| 00:00.44 | kneeki | I should have known that trying to install Windows 7 dual boot on the receptionist PC was going to take longer than 30 minutes thanks to hardware/driver failure after install.... Now I get to hang out with you all! |
| 00:02.42 | Cide | sweet |
| 00:02.42 | Lulia | Closures are interesting |
| 00:02.43 | Cide | we missed you |
| 00:02.46 | Amarande | Demons have possessed your receptionist's PC. The only cure is to approve the purchase of a new PC for her. |
| 00:03.20 | Mirrormn | the only cure it to sacrifice it to the Altar of Fire while you chant the Chant of Cleansing |
| 00:03.21 | kneeki | Didn't need demons to fail. She's running an HP factory built w/ Vista Home Prem. |
| 00:03.22 | Mirrormn | *is |
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| 00:11.58 | A-KO | I must admit |
| 00:12.07 | A-KO | "The Shattering" isn't anywhere near as exciting as Stormrage |
| 00:12.12 | A-KO | or even Night of the Dragon |
| 00:12.15 | Napoleone | anyone seen the new SP? |
| 00:12.20 | A-KO | SP? |
| 00:12.23 | Cide | spell power |
| 00:12.25 | Cide | single player |
| 00:12.28 | Cide | single play |
| 00:12.38 | Cide | super power |
| 00:12.40 | Cide | scott pilgrim |
| 00:12.47 | Mirrormn | sup, people |
| 00:12.49 | Cide | super play |
| 00:12.52 | Napoleone | south park |
| 00:12.59 | Cide | souther park |
| 00:13.04 | Cide | southern park |
| 00:13.05 | A-KO | yes |
| 00:13.06 | A-KO | coon 2 |
| 00:13.07 | Mirrormn | salutative parents |
| 00:13.09 | A-KO | it's alright |
| 00:13.11 | A-KO | not their greates |
| 00:13.12 | A-KO | t |
| 00:13.14 | A-KO | but still funny |
| 00:13.15 | Napoleone | BP to DP |
| 00:13.25 | Napoleone | deep penetration ;P |
| 00:13.34 | Napoleone | I'm sorry!! ;P |
| 00:13.36 | Cide | steep penetration |
| 00:13.37 | Mirrormn | ... double penetration |
| 00:14.10 | Cide | sexy pushups |
| 00:14.21 | Cide | did we get it yet? |
| 00:14.21 | Mirrormn | >.> |
| 00:14.39 | Mirrormn | salty penguinmeat |
| 00:14.49 | Cide | don't you dare kill the penguins |
| 00:14.51 | the-golem | silly putty |
| 00:14.57 | the-golem | ^.^ |
| 00:15.09 | Mirrormn | sound pressure |
| 00:15.23 | Lunessa | Sock Puppet |
| 00:15.35 | the-golem | salt pepper? |
| 00:15.55 | Cide | shitty pulseaudio |
| 00:15.59 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 00:16.02 | Amarande | SP? Suppressive Person? :) |
| 00:16.36 | Cide | how do you manage to think of suppressive before sexy |
| 00:16.43 | Cide | also |
| 00:16.44 | Cide | sexually pleasing |
| 00:16.45 | Mirrormn | sexy was already used |
| 00:16.48 | Mirrormn | invalid! |
| 00:17.06 | Mirrormn | supportive pantyhose |
| 00:17.20 | Lunessa | severely punished? |
| 00:17.30 | Mirrormn | sickening pun |
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| 00:18.02 | Cide | sexual predator |
| 00:18.06 | Cide | support predators |
| 00:18.07 | Lunessa | Savage Penetration? |
| 00:18.16 | the-golem | sadly putrefied |
| 00:18.37 | Cide | superbly purified |
| 00:18.39 | Lunessa | solidly pissed |
| 00:18.40 | the-golem | also, sour putrefaction |
| 00:18.48 | Mirrormn | shut uPeveryone |
| 00:18.54 | Cide | fail |
| 00:18.54 | Mirrormn | =/ |
| 00:18.56 | Cide | you lost the game |
| 00:19.02 | Mirrormn | daang |
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| 00:20.44 | Lunessa | turns Cide into a slightly more sarcastic version of Rod Serling. |
| 00:21.04 | Cide | why thank you |
| 00:21.16 | slashcackle | Lunessa: thats not possible is it? |
| 00:21.32 | Cide | do more think less |
| 00:21.44 | Cide | and he just did it |
| 00:21.47 | Lunessa | Well, he'd have to be taller, and smoke more, and not be blonde. |
| 00:21.53 | Cide | so obviously it's possible |
| 00:21.57 | Lunessa | All within my power. |
| 00:22.39 | mikma | oh, can i join cide-game |
| 00:22.47 | mikma | Shaved Armpits |
| 00:22.48 | Cide | no. |
| 00:22.56 | Mirrormn | not with that entry =/ |
| 00:22.58 | Cide | you fail on your first try |
| 00:23.21 | A-KO | Anyone in here have AT&T DSL? |
| 00:23.55 | Baps | try turning off hardware cursor? |
| 00:23.57 | Baps | www |
| 00:24.34 | Napoleone | is there a way to CLEAR a scrolling message window? |
| 00:24.39 | slashcackle | A-KO: yes |
| 00:24.43 | Cide | yes |
| 00:24.47 | Cide | and I invite you to look up how yourself |
| 00:25.02 | Napoleone | will take forever ;P |
| 00:25.04 | Mirrormn | I was about to tell you how |
| 00:25.10 | Mirrormn | but then Cide will kill me |
| 00:25.12 | Cide | yes I will |
| 00:25.45 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 00:25.55 | Mirrormn | so I just opened like 20 tabs in chrome |
| 00:26.08 | Mirrormn | and then a couple seconds after I was done, one of them started playing an advertisement |
| 00:26.12 | Mirrormn | and I can't find it :( |
| 00:26.31 | Cide | binary search |
| 00:26.41 | Cide | kill half of them |
| 00:26.47 | Cide | if it's gone, you're done |
| 00:26.51 | Cide | otherwise, kill the other half |
| 00:26.52 | Cide | and you're done |
| 00:26.56 | Mirrormn | but then they won't be open anymore :( |
| 00:27.02 | Cide | who cares? |
| 00:27.06 | Seerah | Can you reload all tabs? |
| 00:27.06 | Cide | I solve issues, not crybabies |
| 00:27.07 | amro | that's what you get for opening 20 tabs |
| 00:27.21 | Napoleone | got it |
| 00:27.26 | Mirrormn | I can just mute my sound |
| 00:27.27 | Cide | what was it? |
| 00:27.31 | TC | A-KO: did you need something? |
| 00:27.40 | Cide | he needed some SP |
| 00:27.42 | Cide | we gave it to him |
| 00:27.48 | Mirrormn | don't tell Cide, he's just trying to feed off your knowledge! |
| 00:27.54 | TC | though i am switching uverse |
| 00:28.02 | Cide | uh huh Mirrormn |
| 00:28.07 | Mirrormn | he's an IRC knowledge vampire |
| 00:28.09 | Cide | I wrote that stuff up myself |
| 00:28.13 | Cide | I don't need your petty help |
| 00:28.33 | Mirrormn | that's exactly what a knowledge vampire *would* say |
| 00:28.37 | amro | wow, those were pretty bad |
| 00:29.07 | TC | Mirrormn: stop feeding the Cide |
| 00:29.37 | Mirrormn | I'm just giving him inane tomfoolery, not actual knowledge, that cannot slate his hunger |
| 00:31.42 | foxlit | hm, tomfoolery |
| 00:31.51 | amro | tomfoolery, first time I see that word on IRC |
| 00:32.01 | foxlit | I wonder if that's still in common use. |
| 00:32.03 | foxlit | somewhere. |
| 00:32.14 | amro | butlers probably still use it |
| 00:32.33 | Mirrormn | I use the word "tomfoolery" every day :< |
| 00:33.06 | Lulia | Alright, so if I make a timer value = to a function which creates a frame that fires onupdate, I can have a separate timer for each rune. |
| 00:33.28 | Lulia | Does that sound more-or-less in the right direction? |
| 00:35.10 | Cide | I'm not sure what that means |
| 00:35.28 | Lulia | Hmm, well I guess I'll try it out and see what happens :P |
| 00:38.04 | Seerah | Do you really want 6 OnUpdates working all at once? |
| 00:38.30 | Lulia | Well, it's the best I could come up with with my current understanding :-/ |
| 00:38.55 | Cide | it's not really different from one onupdate with a for loop over 6 frames |
| 00:39.01 | Cide | probably a bit more overhead |
| 00:39.04 | Cide | but not a lot |
| 00:40.07 | Lulia | I'm not even certain it will work, I might still be missing something in understanding. But we'll see how it goes, gotta try and fail and read again to learn. :P |
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| 00:46.30 | Amarande | yay I'm the only melee DPS again |
| 00:51.07 | Napoleone | can i clear a table by doing a PPUI = {} |
| 00:51.11 | Cide | no |
| 00:51.22 | Napoleone | dam easy solution out ;) |
| 00:51.24 | Cide | you overwrite the variable to point to another table |
| 00:52.00 | Napoleone | so it creates a new table# every time you initialize it? |
| 00:52.14 | Cide | eveyr time you type {}, yes |
| 00:52.42 | Cide | every |
| 00:55.00 | Lulia | omg |
| 00:55.03 | Lulia | It's working!!!! |
| 00:55.05 | Lulia | I got it to work |
| 00:55.41 | Cide | nice :) |
| 00:56.08 | Lulia | :D |
| 00:56.52 | Lulia | This is awesome. |
| 00:56.55 | Napoleone | ;) |
| 00:56.59 | Napoleone | untill next patch |
| 00:57.03 | Lulia | It feels so much better knowing I had to learn so much to do it. |
| 00:57.14 | Napoleone | ye ;) same feeling here ;P |
| 00:57.18 | Lulia | Now to clean out all the commented code |
| 00:57.29 | Lulia | oh, would you guys like to see my solution? |
| 00:57.45 | Cide | sure |
| 00:57.50 | Cide | so I can pick on you |
| 00:57.53 | Lulia | :P |
| 00:58.12 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2745/ |
| 00:58.37 | Lulia | Oh shoot |
| 00:59.16 | Lulia | There's a slight issue withChangePowDK, not sure why it didn't throw an error, but it's unrrelated to the other stuff working |
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| 01:00.09 | Lulia | the else if on line 49 is being taken out |
| 01:00.15 | Lulia | Because that's not supposed to be there |
| 01:02.20 | Lulia | I actually updated it with the fix: http://paste.wowace.com/2745/ |
| 01:02.27 | Lulia | Not sure if you guys are looking or caring. |
| 01:02.42 | Cide | kinda looking but in an instance |
| 01:03.50 | Lulia | It's cool, it was just to share with you since I've been stressing about it all night and figured it out. |
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| 01:04.10 | Lulia | Hmm, I forgot to put a condition in which sets the CD to zero if the rune ends up ready, which can happen with Runic Empowerment |
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| 01:09.09 | Hirsute | Think I put a little too much garlic on this spaghetti. |
| 01:09.22 | Cide | don't think that's doable |
| 01:09.32 | Hirsute | Good think I won't be kissing anyone tonight, or, likely even talking to anyone for the rest of the night. |
| 01:09.38 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2745/ |
| 01:09.53 | Lulia | That should be the final edit, barring comments from the gurus that put me to shame. |
| 01:10.14 | Cide | your code smells of garlic |
| 01:10.41 | Lulia | Aww |
| 01:10.50 | Hirsute | So, my wife and I are on opposite ends of the country right now (I'm in school while she's visiting family). She's sick, and texted me about it. I just texted back, "I'm sorry you're sick," or I meant to. Predictive text on my phone's soft-keyboard changed it to "I'm sorry you're dick." |
| 01:10.52 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 01:11.26 | Cide | reminds me of when I texted my friend that valve released alien swarm for free |
| 01:11.29 | foxlit | Those things go by the relative frequency of you typing those words |
| 01:11.31 | Lulia | lol |
| 01:11.38 | foxlit | My point is, quit texting people about your dick. |
| 01:11.41 | Cide | but it became "asian swarm now for free!" |
| 01:12.05 | Hirsute | foxlit: Heh. Relatively new phone, so it seems this is actually the pre-weighted preference. |
| 01:12.17 | Hirsute | Swype needs to stop expecting people to be texting other's about their dicks. |
| 01:12.22 | Cide | in my defense foxlit, swype was brand new on my phone at the time |
| 01:12.34 | Hirsute | Cide: Win! |
| 01:12.49 | Cide | see, common issue |
| 01:13.02 | Cide | swype worms much better in english than swedish sadly |
| 01:13.17 | Cide | works too |
| 01:13.28 | Cide | ^ not typing with swype atm |
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| 01:23.32 | bleeter | lulz http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27508580928&sid=1 |
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| 01:25.15 | Hirsute | ... |
| 01:25.23 | Hirsute | "Shield Block will be reduced to +25% block chance (down from +100%)" I'm not amused. |
| 01:25.53 | Dagmar | bleeter: Stupid botters |
| 01:26.37 | nevcairiel | you should read the changes as a whole |
| 01:26.54 | Dagmar | bleeter: LAter on in that thread I like it where Negalistis basically encourages them to mess with the botters. :) |
| 01:27.38 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: I did. And it's possible I'll be a bigger fan of them when I've played at 85, but as a whole, the upcoming warrior tanking changes do not make me happy. |
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| 01:27.53 | adys_ | Cide, i thought you were pointlessly arguing to get people on skype to play worms again |
| 01:28.00 | Cide | I should |
| 01:28.21 | Cide | that said |
| 01:28.26 | Cide | skype doesn't work very well on linux |
| 01:28.37 | Cide | having some issues with messages not being sent |
| 01:28.56 | Dagmar | bleeter: Speaking of which, lemme see if there's any of that going on on my server. :) |
| 01:30.02 | bleeter | Dagmar: hah yeah, 2/3 of the ones I checked had it going on in moonglade |
| 01:30.49 | bleeter | Dagmar: 10/10 for them for invention, tho ;) |
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| 01:33.05 | Cide | that's pretty smart actually |
| 01:34.51 | Dagmar | It also explains a few things about the banner ads |
| 01:35.27 | Dagmar | Yes, I basically prey on goldfarmers |
| 01:35.49 | Dagmar | I stalk 'em, and then I screw with 'em, and the only limiting factor is that there's no money in it for me |
| 01:37.59 | Dagmar | Looks like we have a couple level 1 preists in moonglade. |
| 01:38.03 | Dagmar | TIM PHOR KILZORIN |
| 01:38.15 | bleeter | hehehe enjoy :) |
| 01:40.52 | Hirsute | I love that that thread has created a cadre of people hunting level one toons flagged for PvP in a graveyard. |
| 01:41.18 | bleeter | that is also win, indeed |
| 01:41.46 | Lulia | UnitClass("Player") is ALWAYS available to Lua? |
| 01:41.52 | Lulia | As soon as the player hits login? |
| 01:41.56 | Iriel | i think so |
| 01:42.03 | Cide | I believe so, was long since I looked |
| 01:42.15 | Lulia | Alright, thanks. |
| 01:42.16 | Cide | but I think that's part of the very limited subset of information available at addon load |
| 01:42.40 | Lulia | I figure I can use it to specify class-specific options that are saved by my addon |
| 01:42.45 | alestane | Class would presumably have been passed down already since the character select screen new about it. |
| 01:42.47 | alestane | knew* |
| 01:42.53 | adys_ | if it's available on glue screen, its likely avail on addonload |
| 01:42.57 | Lulia | No need to have every classes' options saved if I can discriminate. |
| 01:43.44 | adys_ | server, class, race, location, (some) friendslist data, level, etc |
| 01:44.07 | Morwrath | Anyone know how I can get hooksecurefunc() to work correctly when trying to hook to a guild window function (eg, ToggleGuildFrame())? As of right now, trying to perform the action before the guild window was manually opened (i.e. pressing the J key), it returns errors. Also this coordinates with trying to use GuildFrame:HookScript() before the guild frame was manually opened by the user |
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| 01:44.51 | Morwrath | but I'm looking for a way to iniate my function once the guild window has been opened. |
| 01:53.03 | adys_ | jnwhiteh, ping |
| 01:53.13 | adys_ | or Iriel |
| 01:53.21 | adys_ | what would you recommend for lua test suites? |
| 01:53.25 | adys_ | (non-wow) |
| 01:53.47 | Cide | I just googled LuaUnit |
| 01:53.54 | Cide | unsurprisingly it exists |
| 01:54.41 | Shirik | adysowned |
| 01:54.46 | adys_ | yeha im reading http://lua-users.org/wiki/UnitTesting already |
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| 01:54.53 | adys_ | but theres a lot of choices |
| 01:55.09 | Cide | Cide's Conjecture: For every language worth caring about there exists a library named <Language>Unit |
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| 01:55.39 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 01:55.42 | adys_ | shirik just googled pythonunit |
| 01:55.49 | Cide | just checked: luaunit, cppunit, cunit, pyunit |
| 01:56.06 | foxlit | "Any language for which there exists a library named <Language>Unit is not ideal." |
| 01:56.16 | adys_ | Get CSharpUnit at SourceForge.net. Fast, secure and free downloads from the largest Open Source applications and software directory. |
| 01:56.20 | adys_ | LIAR Cide |
| 01:56.27 | Cide | hm? |
| 01:56.37 | adys_ | you said it was only for languages worth caring about |
| 01:56.46 | Mirrormn | logical fallacy |
| 01:56.59 | Cide | it was an implication, not an equivalence :) |
| 01:57.00 | foxlit | "For every" =/=> "only" |
| 01:57.18 | Mirrormn | for all x there exists y != for all not x there does not exist y |
| 01:57.28 | adys_ | hump hump, stop ruining my jokes |
| 01:57.28 | Arrowmaster | i cant find a BasicUnit |
| 01:57.36 | Mirrormn | herp derp |
| 01:57.39 | brandonjviles | vbunit |
| 01:57.41 | Shirik | adys |
| 01:57.47 | Cide | that means basic is not worth caring about |
| 01:57.47 | Shirik | python has a built-in unit testing framework |
| 01:57.49 | Shirik | I already use it |
| 01:57.54 | adys_ | i cant find asm86unit so |
| 01:58.08 | adys_ | i know shirik |
| 01:58.19 | adys_ | just teasing you with smoldering iron |
| 01:59.04 | Cide | adys_: it's under planning though |
| 01:59.15 | Cide | http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-49640620100625 |
| 01:59.52 | adys_ | you make sense, old padawan |
| 02:00.28 | Cide | thank you |
| 02:00.40 | Cide | get a chance to try bloodline champions yet shirik? |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | no :( |
| 02:00.46 | Cide | also I have two more invites |
| 02:00.53 | Cide | if anyone wants |
| 02:02.02 | Iriel | how is it? |
| 02:02.14 | Cide | I haven't tried it a lot |
| 02:02.18 | Hirsute | A+B: Any language that is worth caring about is not ideal. |
| 02:02.21 | Cide | but concept-wise it's a lot like diablo 3's pvp arena |
| 02:02.30 | Cide | with a larger focus on skill and balance |
| 02:02.48 | Iriel | i wasnt a big fan of that |
| 02:02.49 | Cide | all the skills are aimed either relative to you or to the ground |
| 02:03.07 | Cide | so it requires a good bit of aim |
| 02:04.06 | Cide | but if you like pvp it's pretty fun |
| 02:04.15 | Cide | not for everyone though |
| 02:05.03 | Lulia | So... |
| 02:05.46 | foxlit | Hirsute: and C: "Any language that is not ideal is not worth caring about" |
| 02:06.46 | Hirsute | Foxlit: Ah, that's doesn't follow from those before, it would have to be, "Any language that *is* ideal is not worth caring about." |
| 02:07.14 | Napoleone | one question cant seem to find it |
| 02:07.35 | Napoleone | when I'm masterlooter.. i can set the quality for looting. |
| 02:07.44 | Napoleone | uncommin, rare, epic |
| 02:07.56 | foxlit | Hirsute: can has conclusion, though? :) |
| 02:07.58 | Napoleone | how can i return that? |
| 02:08.18 | Cide | you check for the proper api function in the source code for instance |
| 02:08.30 | Hirsute | :) |
| 02:08.57 | foxlit | My napkin-logic says it should be "No language is worth caring about", but it's 4am |
| 02:09.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=393718318&oldid=389938581 :( |
| 02:11.16 | Cide | ouch |
| 02:11.21 | Hirsute | Shirik: Bwa-ahahah! |
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| 02:11.25 | Cide | austin dislikes you |
| 02:12.01 | bleeter | Shirik: where's the Vote Up on that? |
| 02:12.06 | Shirik | ._. |
| 02:12.24 | Hirsute | foxlit: Ah, I see what you were saying. right. A+B+C = "Any langauge that is worth caring about is not worth caring about" |
| 02:12.48 | Mirrormn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Austin1701 |
| 02:12.54 | foxlit | Hirsute: That seems wrong. |
| 02:13.16 | Mirrormn | that seems like a self-contradictory statement to me |
| 02:13.31 | foxlit | I think Cide listed a necessary but not sufficient condition, while you're taking it to be sufficient. |
| 02:13.31 | Lulia | Now here's an odd thing... |
| 02:13.57 | foxlit | The statement was (no Unit) => (not worth caring) :) |
| 02:14.08 | Lulia | When I log-in, I only see 4 runes, and it's 1 rune of each time (including Death) but a /reload fixes it. This would lead me to believe that the player doesn't get all of their rune info at PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 02:14.59 | Cide | seems like a reasonable conclusion |
| 02:15.11 | Lulia | Not sure why they don't though. |
| 02:15.13 | Napoleone | all i can find in the source is ITEM_QUALITY2_DESC... but that doesnt get the current active |
| 02:15.35 | Lulia | I had to make a lot of adjustments to my script when I added Eclipse bars because we dont get spec info until PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 02:15.56 | Lulia | But every DK has Runes. So it's sort of odd that we don't get rune info until... later? |
| 02:16.10 | Cide | it's just the way it's done |
| 02:16.18 | Cide | they were meant to be changeable before |
| 02:16.25 | Mirrormn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.32 | Mirrormn | used to be able to customize which runes you had |
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| 02:16.44 | Mirrormn | that was a weird weird system |
| 02:16.48 | Hirsute | foxlit: For every language worth caring about, there exists blah. + Any language with blah is not ideal = Any language worth caring about is not ideal. Any language worth caring about is not ideal + Any language that is not ideal is not worth caring about = Any language worth caring about is not worth caring about. |
| 02:17.42 | Lulia | Heh |
| 02:17.50 | Lulia | Do you guys know when they become available? |
| 02:18.08 | Cide | not very difficult to check |
| 02:18.23 | Lulia | Honestly, no one has explained how they know what happens in what events yet. |
| 02:18.26 | Lulia | How would I check? |
| 02:18.27 | Cide | register for all events and print all events when the api returns properly |
| 02:18.31 | Cide | and log in |
| 02:18.34 | Lulia | Alright |
| 02:19.12 | Mirrormn | personally I use "RUNE_POWER_UPDATE" and "RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE" |
| 02:19.20 | foxlit | Hirsute: = "Every language worth caring about is not worth caring about" = "No language is worth caring about" |
| 02:19.22 | Lulia | Thanks, Cide |
| 02:19.25 | foxlit | no contradiction <3 |
| 02:20.04 | Cide | actually |
| 02:20.12 | Cide | those aren't equivalent |
| 02:20.15 | Hirsute | foxlit: That conclusion doesn't follow. |
| 02:20.34 | Cide | but you can get rid of the contradiction by positing that no languages are worth caring about |
| 02:20.43 | Cide | (effectively, not logically) |
| 02:20.45 | Hirsute | Anyone seen those Nutrisystem ads with the female medical student on them? |
| 02:21.01 | foxlit | Um, if the first statement is true, the second has to be true. |
| 02:21.04 | Mirrormn | that's an acceptable logical conclusion, iirc |
| 02:21.13 | foxlit | I don't see how that is anything but a logical consequence. |
| 02:21.24 | Mirrormn | every world in which there is a language worth caring about contains a contradiction |
| 02:21.32 | Cide | but you can deduce anything from a contradiction |
| 02:21.39 | Hirsute | foxlit: No, because the first statement is contradictory. It cannot be "true" |
| 02:21.40 | Mirrormn | thus, the only worlds which can be true are ones in which there are no languages worth caring about |
| 02:21.50 | Cide | for every language that is worth caring about it isn't worth caring about, so therefore the sun is blue |
| 02:21.54 | foxlit | Hirsute: no, the first statement is *quantified* |
| 02:22.10 | Mirrormn | that doesn't follow |
| 02:22.15 | Cide | what doesn't follow? |
| 02:22.20 | Mirrormn | the sun is blue |
| 02:22.22 | Hirsute | foxlit: Perhaps we're referring to different first statements. |
| 02:22.23 | Cide | yes it does |
| 02:22.27 | Cide | since you deduced a contradiction |
| 02:22.41 | Cide | for every language worth caring about the sun is blue |
| 02:23.03 | Hirsute | "Any language worth caring about is not worth caring about" is self-contradictory. |
| 02:23.12 | Cide | which is fine |
| 02:23.18 | foxlit | No, it's not |
| 02:23.28 | foxlit | "A language worth caring about is not worth caring about" is self-contradictory |
| 02:23.34 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure that it is *actuall* a contradiction |
| 02:23.39 | Mirrormn | it's just phrased oddly |
| 02:23.54 | Hirsute | foxlit: yes, it is. It's just like saying "Anything that is blue is not blue" |
| 02:24.00 | Cide | foxlit: logic doesn't care whether there are any such language or not though |
| 02:24.27 | foxlit | Only if you choose to view it separately |
| 02:24.35 | foxlit | Hirsute: "All my blue desks aren't blue" |
| 02:24.41 | foxlit | contradictory statement? |
| 02:24.43 | Cide | logic must be upheld regardless of the set of facts |
| 02:24.51 | Hirsute | foxlit: yes |
| 02:24.54 | foxlit | that'd be *validity* |
| 02:24.59 | Mirrormn | I guess it actually depends what system of logic you are using, actually |
| 02:25.01 | Cide | however when you introduce specific facts you may deduce specific things |
| 02:25.07 | Hirsute | because you *define* them as blue, then state they are not as you defined them. |
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| 02:25.23 | foxlit | [oh, hey, 4am.] |
| 02:25.24 | awweaver | Hello, how is everyone? |
| 02:25.33 | Cide | if you introduce no languages that are worth caring about then that's equivalent to no languages are worth caring about obviously |
| 02:25.55 | Cide | if you introduce such a language however you may deduce anything |
| 02:25.58 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 02:26.03 | Hirsute | lua> local a = "blue" return a ~= "blue" end |
| 02:26.03 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 02:26.03 | foxlit | So, here's the distinction: |
| 02:26.08 | awweaver | *SCRATCHES HEAD* |
| 02:26.12 | Hirsute | lua> local a = "blue" return a ~= "blue" |
| 02:26.12 | lua_bot | Hirsute: false |
| 02:26.16 | Hirsute | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:26.16 | foxlit | valid statements are true regardless of what world you're in |
| 02:26.23 | foxlit | satisfiable statements may be valid in some world |
| 02:26.30 | foxlit | contradictory statements are valid in no world |
| 02:26.36 | Cide | yes |
| 02:26.42 | Cide | it's definitely not a contradictory statement |
| 02:26.50 | Mirrormn | it's invalid |
| 02:27.01 | Cide | depends on the facts |
| 02:27.04 | foxlit | Let's call it satisfiable and get this over with :) |
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| 02:27.16 | Hirsute | Which statement are we calling satisfiable? |
| 02:27.17 | Cide | yep |
| 02:27.31 | Cide | foxlit's statement |
| 02:27.35 | foxlit | "All languages worth caring about are not worth caring about" |
| 02:27.45 | Amarande | and the Lich King bites the dust once more |
| 02:27.47 | Hirsute | This is contradictory. It can *never* be true. |
| 02:27.52 | Amarande | but there must always be a Lich King, so the raid will reset next week |
| 02:27.55 | Cide | Hirsute: wrong |
| 02:27.58 | foxlit | equivalently, "Every language worth caring about is not worth caring about" |
| 02:28.08 | Cide | logic deals with contradictions all the time |
| 02:28.17 | Mirrormn | for all x, WorthCaringAbout(x) implies not WorthCaringAbout(x) |
| 02:28.25 | Hirsute | Cide: Again, it cannot be true, because you define something then state it is not as you defined it. |
| 02:28.33 | Cide | Hirsute: that assumes that something exists |
| 02:28.50 | Cide | if something doesn't exist in the first place you're home safe and can deduce that no such languages exist |
| 02:29.11 | Cide | if such a language exists you do have a contradiction and you can deduce anything you want |
| 02:29.53 | Cide | the *statement* is still true |
| 02:29.58 | Cide | logic only deals with the semantics, not the meaning |
| 02:30.18 | Hirsute | "Any language worth caring about is not worth caring about" can never evaluate to true. |
| 02:30.27 | Cide | you can't evaluate a sentence |
| 02:30.27 | foxlit | (and the implication -- "every ... worth caring about" => "no language is worth caring about" is VALID :P ) |
| 02:30.58 | Cide | foxlit: not sure I agree |
| 02:31.00 | Mirrormn | I'm gonna have to agree |
| 02:31.01 | Hirsute | Cide: Yes, you can. As a matter of fact, you *must* |
| 02:31.03 | Napoleone | where shall i look if i want a itemlink in chat to actually work |
| 02:31.10 | Cide | Hirsute: no |
| 02:31.15 | Cide | it's only valid or invalid |
| 02:31.17 | foxlit | Cide: if the premise is false, I'm not saying anything |
| 02:31.18 | Cide | in this case it's valid |
| 02:31.30 | foxlit | And the only way the premise can be true is if the conclusion holds :) |
| 02:31.51 | Hirsute | Cide: are we going by the definition of valid given earlier here? That something that is valid is true in all worlds? |
| 02:32.08 | Cide | foxlit: does "for every x" require there to be at least one x? |
| 02:32.16 | foxlit | Cide: no. |
| 02:32.24 | Cide | then your conclusion is not valid I think |
| 02:32.34 | Mirrormn | "for all x, (worthcaringabout(x) => not worthcaringabout(x))" converts to "for all x, (not worthcaringabout(x) or not worthcaringabout(x))" which simplifies to "for all x, not worthcaringabout(x)" |
| 02:33.00 | Mirrormn | that seems right and yet really wrong somehow |
| 02:33.22 | Mirrormn | yet definitely right |
| 02:33.34 | Hirsute | "Anything that is an apple is not an apple" |
| 02:33.56 | Mirrormn | therefore, nothing is an apple |
| 02:34.10 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 02:34.15 | foxlit | In a world filled only with oranges, there's nothing wrong with that statement. |
| 02:34.18 | Cide | if for all x we have P(x) and !P(x) then you may deduce anything |
| 02:34.38 | Cide | your conclusion is only valid if there are no x's |
| 02:34.43 | Mirrormn | but it's not an and, it's an implication |
| 02:34.51 | Cide | ... |
| 02:34.53 | Hirsute | foxlit: As we stated earlier, however, something is "valid" only if it is true in *all* worlds. And at least one world has apples. |
| 02:35.07 | Mirrormn | it's not "all languages are worth caring and no languages are worth caring about" |
| 02:35.09 | Hirsute | So the statement is not valid |
| 02:35.15 | Cide | I skipped a step |
| 02:35.32 | Cide | if Q is the set of objects worth caring about |
| 02:35.34 | foxlit | Hirsute: however, that statement is satisfiable, which is all I'm claiming about that statement. |
| 02:35.46 | Mirrormn | "a implies b" converts to "(not a) or (b)" |
| 02:35.57 | Dagmar | Killing these bots is actually pretty fun. Run up, Seed of Corruption the hunter's pet, run off, LOL |
| 02:36.01 | Cide | for every x in Q we have P(x) and !P(x) |
| 02:36.14 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 02:36.16 | Dagmar | I queue for HH, they think I've gone, start up again... Rinse repeat |
| 02:36.22 | Mirrormn | so there cannot be any elements in Q |
| 02:36.27 | Cide | yes there can |
| 02:36.36 | Cide | we get a contradiction |
| 02:36.40 | Mirrormn | well, I mean |
| 02:36.42 | Cide | for every element in Q |
| 02:36.53 | Mirrormn | if you assert that there is an element in Q, then you get a contradiction |
| 02:36.56 | Cide | and thus we can deduce Z(x) for every x in Q |
| 02:37.05 | Cide | yes... |
| 02:37.05 | Hirsute | "Any element in Q is not an element in Q" is essentially what we said earlier. |
| 02:37.08 | Cide | but that's perfectly valid |
| 02:37.25 | Mirrormn | but I don't think the original phrasing actually does imply that there must be some element in Q |
| 02:37.30 | Cide | it doesn't |
| 02:37.33 | foxlit | So, um, inferring things from contradictions isn't nice. |
| 02:37.35 | Cide | but it doesn't imply that it's empty either |
| 02:37.44 | Cide | hence you cannot conclude that it's empty |
| 02:37.45 | foxlit | And I don't think I did that. :) |
| 02:37.51 | Mirrormn | yes it does, because if it wasn't, there would be a contradiction |
| 02:38.03 | Cide | and contradictions are fine |
| 02:38.24 | Mirrormn | contradictions are not fine -.- |
| 02:38.38 | Cide | sure they are |
| 02:38.50 | Hirsute | If there is no element in Q, then "Any element in Q is not an element in Q" cannot be applied, because the statement describes *only* elements in Q. |
| 02:38.58 | Mirrormn | isn't the whole point of logic that when you reach a contradiction, you know you're wrong |
| 02:39.06 | Cide | kind of |
| 02:39.17 | Cide | if you assume x and reach a contradiction you can infer !x |
| 02:40.02 | Mirrormn | well |
| 02:40.10 | Cide | if you reach a conclusion in general you may infer anything within that scope |
| 02:40.16 | Mirrormn | it seemed to work out for me when I used predicate logic |
| 02:40.26 | Cide | the key being in that scope |
| 02:40.39 | Cide | here we have a conclusion in the "for every" quantifier, not within an assumption |
| 02:40.42 | Cide | err |
| 02:40.44 | Cide | contradiction |
| 02:40.44 | foxlit | Mirrormn: your reasoning was fine :) |
| 02:40.48 | Cide | in the past few lines |
| 02:41.14 | Hirsute | So, in this case, we can infer one of three things: !(For every language worth caring about there exists blah), !(Any for which there exists blah is not ideal), or !(Any language with is worth caring about is not ideal). |
| 02:41.17 | Lulia | lol, so I spent all night trying to get Rune timers to work, and now I can't make them optional |
| 02:41.19 | Lulia | >.> |
| 02:41.56 | Cide | actually |
| 02:42.01 | Cide | given a set of languages Q |
| 02:42.12 | Cide | we have for every x in Q, if P(x) then !P(x) |
| 02:42.31 | Cide | thus for every x which satisfies P(x) we have a contradiction |
| 02:42.38 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 02:42.51 | Cide | and may infer anything about such languages that satisfy P(x) |
| 02:43.10 | Cide | we cannot infer that P(x) is satisfied by no languages at all |
| 02:43.20 | Mirrormn | er |
| 02:43.29 | foxlit | Silly. |
| 02:43.35 | foxlit | Assume the statement is true. |
| 02:43.38 | Hirsute | or, rather, !(For every language worth caring about there exists blah), !(Any for which there exists blah is not ideal), or !(Any language that is not ideal is not worth caring about). |
| 02:43.38 | Mirrormn | I think you're riding this "contradiction means we can imply anything" thought a bit too far |
| 02:43.42 | foxlit | What are the logical consequences? |
| 02:43.50 | Cide | Mirrormn: no... |
| 02:44.25 | Cide | a valid conclusion is if P(x) then Z(x) for some unrelated rule Z |
| 02:44.26 | Mirrormn | Hirsute: or, !(There exists a language which is worth caring about) |
| 02:44.37 | Cide | however |
| 02:44.48 | Cide | it all boils down to whether or not there is a language satisfying P or not |
| 02:44.53 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: That assumption was never made, and cannot be concluded false from the contradictory statement. |
| 02:44.55 | Cide | if there isn't then foxlit's conclusion is obvious |
| 02:45.03 | Cide | in fact it's a given :P |
| 02:45.09 | Mirrormn | that assumption is necessary to reach a full contradiction |
| 02:45.15 | Cide | what? |
| 02:45.48 | Mirrormn | (talking to Hirsute) |
| 02:45.52 | Cide | ah |
| 02:46.18 | Cide | for the first result on google |
| 02:46.25 | Cide | see |
| 02:46.26 | Cide | http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/philosophy/research/ryckmant/Contradiction%20Elimination.htm |
| 02:46.58 | foxlit | Cide: so, my conclusion is *valid*. |
| 02:47.00 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: No, because the statement "Any language that is worth caring about is not worth caring about" cannot be applied to the case where there is no language worth caring about. |
| 02:47.05 | Cide | foxlit: not in the general case |
| 02:47.13 | foxlit | Oh, in every case there is |
| 02:47.17 | Cide | no |
| 02:47.19 | Cide | you get |
| 02:47.22 | Mirrormn | yeah, but that doesn't mean that once you derive a contradiction, then you say anything you want *and be right* |
| 02:47.28 | Cide | the conclusion is "if P(x) then Z(x)" |
| 02:47.28 | foxlit | Either you have a contradiction, in which case my conclusion is valid because the sun is blue |
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| 02:47.53 | foxlit | Or you don't, in which case my conclusion is the only way you can avoid the contradiction in the first place :) |
| 02:47.54 | Mirrormn | it means that at that point, the world is false no matter what other premises you add to it |
| 02:47.57 | Cide | you may infer "if P(x) then Z" |
| 02:48.01 | Cide | not "Z" |
| 02:48.08 | Mirrormn | so you might as well add whatever you want to it |
| 02:48.35 | Cide | however I don't think you can infer something about the set of facts, foxlit |
| 02:48.41 | Cide | only about the logical formulas to which the facts apply |
| 02:48.49 | Jamash | are we discussing quine's paradox? |
| 02:48.58 | Cide | no, predicate logic |
| 02:49.14 | Cide | I'm unfamiliar with quine's paradox |
| 02:49.23 | Jamash | it's a paradox of predicate logic |
| 02:49.42 | Jamash | actually I'm thinking of a different one |
| 02:49.43 | Mirrormn | quine's paradox is more of an issue with the semantics of language |
| 02:50.11 | Mirrormn | anyway, I don't think we're getting anywhere with this discussion anymore |
| 02:50.21 | foxlit | Cide: if (The set of premises) then (Conclusion)? |
| 02:50.21 | Mirrormn | if we were, in fact, ever making any progress in the first place |
| 02:50.31 | Jamash | I think I was thinking of Curry's paradox |
| 02:51.10 | Cide | foxlit: "if language x is worth caring about then the sun is blue" |
| 02:51.24 | Jamash | If this sentence is true, then Santa Claus exists. |
| 02:51.28 | foxlit | oh, sure, among other things |
| 02:51.45 | Cide | foxlit: you can't express "if language x is worth caring about then language x doesn't exist in the first place" in predicate logic |
| 02:51.48 | Cide | afaik anyway |
| 02:52.02 | Mirrormn | yes you can -.- |
| 02:52.12 | Cide | you could come up with it as a rule |
| 02:52.16 | Cide | but it wouldn't do what you want |
| 02:52.22 | Cide | i.e. remove it from the set of objects |
| 02:52.30 | Hirsute | lua> a = nil return a ~= nil |
| 02:52.30 | lua_bot | Hirsute: false |
| 02:52.34 | Mirrormn | Ax, (worthcaringabout(x) => !worthcaringabout(x)) |
| 02:52.35 | Cide | given a specific set of objects you may deduce specific results |
| 02:52.46 | Mirrormn | Ax, (!worthcaringabout(x) or !worthcaringabout(x)) |
| 02:52.53 | Mirrormn | Ax, (!worthcaringabout(x)) |
| 02:53.08 | foxlit | \neg \exists x worthcaringabout(x) |
| 02:53.13 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 02:53.17 | Cide | no? |
| 02:53.23 | Mirrormn | !Ex (worthcaringabout(x) |
| 02:53.26 | Mirrormn | ) |
| 02:53.35 | Cide | 6:52 < Mirrormn> Ax, (!worthcaringabout(x) or !worthcaringabout(x)) |
| 02:53.37 | Cide | what does that say |
| 02:53.47 | Cide | and how did you deduce that |
| 02:54.00 | foxlit | replaced implication. |
| 02:54.04 | Mirrormn | "a implies b" converts to "(not a) or (b)" |
| 02:54.42 | Cide | how about this then |
| 02:55.01 | Jamash | you can't define "worth" "caring" or "about" in predicate logic |
| 02:55.29 | Cide | Ax, (!worthcaringabout(x) => !worthcaringabout(x)) |
| 02:55.35 | Cide | err |
| 02:56.06 | Cide | sec |
| 02:56.10 | Jamash | a implies a? are you an objectivist? |
| 02:56.10 | Cide | doing sunken temple of all places |
| 03:00.32 | Mirrormn | and thus we have proven that sunken temple ends all discussion of logic and sanity |
| 03:00.39 | Cide | yeah, I guess that makes sense |
| 03:00.57 | Cide | I haven't checked it but if it's consistent I guess it's true |
| 03:01.59 | Cide | however |
| 03:02.31 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: I may not be able to prove that, but I cannot contradict it with any Vent I've listened to while doing ST. |
| 03:02.35 | Hirsute | I hate that instance. |
| 03:02.37 | Cide | actually |
| 03:02.42 | Cide | we can infer that there are no languages at all then |
| 03:02.53 | Mirrormn | no -.- |
| 03:02.56 | Cide | since we have Ax, !worthcaringabout(x) |
| 03:03.07 | Cide | err |
| 03:03.07 | Cide | nvm |
| 03:03.10 | Cide | I'm tired |
| 03:03.15 | foxlit | Yes. 5am? |
| 03:03.18 | Cide | yep |
| 03:04.52 | Cide | hm |
| 03:04.53 | Cide | how about |
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| 03:05.12 | Cide | I'll write P(x) instead of worthcaringabout(x) |
| 03:05.25 | Cide | Ax, (P(x) or !P(x)) |
| 03:05.36 | foxlit | valid statement. |
| 03:05.43 | foxlit | == Ax True |
| 03:05.48 | foxlit | == True |
| 03:05.56 | Jamash | I hate you all |
| 03:06.05 | foxlit | satisfiable, but meh. |
| 03:06.11 | foxlit | We all know it's a lie. |
| 03:06.14 | Jamash | you can't define truth |
| 03:06.42 | Dagmar | Yeah we can. |
| 03:06.52 | Cide | actually I'm even tired than I thought |
| 03:07.08 | Cide | I was going to say that we can infer Ax !P(x) but that was said like 10 minutes ago |
| 03:07.12 | Jamash | you can't formally define truth |
| 03:07.12 | Dagmar | #define TRUE 1 |
| 03:07.12 | Napoleone | truth != lie |
| 03:07.28 | Jamash | #define FALSE TRUE |
| 03:22.14 | Shirik | #define new delete |
| 03:22.41 | Jerub | #define { } |
| 03:23.01 | Shirik | error: expected identifier near '{' |
| 03:24.42 | Cide | #define ; ++; |
| 03:25.16 | Shirik | error: expected identifier near ';' |
| 03:25.18 | Cide | is that valid? |
| 03:25.27 | Shirik | no you can only define legal identifier names |
| 03:25.36 | Cide | figured as much after some thought |
| 03:25.38 | Cide | that's too bad |
| 03:28.20 | Lulia | Hmm, well, it's been a long day but I've learned quite a bit :) |
| 03:29.20 | Baps | I've got an AceEvent issue. I think that I'm sending messages and that I've properly registered my callback with RegisterMessage because I see the debugging messages and am not getting errors.. |
| 03:29.24 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWitch (~Kelly@d54C547BE.access.telenet.be) |
| 03:29.32 | Baps | but I'm not seeing my callback happen. |
| 03:29.36 | Cide | wrong channel |
| 03:29.48 | Baps | they're all busy talking worldoflogs |
| 03:30.05 | Cide | we're not the second-hand channel of wowace |
| 03:30.10 | Hirsute | When they settle down, they'll still be the most likely people to be able to help you. |
| 03:30.52 | Baps | *shrug* lot of overlap, figured it was worth a shot |
| 03:31.05 | Seerah | I don't personally use AceEvent |
| 03:31.15 | Seerah | if it were an AceConfig question, though... :p |
| 03:32.04 | Lulia | I managed to give the Player the option of using my built-in timer or using OmniCC's timer if they have OmniCC |
| 03:32.21 | Jerub | which auctioneer scan do i use ? |
| 03:33.22 | Cide | the better one |
| 03:34.10 | Hirsute | Jerub: If it works for you, use the >> one |
| 03:34.52 | Hirsute | If it doesn't, use the > one, but that one might not work either, because Blizz has been returning nils in odd places and we're still trying to work aorund a lot of it. |
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| 03:36.41 | Jerub | how do i scan a subcategory? |
| 03:36.42 | Jerub | just glyphs/ |
| 03:36.48 | Jerub | sorry, been a long time without auctioneer |
| 03:37.22 | Mirrormn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAuC1cXysho |
| 03:37.37 | Mirrormn | red shirt guy responds |
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| 03:41.19 | Dagmar | I wonder if anyone's reminded him that he still looks like a tool. |
| 03:41.34 | Seerah | ? |
| 03:42.05 | Dagmar | Doesn't help that he has his webcam low on the desk, so it looks like he's looking down his nose at the viewer |
| 03:42.26 | Seerah | I didn't get that impression at all, actually |
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| 03:42.59 | Seerah | maybe that's because I have several students with Asberger's and know their mannerisms |
| 03:44.25 | MoonWitch|Mobile | p |
| 03:44.34 | Seerah | q |
| 03:44.42 | Dagmar | So it's likely someone does need to tell him to mount the camera at eye level, then. |
| 03:45.29 | Cide | or just stop caring |
| 03:46.01 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh yeah |
| 03:46.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Seerah: issue still persists |
| 03:46.32 | Seerah | Dagmar: perhaps /shrug I know one of my students is always very straight-backed, even if it seems as though he's looking down at you (me :p ) |
| 03:46.36 | MoonWitch|Mobile | once i figure it out, i am freaking CALLING you (email or im won't do lol) |
| 03:46.43 | Seerah | :) |
| 03:47.00 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i am assuming you're not unlisted :P |
| 03:47.38 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yes screw caps since i am crouching dragon in freezing temp right noe |
| 03:47.46 | MoonWitch|Mobile | now |
| 03:52.55 | Seerah | MoonWitch|Mobile: I don't have a landline |
| 03:53.02 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh |
| 03:53.13 | MoonWitch|Mobile | well damn then lol |
| 03:53.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that ruins my plot |
| 03:53.26 | Seerah | :D |
| 03:53.36 | Seerah | that would have been an expensive call, anyway :) |
| 03:53.51 | Dagmar | Seerah: Well, this isn't speculation. You can tell from the background he has the webcam sitting on his desk. |
| 03:53.52 | amro | not with google |
| 03:54.02 | Seerah | I never said that he didn't :) |
| 03:54.03 | MoonWitch|Mobile | not quite :) I have an international plan :) |
| 03:54.06 | Dagmar | We've had to mention this to a few people at the office. |
| 03:54.27 | Dagmar | Especially if you're a not-so-well liked manager, that camera angle doesn't do ya any favors. |
| 03:54.51 | Seerah | then perhaps that is where you got the idea that he was looking down his nose ;) |
| 03:55.07 | Dagmar | Technically, he _is_ looking down his nose. |
| 03:55.25 | Dagmar | It's just not the gesture of haughtiness that it appears to be |
| 03:55.54 | Seerah | right |
| 03:59.41 | Seerah | wow - 22 pages now: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27508580821&sid=1 |
| 03:59.51 | Seerah | goes off to check the thread in CS forum that she posted in |
| 04:02.37 | adys_ | Seerah, what's that package thing? |
| 04:02.38 | amro | hm, what's all that about? |
| 04:03.04 | Hirsute | Jerub: Ctrl-click the category, then click the play button. |
| 04:03.47 | ccox | Grr, starting to not like Blizz support so much... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27300871108&sid=2000&pageNo=2 |
| 04:05.00 | Seerah | adys_: package thing? amro: no cinematics in digital downloads now, supposedly |
| 04:05.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ok call medumb, but what is that 22 page thing about? |
| 04:05.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | just the cinematics or more |
| 04:05.46 | amro | MoonWitch|Mobile: just the cinematics it seems |
| 04:05.49 | adys_ | whats wrong with them? you can just download the cinematics later |
| 04:05.55 | amro | OMG WHY ARE WE PAYING MORE FOR LESSSSSSSSS |
| 04:06.23 | amro | people are making such a huge deal out of it, it's pathetic |
| 04:07.01 | Seerah | It's the fact that they are missing and the Blue on the Tech Support forums that that they will not be included nor will they be available for download later (and to go see them on YouTube) |
| 04:07.23 | Seerah | *said that |
| 04:07.32 | Seerah | but there has been no word since |
| 04:08.44 | Napoleone | ok its getting late so now the dumb questions start. |
| 04:08.55 | Seerah | not including them and telling people to go to YouTube instead (or those people having to get them from their friends' box copies) is just stupid |
| 04:09.28 | Napoleone | when making a setscript for an onclick.. if clicking on a itemlink. how can i return that. ( for making a chatlink -> to a new iteminfo window |
| 04:09.34 | Seerah | especially when those cinematics play an integral part in the plot and story line of the game, explaining what to do next or how you got in a certain situation |
| 04:10.01 | Mirrormn | If I'm going to have to wait till 3:01am my time for Cata to unlock, I might as well just go pick up a physical copy |
| 04:10.04 | *** part/#wowuidev dji-dan (~dji-dan@95.147.178.248) |
| 04:10.17 | Napoleone | Mirrormn it will unlock at 00:00 cet |
| 04:10.22 | Napoleone | or 00:01 |
| 04:10.40 | Napoleone | when all servers go online |
| 04:10.59 | Mirrormn | in us, it unlocks at 12:01am PST |
| 04:11.03 | Mirrormn | *US |
| 04:11.10 | Mirrormn | which is 3:01am my time |
| 04:11.16 | Mirrormn | (EST) |
| 04:11.33 | brandonjviles | and stores will release it when? |
| 04:11.40 | brandonjviles | 12 your time? |
| 04:11.41 | kd3 | at midnight local time |
| 04:11.45 | Mirrormn | I'm fairly certain I will be able to buy it at midnight |
| 04:12.02 | brandonjviles | yeah, so might as well get box copy |
| 04:12.06 | Hirsute | But will the servers be running at that time? |
| 04:12.11 | Mirrormn | no |
| 04:12.17 | Napoleone | but servers dont go live untill midnight cet anyways |
| 04:12.23 | Mirrormn | from what I understand, there will be a coordinated digital unlock |
| 04:12.24 | Napoleone | so only portugal is screwed ;) |
| 04:13.33 | Napoleone | hmm anyone able to point me in a direction? on my above question |
| 04:15.10 | Hirsute | Napoleone: You're trying to make it so when you click a link in chat, it opens up the link's tooltip? |
| 04:15.58 | Napoleone | scrolling messageframe -> my own tooltipframe yes |
| 04:16.42 | Napoleone | since i ahve a frame that links all loot in the lootwindow and i have to select withone to show tooltip on in that frame so i can press my checkbuttons. to initiate rolls for loot.. as a masterlooter ;P |
| 04:17.18 | Hirsute | Set OnClick for the link to the function that shows your tooltip frame? |
| 04:17.35 | Hirsute | I really want ice cream right now |
| 04:17.58 | Napoleone | Hirsute thats the part that confuses me atm |
| 04:17.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | going back upstairs -- frozing popsickle here |
| 04:18.24 | Hirsute | Napoleone: That I want ice cream? |
| 04:18.27 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 04:19.16 | Napoleone | no the onclick script think |
| 04:19.34 | Napoleone | how do i call that... something with hyperlink mouse hovers? |
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| 04:22.30 | Jerub | lol, that's awesome |
| 04:22.31 | Hirsute | Napoleone: Maybe hook this function? http://www.wowpedia.org/API_ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow |
| 04:22.46 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 04:22.47 | Jerub | i trolled someone who's advertising for icc10 (pst achv+gs or no reply) |
| 04:23.10 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.24 | Jerub | he doesn't respond, lots of people on trade lol, and i see him run to the AH |
| 04:24.15 | Dagmar | I'm a big fan of the new spellbook. |
| 04:24.20 | Hirsute | Jerub: You win! |
| 04:24.30 | Dagmar | It's kept me from having to check the trainer after a respec to make sure I'm not missing anything (like higher ranks) |
| 04:24.51 | Dagmar | ...or spells, for that matter |
| 04:26.10 | Hirsute | Dagmar: That and the no-more-spell ranks thing. Both very nice. |
| 04:26.18 | Hirsute | I got rid of two addons because of that change. |
| 04:27.18 | Jerub | Hirsute: the very first time i used rankwatch in a raid was a lol moment. |
| 04:27.37 | Jerub | i asked the RL if i could turn it on, and he's like, 'sure, that sounds awesome, scrubs are bad' |
| 04:27.53 | Jerub | so i turn it on, and 2 seconds later he casts a downranked blessing of sanctuary |
| 04:27.58 | Dagmar | I just remember doing heroics at 80 on the 'lock and after I've _already gotten one piece of T9_ having someone's rankwatch addon just go nuts on me |
| 04:28.07 | Dagmar | I hadn't seen a trainer since level 77. |
| 04:28.13 | Dagmar | doh. |
| 04:28.50 | Hirsute | Jerub: That's wonderful. |
| 04:29.01 | Hirsute | The other addon I got rid of was UpRank |
| 04:29.15 | Dagmar | It wasn't slowin' me down enough to really notice since... I'd just hit 80 and was between 2500-3000 dps. heh |
| 04:29.15 | Hirsute | which ensured that I was *never* the one that RankWatch complained about. |
| 04:29.21 | Mirrormn | when I got rankwatch I was like "I guess this will be interesting if it ever happens to go off, but come on, who *really* doesn't go to train level 80 spells" |
| 04:29.34 | Mirrormn | and then it went off in like every single damn heroic I did for the next month -.- |
| 04:29.40 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: People who leveled so fast they forgot to botehr |
| 04:29.50 | Mirrormn | yeah, so I have now learned |
| 04:29.59 | Hirsute | The other problems was the bug that prevented your spells from updating on the actionbars for the spec you weren't in when you trianed. |
| 04:30.01 | Dagmar | Heh I got two levels on one of my toons just at the Tournament |
| 04:30.08 | Mirrormn | the one thing I do enjoy though |
| 04:30.17 | Mirrormn | is that no one is angry if you tell them to train new spells |
| 04:30.19 | Hirsute | Which is what UpRank fixed for me. |
| 04:30.27 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: Yeah lol |
| 04:30.31 | Hirsute | Mirrormn: no one ever got angry with you? |
| 04:30.40 | Mirrormn | mmm, no |
| 04:30.42 | Mirrormn | I don't think so |
| 04:30.48 | Dagmar | "Deeply embarassed" is most people's reaction |
| 04:31.00 | Mirrormn | I always just had people thank me profusely |
| 04:31.06 | Dagmar | *I* installed RankWatch after that |
| 04:31.19 | Dagmar | "Hey dude you want to know an easy way to raise your DPS 400-500?" |
| 04:31.22 | Dagmar | "lol sure" |
| 04:31.23 | Hirsute | I finally just told RankWatch to notify *me*, then I'd mention in party that some people were down ranking, and if you'd like to know if it was you to whisper me because people were raging about me and my "stupid" addon. |
| 04:31.33 | Dagmar | "Go see your trainer. ;) You're missing some stuff." |
| 04:31.38 | Mirrormn | contrast that with when I try to tell people how to do a rotation or a tip for a boss or something |
| 04:32.02 | Mirrormn | in that case they always ignore me or tell me to stfu |
| 04:32.14 | Mirrormn | oh, and one guy called me a faggot |
| 04:32.35 | Hirsute | Because obviously only homosexuals try to be helpful to others. |
| 04:32.38 | Mirrormn | for telling him not to stand afk and let the healer pull aggro off him while he was tanking -.- |
| 04:32.58 | Dagmar | Oh come on now |
| 04:33.13 | Dagmar | Everyone loves an AFK hunter on Patchwerk |
| 04:33.22 | Hirsute | Or, try to be snarkily-helpful. |
| 04:34.28 | Jerub | i had one guy in WG be angry at me |
| 04:34.45 | Jerub | "I'm only just 80 and i cant afford training rar rar rar, i don't need the higher rank of $spellname yet" |
| 04:35.03 | Mirrormn | lol |
| 04:35.29 | Mirrormn | I did have someone get angry at me when he didn't have a flying mount and couldn't fly into naxxramas |
| 04:35.42 | Jerub | i've had a kitty leave a raid after i told him A) don't mangle, i'm a bear, and B) use savage roar |
| 04:35.45 | Mirrormn | and I tried to basically lecture him on the responsibilities of grouping with other people |
| 04:35.56 | Jerub | i mean, come on. if he did it right he'd /double/ his dps |
| 04:37.08 | Hirsute | Napoleone: This is old code, but it might give you a little bit of an idea on what to do. http://books.google.com/books?id=QUoK6oeiVvIC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=world+of+warcraft+chat+frame+link+set+script&source=bl&ots=5CaJnUVIOL&sig=D7pnsUnEbigOJPoO6S22lSnGjEc&hl=en&ei=4pzLTPPyGYLWtQP0-JWJDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=world%20of%20warcraft%20chat%20frame%20link |
| 04:37.10 | Hirsute | %20set%20script&f=false |
| 04:37.20 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Hirsute |
| 04:37.20 | purl | Hirsute: FAIL! |
| 04:37.29 | Hirsute | Ick |
| 04:37.35 | Hirsute | That link was longer than I thought it was. |
| 04:37.39 | Hirsute | By about 50 times. |
| 04:38.34 | Hirsute | http://bit.ly/9LG4nN |
| 04:38.35 | Hirsute | There |
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| 04:54.44 | Lulia | heh |
| 04:54.50 | Thunder_Child | http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1094 >.< |
| 04:59.33 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 05:00.01 | Napoleone | the thing that puzzles me. |
| 05:00.15 | Napoleone | how do i use http://www.wowpedia.org/API_ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow when i click a hyperlink |
| 05:03.39 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5676695/tron-legacy-preview-a-slice-of-sleek-sexy-hell |
| 05:03.48 | Arrowmaster | WHY CANT IT BE DECEMBER 17TH YET! |
| 05:08.21 | Napoleone | ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow(chatFrame, link, text, button) <--- so i change ChatFrame to my frame of focus? |
| 05:16.11 | Shirik | Why Perl is evil: |
| 05:16.19 | Shirik | This is valid code (and I just saw it): @_[-1] = $?; |
| 05:18.12 | Lulia | O.o |
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| 05:24.12 | Lulia | Anyone know how to set color in simple print statements? |
| 05:24.19 | Napoleone | OMG i cant think |
| 05:24.48 | Napoleone | now i realized half of my fact... |
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| 05:27.36 | Mirrormn | is Cide around? |
| 05:27.49 | Mirrormn | newp! |
| 05:28.02 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:28.16 | Lulia | Link to any sort of directions on how to color in print() ? |
| 05:28.25 | Mirrormn | color is controlled in chat message using an escape code of the format |cFFRRGGBB |
| 05:28.57 | Lulia | >.> |
| 05:28.58 | DustinGraham | Hey guys. Whats up. I'm pretty good with C#, Java, Php, etc. Considering learning LUA and such. I have VS2010 from school and other projects, but I'm finding a lot of dated materials. Is there a good place to start? Currently browsing the wowinterface.com tutorials forum. |
| 05:29.00 | Lulia | Not fun |
| 05:29.01 | Napoleone | isnt it |c AA RR GG BB |
| 05:29.14 | Mirrormn | the first two f's are alpha values but from what I have seen it doesn't matter what you put for them, it will always be 100% alpha |
| 05:29.31 | Napoleone | DustinGraham wow programming book and the pil manual. |
| 05:29.46 | DustinGraham | Ok. I saw the wow programming website, but I'll check out the pil manual. |
| 05:29.59 | Mirrormn | and http://www.wowpedia.org/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 05:30.02 | Lulia | The RRGGBB is 00 to 99? |
| 05:30.10 | Napoleone | nop |
| 05:30.10 | Mirrormn | no, it's 00 to FF |
| 05:30.12 | Napoleone | hex |
| 05:30.24 | Mirrormn | 8 bits of hex |
| 05:30.46 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 05:30.49 | Lulia | Eww, gotta find that hex site again |
| 05:30.55 | Napoleone | haha |
| 05:30.56 | Mirrormn | hex site? |
| 05:31.09 | DustinGraham | Mirrormn: Ya I found that API. I'm excited about that. Lots of easy to use functions. |
| 05:31.15 | Lulia | http://www.javascripter.net/faq/rgbtohex.htm |
| 05:31.34 | DustinGraham | Guess I just gotta dive in. |
| 05:31.50 | Mirrormn | Dustingraham: there are also tutorials and howtos on that page |
| 05:32.03 | Mirrormn | but honestly I never found wow/lua tutorials to be helpful *at all* |
| 05:32.35 | Mirrormn | I spent like 2 years not understanding wow/lua and just basically ignoring it, then one it finally clicked for me |
| 05:32.39 | Mirrormn | and I started coding addons |
| 05:32.41 | DustinGraham | LoL |
| 05:33.14 | DustinGraham | Cool alrite. Ya, I've done a lot of researching over the past week and finding a lot of dated material. Thinking I just need to start making stuff and learn by experience. |
| 05:33.44 | Napoleone | alot of dated thanks to the patch ;) |
| 05:33.50 | DustinGraham | I'll bookmark lua.org/pil/ and the api though. |
| 05:33.54 | DustinGraham | Ya true. |
| 05:33.55 | Lulia | RGB to Hex converter is the best site evah |
| 05:33.56 | Lulia | ;) |
| 05:34.06 | DustinGraham | I started looking shortly after 4.0 was released! Fail. :-) |
| 05:34.12 | Mirrormn | you can also look at other people's addons and steal coding practices and ideas from them |
| 05:34.48 | Mirrormn | Lulia: or you could just be familiar with colors in hex format |
| 05:34.55 | DustinGraham | Ya. Been browsing some of the auction related ones but those are pretty heavy especially when they include other libs. |
| 05:35.25 | Mirrormn | I dunno if I would recommend trying to comprehend gigantic addons like that |
| 05:35.27 | DustinGraham | Thanks Mirrormn going to afk and read some more maybe test some things. |
| 05:35.48 | Mirrormn | what would probably be easier is to find the author of whatever gigantic addon |
| 05:35.56 | Mirrormn | look at their wowace page |
| 05:36.04 | Mirrormn | and try to find their little tiny addons |
| 05:36.14 | Mirrormn | the ones they've written simply to solve specific tasks or issues |
| 05:37.07 | Lulia | Oh, Mirror, did I tell you? Got the timers working for the Runes |
| 05:37.52 | Napoleone | i need to ask later damn |
| 05:38.47 | Mirrormn | honestly I was too busy desperately trying to find trivial things to distract myself from doing work to really pay attention to your previous rune timer issues |
| 05:40.20 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:41.02 | Mirrormn | I've managed to avoid fixing a single one of the 16 tickets on WeakAuras for the _entire day_ |
| 05:41.14 | Mirrormn | by doing nothing as hard as I possibly can |
| 05:43.50 | Lulia | Oh? |
| 05:44.39 | Lulia | I think I'm going to finally put mine up on WoWinterface and such |
| 05:44.53 | Lulia | It has some decent functionality and such at this point. |
| 05:45.37 | Mirrormn | do you have any experience with revision control systems? |
| 05:46.53 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 05:47.19 | Lulia | I made a map in SC2 and put it up on SC2 Mapster... >.> |
| 05:47.20 | Lulia | <.< |
| 05:48.20 | Mirrormn | wowace requires that you use a proper VCS, I think wowinterface does the same |
| 05:48.39 | Lulia | And where do I read up on that? |
| 05:48.45 | Mirrormn | if you don't want to deal with all that, curseforge is basically exactly wowace except blue and you can simply upload a zip |
| 05:49.29 | Mirrormn | if you *do* want to get into all that, wowace.com has a knowledge base article to get you started |
| 05:49.49 | durcyn | wowinterface does not require SCM. it doesn't even have hooks for them. |
| 05:49.55 | Mirrormn | and then you would probably want to read the documentation of whatever specific system you choose to use |
| 05:50.06 | durcyn | they do provide rudimentary SVN repositories, but they're clunky at best |
| 05:50.18 | Mirrormn | all right |
| 05:50.24 | Mirrormn | I know next to nothing about wowinterface |
| 05:51.06 | durcyn | i'm aware of it only because i've had to use it, and it's irksome |
| 05:51.40 | Mirrormn | I must say, TortoiseSVN + wowace.com is a very comfortable and intuitive system for me personally |
| 05:52.14 | durcyn | meh. anyone using SVN on a new repository is selling something or smoking something. git4lyfe. |
| 05:52.43 | Mirrormn | what is the advantage of git over svn? |
| 05:53.41 | durcyn | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ |
| 05:55.05 | durcyn | completely unrelated, the shaman NPC in the delrissa encounter in magister's terrace just dropped a "zzOLD Windfury Totem" :( |
| 05:56.44 | DustinGraham | Colon is scope resolution? |
| 05:57.13 | Lulia | http://kb.wowace.com/projects/getting-started-with-wow-ace/ |
| 05:57.23 | Lulia | That mentions SVN, but doesn't explain it. |
| 05:59.30 | DustinGraham | "Frames CANNOT be deleted. Reuse them." <--- O_o lol. Guess I'll get used to it, but as a noob that seems pretty funny. |
| 06:01.45 | Mirrormn | hmm, I guess I am convinced that Git is worth learning |
| 06:02.12 | Mirrormn | although it's not really better in any way that is *immediately* useful to me personally |
| 06:03.02 | MentalPower | DustinGraham: you see there's this bowl of soup... http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/231117.htm |
| 06:03.18 | Cairenn|afk | ROFL |
| 06:03.20 | Cairenn|afk | soup! |
| 06:04.02 | Cairenn|afk | remembers that, without even needing to click the link |
| 06:04.17 | MentalPower | :) |
| 06:04.43 | Cairenn|afk | am I remembering right, or do I actually need to click the link? |
| 06:04.55 | MentalPower | slouken's famous words |
| 06:04.58 | Cairenn|afk | yep |
| 06:05.06 | Cairenn|afk | remembering correctly |
| 06:05.20 | MentalPower | with the peas and the crackers |
| 06:05.27 | Cairenn|afk | yup |
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| 06:10.34 | brandonjviles | this is undocumented on wowprogramming.com does GetPrimaryTalentTree() return an index for the class or for all specs regardless of class |
| 06:10.56 | brandonjviles | i dont know if that is clear enough question |
| 06:11.36 | Mirrormn | it returns the number of the talent tree which you chose as your primary talent tree |
| 06:11.45 | brandonjviles | so 1 2 or 3 |
| 06:11.46 | Mirrormn | when you specified your talents |
| 06:11.50 | brandonjviles | or similar |
| 06:11.50 | Mirrormn | yes, 1, 2, or 3 |
| 06:11.53 | brandonjviles | ok |
| 06:12.02 | Mirrormn | or presumably 0 if you haven't chosen a primary talent tree... |
| 06:12.06 | Mirrormn | I don't know about that |
| 06:12.14 | brandonjviles | maybe nil |
| 06:12.22 | Mirrormn | certainly possible |
| 06:12.43 | brandonjviles | so in order to get spec, ill have to check class first |
| 06:13.47 | Mirrormn | what do you mean by getting "spec", specifically? |
| 06:14.17 | brandonjviles | primary spec |
| 06:14.23 | brandonjviles | umm |
| 06:14.49 | Lulia | GetPrimaryTalentTree() ? |
| 06:14.55 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 06:14.59 | Mirrormn | I guess a better way to word that question is |
| 06:15.02 | Lulia | It just returns a number |
| 06:15.12 | Mirrormn | what exactly do you intend to use this spec information for? |
| 06:15.18 | brandonjviles | shot rotations |
| 06:15.23 | brandonjviles | for all classes |
| 06:15.35 | Mirrormn | mmm |
| 06:15.40 | brandonjviles | well, spell rotations |
| 06:15.43 | brandonjviles | or w/e |
| 06:15.46 | Mirrormn | then yes, you would need to use a combination of class and spec |
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| 06:16.02 | brandonjviles | GetClass () |
| 06:16.05 | brandonjviles | ahh |
| 06:16.06 | brandonjviles | mt |
| 06:16.18 | Amarande | I still find it interesting that they didn't fix the 6 piece set bonus on the hunter DS1 |
| 06:16.19 | Lulia | UnitClass("Player") and GetPrimaryTalentTree() |
| 06:16.35 | Amarande | It's not just a bonus that's so situational or requires such a contrived situation to use that it's effectively useless. |
| 06:16.43 | Amarande | It is, in fact, absolutely impossible to use in any event by any class |
| 06:17.08 | Lulia | You know... it doesn't even tell me whether or not anyone has downloaded my SC2 map |
| 06:17.26 | Amarande | It's mail, and it has a chance to restore mana when you do a normal ranged attack. |
| 06:18.26 | Mirrormn | you find it odd that blizzard didn't spend the time to make sure that years-old outdated gear isn't completely bug-free and intuitive with regards to new game systems? |
| 06:24.11 | Lulia | Night guys |
| 06:24.41 | Amarande | Mirror: I would have thought they'd have eliminated a reference to mana from a hunter set :) |
| 06:24.52 | Amarande | granted, of course, it's not "Classes: Hunter" |
| 06:24.58 | Lulia | quit |
| 06:25.01 | Lulia | oops |
| 06:25.12 | Amarande | so maybe it didn't really occur to them as quickly as it did to me that that proc can never occur in 4.0 under any circumstances |
| 06:25.56 | Amarande | also speaking of hunters, how the heck did one ever manage to do the egan's blaster quest back in vanilla on one :) |
| 06:26.24 | Amarande | back in vanilla, where you actually needed everyone pulling their weight in Strat and hunters didn't even have trap launcher |
| 06:26.40 | Amarande | or were you still able to swap weapons in combat back then? |
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| 06:31.20 | Mirrormn | "back in vanilla, where you actually needed everyone pulling their weight" LOLOLOL |
| 06:31.29 | Mirrormn | PEOPLE PULLING THEIR WEIGHT IN VANILLA |
| 06:32.10 | Jerub | just eat more potions |
| 06:32.11 | Jerub | lol |
| 06:32.48 | Mirrormn | in case you didn't know, which it appears you did not, Vanilla was the heyday of 2 people barely knowing what to do in an instance and 8 other people herp derping around in the back, going afk to make a PBJ sandwich, looting bodies, cybering, and whatever the fuck else |
| 06:33.23 | Mirrormn | if you could somehow group together 40 people who actually "pulled their weight", you like a top 100 world guild |
| 06:33.31 | Mirrormn | *you were |
| 06:35.42 | Jerub | a friend came back after playing in vanilla recently. |
| 06:35.57 | Jerub | and he was like, "I went to ZF and the other 4 people KNEW THEIR WAY and WHAT TO DO" |
| 06:36.05 | Mirrormn | ahahaha |
| 06:36.09 | Mirrormn | exactly |
| 06:36.19 | Mirrormn | we've come a long way since those days ^_^ |
| 06:36.19 | Jerub | "in my day you pugged for an hour to get a group, and then no one knew what anything was so you just muddled your way through the instance and it took like 3 hours" |
| 06:37.01 | Amarande | Mirror: Strath and Scholo were actually mean, mean mean places back in Vanilla, or so I've heard. |
| 06:37.22 | Mirrormn | eh |
| 06:37.34 | Amarande | And if you're doing the Egan's Blaster quest as a hunter, that means you're completely and utterly useless to the group, except for traps and your pet. |
| 06:37.39 | Mirrormn | way at the beginning, you used to be able to raid them |
| 06:37.50 | Amarande | Mirror: you used to practically have to raid them |
| 06:38.00 | Mirrormn | nah |
| 06:38.07 | Mirrormn | 10 man strat was super easy |
| 06:38.09 | Amarande | it was pretty much considered news when people learned how to do Scholo with a 5-man group |
| 06:38.14 | Mirrormn | 10 man scholo was not that hard |
| 06:38.17 | Mirrormn | 5-man scholo |
| 06:38.26 | Mirrormn | was "difficult" when it first came out |
| 06:38.31 | Amarande | Good news, everyone! :) |
| 06:38.33 | Jerub | now people do UBRS by accident when they queued for LBRS and have a bit of trouble :P |
| 06:38.39 | Jerub | in vanilla UBRS was a raid. |
| 06:38.52 | Mirrormn | but that's only cause it was the first time anyone actually had to do a real 5-man dungeon type thing |
| 06:38.52 | Amarande | Jerub, that's probably also because a lot of LBRS queue groups are still in the earlyish mid 50s |
| 06:38.56 | Jerub | oh, finally got first two wing achievements on my mage |
| 06:39.09 | Amarande | you really, really want to be 60 or so to be doing UBRS. :) |
| 06:39.19 | Jerub | Amarande: yes. and it's the same entrance and no signposts |
| 06:39.24 | Mirrormn | before that time, anyone just attacked anything they wanted and the tank maybe taunted something off a dps once in a while and then your two healers (although one was probably afk) just healed through it |
| 06:39.28 | Jerub | easy mistake to make! |
| 06:39.50 | Mirrormn | when scholo got reduced to 5 man only, people started to realize that maybe the tank actually needed to tank the mobs |
| 06:39.51 | Amarande | Jerub: these days, I'd be happy for such a group though, seeing as I picked up some quests that require me to go to UBRS. |
| 06:39.59 | Jerub | and if your healers were both afk, you just popped potions :P |
| 06:40.03 | Mirrormn | and maybe the dps needed to cc something instead of offtanking it |
| 06:40.23 | Mirrormn | although I will admit |
| 06:40.33 | Mirrormn | the basement room with the magic-immune skeletons |
| 06:40.37 | Mirrormn | was a fucking pain in the ass |
| 06:40.48 | Amarande | Mirror: yeah, that place was complete joy and <3 on my warlock ... not |
| 06:41.01 | Jerub | Mirrormn: oh, for the quest? |
| 06:41.02 | Jerub | yeah |
| 06:41.03 | Jerub | ugh |
| 06:41.08 | Amarande | Good news, everyone! You get to rely entirely on your pet attacks and white damage from your dagger! |
| 06:42.02 | Mirrormn | anyway, if my shitty guild was able to somehow manage to do scholo with retard 16 year old me accidentally aggroing everything and aoeing like a moron everywhere, it couldn't have been *that* hard |
| 06:42.34 | Amarande | Mirror: and yet when I went there in BC to do my dreadsteed quest on my lock, groups wiped left right and center |
| 06:43.21 | Mirrormn | dreadsteed quest in scholo? |
| 06:43.26 | Mirrormn | wasn't that in dire maul? |
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| 06:48.12 | Amarande | Mirror: you needed both Scholo and Dire Maul for the dreadsteed |
| 06:48.30 | Amarande | and you had to go to school first |
| 06:48.57 | Amarande | I believe Scholo had something to do with the imp in a jar at the alchemy lab (and no you couldn't use the one in Shattrath :P) |
| 06:51.11 | Nechckn | no game access, atm - you can or cannot sell http://www.wowhead.com/item=33226 ? |
| 06:51.34 | Mirrormn | you can sell it to the ground for 0c |
| 06:51.38 | Mirrormn | THAT'S WHAT I DO |
| 06:51.50 | Nechckn | imagine, no.. but someone is insisting |
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| 06:53.07 | Nechckn | Imagine most do that, but sorta need to know |
| 06:55.44 | Amarande | I usually just let that sort of stuff sit in my bag and expire |
| 06:56.09 | Amarande | and yet, the toothpicks are permanent, despite the fact that they're BoP and you only ever need the one for the cheeve |
| 07:05.47 | Shirik | night night |
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| 07:41.16 | Hirsute | Can you not swap weapons in combat now? |
| 07:41.26 | brandonjviles | does anyone know how many action buttons bartender creates? |
| 07:41.45 | brandonjviles | i think you can mirsuta |
| 07:41.50 | Fisker | i believe you can Hirsute |
| 07:41.56 | Fisker | you just can't use addons for it? |
| 07:42.09 | brandonjviles | not sure about that |
| 07:43.02 | brandonjviles | not protected |
| 07:43.07 | brandonjviles | well |
| 07:43.16 | brandonjviles | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EquipItemByName |
| 07:44.52 | brandonjviles | noone have any idea about bartender action buttons? |
| 07:45.07 | brandonjviles | isnt it like 10 bars and 12 buttons per bar? |
| 07:46.39 | brandonjviles | ahh i wish lul was here lol |
| 07:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | woo, still at work |
| 07:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | go me |
| 07:47.42 | brandonjviles | go you |
| 07:47.57 | brandonjviles | what are you working on? |
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| 07:51.24 | brandonjviles | anyone know if lulia ever figured out how to get Spec information on first load of addon |
| 07:52.20 | Fisker | robokitty ! |
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| 08:08.51 | ZorbaTHut | I want a Titan's Grip equivalent for prot |
| 08:09.57 | Fisker | i want you ZorbaTHut |
| 08:10.23 | ZorbaTHut | I know, but our love was not meant to be |
| 08:11.48 | Mirrormn | I want a mage talent that will let me cast 2 spells at a time |
| 08:11.57 | Mirrormn | I deserve it more than prot warriors, I think |
| 08:12.15 | ZorbaTHut | that would be pretty sweet |
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| 08:14.23 | Fisker | :( |
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| 09:22.59 | segorawow | hello, i hove one question to this staticpopup_dialogs. is it possible to add two textfields? |
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| 09:46.25 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 09:46.53 | Nexiuz | hey |
| 09:47.13 | Angayelle | trying to calculate the dps of a dot and using the following combuPyrodps = amount/(timestamp-previoustimestamp) |
| 09:47.33 | DustinGraham | Where do you look up error explanations such as I'm using swatter and it gives me a message "attempt to concatenate local 'name' (a table value)" is there a place to get more details about an error like this? |
| 09:48.00 | zenzelezz | that actually says all you need to know |
| 09:48.19 | zenzelezz | you're trying to use concatenation on what you probably thought was a string, but in reality it is a table |
| 09:48.25 | zenzelezz | where do you get "name" from? |
| 09:48.35 | Angayelle | amount is fixed and both timestamp and previoustimestamp should give me the same interval bewteen them as there is no modifiers applying to the dot once it's setted on the target |
| 09:48.55 | DustinGraham | I figured that out just now after I wrote the question. I forgot to have "self" in the function variables. |
| 09:48.57 | Angayelle | but i have small difference between each tick |
| 09:49.27 | Nexiuz | Haste is now calculated on the fly right? |
| 09:50.05 | Nexiuz | so you can have different intervals depending on haste procs |
| 09:50.07 | DustinGraham | zenzelezz I had function(name, parent) instead of function(self, name, parent), but for a noob like me that statement didn't make much sense because i couldn't imagine why my variable was a table value. I won't ever need to look that up but if I run into other problems I was just wondering if there is a reference of some sort. |
| 09:50.17 | cbreak | what do you people think is the temporal resolution of the server? |
| 09:50.19 | Angayelle | it's always the case no ? at least the tooltip of the dot debuff give me the same time from start to end |
| 09:50.32 | cbreak | is it quantized? |
| 09:50.35 | cbreak | it probably is |
| 09:50.46 | DustinGraham | 5ms |
| 09:50.48 | Angayelle | difference is in the range of 5- 12 dps |
| 09:51.17 | cbreak | you think the server calculates 200 slices per second? |
| 09:51.18 | Angayelle | timestamp is given clientside ? |
| 09:51.21 | cbreak | I don't think it can do that |
| 09:51.42 | DustinGraham | I said 5ms but I wasn't being helpful to Angayelle's question. |
| 09:52.11 | Nexiuz | Do some tests and take the average? |
| 09:52.29 | Angayelle | that or just retain the dps between the first and second tick |
| 09:52.37 | cbreak | Angayelle: some time stamps from the api are server side, some are client side. I think the SPELL_ events are server side for example |
| 09:53.16 | cbreak | also, dps makes no sense for small delta-t |
| 09:53.25 | Angayelle | ofc |
| 09:53.27 | cbreak | it's always an average |
| 09:53.43 | cbreak | otherwise, a dot has infinite dps when it hits |
| 09:53.47 | cbreak | and no dps in between the ticks |
| 09:54.04 | Angayelle | since i need the fastets dps report i'll go for 1st and 2nd tick dps |
| 09:54.14 | Dagmar | Bane of Doom, very fun with bad math |
| 09:54.16 | cbreak | fastest? |
| 09:54.28 | cbreak | what meaning does dps have during a fight? |
| 09:54.34 | Angayelle | well in my case, it's for combustion damage calculus so i need that value to expect it |
| 09:54.45 | Dagmar | <cast Bane of Doom> nothing... nothing... nothing... nothing... nothing.... *15k* |
| 09:55.04 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 09:55.42 | Angayelle | yes, combustion damage is calculated with the sum of the dotes rpesent on target so i need to know if the dot are the best i could apply or if i should wait for some proc to improve it |
| 09:56.04 | Angayelle | hence it's useless to know the dps of the dot if it has ended |
| 09:56.14 | cbreak | do you need to care about dps then? |
| 09:56.25 | cbreak | why not just about the tick damage of present dots? |
| 09:56.53 | cbreak | or does combustion also care about haste? |
| 09:57.10 | cbreak | (if it does, you can just use the current haste value to modify the tick dps yourself) |
| 09:57.11 | Nexiuz | Then you are missing haste in your calculation? |
| 09:57.18 | Dagmar | I've heard it makes dots tick faster |
| 09:57.29 | Angayelle | If a DOT debuff says, "1500 damage every 3 seconds" or "5000 damage over 10 seconds" - they still both tick for 500 DPS. The DPS values is what Combustion combines when consolidating DOTs, to calculate the new consolidated DOT's value. |
| 09:57.33 | Angayelle | from EJ |
| 09:57.42 | cbreak | common knowledge was: haste is worthless for dots, same as crit |
| 09:57.48 | cbreak | because dots can't tick faster, nor crit |
| 09:57.54 | Angayelle | it is not the case anymore |
| 09:57.54 | cbreak | but that might have changed in the last few years |
| 09:58.11 | Angayelle | with more haste we fit more dots in the spell duration |
| 09:58.12 | Dagmar | Bane of Doom, in particularly only ticks every fifteen freakin' seconds |
| 09:58.20 | Dagmar | er particular |
| 09:58.34 | Angayelle | at 36% haste i fit 6 dots instead of 4 |
| 09:58.41 | cbreak | is that similar to curse of doom? |
| 09:58.46 | Dagmar | Yeah it's the replacement |
| 09:58.52 | cbreak | do you get a doomguard? :) |
| 09:58.56 | Dagmar | It also apparently functions as an aggro birdie for the demons |
| 09:59.00 | Dagmar | DUDE |
| 09:59.11 | Dagmar | You can just *throw out* a Doomguard any time you like now |
| 09:59.15 | Angayelle | haste is taken into calculation with timestamp and previoustimestamp |
| 09:59.31 | Dagmar | ...and your "whatever else demon" (because really, who cares) *doesn't go away* |
| 09:59.32 | cbreak | Angayelle: anyway, I'd just ignore the actual tick interval |
| 09:59.39 | cbreak | just sample the tick damage |
| 09:59.45 | cbreak | and then calculate haste yourself |
| 10:00.06 | Dagmar | There's a serious cooldown on the Doomguard summon, but you can have a small *cloud* of demons causing a ruckus now |
| 10:00.09 | Angayelle | you can't really because haste don't give a linear increase of dps for dots |
| 10:00.15 | Angayelle | there is steps |
| 10:00.24 | cbreak | so? you can calculate those... |
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| 10:00.36 | cbreak | you can calculate everything, because blizzard calculates it too. |
| 10:00.52 | Angayelle | i could but steps are different for each dots and i have 4 to deal with |
| 10:01.17 | cbreak | Dagmar: sounds op |
| 10:01.23 | cbreak | multiple demons at the same time :/ |
| 10:01.33 | Dagmar | cbreak: Kinda seems like all the classes are OP now |
| 10:01.37 | cbreak | and the doomguard is a monster of a demon |
| 10:01.38 | zenzelezz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/1847246/Geocities-To-Be-Made-Available-As-a-900GB-Torrent - oh goodie |
| 10:02.09 | cbreak | zenzelezz: animated gif raninbow backgrounds! |
| 10:02.13 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I think it would probably be easier to just go buy a Tb disk and drop it in a pot of moldy noodles |
| 10:02.38 | cbreak | Angayelle: can each dot only be up once? |
| 10:03.00 | Dagmar | cbreak: You should see this new Gul'dan spell |
| 10:03.12 | Dagmar | Big purple whirly thing around the target |
| 10:03.16 | cbreak | I feel underpowered with my mage :/ |
| 10:03.23 | cbreak | all I can is waste single target enemies... |
| 10:03.46 | cbreak | blizzard hates kiting |
| 10:03.49 | Dagmar | Bane of Doom sort has a visual thing now |
| 10:04.22 | Dagmar | When it procs (glyphed) an ebon imp (sort of a hairier looking imp) shows up, starts whaling on the target for about 2/3 normal imp damage |
| 10:04.41 | Angayelle | cbreak aye only one dot each time, exceppt for ffb which have 3 stacks max |
| 10:05.19 | Angayelle | and ofc LB can be on 3 targets but i've setted afilter to get only my target dps report |
| 10:05.29 | cbreak | Angayelle: then you could try to extrapolate the dps |
| 10:05.54 | cbreak | is the actual dps relevant or the expected future damage, like with ignite? |
| 10:06.13 | Angayelle | only the actual dps is relevant in that case |
| 10:06.26 | Angayelle | to know combustion damage at the end |
| 10:07.15 | Angayelle | ignite will be a whole different story |
| 10:08.00 | Angayelle | because ideally i'll have to know the upcoming damage of this dot to get the good expected damage of combustion |
| 10:08.42 | Angayelle | and besides calcultaing it from the start of the fight and taking in account every crit i dunno how i could do |
| 10:09.45 | cbreak | Angayelle: if you manage to get a value |
| 10:09.47 | Fisker | hey cbreak |
| 10:09.55 | cbreak | you could store it, and then compare it with the actual value you get in return |
| 10:10.00 | cbreak | and then print out the error |
| 10:10.02 | cbreak | for debugging :( |
| 10:10.07 | cbreak | Fisker: greetings. |
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| 10:20.37 | Angayelle | after thinking about what you said cbreak it's indeed useless to deal with steps and haste, if i know my haste then i'll got the interval between the ticks and with damage report from combat log i'll have dps |
| 10:21.16 | cbreak | you'd just have to store the original base tick length for each spell |
| 10:21.22 | cbreak | with length I mean interval |
| 10:21.45 | Angayelle | to use with the haste with a formula yes |
| 10:22.41 | Angayelle | you remember the api to get self haste value ? |
| 10:23.48 | cbreak | hmm... there was some UnitStat I think |
| 10:23.55 | zenzelezz | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCombatRating ? |
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| 10:24.05 | zenzelezz | or is that just the rating |
| 10:24.21 | nevcairiel | GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_HASTE_SPELL) |
| 10:24.44 | zenzelezz | ooh, so I wasn't that far off |
| 10:25.11 | Angayelle | unitstat return str agi and stuff only |
| 10:25.38 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 10:25.56 | cbreak | that API is definitely evolved, not intelligently designed. |
| 10:26.11 | Angayelle | i'll have to add a converter from rating to % |
| 10:26.12 | nevcairiel | GetCombatRating gives you the rating, GetCombatRatingBonus gives you the percentage |
| 10:27.11 | Angayelle | oh nicey |
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| 10:36.47 | Angayelle | mmmh where to find ratingIndex for each stats, i remember i saw the constants list somewhere but forgot to bookmark it |
| 10:39.00 | Sliker | what's that new wiki we're supposed to be using even though the new wikia layout is fine? |
| 10:39.15 | Sliker | (i am ignorant) |
| 10:40.24 | zenzelezz | Angayelle: you should try the obvious next time. You need rating indexes for GetCombatRatingBonus? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCombatRatingBonus most likely has the list |
| 10:41.19 | Sliker | nevermind, found it. |
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| 11:03.11 | Deveyus | Hello all, I was wondering, if I wanted to add a button to the blizzard mail frame, how would I go about that exactly? (Is it out of scope for addons?) |
| 11:10.41 | cbreak | there are a few mail addons |
| 11:10.46 | cbreak | just pick one and read it's code |
| 11:10.57 | Deveyus | Ok. |
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| 11:11.12 | bennie | Hello |
| 11:11.40 | bennie | anyone here? |
| 11:11.56 | foxlit | no. |
| 11:12.12 | Deveyus | The users list shows a great many people. |
| 11:12.27 | bennie | Aah, foxlit |
| 11:12.32 | bennie | I was actually looking for you |
| 11:12.41 | cbreak | he's not here though |
| 11:13.21 | bennie | foxlit is listed as the author of the "User Account Migration" extension on http://www.wowpedia.org/Special:Version |
| 11:14.20 | bennie | I am an admin of tibia.wikia.com, we plan to move away and could use such a Special:UserMigration page |
| 11:15.34 | bennie | Could you help us how to get it? |
| 11:17.47 | foxlit | Hm, so I should upload it somewhere at some point |
| 11:23.09 | Deveyus | Would it be bad form to detect the mailbox frame opening and just position my button so that it sits on top of the mail frame? |
| 11:23.53 | Gnarfoz | that's probably the way to do it. |
| 11:24.06 | Deveyus | Ah! Alrighty then. |
| 11:24.10 | Deveyus | Thank you. |
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| 11:25.21 | Deveyus | Need to comment my code more heavily... |
| 11:25.46 | Benjamin_ | Sorry, I got kicked out |
| 11:25.49 | Benjamin_ | did anyone reply? |
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| 11:30.48 | cbreak | can't you just create your frame inside the mail frame? |
| 11:30.53 | cbreak | (with it as parent) |
| 11:31.09 | Deveyus | I don't know how,I'm knew at this. |
| 11:31.13 | Deveyus | new* |
| 11:31.20 | Deveyus | Stupid K jumping into my sentence. |
| 11:33.41 | Deveyus | Oh well, this is working. |
| 11:40.17 | Deveyus | I'm getting odd behavior that I don't understand. |
| 11:40.45 | Deveyus | My button is there, works great and all, but clicking on the mailframe causes it to disapear? |
| 11:42.09 | Deveyus | Nvm, I figured it out, and remidied it, that was dumb of me. |
| 12:00.48 | Deveyus | What is the equivelent of a 'TextArea' ? |
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| 12:08.39 | Deveyus | Another question: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CheckInbox -- Says to watch for the MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE event, but I'm not sure where to GET the data from when that event fires? |
| 12:25.45 | Angayelle | what's the command to get a summary of global and alocals in wow environnment ? |
| 12:25.56 | Angayelle | locals* |
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| 12:37.45 | amro | Angayelle: you don't want to get all globals, it's pretty nasty |
| 12:39.38 | Angayelle | well i could live without indded, just wanted to know if some of my variables slipped into global without me knowing |
| 12:41.07 | Angayelle | on a side note getting regular damage value from a crit with 3% meta gem is trickier than i thought, cause my formula don't give the results i expected |
| 12:41.50 | Angayelle | nocrit = crit/2.06 |
| 12:43.35 | Angayelle | meta i supposed to come in action as the last part so crit value should be (1.03 + 1.03)*nocrit |
| 12:45.37 | Angayelle | formula which match ingame results is closer to nocrit = crit/2.05 |
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| 12:49.54 | amro | Angayelle: if _G["myvarname"] then myvarname is global |
| 12:50.01 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/FRLiJ.jpg |
| 12:50.02 | A-KO | ^ lol |
| 12:50.33 | amro | that's awesome |
| 12:50.57 | A-KO | wonder if that's in-game or someone private servered that |
| 12:52.18 | nevcairiel | probably fake |
| 12:52.23 | A-KO | still funny |
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| 13:10.45 | Thunder_Child | http://eastore.ea.com/holiday?easid=EAStore-HolidaySale1_herobanner_BuyNow |
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| 13:15.00 | Fisker | naw Thunder_Child |
| 13:15.03 | Fisker | naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 13:15.13 | Thunder_Child | new yourself |
| 13:15.19 | Thunder_Child | s/new/naw/ |
| 13:18.00 | Fisker | that wasn't very nice |
| 13:20.57 | Fisker | do you know who i hate Thunder_Child ? |
| 13:21.08 | Thunder_Child | yourself Fisker? |
| 13:21.19 | Fisker | do you know what i hate Thunder_Child ? |
| 13:21.26 | Thunder_Child | yourself Fisker? |
| 13:21.37 | Fisker | do you know why i hate Thunder_Child ? |
| 13:21.50 | Thunder_Child | genetics Fisker |
| 13:22.10 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 13:24.22 | Nexiuz | Red shirt kid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mghX_hfIF8&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:33.27 | frostgram | has anyone of you successfully completed the bears up there in hyjal `? the ui seems pretty broken |
| 13:34.07 | nevcairiel | what bears? |
| 13:34.15 | nevcairiel | the throw bears of tree quest? |
| 13:34.28 | frostgram | yea |
| 13:34.35 | nevcairiel | i did that month ago, and it worked just fine |
| 13:34.37 | frostgram | i cant get to the top of the trees |
| 13:37.45 | Napoleone | http://pastey.net/142253 |
| 13:38.24 | nevcairiel | unrelated; Any know a good tool to get a second task bar on a secondary screen on windows 7? The ones i tried all suck =/ |
| 13:39.59 | Fisker | taskbard on secondary screen sucks11 |
| 13:40.01 | Fisker | !11* |
| 13:40.06 | Fisker | taskbar* |
| 13:40.11 | nevcairiel | you suck |
| 13:40.35 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:41.32 | amro | nevcairiel: afaik, no good way to do it |
| 13:41.34 | Nexiuz | I used for windows xp/2003 always multimon |
| 13:41.42 | amro | can't wait for plasma to get fully ported |
| 13:41.50 | Nexiuz | no idea if it has win7 support |
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| 13:41.55 | nevcairiel | plasma sucks |
| 13:42.03 | Thunder_Child | ultramon? |
| 13:42.06 | A-KO | nevcairiel: display fusion, but they're all pay |
| 13:42.07 | Thunder_Child | displayfusion? |
| 13:42.13 | A-KO | ultramon is also one |
| 13:42.17 | nevcairiel | i dont care if its pay, it just has to be good |
| 13:42.17 | A-KO | I use display fusion at work |
| 13:42.26 | nevcairiel | ultramon works, but not perfect |
| 13:42.45 | A-KO | nothing's going to be perfect, since they're not 100% native |
| 13:42.47 | nevcairiel | I would love to be able to sticky icons to the secondary bar, and rearrange them by dragging |
| 13:42.53 | nevcairiel | like i can on the main one |
| 13:42.57 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: nvidia or ati? |
| 13:43.02 | nevcairiel | nvidia |
| 13:43.04 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nvidia.com/object/nview_display_us.html |
| 13:43.28 | nevcairiel | that just stretches it |
| 13:43.45 | Thunder_Child | i'm just giving you options |
| 13:45.17 | Napoleone | hmm what about making wow fit 2 screens.. then resizing worldframe back into ratio. |
| 13:45.28 | Napoleone | then uiparent will be available on both screens for your liking |
| 13:45.38 | nevcairiel | where did we get into wow |
| 13:46.06 | A-KO | lol |
| 13:46.06 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: http://www.actualtools.com/multiplemonitors/ |
| 13:46.16 | Napoleone | dunno just woke up and thinking on my code lol so even taking my wake up leak. is a epic questchain |
| 13:46.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont know if it works with 7 |
| 13:46.35 | Thunder_Child | oh, i guess it does |
| 13:46.47 | nevcairiel | it has pin to taskbar |
| 13:46.50 | nevcairiel | i like it already |
| 13:46.51 | nevcairiel | trys |
| 13:48.30 | nevcairiel | awesome, it works exactly like the real one |
| 13:48.32 | nevcairiel | i love it |
| 13:48.36 | nevcairiel | thanks :D |
| 13:48.41 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 13:48.48 | Thunder_Child | and it's $10 cheaper than ultramon |
| 13:49.15 | nevcairiel | the only difference to the real one, the systray expander doesnt go up in a ballon, rather does the xp style thing by expanding it |
| 13:49.18 | nevcairiel | but who cares |
| 13:49.19 | solocommand | anyone speak/play on german client? |
| 13:49.20 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: though what happens when you hit the window key? |
| 13:49.29 | Thunder_Child | windows* |
| 13:49.29 | nevcairiel | main taskbar goes u |
| 13:49.46 | Thunder_Child | meh, it would have been amusing if they all went up |
| 13:50.22 | nevcairiel | hey its extra window decoration buttons work with chrome too |
| 13:50.27 | nevcairiel | for some reason ultramon didnt work with chrome |
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| 14:08.11 | Zasurus | Hi, Does anyone know of a library like libbabble but for achievements localization? |
| 14:13.50 | nevcairiel | you dont need a library for that, the game tells you all the data |
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| 14:18.44 | Deveyus | Are tabs (such as on the mailbox) part of some sort of collection or are they merely an llusion wherin they are buttons that LOOK like tabs and toggle different frames? |
| 14:20.14 | Baps | dev: the latter |
| 14:20.41 | Deveyus | Thought so. Is there an inheritable frame for tabs then? |
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| 14:22.23 | Baps | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTOs has one for creating tabbed windows |
| 14:22.39 | Deveyus | oh? I must've missed it, thanks. |
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| 14:32.35 | Deveyus | Do I need to lookj through the extracted UI files or is there a faster way to determine which artwork resources the inbox uses? |
| 14:33.45 | Baps | postal might be faster |
| 14:34.43 | Deveyus | Uhm... huh? How is postal relevant? I don't recall it making it own unique mailbox tab? |
| 14:38.25 | Computerpunk | Deveyus, it modifies it. |
| 14:38.26 | Computerpunk | iirc. |
| 14:39.20 | Deveyus | Yes, but I was just wanting to create a frame that blended in cleanly as it's own tab, so I wanted it to look like blizzards which meant I needed a way to quickly figure out thier artwork... |
| 14:39.37 | Computerpunk | Then look at FrameXML. |
| 14:39.42 | Computerpunk | oh, dayum, headache. |
| 14:39.43 | Computerpunk | ._. |
| 14:39.57 | Deveyus | Okay, that was the orginial question XD |
| 14:40.39 | Computerpunk | I'm still feeling last night. |
| 14:40.54 | Deveyus | Drink a lot? |
| 14:42.14 | haste | Deveyus: reading the XML is generally pretty fast for figuring out where artwork is used |
| 14:45.56 | Deveyus | I just searched the reference onwowprogramming (all 384 results) and can't find the function for setting the x/y values of a frame... I saw them somewhere, and can't find them now. |
| 14:47.13 | Napoleone | setting the size? |
| 14:47.20 | Deveyus | yeah |
| 14:47.53 | Deveyus | It was like SetFrameX() or something |
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| 14:54.29 | Baps | Dev: SetHeight() SetWidth() |
| 14:54.38 | Deveyus | Ah! |
| 14:54.40 | Deveyus | Ok. |
| 14:54.42 | Deveyus | Thanks much. |
| 14:55.04 | Deveyus | I assume that means GetHieght and GetWidth also exist? |
| 14:55.17 | Baps | wwwwwI believe so |
| 14:55.27 | Deveyus | Excellent. |
| 14:59.58 | Deveyus | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142255 -- doesn't seem to work? |
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| 15:05.37 | MentalPower | bleeter: why the slapping?? |
| 15:09.48 | Fisker | slaps MentalPower around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:13.51 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower: why not? |
| 15:14.29 | MentalPower | cause it was out of the blue... |
| 15:14.40 | Thunder_Child | sounds like the best kind to me |
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| 15:30.47 | _adys | nevcairiel, ping |
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| 15:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | is there a good addon that interfaces with auctioneer to determine costs of raw mats vs the final goods? i've yet to find something that makes doing that easy :/ |
| 15:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | trade barker is somewhat close within auctioneer but it's not always accurate and is kinda fidgety to display |
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| 15:43.16 | A-KO | no Mr_Rabies, but amusingly enough that's an idea for a UI mod that I started on a while ago, but we decided to tackle another problem first. |
| 15:43.29 | A-KO | But I was recently thinking about going back to that |
| 15:49.35 | nevcairiel | adys: pong |
| 15:51.38 | adys_ | nevcairiel, got it nm |
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| 15:53.29 | Jamash | BEWARE, I LIVE |
| 15:54.39 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: you have some awesome replays |
| 16:03.55 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: if by awesome you mean terrible.. =) |
| 16:04.09 | Jamash | terriblawesome |
| 16:04.30 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: which ones? =) |
| 16:04.31 | smcn | terriblific* |
| 16:04.32 | foxlit | No, I mean they have an awesomely wide spectre of play. |
| 16:04.37 | jnwhiteh | I should clearly make a youtube channel |
| 16:04.57 | foxlit | Twilight fortress (4) you lost to someone spamming marines out of a bazillion barracks |
| 16:05.23 | foxlit | Tarsonis assault (3) you won after an epic back-and-forth involving your teammate and like 15 nukes |
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| 16:05.50 | jnwhiteh | yeah =) |
| 16:05.57 | jnwhiteh | mostly I win due to attrition |
| 16:06.01 | jnwhiteh | they quit and I don't. |
| 16:06.02 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:06.10 | foxlit | There's a replay where you defend against a zergling rush but eventually fall when they switch to Roaches |
| 16:06.26 | jnwhiteh | i hate roaches, they're so strong! |
| 16:06.31 | foxlit | marauders |
| 16:06.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:07.29 | foxlit | I think I've developed a sure-fire way to identify you in a 2v2: if, at the 10 minute mark, marines still do not have combat shields, you're playing that terran :) |
| 16:07.53 | Jamash | hyuk hyuk |
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| 16:08.25 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: =) |
| 16:08.30 | jnwhiteh | I forget |
| 16:08.31 | jnwhiteh | I should not. |
| 16:10.00 | foxlit | reactor is usually not a good opening addon |
| 16:10.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah I've learned that |
| 16:10.15 | jnwhiteh | cheaper to build another barracks |
| 16:10.21 | foxlit | Takes ages to build, costs more gas, and marines get eaten by anti-infantry tier 1 |
| 16:10.42 | Thunder_Child | onyone know if someone picked up autobar? |
| 16:10.48 | Thunder_Child | or did something similar |
| 16:11.04 | Gnarfoz | let's hope not |
| 16:11.15 | Thunder_Child | no one is forcing you to use it |
| 16:11.20 | foxlit | Expansion timing is a difficult thing, but my impression is that you're doing it too early. |
| 16:11.32 | Jamash | that's what she said |
| 16:12.23 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: my 9/11/13/15/15 build order seems to be about right |
| 16:12.34 | jnwhiteh | its just whether to build marauders or tech pu to air/siege |
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| 16:13.22 | foxlit | Both. |
| 16:13.33 | foxlit | Gas is the limiting factor; you really do want to have at least a few marauders. |
| 16:13.34 | jnwhiteh | well air or siege? |
| 16:13.41 | jnwhiteh | its tough doing it all at once :P |
| 16:13.57 | foxlit | I find myself not liking siege tanks. |
| 16:14.19 | jnwhiteh | they help a lot against protoss, I've found. |
| 16:14.22 | foxlit | Too troublesome to set up at key locations, and then they lock you to static control points. |
| 16:14.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:14.29 | jnwhiteh | very true. |
| 16:14.41 | Jamash | protip, you can unsiege them |
| 16:14.50 | jnwhiteh | protip, true story =) |
| 16:14.57 | jnwhiteh | woudl I factory for Thor? |
| 16:15.00 | jnwhiteh | or go Viking? |
| 16:15.07 | jnwhiteh | i know there's no rules |
| 16:15.10 | foxlit | Jamash: the siedge/unsiedge cycle leaves them too vulnerable against a mobile army |
| 16:15.11 | jnwhiteh | its just hard to decide =) |
| 16:15.27 | Cide | don't decide me please |
| 16:15.29 | foxlit | So, they're effectively a deterrent for small-force attacks against your gates. |
| 16:15.43 | jnwhiteh | and they draw air |
| 16:15.46 | jnwhiteh | you go siege |
| 16:15.50 | jnwhiteh | and you're gonna get airfucked. |
| 16:16.08 | foxlit | Let me see if I can dig up my last terran game |
| 16:17.35 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 16:19.12 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/Scrap%20Station.SC2Replay |
| 16:19.54 | jnwhiteh | i need to copy that to my library/app support? |
| 16:20.09 | foxlit | You might just be able to open it in SC2 |
| 16:20.16 | jnwhiteh | i |
| 16:20.18 | foxlit | At least windows lets you double-click on the replay file |
| 16:20.20 | jnwhiteh | i've always had issues with that |
| 16:20.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah it doesn't quite work on mac |
| 16:20.36 | foxlit | Hm, check ~/Documents/ |
| 16:21.00 | Fisk3r | there's a workaround for that jnwhiteh |
| 16:21.00 | foxlit | Windows path is ~/My Documents/Starcraft II/.../.../.../Replays/Multiplayer/file.SC2Replay |
| 16:21.24 | Fisk3r | what is "..."? |
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| 16:21.38 | jnwhiteh | Fisk3r: okay, what is it? |
| 16:22.01 | Fisk3r | install windows of course :D |
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| 16:22.50 | Fisk3r | to be fair that's what you get for Blizzard implementing video recording on mac, but not on windows |
| 16:22.56 | Fisk3r | and then leaving out video recording in SC2 |
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| 16:23.29 | brandonjviles | hey everyone |
| 16:24.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisk3r: you are? |
| 16:24.30 | MoonWitch|Mobile | of course i've got clean clothes on and my dog (bordeauxdog) had to wipe his mouth >.< |
| 16:24.42 | Fisk3r | The real Fisker jnwhiteh |
| 16:24.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | every single time -- almost pointless to wear clothes in my house lol |
| 16:24.55 | Fisk3r | just evading some admin abuse at the moment |
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| 16:25.42 | Jamash | Because I'm Fisker, yes I'm the real Fisker all you other Fiskers are just imitating |
| 16:25.50 | Fisk3r | ^^ |
| 16:26.41 | Jamash | brb going from point A to point B by way of point C |
| 16:27.00 | Fisk3r | oh yeah? |
| 16:27.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i just realized that i've got mostly men on my im lists .... |
| 16:27.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that |
| 16:27.32 | MoonWitch|Mobile | s bad |
| 16:28.01 | Hirsute | Autobar provided functionality I haven't found with any other addon. What don't you like about it, Gnarfoz? |
| 16:28.24 | Gnarfoz | I realize that. Its code is horrible. :( |
| 16:28.40 | Napoleone | http://pastey.net/142253 any help please |
| 16:28.43 | foxlit | The problem is horrible |
| 16:28.53 | foxlit | "Get me a bar that has stuff I want in it!" is a very nasty problem. |
| 16:29.02 | Gnarfoz | especially after 2.0 |
| 16:29.15 | foxlit | 2.0 has less to do with it than you might think. |
| 16:29.43 | foxlit | what /exactly/ should be in that bar? :) |
| 16:30.18 | Gnarfoz | the requirement for those buttons to be secure buttons has a lot to do with it :\ |
| 16:30.45 | Gnarfoz | which is not to say that the problem itself is trivial |
| 16:31.42 | brandonjviles | is SetGuildBankItem part of wow api? |
| 16:31.56 | foxlit | I mean, if the only thing that's stopping you is having to deal with securetemplates, use OPie as a wrapper |
| 16:32.37 | Hirsute | foxlit: It was pretty configurable while I was using it. Amazingly nice for me to have a bar, for example, with all my armors on one button as a mage, all my buff food on one button, non-buff food on one button, drink on one button, quest items on one button, all expandable so all I have to do is mouse-over and have it at the point of my mouse. |
| 16:32.52 | Hirsute | I haven't found anything else that provides that, and I've missed it sorely. |
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| 16:35.03 | Iriel | Hm, do they have to be secure buttons -- for a good while they left the item use functions less protected to support autobar like functionality? |
| 16:35.15 | Iriel | I haven't kept up 100% on what they've had to lock down subsequently |
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| 16:37.02 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: since autobar also supports spells, that'd be a moot point, anyway. also, I think they have to be anyway, but I couldn't prove that =) |
| 16:37.26 | Hirsute | Anyhow, it looks like someone may have picked up AutoBar |
| 16:37.58 | Hirsute | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18271-AutoBarMuffin.html |
| 16:39.09 | Iriel | must... fight... compulsion... to... play... diablo... 2 |
| 16:39.18 | nevcairiel | dont fight it |
| 16:39.20 | nevcairiel | play it |
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| 16:40.19 | Iriel | The low resolution hurts my brain |
| 16:40.30 | nevcairiel | no-one will ever need more then 800x600! |
| 16:41.17 | nevcairiel | if you just want a single player kick, there are mods for higher resolutions |
| 16:41.22 | nevcairiel | of course doesnt work with battle.net |
| 16:41.28 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol i just gor a lecture saying i need to eat more and wear smaller clothing.... |
| 16:41.30 | MoonWitch|Mobile | got* |
| 16:41.51 | Napoleone | 1280/800 MINIMUM for me |
| 16:41.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | of all the things i expected ppl to say to me, eating more wasn't one of those.. |
| 16:41.58 | Pneumatus | Iriel: run it windowed then? |
| 16:42.14 | Iriel | Pneumatus: then I have to squint at a tiny window |
| 16:42.29 | Pneumatus | tru dat |
| 16:42.41 | Napoleone | then resize your desktop resolution |
| 16:42.50 | Pneumatus | been replaying wc3 and im surprised it runs at a decent res |
| 16:43.20 | nevcairiel | you shouldnt have started with d2, now i'm feeling it as well |
| 16:43.34 | Iriel | It's all D3's fault really |
| 16:44.20 | Pneumatus | biggest d2 annoyance is the deletion of chars though :< |
| 16:44.25 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 16:44.35 | nevcairiel | have to play quite alot to keep the chars around |
| 16:45.27 | haste | isn't there a hack to play diablo 2 at a higer resolution tho'? |
| 16:45.38 | nevcairiel | like i said, not in battle.net |
| 16:45.50 | haste | ah you mentioned it :3 |
| 16:47.18 | haste | I'm so glad GoG doesn't have Baldur's Gate 2 and the expansion |
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| 16:50.47 | Pneumatus | it's been so long since i played D2 im not even convinced i could work it all out again |
| 16:51.40 | SqueeG | A nerdy roomate in college ruined D2 for me |
| 16:52.10 | haste | I haven't played baldur's gate 2 in years now, only so I can forget everything and play it again! |
| 16:52.27 | haste | so far pretty much everything of icewind dale is gone, but I still remember stuff from bg2 :( |
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| 16:52.50 | haste | last thing I did was play thruogh the game with one hybrid |
| 16:52.56 | Fisk3r | it's haste |
| 16:53.04 | haste | why are you so p3lim Fisk3r ? |
| 16:53.10 | SqueeG | Icewind dale was boring as sin |
| 16:53.18 | SqueeG | BG and BG 2 were amazing though :D |
| 16:53.21 | haste | yeah |
| 16:53.21 | Fisk3r | i need to adminabuseevade haste |
| 16:54.14 | haste | I'm honestly just waiting for BG2 to be available on GoG |
| 16:54.41 | SqueeG | GoG? >.> |
| 16:55.04 | haste | http://www.gog.com/ |
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| 16:57.09 | SqueeG | Caesar 3 xD |
| 16:57.17 | SqueeG | I still have the cds for that >.. |
| 16:59.41 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: i'm sure you wont have to wait long |
| 16:59.53 | Cide | you're so afk adys |
| 17:00.01 | Cide | dare I say... afkdys |
| 17:01.34 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: you're awfully optimistic |
| 17:01.56 | Thunder_Child | Iriel:like you wont be playing in the alpha/beta |
| 17:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | so I got 3h of sleep last night |
| 17:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | got home at 4:00, slept 7:00, back to work |
| 17:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 17:06.23 | Thunder_Child | i have done 50 hours rhis week so far |
| 17:06.27 | Thunder_Child | this* |
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| 17:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm closing in on 70 |
| 17:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | err, /cry |
| 17:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid ? key |
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| 17:12.00 | amro | Cide: that was bad |
| 17:12.06 | Cide | no it was awesome |
| 17:12.21 | amro | maybe in sweden, you guys have low standards |
| 17:12.37 | Cide | I'll lower YOUR standards |
| 17:12.50 | amro | as long as you don't lower my pants |
| 17:12.52 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean 'maybe'? |
| 17:17.09 | SqueeG | oh man! |
| 17:17.16 | SqueeG | GoG has Planescape! |
| 17:17.59 | brandonjviles | function isBT4ButtonAvailable(bnumber) |
| 17:17.59 | brandonjviles | if BT4Button..bnumber:IsShown() then |
| 17:17.59 | brandonjviles | end --- is that okay? |
| 17:18.30 | brandonjviles | can you concatenate a varialbe like that? |
| 17:19.24 | Thunder_Child | SqueeG: i'm glad they dont have nox |
| 17:19.58 | SqueeG | lol |
| 17:20.04 | SqueeG | why's that Thunder_Child? :p |
| 17:20.32 | Thunder_Child | because i never did finish that game, and i would play it again if it was made easily avaliable |
| 17:20.34 | Hirsute | brandonjviles: no, you'd need to do "local b = _G["BT4Button"..bnumber] if b:IsShown() |
| 17:21.00 | SqueeG | lol |
| 17:21.09 | brandonjviles | thanks Hirsute |
| 17:21.18 | Thunder_Child | actually i think i liked icewind dale better than BG |
| 17:21.18 | Napoleone | anyone played in cata beta? |
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| 17:21.30 | Hirsute | Not a soul. |
| 17:21.32 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 17:21.34 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 17:21.38 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Hirsute |
| 17:21.38 | purl | pries Hirsute's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Hirsute |
| 17:21.39 | Jamash | 70 what though |
| 17:21.48 | Thunder_Child | hours i think Jamash |
| 17:22.05 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: But will that new bootldr enable me to run custom roms? |
| 17:22.09 | SqueeG | The Temple of Elemental Evil O_O |
| 17:22.19 | SqueeG | that was 3.5 compliant :D |
| 17:22.28 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute: go find out? |
| 17:22.51 | Hirsute | Okay, fine. |
| 17:23.27 | Thunder_Child | oh crap, they have might and magic |
| 17:23.30 | Hirsute | 21;lkjfai3 ajf;sle3 ji3 al827- |
| 17:24.40 | Thunder_Child | no x-com though |
| 17:26.02 | Hirsute | Well, the rom flashed, but not witih satisfactory results. |
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| 17:37.25 | Jamash | damn it blizzard why can't you check to see if the character has something before putting it in the pumpkin |
| 17:37.26 | Jamash | or make the items boa |
| 17:40.19 | Hirsute | Jamash: boa pumpkin contents would be win. |
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| 17:46.24 | Jamash | I tested ToEE for Atari |
| 17:46.31 | Jamash | it was kind of ok |
| 17:47.20 | Fisk3r | ToEE? |
| 17:50.07 | Computerpunk | Napoleone, I have. |
| 17:50.08 | Computerpunk | Why ask? |
| 17:50.15 | Hirsute | *sigh* It can take longer for the client to stop returning "nil" for GetAuctionItemInfo() for specific auctions after a getAll scan than the minimum wait before the next getAll scan. |
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| 17:52.05 | Fisk3r | tell me Jamash |
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| 17:56.36 | Jamash | temple of elemental eeeeeeeeeeevil |
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| 17:59.05 | Fisk3r | sounds fail Jamash |
| 17:59.16 | Jamash | it was |
| 17:59.53 | Jamash | the developer went out of business during development |
| 18:03.04 | Computerpunk | I still have how WoW returns 0 and 1. |
| 18:03.09 | Computerpunk | Instead of nil/false and true. |
| 18:03.29 | Jamash | blame C++ programmers |
| 18:03.39 | Computerpunk | ^ |
| 18:04.03 | nevcairiel | it doesnt return 0 and 1 |
| 18:04.07 | nevcairiel | it returns 1 and nil |
| 18:04.13 | amro | wait what |
| 18:04.18 | amro | what would that have to do with C++? |
| 18:04.29 | Computerpunk | nevcairiel, that's not what I read on WoWWiki. |
| 18:04.30 | nevcairiel | Its just a remnant of the time when WoW used Lua 4 |
| 18:04.37 | Computerpunk | amro, there is no nil in C++. |
| 18:04.37 | nevcairiel | which didnt have booleans |
| 18:04.42 | nevcairiel | Computerpunk: then wowwiki is wrong. |
| 18:04.49 | Computerpunk | And, through packets, you can't send booleans. |
| 18:04.54 | Computerpunk | only uint8(0) or uint8(1) |
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| 18:05.06 | amro | Computerpunk: there is no need for nil in C++, and what would that have to do with wowlua? |
| 18:05.07 | Computerpunk | whereas uint8 == char in size. |
| 18:05.21 | Computerpunk | amro, Server <-> Client communication. |
| 18:05.30 | nevcairiel | but 0 in C is actually false |
| 18:05.34 | amro | what are you talking about |
| 18:05.34 | nevcairiel | where in Lua, its true |
| 18:05.52 | amro | char is 4 bytes not 8 |
| 18:05.54 | amro | er |
| 18:05.56 | amro | wow |
| 18:05.56 | Computerpunk | amro, imagine this: Client gets (some of) its data from the server. |
| 18:06.03 | Computerpunk | amro, iirc, it's 8. |
| 18:06.03 | nevcairiel | char is 1 byte |
| 18:06.06 | amro | yes |
| 18:06.06 | Computerpunk | 1* |
| 18:06.08 | Computerpunk | 8 bits |
| 18:06.10 | Computerpunk | sorry. |
| 18:06.12 | Computerpunk | not bytes. |
| 18:06.18 | Computerpunk | uint8 = 8bit integer. |
| 18:06.23 | amro | regardless it has nothing to do with wowlua |
| 18:06.27 | amro | wowlua doesn't communicate with the server |
| 18:06.40 | Shirik | there is a need for nil in C++ |
| 18:06.40 | Computerpunk | Oh, so events are triggered purely client-side? |
| 18:06.41 | Computerpunk | No. |
| 18:06.45 | Shirik | and that's why they're adding it |
| 18:06.50 | Shirik | except they call it nullptr |
| 18:06.51 | amro | Shirik: it's not a "nil" |
| 18:06.55 | nevcairiel | It is just 1/nil because the foundation of it was created when it was still Lua 4 |
| 18:06.55 | amro | it's a null pointer |
| 18:06.59 | nevcairiel | which does not have booleans |
| 18:07.03 | Shirik | it's their version of nil :) |
| 18:07.14 | amro | yeah, but it serves a very different purpose |
| 18:07.29 | Shirik | to indicate the lack of a value |
| 18:07.32 | amro | anyway, if you're writing proper code then 1/nil or true/false wouldn't make a difference |
| 18:07.38 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 18:07.59 | Shirik | actually |
| 18:08.00 | amro | Shirik: it's only equivalent if you're using void* or something crazy like that |
| 18:08.03 | Shirik | there is a slight problem with 1/nil |
| 18:08.14 | Shirik | you can't be sure the return value can be stored in a table |
| 18:08.25 | Shirik | but that's it |
| 18:08.47 | nevcairiel | its easy enough to map to false, if you must |
| 18:08.50 | Shirik | agreed |
| 18:08.59 | amro | actually, it can. if tbl["somereturn"] then would still behave properly |
| 18:09.00 | nevcairiel | just not not it, looks ugly, but works :d |
| 18:09.13 | nevcairiel | it just ends up being weird in array tables |
| 18:09.22 | amro | yeah |
| 18:09.49 | Jamash | this whole conversation is fail |
| 18:09.56 | Shirik | your face is fail |
| 18:09.58 | nevcairiel | we're bored |
| 18:09.58 | amro | ^ |
| 18:10.01 | Jamash | your mom is fail |
| 18:10.16 | amro | your sister is f... wait, she knew what she was doing |
| 18:10.51 | amro | shirik help me out, opengl is being mean to me |
| 18:11.02 | Shirik | opengl is evil |
| 18:11.22 | Cide | use direct3d |
| 18:11.25 | amro | no |
| 18:11.34 | Shirik | use DOS interrupts |
| 18:11.38 | amro | yes. |
| 18:12.01 | nevcairiel | I challenge you to write a game using only dos interrupts |
| 18:12.04 | nevcairiel | you have 2 hours |
| 18:12.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:12.13 | amro | nevcairiel is REALLY bored |
| 18:12.36 | amro | anyway, I'm setting alpha to 0 but these frames are still rendering. I know I'm missing something super trivial |
| 18:12.40 | amro | I just can't figure it out :( |
| 18:12.44 | nevcairiel | its actually been years since i touched that kinda stuff, i dont think i could write anything with it anymore :p |
| 18:14.26 | amro | step debugging to the rescue |
| 18:14.33 | Shirik | there's um |
| 18:14.42 | Shirik | something you have to turn on to enable alpha, right? |
| 18:14.58 | Cide | for what? |
| 18:15.04 | Shirik | for opengl |
| 18:15.24 | amro | yes, blending |
| 18:15.25 | amro | it's on |
| 18:16.07 | Cide | but will it blend? |
| 18:16.32 | nevcairiel | if even an iPhone blends, i'm sure his frames will |
| 18:16.33 | amro | ! |
| 18:16.52 | amro | nope, still solid as granite |
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| 18:28.42 | Lulia | Hey guys |
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| 18:48.03 | A-KO | http://i56.tinypic.com/2qs3sxh.jpg < lots of people in DC today |
| 18:48.28 | Spejnar | keep fear alive and rally to restore sanity |
| 18:48.37 | Spejnar | colbert "vs" stewert |
| 18:50.09 | A-KO | yep |
| 18:51.03 | Shirik | "unary" is 1, "binary" is 2, "trinary" is 3 |
| 18:51.05 | Shirik | what about 0? |
| 18:51.13 | Stanzilla | ovonary! |
| 18:51.27 | Programming_ | please, quick help, how can i check if a frame exists? |
| 18:51.55 | Shirik | what do you mean by exists? |
| 18:52.27 | Programming_ | if it is loaded in an addon |
| 18:52.30 | Shirik | I think you're asking the wrong question. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:52.54 | Programming_ | i want to anchor to a frame, only if it exists |
| 18:53.21 | Shirik | so you must have a handle to that frame, right? |
| 18:53.27 | Shirik | reference* |
| 18:53.39 | Programming_ | yeah |
| 18:53.45 | Shirik | so check if your reference is nil |
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| 18:54.45 | Programming_ | so if Frame then ... else stop |
| 18:58.04 | Programming_ | ok, a little progress there except i ended up creating a butch of frames unexpectedly |
| 19:03.00 | Programming_ | local b = _G["BT4Button"..bnumber] |
| 19:03.00 | Programming_ | if b then... |
| 19:03.17 | Programming_ | its true cuz b has a value.. |
| 19:03.49 | Programming_ | i need to check if the b's value is tre |
| 19:03.51 | Programming_ | true |
| 19:06.41 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 19:06.44 | Gnarfoz | you're already doing that |
| 19:06.57 | Gnarfoz | anything but nil and false is 'true' |
| 19:08.48 | Programming_ | ill just pastey then you can look, see why its always evaluating it to be true even when i know the frame doesnt exit |
| 19:08.53 | Programming_ | exist |
| 19:10.08 | Gnarfoz | how /do/ you know? |
| 19:10.09 | Lulia | Just curious. I know that tables are references in lua, are frames considered references too? AddOn.GlobalF = CreateFrame("FRAME", UIParent); local f = AddOn.GlobalF; does f point to AddOn.GlobalF or make a frame as a copy of GlobalF? |
| 19:10.27 | Programming_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.05 | Gnarfoz | Lulia: reference |
| 19:11.19 | Lulia | That's what I thought, just wanted to confirm. Thanks, Gnarfoz :) |
| 19:11.20 | Programming_ | i know because when it creates the resulting frame, it covers the entire screen as if the parent didnt exist |
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| 19:14.22 | Programming_ | do you see why it would evaluate true if the frame didnt exist? |
| 19:15.35 | Hirsute | Really stupid question that I'm just blocking on: If a frame is hidden, will its event handler still get called for events its registered for? |
| 19:16.20 | nichdu | yes |
| 19:16.34 | Hirsute | nichdu: Okay, thanks! |
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| 19:22.03 | silvaras | hi, is anyone available to assist me? |
| 19:22.15 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 19:22.15 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:22.41 | Thunder_Child | however, weekends are a bit lighter in people actually paying attention in this channel |
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| 19:25.36 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 19:25.44 | pantsninja | Thunder_Child: but that's only because there's less people bored at work |
| 19:25.45 | Fisker | do you have issues with the market? |
| 19:25.49 | Fisker | I can't update apps at the moment |
| 19:25.52 | Fisker | or download them |
| 19:26.20 | Thunder_Child | pantsninja: more like people in here think that they actaully have lives and go out on the weekends |
| 19:26.26 | Thunder_Child | but they are just faking it |
| 19:26.27 | pantsninja | whut? |
| 19:26.37 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 19:26.56 | pantsninja | man, and I thought that the last two months I was out of town on business trips was real |
| 19:27.07 | Thunder_Child | well, thats not social |
| 19:27.07 | silvaras | A function is causing a repeating error: arithmetic on a nil value. I'm still fairly new to lua. Trying to figure out a way to solve it. local p = (self.start - (GetTime() - self.duration))/self.duration where duration is a nil value |
| 19:27.44 | silvaras | it's from a timer function. |
| 19:28.18 | Hirsute | Okay, so remind me, as wowpedia isn't wanting to serve me pages at the moment, what is going to get passed to my event handler now? All the same information, just not as globals? |
| 19:29.09 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:30.47 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:31.36 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:32.33 | Baps | silv: if it's nil, it's not set to anything. So you need to find where it supposed to be being set and find out why it's not |
| 19:35.56 | Hirsute | So, I'm guessing my frame's OnEvent script will be passed: self,event, then any arguments pertaining to the event, is this correct? |
| 19:36.22 | sylvanaar | sounds good |
| 19:37.02 | sylvanaar | OnEvent(frame, event, ...) |
| 19:37.19 | Hirsute | Okay, so really the only difference in that between 3.3.x and 4.x is that instead of myframe_OnEvent(), I have to do myframe_OnEvent(self,event,...), as those things are no longer global, yes? |
| 19:37.35 | sylvanaar | pretty much |
| 19:37.40 | Hirsute | Okay, cheers. |
| 19:38.02 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:38.05 | Fisker | you are a bad man |
| 19:38.34 | Shirik | Fisker :( |
| 19:39.12 | Fisker | :) Shirik |
| 19:40.37 | Fisker | you don't like me Shirik ? |
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| 19:46.15 | Programming_ | figured it out - return "false" ~= return false |
| 19:46.32 | Hirsute | Programming_: very true. |
| 19:46.33 | Programming_ | stupid stupid stupid |
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| 19:47.33 | pantsninja | grumbles |
| 19:48.35 | pantsninja | jnwhiteh: I'm flipping through your book, and I just tried to type in a search... -_- |
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| 20:10.22 | Napoleone | anyone played with tooltips.. my window is showing but twhen i send it a item or anything.. it just dissappears no errpr |
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| 20:11.45 | Hirsute | Sounds like you might have something in your code hiding it. |
| 20:12.25 | Napoleone | hmmz |
| 20:13.19 | Napoleone | where can i see what the minimum is to have a GameToolip frame? |
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| 20:19.49 | Napoleone | nothing fills it out at all |
| 20:20.33 | Napoleone | i ahve set width height and point. is more needed? |
| 20:21.16 | Napoleone | when i /reload i have the frame withthe texture up.. and framestack finds it. |
| 20:25.06 | Hirsute | Have you created at least one font object and set the text for that font object? |
| 20:25.26 | Napoleone | does it need 1 font object? |
| 20:26.32 | jnwhiteh | pantsninja: lol |
| 20:26.34 | jnwhiteh | that's awesome. |
| 20:26.42 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:26.57 | pantsninja | jnwhiteh: well, I just tried to copy and paste, too. |
| 20:27.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:27.13 | pantsninja | jnwhiteh: your book isn't nearly as interactive as I'd hope. Your UI kinda sucks. |
| 20:27.23 | jnwhiteh | awww I'ms orry! |
| 20:27.36 | pantsninja | disabling all these functions so I can't do this |
| 20:27.36 | pantsninja | pfft |
| 20:27.37 | pantsninja | :) |
| 20:28.13 | Fisker | jnwhiteh hates me :( |
| 20:28.14 | pantsninja | jnwhiteh: but it's pretty awesome so far, so thanks |
| 20:28.18 | jnwhiteh | do I Fisker? |
| 20:28.21 | jnwhiteh | pantsninja: thanks =) |
| 20:28.43 | Fisker | yeah jnwhiteh :( |
| 20:29.00 | Fisker | omg |
| 20:29.03 | Fisker | it finally worked |
| 20:29.20 | Fisker | jnwhiteh obviously run the android market |
| 20:29.37 | jnwhiteh | this is true. |
| 20:29.40 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: i rarely ignore you |
| 20:29.44 | jnwhiteh | sometimes I'm just not here =) |
| 20:31.58 | Fisker | well maybe it didn't work after all |
| 20:32.03 | Fisker | download stalled halfway there |
| 20:32.07 | Fisker | 42%(zomg) to be exact |
| 20:33.59 | pantsninja | ok, let's try out my brand new first addon evar! |
| 20:35.05 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh |
| 20:35.12 | Fisker | try to update to google maps 4.6.0 |
| 20:35.15 | Fisker | and tell me how far you get : |
| 20:35.16 | Fisker | :o |
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| 20:40.52 | Napoleone | where can i see what is needed minimum for all widgets? |
| 20:41.23 | Lulia | Size and position? |
| 20:42.49 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know if auctioneer is built to permit third-party searcher plugins? |
| 20:43.53 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut is awesome |
| 20:44.05 | ZorbaTHut | TRUE |
| 20:44.27 | Napoleone | seems like it no... since gametooltip doesnt work only on first reload |
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| 20:45.09 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: Yes, anyone can write a module for Auctioneer. |
| 20:45.21 | ZorbaTHut | hirsute, neat, thanks |
| 20:48.57 | ZorbaTHut | your documentation may be obsolete, in that case, since it doesn't mention the ability to make a searcher for auctioneer :P |
| 20:49.45 | ZorbaTHut | well, I'll figure it out. |
| 20:51.14 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: Documentation has been beyond obsolete for some time now :P |
| 20:51.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, fair enough. IMHO that should be documented ;) |
| 20:51.58 | Fisker | i have a magic wand Shirik |
| 20:51.59 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: my phone is in a UPS warehouse right now |
| 20:52.02 | jnwhiteh | I won't have it until Monday |
| 20:52.03 | Cide | but then it's not obsolete anymore, ZorbaTHut |
| 20:52.11 | Fisker | why that jnwhiteh ? |
| 20:52.12 | ZorbaTHut | you can still leave the bulk of it obsolete |
| 20:52.14 | Fisker | new phone/repair/? |
| 20:52.21 | ZorbaTHut | you can just have a comment at the top saying "EVERYTHING AFTER THIS LINE IS PROBABLY WRONG" |
| 20:52.24 | jnwhiteh | bluetooth chip stopped working |
| 20:52.32 | Fisker | :E |
| 20:52.50 | jnwhiteh | the mac address wouldn't even show up in system info |
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| 20:52.52 | jnwhiteh | so =) |
| 20:52.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bo *!*Flowy@91.148.3.223 eir] by eir |
| 20:53.01 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 20:53.04 | jnwhiteh | flowy was banned? |
| 20:53.17 | Cide | wtf eir ? |
| 20:53.32 | Cide | or did you make it a tempban and that was the automatic removal |
| 20:53.33 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: Shirik tried last night, missed and hit me instead :/ |
| 20:53.37 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 20:53.52 | Cide | why would bans be managed by a bot? |
| 20:54.24 | Shirik | because |
| 20:54.25 | MoonWitch | Flowy was banned? |
| 20:54.30 | Cide | not anymore |
| 20:54.32 | Shirik | permabans are bad |
| 20:54.35 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:54.38 | Cide | but why would a bot manage it |
| 20:54.42 | MoonWitch | oh he's unbanned now |
| 20:54.46 | Cide | it should be built-in in the ircd |
| 20:54.49 | Shirik | because humans forget |
| 20:54.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:54.55 | Shirik | dunno |
| 20:54.59 | Cide | that's so fail |
| 20:55.12 | Cide | they got a new ircd just a year ago too |
| 20:55.23 | Cide | already fail! |
| 20:55.26 | MoonWitch | anyhow -- me going offline :) |
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| 21:05.59 | olafski | aw poor flowy :( |
| 21:07.17 | Lulia | Hmm, this is odd. |
| 21:07.30 | Lulia | Emerald Editor expects [[ ]] to be a block comment for lua |
| 21:07.33 | Lulia | O.o |
| 21:09.09 | Jamash | well, it can be |
| 21:09.20 | Jamash | but it can also be a multiline string, right? |
| 21:09.57 | Lulia | I dunno, but it refuses to highlight --[[ ]] as a block comment |
| 21:10.03 | Lulia | However it highlights [[ ]] |
| 21:10.13 | Jamash | odd |
| 21:10.23 | Lulia | The highlight [[ ]] isn't the standard comment color, so maybe it's highlighting it as a multi line string |
| 21:11.27 | Shirik | yeah sounds like it's confused |
| 21:11.36 | Shirik | [[ ]] is a multiline string |
| 21:12.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:12.17 | Fisker | pudding |
| 21:12.20 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 21:12.27 | Jamash | did someone say pudding? |
| 21:12.42 | Fisker | yeah |
| 21:12.46 | Jamash | gimme |
| 21:13.27 | Fisker | no |
| 21:13.29 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 21:13.34 | Jamash | fine, be that way |
| 21:13.49 | Fisker | you don't want my pee pudding? |
| 21:15.28 | Programming_ | Lulia, --[[ --]] is block comment |
| 21:15.36 | Lulia | I'm aware |
| 21:15.43 | Lulia | well |
| 21:15.47 | Lulia | it's actually --[[ ]] |
| 21:15.56 | Programming_ | oh, thats not what you put up there |
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| 21:16.13 | Lulia | Try reading the whole discussion next time ;) |
| 21:16.35 | Programming_ | i did |
| 21:16.56 | Programming_ | i didnt realize --[[ ]] worked aswell |
| 21:17.39 | Lulia | I made that mistake at first too, because one of the sites out there shows it as --[[ --]] |
| 21:18.04 | Lulia | But you can use --[[ ]] for inline comments as well as multi-line, whereas --]] will block out the rest of the line |
| 21:18.50 | Maldivia | Lulia: no, the -- is inside the comment |
| 21:18.56 | Shirik | There's a reason people do --[ --]] |
| 21:19.01 | Maldivia | lua> print("hello " .. --[[ world --]] "world") |
| 21:19.02 | lua_bot | Maldivia: hello world |
| 21:19.07 | Shirik | Because then if you want to undo the comment, you just put another set of dashes |
| 21:19.17 | Shirik | ----[[ on one line then a few lines then --]] |
| 21:19.22 | Shirik | means that it's no longer a block comment |
| 21:19.41 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 21:19.42 | Napoleone | GameTooltip:SetOwner(frame [, "anchorType" [, xOffset [, yOffset]]]) hmm the ancho types i get.. i kinda want BOTTOMLEFT TOPLEFT style.. |
| 21:19.49 | Maldivia | Shirik: yeah, but that means the end also becomes a block comment |
| 21:19.56 | Shirik | eh? |
| 21:20.31 | Maldivia | that only works of the "--]]" doesn't have anything important after it |
| 21:20.36 | Shirik | you mean a line comment |
| 21:20.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:20.46 | Maldivia | sorry, yeah - line comment |
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| 21:25.45 | Napoleone | what function is it that runs when you click a hyperlink in a frame? |
| 21:25.46 | Jamash | --[==[SUPER COMMENT]==] |
| 21:26.28 | Napoleone | --[1337[ This is a ELITE Comemnt ]1337]-- |
| 21:26.35 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnHyperlinkClick |
| 21:26.37 | Shirik | --[==========[HYPER COMMENT]==] oshi-tricked you ]==========] |
| 21:26.38 | Jamash | no |
| 21:27.12 | Napoleone | thanks |
| 21:30.22 | Shirik | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/MNyo8.png |
| 21:32.50 | haste | awesome~ |
| 21:34.03 | Napoleone | wow i actually made it work.. |
| 21:34.14 | Napoleone | Pringles and cola.. thats the godly brain essense ;P |
| 21:35.34 | Napoleone | soo much hairpulling with this lol |
| 21:36.28 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:36.54 | bleeter | MentalPower: slapping because I swore I sent you a RealID request, then noticed that I could send it again leading me to believe you declined my original request, or that I fail |
| 21:37.10 | bleeter | MentalPower: hence, if I failed, you still know failure hence I still rightfully slap you! :P |
| 21:38.40 | bleeter | attacks Fisker with a parrot |
| 21:39.16 | bleeter | MentalPower: basically, it's all cog|away's fault. with a little bit of Ackis thrown in for good measure ;) |
| 21:39.33 | Jamash | charges at bleeter with a banana held in a threatening position |
| 21:41.42 | Shirik | .. |
| 21:42.07 | bleeter | is getting mighty sick and tired of having to log into a game just to see if someone's online |
| 21:42.14 | bleeter | waves to Shirik |
| 21:44.03 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: if it makes you feel better, an external battle.net client is in the works |
| 21:44.24 | nevcairiel | for extre monthly moneys |
| 21:44.29 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: that makes me feel no better. shit should be striaght up xmpp |
| 21:44.37 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: i dont think so |
| 21:45.00 | bleeter | yeah I don't think the market will ever be ready for a pya-for-chat client |
| 21:45.12 | bleeter | it'd need some hefty additional services above just bnet |
| 21:45.27 | nevcairiel | they talked about adding out-of-game chatting to WoW specifically, not battle.net in general, which would be added to the external AH app |
| 21:45.35 | nevcairiel | which isntfree |
| 21:46.05 | Fisker | slaps bleeter around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:47.52 | Lulia | So, I have this button which resets the player's layout to class defaults. I've been playing around with it a bit, but I can't understand why it's not always working properly. What often happens is you'll hit it and the object might move or resize a little, but it generally won't go back to the size it's supposed to be in the place it's supposed to be. |
| 21:48.00 | bleeter | nevcairiel: $ a month to see if someone's online from time to time? pass. cheaper to call on the phone ;) |
| 21:48.07 | Lulia | Then if you do a /reload, the AddOn shows up where it's supposed to be in the size that it's supposed to be. |
| 21:48.32 | Lulia | Thus I know that the values are being changed properly, but the frame isn't reflecting them until a reload, for unknown reasons. This is the script: http://paste.wowace.com/2749/ |
| 21:48.56 | Lulia | It's my understanding that if I change a frame's size, it should update with the changed size right when the size is changed, no? |
| 21:50.07 | Maldivia | unless there are anchors in place that prohibits that size change |
| 21:50.31 | Lulia | There aren't, to my knowledge, since the user can resize it, hence the need for a reset button. |
| 21:50.33 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 21:51.03 | Lulia | Though, now that I think about it... |
| 21:51.03 | Maldivia | well, if the frame is anchored in both left and right size, then changing the width does nothing, since the anchors in place determine the width |
| 21:51.17 | Lulia | When they stop moving it, the anchors to move it should be set to false; |
| 21:51.39 | Lulia | PowerBars.Base.Resource.Frame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "TOP", 0, -400); |
| 21:51.44 | Lulia | That's its anchor |
| 21:52.04 | Maldivia | do you set other anchors on it - a frame cna have multiple anchors |
| 21:52.55 | Jamash | what's the purpose of calling GetPoint() with no arguments? |
| 21:52.59 | Lulia | Not to my knowledge. |
| 21:53.22 | Lulia | GetPoint() with no arguements returns the values you see collected |
| 21:53.58 | Jamash | oh so it's the same as GetPoint(1)? |
| 21:54.18 | Lulia | I assume so |
| 21:54.34 | Lulia | I know that part works, if it didnt, the frames wouldn't go back to the properp lace and size on a reload |
| 21:54.43 | Jamash | it might |
| 21:55.00 | Jamash | or it might not |
| 21:55.27 | Lulia | It's never failed before |
| 21:56.28 | Lulia | Maldivia: The only anchors I set are in the initial SetPoint, I wasn't even aware I could set other anchors in lua. |
| 21:56.53 | Lulia | Making it movable and resizable didn't change anything, hmm |
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| 21:58.32 | Jamash | brb going from point B back to point A (by way of point C again) |
| 22:01.32 | Maldivia | Lulia: btw, you might want to use the seconds return value of UnitClass when comparing |
| 22:01.56 | Lulia | seconds return value? |
| 22:02.10 | Maldivia | local class, engClass = UnitClass("player") |
| 22:02.15 | adys_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule |
| 22:02.16 | adys_ | woo |
| 22:02.16 | Maldivia | if engClass == "DRUID" then |
| 22:02.40 | Lulia | I tried doing that but they stopped matching |
| 22:03.17 | Maldivia | the second value is all uppercase, and no spaces |
| 22:03.48 | nevcairiel | adys: like they need a page describing their release schedule, i already know when 12.10 is going to be released |
| 22:04.10 | Lulia | I realize that, and I tried it when I started adding Death Knight stuff and it didn't match "DEATHKNIGHT" |
| 22:04.11 | Maldivia | Lulia: for instance, in a french client you would get "Guerrier" instead of "Warrior" as the first return value, but the second would be "WARRIOR" on both |
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| 22:04.50 | Lulia | O.o |
| 22:05.07 | Maldivia | well, log on to a death knight and do /dump UnitClass"player" |
| 22:05.21 | Maldivia | and you should see "Death Knight", "DEATHKNIGHT" written |
| 22:06.26 | Lulia | I see that when I type /script print |
| 22:06.37 | Lulia | Which is why I tried using "DEATHKNIGHT" but it didn't match in my function |
| 22:06.41 | Lulia | Is what I'm saying |
| 22:06.50 | Maldivia | how did you compare ? |
| 22:06.56 | Lulia | I did UnitClass("Player") == "DEATHKNIGHT" somewhere and it failed |
| 22:07.04 | Maldivia | that would also be wrong |
| 22:07.15 | Maldivia | select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "DEATHKNIGHT" |
| 22:07.21 | Hirsute | select(2,UnitClass("Player") |
| 22:07.28 | Hirsute | Yes, that |
| 22:07.32 | Maldivia | or local _, class = UnitClass("player") |
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| 22:07.36 | Maldivia | if class == "DEATHKNIGHT" then ... |
| 22:07.56 | Maldivia | incase you don't want to make repeated function calls |
| 22:08.12 | Lulia | Alright, well, that can be changed |
| 22:08.15 | Lulia | However |
| 22:08.38 | Lulia | That's not really the source of this current issue :P |
| 22:09.04 | Maldivia | well, it will be if the addon is used by people with non-english clients :) |
| 22:09.21 | Lulia | It will be fixed, but I'm trying to fix this first. |
| 22:09.33 | Lulia | Since, you know, it doesn't work for ANYONE right now |
| 22:09.36 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 22:10.09 | Maldivia | looking at your OnClick code, what exactly is happening whne you click it - is it being moved to center, but not being resized correctly, or = |
| 22:10.45 | Lulia | It's moved to somewhere along the center Y-axis, with its position seeming to be determined to whatever it's sized to. |
| 22:10.46 | Maldivia | also, there shoudln't be any reason to reanchor .Textures and .Layered.Frame |
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| 22:10.52 | Lulia | It's resized a little, but not to the correct size. |
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| 22:11.11 | Lulia | I simply tried reanchoring them to see if that was the issue, but it wasn't. |
| 22:11.29 | Maldivia | the way you're anchoring it, you're saying the center if the frame should be 400 units from the top of the screen |
| 22:11.40 | Lulia | Correct |
| 22:11.51 | Maldivia | so it should be right horizontally centered, vertically -400 units from top |
| 22:11.59 | Lulia | Yes |
| 22:12.05 | Lulia | But that's not always the result. |
| 22:12.14 | Lulia | In fact, more often than not, that isn't the result. |
| 22:12.42 | Maldivia | have you tried moving the ClearAllPoints call to the start of the function, before the resizing ? |
| 22:12.55 | Lulia | hmm, nope |
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| 22:13.06 | Maldivia | and the last 4 lines shouldn't be there, doesn't make any sense |
| 22:13.06 | pantsninja | on the beta, I'm not getting my addon Lua Errors unless I logout/log back in. if I /console reloadui, I'm getting addon errors from WoW's FrameXML. Anyone else seeing this? |
| 22:14.03 | Maldivia | pantsninja: well, events aren't happening in the same order on a login and on a reload, so that might be causing a bug in some addon, that shows as a bug in the framexml |
| 22:14.24 | pantsninja | All my addon does right now is register events |
| 22:14.40 | Maldivia | do you use other addons ? |
| 22:14.40 | pantsninja | and prints to the console when it registers events |
| 22:14.41 | pantsninja | >_< |
| 22:14.46 | pantsninja | I disabled them |
| 22:14.58 | Maldivia | what's the error you're getting, and where ? |
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| 22:15.02 | nevcairiel | also, the feedback tool is broken, like always, and always errors on non-pet classes, as far as i can see |
| 22:15.06 | Lulia | Sadly that didn't fix the issue, Maldivia. Hmm. |
| 22:15.11 | Lulia | Going to try something else. |
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| 22:16.17 | pantsninja | Maldivia: http://pastebin.com/GagCNAJP <-- the error I'm getting with reloadui |
| 22:17.32 | pantsninja | I get the error even with all addons disabled |
| 22:17.36 | pantsninja | so it's a Blizz issue |
| 22:17.41 | nevcairiel | you broke it :( |
| 22:17.45 | Maldivia | :) |
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| 22:18.16 | pantsninja | but it's also preventing my addon's errors from being displayed |
| 22:18.23 | nevcairiel | I havent bothered to login on beta in the latest build, as they broke the restricted environment anyway, and thats all i need to develop my new features |
| 22:18.26 | nevcairiel | so i wouldnt know! |
| 22:19.24 | pantsninja | *stab* |
| 22:19.46 | pantsninja | also, I'm dumb and don't know how to register events properly, I guess |
| 22:19.54 | Hirsute | Win. I think we've got the problems with Auctioneer's GetAll scanning just about resolved. |
| 22:19.55 | pantsninja | but that's my problem, not Blizz's |
| 22:20.23 | nevcairiel | cant blame blizz for dumbness |
| 22:20.28 | pantsninja | (I'm going library-less at the moment) |
| 22:21.04 | Hirsute | It's also nice to be more certain that people claiming "this other AH addon scans just fine..." were wrong, and that in at least most cases, the other addons were having the same issues we were, and just not checking enough to notice it. |
| 22:21.13 | Maldivia | pantsninja: see http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events |
| 22:21.35 | nevcairiel | s/wowwiki.com/wowpedia.org/ |
| 22:21.46 | Maldivia | no - since wowpedia.org is crashed right now |
| 22:21.51 | Hirsute | Now, if I could figure out what I'm doing that's causing this "attempted coroutine yield across metatable/C-routine boundary" error, life would be happy. |
| 22:21.52 | nevcairiel | I just went there |
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| 22:22.02 | Hirsute | Maldivia speaks the truth. It won't serve any pages to me, either. |
| 22:22.20 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: is SO crashtastic at the moment |
| 22:22.21 | nevcairiel | shrug, i'm looking at the handling events page on there right now |
| 22:22.43 | Maldivia | yeah, not it's working, 2 minutes ago I got the curse error message |
| 22:22.47 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Then apparently it loves you and hates Maldivia and I. |
| 22:22.49 | Hirsute | cries |
| 22:22.52 | nevcairiel | i didnt notice it today, but the last week or so i got loads of those curse backend server error |
| 22:22.58 | Thunder_Child | wowpedia is working just fine for me |
| 22:23.09 | pantsninja | Maldivia: yar. I seem to be having a problem where for event in pairs(eventHandlers) do...end isn't working |
| 22:23.43 | Maldivia | hmm, and why are you doing that? |
| 22:23.56 | pantsninja | Because I'm registering 5 events at the moment |
| 22:24.11 | pantsninja | and I might add more in the future |
| 22:24.23 | pantsninja | and I don't want to have to do if/else for everything |
| 22:24.38 | nevcairiel | without libraries, i always liked the simple event name = method name approach, makes dispatching so much easier |
| 22:24.46 | Maldivia | so frame:RegisterEvent("event1") frame:RegisterEvent("event2") ... etc frame:AddScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if event == "event1" then ... elseif event == "event2" then ... etc etc |
| 22:25.19 | pantsninja | Maldivia: yeah. That's what I'm trying to avoid doing |
| 22:25.28 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2753/ |
| 22:25.40 | Lulia | Changed Reset to that, Maldivia |
| 22:25.43 | Lulia | Still no dice. |
| 22:25.47 | Jamash | shouldn't that be for event, handler in pairs(eventHandlers) do...end |
| 22:25.53 | Maldivia | or if you like the dispatching, function Handlers.event1(self, event, ...) -- and then in the OnEvent = function(self, event, ...) if Handlers[event] then Handlers[event](self, event, ...) end |
| 22:25.56 | nevcairiel | iterating event handlers doesnt seem too useful |
| 22:26.15 | pantsninja | http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events#Lua-specific <-- is what I'm trying to do |
| 22:27.01 | pantsninja | Alternatively, pg 1321 in WoW Programming |
| 22:27.11 | nevcairiel | thats how i would do it, except i dont see any loops in there |
| 22:27.31 | Jamash | last three lines |
| 22:27.44 | pantsninja | nevcairiel: the last three lines is a loop |
| 22:27.44 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: it loops through the event handler table, and auto-registeres for events with every entry it finds |
| 22:27.44 | nevcairiel | that dont count |
| 22:27.46 | Jamash | yes it does |
| 22:28.18 | Jamash | so what's the problem, pantsninja? |
| 22:28.27 | pantsninja | Jamash: it's not entering the loop |
| 22:28.40 | Lulia | Just threw in some prints to check the points, but since I use ClearAllPoints on it |
| 22:28.42 | Jamash | is the table name correct? |
| 22:28.48 | pantsninja | yup |
| 22:28.50 | Lulia | It has 0 points when I try to reposition it via SetPoint |
| 22:28.52 | pantsninja | C&P |
| 22:28.53 | Jamash | are you suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure? |
| 22:28.56 | Jamash | hm |
| 22:29.01 | Lulia | So points are definitely NOT the issue. |
| 22:29.08 | pantsninja | Jamash: yes. |
| 22:29.14 | Hirsute | pantsninja: it looked like you were missing a variable in your for statement. |
| 22:29.36 | pantsninja | Hirsute: I believe it is optional, but I also added in a variable just for shits n' giggles |
| 22:29.58 | Hirsute | And still no dice? |
| 22:30.03 | pantsninja | yup :) |
| 22:30.04 | nevcairiel | he didnt show any code, so i wouldnt know whats wrong :p |
| 22:30.27 | pantsninja | http://pastebin.com/xrAdfJax |
| 22:30.35 | pantsninja | I see "Hello" |
| 22:30.43 | pantsninja | and not the print statement |
| 22:30.46 | Maldivia | = nil mean don't set it |
| 22:30.49 | pantsninja | in the loop |
| 22:30.57 | nevcairiel | you cant have table entrys with nil values |
| 22:30.59 | Maldivia | so you're not setting anything |
| 22:31.12 | Hirsute | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:31.13 | pantsninja | ok |
| 22:31.15 | Jamash | use table.key= true |
| 22:31.21 | pantsninja | eh? |
| 22:31.42 | pantsninja | I'm just learning Lua right now, so that's not helping. |
| 22:31.43 | Maldivia | why not just have it the actual functions you want as the handlers, since that's seems to be the purpose of the table :) |
| 22:31.43 | nevcairiel | preferably, but your handler method there |
| 22:31.50 | nevcairiel | s/but/put/ |
| 22:31.52 | Hirsute | That needs to be ["ARCHAEOLOGY_CLOSED"] = function (self, event, ...) stuff end |
| 22:31.55 | Jamash | what Maldivia said |
| 22:32.13 | Hirsute | If you're trying to follow the instructions on the page you linked. |
| 22:32.33 | pantsninja | Maldivia: because I haven't gotten that far yet. My .lua is 50 lines long. I just wanted blank handlers right now because I just wanted to make sure the Events were getting registered |
| 22:32.53 | Maldivia | well, setting a table entry to nil means clear it :) |
| 22:33.01 | pantsninja | so, if you can tell me how to put put in a "nil", "none", pass, etc... |
| 22:33.11 | pantsninja | "" |
| 22:33.13 | Hirsute | pantsninja: Then make it ["ARCHAEOLOGY_CLOSED"] = function (self, event, ...) return end, but the table construction you've used isn't valid. |
| 22:33.13 | pantsninja | maybe |
| 22:33.21 | pantsninja | ok |
| 22:33.38 | pantsninja | I just wanted a "do nothing" |
| 22:33.45 | pantsninja | thansk |
| 22:34.14 | Jamash | I use "local function nop()end" in my addon for that |
| 22:34.58 | Lulia | Guess I'll put aside the reset issues for now :P |
| 22:35.00 | pantsninja | I'm coming from a Python background, so Lua has a bit more syntactic sugar than I'm used to |
| 22:35.40 | Jamash | s/more/different/ |
| 22:35.45 | pantsninja | that, too :) |
| 22:36.03 | Hirsute | If you build it as I noted above, then you'll just have to replace the return in each function definition with the code you really want for that event in your frame's event handler later. Anything less, and you'll have to eventually set it up the way I noted above anyway, but that isn't difficult either. |
| 22:37.48 | pantsninja | I have a ton of prints at the moment to help me figure out how Lua works. Like, elements in a table don't appear to have a guaranteed order, which is nice to know |
| 22:38.03 | Jamash | right |
| 22:38.44 | Hirsute | pantsninja: correct, all tables in lua are essentially the equivalent of dictionaries or hashes in other languages. |
| 22:38.50 | pantsninja | yup |
| 22:39.02 | Jamash | lua uses tables for dictionaries, arrays and objects |
| 22:40.05 | mikma | pants, dont ninja them pantsninja |
| 22:40.18 | pantsninja | mmmm pants |
| 22:40.18 | Jamash | you can use anything except nil as a table key or value (setting a value to nil erases the key) |
| 22:40.19 | pantsninja | :) |
| 22:40.32 | pantsninja | Jamash: I'm noticing. I can also mix types |
| 22:40.48 | Jamash | which means you can do weird things like local t = { }; t[t] = t |
| 22:41.21 | Maldivia | that's not weird... |
| 22:41.24 | Jamash | yes it is |
| 22:42.09 | Hirsute | You just created an infinite recursion in two ways, I believe. |
| 22:42.11 | Maldivia | hmm, if a metatable has a metatable, is that "consulted" ? |
| 22:42.13 | Hirsute | And my mind exploded. |
| 22:42.28 | Jamash | Hirsute: it's okay, the garbage collector will take care of it |
| 22:42.39 | Jamash | it's merely self-reference, not infinite recursion |
| 22:42.40 | Hirsute | (because *keys* can be tables in lua as well, not just values) |
| 22:42.47 | pantsninja | One of the reasons I wanted to do a no-op was because I have a default handler that just prints out info about the event. |
| 22:43.32 | pantsninja | which is all working for the moment, so <3 thanks for the help. |
| 22:44.01 | pantsninja | s/help/slapping me for being a noob |
| 22:44.08 | pantsninja | whichever applies best |
| 22:44.54 | Iriel | Ooh.. Minecraft update |
| 22:45.11 | Hirsute | if t = {}, then I *think* t[t] = t would look like t[t{}] = t{}, I don't know if I can even draw that... |
| 22:45.13 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/but_why_mount_everest_gets_a_3.php |
| 22:45.23 | Jamash | infinite recursion would be (function(f) return f(f) end)(function(f) return f(f) end) |
| 22:46.06 | Hirsute | Jamash: Aren't references of tables always references, though, and never copies? |
| 22:46.13 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:46.44 | Jamash | the diagram would have a single object and to cycles |
| 22:46.48 | Jamash | *two |
| 22:46.55 | Jamash | thus, a bicycle |
| 22:46.59 | Hirsute | so when you do t={}, t[t] = t, you'd have a table containing a key that is a reference to the parent table, and a value that is a reference to the parent table. |
| 22:47.04 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:47.06 | Hirsute | Yes? |
| 22:47.47 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:48.06 | Hirsute | And that means the key resolves to a table with a key that is a reference to the table and a value that is a reference to a table, and the value resolves to a table with a key that is a reference to a table and a value that is a reference to a table... |
| 22:48.06 | mikma | lua> function lol() print("jamash sucks!") lol() end lol() |
| 22:48.06 | lua_bot | mikma: jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, jamash sucks!, ... (result truncated) |
| 22:48.13 | Maldivia | in other words t[t[t[t[t[t]]]]] == t :) |
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| 22:48.20 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:48.32 | Hirsute | And so on, with two infinite spirals. |
| 22:48.42 | Hirsute | I'm picturing it kind of like a fractal in my head right now. |
| 22:48.54 | Jamash | it's really just a dot with two loops |
| 22:49.02 | Jamash | 8 |
| 22:49.22 | Shirik | t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t |
| 22:49.24 | Hirsute | Each loop, though, has two loops, doesn't it? |
| 22:49.32 | Cide | t.t |
| 22:49.32 | Maldivia | Shirik: nope, that won't work :) |
| 22:49.42 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 22:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: bad mojo @ minecraft update... I have work to do :( |
| 22:49.44 | Shirik | it won't :( |
| 22:49.45 | Jamash | â |
| 22:49.53 | Shirik | I blame the implementor |
| 22:50.23 | Hirsute | lua> local t = {} t[t] = t return type(t[t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t]) |
| 22:50.23 | lua_bot | Hirsute: table |
| 22:50.49 | Hirsute | lua> local t = {} t[t] = t return type(key(t[t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t][t])) |
| 22:50.49 | lua_bot | Hirsute: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'key' (a nil value) |
| 22:51.04 | Jamash | lua>local t={};t[t]=t;print(t==t[t[t[t[t[t[t[t[t][t][t[t]][t[t[t[t[t[t[t[t]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]) |
| 22:51.04 | lua_bot | Jamash: true |
| 22:51.21 | Shirik | t[t[t[t][t][t[t][t]]][t][t[t[t][t][t][t[t[t[t]]]]]]]] |
| 22:51.24 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:51.44 | Jamash | and any combination thereof |
| 22:51.57 | Maldivia | lua> local t = {} t[t]=t print(t[next(t[next(t)])]==t) |
| 22:51.58 | lua_bot | Maldivia: true |
| 22:52.15 | Jamash | sure |
| 22:53.09 | mikma | so, a mother shook his 3 month ol baby to death cause the babys crying was annoying her farmville playing |
| 22:53.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:53.41 | Lulia | :( |
| 22:53.56 | adys_ | mikma's mother shook his what? |
| 22:54.13 | mikma | fail funny, adys_ |
| 22:55.00 | Maldivia | mikma: yeah, read that earlier today as well... welcome to the facebook era |
| 22:55.15 | ZorbaTHut | eh, people have been doing stuff like that for decades. nothing new here. |
| 22:55.34 | ZorbaTHut | five years ago it was warcraft, a decade before that it was TV. |
| 22:55.52 | adys_ | shaking their baby to death because they couldnt hear their myspace music background? |
| 22:55.52 | mikma | facebook, the new wow |
| 22:56.01 | Maldivia | wasn't there a korean couple that forgot their child because of wow playing a year or two back? |
| 22:56.18 | ZorbaTHut | keep in mind that we only get reports on the ones we find out about, too |
| 22:56.31 | ZorbaTHut | how many times has something like this happened and been written off as natural causes? probably pretty often |
| 22:56.51 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: I'm sure it can wait (work, that is) 8-) |
| 22:57.28 | ScytheBlade1 | cringes a little |
| 22:57.29 | Jamash | now consider the following: local t,u,v={},{},{}; t[u]=v;t[v]=u;u[t]=v;u[v]=t;v[t]=u;v[u]=t |
| 22:57.42 | Jamash | diagram that |
| 22:57.50 | ZorbaTHut | I have a better idea |
| 22:57.52 | ZorbaTHut | how about I don't |
| 22:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | that's my idea |
| 22:58.02 | Jamash | very sensible of you |
| 22:58.54 | ZorbaTHut | in seriousness, though, it wouldn't really be all that hard. there's only twelve links total, between three different modules |
| 23:05.08 | Lulia | The names of the Frames that Blizzard uses are the same as the ones in FrameXML, correct? |
| 23:05.29 | Jamash | they're not the same as them, they *are* them |
| 23:06.09 | Jamash | everything in FrameXML.toc is loaded, compiled and run when you log in or reloadui |
| 23:06.14 | Hirsute | So that table looks like this, then: https://docs.google.com/drawings/edit?id=1SBv2BbPEuudbdRx1PZ3rPHc3tAJbvqTMXW7dJcGZbPM&hl=en&authkey=CITO-5cP |
| 23:06.39 | Lulia | What I mean is, if I want to know the name of a frame so I can disable it if the user wants to... |
| 23:06.46 | Lulia | It's in FrameXML? |
| 23:06.51 | Jamash | yes |
| 23:07.04 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 23:07.09 | Hirsute | If it's one of Blizz's default frames, yes |
| 23:07.12 | Maldivia | if it's in the Blizzard UI, then it's on the FrameXML |
| 23:07.41 | Jamash | or AddOns/Blizzard_* |
| 23:07.46 | Maldivia | (or on one of Blizzard's addons, which you also have the code for when you download the FRameXML code) |
| 23:10.38 | Jamash | or use my ui extractor |
| 23:11.56 | Maldivia | well, the official way is to download it :) |
| 23:14.31 | Jamash | well, the unofficial way is to use my ui extractor |
| 23:14.51 | Jamash | especially if you want the code from the beta or PTR, which they don't provide |
| 23:16.43 | Jamash | RRRRRRGH, LUA PROGRAMMER ANGRY! LUA PROGRAMMER CRUSH! |
| 23:16.52 | Cairenn | eeks |
| 23:16.56 | Jamash | sorry |
| 23:17.02 | Jamash | my metatable hackery isn't working :( |
| 23:17.27 | foxlit | halp, the insane ai is worker-rushing me |
| 23:17.32 | Jamash | hee hee |
| 23:17.53 | Jamash | I did that in SC1 once |
| 23:18.45 | foxlit | Okay, that was stupid |
| 23:18.57 | foxlit | It was thinking I was cannon-rushing it. From my spawn location. |
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| 23:20.57 | Lulia | Anyone know if FrameXML stuff is loaded before AddOns? |
| 23:21.03 | Maldivia | it is |
| 23:21.13 | pantsninja | how do I expand ... into single, referenceable variables? |
| 23:21.31 | Maldivia | local var1, var2, var = ...; |
| 23:21.42 | Maldivia | local var4 = select(4, ...) |
| 23:21.51 | pantsninja | oooh, ok |
| 23:22.01 | pantsninja | That goes straight into my notes |
| 23:22.55 | Maldivia | actually, the last would could also be: local var3, var4, var5 = select(3, ...) |
| 23:23.40 | pantsninja | awesome |
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| 23:30.04 | Shirik | no |
| 23:30.06 | Shirik | nononono |
| 23:30.07 | Shirik | Maldivia |
| 23:30.12 | Shirik | why would you say that ._. |
| 23:30.23 | Shirik | select(4, ...) is always wrong |
| 23:30.37 | ScytheBlade1 | select(5, ...) is where it is at |
| 23:30.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go! |
| 23:30.53 | Shirik | .... |
| 23:30.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww |
| 23:31.08 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 23:31.27 | Lulia | Their rune file was named RuneFrame.xml |
| 23:31.40 | Lulia | But I dont see a HolyPowerFrame.xml or Eclipse.xml :P |
| 23:32.39 | Lulia | Oh, hmm, wowprogramming.com just isn't up-to-date |
| 23:32.40 | Pneumatus | EclipseBarFrame.xml for eclipse |
| 23:32.57 | Lulia | yeah, I just noticed in the Frame.XML on my comp :-/ |
| 23:32.57 | Pneumatus | and PaladinPowerBar.xml for holy power |
| 23:33.09 | Lulia | thanks |
| 23:36.19 | Pneumatus | RATINGS_TEXT = "The text for Korean Ratings."; |
| 23:36.21 | Pneumatus | heh |
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| 23:44.17 | Lulia | P_E_W fires after all addons are loaded that aren't on-demand addons, correct? |
| 23:45.29 | Maldivia | it fires when the player enters the world :P |
| 23:46.44 | adys_ | <Shirik> select(4, ...) is always wrong |
| 23:46.45 | adys_ | why? |
| 23:46.52 | Shirik | because that's not what select() is for |
| 23:47.02 | adys_ | okay? |
| 23:47.05 | Shirik | if you can do that, then you can do _, _, _, i = ... |
| 23:47.26 | nevcairiel | func(select(4, ...)) |
| 23:47.28 | Shirik | there's only one case where |
| 23:47.30 | Shirik | yes that |
| 23:47.32 | nevcairiel | the other thing adds extra lines |
| 23:47.40 | Shirik | no not because of extra lines |
| 23:47.58 | Shirik | select(4,...) in that case is OK if and only if the length of ... is not known and you want to truncate the first 3 elements |
| 23:47.59 | Lulia | Maldivia: I'm running is a check to see if the Blizzard default power frames are shown on P_E_W |
| 23:48.07 | Lulia | And it must say they're showing, even when I know they aren't. |
| 23:48.08 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 23:48.41 | Maldivia | Lulia: checking using IsVisible or IsShown ? |
| 23:49.04 | Lulia | IsShown() |
| 23:49.37 | Maldivia | and why do you know they're not shown ? |
| 23:49.50 | Lulia | I have Pitbull installed |
| 23:49.52 | Lulia | It hides them |
| 23:49.58 | Maldivia | what are you checking on? |
| 23:50.04 | adys_ | Lulia, some frames (created in C) may be shown but not ready yet before the UI has finished loading |
| 23:50.21 | nevcairiel | Shown doesnt really mean they are visible |
| 23:50.28 | Maldivia | also, IsShown can return true, even if they're not visible |
| 23:50.31 | nevcairiel | if their parent is hidden, they are hidden |
| 23:50.32 | Lulia | I'm using P_E_W to check them, Maldivia |
| 23:50.40 | nevcairiel | yet, shown returns true |
| 23:50.46 | Programming_ | nev is right |
| 23:50.46 | Lulia | They're parented to the UI |
| 23:50.53 | Lulia | It says UI_Parent for their parents |
| 23:50.57 | Lulia | Since the UI is shown |
| 23:51.05 | Lulia | If they're visible they should be showing. |
| 23:51.15 | nevcairiel | well try IsVisible instead |
| 23:51.35 | Maldivia | well, on PEW, UIParent isn't shown yet, that's still loading screen time |
| 23:52.17 | Maldivia | or well, actually don't know if it's shown below the loading screen |
| 23:52.20 | Lulia | But if my AddOn is loaded and FrameXML is loaded before AddOns... |
| 23:53.03 | Maldivia | that your addon is loaded and framexml is loaded, doesn't mean UIParent is visible on the screen |
| 23:53.52 | nevcairiel | Somehow i dont think Blizzard would go through all the trouble to hide it until the loading screen vanishes |
| 23:54.19 | adys_ | Iriel, jnwhiteh, someone needs to create a timeline of what events fire/what happens during world load :P |
| 23:54.21 | Maldivia | LoadingScreen:Hide() UIParent:Show() :) |
| 23:54.34 | Maldivia | adys: there is one somewhere :) |
| 23:54.38 | adys_ | there is? |
| 23:54.42 | Lulia | Where? |
| 23:54.44 | nevcairiel | adys_: there is an article on wowwiki about loading events |
| 23:54.49 | adys_ | psh, articles |
| 23:54.56 | adys_ | get me a pwetty graph |
| 23:55.23 | Maldivia | http://www.wowpedia.org/AddOn_loading_process - at the bottom |
| 23:56.08 | Wobin | http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/m4m/2034058689.html |
| 23:56.14 | nevcairiel | somehow i remember that being its own page |
| 23:57.01 | Maldivia | Wobin: if they have an avatar body for me, then I'm game :) |
