |
| 15:13.52 | Mikk | i'll expound on it... "i'd expect it to yield processing so that another script can get some work done" |
| 15:13.57 | Mikk | but yeah i dont do python |
| 15:14.01 | arkanes | Mikk: sure |
| 15:14.10 | Cide | look up any python webserver implementation, they all do forks |
| 15:14.13 | arkanes | Mikk: and threading is one way to do that, but not the only one, and not a very good one when it omes to IO |
| 15:14.15 | jnwhiteh | This is why Erlang, Go and Rust are all so powerful =) |
| 15:14.19 | Cide | psh |
| 15:14.20 | arkanes | Cide: that's entirely untrue |
| 15:14.24 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 15:14.48 | arkanes | python webservers use poll and epoll and kqueue, just like anything else |
| 15:14.49 | Cide | jnwhiteh: using the opportunity to both bash on python AND push your own clique-y languages |
| 15:14.53 | arkanes | or select(), if they're nasty |
| 15:14.56 | Cide | shrug |
| 15:15.07 | jnwhiteh | Cide: they're not clique-y languages. .they're languages with sane concurrency PRIMITIVES |
| 15:15.09 | Cide | I don't have the technical experience to back it up so I'll believe you |
| 15:15.13 | jnwhiteh | web server = concurrent |
| 15:15.16 | jnwhiteh | right tool for the right job |
| 15:15.18 | Cide | I know |
| 15:15.20 | jnwhiteh | = language with concurrency |
| 15:15.22 | jnwhiteh | I don't hate on python |
| 15:15.23 | arkanes | Cide: I do in fact have a lot of technical expertise in this area |
| 15:15.27 | Cide | I know |
| 15:15.28 | jnwhiteh | but I would NEVER use it for a concurrent application |
| 15:15.39 | Mikk | and yeah i totally realize the problem with e.g. Apache |
| 15:15.40 | Cide | don't worry jnwhiteh |
| 15:15.43 | arkanes | does Go actually have concurrency now? |
| 15:15.43 | Cide | I was just koking |
| 15:15.45 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, you'd use Go |
| 15:15.46 | Cide | also joking |
| 15:15.46 | adys_ | :3 |
| 15:15.50 | Cide | but koking is preferable |
| 15:15.53 | jnwhiteh | adys_: or Rust, or Erlang |
| 15:15.55 | adys_ | Aw arkanes |
| 15:15.55 | jnwhiteh | as I said |
| 15:16.03 | adys_ | I wanted to be the first to bring Go to the discussion! |
| 15:16.03 | jnwhiteh | a language with sane concurrency primitives =) |
| 15:16.08 | adys_ | i smelled it coming from a mile away |
| 15:16.09 | jnwhiteh | adys_: failblog |
| 15:16.13 | arkanes | well, last i checked they had the primitives but they didn't actually have a scheduler |
| 15:16.13 | jnwhiteh | it was already broughten up |
| 15:16.17 | adys_ | oh |
| 15:16.18 | adys_ | ffs :( |
| 15:16.20 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: ... |
| 15:16.21 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: no? |
| 15:16.23 | adys_ | WELL FINE, im going out. |
| 15:16.25 | Cide | GO |
| 15:16.25 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: this was a while ago |
| 15:16.34 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: erlang has _ALWAYS_ had it |
| 15:16.37 | arkanes | sure |
| 15:16.39 | jnwhiteh | Rust is shit, admittedly |
| 15:16.41 | arkanes | I was talking about Go :P |
| 15:16.45 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 15:16.59 | arkanes | erlang has a pretty great scheduler |
| 15:16.59 | jnwhiteh | well i dont' care what language you use, just that it fits the requirements |
| 15:17.15 | Mikk | arkanes: i'll also point out that i've actually written a miniature "OS" with threading & scheduling.. but not processes. so i'm not exactly lost in the implications. |
| 15:17.15 | jnwhiteh | I did a case study on web server architecture in Go, so I'm most familiar with that |
| 15:17.20 | jnwhiteh | but I've done plenty with the others as well =) |
| 15:17.30 | arkanes | adys_: but getting back to the topic, can you tell what problem you're seeing specifically? |
| 15:17.32 | Mikk | but i'll merrily agree that i don't know the costs associated with e.g. threading vs forking for.. ooh.. python =) |
| 15:17.44 | Kalroth | python sux lol |
| 15:17.45 | adys_ | arkanes, I just need to thread the thing. but ill brb 20 min |
| 15:17.45 | arkanes | Mikk: the same as with anything else, fundamentally |
| 15:17.52 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: for this, you could use python greenlets without much cost at all |
| 15:17.59 | arkanes | forking and threading are basically the same concept |
| 15:18.12 | Mikk | yes and no |
| 15:18.14 | arkanes | the important difference is that threads share address space |
| 15:18.18 | Mikk | idd |
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| 15:18.38 | Mikk | which would seem like win to me - not having to duplicate loads of data needlessly |
| 15:18.40 | arkanes | there's some implementation details that may or may not lead to a higher cost involved in creating them, but in both cases they are ultimately scarce resources |
| 15:18.47 | Kalroth | arkanes: it depends a lot on the platform too, on Windows you'd rather thread than fork, opposite for unixes |
| 15:18.56 | arkanes | Mikk: fork has been copy on write since the 70s |
| 15:18.56 | Mikk | ^ also true |
| 15:19.11 | arkanes | Mikk: in fact until relatively recently, threads on linux were actually implemented as forks |
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| 15:19.52 | arkanes | from a conceptual standpoing, where you're modelling the correctness of your program and logic, threading and forking are the same thing |
| 15:20.10 | airtonix | broughten? |
| 15:20.15 | airtonix | broughted ? |
| 15:20.16 | Mikk | mmm i tend to think of threading being cheaper than creating new processes |
| 15:20.17 | arkanes | you still have to share data, you still have to identify what you're sharing and where, you still have to identify locks |
| 15:20.18 | airtonix | betterer ? |
| 15:20.21 | jnwhiteh | no, I meant brought-en |
| 15:20.22 | arkanes | Mikk: people do, but thats not important |
| 15:20.26 | airtonix | gooderer ? |
| 15:20.48 | jnwhiteh | just use a concurrent language and not have to bother with any of this shit =) |
| 15:20.51 | jnwhiteh | ok, i'm done. |
| 15:20.55 | airtonix | fisker, you've been fiskerered |
| 15:21.01 | arkanes | the problem doesn't magically go away if you use Go |
| 15:21.08 | jnwhiteh | I'm not talking about using Go |
| 15:21.08 | Mikk | yeah err see that concurrent language isn't going to let me push several million packets per second :P |
| 15:21.09 | Cide | no need if your performance requirements don't demand it, jnwhiteh |
| 15:21.12 | arkanes | or erland ;) |
| 15:21.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm talking about using a concurrent language |
| 15:21.22 | jnwhiteh | and yes, some of those problems do go away |
| 15:21.23 | arkanes | concurrency is hard to model |
| 15:21.26 | jnwhiteh | dude. |
| 15:21.26 | airtonix | performs advanced concurrent fiskerings on fisker |
| 15:21.27 | Mikk | i'm kinda stuck with C & chunks of assembly :P |
| 15:21.28 | jnwhiteh | just stop |
| 15:21.30 | jnwhiteh | I do this for my living. |
| 15:21.31 | Kalroth | rewrite apache webserver in Go imo |
| 15:21.34 | Cide | so do I |
| 15:21.37 | arkanes | so do I |
| 15:21.42 | airtonix | i jsut did |
| 15:21.42 | jnwhiteh | you research concurrent software architecture? |
| 15:21.43 | arkanes | hooray we can all be friends |
| 15:21.43 | jnwhiteh | because I do |
| 15:21.45 | Cide | no |
| 15:21.52 | arkanes | no, I write concurrent programs |
| 15:21.59 | Cide | but I use concurrent servers and develop concurrent web apps |
| 15:22.01 | arkanes | research is part of it |
| 15:22.09 | jnwhiteh | well the way its being done today is wrong |
| 15:22.14 | Cide | in theory, yes |
| 15:22.14 | jnwhiteh | that's not my claim, its just the truth |
| 15:22.16 | Cide | but it works |
| 15:22.21 | Cide | unless you're facebook |
| 15:22.24 | arkanes | I entirely agree that threading is a poor concurrency primitive |
| 15:22.37 | arkanes | and that you should use better ones to write programs with |
| 15:22.49 | Mikk | blinks |
| 15:22.51 | Cide | regardless |
| 15:22.54 | jnwhiteh | people think concurrency is hard, and it does not need to be |
| 15:23.00 | Arrowmaster | brain explodes |
| 15:23.03 | arkanes | that doesn't mean that designing concurrent architectures instantly becomes trivial |
| 15:23.05 | Cide | possibly agreed |
| 15:23.05 | jnwhiteh | its hard to do it the way 'the industry' does it now |
| 15:23.08 | airtonix | IT"S ROCKET SCIENCE! |
| 15:23.09 | arkanes | concurrency *is* hard |
| 15:23.11 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: no, designing the architecture is difficult |
| 15:23.13 | jnwhiteh | hence my PhD |
| 15:23.18 | airtonix | wOAH! |
| 15:23.20 | Cide | still, jnwhiteh |
| 15:23.21 | jnwhiteh | it does not need to be |
| 15:23.23 | airtonix | JUST HOLD ON A MINUTE |
| 15:23.27 | Cide | you do not need massive concurrency for every application ever |
| 15:23.29 | arkanes | it is fundamentally difficult to model the interactions of concurrent stuff |
| 15:23.36 | Kalroth | Cide: soon you will |
| 15:23.42 | Cide | if you don't using less suited languages is *perfectly fine* |
| 15:23.52 | Cide | and often you gain in productivity instead |
| 15:24.02 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 15:24.04 | Mikk | or umm... performance! |
| 15:24.10 | arkanes | I don't like terms like "less suited languages" |
| 15:24.11 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:24.13 | Kalroth | with dual/quad cores being the standard, your application has to be super simple to ignore concurrency |
| 15:24.14 | jnwhiteh | I get plenty of performance, thanks |
| 15:24.19 | jnwhiteh | there's so much bullshit being flung around right now =) |
| 15:24.21 | Kalroth | (talking desktop here) |
| 15:24.24 | Mikk | because there's no less-suited language than asm/C :P |
| 15:24.24 | Cide | I'm not talking bullshit |
| 15:24.25 | arkanes | you need good primitives |
| 15:24.34 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say you're talking bullshit |
| 15:24.39 | Cide | just making sure |
| 15:24.40 | arkanes | that's not inherently a language issue |
| 15:24.41 | airtonix | i'm a good primitive |
| 15:24.42 | jnwhiteh | I'm saying that its being flung around in general, and some just hit me in the eye |
| 15:24.45 | jnwhiteh | so I should probably go shower |
| 15:24.47 | Cide | lol |
| 15:24.48 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: SMP has been the standard on servers for a long time |
| 15:24.49 | Cide | go for it |
| 15:24.54 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: I have never once said the language was the issue. |
| 15:24.58 | jnwhiteh | the concurrency model IS |
| 15:25.00 | jnwhiteh | fact. |
| 15:25.00 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: yes, Cide did |
| 15:25.07 | Cide | I did? |
| 15:25.10 | Mikk | someone did |
| 15:25.13 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Sure, but they (usually) aren't made for simple applications :) |
| 15:25.18 | airtonix | retrieves his dictionary |
| 15:25.30 | Cide | I said python threading is worse than python forking in general |
| 15:25.42 | Mikk | oh yeah this got started with httplib and python threading :D |
| 15:25.43 | arkanes | Cide: you were talking about "less suited languages" |
| 15:25.44 | jnwhiteh | and python greenlets beats them both =) |
| 15:25.49 | Cide | arkanes: naturally |
| 15:25.51 | Mikk | so wth is a greenlet? |
| 15:25.56 | jnwhiteh | lightweight thread |
| 15:26.03 | arkanes | Mikk: a greenlet is a cooperatively scheduled userspace thread |
| 15:26.09 | jnwhiteh | N:M threading model, where M is 1 in the cast of Python =) |
| 15:26.25 | arkanes | I don't really think that greenlets are particularly better than threads, either |
| 15:26.37 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: they dont' have to be co-operatively scheduled, that would imply an explicit yield by a given thread |
| 15:26.40 | arkanes | you get some simplicity because it's not preemptively scheduled |
| 15:27.03 | jnwhiteh | oh my mistake |
| 15:27.04 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: I don't know how a greenlet would differ from a thread if its premptively scheduled |
| 15:27.05 | jnwhiteh | greenlets ARE co-op |
| 15:27.09 | Mikk | well if you have "threads" that don't really eat lots of CPU at a time, it makes more sense to not bother with preempting |
| 15:27.11 | Mikk | and just co-op |
| 15:27.15 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: N:M |
| 15:27.19 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: as opposed to 1:1 |
| 15:27.44 | jnwhiteh | but that's a whole different discussion |
| 15:27.48 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: right, but if you're writing code in the language, it'd look exactly like a thread to you |
| 15:27.51 | jnwhiteh | centered around the fact that OSes are still thread based |
| 15:27.55 | jnwhiteh | which I can't disagree with |
| 15:27.58 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: correct |
| 15:28.02 | jnwhiteh | I was incorrect about greenlets |
| 15:28.03 | arkanes | I mean pthreads did that for a decade, and everyone still called those threads |
| 15:28.08 | arkanes | ah I missed that |
| 15:28.09 | jnwhiteh | but green threads in general are not co-operatively scheduled |
| 15:28.31 | jnwhiteh | coroutines are, however :P |
| 15:28.39 | arkanes | Mikk: mostly, people use greenlets because it lets them keep the same sort of programming model they're used to, but their run time moves it onto a more sophisticad scheduler |
| 15:28.44 | Mikk | by that, you mean that they don't have a yield() ? |
| 15:29.10 | Mikk | and rather just yield on i/o waits? |
| 15:29.14 | arkanes | Mikk: for example, there's a python library that allows you to write "blocking style" greenlet code by hooking everythign to run on top of libev |
| 15:29.14 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: green threads do not explicitly yield, they're the same as os level threads, they're just multiplexed onto OS threads |
| 15:29.32 | arkanes | Ruby used to have green threads |
| 15:29.41 | arkanes | I think it still might? I don't use Ruby |
| 15:29.43 | jnwhiteh | and the JVM |
| 15:29.49 | jnwhiteh | they've been removed from both |
| 15:29.53 | jnwhiteh | stupidly |
| 15:29.57 | jnwhiteh | with no hybrid threading |
| 15:30.02 | jnwhiteh | just a drop to 1:1 |
| 15:30.04 | Cide | they should stop hating on the environment |
| 15:30.18 | airtonix | skynet should hurry up |
| 15:30.19 | jnwhiteh | this was a huge mistake in my opinion, but alas =) |
| 15:30.22 | arkanes | it was kind of a hassle for Ruby, because it meant that doing anything in C had to explicitly yield all the time or it'd block all your threads |
| 15:30.51 | jnwhiteh | that's an implementation detail |
| 15:30.58 | arkanes | hassle for the JVM too but of course they don't have the casual access to C that Ruby does |
| 15:30.59 | jnwhiteh | there are so many ways around that its not funny |
| 15:31.18 | arkanes | there's no easy way to force a greenlet onto arbitrary C code |
| 15:31.38 | jnwhiteh | okay.. |
| 15:31.42 | arkanes | I mean in theory there's some stuff you can do |
| 15:32.04 | jnwhiteh | in the presence of arbitrary C code, there's little the VM can do |
| 15:32.06 | arkanes | does anyone actually do that? Erlang doesn't, they have that ports system |
| 15:32.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah you have to interface |
| 15:32.37 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: well that was part of the issue, Ruby (and python) have strong FFI libraries and a culture of easy access to C |
| 15:32.55 | jnwhiteh | sure, but that's no reason to remove the ability to use green threads from the system |
| 15:33.02 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: so green threads was a real hassle to lots of people for Ruby, while the JVM never had that culture so it wasn't as big of a deal |
| 15:33.04 | jnwhiteh | I don't disagree with them changing the standard threading model |
| 15:33.12 | jnwhiteh | but removing green threads entirely from either one was a poor decision. |
| 15:33.34 | jnwhiteh | have you ever seen the shit the scala and groovy have to go through to get scalability on the JVM? |
| 15:33.36 | jnwhiteh | its comical |
| 15:33.37 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:33.44 | jnwhiteh | and didn't need to happen |
| 15:33.52 | jnwhiteh | but I'm sure someone (undocumented of course) had a good reason |
| 15:34.13 | arkanes | "it has to be easy to work with C" is actually a really good reason |
| 15:34.25 | Mikk | "it needs to run on cellphones without threading" |
| 15:34.26 | Mikk | :D |
| 15:34.27 | jnwhiteh | to remove it from the VM? |
| 15:34.30 | jnwhiteh | no, I disagree. |
| 15:34.37 | jnwhiteh | if someone wants to use them, they should be able to |
| 15:34.42 | jnwhiteh | I don't see why that doesn' tmake sense =) |
| 15:34.57 | jnwhiteh | they risk locking their VM if they call into arbitrary C code from a green thread |
| 15:35.00 | jnwhiteh | but that was always the limitation |
| 15:35.07 | arkanes | you're committed to maintaing a bunch of code that your users have already indicated they won't be using in large numbers |
| 15:35.21 | jnwhiteh | and alienating those that want to use it |
| 15:35.22 | jnwhiteh | but yes |
| 15:35.42 | jnwhiteh | I can disagree with it, and I fully recognize that there was a reason for it, and probably a good one |
| 15:35.48 | jnwhiteh | I just wish it hadn't happened |
| 15:35.51 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:35.54 | arkanes | if you have to choose between strong C support and strong green threads support in your VM, choosing C is entirely legitimate |
| 15:36.17 | jnwhiteh | Haskell has both |
| 15:36.20 | jnwhiteh | as do other VMs |
| 15:36.31 | jnwhiteh | what special requirements did Ruby had that made it so difficult |
| 15:36.31 | Mikk | if you can assume your OS has preemptive threading |
| 15:36.34 | Mikk | then yes you can do both |
| 15:36.35 | arkanes | Haskell is kind of cheating |
| 15:36.36 | jnwhiteh | other than one of the worlds worst VMs |
| 15:36.46 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:36.59 | arkanes | but I haven't done anything with their FFI so I can't really speak to it |
| 15:37.01 | airtonix | inb4 flame |
| 15:37.04 | jnwhiteh | thank God there are competing Ruby VMs out |
| 15:37.07 | arkanes | erlang has terrible C support |
| 15:37.19 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: this is true. |
| 15:37.28 | jnwhiteh | and Erlang is slow as molasses for any I/O |
| 15:37.34 | arkanes | I'm not familiar with Gos, but I think it's supposed to be reasonable? |
| 15:37.45 | arkanes | I don't think any of these languages make it as a casual as Ruby does though |
| 15:37.52 | jnwhiteh | meh, goc support is still not fun |
| 15:37.58 | jnwhiteh | no, I think you're probably right |
| 15:38.20 | jnwhiteh | ah well |
| 15:38.56 | jnwhiteh | as long as we all agree that it's rediculous that Blizzard didn't choose a real language like VB for addons, then I'm happy. |
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| 15:39.35 | Kalroth | Addons should have been made in ASM for proper performance |
| 15:40.06 | nevcairiel | VB is a real language since when? |
| 15:40.07 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: we should be able to write them in C++ with inline assembler |
| 15:40.11 | jnwhiteh | no need to remove the toolset |
| 15:40.15 | Kalroth | True! |
| 15:42.54 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: On Error Resume Next |
| 15:43.04 | arkanes | jnwhiteh: just think how happy that would make people on patch day |
| 15:43.15 | Fi5ker | i might just reboot my computer jnwhiteh |
| 15:43.46 | arkanes | on that note, is there *any* other language that has a specific language feature that means "ignore all errors and continue processing as if they didn't happen"? |
| 15:43.51 | arkanes | C doesn't count |
| 15:46.02 | jnwhiteh | arkanes: badly written try { } catch {} blocks? =) |
| 15:46.07 | jnwhiteh | but no, not that I'ma ware of |
| 15:46.10 | jnwhiteh | although, to be fair |
| 15:46.13 | jnwhiteh | Erlang is designed to be like that |
| 15:46.21 | Fi5ker | i'm gonna do it jnwhiteh |
| 15:46.21 | arkanes | thats a good point |
| 15:46.32 | jnwhiteh | everything is written assuming perfect input, and no errors |
| 15:46.36 | arkanes | it just doesn't feel the same in erlang though |
| 15:46.39 | jnwhiteh | if an error occurs, it occurs |
| 15:46.43 | jnwhiteh | I still feel dirty |
| 15:46.45 | jnwhiteh | but different :P |
| 15:47.08 | arkanes | new blog post: ERLANG AND VB6: Friends at alast |
| 15:47.26 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:47.37 | jnwhiteh | i'm off to have a shower, bbl |
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| 15:54.08 | cbreak | "Too many games used the "take pictures during gameplay" gimmick. We get it—playing games on the Kinect makes us look stupid. It almost feels like you're playing a game so the 360 can laugh at you." |
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| 15:55.16 | Arrowmaster | hmm apparently you have to provide a signature when receiving over $150 worth of medicine by mail |
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| 16:05.22 | Mirrormn | http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2 I love these reviews XD |
| 16:05.33 | Thunder_Child | http://monsterlicenses.com/index.php |
| 16:09.37 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 16:09.45 | Thunder_Child | i know right |
| 16:09.45 | Arrowmaster | i cant renew my domains for 10 years, only 9 |
| 16:09.55 | Arrowmaster | but they list 10 years on the site with its own rate |
| 16:10.08 | Thunder_Child | sounds like a shady hook to me |
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| 16:11.21 | Arrowmaster | ive got less than 30 days on the domains |
| 16:11.37 | Arrowmaster | maybe i have to wait till the 5 day mark to be able to renew for 10 years |
| 16:11.43 | Arrowmaster | but if so thats stupid |
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| 16:14.06 | Fisker | omg my raid |
| 16:14.09 | Fisker | you ruined it haste |
| 16:14.10 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:15.45 | Thunder_Child | qq and run i see |
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| 16:23.18 | olafski | mirrormn: :D |
| 16:24.43 | Fisker | i hate you olafski |
| 16:24.54 | olafski | take a number |
| 16:25.16 | olafski | hmm frostmourne letter opener eh |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker | it's awesome olafski |
| 16:27.17 | olafski | yeah, I see now what I'm missing by not using the launcher |
| 16:27.26 | Fisker | Intel thinks the serial number of my second drive in the spare is D-WMAUR0035892 |
| 16:27.30 | Fisker | Guess what it is olafski |
| 16:28.21 | Mirrormn | D-WMAURAUDER92 |
| 16:28.36 | Fisker | naw |
| 16:28.41 | Fisker | WD-WM... |
| 16:28.46 | Fisker | it deleted the first character |
| 16:28.46 | Fisker | fucker |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/JIFXz.png <-hilarious |
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| 16:52.07 | olafski | are spellstones and firestones out? :P |
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| 16:54.24 | Maldivia | olafski: yeah |
| 16:55.58 | olafski | I see |
| 16:56.02 | olafski | saves some space on my bars |
| 16:56.09 | olafski | together with replacing all my demons with 1 button |
| 16:58.51 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.13 | olafski | psh |
| 17:00.24 | mikma | amirite or nuts |
| 17:01.06 | olafski | I had those for all my stones and such |
| 17:01.09 | olafski | not for demons though |
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| 17:01.20 | olafski | I should really find a noob's guide to playing a warlock in dungeons or something |
| 17:01.24 | Fisker | haste if this works i promise to never make fun of linux again :O |
| 17:01.27 | olafski | currently I just cast random spells :P |
| 17:02.28 | arkanes | olafski: step 1: cast shadowbolt step 2: repeat |
| 17:02.51 | arkanes | (I'm lying) |
| 17:03.11 | olafski | I figured |
| 17:03.16 | olafski | don't even have that on my bar for some reason :S |
| 17:03.27 | arkanes | it's not very useful soloing because the cast time is so long |
| 17:03.39 | olafski | on single targets I did hand of guldan, immolate, incinerate, incinerate, incinerate |
| 17:03.40 | arkanes | what spec? |
| 17:03.47 | olafski | multi targets I did SoC on each and then they were usually dead |
| 17:03.50 | olafski | demonology |
| 17:04.06 | arkanes | hellfire will be more aoe damage |
| 17:04.25 | arkanes | that reminds me that I need to log in on my lock |
| 17:04.34 | olafski | more than SoC you mean? |
| 17:04.40 | arkanes | yeah it should |
| 17:04.46 | olafski | I'll try that then |
| 17:05.03 | olafski | wasn't there something that would make my felguard do more damage each time I used it? |
| 17:06.03 | olafski | I'm level 72 btw, if that helps =) |
| 17:06.40 | arkanes | well between your passives and the 30% from cremation, hellfire should still be more that soc |
| 17:07.03 | olafski | okay |
| 17:07.38 | olafski | I should probably also have used metamorphosis.. |
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| 17:09.26 | Fisker | zomg didn't work haste |
| 17:09.30 | Fisker | imma make fun of linux ;( |
| 17:17.32 | airtonix | sweaty brass ones |
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| 17:21.27 | olafski | is there a macro command to stop channeling? :< |
| 17:21.59 | olafski | bit hard to cancel hellfire when I can channel it while moving :( |
| 17:22.52 | Maldivia | if all else fails, start casting something else and /stopcasting? |
| 17:23.07 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.32 | olafski | nm, /cancelaura ;) |
| 17:23.54 | Maldivia | well, that works for hellfire :) |
| 17:25.16 | mikma | so |
| 17:25.26 | mikma | me and wife are celebrating the birth of our baby.. |
| 17:25.36 | mikma | we send a mms to her mother: http://mikma.eu/lol/kuva1.jpg |
| 17:25.56 | mikma | we got a reply "have a nice evening!": http://mikma.eu/lol/kuva2.jpg |
| 17:26.05 | mikma | and we had to reply: http://mikma.eu/lol/kuva3.jpg |
| 17:26.37 | arkanes | so I had some trouble parsing that |
| 17:26.49 | arkanes | but I realize you meant your mother in law, not that you were using a surrogate mother |
| 17:27.09 | mikma | yeah, mother in law, thanks |
| 17:28.25 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/lol/Kuva0086.jpg |
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| 17:28.47 | Fisker | :( haste |
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| 17:29.50 | olafski | did they change seed of corruption btw? |
| 17:30.24 | MoonWitch | sp Mikma that is what you look like |
| 17:30.50 | mikma | moonwitch: of course |
| 17:31.02 | MoonWitch | and you have an adorable baby :) |
| 17:31.18 | mikma | moonwitch: http://mikma.eu/baby/ :D |
| 17:32.01 | MoonWitch | she's gorgeous |
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| 17:32.29 | mikma | thanks darling :) |
| 17:34.36 | MoonWitch | you're most welcome |
| 17:35.25 | mikma | she's now 7 weeks old and can hold up her head :) |
| 17:35.32 | mikma | also has started to smile, alot! |
| 17:35.57 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 17:36.02 | MoonWitch | just wait for her first word |
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| 17:36.18 | MoonWitch | you'll never want her to be silent again, that is -- until she's 6 or so :P |
| 17:36.19 | Cide | here we go |
| 17:36.24 | arkanes | olafski: it's level 72 now but I don't think it changed besides that |
| 17:36.34 | mikma | i have been saying that i can't wait the moment i get to chat with her |
| 17:36.52 | Cide | first typed word > first spoken word amirite |
| 17:37.10 | MoonWitch | not really |
| 17:37.17 | MoonWitch | but first typed has major advantages |
| 17:37.19 | Cide | good god |
| 17:37.25 | Cide | I was totally serious too! |
| 17:37.30 | MoonWitch | (I have my sister blocked on msn -- she's 9 btw) |
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| 17:39.34 | mikma | cide: i'm aiming for my daughter to be the world's nr.1 in Muay Thai, so, fuck the computers :D |
| 17:39.37 | MoonWitch | but every first she does will be ashtonishing |
| 17:39.56 | MoonWitch | good then she can - by reputation - keep this chan clean :) |
| 17:40.31 | MoonWitch | just remember to cherish every single moment -- kids grow up very fast |
| 17:40.40 | mikma | indeed they do |
| 17:40.47 | mikma | she has gained 1kg in 6 weeks |
| 17:40.49 | Fisker | Cide |
| 17:40.56 | Fisker | i lost 2,5TB or data or so |
| 17:40.57 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:40.59 | MoonWitch | damn -- what are you feeding her? |
| 17:41.02 | Cide | of what? |
| 17:41.09 | mikma | moonwitch: substitute of mothermilk |
| 17:41.10 | Fisker | of data* |
| 17:41.16 | Cide | what kind of data? |
| 17:41.21 | MoonWitch | Fisker: if it's porn, its a sad sad day for you |
| 17:41.24 | mikma | moonwitch: well, not 1kg but near that, 0.7kg or so |
| 17:41.31 | MoonWitch | mikma: yeah, that's the good stuff :) |
| 17:41.37 | Fisker | i wish MoonWitch |
| 17:41.57 | olafski | arkanes: I had the feeling it wouldn't explode so quickly before |
| 17:42.18 | olafski | it says something like "as soon as the target takes 1500 total damage", I thought it was "when it ends or the target dies" |
| 17:43.26 | MoonWitch | veggie mix soup tastes like crap |
| 17:43.32 | MoonWitch | it's like sweet -- i hate sweet |
| 17:43.47 | Cide | sweet ftw |
| 17:43.51 | MoonWitch | (and no jokes about the salty side of things) |
| 17:44.09 | MoonWitch | it just makes me nauseas now -- Cide I loved sweet things before |
| 17:44.13 | Cide | you should try um |
| 17:44.37 | Cide | a white russian with coconut milk and powdered sugar |
| 17:44.37 | MoonWitch | spicey is cool |
| 17:44.42 | MoonWitch | oh god no |
| 17:44.48 | Cide | >:) |
| 17:45.06 | MoonWitch | is watching the Core |
| 17:45.08 | Cide | uliek? |
| 17:45.12 | MoonWitch | no |
| 17:45.15 | Cide | the dig into the earth movie? |
| 17:45.19 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 17:45.24 | Cide | I thought that was kinda nice |
| 17:45.26 | mikma | trip to the center of the world? |
| 17:45.30 | Cide | scientific idiocy aside |
| 17:45.30 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 17:45.35 | mikma | the remake? |
| 17:45.40 | mikma | with brendan frasier |
| 17:45.42 | MoonWitch | the 2003 one |
| 17:45.47 | mikma | it was quite nice |
| 17:45.49 | MoonWitch | with Hillary Swank |
| 17:45.53 | MoonWitch | it was .. |
| 17:46.05 | mikma | now, clerks 2 and the donkey -scene |
| 17:46.18 | mikma | "oh shit, gotta finish!" |
| 17:46.59 | Cide | hmm |
| 17:47.10 | Cide | both sonic colors and donkey kong country returns are being released soon |
| 17:47.12 | MoonWitch | but the entire OMGZ the core of the earth stopped rotating is a bit far fetched |
| 17:47.19 | Cide | which should I get? or all three? |
| 17:47.23 | olafski | arkanes: I also can't seem to find a good use for those soul shards =( |
| 17:54.10 | MoonWitch | just a note : if I ever see aurora borealis here - I am getting away from it :P |
| 17:55.40 | olafski | okay |
| 17:56.17 | industrial | Howcome money gained from dungeon varies every time I do it? |
| 17:56.33 | industrial | its nog 1g30 for level 40 pally, yesterday it was only 23s |
| 17:56.38 | industrial | for level 39 |
| 17:56.48 | Flowyk | lua> (true) or (false) |
| 17:56.48 | lua_bot | Flowyk: true |
| 17:56.48 | industrial | Do you just get less the more you do it every day? |
| 17:57.12 | industrial | Flowyk: if the left hand side of 'or' results in true, the right is never evaluated |
| 17:57.25 | Flowyk | industrial are you sure? |
| 17:57.34 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 17:57.37 | Cide | it's clearly stated there |
| 17:57.38 | industrial | Yes. |
| 17:57.45 | Flowyk | function() return (channels[i]=="default") or (CM_table["_"..channels[i]].sets.wordFilter==1); end |
| 17:57.46 | Cide | stop feeding the fucking amoeba |
| 17:57.55 | Flowyk | it returns false even if the first is true |
| 17:58.01 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 17:58.08 | Cide | you don't even appear to know how "or" works |
| 17:58.13 | Cide | so go read up on some basic programming |
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| 17:58.38 | Cide | before you try and get your addon working by some miracle through the use of sucking blood out of everyone in this channel to piece your addon together one line at a time |
| 17:58.42 | olafski | industrial: the first run gives more I think |
| 17:58.43 | olafski | every day |
| 17:58.49 | Cide | go and learn how to actually program |
| 17:59.16 | airtonix | lewl |
| 17:59.34 | airtonix | you need to set peb['kac'] = true |
| 18:00.01 | Flowyk | ok ... |
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| 18:02.14 | MentalPower | Flowyk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_table (tells you how computers interpret and, or, not and all their permutations) |
| 18:02.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Lulia (~BleaS@pool-173-76-192-176.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:02.31 | Lulia | Hey |
| 18:02.33 | Flowyk | OK |
| 18:02.38 | Cide | read it |
| 18:02.39 | Cide | learn it |
| 18:02.41 | Cide | use it |
| 18:02.43 | Flowyk | I found that its rewrited later |
| 18:02.48 | Cide | nobody cares |
| 18:02.50 | Cide | go learn |
| 18:02.53 | Flowyk | no |
| 18:02.57 | Cide | then get out |
| 18:03.00 | Flowyk | no |
| 18:03.05 | Cide | then be quiet |
| 18:03.13 | Lulia | >.> |
| 18:03.21 | Cide | and hi Lulia |
| 18:03.21 | industrial | olafski: k |
| 18:03.32 | Flowyk | no |
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| 18:04.17 | airtonix | rofls |
| 18:04.24 | Shadowed | hai |
| 18:04.27 | Shadowed | what happened |
| 18:04.31 | airtonix | it's obviously fisker |
| 18:04.39 | Cide | it's not... sadly |
| 18:04.50 | Shadowed | I'm confused whats going on |
| 18:05.16 | airtonix | it's gooderer |
| 18:05.18 | Shadowed | I should ban MentalPower for pinging me for nothing |
| 18:05.29 | Cide | Flowyk has been coming in here for a bit more than a week-ish |
| 18:05.41 | Cide | and absolutely refuses to learn anything besides doing what we tell him to do |
| 18:05.43 | nevcairiel | And he is learn resistant |
| 18:05.45 | nevcairiel | and unwilling .) |
| 18:06.05 | nevcairiel | he always finds someone new to help him, though |
| 18:06.06 | Cide | so he ends up asking questions way above his own skill level until someone is fucking stupid enough to tell him how to solve it |
| 18:06.16 | MoonWitch | (Cide : You've seen the Core - right?) |
| 18:06.17 | Cide | and so he builds his addon one line at a time |
| 18:06.20 | Cide | yes, MoonWitch |
| 18:06.30 | nevcairiel | that movie with cage? |
| 18:06.34 | MoonWitch | I think you're pretty much like that comp dude ... |
| 18:06.40 | Cide | probably |
| 18:06.44 | Cide | can't remember his character |
| 18:06.49 | MentalPower | the one with the big nose? |
| 18:06.54 | Cide | hey |
| 18:06.54 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 18:06.58 | Cide | don't shittalk my nose |
| 18:07.06 | MoonWitch | but it's more about his personality |
| 18:07.07 | MentalPower | I haven't seen *your* nose :P |
| 18:07.07 | airtonix | lol "probably" |
| 18:08.33 | Flowyk | Cide you are lol |
| 18:08.41 | Flowyk | I have now code about 500 lines |
| 18:08.48 | Cide | seems about appropriate |
| 18:08.51 | Flowyk | if I have questioned every line to you |
| 18:08.58 | Flowyk | and you said me every time to read pil |
| 18:08.59 | Cide | lua> 500/(7*1.5) |
| 18:08.59 | lua_bot | Cide: 47.619047619048 |
| 18:09.05 | Cide | so that's about 48 lines a day |
| 18:09.21 | Cide | you probably ask here at least 10 times a day |
| 18:09.21 | Flowyk | then I can repeat pil from my mind |
| 18:09.23 | Flowyk | but I CANT |
| 18:09.38 | Cide | of course you can't |
| 18:09.45 | Cide | you won't fucking read it in the first place |
| 18:09.45 | Flowyk | your time is runing slower than is normal |
| 18:10.02 | Shirik | ok that's enough from both of you |
| 18:10.13 | Cide | ^ |
| 18:10.18 | airtonix | LOL |
| 18:10.25 | Lulia | Well, hopefully my question won't bother. I double checked: http://www.wowpedia.org/API_EditBox_SetText and http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetText here, and, according to the documentation, what I'm doing should work but it doesn't. (line inc) |
| 18:10.29 | Shadowed | He's telling you to shut up too Cide :P |
| 18:10.29 | Lulia | SaveResIMG:SetText(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.SavedResIMG); |
| 18:10.34 | Cide | I know, Shadowed |
| 18:10.44 | Flowyk | ^ |
| 18:10.46 | Cide | and I would love nothing else but to drop this shit but it's like deja vu every day |
| 18:10.49 | Shirik | also, on a completely unrelated matter |
| 18:10.56 | Lulia | Now I know that string exists, in the game I can type: /script print(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.SavedResIMG) and the line will appear. |
| 18:10.58 | airtonix | kittens ? |
| 18:10.59 | Shirik | wtf does "shittalk my nose" mean |
| 18:11.09 | Cide | MentalPower said I had a big nose |
| 18:11.16 | Shadowed | you do |
| 18:11.19 | MentalPower | Lulia: you sure that PowerBarsDB.PowSet.SavedResIMG has text before you use it to :SetText() |
| 18:11.22 | Shirik | ouch |
| 18:11.42 | Cide | without explicitly arguing, I don't think I'm being unreasonable though |
| 18:11.53 | Lulia | I can use a print statement just to make sure, one sec. |
| 18:12.05 | MentalPower | Lulia: do print(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.SavedResIMG); SaveResIMG:SetText(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.SavedResIMG); |
| 18:12.15 | mitchnull | does the savedVariable have to be global? |
| 18:12.16 | Lulia | I'd be surprised if it wasnt |
| 18:12.21 | Shirik | yes mitch0 |
| 18:12.24 | Shirik | mitchnull* |
| 18:12.28 | MentalPower | mitchnull: yes |
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| 18:12.47 | Lulia | Right, MP, that's what I'm in the process od doing already |
| 18:12.51 | Flowyk | Cide what means 1.5 in 500/(7*1.5) ? |
| 18:12.59 | mitchnull | and it'll get assigned later by the game, right? so SV = SV or {} ; local db = SV; won't quite work |
| 18:13.06 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 18:13.09 | Cide | 1.5 weeks |
| 18:13.11 | Shirik | It means 1.5 |
| 18:13.15 | Lulia | And yes, it's available to the AddOn when I load in the edit box |
| 18:13.20 | Flowyk | I start this before 7-8 days |
| 18:13.26 | Flowyk | 7-8 days ago |
| 18:13.30 | Shirik | Didn't I already tell you to drop it? |
| 18:13.41 | Shirik | On that note haven't I already banned you once? |
| 18:13.57 | Flowyk | maybe |
| 18:14.08 | mitchnull | hey shadowed! coming back? :) |
| 18:14.10 | MoonWitch | Shirik, yes. |
| 18:14.15 | MoonWitch | and yes |
| 18:14.15 | Shirik | I suggest you don't continue this discussion any further |
| 18:14.18 | Shadowed | mitchnull what |
| 18:14.27 | mitchnull | coming back to wow? |
| 18:14.30 | Shadowed | god no |
| 18:14.34 | mitchnull | ;) |
| 18:14.39 | Shirik | mitch0: local db = SV should work |
| 18:14.46 | Lulia | It should be noted that none of my edit boxes actually display the text they're set to show initially, even though the information is available. One would think I was using the function incorrectly, but the documentation supports it. |
| 18:14.48 | Shirik | in fact I think I do that |
| 18:14.56 | Shirik | the only thing that won't work is if you later do db = {...} |
| 18:14.56 | MentalPower | Lulia: /script SaveResIMG:SetText("I am here!!"); |
| 18:14.59 | Cide | it doesn't work |
| 18:15.02 | mitchnull | shirik: hm. I though wow will do a SV = something later on |
| 18:15.06 | Cide | it does |
| 18:15.07 | Shirik | oh right |
| 18:15.11 | Shirik | you have to respond to um |
| 18:15.13 | mitchnull | so my db would point to some garbage |
| 18:15.14 | Shirik | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 18:15.15 | Cide | you need local db; followed by setting it on ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:15.23 | mitchnull | nah, I do it in my first OnUpdate |
| 18:15.24 | Cide | or VARIABLES_LOADED but A_L is preferred |
| 18:15.33 | Cide | that's not a good idea |
| 18:15.37 | mitchnull | is too |
| 18:15.40 | Cide | no |
| 18:15.43 | mitchnull | why not? |
| 18:15.45 | MentalPower | mitchnull: is not :) |
| 18:15.46 | Cide | why? |
| 18:15.56 | MentalPower | onupdate can fire way before A_L |
| 18:16.03 | MentalPower | not usually, but it can |
| 18:16.12 | Lulia | One sec, MP, SaveResIMG is actually the local |
| 18:16.29 | MentalPower | Lulia: or the equivalent |
| 18:16.36 | Lulia | Alright, entered that in |
| 18:16.40 | mitchnull | mental: are you sure? |
| 18:16.41 | Lulia | And nothing shows in the editbox |
| 18:17.09 | mitchnull | I never seen OnUpdate fire before it |
| 18:17.18 | MentalPower | is the editbox :IsVisible()? :IsShown()? |
| 18:17.24 | Lulia | OnUpdate fires every time a frame is drawn, I believe. |
| 18:17.32 | Shadowed | Huh are you sure MentalPower? I wouldn't think that's possible |
| 18:17.38 | Lulia | Yeah, MP, I Can see it right now :-/ |
| 18:17.49 | Shirik | regardless, mitch0 |
| 18:17.54 | Shirik | it's a bad idea just because it's a hack :) |
| 18:17.56 | Cide | even if it isn't doable now |
| 18:17.57 | MentalPower | Shadowed: in a LoD addon it can :) |
| 18:18.03 | Cide | it's a bad idea because implementation details can change |
| 18:18.06 | Shadowed | Well besides the obvious, smartass :P |
| 18:18.17 | Cide | and ADDON_LOADED guarantees that they are loaded |
| 18:18.21 | Cide | in its contract |
| 18:18.35 | Shirik | tbh I don't think that's part of its contract either |
| 18:18.37 | MentalPower | Shadowed: :P |
| 18:18.43 | Shirik | but for some reason everyone uses ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:18.49 | Cide | it is, Shirik |
| 18:18.55 | Lulia | I also just did /script print(PowerBars.Edits.SaveResIMG:IsShown()) and :IsVisible and it printed 1 |
| 18:18.57 | Shirik | Show me the documentation that says this :P |
| 18:18.58 | Lulia | for each of them |
| 18:19.06 | Cide | there is no blizzard-approved documentation |
| 18:19.09 | Shirik | exactly :) |
| 18:19.15 | foxlit | So you're meaningless, Shirik. |
| 18:19.16 | Yoshimo | if you learn java at school, how does it compare to lua? |
| 18:19.20 | mitchnull | alright, so SV is available in AddonLoaded in all cases, right? |
| 18:19.25 | Shadowed | Java is like a giant tank |
| 18:19.26 | Flowyk | Shirik Im using addon initialized :) |
| 18:19.27 | Shadowed | Lua is a cheetah |
| 18:19.32 | Shirik | I'm just of the opinion that VARIABLES_LOADED wouldn't be made if there wasn't a reason for it |
| 18:19.35 | Cide | but it's the only event that is fired in conjunction with variables being loaded for LoD addons, Shirik |
| 18:19.38 | Shadowed | Java is a giant tank tahts mired in a bog* |
| 18:19.38 | taroven | Yoshimo: Apples to mustangs. |
| 18:19.41 | Shadowed | thats even |
| 18:19.41 | Cide | Shirik: V_L precedes A_L |
| 18:19.50 | Shirik | it does currently |
| 18:19.55 | Shadowed | V_L predates A_L |
| 18:20.03 | Cide | predates was the word I was looking for |
| 18:20.07 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:20.08 | Shadowed | V_L was what Blizzard used because it indicated RegisterForSave variables loads :p |
| 18:20.11 | Shirik | that makes a little more sense |
| 18:20.17 | Shirik | haha RegisterForSave |
| 18:20.20 | Shadowed | A_L was added later with LOD addons, you should never really be using V_L |
| 18:20.30 | Cide | boom |
| 18:20.32 | Cide | knockout |
| 18:20.35 | Yoshimo | shadowed, its just a matter of, does it help to know one of them to learn the other faster? |
| 18:20.36 | Cide | Cide 1 - 0 Shirik |
| 18:20.38 | Shirik | so now I know why :) |
| 18:20.40 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:20.41 | MentalPower | A_L is V_L for that specific addon, V_L is that all the A_L's have fired for non-LoD addons |
| 18:20.42 | Shirik | we need to play SC |
| 18:20.47 | Cide | yes we do |
| 18:20.49 | Shadowed | There's some other difference V_L and A_L but I don't remember what |
| 18:20.54 | Cide | and minecraft multiplayer soon! |
| 18:20.56 | Shadowed | it's some weird ordering thing |
| 18:20.59 | Cide | when it's working! |
| 18:21.07 | Shirik | my friend broke the game and managed to get infinite obsidian |
| 18:21.09 | Shadowed | MentalPower are you sure? |
| 18:21.11 | Cide | wtf |
| 18:21.12 | Shadowed | I thought V_L was before A_L |
| 18:21.12 | Cide | how? |
| 18:21.12 | MentalPower | Shadowed: A_L is per-addon, V_L is once |
| 18:21.13 | mitchnull | but I need to check addon-name in AddonLoaded, right? |
| 18:21.17 | MentalPower | nop |
| 18:21.18 | Shirik | you know those portals to hell? |
| 18:21.21 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:21.23 | MentalPower | V_L is after all the A_L's |
| 18:21.24 | mitchnull | gah, need to find some "inspiration" in some addon ;) |
| 18:21.29 | Shirik | Yeah well he apparently built his in a way that confuses the game |
| 18:21.30 | Shadowed | ah |
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| 18:21.32 | Shadowed | I dunno |
| 18:21.33 | Shirik | so when he comes back from hell |
| 18:21.34 | Lulia | Mitch, yeah, you'll want to check the addon name |
| 18:21.36 | Shadowed | I haven't used V_L in like 5 years :P |
| 18:21.40 | Shirik | it built a new portal |
| 18:21.42 | Lulia | Pass addon in the function you use for the event |
| 18:21.43 | MentalPower | otherwise it would break those that use V_L |
| 18:21.52 | Cide | Shirik: haha wtf |
| 18:21.53 | Lulia | And do an addon = "MyAddOnName" |
| 18:21.54 | Shirik | Now if you take one block out of that portal it stops being a portal to hell |
| 18:22.02 | Shirik | So then you take your original portal |
| 18:22.03 | Shirik | come back |
| 18:22.03 | mitchnull | shadowed: me neither, but all my addons were ace so far ;) |
| 18:22.05 | Shirik | and it builds another one |
| 18:22.08 | Shirik | over and over again |
| 18:22.09 | mitchnull | now it's too simple for that |
| 18:22.26 | Lulia | I put SaveResIMG:SetText("TEST"); in just for the heck of it, right after the call to the variable settext |
| 18:22.33 | Lulia | And it's still not showing in the edit box |
| 18:22.40 | Tuller | hrm, onsizechanged seems to fire more than I think it would |
| 18:23.00 | taroven | Lulia: Just use the addon name as passed via the namespace args. 'local AddonName,ns = ...' around the top of the file, then check against AddonName in ADDON_LOADED. =P |
| 18:23.10 | mitchnull | ok, one more question (will test later, but meh): is it OK to SetTexCoords() out-of-bounds? like negative ULx values in there |
| 18:23.36 | taroven | mitchnull: Never tried. I'd assume that nothing special would happen though. |
| 18:23.42 | Tuller | taroven: I can honestly say I never though about doing that ever :P |
| 18:23.45 | Lulia | You could do that too, Taroven :). I'm not the one doing it though, Mitchnull is ;) |
| 18:23.48 | MoonWitch | ULx? |
| 18:24.02 | taroven | Tuller: Yep, works like a charm. |
| 18:24.13 | taroven | Lulia: I know. Just a tidbit for ya. =P |
| 18:24.15 | MoonWitch | (I do apologize for dumb questions, but quite often I find myself utterly lost when you brighter minds are conversing) |
| 18:24.44 | taroven | MoonWitch: ULx = UpperLeft X |
| 18:24.45 | Cide | upper left corner's x coordinate usually |
| 18:24.48 | Lulia | Can I pretend I'm included in MoonWitch's comment? I want to feel like a brighter mind ;) |
| 18:24.49 | taroven | ^ |
| 18:24.57 | Cide | no |
| 18:25.00 | Lulia | Damn :P |
| 18:25.05 | Cide | you need to spend at least three decennia in here |
| 18:25.07 | MoonWitch | *facepalm @ ULx) |
| 18:25.08 | taroven | looks at the time and runs for work. |
| 18:25.15 | MoonWitch | I should have guessed that lol |
| 18:25.17 | Lulia | ta, taroven |
| 18:25.18 | mitchnull | tuller: I want to rotate an image, and don't want to much around with the icon if I can get away with indexing outside of it :0 |
| 18:25.29 | mitchnull | s/much/muck/ |
| 18:25.38 | Lulia | Meh, I guess I'll worry about SetText later, it's not vitally important. |
| 18:25.49 | Tuller | if you want to rotate an image, why not use the animation system |
| 18:25.51 | Cide | mitchnull: not sure what you mean by indexing outside of it |
| 18:26.02 | MoonWitch | Lulia: I would give a leg if I had a little more of the minds of some of the folks in here when it came to programming abilities |
| 18:26.03 | mitchnull | tuller: 'cos its not animated |
| 18:26.07 | mitchnull | tuller: think tomtom |
| 18:26.28 | Cide | mitchnull: are you rotating continuous angles or only 90-degree increments? |
| 18:26.41 | mitchnull | cide: setting ULx, etc "outside" of the image (that is , < 0 or > 1) |
| 18:26.49 | mitchnull | cide: continuous |
| 18:27.04 | Cide | then you should set up a matrix transform instead and use the 8-parameter version |
| 18:27.23 | Cide | and just scale the image accordingly and apply a rotation matrix |
| 18:27.28 | mitchnull | I _will_ use the 8 param version, hence I've been talking about ULx |
| 18:27.42 | Cide | stop hating :( |
| 18:27.52 | mitchnull | not easy ;) |
| 18:27.56 | Lulia | How can you hate the +Cide? |
| 18:27.59 | Lulia | ;) |
| 18:28.05 | Shadowed | ~cide-- |
| 18:28.10 | Cide | dude. |
| 18:28.31 | Shadowed | wait hang on |
| 18:28.33 | Shadowed | ~cide++ |
| 18:28.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Cide] by Shadowed |
| 18:28.43 | Cide | mitchnull: http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 18:28.44 | Lulia | btw, instead of + Pidgin uses a little sound wave icon next to your name instead. |
| 18:28.44 | Shadowed | now you can hate Cide! |
| 18:28.49 | MoonWitch | ~cide++ |
| 18:28.54 | MoonWitch | I don't have :P |
| 18:28.57 | MoonWitch | hate* |
| 18:29.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by Shadowed |
| 18:29.11 | MoonWitch | ok I do, but it's reserved for special folks |
| 18:29.24 | Cide | that expresses ULx and so on in terms of the transformation matrix' coefficients |
| 18:29.24 | Lulia | And mods are special stars, they look sort of like sheriff badges |
| 18:29.30 | Shadowed | Special folks like Cide with +? |
| 18:29.44 | Cide | see setCoords() at the bottom specifically |
| 18:30.29 | MoonWitch | no |
| 18:30.35 | Tuller | matrix math is out of my knowledge domain now :P |
| 18:30.46 | Cide | I don't think it's outside mitchnull's! |
| 18:30.51 | MoonWitch | you see, to be able to hate, you need to love that person as well |
| 18:30.59 | MoonWitch | only loving is equally strong as hate. |
| 18:31.01 | Shadowed | true, you can't love Cide |
| 18:31.04 | Shadowed | matrix math is evil anyway Tuller |
| 18:31.11 | Cide | it is? |
| 18:31.23 | MoonWitch | ok, that's not what I meant.. But I don't *love* him, he's an ok guy |
| 18:31.35 | Tuller | its not evil math, its sexy math sometimes |
| 18:31.50 | Shadowed | so you mildly hate him? |
| 18:32.16 | Lulia | I want to be loved :( |
| 18:32.23 | MoonWitch | no, I don't mildly hate him |
| 18:32.31 | MoonWitch | I hate or don't hate.. there's no in between |
| 18:32.46 | MoonWitch | there's only one person in this channel I completely dislike |
| 18:33.17 | industrial | appears, Ta-dah! |
| 18:33.23 | MoonWitch | lol hey indie |
| 18:33.49 | Shadowed | Is it Bide, Cides twin?! |
| 18:34.44 | MoonWitch | no |
| 18:37.36 | mikma | meep |
| 18:37.42 | MoonWitch | beep |
| 18:37.53 | mikma | The Storm - B.S.E. (Feat Michael Poulsen) |
| 18:38.25 | mikma | moonwitch: is it fisker, the evil version of fisker? |
| 18:38.31 | MoonWitch | nope |
| 18:38.41 | mikma | is it spode |
| 18:39.08 | MoonWitch | who's that? |
| 18:39.24 | mikma | ok, is it ajmitch |
| 18:39.40 | MoonWitch | whio? |
| 18:39.47 | mikma | is it odlaw |
| 18:39.50 | mitchnull | wha? |
| 18:39.57 | MoonWitch | lol quit it |
| 18:40.01 | mikma | then it must be unfo- |
| 18:40.12 | Dajova | i bet it's me :( |
| 18:40.14 | mikma | oh, i know, it's wyrihaximus |
| 18:40.21 | olafski | I think it's me! |
| 18:40.25 | mikma | what the fuck is that anyway :D |
| 18:40.26 | MoonWitch | Dajova: NO |
| 18:40.32 | Dajova | :x |
| 18:40.36 | MoonWitch | oops caps |
| 18:40.43 | MoonWitch | olafski and Dajova nope |
| 18:40.45 | mikma | CAPS IS GOOD, SOMETIMES. |
| 18:40.53 | haste | no. |
| 18:41.03 | mikma | I SEEM TO HAVE MISPLACED THE SMALL LETTERS IN MY KEYBOARD ANYWAY |
| 18:41.08 | Dajova | mbapap-ey-ay-ey-ay! |
| 18:41.17 | mikma | it MUST be initializing1 |
| 18:41.24 | mikma | or orofar |
| 18:42.40 | mikma | well, eir then? |
| 18:42.58 | MoonWitch | I'll give you a pointer |
| 18:43.03 | MoonWitch | it's a shared strong dislike |
| 18:43.09 | mikma | ckk |
| 18:43.12 | MoonWitch | no |
| 18:43.17 | mikma | cairenn|afk? |
| 18:43.22 | MoonWitch | certainly now |
| 18:43.24 | MoonWitch | not8 |
| 18:43.25 | MoonWitch | * |
| 18:43.28 | mikma | :D |
| 18:43.31 | mikma | <3 |
| 18:43.40 | mikma | hmmmmmmmm |
| 18:43.45 | mikma | now who do i hate here |
| 18:43.48 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 18:44.08 | mikma | it's fisker. did i say fisker? |
| 18:44.32 | MoonWitch | I would consider hating Fisker, but honestly, he has amused me |
| 18:44.44 | durcyn | if you hate fisker, he wins |
| 18:46.38 | Fisker | oh god i'm scared haste |
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| 18:46.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:47.00 | Lulia | I think MoonWitch meant it was a mutual dislike, as in the person she dislikes also dislikes her. No? |
| 18:48.16 | olafski | then it could be me |
| 18:48.17 | olafski | wait |
| 18:48.25 | olafski | oops ;) |
| 18:49.02 | Lulia | How can you dislike MoonWitch?? :P |
| 18:49.04 | Lulia | ;) |
| 18:49.57 | mitchnull | anyone happen to know the icon path for the minimap arrow? (that shows the player) |
| 18:50.19 | Iriel | The model? |
| 18:50.35 | mitchnull | I'd need a .tga or .blp or whatever |
| 18:50.41 | mitchnull | I want to SetTexture it |
| 18:50.56 | Iriel | I dont think it exists as a texture |
| 18:51.01 | mitchnull | bummer |
| 18:51.10 | mitchnull | need to find a nice arrow then ;) |
| 18:51.20 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.23 | Iriel | I think that's the best |
| 18:51.26 | Iriel | beast, even |
| 18:51.46 | MoonWitch | Lulia, I meant "the person I dislike is disliked by others as well) |
| 18:52.03 | MoonWitch | it's an mdx? |
| 18:52.16 | MoonWitch | oh the player arrow from the minimap |
| 18:52.30 | mitchnull | moonwitch: tuller? :) |
| 18:52.40 | MoonWitch | noo, I like Tuller |
| 18:53.21 | mitchnull | moonwitch: yeah, I know who you mean |
| 18:53.44 | Tuller | hitler! |
| 18:53.52 | MoonWitch | in the damn channel :P |
| 18:54.03 | MoonWitch | not in the world history (assuming he is in fact dead) |
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| 18:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | anyone else having problems with gatherer's hud and minimap stuff? :O |
| 19:00.13 | Mr_Rabies | derp nevermind i'm dumb |
| 19:01.19 | mikma | fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:01.27 | mikma | taxi is late like teenager girl |
| 19:08.12 | MoonWitch | i just realized I haven't gotten out of my PJs all day |
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| 19:10.50 | olafski | :D |
| 19:16.36 | Arrowmaster | are you thinking what im thinking? |
| 19:16.37 | krka | I think so, Arrowmaster, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel left out? |
| 19:18.41 | Cide | I think that's a very real risk |
| 19:26.41 | MoonWitch | you weren't gone long |
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| 19:27.41 | Cide | I'm never gone long |
| 19:28.50 | MoonWitch | thank god for that |
| 19:30.44 | Cide | I need to protect the channel |
| 19:30.54 | MoonWitch | yes, yes you do |
| 19:31.46 | MoonWitch | well -- if I am not constantly using wifi, and flashlighting -- this battery lasts long. :) |
| 19:33.08 | Shirik | flashlighting? |
| 19:33.25 | MoonWitch | i was checking something in the crawl space earlier |
| 19:33.34 | MoonWitch | was too lazy to look for my flashlight |
| 19:33.47 | MoonWitch | so i used the torch function in the legend :P |
| 19:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone on the wow beta right now? |
| 19:36.22 | ScytheBlade1 | sitting next to someone who has it atm |
| 19:36.27 | Amarande | Heya MoonWitch :) |
| 19:36.35 | MoonWitch | most of us are I think |
| 19:36.38 | MoonWitch | hey Amarande :) |
| 19:36.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
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| 19:44.54 | Flowyk | > true and print("this") |
| 19:45.00 | Flowyk | why it have two returns? |
| 19:45.04 | Flowyk | lua> true and print("this") |
| 19:45.04 | lua_bot | Flowyk: this, nil |
| 19:45.28 | Flowyk | ah ok |
| 19:45.39 | Cide | because luabot is doing magic |
| 19:45.44 | MoonWitch | you could install lua on your machine :) |
| 19:45.49 | Flowyk | yes its wizzard bot |
| 19:45.57 | MentalPower | s/could/should/ |
| 19:46.11 | MoonWitch | thanks MP I was trying to be polite :P |
| 19:46.21 | MentalPower | :) |
| 19:47.18 | Cide | it only has one return value |
| 19:47.24 | Cide | go test it in lua> |
| 19:47.25 | Flowyk | GOT IT |
| 19:47.32 | Cide | then use it |
| 19:47.32 | olafski | what kind of addon is flowy making anyway |
| 19:47.39 | Cide | nobody wants to know |
| 19:47.45 | MoonWitch | nuclear warhead in computer? |
| 19:48.31 | Flowyk | Cide I got it faster than you come here to say to read pil |
| 19:49.13 | Amarande | Moon, you agree not to use iTunes to create nuclear weapons. :) |
| 19:49.32 | MoonWitch | I would never use iTunes ... I dislike iTunes. |
| 19:49.37 | olafski | glad I never agreed to use itunes :D |
| 19:49.42 | Amarande | (Yeah, I think it actually SAYS that in the agreement ... LOL, no idea why they felt a reason to say that) |
| 19:49.55 | kd3 | a lot of things say that |
| 19:49.58 | kd3 | like the java SDK |
| 19:50.08 | Amarande | YOU MAY NOT POWER YOUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS WITH JAVA |
| 19:51.00 | Cide | Flowyk: after we had to give you the answer, sure |
| 19:51.09 | Amarande | (Really, you should be using something reliable like Ada, anyway, and if your country is so technologically inept that they order you to power their nukes with Java, they deserve what's coming to them. :D) |
| 19:51.22 | olafski | ahh.. java hate |
| 19:51.29 | olafski | been at least 12 hours since I last saw that here |
| 19:51.31 | olafski | so mature! |
| 19:51.38 | Amarande | olafski: it's not exactly the most stable and reliable language for mission critical applications. :) |
| 19:51.53 | olafski | if you say so |
| 19:51.55 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I've used plenty of Java apps, and I've encountered critical bugs in pretty much ... all of them |
| 19:52.04 | olafski | used java apps or wrote them? |
| 19:52.06 | Amarande | used. |
| 19:52.09 | olafski | lol |
| 19:52.13 | Amarande | I still remember in particular the time I played pool on Yahoo |
| 19:52.23 | olafski | hay guyz C++ sucks because I used an app that was made with C++ and it had bugz |
| 19:52.28 | Amarande | and the java applet managed to go through 512MB (what I had at the time, this was many years ago) of RAM like nothing and crash the PC |
| 19:52.28 | Flowyk | Cide: dont understand "after" in there |
| 19:52.45 | Cide | it's pretty self explanitory :) |
| 19:52.47 | Amarande | it leaked memory like you leak HP after you've had unbound plague more than ten seconds or so |
| 19:52.48 | olafski | must be java's fault amarande! |
| 19:52.58 | Flowyk | I got it BEFORE you come |
| 19:53.01 | MoonWitch | mikma -- see what I was trying to explain in pm? |
| 19:53.02 | Flowyk | 204530 Flowyk : ah ok |
| 19:53.05 | olafski | there's no way that the guy who made that program could have done that |
| 19:53.19 | olafski | (bugs are always the language's fault amirite) |
| 19:53.22 | MoonWitch | Cide, you came while in the channel? how -- impolite |
| 19:53.50 | Amarande | more to the point, java apps do not generally have direct access to the hardware, which would make using them to power nukes a bit impossible, agreement or no. :) |
| 19:54.04 | Cide | Flowyk: why don't you explain what happens then |
| 19:54.04 | MoonWitch | anyhow, back to git rebase |
| 19:54.06 | olafski | if you're going to say java isn't good for realtime applications you're probably right.. as for saying it's unstable because some app you used ate up a lot of memory - lol |
| 19:54.18 | Cide | so I can be sure you actually know what that means |
| 19:54.25 | Flowyk | Cide you know it ... |
| 19:54.32 | Cide | yes |
| 19:54.33 | Amarande | olafski: java isn't even good on systems where you even care about the clock at all heh |
| 19:54.34 | Cide | I want to be sure you do |
| 19:54.41 | Amarande | I still remember when I used to play Pogo online games |
| 19:54.43 | olafski | amarande: "realtime applications" |
| 19:54.48 | Amarande | and every time I played one that had a timer at all |
| 19:54.52 | Flowyk | first is return of my "print" ... the second is return of "and" |
| 19:55.03 | Amarande | my system clock would race until it was often 10, 15 minutes ahead |
| 19:55.04 | Cide | wrong |
| 19:55.06 | nevcairiel | Applets is not Java. Applets are the evil |
| 19:55.06 | cbreak | hard realtime? |
| 19:55.13 | olafski | amarande: lol again |
| 19:55.16 | cbreak | like audio processing? |
| 19:55.19 | Cide | in fact that was not even close to being right |
| 19:55.20 | Amarande | then it would sync back (and then the timer on the current game would actually STOP for the next 10 or 15 minutes ...) |
| 19:55.23 | cbreak | or ultra hard realtime like process control? |
| 19:55.26 | olafski | are you really that clueless amarande :( |
| 19:55.29 | Amarande | olafski: then again, we must take into account who owns and operates Pogo. :) |
| 19:55.35 | MoonWitch | YES!! I loves rebase |
| 19:55.45 | olafski | cbreak: I'd say at least for the latter java is not very well suited :) |
| 19:55.47 | Flowyk | Cide rly? I dont need to know the truth while it work |
| 19:55.49 | Amarande | they're not especially known for caring much about non-sports products. |
| 19:55.56 | cbreak | olafski: nothing with a GC is |
| 19:56.02 | Amarande | or even much about their sports products lately apart from graphics and roster upgrades. :| |
| 19:56.02 | cbreak | nothing with threads is |
| 19:56.03 | olafski | cbreak: exactly :) |
| 19:56.08 | Cide | then don't say you got it before we explained it when you still don't get it |
| 19:56.31 | MoonWitch | afk |
| 19:56.41 | cbreak | there's some java application I use for networking |
| 19:56.43 | Amarande | but hey, this just means that at least if Electronic Arts ever decides to try to take over the world with nuclear weapons, they'll probably epicfail on the coding and obliterate themselves ;) |
| 19:56.54 | cbreak | it uses around 250 THREADS on average |
| 19:57.08 | nevcairiel | thats not too bad |
| 19:57.10 | cbreak | that's like 5 threads per connection... |
| 19:57.16 | cbreak | my machine only has 8 cores... |
| 19:57.17 | olafski | amarande: java is super stable and never takes up more than 10MB of memory, I used an app that did that |
| 19:57.29 | cbreak | I think java programmers are idiots who never heard of asynchronous programming |
| 19:57.46 | Amarande | I've never really been able to get into Java much |
| 19:57.48 | cbreak | it barely stays alive with 400mb of memory |
| 19:57.55 | cbreak | (which is less than firefox though... :) |
| 19:57.57 | Amarande | Or even C++ for that matter, while I love regular C |
| 19:57.57 | nevcairiel | Java, like any programming language, is just as good as the programmer |
| 19:58.07 | olafski | nevcairiel++ |
| 19:58.14 | nevcairiel | Except Applets |
| 19:58.15 | Amarande | OO has just never really been my paradigm of choice |
| 19:58.17 | nevcairiel | applets are evil |
| 19:58.25 | nevcairiel | don't consider them part of java |
| 19:58.28 | cbreak | OO is very nice if it's useful |
| 19:58.47 | olafski | jeez why did I go and watch CSI while eating dinner |
| 19:58.58 | cbreak | olafski: because Bones didn't run? |
| 19:58.58 | Amarande | olafski, is Grissom giving you a close up of the inside of his fridge? |
| 19:59.07 | Amarande | or is this a post-Grissom episode? |
| 19:59.08 | olafski | grissom has been out for years.. :) |
| 19:59.17 | olafski | this is the latest episode |
| 19:59.20 | olafski | never seen that cbreak :) |
| 19:59.23 | Amarande | it's not the same without grissom :( |
| 19:59.30 | olafski | hey now we have Morpheus |
| 19:59.34 | cbreak | It looks fun sometimes |
| 20:01.28 | olafski | I think I've watched all of 10 hours of cable tv since I got my tv.. 3 years ago |
| 20:01.53 | cbreak | and then you decide to watch csi? |
| 20:01.56 | cbreak | bad taste... |
| 20:02.10 | olafski | I download all my shows |
| 20:02.16 | olafski | watching them when they're aired seems to inefficient |
| 20:02.32 | cbreak | yeah, because they get aired years after they are on the web :/ |
| 20:02.42 | olafski | that too |
| 20:02.52 | olafski | but having to sit at the tv when the network decides to air stuff.. meh :) |
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| 20:03.13 | cbreak | there are time shifting devices |
| 20:03.27 | olafski | true that |
| 20:03.39 | olafski | still, I think some of the shows I watch don't even air here.. or years later as you say |
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| 20:10.56 | Amarande | olafski you need to watch Alien while eating spaghetti :) |
| 20:11.39 | MoonWitch|Mobile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.36 | Amarande | what's easy Moon? :) |
| 20:18.44 | olafski | just watching alien will make me fall asleep |
| 20:18.49 | olafski | such horrible movies |
| 20:18.54 | Amarande | that's because for the first HOUR or so like NOTHING HAPPENS |
| 20:19.02 | MoonWitch|Mobile | no |
| 20:19.05 | Amarande | it starts off as slow as The Eye of the World, practically |
| 20:19.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | too little naked people |
| 20:19.19 | Amarande | (and FWIW, Wheel of Time also has a shortage of naked people.) |
| 20:19.28 | cbreak | I saw a report about a movie that only contains some guy in a coffin today |
| 20:19.32 | Amarande | and speaking of shortages, where the hell is all the goddamn sungrass lately |
| 20:19.49 | cbreak | come on, a movie, only about one guy in a coffin? with a cell phone and a lighter? how interesting is that? |
| 20:19.53 | Amarande | There's never even been enough for one stack on AH, and I'm seeming to find a lot less than usual when going out into zones to farm it |
| 20:20.07 | Flowyk | pattern - "%a*%d*" or "[%a%d]*" |
| 20:20.13 | Flowyk | what is better for cpu? |
| 20:20.21 | olafski | try it and see |
| 20:20.29 | olafski | can't tell the difference? then don't care |
| 20:20.41 | olafski | yeesh, still no mining trainer in goldshire? |
| 20:20.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i suck at patterns and even I see the diff >< |
| 20:21.54 | dafrito | Those don't mean the same thing |
| 20:22.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | exactly the point :P |
| 20:22.47 | dafrito | The second one will match "ababab" completely, where the first one won't |
| 20:22.58 | Amarande | also, am I gathering it right that they intend us to get almost all our honor now from the bonus from winning a battleground? |
| 20:23.19 | Amarande | the win bonus seems to make the kills almost worthless by comparison |
| 20:23.32 | olafski | how about wintergrasp? |
| 20:23.34 | Amarande | (and I'm starting to think the loser's compensation may be INSTEAD of your kill honor rather than in addition to?) |
| 20:23.45 | olafski | still haven't decided which char to delete to make a worgen =( guess it'll be my rogue |
| 20:24.04 | Amarande | or do I just get so little kill honor now that the loser's compensation just *seems* to replace rather than add to it? |
| 20:33.44 | Cide | "%a*%d*" and "[%a%d]*" aren't equivalent |
| 20:33.48 | Cide | so your question is meaningless |
| 20:36.44 | nevcairiel | guess he also needs a class in regular expressions/DFAs |
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| 20:45.11 | Amarande | Afternoon Cairenn :) |
| 20:45.20 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 20:45.24 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 20:45.28 | Humbedooh | afternoon, Humbedooh :) |
| 20:45.33 | Humbedooh | why hello there, Humbedooh! |
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| 20:45.52 | Cairenn | Amarande: vertical |
| 20:50.38 | Amarande | anything fun going on this weekend? |
| 20:51.16 | Humbedooh | well uhm... |
| 20:51.52 | Humbedooh | I'm gonna watch the annual Hubertus Hunt tomorrow :> |
| 20:52.00 | Amarande | the what? |
| 20:52.32 | nevcairiel | its some weird riding thing |
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| 20:52.46 | Humbedooh | it's a fox hunt without foxes |
| 20:52.46 | nevcairiel | crazy danes |
| 20:52.55 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:53.14 | Amarande | nev, I'm guessing flying mounts are a violation of the rules :) |
| 20:53.16 | Humbedooh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FXki72oe3M or such |
| 20:56.38 | Cide | what the fuck |
| 20:56.38 | Humbedooh | hrmm, since when has numbers been allowed in character names in wow o.O |
| 20:56.50 | Cide | 40k people show up to watch a bunch of horse riders go over a pond? |
| 20:57.01 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: never |
| 20:57.17 | Humbedooh | hrmm, I see people with numbers |
| 20:57.18 | Cide | "Each year - the first Sunday in November the Sports riding club (Sportsriddeklubben in Danish) arrange the Hubertus hunt with some 100 riders. Up to 40.000 people show up as audience to the hunt and most of them want to see the riders force the little pond - called Magasindammen - behind the castle of Herimitage - and not all them make it dryshod!" |
| 20:57.49 | Humbedooh | well that's just 'cause there's always some noob who can't make the jump, Cide |
| 20:57.59 | Cide | and that attracts 40k people |
| 20:58.05 | Cide | mind = blown |
| 20:58.08 | Humbedooh | last year one of the riders almost got herself killed |
| 20:58.15 | nevcairiel | Its the same reason you watch Formula 1, for the crashes! |
| 20:58.26 | Humbedooh | she fell off, got up, and another horse jumped right in her face |
| 20:58.41 | Cide | gotta deliver when 40k people are watching |
| 20:58.51 | Cide | WHY ARE FOURTY THOUSAND PEOPLE WATCHING AGAIN? |
| 20:59.00 | nevcairiel | its crazy danes |
| 20:59.02 | Humbedooh | that's just one small pond :\ |
| 20:59.12 | Cide | that sounds like the most boring thing ever |
| 20:59.14 | Humbedooh | there's liek.. a thousand acres of stuff before that |
| 20:59.32 | Cide | uh huh |
| 20:59.40 | nevcairiel | Cide: thats the most exciting thing in denmark the whole year |
| 20:59.41 | Cide | "most of them want to see the riders force the little pond" |
| 20:59.55 | Humbedooh | it's a tradition :p |
| 21:00.05 | Cide | so is going to church |
| 21:00.08 | Humbedooh | and nev, germans don't get to call other nations weird, pfft |
| 21:00.20 | nevcairiel | nah, we get to invade other nations |
| 21:00.25 | Cide | >:) |
| 21:00.33 | Humbedooh | with your...saurkraut and lederhosen and stuff |
| 21:00.43 | nevcairiel | thats bavaria, not germany |
| 21:00.50 | Cide | uh huh |
| 21:01.00 | Humbedooh | last I looked, bayern was a part of germany :\ |
| 21:01.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, but we don't want it |
| 21:01.20 | nevcairiel | crazy people down there |
| 21:01.25 | olafski | mm sauerkraut |
| 21:01.27 | Humbedooh | you only want their beer |
| 21:02.27 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:02.36 | Amarande | do vanilla elemental transmute recipes still have a CD, or was that removed long ago? |
| 21:03.01 | nevcairiel | removed long ago |
| 21:03.12 | Amarande | and do I still need a philosopher's stone? |
| 21:03.28 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 21:03.35 | Amarande | it's occurring to me that making pots and elixirs is getting really annoying past 250 or so |
| 21:03.36 | nevcairiel | or one of the alchemists stones |
| 21:03.43 | Amarande | mostly due to a pissing shortage of sungrass on this server :( |
| 21:03.48 | nevcairiel | .. which you dont have at that skill level :p |
| 21:03.52 | Amarande | the herb nodes seem to be rarer than I remember them, and there's hardly ANY on the AH |
| 21:04.37 | Amarande | reminds me of mithril when I had an engineer and was leveling it through that |
| 21:04.45 | Amarande | of course, mithril will be easy to get in cata ... thorium will be the pain in the ass |
| 21:05.01 | nevcairiel | why would mithril be easier then thorium |
| 21:05.12 | Amarande | nev: area level changes |
| 21:05.25 | Humbedooh | oh ye |
| 21:05.26 | Amarande | most of the areas that gave thorium are having their levels lowered, so they'll probably be mithril sources instead then |
| 21:05.35 | Humbedooh | hm, un goro as well? |
| 21:05.37 | Cide | because there is the hinterlands |
| 21:05.39 | Cide | $$$ |
| 21:05.50 | Amarande | like plaguelands, currently thorium, I'm anticipating mostly mithril in cata |
| 21:05.53 | nevcairiel | there is still many zones that drop thorium, and you can fly now |
| 21:06.06 | Cide | like a freeeeee bird |
| 21:06.15 | Humbedooh | only if you believe in faries, nevcairiel |
| 21:06.48 | Humbedooh | which ofc ain't a problem for you ^^ |
| 21:07.11 | Humbedooh | meh, more people with numbers in their names...UTF bug maybe? |
| 21:07.26 | nevcairiel | I believe in ferrys |
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| 21:08.48 | Shirik | Cide |
| 21:08.50 | Shirik | why $$$ |
| 21:08.52 | Amarande | I dunno, there's all kinds of bugs in 4.0.1 that are getting really irritating though |
| 21:08.56 | Amarande | like I did a BG today |
| 21:09.01 | olafski | I always go for ungoro for thorium |
| 21:09.01 | Amarande | and stayed a ghost for well over a minute |
| 21:09.03 | olafski | leveling mining right now :D |
| 21:09.12 | Amarande | because I didn't rez when the rez came up like I'm supposed to :| |
| 21:09.18 | Amarande | I think it failed to rez me TWICE, actually |
| 21:09.27 | Cide | Shirik: because there's a lot of mithril in the hinterlands? :P |
| 21:09.29 | nevcairiel | you just got killed really fast again |
| 21:09.31 | Shirik | o |
| 21:09.39 | Cide | you like taking my statements out of context! |
| 21:09.41 | Amarande | nev: no, the timer just went back to 30 seconds without rezzing me |
| 21:10.12 | Amarande | and I hadn't been moved to a different GY so it wasn't the base being capped by ally just as it was time to rez |
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| 21:11.48 | Cide | why is skype on linux awful |
| 21:12.14 | nevcairiel | because its a badly ported windows tool |
| 21:12.14 | arkanes | because skype hates freedom |
| 21:12.22 | nevcairiel | also, linux sound architecture is horrible |
| 21:12.29 | Cide | truth nevcairiel |
| 21:12.46 | Cide | skype is awesome though |
| 21:12.49 | Cide | just not on linux |
| 21:12.50 | Cide | sadly |
| 21:13.37 | MoonWitch | Cide I recall trying for 3 damn days to get skype working |
| 21:13.44 | MoonWitch | in the end I just gave up :P |
| 21:15.06 | MoonWitch | ps anyone else in here a fan of Sanctuary? |
| 21:15.28 | Cide | sure |
| 21:15.35 | Cide | can't wait to explore more of it |
| 21:15.44 | Cide | but they're so slow at releasing that stuff :( |
| 21:15.58 | MoonWitch | am watching S03E02 right now |
| 21:16.53 | MoonWitch | I actually bought the dvd's as well - which is very new for me :P |
| 21:17.17 | Cide | didn't know they made a tv series about diablo? |
| 21:17.30 | MoonWitch | ok we're talking about different things then :P |
| 21:17.53 | MoonWitch | I am talking about a fantasy scifi series with Amanda Tapping by Damien Kindler |
| 21:19.12 | industrial | hm what? whats it called |
| 21:19.17 | MoonWitch | Sanctuary |
| 21:19.19 | industrial | wtb fantasy series and new cool sci-fies |
| 21:19.20 | industrial | k |
| 21:19.48 | MoonWitch | personally, I watched the webisodes first, 1st season is the redone webisodes , 2nd season was awesome |
| 21:20.02 | MoonWitch | most if filmed in front of a green screen with HD camera :) |
| 21:20.29 | industrial | getting it all now \o/ |
| 21:20.48 | MoonWitch | I hope you enjoy it as much I did and do :) |
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| 21:22.24 | industrial | Yeah I was getting into anime again but I find it harder and harder to cope with annoyances. Keep seeing the same character types and retarded behaviour |
| 21:22.49 | industrial | I'm also totally done with anything involving a (high)school situation |
| 21:22.57 | nevcairiel | so, all anime is out. |
| 21:23.14 | industrial | Not really, but it seems I watched all the good ones.. |
| 21:23.21 | MoonWitch | initially it'll look odd -- and occasionally some effects seem wonky.. but overall I do like the story, the plots .. it has supernatural (a lot of it) but it's a fun concept |
| 21:23.24 | industrial | I really really love Gundam, and need to finish seeing everything :p |
| 21:23.34 | industrial | macross is nice too |
| 21:23.45 | olafski | nge :< |
| 21:23.50 | olafski | all other anime is meh! |
| 21:24.27 | olafski | nge isn't that great either but for an anime it's ok |
| 21:24.54 | industrial | olafski: i preger gundam wing, seed, seed destiny to most other mecha series :P |
| 21:25.19 | olafski | nge has robots in it like 5% of the time |
| 21:26.01 | industrial | I love the massive scale war, seeing every side, lots of plots and people and timelines and etcetc :P |
| 21:26.07 | MoonWitch | dont know if it's really anime .. but Blood+, Death note and Ergo Proxy and then my love Elfenlied |
| 21:26.18 | industrial | not just war pow pow poof poof, but also the political situation |
| 21:27.08 | olafski | oh apparently transformers is anime too.. so that one rocks |
| 21:27.23 | MoonWitch | well if transformers is anime too .. then add transformers to the list |
| 21:27.44 | MoonWitch | yes, I was the ONLY girl in 3 schools with Transformers sneakers (as opposed to My Little Pony crap) |
| 21:28.30 | olafski | :D |
| 21:28.49 | olafski | I love it.. wish I still had my metroplex |
| 21:29.03 | cbreak | Zegapain is a nice anime involving robots. or Scrapped Princess |
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| 21:29.35 | Dajova | Code Gease is a nice anime as well, lots of bots :P |
| 21:29.43 | Cide | a question |
| 21:29.47 | Cide | does everyone watch anime these days? |
| 21:29.52 | cbreak | I didn't like Code Gease |
| 21:29.55 | cbreak | much too depressing |
| 21:29.55 | olafski | not me cide :) |
| 21:30.00 | Dajova | everyone has, once or twice |
| 21:30.04 | Amarande | gah, why was my little pony popular anyway |
| 21:30.06 | Cide | I have never |
| 21:30.09 | Cide | stop generalizing |
| 21:30.13 | cbreak | Cide: not only these days. The last dozen years :) |
| 21:30.13 | Dajova | pokemon? |
| 21:30.15 | nevcairiel | Cide: never have either |
| 21:30.19 | Cide | nope |
| 21:30.22 | Cide | I played pokemon though |
| 21:30.23 | Amarande | I guess if you wanted to catch diabetes without having to eat sugar, MLP might be okay, but ... :P |
| 21:30.31 | Dajova | lol |
| 21:30.43 | Dajova | sailor moon? :P |
| 21:31.03 | Cide | hell no |
| 21:31.08 | nevcairiel | Yeah, i played pokemon on the gameboy, but i never really watched it, maybe half an episode while zapping or something, but i dont consider that watching |
| 21:31.27 | Dajova | well, it was fun while it was popular |
| 21:31.45 | Cide | I don't think that watching anime stuff that's on regular children's television really counts though |
| 21:32.01 | Cide | I'm more interested in how many people watch anime as adults |
| 21:32.31 | nevcairiel | the only animation i watch is simpsons and futurama :d |
| 21:32.39 | Dajova | well, the view on what type of anime you watch changes a lot during the year |
| 21:32.51 | Cide | it wasn't about what type but "if" |
| 21:33.09 | Dajova | dependes what generation you're grown up in :P |
| 21:33.13 | cbreak | I also liked Big O, but it was weird. |
| 21:33.18 | cbreak | as far as robot animes go |
| 21:33.26 | Cide | I don't see what you're talking aout at all Dajova |
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| 21:34.14 | Cide | and what generation did you grow up in? |
| 21:34.30 | Dajova | if you are a country boy/girl, you dont get to watch much tv, as opposed to a city boy/girl... so the more tv you watch, the more you explore what's fun to watch |
| 21:34.54 | olafski | .. and then you choose to watch anime |
| 21:35.00 | Cide | you're generalizing a fair bit I think :P |
| 21:35.00 | Dajova | not only |
| 21:35.05 | Zasurus | Hi guys. Something is causing me some problems and I think I have worked it out but not sure... if you make a variable = a table does it use a pointer? As in if I change the first table will the copy also change? |
| 21:35.11 | Cide | I'm a city boy, living in a lonely world |
| 21:35.13 | Dajova | maybe, but that's my experience! |
| 21:35.23 | Cide | and I've never explored anime |
| 21:35.28 | cbreak | Zasurus: tables are reference types |
| 21:35.36 | olafski | I think this might not be a representative portion of the population here though |
| 21:35.49 | Zasurus | cbreak: OK is there a way to make a copy? |
| 21:35.51 | olafski | my experience is that "geeks" tend to watch anime more than non-geeks :) |
| 21:35.53 | cbreak | yse |
| 21:35.55 | cbreak | do it yourself |
| 21:36.05 | Zasurus | ? |
| 21:36.22 | nevcairiel | I watch a whole lot of tv |
| 21:36.24 | Dajova | depends what type of "geek" you're referring to, olafski :P |
| 21:36.27 | cbreak | loop over the table recursively and copy |
| 21:36.30 | nevcairiel | but i never even considered watchign anime |
| 21:36.38 | Dajova | i know a lot of pretty girls who watches anime as well |
| 21:36.49 | olafski | me neither nevcairiel.. a previous girlfriend liked it though so I watched a bit with her |
| 21:36.54 | olafski | never on my own.. such a waste of time |
| 21:36.54 | Zasurus | Right so any strings etc won't cause references but a table will. :-) Thanks |
| 21:37.04 | Arrowmaster | olafski: what did you watch with her? |
| 21:37.18 | Dajova | prob my little pony... |
| 21:37.21 | cbreak | Zasurus: strings are also reference types, effectively |
| 21:37.22 | Dajova | xD |
| 21:37.24 | olafski | arrowmaster: nge, lain, hellsing and akira |
| 21:37.28 | olafski | I don't remember anything else |
| 21:37.29 | cbreak | but since they are immutable, it doesn't matter to you |
| 21:37.33 | olafski | lain especially was absolute torture |
| 21:37.42 | Dajova | ah yeah, Akira was one of my first animes i watched :P |
| 21:37.47 | Dajova | when i was 10 |
| 21:37.49 | Arrowmaster | hellsing was good |
| 21:37.49 | olafski | first one for me too |
| 21:37.51 | olafski | such an emo movie |
| 21:38.12 | olafski | oh I've also seen spirited away and ghost in the shell |
| 21:38.12 | Dajova | hehe |
| 21:38.15 | Topper727 | girlfriend says Akira was 1980's she didn't like that one much |
| 21:38.20 | Dajova | such oldies :P |
| 21:38.23 | Arrowmaster | 1988 |
| 21:38.24 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 21:38.37 | Dajova | yeah, somewhere around when i was born ^^ |
| 21:38.48 | Topper727 | She says unico.. |
| 21:38.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont think theres anybody that could dislike ghost in the shell, such an awesome show |
| 21:39.16 | olafski | it's a show? I watched a movie |
| 21:39.16 | nevcairiel | I just don't like anime :p |
| 21:39.19 | Dajova | well, never really watched it, but if i started, maybe not |
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| 21:39.49 | Arrowmaster | theres 2 full length tv series of it plus a movie for the tv series, and there are 2 movies not connected to the tv series |
| 21:40.04 | olafski | no clue which one I've seen then |
| 21:40.11 | Dajova | generally staying to follow a few animes nowadays anyway... most anime is free-fan-service nowadays anyway |
| 21:40.16 | Arrowmaster | probably the first of the independant movies |
| 21:40.17 | olafski | at any rate I would generally rather stare at a wall than watch anime |
| 21:40.42 | cbreak | your spectrum of anime knowledge seems rather limited |
| 21:41.00 | Dajova | well, i know one anime that i think most ppl that doesnt like anime, would like ;) |
| 21:41.01 | Arrowmaster | i made industrial finally start watch Baccano last night |
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| 21:41.56 | Dajova | its rather old, but still making movies and episodes... i think they have made 11 movies or so during the past years |
| 21:42.13 | Arrowmaster | my mom watched Baccano with me, she normally only watches some anime movies when im watching them, not full series |
| 21:42.18 | olafski | dajova: the simpsons? |
| 21:42.25 | Dajova | harr harr |
| 21:42.31 | Dajova | its not a anime, u fool >_> |
| 21:42.52 | nevcairiel | 21 full seasons and counting :p |
| 21:42.54 | olafski | why so serious |
| 21:42.59 | Dajova | nah, talking about Detective Conan |
| 21:43.11 | Arrowmaster | never seen it |
| 21:43.21 | olafski | even if my spectrum is limited, I'd say I've seen enough to make my opinion not entirely baseless |
| 21:43.22 | Dajova | not serious, do i look serious? d[-_-]b |
| 21:43.39 | olafski | and if there's one anime that's not like the rest and I would like it, that could still mean that I generally dislike anime ;) |
| 21:43.40 | Dajova | well, its kinda like the japanese version of CSI :P |
| 21:43.44 | Arrowmaster | olafski: most of us tend to try to defend what we do that others might consider a serious waste of time |
| 21:43.57 | olafski | why? |
| 21:44.09 | foxlit | yay, 1v1 5-streak |
| 21:44.17 | cbreak | foxlit: what a waste of time |
| 21:44.21 | olafski | my colleagues at work think world of warcraft is a waste of time |
| 21:44.28 | cbreak | it is. |
| 21:44.32 | Dajova | cbreak: what a waste of time saying what a waste of time |
| 21:44.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah i agree with them |
| 21:44.40 | olafski | sure.. but I won't defend it, not a single word :) |
| 21:44.41 | Zasurus | cbreak: Does that mean that if it use tablename = nil; It won't free up the memory but just wipe the pointer? |
| 21:44.44 | cbreak | Dajova: that's what IRC is used for |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | cbreak: meh? |
| 21:44.51 | cbreak | Zasurus: of coursre |
| 21:44.52 | Dajova | orly! |
| 21:45.10 | Dajova | meh, all this chatting about nothing made me thirsty, brb! |
| 21:45.12 | olafski | if they want to spend their off-days going on holidays or drinking that's their choice +) |
| 21:45.21 | cbreak | Zasurus: if you want to free up memory in Lua, you have to wait for the GC to do it for you |
| 21:45.28 | nevcairiel | Zasurus: Lua has garbage collection, once the last pointer is dropped, it'll eventually be recycled. Its not instant, however |
| 21:45.39 | Cide | nor is it worth caring about in 99% of the time |
| 21:45.42 | Zasurus | K thanks |
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| 21:45.49 | cbreak | lua's GC isn't bad |
| 21:46.01 | cbreak | but if you write terrible code, you can cause performance problems anyway |
| 21:46.07 | cbreak | (like creating tables in an OnUpdate...) |
| 21:46.08 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:46.16 | Cide | while 1 do end loops are particular performance hogs |
| 21:46.17 | Zasurus | :-) |
| 21:46.37 | nevcairiel | Cide: but how else would i cause a delay in my code without sleep()! |
| 21:46.40 | olafski | one of my addons used to cause some fps loss too.. I still haven't figured out why, the math isn't that difficult |
| 21:47.06 | MoonWitch | i haqve a weird pelvis |
| 21:47.07 | Cide | it's rarely the math that's a problem :P |
| 21:47.09 | Dajova | none of mine has yet and no one has complained either xD |
| 21:47.27 | olafski | cide: sure, but it's something about the calculation I'm doing that is messing things up =( |
| 21:47.47 | Zasurus | I have one that does but I haven't touched it in a while... Never worked out why but def has bad effect! LOL |
| 21:48.58 | zenzelezz | http://www.chilloutpoint.com/images/2010/05/20-most-hilarious-movie-poster-remakes/20-most-hilarious-movie-poster-remakes-06.jpg |
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| 21:54.32 | MoonWitch | snuggles up between Cairenn and Seerah cuz she's cold. |
| 21:54.50 | Seerah | hands MoonWitch a pair of slippers |
| 21:54.52 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch and rubs her arms |
| 21:55.07 | MoonWitch | awww |
| 21:55.12 | Cide | I sense a girl clique |
| 21:55.15 | MoonWitch | (notice the difference in actions) |
| 21:55.20 | Lulia | :P |
| 21:55.42 | Fisker | i lost so much datas Cide :( |
| 21:55.51 | Cide | why are you not like jesus? |
| 21:56.05 | Cide | y'see... jesus saves |
| 21:56.24 | Cairenn | ... everyone else takes 10 dmg |
| 21:56.24 | Lulia | So... for some reason, adding some logic to my code to change the size of the frame depending on what type of DK Rune it is gives me an error about how fontHeight is 0 and must be greater than 0 in my CreateFont function |
| 21:56.27 | Lulia | >.> |
| 21:56.37 | Fisker | moo: hdd: C:\ 14.59GB/74.43GB D:\ 0B/0B F:\ 1.79TB/1.82TB |
| 21:56.41 | Fisker | 0b/0b :( |
| 21:57.02 | MoonWitch | Cide, it is a girl clique |
| 21:57.22 | MoonWitch | the only diff is they are ops, I am oblivion :) |
| 21:57.31 | Cide | did you set it to inherit from a real font Lulia? |
| 21:57.41 | Cide | real being "actually existing" |
| 21:57.45 | Dajova | begs MoonWitch for a webcam, brooling all over the screen like a 50y old pervert |
| 21:58.06 | Dajova | notice the error |
| 21:58.34 | Lulia | The nearest CreateFont function is several lines down, and yes, it inherits from a "real" font, it uses: Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF |
| 21:58.35 | MoonWitch | oh yes, very sexy, a girl in a bordeaux pyjama (spelling ?) |
| 21:59.09 | Dajova | any pyjamas is fine :) |
| 21:59.17 | Lulia | I dont understand why adding an if statement which has nothing to do with font would break my createfont function though |
| 22:00.55 | Lulia | Maybe I should use some print statements to find out where it's actually breaking :) |
| 22:00.56 | zenzelezz | Lulia: if you're looking for help, why don't you show us the code? |
| 22:01.27 | Lulia | Well, the main issue, Zenzelezz is that I wouldn't know which code to show you, since I'm unsure of what's breaking it. But I'll report back when I can isolate it better, I suppose. |
| 22:02.07 | zenzelezz | Lulia: you said that adding logic seemed to break it; the normal thing to do would be to show that piece of code and tell us what was changed |
| 22:03.44 | Lulia | It just doesn't make any sense that that code would break it, but, one sec. I'll get it pasted, I'll show the part added and the code breaking with the exact error |
| 22:04.32 | zenzelezz | the whole reason to show us the code is because it doesn't (to you) make sense, while others might see things differently, or had similar experiences :-p I'm saying this from experience, I've had some weird stuff break |
| 22:05.00 | Zasurus | cbreak: Thanks for that! SOO many of my problems have become ovious now I know they are pointing at each other! ;-) |
| 22:05.38 | Lulia | Here's the code, but let me explain some things before you look so you can understand it: http://paste.wowace.com/2813/ |
| 22:05.52 | cbreak | no problem. It's all written in the lua manual :) |
| 22:06.15 | Cide | two things |
| 22:06.22 | Cide | which line is breaking |
| 22:06.24 | zenzelezz | "Date posted 3 minutes from now" o_O |
| 22:06.27 | Cide | and why are you posting on wowace and not pastey |
| 22:06.35 | zenzelezz | you're posting in the future! |
| 22:06.42 | Lulia | One sec, Cide, I said I would explain! ;) |
| 22:06.49 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: that means your local clock is off, it uses javascript to produce those values |
| 22:06.59 | Cide | looking forward to the explanation of the latter |
| 22:07.04 | Cide | nevcairiel: why would it do that?! |
| 22:07.05 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: funky |
| 22:07.08 | Cide | that's insane |
| 22:07.44 | nevcairiel | Cide: it updates while you look at it! Also, doesn't require the user to configure his timezone to show a sane time |
| 22:07.56 | Cide | 3 minutes ago for the server is the same thing as 3 minutes ago for the client |
| 22:08.10 | Cide | and I don't really need to know that it was now 2 minutes ago instead of the one minute ago when I opened it |
| 22:08.42 | Zasurus | Lua manual you say... hum... so that's not wowpedia? :-P |
| 22:08.47 | nevcairiel | sure, but it doesnt show the offset time after a while, and i hate it when it says like "11:08 PST", rather see my own timezone :p |
| 22:08.49 | Lulia | Lines 1-7 are the lines that were added to the code, they were inserted 48 lines before line 9, if you need all of the code in that function I can post that too, just let me know. Line 9 is the function call that breaks, aka, if I put a print statement before, it fires, if I put one after, I never see it. Lines 11-44 are the function that line 9 is calling, specifically I get the error: "Line 44 (or in the paste 30) ERROR: <unnam |
| 22:09.03 | Cide | do like facebook and always show timedeltas |
| 22:09.08 | Lulia | As for using WoWAce instead of pastey, I'm just used to using WoWAce's paste, is there a difference? |
| 22:09.24 | nevcairiel | nah there is not, cide just likes to bitch at people :D |
| 22:09.41 | Cide | you can display the local absolute time with javascript on hover like facebook does |
| 22:09.53 | MoonWitch | Indie, let me know if you like Sanctuary? (If possible of course.) |
| 22:09.56 | Cide | and since it's absolute time it's not affected by your screwed up clock if the tz settings are correct |
| 22:10.18 | nevcairiel | Cide: right, timezone again, which the user on facebook probably configures in his account. |
| 22:10.26 | Cide | yes, but you don't have to |
| 22:10.31 | Lulia | It should be noted, if you look at the CreateFont function, that if fontheight is 0, then it doesn't set a height. And SetFont, the line that it breaks on, doesn't even take a fontheight argument. |
| 22:10.31 | Cide | you can do *that* part with javascript |
| 22:10.35 | Lulia | It's a really odd error. |
| 22:10.37 | Cide | you don't have to do the delta part with javascript |
| 22:10.44 | Cide | that's just weird |
| 22:10.47 | Amarande | bah, I forgot how many plaguebloom I need to farm |
| 22:10.53 | MoonWitch | 200 |
| 22:11.34 | Amarande | 11, currently. |
| 22:11.48 | Amarande | and that will see me to 300, when I can finally stop worrying about old world mats insanity |
| 22:11.54 | Amarande | well at least until I get to LW |
| 22:12.12 | Amarande | 1-300 LW's mats requirement, I tend to describe as "every bondage dungeon in the state put together wouldn't have anywhere near enough leather" |
| 22:12.26 | Cide | Lulia: and what are you passing in as fontsize? |
| 22:12.51 | Amarande | Good news, everyone! I think I've perfected a plague that will destroy all life on Azeroth! |
| 22:13.06 | Amarande | Yeah, said plague has been perfected, it's called my skinner when she goes to farm all the leather I need :) |
| 22:13.11 | amro | are you thinking what I'm thinking? |
| 22:13.12 | krka | We eat the box, amro? |
| 22:13.12 | zenzelezz | Lulia: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/SetFont seems to say that the parameter you're passing fontsize to is called fontHeight, so I'm guessing it's complaining about your fontsize |
| 22:13.14 | Lulia | fontsize is defined as being either what I pass in the function or 12, in this particular instance it's the width of Cooldown divided by 2. |
| 22:13.24 | Shirik | why is everything a chibi on the Wii |
| 22:13.27 | Cide | and what's the width of Cooldown? |
| 22:13.29 | nevcairiel | Lulia: maybe thw width of cooldown is 0, then |
| 22:13.29 | Lulia | Ah, Zenzelezz, that would make sense. |
| 22:13.34 | amro | Shirik: because it's a wee... |
| 22:14.00 | Lulia | It's the width of the frame |
| 22:14.04 | Cide | obviously |
| 22:14.06 | Cide | what is its value |
| 22:14.08 | zenzelezz | lua> a = 0 or 12; print(a) |
| 22:14.08 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 0 |
| 22:14.25 | Lulia | Well I meant dynamically it's the width of the parent frame it's in, which can vary. Right now it would be.... |
| 22:14.32 | Cide | dum dum dum |
| 22:14.34 | Cide | zeroooo |
| 22:14.35 | zenzelezz | sounds like the Cooldown's width is 0 at the time |
| 22:14.41 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:14.47 | Lulia | Well yes, I was catching on to that |
| 22:14.56 | Lulia | But I don't see why it would be zero, that's what's confusing. |
| 22:14.58 | Cide | sounds like you... |
| 22:15.01 | Cide | zeroed in |
| 22:15.05 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:15.10 | Lulia | Gonna run a print statement just to confirm |
| 22:15.11 | zenzelezz | Cide: \o/ |
| 22:15.12 | *** part/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:15.16 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:15.20 | Shirik | fail command |
| 22:15.22 | Shirik | but good enough |
| 22:15.26 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 22:15.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide- (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:15.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide-] by ChanServ |
| 22:15.38 | Lulia | so confused |
| 22:15.46 | Cide- | wtf |
| 22:15.51 | Cide- | did you kill me shirik? |
| 22:15.56 | Shirik | maybe |
| 22:15.57 | zenzelezz | apparently |
| 22:16.14 | Shirik | it was supposed to say "that is unforgivable" |
| 22:16.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~Jamash@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:16.24 | Cide- | how |
| 22:16.25 | Lulia | Well, the width of Cooldown is indeed 0, though it shouldn't be. |
| 22:16.38 | Lulia | Thank you for helping me isolate the problem, I'll go about fixing it now that I know what it is. |
| 22:16.40 | Cide- | You were killed by NickServ [SVSNICK Collide] |
| 22:16.45 | Cide- | and that was amazing |
| 22:17.05 | Shirik | what |
| 22:17.08 | Shirik | that's not supposed to happen |
| 22:17.15 | Cide- | it's what happened... |
| 22:17.16 | Shirik | all I did was remove you from channel |
| 22:17.26 | Shirik | this must be tested further! |
| 22:17.29 | Cide- | bitch |
| 22:17.33 | Cide- | don't you dare |
| 22:17.38 | Shirik | :/ |
| 22:17.40 | Cide- | ok go |
| 22:17.42 | Shirik | You're lucky, I typed the command wrong |
| 22:17.44 | Shirik | oh yay |
| 22:17.50 | Cide- | FOR SCIENCE |
| 22:17.56 | *** part/#wowuidev Cide- (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:18.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:18.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:18.07 | Cide | worked as advertised that time |
| 22:18.13 | Shirik | I did only one thing different |
| 22:18.17 | amro | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lolocaust&action=history |
| 22:18.26 | Cide | well do it properly then |
| 22:18.34 | Shirik | wait |
| 22:18.36 | Shirik | your nick changed |
| 22:18.47 | Shirik | your client is doing something weird imo |
| 22:18.55 | Cide | wait |
| 22:19.08 | Cide | nvm |
| 22:19.14 | Cide | I never got killed |
| 22:19.17 | Cide | that was on another network ^_^ |
| 22:19.27 | amro | ~fail Cide |
| 22:19.27 | purl | Cide, you Fail! |
| 22:19.28 | Cide | was at the bottom of the irssi log when it booted me to the status channel |
| 22:20.02 | Shirik | fail |
| 22:20.05 | Shirik | so fail |
| 22:20.06 | Lulia | Oh, hey |
| 22:20.09 | Lulia | I see what the problem is |
| 22:20.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (~chatzilla@adsl-75-5-255-17.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:20.24 | Lulia | ["Width"] = "64", |
| 22:20.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 22:20.34 | nevcairiel | 64 is no good width? |
| 22:20.35 | Lulia | That's from my saved variables file. |
| 22:20.37 | Cide | string failure |
| 22:20.39 | Lulia | It's a string |
| 22:20.40 | Seerah | string instead of number |
| 22:20.45 | Lulia | The editbox set it to a string |
| 22:20.45 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 22:20.48 | Cide | ding ding ding I win again |
| 22:20.55 | Seerah | tonumber("string") |
| 22:20.55 | nevcairiel | I would think the APIs accept it anyway |
| 22:21.04 | Seerah | they do for SetPoint |
| 22:21.07 | Lulia | Thanks, Seerah, was about to look that up ;) |
| 22:21.11 | Cide | I guess you've been... stringing us along |
| 22:21.12 | Seerah | not sure about size |
| 22:21.13 | Lulia | They accept it |
| 22:21.14 | Lulia | But |
| 22:21.19 | Lulia | When I try to grab the size with a function |
| 22:21.21 | Seerah | you're awful today, Cide :p |
| 22:21.29 | Cide | you liked it |
| 22:21.29 | Lulia | It tries to grab a string and says "there's no width here" |
| 22:21.56 | Seerah | Cide: does not change the fact :) |
| 22:22.10 | Cide | it drags you down in my sea of awfulness kinda |
| 22:22.14 | nevcairiel | btw, the SetSize API, is that rather new? <.< I always use SetWidth/SetHeight still |
| 22:22.28 | Cide | it's been in the xml for a long while |
| 22:22.37 | Cide | not sure about the lua api |
| 22:22.52 | Seerah | nev: I wasn't aware it existed, either, until Lulia(?) used it the other day |
| 22:23.28 | Lulia | I learned about it last week, but I'm still learning as I go along. |
| 22:23.42 | Lulia | I dont know when it was put in, only that I learned about it and used it |
| 22:23.48 | Seerah | :) |
| 22:24.13 | Cide | my integers kept overflowing until I too started going 'long |
| 22:24.17 | Humbedooh | it's been there for ages ;> |
| 22:24.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:24.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide- (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:24.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide-] by ChanServ |
| 22:25.13 | nevcairiel | you part and rejoin and your nick changes |
| 22:25.15 | nevcairiel | your client is weird |
| 22:25.50 | Humbedooh | he's Swedish |
| 22:25.52 | Humbedooh | nuf said |
| 22:26.12 | Seerah | maybe he hasn't fully disconnected from the server yet when his client rejoins? |
| 22:26.23 | Seerah | I get Seerah1 on occasion |
| 22:26.29 | Seerah | from disconnects |
| 22:26.39 | nevcairiel | but he part'ed |
| 22:26.44 | nevcairiel | he didnt quit |
| 22:29.28 | Cide- | I'm doubly connected to freenode |
| 22:29.37 | Cide- | I haven't decided which connection to deprecate yet |
| 22:29.59 | Amarande | Afternoon Seerah :) |
| 22:30.13 | Seerah | howdy |
| 22:30.42 | Amarande | how goes? |
| 22:31.45 | MoonWitch | cooooooooooooooooooooooooold |
| 22:32.19 | Seerah | Amarande: not bad. you? :) |
| 22:32.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Ketho (~Ketho@ip565063bd.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 22:33.06 | Amarande | Going good :) |
| 22:33.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 22:33.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:33.18 | Shirik | sweet |
| 22:33.22 | Shirik | you auto-accept invites too |
| 22:33.24 | Amarande | thinking whether I want to go just to 375 or all the way on alchemy at this point, since my alchemist is level 66 while I'm doing this grind |
| 22:33.36 | Shirik | your client is fun to play with Cide/Cide- |
| 22:33.49 | Amarande | (is it possible to go 1-450 in one big grind, or is it in fact impossible to get through a certain point around 420-440 or so without several days' worth of CDs?) |
| 22:34.16 | Amarande | oh, also: if you use an alchemist stone to do your transmutes, do you have to meet its level requirement and/or equip it or is simply owning it enough? |
| 22:34.44 | Cide | pretty much standard irssi configuration, Shirik |
| 22:34.49 | Shirik | oh irssi |
| 22:34.52 | Shirik | there's your problem |
| 22:34.55 | Shirik | you need a real client like mirc |
| 22:35.12 | Cide | clearly |
| 22:35.43 | Amarande | also itunes fails at quality control |
| 22:35.55 | Amarande | there are several songs on here listed as being by a band called the "Clasics 4" |
| 22:36.05 | Amarande | I've heard of the Classics IV ... I've never heard of this "Clasics 4" :| |
| 22:36.36 | olafski | is there something itunes does not fail at? |
| 22:37.00 | cbreak | it's a fairly capable music player |
| 22:37.09 | cbreak | (with severe function bloat :/) |
| 22:37.49 | Cide | I think the term bloat is my least favorite term in program contexts |
| 22:38.02 | Jamash | I wish there was a standard format for interchange of ratings of multimedia files |
| 22:38.33 | Jamash | I spent quite a bit of time rating my music in itunes so I could construct "5-star" "4-star" playlists, etc and then I lost my database and gave up |
| 22:38.46 | MoonWitch | dozinmg off |
| 22:38.47 | Cide | the question is |
| 22:38.49 | MoonWitch | me going to bed |
| 22:38.49 | Jamash | now I play music by double-clicking on the file in explorer |
| 22:38.52 | MoonWitch | nite nite folks |
| 22:38.53 | Cide | why would you listen to a 3-star song? |
| 22:38.57 | Cide | or even a 4-star song? |
| 22:39.05 | Cide | also there is spotify |
| 22:39.08 | Cide | and it saves that to the cloud |
| 22:39.09 | cbreak | Jamash: iTunes should export all it's library to XML in more or less real time |
| 22:39.09 | Jamash | because if I only listen to 5-star songs I get sick of them |
| 22:39.14 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn and Seerah (and Cide gets a hug too) |
| 22:39.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:39.25 | Jamash | cbreak: in a format that any other program can read? |
| 22:39.32 | cbreak | Jamash: every text editor can |
| 22:39.53 | cbreak | nokia's multi media exporter thing for my cellphone reads it too |
| 22:39.55 | Jamash | cbreak: You're funny. That's why I'm going to kill you last. |
| 22:40.22 | Amarande | Night MoonWitch :) |
| 22:40.32 | MoonWitch | night Amarande |
| 22:40.37 | olafski | n n moonwitch |
| 22:40.44 | MoonWitch | industrial: Lemme know how Sanctuary turned out |
| 22:40.47 | MoonWitch | nn olafski |
| 22:40.56 | Jamash | NIGHT MOONWITCH |
| 22:40.58 | Jamash | SLEEP TIGHT |
| 22:41.45 | Shirik | (18:38:32) (+Cide) why would you listen to a 3-star song? |
| 22:41.45 | Shirik | (18:38:35) (+Cide) or even a 4-star song? |
| 22:42.06 | Shirik | I listen to songs I like, but I can still have 5 degrees of how much I like it |
| 22:42.14 | Cide | true |
| 22:42.22 | Cide | but conventionally what you "like" is more like 3-5 |
| 22:42.26 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:42.36 | Shirik | but itunes dj doesn't not play 1-2 star songs |
| 22:43.01 | Cide | you should get spotify already |
| 22:43.08 | Cide | when it comes to the us |
| 22:43.45 | cbreak | how is it superior? |
| 22:44.17 | Cide | huge song database, can play whatever you like for free (and it streams the song immediately) |
| 22:44.37 | cbreak | song database? I have that with iTunes |
| 22:44.39 | Cide | if you pay you drop the ads |
| 22:44.47 | cbreak | and I don't even have adds |
| 22:44.49 | Cide | legally or illegaly? :P |
| 22:44.55 | Cide | illegally |
| 22:44.59 | cbreak | legaly |
| 22:45.06 | cbreak | only uploading is illegal here :P |
| 22:45.18 | Cide | so you pirated them |
| 22:45.24 | Cide | then yes, that's clearly superior |
| 22:45.37 | cbreak | (and iTunes has a small subset of the popular streaming radios and podcasts) |
| 22:45.39 | Cide | but if we're talkign conventionally legal means of listening to music |
| 22:45.43 | Cide | talking |
| 22:45.47 | Cide | then spotify is really good |
| 22:45.52 | cbreak | how so? |
| 22:45.57 | Cide | you can listen to whatever you want |
| 22:46.05 | Cide | which beats last.fm or pandora or whatever |
| 22:46.09 | cbreak | ... every audio player allows that... |
| 22:46.14 | Cide | if you have the files on your computer |
| 22:46.22 | Cide | which you rarely do if we're talking *conventionally legal* means |
| 22:46.24 | cbreak | even apple's finder |
| 22:47.04 | Cide | so your huge database of pirated music is irrelevant in this matter |
| 22:47.12 | Cide | but yes, it's clearly superior if it's available |
| 22:47.19 | cbreak | how so? |
| 22:47.23 | Cide | ... |
| 22:47.26 | cbreak | iTunes is obviously available too |
| 22:47.27 | Fisker | i didnt kill my harddrive |
| 22:47.28 | Cide | are you trolling or just being stupid |
| 22:47.30 | cbreak | because I already have it |
| 22:47.50 | Cide | if you already have a huge database of pirated music then spotify is not for you |
| 22:47.51 | cbreak | why should I switch to an other audio player? |
| 22:47.56 | Cide | spotify is not an audio player |
| 22:47.56 | Fisker | there was a man in my harddrive |
| 22:48.00 | cbreak | if it's not superior? |
| 22:48.05 | Cide | I never said you should |
| 22:48.12 | Fisker | he had a mechanical arm |
| 22:48.14 | cbreak | so why do you even mention spotify if it's not an audio player? |
| 22:48.20 | Cide | stop being fucking retarded |
| 22:48.35 | Cide | it plays audio but it is not an audio player in the sense that you launch it to play a local mp3 |
| 22:48.50 | Cide | it streams music from their servers legally |
| 22:48.54 | cbreak | then it's more like a streaming radio service |
| 22:48.59 | cbreak | or an on-demand radio service |
| 22:49.03 | Cide | yes... |
| 22:49.20 | amro | streams music from Cide's servers |
| 22:49.28 | amro | illegally I might add |
| 22:49.35 | cbreak | that's not something iTunes is, so those two thigns seem not comparable. Even though iTunes does have some streaming capabilities |
| 22:49.52 | Cide | they are comparable if you drop your local database of pirated music |
| 22:49.57 | cbreak | nah |
| 22:49.58 | Cide | and then spotify comes out massively ahead |
| 22:50.02 | Cide | why not? |
| 22:50.06 | cbreak | then both are worthless. |
| 22:50.11 | Cide | no? |
| 22:50.14 | cbreak | of course! |
| 22:50.24 | Cide | because spotify has internet radio, itunes has internet radio |
| 22:50.33 | Cide | spotify has free streaming music (of your choice) |
| 22:50.40 | Cide | itunes doesn't |
| 22:50.54 | cbreak | I bet my choice would not be matched by spotify. |
| 22:50.54 | Cide | a+b > a for positive a and b |
| 22:50.56 | cbreak | let me check |
| 22:51.21 | Cide | it has a fair amount of esoteric songs but admittedly not everything |
| 22:51.26 | Seerah | Cide: even for negative a ;) |
| 22:51.27 | Cide | then again, neither does itunes |
| 22:51.36 | Cide | Seerah: that too |
| 22:51.39 | cbreak | checked, spotify does not have anything I would listen to |
| 22:51.45 | Cide | *anything*? |
| 22:51.49 | Cide | do you even have access to spotify? |
| 22:52.00 | Cide | give me a band or a song |
| 22:52.05 | cbreak | all it has is Not available in your country yet |
| 22:52.14 | cbreak | so it's selection is VERY limited |
| 22:52.16 | Cide | are you in the us? |
| 22:52.19 | cbreak | no... |
| 22:52.22 | Cide | where are you? |
| 22:52.26 | cbreak | switzerland |
| 22:52.38 | Cide | its selection is very massive |
| 22:52.44 | Cide | but I don't know if it has launched in switzerland |
| 22:52.53 | cbreak | a massive 0 from my Point of View :) |
| 22:53.01 | Cide | so um |
| 22:53.13 | Cide | if we're rating a service |
| 22:53.17 | Cide | the quality of a service rather |
| 22:53.28 | Cide | you rate the quality of a service as it is when it's available |
| 22:53.31 | cbreak | it says Finland France Norway Netherlands Spain Sweden United Kingdom |
| 22:53.38 | Cide | you don't say it's worthless because it's unavailable |
| 22:53.44 | cbreak | I do. |
| 22:53.45 | Cide | that's not rating the service, that's rating the availability |
| 22:53.57 | cbreak | I rate things by their imediate usefulness to me |
| 22:53.59 | Cide | regardless |
| 22:54.02 | Cide | as I said |
| 22:54.03 | Cide | to Shirik |
| 22:54.13 | Shirik | eh? |
| 22:54.13 | Cide | he should use spotify *when it becomes available in the us* |
| 22:54.24 | Cide | because it's superior to most streaming music services |
| 22:54.40 | cbreak | Cide, I bet it's selection is different in each country |
| 22:54.46 | Cide | not very but slightly |
| 22:54.51 | cbreak | because music companies like to treat each country individually |
| 22:54.55 | cbreak | (for money grabbing purposes) |
| 22:54.58 | Cide | only the locally released tracks |
| 22:55.10 | Cide | I would estimate over 99% of the database is universal but of course that's just a guess |
| 22:55.49 | cbreak | only universal? hmm... :) |
| 22:57.47 | amro | cbreak: then your rating is meaningless to anyone who isn't you |
| 22:57.51 | amro | in other words, it's meaningless |
| 22:57.59 | cbreak | no. it's "social" |
| 22:58.15 | cbreak | my ratings have the social! |
| 22:58.19 | cbreak | and the cloud! |
| 22:58.19 | Cide | and why are you arguing for your opinion when you're arguing for something specific to your case? |
| 22:58.21 | amro | the social what? |
| 22:58.27 | Cide | i.e. your local database |
| 22:58.33 | Cide | you're not playing by your own rules |
| 22:58.54 | amro | I'm playing with my own rules |
| 22:58.59 | Cide | oh baby |
| 22:58.59 | cbreak | my personal rating is for my specific situation |
| 22:59.09 | Cide | oh |
| 22:59.11 | *** join/#wowuidev dardack (~macnean@cpe-72-228-53-108.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:59.12 | Cide | are we in #cbreak? |
| 22:59.17 | Cide | I swear I never joined that channel |
| 22:59.23 | cbreak | I am cbreak. |
| 22:59.31 | dardack | what does '<name>' expected near '[' normally mean I forgot to do or something? |
| 22:59.32 | cbreak | I am not everyone. |
| 22:59.56 | amro | dardack: check for a '[' in the given line, there's a syntax error around it |
| 23:00.00 | cbreak | syntax error :) |
| 23:00.05 | Cide | yes but this channel doesn't revolve around you so I would hope you are able to base your arguments on things more available than to you and only you |
| 23:00.36 | dardack | dif (MountRandomMount_SavedTable.MountRandomMount_MountList[spellID].[3]) then I don''t see what i did syntax wrong |
| 23:00.51 | Seerah | take out the period |
| 23:00.55 | dardack | doh |
| 23:01.01 | Seerah | MountRandomMount_SavedTable.MountRandomMount_MountList[spellID][3] |
| 23:01.03 | dardack | i'm such an ID10T sometimes |
| 23:01.18 | dardack | ty |
| 23:01.24 | Seerah | yw |
| 23:01.31 | Cide | glad I could help |
| 23:01.55 | dardack | thing is if i had scrolled down 2 pagees i would see it done correctly, sigh |
| 23:10.51 | Amarande | ahhh time to gather terocone |
| 23:11.02 | Amarande | I remember when people ninja'ing terocone was considered serious business for some reason :P |
| 23:12.17 | pantsninja | Does anyone know if they have the new mount tooltips on the PTR 4.0.3? |
| 23:12.41 | pantsninja | because testing my mount addon for my friend because he doesn't have a beta invite is a pain in the ass |
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