| 00:04.26 | Kraps | http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/03/czech-ads-chuck-norris/ |
| 00:06.16 | Sintacks | #showtooltip |
| 00:06.16 | Sintacks | /castsequence |
| 00:06.22 | Sintacks | am idoinitrong? |
| 00:06.31 | Sintacks | doesn't work how I would think it should. |
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| 00:30.17 | Zasurus | Hiya all. I need some help with frames, textures and mousing over them |
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| 00:31.30 | Zasurus | I have a frame over the main map with a load of area's highlighted on it using a series of semitransparent rectangles and want a popup when you go over one... BUT there is no way to create an onenter script for textures right? |
| 00:31.35 | Zasurus | Is there any other options? |
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| 00:32.56 | foxlit | resize your frame to match the texture position |
| 00:33.03 | foxlit | Use OnUpdate and poll mouse position |
| 00:33.15 | Zasurus | arr on update sounds good. |
| 00:33.18 | Mirrormn | couldn't you just use the frames OnEnter? |
| 00:33.35 | Zasurus | Mirrormn: There is one frame with loads of small areas |
| 00:33.43 | Arrowmaster | so make more frames |
| 00:33.45 | Mirrormn | mmm |
| 00:33.46 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 00:33.51 | Arrowmaster | i would do that over onupdate polling |
| 00:33.52 | Mirrormn | make frames for each area |
| 00:33.54 | Zasurus | Won't that use more memory? |
| 00:34.00 | Arrowmaster | who the fuck cares |
| 00:34.01 | foxlit | yes, it would. |
| 00:34.04 | foxlit | Do you care? :) |
| 00:34.08 | Mirrormn | cpu time is much more valuable than memory |
| 00:34.11 | Arrowmaster | onupdate polling would be far worse abuse of cpu time |
| 00:34.15 | Zasurus | yer there are a fair few of them :-) |
| 00:34.19 | Zasurus | k |
| 00:34.29 | Mirrormn | well |
| 00:34.34 | foxlit | On the other hand, you really don't care about this amount of CPU time either. |
| 00:34.43 | foxlit | So whatever is most convinient. |
| 00:34.58 | Mirrormn | actually, I think the best way would be to compromise |
| 00:35.05 | Zasurus | go on? |
| 00:35.10 | Mirrormn | use the OnEnter event of the main frame |
| 00:35.13 | Arrowmaster | seriously though, the memory usage was only a concern in 1.x back when we had Lua 5.0, with Lua 5.1 its a non issue |
| 00:35.18 | Mirrormn | to set an OnOpdate script |
| 00:35.34 | Mirrormn | and then set the script to nil on OnLeave |
| 00:35.42 | Mirrormn | best of both worlds imo |
| 00:36.21 | Zasurus | I will give both a try and see which kills my old test pc the most! ;-) |
| 00:36.26 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 00:36.27 | Zasurus | Thanks guys |
| 00:36.44 | Mirrormn | any way you do it will probably have a negligible impact ^_^ |
| 00:36.59 | Mirrormn | unless you have some huge amount of subregions |
| 00:37.07 | Zasurus | how many is huge? |
| 00:37.32 | dafrito | I'd get it feature-complete first before worrying about performance |
| 00:37.44 | dafrito | Clean code is much easier to optimize than ugly code that runs "fast" |
| 00:37.49 | Arrowmaster | somebody wrote an SVG image viewer in wow, yours wont be using more textures than that |
| 00:38.04 | Zasurus | I am with you on that dafrito! :-) |
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| 00:38.26 | Mirrormn | true, but if you need to figure out *some* way to accomplish something, it might as well be a good way |
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| 00:39.30 | Arrowmaster | theres some things ill always try to optimize when writing though just from experience |
| 00:39.59 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: link? |
| 00:40.36 | Arrowmaster | like the time i had a standalone lua project not running in wow, the lua executable was using over 500mb of ram on the first revision due to excessive string concatenation |
| 00:41.22 | Mirrormn | gigabyte gtx 460 1gb for $160... that's tempting! |
| 00:41.32 | Zasurus | There will be less than 3000 textures over all the zones but only one zone's worth of textures is shown at any one time so should be fine |
| 00:41.51 | Arrowmaster | changed it to put everything in a table then use table.concat at the end and it was probably over a 1000x optimization |
| 00:42.26 | dafrito | Arrowmaster: haha, yeah, that'll do it |
| 00:42.39 | ckknight | yeah, string concatenation is pretty inefficient in lua, due to auto-interning, mostly |
| 00:42.48 | Mirrormn | hrm, newegg reviews imply that it has a very high rate of failure after ~ 1 month =/ |
| 00:43.44 | dafrito | ckknight: auto-interning? |
| 00:44.12 | ckknight | yeah, interning of strings means that any strings that are equal are also reference equal |
| 00:44.31 | ckknight | so that if you create a new string, it puts it into an internal table |
| 00:44.49 | MentalPower | a,b = "foo", "foo" <--only one copy of "foo" in memory |
| 00:44.49 | A-KO | anyone here know anything about memory timings? |
| 00:45.04 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: a little |
| 00:45.06 | MentalPower | A-KO: the lower the better |
| 00:45.08 | ckknight | which will get GC'd eventually, but until then, it can be inefficient to throw them away |
| 00:45.21 | dafrito | ah, I see |
| 00:45.52 | A-KO | yeah MentalPower, the issue is when I run something like Sandra, it reports 4 extra timings I don't know wtf they are :P and there's nothing corresponding to them in my bios.....but my bios has other memory timing options.. |
| 00:45.54 | ckknight | although actually due to the immutability of strings, you have to make a new string any time you want to change one, which means that if you concat 1000 times, you make 1000 strings |
| 00:45.54 | dafrito | gogo java.lang.StringBuilder ;) |
| 00:46.14 | ckknight | we're not in java. |
| 00:46.22 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: my bios has a string of about 10 numbers for memory timing |
| 00:46.26 | ckknight | :P |
| 00:46.32 | ckknight | but yeah, you know the deal, dafire |
| 00:46.35 | ckknight | dafrito* |
| 00:46.42 | dafrito | ckknight: I know, I'm just saying ;) |
| 00:46.55 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: the first 4 are the only ones people normally talk about |
| 00:47.09 | foxlit | has a Lua StringBuilder. |
| 00:47.15 | dafrito | If his stuff was in a out-of-wow environment, he could probably find a library that does something similar |
| 00:47.16 | ckknight | in lua, you make a list-like table and table.concat(t) |
| 00:47.17 | A-KO | yeah Arrowmaster, but what's weird is....the last 4...the SPD reports it can do faster than what the system board *actually* set :P |
| 00:47.45 | Arrowmaster | like my last computer with $300 worth of ram in it had 2-2-3-5 timings and my new computer with 6x the ram at 1/3rd the cost has 7-7-7-18 |
| 00:47.56 | A-KO | It's 5-5-5-15 2-20-7-4 2T |
| 00:48.01 | A-KO | currently |
| 00:48.05 | Arrowmaster | DDR2? |
| 00:48.08 | A-KO | yeah |
| 00:48.14 | A-KO | but my ram's SPD reports it can do 5-5-5-15 3-20-5-3 |
| 00:48.48 | MentalPower | www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26/2 |
| 00:49.25 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: DDR2 != DDR3 in terms of timings |
| 00:49.34 | Sintacks | why do i know the name ckknight... |
| 00:49.56 | ckknight | I dunno, I'm not that well known in this community |
| 00:50.02 | ckknight | I just kinda pop in at times |
| 00:50.03 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: i was comparing DDR1 to DDR3 there |
| 00:50.32 | Sintacks | what's your popular addon, ckknight? |
| 00:50.50 | Arrowmaster | Sintacks: the same as mine |
| 00:50.53 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/ckknight/ |
| 00:51.16 | Sintacks | Chinchilla... omnomnom |
| 00:51.27 | ckknight | that's one of them |
| 00:51.35 | Sintacks | I didn't like PitBull |
| 00:51.38 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/ckknight/addons/?sort=name |
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| 00:55.37 | Zasurus | OK i have been searching Wowpedia for getting the mouse position over a frame the only thing I could come up with that might work is MouseIsOver() do you remember the command's name? :-) |
| 00:55.56 | Arrowmaster | !api Mouse |
| 00:55.57 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'Mouse'. Please be more specific |
| 00:56.02 | Arrowmaster | !api MouseP |
| 00:56.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'MouseP'. |
| 00:56.15 | Arrowmaster | !api ^Get.*Mouse |
| 00:56.16 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for '^Get.*Mouse': GetMouseFocus, GetMouseButtonName, GetMouseButtonClicked |
| 00:56.39 | Zasurus | that's cool |
| 00:56.45 | MentalPower | !api Cursor |
| 00:56.45 | lua_bot | Found 27 possible matches for 'Cursor'. Please be more specific |
| 00:56.46 | Zasurus | Didn't know we could do that! LOL |
| 00:56.51 | MentalPower | !api Get.*Cursor |
| 00:56.52 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'Get.*Cursor': GetCursorPosition, EditBox:GetUTF8CursorPosition, EditBox:GetCursorPosition, GetCursorInfo, GetCursorMoney |
| 00:57.09 | MentalPower | hmm, not any of those |
| 00:57.12 | Arrowmaster | !api GetCursorPosition |
| 00:57.12 | lua_bot | GetCursorPosition: Returns the absolute position of the mouse cursor (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCursorPosition) |
| 00:57.20 | Arrowmaster | thats it |
| 00:57.33 | Zasurus | thanks! I loke you lua_bot! ;-) |
| 00:57.38 | Zasurus | like* |
| 00:57.49 | Mirrormn | *love |
| 00:57.53 | Zasurus | lol |
| 00:58.00 | Mirrormn | you must have a deep and intimate relationship with the lua_bot |
| 00:58.21 | Zasurus | ;-) |
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| 00:59.59 | A-KO | sigh |
| 01:00.03 | A-KO | motherboard/processor/ram |
| 01:00.05 | A-KO | would run me $600 |
| 01:00.06 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:00.34 | brandonjviles | shownow = SpellMap[1130]; shownow..:Show() what do i need to do here? |
| 01:00.36 | A-KO | think I'll hold out a bit more |
| 01:00.43 | Arrowmaster | for what? i7? i5? |
| 01:00.52 | Arrowmaster | whatever amd has out now |
| 01:00.55 | MentalPower | Zasurus: note, that function gives you position relative to UIFrame |
| 01:01.14 | Jerub | A-KO: i think i've decided to not care about cpu and just shoot for 3gb+ of ram and a good video card |
| 01:01.34 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: i7-860, 8GB of Kingston HyperX, and a mid-range gigabyte sata6/usb3 1156 board :P |
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| 01:01.50 | A-KO | I think I'll hold out for the uefi boards though |
| 01:02.32 | Arrowmaster | all boards should support UEFI by now, manufacturers are just fucking lazy |
| 01:02.33 | Mirrormn | that sounds a little steep, ako |
| 01:03.21 | A-KO | should Arrowmaster |
| 01:03.32 | A-KO | Mirrormn: well, the $ is in the CPU tbh. Intel doesn't really have a decently priced $200 CPU |
| 01:03.43 | Mirrormn | 860 is $200... |
| 01:04.02 | Mirrormn | well, if you have a microcenter nearby |
| 01:04.26 | Mirrormn | http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=2187465 |
| 01:05.31 | A-KO | interesting Mirrormn |
| 01:05.35 | A-KO | that cpu is $280 on newegg |
| 01:05.46 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 01:05.57 | Mirrormn | microcenter uses core i7s as a loss leader, I believe |
| 01:05.59 | A-KO | cheapest on pricewatch is $268... |
| 01:06.02 | A-KO | orly |
| 01:06.23 | Mirrormn | there's no way they can make a profit selling them so cheap |
| 01:06.43 | A-KO | definitely not |
| 01:06.45 | Thunder_Child | i saw a chip on sale today for $950 |
| 01:06.48 | Thunder_Child | i wanted it |
| 01:06.52 | Mirrormn | and they make you give them an email address to buy something in-store |
| 01:07.01 | Mirrormn | and then they automatically send you a newsletter ^_^ |
| 01:07.11 | A-KO | that'd knock the price dwon a bit :P but I'll wait for UEFI I guess. |
| 01:07.14 | pnorman | I've been trying to find an AM3 board with enough sata ports for my server |
| 01:07.15 | A-KO | my system works reasonably well enough |
| 01:07.15 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: i want a new lga1366 i7 too |
| 01:07.20 | A-KO | and this will give me enough time to really save up the $ |
| 01:07.22 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:07.38 | A-KO | ugh |
| 01:07.42 | Thunder_Child | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115223 |
| 01:07.45 | A-KO | I have the urge to code something right now, but if I start |
| 01:07.48 | A-KO | I'll be up to 1am |
| 01:07.53 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i know :( |
| 01:08.05 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: youll only ever find 6 sata ports unless they add another chip to the board for it and those will generally only have 2-4 |
| 01:08.18 | pnorman | 6 is what i'm after |
| 01:08.33 | pnorman | but most with 6 are the high end motherboards with lots of other features I don't need |
| 01:08.34 | Thunder_Child | one is going to be used by your CD-rom drive however |
| 01:08.35 | Arrowmaster | why cant you find 6 then? thats the standard amount |
| 01:08.42 | A-KO | You should just get a decent controller |
| 01:08.44 | Thunder_Child | just go get a controller |
| 01:08.48 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:08.48 | A-KO | exactly |
| 01:08.49 | pnorman | you assume i have a CD drive? :P |
| 01:08.51 | A-KO | they're like $300 or so |
| 01:08.54 | Thunder_Child | sad thing is, they are expensive |
| 01:08.54 | A-KO | get a REAL controller |
| 01:09.01 | A-KO | yeah Thunder_Child but they're nice |
| 01:09.04 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 01:09.08 | Arrowmaster | i wish they had better simple controllers |
| 01:09.13 | A-KO | they're well worth it if you're actually building a fileserver/etc. |
| 01:09.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont need the raid stuff on the controllers as much as i need the sata/sas ports |
| 01:09.37 | A-KO | Arrowmaster |
| 01:09.42 | Thunder_Child | i want 10 2TB drives |
| 01:09.45 | Thunder_Child | in my compuer |
| 01:09.48 | A-KO | your AVERAGE raid conroller can support up to 127 drives |
| 01:10.18 | pnorman | I still have to have a look at linux compat. for any raid controller I'll be using |
| 01:10.20 | Arrowmaster | mine only supports 8 |
| 01:10.31 | Arrowmaster | because it has 8 sata ports |
| 01:10.51 | Arrowmaster | and you cant use splitters on sata |
| 01:10.59 | A-KO | http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/internal_raid/megaraid_sas/3ware/9750-4i/index.html |
| 01:11.10 | A-KO | you can use breakout cables with sata |
| 01:11.12 | A-KO | we're doing it at work |
| 01:11.20 | A-KO | on these low end servers we're shipping out |
| 01:11.32 | A-KO | 1 connector, it has 8 sata cables coming off of it |
| 01:11.40 | A-KO | we use 2 |
| 01:11.43 | A-KO | ... |
| 01:11.43 | Arrowmaster | thats what i have |
| 01:11.50 | pnorman | I hit a case limit on HDs - my video card eats up two slots on my antec 300 |
| 01:11.51 | Arrowmaster | 2 of those with 4 sata connecters each |
| 01:11.59 | A-KO | nice |
| 01:12.40 | Sintacks | is /castsequence [spec:1] stuff, stuff, stuff; [spec:2] stuff, stuff, stuff valid? |
| 01:12.52 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/internal_raid/sata/3ware_sata_raid_controllers/9650se-8ml/index.html |
| 01:12.55 | Arrowmaster | what i have |
| 01:13.04 | pnorman | So my tentative plan is get a new case for this computer, use the 300 for the server, new cheap mobo for the server and depending on when I do it, either get a new CPU for this computer or get a cheap CPU for the server |
| 01:13.11 | Arrowmaster | have the BBU too |
| 01:14.18 | A-KO | nice |
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| 01:15.01 | pnorman | anyone have case suggestions? |
| 01:15.10 | Sintacks | nope. fml |
| 01:15.26 | A-KO | pnorman: Coolermaster CMStacker |
| 01:15.26 | Arrowmaster | pnorman: yes but they dont make them anymore afaik, coolermaster stacker |
| 01:15.36 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:15.44 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:15.49 | Arrowmaster | ive got a stacker and a stacker 830 i think |
| 01:15.51 | A-KO | they make similar ones |
| 01:15.58 | A-KO | SOB |
| 01:16.03 | A-KO | I want to code something but sob... |
| 01:16.06 | Arrowmaster | the old stacker is the one with two psu mounts |
| 01:16.13 | Arrowmaster | its fucking huge |
| 01:16.25 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: then code |
| 01:16.36 | pnorman | they've got them still I think |
| 01:16.54 | A-KO | http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2988 |
| 01:17.34 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: not the same, it doesnt have a giant wall of 5.25 bays |
| 01:17.39 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: Just some stuff for work 'cause our level 1 team keeps sending dumb shit up, so it's relatively basic stuff but would have a measurable increase in response times for our systems support teams at work :P |
| 01:17.40 | A-KO | I know Arrowmaster |
| 01:17.49 | A-KO | but it's got 6 5.25 bays and 5 3.25 bays |
| 01:18.19 | A-KO | http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2692 |
| 01:18.21 | A-KO | works also |
| 01:18.21 | Thunder_Child | i have 12 bays on mine |
| 01:18.26 | Arrowmaster | my old stacker has 12 bays |
| 01:18.36 | Jerub | why do you need more than 1 HDD these days? |
| 01:18.39 | Jerub | (2 if you mirror) |
| 01:18.41 | A-KO | Jerub: I've got 4 |
| 01:18.46 | Thunder_Child | i have 5 |
| 01:18.49 | Arrowmaster | my new stacker 830 has 9 bays |
| 01:18.50 | Thunder_Child | not enough space |
| 01:18.52 | A-KO | 1x SSD (80GB), 3x 1.5TB 7200rpm (raid 5) |
| 01:18.56 | pnorman | Jerub: I've got 4 drives in, and I'd have 5 if I could |
| 01:18.58 | Arrowmaster | ive got 10 harddrives in this case |
| 01:19.02 | Jerub | i can buy a single drive with more space than all of my house's storage put together now |
| 01:19.08 | Thunder_Child | i have http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1400&ID=1829#Tab1 |
| 01:19.10 | Arrowmaster | 8 of them are attached to the raid controller |
| 01:19.17 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: then you are doing it wrong |
| 01:19.21 | A-KO | nice Thunder_Child |
| 01:19.25 | pnorman | 4 drives in RAID 10 is what I Have |
| 01:19.44 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: doing what? |
| 01:19.52 | A-KO | the internets |
| 01:19.59 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: storing stuff |
| 01:20.08 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: i have 8x1tb raid class drives in a raid 6 with 1 hotspare, thats 5TB usable or 4.5TB if you arent using harddrive manufacturer math |
| 01:20.17 | pnorman | Storing 120 GB GeoTIFFs |
| 01:20.22 | Arrowmaster | you cant buy that in a single drive |
| 01:21.09 | Arrowmaster | if i could find anything larger than 1tb in raid class drives i would be upgrading |
| 01:21.16 | Thunder_Child | or storing 900GB of geocities |
| 01:22.51 | pnorman | The 300 is actually a very nice case - I just figure if I'm getting a new computer for a server I'll use it for that one |
| 01:24.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's our own fault for not burning people at the stake the moment they started talking about gibibytes |
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| 01:36.55 | Tuller | woahdam, they have usb 3 cases now? :P |
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| 01:44.21 | Jerub | Kraps: balancing is hard, yo. |
| 01:48.49 | Arrowmaster | lol http://www.chucklorre.com/index-bbt.php?p=309 |
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| 02:16.01 | Thunder_Child | whats the slash command that prints out what the parent is of the moused over frame? |
| 02:17.08 | zenzelezz | the parent frame? |
| 02:17.54 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: maybe you just want /framestack? |
| 02:17.56 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.15 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 02:18.26 | Hirsute | Hrmm. What Horde race is the fastest to get to a major city after creation? |
| 02:19.02 | Thunder_Child | bah, nill |
| 02:19.10 | cairenn | Hirsute: # of quests, or actual physical distance? |
| 02:19.10 | arkanes | Hirsute: none of them are slow |
| 02:19.10 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.20 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.30 | Seerah | oops - GetParent() |
| 02:19.44 | Hirsute | cairenn: Actual distance. Just looking for which race I can use to create a toon and get to a city with an AH the fastest. |
| 02:19.47 | Arrowmaster | print is default ui |
| 02:19.52 | Seerah | no it's not |
| 02:19.55 | Seerah | print() is |
| 02:20.01 | cairenn | Hirsute: orc or troll |
| 02:20.02 | arkanes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.11 | Hirsute | cairenn: Thanks! |
| 02:20.11 | Arrowmaster | ok then /dump |
| 02:20.12 | Seerah | not to get hte parent :p |
| 02:20.21 | Seerah | yes, /dump is default UI :) |
| 02:20.28 | cairenn | and probably orc by a smidge, over troll |
| 02:20.30 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.44 | Seerah | though you may also need /dump GetMouseFocus():GetParent():GetName() |
| 02:20.45 | arkanes | in 4.0 trolls have to go pretty far, they start on the lost isles and phased |
| 02:20.57 | alestane | print is in the stock UI since 3.0, Seerah. |
| 02:21.05 | Seerah | the slash command? |
| 02:21.07 | cairenn | arkanes: wasn't sure if they'd moved yet, on live servers |
| 02:21.15 | cairenn | if that's the case, then yes, orc |
| 02:21.16 | Seerah | then how come it never works for me if I use it on accident? |
| 02:21.17 | arkanes | cairenn: thats actually a good point I don't know that either |
| 02:21.22 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.23 | Thunder_Child | dump gives me "[19:20:52] Dump: value=GetMouseFocus():GetParent():GetName()" |
| 02:21.26 | alestane | Ah, no, that should be dump. |
| 02:21.32 | Seerah | 3.0 added print() :) |
| 02:22.05 | Thunder_Child | frame stack worked however |
| 02:22.15 | arkanes | they need to knock down a wall between silvermoon proper and the newbie in |
| 02:22.17 | arkanes | *inn |
| 02:22.41 | Seerah | arkanes: you get the same distance run as every other starter area (thereabout) |
| 02:23.25 | Hirsute | arkanes: In 4.0, or in Cata? |
| 02:23.43 | Hirsute | Humans seem to be the quickest Alliance-side. |
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| 02:46.01 | Cide-_ | hai |
| 02:46.19 | Cide | oh |
| 02:46.21 | Cide | I was here already |
| 02:46.30 | Cide | who knew? |
| 02:48.03 | Thunder_Child | you? |
| 02:51.05 | Cide | no.. |
| 02:54.03 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
| 02:55.18 | Shirik | cide |
| 02:55.23 | Shirik | strange man |
| 02:55.30 | Cide | me, yes |
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| 02:56.06 | Cide | or did you refer to anyone else? |
| 02:56.14 | Cide | -_- |
| 02:57.53 | Thunder_Child | the other Cide |
| 02:58.06 | Cide | oh |
| 02:58.07 | Cide | he left |
| 02:59.23 | Thunder_Child | why? he was the nice one |
| 03:00.03 | Iriel | Cide has a pleasant twin? |
| 03:00.37 | Cide | oh I hope not |
| 03:02.23 | Iriel | Is anyone else having annoying D/C issues? |
| 03:03.15 | Hirsute | Ooooh. I bet the remote armory has brought a new dimension to neutral AH sniping... |
| 03:04.04 | Hirsute | s/armory/auction house/ |
| 03:04.21 | Shadowed | Yes, you can snipe the neutral AH very very easily with the remote AH |
| 03:04.25 | Shadowed | and much better than any bots inside |
| 03:13.44 | Lulia | So, erm, is there a way to disable a dropdown menu? :-/ |
| 03:13.45 | Cide | how can you do it better than bots inside? |
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| 03:20.28 | Thunder_Child | you can spend your time making fake money instead of real money |
| 03:20.42 | arkanes | well you need a hardware event to buy stuff now, as I recally |
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| 03:20.50 | Xinhuan | can someone confirm for me that the /settitle command causes an lua error in wow? |
| 03:20.55 | arkanes | but you can script the remote AH trivially |
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| 04:00.11 | adys_ | ~seen adys |
| 04:00.17 | purl | adys is currently on #sc2mapster (1d 8h 39m 14s) #wowuidev (1d 8h 39m 14s) #wowace (1d 8h 39m 14s) #curseforge (1d 8h 39m 14s), last said: 'see you guys at blizzcon'. |
| 04:00.30 | adys_ | wtf |
| 04:00.36 | adys_ | someone logged in on my comp |
| 04:02.35 | nicoli_s | it was me |
| 04:02.59 | adys_ | i dont have access to it to check =/ |
| 04:03.16 | Thunder_Child | now you know |
| 04:03.25 | Computerpunk | no, it was me. |
| 04:20.58 | NeoTron | since when is shadowflame useful? EJ says to use it in a destro rotation. so bizarre |
| 04:31.12 | Kraps | OH COME ON |
| 04:31.49 | Kraps | DID THE [REDACTED] IN INCEPTION [REDACTED] OR NOT |
| 04:32.20 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:32.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i think you need to explain inception to Kraps, you seem good at it |
| 04:35.35 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/two_girls_one_cup.jpg |
| 04:36.55 | mikma | kraps: Inception 2 |
| 04:37.39 | Kraps | it'll be as ambiguous as this one and not answer the end question |
| 04:40.24 | Computerpunk | Mikk, ._. |
| 04:40.47 | Computerpunk | mikma, * |
| 04:44.37 | Wobin | Kraps: We could answer your question, but we'd have to go deeper |
| 04:45.16 | Kraps | Wobin: "its impossible!" "no, just difficult" |
| 04:48.25 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: i think the end was clear, the only question was how exactly it got to the end |
| 04:49.02 | Wobin | actually, the totems confused me a bit |
| 04:49.19 | Wobin | Ariadne was making something like a chess piece |
| 04:49.29 | Wobin | but the wife's totem was the spinning top |
| 04:49.37 | Wobin | (whatever her name was) |
| 04:49.48 | Wobin | so, how would ariadne use the chess piece to figure out if she was dreaming? |
| 04:49.50 | Arrowmaster | i didnt get how the top could spin forever in a dream |
| 04:50.01 | Wobin | it doesn't have a moving physics component |
| 04:50.10 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: i think she carved out part of it to make it off balance |
| 04:50.15 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I think the point was it could spin forever, therefore it was a dream |
| 04:50.29 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: ah |
| 04:50.39 | Kraps | Wobin: what about the weighted die? |
| 04:50.47 | Wobin | it would roll randomly? |
| 04:50.58 | Arrowmaster | right but if he was in somebody elses dream they would have control over how the top would spin |
| 04:50.58 | Wobin | ie, it wouldn't behave as expected |
| 04:51.11 | Arrowmaster | so how could it spin forever in everybodys dreams |
| 04:51.31 | Wobin | they only provide the structure |
| 04:51.39 | Wobin | the dreamer provides the physics |
| 04:51.49 | Wobin | or something |
| 04:51.58 | Wobin | which is why Ariadne could make the city fold up |
| 04:52.07 | Arrowmaster | she wasnt the dreamer though |
| 04:52.15 | Arrowmaster | at that point |
| 04:52.15 | Wobin | the architect, I mean |
| 04:58.33 | Kraps | we are all in the matrix anyway |
| 04:59.52 | Arrowmaster | if we are then i would think it would be doing a better job of keeping me happy |
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| 05:07.35 | Nechckn | Eesh.. that goes double for me, Arrowmaster |
| 05:14.09 | Shirik | (00:31:38) (Kraps) DID THE [REDACTED] IN INCEPTION [REDACTED] OR NOT |
| 05:14.25 | Shirik | Yes, but more importantly that's not important because that's not how you know |
| 05:20.08 | tekkub | hrm... |
| 05:20.12 | tekkub | new horde race? |
| 05:20.14 | tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20101105-8ejc21anf3drw8x6xqiu3piwm5.png |
| 05:20.16 | tekkub | dorftroll |
| 05:21.23 | tekkub | or another angle... |
| 05:21.24 | tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20101105-bq2xb14hypxx4n652tyqaaxfxp.png |
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| 05:24.15 | Trela | tekkub: Kind of looks like the troll skins applied to the worgen models. |
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| 06:33.43 | Shirik | nissan, chevy, jeep, suzuki, ford |
| 06:33.49 | Shirik | name an SUV manufacturer I haven't named |
| 06:37.11 | Shefki | Hummer |
| 06:37.20 | Shefki | Toyota |
| 06:37.30 | Shefki | GMC |
| 06:37.48 | Jerub | holden, general motors, mazda, dihatsu, hyundai |
| 06:38.13 | Jerub | oooh sorry, suv. |
| 06:38.20 | Shirik | ew @ Hummer |
| 06:38.43 | Jerub | mercedes, bmw, |
| 06:38.49 | Shirik | something that won't cost me a fortune ._. |
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| 06:39.32 | Jerub | oh you're buying an suv? |
| 06:39.34 | Jerub | fuck you. |
| 06:40.11 | Shefki | I'd look at Toyota to be honest. I've always had good luck with their products despite all the hooplah over the accelerator stuff lately. |
| 06:40.41 | Shirik | what |
| 06:40.43 | Shirik | why Jerub :( |
| 06:43.41 | the-golem | I happen to like Honda >.> |
| 06:44.02 | Jerub | Shirik: because suvs are more dangerous and worse for the environment than real cars. |
| 06:44.09 | the-golem | Though, tbh, no experience with SUVs |
| 06:44.12 | Shirik | I've driven SUVs all my life |
| 06:47.24 | the-golem | SUVs were made to bypass the stricter regulations for passenger cars, while still appealing to the soccer mom. |
| 06:47.26 | the-golem | imo. |
| 06:47.27 | Jerub | Shirik: drive some real cars. you might be surprised. |
| 06:47.41 | Shirik | Some real cars are going to have a little problem when I'm trying to drive through a foot of snow |
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| 06:47.43 | Jerub | and not american ones. |
| 06:48.18 | Jerub | bmw 1 series for instance. they're stunning vehicles. |
| 06:49.40 | Jerub | no idea about snow. dont' have it here, but i'm sure europeans have it. :P |
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| 07:03.20 | cairenn | wow, the-golem, way to insult any number of groups of people .... |
| 07:03.49 | cairenn | and Jerub, not much better |
| 07:04.03 | Jerub | cairenn: it's a succinct pithy statement that has a large component of truth. |
| 07:04.04 | zenzio | what did I miss? |
| 07:04.44 | Jerub | SUVs get tax breaks that passenger vehicles don't because they're in the class of working vehicles, they're also large and can fit lots of seats so they appeal as family vehicles. |
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| 07:05.28 | Wobin | (I'm not really sure where the insult is... unless 'soccer mom' is an insult?) |
| 07:05.51 | Jerub | so vehicle manufacturers design and sell these vehicles to families to transport their family, while taking advantage of the tax breaks and reduced emission restrictions because they're working vehicles. |
| 07:06.28 | Jerub | this isn't just conjecture, it's a business plan. |
| 07:06.43 | Wobin | I'm not sure of the precise numbers, but I believe SUVs are the cause of more accidental children's deaths than any other make |
| 07:06.58 | Wobin | That could be media bias however |
| 07:07.04 | the-golem | I'm sure I could have worded that better. |
| 07:07.32 | Jerub | they're certainly a much later fatality risk in vehicle collisions |
| 07:07.37 | Shefki | If we cared about deaths from car accidents the way we care about terrorism, the army would be occupying Detroit and Japan. |
| 07:07.47 | Jerub | both to the occupants of the SUV and to other people they collide with. |
| 07:08.23 | Shirik | sleep time night |
| 07:08.28 | Shefki | Well in fairness the bigger the vehicle the bigger the danger. That's not really unique to SUVs. |
| 07:08.29 | Wobin | Shefki: well that's an entirely different thing =) |
| 07:08.38 | Wobin | Shefki: to a degree yes |
| 07:08.55 | Wobin | it's more that the marketing is aimed towards people who are more likely to be driving around schools |
| 07:09.14 | Shefki | Unless you're arguing about roll over issues and then not all SUVs are created equal in that area. |
| 07:09.39 | Wobin | I'm arguing the fact that they offer worse visibility than a lower based car |
| 07:09.55 | Wobin | so it's easier to back over a kid simply cause you're incapable of seeing them due to blind spots |
| 07:10.34 | Shefki | Wow I'd never noticed the certificate icon in the upper right corner of the Installer app on OS X. |
| 07:10.42 | Wobin | and that people get convinced to put in bull bars on their SUVs =( |
| 07:10.47 | Wobin | for 'safety' |
| 07:11.08 | Shefki | Those aren't for safety. They're there to protect the vehicle. |
| 07:11.13 | the-golem | I had to move a co-workers Dodge Ram 1500 once, for just a few blocks. To be honest, I dunno how he could drive it. I felt like I was playing baseball with a tree trunk. |
| 07:11.15 | Wobin | yes |
| 07:11.22 | Wobin | poor vehicle |
| 07:11.32 | Wobin | the small child you hit really is going to dent the paintwork |
| 07:11.52 | Jerub | bullbars will cause more damage to occupants in a collision. |
| 07:12.01 | Wobin | and instead of knocking them and possibly rolling them in a survivable manner |
| 07:12.07 | Wobin | you tangle them in a chunk of metal |
| 07:12.07 | Jerub | crumple zone? lets put a shield around that so it cant' be used. |
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| 07:29.35 | airtonix | you should see the damage a kangaroo does to a car with out a bullbar |
| 07:29.45 | airtonix | pretty much buy a new car |
| 07:30.42 | Wobin | airtonix: if you're driving around in locations at speed enough to run into a roo |
| 07:30.46 | Wobin | You're not driving around schools =P |
| 07:31.03 | airtonix | yeah 4wds should be illegal in cities |
| 07:31.03 | Wobin | I'm not saying bullbars are bad |
| 07:31.09 | Wobin | I'm saying they're bad in SUVs in the city =P |
| 07:31.29 | Wobin | in a city collision, you want both parties to survive |
| 07:31.43 | Wobin | the cars are secondary |
| 07:32.00 | airtonix | amount of clean 4wds with a narrow wheel base i've seen in the city being driven by middle mothers during the last month..... lost count |
| 07:32.20 | airtonix | "IT HELPS ME DO THE SHOPPING BETTER" |
| 07:32.22 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:32.36 | airtonix | ":you mean you have insecurities about being small ? " |
| 07:32.46 | airtonix | "NO!!!" |
| 07:32.49 | airtonix | mhmm |
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| 07:33.23 | airtonix | "You know, you're not meant to do a barrel roll in a 4wd" |
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| 07:51.41 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 07:51.53 | Mirrormn | is going grocery shopping at 4am the Right Thing To Do? |
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| 08:08.58 | Wobin | Mirrormn: only if the grocery store is open at 5am |
| 08:09.00 | Wobin | er 4 |
| 08:09.21 | Mirrormn | well that's kind of a given |
| 08:11.24 | Mirrormn | I think I'll do it |
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| 08:35.58 | jnwhiteh | so whats better |
| 08:36.06 | jnwhiteh | the 264 ilvl stuff from the frost quartermaster in ICC |
| 08:36.11 | jnwhiteh | or the 'druid armor' vendor? |
| 08:36.16 | jnwhiteh | which seems to be 251 for what I can buy |
| 08:36.42 | jnwhiteh | and should I bother buying stuff at this point? I have 1800 justice points |
| 08:36.47 | jnwhiteh | or is it worth saving them for 85? |
| 08:37.18 | zenzio | one does not simply vendor a druid |
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| 09:08.09 | zenzio | "Located at 78 degrees north latitude in the Arctic circle, Longyearbyen experiences a phenomenon called Polar Night, in which the town remains in perpetual darkness for four months each winter." |
| 09:08.24 | zenzio | as does all the rest of Norway above the arctic circle |
| 09:09.59 | jnwhiteh | yeah not sure why they say this place is special =) |
| 09:11.12 | the-golem | and anything else above that circle >.> |
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| 09:26.57 | Xinhuan | do plants grow in such a place which has no sunlight for 4 months at a time? |
| 09:27.16 | zenzio | some |
| 09:27.34 | zenzio | they're most likely covered by snow that time of year anyway |
| 09:30.44 | Kalroth | the important plants dont! |
| 09:30.52 | Mirrormn | as we have been informed by Jurassic Park, Life Finds a Way |
| 09:31.16 | zenzio | http://celebs.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/03/celebrity-pictures-chuckoslovakia/ o_O |
| 09:42.55 | zenzio | "On raid boss encounters, you can only use one of these combat resurrection spells (so one Rebirth or one Soulstone) per attempt for 10-player raids. For 25-player raids you can use three forms of combat resurrection per raid boss attempt (so three of any combination of Rebirth and Soulstone)" |
| 09:43.00 | zenzio | that's an interesting change |
| 09:48.33 | Mikk | It's an annoying change when the crap shaman dies and selfrezzes |
| 09:48.46 | Mikk | And then we can't rebirth people =/ |
| 09:49.28 | pnorman | no it's annoying when the druid rebirths the pet :P |
| 09:51.25 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:51.40 | Wobin | with Beacon on a 1min duration |
| 09:51.47 | Wobin | are we supposed to keep it up at all times? |
| 09:51.58 | Wobin | why did they bother giving it a time limit? |
| 10:06.15 | Mikk | bad players forget about keeping it up, believe me |
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| 11:54.30 | batrick | wishes website designers would get that popups are fucking evil. |
| 11:55.46 | zenzio | in general. There is the odd case where I feel it's better than the alternatives |
| 11:57.30 | batrick | which are? |
| 11:57.55 | batrick | if you want to force the client to focus on one thing and one thing only, then have a splash page or something |
| 11:58.05 | batrick | don't be a dick by having content they want to see but can't click on |
| 11:58.26 | zenzio | now I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 11:58.39 | batrick | i'm not talking about ads if that's what you're thinking |
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| 12:03.32 | angayelle | hai peoplez |
| 12:04.35 | Computerpunk | Hello2u |
| 12:07.14 | angayelle | !api OnTabPressed |
| 12:07.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnTabPressed'. |
| 12:07.28 | angayelle | mmh uihandler maybe ? |
| 12:07.44 | angayelle | !uihandler OnTabPressed |
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| 12:09.23 | angayelle | anyway the uihandler EditBox:OnTabPressed() is documented to add 4 spaces in the selected editbox, i believe this is the built in function |
| 12:10.08 | angayelle | now if i want it to select the next editbox, like it would do in any browser, i need to hook the function ? |
| 12:11.53 | angayelle | or just a <OnTabPressed> myfunction() </OnTabPressed> in my script section of this editbox ? |
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| 12:42.24 | Maldivia | angayelle: the latter |
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| 12:56.46 | Kraps | in inception, it doesnt show them killing themselves in the first layer |
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| 13:05.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i did however buy something for this weekends deal |
| 13:05.52 | angayelle | thanks maldivia |
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| 13:06.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: dont they start 1pm ET? |
| 13:06.30 | Kraps | today? |
| 13:06.35 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yesterday |
| 13:07.01 | Kraps | ah gta |
| 13:07.13 | Kraps | also sega |
| 13:08.10 | Thunder_Child | i got Hurst Short-Throw Shifter |
| 13:08.13 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 13:08.20 | Thunder_Child | Supreme commander 2 |
| 13:08.29 | angayelle | _G mean global and when i use this command : _G[jtfunit.."FrameBar"]:SetWidth(jtfbarwidth*(jtfunithp/jtfunitmaxhp)) |
| 13:09.02 | angayelle | while jtfunit is nil, it goes looking for in the global for it and obviously return a nil error |
| 13:09.46 | angayelle | it seems it go look for it without me asking for it |
| 13:09.48 | cbreak_work | working as intended. |
| 13:10.08 | cbreak_work | codes does what it is made to do, not what you want it to do :) |
| 13:10.14 | angayelle | it means it look for it dynamically, instead of waiting being called ? |
| 13:10.18 | cbreak_work | no |
| 13:10.29 | cbreak_work | it's a normal index lookup |
| 13:10.30 | angayelle | then my code is flawed |
| 13:10.51 | angayelle | gonna check that, there must be a reference to my function somewhere |
| 13:11.02 | angayelle | in onload or event |
| 13:11.23 | cbreak_work | just look at the stack trace |
| 13:12.24 | angayelle | oho it seems i have onupdate running with thefunction before i could hide the frame running it, then it's logical |
| 13:12.25 | angayelle | thanks |
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| 13:14.40 | angayelle | now getting the kids from school, see you later people |
| 13:31.26 | Fisker | haha |
| 13:31.30 | Fisker | wowinsider made a funny |
| 13:31.38 | Fisker | Level 90 guards are better suited to protecting newbie players from max-level griefers. Note that only starting areas will see these high-level guards. The guards in major cities are now level 85 -- dangerous, but soloable. |
| 13:31.38 | Fisker | Players who are upset by this change are encouraged to stop being jerks who grief newbies |
| 13:32.33 | Kraps | http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1807354 |
| 13:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Very nice phrasing on that, Fisker. |
| 13:37.33 | Ackis | holy shit I hurt today |
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| 13:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Weather? |
| 13:39.20 | Maldivia | ackis... do we want to know where... or why? |
| 13:40.03 | Ackis | I was playing kinectimals yesterday and I had to do things to my body I don't normally do |
| 13:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | Exercise! |
| 13:40.20 | zenzio | nevar! |
| 13:40.25 | nev-mobile | what, move it? |
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| 13:41.04 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: dont you have enough pets? |
| 13:41.13 | Lopeppeppy | Bust a moooove. |
| 13:41.29 | Arrowmaster | or are you getting to use your beta versions of the games? |
| 13:41.32 | zenzio | wonder how long before we see Kinectifembot |
| 13:41.59 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5682343/the-first-moron-to-break-his-tv-with-kinect |
| 13:42.44 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I bought kinectimals yesterday :D |
| 13:43.18 | zenzio | "... 47-inch 1080p LCD HDTV" - is HDTV something different from being able to show 1080p, or is that just a redundant name? |
| 13:44.30 | nev-mobile | 720p is hdtv too, if you want to be splitting hairs |
| 13:45.16 | zenzio | I'm just confused. I know 720p is "HD Ready" (ready for what? Will your TV wake up one day and be 1080p?), while 1080p is "Full HD"; but I don't know where "HDTV" fits in |
| 13:45.57 | Arrowmaster | its marketing speach, its entire fucking purpose is to confuse consumers |
| 13:45.58 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's a scam to get you to pay more money... |
| 13:46.12 | nev-mobile | Hdtv is basically the broadcast standard, like people said ntsc or pal before. |
| 13:46.26 | Arrowmaster | thats atsc |
| 13:46.28 | zenzio | hm |
| 13:47.37 | nev-mobile | Technically, 1080p isnt even HDTV, its only a standard in 720p and 1080i, 1080p comes only of BDs or internet |
| 13:48.43 | zenzio | these are interesting times, when porn is higher definition (or just more progressive, lulz) than broadcasts |
| 13:48.46 | nev-mobile | Thats how ITU-R BT.709 defines it, anyway |
| 13:49.33 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5682267/conquer-world-of-warcraft-with-tanks-and-spearmen |
| 13:49.42 | Thunder_Child | thats amusing |
| 13:49.44 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: 1080p porn takes up too much harddrive space imho |
| 13:49.47 | Thunder_Child | i may have to try that |
| 13:50.10 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: whatever works for you |
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| 13:52.57 | Skeen | Having: self.db.global from ace, I'm wanting to make something alike, self.db.global[section][var] = val how would I make that work, I'm getting lots of errors, over attempting to index field ? |
| 13:53.22 | zenzio | does "our" Lunessa post on the MMOC forums? |
| 13:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | I could see him doing so, but I don't know for sure. |
| 13:53.44 | zenzio | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/785300-People-should-be-ashamed-of-themselves.. |
| 13:54.23 | Ackis | was just gonna ask if that was our Lunessa. |
| 13:54.58 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think so... |
| 13:59.44 | zenzio | "I dread the day we face the old god of one thousand wangs. " |
| 13:59.48 | Ackis | sad thing is I had insane about 75% complete for factions before they added it... and I'm still not done heh |
| 14:00.39 | Computerpunk | I dread it too zenzelezz. |
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| 14:05.48 | arkanes | huh |
| 14:05.49 | alestane | I notice they've rephrase the tip about "You're less likely to encounter wandering monsters following a road" as "If you run directly through the wilderness to reach a destination, you might encounter a lot of dangerous creatures along the way!" |
| 14:06.01 | arkanes | and I've been destroying my pristines all this time |
| 14:06.21 | alestane | There's actually something to do with them now. |
| 14:07.37 | foxlit | ? |
| 14:08.35 | alestane | Jewelcrafters can cut black diamonds into random basic HFP gems. |
| 14:09.00 | Zhinjio | pristines are selling right now for stupid money |
| 14:09.12 | Zhinjio | because oft he librams/shen'dralar rep thats going away |
| 14:09.21 | Zhinjio | I sold all mine for like... close to 5k total |
| 14:09.28 | Zhinjio | funded my ore habit for a week |
| 14:09.59 | alestane | People are trying to lose an exalted rep instead of a friendly one? |
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| 14:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | Sure, why not. |
| 14:10.56 | Zhinjio | this is for the insane in the membrane achievo |
| 14:11.05 | alestane | Not that I don't do some similarly silly things. |
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| 14:12.09 | unfo- | alestane, can you get pristines from that cut? |
| 14:12.17 | unfo- | also what is "HFP" ? |
| 14:12.24 | alestane | Hellfire Peninsula. |
| 14:12.30 | unfo- | a |
| 14:12.46 | alestane | And no, because pristine only applies to Northrend gems. |
| 14:13.05 | alestane | This produces random blood garnets and so forth. |
| 14:13.46 | unfo- | prisine black diamond is from Dire Maul |
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| 14:14.09 | zenzio | don't you get them in BRD also? |
| 14:14.12 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 14:14.21 | Arrowmaster | its a random world drop |
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| 14:14.25 | unfo- | ah kk |
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| 14:15.00 | foxlit | gr, webkit devtools |
| 14:15.19 | foxlit | Can't inspect the style of a hovered element :( |
| 14:17.02 | zenzio | makes a slight hand movement |
| 14:17.08 | zenzio | You do not need to see its style. |
| 14:19.47 | alestane | No, I'm pretty sure these are the cookies I was looking for. |
| 14:22.50 | Ackis | More on NASA: Ohio police tell Fox News that shots have been fired in the research center http://bit.ly/9GXcsV |
| 14:22.51 | Ackis | WTF |
| 14:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Frell. |
| 14:24.30 | alestane | I vaguely remember some hostage situation or something at NASA, but not why. |
| 14:24.43 | Arrowmaster | oh up by cleveland, was wondering where that was |
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| 14:33.54 | Ackis | lua> (.9 * 105 + 78) * 1.05 |
| 14:33.54 | lua_bot | Ackis: 181.125 |
| 14:37.22 | Ackis | am i a dick? https://twitter.com/#!/jpasula/status/557065407823872 |
| 14:37.26 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 14:37.31 | Ackis | rhetorical question Thunder_Child |
| 14:37.43 | foxlit | "Something is technically wrong." |
| 14:37.44 | Thunder_Child | i'm going to answer anyway |
| 14:37.55 | Sixen1 | Ackis: They fixed it |
| 14:37.56 | Sixen1 | o_o |
| 14:38.01 | Lopeppeppy | Twitter always has something wrong, foxlit. :) |
| 14:38.16 | Sixen1 | Says Center |
| 14:38.19 | Sixen1 | oh |
| 14:38.20 | Sixen1 | ic |
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| 14:38.32 | Sixen1 | well that's phale. |
| 14:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Very. |
| 14:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | Has a flavour of some sort of local colour, I think... |
| 14:42.02 | Mirrormn | they didn't spell it wrong, your language is just wrong! |
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| 14:44.05 | zenzio | I am intrigued that Twitter has made a large amount of people realise the limits of javascript numbers |
| 14:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | mrp? |
| 14:45.45 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: Twitter is rolling out an update in their feeds because javascript's numbers can't accurately represent greater than 2^53 (I think it was), and Twitter status IDs have hit this barrier |
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| 14:46.01 | zenzio | or they will sometime today |
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| 14:48.06 | Hirsute | Wow. I thought there were some unbelievably stupid douchebags in trade on *my* server. I'm currently visiting Blackrock-US horde side, and these tools make my server look like a bunch of frakking geniuses. |
| 14:48.40 | Arrowmaster | Hirsute: go try malganis |
| 14:49.14 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: given the setting in which that was said, I might just prefer not to. This is truly frightening. |
| 14:50.22 | Hirsute | It's like watching a train run full-speed into a canyon wall, then explode. Repeatedly. |
| 14:51.28 | Ackis | http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1aIekm/newsfeed.time.com/2010/11/05/21st-century-war-google-maps-error-leads-to-nicaraguan-invasion/ |
| 14:51.31 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:51.36 | Ackis | google started a war (kind of) |
| 14:51.42 | Shirik | So here's the question of the day |
| 14:51.48 | Hirsute | 42 |
| 14:51.49 | Shirik | do I really need a V6? |
| 14:52.11 | Shirik | probably not, right? |
| 14:52.19 | alestane | An engine? |
| 14:52.24 | alestane | Not for most applications. |
| 14:52.32 | zenzio | Ackis: Win95 had a fancy time zone chart that highlighted your zone, and showed country borders or something. They had to change this because certain countries objected to the borders |
| 14:53.28 | nevcairiel | I've always wondered where that went! |
| 14:53.48 | Shirik | "certain countries" |
| 14:53.54 | alestane | India threatened to boycott them for indicating the disputed territory was in Pakistan and not India. |
| 14:53.58 | Shirik | votes israel/pakistan |
| 14:54.30 | Mirrormn | they should have just changed the entire region to not have borders and then labeled it "Some countries or whatever" |
| 14:55.44 | zenzio | here's the time zone thing I was talking about: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2003/08/22/54679.aspx |
| 14:57.01 | Shirik | anyway, all I really want to make sure is that I can drive in potentially uncleared snow |
| 14:57.10 | Shirik | I'm not really going to be towing anything |
| 14:57.26 | Fisker | World of Warcraft New Mount Cataclysm? |
| 14:57.34 | Fisker | World of Warcraft players you!Cataclysm is about to begin, we have to compare World of Warcraft major revision may cause the same to you hope you can understand! 85 new mount coming soon, World of Warcraft players who could be our lucky stars,we will be complimentary seat to the 5,000 new players |
| 14:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that's more about your tires and being used to front/rear wheel drive. |
| 14:57.41 | nevcairiel | Didnt you claim you've never even heard of cold weather that makes engines not start, and now you want to drive through snow? |
| 14:57.50 | Fisker | is this email real or fake ololol? |
| 14:57.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'd be more concerned with all wheel drive and damn good snow tires, than V# |
| 14:58.22 | zenzio | who says you need a V-engine anyway? |
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| 14:59.45 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what exactly are you looking at? |
| 15:01.57 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Definitely going with 4WD or AWD (prefer 4WD but I'm not going to complain that much) |
| 15:02.01 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Currently the Equinox |
| 15:02.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ive drove a 1.8L 4cyl FF car through a foot of snow before |
| 15:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | 4WD has higher resale value in the Northeast, overall, but hey. :) |
| 15:03.35 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.55 | Lopeppeppy | With 4WD or AWD and a shovel and a bag of cat litter, you can pretty much go anywhere. Tire chains in the extreme north are helpful. |
| 15:04.12 | Kraps | idk Fisker looks real |
| 15:04.49 | alestane | It's worth noting that 4WD does not allow you to ignore weather conditions...4 wheels times no traction per wheel is still no traction. But it can help. |
| 15:05.46 | Arrowmaster | when i wrecked my last car on black ice i was looking at a used AWD audi tt but it got sold before i could get it |
| 15:06.37 | Lopeppeppy | black ice will F you up no matter if you're in a dump truck or a 4wd. Sad but true. :( |
| 15:07.05 | Arrowmaster | yes the fucking 18 wheeler that tried to stop on the hill after i wrecked almost lost control too |
| 15:08.38 | Arrowmaster | but still i was driving a front wheel drive car with no traction control, no anti-lock breaks, nothing fancy at all |
| 15:08.41 | Shirik | yes alestane :) |
| 15:09.16 | alestane | So you don't worry much about uncleared snow in Florida. Did I miss you moving somewhere? |
| 15:09.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik has official resident status in like 5 different states at once |
| 15:10.01 | Shirik | one sec alestane |
| 15:10.05 | Shirik | I'll explain everything :) |
| 15:10.13 | Shirik | trying to help a student atm >.> |
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| 15:10.25 | airtonix | boone is the new leroy |
| 15:11.24 | Arrowmaster | my beautiful car after the black ice =( http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=141802&id=573016444&l=cd5b2a6899 |
| 15:11.55 | airtonix | and after the break... pictures of his car in an altercation with a giant pumpkin |
| 15:12.18 | airtonix | http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/959559-fallout-new-vegas/56817725?page=2 |
| 15:12.43 | Arrowmaster | heres my first car after a car crossed the median on the interstate and i tboned it http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=141811&id=573016444&l=2edc7edd3d |
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| 15:13.05 | Kraps | http://www.andrewlipson.com/escher/ascending.html |
| 15:13.23 | Arrowmaster | well actually it tboned a semi then i tboned it after it did a 180 from hitting the semi |
| 15:14.31 | Arrowmaster | can you believe they declared it totaled with that little damage |
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| 15:15.02 | airtonix | the green one ? |
| 15:15.05 | Seerah | well, if it has enough structural damage... |
| 15:15.07 | nevcairiel | totaled just means that repair cost wouldb e higher then market value |
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| 15:15.15 | Seerah | that, too |
| 15:15.21 | Arrowmaster | no the copper one was mine |
| 15:15.27 | airtonix | well |
| 15:15.31 | airtonix | hit from the corner |
| 15:15.33 | airtonix | depends |
| 15:15.44 | airtonix | might have twisted the chassis |
| 15:15.48 | airtonix | a tiny bit |
| 15:15.50 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yes fucking airbags are expensive so if they go off they just automatically say 'totaled' |
| 15:16.03 | Seerah | -.- |
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| 15:16.16 | Ackis | sometimes when I'm driving, my air bag goes off and I want to crash the car |
| 15:16.22 | Ackis | is still waiting for his song Seerah |
| 15:16.31 | Seerah | is still waiting for her microphone |
| 15:16.34 | alestane | Should find out today if my car is likely to be repaired or totaled. |
| 15:16.35 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:16.40 | Seerah | (and I have the other project to do first) :) |
| 15:16.50 | Arrowmaster | alestane: what happened? |
| 15:16.58 | airtonix | slides a microphone in |
| 15:17.03 | alestane | It got stolen a week before BlizzCon. |
| 15:17.08 | airtonix | gidiggdy |
| 15:17.30 | alestane | Turned up behind an abandoned building a week later, minus the battery, the stereo and the rear passenger door. |
| 15:17.43 | Lulia | :( |
| 15:17.47 | Arrowmaster | who steals a rear passenger door? |
| 15:17.54 | nevcairiel | someone that needs one |
| 15:17.57 | airtonix | ^ |
| 15:18.05 | alestane | Someone who's been in an accident, obviously. |
| 15:18.46 | alestane | The tow guy said it's actually a common practice these days, especially with popular cars like Civics. Someone needs a door for a green Civic, so they go out and steal one to match. |
| 15:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, you smashed those up good! |
| 15:19.11 | airtonix | yeah getting the right colour is a bitch |
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| 15:21.02 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: the dark colored camry wasnt mine, its what i hit |
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| 15:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Still, you make a good mess when you set out to make a mess. |
| 15:22.22 | Arrowmaster | i liked my black coupe though, i wish i still had it |
| 15:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | I still have a shard of glass from the accident I was in back in... 97? I think. |
| 15:22.34 | Shirik | ok so alestane |
| 15:22.44 | Shirik | Snow, lots of snow |
| 15:22.57 | Arrowmaster | Shirik moved to canada |
| 15:23.08 | nevcairiel | or alaska |
| 15:23.21 | Arrowmaster | im still saying canada |
| 15:23.33 | Arrowmaster | nobody wants to live in alaska |
| 15:24.19 | alestane | Someone must, although it is, I believe, the least populous state in the Union. |
| 15:24.54 | Shirik | Where I live snowplows aren't likely to come through until late, and I have every intention of going skiing too which may involve driving on roads that haven't been plowed |
| 15:25.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:25.05 | Shirik | so I've pretty much committed myself to an SUV |
| 15:25.23 | Shirik | The real question is "is it advisable to get an I4 in an SUV" |
| 15:25.33 | Shirik | my current SUV is a V6 so I can't say I have any experience with it |
| 15:25.33 | Arrowmaster | funny story, a guy i used to be in a guild with was a truck driver in alaska, and a guy i met in the line for left2die at blizzcon i think was a truck driver in alaska too |
| 15:25.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you're right, there are not many snowplows in florida |
| 15:25.50 | alestane | Your folks in in North Carolina or something, do I remember that right? |
| 15:25.59 | Shirik | this will be the border of Washington/Oregon |
| 15:26.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: is that were you are currently? |
| 15:26.24 | Shirik | currently? no |
| 15:26.25 | Shirik | will be? yes |
| 15:26.28 | alestane | Is this where you're working after graduation or some such? |
| 15:26.31 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:26.35 | TC-Work | alestane: nope http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=smallest+state+population+in+the+US |
| 15:26.50 | batrick | not an SUV shirik |
| 15:26.51 | Arrowmaster | i would say ask around and find out from the other people living in the area what their experiences have been |
| 15:26.56 | batrick | that's just distasteful |
| 15:27.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:27.16 | Shirik | why |
| 15:27.37 | batrick | SUVs are for soccer moms trying to be hip |
| 15:27.47 | batrick | and men who aren't manly enough for a truck |
| 15:27.58 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: get this http://kotaku.com/5638918/call-of-duty-black-ops-gets-its-own-limited-edition-jeep |
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| 15:29.09 | Shirik | batrick: I'm trying not to spend a fortune on gas |
| 15:29.15 | Shirik | I priced out some trucks |
| 15:29.17 | batrick | SUVs are gas pigs... |
| 15:29.23 | batrick | anyway gotta go |
| 15:29.26 | Shirik | the one I'm looking at is rated 29 MPG HW |
| 15:29.56 | TC-Work | Shirik: get a hovercraft |
| 15:30.04 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/ wooooooooo |
| 15:30.05 | Arrowmaster | could be worse, i knew a guy with a truck that got 4 MPG |
| 15:30.26 | Arrowmaster | he had to have it registered to a company in another state due to emissions laws |
| 15:30.43 | Arrowmaster | that and every time he got gas he had to add a lead additive to the tank |
| 15:31.24 | Fisker | i woooooo'd your mom Kraps |
| 15:32.15 | Lulia | Is there a way to disable a Dropdown Menu that was created from a regular frame? |
| 15:32.22 | industrial | leveling 5 years ago: FUCK WHERE DO I GO!! leveling now: stand next to trainer and /dungeonmaster |
| 15:32.40 | industrial | Remember how we talked about how MMO's were grinds/ |
| 15:32.44 | industrial | How is wow not a grind right now? |
| 15:32.52 | Ackis | CanadaAckis won 8 achievements in Kinectimals for 158 points |
| 15:32.54 | Ackis | I ROCK |
| 15:32.56 | industrial | how we used to talk about* |
| 15:33.05 | nevcairiel | It doesn't have to be. Its your own fault when all you do is grinding dungeons |
| 15:33.05 | Arrowmaster | industrial: wait you still have to goto the trainer? |
| 15:33.11 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: for new spells |
| 15:33.15 | industrial | ;) |
| 15:33.30 | Arrowmaster | ok so you dont need to return every 2 levels |
| 15:33.37 | Arrowmaster | but still need to return often |
| 15:33.43 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:33.49 | nevcairiel | spellbook tells you when |
| 15:33.54 | industrial | also, pally tanking is hammer of the righteous. thats it. one spell. I just did a whole instance with one button. |
| 15:34.05 | industrial | return? I dont need to return. i just stand there and do instances and pop im back there |
| 15:34.20 | nevcairiel | Like i said, its your own fault if you make the game a grind |
| 15:34.21 | Arrowmaster | industrial: so you can do entire instances with only one button on other classes too |
| 15:34.35 | Arrowmaster | i did a lowbie dungeon on my druid once with nothing but rejuv |
| 15:34.46 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: you do ICC with nothing but rejuv |
| 15:34.52 | industrial | :p I pull like 20 mobs tho :D I scare healers |
| 15:34.54 | nevcairiel | true story |
| 15:35.07 | industrial | and I have to use my own heal -_-' |
| 15:35.11 | industrial | so 2 spells! |
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| 15:35.22 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i used to do black temple with nothing but one button, shadow bolt |
| 15:35.25 | industrial | it crit heals me for 80% hp tho! |
| 15:35.34 | industrial | did i mention the 3k crits at level 40? |
| 15:35.37 | industrial | as TANK |
| 15:35.52 | nevcairiel | low-level dmg has been tuned down on beta already |
| 15:36.01 | industrial | this game is becoming very rediculous, and not what I liked about MMO when I started playing. I love hard to play games :((( |
| 15:36.03 | nevcairiel | at least i think it was in the last build |
| 15:36.34 | Mikk | NEED MOAR 15 MINUTE ONE-WAY-TO-GO DUNGEONS |
| 15:36.36 | Ackis | industrial: I have a hard game you can play |
| 15:36.40 | Mikk | oO |
| 15:37.01 | industrial | Ackis: show me! |
| 15:37.01 | Mikk | was boosting a friend through brd & lbrs last night |
| 15:37.04 | industrial | (the game) |
| 15:37.05 | Mikk | nostalgiaaaaa |
| 15:37.21 | alestane | The leveling game has never really been about challenge, except occasionally by accident. |
| 15:37.26 | Arrowmaster | industrial: finish off eternal sonata for me |
| 15:37.37 | industrial | Arrowmaster: sounds like touhou |
| 15:37.45 | industrial | nevcairiel: I dont even need loot anymore, random dungeons gimme that. .. |
| 15:37.46 | Ackis | lulz |
| 15:37.58 | Lopeppeppy | Gimme your purplz? |
| 15:38.03 | Arrowmaster | mmm touhou, thats something i havent played in a while |
| 15:38.19 | nevcairiel | industrial: like i said, if you don't like that way of leveling, just don't do it |
| 15:38.22 | nevcairiel | also, stop crying! |
| 15:39.13 | industrial | :'( |
| 15:39.32 | industrial | I just need a new MMO 'sall |
| 15:39.50 | TC-Work | i need D3 |
| 15:40.00 | Arrowmaster | yes D3 |
| 15:40.44 | Ackis | D3 is going to be a huge let down |
| 15:41.01 | TC-Work | sure is if you go in with that attitude |
| 15:41.06 | nevcairiel | Blizzard doesnt do let downs |
| 15:41.26 | TC-Work | Starcraft: ghost |
| 15:41.35 | Lulia | D3 is going to be awesome |
| 15:41.47 | nevcairiel | i don't count console games |
| 15:42.02 | nevcairiel | they are designed to fail! |
| 15:42.09 | Ackis | I'm saying that D3 is on this huge pedestal and is the "silver bullet" so to speak, but it's just going to be another game |
| 15:42.10 | TC-Work | i'm not going to account for your narrow minded views |
| 15:42.17 | Ackis | SC2 was a let down for me tbh, wotlk was a let down |
| 15:42.26 | Ackis | I'm expecting cata to be a let down |
| 15:42.35 | TC-Work | sex was prolly a let down |
| 15:42.36 | nevcairiel | just shoot yoruself already |
| 15:42.40 | nevcairiel | we know you want to |
| 15:42.44 | TC-Work | death is going to be a huuuuuuuuuuge letdown |
| 15:43.16 | Ackis | by then TC-Work I just won't care :P |
| 15:43.27 | TC-Work | Ackis: you dont know that |
| 15:43.29 | TC-Work | you cant |
| 15:43.29 | nevcairiel | but its next week |
| 15:43.35 | Ackis | I don't do multiplayer in SC2 hence why it was a let down, I didn't like the campaign that much |
| 15:44.19 | nevcairiel | Thats why i didnt get the game, i don't really like the theme, i'm more of a warcraft person, with magic and all! |
| 15:44.28 | nevcairiel | and i suck at multiplayer rts :P |
| 15:44.49 | TC-Work | i suck at multiplayer rts as well, but i love SP |
| 15:44.55 | Lulia | I liked the campaign quite a bit in SC2 |
| 15:45.01 | Lulia | Personally. |
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| 15:46.20 | Lulia | So no on the disabling? |
| 15:50.02 | alestane | I always feel bad for Lost Barrens Kodo. |
| 15:50.15 | Lopeppeppy | I love that song! |
| 15:50.41 | Lulia | ? |
| 15:50.59 | foxlit | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372127,00.asp |
| 15:51.03 | alestane | I *think* that was Peppy feeling Silly. But not sure. |
| 15:51.08 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! |
| 15:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | I will find. |
| 15:51.15 | foxlit | "Wofford accused Apple of intentionally making iOS 4 harmful for 3G and 3GS devices so customers would be forced to buy the iPhone 4 and help Apple's bottom line." |
| 15:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | "The Great Kodo" is the song. I totally recommend all of his WoW offerings. http://www.youtube.com/user/Oxhorn |
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| 15:54.20 | alestane | While I can see them abandoning iPhone 3 owners to some extent, I can't see them deliberately sabotaging them. |
| 15:54.30 | alestane | Oh, it's an Oxhorn peice, okay. |
| 16:02.03 | alestane | foxlit: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2335370,00.asp |
| 16:02.35 | alestane | Apparently someone figures they have a patented monopoly of web browsers on phones. |
| 16:02.39 | foxlit | "EMG wants damages and any profit Apple has earned from the sale of iPhones." |
| 16:02.47 | foxlit | Oh doesn't everyone? |
| 16:03.59 | Fisker | EMG should win |
| 16:04.15 | cbreak_work | so they can sue nokia, google and microsoft? |
| 16:04.45 | alestane | No, Fisker just doesn't want Apple making any money. |
| 16:05.11 | cbreak_work | prevent people from giving money to apple then |
| 16:05.17 | durcyn | the only thing worse than apple fanboys, is apple haters |
| 16:06.22 | Lulia | No, they really aren't worse than apple fanboys |
| 16:06.31 | Lulia | You didn't have to deal with apple fanboys at tech services |
| 16:06.51 | Lulia | "I'm so much better than you because I have an APPLE" |
| 16:07.02 | Lulia | "Well why don't you fix your perfect Apple computer then" |
| 16:07.16 | durcyn | okay, let's go with 'breathless [love|hate] for [product] is insufferable." |
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| 16:07.22 | Fisker | i don't hate apple durcyn |
| 16:07.35 | arkanes | bianca wofford seems a little bit of a nutcase |
| 16:08.22 | arkanes | suing because an updated bricked your phone is reasonable, I guess, if a bit extreme but the update certainly did not result in "loss of of use and substantially degraded performance for all owners and consumers" |
| 16:08.49 | nicoli_s | if you cant use it, then how can you say the performance was degraded? |
| 16:09.03 | arkanes | ah she doesn't actually mean bricked |
| 16:09.14 | arkanes | she says it has "20% of the functionality it had before" |
| 16:09.19 | cbreak_work | no one who says bricked means actually bricked these days |
| 16:10.31 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: when i say that a required dashboard update from microsoft bricked my day one xbox 360 after the warranty expired i really do mean bricked |
| 16:10.34 | durcyn | arkanes: it's silly, especially considering apple realized they hadn't tested it well enough on old handsets and fixed the performance issues in 4.1/4.2 |
| 16:10.54 | arkanes | I can't help but wonder if she means she had a jailbroken phone with a bunch of non-standard functions and now she doesn't |
| 16:11.01 | cbreak_work | Arrowmaster: no restore-from-backup? |
| 16:11.06 | arkanes | I didn't update my iphone 3 for that reason |
| 16:11.06 | cbreak_work | it's a game console |
| 16:11.15 | cbreak_work | so reset it to factory settings maybe? |
| 16:11.26 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: yes and it died on what is essentially flashing the bios |
| 16:11.31 | cbreak_work | ouch |
| 16:11.41 | cbreak_work | JTag time? :) |
| 16:11.50 | cbreak_work | well, maybe not an option with that xbox |
| 16:11.54 | Arrowmaster | and from the research i did that update killed a lot of 1.0 xbox 360s |
| 16:12.02 | arkanes | that is sad |
| 16:12.11 | Arrowmaster | its an option, i just need to get the equipment to do it |
| 16:12.20 | arkanes | you could see if there's a class action suit |
| 16:12.31 | foxlit | Where do they actually store the default colors for raid/say/yell chat? |
| 16:12.34 | Arrowmaster | arkanes: only about 10 people still had 1.0 xbox 360s |
| 16:12.53 | arkanes | Arrowmaster: size of the class isn't neccesarily an obstacle! |
| 16:13.04 | foxlit | searched through chatframe.lua, fonts.xml, constants.lua, but it doesn't seem like it's there |
| 16:13.31 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: chat config something .lua |
| 16:13.35 | cbreak_work | Arrowmaster: all others were redringed to death? :) |
| 16:13.37 | arkanes | latest chrome update makes it crash when it tries to play animated gifs |
| 16:13.43 | arkanes | I can't decide if this is a bug or a feature |
| 16:13.47 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: from the forum posts i found yes |
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| 16:21.38 | Kraps | lol @memento "so what am i doing? oh i'm chasing this guy... no, hes chasing me" |
| 16:21.54 | industrial | :p |
| 16:22.55 | Lulia | :P |
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| 16:28.34 | alestane | Nope, they're totalling it. |
| 16:28.36 | MoonWitch | mmmmmmm nightmare on elm street |
| 16:29.18 | Lulia | Sucks, Alestane. Insurance cover it? |
| 16:29.30 | alestane | $3400 worth of damage, once they figure it the possibility of open claim supplements for mechanical damage, they decided it wasn't worth it. |
| 16:29.58 | alestane | The good new is that the replacement value reimbursement has been calculated at almost double what I expected. |
| 16:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | huggles alestane. |
| 16:30.22 | alestane | My poor little burro. |
| 16:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | Time for a burrito? |
| 16:32.03 | MoonWitch | adds that to the list of stuff she can't eat |
| 16:32.08 | alestane | Not when I has lasagna in the fridge, Peppy. |
| 16:32.12 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fq4.png |
| 16:32.12 | Arrowmaster | alestane: whats the replacement value reimbursement compared to bluebook value? |
| 16:32.15 | Ackis | Fisker: you asshole ^ |
| 16:32.42 | alestane | About $2500 higher compared to kbb.com |
| 16:32.58 | Arrowmaster | nice |
| 16:33.12 | alestane | But they determine it by surveying dealers in the area for sale prices on comparable vehicles. |
| 16:33.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats what they did on my cars, except the first one it was the other guys insurance company and they kept trying to fuck us over |
| 16:34.39 | Arrowmaster | my 96 was wrecked in 04 and the car looked almost brand new but they tried to give us the lowest of the estimates they got |
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| 16:35.54 | Arrowmaster | when i wrecked my 01 earlier this year the guy from my own insurance company commented that my car looked like it was in excellent condition before the wreck and that the interior was in almost perfect condition so he added a few hundred dollars onto the value |
| 16:37.49 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah, fuck progressive, that was the other guys insurance company from my first wreck, but im still using the monitor i had in the car with me that i told them was broken so they gave me $1000 for it |
| 16:38.36 | Arrowmaster | hugs his Dell 2001FP |
| 16:39.23 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 16:39.25 | durcyn | they gave you a thousand bucks for a three hundred dollar monitor? |
| 16:40.20 | Arrowmaster | when i bought the monitor it was a $1000 monitor |
| 16:40.33 | Arrowmaster | although i got it on sale for $750 |
| 16:42.04 | durcyn | er, you overpaid then, my 2001FPW was half that |
| 16:42.17 | Arrowmaster | what year did you get it? |
| 16:42.32 | Arrowmaster | and mines a 2001FP not a 2001FPW |
| 16:42.35 | durcyn | 2004ish, i don't recall specifically |
| 16:42.44 | durcyn | just seems a bit high, oh well |
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| 16:43.38 | MoonWitch | Note : Nightmare on Elmstreet was better when Robert Englund played Freddie :*( |
| 16:43.51 | Lopeppeppy | I still can't watch that movie. *shudder* |
| 16:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | There's like 3 horror movies that actually frighten me. |
| 16:45.48 | Elkano | Bambi, Watership Down and? |
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| 16:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Elkano on the Barbeque. |
| 16:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | Watership Down is very well done, I think. |
| 16:50.49 | alestane | Watership Down's an adventure movie, not a horror movie. |
| 16:51.09 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy: which movies freak you out? |
| 16:51.11 | alestane | Just don't make the mistake of assuming that an animated movie about rabbits must be targeted at kids. |
| 16:51.34 | MoonWitch | also : I have issues with movies involving kids .. |
| 16:51.54 | MoonWitch | (so the part in nightmare on that bothers me is the song sung by kids) |
| 16:52.28 | Elkano | alestane, yeah, I still don't get why it was rated 6+ over here... |
| 16:55.10 | alestane | Over where? |
| 16:55.25 | Lopeppeppy | IT, Freddy in general, and Witchboard, of all things. The uncut Exorcist has much of freaky evil, but I can still watch it. |
| 16:56.48 | Elkano | alestane, Germany... |
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| 16:56.53 | alestane | Ah. |
| 16:57.06 | daev | IT used to scare me too. |
| 16:57.19 | alestane | Maybe just because compared to a traditional Marchen, it's not that scary? |
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| 16:57.44 | Elkano | I rather guess it was caused by animation -> kids |
| 16:57.45 | alestane | Station |
| 16:57.49 | Lunessa | *cough* Station *cough* |
| 16:57.58 | alestane | That would definitely be the reason over here, yes. |
| 16:58.21 | alestane | brings Lunessa a good dose of "tonic". |
| 16:58.40 | Lunessa | Thank alestane. |
| 16:58.42 | Elkano | though I think through anime becoming mor popular and people becoming aware of them that has changed a bit the last few years |
| 16:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you can have my Nyquil, it gave me HORRIBLE nightmares last night! |
| 16:59.17 | alestane | Sounded like you had a rough night, Peppy. |
| 16:59.29 | alestane | Not that I'd have minded if you made it to Boston somehow. |
| 16:59.35 | alestane | But that did sound freaky. |
| 16:59.39 | Lunessa | For example, Netflix has an Animation and Animae category, and they clearly mark which items are rated "R" etc. |
| 16:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | And that was just the ONE dream. Not even the one about the hit man coming up my balcony, or the corrupt cops pounding in the door, or Rosie trying to eat me. |
| 17:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | Netflix carries hentai? |
| 17:00.09 | nicoli_s | really? link |
| 17:00.14 | Ackis | I'll be damned, a file sharing penalty that makes sense: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/11/04/how-reasonable-german-court-fines-convicted-file-sharer-e30/ |
| 17:00.18 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Not exactly. |
| 17:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't think it was that easy, Lunessa. |
| 17:00.46 | alestane | That's right up there with my most febrile imaginings, Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:00.49 | alestane | *hugs* |
| 17:01.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I spent last night with Lady NyQuil myself. And most of yesterday too. |
| 17:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | She can kiss my sweet hiney, last night was evil. |
| 17:01.41 | Ackis | people look at me funny when I tell them I have 2-3 hours of doctors appointments every 2 weeks for the next couple of months :( |
| 17:01.53 | arkanes | netflix has the violent anime, but no sexual stuff |
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| 17:02.20 | Lunessa | That's ok. I don't really want the sexual stuff. |
| 17:02.21 | arkanes | well |
| 17:02.37 | arkanes | no explicit stuff, they've got stuff thats basically pure fanservice |
| 17:02.43 | Lunessa | Legend of the Overfiend was horrible enough, than you. |
| 17:02.53 | arkanes | and they're not very good at filtering it, because it came up on my kids "suggested" list :P |
| 17:03.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, sometimes staying healthy is worth it. *hug* You're doing good! |
| 17:03.12 | Arrowmaster | do they have Mnemosyne |
| 17:03.15 | arkanes | something about girls in some sort of tournament with lots of clothes getting torn off and lesbianism |
| 17:04.16 | alestane | Urotsukidouji is just pretty dreadful, Lunessa. And that's going off of just description. |
| 17:04.20 | Arrowmaster | arkanes: ikkitousen? |
| 17:04.23 | arkanes | I don't remember |
| 17:04.25 | arkanes | let me look |
| 17:04.49 | arkanes | queens blade |
| 17:04.53 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 17:05.04 | Arrowmaster | oh wow |
| 17:05.05 | Lunessa | alestane: It was sprung on me by those evil bastards in the Animae club and Texas A&M at AggieCon in '92. I have never forgiven them. |
| 17:05.10 | arkanes | http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Queen-s-Blade-The-Exiled-Virgin-Vol.-1-A-Single-Step/70130744?trkid=814587 |
| 17:05.30 | Arrowmaster | i got a login screen |
| 17:05.39 | arkanes | :( |
| 17:05.55 | Arrowmaster | but yeah that shit is borderline hentai |
| 17:05.57 | Lunessa | Yeah, you're linking from your account, and people can't see that. |
| 17:06.04 | arkanes | the description doesn't mention "highly sexualized content and little pink animated nipples" anywhere |
| 17:06.20 | Arrowmaster | do they have Mnemosyne on netflix? |
| 17:06.20 | arkanes | totally needs to be a LPAN tag |
| 17:06.22 | Lunessa | But it does have a MPAA rating, no? |
| 17:06.25 | Lulia | So, I had this bug last night in my script and I figured I was going to have a rough time dealing with it. |
| 17:06.30 | arkanes | TV-14 |
| 17:06.31 | Lulia | First look at it today and it's fixed. |
| 17:06.38 | arkanes | which seems.. low? to me? |
| 17:06.54 | arkanes | but it came up on our appliance, and I didn't notice the rating there |
| 17:06.55 | Lunessa | Well, 14 year old boys need light-weight porn too. |
| 17:07.49 | arkanes | soul eater is more along the lines of what I'd consider tv-14 |
| 17:08.00 | arkanes | it's all very tee hee sex is funny |
| 17:08.18 | arkanes | haha look at how silly boys are around naked girls, tee hee |
| 17:08.21 | Arrowmaster | i guess they do have it http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Rin-Daughter-of-Mnemosyne-The-Complete-Series/70128062 |
| 17:08.24 | Arrowmaster | notice the rating |
| 17:08.46 | arkanes | not for streaming though |
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| 17:09.33 | Arrowmaster | fyi it is not a fanservice anime, it earns that rating |
| 17:09.45 | alestane | No, Rin is not light-hearted. |
| 17:09.51 | arkanes | well they carry caligula too |
| 17:10.00 | arkanes | the unrated edition, no less |
| 17:10.17 | Lunessa | Yeah, I mostly watch the stuff they have for streaming. I will never be hardcore enough to go digging for stuff I can only get as torrents or by trading tape copies (again). |
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| 17:10.52 | sylvanaar_work | From the ACM today - "Are you Py-Curious" |
| 17:11.36 | alestane | I like pie... |
| 17:11.47 | sylvanaar_work | gotta admit its funny |
| 17:12.26 | Lunessa | I once contemplated a 'buying trip' to Japan in 1991 to stock up on stuff that wasn't available in the US - but then I got caught up in commercializing the internet. |
| 17:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | That's hard core, Lunessa. |
| 17:13.15 | arkanes | and hey, while you weren't looking someone combined both your interests |
| 17:13.22 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I was going to profit thereby. But... I did better with the internet thing. |
| 17:13.22 | arkanes | you can get pretty much anything on jlist now |
| 17:14.33 | alestane | "Remember remember the 5th of November... when Dr Emmett "Doc" Brown developed the flux capacitor 55 years ago!" |
| 17:15.10 | syrae | alestane: win |
| 17:15.26 | syrae | also, thanks for reminding me that it's my friend's b-day today |
| 17:15.34 | Lulia | Of course there's a new bug to take its place... |
| 17:16.18 | Lulia | It's almost as if it's layering the base frame's texture OVER the other frame's texture |
| 17:16.22 | Lulia | But that shouldn't be possible... |
| 17:16.30 | Lulia | And it does it at random too, it doesn't ALWAYS do it. |
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| 17:17.10 | sioraiocht | mikma: ping! |
| 17:17.16 | jnwhiteh | sioraiocht: vagina. |
| 17:17.22 | sioraiocht | jnwhiteh: your mom! |
| 17:17.25 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:17.26 | jnwhiteh | ouch! |
| 17:17.38 | Lulia | Hey jnwhiteh, question. You know that dropdown menu? |
| 17:17.47 | jnwhiteh | I am in fact familiar with many dropdown menus |
| 17:17.52 | jnwhiteh | some more than others |
| 17:17.57 | Lulia | If I wanted to say... disable it under certain conditions... |
| 17:18.03 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't get biblical about it... |
| 17:18.16 | Lulia | Since it was created from a frame base, it doesn't seem to like :Disable() |
| 17:18.19 | Lulia | oh god |
| 17:18.29 | Lulia | Pidgin just turned that into a smiley face |
| 17:18.37 | sioraiocht | ha |
| 17:18.51 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: none of that is true, actually. |
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| 17:18.57 | Lulia | Huh? |
| 17:19.07 | syrae | Lulia: smiley isable() to do some fine stuff |
| 17:19.09 | jnwhiteh | :Disable() doesn't disable all the child frames, which is what you actually want. |
| 17:19.22 | jnwhiteh | has nothing to do with 'from a frame base' |
| 17:19.27 | Lulia | Oh |
| 17:19.30 | Lulia | Well I got an error |
| 17:19.36 | jnwhiteh | and what was the error? |
| 17:19.42 | Lulia | Said Disable was nil |
| 17:20.00 | Lulia | Which is usually what happens if what I'm using it on doesn't have the function. |
| 17:20.07 | jnwhiteh | so make it a Button |
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| 17:20.16 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:20.18 | jnwhiteh | it still probably wont' do what you want it to do. |
| 17:20.25 | Lulia | Because of the child frames? |
| 17:20.47 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 17:20.49 | jnwhiteh | you have to do more work than that. |
| 17:21.10 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:21.22 | Lulia | My other alternative was to just not have it show after it was made |
| 17:21.38 | jnwhiteh | UIDropDownMenu_DisableDropDown |
| 17:21.45 | Lulia | Ah... |
| 17:21.55 | Shirik | I figured out what kind of car I want |
| 17:21.58 | Shirik | I want one with two engines |
| 17:22.05 | Shirik | so I can switch between V6 and I4 as I need |
| 17:22.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:22.14 | Shirik | That would be brilliant |
| 17:22.21 | Shirik | improve gas mileage like crazy |
| 17:22.25 | Shirik | without losing power |
| 17:22.35 | Fisker | wrong |
| 17:22.49 | Shirik | It will bring a whole new meaning to hybrid |
| 17:22.50 | Shirik | and |
| 17:22.50 | Lulia | Hmm, that wasn't on WoWPedia, thanks jnwhiteh |
| 17:22.54 | mikma | sioraiocht: pong! sometimes, when theres a cold weather |
| 17:22.59 | Lulia | I assume it's in the reference on wowprogramming? |
| 17:23.00 | Shirik | If you use both engines at the same time it's probably as good as a V8 |
| 17:23.01 | jnwhiteh | its not an API function |
| 17:23.03 | jnwhiteh | so no |
| 17:23.05 | Lulia | Oh |
| 17:23.07 | jnwhiteh | its a Lua defined function |
| 17:23.08 | sioraiocht | mikma: talking about the northern lights? |
| 17:23.11 | sioraiocht | hopes to see them. |
| 17:23.12 | Lulia | In their file |
| 17:23.15 | Lulia | That I should have read |
| 17:23.16 | mikma | sioraiocht: ya |
| 17:23.16 | Lulia | >.> |
| 17:23.16 | jnwhiteh | you should always actually look at the code of the template you are using. |
| 17:23.18 | sioraiocht | Else I'll have to go to ReykjavÃk to see them |
| 17:23.20 | jnwhiteh | UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 17:23.23 | jnwhiteh | which I asked you to read |
| 17:23.25 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:23.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik :E |
| 17:23.26 | Lulia | <.< |
| 17:23.30 | mikma | sioraiocht: also needs to be dark =) |
| 17:23.30 | Fisker | you so wrong :( |
| 17:23.37 | Lulia | I'll get on that |
| 17:23.39 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 17:23.43 | jnwhiteh | yw |
| 17:23.50 | Kraps | memento |
| 17:23.54 | sioraiocht | mikma: Is that generaly a problem in winter? =p |
| 17:23.59 | Kraps | i dont get it |
| 17:24.12 | Shirik | hifisker |
| 17:24.27 | batrick | shirik never says hi to me like he does to Fisker |
| 17:24.30 | Fisker | heyshirik |
| 17:24.33 | batrick | what a jerk |
| 17:24.37 | Shirik | hibatrick |
| 17:24.40 | Shirik | we should play chess tomorrow |
| 17:24.48 | batrick | like you would |
| 17:25.00 | Shirik | I will! |
| 17:25.08 | Shirik | I said the weekend |
| 17:25.14 | batrick | ok fine |
| 17:25.17 | mikma | sioraiocht: in city it usually is, the lightpollution covers the sky. but moving like 1km away from lights solves it |
| 17:25.28 | sioraiocht | mikma: ah |
| 17:28.21 | mikma | sioraiocht: aurora borealis usually tells that next day will be pretty cold =P |
| 17:29.33 | sioraiocht | cool |
| 17:30.46 | mikma | also, brrrrr, forecasts are saying -15c at weekend, fffffuuuuuuuuuu |
| 17:32.25 | sioraiocht | ahhah brilliant |
| 17:32.31 | sioraiocht | what do you do on such a weekend? |
| 17:33.03 | jnwhiteh | if I made PerfectRaid a project on Github, made it clear what needed to be done.. would anyone actually help |
| 17:33.09 | jnwhiteh | or is it better to just keep chugging along as I always have |
| 17:33.12 | mikma | i am planning on shitfacing myself! |
| 17:33.33 | mikma | after all |
| 17:33.48 | mikma | i just bought a bottle of real champagne |
| 17:34.12 | sioraiocht | hahaha, I love it when stereotpes turn out to be true |
| 17:34.18 | Fisker | am i ok haste ? |
| 17:35.03 | sioraiocht | mikma: will you shout perkele while doing this? |
| 17:35.12 | jnwhiteh | PERKELE |
| 17:35.15 | mikma | sioraiocht: it will be my first time drinking alcohol in 3 years... me and wife are celebrating the birth of the baby |
| 17:35.29 | sioraiocht | mikma: well, that's fantastic, then. Congrats ;) |
| 17:35.39 | mikma | yeah =) |
| 17:35.44 | mikma | and i have to practice |
| 17:35.45 | sioraiocht | okay actually interesting talk, now |
| 17:35.47 | sioraiocht | bbl |
| 17:36.11 | mikma | we are going on 3 day trip with the firm at the end of the month |
| 17:36.45 | mikma | that means lots and lots of free booze O_o |
| 17:40.12 | alestane | The MA RMV apparently no longer believes in answering the goddamned telephone. |
| 17:40.32 | jnwhiteh | ouch |
| 17:40.33 | jnwhiteh | http://failblog.org/2010/11/05/epic-fail-video-stick-your-landing-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+failblog+(The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+Failblog.ORG) |
| 17:40.37 | jnwhiteh | alestane: its friday |
| 17:40.41 | jnwhiteh | this is all part of the game. |
| 17:41.04 | Shirik | Honda trademarked Real Time |
| 17:41.06 | Fisker | i once killed a guy jnwhiteh |
| 17:41.18 | jnwhiteh | I once killed a Fisker guy |
| 17:41.34 | alestane | Apparently, they've delisted all their branch numbers or something, directing all calls to a central voice system which wants to do everything automatically. |
| 17:41.51 | haste | Fisker: no |
| 17:42.02 | Shadowed | alestane better living through technology |
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| 17:42.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 17:42.10 | Shadowed | just not better living for you |
| 17:42.46 | Fisker | oh nos haste |
| 17:42.48 | Fisker | i'm not ok :( |
| 17:42.54 | Fisker | infact i'm dying blargh |
| 17:43.17 | jnwhiteh | http://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications |
| 17:43.20 | jnwhiteh | feels so good to delete |
| 17:43.20 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:43.28 | jnwhiteh | so someone reported a crash in WoW to me. |
| 17:43.32 | jnwhiteh | I told them to report it to Blizzard |
| 17:43.36 | jnwhiteh | they disagree with me |
| 17:43.44 | jnwhiteh | I can't reproduce the issue, and there's no clear indication of why it's happening |
| 17:43.54 | jnwhiteh | "Excuse me, but why would I report this to Blizzard" |
| 17:43.55 | jnwhiteh | *stab* |
| 17:44.01 | alestane | If anything you can control crashes WoW, that's Blizzard's problem. |
| 17:44.06 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 17:44.50 | jnwhiteh | as I so kindly explained to him |
| 17:44.51 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 17:45.21 | Fisker | you got 5 minutes jnwhiteh |
| 17:45.32 | jnwhiteh | let me get undressed then |
| 17:45.38 | jnwhiteh | don't want to be clothed when you arrive |
| 17:46.38 | industrial | <@jnwhiteh> feels so good to delete |
| 17:46.45 | industrial | delete what? I see nothing there ... |
| 17:46.55 | jnwhiteh | any apps that had permission to my account =) |
| 17:46.59 | jnwhiteh | you clearly have none :P |
| 17:47.02 | industrial | \:D/ |
| 17:47.23 | industrial | \D:/ <-- happy haste |
| 17:48.20 | Dagmar | Now that I've looked at that I'm going to be writing another ugly email |
| 17:48.29 | Dagmar | I know I didn't authorize photobucket. |
| 17:48.43 | Dagmar | ...and I definitely didn't do it in the last 24 hours. |
| 17:48.51 | Dagmar | I swear we just can not trust those fuckers at Facebook |
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| 17:49.12 | industrial | moneymoneymoneymoney |
| 17:49.26 | industrial | tom doesn't like money :D? |
| 17:49.33 | industrial | or, me :( |
| 17:50.53 | Cide | helo!! |
| 17:53.00 | mikma | industrial: LOL :=O |
| 17:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | Why hello thar. |
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| 17:53.44 | Fisker | y helo thar Lopeppeppy |
| 17:54.37 | alestane | Later all. |
| 17:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn |
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| 17:58.22 | Flowyk | anyone using pspad? |
| 17:58.56 | Flowyk | with syntax highlight? |
| 17:59.07 | jnwhiteh | I'm not |
| 18:00.28 | nicoli_s | Dagmar:website applications seem to be opt out |
| 18:00.46 | nicoli_s | i know both pandora and rotten tomatoes showed my username and pic on their site without me giving them permission |
| 18:01.31 | Arrowmaster | this is why i have noscript and adblock setup to block all access to the facebook domains from third party sites |
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| 18:06.36 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18810_the-5-most-epic-one-man-rampages-in-history-war.html |
| 18:06.41 | MoonWitch|Mobile | do we have any networking guru's in the room? |
| 18:06.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Seerah: Just when I return to the chan :) |
| 18:07.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | tickles Seerah |
| 18:07.14 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:07.56 | MoonWitch|Mobile | basically i wondered if it's normal when you have a router (with dhcp enabled) that you have to reboot it once a month because your connection speeds drop to a crawl... |
| 18:08.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | if not -- then I might need to start saving up for a decent model (if so I currently have a DLink, which I thought to be a decent brand) |
| 18:08.35 | Flowyk | ~pil |
| 18:08.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 18:08.42 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: That's not proper behaviour. |
| 18:08.50 | MoonWitch|Mobile | was after so |
| 18:09.03 | haste | you might not want to ignore that issue as well MoonWitch|Mobile |
| 18:09.20 | Dagmar | You should be able to go to it's admin interface and reboot it there, which saves getting up |
| 18:09.25 | haste | my current router dies about every 8h now |
| 18:09.34 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I was baffled that when i (admittedly wrong) changed the UTP cables screwed something over, since my speeds dropped to 1/3rd of normal |
| 18:09.39 | Dagmar | ...and while you're looking at that, it *should* be able to check for a new version of it's own firmware. |
| 18:09.42 | haste | it just runs out of memory and starts dropping random packets |
| 18:09.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but after a reboot my wifi speeds doubled :P |
| 18:09.44 | Dagmar | A firmware upgrade *might* resolve the problem |
| 18:10.00 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Move it off channel 6. |
| 18:10.09 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch|Mobile: flash the router with alternative firmware if you can |
| 18:10.11 | MoonWitch|Mobile | checked, for that particular make there's no update |
| 18:10.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and it's on chan 9 :) |
| 18:10.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | half the neighborhood uses chan6 |
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| 18:10.39 | Arrowmaster | move to the highest channel you can |
| 18:10.40 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: IIRC 11 doesn't share any space with cordless phones or bluetooth devices |
| 18:10.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh |
| 18:10.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that I didnt know |
| 18:10.56 | MoonWitch|Mobile | hold on then :P |
| 18:10.59 | Arrowmaster | 9 and 6 still interfere with each other |
| 18:11.02 | Dagmar | 1 & 11 are alike in that they don't really share spectrum as much as the others |
| 18:11.19 | Dagmar | ...and the cordless phones will screw you. |
| 18:11.29 | Dagmar | My Nintendo Wii takes a dog's age to update itself on 6. |
| 18:11.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah the only options on 802.11g are 1, 6, and 11, anything else will interfere with 1 6 or 11 |
| 18:11.41 | Dagmar | On channel 11, the running Mario animation looks like he's on crack |
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| 18:12.22 | Dagmar | Not a very scientific metric, I'll admit, but definitely easy to see |
| 18:12.23 | Arrowmaster | but the problem of routers needing a reboot is because they are set to remember connections for way too long, almost all the alternative firmwares fix that issue by default |
| 18:12.43 | Arrowmaster | its something stupid on the linksys default like remember connections for 2 fucking weeks |
| 18:13.07 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 18:13.15 | Arrowmaster | which if you run any p2p software will fill up the connection log and kill the router till you reboot it |
| 18:13.17 | Dagmar | That's a crazy timeout |
| 18:13.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah its fucking stupid |
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| 18:13.37 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | so 13 isn't ok? |
| 18:13.54 | Arrowmaster | 13 should be ok if you can use it in your country |
| 18:13.55 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Oh! Hehe. I forgot you're in Germany or something. YEah 13 should be fine |
| 18:14.01 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | belgium |
| 18:14.14 | Dagmar | 11 is "as high as it goes" in the US because above that the spectrum's allocated to emergency services |
| 18:14.29 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | and arrow I checked, but wrt (i think the name is) can't run on this one |
| 18:14.49 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | it's a dlink di-524 |
| 18:15.10 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | there is a firmware update, but there's various hardware revisions, and for mine that update doesn't work |
| 18:16.22 | Dagmar | That thing already runs linux so in theory you could ssh into it and forcibly reconfigure the connection settings |
| 18:17.31 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | lemme check |
| 18:18.26 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | 22 and 23 are closed |
| 18:18.28 | Dagmar | It's a theory... looks like they don't have ssh enabled |
| 18:18.36 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | yeah they don't |
| 18:18.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i dont think they run ssh on any default firmwares |
| 18:18.50 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | which is bullshit |
| 18:19.01 | Dagmar | I agree |
| 18:19.41 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | wanna recommend one that allows me to set up one port as pass through (then I can drop the switch from the setup for digital television (it needs its own IP without restrictions by a router or I can't access the tv menu) |
| 18:20.14 | Dagmar | Euw. 2Mb flash in that model |
| 18:20.17 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | always used D-Link but am getting a little irked at them |
| 18:20.26 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | hence the no alternative firmware |
| 18:20.30 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:20.34 | Arrowmaster | i doubt youll find a home router that can do that |
| 18:20.35 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | apparently for an atheros chip you need 4mb |
| 18:20.39 | Dagmar | I could do it in 2Mb, but it'd be a f**king b*tch |
| 18:21.08 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | or one that would allow WRT or openWRT (those apparently do allow that setting) |
| 18:21.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Some have that built-in as "DMZ" mode |
| 18:21.43 | Arrowmaster | thats not what DMZ does on most |
| 18:22.11 | Arrowmaster | her isp is giving two IPs it sounds like, one for net access and one for the TV |
| 18:22.20 | Dagmar | This is why I say "some" |
| 18:22.53 | Dagmar | For most it's just the basic three protcols |
| 18:23.23 | Dagmar | Some newer units are a little more aware that VPN stuff doesn't always take place over TCP or UDP |
| 18:23.44 | Dagmar | VOIP in particular |
| 18:23.57 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | arrow basically yes. I get 2 IPs |
| 18:24.03 | Dagmar | VOIP doesn't like your firewall, and yer firewall doesn't like VOIP. ;) |
| 18:24.32 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I can get DigiTV just fine if the UTP is connected to the router, but I have no access to the digital menu itself (can't order films etc) |
| 18:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate. Peanut butter. |
| 18:25.00 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | which is why i am supposed to hook it up to a switch, have a cable going from switch to router first |
| 18:25.08 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Can't haz? |
| 18:25.41 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | so if 1 port could be just "switch" like and the rest normal router -- that'd be great, but alas I've never found out how to do it, let alone find a router that mentions that feature |
| 18:26.03 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Generally referred to as bridge mode |
| 18:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | I was kind of commenting on the exclusionary nature. "You got your peanut butter in my chocolate!" |
| 18:26.17 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | thank you :) now at least I know what it's called |
| 18:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | Obscure Peppy is high on cold meds, please to forgive and make me take a nap! |
| 18:26.33 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | google sucks if you don't know the correct term |
| 18:26.36 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Yeah, it makes no value judgements about packets, it just repeats what it sees between the segments |
| 18:26.44 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Lopeppeppy: you're high on cold meds? Lovely, stick around. |
| 18:27.13 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Those commercials were great... in the 70s. |
| 18:27.25 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | this entire "I want a router with x features" is gonna cost me a lot huh? |
| 18:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Lunessa. :P |
| 18:27.39 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 18:27.48 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | maybe i should check for businesses gone bancrupt and purchase their routers :P |
| 18:27.53 | Lunessa | nibbles on Lopeppeppy experimentallt. |
| 18:27.55 | Dagmar | Worst-case scenario you might wind up paying full retail for say, a WRT54-GL |
| 18:28.01 | Lunessa | experimentally. |
| 18:28.15 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | cisco? |
| 18:28.23 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | (trying to locate brand) |
| 18:28.26 | Lunessa | Linksys |
| 18:28.39 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Probably a lot easier to just find someone selling a really small PC with at least two NICs (or space to install them) |
| 18:28.46 | Dagmar | ...rather than spend the money on Cisco gear |
| 18:29.01 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: WRT54GL wont get the ability to use two IPs though |
| 18:29.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: What makes you think that? |
| 18:29.17 | Arrowmaster | because i know those routers well |
| 18:29.28 | Dagmar | Then you're not trying hard enough |
| 18:29.49 | Dagmar | I've still got one of them around here somewhere. I never had it give me any crap about anything I told it to do |
| 18:29.56 | Dagmar | They run Linux. |
| 18:30.03 | Dagmar | Hence, the "L" designator. |
| 18:30.24 | Arrowmaster | but hardware wise theyve only got 2 nics, one of which is the switch part |
| 18:30.35 | Dagmar | The only reason I'm not still using it is because I got that little IBM kiosky machine with the built in screen (that EVENTUALLY I'll figure out what's fucking wrong with the ATI chipset for) |
| 18:31.06 | Lunessa | Are you looking to segment your network, or have two separate lines managed by one box? There's hardware for doing both, some are more expensive/better quality than others. |
| 18:31.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: DHCP proxy support is suprisingly noncomplex |
| 18:31.35 | Dagmar | ...and you can make netfilter handle numbered protocols with just a bit of poking at it |
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| 18:32.12 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Lunessa - due to the restrictions on our digital tv setup I am currently forced to use a switch (to get the menu from the tv towork) with after that a router for the 3 pc's in the house. |
| 18:32.25 | Dagmar | Being able to shove three NICs into a microATX box or something would be much easier tho |
| 18:32.36 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | But the router gets clogged up frequently, and that makes me feel it will start to die soonish. |
| 18:32.42 | Lunessa | Espeically if you have an old computer doing nothing. |
| 18:32.57 | Dagmar | You don't even really have to care how fast the CPU is |
| 18:33.12 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Sadly, I tossed my old machine and I am not permitted to put another machine into 24/7 running mode :( |
| 18:33.14 | Dagmar | Like, if the thing has over 200Mhz of CPU, you've got plenny |
| 18:33.16 | Lunessa | Yeah, 'cause it'll be way faster than any line coming into the house. |
| 18:34.09 | Dagmar | I've got all of CHina, Japan, and Korea, most of Russia, and probably half of the rest of Europe firewalled out here. |
| 18:34.24 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | so I wondered what people would advise me to get -- router wise. WHile I may not be able to find one with 1 port bridged mode on board, if I get one that supports alternative firmwares I could be happy :) |
| 18:34.31 | Dagmar | 1.6Ghz CPU and it can actually keep up at 10base-T wire speed |
| 18:34.38 | Dagmar | ...with *that* large of a set of firewall rules |
| 18:34.59 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I had a 2.4GHz one, with 2GB RAM, just needed a psu :P |
| 18:35.14 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | but with the move I had to toss a lot of stuff, that pc was one of the things I threw out |
| 18:35.27 | Dagmar | I have some Opteron 246's here and a boatload of registered RAM |
| 18:35.29 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | of all the things I considered doing with it, the router wasn't one of em :( |
| 18:35.39 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | (so stupid of me too) |
| 18:35.41 | Dagmar | A shame there's no sane way to get mohterboards that use that in a cost-effective manner |
| 18:35.59 | Dagmar | (when I say "some" I mean "more than a dozen") |
| 18:36.09 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | would a WRTSL54GS be suitable as well (it has a storage link and would thus allow me to turn off my desktop at times) |
| 18:36.36 | Arrowmaster | check dd-wrt.com |
| 18:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | Old computers doing nothing... I resemble that remark. |
| 18:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I'm told that my left elbow is very well-seasoned this time of year. |
| 18:37.22 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: rawr. |
| 18:38.27 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | dd-wrt supports it fully :) |
| 18:38.29 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | yay |
| 18:38.35 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | now onto find this mysterious device |
| 18:42.11 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | see why this room is an essential part of any job in IT? |
| 18:42.32 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I can literally ask anything in here and usually i get some form of response :) You guys (and girls) are indeed amazing |
| 18:42.35 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | thank you :) |
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| 18:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, once upon a time the grand boss questioned me lurking in here on work hours, and then I asked a question that our IT couldn't fix... and bam. No more questions from him! |
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| 18:45.56 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I agree, IRC should be allowed |
| 18:45.57 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | :) |
| 18:46.19 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | elusive ... that's what this thing is ... |
| 18:46.19 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Belgian stores SUCK |
| 18:47.34 | syrae | this channel is failing on so many levels to be a complete time sink with completely useless conversation 100% of the time. |
| 18:47.50 | Lopeppeppy | I know, sucks don't it, syrae? |
| 18:47.53 | syrae | srsly |
| 18:49.17 | Lunessa | Seriously. We suck. At being useless. |
| 18:51.34 | Flowyk | if true and true and true then return true |
| 18:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | Glad you added that last phrase, Lunessa! |
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| 18:52.20 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I could have just left you hanging and let you fill in the blanks. |
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| 18:53.56 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | syrae: here I was working on the right mood in this chan, you had to go and thread on my toes :( |
| 18:54.21 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, I didn't know you cared, Lunessa. |
| 18:54.22 | syrae | MoonWitch|Mobil1: aw... I'm sorry |
| 18:55.33 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | sobs on Seerahs shoulder |
| 18:55.53 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | syrae: it's ok, we'll forgive you and forgo execution :) |
| 18:56.17 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | hates incomplete info on vendor pages, namely revisions matter. |
| 18:56.54 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 18:58.36 | syrae | OH... one of the addons I contribute to is now ACTUALLY on an addon site. You all should download it because it's awesome. http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/mountthis.aspx |
| 18:59.09 | Flowyk | can anyone help me with 3 booleans as condition? |
| 18:59.22 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | true or false -- all three :) |
| 18:59.45 | Flowyk | to get true the first must be true |
| 19:00.02 | Flowyk | the second will be false and no matter what is third |
| 19:00.03 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | if condition1 == true then |
| 19:00.13 | Flowyk | or the second is true then third cant be true |
| 19:00.25 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | well then you can ignore 2nd and 3rd if the first has got to be true |
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| 19:00.30 | nevcairiel | sounds like you need compsci 101 |
| 19:00.30 | Ackis | haha I think my account that posted lemon party of the wow forums is unbanned!!!! |
| 19:00.44 | Flowyk | compsci? |
| 19:00.52 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | and English 101 |
| 19:01.17 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | CompSci - Computer Science |
| 19:01.25 | durcyn | mikma: WHAT DID YOU DO |
| 19:01.43 | Dagmar | Ackis: Speaking of which... I have a URL for you |
| 19:01.56 | nevcairiel | oh my, that new design is even worse |
| 19:02.19 | Flowyk | there would be "not" one and and on or |
| 19:02.27 | durcyn | the sidebar was pointless, but that javascript at the top already broke |
| 19:02.34 | Flowyk | one "and" and one "or" |
| 19:03.18 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Dagmar: lol |
| 19:05.10 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | if (cond1 == true and cond2 ~= true) or (cond1==true and cond2==true and cond3 ~= true) then ? |
| 19:05.16 | Dagmar | Ackis: http://work.failblog.org/2010/11/02/job-lols-that-sounds-like-my-kind-of-party-wait/ |
| 19:05.16 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I'm just guessing here btw |
| 19:05.31 | Dagmar | Ackis: That is just so evil words cannot express |
| 19:05.40 | durcyn | stop guessing |
| 19:05.48 | syrae | Dagmar: it's an amazing troll |
| 19:05.56 | syrae | I saw it on Reddit a bit back |
| 19:06.12 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Is there a reason we hate our CPU cycles? |
| 19:06.27 | Dagmar | ...and WTF is with the ~= true |
| 19:06.32 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | dagmar - I'm only putting into words what flowy was asking |
| 19:06.37 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | == false is just the same |
| 19:06.38 | Dagmar | Oh, okay |
| 19:06.43 | Flowyk | MoonWitch|Mobil1 thats sollution but can you do it in one line? |
| 19:06.46 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | but he specified NOT true :P |
| 19:06.48 | Flowyk | I think its possible |
| 19:07.10 | Dagmar | Is there some reason other than insanity that we're comparing things to true? |
| 19:07.24 | Lunessa | I was about to ask... |
| 19:07.40 | Flowyk | "we" means me or lua? |
| 19:07.42 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | personally I wouldn't do it in one line |
| 19:07.49 | Dagmar | Maybe the system has tri-state booleans? |
| 19:08.07 | Flowyk | MoonWitch|Mobil1 why? |
| 19:08.08 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | because according to you the first cond has got to be true for anything to work so there's your first line |
| 19:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so sorry, please forgive me, who do I pray to, to straighten out this problem... *boingo boingo* |
| 19:08.23 | durcyn | we're obviously comparing quantum states here |
| 19:08.42 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | Flowyk: because otherwise you end up with a clusterfuck as first line |
| 19:08.48 | Dagmar | Flowyk: Start over with less crazy and we'll try again |
| 19:09.10 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | there's no point in checking for a crapload of conditions if the first requirement may end up being not met |
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| 19:09.35 | durcyn | and you're or'ing the whole thing, so it reduces to if cond1 or cond2 or cond3 then |
| 19:09.36 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I'd do if cond1 == false then return elseif cond2 ... and take it from there end end |
| 19:09.41 | Dagmar | Luckily if you code correctly, most languages will shortcut the lot |
| 19:09.49 | Flowyk | but if the second is true we got to evaluate the first and second again ... |
| 19:10.09 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | uhm |
| 19:10.11 | durcyn | go steal a logic textbook and come back in a week |
| 19:10.24 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | if the second is true, you have to eval the second one again? WTF? |
| 19:10.26 | Dagmar | Whatever happened to using (not cond1) instead of freaking (cond1 == false) |
| 19:10.34 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | good point |
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| 19:10.49 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I happened? |
| 19:10.50 | Flowyk | if second is false ... |
| 19:10.55 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | can't code worth shit |
| 19:11.01 | Dagmar | You should never have to do anything like == true or == false unless you're coding in BASIC or something |
| 19:11.07 | Mikk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5RaZupoO4#t=0m55s ORCS WITH BIG EFFING CHAIN GUNS!!11 |
| 19:11.22 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | true |
| 19:11.23 | durcyn | mikma: orcs or, y'know.. orks? |
| 19:11.54 | durcyn | er Mikk, fucking tab |
| 19:11.54 | Mikk | WHO CARES IT HAS A BIG EFFING CHAIN GUN!! :D |
| 19:12.02 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | strangely Dagmar I've never used == true/false >.< but for some inane reason I kept on typing that here :P |
| 19:12.08 | durcyn | one of you two should change your name imo |
| 19:12.20 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: I blame the confusing manner of the initial question |
| 19:12.35 | Mikk | the guy whose name appears in the fewest addons changes |
| 19:12.38 | Mikk | waves bye to mikma |
| 19:12.42 | Dagmar | I'm not even touching it without a venn diagram and a stout safety line |
| 19:12.44 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I'm still at if (cond2) then check cond2 again |
| 19:13.12 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Yeah, because cond2 might have changed in the last few nanonseconds. :) |
| 19:13.18 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | yeah |
| 19:13.21 | Dagmar | It could be a quantum bool |
| 19:13.24 | Mikk | lmao |
| 19:13.26 | Mikk | quantum bool |
| 19:13.36 | Mikk | still laughing :D |
| 19:13.37 | Dagmar | YOU LAUGH but just give things another ten years |
| 19:13.42 | Flowyk | true, false = true |
| 19:13.47 | Flowyk | false, true = true |
| 19:13.52 | Mikk | Whatever happened to "fuzzy logic" anyway |
| 19:13.52 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | would be even more fun if it were ... local cond2 == true ... if (cond2) then check cond2 end |
| 19:13.53 | Flowyk | false, false = true |
| 19:14.03 | Mikk | The New Technology that would give us cleaner clothes and whatnot |
| 19:14.04 | Dagmar | Flowyk: that's called XOR, dude. |
| 19:14.10 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: have you seen the longer trailer? |
| 19:14.14 | Mikk | no |
| 19:14.18 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | ya know that's the ONE thing I did learn in school |
| 19:14.20 | Flowyk | Dagmar is ther XOR in lua? |
| 19:14.22 | Arrowmaster | its on apple.com |
| 19:14.25 | Dagmar | THe only thing you're missing is true, true = false |
| 19:14.37 | Mikk | yeah fuck that one because it wants me to install crappy plugins |
| 19:14.41 | Dagmar | I'm sure it's in there somewhere |
| 19:14.51 | Mikk | my computer is enough of a mess :P |
| 19:14.54 | Dagmar | XOR is one of those things that's in CPU instruction sets, so devs might as well put it in their languages |
| 19:15.47 | cbreak | xor is important for quite a few algorithms |
| 19:15.53 | Flowyk | ok there is no XOR in lua? |
| 19:15.57 | cbreak | no |
| 19:16.00 | Mikk | there isnt? |
| 19:16.03 | cbreak | xor is done with integers |
| 19:16.06 | Mikk | nothing in bitlib? |
| 19:16.12 | cbreak | lua has no integers |
| 19:16.15 | Flowyk | then the sollution will be two conditions |
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| 19:16.19 | cbreak | you will have to use an external library |
| 19:16.21 | Mikk | oh, logical xor |
| 19:16.21 | Mikk | no |
| 19:17.17 | Mikk | if bool = false xor true |
| 19:17.24 | Mikk | dances on your remaining braincells |
| 19:17.29 | Dagmar | Wow. Lua jsut took a header in my eyes |
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| 19:17.39 | Flowyk | Mikk what is better? bool = false or "not bool" ? |
| 19:17.45 | Mikk | "not bool" |
| 19:17.45 | Dagmar | not bool |
| 19:17.50 | Mikk | because nil is == false too |
| 19:18.03 | Mikk | and WoW APIs in particular like to return nil instead of false |
| 19:18.07 | Flowyk | how can be nil false? |
| 19:18.12 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | 0 |
| 19:18.15 | Mikk | 0 is true |
| 19:18.15 | Cide | www |
| 19:18.16 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: here full trailer with no stupid quicktime crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnF4SpS9gUw&hd=1 |
| 19:18.16 | Cide | lua |
| 19:18.17 | Dagmar | Because it is false, but it's not exactly false. ;) |
| 19:18.17 | Flowyk | lua> false == nil |
| 19:18.18 | lua_bot | Flowyk: false |
| 19:18.18 | Cide | org |
| 19:18.19 | Cide | pil |
| 19:18.22 | Cide | fil in the blanks |
| 19:18.23 | Maldivia | logical xor: a ~= b' |
| 19:18.28 | Cide | fill in the blanks* |
| 19:18.38 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | thank God for Cide |
| 19:18.39 | durcyn | Cide: http://www.lua.org/pil/ DO I WIN A COOKIE? |
| 19:18.46 | Mikk | Maldivia: nop that's not it, that's unequality |
| 19:18.46 | Cide | no |
| 19:18.50 | Cide | you added http:// |
| 19:18.54 | Cide | that wasn't a blank |
| 19:18.56 | durcyn | tough shit, i already have a cookie |
| 19:18.58 | Mikk | haha |
| 19:18.59 | Flowyk | Cide what means "blanks" |
| 19:19.09 | Cide | it means you should stop trolling and start reading |
| 19:19.15 | Mikk | Flowyk: observe: |
| 19:19.15 | Maldivia | Mikk: well, for booleans, it's the same thing |
| 19:19.20 | Flowyk | lua> false == nil |
| 19:19.20 | lua_bot | Flowyk: false |
| 19:19.23 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I think Cide just exploded |
| 19:19.24 | Flowyk | false is not nil! |
| 19:19.25 | Mikk | lua> if not false then print("uhu") end |
| 19:19.25 | lua_bot | Mikk: uhu |
| 19:19.26 | Flowyk | its in lua! |
| 19:19.29 | Mikk | lua> if not nil then print("uhu") end |
| 19:19.30 | lua_bot | Mikk: uhu |
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| 19:19.44 | Flowyk | false is boolean with true |
| 19:19.50 | Flowyk | nil is nil ... |
| 19:19.52 | Dagmar | faints |
| 19:19.54 | Mikk | yeah and they're both logically false |
| 19:19.56 | Mikk | deal with it |
| 19:19.58 | Cide | and your mom should never have had kids |
| 19:19.58 | Mikk | same in lots of languages |
| 19:20.14 | Cide | doesn't change what happens |
| 19:20.15 | Dagmar | http://www.lua.org/pil/2.2.html |
| 19:20.18 | Mikk | lua> if 12345 then print("ohai i'm logically true") end |
| 19:20.18 | lua_bot | Mikk: ohai i'm logically true |
| 19:20.23 | Mikk | lua> if true then print("ohai i'm logically true") end |
| 19:20.23 | lua_bot | Mikk: ohai i'm logically true |
| 19:20.28 | Mikk | lua> if {} then print("ohai i'm logically true") end |
| 19:20.28 | lua_bot | Mikk: ohai i'm logically true |
| 19:20.32 | Cide | why do you even bother |
| 19:20.38 | Flowyk | ok but we are talking about 201751 Mikk : because nil is == false too |
| 19:20.47 | Mikk | no, nil is not == false |
| 19:20.54 | Mikk | it's false |
| 19:20.56 | Mikk | but it's not == false |
| 19:21.20 | Dagmar | == is "exactly equals to " in grade-school terms. |
| 19:21.33 | Mikk | cide: i dunno, i keep praying i'll become @Mikk someday and be able to take punitive measures |
| 19:21.36 | Cide | that's too advanced for our dear Flowyk |
| 19:21.41 | Dagmar | Do not use == type tests with bools unless you HATE CLOCKCYCLES |
| 19:21.49 | Mikk | wut |
| 19:22.02 | Mikk | don't use them because it's a stupid idea that won't do what you think |
| 19:22.03 | Mikk | ^ correct |
| 19:22.04 | Flowyk | because nil is == false too |
| 19:22.14 | Cide | you have to drop down to pre-school level |
| 19:22.18 | Mikk | lua> if nil == false then print("orly") end |
| 19:22.18 | lua_bot | Mikk: No output |
| 19:22.21 | Cide | observe |
| 19:22.25 | Cide | dear Flowyk |
| 19:22.32 | Flowyk | Mikk said it |
| 19:22.34 | Flowyk | because nil is == false too |
| 19:22.43 | Mikk | well my bad then |
| 19:22.45 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 19:22.46 | Cide | nil is not false but they are friends so treat them the same way ok? |
| 19:22.50 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | lua> if nil == true then print ("nil == true") end |
| 19:22.51 | lua_bot | MoonWitch|Mobil1: No output |
| 19:22.53 | Dagmar | Cide++ |
| 19:22.59 | Mikk | ~Cide++ |
| 19:23.03 | Mikk | ~Flowyk-- |
| 19:23.20 | Mikk | ~Fisker-- |
| 19:23.35 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | I am so going to sit in a room in quiet to undo this damn confusion |
| 19:23.40 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.44 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | also .. the ++? |
| 19:23.49 | Mikk | karma |
| 19:23.52 | Mikk | ~karma Cide |
| 19:23.52 | purl | cide has karma of 17 |
| 19:23.54 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | ah |
| 19:24.00 | Mikk | ~karma Fisker |
| 19:24.00 | purl | fisker has karma of 15 |
| 19:24.02 | Mikk | ... |
| 19:24.05 | Mikk | THAT IS NOT RIGHT |
| 19:24.07 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | ~karma MoonWitch |
| 19:24.07 | purl | moonwitch has neutral karma |
| 19:24.14 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | yay :) I am not evil |
| 19:24.15 | Fisker | it very much is Mikk |
| 19:24.17 | durcyn | fisker's karma is all pure spite though |
| 19:24.21 | Maldivia | ~karma chameleon |
| 19:24.21 | purl | chameleon has karma of 1 |
| 19:24.22 | Fisker | immvp |
| 19:24.30 | syrae | ... |
| 19:24.33 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | ~karma Flowyk |
| 19:24.33 | purl | flowyk has karma of -1 |
| 19:24.38 | Lunessa | Flowyk: nil, in most cases means, 'no value' which is not the same as false, but can do in many cases. |
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| 19:24.56 | Cide | guys |
| 19:24.58 | Mikk | frustrated |
| 19:25.00 | Cide | I think my definition said it all |
| 19:25.05 | Cide | just stick with it guys! |
| 19:25.06 | Mikk | hey fisker can you join #wowpedia for a sec please |
| 19:25.22 | Lunessa | ~cide++ |
| 19:25.23 | Dagmar | Name++ is a slangy way to say "I concur with your opinions, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter" |
| 19:25.26 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | nil is the absence of a boolean value ... however in the wow api it's generally seen as false as well. |
| 19:25.38 | Dagmar | ...because it's definitely not true |
| 19:25.41 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | as far as I understand it that is. |
| 19:25.55 | Dagmar | Only true is true. |
| 19:26.23 | syrae | the WoW API subscribes to "truthiness" |
| 19:26.27 | mikma | my nick doesn't need any changes. it's perfect. stop assing around |
| 19:26.28 | Dagmar | ...and if Shirik were here he could point us to the wikipedia page where people are foolishly trying to argue whether false or true is a more fundamental atom of logic |
| 19:26.39 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | ~Dagmar++ |
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| 19:26.54 | Dagmar | I'm not saying it's a _bad_ thing that people do that, but it's definitely specialized knowledge |
| 19:27.12 | MoonWitch|Mobil1 | anyhow, battery's about to die I gotta get back upstairs :) |
| 19:27.34 | Flowyk | 201824 Maldivia : logical xor: a ~= b' |
| 19:27.40 | Flowyk | it dont work in lua :/ |
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| 19:28.00 | Mikk | damn, i was just out-assholed by sky2042 |
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| 19:29.19 | Dagmar | Flowyk: So just write a function called xor() that takes two arguments. |
| 19:29.30 | Dagmar | This is not hte sort of thing you want to write on one line when ther'es a more readable way to say it |
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| 19:29.45 | Flowyk | I want it fast |
| 19:29.53 | Dagmar | So don't use any =='s in it. |
| 19:29.53 | Flowyk | dont need it to be readable |
| 19:30.01 | Flowyk | never come back to my addons |
| 19:30.06 | Flowyk | better to make new |
| 19:30.12 | syrae | ... |
| 19:30.24 | syrae | Remind me to never use one of your addons |
| 19:30.28 | Dagmar | breaks out the deodorizing spray to get the stink of noob out of the air |
| 19:30.39 | Flowyk | yes little revision is not forbidden x) |
| 19:31.03 | Maldivia | Flowyk: it works fine in lua... if you want nil checks, do (a or false) ~= (b or false) |
| 19:31.43 | Flowyk | Maldivia ok I dont get what is ' ... moment |
| 19:31.57 | syrae | Flowyk: it's "not" |
| 19:32.00 | Dagmar | That's because ' isn't lua |
| 19:32.13 | Dagmar | It's a form of logic notation IIRC |
| 19:32.27 | Flowyk | lua> foo = function(arg1,arg2) return arg1 ~= (not arg2); end; return foo(true,true), foo(true,false), foo(false,true), foo(false,false) |
| 19:32.27 | lua_bot | Flowyk: true, false, false, true |
| 19:32.40 | Flowyk | a ~= b' |
| 19:32.53 | Maldivia | on a Danish keyboard ' is next to enter |
| 19:32.56 | Dagmar | Looks sane as it's going to get to me |
| 19:33.04 | batrick | wtf is going on |
| 19:33.15 | Dagmar | batrick: People are abusing truth |
| 19:33.16 | batrick | that is not exclusive or |
| 19:33.33 | Maldivia | more like inverse xor |
| 19:33.35 | Dagmar | batrick: Okay so one out of the four possible states is wrong, but it's close enough for what this guy is doing. ;) |
| 19:33.39 | Mikk | if (a or b) and not (a and b) then print("xor!") end |
| 19:34.01 | nevcairiel | a ~= b is perfect xor, no need to do it complicated |
| 19:34.10 | nevcairiel | might want to booleanize them before, though :p |
| 19:34.15 | Mikk | quite |
| 19:34.19 | Cide | (not not a) ~= (not not b) ???? |
| 19:34.25 | nevcairiel | that would work |
| 19:34.29 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: You did see his original question, right? |
| 19:34.30 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.31 | Mikk | yes but you can nuke one "not" |
| 19:34.38 | nevcairiel | true |
| 19:34.42 | Cide | that too |
| 19:34.50 | batrick | cide's is best |
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| 19:35.01 | Dagmar | It needs more recursion. |
| 19:35.03 | Maldivia | lua> function xor(a,b) return (a or false) ~= (b or false) end print(xor(false,false),xor(false,true),xor(true,false),xor(true,true),xor(nil,false),xor(nil,true),xor(nil,nil)) |
| 19:35.03 | lua_bot | Maldivia: false, true, true, false, false, true, false |
| 19:35.10 | Mikk | (not a)==(not not b) |
| 19:35.12 | Mikk | cackles |
| 19:35.43 | Flowyk | Maldivia you got 2 true and 2 false |
| 19:35.48 | Dagmar | Maldivia wins |
| 19:36.02 | Flowyk | I need 3:1 |
| 19:36.05 | Cide | (not a) ~= (not b) is probably more clear and equivalent |
| 19:36.09 | Mikk | quite ;) |
| 19:36.22 | Cide | what you need isn't what matters when one is defining xor |
| 19:36.34 | Maldivia | Flowyk: what I wrote is an xor - what you need is not xor then |
| 19:36.39 | Dagmar | Flowyk: Okay so try explaining the issue to us again in a simple sentence? |
| 19:36.46 | nevcairiel | I still wonder why you guys bother |
| 19:36.50 | Flowyk | I have 2 args |
| 19:36.50 | MoonWit81 | massive confusion |
| 19:36.51 | Cide | me too |
| 19:36.54 | nevcairiel | send him a book about boolean algebra and be done with it |
| 19:37.03 | Flowyk | need to get true in 3 cases and false in one |
| 19:37.11 | Dagmar | Any particular reason? |
| 19:37.14 | Mikk | okay |
| 19:37.14 | Dagmar | Quotas perhaps? |
| 19:37.16 | nevcairiel | truth table, figure it out |
| 19:37.22 | Mikk | which is the case where you want false? |
| 19:37.42 | Maldivia | so true in one case, false in all other... check directly for the truth case... done! |
| 19:37.50 | Mikk | 0,0=0 0,1=1 1,0=1 1,1=1 <- that's logical "or" |
| 19:37.53 | Maldivia | sorry, the other way around |
| 19:37.56 | Flowyk | nevcairiel easier will be the first moon sollution (true) or (false and true) |
| 19:38.04 | Cide | the first moon solution guys |
| 19:38.05 | Cide | figur eit out |
| 19:38.08 | Cide | figure it out |
| 19:38.10 | Dagmar | howls |
| 19:38.11 | Mikk | moons the solution |
| 19:38.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:38.30 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18760_6-things-everyone-knows-about-women-that-arent-true.html |
| 19:38.36 | durcyn | give the kid a break, it's hard to edit code that's written in crayon |
| 19:38.49 | Maldivia | durcyn: Crayon physics! |
| 19:39.10 | nevcairiel | And when i had boolean algebra in first semester at university, i thought "why do they teach us this stuff, its so logical (ha!)", but i guess some people just need that course :P |
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| 19:39.29 | Cide | Kraps |
| 19:39.37 | Kraps | Cide |
| 19:39.40 | Kraftman | is there an addon that just lists what each key id bound to? |
| 19:39.48 | Cide | 6 untrue things people know about women, or 6 things people thought was true about women but aren't |
| 19:39.52 | Kraftman | i have some keys directly bound to macro's and ive forgotten which |
| 19:40.05 | durcyn | Kraftman: cat bindings-cache.txt |
| 19:40.08 | nevcairiel | Kraftman: read your bindings file |
| 19:40.12 | nevcairiel | that |
| 19:40.12 | Kraftman | thanks :) |
| 19:40.13 | nevcairiel | ^ |
| 19:40.27 | Mikk | itym "type", not "cat" |
| 19:40.29 | Mikk | hth, hand, ymmv |
| 19:40.33 | Kraps | Cide: what |
| 19:40.40 | Cide | the title is ambiguous :P |
| 19:40.40 | Kraps | the latter i guess |
| 19:40.41 | nevcairiel | Mikk: what |
| 19:40.50 | Maldivia | copy bindings-cache.txt con: |
| 19:40.51 | Maldivia | :) |
| 19:41.00 | durcyn | windows users are hilarious |
| 19:41.18 | Cide | and linux users are hypocritical |
| 19:41.24 | Mikk | ~cide++ |
| 19:41.35 | Cide | hot damn I'm on a roll |
| 19:41.53 | Kraps | they are? |
| 19:42.03 | Mikk | shoots kraps |
| 19:42.04 | Mikk | yes they are |
| 19:42.11 | Mikk | ^ see what i did there? |
| 19:42.17 | Kraps | what |
| 19:42.52 | Mikk | well if i'm shooting craps, they're by definition on a roll |
| 19:43.21 | Mikk | this audience sucks |
| 19:43.39 | olafski | I saw it =( |
| 19:44.13 | Cide | that's actually pretty funny Mikk |
| 19:44.14 | olafski | if anyone says something negative about linux users I'll agree though |
| 19:44.38 | Maldivia | Mikk: no, we're (well, the majority) are just smart enough to not find it funny |
| 19:44.41 | Kraps | Mikk: its just that you didnt answer my question |
| 19:44.51 | olafski | "we're are just smart enough" eh |
| 19:44.56 | Kraps | also what Maldivia said :p |
| 19:45.04 | Cide | also what olafski said :P |
| 19:45.05 | olafski | silly linux users |
| 19:45.06 | Flowyk | !!! |
| 19:45.10 | Lunessa | From the linked Cracked.com article: "Men will line up to buy a large-caliber gunshot to the face as long as there's a scantily clad woman in a submissive pose somewhere telling them how awesome it's going to be." |
| 19:45.12 | Mikk | s/$/!!/ |
| 19:45.14 | Flowyk | arg1 and (not arg2 or not arg3) |
| 19:45.17 | olafski | guess they don't have a spelling checker in that outdated OS |
| 19:45.25 | olafski | nor a grammar checker |
| 19:46.54 | Maldivia | olafski: meeh s/[()]// :P |
| 19:47.19 | Maldivia | g |
| 19:47.26 | olafski | yeah I'm not going to bother wondering what that means.. us normal people don't read that stuff! |
| 19:47.30 | olafski | bbl =) |
| 19:52.55 | MoonWitch | nevcairiel: in regards to why they teach that course? for folks like me, who do have issues with it |
| 19:53.39 | industrial | what course |
| 19:53.55 | MoonWitch | boolean algebra |
| 19:54.45 | industrial | ah k |
| 19:55.03 | nevcairiel | It actually was part of our discrete mathematics course, no extra course |
| 19:55.59 | MoonWitch | I just lack the ability to think in logical terms like you guys can |
| 19:58.52 | foxlit | I land in ironforge... and get "Discovered: The Great Forge" |
| 19:59.07 | foxlit | Total time played on this character: 172 days. |
| 19:59.18 | durcyn | it was reset in 4.0 you see |
| 19:59.33 | MoonWitch | nev? Is there like an ebook I could "find" on boolean algebra? |
| 19:59.48 | nevcairiel | its really not that complicated |
| 19:59.53 | nevcairiel | wikipedia probably has what you need |
| 19:59.53 | MoonWitch | (I am getting painfully tired so I have blurred vision, makes nightmare on elmstreet more cool) |
| 20:00.03 | Kraps | yay new layout http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 20:02.19 | MoonWitch | nev : reading now :) |
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| 20:05.10 | Cide | indent on hover for the patch tabs? |
| 20:05.54 | Cide | that so doesn't fit! |
| 20:06.21 | nevcairiel | should rather get soem subtle glow |
| 20:06.29 | Fi5ker | Cide can i pretend to like you? |
| 20:07.04 | nevcairiel | lol, i clicked the "Whats new" link and got "This forum requires that you wait 60 seconds between searches. Please try again in 53 seconds." |
| 20:07.08 | nevcairiel | but that was my first click! |
| 20:07.16 | Cide | nevcairiel: yeah, glow would be better |
| 20:07.20 | Cide | Fi5ker: certainly |
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| 20:07.35 | Cide | Bibi: fix it! |
| 20:07.44 | nevcairiel | heh, the whole top menu does not work at all |
| 20:07.48 | nevcairiel | except the home button |
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| 20:08.14 | nevcairiel | oh now i get something, my 60 seconds must be up :P |
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| 20:11.35 | Kraps | http://gizmodo.com/5682758/the-fascinating-story-of-the-twins-who-share-brains-thoughts-and-senses |
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| 20:16.59 | Zyn | "what are you thinking about?" |
| 20:17.17 | Kraps | they dont even have to ask Zyn |
| 20:20.21 | nevcairiel | its /nickserv group, not /nick group |
| 20:20.22 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 20:26.00 | group | dammit |
| 20:26.05 | syrae | heh |
| 20:34.18 | MoonWitch|AFK | Yeah, nevcairiel, I think before I start working with that entire boolean thing, I may wanna get back to basics a little more (Like I said it always confuses me to no end) |
| 20:34.28 | MoonWitch|AFK | but i have pizza :) |
| 20:35.03 | Fi5ker | i once killed a guy MoonWitch|AFK |
| 20:35.24 | MoonWitch|AFK | i once blew a guy ... up |
| 20:39.25 | Ackis | I don't know if this is cruel or not, but I"ve been asked to review a job description for a job that I want but I'm not qualified for |
| 20:39.37 | MoonWitch|AFK | very cruel |
| 20:40.53 | MoonWitch|AFK | extremely cruel |
| 20:41.05 | MoonWitch|AFK | I would edit the job interview to look totally ridiculous |
| 20:41.15 | Ackis | the job classification is highlighted so it might also be a hint |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | edit the description so you qualify :D |
| 20:41.51 | Ackis | it requires medical knowledge (kind of) |
| 20:41.55 | Ackis | aka nursing degree |
| 20:42.08 | Ackis | I wonder, would I look hot in a nurses outfit? |
| 20:42.11 | nicoli_s | Ackis:just print one out online |
| 20:42.16 | MoonWitch|AFK | yeah you would :) |
| 20:42.38 | Ackis | lol nicoli_s |
| 20:42.42 | Ackis | and ty MoonWitch|AFK |
| 20:43.10 | MoonWitch|AFK | I am going for a smoke |
| 20:43.29 | MoonWitch|AFK | Ackis : the key is to be confident :) |
| 20:46.35 | nevcairiel | isnt a nurses outfit just scrubs in a different color .. :d |
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| 20:48.18 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: many a normal nurses outfit, but thats not what youll find in a costume store |
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| 21:08.46 | foxlit | 1v1 is weird |
| 21:09.04 | foxlit | 17 zerg wins, 9 terran, 7 protoss |
| 21:20.04 | Lulia | rawr, I wish there were an option to set the default text color of comments for AddOns to which you are an author :P |
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| 21:25.51 | Lulia | Hi, Cairenn |
| 21:25.55 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:26.00 | Lulia | How are you? |
| 21:26.05 | Cairenn | vetical |
| 21:26.07 | Cairenn | yourself? |
| 21:26.31 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 21:26.36 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch |
| 21:26.40 | MoonWitch | is going to bed |
| 21:26.44 | Lulia | You're vetical? |
| 21:26.45 | Cairenn | good! |
| 21:27.10 | Cairenn | veRtical* |
| 21:27.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:28.20 | Lulia | :P |
| 21:28.29 | Lulia | I'm okay, still looking for a job and such |
| 21:28.48 | Lulia | Adding more on to my AddOn, about to add another 2k words to my NaNoWriMo entry |
| 21:29.09 | cralor | â/join ##php |
| 21:29.14 | cralor | xD |
| 21:29.29 | cralor | odd |
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| 21:35.17 | Lulia | I'm really excited about this next version of my AddOn :) |
| 21:36.12 | Shirik | If you kick the ball from outside your 22 meter mark or the ball is passed back into the 22 and you kick straight into touch the lineout will be from where you kicked the ball from not where the ball goes. |
| 21:36.36 | Shirik | ^ This sentence was so confusing it confused one of Wikipedia's neural network bots and caused it to be reverted as vandalism |
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| 21:37.15 | Lulia | :P |
| 21:38.33 | Cide | as it should |
| 21:38.39 | Cide | that's effectively vandalism alright |
| 21:44.11 | Shirik | no |
| 21:44.14 | Shirik | it's bad, but it's not vandalism |
| 21:44.24 | Shirik | Agreed it probably shouldn't be on WP |
| 21:44.27 | Shirik | but that's not the bot's job |
| 21:44.46 | syrae | damn highlights on "bot" |
| 21:47.52 | TC-Work | bot |
| 21:48.03 | syrae | TC-Work: HATE YOU |
| 21:48.11 | TC-Work | ^_^ |
| 21:48.28 | Lunessa | ". it makes you wonder how easy these people need their leisure time to be? Science has already invented drinkable yogurt." lulz |
| 21:49.36 | Cide | Shirik: can we call it intelligent trolling then? |
| 21:50.09 | TC-Work | Cide: thats an oxymoron |
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| 21:50.15 | Cide | no |
| 21:50.20 | TC-Work | yes |
| 21:50.23 | Cide | no |
| 21:50.25 | TC-Work | yes |
| 21:55.06 | Cide | no |
| 21:56.51 | TC-Work | yes |
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| 22:12.51 | Zhinjio | is there a /-command to get off a vehicle? |
| 22:13.49 | Arrowmaster | !api ExitVehicle |
| 22:13.49 | lua_bot | CanExitVehicle: Returns whether the player is in a vehicle (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CanExitVehicle) |
| 22:14.10 | Arrowmaster | !api VehicleExit |
| 22:14.10 | lua_bot | VehicleExit: Removes the player from the current vehicle (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/VehicleExit) |
| 22:14.18 | Arrowmaster | so /run VehicleExit() |
| 22:15.08 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 22:16.03 | arkanes | its bound to keypad-5 by default too |
| 22:17.29 | industrial | brilliant :') http://therawness.com/myth-of-the-ghetto-alpha-male/ |
| 22:21.43 | Dagmar | Oh that's just awesome |
| 22:24.27 | Dagmar | jacobw: Try #ubuntu for help getting your ATI drivers working correclt.y |
| 22:25.17 | Cide | funny how Dagmar's invisible friend uses ati of all things |
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| 22:30.55 | Cide | no |
| 22:31.04 | Dagmar | He ain't my friend. |
| 22:31.19 | Dagmar | Friends don't let friends buy ATI cards. |
| 22:31.31 | Cide | could be a one-way friendship |
| 22:31.33 | Dagmar | ...particularly if they're going to be used on Linux. |
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| 22:32.09 | Fi5ker | ati sucks |
| 22:32.23 | Fi5ker | not apple levels of suck though |
| 22:32.27 | Cide | Fi5ker: can I pretend that you're sane? |
| 22:32.42 | Dagmar | Looks like the usual... It can't initialize the display. |
| 22:32.55 | Dagmar | Imagine that. An ATI user with a video problem. |
| 22:32.58 | Fi5ker | who's sane Cide ? |
| 22:33.07 | Fi5ker | world first Dagmar |
| 22:33.21 | Cide | yes, ati's linux drivers aren't very good |
| 22:33.29 | Cide | doesn't make the cards worse though |
| 22:33.35 | Fi5ker | my first and only ati card fried itself and my motherboard |
| 22:33.49 | Cide | try not disconnecting the fan |
| 22:33.53 | Cide | and heatsink |
| 22:33.54 | Fi5ker | AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND MY LOGIC IS FLAWLESS |
| 22:34.03 | Fi5ker | i didn't Cide |
| 22:34.21 | Cide | you didn't even try? |
| 22:34.26 | Cide | you just went ahead and did it anyway didn't you |
| 22:34.35 | Fi5ker | actually i changed the heatsink to a custom one |
| 22:34.41 | Fi5ker | but that's about it |
| 22:35.01 | Fi5ker | but one day my computer went snap krackle and pop |
| 22:35.11 | Fi5ker | started smelling bad |
| 22:35.15 | Fi5ker | saw a melted mosfet |
| 22:35.20 | Fi5ker | video card didn't survive |
| 22:35.21 | Fi5ker | :( |
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| 22:40.33 | Fi5ker | are you laughing at my misfortune Tuller ? |
| 22:40.50 | Tuller | i have no idea what you're talking about! |
| 22:41.02 | Arrowmaster | laugh anyway |
| 22:41.53 | Dashkal | Bibi: Given you just had this fancy revamp and all, could I pester you again to add a blue count for each thread on the blue tracker? |
| 22:42.02 | Tuller | well, its time for op "drive from nova to richmond" so I win the misfortune game |
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| 22:49.23 | industrial | Fi5ker: no, what have you done |
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| 23:11.58 | Kraftman | is the cloak slot 15? |
| 23:13.57 | Cide | test it |
| 23:14.32 | cbreak | rtfd |
| 23:18.16 | p3lim | anyone with a proper photo program that can create me a white triangle with transparent background at 30x30px? :p |
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| 23:21.06 | p3lim | like this one, just white and with transparent background http://www.simul8.com/i2/1st_column_corner_triangle.gif |
| 23:27.35 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I like your airbag accessories you add to your car steering wheels |
| 23:27.41 | Wobin | they add a touch of class =) |
| 23:27.57 | Arrowmaster | thanks |
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| 23:28.18 | Arrowmaster | my current car doesnt have one though |
| 23:28.37 | Arrowmaster | and it wont ever until i get the stearing column fixed |
| 23:28.39 | Wobin | (yet? =)) |
| 23:29.04 | Arrowmaster | nothing in the stearing column works |
| 23:29.34 | Arrowmaster | no horn, no cruise control (cant even remember if this one has that since it would be broken if it does), no airbag |
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| 23:31.13 | industrial | wtb mecha anime not about kids saving the earth from invasion |
| 23:31.20 | industrial | nor mechas looking like transformers |
| 23:31.26 | industrial | eg http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/brave-fighter-of-legend-da-garn |
| 23:31.26 | amro | you're out of luck |
| 23:31.27 | industrial | :P |
| 23:31.46 | industrial | amro: macross, gundam are pretty good ;D |
| 23:31.46 | Arrowmaster | industrial: macross? |
| 23:32.00 | Arrowmaster | im watching macross 7 right now |
| 23:32.34 | amro | I'd just rewatch grendizer because it's that awesome |
| 23:33.17 | industrial | Can you see my list? http://www.anime-planet.com/users/Industrial/anime |
| 23:33.26 | industrial | new to this site... I seem to like it better then myanimelist |
| 23:33.31 | Arrowmaster | industrial: that show sounds terrible from the description |
| 23:34.00 | industrial | oh just the picture :P |
| 23:34.04 | industrial | makes me not watch it |
| 23:34.12 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is baccano still on your 'want to watch' list? |
| 23:34.15 | Arrowmaster | GO FUCKING WATCH IT |
| 23:34.31 | amro | why is grendizer not on your list |
| 23:34.33 | amro | GO FUCKING WATCH IT |
| 23:34.35 | industrial | fine!, *click* |
| 23:34.41 | industrial | ep2! |
| 23:34.42 | industrial | :p |
| 23:35.27 | industrial | amro: I dunno man.. http://www.anime-planet.com/anime/grendizer-getter-robo-g-great-mazinger-kessen-daikaijuu |
| 23:35.34 | industrial | 1976 T_T |
| 23:35.35 | Arrowmaster | "The Vega homeworld is becoming unstable due to the exploiting of Vegatron, a powerful radioactive ore. Seeking to expand his militaristic empire and find a substitute planet to settle upon, the ruthless King Vega unleashes his armies - composed of flying saucers and giant robotic monsters - and turns first against neighbors such as Fleed, a highly advanced but peaceful world. In a tragically ironic twis |
| 23:35.41 | Arrowmaster | t, the invaders' blitzkrieg turns against them: the once verdant, idyllic Fleed is turned into a radioactive wasteland. Too late, the only known survivor of the royal family, Prince Duke Fleed, manages to steal the Grendizer, the robotic embodiment of the Fleedian God of War, from the Vegan invaders who plan to use it to spearhead their invasion fleet." |
| 23:35.42 | amro | industrial: it's a classic |
| 23:35.46 | Arrowmaster | sounds bad |
| 23:35.59 | amro | how dare you :( |
| 23:36.25 | amro | industrial: that's another show |
| 23:36.37 | industrial | oh noes! vegan invaders! |
| 23:36.55 | industrial | (sounds like porn, or is that just my corrupted mind) |
| 23:37.06 | industrial | (pretty sure its just me) |
| 23:37.06 | amro | quite corrupted |
| 23:37.12 | amro | I was thinking of vega from sf2 |
| 23:38.36 | Arrowmaster | you dropped Hayate the Combat Butler!? what is wrong with you |
| 23:39.15 | amro | now that sounds bad, unless he's a butler by day and crimefighter by night |
| 23:40.11 | Arrowmaster | kd3: these fools need educated about the awesomeness of Hayate the Combat Butler |
| 23:41.09 | amro | hey, you just insulted grendizer |
| 23:41.33 | industrial | should have made comments with each, cant remember why with half of them but typically I just don't like WHINY SHIT GIRL CHARS THAT DO NOTHING WHATSOEVER. :) |
| 23:41.58 | kd3 | hayate++ |
| 23:42.17 | Arrowmaster | see kd3 is with me on this one |
| 23:43.21 | Arrowmaster | industrial: i see youve watched Utawarerumono, have you ever played the game? |
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| 23:45.00 | Napoleone | sup |
| 23:45.22 | Napoleone | is there a minimum for border file? |
| 23:45.22 | amro | I'd agree if by hayate you mean makoto's hayate |
| 23:47.58 | Napoleone | hmm do i apply the border tex to the scrollingframe or its texture? |
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| 23:55.52 | Hirsute | It amazes me that people are still insisting on using macros to handle random mounts/mini-pets. It's such a pain in the rear when there are some great addons to do it for you, but there must be a number of people that refuse, as there always seems to be at least one "My random mount macro broke" thread on the front page of UI&M |
| 23:57.05 | industrial | Arrowmaster: nop |
| 23:57.05 | Lulia | My random mount macro works >.> |
| 23:57.17 | Lulia | I should probably get or make an addon for it, of course |
| 23:57.18 | industrial | Arrowmaster: loved the anime tho :) pretty cuet |
| 23:57.18 | Lulia | but meh |
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| 23:57.45 | industrial | though I'm usually not a fan of fox/cat girls in anime |
| 23:58.00 | Arrowmaster | industrial: game is fucking hilarious its filled with jokes |
