| 00:02.25 | A-KO | hmm |
| 00:02.28 | A-KO | okay MS |
| 00:02.33 | A-KO | time to get rid of either Mesh, Sync, or Skydrive |
| 00:02.37 | A-KO | and simplify down |
| 00:03.35 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27397547423/expertise-cap-bugged-fixed-as-is/ |
| 00:04.01 | MoonWitch | jamash -- since the update on windows live crap - i've got several services (and bg processes more on my machine) |
| 00:04.39 | Jerub | bah, that's the dps expertise cap |
| 00:04.52 | Jerub | Kraps: the tooltips are right, aren't they? |
| 00:05.00 | A-KO | MoonWitch: services aren't that big of a deal ;) |
| 00:05.09 | Jamash | yeah I didn't install Windows Live Essentials 2011 |
| 00:05.23 | Jamash | unfortunately I can't seem to find out how to delete the downloaded file |
| 00:05.44 | A-KO | 8GB ram, SSD.....I'm not too concerned :P |
| 00:05.59 | Jamash | MS appears to have intentionally designed windows update to inextricably foul up the system with updates |
| 00:06.07 | Jamash | so you can't get rid of them ever |
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| 00:08.20 | Jamash | like silverlight |
| 00:08.23 | Jamash | I can't uninstall it |
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| 00:08.40 | A-KO | why would you? |
| 00:08.48 | Jamash | why wouldn't I? |
| 00:08.51 | A-KO | quite a few sites do use it |
| 00:08.54 | A-KO | because there's no need? |
| 00:09.01 | A-KO | Yall are way too anal over 10MB of space :P |
| 00:09.01 | Jamash | I don't want to use it, even by accident |
| 00:09.04 | A-KO | why? |
| 00:09.07 | A-KO | What does it harm? |
| 00:09.08 | Jamash | it's not the space |
| 00:09.16 | UltraNurd | just block it in the browser then? |
| 00:09.29 | Jamash | I do |
| 00:09.48 | A-KO | why? |
| 00:09.53 | A-KO | I just don't understand why |
| 00:09.58 | A-KO | Misguided attempt at security ftw? |
| 00:10.05 | Jamash | it's a microsoft proprietary web technology |
| 00:10.12 | A-KO | so? |
| 00:10.16 | A-KO | It's a hell of a lot better than Flash :P |
| 00:10.30 | MoonWitch | yah I need alcohol and nicotine now |
| 00:10.31 | Jamash | let's say I asked you why you don't want to shove your head into an oven |
| 00:10.37 | UltraNurd | Netflix Instant uses it, right? |
| 00:10.42 | UltraNurd | (except for their iOS client) |
| 00:10.44 | MoonWitch | Jamash, good luck :) Have fun. |
| 00:10.52 | Jamash | MoonWitch: thx |
| 00:11.11 | Arrowmaster | anything that uses silverlight is instantly on my list of sites i wont use |
| 00:11.16 | Jamash | ^ |
| 00:11.23 | MoonWitch | Arrowmaster: same |
| 00:11.29 | Arrowmaster | mainly because I FUCKING CANT USE THEM |
| 00:11.47 | Arrowmaster | since i dont use windows |
| 00:11.53 | Jamash | I wouldn't use flash either if I could get away with it |
| 00:11.59 | MoonWitch | I just don't want to ... |
| 00:12.09 | Arrowmaster | same but too much stuff uses flash now |
| 00:12.12 | Jamash | or windows for that matter |
| 00:12.31 | Jamash | or anything from microsoft |
| 00:12.33 | UltraNurd | on the other hand, iOS is driving HTML5 video adoption up, which is good for pretty much everybody |
| 00:12.38 | Arrowmaster | i dont use windows, hense my problem with silverlight |
| 00:12.42 | MoonWitch | I've never been more at ease than in Links, seriously BLAZING fast ... |
| 00:13.10 | Jamash | UltraNurd: yeah, but iOS is just as bad as any proprietary MS technology |
| 00:13.14 | UltraNurd | wish I could test UI changes without logging into a server |
| 00:13.32 | A-KO | Apple's about to lock down OSX |
| 00:13.33 | A-KO | with an appstore |
| 00:13.41 | Jamash | it's the beginning of the end |
| 00:13.41 | A-KO | have fun with that mac junkies :D |
| 00:13.46 | MoonWitch | UltraNurd: the day that is possible, I cancel my subscription because I've achieved perfect happiness. |
| 00:13.57 | A-KO | Norton 360 v5 is pretty sweet...hmmm |
| 00:13.58 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: i dont think they are that stupid |
| 00:14.06 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: yes they are |
| 00:14.07 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: I think they are |
| 00:14.16 | MoonWitch | ok smoke time for realz now |
| 00:14.20 | A-KO | http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/apple-tightens-its-grip-developers-mac-app-store-319 |
| 00:14.26 | Arrowmaster | doing that would instantly kill their market |
| 00:14.35 | UltraNurd | I dunno, I'd say h.264 is at least less bad, in that it's an open standard (even if it's not free as in freedom) |
| 00:14.46 | A-KO | UltraNurd: screw h264 |
| 00:14.49 | A-KO | they need to get rid of it |
| 00:14.58 | A-KO | The people behind h.264 are money hungry assholes |
| 00:15.07 | Jamash | software patents need to die |
| 00:15.43 | A-KO | UltraNurd: Let's put it this way--the licensing of h.264 means that A) If you're a cameraman, you buy a camera. B) The company that made the camera paid the h.264 royalty fee. C) You cannot use that camera commercially (wedding photographer/recorder, etc.) without also paying a royalty to use h.264 |
| 00:15.45 | UltraNurd | I would highly recommend the book "Piracy". great history of past patent/copyright wars |
| 00:15.48 | A-KO | D) The camera only supports h.264 |
| 00:15.51 | A-KO | E) you're fucked |
| 00:16.16 | A-KO | F) the vendor who made the application you use to edit your videos also paid an h.264 licensing fee |
| 00:16.18 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: http://www.fastcompany.com/1697038/battle-of-the-app-store-models-dictatorship-versus-democracy |
| 00:16.31 | A-KO | G) the people who watch the final DVD/blu-ray compilation you made of their wedding also bought a device who paid the h.264 licensing fee |
| 00:16.32 | Dagmar | A-KO: Good reasons why we should use the codec Google bought for us |
| 00:16.51 | A-KO | I agree Dagmar |
| 00:16.54 | A-KO | h.264 needs to die |
| 00:16.55 | A-KO | and go away |
| 00:17.11 | Jerub | Dagmar: you mean that stupid almost-but-not-quite h264 thing? |
| 00:17.21 | Jerub | isn't that dead already after h264 got slightly more free? |
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| 00:17.57 | A-KO | The very first restriction cited is that software published through the Mac App Store must not crash |
| 00:17.57 | Dagmar | No, I mean VP8. |
| 00:18.08 | A-KO | The second restriction is that any software that "exhibits bugs" will be rejected |
| 00:18.08 | UltraNurd | sorry I disturbed the anthill. I'm just saying there's a spectrum, and h.264 is somewhere in the middle of Silverlight or Flash and something more open like Ogg Theora |
| 00:18.21 | Arrowmaster | arent they creating a VP8 patent pool though |
| 00:18.24 | Jamash | A-KO: lol |
| 00:18.27 | A-KO | Further down the list, Apple explains that "apps that duplicate apps already in the App Store may be rejected, particularly if there are many of them." |
| 00:19.07 | A-KO | First up is Java. Applications that use "deprecated or optionally installed technologies" will be rejected -- and as we heard earlier this week, Apple has officially deprecated the Java runtime in Mac OS X as of the forthcoming release. |
| 00:19.20 | A-KO | The App Store's license terms go as far as to specifically mention Java as an example of a banned technology. |
| 00:19.44 | A-KO | The license doesn't cite Flash by name, but a number of clauses suggest that apps created with Adobe's Flash, Flex, and AIR tools will be similarly unwelcome. For starters, Flash probably counts as an "optionally installed technology," given that Apple also announced this week that it will no longer be bundling the Flash runtime with new Macs -- and that probably goes double for Adobe AIR, |
| 00:19.45 | A-KO | which was never bundled. |
| 00:20.03 | A-KO | Furthermore, Apple insists that applications sold through the Mac Apps Store "must comply with all terms and conditions explained in the Apple Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines |
| 00:20.08 | Dagmar | A-KO: I can't really argue the flash case |
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| 00:20.29 | Jerub | oh yeah |
| 00:20.31 | A-KO | I might not like Flash particularly, but nonetheless, these restrictions are quite insane. I mean.... |
| 00:20.33 | Jerub | On August 26, 2010 MPEG LA announced that H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end users will never be charged for royalties.[11] All other royalties will remain in place such as the royalties for products that decode and encode H.264 video.[12] The license terms are updated in 5-year blocks.[13] |
| 00:20.38 | Jerub | that's the one |
| 00:20.39 | Dagmar | Adobe is taking it not on the chin, but I think perhaps that now, after months and months of one exploit after another, "taking it up the ass" becomes an appropriate phrase to use |
| 00:21.04 | A-KO | Jerub: As long as you are making no money off of your videos, which are also H.264. Also, if you're a video hosting site, you can't use h.264 without royalties. |
| 00:21.05 | Ycarene | Are /console command case sensitive? |
| 00:21.18 | kd3 | no, ycarene |
| 00:21.24 | Jerub | but it's on wikipedia! it must be true! |
| 00:21.37 | A-KO | Jerub: end users also do pay a license--in the form of extra money to cover the licensing cost of h.264 in the products they use. |
| 00:21.50 | A-KO | In *every* product they own that uses h.264. |
| 00:22.03 | Dagmar | Jerub: That is somewhat a pointless gesture on their part, since while it opens the codec for some uses, all they're really saying is "We promise never to ask people who watch videos encoded with our codec, directly" |
| 00:22.10 | Dagmar | er ask for money from |
| 00:22.13 | Arrowmaster | the world would be such a better place without software patents |
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| 00:22.20 | A-KO | I agree Arrowmaster |
| 00:22.22 | Dagmar | They're still taking royalties off pretty much every otehr use of it |
| 00:22.40 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: The world would be a significantly better place. |
| 00:22.44 | Gnarfoz | it's a shame vp8 is that much inferior >_> |
| 00:23.23 | A-KO | I'm actually looking at software patenting atm since I'm thinking about creating some software, better than my company can do it (without even using close to the same design or code), and then try adn sell the product back to my company when I and my friends are done with it :P |
| 00:23.23 | Arrowmaster | not only is it inferior its so close to h264 in functionality that you cant sanely say that its patent free |
| 00:23.24 | A-KO | but |
| 00:23.29 | brandonjviles | is Object.Func(self, p) the same as Object:Func(p) |
| 00:23.30 | A-KO | something tells me they would take me to court since I work there... |
| 00:23.36 | A-KO | they would most certainly try |
| 00:23.42 | Dagmar | In the end I don't suppose it means a damn thing to end-users that they're not being asked to pay royalties for a video they recorded themselves (oh wait, the camera maker paid that and passed on the cost), edited themselves (oh wait, the non-linear editor authors probably paid a licence fee), and then burned onto their own DVD |
| 00:24.00 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar |
| 00:24.07 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: I suspect VP8 will pass the patent test |
| 00:24.15 | A-KO | and won't be found in violation of h.264 |
| 00:24.16 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: did you sign an agreement that anything you create while employed at the company is their property? |
| 00:24.18 | Dagmar | ...unless of course, they're assuming that those people won't use some other codec, because, you know, having a playabck unit that only plays exactly one format... |
| 00:24.30 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: That depends--If I don't create it on my work hours, then no. |
| 00:24.34 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:24.50 | Dagmar | If they had a claim against VP8, they'd have brought it to court already. |
| 00:25.12 | Dagmar | What the f**k could they POSSIBLY be waiting for to file a suit? Google to become a giant money-making machine with massively deep pocketS? |
| 00:25.15 | Dagmar | Oh... |
| 00:25.28 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 00:25.34 | A-KO | The problem is, my company is spending around 7 figures for this product that doesn't actually work, and I am almost pretty sure that me and a couple of people could throw something together in our free time over the course of a few months that works significantly better than their entire army of project managers and Indian programmers can do. |
| 00:25.44 | Dagmar | They're just fudding to keep hardware manufacturers huddled at their doorstep |
| 00:26.03 | Dagmar | A-KO: THAT might be a bad sign, dude |
| 00:26.52 | Dagmar | A-KO: I used to know this guy named San Mehat from #Rave. He worked for a number of companies, including Corel. He has a reputation for virtually on-the-spot wizardry. |
| 00:26.53 | A-KO | Dagmar: The thing is, what they're working on is so far off from what A) is obvious, and B) the right way to do it--that it's almost impossible to accuse me of violating any patents (which I'm sure the ydon't have) or any sort of IP. Since I don't have access to the code anyway. |
| 00:27.21 | A-KO | But I'm almost 100% positive they would try :P |
| 00:27.22 | Dagmar | A-KO: Corel asked him if he could maybe come up with a small digital video camera, gave him some months to do it in. |
| 00:27.23 | A-KO | you know they would. |
| 00:27.46 | UltraNurd | login server seems to be back up |
| 00:27.48 | A-KO | Dagmar: My company seems to be wanting to pay an army of project managers to throw something together, yet not pay a proper software architect to sit down and build the software. |
| 00:27.50 | Dagmar | He took a Toshiba Libretto, hollowed out one end, put in a CCD, wrote a little code... |
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| 00:28.09 | A-KO | And it's so stupidly easy |
| 00:28.14 | Dagmar | Instant lightweight, rechargable digital camera with a pile of storage, network connectivity, a screen, a keyboard, the works. |
| 00:28.28 | kd3 | A-KO, that's how it always is |
| 00:28.29 | kd3 | grrs |
| 00:28.40 | Dagmar | Corel (rather rightly) congratulated him for his excellent work, and then declined to put this into production. |
| 00:29.11 | Dagmar | ...because if it's really that bloody simple, it would be *nothing* for a competitor to do the same thing, and find a considerably cheaper way to do it for the second generation. |
| 00:29.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: to be fair it would be a matter of over a year of engineering to turn a quick proof of concept into a product. |
| 00:29.47 | Dagmar | Jerub: Corel said six to eight months |
| 00:30.05 | Dagmar | Most of the stuff migth as well have been off-the-shelf components |
| 00:30.53 | Dagmar | They could have cut deals with the manufacturers of the hardware he used to get the parts, hire someone to make cases, and another place to put it together and be done |
| 00:31.57 | Dagmar | They could have made the product, but it's window of sales opportunity would have been easily less than a year |
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| 00:32.54 | A-KO | only thing is, I'm sure my company could try to find some way to hit me on software patenting/ideas/licensing/whatever. |
| 00:32.58 | A-KO | but I know I could do it better :P |
| 00:33.04 | A-KO | sell it back to 'em for a few hundred grand |
| 00:33.06 | Cairenn | oh no, run! |
| 00:33.10 | Cairenn | it's an Aurorus! |
| 00:33.19 | Aurorus | looks around |
| 00:33.29 | UltraNurd | okay, so I'm doing my first 4.0 addon updating... is there a dummy's migration guide? I googled around and checked the forums |
| 00:33.53 | UltraNurd | right now mine (and several others) have an error about "this" being nil |
| 00:33.53 | Cairenn | UltraNurd: like this? http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 00:34.05 | UltraNurd | isn't that for users, not developers? |
| 00:34.22 | UltraNurd | I mean, the addons I've written, how to migrate them |
| 00:34.34 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:34.49 | UltraNurd | (my pronouns need no antecedents, mwahahaha!) |
| 00:35.14 | A-KO | so is Blizzard really going to charge $40 for battle chest, $40 for wotlk, and $40 for cata? :( |
| 00:35.17 | A-KO | $120 to get to Cata |
| 00:35.26 | A-KO | for newbies |
| 00:35.28 | rocode | UltraNurd, wowpedia.org has a changelist for the API. |
| 00:35.31 | Aurorus | http://kotaku.com/5674297/the-worlds-greatest-world-of-warcraft-fan <-- so, kids these days, hey? |
| 00:35.44 | UltraNurd | I was looking at http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20437376853&sid=1 |
| 00:35.52 | Jerub | A-KO: yeah, but you can do battlechest and get to 70 before you have to pay anything |
| 00:35.57 | UltraNurd | which makes me think I was doing something lua-wrong all along |
| 00:36.04 | Jerub | A-KO: you just can't make a goblin or worgen |
| 00:36.21 | rocode | UltraNurd, http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_4.0.1/API_changes |
| 00:36.39 | Dagmar | A-KO: Your numbers are way off, but yeah |
| 00:36.46 | A-KO | Dagmar: battle chest is $40.... |
| 00:36.49 | A-KO | wotlk is $40 currently |
| 00:36.51 | A-KO | and cata is $40 |
| 00:36.53 | rocode | See the first breaking change. |
| 00:36.54 | A-KO | that's $120.... |
| 00:37.02 | UltraNurd | ah, thanks rocode |
| 00:37.22 | UltraNurd | so if I was doing this:RegisterEvent, I just do RegisterEvent? |
| 00:37.23 | A-KO | I suspect they wouldn't maybe do something like, bundle wow + tbc + wotlk for $40, and then cata $40 |
| 00:37.25 | UltraNurd | (for example) |
| 00:37.39 | durcyn | each of the editions is $15 for electronic upgrades, last i checked |
| 00:37.49 | durcyn | cataclysm being the exception |
| 00:37.57 | Dagmar | I figure the Battle Chest will get revamped by Christmas or at least Q2 2011 |
| 00:38.11 | A-KO | you sure durcyn? |
| 00:38.27 | durcyn | A-KO: i just upgraded a trial to full classic for RAF, it was $14.99 |
| 00:38.52 | durcyn | and they're trying to sell me a BC upgrade for the same |
| 00:40.03 | Jerub | hah, there's a bug in their code on the pay verfication page javascript |
| 00:40.20 | Jerub | 'continue' button is greyed out until you check the checkbox for the 'i have read the terms and conditions' |
| 00:42.24 | Jerub | well, i just paid $40 to get cata digital version |
| 00:42.39 | Jerub | oh, sorry, didn't describe tha tbug correctly. |
| 00:42.42 | Gnarfoz | I wish we could pay $40 for it |
| 00:42.48 | A-KO | I bought the collector's |
| 00:42.55 | Gnarfoz | but no, we have to pay 35⬠for it |
| 00:43.16 | Jerub | if you clicked the label, it would check the checkbox, but you couldn't continue until you clicked the actual 10px * 10px checkbox |
| 00:44.18 | Gnarfoz | ._. |
| 00:44.38 | Jamash | so I've been trying to find this one link since the topic of the Apple App Store came up: http://www.pvponline.com/2003/04/03/thu-apr-03/ |
| 00:44.58 | Jamash | now the cycle is complete |
| 00:45.38 | A-KO | nice Jerub |
| 00:45.38 | A-KO | lol |
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| 01:00.42 | UltraNurd | another 4.0 migration question |
| 01:00.52 | UltraNurd | I used to be able to get the text element associated with a control by doing: |
| 01:00.52 | UltraNurd | local text = _G[control:GetName() .. "Text"]; |
| 01:01.08 | UltraNurd | that seems to be always nil now (I guess because _G is a no-no?) |
| 01:01.45 | UltraNurd | any idea what I need to call to get that element now? |
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| 01:02.45 | Jamash | _G is fine |
| 01:03.04 | Jamash | it's possible the naming scheme used by blizzard widgets changed |
| 01:03.16 | UltraNurd | ah, that could be |
| 01:04.49 | UltraNurd | or maybe I need to explicitly initialize the FontString... hmm |
| 01:06.20 | UltraNurd | I looked in FrameXML, the control I'm inheriting from still has a FontString named $parentText |
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| 01:41.13 | Wobin | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/every-rpg.jpg |
| 01:56.46 | Mirrormn | I don't like how that flowchart is decidedly nondeterministic |
| 01:58.52 | UltraNurd | figured out my problem from earlier; just needed to change how an event was passed into my OnEvent function that was looking for a VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 01:58.57 | UltraNurd | no idea why it worked in 3.0, but hey |
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| 02:01.19 | Seerah | UltraNurd: were you using the deprecated (and now finally removed) global variables? |
| 02:01.24 | Seerah | this, event, arg1, etc. |
| 02:02.04 | UltraNurd | yeah, I had used this (which was more obviously a problem, since it gave me a nil error) and event |
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| 02:07.10 | UltraNurd | did they change the way SetScale works? |
| 02:07.50 | UltraNurd | that is, it now appears to also affect anchors, not just size? |
| 02:08.14 | Seerah | It always affected anchors |
| 02:08.24 | Seerah | anchor offsets |
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| 02:09.00 | Seerah | Though what you are seeing may have something to do with the changes to UIScale in video options |
| 02:09.04 | UltraNurd | then I guess they changed how the BuffFrame is anchored? because calling SetScale on it used to change it in-place, but now it also shifts it relative to the right of the screen |
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| 02:19.55 | MoonWitch | wow this is annoying, I can get rightclick to cancel to work, but only with the most right buff LOL |
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| 02:20.39 | UltraNurd | agh, too much C++ at work. I keep doing :: in Lua >.< |
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| 02:26.25 | Kraps | firefox update |
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| 02:28.59 | DWSR | Anyone know what the new function/command is to mark yourself with the new world map dots? |
| 02:29.56 | Seerah | MoonWitch: that is how mine has been working (haven't tried to change it up yet, since I last showed you) |
| 02:30.20 | Matt646 | DWSR, the new smoke flare things? |
| 02:30.53 | DWSR | I don't know. The function that's shown in the default raid pop-out |
| 02:32.03 | MoonWitch | Seerah: It's been annoying the hell out of me so far :P |
| 02:32.37 | MoonWitch | it seems to be related to ActiveButtons() or something |
| 02:33.13 | MoonWitch | or rather checking up on the children >.< |
| 02:34.29 | Matt646 | DWSR, They made the function to place the markers protected but theres some info on them here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188065867&sid=1 |
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| 02:39.17 | UltraNurd | so I |
| 02:39.26 | UltraNurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.47 | UltraNurd | but the behavior I'm getting is that SetScale moves them when the new ConsolidatedBuffs thing isn't visible |
| 02:39.54 | UltraNurd | but when it is, they just shrink in place |
| 02:40.12 | UltraNurd | any idea what I'm looking for? Somehow I want to manipulate the anchor so the upper right point doesn't move |
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| 02:44.00 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Reaper_Eternal&curid=24473975&diff=393540834&oldid=393540280 |
| 02:45.27 | Kraps | this means just the starting cinematic right? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27187849287&sid=1#2 |
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| 02:50.56 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401649634/cata-why/ |
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| 02:52.35 | Kraps | i'm guessing from this - SET playIntroMovie "4" - that it just means the opening cinematic |
| 02:53.28 | Kraps | please let it be that :/ |
| 02:54.00 | Kraps | its logical |
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| 02:55.17 | A-KO | Kind of disturbing in a way that there's an "intro movie" that isn't actually an intro to the game.... |
| 02:55.18 | A-KO | I dunno |
| 02:57.08 | Kraps | people on the forums are saying that this means even ingame cinematics but that makes no sense |
| 02:57.56 | Matt646 | "playIntroMovie" should only control the opening cinematic |
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| 03:06.54 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189094900&postId=272794253762&sid=1#19 |
| 03:06.57 | Kraps | whaaaaaat |
| 03:07.43 | kd3 | whee flash leaking memory like a sieve |
| 03:07.47 | kd3 | 2 gigs and counting |
| 03:07.55 | Kraps | only the wrath ones yeah? |
| 03:08.44 | Matt646 | "from this point forward" |
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| 03:10.47 | Kraps | i get the "Pre-rendered Cinematics" part, but is it "Pre-rendered Cutscenes" too or just "Cutscenes"? |
| 03:10.58 | kd3 | pre-rendered* |
| 03:11.18 | Thunder_Child | depends i think |
| 03:11.26 | Thunder_Child | was the wrathgate rendered? |
| 03:11.30 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:11.40 | kd3 | it's a machinema |
| 03:11.58 | Kraps | its pretty game-enginey |
| 03:12.36 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/142213 |
| 03:13.05 | Shirik | kd3 |
| 03:13.12 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:13.21 | Shirik | do you have any idea how to remove the "Main Page" from top of the main page? I note that wowpedia doesn't have it |
| 03:13.35 | kd3 | on enwiki? |
| 03:13.53 | Shirik | no I'm looking at a private wiki |
| 03:14.03 | Shirik | it's not on enwiki either but that didn't give me any help :/ |
| 03:14.22 | kd3 | .page-Main_Page #firstHeading {display:none} |
| 03:14.23 | kd3 | iirc |
| 03:15.23 | kd3 | rather, to be more specific |
| 03:15.28 | kd3 | body.page-Portal_Main h1.firstHeading {display:none} |
| 03:15.35 | Shirik | ow |
| 03:15.37 | kd3 | change Portal_Main as appropriate |
| 03:15.40 | Shirik | that was much more complex than I thought it would be |
| 03:15.42 | Shirik | but thanks |
| 03:15.59 | kd3 | it's a fairly simple selector in css? |
| 03:16.08 | kd3 | but yay for mediawiki giving the page name as a class |
| 03:16.17 | Kraps | kd3: what that? |
| 03:16.36 | Shirik | yup that appears to have worked <3 |
| 03:16.47 | Shirik | yeah I was hoping for a magic word really |
| 03:16.50 | Shirik | like __NOTITLE__ |
| 03:16.52 | kd3 | no |
| 03:17.37 | kd3 | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words |
| 03:17.47 | Shirik | yeah I looked through there |
| 03:17.53 | Shirik | the CSS worked thanks |
| 03:17.58 | kd3 | np |
| 03:18.05 | kd3 | as best I can tell that's what enwiki does too |
| 03:18.11 | kd3 | pulls open firebug |
| 03:19.26 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/142214 |
| 03:19.31 | kd3 | ^ in vector.css |
| 03:19.44 | Shirik | huh |
| 03:19.46 | Shirik | I can't |
| 03:19.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:19.50 | Shirik | I was looking in common.css |
| 03:20.04 | kd3 | ya; we've got it in common on wowpedia; dunno why it's not in common on en |
| 03:20.24 | Sintacks | I love how Curse Client says it's "low CPU and memory usage" but uses close to a gig or more of virtual memory |
| 03:20.35 | kd3 | virtual != resident |
| 03:20.37 | Shirik | virtual memory isn't real |
| 03:20.51 | Shirik | what kd3 said is more accurate though |
| 03:20.57 | Jerub | so i came to a conclusion |
| 03:20.58 | kd3 | it can burn all the vmem it wants. if it's burning nearly a gig of resident memory, then you can complain |
| 03:20.59 | Shirik | or at least more meaningful |
| 03:21.05 | Jerub | OSX Server and OpenDirectory are a joke. |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik | s/Server and OpenDirectory are/is/ |
| 03:21.19 | Sintacks | my point is.. a GB of virtual memory, means it's slow as hell to pull it out of the background and actually use it |
| 03:21.26 | Shirik | not true |
| 03:21.35 | Jerub | s/Server and OpenDirectory are/is/ |
| 03:21.39 | Jerub | Shirik: thanks for that |
| 03:22.01 | Shirik | You seem to believe that it needs to pulll all 1GB into memory for it to run |
| 03:22.14 | Shirik | But you have insufficient data to make this claim |
| 03:22.19 | Kraps | "Miley Cyrusâ Parents File for Divorce" |
| 03:22.47 | Sintacks | I don't have any data to prove it. All I have it my experence with it. |
| 03:22.49 | Sintacks | and i can't spell for shit |
| 03:23.11 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: ... |
| 03:23.16 | Shirik | There is a reason I have long since been an advocate for hiding memory usage data from users |
| 03:23.39 | Sintacks | eh? |
| 03:24.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: its very sad! |
| 03:24.31 | Kraps | !!! |
| 03:24.35 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: murders, rape, beatings, and *thats* what you focus on... |
| 03:24.49 | Kraps | pfft |
| 03:25.03 | Kraps | ITS MILEY CYRUS |
| 03:25.11 | Thunder_Child | and? |
| 03:25.16 | kd3 | and? |
| 03:25.22 | Shirik | &&? |
| 03:25.37 | Kraps | LIEK OMG U GIUS |
| 03:26.13 | Shirik | fault 2; |
| 03:26.31 | Shirik | assert(Kraps is fault) |
| 03:26.39 | Kraps | :( |
| 03:26.52 | Shirik | Kraps's execution path is now tainted |
| 03:27.08 | Shirik | it is now illegal for you to get with Miley Cyrus |
| 03:27.47 | Thunder_Child | uh, only for a little bit longer |
| 03:27.54 | Thunder_Child | i think sh is turning 18 soon |
| 03:27.56 | Thunder_Child | she* |
| 03:28.02 | Shirik | scary |
| 03:28.10 | Thunder_Child | i know, makes me feel quite old |
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| 03:28.41 | Kraps | are you nuts? selena gomez all the way, just look at this wholesome, family-friendly video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRyniZG0Jo&ob=av2e |
| 03:28.46 | Shirik | .. |
| 03:30.11 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i agree |
| 03:30.30 | Kraps | when did disney hire pedobear? |
| 03:30.50 | A-KO | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/524391 |
| 03:30.52 | Thunder_Child | lol, like you think 4chan invented gim |
| 03:30.58 | Thunder_Child | s/gim/him/ |
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| 03:35.42 | Kraps | Justin Bieber has a book out |
| 03:36.04 | Kraps | and hes getting a perfume |
| 03:36.26 | Computerpunk | Kraps, he should start a water bottling brand. |
| 03:36.45 | Kraps | with softer plastic? |
| 03:36.56 | Computerpunk | just plastic. |
| 03:36.56 | Computerpunk | XD |
| 03:37.05 | Computerpunk | You still want them to be used on him, right? |
| 03:38.41 | Kraps | it was pro |
| 03:40.16 | Computerpunk | I so want to start drums. |
| 03:40.31 | Computerpunk | but only to see the drums pov. |
| 03:40.40 | Computerpunk | so I improve my bass skills. |
| 03:40.40 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 03:40.45 | Computerpunk | funk ftw. |
| 03:40.45 | Computerpunk | :3 |
| 03:40.48 | Kraps | "Black and White = Subliminal Mind Control Portals notice alot of these Disney Puppets are using it too. Satanic Portals. Satanic Hand Gestures, Sun and Masonic Subliminals, Selena Gomez Brainwashing Little girls into being Materialist Sun Worshipping Whores." |
| 03:41.16 | Computerpunk | selenga gomez is a leo. |
| 03:41.20 | Computerpunk | and leo are materialists. |
| 03:41.29 | Kraps | i lol'd |
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| 03:52.25 | Thunder_Child | it's amazing i can not finde an image for office home and business 2K10, not even via torrents |
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| 03:54.26 | A-KO | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/113889 < epic video |
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| 03:57.17 | ZorbaTHut | oh man I just got an email offering to sell me a blizzcon 2010 ticket! all they need is my blizzard account name and password to accept this offer |
| 03:57.26 | ZorbaTHut | could they at least try to scam me with something that isn't obsolete? |
| 03:58.00 | Mirrormn | what would be the point of that |
| 03:58.15 | ZorbaTHut | they could do a blizzcon 2011 pre-order |
| 03:58.21 | ZorbaTHut | that would be at least vaguely believable |
| 03:58.26 | Mirrormn | never too soon |
| 03:59.27 | Mirrormn | I should probably actually go to sleep tonight |
| 04:00.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i think i am going to get the overlord pack |
| 04:00.28 | Shirik | ~dns 93-82-3-202.adsl.highway.telekom.at |
| 04:00.36 | Shirik | .... |
| 04:00.42 | Shirik | I should have been able to figure that one out |
| 04:00.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:00.52 | Thunder_Child | yes you should have |
| 04:01.23 | _adys | nice. im away 10 days and i come back to shirik being as awesome as usual. |
| 04:01.40 | Shirik | :/ |
| 04:01.47 | Thunder_Child | YOU CANT HANDLE THE AWESOMENESS |
| 04:03.21 | Computerpunk | adys. |
| 04:03.21 | Computerpunk | ;o |
| 04:03.28 | Computerpunk | You were gone! |
| 04:03.47 | Computerpunk | How come nobody noticed? |
| 04:03.48 | Computerpunk | xd |
| 04:04.04 | Thunder_Child | because no one carse |
| 04:04.07 | Thunder_Child | cares* |
| 04:04.18 | _adys | tc carses a lot |
| 04:04.35 | Thunder_Child | sadly, it does indeed happen a lot |
| 04:04.50 | _adys | also im not back to the uk yet so |
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| 04:09.38 | adys_ | Arrowmaster, ping |
| 04:09.47 | Arrowmaster | pong |
| 04:09.57 | Jerub | http://plixi.com/p/53490671 |
| 04:10.11 | Shirik | adys |
| 04:10.17 | Shirik | stop with the _s |
| 04:10.30 | adys_ | nop |
| 04:13.28 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:13.31 | Shirik | What the fuck are you all talking about and doing? I' have no relation whatsoever with abusing account plus I ' did not even vandalize one thing!! --93.82.3.202 (talk) 12:11 am, Today (UTCâ4) |
| 04:14.07 | adys_ | yes shirik, what exactly the fuck are you talking about and doing. |
| 04:14.10 | adys_ | we'd all like to know. |
| 04:14.56 | adys_ | offers Shirik a bunch of underscores and converts him to python |
| 04:15.01 | Shirik | nooooo |
| 04:15.35 | nicoli_s | theres nothing wrong with _s |
| 04:16.05 | adys_ | you're just saying that because yours is hanging out there. |
| 04:16.28 | Computerpunk | adys, there's nothing wrong with _'s. |
| 04:16.34 | Computerpunk | I say it because I love you. |
| 04:17.04 | adys_ | highlights are messing with pulseaudio >< |
| 04:17.17 | Computerpunk | cya in 7 hours. |
| 04:17.18 | Computerpunk | school |
| 04:17.19 | Computerpunk | ;< |
| 04:17.23 | adys_ | bai |
| 04:19.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: for the evulz |
| 04:19.40 | Shirik | adys_s |
| 04:19.41 | Shirik | secure adys |
| 04:19.49 | Shirik | safe from buffer overflows |
| 04:20.00 | adys_ | there is no adys_s |
| 04:20.21 | adys_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.27 | Shirik | o.o |
| 04:20.39 | adys_ | is that your I want to watch face? |
| 04:21.20 | adys_ | not to be confused with your I thought this was gonna be a new episode of Law & Order but turns out it's a repeat face |
| 04:22.57 | nicoli_s | is there any other common hashes that produce a 40 char string other than sha-1? |
| 04:23.37 | adys_ | nicoli_s, nop |
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| 04:23.42 | Jerub | http://uneasysilence.com/media/2010/10/a97232_g160_1-10mb.jpg |
| 04:24.29 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: metro is scaring the fuck out of me |
| 04:24.41 | nicoli_s | grrr |
| 04:24.59 | nicoli_s | working on modding this game's files, but cant figure out wtf they are sha-1ing |
| 04:25.06 | nicoli_s | its not the file contents, its not the file name |
| 04:25.18 | adys_ | filename+file content? |
| 04:25.20 | kd3 | the modification time? |
| 04:25.25 | Kraps | Jerub: is that really real? |
| 04:25.41 | nicoli_s | well this is the file it uses to check to see if it needs to update a file |
| 04:25.49 | nicoli_s | so youd think it was just file content |
| 04:25.54 | nicoli_s | i guess i can try name + content |
| 04:25.58 | kd3 | kraps; yes. back in the 70s-ish |
| 04:26.06 | Jerub | kd3: try early 80s |
| 04:26.25 | Jerub | verging on mid-80s. |
| 04:26.26 | adys_ | nicoli_s, if it's not that you'll have more luck disassembling the damn thing, they could be salting it or w/e |
| 04:26.26 | Dagmar | Right, sooo... point of clarification. sha-1 produces a hash, which is a *number*. It's just represented as that 40-character string so it's visible |
| 04:26.26 | kd3 | oh, wait. cp/m. yeah, I guess so |
| 04:26.51 | Dagmar | Anything generating the same bit length number and using the same encoding is gonna give you a 40-char string |
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| 04:27.09 | Kraps | how much hard drive space would $3398 get you now? |
| 04:27.24 | adys_ | what is that, like a 2gb ssd? |
| 04:27.27 | adys_ | :P |
| 04:27.30 | Dagmar | hheheh |
| 04:27.52 | Dagmar | On a side note, something's eaten my damn loot frames |
| 04:28.17 | adys_ | maybe you're just a lootvore |
| 04:28.30 | Dagmar | WEll, I think I just missed out on a pumpkin bag |
| 04:28.34 | Dagmar | Either that or the server is on fire. |
| 04:28.42 | kd3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227517 |
| 04:28.46 | kd3 | wtf |
| 04:28.50 | Dagmar | I didn't see anything about the bag or the JP in teh combat log |
| 04:29.48 | Dagmar | kd3: Considering it's got eight units on it, I'm not suprised at the cost |
| 04:30.06 | kd3 | just, still. wtf |
| 04:30.12 | Dagmar | Also... it is fast as hell |
| 04:30.49 | kd3 | in other news; I have not been paying attention to how much the cost/gig ratio on rotating media has dropped |
| 04:31.02 | Dagmar | It's dropped quite a bit |
| 04:31.02 | kd3 | 2TB disks for $110? |
| 04:31.06 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 04:31.33 | ZorbaTHut | I wish the cost/gig would drop much faster on SSDs |
| 04:31.58 | adys_ | I wish for world peace, but yeah cheap SSDs would be good too |
| 04:32.04 | ZorbaTHut | I want an SSD main drive, but I want to be able to put my games and development on it, and that means like 750gb :/ |
| 04:32.06 | adys_ | either are just as likely tho |
| 04:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | nah, the latter's inevitable in time. I just want it to be *faster* |
| 04:32.23 | kd3 | screw world peace; I need to play wow faster now |
| 04:32.28 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:33.18 | adys_ | rent SSDs off some server and NFS-mount them to play wow, it's cheaper |
| 04:34.53 | kd3 | also; lol at xkcd |
| 04:35.36 | ZorbaTHut | huh, looks like we're hovering around $2-$3/gb for ssds now |
| 04:35.53 | Dagmar | ...for about the last year. |
| 04:36.07 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall it was higher than that a bit ago. it's still dropping steadily. |
| 04:41.24 | Matt646 | I'm planning on putting one of these (not with four boards though) in my next build: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/angelbirds-pcie-ssd-solution-brings-breakneck-speeds-achievabl/ |
| 04:42.01 | adys_ | what's with all the PCI ssds anyway? |
| 04:42.14 | Matt646 | They're crazy fast. |
| 04:43.11 | adys_ | isnt sata3 supposed to be faster? |
| 04:43.25 | Matt646 | The anglebird card is ~4x the seq read speed on the current intel drives. OCZ has a beast of a 1TB card thats even faster. |
| 04:44.00 | Matt646 | Sata 3 has 6Gb/s of bandwith but that doesn't matter when one drive/controller can't handle that much data |
| 04:44.46 | adys_ | i recall it being specifically for SSDs or something |
| 04:46.37 | Dagmar | There's no point in involving another bus when you can plug them straight into a pci express slot |
| 04:46.37 | Matt646 | Well yeah, there's no way you'll ever get 6Gb/s off a spindle disk without a billion of them in a raid |
| 04:47.48 | Matt646 | All of the sata 3 drives on newegg are 355MB/s read and up to 215MB/s write (which is 1/4-1/3 the speed of the AngelBird) |
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| 04:51.02 | Matt646 | and Dagmar is exactly right, PCIe 16x 2.x is already 8GB/s (2GB/s above SATA3), and PCIe 16x 3.0 slots will be 16GB/s... Skipping sata entirely and connecting into an already faster bus is easily a better solution |
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| 04:55.24 | Kraps | epic game is epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x60kZu5YkdM |
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| 04:57.59 | Mirrormn | machine best zerg in eg lul |
| 04:59.39 | Mirrormn | more like best zerg in eg to always get eliminated by incontrol in MLG |
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| 05:06.21 | DarthAndroid_ | nevcairiel: can I PM about an actionbar issue? |
| 05:07.31 | Shirik | I swear to god my roommate is the biggest moron on the face of this planet |
| 05:07.34 | Shirik | Someone get me out of here |
| 05:07.54 | adys_ | Shirik |
| 05:07.57 | Mirrormn | are you a celebrity? |
| 05:07.57 | adys_ | I am your roommate |
| 05:08.01 | Shirik | no |
| 05:08.11 | Mirrormn | then your request to "get me out of here" is denied :( |
| 05:11.02 | adys_ | Urgrggrgghghgh wikia |
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| 05:13.44 | Cairenn | snuggles Sargeras |
| 05:14.13 | Kraps | theres a lot of art on Nova/Ghost on deviantart |
| 05:16.00 | Cairenn | :( I skeered him away! |
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| 05:19.05 | Kraps | people should do more photo-realistic stuff like this http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs17/f/2007/225/f/9/Jaina_Proudmoore_by_cocoasweety.jpg |
| 05:19.17 | Cairenn | oh very nice! |
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| 05:20.25 | MoonWitch | Kraps .... nice would be an understatement and for once I'd like to not be responsible for dragging the room to the pervy room :) |
| 05:20.44 | Kraps | its not pervy :( |
| 05:21.23 | MoonWitch | oh believe me, what I'd say as compliment for the great looks of the photorealistic drawing would be pervy ;) |
| 05:21.50 | MoonWitch | is also very tired of Firefox beta 4 ... it keeps on crashing and being completely ridiculous |
| 05:22.01 | Kraps | ah, well you wont find me complaining :p |
| 05:22.16 | MoonWitch | Cairenn might get angry |
| 05:22.30 | DarthAndroid_ | I remember someone posting about how BT4 has broken the restricted environment - did that ever get resolved? I think I'm hitting the same bug. |
| 05:22.39 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: who are you talking about? certainly can't be me :p |
| 05:22.50 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: *hugs* |
| 05:22.55 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:22.56 | Cairenn | hugs |
| 05:23.40 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 05:23.49 | MoonWitch | well I am going for a smoke, and wait for people to get up I think |
| 05:23.50 | Dagmar | When the hell did hunters get the ability to track everything at once? |
| 05:24.10 | Kraps | Dagmar: EVERYONE GOT IT |
| 05:24.20 | Kraps | YOU AND YOU AND YOU |
| 05:24.29 | Baps | it was under their seats! |
| 05:24.49 | adys_ | pokes Cairenn |
| 05:24.55 | adys_ | Cairenn, I was greeted by a strange hand-sized fella when I came back home |
| 05:25.01 | adys_ | http://i.imgur.com/CzPIs.jpg |
| 05:25.14 | Cairenn | adys: awwwww!!!!! |
| 05:25.15 | MoonWitch | awww that's a terribly cute picture |
| 05:25.20 | adys_ | Cairenn, http://i.imgur.com/EgHWK.jpg |
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| 05:25.40 | Kraps | nice looking cat |
| 05:26.00 | MoonWitch | though be careful with her eye, might get infected |
| 05:26.06 | adys_ | barely a month old, yet he makes more sense than Fisker |
| 05:26.15 | Kraps | yeah whats with the eye? |
| 05:26.19 | MoonWitch | making more sense than Fisker isn't hard ;) |
| 05:26.32 | Fisker | kills Kraps |
| 05:26.34 | adys_ | Kraps, dirt |
| 05:26.53 | Kraps | fisker i didnt say anything! |
| 05:27.03 | MoonWitch | lolol |
| 05:28.46 | Fisker | i'm gonna fuck you |
| 05:29.08 | Aurorus | easy there Fisker :P |
| 05:29.12 | Kraps | kitten pics dont do anything for me usually because there are so many, but thats cool |
| 05:29.24 | unfo- | and here, in the amazon rain forest, we can observe the mating rituals of the almost extinct Fisker species. |
| 05:29.26 | Shefki | Anyone around that has a zhTW account that can help me for a few minutes? |
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| 05:30.10 | MoonWitch | I'm just not going to go there ..... |
| 05:30.16 | Kraps | Fisker: you gonna kill me or fuck me first? |
| 05:30.30 | adys_ | Cairenn, http://i.imgur.com/X7f8P.jpg |
| 05:30.32 | MoonWitch | Because when I am listening to Rascal Flatts, it gets dangerous. |
| 05:30.45 | Cairenn | adys_: awwww |
| 05:31.23 | Dagmar | Kraps: I knew everyone got tracking of like mailboxes and innkeepers and stuff, but I must have missed the patch notes where hunter undead/humanoid/beast/giant/etc tracking became more than just a toggle between them |
| 05:31.38 | Jamash | oldldldldld |
| 05:31.41 | Kraps | Dagmar: ah k |
| 05:31.51 | Dagmar | I expected to see humanoid tracking go away when I "switched" to beast tracking |
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| 05:31.59 | Shefki | Dagmar: They didn't document half of the stuff they changed with 4.0.1 |
| 05:32.07 | Dagmar | That must have been when it happene |
| 05:32.14 | Shefki | It was. |
| 05:32.21 | Dagmar | That's like, a major change to something I use all the time |
| 05:32.22 | Shefki | Tracking isn't limited to a single thing anymore. |
| 05:32.32 | Dagmar | Shefki: Yeah, I noticed |
| 05:32.35 | Dagmar | Freaked me out |
| 05:32.48 | unfo- | :) |
| 05:33.18 | Jamash | I don't want to alarm you but hunters don't have mana anymore |
| 05:33.26 | Dagmar | Pfft. |
| 05:33.45 | Dagmar | Tracking's counterbalance was that you could only see *some* stuff on the minimap at once |
| 05:33.48 | MoonWitch | going for a smoke :) |
| 05:33.57 | Jamash | also, druids? you can tame them |
| 05:34.02 | Dagmar | Now it's practically haxview. Sweet. |
| 05:34.02 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 05:34.10 | MoonWitch | only when in catform or bearform though |
| 05:34.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: I'm trying but they don't seem very amused |
| 05:34.32 | Jamash | it's a somewhat more involved process than normal animals |
| 05:34.34 | MoonWitch | But gnomes are fully tamable now! |
| 05:34.39 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:34.51 | Jamash | you might need to give them flowers, take them out to see a movie, buy them dinner, that sort of thing |
| 05:35.23 | MoonWitch | and then they still won't go past first base |
| 05:35.30 | Dagmar | Just get 'em drunk. |
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| 05:35.37 | Dagmar | One full-sized beer oughtta do it |
| 05:35.40 | Jamash | drunk bear = bad idea |
| 05:35.57 | MoonWitch | I thought we were talking about the gnomes :P |
| 05:36.03 | Kraps | MoonWitch: you need to signal the runner to advance |
| 05:36.11 | Jamash | I thought we were talking about gnome druids |
| 05:36.33 | MoonWitch | if it's about the bears -> shoot em with a tranq gun.. works like a charm |
| 05:36.57 | Fisker | why do i get everything but the damn headless horseman mount Kraps ? |
| 05:37.13 | MoonWitch | Fisker, we rigged the game to never give you that mount |
| 05:37.27 | Jamash | I stole your precious |
| 05:37.38 | Kraps | Fisker: i have same question |
| 05:38.30 | Fisker | well could you atleast rig it to drop the damn female troll mask? |
| 05:38.45 | Jamash | so I got on TF2 today |
| 05:38.53 | Jamash | and got killed by the headless horseman |
| 05:39.04 | Jamash | _he's everywhere_ |
| 05:40.01 | Fisker | old though |
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| 05:41.35 | Fisker | imma setup.exe you all Kraps |
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| 05:41.48 | Kraps | what does that mean |
| 05:42.00 | Fisker | it's so intense |
| 05:42.24 | Fisker | This application has encountered a critical error: |
| 05:42.24 | Fisker | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 05:42.26 | Fisker | so intense |
| 05:42.27 | Fisker | WTF |
| 05:42.29 | Jamash | he's going to unpack your self-extracting archive and install your files onto his hard drive, if you know what I mean |
| 05:42.29 | Fisker | FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 05:42.44 | Fisker | oh |
| 05:42.47 | MoonWitch | feels sick.. |
| 05:42.53 | Fisker | it just pretended to reboot my computer |
| 05:42.53 | Kraps | hey |
| 05:43.18 | MoonWitch | it's like watching really bad porn |
| 05:43.19 | Jamash | it's the hit new suspense movie |
| 05:43.26 | Jamash | "Fatal Exception" |
| 05:43.52 | Kraps | what are you guys dressing up as on halloween? |
| 05:44.01 | Jamash | my house |
| 05:44.11 | MoonWitch | I'm going as myself ... that's scary enough for most |
| 05:45.09 | Kraps | Fisker: are you dressing as a tree? |
| 05:45.12 | MoonWitch | also I got a sabbat on my hands, so no halloween parties for me |
| 05:45.19 | Fisker | i wish Kraps |
| 05:45.34 | Kraps | a what MoonWitch? |
| 05:45.46 | Dagmar | I have a flimsy male dwarf mask |
| 05:45.57 | MoonWitch | sabbat = witches' holiday ... we get 8 a year |
| 05:46.12 | Kraps | sweet |
| 05:46.32 | Dagmar | Everyone gets 8 a year |
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| 05:46.59 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 05:47.22 | Kraps | o/ |
| 05:47.24 | Cairenn | hi bluspacecow |
| 05:47.26 | Dagmar | I blame the Christians, personally. |
| 05:47.34 | bluspacecow | Caireen! |
| 05:47.41 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 05:47.46 | bluspacecow | still i mispell your name |
| 05:47.46 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 05:47.51 | Cairenn | That's okay |
| 05:47.54 | Cairenn | Everyone does :) |
| 05:47.56 | bluspacecow | anyway guess what ! |
| 05:48.00 | MoonWitch | type cai and hit tab :) |
| 05:48.00 | Cairenn | go go tab complete ;) |
| 05:48.05 | Cairenn | what? |
| 05:48.37 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026327173&sid=1&pageNo=4 |
| 05:48.40 | Kraps | Dagmar: i'm an expert on disney child stars in general |
| 05:48.42 | bluspacecow | I R protodrake |
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| 05:48.53 | Cairenn | grats? |
| 05:49.00 | Cairenn | I r human |
| 05:49.04 | bluspacecow | i mean MVP |
| 05:49.05 | bluspacecow | silly |
| 05:49.27 | Cairenn | I know, was teasing, and ... my condolences |
| 05:49.46 | Kraps | grats bluspacecow |
| 05:50.59 | MoonWitch | gratz and my condolences as well |
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| 05:51.18 | Fisker | Im MVP |
| 05:51.45 | Jamash | most virulent pestilence |
| 05:51.55 | Kraps | harsh Jamash |
| 05:51.59 | Kraps | but true |
| 05:52.10 | Fisker | aww |
| 05:52.20 | Jamash | manly viking prince |
| 05:52.20 | Fisker | my wow client now crashes on connecting :( |
| 05:52.23 | mikma | lol lol mvp |
| 05:52.31 | mikma | bluspacecow: us or eu? |
| 05:52.32 | Fisker | haha bluspacecow |
| 05:52.38 | Fisker | apple hardware technician |
| 05:52.44 | bluspacecow | US |
| 05:52.44 | Jamash | delete cache folders indiscriminately |
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| 05:53.02 | mikma | bluspacecow: oh, then nvm |
| 05:54.50 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 05:54.55 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/92b0f077-2627-4052-a19b-2a4c1ecfc301.jpg |
| 05:55.05 | Fisker | my cache is huge |
| 05:55.20 | MoonWitch | Kraps: I've done that -- to my boss once actually .. |
| 05:55.28 | Kraps | oof |
| 05:55.38 | MoonWitch | she saw the humor in it |
| 05:56.00 | Kraps | i'll show you mine if you show me yours Fisker |
| 05:56.20 | Jamash | I'm loaded with cache |
| 05:57.08 | Jamash | wait, I should have said "flush", that would be even nerdier |
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| 05:57.46 | mikma | kraps: retards, mikma. |
| 05:58.07 | Fisker | also |
| 05:58.12 | Jamash | butts |
| 05:58.31 | Fisker | the actually made sounds into ogg :O |
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| 06:00.33 | mikma | ~jamash++ |
| 06:01.17 | Kraps | BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/87750696-a891-40a0-8252-dfd49e5e3cec.jpg |
| 06:02.18 | mikma | !g nose fuck |
| 06:02.18 | batbot | mikma: YouTube - FUCK MY NOSE <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEPc5oY6hs8> |
| 06:02.27 | mikma | yeah |
| 06:02.37 | Fisker | that mikma's a spy |
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| 06:02.55 | mikma | thanks fisker |
| 06:03.39 | bluspacecow | 200 emails |
| 06:03.44 | bluspacecow | f this time for a nap |
| 06:03.48 | Fisker | why don't they just put that mount and troll female mask in my fucking bag? |
| 06:03.49 | Kraps | ALSO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbRT5jWtlY4&NR=1 |
| 06:03.53 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 06:03.57 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:04.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 06:04.08 | Fisker | that's what i started watching as well Kraps |
| 06:04.17 | Kraps | ahahahahahaha |
| 06:04.38 | mikma | started watching from what |
| 06:05.03 | Kraps | what you searched |
| 06:05.16 | mikma | oh neat, how was it? |
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| 06:06.46 | Kraps | i was almost turned on, which disturbed me |
| 06:07.12 | zenzio | you rolled a blood elf? |
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| 06:08.59 | Kraps | which lead to finding out that there are a LOT of lesbian kissing videos on youtube |
| 06:09.20 | Amarande | zenzio, what's wrong with blood elves? |
| 06:09.58 | Amarande | also, exactly what arcane coding technique IS blizzard using that causes most of their recent games (it apparently happens with WoW AND SC2, though I don't have the latter myself) to register as hack attempts to Comodo and such AV? |
| 06:10.12 | Jamash | warden? |
| 06:10.47 | Amarande | Warden uses shellcode injection? |
| 06:10.57 | Jamash | idk my bff jill? |
| 06:11.12 | Amarande | That's what Comodo claims Blizzard games are guilty of, anyway, and regards it as critical enough that even simply making them Trusted Files isn't good enough, you have to specifically give an exception to the buffer overflow protection |
| 06:11.43 | adys_ | http://i.imgur.com/g6qCf.png |
| 06:11.45 | adys_ | bloody epic |
| 06:12.19 | Jamash | wat? |
| 06:13.12 | Amarande | You know the fun thing is I remember back on my first computer platform, self-modifying code was actually considered an acceptable and even useful programming technique in certain cases |
| 06:13.20 | Amarande | now it's considered a Great Satan to be avoided at all costs |
| 06:13.35 | adys_ | Jamash, watch it instead of watting |
| 06:13.58 | Amarande | Granted, of course, part of that was because self-modifying code allowed for more to be done with a mere 64K address space |
| 06:14.09 | Jamash | adys_ it's a png |
| 06:14.19 | adys_ | and it has the details at the bottom |
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| 06:16.24 | Jamash | no, this is epic http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/GilgameshTablet.jpg |
| 06:18.59 | Jamash | and on that note, I leave you |
| 06:19.12 | adys_ | bye |
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| 06:57.34 | Lulia | One frame can be registered to multiple events? |
| 06:58.27 | zenzio | yes |
| 06:58.53 | Lulia | :) Alrighty |
| 07:04.35 | cbreak_work | Lulia: I use that technique |
| 07:04.43 | cbreak_work | one event handler, one event frame it is attached to |
| 07:04.55 | Lulia | For all your events? |
| 07:04.57 | cbreak_work | the event handler uses a lookup table for event dispatching |
| 07:04.58 | cbreak_work | yes |
| 07:05.01 | Lulia | wow |
| 07:05.12 | Lulia | Didn't think of that, but it could consolidate quite a bit ;) |
| 07:05.13 | cbreak_work | only use 5 to 10 different events though |
| 07:05.18 | cbreak_work | my addons are not that complex |
| 07:05.27 | cbreak_work | the dispatcher is three lines |
| 07:05.36 | cbreak_work | could be shorter if I wanted to too. |
| 07:06.27 | cbreak_work | basically: dispatcher = function (frame, event, ...) dispatchTable[event](...) end |
| 07:06.47 | Lulia | Hmm, I mean I can sett how it would be setup. I just didn't think of it. |
| 07:06.54 | cbreak_work | (I check if the event exists in the table, but that's just for correctness, I don't register events myself I can't handle) |
| 07:07.06 | Lulia | Currently I only have one frame tied to two events (just now) "UNIT_POWER" and "RUNE_POWER_CHANGE" |
| 07:07.23 | Lulia | :) |
| 07:07.37 | Lulia | Since I discovered UnitPower("Player",5) is useless... |
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| 07:07.52 | cbreak_work | I have an addon called bartracker. it makes pretty bar graphs of your health, mana, ... changes during a fight |
| 07:07.58 | cbreak_work | not sure if it still works in 4.0 though |
| 07:08.10 | cbreak_work | probably doesn't, wrote it years ago without much change |
| 07:08.17 | Lulia | heh |
| 07:08.52 | cbreak_work | finally had to remove the "this" and "arg1" things from an addon I wrote in 2005 :) |
| 07:09.07 | cbreak_work | don't think I had to touch that addon before since then |
| 07:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | I ended up writing my own event hook system |
| 07:10.10 | ZorbaTHut | the whole event-hooked-to-frames thing is just needlessly complex IMHO |
| 07:11.04 | Lulia | :-./ |
| 07:13.34 | cbreak_work | yeah, but I understand why bliz did it that way |
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| 07:33.44 | Lulia | Wait a sec... |
| 07:33.55 | Lulia | Oh man |
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| 08:17.31 | Lulia | Anyone awake? |
| 08:17.37 | Maldivia | nope |
| 08:17.43 | Maldivia | ;) |
| 08:17.45 | cbreak_work | my employer would not like it if I wasn't |
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| 08:18.14 | Lulia | How is it that 0,0 of "TOPLEFT" in a frame is actually like 200px above the frame?? |
| 08:18.31 | Maldivia | cbreak, well that's physically... are you mentally awake |
| 08:18.47 | cbreak_work | Lulia: maybe it has a border? :) |
| 08:18.55 | Lulia | Here, let me show you |
| 08:19.11 | cbreak_work | Maldivia: I have to do windows programming :/... that's not really bearable with 100% attention |
| 08:19.37 | Maldivia | could also be the visusl part of the frame is 200px below |
| 08:20.04 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/200pxabove.jpg |
| 08:20.14 | Lulia | The topleft rune there is at 0,0, set to "TOPLEFT" |
| 08:20.19 | Maldivia | cbreak, I would argue it isn't with 100% either |
| 08:20.24 | Lulia | The ghosted black background is the parent frame |
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| 08:21.32 | Maldivia | paste your setpoint |
| 08:21.49 | Lulia | Rune1Frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", PowerBars.BasePowFrame, "TOPLEFT", 0, 0); |
| 08:21.55 | Lulia | There's 6 setpoints, 1 for each rune |
| 08:21.59 | Lulia | There's 1 of them |
| 08:22.08 | Lulia | That's the topleft rune, which is a frost rune |
| 08:22.10 | Lulia | in the pic |
| 08:23.04 | Maldivia | well, looks like the anchoring for the bsckground is off then |
| 08:23.41 | Lulia | How? Why? |
| 08:23.42 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 08:24.25 | Maldivia | how is the bsckground anchored |
| 08:24.27 | Lulia | BasePowTexture:SetTexture(0,0,0,.5); |
| 08:24.29 | Lulia | oops |
| 08:24.34 | Lulia | BasePowTexture:SetAllPoints(BasePowFrame); |
| 08:25.29 | Maldivia | hmm, and havent been playing with insets, or scale ? |
| 08:26.35 | cbreak_work | did you clear the points before setting them all? |
| 08:26.37 | Lulia | My UI scale in video is below 1.0 |
| 08:27.01 | Maldivia | well scale on the individual widgets |
| 08:27.31 | Lulia | The user is able to resize, and that sets the scale |
| 08:27.37 | Lulia | But I havent touched that yet |
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| 08:27.43 | Lulia | It's currently in its "default" state |
| 08:29.13 | Maldivia | and you dont accedentially change the .basepowframe assignment, so it anchors to another frame ? |
| 08:29.44 | mitch0 | anyone got sample code to rotate an image with SetTexCoords? |
| 08:29.49 | Lulia | BasePowFrame is always anchored to the UIParent |
| 08:29.57 | Lulia | It's the parent frame of all of the frames in my Addon |
| 08:30.05 | Lulia | Aside from panel ones and the movement dialog |
| 08:30.14 | Maldivia | mitch, look at the wiki |
| 08:30.22 | mitch0 | which one? :) |
| 08:30.51 | Maldivia | wowwiki or the new one |
| 08:31.31 | Lulia | wowpedia! |
| 08:31.52 | Lulia | I mean, I can adjust it so that it's not anchored 0,0 and I'm sure it will fit |
| 08:31.58 | Lulia | It's just odd that it can't be 0,0 |
| 08:32.08 | Lulia | And I'm worried it will be different for different computers. |
| 08:32.17 | Lulia | As long as it's like this across systems, I suppose I can live with it |
| 08:32.20 | Maldivia | well, it should work with 0,0 |
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| 08:32.46 | Maldivia | you probably have a bug in your code |
| 08:32.53 | Lulia | O.o |
| 08:32.55 | Lulia | But where? |
| 08:32.56 | mitch0 | btw, adding the iconCoords thing to ldb spec was a bit blotched |
| 08:32.59 | Lulia | It makes no sense. |
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| 08:33.36 | Lulia | I hate bugs like this |
| 08:33.43 | mitch0 | maldivia: thanks, perfect |
| 08:33.45 | Lulia | Takes me forever and lots of help to find them :( |
| 08:36.46 | Lulia | I think I'll work on getting the other aspects working and look at it later. Assuming it's uniform, it should apply across all things equally :) |
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| 08:42.38 | mitch0 | does SetTexCoord accept negative ULx etc values? |
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| 08:47.53 | TomEpish | Hi, anyone here who could help me on an issue with the blizz quest tracker? |
| 08:49.56 | jnwhiteh | we don't know until you ask =) |
| 08:51.18 | unfo- | http://www.hm2k.com/articles/how-to-ask-a-question |
| 08:51.20 | unfo- | ^ ftw |
| 08:52.05 | TomEpish | hm, that's a point =) ... I am searching for the WOWApi function to set the currently tracked quest so the yellow arrow in the minimap will point to the concerning quest area |
| 08:52.48 | TomEpish | i tried AddQuestWatch but it seems thats the wrong one |
| 08:53.47 | zenzio | isn't the "yellow arrow" usually pointing to the quest that's highlighted (selected) in the quest log? |
| 08:54.01 | zenzio | or did I just not pay enough attention to those things |
| 08:55.38 | Flowy | zenzio yes if you have a blizzard quest helper allowed |
| 08:57.43 | TomEpish | hm so SelectQuestLogEntry(qid) should already do this if qid is the correct questId? ... |
| 08:57.45 | Lulia | Apparently Rune Type isn't available at PLAYER_ALIVE :( |
| 08:59.26 | Flowy | TomEpish its possible only if the quest tracker is opened ... imo |
| 09:00.32 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: why didn't you add a new icon field to LDB when you guys added iconCoords? |
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| 09:00.44 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 09:00.59 | mitch0 | like, iconBase or somesuch |
| 09:01.38 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: what would it do? |
| 09:01.49 | mitch0 | the same, but wouldn't screw up the old .icon |
| 09:02.09 | jnwhiteh | I dont understand how .icon has been screwed up? |
| 09:02.13 | mitch0 | like, displays would use iconBase + iconCoords if supported, otherwise just use .icon |
| 09:02.15 | Lulia | Hey there, Angayelle |
| 09:02.17 | TomEpish | hm... quest tracker is opened... but it doesn't work for me... maybe I have an error at another place... thanks for help |
| 09:02.35 | jnwhiteh | because iconCoords are just amodifier |
| 09:02.38 | mitch0 | well, what would a display do with tomtom's icon if it doesn't support iconCoords? |
| 09:03.07 | jnwhiteh | it displays the icon file i specify |
| 09:03.07 | mitch0 | afaik tomtom has a bunch of arrows in its 'icon' and selects a region with iconcoords. isn't that the case? |
| 09:03.20 | jnwhiteh | same with colors |
| 09:03.28 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 09:03.34 | mitch0 | so, it blotches it |
| 09:03.38 | jnwhiteh | so they should support iconCoords |
| 09:03.50 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:04.08 | mitch0 | actually, my current issue is that I can't put tomtom's icon in the config list |
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| 09:04.32 | jnwhiteh | well the real answer is because color was already there, and no one asked this question |
| 09:04.39 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 09:04.45 | jnwhiteh | I think its more thanreasonable. |
| 09:04.47 | mitch0 | yeah, it's kinda too late now |
| 09:04.54 | jnwhiteh | i gotta go, bbl. |
| 09:05.04 | Angayelle | got a small question regarding COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, got the event registered right for my addon, but can't get to my conditionals to work, care to have a look ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142217 |
| 09:05.06 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: could you add a .staticIcon field? |
| 09:05.08 | mitch0 | to tomtom |
| 09:05.18 | mitch0 | gah. he ran away |
| 09:06.06 | Angayelle | if i move the print stuff to make it fire on each event it works |
| 09:06.22 | Angayelle | too with the combureport conditional |
| 09:07.02 | Angayelle | with with the spellid and spell periodic damage it doesn't enymore |
| 09:07.34 | Angayelle | could it come from the local varibales i declared before ? |
| 09:07.41 | Angayelle | so much typos |
| 09:11.19 | Angayelle | hmmm the event spell periodic damage is not working, spellid is |
| 09:11.49 | TomEpish | me again =) ... you were right concerning the currently selected quest in log. Add and remove watch list works but the blizz tracker isn't refreshing |
| 09:12.04 | TomEpish | which event do I have to fire for this? |
| 09:12.28 | Angayelle | ok stupid me i forgot the " around the event, now you can mock me |
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| 09:15.13 | Lulia | Hmm, when a Rune becomes a Death Rune, that doesn't count as a RUNE_POWER_UPDATE |
| 09:15.17 | Lulia | Which is an issue |
| 09:15.44 | Angayelle | which event does it fire in /eventtrace ? |
| 09:16.02 | Lulia | Oh, RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE might be it |
| 09:16.17 | Angayelle | have eventtrace running and just look |
| 09:16.30 | Angayelle | just don't be in a capitals cause it's spammy |
| 09:17.08 | Lulia | :P |
| 09:17.24 | Lulia | RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE was it :) |
| 09:17.37 | Angayelle | gg |
| 09:18.35 | Lulia | I wish I could fix this weird offset issue |
| 09:19.12 | Angayelle | with your fontsize ? not done yet ? |
| 09:19.43 | Lulia | No, no |
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| 09:19.55 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/200pxabove.jpg |
| 09:20.13 | Lulia | The topleft rune (frost) is set to TOPLEFT TOPLEFT 0 0 |
| 09:20.24 | Lulia | The ghosted black background is its parent frame |
| 09:20.46 | Angayelle | using xml or full lua ? |
| 09:22.33 | Lulia | full lua |
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| 09:25.20 | Angayelle | mmmh i'm not used to full lua, post the code anyway |
| 09:28.31 | Lulia | Which part? |
| 09:30.19 | Lulia | >.> |
| 09:30.38 | Angayelle | well the one with the frame, ehe |
| 09:32.52 | Lulia | There's several frames in there |
| 09:33.00 | Lulia | There's the Base frame, which is the parent one |
| 09:33.04 | Lulia | And then 6 rune frames |
| 09:33.36 | Angayelle | all the rune frames are linked to each other with relative to ? |
| 09:33.54 | Lulia | All of the rune frames are childfren of the Base frame |
| 09:34.26 | Lulia | children* |
| 09:37.12 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2724/ |
| 09:37.18 | Lulia | BasePowFrame is in a separate function |
| 09:37.29 | Lulia | I took it out because there's no need to see the whole function |
| 09:37.54 | Lulia | It should be noted that there's another frame in the mix that isn't being used called PowFrame |
| 09:37.59 | Lulia | It's a child of basepowframe |
| 09:38.08 | Lulia | And is set to all points of basepowframe |
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| 09:43.15 | Angayelle | line41 shouldn't be ? Rune1Frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", PBBasePowFrame, "TOPLEFT", 0, 0); |
| 09:43.57 | Angayelle | cause it seems you're calling the function as relative to your rune isntead of the frame |
| 09:45.44 | Lulia | Line 40: Rune1Frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", PowerBars.BasePowFrame, "TOPLEFT", 0, 0); |
| 09:45.53 | Lulia | I'm placing it relative to the parent frame |
| 09:47.04 | Angayelle | yes but the parent frame should be "PBBasePowFrame" , PowerBars.BasePowFrame is the name of the function which create "PBBasePowFrame" no ? |
| 09:47.10 | Angayelle | or it's same thing ? |
| 09:48.13 | Lulia | They're the same thing |
| 09:48.21 | Lulia | PowerBars.BasePowFrame is just the variable name |
| 09:48.30 | Lulia | As opposed to its given name |
| 09:48.35 | Lulia | But they should be the same thing |
| 09:49.10 | Angayelle | why calling the calling the variable instead of the frame directly then ? (maybe noob question) |
| 09:49.16 | Lulia | I'll switch it out for shits and giggles |
| 09:49.27 | Lulia | I just prefer to call it by its variable name |
| 09:49.55 | Lulia | Changing to its given name made no difference :P |
| 09:50.08 | Angayelle | ok that is settled at least |
| 09:50.15 | cbreak_work | Lulia: it's not a variable name |
| 09:50.25 | Lulia | ? |
| 09:50.38 | cbreak_work | and you can't really use frames by their given name either. |
| 09:50.41 | Lulia | It's the name of the variable where it's stored |
| 09:50.57 | Lulia | Whatever you want to call it after that is just an argument of semantics |
| 09:51.00 | cbreak_work | what you can do is use the global variable the frames get stored in when you give them a name |
| 09:51.16 | cbreak_work | like PBAsePowFrame or what ever |
| 09:51.30 | cbreak_work | but PowerBars.BasePowFrame is not a variable, it's just a field in a table |
| 09:51.37 | Lulia | It's stored in PowerBars.BasePowFrame |
| 09:51.37 | cbreak_work | (global variables are also just fields in a table) |
| 09:51.50 | Lulia | It works like a variable. |
| 09:51.58 | Lulia | That's its effective use. |
| 09:52.00 | cbreak_work | all frames are stored in a global variable with their name |
| 09:52.12 | Lulia | They don't have to be given a name though |
| 09:52.21 | cbreak_work | indeed |
| 09:52.28 | Lulia | I just chose to give mine a name |
| 09:52.31 | cbreak_work | the frames I create for event handling usually don't have one |
| 09:52.36 | Lulia | But it makes no difference, that's not what's causing the issue |
| 09:52.47 | Lulia | I honestly have no idea why it's offset |
| 09:52.51 | Lulia | But it's bugging the piss out of me |
| 09:53.01 | cbreak_work | but some wow api functions want a name |
| 09:53.10 | cbreak_work | they can't take the actual frame as argument |
| 09:53.18 | cbreak_work | well, maybe that changed in the past years |
| 09:53.46 | Lulia | I use the frame for the argument for all of my setpoints |
| 09:53.52 | Lulia | And it has worked in all of them |
| 09:54.28 | Angayelle | you could maybe change to : Rune1Frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", PowerBars.BasePowFrame, "TOPLEFT", 0, ((PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Height*0.33)*2)) but that's a band aid |
| 09:54.29 | cbreak_work | I don't remember which methods that were |
| 09:54.46 | Angayelle | it would lower the frame by 2 times their height |
| 09:55.33 | Angayelle | oops forgot the - sign |
| 09:55.42 | Lulia | I mean, I could play with it until they all fit in the frame |
| 09:55.45 | Lulia | That's not the issue |
| 09:55.58 | Angayelle | nope that's just a fix |
| 09:56.11 | Lulia | I'm worried that other people's machines will handle it fine |
| 09:56.20 | Lulia | So the "fix" for my machine will just cause it to skew on theirs |
| 09:56.26 | Angayelle | off to lunch now, gl lulia |
| 09:56.35 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 09:57.14 | Angayelle | this shouldn't be a different thing on others machine unless there is some variables breaking it on yours |
| 09:57.25 | Angayelle | be it globals or locals |
| 09:57.43 | Fisker | yay |
| 09:57.45 | cbreak_work | other people have different screen sizes, different UI scale, different other addons |
| 09:57.49 | Fisker | my authenticator code was 422 |
| 09:57.52 | cbreak_work | many things can conflict |
| 09:58.00 | cbreak_work | Fisker: short. |
| 09:58.06 | Fisker | very |
| 09:58.43 | Angayelle | did you tried to deleting your savedvariables files for your addon lulia ? |
| 09:58.52 | Angayelle | to have a clean state ? |
| 10:00.44 | Lulia | cbreak, that's why I'm worried |
| 10:00.53 | Lulia | and I haven't, Angayelle, but none of them should be |
| 10:01.21 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2725/ |
| 10:01.31 | Flowy | why it shows the frame on start? |
| 10:02.08 | Lulia | I think it always shows interface panel frames |
| 10:02.16 | Lulia | You need to explicitly hide them |
| 10:02.32 | Flowy | ok |
| 10:02.46 | Flowy | and why it shows as child of my first addon in the list? |
| 10:02.57 | Flowy | (it shows under atlasloot) |
| 10:04.35 | Lulia | You need to set the parent to its own panel |
| 10:04.53 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 10:05.06 | Lulia | Here's how my Addon does it: |
| 10:05.08 | Lulia | PowerBars.panel = CreateFrame("FRAME", "PBPanel", UIParent); |
| 10:05.08 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.08 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.22 | Flowy | you are not using acegui right? |
| 10:05.30 | Lulia | Nope |
| 10:08.45 | Lulia | cooldown frames, yay, another thing to learn! |
| 10:08.46 | Lulia | :P |
| 10:11.22 | Lulia | With rune CDs, there's the problem of them not technically starting their CD until another one finishes |
| 10:11.28 | Lulia | How am I supposed to handle that? |
| 10:15.47 | Flowy | using a onupdate? |
| 10:16.59 | Flowy | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRuneCooldown |
| 10:19.41 | Lulia | The information given by GetRuneCooldown in print is gibberish to me |
| 10:20.07 | zenzio | gibberish how? |
| 10:22.30 | Lulia | 158557.904 |
| 10:22.38 | Lulia | that's what it gave me |
| 10:22.46 | zenzio | is that the only return it gives you? |
| 10:22.53 | Lulia | yup |
| 10:23.13 | zenzio | then for debug purposes you may want to use /dump instead |
| 10:23.17 | zenzio | but regardless |
| 10:23.19 | Lulia | Trying it in script instead of a macro so I can put all of the returns in separate variables. But when I did UnitBuff in a print statement it gave me separate returns |
| 10:24.26 | zenzio | the page says "start - Used for Cooldown Object, duration - Used for Cooldown Object, runeReady - If the rune is "cooled" or not" - now I haven't worked with this, but I assume you'd take these return values, pass them on to your Cooldown object, and it would understand what they were |
| 10:24.38 | nebula169 | first return is just GetTime() for when it was used |
| 10:25.19 | Flowy | its all you need |
| 10:25.22 | Flowy | start and duration |
| 10:27.00 | Lulia | That doesnt tell me when it has started |
| 10:27.06 | Lulia | Since the cooldown is delayed for runes |
| 10:27.12 | Lulia | Until the rune before it finishes |
| 10:29.45 | Lulia | Now if start is telling it the time to start the CD |
| 10:29.49 | Lulia | Then that might account for it |
| 10:30.33 | Flowy | make event when rune used |
| 10:31.05 | Flowy | then count down by update diff from cooldown you return on each rune |
| 10:31.55 | Lulia | I already have all of that |
| 10:32.05 | Lulia | I'm just going to be putting a font timer on top of it |
| 10:32.44 | zenzio | Lulia: try something like /script local t=GetTime(); local s=GetRuneCooldown(whicheverId); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Now: " .. t .. " - Then: " .. s); |
| 10:32.59 | zenzio | and you'll see if it's in the future or not |
| 10:33.45 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.48 | Flowy | the S is when the rune starts |
| 10:33.57 | Maldivia | or ? |
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| 10:34.29 | Flowy | first return in GetRuneCooldown(1) is time when it was started |
| 10:35.31 | Flowy | for getting how much time it will be on cooldown use local s,d = GetRuneCooldown(1); print(d - GetTime() + s) |
| 10:35.37 | Lulia | Well, I'm presuming it might work differently for Runes though, Flowy |
| 10:35.41 | Lulia | If it doesn't, there's a problem |
| 10:35.46 | zenzio | why don't you *try* what we said and tell us? |
| 10:35.50 | Lulia | Because the Rune CD doesn't start right when it goes on CD |
| 10:36.00 | Lulia | I'm working on that Zenzio |
| 10:36.11 | Lulia | Give me a sec, sheesh |
| 10:36.25 | Flowy | Lulia this is just function that returns the time when it was used and the full cd |
| 10:36.38 | Flowy | its for each rune separated by ID |
| 10:37.07 | Flowy | try example what means "the Rune CD doesn't start right when it goes on CD" |
| 10:37.54 | Flowy | or ... what you want to do |
| 10:38.01 | Lulia | I think it gives the future time that it's to start, Zenzio |
| 10:38.11 | Flowy | calling GetTime() is bad idea in onupdate event (as someone said) |
| 10:38.14 | Lulia | I hit heart strike twice |
| 10:38.23 | Lulia | And the second time I hit it the second rune went on CD |
| 10:38.52 | Lulia | The time it gave was 159917.902, but the current time was 159917.987, oh, hmm, wait |
| 10:39.01 | Lulia | That current time came after the rune start |
| 10:39.08 | Lulia | So that's just the delay of the script |
| 10:39.38 | cbreak_work | if you have 20fps, one frame takes 0.05 seconds. |
| 10:39.38 | Flowy | dont use gettime in onupdate each time its fired ... |
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| 10:41.39 | Lulia | Well, the specifics aren't important, cbreak. If the start time was given for when the cd WOULD start it would necessarily be a later time than the current time. |
| 10:41.41 | Lulia | But it's not. |
| 10:42.13 | cbreak_work | it doesn't give the start time anyway |
| 10:42.24 | Lulia | ? |
| 10:42.34 | cbreak_work | since for every cast, there are at least two relevant start times. |
| 10:42.41 | cbreak_work | + a few other ones that don't matter much |
| 10:42.47 | cbreak_work | they are all different |
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| 10:43.02 | Lulia | Then how do I know when the CD for the rune has actually started to begin the timer? |
| 10:43.12 | Lulia | It doesnt start right when it goes on CD |
| 10:43.20 | cbreak_work | you can't know it, because the timer starts on the server. |
| 10:43.20 | Flowy | its the first return in getrunecooldown |
| 10:43.27 | cbreak_work | there's a local timer too, which you can get |
| 10:43.35 | cbreak_work | but that's mainly used for display |
| 10:43.46 | Lulia | Flowy, that number is when it starts, but when it goes on CD, which is different. |
| 10:43.56 | Lulia | not when it starts* |
| 10:44.34 | Flowy | what is diferent in time when the cooldown start to coundown and when the rune goes on cd? |
| 10:44.41 | Lulia | On the upside, I figured out why the runes were offset in the frame |
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| 10:45.23 | cbreak_work | tell! |
| 10:45.26 | Lulia | Blood Runes are the first runes, not frost runes. |
| 10:45.34 | Lulia | And the Blood Runes were in the proper place |
| 10:45.49 | Lulia | The Y-values for the other runes were positive, which means they would go up above the TOPLEFT axis |
| 10:45.57 | Lulia | I had to make them negative in order for them to go below |
| 10:45.58 | Lulia | >.> |
| 10:46.11 | Flowy | what is >.>? |
| 10:46.39 | Lulia | Shifty eyes |
| 10:46.50 | cbreak_work | a smiley with big eyes |
| 10:47.05 | cbreak_work | <.< is a smiley with small eyes. |
| 10:47.22 | bluspacecow | its a guilty look to the right |
| 10:48.16 | Lulia | Well, direction usually isn't important |
| 10:48.23 | Lulia | It's just a guilty look |
| 10:48.31 | Lulia | I felt guilty for having such a dumb error |
| 10:50.26 | Flowy | if there is event when the runes starts cooldown dont use GetTime at all |
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| 10:56.06 | Computerpunk | Anyone got any idea what changed with Mail notice, and mail receival? SpecialEvents-2.0 pops out message one hour earlier. |
| 10:57.57 | Lulia | heh, the cooldown animation appears as a square when the rune texture is a circle |
| 10:57.59 | Lulia | fun... |
| 10:58.50 | cbreak_work | nah... |
| 10:58.54 | cbreak_work | it always appears as square |
| 10:59.31 | cbreak_work | made for square things |
| 11:01.05 | Lulia | I'm aware |
| 11:01.17 | Lulia | Though the default UI runes |
| 11:01.25 | Lulia | Have a circle cooldown animation |
| 11:01.39 | Lulia | I guess I could make my runes square >.> |
| 11:01.44 | Flowy | no |
| 11:01.50 | Flowy | just make the cooldown bigger |
| 11:01.58 | Maldivia | just copy what the default UI does :) |
| 11:02.04 | Flowy | then your circle is in your square |
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| 11:03.24 | cbreak_work | or make a different animation |
| 11:03.39 | cbreak_work | fill the rune vertically |
| 11:03.45 | Lulia | I have no clue where to see what the UI does |
| 11:03.53 | cbreak_work | read framexml |
| 11:04.09 | Lulia | But I'm sure they just use a lot of images, and I don't want to make the addon bigger than need be. The cooldown can be square, I'm not a perfectionist. |
| 11:04.10 | Lulia | :) |
| 11:04.16 | Lulia | framexml? |
| 11:04.42 | Maldivia | framexml is the code for the blizzard UI |
| 11:04.46 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 11:04.46 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 11:07.12 | Lulia | eww |
| 11:07.15 | Lulia | they use xml files |
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| 11:14.31 | Lulia | I actually don't see anything in this which would show why it's a circle |
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| 11:25.11 | Maldivia | Lulia: it's because the cooldown animation is behind the border, which is round |
| 11:25.36 | Lulia | huh? |
| 11:26.20 | Lulia | So you're saying I need 3 layers then? |
| 11:26.25 | Lulia | The bottom, rune image |
| 11:26.35 | Lulia | a middle layer to the size of the rune image which is the cooldown timer |
| 11:26.43 | Lulia | and a top image which is the border of the rune? |
| 11:27.12 | Lulia | Which will mask the square edges |
| 11:27.15 | Maldivia | well, it looks like that's how they have it in the stock ui |
| 11:27.29 | Lulia | I can do that... going to take some work though |
| 11:27.30 | Lulia | ugh |
| 11:29.13 | Lulia | The major problem is that the image size difference between the inner rune and the border will be smaller than a power of two |
| 11:30.31 | Lulia | I guess I'll have to make the border double the size of the inner rune and then resize using frame widths? |
| 11:30.37 | Lulia | and heights |
| 11:30.40 | Flowy | you can have texture out of main frame |
| 11:31.06 | Flowy | (event in acegui ...) |
| 11:31.33 | Flowy | *even |
| 11:31.45 | Lulia | I dont use acegui |
| 11:32.03 | Flowy | it was in () |
| 11:39.49 | Computerpunk | ~dns localhost |
| 11:39.55 | Computerpunk | awww. |
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| 12:18.48 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: then dont play it at night |
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| 12:34.19 | Flowy | is there a list of blizzard "virtuals"? |
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| 12:36.58 | Cide | what the fuck is a virtual in lua |
| 12:37.41 | Flowy | mean inherits in xml |
| 12:37.55 | Cide | look up the source |
| 12:38.11 | Flowy | ok is there list of inherits? |
| 12:38.58 | Cide | LOOK UP THE SOURCE DUDE |
| 12:39.08 | nebula169 | its like an interface, you can't access it directly, but you can inherit it |
| 12:39.08 | Cide | it's all there |
| 12:39.23 | Flowy | I know its all there |
| 12:39.28 | Cide | that's the list for you |
| 12:39.29 | Flowy | but its about 30 files |
| 12:39.34 | Cide | sucks to be you |
| 12:39.43 | Flowy | and I am looking for A LIST of that |
| 12:39.49 | Cide | that's the list |
| 12:39.55 | Cide | have you heard of grep? |
| 12:39.59 | Cide | man grep motherfucker |
| 12:40.43 | Lulia | Damn, Tuller isn't around :P |
| 12:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cide darlin', what's the average bail running in your area, for common assault and battery? I just want to start saving up. |
| 12:41.11 | Cide | verbal is not physical |
| 12:41.24 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: he 'claims' to be calm when he sais stuff like this |
| 12:41.28 | Thunder_Child | says* |
| 12:41.29 | Cide | I am :) |
| 12:41.31 | Lulia | OmiCC calculates the rune CDs perfectly, including the time before the rune starts to come off CD |
| 12:41.32 | Cide | you should meet me irl |
| 12:41.54 | Thunder_Child | Cide: agreed |
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| 12:43.23 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I could. :P Then I'd give you the pennies I'm collecting for springing you someday. |
| 12:43.31 | Cide | you wouldn't have to |
| 12:45.18 | Wobin | You could wrap them in a sock |
| 12:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh. |
| 12:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I like your brain. |
| 12:46.21 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 12:46.32 | Thunder_Child | if it's not a gold brick with some lemon, it doesnt count |
| 12:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oiskin zoda? |
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| 12:49.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | this entire looking for a job is annoying me ... 7 interviews and I gotta remember who is where |
| 12:51.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Oh hi Cide ... I see you had an interlude with Flowy again? |
| 12:51.26 | Flowy | Cide is a idiot |
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| 12:51.29 | Flowy | yes he has |
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| 12:54.25 | Kraps | SILVERFISH HANDCATCH |
| 12:55.03 | Lopeppeppy | BROCCOLI |
| 12:55.15 | MoonWitch|Mobile | QUAILL |
| 12:55.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | what are we doing? |
| 12:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Random word association at the top of our voices? Dunno. |
| 12:56.49 | MoonWitch|Mobile | ok |
| 12:57.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I like Cralor's avatar on the forums |
| 12:57.20 | Kraps | SILVERFISH HANDCATCH is an "old spice guy" phrase |
| 12:58.07 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFDqvKtPgZo |
| 12:58.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | is reading the religion topic on the forums, perhaps I shouldhave read it prior to posting in it |
| 12:59.59 | Kraps | http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/10/1-billion-subscriptions-and-counting.html |
| 13:06.20 | Cide | I'm an idiot? :D |
| 13:06.36 | Cide | cute. |
| 13:06.38 | Cide | brb |
| 13:07.00 | Flowy | ~pil |
| 13:07.01 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 13:08.23 | Flowy | where to find anything about SetScrollChild method? |
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| 13:09.46 | Flowy | alestane do you know where to find anything about SetScrollChild method? |
| 13:09.55 | Cide | www.wowprogramming.com as usual |
| 13:10.01 | Cide | and back |
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| 13:10.27 | alestane | My only experience with ScrollFrames involves a single fixed scroll child. |
| 13:10.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | gah ... one other pagan jumps in on the topic -- and smacks every single christian in the mouth :( And then we all get hate :( |
| 13:10.45 | alestane | Which I set using XML in my case. |
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| 13:11.01 | alestane | Pwhawhothehuh, MoonWitch? |
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| 13:12.54 | alestane | Hating Christians back is one of the most useless expenditures of energy I've ever seen associated with any pagan practice. |
| 13:13.25 | alestane | The phrase "pissing into the wind" comes to mind. |
| 13:13.53 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollFrame, Flowy. |
| 13:14.06 | alestane | I did write the block of text at the top for jnwhiteh. |
| 13:14.38 | Deveyus | I was wondering if anyone knew of a good way to tell when a frame was opened? (Looking to know when someone opens their inbox...?) |
| 13:15.00 | taroven | Deveyus: frame:IsShown() maybe |
| 13:15.28 | alestane | Or frame:HookScript('OnShow', someFunc) |
| 13:15.40 | taroven | You could always take a loot at the relevant events as well and do stuff accordingly. |
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| 13:16.05 | Deveyus | Hate to ask such low-end questions, new to working with WoW. |
| 13:16.31 | Deveyus | Thank you, I'll look into those though. |
| 13:16.34 | taroven | No worries. When in doubt, try events first. |
| 13:16.55 | Deveyus | I looked onwowprogramming under events for mailbut couldn't find one that was the inbox opening. |
| 13:17.27 | MoonWitch|Mobile | alestane: it's always been beyond me -- does your belief make you happy, good :) Then it's the right one for you. |
| 13:17.28 | taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.52 | mitch0 | like darnassus, har har |
| 13:17.57 | Deveyus | Eventtrace? I've done a lot of reading, and hadn't seen that before... |
| 13:18.22 | alestane | That and, you're not going to defuse ill-will by being snippy back. |
| 13:18.25 | taroven | Added sometime around 3.2 or 3.3. Handy stuff. |
| 13:18.44 | taroven | wanders off for moar packing |
| 13:19.27 | Deveyus | Wow! That is just crazy useful! Thanks so much :D (There IS an event for it!) |
| 13:20.23 | Kraps | "Brotherhood will be out next month on Xbox 360 and PS3, *with a PC release planned early next year*." crap |
| 13:20.54 | zenzio | just like AC2 itself |
| 13:21.27 | Kraps | i know |
| 13:21.31 | Kraps | still crap |
| 13:22.19 | zenzio | for AC, I don't really care... AC1 felt consoley in the controls, so I just got AC2 on the Xbox was was happy with it |
| 13:23.20 | alestane | It's one of the reasons everyone I know cordially loathes Silver Ravenwolf, MoonWitch. |
| 13:24.05 | Computerpunk | self:RegisterEvent("MAIL_INBOX_UPDATE") |
| 13:24.09 | Computerpunk | this one is the event for opening. |
| 13:24.31 | Computerpunk | or self:RegisterEvent("MAIL_SHOW") |
| 13:27.00 | Kraps | "Don't bet on it any time soon, but Battle.net project director Greg Canessa tells Gamasutra you can never say never on the subject of seeing Activision games pop up on Blizzard's service." |
| 13:27.02 | Deveyus | Thank your Computerpunk, I'd already gone and added it, but I do appreciate the help. |
| 13:28.22 | alestane | I think the other possibility in that article is more likely, Kraps, that Activision will recruit Blizzard's help in setting up a separately branded online service, or spinoff of battle.net. |
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| 13:29.55 | alestane | curls up in Lopeppeppy's lap and purrs. |
| 13:33.34 | Ackis | anyone here on a windowz box w/ flash that can help me out real quick? |
| 13:33.42 | Deveyus | Maybe? |
| 13:33.46 | Deveyus | Whatcha need? |
| 13:34.11 | Ackis | I need to upgrade my flash player (no admin here)... I need the NPSWF32.DLL and flashplayer.xpt files |
| 13:35.13 | Deveyus | Don't know how to help you directly. |
| 13:35.21 | Deveyus | Not securely at least. |
| 13:35.36 | Ackis | some in this channel would say I'm beyond help |
| 13:35.38 | nevcairiel | I use chrome, it comes with its own flash =/ |
| 13:35.44 | nevcairiel | well, that you are |
| 13:35.48 | Ackis | :P |
| 13:36.10 | Deveyus | Yeah, I use Chrome as well. |
| 13:36.17 | zenzio | I've been flashing my computer regularly, but it doesn't seem impressed |
| 13:36.26 | Deveyus | lol zen. |
| 13:37.47 | Deveyus | I have another question, I'm using (and am used to) Notepad++ for this, is there a better alternative? |
| 13:37.58 | nevcairiel | I'm happy with np++ |
| 13:38.06 | zenzio | are you having problems with Notepad++ since you're looking for alternatives? |
| 13:38.14 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: i have 13 of them, from what location do you want it? |
| 13:38.40 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: what's the latest/greatest version... location I put mine into is Firefox\plugins |
| 13:39.23 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: i dont put them anywhere, whey seem to go where they want to |
| 13:39.38 | Thunder_Child | i also have 64-bit i think |
| 13:39.46 | Deveyus | I just miss intellisense was wondering if there was anything that supported that for addon work... |
| 13:39.55 | Deveyus | I'm spoiled anymore. |
| 13:40.26 | Ackis | ahh I'm 32-bit here ::( |
| 13:40.58 | jnwhiteh | Deveyus: yes, sylvanaar has a very good version out. |
| 13:41.03 | jnwhiteh | I beliebve |
| 13:41.25 | jnwhiteh | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-06/msg00231.html |
| 13:41.34 | jnwhiteh | http://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home |
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| 13:46.33 | Computerpunk | Deveyus, wasn't here earlier. |
| 13:46.34 | Computerpunk | ;P |
| 13:46.38 | Computerpunk | So, that's why 2x late response. |
| 13:48.11 | Deveyus | Thank you for the help though. It's good to know people will answer my scrubly questions in here. |
| 13:50.49 | Kraps | except Cide |
| 13:50.58 | Kraps | hides |
| 13:51.28 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 13:52.23 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 13:52.27 | jnwhiteh | gonna buy a nexus two? |
| 13:52.57 | zenzio | they're making another Nexus? |
| 13:53.01 | jnwhiteh | rumours |
| 13:53.18 | Computerpunk | I'm usually like: *knock knock* ... after 2 hours: "sup?" |
| 13:53.21 | zenzio | I would be so thrilled if they named it Oculus One |
| 13:54.42 | Lulia | There's so much stuff in OmniCC that I know nothing about :( |
| 13:55.10 | Fisker | depends jnwhiteh |
| 13:55.26 | Fisker | if the specs are decent then i might |
| 13:55.30 | Fisker | and of course |
| 13:55.41 | Fisker | same "developer friendlyness" |
| 13:55.57 | nevcairiel | Haven't seen any jump in specs that would make it worth replacing my phone |
| 13:56.03 | nevcairiel | its all pretty much hanging there |
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| 13:56.58 | zenzio | I'd like to get one of the G2s |
| 13:57.10 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 13:57.11 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:57.24 | Deveyus | Ok, I've been looking at examples but I have what is likely a very very nub question: How do I specify the function to call on an event? |
| 13:58.04 | nevcairiel | xml or lua? |
| 13:58.16 | zenzio | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetScript |
| 13:58.27 | Deveyus | Well, I'd like to register for the events in the XML ideally... |
| 13:58.58 | nevcairiel | I assume you already have a frame thats supposed to receive the events. So just plug a OnEvent handler in there, and register for the events in the OnLoad |
| 13:59.08 | Computerpunk | well, i nthe XML frame. |
| 13:59.21 | Computerpunk | add a <EventName> funccall() </EventName> |
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| 13:59.28 | nevcairiel | thats just wrong |
| 13:59.30 | Computerpunk | iirc. |
| 13:59.35 | Computerpunk | Well, frame functions. |
| 13:59.36 | Lulia | Is it just me or was it such in the past that you could click on empty space and thus lose your current target and does it no longer do that? |
| 13:59.48 | Computerpunk | <OnEvent> luacode </OnEvent>? |
| 13:59.48 | Computerpunk | :d |
| 13:59.52 | nevcairiel | Lulia: they turne on sticky targeting by default, you can turn it off again |
| 13:59.57 | nevcairiel | turned* |
| 14:00.04 | Computerpunk | I'm used to other syntax. >_< |
| 14:00.16 | zenzio | so they did do that... I was wondering when I turned on sticky targetting |
| 14:00.29 | Deveyus | Hm... I guess I'm approaching this wrong. |
| 14:00.31 | Lulia | I dont even remember how I turned it on |
| 14:00.40 | nevcairiel | You didnt, patch 4.0.1 did |
| 14:00.41 | jnwhiteh | you didn't, they did. |
| 14:00.57 | Fisker | you didn't google did |
| 14:01.00 | Lulia | Oh there we go |
| 14:01.06 | Computerpunk | You didn't. Fisker's awesomeness did it. |
| 14:01.10 | Lulia | Easy enough to find |
| 14:01.29 | Computerpunk | g'bye |
| 14:01.36 | Computerpunk | I still think it's OnEvent tag. |
| 14:02.05 | Lulia | Hmm, is it considered bad form to have my addon detect if OmniCC is installed and add some of my frames to its blacklist automatically? |
| 14:02.25 | Lulia | I'd like to put in my own font timers on the cooldowns for my runes |
| 14:02.34 | Lulia | But if someone has Omnicc installed they'll conflict |
| 14:03.06 | nevcairiel | you can just put something like .noCooldownCount or so on the frames to disable OmniCC |
| 14:03.38 | Lulia | But won't that make it so I can't show the cooldown count? |
| 14:03.48 | Lulia | I want to see the cooldown count, I just dont want OmniCC to do it |
| 14:03.52 | nevcairiel | only OmniCC reads that flag |
| 14:03.57 | Lulia | Ah |
| 14:04.15 | Lulia | Is it boolean? |
| 14:04.32 | nevcairiel | yeah, put noCooldownCount = true on the cooldown model itself, and omnicc wont touch it |
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| 14:04.57 | Lulia | And then I have to figure out how OmniCC does what it does >.> |
| 14:05.42 | Deveyus | I'm a bit confused, do I need to check every event the game raises? I thought that registering for events was so that you only got notifications of things you wanted? |
| 14:05.46 | Lulia | There's so much in OmniCC that's related to the addon itself that I dont need to understand |
| 14:06.03 | Lulia | Yes, you can register a frame for one event, Dev |
| 14:06.26 | Lulia | You can also register it for multiple events and use the event argument to select a relevant event. |
| 14:06.43 | Lulia | That's entirely up to you. |
| 14:07.00 | zenzio | Deveyus: every event you register with RegisterEvent is passed to your OnEvent handler; nothing else |
| 14:07.01 | Deveyus | Does it look for a default function name to handle it then? it seems like RegisterEvent should take 2 arguements, one for the event, the other for the callback |
| 14:07.32 | Lulia | You do that in an OnEvent script |
| 14:07.44 | Lulia | Frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function) |
| 14:08.00 | zenzio | Deveyus: as was explained about, the messages either go to the code in your <OnEvent> tag, or the function you set with the code Lulia just explained |
| 14:08.09 | zenzio | about = above' |
| 14:08.52 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/Handling_events |
| 14:10.19 | Lulia | I killed Zenzio :( |
| 14:10.22 | Deveyus | Makes clear sense now. |
| 14:10.23 | Deveyus | Thank you. |
| 14:16.47 | Lulia | Does OmniCC just apply the font right to the Cooldown frame? |
| 14:17.59 | Lulia | Like is that possible? Since Cooldowns are a type of frame after all, I should be able to make them a parent to a fontstring, no? |
| 14:23.55 | Lulia | ????? |
| 14:33.35 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2264-Symbolism-101 |
| 14:36.39 | amro | msvcrun_me_harder="" |
| 14:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | Do I have to? |
| 14:37.39 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr1PfB5ght8 |
| 14:37.41 | Deveyus | Sigh, evidently I am just made of fail.There's got to be a mistake here, but I can't find it. |
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| 14:38.05 | Sixen | Anyone know why purl doesn't want to join my channel? :( |
| 14:39.29 | Lopeppeppy | Do you have permission to invite her? |
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| 14:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | She's a fussy girl, she doesn't take just any old invitation. |
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| 14:42.35 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 14:42.35 | foxlit | You know what would be awesome? The actual number of downloads/installations curse is basing the rewards on. |
| 14:43.04 | foxlit | Can't figure out whether the spikes in point generation are because there's a spike in the install base, a drop in other addons' install bases, or an increase in the number of curse premium subscribers. |
| 14:45.05 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Fisker-du |
| 14:45.34 | nicoli_s | Sixen:you probably need to talk to kaelten or ckknight to get purl setup |
| 14:45.44 | nicoli_s | but both are on vacation, lazy bastards |
| 14:47.03 | Ackis | nicoli_s: Kaelten is only a semi-lazy bastard |
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| 14:47.10 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:47.23 | Lulia | If I make a frame equal to nil it goes bye-bye, yes? |
| 14:47.29 | Sixen | nicoli_s: says the guy who is always on vacation... :) |
| 14:47.32 | amro | Lulia: no |
| 14:47.38 | Lulia | oh... |
| 14:47.43 | amro | you can't destroy frames, you should recycle thim |
| 14:47.45 | amro | them* |
| 14:47.50 | Lulia | How do I do that? |
| 14:48.06 | Sixen | Ask the garbage-man very nicely, of course! |
| 14:48.11 | amro | just store a reference to it somewhere, and the next time you need to make a new frame, check if you have anything in your recycle table |
| 14:48.26 | Sixen | That works as well. |
| 14:48.33 | Lulia | I dont have a recycle table >.> |
| 14:48.38 | amro | make one |
| 14:48.45 | amro | it's just a table |
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| 14:50.28 | Lulia | And I just put the frames in the table to be recycled? |
| 14:51.10 | Lulia | Should it be separate from my Addon table or can it be a nested table? |
| 14:51.56 | Kraps | Item Subtotal: $39.99 |
| 14:51.58 | Kraps | Tax: $3.55 |
| 14:52.02 | Kraps | wtf |
| 14:52.36 | Lulia | So, can I set a font string to a cooldown frame? |
| 14:52.43 | Lulia | Or does it have to be a frame frame? |
| 14:53.09 | nicoli_s | Sixen:i am not always on vacation |
| 14:53.18 | nicoli_s | i just take a 3 day weekend every other week or so |
| 14:53.26 | nicoli_s | put them paid time off hours to work |
| 14:53.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | kids -- so easy ... download movie - hook laptop to tv, have them watch said movie while i can happily work |
| 14:55.01 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/142222 << thoughts? |
| 14:55.32 | foxlit | [Reported error message, my code snippet -- I can't think of a way the two match up] |
| 14:56.59 | Deveyus | Yay! Thanks all, my frame now works, and I now understand how events get handled here much better! |
| 14:57.30 | Lulia | What the hell does that mammoth line do, foxlit? |
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| 14:57.35 | Sixen | nicoli_s: 'twas a joke =\ |
| 14:57.40 | Lulia | Awesome, Deveyus |
| 14:57.54 | foxlit | Lulia: assigns values to a bunch of variables. |
| 14:58.01 | Lulia | That was apparent |
| 14:58.24 | foxlit | I'm not sure what else you would expect :( |
| 14:58.46 | Lulia | I meant: Why are you assigning spell stuff and item stuff in the same line? Is it like a catch-all line? If it's not a spell see if it's an item instead? |
| 14:59.09 | foxlit | " and item stuff" << what gives you that idea? |
| 14:59.19 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 14:59.33 | Lulia | I dont know |
| 14:59.35 | foxlit | There's a distinct lack of the word Item anywhere in that line :) |
| 14:59.40 | Lulia | shhh |
| 14:59.45 | Lulia | I thought I saw item in there |
| 14:59.54 | foxlit | The error message, yes. |
| 14:59.55 | Lulia | basic psychology, we see what we expect to see! |
| 15:00.00 | foxlit | Which is the mystery :) |
| 15:00.24 | Lulia | Is that function anywhere near that line? |
| 15:00.44 | foxlit | about 10 lines down. |
| 15:01.28 | Lulia | Maybe something is screwed up somewhere in those 10 lines that makes it think you're trying to use GetItemCooldown on that line? Dunno |
| 15:01.32 | Lulia | I is a newb :( |
| 15:02.06 | Kraps | why are game soundtracks so great? |
| 15:02.14 | Sixen | wut |
| 15:02.48 | Kraps | how do they get like that? |
| 15:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | Crack. |
| 15:04.22 | foxlit | also, curse needs a "known issue, will not fix" ticket status. |
| 15:04.55 | foxlit | [Since closed tickets are not shown by default, people keep reporting duplicates of an issue I cannot fix.] |
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| 15:09.11 | Deveyus | How would I set a frame to be positioned relativeTo another? |
| 15:10.05 | Maldivia | frame:setpoint(anchor, otherframe, anchor, x, y) |
| 15:10.11 | Lulia | foxlit |
| 15:10.19 | Lulia | Can I attach a fontstring to a cooldown frame? |
| 15:10.26 | Lulia | OR does it have to be a frame frame? |
| 15:10.52 | foxlit | You should be able to anchor a fontstring to practically anything |
| 15:11.12 | Deveyus | Is there a way to accomplish that in XML? |
| 15:11.23 | Lulia | So will the cooldown auto-hide the fontstring when it reaches 0? |
| 15:11.38 | Lulia | Is there a particular reason you like XML so much, Deve? |
| 15:11.40 | foxlit | There is no magic, it'll only hide anything if you tell it to hide anything |
| 15:11.50 | Lulia | Alright, that's fine |
| 15:11.59 | Maldivia | deveyus, think its called relativeTo="framenama" |
| 15:12.03 | foxlit | Deveyus: <Anchors><Anchor point="LEFT" relativeTo="$parentFrame" relativePoint="Right" /></Anchors> |
| 15:12.13 | Lulia | ewww, it's XML! |
| 15:12.14 | Lulia | :P |
| 15:12.29 | nevcairiel | rather xml then csv! |
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| 15:12.54 | Deveyus | Things that don't have a reason to be changing or that make up the visual elements of someething, I prefer to seperate that way. |
| 15:13.18 | Deveyus | Thank you foxlit. |
| 15:13.47 | Maldivia | deveyus, gui.lua file ;) |
| 15:14.16 | foxlit | Meh, Lua sucks. |
| 15:14.37 | foxlit | [quotable out-of-context for your pleasure] |
| 15:14.38 | Deveyus | XML is also easier to read, for me. |
| 15:14.49 | amro | xml is actually suitable for UIs |
| 15:15.16 | amro | it's only annoying when it's used for something that doesn't have a structure that lends itself to xmlization |
| 15:15.58 | Kraps | why does Casey Schreiner wear a suit all the time? |
| 15:16.30 | Maldivia | amro, well, lua makes it easier to dynamically create things on demand |
| 15:16.56 | amro | Maldivia: yeah, I personally use lua for frames. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where XML is eww |
| 15:17.18 | Maldivia | agree |
| 15:17.30 | Lulia | I've just pretty much eschewed XML stuff, since I can do it with lua. |
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| 15:18.28 | Lulia | has excellent word-usage. |
| 15:19.26 | Maldivia | one of the things that annoys me with the xml templates, is that most of them require a global name for thwm to work correctly |
| 15:20.34 | foxlit | And that is bad why? :) |
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| 15:21.09 | Kraps | why are my internets so slow? |
| 15:21.18 | Lulia | Is it kosher to add a value to a frame table? |
| 15:21.52 | Lulia | PowerBars.Rune1CD is my cooldown frame, could I give it a currCD value, so it would be: PowerBars.Rune1CD.currCD ? |
| 15:22.58 | amro | yes |
| 15:23.11 | amro | it uses wrapper tables for the frames specifically for that |
| 15:23.18 | amro | (you can't set fields on userdata) |
| 15:23.18 | Lulia | Sweet |
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| 15:23.50 | Lulia | OmniCC has so much stuff that isn't relevant to what I'm trying to figure out :-/ |
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| 15:24.20 | Lulia | function Timer:ForAll(f, ...), what's the ... do in that function? Just curious. |
| 15:24.44 | nevcairiel | variable argument list |
| 15:24.58 | nevcairiel | for when you don't know how many arguments your function will receive |
| 15:25.27 | Lulia | But if they dont have names... |
| 15:25.28 | boshi_dev | is there a function to get a spell school's color ? |
| 15:25.49 | nevcairiel | Lulia: you'll see in the function, there is calls to select, with select you can query the contents of ... |
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| 15:26.03 | nevcairiel | select('#', ...) gives you the number of arguments |
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| 15:26.18 | nevcairiel | and select([number], ...) lets you access them numerically |
| 15:26.19 | Cide | which lua.org/pil would tell you |
| 15:26.36 | Lulia | There's no select in this particular function :P |
| 15:26.46 | nevcairiel | actually, the online pil was written before the times of pil, methinks |
| 15:26.48 | Deveyus | could always assign v1,v2,v3,v4,v5 = ... and then check those for 'nil'... and then work from there. |
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| 15:26.55 | Cide | nevcairiel: nice recursion |
| 15:27.01 | schnoggo | Looking at adding some other "currencies" to the SimpleGold tracker. Anyone know the API calls for Justice Points and such? Just lazy and want to avoid digging :) |
| 15:27.02 | Cide | but you may be right |
| 15:27.03 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 15:27.07 | nevcairiel | before select |
| 15:27.09 | amro | Cide, take me to dreamhack |
| 15:27.09 | Cide | the lua reference should tell you however |
| 15:27.10 | nevcairiel | you know what i meant |
| 15:27.20 | Cide | amro: I'm not going myself :P |
| 15:27.24 | nevcairiel | Lulia: then it just forwards the ... to some other function =) |
| 15:27.28 | amro | poo, why not? bad timing? |
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| 15:27.29 | nevcairiel | or ignores it |
| 15:27.36 | Cide | no reason to go |
| 15:27.49 | amro | oh yeah, I forgot you suck and stand no chance of winning anything |
| 15:27.52 | Lulia | Meh, it's beyond me at the moment and I shouldn't need to know it. |
| 15:28.01 | Lulia | Who knew a font timer could be so complicated :( |
| 15:28.03 | nevcairiel | From what i've seen from dreamhack, qualitywise it sucks anyway, its just frigging big |
| 15:28.16 | Cide | quality size I'm sure it's awesome |
| 15:28.17 | amro | I just want to punch Skatan Milla in the face |
| 15:28.20 | Cide | like everything else swedish |
| 15:28.22 | amro | I'm sure he's going to be there |
| 15:32.31 | Maldivia | sxhnoggo, look at the currency frame code :) |
| 15:33.59 | Maldivia | ~framexml |
| 15:33.59 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 15:37.02 | kneeki | Morning everyone! |
| 15:37.19 | Lulia | Morning! |
| 15:37.29 | Lulia | gets the crowd to cheer for kneeki! |
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| 15:38.55 | foxlit | "Gewöhnlich versandfertig in 4 bis 6 Wochen." |
| 15:39.28 | foxlit | amazon mildly fails |
| 15:39.40 | nevcairiel | Why is that? |
| 15:40.03 | foxlit | estimated availability in 6 weeks for a book that should've been out a month ago |
| 15:40.09 | Fisker | k |
| 15:40.14 | nevcairiel | Maybe thats not their fault |
| 15:40.16 | Fisker | why so german? |
| 15:40.26 | foxlit | Because UK doesn't even want to give a date |
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| 15:40.51 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i need to cancel my amazon cata order |
| 15:40.59 | foxlit | mm? |
| 15:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | They can't ship ya something they don't have yet. |
| 15:41.21 | foxlit | nevcairiel: thing is, copies exist elsewhere. I fully expect them to restock from other retailers, which is perhaps a mistake. |
| 15:41.27 | Fisker | why would you do that nevcairiel ? |
| 15:42.04 | nevcairiel | must be a famous book |
| 15:42.19 | Fisker | it's probably about kenneth plummer |
| 15:42.30 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 15:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Supply food chains are weird. I used to work in a Barnes and Noble. The Walmart could have a hot new title, but we wouldn't have it, because they have different distributors. *shrug* |
| 15:43.13 | Maldivia | although I doubt many non-danes get that joke :) |
| 15:43.35 | nevcairiel | i dont even know the name |
| 15:44.58 | Maldivia | he's just been fired because of an biography released |
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| 15:45.44 | Maldivia | but guess it's good publicity for the book |
| 15:46.09 | foxlit | -- shattering |
| 15:46.41 | nicoli_s | people buy books at walmart? |
| 15:47.09 | schnoggo | Maldivia: heh - by the time you posted to chat, I was already deep into it. :) Also informative stuff in PVPFrame |
| 15:47.12 | foxlit | borders is closing in UK? :/ |
| 15:47.27 | schnoggo | People in Walmart can read? |
| 15:49.14 | Kraps | i just "got" the shattering |
| 15:49.29 | Kraps | looks around shiftily |
| 15:51.45 | Lulia | lol |
| 15:51.46 | Lulia | Rune1Frame:SetHeight(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Height*0.33333333); |
| 15:51.56 | Lulia | Is what I need to have my runes be the same height as they are wide |
| 15:52.02 | Lulia | Exactly that number of 3s |
| 15:53.44 | foxlit | It also amuses me that uk/de/fr amazon stores have different estimated availability times. |
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| 15:54.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, lunessa |
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| 16:01.11 | Cide | Lulia: or you could round it to an integer |
| 16:01.25 | Lulia | Huh? |
| 16:01.26 | Cide | or divide by 3 instead of multiplying by 0.333... |
| 16:01.44 | Lulia | shhhh |
| 16:01.54 | Lulia | I'm bad at math anyways |
| 16:01.57 | Lulia | let me feel smart |
| 16:01.58 | Cide | I doubt you need the height to be floating point |
| 16:02.04 | Cide | so you could just round it to an integer |
| 16:02.13 | Cide | with probably two threes instead of 10 |
| 16:02.21 | Cide | but dividing by 3 is better anyway |
| 16:02.30 | Ackis | what cide says |
| 16:02.32 | Lulia | But my method works! |
| 16:02.40 | Ackis | but it really depends on your audience |
| 16:02.42 | Lulia | There's nothing wrong with my method |
| 16:02.46 | Lulia | :( |
| 16:02.51 | Cide | so does approximating pi by making large circles in the sand |
| 16:02.57 | Cide | doesn't make it less fucking stupid |
| 16:03.04 | Lulia | :( |
| 16:04.52 | Lulia | I thought it clever |
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| 16:08.27 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27508580855/deathy-acting-funky/ |
| 16:08.35 | Kraps | neth is win |
| 16:10.26 | Lunessa | Kraps: She's cute too. |
| 16:10.37 | Kraps | pics? |
| 16:10.39 | Fisker | milf? |
| 16:11.12 | Lulia | :P |
| 16:11.15 | Lunessa | She's in some of the Curse party pics (barely) from BC2010, but I didn't get any of her 'cause I forgot my phone. |
| 16:11.33 | Fisker | why do you stalk her? |
| 16:11.37 | Lulia | Curse party pics? |
| 16:13.56 | Lulia | What frame strata is a cooldown frame usually on? |
| 16:14.17 | Shirik | is cute too |
| 16:14.57 | Lulia | I don't find Neth particularly attractive :( |
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| 16:16.22 | Kraps | http://www.tgdaily.com/picturegalleries/20060721/15.jpg |
| 16:17.17 | Lulia | She's definitely not unattractive |
| 16:17.36 | krka | so's your face! |
| 16:17.41 | krka | no wait, that didnt work right |
| 16:18.07 | Lulia | :P |
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| 16:18.17 | Lulia | I'm not an unattractive dude! |
| 16:19.35 | Ackis | I need people to like this: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=447648435657&set=o.121736011171682 and http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=451140706685&set=o.121736011171682 please |
| 16:19.57 | Lulia | why? |
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| 16:20.18 | nevcairiel | Ackis: its facebook, thats the opposite of like |
| 16:20.24 | Ackis | contest Lulia |
| 16:20.33 | Lulia | What do you win? |
| 16:20.39 | Kraps | wat http://store.steampowered.com/app/90200/ |
| 16:21.39 | zenzelezz | Kraps: what about it? They've made Bus Driver, Truck Driver, Forklift Driver, and god knows which else |
| 16:21.41 | Fisker | lets fuck up Kraps |
| 16:22.09 | Ackis | Lulia: a $350 gift basket from the edmonton humaine society |
| 16:22.35 | Lulia | I suppose I can like it then ;) |
| 16:22.50 | Ackis | thanks :) |
| 16:23.08 | Lulia | if it would give me a Like button... |
| 16:23.42 | Kraps | zenzelezz: even simulator looks more interesting |
| 16:23.53 | Kraps | ship simulator* |
| 16:24.04 | Ackis | Lulia: you might have to be a fan of EHS =/ |
| 16:24.04 | Lulia | How the hell.... there was a like link before I logged in |
| 16:24.09 | Lulia | I log in and it disappered |
| 16:24.17 | Lulia | disappeared* |
| 16:24.43 | Lulia | I guess so, Ackis |
| 16:24.43 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 16:24.56 | nicoli_s | lol dressed up kitties |
| 16:25.09 | schnoggo | um.. wait... Deathy is out? I didn't get an email yet... |
| 16:25.20 | Ackis | :D |
| 16:25.22 | kneeki | Not for the online people |
| 16:25.28 | kneeki | Just if you went to blizzcon I think |
| 16:25.28 | Lulia | I didn't get him either yet, 6-8 weeks they said, Schnoggo |
| 16:25.35 | schnoggo | whew. :) |
| 16:30.16 | schnoggo | 25 deathlings on eBay... |
| 16:31.16 | Lulia | lol |
| 16:31.33 | Lulia | I got an extra by accident |
| 16:31.38 | Lulia | Because RayTV is freaking slow |
| 16:31.45 | Ackis | how did you get an extra? |
| 16:31.47 | Lulia | It took them like 5 hours to process my order |
| 16:31.54 | Ackis | ah you bought two? |
| 16:31.55 | alestane | Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21889.html |
| 16:31.58 | Lulia | So I accidentally placed a second one, thinking the first didn't go through |
| 16:31.59 | Lulia | yeah |
| 16:32.19 | Lulia | The stream was shitty anyways, even after purchasing it again. Not doing that anymore :( |
| 16:32.24 | Lulia | Wish I could actually -go- |
| 16:32.31 | schnoggo | Lulia: not Deathy. The Deathling miniature. |
| 16:32.36 | Lulia | ah |
| 16:32.42 | Lunessa | alestane: That's about where I was at with sleep dep + booze on Sunday night |
| 16:33.01 | alestane | I heard that the last hurrah was pretty damn drawn out. |
| 16:33.21 | alestane | I was asleep at home by that point. |
| 16:33.54 | schnoggo | My stream worked great. Had to run the Flash version on my linux-based TV, but it worked fine and the party was a blast. (Too many burritos though...) |
| 16:34.02 | Lulia | So, I just realized that all of these rune frames could have gone in a table called Rune |
| 16:34.06 | Lunessa | Let's say this: If it weren't for sleeping on the plane, I'd have needed an entire extra day in California to recover enough energy to drive home from the airport. |
| 16:34.37 | Lulia | But I'm loathe to rewrite it all now |
| 16:34.38 | Lulia | :( |
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| 16:35.20 | alestane | Cairenn was apparently about that hard up for sleep by the time she got home, although apparently the flight was not what you would call friendly. |
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| 16:36.41 | alestane | On another note â I foresee a problem with this approach: http://notalwaysright.com/lt-ripley-vs-the-wasp-queen/8007 |
| 16:38.17 | mikma | haste: http://open.spotify.com/track/0H1hiRvguys8Ja1QtaubZs |
| 16:39.23 | Lulia | I dont think I can like your pic, Ackis :( |
| 16:39.34 | Flowy | how to start a "tictactoe" minigame? |
| 16:39.53 | Ackis | Lulia :( thanks for trying though =/ |
| 16:40.12 | Lulia | I went to the humane society page and didnt see a way to become a fan |
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| 16:41.40 | Lulia | Hmm, now to figure out how to set a proper duration for my timer. |
| 16:42.05 | Flowy | Lulia still on runes? |
| 16:42.21 | Lulia | I noticed OmniCC does it correctly. For instance, if I have a rune on CD already it bumps the CD up on the next rune by the appropriate amount |
| 16:42.28 | Lulia | So it can't simply be grabbing duration |
| 16:42.33 | Lulia | Of course, Flowy |
| 16:42.40 | Lulia | Earlier I was just conceptualizing |
| 16:42.46 | Lulia | Now I'm actually on the CD part |
| 16:42.51 | Lulia | I have the runes in place |
| 16:42.56 | Lulia | And I'm working on the timer |
| 16:43.27 | Flowy | why you do not use a getrunecooldown ? |
| 16:43.55 | Flowy | I check cooldown widget right now |
| 16:44.08 | Flowy | and it needs just information that are in this function |
| 16:44.16 | Lulia | Because, the duration from that function isn't always correct |
| 16:44.33 | Flowy | what is bad on it? |
| 16:44.46 | Lulia | If I have 1 rune on CD already, then the next rune's CD is actually longer because it's waiting for the first rune to come off CD |
| 16:45.12 | Flowy | its a DK stuff? |
| 16:45.13 | Lulia | So if Rune 1 goes on CD and 2 seconds later Rune 2 goes on CD then Rune 2's CD is actually 18 seconds |
| 16:45.17 | Lulia | But the function will still return 10 |
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| 16:45.43 | Lulia | Because the duration of the Rune's CD is still 10 seconds, it's just that it is effectively 18 seconds due to the wait. |
| 16:45.45 | Flowy | can you show the code how you got the 18? |
| 16:45.51 | Lulia | Apparently OmniCC knows how to handle this |
| 16:45.58 | Lulia | But I'm having difficulty finding out how |
| 16:46.04 | Lulia | It's simply math, Flowy |
| 16:46.11 | Lulia | A Rune's CD is 10 seconds |
| 16:46.30 | Lulia | And a Rune won't start coming off of CD until the previous Rune finishes its CD |
| 16:47.09 | Lulia | Thus if Rune 1 has 8 seconds left on its CD |
| 16:47.17 | Lulia | The effective CD of Rune 2 is 18 seconds |
| 16:47.21 | Lulia | But the function will still return 10 |
| 16:47.42 | Flowy | no its not |
| 16:47.45 | Lulia | Because that's the value of its CD, it will take 10 seconds once it begins to count down, but it won't begin to count down for 8 seconds. |
| 16:47.48 | Lulia | Yes, it is. |
| 16:47.54 | Lulia | Trust me, I play a DK |
| 16:48.01 | Lulia | You can even watch OmniCC on Runes |
| 16:48.11 | Lulia | It does it correctly and shows those exact values |
| 16:48.39 | Flowy | second rune is usable after 10secs from when it is used ... like the first |
| 16:49.01 | Lulia | No, it's not |
| 16:49.11 | Lulia | You have to wait until the first rune finishes its CD first |
| 16:49.18 | Lulia | Then it begins its 10 second cd |
| 16:49.28 | Lulia | I just did it right now |
| 16:49.37 | Lulia | I took my DK and used heart strike twice |
| 16:49.39 | Flowy | its a DK mechanic? |
| 16:49.51 | Lulia | Yes |
| 16:49.57 | Lulia | It's a specific change to how Runes work |
| 16:49.58 | Flowy | dont know that |
| 16:50.12 | Lulia | Right, that's fine, but please don't tell me that it doesn't work that way when I know it does. :P |
| 16:50.15 | alestane | See how the default UI does it, Lulia. |
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| 16:50.31 | Lulia | OmniCC does it correctly, I wish I could figure out how OmniCC does it. |
| 16:50.39 | Lulia | I'm not sure the default UI uses number timers |
| 16:50.49 | Lulia | So I don't know if they do it. |
| 16:50.55 | Flowy | if getcd(2) then return getcd(1) + getcd(2) end |
| 16:51.16 | Flowy | what is hard? |
| 16:51.20 | Lulia | Flowy, I would have to check all 6 runes and find out which one is currently counting down |
| 16:51.34 | Flowy | the first rune is 1 3 and 5 |
| 16:51.39 | Kraps | "I suspect what you're really saying is "don't nerf me, bro," in which case you should just come out and say that (after you get back from your ban, I mean)." |
| 16:51.41 | Lulia | And then grab its remaining cooldown and add it to the second one. And that effect gets multiplicative the more runes that are on CD |
| 16:51.48 | Kraps | GC rules |
| 16:51.57 | alestane | Gonna say, Kraps, that sounds like Greg. |
| 16:52.07 | Lulia | Link? |
| 16:52.34 | Flowy | Lulia it shares cooldown on all 6 runes? |
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| 16:54.33 | alestane | Whether a rune display is showing as spiral wipes or numbers, Lulia, it's probably getting its numbers from the same place. |
| 16:54.59 | Lulia | Well |
| 16:55.12 | Lulia | The default UIs spiral "swipes" don't begin ticking until the CD starts |
| 16:55.28 | alestane | !api |
| 16:55.31 | Lulia | So if you have two runes on CD, the second one won't begin "ticking" until the first one finishes |
| 16:55.37 | alestane | !api Cooldown |
| 16:55.37 | lua_bot | Found 24 possible matches for 'Cooldown'. Please be more specific |
| 16:55.43 | alestane | !api RuneCooldown |
| 16:55.43 | lua_bot | GetRuneCooldown: Returns cooldown information about one of the player's rune resources (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRuneCooldown) |
| 16:55.58 | alestane | My guess is that the timing is actually built into that function. |
| 16:56.23 | Lulia | It isn't |
| 16:56.30 | Lulia | It returns 10 no matter what |
| 16:56.49 | Flowy | lulia it starts to countdown after some time? |
| 16:56.50 | Lulia | Because the CD is always 10 seconds, but it doesn't always begin when it goes on cd |
| 16:57.11 | Lulia | It starts when the other rune (of the same type, I forgot that part) finishes its CD |
| 16:57.21 | Lulia | If you have 1 unholy rune go on CD, it's 10 seconds |
| 16:57.27 | Flowy | then get when is first cd started + duration and it will be the start time of second rune? |
| 16:57.31 | Lulia | If the second unholy rune goes on CD when the first one is on CD |
| 16:57.37 | alestane | So you want it to actually display the total cooldown until both runes are available. |
| 16:57.38 | Lulia | It won't begin ticking until the first one finishes |
| 16:57.40 | Lulia | Correct |
| 16:57.53 | alestane | Then you're going to have to roll that yourself in likelyhood. |
| 16:57.56 | Lulia | OmniCC does this without using GetRuneCooldown |
| 16:57.59 | Lulia | Which is interesting |
| 16:58.14 | Lulia | There's nothing in OmniCC's lua which suggests that it does this |
| 16:58.16 | Lulia | And yet it does |
| 16:58.21 | alestane | Are they just adding numbers to the existing rune display? |
| 16:58.49 | Lulia | OmniCC just adds number timers, yes |
| 16:58.54 | Lulia | ~OmniCC |
| 16:58.57 | Lulia | dang |
| 16:58.59 | Flowy | Lulia omni cc hooks the talents and items ... it knows the cooldown of everything (imo) |
| 16:59.11 | Lulia | ~ OmniCC |
| 16:59.13 | Lulia | aww |
| 16:59.23 | Lulia | Right |
| 16:59.27 | Lulia | But if it did the rolling |
| 16:59.32 | Lulia | I should see evidence of that somewhere |
| 16:59.36 | Lulia | And I don't |
| 16:59.48 | Flowy | "rolling" ? |
| 17:00.08 | Lulia | Adding the other Rune's CD into the current rune's CD for an effective total CD |
| 17:00.42 | Flowy | it uses combatlog to get when spell is used |
| 17:00.48 | alestane | Personally, I think the time until both your unholy runes are up is rarely as important as the time until your next Unholy rune is up. |
| 17:01.09 | Lulia | That depends on what you're preparing for, Alestane |
| 17:01.17 | Lulia | Sometimes you want to know when both will be up |
| 17:01.45 | nevcairiel | isnt that what the new rune systems trys to avoid |
| 17:01.47 | alestane | Since that means you're going to have to sit on the one that comes up and not use it until the other one pops too. |
| 17:01.48 | Flowy | Lulia ... and that with "shared" cooldown is nerf in cata or it was even on wlk? |
| 17:02.05 | alestane | Came out with 4.0 |
| 17:02.12 | Lulia | nevcairiel, it's about meta thinking. Some DKs might wait to use certain abilities depending on that info. |
| 17:02.24 | Flowy | :/ no patch notes on wowpedia |
| 17:02.24 | Lulia | It came out in 4.0 |
| 17:02.34 | Lulia | It works that way right now |
| 17:03.05 | Lulia | Rolling them shouldn't be terribly difficult I guess. |
| 17:03.25 | Lulia | Rune1CD.currCD = Rune2CD.currCD + 10 |
| 17:03.29 | Kraps | abbie heppe should go back to brown hair |
| 17:03.34 | Lulia | If Rune2 isn't on CD it will equal 0 |
| 17:03.38 | Lulia | And thus not add anything to it |
| 17:03.45 | Lulia | I just wish I knew how OmniCC worked it. |
| 17:03.58 | Kraps | maybe |
| 17:04.16 | Lulia | Alright, so, now that I know that. I need to figure out how to get the Timers to update every second |
| 17:04.18 | Lulia | ;) |
| 17:04.30 | alestane | I mean, really shouldn't be that hard to determine that if you have a rune whose number mod 2 is two, and it's on a 10 second cooldown, then add the remaining cooldown of the rune with that number minus 1 to it. |
| 17:04.39 | Flowy | Lulia Rune1CD.currCD = Rune2CD.currCD + 10 --> Rune2CD.currCD = Rune1CD.currCD + 10 |
| 17:04.51 | Lulia | Right, Flowy, I just said that |
| 17:05.02 | Lulia | I'm past that now :P |
| 17:05.31 | Flowy | "past"? |
| 17:05.47 | Lulia | I'm working on trying to figure out how to get the timers to update every second |
| 17:06.00 | Lulia | I've already figured out how to deal with the additional delay on CDs |
| 17:06.20 | Flowy | try it in OnUpdate event? |
| 17:06.33 | Lulia | I'll have to look it up, never used it before |
| 17:06.38 | Lulia | But it seems to be what OmniCC uses |
| 17:06.46 | Flowy | its same as OnEvent |
| 17:06.58 | Flowy | but with many more firing :D |
| 17:06.59 | Lulia | I'll look it up :) |
| 17:07.04 | alestane | frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', function (self, elapsed) --[[stuff]] end) |
| 17:07.19 | Lulia | thank you guys |
| 17:07.23 | Kraps | she also used to be chubbier |
| 17:07.31 | Lulia | who? |
| 17:07.41 | alestane | As long as frame is visible, that function will be called every frame with the number of seconds since the last frame as the elapsed argument. |
| 17:07.49 | Flowy | do anyone saw a TicTacToe frame in game? |
| 17:08.16 | Lunessa | LOL - "I suspect what you're really saying is "don't nerf me, bro," in which case you should just come out and say that (after you get back from your ban, I mean). " ~Ghostcrawler |
| 17:08.28 | Lulia | No one will link that thread |
| 17:08.29 | Lulia | wth |
| 17:09.20 | Flowy | Lunessa it was on me? |
| 17:09.26 | Flowy | *for |
| 17:10.19 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/dawnofwar |
| 17:12.02 | Flowy | how to comment in xml? |
| 17:12.09 | zenzelezz | <!-- --> |
| 17:12.14 | zenzelezz | wait |
| 17:12.18 | zenzelezz | does XML have comments? |
| 17:12.28 | zenzelezz | I think I used those |
| 17:12.29 | Flowy | yes it works |
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| 17:15.13 | Lunessa | Flowy: No, I was reading the blue responses on a tanking thread. |
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| 17:15.46 | Flowy | 185138 Kraps : "I suspect what you're really saying is "don't nerf me, bro," in which case you should just come out and say that (after you get back from your ban, I mean)." |
| 17:15.49 | Flowy | he too |
| 17:15.57 | Lulia | Alestane, should I be creating an onupdate frame for each of the 6 runes when they go on CD? O.o |
| 17:16.31 | Flowy | every frame have onupdate event |
| 17:16.46 | alestane | You'll need either six fairly simple ones, three slightly more advanced ones, or one complex one. |
| 17:17.54 | Kraps | Flowy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27397548532&sid=1 |
| 17:19.15 | Lulia | Trying to work out how I'd do the complex one in my head. |
| 17:19.33 | Lunessa | Lulia: Start simple . |
| 17:19.34 | Lulia | I can just check all of the Rune CDs in the big one, if they're greater than 0 |
| 17:19.37 | Lulia | I tick them down a second |
| 17:19.41 | Lulia | And refresh the display |
| 17:19.58 | Lulia | If they hit 0, I hide them |
| 17:21.19 | Lulia | can I define a function inside a function? |
| 17:21.26 | Lulia | wait... |
| 17:21.28 | Lulia | of course I can |
| 17:21.33 | alestane | Yes, although it may not work the way you expect. |
| 17:21.41 | Lulia | huh? |
| 17:21.49 | alestane | What are you hoping to accomplish by doing so? |
| 17:22.20 | Lulia | I have a function which initializes the DK Frames. There's no need to create the timer onupdate frame unless it's a DK using runes |
| 17:22.37 | Lulia | So I'm going to create that frame and its function inside the function which initializes DK frames |
| 17:23.02 | alestane | That's fair, as long as you don't define the function unless you're also creating the frame. |
| 17:23.18 | amro | so I heard you like functions... |
| 17:23.21 | Lulia | ?? |
| 17:23.27 | alestane | Otherwise you're creating garbage functions. But if it's only supposed to be called once, then go ahead. |
| 17:23.52 | Lulia | if not PowerBars.RuneTimer then |
| 17:23.52 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.52 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.52 | Lulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.02 | alestane | That's fine. |
| 17:24.18 | Flowy | why is end there? |
| 17:24.29 | Lulia | Because there's an if statement? |
| 17:24.52 | Flowy | ah saw just 3 lines |
| 17:25.02 | Seerah | Lulia: why not scrap your whole addon and code if the character is not a DK? |
| 17:25.07 | alestane | Just be aware that a function definition in lua is actually an executable statement called a function constructor that packes the function code up with a copy of any relevant locals and an environment, so it takes up some memory each time you run it. |
| 17:25.19 | Lulia | Because the AddOn does multiple classes, Seerah |
| 17:25.34 | Lulia | Right now it does Holy Power for Paladins, Eclipse for Balance Druids and Soul Shards for Warlocks |
| 17:25.38 | Lulia | I'm adding Runes for DKs |
| 17:26.13 | Lulia | Well I have to create a function either way, don't I, Alestane? |
| 17:26.15 | Flowy | Lulia why you dont use a onupdate from each rune? |
| 17:26.22 | Lulia | The function is what runs the timer. |
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| 17:26.38 | alestane | What you're talking about doing is fine, Lulia. |
| 17:26.46 | Lulia | Because it seems like it would be more efficient to do it in one function, Flowy |
| 17:27.11 | Lulia | Otherwise I've got 6 functions going on |
| 17:27.13 | alestane | Just, there are some subtleties to creating functions inside functions in Lua and it's important to know how they work. |
| 17:27.44 | Lulia | Everything except my event frames are inside functions |
| 17:27.50 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:28.11 | Lulia | But I need to know if the player is a DK in order to do this, so I can't create it outside of a function. |
| 17:28.20 | Jamash_ | your face is a function |
| 17:28.23 | Lulia | Because I need to wait until I can get UnitClass("Player") info |
| 17:28.31 | Lulia | Love you too, man |
| 17:28.32 | Arrowmaster | no you dont |
| 17:28.53 | Legorol | "I can't create it outside of a function" <= I might be missing something specific to your case here, but everything in Lua is inside a function |
| 17:29.14 | Lulia | The function is going to use info which won't be had until after a certain point |
| 17:29.18 | Lulia | namely the Rune frames |
| 17:29.20 | Seerah | UnitClass() is available at start |
| 17:29.29 | Lunessa | "Reroll a tank yourself. See the abuse that you take from the general populace. Hate groups more and more. Have voodoo dolls scattered all over your room for sweet vengeance." - Galvineas on Beta Forums. I love this stuff. |
| 17:29.31 | Lulia | That's not the only info I need though :-/ |
| 17:29.47 | Jamash_ | I implement my addon as a set of methods on a central data structure where I store everything |
| 17:29.54 | Seerah | we're just trying to help you write good code ;) |
| 17:30.10 | Lulia | I'm aware. And there may be a better way to do what I'm doing that's beyond my current skill. |
| 17:30.28 | Lulia | Right now the most efficient way for me to do this is to put it in the function that intializes stuff for DKs |
| 17:30.29 | alestane | "Also, I look nice in a dress (Ghostcrawler threatened me physically not to remove this last line). " |
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| 17:30.40 | Legorol | lunessa: which forum is that on? |
| 17:30.42 | Legorol | general? |
| 17:30.48 | Lunessa | General, in beta. |
| 17:30.55 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387874930&sid=2000 |
| 17:31.10 | Flowy | has anyone saw a tictactoe frame? |
| 17:31.27 | Jamash | so I have a bunch of methods, AddOn:Foo() and AddOn:Bar() and a bunch of properties AddOn.qux and AddOn.quux, which can all be accessed as self:Foo() or self.qux inside another method |
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| 17:31.57 | Lunessa | Grounding Totem folks - I made a Horde guild for all of our upcoming Goblins and Horde Alt - Tremor Totem! |
| 17:33.02 | Legorol | thanks Lunessa |
| 17:33.17 | Seerah | :) |
| 17:33.34 | Lulia | That sounds great, Jamash. I just don't see what's bad about my method given my current understanding. Things could change as I learn more, I'm sure. |
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| 17:34.08 | alestane | "I said that dragons don't breath for 100% of tank health. If they breathe for 60% of tank health and your tank dies, then you made a fatal error in your healing strategy. If the dragon breathes for 60% of tank health while simultaneously clawing the tank for 60% of tank health, then we made an unhealable encounter and deserve to be ridiculed for it." |
| 17:34.15 | alestane | On Kirin Tor, Lunessa? |
| 17:34.24 | Seerah | Lulia: why don't you post your code, then? :) |
| 17:34.30 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes. 'cause I'm there already. |
| 17:35.00 | Lulia | Seerah: Because I don't expect anyone cares enough to go through 1000 lines of script to tell me how it could be better. Though if someone wants to, I'd be all ears :P |
| 17:35.01 | Jamash | what do you mean "horde alt" |
| 17:35.17 | Seerah | ~lart Jamash |
| 17:35.17 | purl | whacks Jamash upside the head |
| 17:35.45 | Lulia | ~lart Lulia |
| 17:35.45 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Lulia feel it |
| 17:35.51 | Lunessa | Jamash: My main is an Alliance Shaman, and Grounding Totem is an Alliance guild. But I <3 goblins and so do many of the grounding totem members. |
| 17:35.52 | Lulia | ow |
| 17:36.06 | Seerah | Lulia: you never know until you try :p Besides, it's hard to help when we don't know what you're doing ;) |
| 17:36.49 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2731/ |
| 17:36.59 | Ackis | Lunessa: cock goblins! |
| 17:37.07 | Lulia | It's my intention to make a frame and function inside of SetRuneFrames() |
| 17:37.11 | Lunessa | Ackis: Magic Nose Goblins! |
| 17:37.20 | Jamash | ~loktar |
| 17:37.20 | purl | i guess loktar is Lok'tar ogar! For the Horde! |
| 17:37.22 | Lulia | To handle rune CD timers |
| 17:37.39 | Ackis | I'm in a foul mood today and it's only getting worse people |
| 17:37.45 | Ackis | I need to stop |
| 17:37.49 | Lulia | Aww, Ackis |
| 17:37.52 | Lulia | What's wrong? |
| 17:37.58 | Kraps | noooooo Lunessa |
| 17:37.59 | syrae | Ackis: STOP! In the name of love! before you break my heart |
| 17:38.06 | Ackis | I'm stressing out over video games |
| 17:38.08 | Ackis | (seriously) |
| 17:38.10 | Lulia | ~lart Ackis |
| 17:38.10 | purl | hereby declares Ackis a troll |
| 17:38.15 | Lulia | >.> |
| 17:38.17 | Kraps | lolackis |
| 17:38.19 | Jamash | vijear gaems |
| 17:38.20 | Lulia | Not what I intended it to do |
| 17:38.45 | Jamash | games are theriouth buthineth dahling |
| 17:38.46 | Lulia | I was sort of hoping it would do the "whack upside the head" in a silly gesture |
| 17:38.55 | Ackis | Fable 3 is out, I want to play that, but I got Gears of War 2 which has a 30xp bonus this weekend and I need to get a group of 10 to do that, but I also want to play the new star wars, and then there's the wow event going on plus I need to do junkboxes |
| 17:39.08 | Lulia | wow event? |
| 17:39.09 | Ackis | on top of that there's infinite undiscovery I was playing |
| 17:39.12 | Jamash | You should be playing TF2 also |
| 17:39.12 | Ackis | halloween |
| 17:39.15 | Lulia | Ah |
| 17:39.33 | Jamash | there are exclusive halloween only achievements and items in TF2 |
| 17:39.42 | Ackis | i never got into TF2 |
| 17:39.50 | Jamash | now's the perfect time to start! |
| 17:40.19 | Lulia | Roll a 20-sided die, Ackis |
| 17:40.26 | Lulia | If you roll a 1, you have to do nothing though |
| 17:40.40 | Lulia | If you roll a 20 you get to some how, impossibly, do everything |
| 17:40.47 | Lulia | But you have to roll it 3 times in a row |
| 17:40.48 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: you play GoW2? |
| 17:40.56 | Ackis | I don't own a D20 :P |
| 17:40.57 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 17:41.00 | Jamash | you what |
| 17:41.00 | Lulia | So... |
| 17:41.02 | Arrowmaster | not anymore |
| 17:41.05 | Jamash | go out and buy one |
| 17:41.08 | Ackis | yeah I know I lost nerd points |
| 17:41.10 | Kraps | yay new mousepad |
| 17:41.16 | Lulia | elapsed for OnUpdate is the time between when it was last called and the present time? |
| 17:41.22 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: ahh 30x xp bonus this weekend means level 1-100 is about 5ish hours |
| 17:41.35 | Kraps | now i need to lower the sensitivity settings :/ |
| 17:41.41 | Arrowmaster | i already got 1-100 during a 6x weekend |
| 17:41.47 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:41.52 | Ackis | want to do it again? |
| 17:42.00 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 17:42.00 | alestane | The time between the last frame and the present time, Lulia, was is the same thing unless your frame was just shown. |
| 17:42.08 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:42.12 | Ackis | I've never played a gears game |
| 17:42.14 | alestane | which* is |
| 17:42.35 | Ackis | you get fable 3 yet Arrowmaster? |
| 17:42.42 | Lulia | I'm not sure how I can check if a second has passed with that |
| 17:42.45 | Jamash | specifically, get this: http://www.toysonfire.ca/dice-and-accessories-giant-d20-red-p-7039.html |
| 17:42.48 | Lulia | What if it refreshes at .5 seconds? |
| 17:42.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:43.35 | Jamash | use GetTime() for that |
| 17:43.54 | alestane | You keep a an upvalue across the function calls, Lulia. Subtrat the elapsed value from it. |
| 17:43.58 | alestane | subract* |
| 17:44.19 | alestane | If it falls below 0, do your "once a second" thing and add 1 to your variable again. |
| 17:44.26 | alestane | Otherwise, wait for next time. |
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| 17:45.31 | Lulia | Ah |
| 17:46.00 | alestane | for instance, countdown = 1; frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self, elapsed) countdown = countdown - elapsed; if countdown <= 0 then --[[stuff]]; countdown = countdown + 1 end end) |
| 17:46.17 | Jamash | you left out local countdown |
| 17:46.31 | amro | global upvalues are the best |
| 17:46.32 | alestane | Yes, there should be a local on that declaration. |
| 17:46.41 | amro | funky stuff happens |
| 17:46.46 | Lulia | But if it's local to the function how can it remember it? |
| 17:46.51 | amro | it's an upvalue |
| 17:46.53 | Lulia | Shouldn't it be cleared on the end? |
| 17:46.54 | amro | it saves it explicitly |
| 17:46.54 | alestane | The magic of upvalues. |
| 17:47.01 | Lulia | Erm |
| 17:47.07 | Lulia | How do I make sure it's an upvalue? |
| 17:47.07 | Cide | it's not local to the function |
| 17:47.19 | alestane | The function constructor attaches a reference to the local to the function as it creates it. |
| 17:47.21 | Cide | it's local to the scope outside the function |
| 17:47.24 | amro | if you reference it from the function, it willl be saved as an upvalue |
| 17:47.37 | Cide | you're way over Lulia's head :P |
| 17:47.44 | Lulia | Yeah.... |
| 17:47.45 | Cide | you don't define it as local inside the function |
| 17:47.49 | Cide | you define it as local above the function |
| 17:47.51 | Lulia | Oh, okay |
| 17:48.04 | alestane | localuntdown = 1; frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self, elapsed) countdown = countdown - elapsed; if countdown <= 0 then --[[stuff]]; countdown = countdown + 1 end end) |
| 17:48.08 | amro | look up the definition of closure |
| 17:48.08 | alestane | um |
| 17:48.11 | amro | the functional programming kind |
| 17:48.14 | Jamash | el oh el |
| 17:48.16 | alestane | local countdown = 1; frame:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self, elapsed) countdown = countdown - elapsed; if countdown <= 0 then --[[stuff]]; countdown = countdown + 1 end end) |
| 17:48.24 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:48.26 | Kraps | what are you making Lulia? |
| 17:48.27 | Lulia | That's interesting |
| 17:48.52 | Lulia | A numerical timer for my Rune bar portion of my addon |
| 17:48.57 | Lulia | Sort of like OmniCC does |
| 17:49.02 | Seerah | alestane: why are you doing countdown = countdown + 1 instead of just countdown = 1? |
| 17:49.05 | Lulia | Except I don't want to expect that the user has OmniCC |
| 17:49.07 | Kraps | whats your addon? |
| 17:49.11 | Cide | because it doesn't subtract to zero, Seerah |
| 17:49.19 | Cide | if you set it to 1, you will lose the overflow |
| 17:49.21 | alestane | Saves any fractional portion of a second, Seerah. |
| 17:49.28 | Cide | and make a timer that is less consistent |
| 17:49.28 | Seerah | shrugs |
| 17:49.42 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utaWZT5N-tQ |
| 17:49.48 | Seerah | if we are talking .00001 of a second... |
| 17:49.51 | alestane | It's probably a small thing in most cases, but it makes me feel better. |
| 17:49.58 | nevcairiel | If you use it to drive a time display, it could create some real drift |
| 17:49.59 | Seerah | or even .001 |
| 17:50.14 | nevcairiel | depends on fps |
| 17:50.22 | Seerah | of course |
| 17:50.23 | nevcairiel | in low-fps situations, it could actually be pretty high |
| 17:50.30 | alestane | Also, I'm used to a system that runs WoW at 12-18 frames a second, so the drift will accumulate much faster. |
| 17:50.39 | Lulia | The addon displays resource systems for various classes, Kraps |
| 17:50.58 | Lulia | Holy Power for Paladins, Soul Shards for Warlocks, Eclipse for Balance Druids, Runes for Death Knights. |
| 17:51.11 | Lulia | It will also show mana, rage, runic power, focus, etc... eventually |
| 17:51.34 | Seerah | Lulia: what we are discussing only matters if you are keeping track of the numbers yourself instead of getting them from the client somewhere |
| 17:51.55 | Jamash | screw youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Harbinger of Horror |
| 17:53.21 | Lulia | This function would be much smaller if I had put the Runes into a table array |
| 17:53.25 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 17:53.32 | Lulia | I'm now kicking myself for that stupidity |
| 17:53.45 | Jamash | so, put them in a table |
| 17:53.51 | Lulia | That's a lot of rewriting |
| 17:54.02 | Jamash | no time like the present |
| 17:54.05 | Lulia | More writing than simply dealing with it at this point |
| 17:54.09 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 17:54.27 | Jamash | nuh uh uh |
| 17:54.32 | Lunessa | Always time to fix code that doesn't have a crucial deadline |
| 17:54.52 | Lulia | sighs and begins to rewrite. |
| 17:54.58 | Jamash | think about it this way: the longer you put it off, the more code you'll have to fix |
| 17:55.13 | Lulia | I know, I know |
| 17:55.14 | alestane | Continuing to write to accommodate known poor code is suitable only for commercial situations. |
| 17:55.16 | Lulia | :( |
| 17:55.21 | Lunessa | Now, if you cba to do it, that's another matter. Lazy now, work twice as hard later is a concept familiar to lots of people. |
| 17:55.34 | Lulia | cba? |
| 17:55.39 | alestane | "sant' be arsed" |
| 17:55.42 | alestane | can't* |
| 17:55.45 | Lunessa | ^ |
| 17:55.50 | Lulia | I like being efficient |
| 17:56.06 | alestane | Efficiency is learning to do it right the first time. |
| 17:56.13 | Lulia | But I was also hoping to see tangible results for the past couple hour's efforts soon. |
| 17:56.27 | alestane | That I also under4stand. |
| 17:56.34 | Lunessa | You have a very good result. You have gotten a very practical education. |
| 17:56.40 | Lulia | Well |
| 17:56.48 | alestane | I frequently get discouraged if something requires too much prep and not enough payoff. |
| 17:56.51 | Lulia | I already knew I could do it |
| 17:56.59 | Lulia | I just sort of rolled with it after the initial mistake |
| 17:57.03 | Lunessa | alestane: This explains my dating life? |
| 17:57.37 | alestane | Lunessa, that usually results on too narrow a definition of payoff. |
| 17:57.37 | Kraps | amro: ahahahaha |
| 17:57.46 | Lunessa | alestane: "Toss off" joke was ... |
| 17:59.25 | Ackis | a mother has pleaded guilty to murdering her baby, who wouldn't stop crying as she played Farmville. :( |
| 17:59.38 | syrae | >_< |
| 17:59.45 | Ackis | I can see killing your baby when you're in a raid... but farmville? |
| 17:59.50 | syrae | >_< |
| 17:59.52 | Cide | I would kill people over farmville also |
| 17:59.54 | Ackis | http://consumerist.com/2010/10/mom-kills-baby-for-interrupting-farmville-session.html |
| 17:59.55 | Lunessa | Ackis: Die |
| 17:59.58 | Cide | that game is so fucking worthless |
| 18:00.11 | alestane | There will always be useless people. |
| 18:00.18 | alestane | AFK for a while to take a practice test. |
| 18:00.44 | Jamash | Ackis: thus improving the gene pool |
| 18:00.49 | Lunessa | I can't even get angry at my parakeets for screeching every time I raid. |
| 18:00.50 | syrae | Well, I can see that she was addicted to a game as an escape mechanism and that the stresses of her life made her need to escape and a constant, grating reminder of real life was driving her made |
| 18:01.36 | Jamash | you should need a permit to breed |
| 18:02.03 | Ackis | agreed Jamash |
| 18:02.22 | Jamash | not from the government, mind, the government can't be trusted with such things |
| 18:02.29 | Jamash | a permit from me |
| 18:02.57 | Kraps | except that the approval process would take so long that the population would nosedive |
| 18:03.23 | kd3 | well, great. it already is in the western world |
| 18:03.32 | kd3 | s/population/birth rate/ |
| 18:04.06 | Ackis | population needs to take a nose dive IMO |
| 18:04.09 | Dagmar | If you want the population to nose-dive, sell candied hand-grenades, and put a sticker on them that says "With 9 essential vitamins" |
| 18:04.42 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2732/ |
| 18:04.46 | Flowy | why it dont shows? |
| 18:04.58 | Lulia | What's the term for an operator that returns a remainder? |
| 18:05.04 | Lulia | operand? |
| 18:05.15 | Ackis | %? |
| 18:05.18 | Ackis | modulus? |
| 18:05.32 | Ackis | I think that's how it's spelled at least |
| 18:05.37 | Lulia | modulus, yes |
| 18:05.41 | Lulia | lua supports that, yes? |
| 18:05.47 | nevcairiel | lua> 5%3 |
| 18:05.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2 |
| 18:05.50 | Ackis | lua> 6 % 1 |
| 18:05.50 | lua_bot | Ackis: 0 |
| 18:05.54 | Ackis | derp |
| 18:06.01 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:06.01 | nevcairiel | good example, Mr. Ackis |
| 18:06.17 | Lulia | lua> 4%2 |
| 18:06.17 | lua_bot | Lulia: 0 |
| 18:06.22 | Lulia | lua> 3%2 |
| 18:06.22 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1 |
| 18:06.26 | Lulia | Perfect |
| 18:06.30 | Ackis | yeah nevcairiel that's what I was derping about lol |
| 18:06.57 | TC-Work | http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=107375312610006 |
| 18:07.41 | Lulia | And Flowy, I dont know enough about XML and WoW to know why your frame isnot showing |
| 18:07.45 | Lulia | isn't* |
| 18:07.55 | Kraps | http://consumerist.com/2009/04/baby-shaker-iphone-app-keeps-getting-pulled-from-app-store-we-cant-imagine-why.html |
| 18:08.07 | Kraps | fuck people |
| 18:09.01 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 18:09.15 | Seerah | Flowy: you haven't told it what to look like. It's showing - it's just invisible |
| 18:09.30 | Flowy | look like? |
| 18:09.34 | Flowy | it have texture |
| 18:09.44 | Seerah | It has a texture object, yes. |
| 18:09.51 | Seerah | but no graphical, visual texture |
| 18:09.53 | Dagmar | It's like the WonderTWins man |
| 18:09.54 | Flowy | and set hidden=false |
| 18:10.14 | Lulia | The texture does have color though, Seerah |
| 18:10.25 | Lulia | Shouldn't it show up as a white block? |
| 18:10.26 | Seerah | ah, so it does. I never use XML |
| 18:10.40 | Flowy | no I dont see it |
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| 18:10.48 | Flowy | trying to set a position |
| 18:10.53 | Lulia | Where's the alpha setting for it, Flowy? |
| 18:11.13 | Flowy | must have alpha? there is not default 1 ? |
| 18:11.15 | Lulia | Don't you need an alpha setting with that color? |
| 18:11.21 | Lulia | I dont know XML well enough |
| 18:11.28 | Seerah | default is 1 with XML, too, I think |
| 18:11.39 | Lulia | Then that's probably not it, dunno Flowy, sorry |
| 18:11.59 | Flowy | then what is bad :/ |
| 18:12.11 | Seerah | oh - Flowy, where is your frame supposed to be located? |
| 18:12.31 | Jamash | I think that app is a valuable learning tool |
| 18:12.41 | Jamash | if the virtual baby dies, you know you shouldn't have children |
| 18:13.14 | nicoli_s | i think its hilarious |
| 18:13.30 | Lulia | Yeah, I see anchors for the texture, Flowy |
| 18:13.34 | Lulia | But not the frame |
| 18:13.41 | nicoli_s | as someone who loves to push people beyond their humor comfort zone its perfect |
| 18:13.45 | Flowy | I will try to position it |
| 18:13.46 | nicoli_s | its like dead baby jokes |
| 18:14.00 | Lulia | good eye, Seerah |
| 18:14.09 | Mihau | See, the problem with that game is that there is no other way to make the baby stop crying, like feeding it. Your only option is... to shake the baby. |
| 18:14.12 | Jamash | don't do it, Lulia |
| 18:14.19 | Jamash | you have too much to live for! |
| 18:14.21 | Lulia | uh, what? |
| 18:14.31 | Jamash | oh I thought you said "good bye" |
| 18:14.59 | Lulia | lol |
| 18:15.09 | Jamash | <emily litella> neeever miiiind </emily litella> |
| 18:15.19 | Ackis | xkcd is amusing today |
| 18:15.21 | Kraps | drugs are bad Jamash |
| 18:15.28 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
| 18:15.39 | Jamash | nowaibro |
| 18:15.43 | nicoli_s | and i read it as good bye at first too |
| 18:15.48 | cbreak | anyone played around with FireSheep? |
| 18:15.56 | nicoli_s | i thought maybe my dead baby references scared someone away :P |
| 18:15.58 | Kraps | drugs are bad nicoli_s |
| 18:15.59 | Jamash | I'd probably be dead without mind-altering drugs (no joke) |
| 18:16.06 | Lulia | Question... |
| 18:16.16 | Lulia | local Runes = PowerBars.Runes is a pointer, yes? |
| 18:16.49 | Cide | the proper name is a reference |
| 18:17.04 | Cide | but more or less, yes |
| 18:17.06 | Lulia | If I make a Runes.Texture = Runes:CreateTexture(stuff) that's equivalent to saying PowerBars.Runes.Texture ? |
| 18:17.17 | Cide | yes |
| 18:17.30 | Cide | you never copy objects without explicitly doing so |
| 18:17.40 | Lulia | Interesting |
| 18:17.48 | Lulia | I like it ;) |
| 18:17.50 | Cide | and that requires recursion and quite intricate schemes |
| 18:17.56 | Lunessa | Kraps: http://failblog.org/2010/10/29/epic-fail-photos-brand-fail-2/ |
| 18:18.11 | Cide | holy craps! |
| 18:18.31 | Kraps | OMG THATS MY SECRIT SNACK |
| 18:19.00 | Seerah | awesome :) |
| 18:19.42 | syrae | hah |
| 18:19.54 | syrae | Kraps: new avatar? :P |
| 18:19.59 | Flowy | texture cant be in highlight strata :( |
| 18:20.29 | nevcairiel | textures dont have stratas, textures have draw layers |
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| 18:21.05 | syrae | man... I want to tame the new Cata spirit beast soooo much |
| 18:21.09 | Flowy | ok it cant be highlight ... |
| 18:21.21 | syrae | Spirit crab named Ghostcrawler? YES PLEASE |
| 18:21.21 | nevcairiel | there is no highlight draw layer |
| 18:23.24 | Lulia | Hmm, if I'm feeling lazy.. |
| 18:23.56 | syrae | if? |
| 18:24.10 | Lulia | can I do: local Runes = PowerBars.Runes; for i=1,6 do Runes[i] = {}; local Runes = Runes[i]; end ? |
| 18:24.18 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/e76631a8-cec9-4894-832a-d3ad46cf55da.jpg |
| 18:24.30 | Lulia | I mean, the second Runes is local only to the for loop, correct? |
| 18:24.46 | Lulia | And is thus different from Runes[i] |
| 18:24.49 | Jamash | I think you mean local Rune = Runes[i] otherwise it won't work |
| 18:25.12 | Flowy | Lulia if you define runes as local to for then it is usable only in for loops |
| 18:25.17 | Lulia | Isn't that what I did, Jamash? |
| 18:25.32 | Lulia | Oh |
| 18:25.34 | Lulia | I see what you did |
| 18:25.39 | Lulia | Hmm, I guess that makes sense |
| 18:25.54 | Jamash | unless you really mean to create a data structure that looks like { Runes = { Runes = { Runes = { Runes = { Runes = { Runes = {}}}}}} |
| 18:26.04 | Jamash | or whatever |
| 18:26.11 | Jamash | actually it'd be different |
| 18:26.16 | Jamash | but you get my drift |
| 18:26.16 | Lulia | No, I just dont want to type Runes[i] all the time |
| 18:26.17 | Lulia | :P |
| 18:26.27 | Jamash | yeah as long as you use a different name it's fine |
| 18:26.58 | Flowy | Lulia if you do t={} it creates new table |
| 18:27.05 | Lulia | I know :) |
| 18:27.07 | Flowy | and tables are "undestructible" |
| 18:27.31 | Jamash | not so |
| 18:27.34 | Flowy | if you do it in on update you create many tables |
| 18:27.41 | Jamash | they will get garbage collected eventually |
| 18:27.50 | Cide | this is funny |
| 18:27.59 | Cide | but I'm glad you're trying to spread the knowledge Flowy |
| 18:27.59 | Jamash | the blind leading the blind? |
| 18:27.59 | Flowy | yes but what you want to do with that many tables? |
| 18:28.07 | Cide | Jamash: well put |
| 18:28.12 | Flowy | still hate you ... |
| 18:28.17 | Cide | you should |
| 18:28.20 | Cide | I'm your worst nightmare |
| 18:28.26 | Flowy | no you are not |
| 18:28.42 | Cide | oh you don't know me |
| 18:28.43 | Lulia | No fighting :( |
| 18:29.04 | Seerah | frames are what are indestructible |
| 18:29.04 | Flowy | and you dont have "lines" to do it |
| 18:29.10 | schnoggo | I buy on CD because it reasonable quality and DRM-free |
| 18:29.43 | Cide | okay schnoggo |
| 18:29.49 | Cide | and what Seerah said |
| 18:29.52 | Flowy | Seerah and what is with tables in garbage? |
| 18:30.00 | Jamash | yes, there is no way to destroy a frame |
| 18:30.02 | schnoggo | doh - wrong chat window :) |
| 18:30.14 | Seerah | schnoggo: I use Amazon mp3 ;) |
| 18:30.21 | Seerah | Flowy: what do you mean? |
| 18:30.35 | Cide | frames are never garbage collected because the wow system keeps references to them internally |
| 18:30.41 | Lulia | As long as all AddOns are loaded I can see their "global" variables, yes? |
| 18:30.42 | Flowy | if I do t={}; t={} |
| 18:30.45 | Flowy | what is with first table? |
| 18:30.59 | Lulia | I could do if OmniCC then stuff end to see if OmniCC is installed? |
| 18:31.02 | Seerah | what do you mean "with"? |
| 18:31.04 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJDx3H_hvI8&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 18:31.14 | Cide | it's eventually garbage collected, as you would know if you actually read the page I've linked you at least 30 times. |
| 18:31.32 | Flowy | Cide you mean wowpedia? |
| 18:31.36 | Seerah | if there is no reference to the table as it exists in memory, it will go on the heap to be collected |
| 18:31.39 | Cide | have I linked you wowpedia 30 times? |
| 18:31.48 | Cide | I have not linked you wowpedia even once and probably never will |
| 18:32.21 | Flowy | Seerah and what is with the table when it is "collected"? |
| 18:32.26 | Lulia | I'm going to assume the answer to my question is "yes" :P |
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| 18:32.45 | Flowy | Lulia globals are globals |
| 18:32.51 | Seerah | Flowy: t={} creates a table in memory, which has a unique identifier. t points to this identifier. doing t={} again creates a second table in memory with a different unique identifier. t now points to this table |
| 18:32.55 | Cide | this is hilarious |
| 18:33.05 | Flowy | there is table _G and there is saved everything that is global |
| 18:33.31 | Cide | Lulia: yes, but make sure you don't do it in the main block because your addon may load before omnicc |
| 18:33.40 | Cide | if you want to do it in the main block you need an optional dependency |
| 18:33.42 | Flowy | Seerah yes but what is with the first table ... that is collected |
| 18:33.47 | Lulia | Right, this function should be called after the addons are all loaded :) |
| 18:33.51 | Lulia | Thanks Cide and Flowy |
| 18:33.55 | Cide | don't thank flowy |
| 18:33.57 | Cide | he's useless |
| 18:34.05 | Jamash | Flowy: Tables that have no references are garbage collected and cease to exist. |
| 18:34.05 | Lulia | :-/ |
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| 18:34.12 | Flowy | sir yes sir |
| 18:34.34 | Seerah | (didn't I just say that? :P) |
| 18:35.09 | Lunessa | huggles Seerah and high-fives Cide |
| 18:35.20 | Seerah | !api IsAddOnLoaded |
| 18:35.21 | lua_bot | IsAddOnLoaded: Returns whether an addon is currently loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded) |
| 18:35.24 | Seerah | Lulia: ^^ |
| 18:35.25 | Jamash | Seerah: yeah more or less |
| 18:35.39 | Jamash | but Flowy didn't know what "collected" means |
| 18:35.44 | Lulia | Thanks, Seerah |
| 18:35.52 | Flowy | Jamash then if I do for i=1,10000^1000000 t={} end then there is still just one table and every other is "removed" from memory? |
| 18:35.57 | cbreak | Jamash: he also seems to not know the true nature of the globals table |
| 18:36.07 | Cide | yes, but not before you run out of memory |
| 18:36.29 | Flowy | how can I run out of memory when there is still just one table? |
| 18:36.31 | Seerah | well, I didn't know what he meant by "what is with"... To me, that means "what is up with this" or "what is this's problem" or "what is the deal with this", etc. |
| 18:36.41 | Cide | there isn't just one table |
| 18:36.48 | Cide | read programming in lua will you? |
| 18:36.51 | Seerah | Flowy: o.O |
| 18:36.52 | Cide | or google garbage collection |
| 18:37.04 | Lulia | if IsAddOnLoaded(OmniCC) then Cooldown.noCooldownCount = true; end |
| 18:37.06 | Lulia | :) |
| 18:37.09 | Jamash | Flowy: what will happen is you will create a new table every time the loop iterates, each of which will have to be garbage collected eventually |
| 18:37.10 | Seerah | there would be 10000^1000000 tables... As I just told you above |
| 18:37.19 | Cide | Lulia: that should be a string |
| 18:37.27 | Seerah | Lulia: semi-colons are unnecessary in Lua |
| 18:37.29 | Lulia | Oh, oops |
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| 18:37.35 | Jamash | when there are too many garbage tables, the garbage collector will be run, which takes time, and slows down the UI |
| 18:37.41 | Cide | Seerah: nope... not always ;) |
| 18:37.41 | Seerah | they don't hurt any, but.... |
| 18:37.42 | Flowy | Seerah yes but then it will be destroyed from memory or not? |
| 18:37.46 | cbreak | Lulia: you could just check if what you want to use is there |
| 18:37.46 | Lulia | I do the semi-colons just because it's habit |
| 18:37.53 | Lulia | I do realize they aren't necessary :) |
| 18:37.58 | Cide | they are in some cases -_- |
| 18:38.02 | Lulia | Hopefully people won't hate me for using them. |
| 18:38.07 | Jamash | also, while you're running your nigh-infinite loop you will be disconnected from the server |
| 18:38.09 | Seerah | Cide: only if you're stringing stuff together with no whitespace :p |
| 18:38.22 | Cide | I don't think whitespace matters |
| 18:38.29 | alestane | The stock UI uses them throughout to look familiar to the C++ programmers who have to do most of the maintenance. |
| 18:38.30 | Jamash | also, 10000^1000000 is too large to represent as a floating-point number |
| 18:38.45 | Jamash | lua>print(10000^1000000) |
| 18:38.45 | lua_bot | Jamash: inf |
| 18:38.48 | Cide | which says a lot |
| 18:38.52 | cbreak | nah |
| 18:38.58 | Lulia | Hmm, that's true too cbreak |
| 18:39.09 | cbreak | doubles are only from -1024 to 1024 in the exponent afaik |
| 18:39.22 | Cide | you don't consider 10^1024 a lot? :P |
| 18:39.29 | cbreak | it's not 10 |
| 18:39.30 | Flowy | lua> return 2^1024 |
| 18:39.30 | lua_bot | Flowy: inf |
| 18:39.33 | Cide | err, 2 |
| 18:39.46 | Flowy | lua> return 2^1023 |
| 18:39.46 | lua_bot | Flowy: 8.9884656743116e+307 |
| 18:39.48 | Cide | 2^3 ~= 10 so 10^1021 |
| 18:39.52 | Flowy | cool |
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| 18:40.29 | Cide | oh |
| 18:40.30 | Cide | fail me |
| 18:40.33 | Cide | that would be 1024/3 |
| 18:40.34 | Cide | oh well |
| 18:42.07 | zenzelezz | if a double is not big enough for you, ask for a long double... or resort to SSE or whatever |
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| 18:42.43 | Cide | or a string |
| 18:42.48 | Cide | of 1's and 0's |
| 18:43.05 | cbreak | you'd have to recompile lua for that |
| 18:43.16 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2734/ |
| 18:43.17 | Cide | a table of strings |
| 18:43.19 | Cide | then |
| 18:43.20 | Flowy | why its invisible? |
| 18:43.22 | cbreak | Cide: or a string of ... numbers between 0 and 255... :) |
| 18:43.22 | Cide | of 1's and 0's |
| 18:43.33 | Cide | cbreak: yeah, I'm not trolling or anything :P |
| 18:43.59 | zenzelezz | Cide never trolls |
| 18:44.08 | cbreak | Flowy: it's not |
| 18:44.14 | cbreak | it has 1 alpha |
| 18:44.16 | Cide | I rarely troll actually |
| 18:44.19 | Flowy | ah |
| 18:44.19 | cbreak | so you should see it a tiny tiny bit |
| 18:45.00 | Flowy | cbreak alpha 0 is same |
| 18:45.08 | Cide | good idea |
| 18:45.10 | cbreak | yeah. 0 means transparent |
| 18:45.12 | Cide | make it even less visible |
| 18:45.13 | Jamash | wait, are colors from 0 to 255 or 0 to 1 |
| 18:45.19 | cbreak | 0 to 255... |
| 18:45.26 | cbreak | (in xml :) |
| 18:45.27 | Jamash | ok, so change the 1s to 255s |
| 18:45.28 | Cide | color numbers are an abstraction of reality |
| 18:45.42 | Jamash | abstracts Cide |
| 18:45.48 | Flowy | omg ... I saw it white 10 mins ago |
| 18:45.49 | cbreak | Cide: they are an apstraction of an imagination |
| 18:45.49 | Cide | colors cannot be given numbers except for their wavelengths |
| 18:45.53 | cbreak | which is much worse |
| 18:46.03 | Jamash | Cide: troll harder bro |
| 18:46.11 | Cide | technically I'm serious and right |
| 18:46.16 | cbreak | unfortunately, colors can't be expressed by wavelenths |
| 18:46.25 | cbreak | (unless they are pure chromatics) |
| 18:46.31 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:46.48 | Jamash | there's no such thing as color except in the brain |
| 18:47.06 | cbreak | processing already starts in the eyes |
| 18:47.15 | Flowy | cbreak it dont works even with 255 |
| 18:47.18 | Cide | not sure if that's true |
| 18:47.26 | Cide | but it might be I guess |
| 18:47.29 | Jamash | it is |
| 18:47.43 | cbreak | there have been a ton of experiments about color perception |
| 18:47.43 | Cide | depends on the definition |
| 18:47.56 | cbreak | and that's all colors are, really |
| 18:47.56 | Cide | but I tend to agree after some consideration |
| 18:47.58 | cbreak | perception. |
| 18:48.07 | Flowy | Jamash what? |
| 18:48.19 | Jamash | Flowy who? |
| 18:48.26 | Flowy | 204729 Jamash : it is |
| 18:48.31 | Lulia | Alright so.... |
| 18:48.39 | Lulia | This is how I initialized the Rune frames before: http://paste.wowace.com/2735/ |
| 18:48.41 | Jamash | Cide said something wasn't true, I said it is true |
| 18:48.41 | Flowy | what "it" |
| 18:48.48 | Lulia | And this is after: http://paste.wowace.com/2736/ |
| 18:48.49 | Jamash | also, your mom |
| 18:49.00 | Lulia | 205 lines reduced to 50 |
| 18:49.03 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 18:49.52 | Lulia | That's what... a 76% reduction in length? :D |
| 18:50.24 | Flowy | 76% reduction of your work |
| 18:50.25 | Jamash | I don't think you need a SetParent on a texture created from a frame |
| 18:50.32 | Lulia | Oh... |
| 18:50.47 | Lulia | But now I only have to take that out once, as opposed to 6 times! |
| 18:50.50 | Lulia | ;) |
| 18:50.52 | Jamash | yay |
| 18:51.12 | Maldivia | also CreateFrame(type, name, parent, template) |
| 18:51.26 | Maldivia | so you can get rid of the other SetParent calls |
| 18:51.41 | Lulia | I was told that parent in CreateFrame had issues sometimes? |
| 18:51.48 | Lulia | I can't remember who said that >.> |
| 18:51.56 | Flowy | and SetSize(width,height) works too |
| 18:52.01 | Maldivia | only if it doesn't exist |
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| 18:52.22 | Lulia | Wouldn't SetParent have problems if it didn't exist too? |
| 18:52.39 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:52.41 | router__ | @lua test |
| 18:52.48 | router__ | is there a lua bot around? |
| 18:52.53 | Jamash | it's lua> |
| 18:53.00 | nevcairiel | lua> print("Hello router__") |
| 18:53.02 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: Hello router__ |
| 18:53.16 | Lulia | Alright, well, I'll set the parent in CreateFrame, I imagine I won't have issues. Thank you guys |
| 18:53.17 | router__ | lua> return tostring{} |
| 18:53.17 | lua_bot | router__: table: 0x9a8d720 |
| 18:53.17 | zenzelezz | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/10/mmoend.jpg - nice graph |
| 18:54.33 | Lulia | No one caught this: Cooldown:SetAllPoints(Rune); |
| 18:54.34 | Lulia | ;) |
| 18:55.13 | Maldivia | Lulia: do you actually use the names of the frames/textures for anything? |
| 18:55.34 | Maldivia | if not, you can just specify nil, that avoids the creating of names and global variables for them |
| 18:55.39 | ZorbaTHut | funny, I think glyphs are actually *more* profitable to make after 4.0 |
| 18:55.58 | Jamash | I should sell glyphs >.> |
| 18:56.01 | Jamash | too lazy tho |
| 18:56.05 | nevcairiel | I dunno, my main got all glyphs that he ever needs, and will never buy another one |
| 18:56.07 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: well, in the beginning yeah |
| 18:56.10 | nevcairiel | i dont see how there is much money in there |
| 18:56.12 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: for a while at least... with people being all "I'll never use these but I MUST LEARN THEM!" |
| 18:56.14 | Lulia | I started adding them in when I was told that you needed them for the API to automatically make layout files for user-placed frames. However, that started to not work for me anyways so I stored the placement of the frames anyways. |
| 18:56.27 | Jamash | yeah layoutcache is garbage |
| 18:56.28 | Lulia | So I guess I don't technically use them, I just figured it was good habit to name them. |
| 18:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | nev, drastically reduced supply due to everyone saying what you're saying right now. still significant demand from people making alts and new characters, and less of a "omg must get the best price" instinct since it's a one-off purchase |
| 18:56.41 | Maldivia | it's a good habit not to name them :) |
| 18:56.43 | Fisker | hello ZorbaTHut |
| 18:56.48 | Lulia | Alright :) |
| 18:56.50 | ZorbaTHut | couple that with the reduced herb demand, and you end up with cheaper production |
| 18:56.57 | Jamash | Maldivia: why not? |
| 18:57.08 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't surprise me if it's driven so many people out of the market that it's now actually far more worth doing |
| 18:57.18 | Jamash | hooray for market psychology |
| 18:57.26 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: except i bought most of them before the patch, because i r smrt |
| 18:57.29 | Maldivia | Jamash: well, don't know, people have always been so ops about global namespace polution, and having outside playing with your frames |
| 18:57.40 | Jamash | in my experience it doesn't matter |
| 18:57.42 | ZorbaTHut | plus, the whole "i'll never use these but I must learn them" - I think I've bought *more* glyphs post-4.0 than I did pre-4.0. There aren't that many people who regularly changed glyphs. |
| 18:57.54 | Lulia | Well, I prefixed them with PB to avoid polution |
| 18:58.00 | nevcairiel | Its still only a limited time |
| 18:58.07 | nevcairiel | eventually everyone will be full on glyphs |
| 18:58.14 | ZorbaTHut | nev, people make new characters constantly |
| 18:58.15 | nevcairiel | and what do scribes do then? |
| 18:58.16 | Lulia | pollution* |
| 18:58.24 | durcyn | make offhands and darkmoon cards, duh |
| 18:58.34 | ZorbaTHut | seriously that's just a non-issue |
| 18:58.42 | Lulia | Nev, scribes aren't supposed to make the majority of their profits off of glyphs, according to Blizzard |
| 18:58.47 | Fisker | ok then be a jerk ZorbaTHut :( |
| 18:58.52 | nevcairiel | like darkmoon cards will make money |
| 18:58.53 | Lulia | They want scribes to make the majority of their money from other things. |
| 18:59.08 | Lulia | Tell Blizzard that ;) |
| 18:59.16 | nevcairiel | I don't care, really |
| 18:59.22 | nevcairiel | not every professions has to make a fortune |
| 18:59.24 | Jamash | in cata you'll be able to make insane cash with inscription if they follow through with their idea of being able to make recipes for other profs |
| 18:59.26 | nevcairiel | i have an engineer! |
| 18:59.35 | Maldivia | Lulia: which other things... they took away the velums and the "remove glyph item" is more expensive to make as a scribe than buying it from the vendor |
| 18:59.35 | ZorbaTHut | sorry, hi fisker :D |
| 18:59.55 | Jamash | I don't get why they nerfed vellums |
| 19:00.01 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: do the vendors actually sell the lvl 85 dust? |
| 19:00.05 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 19:00.07 | Lulia | I think their intention is to make it cheaper for past 85, for the "remove glyph item", for inscriptionists to make anyways |
| 19:00.09 | durcyn | nevcairiel: 15g a pop |
| 19:00.17 | Lulia | Also, things like Darkmoon cards, etc... |
| 19:00.24 | nevcairiel | somehow i think the scribe solution is cheaper |
| 19:00.25 | Lulia | I'm not saying it will work, but that's Blizzard's plan. |
| 19:00.28 | durcyn | and it's vanishing powder, iirc |
| 19:00.35 | durcyn | so you can stop calling it "remove glyph item" |
| 19:00.37 | ZorbaTHut | durcyn, what, no it's not |
| 19:00.37 | Lulia | If it's not going to work though, then yeah, Scribes should speak up :) |
| 19:00.40 | ZorbaTHut | it's 32s for a stack of five |
| 19:00.45 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: at 80, yes |
| 19:00.45 | ZorbaTHut | it's like dirt cheap |
| 19:00.52 | Maldivia | durcyn: well, there are 2 items, 1-80 and 80-85 :) |
| 19:00.54 | durcyn | ZorbaTHut: once you hit 81, it's a new powder that costs 15g each |
| 19:00.57 | ZorbaTHut | ah, okay |
| 19:00.57 | Lulia | But they won't change Glyphs back, so you'll need to get creative in other ways for scribes to make money |
| 19:01.02 | syrae | ZorbaTHut: there's a 2nd rank of dust for 81-85 glyphs |
| 19:01.02 | ZorbaTHut | that makes sense then |
| 19:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | that said, I *still* think glyphs are actually more profitable now ;) |
| 19:01.28 | durcyn | syrae: not even 81-85 glyphs, 81-85 players, removing even a low level glyph still costs the expensive reagent |
| 19:01.35 | syrae | durcyn: hawt |
| 19:01.40 | durcyn | so if you want to swap a glyph, do it before you level up in cata =P |
| 19:01.46 | Jamash | I don't get why blizzard has such a hard on for gems but no other profession |
| 19:01.57 | Lulia | It's sort of odd, Jamash. |
| 19:02.07 | Lulia | It's like they're all secretly JCers on their alts or something. :P |
| 19:02.56 | Maldivia | aren't we all ? |
| 19:03.03 | Jamash | when they announced jewelcrafting I thought it was going to be somewhat like diablo II where 1. gems would drop and 2. they'd do cool things |
| 19:03.21 | Jamash | as is I'd rather have gear with no sockets than gear with sockets |
| 19:03.29 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2736/ is now 44 lines |
| 19:03.30 | Lulia | :) |
| 19:03.43 | Jamash | because gear with sockets is nothing but a drain on my pocketbook |
| 19:03.48 | syrae | I was kinda hopinh reforging would be a player profession |
| 19:03.48 | Lulia | I wish socket bonuses did neat things |
| 19:03.53 | Lulia | So they were worth trying to get |
| 19:04.02 | Jamash | especially now that reforging is in |
| 19:04.04 | ZorbaTHut | aren't they being buffed substantially in cata? |
| 19:04.13 | Lulia | Right now it's all about whether or not the stat is the proper type and enough of that type to "gimp" gem choice in order to get it. |
| 19:04.18 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 19:04.21 | Lulia | Buffing socket values doesn't make them interesting. |
| 19:04.27 | Lulia | It just changes how we look at them. |
| 19:04.28 | Jamash | as a hunter I socket agility, agility, agility, agility and, hmm, agility |
| 19:04.38 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't surprise me if they were significantly worth it, especially since reforging will bring us much closer to the stat equivalence point |
| 19:04.45 | Jamash | in cata everyone will socket mastery, mastery, mastery, mastery and, hmm, mastery |
| 19:04.50 | Lulia | I meant, I wish they had cool socket bonuses, effects instead of stats |
| 19:04.52 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2737/ |
| 19:04.56 | nevcairiel | hunters maybe, other classes, not so much :p |
| 19:04.56 | Flowy | its not loaded ... why? |
| 19:04.57 | syrae | Jamash: I knew some MM hunters that used to only gem/enchant Int. O_o |
| 19:05.00 | Lulia | So that you could go "hmm, I want that effect, I'll gem to get it" |
| 19:05.07 | Lulia | But that's more work for Blizz ;) |
| 19:05.16 | Lulia | Balance and such |
| 19:05.50 | Jamash | syrae: that's when marksman hunters got something ridiculous like a 100% conversion from int to AP |
| 19:05.59 | syrae | no, only 45% |
| 19:06.10 | Jamash | ok, I never took MM |
| 19:06.10 | syrae | he just wanted to avoid using Viper |
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| 19:07.03 | Lulia | I'm not as happy with all of their Masteries either. Was sort of hoping they would all be sort of interesting effects. But my Warlock's destro one is something like "more fire damage" and a lot of the DPS ones are like that apparently. |
| 19:07.07 | Jamash | I miss viper sting, but not aspect of the viper |
| 19:07.14 | syrae | Jamash: yeah |
| 19:07.16 | Lulia | But it's easy to complain when you don't design, I'll admit. |
| 19:07.56 | syrae | Jamash: at least Aimed Shot is actually pretty much back to what it was in Vanilla... calling it "Aimed Shot" when it was an insta-cast mortal strike made no friggin' sense |
| 19:08.06 | Jamash | Lulia: Destro is the "shoulda rolled a mage" spec |
| 19:08.21 | Lulia | Destro is actually sort of intricate now, I like it. |
| 19:08.43 | Flowy | <Anchors><Anchor point="CENTER"></Anchor><Anchors> |
| 19:08.47 | Flowy | what is bad on this? |
| 19:08.56 | Flowy | ah |
| 19:08.59 | syrae | um... |
| 19:09.01 | syrae | yeah |
| 19:09.06 | durcyn | it's xml, everything is bad about it. |
| 19:09.08 | syrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.40 | Jamash | so there's an awkward effect of the "haste = more regen" change |
| 19:09.42 | Cairenn | *chuckle* Just helped my daughter with her Halloween costume for the party she's going to tonight |
| 19:09.42 | Cairenn | She's dressed up like a Secret Service Agent - then with a bottle of Windex slung through her belt, rubber gloves on, j-cloth in her pocket, etc |
| 19:09.42 | Cairenn | she's a cleaning agent! |
| 19:09.49 | Flowy | yeah! I got the white square BACK!!! |
| 19:09.56 | syrae | Jamash: how so? |
| 19:10.08 | Kraps | Cairenn: clever |
| 19:10.15 | syrae | Cairenn: hahaa |
| 19:10.16 | Jamash | I was fighting a lich that had an attack slowing effect on frostbolt, my runes took 20 seconds to regen |
| 19:10.29 | syrae | heh |
| 19:10.35 | Jamash | not sure if that's intended or not |
| 19:10.40 | durcyn | Cairenn: http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive/2664 bottom panel. |
| 19:11.08 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:11.17 | Jamash | bad puns are bad |
| 19:12.00 | Lulia | Jamash, I believe Runes are affected by Haste |
| 19:12.06 | syrae | Jamash: what's really awesome is that I was doing Naxx on my Shaman for shits and giggles... on Dance Dance Revolution I got hit with the slow spell cast Debuff and my Flameshock stayed up for something like 2 minutes on him. |
| 19:12.11 | Jamash | Lulia: yes, that's my point |
| 19:12.25 | Jamash | Syrae: huh |
| 19:12.28 | Lulia | Wouldn't the inverse also hold true then? |
| 19:12.35 | Jamash | Lulia: yes |
| 19:12.38 | Lulia | That if you're slowed, your Rune regeneration would also be slowed? |
| 19:12.44 | Lulia | Then I think it's intended :P |
| 19:12.56 | Jamash | Lulia: but it was originally an attack speed slow debuff |
| 19:13.09 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 19:13.17 | Lulia | Did you report it? |
| 19:13.18 | Jamash | which didn't have the additional effect of nerfing power generation |
| 19:13.21 | Jamash | I will |
| 19:14.01 | syrae | loves the random 3rd arm from Worgen fast run. Very Halloween feel |
| 19:14.36 | syrae | though it kinda makes my femme worgen look like she has a clawed penis from certain angles which is kinda disturbing |
| 19:14.45 | syrae | ... just a bit... |
| 19:19.23 | syrae | And that's how you kill a channel |
| 19:19.24 | syrae | bows |
| 19:20.24 | Jamash | let's talk about something else |
| 19:20.36 | Jamash | like raptor jesus |
| 19:21.12 | syrae | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IshINI7uGpE <-- Imperial March done in the style of Beethoven |
| 19:21.49 | Jamash | Syrae: awesome |
| 19:22.13 | syrae | Jamash: more or less awesome than a Harry Potter Pony? http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/07/15/0715-harry-potter-splash-credit.jpg |
| 19:22.24 | Jamash | more awesome |
| 19:22.30 | syrae | just checkin' |
| 19:22.38 | Lulia | Hmm, there's a potential inefficiency with my onupdate function concept |
| 19:23.01 | Lulia | Using one function for all of the runes will do it all at once, but, it will keep running even if none of the runes are on cooldown |
| 19:23.14 | Jamash | doesn't matter that much, does it? |
| 19:23.29 | Lulia | Well, it will needlessly fire every second. |
| 19:23.33 | Lulia | Just seems inefficient |
| 19:23.34 | Jamash | onoes |
| 19:23.38 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 19:23.42 | Lulia | I like being efficient is all! |
| 19:23.58 | Flowy | is there something like "SetAllScripts"? |
| 19:24.04 | Jamash | nah |
| 19:25.30 | syrae | Lulia: man, if you have any experience or passing about software performance engineering, I might have a job opportunity for you! |
| 19:25.55 | Lulia | O.o |
| 19:26.00 | syrae | like, seriously |
| 19:26.21 | Lulia | Well, how much memory does a function that fires every second take up? |
| 19:26.22 | syrae | unfortunately, need to be willing to relocate |
| 19:26.31 | Jamash | no memory |
| 19:26.39 | nevcairiel | Lulia: that depends what your function does |
| 19:26.40 | Lulia | And no, I don't have that sort of experience :-/ |
| 19:26.41 | Jamash | it's cpu you want to worry about in onupdate |
| 19:26.48 | nevcairiel | the function itself doesnt use memory just for getting called |
| 19:26.51 | Jamash | well, unless you're creating junk tables |
| 19:27.03 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:27.07 | Jamash | you might want to assign a file scoped local for use in onupdate |
| 19:27.19 | Flowy | Lulia how to set texture to be circle? |
| 19:27.20 | Jamash | instead of creating new local variables each time |
| 19:27.47 | syrae | ok |
| 19:27.50 | Lulia | Flowy: Huh? |
| 19:27.58 | syrae | instead of doing work, I will now look up tapioca on wikipedia |
| 19:28.09 | Flowy | you said that you have a circle runes |
| 19:28.27 | Lulia | Once upon a time I wanted to be a programmer, but I strayed from that path and got a much less useful degree in Psychology instead. |
| 19:28.39 | syrae | (btw, looking up graham crackers on wikipedia is actually kinda interesting.) |
| 19:28.43 | Lulia | With no money for Grad school and a junky 3.0 gpa that no Grad school wants to pay to get. |
| 19:29.05 | Lulia | They just have transparent backgrounds, Flowy |
| 19:29.28 | Lulia | The images themselves are square, but since the edges around the circular objects are transparent they're circular. |
| 19:29.36 | foxlit | Hm, "Dodge a Raven Seeker missile" |
| 19:29.38 | Lulia | well "appear circular" |
| 19:30.20 | Jamash | "in at least one field in scotland, there is at least one cow that is brown on at least one side" |
| 19:31.06 | Flowy | Lulia how to make transparent something ... |
| 19:31.17 | Jamash | Flowy: use an image editor |
| 19:31.27 | Lulia | You need an image-editing program which can save in the .png format. |
| 19:31.29 | Jamash | not paint |
| 19:31.35 | Lulia | And then you need a png2blp converter |
| 19:31.43 | Lulia | Is Gimp free? |
| 19:31.43 | Cide | or just .tga |
| 19:31.47 | Cide | it's for linux |
| 19:31.50 | Lulia | Ah |
| 19:31.55 | foxlit | tga > blp anyway |
| 19:31.58 | Flowy | if I want to have texture? |
| 19:32.00 | Jamash | An image editor that supports 32 RGBA |
| 19:32.05 | Jamash | *32 bit |
| 19:32.09 | Lulia | .tga also works, but your program has to be able to properly recognize transparency in the .tga |
| 19:32.13 | Flowy | solid |
| 19:32.20 | Lulia | Instead of making it a complicated procedure like freaking photoshop |
| 19:32.21 | Jamash | gimp is free and exists for windows |
| 19:32.27 | alestane | There's a great "gotcha" question: Which is greater, the greatest prime factor of 3^5, or the greatest prime factor of 5^3? |
| 19:32.33 | Jamash | but is designed to be used by space monkeys |
| 19:32.42 | Jamash | alestane: lol |
| 19:32.54 | Lulia | If I could figure out transparent tgas in Photoshop I would use them :( |
| 19:32.56 | Jamash | you should make the numbers bigger |
| 19:33.16 | Jamash | like 17^23 or 23^17, just to blow people's minds |
| 19:33.36 | Flowy | lua> return 17^23, 23^17 |
| 19:33.36 | lua_bot | Flowy: 1.996756890086e+28, 1.4105003956066e+23 |
| 19:33.45 | Jamash | ~fail Flowy |
| 19:33.45 | purl | Flowy, you Fail! |
| 19:33.50 | Flowy | what is prime factor? |
| 19:34.03 | Cide | I wonder if Flowy is the best troll ever |
| 19:34.08 | Jamash | could be |
| 19:34.11 | Cide | or if he's just as fucking retarded |
| 19:34.31 | Flowy | its on yours sir |
| 19:34.35 | Jamash | Flowy: is english your second or third language? |
| 19:34.44 | Cide | or seventeenth |
| 19:34.48 | Flowy | third if I can count it |
| 19:34.59 | Cide | it barely counts |
| 19:35.45 | Flowy | is there something that have alpha in square? |
| 19:36.03 | Flowy | eh means circle |
| 19:36.27 | Cide | totally |
| 19:39.50 | Jamash | Flowy: If you don't mind my asking, what is your primary language? |
| 19:40.11 | Flowy | Slovakish |
| 19:40.36 | Flowy | why? :) do you know where it is? :D |
| 19:40.54 | Cide | funny |
| 19:40.56 | Jamash | just wondering if Programming in Lua was available in that language |
| 19:41.08 | Jamash | apparently not |
| 19:41.14 | Cide | since it's not named slovakish |
| 19:41.21 | Cide | brb |
| 19:41.28 | Flowy | slovak ... as you wish |
| 19:41.29 | Jamash | hey, I don't know how to say "English" in slovakian |
| 19:41.36 | Jamash | or w/e |
| 19:42.04 | Flowy | w/e? |
| 19:42.08 | Jamash | whatever |
| 19:42.28 | Flowy | :) |
| 19:42.55 | Flowy | why there is not special handler for cooldown widget? |
| 19:44.11 | Flowy | or just something like GetCooldown ... |
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| 19:45.43 | Jamash | there is |
| 19:45.45 | Jamash | let me see |
| 19:46.30 | Jamash | local start, duration, enable = GetSpellCooldown(id, BOOKTYPE_SPELL) |
| 19:47.08 | Flowy | I mean the "frame" cooldown |
| 19:47.12 | Flowy | the object ... |
| 19:47.14 | Jamash | ah, hmm |
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| 19:47.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 19:47.33 | Cide | hi |
| 19:48.09 | Cide | so anyway |
| 19:48.13 | Cide | it's called slovak |
| 19:48.19 | Cide | not slovakish |
| 19:48.28 | Lulia | heh, I was about to ask if there was a decrement operator in lua, then I remembered that it would end up being a comment. |
| 19:48.28 | Jamash | we've established that |
| 19:48.43 | Lulia | Thus it's not possible, at least not in the way I know of them. |
| 19:48.49 | Cide | it's not |
| 19:48.51 | Jamash | a = a - 1 |
| 19:48.55 | Lulia | right |
| 19:49.13 | Lulia | I was thinking of something like a--, such as in C, but that would create a comment ;) |
| 19:49.19 | syrae | heh |
| 19:49.41 | Lulia | --a would be even better, just comment out the variable altogether! |
| 19:49.54 | syrae | just make a short function called Ninja(a) that decrements by one each time it's called |
| 19:50.23 | Jamash | ~fail syrae |
| 19:50.23 | purl | You suck at everything in life, syrae. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:50.27 | Cide | or don't |
| 19:50.30 | Lulia | So mean. |
| 19:51.32 | Jamash | Lua uses pass-by-value so function Ninja(a) a = a - 1 end has no effect |
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| 19:52.06 | Cide | pass-by-value for primitive types* |
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| 19:52.27 | Jamash | table references are references, so the reference is passed by value, so suck it |
| 19:52.34 | syrae | Jamash: I am immune to your fail macroes! |
| 19:52.45 | syrae | Because my main's name is Faileas, so... I get that a lot |
| 19:52.49 | Jamash | I SHALL DEMONSTRATE |
| 19:52.49 | syrae | Faileas the Huntard! |
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| 19:53.35 | Cide | Jamash: you are of course, right, and I invite you to prove it yourself |
| 19:54.05 | Jamash | lua> local t = {a=5}; function suckIt(tt) tt={b=6} end; suckIt(t); print(t.a) |
| 19:54.05 | lua_bot | Jamash: 5 |
| 19:54.37 | Cide | indeed |
| 19:55.52 | Jamash | function(a,b,c) blah blah end is equivalent to function(...) a,b,c = ...; blah blah end |
| 19:55.59 | Jamash | I mean local a,b,c |
| 19:56.24 | Cide | not at all |
| 19:56.26 | Cide | I SHALL DEMONSTRATE |
| 19:56.30 | Jamash | hawt |
| 19:56.40 | Flowy | <TexCoords left=".25" right=".25" top=".25" bottom=".25" /> |
| 19:56.48 | Flowy | will show the centre right? |
| 19:56.49 | Jamash | opens his notebook to page 37 and readies his mechanical pencil. |
| 19:57.04 | Cide | lua> (function(a, b, c) print(...) end)(1, 2, 3); (function(...) local a, b, c = ...; print(...) end)(1, 2, 3); |
| 19:57.04 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: cannot use '...' outside a vararg function near '...' |
| 19:57.11 | syrae | hah |
| 19:57.19 | Ackis | hey Fisker my dry spell is over |
| 19:57.24 | Cide | see, one errors. |
| 19:57.25 | syrae | Ackis: uuuhhh |
| 19:57.32 | Cide | even so, if you redo it |
| 19:57.39 | Jamash | okay, /almost/ equivalent |
| 19:57.56 | Cide | indeed :P |
| 19:58.00 | Kraps | "The trouble with immersion, though, is that, like The Game, you lose it as soon as you start thinking about it." |
| 19:58.36 | Cide | The Game makes me think of the movie |
| 19:58.41 | Cide | which is an awesome movie |
| 19:59.10 | Jamash | The Game makes me think of Existenz |
| 19:59.10 | Ackis | https://s-hphotos-ash2.fbcdn.net/hs464.ash2/73704_461591198253_80329313253_5447442_1302999_n.jpg |
| 19:59.16 | Jamash | which is not an awesome movie |
| 19:59.40 | Jamash | Ackis: Don't you have a blog where you can post pictures of cute animals? |
| 19:59.40 | syrae | Cide: The Game was an awesome movie. |
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| 19:59.50 | Jamash | shit, hide |
| 20:00.23 | Jamash | time to go make a D&D Essentials character |
| 20:00.56 | Lulia | Hmm, someone suggested using /3 earlier instead of 0.3333333333 |
| 20:01.12 | Jamash | lua>print(/3) |
| 20:01.12 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 20:01.12 | Cide | that was me |
| 20:01.15 | Lulia | *0.333333333 < forgot the multiply |
| 20:01.23 | Jamash | lua>print(1/3) |
| 20:01.23 | lua_bot | Jamash: 0.33333333333333 |
| 20:01.34 | Jamash | oic |
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| 20:01.40 | Lulia | Oh, wait, hmm |
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| 20:02.27 | Jamash | lua> print(0.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999) |
| 20:02.27 | lua_bot | Jamash: 1 |
| 20:02.33 | Jamash | sweet |
| 20:02.46 | Cide | totally a scientific discovery :P |
| 20:02.48 | Lulia | Oddly enough. |
| 20:02.52 | nevcairiel | you exceeded accuracy, how mean of you |
| 20:03.03 | Lulia | I also replaced that method for my position stuff. |
| 20:03.17 | Lulia | So instead of Frame.Height*0.33 |
| 20:03.21 | Lulia | I did Frame.Height/3 |
| 20:03.22 | Ackis | Jamash: no, no blog, just facebook where I upload pics of my own |
| 20:03.30 | Kraps | Ackis: animals dont like dressing up! |
| 20:03.32 | Lulia | And the result is that they're not in the same positions as before. |
| 20:03.41 | Cide | you will want to round it |
| 20:03.57 | Cide | math.floor(Frame.Height/3 + 0.5) |
| 20:04.00 | Ackis | Kraps: yes they do!!! sometimes :( |
| 20:04.21 | Lulia | What does .floor do? |
| 20:04.31 | Lulia | or, rather floor() |
| 20:04.32 | Cide | google |
| 20:04.36 | Lulia | :P, one sec |
| 20:05.26 | nevcairiel | it throws your number on the floor and picks it up again |
| 20:05.27 | Lulia | Returns the largest integer smaller than or equal to x. |
| 20:05.46 | Lulia | Oh, okay, I see now. |
| 20:05.48 | Lulia | Neat. |
| 20:05.56 | Lulia | I had to read that a couple times >.> |
| 20:06.18 | Lulia | And the 0.5 is to make sure it rounds up? |
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| 20:06.30 | Cide | for x.5 and up, yes |
| 20:07.16 | nevcairiel | its a cheap way to get real rounding without a function for it |
| 20:07.16 | Lulia | Thanks, Cide |
| 20:07.20 | syrae|fail | ever had one of those days where everything you do is just ridiculously fucked up? |
| 20:07.33 | Cide | nope |
| 20:07.38 | Cide | never, in fact |
| 20:07.47 | Lulia | Well shoot, they're still postioned wrong. I must have something else incorrect in my script. Odd. |
| 20:08.05 | syrae|fail | Cide: I hate you |
| 20:08.12 | alestane | I haven't had any of those lately, but I've had days lately wear basically everything that someone else could do to fuck me up, they did. |
| 20:08.12 | syrae|fail | like |
| 20:08.20 | syrae|fail | I hate you | | this much |
| 20:09.49 | Lulia | Alright, this is a bit odd, but... |
| 20:10.00 | Lulia | Y_Pos = Frame.Height*0.33; put them in the proper position |
| 20:10.07 | Lulia | And Y_Pos = math.floor(Frame.Height/3 + 0.5); didn't |
| 20:10.15 | Cide | I'm not sure how long that was syrae|fail |
| 20:10.22 | Cide | because I'm on web chat and html only does one space |
| 20:10.27 | Cide | | | |
| 20:10.28 | Lulia | In the second one, they're very close together, almost overlapping. |
| 20:10.33 | syrae|fail | Cide: that's how much I put in there |
| 20:10.37 | syrae|fail | one space |
| 20:10.45 | syrae|fail | I'm pretty fail at hating |
| 20:10.52 | Lulia | Any reason why it might do that, Cide? |
| 20:12.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide_ (d5643321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.100.51.33) |
| 20:12.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide_] by ChanServ |
| 20:12.27 | Cide_ | hi |
| 20:12.33 | Cide_ | did you see my chat? |
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| 20:12.38 | Cide_ | didn't show up here |
| 20:12.41 | syrae|fail | [ 1:10:16pm]<Cide>I'm not sure how long that was syrae|fail |
| 20:12.42 | syrae|fail | [ 1:10:23pm]<Cide>because I'm on web chat and html only does one space |
| 20:12.44 | syrae|fail | [ 1:10:27pm]<Cide>| | |
| 20:12.48 | syrae|fail | last I saw from youu |
| 20:12.51 | Cide_ | ok |
| 20:13.05 | Cide_ | Lulia: you're relying on the inaccuracies of the rendering engine then |
| 20:13.14 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 20:13.17 | Cide_ | what are you trying to accomplish anyway? |
| 20:13.33 | Cide_ | the rendering engine isn't good at pixel-perfect stuff |
| 20:13.38 | Lulia | It's positioning the frames based upon the height of its parent object. |
| 20:13.53 | Maldivia | Lulia: frame3:SetPoint("TOP", frame5, "BOTTOM") |
| 20:13.53 | Cide_ | can't you just anchor then? |
| 20:14.13 | Cide_ | probably what Maldivia said |
| 20:14.28 | Lulia | Well, if the object is resized... |
| 20:14.49 | Lulia | I won't know which size the object is. |
| 20:14.55 | Cide_ | then it will adjust with an anchor |
| 20:14.55 | Cide_ | automatically |
| 20:14.58 | Cide_ | the anchor knows |
| 20:16.39 | Lulia | Apparently I need to learn more about anchors then, because I really don't understand them at all. |
| 20:16.43 | Maldivia | if index % 2 == 0 then SetPoint("LEFT", frame[index - 1], "RIGHT") else SetPoint("TOP", frame[index - 2], "BOTTOM") |
| 20:17.18 | Cide_ | what Maldivia said will put the top edge of your frame3 at the bottom edge of frame5 |
| 20:17.19 | Maldivia | that should anchor them left to right, top to botton, two frames on each row |
| 20:17.49 | Maldivia | (should add a special handler on index == 1) |
| 20:18.40 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 20:18.42 | Lulia | :) |
| 20:18.53 | Lulia | Thank you. |
| 20:18.59 | Lulia | That's definitely neater. |
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| 20:19.17 | Maldivia | Lulia: you probably want a if index == 1 then SetPoint("TOPLEFT", parentFrame, "TOPLEFT") -- or something like that |
| 20:19.32 | Lulia | Right |
| 20:19.38 | Maldivia | no left... heh :) |
| 20:19.41 | Cide_ | also known as SetPoint("TOPLEFT") |
| 20:19.58 | Cide_ | (is that a valid shorthand? I can't remember) |
| 20:20.00 | Maldivia | Cide: if parentFrame == frame:GetParent() |
| 20:20.08 | Maldivia | and it is |
| 20:20.16 | Cide_ | I thought that was a given if you called it parentFrame :P |
| 20:20.50 | Maldivia | personally, I prefer to type it out, instead of just SetPoint("anchor") |
| 20:20.58 | Maldivia | like the verbose version better |
| 20:21.06 | Cide_ | if you like wasting disk space, sure |
| 20:21.15 | Cide_ | do you also use semicolons and spaces over tabs??? |
| 20:21.29 | Maldivia | semi colon yes, always tabs! |
| 20:21.42 | Maldivia | tabs for indentation, spaces for precision |
| 20:21.44 | Cide_ | I knew it |
| 20:21.50 | Cide_ | wastefuldivia |
| 20:22.05 | Maldivia | and waste diskspace... it's allocation in 4kb chunks anyway |
| 20:22.28 | Maldivia | so yeah, that semicolon from 4096 to 4097 is expensive :) |
| 20:22.45 | Shirik | I use semicolons too :( |
| 20:22.47 | Ackis | I seriously just copied something from my PC and tried to paste it onto my phone |
| 20:22.51 | Shirik | and of course spaces |
| 20:22.54 | Cide_ | me too |
| 20:23.03 | Cide_ | I'm just trolling |
| 20:23.09 | Cide_ | I like spaces |
| 20:23.24 | Ackis | Cairenn: you know anyone in edmonton? |
| 20:23.29 | Shirik | There should be a language where tabs are a syntax error |
| 20:23.34 | Cide_ | python |
| 20:23.36 | Cide_ | almost |
| 20:23.38 | Cairenn | Ackis: I did, why? |
| 20:23.42 | foxlit | Shirik: perish. |
| 20:23.44 | Cide_ | pep8 says to always use tabs anyway :P |
| 20:23.48 | Maldivia | Shirik: whitespacE? |
| 20:23.54 | Ackis | Cairenn: AMBER ALERT: 12-year-old Jacob Telford taken from Sherwood Park last night - White 2002 Ford Taurus - BC Plate: V2P4J3 |
| 20:24.05 | Shirik | No not "sometimes illegal" |
| 20:24.07 | Shirik | "always illegal" |
| 20:24.10 | Lulia | if i == 1 then Rune.Frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT"); elseif i % 2 == 0 then Rune.Frame:SetPoint("LEFT", Runes[i-1].Frame, "RIGHT"); else Rune.Frame:SetPoint("TOP", Runes[i-2].Frame, "BOTTOM"); end |
| 20:24.17 | Maldivia | Shirik: well, it has a meaning in whitespace :) |
| 20:24.22 | Cairenn | not a name I know, thoughts going out to the family regardless |
| 20:24.35 | Cide_ | Cairenn: official rule on banning flowy? |
| 20:24.37 | Cide_ | ruling* |
| 20:24.42 | Cide_ | pretty please. |
| 20:24.45 | Shirik | flowy? |
| 20:24.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:24.49 | Cairenn | what? why? huh? |
| 20:25.15 | Maldivia | Lulia: is it working ? |
| 20:25.15 | Flowy | because Cide_ is a motherfucker |
| 20:25.15 | Ackis | Cide_ is just being a grump |
| 20:25.15 | Lulia | Seems to be :) |
| 20:25.16 | Flowy | if its good reason then do it |
| 20:25.20 | Cide_ | I have one fan |
| 20:25.21 | Cide_ | at least |
| 20:25.22 | nevcairiel | hey, imho that line alone warrants |
| 20:25.24 | Cairenn | Flowy: comments like that aren't likely to help your case |
| 20:25.25 | Cide_ | you are both fail at paying attention |
| 20:25.34 | nevcairiel | +it |
| 20:25.35 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b Maldivia *!*the_real@merge.beerzone.dk] by Shirik |
| 20:25.35 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Maldivia!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (If you aren't going to play nice, you're not going to play) |
| 20:25.36 | Lulia | I'll have to apply that change across the addon |
| 20:25.38 | Shirik | whoops |
| 20:25.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:25.43 | nevcairiel | lol Shirik |
| 20:25.46 | nevcairiel | fail :d |
| 20:25.49 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b Flowy *!*Flowy@91.148.3.223] by Shirik |
| 20:25.49 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Flowy!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (If you're not going to play nice, you're not going to play) |
| 20:25.50 | syrae|fail | Fail |
| 20:25.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*the_real@merge.beerzone.dk] by Shirik |
| 20:25.58 | Cairenn | Shirik: thank you |
| 20:25.59 | Ackis | ~fail Shirik |
| 20:26.00 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Shirik. I hate you because you fail. |
| 20:26.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (d5643321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.100.51.33) |
| 20:26.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:26.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Maldivia (~the_real@merge.beerzone.dk) |
| 20:26.04 | Cide | stupid webchat stops working |
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| 20:26.05 | Shirik | Sorry Maldivia :( |
| 20:26.08 | Ackis | ~comfort Maldivia |
| 20:26.08 | purl | There, there, Maldivia. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 20:26.16 | Cide | flowy, you never make any effort at finding the answers yourself |
| 20:26.23 | Cide | instead you rely on us to feed you information |
| 20:26.24 | Shirik | I've seen him for the last few days |
| 20:26.28 | Shirik | I just forgot the name |
| 20:26.31 | nevcairiel | Cide: he got kicked and banned |
| 20:26.34 | Cide | it's something I hate with a fucking passion |
| 20:26.35 | Cide | he did? |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | you missed it! |
| 20:26.40 | Cide | FUCK |
| 20:26.43 | Shirik | I've been debating it for a while, that last line against Cide was the last straw |
| 20:26.51 | Maldivia | Shirik: you're screwing with my logs, now I'm missing a few seconds :/ |
| 20:26.52 | syrae|fail | Cide: Fail |
| 20:26.53 | Cairenn | agreed |
| 20:26.54 | nevcairiel | i'm sure he'll be back ban evading |
| 20:27.00 | syrae|fail | today I am the fail-fairy |
| 20:27.04 | Ackis | nevcairiel: he already switched servers |
| 20:27.05 | nevcairiel | he said he would be |
| 20:27.07 | Cide | wait |
| 20:27.13 | Cide | did he say anything past me being a motherfucker? |
| 20:27.17 | Cide | or was that it |
| 20:27.23 | nevcairiel | that was it |
| 20:27.26 | Shirik | Did you at least see me ban Maldivia? |
| 20:27.26 | Ackis | 14:27*** Flowy is now known as flowyk |
| 20:27.26 | Cide | ah |
| 20:27.39 | Cide | wasn't sure if the webchat missed something even funnier |
| 20:27.52 | Cide | no |
| 20:27.56 | Cide | I saw maldivia join right after me |
| 20:28.07 | Ackis | but isn't cide a motherfucker? |
| 20:28.09 | Shirik | Trust me, I deal with people ban evading on Wikipedia which are much more... desparate than him |
| 20:28.11 | Cide | I totally am |
| 20:28.16 | Shirik | He's not going to be able to avoid it forever |
| 20:28.25 | Cide | I need cide.ws back so I can ssh to my other machine more easily |
| 20:28.29 | Ackis | Shirik: he's in wowace/wowpedia *shrug* |
| 20:28.33 | Cide | didn't bother renewing it though :( |
| 20:28.47 | Shirik | since you missed it |
| 20:28.59 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/142231 |
| 20:29.23 | nevcairiel | when people have dynamic ips, bannign them effectively us really not possible, you'll have to ban them again and again until they give up =/ |
| 20:29.28 | Cide | well done |
| 20:29.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (~o_o@82.103.139.67) |
| 20:29.35 | Cide | see, he's already back. |
| 20:29.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:29.41 | Fisker | sup Cide ? |
| 20:29.41 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:30.05 | Cide | oh nothing Fisk3r |
| 20:30.06 | Ackis | Fisk3r is ban evading |
| 20:30.26 | Fisk3r | it's annoying though |
| 20:30.31 | Maldivia | Shirik: you'll be happy to know, I only have 5 hosts to ban evade from, if I needed :) |
| 20:30.33 | Cairenn | damnit, where's lopeppeppy? |
| 20:30.40 | Fisk3r | I'm afraid that WoW's autoban will kick in so i have to disconnect to check for treats ;( |
| 20:30.57 | alestane | She vanished while I was napping this morning, Cairenn. |
| 20:30.58 | syrae|fail | auto-ban? |
| 20:31.03 | Fisk3r | yeah |
| 20:31.05 | Cairenn | damnit |
| 20:31.22 | Fisk3r | If your ip changes too rapidly WoW can detect it as a security breach and lock down your account |
| 20:31.27 | Cairenn | alestane: if you happen to see her and I miss her again, please to pass along what I just sent to you? |
| 20:31.28 | syrae|fail | ah |
| 20:31.29 | Maldivia | hmm, there's an flaw in the IRB protocol... bans should have comments |
| 20:31.35 | Lulia | PowerBars.Runes = {}; local Runes = PowerBars.Runes; Runes[i] = {}; local Rune = Runes[i]; Rune.Frame = CreateFrame("FRAME", nil, Base); Rune.Frame.Cooldown = CreateFrame("Cooldown", nil, Rune.Frame); local Cooldown = Rune.Frame.Cooldown; Cooldown.Frame = CreateFrame("FRAME, nil, Rune.Frame); local CDFrame = Cooldown.Frame; CDFrame:Hide() should be equivalent to |
| 20:31.41 | Fisk3r | IRB? |
| 20:31.44 | Lulia | PowerBars.Runes[i].Frame.Cooldown.Frame:Hide(), no? |
| 20:31.53 | nevcairiel | internet relay banning, duh! |
| 20:32.09 | Fisk3r | i hope you don't have an alphabetical keyboard Maldivia |
| 20:32.17 | Maldivia | Lulia: no, because you need to create the tables |
| 20:32.17 | Lulia | Or am I reading it incorrectly? |
| 20:32.21 | Lulia | Oh |
| 20:32.27 | Lulia | >.> |
| 20:32.31 | Lulia | is embarrassed. |
| 20:32.47 | syrae|fail | Lulia|fail? |
| 20:32.53 | nevcairiel | btw, last nights big bang theory was awesome, if anyone hasnt seen it yet, go watch :p |
| 20:33.06 | Ackis | I haven't watched a single episode of it nevcairiel |
| 20:33.09 | Maldivia | watched the project runway finale instead ): |
| 20:33.09 | Cide | fine, I will |
| 20:33.11 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:33.20 | *** part/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-76-116-64-179.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:33.27 | Lulia | I heard that Frames create wrapper tables though? |
| 20:33.27 | durcyn | ugh, everything chuck lorre ever touched needs to be cleansed by rigtheous fire, starting with two and a half nerds |
| 20:33.42 | Lulia | So do I need to create a table before creating a frame object if I want to use it as a table? |
| 20:33.58 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes, i am getting it >.< |
| 20:34.01 | Maldivia | Lulia: no |
| 20:34.02 | nevcairiel | Lulia: no, a frame comes with its own table :) |
| 20:34.17 | Lulia | Alright :), so I understood that much correctly. |
| 20:34.48 | Lulia | But all of those are frames. |
| 20:35.17 | Lulia | Except PowerBars.Runes[i] which is initialized as a table. |
| 20:35.37 | Maldivia | Lulia: well, you're creating them along the way... after they are created, then you can hide it like you typed |
| 20:35.55 | foxlit | eep! |
| 20:35.56 | Lulia | right |
| 20:36.03 | Lulia | But it's not hiding them, which is odd |
| 20:36.09 | foxlit | beta broke my restricted code :( |
| 20:36.26 | Lulia | and: print("Is Shown: "..PowerBars.Runes[i].Frame.Cooldown.Frame:IsShown()); after all of what I just typed gives me a nil error in the game |
| 20:36.32 | syrae | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2050-Patch-4.0.3-now-available-on-Test-Realms |
| 20:36.39 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you're 2 days behind |
| 20:36.44 | Lulia | I'll paste it if you want to take a look, sec, need to bring up ace paste |
| 20:36.48 | foxlit | Well, yes. |
| 20:36.51 | foxlit | Nothing intentional? :) |
| 20:36.55 | nevcairiel | Its a bug though, so don't worry |
| 20:37.16 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2738/ |
| 20:37.19 | Cidan | Lulia: I strongly suggest you take a step back for a bit, and learn some basics about Lua, and programming in general. It's going to save you a wholeee lot of headaches. |
| 20:38.07 | Lulia | Well, I have some programming knowledge. It's the Lua and WoW API that I'm learning. |
| 20:38.14 | Lulia | But if what I'm doing is technically correct... |
| 20:38.47 | durcyn | valid syntax doesn't always yield functional results, go read a book. |
| 20:39.23 | Lulia | But Valid syntax shouldn't bring up errors... no? |
| 20:39.39 | Cide | you come from C/C++ no? |
| 20:39.40 | Sintacks | adds if statement to his highlight script |
| 20:39.44 | Lulia | Yes, Cide |
| 20:39.48 | Cide | valid syntax is equivalent to successful compilation |
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| 20:39.49 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 20:39.49 | durcyn | you seem to have missed the part where forcing people in this channel to re-write said book is not exactly endearing. |
| 20:39.55 | nevcairiel | there is syntax, and there is semantics |
| 20:39.56 | durcyn | ~pil |
| 20:39.57 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:39.59 | Lulia | Right, but this isn't successfully compiling. :-/ |
| 20:40.07 | Cide | why not? |
| 20:40.10 | Cide | are you getting syntax errors? |
| 20:40.24 | Maldivia | what you're trying to hide at the end is the text on the top of the CD |
| 20:40.27 | Lulia | Apparently PowerBars.Runes[i].Frame.Cooldown.Frame:IsShown() is equal to nil |
| 20:40.32 | Sintacks | coughs |
| 20:40.33 | Cide | that's not a syntax error |
| 20:40.36 | nevcairiel | that is valid syntax |
| 20:40.38 | Kraps | "Patch 4.0.3 now available on Test Realms" |
| 20:40.38 | Cide | and thus it compiles |
| 20:40.44 | Sintacks | fucking hate my name sometimes |
| 20:40.45 | Cide | it gives you a runtime error |
| 20:40.49 | durcyn | Sintacks: you get back in your hole! |
| 20:40.49 | nevcairiel | its basically just crashing because something in the middle is undefined |
| 20:40.51 | Fisk3r | in b4 old Kraps |
| 20:40.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 20:40.53 | Maldivia | Lulia: IsShown() returns nil if it's hidden |
| 20:40.59 | Sintacks | walks away |
| 20:41.06 | Lulia | Ah |
| 20:41.24 | Lulia | >.> I should have known that, I used it before. |
| 20:41.24 | nevcairiel | WoWAPI has this thing, it doesnt return true/false, it returns 1/nil |
| 20:41.32 | Cide | they should make all the functions that have side effects return self |
| 20:41.41 | Cide | so you can chain function calls |
| 20:41.43 | Cide | ftw |
| 20:41.46 | Maldivia | Lulia: also, notice that you're calling IsShown() on the frame containing the test ontop of the cooldown, nothing else! |
| 20:41.48 | Cidan | that's because in Lua, true/false evaluate to the same bool type |
| 20:41.50 | Kraps | Fisk3r: y so l33t? |
| 20:41.59 | Maldivia | s/test/text/ |
| 20:42.00 | Cidan | nil is the only true "false" in lua |
| 20:42.05 | Cide | what, Cidan? |
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| 20:42.15 | Cide | false and nil both evaluate to false in boolean contexts |
| 20:42.15 | nevcairiel | false is false |
| 20:42.19 | Lulia | No, no, CDFrame is its own frame, Maldivia. |
| 20:42.19 | Mirrormn | false is a pretty true false |
| 20:42.31 | nevcairiel | lua> not false == not nil |
| 20:42.31 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: true |
| 20:42.34 | Cidan | Hm; Really? iirc, false can return true in a certain context. |
| 20:42.38 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 20:42.45 | nevcairiel | false is the opposite of true |
| 20:42.46 | Maldivia | Lulia: yeah, and all that frame contains is the text, nothing else |
| 20:42.46 | Lulia | There's a base frame, then a rune frame, then the cooldown frame and the text frame and then the text |
| 20:43.00 | Mirrormn | lua> not true |
| 20:43.01 | lua_bot | Mirrormn: false |
| 20:43.07 | Mirrormn | ^ |
| 20:43.08 | Lulia | Since the text is a child of the frame, shouldn't it hide if its parent isn't visible? |
| 20:43.28 | Cidan | lua> local x = false; if x then return 1 end |
| 20:43.28 | lua_bot | Cidan: No output |
| 20:43.31 | Cidan | hm. |
| 20:43.32 | Lulia | That just might be a lack of understanding on my part. That's what I assumed from what I've learned thus far. |
| 20:43.33 | Maldivia | Lulia: in your code, the CDFrame at the end is a reference to the text-frame |
| 20:43.33 | Cidan | thinks. |
| 20:43.47 | Cidan | oh well, I was wrong. |
| 20:44.19 | Maldivia | Lulia: meaning CDFrame:Hide() only hides the text-frame (and thus the fontstring that contains the text), doesn't hide the cooldown frame or the rune frame |
| 20:44.37 | Lulia | I don't want it to :) |
| 20:44.41 | Lulia | I just want it to hide the text |
| 20:44.44 | Lulia | But it's not hiding it. |
| 20:45.04 | Lulia | The text is CD text, and is initially set to 0 so shouldn't be showing. |
| 20:45.15 | Lulia | A different function reveals it when it's greater than 0 |
| 20:45.20 | Maldivia | that's because you're calling your CreateFont with Rune.Frame, and no CDFrame |
| 20:45.21 | Lulia | And hides it again when it reaches 0. |
| 20:45.44 | Maldivia | so the text-fontstring is NOT a child of CDFrame, this CDFrame:Hide() will not hide the text-fontstring |
| 20:45.50 | Lulia | d'oh |
| 20:45.54 | Lulia | That's right |
| 20:46.00 | Lulia | That was not intentional... |
| 20:46.02 | Lulia | >.> |
| 20:46.30 | Lulia | ~fail Lulia |
| 20:46.30 | purl | Lulia, you Fail! |
| 20:46.34 | Lulia | Yeah... |
| 20:46.39 | Cide | speaking of not intentional vs unintentional |
| 20:46.51 | Cide | we should invent unnot as a double negative |
| 20:46.52 | Kraps | why is there no official word on the ptr? |
| 20:47.07 | Cide | effectively adding useless sentence debris |
| 20:47.12 | Maldivia | Cide: that would be dpuble plus ungood! |
| 20:47.19 | Lulia | :P |
| 20:47.25 | Maldivia | double* |
| 20:47.52 | Cide | that's unnot true |
| 20:48.25 | Fisk3r | hey Cide |
| 20:48.25 | Maldivia | should just shorten it to !! |
| 20:48.31 | Maldivia | that's !! true |
| 20:48.40 | Mirrormn | I don't think we need no one-word double negatives |
| 20:48.48 | Cide | that's unnotunfun |
| 20:49.02 | Cidan | anything more than one negative makes my head hurt |
| 20:49.31 | Maldivia | I can't say if that's not sad or not |
| 20:49.53 | Cide | unwell unplayed |
| 20:50.20 | Maldivia | antiunnot true! |
| 20:51.06 | Cidan | wouldn't unwell unplayed mean that you didn't play poorly? |
| 20:51.09 | Cidan | lol |
| 20:51.11 | Cidan | cries |
| 20:51.17 | Cide | yes |
| 20:51.19 | Cide | you played well |
| 20:51.27 | Ackis | https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/39517e2f-e968-4715-8b97-9d7e5f849c54.jpg |
| 20:51.34 | Ackis | https ftw |
| 20:51.35 | Cidan | I read it as, you didn't play, and that you did poorly at it. |
| 20:51.39 | Fisk3r | i already saw that Ackis :( |
| 20:51.40 | Ackis | gotta protect those kittehs |
| 20:51.47 | Cide | Cidan: naturally |
| 20:51.50 | Ackis | bans Fisk3r |
| 20:51.50 | Fisk3r | omg Ackis then noone can hijack your icanhazcheezburger session!1 |
| 20:52.22 | Fisk3r | you know what could be funneh Ackis ? |
| 20:52.30 | Cide | but doing poorly at not playing and doing well at playing can be regarded as the same given the wrongly right circumstances |
| 20:52.43 | Fisk3r | doing arp poisoning and redirecting facebook to failbook :o |
| 20:52.57 | Cide | nah |
| 20:53.06 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:53.09 | Cide | redirect facebook to the xsrf exploit |
| 20:53.23 | Cide | that was recently published as a firefox plugin |
| 20:53.38 | Cide | and post facerape comments |
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| 20:53.47 | Ackis | that's only if you don't use https facebook I thought Cide? |
| 20:54.13 | Cide | I don't think most people do |
| 20:54.29 | Cide | and given the 300+ million users you have ample of targets anyway |
| 20:54.37 | Ackis | true |
| 20:54.44 | Ackis | I just use https anywhere for firefox |
| 20:55.10 | Fisk3r | i find it kinda funny that our managed switches respond both on https and http but let you login through http |
| 20:55.19 | Cide | anyone playing bloodline champions btw? |
| 20:55.26 | Ackis | I got an invite |
| 20:55.32 | Cide | tried it out yet? |
| 20:55.43 | Cide | I played a single player match with bots |
| 20:55.44 | Ackis | nah won't have time (e-mail deleted) |
| 20:55.52 | Cidan | Oh, DC Universe Online |
| 20:55.55 | Cidan | is insanely fun. |
| 20:55.57 | Cide | forward it to me? |
| 20:56.03 | Cide | or did you delete it from trash |
| 20:56.11 | Cide | I think it'll be awesome online |
| 20:56.20 | Fisk3r | you are a horrible person if you did Ackis |
| 20:56.23 | Ackis | I'll check webmail to see if it still exists cide but chances are it's gone |
| 20:56.42 | Cide | y u do dat? |
| 20:56.43 | Kraps | you can also google facebook login and die from comedy gold http://loginhelper.com/networks/facebook-login/ |
| 20:56.47 | *** join/#wowuidev adys_ (~jl@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:58.19 | Ackis | get it cide? |
| 20:58.23 | Fisk3r | omg you can preload cataclysm without preordering |
| 20:58.25 | Cide | someone should dig up the site that had a facebook connect button |
| 20:58.26 | Fisk3r | i demand a refund! |
| 20:58.36 | Cide | with comments asking WHY IS FACEBOOK LOOKING ALL WEIRD and shit |
| 20:58.41 | Alram | Fisk3r, old |
| 20:58.49 | Cide | yeah, thanks Ackis |
| 20:59.00 | Ackis | kk e-mail now being nuked for sure and you're welcome |
| 20:59.25 | Fisk3r | Ackis |
| 20:59.32 | Ackis | fisker |
| 20:59.33 | Fisk3r | when did i brb trick or treat in wowpedia? |
| 20:59.39 | Kraps | Cide: this is the best one http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_wants_to_be_your_one_true_login.php |
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| 21:00.14 | Cide | hahaha yeah |
| 21:00.16 | Cide | that's the one |
| 21:00.25 | Ackis | 14:07Fisk3ranyway trick or treat brb |
| 21:00.29 | Cide | that proves my idea awesome |
| 21:00.29 | Ackis | it's now 15:00 |
| 21:00.34 | Ackis | so 7 more mins fisker |
| 21:01.39 | Cide | LIKED THE OLD FACEBOOK SING IN............ |
| 21:02.03 | Ackis | I need 4 more masks for that stupid achievement and the horseman mount |
| 21:02.04 | Ackis | fml |
| 21:02.16 | Fisk3r | :( |
| 21:02.17 | Fisk3r | i need 1 |
| 21:02.21 | Fisk3r | and the mount |
| 21:02.26 | Fisk3r | some dude i know got 5 mounts |
| 21:02.28 | Fisk3r | THIS YEAR |
| 21:02.29 | Fisk3r | >:E |
| 21:02.40 | Fisk3r | (on the same character btw) |
| 21:02.42 | MoonWitch | wow I've been offered a job as mystery shopper |
| 21:02.43 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 21:02.50 | Ackis | want to shoot ourselves fisker? |
| 21:02.55 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: you can sign up for them |
| 21:02.59 | Ackis | MoonWitch: not much of a mystery anymore |
| 21:03.00 | Fisk3r | brb |
| 21:03.07 | Fisk3r | just gonna get you banned for posting death threats ;( |
| 21:03.14 | MoonWitch | nope -- but that was the LAST type of offer I expected |
| 21:03.16 | Cide | gj revealing your identity |
| 21:03.33 | Cide | I'm charging my lasers |
| 21:03.38 | MoonWitch | Cide : I may be female, but I am not one to enjoy shopping and pampering |
| 21:03.43 | Ackis | hey everyone imma shoot fisker |
| 21:03.50 | Cide | I hear you |
| 21:03.53 | nevcairiel | wth is a mystery shopper |
| 21:03.53 | Cide | being male and all |
| 21:04.00 | MoonWitch | Drop me off at a hardware/gaming store, and we're talking... Drop me off at something else ... no. |
| 21:04.03 | Cide | checking customer satisfaction |
| 21:04.12 | Cide | by anonymously shopping stuff |
| 21:04.14 | Kraps | "Just let me in please |
| 21:04.21 | MoonWitch | mystery shoppers go shopping, evaluate customer service etc and get paid for it |
| 21:04.22 | Kraps | "" |
| 21:04.23 | Cide | hired by the companies in question |
| 21:04.28 | MoonWitch | yep |
| 21:04.31 | nevcairiel | so, like everyone else, just that you officially judge the people afterwards :p |
| 21:04.43 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 21:04.53 | MoonWitch | I wouldn't consider it my dream job |
| 21:04.55 | Kraps | Why wont you let me sign in? |
| 21:04.57 | MoonWitch | at all ... |
| 21:05.01 | Fisk3r | doesn't work here Ackis :( |
| 21:05.13 | Fisk3r | maybe oppers in here aren't just looking for excuses :D |
| 21:05.17 | MoonWitch | it's going to give me nightmares :( |
| 21:07.40 | Kraps | "All well and good but all I want to do is sign in and play My Farmville game now how do I get on." |
| 21:07.44 | Kraps | BAM |
| 21:08.43 | adys_ | punslaps Cide with http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1466 |
| 21:08.55 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~p3lim@200.41.202.84.customer.cdi.no) |
| 21:09.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Gagorian (~k@104-172.turkunet.fi) |
| 21:09.23 | Cide | y |
| 21:09.30 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 21:09.41 | Cide | don't think I'm allowed to dive that deep |
| 21:09.47 | Cide | or I know so rather |
| 21:09.54 | adys_ | punslaps Cide again with http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1459 |
| 21:10.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-86.client.mchsi.com) |
| 21:10.52 | Cide | those are hilarious |
| 21:10.57 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 21:11.13 | Cide | Shirik: http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1461 |
| 21:11.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (~o_o@82.103.139.67) |
| 21:11.44 | foxlit | heh, cho'gall. |
| 21:11.50 | foxlit | On the balance of things, rather well voiced. |
| 21:11.54 | Kraps | Cide: "This thread reminds me of the time my grandfather typed his phone number into the microwave's keypad, then wondered why his kitchen was on fire." |
| 21:12.32 | Cide | Kraps: rofl |
| 21:12.35 | Cide | that page is golden |
| 21:12.46 | Ackis | hey Shirik Fisk3r is ban-evading another channel |
| 21:12.52 | Shirik | kd3 you know wikisyntax |
| 21:12.52 | adys_ | Cide: http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1408 |
| 21:12.58 | Shirik | Why does [[baz]] not link here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/Sandbox2 |
| 21:13.32 | Shirik | It may be as simple as "Links don't work in <pre>" in which case "how do I make a link inside a <pre> block?" |
| 21:13.48 | adys_ | use html links instead or something, iirc |
| 21:13.57 | syrae | damnit |
| 21:14.06 | syrae | I kept reading that as <pee? |
| 21:14.08 | syrae | > |
| 21:14.35 | foxlit | Shirik: don't use <pre> blocks? :) |
| 21:14.36 | zenzelezz | syrae: you see what you want to see |
| 21:15.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p54998360.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:15.27 | industrial | Sometimes I dont feel like downloading whole albums etc and I just want a song. Is there any p2p network that is not bittorrent that doesn't suck like kazaa etc? |
| 21:15.38 | syrae | zenzelezz: yes. I suppose so. |
| 21:15.53 | Shirik | I need them foxlit :( |
| 21:15.57 | adys_ | to those who watched yesterday's mentalist ep |
| 21:15.58 | adys_ | http://i.imgur.com/hTaoV.png |
| 21:15.59 | Shirik | unless you have another idea on how to get the same formatting |
| 21:16.04 | adys_ | epic face |
| 21:16.13 | syrae | industrial: get friends who buy lots of music and then get it from them |
| 21:16.47 | kd3 | because sandbox1 is using <pre>? |
| 21:16.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:16.57 | foxlit | l2wiki, Shirik |
| 21:17.03 | Shirik | but I need that formatting |
| 21:17.09 | foxlit | space-prefixed lines are *parsed*, then placed in a pre block. |
| 21:17.12 | foxlit | <pre> kills everything. |
| 21:17.16 | Shirik | but |
| 21:17.22 | Shirik | it's not really possible to space-prefix |
| 21:17.30 | zenzelezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.40 | Shirik | Because I'm calling it through a template |
| 21:17.50 | foxlit | In that case, you're doomed. Dooomed. DOOOOMED, I say. |
| 21:17.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:17.55 | haste | industrial: you can download single-files from BT, just use a prope client :P ? |
| 21:18.07 | foxlit | Okay, no |
| 21:18.09 | industrial | haste: yeah but im too lazy to find them |
| 21:18.21 | foxlit | Fake it. |
| 21:18.23 | haste | sucks to be you! |
| 21:18.32 | zenzelezz | are there torrent clients that *don't* let you select what files to download still? |
| 21:18.54 | haste | wouldn't surprise me |
| 21:19.03 | foxlit | <div style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap"> |
| 21:19.22 | foxlit | But, honestly, ascii art is a bad idea |
| 21:19.39 | Fisk3r | well zenzelezz |
| 21:19.45 | Fisk3r | maybe he uses the first bittorrent client :3 |
| 21:19.54 | haste | :3 |
| 21:20.26 | adys_ | cide rofl |
| 21:20.27 | adys_ | http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1333 |
| 21:20.46 | Fisk3r | yeah haste |
| 21:21.00 | MoonWitch | oh yes, haste? I've given up on fixing right click in Furbish ... I could get it to accept rightclick on the oldest buff, but not a random one |
| 21:21.06 | Fisk3r | bittorrent/bittornado was probably likely the only client where you couldn't download individual files |
| 21:21.14 | Fisk3r | i think everything after that generally had it :P |
| 21:22.23 | Cide | brb |
| 21:23.12 | haste | MoonWitch: my plan is to rewrite it to use the header really |
| 21:23.32 | MoonWitch | Yeah, I am trying so hard to get that done as well, but it's just weird as hell |
| 21:23.51 | MoonWitch | also I know shit about the xml template methods :P |
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| 21:23.57 | haste | it lookes pretty sane to me :P |
| 21:24.06 | haste | s/es/s/ |
| 21:24.12 | MoonWitch | simple things often elude me |
| 21:24.32 | haste | you just have to create a XML base, which is the "meh" part |
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| 21:25.57 | MoonWitch | Ok, i'll go for it again |
| 21:26.07 | MoonWitch | (thank god I got branching settled though) |
| 21:26.26 | syrae | is still debating who to use for source control hosting |
| 21:26.28 | Ackis | 15:24MoonWitchsimple things often elude me' |
| 21:26.34 | Ackis | of course you're female!!!!!! |
| 21:26.43 | MoonWitch | Ackis, duck -- now... |
| 21:26.46 | syrae | Ackis: DO NOT MAKE ME HURT YOU |
| 21:26.50 | zenzelezz | in that case "simple things" must mean men |
| 21:26.54 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 21:26.58 | haste | I wonder.. |
| 21:27.03 | unfo- | zenzelezz, was about to say the same thing |
| 21:27.04 | haste | ~female Ackis |
| 21:27.06 | Cide | back |
| 21:27.11 | MoonWitch | no but things like simple XML throws me off ... |
| 21:27.12 | haste | damn you purl! |
| 21:27.15 | haste | you should do something witty |
| 21:27.17 | unfo- | <itior> XML is like violence, if it doesn't solve the problem, just use more. |
| 21:27.21 | MoonWitch | throw* |
| 21:27.28 | syrae | haste: witty and pretty and gay? |
| 21:27.30 | zenzelezz | unfo-: lol |
| 21:27.38 | unfo- | zenzelezz, my all-time fav bash.org quote |
| 21:27.40 | haste | syrae: would have worked |
| 21:32.35 | adys_ | Cide, http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1237 |
| 21:33.07 | Cide | that site is awesome |
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| 21:33.56 | Cide | honestly |
| 21:34.01 | Cide | fuck this pulseaudio shit |
| 21:34.01 | KarlKFI | oops: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/how-two-spoonfuls-of-caffeine-killed-a-man/story-fn3dxity-1225945386694 |
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| 21:34.18 | adys_ | welcome to linux Cide, how may I assist you in your PA troubles |
| 21:34.30 | Cide | my sound works half the time |
| 21:34.39 | Cide | the other half I run pulseaudio -k and it sometimes starts working |
| 21:34.41 | foxlit | http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1243 |
| 21:34.48 | Cide | the other half it just removes the sound device from kmix |
| 21:34.52 | Cide | and I get no sound at all |
| 21:34.55 | adys_ | OS/version? |
| 21:35.00 | Cide | fedora 13 |
| 21:35.07 | A-KO | scott pilgrim is a very strange movie......... |
| 21:35.15 | adys_ | kd3, help Cide out, he's using your terribad distro |
| 21:35.17 | Cide | but is it good? |
| 21:35.23 | MoonWitch | KarlKFI: That's how I wanna go ... death by caffeine overdose :) |
| 21:35.26 | zenzelezz | "Speaking outside the court, Mr Bedfords aunt, Sue Burton, said: "I think there should be a warning on it saying it can kill." |
| 21:35.35 | KarlKFI | i'll pass ont he vomiting blood |
| 21:35.42 | MoonWitch | meh, been there |
| 21:35.44 | zenzelezz | I thought "don't take more than 1/16th of a tea spoon" was a warning |
| 21:35.44 | Thunder_Child | adys_: if it isnt FC or RH, it isnt worth it |
| 21:35.47 | Lulia | Hmm, I need a little help with the OnUpdate script. |
| 21:36.05 | adys_ | you're not worth it Thunder_Child |
| 21:36.10 | adys_ | Cide what is good? |
| 21:36.14 | adys_ | PA? its shit |
| 21:36.14 | Lulia | It's definitely going more often than once a second. Even though it shouldn't if I understood correctly. |
| 21:36.22 | adys_ | Cide, what's your sound card? |
| 21:36.33 | Cide | intel hda, realtek... |
| 21:36.35 | Cide | checking version |
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| 21:37.07 | adys_ | Cide, no usb headphones or w/e? |
| 21:37.34 | Cide | using realtek alc1200 as codec |
| 21:37.50 | adys_ | install pavucontrol, it helps out a lot when debugging this sort of stuff |
| 21:37.58 | Lulia | If I make a local Countdown = 1; frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) if Countdown<=0 then --[[stuff]] Countdown = Countdown + 1 end end) |
| 21:37.59 | Cide | no, my headphones are connected via the surround inputs |
| 21:38.09 | Cide | I have pavucontrol |
| 21:38.10 | Lulia | That should only do --[[stuff]] once a second, correct? |
| 21:38.22 | Lulia | oops |
| 21:38.23 | adys_ | other than that, i dont see why PA would just remove the device unless it lost it |
| 21:38.28 | Lulia | Countdown = Countdown - elapsed; |
| 21:38.42 | Cide | well I have two audio devices |
| 21:38.44 | Lulia | Put that in between function(self, elapsed) and if Countdown <= 0 then |
| 21:38.48 | Cide | after I did pulseaudio -k it now just shows one |
| 21:38.57 | adys_ | Lulia, pastebin the whole thing please |
| 21:39.09 | Cide | the other audio device being the hdmi audio from my graphics card |
| 21:39.18 | adys_ | Cide, try killall -9 pulseaudio until it shows No such process |
| 21:39.37 | adys_ | then invoke an app that auto-starts PA (like vlc or aplay) until it plays sound |
| 21:39.54 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2741/ |
| 21:39.54 | Cide | I've tried that like 15 times |
| 21:39.55 | adys_ | then start pavucontrol, check out which devices are avail |
| 21:40.23 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:40.28 | Cide | something seems to be autostarting it |
| 21:40.37 | adys_ | Cide, yeah thats normal |
| 21:40.42 | adys_ | normal-ish that is |
| 21:40.55 | Cide | well whenever it finds my audio device it usually works fine |
| 21:40.58 | adys_ | its distro shitty workarounds to make sure users always have sound |
| 21:41.12 | Cide | it's when it disappears that I lose sound |
| 21:41.15 | adys_ | got screenshots or sth? im not sure what you mean by losing audio device |
| 21:41.21 | Cide | well it's no longer listed |
| 21:41.24 | brandonjviles | i was wondering, If i buy the wowprogramming book, will is still be really helpful since it hasnt been updated since 3.2 |
| 21:41.32 | Cide | on boot I have internal audio device or whatever its name is |
| 21:41.37 | Cide | now it just lists my hdmi audio |
| 21:41.46 | Cide | it's removed from kmix, pavucontrol, you name it |
| 21:41.59 | Lulia | How much is the wowprogramming book? |
| 21:42.07 | Cide | too little for the effort |
| 21:42.14 | brandonjviles | $40 bucks i think |
| 21:42.21 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 21:42.28 | Cide | I'm a technical editor for it |
| 21:42.34 | adys_ | brandonjviles, iirc jnwhiteh was working on an updated version of the book? |
| 21:42.39 | Cide | so instant quality seal right there |
| 21:42.45 | Cide | it's already out? |
| 21:42.46 | brandonjviles | 31 on amazon |
| 21:42.52 | Cide | revision 2 |
| 21:43.13 | brandonjviles | when is revision 2 is updated for 4.0? |
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| 21:43.30 | adys_ | Cide, hm |
| 21:43.35 | Cide | I don't think it will be, jnwhiteh said |
| 21:43.36 | brandonjviles | eh, delete when* |
| 21:43.39 | Cide | because the changes are minor |
| 21:43.45 | adys_ | do you know the linux module for the driver? |
| 21:43.49 | adys_ | snd_*** |
| 21:43.53 | Cide | snd_hda_intel |
| 21:43.58 | Cide | iirc |
| 21:44.09 | adys_ | try rming it and probing it again |
| 21:44.17 | Sintacks | http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7451/wowscrnshot102810220246.jpg |
| 21:44.19 | Cide | that sounds scary |
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| 21:44.20 | Sintacks | who likes my mess? |
| 21:44.33 | Cide | nobody |
| 21:44.40 | kneeki | Sintacks: ... wow |
| 21:45.03 | Sintacks | >.> |
| 21:45.25 | Cide | adys_: what's that do? |
| 21:45.31 | industrial | why do you even need all those debuffs... why not only the ones that like.. matter to you personally.. |
| 21:45.34 | Sixen | Sintacks. That's a pretty clever name. |
| 21:45.37 | industrial | and 3 chatframes |
| 21:45.49 | syrae | Sintacks: what's that bit that shows raid position and healer coverage? |
| 21:45.50 | Sintacks | I like my 3 chat frames. |
| 21:45.55 | Mirrormn | a) go down to one chat frame |
| 21:45.56 | Sintacks | the buffs, was a test |
| 21:45.59 | syrae | I have 3 chat frames, too |
| 21:46.06 | kneeki | I use 2 chat frames myself... |
| 21:46.08 | Mirrormn | b) *at least* reduce the size of the buff frames |
| 21:46.09 | adys_ | Cide, it should at least make sure the module is properly started |
| 21:46.11 | Sintacks | HudMap, syrae |
| 21:46.12 | industrial | I have 1 \o/ |
| 21:46.15 | adys_ | which could be the issue |
| 21:46.17 | syrae | Sintacks: thanks |
| 21:46.19 | Sintacks | Going to, Mirrormn |
| 21:46.20 | adys_ | other than that ive no idea |
| 21:46.30 | Mirrormn | c) get the raid group out of the middle of your screen -.- |
| 21:46.33 | Sintacks | I know the buff frames are bad. That was a test. and it failed. |
| 21:46.41 | Sintacks | and i'm working on raid frame placement |
| 21:46.54 | Sintacks | it'll be moved more left with rescaled buffs |
| 21:47.00 | Mirrormn | d) it looks like you have 2 separate floating combat text displays |
| 21:47.09 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:47.13 | Cide | adys_: lspci still shows both |
| 21:47.15 | Sintacks | no on d |
| 21:47.25 | Sintacks | it's all mSBT |
| 21:47.28 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: unless you are raidleader, as a rogue you should care about nothing other than you |
| 21:47.39 | Sintacks | to an extent, yes, Thunder_Child |
| 21:47.42 | Mirrormn | oh, it must be crits overwritten on normal hits on the right side |
| 21:47.48 | Thunder_Child | and then. only things you can control |
| 21:47.51 | Sintacks | right, Mirrormn |
| 21:47.53 | adys_ | Cide, no idea then sorry |
| 21:48.17 | Sintacks | my UI is like, 50% configured |
| 21:48.18 | Mirrormn | e) I don't see why you'd need a (whatever)Bar on bot the top and bottom of your screen |
| 21:48.20 | Sintacks | dbm hasnt' been touched. |
| 21:48.25 | Sintacks | mSBT hasnt' be fixed |
| 21:48.31 | Sintacks | buff frames are... way of |
| 21:48.32 | Sintacks | off* |
| 21:49.08 | Mirrormn | f) I really doubt you need a "tanks and targets" frame at all |
| 21:49.22 | Sintacks | makes it easier to mouse over Tricks |
| 21:49.34 | Mirrormn | hmm, I guess that's fair |
| 21:49.35 | Sintacks | MT targets, maybe not |
| 21:49.53 | Sintacks | but, again, easy to target the tanks target in a trash pull without having to target the tank first |
| 21:50.14 | Mirrormn | g) reduce the number of buttons on your action bar by offloading most of them using oPie |
| 21:50.22 | Sintacks | i don't like oPie |
| 21:50.28 | Mirrormn | too bad |
| 21:50.31 | Mirrormn | you're required to use it |
| 21:50.39 | Sintacks | and i've reduced my action bar usage by 12 buttons since 4.0.1 |
| 21:50.44 | adys_ | Cide, http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1146 |
| 21:50.48 | adys_ | seen it before but still funny |
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| 21:51.08 | Mirrormn | h) install WeakAuras cause I wrote it |
| 21:51.18 | Sintacks | curse or wowi ? |
| 21:51.24 | Fisk3r | weak Mirrormn |
| 21:51.27 | Fisk3r | what is it btw? |
| 21:51.36 | Mirrormn | powerauras replacement, basically |
| 21:51.51 | Sintacks | I don't use power auras |
| 21:51.52 | Fisk3r | powerauras the addon or powerauras the blizzard adaptation+ |
| 21:51.53 | Fisk3r | ? |
| 21:51.59 | p3lim | got some issues with jQuery's .load and .append, anyone able to help? |
| 21:52.08 | Mirrormn | the first, and soon, the second |
| 21:52.52 | foxlit | "Sintacks: i don't like oPie" << with a UI like that, OPie does not like you either. :) |
| 21:53.13 | Sintacks | No examples, Mirrormn? :( |
| 21:53.13 | Fisk3r | haters gonna hate foxlit |
| 21:53.14 | Mirrormn | you can already use the new cataclysm textures, but they are not automatically defined... yet |
| 21:53.20 | Sintacks | lol foxlit |
| 21:53.31 | Mirrormn | "There will eventually be a user guide and tutorials - they're just not finished yet." |
| 21:53.46 | Sintacks | but i'll give it a try |
| 21:53.49 | Sintacks | for a minute at least |
| 21:53.56 | Sintacks | but i doubt it will replace RoguePowerBars |
| 21:54.21 | Sintacks | unless i can make the icons left align which they won't change in RoguePowerBars cuz they're bastards |
| 21:54.33 | Tuller | wafflebacon |
| 21:54.46 | Sintacks | ohai Tuller |
| 21:54.49 | Dajova | mm, my favorite! |
| 21:54.49 | Mirrormn | left align? |
| 21:54.57 | Sintacks | left align icons* |
| 21:55.10 | Mirrormn | as in, the icon appears on the left side of the bar? |
| 21:55.14 | Sintacks | yes |
| 21:55.25 | Sintacks | though, my issue is right aligned now that i look at it |
| 21:55.36 | Mirrormn | I'm looking at a screenshot of RoguePowerBars right now and the icons are left-aligned... |
| 21:55.41 | Sintacks | I want my buff bar for RoguePowerBars icons on the right, not the left |
| 21:55.48 | Sintacks | yeah... i was backwards >.> |
| 21:55.55 | Sintacks | speaking without looking first is like cutting without mesuring |
| 21:56.02 | Sintacks | i also fail at spelling and typing |
| 21:56.08 | Mirrormn | well, you're in luck, cause WeakAuras' bars are all have right-aligned icons and you can't change them! |
| 21:56.15 | Sintacks | i'll try it |
| 21:56.23 | Sintacks | already installed and about to restart WoWo |
| 21:56.27 | adys_ | Cide ahah |
| 21:56.27 | Sintacks | -o |
| 21:56.32 | adys_ | i laughed too much at this one: http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/1094 |
| 21:56.33 | Dajova | yeah, WeakAuras is pretty nice |
| 21:56.55 | Dajova | its a bit harder to understand than PAC, but its nicer |
| 21:57.09 | Mirrormn | harder to understand in what way? |
| 21:57.10 | Sintacks | o cam |
| 21:57.19 | Sintacks | I can't think of a single addon Tuller made ... |
| 21:57.32 | Sintacks | at least not names ofthem |
| 21:57.32 | Tuller | all of them |
| 21:57.38 | Dajova | well, i had to ask in their forums how to make it detect my temporary pets :P |
| 21:57.40 | Sintacks | I use quite a few, but can't think of names |
| 21:57.54 | Mirrormn | "their" ^_^ |
| 21:57.56 | Lulia | Oh hey, Tuller |
| 21:58.18 | Sintacks | I wish Cirk would come back and update his addons. :| |
| 21:58.23 | Lulia | Trying to put numerical CDs on my Rune frame sans OmniCC is turning out to be a challenge ;) |
| 21:59.04 | Lulia | So this is odd... |
| 21:59.07 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2742/ |
| 21:59.11 | Lulia | j is never equal to 1 |
| 21:59.37 | Sintacks | ohh. bagnon |
| 21:59.38 | Lulia | in fact, it starts at 11. And by the time I use an Icy Touch it's up to 53 |
| 21:59.42 | Sintacks | and omnicc |
| 21:59.47 | Sintacks | is a ra-tard |
| 21:59.57 | Mirrormn | hehehe the number j ^_^ |
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| 22:00.02 | Lulia | lol |
| 22:00.03 | Lulia | ;) |
| 22:00.14 | Lulia | Day9 would be proud. |
| 22:00.18 | Lulia | But in all seriousness! |
| 22:00.28 | Lulia | It doesn't make any sense to me |
| 22:00.34 | Lulia | j should never equal more than 6 |
| 22:00.43 | Lulia | and it should start with 1 |
| 22:01.30 | foxlit | ... |
| 22:01.35 | foxlit | There is a very simple explanation |
| 22:01.46 | Lulia | >.> |
| 22:01.51 | Lulia | Let me look again then |
| 22:01.51 | foxlit | Hint: you're not actually looking at j |
| 22:01.54 | Lulia | oh |
| 22:01.58 | Lulia | That's right |
| 22:02.10 | Lulia | ugh |
| 22:02.45 | Lulia | Okay, hmm |
| 22:03.06 | Cide | adys_: shows up in alsamixer too.. |
| 22:03.32 | Tuller | you're also creating an update timer for each rune, but using a shared throttle variable |
| 22:03.36 | adys_ | shrug |
| 22:03.37 | Tuller | (Countdown) |
| 22:03.52 | Lulia | Tuller: What? |
| 22:04.13 | Lulia | Oh |
| 22:04.36 | Lulia | Hmm, yes, those are both challenges. I'll have to rethink this. |
| 22:05.25 | Lulia | So to tackle problem #2, you're saying I need to have a separate Countdown variable for each rune? |
| 22:05.39 | Sintacks | Mirrormn, your config UI is ... odd |
| 22:07.03 | Cide | adys_: more info |
| 22:07.18 | Cide | so I did lsof /dev and it showed up with chrome using /dev/snd/card0 |
| 22:07.25 | Cide | I killed the process and the device showed back up |
| 22:07.35 | Cide | so now sound works in kde but not in spotify -_- |
| 22:07.52 | adys_ | chrome doesn't hog sound; maybe npviewer.bin? |
| 22:07.56 | Tuller | Lulia well right now, each onupdate will alter the variable |
| 22:08.03 | Cide | well it listed the chrome process |
| 22:08.12 | adys_ | yeah that would be for all chrome subprocs |
| 22:08.18 | Tuller | so things may update more/less frequently than you want |
| 22:08.19 | Mirrormn | what do you mean by "odd", Sintacks |
| 22:08.20 | adys_ | Cide, you can try killing kdm/gdm and restarting PA from a tty |
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| 22:08.27 | adys_ | then starting kdm again see what works |
| 22:08.55 | Cide | well it works in kde now |
| 22:09.02 | Cide | just not in spotify |
| 22:09.23 | Cide | and now it suddenly does |
| 22:09.27 | Cide | this is so strange |
| 22:09.39 | Lulia | Hmm, that makes sense given the problems I was having, Tuller. |
| 22:09.53 | Sintacks | just looks odd at first, Mirrormn |
| 22:10.00 | Sintacks | I figured it out, mostly... i think |
| 22:10.28 | Lulia | So really the OnUpdate needs to happen outside of the for loop. |
| 22:10.29 | Sintacks | is there a default texture setting so you don't have to change the texture on each thing you make? |
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| 22:10.56 | Mirrormn | you mean, can you change what texture it uses by default? |
| 22:10.57 | Mirrormn | no |
| 22:11.18 | Sintacks | Should add that. =p |
| 22:11.23 | MoonWitch | Sintacks replace UI-StatusBar.tga |
| 22:11.39 | MoonWitch | all statusbars (but nameplates) will be that texture |
| 22:11.57 | Sintacks | that would have been nice to know a while ago |
| 22:12.17 | MoonWitch | you asked like 1 min ago >.< |
| 22:12.21 | Sintacks | I know |
| 22:12.32 | Sintacks | i meant, it would have been nice to know about 2 weeks ago >.> |
| 22:12.36 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 22:14.27 | Sintacks | Mirrormn, does it support the same weapon enchant proc on two weapons? |
| 22:14.50 | Mirrormn | weapon enchants are currently unspoorted due to poor API support :( |
| 22:14.56 | Mirrormn | *unsupported |
| 22:15.09 | Sintacks | that's 1 against then <.< |
| 22:15.22 | Sintacks | I might use it for other things than bars then |
| 22:15.23 | Mirrormn | what proc are you talking about? |
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| 22:15.30 | Sintacks | Lightning Speed or Berserking |
| 22:15.50 | Sintacks | shows the proc if I've got it, but only one even if i've got both proced at once |
| 22:15.51 | Mirrormn | well, those are actually auras |
| 22:16.12 | Sintacks | true. auras that proc... |
| 22:16.20 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure how they stack, though |
| 22:16.24 | Sintacks | technical terms are going to be fun in here. |
| 22:16.31 | Mirrormn | when you get 2 procs at once, are there 2 separate auras on you? |
| 22:16.31 | Sintacks | I understand that. |
| 22:16.39 | Sintacks | It's hard to configure in PowerAuras too |
| 22:16.51 | Mirrormn | or is it a single aura with 2 stacks? |
| 22:17.01 | Sintacks | two auras with the same name |
| 22:17.09 | Mirrormn | that's not supported |
| 22:17.14 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 22:17.21 | Mirrormn | and I doubt it will ever be |
| 22:17.35 | Mirrormn | catching than would require a complete rewrite of the core |
| 22:17.45 | Mirrormn | and sacrificing lots of CPU efficiency |
| 22:17.52 | Mirrormn | *catching that |
| 22:18.07 | Sintacks | i should lrn2read |
| 22:18.09 | Mirrormn | although... |
| 22:18.15 | Sintacks | was clicking the x to get rid of it... and it didn't do anything |
| 22:18.23 | Sintacks | didn't see the "Shift must be held" bit |
| 22:18.29 | Mirrormn | there might be a way to hack it, actually |
| 22:19.04 | Mirrormn | if you did it using a combat log event trigger... |
| 22:19.39 | Mirrormn | mm, you would probably need Custom trigger functionality for that |
| 22:20.02 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/assume-the-position-tsa-begins-new-ball-busting-patdowns.ars |
| 22:20.15 | cbreak | and my coworkers wonder why I don't want to travel to the US |
| 22:21.09 | Mirrormn | I love how they use the term "nut-busting" in the headline |
| 22:21.15 | Mirrormn | that's some fine sensationlist journalism |
| 22:21.44 | Sintacks | Mirrormn: Icon. Cooldown for ability. (since you are lacking a how-to) how to make icon show, when ability is ready, and not on CD |
| 22:21.46 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 22:21.51 | adys_ | Shirik, http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/817 |
| 22:22.01 | Mirrormn | Action Usable trigger |
| 22:22.21 | Mirrormn | or you could use a Cooldown Progress trigger and set the Inverse option, although that's almost the same thing |
| 22:22.32 | Sintacks | osht. Require Valid Target. i like. |
| 22:22.33 | Lulia | Alright, this one doesn't try to copy a reference to get its number, and Countdown is outside of the for loop and using separate numbers for each rune. At least, it should be. |
| 22:22.59 | Lulia | It's working a bit better, but still going slightly faster than it should be going, and screws up on multiple runes pretty quick. |
| 22:23.01 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2743/ |
| 22:26.22 | adys_ | Cide, http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/832 i love this guy |
| 22:26.26 | Lulia | What's really odd is that it reaches 0 |
| 22:26.41 | Lulia | But then counts down from 9 to 0 again a few seconds before it finishes |
| 22:27.14 | MoonWitch | we should organize an orgy |
| 22:27.26 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-0s5eirEbo < awesome |
| 22:27.52 | Cide | dare I say orgynize |
| 22:28.02 | MoonWitch | also : Is there a way I can get a list of possible attributes (in the xml) for SecureActionButtonTemplate and SecureAuraHeaderTemplate? |
| 22:28.17 | MoonWitch | Cide, of course |
| 22:28.39 | foxlit | Sure, read the securetemplates code. |
| 22:28.53 | foxlit | There's also a summary pdf somewhere. But hey, code *is* docs. :) |
| 22:29.00 | Lulia | Well, apparently my runes proc RUNE_POWER_UPDATE more than once for the if not runeReady then condition, which is odd. |
| 22:29.16 | MoonWitch | been going over the code, I'm missing it I think... Meh, i'll find it.. |
| 22:30.03 | Sintacks | oh fun. a bug to report for Mirror|KFA |
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| 22:31.29 | Lulia | Ah ha, I found what was causing the problem |
| 22:31.52 | Lulia | When a rune goes on cooldown, both "RUNE_TYPE_UPDATE" and "RUNE_POWER_UPDATE" proc |
| 22:31.59 | Lulia | So I cant use those in an or statement |
| 22:32.57 | kneeki | So is the whole arena items requiring a rating but not really requiring a rating going to be fixed? |
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| 22:34.05 | foxlit | When they have an actual client patch. |
| 22:34.13 | foxlit | It's a display issue, and a relatively meh-priority one at that. |
| 22:34.39 | kneeki | Ah cool, so your supposed to be able to use everything? |
| 22:35.51 | foxlit | Most things. It's only the very-high-end weapons, I think, that'll still stop you if you don't have the rating |
| 22:35.58 | kneeki | ah cool |
| 22:37.33 | MoonWitch | yo foxlit .... I am starting to like you more and more .. thanks for the subtle hint to read better :) |
| 22:37.56 | MoonWitch | 5 lines did explain a good deal |
| 22:38.36 | zenzelezz | if you need less subtle hints about reading better, talk to Cide |
| 22:39.50 | MoonWitch | Cide can do it too ... occasionally my drive and willpower (and ability to even get past the little things) just fade.. a kick in the shins be it subtle/gentle or harsh usually does the trick |
| 22:40.03 | MoonWitch | though when PMSing, Cide might not offer the best solution :P |
| 22:41.11 | MoonWitch | haste : as far as I can see - for how you set up Furbish you can do most of the skinning with a template >.< |
| 22:42.48 | Cide | I always offer the best solution |
| 22:42.51 | Cide | what are you talking about |
| 22:43.28 | MoonWitch | when I am pmsing, I take "not so subtle advice" quite badly :P |
| 22:43.37 | MoonWitch | as in, I've assaulted someone once before |
| 22:44.52 | Cide | well that's no good |
| 22:44.52 | A-KO | According to Stawczyk - whose clients, she says, include young dancers from the Joffrey Ballet School - girls should start waxing about 6, because the "virgin hairs are so fine that the roots can be removed permanently." Starting young, she adds, saves devoted waxers upward of $3,000 a year. |
| 22:44.56 | A-KO | That's fucking disturbing |
| 22:45.13 | Cide | kinda smart imo? |
| 22:45.19 | A-KO | smart? |
| 22:45.23 | Cide | sure |
| 22:45.26 | A-KO | pubic waxing a 6 year old? |
| 22:45.37 | Cide | well if you want to save money? |
| 22:45.56 | Cide | obviously it has to be your own decision |
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| 22:46.20 | Cide | but some women do laser treatments later on in life instead so not sure which is better |
| 22:46.27 | Cide | laser treatments sure are more expensive |
| 22:46.48 | Cide | if it's true, of course |
| 22:46.50 | Lulia | Hmm, I'm guessing I want to create a separate frame for each timer... |
| 22:49.51 | MoonWitch | Well, friend of mine is ballet dancer - they often use some form of tape to make sure their tutus don't wiggle in between .. so after a few years, they're pretty much completely bald in their pubic regions (assuming they use the tape every time of course). |
| 22:50.22 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 22:51.53 | MoonWitch | Cide, laser is not just expensive, it's about the same as breast implants |
| 22:52.39 | MoonWitch | i'll drop weird topics now |
| 22:52.47 | zenzelezz | bald just from tape? That sounds unpleasant |
| 22:52.57 | zenzelezz | not that shaving sounds any more comfortable |
| 22:53.57 | MoonWitch | if they use medical tape - used to fixate (partially) .. believe me, you'll be bald soon |
| 22:54.08 | MoonWitch | it's excruciating pain |
| 22:54.20 | MoonWitch | (had my wrist taped in once) |
| 22:54.38 | A-KO | yes, yes it is |
| 22:56.02 | MoonWitch | had a taped wrist/ankle once too then A-KO |
| 22:56.08 | MoonWitch | ? |
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| 22:59.13 | A-KO | nah, had uhm.....oh, they taped up an IV when I had it |
| 22:59.20 | A-KO | it's like that weird sticky white tape |
| 22:59.24 | A-KO | ... |
| 23:04.54 | Lulia | There's something about this timer that I don't quite understand apparently. :-/ |
| 23:05.29 | Lulia | It works the first time around and then progressively speeds up |
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| 23:05.37 | Lunessa | station |
| 23:06.21 | Lulia | ? |
| 23:06.48 | foxlit | Wait, if you leave it running, does it eventually go faster than light? |
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| 23:07.42 | Lulia | I dunno, I havent tried ;) |
| 23:07.52 | Lulia | I imagine it would crash my computer first |
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| 23:08.33 | Lulia | Actually, it only increases in speed as I put another rune on CD |
| 23:08.39 | Lulia | So right now it's ticking once per second |
| 23:09.05 | Lulia | But if I use another rune (even though the first CD has already expired) it will go a little faster. |
| 23:09.13 | Lulia | And the more runes I go the faster it goes. |
| 23:09.33 | Lulia | I imagine this has something to do with Tuller's earlier comments about needing multiple countdowns for each rune |
| 23:09.40 | mikma | so, how can i add editbox:GetText() into table with table.insert(table ... ? |
| 23:09.41 | Lulia | I -thought- I had solved that, apparently not. |
| 23:09.49 | mikma | table.insert(dropdown,note=editbox:GetText()) -> Message: Interface\AddOns\Duh\Duh.lua:544: ')' expected near '=' |
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| 23:10.51 | MoonWitch | now this be a tune : Alice Cooper - Poison :D |
| 23:11.26 | Lulia | I believe it doubles in speed with each new rune on CD |
| 23:11.31 | Lulia | So first it ticks every second |
| 23:11.36 | Lulia | Then every half a second |
| 23:11.41 | Lulia | Then every quarter of a second |
| 23:14.10 | Jerub | i think i just downloaded cataclysm |
| 23:14.12 | Jerub | but i don't know! |
| 23:14.36 | kd3 | hm; it's interesting watching the balancing thread play out today |
| 23:15.30 | Jerub | kd3: the 'omg tanks are all the same' one? |
| 23:15.55 | Mirrormn | not seiege tanks! |
| 23:15.57 | Mirrormn | bwaaaaah |
| 23:16.00 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27397548532&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 23:16.22 | Jerub | okay, so i'm looking at a new video card. |
| 23:16.35 | Mirrormn | I'm looking at an old video card :( |
| 23:16.37 | Jerub | where's a website that gives me a graph showing how awesome a GTX 480 is vs. a GTX 460 |
| 23:17.00 | Jerub | preferably with units like 'less awesome', 'awesome' and 'slightly more awesome' |
| 23:17.00 | Mirrormn | anandtech and tomshardware both have GPU comparison apps, I think |
| 23:17.48 | Mirrormn | http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU/88 |
| 23:18.43 | Lulia | lua>a=1; function copyvalue(a) return a; end j = copyvalue(a); i = a; print("i: "..i.." | j: "..j); j = 2; print("a1: "..a); i = 4; print("a2: "..a); |
| 23:18.43 | lua_bot | Lulia: i: 1 | j: 1, a1: 1, a2: 1 |
| 23:19.03 | Jerub | so 'awesome' and 'just a little more awesome' is my answer |
| 23:19.04 | Jerub | ty! |
| 23:19.23 | Mirrormn | it seems like "awesome" and "a fair amount more awesome" to me |
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| 23:19.53 | Gagorian | Jerub: Personally I'd buy a AMD 6850 for a good performance per price value |
| 23:19.59 | Jerub | Mirrormn: factor in that i already know that the price of the 'a fair amount more awesome' is twice as much as the 'awesome' one |
| 23:20.04 | Gagorian | If you're looking for a midrange card |
| 23:20.21 | Mirrormn | gtx460 is a better value than amd 6850 right now, I'd say |
| 23:20.25 | Jerub | Gagorian: that's half way between them |
| 23:20.52 | Mirrormn | I'm pretty sure 6850 is worse than gtx460... |
| 23:21.05 | Lulia | lua>a=1; function copyvalue(a) return a; end j = copyvalue(a); print(j: "..j); a = 4; print("j2: "..j); j=a; print("j3: "..j); a = 6; print("j4: "..j); |
| 23:21.05 | lua_bot | Lulia: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near '"..j); a = 4; print("' |
| 23:21.07 | Gagorian | It's not |
| 23:21.24 | Lulia | lua>a=1; function copyvalue(a) return a; end j = copyvalue(a); print("j: "..j); a = 4; print("j2: "..j); j=a; print("j3: "..j); a = 6; print("j4: "..j); |
| 23:21.25 | lua_bot | Lulia: j: 1, j2: 1, j3: 4, j4: 4 |
| 23:21.56 | Lulia | Shouldn't j4 equal 6? |
| 23:22.12 | Cide | no? |
| 23:22.19 | Jerub | oooh, i was looking at SLI |
| 23:22.21 | Lulia | But I thought j was a reference of a? |
| 23:22.28 | Cide | no |
| 23:22.32 | Jerub | Mirrormn: it looks like it's much better than the 480,, look at the figures |
| 23:22.38 | Lulia | Okay... hmm |
| 23:22.38 | Jerub | but um. I hear bad things about ATI |
| 23:22.39 | Cide | references only come into place when dealing with tables |
| 23:22.41 | Gagorian | http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/10/21/amd_radeon_hd_6870_6850_video_card_review/9 |
| 23:22.43 | Jerub | they kill puppies and such |
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| 23:22.52 | Lulia | Alright |
| 23:23.19 | Cide | and just returning a value doesn't "copy a reference" |
| 23:23.26 | Mirrormn | I was under the impression that the 6800 line was essentially an update of the 5700 line |
| 23:23.38 | Lulia | lua> for i=1,10 do j=i; print(j); end |
| 23:23.39 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 23:23.56 | Cide | read programming in lua, really |
| 23:24.03 | Mirrormn | and generally a 6xyz is significantly slower than a 5xyz |
| 23:24.16 | Lulia | Apparently I'm going to need to, because I've still got holes. |
| 23:24.18 | Lulia | Oh, wait |
| 23:24.26 | Lulia | lua> for i=1,10 do local j=i; print(j); end |
| 23:24.27 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 23:24.28 | Cide | that's what she said |
| 23:24.28 | Jerub | oh, there's this CF thing |
| 23:24.29 | Jerub | interesting |
| 23:24.38 | Jerub | video cards are hard, i'm going to go get bacon and eggs |
| 23:24.56 | Cide | in fact |
| 23:25.04 | Cide | if you're coming from a c++ background |
| 23:25.06 | Cide | or c |
| 23:25.18 | Cide | think "all values are passed by value" |
| 23:25.29 | Cide | and tables are pointers |
| 23:25.41 | Gagorian | Mirrormn: 6870 is between 5850 and 5870 in performance, and 6850 is between 5770 and 5850 |
| 23:25.47 | Lulia | lua> for i=1,10 do local j=i; local a=j; j=4 print(a); end |
| 23:25.47 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 23:25.51 | Mirrormn | this link have provided seems to indicate that the 6800 line is considerably better than I was told by anandtech |
| 23:25.56 | Mirrormn | *you have |
| 23:26.02 | Lulia | That would make sense to me, Cide. |
| 23:26.19 | Lulia | However, I had problems with j earlier in a for loop where j=i |
| 23:26.27 | Lulia | And for some reason was never the value of i. |
| 23:26.36 | Lulia | Even though i isn't a table |
| 23:26.38 | Cide | then you either misunderstood or did something arcane |
| 23:26.50 | Mirrormn | or you messed up the scoping somehow |
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| 23:26.58 | Cide | tables are the only mutable object in lua |
| 23:27.10 | Cide | objects |
| 23:27.21 | Gagorian | Mirrormn: Anandtech's results were slightly lower yes, I guess it depends on what benchmarks you use.. and Anandtech also included a highly overclocked GTX 460 in the comparison which should obviously be compared to overclocked 68xx cards |
| 23:27.24 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 23:27.39 | Cide | you cannot create a reference to an integer for isntance |
| 23:27.58 | Mirrormn | you can if you wrap it in a table! |
| 23:28.15 | Mirrormn | that makes me super excited for some reason! |
| 23:28.21 | Gagorian | Mirrormn: But I guess the final thing that settled it for me was that the ati cards consume a lot of less power |
| 23:28.22 | Nexiuz | hehe |
| 23:28.35 | Mirrormn | yes, that is true |
| 23:28.41 | Mirrormn | focus of the 6800 line was efficiency |
| 23:28.50 | Mirrormn | and they certainly seem to have succeeded in that regard |
| 23:28.54 | Cide | but if you set a variable to a table and another to that variable then they both point to the same table |
| 23:28.59 | Cide | and modifying one will modify the other |
| 23:29.06 | Gagorian | Plus superior display connections with 2 DVI, DisplayPort 1.2 and HDMI 1.4 |
| 23:29.22 | Gagorian | So I'm going to pick up a 6850 tomorrow |
| 23:29.24 | Mirrormn | well I don't have any displayport or hdmi 1.4 displays |
| 23:30.07 | Lulia | lua>t={};a=2;t.i=a;a=4;print(t.i); |
| 23:30.07 | lua_bot | Lulia: 2 |
| 23:30.11 | Gagorian | Yeah, display port monitors will be coming out mostly next year I believe |
| 23:30.18 | Nexiuz | In lua everything is passed by value except for tables, thats passed by reference. But if you copy a reference, it will only copy the reference to the table, not making a new one yea |
| 23:30.34 | Mirrormn | I'm still not convinced that the 6850 is better than the gtx460 |
| 23:30.36 | Lunessa | is considering a Crossfire set up since he has a mobo built for it. |
| 23:30.45 | Mirrormn | and you can get a gtx460 for like $160 |
| 23:31.06 | Lulia | lua>t={};a=t;a.name="Cide";print(t.name); |
| 23:31.06 | lua_bot | Lulia: Cide |
| 23:31.16 | Lulia | See, that all makes sense to me. |
| 23:31.28 | Lulia | I understand that, and yet I'm still having problems with this script. |
| 23:31.52 | Mirrormn | I'm betting it is a problem with closures |
| 23:32.10 | Lulia | What do you mean by that? |
| 23:33.30 | Gagorian | Mirrormn: Yeah, I believe 6850's are slightly more expensive at $179. You'll get that back in a few months on your electric bill :) |
| 23:33.36 | Mirrormn | when a function is defined, it takes a "snapshot" of the local variables available to it and creates a closure |
| 23:33.50 | Cide | why don't you look at the code before you predict and confuse? |
| 23:34.02 | Mirrormn | yeah that's probably a better idea |
| 23:34.17 | Mirrormn | honestly I'm not entirely sure I fully understand closures anyway |
| 23:34.22 | Gagorian | But mainly it's a matter of preference I guess, I read 10-15 reviews and settled on this on |
| 23:34.24 | Gagorian | *one |
| 23:34.36 | Lulia | http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html |
| 23:34.38 | Lulia | reading, brb |
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| 23:35.28 | Nexiuz | hmmm, is 4.0.3 pushed to the clients sinds today? |
| 23:35.37 | Nexiuz | got an 680mb patch |
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| 23:39.16 | Napoleone | I just preordered cataclysm download ;P |
| 23:39.28 | foxlit | I ordered a collectors edition :) |
| 23:39.50 | Lunessa | I'm going to stand in line at the store like a noob. |
| 23:39.53 | foxlit | Can't imagine playing cataclysm during the night anyway. Nights are for sleeping. |
| 23:40.02 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:40.18 | Napoleone | it was cheaper for me to upgrade it thorugh blizzard than getting it on the day |
| 23:41.25 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I get off work about the time they're having those things. I'm tempted to go by and heckle. |
| 23:41.33 | Mirrormn | nights are for realm firsts |
| 23:41.35 | Mirrormn | k |
| 23:41.39 | Lunessa | foxlit We're mad here, but we're not completely out of the realm of the rational |
| 23:41.48 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 23:42.02 | Napoleone | anyone wanna help me with item info retrieveal. |
| 23:42.03 | Lunessa | Dagmar: WotLK had some nice hotties in line locally. |
| 23:42.32 | Lunessa | Too bad they were all in the age-range to think of me as "their dad". |
| 23:42.35 | Cide | maybe you can get some expansion pack get-together semi-anually? |
| 23:43.01 | Cide | I can bring some swedish women |
| 23:43.02 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Not necessarily a bad thing |
| 23:43.53 | Lulia | lua>function newClosure() local i=1; return function() i = i*2; return i; end end c1=newClosure(); c2=newClosure();print(c1);print(c1);print(c2); |
| 23:43.54 | lua_bot | Lulia: function: 0x8546f10, function: 0x8546f10, function: 0x8546f50 |
| 23:44.00 | Lunessa | Cide Nice. Bring several. I have 'appetities' |
| 23:44.30 | Cide | what... size... do you prefer? |
| 23:44.45 | Dagmar | Appetitties? |
| 23:44.47 | Lunessa | LOL. They're all good. |
| 23:45.02 | Dagmar | That's what I figured. :) |
| 23:45.15 | Lunessa | Dagmar it was a victorian euphemism for sexual desires. |
| 23:45.42 | Lulia | lua> function newCounter () local i = 0 return function () i = i + 1; return i; end end c1 = newCounter(); print(c1()); print(c1()); |
| 23:45.42 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1, 2 |
| 23:46.16 | Seerah | Lulia: the bot responds to PMs, if you wish to pick its brain quite a bit :) |
| 23:46.17 | Lulia | lua> function newCounter () local i = 0 return function () i = i + 1; return i; end end c1 = newCounter(); print(c1()); print(c1()); c2=newClosure(); print(c1()); print(c2()) |
| 23:46.17 | lua_bot | Lulia: 1, 2, luabot:1: attempt to call global 'newClosure' (a nil value) |
| 23:46.22 | Lulia | Oh, sorry! |
| 23:46.27 | Seerah | :) |
| 23:46.57 | Seerah | Lulia: I also use this myself, quite a bit when not in game: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/weblua |
| 23:47.01 | Napoleone | anyone can point me towards a place where i cant see the code for lua -> looting items -> getting stats for displaying |
| 23:47.02 | Lulia | I'm getting wierd compilation errors when I try to use /msg or /pm with the lua bot. |
| 23:47.31 | Cide | works fine for me |
| 23:47.36 | Lunessa | Napoleone you mean GetItemInfo? |
| 23:47.37 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.43 | Napoleone | yeah and stats |
| 23:47.45 | Lulia | d'oh |
| 23:47.58 | Lunessa | ~API GetItemInfo |
| 23:47.58 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 23:48.00 | Napoleone | and all that. so i can display it in my mod when looting. so i can actually get this mod done ;P |
| 23:48.35 | Lunessa | You might also look at wowprogramming's snipets section for tooltip scanning. |
| 23:48.38 | Napoleone | and stats of weapon and armors? |
| 23:48.54 | Lunessa | Since that's the only way to get the "Heroic" tag. |
| 23:50.08 | Dagmar | Might be time to fixor perl so he refs s/wowwiki/wowpedia/ |
| 23:50.29 | Lunessa | *nod* http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/Scan_a_tooltip_15 |
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| 23:51.01 | Lunessa | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo |
| 23:51.14 | Seerah | Dagmar: I didn't think wowwiki was going anywhere |
| 23:52.01 | Lunessa | Napoleone - http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/LootSlotIsItem |
| 23:52.17 | Lunessa | And the related links. |
| 23:53.16 | foxlit | ~literal api |
| 23:53.18 | Mirrormn | what can I do now to procastinate instead of coding? |
| 23:53.22 | Dagmar | Seerah: Being that I don't like pop-overs, interstitialks, and full video ads with sound, I'll be using the other one |
| 23:53.48 | foxlit | ~api foo |
| 23:53.48 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_foo |
| 23:53.54 | foxlit | hm, it's not a factoid :/ |
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| 23:55.01 | Legorol | For anyone that likes puzzle games, here is a great one: |
| 23:55.01 | Legorol | http://www.zachtronicsindustries.com/?p=635 |
| 23:55.14 | Legorol | you need to have an engineering mindset and know how to code in Lua (a little bit) |
| 23:55.20 | Legorol | it's a lot of fun imo |
| 23:55.57 | Lunessa | The Cataclysm login screen is verrrrrra nize. |
| 23:56.05 | Mirrormn | why not play Manufactoria at http://pleasingfungus.com/ and skip the Lua part? |
| 23:56.26 | Cide | because lua is fun? |
| 23:56.45 | Mirrormn | incorrect! |
| 23:57.38 | foxlit | Mirrormn: because that does nothing. |
| 23:57.40 | Lunessa | Tip: Killing guards gives no honor. |
| 23:58.21 | Mirrormn | hr, it is le broken |
| 23:58.26 | Mirrormn | http://jayisgames.com/games/manufactoria/ |
