| 00:00.01 | Lulia | Hmm, I also have it firing on PLAYERS_ALIVE |
| 00:00.06 | Lulia | PLAYER_ALIVE* |
| 00:00.07 | Wobin | I suspect you have to provide your own |
| 00:00.16 | Lulia | So, that info apparently isn't available for either. |
| 00:00.48 | Programming_ | lulia, can you show paste code somewhere? |
| 00:01.02 | Programming_ | i just got through with a headach along the same lines |
| 00:01.54 | Lulia | Going to try IsVisible instead of IsShown |
| 00:02.01 | Lulia | But I'm testing something else first real quick |
| 00:03.14 | Lulia | Well that's curious... |
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| 00:03.39 | Lulia | My AddOn does a check to see if the user has the frames toggled to be hidden and hides them if they are. |
| 00:03.46 | Lulia | But, interestingly enough.. |
| 00:03.53 | Lulia | They must be getting shown again at some point |
| 00:04.17 | Lulia | Which may be why the event is having issues. |
| 00:07.26 | Lulia | Hmm, nope |
| 00:10.09 | Lulia | RuneFrame:Hide() inside of P_E_W failed to hide it |
| 00:10.13 | Lulia | But inside P_A it worked |
| 00:10.40 | foxlit | Everything happens for a reason. And all that. |
| 00:11.12 | Programming_ | how can i us a variable for the frame name paramater without the frame name ending up to be "table 03423428" |
| 00:11.16 | Programming_ | use* |
| 00:11.41 | Napoleone | is it possible to add icons into chat? |
| 00:11.59 | Napoleone | into a scrollingmessage frame.. kinda want roles as icons. |
| 00:12.19 | nevcairiel | Programming_: use a variable that actually contains a string, and not a table? :d |
| 00:12.44 | Programming_ | i didnt even realize it contained a table! |
| 00:12.50 | Maldivia | a frame is a table |
| 00:12.54 | Programming_ | ahhhh |
| 00:12.55 | Programming_ | i know |
| 00:13.31 | Programming_ | i keep getting stuck on little stuff, my logical flow is good, but the code is bad :D |
| 00:14.46 | Maldivia | Napoleone: yes you can |
| 00:16.09 | Maldivia | Napoleone: |Tpath\\to\\texture:size|t |
| 00:16.18 | Napoleone | kewl |
| 00:16.28 | Napoleone | size replace with the size? |
| 00:16.47 | Maldivia | yeah, for instance 16 |
| 00:17.10 | Maldivia | ofcourse, depends on your text size |
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| 00:22.51 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 00:22.55 | Wobin | hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAV_1jBJB4&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 00:23.23 | Napoleone | addin my custon roles icons.. and dps one just gets like an alpha of 0.2 |
| 00:23.41 | Napoleone | and just checked in photoshop.. alpha lvls and settings put correctly |
| 00:24.12 | Programming_ | local o = _G["SpellOverlay"..i]; print(o) |
| 00:24.20 | Programming_ | why is o nil |
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| 00:24.45 | Napoleone | are you sure _G["SpellOverlay"..i] outs a value there? ;P |
| 00:24.48 | nevcairiel | because that global does not exist at the time of your inquiry |
| 00:24.50 | Shirik | because there is no SpellOverLay (i) |
| 00:24.53 | Maldivia | because SpellOverlayX doesn't exislt :) |
| 00:25.09 | Programming_ | ok |
| 00:25.40 | Programming_ | now im seing why my frame name is table 0324023492 |
| 00:25.57 | nevcairiel | if you dont give it any name, it will also look like its named like that |
| 00:26.02 | Programming_ | yeah |
| 00:26.04 | Programming_ | ok |
| 00:26.15 | nevcairiel | if you use framestack to look, anyway |
| 00:26.19 | Programming_ | back to the chalkboard |
| 00:26.33 | Napoleone | wish i had a study with those whiteboards all over ;P |
| 00:26.57 | nevcairiel | I'm still meaning to get a whiteboard on one of the free walls here |
| 00:26.58 | Lulia | That's odd, there's no reference to RuneFrame in the Pitbull files |
| 00:27.03 | nevcairiel | need to put that on my list of things to do |
| 00:27.07 | Lulia | But I know it hides the frame... |
| 00:27.25 | Maldivia | isn't runeframe a child of playerframe? |
| 00:27.27 | nevcairiel | Lulia: it hides the player frame, the rune frame is probably a child of the player frame..? |
| 00:28.10 | Lulia | I'm pretty sure RuneFrame is a child of UIParent |
| 00:28.10 | Lulia | Let me double check |
| 00:28.14 | Jerub | interesting. |
| 00:28.40 | Lulia | <Frame name="RuneFrame" parent="UIParent" frameStrata="LOW" toplevel="true" hidden="false"> |
| 00:30.09 | Napoleone | ok now the icons almost reversed.. 2 of em are alphaed out |
| 00:30.12 | Napoleone | wtf.... |
| 00:30.34 | Maldivia | having trouble with the alpha channel ? :) |
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| 00:31.30 | Napoleone | well before the tank ikon was good. now that one is faded out |
| 00:31.48 | Lulia | So, RuneFrame isn't a child of the player frame... |
| 00:31.50 | Napoleone | and i use the icons for my own role checker. so i know they look awesome ;P |
| 00:31.55 | Dajova | hmm, anyone can spot the error in this code? http://paste.wowace.com/a076v9yurqsbwpxn/ |
| 00:32.14 | Dajova | i keep on getting a bad argument |
| 00:32.19 | Maldivia | what line |
| 00:32.31 | Lulia | And suddenly it's working... |
| 00:32.33 | Dajova | 310 |
| 00:33.08 | Dajova | the strange thing is that the code works, but im getting error anyway :P |
| 00:33.15 | Maldivia | pets doesn't exist there |
| 00:33.25 | Maldivia | pets exists from 284-293 |
| 00:33.40 | foxlit | also, your indentation? Horrible. |
| 00:33.54 | Dajova | well |
| 00:34.14 | Dajova | the thing is that i dont get a error whatsoever if i remove all "TukuiCF["unitframes"].partypets" |
| 00:34.23 | foxlit | I mean, you'd be able to see that pets is not in scope if you properly outdented the end corresponding to that if. |
| 00:34.26 | Dajova | its just when its there |
| 00:36.29 | Maldivia | Dajova: try indenting your code, then you will probably see that you have incorrect scopes |
| 00:38.20 | Dajova | meh, ill just comment out those lines until i find out a way to fix it :P |
| 00:38.48 | Maldivia | the problem is that pets is not in the same scope as where you're trying to use it |
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| 00:38.57 | Maldivia | fixing the indentation will show you that |
| 00:39.33 | sylvanaar | recommends a smarter editor |
| 00:40.57 | Jerub | what's "Primal Madness <NNF>" mean? it's a talent |
| 00:41.15 | adys_ | name not final |
| 00:41.46 | Lulia | Hmm, .blp doesn't need an extension in the script but .tga does? |
| 00:42.20 | adys_ | correct (ish) |
| 00:42.32 | Lulia | seems silly :P |
| 00:42.58 | adys_ | files in the MPQs do not need extensions due to how storm works |
| 00:43.00 | foxlit | what makes you think tga does? |
| 00:43.08 | adys_ | files on disk do |
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| 00:43.28 | Lulia | Oh, actually, I might know what the problem is |
| 00:43.35 | Maldivia | no |
| 00:43.43 | Maldivia | files on disk does not need extension |
| 00:43.57 | Kraps | wisenheimer (noun) An upstart who makes conceited, sardonic, insolent comments. |
| 00:43.57 | foxlit | ^ I'm pretty sure I have some code that works without the extension, too. |
| 00:44.02 | adys_ | um |
| 00:44.04 | adys_ | thats new then |
| 00:44.10 | foxlit | No. |
| 00:44.14 | Maldivia | none of my addons use extensions for textures |
| 00:44.15 | foxlit | That's very old. |
| 00:44.18 | adys_ | i remember playing with that in the bc days at least, and it did need extensions |
| 00:44.19 | MentalPower | its always been like that |
| 00:44.23 | Maldivia | and some of the code is from 1.5 |
| 00:44.42 | adys_ | oO |
| 00:44.47 | Lulia | It's because I didn't exit the game. But interestingly enough, if an image changes but the name doesnt, you dont need to exit the game to see it. |
| 00:45.46 | Maldivia | wow scans the directory structure on start up, new files added after startup are not recognized |
| 00:46.40 | Lulia | Right, but I thought it cached the files too, so that if an image file changed it wouldn't show up |
| 00:46.44 | Maldivia | you can change existing files, and the changes will be picked up (.toc with some limitations, textures can be cached) |
| 00:46.46 | Lulia | But apparently that's not the case |
| 00:47.11 | Maldivia | afaik, ui reload purges texture cache |
| 00:47.33 | Lulia | But doesnt check for new images or files |
| 00:47.45 | Maldivia | no, since as I said, that only happend when the client starts |
| 00:48.34 | foxlit | "Wired: 2.52GB" |
| 00:48.43 | foxlit | Come on, kernel, what are you doing? |
| 00:49.06 | Maldivia | foxlit: it's having a Bondage phase? |
| 00:49.13 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/30/scarlet-blouse-gentleman-recieves-npc-for-fact-checking-efforts/ |
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| 01:01.31 | Mirrormn | I was under the impression that that screenshot is fake |
| 01:07.45 | Kraps | a friend of mine supposes that Minion gave him a keylogger |
| 01:08.15 | Shirik | a friend of mine supposes that he's full of crap |
| 01:08.18 | Shirik | oh wait, that's me |
| 01:08.58 | pantsninja | does Lua care about the order of functions? |
| 01:09.13 | Shirik | to an extent |
| 01:09.29 | Shirik | `function foo() ... end` is equivalent to `foo = function() ... end` |
| 01:09.35 | Mirrormn | depends where you're storing the functions |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | for that reason, you have to make sure it is assigned before it is used |
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| 01:09.46 | pantsninja | the caller function has to be below the definition of the function it's calling? |
| 01:09.55 | Shirik | but that doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be above the usage |
| 01:10.07 | Shirik | not necessarily |
| 01:10.25 | Mirrormn | it's not the physical position that matters as much as the actual order of execution |
| 01:10.34 | pantsninja | well, yeah |
| 01:10.55 | pantsninja | but in some languages they cared about positioning. Like C/C++, I believe |
| 01:11.04 | Mirrormn | functions are treated much as variables in Lua |
| 01:11.07 | Shirik | the physical position does not matter... much |
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| 01:12.02 | pantsninja | hrm |
| 01:12.18 | pantsninja | how about I just rearrange stuff to where I want it to be and see if it breaks? :) |
| 01:12.26 | Mirrormn | lua> local table = {}; local function foo(a) table.bar(a) end; function table.bar(a) print(a) end; foo(10); |
| 01:12.26 | lua_bot | Mirrormn: 10 |
| 01:13.14 | Mirrormn | lua> local function foo(a) bar(a) end; local function bar(a) print(a) end; foo(10); |
| 01:13.14 | lua_bot | Mirrormn: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'bar' (a nil value) |
| 01:13.45 | pantsninja | ahhh |
| 01:13.47 | pantsninja | ok |
| 01:14.13 | pantsninja | that's what I figured |
| 01:16.17 | Mirrormn | it's more an issue of scoping, really |
| 01:16.36 | pantsninja | right |
| 01:20.00 | Hirsute | Wait.... |
| 01:20.26 | Hirsute | local function bar(a) print(a) end local function foo(a) bar(a) end foo(10) |
| 01:20.26 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5677061/world-of-warcrafts-greatest-fan-explains-his-awesome-awkward-blizzcon-appearance |
| 01:20.33 | Hirsute | lua> local function bar(a) print(a) end local function foo(a) bar(a) end foo(10) |
| 01:20.33 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 10 |
| 01:20.55 | Hirsute | So, why doesn't it work the other way around? |
| 01:21.33 | pantsninja | Hirsute: if the functions are considered variables, then you're trying to use a variable that hasn't been defined yet |
| 01:21.40 | pantsninja | if you swap them |
| 01:22.06 | foxlit | 'When using pronouns for persons of unknown gender, "him or her" is acceptable. "Them" is reserved for giant ants.' |
| 01:22.19 | pantsninja | FakeAPStylebook |
| 01:22.37 | Hirsute | That might explain the problem I'm having issues in this demo addon I'm writing, actually... |
| 01:23.34 | Wobin | <3 FakeAPStylebook |
| 01:24.40 | Kraps | huggles Shirik |
| 01:34.41 | Programming_ | is this correct : if a and not b = true if a is true and b is false |
| 01:34.59 | Programming_ | ahh, |
| 01:35.08 | Programming_ | thats kinda hard to read :D |
| 01:35.48 | Seerah | why not just if a and not b then |
| 01:36.26 | Seerah | though with that and yours above, it would still continue if b were nil, not sure if that affects your code |
| 01:36.52 | Seerah | if you need b to be false and not nil then... if a and b == false then |
| 01:37.14 | Programming_ | ok |
| 01:37.15 | Programming_ | thanks |
| 01:37.47 | Seerah | btw, it may have just been a typo, but... b = true is an assignment, b == true is a comparison |
| 01:38.10 | Programming_ | yeah, you misunderstood me, but it turns out you have my anser anyway |
| 01:38.39 | Seerah | not sure how I misunderstood you, but good :) |
| 01:38.56 | Programming_ | i was trying to say, "if a and not b" evalutes true when a is true and b is false |
| 01:39.09 | Seerah | right |
| 01:39.20 | Seerah | which is what it read as, and what I wrote :) |
| 01:40.20 | Seerah | unless you were asking if it evaluated to true instead of asking if it was correct? |
| 01:40.26 | Programming_ | well, the b = true was not part of the code, it was supposed to end at b :D |
| 01:40.55 | Seerah | ah |
| 01:41.09 | Programming_ | see i suck at english, i should just give up on programming |
| 01:41.24 | Seerah | nah, it's a separate language ;) |
| 01:44.33 | foxlit | Poor blackwing :( |
| 01:47.15 | Napoleone | just to be certain if i have a custom fundtion called pp_roll() if i want to execute that when i click a button. pp_butr:SetScript("OnClick", pp_roll()) |
| 01:47.38 | Napoleone | function* |
| 01:48.43 | MentalPower | nop |
| 01:48.53 | MentalPower | that would execute the result of pp_roll() |
| 01:49.08 | MentalPower | what you want is pp_butr:SetScript("OnClick", pp_roll) |
| 01:50.01 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 01:50.10 | Napoleone | wouldnt that just look for the variable? |
| 01:50.38 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. |
| 01:50.49 | Hirsute | This might also help explain some of the problems I'm having. |
| 01:51.31 | Napoleone | what? |
| 01:51.49 | Hirsute | Is there anyway to pass my own arguments to an OnClick, OnEvent? Any way to do SetScript("OnEvent",my_OnEvent(foo,bar))? |
| 01:52.29 | Mirrormn | there's no way to explicitly pass them as arguments to the function |
| 01:52.41 | pantsninja | wow |
| 01:52.46 | Hirsute | Well, the perfectly explains the problem I've been having. |
| 01:52.47 | pantsninja | my addon does stuff and it works |
| 01:53.02 | Mirrormn | but, you can use an anonymous function |
| 01:53.04 | pantsninja | this is amazing |
| 01:53.06 | Hirsute | I guess I'm going to have to go make these variables locals outside the scope of all these functions. |
| 01:53.21 | Mirrormn | nope, Hirsute |
| 01:53.57 | Mirrormn | if you use an anonymous function, it will be able to see any local variables in the current scope |
| 01:54.11 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: You mean, SetScript("OnEvent", function () my_OnEvent(foo,bar) end)? |
| 01:54.16 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 01:54.46 | Hirsute | That might be an easier fix, then. |
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| 01:55.00 | Hirsute | shakes his head. |
| 01:55.06 | Mirrormn | more specifically, "local foo = <whatever>; local bar = <whatever>; frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function() my_OnEvent(foo, bar) end);" |
| 01:55.26 | Mirrormn | the magic of closures! |
| 01:56.45 | Napoleone | aaaah |
| 01:56.51 | Napoleone | so thats the solution to my problem aswell ;P |
| 01:58.21 | Hirsute | And if I did local foo, bar = blah,baz frame:SetScript("OnEvent",function() myOnEvent(foo,bar,...) end), would that work as well, provided myOnEvent had something along the lines of function my_OnEvent(dafoo,dabarr,self,event,...)? |
| 01:58.41 | Hirsute | well, "blah","baz" |
| 01:59.30 | Mirrormn | no |
| 01:59.52 | Mirrormn | you have to do "local foo, bar = blah,baz frame:SetScript("OnEvent",function(...) myOnEvent(foo,bar,...) end)" |
| 02:00.10 | Mirrormn | gotta capture those arguments from wow |
| 02:00.14 | Kraps | Shirik: are you still working on minion? |
| 02:00.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:00.33 | foxlit | Kraps: trick question |
| 02:00.49 | Kraps | foxlit: why? |
| 02:01.40 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: that answer is like asking if people are still working on Duke Nukem |
| 02:02.15 | Dagmar | The answer to that one is tricky. |
| 02:02.52 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: Oh yea, dur, thanks! |
| 02:05.25 | Hirsute | Ah, Jamash is gone. I got bored during dinner and diagrammed that table set out. :( http://goo.gl/Q4RD |
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| 02:12.01 | Mr_Rabies | gah managing all my spells between 2 specs is a total pain on a druid |
| 02:12.57 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could just tell my bear spec to copy all my bars and stuff from my cat spec, and then i can modify it from there :/ |
| 02:14.15 | Mr_Rabies | is there an addon to facilitate me in doing that, or at least tell me which spells i don't have on a bar yet or something? it's such a pain switching back and forth |
| 02:15.40 | Dagmar | Most button bar addons can deal with that |
| 02:15.54 | Dagmar | Macaroon's bars are configurable as to whether they switch when you change specs |
| 02:16.09 | Dagmar | Now that dual-spec is cheap, I'm using it on two of my toons. |
| 02:16.12 | ZorbaTHut | macaroon's bars aren't standard bars, which bugs me. I want to be able to drag abilities around. so much easier |
| 02:16.41 | Dagmar | I can drag mine around. |
| 02:18.41 | Lulia | Hmm, Blizz really likes to distort my images |
| 02:21.00 | Ackis | derp derp derp |
| 02:21.10 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Mr_Rabies: Dominos can.. Just copy your bear profile, and change the name. Adapt a little to cat spec :) |
| 02:21.25 | Ackis | ive drunk beer tonight |
| 02:21.30 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and that's my queue to go back upstairs .. my toes are blue |
| 02:21.30 | Ackis | om nom nom nom |
| 02:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | Thanks MoonWitch|Mobile |
| 02:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i'm using bartender, i guess i should scour its options a bit better then |
| 02:22.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | should have similar options :) |
| 02:24.00 | Napoleone | how do i send a message to raid? |
| 02:24.22 | Napoleone | found it |
| 02:24.41 | Ackis | I type /raid |
| 02:24.49 | Thunder_Child | damit Ackis |
| 02:25.00 | Ackis | it thunder_man |
| 02:29.27 | Sintacks | Has anyone made an addon to hide and move the new raid popout arrow thing... |
| 02:30.32 | MentalPower | wonders where the hell his laptop's mouse is... |
| 02:31.02 | Hirsute | The cat ate it. |
| 02:31.07 | MentalPower | no cat... |
| 02:32.07 | Cairenn | ... can't resist, just can't! |
| 02:32.14 | Cairenn | MentalPower: it's with your glasses! |
| 02:32.29 | MentalPower | nice one Cair :) |
| 02:32.40 | Cairenn | *grin*tease* |
| 02:32.42 | MentalPower | when are you going to do the BC writeup? |
| 02:33.06 | Cairenn | debating not, because if I do, you guys are bound to add details :p |
| 02:33.30 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:33.57 | MentalPower | awwww... |
| 02:37.32 | Dagmar | DrNick: Always take a bucket of water with you. |
| 02:39.32 | Ackis | asdf |
| 02:43.10 | MentalPower | hmm... the in one of the nightstand's drawers... I wonder how it got there.... |
| 02:44.31 | Cairenn | not |
| 02:44.33 | Cairenn | saying |
| 02:44.35 | Cairenn | a word |
| 02:48.31 | Thunder_Child | you just said 4 |
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| 03:10.04 | Dajova | http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/106191159-4.jpg suggestions/ideas? :) |
| 03:13.37 | Shirik | stop using xfire |
| 03:13.59 | Dajova | slaps Shirik around with a large woman. |
| 03:14.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:14.11 | Dajova | :( |
| 03:18.01 | Thunder_Child | steam is looking for some new employees |
| 03:18.37 | Thunder_Child | "Requirements: 5+ years experience building commercial software in C++. Strong C++ and fundamental computer science skills. Experience building high-scale, high-reliability network e-commerce products a plus. A bachelor's degree in computer science or equivalent." |
| 03:18.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 03:18.50 | Shirik | bullshit |
| 03:18.58 | Shirik | "high-reliability" |
| 03:19.08 | Shirik | I would put money on the fact that they have no quality process at all |
| 03:19.19 | Dajova | i didnt understand a shit what you just said, so i guess i'll go ahead and apply for that job! |
| 03:20.06 | Shirik | I know that Valve isn't CMMI |
| 03:20.10 | Shirik | so... |
| 03:20.25 | Thunder_Child | wow, you people are brats |
| 03:20.45 | Dajova | anything below 40 is bats :P |
| 03:20.50 | Dajova | *brats |
| 03:20.56 | Shirik | I'm just getting sick of how job positions are turning into marketing |
| 03:21.12 | Shirik | They throw words around like "high reliability" just because it sounds better |
| 03:21.40 | Thunder_Child | yea, it sucks to want something that stays up longer |
| 03:21.57 | Thunder_Child | eg. viagra |
| 03:22.00 | Shirik | that's not what I'm saying |
| 03:27.16 | pantsninja | Does anyone know if there's an API for doing the Raid Warning style announcements? Raid Warning only works in a party, but I know when certain bosses do a special ability, WoW puts up those kinds of announcements regardless of whether you're in a party |
| 03:27.45 | Shirik | Yes |
| 03:27.49 | Shirik | Um |
| 03:27.55 | Shirik | I forget what it is |
| 03:28.00 | Shirik | but it's a frame that you want to use |
| 03:28.04 | pantsninja | ah |
| 03:28.11 | Shirik | !api RaidWarningFrame |
| 03:28.11 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'RaidWarningFrame'. |
| 03:28.17 | Shirik | It's something like that |
| 03:28.23 | pantsninja | ok |
| 03:28.38 | pantsninja | It's a starting point. Thanks :) |
| 03:29.19 | pantsninja | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML/MessageFrame ? |
| 03:29.50 | Shirik | well yes that's it, but you would probably want to call the frame itself not create your own |
| 03:29.53 | Shirik | though you could create your own |
| 03:30.22 | pantsninja | ok. I have no idea how to do that, so time to start looking at examples! :D |
| 03:30.33 | pantsninja | Thanks |
| 03:30.57 | Shirik | if you use /framestack it should show up, even if there's no messages in it |
| 03:31.06 | Shirik | the frame is always shown, just invisible |
| 03:31.13 | pantsninja | kk |
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| 03:32.40 | pantsninja | up until now, I've just been printing junk out to see how my stuff is working. It's time to actually add UI elements. :) |
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| 03:46.45 | Lulia | Who wants to see screen shots of the new images for my AddOn?? :D |
| 03:47.00 | bluspacecow | ooo me me |
| 03:47.04 | Lulia | wooo! |
| 03:47.06 | Lulia | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=18564 |
| 03:47.16 | Lulia | Wowinterface actually holds larger pictures than Photobucket |
| 03:47.32 | Lulia | Just gotta click on them and then "magnify" it |
| 03:48.20 | bluspacecow | its purdy |
| 03:48.33 | Lulia | :D |
| 03:48.58 | Napoleone | hmm is there a way to make a timer to print a message every 5 seconds? |
| 03:49.01 | pantsninja | Shirik: for reference, RaidNotice_AddMessage( RaidBossEmoteFrame, "This is a TEST of the MESSAGE!", ChatTypeInfo["RAID_BOSS_EMOTE"] ); |
| 03:49.14 | Shirik | hm that's not what I was thinking off |
| 03:49.19 | Shirik | but that will work too I guess |
| 03:49.20 | Lulia | If you make an OnUpdate timer, Napoleone, yeah |
| 03:49.33 | pantsninja | I yanked that out of RaidWarning.lua |
| 03:49.40 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 03:49.41 | Lulia | Just have the timer set to 5 instead of 1 |
| 03:49.49 | pantsninja | Could also use UIErrorFrame:AddMessage(...) |
| 03:50.19 | Shirik | yeah that's more like what I was thinking of |
| 03:50.25 | pantsninja | or I could make my own frame |
| 03:50.25 | Shirik | it's probably RaidBossEmoteFrame:AddMessage(...) |
| 03:50.40 | pantsninja | Yeah, that one actually doesn't work |
| 03:50.52 | pantsninja | (go figure) |
| 03:50.54 | Shirik | well then I would look at the implementation for RaidNotice_AddMessage |
| 03:50.57 | Deveyus | I asked this early this morning, but I fell asleep in my chair and never saw if someone answered: Why doesn't this work: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142255 -- The name of my mailbox frame is correct (I triple checked...) |
| 03:50.58 | Shirik | see how it does it |
| 03:51.09 | Shirik | ~doesntwork |
| 03:51.10 | purl | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that's the problem |
| 03:51.48 | Shirik | eh, shouldn't that be MailFrame:GetWidth() and MailFrame:GetHeight()? |
| 03:52.04 | Deveyus | *headdesk* Prolly. |
| 03:52.15 | Deveyus | Always the simple things. |
| 03:52.23 | Kraps | i did pretty good today in moh |
| 03:52.52 | Deveyus | Still getting used to all this. |
| 03:53.12 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i spent much of today DL'ing all the crap i bought |
| 03:53.21 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:53.22 | Thunder_Child | i really should wait till i get my uverse |
| 03:53.28 | Thunder_Child | on the 9th |
| 03:53.30 | Kraps | play anything? |
| 03:53.42 | Thunder_Child | devil may cry 4 |
| 03:54.29 | Kraps | the devil may cry series interests me |
| 03:54.40 | Kraps | how is it? |
| 03:55.10 | Thunder_Child | interesting |
| 03:55.22 | Thunder_Child | though there really isnt a good way to do the bindings |
| 03:56.19 | Kraps | key bindings? |
| 03:56.30 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 03:57.03 | Deveyus | Bah, the change didn't help Shirik.. |
| 03:57.15 | Thunder_Child | nothing helps Shirik |
| 03:57.23 | Shirik | well you're going to need a little more than "doesn't work" |
| 03:57.43 | Deveyus | It fails silently to do anything. |
| 03:57.54 | Shirik | do you have errors enabled? |
| 03:57.55 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i really dont want to spend $1000 on a mattress |
| 03:58.12 | Trela | Why that much? |
| 03:58.28 | Thunder_Child | latex foam |
| 03:58.30 | Deveyus | I think so? (sorry, new to working in WoW ...) |
| 03:58.51 | Deveyus | I've gotten error dialogs before... |
| 03:59.23 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: go to sleepy's ONE DAY ONLY SALE that they have every wednesday |
| 03:59.34 | Shirik | ok what did you write |
| 04:00.10 | Deveyus | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142283 |
| 04:01.55 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: closest one seems to be about 2.3K miles from me |
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| 04:07.24 | Deveyus | Forget it I guess, I'll just do it off to the side like I had originally planned, it is a bit easierthat way. |
| 04:08.44 | A-KO | A party-goer died after swallowing two spoonfuls of internet-bought pure caffeine powder with the same strength as 70 cans of Red Bull, an inquest heard yesterday. |
| 04:08.44 | A-KO | Michael Bedford washed the substance down with an energy drink, leaving him with a massive 251mg of caffeine per litre of blood in his system. |
| 04:08.44 | A-KO | Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324722/Party-goer-killed-2-spoonfuls-caffeine-powder--equivalent-70-Red-Bulls.html?ITO=1490#ixzz13uF5b1TO |
| 04:08.59 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 04:09.30 | Lulia | What do you guys use as standard width and height values for your sliders? |
| 04:09.55 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: is it hard to play, being a console port? |
| 04:11.10 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/S1IHP.jpg |
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| 04:19.05 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: mlb2k10 is shit, everything is labeled for xbox |
| 04:20.12 | Napoleone | anyone lvled on cata yet? |
| 04:20.20 | Kraps | and needs a thumbstick |
| 04:21.46 | Kraps | 2 in fact |
| 04:27.09 | Deveyus | if I use CheckInbox() and the event fires to let me know that the server has responded, how do I return the number of mail messages still on the server, byeond the inbox (I know postal used to do this, but doesn't seem to anymore.) |
| 04:27.16 | Lulia | Anyone know the default Editbox information that goes in CreateFrame ? |
| 04:29.18 | airtonix | !wowprogramming |
| 04:29.35 | Lulia | ah yes |
| 04:29.41 | airtonix | or |
| 04:29.45 | Lulia | I default to wowpedia |
| 04:29.48 | Lulia | But it's a bit lacking |
| 04:29.55 | Lulia | I should be defaulting to wowprogrammin |
| 04:29.57 | airtonix | there is a site that dumps exports of the xml templates |
| 04:30.00 | Lulia | wowprogramming* |
| 04:30.06 | Lulia | I don't want it in XML though |
| 04:30.07 | Lulia | :P |
| 04:30.16 | airtonix | then you don't want to know what you want to know then |
| 04:30.19 | airtonix | simple |
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| 04:30.37 | A-KO | I recommend everyone see Inception :P |
| 04:30.50 | airtonix | mindfuck, when you see it |
| 04:31.00 | Lulia | Umm, I want to do it in Lua because I prefer using Lua over XML |
| 04:31.15 | airtonix | Lulia, where did i say that you had to do it in xml |
| 04:31.24 | A-KO | Lulia: There's a place for both in WoW UI modding. I'd recommend it's better to separate the functional code from the UI code, but maybe that's just me. :P |
| 04:31.28 | airtonix | Lulia, also, you don't "program" in xml... |
| 04:31.42 | Lulia | <airtonix> then you don't want to know what you want to know then |
| 04:31.48 | airtonix | Lulia, the m stands for markup |
| 04:31.54 | Lulia | Sort of implies, in response to my comment, that you preferred I use XML |
| 04:32.01 | Lulia | I'm aware, airtonix |
| 04:32.19 | Lulia | eXtended Markup Language |
| 04:32.20 | Lulia | XML |
| 04:32.28 | airtonix | Lulia, maybe you're missing the point then... those xml templates are the only place that will show you what you want to know |
| 04:32.35 | Lulia | Just because you want to assume I'm an idiot because I ask a question doesn't mean that I am. |
| 04:33.12 | airtonix | extensible |
| 04:33.15 | Hirsute | Well, extensible markup language, but meh. |
| 04:33.55 | Lulia | Fine, extensible. The point is, I know what a Markup language is, and what a Scripting language is. |
| 04:34.03 | Lulia | I don't need to be told that, I didn't ask about it. |
| 04:34.08 | airtonix | Lulia, the default behaviour or whatever it is you want.. is only defined in XML from the default interface mods... which you will find if you hunt on google. |
| 04:34.25 | Mirrormn | someone needs to do some heavy SEO for wowpedia.org |
| 04:34.33 | Lulia | It's not the default behavior I want |
| 04:34.36 | Mirrormn | so I can google API commands and get wowpedia results |
| 04:34.40 | Lulia | I just want the name of the default image template |
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| 04:34.57 | Lulia | Like what we have for Sliders: OptionsSliderTemplate |
| 04:34.58 | airtonix | Lulia, apparently you do, because i assumed you understood that the XML files will give you clues as to how the stuff is put together regardless of what language you use |
| 04:35.12 | Lulia | No, it's not apparent that I do. |
| 04:35.18 | Lulia | You made a fairly bad assumption. |
| 04:35.22 | Lulia | poor* |
| 04:35.27 | Cairenn | geezus guys, chill |
| 04:35.31 | airtonix | No i made the assumption that you were not stupid |
| 04:35.34 | Cairenn | like, seriously |
| 04:36.00 | Lulia | You didn't make that assumption or you wouldn't have treated me like I'm stupid. |
| 04:36.18 | Cairenn | Lulia: hi, take a look at my name, and listen to what I just said |
| 04:36.27 | Cairenn | calm |
| 04:36.28 | Cairenn | down |
| 04:36.39 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 04:36.42 | Lulia | Sorry, Cairenn. |
| 04:36.49 | Hirsute | Which is defined in FrameXML or in the addon XML files, because that's where Blizzard put it. The recommendation to look at the XML templates isn't a recommendation to do anything in XML, but to look for information in a place that it can definitely be found if you're having a hard time finding it elsewhere. |
| 04:36.50 | Lulia | I just don't like being treated like a dumbass. |
| 04:37.01 | Cairenn | I'm not the one you to whom you owe the apology |
| 04:37.14 | Lulia | That's fine, Hirsute, I could have been told that without being told what the 'M' stands for in XML |
| 04:37.35 | Lulia | That's what irked me. Not being told where it was, but being told trivial information as if I was some idiot. |
| 04:38.18 | Cairenn | Lulia: okay, stop talking for a moment and listen to me, please? I'm going to explain why he said what he did. |
| 04:38.39 | Cairenn | You are new to the channel, so you don't understand the reasoning |
| 04:40.02 | Cairenn | We get all kinds in here. We get people in here that know absolutely nothing about programming whatsoever. It is not treating you as a dumbass for him to explain. It is him not knowing what your level of knowledge is, thus going with the lowest common denomination. That isn't an insult. That is a genuine attempt to assist. |
| 04:40.32 | Cairenn | Jumping down his throat was completely unreasonable of you. |
| 04:40.50 | Cairenn | He can't know how much knowledge you do or do not already possess. |
| 04:41.21 | Cairenn | We have people in here who have been programming for 30+ years. We get people in here that don't know what the M in xml stands for. |
| 04:41.54 | Lulia | I understand that, Cairenn, but telling me what the 'M' means in XML remains irrelevant to the conversation. Simply saying: You can find the information you need in FrameXML would have been sufficient information for a newbie or expert alike. |
| 04:41.59 | airtonix | sorry Lulia i could have said it differently |
| 04:42.06 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 04:42.07 | Cairenn | The ONLY thing we can do when talking to someone new is to presume the lowest common denominator, so as to not just confuse them even more and make them give up before they've even started. |
| 04:42.26 | Lulia | I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but I felt like I was treated like an idiot for asking a question. |
| 04:42.39 | Lulia | I'm sorry if I antagonized your answer, airtonix. |
| 04:42.52 | Cairenn | Again, understand the reasoning and that it wasn't an attempt to treat you like an idiot. |
| 04:43.15 | Deveyus | *tears* I think I just saw a reasonable and civil conversation on the internet. |
| 04:43.57 | Cairenn | Deveyus: they do happen from time to time, just don't tell anyone ;) |
| 04:47.25 | Lulia | Hmm, a search of the FrameXML folder doesn't seem to return CreateFrame("Edit nor does it return <EditBox |
| 04:49.14 | Shirik | Deveyus: Cairenn has two modes |
| 04:49.26 | Shirik | "Mother" mode in which she is reasonable, civil, and kind to everyone |
| 04:49.37 | Shirik | And "Female" mode in which she is trying to seduce us |
| 04:49.42 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:49.45 | Shirik | Occasionally both occur at the same time |
| 04:49.48 | Cairenn | and you guys love both of them |
| 04:50.20 | Lulia | hmm, that's odd, the search isn't returning "edit" either, which I know is in there. |
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| 04:52.13 | Lulia | Different approach: look through the addons I have for someone who does what I'm looking for ;) |
| 04:52.34 | Cairenn | (ps, I do actually have other modes, but it takes a lot for them to come out, and it usually isn't pretty when I'm pushed that far) |
| 04:53.10 | Mirrormn | what do you have like Alien mode where a tiny second Cairenn pops out of your mouth? |
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| 04:53.20 | Cairenn | ewwww, no |
| 04:53.22 | Cairenn | no no no |
| 04:53.27 | Cairenn | HATE that movie |
| 04:53.29 | Cairenn | HATE |
| 04:53.47 | Cairenn | hiya MoonWitch|Mobile :) |
| 04:54.09 | Cairenn | sent you a PM on WoWI, dunno if you saw it |
| 04:54.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | no I haven't I'll check right away |
| 04:54.39 | Cairenn | wasn't any big thing |
| 04:55.43 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh it was |
| 04:55.54 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it brought tears to my eyes |
| 04:55.59 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:56.04 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 04:56.23 | MoonWitch|Mobile | *hug* |
| 04:56.48 | Cairenn | I have no doubt you know precisely what it was in response to |
| 04:57.06 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I knew the moment you mentioned you sent a pm actually |
| 04:58.31 | MoonWitch|Mobile | have you ever seen all the Aliens movies? |
| 04:58.50 | Cairenn | skldjfkasjdfkljaslkdfhjasdhf |
| 04:58.59 | Cairenn | WHY are you guys talking about those tonight? |
| 04:59.08 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I don't know |
| 04:59.09 | Cairenn | HATE HATE HATE |
| 04:59.10 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 04:59.27 | Cairenn | (aka, yes, I saw the first, HATE HATE HATE) |
| 04:59.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but I have been wanting to use a quote from one of em to ask something |
| 04:59.47 | Mirrormn | aw, Alien was a good movie :( |
| 04:59.47 | Cairenn | go for it |
| 04:59.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but if you haven't seen the last one, the quote would totally miss the funny factor |
| 04:59.59 | Cairenn | not when you hate horrors, Mirrormn |
| 05:00.04 | Lulia | I feel like the bad guy :P |
| 05:00.14 | Mirrormn | well then you watch the Rifftrax version |
| 05:00.24 | Mirrormn | yay Rifftrax |
| 05:00.34 | MoonWitch|Mobile | see at a certain point Sigourney Weaver in Resurrection says "so who do I have to f*** to get off this boat" |
| 05:00.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and I wanted to quote "who do i have to f*** to get voice in here" |
| 05:00.58 | Cairenn | bah, that's in lots of movies - or variations thereof |
| 05:01.09 | Cairenn | me, baybee ;) |
| 05:01.19 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ok let'sgrab a pm :P |
| 05:01.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:01.36 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh my .. a-ko left >.< |
| 05:02.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | never found a good use for that quote, always wanted to use it ... |
| 05:02.21 | Shirik | Hey guys |
| 05:02.28 | Cairenn | heh, not the usual response when we get flirting, normally the guys all grab their video cameras ;) |
| 05:02.30 | Shirik | Let's talk about the aliens movies |
| 05:02.37 | Cairenn | spanks Shirik |
| 05:02.40 | Shirik | o.o; |
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| 05:02.50 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Shirik: spanking is a good thing |
| 05:02.55 | Mirrormn | that's so weird, Shirik, I was just thinking about the Aliens movies for some reason |
| 05:03.14 | Cairenn | okay, fine, t'hell with all of ya, I'm going to sleep |
| 05:03.17 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:03.20 | Shirik | aw :( |
| 05:03.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | awww |
| 05:03.28 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so you don't like horror |
| 05:03.30 | Shirik | that's not fair |
| 05:03.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | do you like thrillers/ |
| 05:03.50 | Cairenn | it was an okay song |
| 05:03.54 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 05:03.57 | MoonWitch|Mobile | LOL |
| 05:04.03 | Shirik | I can't even think of what kind of movie Cairenn would like |
| 05:04.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I could sing the nightmare on elmstreet song |
| 05:04.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | the movies that disturbed me most were cannibal holocaust, salo and goodbye mr goodbar (or something) |
| 05:04.45 | Cairenn | Shirik: if it involves blowing shit up, I usually enjoy :) |
| 05:04.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | die hard is good then :) |
| 05:05.07 | Cairenn | yep :) |
| 05:05.26 | Cairenn | and their ilk |
| 05:05.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i also happen to watch tear-your-heart-out movies |
| 05:06.07 | Cairenn | I actually like almost any type of movie other than horrors |
| 05:06.17 | MoonWitch|Mobile | you know, the type that leave you sitting there completely feeling bad and empty |
| 05:07.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and for the record, movies which contain patterns in skin -- those i can't watch |
| 05:07.28 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (and hellraiser wasn't one of em, twere boring movies) |
| 05:07.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and stephen kings' It traumatized me as child. I still hate clowns :P |
| 05:08.07 | Mirrormn | the only movie I've ever literally not been able to watch is Biodome |
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| 05:08.17 | MoonWitch|Mobile | never heard of it |
| 05:08.18 | Hirsute | Lulia: For what it's worth, here's a quick grep of "EditBox" on all files in FrameXML: http://www.pastey.net/142284 |
| 05:08.29 | Mirrormn | Pauly Shore "comedy" |
| 05:08.39 | MoonWitch|Mobile | have to check it |
| 05:08.43 | Hirsute | Well, it's a "find", rather than a "grep" because I apparently don't have wgrep on this computer at the moment. |
| 05:08.45 | Lulia | Thanks, I guess my editor sucks at searching batch files, Hirsute :( |
| 05:08.46 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ooh anyone seen Clockwork Orange? |
| 05:08.59 | Hirsute | Lulia: It happens. |
| 05:09.17 | Lulia | On the upside, I figured out how to get what I want without an Editbox |
| 05:09.21 | Cairenn | MoonWitch|Mobile: in this channel? I think the shorter list would be to ask who HASN'T seen it |
| 05:09.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | good point |
| 05:10.00 | Lulia | And I think I'm ready to roll out an update to the AddOn |
| 05:10.15 | MoonWitch|Mobile | was also a disturbing movie to me |
| 05:10.20 | Hirsute | I've got one computer whose search index is completely hosed, I have to stand on one hand and type with my toes while drinking water upside-down to get it to find anything. |
| 05:10.37 | Cairenn | Hirsute: lol, that's specific |
| 05:10.58 | Hirsute | Cairenn: My wife thinks it's hilarious. |
| 05:11.00 | ccox | After reviewing some items in Cataclysm, I wonder if we will ever hear the end of the Cogwheel jokes |
| 05:11.05 | Hirsute | And my four year old can't stop laughing. |
| 05:11.18 | Cairenn | ccox: :) |
| 05:11.27 | Hirsute | ccox: :) |
| 05:11.39 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I am amazed that your 4yo knows what a search index is... :) |
| 05:11.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:12.13 | Hirsute | He doesn't. He does know that watching Daddy stand on one hand and type with his toes while drinking water upside-down is pure comic gold, though. |
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| 05:12.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ah |
| 05:12.31 | MoonWitch|Mobile | trust the geek to miss a pun there ... sorry |
| 05:12.38 | Hirsute | :) |
| 05:13.08 | Lulia | We got any size/scale experts awake? |
| 05:13.09 | Lulia | ;) |
| 05:13.16 | MoonWitch|Mobile | no clue |
| 05:13.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but pose your question |
| 05:13.25 | Cairenn | *bites tongue* |
| 05:13.30 | MoonWitch|Mobile | perhaps the non-experts know it too :) |
| 05:13.42 | Lulia | lol |
| 05:14.06 | Mirrormn | ~asktoask |
| 05:14.06 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:14.20 | Lulia | Hey! :P I didn't ask to ask. |
| 05:14.23 | Lulia | I asked a question ;) |
| 05:14.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | trust a guy to miss a pun there |
| 05:14.27 | Cairenn | yes, but Mirrormn ... |
| 05:14.29 | Cairenn | ~irc |
| 05:14.29 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 05:15.08 | MoonWitch|Mobile | scratches balls in accordance with IRC rules |
| 05:15.09 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure how that's relevant |
| 05:15.10 | MoonWitch|Mobile | apparently |
| 05:15.22 | Mirrormn | but I *think* you just admitted that you are a man |
| 05:15.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well according to ~irc I am supposed to be a guy |
| 05:15.36 | Cairenn | and now that I have everyone *completely* confused |
| 05:15.36 | MoonWitch|Mobile | >.< |
| 05:15.37 | Cairenn | night |
| 05:15.46 | Lulia | Alright, well, I posted it earlier but Maldivia couldn't seem to find an answer. I have a function attached to a button which is supposed to reset the position and size of a frame back to its "defaults", unfortunately it seems to fail at doing this. If you hit reset it will often move it to a semi-random center location and often fail to resize the frame. However, if you do a /reload after a reset |
| 05:15.50 | MoonWitch|Mobile | <3 Cairenn|afk sweet dreams |
| 05:15.52 | Lulia | Everything works out just fine. |
| 05:16.00 | Lulia | Night, Cairenn |
| 05:16.21 | Lulia | Thus all of the values are being appropriately set, but, for some reason, the frame isn't redrawing without a /reload |
| 05:16.28 | Lulia | Appropriate script paste inc |
| 05:16.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I believe that's normal -- depending on the frame |
| 05:16.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I've had similar issues to be honest |
| 05:16.55 | Lulia | Well |
| 05:16.59 | Lulia | When the user does resize |
| 05:17.00 | MoonWitch|Mobile | hugs Seerah |
| 05:17.06 | Lulia | It redraws itself just fine. |
| 05:17.28 | Seerah | hugs MoonWitch|Mobile |
| 05:17.30 | Lulia | I tried enabling resizable on the frame for the reset, but no cigar. |
| 05:17.40 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well does the reset change the values on the fly? |
| 05:17.48 | Lulia | One sec |
| 05:17.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | aka does it shove new parameters into the variables |
| 05:18.08 | MoonWitch|Mobile | could be as simple as order of functions (which bit me in the butt more than once) |
| 05:18.12 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2756/ |
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| 05:20.04 | MoonWitch|Mobile | code actually looks correct |
| 05:20.15 | MoonWitch|Mobile | have ya tried with setwidth and setheight? |
| 05:20.28 | MoonWitch|Mobile | although the outcome should be the same |
| 05:21.09 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so i too am clueless, sorry |
| 05:21.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | < going back upstairs where the air is warm and the feet too |
| 05:24.01 | Lulia | back, sorry |
| 05:24.30 | Lulia | Oh, damn :( |
| 05:26.15 | Programming_ | is SetSize part of the api? i cant find it anywhere |
| 05:30.24 | Seerah | Programming_: no |
| 05:30.30 | Seerah | SetHeight() SetWidth() |
| 05:30.51 | Jamash | according to wowprogramming it is |
| 05:31.03 | Programming_ | lulia, did you create your own function called SetSize()? |
| 05:31.05 | Seerah | where? |
| 05:31.08 | Jamash | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetSize |
| 05:31.10 | Seerah | Programming_: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame |
| 05:31.13 | Programming_ | wtf |
| 05:31.13 | Lulia | No, it's a function for widgets |
| 05:31.15 | Programming_ | lol |
| 05:32.01 | Lulia | There's a page for WoW API stuff and a page for Widget API stuff |
| 05:32.32 | Programming_ | ight, well it wasnt listed on wowwiki listing |
| 05:32.39 | Lulia | Really? Hmm |
| 05:33.27 | Lulia | Well, I'd use wowpedia or wowprogramming anyways |
| 05:33.37 | Lulia | And both of them have it, as Seerah so beautifully linked. |
| 05:33.44 | Lulia | Oh, Jamash did too |
| 05:33.46 | Lulia | pfft |
| 05:34.12 | Jamash | it's not on wowpedia |
| 05:34.13 | Jamash | I looked |
| 05:34.23 | Lulia | really? |
| 05:34.32 | Jamash | oh god my addon exploded |
| 05:34.36 | Lulia | I'll ad it |
| 05:34.37 | Lulia | add* |
| 05:34.45 | Lulia | what did you do? |
| 05:34.54 | ZorbaTHut | KABOOM |
| 05:35.15 | Jamash | I'm not sure |
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| 05:35.22 | Jamash | it's splattered itself all over my screen |
| 05:35.31 | Jamash | SPOOKTACULAR |
| 05:35.35 | Programming | what is the reisdue made of? |
| 05:35.43 | Jamash | buttons |
| 05:36.21 | Programming | /nick gnimmargorP |
| 05:36.26 | Programming | ... |
| 05:36.30 | Lulia | lol |
| 05:36.40 | Programming | -.- |
| 05:37.23 | Jamash | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9441366/WoWScrnShot_103110_013605.jpg <--- kaboom |
| 05:37.41 | Lulia | It's now on WoWPedia |
| 05:37.47 | Jamash | it's really not supposed to do that |
| 05:37.52 | Mirrormn | it exploded in a very orderly fashion |
| 05:37.56 | Jamash | yeah |
| 05:38.21 | Lulia | lol, very orderly. |
| 05:38.26 | Mirrormn | I do, however, like how you took the SS on a slanted surface |
| 05:38.30 | Lulia | "Alright guys, we're going to break out into CHAOS" |
| 05:38.43 | Lulia | "Well... I'll do it, but only if we can form a straight line." |
| 05:38.45 | Lulia | "..." |
| 05:38.45 | Mirrormn | so it looks like the UI explosion knocked off your center of gravity or something |
| 05:38.55 | Jamash | that just happened to be the nearest place outside dalaran, but yes |
| 05:39.16 | Mirrormn | or, in fact, like you are being exploded away from the buttons |
| 05:39.20 | Programming_ | lulia |
| 05:39.32 | Lulia | hi |
| 05:39.40 | Programming_ | have you done frame:RegisterForClicks |
| 05:39.46 | Programming_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_RegisterForClicks |
| 05:39.48 | Jamash | oddly, bugsack says no lua errors |
| 05:40.00 | Lulia | I haven't used it, no |
| 05:40.06 | Programming_ | hold on |
| 05:40.10 | Jamash | registerforclicks only works on buttons and button derivatives, not frames in general |
| 05:40.38 | Lulia | I'd probably just use SetScript("OnClick, function() stuff end); |
| 05:41.13 | Lulia | s/Onclick/OnClick" |
| 05:41.21 | Lulia | Oh damn, I thought the bot would pick it up |
| 05:41.24 | Lulia | damn it all |
| 05:41.24 | Jamash | you had it right the first time |
| 05:41.31 | Jamash | oh I see |
| 05:41.38 | Jamash | you need a trailing / |
| 05:41.38 | Lulia | SetScript("OnClick", function() stuff end); |
| 05:41.39 | Mirrormn | mm |
| 05:41.41 | Programming_ | what about OnMouseDown? for an event? |
| 05:41.46 | Mirrormn | been coding all day long |
| 05:41.50 | Mirrormn | out of 17 open tickets |
| 05:41.53 | Lulia | You can do that too, Programming |
| 05:41.54 | Mirrormn | I closed 2 of them! |
| 05:41.57 | Mirrormn | yay me |
| 05:42.13 | Lulia | s/Programming/Programming_/ |
| 05:42.17 | Lulia | Woo |
| 05:42.28 | Lulia | <3 purl |
| 05:42.58 | Seerah | yay, pretty icon borders for LearningAid :) |
| 05:43.06 | Lulia | Holy shit: [01:42:41] <purl> The addressCharacter "~" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly. |
| 05:43.14 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:43.24 | Jamash | I didn't even do that, I got it for free from the new spellbook button template |
| 05:43.32 | Seerah | :) |
| 05:43.34 | Mirrormn | you have angered purl! |
| 05:43.58 | Mirrormn | I wonder if I started messaging really innapropriate advances towards purl if anyone would be around to read them |
| 05:44.06 | Jamash | chatbot backchat |
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| 05:48.21 | Hirsute | Oh, hey, Jamash. Just for you, I did this over dinner: http://goo.gl/Q4RD |
| 05:48.33 | Jamash | hawt |
| 05:48.53 | Jamash | I'll put it on my business cards |
| 05:49.03 | Jamash | as soon as I have a job where I need business cards |
| 05:50.15 | Jamash | actually that's really cool, how hard is it to make that sort of diagram with google docs? |
| 05:50.23 | Seerah | Is that like an Escher table? o.O |
| 05:50.31 | Seerah | Mobius table? |
| 05:50.34 | Seerah | :D |
| 05:50.40 | Seerah | is up past her bedtime |
| 05:51.09 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 4.0.x ToC: 40000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG || Can't be Halloween without: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc80tFJpTuo |
| 05:51.41 | Seerah | We watched the full-length Thriller at our school's halloween party on Thursday :) |
| 05:51.49 | Jamash | I was just saying that I wished my character could do the Time Warp in wow |
| 05:52.05 | Seerah | that should be a dance option in the dance studio :) |
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| 05:53.27 | TMc51 | Seerah: yeah, it should be an option. Too bad we likely won't see the dance studio for another 3 expansions. |
| 05:53.38 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk, wtf |
| 05:53.57 | Seerah | at BlizzCon they said that they are still working on it here and there, but they won't release it until it has "enough" options |
| 05:54.13 | Jamash | well, that had better be one of them |
| 05:54.17 | Jamash | or there shall be words |
| 05:54.33 | TMc51 | Seerah: I don't doubt it, but with how polished they like things to be when they release them, it probably will be a few years before we get it. |
| 05:54.45 | tem | Mirrormn, you watch any of the EG cup today? |
| 05:55.00 | Mirror|peelS | yes indeed |
| 05:55.08 | Mirror|peelS | it was quite an enjoyable tournament |
| 05:55.14 | Mirror|peelS | some really ridiculous matches |
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| 05:55.23 | TMc51 | What is Halloween without the greatest movie ever? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpvdAJYvofI |
| 05:55.52 | Mirror|peelS | I wish more people had seen my last commit message for WeakAuras :( |
| 05:56.31 | Hirsute | Jamash: Not difficult, really. |
| 05:57.00 | Jamash | cool |
| 05:57.02 | tem | Mirror|peelS, what did you think of HuK v Drewbie? |
| 05:57.33 | tem | People who have played the SC2 campaign: Will I get more use from the Overmind Simulator or the Zerg Slow thingy? |
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| 05:57.56 | Mirror|peelS | well, on the one hand, it was basically just Drewbie having 15 barracks and 1a-ing to huk's side of the map |
| 05:58.04 | Mirror|peelS | on the other hand, it was ridiculously fun to watch |
| 05:58.05 | Cairenn|afk | better, Shirik? |
| 05:58.08 | Lulia | I got the zerg slow thingy, +tem |
| 05:58.17 | Cairenn|afk | and no, I really do go sleep! |
| 05:58.21 | Lulia | The overmind simulator is only good on big units, really. |
| 05:58.23 | Cairenn|afk | s/no/now/ |
| 05:58.28 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 05:58.37 | Lulia | Aww, Cairenn |
| 05:58.56 | tem | Lulia, I am afraid I won't have many chances to use the slow thingy |
| 05:59.02 | Hirsute | Seerah: It's the result of letting MC Escher play with tables in Lua, yes. |
| 05:59.06 | Lulia | tem: I used it all over the place |
| 05:59.19 | Lulia | It works great next to defensive structures, ESPECIALLY in the last mission |
| 06:00.16 | Mirror|peelS | I found the mind control tower to be awesome for the last mission |
| 06:00.25 | Mirror|peelS | I mc'd so many ultralisks |
| 06:00.49 | Jamash | g'night purl |
| 06:00.55 | Jamash | I mean Cairenn|afk |
| 06:02.31 | Lulia | I found myself doing a lot of things other than microing Ultras in the last mission ;) |
| 06:02.57 | Lulia | tem: Long story short - It doesn't really matter which one you choose, both can be useful. Pick the one you feel you'll get more use out of in your personal playstyle. |
| 06:03.01 | Mirror|peelS | well you don't exactly have to micro them, just MC and let them die |
| 06:03.27 | Lulia | I suppose. I really just liked putting them next to defenses and watching units die before they reached them |
| 06:03.27 | Lulia | ;) |
| 06:03.58 | Mirror|peelS | I really should probably go to bed now |
| 06:04.05 | tem | oh wow |
| 06:04.12 | tem | a night/day concept in this mission |
| 06:04.19 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: overlord (demo) is goofy in a funny way |
| 06:04.23 | tem | they went all out to make the campaign be nifty |
| 06:04.34 | Mirror|peelS | did you do the one with the lava yet? |
| 06:05.03 | Lulia | The campaign is really well-done. |
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| 06:05.17 | Lulia | I can't wait to see how they do Heart of the Swarm, it's supposed to be more RPG-Centric |
| 06:05.17 | Jamash | I am so goddamn smart |
| 06:05.25 | Lulia | Which, in an RTS, sounds sort of interesting. |
| 06:05.31 | Jamash | I set my addon to log debug messages to its private table |
| 06:05.45 | Jamash | where I have absolutely no way of viewing them |
| 06:05.53 | Lulia | The SC2 Editor is amazing, if only their Battle.net support of maps wasn't so crappy. |
| 06:08.00 | Lulia | Have you guys seen some of what people have done? And I'm not talking about the Blizzard custom maps at Blizzcon, I'm talking about user stuff. |
| 06:08.19 | Jamash | I'm morally opposed to the terms of service attached to the map editor so I won't use it. |
| 06:08.24 | Mirror|peelS | I saw a couple that were in first-person perspective |
| 06:08.47 | Mirror|peelS | a WoW environment one, and then some kind of boss battles one |
| 06:08.52 | Mirror|peelS | they were both quite impressive |
| 06:09.50 | Lulia | Well, Jamash, their support of custom content on Battle.net is lacking, so I don't do much in it either. I made one map for the purpose of quick unit testing without having to open up a custom map every time and tossing units down. |
| 06:09.59 | Lulia | What specifically about the terms doesn't jive with you? |
| 06:10.29 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/188779354?page=1 |
| 06:11.13 | Lulia | Meh, seems more-or-less "par for course" on such things. |
| 06:11.17 | Jamash | no |
| 06:11.19 | Corrodias | it is not par for the course |
| 06:11.33 | Jamash | there is no other game that forces mod makers to sign over their copyrights |
| 06:11.38 | Corrodias | if you have no experience in the pc gaming community, and know only the world of consoles, it may SEEM like par |
| 06:11.39 | Lulia | It's not a custom-game making piece of software that you purchase. |
| 06:11.44 | Mirror|peelS | what if there was a clause in WoW that said blizzard owned your addons ^_^ |
| 06:11.44 | Jamash | yes, yes it is |
| 06:11.48 | Corrodias | that's not how we do things around here |
| 06:11.54 | Lulia | It's something they created specifically for SC2 that you can make custom games in. |
| 06:11.57 | Jamash | so? |
| 06:12.04 | Lulia | I wouldn't care, Mirror? |
| 06:12.09 | Jamash | You should care. |
| 06:12.10 | Corrodias | Lulia: you're right, and that's why it's shit. |
| 06:12.12 | Lulia | I'm not trying to profit from my AddOns |
| 06:12.17 | Corrodias | that is WHY it is shit |
| 06:12.21 | Jamash | that's not what's at issue |
| 06:12.38 | Lulia | If I really wanted to make a game, I wouldn't use the SC2 Editor. |
| 06:12.44 | Jamash | they're saying "you do not own your own ideas, we do" |
| 06:12.49 | Corrodias | yes, and that is why it is shit! |
| 06:12.54 | Mirror|peelS | you don't need to want to profit to want control and ownership |
| 06:13.00 | Lulia | It is what it is. |
| 06:13.12 | Jamash | let's say DotA was created in SC2 instead of WC3 |
| 06:13.12 | Mirror|peelS | doesn't mean you can't have an opinion |
| 06:13.19 | Lulia | It allows you to quickly make games in an environment suited for such, but it has its limitations. |
| 06:13.21 | Corrodias | precisely. that doesn't mean it is excused from people thinking it's stupid. |
| 06:13.22 | Jamash | oh guess what blizzard would own it |
| 06:13.31 | Lulia | They would own the DotA you made in it |
| 06:13.40 | Lulia | They wouldn't own DotAs that you made outside of its engine. |
| 06:13.40 | Jamash | they would own DotA |
| 06:13.44 | Jamash | yes they would |
| 06:13.46 | Corrodias | and then they could sue you for copyright infringement if you duplicated it elsewhere |
| 06:13.47 | Lulia | No |
| 06:13.50 | Corrodias | that's how copyrights work, bucko |
| 06:13.52 | Jamash | ^Corrodias |
| 06:14.03 | Lulia | Multiple companies can produce a similar concept |
| 06:14.09 | Lulia | You wouldn't be able to call it DotA |
| 06:14.19 | Jamash | you wouldn't be able to call it anything |
| 06:14.21 | Lulia | But you could still make it and profit from it if you wanted to, just call it something else. |
| 06:14.23 | Jamash | you wouldn't be able to make it |
| 06:14.36 | Corrodias | you'd have to do something different enough that it wouldn't be considered an infringement |
| 06:14.38 | Lulia | That's why two different companies have DotA offshoots? |
| 06:14.52 | Jamash | because the original DotA was made for WC3 and not SC2 |
| 06:14.54 | Jamash | follow? |
| 06:14.54 | Corrodias | who owns the copyright to the DotA franchise? |
| 06:15.00 | Lulia | If it was exactly the same thing, why would anyone buy yours rather than use the DotA that's already out there. |
| 06:15.06 | Corrodias | have they expressed any interest in protecting that copyright? |
| 06:15.14 | Lulia | I'm well aware of how copyrights work. |
| 06:15.18 | Jamash | no you're not |
| 06:15.22 | Lulia | But you're being stuck on details that don't matter. |
| 06:15.26 | Jamash | yes they do |
| 06:15.29 | Lulia | It's not worth arguing. |
| 06:15.32 | Jamash | yes it is |
| 06:15.37 | Lulia | I'm getting frustrated, I won't debate it with you. |
| 06:15.40 | Corrodias | no, it really isn't worth it |
| 06:15.55 | Corrodias | the editor is okay, but the terms make it worthless, and the battle.net infrastructure makes it pointless anyway. |
| 06:17.07 | Jamash | in my experience, "I won't debate it with you" means "I have no counterargument and I don't want to admit that I'm wrong" |
| 06:17.21 | Lulia | No, it means it's not worth going in circular arguments over. |
| 06:17.43 | Lulia | I'm not here to make myself mad or talk about such things with someone who is lording their arguments over me like an elitist. |
| 06:17.51 | Lulia | Don't press it, please. |
| 06:18.15 | Jamash | do whatever you want |
| 06:21.38 | Lulia | God it's 2:20am already? |
| 06:23.54 | Mirror|peelS | Jamash: I've used "I won't debate it with you" as a response to people who are clearly illogical or who are essentially just trying to troll me |
| 06:24.30 | Lulia | Let's not keep this going :-/ |
| 06:24.42 | Jamash | Richard Feynman told a story in one of his books about being seated next to some sort of princess at a fancy dinner. She said they couldn't talk about quantum physics because nobody there knew anything about it. |
| 06:25.33 | Mirror|peelS | because she didn't know who feynman was, or because she did and she was insulting his knowledge? |
| 06:25.39 | Jamash | He countered that it was precisely *because* he knew something about it that they couldn't discuss it. In polite conversation you can discuss the weather, or social problems, or psychology, stuff that nobody knows about. |
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| 06:26.12 | Jamash | He wrote that he'd never seen someone's face frost over the way hers did before. |
| 06:26.16 | a-stray-cat`` | hey, if you futz with the metatable of your saved variables do those stay after a reloadui? |
| 06:26.21 | Mirror|peelS | twell, that's kind of stupid |
| 06:26.38 | Corrodias | that's social behavior for you |
| 06:26.40 | Mirror|peelS | people know things about the weather, social problems, and psychology |
| 06:26.44 | Corrodias | people like talking about things they don't understand |
| 06:26.54 | Lulia | So, apparently if you create a bad edit box it disables your spacebar! |
| 06:26.58 | Corrodias | most people know very little about any of those subjects |
| 06:27.15 | Jamash | Mirror|peelS: everyone knows something about them, but nobody truly understands them because they're too complex |
| 06:27.24 | Mirror|peelS | true |
| 06:27.39 | Jerub | "On the contrary," I answered. "It's because sombody knows /something/ about it that we can't talk about physics. It's the things that nobody knws anything about htat we /can/ discuss. We can talk about the weather; we can talk about social problems; wee can talk about psychology; we can talk about international finance |
| 06:27.59 | Jerub | - gold transfers we can't talk about, because those are understood - so it's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!" |
| 06:28.09 | Mirror|peelS | the only requirement for the conversation to be possible is that the level of knowledge between the conversees to be roughly similar |
| 06:28.23 | Mirror|peelS | *is |
| 06:28.24 | Jerub | I don't know whow they do it. Ther'es a way of forming ice the suface of the face, and she /did/ it! She turned to talk to somebody else. |
| 06:28.37 | Jerub | (sorry, just grabbed the book from my shelf that jamash was recalling the anecdote from) |
| 06:28.40 | Jamash | thx |
| 06:28.51 | Mirror|peelS | well |
| 06:29.13 | Mirror|peelS | pedantically, I don't like that story |
| 06:29.39 | Jamash | Now, why did I bring this story up? |
| 06:29.58 | Corrodias | because we were talking about copyright law |
| 06:30.08 | Jamash | ~Corrodias++ |
| 06:30.24 | Corrodias | juicy |
| 06:32.12 | Mirror|peelS | I'm so depressed that still no one looked at my latest commit message for WeakAuras :( |
| 06:32.21 | Mirror|peelS | here I am trying to be all clever and nobody notices me |
| 06:32.26 | Lulia | Well... I fixed the error I thought caused the problem, and now I see the box |
| 06:32.31 | Lulia | But I still cant use spaces |
| 06:32.41 | Jamash | my addon is still explodey |
| 06:32.43 | Lulia | And the cursor is in the editbox when it shouldn't be :( |
| 06:34.24 | Jamash | okay I think I have an idea why |
| 06:34.47 | Jamash | I just dumped AceEvent3 for various reasons and now my init code is running at a different point in the startup sequence |
| 06:35.06 | Jamash | specifically, before the spellbook is populated |
| 06:35.17 | Jamash | which means that every spell is new! |
| 06:35.53 | Lulia | Are there common reasons why creating an edit box would suddenly make it so that I can't jump or use "enter" to start the chat frame's edit box? |
| 06:36.05 | Lulia | Or is this going to be a bitch to troubleshoot? >.> |
| 06:36.43 | Shirik | http://www.captchart.com/post/1359885515/rusted-cervix-submitted-by-mr-d |
| 06:36.53 | Jamash | I dunno but I had a similar problem when I made an edit box |
| 06:37.09 | Jamash | it seemed to have permanent focus |
| 06:37.13 | Lulia | Right |
| 06:37.21 | Lulia | That's what this probably is, but it shouldn't have focus |
| 06:37.24 | Mirror|peelS | I <3 captcha art |
| 06:37.25 | Lulia | I never set it to have focus :( |
| 06:37.27 | Jamash | I didn't get very far into it to find out why not |
| 06:37.35 | Lulia | How did you fix it? |
| 06:39.31 | Lulia | Oh... I'm guessing you didn't? |
| 06:39.35 | Lulia | Google time! |
| 06:39.52 | Jamash | yeah I didn't |
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| 06:44.53 | Fisker | i hate you Jamash |
| 06:45.27 | a-stray-cat`` | quick lua question, what's the difference between local t = {}; function t:blah() ... end and local t = {}; local function t:blah() ... end? |
| 06:46.21 | Jamash | Good. Use your aggressive feelings, Fisker. Let the hate flow through you. |
| 06:47.10 | Fisker | i wanted the headless horseman's reins |
| 06:47.41 | Computerpunk | a-stray-cat``, iirc, you can't do local function t:blah() |
| 06:47.52 | Computerpunk | lemme check. |
| 06:48.16 | Mirror|peelS | nope |
| 06:48.21 | a-stray-cat`` | ah, i see |
| 06:48.21 | Mirror|peelS | doesn't make any sense |
| 06:48.38 | a-stray-cat`` | wierd, i thought it was somewhere like that in my code |
| 06:48.45 | Mirror|peelS | you're trying to define the function as a local variable and as a member of a table at the same time |
| 06:48.45 | a-stray-cat`` | i guess i pruned it already |
| 06:48.52 | Computerpunk | lua> local t = {} local function t:blah() end |
| 06:48.53 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: luabot:1: '(' expected near ':' |
| 06:49.24 | Computerpunk | cya in 2 hours |
| 06:50.16 | Jamash | Fisker: Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the RNG. |
| 06:53.31 | Fisker | i see that Jamash |
| 06:53.47 | Lulia | I couldnt find anything from a quick google search on the topic :( |
| 06:53.52 | Fisker | It pisses me off because someone i know got 5 mounts on his mage this year |
| 06:53.56 | Lulia | Someone has to know why the edit box wants permanent focus? |
| 06:54.38 | Mirror|peelS | editbox:SetScript("OnEscape", function() editbox:ClearFocus() end) |
| 06:54.38 | Jamash | gah |
| 06:54.43 | a-stray-cat`` | have you tried telling it to ClearFocus() to make sure it actually has focus? |
| 06:55.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 06:56.05 | Willow` | er hi |
| 06:56.49 | TMc51 | o hai thar |
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| 06:57.06 | Willow` | a friend poked me here |
| 06:57.55 | Willow` | told me someone in here may be able to give me a hand |
| 06:58.04 | TMc51 | Whatcha need? |
| 06:58.04 | Willow` | since the curse client has decided to hate me. -.- |
| 06:58.31 | Willow` | it was corrupted and I can't get the darned thing to uninstall so that I can reinstall it |
| 06:58.50 | Lulia | Oh, whoops, sorry. |
| 06:59.09 | Lulia | a-stray-cat it won't let me jump or use enter to access the chat frame, it only does that when I have the edit box created ;) |
| 06:59.27 | Lulia | Mirror, do I need that script with all of my edit boxes?? |
| 06:59.32 | TMc51 | Sorry, can't help ya, maybe somebody else can, though. I haven't even used the Curse client, so no clue how to fix it or anything. =\ |
| 06:59.46 | Mirror|peelS | probably |
| 06:59.54 | Willow` | lol that's ok thanks for offering to help TMc51 |
| 06:59.56 | Mirror|peelS | but from what I remember in my brief time using editboxes |
| 07:00.05 | a-stray-cat`` | editboxes have autofocus on creation |
| 07:00.11 | Jamash | Willow`: have you looked at http://clientsupport.curse.com/ ? |
| 07:00.16 | a-stray-cat`` | err, being shown |
| 07:00.21 | Mirror|peelS | they probably just won't work how you want unless you use a temple from FrameXML anyway |
| 07:00.24 | Willow` | yes and followed what's there |
| 07:00.27 | Willow` | it still hates me |
| 07:02.58 | Jamash | hmm dunno |
| 07:04.21 | Willow` | trying another go with reinstalling after deleting the 2.0 file that comes up with running %userprofile%\AppData\Local\Apps |
| 07:04.29 | Lulia | I can integrate that function itno my createedit function |
| 07:05.10 | adys_ | Dagmar, you good with alsa ya? |
| 07:05.27 | Willow` | alright well thanks for trying |
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| 07:07.35 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 07:07.49 | Shirik | no :( |
| 07:09.19 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:09.32 | Fisker | fix my mount or die |
| 07:12.15 | Lulia | Uh, Mirror |
| 07:12.31 | Lulia | I'm getting "BaseOpacity doesn't have an OnEscape script" |
| 07:12.58 | Mirror|peelS | hrm |
| 07:13.03 | Mirror|peelS | maybe it's OnEscapePressed |
| 07:13.27 | Mirror|peelS | yeah, it is |
| 07:13.28 | Mirror|peelS | http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_Handlers |
| 07:13.39 | Lulia | :P Thanks |
| 07:13.40 | Fisker | did you know i hax a lot Shirik ? |
| 07:14.24 | Lulia | Hm, still not able to jump or use enter, it must still have focus |
| 07:15.20 | Lulia | I'll deal with it later |
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| 07:21.19 | Fisker | oh god Shirik |
| 07:21.28 | Fisker | the paladin talent art of war is actually a sword |
| 07:24.32 | Lulia | Also, another interesting point, Mirror, I couldn't put your OnEscape script inside of the function which streamlines editbox creation |
| 07:25.59 | Mirror|peelS | wat |
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| 07:26.35 | Mirror|peelS | bwaaaaaah |
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| 07:26.51 | Lulia | ? |
| 07:27.07 | Mirror|peelSylla | bwaaaaaah |
| 07:27.21 | Mirror|peelSylla | haaaaaawb |
| 07:29.13 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2758/ |
| 07:29.16 | Lulia | Returns the error: |
| 07:29.38 | Lulia | '<name>' expected near : |
| 07:29.46 | Lulia | on line 32 |
| 07:29.57 | Mirror|peelS | THAT'S CAUSE YOU GOT TWO :s THERE BRO |
| 07:30.09 | Lulia | oops |
| 07:30.19 | Lulia | There will be a different error |
| 07:30.19 | Mirror|peelS | WHY AM I NOT ASLEEP YET |
| 07:30.21 | Lulia | sec ;) |
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| 07:30.35 | Mirror|peelS | LULIA YOU'RE TEARING ME APART |
| 07:30.42 | Lulia | :P |
| 07:31.05 | Lulia | Oh, I think I need to use it to generate the error |
| 07:31.12 | Lulia | And I'm afraid to use it because of the focus issue |
| 07:32.26 | Mirror|peelS | btw, have you looked at http://www.wowpedia.org/Widget_API#EditBox |
| 07:32.28 | Lulia | Or it could not error even when I use it |
| 07:32.29 | Lulia | Meh |
| 07:32.31 | Lulia | If it works it works |
| 07:32.40 | Mirror|peelS | MY CODE ALWAYS WORKS |
| 07:33.03 | Mirror|peelS | for example, http://www.wowpedia.org/API_EditBox_SetAutoFocus |
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| 07:33.21 | Lulia | :P |
| 07:33.29 | Lulia | It shouldn't be enabled as true by default... |
| 07:36.21 | mikma | what is the original place of libstub and callbackhandler? |
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| 07:38.59 | Shirik | Fisker, you need to stop hacking |
| 07:39.15 | mikma | :D |
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| 07:44.37 | Lulia | oh yay, now my slider that was working before has suddenly decided that it wants to work with a max value of 1000 |
| 07:44.41 | Lulia | Even though its set max is 1 |
| 07:44.42 | Lulia | wtf |
| 07:44.44 | Lulia | fml |
| 07:48.01 | Fisker | what am i hacking Shirik ? |
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| 07:50.41 | Lulia | That was an easy bug fix |
| 07:52.39 | Lulia | Or so I thought.. |
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| 08:02.42 | Lulia | Oh, interesting, you cant disable an editbox.. |
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| 08:07.22 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:08.28 | Lulia | ow? |
| 08:08.56 | Fisker | slaps Lulia around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:09.01 | Fisker | stay out of this |
| 08:09.05 | Lulia | :( |
| 08:09.17 | Lulia | eats Fisker's trout. |
| 08:16.48 | Fisker | oh god Shirik |
| 08:16.56 | Fisker | someone keeps asking me if i want to go to voa |
| 08:16.59 | Fisker | and i keep replying no |
| 08:17.16 | Fisker | then i figure i might try writing that i'm locked to voa |
| 08:17.18 | Fisker | "ok" |
| 08:17.20 | Fisker | durr :E |
| 08:22.36 | Lulia | :P |
| 08:22.47 | Lulia | night |
| 08:22.50 | Lulia | quit |
| 08:22.52 | Lulia | ugh |
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| 08:23.03 | Lulia | why do I always do that?? |
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| 08:29.34 | Fisker | kills Shirik |
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| 08:39.53 | Angayelle | hai people |
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| 08:46.39 | Fisker | Shirik i'm bored |
| 08:47.22 | Angayelle | funny |
| 08:48.23 | Angayelle | haste is applied to dot when SPELL AURA APPLIED is fired regardles of haste when spell cast is starting |
| 08:49.19 | Angayelle | as for pyroblast for example you start casting when you have haste buff, your cast is hasted, the buff end mid cast, your dot don't profit from it |
| 08:49.38 | Angayelle | i thought haste for dot was calculated upon spellcast too but no |
| 08:50.12 | Angayelle | on the other hand it's easier for me to get haste value to get dps |
| 08:51.09 | Fisker | i don't think haste like that |
| 08:52.28 | Angayelle | well that's what i see from testing on dummy |
| 09:02.53 | Fisker | haste do you like being tested on dummies? |
| 09:05.13 | Angayelle | lulz i understand now |
| 09:08.20 | Computerpunk | Fisker, #1 troll eu. |
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| 09:11.17 | haste | Fisker: oh yeah~ |
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| 09:14.45 | Fisker | naw man Computerpunk |
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| 09:24.40 | Angayelle | another fun fact, the tooltip debuff report haste for dots right but damage is always wrong |
| 09:24.47 | Computerpunk | why not fisky? |
| 09:25.00 | Angayelle | damage don't take in account the acutal damage of combat log |
| 09:27.01 | nevcairiel | still much better then before, when tooltip dmg was just plain base dmg :p |
| 09:27.55 | Jerub | yeah :/ |
| 09:28.10 | Jerub | it was only 3 months ago i discovered that thorns benefitted from spellpower |
| 09:28.22 | Jerub | actually, probably 6. |
| 09:28.28 | nevcairiel | didnt they stop doing that again now |
| 09:28.42 | Jerub | well, it used to say in the thorns tooltip '73 damage to attacks' |
| 09:28.54 | Jerub | which of course was dead on if you had 0 spellpower nad put the 60minute thorns on yourself. |
| 09:29.14 | nevcairiel | thorns got big dmg increase with 4.0 (and a cooldown to compensate) |
| 09:29.17 | Jerub | but in icc with a icc25 geared druid, it was closer to 300damage to each attacker. |
| 09:29.28 | nevcairiel | now its like 2200 |
| 09:29.29 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 09:29.36 | Jerub | yeah, i know |
| 09:29.43 | Jerub | sorry, i play a druid healer/tank. |
| 09:30.38 | nevcairiel | thorns are awesome for farming low level instances, just put it on you, and look at the mobs dropping :) |
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| 09:36.47 | Computerpunk | they made druid tanks useful |
| 09:36.53 | Computerpunk | and gave them a way to hold packs. |
| 09:36.59 | Computerpunk | Not just single target. |
| 09:37.20 | Computerpunk | I'm sick of all the animation bugging from mounting/dismounting. |
| 09:38.15 | nevcairiel | Druid tanks could hold packs before 4.0 as well :p |
| 09:39.29 | Computerpunk | nevcairiel, at low levels? |
| 09:39.33 | Computerpunk | What did you use to hold aggro? |
| 09:39.43 | nevcairiel | who cares about low levels o.O |
| 09:40.21 | Computerpunk | fury warrs |
| 09:40.22 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 09:40.35 | Computerpunk | best tanks until level 40. |
| 09:40.35 | nevcairiel | we used to tank those back in classic when no class except paladins had real aoe tanking :p |
| 09:40.37 | Computerpunk | hands down. |
| 09:41.25 | nevcairiel | It takes you maybe a day of playtime to hit 70 |
| 09:41.27 | nevcairiel | so, shrug |
| 09:41.29 | nevcairiel | i dont care |
| 09:42.28 | Computerpunk | raf or not? |
| 09:42.35 | nevcairiel | without |
| 09:45.50 | haste | installs debian stable on Fisker's computer(s). |
| 09:49.02 | nevcairiel | thats too good for him, give him sarge! |
| 09:51.42 | haste | I think we should just give him a stripped down linux kernel and busybox |
| 09:53.49 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/17/enhanced-buzz-3286-1288474223-7.jpg |
| 09:53.50 | Wobin | awww |
| 09:55.54 | airtonix | haste, a troll only needs enough to manage a bridge |
| 09:56.54 | Fisker | that sucks haste |
| 09:57.02 | airtonix | qqmoar |
| 09:57.09 | Fisker | our resident racist got too extreme for her voters |
| 09:57.22 | Angayelle | what limit should i set to check buff on player using : for i = 1,?? |
| 09:57.43 | Angayelle | i don't hink there is really more then 20-30 buffs on a player at the same time |
| 09:58.03 | airtonix | Angayelle, dont be so sure about that |
| 09:58.33 | Angayelle | debuffs got their limit removed but i don't recall buffs having one |
| 09:58.43 | Fisker | wait wat? |
| 09:58.53 | Fisker | i get it! |
| 09:58.56 | airtonix | nou |
| 09:59.13 | Fisker | i was like "why did i wake up at like 7am?" |
| 09:59.27 | nevcairiel | because it was 8am? |
| 09:59.39 | airtonix | or "like" 8am ? |
| 09:59.47 | Fisker | it would've been if we didn't turn back the clock one hour :o |
| 09:59.52 | airtonix | you like ... know.? |
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| 10:00.47 | Angayelle | using i = 1,40 shouldn't be a cpu killing that much if there is only 10-20 buffs active ? |
| 10:01.04 | nevcairiel | its easier to use a while loop, and check when it stops returning values |
| 10:01.05 | airtonix | Angayelle, depends |
| 10:01.43 | Angayelle | so it would count the number of buffs and report it, nev ? |
| 10:02.05 | Angayelle | i'm not used to the while |
| 10:02.56 | Angayelle | ok found some info |
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| 10:16.18 | Computerpunk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387877924&sid=2000 <- Someone from Blizz should really look at it. |
| 10:16.52 | Angayelle | to express i = 1,2,3,4,5 we use i = 1,5 but to express i = 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5, is there a special syntax ? looked in the pil but didn't found |
| 10:17.33 | Computerpunk | math.random(1, 5) |
| 10:17.33 | Computerpunk | ? |
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| 10:18.57 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_functions |
| 10:18.58 | Computerpunk | useful |
| 10:19.25 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_random |
| 10:19.28 | Computerpunk | specifically |
| 10:21.10 | Angayelle | well random is not what i need, it's more a list i should use |
| 10:21.24 | Angayelle | i didn't said that weel enought |
| 10:21.30 | Angayelle | well* |
| 10:21.43 | haste | you could juse a table holding the numbers and index it based on that |
| 10:21.48 | haste | I'm not entirely sure what you want tho' |
| 10:22.06 | Angayelle | i want to check specific buff on player based on a;list of buffs |
| 10:22.11 | Computerpunk | explain exactly what you need. |
| 10:22.31 | haste | then just do: myBuffTbl = { [231] = true, [12] = true} |
| 10:22.41 | haste | where 231 and 12 are the buff ids |
| 10:22.49 | haste | you can use the buff names or whatever as well |
| 10:22.51 | Angayelle | noob way would be if (spellid == 1111) then ....... elseif (spellid == 2222) |
| 10:23.00 | Computerpunk | lua> ("I love spamming liek really mad that "):rep(20) .. '.' |
| 10:23.01 | lua_bot | Computerpunk: I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I love spamming liek really mad that I lo... (result truncated) |
| 10:23.11 | Computerpunk | make a table |
| 10:23.16 | Computerpunk | liek haste said. |
| 10:23.28 | haste | and don't abuse lua_bot to spam Computerpunk |
| 10:23.36 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 10:23.37 | Computerpunk | k |
| 10:24.17 | Computerpunk | isn't there any tHasKey? |
| 10:24.39 | haste | just try to index it |
| 10:25.03 | Computerpunk | if t[spellid] then stuff() end :3 |
| 10:25.13 | haste | yes |
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| 11:03.30 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/k1lhb.jpg <-imma land mermaid haste |
| 11:04.15 | haste | swimming in the air~ |
| 11:05.27 | Fisker | bloodelves do not swim that way goodbye |
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| 11:26.04 | haste | mmmmm.... over 30 in load |
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| 11:34.50 | olafski | every time I dismount and my ghoul appears, the cooldown for raise dead starts again.. is that new? I've never been unholy before but it seems odd |
| 11:38.26 | Fisker | i over 30 in load you haste |
| 11:41.21 | Computerpunk | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/saydigitalupgrade.aspx |
| 11:41.23 | Computerpunk | Nice one here. |
| 11:42.19 | Fisker | looks like i'll have to ban some mods |
| 11:43.15 | Computerpunk | yep. |
| 11:44.19 | Computerpunk | you can still make it, lol |
| 11:44.26 | Computerpunk | at least until blizz patches it |
| 11:45.13 | Computerpunk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27495540292#15 |
| 11:45.14 | Computerpunk | fisker! |
| 11:45.15 | Computerpunk | don't ban it. |
| 11:48.08 | Computerpunk | don't ignore me now :< |
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| 11:48.35 | olafski | you think fisker can ban addons? :o |
| 11:48.46 | Computerpunk | Yesh. |
| 11:48.46 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 11:48.49 | Computerpunk | He mad. |
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| 11:51.18 | olafski | could just buy it digitally and have it upgraded by blizzard instead of an addon! |
| 11:51.33 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 11:52.21 | rocode | Or, you could have bought the collector's edition and gotten screwed, and therefore used that addon to get the pre-download. |
| 11:52.26 | rocode | =) |
| 11:52.41 | olafski | I read something about the digital version not having the intro cinematic, that can't be right.. right? |
| 11:53.21 | Computerpunk | ^that's be stupid |
| 11:53.26 | Computerpunk | that'd* |
| 11:53.38 | nevcairiel | thats right, the download-only version doesnt download the cinematics |
| 11:53.47 | nevcairiel | you can however just download the movie from someone else |
| 11:53.52 | nevcairiel | and put it in the dir |
| 11:54.18 | Computerpunk | true |
| 11:54.24 | olafski | hm |
| 11:54.27 | olafski | have already seen it anyway |
| 11:54.42 | olafski | I assume if there are any ingame cinematics like with wrath gate those will be included though |
| 11:54.57 | sylvanaar | also the downloadable goes live on PST, if i am on EST, shouldnt i just go buy it at a store |
| 11:55.24 | nevcairiel | Its not clear that the servers will unlock at your time 0:00 |
| 11:55.28 | nevcairiel | but it could be |
| 11:55.41 | nevcairiel | olafski: no, no cinematics |
| 11:55.54 | olafski | hmm |
| 11:56.02 | olafski | oh well, saves some time |
| 11:56.04 | nevcairiel | Its all in avi files in some directory |
| 11:56.19 | nevcairiel | and those dont get downloaded by the client |
| 11:56.53 | olafski | can I just put my own avi in there with the correct name? ;) |
| 11:57.51 | nevcairiel | probably |
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| 11:58.32 | nevcairiel | the beta installer included the worgen and goblin cinematic, so i just took those from there |
| 11:59.03 | nevcairiel | It does use some weird new codec though, that i cannot play in my standalone player <.< |
| 11:59.32 | sylvanaar | didnt it uses to use divx |
| 11:59.38 | nevcairiel | yeah, the old ones |
| 11:59.45 | nevcairiel | now its PMVX, whatever format that is |
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| 12:00.00 | cbreak | mplayer? :) |
| 12:00.01 | Alram | you can't open it |
| 12:00.03 | cbreak | maybe vlc |
| 12:02.41 | olafski | should try to put my own vid in then |
| 12:02.45 | olafski | will be a nice surprise for my gf :P |
| 12:04.42 | cbreak | no pron. |
| 12:05.23 | olafski | there's a check for that? :( |
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| 13:35.01 | Kraps | ehehehehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymKLymvwD2U |
| 13:37.25 | A-KO | autotune can turn anyone into a star |
| 13:39.30 | cbreak | no |
| 13:39.39 | cbreak | photoshop can. |
| 13:40.05 | cbreak | autotune makes people sound like robots. |
| 13:41.15 | Computerpunk | cbreak, it made some guy on the tv a pop star |
| 13:41.15 | Computerpunk | so np |
| 13:41.18 | Computerpunk | so no* |
| 13:41.29 | cbreak | oh, pop star... those aren't real stars |
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| 13:44.30 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 13:45.09 | zenzelezz | http://bash.org/?495760 - hah |
| 13:47.53 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 13:57.48 | Kraps | i'm watching MJs video from the topic and all i can say is MJ WHY DID YOU FUCK YOUR FACE UP |
| 14:00.35 | Fisker | hey Kraftman |
| 14:00.40 | Fisker | ealthough it's Kraps |
| 14:01.02 | Kraps | l2tab Fisker |
| 14:01.10 | cbreak | MJ? |
| 14:01.33 | Kraps | Michael Jackson |
| 14:01.42 | cbreak | the "This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. " movie? |
| 14:02.02 | Kraps | lol cbreak |
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| 14:05.05 | Fisker | you so funny |
| 14:06.52 | Computerpunk | Any reason why TwCenMT is removed from LSM? |
| 14:07.27 | Kraftman | hey fisker :P |
| 14:08.01 | Fisker | no Kraftman :( |
| 14:08.31 | Kraftman | :( |
| 14:15.05 | Fisker | i once killed a guy Kraftman |
| 14:16.34 | Kraftman | thats not very nice |
| 14:34.19 | zenzelezz | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/season9_warrior.jpg - now that's what I call plate armor |
| 14:36.03 | cbreak | indeed |
| 14:36.05 | zenzelezz | also, this takes either serious skill or serious guts... http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/140/140803/14080346/jpg/active/960x.jpg |
| 14:36.11 | cbreak | I bet the female one looks like a bikini though |
| 14:38.43 | Angayelle | i thought i could browe wowhead for spells that increase haste rating but there's no such filters |
| 14:39.59 | Angayelle | in fact filters for spells are very few compared to items filters |
| 14:40.01 | cbreak | mages have two, herbalists have one |
| 14:40.08 | cbreak | shamans have one, leather workers have one |
| 14:41.04 | Angayelle | beware haste ratings and cast time speed increase is diffrent |
| 14:47.28 | Angayelle | on a different subject, what librairy pride support for /in command ? |
| 14:47.35 | Angayelle | provide? |
| 14:49.40 | Angayelle | i believe it's ace2 but dunno which one precisely |
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| 14:51.31 | Angayelle | ace event ok |
| 14:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/season9_hunter.jpg |
| 14:54.27 | Mr_Rabies | that is cool as hell |
| 14:54.33 | Mr_Rabies | samurai pirate |
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| 15:07.35 | Fisker | http://notalwaysright.com/thats-what-he-thought/7989 |
| 15:12.01 | Arrowmaster | Computerpunk: i think all fonts were removed from SharedMedia due to copyright then some where added back that were certain to not cause copyright issues |
| 15:12.56 | Computerpunk | I see. |
| 15:13.02 | Computerpunk | But TwCenMT is by default Widnows. |
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| 15:16.17 | Fisker | that doesn't mean you can pirate it |
| 15:16.43 | cbreak | http://www.dafont.com/ |
| 15:16.50 | cbreak | many of those have very liberal licenses |
| 15:20.11 | Deveyus | mmm fonts |
| 15:20.32 | Kraps | DAMMIT FISKER NO MOUNT |
| 15:24.24 | Fisker | old :( |
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| 15:31.19 | Fisker | i owned a warlock Kraps |
| 15:31.32 | Jamash | how much did he cost? |
| 15:32.04 | Fisker | nothing |
| 15:38.11 | Ackis | happy birthday nicoli_s |
| 15:39.28 | Deveyus | How would I detect when someone changes panels within the mailbox? |
| 15:39.59 | Deveyus | There's no event for it... |
| 15:40.54 | Kraps | Fisker: my warrior has it but my priest is my main now :( |
| 15:43.53 | Jamash | Deveyus: look at FrameXML\MailFrame.lua and see what function the ui calls to change panel |
| 15:44.11 | Deveyus | Then hook that? |
| 15:44.16 | Jamash | yeah |
| 15:44.21 | Deveyus | Alrighty. |
| 15:45.51 | Computerpunk | happy birthday nicoli_s. |
| 15:46.01 | Kraps | "bounty hunter" is a real job? |
| 15:46.29 | Computerpunk | yeah. |
| 15:46.41 | Kraps | ... |
| 15:47.35 | Fisker | kiss me Kraps |
| 15:48.00 | Kraps | no |
| 15:48.38 | Fisker | why not? |
| 15:51.51 | Kraps | you got a purty mouth though |
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| 15:52.54 | nicoli_s | why thank you fellas |
| 15:53.01 | nicoli_s | thats weird, i just remoted in to see that |
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| 15:54.10 | nicoli_s | and now im off |
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| 15:54.58 | Cide | hi |
| 15:56.22 | Kraps | "Recently Discovered WoW Erotic Art and Warcraft Hentai" holy crap |
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| 16:02.26 | Ackis | don't you mean... holy Kraps? |
| 16:02.40 | Kraps | old Ackis |
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| 16:21.43 | Ackis | why are people giving the "red shirt guy" crap? |
| 16:22.08 | Ackis | he got applauded at suckcon |
| 16:22.30 | A-KO | because he's a "fat nerd" who "knows too much about WoW to actually care" and "needs to get a life" |
| 16:22.31 | A-KO | more or less |
| 16:22.35 | A-KO | that's all |
| 16:22.52 | Ackis | he wasn't fat |
| 16:23.05 | A-KO | People rate themselves against others |
| 16:23.10 | A-KO | we all do it to an extent :P |
| 16:23.45 | Ackis | I like how everyone is calling the fact checker fake (aka totalbiscuit) |
| 16:23.50 | Ackis | only to have a blue say it's teh real |
| 16:23.58 | A-KO | is it? |
| 16:24.02 | A-KO | It's not in live nor in beta atm |
| 16:24.07 | A-KO | so must be taken from dev |
| 16:24.16 | A-KO | I checked :P |
| 16:24.31 | Ackis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27509091494&sid=1&pageNo=2 last post |
| 16:24.52 | A-KO | definitely not in beta :P |
| 16:25.51 | nevcairiel | did you check on ptr? :p |
| 16:25.55 | nevcairiel | its a newer build then beta |
| 16:26.19 | A-KO | did not check PTR |
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| 16:30.38 | Lulia | Hey guys |
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| 16:45.24 | Lulia | Any idea why an Edit Box won't let me type in it when it has focus? |
| 16:45.47 | Lulia | I do have a SetText() for some text to be put into it, but I don't want that to prohibit people from entering text. |
| 16:54.22 | Fisker | haste |
| 16:54.24 | Fisker | where's my ssd? |
| 16:54.34 | Lulia | nm, it was the fact that SetText was being run OnUpdate |
| 16:57.41 | haste | Fisker: in my laptop! |
| 16:58.20 | Fisker | no :( |
| 17:00.03 | mikma | how can i check is value a number? :P |
| 17:00.41 | mikma | is it type() ? |
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| 17:00.52 | mikma | it si |
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| 17:20.55 | Ackis | omg I posted a youtube comment! |
| 17:21.28 | Shirik | you're forever lost to the internets |
| 17:21.37 | Ackis | it was about red shirt guy Shirik |
| 17:23.09 | Ackis | I just told my fiancée that she looks like a slut. |
| 17:23.22 | Ackis | one day of the year I can get away with it :D |
| 17:24.29 | amro | and what do you look like? |
| 17:25.11 | Lulia | lol |
| 17:25.29 | Ackis | i'm not dressed up |
| 17:25.38 | amro | I shouldn't have asked |
| 17:26.07 | Lulia | laughs. |
| 17:26.15 | Lulia | Ackis: The naked pimp! |
| 17:26.24 | jnwhiteh | which raid is Kel'thuzad? |
| 17:26.29 | Lulia | Naxxramas |
| 17:26.30 | amro | naxxramas |
| 17:26.34 | amro | stabs Lulia |
| 17:26.34 | Ackis | I was gonna put sunglasses on and say I was dressing up like a blind man |
| 17:26.37 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 17:26.46 | Lulia | waves at amro cheerfully. |
| 17:26.52 | jnwhiteh | i'm just KT away from getting champion of the frozen wastes |
| 17:26.54 | jnwhiteh | and I had no idea :P |
| 17:26.56 | amro | it was a prop knife, curses |
| 17:27.06 | Lulia | You can jump right to him now, too |
| 17:27.13 | Lulia | Just down Saphirron and you can fight him. |
| 17:27.22 | amro | you can probably solo him now too |
| 17:27.23 | haste | solo! |
| 17:27.34 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 17:27.37 | jnwhiteh | really? |
| 17:27.40 | haste | no :P |
| 17:27.48 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 17:27.51 | Lulia | He was just joking about how easy the content is in t10 |
| 17:27.53 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:28.05 | Lulia | You can probably 5 man it though |
| 17:28.16 | Lulia | 3 man if you're really good. |
| 17:28.31 | Lulia | And a bit lucky. |
| 17:28.33 | Deveyus | 2 would be easy, but likely a bit slow. |
| 17:28.45 | Lulia | Well, I think he's got like a 15 minute enrage. |
| 17:28.57 | Lulia | Or maybe it's 10 minutes. |
| 17:29.08 | Deveyus | Not sure. |
| 17:29.09 | Lulia | Plus you need someone to heal through the iceblocks |
| 17:29.18 | Lulia | So you really should have a healer, DPS and Tank |
| 17:29.29 | Lulia | And the DPS needs to be able to off-heal in case the healer gets frozen. |
| 17:29.33 | Deveyus | Bring a DK, he can be both DPS and tank. |
| 17:29.35 | Lulia | Which, if you have 3, is apt to happen a lot. |
| 17:29.58 | Deveyus | Holy pally is both healer and dps |
| 17:30.04 | Lulia | My DK doesn't pull amazing DPS when tanking. |
| 17:30.13 | Deveyus | enhance shaman for dps + heals |
| 17:30.36 | Lulia | I'd probably go with Ele, just to have 1 ranged |
| 17:30.39 | Deveyus | Don't be tank spec'd? |
| 17:30.52 | Deveyus | What's he gonna do? Crit you? |
| 17:30.52 | Lulia | Sort of want that crit immunity |
| 17:30.56 | Ackis | could you seriously 2 man saph/KZ? |
| 17:30.59 | Lulia | When the two adds come out. |
| 17:31.12 | Lulia | 3 man is likely doable, but not easy |
| 17:31.16 | Lulia | You can definitely 5 man |
| 17:31.30 | Lulia | 2 man is probably possible but not likely, in my opinion |
| 17:31.35 | Deveyus | Holy pallies can heal and pull 4k+ dps at the same time now XD |
| 17:31.58 | Deveyus | Prolly more on KT since he's undead iirc |
| 17:32.20 | Lulia | The biggest issue with 2-man is ice blocks |
| 17:32.32 | Lulia | The tank shouldn't ever be ice blocked if the healer is positioned correctly |
| 17:32.33 | Deveyus | Pally can bubble at least once... |
| 17:32.42 | Lulia | But there's no one to heal the healer when they get ice blocked |
| 17:32.46 | Lulia | And they'll get it every time. |
| 17:33.06 | foxlit | HoTs? |
| 17:33.24 | Lulia | Then your healer has to have hots. |
| 17:33.32 | Lulia | Which pallies don't have, so no pally healer |
| 17:34.06 | Lulia | Honestly, it's safer just to grab 5 people, I'm sure that can be managed :P |
| 17:34.27 | Lulia | 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 dps, one of which can off-heal. |
| 17:35.03 | Lulia | Or if you can't find that 3rd DPS, 4-man it |
| 17:35.59 | Lulia | Hmm, when I create a status bar, should I attach it to a frame, or, since it's a frame, can I stand it alone? |
| 17:36.24 | Lulia | Or, rather, should I stand it alone? |
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| 17:38.29 | Deveyus | Pally heals + Blood Tank. Tank can chain CD's to survive iceblocks, does decent dps, and can use the glyph of blood tap to keep the healer alive inthe iceblock the pally healer can dps and heal both of them at the same time easily. |
| 17:38.58 | Lulia | Blood Tank won't be DPSing very much |
| 17:39.38 | Deveyus | Enough, the place is tuned for people in heroic level gear, ilvl <200 not ilevel 251-270 |
| 17:40.07 | Lulia | Still dubious on it, I'd label is possible but not likely |
| 17:40.13 | Lulia | But if you have the right people, then maybe |
| 17:40.32 | Deveyus | ... As soon asmy friend gets on,I'm talking into doing this, with fraps running ofc. |
| 17:42.50 | Lulia | What would it prove? |
| 17:42.54 | Lulia | I said it was possible :P |
| 17:43.02 | Lulia | lua>t={10,20,30,40};function ShowTable(arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4) print(arg1); print(arg2); print(arg3); print(arg4); end; ShowTable(unpack(t)); |
| 17:43.02 | lua_bot | Lulia: 10, 20, 30, 40 |
| 17:43.13 | Lulia | Man, that's pretty sweet. |
| 17:43.19 | Lulia | unpack is my new favorite function |
| 17:45.45 | Lulia | So, no thoughts on the Status Bar? :P |
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| 17:50.37 | jnwhiteh | Any sites that will help tell me what stats I should be aiming for on my druid? |
| 17:51.15 | Fisker | all of the above |
| 17:51.27 | Fisker | but elitist jerks would be a great place to start |
| 17:51.45 | Cide | amro: ping |
| 17:51.46 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: what spec? |
| 17:52.08 | nevcairiel | moonkin is really easy: intellect > haste > * |
| 17:52.26 | nevcairiel | assuming hit capped etc, of course |
| 17:52.32 | jnwhiteh | resto |
| 17:52.39 | jnwhiteh | whats the resto haste cap? |
| 17:52.42 | jnwhiteh | i assume thats first? |
| 17:52.55 | Fisker | 1000ish or so |
| 17:53.14 | nevcairiel | i actually havent bothered to look that up since the changes |
| 17:53.17 | jnwhiteh | ah, then I'm 600 short :P |
| 17:53.21 | nevcairiel | however intellect is still the most important |
| 17:53.22 | jnwhiteh | i have spirit instead |
| 17:53.40 | jnwhiteh | is it? |
| 17:53.42 | jnwhiteh | to what degree? |
| 17:53.50 | jnwhiteh | any cap? |
| 17:54.04 | Fisker | http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t101219-wotlk_4_0_restoration_discussion/# |
| 17:54.19 | Fisker | You should reforge as much crit to haste as you can, with the goal after gemming to be around 1016. Rejuvs ticks are still a shade buggy with regard to how many you get. |
| 17:54.19 | Fisker | Reforging Spirit into Crit is not a bad idea provided your mana seems to be okay. |
| 17:54.21 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 17:54.31 | Shirik | MentalPower: When you get some time ping me |
| 17:55.02 | jnwhiteh | is reforging in game now? |
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| 17:55.30 | nevcairiel | int usually comes on everythign anyway, so yeah, below cap go for as much haste as possible |
| 17:56.00 | Cide | anyone used protobuf here? |
| 17:56.46 | nevcairiel | i'm still debating the useful ness of crit |
| 17:56.53 | nevcairiel | but its not that high i guess |
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| 17:59.18 | nevcairiel | qI didnt consider reforging spirit to crit |
| 17:59.22 | nevcairiel | that might be useful |
| 17:59.27 | nevcairiel | i'm swimming in mana anyway |
| 17:59.37 | cbreak | are you a healer? |
| 17:59.47 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:00.06 | cbreak | blizz wrote that they want to make crit seem more useful to healers |
| 18:00.13 | nevcairiel | yeah, they did |
| 18:00.17 | nevcairiel | but not as useful as haste |
| 18:00.25 | nevcairiel | unless capped, of course |
| 18:00.26 | haste | but I am useful! |
| 18:00.37 | haste | ~rimshot |
| 18:00.37 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 18:00.38 | cbreak | I think haste is great |
| 18:01.03 | cbreak | but not sure nowadays (I am arcane) |
| 18:01.04 | haste | discovered the BioShock OST. |
| 18:06.17 | Iriel | Lulia: the only thing to watch out for with unpack is that unless you're explicit, embedded nils can cause you problems |
| 18:06.36 | Lulia | You mean nils in the table itself? |
| 18:08.00 | Lulia | is confused over the term embedded nils. |
| 18:08.32 | Fisker | discovered haste |
| 18:08.36 | Fisker | on a boat |
| 18:08.47 | Fisker | of course jnwhiteh |
| 18:10.07 | haste | Fisker: step into my garden |
| 18:10.16 | Fisker | roflcopter |
| 18:10.35 | Fisker | A scam mail pretending to be EU, but having US links |
| 18:11.10 | Sintacks | lol |
| 18:11.21 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hi. |
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| 18:16.21 | Lulia | Hmm, does WoWAce not approve projects over the weekend? |
| 18:16.28 | Computerpunk | they do. |
| 18:16.34 | Computerpunk | just bug torhal or ackis |
| 18:17.52 | Fisker | sup jnwhiteh |
| 18:18.33 | Lulia | aka the Ackis in the channel right now? |
| 18:19.17 | Computerpunk | yes. |
| 18:19.27 | Lulia | Who is apparently AFK >.> |
| 18:20.48 | Iriel | Lulia: I mean like { 1, 2, 3, nil, "hi", nil, 7} |
| 18:21.16 | Lulia | Hmm, well I can run check to make sure there's no nil values in the table if it relies on user-input, no? |
| 18:21.18 | Iriel | Unpack on its own could unpack 1, 2, 3; or 1, 2,3, nil "hi", or 1, 2, 3, nil, "hi", nil, 7 |
| 18:21.20 | Lulia | checks* |
| 18:21.27 | Iriel | Sure, unless you WANT a nil in there |
| 18:21.36 | Lulia | >.> |
| 18:21.44 | Iriel | You can pass an explicit start and length to unpack, in those cases where you do |
| 18:21.44 | Kaelten | Lulia: you uploaded powerbars? |
| 18:22.00 | Lulia | I did, Kaelten |
| 18:22.20 | Lulia | It's functional enough that I wanted people to be able to use it. It also gives useful feedback as I develop it further. |
| 18:22.26 | Kaelten | screen name on curse is Cham...? |
| 18:22.30 | Lulia | It's up on WoWInterface at the moment |
| 18:22.32 | Lulia | Yes |
| 18:22.48 | Lulia | It's my SC2 name, and thus I registered it as such on SC2Mapster |
| 18:23.04 | Lulia | Which is apparently a Curse site. |
| 18:24.02 | Kaelten | yup :) |
| 18:25.17 | Kaelten | just making sure it's the same person :) |
| 18:25.28 | Lulia | Chamenas was actually my account name for WoW too, before they put in RealID and made us use e-mails. |
| 18:25.32 | Kaelten | ok, just cleared out all the queue on wowace :D |
| 18:25.33 | Lulia | Oh, I understand :P |
| 18:25.50 | Lulia | Thanks :) |
| 18:34.40 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:34.45 | Shirik | elsewhere on IRC: |
| 18:34.48 | Shirik | (14:32:00) (Dragonfly6-7) FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK |
| 18:34.48 | Shirik | (14:32:00)  -› Quit: Dragonfly6-7 (~test@bas1-montreal48-1176174564.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:34.53 | Shirik | How do you respond to something like this >.> |
| 18:35.17 | Mirrormn | since they logged off, you can't respond |
| 18:37.24 | Mirrormn | oh snipple, eg masters cup is on |
| 18:38.16 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:44.54 | Ackis | Lulia: did you need me or did Kaelten deal w/ it? |
| 18:45.07 | Lulia | Kaelten dealt with it. :) |
| 18:45.40 | Kaelten | he may need help with repos |
| 18:46.05 | Ackis | happy halloween Kaelten did you dress up today? |
| 18:46.10 | Kaelten | last night |
| 18:46.15 | Kaelten | started off going for silent bob |
| 18:46.20 | Kaelten | but ended up not being able to find a cap |
| 18:46.33 | Kaelten | got a trench coat at the thrift store that fit pretty well |
| 18:46.39 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:47.16 | Kaelten | straightened my hair: http://grab.by/78ZY |
| 18:47.46 | Ackis | I think I'm the only guy on irc with short hair |
| 18:48.01 | nevcairiel | I have short hair! |
| 18:48.09 | Kaelten | it was about an inch 18 months ago |
| 18:48.15 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#I_am_tired_of_you_people_giving_me_nightmares |
| 18:48.18 | nevcairiel | never been cut since then? |
| 18:48.22 | Kaelten | nope |
| 18:48.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:48.51 | Kaelten | switching to ims |
| 18:50.26 | Fisker | imma call your hair terrible Kaelten |
| 18:52.42 | Ackis | Shirik: Fisker wants to use his right to vanish from RL |
| 18:53.06 | Fisker | imma vpn rl Ackis |
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| 18:54.31 | Ackis | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ackis |
| 18:54.35 | Ackis | kekekeks |
| 18:54.42 | Lulia | erm |
| 18:54.46 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:54.51 | Ackis | heheh |
| 18:55.22 | mikma | imma gonna change that to retarded |
| 18:55.47 | Ackis | Shirik: I think my user page is about to be vandalized |
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| 18:56.43 | Shirik | nah |
| 18:56.47 | Shirik | mikma is too nice to do that |
| 18:58.32 | mikma | SHUSSSS, stop spoiling this |
| 18:58.49 | mikma | of course i won't change it but i wan't him to believe that i will |
| 18:59.07 | Lulia | Bleh, I can't figure out how to use Putty to connect to the repository server :( |
| 19:05.49 | Robsato | I noticed that when I call PlayMusic() WoW does not stop the normal music anymore since patch 4.0.1. Is there another way now to stop the music? |
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| 19:18.57 | Kraps | "You did not vanish if you are sockpuppeting, and if you are found out *it is your own fault and you should not have done that in the first place*." |
| 19:19.06 | Kraps | no Shirik |
| 19:19.30 | Kraps | too much common sense |
| 19:19.34 | amro | what do you mean? he's right here |
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| 19:20.29 | Kraps | so's your face amro |
| 19:24.50 | olafski | my old guild banker has 1M gold.. says he sold another 2M :o |
| 19:26.11 | olafski | I should learn this "playing the AH" stuff |
| 19:27.48 | MentalPower | Shirik: pong |
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| 19:44.03 | Skeen | 2 Questions; first of all, the best way to check talents? - Secondly writing something i console for the player to see, howto? |
| 19:44.32 | Maldivia | check talents, as in primary tree, or if individual talents are selected? |
| 19:44.49 | Skeen | check primary tree selected |
| 19:45.03 | Maldivia | !api primarytree |
| 19:45.04 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'primarytree'. |
| 19:45.33 | Maldivia | !api primarytalenttree |
| 19:45.33 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'primarytalenttree': SetPreviewPrimaryTalentTree, SetPrimaryTalentTree, GetPrimaryTalentTree, GetPreviewPrimaryTalentTree |
| 19:45.37 | Maldivia | there we go :) |
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| 19:46.37 | Maldivia | and if you by "writing to the console" mean writing to the chat frames, then ChatFrame1:AddMessage("something") -- will write something to the primay chatframe |
| 19:46.40 | Skeen | returns 1 = tree 1, 2= 2 and so forth? |
| 19:47.11 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 19:47.41 | Skeen | great, I'm currently checking which tree has more than 31 points in it, but kinda thought there would be an easier way |
| 19:47.55 | Skeen | I'm interreste in writing in the usual chat frame |
| 19:48.03 | Skeen | just to inform the player something |
| 19:49.01 | Skeen | ChatFrame1 = basic chat frame? |
| 19:49.39 | Maldivia | ChatFrame1 is the 1st chatframe, usualy where you see general, trade, chat etc, ChatFrame2 is the 2nd chatframe, usually the combat log |
| 19:50.20 | Skeen | great, if I do an AddMessage, will it be only for the player? |
| 19:50.31 | Maldivia | yes |
| 19:50.40 | Skeen | ok, I love you :) |
| 19:50.59 | Maldivia | you would have to do SendChatMessage(...) to send to other players |
| 19:51.09 | Skeen | thats what I'm using, and I dont want that |
| 19:51.10 | Skeen | :p |
| 19:51.13 | Iriel | You can use 'print' to talk to the current player too |
| 19:51.20 | Iriel | it's easier than mucking around with AddMessage |
| 19:51.27 | Iriel | (but it only goes to the default chat frame) |
| 19:51.37 | Maldivia | ahh yeah, print works as well, always forget it's there, because it hasn't always been there :) |
| 19:51.43 | Iriel | i.e. x = 7; print("X has a value of", x) |
| 19:51.54 | Skeen | which one would be better to use in case I just wanna use the standard frame? |
| 19:51.56 | Skeen | print? |
| 19:52.05 | Skeen | which one is more 'standard' |
| 19:52.10 | Maldivia | just use print |
| 19:52.25 | Skeen | printf syntax? |
| 19:52.50 | Maldivia | no |
| 19:52.51 | Iriel | It prints its arguments, converted to strings, separated by spaces |
| 19:53.03 | Skeen | k :) |
| 19:53.04 | Iriel | it's intended to be "useful and easy" |
| 19:53.06 | Maldivia | if you want printf, then print(String.format(formatstring, arguments)) |
| 19:53.21 | Skeen | k :) |
| 19:53.26 | Maldivia | ehh string.format ( or ("formatstring"):format(args) ) |
| 19:54.09 | Skeen | love you :) |
| 19:54.12 | Skeen | well both of you |
| 19:55.56 | Maldivia | gets in a Lion King mood, with all the love that's being thrown around |
| 19:56.36 | Mirrormn | CAAAN YOU FEEEEUUHL THE LUUUOOOOOVE TO-NAAAAAAAA-A-IGHT |
| 19:56.51 | Shirik | puts on elton john |
| 19:57.05 | Mirrormn | puts Elton John on Shirik |
| 19:57.21 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtgVSxfr5M |
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| 20:04.32 | mikma | oh, lion king |
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| 20:05.25 | Skeen | can one do '\t' in print? |
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| 20:07.10 | Shirik | Is this too much? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:178.109.10.48 |
| 20:07.45 | farmbuyer | Skeen: you can use tabs in chat output, but it doesn't do anything more than a single space. |
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| 20:07.58 | farmbuyer | I'm not sure what happens if the user tries using a monospace font, though. |
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| 20:12.42 | foxlit | "for hacking Wikipedia," Shirik? |
| 20:12.45 | foxlit | Do I get a prize? |
| 20:12.54 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:178.109.10.48&diff=394030489&oldid=394030215 |
| 20:13.12 | Humbedooh | zomg he hacked it! |
| 20:13.28 | foxlit | also, that message does not parse. |
| 20:13.28 | Humbedooh | or maybe he didn't quite grasp the concept of wikipedia :\ |
| 20:13.36 | foxlit | Curse you for stack-underflowing my mental parser :/ |
| 20:13.53 | foxlit | "Your request to be temporarily blocked has been granted from editing for hacking Wikipedia." |
| 20:13.54 | Shirik | blame FQ she wrote it |
| 20:14.02 | Shirik | except the "hacking Wikipedia" part |
| 20:14.29 | Jamash | yeah the "has been granted" and "from editing" should be swapped |
| 20:15.38 | olafski | hm so I downloaded the cata downloader from eu.battle.net, ran it, it downloaded about 600MB and now when I click "play", nothing happens.. am I missing something? |
| 20:15.42 | olafski | cata beta I mean* :) |
| 20:16.00 | Humbedooh | maybe banned by Yoda he was, hmm? |
| 20:16.46 | Jamash | ~Humbedooh++ |
| 20:17.08 | Jamash | olafski: Doesn't sound right, no |
| 20:18.14 | olafski | it did crash my normal wow client when I clicked play btw |
| 20:18.19 | olafski | but even after I closed that the play button does nothing |
| 20:19.12 | olafski | oh well I'll just watch CSI instead |
| 20:19.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:19.23 | Fisker | why are you a frost queen? |
| 20:19.27 | Jamash | If the beta installer grabs data from the live client (I'm not sure whether it does) then running both the live client and the beta installer at once probably horked things up |
| 20:19.32 | Shirik | I want to be a fire queen |
| 20:19.35 | Shirik | but they wouldn't let me |
| 20:19.43 | olafski | jamash: yeah I figured.. which is why I closed the live client |
| 20:19.55 | olafski | you think it messed it up so bad I have to redownload the beta thing? |
| 20:19.59 | Jamash | could be |
| 20:20.38 | olafski | hm I have nothing better to do anyway |
| 20:20.44 | olafski | well I do but I don't want to study some MS exam :P |
| 20:22.18 | Jamash | oh god I did something to my shoulder in my slee |
| 20:22.20 | Jamash | p |
| 20:23.07 | olafski | sounds good |
| 20:23.21 | Jamash | it hurts bad |
| 20:23.28 | tem | Mirrormn, ping |
| 20:24.29 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26859118887/vanish-immuning-is-no-more-intended/ |
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| 20:25.56 | Shirik | good |
| 20:25.58 | olafski | ouch GC |
| 20:26.01 | Shirik | totally agree with GC |
| 20:26.02 | olafski | "rouge" |
| 20:27.51 | Shirik | ..... ow |
| 20:27.54 | Shirik | (16:26:36) - TheCavalry changes topic to: Welcome to #wikipedia-en-admins | Happy halloween! Candy will be given out when Category:Administrative backlog is empty. |
| 20:27.58 | Fisker | best of both worlds really |
| 20:28.07 | Fisker | kinda makes you wonder why they didn't do that the first time |
| 20:28.47 | olafski | they could just completely nerf rogues out |
| 20:29.00 | Kraps | http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en |
| 20:29.13 | olafski | I see |
| 20:29.15 | Kraps | lol Shirik |
| 20:29.53 | Kraps | its like dividing by zero |
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| 20:32.20 | olafski | jamash: didn't help :( |
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| 20:37.26 | Jamash | IMO rogues would be balanced if they took out stealth |
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| 20:38.09 | Jamash | or stuns, one or the other |
| 20:38.12 | olafski | or both |
| 20:38.31 | Jamash | well, at that point you might as well delete the class |
| 20:38.46 | olafski | might as well eh |
| 20:38.50 | olafski | oh well, nothing to do about it :P |
| 20:38.58 | Jamash | I'd be happy if they took stuns out of the game entirely |
| 20:39.29 | Jamash | "You can't do anything and you take full damage from everything" is not something that can be balanced |
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| 20:45.18 | foxlit | Jamash: sure it can. |
| 20:45.33 | foxlit | Suppose it takes a minute to kill you, and you can be stunned for a maximum of 7 seconds. |
| 20:45.46 | foxlit | Are stuns meaningful at that point? |
| 20:46.11 | _adys | and where do you get such numbers from? |
| 20:46.43 | Jamash | foxlit: Okay, "cannot be balanced without changing wow pvp so much as to be unrecognizable" |
| 20:47.08 | foxlit | Jamash: I'd contend that that's a null statement |
| 20:47.28 | Jamash | There has never been a single moment in WoW during which rogues couldn't stunlock someone from 100% to 0 |
| 20:48.02 | Cide | hi adys |
| 20:48.04 | Jamash | foxlit: your face is a null statement |
| 20:48.06 | Cide | why are you so afk |
| 20:48.45 | foxlit | Point is, you'll probably also want to assert that wow pvp isn't balanced now |
| 20:48.56 | foxlit | Any change that would make it balanced would make it unrecognizable, really. |
| 20:49.01 | Jamash | that's silly |
| 20:50.18 | foxlit | Rogues with no stealth? Unrecognizable. Rogues with no stuns? Unrecognizable. People with large HP pools but low damage? Unrecognizable. |
| 20:50.37 | _adys | hi Cide |
| 20:50.39 | _adys | i was sleeping |
| 20:50.39 | Cide | burst damage *needs* to be a risk |
| 20:50.52 | Cide | otherwise you lose a lot of strategic options |
| 20:52.08 | foxlit | I view that as a "some doors close, others open" sort of thing. |
| 20:52.34 | amro | foxlit: sure they're meaningful, you get 7 seconds ahead |
| 20:52.47 | amro | considering the game has so few deliberate damage avoidance mechanics |
| 20:53.06 | foxlit | amro: but it would seem that the main crux of the complaint was that you couldn't react in any way while you were killed. |
| 20:53.46 | foxlit | If you have 53 more seconds to play in, it seems to me like you'd have an actual chance -- who knows what tricks you have up your sleeve to balance out the 7 second lead time? |
| 20:54.02 | Jamash | except then healing would need to be nerfed to compensate |
| 20:54.10 | amro | stuns are just weird- I'd rather see more disarms, more silences, more damage reduction debuffs |
| 20:54.16 | amro | more freaking decision making |
| 20:54.21 | Jamash | yes |
| 20:54.21 | amro | rather than just DEAL MORE DAMAGE FIRST |
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| 20:54.44 | foxlit | "Do I stun now? Do I use (resource) on stuns?" is a decision, too. |
| 20:54.45 | amro | best would be to have some sort of RPS defensive mechanic, but that's not going to happen |
| 20:54.55 | Jamash | RPS? |
| 20:54.56 | amro | foxlit: not much of one really |
| 20:55.05 | amro | for things to be interesting, shit needs to BACKFIRE |
| 20:55.08 | amro | not just be less useful than optimal |
| 20:55.09 | Jamash | oh rock paper scissors |
| 20:55.14 | amro | but backfire and screw you if you use it wrong |
| 20:55.21 | amro | right now, that just doesn't happen |
| 20:55.36 | Jamash | mirrored blades for the hunter is one |
| 20:55.43 | amro | no clue what that is |
| 20:55.50 | foxlit | retaliation or something. |
| 20:55.59 | Jamash | reflects spells during Deterrence |
| 20:56.04 | foxlit | It could, but doesn't need to -- the opportunity cost might actually make a difference. Make enough bad decisions, and you've lost anyway. |
| 20:56.07 | amro | how does it backfire? |
| 20:56.15 | Jamash | it causes enemy spells to backfire |
| 20:56.27 | amro | I'm talking about your own stuff backfiring |
| 20:56.40 | Jamash | from their perspective, their stuff is backfiring |
| 20:56.52 | amro | not like that at all |
| 20:56.54 | amro | it's not a decisoin |
| 20:57.04 | amro | you see the effect, you don't cast stuff |
| 20:57.06 | amro | it's a reaction |
| 20:57.11 | foxlit | I don't think stuff going "Critical Fail!" in your face is a good design. |
| 20:57.25 | Jamash | me either |
| 20:57.38 | amro | I didn't say make everything into gnomish engineering spells |
| 20:58.03 | amro | for a decision to be meaningful, it has to be potentially harmful to yourself. for example, if you had to opt between a defensive and offensive spell on the same cooldown |
| 20:58.12 | amro | you'd need to use your judgment to figure out what suits your current situation best |
| 20:58.26 | foxlit | The choice between a stun and a finisher move is clearly in that category? |
| 20:58.49 | amro | nah |
| 20:59.02 | amro | the issue is that what your target is doing doesn't matter often enough |
| 20:59.05 | amro | you just do what kills them fastest |
| 20:59.17 | Fisker | whoa |
| 20:59.19 | Fisker | triple valkyrs |
| 20:59.21 | Fisker | all the way |
| 20:59.22 | amro | don't need to know or care what they're about to do |
| 20:59.24 | Fisker | what does this mean? |
| 20:59.31 | Fisker | it's so intense |
| 20:59.33 | amro | it means you're screwed Fisker |
| 21:00.01 | foxlit | amro: I think the abundance of addons that track enemy cooldowns is a clear indication that what you're describing is not the case. |
| 21:00.15 | foxlit | "Oh hey, he has a trinket. If I stun him now, he'll trinket out of it, and then..." |
| 21:00.24 | Fisker | you know what sucks amro ? |
| 21:00.36 | Fisker | infest, valkyrs and transition phase on the same time |
| 21:00.43 | Fisker | don't even know how we managed that |
| 21:00.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 21:00.57 | Jamash | damn |
| 21:01.46 | foxlit | Fisker: with a smile on your face, surely. |
| 21:02.17 | amro | foxlit: on the contrary, the fact that they track cooldowns proves my point |
| 21:02.37 | amro | decision making is deterministic based on that input |
| 21:02.47 | amro | it's notthing at all like the decision making in say sc2 or sf |
| 21:03.02 | amro | where you have to anticipate more, and actually read your opponent |
| 21:03.11 | amro | instead of just calculating the most efficient way of killing them on the fly |
| 21:03.13 | Fisker | it was kind of :( |
| 21:03.20 | Fisker | because phase 3 is a cakewalk on heroic |
| 21:03.33 | amro | Fisker: I have no clue what you're talking about, I'm gonna assume some raid |
| 21:03.36 | foxlit | I'm thinking transition and val'kyrs cancel out |
| 21:03.46 | foxlit | So you're only dealing with infest, which is quite frankly boring :) |
| 21:04.02 | foxlit | amro: "Will he use the trinket?" |
| 21:04.06 | Fisker | i think the people on valks take damage from the frost aoe |
| 21:04.10 | foxlit | sc2 isn't a perfect information game. |
| 21:04.11 | Shirik | hey PHP gurus |
| 21:04.15 | Fisker | atleast they took some heavy damage before we wiped |
| 21:04.18 | foxlit | You *cannot* replicate that in arena. |
| 21:04.19 | Fisker | but idk could be infest |
| 21:04.19 | amro | foxlit: sf is though |
| 21:04.25 | foxlit | sf? |
| 21:04.25 | Shirik | what's that function that turns an array ['a', 'b', 'c'] into a string "a,b,c" ? |
| 21:04.29 | amro | street fighter |
| 21:04.54 | amro | also, I'm not saying there's 0 decision making in arena, but there just isn't enough |
| 21:05.10 | Shirik | got it, implode() |
| 21:05.12 | amro | in sf you're making a decision per second |
| 21:05.28 | Humbedooh | or glue() |
| 21:05.39 | Jamash | amro: only one per second? |
| 21:05.40 | tem | oh god |
| 21:05.42 | tem | this is so horrible |
| 21:05.42 | tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGnfKnfY6EM&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:06.20 | amro | Jamash: that's before it spikes |
| 21:06.24 | amro | things can get pretty crazy at times |
| 21:06.41 | amro | but not all decisions are weighted equally |
| 21:09.02 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure street fighter isn't a client-server multiplayer team game |
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| 21:09.44 | amro | I'm pretty sure that has no impact on how interesting the decisions are |
| 21:10.18 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure it does |
| 21:10.35 | amro | no, it does not |
| 21:10.46 | amro | rps mechanics would work just fine in wow |
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| 21:11.38 | amro | every competitive game has them in one form or another, including sports |
| 21:11.55 | amro | (where it isn't there by design, but still exists) |
| 21:13.10 | olafski | is there any word on whether guild reputation is account-wide? |
| 21:13.17 | Jamash | ok, so give an example of a game which is technologically similar to wow but has a decision model like you're describing |
| 21:13.28 | amro | there isn't one |
| 21:13.31 | amro | does there have to be one? |
| 21:13.52 | Jamash | I was hoping I could understand what you mean by having something to compare it to |
| 21:13.57 | amro | ah |
| 21:14.05 | amro | hold on, I think I have a good article on this somwhere |
| 21:14.59 | amro | http://sonichurricane.com/?p=4860 |
| 21:14.59 | Jamash | the fundamental problem is that pvp and pve have dramatically different rules by design |
| 21:15.10 | Fisker | amro |
| 21:15.12 | Fisker | it's hot in here |
| 21:15.16 | amro | specifically |
| 21:15.19 | amro | "While a single round of rock-paper-scissors is indeed a dumb guessing game, it becomes interesting once you play it several times in a row. Both players gradually start to pick up on each other’s tendencies – and more importantly, the thought process behind their decisions." |
| 21:15.21 | amro | and Fisker |
| 21:15.28 | amro | so take off all your clothes |
| 21:15.28 | Fisker | fondles his nipples and sends pics to amro |
| 21:15.46 | amro | forwards pics to /dev/null |
| 21:16.24 | Jamash | RPS is indeed the purest game of its kind; there is no goal other than to predict the behavior of your opponent |
| 21:16.50 | Jamash | while they attempt to do the same to you\ |
| 21:17.27 | amro | it's more interesting once the decisions are weighted and nested and done repeatedly |
| 21:17.38 | Jamash | of course |
| 21:17.39 | amro | you can then manipulate your opponent |
| 21:18.03 | amro | when you have one or two of those decisions in a minute like in wow, it's pretty much just random |
| 21:18.12 | Humbedooh | I'd say you're just romantisizing a tautological fact |
| 21:18.39 | amro | I'm emphasizing it |
| 21:18.55 | amro | also, c* |
| 21:19.03 | Humbedooh | s/I'd/Jamash: I'd/ |
| 21:19.16 | Jamash | what? |
| 21:19.20 | segorawow | if i want to remove a subtable from a table, how do have to solve this? if i use table.remove(table[1]) it only removes the elements within [1] .. |
| 21:19.39 | Humbedooh | it's only "the purest game" because it fits into your personal idea of what a game is :p |
| 21:19.40 | Jamash | table.subtable = nil |
| 21:19.50 | Jamash | Humbedooh: *of its kind* |
| 21:19.53 | amro | Humbedooh: of its kind |
| 21:20.05 | Humbedooh | again, same argument :p |
| 21:20.15 | amro | no, not really |
| 21:20.18 | segorawow | Jamash: nil is not what i'am searching for, i want to remove the whole subtable |
| 21:20.23 | Jamash | Humbedooh: Go study game theory and then come back. |
| 21:20.24 | Humbedooh | yes, yes really :> |
| 21:20.28 | amro | segorawow: setting it to nil removes it |
| 21:20.32 | Humbedooh | Jamash: I've studied plenty of it |
| 21:20.34 | Jamash | segorawow: I don't know what you mean by "subtable" |
| 21:20.56 | amro | Humbedooh: name a purer RPS game |
| 21:21.12 | Jamash | Humbedooh: Then you're just trolling. |
| 21:21.32 | Humbedooh | I don't think a game alone can qualify as "pure" without a context |
| 21:21.47 | amro | definitely trolling |
| 21:21.51 | Jamash | there is a context, you're just ignoring it |
| 21:22.05 | Humbedooh | no I didn't? :\ |
| 21:22.12 | Jamash | Yes you did |
| 21:22.19 | Humbedooh | proof or it didn't happen! |
| 21:22.19 | Jamash | the context of the conversation |
| 21:22.23 | segorawow | Jamash: i mean something like that: t = { { "key1", Key2" } { "key1", Key2" } } |
| 21:22.54 | Jamash | segorawow: I'm not sure you understand how tables work in Lua |
| 21:22.59 | amro | segorawow: you're misusing table.remove |
| 21:23.05 | amro | the first argument is the table to remove from |
| 21:23.12 | amro | so, tabl, not tabl[1] |
| 21:23.31 | segorawow | oh, okay ... then i go back to the manual in read it again |
| 21:24.35 | Humbedooh | also, please don't start bullying people with the usual "go read [...] and come back" |
| 21:24.45 | Humbedooh | it's quite pathetic for someone your age :\ |
| 21:24.56 | Jamash | Humbedooh: I'm four years old, and I find that statement offensive. |
| 21:24.57 | Humbedooh | to me, RPS is so much more than just predicting |
| 21:25.23 | Jamash | Then you don't know what RPS is. |
| 21:25.47 | Torhal | Tainted by bias! |
| 21:25.52 | Humbedooh | rock paper scissor? |
| 21:25.53 | amro | Humbedooh: you can break it down to plain prediction, even though things like influence are involved |
| 21:26.43 | Humbedooh | granted, it's not easy to "bluff" like you can in poker, but to simply claim that it's all about predicting, that's like saying blue is just a color |
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| 21:27.09 | Jamash | In RPS, you have three alternatives, each of which is equivalent to the others. There's no strategy other than to predict what your opponent will play, and play the alternative that wins against that one |
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| 21:27.31 | amro | Humbedooh: like I said, influencing your opponent one way or another falls under that |
| 21:27.36 | Jamash | So you're saying I'm wrong because what I'm saying is true? |
| 21:27.41 | Humbedooh | okay, if you define prediction that way, most will fall under that |
| 21:27.43 | Jamash | Explain this to me. |
| 21:28.01 | amro | Humbedooh: prediction is just a concept, not an action |
| 21:28.12 | amro | prediction can involve pure luck, studying patterns, or influencing the target |
| 21:28.25 | Humbedooh | yes, but you can still set abstract limits to what prediction refers to in your argument |
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| 21:28.34 | Jamash | I don't have an argument |
| 21:28.42 | Humbedooh | otherwise, then yes, it's all about predicting |
| 21:28.45 | amro | I'm not even sure what you mean, or why it's relevant to the earlier discussion |
| 21:28.46 | Jamash | you're the one who's trying to argue with me |
| 21:29.03 | Humbedooh | I wasn't really arguing, I was just stating something |
| 21:29.05 | Jamash | I don't even know what you're talking about |
| 21:29.59 | Humbedooh | I stated that the game was only "pure" because your interpretation of the concept of the game is simple |
| 21:30.06 | Jamash | oh lord |
| 21:30.31 | amro | Humbedooh: you can either name a purer RPS game than RPS or stop this line of reasoning |
| 21:30.36 | Jamash | I'm not sure it's worth it to find out what you mean by that |
| 21:31.03 | amro | when someone says something is <superlative>, the only way to prove them wrong is to name something else that is <superlative> |
| 21:31.11 | Humbedooh | amro: that wasn't in my statement anywhere |
| 21:31.27 | Jamash | I'll explain what I mean then you can explain what you mean, ok? |
| 21:31.35 | amro | or |
| 21:31.35 | Humbedooh | I know what you mean :) |
| 21:31.40 | amro | we could stop this silly discussion |
| 21:31.41 | Jamash | No, you don't |
| 21:32.00 | Dagmar | "War". |
| 21:32.11 | Humbedooh | raawr |
| 21:32.19 | Jamash | Poker is not a pure game of prediction because at the end of the game the winner is determined by the cards, which follow a statistical distribution blah blah blah blah |
| 21:32.22 | amro | Humbedooh: he said it's the purest game of its kind, you said no. name a purer game of RPS's kind or rescind that statement, end of story |
| 21:32.39 | Humbedooh | I didn't say no per se |
| 21:32.50 | Kraps | amro: what about tells? |
| 21:33.08 | Jamash | Chess is not a pure game of prediction (or indeed, in the limit, a game of prediction at all) because it has a winning strategy which can be mechanically carried out |
| 21:33.12 | amro | Kraps: what about them? they're a part of prediction, which as I said is a concept and not a discrete action |
| 21:33.35 | Jamash | In RPS, the *only* means of winning is to be better at predicting your opponent than your opponent is at predicting you. |
| 21:33.57 | Jamash | it is, therefore, the purest game of its kind |
| 21:33.58 | amro | or to be the luckiest bastard ever and win 75 times in a row or something. |
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| 21:34.26 | Jamash | Now, tell me why I'm wrong. |
| 21:34.30 | foxlit | "because it has a winning strategy which can be mechanically carried out" << conjecture. |
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| 21:34.49 | foxlit | Or you're sitting on a quite interesting result, and should totally publish :P |
| 21:34.51 | segorawow | okay, thank you amro, you tip about the misuse was true |
| 21:34.55 | segorawow | +r |
| 21:34.55 | Humbedooh | who says you're wrong? ;s |
| 21:34.58 | Jamash | fine, a winning or drawing strategy |
| 21:34.59 | amro | foxlit: agreed, there isn't always a mechanical solution in chess |
| 21:35.14 | Humbedooh | I'm just saying that "predicting" is quite a big "if" in the discussion of game theory |
| 21:35.15 | Jamash | which can be mechanically carried out |
| 21:35.23 | Jamash | I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 21:35.45 | foxlit | Jamash: Still too string |
| 21:35.50 | foxlit | s/rin/ron/ |
| 21:36.06 | Jamash | I know what all the words mean but I don't know what they mean when put together in that order. |
| 21:36.10 | Humbedooh | do you see the person you play against? is it a computer? can you influence the person? what psychology plays into it? |
| 21:36.29 | Jamash | foxlit: I'm sorry, is there any random element to chess? |
| 21:36.32 | amro | not sure why you're taking the conversation in that direction Humbedooh |
| 21:36.38 | Jamash | is there any hidden information? |
| 21:36.39 | foxlit | Actually, nevermind. You could get away with claiming that you meant for either players. |
| 21:36.40 | amro | we're talking about interesting decisions in competitive games |
| 21:36.59 | Humbedooh | amro: I'd say those factors are interesting as well |
| 21:37.02 | Jamash | there's a winning or drawing strategy to chess for the same reason that there's one for tic-tac-toe |
| 21:37.31 | amro | Humbedooh: I'm saying I have no clue what your point is because you keep changing it |
| 21:37.33 | Humbedooh | and I didn't take the conversation in that direction, I merely made a simple observation on a phrase |
| 21:37.35 | Jamash | ^ |
| 21:37.39 | Jamash | what amro said |
| 21:37.47 | Jamash | you did not "make a simple observation" |
| 21:37.51 | Humbedooh | amro: No, my point is the same |
| 21:38.01 | amro | no, it's not |
| 21:38.02 | Jamash | you accused me of something, but I'm still not sure what |
| 21:38.05 | Humbedooh | okay then a confusing observation |
| 21:38.07 | amro | unless you have some very very weird logic |
| 21:38.14 | amro | or you completely messed up your wording |
| 21:38.25 | Jamash | you don't have a point |
| 21:38.36 | Humbedooh | I have a very complex logic to most of my nonsense, yes |
| 21:38.52 | foxlit | Jamash: see, it might be the case that the first player always loses (a "winning strategy" exists for the second player). It could be the case that the first player always wins ("a winning strategy"), or can always force a draw ("a drawing strategy" -- but that covers ALL the options, so you've basically not said anything :) |
| 21:38.52 | Humbedooh | mkay then...so |
| 21:39.11 | Humbedooh | Jamash: RPS is teh pure |
| 21:39.38 | Humbedooh | Me: Only if your perception of the decision making in RPS is that of a simple prediction |
| 21:39.52 | Humbedooh | was that better? :| |
| 21:39.52 | amro | no |
| 21:39.58 | amro | he said it's the purest of its kind |
| 21:39.59 | amro | which it is |
| 21:40.04 | amro | you can't simplify it any more than 3 choices |
| 21:40.25 | Jamash | "simple" and "prediction" have no business being together in that sentence |
| 21:40.30 | amro | that too |
| 21:40.36 | Jamash | RPS has the most complex strategy possible. |
| 21:41.20 | Humbedooh | sure they can be in the same sentence |
| 21:41.34 | Jamash | I didn't say they couldn't |
| 21:41.59 | Humbedooh | _that same_ then |
| 21:42.07 | Jamash | what |
| 21:42.15 | Humbedooh | aight nevermind :p |
| 21:42.16 | Xyphoid | isn't 'i choose heads or tails, you guess' simpler |
| 21:42.34 | Humbedooh | Xyphoid: well no |
| 21:42.36 | Jamash | you mean matching pennies? |
| 21:42.41 | Jamash | or flipping them? |
| 21:42.52 | Kraps | quarters |
| 21:42.57 | Jamash | matching pennies is equivalent to RPS |
| 21:43.09 | amro | matching? |
| 21:43.51 | Jamash | Each player picks heads up or heads down in secret, and both reveal their penny simultaneously, A wins if they match, B wins if they differ |
| 21:44.03 | Jamash | RPS without ties basically |
| 21:44.49 | Jamash | both games have the same strategy, which is to predict your opponent and choose the winning outcome based on your prediction |
| 21:45.25 | Xyphoid | i'd argue that the game without ties is simpler - 2 options per player and no ties instead of 3 options per player and possible ties |
| 21:45.31 | amro | it's not equivalent without ties |
| 21:45.36 | amro | Xyphoid: ties are important |
| 21:45.40 | amro | as far as game design |
| 21:45.46 | Jamash | except Humbedooh has some mysterious definition of "predict" |
| 21:45.47 | amro | it means you have two acceptable options |
| 21:45.59 | amro | 66% chance of not completely failing |
| 21:46.04 | Kraps | http://www.geekalerts.com/u/superman-tie.jpg |
| 21:46.05 | Humbedooh | no tie = why play |
| 21:46.15 | Jamash | what? |
| 21:46.43 | amro | it's a lot more interesting once the options are weighted, such as in a game |
| 21:46.46 | amro | er, video game |
| 21:47.19 | Jamash | can we go back to wow pvp? |
| 21:47.20 | Xyphoid | spoof is my favourite prediction game |
| 21:47.26 | Xyphoid | it works great for buying rounds |
| 21:47.30 | amro | Jamash: and why it sucks? :P |
| 21:47.46 | Jamash | amro: Yes |
| 21:48.13 | Jamash | did any of you guys watch the arena matches on the blizzcon stream? |
| 21:48.32 | Jamash | two teams of three guys running around for 20 minutes with no deaths |
| 21:48.42 | amro | ahahah |
| 21:49.02 | Jamash | then one player goes down and the match is over within 5 seconds |
| 21:49.15 | amro | (another reason why wow pvp fails: it's possible to completely reset the situation via regen) |
| 21:49.23 | Jamash | clearly, arenas are fail |
| 21:49.34 | Jamash | they're kind of fun, but fail in terms of game design |
| 21:49.36 | amro | wow pvp would actually work in a BG format |
| 21:49.45 | Jamash | hopefully rated bgs will be better |
| 21:49.47 | amro | well, not sure about that, but it would definitely be better than arena |
| 21:50.02 | Jamash | although I wish they'd redesign WSG |
| 21:50.04 | amro | smaller scale decisions matter less in crowds so it's more about coordination |
| 21:50.14 | Xyphoid | i can't believe we're still playing wsg on the same map |
| 21:50.42 | Jamash | I'm not talking about the map, I mean the mechanics |
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| 21:50.46 | amro | it's not just the map for me, what bothers me is that staying in one close group the entire match is the best strategy |
| 21:50.51 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:51.13 | amro | rated BGs with serious players who stick to the plan will quickly degenerate into small scale TM vs SS |
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| 21:51.26 | amro | with the occasional clutch capture |
| 21:51.30 | Jamash | tm vs ss? |
| 21:51.35 | amro | tarren mill vs southshore |
| 21:51.39 | Jamash | ah |
| 21:52.07 | Jamash | I have a number of issues with WSG in terms of design |
| 21:52.10 | amro | although to be fair it's hard to make CTF work for wow |
| 21:52.17 | Jamash | but the biggest one is that it makes no sense in terms of the universe |
| 21:52.34 | amro | even UT3 had a canon explanation :P |
| 21:52.40 | Xyphoid | i'm kind of surprised they haven't done a dota BG |
| 21:52.44 | amro | a bad one, but one nonetheless |
| 21:53.00 | Jamash | imagine if WSG was redesigned to "capture the shredder" |
| 21:53.03 | Jamash | or something |
| 21:53.16 | amro | what would the horde capture I wonder |
| 21:53.20 | Jamash | something with an in-universe explanation |
| 21:53.39 | amro | they could always riff on UT3's FLaGs |
| 21:53.46 | Jamash | what's that? |
| 21:53.58 | amro | field lattice generator... supposed to be powering the other team's respawners |
| 21:54.00 | amro | iirc |
| 21:54.03 | Jamash | oh whatever |
| 21:54.23 | Jamash | not just a different shaped model, something that made a mechanical difference |
| 21:54.25 | amro | they can have something like capture the crystal, or relic, or whatever |
| 21:54.48 | amro | it wouldn't really be CTF then |
| 21:54.50 | Jamash | like bombing run |
| 21:54.51 | Xyphoid | i just want to actually help an army of footmen or grunts do something |
| 21:54.53 | Jamash | amro: YES |
| 21:54.57 | amro | <3 BR |
| 21:55.00 | Jamash | exactly |
| 21:55.17 | amro | the most tactical form of FPS play |
| 21:55.24 | Jamash | I want a different game type, the way they've implemented 2flag CTF sucks |
| 21:55.41 | amro | Xyphoid: you mean like tarren mill? :P |
| 21:56.00 | Humbedooh | TM was fun :> |
| 21:56.36 | Humbedooh | you could "pvp" for hours and only move an inch |
| 21:56.36 | amro | until long enough into peak time that alliance has enough players to just steamroll and the horde goes home :( |
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| 21:57.11 | amro | I liked how you could tell what time of day it was based on the bones |
| 21:59.06 | tem | fucking ridiculous terran horseshit |
| 21:59.19 | amro | rofl |
| 21:59.26 | amro | what was it this time tem? |
| 21:59.35 | tem | lzgamer v machine |
| 21:59.47 | amro | steam too choppy for me :( |
| 21:59.50 | amro | stream |
| 22:02.06 | tem | double proxy rax into 2x cloaked banshee |
| 22:02.49 | cbreak | just did a mass chargelots with high templars and stalkers into getting roasted by a bunch of colossi :/ |
| 22:02.55 | tem | it is absolutely retarded that zerg has no real anti air at teir one |
| 22:03.09 | amro | tem: queeeeeeeensssssssss |
| 22:03.19 | amro | that or hit the lair really fast |
| 22:03.40 | cbreak | zerg has quite a few anti air |
| 22:03.42 | tem | which are both impossible when you're being pressured by a zillion marines due to the 2 proxy rax |
| 22:04.06 | amro | tem: in which case, transitioning into anything after the proxy rax would have won the terran the game |
| 22:04.11 | Fisker | omgnos |
| 22:04.15 | Fisker | we had this |
| 22:04.15 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:04.17 | tem | I suppose |
| 22:04.23 | cbreak | mutalisk + banelings |
| 22:04.32 | Fisker | but some stealthy and sneaky ice sphere went ahead and bounced our tanks off the platform |
| 22:04.34 | tem | I just get really butthurt when I see zerg lose to terran cheeze |
| 22:04.35 | Fisker | ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu--------- |
| 22:04.40 | amro | tem: I agree that AA is a bitch, but since I've started getting more queenies or really fast lair, hasn't been much of a problem for me |
| 22:06.05 | tem | lol? EG's own commercial just mispronounced I\drA's name |
| 22:06.22 | tem | IdrA* |
| 22:07.30 | Fisker | idra is a horrible person |
| 22:07.35 | Fisker | he's like me, but with glasses |
| 22:08.10 | jnwhiteh | are justice points going to reset at some point? |
| 22:08.17 | tem | I really, really hope so |
| 22:08.27 | Fisker | they aren't |
| 22:08.28 | tem | because I have absolutely no desire to farm up to 4k before cataclysm |
| 22:08.47 | Fisker | you'll get one, maybe 2 blues from it |
| 22:08.58 | tem | still worth it |
| 22:08.59 | Fisker | i don't feel like it's a huge issue |
| 22:09.01 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 22:09.03 | tem | I'm a tank |
| 22:09.05 | Xyphoid | i'd rather farm gold |
| 22:09.08 | tem | having gear is SUPER important |
| 22:09.38 | tem | if I don't gear up quickly enough, my guild misses a raid week |
| 22:09.52 | tem | (and possibly loses a realm first kill which we are loathe to give up) |
| 22:09.59 | amro | tem: as far as I know, they won't be reset. a blue once mentioned that you can save them up for 1-2 cata items |
| 22:10.10 | tem | sigh |
| 22:10.20 | amro | that might have changed though, was a while back |
| 22:10.24 | amro | best to confirm |
| 22:11.25 | Jamash | grr, luabrowser doesn't resize |
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| 22:20.16 | a-stray-cat | hey i remember wowinterface having a place where you could poke around the blizzard ui code, is that still there? |
| 22:20.37 | Computerpunk | a-stray-cat, blizz added their own? |
| 22:20.45 | Computerpunk | itnerface files? |
| 22:20.58 | Computerpunk | or do you mean modifying blizz ui in realtime? |
| 22:21.23 | a-stray-cat | no no just see the code |
| 22:21.50 | a-stray-cat | it was a web interface, and showed things like changes from previous versions |
| 22:21.59 | a-stray-cat | it was kinda like how websvn shows things |
| 22:22.07 | Computerpunk | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 22:22.12 | a-stray-cat | <3 |
| 22:22.13 | Computerpunk | outdated. |
| 22:22.27 | a-stray-cat | i wanted to look at 3.3 anyway haha |
| 22:22.29 | a-stray-cat | thanks a bunch |
| 22:23.49 | Computerpunk | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 this too |
| 22:23.52 | Computerpunk | if you want latest version |
| 22:24.55 | Computerpunk | if you want to compare 3.3.5 to 4.0.1 |
| 22:24.59 | Computerpunk | I suggest the following: |
| 22:25.33 | Computerpunk | checkout on framexml svn if possible |
| 22:25.35 | Computerpunk | and do diffs |
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| 22:37.00 | A-KO | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/849629/81146641.jpg |
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| 22:40.31 | Mirrormn | tem: pong |
| 22:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | is it just me, or are there no tanking weapon discovered so far in cata? |
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| 22:48.43 | Mirrormn | it's just yooooou |
| 22:48.53 | Mirrormn | but me also |
| 22:50.09 | Ackis | bwwaaaaaaaaaaa http://images.4chan.org/gif/src/1288459711875.gif (SFW/everything, it's a cute kitty yawning animated gif :P) |
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| 23:00.33 | tem | Mirrormn, how many people do you think need to spiral for us to quit wasting time raiding pre-cataclysm? |
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| 23:01.27 | Mirrormn | it always enough that you can't raid anything on tuesday |
| 23:01.41 | Mirrormn | at least that's how it's gone in every guild I've been in before |
| 23:02.13 | Mirrormn | once you get a tuesday where there's not enough people to raid anything, it's "aight, we're done till expansion!" |
| 23:03.26 | Ackis | i raided your mom this tuesday |
| 23:04.28 | MentalPower | what's the simplest way to check if an item is BoP/Soulbound or not? |
| 23:05.24 | tem | I'm torn on doing LK againg tonight |
| 23:05.31 | A-KO | MentalPower: that I don't know I tried to look that up the other day |
| 23:05.42 | tem | Mirrormn, I had fun last time we killed him since it felt hard again |
| 23:05.51 | tem | but like |
| 23:05.53 | tem | BLEH |
| 23:05.58 | tem | know what I mean? |
| 23:06.54 | MentalPower | A-KO: well, the 1.x way is to instantiate a tooltip and scan it, but I'd rather avoid that if at all possible |
| 23:07.20 | A-KO | MentalPower: I think the tooltip is the only way to do it currently, but it is really dumb that you can't get that with a function. |
| 23:07.24 | A-KO | It would be nice |
| 23:07.31 | Mirrormn | I'm torn on losing the roll on Invincible 99 to 100 =/ |
| 23:07.49 | tem | oh yeah |
| 23:07.52 | tem | not all of us have that yet |
| 23:07.56 | tem | no wonder some people still care |
| 23:08.01 | tem | >.> |
| 23:08.13 | Mirrormn | rips tem limb from limb with the power of his mind. |
| 23:08.33 | tem | I'd give you mine if I could never raid ICC again |
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| 23:09.08 | Lulia | Man, after all of the problems I've had trying to add new stuff into my AddOn lately, adding Status Bars for mana, etc... was a breeze |
| 23:09.08 | Stanzilla | tem: lk hardmode or normal? :p |
| 23:09.09 | Lulia | lol |
| 23:09.10 | Mirrormn | lool |
| 23:09.36 | Mirrormn | last time I checked, you don't get Invincibles from lk normal =S |
| 23:09.46 | Lulia | The LK is ICC, one of the few fun fights in there and definitely the most fun. |
| 23:10.10 | Lulia | I liked Yogg better than LK though :-/ |
| 23:10.47 | Stanzilla | runnin into clouds, running into defiles |
| 23:10.48 | Stanzilla | all the same |
| 23:11.01 | A-KO | some of the stuff in Cata looks pretty good |
| 23:11.03 | tem | Stanzilla, heroic LK 25 |
| 23:11.21 | Stanzilla | tem: yeah it got boring with the 4.0.1 dps increase |
| 23:11.26 | Stanzilla | ok was boring before, too but yeah :P |
| 23:11.33 | tem | our healers had to relearn the fight |
| 23:11.37 | Stanzilla | our healers had to l2p again |
| 23:11.38 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:11.43 | Ackis | can you pre-load the digital copy of cataclysm w/o having to buy it? |
| 23:11.46 | tem | and I did a little as well since they FUCKED THE SHIT out of DK tanking until cataclysm |
| 23:11.49 | Computerpunk | Ackis, yes. |
| 23:11.54 | Stanzilla | Ackis: yeah, change accountType to CT |
| 23:11.59 | Computerpunk | or |
| 23:12.03 | Computerpunk | sec |
| 23:12.06 | Mirrormn | my dps is less now than it was pre-4.0.1 =/ |
| 23:12.14 | Stanzilla | Mirrormn: class? |
| 23:12.19 | Mirrormn | fire mage |
| 23:12.22 | Computerpunk | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/saydigitalupgrade.aspx |
| 23:12.24 | Computerpunk | install this |
| 23:12.24 | Ackis | Computerpunk: via battle.net? |
| 23:12.26 | tem | cheesing with living bomb was kind of OP |
| 23:12.28 | Stanzilla | how is that possible? :o |
| 23:12.47 | tem | but combustion + impact = sexy |
| 23:12.49 | Stanzilla | impact into ghouls |
| 23:12.53 | Stanzilla | booom |
| 23:13.05 | Mirrormn | fire specialization reduced from 25% to 10% |
| 23:13.22 | Mirrormn | yeah I can hit like 40k dps at the beginning of the fight by by the end I'm like 500 dps less |
| 23:13.27 | Mirrormn | than before 4.0.1 |
| 23:13.32 | amro | http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/Lordbobble/QXC.png |
| 23:13.53 | Computerpunk | Ackis, it's an addon |
| 23:13.59 | Computerpunk | login, exit, it'll launch installing |
| 23:14.24 | Stanzilla | Mirrormn: ~17k dps for our fire mages |
| 23:14.27 | farmbuyer | What was the thing about the digital prepurchase not including cinematics or something? |
| 23:14.27 | Stanzilla | just checked logs |
| 23:14.45 | tem | weren't you seeing upwards of 20k, Mirrormn? |
| 23:14.54 | tem | I know you were pushing 20k tps |
| 23:14.57 | tem | and pissing me the fuck off |
| 23:14.58 | Mirrormn | overall? no |
| 23:15.19 | Mirrormn | during a good combustion I do like 35k+ tps single target... |
| 23:15.26 | Stanzilla | as a tank I would hate warriors atm |
| 23:15.38 | tem | I haven't had trouble |
| 23:15.53 | tem | it's the mages and boomkins riding my ass |
| 23:15.55 | Stanzilla | I play fury warrior in our alt raid |
| 23:16.03 | Stanzilla | and the paladin tank there hates me |
| 23:16.08 | Stanzilla | and I die allllll the time :( |
| 23:16.16 | tem | that's amusing. |
| 23:16.22 | tem | paladins have the strongest threat right now |
| 23:16.31 | Stanzilla | yeah he sucks |
| 23:16.39 | Stanzilla | but blames me and my shadowmourne :( |
| 23:16.56 | tem | the fact that your alt has a shadowmourne boils my blood |
| 23:17.13 | tem | I hope they never again make a legendary that easy to get |
| 23:17.20 | Stanzilla | same :p |
| 23:17.25 | Mirrormn | they will, guaranteed |
| 23:17.32 | Mirrormn | GUARANTEED |
| 23:17.37 | Stanzilla | 100% |
| 23:17.43 | Mirrormn | 132% |
| 23:17.44 | tem | why you gotta pee in my cherios? |
| 23:17.53 | Mirrormn | chairios |
| 23:17.59 | Mirrormn | or cher-ios? |
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| 23:19.11 | tem | did you catch when the HuK v IdrA match would be? |
| 23:19.20 | Stanzilla | even the biggest scrub on my server has shadowmourne |
| 23:20.32 | A-KO | Is it just me or is "The Shattering" boring? |
| 23:22.14 | tem | A-KO, the book? |
| 23:22.22 | A-KO | yes |
| 23:22.39 | Kraps | spoilers!!!!!1111 |
| 23:22.41 | A-KO | I mean, it sets up some of the pieces in the lore |
| 23:22.47 | A-KO | but god it's just so uneventful |
| 23:23.12 | A-KO | Considering we already know the lore of Cataclysm, generally speaking |
| 23:23.28 | A-KO | so far it doesn't seem there's not much new other than some stuff surrounding Anduin Wrynn |
| 23:26.34 | Kraps | A-KO: erm, arthas didnt have anything "new" either but it was an awesome read |
| 23:26.45 | A-KO | yeah I dunno, I'm about 7 chapters in |
| 23:26.58 | A-KO | and I mean....it's all the stuff we already know mostly.... |
| 23:27.01 | A-KO | that I can read |
| 23:27.05 | A-KO | maybe more soon enough |
| 23:27.09 | A-KO | I'm hoping it builds on Garrosh a bit |
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| 23:30.33 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/10/31/know-your-lore-the-peculiar-tale-of-the-headless-horseman/ |
| 23:30.50 | Lulia | Anyone here have the link to the page WoW gives to ping in order to test connection issues? |
| 23:34.30 | Jamash | so I'm trying to wrap a table in another table, with a metatable to trap all assignments and table accesses (for debug logging purposes) |
| 23:34.51 | Jamash | but this screws with the behavior of next() |
| 23:35.41 | Jamash | so I'm wondering if there's anyway to do what I'm trying to do in a seamless fashion |
| 23:38.13 | Iriel | Dont use next directly? or if this outside of wow, hook next |
| 23:38.21 | Jamash | inside wow |
| 23:39.59 | Jamash | it's not vital, but the way I'm doing it means I can't use /dump or LuaBrowser to inspect the contents of the table |
| 23:54.24 | Lulia | So, anyone that's logged on right now know of a way to force a frame to redraw itself? I'm having issues with my "reset" button for layouts in my AddOn. It properly sets position and size, however it often doesn't reflect the changes until after a reload. |
| 23:56.00 | Humbedooh | then you're doing something wrong :\ |
| 23:56.16 | Lulia | I can post the function if you want to see it. |
| 23:56.19 | Humbedooh | sure |
| 23:56.54 | Humbedooh | brb~ |
| 23:57.15 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2765/ |
| 23:57.56 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2765/ |
| 23:58.09 | Lulia | Fixed a quick little error in it that was due to a rewrite I just did |
| 23:58.18 | Lulia | Making room to add another frame to the reset button |
