| 00:00.06 | Lulia | Sweet, it's working :) |
| 00:00.17 | Lulia | Now I just have to do the extra frame stuff |
| 00:00.24 | Lulia | To make little arrows and what not. |
| 00:00.48 | Shirik | they |
| 00:00.50 | Shirik | will not |
| 00:00.51 | Shirik | force us |
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| 00:03.07 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 00:03.33 | Mikk | alestane: seeeeex. now i just need to find the time to hack on wowbench again ;) |
| 00:03.44 | Shirik | no |
| 00:03.53 | Shirik | you need to help me get Lua^2 working |
| 00:04.07 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 00:04.13 | Mikk | square moon? |
| 00:04.15 | Mikk | that sounds bad |
| 00:04.21 | Mikk | and mildly impressionistic |
| 00:04.27 | Shirik | Lua implementation in Lua |
| 00:04.37 | Lulia | So the only difference between IsShown and IsVisible is that one can be used on child objects to see if they're technically visible? |
| 00:04.39 | Dagmar | It's only bad if you're running MCAdmin |
| 00:04.42 | Mikk | loadstring("your code goes here") |
| 00:04.45 | Mikk | hth, hand, ymmv |
| 00:04.49 | Shirik | nonono |
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| 00:04.53 | Shirik | that's not a Lua implementation :P |
| 00:04.57 | Mikk | meh :P |
| 00:05.03 | Shirik | the whole concept is I want to be able to create a debugger for WoW |
| 00:05.09 | Mikk | oh shit |
| 00:05.17 | Mikk | that's cool and insane at the same time |
| 00:05.41 | Lulia | Yes, no, maybe? |
| 00:05.46 | Dajova | lua> print("I am a fag") |
| 00:05.49 | lua_bot | Dajova: I am a fag |
| 00:05.49 | alestane | Lulia. |
| 00:05.51 | alestane | Sec. |
| 00:05.54 | Cide | Shirik: that's an awesome idea |
| 00:06.06 | Dajova | o/ |
| 00:06.07 | Mikk | Lulia: yes, one is "IS THIS BEING SHOWN RIGHT NOW?" and the other is "would it be shown if all parents are shown?" |
| 00:06.20 | alestane | If you set a frame as the child of another frame, and hide the parent, they'll both disappear. |
| 00:06.22 | Mikk | :IsShown() reflects :Show() :Hide() on itself |
| 00:06.30 | Mikk | :IsVisible() is ... can you see it |
| 00:06.43 | alestane | In this case, :IsVisible() will be false, because you can't see the frame on account of its parent is hidden. |
| 00:06.49 | Lulia | Alestane: right, I do know that. I'm trying to figure out which is preferred if the frame is a parent frame |
| 00:07.00 | alestane | But :IsShown() is true, because the frame would be visible if something else weren't hiding it. |
| 00:07.00 | Lulia | Sounds like IsShown is what I want |
| 00:07.03 | Lulia | Thanks guys :) |
| 00:07.23 | Lulia | That was my guess, but presuming is bad ;) |
| 00:07.34 | Mikk | Lulia: yes and no.. it depends |
| 00:07.42 | Lulia | Huh? |
| 00:07.42 | Mikk | your parent frame is probably going to be a child of UIParent |
| 00:07.47 | Mikk | which gets hidden when you hide the UI |
| 00:07.48 | Lulia | Well yes |
| 00:07.58 | Lulia | But I assume in most contexts that UI is being shown |
| 00:08.24 | Mikk | except when the user is screenshotting beautiful scenery |
| 00:08.26 | Mikk | or dead bosses |
| 00:08.27 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes |
| 00:08.41 | Lulia | I just want to know whether or not Frame:Show() has been run yet |
| 00:08.46 | Lulia | So I don't run it multiple times |
| 00:08.55 | Lulia | So I think IsShown is the way to go, no? |
| 00:08.56 | cralor | Shirik, Cide: I've got a PHP question - I just recently setup LightTPD & PHP - and only phpinfo() works - any other .php file returns 404. |
| 00:08.56 | Mikk | :IsShown() is definitely what you want then |
| 00:09.09 | alestane | Show() will also not do anything if the frame is currently shown. |
| 00:09.14 | Mikk | though i suspect :Show() is fairly cheap on a shown frame |
| 00:09.21 | Mikk | as in.. cheaper than testing :IsShown() |
| 00:09.24 | Napoleone | hmm anyone know why when i print GetLootRollItemInfo() i get 4 extra arguments i cant seem to find the reason for |
| 00:09.28 | Lulia | Hmm, I guess I don't need the conditional then |
| 00:09.29 | Shirik | cralor: That sounds like something deeper than a php problem |
| 00:09.29 | Lulia | >.< |
| 00:09.44 | Mikk | nop =) |
| 00:09.46 | alestane | If not frame:IsShown() then frame:Show() end is pretty much equivalent to frame:Show(). |
| 00:09.59 | Mikk | except evaluating a conditional which costs a few cycles |
| 00:10.11 | cralor | Shirik: HTML files work and the like - could my settings of LightTPD & php.ini be off? |
| 00:10.43 | Lulia | So it's technically more efficient to NOT use the conditional? |
| 00:10.49 | Tuller | someone broke the restricted environment, dun dun dun |
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| 00:11.16 | alestane | The conditional is always evaluated once, in C, which is very fast. |
| 00:11.20 | Shirik | not really cralor |
| 00:11.41 | alestane | No reason to evaluate it first in Lua, too. |
| 00:11.51 | alestane | Care to elaborate, Tuller? |
| 00:11.54 | Shirik | 404 should mean file not found, period |
| 00:12.04 | cralor | Shirik: well it does hang |
| 00:12.10 | Shirik | at a minimum if it were a setting saying "don't run this" then it should be a 403 or 500 |
| 00:12.13 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yes what :p |
| 00:12.29 | Thunder_Child | "[16:56:42] <Kraps> Thunder_Child: metro 2033?" |
| 00:12.47 | Kraps | yeah, did you just buy it? |
| 00:12.49 | Tuller | alestane: looks like whatever changed broke dominos/bartender from reports, here's a pastey from a user on #wowace: http://paste.wowace.com/2706/ |
| 00:13.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: well not 'just' but yes i did |
| 00:13.09 | Thunder_Child | 7.5GB |
| 00:13.11 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 00:13.29 | alestane | Is that on live, or beta? |
| 00:14.14 | KarlKFI|work | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101027/ap_on_en_mo/eu_britain_darth_vader |
| 00:14.48 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: is the story good? |
| 00:14.56 | Tuller | alestane beta |
| 00:14.56 | Mikk | Shirik: random idea... it wouldn't be THAT bloody hard to run compiled Lua |
| 00:15.09 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i have no idea |
| 00:15.15 | cralor | Shirik: some people had the issue because they were using '<?' and not '<?php', so I checked and I did make that mistake, but I changed it with no success |
| 00:16.01 | Lulia | Anyone want to see what my Eclipse Bar looks like atm in the game? |
| 00:16.12 | Lulia | It's unfinished, because it doesnt have the arrows or numbers, but it looks really neat |
| 00:16.13 | alestane | I'm going to tentatively refer you to Iriel on that one, Tuller. |
| 00:16.29 | Napoleone | Lulia show it please |
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| 00:16.39 | Napoleone | if its neat and looks SWEET i want it ;P |
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| 00:17.09 | Lulia | :) |
| 00:17.40 | Napoleone | Problem i see atm with eclipse is that its locked into the solar one from start.. annoys me. becuase i like to wrath till i get procs ;P |
| 00:17.43 | Lulia | Remember that it still needs arrows and numbers |
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| 00:17.52 | Napoleone | ye |
| 00:17.55 | Napoleone | ss |
| 00:18.13 | Mikk | Napoleone: yeah the first time after you log on / respect / resurrect. it kinda stays active =) |
| 00:18.33 | Napoleone | its annoying ;) always on the solar |
| 00:18.33 | Lulia | http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx304/ChocoGoob/Screenshots/Power%20Bars/PowerBars-EclipseBarfirstpass.jpg |
| 00:18.37 | Lulia | There it is |
| 00:18.38 | Mikk | which is mildly hilarious when you're out doing dailies tbh |
| 00:18.41 | Lulia | Let me know what you think |
| 00:18.41 | Mikk | get an eclipse going |
| 00:18.44 | Mikk | and run around and MF spam |
| 00:18.45 | Mikk | woopwoop |
| 00:18.45 | Hirsute | Hrmm. Eclipse started out as neutral for me, and seems to remember where it was for me when I logged off. |
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| 00:19.12 | Lulia | I'm thinking of emphasizing the bar glow |
| 00:19.17 | Lulia | For when a buff is active |
| 00:19.20 | Lulia | The bar seems a little weak |
| 00:19.32 | Napoleone | hmm Lulia can i see the texture for that? |
| 00:19.47 | Napoleone | and can you put it UNDER the char instead... |
| 00:19.57 | Lulia | Yes, the Addon lets you move it |
| 00:20.00 | Lulia | And resize it |
| 00:20.06 | Napoleone | pff dont need that... |
| 00:20.07 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 00:20.30 | Lulia | I think I'm going to increase the glow |
| 00:20.36 | Lulia | For the bar, what do you think? |
| 00:21.02 | Napoleone | well can you send me the tex and I'll make a small mod to it that i think it needs ;P |
| 00:21.10 | Napoleone | you can keep the result if you like ti |
| 00:21.12 | Napoleone | it. |
| 00:22.28 | Napoleone | if you dont mind ;P |
| 00:22.30 | Lulia | Do you have photoshop? |
| 00:22.49 | Lulia | Remember that it isn't finished, what did you want to add to it? It may already be there and just not added in yet |
| 00:22.53 | Napoleone | yes |
| 00:22.58 | Napoleone | i use PS |
| 00:23.01 | Lulia | I'll just send you the psd |
| 00:23.06 | Napoleone | kewl |
| 00:23.07 | Lulia | Going to upload it to filefront |
| 00:23.08 | Mikk | giiiiiimp |
| 00:23.14 | Mikk | you dirty dirty pirates :P |
| 00:23.15 | Napoleone | I'm not a lnxuser |
| 00:23.20 | Mikk | gimp is windows too |
| 00:23.32 | Hirsute | Aye, I use gimp on Windows. |
| 00:23.34 | Napoleone | pirate? naa part of my studies ;P get it for free ;P |
| 00:23.54 | Lulia | http://www.filefront.com/17442136/Eclipse-Bar.psd/ |
| 00:23.58 | Hirsute | Though I would probably use Photoshop if I could afford a copy. |
| 00:24.02 | ccox | gimp is everywhere (just like a plague) |
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| 00:24.50 | KarlKFI|work | dont hate mikk. i have a legit copy of ps |
| 00:25.03 | KarlKFI|work | education discount ftw |
| 00:25.18 | Thunder_Child | MS does better discounts to be fair |
| 00:25.29 | ccox | <-- also got his first copy from educational discount |
| 00:25.58 | Mikk | though there's one thing i'm seriously missing in gimp |
| 00:26.07 | Mikk | being able to smack an image on a grid and drag the grid |
| 00:26.25 | Mikk | as in distort/transform based on grid points |
| 00:26.29 | amro | one thing I'm seriously missing in gimp is the ability to find the fucking windows |
| 00:26.34 | Mikk | haha |
| 00:26.34 | amro | what's the eta on that? |
| 00:26.38 | KarlKFI|work | $700 down to $130 aint good enough for you Thunder_Child? |
| 00:27.30 | MoonWitch | I a,m hoping to get a legit copy of the entire package while I do school :P |
| 00:27.42 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work: : $400 to free is better |
| 00:27.53 | Napoleone | how do you upload to Filefront? |
| 00:27.57 | KarlKFI|work | granted the presale for windows 7 to students was pretty awesome |
| 00:28.03 | Thunder_Child | press the upload button |
| 00:28.33 | KarlKFI|work | as for MSEE tho.... your university pays for that shit |
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| 00:29.26 | KarlKFI|work | or whatever the real acronym is |
| 00:29.54 | Mirrormn | $400 to free is actually not better, mathematically... |
| 00:30.30 | KarlKFI|work | depends if you mean by % or by $'s saved |
| 00:30.34 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work: MSDN? |
| 00:30.38 | KarlKFI|work | yes that |
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| 00:31.19 | KarlKFI|work | or the educational version |
| 00:31.35 | Cide | cralor: check your error log of lighttpd |
| 00:31.38 | amro | they still make MSDN? what's on it? |
| 00:31.46 | amro | I mean, now that you can google everything |
| 00:31.58 | KarlKFI|work | MSDN AA |
| 00:32.26 | amro | reads it "Anti-Air" |
| 00:32.29 | kd3|netbook | msdnaa++. yay free win7x64 just for being at school |
| 00:32.36 | Cide | academic alliance nub |
| 00:32.48 | amro | that doesn't answer what's on it |
| 00:32.53 | Cide | free software |
| 00:32.58 | amro | like? |
| 00:33.02 | cralor | Cide: http://pastebin.com/ECpWCReX |
| 00:33.06 | amro | notes the irony of the term |
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| 00:33.09 | Cide | all of microsoft's software mostly |
| 00:33.49 | Cide | cralor: and access.log? |
| 00:33.59 | Dajova | # Dual Talent Specialization level requirement has been reduced to 30, down from 40. |
| 00:34.00 | Dajova | omg -.- |
| 00:34.02 | kd3|netbook | yay msdnaa. free win7x64 for cs majors |
| 00:34.12 | kd3|netbook | has the iso downloaded, just sitting there |
| 00:34.17 | Thunder_Child | amro: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/academic/bb676724.aspx |
| 00:34.24 | KarlKFI|work | 3 years of MSDN AA for developers is like $1,000 per student |
| 00:34.39 | cralor | Cide: http://pastebin.com/80xxU9vj |
| 00:34.57 | amro | MSDN Library <- lewlpewl |
| 00:35.00 | cralor | Cide: particularly the last line |
| 00:35.19 | Cide | seems like it's not recognizing your php files as php files |
| 00:35.25 | cralor | ya lol |
| 00:35.27 | Cide | i.e. not handing it off to php |
| 00:36.12 | cralor | not sure what to do :S |
| 00:36.19 | Cide | paste your lighttpd.conf |
| 00:36.46 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 00:37.06 | Lulia | PowFrame:SetHeight(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Height*.94); should set the frame's height to 94% of the height of the value in the variable, yes? |
| 00:37.27 | cralor | Cide: which? -inc? |
| 00:37.44 | Cide | whichever you use |
| 00:37.46 | Lulia | Need to figure out how to get a frame to resize with its parent when it isn't set to equal all points, I figure that's the best way |
| 00:37.49 | Cide | both possibly |
| 00:37.49 | Hirsute | Lulia: You *might* need to do Height*0.94 |
| 00:38.15 | cralor | Cide: http://pastebin.com/1dpuHjTa |
| 00:38.20 | cralor | that's -inc |
| 00:39.03 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 00:39.15 | Lulia | But I'm going to actually have to run a function whenever the main frame is resized |
| 00:39.22 | Lulia | to redo the size for the child frame |
| 00:39.23 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 00:40.12 | amro | Lulia: what are the frames like? |
| 00:40.15 | alestane | Depends how you anchor it. |
| 00:40.21 | amro | chances are you can do something with anchoring |
| 00:40.34 | Lulia | Hmm, maybe I don't fully understand anchoring yet then. |
| 00:40.38 | Napoleone | how to upload files on filefront i dont see a stupid upload crap |
| 00:41.04 | Lulia | Probably want to show me a screenshot first, Napoleone? ;) |
| 00:41.15 | Lulia | Trying to figure out how to describe this, hmm |
| 00:41.20 | alestane | How do you want the child frame's size to change with the parent? |
| 00:41.37 | Lulia | I want it to stay in the same relative size as when it was created |
| 00:41.45 | Lulia | In the same relative position |
| 00:42.12 | Lulia | Because they can be resized, the size isn't actually defined |
| 00:42.13 | Thunder_Child | Napoleone: http://www.filefront.com/upload.php |
| 00:42.16 | Lulia | It's saved in a variable |
| 00:42.17 | alestane | You might want to change the parent's scale instead of its size then. |
| 00:43.13 | Lulia | Oh, so I wouldn't be using the Resizable function then |
| 00:43.16 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 00:43.46 | Napoleone | http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7820/eclipsebar.jpg |
| 00:44.17 | alestane | But if you need to, you can use parent:SetScript('OnSizeChanged', function(self, w, h) --[[...]] end). |
| 00:45.08 | Lulia | You just took out the underlying bars, Nap? |
| 00:45.57 | Lulia | Well, alestane, I like the resize feature because it allows users to drag their size instead of using a slider. |
| 00:46.09 | Lulia | So I guess I can use the OnSizeChanged frame then :) |
| 00:46.15 | Lulia | event( |
| 00:46.17 | Lulia | event* |
| 00:46.22 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 00:46.26 | alestane | You could do that with a scale change too, but you'd have to be a bit ingenious about it. |
| 00:46.48 | Lulia | That would be even better, but a bit beyond my knowledge I think |
| 00:48.06 | Napoleone | nop i added a fade ;P |
| 00:48.07 | Lulia | I'd what, check the mouse position and when the mouse moves check to see it's new position and do some math and set the scale that way? |
| 00:48.30 | Lulia | I already had fades in it, overlaid over bars which ran underneath |
| 00:48.54 | Lulia | So I'm confused |
| 00:50.05 | A-KO | http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html |
| 00:50.48 | Lulia | That's disgusting |
| 00:51.09 | Lulia | alestane, am I on the right track with that thought process? |
| 00:51.35 | A-KO | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/10/new-java-trojan-attacks-mac-os-x-via-social-networking-sites.ars |
| 00:51.51 | MoonWitch | A-KO: that made me sick lol |
| 00:51.55 | alestane | That's basically what you'd have to do for scale, yeah. You could use StartSizing, but then at the end you'd set the size back and set the scale to the proportion of the old and new sizes. |
| 00:52.48 | Hirsute | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101025/16375311580/local-news-website-says-you-need-to-pay-to-read-its-stories-says-it-s-collecting-visitor-ips-to-sue.shtml |
| 00:53.05 | Thunder_Child | i need some sugar |
| 00:53.12 | Thunder_Child | and by that i mean something sweet |
| 00:53.16 | Thunder_Child | not Fisker |
| 00:54.07 | Lulia | How would I set it back to proportion after using StartSizing? |
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| 00:55.25 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 00:55.29 | alestane | You would keep it a constant "size"...after you call StopMovingOrSizing(), you'd divide the new size by the standard size, set it back to the standard size and set its scale to the ratio. |
| 00:55.30 | Cide | cralor: not sure there |
| 00:55.48 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 00:55.50 | alestane | stations Lunessa at the door to keep out the undesirables. |
| 00:56.03 | Lulia | That's pretty clever :) |
| 00:56.10 | Lulia | I think I'll try to work that in |
| 00:56.15 | alestane | I'm not saying it's trivial. The resize response solution may work better for you. |
| 00:56.33 | Lunessa | alestane, it's too late. All we can do now is pray we have enough booze and ammunition. |
| 00:56.39 | cralor | Cide: ok :/ |
| 00:56.41 | MoonWitch | Thunder_Child: here's some icecream |
| 00:57.05 | Thunder_Child | nomnomnoms |
| 00:57.55 | Lulia | I'm just trying to work the math in my head to make sure. It's not that I don't trust you, I just like fully understanding something. |
| 00:58.10 | Lulia | Sadly, math is not a strong suit of mine, and thus I never pursued a professional career in coding... |
| 00:58.36 | Lunessa | To be fair, a lot of professional programmers are weak on math too. |
| 00:58.53 | Lulia | I also hate debugging ;) |
| 00:59.10 | Napoleone | there my script for auto DE and Auto Greed if need is not available |
| 00:59.11 | alestane | Debugging is the hardest part of programming, and the least beloved. |
| 00:59.19 | Lulia | Yup |
| 00:59.29 | Napoleone | debugging is the fun part |
| 00:59.40 | Lulia | When I first thought I would do coding for a career, I found I was really bad at debugging |
| 00:59.48 | Lulia | I've since gotten better |
| 00:59.57 | Lulia | But it was then that I decided not to pursue a path in coding |
| 01:00.16 | Lunessa | alestane, I would arge that documenting is the least beloved. |
| 01:00.30 | MoonWitch | oh yes, whomever posted the link to that eclipsebar psd .. nice work :) |
| 01:01.16 | Napoleone | its nice. yeah |
| 01:01.42 | alestane | Although if you design correctly, the documentation is done before the code is. |
| 01:02.28 | MoonWitch | I would do pretty decent at docu -- it's the coding I suck at lol |
| 01:02.38 | Lunessa | This is the part where we throw back our heads and peal out manical laughter! |
| 01:03.13 | MoonWitch | go for it, I am used to be laughing with (and I do mean with) |
| 01:03.21 | MoonWitch | laughed* |
| 01:03.46 | Hirsute | I think she was talking about what alestane said. |
| 01:03.46 | Lunessa | I meant alestane's comment. |
| 01:03.54 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 01:04.02 | MoonWitch | I retract my statement |
| 01:04.11 | Lunessa | Despite the -a ending I'm very, very, male. |
| 01:04.29 | MoonWitch | < also watching BSG still (martial law just got declared - Tigh is stupid sob) |
| 01:04.31 | Dagmar | He's had _extra_ equipment installed, just in case |
| 01:04.45 | Mirrormn | (penis extenders) |
| 01:05.01 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: I could say something nasty about that, but it would spoiler |
| 01:05.10 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: about bsg? |
| 01:05.16 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 01:05.33 | MoonWitch | don't .. it's been spoiled enough |
| 01:05.43 | MoonWitch | but I know what Tigh is though :( |
| 01:05.45 | Dagmar | No problem. I'm very much not spoilering. |
| 01:05.51 | Dagmar | Ah welll, that was it then |
| 01:06.21 | MoonWitch | yeah, I made the mistake of going to wikipedia to see if S1 indeed had 13 episodes only |
| 01:06.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar Slot D is for optional equipment. |
| 01:06.42 | Cairenn | I void warranties! |
| 01:06.46 | Cairenn | also |
| 01:06.48 | Cairenn | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Submit-WTF-Code-Directly-From-Your-IDE.aspx |
| 01:06.59 | Dagmar | I am somewhat disapointed that at some point the cap'n didn't just blow a gasket and start screaming "ALRIGHT GODS DAMNIT, is there anyone on this boat who is CERTAIN they're not a frakking skinjob?" |
| 01:07.06 | Hirsute | Lunessa: My apologies |
| 01:07.58 | A-KO | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/10/new-java-trojan-attacks-mac-os-x-via-social-networking-sites.ars < for all you mac nerds out there |
| 01:08.09 | Dagmar | Cairenn: That is some *hot stuff* right there |
| 01:08.10 | Lulia | lol, it's not quite working as intended, heh |
| 01:08.20 | Hirsute | Didn't you post that a moment ago, A-KO? |
| 01:08.38 | Xyphoid | this Artemis game looks amazing |
| 01:09.02 | Lunessa | A-KO too bad it's a java exploit that attacks everything. |
| 01:09.05 | Xyphoid | 'the problem is solved easily enoughdon't click shady links' |
| 01:09.21 | Lulia | Ah, there we go. |
| 01:09.29 | Lulia | Man, that works great, alestane :D |
| 01:09.31 | Torhal | MoonWitch: Use IMDB.com for that shit. :P |
| 01:10.12 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: I'm thinking the same ..... Some of the chars I just hate, they just rub me the wrong way |
| 01:10.25 | MoonWitch | but number 6, don't care she's evil and all ..... |
| 01:10.28 | A-KO | er did I? |
| 01:12.02 | Lulia | I think the only major issue with this method is that people might not realize it's going to change after they stop moving. |
| 01:12.25 | Lulia | So technically constraining its proportions by using mouse feedback and stuff would probably be better, but I think that's a bit beyond my reach. |
| 01:12.32 | Lulia | It's something I can change later as I learn more. |
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| 01:15.01 | Lulia | Hmm, I might have found a really odd bug, lol |
| 01:16.17 | MoonWitch | Lulia: does it have wings? |
| 01:16.40 | Lulia | lol |
| 01:17.22 | Lulia | And now I cant reproduce it |
| 01:17.23 | Lulia | ... |
| 01:17.29 | MoonWitch | it flew away |
| 01:17.36 | Lulia | If I cant reproduce it, it doesnt exist! |
| 01:17.37 | Lulia | >.> |
| 01:18.46 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: Ellen Tigh pisses me off completely, and Saul's an idiot for letting her poison his mind. |
| 01:19.10 | alestane | What game is this, MoonWitch? I take it you're drooling over one of the characters? |
| 01:19.15 | Lunessa | It's not your mind I want to poison, it's your moral fibre.... |
| 01:19.24 | Lulia | Alright, so now that I'm using setscale, any child frames in the parent will be resized to the scale of the parent? |
| 01:19.27 | MoonWitch | alestane: Battlestar galactica -- the 2004 series |
| 01:19.49 | alestane | Ah. A missing puzzle piece of my geekdom. |
| 01:19.54 | Tuller | the thing i might finally watch given that its on instant |
| 01:20.28 | Lunessa | I watched all of Season 1 while waiting to find out if my home was destroyed by Hurricane Ike. |
| 01:22.10 | MoonWitch | alestane: well I complied, it's quite good, but some aspects piss me off beyond words. |
| 01:22.39 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: wait what? hurricane? |
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| 01:23.17 | alestane | And the way you talked about "Number 6," it sounds like whoever she is, you'd trip her to the ground and beat her there. |
| 01:23.31 | Lunessa | MoonWitch 2+ years ago, a hurricane hit where I was living. While evac'ed to a friends house, I watched all of her Season 1 BS:G DVDs. |
| 01:23.47 | amro | MoonWitch: that's exactly how I feel about the series |
| 01:23.58 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: same hurricane knocked out the power here, in fucking ohio |
| 01:23.59 | MoonWitch | alestane: Oh no ... I'd tie her up - sure (she iS a cylon and thus evil) .. but I wouldn't beat her that's for sure.... |
| 01:24.13 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster Yeah. |
| 01:24.16 | alestane | You misunderstand. |
| 01:24.26 | MoonWitch | alestane: possible |
| 01:24.29 | alestane | Or rather, I misquaoted. |
| 01:24.38 | alestane | It's "trip her, and beat her to the ground." |
| 01:24.46 | Arrowmaster | thats the week i spent running a laptop, a wireless router, and a cable modem off of my 300 watt inverter in my car |
| 01:24.47 | alestane | That is, get to the ground before she does. |
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| 01:24.56 | MoonWitch | AAAH |
| 01:25.03 | MoonWitch | sorry alestane I didn't understand |
| 01:25.08 | MoonWitch | yes, completely! |
| 01:25.26 | MoonWitch | Arrowmaster: that's pretty damn nice. :) |
| 01:25.36 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster Hahaha. Dude. I just had to live in Austin for 3 weeks with the nagging feeling that my entire material wealth was destroyed. |
| 01:26.00 | Jerub | Lunessa: your house was okay? |
| 01:27.13 | Lunessa | jerb mostly, yes. I ended up moving because the building I rented in was being gutted for 2 floors to repair the damage and I couldn't take living under curfew with no internet, cable, and no time to do anything but work and sleep. |
| 01:29.24 | Lunessa | Hell, I had to drive 40 miles to do LAUNDRY |
| 01:29.43 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 01:29.57 | Jerub | ouch |
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| 01:32.08 | Jerub | Wobin: seriously it shows you how many users are currently on it. |
| 01:32.14 | Jerub | "There are other rooms, with 12 users currently talking in 10 rooms." |
| 01:32.28 | Wobin | Jerub: hehe |
| 01:32.35 | Wobin | I quite like the concept |
| 01:32.39 | Jerub | me too! |
| 01:32.41 | Wobin | maybe it just needs exposure |
| 01:32.47 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 01:32.51 | Jerub | chat.stackoverflow.com |
| 01:32.53 | Wobin | chat.stackoverflow.com |
| 01:33.04 | Lunessa | This is not an excuse to take off your pants. |
| 01:33.04 | Jerub | i was just pondering on twitter if the development cost was worth it for its 12 users. |
| 01:33.11 | Wobin | Jerub is responding to a tweet of mine |
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| 01:33.29 | Wobin | Lunessa: there's is not much that cannot be made better by the removal of pants |
| 01:33.41 | MoonWitch | removal of pants? |
| 01:33.48 | Jerub | "Han will get those pants down, we just need to give him more time!" |
| 01:34.03 | Jerub | "The pants are strong with this one" |
| 01:34.05 | alestane | 21:32 Wobin: maybe it just needs exposure |
| 01:34.06 | alestane | 21:33 Lunessa: This is not an excuse to take off your pants. |
| 01:34.10 | Lunessa | I'm just saying there's a time and a place. |
| 01:34.33 | Wobin | 24/7|MyPlace? |
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| 01:34.45 | Wobin | or perhaps YourMom |
| 01:34.53 | Lunessa | And I'd be hard-pressed to think of a time where I want to see wobin and Arrowmaster sans pants. |
| 01:35.07 | Lulia | heh, well |
| 01:35.08 | Thunder_Child | when free booze was involved |
| 01:35.16 | Thunder_Child | s/was/is/ |
| 01:35.25 | Arrowmaster | i only chat in here sans pants during the middle of summer |
| 01:35.28 | Lulia | Well, the frame that's on the screen is not quite what I thought it would be |
| 01:35.31 | MoonWitch | ..... |
| 01:35.40 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: really? |
| 01:35.42 | MoonWitch | Arrowmaster: i am not talking to you anymore lol |
| 01:35.43 | Arrowmaster | what, it gets hot |
| 01:35.44 | Thunder_Child | you should do it more often |
| 01:35.48 | Thunder_Child | it's quite freeing |
| 01:35.55 | Lulia | Which doesn't make sense |
| 01:36.10 | Lunessa | MoonWitch I thought you had a whole "get people sans pants" agenda? |
| 01:36.19 | Thunder_Child | thats Cairenn |
| 01:36.22 | MoonWitch | depends on who, where and when |
| 01:36.24 | Lulia | Okay, let's presume the current frame is 256 pixels |
| 01:36.27 | Arrowmaster | it was 90F in here one night at 3 fucking am |
| 01:36.32 | Cairenn | that's me |
| 01:36.39 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 01:36.41 | Lunessa | Oh right. |
| 01:36.46 | MoonWitch | i prefer to then wear very thin cotton clothing as opposed to get naked |
| 01:36.55 | alestane | What's you, Cairenn? |
| 01:36.56 | Lulia | and we multiply it by 0.41 |
| 01:37.02 | Arrowmaster | i never said naked |
| 01:37.06 | Lulia | We should get 104.96 pixels, correct? |
| 01:37.07 | Thunder_Child | a pants sanser |
| 01:37.09 | Cairenn | nor did I |
| 01:37.13 | MoonWitch | Cairenn is the one who liked sans pants |
| 01:37.30 | MoonWitch | but I still like Cairenn :) |
| 01:37.38 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:37.41 | MoonWitch | missed you though, while you were at Blizzcon |
| 01:37.45 | Hirsute | Lulia: Well, either 104 or 105, really, but sure. |
| 01:37.54 | Lulia | Right, but roughly that |
| 01:38.05 | Lulia | Let's assume it rounds up to 105 |
| 01:38.22 | Lulia | Now let's assume the height is 64 pixels |
| 01:38.37 | Lulia | and we multiply by 0.94 |
| 01:38.48 | Arrowmaster | are you thinking what im thinking? |
| 01:38.48 | krka | Well, I think so *hiccup*, but Kevin Costner with an English accent? |
| 01:38.54 | Lulia | Should be 60 pixels? |
| 01:39.29 | amro | that's the best script ever |
| 01:39.34 | Cairenn | <3 MoonWitch |
| 01:39.37 | Lulia | frik, I know what I did wrong |
| 01:39.38 | Lulia | lol |
| 01:39.40 | Arrowmaster | amro: it is |
| 01:39.42 | MoonWitch | awww <3 Cairenn |
| 01:39.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 01:39.56 | Napoleone | if (UnitName("raid"..mepanr) == UnitName("player")) then this should be raid3 if mepanr is 3 right |
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| 01:42.30 | alestane | "Please put this on your status if you know someone (or are related to someone) who has been eaten by dragons. Dragons are nearly unstoppable and, in case you didn't know, they can breathe fire. 93% of people won't copy and paste this, because they have been eaten by dragons. The other 7% of people are sitting in the shower armed with fire extinguishers." |
| 01:43.25 | MoonWitch | .... |
| 01:44.46 | Hirsute | Napoleone: Well, "raid"..mepanr should be raid3 if mepanr == 3, yes. |
| 01:45.58 | alestane | ... http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21843.html |
| 01:46.52 | MoonWitch | alestane: NOOOO You've made me go to TFLN |
| 01:47.24 | Hirsute | alestane: "invalid text id" :( |
| 01:47.27 | alestane | I didn't "make" you do anything. |
| 01:47.44 | alestane | Comes up fine for me, Hirsute. |
| 01:48.16 | MoonWitch | going for4 a smoke |
| 01:48.33 | MoonWitch | << needs to clip her nails -- the 4 is me hitting 2 keys at once lol |
| 01:48.37 | Hirsute | alestane: Hrmm. Was it the one about dressing as a boyscout? |
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| 01:49.10 | alestane | Yes. |
| 01:49.20 | alestane | Signs it's time to find another job. |
| 01:49.25 | Hirsute | Okay, well, it shows fine, just with that error at the top of the page. |
| 01:49.59 | alestane | One of my acquaintances left a job shortly after the boss insisted on holding public Christian prayers at the start of staff meetings. |
| 01:50.14 | Lunessa | "making" somoene go to TFLN sounds like a CollegeHumor porn movie. |
| 01:50.41 | Lulia | hmm |
| 01:51.01 | Lulia | Well, I got the size to be relative, but the position isn't. :-/ |
| 01:51.14 | Lulia | Whenever I resize, the position of the child frame gets thrown off. |
| 01:54.05 | MoonWitch | awwww |
| 01:54.35 | MoonWitch | (backspaced to avoid spoilers of season 2) |
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| 01:58.38 | MoonWitch | out of coffee and no smokes L i hate my life |
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| 02:01.06 | Lulia | I tried doing its size and position based off of percents |
| 02:01.44 | Lulia | Oh, hmm |
| 02:01.48 | Lunessa | MoonWitch fewer addictions, more money for gaming and sex. :P |
| 02:02.02 | Lulia | It -is- doing it, but it needs to reevaluate, even with scale set |
| 02:02.03 | MoonWitch | sex? what is this thing you speak of :( |
| 02:02.32 | Lunessa | comforts MoonWitch and brews her a nice cuppa. |
| 02:02.41 | MoonWitch | thank you Lunessa |
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| 02:05.12 | kd3 | yay; my signed poster showed today |
| 02:05.17 | kd3 | all hail the miracle of modern shipping |
| 02:05.19 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4cafddc7fa1ecc2ebe9534529183459c.jpg |
| 02:05.23 | kd3 | s/poster/print/ |
| 02:05.36 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 02:07.20 | Lunessa | It's verrrra niiize |
| 02:08.47 | Cairenn | Mine got home in one piece in my luggage, I was very happy |
| 02:09.01 | Cairenn | (it was well packed between clothes) |
| 02:10.17 | Arrowmaster | i saw a few of those being carried around the airport when i left |
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| 02:12.10 | MoonWitch | wtf? you got a healthy reproductive system so you're more valuable than others? (BSG again) |
| 02:12.56 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: That's very logical when your species is near extinction. |
| 02:13.26 | MoonWitch | yeah but still it's a bit surprising to hear it put like that |
| 02:13.50 | Lunessa | Not a breeder I take it? |
| 02:13.54 | MoonWitch | me? |
| 02:14.04 | Lunessa | Yes |
| 02:14.32 | MoonWitch | When and where the heck would I? I live with my mother and her boyfriend! i am single ... |
| 02:14.51 | Lunessa | But not philosophically opposed. |
| 02:14.59 | MoonWitch | so no .. I'm also 27 and have to wait 2 more years at least, I have spina bifida genes in my family ... |
| 02:15.22 | MoonWitch | the sensible thing is to just not go for it :) |
| 02:15.39 | Lunessa | I'm just saying, in the context of the story, those who can perpetuate the race are, like it or not, more valuable. |
| 02:15.52 | MoonWitch | yeah you are correct |
| 02:15.57 | MoonWitch | in the story -- |
| 02:16.12 | MoonWitch | I'd probably go for it, because it was a necessary thing |
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| 02:19.30 | Lunessa | Their society valued a lot of other things before the Cylons nuked them into a small tribe of meat-bags fleeing across the stars. |
| 02:19.39 | Lunessa | But priorities change. |
| 02:19.44 | MoonWitch | true |
| 02:19.53 | MoonWitch | what would you value most of all? |
| 02:20.14 | Lunessa | Personally? |
| 02:20.14 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 02:20.25 | Lunessa | In the modern era, or the context of BS:G? |
| 02:20.28 | MoonWitch | BSG |
| 02:20.29 | Napoleone | how many is the max amount you have seen in loot? like amount of slots |
| 02:20.50 | Lunessa | Demonstrated survivablity. |
| 02:20.57 | MoonWitch | Napoleone: 20 or so ... world dragon kill |
| 02:21.00 | LordAbyss | my first addon :) very very primitive and sloppy but it works http://tyrannicalchris.pastebin.com/YFqKxwsD |
| 02:21.08 | Napoleone | aaah |
| 02:21.23 | MoonWitch | Lunessa : nice ... I would have said something in the lines of knowledge |
| 02:21.58 | Napoleone | LordAbyss what is it suppose to do? ;P |
| 02:22.10 | LordAbyss | pretty much returns my target class :P |
| 02:22.12 | Lunessa | Particle Physics is useless if you starve to death for lack of other skills. And none of it does anyone any good if there's no procreation. *shrug* |
| 02:22.19 | LordAbyss | but im taking baby steps |
| 02:22.27 | Napoleone | well ;P |
| 02:22.28 | LordAbyss | getting use to lua syntax |
| 02:22.34 | MoonWitch | yes, I agree, that's why I am in awe of your answer :) |
| 02:23.03 | MoonWitch | I would probably try to get some form of tactical advantage : being able to use weapons and tracking skills or something |
| 02:23.09 | Lunessa | Also, you need people who can take the worst the universe throws at them and STILL KEEP GOING. |
| 02:23.21 | Napoleone | hmm may i suggest a simple solution? |
| 02:23.33 | Kraps | i should watch BS:G further but i hate the "spy in your base, destroying everything" story |
| 02:23.53 | LordAbyss | for me napoleone? |
| 02:23.57 | Napoleone | ye |
| 02:24.04 | LordAbyss | switch statement! |
| 02:24.19 | Lunessa | Kraps - I couldn't enjoy it until I divorced it from the 1979 movie and TV shows I loved as a kid. |
| 02:24.26 | LordAbyss | but sure, shoot |
| 02:24.47 | MoonWitch | haven't seen the old ones |
| 02:25.09 | Lunessa | And all of the first season, I kept waiting for a Cylone to say "By your command." |
| 02:26.09 | Napoleone | http://tyrannicalchris.pastebin.com/6JyLzSTR |
| 02:26.32 | Wobin | http://tyrannicalchris.pastebin.com/PJgN867M |
| 02:26.54 | Wobin | Same thing basically, but I kept the shaman check in |
| 02:26.58 | Wobin | in case it was an injoke =P |
| 02:27.02 | LordAbyss | see i did it like that because i am going to be comparing |
| 02:27.05 | Napoleone | ye was wondering about that one ;P |
| 02:27.08 | Kraps | TC-Away: yo |
| 02:27.23 | TC-Away | Kraps: yo-yo |
| 02:27.38 | Napoleone | btw if (something) then shit end works just as fine... put in else if you need it ;P |
| 02:27.47 | LordAbyss | im going to be doing a bunch of checks |
| 02:28.28 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: whats your steam account? |
| 02:28.41 | Napoleone | ;) |
| 02:28.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: Thunder_Child |
| 02:29.38 | Kraps | oh you're in wowuidev |
| 02:30.04 | MoonWitch | added you ;) |
| 02:30.20 | Thunder_Child | yes, i'm even an admin for no reason |
| 02:30.26 | Thunder_Child | i think it was because of when i joined |
| 02:30.42 | Thunder_Child | so you did MoonWitch |
| 02:30.44 | kd3 | hm; 4k line diff this build |
| 02:31.52 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: oh, nvm, wrong group |
| 02:32.25 | Kraps | wowwiki |
| 02:32.40 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 02:33.48 | Kraps | i have more games than you wtf |
| 02:34.38 | MoonWitch | anyhow -- smokey time |
| 02:34.48 | MoonWitch | and by the feel of it -- I may end up throwing up too lol |
| 02:34.54 | alestane | I thought you just had onea them. |
| 02:34.59 | alestane | Oh wait, that was like an hour ago. |
| 02:35.05 | MoonWitch | nope didn't go downstairs then |
| 02:35.11 | MoonWitch | my last smoke was 3 episodes ago |
| 02:35.39 | MoonWitch | so brb |
| 02:38.55 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i have only been acutally buying them for the last few months |
| 02:39.06 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: and about 4 years ago |
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| 02:41.50 | Napoleone | (Rarity >= 3) that will react to 3 and above right |
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| 02:58.58 | Lulia | Anyone on that's good at math? |
| 02:59.00 | Lulia | >.> |
| 02:59.02 | Lulia | <.< |
| 02:59.07 | Napoleone | depends what you need |
| 02:59.32 | Lulia | Alright, so to determine the position for my Arrow on my Eclipse bar |
| 02:59.38 | Lulia | I need to do a little math |
| 02:59.44 | Napoleone | aah basic math |
| 02:59.50 | Lulia | Since the width of the bar can change |
| 02:59.54 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 03:00.01 | Lulia | It's not as simple in my mind. |
| 03:00.05 | Napoleone | you got vars for width? |
| 03:00.14 | Lulia | Someone suggested somethign earlier, but I did the math out and it doesn't add up |
| 03:00.20 | Napoleone | no matter size? |
| 03:00.22 | Lulia | Here's what I've got, that doesn't work |
| 03:00.24 | Lulia | EclipseArrowFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", EclipseBarFrame, "CENTER", ((Eclipse - 100) - 0.5) * EclipseBarFrame:GetWidth(), 0) |
| 03:00.34 | Lulia | So yeah, I got the width |
| 03:00.42 | Lulia | And the current amount of eclipse |
| 03:01.06 | Napoleone | so Eclipse is current eclipse? |
| 03:01.11 | Lulia | correct |
| 03:01.17 | Lulia | Which, in the game right now, is 0 |
| 03:01.22 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 03:01.28 | Lulia | So in the end, if the formula works |
| 03:01.33 | Lulia | Should evaluate to 0 |
| 03:01.41 | Napoleone | yep 2 sec |
| 03:01.48 | Lulia | I'm trying to figure it out too |
| 03:01.54 | Lulia | Because I hate leaning on others. |
| 03:02.00 | Lulia | But I'm probably not going to figure it out |
| 03:02.01 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 03:02.06 | Napoleone | whats the values GetWidth get? |
| 03:02.20 | Lulia | The width of the eclipse bar |
| 03:02.24 | Lulia | I have a separate, invisible frame |
| 03:02.30 | Napoleone | whats the current number? |
| 03:02.30 | Lulia | which is as long as the eclipse bar |
| 03:02.35 | Lulia | Erm |
| 03:02.41 | Lulia | Should be 105 |
| 03:02.45 | Lulia | But it can change |
| 03:02.57 | Napoleone | (GetWidth / 100) * Eclipse |
| 03:03.20 | Napoleone | hmm does eclipse go -? |
| 03:03.30 | Lulia | yes |
| 03:03.32 | Lulia | -100 to 100 |
| 03:03.34 | Napoleone | fuck 2 sec then ;P |
| 03:03.47 | Lulia | :P |
| 03:04.01 | Lulia | And since it's "CENTER" |
| 03:04.05 | Lulia | the coordinates go negative too |
| 03:04.22 | Napoleone | fuck 2 sec then ;P(GetWidth / 200)*eclipse |
| 03:04.39 | Lulia | lol |
| 03:04.42 | Napoleone | so if its -15 |
| 03:04.50 | Napoleone | ir will be 15% on the minus side |
| 03:04.58 | Lulia | Correct |
| 03:05.00 | Lulia | That's the hope |
| 03:05.53 | Napoleone | EclipseArrowFrame:SetPoint("CENTER", EclipseBarFrame, "CENTER", ((EclipseBarFrame:GetWidth() /200)*Eclipse), 0) |
| 03:05.55 | Napoleone | try that |
| 03:06.13 | Lulia | Thanks, Napoleone :) |
| 03:06.29 | Lulia | I have to implement it into the UNIT_POWER stuff too, so it will take a second before I can find out |
| 03:06.34 | Lulia | But it's working with a value of 0 |
| 03:06.41 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 03:06.50 | Napoleone | well when you times 0 you get 0 ;P |
| 03:07.06 | Lulia | right |
| 03:07.10 | Lulia | :P |
| 03:08.01 | Lulia | testing |
| 03:08.12 | Napoleone | so if width /200 because you got 200% to cross.. that equals 1% * eclipsevalue.. so if eclipse is minus it will be minus and if positive poitive. and using the GetWidth to call the width ensures dynamic |
| 03:08.17 | Napoleone | it should work ;) |
| 03:08.33 | Lulia | seems to work |
| 03:08.35 | Lulia | :D |
| 03:08.47 | Lulia | Now I just have to add in the code to change arrows based on direction and amount |
| 03:08.50 | Lulia | You're awesome, man :) |
| 03:08.59 | Napoleone | ;) |
| 03:09.09 | Napoleone | basic math |
| 03:09.12 | Lulia | So you developed that by getting the maximum range |
| 03:09.19 | Lulia | To make the percent |
| 03:09.39 | Lulia | It feels like it should have been obvious :( |
| 03:09.48 | Napoleone | well basic math to convert to % BECAUSE eclipse is 0 -> 100 (looking like percent.) and in the minus aswell |
| 03:10.26 | Napoleone | hihi |
| 03:10.32 | Napoleone | my mod is much more tricky |
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| 03:12.25 | Lulia | Why is that? |
| 03:13.04 | Napoleone | well i need to figure out lua frames with checkboxes atm. and examples are scarse and the wowprogrammingbook is a xml geeky version |
| 03:13.30 | Lulia | I can do checkboxes in lua |
| 03:13.42 | Napoleone | making a raid looter. with 3 options... MS over OS, armor Prio, and if its a Raidroll |
| 03:13.46 | Napoleone | kewl |
| 03:13.58 | Lulia | Not sure if I can help, I'm sure you know a ton more than me. |
| 03:13.58 | Napoleone | create one in a pm ;) |
| 03:14.03 | Lulia | But I'm certainly willing to try |
| 03:14.05 | Lulia | Alright |
| 03:14.07 | Napoleone | well the basics are killing ;) |
| 03:27.08 | ZorbaTHut | wow ui development learning curve is kind of steep |
| 03:27.38 | ZorbaTHut | the API itself is often rather gnarly to work with, so many people use libraries, but of course those libraries are significantly worse-documented than the base API |
| 03:29.13 | Napoleone | ye |
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| 03:36.50 | kd3 | kind of steep? |
| 03:36.57 | kd3 | how'd zoot describe it? an inverted L? |
| 03:37.04 | Wobin | hahah |
| 03:37.47 | Mikk | Random lag bursts while playing? Tracking achievements? Read http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387877924&postId=273977437071&sid=2000#0 |
| 03:38.54 | Mikk | I'm almost tempted to release an addon that patches around it |
| 03:39.01 | Mikk | But it's not like anyone would download it |
| 03:40.56 | Wobin | Mikk: don't use that addon? |
| 03:41.09 | Wobin | oh it's blizzui |
| 03:44.29 | Mikk | mmm |
| 03:44.58 | Mikk | wow this is explaining so many of my random freezes now |
| 03:45.17 | Mikk | mounted battle @ court of bones: 5 calls when you switch subzone |
| 03:45.28 | Mikk | =0.3s lagburst |
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| 03:46.03 | Mikk | imagine circling a commander at the border of 2 subzones :S |
| 03:47.03 | Shishire | ok, is it possible/sane to replace CreateFrame with a wrapper function which calls CreateFrame after a few modifications? |
| 03:47.14 | Shadowed | possible yes |
| 03:47.15 | Shadowed | sane, no |
| 03:47.25 | Shadowed | Actually wait, I'm pretty sure you would taint it |
| 03:47.32 | Shishire | Ok, I would taint |
| 03:47.33 | Shishire | damn |
| 03:47.34 | Shadowed | and break secure stuff |
| 03:47.50 | Shishire | I was hoping I could rename it without tainting it |
| 03:48.20 | Mikk | are you targetting only a few known addons? |
| 03:48.26 | Mikk | you can change the execution environment for them |
| 03:48.36 | Shishire | I'm dealing with a lot of addons which refuse to name their frames. I wanted to wrap their calls to CreateFrame so that I could force custom names. |
| 03:48.54 | Arrowmaster | why do you need the frames named? |
| 03:48.56 | Shishire | and then log those addons so I have a complete list of who to pester |
| 03:49.08 | Shishire | two reasons |
| 03:49.13 | Mikk | prolly easier to find all CreateFrame() calls in lua files |
| 03:49.13 | Wobin | why do they need to name their frames? |
| 03:49.19 | Mikk | and what wobin said |
| 03:49.29 | MentalPower | you can do the latter without tainting |
| 03:49.35 | MentalPower | securehook |
| 03:49.39 | Mirrormn | mm I love not creating frame names |
| 03:49.42 | Shishire | first, it's a pain to do after-creation editing without a global for the frame |
| 03:49.50 | Wobin | well sure |
| 03:49.57 | Arrowmaster | sometimes thats done for a reason |
| 03:49.58 | Kraps | so why is this guy blizzcon wearing a torn hat? |
| 03:50.04 | Kraps | cap* |
| 03:50.06 | Wobin | but if I don't need to do any after-creation editing, why do I need to name it? |
| 03:50.20 | Wobin | and why do I want to clutter the global namespace? |
| 03:50.27 | Arrowmaster | im with Wobin |
| 03:50.44 | Arrowmaster | except you can still edit the frames after creation if they arent named |
| 03:50.48 | Shishire | because what if I don't like the placement/size/function of your minimap button. That's just an example. Or, if I need to make the frame larger because text overflowed. |
| 03:50.51 | Mikk | having said that, i love having /framestack actually show meaningful names :P |
| 03:50.59 | Shishire | That too |
| 03:51.04 | Wobin | Shishire: still missing the point, however |
| 03:51.09 | Shishire | Wobin, ? |
| 03:51.20 | Mikk | forcing made-up names is not the right way either way |
| 03:51.22 | Wobin | Why are you "pestering me" to name my frames |
| 03:51.25 | Mikk | you want to just go pester the addon maker |
| 03:51.34 | Mirrormn | pester pester pester |
| 03:51.34 | Mikk | grins evilly at Wobin |
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| 03:51.43 | Wobin | if the addon is incorrectly placing itself, etc |
| 03:51.51 | Wobin | it's to the author to fix it |
| 03:51.57 | Wobin | not for someone else to externally adjust it |
| 03:52.06 | Shishire | and if I can't figure out which addon is making the frame? |
| 03:52.25 | Wobin | perhaps start using less addons? =) |
| 03:52.36 | Shishire | no, I'm an addon-junkie |
| 03:52.40 | Mikk | either way, i think the question here is: what are you REALLY trying to solve |
| 03:52.41 | Shishire | 143 at last count |
| 03:52.47 | Wobin | Then you have the capability to figure out which addon does it |
| 03:53.01 | Mirrormn | I actually download *ever* addon from curse and then use them all at the same time |
| 03:53.05 | Mirrormn | *every |
| 03:53.09 | Mikk | haha |
| 03:53.19 | Shishire | Wobin, I really don't want to trawl some 20,000 lines of code just to fix an out of place button |
| 03:53.32 | Mikk | ctrl+f CreateFrame |
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| 03:53.50 | Wobin | if you know what addon it's from |
| 03:53.55 | Wobin | cause you know a button is out of place |
| 03:54.01 | Wobin | so you know what button you're worried about |
| 03:54.07 | Wobin | then tell the author it's out of place |
| 03:54.34 | Napoleone | can i just use createframe FRAME type to just have a texture on it? |
| 03:54.41 | Mikk | having said that, you can securehook and :SetName() |
| 03:54.51 | Mikk | Napoleone: yes create the frame, then create a texture on it |
| 03:55.01 | Shishire | Mikk, wait, I can setname after creation? |
| 03:55.35 | Mikk | um no i was smoking something inappropriate, sorry |
| 03:55.50 | Mikk | BUT |
| 03:55.57 | Wobin | you could probably store the reference to the frame |
| 03:55.59 | Wobin | then setname it |
| 03:56.03 | Mikk | you can stick a custom :GetName() in the frame's table :D |
| 03:56.37 | Wobin | but you might want to consider how many times CreateFrame is called =P |
| 03:56.42 | Wobin | with 150 or so addons |
| 03:56.44 | Mikk | yes yes but that's his problem :P |
| 03:56.47 | Napoleone | ok ;P that will work perfect for my MASTER plan |
| 03:57.02 | Arrowmaster | epic user images on this http://www.amazon.com/AutoExec-WM-01-Wheelmate-Steering-Wheel/dp/B000IZGIA8 |
| 03:57.03 | Mikk | Napoleone: also, hint, myTexture:SetAllPoints(myFrame) |
| 03:57.10 | Mikk | then you just move the frame about and the texture follows |
| 03:57.59 | Napoleone | hmm what I'm trying to make is the 3 circle frames from LFD system in the top |
| 03:58.16 | Wobin | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1052957 |
| 03:58.44 | Lulia | Hey guys |
| 03:58.49 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: Tags Customers Associate with This Product: wtf(593) bad idea(414) accident waiting to happen(384) |
| 03:59.00 | Arrowmaster | read the reviews |
| 03:59.38 | Mikk | busy looking at user images :D |
| 03:59.51 | Mirrormn | "We also discovered that if you place a pillow on top of it and turn on the cruise control you can catch quick naps on the interstate" XD |
| 04:00.00 | Lulia | So, I have my addon creating special frames if the player is a druid and they're balance spec. In my initial function that sets the frames I check to see their class and spec and create the frames if they are. The function fires on ADDON_LOADED, which, apparently, is before the game can grab class and spec info. |
| 04:00.14 | Lulia | What event should I use to create the druid specific frames? |
| 04:00.24 | Arrowmaster | you can always check class |
| 04:00.26 | Wobin | Mikk: there are 383 tags to that product =P |
| 04:00.26 | Lulia | I'll probably be using it to create DK specific frames too, eventually |
| 04:00.29 | Matt646 | LOGIN_AS_DROOD |
| 04:00.46 | Lulia | Alright, so class probably isn't dripping it up, but talent tree probably is |
| 04:00.58 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: epic reviews too "Wow is this thing great! I use it as a "mini-bar" when the friends and I go out to the bars." |
| 04:01.08 | Lulia | f UnitClass("Player") == "Druid" and GetPrimaryTalentTree() == 1 then |
| 04:01.13 | Lulia | That's the specific if statement |
| 04:01.17 | Lulia | if* |
| 04:01.18 | Lulia | not f |
| 04:01.47 | Wobin | "My copilot and I both used these during our "daily grind" transcontinental flights from San Diego to Minneapolis. We had to modify them a bit to fit snug against the instrument panels (when we bought them we didn't realize the planes we fly don't have steering wheels!), but in the end it did the job. With our laptops firmly in place we were able to focus our attention on what really mattered, participating in raids with our WoW clan. During |
| 04:01.47 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.06 | Mirrormn | you might want to register "ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED" |
| 04:02.36 | Lulia | Well, I already have that registered, does that always fire on login too? |
| 04:02.46 | Napoleone | anywhere i can find the LFD role textures? |
| 04:03.14 | Napoleone | texbrowser doesnt work at all for me. |
| 04:03.30 | Lulia | I dunno how to find textures :( |
| 04:03.50 | brandonjviles | could you have an install button that when clicked it checks all of that info, then reload the ui and load the saved variables - have a variable for isBalDruid and isInstalled. probably a better way but w/e |
| 04:04.11 | Napoleone | whoot found it ;P |
| 04:04.40 | brandonjviles | i know that isnt the best solution |
| 04:04.40 | Napoleone | UI-LFG-ICON-ROLES.png where is this located wow style lol |
| 04:04.44 | Mirrormn | I'm pretty sure it fires when your character's talent information becomes available on login |
| 04:04.45 | Lulia | Well, if ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED fires at some point in the log in |
| 04:04.53 | Lulia | Then that's the best solution |
| 04:04.57 | Lulia | Alright, I'll try that, Mirror |
| 04:06.56 | Napoleone | SetBackdrop("Interface\\LFGFrame\\UI-LFG-PORTRAIT") |
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| 04:11.00 | Lulia | I should probably encapsulate it in a if not PowerBars.EclipseBarFrame then |
| 04:11.02 | Lulia | shouldn't I? |
| 04:11.10 | Lulia | Just in case they're already logged in and spec change |
| 04:11.15 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 04:11.18 | Mirrormn | absolutely |
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| 04:12.14 | Wobin | you could check if they have that sunray spell |
| 04:12.23 | Wobin | solarblast or whatever =P |
| 04:14.11 | Mirrormn | man, I want to go to the rally to restore sanity |
| 04:15.43 | ZorbaTHut | argh why does auctioneer keep failing to do a full scan :( |
| 04:15.57 | Mikk | norganna peeps are wondering why too |
| 04:15.59 | Mikk | at least were last night |
| 04:16.00 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: because blizzard hates their economy? |
| 04:16.15 | Lulia | Hmm, apparently UNIT_POWER fires before that |
| 04:16.16 | Hirsute | Why are you not just checking class and spec in your OnLoad? |
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| 04:16.27 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: We're trying to figure that out. |
| 04:16.30 | Mikk | spec changes during play |
| 04:16.36 | ZorbaTHut | hirsute, <3 |
| 04:16.52 | ZorbaTHut | I'm resorting to a standard scan but that's going to take literally half an hour |
| 04:17.04 | Hirsute | Mikk: That's what the event is for, but there isn't really a reason to worry about that on load. |
| 04:17.12 | Mikk | very true |
| 04:17.31 | Mikk | + if you do it on load it'll work even if you're being demand-loaded |
| 04:17.46 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: Good luck. Blizz's throttle on GetAuctionItemInfo and GetItemInfo are making even that be buggy, unfortunately. |
| 04:18.11 | ZorbaTHut | oy :/ |
| 04:18.29 | Napoleone | now i got the texture. now i just need a specific part of it |
| 04:18.30 | Hirsute | Even normal, large searches that are paged through quickly are returning blank spots in their search results. |
| 04:19.16 | Hirsute | ZorbaTHut: See this, for example: http://up.norganna.org/show.php/tCOvf7/PMAH.JPG |
| 04:19.30 | ZorbaTHut | awesome |
| 04:19.42 | ZorbaTHut | I like how blizzard's patches are always well-tested and bugfree |
| 04:19.45 | ZorbaTHut | except, not that, the opposite of it. |
| 04:21.18 | Hirsute | I imagine they'd say the underlying functions here are working as intended. Unfortunately, I don't think they followed their throttles through to the end. |
| 04:22.05 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've had to deal with a lot of code that's "working as intended" |
| 04:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | usually to fix a bug that the original developer never thought of :P |
| 04:22.39 | Thunder_Child | some are unintentional, like the inspect one that when you hit the throttle limit you got..well, stuck for lack of a better term |
| 04:23.52 | Lulia | did they fix inspect? |
| 04:24.02 | Thunder_Child | no idea |
| 04:24.23 | Lulia | hmm |
| 04:24.50 | Lulia | Putting the frame generation in ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED did not help with log-on issues |
| 04:25.10 | Lulia | I think maybe I'll try a UNIT_POWER event instead |
| 04:27.01 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I believe you're looking for the word "sarcasm" |
| 04:27.45 | Lulia | Hmm, talents should be available on P_E_W, no? |
| 04:28.29 | DWSR | no |
| 04:28.40 | DWSR | There's a specific event that tells you when talent information is available. |
| 04:28.41 | DWSR | sec. |
| 04:29.30 | DWSR | PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 04:29.48 | DWSR | P_E_W will only have talent information available if you're doing a /reload |
| 04:30.48 | Lulia | PLAYER_ALIVE will have talent info? |
| 04:31.27 | DWSR | Yeah, upon first login. |
| 04:31.35 | DWSR | P_E_W isn't guarenteed to have it. |
| 04:31.42 | DWSR | According to Wowpedia, anyway. |
| 04:32.06 | Lulia | Alright, thanks, I'll try that |
| 04:33.20 | Cairenn | hhahahahha |
| 04:33.22 | Cairenn | http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4918/1272913447.png |
| 04:33.49 | Thunder_Child | wow |
| 04:33.50 | Dagmar | OOOOOoo! Heartless! |
| 04:34.22 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:34.23 | Lulia | lol |
| 04:34.32 | Dagmar | Thank god for Blizzard GMs |
| 04:34.41 | Napoleone | Cairenn lololol |
| 04:34.48 | Dagmar | I always felt like I was talking to a Saltine when I dealt with EQ GMs |
| 04:35.04 | Napoleone | i was on my warrior yesterday and a gm called me a deathknight lol |
| 04:35.30 | ccox | lol! |
| 04:35.35 | ccox | nice one! |
| 04:35.54 | Napoleone | I replied.. but I'm a warrior and he replied back... thats because the lich king was busy... |
| 04:36.24 | Mikk | Cairenn: LMAO |
| 04:36.26 | Jerub | am i unusual in that i've never, ever, had actual real time contact with a GM? |
| 04:36.41 | Mikk | yes |
| 04:37.17 | Jerub | Cairenn: that image just got a belly laugh from a coworker |
| 04:37.35 | Dagmar | Jerub: I almost wanna say you're missing out for having done so |
| 04:38.04 | Jerub | Hirsute: 91k gold? |
| 04:38.13 | Dagmar | A lot of other games, the GMs sound like they coulnd't even hack it at a Ren Faire |
| 04:38.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: i've filed heaps of tickets. |
| 04:38.22 | Jerub | and 7-10 days later i sometimes get form letter responses! |
| 04:38.39 | Dagmar | jerub: Well, it kinda says something about them that they've managed to sort them without having to reach you |
| 04:38.44 | Hirsute | Jerub: Not my screenshot. One of the other auctioneer team members, and that's dwarfed by the amounts held by many of our users. |
| 04:38.54 | Jerub | Hirsute: amazing. |
| 04:39.26 | Jerub | i guess i was making 2-300g a day when i was levelling my first toon |
| 04:39.29 | Jerub | just playing the AH |
| 04:39.35 | Jerub | i never really bothered after that |
| 04:40.31 | Kraps | the qq over wikias new layout is insane |
| 04:40.50 | Dagmar | I don't know about "insane" |
| 04:40.52 | Dagmar | It's pretty bad |
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| 04:41.47 | Kraps | http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Try_out_the_new_look#WikiaArticleComments 1363 comments on the post alone |
| 04:41.50 | Lulia | Still has an error :( |
| 04:43.10 | Lulia | oh wait, d'oh |
| 04:43.13 | Lulia | I must be getting tired |
| 04:43.21 | Baps | So, if I've named a frame in xml, I should be able to display it with FrameNamedFoo:Show() correct? |
| 04:43.45 | Mikk | yes |
| 04:43.54 | Mikk | unless it's parented to something that's hidden |
| 04:44.11 | Baps | and if FrameNamedFoo is nil then there's an error in the XML? |
| 04:44.42 | Baps | will bugsack catch errors in the XML or do I need to look elsewhere? |
| 04:45.24 | Lulia | Well that's odd. It doesn't error when I log-in anymore, but the frame still doesn't show until /console reloadui |
| 04:48.27 | Napoleone | lulia because of something not firing at the right time |
| 04:48.44 | Lulia | It should |
| 04:48.48 | Lulia | PLAYER_ALIVE fires on log-in |
| 04:48.53 | Lulia | I just add a print() to check |
| 04:49.05 | Napoleone | what about ADDON_LOADED or something |
| 04:49.16 | Napoleone | theres an event that fires right when everything is done |
| 04:50.00 | Hirsute | Lulia: Does it fire if the play is dead when he logs in? |
| 04:50.15 | Lulia | I don't know |
| 04:50.16 | Hirsute | *player |
| 04:51.47 | Lulia | It's not a state, I dont think it's affected by being alive or dead. It's an event that "Fires when the player's spirit is released after death or when the player accepts a resurrection without releasing" |
| 04:51.49 | Napoleone | try PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 04:52.09 | Napoleone | PLAYER_ALIVE is only on ress, releases and other dead aspects ;P |
| 04:52.42 | Lulia | It fires when they log in |
| 04:52.44 | Lulia | Trust me |
| 04:52.46 | Lulia | I just tested it |
| 04:52.50 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 04:53.01 | Napoleone | try entering world since that fires when its done loading |
| 04:53.29 | Lulia | I just did |
| 04:53.37 | Lulia | Loading right now |
| 04:54.05 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 04:54.29 | Arrowmaster | good night |
| 04:54.36 | Napoleone | night arrow |
| 04:54.56 | Lulia | actually, I think PLAYER_ALIVE might have worked |
| 04:55.01 | Lulia | I think it was something else |
| 04:55.15 | Baps | will bugsack catch errors in the XML or do I need to look elsewhere? |
| 04:55.33 | Napoleone | hmm the master said that about xml you can use a validator |
| 04:55.41 | Napoleone | i dont know much about that |
| 04:55.57 | Lulia | For the other frames PowerBars.BasePowFrame:Show() fires after it goes through their information gathering. But it doesn't do it for the druid since it doesn't check their talent spec. Thus I dont think it was showing. |
| 04:57.31 | Lulia | God I'm going to feel so dumb if that's it. |
| 04:57.52 | Lulia | Nope, that wasn't it, apparently. |
| 04:58.15 | Lulia | Now see, this is really odd... |
| 04:58.32 | Lulia | I put a print() inside the if statement that checks for PowerBars.EclipseBarFrame |
| 04:58.38 | Lulia | And that print is firing |
| 04:58.47 | Lulia | Which means it's going in there and it HAS to be creating those frames |
| 04:59.14 | Lulia | And yet they don't show |
| 05:01.05 | Lulia | I guess I'll tackle this error tomorrow. I'm too tired. Ugh |
| 05:01.15 | Lulia | well, technically, not an error |
| 05:01.23 | Lulia | NO error message is popping up, which is so odd. |
| 05:01.40 | Lulia | The frame is being created and yet it's now shoing, despite the explicit frame:Show(); I have in there |
| 05:02.12 | Napoleone | paste the code in pastebin please |
| 05:03.12 | Lulia | one sec |
| 05:03.17 | Lulia | Discovered another odd bug |
| 05:05.11 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2709/ |
| 05:06.29 | Lulia | LOL |
| 05:06.31 | Lulia | So... |
| 05:06.40 | Lulia | Now the arrow is loading up when I log-in |
| 05:06.45 | Lulia | but the rest of the frame isnt |
| 05:06.46 | Napoleone | its the eclipse frame? |
| 05:06.47 | Lulia | ahahahahaha |
| 05:07.03 | Lulia | I have this little arrow in the middle of the screen |
| 05:07.05 | Shirik | Cairenn, I think I'm going to work for IHOP instead |
| 05:07.12 | Shirik | I have made the most epic pancakes ever |
| 05:07.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:07.15 | Lulia | Hmm? |
| 05:07.21 | Lulia | It's the eclipse frame, yes |
| 05:07.33 | Shirik | they are very thick, full of massive chocolate chips and chocolate syrup |
| 05:07.37 | Shirik | with maple syrup |
| 05:07.40 | Cairenn | yum |
| 05:08.25 | Shirik | they are so thick |
| 05:08.31 | Shirik | I only made like 5 and they're almost a foot high |
| 05:08.36 | Shirik | ok maybe closer to 8 inches |
| 05:09.03 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:09.17 | Napoleone | Lulia check your images names and capitalism. ok |
| 05:09.22 | Hirsute | Shirik: pics or it didn't happen |
| 05:09.25 | Napoleone | if the naming is correct |
| 05:09.35 | Lulia | They are :) |
| 05:09.40 | Hirsute | check your images capitalism? |
| 05:09.41 | Lulia | It all works on /console reloadui |
| 05:09.49 | Lulia | It just doesn't work on the log-in, it's all the same function |
| 05:09.58 | Hirsute | Are you suggesting they should be more socialistic? |
| 05:10.06 | Lulia | Of course he is :P |
| 05:10.16 | Baps | so my XML is valid XML.. which isn't to say there isn't errors in it |
| 05:11.03 | Baps | but trying to refer to my Frame by name is returning nil |
| 05:11.04 | Napoleone | Lulia whats the name of the image? |
| 05:11.12 | Napoleone | and you use blp files? |
| 05:11.22 | Lulia | Would you like all of the images? |
| 05:11.31 | Napoleone | just the name of the sun image |
| 05:11.41 | Lulia | I could just send you the addon if you wanted |
| 05:11.42 | Napoleone | all but arrow |
| 05:11.45 | Napoleone | ok do that |
| 05:12.56 | Lulia | http://www.filefront.com/17442988/PowerBarsv003.zip |
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| 05:15.23 | Napoleone | i dont think you need the .blp after |
| 05:15.41 | Lulia | ? |
| 05:15.46 | Lulia | If I dont specify the file type |
| 05:15.48 | Lulia | How will it choose it |
| 05:16.04 | Napoleone | "Interface\\AddOns\\PPUI\\media\\dps" |
| 05:16.10 | Napoleone | mine finds the tga no problem ;P |
| 05:16.13 | taroven | Lulia: WoW's fairly smart about picking file extensions for ya. |
| 05:16.19 | taroven | At least for textures. |
| 05:16.24 | Napoleone | ye |
| 05:16.41 | Lulia | Alright, well, I'll change that. Though I don't think that's why it's not showing on log-in ;) |
| 05:17.10 | taroven | Considering that adding .tga to any of my texture strings causes them not to load, you may be surprised. |
| 05:17.17 | taroven | =p |
| 05:17.33 | Napoleone | yeh it's too smart ;) |
| 05:18.33 | Kraps | gg questioner, "derp, double crossbows r dumb" |
| 05:18.35 | Napoleone | hmm also watch out with your naming. |
| 05:18.46 | Napoleone | keep it more personal. ;) |
| 05:19.33 | Napoleone | I'm having a hard time sorting through the jumping back and forth here... I might be heading to bed.. |
| 05:20.11 | taroven | With ya there, Napoleone... /bed |
| 05:20.32 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:20.40 | Napoleone | 7 am been 32 hours since i slept last ;) |
| 05:21.36 | Napoleone | Lulia we'll continue this later ;) |
| 05:21.42 | Napoleone | sleep tight all |
| 05:22.06 | Lulia | Night, Napoleone |
| 05:22.12 | Lulia | Maybe I can bug taroven ;) |
| 05:22.16 | batrick | Sup Shishire |
| 05:22.19 | batrick | shit |
| 05:22.21 | batrick | Shirik: ^ |
| 05:22.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:22.40 | Shirik | sup |
| 05:22.48 | taroven | Lulia: NEVER |
| 05:22.55 | Lulia | QQ |
| 05:23.01 | taroven | ^_^ |
| 05:23.36 | batrick | How's it going Shirik |
| 05:23.37 | taroven | Might be able to catch me tomorrow. Seriously have to sleep though... moving the day after tomorrow and none of my shit's packed. |
| 05:23.38 | Lulia | This bug is so strange, it literally defies all knowledge I have of lua and wow api |
| 05:23.41 | Shirik | tired |
| 05:23.46 | Lulia | Granted, my knowledge is slim |
| 05:23.50 | batrick | m2 |
| 05:23.53 | Lulia | I'm tired too, and I should probably sleep. |
| 05:24.10 | Lulia | But I hate going to bed when I've got a bug |
| 05:24.13 | Lulia | >.> |
| 05:24.16 | Lulia | <.< |
| 05:24.27 | Lulia | Like, I'll lie in bed and just keep thinking and thinking about it |
| 05:24.31 | Lulia | And not get any sleep. |
| 05:24.57 | taroven | Know the feeling. Worse is knowing that the bug made it into a major release. =P |
| 05:25.12 | taroven | Anyway. BRB SLEEP |
| 05:25.16 | Lulia | laters |
| 05:25.25 | Lulia | (luckily mine is still in alpha) |
| 05:28.56 | Baps | ok. when you name the file Foo.xml and refer to it as Bar.xml, the frame named BarName ends up as nil |
| 05:29.53 | DarthAndroid_ | Baps: Only if you didn't pray and make a blood sacriface to the moon god. Otherwise it magiaclly works, even if you have typos. |
| 05:29.55 | Lulia | Well if you name it one thing and refer to it as another, why would you expect to see it? |
| 05:30.14 | Lulia | Okay... |
| 05:30.21 | Baps | because I thought I'd named it Bar.xml -- so I put Bar.xml in the toc. =) |
| 05:30.23 | Lulia | so I added an if statement, two actually |
| 05:30.31 | Baps | but I'd actually called it Foo.xml |
| 05:30.32 | Lulia | if PowerBars.BasePowFrame:IsShown() then |
| 05:30.47 | Lulia | and if PowerBars.EclipseBarFrame:IsShown() then |
| 05:31.02 | Lulia | And the print is saying that both of them are showing |
| 05:31.07 | Lulia | When I don't see them at all! |
| 05:31.09 | Lulia | wth?? |
| 05:31.19 | Lulia | Why is the game lying to me? |
| 05:31.49 | Mirrormn | because frames don't actually display anything to the screen, is my guess |
| 05:32.07 | Mirrormn | there's probably a problem with the texture children of your frames |
| 05:32.14 | Lulia | True enough, but why would the textures not load? |
| 05:32.19 | Lulia | But then load when I do /console reloadui |
| 05:32.27 | Lulia | It only happens on log-in |
| 05:32.36 | Lulia | The textures load just fine after /console reloadui |
| 05:32.49 | Mirrormn | btw you only need to type /reload |
| 05:33.11 | Lulia | Oh god... |
| 05:33.15 | Lulia | Mirror |
| 05:33.19 | Mirrormn | could be the textures are getting hidden separately from the frame |
| 05:33.19 | Lulia | You just helped me solve it |
| 05:33.23 | Lulia | no no no |
| 05:33.29 | Lulia | I'm an idiot |
| 05:33.33 | Fisker | i wanna kill you Shirik |
| 05:33.35 | Mirrormn | everyone's an idiot |
| 05:33.41 | Mirrormn | literally everyone in the world ^_^ |
| 05:33.43 | Lulia | Would you like to know what I did? |
| 05:33.55 | Lulia | The frames don't start out with any image references for their textures |
| 05:33.56 | Mirrormn | I'm kind of trying to convince myself to go to sleep |
| 05:34.06 | Mirrormn | but go ahead |
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| 05:34.41 | Lulia | They need to go through a function which assigns them. Normally, if I didnt have to wait for the talents |
| 05:34.48 | Lulia | That would all be covered in the first pass through |
| 05:35.26 | Lulia | Though, hmm |
| 05:37.45 | Mirrormn | good luck fighting your idiocy, I'm going to bed |
| 05:37.49 | Lulia | :P |
| 05:37.50 | Lulia | Night |
| 05:39.33 | ccox | Jerub - oh, and I've never talked to a GM in game (just on the phone, or by email) |
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| 05:42.38 | Lulia | Alright, now I know the textures should be showing too |
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| 05:58.19 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
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| 06:21.16 | ccox | 1155 dps as a level 62 frost mage.... why do I feel a nerf coming? |
| 06:22.17 | unfo- | ccox, loool :D |
| 06:22.33 | unfo- | ccox, i was happy that i could make 1.5-1.7 as a lvl 71 ele sham |
| 06:22.37 | Jerub | ccox: like bliz will rebalance old content. |
| 06:23.04 | Jerub | my shammy can heal through anything except me being alt-tabbed at 66 |
| 06:23.55 | ccox | instances are less "can I survive" than "can the tank keep up with my aggro, or should I read a book til the boss gets to 50%" |
| 06:24.49 | nev-mobile | The question is rather, can i survive tanking the boss? |
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| 06:26.47 | unfo- | nev-mobile, well played, sir ;D |
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| 06:40.51 | batrick | does anyone know where i can find more info on the changes to COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 06:40.57 | batrick | in 4.0 |
| 06:41.06 | batrick | seems wowprogramming just has a stub for it |
| 06:41.10 | batrick | and wowwiki is out of date |
| 06:41.18 | batrick | and wowpedia has nothing |
| 06:41.29 | zenzio | did it change? |
| 06:41.40 | batrick | afaict yes |
| 06:42.00 | batrick | uhm |
| 06:42.09 | batrick | did there used to be global variables called argX for events? |
| 06:42.18 | batrick | fuck |
| 06:42.24 | Amarande | grah, I can't believe my DVD burner is this slow when it comes to DVD+R DL's |
| 06:42.27 | batrick | this is what i get for fixing a friend's addon |
| 06:42.59 | zenzio | did he ask you to fix it? |
| 06:43.04 | batrick | she did, yes |
| 06:43.07 | batrick | but she didn't write it |
| 06:43.14 | zenzio | ah, okay |
| 06:43.31 | zenzio | if people ask you to fix what they've written, it's usually a bad sign... at least in my experience |
| 06:43.39 | zenzio | (no dad, that's not how you should do loops) |
| 06:43.40 | batrick | (So COMBAT_LOG_... didn't chagne for those curious) |
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| 06:44.36 | Amarande | zenzio: lemme guess, dad used things like GOTO? |
| 06:44.58 | Amarande | ahhh, the good old days of Commodore BASIC V2 where programs were structured using GOTO. |
| 06:45.26 | Amarande | Now GOTO is a four letter dirty word, pretty much. |
| 06:45.38 | zenzio | thankfully not, but let's just say his website uses seemingly random IDs for different pages. Now that might not be so bad, if each page wasn't named <the id>.php |
| 06:45.44 | zenzio | "oh, that's in 437.php" |
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| 06:46.55 | Amarande | *grumble* stupid keyboard. |
| 06:47.19 | Amarande | zenzio: that reminds me of annoyances like when I was going through my downloads directory deciding what to burn to DVD+R to keep during my imminent disk wipe |
| 06:47.24 | Amarande | and I find this program called setup.exe |
| 06:47.44 | Amarande | because apparently some woolhead thought naming the download for a program just setup.exe would be dandy |
| 06:47.50 | zenzio | I've been pretty happy with my new Microsoft Something-keyboard; fancy gaming keyboard thing... except they removed the right Windows key, and instead of replacing it with something else, they expanded the space bar |
| 06:47.54 | Amarande | then you look at the folder months later and you try vainly to puzzle out what it was the setup FOR. |
| 06:48.01 | zenzio | so now I can't for the life of me do { with only my right hand |
| 06:48.16 | Amarande | I hate Windows keys. I wish my old IBM Model M still worked. |
| 06:48.17 | zenzio | Amarande: yeah, "setup.exe" is horrible |
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| 06:48.34 | Amarande | In fact, I'm now beginning to wonder if I will have an issue installing 7. |
| 06:48.59 | Amarande | My new keyboard is USB, and I already know that when I don't shut Vista down properly, I have to wait out the whole 30 seconds on the "do you want safe mode?" screen for it to decide to start normally, because it *doesn't respond to Enter*. |
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| 06:49.01 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 760 minutes |
| 06:49.10 | zenzio | ... |
| 06:49.32 | zenzio | Shirik's bot is still trying to take over, it would seem |
| 06:49.53 | unfo- | never seen those kinds of modes in irc before :D |
| 06:49.54 | Dagmar | This is why you never give an EDI control of the ship. |
| 06:50.00 | unfo- | Dagmar, ;) |
| 06:50.02 | zenzio | Dagmar: truth |
| 06:50.39 | Amarande | unfo: +q $~a is a token that silences anyone who doesn't have a registered nick, I believe |
| 06:51.09 | Jerub | sounds right. |
| 06:51.09 | Amarande | +r I believe means you have to be identified to a registered nick to join, and +f #shiibot means that's where you'll get sent if you try to join without. |
| 06:51.22 | unfo- | aaah cool, thanks |
| 06:51.24 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, I learned that one from days in #wowwiki |
| 06:51.34 | unfo- | IRCNet has a lot fewer modes available |
| 06:51.36 | Amarande | where I'd come back in after DCing, be on my alternate nick (which isn't registered) |
| 06:51.50 | Amarande | try to switch back to my original one and get, mysteriously, "cannot change nick while banned on channel" and I'd never be able to figure out why |
| 06:51.53 | Jerub | +q is like +b, but you can still join, just can't talk. |
| 06:52.13 | unfo- | like +m for ops |
| 06:52.16 | unfo- | or ops/voices |
| 06:52.17 | krka | test |
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| 07:06.48 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/27/funny-pictures-seal-penguin-mom/ |
| 07:13.34 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: it's 'SCM' on the latest revision, I won't be making it SVN. |
| 07:13.39 | jnwhiteh | if that makes sense |
| 07:13.42 | jnwhiteh | so TG will still need to be updated |
| 07:23.39 | zenzio | http://graphjam.memebase.com/2010/10/27/funny-graphs-hey-i-was-listening-to-that/ - unfortunately, this rings true to me |
| 07:24.31 | Cairenn | same |
| 07:24.48 | jnwhiteh | that is siorioacht and me, to a T =) |
| 07:24.51 | Cairenn | looks at her TV that is currently on |
| 07:24.55 | jnwhiteh | alright gotta go walk into the office =( |
| 07:25.00 | jnwhiteh | bbiab |
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| 07:57.37 | Flowy | how to create a new table in interface-addons? wowwiki is lagged out |
| 07:58.47 | zenzio | what kind of table? |
| 07:59.09 | Flowy | I mean to add new addon there |
| 07:59.50 | zenzio | you want to make a new addon? |
| 08:01.03 | Flowy | yes |
| 08:01.50 | zenzio | just create a folder in the AddOns fold, put a file with the same name as the folder (with .toc appended) and do what you usually do |
| 08:03.15 | zenzio | ... *folder |
| 08:03.41 | Flowy | I mean the list in interface - the options for addon |
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| 08:09.43 | zenzio | oh, you want to add your addons options to the (built-in) options interface? |
| 08:10.35 | Flowy | yes ... found it |
| 08:12.38 | mitch0 | what's the API call to get the player's orientation/facing? |
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| 08:13.48 | mitch0 | ah, GetPlayerFacing |
| 08:14.25 | mitch0 | counterclockwise in radians? meh... |
| 08:14.48 | mitch0 | lua> print(math.PI) |
| 08:14.49 | lua_bot | mitch0: nil |
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| 08:19.24 | jnwhiteh | lua> math.pi |
| 08:19.24 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: 3.1415926535898 |
| 08:19.26 | jnwhiteh | mitch0: ^^ |
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| 08:29.43 | airtonix | man this new healbost is AWESOME..oh wait that's just clique. |
| 08:35.54 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: thanks, found it. figured I won't spam the channel with it and do it in the local lua interpreter instead ;) |
| 08:36.08 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:36.10 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: lol |
| 08:36.11 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 08:36.18 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: what's that from? |
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| 09:01.54 | Mikk | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=73242 <- whisky tango foxtrot |
| 09:01.57 | Mikk | bugged much? |
| 09:08.54 | Mikk | +20 parry, +30 stam gem... from a nightstone |
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| 09:22.37 | jnwhiteh | huh |
| 09:22.46 | jnwhiteh | is it normal for all my textures to be fucked up after the patch? |
| 09:23.08 | Mikk | define all your textures |
| 09:23.15 | Mikk | ui? 3d? |
| 09:23.55 | jnwhiteh | all of my button textures |
| 09:23.55 | jnwhiteh | ui |
| 09:23.57 | jnwhiteh | action bars |
| 09:23.58 | jnwhiteh | default ui |
| 09:24.31 | industrial | huh |
| 09:24.33 | industrial | nop |
| 09:24.34 | industrial | :p |
| 09:34.50 | zenzio | cache issue? |
| 09:35.00 | jnwhiteh | maybe, i'll remove cache and data/cache |
| 09:38.25 | Mikk | gfx card driver shitting itself will also do that |
| 09:38.34 | Mikk | i'd reboot pc before anything else =) |
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| 09:39.31 | zenzio | if it only started with 4.0.1, I'd be more inclined to believe a corrupted cache |
| 09:40.25 | Mikk | i'd be very very very surprised if mr. whitehead only logged onto 4.0.1 the first time today :P |
| 09:41.30 | zenzio | I assume that if he had recently upgraded his drivers, then he's computer literate enough to suspect they could be the cause |
| 09:41.57 | Mikk | you've never had gfx drivers randomly shit themselves and clear it up after a reboot? =) |
| 09:42.00 | Mikk | lucky you! =) |
| 09:42.05 | zenzio | Mikk: nope |
| 09:42.28 | Mikk | happens to me once in a blue moon.. suddenly textures look like a dump of random RAM locations |
| 09:42.30 | zenzio | it's been fairly binary for me; and drivers have never been much of a cause for corruption for me |
| 09:42.37 | zenzio | failed hardware on the other hand has |
| 09:42.49 | zenzio | I was most intrigued when I even got graphical corruption on the POST/BIOS screens |
| 09:42.58 | Mikk | well i guess it could be the card randomly going berserk also |
| 09:43.16 | Mikk | lord knows there's enough software in our hardware these days |
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| 09:55.57 | Computerpunk | External failed: D:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface\Broker_MailBox\libs\LibQTip-1.0: |
| 09:55.57 | Computerpunk | Error: Can't make directory 'D:\Program Files\World of |
| 09:55.57 | Computerpunk | Error: Warcraft\Interface\Broker_MailBox\libs\LibQTip-1.0:': The filename, directory |
| 09:55.57 | Computerpunk | Error: name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. |
| 09:56.02 | Computerpunk | Anyone know why? |
| 09:56.17 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 09:56.29 | jnwhiteh | because you have spaces in the filename, I suspect |
| 09:56.31 | jnwhiteh | and aren't escaping them |
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| 09:58.46 | Computerpunk | Nope, no spaces. |
| 09:58.53 | jnwhiteh | yes there are |
| 09:58.56 | jnwhiteh | World of Warcraft |
| 09:58.57 | jnwhiteh | has spaces |
| 09:58.59 | jnwhiteh | shockingly =) |
| 09:59.03 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 09:59.07 | jnwhiteh | so don't lie to me! |
| 09:59.10 | Computerpunk | k |
| 09:59.11 | Computerpunk | I see. |
| 09:59.14 | Computerpunk | but others aren't giving. |
| 10:01.56 | Elkano | I think it's rather complaining about the : at the end |
| 10:02.38 | jnwhiteh | yah that's likely too |
| 10:02.42 | jnwhiteh | I was guessing :P |
| 10:05.13 | Computerpunk | Thanks Elkano. |
| 10:05.27 | Computerpunk | I just copy pasted from .pkgmeta. |
| 10:05.41 | Computerpunk | Didn't notice that other svn props don't use it. |
| 10:08.50 | Computerpunk | <3 Elk. :3 |
| 10:09.21 | Computerpunk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387877924&postId=273977437071&sid=2000#0 |
| 10:09.22 | Computerpunk | :o |
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| 10:14.09 | Fisker | that wasn't space jnwhiteh |
| 10:14.12 | Fisker | but a white box |
| 10:14.29 | jnwhiteh | your face should be in space! |
| 10:14.42 | Flowy | with AceLocale ... how to get the available locale versions? (mean "enGB", "enUS", ...) |
| 10:14.49 | Fisker | i wish it were jnwhiteh |
| 10:14.59 | Fisker | in that kind of "huge face dominating earth like a god"-type of way |
| 10:16.05 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: there isn't a way |
| 10:16.10 | jnwhiteh | AceLocale is so overkill anyway =/ |
| 10:16.25 | jnwhiteh | from the comments: |
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| 10:16.36 | jnwhiteh | -- Ammo: I still think this is a bad idea, for instance an addon that checks for some ingame string will fail, just because some other addo gives the user the illusion that they can run in a different locale? Ditch this whole thing or allow a setting per 'application'. I'm of the opinion to remove this. |
| 10:16.45 | jnwhiteh | also, there are whitespace errors =) |
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| 10:17.39 | nev-mobile | Quoting acelocale comments, are we! |
| 10:17.40 | nev-mobile | missed whatever is thr topic |
| 10:17.43 | Flowy | for what is AceLocale? |
| 10:17.45 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:17.51 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: I don't understand the question |
| 10:18.02 | zenzio | Flowy: what do you want to do? |
| 10:18.06 | nev-mobile | Dont mind flowy, neither does he |
| 10:18.17 | Flowy | it cant return the list of available languages |
| 10:18.32 | jnwhiteh | No, it cannot. |
| 10:18.36 | jnwhiteh | I just answered that question |
| 10:18.38 | Flowy | how to switch to another than default? |
| 10:18.50 | jnwhiteh | You can just do it if you want |
| 10:18.52 | jnwhiteh | by calling SetLocale |
| 10:18.59 | jnwhiteh | and it'll fall back on the 'base' locale if its not there |
| 10:19.00 | jnwhiteh | afaik |
| 10:19.03 | jnwhiteh | but in general, we don't do that |
| 10:19.09 | jnwhiteh | you run the locale that the client runs |
| 10:19.09 | nev-mobile | You cannot switch. It just gives you strings in the games locale. |
| 10:19.31 | jnwhiteh | h8acelocale |
| 10:19.54 | zenzio | that needs a space |
| 10:20.08 | zenzio | I thought you were making some joke in hungarian notation |
| 10:20.15 | Fisker | turns jnwhiteh into a white box |
| 10:20.16 | zenzio | (the 8 looked like a B) |
| 10:20.22 | Fisker | (no homo) |
| 10:20.36 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:20.36 | nev-mobile | Its just a convenience around setting up your own metatable, it doesnt do any magic |
| 10:21.06 | jnwhiteh | its a lot of code to do a simple metatable =) |
| 10:21.11 | jnwhiteh | that's all I'm saying :P |
| 10:22.24 | nev-mobile | Half of it is comments on first glance. :D |
| 10:22.31 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:22.57 | nev-mobile | But yeah, you can surely do it yourself in a couple of lines |
| 10:23.26 | jnwhiteh | hrm, I'm 9 commits past my last release |
| 10:23.32 | jnwhiteh | I think the code works as well |
| 10:24.56 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.17 | jnwhiteh | I <3 the addonName, addonTbl change.. it lets me implement 90% of of AceAddon and all related functionality in a simple way :P |
| 10:25.43 | Flowy | where to find anything about LibStub? |
| 10:25.58 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub |
| 10:26.01 | jnwhiteh | or look at the code |
| 10:26.03 | jnwhiteh | its well documented |
| 10:26.11 | jnwhiteh | but what do you want to know about it |
| 10:26.13 | jnwhiteh | all of the authors are here =) |
| 10:26.37 | jnwhiteh | nev-mobile: update wowwiki from your phone, it tells people to set an external =) |
| 10:26.39 | jnwhiteh | bad kaelten |
| 10:26.48 | nev-mobile | He wont read code, or documentation, thats not his thing. |
| 10:27.05 | nev-mobile | Cide wanted to ban him for laziness |
| 10:27.08 | Flowy | nev-mobile rly? |
| 10:27.21 | jnwhiteh | well to be fair |
| 10:27.27 | jnwhiteh | the first result on google 'LibStub' is the page I linked. |
| 10:27.29 | zenzio | I'm not convinced if he's lazy or just not good enough with English to understand a lot of the resources |
| 10:27.42 | nev-mobile | I can update wowpedia, its not blocked from my work pc |
| 10:27.54 | nev-mobile | Wowwiki is blocked, screw it. :P |
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| 10:29.18 | nev-mobile | Eh, for all i care addons can external libstub |
| 10:29.45 | nev-mobile | Its not a wowace specific guide or anything |
| 10:30.09 | nev-mobile | Just libs should always hardcopy it =) |
| 10:30.26 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: Do you have any questions? |
| 10:31.08 | nev-mobile | Anyhow, lunch! |
| 10:32.16 | Flowy | I create a local table in file and assign it to NewLibrary("name") then I can load this table in another file, right? |
| 10:37.59 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: yes, but you don't need LibStub for that at all |
| 10:38.01 | jnwhiteh | its complete overkill |
| 10:38.05 | jnwhiteh | just set the global variable instead. |
| 10:38.49 | jnwhiteh | does QTip suck |
| 10:38.56 | jnwhiteh | or did the suckage decrease? |
| 10:40.56 | Computerpunk | jnwhiteh, well, it's still really weird to use. |
| 10:41.04 | jnwhiteh | Computerpunk: what is? |
| 10:41.08 | Computerpunk | QTip |
| 10:41.14 | Computerpunk | I'd use Tablet, but dunno how to integrate in LDB plugins, yet. |
| 10:41.15 | Computerpunk | ;D |
| 10:41.28 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:41.37 | jnwhiteh | Who writes Broker_Cpu_Mem? |
| 10:42.02 | Computerpunk | merah. |
| 10:42.08 | Computerpunk | Whoever he is. |
| 10:42.10 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 10:42.15 | Computerpunk | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/brokercpu.aspx <- ? |
| 10:42.24 | Computerpunk | We could rewrite it. :o |
| 10:42.30 | Computerpunk | you up for it? XD |
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| 10:43.37 | jnwhiteh | blarg, no |
| 10:43.42 | jnwhiteh | I have to rewrite LH and TomTom first |
| 10:43.59 | Computerpunk | :3 |
| 10:44.14 | Computerpunk | Atlas and AtlasLoot -> Obsolete in 4.0.3. |
| 10:44.14 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 10:45.27 | jnwhiteh | I need a new vim colorscheme |
| 10:46.36 | jnwhiteh | I'm bouncing between wombat256 and vividchalk |
| 10:46.43 | jnwhiteh | but the comment color in vividchalk is a bit too... vivid. |
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| 10:49.29 | Cide | hi |
| 10:49.33 | jnwhiteh | hi. |
| 10:51.48 | Computerpunk | hi. |
| 10:51.53 | jnwhiteh | hi. |
| 10:52.23 | Computerpunk | the thing is, QTip has a bloated way of adding lines and stuff. |
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| 10:52.49 | Computerpunk | tooltip:AddLine(L["New"]) |
| 10:52.49 | Computerpunk | tooltip:SetCell(2, 2, self.db.char.new or "No data", fontWhite) |
| 10:52.59 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 10:53.06 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 10:56.46 | unfo- | jnwhiteh, desert ^__^ or vibrant ink |
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| 11:17.52 | zenzio | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11640129 - oops |
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| 12:18.51 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2711/ |
| 12:18.58 | Flowy | would it work as I want to? |
| 12:22.23 | Wobin | possibly |
| 12:22.29 | Wobin | but I'd advise against it |
| 12:22.35 | Wobin | cause you'll come back in a month or two |
| 12:22.46 | Wobin | and ask yourself "wtf does that do?" |
| 12:23.20 | Flowy | no it cant ... found issue |
| 12:23.36 | Flowy | it would hook a function |
| 12:23.44 | Flowy | and add to return list something |
| 12:24.02 | Wobin | don't overcomplicate by trying to oversimplify |
| 12:24.14 | Flowy | how do you do this? |
| 12:24.32 | Wobin | single line functions may be all tricky and awesome, but they're invariably more work than is worthwhile |
| 12:24.44 | Wobin | what are you trying to do? |
| 12:25.03 | Flowy | place a function into localization file |
| 12:25.21 | Flowy | that hooks a function and adds new language to "return" list |
| 12:25.42 | Wobin | why are you trying to do this? |
| 12:25.55 | Flowy | acelocale sucks ... |
| 12:26.17 | Flowy | and dont have idea how it will work with libstub |
| 12:26.22 | Wobin | you can't add another locale? |
| 12:26.29 | Wobin | the ... uh.. normal way? |
| 12:27.48 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 12:27.58 | Wobin | howdy kael |
| 12:28.14 | Flowy | create a table of strings ... if I create a multi tables then I get a much useless data and need to get the language that I want to use for each string |
| 12:29.05 | Wobin | isn't that the point of acelocale? |
| 12:29.08 | Flowy | if I create just one table that is rewrited on function then dont know how to get allowed langueges? |
| 12:29.09 | Wobin | to do that for you? |
| 12:29.27 | Flowy | acelocale dont returns the list of langueges |
| 12:29.52 | Wobin | I didn't think icelandic was a supported language |
| 12:30.18 | Flowy | it would be nerdish ... just not default wow langs |
| 12:30.30 | Wobin | er slovak |
| 12:31.15 | Flowy | its just a many tables with strings |
| 12:31.38 | Flowy | noone known what each string in each table means |
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| 12:32.39 | Flowy | nobody knows |
| 12:33.09 | nev-mobile | I know, but i won't tell you |
| 12:34.07 | Flowy | ??????????,???????? |
| 12:34.13 | Flowy | try to explain that |
| 12:34.16 | Flowy | and dont use google |
| 12:34.35 | nev-mobile | I am google |
| 12:35.01 | Flowy | dont use yourself ... |
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| 12:40.46 | Flowy | there is a way that I save the name of function that chage language into global ... but its too easy |
| 12:41.17 | amro | common problem in software engineering, shit being too easy |
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| 12:42.27 | zenzio | that's why god invented Assembly and Perl |
| 12:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 12:42.35 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
| 12:42.48 | zenzio | gives peppy a snack too |
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| 12:47.30 | Flowy | lua> _G["fo".."o"] = function() return true; end; return foo() |
| 12:47.31 | lua_bot | Flowy: true |
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| 12:51.19 | nev-mobile | Alestane :( |
| 12:51.31 | nev-mobile | The secure handlers broke :( |
| 12:51.31 | alestane | What now? |
| 12:52.10 | alestane | Is this the thing Tuller was talking about yesterday? |
| 12:52.27 | nev-mobile | @ticket wow/bartender4 454 |
| 12:52.27 | nev-mobile | Hmm |
| 12:52.28 | Repo | nev-mobile: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/tickets/454 - Bartender4 not working under latest beta build (13221). Reported by: Bareno. Type: Defect. Updated: 6 hours ago. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Nevcairiel. Votes: 0. Comments: 2 |
| 12:52.33 | nev-mobile | Ah |
| 12:52.44 | jnwhiteh | header:Execute[foo = true] |
| 12:52.46 | jnwhiteh | that fails |
| 12:52.48 | jnwhiteh | well, header:Execute[[foo = true]] |
| 12:52.50 | jnwhiteh | will fail with a bas environment error |
| 12:52.52 | jnwhiteh | alestane: ^^ |
| 12:53.10 | nev-mobile | From my understanding of the code, it never creates the headers environment table |
| 12:53.15 | nev-mobile | So when it trys to use it, it errors |
| 12:53.23 | alestane | Iriel was, I think, the last person to touch the code in question. |
| 12:53.28 | alestane | But I'll look it over. |
| 12:53.29 | jnwhiteh | which is odd, because that was the issue it had with the secure handlers |
| 12:53.39 | jnwhiteh | I don't think anyone is interested in blame, just the fix =) |
| 12:53.46 | nev-mobile | Indeed! |
| 12:53.47 | alestane | Well, yes. |
| 12:53.50 | jnwhiteh | I was gonna grab Dan when he comes on, but alas |
| 12:53.52 | alestane | I'm not really either. |
| 12:53.52 | jnwhiteh | West Coast :P |
| 12:54.00 | jnwhiteh | I know =) |
| 12:55.01 | alestane | Just that I didn't dig into whatever it was that he did, and I'm pretty sure that it arises as a result of something he did to make my code 'safer,' so I'm afraid that anything I change will make him uneasy, is all. |
| 12:55.39 | jnwhiteh | well if I can help in any way, let me know. |
| 12:55.43 | alestane | Is this only on the beta? |
| 12:55.47 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:55.47 | nev-mobile | Its safe, alright. :D |
| 12:55.53 | jnwhiteh | with the latest patch |
| 12:55.56 | nev-mobile | Yes, yesterdays patch |
| 12:56.25 | alestane | Then can someone get me a copy of the latest Beta Restricted* and Secure* files, so that I can make sure I'm looking at all the right code? |
| 12:57.03 | jnwhiteh | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/cat |
| 12:57.07 | nev-mobile | Tekkub has them iin his git |
| 12:57.09 | jnwhiteh | I believe that is correct |
| 12:57.12 | nev-mobile | Doh too slow. :) |
| 12:58.46 | nev-mobile | The offending change seems to be the removal of the withCreate set to true on GetManagedEnvironment calls |
| 12:58.52 | nev-mobile | At least thats what i think. |
| 12:59.27 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 12:59.30 | jnwhiteh | - local environment = GetManagedEnvironment(self, true); |
| 12:59.30 | jnwhiteh | +local environment = GetManagedEnvironment(self); |
| 13:00.00 | jnwhiteh | also looks like there was a change from spaces to tabs |
| 13:00.03 | jnwhiteh | in the same changeset |
| 13:00.10 | jnwhiteh | but that's consistent with what kd3 said about whitespace changes overall |
| 13:00.18 | jnwhiteh | that just makes the diff a bit nastier to view |
| 13:00.26 | mitch0 | diff -b |
| 13:00.26 | nev-mobile | Yeah it made reading the diff harder |
| 13:00.40 | alestane | Well, I wasn't clear on what the whitespace policy was. |
| 13:00.59 | jnwhiteh | it's either three spaces or tabs |
| 13:01.03 | jnwhiteh | I completely don't recall off the top of my head |
| 13:01.10 | alestane | I thought I was normalizing it to spaces, but now apparently it's supposed to be tabs. |
| 13:01.15 | alestane | So I've been reverting it. |
| 13:01.17 | jnwhiteh | looks like tabs. |
| 13:01.24 | zenzio | "local environment"... that just makes me chuckle |
| 13:01.30 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:02.00 | jnwhiteh | alestane: here's a diff from the previous build, with whitespace removed |
| 13:02.00 | jnwhiteh | http://pastey.net/142190 |
| 13:02.01 | alestane | And that change would cause that problem, and wasn't in one of my files, so I suspect this happened as a result of a file desynchronization issue between Daniel and myself. |
| 13:02.16 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 13:02.23 | jnwhiteh | totes understandable |
| 13:02.26 | jnwhiteh | just bad for addon users on beta =) |
| 13:02.58 | alestane | Which file did this occur in? |
| 13:03.11 | jnwhiteh | SecureHandlers.lua is missing the second flag all over the place |
| 13:03.12 | nev-mobile | I was all excited that my pickupspell fix was finally in, but i guess i have to wait a while to continue coding, hehe |
| 13:03.20 | alestane | That probably is my fault. |
| 13:03.29 | jnwhiteh | http://pastey.net/142190/920 |
| 13:03.34 | jnwhiteh | line 920 shows an examplke |
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| 13:03.46 | jnwhiteh | in SecureHandler_Self_Execute |
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| 13:03.56 | Kraps | morning |
| 13:04.01 | alestane | Iriel added the flag to the signature, then in a later build added it to the calls as well, then I think I uploaded a version without the fix. |
| 13:04.03 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 13:04.10 | alestane | Because I was fixing something else. |
| 13:04.41 | nev-mobile | You should get some vcs. : |
| 13:04.48 | nev-mobile | :D |
| 13:06.03 | nev-mobile | I just hope blizz pushes that fix through a bit faster. :) |
| 13:06.06 | amro | I've been playing too much sc2, read that as SCV |
| 13:06.25 | unfo- | SCV GOOD TO GO |
| 13:06.35 | zenzio | could be worse, you could've read it as CSV... or CVS |
| 13:07.52 | Computerpunk | Any reason why my chrome doesn't open pastey.net |
| 13:07.53 | Computerpunk | ? |
| 13:07.53 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 13:08.17 | amro | extra newlines in the header is my bet |
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| 13:18.02 | Napoleone | what about now |
| 13:18.04 | Napoleone | weee ;P |
| 13:18.42 | Napoleone | how do i get text on my checkbutton.. luastyle |
| 13:18.58 | Napoleone | lc_rtankb = CreateFrame("CheckButton", lc_rtankb ,lc_rlooter,"ChatConfigCheckButtonTemplate"); and a setpoint. set.. thats it |
| 13:19.25 | alestane | nev-mobile: Putting in your PickupSpell fix is probably what broke it. |
| 13:21.31 | alestane | And for the record, it looks like it was probably my fault after all. |
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| 13:22.00 | Napoleone | Button:SetText("text") doesnt work |
| 13:22.34 | alestane | CheckButtons don't normally display an inherent text string. |
| 13:22.57 | Napoleone | well it has like a 150px area on the right that is clickeable |
| 13:23.01 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: use the right template, and address the fontstring included in the template |
| 13:23.01 | alestane | The CheckButtons in the stock UI use templates that contain another string under $parentLabel. |
| 13:23.02 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:23.42 | alestane | So typically, _G[Button:GetName().."Label"]:SetText("text") |
| 13:24.06 | alestane | Unless they added parentKey="label" to the templates while I wasn't looking. |
| 13:25.07 | jnwhiteh | alestane: I think they did in one or two places |
| 13:25.13 | jnwhiteh | but not enough, sadly =) |
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| 13:27.58 | Napoleone | <ButtonText name="$parentNormalText"> |
| 13:28.36 | jnwhiteh | if that's the template your using then use that =) |
| 13:29.17 | krka | argh, don't leave tags unclosed like that! i'll help you out this one time: </ButtonText> |
| 13:29.41 | Napoleone | thats from Framexml |
| 13:30.10 | jnwhiteh | and that is not the entire tag |
| 13:30.11 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:34.06 | Napoleone | problem is that the getname() returns nil |
| 13:34.46 | jnwhiteh | then name your frame? |
| 13:34.59 | jnwhiteh | you can't use Blizzard's templates without naming your frames, as a general rule |
| 13:35.06 | Napoleone | CreateFrame("CheckButton", lc_rtankb ,lc_rlooter,"ChatConfigCheckButtonTemplate"); |
| 13:35.30 | jnwhiteh | lc_rtankb is almost certainly nil |
| 13:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want to serve the sheeple today, unless it's with mint sauce. |
| 13:35.54 | alestane | Hmm. I used to keep a shortcut to FileMerge inside my WoW install folder, but I think the updater has started cleaning it out or something. |
| 13:36.51 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.55 | Lopeppeppy | Would not surprise me, these last few updates are full of thwart. |
| 13:37.24 | zenzio | Napoleone: what value does lc_rtankb have *before* that line? |
| 13:37.31 | Napoleone | none |
| 13:37.35 | zenzio | bingo |
| 13:37.39 | jnwhiteh | then you're not naming the frame |
| 13:37.44 | jnwhiteh | variable assignment doesn' twork like that |
| 13:38.02 | jnwhiteh | you want to do lc_rtankb = CreateFrame("CheckButton" ,"SomeNameHere", lc_rlooter, "ChatConfigCheckButtonTemplate") |
| 13:38.48 | Napoleone | ok |
| 13:38.56 | Napoleone | so it need to be "stringed up" |
| 13:39.06 | jnwhiteh | no, you need to give it a name, plain and simple |
| 13:39.08 | jnwhiteh | you were not doing this before. |
| 13:39.37 | amro | http://chzbobshouseofvideogames.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/37545cc0-264a-4f3e-b74f-48020a482f54.jpg |
| 13:39.40 | zenzio | roughly speaking, that line goes from right to left |
| 13:39.50 | Napoleone | thanks now it starts to make sense ;P |
| 13:41.38 | Kraps | the how to paladin series is brilliant |
| 13:41.53 | zenzio | is it anything like Alamo's durid guide? |
| 13:41.58 | jnwhiteh | Kraps: yes =) |
| 13:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | Where do I find this brilliance for my viewing pleasure, Kraps? I am uneducated. |
| 13:43.03 | jnwhiteh | ~g How to Paladin |
| 13:43.08 | jnwhiteh | doesn't one of the bots do that? =) |
| 13:43.17 | zenzio | yes |
| 13:43.24 | zenzio | might be !g |
| 13:43.34 | jnwhiteh | !g How to Paladin |
| 13:43.35 | batbot | jnwhiteh: YouTube - How to paladin <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNXAG2sHxpY> |
| 13:43.39 | jnwhiteh | there we go :P |
| 13:43.48 | Ackis | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/gemilicious/ looks interesting |
| 13:43.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. The google search gave me way too many different hits. |
| 13:44.02 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:44.05 | Fisker | Ackis btw |
| 13:44.08 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: indeed! |
| 13:44.21 | Fisker | why are you wasting precious CS resources by asking for your AT rep to be fixed? |
| 13:44.30 | Ackis | hi Fisker |
| 13:44.35 | mikma | !g buttsecks again |
| 13:44.36 | batbot | mikma: demotivational poster SURPRISE BUTTSECKS! The Lone Ranger rides ... <http://www.motifake.com/surprise-buttsecks-animals-sex-dogs-raccoons-demotivational-poster-73078.html> |
| 13:44.43 | Fisker | hi Ackis |
| 13:45.02 | Ackis | Fisker: because it was bugged out and shouldn't have been reset? |
| 13:45.03 | Cide | why waste precious CS resources when you can just say shibbol... ah shit |
| 13:45.38 | unfo- | shibboleeeeeet |
| 13:49.53 | Computerpunk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387877924&postId=273977437071&sid=2000#0 |
| 13:49.55 | Computerpunk | interesting post |
| 13:50.53 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard is not likely to do any throttle like that |
| 13:50.56 | jnwhiteh | its just not how they work =) |
| 13:51.12 | jnwhiteh | they're more likely to try and fix the underlying problems with some code changes |
| 13:51.16 | jnwhiteh | that's just a band-aid. |
| 13:51.20 | unfo- | Computerpunk, thanks for that |
| 13:51.28 | Computerpunk | unfo-, why? o_O |
| 13:52.00 | Computerpunk | Anyone wanna try a Stahanovism AddOn with me? |
| 13:52.00 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 13:52.15 | mikma | what's that |
| 13:52.32 | Kraps | "It's like Ernest Hemmingway made a video series: everyone who experiences it wants to kill themselves." |
| 13:52.41 | Computerpunk | Well, lemme explain. |
| 13:52.54 | Computerpunk | You set a daily target on XP, Rep, Gold, JP, HP, anything. |
| 13:53.07 | Computerpunk | Records stats, and make graphics to see your progress. |
| 13:53.07 | Computerpunk | ;o |
| 13:53.13 | unfo- | Computerpunk, it was ... interesting? |
| 13:53.18 | Computerpunk | basically a bit off the stahanovism thing. |
| 13:53.28 | amro | jnwhiteh: that's not how they work? since when is blizzard above hacks and workarounds? |
| 13:53.33 | Computerpunk | because you'd have to overcome the natural and become supernatural |
| 13:53.43 | jnwhiteh | amro: they're not.. but they don't use throttles =) |
| 13:54.06 | Computerpunk | But basically, it would tell you if you're slacking, even by your standards. |
| 13:54.37 | Ackis | why so smiley today jnwhiteh? |
| 13:54.44 | jnwhiteh | BECAUSE THINGS ARE FUN |
| 13:54.47 | Computerpunk | For one, this would motivate me to change my play style, etc. A graph statistic showing me low stats would so motivate me to do more. |
| 13:54.51 | Ackis | rawr! |
| 13:54.57 | Computerpunk | things? |
| 13:55.23 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: you forgot to smile there! |
| 13:55.49 | amro | it's hard to yell and smile at the same time |
| 13:55.49 | jnwhiteh | no, it would have been too much |
| 13:55.50 | alestane | One of my students told me it was much easier for him to get into his sales job once he realized how much the sales metrics charts looked like Recount. He's that kind of person. |
| 13:56.07 | jnwhiteh | alestane: that's really cool =) |
| 13:56.47 | alestane | He plays a hunter; he's just not happy unless he's at the top of the DPS graph. |
| 13:56.55 | Computerpunk | ^I feel him. |
| 13:56.56 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 13:57.16 | zenzio | I remember how much fun we had back in SSC, watching our two hunters try to outdo each other |
| 13:57.35 | Fisker | it should have reset Ackis |
| 13:57.42 | Fisker | when you change faction your AT rep resets |
| 13:57.50 | Ackis | yes Fisker I know that |
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| 13:58.04 | Ackis | but it also states if you change back, everything goes back to what it was |
| 13:58.11 | Ackis | Horde -> Ally -> Horde |
| 13:58.12 | Fisker | except AT rep |
| 13:58.18 | Ackis | it's supposed to |
| 13:58.20 | alestane | And if I played teh hardcoarz, and saw that I was second by 30 DPS or whatever, I'd be like, "Hey, I guess I'm doing pretty good." He'd be going "SO...DAMN...CLOSE!" |
| 13:58.24 | Fisker | not according to EU |
| 13:58.30 | Ackis | EU sucks |
| 13:58.38 | Fisker | it's the same game |
| 13:58.39 | Fisker | so i doubt it |
| 13:58.46 | Kraps | so Lopeppeppy, what do you say to the cinematic brilliance that is how to paladin? |
| 13:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | I say that I don't have sound at work, so I sent myself an email to check them out at home. :) |
| 13:59.45 | Kraps | awww |
| 14:00.40 | jnwhiteh | yeah it is NOT the same without sound |
| 14:01.18 | Napoleone | ok my masters |
| 14:01.32 | jnwhiteh | ok my PhD |
| 14:01.44 | Napoleone | i cant setpoint on the text to move it to the other size. and set the region size down |
| 14:02.01 | jnwhiteh | don't use that template, make one of your own |
| 14:02.03 | jnwhiteh | that's what they are there for! |
| 14:02.06 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 14:02.33 | Napoleone | xml is too confusing for me.. |
| 14:02.45 | Napoleone | redoing them in lua instead. makes sense for me there ;) |
| 14:02.51 | jnwhiteh | then don't use templates |
| 14:02.54 | jnwhiteh | do it all manually |
| 14:02.59 | jnwhiteh | its a 100% direct translation from XML to Lua |
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| 14:04.19 | Napoleone | i dont know.. for me its strange |
| 14:04.54 | jnwhiteh | give me an XML example |
| 14:04.58 | jnwhiteh | and I'll show you how to convert it to Lua |
| 14:05.03 | jnwhiteh | its 100% straightforward :P |
| 14:05.21 | Napoleone | ok where to paste? |
| 14:05.33 | jnwhiteh | paste.pocoo.org |
| 14:05.35 | jnwhiteh | pastey.net |
| 14:05.36 | jnwhiteh | whatevs |
| 14:05.39 | Napoleone | ChatConfigFrame.xml line 141++ |
| 14:06.17 | jnwhiteh | spo |
| 14:06.18 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282664/ |
| 14:06.47 | Napoleone | with the ending </checkbutton> yes ;P |
| 14:06.48 | Kraps | http://www.massively.com/2010/10/12/the-soapbox-dont-hate-the-game-hate-the-copy/ |
| 14:10.19 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282676/ |
| 14:10.45 | jnwhiteh | the only thing not included is the urgency |
| 14:10.58 | jnwhiteh | because that's new, and I dont know that there's a point behind it, or that there's an API function for it. |
| 14:11.06 | jnwhiteh | its a line by line translation |
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| 14:11.57 | jnwhiteh | and forgiving any typos I made, should work. |
| 14:13.23 | Fisker | what does it mean Kraps ? |
| 14:13.40 | Kraps | its so intense Fisker |
| 14:13.41 | Ackis | does anyone know about rules governing health care usage (ie: don't go to emergency with a sprained finger or you're getting fined/going to jail) in their country? |
| 14:14.07 | mitch0 | don't think we have anything like that here |
| 14:14.28 | mitch0 | the guys at the emergency might kick your butt for it though |
| 14:15.01 | Fisker | we're not fucked up mitch0 |
| 14:15.18 | Fisker | except norway is a bit better than us :( |
| 14:15.20 | Fisker | jerk norway |
| 14:15.22 | Fisker | jerk haste |
| 14:15.24 | alestane | Or transfer you back out of emergency care as soon as they identified the problem. |
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| 14:16.03 | Ackis | yeah I'm looking for laws preventing that in any jurisdiction |
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| 14:16.39 | Lopeppeppy | There are some rules for hospitals requring them to treat all life-threatening emergencies, whether or not the person has insurance. |
| 14:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | The US is increasingly opening "walk in clinics" and "urgent care centers" to try to take the non-serious emergencies out of the ER. So that you'd go to an ER from the ambulance, but are encouraged to go to a walk-in or urgent care otherwise. |
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| 14:21.14 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh <3 again ;) |
| 14:22.35 | Napoleone | one more question how to use lua code as a template how to set it up? |
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| 14:26.29 | Fisker | walks into Lopeppeppy's clinic for urgent care |
| 14:27.05 | jnwhiteh | you'd have to make a function |
| 14:27.56 | jnwhiteh | i.e. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282685/ would do it |
| 14:28.02 | jnwhiteh | do you see how the translation was done |
| 14:28.02 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 14:28.22 | jnwhiteh | I understand you'd need a bit of knowledge of how to do X with Lua, but this should get you quite far with making these sorts of changes |
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| 14:29.31 | Napoleone | 2 sec |
| 14:30.44 | Napoleone | i see that part. hmm then i mycheckbutton = CreateFrame("CheckButton", "rc_bc_1", UIParent, "MakeMyCheckButton") |
| 14:30.46 | Napoleone | ? |
| 14:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | triages Fisker behind Ackis' broken finger and Shirik's carpal tunnel syndrom. |
| 14:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | Syndrome, even. Gosh I can't spell when I'm sleep deprived. |
| 14:33.33 | Maldivia | Napoleone: mycheckbutton = MakeMyCheckButton("rc_bc_1") |
| 14:33.35 | Computerpunk | Lopeppeppy, I'ma go sleep now, and not sleep for 48 hours. |
| 14:33.35 | Computerpunk | ftw. |
| 14:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 14:33.42 | Lopeppeppy | ARGH! |
| 14:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | It sucks, Computerpunk, why do that voluntarily? |
| 14:34.04 | Napoleone | Maldivia seems like my brain havent woken up yet.. lol that made soo much sense ;) |
| 14:35.17 | Maldivia | Napoleone: if you look at the code jnwhiteh pasted, you can see that the function creates the frame in the first line and returns it from the function in the last .9 |
| 14:35.40 | Napoleone | ye |
| 14:35.47 | Napoleone | my brain is still in bed ;) |
| 14:36.22 | Ackis | abusefilter |
| 14:37.31 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: no, just mycheckbutton = MakeMyCheckButton("Foo") |
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| 14:40.40 | Ackis | is it correct that MentalPower had a beer shower at blizzcon? |
| 14:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 14:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | MP, you never told me! |
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| 14:45.13 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: that'll work, thanks :) |
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| 14:57.29 | Elkano | btw, where are the addon author community dinner pictures? |
| 14:58.19 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn put some stuff up on Facebook... |
| 14:58.54 | nevcairiel | ew facebook. |
| 14:59.01 | nevcairiel | so they own everyones photo now |
| 14:59.32 | Elkano | so there are none (as FB doesn't exist for me...) |
| 15:00.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, check the MMOUI site to see if anyone posted anywhere else. |
| 15:02.00 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh is the mastah ;) |
| 15:02.02 | Elkano | they used to make a news about it the last years :( |
| 15:02.14 | jnwhiteh | They've just gotten back =) |
| 15:02.21 | Napoleone | elkano aswell ;) |
| 15:05.43 | cog|work | ugt morning |
| 15:07.10 | Elkano | morning cog |
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| 15:07.19 | Ackis | hi cog|work |
| 15:07.24 | Fisker | hi Ackis |
| 15:07.52 | Fisker | ok screw you then |
| 15:09.16 | Ackis | hi Fisker |
| 15:09.21 | Ackis | I tabbed out to a diff channel |
| 15:09.22 | Ackis | sorry |
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| 15:09.48 | kneeki | Morning everyone! |
| 15:10.26 | cog|work | no u |
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| 15:11.33 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh |
| 15:11.43 | Napoleone | in that template fundtion what does the return even do? |
| 15:11.54 | jnwhiteh | returns the button object to the caller |
| 15:12.09 | jnwhiteh | in case they want it and don't want to have to look it up by name. |
| 15:12.54 | Shirik | ok valgrind gurus |
| 15:12.58 | Shirik | Why doesn't valgrind pick this up? http://wowi.pastey.net/142194 |
| 15:13.14 | zenzelezz | Valgrind doesn't do URLs |
| 15:13.24 | Shirik | I just get an infinite loop (because i follows a so &a[4] == &i |
| 15:13.38 | Shirik | where I expect valgrind to be telling me that I'm writing outside of the bounds of the array |
| 15:14.46 | Napoleone | trying to make a sub template for the fontstring |
| 15:14.59 | jnwhiteh | you dont need to |
| 15:15.05 | jnwhiteh | add it to the function you already ahve |
| 15:15.08 | Napoleone | saves a few lines |
| 15:15.12 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 15:15.12 | jnwhiteh | no, it doesn't. |
| 15:15.35 | zenzelezz | don't do complexity for complexity's sake |
| 15:16.51 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282701/ |
| 15:17.10 | jnwhiteh | usage: newButton = MakeMyCheckButton("MyButton", "Hello World!") |
| 15:17.28 | jnwhiteh | its anchored to the right of the checkbutton |
| 15:17.31 | jnwhiteh | you can obviously change that |
| 15:17.35 | Napoleone | ye |
| 15:18.07 | Napoleone | hmm simple question the . in naming is part of the name right |
| 15:18.19 | Napoleone | name_goes.here: |
| 15:18.19 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 15:18.22 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:18.25 | jnwhiteh | those are Lua tables |
| 15:18.29 | jnwhiteh | something you clearly need to learn about =) |
| 15:18.31 | Napoleone | more tables lol |
| 15:18.42 | alestane | Lua is ALL about tables. |
| 15:18.44 | jnwhiteh | almost everything in Lua is a table |
| 15:18.46 | jnwhiteh | that's all there is |
| 15:18.55 | jnwhiteh | tables, booleans, strings, numbers, functions |
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| 15:18.59 | Napoleone | been trying. but my learning curve is still by examples. not reading something and then understanding ;) |
| 15:19.04 | jnwhiteh | and that's pretty much it (with just a small lie) |
| 15:19.12 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: my entire book is example driven |
| 15:19.15 | jnwhiteh | *shruggles* |
| 15:19.15 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:19.23 | Napoleone | i know... in xml |
| 15:19.25 | Napoleone | mostly |
| 15:19.27 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:19.30 | jnwhiteh | this is in chapters 1-6 |
| 15:19.37 | Flowy | jnwhiteh and nil ... dont forget nil |
| 15:19.40 | jnwhiteh | which has absolutely no xml |
| 15:19.49 | jnwhiteh | so I respectfully disagree. |
| 15:19.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:20.01 | Cide | and the book is awesome |
| 15:20.03 | Napoleone | but chapter 10 is about templates in xml ;) |
| 15:20.07 | Napoleone | book is awesome |
| 15:20.08 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: yes |
| 15:20.08 | Cide | so awesome I bought 3 copies |
| 15:20.10 | jnwhiteh | so you skipped 9 chapters |
| 15:20.14 | jnwhiteh | missing vital Lua stuff |
| 15:20.18 | jnwhiteh | so you can do something in a language you don't know? |
| 15:20.19 | Napoleone | didnt skip it |
| 15:20.26 | nevcairiel | Cide: i lost 2 of my 3 |
| 15:20.29 | jnwhiteh | then why don't you understand tables? |
| 15:20.34 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:20.45 | Cide | I should donate one to the school library |
| 15:20.48 | kneeki | I'm using a table now! |
| 15:20.49 | Cide | nevcairiel: how'd you lose them? |
| 15:20.54 | jnwhiteh | Cide: the Blizzard library has a few of them :P |
| 15:20.54 | kneeki | A fold up table. :( |
| 15:20.57 | jnwhiteh | but they're always checked out. |
| 15:20.59 | Napoleone | again. read it 4 or 5 times... but since my brain doesnt work that way.. i need to do example upon example. |
| 15:21.05 | jnwhiteh | there ARE examples |
| 15:21.07 | Cide | jnwhiteh: well I don't have the recent version |
| 15:21.11 | jnwhiteh | and they drill into you what the code is doing |
| 15:21.15 | nevcairiel | Cide: i kinda don't know where they ended up after i movied |
| 15:21.16 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure what else to say |
| 15:21.23 | Cide | nevcairiel: ah :P |
| 15:21.27 | kneeki | Napoleone: What's the problem your having? |
| 15:21.28 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: button.text = <something> |
| 15:21.35 | jnwhiteh | is the same as button["text"] = <something> |
| 15:21.37 | nevcairiel | still have the one copy though |
| 15:21.51 | jnwhiteh | which means, in the table 'button', set the "text" key to <something> |
| 15:21.59 | kneeki | jnwhiteh: <-- right |
| 15:22.04 | jnwhiteh | so afterwards, the code can call button.text:SetText("foo") |
| 15:22.12 | jnwhiteh | since button.text contains the font string, which has a SetText method |
| 15:22.55 | Napoleone | didnt know it passes a table in the function |
| 15:23.02 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't |
| 15:23.11 | kneeki | o.- |
| 15:23.14 | jnwhiteh | local button = CreateFrame() is where the 'button' 'table' comes from |
| 15:23.19 | zenzelezz | lua is like HTML before CSS, full of tables |
| 15:23.20 | jnwhiteh | a frame in WoW is a Lua table |
| 15:23.22 | jnwhiteh | with a bit of decoration |
| 15:23.27 | jnwhiteh | so CreateFrame returns that table |
| 15:23.47 | jnwhiteh | as does CreateFontString() |
| 15:23.51 | jnwhiteh | so button.text is itself a table |
| 15:24.14 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 15:24.17 | jnwhiteh | there should be a local at the top |
| 15:24.20 | jnwhiteh | i.e .local button = CreateFrame |
| 15:24.22 | jnwhiteh | totes my bad. |
| 15:24.40 | jnwhiteh | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282708/ |
| 15:24.42 | kneeki | I think you're getting to deep. Think of button.text as an easy way to globaly call this font strong you created. |
| 15:24.49 | brandonjviles | i think pil also explains tables quite well |
| 15:24.52 | kneeki | That is, if you made it global anyway |
| 15:24.55 | jnwhiteh | brandonjviles: it does |
| 15:25.04 | Cide | pil explains everything quite well |
| 15:25.07 | jnwhiteh | I use the same terminology in the tables chapter in wowp, as much as possible |
| 15:25.09 | Cide | * I haven't actually read it |
| 15:25.11 | jnwhiteh | for that reason |
| 15:25.12 | brandonjviles | well |
| 15:25.26 | jnwhiteh | kneeki: the word 'globally' in what you just said is very misleading =) |
| 15:25.29 | brandonjviles | some of pill is a little lacking in my opinion |
| 15:25.29 | Napoleone | pil doesnt explain anythign for me.. sorry |
| 15:25.35 | Cide | yes it does |
| 15:25.37 | kneeki | jnwhiteh: I'm a very misleading person. |
| 15:25.39 | Cide | you're just too lazy to read it |
| 15:25.41 | Cide | and learn it |
| 15:25.44 | brandonjviles | read it |
| 15:25.46 | Cide | it explains everything you need |
| 15:25.51 | brandonjviles | start from the start |
| 15:26.03 | jnwhiteh | PiL is also examples from start to finish |
| 15:26.03 | Napoleone | did a number of times. and why are we now trolling on me again |
| 15:26.13 | Cide | trolling? |
| 15:26.15 | Cide | we're not trolling |
| 15:26.25 | kneeki | It's called force feeding knowledge |
| 15:26.29 | zenzelezz | they're not trolling. It's clear that you're not too familiar with lua |
| 15:26.30 | Cide | I just notice that you repeatedly ask for help yet you make no effort of learning on your ow |
| 15:26.33 | Cide | nown |
| 15:26.36 | Cide | own |
| 15:26.45 | jnwhiteh | Cide: to be fair, you don't know that he's making no effort, you're assuming. |
| 15:26.51 | Cide | true |
| 15:26.52 | jnwhiteh | Not everyone learns the same way, and some people find things difficult |
| 15:27.08 | Cide | but never once does he back up his pleas for help with "I've checked X, I've googled Y, I've read Z" |
| 15:27.08 | jnwhiteh | However, people also prematurely limit themselves by convincing themselves that they can or cannot learn in a given way. |
| 15:27.14 | nevcairiel | you missed our other learning resistant person earlier today Cide |
| 15:27.20 | jnwhiteh | Especially when the way he claims to learn is precisely how both books are written. |
| 15:27.23 | Cide | see lulia's questions for help for a contrary example |
| 15:27.43 | Cide | and floo/flowy's for an obscene example in the line of Napoleone |
| 15:27.49 | Cide | nevcairiel: I'm glad |
| 15:27.56 | Flowy | ha ha |
| 15:28.05 | Cide | what's funny? |
| 15:28.11 | Flowy | you |
| 15:28.15 | Cide | no |
| 15:28.20 | Cide | I'm completely serious and not funny |
| 15:28.27 | nevcairiel | bah, he is still here |
| 15:28.34 | Cide | indeed |
| 15:28.44 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: I highly suggest going through the line-by-line examples on http://www.lua.org/pil/2.5.html again |
| 15:28.47 | jnwhiteh | it may help make things a bit clearer |
| 15:28.52 | Cide | also |
| 15:28.59 | Cide | people have a tendency to read programming code examples |
| 15:29.02 | Cide | try them out. |
| 15:29.05 | jnwhiteh | Cide: mistake! |
| 15:29.08 | Cide | vary the parameters, see what changes |
| 15:29.09 | jnwhiteh | Cide: indeed, always type shit yourself. |
| 15:29.14 | jnwhiteh | play, experiment |
| 15:29.17 | kneeki | Napoleone: Do you have a bit of code in the pasty you can send to us (or have you already?) |
| 15:29.17 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:29.30 | Napoleone | code what? |
| 15:29.32 | jnwhiteh | kneeki: i've been working with him, its all my code |
| 15:29.39 | jnwhiteh | he doesn't have a specific question that is unanswered right now. |
| 15:29.41 | kneeki | Ah nvm |
| 15:29.44 | Napoleone | modtly your code ;) |
| 15:29.51 | kneeki | I thought he was stuck on a problem or trying to do something |
| 15:29.55 | jnwhiteh | every line in that pastey is mine =) |
| 15:29.59 | jnwhiteh | kthx! |
| 15:30.02 | Napoleone | when I'm silent.. I'm either sleeping, modding, eating. |
| 15:30.10 | Cide | thank god |
| 15:30.17 | jnwhiteh | when I am not talking, I am not talking. |
| 15:30.20 | jnwhiteh | FYI =) |
| 15:30.22 | Cide | if you were a robot we would be stuck here helping you all the time |
| 15:30.32 | Napoleone | haha |
| 15:30.36 | Cide | makes me think of Flowy yet again |
| 15:30.44 | Cide | are you sure you're human Flowy? |
| 15:30.51 | kneeki | Speaking of robots! They canceled Caprica! |
| 15:31.01 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 15:31.06 | nevcairiel | kneeki: not surprising |
| 15:31.10 | zenzelezz | a spin-off that's not successful? HOW CAN THIS BE! |
| 15:31.11 | kneeki | I hear they are staring up a new series though, called "Blood and Chrome" or some such |
| 15:31.13 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 15:31.25 | Fisker | did Blizzard fix the whole multiple real id logins problem? |
| 15:31.26 | kneeki | zenzelezz: I liked the story a lot. Even though it was REALLY slow compared to BSG |
| 15:31.31 | nevcairiel | If its anything like Blood and Sand, it'll be awesome |
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| 15:31.38 | kneeki | Haha! |
| 15:31.40 | nevcairiel | Cide: a robot would have better linguistic skills, methinks |
| 15:31.47 | kneeki | Blood and Sand was/is EPIC! |
| 15:31.56 | zenzelezz | kneeki: don't think they've shown it over here yet |
| 15:32.08 | nevcairiel | They haven't |
| 15:32.12 | nevcairiel | yet, i still know it |
| 15:32.14 | nevcairiel | how can this be |
| 15:32.26 | zenzelezz | I didn't know you lived in my country |
| 15:32.38 | nevcairiel | on your continent, anyway |
| 15:32.45 | Napoleone | wonder if i can make the LFG icons as a check button |
| 15:32.50 | zenzelezz | have they not exported it at all? |
| 15:33.03 | nevcairiel | dunno, maybe to the UK |
| 15:33.08 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: you can set whatever textures you'd like |
| 15:33.14 | Napoleone | i know ;P |
| 15:33.19 | jnwhiteh | but the easiest way would be to create a texture in the background, with the checkbutton on top |
| 15:33.21 | Napoleone | thats the idea i just got ;) |
| 15:33.29 | Napoleone | my thought atm ;) |
| 15:33.44 | jnwhiteh | there's also a reason I don't do templates in Lua |
| 15:33.46 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 15:33.49 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:33.57 | jnwhiteh | but both are certainloy valid. |
| 15:33.58 | Cide | doesn't dongle do that? :) |
| 15:34.00 | Flowy | Cide you forced me to read whole pil to get that what I was trying is impossible ... now I am like you ... are you human? |
| 15:34.00 | Cide | effectively |
| 15:34.11 | nevcairiel | template in lua? you mean factory functions? |
| 15:34.14 | jnwhiteh | Cide: Dongle doesn't do anything with that |
| 15:34.20 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: basically, yeah |
| 15:34.26 | Cide | I thought you made a simpler implementation of CT_Library in it |
| 15:34.30 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 15:34.33 | jnwhiteh | there was a Dongleframes |
| 15:34.35 | Cide | or tem |
| 15:34.35 | jnwhiteh | but its buried somewhere |
| 15:34.37 | jnwhiteh | Tem wrote it |
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| 15:34.42 | Cide | ah |
| 15:34.49 | Cide | then my own implementation reigns supreme yet again |
| 15:34.50 | Cide | ! |
| 15:34.51 | jnwhiteh | it was nice, but it wasn't my cup of tea. |
| 15:35.01 | Cide | Flowy: I'm very human |
| 15:35.42 | Flowy | this means that you are more than human? |
| 15:35.51 | zenzelezz | he's superhuman |
| 15:35.52 | Cide | I'm superhuman, yes |
| 15:36.06 | Cide | but that means I've been misunderstood |
| 15:36.22 | Cide | ^ best song |
| 15:36.30 | Flowy | sorry but Im just human ... cant understand what is superhuman ... |
| 15:36.58 | Cide | I have no idea where you're going |
| 15:36.58 | Flowy | like wow classic cant understand wlk |
| 15:37.12 | Cide | even less of an idea |
| 15:37.33 | Cide | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIIrRgxD2oY ) |
| 15:38.14 | Zhinjio | Man, I'm so glad I always left jobs on good terms with people. One of my old managers just wrote me a great LinkedIn review |
| 15:38.30 | jnwhiteh | Zhinjio: that's always really nice! |
| 15:39.03 | Zhinjio | yeah, totally. I'm pretty pleased. |
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| 15:41.35 | nicoli_s | i need to make a linkedin profile but im just so lazy and unprofessional |
| 15:42.23 | kneeki | Cide: That's a fantastic song |
| 15:43.28 | Cide | yes, yes it is |
| 15:44.06 | Fisker | lol southpark |
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| 15:47.43 | nicoli_s | that south park was great |
| 15:47.49 | nicoli_s | one of the nerdiest ones ive ever seen |
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| 15:50.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.48 | cog|work | ohai |
| 15:52.10 | Lunessa | ohai2u |
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| 15:56.29 | Flowy | is there any example of creating a scroll group in AceGUI? |
| 15:57.12 | Flowy | mean ScrollFrame |
| 15:57.25 | Cide | google knows |
| 15:58.04 | nevcairiel | the page with all the acegui examples has one! |
| 16:00.14 | Flowy | nevcairiel just the old one |
| 16:00.18 | Flowy | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceGUI_3.x_Widgets#ScrollFrame |
| 16:00.39 | cog|work | gah... i'm watching some brutal campaign walkthroughs and he keeps saying Turret as if it were spelled Turrent |
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| 16:01.08 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:01.16 | Fisker | i liked DP nicoli_s |
| 16:01.39 | cog|work | tries not to figure out what you're saying |
| 16:01.57 | Fisker | kisses cog|work |
| 16:02.01 | Ackis | cog|work: peehole + bum |
| 16:02.34 | zenzelezz | cog|work: I had a raid leader who kept pronouncing "poison" as "potion" |
| 16:03.15 | cog|work | in fairness, i used to think there was an L in tabard -_- |
| 16:03.47 | zenzelezz | and I keep seeing forum posters write "Sylvannis"... I can't figure that one out |
| 16:04.05 | Jamash | rouges are overpowdered |
| 16:04.25 | alestane | is baking applecrisp. |
| 16:04.35 | Jamash | I just figured out how to implement tracing in lua |
| 16:04.47 | zenzelezz | ray tracing? |
| 16:04.51 | Ackis | cog|work: talbard? |
| 16:04.57 | cog|work | yar |
| 16:04.57 | Jamash | naw, more like strace |
| 16:04.58 | alestane | I dunno, I think apple crisp might be better than that. |
| 16:04.58 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 16:04.59 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/nRq5S.png |
| 16:05.00 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:05.03 | nevcairiel | tablard imho |
| 16:05.05 | Jamash | it involves metatables |
| 16:05.32 | zenzelezz | "exhaulted" |
| 16:05.36 | Jamash | talbuk |
| 16:06.56 | Fisker | GET IT cog|work ? |
| 16:07.54 | zenzelezz | so Slashdot has an interesting theory about Caprica... "Another perspective here might be that a boring, ponderous show got yoinked because nobody watched it. Just sayin'." |
| 16:08.06 | Jamash | the female worgen model is finally enabled in beta |
| 16:08.08 | Kraps | finally finished the first max payne |
| 16:08.16 | Jamash | let the dancing on mailboxes begin |
| 16:08.17 | nevcairiel | Jamash: has been for a while |
| 16:08.22 | nevcairiel | but the dance is new |
| 16:08.55 | zenzelezz | Kraps: I hope you didn't start playing it when it was released, or you sure took your time |
| 16:09.12 | Jamash | nevcairiel: has it? I was under the impression that female worgen used the male model up until the most recent build |
| 16:09.14 | Kraps | zenzelezz: :D |
| 16:09.24 | nevcairiel | nah, was on for a few builds already |
| 16:15.41 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6514/ lololololol |
| 16:17.02 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 16:17.04 | Fisker | WHY DO YOU LOL? |
| 16:17.12 | Ackis | lol Kraps |
| 16:17.14 | Ackis | lol Fisker |
| 16:17.14 | Fisker | and why don't you get it cog|work? :( |
| 16:17.16 | Ackis | lol Thunder_Child |
| 16:17.34 | Ackis | lol abusefilter |
| 16:18.12 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 16:18.23 | Jamash | lol butts |
| 16:18.38 | Lunessa | The female worgen model grabs her anatomy most suggestively. |
| 16:18.46 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 16:18.52 | Fisker | i think "lol butts" is very funny |
| 16:18.54 | Jamash | Jamash |
| 16:19.24 | Jamash | butts are inherently funny |
| 16:20.30 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: yet when men grab the female anatomy suggestively it's suddenly wrong |
| 16:21.11 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Good touch, bad touch. I'm just sayin'. |
| 16:21.37 | Jamash | show me on your body where the bad doll touched you |
| 16:21.51 | zenzelezz | I'd say the rank is roughly, good touch, bad touch, iPod Touch |
| 16:22.07 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 16:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | IPhone! |
| 16:22.12 | Kraps | Y SO SRS |
| 16:22.13 | Fisker | Krapsmen |
| 16:22.38 | Fisker | ipunch Lopeppeppy |
| 16:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | iLook at Fisker with big soft brown eyes while iEviscerate him! |
| 16:23.18 | Kraps | ifisker |
| 16:23.22 | Fisker | actually i was thinking about the drink |
| 16:23.27 | Fisker | but sure punching works too |
| 16:23.57 | Jamash | iRC |
| 16:24.36 | Fisker | oh u iJamash |
| 16:24.44 | Kraps | "Not a big baseball fan, but I have two dollars." hehe |
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| 16:29.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: whats numen like? |
| 16:31.39 | Fisker | ssd's fuck yeah |
| 16:31.47 | Fisker | http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27180 |
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| 16:33.44 | Jamash | call me when the price per GB is competitive with magnetic storage |
| 16:35.10 | nevcairiel | maybe we should start measuring drives in price per GB per second |
| 16:35.27 | Jamash | where do seconds come in? |
| 16:35.43 | haste | write/read speeds! |
| 16:35.47 | haste | they are more important! |
| 16:35.51 | Jamash | how long it takes to load wow? |
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| 16:36.00 | nevcairiel | sure if you want |
| 16:36.48 | Fisker | iops is moar important |
| 16:37.21 | Jamash | seek time is more important! |
| 16:37.30 | nevcairiel | there is no seek time with ssds |
| 16:37.33 | nevcairiel | so they win |
| 16:38.02 | Jamash | OR IS THERE? |
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| 16:38.22 | Fisker | there's travel time for the electrons basically :P |
| 16:38.46 | nevcairiel | but its not "seek time". it doesn't matter which block you request from the drive |
| 16:39.04 | Jamash | OR DOES IT? |
| 16:39.09 | nevcairiel | nop, it doesn't |
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| 16:46.29 | nevcairiel | Shirik: fix your damn bot already |
| 16:46.41 | nevcairiel | also, someone remove the +q $~a |
| 16:46.52 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh, Kaelten, Shadowed ^ |
| 16:49.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:49.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q $~a] by Shirik |
| 16:49.26 | nevcairiel | it set that pretty randomly earlier today |
| 16:49.30 | Shirik | !quit |
| 16:49.33 | Shirik | ... |
| 16:49.37 | Shirik | !quote PART #wowuidev gtfo |
| 16:49.38 | batbot | Shirik, part has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 16:49.42 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:49.44 | Shirik | he's not even here |
| 16:49.53 | nevcairiel | someone kicked him probably =) |
| 16:49.56 | Shirik | no he timed out |
| 16:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent. |
| 16:49.58 | Cide | your bot is so fail |
| 16:50.02 | Shirik | He probably lagged out |
| 16:50.03 | Cide | :> |
| 16:50.07 | Shirik | and as he was lagging out he saw a million messages |
| 16:50.24 | syrae | Shirik: the sky is full of staaarrrs.... |
| 16:51.01 | nevcairiel | Lulia: you can talk again =p |
| 16:51.14 | Lulia | Well, I just registered with the NickServ I think, anyways |
| 16:51.16 | Lulia | Not sure |
| 16:51.17 | alestane | Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21865.html |
| 16:51.20 | Flowy | syrae if it is not a LED ... |
| 16:51.42 | syrae | Flowy: damnit. Thanks for reminding me that I have to work on that project again |
| 16:51.49 | syrae | -_- |
| 16:52.03 | Lunessa | alestane: So many responses, so little self-restraint... |
| 16:52.26 | Lulia | How do I know if my nick has been registered? |
| 16:53.19 | syrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, why would you self-restrain? |
| 16:54.10 | Fisker | my Shirik |
| 16:54.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Lonely night? |
| 16:54.16 | ccox | self-restraint is not something I normally associate with Lunessa |
| 16:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | True that, Lunessa. |
| 16:54.34 | Lulia | Nothing happened, hmm |
| 16:55.11 | Lulia | oh, herp derp, got an e-mail from it |
| 16:55.22 | alestane | Says you have not completed registration verification. |
| 16:55.33 | Lunessa | ccox: If I failed to restrain my natural impulses this channel would be a much stranger place, right up to the point where I got banned. |
| 16:55.34 | alestane | I think they want you to affirm you're really a person. |
| 16:55.51 | Lulia | Well I just sent the verify :) |
| 16:55.56 | ccox | Oh, so Lunessa could get more Luny? |
| 16:55.59 | Lulia | Hopefully I is now registered. |
| 16:56.10 | Lunessa | And vicious. |
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| 16:57.42 | Lulia | That sounds frightening |
| 16:57.49 | alestane | Doesn't say you haven't completed registration anymore. |
| 16:58.03 | Lulia | Doesn't give any info when I sent the msg to Nickserv though |
| 16:58.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (~Cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 16:58.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.55 | Lulia | So, will it require a password when I log-in now? |
| 17:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | steals Lunessa into the Private(s) Channel. |
| 17:00.34 | Lunessa | waggles his eyebrows salaciously. |
| 17:01.20 | syrae | whut? |
| 17:01.24 | syrae | just happened there? |
| 17:01.25 | alestane | I've never heard of anyone wagging their eyebrows abstemiously. |
| 17:01.28 | Lulia | Uh |
| 17:01.36 | Lopeppeppy | He could try. |
| 17:01.50 | Lulia | Right... |
| 17:01.58 | syrae | Lulia: logging in is optional, but it will prompt you when you join freenode to identify yourself |
| 17:02.02 | Lunessa | No, that's a different look. I don't use it much. |
| 17:02.02 | alestane | Lulia, you should be able to set your client to supply whatever password you attached to your nick registration when you connect. |
| 17:02.07 | ccox | syrae: it's called innuendo and suggestion, happens a lot around here |
| 17:02.34 | syrae | ccox: usually I'm the one that starts it, but I don't know you guys well enough yet |
| 17:02.43 | syrae | just... eyebrow waggling?!? |
| 17:02.47 | ccox | well, we can certainly fix THAT! |
| 17:02.55 | ccox | :-P |
| 17:02.58 | Jamash | Lulia: you want to set it to /msg nickserv identify <your password> |
| 17:03.06 | Lulia | Guess I should try it out |
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| 17:04.27 | Lulia | login |
| 17:04.29 | Lulia | oops |
| 17:04.34 | Jamash | mmhmm |
| 17:04.47 | Lulia | alias fail >.> |
| 17:04.48 | syrae | Jamash: sometimes, I think you're a bot |
| 17:05.07 | Jamash | my secret has been discovered! AMNESIA DUST! |
| 17:05.11 | Lunessa | syrae: Never watched Groucho Marx? |
| 17:05.36 | Jamash | throws a handful of white flour at syrae |
| 17:05.43 | syrae | Lunessa: not really. |
| 17:06.00 | Lunessa | syrae: Then you really should. |
| 17:06.01 | Shirik | Cide |
| 17:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | White flour is poison, eeeew. |
| 17:06.01 | syrae | Jamash: syraes are not edible |
| 17:06.02 | Shirik | ping |
| 17:06.19 | Jamash | hostname not found |
| 17:06.29 | Flowy | Jamash: was it anthrax? |
| 17:06.58 | Jamash | iThrax |
| 17:07.12 | Jamash | syrae: What makes you think I'm a bot? |
| 17:07.50 | Shirik | I am a bot |
| 17:07.57 | syrae | Shirik: I know |
| 17:07.57 | Jamash | we knew that |
| 17:08.03 | syrae | Jamash: somewhat short replies that seem sometimes only kinda on topic. |
| 17:08.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: That rides the Tower of Terror! |
| 17:08.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Kody- (~nope@70-36-245-200.dsl.static.sonic.net) |
| 17:08.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Kody-] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | You guys went on the rides? Scary!! |
| 17:08.39 | Shirik | I didn't even know there was a handle to hold on to! |
| 17:08.46 | Jamash | syrae: As opposed to everyone else on this channel? |
| 17:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | I am known professionally as She Who Watches Bags While Others Go To Their Doom |
| 17:09.02 | Lopeppeppy | F that for a lark, you guys are nuts! :) |
| 17:09.31 | syrae | Jamash: I donno. You just seem to talk more like the chat bots I've messed with which are seeded by channel logs. I know you're not... but it's amusing |
| 17:09.43 | Jamash | I'm from Usenet |
| 17:09.51 | ccox | No, you're confusing him with Fisker |
| 17:09.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Actually, I didn't go on that one, because I had a very full tummy and sudden drops were contra-indicated. |
| 17:09.56 | Jamash | it's like australia, but nerdier |
| 17:10.13 | syrae | Jamash: I am familiar with Usenet |
| 17:10.14 | Lopeppeppy | Adrenaline is soooo over-rated. :) |
| 17:10.37 | Jamash | specifically, I used to hang out in alt.religion.kibology |
| 17:10.45 | syrae | seriously? |
| 17:10.46 | Fisker | who confused who with me? |
| 17:10.54 | Jamash | seriously |
| 17:11.14 | syrae | jesus... it's been a long time since I thought about Kibo |
| 17:11.17 | ccox | wow, that's dedication (or insanity) |
| 17:11.31 | ccox | (says the former denzien of alt.flame) |
| 17:11.36 | syrae | heh |
| 17:12.00 | Jamash | I survived the rec.arts.prose invasion |
| 17:12.06 | ccox | (oh, and alt.fan.mikejittlov) |
| 17:12.07 | Jamash | and all I got was this lousy .sig |
| 17:12.32 | Ackis | blizz just got another $150 of my money |
| 17:12.54 | Lopeppeppy | Holy crap, what did you buy? |
| 17:13.09 | Ackis | 2 blizzcon t-shirts, 3 plushies, and an e-pet |
| 17:13.22 | syrae | heh |
| 17:13.33 | syrae | Ackis: when does the post-con sale go until? |
| 17:13.34 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 17:13.37 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, I will ride coasters only in occasional doses. Waterslides, on the other hand... |
| 17:13.45 | Ackis | not sure, I just deleted the e-mail lol |
| 17:13.48 | Ackis | it started 13 minutes ago |
| 17:14.07 | Lopeppeppy | None of that for me either, they splash! |
| 17:14.13 | Lopeppeppy | Bag duty. I do excellent bag duty! |
| 17:14.17 | syrae | Ackis: how the hell can I be lazy if you don't give me the info? |
| 17:14.25 | Ackis | sorry lazy is my job |
| 17:14.37 | alestane | What's wrong with splash? |
| 17:14.39 | syrae | I can out lazy you any day of the week |
| 17:14.47 | Jamash | Ackis: so if you slack on the job, what does that involve? |
| 17:14.55 | Ackis | Jamash: sleeping |
| 17:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | ... I'm just gonna look at you. Splash is bad, mmmkay? |
| 17:15.01 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:15.31 | Jamash | I seeded an instance of MegaHAL with my file of favorite posts from ARK once. |
| 17:15.38 | Jamash | the results were entertaining. |
| 17:15.51 | Lulia | Bugs are so gratifying when they're easy to fix |
| 17:16.07 | Jamash | which is why you should intentionally insert easy-to-fix bugs |
| 17:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | So you look better later. |
| 17:16.18 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 17:16.52 | Fisker | no hey to you Ackis |
| 17:16.57 | Fisker | wastererofcsrtime |
| 17:17.23 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:17.28 | Lulia | This bug with the Eclipse bar is NOT easy though |
| 17:17.34 | Jamash | csrsgotnuthinbuttime |
| 17:17.36 | alestane | The best-regarded engineers spend much of their time visibly fixing occasional, inconvenient glithces. |
| 17:17.43 | Lulia | I could really use some help with it, but not sure I want to fill up chat like last night. |
| 17:17.49 | Jamash | pastey it |
| 17:18.16 | Jamash | then discuss in whispers |
| 17:18.17 | Ackis | wth, I have to wait 2 weeks before they'll ship the stuff |
| 17:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yeah... I can picture that, Ackis. |
| 17:18.56 | Lulia | Anyone willing to help? |
| 17:18.57 | syrae | damnit... I want to know what the hell Valve is sending me |
| 17:19.04 | Lulia | Unfortunately, I don't have isolated script to pastey |
| 17:19.15 | Ackis | I thought it'd be within a few days Lopeppeppy... and they also lied about shipping & handling charges it looks like... charging me more than they said /growl |
| 17:19.34 | alestane | Probably on account of shipping internationally. |
| 17:19.56 | Ackis | alestane: they gave me a sub-total before which is different than the billing total |
| 17:20.18 | alestane | Then you should get them to explain that. |
| 17:20.18 | Jamash | Ackis surcharge |
| 17:20.43 | Ackis | alestane: trying to find a contact link |
| 17:20.53 | syrae | ... |
| 17:20.57 | Lunessa | Oh ouch: http://www.fmylife.com/love/13621862 |
| 17:20.58 | syrae | oh my god |
| 17:21.28 | Jamash | it's full of stars |
| 17:21.36 | syrae | I just realized |
| 17:21.56 | syrae | That there are people in here from all over the world |
| 17:22.12 | Jamash | nowai |
| 17:22.22 | Lopeppeppy | No way! |
| 17:22.29 | syrae | THINK OF ALL THE AWESOME KINDS OF SUGAR THEY HAVE ACCESS TOO THAT I CAN'T GET IN THE STATES!!!! |
| 17:22.43 | syrae | OH EM GEE |
| 17:23.42 | Lunessa | ... put the crack pipe down, and back away slowly. Get on your hands and knees, then lace your fingers behind your head. Men in nice white coats will collect you shortly. |
| 17:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Kinky |
| 17:24.00 | Jamash | to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time |
| 17:24.13 | mikma | nfsw lol lol lol, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEeOBDmqQg |
| 17:24.29 | syrae | my friends know two things... never give me sugar and never let me raid while sleep deprived |
| 17:24.52 | Ackis | $108.98 + 16.43 (125.41) is what it said I'd be charged yet they charged me 133.39 it looks like... something is kinda fucked up |
| 17:24.56 | alestane | Haha, hoho, heehee, and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats... |
| 17:25.03 | syrae | on the plus side... I now know what happens if you aggro Sarth without killing any trash |
| 17:25.07 | amro | mikma wtf |
| 17:25.18 | Jamash | syrae: sarth+50? |
| 17:25.23 | Lulia | Well, I suppose I should share the general issue: My druid's Eclipse bar frame isn't showing when I log-in, even when it's created and the textures are set. I have to type /reload to get it to work. |
| 17:25.25 | syrae | Jamash: yar. |
| 17:25.47 | alestane | Sounds like you're not checking for it on the right load event then, Lulia. |
| 17:25.48 | syrae | I was hopping into the vortexes and being flung around because I was bored and pretty much about to pass out |
| 17:25.53 | syrae | and one flung me into Sarth |
| 17:25.54 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh |
| 17:26.01 | Lulia | But it's definitely loading, alestane |
| 17:26.03 | amro | it sounds like a printer |
| 17:26.05 | syrae | so I ran to another one to try to escape and got pwned in mid-air |
| 17:26.06 | Napoleone | hey Lulia |
| 17:26.10 | Lulia | The frame is there, you can even move and resize it. |
| 17:26.13 | syrae | and then the raid died |
| 17:26.22 | Lulia | There's just no textures on it. |
| 17:26.27 | alestane | It's loading, yes, but it's setting itself up before your power information has been passed down to the client from the server. |
| 17:26.40 | alestane | At least that's what it sounds like. |
| 17:27.20 | syrae | ok... I need to stop paying attention to you guys because I need to get work done |
| 17:27.28 | syrae | (for realz) |
| 17:27.32 | alestane | Some information, like what spells you know or what your talent spec is, isn't available in the client at initial load until certain events have fired. A reload doesn't have this problem because all that information has already been passed down. |
| 17:27.53 | Lulia | Well, the frame setup happens during P_E_W |
| 17:28.03 | Jamash | P_E_W P_E_W P_E_W |
| 17:29.43 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.57 | Jamash | _G[pp_par] |
| 17:30.08 | Napoleone | Jamash funny you said it.. i just realized it lol |
| 17:30.50 | Ackis | wow it seems blizzard store support is the same as game support |
| 17:31.04 | alestane | WoWPedia suggests some of that infor may not appear until PLAYER_ALIVE, Lulia. |
| 17:31.30 | Lulia | PLAYER_ALIVE happens after P_E_W? |
| 17:31.36 | syrae | yes |
| 17:32.02 | syrae | is doing a bad job of ignoring the channel |
| 17:32.02 | Lulia | Oh... |
| 17:32.10 | Jamash | I was having trouble with companion data availability, so I wrote a snippet that registered for every event and reported back when the information was available |
| 17:32.39 | syrae | Jamash: oh, I'd actually be interested in seeing those results |
| 17:32.48 | Lulia | Hmm, not working with the PLAYER_ALIVE event either |
| 17:32.50 | syrae | that's the same damn trouble I was having in MountThis |
| 17:33.18 | Lulia | I mean, the frames are there, there's just no textures showing on them. It's really odd. |
| 17:33.30 | Jamash | I ended up using UPDATE_BINDINGS |
| 17:33.53 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 17:34.01 | syrae | Jamash: hrm. I think for mine we ended up with a hack on both P_E_W and P_A events |
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| 17:35.05 | syrae | my next addon should have a lot less trouble with that |
| 17:35.07 | Jamash | I was having this bizarre issue where initially companions would be returned in the order the character learned them, but after UPDATE_BINDINGS they would be returned in alpha order |
| 17:35.12 | syrae | since it doesn't care about stuff on load |
| 17:35.15 | Jamash | dunno if that's still true |
| 17:35.26 | syrae | Jamash: that sounds familiar |
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| 17:37.36 | alestane | How are you making the decision to hide or show it, Lulia? |
| 17:38.01 | Lulia | The frames are only made if their primary talent tree is balance, which is causing the major issues. |
| 17:38.14 | Lulia | Since I need to wait until GetPrimaryTalentTree() can return their talents |
| 17:39.46 | Lulia | I get ACTIVE_TALENT_TREE_CHANGED as an event, but it wasn't working, I'll try it again |
| 17:40.21 | Lulia | GROUP* |
| 17:40.26 | Fisker | all hands on deck |
| 17:41.16 | Jamash | all decks on hand |
| 17:42.28 | Lulia | Hmm, ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED doesn't fire on log-in |
| 17:43.58 | Ackis | :| |
| 17:44.19 | Lulia | This bug is going to drive me crazy |
| 17:45.42 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:49.48 | Lulia | Are there any other events I can try? |
| 17:49.49 | mikma | lulia: what's the problem? |
| 17:50.50 | amro | "However, I threw spa 4 and lost timings of the omission well" |
| 17:50.52 | amro | babylon ftl |
| 17:51.44 | alestane | "Maybe matriarchal societies are so difficult for Western male anthropologists to recognize because the expect a culture where men are suffering under the high heels of women--a reverse reflection of the long-standing male oppression of women in Western cultures. Instead, observing a society where most of the men are lounging about relaxed and happy, they conclude they've found yet another patriarchy, thereby missing t |
| 17:51.45 | alestane | he point entirely." |
| 17:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting. |
| 17:52.11 | Lulia | Oh, mikma, basically the gist of it is that my Eclipse Bar power frame is showing when I /reload after logging in, but it doesn't show on log-in. The frames are made and there, but the textures aren't visible. |
| 17:52.48 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 17:52.53 | Ackis | I'm breaking up wiht you Fisker |
| 17:52.54 | Jamash | do what I did |
| 17:53.07 | mikma | lulia: use PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD and create the frame with it |
| 17:53.09 | Jamash | Ackis: But what about the children? THINK OF THE CHILDREN |
| 17:53.17 | amro | Ackis: on irc, no less |
| 17:53.18 | Lulia | I did that, mikma |
| 17:53.20 | alestane | Or as one character in K.S. Robinson's "Green Mars" comments of the Minoans, "The men jumped bulls all day and women all night, and got the women pregnant and worshipped them. It sounds pretty good except for the bulls." |
| 17:53.37 | mikma | lulia: well, pastey.net the code or something |
| 17:53.46 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:53.48 | Lulia | the whole thing or that frame? |
| 17:53.49 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker | why are you breaking up with me? |
| 17:54.00 | mikma | lulia: whole thing |
| 17:54.19 | Ackis | because Fisker you're mean to me and don't treat me with respect |
| 17:54.35 | brandonjviles | lulia, look at faceshooter mod, i know it checks talents, or at the very least class before it will load |
| 17:54.38 | Fisker | that's how it works Ackis |
| 17:55.29 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2716/ there you go |
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| 17:58.53 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: does wowlua have a "run this page on startup" kind of feature? |
| 17:59.04 | mikma | lulia: and whats the use of ATGC in the addon? |
| 17:59.27 | Lulia | ATGC? |
| 17:59.37 | Jamash | active talent group something |
| 17:59.37 | mikma | SpecChange:RegisterEvent("ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED"); |
| 17:59.45 | Lulia | Oh |
| 17:59.51 | Lulia | If they change talents, it could be to balance |
| 17:59.55 | Lulia | So I need to check for that. |
| 18:00.29 | mikma | and you think that GetPrimaryTalentTree() doesn't work at login? |
| 18:00.45 | Lulia | It doesn't until a certain point |
| 18:00.48 | Lulia | That much is clear |
| 18:00.55 | Lulia | It should work after P_E_W and P_A |
| 18:01.04 | Lulia | It seems to, since the frames are created |
| 18:01.26 | mikma | well, in this case you should be adding prints across the code to see what part fails |
| 18:01.36 | Lulia | You dont see them? |
| 18:01.40 | Lulia | That's the odd thing :P |
| 18:01.42 | Lulia | None of it fails. |
| 18:01.47 | Lulia | The textures just don't show... |
| 18:02.01 | mikma | i don't see what? |
| 18:02.09 | alestane | Well, what decides whether to show the textures or not, and where is it getting its bad input? |
| 18:02.14 | Lulia | all of the print() functions |
| 18:02.46 | Lulia | :( |
| 18:02.54 | mikma | add more |
| 18:04.52 | Lulia | added some more, sec |
| 18:05.29 | Shirik | Cide, ping |
| 18:05.40 | Lulia | Hmm, might have found it |
| 18:05.42 | alestane | Have you verified that the textures exist? |
| 18:05.49 | Lulia | Textures are being set to 0 |
| 18:05.54 | Lulia | for no explicable reason |
| 18:05.59 | Lulia | So I have to hunt that otu |
| 18:06.00 | Lulia | out* |
| 18:06.19 | Lulia | oh, I see why |
| 18:06.19 | zenzelezz | "set to 0"? |
| 18:06.20 | Lulia | lol |
| 18:06.28 | Lulia | ahahaha, I feel dumb now :( |
| 18:06.48 | mikma | PowTexture:SetTexture(""); |
| 18:06.51 | mikma | this? :P |
| 18:07.17 | Lulia | No |
| 18:07.22 | zenzelezz | so while I've not really seen many SC2 videos so far, and I'm clueless about multiplayer, I'm sad I haven't seen more than one terran really use nukes... maybe he was just crazy, but man that was fun |
| 18:07.26 | Lulia | When it sets the texture it just sets it to a number |
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| 18:07.32 | Lulia | It doesn't preface it with the image name |
| 18:08.01 | Lulia | PowImg = img .. 1; |
| 18:08.11 | Jamash | NUCLEAR LUNCH DETECTED |
| 18:08.13 | Lulia | sets it to "Interface\\AddOns\\PowerBars\\imgs\0" |
| 18:08.19 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.20 | Lulia | or, oops, 1* |
| 18:08.26 | Lulia | Easy fix |
| 18:08.50 | Shirik | nukes really aren't that effective |
| 18:08.53 | Shirik | except against stupid people |
| 18:09.05 | mikma | shirik: tell that to hirosima |
| 18:09.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:09.15 | amro | Shirik: you haven't seen fast 3 ghost emp+triple nuke on terran |
| 18:09.19 | alestane | Have chimichangas or something, Jamash? |
| 18:09.20 | amro | good bye main |
| 18:09.24 | zenzelezz | Shirik: quite possible, but it was so amusing \o/ |
| 18:09.48 | Ackis | rofl mikma |
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| 18:10.05 | Kraps | more math! http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27397548532/upcoming-tanking-changes/ |
| 18:10.11 | Jamash | ok, fingers crossed that this doesn't cause my addon to implode |
| 18:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | No more math! |
| 18:10.42 | Shirik | 1+1 = 1 on a bun |
| 18:11.02 | Jamash | how many beans make five? |
| 18:11.21 | Lopeppeppy | 3 |
| 18:11.49 | Jamash | one bean, one and a half beans, two beans, and half a bean |
| 18:13.41 | Lulia | Oh, hmm, perhaps not as easy as I thought |
| 18:15.33 | Shirik | I want a powerbar |
| 18:15.51 | Fisker | "wee" |
| 18:15.54 | Fisker | i downloaded cataclysm |
| 18:16.39 | Lopeppeppy | Wheee! |
| 18:17.28 | Fisker | which kinda sucks |
| 18:17.29 | Shirik | oui? |
| 18:17.47 | Fisker | since i got the game from an online store(because i figured it wouldn't be released simultaneously through battle.net |
| 18:17.50 | Fisker | and i got the CE |
| 18:17.54 | Fisker | so 1 CE and 2 Standard games |
| 18:17.58 | Fisker | GG |
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| 18:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh la la, Shirik! |
| 18:21.33 | Lulia | Got it working |
| 18:21.35 | Lulia | thank god |
| 18:21.42 | Lulia | So it actually wasn't as easy as I thought it was. |
| 18:22.03 | Lulia | It actually turns out that the Druid power image wasn't set, because I was running the info getting function before it knew the spec. |
| 18:22.20 | Lulia | So the value for PowerBarsDB.PowSet.PowIMG was nil |
| 18:22.26 | Lulia | for balance druids |
| 18:24.21 | Cide | interesting |
| 18:24.26 | Cide | bloodline champions beta invitation |
| 18:25.04 | Fisker | i disagree with you Cide |
| 18:25.16 | zenzelezz | I got one too, and I hadn't even heard of the game |
| 18:25.25 | industrial | if I make a git submodule it will always take the latest version to clone and use and not the version I added when I committed the .gitmodules? |
| 18:25.42 | industrial | s/s\?/?/ |
| 18:25.48 | Fisker | i wonder if they encrypted the expansion mpq's |
| 18:25.50 | Cide | zenzelezz: I signed up for it like a year ago |
| 18:25.54 | Fisker | (even though it's basically useless but still) |
| 18:26.03 | Cide | zenzelezz: if you aren't planning on using it you should give it to me so I can invite a friend of mine :> |
| 18:26.37 | zenzelezz | if I had realised it was a PvP game I would, but I tried it :-/ |
| 18:26.39 | Ackis | you don't have friends cide |
| 18:26.54 | Cide | well gimme your account then! |
| 18:26.57 | Cide | Ackis: uh huh |
| 18:29.22 | alestane | 'design veteran Ernest Adams questions whether games lack joy, and explains how this emotion is distinct from the often-sought "fun."' |
| 18:29.50 | Fisker | anyone know if the expertise cap at 23 is active now or at cataclysm? |
| 18:30.19 | alestane | "Emotions were all the rage in game design circles a few years back, before casual gaming came along to distract us with big pots of money." |
| 18:31.10 | amro | ãã´ (@magotto3) is now following your tweets (@amro256) on Twitter. well shit, I've never been so motivated to learn japanese |
| 18:31.23 | amro | (or use twitter) |
| 18:33.21 | amro | Rule of thumb: If the people youâre visiting have a bowl of peppermints by the door, youâre in for a long, boring night. |
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| 18:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | Depends, are they individually wrapped, amro, or loose candy in a dish? |
| 18:42.10 | alestane | "Back in 1963, the Leland Stanford Junior University Marching Band underwent a revolution. The students took it over from the university. |
| 18:42.10 | alestane | "They got rid of the traditional Sousa music and quasi-military uniforms (marching bands are the last remaining vestige of the Napoleonic wars) and replaced them with a huge rock 'n roll repertoire and a decidedly non-uniform getup, one element of which is 'the ugliest tie you can get your hands on.' |
| 18:42.10 | alestane | "New instruments arrived: the drum section now includes a stop sign, a beer keg, and a kitchen sink " |
| 18:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like a Stomp or Blue Man Group training facility. |
| 18:43.54 | zenzelezz | screw those |
| 18:43.59 | zenzelezz | watching a proper military tattoo is more fun |
| 18:45.32 | alestane | There's a great category for panning game content: "Huge Breasts and Other Juvenilia." |
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| 18:46.12 | zenzelezz | huge tends to mean out of proportion, so meh |
| 18:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Never understood why most of humanity prefers proportionality and symmetry... except in some areas of body shape. :) |
| 18:48.09 | zenzelezz | I don't care what most of humanity prefers :-p |
| 18:48.42 | Lulia | Now to add numbers to the Eclipse bar :) |
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| 18:49.05 | Lulia | Is there a way to have font-size scale with the size of the frame? |
| 18:49.45 | alestane | That's usually why you use frae scale, I believe. |
| 18:49.46 | amro | Lopeppeppy: that was from conan o'brien's twitter |
| 18:50.15 | Lulia | Well, I meant specifically that when setting a font size I'll need to set a specific size. |
| 18:50.26 | Lulia | If the size of the frame the font is in changes, will the font size also change? |
| 18:50.49 | amro | no |
| 18:51.02 | amro | unless maybe if you scale the frame, not sure how frame scale works |
| 18:51.16 | Lulia | Well yeah, the frame is scaled |
| 18:51.23 | Maldivia | hmm, is the digital pre-order working? |
| 18:51.23 | amro | try it and see |
| 18:51.26 | Lulia | After resize it calculates and scales instead of resizing. |
| 18:51.36 | amro | as for setting different font sizes, remember that each font size has to be created and cached |
| 18:51.41 | amro | can be quite slow |
| 18:51.52 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 18:51.54 | alestane | "This misfeature is profoundly and pointlessly irritating. With the exception of refineries and nuclear power plants, in most places in the world the knob for a door is â wonder of wonders â in the door. Itâs another example of lazy puzzle design, making the problem difficult not by cleverness but artificially extending the time it takes to solve it. " |
| 18:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | random quotes are random, alestane. |
| 18:54.07 | alestane | You knew this, yes? |
| 18:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Who exactly are you talking to? :P |
| 18:54.35 | alestane | Right now I'm reading a set of articles by game design legend Ernest Adams. |
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| 18:54.45 | alestane | And I'm talking to anyone who cares to find them interesting. |
| 18:55.03 | amro | alestane: link? |
| 18:55.17 | alestane | http://www.designersnotebook.com/Design_Resources/No_Twinkie_Database/no_twinkie_database.htm |
| 18:55.58 | Lunessa | More game designers need to read about real world interfaces - The Psychology of Everyday Things for example. |
| 18:56.19 | zenzelezz | http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ipswich-tattooist-charged-over-40cm-penis-tattoo-on-mans-back/story-e6frf7l6-1225943643584 |
| 18:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | I meant about randomness, says the Queen of Random! |
| 18:56.25 | Dagmar | alestane: Good stuff on that page tho |
| 18:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think I make very little sense when I am The Greater Unslept |
| 18:56.43 | Lunessa | shows Lopeppeppy some 'random' things. |
| 18:56.56 | alestane | Which is how long now, Peppy? |
| 18:57.28 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: You'd think people would know by now to not be a d**k to their tattooist |
| 18:57.37 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 18:57.46 | amro | alestane: oh man this is awesome, game designers need to read this at gunpoint before they're allowed to make stuff |
| 18:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | Over a month, alestane. Sept. 21 to present. |
| 18:58.17 | alestane | Wow, really is time for percussive sedation. |
| 18:59.59 | Ackis | amg I got a tweet from amro |
| 19:00.03 | Ackis | amg amg amg amg |
| 19:00.24 | alestane | "Aa! Megami-sama"? |
| 19:00.50 | Lulia | Oooo ooo, psychology! |
| 19:00.52 | Lulia | That's meh field. |
| 19:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | Big sleep bat upside the head. I've got a partner for walkies this weekend, so if I can't sleep at 3am, bastich is waking up and taking me outdoors! |
| 19:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | ... of course, I haven't informed him that these are Official Guest Duties yet. I'm waiting until it's too late. Bwah-ha-ha. |
| 19:02.50 | amro | can someone confirm if steam login is failing or just hates me right now? |
| 19:03.05 | alestane | Who's coming over? |
| 19:03.39 | alestane | "Some years ago, EA had a couple of artists create animations of cheerleaders for a cartridge edition of Madden NFL Football. What they turned in was a feeble little 4-step cycle of women with completely improbable breasts jumping up and down. We fired them and had someone else do it over. |
| 19:03.39 | alestane | "We didn't fire them just because they had done a poor job; we fired them because they were morons who were more interested in indulging their own snickering voyeurism than in delivering what the company needed, and they had wasted our time and our money." |
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| 19:04.33 | alestane | waits behind the door to ambush cairenn. |
| 19:04.34 | Dagmar | looks in the direction of DOA |
| 19:05.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you have a PS3 right? |
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| 19:05.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yes, I do |
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| 19:05.57 | Arrowmaster | have you played Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2? |
| 19:06.00 | Dagmar | I'm kinda thinking most Madden players would view jiggling cheerleader boobies to be a good thing. |
| 19:06.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh, nope. |
| 19:06.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: look up the special feature in that game that used the sixaxis movement sensors |
| 19:07.37 | Fisker | omg lowercase cairenn left wowpedia :( |
| 19:07.39 | Fisker | imposter |
| 19:08.05 | Dagmar | ArrowmasteR: YOu mean like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StztdXn2E9M |
| 19:08.07 | alestane | pounces on Cairenn. Ambush! |
| 19:08.21 | Dagmar | "I gotta say... this feature kinda works" "This is what sixaxis was made for, man!" |
| 19:08.46 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, old old friend from my Argent Dawn raiding group. |
| 19:09.00 | alestane | Cool, Peppy, enjoy the company. |
| 19:09.05 | industrial | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3303 http://github.com/Industrial/vim-smartbd |
| 19:09.09 | industrial | \o/ |
| 19:09.12 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm somewhat unsurprised that that was the _first_ hit on the search |
| 19:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | Many movies and popcorn planned, should be awesome. |
| 19:10.02 | Cairenn | eeps and ducks away from alestane |
| 19:10.10 | mikma | cairenn: cairenn was better than Cairenn! |
| 19:10.16 | alestane | Too late. You have been hugged. |
| 19:10.16 | Cairenn | :( |
| 19:10.25 | mikma | cairenn: did you see the nsfw i linked? |
| 19:10.25 | Cairenn | oh, well if that's all |
| 19:10.30 | Cairenn | no |
| 19:10.50 | mikma | i got 1 wtf with it |
| 19:10.57 | mikma | so it's pretty ok |
| 19:11.03 | industrial | haste: see that? that's handy :P. Do you use splits and :bd a lot ? |
| 19:11.30 | Fisker | i'm the best paladin in the world mikma |
| 19:11.34 | Lulia | How is everyone doing? |
| 19:11.40 | mikma | cairenn: nfsw lol lol lol, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEeOBDmqQg |
| 19:11.51 | mikma | fisker: how to paladin |
| 19:11.59 | haste | industrial: nah, generally abuse <Tab> to switch buffers |
| 19:12.00 | Fisker | awesome mikma |
| 19:12.03 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:12.05 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 19:12.11 | Fisker | you can't have best country in the world |
| 19:12.14 | Lunessa | Go go ghostcrawler: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27397548287/mages-are-fine-eh/ |
| 19:12.29 | haste | Fisker: but we do |
| 19:12.39 | Cairenn | mikma: o.O |
| 19:12.51 | mikma | cairenn: 1 wtf and 1 awesome, now also 1 o.O |
| 19:12.58 | Fisker | well it's understandable haste |
| 19:13.08 | Fisker | we're to busy being retarded |
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| 19:15.07 | Ackis | I have new minions :D |
| 19:15.36 | industrial | haste: me too, but bd for closing a file |
| 19:15.55 | industrial | :bd usually kills off the split, :SmartBd doesnt :) |
| 19:16.08 | industrial | also http://github.com/vim-scripts/Syntastic |
| 19:16.42 | alestane | My wife just texted me: "Grr. I have no chocolate." |
| 19:16.57 | zenzelezz | you ate her chocolate, didn't you |
| 19:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | That is what is known in female circles as a Clue By Four, alestane. |
| 19:17.06 | haste | industrial: I can't say that has annoyed me yet :P |
| 19:17.25 | Lunessa | alestane: This is your fair warning. You should administer chocolate and massage when she walks in the door. |
| 19:17.48 | alestane | Now, it was in the middle of a different conversation. |
| 19:17.57 | Cairenn | alestane: tell Jenna that if you won't take proper care of her any more, I'm willing to step in *eyebrow wiggle* |
| 19:18.08 | alestane | And I have some chocolate as it happens. |
| 19:18.21 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent negotiation goods, alestane. Always keep some handy. |
| 19:18.33 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:18.35 | alestane | Also I have some apple crisp. |
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| 19:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | Administer that after the chocolate, if the chocolate does not suffice. |
| 19:19.12 | alestane | I should see about making some of these cocoa-covered almonds she's been talking about making more of for the last two days. |
| 19:19.13 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cairenn. *huggle* |
| 19:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane, the cocoa covered almonds from Trader Joes are soooooo worth it! Sooooo nomful. |
| 19:19.52 | mikma | when my wife got pregnancy-diabetes i bough her a box of chocolate in a heart-shaped box and told her that if she needs to take 1 because of low bloodsugar, think about me |
| 19:20.13 | Cairenn | mikma: awwwww |
| 19:20.23 | Lulia | hehehe |
| 19:20.35 | alestane | I shall see if this recipe lives in her bookmarks. |
| 19:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I found a new ice cream I can sort of technically eat, from a girlfriend with gestational diabetes. No dairy! Gluten free! No calcium! Lower-impact sugars! Mmmm. |
| 19:21.39 | mikma | lopeppeppy: is it sand? |
| 19:21.56 | alestane | Evan McClanahan said, "If I sneak up behind someone and knife them in the back with one of my characters, as he's keeping my other characters pinned down with The Inexhaustible Machine Gun of Perforation (+2), I expect to get that gun, not an empty corpse with three Futuristic Monetary Units and a stick of gum." |
| 19:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, it's coconut-milk based. Very dreamy. |
| 19:22.22 | mikma | ooh, coco nuts |
| 19:22.36 | Dagmar | alestane: The other side of that coin is unfortunately schlepping back to town with 148 pairs of orc underpants |
| 19:22.36 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: indeed? |
| 19:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | Purely Decadent line, it's near the soy and the organic ice creams in my store. |
| 19:22.50 | Cairenn | hmmmm |
| 19:22.54 | Dagmar | ...because you know gamers, if it can be looted, they'll try to take it back to town to sell it. |
| 19:23.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mint chocolate chip... omg. With just a hint of the coconut... *dies happy* |
| 19:23.21 | Dagmar | EQ took like, a week to decide that wasn't something they wanted goign on. ;) |
| 19:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/purely_decadent_Coconut_Milk.html |
| 19:23.29 | alestane | Or Dirty Trogg Cloth, Dagmar. But there is a line where the loot is *relevant*. |
| 19:23.55 | mikma | whats the "meter limit of alcohol in blood" what cops measure in usa? |
| 19:24.04 | mikma | its not %. aint it? |
| 19:24.10 | Dagmar | You'd need couple of craftable semi trailers to properly loot Naxx |
| 19:24.20 | Dagmar | mikma: It is. |
| 19:24.33 | mikma | and the limit is 0.08%. ? |
| 19:24.35 | Dagmar | 0.08% in most states |
| 19:24.43 | mikma | oh, ok |
| 19:24.53 | Dagmar | It's still 0.10% in a few places here and there I _think_ |
| 19:25.07 | Dagmar | It was originally the slightly higher value in TN |
| 19:25.29 | Napoleone | whats the api to get role of "party1" |
| 19:25.34 | Napoleone | the new system |
| 19:25.40 | mikma | The legal limit for commercial drivers in New York is set at 0.04%. |
| 19:25.43 | mikma | heh |
| 19:25.50 | alestane | "Another corollary to this, sent in by Chris Oates, is the demon woman in a leather thong bikini who drops a full suit of plate armor when she dies. What, she had it with her but didn't feel like putting it on for battle? Did it need to go to the cleaners or something?" |
| 19:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | And there are additional penalties in NY for DUI with kids in the car, now. |
| 19:26.16 | mikma | hahaa |
| 19:27.51 | zenzelezz | alestane: that would be funny, if it wasn't for the fact that people drive without using the seat belt, while talking on the phone, ride bikes without helmets, etc. |
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| 19:28.11 | Angayelle | hai people |
| 19:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn went to get ice cream! :) |
| 19:28.57 | mikma | i had icecream 30mins ago |
| 19:29.10 | Fisker | peer is a jerk? |
| 19:29.33 | mikma | ok, clarify |
| 19:29.47 | mikma | is it %. or % ? |
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| 19:31.53 | Angayelle | api GetTooltipInfo got added in patch 4.0 but couldn't get it to work to make documentation, anyone suceeded ? |
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| 19:32.51 | alestane | turns Cairenn's volume up. |
| 19:33.00 | Cairenn | mmmmrowl! |
| 19:33.02 | Computerpunk | Angayelle, used anywhere in FrameXML? |
| 19:34.29 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, .08% |
| 19:34.59 | mikma | lopeppeppy: thats 0.8%. (promille) :P |
| 19:35.16 | Lopeppeppy | I hate numbers! Rawr. *sigh* |
| 19:35.29 | Angayelle | will check that but tried already with no luck |
| 19:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | the . is, don't bother drinking and driving, it's a miniscule amount! :P |
| 19:35.43 | Angayelle | i'll run a extened search |
| 19:36.45 | mikma | we have 0.05% (0.5%.) here in finland |
| 19:36.54 | mikma | sweden has 0.02% |
| 19:37.23 | brandonjviles | http://www.alcoholcontrols.com/lebaclibyst.html limit by state |
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| 19:39.16 | zenzelezz | "TRANSLATE ME! Launcher must apply updates before opening game replay." o_O |
| 19:40.37 | brandonjviles | Lanzador debe aplicar las actualizaciones antes de abrir reproducción juego. |
| 19:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese. |
| 19:42.14 | brandonjviles | con queso |
| 19:42.24 | mikma | la grande cajones |
| 19:42.34 | mikma | pollo, jajajajajajajjajaaaa, pollo! |
| 19:42.39 | brandonjviles | mama cita tu tienza culo grande |
| 19:43.29 | brandonjviles | what is that mexican hip hop song they play in all the clubs |
| 19:44.05 | brandonjviles | Gasolina! |
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| 19:45.19 | brandonjviles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Xc2dNvKl0 this is a good song |
| 19:46.10 | zenzelezz | my favourite Spanish(y) song would have to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsVRj7VvfWc |
| 19:46.22 | brandonjviles | lol |
| 19:46.24 | brandonjviles | wtf |
| 19:47.06 | Lulia | Alright, so |
| 19:47.14 | Lulia | Fontsize does not change with scale, which creates problems |
| 19:47.32 | Angayelle | SetScale ? |
| 19:48.04 | Lulia | Correct, SetScale doesn't change font size. |
| 19:48.35 | Angayelle | mmmh strange because i use frame:SetScale for my addon and the text size scale well |
| 19:48.49 | Lulia | It's not scaling at all with mine. |
| 19:49.04 | nevcairiel | setscale changes everything, it changes the fonts as well |
| 19:49.09 | Lulia | Mind you, my frame uses resize, then does some math to set the new size to scale instead of a resize. |
| 19:49.10 | nevcairiel | unless you anchored them funny |
| 19:49.11 | Angayelle | you using with command to set font size ? |
| 19:49.46 | Lulia | ? |
| 19:50.01 | Angayelle | nvm just ubnderstood |
| 19:50.39 | Lulia | The font size is set in the initial font command |
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| 19:51.17 | Lulia | But the frame size of the frame it's in is set in a parent frame which can be resized, however, when the parent frame is resized it calculates how much it was resized by and sets it to the nearest scale instead. |
| 19:51.33 | alestane | Are the fontstrings parented directly or indirectly to to the frame whose scale is being changed? |
| 19:51.40 | Angayelle | and you don't use FontInstance:SetFont("font",size[,"flags"]) to resize your text right ? |
| 19:52.48 | Lulia | There's nothing that resizes the font. |
| 19:53.13 | Lulia | The fontstrings are a child of another frame which is a child to the frame which has its scale changed |
| 19:53.30 | Lulia | oh wait |
| 19:53.36 | Lulia | For some reason it's scaling correclty now |
| 19:53.54 | Lulia | Or wait, no |
| 19:54.04 | Lulia | It looks like it's changing size sometimes but it's clearly not scaling |
| 19:55.23 | taroven | Lulia: Try parenting the fontstrings to the frame in question? |
| 19:55.28 | Angayelle | why don't you use frame:SetScale ? to avoid pixelating and blurring ? |
| 19:55.57 | Lulia | I do use frame:SetScale |
| 19:56.35 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2717/ |
| 19:56.38 | Angayelle | well i don't understand why your font don't scale then, sorry |
| 19:56.40 | Lulia | That's the function that does it |
| 19:56.55 | amro | is there a simple webcam viewing app for windows? like cheese |
| 19:57.37 | Lulia | I'll try to parent the font to the scaled frame |
| 19:57.48 | amro | or photo booth |
| 19:58.47 | Lulia | That didn't do it |
| 20:00.28 | taroven | Try forcing it via SetScale on the fontstring. |
| 20:00.54 | Fisker | you will die amro |
| 20:00.59 | Lulia | Erm, okay |
| 20:01.24 | amro | Fisker: are you on steam? |
| 20:01.27 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:01.34 | amro | can't connect here :( |
| 20:01.41 | Fisker | ownt |
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| 20:02.35 | Lulia | erm, cant use SetScale on a fontstring? |
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| 20:04.00 | taroven | Lulia: orite. You may be forced to do something like what Recount does. |
| 20:04.00 | Lulia | Hmm, I may have figured it out. |
| 20:04.31 | taroven | SetFont(font, fontSize*Scale) |
| 20:04.37 | taroven | Or something similar. |
| 20:04.48 | Lulia | Alright |
| 20:05.22 | TC-Work | Kraps! |
| 20:06.19 | taroven | You can use math.min or math.max to set upper and lower bounds. ie, SetFont(font, math.min(fontSize*Scale, fontSize*0.75), etc. |
| 20:06.31 | Cairenn | ooops! http://www.craized.com/photo.php?id=244 |
| 20:06.57 | taroven | (missing parens there, btw) |
| 20:07.03 | Fisker | lol |
| 20:07.22 | nicoli_s | lol, love that kitty one |
| 20:07.26 | alestane | "Call 911" should be seriously larger in that sign. |
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| 20:10.28 | alestane | I've always been fond of "If this sign is underwater, do not attempt crossing." |
| 20:10.44 | Cairenn | yes, but if that is the only thing you see wrong in that sign, I'm re-confirming that eye appt for you, alestane :p |
| 20:10.55 | alestane | No, I see the "lol". |
| 20:11.09 | alestane | "lol" + bacon, in fact. |
| 20:11.14 | brandonjviles | yeah, thats a person drowing with his hans up |
| 20:11.26 | nicoli_s | oh thats what that is |
| 20:11.31 | brandonjviles | lol |
| 20:11.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:11.38 | brandonjviles | see there he is again |
| 20:11.41 | nicoli_s | yeah i missed that one completely |
| 20:11.46 | nicoli_s | context clues fail |
| 20:11.49 | Cairenn | apparently he's drowing in bacon, and laughing about it? |
| 20:11.56 | Cairenn | drowning* |
| 20:12.13 | brandonjviles | oh, i thought you were making fun of my spelling |
| 20:12.18 | Cairenn | no |
| 20:12.19 | Ackis | bacon |
| 20:12.23 | Ackis | om nom nom |
| 20:12.27 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 20:12.28 | alestane | I'm just saying that even if the person seeing the sign doesn't laugh over the unintended netspeak, I had to actually stare at that for a second before I figured out what the sign wanted me to do, should I have the misfortune to see someone drowning. |
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| 20:12.45 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:13.06 | alestane | It's the smallest thing on the sign, when it is intended to be crucial information in a time-critical sutation. |
| 20:13.17 | Cairenn | yep |
| 20:13.25 | brandonjviles | now when you call 911, it doesnt say what your supposed to tell them though |
| 20:13.39 | Shirik | I didn't see the bacon |
| 20:13.41 | Shirik | but I saw the "lol" |
| 20:14.00 | Ackis | laughs at Shirik drowning. |
| 20:14.05 | Ackis | DROWN PRIEST DROWN |
| 20:14.16 | brandonjviles | Levitate? |
| 20:14.35 | Shirik | ^ |
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| 20:15.05 | Ackis | he has a curse dot on him |
| 20:15.07 | Ackis | SoL |
| 20:15.08 | Lulia | Well, taroven, that idea began to work. |
| 20:15.32 | Lulia | Is there a way for me to grab the font's current size? |
| 20:15.45 | Lulia | Right now I have to set it to the base size, which screws up if it's rescaled multiple times. |
| 20:15.59 | Lulia | Actually, wait, I guess I could keep track of that in a variable of my own. |
| 20:16.01 | alestane | This sign is also a favorite of mine: http://picsicio.us/keyword/seagull%20sign/ |
| 20:16.48 | alestane | waves buh-bye to Peppy. |
| 20:16.57 | Lulia | But if there's a function to get fontsize, that's even better |
| 20:17.01 | taroven | Lulia: Was about to say, easier to just use a var. Other than that, you can use GetFont() |
| 20:17.15 | taroven | Same returns as SetFont has for params. |
| 20:17.34 | Lulia | Thanks :) |
| 20:18.47 | alestane | http://www.reallyfunnypictures.co.uk/funnysigns/pic23.php |
| 20:19.00 | Lulia | I was looking for a specific GetFontSize or something >.>, I think I need to check all possibilities from now on |
| 20:19.29 | taroven | Hehe. You'd think, but then again if it's already provided there's no reason for the extra code |
| 20:19.46 | alestane | http://www.goodexperience.com/broken/images/2007/05/15/taxidermy.jpg |
| 20:20.46 | brandonjviles | this is a favoirite of mine near ST. Louis Missouri |
| 20:20.48 | brandonjviles | http://store.nzsw.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=8BA6156E |
| 20:20.48 | taroven | Random question, anyone know of a decent AceConsole alternative for dumping vars with metatables intact? /dump is nice, but seems like it skips over way too much. |
| 20:21.43 | taroven | Doesn't even have to be a CLI, a window showing contents/results would be amazing. |
| 20:22.12 | alestane | At least the makers of that sign look fully aware of how their sign will be interpreted, brandonjviles. |
| 20:22.28 | brandonjviles | lol |
| 20:23.20 | brandonjviles | did you see the guy holding the shot. little cartoon thing |
| 20:23.24 | brandonjviles | on the bottom left |
| 20:24.47 | alestane | The one with the rather phallic nose? |
| 20:24.53 | brandonjviles | damn, im fucking blind |
| 20:24.57 | Cairenn | very carefully doesn't respond |
| 20:25.04 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:25.06 | brandonjviles | didnt even realize he was in the main picture |
| 20:25.15 | brandonjviles | i pay no attention to detail :D |
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| 20:25.58 | alestane | I was about to call you out on it being in the bottom right, although I see it's in both places. |
| 20:26.44 | olafski | so nefarian testing.. wasn't there another encounter with onyxia & nefarian? or did I miss something :P |
| 20:27.09 | Lunessa | Nefarion was in Blackrock Spire and Blackwing Lair |
| 20:27.16 | Fisker | BAM Digital World of Warcraft® Upgrades <-lol |
| 20:27.33 | alestane | He's pure dressing in BRS though. |
| 20:27.36 | alestane | "If the person being escorted simply followed the main character, or stayed in one place, this wouldn't be a problem. Instead, the escorted character runs around unpredictably in such a way that the player loses control over the situation and instead has to react to whatever nonsensical move the AI makes. Tactics are thrown out the window as the escorted character runs into the next source of gunfire." |
| 20:27.41 | brandonjviles | fisker? they released it? |
| 20:28.13 | brandonjviles | ohhh snap! |
| 20:28.43 | Dagmar | If you hold a piece of ethernet up to your ear, you can almost hear the money moving |
| 20:28.47 | Fisker | "BAM" brandonjviles |
| 20:28.54 | cbreak | alestane: sounds like being a real bodyguard for a snobbish rock star |
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| 20:29.19 | olafski | lunessa: what's the other dragon with onyxia then? the one I saw some video of a few days ago :/ |
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| 20:30.02 | Jamash | I think zombie nef and zombie onyxia are in the new raid |
| 20:30.03 | Lunessa | Onyxia and Nefarian are connected. Lovers or sommat. |
| 20:30.27 | Jamash | and/or siblings |
| 20:31.04 | olafski | lunessa: yes.. I knew that.. but seeing as you fight them together it seemed odd to me that nefarian would also be the final boss |
| 20:31.12 | olafski | must've misread it somewhere though |
| 20:31.34 | Lunessa | He's a tough mofo to take out? I mean, he knows to kill the healers first. |
| 20:31.36 | cbreak | onyxia was nef's sister |
| 20:31.37 | olafski | upgraded my account anyhow though.. great stuff, won't have to hammer the servers on december 7th to upgrade it then :P |
| 20:31.43 | olafski | lunessa: :) |
| 20:31.46 | cbreak | but both died zears ago at the hands of my guild |
| 20:31.48 | cbreak | repeatedly |
| 20:31.52 | olafski | lunessa: also knows how to make the healers hurt instead of heal :O |
| 20:32.03 | olafski | cbreak: the zombie versions looked great imo :) |
| 20:32.04 | Lunessa | And breaks all your goddamned weapons. |
| 20:32.26 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:32.36 | olafski | blizzard did some pretty cool stuff back then |
| 20:32.53 | olafski | bosses that you would be guaranteed not to pass without losing at least a few people, instant breaking weapons etc :P |
| 20:33.34 | cbreak | I don't think people would tolerate that style anymore these days |
| 20:33.42 | cbreak | my guild was 50 active people back then |
| 20:33.47 | cbreak | these days we're barely 10 :/ |
| 20:34.00 | olafski | my guild was 42 active people |
| 20:34.09 | cbreak | (and with 50 I mean 50 actually logging in each evening... we were way more) |
| 20:34.09 | olafski | 3 raids a week, never less than 40 people online |
| 20:34.19 | alestane | BWL was, as I understand it, designed specifically to make people tear their hair out. |
| 20:34.21 | olafski | (with 42 active I actually meant just 42 people :)) |
| 20:34.30 | olafski | alestane: don't you mean AQ40? =) |
| 20:34.35 | olafski | BWL was great imo |
| 20:34.43 | olafski | AQ40 had some really shitty stuff in the middle |
| 20:34.49 | alestane | They kept it off the PTR at the community's request because people wanted to be surprised. |
| 20:34.56 | olafski | first 2 bosses were ok and the last few too, but the middle ones were just stupid |
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| 20:36.04 | Lunessa | BWL was a choke-point. 40 people for MC was a choke-point. My guild could never hold that many personalities together long enough to finish anything. Especially when we had 70+ Ret Paladins, 1 Warrior (tank) and 1 Holy Priest. Too many people wanted to be Neo, and no one wanted to be Tank |
| 20:36.19 | olafski | :) |
| 20:36.23 | olafski | ret paladins in vanilla :D |
| 20:36.45 | alestane | Especially because in the days of MC and BWL, the only way to be a tank was to be a prot-specced warrior, which meant you were useless for anything else. |
| 20:36.47 | Lunessa | Our rule was "play what you want to play." |
| 20:36.51 | olafski | I'd say my guild did quite well.. 3 raids of 3 hours each a week and we got horde first on everything |
| 20:36.57 | Jamash | 40 man raiding was bad |
| 20:37.03 | olafski | I loved it =( |
| 20:37.06 | cbreak | AQ40 was terrible. |
| 20:37.14 | Lunessa | alestane: I actually meant Tank the Matrix character who had a small role. |
| 20:37.17 | olafski | well skeram was fun.. and twin emps / c'thun were fun too imo |
| 20:37.51 | alestane | I may have missed him or his name. I've only seen the original Matrix movie. |
| 20:37.55 | olafski | I was a prot warrior though.. great stuff |
| 20:38.04 | Jamash | he's only in the original matrix movie |
| 20:38.12 | Lunessa | He's the big black guy, dies during the traitor scene. |
| 20:38.30 | Lunessa | Purely supporting cast. |
| 20:38.36 | olafski | anywho.. nn =) |
| 20:39.36 | alestane | Note: while losing a network connection is typically "distressing" for a program using it, it doesn't wipe the program off the machine because it was using the connection. |
| 20:40.24 | cbreak | depends |
| 20:40.33 | alestane | That scene always bothered the nitpicker in me, because of the way they presented using the Matrix as sending your consciousness out into the network, so unplugging you was like cutting your silver cord. |
| 20:40.50 | cbreak | I think in the old days, programs that were started by you on a remote machine received a SIGHUP when your connection ended |
| 20:41.29 | cbreak | didn't they unplug neo and he survived it? |
| 20:41.33 | alestane | If you were going to implement something like that, it would channel your intended perceptions in on the wire, and carry your intended actions out. |
| 20:41.34 | Jamash | it's a fail-deadly mechanism installed by the machines to prevent rogue processes |
| 20:42.02 | Jamash | aka you can come up with a bullshit explanation for anything in the matrix movies |
| 20:42.04 | Xyphoid | you might implement it by copying the processes from matrix node to matrix node though |
| 20:42.06 | amro | alestane: the entire premise behind the movie bothers the nitpicker in me |
| 20:42.15 | alestane | Not copy your entire consciousness out onto a network machine and suspend/delete the original. |
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| 20:42.41 | cbreak | they clearly use the original brain to produce electricity |
| 20:42.52 | Jamash | your consciousness isn't on the network, you just die if your connection is cut |
| 20:42.56 | cbreak | (which is a stupid idea, but what ever) |
| 20:43.02 | alestane | amro: http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2003-05-12 http://machall.com/view.php?date=2003-05-14 |
| 20:43.12 | Xyphoid | maybe the humans are just bad at brain networking tech |
| 20:43.30 | Xyphoid | they got this working through quick hacks and assumed the network wouldn't go down |
| 20:43.34 | Jamash | the original idea was that people's brains were used as distributed computing nodes but the movie studio people thought the audience would be too stupid to understand that concept |
| 20:43.54 | alestane | Morpheus refers to it as "The body cannot live without the mind," Jamash, although he might have been trying to sound "impressive." |
| 20:44.10 | Jamash | again, stupid producers = stupid dialogue |
| 20:44.22 | Xyphoid | 'don't worry we'll just recopy the buffered network brain state onto the brain at shutdown.' 'what if the network brain state is corrupted?' 'i'll fix that later' |
| 20:44.53 | Jamash | if you read Goliath by Neil Gaiman he explains it in a 10x better way than the movie does |
| 20:45.00 | amro | alestane: those are awesome |
| 20:45.01 | Jamash | because he is a good writer |
| 20:45.13 | cbreak | Go watch the anime series "Zegapain" |
| 20:45.18 | amro | I'm gonna VOIP anyone who calls me out on bs |
| 20:45.55 | Jamash | unlike the wachowskis |
| 20:47.05 | industrial | I have a Button on top of my minimap that I am using to catch mousewheel events on and zoom the minimap. I want it to check for right clicks aswell and show the tracking dropdown. Right now it doesn't work. |
| 20:47.10 | industrial | line 68 https://gist.github.com/21dd72220df5ca815a01 |
| 20:47.26 | Lunessa | Considering they stole the script, I'm guessing you can't really expect them to fix the details. |
| 20:47.35 | industrial | i get printed LeftButton but not RightButton :P |
| 20:48.01 | Jamash | did you call RegisterForClicks with both left and right button arguments? |
| 20:48.23 | Lulia | Taroven still around? |
| 20:48.29 | taroven | Lulia: Yup. |
| 20:48.35 | Ackis | http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/pennyarcade/ dragon age 2 ingame item |
| 20:48.50 | Lulia | What was that math.min and max you were doing earlier? What's it supposed to do. |
| 20:49.10 | industrial | Jamash: ah, right. |
| 20:49.12 | Lulia | Right now I'm noticing that my text sometimes scales too large. So I'll make the frame bigger but the text will scale too large for it's new frame and become a ... |
| 20:49.20 | taroven | math.min/max returns the lowest/highest (respectively) of the supplies params |
| 20:49.34 | taroven | For example, math.min(6,3,2,1,10) returns 1 |
| 20:49.40 | taroven | math.max on the same returns 10 |
| 20:50.05 | Lulia | Alright, so that's like any other min and max function I've seen |
| 20:50.18 | taroven | Yep, nothing complex. |
| 20:50.29 | Lulia | I'm not sure that will solve my problem then, hmm |
| 20:50.40 | taroven | What's the issue now? |
| 20:51.30 | Lulia | <Lulia> Right now I'm noticing that my text sometimes scales too large. So I'll make the frame bigger but the text will scale too large for it's new frame and become a ... |
| 20:52.06 | industrial | Jamash: I can't ping the map anymore now |
| 20:52.16 | Jamash | your frame probably overlaps it |
| 20:52.40 | Jamash | hmm, let me see |
| 20:52.47 | Jamash | is there a passthrough sort of option? |
| 20:52.50 | industrial | yes, I need that for the mousewheel zoom |
| 20:53.00 | industrial | the overlapping |
| 20:53.25 | taroven | Lulia: Are you using two setpoints on your textframe, or using SetWidth/Height? |
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| 20:53.48 | Lulia | On the frame itself? |
| 20:53.54 | taroven | On the fontstring. |
| 20:54.17 | taroven | Wasn't quite thinking for a sec there anyway, moot point if its bounds are correctly set. |
| 20:54.24 | Lulia | I dont use setpoint on the fontstring |
| 20:54.29 | Lulia | it's justified to the center though |
| 20:56.06 | taroven | Lulia: Does it seem that the text scales exponentially? |
| 20:56.08 | Kraps | TC-Work: |
| 20:56.19 | taroven | Or is it just getting too big in general? |
| 20:56.34 | Lulia | Hard to say, since I can't see it. |
| 20:56.54 | Lulia | PowerBarsDB.PowSet.EclipseBarFont = fontsize*Scale; |
| 20:56.58 | Lulia | Is what I'm using though |
| 20:57.08 | Lulia | Scale = newWidth/Frame.Width; |
| 20:57.10 | Jamash | Industrial: Have you tried using HookScript on the minimap instead of overlaying a frame on it? |
| 20:57.37 | Lulia | So what happens is I resize the frame and it grabs that width and makes it newWidth |
| 20:57.38 | taroven | Lulia: Try parenting the fontstring to UIParent just to see what happens. |
| 20:57.44 | industrial | Jamash: hm, no |
| 20:57.59 | taroven | (use SetParent so that you don't have to muck with the rest of your code) |
| 20:58.22 | Lulia | I've been using SetParent ;) |
| 20:59.11 | Lulia | no difference, same issues |
| 20:59.16 | industrial | Jamash: nop, doesnt work :) |
| 20:59.25 | TC-Work | Kraps: mucho deals |
| 20:59.35 | Kraps | inorite |
| 20:59.38 | Jamash | industrial: what happens? |
| 20:59.50 | Lulia | Another interesting note, sometimes when it becomes too large, it remains too large, even when the frame is reduced to smaller scales where it worked previously. |
| 20:59.53 | taroven | Try this. fontstring:ClearAllPoints(); fontstring:SetPoint('CENTER',UIParent'); fontstring:SetWidth(1000) |
| 21:00.17 | taroven | Nevermind then. |
| 21:00.21 | industrial | Jamash: nothing happens |
| 21:00.33 | Jamash | You might need to call EnableMouseWheel first |
| 21:00.37 | taroven | You'll probably want the fontstring parented to UIParent and scaled independently of the rest of your frame. |
| 21:01.20 | TC-Work | Kraps: make sure you dont miss todays deal, outside of the holiday one |
| 21:01.31 | taroven | Sounds like the parent's SetScale is mucking with it pretty hardcore, so we'll try taking that out of the equation. |
| 21:01.39 | Kraps | TC-Work: ? |
| 21:02.04 | Lulia | I need to know how much the parent has scaled |
| 21:02.07 | TC-Work | http://store.steampowered.com/app/9460/ |
| 21:02.09 | Lulia | In order to properly scale the font |
| 21:02.14 | taroven | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.28 | taroven | or parent:GetScale |
| 21:02.48 | industrial | Jamash: the mousewheel zooming works in Minimap but it doesn't have a RegisterForClicks and no OnClick script handler to hook. |
| 21:02.52 | Kraps | TC-Work: i'm not "missing" it, just wondering if i should buy it :P |
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| 21:03.08 | Jamash | hmm, let me see |
| 21:03.19 | Jamash | right, because it's not a Button derivative |
| 21:03.29 | taroven | GetEffectiveScale returns a value in relation to resolution, iirc. I use 1/frame:GetEffectiveScale() every so often for 1px lines. |
| 21:03.41 | Lulia | I think the frame that contains the text might be just a little small. |
| 21:03.55 | Lulia | Like, at normal size it's fine |
| 21:04.05 | Lulia | But with scaling it might be a pixel or two too small |
| 21:04.11 | taroven | Possibly. |
| 21:04.24 | taroven | It could also be that the fontstring doesn't have its bounds set correctly. |
| 21:04.25 | Lulia | I just made it huge to see how the font was scaling |
| 21:04.43 | Lulia | And it didn't look like it was doing any extreme size increases |
| 21:04.45 | Jamash | industrial: hook OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp instead |
| 21:04.54 | Lulia | The font width and height are set to equal the frame it's in |
| 21:05.09 | taroven | Alright, so the scaling works fine, the bounds are what's screwed up. |
| 21:05.17 | taroven | Mind a pastey with the fontstring anchor code? |
| 21:05.36 | alestane | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/10/thats_no_jack_olantern_its_a_space_station.php |
| 21:05.55 | taroven | alestane: Win. |
| 21:06.21 | Lulia | I'm going to try making it just a little bit larger |
| 21:06.56 | Lulia | but, here you go: http://paste.wowace.com/2718/ :) |
| 21:08.02 | taroven | EclipseTextFrame:SetWidth(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Width*0.14); - That's your problem, you're not popping another SetWidth when you're resizing the frame. |
| 21:08.09 | Angayelle | strange, can't query anymore my debuff on my target using a script |
| 21:08.14 | Lulia | Oh, I am |
| 21:08.16 | Lulia | one sec |
| 21:08.27 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/en/info/presale |
| 21:08.37 | taroven | Didn't see if you were when I was looking at the resize code earlier. |
| 21:08.55 | Angayelle | ./run local a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n = UnitAura("target", "debuff name") print(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n) nil whetever i do |
| 21:08.57 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2719/ |
| 21:09.36 | Lulia | Here's another odd little wrench, Taroven, which may support your theory a little |
| 21:09.38 | industrial | Jamash: I need a RegisterForClicks for that. |
| 21:09.43 | Lulia | If I get it to a size where it becomes a ... |
| 21:09.45 | Lulia | and I do a /reload |
| 21:09.57 | Lulia | When it reloads the size is fine and it's not a ... anymore |
| 21:10.02 | Jamash | what frame are you hooking? |
| 21:10.04 | Cairenn | Yeewoza! Don't piss off my daughter! She's got as bad a temper as I do, and is as sarcastic! |
| 21:10.31 | industrial | Jamash: Minimap |
| 21:10.37 | Jamash | mmk, lemme try some stuff |
| 21:10.40 | alestane | Who's pissing off the lyrebird, now? |
| 21:10.43 | Lulia | Changing the parent back, because having it as the UIParent is hurting it |
| 21:11.25 | Cairenn | byrd* She's on the phone with Dell tech support re her computer (that I'm currently using, since mine is completely fried) |
| 21:11.54 | taroven | Lulia: Are you sure you even want to be using SetScale at all? |
| 21:12.11 | Jamash | actually you don't, OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp trigger whether or not RegisterForClicks has been called |
| 21:12.15 | taroven | Like I said before, that's probably the root of everything here. |
| 21:12.20 | Lulia | I want SetScale because it lets certain child elements increase in size. |
| 21:12.25 | Lulia | Without it, they don't. Plus |
| 21:12.28 | Cairenn | lyre: I've had to repeat three times that my problem is that I would turn the power on and only the fans would run. Three times. He wants me to clarify what the problem is. |
| 21:12.30 | Jamash | you just need to filter for the button you're looking for |
| 21:12.31 | Lulia | Using setscale constrains the proportions. |
| 21:12.40 | TC-Work | Kraps: $4 |
| 21:12.45 | Lulia | I never wanted resize to allow people to distort the proportions anyways |
| 21:12.53 | Lulia | It just happened to let them do that. |
| 21:12.59 | Cairenn | Lyre: is there something confusing about that sentence? How about 'when I took it in to repairs, they said the probelm was the motherboard has trouble with video cards and is dying'? |
| 21:13.02 | taroven | Nothing dynamic anchoring and some setpoint hackery can't fix with better visual results. |
| 21:13.12 | alestane | Cairenn: http://xkcd.com/806/ |
| 21:13.36 | Lulia | Well, Taroven, that's beyond me |
| 21:13.46 | taroven | Not in the slightest. |
| 21:14.02 | Lulia | I is a nub |
| 21:14.10 | Cairenn | alestane: yep, precisely |
| 21:14.20 | taroven | Hang on a sec and I'll see what I can derive from what I've got here. |
| 21:14.41 | industrial | Jamash: hm I'm getting nothing happening if I click the mouse with the pointer on the minimap frame (I know its under there, devtools stack) |
| 21:14.44 | industrial | and I'm just printing all args |
| 21:15.14 | Jamash | well I just did /run Minimap:HookScript("OnMouseDown", print) and it's printing whenever I click on it |
| 21:15.23 | Cairenn | seriously, you guys should hear her, it's hilarious! |
| 21:15.26 | taroven | Lulia: Random question... does this only happen on your druid? |
| 21:15.39 | Lulia | I dont have font rescales on any other frame yet |
| 21:15.44 | Napoleone | grr handling item info is harder than i though |
| 21:15.44 | Napoleone | t |
| 21:15.46 | Lulia | HPW and Soul Shards don't need fonts |
| 21:15.50 | foxlit | wtb wowi-sponsored grep over all uploaded addons |
| 21:15.52 | Lulia | They're fairly straightforward |
| 21:15.57 | taroven | Well... potential issue here. |
| 21:16.28 | taroven | You're firing doEclipseFrames() after setting the font, and doEclipseFrames is mucking with the values you just set. |
| 21:17.03 | Lulia | hmm, but if I don't fire doEclipseFrames() the frames won't scale properly |
| 21:17.19 | TC-Work | Cairenn: well, record it then |
| 21:17.34 | Cairenn | would if I could |
| 21:17.39 | Jamash | so hey guys, I just worked out that if you don't have a return statement in a function, it doesn't return a value |
| 21:17.51 | Jamash | sometimes I'm so smart I'm an idiot |
| 21:17.54 | TC-Work | Cairenn: no webcam? |
| 21:18.04 | TC-Work | or phone with voice notes |
| 21:18.39 | alestane | That little white Kyocera? Doubt it. |
| 21:18.44 | Cairenn | TC-Work: second |
| 21:18.58 | Jamash | foxlit: install every addon on wowi then use grep |
| 21:19.08 | foxlit | Jamash: brb wget -r'ing |
| 21:19.42 | Cairenn | Jamash: lol |
| 21:20.07 | Jamash | for every problem there is a solution that is simple, straightforward, and wrong |
| 21:21.10 | Jamash | -- H.L. Mencken |
| 21:22.04 | Jamash | somewhat rephrased |
| 21:22.37 | Lunessa | I get phone calls all day - where I ask people what I know they must think of as stupid questions - because they're unclear and I didn't understand them. "I can't get the projector here to work, it says "No Signal"" - 'Um, did you press the projector button on the control panel and then the screen said 'no signal' or did you do something else and see 'no signal' somewhere else?' "I JUST TOLD YOU!" 'I'm sorry, I have to be perfectly clear because it |
| 21:22.38 | Lunessa | mean different things.' |
| 21:24.16 | Jamash | Victor Borge tells a story in which a woman came up to him and asked him to play a piece of music that she'd heard. |
| 21:24.22 | Jamash | He asked her what it was called, and she said she didn't remember. |
| 21:24.46 | Jamash | He asked her to hum a bit of it, in case he might recognize it. |
| 21:24.57 | Jamash | She said she didn't remember how it went, either. |
| 21:25.07 | Jamash | He said, well, in that case, there was nothing he could do for her. |
| 21:25.20 | Jamash | Indignant, she said "You're the musician, you should know what it is!" |
| 21:25.52 | Cairenn | brb |
| 21:26.08 | alestane | There are rather a lot of notalwaysright.com stories that run like that. |
| 21:26.13 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:26.20 | Jamash | probably about half of them |
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| 21:27.58 | alestane | Jaysus, Cairenn leaves and the whole place falls apart. |
| 21:28.00 | TC-Work | Welcome back Yall |
| 21:28.03 | TC-Work | i know |
| 21:28.19 | Lulia | hmm |
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| 21:28.52 | industrial | Jamash: if I HookScript then it works, but will ping the map every click. This is expected behaviour but I'd like to cancel out the ping and just open the menu instead for right click and leave it as is for the others' so I will still be able to leftclick ping. |
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| 21:29.06 | industrial | if I do SetScript instead of Hookscript then it will no longer ping at all :) |
| 21:29.17 | industrial | so I'm wondering what exactly is causing the pings |
| 21:29.20 | Lunessa | Part of my job is to smile and nod until the customer calms down enough to actually solve their problem, a large part. The other really large part is to teach them how to use the thing they just broke. Then there's the part which is to take firm control of the process and fix things while teaching. Juggle those factors all day and you have the makings of a sociopath. :P |
| 21:29.27 | industrial | I can't find it through trying several GetScript's |
| 21:29.42 | Jamash | industrial: let me try an experiment |
| 21:30.19 | taroven | Lulia: Is there any reason to constrain the fontstring's size in the first place? Depending on what text you show there, you shouldn't even need to. |
| 21:30.27 | cbreak | Lunessa: when I did user support last year, I had to hold back calling them stupid |
| 21:30.31 | cbreak | directly or by implication |
| 21:30.38 | cbreak | it's ... hard... |
| 21:30.49 | cbreak | especially if someone forgets to turn on their monitor |
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| 21:30.53 | Lunessa | cbreak: I get away with it sometimes. |
| 21:30.55 | cbreak | or plug in their network cable |
| 21:31.00 | Lulia | What do you mean, Taroven? |
| 21:31.06 | industrial | Jamash: https://gist.github.com/9d2eecded22d2c09939b |
| 21:31.08 | alestane | Can you get the current script, wrap it in something, and control whether you pass through, industrial? |
| 21:31.43 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:31.58 | industrial | alestane: I could I think but I don't know what the current script is, if any, that makes the minimap ping when you click it. |
| 21:32.20 | taroven | Lulia: SetWidth/Height on a fontstring don't do much more than set boundaries for the text itself. ie, SetWidth(1000) on a fontstring containing the text 'Foo' won't do anything unless the font is insanely huge. |
| 21:32.36 | alestane | I presume you mean not just which function, but which of "OnMouseUp," "OnClick," etc. |
| 21:32.37 | industrial | alestane: I'm doing that on line 75 to open the tracking dropdown actually |
| 21:32.41 | industrial | yes |
| 21:33.19 | alestane | You said that setting the script removes the ping behavior...which script are you setting that does this? |
| 21:34.01 | taroven | The only things that affect a fontstring's placement setpoints, which you have in place already... if you're only displaying a number, there's no reason I can think of to keep mucking with the bounds of the fontstring as long as it displays correctly. |
| 21:34.02 | p3lim | industrial: what are you trying to do? (just logged on) |
| 21:34.05 | Lulia | What about its position with justify? |
| 21:34.26 | taroven | s/fontstring's placement/fontstring's placement are/ |
| 21:34.43 | industrial | p3lim: set a script on the minimap to open the tracking dropdown on right click and pass through if it's not right click so I can still ping the map. |
| 21:34.58 | industrial | Jamash, alestane; this is what the whole script does to my UI btw; http://images.gammatester.com/pics/420c7366c9945f35ba16a4044f40cf70.jpg |
| 21:35.07 | taroven | Lulia: SetPoint can handle that readily. |
| 21:35.12 | Jamash | nifty |
| 21:35.25 | Lulia | So you're suggesting not to use Justify to center it? |
| 21:35.31 | taroven | Lulia: SetPoint(JUSTIFY,parent,JUSTIFY,x,y) |
| 21:35.40 | p3lim | industrial: thats easy, override the OnMouseUp script, do your button check and call for Minimap_OnClick() if its not RightButton |
| 21:35.55 | taroven | If you have the center of the fontstring set, you have a center justify point. |
| 21:36.15 | industrial | p3lim: oh.. now I see it's OnMouseUp -_- ty |
| 21:36.20 | taroven | If you have a point set at RIGHT, you have a RIGHT justify point, etc. |
| 21:36.32 | Lulia | Right... |
| 21:36.34 | p3lim | industrial: http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source is your friend |
| 21:36.40 | taroven | So as long as you have the key anchor to the justification, you can justify in that direction. |
| 21:36.43 | Lulia | So you're suggesting not to set the font's width or height at all? |
| 21:36.47 | taroven | Correct. |
| 21:37.20 | industrial | Jamash: that settles it :) |
| 21:37.35 | Jamash | awesome |
| 21:37.38 | taroven | You can use SetAllPoints(parent) if you're just putting it dead center in the frame, don't have the code up at the moment to doublecheck |
| 21:37.40 | Lulia | Let me try that then |
| 21:37.40 | p3lim | so, anyone here good with javascript? :) |
| 21:38.44 | nicoli_s | <- |
| 21:39.12 | p3lim | trying to make an endless scroll script, here is what I've got so far: http://pastebin.com/8jxunCxu |
| 21:39.55 | Cide | how about while true do end |
| 21:40.04 | Cide | oh, endless *scroll* script |
| 21:40.09 | p3lim | started learning a little bit of js today to create that script, so there might be lots of mistakes in that one, though FireBug comes out clean |
| 21:41.28 | p3lim | line 20 should have been removed though, just some leftovers I havent removed yet |
| 21:42.30 | Jamash | so now that I've wasted a good hour on a function with no return statement, what was I doing before that |
| 21:42.40 | Lulia | Taroven: And if I used setallpoints I shouldnt need to scale the font anymore, or? |
| 21:42.41 | Jamash | oh right, metatable hackery |
| 21:43.16 | taroven | Lulia: SetAllPoints will just anchor the font to the center of the frame and set its bounds to the frame bounds. It won't do anything to the fontsize. |
| 21:43.41 | taroven | If you want the font to scale with the frame, you still need to do that manually. |
| 21:44.01 | taroven | Well, still want. Not sure if it's actually necessary, but it's not hard to check that. =P |
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| 21:44.07 | nicoli_s | so p3lim:you are just adding new links as you scroll down? |
| 21:44.10 | Lulia | hmm |
| 21:44.32 | Sintacks | What does font outline actually do... |
| 21:45.03 | taroven | Sintacks: Sets an outline around the font. |
| 21:45.15 | nicoli_s | p3lim:also, you cant do a comparsin between nextPage and numPages because of the {} around numPages |
| 21:45.19 | p3lim | nicoli_s: trying to append the whole next page |
| 21:45.29 | Sintacks | i don't see anything other than width changes :| |
| 21:45.37 | p3lim | {TotalPages} is API from Tumblr btw |
| 21:45.44 | p3lim | it returns 18 |
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| 21:46.16 | taroven | The effect differs depending on the font. Setting the OUTLINE flag on a font will add something like a 2px relative border outlining the font itself. |
| 21:46.54 | Sintacks | Anyone know of a narrow mono spaced font? |
| 21:47.44 | taroven | There's a bunch out there. Check http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35222 for some ideas. |
| 21:49.17 | Lulia | Ot |
| 21:49.42 | Lulia | It's amazing how long it's taking me to do simple things, things you guys could probably do in a couple hours has taken me a number of days |
| 21:49.44 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 21:50.23 | acethebunny | random dc ftl |
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| 21:50.41 | taroven | Practice, practice, practice. Most of what I know has been from taking over EventHorizon development a long time ago and the slew of random addons I've made for myself. =P |
| 21:51.15 | Baps | it's like learning any environment |
| 21:51.20 | taroven | ^ |
| 21:51.21 | Baps | ..and this one keeps moving |
| 21:51.26 | taroven | And ^ |
| 21:51.28 | syrae | Lulia: don't worry. I'll start writing my first one tonight. |
| 21:51.47 | taroven | syrae: orly? |
| 21:51.51 | syrae | I have done research, and I am now ready to fail spectacularly! |
| 21:52.00 | taroven | That's the spirit! |
| 21:52.29 | syrae | taroven: I help maintain (hack) another one my friend wrote, but I haven't ever written one myself. |
| 21:53.13 | taroven | Pretty much how I started. Lua's honestly not hard at all to learn, the trick is the mess of WoW's API. =P |
| 21:53.24 | syrae | right |
| 21:53.41 | syrae | syntax has never really been an issue for me when swapping languages |
| 21:53.49 | syrae | (I'll bitch, but it's not hard) |
| 21:53.54 | taroven | reminds himself to work on that packaging script some more... |
| 21:53.58 | Baps | and if the documentation you're looking at still applies or was for 1.0.7 |
| 21:54.19 | syrae | the API is definitely gonna be the hard part |
| 21:54.23 | Sintacks | I really picked the wrong name to be hanging out in different scripting channels... |
| 21:54.39 | syrae | especially since most of the stuff I'll be wanting to call is undocumented. (wheeeeee) |
| 21:54.42 | taroven | Sintacks: Yep. |
| 21:54.48 | Sintacks | :D |
| 21:54.50 | Lunessa | I lol'ed " ... if more people had more sex there would be less violence in the world. No one ever went postal while basking in the afterglow. " Chamia - on the wow beta forums. |
| 21:54.57 | taroven | syrae: /dump is your friend. What're you writing? |
| 21:55.04 | Maldivia | Sintacks: just don't highlight on syntax :) |
| 21:55.08 | syrae | taroven: yeah... I learned /dump :) |
| 21:55.19 | Sintacks | Three scripting channels on QuakeNet. one on freenode (which i probably won't come back to often). 1 on GameSurge and 2 on SwiftIRC :| |
| 21:55.21 | syrae | taroven: I'm gonna be writing a Archaeology helper |
| 21:55.26 | taroven | Ah, joy. |
| 21:55.47 | taroven | Sintacks: But we have cookies here. |
| 21:55.53 | Sintacks | omnomnom |
| 21:55.53 | taroven | You know you want to come back. |
| 21:56.19 | syrae | I know the events I care about and most of the way the arch APIs work at this point... now I just have to start actually making my addon. The first blank .lua file and my brand new .toc... |
| 21:56.20 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 21:56.28 | Maldivia | Sintacks: and as for narrow monospace fonts, courier new or bitstream vera sans mono are probably some of the most narrow ones |
| 21:56.34 | Lulia | The resizing is still a bit buggy, but I imagine it's going to be that way. |
| 21:56.43 | Lunessa | I has cookies, and I dont shares. |
| 21:56.45 | Lulia | When I learn more I will definitely have to overhaul my resize mechanism. |
| 21:56.49 | Sintacks | hmm. i forgot about courier new |
| 21:56.58 | syrae | eventually figuring out what source repo I want to use... |
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| 21:57.13 | Sintacks | I use DejaVu Sans mono for IRC, but it's too wide for WoW :| |
| 21:57.22 | taroven | Lulia: Without commenting out most of my scratchpaper addon, I couldn't tell you what's up with that. =\ |
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| 21:57.40 | Maldivia | Sintacks: lower the font size then ? |
| 21:57.46 | Lulia | Well, I imagine when I learn more I can eventually come back and make my own function |
| 21:57.56 | Lulia | Instead of trying to hack a scale function through the resize functiom |
| 21:57.59 | Sintacks | i've tried |
| 21:58.09 | Sintacks | gets too small to read before it isn't too wide |
| 21:58.40 | taroven | Sintacks: I have yet to find a decent mono font for WoW, tbh. I use Orbitron Medium for most of my UI and it's fabulous, but it's definitely not mono. |
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| 21:59.00 | Cide | I thought everyone used pixel fonts for wow |
| 21:59.04 | taroven | ...also doesn't have a ^ char for some reason, which is really awkward sometimes. |
| 21:59.14 | Sintacks | The only font I'm really wanting to replace right now is for chat |
| 21:59.19 | Sintacks | I might use the same for castbars/etc |
| 21:59.34 | Maldivia | Sintacks: if I'm not mistaken, dejavu is based on the bitstream bera fonts, right? |
| 21:59.38 | Maldivia | vera* |
| 21:59.42 | Sintacks | no idea. lol |
| 21:59.48 | Mirrormn | if you change your chat font from normal, how will you properly see other people's ascii text :( |
| 21:59.52 | Sintacks | i do'nt know much about DejaVu. I just know i like it. |
| 21:59.54 | Mirrormn | er |
| 21:59.56 | Mirrormn | ascii art |
| 21:59.59 | Sintacks | lol Mirrormn |
| 22:00.04 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.04 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.04 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.12 | Cide | thank you |
| 22:00.12 | Sintacks | ^ case in point. |
| 22:00.14 | Cide | that will be enough |
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| 22:00.24 | Sintacks | i made that for a font and i dont even remember what font it was |
| 22:00.33 | Sintacks | looks very bad in a mono spaced font |
| 22:01.22 | taroven | Sintacks: Odd, looks fine in Monospace 9. |
| 22:01.43 | Sintacks | what? |
| 22:01.56 | Mirrormn | it looks to me like the feet are way too huge, presumably because in a non-monospaced font, the apostrophes would be considerably thinner |
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| 22:02.19 | taroven | Linux + XChat using default fonts =P |
| 22:02.25 | Sintacks | lol |
| 22:02.29 | Kraps | TC-Work: $3 |
| 22:02.41 | taroven | Hm, good point on the feet. |
| 22:02.43 | Baps | I still use calibari from Fontain for most things in game |
| 22:02.45 | TC-Work | Kraps: even better |
| 22:02.56 | Sintacks | Mirrormn, the ' is closer to each other in the font i made it in |
| 22:03.08 | Kraps | TC-Work: what if its a bad game? |
| 22:03.31 | taroven | Nothing that taking out a space and an apostrophe on each foot wouldn't fix. |
| 22:03.40 | syrae | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl5Pfc5TyO0 |
| 22:03.41 | Sintacks | true |
| 22:03.42 | taroven | (the leading space before the c) |
| 22:03.57 | Sintacks | but it still works on the IRC network i made it for to.. 80% of the userbase uses the font i made it for |
| 22:04.06 | Mirrormn | then it would only have 2 toes =/ |
| 22:04.25 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:04.30 | Fisker | my authenticator code was 7112 |
| 22:04.37 | Kraps | so? |
| 22:04.47 | TC-Work | Kraps: it's $3 |
| 22:04.56 | Sintacks | how is your code 4 digits long... |
| 22:05.09 | Mirrormn | he got one of the first ones |
| 22:05.10 | Sintacks | My auth code was 60667707 the other day... |
| 22:05.23 | Sintacks | I found it funny |
| 22:05.23 | Baps | I had 787878 a few weeks back |
| 22:05.34 | Fisker | Sintacks because battle.net doesn't care about preceding zeros |
| 22:05.34 | Sintacks | I had 5 0s in a row one day |
| 22:05.35 | taroven | I got 111222 not too long ago. Thought it was hilarious. |
| 22:05.42 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/en/info/presale |
| 22:05.43 | Mirrormn | my auth code was 777777 once, I win |
| 22:05.55 | Sintacks | lol |
| 22:06.13 | Fisker | if your authenticator code is 00000000 |
| 22:06.18 | Fisker | then you don't need to input anything |
| 22:06.30 | Shirik | mostly because codes are only 6 digits |
| 22:06.32 | Shirik | so something's broken |
| 22:06.39 | Fisker | mobile authenticators are 8 Shirik |
| 22:06.42 | Fisker | get with the program |
| 22:06.42 | Sintacks | mobile codes are 8 |
| 22:06.45 | Shirik | wat |
| 22:06.47 | Baps | the soft-tokens for phones are 8 |
| 22:06.48 | Sintacks | wat |
| 22:06.52 | Sintacks | srsly |
| 22:06.53 | Shirik | cell phones are for making phonecalls |
| 22:06.57 | Sintacks | lawl |
| 22:06.59 | Kraps | TC-Work: thats how they get you, be nickel and diming!!!!!111 |
| 22:07.03 | Fisker | anyway Shirik |
| 22:07.08 | Mirrormn | Shirik, can I borrow your... cell phone telephone? |
| 22:07.09 | Fisker | for the dinguses out there |
| 22:07.10 | Kraps | by* |
| 22:07.13 | MoonWitch | also I've had 404404 :) |
| 22:07.19 | Fisker | if your authenticator is 000000 then you don't need to input anything |
| 22:07.20 | TC-Work | Kraps: and? |
| 22:07.24 | TC-Work | i already gave in |
| 22:07.27 | Fisker | authenticator code* |
| 22:07.30 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:08.09 | Sintacks | 06343283 |
| 22:08.38 | Sintacks | so, you're saying, i don't have to type the 0 in that? |
| 22:08.54 | Mirrormn | it would be wise not to listen to anything fisker says |
| 22:10.33 | Sintacks | I'm pre-ordering cata from blizzard for my brother and using him to have it downloaded/installed and ready to go when servers go up after i get home from getting my CE from Bestbuy |
| 22:10.46 | Kraps | TC-Work: you tried metro yet? |
| 22:10.48 | Matt646 | I got 101010 once, best code by far (think about it) |
| 22:11.02 | Sintacks | lol |
| 22:11.11 | TC-Work | Kraps: no, i have been working 11 hour days |
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| 22:12.51 | Kraps | TC-Work: interesting feel to it, very gritty and in your face, you feel and see every bullet you use and the guns are shitty (on purpose) and loud |
| 22:15.00 | Kraps | apparently i already have frontlines... |
| 22:15.10 | Kraps | puzzles |
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| 22:18.46 | Lulia | massive headache, ugh |
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| 22:22.02 | Tuller | waffles |
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| 22:25.51 | Lulia | waffles! |
| 22:27.19 | Napoleone | UIPanelButtonTemplate where do i find blizzard template |
| 22:29.33 | Matt646 | UIPanelButtonTemplate is in UIPanelTemplates.xml, right up near the top (line 18) |
| 22:31.28 | Matt646 | omnomnom http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/motorola-droid-pro-coming-in-a-cameraless-version-for-security-c/ |
| 22:31.32 | Napoleone | thanks |
| 22:32.26 | Baps | which is code for "send me a patch" =) |
| 22:32.27 | Baps | ww |
| 22:34.12 | Kraps | the wow folder is 30 GB : |
| 22:34.15 | Kraps | :/ |
| 22:34.35 | Baps | you can probably delete a bunch of that (old patches, etc) |
| 22:34.43 | amro | not that much |
| 22:34.47 | amro | it's 22GB here for a fresh 4.0 install |
| 22:34.55 | A-KO | Kraps: I hear it's so large because the patch pre-loaded the new content for the cataclysm. They will delete the old stuff when it hits |
| 22:34.58 | Baps | 8G is still a bunch |
| 22:35.02 | Cairenn | never ever ever delete your old patches |
| 22:35.08 | A-KO | So right now they've got dual installs going on |
| 22:35.11 | A-KO | Old world + New World |
| 22:35.13 | Cairenn | you'll kick yourself if you ever have to reinstall |
| 22:35.17 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 22:35.35 | A-KO | I'm at 27.4GB for WoW right now |
| 22:35.41 | syrae | I store old patches/installers on a NAS |
| 22:35.50 | syrae | OH |
| 22:35.56 | Kraps | beta is another 18.5, wonder why i'm hanging on to it since i never use it |
| 22:36.12 | amro | burn it with the hot purifying fire that is rm -rf |
| 22:36.15 | Matt646 | Yeah move your patches off to a storage drive or some external storage |
| 22:36.18 | syrae | ok |
| 22:36.20 | syrae | so |
| 22:36.28 | Kraps | amro: ... |
| 22:36.43 | Baps | 26G World of Warcraft |
| 22:36.59 | syrae | for a code repo, should I use CurseForge, WoWInterface, Google Code, Git, etc? Any thoughts? |
| 22:37.01 | amro | you like ellipses way too much |
| 22:37.13 | Baps | 19G World of Warcraft Beta/ |
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| 22:37.26 | amro | cf and wowi have git support afaik |
| 22:38.01 | Baps | my Updates dir is 4.8G |
| 22:38.09 | Baps | which would bring it fairly close to 20G |
| 22:38.12 | Kraps | anyone know a 3rd party folder explorer that shows the size of the contents of folders? i cant remember the name |
| 22:38.29 | Kraps | amro: i get confused a lot |
| 22:38.31 | Jamash | I have a svn related question, is it possibly in a straightforward manner to sync a single local copy to multiple repositories? |
| 22:38.41 | amro | Kraps: windirstat? |
| 22:38.43 | Baps | WinDirStat |
| 22:38.51 | Matt646 | ^ |
| 22:39.05 | Kraps | yup thanks :) |
| 22:39.20 | Sintacks | Tahoma... that's the font my bunny was made for. |
| 22:39.21 | Sintacks | lol |
| 22:39.49 | Jamash | I just mirror my entire wow directory via rsync and delete old patches |
| 22:40.26 | Jamash | which reminds me, I need to update my miror |
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| 22:42.24 | Fisker | But more importantly i want to know this - What timezone are we talking about here? In the UK, we're 1 hour behind the servers. So effectively does this mean that we can play the game at 23:01PM on the 6th December? |
| 22:42.24 | Fisker | If not, won't this then give a 1 hour advantage to the central European countries? |
| 22:42.28 | Fisker | /facepalm |
| 22:42.49 | taroven | Woot, just added the ^ char to my UI font... Still absolutely no idea why that was missing. |
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| 22:43.59 | Kraps | Fisker: i dont care, what are you gonna do about that? |
| 22:44.52 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:45.01 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 22:45.08 | Fisker | he thinks that because he's in the UK, he's one hour ahead of europe :P |
| 22:45.10 | amro | is this the part where you make out? |
| 22:45.32 | Kraps | amro: never in public |
| 22:47.30 | Kraps | brb |
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| 22:52.00 | Sintacks | heh.. the names of the fonts are showing up, but the actual font isn't loading... |
| 22:52.51 | Matt646 | mmmm apple slices |
| 22:53.42 | Sintacks | blahoaisjdg. CourierNew is too wide too :( |
| 22:55.02 | Sintacks | does a font have to be true type to be compatible with WoW? |
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| 22:58.18 | amro | http://i.imgur.com/euAPO.jpg |
| 23:02.32 | Jamash | amro: cute |
| 23:03.44 | Jamash | so I've spent the last twenty minutes composing an rsync command line |
| 23:03.45 | syrae | amro: old. I totally posted that yesterday |
| 23:03.49 | syrae | >_> |
| 23:03.57 | amro | stop being fisker |
| 23:04.03 | syrae | Jamash: the real question is... does it work? |
| 23:04.05 | Jamash | which I will then save to a shell script and never look at again |
| 23:04.12 | Jamash | I dunno, I haven't pressed enter yet |
| 23:04.43 | Jamash | "Windows Firewall has blocked some features of rsync.exe" -_- |
| 23:04.48 | syrae | hehe |
| 23:04.55 | DWSR | Is the logins servers down for US? |
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| 23:06.44 | DWSR | ~ping |
| 23:06.45 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:06.49 | DWSR | Anyone? |
| 23:06.51 | Jamash | ~pung |
| 23:07.00 | Shirik | ~pong |
| 23:07.00 | purl | ~ping |
| 23:07.06 | syrae | ~ding |
| 23:07.06 | purl | dong |
| 23:07.06 | Jamash | I dunno, I'm rsyncing, I can't run wow |
| 23:07.12 | Jamash | THE WITCH IS DEAD |
| 23:07.21 | syrae | Jamash: see? Bot. |
| 23:07.32 | Jamash | ~jamashsnack |
| 23:07.37 | syrae | hehe |
| 23:07.39 | Jamash | eats syrae's head. |
| 23:07.56 | syrae | Jamash: If I was a guy, I'd ask which one |
| 23:08.05 | Matt646 | I'm logged into US just fine, I'm not going to logout to see if the login servers are down though ;p |
| 23:08.09 | syrae | but I'm not, so sadly that horrible joke doesn't work. :( |
| 23:08.14 | DWSR | Matt646: Yar. |
| 23:08.18 | Jamash | a/s/l? |
| 23:08.40 | syrae | Jamash: seriously? |
| 23:08.42 | Jamash | indefinite/yes/The Moon |
| 23:09.11 | syrae | I'm just out of it enough to not be able to come up with a snarky reply quickly |
| 23:09.12 | Jamash | when am I ever serious? |
| 23:10.05 | syrae | That reminds me of a time traveler joke |
| 23:10.09 | syrae | it involved Tuesday |
| 23:10.12 | syrae | and it was awesome |
| 23:10.16 | Jamash | I think I've heard it beafter |
| 23:10.17 | syrae | but that's all I can remember |
| 23:10.36 | Jamash | you'd make a great stand up comedian |
| 23:10.53 | syrae | well, at least a non-sensical one |
| 23:11.06 | syrae | also, I ate sugar recently |
| 23:11.15 | Jamash | I'm concerned, rsync is still counting files, and it's up to 6200 |
| 23:11.20 | syrae | soooo... that + sleep deprivation kicking in == fucked up syrae |
| 23:11.32 | Jamash | You should have some more tea. |
| 23:11.44 | syrae | tea makes me slightly leery at the moment |
| 23:12.01 | syrae | since tea caused my mug to explode in my hand last night (true story) |
| 23:12.09 | syrae | PLUS I was on a date at the time! |
| 23:12.16 | brandonjviles | why cant i create a new addon on curseforge... |
| 23:12.29 | syrae | brandonjviles: have you bribed the admins yet? |
| 23:12.31 | Jamash | because you aren't logged in? |
| 23:12.35 | brandonjviles | im logged in |
| 23:12.45 | brandonjviles | and no bribbery |
| 23:12.46 | Jamash | god damn it rsync |
| 23:12.56 | syrae | Jamash: what dir are you trying to sync? |
| 23:12.57 | Jamash | good thing I used the dry-run option |
| 23:13.00 | Jamash | wow |
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| 23:13.19 | syrae | dir(s) |
| 23:13.42 | Jamash | I can never remember whether or not to include a / at the end of the source or destination directory name when using rsync |
| 23:13.53 | syrae | mmm |
| 23:14.03 | syrae | I tend to omit them |
| 23:14.22 | syrae | to make it explicit that I want the dir as the target, not the contents of the dir |
| 23:14.29 | syrae | (not just) |
| 23:14.46 | Jamash | but do I do rsync source server:/path/to/target or rsync source server:/path/to/target/source ? |
| 23:14.49 | syrae | but that's how I think |
| 23:15.01 | syrae | um |
| 23:15.02 | UltraNurd | I think "backwards" from the way cp -r works, too |
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| 23:15.35 | syrae | I.. don't know off the top of my head. :-\ |
| 23:15.49 | syrae | but that might be because YOU ATE MY HEAD |
| 23:16.09 | Jamash | only a little bit |
| 23:17.24 | Jamash | ok so according to the manpage it's either source server:/path/to/target or source/ server:/path/to/target/source |
| 23:17.43 | Jamash | so I should leave off the / |
| 23:20.51 | syrae | I need to set up an rsync script to backup my media server onto my NAS |
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| 23:23.16 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 23:23.22 | A-KO | I'm going to need a new cvar list of settings |
| 23:23.27 | A-KO | with how to turn on some max details |
| 23:24.16 | Gnarfoz | strings wow.exe > list |
| 23:24.33 | A-KO | huh? |
| 23:25.02 | Shirik | or you could just go into console and type `help` |
| 23:25.06 | DWSR | Or. |
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| 23:25.56 | Jamash | there's some fun stuff in strings wow.exe |
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| 23:26.15 | Jamash | Usage: worldport <continentID> [x y z] [facing] |
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| 23:27.49 | Sintacks | I should auth on here. |
| 23:28.21 | Kraps | the hell does this mean? |
| 23:28.22 | Kraps | Patch 4.0.3 will implement virtually all of the content necessary to make the changes to Azeroth, but those changes will actually take place in patch 4.0.3a, which is scheduled to be released shortly after patch 4.0.3. |
| 23:28.32 | A-KO | isn't there a way to output cvars to a file or something? |
| 23:28.53 | Sintacks | wait... x y z for cords? |
| 23:28.56 | Jamash | Kraps: That we're going to be stuck with two complete sets of continents in our data files for a while? |
| 23:28.58 | Xyphoid | yeah i didn't understand that either |
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| 23:29.05 | Sintacks | they're finally giving us elevation? |
| 23:29.15 | Jamash | Sintacks: No, that's the usage for a GM command |
| 23:29.21 | Sintacks | :( |
| 23:31.24 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: so? I doubt cvarlist shows everything there is |
| 23:31.28 | Kraps | so if 4.0.3 is on dec 7 and 4.0.3a is say january, they would technically have released it in 2010 :p |
| 23:31.46 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: what shirik was alluding to is: wow.exe -console, open console, cvarlist |
| 23:31.52 | Sintacks | 4.0.3 is about 2 weeks before dec 7th |
| 23:32.00 | A-KO | yeah but I thought there was a way to get console output to a text file |
| 23:32.02 | A-KO | could have sworn |
| 23:32.03 | Gnarfoz | there is "AppendLogToFile", but I get "access denied" on that. |
| 23:32.05 | Sintacks | 4.0.3a will prob be 1 week before |
| 23:32.22 | Jamash | I open an EditFrame, dump text to it, copy and paste it |
| 23:32.24 | taroven | Lulia: Any progress? |
| 23:32.32 | Jamash | sucks but it works |
| 23:32.38 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: how does that relate to the console at all |
| 23:32.42 | Lulia | On? |
| 23:32.43 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 23:32.48 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't =D |
| 23:32.51 | Jamash | I wasn't reading that hard |
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| 23:33.01 | taroven | Lulia: Fontstring issues, anchoring, etc |
| 23:33.04 | Gnarfoz | hardly reading, eh? :D |
| 23:33.11 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27497529653/dance-contest-3rd-place-revision/ /care |
| 23:33.19 | Lulia | Oh, I thought I mentioned it already. |
| 23:33.32 | taroven | Not sure if I saw. |
| 23:33.46 | Lulia | I got it more-or-less working. There were some slight issues, but I think those will only be resolved when/if I rewrite the entire resize script. |
| 23:33.55 | Lulia | Doing a sort of manual, drag+scale function myself. |
| 23:34.05 | Lulia | Rather than having the user resize, rescale, resize, rescale. |
| 23:34.06 | taroven | Ah, that, k. |
| 23:34.41 | Lulia | And once I learn better methods for keeping child frames scaled with parent frames >.> |
| 23:34.52 | Lulia | But I'm not doing that right now, and it works more-or-less |
| 23:34.56 | Lulia | Thank you. |
| 23:35.03 | syrae | is sorely tempted to leave work early |
| 23:35.51 | Jamash | how the hell do I have files on my server with mode 0000 |
| 23:36.19 | Jamash | ah, cygwin |
| 23:36.19 | syrae | Jamash: very carefully |
| 23:36.32 | Jamash | cygwin doesn't grok ntfs very well |
| 23:36.39 | syrae | nope |
| 23:36.55 | Jamash | ok, so I need to tell it to ignore permissions on the local side |
| 23:46.10 | DWSR | Anyone experiencing login server issues in the US? |
| 23:46.20 | A-KO | yes |
| 23:46.23 | A-KO | there are login probs atm it seems |
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| 23:48.26 | UltraNurd | yeah, I was going to update my dinky little mods tonight... not looking like that now |
| 23:51.04 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 23:51.10 | A-KO | I might switch off of dropbox |
| 23:51.13 | A-KO | and use Windows Live Skydrive |
| 23:51.14 | A-KO | see hwo that works |
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| 23:54.04 | Jamash | Anything that contains the phrase "Windows Live" probably doesn't (work) |
| 23:55.44 | A-KO | eh |
| 23:55.48 | A-KO | 25GB versus 2GB (Dropbxo) |
| 23:55.50 | A-KO | and free :P |
| 23:56.19 | Jamash | individual files are limited to 50MB, and only 5 files can be uploaded at a time |
| 23:56.55 | Jamash | whereas with dropbox I just put files in the directory |
| 23:57.48 | A-KO | hmm |
| 23:57.53 | A-KO | with skydrive? |
| 23:58.05 | Kraps | for anyone who bought the virtual blizzcon ticket, you can now buy special shizz at the blizzard store |
| 23:58.07 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Windows_Live_SkyDrive |
