| 00:00.47 | Kraps | name an addon that lets you turn on/off addons from the esc menu |
| 00:01.56 | Kraps | please? |
| 00:02.18 | Wobin | acp |
| 00:02.25 | Wobin | addon control panel |
| 00:03.15 | Kraps | thank ye kindly |
| 00:03.19 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17869-AddonControlPanel.html |
| 00:04.06 | Amarande | But remember, change is coming to America! (It used to be we got actual paper money instead.) |
| 00:04.27 | Kraps | fuck politics |
| 00:04.38 | Wobin | "Welcome to the Teaparty." |
| 00:05.27 | alestane | The Mad Hatter called, he wants his tea party back. |
| 00:07.03 | Kraps | whats a conservative to do? the republicans are fucking insane and the democrats are... democrats |
| 00:08.36 | Jerub | when are you guys going to get rid of your stupid notes anyway? |
| 00:08.46 | Jerub | you've got the most backwards currency in the world. |
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| 00:09.23 | A-KO | good ole politics |
| 00:09.25 | A-KO | You know it's funny |
| 00:09.36 | A-KO | The only people I know that are Republican, are some of the laziest motherfuckers I've ever met. |
| 00:09.37 | Volaan | what calls the globalstrings? I just searched all files in frameXML for one of them and got nothing |
| 00:09.40 | A-KO | :P |
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| 00:11.32 | Kraps | hey A-KO |
| 00:11.35 | Kraps | :( |
| 00:11.41 | A-KO | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gigi-sohn/boucher-defeat-a-loss-for_b_778037.html |
| 00:11.49 | A-KO | yay republicans |
| 00:11.56 | A-KO | throw out the people that are *for* consumers |
| 00:12.05 | A-KO | I'm being dead serious about the Republican thing btw |
| 00:12.47 | A-KO | One of my former coworkers, has worked at my company for 10 years--sat on his ass doing just the single rudimentary job as long as they'd pay him--here it is they're about to let him go due to some changes in that area of the company, and he's still pilfering off of it. He learned one thing, that's that. |
| 00:13.36 | A-KO | Another buddy of mine? 27 years old, hasn't worked in 5 years, lives at home, parents buy everything for him. He eats out a lot, bought a handgun on their dime, goes to the movies a lot. Has a near constant supply of JD and/or Jameson |
| 00:13.45 | A-KO | hardcore right-winger |
| 00:14.32 | Thunder_Child | i would like to poit out that #wowuidev is not a soapbox |
| 00:14.36 | Thunder_Child | point* |
| 00:16.13 | Kraps | A-KO: look up "anecdotal" :P |
| 00:17.42 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:17.55 | Shirik | if I work 100 years straight, I can take out $12 million a month |
| 00:17.59 | Amarande | T_C: it's not? :) |
| 00:18.47 | Cairenn | would like to back up Thunder_Child's statement |
| 00:18.51 | Amarande | also A-KO: JD is meh, anyway |
| 00:18.56 | Amarande | it's pretty much the Jose Cuervo of whiskey :P |
| 00:19.56 | Amarande | although the JD branded BBQ sauce is pretty good. |
| 00:21.35 | Jerub | Shirik: what you should really think about is what happens with 0 interest, 0 inflation. |
| 00:22.11 | Jerub | Shirik: that will give you accurate figures for how much money you'll have to live on if your investments only just keep pace with increased cost of living. |
| 00:22.24 | Shirik | Yeah I have that too |
| 00:23.02 | Thunder_Child | i love how phones spend more energy letting you know it's running out of energy than normal use does. |
| 00:23.13 | A-KO | http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/ |
| 00:23.15 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:23.28 | arkanes | it's probably more likely that the stock market will continue to have large crashes ("corrections") on regular cycles as time goes on, so that your compound returns really aren't |
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| 00:23.42 | Jerub | A-KO: is that the best onion article ever? |
| 00:23.52 | arkanes | you'll be constantly taking huge losses, then slowly making them back, then repeating |
| 00:24.11 | Jerub | *clicks* |
| 00:24.13 | Jerub | yep, it is . |
| 00:24.34 | Jerub | "We as a people must stand united, banding together to tear this nation in two," Bush said. "Much work lies ahead of us: The gap between the rich and the poor may be wide, be there's much more widening left to do. We must squander our nation's hard-won budget surplus on tax breaks for the wealthiest 15 percent. And, on the foreign front, we must find an enemy and defeat it." |
| 00:24.51 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:24.53 | Jerub | this was published in jan 2001. |
| 00:24.57 | syrae | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401646049/to-the-woman-i-sat-behind-during-the-concert/ |
| 00:25.12 | Kraps | "assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years." prophetic |
| 00:25.26 | Jerub | oh god. |
| 00:25.32 | Jerub | my own content filter is blocking games. |
| 00:25.42 | Jerub | *changes proxy* |
| 00:25.58 | syrae | Jerub: games are bad for you. It makes you into a gay pedophile that kills elderly |
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| 00:26.12 | A-KO | It is definitely the best Onion article ever |
| 00:26.28 | Xyphoid | it's amazing isn't it |
| 00:26.34 | A-KO | yep |
| 00:26.42 | Jerub | A-KO: i go back and read it when i awant a cheer up |
| 00:26.46 | A-KO | I don't |
| 00:26.53 | A-KO | It reminds me of how stupid our fucking country is |
| 00:26.56 | Jerub | sorry, are you american? |
| 00:26.57 | Jerub | yeah |
| 00:26.59 | Jerub | sorry :( |
| 00:27.03 | kneeki | Anyone with experience using ESXi have net connection problems once a box is launched? |
| 00:27.10 | arkanes | don't be a jerk, Jerub |
| 00:27.13 | A-KO | nope kneeki, you using supported hardware? |
| 00:27.26 | arkanes | :( |
| 00:27.33 | syrae | kneeki: not in my experience. |
| 00:27.35 | kneeki | A-KO: A Dell R310, claims to support it |
| 00:27.35 | Xyphoid | A-KO: the five blade razor one was good too |
| 00:27.49 | A-KO | Jerub: Thankfully, at least there's good news, semi-good news, from the Supreme Court today |
| 00:28.07 | A-KO | they ripped into the people trying to criminalize the sale of violent video games to minors |
| 00:28.10 | A-KO | pretty good, too |
| 00:28.11 | syrae | A-KO: on the CA games thing/ |
| 00:28.13 | A-KO | yep |
| 00:28.19 | A-KO | I laughed when I read it |
| 00:28.22 | syrae | is there a news link somewhere? |
| 00:28.38 | Cide | certainly not about 20 lines up |
| 00:28.50 | syrae | Cide: backscroll is hard |
| 00:29.00 | Xinhuan | aaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 00:29.07 | Xinhuan | my bg queues went from instant to 5 min wait :( |
| 00:29.13 | Kraps | theres no link |
| 00:29.14 | Xinhuan | with the new battleground mergings |
| 00:29.16 | syrae | also, I don't read this channel 80% of the day, so there's probably lots of awesome things I've missed |
| 00:29.21 | A-KO | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/oral-arguments-in-violent-game-case-focus-on-nature-of-violence.ars |
| 00:29.38 | Kraps | ty A-KO |
| 00:29.47 | Kraps | ~seen a-stray-cat` |
| 00:30.03 | purl | i haven't seen 'a-stray-cat`', Kraps |
| 00:30.03 | Thunder_Child | syrae: i doubt it, cide is here |
| 00:30.03 | A-KO | JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: Would a video game that portrayed a Vulcan, as opposed to a human being, maimed and tortured, would that be covered by the act? |
| 00:30.03 | A-KO | MR. MORAZZINI: No, it wouldn't, Your Honor, because the act is only directed towards the range of options that are able to be inflicted on a human being. |
| 00:30.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: -`? |
| 00:30.29 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: l2look at the nick list |
| 00:30.29 | A-KO | JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: So if the video producer says this is not a human being, it's an android computer simulated person, then all they have to do is put a little artificial feature on the creature and they could sell the video game? |
| 00:30.29 | A-KO | MR. MORAZZINI: Under the act, yes, because California's concernâI think this is one of the reasons that sex and violence are so similarâthese are base 12physical acts we are talking about, Justice Sotomayor. So limiting, narrowing our law here in California, there in California to violenceâviolent depictions againsthuman beings. |
| 00:31.00 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: well it would seem that purldoesnt either |
| 00:31.05 | Thunder_Child | purl doesnt* |
| 00:31.41 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.39 | Kraps | You should consider creating such a one. You might call it the California office of censorship. It would judge each of these [games] one by one. That would be very nice," Justice Scalia countered. |
| 00:36.02 | A-KO | I have a distinct feeling that it's going to be shot down |
| 00:36.04 | A-KO | I really, really do. |
| 00:36.23 | A-KO | that said |
| 00:36.30 | A-KO | I really hate the MPAA ratings and the ESRB ratings |
| 00:36.41 | A-KO | You are not legally allowed to purchase and play AO-rating games on any console you purchase |
| 00:36.51 | A-KO | because Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo want to play the moral police. |
| 00:36.59 | arkanes | that's entirely untrue |
| 00:37.06 | A-KO | no arkanes, it's very true |
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| 00:37.12 | A-KO | the systems will not play games that identify with AO |
| 00:37.14 | arkanes | the MPAA and ESRB ratings have zero legal weight |
| 00:37.16 | A-KO | unless you mod them |
| 00:37.22 | arkanes | that has nothing to do with "legally allowed" |
| 00:37.22 | A-KO | they have 0 legal weight, but they don't need them. |
| 00:37.28 | arkanes | right |
| 00:37.42 | arkanes | you can play your hentai games on your PS 2 and your PC, like god intended |
| 00:37.45 | A-KO | technically, I'm correct. Because we don't have a law identifying that you're *allowed* to do it. |
| 00:37.49 | A-KO | Which we should |
| 00:37.52 | Thunder_Child | well it can be legal. if MS or whomever says it is illigal to play one with AO |
| 00:37.57 | Thunder_Child | thats valid |
| 00:38.05 | arkanes | yeah, you need to go take a civics class |
| 00:38.14 | arkanes | hint: that is not how laws work in this country |
| 00:38.27 | Angayelle | i have 18 frames which are exactly look alike, now i want to be able to resize them using sliders, first method is using a function in which i change every width and every height using SetHeight and SetWidth, it work but i have declare 36 function, second method is to use a template that all my frames inherit from, my problem is even if i change the template, my 18 frame don't dynamically change their size based on the template |
| 00:38.31 | arkanes | and that's as far as I'll go on the topic, at least in this channel |
| 00:38.35 | Angayelle | wall of text sorry |
| 00:38.43 | A-KO | arkanes: Let me explain in more detail. You are not legally allowed to modify your game consoles due to violations of the DMCA. Inadvertently, this means you are not legally allowed to play AO-rating games on your console since to do so would require you to modify the hardware |
| 00:38.46 | A-KO | which violates the DMCA |
| 00:38.52 | Thunder_Child | if sony says it breaks the ToU or ToS to play a AO game as rated by the esrb i think that would hold up |
| 00:39.18 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: there's lots of things covered by the ToS, but use of the console isn't one of them |
| 00:39.34 | A-KO | The consoles don't play AO-rating games, and stores will not sell them. |
| 00:39.38 | Thunder_Child | arkanes: i am saying 'should they chose to' i have no idea whats there now |
| 00:39.40 | Angayelle | so i'm looking for a command that would make my 18 frames to readjust based on th template |
| 00:39.51 | Angayelle | using xml that is |
| 00:40.03 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: right, but use of the actual hardware of the console is not covered by a TOS of any kind |
| 00:40.10 | A-KO | it's covered by law |
| 00:40.12 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:40.22 | Thunder_Child | arkanes: i never said it was, A-KO said something like that |
| 00:40.23 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: there's lots of stuff that is, like access to Home/XBL, online play, updates, demos, all that stuff |
| 00:40.35 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: yeah but he is entirely misinformed and wrong |
| 00:40.37 | A-KO | Personally, I'd rather it all be in the legal system |
| 00:40.41 | A-KO | arkanes: I am not wrong |
| 00:40.52 | A-KO | You cannot play an AO game on any console system, you cannot legally(DMCA) modify it to do so. |
| 00:40.59 | A-KO | That's pretty straight forward |
| 00:41.00 | A-KO | that's not wrong |
| 00:41.09 | Thunder_Child | arkanes: thats fine, but it does not invalidate my point. should they choose to it would give semi-legal backing the the ratings |
| 00:41.19 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: not at all |
| 00:41.21 | Thunder_Child | for thoes systems |
| 00:41.24 | Thunder_Child | those* |
| 00:41.26 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 00:41.39 | Thunder_Child | stupid spelling |
| 00:41.43 | arkanes | Thunder_Child: They already do back the ratings to the extent that they can, by simply not certifying games with whatever rating |
| 00:42.15 | arkanes | but there is no force of law involved |
| 00:42.41 | Thunder_Child | *sigh*. i keep saying 'can' not 'do' |
| 00:42.48 | Hirsute | Recent court decisions have set precedent that a user modifying/circumventing only to allow full use of the hardware (and not to violate copyright) is protected, and not a violation of the DMCA. We'll see how far it extends beyond Jailbreaking iPhones, but it was a good precedent setting decision. |
| 00:43.00 | A-KO | Hirsute: It was only for mobile phones/devices |
| 00:43.01 | A-KO | not for consoles |
| 00:43.13 | arkanes | Hirsute: that was actually not a court decision, but a policy decision by the copyright office |
| 00:43.18 | arkanes | just for clarity |
| 00:43.32 | A-KO | That was directly related to mobile phones to allow you to switch carriers as you want. |
| 00:43.34 | Hirsute | arkanes: Thanks for the clarification. |
| 00:43.34 | arkanes | they're empowered by the DMCA to create exemptions |
| 00:43.51 | A-KO | However, you cannot modify your console devices--and you can't use them to play AO-rating games because of the moral police. |
| 00:44.12 | A-KO | moral police being people who you have no legal power to defend yourself against, because nothing's set in the law. And they've got significantly more $ than you do as an individual to fight it. |
| 00:44.18 | arkanes | and they take public comments on those exemptions, so it's a direct path for citizens to affect those policies without needing to fight a court case |
| 00:44.58 | A-KO | It's not even up to movie theaters to play unrated movies |
| 00:45.07 | A-KO | If a movie theater plays unrated movies, the MPAA will pull all of their movies |
| 00:45.20 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:45.36 | kneeki | I hate the MPAA |
| 00:45.37 | A-KO | It's coercion |
| 00:45.54 | A-KO | It's easy to spot the right-wing conservatards in a crowd over that, too |
| 00:45.57 | A-KO | because they say "well that's a choice!" |
| 00:46.02 | A-KO | "They're free to make that choice!" |
| 00:46.05 | arkanes | and thus a socialist was born |
| 00:46.06 | A-KO | No, it's not a reasonable choice. |
| 00:46.10 | Hirsute | A-KO: Revisiting the language, you are correct, it is specific to handsets. That said, I don't think it will be long before it is used to try to expand common sense to other hardware as well. And it was not to allow people to switch carries, actually, it was to allow "execution of software applications" |
| 00:46.24 | Hirsute | *carriers |
| 00:46.40 | arkanes | modchips aren't actually illegal in the US, even under a conservative reading of the DMCA |
| 00:46.47 | arkanes | so there you go |
| 00:47.00 | Jamash | http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/46464 |
| 00:47.16 | arkanes | *trafficing* in modchips is what will get you in trouble |
| 00:47.32 | A-KO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modchip |
| 00:47.37 | A-KO | actually they are arkanes |
| 00:47.38 | Thunder_Child | heh, that reminds me of weed |
| 00:47.57 | A-KO | One of the functions of many modchipsâthe circumvention of copy protection mechanismsâis outlawed by many countries' copyright laws such as the DMCA in the USA, the EUCD and its various implementations by the EU member countries, and the Australian Copyright Act. |
| 00:48.17 | Thunder_Child | "smoking it isnt illigal, possession of it is" |
| 00:48.42 | A-KO | If you circumvent the bios protection features of the device (digital signature verification of executables), you are in violation of the law. |
| 00:48.49 | arkanes | perhaps you should try reading the DMCA, instead of reading lots of meaning into poorly phrased wikipedia articles |
| 00:49.10 | kneeki | http://i.imgur.com/biPZi.jpg |
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| 00:49.30 | arkanes | the DMCA bans trafficking in circumvention devices. It does not, and could not, ban the act of circumvention itself, because there is no legal theory that would support such legislation |
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| 00:49.46 | arkanes | other countries have different laws |
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| 00:50.09 | Gnarfoz | germany has laws that make both illegal, sadly |
| 00:50.39 | A-KO | arkanes: It does not ban the act of circumvention, however, it does ban the act of developing circumvention measures. |
| 00:50.47 | A-KO | So while you as a user aren't legally forced to not do it |
| 00:50.48 | arkanes | no, only distributing them |
| 00:51.14 | arkanes | the law has absolutely zero hold over you as long as you invent and engineer your own modchip |
| 00:51.28 | arkanes | obviously that is a pretty steep barrier, it's not like it has no affect on your life at all |
| 00:51.48 | A-KO | well, for what it's worth arkanes |
| 00:51.52 | A-KO | we will know on November 30th |
| 00:51.52 | arkanes | but if you're going to complain about the man keeping you down, you should at least be detailed |
| 00:52.16 | A-KO | Right now, as it stands, they are currently weighing on the issue as there is a current court case with Microsoft against a modchipper in California. |
| 00:52.28 | A-KO | We will see if they apply the recent DMCA exemptions in the same light to console modchips |
| 00:52.39 | arkanes | that is indeed interesting |
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| 00:52.47 | arkanes | the excemption won't apply, though |
| 00:53.13 | A-KO | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/xbox-modder-tria/#ixzz135AXYHWI |
| 00:53.16 | arkanes | it's not like legal precedent, where they can apply it to similar cases, it's a statutory exemption to the law |
| 00:53.37 | arkanes | if they're found to be non-infringing, it will be on the straight merits of the law as written |
| 00:53.48 | Kraps | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/untoons |
| 00:53.50 | arkanes | I suppose you could make a claim that an xbox is a mobile device |
| 00:53.54 | arkanes | that seems a stretch |
| 00:54.17 | A-KO | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/10/fairuse.pdf |
| 00:54.26 | A-KO | Defendant is charged in a two-count indictment with |
| 00:54.26 | A-KO | violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), |
| 00:54.26 | A-KO | Title 17, United States Code, Sections 1201(a)(1)(A), 1204(a)(1). |
| 00:54.26 | A-KO | The indictment alleges that on March 15, 2008 and April 21, 2009, |
| 00:54.26 | A-KO | defendant modified the optical disc drives of two Microsoft XBox |
| 00:54.27 | A-KO | ("Xbox") game consoles so that the consoles would circumvent the |
| 00:54.27 | A-KO | anti-piracy measures contained on the original unmodified optical |
| 00:54.28 | A-KO | disc drives. Trial is set to begin on November 30, 2010. |
| 00:54.39 | A-KO | I'd argue to say that he wasn't distributing modchips |
| 00:54.43 | A-KO | merely modding the dvd drive |
| 00:54.49 | A-KO | according to this |
| 00:54.52 | arkanes | er yeah |
| 00:54.56 | A-KO | modifying the dvd drive is in violation of the dmca |
| 00:54.59 | arkanes | hows that relevent? |
| 00:55.11 | arkanes | no, again, it's because he did it in exchange for money for someone else |
| 00:55.47 | arkanes | "device" under the DMCA doesn't neccesarily mean a physical thing, it includes software and arguably even information on how to do it |
| 00:55.48 | A-KO | I'd argue that this particular statement filing says nothing about the financials involved |
| 00:55.51 | A-KO | and merely states the modification act |
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| 00:55.55 | A-KO | rather than the financial aspect of it |
| 00:55.57 | arkanes | "allegedly ran a business modding Xbox 360s for between $60 and $80 a pop. |
| 00:55.58 | arkanes | Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/xbox-modder-tria/#ixzz14GqjPkGt" |
| 00:56.02 | A-KO | Sure |
| 00:56.14 | arkanes | odd how did that extra pastage get in there |
| 00:56.51 | arkanes | the financial return is actually not important, it's the distribution |
| 00:57.12 | A-KO | None of this in the actual court brief mentions anything about the distribution nor the financial reasons behind doing so. It very specifically states the act of modification itself. |
| 00:57.34 | A-KO | Though, this isn't the legal decision :P |
| 00:57.42 | A-KO | So we'll see the final decision probably sometime in Dec or Jan |
| 00:57.50 | A-KO | This was simply filed by the prosecutors |
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| 00:58.18 | A-KO | oh nm |
| 00:58.21 | A-KO | it includes decisions from the court |
| 00:59.04 | A-KO | We disagree that subsection 1201(c)(1) permits such a |
| 00:59.05 | A-KO | reading. Instead, it simply clarifies that the DMCA |
| 00:59.05 | A-KO | targets the circumvention of digital walls guarding |
| 00:59.05 | A-KO | copyrighted material (and trafficking in circumvention |
| 00:59.05 | A-KO | tools), but does not concern itself with the use of |
| 00:59.05 | A-KO | those materials after circumvention has occurred. |
| 00:59.12 | arkanes | no this is a brief |
| 00:59.38 | Corrodias2 | fucking hell, if we can't be expected to understand this, why are we expected to abide by it? |
| 00:59.51 | arkanes | it's not a decision by the court, but an explanation of a legal theory by the prosecution |
| 01:00.23 | A-KO | On appeal, defendant argued that Section 1201(c)(1) permits |
| 01:00.24 | A-KO | the circumvention of encryption technology protecting copyrighted |
| 01:00.24 | A-KO | material when the material will be put to âfair usesâ which are |
| 01:00.24 | A-KO | exempt from copyright liability. Id. at 443. The Court rejected |
| 01:00.24 | A-KO | defendantâs argument: |
| 01:00.31 | A-KO | that's the preceding text to what I pasted above |
| 01:00.41 | A-KO | so the court did agree with the prosecution |
| 01:00.58 | arkanes | A-KO: a court, yes |
| 01:01.00 | A-KO | that whateve the downstream use is (whether fair use or not), has no bearing on the act of circumvention itself |
| 01:01.03 | Gnarfoz | wasn't there a politics channel somewhere on freenode? |
| 01:01.15 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: We're all gamers ;) |
| 01:01.18 | Corrodias2 | the biggest problem with laws: you need a degree just to figure out what you're allowed to do |
| 01:01.26 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: then stfu about DMCA and whatnot |
| 01:01.27 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 01:01.30 | arkanes | it's not "whatever the downstream use" |
| 01:01.46 | arkanes | there are specific uses which are specifically exempted, fair use isn't one of them though |
| 01:01.54 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Some of it is interesting, but it's up to interpretation. I'm a person that strictly interprets based on text available. |
| 01:02.01 | Corrodias2 | Gnarfoz: i don't think you acrually read A-KO's response. what you said doesn't make sense. besides, law and politics are not the same. |
| 01:02.30 | arkanes | Corrodias2: legal languge is specialized, but it's not all that different from programming |
| 01:02.49 | Cide | it's not that different from lolcode you mean |
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| 01:03.08 | A-KO | Legal language is interesting because people attempt to interpret meaning behind laws. Also, sometimes things aren't very clear. |
| 01:03.17 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias2: response to what? you're not doing so well with the reading yourself, apparently. |
| 01:03.21 | Corrodias2 | perhaps. but then you get pages and pages of it that contradict each other at different or equivalent levels of government. you have decades of obscure precedents. |
| 01:03.22 | A-KO | and they *do* leave shit up to interpretation |
| 01:03.32 | arkanes | oh yes all the time |
| 01:03.42 | arkanes | thats actually one of the reasons we have court systems and not just legal bots |
| 01:03.55 | A-KO | I dislike that though. |
| 01:03.59 | A-KO | Laws should be pretty damn clear and specific |
| 01:04.01 | arkanes | they're *supposed* to interpret and evaluate context and good judgment |
| 01:04.03 | Corrodias2 | Gnarfoz: you said, "wasn't there a politics channel...". A-KO responded, "we're all gamers." you -responded-, "then stfu about dmca", etc. |
| 01:04.14 | A-KO | god knows the shit I signed at work is pretty god damn clear |
| 01:04.15 | A-KO | and all inclusive |
| 01:04.16 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias2: and last I checked, politics is where laws are made. and many laws, DMCA being a prime example, /are/ politics. |
| 01:04.17 | A-KO | for non-compete |
| 01:04.56 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: Specifically, we are arguing over the wording in a case surrounding what you are and aren't allowed to do with a gaming console. Considering a lot of people in here are gamers, I suspect it's somewhat relevant. |
| 01:05.07 | A-KO | This isn't your typical political argument :P |
| 01:05.10 | Gnarfoz | US gamers, maybe |
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| 01:05.24 | Corrodias2 | they are made by politicians, but discussing bathroom tissue is not the same as discussing bathroom tissue manufacturers |
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| 01:05.32 | Corrodias2 | or its manufacture in general |
| 01:05.40 | Gnarfoz | how can you fail to get what I mean so badlly |
| 01:05.41 | Gnarfoz | -l |
| 01:06.08 | Gnarfoz | anyway, do carry on~ |
| 01:06.14 | Corrodias2 | i understand what you mean. you don't want to see the discussion. it's a simple desire that i don't really care about. |
| 01:06.31 | A-KO | For the foregoing reasons, the government respectfully |
| 01:06.32 | A-KO | requests that the court exclude any evidence that defendant may |
| 01:06.32 | A-KO | seek to introduce at trial regarding a âfair useâ defense, |
| 01:06.32 | A-KO | including any evidence of the creation of "homebrew" games or the |
| 01:06.32 | A-KO | playing of backup copies on modified video game consoles. |
| 01:06.33 | Gnarfoz | that's the part I can't change anyway. I meant the politics part. |
| 01:07.01 | A-KO | I hope this makes it all the way to the Supreme court |
| 01:07.09 | A-KO | That would be full of win |
| 01:07.23 | A-KO | If the Supreme Court applies the same logic they're applying in CA's stupid games law |
| 01:07.27 | Corrodias2 | i would request that the court exclude any evidence that the prosecution may seek to introduce regarding playing illegal copies of games, then. seeing as that's just "use". |
| 01:07.29 | A-KO | I suspect we'd be victorious |
| 01:07.39 | A-KO | Corrodias2: I agree |
| 01:07.43 | A-KO | but unfortunately |
| 01:07.46 | A-KO | that's not what is at trial |
| 01:07.53 | Corrodias2 | at that point it's all about protection of the OS and cracking it. and then they would still side with the DMCA. |
| 01:08.03 | Corrodias2 | but at least the ruling would be consistent. |
| 01:08.20 | arkanes | how would it be consistent? |
| 01:08.29 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Actually, the interesting thing about the Supreme Court is that they don't have to side necessarily with precedent, and their interpretation is whether or not it violates Constitutional rights. Unfortunately, this also means they could completely stand out of the situation entirely. |
| 01:08.35 | arkanes | the entire point of the DMCA is to make things which enable copyright violations illegal |
| 01:09.00 | Corrodias2 | good point, i don't know whether that is true |
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| 01:09.07 | arkanes | so while they don't have to show that anyone *did* infringe, it hinges on the fact that the device enables infringment. That's entirely relevent. |
| 01:09.33 | arkanes | If fair use were exempted in the DMCA, then the fair use of homebrew games would also be relevant |
| 01:09.53 | A-KO | arkanes: Sure, but it's kind of a messed up sense of logic. On one hand, the defendant isn't allowed to bring into consideration of the court the actual use of the device. But the prosecutors can bring into court a *possible* use of the device. |
| 01:10.02 | arkanes | the brief is arguing that it's not a valid defense (and citing precedent to support that claim), and since it's not a valid defense, they want him to be prohibited from making it |
| 01:10.08 | Corrodias2 | who's filing suit in this case, again? |
| 01:10.15 | Corrodias2 | or whatever the term may be |
| 01:10.17 | arkanes | A-KO: sure, because thats what the law is about |
| 01:10.32 | arkanes | A-KO: that is the exact purpose of the law, it is why it was written |
| 01:10.34 | A-KO | Corrodias2: the US government |
| 01:10.49 | A-KO | Corrodias2: US Government versus Matthew Crippen |
| 01:11.01 | arkanes | federal government |
| 01:11.04 | Corrodias2 | that's a little suspicious. shouldn't there be victims in this? |
| 01:11.09 | arkanes | because they're the ones with jurisdiction |
| 01:11.13 | arkanes | Corrodias2: there doesn't have to be |
| 01:11.44 | arkanes | compare it to, say, laws against gun smuggling |
| 01:11.56 | A-KO | arkanes: I know what the purpose of the law is. What I'm saying is that it's interesting that they argue that you cannot consider the defendant's fair use but also argue what the device can be used for. The devices *can* be used for a lot of things. It seems kind of frivolous in this case to go after those that *enable*, and more prudent to go after those that *do* violate copyright. |
| 01:11.59 | arkanes | nobody has to be shot with your gun for trafficking to be illegal |
| 01:12.01 | Corrodias2 | no, i get it |
| 01:12.06 | A-KO | The DMCA has many years of challenges against it though |
| 01:12.21 | Kraps | heh, the doomsday cultist quests aew getting me pumped to play wow |
| 01:12.30 | arkanes | it's been consistently upheld :\ |
| 01:12.39 | Wobin | http://www.partyontheinternet.com/ |
| 01:12.42 | nebula169 | jumping into the middle of this, but didn't apple get shot down about jailbreaking? seems pretty similar to console modding |
| 01:12.45 | Wobin | Streaming dresden dolls concert |
| 01:12.51 | arkanes | it's a solidly written law with solid legal theory behind it, which may be unfortunate |
| 01:12.53 | A-KO | arkanes: True, but there is some slippage in it recently. I was HEAVILY surprised about the mobile phone decision. |
| 01:13.05 | arkanes | nebula169: policy decision, not a legal precedent, and it was applied specifically to mobile devices |
| 01:13.32 | Corrodias2 | because they're special |
| 01:13.33 | A-KO | arkanes: Keep in mind, it could also be extended to consoles since the recent Sony PS3 Linux debacle. |
| 01:13.40 | arkanes | A-KO: if you can make a sufficiently convincing case to the copyright office the next time they open up to public comment on the DMCA, you may well get them to create exemptions for modchips |
| 01:13.55 | arkanes | A-KO: all you have to do is write a letter |
| 01:14.07 | Corrodias2 | A-KO: i suspect there was a class-action lawsuit about that? is it going anywhere, if so? |
| 01:14.15 | A-KO | Corrodias2: Not sure, haven't looked. |
| 01:14.25 | A-KO | Corrodias2: But class action isn't a good idea, it should be looked at regarding the DMCA. |
| 01:14.26 | Corrodias2 | k |
| 01:14.38 | arkanes | Corrodias2: the exemption doesn't require apple to cooperate, it just means you can't be prosecuted for breaking what they have |
| 01:14.43 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:14.47 | A-KO | Apple can still disable your device |
| 01:14.48 | A-KO | actually ;P |
| 01:14.54 | A-KO | technically, anyway. |
| 01:14.59 | A-KO | Which is funny |
| 01:15.07 | A-KO | Of course, they'd get slapped for it likely |
| 01:15.15 | A-KO | but that doesn't mean that s of right now, they can't do it |
| 01:15.44 | A-KO | All it means is what arkanes said, that Apple can't seek criminal charges against you for it. |
| 01:15.47 | nebula169 | how does apple have anything to do with your service contract with att? |
| 01:15.54 | nebula169 | or whatever provider |
| 01:16.00 | Corrodias2 | because it's Apple, and they will control you |
| 01:16.06 | nebula169 | cowers |
| 01:16.11 | Corrodias2 | which you deserve for buying an Apple product, so i do not sympathize much |
| 01:16.15 | A-KO | But.....they can block your device, they can prevent you from getting application updates, they can prevent your device from syncing to your computer. |
| 01:16.24 | A-KO | Corrodias2: it applies to all manufacturers |
| 01:16.28 | arkanes | nebula169: they don't, but the reality of the situation is that apple develops and distributes the iphone softare and its updates |
| 01:16.40 | Hirsute | This has nothing to do with your service contract, nebula169. Apple was (at least threatening) suing users who jailbroke and was threatening to sue those producing jailbreaking software. They no longer can. |
| 01:16.53 | arkanes | nebula169: so they're the ones who would be bricking or disabling your phone, if it was going to happen |
| 01:16.53 | Corrodias2 | it is true that all mobile and console companies like to lock things down so they are in as much control as they can get away with |
| 01:16.55 | A-KO | But that doesn't mean they can't take their own action. |
| 01:17.09 | A-KO | It would be a dick move |
| 01:17.17 | arkanes | they won't |
| 01:17.19 | Hirsute | As mentioned above, they *can* brick your phone, force it off networks, etc. |
| 01:17.29 | A-KO | For example, they can make it as painful as possible to actually use your phone otherwise. |
| 01:17.31 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:17.34 | Hirsute | arkanes: They already did once. One would hope they learned from that time. |
| 01:17.36 | A-KO | force it off of the networks, prevent software updates |
| 01:17.42 | A-KO | Lots of things they can do |
| 01:17.50 | A-KO | just like Microsoft can keep modified xboxes off of xbox live :P |
| 01:17.51 | arkanes | Hirsute: even that first update wasn't a true bricking |
| 01:17.56 | A-KO | and Sony, modded PS3's off of PSN |
| 01:17.58 | Corrodias2 | A-KO: i was just about to say that |
| 01:18.16 | Corrodias2 | so... well done, i guess |
| 01:18.17 | arkanes | apple can force your phone off the network by disabling the client, and your service provider can force it off by disabling it on the "server" side |
| 01:18.23 | arkanes | different mechanisms, same result |
| 01:18.56 | A-KO | arkanes: Yes, but not only that, if you attempted to circumvent those measures--I suspect it would be another case brought against you regardless of the hacking/modification exepmtion. |
| 01:19.04 | A-KO | "Sure, you *can* modify your device, just don't expect us to let them work" |
| 01:19.06 | Corrodias2 | difference being, your contract with the provider... oh, but that's probably terminable by them at any time for any reason. after all, they wrote it. |
| 01:19.11 | Hirsute | arkanes: I'll trust you. I know there was lots of outcry about people's phones not working, but I didn't follow it horribly closely. This kind of attitude about users and the hardware the user owns is my only real beef with Apple (and console companies/other mobile phone companies in general) |
| 01:19.20 | arkanes | Corrodias2: yeah cell contracts are pretty crazily one sided |
| 01:19.33 | Corrodias2 | and we go ahead and sign them anyway, and pay big money to do it |
| 01:19.39 | A-KO | None of this has ever been challenged in law. |
| 01:20.05 | Corrodias2 | but the law does tend to support it, does it not? you can't get out of a contract just by saying you don't like it any more. |
| 01:20.21 | arkanes | yes |
| 01:20.23 | arkanes | more or less |
| 01:20.28 | A-KO | If AT&T were to prevent your modified iphone from talking to their network and being used as a phone, and the other providers also signed in on the idea as well..... |
| 01:20.35 | A-KO | That hasn't even been attempted to be tried yet... |
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| 01:20.56 | Corrodias2 | they might have to refund you a probated rate for the service they are not providing you, no early termination fee, but you'd be out of service. |
| 01:20.57 | A-KO | It'll be interesting to see that come up |
| 01:20.58 | arkanes | there's some wiggle room, but courts are loathe to allow that without policy direction from the legislature, and especially when the contracts are generally publically accepted |
| 01:21.02 | Amarande | yay, one of my lockboxes had a recipe that sells for 1900g |
| 01:21.09 | A-KO | cool Amarande |
| 01:21.20 | Hirsute | Amarande: Nice, which one? |
| 01:21.23 | arkanes | EULAs gained legal precdent in large part because by the time they actually got in front of a court, the public at large generally accepted them as valid |
| 01:21.48 | Jerub | Amarande: um, savory deviate delight? |
| 01:22.24 | Corrodias2 | and why shouldn't we? if it's overly restrictive, we should weigh that against how much we like the game |
| 01:22.28 | Corrodias2 | or the whatever |
| 01:22.40 | arkanes | Corrodias2: sure it's a reasonable argument |
| 01:22.45 | Corrodias2 | but we don't, because we're idiots |
| 01:22.52 | Hirsute | With Azuregos going away, I've pretty much lost hope I'll ever get the Lifelike mechanical toad recipe. |
| 01:22.54 | arkanes | Corrodias2: likewise with stuff like apples control of the handset, and your service contract |
| 01:23.06 | A-KO | Corrodias2: I wouldn't necessarily consider us to be idiots on this matter. It's just that there are no reasonable alternatives. |
| 01:23.08 | A-KO | It's heavy-handed |
| 01:23.22 | Corrodias2 | that's the other side of the coin. one or two people resisting will do no good. |
| 01:23.27 | Corrodias2 | you might as well go along with it |
| 01:23.58 | Hirsute | Pretty much *the* reason I don't have an iPad is that it's just as locked down as the iPhone. I've no desire to own it while I can only install software via the app store. |
| 01:24.08 | Kraps | who works on gathererDB? |
| 01:24.18 | Corrodias2 | that's one reason i don't have it |
| 01:24.24 | Corrodias2 | but apple will have made a mint off it anyway. |
| 01:24.27 | A-KO | Hirsute: Soon enough, they're extending that to all Apple computers |
| 01:24.33 | Hirsute | Kraps: Esamynn, mostly |
| 01:24.46 | Hirsute | A-KO: I don't own an apple computer, and probably won't any time soon. |
| 01:24.51 | Hirsute | Kraps: |
| 01:24.57 | Hirsute | Have a specific question? |
| 01:25.02 | Hirsute | I *might* know the answer. |
| 01:25.12 | alestane | They're adding an app store to OS X, but so far there's no public discussion of a plan to block desktops from running non-app store software. |
| 01:25.24 | arkanes | I own several apple products and enjoy them |
| 01:25.27 | arkanes | including a computer |
| 01:25.32 | alestane | Although I'm sure there are a zillion people convinced that they're just waiting to spring that on us. |
| 01:25.39 | Hirsute | arkanes: Many people do. |
| 01:25.42 | arkanes | alestane: vanishingly unlikely |
| 01:25.42 | Corrodias2 | alestane: i think steve jobs would have an orgasm just thinking about that |
| 01:26.03 | arkanes | I don't know that he really would |
| 01:26.14 | Hirsute | They make a good product, I just don't like their philosophy regarding ownership of the hardware. |
| 01:26.18 | arkanes | Jobs has a vision for how he wants stuff to work, a very sci fi sort of vision |
| 01:26.34 | arkanes | I don't think that desktops are really part of that |
| 01:26.38 | alestane | See, the thing that's weird about Steve is that if he were excited about that, it really would be because he thought Apple was improving the end-user experience. |
| 01:27.04 | alestane | I'm not saying that there wouldn't be other people at APple looking at the chance to make pots of exclusivity money, but he wouldn't be one of them. |
| 01:27.05 | Hirsute | arkanes: Desktops aren't part of his vision of the future at all, he's public stated that. |
| 01:27.09 | arkanes | exactly |
| 01:27.22 | Hirsute | *publically |
| 01:27.24 | alestane | The iPad is really closer to what he wanted to make in 1983. |
| 01:27.45 | alestane | He always used to go on about "information appliances." |
| 01:27.47 | arkanes | he wouldn't be excited about a desktop that didn't run any non-approved apps, because what he *wants* is something with a revolutionary UI and and whole user experience that doesn't run any unauthorized apps |
| 01:27.51 | arkanes | like an ipad |
| 01:28.12 | arkanes | (insert argument about whether touch interfaces still count as revolutionary) |
| 01:28.16 | Aurorus | you know the 1974 Apple Ad? They are turning into the big screen .... |
| 01:28.32 | Gnarfoz | *1984 |
| 01:28.43 | Aurorus | ty Gnarfoz |
| 01:28.55 | Aurorus | something didn't look right |
| 01:29.15 | Kraps | Hirsute: i'm getting an 'out of date" tag for gatherer |
| 01:29.47 | Hirsute | Kraps: For gatherer or GatherDB? |
| 01:29.53 | Kraps | both |
| 01:30.20 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. The TOC for gatherer was updated, I thought. The TOC for GatherDB will probably not be updated until Cata |
| 01:30.50 | Cairenn | okay, WTF? anyone else that uses FB having a little 'problem' with it atm? |
| 01:30.59 | Kraps | ## Interface: 30200 Hirsute |
| 01:31.39 | A-KO | no idea Cairenn |
| 01:31.47 | Kraps | 4.0.x ToC: 40000 in the topic |
| 01:32.05 | Kraps | so i can change it? |
| 01:32.38 | Hirsute | Kraps: Then you aren't on the most recent version, I think. |
| 01:32.58 | Hirsute | Just checked, the most recent Gatherer has the TOC updated. |
| 01:33.05 | Hirsute | You should update |
| 01:33.31 | Hirsute | http://www.gathereraddon.com/dl/ |
| 01:33.54 | Kraps | i was getting it from wowi |
| 01:34.34 | Hirsute | You still need to update. I'ts updated there as well. |
| 01:35.21 | Kraps | thats where i got it from |
| 01:35.23 | Kraps | today |
| 01:35.29 | Kraps | wowi |
| 01:36.05 | Hirsute | I don't know what to tell you. I *just* downloaded it from wowi, and it's updated there with the correct toc |
| 01:37.20 | Kraps | oh i see what happened |
| 01:37.29 | Kraps | <--- idiot |
| 01:37.41 | Hirsute | Glad you got it sorted |
| 01:38.28 | Kraps | will DB work anyway? |
| 01:38.47 | Hirsute | Yep, just check Load out of Date Addons and you should be good to go. |
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| 01:40.17 | Torhal | Just found this tidbit about The Fifth Element: "It makes excellent use of Bruce Willisâs usual tough-guy charm and Milla Jovovichâs uncanny ability to look insanely hot while dressed like Raggedy Ann on meth." |
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| 01:41.44 | Kraps | thanks Hirsute :) |
| 01:45.17 | Kraps | well thats disturbing |
| 01:46.09 | Kraps | someone tell this cultist that you can ALWAYS go back to your famly |
| 01:50.37 | Hirsute | Unless some random rampaging quester has massacred them. |
| 01:52.54 | Wobin | Torhal: true |
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| 01:59.08 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: so true |
| 02:02.53 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:04.28 | Xyphoid | i was kind of surprised at how the cultist thing ended up |
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| 02:09.01 | Kraps | great questline so far |
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| 02:20.38 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6u6b8H9kmk |
| 02:25.16 | Kraps | YT changed the UI a bit again |
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| 02:47.00 | Kraps | "Brotherhood Assistance Maneuvers, or BAM." heh |
| 02:47.21 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you get anything from the sale today? |
| 02:48.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no |
| 02:49.11 | Kraps | you? |
| 02:52.10 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 02:52.20 | Thunder_Child | i played trine and didnt really enjoy it |
| 02:52.29 | Thunder_Child | though the idea is one i rather like |
| 02:53.10 | Thunder_Child | and the other 2 didnt pull me in |
| 02:56.21 | Kraps | why the hell am i subscribed to this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOoIkS5LfpA |
| 03:02.00 | Napoleone | anyone know how to get a full image of the minimap ingame? |
| 03:02.05 | Kraps | http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=363864&title=jon-stewart-moment-of-sincerity |
| 03:02.09 | Napoleone | like the world seen from above. |
| 03:03.04 | Iriel | Napoleone: I believe it's made of lots of tiny tiles |
| 03:09.06 | Napoleone | i know that |
| 03:09.29 | Napoleone | http://wyrimaps.net/wow a nd mapswow somehow made it work |
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| 03:14.00 | MoonWitch|Mobile | are there people in here who are native French speakers? |
| 03:15.13 | Jamash | probably |
| 03:15.31 | Napoleone | Kraps that speech moved me.. damn you lol |
| 03:16.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | naah just figured I could couple fun with duty |
| 03:17.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I learned English mainly by using it a lot online, so I figured French could work with the same method :P |
| 03:17.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and Cairenn, you didn't expect a lot of people to respond? |
| 03:17.50 | Cairenn | not like this, no |
| 03:17.51 | Jamash | I learned English from my parents :P |
| 03:18.04 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I learned Dutch from my mom |
| 03:18.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Cairenn : Poor you... But it shows that the community cares a great deal :) |
| 03:18.40 | Cairenn | yep :) |
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| 03:21.38 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:21.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sh%C3%ADr%C3%ADk_sm%C3%A9lls_of_horse_shi%C3%ADt |
| 03:23.36 | Kraps | sniffs Shirik |
| 03:23.41 | Kraps | meh |
| 03:23.54 | Kraps | its not really noticeable |
| 03:27.04 | Kraps | Shirik: is it a COI if you block him? |
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| 03:27.41 | Kraps | Shirik: is it a COI if you block him? |
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| 03:28.04 | Jamash | someone else already did |
| 03:28.21 | Kraps | i know |
| 03:28.44 | Shirik | Kraps: I tend to avoid blocking those |
| 03:28.53 | Shirik | because someone will inevitably claim it's a COI |
| 03:33.39 | Kraps | another quality panel hosted by clifford bains http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n86JKqA8o4w |
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| 03:38.03 | Jamash | if someone claims it's a coi you should block them too |
| 03:45.47 | Kraps | ktnx http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/suckerpunch/ |
| 03:46.27 | Jamash | ah yes, the "what happens if you give zack snyder a billion dollars and no plot" movie |
| 03:47.23 | Jamash | the answer probably being "a movie everyone torrents and nobody goes to see" |
| 03:48.24 | Arrowmaster | is there a trailer? |
| 03:48.48 | Jamash | ... |
| 03:48.49 | Arrowmaster | i wont torrent it but if i see it on an xdcc bot i might dl it sometime |
| 03:49.21 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: in the link |
| 03:49.32 | Arrowmaster | yes i see it now |
| 03:49.36 | Arrowmaster | had to enable javascript |
| 03:49.50 | Kraps | the full length trailer is new i think |
| 03:51.59 | Jamash | it's like they made a videogame and then made a movie of the videogame and then made a videogame of the movie and then made a movie of the videogame |
| 03:52.45 | Arrowmaster | i think the movie has a solid plot |
| 03:52.56 | Jamash | you mean "AND THEN IT EXPLODES"? |
| 03:53.16 | Arrowmaster | action sceens + gratuitous cgi + T&A |
| 03:53.23 | Jamash | that's not a plot yo |
| 03:53.30 | Arrowmaster | i think thats what they call a plot now a days |
| 03:54.04 | Jamash | pasteurized processed story-like product? |
| 03:54.13 | Arrowmaster | ill be downloading it for the last reason |
| 03:54.36 | Arrowmaster | im a sucker for the pigtails, school girl skirts, and kneesocks |
| 03:57.51 | Jamash | I also like how they stole the tagline from Illidan |
| 03:58.24 | Thunder_Child | "grimalkin = elderly female cat" because a word was needed for that... |
| 03:58.42 | MoonWitch|afk | ok backish |
| 03:58.52 | Arrowmaster | what thats seriously what that word means? |
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| 03:59.04 | Thunder_Child | it would seem so |
| 03:59.13 | Xyphoid | mechanically separated story? |
| 03:59.15 | Kraps | ok, i dont see ANYTHING wrong with that movie |
| 03:59.29 | Arrowmaster | that just makes hakkumens lines in blazblue make so much less sense |
| 03:59.41 | Arrowmaster | because he says grimalkin so much |
| 03:59.53 | Jamash | Kraps: this is the cancer that's killing hollywood |
| 04:00.04 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: term of endearment? |
| 04:00.15 | Kraps | Jamash: bullshit |
| 04:00.28 | Kraps | its the stupid comedies |
| 04:00.33 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: no and he calls every other character a grimalkin at some point |
| 04:00.42 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: then insult |
| 04:01.03 | Arrowmaster | it makes no sense though |
| 04:01.15 | Arrowmaster | because one of the characters is a female cat, but only one of them |
| 04:02.09 | Jamash | I'm sorry, at what point did you expect blazblue to make sense? |
| 04:02.40 | Arrowmaster | hey now, im working my way though the story mode and its not bad |
| 04:07.58 | Seerah | MoonWitch|afk: It works!!!! |
| 04:08.03 | MoonWitch|afk | oh the "bring out yer dead" scene still makes me laugh |
| 04:08.09 | MoonWitch|afk | it works?? Do share |
| 04:08.11 | Thunder_Child | *THWAK* |
| 04:08.28 | Seerah | http://pastebin.com/DP4Gwrnc |
| 04:08.53 | Seerah | all I had to do was comment out my awful manual replacement of the function at line 17 |
| 04:09.17 | Seerah | it was still giving taint in the taint log, though, so I used the xml file and the code you gave me. and voila! |
| 04:09.26 | Hirsute | Shirik: Holy crap, you do a lot of work on wikipedia. How much time do you spend on it? |
| 04:09.29 | MoonWitch | wait -- that worked for you?? |
| 04:09.33 | Seerah | yes |
| 04:09.35 | Seerah | even in combat |
| 04:09.37 | MoonWitch | I tried and it errored for me lol |
| 04:09.41 | MoonWitch | lolz |
| 04:11.47 | Seerah | I started to start from scratch, adding a little bit of Furbish+edits back each time. I noticed that the function replacement was causing serious taint (not unexpected), and I found that I could move the BUFF_ROW_SPACING = 15 and CONSOLIDATED_BUFF_ROW_HEIGHT = 31 lines to the PEW function, and it would still stick. |
| 04:12.04 | Seerah | So, after a while of adding and adding lines back to the code, I thought..... was this all I needed to do? |
| 04:12.06 | Seerah | and it was. |
| 04:12.17 | Seerah | (well, except for the taint it was still throwing :p ) |
| 04:12.43 | Seerah | (though it was still letting me cancel buffs, which was weird - I only saw the taint in the log - even an action blocked message that I never saw in game) |
| 04:13.28 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute: it's all bot based |
| 04:13.41 | Jamash | Shirik is a bot. |
| 04:13.50 | Thunder_Child | no, he is an AI |
| 04:13.54 | Jamash | same thing |
| 04:13.58 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:14.01 | Jamash | yep |
| 04:14.04 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:14.08 | Jamash | yeeeeeeeeep |
| 04:14.10 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:14.14 | Jamash | duck season |
| 04:14.17 | Hirsute | c-c-c-combo breaker... |
| 04:14.21 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 04:14.27 | Kraps | SILVERFISH HANDCATCH |
| 04:14.29 | Jamash | duck season! |
| 04:14.40 | Thunder_Child | nope's |
| 04:14.48 | Jamash | Duck season! |
| 04:18.59 | Hirsute | Heh: "Do not edit war with the bot." |
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| 04:22.18 | Hirsute | .... Someone really reported another wikipedia user for vandalism because the reported user was changing grammar and removing the letter suffixes from fractions (1/1000th -> 1/1000) on a set of pages. |
| 04:22.30 | Hirsute | Someone is just a little uptight, me things. |
| 04:23.46 | Kraps | Hirsute: are you new to wikipedia? |
| 04:24.14 | Hirsute | Kraps: I've never looked at talk pages and other non-cyclopedic pages before. |
| 04:24.31 | Hirsute | When I go to Wikipedia, it's generall for specific information. |
| 04:24.38 | Jamash | ~wrongontheinternet |
| 04:24.38 | purl | wrongontheinternet is, like, http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 04:24.39 | Kraps | YOU ARE NOT PREPARED |
| 04:24.47 | Hirsute | s/generall/generally/ |
| 04:25.22 | Hirsute | xkcd+ |
| 04:27.48 | Kraps | Hirsute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars |
| 04:28.08 | Hirsute | There's a *page* for that? Wow |
| 04:28.52 | Jamash | There's A Page For That⢠|
| 04:28.59 | Dagmar | In case you haven't noticed, WP is home to the biggest collection of obsessive compulsive auty kids the Internet has ever seen |
| 04:30.12 | Thunder_Child | "A page for everything, and everything in its page" |
| 04:30.55 | Jamash | wikipedia is the pot and the kettle reverting each other's edits to the page "Black" |
| 04:33.35 | Kraps | can we immortalize that somewhere? |
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| 04:35.15 | Dagmar | Meh. Just buy some. |
| 04:36.09 | Computerpunk | Time? |
| 04:36.11 | Jerub | "An even more epic battle: machine vs. machine. One apparently malfunctioning bot reverted two others a total of six times in two months." |
| 04:36.12 | Computerpunk | How much is it? |
| 04:36.16 | Jerub | whatisthisidonteven |
| 04:36.27 | Computerpunk | im12andwhatisthis? |
| 04:36.48 | Jamash | it's not really epic unless the bots start reverting each other at least once per second |
| 04:37.22 | Mirrormn | "Avril Lavigne |
| 04:37.22 | Mirrormn | Was her radio hit from her debut album, Let Go, spelled "I'm With You", or was it spelled "I'm with You"? Intense edit warring ensued, and continues, over this contentious matter. Many personal attacks and a request for page protection were also included." O.o |
| 04:38.05 | Kraps | great song |
| 04:39.59 | Amarande | gooooooood grief. |
| 04:40.07 | Computerpunk | typos, people take them seriously. |
| 04:40.13 | Computerpunk | or bad spelling. |
| 04:40.35 | Computerpunk | that's why you roll metal bands. |
| 04:41.21 | Hjalte | I remember an addon for PerfectRaid that would add role icons - But now I can't find it on either addon website. Anyone knows where it went? |
| 04:42.42 | Jamash | my band name was Acoustic Toothbrush but now that's a real band |
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| 04:45.12 | Thunder_Child | SinTakis? |
| 04:45.26 | Thunder_Child | oh, i cant read |
| 04:45.33 | Jamash | So now it's Mooncöre. |
| 04:45.33 | Thunder_Child | meanders off to sleep |
| 04:46.19 | Mirrormn | "Edit war over whether the template at the top, announcing that the article was speedy kept after an Articles for Deletion debate lasting less than an hour, should include the word "ZOOOOOOOM" to exemplify the speediness of the process. It was kept in until finally being supplanted by a note in the archive box template." hahaha |
| 04:46.41 | Kraps | "Should Palin redirect to Sarah Palin? Is Sarah Palin more famous than Monty Python member Michael Palin? If she's more famous now, will she continue to be more famous in the future? Should Sarah and/or Michael Palin be listed in their own section at the top of the dab page, or just on top of the list of other Palins, or should the sorting be purely alphabetical? Following a handful of polls... |
| 04:46.42 | Kraps | ...and rampant accusations of bias, a consensus seems near, but who knows what the future will bring?" |
| 04:48.17 | Jamash | I hear Ridley Scott is attached to an adaptation of Joe Haldeman's novel, "The Forever Edit War" |
| 04:48.45 | Jerub | (I really liked the forever war, especially the later ones written after Haldeman learned to write) |
| 04:49.38 | adys_ | Did twitter break? :p |
| 04:49.49 | Thunder_Child | that would be nice |
| 04:49.55 | Jamash | if it did, does it matter? |
| 04:50.10 | adys_ | it wouldnt but for once im trying to get an archive |
| 04:50.31 | Jamash | twittarded |
| 04:53.22 | Jamash | twittectomy |
| 04:53.28 | adys_ | funny |
| 04:53.32 | adys_ | meanwhile, is it broken for you too? |
| 04:54.00 | Jamash | it says over capacity |
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| 04:54.04 | adys_ | ok |
| 04:54.15 | Jamash | anyone here read The Cyberiad? |
| 04:54.37 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1_Night_in_Paris#No_Spoiler_Warning.3F |
| 04:54.53 | MentalPower | Kraps: http://www.qdb.us/304490 |
| 04:55.34 | Kraps | woot |
| 04:57.17 | Amarande | wasn't there also a guy named Palin in the later Dragonlance books? |
| 04:58.23 | Xyphoid | the cyberiad is awesome |
| 04:59.52 | Jamash | there's a story about a Demon of the Second Kind, which uses the entropy of the universe to generate true (but utterly trivial) tidbits of information from everywhere |
| 05:00.22 | Jamash | I submit that StanisÅaw Lem predicted Twitter in 1967 |
| 05:01.00 | Kraps | jdbugg87: ok i just ripped a cd...what the hell is .ogg |
| 05:01.01 | Kraps | adanedhel728: it's a file extension, kind of like "doc" is short for "document," "ogg" is short for "oh good god, what an annoying file format" |
| 05:01.56 | Lulia | I have what should be a valid dropdown menu created with EasyMenu, but, when I click on the created Menu I get an error that list (my menu table) is a nil value. This most certainly is not the case, however. Is anyone able to help me figure out why it might be? |
| 05:02.25 | MoonWitch | hey to get the achievement of the elemental invasion, do you need all 4 buffs at once? |
| 05:02.58 | Hirsute | http://www.qdb.us/304478 <--- Bwahaha |
| 05:03.00 | Lulia | You should just need to kill 1 of each type of elemental. |
| 05:03.06 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2804/ |
| 05:03.13 | Lulia | There's the code creating the dropdown menu |
| 05:05.48 | Jamash | you misspelled "vertical" |
| 05:06.14 | Lulia | typo |
| 05:06.35 | Lulia | And while, thank you, that's certainly not what's causing it to error :-/ |
| 05:06.58 | Jamash | I'm like the guy who the guy in the hot air balloon asks for directions |
| 05:07.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.qdb.us/303746 cackle |
| 05:08.11 | Thunder_Child | but he forgot the (tm) |
| 05:08.53 | Jamash | is the first argument to CreateFrame case sensitive? |
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| 05:10.48 | Kraps | http://www.qdb.us/29482 |
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| 05:16.05 | wereHamster | is the old wowace svn tree still available somewhere? |
| 05:17.51 | Shirik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/2a38c8f3-caa8-44bd-ade8-cd705ffe3f5a.jpg |
| 05:18.13 | Jamash | nice |
| 05:21.12 | Kraps | ERROR |
| 05:21.53 | Jamash | DOES NOT COMPUTE |
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| 05:24.52 | Hirsute | Jamash: Isn't pretty much everything in Lua (and WoW coding) case-sensitive? |
| 05:26.46 | Kraps | omg gold http://www.qdb.us/133573 |
| 05:27.25 | Jamash | Hirsute: it's a blizzard api, so maybe, maybe not |
| 05:28.07 | Hirsute | Jamash: It's definitely possible it isn't, but I've not yet used a Blizz api in an addon that isn't case-sensitive. |
| 05:28.12 | Jamash | apparently the frame type argument is not case sensitive |
| 05:28.34 | Hirsute | Or, that I knew wasn't. I could be just making unwarranted assumptions. |
| 05:29.10 | Jamash | I called CreateFrame("FRAME", "OMGSOMEFRAME", UIParent) and then OMGSOMEFRAME:GetObjectType() and it returned "Frame" |
| 05:29.13 | Amarande | speaking of the elemental invasion, where are the other three kinds of elementals? |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | I've only ever seen fire ones |
| 05:29.29 | Jamash | different zones have different types |
| 05:29.35 | Jamash | zul'drak has fire |
| 05:29.40 | Amarande | yeah, probably because I've been questing hellfire peninsula |
| 05:29.44 | Amarande | are there outland zones with the other 3? |
| 05:29.50 | Jamash | should be |
| 05:30.13 | Amarande | of course, I haven't even encountered all the mobs from the *original* set of elemental invasions, either |
| 05:30.37 | Amarande | I've only just recently seen the Water Invaders for the first time (and the boss was apparently gone already), and I've never ever seen the Earth ones |
| 05:32.18 | Jamash | time for midnight snax and ice cream |
| 05:32.40 | Amarande | soooo. |
| 05:32.58 | Amarande | will raid schedules that worked for Icecrown progression still be viable for progression in Cata, or will guilds need more nights a week again like most BC guilds did? |
| 05:33.38 | Dagmar | Let me restructure that question for you: "Will drama queens QQ about raid schedules they force upon themselves?" |
| 05:33.44 | Dagmar | The answer... a resounding yes. |
| 05:34.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: currently, for instance, we have one major raid night a week (Wednesday), and then as needed we arrange for a completion night later in the lockout period. |
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| 05:34.41 | Amarande | Will Cata raids generally need more time per week to learn than LK ones did, or will that still be good enough? |
| 05:36.20 | Mirrormn | it seems to me like the entry-level raids of cata have somewhat less content than icc + halion in terms of total bosses |
| 05:36.55 | Mirrormn | but right now a lot of guilds have ICC on heavy farm, one-shotting every boss |
| 05:37.13 | Dagmar | If you want, you can raid five nights a week |
| 05:37.13 | Mirrormn | even with less bosses in cata, people will probably have to raid more during progression anyway |
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| 05:39.11 | Mirrormn | on the other hand, I suspect Sinestra might be a huge stumbling block to high-end raiding guilds, I got the impression that they intentionally just overtuned her to keep people from getting bored |
| 05:39.39 | Jamash | she's the new algalon, isn't she? |
| 05:39.47 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 05:40.04 | Mirrormn | but possibly harder |
| 05:40.05 | Jamash | well then I should hope she's a block |
| 05:40.26 | Mirrormn | algalon dropped the same ilvl gear as hard mode ulduar bosses |
| 05:40.33 | Mirrormn | whereas sinestra is half a tier higher |
| 05:40.50 | Mirrormn | circumstantial evidence *shrug* |
| 05:43.04 | Mirrormn | point is, I would expect high-end raid guilds to spend a lot of raiding time doing endless attempts on sinestra |
| 05:44.21 | Amarande | Sinestra? the same Sinestra I met in Shadowmoon during the Netherwing stuff? |
| 05:44.37 | Jamash | yep |
| 05:44.37 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 05:44.46 | Mirrormn | aka Onyxia, iirc |
| 05:44.51 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: cross yer fingers .. I am leaving :P (though i still gotta go downstairs, might be on the laptop but not sure) |
| 05:44.52 | Jamash | nope |
| 05:44.54 | Jamash | onyxia's mom |
| 05:44.57 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 05:45.03 | Cairenn | good luck |
| 05:45.07 | MoonWitch|AFK | thanks :) |
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| 05:59.36 | Aurorus | alrighty...who has the party hats, cheese and crackers? |
| 05:59.44 | Aurorus | we can play! Cat has gone away :P |
| 06:04.49 | Amarande | cat? gone away? *shakes head to figure out if I've gone insane* |
| 06:05.32 | Aurorus | [4:59pm] Cairenn is now known as Cairenn|afk. |
| 06:05.48 | Aurorus | Amarande ^^ |
| 06:06.01 | Amarande | ok, why is Cairenn leaving something to be celebrated? |
| 06:06.11 | Amarande | have you been exposed to too much saronite lately? :) |
| 06:06.23 | Aurorus | possibly, but I deny everything :P |
| 06:06.56 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and now i am gone :) |
| 06:07.02 | Aurorus | cya MoonWitch|Mobile |
| 06:07.08 | Aurorus | enjoy yourself |
| 06:07.12 | MoonWitch|Mobile | see yaz .. hope i dont get mugged, raped or worse in brussels :P |
| 06:07.51 | Aurorus | wow, what a lovely thought :-/ (not) |
| 06:07.57 | Aurorus | ok, I'm off for a while too |
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| 06:18.01 | Amarande | wb Cairenn :) |
| 06:18.54 | a-stray-cat` | hm, why does StartSizing("CENTER") move instead size? |
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| 06:38.43 | Mirrormn | good old ustream using 1.3gb of ram in Chrome |
| 06:42.15 | Amarande | buy more RAM |
| 06:43.45 | Fisker | i'm sick Amarande |
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| 06:44.12 | Amarande | Fisker: you were supposed to run the necrotic plague to the adds, not keep it yourself :( |
| 06:50.06 | a-stray-cat` | you should run it to your mt for extra fun |
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| 06:50.44 | Amarande | a-stray-cat`: that happens in P1.5 |
| 06:50.56 | Amarande | not really much I can do about it if I get it then, either, since I'm MDPS |
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| 06:51.10 | Amarande | which means in my group during 1.5 there's me and the tanks pretty much :p |
| 06:51.18 | a-stray-cat` | really? we never move it to the mt :o |
| 06:51.19 | unfo- | melee dps from melee island! YARR HARR ARRR! |
| 06:51.40 | Amarande | let's see. either I go away from the raid (and then I'll be out of heals range and die) |
| 06:51.47 | a-stray-cat` | we just let the adds die on their own |
| 06:52.05 | Amarande | I'm talking about if the plague is still left over after remorseless winter starts and the ghouls/horrors are gone |
| 06:52.20 | Amarande | you end up with three groups, the tanks and melee, the ranged DPS, and the healers |
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| 06:52.31 | a-stray-cat` | you just cleanse it off right, it can't jump if there's no one to pass it to |
| 06:52.46 | Amarande | yeah, hopefully you can move beyond the tanks without being out of heal range. :) |
| 06:52.48 | unfo- | usually there is someone close by |
| 06:52.59 | Amarande | since if you go to the ranged, you're just going to let it go pinging among the raid |
| 06:53.09 | unfo- | yup |
| 06:53.12 | a-stray-cat` | i guess we usually have a pally handle the offtanking so he can cleanse himself, heh |
| 06:53.12 | Amarande | btw, for the plague stack based achievement |
| 06:53.25 | Amarande | is that the plague debuff stack itself you need, or is it the buff LK gets each time the plague pings? |
| 06:53.34 | a-stray-cat` | the former |
| 06:55.03 | a-stray-cat` | rather than transfer the plague right away, we had people just run away from everyone then get cleansed until he spawned the second wave of ghouls |
| 06:55.11 | a-stray-cat` | otherwise your adds wil die off and you will be sad |
| 06:56.23 | Amarande | we usually try to get it pinging among the ghouls quickly, so that it can get dumped on the shambling horror who will then just drop like a stone |
| 06:56.31 | Fisker | Amarande don't grow on trees |
| 06:56.36 | Amarande | it's too bad you can't dump it back onto the LK. :) |
| 06:57.05 | Amarande | after all ... my Death Knight diseases work on the LK, so obviously he's not immune to scourgey nastiness ... |
| 06:58.02 | Fisker | couldn't you renew it or something at some point because it was bugged? |
| 06:58.44 | a-stray-cat` | man startsizing is wierd :( |
| 06:59.02 | Amarande | I dunno. I've not seen that be bugged |
| 06:59.21 | Amarande | and our experience with bugs in ICC over the last three months or so has been quite the long strange journey |
| 06:59.40 | Fisker | Well it was like in the beginning or something :P |
| 06:59.41 | Amarande | I believe it began with the night that Muradin suddenly jumped up *between* the gunships and started throwing hammers at our tank for melee damage |
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| 06:59.52 | Fisker | Something to do with Death knights having some talents that renews diseases |
| 07:00.30 | Amarande | we did. (and now festering strike has a similar effect.) but it only works on our OWN diseases, not ones on the mob from other sources (even other DKs) |
| 07:00.57 | unfo- | Amarande, LOL @ Muradin :D |
| 07:01.35 | Fisker | i think the reason why it worked was because it counted as your own disease Amarande :P |
| 07:01.52 | Amarande | unfo: heh, yeah. not the worst bug I've heard of with the gunship battle though |
| 07:02.11 | Amarande | I heard this tale of someone who had the gunship register as not solid ... |
| 07:02.33 | Amarande | so they fell through, and because there's no actual world under the gunship, they just keep falling till z-coordinate underflow, then they wrap around and keep falling foreeeeeever |
| 07:02.46 | unfo- | :D |
| 07:03.00 | unfo- | turn on free-for-all and kill each other? |
| 07:03.32 | Amarande | dude, there's times I really wish you COULD PvP free for all lol |
| 07:04.05 | unfo- | i mean, how did they get out? |
| 07:04.10 | Fisker | i found out the hard way that "local gravity" only applies within a models "hitbox" |
| 07:04.22 | Fisker | i was jumping around on the baloons that are on the horde gunship |
| 07:04.41 | Fisker | So when we won and it flew it away, so did i because i didn't "follow it" as you would normally do :( |
| 07:08.44 | Amarande | sooo ... only four more weeks of ICC to go |
| 07:10.02 | Amarande | hopefully we can get our Bane of the Fallen King by the end |
| 07:10.31 | Amarande | we've become a good solid 8/12 HMs, but are still having issues with PP and Blood Princes on heroic and haven't even tried Sindy on H yet |
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| 07:15.24 | Fisker | we hopefully only have 15 hours of ICC left |
| 07:15.33 | Fisker | need HC LK, and we're done |
| 07:15.41 | Fisker | (Though i guess we'll be doing some farming, but still) |
| 07:19.08 | Amarande | heroic LK will pretty much be the end of the road for me for ICC too |
| 07:19.28 | Amarande | we only do 10's now, and everything I have is already 264 except for my 277 ashen verdict ring and a 251 and 245 trinket |
| 07:20.28 | Amarande | the bracers took the longest to replace, but I finally got my heroic Taiga Bindings tonight |
| 07:21.02 | Amarande | and to think this gear will all have been vendored by Christmas, except for a few of the cooler looking items like the LDW helm for old time's sake |
| 07:21.05 | Amarande | All loveliness fades, though |
| 07:21.37 | unfo- | can frost gear be vendored? |
| 07:21.47 | unfo- | iirc badge of justice couldn't |
| 07:21.55 | Amarande | yeah I don't think badge gear can be |
| 07:22.03 | Amarande | but gear from ICC drops can, of course |
| 07:22.11 | unfo- | ah good point |
| 07:22.24 | unfo- | i think i need to figure out a plan for myself for cata |
| 07:22.25 | Amarande | my only badge gear now though is my 2pt10, my relic and one trinket |
| 07:22.43 | Amarande | at least in the DPS set, I think I have a couple badge pieces in my tank set |
| 07:22.47 | unfo- | which char will be my main and level that to 85 and keep others at 80 till further notice |
| 07:23.47 | Fisker | we're doing 25-man Amarande |
| 07:23.50 | Fisker | and you know what sucks? |
| 07:23.58 | Fisker | The transition phase before Phase 3 |
| 07:24.01 | Fisker | 23 people alive |
| 07:24.01 | Amarande | Fisker: the platform being so small for defile? :) |
| 07:24.14 | Fisker | And an ice sphere sneaks in on our tanks without getting killed |
| 07:24.22 | Amarande | you know, speaking of that |
| 07:24.26 | Fisker | 21, no tanks. vs lk :( |
| 07:24.26 | Amarande | if you get wonked by an ice sphere |
| 07:24.30 | Amarande | does your corpse EVER stop moving? |
| 07:24.34 | Amarande | till you release, anyway |
| 07:24.37 | Fisker | not that i know of |
| 07:24.54 | Fisker | Infact at some point you get that far out that the game thinks you're in a zone that doesn't have it's data downloaded or something |
| 07:24.55 | Amarande | once it happened and I let it go for several minutes while the raid finished wiping and I'm like "am I ever going to stop" |
| 07:25.06 | Fisker | because suddenly the streaming icon appears when you go far enough |
| 07:25.12 | Amarande | Fisker: what happens then, you release to XR instead of Icecrown zone? |
| 07:25.23 | Fisker | nope still ICC |
| 07:25.37 | Fisker | don't know if you can get far enough out to release you in XR |
| 07:25.44 | Fisker | they probably have that one covered |
| 07:25.45 | unfo- | XR? |
| 07:25.54 | Fisker | crossroads |
| 07:25.56 | Amarande | I did have a weird bugup once in Icecrown (zone, not Citadel) where I ended up in XR |
| 07:25.58 | unfo- | aaa |
| 07:26.03 | Amarande | I tried to hearth off the horde zeppelin |
| 07:26.18 | Amarande | instead I ended up above the ocean far NW of icecrown, in fatigue area, and slow falling |
| 07:26.22 | Amarande | took me about half a minute to hit the water |
| 07:26.23 | Fisker | i once did a raid without any warlocks |
| 07:26.29 | Fisker | i think it was naxx |
| 07:26.31 | Fisker | then i died |
| 07:26.32 | Amarande | and then only a little bit after that, as I tried to swim back |
| 07:26.34 | Amarande | I just DIED |
| 07:26.34 | Fisker | crossroads ;_; |
| 07:26.46 | Amarande | there was still almost 30 seconds left on the fatigue timer, but I just instadied |
| 07:26.52 | Amarande | and when I released I was in XR and not Icecrown |
| 07:26.55 | Amarande | still don't know what happened there |
| 07:27.06 | unfo- | lol |
| 07:27.25 | Fisker | i wouldn't be surprised if they have an "instagib" past some parts of a zone |
| 07:28.08 | Amarande | never heard of that being the case before Fisker |
| 07:28.33 | Amarande | for Northrend and classic continents, it's just fatigue death eventually |
| 07:28.42 | Amarande | for Outland you hit an invisible wall if you try to fly too far away from the edge |
| 07:29.00 | Amarande | anyway |
| 07:29.01 | Amarande | night folks :) |
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| 08:29.11 | TMc51 | good mornin' |
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| 09:49.53 | jnwhiteh | Hjalte: that's in release now |
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| 09:58.35 | unfo- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0PAgrm8nqg -.- |
| 10:03.15 | jnwhiteh | is there a macro conditional that you can use based on which talent spec you have enabled? |
| 10:07.40 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, pretty sure there is |
| 10:07.43 | adys_ | dont remember which tho |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | spec |
| 10:07.48 | jnwhiteh | just found it! |
| 10:07.56 | adys_ | ah |
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| 10:46.15 | Hjalte | jnwhiteh: I don't find the role toggle in the options. I'm using latest version, v40000-1.2.2. I'm sure you hid it from me! |
| 10:46.47 | jnwhiteh | its on the 'Config' tag |
| 10:46.54 | jnwhiteh | err General Options |
| 10:47.34 | Hjalte | General Options? |
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| 10:47.36 | jnwhiteh | i need to fix some bugs with it, but its there and works =) |
| 10:47.38 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:47.44 | jnwhiteh | PerfectRaid -> General options |
| 10:48.19 | Hjalte | jnwhiteh: I do /perfectraid and go to the config tab? |
| 10:48.50 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.57 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 10:48.58 | jnwhiteh | ROLE |
| 10:49.00 | jnwhiteh | sorry!! |
| 10:49.02 | Hjalte | Exactly |
| 10:49.04 | jnwhiteh | no, dont have it yet :P |
| 10:49.06 | jnwhiteh | but need it |
| 10:49.59 | Hjalte | Cheers, that'd be great. I guess you implemented raid icons, but not the role ones yet but the other author removed both addons? |
| 10:50.21 | jnwhiteh | i didn't implement raid icons either |
| 10:50.24 | jnwhiteh | someone submitted a patch |
| 10:50.27 | jnwhiteh | i dont have much time for praid at the moment |
| 10:50.36 | jnwhiteh | and it needs to be massively reworked in order to make it easier to add stuff. |
| 10:50.37 | jnwhiteh | but alas |
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| 12:19.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: that weird eye picture facebook thing, that's me |
| 12:22.15 | haste | "wierd eye picture |
| 12:22.26 | haste | needs more ending " |
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| 12:22.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it's basically an editted picture of my eye :P |
| 12:23.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | haste, I'll try to sort how patches work on git in a bit, then I'll submit it for your review :) |
| 12:25.16 | amro | ideally, you'd put up your branch somewhere for merging |
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| 12:25.47 | Kalroth | steals hastes " |
| 12:26.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | amro: I just haven't quite gotten around to getting my experimental branch and the master branch of my fork of hasts addon to merge... |
| 12:26.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so a pull request would look odd i think |
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| 12:45.30 | Lulia | sighs at the dropdown menu. |
| 12:46.51 | alestane | If you're talking about the one in WoW, it's sighable. |
| 12:47.19 | Lulia | Been hacking at it for about 2 hours between this morning and last night |
| 12:47.40 | Lulia | And the best I've gotten is something that LOOKS like a dropdown menu but just moves up and to the right a little when I click on it. |
| 12:49.35 | Lulia | Or now it's just moving up a little, no going to the right. Not sure if that's an improvement orn ot. |
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| 12:56.32 | Computerpunk | sighs at school. |
| 12:57.00 | Computerpunk | is gone for guitar lessons. =D |
| 12:57.20 | Lulia | ta |
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| 12:58.11 | alestane | G'morning. |
| 12:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi to you! |
| 12:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | UI, I almost has it! Updates... well, it says I have more updates! Cannot play! |
| 12:58.50 | Lulia | Hi, Lopeppeppy. |
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| 12:59.00 | alestane | Has it at least been going smooth so far (albeit very slow). |
| 12:59.41 | Lopeppeppy | Smooth... no. Slow, obnoxious, yes. |
| 12:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lulia. |
| 13:00.28 | alestane | But doth it vex you with errors? |
| 13:00.53 | Lulia | ~Lopeppeppy |
| 13:00.53 | purl | I'm a ventrol-lol-iquist-er-izer. -- Lopeppeppy |
| 13:01.01 | Lulia | rawr |
| 13:02.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yay and verily, it doth not open when I clicketh. It crasheth when I launch. Rawr is the language which I shall describe my pain. When rawr meaneth that love which smothers the recipient, and sees them buried cold in the ground, with mourners all around, who then go on to have a wicked damn good party without the annoying bastard they murdered... um... |
| 13:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 13:02.36 | Lulia | At least you don't have a broken dropdown menu, Lopeppeppy. |
| 13:02.38 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 13:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | I just ain't got no stinkin' entree, Lulia. Menu be blasted, I'd take one of those too. :) |
| 13:03.09 | alestane | Out of curiosity, Peppy, have you ever in this string of grumpies scanned the drive for errors? |
| 13:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 13:03.38 | alestane | I presume so. |
| 13:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | I uninstalled, defragged, and then re-installed from scratch. |
| 13:04.08 | alestane | Defragging should have identified file system errors, I would think. |
| 13:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | defrag rate was low, so that really shouldn't have been a contributer. |
| 13:04.26 | alestane | It's not just fragmentation, though. |
| 13:04.55 | alestane | Lost file block glitches and whatnot. |
| 13:05.26 | alestane | Sorry, just doing the tech support-y thing. |
| 13:06.51 | alestane | If you pull up the properties for a drive, there should be a scan for errors button in one of the tabs. |
| 13:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'll poke at it tonight, if I skip group dinner. |
| 13:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'm just mostly cheesed that it said it was done. I went and got some addons to set up a nice UI. Then it said, "ZOMG, I downloads more! You no play with candles!" |
| 13:08.20 | Lulia | :P |
| 13:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | I just about burned the laptop right there. |
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| 13:10.13 | Lulia | I want to destroy my AddOn to tiny little pieces. |
| 13:10.27 | alestane | Just, you've been having these problems for so long, through so many installs and whatnot, I really start to think there's an illness beyond the WoW installation. |
| 13:10.39 | alestane | Take five, Lulia. |
| 13:10.59 | tolkad | !title ~undying |
| 13:11.05 | tolkad | what's wrong with wowbot? |
| 13:11.22 | Thunder_Child | we have a wowbot? |
| 13:11.30 | tolkad | yeah, it doesn't work though |
| 13:11.30 | Thunder_Child | so we do |
| 13:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, the laptop is getting windows 7 over Thanksgiving or Xmas break. Anything underlying will freakin' disappear then. |
| 13:12.37 | alestane | Especially if it gets a reformat in the process. |
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| 13:14.24 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/lol/WoWScrnShot_110410_151156.jpg |
| 13:14.45 | Lulia | alestane: I slept on it, I think that's taking 5 |
| 13:15.10 | unfo- | mikma, :-o |
| 13:22.40 | Kraps | man, is this worth $30? |
| 13:23.09 | unfo- | what? |
| 13:23.33 | Kraps | membership to kellyclarkson.com |
| 13:23.48 | amro | no |
| 13:23.50 | unfo- | exits stage left |
| 13:24.00 | Kraps | :( |
| 13:24.05 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, buy a membership to the YMCA instead. |
| 13:25.18 | Kraps | what |
| 13:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | in 5 years Kelly Clarkson will be a hag, but you will have a healthier heart. |
| 13:26.28 | Kraps | i'm almost offended by that |
| 13:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Which part, that I think she'll fade out fast, or that you could get more out of the Y? |
| 13:27.18 | Kraps | the former |
| 13:28.32 | Kraps | HATERS GONNA HATE and sundry phrases |
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| 13:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | She's doing well enough for now, so if you want to be a fan, have a good time of it. |
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| 13:30.29 | Kraps | gee thanks :p |
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| 13:34.39 | Kraps | http://www.massively.com/2010/10/26/champions-online-going-f2p/ |
| 13:37.14 | Mikk | i need that too |
| 13:37.17 | Mikk | need more storage characters |
| 13:37.50 | airtonix | lewl |
| 13:38.12 | airtonix | i might try it out if it runs in wine |
| 13:38.56 | airtonix | who am i kidding... no i won't |
| 13:39.00 | Mikk | ^^ |
| 13:39.14 | Ackis | throws up. |
| 13:39.38 | Kraps | Ackis: need a bukkit? |
| 13:39.50 | industrial | does it include a char creation that will have me spend 10 hours on creating a char? |
| 13:39.55 | Ackis | Kraps: maybe |
| 13:40.21 | airtonix | industrial, it doubles as a petabit certificate generator |
| 13:40.33 | Ackis | http://www.themexbox.com/index.php?topic=2112.msg30612;topicseen#new apparently you can be a fury on xbox live now |
| 13:40.36 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: ^ |
| 13:40.50 | industrial | airtonix: \o/ reason to play it \o/ |
| 13:41.16 | airtonix | if i move my mouse around for that long, i expect something useful |
| 13:42.39 | Thunder_Child | like a medical problem? |
| 13:42.51 | zenzio | I always think it's interesting how many RPG-like games let you seriously customise your character's face, when you usually seem to spend five minutes before you get your first helmet that covers your whole head |
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| 13:43.17 | Thunder_Child | that never happened in the elder scrolls series did it? |
| 13:44.59 | Kraps | industrial: if you subscribe you can get 10 hours of char creation, the server is down so i cant test the f2p version |
| 13:45.05 | Mirrormn | I was just playing FalloutNV and was given the chance to customize my face |
| 13:45.17 | Mirrormn | only problem is, all of the faces were horrendously ugly |
| 13:46.01 | Mirrormn | looked like socks filled with pig vomit |
| 13:46.26 | Mirrormn | thankfully, I managed to side-step the issue by giving my character a big manly beard |
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| 13:47.03 | industrial | haha |
| 13:47.24 | Thunder_Child | "The sequel to the best-selling worldwide hit "Farming Simulator" has loads of new features!" this seems rather fishy to me |
| 13:47.28 | Mirrormn | he looks a lot like the Most Interesting Man In The World guy from those beer commercials now, actually |
| 13:47.34 | industrial | SIGH twitter your site is so WEIRD! |
| 13:47.48 | industrial | it uses ajax crap for most buttons, then most buttons keep spinning forever for me ... |
| 13:48.02 | industrial | it actually does the tweet but the page just doesn't respond |
| 13:49.00 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: like i said, even "ship simulator" looks more interesting |
| 13:49.32 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: my issue is with "Best-selling worldwide hit" |
| 13:49.43 | Kraps | lol |
| 13:49.55 | Lopeppeppy | indie, the "New Twitter" is largely broken. |
| 13:50.21 | Kraps | "Best-selling worldwide hit" of a farm sim... because its the only one! |
| 13:56.49 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: broken how? |
| 13:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | Can't click the tabs, tweets don't post, or post multiple times, can't do searches, etc. |
| 13:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | It's quite fail. |
| 13:59.21 | zenzio | I haven't had any trouble posting, but I don't do it much |
| 13:59.28 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2010/11/04/epic-fail-photos-candy-fail-3/ |
| 14:01.25 | Lopeppeppy | I post multiple times a day with the work account, it drives me craaaaazy. |
| 14:02.46 | zenzio | http://ugliesttattoos.failblog.org/2010/11/04/funny-tattoos-made-in-china/ (shouldn't be NSFW, but who knows) |
| 14:09.40 | MoonWitch|AFK | Cairenn? |
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| 14:10.12 | zenzio | I doubt that's cairenn |
| 14:10.41 | MoonWitch|AFK | well it doesn't say afk next to her name, so I typed her name to see if she's here :) |
| 14:11.02 | zenzio | lies, you were suggesting it was her in the picture |
| 14:11.34 | MoonWitch | well, if that's Cairenn in the picture ... I am so getting a PM going NOW :P |
| 14:11.46 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy can come too :) I wouldn't exclude her |
| 14:12.40 | MoonWitch | we should make a naughtywowuidev chan :) |
| 14:12.49 | alestane | I don't think she's got the away thing as well set up, she's on a borrowed computer right now. |
| 14:12.50 | zenzio | that would be redundant |
| 14:13.07 | MoonWitch | alestane: that I did not know but would explain some stuff |
| 14:13.15 | MoonWitch | I've never gotten it set up decently either |
| 14:13.42 | MoonWitch | (I want to set it up to /nick me on away) |
| 14:14.40 | alestane | But here, have a silly: http://notalwaysright.com/fruity-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/8056 |
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| 14:15.22 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1050211 |
| 14:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a picture of me, I won't stand in the sun. |
| 14:17.32 | MoonWitch | alestane Being a lesbian pagan person kinda messes up some people when presented with. |
| 14:17.38 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: I'm afraid we'll need proof |
| 14:17.40 | MoonWitch | (and yes, that sentence confuses me too) |
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| 14:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, check the old blizcon pictures. I wear black, no sunshines on my head. |
| 14:18.26 | MoonWitch | 2009 pics? |
| 14:18.26 | zenzio | MoonWitch: the only confusing bit (to me) is why you mention "pagan"; does that change anything? |
| 14:18.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think... 2008? I forget. Not this year, not last year. |
| 14:18.41 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: those don't prove you have no "Made in China"-tattoo |
| 14:18.54 | MoonWitch | zenzio, when wearing a pentagram or pentacle - you totally mess up some folks |
| 14:19.07 | MoonWitch | (been banned from the local church on sight by the priest btw) |
| 14:19.20 | zenzio | that sounds different from paganism |
| 14:19.30 | zenzio | unless I've misunderstood what that's about |
| 14:19.40 | MoonWitch | well yes, but I'd rather include all polytheistic systems |
| 14:19.46 | alestane | Well, wearing pentagles is a common practice among many pagans, especially Wiccans. |
| 14:19.51 | MoonWitch | hence Pagan was easier to describe it |
| 14:19.56 | MoonWitch | not just wiccans though :) |
| 14:20.12 | MoonWitch | < wears a pentacle, but is not Wiccan per definition |
| 14:20.18 | alestane | I did say "among many pagans." |
| 14:20.38 | zenzio | I think most people who think religon has anything to do with homosexuality would be more troubled if you said "lesbian christian" |
| 14:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | oh, zenzio, um... maybe alestane would know that. I can't think of anyone else in channel who would. |
| 14:21.10 | alestane | Know what, Peppy? |
| 14:21.23 | MoonWitch | zenzio, while you don't... I've heard pretty weird stuff :P |
| 14:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | whether I have a tattoo. |
| 14:22.04 | MoonWitch | you have one |
| 14:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | You may prefer not to comment, from not having a good memory of such. It's okay. |
| 14:22.23 | zenzio | alestane: see the ugliesttattoos-link I posted a little bit up (roughly 20 minutes) |
| 14:22.39 | alestane | Yeah...gonna plead the Fourth on that one. |
| 14:22.59 | MoonWitch | you have one -- pretty sure |
| 14:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | I do wish I had a tattoo. I know exactly what i will get. |
| 14:23.27 | zenzio | something foxy? |
| 14:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, are you sure you want to plead "unauthorized search and seizure" with me? :) |
| 14:23.30 | alestane | You can see in the second picture there where they airbrushed out the "made in china". |
| 14:23.35 | MoonWitch | < watching American Pie |
| 14:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sooooo foxy, zenzio. |
| 14:24.09 | zenzio | alestane: people fake pictures on the intarwebs? What's the world coming to! |
| 14:24.27 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i'll plead against the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent. |
| 14:24.46 | Kraps | one of the pressing issues of our time |
| 14:26.35 | alestane | This is still my favorite on the topic, MoonWitch: http://notalwaysright.com/thank-you-for-shopping-at-apocalypsemart/1191 |
| 14:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | This, zenzio. |
| 14:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.rhpotter.com/tattoos/kitsuneascendant.html |
| 14:27.22 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: that could actually look pretty good as a tattoo |
| 14:27.32 | MoonWitch | alestane: epic .... |
| 14:27.35 | alestane | Oh, Peppy, very nice. |
| 14:28.38 | zenzio | http://averagecats.com/submissions/cat_uploads/a4ca77e9c40a19.jpg |
| 14:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | I have a girlfriend who does great blackwork tattoos... I just have to get brave enough! |
| 14:29.14 | zenzio | or drunk, that works for a lot of people |
| 14:29.18 | MoonWitch | no |
| 14:29.35 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy: whatever you do, don't get one drunk... Get a tattoo to mark something special |
| 14:29.49 | zenzio | MoonWitch: cause I was being totally serious, like I always am |
| 14:29.52 | MoonWitch | I got my first one as marker that my body was completely mine. |
| 14:30.46 | MoonWitch | and the runner up will be to mark my rebirth and completion of change. |
| 14:30.47 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 14:31.02 | alestane | One of my friends has his daughter's name around his calf in Elvish. |
| 14:31.10 | alestane | It's pretty gorgeous. |
| 14:32.00 | MoonWitch | then I'd be stuck with Ancient as language :P |
| 14:33.25 | Lopeppeppy | I would get it drunk, since I have already decided the what and where and the who and just lack the courage. Except she won't work on drunk people. So the point is mooooted. |
| 14:33.43 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5bbz5SB7M |
| 14:34.36 | MoonWitch | I wanted to get a branding, but very little folks here do it. |
| 14:34.52 | zenzio | branding? |
| 14:35.03 | zenzio | MoonWitch, brought to you by Coca-Cola |
| 14:35.04 | MoonWitch | they burn a pattern into your skin |
| 14:35.13 | zenzio | oh, like cattle? |
| 14:35.16 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 14:35.17 | MoonWitch | \ |
| 14:35.25 | alestane | Decorative burn scarring, zenzio. |
| 14:35.28 | Kraps | http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/mctW83zcfNcPrbdOzVC2s0y_EubMlTO-sQ-mUWOdaZxXz9D4r1JUlGFpq1xYJp8qwHv2IXrFMAkLy_qycVNbisTLqRBm6Q-IBoacmCnz4OPqDBiURUoAYZVa6cWna-HnDSHVjqtsJumrEDtLWuqnQhAWc2fJ16WkDMAWCpWPowg6ib02VcI9 |
| 14:35.49 | zenzio | is branding better than tattooing? (I know precious little about either) |
| 14:36.02 | MoonWitch | tattooing is ink on needles into your skin |
| 14:36.11 | alestane | That would depend on what you meant by "better". |
| 14:36.15 | Kraps | branding hurts more |
| 14:36.19 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:36.24 | MoonWitch | branding is 3rd degree burns with the intention of slightly infecting so it remains a scar |
| 14:36.59 | MoonWitch | they don't do it like with cattle though :P |
| 14:37.24 | MoonWitch | they use more or less like a soldering iron or surgical cauterizer |
| 14:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | They are both body modification, zenzio. Branding is less easy to get done, because of the deliberate infection procedures and the extra training, and I think it qualifies as surgery... etc. |
| 14:39.18 | alestane | There's also scarification. |
| 14:40.13 | Kraps | is for less body cutting :( |
| 14:40.56 | alestane | Tattoing generally involves the least trauma of the three. |
| 14:41.02 | MoonWitch | indeed |
| 14:41.33 | alestane | Piercing involves a highly variable level, depending on what you want done. |
| 14:41.33 | zenzio | I'm not inherently against tattooing, but I find a lot of people get far too big tattoos, and/or in the wrong places |
| 14:41.39 | Hirsute | stops following the conversation. Treated too many people who've caused real problems with branding and cutting. |
| 14:41.54 | MoonWitch | Hirsute: treated? |
| 14:41.58 | zenzio | Hirsute: you a doctor? |
| 14:42.17 | Hirsute | Almost, just about to graduate from medical school. |
| 14:42.19 | MoonWitch | and that's why I am not getting a branding here -- there's no legal checkup or certification |
| 14:42.29 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, where is the "right" place? |
| 14:43.23 | MoonWitch | omg -- american pie .. the pie scene |
| 14:43.29 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: this is all obviously my opinoin, but first of all I think that depends on the size of the tattoo. Either way, I tend to not appreciate when the chest or torso is tattooed, or the face |
| 14:43.30 | Kraps | a tramp stamp is the only legit one imo |
| 14:43.35 | zenzio | also my opinion |
| 14:43.35 | Kraps | hides |
| 14:43.54 | zenzio | Kraps: one day you'll regret getting your tramp stamp |
| 14:44.04 | Kraps | hey now |
| 14:44.13 | Kraps | i like mine |
| 14:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'm thinking my shoulder, either in front or on the back. The kitsune would probably be about 2" x 2" |
| 14:45.17 | MoonWitch | I'd get a branding on my arm (inner left forearm) but there's pre-existing scarring, which is why I'd have a tattoo put over it. |
| 14:45.54 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/military-discount-can-save-an-arm-and-a-leg/8089 |
| 14:45.54 | zenzio | shoulders are fine |
| 14:46.47 | MoonWitch | actually Peppy, the rule is -- the less fatty tissue on the location of the tattoo, the worse the pain. |
| 14:47.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Ankles and ears are the worst. |
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| 14:49.09 | Ackis | I'm in a real grumpy mood today and I don't know why |
| 14:49.27 | MoonWitch | based on the loss of fatty tissue now ... a new tattoo is gonna freaking hurt like hell lol |
| 14:49.36 | MoonWitch | Ackis have a cookie |
| 14:49.42 | MoonWitch | or do you want a hug :) |
| 14:50.11 | Ackis | I might snap and bite your head off for either of those things :( |
| 14:50.17 | A-KO | meh, I don't find tattoos attractive on women :P |
| 14:50.21 | MoonWitch | you won't ... |
| 14:50.26 | A-KO | And especailly so when they're tramp stamps, lol |
| 14:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | Do Want. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kythryne/5144453836/in/set-72157625182591511/ |
| 14:50.58 | Ackis | I have a tattoo |
| 14:51.08 | Baps | "De plane! De plane!" ?? |
| 14:51.47 | zenzio | http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8229/pinkwing.jpg o_O |
| 14:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | .... eew. I didn't know that dragons came in Teletubby colors. |
| 14:54.01 | MoonWitch | going for a smoke |
| 14:54.12 | MoonWitch | and Ackis -- hugs :) |
| 14:54.29 | Ackis | ty and have fun smoking |
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| 14:57.26 | Ackis | ~dict disc |
| 14:57.27 | Ackis | ~dict disk |
| 14:57.55 | Ackis | disc and disk confuse me |
| 14:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | I think of disc as being medical, a body part. And disk is an object I don't mind breaking, like a frisbee disk. |
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| 15:02.18 | Ackis | http://en.burgerking.ca/en/us/campaigns/bkkids.html:( 6 animals for kinectimals if you buy BK stuff heh |
| 15:03.03 | Ackis | I've always seen disc used to for CD"s |
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| 15:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Compact Disk? Compact Disc? Hmmmm. |
| 15:07.42 | Computerpunk | ~dict cd |
| 15:07.49 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 15:08.11 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:08.15 | Ackis | that was kind of fail |
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| 15:11.52 | Lopeppeppy | Compact Disk is a bank thing? What the hell? Never heard that. |
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| 15:14.11 | alestane | Certificate of Deposit is, and often abbreviated CD...that seems a little confused. |
| 15:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Okay, I get it as Certificate of Deposit > CD > Compact Derp a derp |
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| 15:21.40 | MoonWitch | LMAO @ American Pie |
| 15:21.53 | MoonWitch | especially the CC to the entire campus lol |
| 15:23.36 | alestane | You haven't seen it before, MoonWitch? |
| 15:23.41 | MoonWitch | honestly, no |
| 15:23.47 | MoonWitch | never seen any of them |
| 15:25.45 | alestane | Actually, I read about someone doing very nearly that in real life...A fellow at Cornell was shooting his girlfriend a set of emails back and forth about how horny they were and how much they'd rather be meeting for a few drinks and a trip home than working right now, and then he accidentally sent one near the end of the chain - including all the previous quoted emails - to the entire Cornell University email system. |
| 15:26.06 | MoonWitch | ouch |
| 15:26.09 | alestane | And neither his wife nor her husband was thrilled to hear about it. |
| 15:26.16 | MoonWitch | I can imagine |
| 15:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | Wooot. |
| 15:26.57 | alestane | Woot, Peppy? |
| 15:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | Why not woot. |
| 15:27.11 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 15:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | I find it hilarious. Secrets will always bite yo uin the arse. |
| 15:27.17 | alestane | Woot for anything in particular, or just woot? |
| 15:27.30 | alestane | They will do that, yes. |
| 15:27.58 | alestane | Any strategy predicated on someone else not knowing what's going on is pretty much doomed to fail. |
| 15:28.22 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause people are scht'pd when it comes to seekrits and bukkits and lies and so forth. |
| 15:28.37 | MoonWitch | whaa? |
| 15:29.06 | alestane | "stupid when it come to secrets" etc. |
| 15:29.12 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 15:29.14 | MoonWitch | thanks :) |
| 15:29.23 | alestane | Not sure what bukkits are doing in there. |
| 15:29.47 | alestane | goes back to napping on Peppy's feet. |
| 15:30.02 | jnwhiteh | I feel better now |
| 15:30.07 | jnwhiteh | bought another 5 books for my Kindle |
| 15:30.16 | alestane | Oh good. How were you feeling poorly? |
| 15:31.15 | Lopeppeppy | He was out of books! |
| 15:31.15 | jnwhiteh | because I had no books waiting to be read!! |
| 15:31.23 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: close, I just had the one I was reading |
| 15:31.25 | jnwhiteh | and that concerns me |
| 15:31.30 | jnwhiteh | none of the new ones are fantasy tho |
| 15:31.33 | jnwhiteh | I can't find another good author |
| 15:31.55 | alestane | I've just started Lynn Flewelling on Peppy's recommendation. |
| 15:32.26 | jnwhiteh | I try to get suggestions on goodreads, but don't have any fantasy reader friends there :P |
| 15:32.58 | Lopeppeppy | Christopher Moore! His crap is hilarious and such a light read. |
| 15:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | Coyote Blue is for the very win. |
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| 15:33.30 | jnwhiteh | Bah, only one Lynn Flewelling on Kindle |
| 15:33.32 | jnwhiteh | and its a collab. |
| 15:34.03 | amro | l2paperback |
| 15:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | She's just starting to get into Kindle, I follow her LJ. |
| 15:34.26 | jnwhiteh | amro: i travel too much to be buying books right now, which is why i bought my kindle. |
| 15:34.39 | jnwhiteh | BUT THANKS FOR JUDGING! |
| 15:34.46 | amro | NO PROBLEM! |
| 15:34.56 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: added Christopher Moore to my to-read list |
| 15:34.58 | amro | it wasn't at all me being jealous cause I don't have a kindle |
| 15:35.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | His newer stuff is better than his older stuff IMO, jnwhiteh. Start with Coyote Blue, Stupidest Angel, Fluke, the one about death. |
| 15:35.56 | jnwhiteh | I'm currently caught up on George R. R. Martin, Robin Hobb, Trudi Canavan, Robert Jordan, Brandon Sanderson, Raymond E. Feist, Terry Brooks |
| 15:36.01 | jnwhiteh | god there's probably one more I'm forgetting |
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| 15:37.25 | jnwhiteh | I could try the Belgariad again |
| 15:37.33 | jnwhiteh | I didn't get into it tho =/ |
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| 15:38.32 | Cide | hi |
| 15:38.41 | MoonWitch | hey Cide |
| 15:39.49 | MoonWitch | how bad is it to go nap at 5PM? |
| 15:39.51 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 15:39.54 | Cide | normal |
| 15:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | Nap is gooooood! |
| 15:40.12 | Computerpunk | KoRn - Justin |
| 15:40.14 | Computerpunk | I so love the song. |
| 15:40.15 | Computerpunk | For some time. |
| 15:45.10 | MoonWitch | so american pie is all about having sex for the first time? |
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| 15:46.35 | nevcairiel | looks like the latest beta build fixed the restricted env already, yay |
| 15:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | or not-having sex. |
| 15:46.53 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yay! |
| 15:47.04 | MoonWitch | Peppy, I should have said "the attempt at having sex for the first time" |
| 15:47.20 | Fisker | i have hate jnwhiteh |
| 15:47.28 | jnwhiteh | I have hate jnwhiteh too |
| 15:47.38 | Ackis | when american pie came out, there were multiple news stories about burnt wieners |
| 15:47.53 | Lopeppeppy | Green... Simon Green? The Nightside series. Jim Butcher, both of his series. |
| 15:48.15 | Computerpunk | By the way guys. |
| 15:48.26 | Fisker | i have 4 huge holes in my forearm jnwhiteh |
| 15:48.30 | Computerpunk | Anyone have any idea why windows' clickthrough settings don't save through sessions/ |
| 15:48.41 | MoonWitch | Computerpunk: nope |
| 15:48.51 | Computerpunk | Anyone else experiencing it in any addon? |
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| 15:49.02 | MoonWitch | nope |
| 15:49.22 | Computerpunk | k. |
| 15:49.34 | Fisker | pl0x jnwhiteh |
| 15:49.43 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: why holes? |
| 15:50.12 | alestane | Yes, MoonWitch, it's about getting laid before they graduate. |
| 15:50.33 | MoonWitch | damn 18yo single-malt ... |
| 15:50.38 | MoonWitch | that's gotta be strong crap |
| 15:51.01 | Fisker | jnwhiteh had a cat on the roof |
| 15:51.11 | Fisker | wasn't happy about the way i rescued it |
| 15:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof. Clean those VERY well, Fisker. Cat bites and scratches get infected super-quick. |
| 15:52.08 | Fisker | already used that shit you rub in a wound that stings |
| 15:52.11 | Fisker | (not salt) |
| 15:52.18 | MoonWitch | LOL |
| 15:52.20 | Ackis | uh oh once bitten by a cat, you become one |
| 15:52.27 | Fisker | oh god yes Ackis |
| 15:52.31 | Fisker | that would be fucking awesome |
| 15:52.42 | Fisker | just laying in bed all day, maybe eat a bit, etc. |
| 15:52.48 | nevcairiel | iodine? |
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| 15:52.55 | Ackis | and being able to lick your own anus right Fisker? |
| 15:53.04 | Fisker | and being run over by a car Ackis |
| 15:53.05 | MoonWitch | Ackis just had to go there |
| 15:53.06 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 15:54.20 | MoonWitch | well ... I didn't know that about band camp |
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| 15:54.30 | MoonWitch | (shoulda studied music I guess) |
| 15:54.41 | Ackis | there's a joke in fable 3 about a dog licking it's own bum |
| 15:54.57 | MoonWitch | and wtg Finch |
| 15:54.59 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 15:56.06 | alestane | MoonWitch, I haven't actually seen the other movies, but I guess in the second one Jim needs advice and coaching about sex, so in order to get help from Michelle he spends the summer at band camp. |
| 15:56.55 | alestane | The phrase "...and this one time, at band camp..." has become something of an inside joke in a lot a circles. |
| 15:58.26 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: got the patch? |
| 15:58.52 | alestane | vis. http://www.thewotch.com/?date=2002-12-09 |
| 15:59.09 | Ackis | http://illadore.livejournal.com/30674.html copyright infringement ftl |
| 16:03.55 | nicoli_s | thats bullshit |
| 16:04.01 | jnwhiteh | mitchnull: yes, haven't looked at it yet. |
| 16:04.04 | nicoli_s | especially the "the original was crap so you cant be mad" part |
| 16:05.03 | jnwhiteh | mitchnull: sticking with .staticIcon? |
| 16:05.09 | MoonWitch | In her case, I'd call a lawyer in all honesty |
| 16:05.13 | MoonWitch | going for smoke again |
| 16:07.40 | jnwhiteh | mitchnull: its been pushed to curse, should show up as an alpha |
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| 16:11.42 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: I'm not sure about .staticIcon |
| 16:11.53 | jnwhiteh | well its being done =) |
| 16:11.55 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:11.55 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: maybe .simpleIcon would be better |
| 16:12.02 | mitchnull | oh well ;) |
| 16:12.08 | mitchnull | worse things happened at sea |
| 16:12.32 | ccox | Ackis - yeah, lawyer time. |
| 16:13.11 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: no StaticArrow.tga in the fresh pull from curse |
| 16:13.36 | jnwhiteh | its there |
| 16:13.45 | mitchnull | hrmp |
| 16:13.49 | jnwhiteh | one sec |
| 16:14.03 | mitchnull | how do I get some info out of git? :) |
| 16:14.20 | nevcairiel | what info? |
| 16:14.31 | jnwhiteh | try again |
| 16:14.34 | mitchnull | some general info, where's my head etc |
| 16:14.54 | nevcairiel | your head is hopefully where its supposed to be |
| 16:14.54 | MoonWitch|Mobile | your heads on your shoulders |
| 16:15.04 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: it's there |
| 16:15.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | great minds eh nev? |
| 16:15.31 | jnwhiteh | let's not go too far |
| 16:15.33 | jnwhiteh | and just say 'minds'. |
| 16:15.33 | jnwhiteh | kk? |
| 16:15.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: hush |
| 16:15.48 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:15.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | let me have my moment of bliss |
| 16:15.53 | Fisker | damn |
| 16:16.01 | mitchnull | and I didn't commit my staticIcon thing to Bazooka from work :( |
| 16:16.08 | Fisker | cthulhu in South Park looks like something out of WoW |
| 16:16.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i am hoping i can bring home my work laptop so i can properly configure it |
| 16:16.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ya know, get lua, python and git going |
| 16:16.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | drop photoshop on it |
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| 16:17.16 | kneeki_ | Morning everyone! |
| 16:17.34 | nevcairiel | isnt that what a work laptop is for, taking it home so you can work from home? |
| 16:17.37 | MoonWitch|Mobile | my potential employer/manager suggested i started using mac...told him to go on and order me a 17 inch macbook pro :P |
| 16:18.00 | Cide | well played |
| 16:18.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | for some reason in belgium they love using laptops in support jobs, where they're used as desktops (aka usually you can't take em home) |
| 16:18.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Cide: I thought so too :) |
| 16:18.30 | mitchnull | nev: I hate laptops |
| 16:18.52 | mitchnull | nev: but now I added the feature in less keystrokes, so I'm happy ;) |
| 16:18.52 | nevcairiel | what else is there when you want to be mobile :) |
| 16:19.12 | kneeki_ | MoonWitch|Mobile: I did the same thing to my boss a few weeks ago. I now have a Macbook on my desk that I don't use. -.- |
| 16:19.34 | kneeki_ | One thing I like though, is the touchpad. That thing is sweet |
| 16:19.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | considering I may end up working for Ogone, and would be allowed to work in their code base, I am finding it amusing.... |
| 16:19.51 | Nexiuz | hmm quick question. If PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is fired then it's already to late I think to change a secure button? |
| 16:20.00 | jnwhiteh | that's your last chance |
| 16:20.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | can't code a decent addon, but for an online secure payment method, I would be allowed to muck around in its code? awesome |
| 16:20.06 | jnwhiteh | at that point InCombatLockdown( ) is still false |
| 16:20.15 | Nexiuz | perfect! |
| 16:20.39 | nevcairiel | You would be terrified for the code most businesses use |
| 16:20.46 | nevcairiel | by the code* |
| 16:20.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | from what he told me, I lready am |
| 16:21.08 | MoonWitch|Mobile | most clients dislike php and prefer asp |
| 16:21.14 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that's a worse start... |
| 16:21.17 | nevcairiel | thats not such a bad thing |
| 16:21.37 | MoonWitch|Mobile | when he then told me the UI had been improved, I wondered what it looked like before. Cuz it still looks like crap |
| 16:21.46 | MoonWitch|Mobile | < doesn't know shit about asp |
| 16:21.49 | nevcairiel | asp.net with c# is way more powerful then php |
| 16:21.51 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: couldn't you somehow separate the scraping part from LH so that I could grab it via git/svn/hg? :) |
| 16:22.04 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 16:22.05 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:22.11 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol |
| 16:22.12 | mitchnull | meh :( |
| 16:22.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | he innocently goes "nope" |
| 16:22.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so cute |
| 16:22.29 | mitchnull | it's the only addon I have to manually grab |
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| 16:22.57 | jnwhiteh | that's not sufficient reason for me to change anything, no offense =) |
| 16:23.16 | mitchnull | still meg |
| 16:23.19 | mitchnull | meh even |
| 16:23.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | also : I was asked if I liked computers.. told em that if given the chance, I'd go Borg :) (and added a "Seven of Nine, so hot" comment) The manager got the joke, the HR person didn't. |
| 16:23.25 | nevcairiel | maybe we can buy our lazyness, how many curse points would it take ?:p |
| 16:23.36 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: more powerful how? |
| 16:23.39 | jnwhiteh | hahaha =) |
| 16:23.52 | jnwhiteh | if I was sufficiently motivated I'd consider it |
| 16:23.58 | jnwhiteh | but you'd need to check things out one directory at a time |
| 16:24.00 | MoonWitch|Mobile | we'll send youporn? |
| 16:24.02 | jnwhiteh | and there are 8/9 of them |
| 16:24.08 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch|Mobile: wrong gender, sorry =/ |
| 16:24.19 | MoonWitch|Mobile | you like men? |
| 16:24.27 | nevcairiel | there is porn for everyone |
| 16:24.28 | jnwhiteh | my fiancé seems to think so |
| 16:24.33 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ok |
| 16:24.35 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:24.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | hey, I can't see that from a screen name .. sorry |
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| 16:24.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm not upset or offended! |
| 16:25.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I don't know any hot men though - that would send naked pictures |
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| 16:25.18 | Lulia | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36531 |
| 16:25.28 | Ackis | upsets jnwhiteh |
| 16:25.29 | Lulia | Rawrg |
| 16:25.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but considering you're engaged, I'll refrain from searching ;) |
| 16:25.46 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: can you give me a TLDR version? |
| 16:25.48 | jnwhiteh | what is going wrong? |
| 16:25.56 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch|Mobile: oh no, we'd definitely look together =) |
| 16:26.16 | Lulia | The runes are not dynamically resetting their positions correctly |
| 16:26.19 | Lulia | However, if you do a /reload |
| 16:26.23 | Lulia | Everything is fine |
| 16:26.25 | jnwhiteh | you have to ClearAllPoints() |
| 16:26.31 | jnwhiteh | anchor points exist until they are removed |
| 16:26.33 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 16:26.37 | Lulia | That might be it |
| 16:26.37 | jnwhiteh | so you can't just have new SetPoints() |
| 16:26.39 | jnwhiteh | they just ADD anchors |
| 16:26.40 | Lulia | Thanks, let me try that. |
| 16:26.51 | jnwhiteh | anytime you reposition a frame, ClearAllPoints() and then re-set the anchors |
| 16:26.59 | nevcairiel | there really should be a ClearPoint function too =) |
| 16:27.11 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 16:27.13 | jnwhiteh | CAP |
| 16:27.14 | MoonWitch|Mobile | jnwhiteh: gotta love how tolerant and open people are in here :) I've said pretty bad stuff before, no one minded. |
| 16:27.15 | jnwhiteh | is clearer =) |
| 16:27.17 | Lulia | I actually knew that! But it's easy to forget stuff when you're still learning :-/ |
| 16:27.40 | Lulia | Bonus points if you can figure out why some frames don't resize properly until a /reload ;) |
| 16:27.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Lulia - one step at a time, you'll get there. (Hell, you've pulled off far more than I have) |
| 16:27.48 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch|Mobile: this channel tends to dislike people who don't listen more than anything |
| 16:27.48 | mitchnull | damn those ppl converting from svn to git... breaking my updates left and right |
| 16:27.52 | nevcairiel | not that you dont have to clear them when you just reanchor the same point |
| 16:28.04 | nevcairiel | note* |
| 16:28.25 | jnwhiteh | mitchnull: lol |
| 16:28.28 | nevcairiel | but thats somewhat of a special case =) |
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| 16:28.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well then you overwrite the original anchor point |
| 16:28.45 | nevcairiel | mitchnull: some people started converting stuff to mercurial now, and my upgrade script doesnt handle that yet, so meh! |
| 16:28.52 | durcyn | mitchnull: more like 'damn these people for ever using svn in the first place' |
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| 16:28.57 | MoonWitch|Mobile | OOH I just thought of a great way to say I need IRC :P |
| 16:29.00 | Lulia | That did it, Jnwhiteh, Thanks |
| 16:29.02 | jnwhiteh | tekkub hasn't updated tekJunkSeller |
| 16:29.06 | Lulia | You've been like my personal hero today ;) |
| 16:29.07 | jnwhiteh | Lulia: yw! |
| 16:29.12 | jnwhiteh | GAH |
| 16:29.17 | jnwhiteh | stop applying non-critical updates |
| 16:29.22 | nevcairiel | just click play |
| 16:29.24 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:29.24 | mitchnull | durcyn: svn is perfectly adaquate (spelling) for addon dev |
| 16:29.26 | Lulia | huh?? |
| 16:29.35 | alestane | adequate* |
| 16:29.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ~dic adequate |
| 16:29.40 | durcyn | adequate. |
| 16:29.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | just wanted to check if I could spell it :P alestane beat me to it |
| 16:29.54 | durcyn | also, the bot trigger is something like (sp), as i recall. |
| 16:29.54 | batbot | durcyn, like is correct. |
| 16:29.56 | Maldivia | starts singing... everyone's a hero in their own way.... |
| 16:29.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | or just beat me :P |
| 16:30.49 | alestane | gets out the flogger. |
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| 16:30.54 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh baby |
| 16:31.14 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yes, I don't fear a flogger, now a cane -- I am not too keen on |
| 16:31.19 | Lulia | Now to begin work on letting people move the individual runes wherever they want ;) |
| 16:32.16 | Lulia | Which, oddly, should be less fraught with problems and errors since I've already done that sort of thing before. |
| 16:32.17 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 16:32.23 | MoonWitch|Mobile | alrighty, back upstairs with me.. gonna take out my contacts and be all nerdrage with my glasses :) |
| 16:32.40 | Lulia | lol |
| 16:32.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (also battle.net ID sucks when you log in to test code, ppl don't leave you the f alone) |
| 16:33.00 | Cide | um |
| 16:33.02 | Cide | set status to busy |
| 16:33.03 | nevcairiel | do it on beta |
| 16:33.06 | Lulia | I just tell them that I'm constantly /reloading, and I'll miss what they say |
| 16:33.18 | nevcairiel | I dont have obnoxious friends |
| 16:33.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I apparently do :P |
| 16:33.39 | TC-Work | ~wtf mkp |
| 16:33.41 | MoonWitch|Mobile | even my guild leaves me alone when I say /g code hi |
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| 16:34.22 | Lulia | Yeah, my guild pretty much just ignores me when they realize I'm doing addon stuff. |
| 16:34.37 | Lulia | Of course, it helps that I also don't pay attention to what they say. |
| 16:34.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | they do ask me on ts though.. but that I don't mind much. :) |
| 16:34.45 | Lulia | They COULD be trying to talk to me, but I don't notice ;) |
| 16:34.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol |
| 16:35.06 | Maldivia | reload ui has a tendency to clear chat :) |
| 16:35.12 | MoonWitch|Mobile | if they really need me, they generally holler in TS otherwise they leave me alone :) |
| 16:35.17 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ok upstairs :) |
| 16:35.26 | nevcairiel | I'm not in voice chat when i'm coding, i have ctrl as my ptt key, and i use that constantly while coding for things |
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| 16:35.48 | Nexiuz | voice activation ftw |
| 16:36.05 | Maldivia | no no no...ptt! |
| 16:36.07 | Nexiuz | im always on ts while coding, but im making sure im in a afk channel or so |
| 16:36.08 | kneeki_ | nevcairiel: Same here, I also got lectured by the raid leader once for interrupting him while he was giving out strats =p |
| 16:36.20 | nevcairiel | voice activation sucks bad |
| 16:36.27 | Nexiuz | got a mute button on my head set also |
| 16:36.35 | Nexiuz | and im RL's a lot |
| 16:36.39 | Nexiuz | its easy |
| 16:36.46 | Maldivia | middle mouse button as ptt |
| 16:36.56 | nevcairiel | I hate pushing the mouse wheel for anything |
| 16:37.12 | nevcairiel | rather put my pinky on ctrl, doesnt block me from using the keyboard in any other way |
| 16:37.15 | Maldivia | not reliable as a keybind but fine for ptt |
| 16:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | holy crap, why is it 85 in my office? *pant pant* |
| 16:37.51 | Nexiuz | I use way to much ctrl+* keybindings |
| 16:38.07 | airtonix | kekek heavy breathing |
| 16:38.07 | Maldivia | i use shift/ctrl/alt constantly with click casting |
| 16:38.20 | nevcairiel | i dont click-cast, i mouseover-cast |
| 16:38.20 | Nexiuz | same, shaman healer here |
| 16:38.32 | alestane | Your office is still on a different HVAC block, Right Peppy? |
| 16:38.40 | airtonix | real healers keyboard turn |
| 16:38.41 | Nexiuz | grid + mouse click units |
| 16:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | yes, alestane. I'm dyyyyyying with this head cold and the dry heat. |
| 16:41.12 | alestane | You were maybe changing offices before, guess that didn't happen. |
| 16:43.10 | Lopeppeppy | I wish. Nope, that office was taken from our office block and given away to another department. |
| 16:45.16 | alestane | gets Peppy a humidifier. |
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| 16:58.18 | Kraps | anyone know anything about vindictus? |
| 16:58.37 | zenzelezz | think it's some sort of MMO |
| 16:59.15 | Kraps | yeah :) |
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| 17:08.23 | Lulia | YES! |
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| 17:10.24 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-RunesMovable.jpg |
| 17:10.27 | Lulia | Notice anything? |
| 17:10.56 | Shirik | your resolution sucks |
| 17:11.01 | Lulia | Well |
| 17:11.05 | nevcairiel | the cooldown isa square :) |
| 17:11.06 | Lulia | Photobucket shrinks the image |
| 17:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | Helps if you tell us what to notice, Lulia. I in particular notice that your map has buttons. |
| 17:11.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:11.16 | Shirik | well photobucket sucks :) |
| 17:11.17 | Lulia | Look at the runes ;) |
| 17:11.26 | Lulia | I made them movable and it works |
| 17:11.29 | nevcairiel | the cooldown model sucks anyway |
| 17:11.32 | Lulia | You can set them up however you like them :D |
| 17:11.35 | nevcairiel | numbers are enough |
| 17:11.52 | Lulia | Ah, that's something I can make an option, Nev |
| 17:12.11 | Lulia | I want to finish this new thing with the individual moving stuff though |
| 17:12.14 | nevcairiel | on that small icons you won't see where the model is |
| 17:12.29 | nevcairiel | once its clipped properly, that is |
| 17:12.39 | Lulia | HPW and Soul Shards will be a bit more complicated since previously they've all been one image that rotates through different images depending on the power. |
| 17:13.01 | Lulia | So I have to change them to a frame setup that gives each level of power its own movable frame |
| 17:13.04 | alestane | How expensive is an error in Lua? |
| 17:13.07 | Lulia | But I'm pretty excited :) |
| 17:13.11 | Lulia | huh? |
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| 17:13.21 | nevcairiel | alestane: you want to fake exception handlers? |
| 17:13.24 | Shirik | alestane: Quite expensive |
| 17:13.35 | Shirik | well |
| 17:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | raaar. |
| 17:13.41 | Shirik | not expensive at all if you have no protected environment |
| 17:13.45 | Shirik | but that doesn't apply to WoW |
| 17:13.52 | Fisker | shit Shirik |
| 17:13.53 | alestane | This isn't for WoW. |
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| 17:13.59 | Shirik | well a panic is quite efficient |
| 17:14.02 | Shirik | but probably a really bad thing |
| 17:14.06 | mitchnull | are there localizations in _G for North / N / West / W etc? |
| 17:14.13 | Lulia | You guys sure know how to bring a guy down ;) |
| 17:14.22 | nevcairiel | mitchnull: read globalstrings.lua |
| 17:14.28 | nevcairiel | thats all the locale there is |
| 17:14.33 | batrick | hullo Shirik |
| 17:14.38 | Shirik | actually, alestane, now that I think about it |
| 17:14.41 | alestane | I want to call a function stored as a key in a table stored as a key of another table. If the function or the subtable doesn't exist, I just want to go on. |
| 17:14.47 | Shirik | the exceptions themselves are quite efficient iirc |
| 17:14.55 | Shirik | it's the act of setting up a protected environment that's expensive |
| 17:15.39 | nevcairiel | you mean like, pcall? yeah, pcall is rather costly. If you can, check if the stuff exists instead of trying anyway |
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| 17:15.57 | batrick | (pcall is very cheap in 5.2) |
| 17:16.12 | nevcairiel | that helps us how? :p |
| 17:16.25 | batrick | just thought i'd share, hence the parens :P |
| 17:16.43 | alestane | So I can either say [[if type(containingTable) == 'table' and type(containingTable.subtable) == 'table' and type(containingTable.subtable[somekey]) == 'function' then containingTable.subtable[someKey](stuff) end]] |
| 17:16.44 | Lulia | Oh damn, it's not saving positions *sighs* |
| 17:17.16 | alestane | Or I can make a local function that just says [[containingTable.subtable[someKey](stuff)]] and pcall it. |
| 17:17.56 | alestane | Which is vastly simpler to write and allows the possibility of components that are indexable or callable via metatables. |
| 17:18.02 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 17:19.15 | mikma | haste + wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/11/melon_shot_off_head_with_50_ca.php |
| 17:19.50 | Fisker | haste |
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| 17:24.40 | Skeen | What am I doing wrong here: ''RegisterMessage("eventname", "methodname"): 'methodname' - method 'SkeenCore2_Database_Set' not found on self.'' |
| 17:24.54 | mitchnull | lulia: store GetPoints() in saved vars after move |
| 17:25.05 | Lulia | It wasn't that, mitch |
| 17:25.11 | Lulia | I already had the stuff working for the save :) |
| 17:25.13 | alestane | Using Ace would be my first suspicion. |
| 17:25.27 | Skeen | using ace is wrong now? |
| 17:25.28 | Lulia | I just didn't tell the AddOn to put them in their locations if they had been moved on a reload ;) |
| 17:25.57 | alestane | Well, some people like it. I'm not a huge fan myself but I don't actually hate it on principle. |
| 17:25.58 | Lulia | It was still trying to position them relative to one another, with no information on their offsets :D |
| 17:26.21 | alestane | But apparently you're trying to register a method that doesn't exist. |
| 17:26.25 | Skeen | Just trying to convert my addon to ace, and I'm having this issue :) |
| 17:26.29 | mitchnull | ok, just hoped you didn't want to trust blizz to store frame positions. I hateses those (thankfully I haven't encountered the like in a while) |
| 17:26.44 | Skeen | this is the line just below: ''function SkeenCore2:SkeenCore2_Database_Set(scope, var, val)'' |
| 17:28.23 | alestane | I'm going to bow out now, because that looks like I would expect it to, and I know nothing about Ace. |
| 17:29.15 | Skeen | well I dont really get the point of it.. because I obviusly declared the function to go with it |
| 17:29.39 | alestane | Maybe do a C&P on the name to make sure there are no typos. |
| 17:30.06 | Skeen | I did |
| 17:30.08 | haste | Fisker |
| 17:30.24 | alestane | Is the line self:RegisterMessage(etc)? |
| 17:30.29 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:30.38 | Fisker | mikma gave you a link |
| 17:30.39 | Skeen | the register one? |
| 17:30.39 | amro | Skeen: are you calling it on the same table that contains the method? |
| 17:30.42 | amro | pastebin the whole file |
| 17:30.52 | Skeen | its several |
| 17:30.53 | Skeen | but sec |
| 17:30.58 | Skeen | it coudl be that :) |
| 17:31.03 | MoonWitch | great I am stuck in a specific local branch |
| 17:31.14 | amro | you should only have one AceAddon table |
| 17:31.33 | Skeen | http://pastebin.com/Kjr9M5QE |
| 17:31.57 | Flowyk | alestane C&P? |
| 17:32.11 | Skeen | SkeenCore2 is declared like: SkeenCore2 = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("SkeenCore2", "AceConsole-3.0", "AceEvent-3.0") |
| 17:32.12 | amro | Command & Prosper, the economic version of C&C |
| 17:32.25 | Fisker | naw |
| 17:33.10 | amro | Skeen: it's being called as soon as the file is loaded, so it must appear after the method is defined |
| 17:33.11 | alestane | copy & paste, Flowyk. |
| 17:33.24 | MoonWitch | I fail to see the point of using versioning, as soon as I use 2 damn machines to work on 1 repo (git) it stops working (can't psuh, pull, rebase, merge) |
| 17:33.46 | amro | MoonWitch: you're doing it wrong |
| 17:33.59 | Skeen | Lua is tdpl? |
| 17:34.01 | alestane | I'd try and help, MoonWitch, but I'm a bare beginner at git. |
| 17:34.04 | MoonWitch | help me out then , please before I shoot this |
| 17:34.05 | Nexiuz | Use SVN :P |
| 17:34.08 | Flowyk | if Im using AceConfig to generate GUI from table ... the only way to change the windgets options is regenerate the GUI? |
| 17:34.12 | MoonWitch | alestane: same thing here... :( |
| 17:34.31 | MoonWitch | for this one repo, I must have deleted everything about 10 times now |
| 17:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Success, the student-goblins ate all of my leftover halloween candy. |
| 17:35.59 | amro | Skeen: I'd recommend against having method calls "out there" in your code in general |
| 17:36.08 | amro | put it in OnInitialize or something |
| 17:36.33 | amro | MoonWitch: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:36.58 | MoonWitch | see I fixed some code in an experimental branch, I pushed to git from my laptop. |
| 17:36.59 | Skeen | well.. It was just a piece of test code, I was gonna use it to register a PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event, to trigger a OnInit on some of my code :) |
| 17:37.13 | MoonWitch | I neglected to pull from it before I made more edits on my desktop |
| 17:37.32 | amro | that should be fine, you can still merge |
| 17:37.44 | MoonWitch | now I can't change to local master branch, only experimental. I can't pull, push, rebase |
| 17:37.55 | MoonWitch | so I did git pull origin experimental |
| 17:38.06 | MoonWitch | did I pull the remote master branch then? |
| 17:38.18 | amro | erm, I don't know |
| 17:38.35 | amro | I just use clone, pull, push, commit |
| 17:38.54 | MoonWitch | what I am trying to do, is to merge remote experimental into master |
| 17:39.03 | MoonWitch | and then pull those to my locals |
| 17:39.17 | MoonWitch | but apparently what I *want* to do isn't that simple |
| 17:40.05 | alestane | So, you want to do a merge in a remote repository, and then fetch it? |
| 17:40.29 | durcyn | wouldn't you have to checkout the remote branch, then merge, then push back upstream? |
| 17:40.43 | alestane | I don't *think* so. |
| 17:41.06 | durcyn | or can you directly merge a remote refspec |
| 17:41.29 | alestane | If you have write access to the remote, isn't working with a remote in git basically supposed to be the same as working with a local? I thought part of the point of git was it doesn't care about things like that. |
| 17:41.45 | alestane | I could be completely confused, though. |
| 17:42.10 | MoonWitch | I should have just stuck to 1 branch |
| 17:42.18 | Shirik | alestane, most remotes are made "bare" |
| 17:42.27 | MoonWitch | but noooo, i wanted to play like the big boys, try to fix something to send a patch |
| 17:42.31 | Shirik | which means they have no copy of the working directory |
| 17:42.35 | Shirik | so there's nowhere really to do the merge |
| 17:42.38 | MoonWitch | so now, I can only again delete the entire gorramn thing |
| 17:43.00 | durcyn | there's no need to resort to firefly obscenities |
| 17:43.29 | Shirik | MoonWitch what's the problem with the merge |
| 17:45.37 | jnwhiteh | alestane: git is a 'pull' centric system |
| 17:45.39 | MoonWitch | it doesn't work lol |
| 17:45.56 | jnwhiteh | if there is a master repo, either its a bare repo, or someone has to PULL your changes in (or use patches) |
| 17:45.58 | MoonWitch | but it's ok -- I am going to manually change shit, remove the branching and then reinit the git |
| 17:46.08 | Skeen | how can I have an event being processed in more lua files, that is, having more thing happening on one event |
| 17:46.29 | Skeen | currently the event is just getting caught by the first one who sees it, and everyone but, doesn't get it |
| 17:46.30 | MoonWitch | I am fed up with trying to wade through pools of errors that advise me to put in a command that then tells me to perform something else and another something else |
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| 17:47.33 | jnwhiteh | MoonWitch: git merge remote/experimental is all you're trying to do? |
| 17:47.46 | jnwhiteh | its always better, when there is a question, to make your refs more explicit |
| 17:48.35 | MoonWitch | I was trying -- I had the CORRECT version sitting in remote exper -- to get that version on my machine, but I had made edits to the local exper here (deleted a useless xml) |
| 17:48.44 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 17:48.46 | MoonWitch | therefore I was giving the fast forward error I assume |
| 17:48.47 | jnwhiteh | then you want to commit yoru changes |
| 17:48.48 | jnwhiteh | and rebase |
| 17:49.02 | jnwhiteh | rebase finds the latest common branch |
| 17:49.08 | MoonWitch | yeah commit -> fast forward error |
| 17:49.10 | jnwhiteh | and then will reapply the changes you have to merge them |
| 17:49.16 | jnwhiteh | commit should NEVER give you a fast forward |
| 17:49.17 | MoonWitch | rebase -> set everything back to master |
| 17:49.18 | jnwhiteh | PUSH will |
| 17:49.20 | jnwhiteh | but NEVER commit |
| 17:49.38 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say git rebase |
| 17:49.41 | jnwhiteh | I said git pull --rebase |
| 17:49.46 | jnwhiteh | which does a merge and a rebase |
| 17:49.48 | jnwhiteh | with your local changes |
| 17:49.52 | jnwhiteh | whats your current state |
| 17:49.57 | jnwhiteh | because this should be very eeasy to resolve |
| 17:50.00 | jnwhiteh | what do you have locally |
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| 17:50.18 | MoonWitch | locally I am now back on master branch finally |
| 17:50.23 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 17:50.28 | jnwhiteh | and what do you need to do? |
| 17:50.29 | MoonWitch | so I am - commit per commit - manually changing it |
| 17:50.38 | jnwhiteh | you really don't need to do this =/ |
| 17:50.43 | jnwhiteh | but if you're happy, I'll leave you to it. |
| 17:50.48 | MoonWitch | so I am redoing everything I did on experimental |
| 17:51.12 | MoonWitch | the issue started with tryin to keep 2 machines synced basically |
| 17:51.30 | MoonWitch | I worked in experimental (remote) from 2 machines, so 2 locals |
| 17:51.40 | jnwhiteh | that's fine |
| 17:51.47 | MoonWitch | I didn't pull on the 2nd machine, so I had an older version on the 2nd machine |
| 17:51.48 | jnwhiteh | none of this is abnormal |
| 17:51.53 | jnwhiteh | that's still fine |
| 17:51.55 | MoonWitch | but made edits to the older version |
| 17:52.13 | MoonWitch | when I then wanted to commit (like I said, erased files) I got shit :( |
| 17:52.14 | jnwhiteh | and wanted to be able to push all of the changes from that version to your remote, eventually, right? |
| 17:52.22 | jnwhiteh | that didn't happen when you commited |
| 17:52.25 | jnwhiteh | it happened when you pushed |
| 17:52.26 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 17:52.28 | jnwhiteh | there is a critical different |
| 17:52.32 | jnwhiteh | then what you do is git pull --rebase |
| 17:52.34 | jnwhiteh | and then push |
| 17:52.37 | jnwhiteh | problem solved |
| 17:52.56 | jnwhiteh | hell, you could git merge remote/experimental experimental |
| 17:52.58 | jnwhiteh | its just not as clean |
| 17:53.17 | MoonWitch | phone |
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| 17:55.49 | alestane | Dagda thump me, I've been dealing with that little quirk for way too long. |
| 17:56.28 | alestane | Got fed up with the way in GIMP I had to activate the tools window, then select a tool, then reactivate the image window, then use the tool. |
| 17:56.41 | alestane | Lo and behold, there's a setting in the X11 preferences for that. |
| 17:57.57 | jnwhiteh | anyone have any links to good terran strat videos? |
| 17:58.39 | alestane | Most of what I've watched so far has been Psy, so I only see Terran stuff when that's his opponents. |
| 17:59.00 | jnwhiteh | I did just beat someone |
| 17:59.08 | jnwhiteh | by pounding him with marines and marauders |
| 17:59.13 | jnwhiteh | but I definitely could have played better |
| 17:59.15 | alestane | That's a solid basic strat. |
| 17:59.34 | alestane | There's a reason people talk about MMM and bioballs. |
| 17:59.58 | jnwhiteh | I've never heard those =) |
| 18:00.07 | jnwhiteh | I had to go ravens to counter his cloaked units |
| 18:00.07 | alestane | Marine-Marauder-Medivac |
| 18:00.13 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:00.29 | jnwhiteh | when I dropped two medivacs with the marauders, the 15,000 photon canons he made didn't do anything :P |
| 18:00.42 | alestane | bioball => a whole bunch of biological units, usually accompanied by medivacs. |
| 18:01.01 | alestane | What was he playing? |
| 18:01.09 | jnwhiteh | terribly =) |
| 18:01.18 | jnwhiteh | he didn't get beyond the shieldy-units and stalkers |
| 18:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | I watched someone play Starcraft over the weekend, it was... it didn't grab me. |
| 18:01.33 | alestane | Protoss then. |
| 18:01.39 | jnwhiteh | yes, was Protoss |
| 18:01.56 | alestane | Oh, I should have grasped that from photon cannons. |
| 18:02.35 | jnwhiteh | I lost against Marine/Marauder before this. They just beat me. |
| 18:02.48 | amro | just get more shit |
| 18:02.52 | amro | that's the awesome thing about terran |
| 18:02.58 | amro | every problem can be solved by just getting more marauders |
| 18:03.00 | alestane | Hellions or thors should help in that case, they both have AoE. |
| 18:03.14 | amro | or tanks |
| 18:03.21 | amro | but you can also just have more marauders =) |
| 18:03.33 | alestane | I don't think marauders do that well against marines. |
| 18:03.37 | jnwhiteh | he just outbuilt me |
| 18:03.43 | amro | if you have enough of them, they do |
| 18:03.45 | alestane | I feel your pain, jnwhiteh. |
| 18:03.48 | jnwhiteh | happens when you miss a supply depot |
| 18:03.51 | jnwhiteh | what ARE hellions good for |
| 18:03.54 | jnwhiteh | they're so freaking fragile =/ |
| 18:03.56 | amro | they also have more of abuffer, making them more efficient when combined with medivacs |
| 18:04.00 | alestane | They massacre zerglings. |
| 18:04.10 | amro | jnwhiteh: harass, and good vs mass ling/zealot |
| 18:04.13 | alestane | They're fast and good for map superiority. |
| 18:04.29 | alestane | But they do require some micro. |
| 18:04.40 | jnwhiteh | I can't micro and macro at the same time =) |
| 18:04.48 | jnwhiteh | but i guess they're cheaper to scout with |
| 18:04.49 | alestane | When you can get them into a fan they just destroy light units. |
| 18:04.52 | jnwhiteh | and fast |
| 18:05.23 | alestane | And fast to build, too, you can have two or three hellions on the map before you can get a viking or a banshee out. |
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| 18:05.37 | amro | they're too easy to counter though |
| 18:05.46 | jnwhiteh | any ranged unit =) |
| 18:05.49 | amro | one roach/stalker can kill a million hellions |
| 18:05.53 | jnwhiteh | i would never mass them |
| 18:06.00 | jnwhiteh | but i may use one to scout in my next game |
| 18:06.00 | alestane | So they're a common opener for terran to scout and harass with. |
| 18:06.10 | alestane | They're skirmishers. |
| 18:06.35 | amro | you can also drop 3-4 hellions in his mineral line |
| 18:06.39 | amro | can be quite effective |
| 18:06.47 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:06.47 | alestane | Occupy about the same niche as phoenix in a lot of ways. |
| 18:06.49 | jnwhiteh | i never transport |
| 18:06.54 | jnwhiteh | i fail at athat =) |
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| 18:11.22 | alestane | I've tried a couple of times, but the last time I did, I was flying into a high ground completely surrounded by missile turrets and sieged tanks. |
| 18:12.47 | alestane | I was too aggressive too early in too-small groups that time, just wasted units against his defenses while he kept turtling up. |
| 18:13.06 | amro | the best thing about dropping is not doing it |
| 18:13.10 | amro | you need to spot the right time for it |
| 18:13.14 | amro | and if there isn't, don'tbother |
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| 18:22.55 | TC-Work | i suddenly started paying attention to my coworker when i heard "you dont want to get much larger than 15 inches, it gets kind of heavy at that point" |
| 18:23.10 | TC-Work | i was amused |
| 18:26.52 | zenzelezz | we have about 130 quotes like that at work now. Used to be written on post-it notes, but got difficult with so many, so now we put them in a small database |
| 18:32.03 | Lopeppeppy | This is why I have my own office, they don't let me talk anymore. *big sad Peppy eyes* |
| 18:32.23 | alestane | You provided them with too many quotes? |
| 18:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | I scare the crap out of them. |
| 18:33.27 | alestane | It took me SO long to learn to filter what I say at all. |
| 18:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | I think they gave me an office 'cause I scared the admin. assistant to death. |
| 18:34.11 | Duman | hmm |
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| 18:40.02 | jnwhiteh | that's enough fucking starcraft for the evening. |
| 18:40.24 | jnwhiteh | Protoss player just got a probe in 7 seconds before I put up my supply depot at ramp |
| 18:40.35 | jnwhiteh | got fucking proxied with 4 zealots at 4 minutes |
| 18:40.42 | jnwhiteh | i had marines and one marauder, but they had no chance. |
| 18:40.43 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 18:40.44 | cairenn | Lopeppeppy: that kitsune is gorgeous! Ackis: copyright infringement article is infuriating jnwhiteh: also check out Tanya Huff (Alestane just started me on her stuff) alestane: lol @ stock clerk timing |
| 18:41.17 | alestane | Oh, the notalways link. |
| 18:41.31 | alestane | Did you get to read the book, cairenn? |
| 18:41.47 | cairenn | alestane: not as of yet, just starting it |
| 18:42.00 | alestane | That's the only one of that setting as yet but it makes me want more. |
| 18:42.24 | cairenn | I approve of the setting, unsurprisingly |
| 18:42.36 | alestane | Well, the first couple of chapters are all in rural Ontario. |
| 18:42.56 | cairenn | as I said ... |
| 18:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, cairenn! *hugglehuggle* |
| 18:43.15 | cairenn | but I was referring to the overall setting, ie Canada |
| 18:43.22 | cairenn | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 18:43.46 | alestane | I thought you might like some of the bits like "Dad! Last Tim Horton's before the airport!" |
| 18:43.47 | Lopeppeppy | Elizabeth Bear is also awesomesauce, but she's more sci fi than fantasy, and requires a reader to do some work to keep up with the setting and events. |
| 18:44.29 | alestane | I need to finish Whiskey and Water one of these days. Maybe my library can bring it down from Bedford, since I'm not driving ATM. |
| 18:45.14 | alestane | All the Windwracked Stars was absolutely phenomenal too. |
| 18:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | All her stuff is great. The series with Hammered in it is set alternately in... I think Toronto and Hartford CT. |
| 18:46.23 | alestane | She gets "poignant." |
| 18:46.40 | amro | shirik, help |
| 18:46.48 | amro | how do I stop windows from stopping me from hiding a window's title bar? |
| 18:48.06 | Shirik | actually I don't know |
| 18:48.08 | Shirik | I've never hard to do that |
| 18:48.46 | Shirik | also I'm going to hurt someone |
| 18:48.48 | Shirik | I just got an email |
| 18:49.11 | Shirik | [ERAU Ambassador Buildserver] [FAILURE] "<List of like 20 names>": Build is still broken for Communications |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik | someone really screwed something up |
| 18:49.52 | Shirik | normally it's just one name |
| 18:50.29 | Flowyk | I have table { "first", "second", "third" } |
| 18:50.56 | Flowyk | is there way without "for" to copy value as index for it? |
| 18:51.16 | Flowyk | mean { first = "first", second = "second", third = "third" } |
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| 18:51.48 | Shirik | I don't understand what you mean |
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| 18:52.49 | Flowyk | ok I can use for |
| 18:55.03 | amro | no, you have to iterate |
| 18:55.19 | amro | why do you constantly place silly restrictions on yourself? |
| 18:55.40 | Shirik | you don't have to use for |
| 18:56.08 | jnwhiteh | you can use while instead =) |
| 18:56.13 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:56.17 | Shirik | and next() |
| 18:56.37 | Shirik | hell I guess you could use pairs() with while also |
| 18:57.03 | Shirik | also, |
| 18:57.03 | cbreak | you could unroll the loop |
| 18:57.10 | Shirik | 48 days until graduation omgz |
| 18:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | applauds Shirik! |
| 18:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | You must tell me where to send your graduation card! |
| 18:57.48 | Shirik | that costs money |
| 18:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'll put it in the card? :) |
| 18:58.42 | Shirik | no |
| 18:58.48 | Shirik | I mean it costs you money to buy the card |
| 18:58.50 | Shirik | and send it |
| 18:58.56 | Lopeppeppy | Aaaaand? |
| 19:00.08 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 19:00.11 | Fisker | isn't Shirik dreamy? |
| 19:00.15 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | I remember him as tall, and standing between me and everyone else. That makes him quite dreamy! :) |
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| 19:18.06 | Shirik | ~wiki Egan galvin |
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| 19:27.18 | Fisker | i'm sick Kraps |
| 19:27.32 | Kraps | yes you are |
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| 19:31.40 | Stanzilla | foxlit: did you ever make something like BLPView for TGAs? |
| 19:31.56 | Shirik | TGAview? |
| 19:32.02 | foxlit | Stanzilla: no. It's harder to do TGA properly. |
| 19:32.30 | zenzelezz | harder? |
| 19:32.56 | Stanzilla | foxlit: oh :( I can't find a simple tool for it that is free |
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| 19:33.17 | zenzelezz | Stanzilla: do what exactly? |
| 19:33.38 | Stanzilla | zenzelezz: display thumbnails of tga's in the windows explorer |
| 19:34.20 | zenzelezz | Windows doesn't do that? Interesting, I don't recall TGA being all that complicated |
| 19:34.28 | Stanzilla | no it doesn't :( |
| 19:35.50 | nicoli_s | theres some third party tools that will do it |
| 19:36.15 | nicoli_s | i use mysticthumbs, supports dds,and a bunch of other formats |
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| 19:38.37 | Stanzilla | nicoli_s: i just found one that supports x64 windows and it costs 15$ :p |
| 19:39.03 | Stanzilla | but I'll check out mysticthumbs |
| 19:39.19 | zenzelezz | does it have to be in Explorer? There are plenty of programs that displays all kinds of image formats |
| 19:39.28 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:39.47 | Stanzilla | and mysticthumbs 25$ yay :P |
| 19:40.32 | Maldivia | if you want free tga thumbnails, install the DirectX SDK |
| 19:41.23 | Stanzilla | I read that on some MS page, was the next thing i wanted to try :p |
| 19:42.38 | Stanzilla | 580mb..okay.. |
| 19:42.51 | Maldivia | yeah, that's the entire SDK :) |
| 19:44.15 | Stanzilla | wonder if I can get just that one feature out of it |
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| 19:44.52 | zenzelezz | would be easier if you just got your porn in JPEG like everyone else |
| 19:45.30 | Maldivia | I thought avi was more common than jpeg in that area ? :) |
| 19:45.41 | zenzelezz | not for still pictures |
| 19:45.43 | jnwhiteh | Sexycooldown still work in 4.0.1 |
| 19:45.44 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 19:45.51 | Stanzilla | not all of it |
| 19:45.54 | zenzelezz | and I believe wmv is quite common |
| 19:46.10 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: what doesn't? |
| 19:46.11 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: so the talk about porn made you think of sexycooldown ? |
| 19:46.17 | jnwhiteh | and is there no alternative? |
| 19:46.18 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: the latest alpha is functional, raid debuffs have been missing things for a while though |
| 19:46.25 | jnwhiteh | ok |
| 19:46.26 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: i think some debuff stuff and profiles are broken but that's not new |
| 19:46.29 | jnwhiteh | i just need my own cooldowns |
| 19:46.49 | durcyn | i patched up at least the obviously broken bits |
| 19:46.54 | durcyn | Stanzilla: what about profiles now? |
| 19:47.12 | Stanzilla | durcyn: ever tried to copy profiles? |
| 19:47.16 | Stanzilla | it duplicates all the bars |
| 19:47.26 | Stanzilla | and as they all have numbered names it fucks everything up |
| 19:47.31 | Kraps | is tony stark such a big showboat in the comics? |
| 19:47.34 | Stanzilla | so you have 3 bars called bar0 etc |
| 19:47.53 | durcyn | that's all supposed to be abstracted out into acedb, huh |
| 19:48.17 | Fisker | i will |
| 19:48.20 | Fisker | kill Stanzillas |
| 19:48.25 | Stanzilla | nowai |
| 19:48.44 | Stanzilla | durcyn: it should, yes. but it's broken and so are default values all over the addon :p |
| 19:48.53 | durcyn | yeah, he's not doing anything fancy there, just re-reading the db when the OnProfileChanged/OnProfileCopied callback fires |
| 19:49.31 | Stanzilla | it kinda merges profiles when you copy |
| 19:49.35 | Stanzilla | when it should override |
| 19:49.59 | Stanzilla | overwrite |
| 19:50.34 | durcyn | this ReloadAddon function is copying them into a second table, but i don't see that referenced anywhere else |
| 19:51.21 | durcyn | anyway, bitch at Antiarc on twitter or something =P |
| 19:51.36 | Stanzilla | he already ignores me because I complained over 9000 times |
| 19:51.48 | Nechckn | Cat owners - anyone actually have an emory cat- the thing for their nails? |
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| 19:53.28 | durcyn | i haven't tried that one yet, but when the top 5 hits on google are astroturf bullshit, i'm kind of wary |
| 19:53.48 | Fisker | you know what i hate durcyn ? |
| 19:54.20 | alestane | So. Just managed to get the SC2 achievement "Be Quick or Be Dead," requiring you to finish the mission in under ten minutes. |
| 19:54.28 | alestane | Elapsed time -- 10:00. |
| 19:55.21 | durcyn | yourself, Fisker |
| 19:56.16 | Fisker | no durcyn |
| 19:56.20 | Fisker | bears with tasers |
| 19:57.09 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W8fBsLYHcE |
| 19:57.11 | haste | mikma: ^ |
| 19:57.57 | mikma | me and fisker dont fit in the same url |
| 19:58.33 | haste | hence the two lines |
| 19:58.56 | alestane | Who's "netcurse"? |
| 19:59.10 | Arrowmaster | that guy that runs curse |
| 19:59.29 | Fisker | that's worse than shit dick nipples haste |
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| 20:00.47 | haste | Fisker: lies |
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| 20:02.57 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 20:04.19 | alestane | ~hello Angayelle |
| 20:04.19 | purl | ACTION stands up and shouts "HELLO Angayelle!" |
| 20:04.26 | Shirik | Any git gurus around? ( nevcairiel maybe?) I just created a remote with `git init --bare` that I want to push a repo to |
| 20:04.32 | Shirik | isn't it just git push -f ? |
| 20:05.08 | Arrowmaster | you need to specify the repo and refspec on the command line |
| 20:05.14 | Shirik | yeah I did |
| 20:05.18 | Shirik | git push -f real master |
| 20:05.23 | Shirik | where "real" is a defined remote |
| 20:05.33 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt even need the -f |
| 20:05.48 | Shirik | "No refs in common ... doing nothing" is what it says |
| 20:06.40 | Arrowmaster | you broke it |
| 20:06.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:06.48 | Shirik | how |
| 20:07.16 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 20:08.59 | Angayelle | i was toying with string append, i stumbled upon something funny, using /run local prut = "Anga" print(UnitHealth(prut.."yelle")) i have my hp. but /run local prut = "Combustion" (prut.."Frame"):Hide() return an error about calling Hide with a nil value |
| 20:09.28 | Angayelle | and i need to use this method for frame manipulating.. |
| 20:09.49 | cbreak | Angayelle: a string is not a frame |
| 20:10.01 | Flowyk | try it with _G[prut.."Frame"]:Hide() |
| 20:10.17 | industrial | Kenia Gaylene recommends VI@GR@.. oh really? |
| 20:10.25 | Sintacks | I wish Grid had padding adjustments for both vertical and horizonal |
| 20:10.26 | Shirik | apparently git push --all worked Arrowmaster |
| 20:10.27 | Ackis | where did peppy go? |
| 20:10.29 | Angayelle | a thought having the right string would work as it's the frame name |
| 20:10.35 | industrial | I don't understand how email spam works... |
| 20:10.36 | alestane | Home, most likely. |
| 20:10.50 | Sintacks | seperately |
| 20:11.03 | alestane | Because the costs are negligible, industrial. |
| 20:11.08 | Nechckn | It is so cheap that all they need is a few 'tards and it is worthwhile, industrial |
| 20:11.15 | cbreak | Angayelle: a string is NOT a frame. it's just a string |
| 20:11.18 | Nechckn | lol.. what alestane said... |
| 20:11.21 | industrial | am I too smart for it, and others are not and they being dumb clicking them keep the system alive or something? |
| 20:11.30 | cbreak | you have to think about what you handle at all time when programming :) |
| 20:11.32 | Angayelle | it works Flowyk now |
| 20:11.56 | industrial | to keep* |
| 20:12.13 | Flowyk | UnitHealth(prut.."yelle") here you need string |
| 20:13.21 | cairenn | (ot: god I love this guy's work! http://www.datamancer.net/) |
| 20:14.02 | Flowyk | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-config-3-0-options-tables/ |
| 20:14.02 | Flowyk | http://www.wowpedia.org/Using_the_Interface_Options_Addons_panel |
| 20:14.03 | Flowyk | can anyone help me to assign function to "okay" ? |
| 20:14.03 | alestane | All it takes is something like 1 in 10,000 responses to cover your costs, industrial. If one message in 3,000 produces a return, you should be doing quite well for yourself. |
| 20:14.24 | Angayelle | to the button ? |
| 20:14.42 | Fisker | imposter cairenn |
| 20:14.57 | Fisker | squints |
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| 20:15.06 | Fisker | i see right through your disguise |
| 20:15.43 | Angayelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.43 | Flowyk | Angayelle the buttion is "frame" ... frame and string is something another |
| 20:15.54 | Dagmar | alestane: Now we just need for one in 10,000 angry administrators to be able to find out where the spammer lives |
| 20:16.24 | Dagmar | A can of gasoline is much cheaper than doubling-up the mail infrastructure hardware. |
| 20:16.40 | durcyn | i'd prefer if 1 in 1 mail protocols in use globally weren't fucking obsolete |
| 20:17.04 | Dagmar | Pray tell, what is "obsolete" about it? |
| 20:19.43 | Dagmar | I mean, we can just tell people to make VOIP calls, but still... |
| 20:19.43 | Nechckn | cairenn That is definitely one of the better ones - he has some "okay" folks in the links, too. |
| 20:19.43 | durcyn | fine, let's go with 'broken'. |
| 20:19.46 | Arrowmaster | is siding with durcyn on this one |
| 20:19.46 | industrial | alestane: what I also don't udnerstand is that somehow at the end of the line they want you to buy their medical products.. them being probably companies and/or shady individuals.. or is EVERYTHING fake and its just all web traffic -> clicks -> money? |
| 20:19.46 | Dagmar | durcyn: I blame users for refusing to use a GPG key or whitelisting |
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| 20:20.04 | alestane | A lot of it is "web traffic -> malicious sites -> keyloggers and trojans -> identity theft -> money). |
| 20:20.04 | durcyn | Dagmar: any solution that places any burden on actual users isn't a solution |
| 20:20.04 | industrial | right |
| 20:20.04 | durcyn | Dagmar: users are stupid, and will always be stupid |
| 20:20.04 | Dagmar | durcyn: A GPG is far from a burden |
| 20:20.04 | industrial | guess we have a business model then \o/ |
| 20:20.04 | Arrowmaster | industrial: from what ive understood its all fake and they are relying on the fact that most people are too embarrassed about it to report the fraud to their credit card companies |
| 20:20.05 | cbreak | how so? |
| 20:20.05 | durcyn | Dagmar: you're going to teach my schizophrenic grandmother about cryptography? |
| 20:20.08 | cbreak | the company already knows about the transaction |
| 20:20.08 | industrial | this world is so facepalm |
| 20:20.08 | Dagmar | durcyn: They don't need to know about that stuff |
| 20:20.08 | industrial | most of the times. |
| 20:20.08 | industrial | sometimes it's fun. |
| 20:20.08 | cbreak | stating that it was not initiated by you would lessen the embarassment |
| 20:20.20 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: they dont know what the transaction was for though, they only have the amount and the name of the company receiving the payment |
| 20:20.27 | Nechckn | That would take reading the bills, too... |
| 20:21.12 | Arrowmaster | and the company name is most likely a numbered company so you dont really get any info from that |
| 20:21.24 | durcyn | Dagmar: even then, botnet keylogs the passphrase and still sends mail, breaking your model, next? |
| 20:21.54 | syrae | just read the topic... |
| 20:22.08 | cbreak | maybe dumb users need to get iPad style computers |
| 20:22.09 | syrae | "fluffs", eh? You know... I just recently learned what that meant |
| 20:22.19 | Dagmar | durcyn: Key revocation |
| 20:22.23 | cbreak | where you can't install stuff |
| 20:22.27 | cbreak | and not shoot your own foot off |
| 20:22.37 | syrae | when I fluffed up a friend in IRC so i could use him as a pillow for an e-nap. |
| 20:22.37 | durcyn | Dagmar: greylisting, SPF, forcing MUA traffic to use 587, etc, are much more viable, just not used widely enough |
| 20:22.43 | Dagmar | We've *had* all these pieces for a decade. People are just lazy, and anti-spam companies don't acutally want the problem fixed |
| 20:22.55 | Nechckn | I often use the one-time cc numbers for any purchase from a place that I have not done business with before. |
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| 20:23.26 | Dagmar | Nechckn: I'm considering getting an Amex card just for that |
| 20:23.43 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn: you can still use those? i thought most companies offering those shut them down due to the new anti money laundering laws |
| 20:23.44 | Nechckn | Citi offers it, which is awesome |
| 20:24.00 | Nechckn | I suppose they track 'em like fiends |
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| 20:25.57 | Dagmar | I'll have to poke at BofA's site a bit and see if htey've gotten that |
| 20:26.32 | Arrowmaster | i thought BofA was one of the first to start offering that |
| 20:26.56 | Dagmar | ahha no |
| 20:27.24 | Dagmar | As far as I know, Amex were the first people to offer one-time numbers, with hte restriction that (*LOL*) you couldn't use them for porn sites |
| 20:27.48 | Arrowmaster | but isnt that what they are most likely to be used for? |
| 20:27.53 | mikma | LOL :=O |
| 20:28.08 | Dagmar | Unless you're actually using a _credit_ card with BofA, their attitude is basically "Be glad we're letting you have your money back" |
| 20:28.14 | Nechckn | How did they tell? Most companies are like shells inside of shells |
| 20:28.44 | Dagmar | No idea, but considering they'd bounce a transaction if they didn't like the vendor... Things could get dodgy. |
| 20:28.53 | Dagmar | Lord only knows what kind of collection agency a porn site might hier |
| 20:28.56 | Dagmar | er hire |
| 20:29.07 | Nechckn | weird.. but I guess those big suckers have the resources to track just about anything |
| 20:29.19 | Nechckn | LexusNexus on crack and such. |
| 20:29.53 | Dagmar | Their whole profit model is basically a pure-money form of arbitrage, so yeah. heh |
| 20:32.35 | Flowyk | StaticPopupDialogs.CONFIRM_RESET_INTERFACE_SETTINGS.OnAlt |
| 20:32.40 | Flowyk | its a function |
| 20:32.45 | Flowyk | can I get what it do? |
| 20:32.54 | Flowyk | or see code of it? |
| 20:35.39 | mikma | i would start by seeing what the original code says |
| 20:36.05 | alestane | http://comics.com/rose_is_rose/2002-02-13/ |
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| 20:38.44 | alestane | http://comics.com/rose_is_rose/2002-03-28/ |
| 20:40.28 | Flowyk | issecureReturns whether the current execution path is secure |
| 20:40.32 | Ackis | squeee kinectimals |
| 20:40.33 | Flowyk | what means "secure path" ? |
| 20:41.01 | alestane | Whether or not non-blizzard code has interfered since the past time WoW's C++ engine called a piece of Lua. |
| 20:41.02 | cbreak | probably untainted stack |
| 20:42.43 | Flowyk | it dont need args ... |
| 20:46.00 | Flowyk | if table is secure then I cant get his values? |
| 20:46.21 | alestane | That's now what it means. |
| 20:46.28 | alestane | not* |
| 20:46.37 | Flowyk | yes |
| 20:46.42 | Flowyk | I know ... but |
| 20:47.03 | Flowyk | blizzard adds something into "blizzardCategories" |
| 20:47.27 | Flowyk | ah ok its local :/ |
| 20:47.48 | nevcairiel | Blizzard can do anything they want, you can only do what Blizzard wants you to be able to do, deal with it. |
| 20:48.32 | Flowyk | what is the reason to disable allow me change options frame? |
| 20:48.33 | Nechckn | The first thing to remember ^^ |
| 20:48.58 | nevcairiel | Flowyk: they just don't like you, obviously |
| 20:49.06 | Ackis | I don't |
| 20:49.08 | Ackis | wait |
| 20:50.05 | Computerpunk | Ackis, do you even love me anymore? |
| 20:50.38 | Ackis | no |
| 20:50.40 | Ackis | :) |
| 20:50.44 | Ackis | but I'm just grumpy |
| 20:50.54 | Computerpunk | goes crunkcore mode at Ackis. |
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| 20:57.52 | Angayelle | i don't see the point of : UnitSelectionColor(UnitId) - Returns RGBA values for the color of a unit's name. |
| 20:58.44 | Angayelle | lf for a api which would directly return the class color but look like i'll have to writ e a function for it |
| 20:58.46 | Ackis | rawrs |
| 20:59.53 | Angayelle | or anyone know a lib for that ? |
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| 21:00.28 | durcyn | why the hell would that need a full on library |
| 21:00.30 | syrae | Angayelle: There's a global in Blizzard's code somwhere with class colors |
| 21:00.32 | syrae | I remember seeing it |
| 21:00.40 | durcyn | CLASS_COLORS |
| 21:00.45 | Ackis | wow magazine is expensive |
| 21:00.54 | sylvanaar | anyone know the command to open your profession window |
| 21:00.56 | syrae | Ackis: unlike your mom |
| 21:00.59 | durcyn | er, RAID_CLASS_COLORS, rather |
| 21:01.31 | durcyn | indexed by the uppercase english filename return from UnitClass |
| 21:02.36 | Angayelle | gonna check that$ |
| 21:05.13 | Fisker | me me |
| 21:05.15 | Fisker | memememee |
| 21:06.31 | Ackis | https://twitter.com/#!/OneOfSwords/status/292348286210048 derp |
| 21:07.10 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 21:07.20 | foxlit | Why are the elemental rifts phasing out of existence for me? |
| 21:07.39 | syrae | foxlit: they are only up for a few minutes before despawning on their own |
| 21:07.58 | Flowyk | lua> string.format("%x%x%x",255,40,60) |
| 21:07.58 | lua_bot | Flowyk: ff283c |
| 21:08.00 | foxlit | syrae: it seems unlikely that I've found three just as they despawned. |
| 21:08.00 | Flowyk | Angayelle |
| 21:08.05 | Pneumatus | im pretty sure low level ones are phased |
| 21:08.10 | Pneumatus | they should all be, but some dont phase out |
| 21:08.34 | Pneumatus | if you run back out of phase you'll probably be able to see it come back from a distance |
| 21:08.35 | syrae | foxlit: my first one despawned on me about 60 seconds after I found it and started fighting things. Two more after that I found and despawned before I could land |
| 21:09.13 | Flowyk | Angayelle are you here? |
| 21:09.18 | foxlit | Are you sure it's an actual despawn, though? |
| 21:09.23 | syrae | foxlit: I think that they may not actually call the despawn code until a player triggers the load model code, and then it evals whether it should still be up |
| 21:09.41 | Pneumatus | im almost 100% positive its phasing, not despawning |
| 21:10.14 | syrae | Pneumatus: at least for the one I saw that did despawn, the elementals just exploded and died and the rift just faded |
| 21:10.27 | foxlit | No. |
| 21:10.37 | Dagmar | Yeah they're definitely phasing |
| 21:10.39 | foxlit | I'm literarily seeing them fade out as I approach. |
| 21:10.44 | foxlit | There's no death animation to speak of |
| 21:10.45 | Dagmar | foxlit: Same here |
| 21:10.47 | syrae | but the other two definitely had the models load and then faded out as I approached |
| 21:11.13 | syrae | regardless, they're only accessible for a few minutes |
| 21:11.30 | Dagmar | Something's still not quite right with them tho |
| 21:11.35 | syrae | before they phase/despawn/die/disappear/get eaten by a grue |
| 21:12.07 | Dagmar | I saw them appear in WPL last night, ran over and started shooting, after I targeted and started shooting the 4th thing, the entire lot just up and disappeared |
| 21:12.29 | syrae | afaik, they will remain usable longer as the event continues |
| 21:12.47 | Pneumatus | more frequently spawning, id imagine |
| 21:12.54 | syrae | and stay up longer |
| 21:12.55 | syrae | yes |
| 21:13.08 | syrae | similar to how the buffs and debuffs changed during Zombie plague |
| 21:13.10 | industrial | How does prot pally dump holy power? |
| 21:13.16 | industrial | right now im just healing :\ |
| 21:13.20 | industrial | with word of glory |
| 21:13.23 | industrial | level 38 |
| 21:15.36 | Ackis | "Morhaime: Moonkin Hatchling WoW pet - 50% of proceeds will go to charity. Last time they did this, they raised $1mil" |
| 21:15.49 | Ackis | waits for teh old |
| 21:16.02 | Ackis | but that's from the activision-blizzard earnings call today |
| 21:16.29 | nicoli_s | thats so crazy |
| 21:16.52 | Ackis | making $2 million from something small and virtual is crazy |
| 21:17.16 | nicoli_s | and requiring almmost 0 work |
| 21:17.37 | Pneumatus | certainly the moonkin pet is trivial to implement |
| 21:17.43 | Pneumatus | at least the pandaren was a new model |
| 21:18.23 | Ackis | http://kotaku.com/5681960/ |
| 21:18.32 | Ackis | halo unlockables in kinectimals |
| 21:19.18 | Fisker | noone cares Ackis |
| 21:21.14 | olafski_ | cool |
| 21:21.21 | olafski_ | still haven't ordered my kinect :$ |
| 21:21.33 | olafski | I bought tropico 3 today though |
| 21:21.48 | Ackis | Fisker: i don't care about you |
| 21:22.46 | arkanes | even without a new model, the charity pets have custom AI & animations |
| 21:22.53 | arkanes | its not *quite* zero work, maybe like a 3 |
| 21:23.24 | Ackis | lets be charitable and say it takes one person a month to make it |
| 21:23.29 | arkanes | the moonkin probably won't be the actual moonkin model shrunken anyway |
| 21:23.49 | arkanes | no question its not a spectactular return on investment |
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| 21:31.24 | nicoli_s | not a spectacular return? |
| 21:31.24 | Ackis | #atviearningscall Morhaime still plans to launch a map marketplace for StarCraft, profit sharing with map creators |
| 21:32.15 | Ackis | http://yfrog.com/1sj1kdj |
| 21:32.45 | durcyn | for-pay sc2 maps? that seems a bit dubious. |
| 21:33.35 | Fisker | seems a bit old |
| 21:36.53 | sioraiocht | mikma: can one seen the Northern Lights from your house? |
| 21:41.35 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: the dubious part is the 'profit sharing' which makes it sound like blizz would be taking cuts from the profit |
| 21:42.20 | alestane | That doesn't seem any more dubious than Apple taking a cut of sales on the iTunes store. |
| 21:43.12 | Arrowmaster | well to me the term 'profit sharing' sound like taking a bigger cut than just minimum operating fees |
| 21:43.36 | alestane | And 30% is probably more than minimum operating fees too. |
| 21:44.10 | alestane | And in Blizzard's case, they're not just helping distribute it, they created the thing that makes it valuable in the first place. |
| 21:44.28 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i can make an "Im rich" map |
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| 21:45.03 | Jamash | they make you sign over your copyright which is much worse than anything Apple does |
| 21:45.42 | alestane | I'd have to see the actual terms of use before I made any judgements. |
| 21:46.01 | foxlit | ^ Jamash's remark is in the game manual |
| 21:46.11 | foxlit | You already do not own anything you make using SC2 |
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| 21:49.41 | kd3 | ~logs |
| 21:49.41 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily, or the log URL is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ |
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| 21:51.46 | cairenn | ~seen timriker |
| 21:52.01 | purl | timriker is currently on #bzflag (1d 7h 16m 37s) #utah (1d 7h 16m 37s) #infobot (1d 7h 16m 37s) #saygus (1d 7h 16m 37s) #elinux (1d 7h 16m 37s), last said: 'asterisk is orange and grey, not orange and purple, no?'. |
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| 21:56.48 | Fisker | finally |
| 21:56.50 | Angayelle | when using /run local localizedClass, englishClass = UnitClass("target"); print(RAID_CLASS_COLORS[englishClass]) it returns table: 1846D130 for a druid, i was expecting the exact value from the table |
| 21:56.51 | Fisker | lk hc down :o |
| 21:57.30 | Angayelle | i'm not used to use a table so far i'd say |
| 21:57.55 | Arrowmaster | Angayelle: use /dump RAID_CLASS_COLORS[select(2,UnitClass("target"))] |
| 22:01.07 | Angayelle | mmmmmh the dump command give the content of the table, using the print is does the same as me, now i'm gonna learn the diff between the two, ehe |
| 22:01.17 | Angayelle | thanks arrow |
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| 22:04.00 | zenzelezz | cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/04/funny-pictures-make-it-sew/ |
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| 22:04.18 | cairenn | heh |
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| 22:06.42 | Kraps | i never read comics in my life but the whole iron man 2/s.h.i.e.l.d/avengers/captain america thing excites me |
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| 22:09.20 | zenzelezz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/11/04/1940257/Cooks-Magazine-Claims-Web-Is-Public-Domain |
| 22:12.22 | industrial | zenzelezz: ...yeah. |
| 22:16.08 | olafski | isn't it? |
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| 22:16.34 | olafski | I mean if you can take the contents of an entire wiki and copy it elsewhere.... :-) |
| 22:17.04 | cairenn | .... oi |
| 22:17.30 | Lulia | Cairenn! |
| 22:17.36 | cairenn | hi |
| 22:17.39 | industrial | 'as long as they can't prove' doesn't hold morally imho |
| 22:17.43 | industrial | olafski: ^ |
| 22:17.45 | Lulia | I was going to ask you something, but I forgot :( |
| 22:18.00 | Xyphoid | your keys are in your jacket pocket |
| 22:18.10 | industrial | no, under the plant pot |
| 22:18.19 | Arrowmaster | industrial: doesnt generally hold up legally either |
| 22:18.56 | industrial | if you do that you are just being a thief and you know it, just as I haven't bought (or very little) software ever :P |
| 22:20.32 | industrial | Thats considering our (global) laws on intellectual property, which I don't agree with |
| 22:21.32 | industrial | I believe everything made by man should after some time be owned by everyone (alive, :P), imagine the cultural explosion. |
| 22:22.24 | industrial | and we have the technology to save everything we do moving forward anyway |
| 22:22.34 | industrial | so it's just going to be better in the future \o/ |
| 22:22.59 | olafski | that could also mean that nobody will share any knowledge =) |
| 22:23.21 | olafski | she could've just not shared the recipe instead |
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| 22:24.05 | industrial | what if you can make money off of something for eg 25 years, or 50, and then all your rights drop and everyone can take it and use it .. |
| 22:24.31 | Miirkat | Hey, could I ask for help on (hopefully) a very quick question on a bug I got |
| 22:24.38 | industrial | Miirkat: ofcourse! |
| 22:24.52 | Miirkat | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27508586500&sid=1 |
| 22:24.55 | industrial | olafski: as opposed to 83 years after the creators' death :p |
| 22:25.11 | Miirkat | this script is working so far, but it's displaying the spell icon extremely huge |
| 22:25.25 | Miirkat | I don't know the command that I should use to resize it |
| 22:25.38 | Miirkat | should I add a self.portrait:SetTexCoord? |
| 22:25.59 | industrial | Example: If it werent for classical music being everyone's we wouldn't have the music industry as it is now ... |
| 22:26.12 | industrial | famous composers |
| 22:26.44 | industrial | also doesn't everyone use everyone elses ideas in the fashion industry aswell? |
| 22:27.04 | industrial | mix match do wtf you want, result is AWZUM |
| 22:27.27 | industrial | talking to a wall again |
| 22:27.28 | olafski | I'll just go "meh" and then off to bed if that's ok industrial :-) I really couldn't care less either way.. but I'm pretty sure that if anyone could take my stuff I wouldn't give anyone my code |
| 22:27.41 | olafski | not like I like doing open source now actually but still :P |
| 22:27.58 | industrial | olafski: I already gave all my shit :D github.com/Industrial |
| 22:28.18 | industrial | fork it, etc. |
| 22:28.21 | olafski | yeah I obviously have some code out there too.. but I still dislike it :P |
| 22:28.29 | industrial | :O |
| 22:28.42 | olafski | it feels so communist hippie'ish |
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| 22:29.22 | a-stray-cat` | anyone know offhand what the question mark texture is? |
| 22:29.35 | a-stray-cat` | the one that shows up for buttons in macros? |
| 22:29.36 | industrial | nn too |
| 22:29.48 | olafski | nn, sorry a-stray-cat` =) |
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| 22:31.24 | Miirkat | anyone have any idea about my issue :X |
| 22:35.14 | zenzelezz | do you see the whole texture? |
| 22:35.30 | a-stray-cat` | is there a default GameTooltip lying about? or do i have to create my own? |
| 22:35.38 | Sintacks | Anyone know anything as to why the rep bar and exp bar aren't the same... size o.O |
| 22:35.50 | Sintacks | i've looked at them with and without addons. |
| 22:36.09 | Miirkat | zenzelezz: no, I only see a mox around the portrait, and about less and a 4th of the actual spell texture behind where the portrait window |
| 22:36.33 | Miirkat | -is |
| 22:37.50 | Miirkat | http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2839/wowscrnshot110410123719.jpg |
| 22:38.41 | zenzelezz | it does seem like that would be a texture coordinate issue, yeah |
| 22:39.03 | zenzelezz | try setting it to 0, 0, 1, 1 or whatever the syntax is for the whole texture |
| 22:39.44 | Miirkat | so it would be something like self.portrait:SetTexCoord( |
| 22:40.10 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin <-haters gonna hate |
| 22:40.38 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 22:42.02 | a-stray-cat` | wowpedia having problems? |
| 22:46.44 | Dotted | 24/7 |
| 22:47.45 | Miirkat | sweet zenzelezz, got it to wok |
| 22:47.52 | Miirkat | *work |
| 22:47.58 | Miirkat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.17 | zenzelezz | Miirkat: cool; and you were actually onto the solution yourself already :) |
| 22:48.18 | Miirkat | now is there any way to make the texture circular? |
| 22:49.37 | Miirkat | alternatively, I suppose I could just make custom icons that have transparency for circles, just wondering if there was any in game command to do it automatically |
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| 23:02.23 | Lulia | lua>local j = #(Res.Base.Frame)+1;print(j); |
| 23:02.24 | lua_bot | Lulia: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'Res' (a nil value) |
| 23:02.28 | Lulia | oops |
| 23:02.48 | Lulia | lua>local j = nil+1; |
| 23:02.48 | lua_bot | Lulia: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 23:02.58 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 23:03.46 | A-KO | okay |
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| 23:08.10 | A-KO | http://i56.tinypic.com/2w6xmw6.jpg < this is just wrong :( |
| 23:08.29 | pnorman | I have half a TF on my shaman |
| 23:08.54 | Aurorus | why is that wrong A-KO ? |
| 23:09.04 | Aurorus | is the battlemaster a GM or something? Got some uber weaps? |
| 23:10.41 | Motig | he's a walking guild achievement |
| 23:10.43 | Motig | :P |
| 23:12.21 | Miirkat | SetTexCoord(ULx,ULy,LLx,LLy,URx,URy,LRx,LRy) does this make a hexagon? |
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| 23:14.49 | Miirkat | oh nvm, derp |
| 23:14.51 | brandonjviles | hello everyone |
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| 23:44.09 | Sintacks | hmm.. does "UI Dev" include macros. lol |
| 23:59.16 | Corrodias2 | eh, sometimes |
