| 00:00.02 | Dagmar | It's just exceptionallt retarded to even tell people "We're blocking every port for inbound connections except for one, _and you'd better not use that one!_" |
| 00:00.15 | Dagmar | s/allt/ally/; |
| 00:00.16 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: http://paste.wowace.com/2697/ |
| 00:00.18 | Lulia | Maybe if I did the PowerBars.Options = {}; outside of the function |
| 00:00.20 | Hirsute | Dagmar: A fair number, actually. They're just very, very paranoid about student bandwidth consumption, C&Ds from the record companies, and being asked to support people's poorly configured server software. |
| 00:00.23 | airtonix | internet? why are you using the internet ? |
| 00:00.44 | DarthAndroid_ | err wtf |
| 00:00.50 | DarthAndroid_ | it erased my changes |
| 00:00.55 | Lulia | I was about to say |
| 00:00.58 | Lulia | That looks just like mine |
| 00:01.04 | Dagmar | Hirsute: Well, to put it bluntly, if those guys haven't been ssh'ing into their stuff from off-campus, there's probably no future in IT for them |
| 00:01.10 | Kraps | http://lifehacker.com/tag/evil-week/ |
| 00:01.20 | A-KO | probably not |
| 00:01.28 | Dagmar | <-- works at a very big university. |
| 00:01.29 | A-KO | Hirsute: more importantly, all of those reasons are bullshit :P |
| 00:01.29 | Hirsute | They only told me that because one day all my servers stopped being visible to anything off the subnet. When I asked them if they'd shut down a bunch of ports, that's eventually the answer I got. |
| 00:01.30 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: http://paste.wowace.com/2698/ |
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| 00:01.38 | Hirsute | A-KO: I don't disagree |
| 00:01.50 | A-KO | Hirsute: see, I'm the type of person that I would fight that policy |
| 00:01.50 | Kraps | Lunessa: ping |
| 00:01.55 | Hirsute | They only clamped down on the Student Housing networks, so they're able to ssh into their ports just fine. |
| 00:02.03 | Hirsute | s/ports/boxes/ |
| 00:02.16 | Dagmar | No, I mean students sshing into their computers in their dorms. |
| 00:02.35 | Dagmar | The vast majority of Linux/BSD users just regularly ssh back and forth like that. |
| 00:02.41 | Lunessa | Kraps pong |
| 00:02.59 | airtonix | the real reason is that they don't want you to use https in order to cover your ssh tunnel activities |
| 00:03.05 | Dagmar | If I were attending a school that dropped a policy like that on us, I'd flat out be looking to transfer credits somewhere else starting the very next semester |
| 00:03.23 | A-KO | same Dagmar |
| 00:03.27 | Hirsute | airtonix: Aye, that's why they told me not to do that on 443. |
| 00:03.41 | Dagmar | airtonix: See, that's not even a sane thing for them to think. Anything you'd be doing over that port, encrypted, isn't going to be anything some RIAA hit squad is going to see |
| 00:03.43 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Transferring is very difficult when you're in Medical School. *shrug* |
| 00:03.46 | Legorol | evening, does anyone have details about the 4.0.1a patch? |
| 00:03.49 | A-KO | exactly Dagmar |
| 00:03.54 | Lulia | Well, Darth, I see what you did there. Thanks for that, it's likely more efficient, however it didn't fix the problem with the error :( |
| 00:04.01 | airtonix | Dagmar, i know its a guess on their part and so on |
| 00:04.09 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: :( |
| 00:04.11 | Hirsute | Dagmar: The RIAA hit squads don't see it by sniffing traffic, they see it by peering with you. |
| 00:04.17 | Lulia | ?? |
| 00:04.18 | A-KO | we know Hirsute :P |
| 00:04.19 | airtonix | Dagmar, it's most likely going to be true though |
| 00:04.21 | Dagmar | airtonix: Problme being, network management is _never_ about *guessing* like that |
| 00:04.23 | A-KO | which is why the excuse is BS |
| 00:04.29 | Dagmar | Hirsute: I know. I get the reports. |
| 00:04.31 | Wobin | Lulia: are you sure it's being called? |
| 00:04.42 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 00:04.46 | Lulia | That's why the chat frames are there |
| 00:04.57 | Lulia | They're purely to show me that it passed through, and it passes through |
| 00:05.06 | A-KO | The fact that the RIAA has such control over our public university networks, in addition to private networks, worries me--terribly. |
| 00:05.17 | Hirsute | Like I said, I don't like it, but I only have to deal with it for about 7 more months before I graduate and move somewhere else for residency. |
| 00:05.30 | Dagmar | Those network admins are being pussies about it, frankly. |
| 00:05.33 | A-KO | I mean, despite the fact that you are not directly paying for the connection, you are paying the university to use the connections they provide. |
| 00:05.38 | Dagmar | That _will_ come back to haunt them at some point. |
| 00:06.02 | A-KO | Dagmar: They are probably using 80% of the bandwidth to do their own file sharing/hosting/etc ;) |
| 00:06.03 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:06.03 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: You don't need the frame/code to save the variables, just to load them. By doing PowerBars.Options = PowerBarsDB.Options, any changes you make to PowerBars.Options will also happen to PowerBarsDB.Options, since they are the same table |
| 00:06.09 | A-KO | I wouldn't be surpirsed |
| 00:06.13 | A-KO | not in the least bit |
| 00:06.49 | Dagmar | If you start making policy as if you were responsible for something, that's pretty much a foot in the door for hostile lawyers to take you to court to argue that you were blocking traffic becuase you knew aobut the illicit activity, and that your blocking methods were insufficient to protect their interests. |
| 00:06.50 | Hirsute | Meh, knowing these guys, if they're file sharing, it's videos about how circuitboards are printed. |
| 00:07.25 | airtonix | giddigty |
| 00:07.29 | Hirsute | And about the speed at which grass grows on the south side of some hill in Nebraska somewhere. |
| 00:07.54 | Dagmar | If you let the network be a bit more open, you can just forward emails, bonk students who don't know to lay off the piracy, deal with the occasional judge's order for logs, and most days just give the RIAA the middle finger for anything that doesn't come with a subpoena attached. |
| 00:08.34 | Lulia | I thought I needed the frame code to make sure it happened when the addon loaded |
| 00:08.49 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: you need it for the ADDON_LOADED, but not PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 00:09.10 | Lulia | oh, well, okay |
| 00:09.15 | airtonix | what are the requirements to be employed by a university in America as a Network Administrator ? |
| 00:09.21 | Lulia | That doesn't change the issue with the error, but it's good to know |
| 00:09.34 | Hirsute | Dagmar: Aye, and now they do most ofthat anyway, *and* when students try to set up some server software, they can tell them, "Don't do that," instead of trying to convince an entitled freshman whose daddy is paying for his school that "We don't support that" |
| 00:09.35 | DWSR | airtonix: Depends on the uni, I'd imagine. |
| 00:09.38 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: did you delete it an test? |
| 00:09.39 | airtonix | Are they governed by a central education administration ? |
| 00:09.49 | Hirsute | airtonix: Not for stuff like that. |
| 00:09.52 | Dagmar | airtonix: Previous experience, a networking cert or two, literacy... not a whole ton |
| 00:10.03 | airtonix | police clearance ? |
| 00:10.07 | Lulia | DathAndroid_: huh? |
| 00:10.16 | Hirsute | Anyhow, it sucks, it pisses me off, but after 8 years of dealing with it, I'm almost done. |
| 00:10.17 | DWSR | airtonix: Probably not. |
| 00:10.27 | DarthAndroid_ | oh |
| 00:10.30 | Hirsute | airtonix:Definitely not. |
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| 00:10.41 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: you can't local PowSet = PowerBars.PowSet |
| 00:10.45 | Hirsute | At least, that'd be the rare exception, not the rule. |
| 00:10.46 | airtonix | lol |
| 00:10.46 | Dagmar | airtonix: They're colleges...not penal colonies |
| 00:10.50 | DarthAndroid_ | that will *always* be nil |
| 00:11.02 | Lulia | >.> |
| 00:11.06 | airtonix | Dagmar, :) |
| 00:11.07 | DWSR | DarthAndroid_: Why? |
| 00:11.13 | Dagmar | We actually employ a few (OMG!) foriegn nationals |
| 00:11.23 | DWSR | NO WAI |
| 00:11.29 | DWSR | Are you sure they have their green cards? |
| 00:11.37 | Dagmar | Very sure, actually. |
| 00:11.41 | DarthAndroid_ | because PowerBars.PowSet isn't defined until it's loaded by the ADDON_LOADED event, which doesn't occur until after that script runs |
| 00:11.43 | DWSR | But are you REALLY sure? |
| 00:12.06 | airtonix | Dagmar, I think australian universities are governed by Department of Education & Children Services... so pretty much anyone who wants to work there needs to first get police clearance. |
| 00:12.24 | Dagmar | Well, in part it's a matter of we liked them as student interns, so we decided to keep 'em. They've been here a long while now. |
| 00:12.38 | airtonix | (chained to the radiator) |
| 00:12.48 | Dagmar | Well, to the cube wall anyway |
| 00:13.16 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: Also, you should be using local function CreateFont(...) |
| 00:13.24 | DarthAndroid_ | emphasis on the local part |
| 00:13.28 | Lulia | >.> |
| 00:13.46 | Lulia | Maybe we should move this to a message window :P |
| 00:14.01 | DarthAndroid_ | you're creating global functions, and the CreateFont actually overwrites a blizz function. But you should fix it for all of them as good programming practice |
| 00:14.32 | airtonix | I'd really like to get a foldable bluetooth keyboard for my android phone |
| 00:14.46 | airtonix | or usb |
| 00:17.17 | Jerub | i don't type enough on it to justify that |
| 00:17.44 | Jerub | i'm usually actually typing on it on the bus or in bed. everywhere else has a computer |
| 00:17.50 | airtonix | spose |
| 00:18.00 | airtonix | i could carry around a liveUSB |
| 00:18.28 | Jerub | airtonix: i've been carrying around a ubuntu 10.10 livecd put on a usb stick using usb-creator |
| 00:18.41 | airtonix | same |
| 00:18.45 | Jerub | i used it to recover and reinstall my laptop a few weeks ago and it's just been in my pocket ever since :P |
| 00:19.32 | airtonix | fat32 has a max filesize of 2.something gb right ? |
| 00:20.08 | MentalPower | lua> print((2^31)-1)) |
| 00:20.08 | lua_bot | MentalPower: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 00:20.13 | TC-Work | i thought fat was 2 and fat32 was 4 |
| 00:20.23 | Cide | lua> (2^32-1)/1024/1024 |
| 00:20.24 | lua_bot | Cide: 4095.9999990463 |
| 00:20.28 | Cide | lua> (2^31-1)/1024/1024 |
| 00:20.28 | lua_bot | Cide: 2047.9999990463 |
| 00:20.58 | airtonix | cheers |
| 00:21.04 | Cide | fat32 should probably be 4 |
| 00:21.10 | MentalPower | Max file size4 GB minus 1 byte (or block size if smaller) |
| 00:27.49 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387876237/patch-4-0-1a-bug-fixes/ yay |
| 00:30.43 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387366462/battlegroup-matchmaking-change/ |
| 00:31.06 | Kraps | Whirlwind and Emberstorm look here ^ |
| 00:31.37 | Cide | let's hope it works out |
| 00:31.47 | Cide | global matchmaking should make it superfast |
| 00:32.01 | Matt646 | Nice |
| 00:32.29 | Lunessa | Does that mean I might have a chance to get matched against people noobier than I? |
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| 00:32.53 | Kraps | oh wow cide i just got what that post means |
| 00:33.04 | Matt646 | Yes, but it means you'll hopefully get matched quicker. |
| 00:33.20 | Kraps | so good |
| 00:34.52 | Cide | yep |
| 00:35.20 | Cide | the minds of world of warcraft players |
| 00:35.58 | Lunessa | All I know is, when Diablo III ships, I'm going to kick Shirik's ass repeatedly for all the ass-kickings he handed me in D3 at BlizzCon. |
| 00:36.12 | Cide | me too |
| 00:36.17 | Cide | for not kicking his ass at blizzcon |
| 00:36.35 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5674097/the-many-many-deaths-of-pc-gaming |
| 00:36.38 | Cide | and being kind enough not to attend |
| 00:37.12 | Lunessa | Heh. You should have said something, since I had an extra ticket. |
| 00:38.12 | Cide | I had tickets |
| 00:38.22 | Cide | but my school scheduled a final for the saturday |
| 00:38.45 | Matt646 | Ouch |
| 00:38.52 | Cide | so since it's so expensive I figured I might as well do it another year when the stars align up to screw me over |
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| 00:43.08 | cralor | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9193199/Court_orders_LimeWire_to_cease_file_sharing_business?taxonomyId=17 |
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| 00:46.28 | Lunessa | raise your hand if that ruling honestly shocked you. |
| 00:46.33 | TC-Work | Lunessa: how could you let that happen? just because he is an AI doesnt mean anything |
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| 00:47.37 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I think he made a deal with Tenacious D for an extra serving of Awesome so he could win at D3. |
| 00:52.40 | TC-Work | Why? it's not like they have any awesome |
| 00:52.56 | Lunessa | ... |
| 00:52.58 | Lunessa | Die. |
| 00:59.46 | Lulia | bangs head against wall repeatedly. |
| 01:00.09 | Lulia | falls over, unconscious. |
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| 01:01.51 | Lulia | So, I have a dilemma. I've moved all of my frame initialization to a function which is called from a "PLAYER_LOGIN" event frame. I did it because, for some reason, changing over to using a saved variable meant I was getting errors for the variable being nil otherwise. |
| 01:02.08 | Lulia | Unfortunately, some of my other functions have to access these frames |
| 01:02.37 | Cide | saved variables are available from ADDON_LOADED and on |
| 01:02.45 | Cide | not from PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 01:02.50 | Lulia | And these functions are generating errors as they try to access frames, even though they're not supposed to run until after the PLAYER_LOGIN" event fires. |
| 01:03.01 | Lulia | I grab them from ADDON_LOADED |
| 01:03.20 | Lulia | What I'm saying is, I added ADDON_LOADED to my script, to start using saved variables |
| 01:03.27 | Cide | but player_login is before addon_loaded I thought |
| 01:03.33 | Lulia | And I started getting nil variable errorsi n all of my frame initialization |
| 01:03.34 | Cide | could be wrong though |
| 01:03.54 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 01:04.02 | Lunessa | ADDON_LOADED comes after PLAYER_LOGIN but before P_E_W |
| 01:04.30 | Lulia | So I should change my Frame intilization function to fire on P_E_W? |
| 01:04.39 | Cide | or addon_loaded |
| 01:04.49 | Cide | because addon_loaded could fire after PEW if your addon is load on demand |
| 01:05.17 | Lunessa | true Cide. True. |
| 01:06.09 | Lulia | Well, changed them to ADDON_LOADED |
| 01:06.15 | Lulia | And I'm still getting the nil frame error |
| 01:06.18 | Lulia | >.> |
| 01:06.59 | Lunessa | What are you trying to do? |
| 01:07.11 | Lulia | Trying to unbreak my Addon |
| 01:07.17 | Lulia | It worked until I added saved variables |
| 01:07.40 | Cide | are you checking addon_loaded for the proper parameter? |
| 01:07.40 | Lulia | Unfortunately, saved variables are sort of necessary so people dont have to set it up every time |
| 01:07.43 | Cide | your addon, that is |
| 01:07.52 | Lulia | Oh, that might be it, one sec |
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| 01:09.23 | Lulia | Well, now it's a different error, so maybe that did it :) |
| 01:09.59 | Lulia | lol, I put a "then" where I meant "end" btw, that was the new error |
| 01:10.01 | Lulia | How embarrassing |
| 01:10.19 | Lulia | bah... I fixed that and now I'm back to the same error as before |
| 01:10.23 | Lulia | Blgraah? |
| 01:10.37 | Cide | this is the time when you paste the relevant code |
| 01:11.02 | Legorol | Has the 4.0.1a mini-patch fixed the bug with Northern Spices? |
| 01:11.19 | Lulia | The problem is you'd probably need to see the whole thing, +Cide |
| 01:11.30 | Cide | I like that |
| 01:11.39 | Cide | I shall be known as +Cide henceforth |
| 01:11.51 | Lulia | Oh, there's a +Cide in front of your name for me :X |
| 01:12.01 | Cide | that's because I'm voiced |
| 01:12.16 | Cide | commonly referred to as awesome |
| 01:12.20 | Lulia | The error is specifically one that I presume is due to initialization order. |
| 01:12.39 | Lulia | Specifically, there's a frame that the script is seeing as nil |
| 01:12.48 | Lunessa | Presume is your entire problem. |
| 01:12.56 | Lulia | Well |
| 01:13.08 | Lunessa | You need fresh eyes which don't have preconcieved notions of the problem. |
| 01:13.11 | Lulia | I have to presume, because I'm a newb :-/ |
| 01:13.26 | Lulia | The only other option is to give you all 400+ lines of script and the error |
| 01:13.29 | Lulia | Which isn't fair to you |
| 01:13.36 | Lulia | Nor do I expect you to poke through all of that. |
| 01:13.38 | Lunessa | Pastey is for this very reason. |
| 01:14.04 | Cide | I read 400 lines a deciminute |
| 01:14.43 | TC-Work | i ignore a lot more than that |
| 01:15.03 | Lulia | >.> |
| 01:15.09 | Legorol | Cide: if + is for awesome, does that make me awesome too? |
| 01:15.15 | Cide | yes |
| 01:15.19 | Cide | very much so |
| 01:15.28 | Lulia | http://paste.wowace.com/2700/ |
| 01:15.31 | Lulia | The error is: |
| 01:17.50 | TC-Work | Legorol: dont listen to Cide , he is the mean personality of fisker |
| 01:18.59 | Legorol | oh noes, I just noticed something.. the vanilla fish foods that used to give an mp5 buff now simply restore health like normal food :( |
| 01:19.03 | Lulia | line 432: attempt to index global 'PowTexture' (a nil value) |
| 01:19.05 | Legorol | i had a lot of them on various alts, i can trash them now |
| 01:19.09 | Legorol | sad sad |
| 01:19.09 | Lulia | That's the error |
| 01:19.50 | Cide | local PowTexture = ... |
| 01:20.06 | Lulia | Oh wait |
| 01:20.06 | Lulia | >.> |
| 01:20.08 | Cide | you create PowTexture as a local that's out of scope at 432 |
| 01:20.16 | Lulia | Right, because it wasnt in a function before |
| 01:20.19 | Lulia | Ugh |
| 01:20.24 | Lunessa | You mean the Greater Sagefish stuff? |
| 01:20.27 | Lulia | All of them are locals |
| 01:20.29 | Cide | just put local PowTexture; up top |
| 01:20.41 | Cide | local PowTexture, PBIntroFrame, ...; |
| 01:20.47 | Cide | for all of them |
| 01:20.51 | Lulia | Well |
| 01:20.53 | Cide | and remove the local in front inside the function |
| 01:21.09 | Lulia | I should probably put them in the PowerBars table |
| 01:21.16 | Cide | do as you please |
| 01:21.19 | Cide | you now know the erro |
| 01:21.22 | Cide | r |
| 01:21.23 | Lulia | Yes I do |
| 01:21.27 | Lulia | Now I feel like an idiot |
| 01:21.28 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 01:21.40 | Lulia | Would you suggest the local or putting them in the table? |
| 01:21.50 | Cide | depends on your needs |
| 01:22.13 | Cide | if that's the only file that needs access to them then an upvalie (locals) is fine |
| 01:22.16 | Cide | upvalue |
| 01:22.18 | Cide | and likely faster |
| 01:22.50 | Lulia | Right now I'm only running one file |
| 01:22.56 | Lulia | The intention is to split it eventually. |
| 01:23.29 | Cide | if you split it you can't have it as an upvalue |
| 01:23.34 | schnoggo | Hey gang. Been away from WoW for the last 5-6 months... Is there a "4.x API Changes" overview somewhere? |
| 01:23.36 | A-KO | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387876560/deathwing-is-coming/ |
| 01:23.37 | A-KO | okay |
| 01:23.40 | A-KO | that's freaking AWESOME |
| 01:23.44 | Lulia | Right, so I'd need it in the global |
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| 01:24.32 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 01:24.41 | A-KO | yes, yes it is |
| 01:24.42 | Dagmar | @bluetext... YAY NO MORE PANSIE MECHANICS! |
| 01:25.05 | Lulia | wow |
| 01:25.32 | Lulia | I feel bad for all the poor newbies though. "Oh yay! I just got level 11. Wait, what is tha--" |
| 01:25.37 | Lulia | "You have died!" |
| 01:25.40 | Lulia | Erm |
| 01:26.41 | Cide | no telling it's going to happen in the newbie zones |
| 01:27.02 | Dajova | Lulia: That would be a hella wakeup call for them once they hit 85 *ok, i got killed as a newbie by deathwing, so i aint gonna face him. EVER!* |
| 01:27.09 | schnoggo | No sticky in the Blizz forums for 4.x API changes... Is this reasonably correct? http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_4.0.1/API_changes |
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| 01:29.06 | Dagmar | They can always hearth |
| 01:29.47 | Dajova | Dagmar: They probably wont have the time to the reaction time to do so |
| 01:30.02 | Cide | ost newbies have their hearth in the same zone anyway |
| 01:30.09 | Cide | most |
| 01:30.26 | Dagmar | Dajove: They'd better learn to click faster then |
| 01:30.54 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:31.04 | Dagmar | They can think of it like a more advanced version of "DON'T STAND IN THE STUFF". |
| 01:31.07 | Dajova | they'r just gonna stand there, like *ok, i see a dragon flying towards me, anyone knows wh----* *You have died.* *ok, that does it!* *-logs out-* |
| 01:31.08 | Wobin | omg *hearth* phew! *ARRRRGH* |
| 01:31.34 | Wobin | if he's going to be strafing zones |
| 01:31.41 | Wobin | does that mean everything will burn? |
| 01:31.44 | Wobin | permanently? |
| 01:31.47 | Cide | only your mom |
| 01:31.58 | Cide | and every other sinful being |
| 01:32.01 | Wobin | Yeah, that's what she said after last night with you |
| 01:32.28 | Dagmar | I seriously doubt that the entire thing from the sky darkening to barbecue mode will take less than ten seconds |
| 01:32.30 | Cide | I don't doubt it |
| 01:32.32 | Wobin | You should probably get that checked |
| 01:32.33 | Cide | we had some hot stuff going |
| 01:32.48 | Wobin | she wasn't too impressed, actually |
| 01:32.53 | Wobin | but she laughed =) |
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| 01:33.18 | Cide | I think you misunderstood |
| 01:33.23 | Cide | that was when I showed her the picture of your penis |
| 01:33.45 | Wobin | That's how you get women going? Showing them pictures of their son's dangly bits? |
| 01:33.51 | Wobin | You need to work on your technique |
| 01:33.54 | TC-Work | "Once free to terrorize the world, Deathwing will randomly choose territories in Azeroth to attack each day until his ruinous reign is brought to an end." so....next xpac? |
| 01:33.59 | Cide | seemed to work quite alright |
| 01:34.06 | Lulia | omg, it's working again |
| 01:34.13 | Lulia | You guys are awesome btw |
| 01:34.14 | A-KO | TC-Work: I would imagine until he dies for the first time, then he'll stop. |
| 01:34.15 | Cide | of course |
| 01:34.19 | Cide | if you do it right it turns out right |
| 01:34.26 | Cide | ^ my motto as a teacher |
| 01:34.31 | Wobin | A-KO: til he respawns =P |
| 01:34.50 | TC-Work | yea, that does seem to fit in with how it usually works |
| 01:34.54 | TC-Work | doesnt* |
| 01:35.22 | Dajova | TC-Work, i think as long as the pre-event for cataclysm lasts |
| 01:35.23 | Wobin | maybe there won't be a next xpac |
| 01:35.24 | Cide | seems like it'll be a while then |
| 01:35.24 | A-KO | nah TC-Work, I suspect it will be tied to the server first death. |
| 01:35.39 | Wobin | Deathwing's final throes will tear the planet asunder |
| 01:35.50 | Wobin | leaving us the only way out is into World of Starcraft |
| 01:35.51 | Dajova | final toes? |
| 01:35.54 | Dajova | o_O |
| 01:36.06 | Wobin | Dajova: you're missing a th |
| 01:36.08 | A-KO | Wobin: I don't think it means that it will rip Azeroth apart. |
| 01:36.12 | Dajova | cba |
| 01:36.18 | A-KO | in the physical sense |
| 01:36.24 | Dajova | and its hr |
| 01:36.27 | Dajova | not th |
| 01:36.29 | Dajova | :P |
| 01:36.33 | Lulia | Now I just need to figure out why, if I move them or resize them it doesn't stick |
| 01:36.35 | Lulia | :P |
| 01:36.36 | Wobin | haha, so you could be arsed =P |
| 01:36.42 | A-KO | Just that it will cause another, similarly cataclysmic event that was the first war |
| 01:36.52 | Dajova | only when u speak! |
| 01:36.54 | Dajova | :x |
| 01:37.00 | Wobin | I just had to present it incorrectly, and the INTERNET came through with the goods =P |
| 01:37.06 | Wobin | "Someone is -wrong- on the internet!!" |
| 01:37.13 | A-KO | yes |
| 01:37.21 | Dajova | omg troll in in tha house! |
| 01:37.30 | Dajova | *is |
| 01:37.31 | Dagmar | Wobin: /v/ specializes in it |
| 01:37.33 | Wobin | points to Fisker |
| 01:37.55 | Wobin | Dagmar: I make it a rule never to browse 4chan |
| 01:38.15 | Dajova | anyway, time for bed now, gn nabs! o/ |
| 01:38.16 | Dagmar | Wobin: That's a good thing. |
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| 01:45.03 | Jerub | Lulia: at least it's an achievemnt |
| 01:45.11 | Lulia | :P |
| 01:47.31 | Mr_Rabies | anyone else been having a problem since the patch where their loot window is closed, like you right click to loot, and it disappears, but works fine when you reloot? |
| 01:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinking it's an addon of some sort but it's driving me crazy |
| 01:51.02 | Hirsute | Joy. I fracking *hated* the zombiepocalypse with Wrath. Now I get to deal with random acts of npc douchebaggery instead of player douchebaggery. I severely hope it isn't going to keep happening until the next xpac. |
| 01:51.19 | Hirsute | And I hope someone kills him quickly once he's available. |
| 01:51.30 | Hirsute | schnoggo: That's as complete as anything I've seen. |
| 01:51.32 | Wobin | Hirsute: just don't spend time in Azeroth then |
| 01:51.41 | Hirsute | Aside from FrameXML, that is. |
| 01:52.00 | schnoggo | Hirsute: thanks |
| 01:53.03 | Hirsute | Wobin: Ah, yes. Don't worry about getting to 85, or seeing new content at all. Yeah, I'll not avoid Azeroth, and once it's happening I'll not repeatedly bitch about it either, as I'll be choosing to participate. But it really isn't something I'm looking forward to at all. |
| 01:53.34 | Wobin | Hirsute: are the new zones in azeroth? |
| 01:53.39 | A-KO | WIND FIELDS WILL SUPPORT ORGANIZED LINEAR STORMS CAPABLE OF DAMAGING WIND GUSTS AND NOCTURNAL TORNADOES. THE BEST CHANCES FOR SEVERE WEATHER DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AFTER 10 PM. |
| 01:53.48 | Hirsute | Wobin: Yes |
| 01:53.49 | A-KO | Hyjal is :P |
| 01:54.01 | A-KO | Twilight Highlands |
| 01:54.04 | Lulia | So... |
| 01:54.06 | Wobin | eh |
| 01:54.12 | A-KO | it'll happen so rarely |
| 01:54.15 | Hirsute | Remember, Azeroth can refer to one continent, or it can refer to *everything except outlands* |
| 01:54.19 | A-KO | chances are a lot of people won't ever see it. |
| 01:54.25 | A-KO | Hirsute: I doubt it'll include anythign in Northrend |
| 01:54.29 | Lulia | How do I get it to save the size and location of frames that are moved or resized? |
| 01:54.34 | A-KO | and it certainly won't be deepholm |
| 01:54.36 | Wobin | idle in Nagrand |
| 01:54.40 | Wobin | it's pretty there |
| 01:54.50 | Hirsute | A-KO: I agree, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't effect all of EK and Kalimdor. |
| 01:55.09 | A-KO | Hirsute: Sure, but it won't affect Vash'jir either ;P |
| 01:55.13 | Hirsute | And I might have read it wrong, but I *thought* it said he'd pick a zone to attack *each day* |
| 01:55.38 | Hirsute | That's not infrequent. |
| 01:55.40 | A-KO | sure, but it's literally once, lasts a few seconds |
| 01:55.41 | A-KO | and that's that |
| 01:55.44 | A-KO | that's pretty infrequent |
| 01:55.51 | A-KO | considering it can happen at say, 6AM in the morning when you're not on |
| 01:55.54 | A-KO | and it's done and over with |
| 01:55.56 | Wobin | and the chances of it happening when you're playing... |
| 01:56.00 | A-KO | to some random zone killing a couple of players |
| 01:56.00 | Hirsute | *crosses fingers* |
| 01:56.04 | Wobin | unless you're going to play 24hrs =P |
| 01:56.10 | A-KO | It's not that big of a deal honestly |
| 01:56.20 | Wobin | basically HTFU =) |
| 01:56.25 | Hirsute | A-KO: People said the same thing about the damn zombiepocalys. |
| 01:56.29 | A-KO | and it wasn't? |
| 01:56.45 | Wobin | I never had too much issue with the zombie event |
| 01:56.51 | A-KO | neither did I |
| 01:57.01 | A-KO | If you want an event, the AQ gate opening was an event :P |
| 01:57.04 | Hirsute | The zombiepocalyps was the single most retarded thing (IMO) Blizz has ever done. It completely disrupted my play for almost its entire duration. |
| 01:57.05 | A-KO | that took down the whole damn server! |
| 01:57.10 | Wobin | A-KO: haha, no it wasn't =P |
| 01:57.17 | Wobin | it was an event -theoretically- |
| 01:57.20 | Lulia | I remember reading about a function which explicitly tells WoW to save user-moved and sized frames |
| 01:57.24 | Lulia | But I dont remember what it was |
| 01:57.25 | A-KO | Wobin: when 500,000 people showed up to each one |
| 01:57.25 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:57.27 | A-KO | it was an event :P |
| 01:57.37 | Hirsute | Lulia: No idea, I always thought you had to do that yourself. |
| 01:57.44 | Lulia | How? |
| 01:57.45 | Wobin | no there's one |
| 01:57.52 | Matt646 | I helped farm for days for the scepter so there was no way I wasn't going to be there |
| 01:57.53 | Lulia | Is there a function which I can grab the size and coordinates from? |
| 01:58.57 | Hirsute | Lulia: I would expect you store the anchor-point coords in a table in the SV, and read them out again when opening the window. That said, Wobin says there is a function, and I'm inclined to believe anyone other than me regarding most graphical work in WoW. |
| 01:59.51 | Lulia | Well, should I do it myself or use the function? :-/ |
| 02:00.09 | Lulia | I dont know either method really, so there's learning involved either way |
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| 02:00.40 | Wobin | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_SetUserPlaced maybe |
| 02:00.45 | Wobin | or something |
| 02:01.07 | Wobin | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_StartMoving |
| 02:01.47 | A-KO | Positions of anonymous frames (frames without a name) will not be restored. |
| 02:01.48 | A-KO | Only frames created prior to the completion of the initial loading process will have their position restored. |
| 02:01.51 | A-KO | ^^^ |
| 02:02.26 | Lulia | Is there a SetUserSized function? |
| 02:02.33 | Cide | no |
| 02:02.40 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 02:03.02 | Wobin | do it yourself, would probably be the easiest solution |
| 02:03.05 | Wobin | or simplest |
| 02:03.06 | Lulia | Oh, I use the variable name to reference my frames so I don't name them. |
| 02:03.15 | Lulia | So, I guess I'll do that. |
| 02:03.55 | Lulia | Thanks guys :) |
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| 02:07.23 | A-KO | so did blizzard get rid of all reagents? |
| 02:07.26 | A-KO | for buffs and everything? |
| 02:07.29 | Cide | nope |
| 02:07.35 | A-KO | what stuck around? |
| 02:07.39 | Cide | levitate still requires light feathers unglyphed |
| 02:07.50 | A-KO | oh, what I mean is, stuff you purchase from vnedors |
| 02:07.59 | A-KO | symbols of kings/etc. |
| 02:08.02 | Cide | that's a small distinction :P |
| 02:08.16 | A-KO | symbols, seeds, candles |
| 02:12.29 | Lulia | Odd |
| 02:12.33 | Lulia | I dont see a GetFrameSize |
| 02:12.34 | Lulia | hmm |
| 02:12.59 | Lulia | Ah, GetWidth |
| 02:13.12 | Lulia | :) |
| 02:19.05 | Hirsute | Heh: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387876363/hallow-s-end-is-upon-us |
| 02:28.13 | Hirsute | Also: points to blizz for letting the conversion of stats result in other-wise-identical gems have different itemIDs. |
| 02:28.36 | Shadowed | are you saying thats a good or bad thing |
| 02:29.39 | Lulia | lol, tried adding a variable to save width and height and suddenly the location isn't being saved anymore >.> |
| 02:29.48 | Matt646 | Bad because I don't know the names of any gems anymore ;p |
| 02:30.02 | Shadowed | Why they did it makes perfect sense |
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| 02:31.41 | Shadowed | no benefit to blizzard by merging itemids together, except for a risk of something going wrong and causing more maintenance |
| 02:33.55 | Legorol | wow, i just tried my level 52 mage that was leveling as frost |
| 02:34.01 | Legorol | before the patch, it was very boring |
| 02:34.03 | Legorol | now it's fun ^^ |
| 02:34.08 | Legorol | good job blizz |
| 02:37.31 | Lulia | That's so wierd. How does adding a height and width variable break the saved placement?? |
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| 02:47.51 | Shirik | boo boop be doop |
| 02:48.28 | Hirsute | Shadowed: It's amazingly irritating from an AH perspective, as those items have different itemIDs, but are otherwise exactly the same, but as a result of natural variability develop different average prices on the AH, making users report lots of "This item seems schizophrenic" stuff. It's because the item *is* schizophrenic right now. |
| 02:48.53 | Shadowed | shrugs |
| 02:49.55 | Shadowed | I can almost guarantee you the conversation went like this: "We need to convert all current gems to the new stat system, we can either purely convert stats, or convert and merge itemids. The latter is more likely to cause issues and will take more resources and times to do" |
| 02:50.14 | Shadowed | and someone went "Well why would we be dumb enough to do the latter then, just convert without merging" |
| 02:50.42 | Arrowmaster | its exactly what they did when they removed +healing |
| 02:50.52 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:51.10 | Hirsute | Shadowed: I figured there'd be more chance of causing an error by replacing all the data within the container, so to speak, instead of just exchanging all the old ocntainers for the new ones. |
| 02:51.23 | Arrowmaster | the +healing enchants became +spellpower of a slightly different amount than the normal +spellpower |
| 02:51.45 | Shadowed | Obviously I don't know how Blizzards internal DB is setup, but I'm almost positive it's easier to change stats on items |
| 02:51.55 | Hirsute | Dandy. |
| 02:51.59 | Shadowed | than it is to convert every single item people have to a new itemid |
| 02:52.13 | Shadowed | every single instance of item X, I should say |
| 02:52.50 | Shadowed | One is mucking with the stats for one area, the other is touching pretty much every single part of the DB since you have bags, banks, mail, AH |
| 02:52.55 | Matt646 | "Why would we do it right, that would require us to learn something and do it different."--http://xkcd.com/801/ |
| 02:53.40 | Shadowed | Right is a matter of opinion |
| 02:53.52 | Hirsute | Shadowed: Fair enough. It may be easier to change stats, but in many cases they changed stats, name, and color. That's three changes. I just figured it'd be easier to do a replacement of item 6->item 13, item 7->item13, item8->item11, etc. |
| 02:54.06 | Shadowed | That's three changes to one item :p |
| 02:54.20 | Shadowed | vs a ton of changes to just swapping ids |
| 02:55.45 | Hirsute | Thinking about it the way you are, you're right, the way they did it makes sense, and it doesn't pose any real playability issues. The issues it did create are fairly minor, and temporary (the old items will eventually be consumed). It's just really, really weird to see 3 Purified Dreadstones with different market prices. |
| 02:55.54 | Shadowed | Matt646: Right is not just what is the absolute best way, ideally they would merge itemids sure, but it's not the most effective use of time, neither is it the safest. There's no disadvantage (for Blizzard) to not merging items |
| 02:56.22 | Shadowed | especially for something that is temporary and won't matter much in another two months |
| 02:56.33 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 02:57.21 | Matt646 | I know, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have done the same thing but both solutions are kinda wacky |
| 02:57.26 | Hirsute | Of course, if their freaking "of the" greens that have the same name, but different stats had all had the same stats, we might be using item names instead of item ids to identify these items, and this wouldn't be an issue. |
| 02:58.52 | Hirsute | But probably not, as that could cause problems if a user ever changed a toon from using one locale to another. |
| 02:59.46 | Hirsute | it'd just be nice if there was a 1:1 name:id mapping, instead of a Many:1 |
| 03:00.09 | Hirsute | And likewise for itemStats:ID mapping, it'd be nice if it was 1:1 |
| 03:01.24 | Hirsute | But, like you said, the former case won't matter in two months. |
| 03:01.42 | Hirsute | Possibly less time than that, depending on how quickly the old, converted gems are replaced by newly cut ones on the AH. |
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| 03:02.17 | Matt646 | The good news is Blizzard's next major change to make everything easier is to remove gear entirely, then we don't need to worry about itemid's :D |
| 03:04.46 | Shirik | Yall know the online petition sites and those types of things. Is there anything similar for specifications? |
| 03:04.54 | Shirik | Like if you want to collaboratively work on a specification online |
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| 03:05.47 | Iriel | A wiki? |
| 03:06.06 | Matt646 | GoogleDocs? |
| 03:06.20 | Lulia | PBBasePowFrame:SetPoint(): Couldn't find region named '(null)', bleh? |
| 03:06.34 | Lulia | That error makes no sense to me |
| 03:06.46 | Hirsute | Matt646: :p |
| 03:07.01 | Shirik | I knew an answer was going to be GoogleDocs |
| 03:07.11 | Shirik | I was looking for a more... tailored solution |
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| 03:09.11 | cogwheel | Shirik: Google Wave imo |
| 03:09.14 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 03:09.38 | Thunder_Child | âJulius Caesar? Isnât that the sequel to Romeo & Juliet?â *sigh* |
| 03:10.22 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: there are programs just for realtime collaborative work. |
| 03:10.33 | Shirik | but that's not all you need |
| 03:10.43 | Shirik | you also need like issue reports |
| 03:10.47 | Shirik | comments |
| 03:11.00 | Shirik | voting |
| 03:11.12 | Shirik | in before cogwheel "google wave can do all of that!!" |
| 03:11.24 | Lulia | I cant even begin to debug because I don't even know what that error means :( |
| 03:11.33 | cogwheel | forgot the </troll> :P |
| 03:12.00 | Shirik | Lulia: Sounds like you're doing SetPoint() and passing it something that's not a frame |
| 03:12.16 | Thunder_Child | to something? |
| 03:14.00 | Lulia | BasePowFrame:SetPoint(PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Point, PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].RelativeTo, PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].RelativePoint, PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].X_Ofs, PowerBarsDB.PowSet.Frame[1].Y_Ofs); |
| 03:14.17 | Lulia | All of those values are gathered from GetPoint() |
| 03:14.31 | Shirik | your RelativeTo is probably wrong |
| 03:14.33 | Lulia | So if something in there isn't a frame, it's because GetPoint didn't give me one |
| 03:14.43 | Lulia | Now, oddly enough, when I look through my saved variables file. |
| 03:14.47 | Lulia | RelativeTo is not a frame |
| 03:14.51 | Lulia | It's a bunch of odd stuff |
| 03:14.53 | Shirik | in your saved variables? |
| 03:14.54 | Shirik | No |
| 03:14.57 | Shirik | You cannot save a frame |
| 03:15.05 | Shirik | Don't try to |
| 03:15.10 | Shirik | you're going to piss off the serializer |
| 03:15.25 | Lulia | I just wanted to save the frame location so that I could keep its position |
| 03:15.34 | Lulia | since the layout file decided it didnt want to do it for me |
| 03:15.38 | Lulia | For no explicable reason |
| 03:15.50 | Lulia | I need to save its name then, right? |
| 03:16.00 | Shirik | that's an option, but not all frames have names |
| 03:16.50 | Hirsute | Lulia: Or you might save the coordinates of the anchor points, then when constructing your frame on the next load, you'd read the anchor point coords from the table before constructing them. |
| 03:16.57 | Lulia | Oh, well, I suppose what it's relative to cant be changed anyways |
| 03:17.00 | Lulia | That's something I set. |
| 03:17.05 | Lulia | That the user cant change |
| 03:17.11 | Shirik | ok then you're fine |
| 03:17.31 | Lulia | But GetPoint() returns it |
| 03:17.37 | Lulia | Do I just save it in a toss away variable? |
| 03:17.52 | Shirik | Sure |
| 03:21.35 | Lulia | Thanks for that :) |
| 03:22.00 | Lulia | I had everything working, then I hit "reset to defaults" for my addon to test it out and it all broke. I about died inside. |
| 03:25.43 | amro | Shirik: http://discorax.posterous.com/6-pool-youre-doing-it-wrong-sc2 |
| 03:26.36 | Shirik | I have found a totally new use for DOSbox |
| 03:26.48 | Shirik | It can run The Oregon Trail |
| 03:27.01 | Thunder_Child | so can an ipod touch |
| 03:27.06 | Thunder_Child | and iphone |
| 03:27.15 | Baps | You have died of dissentary |
| 03:27.20 | Shirik | no iphone! |
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| 03:28.45 | DJJeff | Dear Blizzard, please fix it so my addon sounds play on a seperate channel then the game music |
| 03:29.27 | DJJeff | I wonder if there is a forum thread talking about this |
| 03:29.29 | DJJeff | already |
| 03:30.01 | DJJeff | NPC's should have a seperate sound channel as well |
| 03:30.19 | Matt646 | I'd rather they fix the really loud laucher first. |
| 03:30.25 | DJJeff | well maybe thats debateable |
| 03:30.39 | DJJeff | meh... I just turn off the launcher |
| 03:31.00 | DJJeff | it tells you when there are updates when starting the game w/o the launcher |
| 03:34.35 | Lulia | Well, today took forever. |
| 03:35.16 | Lulia | But I added resizing, saved variables, and changed how moving and resizing is toggled in my AddOn today (changing it from check boxes in the interface panel to a separate dialog with buttons instead) |
| 03:35.29 | Lulia | And lots of you guys helped me along the way, so thank you :) |
| 03:37.02 | Motig | DJJeff I made an addon that makes npc's talk even when sfx is turned off |
| 03:37.03 | Motig | :p |
| 03:37.16 | Motig | *well allows you to hear their speech |
| 03:41.25 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387366608/new-wow-community-site-coming-soon/ |
| 03:42.33 | Trela | Kraps: I am so fucked at work for the next month. |
| 03:43.27 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2043-Patch-4.0.1a-Bug-Fixes \o/ |
| 03:43.43 | Kraps | Trela: ? |
| 03:44.11 | Trela | I am responsible for coding the new blue tracker for MMO-Champion. :P Which means ton of work for making it work for the new WoW forums. |
| 03:44.33 | Kraps | pics! |
| 03:44.43 | Bibi | showoff. |
| 03:44.50 | Bibi | runs away |
| 03:45.29 | Trela | Bibi: HEY YOU! *Chases!* |
| 03:45.31 | Matt646 | You could always get started now, write it based on the sc2 forums, knowing Blizzard they'll be exactly the same with a new skin. |
| 03:45.49 | Thunder_Child | you didnt get a picture of the ghost Bibi, you fail |
| 03:46.03 | Kraps | at blizzcon? |
| 03:46.06 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 03:46.12 | Thunder_Child | at least, i didnt see it posted |
| 03:46.13 | Kraps | she was badass |
| 03:46.34 | Kraps | how was she not in the top 5 :/ |
| 03:46.35 | Trela | Matt646: We already have the new SC2 forums covered. I am sure there will be a difference in how avatars are laid out that will break my parsing. |
| 03:47.15 | Matt646 | Mmmm fun |
| 03:47.37 | Matt646 | They have a lot of conditional sytlesheet includes on the sc2 forums lol |
| 03:50.24 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387366445&sid=1&pageNo=2#27 |
| 03:50.57 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27387876192&pageNo=2#24 |
| 03:51.28 | Matt646 | Haha the questgiver quest is epic |
| 03:53.14 | Jerub | it's so epic i hope it becomes a daily. |
| 03:54.37 | Kraps | Trela: what will the new tracker have |
| 03:54.58 | Trela | Kraps: STUFF! |
| 03:55.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: tracking abilies |
| 03:55.03 | Trela | http://newblue.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 03:55.16 | Thunder_Child | ablities* |
| 03:55.26 | Kraps | heavy |
| 03:55.30 | Trela | Note: Click on the blue names and forums. Can also sort by categories. |
| 03:56.06 | Matt646 | Rounded corners, omg pretty! |
| 03:57.04 | Kraps | EU has the uk flag OMG |
| 03:57.58 | Trela | Is that bad? :O |
| 03:58.08 | Thunder_Child | i think good |
| 03:58.41 | Trela | Only the English Europe section has the UK flag. The other languages, which are hidden, use their respective home countries. |
| 03:58.41 | Kraps | personally idc |
| 03:59.11 | Kraps | http://www.setsunakou.com/costume/miscvariouscostumes/games/3/jainaproudmoorefull2.jpg <---- jaina in her streetwalking days |
| 04:01.38 | Kraps | Trela: planning to add a search function? :) |
| 04:02.05 | Trela | Kraps: It is on the list. |
| 04:02.31 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: was that before she used magic to make herself pretty? |
| 04:02.44 | Kraps | lol tc |
| 04:02.50 | Trela | I am also working on adding country/language seleciton. |
| 04:02.54 | Trela | *selection. |
| 04:03.44 | Trela | http://www.blogcdn.com/wow.joystiq.com/media/2009/10/zach-jaina-new-580.jpg |
| 04:05.59 | Matt646 | Beta launcher has been "Applying non-critical updates." forever, I think its lying. |
| 04:06.20 | Iriel | It's not lying |
| 04:06.23 | Iriel | it's really doing something |
| 04:06.26 | Iriel | eventually it does finish |
| 04:07.28 | Matt646 | There's no way to get more detailed progress on what its doing is there? :| |
| 04:07.39 | Iriel | not that I know of |
| 04:08.14 | amro | Matt646: you don't have to wait for it to finish |
| 04:08.27 | Matt646 | Well there may not be that but there are two Parental Controls links! |
| 04:08.59 | Matt646 | I know I don't but I'm just doing homework so I figured I would make sure its up to date |
| 04:09.20 | Iriel | That message means it's up to date, but it's got some local housekeeping to finish |
| 04:09.22 | Matt646 | Speaking of which it just finished. |
| 04:09.26 | Iriel | It wont impact your gameplay in any way |
| 04:10.24 | Hirsute | Iriel: Sometimes, like when it runs for 4 days straight, I think it's lying too. |
| 04:11.18 | Matt646 | "Pretending to do something so you'll leave the launcher open and share patch data with others" |
| 04:18.43 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkd5dJIVjgM |
| 04:30.12 | Matt646 | Are they really filling SesameStreet with meme's now? |
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| 04:42.08 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTWto-vJRq4 |
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| 04:46.39 | Trela | Kraps: Huh, I thought that was released last year. |
| 04:47.21 | Arrowmaster | one of the comments says its from last year but is just now getting released on youtube |
| 04:47.56 | Shirik | I don't get it Kraps |
| 04:48.02 | pantsninja | how do I find out what the arguments are for an undocumented function? |
| 04:48.16 | Arrowmaster | what function |
| 04:48.17 | Shirik | pantsninja: Probably you ask us |
| 04:48.43 | pantsninja | CanSolveArtifact() |
| 04:48.43 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Yep. |
| 04:48.54 | pantsninja | (as an example) |
| 04:48.55 | Arrowmaster | !api CanSolveArtifact |
| 04:48.55 | lua_bot | CanSolveArtifact: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CanSolveArtifact) |
| 04:49.05 | pantsninja | hence undocumented |
| 04:49.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: go figure it out and document it for the poor guy |
| 04:49.43 | Shirik | I have a better question |
| 04:49.48 | Shirik | why do you need to know? |
| 04:50.12 | pantsninja | I was considering writing an addon that told you when you had an artifact to solve |
| 04:50.16 | Arrowmaster | try checking how its used by the blizzard code in the framexml |
| 04:50.17 | pantsninja | because atm, there's no alert |
| 04:50.39 | Shirik | Ok at the risk of sounding stupid here |
| 04:50.44 | Shirik | I know I haven't played 4.0 |
| 04:50.47 | Shirik | but wtf is an artifact |
| 04:50.50 | Kraps | Shirik: sos your mom |
| 04:51.11 | pantsninja | Shirik: in Archaeology you collect fragments to create an artifact |
| 04:51.16 | Dagmar | It's an OLD THING. |
| 04:51.42 | pantsninja | Fragments are stored as a type of currency, and if you get enough for any given race's artifact (in progress), then you can solve it and move on to the next one |
| 04:52.17 | Shirik | maybe I will take Arrowmaster's challenge |
| 04:52.18 | pantsninja | There's also things like GetArtifactProgress() to help you figure out current progress and whatnot |
| 04:53.34 | pantsninja | (Which I am also not sure what arguments it's expecting) |
| 04:54.56 | pantsninja | at this point I've figured out what events I care about.... I just need to figure out how to call the APIs to get the information I care about |
| 04:55.05 | Matt646 | Unless I forgot to update my copy of FrameXML and the Blizzard addons GetArtifactProgress and CanSolveArtifact don't appear anywhere in the 4.0.1 UI. |
| 04:55.18 | pantsninja | Matt646: right. This is for Cataclysm |
| 04:55.40 | pantsninja | ~framexml |
| 04:55.41 | purl | Download FrameXML code/art from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 04:56.03 | Matt646 | Is there an addon kit tool thingy that works for the beta client or do I have to grab it manually? |
| 04:56.13 | pantsninja | I have no idea :-\ |
| 05:00.39 | pantsninja | oh, and are we using WoWWiki or WoWpedia now? |
| 05:01.51 | Arrowmaster | for api stuff? neither |
| 05:02.46 | pantsninja | wowprogramming? |
| 05:04.37 | Matt646 | Only call to CanSolveArtifact in the 4.0.3 code is Blizzard_ArcheologyUI.lua:225 and they're just using it for a conditional. |
| 05:05.19 | Matt646 | GetArtifactProgress on line 216, local base, adjust, totalCost = GetArtifactProgress(); |
| 05:06.11 | Iriel | Sounds like it's stateful based on a selected artifact, or something? |
| 05:06.58 | Matt646 | Looks like it, same with these as well. |
| 05:07.03 | Matt646 | local RaceName, RaceCurrency, RaceTexture, RaceitemID = GetArchaeologyRaceInfo(self.raceID); local name, description, rarity, icon, spellDescription, numSockets, bgTexture = GetSelectedArtifactInfo(); |
| 05:07.30 | pantsninja | :-\ |
| 05:09.20 | Matt646 | SetSelectedArtifact(RaceID, ArtifactID); |
| 05:09.20 | pantsninja | SetSelectedArtifact() then, then call GetArtifactProgress(), I guess |
| 05:09.36 | pantsninja | yeah, lemme try that |
| 05:11.39 | pantsninja | hrm |
| 05:11.43 | pantsninja | I can't get it to set |
| 05:12.47 | pantsninja | I'll have to mess with it more. I bet I'm using the wrong IDs |
| 05:13.36 | pantsninja | oh |
| 05:13.39 | pantsninja | I figured it out |
| 05:13.57 | pantsninja | HAHA! |
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| 05:33.34 | pantsninja | ok, I have a good starting point now. Thanks for the help |
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| 05:34.15 | Matt646 | No problem. Good luck |
| 05:35.32 | Wobin | Shirik: artefacts are a time sink |
| 05:36.01 | pantsninja | Wobin: so is developing addons... |
| 05:36.31 | Wobin | undeniably |
| 05:36.44 | Wobin | but one you can essentially get paid for |
| 05:36.58 | pantsninja | that's news to me |
| 05:37.21 | Matt646 | What about the pets and the mount though? |
| 05:37.23 | TMc51 | replace "essentially" with "potentially" and you're spot on. |
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| 06:01.10 | Wobin | hm |
| 06:01.22 | Wobin | I shouldn't have waited til parity to claim my $500USD |
| 06:01.25 | Wobin | damn =P |
| 06:01.29 | Wobin | foiled! |
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| 06:03.10 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 06:03.18 | Fisker | i can turn $500USD into $10USD |
| 06:03.26 | Fisker | for free |
| 06:05.53 | Matt646 | I've got a better deal for ya, $500USD into $400USD |
| 06:06.03 | Fisker | sweet |
| 06:06.12 | Fisker | they're going to launch a new wow site soon |
| 06:06.19 | Fisker | maybe this time it will be updated :O |
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| 07:48.11 | Computerpunk | Sup? :3 |
| 07:54.06 | unfo- | ohai |
| 07:54.20 | Computerpunk | awkwerd silenks :< |
| 07:55.02 | unfo- | casts mass dispel on channel |
| 07:55.06 | unfo- | SILENCE REMOVED |
| 07:55.12 | DarthAndroid_ | solarbeams |
| 07:55.19 | DarthAndroid_ | roots |
| 07:55.24 | unfo- | basterd! |
| 07:55.33 | DarthAndroid_ | cyclones unfo- |
| 07:55.55 | DarthAndroid_ | switches targets, to prevent DRs |
| 07:58.49 | Computerpunk | vanishes and uses wall climb to hide from everyone else. |
| 07:59.24 | DarthAndroid_ | offers Computerpunk a delicious wild mushroom! |
| 08:00.05 | Computerpunk | doesn't even move. <AFK> 0.99 mins, moving after that. |
| 08:03.53 | unfo- | DarthAndroid_, speaking of which, do you do druid pvp per chance?-) |
| 08:04.07 | DarthAndroid_ | no :( |
| 08:04.09 | DarthAndroid_ | well |
| 08:04.12 | DarthAndroid_ | I take that back |
| 08:04.14 | DarthAndroid_ | there was this one time |
| 08:04.41 | unfo- | lol |
| 08:04.46 | DarthAndroid_ | that I got a holy pally to sit on me while I blew shit up in EoTS in full PvE gear |
| 08:04.50 | DarthAndroid_ | while giggling manically to myself |
| 08:05.06 | DarthAndroid_ | but beyond that, no. |
| 08:05.23 | unfo- | k :) |
| 08:05.29 | unfo- | i have been pondering season 9 |
| 08:05.49 | DarthAndroid_ | (it's fun watching people in 1100 resil take 15K crits twice in a row :P) |
| 08:06.02 | unfo- | and having 8 chars >70 (6 80) i have a whole sleuth to choose from + i am starting the last 2 remaining classes in cata |
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| 08:06.26 | msoul | Morning lads |
| 08:06.38 | unfo- | i think maybe the character i play from 1-85 would be the best choice since i at least would get a proper feel for how that class is played |
| 08:06.38 | Fisker | Oh screw you haste :( |
| 08:06.51 | unfo- | so it'd be either mage or warrior |
| 08:07.13 | Jerub | i like warrior levelling |
| 08:07.18 | Jerub | mage levelling can be painful. |
| 08:07.26 | msoul | it is Jerub |
| 08:07.29 | unfo- | how so? |
| 08:07.30 | msoul | lvling one myself atm |
| 08:07.30 | DarthAndroid_ | didn't they remove blizzard's slow or something? |
| 08:07.31 | Jerub | mage levelling requires having friends to lean on. |
| 08:07.51 | unfo- | isn't frost the way to go and just freeze shit in place and blink away |
| 08:07.57 | msoul | as a warrior you lvl much faster too :/ "tank specially" |
| 08:08.05 | Jerub | msoul: very fragile, lots of quests that if you agro a bunch of mobs you'll die horribly, so you have to quest in areas a few levels below your actual. |
| 08:08.25 | Jerub | whereas witha warrior, you agro a bunch of stuff and you say 'yippie!' and smash them all. |
| 08:08.52 | msoul | Jerub: that too, but to be honest I'm lvling as frost "kiting" is what I do mostly in areas above my lvl |
| 08:08.53 | unfo- | isn't that "oops" situation the best kind coz you need to learn to avoid dmg, CC and evade? |
| 08:09.20 | unfo- | i mean considering for example an end-game pvp setting |
| 08:09.33 | msoul | frost is your best bet as lvling mage imho |
| 08:09.40 | unfo- | if you can avoid mobs that will one-two shot you you can probably stay healthy in bgs/arenas? |
| 08:09.54 | Fisker | i hate you so much haste |
| 08:09.59 | unfo- | not the same thing of course |
| 08:10.16 | msoul | haste is your best bet as a enchanting for a casting class :( |
| 08:10.19 | unfo- | but learning those instant reactions to dmg incoming situations |
| 08:10.23 | msoul | 50 haste on feet |
| 08:10.41 | msoul | Jerub: you lvling one by the way? |
| 08:11.01 | unfo- | anyone have experience of mage AND warrior pvp?-) |
| 08:11.04 | Jerub | msoul: i levelled one from 60 to 80 and hated it. did it with dungeon finder mostly to avoid questing |
| 08:11.06 | msoul | mine at 50 atm lvling it very slowly |
| 08:11.22 | Computerpunk | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/129110744511110790.jpg <- 90% won't get it, 5% will lol, 5% will vommit uncontrollably |
| 08:11.25 | Jerub | i really like arcane now |
| 08:11.28 | msoul | unfo-: as a warrior you better have a healer with you to do sweet damage "protect flag etc" in pvp |
| 08:11.38 | unfo- | Computerpunk, :D so much fail |
| 08:11.39 | msoul | Jerub: aah |
| 08:11.41 | Jerub | i don't pvp |
| 08:11.53 | Jerub | msoul: it's fun to raid with |
| 08:11.55 | msoul | Jerub: I do that while waiting in queue |
| 08:12.23 | Computerpunk | Waaaaaaaat. |
| 08:12.25 | Computerpunk | unfo-: why? |
| 08:12.25 | Computerpunk | :< |
| 08:12.26 | msoul | Jerub: dunno about higher lvl mage but atm all I do is arcane miss, barrage and forgot the 3rd one |
| 08:12.51 | unfo- | Computerpunk, ermmm.... |
| 08:13.01 | unfo- | Computerpunk, you think that picture was full of win?-D |
| 08:13.14 | msoul | unfo-: in AB once allies had a hard time caping the LM flag :P was playing as prot that day and 3 healers with me |
| 08:13.27 | msoul | 2 healers sorry |
| 08:13.42 | Jerub | msoul: blast |
| 08:13.49 | Computerpunk | unfo-: it re ally is. :3. I'm in the 5% who lol's. |
| 08:14.05 | Jerub | msoul: it's fun to raid with because what you're really doing is managing cooldowns and mana. |
| 08:14.07 | unfo- | Computerpunk, i lol'd too, but the fail is with the people responsible, that's what i meant :) |
| 08:14.10 | msoul | Jerub: yeah is why I specced "fire" for like an hour then frost immediately |
| 08:14.18 | Jerub | it's very sweet to see the boss die on your first 'out of mana' warning |
| 08:14.28 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:14.29 | mikma | computerpunk: barnefilm xD |
| 08:14.42 | unfo- | msoul, nice flag def ^^ |
| 08:14.46 | mikma | computerpunk: 5% lol here |
| 08:14.49 | msoul | Jerub: do that on my lock ;) |
| 08:15.25 | Fisker | haste my archnemesis |
| 08:15.32 | unfo- | Fisker, why |
| 08:15.38 | msoul | Jerub: my latest alt is a lock and having so much fun with it |
| 08:15.47 | unfo- | msoul, which spec |
| 08:15.47 | Fisker | because apparently norway is the best country to live in unfo- :( |
| 08:16.00 | Fisker | so haste is a jerk |
| 08:16.06 | msoul | Jerub: lvling a mage just for a profession to be honest and if it is necessary for the guild "onmce I get into one" |
| 08:16.09 | unfo- | Fisker, *blinks* failed to find connection between haste and norway |
| 08:16.28 | msoul | unfo-: lock? destro/demo used to play demo before patch 4.0.1 |
| 08:16.29 | Fisker | he lives in norway? |
| 08:16.29 | Jerub | msoul: i'm /loving/ my resto shammy now |
| 08:16.35 | Jerub | totally OP for dungeoning |
| 08:16.41 | msoul | Jerub: haha you know |
| 08:16.44 | unfo- | Fisker, ah some person "haste" not the wow stat :D |
| 08:16.57 | mikma | haste: you are a wow stat |
| 08:17.01 | Fisker | highfives haste |
| 08:17.06 | Kalroth | pops a haste potion |
| 08:17.10 | msoul | a friend of mine is a shaman, couldn't get him below half of his hp and his mana didn't go down at all no cc o nothing just plain damage |
| 08:17.16 | mikma | unfo-: gz, you have been fiskered. |
| 08:17.44 | Jerub | msoul: healing wave is now 180 mana for me to cast. i have 7k mana. it's /insane/ |
| 08:17.46 | msoul | Jerub: indeed |
| 08:17.47 | Computerpunk | Fisker should be the new boss in Emerald Dream expansion. |
| 08:17.48 | Jerub | msoul: i can just spam it on everyone in my 5man groups and no one takes any damage. |
| 08:17.53 | Computerpunk | Fisker should also be a meme on the internet. |
| 08:17.56 | Fisker | i wish Computerpunk |
| 08:17.57 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:18.00 | unfo- | Computerpunk, Emerald Nightmare, you mean? |
| 08:18.25 | mikma | computerpunk: lets make him the ultimate troll-meme |
| 08:18.26 | msoul | chars at lvl 80 are warrior/dk/pala/lock all has sweet gear |
| 08:18.26 | unfo- | msoul, what do you play with your lock as post 4.0.1 |
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| 08:18.37 | msoul | low lvl chars mage/hunter/rogue 50+ |
| 08:18.43 | msoul | unfo-: lock |
| 08:18.45 | msoul | err |
| 08:18.45 | Computerpunk | mikma: nah. I've seen better trolls. |
| 08:18.49 | msoul | unfo-: destro |
| 08:19.13 | msoul | unfo-: I can't measure my demo dps in dungeons as bosses dies within secs :/ |
| 08:19.25 | mikma | cog|sleep: ok, the most annoying troll-meme |
| 08:19.52 | msoul | and I rarely raid these days either farm reps/mounts "lord raven specially" and farming mats |
| 08:19.56 | mikma | lol |
| 08:20.48 | msoul | Jerub: what wep do you have on mage btw |
| 08:21.00 | Jerub | msoul: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dath'remar&n=gandridith |
| 08:21.28 | mikma | cog|sleep: mt, eat balls atheist |
| 08:21.28 | unfo- | msoul, ok. ty :) |
| 08:21.31 | msoul | Jerub: why don't you get the pvp weps though? |
| 08:21.38 | unfo- | msoul, i've been totally lost with my lock since 4.0.1 |
| 08:21.41 | msoul | unfo-: np :) |
| 08:21.49 | Jerub | msoul: i probably could. meh. |
| 08:22.09 | msoul | unfo-: destro would get you mad dps |
| 08:22.11 | Jerub | msoul: that guy got #2 on the damage meters on sindy on his first and only time through icc10 |
| 08:22.24 | Jerub | msoul: mages are so op, i can't be bothered. |
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| 08:22.55 | msoul | Jerub: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Nmyu |
| 08:23.05 | Jerub | anyway, i'm going home |
| 08:23.07 | Jerub | see ya |
| 08:23.13 | msoul | Cya |
| 08:24.03 | msoul | can't wait until I max engineering :/ |
| 08:24.18 | msoul | engi would be the best pro for casters in cata |
| 08:24.23 | msoul | profession |
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| 08:24.28 | unfo- | msoul, cool. :) |
| 08:24.39 | unfo- | what will engi get in cata? |
| 08:24.46 | msoul | int on gloves |
| 08:25.02 | unfo- | nice |
| 08:25.29 | msoul | http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=82175 |
| 08:26.05 | unfo- | 480 int o____________O |
| 08:26.16 | unfo- | finally something for my healadin! :) |
| 08:26.58 | msoul | hehe |
| 08:27.11 | Maldivia | the tailoring embroideries are 580 sp or 1000 ap |
| 08:28.31 | msoul | on "legs" |
| 08:28.43 | msoul | the engi one is for gloves |
| 08:28.47 | Maldivia | no, that's the cloak procs |
| 08:29.09 | mikma | need tol find a list of the engi-stuff |
| 08:29.25 | Maldivia | but still, 480 for 12sec every minute, that's 96 on average |
| 08:29.45 | msoul | that's not good enough for you? |
| 08:29.56 | Maldivia | yeah, that's about double the normal |
| 08:30.06 | msoul | unfo-: http://cata.wowhead.com/skill=202 |
| 08:30.41 | Maldivia | glove enchants are 65 mastery or 50 haste for casters |
| 08:31.13 | unfo- | blinks @ http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=82200 |
| 08:31.15 | msoul | just 1 thing though, no nitro boosts anymore :/ |
| 08:31.34 | msoul | as 50 haste or mastery can't remember would be superior on feet |
| 08:33.40 | Maldivia | well, you can get both to boots |
| 08:34.10 | Maldivia | more movement speed + stam/agi/mastery |
| 08:34.14 | Maldivia | or* |
| 08:34.46 | msoul | you mean lavasomething enchant on feet? |
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| 08:35.21 | msoul | minor speed and haste/mastery can't remember |
| 08:35.34 | Maldivia | earthen vitality (speed+stam), lavawalker (speed+mastery), assassins step (speed+agi) |
| 08:36.04 | msoul | y, but you can't have lava and nitro at the same time |
| 08:36.20 | Maldivia | I know |
| 08:36.23 | msoul | saying there won't be nitro boosts anymore |
| 08:36.27 | msoul | or there will |
| 08:36.37 | msoul | but can't beat lava/ or plain haste on feet |
| 08:37.04 | Maldivia | I thought nitro boost was a belt enchant? |
| 08:37.12 | msoul | no |
| 08:37.30 | Maldivia | "Permanently attaches overpowered nitro boosts to your belt, allowing you to greatly increase run speed for 5 sec." |
| 08:37.37 | msoul | Permanently attaches overpowered nitro boosts to your belt, allowing you to greatly increase run speed for 5 sec. |
| 08:38.07 | msoul | I'm enchanting it on my feet for the lock |
| 08:38.16 | msoul | have fragbelt on my belt |
| 08:38.34 | msoul | ah the cata one you're posting and I did too |
| 08:38.38 | msoul | smack self |
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| 08:39.18 | msoul | the cata belt enchants are either shield or nature damage |
| 08:39.40 | msoul | 16900 abosrbs damage or 12xx damage on distance |
| 08:39.44 | msoul | from distance |
| 08:39.44 | Maldivia | nitro is changed to a belt enchant come 4.0.3 :) |
| 08:40.05 | msoul | I see, thanks for that one |
| 08:40.39 | airtonix | ridiculous |
| 08:40.45 | msoul | indeed |
| 08:40.49 | airtonix | ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! |
| 08:41.10 | airtonix | time to play tetris |
| 08:41.11 | msoul | nitro could be handy in many situations |
| 08:41.34 | msoul | I love it when I pvp :D |
| 08:54.30 | mitch0 | did someone fix fubar already? |
| 08:56.17 | unfo- | that in itself is quite a funny sentence if you consider the meaning of fubar :P |
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| 10:05.48 | Wobin | argh |
| 10:05.56 | Wobin | what is it with Steam servers being too busy? |
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| 10:37.39 | Kalroth | I've had a lot of issues with Steam lately and I know others have too |
| 10:37.50 | Kalroth | no connection, slow download, etc. |
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| 10:43.35 | Napoleone | any texture broser? |
| 10:43.38 | Napoleone | browser |
| 10:44.44 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=256545 << banhammer time? |
| 10:45.13 | jnwhiteh | just ask =) |
| 10:45.43 | foxlit | "This forum requires that you wait 60 seconds between reporting posts. Please try again in 57 seconds." |
| 10:45.45 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: done and done |
| 10:46.02 | jnwhiteh | well otherwise you can spam us with spam reports =) |
| 10:46.08 | foxlit | Those are probably bots :) |
| 10:46.43 | foxlit | (four letters in alphabetical order)+(three numbers) seems to be a common pattern. |
| 10:47.27 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 11:04.55 | jnwhiteh | Total number of comments: 106846, Total number of quests: 8599, Comments per bucket: 21369 |
| 11:05.00 | jnwhiteh | So many freaking comments. |
| 11:05.57 | nev-mobile | Do you cut out comments with negative rating? |
| 11:06.23 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 11:17.29 | haste | http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/x7REfbn8KXDEFbiRDT2C/ |
| 11:17.40 | haste | have a snapshot from my unfiltered highlight log |
| 11:19.27 | Kalroth | hot |
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| 11:44.32 | foxlit | haste: consider renaming to crit? |
| 11:44.41 | foxlit | Nobody ever asks about crit rating. |
| 11:45.36 | Kalroth | it is critical that my haste rating is perfect |
| 11:45.36 | haste | I could just switch to troeks or otravi |
| 11:45.50 | Kalroth | then i crit him for OVER 9000 |
| 11:46.17 | haste | but I have a filter that prevents stuff like Kalroth line from being highlighted in the channel |
| 11:46.25 | Kalroth | oh |
| 11:46.45 | haste | it ends up in my highlight log howvever |
| 11:46.49 | Kalroth | make haste, gentlemen, the world is waiting for us! |
| 11:47.27 | Kalroth | Fisker is so chaste |
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| 12:08.10 | foxlit | "( please trolls its just MY OPINION) " " all of this are FACTS proved in the game." |
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| 12:11.40 | Fisker | haste |
| 12:11.40 | Computerpunk | Mikk, nevcairiel, Kaelten, http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/getting-started/ <- Shouldn't we give example for Cataclysm .toc? :3 |
| 12:11.42 | Fisker | i hate you haste |
| 12:11.44 | Computerpunk | rating |
| 12:11.47 | Computerpunk | you hate haste rating? |
| 12:11.50 | Computerpunk | Are you playing Rogue? |
| 12:12.46 | nev-mobile | I dont plan on updating all guides everytime the interface version changes |
| 12:12.56 | Kalroth | pls |
| 12:13.09 | nev-mobile | Its not like anything important changed |
| 12:13.24 | Kalroth | what about the version |
| 12:15.31 | Stanzilla | make it a wiki macro so you can use {{TOC}} or so :p |
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| 12:24.57 | Mikk | Computerpunk: fixed |
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| 12:25.55 | Computerpunk | ty mikk. |
| 12:26.17 | Mikk | why are people fixing fubar >.< |
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| 12:28.43 | Computerpunk | no idea |
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| 12:29.00 | Computerpunk | ldb > fubar |
| 12:29.00 | Computerpunk | :3 |
| 12:29.02 | Stanzilla | repo lock go |
| 12:29.07 | Computerpunk | ^ |
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| 12:42.41 | airtonix | Mikk, same reason people still use windows and buy apple products.... group delusion. |
| 12:43.25 | airtonix | oh and because wow.com said so. |
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| 12:56.15 | Kraps | airtonix: haters gonna hate! |
| 12:56.41 | airtonix | don't binge on my delusion |
| 12:57.32 | foxlit | Heh, got the changeling achievement. |
| 12:58.04 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/10/let-him-dream-for-awhile/ |
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| 13:00.13 | airtonix | no |
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| 13:06.25 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/im_being_serious_marty_where_w.php |
| 13:15.48 | Kraps | http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/10/blizzcon-2010-cosplay/ |
| 13:20.30 | Computerpunk | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/im_still_skeptical_time_travel.php |
| 13:20.32 | Computerpunk | I'm confused. |
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| 13:38.34 | airtonix | lewl, line 23, col 53,201 |
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| 13:47.45 | Computerpunk | In the 4.1 patch (the one AFTER Cataclysm), Blizzard plans to roll out an upgraded dungeon map system. Each dungeon map will include detailed information about each bosstheir name, a 3D image, lore/flavor text, loot, and abilities. |
| 13:47.48 | Computerpunk | Bye-bye atlas. |
| 14:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | Helloooooo, Peppy not getting lost in instances anymore? |
| 14:02.24 | airtonix | am i remembering correctly that css3 brought in the ability to create selectors to target the parent of something ? |
| 14:03.24 | airtonix | boo |
| 14:03.47 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: you're female, you'll still get lost |
| 14:03.50 | Ackis | goes and hides. |
| 14:04.01 | Computerpunk | Seconded. |
| 14:04.04 | Computerpunk | both parts. |
| 14:04.06 | airtonix | Jeans |
| 14:04.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I will seriously put arsenic in my next batch of cookies for you. Share them with Computerpunk, okay? |
| 14:04.17 | Computerpunk | :3. |
| 14:04.33 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:04.35 | airtonix | managed to avoid that by being too esoteric |
| 14:04.36 | Computerpunk | I'll eat alot of them. |
| 14:05.02 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, my recipe makes about 80 cookies, there are plenty for everyone. I promise. |
| 14:06.02 | airtonix | Can you cook without pants ? |
| 14:06.08 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Bah. That's no fun. Put something in their cookies that makes their bodies emit massive EMPs. |
| 14:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, I very very often do. *innocent* |
| 14:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, want to come over to the lab and help me out? |
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| 14:07.26 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Can't - I'm chained to my desk working on this project, and my GF probably wouldn't like me hanging out with women who cook pantsless. |
| 14:07.56 | alestane | That was an interesting moment to walk in. |
| 14:09.48 | Ackis | only if you're pantless too |
| 14:10.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ah well, send me your recipe for EMP cookies, Torhal? I love to experiment. |
| 14:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | winks at alestane. |
| 14:10.20 | alestane | Electromagnetic cookies? |
| 14:10.27 | alestane | winks back. |
| 14:10.28 | Corrodias2 | if you changed one letter in your name, you could be alestank |
| 14:10.30 | Lopeppeppy | Something like that, alestane. |
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| 14:10.49 | alestane | Not such a good idea for a warlock, Corrodias2. |
| 14:11.03 | Ackis | Corrodias2: if you changed one number in your name, you could be Corrodias3 |
| 14:11.33 | Corrodias3 | it's at times like this that the possibilities seem endless |
| 14:12.11 | Computerpunk | Ackis, packager downtime notice. |
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| 14:21.04 | Fisker | Computerpunk |
| 14:21.07 | Fisker | atlas sucks |
| 14:21.08 | Fisker | and Lopeppeppy |
| 14:21.21 | Fisker | if the loot from bosses wil help you not get lost then i'm like k? |
| 14:21.38 | Ackis | Fisker: why does your name on quakenet suck so much? |
| 14:21.46 | Fisker | it doesn't |
| 14:21.48 | Fisker | it sucks here |
| 14:22.25 | alestane | I refer you to the Bacon Flowchart, Torhal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fncll/2129889439/ |
| 14:22.28 | Ackis | `-FISKER_Q\ > Fisker ? |
| 14:22.31 | alestane | Cookies don't have that problem. |
| 14:22.35 | Fisker | yes Ackis |
| 14:22.38 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Oh, I have no such recipe. I figured you would... |
| 14:22.39 | Fisker | one is my nick, the other is not |
| 14:22.57 | Ackis | ok imma just calling you by your real name then |
| 14:23.08 | Fisker | OK JOHN |
| 14:23.18 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you will never know the truth of that statement. *grin* |
| 14:23.18 | Ackis | Ok Thomas! |
| 14:23.25 | Lopeppeppy | OK MICHAEL! |
| 14:23.34 | Fisker | who is michael? |
| 14:23.52 | Torhal | alestane: Hah |
| 14:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | Who's Johnny? |
| 14:24.19 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I can see it now. You give Ackis a cookie. Ackis eats the cookie. Ackis's Xbox-360 bursts into flames. |
| 14:24.22 | Ackis | <-- |
| 14:24.30 | Ackis | :( |
| 14:24.37 | Ackis | what did my xobx ever do to you? |
| 14:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, emp cookies! |
| 14:24.43 | Fisker | xobx? |
| 14:25.17 | Torhal | Ackis: It made you complacent. Sedentary. |
| 14:25.48 | Ackis | I was sedentary before that |
| 14:26.07 | Torhal | Ackis: You're supposed to run with the pack, run "luac -p", and make commit notes that mention "drycoded". |
| 14:26.19 | Ackis | meh |
| 14:26.23 | Torhal | :D |
| 14:26.33 | Ackis | Torhal: since you aren't working on CRT, can you convert something to Ace3 for me? |
| 14:27.06 | Torhal | I am working on CRT. Pondering the best ways to rip the fucking slider widget out of AceGUI and mold it to my own nefarious uses. |
| 14:27.17 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:27.49 | Torhal | I'd write my own (and I already have code I can use from Volumizer) but those damn value editboxes are just so darned cute. |
| 14:28.16 | Fisker | i almost got a heartattack |
| 14:28.22 | Fisker | i thought you were talking about a CRT monitor |
| 14:28.31 | Torhal | Curse Raid Tracker. |
| 14:29.06 | TC-Work | Can't Remember Things |
| 14:29.24 | Torhal | Cold Rum Tank |
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| 14:30.14 | Fisker | CATHODE RAY TUBE |
| 14:30.16 | Torhal | Cringe Reading Thottbott |
| 14:30.39 | TC-Work | Common Routine Trolls |
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| 14:33.56 | foxlit | C runtime. |
| 14:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Common Random Theme |
| 14:35.59 | Fisker | cock receptible tube |
| 14:36.01 | TC-Work | ~seen end |
| 14:36.06 | purl | end <n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 349d 13h 41m 6s ago, saying: 'weird'. |
| 14:36.13 | Fisker | purl saw the end TC-Work |
| 14:36.33 | TC-Work | huh, i wonder what happened to him |
| 14:38.13 | TC-Work | i only ask because i yet again came across ScytheBlade1's damn forum sig |
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| 14:42.39 | alestane | "pleading with you all...Stay home, lock your doors, and BEWARE THE VISCOUS GIRAFFE!" |
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| 14:42.44 | alestane | ...I have odd friends. |
| 14:43.45 | alestane | Then of course there's AlexanderYoshi: "I just sentenced someone to die, set 100 bats on fire and discovered an achievement for killing gnomes. Things are looking up... Well, not for the gnomes. " |
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| 14:44.22 | alestane | "Nah... I won't be going to HELL! They already have a restraining order :p" |
| 14:44.35 | Ackis | alestane: he's playing Fable 3 it sounds like :P |
| 14:44.46 | alestane | That's what he said, yes. |
| 14:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | Wild giraffe! Down the tree! |
| 14:45.02 | Ackis | alestane: was that on twitter? |
| 14:45.09 | Lopeppeppy | Facebook, IIRC |
| 14:45.12 | Ackis | ah |
| 14:45.14 | alestane | hugs Lopeppeppy until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue. |
| 14:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | is already a nice shade of green. |
| 14:46.19 | alestane | Feeling less than well today? |
| 14:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 14:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | I made myself carsick on the drive to work today. Stellar achievement. |
| 14:49.52 | Ackis | how many gamerscore was it worth? |
| 14:49.59 | alestane | Yargh. |
| 14:51.07 | alestane | That's a trick when you're driving. |
| 14:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | About a cupful, Ackis. |
| 14:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | I know, alestane, I'm just *that* frellin' talented. |
| 14:51.49 | alestane | Were the slalom potholes patrolling today or something? |
| 14:52.03 | alestane | hugs Lopeppeppy much more gently. |
| 14:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | Just that stupid overtired, alestane. |
| 14:53.07 | alestane | Ugh. |
| 14:53.16 | alestane | sedates Lopeppeppy with a mallet. |
| 14:53.49 | zenzelezz | of Zul'Farrak |
| 14:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe that might work, since the Ambien isn't! *laugh* |
| 14:54.47 | Fisker | so why are people not making up abbreviations for CRT anymore? |
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| 14:56.59 | alestane | I'm sure I can think of a way or two to help you sleep soundly, hon. |
| 14:58.14 | Computerpunk | Ackis, fix packager nao. :, |
| 14:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously wish, alestane. Not even the drugs are doin' it. |
| 14:59.46 | Ackis | it was fixed about 10-15 mins ago |
| 15:07.00 | cogwheel | hugs everyone except Fisker and Ackis |
| 15:07.15 | Ackis | why not me? :( |
| 15:07.18 | Ackis | I can understand Fisker |
| 15:07.55 | cogwheel | global warming something something troll something |
| 15:08.09 | sylvanaar_work | oh i can relink that |
| 15:08.17 | cogwheel | left 1/3 of his caffeine at home TT |
| 15:08.31 | zenzelezz | the universe is a cold, dark place... who are we to complain about having some heat? |
| 15:08.42 | sylvanaar_work | hey we could be venus |
| 15:08.43 | Jamash | sets zenzeleszz on fire. |
| 15:08.52 | Jamash | also sets zenzelezz on fire. |
| 15:08.58 | zenzelezz | basks in his newfound aura of fire |
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| 15:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | Revolving at 100 miles an hour? |
| 15:09.09 | cogwheel | Build a man a fire, you've warmed him for a night. Set a man on fire, you've warmed him for the rest of his life. |
| 15:09.16 | Jamash | ^ |
| 15:09.34 | Jamash | the sun is a mass, of incandescent gas |
| 15:09.43 | Jamash | actually wait they changed that |
| 15:09.44 | cogwheel | a gigantic nuclear furnace |
| 15:09.53 | Jamash | the sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma |
| 15:10.12 | zenzelezz | I prefer "the sun is our nearest star" |
| 15:10.20 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: l2tmbg |
| 15:10.29 | zenzelezz | what now? |
| 15:10.34 | Ackis | I'm sad |
| 15:10.38 | Ackis | I didn't get a cogwheel hug :( |
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| 15:10.57 | Jamash | they patched cogwheel hugs out in 4.0.1a |
| 15:11.00 | Jamash | sorry |
| 15:11.04 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbgul1NpEA8 <-- zenzelezz |
| 15:11.37 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: lies, that is not me |
| 15:11.49 | cogwheel | no that is where you l2tmbg :P |
| 15:12.29 | zenzelezz | surprisingly, while I'm all for rhymes, in this case I prefer confusing people |
| 15:13.06 | cogwheel | Ackis while Fisker had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher. |
| 15:13.58 | Ackis | I got an e-mail about a blizzcon post-sale on the intertubes... I wonder what they'll have |
| 15:14.22 | durcyn | they're unloading leftover blizzcon merch |
| 15:14.54 | Ackis | yeah but I wonder which stuff they'll have |
| 15:15.02 | cogwheel | everything that didn't sell out |
| 15:15.10 | Jamash | if they have day[9] let me know |
| 15:15.12 | cogwheel | meaning all the crap people didn't want... |
| 15:15.22 | cogwheel | (or didn't want to pay that much for) |
| 15:16.24 | Computerpunk | packaaageeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer. |
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| 15:19.14 | Lopeppeppy | Do want! |
| 15:19.17 | cogwheel | up to 125 thanks to blizzcon (different selection in SoCal, plus bought a few things from thinkgeek for the trip) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5142810&l=8f68b91520&id=563064469 |
| 15:19.37 | Lopeppeppy | You're scary, cogwheel |
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| 15:20.02 | zenzelezz | not anymore peppy, they hotfixed him |
| 15:20.19 | Ackis | I think I'm ordering a blizzcon t-shirt |
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| 15:20.27 | Ackis | and the two plushies |
| 15:20.40 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: at least it has been almost 2 years and not like 3 weeks >< |
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| 15:25.08 | alestane | "You don't need a fancy two-story apothecarium to make plague...you need love. |
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| 15:25.17 | alestane | "And maybe a couple really good assistants. |
| 15:25.47 | Humbedooh | and pie |
| 15:25.52 | Humbedooh | lots of pie |
| 15:26.38 | Jamash | and two hard-boiled eggs |
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| 15:30.07 | zenzelezz | aw... "fainting goat" kittens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CC_9aFuEkA |
| 15:31.09 | Computerpunk | packager :O! |
| 15:31.49 | nevcairiel | we told you, its working again |
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| 15:32.55 | Computerpunk | when? ;o |
| 15:33.03 | Computerpunk | It started working 10 mins ago. |
| 15:33.04 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 15:33.19 | Computerpunk | the :o was for it working |
| 15:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, did you get the Blizcon stream? |
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| 15:38.18 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: yeah |
| 15:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | I figured. They didn't send the merch email to everyone, just you lucky blizcon peeps. :P |
| 15:39.26 | alestane | plans to pack Lopeppeppy in his suitcase next time. |
| 15:39.52 | airtonix | the one with 100 feet |
| 15:40.02 | nevcairiel | Ackis: do you know when we'll get the pet? |
| 15:40.20 | Ackis | forums said 6-8 weeks after |
| 15:40.31 | Lopeppeppy | Cut me some air holes. |
| 15:40.52 | nevcairiel | 6-8 weeks? o.O |
| 15:41.07 | alestane | You know, for processing. |
| 15:41.11 | airtonix | http://www.paulkidby.com/images/miniatures/luggage001-1a.jpg |
| 15:41.40 | DarthAndroid_ | are the cata beta servers up? |
| 15:42.35 | Ackis | "Got arrested for opening the cop's zipper. Apparently I misunderstood the meaning of "Please blow Ma'am"!" |
| 15:42.37 | Ackis | lulz |
| 15:42.48 | batrick | lol |
| 15:43.19 | airtonix | http://www.valhallaarms.com/wyvern/props/images/luggage3_small.jpg |
| 15:45.34 | Jamash | artonix: do want |
| 15:48.58 | Jamash | DarthAndroid_: yes |
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| 15:50.37 | industrial | Somehow I can't get my WatchFrame moved away from the MinimapCluster. |
| 15:50.55 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: is the repair utility working? |
| 15:51.09 | industrial | How should I get it loose |
| 15:51.29 | Jamash | DarthAndroid_: no idea |
| 15:51.31 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/b2b26c1f2292698630b7 |
| 15:51.36 | industrial | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 15:51.56 | jnwhiteh | industrial: ? |
| 15:52.26 | industrial | an idea why WatchFrame is stuck to MinimapCluster? it's parent is UIParent too so :\ |
| 15:52.32 | industrial | cant move it with setpoint |
| 15:52.48 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 15:53.00 | jnwhiteh | MC isn't defined that.. |
| 15:53.19 | industrial | 'CENTER' |
| 15:53.47 | jnwhiteh | its probably being re-anchored |
| 15:53.50 | jnwhiteh | after you move it |
| 15:53.56 | jnwhiteh | try overwriting clearallpoints/setpoint |
| 15:53.58 | jnwhiteh | dunnoi |
| 15:54.00 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/7c2a61da6748c458ea47 |
| 15:54.03 | industrial | k |
| 15:54.16 | DarthAndroid_ | industrial: wf:SetClampRectInset(0,0,0,0) ; wf:SetUserPlaced(false) were necessary for me to do anything to the chat frames (or at least, put them where I wanted them) |
| 15:54.34 | Jamash | you know /reload is part of the base ui, right? |
| 15:54.43 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:55.03 | industrial | jnwhiteh: yea, now :P |
| 15:55.06 | DarthAndroid_ | is /reload? I thought it was only /console reload |
| 15:55.14 | jnwhiteh | no /reload has been in for a while. |
| 15:55.14 | nevcairiel | they added the alias some time ago |
| 15:55.22 | DarthAndroid_ | oh nice |
| 15:55.27 | Jamash | it came in when they imported most of DevTools |
| 15:55.40 | DarthAndroid_ | wtb default alias for /rl though |
| 15:55.46 | Jamash | eh |
| 15:56.10 | nevcairiel | yeah i use /rl as well, but i always have an addon that supplys it :p |
| 15:56.51 | DarthAndroid_ | i'm working slowly to strip out all ace-based addons from my usage >.> |
| 15:56.58 | Jamash | aww |
| 15:57.03 | nevcairiel | your loss =) |
| 15:57.07 | DarthAndroid_ | yeah, I know |
| 15:57.07 | Jamash | I use ace ;_; |
| 15:57.14 | DarthAndroid_ | it's not anything against ace |
| 15:57.22 | Jamash | or is it??? |
| 15:57.31 | foxlit | No, Jamash, it's personal |
| 15:57.42 | Jamash | ace killed your brother? |
| 15:57.51 | foxlit | Because *you* use Ace, he doesn't want any Ace addons :) |
| 15:58.00 | Jamash | ah |
| 15:58.23 | Jamash | I haven't updated my embedded copy of ace since, uh, ever |
| 15:58.27 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: Hopefully you don't use TomTom or Clique then =) |
| 15:58.29 | DarthAndroid_ | it's more I'm slowly stripping out all addons from my usage other than my own, and I've elected to not use the ace libraries |
| 15:58.45 | jnwhiteh | or truly, anything using Dongle either |
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| 15:58.53 | jnwhiteh | given that Dongle is Ace-lite |
| 15:58.54 | DarthAndroid_ | jnwhiteh: don't use tomtom, and I currently use clique, but it'll get rewritten eventually |
| 15:58.55 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:59.03 | Jamash | I only use ace because I can't be bothered to write my own config panel ui |
| 15:59.04 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: enjoy wasting your time1 |
| 15:59.05 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 15:59.17 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: that's the thing I DONT use it for, except in TomTom =) |
| 15:59.24 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: I bite my tumb at in-game configs. |
| 15:59.31 | nevcairiel | rewritten Clique will be rather impossible, unless you name it Clique as well |
| 15:59.31 | DarthAndroid_ | *thumb |
| 15:59.36 | jnwhiteh | that must hurt your tumb. |
| 15:59.39 | Jamash | bites his thumb at DarthAndroid_ |
| 15:59.46 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: indeed. |
| 16:00.30 | industrial | :) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4c97efa0911a5358562c23fb9733ba87.jpg |
| 16:00.32 | DarthAndroid_ | nevcairiel: I've already written out my unitframes, so I can just add whatever templates I need to? or has blizz given Clique some sort of special care? |
| 16:00.33 | Jamash | the nice thing about AceConfig is that it handles my slash command *and* config panel from the same set of data structures |
| 16:00.50 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: you can add whatever attribute you want, but it won't be Clique. |
| 16:01.01 | airtonix | LOL |
| 16:01.05 | jnwhiteh | its a pointless exercise, but if you enjoy it, then go nuts =) |
| 16:01.06 | airtonix | i lol in your direction |
| 16:01.17 | nevcairiel | DarthAndroid_: you must have fun on patches like 4.0, when half your own shit is broken, and only you will fix it :p |
| 16:01.23 | DarthAndroid_ | jnwhiteh: not quite sure what you mean by that, but alright. |
| 16:01.26 | airtonix | MOAR! |
| 16:01.39 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: I mean I think its stupid to not use addons that exist, and write them yourself instead. |
| 16:01.45 | jnwhiteh | But if you enjoy it, more power to you. |
| 16:01.47 | DarthAndroid_ | nevcairiel: actually, only about ~20 lines broke when 4.0.1 hit |
| 16:01.53 | airtonix | big up fist! |
| 16:02.02 | Jamash | it's a common temptation for programmers to think that their own code is magically superior to everyone else's |
| 16:02.06 | Jamash | but it's not true |
| 16:02.10 | airtonix | IT IS |
| 16:02.13 | jnwhiteh | yeah, its just not =) |
| 16:02.17 | airtonix | mine is awesomesauce |
| 16:02.20 | industrial | Can I move all these panels up? I want them right under Ninjapanel. Is there a list of their names? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8e0b022e00bfa0a27d6c213a5b169f1a.jpg |
| 16:02.22 | jnwhiteh | but if its something that someone likes to do |
| 16:02.24 | jnwhiteh | works for em. |
| 16:02.25 | Ackis | Jamash: what if you don't think it's superior, you know it is? |
| 16:02.37 | durcyn | doesn't mean he can't be mocked for it, though. |
| 16:02.45 | airtonix | why not |
| 16:02.49 | jnwhiteh | industrial: there's in a table tho, UIPanel |
| 16:02.51 | DarthAndroid_ | clearly Jamash, all of my code is the most amazing characters to grace this planet, and nobody in this room can measure up to how big my dick is. |
| 16:02.52 | jnwhiteh | or something |
| 16:02.59 | airtonix | i mean why |
| 16:03.04 | DarthAndroid_ | :P |
| 16:03.08 | jnwhiteh | yeah i dont' know why people are giving DarthAndroid_ shit |
| 16:03.10 | Jamash | Ackis: but how do you know t is? |
| 16:03.15 | jnwhiteh | other than the fact that he said he wanted to get rid of 'Ace' addons |
| 16:03.20 | jnwhiteh | which doesn't mesh with what he's saying, and is purely idiotic |
| 16:03.22 | airtonix | yeah jnwhiteh stop giving people shit |
| 16:03.27 | jnwhiteh | airtonix: I am? |
| 16:03.42 | jnwhiteh | that was the ony mistake I see. |
| 16:03.44 | Humbedooh | give us pie instead |
| 16:03.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:03.49 | jnwhiteh | I'm at the lab |
| 16:03.51 | nevcairiel | i'm all pro pie |
| 16:03.54 | jnwhiteh | no oven anywhere near me =/ |
| 16:03.58 | Jamash | jnwhiteh: it's the statement "it's more I'm slowly stripping out all addons from my usage other than my own" |
| 16:03.58 | Humbedooh | :( |
| 16:04.00 | airtonix | shit it is then |
| 16:04.01 | DarthAndroid_ | it's not that I want to get rid of them, it's just that I'm having fun implementing all the different things myself and figuring out how they work, and that involves not using ace as a side effect :P |
| 16:04.04 | nevcairiel | wrong type of lab, clearly |
| 16:04.15 | Humbedooh | yes! |
| 16:04.17 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: I I'm not having an issue with that, in the least. |
| 16:04.18 | Humbedooh | wru pie lab |
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| 16:04.20 | jnwhiteh | that's a fine exercise |
| 16:04.22 | durcyn | bit of a false dichotomy, DarthAndroid_ |
| 16:04.24 | Jamash | I considered rewriting all the aspects of the blizzard UI I don't like at one point |
| 16:04.26 | airtonix | jnwhiteh, lern2mixchemicals |
| 16:04.29 | Lulia | Hey guys |
| 16:04.32 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: Then you dont' understand what 'Ace' is. |
| 16:04.35 | jnwhiteh | and that's fine =) |
| 16:04.37 | Jamash | but then I realized I could be playing the game instead |
| 16:04.42 | jnwhiteh | To not use LibStub, or AceDB is just silly |
| 16:04.49 | jnwhiteh | they're straightforward and 100% readable. |
| 16:04.55 | Jamash | what's acedb do? |
| 16:04.55 | jnwhiteh | AceAddon, fuck it, who needs that shit |
| 16:04.58 | DarthAndroid_ | I actually use LibStub |
| 16:05.00 | jnwhiteh | AceConfig.. whatevs, suck it bitches. |
| 16:05.01 | DarthAndroid_ | and LDB |
| 16:05.08 | jnwhiteh | but to make a blanket statement like yu're stripping ace |
| 16:05.13 | jnwhiteh | that's just you not understanding =) |
| 16:05.19 | DarthAndroid_ | I probably don't |
| 16:05.23 | Cide | strip the addon, not the library? |
| 16:05.28 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 16:05.29 | DarthAndroid_ | then again, that's why I'm doing this whole project :P |
| 16:05.37 | nevcairiel | All those libs are just about lazyness, really. Designing a config UI manually ist just hard work |
| 16:05.38 | airtonix | GAIZ im cuncernd bout my healbot and my FPS |
| 16:05.40 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: makes your life awesomesauce. |
| 16:05.52 | *** kick/#wowuidev [airtonix!~jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (usecliqueyoufuckingnub) |
| 16:06.08 | Jamash | clique frightens me |
| 16:06.16 | Jamash | I'm not even kidding |
| 16:06.26 | jnwhiteh | do you have nightmares about it? |
| 16:06.30 | jnwhiteh | cause I do. |
| 16:06.31 | durcyn | don't forget to merge everything into a single file and run it through luasrcdiet at the end, DarthAndroid_ |
| 16:06.35 | Jamash | I have it installed but I'm afraid to use it |
| 16:06.59 | syrae | I have determined that I am a terrible healer because I get distracted too damn easily |
| 16:07.04 | DarthAndroid_ | jnwhiteh: was there a reason that AceOO was never carried from 2.0 to 3.0 (or was it and I totally missed it)? Is OOP on top of lua horribly inefficient? |
| 16:07.05 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: lulx? |
| 16:07.05 | Jamash | well my concern is that I'll map all my healing spells to modifiers, and then in the middle of a raid forget what they are |
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| 16:07.21 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: because it never should have been written |
| 16:07.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:07.22 | syrae | I have had so many tanks die because I'm paying attention to things that are not health bars |
| 16:07.25 | jnwhiteh | but don't get me into Ace2 |
| 16:07.30 | jnwhiteh | OO on top of Lua is easy |
| 16:07.34 | jnwhiteh | this is why AceOO never needed to exist. |
| 16:07.41 | nevcairiel | AceOO also was really evil |
| 16:07.41 | Jamash | and cast renew instead of Pain Suppression and someone dies |
| 16:07.46 | jnwhiteh | but that's neither here nor there |
| 16:07.53 | Arrowmaster | when you need OO its better to make your own system tailored to your needs |
| 16:08.01 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I actually left Ace because of AceOO. |
| 16:08.05 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: ther'es a tooltip |
| 16:08.07 | jnwhiteh | in the older version |
| 16:08.14 | nevcairiel | It was the base of f'ing everything |
| 16:08.16 | jnwhiteh | and i'll make an ldb feed in the new one soon enough |
| 16:08.16 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 16:08.22 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: that is _PRECISELY_ why I left. |
| 16:08.24 | Arrowmaster | AceOO-2.0 still has bugs that cant be found |
| 16:08.29 | Jamash | I should put an LDB thingy in my addon |
| 16:08.32 | DarthAndroid_ | lol |
| 16:08.34 | jnwhiteh | ckk and I were fighting about that |
| 16:08.35 | Jamash | but not till next version |
| 16:08.37 | jnwhiteh | well that's one of the times I left. |
| 16:08.44 | Jamash | I need to put out a pure bugfix release first |
| 16:08.52 | jnwhiteh | ah history lulz. |
| 16:09.01 | Cide | ct_library, discuss |
| 16:09.04 | nevcairiel | wonder if the dramalama pastey channel still exists |
| 16:09.10 | Jamash | ct_whocaresaboutct |
| 16:09.16 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: mine does =) |
| 16:09.19 | Cide | I do. |
| 16:09.25 | airtonix | lolct |
| 16:09.30 | Lopeppeppy | drama llamas never die, nevcairiel. |
| 16:09.30 | jnwhiteh | goes back 201 weeks ago |
| 16:09.34 | jnwhiteh | with new stuff 174 weeks ago |
| 16:09.44 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:09.48 | jnwhiteh | wtf |
| 16:09.49 | Cide | that's a lot of weeks |
| 16:09.51 | alestane | Needs moar hay! |
| 16:09.52 | airtonix | ahh it was but two hundred and one weeks ago |
| 16:09.53 | jnwhiteh | i posted CODE on the drama pastey |
| 16:09.54 | nevcairiel | man, 4 years |
| 16:09.54 | syrae | CT? let's just ignore the fact that I was using CT until 4.0 |
| 16:10.15 | airtonix | thats nearly yesterday |
| 16:10.15 | Cide | why should we ignore that? |
| 16:10.15 | nevcairiel | its been a while |
| 16:10.15 | Cide | @ syrae |
| 16:10.15 | DarthAndroid_ | Quick question: Who here would refuse to use an addon based on the fact that config was uncommenting key-value pairs in a config.lua and changing the values? |
| 16:10.15 | jnwhiteh | http://cladlikesdrama.pastey.net/3870 |
| 16:10.27 | airtonix | wut |
| 16:10.34 | jnwhiteh | DarthAndroid_: it shoudl back it on SVs and use the config file as a default, but I'd use it. |
| 16:10.35 | batrick | i still use ct |
| 16:10.37 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.46 | Cide | I still use ct |
| 16:10.47 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.52 | syrae | >_< |
| 16:10.52 | airtonix | "where's our main tank?" |
| 16:10.57 | jnwhiteh | cladhaire: I am absolutely shocked and appalled, but not suprised that you actually think that integrating something like that into the Ace core is a good idea. I just don't think I'll ever understand |
| 16:10.59 | airtonix | "still configuring ct" |
| 16:11.00 | batrick | i'm old school like that |
| 16:11.04 | jnwhiteh | ^^ re: AceOO |
| 16:11.06 | nevcairiel | DarthAndroid_: i actually use one addon like that right now, TinyTip :D |
| 16:11.08 | jnwhiteh | ah, GTs GTs. |
| 16:11.15 | nevcairiel | but it shouldn't be a way complicated addon |
| 16:11.31 | Cide | airtonix: ctmod has a really easy config panel |
| 16:11.33 | Cide | not sure what you mean |
| 16:11.37 | batrick | i had to stop using CT_BarMod though :( |
| 16:11.38 | DarthAndroid_ | nevcairiel: ehm.... :3 |
| 16:11.41 | jnwhiteh | ooh vhaarr calls me an idiot later on |
| 16:11.52 | syrae | batrick: that's why I was using CT. I replaced it with ButtonForge |
| 16:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, did he hurt ums feelings? |
| 16:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort jnwhiteh |
| 16:12.00 | purl | There, there, jnwhiteh. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 16:12.47 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 16:12.49 | jnwhiteh | hometime. |
| 16:13.14 | Lopeppeppy | Travel safe. |
| 16:14.00 | batrick | Cide: how do you cope with shadowform changing your actionbar in CT_BarMod |
| 16:14.05 | Jamash | DarthAndroid_: I would not use an addon that requires any out of game configuring |
| 16:14.09 | batrick | I find it massively annoying that the blizzard behavior is kept :( |
| 16:14.15 | Cide | I don't maintain ctmod anymore :P |
| 16:14.16 | Cide | so no idea |
| 16:14.20 | batrick | ! |
| 16:14.27 | batrick | that's depressing |
| 16:14.28 | Cide | another guy does |
| 16:14.36 | Cide | dargen |
| 16:14.43 | DarthAndroid_ | Jamash: May I ask why? The extra work of hunting down the config file in your addons dir? |
| 16:14.45 | nevcairiel | if you have to think about his name, it probably sucks |
| 16:15.12 | Jamash | DarthAndroid_: Because it tells me the author of the addon can't be bothered to make it easy to use. |
| 16:15.23 | Jamash | In which case I can't be bothered to use it. |
| 16:15.34 | Cide | nevcairiel: how so? |
| 16:16.03 | Jamash | I go to a great deal of effort to make sure my addon is easy to use and configure |
| 16:16.05 | syrae | nevcairiel: I figured that if you didn't have to think of his name it was bad since that meant he's constantly bothering you about your sorce |
| 16:16.22 | Cide | my source is perfect |
| 16:16.42 | Cide | it is a shining beacon of light |
| 16:16.44 | syrae | Cide: doesn't mean that everyone is smart enough to read it well, though |
| 16:16.54 | Cide | oh |
| 16:16.58 | Lulia | I find it odd that with the changes to talents, Blizzard didn't add a function that tells you the spec. I'm guessing the best way to figure it out is the numtalents function? |
| 16:17.00 | Cide | that's reserved for a few enlightened individuals |
| 16:17.27 | syrae | Lulia: the primary spec will always have more talents than secondaries. That's a given now |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | Lulia: GetPrimaryTalentTree() |
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| 16:17.49 | nevcairiel | returns 1-3 |
| 16:18.10 | Lulia | I don't see that on WoWPedia, hmm |
| 16:18.30 | Lulia | Thanks, Nevcairiel |
| 16:18.32 | nevcairiel | wowpedia continues the wowwiki tradition of not being up2date, unless you help updating it :p |
| 16:18.47 | Lulia | I'd add it in, but I know nothing about the function ;) |
| 16:19.05 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I generally check wowwiki first, then wowprogramming |
| 16:19.15 | durcyn | look in FrameXML/CharacterFrame.lua, staring at line 73 for an example, Lulia |
| 16:19.19 | Jamash | I read the blizzard source |
| 16:19.23 | nevcairiel | for API i only check wowprogramming |
| 16:19.23 | Cide | MoonWitch|Mobile why would you ever do that? |
| 16:19.24 | Lulia | wowprogramming has it, but not documentation |
| 16:19.25 | Jamash | in hex |
| 16:19.34 | Jamash | on a paper terminal |
| 16:19.36 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Cide? do what exactly |
| 16:19.36 | Lulia | Thanks, durcyn |
| 16:19.40 | nevcairiel | I know it has all functions, and if i find one thats not documented, i can add that there =) |
| 16:19.42 | Cide | check wowwiki over wowprogramming |
| 16:19.48 | MoonWitch|Mobile | habit |
| 16:19.55 | MoonWitch|Mobile | admitedly not my best habit |
| 16:19.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | but just habit |
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| 16:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | resets MoonWitch|Mobile's bookmarks! :) |
| 16:20.26 | durcyn | speaking of which, wowwiki's still above wowpedia in google results, could you guys not take the domain name with you when you left wikia or something? |
| 16:20.32 | Jamash | I check wowpedia first because I found out about it first |
| 16:20.46 | Lulia | Wait, where is that durcyn? |
| 16:20.47 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: wikia owns the domain |
| 16:20.51 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I actually have it as homepace |
| 16:20.54 | MoonWitch|Mobile | page* |
| 16:21.02 | durcyn | Lulia: huh? github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source is what i use |
| 16:21.12 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: that seems like a less than ideal arrangement |
| 16:21.18 | MoonWitch|Mobile | durcyn: I actually forked it to NEVER lose it |
| 16:21.21 | Maldivia | Lulia: it takes 3 argument (optional) |
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| 16:22.05 | durcyn | MoonWitch|Mobile: why fork? not like i'm gonna get around to pushing updates before tekkub |
| 16:22.09 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 16:22.09 | alestane | Station, m'f'er. |
| 16:22.14 | Maldivia | Lulia: (inspect,pet,talentgroup) |
| 16:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Station, dearest. |
| 16:22.39 | Lunessa | huggles alestane and Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:22.53 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: blame the former owner of the domain |
| 16:22.54 | Lulia | inspect and pet are obvious |
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| 16:23.00 | Lulia | what's the talentgroup argument do? |
| 16:23.15 | durcyn | primary/secondary, iirc |
| 16:23.31 | Maldivia | yeah, 1 = primary, 2 = secondary |
| 16:23.43 | Maldivia | 3 = tertiary, if they ever add that :) |
| 16:23.55 | Lulia | :) |
| 16:24.05 | Maldivia | the other two are boolean |
| 16:24.10 | Lulia | right |
| 16:24.19 | MoonWitch|Mobile | back -- was cooking |
| 16:25.00 | MoonWitch|Mobile | i really need a desktop manager thingie |
| 16:25.09 | Maldivia | desktop manager thingie? |
| 16:25.16 | Jamash | you mean virtual desktops? |
| 16:25.20 | MoonWitch|Mobile | yep |
| 16:25.23 | Jamash | I should get one |
| 16:25.29 | MoonWitch|Mobile | same |
| 16:25.41 | Jamash | any recommendations for a windows 7-compatible virtual desktop program? |
| 16:25.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | and thatÅ where i got stuck too lol |
| 16:25.59 | Cide | nope |
| 16:26.24 | Lulia | Oh, someone did add GetPrimaryTalentTree, they just didn't bother to link it up to the main api page |
| 16:26.26 | Lulia | easy enough |
| 16:26.46 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so wowpedia is maintained by you guys mostly I take it |
| 16:26.47 | Jamash | windows ought to have it built in imo |
| 16:26.55 | Jamash | check out #wowpedia |
| 16:27.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | alrigggght |
| 16:27.51 | Jamash | there's a convert raid to party function!? |
| 16:27.54 | Jamash | hawt |
| 16:28.07 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh now that I have been waiting for |
| 16:28.14 | Lunessa | Windows Mesh/Remote Desktop? |
| 16:28.31 | MoonWitch|Mobile | raid to party |
| 16:28.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | Jamash: gonna test crystal desktop |
| 16:32.17 | zenzelezz | Ars Technica is asking "Any of you still waiting on the white iPhone 4?"... I didn't even know the current iPhone 4 wasn't for white people |
| 16:33.25 | Lulia | WoWPedia gives me a lot of errors :( |
| 16:33.35 | zenzelezz | what kind of errors? |
| 16:33.57 | Lulia | Unexpected Error: There has been an unexpected error with the backend servers, or they took to long to respond. This is probably a temporary issue. Please try again shortly. |
| 16:34.59 | Jamash | zenzelezz: haw |
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| 16:38.08 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetPrimaryTalentTree |
| 16:38.17 | Lulia | How does that look? I edited the page to fill in the information |
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| 16:38.51 | Lulia | Before it was shown with no arguments and the only thing on the page was the synopsis and remarks. |
| 16:39.30 | Jamash | looks good to me |
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| 16:41.05 | foxlit | Lulia: slight formatting issues, sec |
| 16:41.31 | Lulia | Well... tell me what they are so I can learn :P |
| 16:41.54 | Lulia | I looked at another page while doing it to fit it as closely as possible |
| 16:42.02 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetNumTalents |
| 16:43.02 | LordAbyss | http://my.curse.com/forums/p/202420/859602.aspx#859602 ; if you could respond on that forum post please, seeing as i am about to go afk |
| 16:47.50 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
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| 16:50.04 | Lulia | hi |
| 16:52.05 | Jamash | hilo |
| 16:52.14 | Fisker | hi jnwhiteh |
| 16:52.17 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 16:52.42 | Ackis | lohi |
| 16:52.45 | Ackis | hugs cogwheel |
| 16:52.46 | Ackis | HAH |
| 16:52.51 | cogwheel | onoes! |
| 16:52.58 | cogwheel | global warming denier cooties |
| 16:53.02 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 16:53.03 | Ackis | muahhahhaah |
| 16:53.14 | Ackis | wished it was global warm here |
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| 16:56.35 | syrae | I need a name for my addon :-\ |
| 16:56.40 | syrae | This is hard |
| 16:57.00 | Lulia | What does it do? |
| 16:57.04 | ccox | nah,, just make up stuff |
| 16:57.09 | Humbedooh | pie? |
| 16:57.11 | ccox | "deconfrobulator" |
| 16:57.13 | syrae | Lulia: Archaeology helper |
| 16:57.25 | Lulia | Sounds like a good name right there |
| 16:57.30 | syrae | it's LONG |
| 16:57.34 | ccox | "gnomish whizzlejammer" |
| 16:57.35 | Lulia | Dig Safe! |
| 16:57.37 | Lulia | How about that? |
| 16:57.47 | syrae | hrm... maybe |
| 16:57.49 | Lulia | Or just Dig Helper |
| 16:57.56 | Lulia | or just Dig |
| 16:58.02 | syrae | The ones I came up with were Archaeologist, DigBuddy, Unearthed |
| 16:58.12 | ccox | Unearthed sounds good |
| 16:58.18 | Lulia | I like DigBuddy |
| 16:58.20 | syrae | yeah, that's my current fave |
| 16:58.26 | syrae | Unearthed, that is |
| 16:58.32 | Lulia | >.> |
| 16:58.38 | syrae | Lulia: hehe |
| 16:58.59 | Ackis | syrae: just call it Syrae Archaeology Helper or SAH |
| 16:59.18 | ccox | Cataclysmic Helper for Unearthed Digging |
| 16:59.21 | syrae | The problem with Archaeologist is that no one knows how to spell it correctly unless you're writing the damn word a lot |
| 16:59.27 | ccox | or C.H.U.D. for short |
| 16:59.28 | Cide | it's opposite over hypotenuse for sine, Ackis |
| 16:59.30 | syrae | >_< |
| 16:59.31 | Cide | not adjacent |
| 16:59.52 | syrae | ok |
| 16:59.54 | Humbedooh | Terrific Helper for Unearthed Digding! |
| 16:59.56 | Humbedooh | Thud! |
| 17:00.11 | Humbedooh | s/digding/digging/ |
| 17:00.18 | Ackis | syrae: spell checker ftw |
| 17:00.19 | syrae | so, there's another thing. Some people brand their addons, like tekkub and Ackis and whatnot. Some people don't |
| 17:00.23 | syrae | Ackis: indeed |
| 17:00.43 | ccox | I thought tekkub just make up short random stuff |
| 17:00.48 | Lulia | Anyone have a good screen shot of the eclipse bar? |
| 17:00.54 | Lulia | All the ones I can find are pretty low res |
| 17:01.03 | syrae | ccox: a lot of his stuff is tek<blah> |
| 17:01.22 | syrae | ccox: or hillariously named |
| 17:01.53 | ccox | If you have a lot of stuff then labelling makes sense to help increase awareness |
| 17:02.01 | syrae | This will be my first |
| 17:02.10 | syrae | I am sure the code will make most of you wince |
| 17:02.16 | ccox | (ie: http://fizzwidget.com/ ) |
| 17:02.16 | syrae | it will be awesome |
| 17:02.41 | syrae | right |
| 17:02.55 | syrae | I don't think I need to worry about being a prolific author |
| 17:03.01 | syrae | I'm too damned lazy |
| 17:03.48 | syrae | and honestly, if I did brand it, I'd be with my main's name, and well... who wants to use an addon named after Faileas (or Fail for short!) :P |
| 17:04.18 | Ackis | I named ARL because I have no imagination and I didn't think anyone other than me would use it |
| 17:04.24 | Ackis | then Torhal stole it from me! |
| 17:04.27 | Ackis | STOLE!!!! |
| 17:04.30 | Ackis | ~arl |
| 17:04.30 | purl | rumour has it, arl is a poorly named, poorly developed, poorly written add-on, developed by Ackis. It will scan your recipes and tell you which are missing, where to acquire them from (vendor, trainer, etc) and what skill level they are. Do not join #arl for more information. |
| 17:04.30 | syrae | Ackis: haha |
| 17:05.03 | syrae | Ackis: yeah, sorry. I do/did use it. |
| 17:05.16 | syrae | I also used/modified your sig generator |
| 17:05.25 | Cide | without his permission? |
| 17:05.28 | foxlit | http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/10/27/1441243/Greg-Ghostcrawler-Street-Lead-Systems-Designer-For-emWorld-of-Warcraftem is mildly interesting |
| 17:05.32 | syrae | Cide: with. |
| 17:05.42 | syrae | And on my guild forums only |
| 17:05.44 | Ackis | I have a sig generator? |
| 17:05.49 | syrae | I thought so |
| 17:06.02 | Ackis | maybe you're thinking adys? |
| 17:06.07 | syrae | no |
| 17:06.28 | nevcairiel | Antiarc had a sig generator |
| 17:06.32 | syrae | oh |
| 17:06.34 | syrae | damnit |
| 17:06.36 | syrae | ys |
| 17:06.39 | syrae | Antiarc's |
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| 17:06.44 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:06.48 | syrae | Silly people with their A-nicks |
| 17:07.08 | Ackis | yeah I'm uncreative with my name |
| 17:07.14 | Ackis | random name generator from 10ish years ago |
| 17:07.24 | syrae | there's only 14+ of you in the channel |
| 17:07.25 | Arrowmaster | i made my name when i was 12 |
| 17:07.38 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: so 4 years ago? |
| 17:07.46 | Arrowmaster | no 12 years ago |
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| 17:08.05 | syrae | Arrowmaster: yeah. I've been using this name since 1999, I think |
| 17:08.06 | Ackis | I thought you were younger actually |
| 17:08.24 | Torhal | No, purl, ARL is a poorly named, previously poorly developed and written AddOn, while it was developed by Ackis. This has changed since Torhal stole it. It will scan your recipes and tell you which are missing, where to acquire them from (vendor, trainer, etc) and what skill level they are. Do not join #arl for more information. |
| 17:08.29 | Torhal | hides. |
| 17:08.35 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you should have been to blizzcon, i think the youngest guys were all from curse |
| 17:08.41 | Ackis | grrr |
| 17:08.43 | Ackis | ~torhal |
| 17:08.51 | Ackis | purl, torhal is a moron. |
| 17:08.51 | purl | okay, Ackis |
| 17:08.56 | Ackis | ~torhal |
| 17:08.56 | purl | [torhal] a moron. |
| 17:08.59 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:09.05 | nicoli_s | we arent that young |
| 17:09.06 | Ackis | <3 |
| 17:09.10 | nicoli_s | avg age 25 |
| 17:09.34 | nicoli_s | unless you count ckknight, think hes like 16 or something |
| 17:09.45 | Torhal | purl, Torhal is not Ackis's minion. |
| 17:09.45 | purl | ...but torhal is already something else... |
| 17:09.50 | Torhal | Damn you purl! |
| 17:09.54 | Ackis | pwwnt |
| 17:10.10 | Ackis | purl, no, torhal is Ackis' minion. |
| 17:10.10 | purl | Ackis: okay |
| 17:10.15 | Ackis | ~torhal |
| 17:10.15 | purl | from memory, torhal is Ackis' minion. |
| 17:10.25 | Ackis | I win the bot war Torhal |
| 17:10.50 | Torhal | purl, no, Torhal is someone who refrains from unleashing a simian army on Ackis on a continual basis. |
| 17:10.50 | purl | okay, Torhal |
| 17:11.09 | Ackis | ~dict simian |
| 17:11.10 | Torhal | :D |
| 17:11.28 | Ackis | nerd |
| 17:11.32 | Torhal | Haha |
| 17:11.43 | Torhal | Ok, back to slaving for Curse. |
| 17:12.11 | amro | how can anyone enslave that haircut? |
| 17:12.33 | Arrowmaster | Torhal's? |
| 17:12.43 | amro | yes |
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| 17:13.40 | Xtek | Torhal, no! |
| 17:13.42 | Xtek | Back to work! |
| 17:13.58 | Arrowmaster | you get back to work |
| 17:14.02 | Xtek | :P |
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| 17:29.06 | Torhal | Xtek: I'm confused. I said I was getting back to work...then you tell me "no!" and go on to say "Back to work!" |
| 17:29.11 | Torhal | scratches his head. |
| 17:29.16 | Ackis | ~torhal |
| 17:29.16 | purl | torhal is, like, one of Ackis' favourite minions. Pompy too. |
| 17:29.34 | Torhal | ~whalenuke Ackis |
| 17:29.34 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Ackis with his mind powers. |
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| 17:34.20 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.33 | TC-Work | Kraps: |
| 17:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 17:34.45 | TC-Work | you thinking about today's deal? |
| 17:39.07 | Lopeppeppy | When sheeple do NOT read what I send them, with nice detailed directions, I get very cranky. |
| 17:39.16 | Maldivia | Lunessa: someone's is reading /. :) |
| 17:40.02 | Lunessa | Someone linked it, and Greg's a smart guy. Getting into his head to see how he thinks and the impact it has on the game is a sort of meta-game for me. |
| 17:40.04 | alestane | No look at the sheep. Look at the cute. |
| 17:40.43 | Maldivia | Lunessa: I also like his comment on why they just dont hire more people: "The other example that gets used a lot is: if it takes a woman nine months to have a baby, then if you have two women, it'd only take four and a half!" |
| 17:40.57 | Lunessa | lol |
| 17:41.01 | Dagmar | We can always *hope*. |
| 17:41.20 | Ackis | "Warcraft Fanboy Stumps the Hell out of the Games Developers During Blizzcon Q&A http://goo.gl/fb/GLXUO " |
| 17:41.32 | Fisker | not so hey Lopeppeppy |
| 17:41.37 | Fisker | not so hey Ackis |
| 17:41.39 | Fisker | but hey alestane |
| 17:42.03 | Dagmar | Ackis: "Congratulations, red! You're the biggest nerd in the room at Blizzcon!" |
| 17:42.04 | alestane | That's an old one, Maldivia, although I usually hear as "Nine women cannot produce a baby in one month." |
| 17:43.06 | ccox | My managers still think that 9 women and one month can make a baby.... |
| 17:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | And one fan can over-prepare for any given panel like nobody's business. *shakes head* |
| 17:43.32 | Maldivia | Dagmar: and if it had been a red star trek shirt, we'd all know what would have happened :) |
| 17:43.34 | Ackis | ccox: you need 1 man, 9 women and 1 month sheesh |
| 17:43.50 | ccox | Ackis - not with the wonders of modern medicine! |
| 17:43.59 | Ackis | still need the man |
| 17:44.11 | Maldivia | ccox: modern? it's over 2000 years old :) |
| 17:44.11 | Dagmar | Maldivia: This is what LARPing is for... Eliminating questionable parts of the gene pool. |
| 17:44.15 | ccox | nah, he can be outsourced |
| 17:44.18 | syrae | Ackis: clones need to mans |
| 17:44.23 | syrae | wow |
| 17:44.33 | syrae | let's try English |
| 17:44.40 | syrae | Clones don't require men |
| 17:44.41 | Maldivia | :) |
| 17:45.00 | syrae | I swear that English is my native tongue! |
| 17:45.08 | Maldivia | wht it it's a clone of a man? |
| 17:45.12 | Maldivia | what if* |
| 17:45.20 | amro | syrae: that makes it worse |
| 17:45.33 | ccox | syrae: you English swear that your tongue is native? |
| 17:45.36 | syrae | amro: I know. Just thought I'd point it out |
| 17:45.38 | Dagmar | What if it's a clone of Chris Crocker? |
| 17:45.39 | amro | at least I can say it's my third language whenever I screw up :P |
| 17:45.51 | Maldivia | Dagmar: we're talking about men here! |
| 17:45.57 | Dagmar | heh |
| 17:46.11 | syrae | I'm sleep deprived right now, so I kinda sometimes just start getting all the words mixed up |
| 17:46.23 | amro | too me |
| 17:46.26 | syrae | hehe |
| 17:46.33 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I went to that panel - I bailed because it was full of pointless and uninteresting questions. And I'm a wow nerd. |
| 17:46.35 | Dagmar | syrae: I know that feeling. Generally easier to treat as caffiene deprivation tho |
| 17:46.41 | ccox | Sadly, my employers also believe that cheapest is best, so they'll hire 9 women in China and layoff the one man here in the US |
| 17:47.05 | syrae | Dagmar: sadly, I don't drink caffeinated beverages. |
| 17:47.16 | Dagmar | syrae: They make pills, you know |
| 17:47.21 | syrae | heh |
| 17:47.30 | Dagmar | I actually have a bottle of 'em. |
| 17:47.32 | alestane | The Lore panel, Lunessa? |
| 17:47.41 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes. |
| 17:47.47 | Dagmar | They just looove a bottle of caffiene pills at the airport. |
| 17:47.56 | Lunessa | After 15 minutes, I wanted to murder everyone asking questions. |
| 17:48.06 | Ackis | Fisker is being mean to me |
| 17:48.07 | Dagmar | "Why don't you just drink coffee?" "Because the coffee you people drink here tastes like boiled shit." |
| 17:48.10 | syrae | caffeine also really doesn't help me. I still feel dead tired and ready to pass out, but my body ends up being hyper. It's actually incredibly irritating feeling |
| 17:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | I sympathize, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 17:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | When the lore is being rules-lawyer-geeked to death, it ceases to be fun. |
| 17:48.41 | syrae | then if I do fall asleep, I dream of running... a LOT |
| 17:48.45 | Lunessa | syrae: Welcome to my daily life. |
| 17:48.46 | Lulia | Lunessa: Which panel? |
| 17:48.56 | Lunessa | The Lore panel at blizzcon. |
| 17:49.16 | Lulia | Ah, I'm a lore nerd as well :-/ |
| 17:49.34 | Lopeppeppy | I love the lore. I do not love the people who nitpick it to death. |
| 17:49.53 | Lulia | So, who wants to engage in a little problem solving with me? |
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| 17:50.37 | foxlit | I volunteer Shirik. State a question and he'll answer :P |
| 17:50.42 | Lulia | :P |
| 17:50.52 | Lulia | Well, it requires a bit of setup before the question! |
| 17:50.54 | Shirik | AnswerBot 5000 Online |
| 17:50.56 | syrae | Shirik: what kind of underwear am I wearing right now? |
| 17:51.01 | ccox | lore and bore are just too close for comfort |
| 17:51.04 | Shirik | Pink with purple hearts |
| 17:51.07 | Dagmar | Trick questions don't count. |
| 17:51.12 | syrae | Shirik: damn, I wish |
| 17:51.37 | foxlit | Lulia: ask away anyway. We don't do much answering one-to-one :) |
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| 17:52.23 | Dagmar | Those lore panels would probably go better if the audience were allowed to vote on the answers. Three choices: 1. Point to querent, 2. Point to devs, 3. BIG NERD. |
| 17:52.26 | Lulia | Sorry, doing many things at once. Alright then. |
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| 17:53.11 | Lulia | So my AddOn deals with resource systems and the next challenge to tackle is eclipse. I'm figuring UnitPower() for eclipse grabs the number and that I'll also need to grab a buff to know which side it's on, so that much is evident to me so far. |
| 17:53.18 | syrae | Dagmar: world building is srsbsns |
| 17:53.57 | Lulia | I figured the best way to represent the slider would be to create my frame with the eclipse bar image and then create a child frame to that which is the width of the bar |
| 17:54.10 | Lulia | Then I would create a child frame to that with a slider image as its texture |
| 17:54.13 | Dagmar | syrae: I just wish people would stop taking something that's one step above looseleaf fanfic and trying to treat it like a historical record |
| 17:54.19 | Lunessa | Dagmar: All the questions were the sort that seemed a waste of everyone's time - time I would rather have seen spent answering much more interesting things or spent writing text to go on their website. |
| 17:54.38 | Lulia | And move the image along the invisible frame that coincides with the eclipse bar |
| 17:54.59 | Lulia | 0-149 would be lunar and 150-300 would be solar, something like that. Which is all well and good if it stays one size. |
| 17:55.04 | Lulia | But since it can be resized. |
| 17:55.13 | Lulia | I need to figure out some way to convert to a percentage |
| 17:55.32 | Dagmar | Lunessa: A waste of everyone's time, except the lore-jockeys who clearly have nothing better to do. :/ |
| 17:55.48 | Lunessa | Makes me wonder how they paid for their tickets. |
| 17:55.49 | Lulia | So that I can sync up the current eclipse power with a percentage of the max width of the middle frame |
| 17:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | Blowing up balloons with hot air, Lunessa? |
| 17:56.06 | Dagmar | Probably involved taking off their wizard hats |
| 17:56.13 | Lunessa | ^ |
| 17:56.23 | Lulia | Now, I know how to grab width and all of that stuff. |
| 17:56.40 | syrae | Dagmar: I know people do get just completely enamored or obsessed with things. I'm not sure it's really something they have a lot of control over. I know I can obsess over stuff, but thankfully I get bored after a bit and then I can enjoy something at more... sane levels. |
| 17:56.47 | Lulia | So the major issue is trying to come up with the math to convert that to a percentage that I can use to move the slider frame along in relative position to it |
| 17:56.59 | alestane | Lulia, pointer:SetPoint("CENTER", bar, ((eclipse - maxEclipse) - 0.5) * frame:GetWidth(), 0) or something of the sort. |
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| 17:57.46 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 17:58.05 | Dagmar | syrae: The problem isn't the obsession, the problem is the expectation. They expect a bunch of video game fans to come up with a storyline that's 100% internally consistent, and the question is... how can they have gone this long without realizing that it's just not in the design |
| 17:58.37 | Lulia | What does the - 0.5 do, Alestane? |
| 17:58.46 | syrae | blind to the reality that is world building/long term story design |
| 17:58.47 | nevcairiel | subtract 0.5 |
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| 17:58.57 | Dagmar | ...and where are these nerds when I'm hitting quests like Black Morass, damnit? |
| 17:58.58 | syrae | nevcairiel: /facepalm |
| 17:58.59 | Lulia | Well yeah |
| 17:59.06 | alestane | Converts it from a 0-1 range to a -0.5 - +0.5 range, Lulia. |
| 17:59.13 | alestane | Since you're anchoring off the center. |
| 17:59.31 | alestane | Or I was, in that example. |
| 17:59.32 | Lulia | Ah, I was intending to anchor off of left, but I could anchor off of the center |
| 17:59.33 | foxlit | wonders why you wouldn't just anchor off LEFT instead |
| 17:59.33 | Lulia | :) |
| 17:59.49 | mitchnull | yo dawgs |
| 17:59.52 | alestane | Because it's a center-based stat? |
| 18:00.08 | Dagmar | Seeing people wonder aloud in-game "WTF is Thrall's problem anyway?" makes me grind my teeth when I know it's someone who claims to have played WC I, II, and III |
| 18:00.18 | nevcairiel | http://pastey.net/142148 |
| 18:00.18 | alestane | You certainly could, though, as long as all the math stays consistent. |
| 18:00.20 | nevcairiel | here is what i do |
| 18:00.38 | Lulia | Well I guess the question becomes: which one is more work |
| 18:00.49 | Lulia | Doing it from a left-based system I check for which buff is up |
| 18:00.52 | syrae | Dagmar: heh. I just don't remember all the lore. I haven't gotten obsessed enough with Blizz lore to trigger my trivia retention skillz |
| 18:01.09 | nevcairiel | UnitPower returns -100 - +100 |
| 18:01.11 | Lulia | And go from a 0-149 range and a 150-300 range |
| 18:01.14 | Dagmar | Lulia: Unless your'e computing something that involves a very small e, you should probably worry aobut which one is more readable |
| 18:01.15 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 18:01.17 | Lulia | Oh, does it? |
| 18:01.20 | mitchnull | I need a short descriptive name for a toggle that sets whether disabled plugins should be displayed last in a list, or inline with the enabled plugins (otherwise sorted alphabetically) |
| 18:01.28 | alestane | That's even simpler than. |
| 18:01.28 | Lulia | I thought it returned 0 to 100 for Eclipse |
| 18:01.30 | alestane | then* |
| 18:01.30 | nevcairiel | thats how i treat the value anyway |
| 18:01.39 | syrae | The real lore nerds get the trivia. The trivial, even. They seek it out and remember it. |
| 18:01.40 | nevcairiel | (and it works) |
| 18:01.58 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/PowerType |
| 18:01.58 | nevcairiel | there also is GetEclipseDirection() for which direction the eclipse is moving |
| 18:02.00 | Lulia | is wrong then |
| 18:02.07 | nevcairiel | if you have some kind of arrowy thingy |
| 18:02.28 | Dagmar | syrae: Well, Black Morass and the bit where Thrall escapes are acutally pretty serious moments in WC altogether. IIRC, in Black Morass, that's the first contact anyone had ever had with orcs (well, other than Medivh) |
| 18:02.37 | nevcairiel | let me double check |
| 18:02.41 | nevcairiel | is a druid |
| 18:02.43 | syrae | Dagmar: correct |
| 18:02.48 | Dagmar | syrae: Thrall goes on his rampage because he was trying to broker peace and got screwed over by both sides, IIRC |
| 18:02.53 | Lulia | Eclipse is used by Druids in moonkin form. Eclipse power goes from 0 to 100, and its use as solar or lunar power is determined by what buff is active on the player. |
| 18:02.58 | Lulia | Is what it says on the page |
| 18:03.10 | nevcairiel | there are long times without any buff up |
| 18:03.15 | nevcairiel | how would you figure that out? :p |
| 18:03.22 | Lulia | I dont have a boomkin |
| 18:03.30 | syrae | Dagmar: I can't remember how Thrall ended up imprisoned. That's stuff that I either didn't ever play through or I haven't read up on or I've just forgotten |
| 18:03.35 | Lulia | So I wouldn't know, I sort of have to trust the API to be correct :P |
| 18:03.55 | nevcairiel | don't trust wowpedia |
| 18:03.59 | Dagmar | syrae: I don't remember the how either, but I remember the setting from the previous game |
| 18:04.17 | alestane | I hate it when I do that. |
| 18:04.18 | nevcairiel | its a good starting point, but often enough its wrong =p |
| 18:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | syrae, I believe that orcs were just generically rounded up into concentration camps, and there was Thrall, in one. |
| 18:04.53 | Lulia | wowprogramming doesnt have any documentation on geteclipse direction either |
| 18:04.56 | syrae | nevcairiel: if you were going to suggest a resource site, what would you suggest? |
| 18:05.12 | alestane | I was clicking in the save button for a file download, wondering why it wasn't doing anything...it was because I was clicking on the button in the sample picture of "This is what the download confirmation will look like" in the middle of the page. |
| 18:05.20 | ZorbaTHut | sigh, almost nobody trying to take over QH is remotely competent :( |
| 18:05.26 | nevcairiel | for API documentation, wowprogramming |
| 18:05.27 | alestane | Thrall was sort of a favored pet IIRC. |
| 18:05.28 | Lunessa | Odd... "too many attempts" to login on my battle.net account? |
| 18:05.50 | alestane | That's odd and ominous, Lunessa. |
| 18:05.53 | KarlKFI|work | Best video card review ever: http://i.imgur.com/9fgrC.jpg |
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| 18:06.06 | Lunessa | Good thing I have an authenticator, I guess. |
| 18:06.21 | Lulia | nevcairiel: wowprogramming doesnt have eclipse listed in its power types and doesnt have any documentation on GetEclipseDirection |
| 18:06.21 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 18:06.41 | nevcairiel | !api UnitPower |
| 18:06.41 | lua_bot | UnitPower: Returns a unit's current level of mana, rage, energy or other power type (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitPower) |
| 18:06.45 | syrae | In my experience, all doc sites are out of date |
| 18:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Karl... you just made me cry. Reviews based on Facebook? |
| 18:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | I need a new video card, do not tease the Peppy! :) |
| 18:07.04 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 18:07.06 | Lulia | Right, I know how the function works |
| 18:07.14 | Lulia | But knowing what it returns based on the type is important. |
| 18:07.26 | Lulia | You said that Eclipse is a value of -100 to 100, correct? |
| 18:07.41 | KarlKFI|work | the minecraft bit is epic too |
| 18:07.53 | nevcairiel | yes it is |
| 18:07.54 | Maldivia | eclipse is -100 to 100, yeah |
| 18:08.04 | nevcairiel | Lulia: i just wanted the link to edit the page :p |
| 18:08.08 | Dagmar | minecraft bit? |
| 18:08.18 | KarlKFI|work | [11:05]<KarlKFI|work>Best video card review ever: http://i.imgur.com/9fgrC.jpg |
| 18:08.33 | syrae | nevcairiel: is there some "how to edit" page on wowprogramming anywhere? |
| 18:08.37 | Dagmar | Oh, on the review |
| 18:09.01 | KarlKFI|work | the more links you click the cooler you are |
| 18:09.04 | Lulia | -100 to -1 is lunar? |
| 18:09.10 | Lulia | 1 to 100 is solar? |
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| 18:09.53 | foxlit | You can be in those power ranges without having an eclipse buff up. |
| 18:09.57 | Maldivia | Lulia: when you hit either 100 or -100, you get the eclipse buff, which lasts until the bar hits/crosses 0 |
| 18:10.12 | nevcairiel | -100 is lunar, yes |
| 18:10.40 | Lulia | Alright |
| 18:10.55 | nevcairiel | !api GetEclipseDirection |
| 18:10.55 | lua_bot | GetEclipseDirection: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetEclipseDirection) |
| 18:11.07 | Lulia | So I still need to check for buffs, because I have part of the main frame "glow" when the buff comes up |
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| 18:11.16 | Lulia | At least, I gathered that's what happens from the screen shots I saw |
| 18:11.28 | Lulia | I thought it was only at 100, but now I assume it was whenever the buff is up |
| 18:11.30 | nevcairiel | check how the default UI does it |
| 18:11.36 | Lulia | I'm going to |
| 18:11.37 | Lulia | But... |
| 18:11.41 | Lulia | I need to get a moonkin up |
| 18:11.44 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 18:11.47 | nevcairiel | i mean, code wise |
| 18:11.47 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 18:11.57 | Lulia | Oh, I'm awful at reading code :P |
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| 18:12.53 | alestane | There's a story here: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Texts-From-Areacode-828.html |
| 18:14.20 | alestane | Not that link, sorry. |
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| 18:14.42 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21840.html |
| 18:14.54 | alestane | However, it's probably just as well we don't know what that story is. |
| 18:15.58 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: why can't i edit the function signatures on wowprogramming? |
| 18:17.13 | Shirik | (14:11:29) (Lulia) Oh, I'm awful at reading code :P |
| 18:17.16 | Shirik | that's probably not true |
| 18:17.27 | Lulia | o.O |
| 18:17.28 | syrae | s/probably/hopefully |
| 18:17.38 | Shirik | You're probably awful at reading unreadable code |
| 18:17.44 | Shirik | which, unfortunately, is about 90% of code |
| 18:17.49 | Cide | and 100% of Shirik's |
| 18:17.54 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:17.55 | syrae | zing! |
| 18:18.09 | Shirik | my code is usually 50% comments tyvm |
| 18:18.21 | Cide | you write like 3 lines of code per hour |
| 18:18.22 | nevcairiel | which makes it unreadably |
| 18:18.28 | nevcairiel | s/y/e/ |
| 18:18.32 | Shirik | actually that's about accurate Cide |
| 18:18.33 | syrae | "My code is self-commenting" <-- usually a sign of DOOM |
| 18:18.34 | nevcairiel | who wants to read a novel when you want to read code |
| 18:18.35 | Cide | I know |
| 18:18.40 | Cide | not very difficult to make 3 lines of code per hour readable! |
| 18:18.52 | Shirik | it's not supposed to be difficult! |
| 18:19.10 | Shirik | it's supposed to be qualifiable |
| 18:19.50 | Lulia | I'm sure my code would give most people headaches |
| 18:19.50 | syrae | honestly, my biggest pet peeve is when people just leave in all their old code and functions and whatnot as comments |
| 18:19.50 | Ackis | my code is win |
| 18:19.57 | syrae | Never delete anything! I might need it later! |
| 18:20.06 | Shirik | that's what VCS is for |
| 18:20.07 | Lulia | Well, I comment code out while I'm testing, but I try to remove it when it's tested to work with the new code |
| 18:20.07 | Ackis | local butt = {};stuff;wipe(butt) |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik | syntax error: '=' expected near 'stuff' |
| 18:20.31 | syrae | Lulia: right |
| 18:20.39 | Ackis | lol Shirik |
| 18:20.41 | Shirik | lua> local butt = {};stuff;wipe(butt) |
| 18:20.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | aw |
| 18:20.45 | Shirik | I was close |
| 18:21.26 | Shirik | I think I'm turning into a compiler |
| 18:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nooooo! |
| 18:21.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:21.57 | Fisker | HEY |
| 18:22.11 | syrae | aw man... not Fisker |
| 18:22.13 | alestane | searches for a way to reverse Shirik's curse. |
| 18:22.35 | Lulia | well, apparently the BLP2PNG converter doesn't like some of my PNGs |
| 18:22.37 | Lulia | Funky |
| 18:22.49 | Fisker | think they'll launch a new version of the armory with the new community site? |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:22.58 | Fisker | why would BLP2PNg like ANY of your PNGs? |
| 18:23.11 | Lulia | Because it works in reverse |
| 18:23.20 | Fisker | then it shouldn't be BLP2PNG |
| 18:23.23 | Lulia | It converts PNGs to BLP as well as BLP to PNG |
| 18:23.33 | Fisker | but BLP2PNG2BLP2PNG2YOUGETTHEDRIFT |
| 18:23.40 | nevcairiel | don't mind Fisker, he is the resident channel troll |
| 18:23.50 | Fisker | no u nevcairiel |
| 18:23.53 | Lulia | But I want the program to convert these PNGs and it wont :( |
| 18:23.58 | Fisker | besides it was semisrs nevcairiel |
| 18:24.05 | Cide | Shirik: isn't that the perfect death? |
| 18:24.06 | Fisker | since it used to be BLP2PNG and PNG2BLP |
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| 18:24.13 | Maldivia | Lulia: and you're sure the dimensions are correct ? |
| 18:24.19 | Lulia | Oh... |
| 18:24.21 | Lulia | That might be it |
| 18:24.32 | Cide | death by transformation into compiler |
| 18:24.32 | Lulia | one is 12x34 |
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| 18:24.38 | Maldivia | wont work |
| 18:24.41 | Maldivia | power of 2 |
| 18:24.42 | Lulia | Other is 22 x 27 |
| 18:24.55 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 18:25.04 | Jamash | pad or stretch |
| 18:25.14 | Maldivia | 2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512 are the valid widths/heights |
| 18:25.16 | Lulia | 2x4x8x16x32? |
| 18:25.17 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 18:25.26 | Jamash | if you look at the blizzard textures there's a lot of padding going on |
| 18:25.34 | brandonjviles | must be a power of 2 |
| 18:25.48 | brandonjviles | oh, maldivia said that |
| 18:26.15 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: because they're automatically generated |
| 18:26.21 | jnwhiteh | fill in the API documentation, and the signature is there. |
| 18:26.26 | nevcairiel | then that doesnt work |
| 18:26.30 | nevcairiel | !api UnitPower |
| 18:26.30 | lua_bot | UnitPower: Returns a unit's current level of mana, rage, energy or other power type (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitPower) |
| 18:26.31 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 18:26.37 | Jamash | no it doesn't |
| 18:26.37 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 18:26.39 | nevcairiel | it updated now |
| 18:26.41 | nevcairiel | you cheated |
| 18:26.42 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:26.44 | jnwhiteh | try again? |
| 18:26.48 | Lulia | the second one was easy enough |
| 18:26.49 | jnwhiteh | It's _always_ worked that way |
| 18:26.59 | Lulia | But 12x34 is going to be rough unless I cut it |
| 18:27.03 | nevcairiel | Oh wait, when i hit edit |
| 18:27.06 | nevcairiel | it shows the wrong one |
| 18:27.09 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:27.09 | nevcairiel | thats what confused me |
| 18:27.09 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 18:27.16 | Maldivia | Lulia: well, you can put it in the corner of a 16x64 :) |
| 18:27.16 | jnwhiteh | I can remove that field if it will make you feel better |
| 18:27.28 | Jamash | Lulia: You can pad it out to the next largest power, then specify how to truncate it when you display it |
| 18:27.42 | nevcairiel | I just was on the edit page, and wanted to fix the signature, because it looked wrong in that edit box, jeez :P |
| 18:27.42 | Maldivia | Lulia: and then ingame use the TexCoords to specify what part you want |
| 18:28.16 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Signature removed.. happy? |
| 18:29.04 | Lulia | I got it working |
| 18:29.38 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: Some people just have their srs face on all the time. =| |
| 18:29.47 | nevcairiel | what did the signature on the edit page indicate? something gathered from the game? |
| 18:30.06 | jnwhiteh | something from 2-3 years ago |
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| 18:30.17 | jnwhiteh | taken from in-game error messages, or grepping and analysing the framexml source |
| 18:30.27 | Lunessa | ARGH! Battle.net let me change my password, no problem. Still won't let me login. |
| 18:30.40 | nevcairiel | how can you change your password if you cannot login? |
| 18:30.43 | Dagmar | Sounds like billing day |
| 18:30.47 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 18:30.51 | jnwhiteh | so maybe Terran aren't for me. |
| 18:30.54 | jnwhiteh | anyone have any suggestions |
| 18:30.58 | jnwhiteh | I seem pretty terrible with them |
| 18:31.01 | Lunessa | I'm getting "Too many attempts." |
| 18:31.03 | jnwhiteh | can't even win in silver with a 4 racks rush. |
| 18:31.24 | Cide | I like protoss and zerg both a lot more than terran |
| 18:32.08 | jnwhiteh | I'm just terrible. |
| 18:32.12 | jnwhiteh | that's my problem. |
| 18:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | If today weren't Wednesday, Lunessa... |
| 18:32.38 | syrae | jnwhiteh: is there a page somewhere where I can see how to edit wowprogramming? Because I tried adding docs for a function last night and got confused |
| 18:32.49 | Shirik | jnwhiteh |
| 18:32.55 | Shirik | how do you like to play? |
| 18:33.01 | Shirik | Offensive, defensive, strategic |
| 18:33.01 | Lulia | Does the Eclipse bar only show up in moonkin form? |
| 18:33.04 | Shirik | air, ground |
| 18:33.29 | jnwhiteh | syrae: you can look at another function |
| 18:33.34 | jnwhiteh | I haven't quite had time to write up a 'howto' |
| 18:33.37 | jnwhiteh | but they're just Lua tables |
| 18:33.48 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I don't know.. I'm too terrible to have preferences |
| 18:33.56 | jnwhiteh | I rush because if I don't I get rushed |
| 18:34.06 | jnwhiteh | and everytime I play defensive, I get stomped by heavy air that I can't combat |
| 18:34.06 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 18:34.31 | Fisker | tickles jnwhiteh |
| 18:34.37 | Lulia | Ugh, I have to get to level 30 to get moonkin form |
| 18:34.45 | Lulia | I really hope eclipse isn't moonkin-only :-/ |
| 18:34.53 | Shirik | You should send me one of your replays, maybe I can give you some advice |
| 18:35.03 | Shirik | But I tend to think of Protoss as easier |
| 18:35.09 | Shirik | especially if you're going to do a rush |
| 18:35.16 | jnwhiteh | well I'd rather not rush |
| 18:35.24 | jnwhiteh | I just seem to get my ass kicked regardless of what I do |
| 18:35.29 | jnwhiteh | and I always have too much money |
| 18:35.33 | jnwhiteh | I can't macro well enough =( |
| 18:35.36 | Shirik | Ok that's bad :) |
| 18:35.39 | jnwhiteh | yes =) |
| 18:35.43 | Ackis | Fisker: why does food cost money? |
| 18:35.47 | Shirik | Step 1: Learn the keybinds |
| 18:35.58 | Shirik | And be sure to hotkey all of your buildings |
| 18:36.07 | jnwhiteh | I do |
| 18:36.08 | foxlit | "But I tend to think of Protoss as easier" << meh |
| 18:36.11 | jnwhiteh | and I know the keybinds |
| 18:36.18 | jnwhiteh | what I mean is I can't spend my money fast enough, even with that. |
| 18:36.29 | Xuerian | Step 2: Play zerg, win via macro and ignore micro. Hatcheries everywhere. Banelings out the eyeballs. ... playing with a friend is best. |
| 18:36.29 | jnwhiteh | I just get behind, and can only focus on one thing at a time |
| 18:36.32 | jnwhiteh | comapred to other people. it seems. |
| 18:36.33 | foxlit | Shirik: two words: additional pylons. |
| 18:36.39 | Shirik | I'd have to see your replay really |
| 18:36.59 | Shirik | but me, I'm constantly spamming keys like 5s3aa4d even while attacking |
| 18:37.02 | Shirik | constantly building |
| 18:37.14 | Shirik | that's the key |
| 18:37.36 | Fisker | Ackis inorite? |
| 18:37.41 | Fisker | what the fuck is up with tha t? |
| 18:37.42 | jnwhiteh | I can build units with what I already have, I'm not good at putting new buildings up |
| 18:37.45 | Shirik | but there is one good thing jnwhiteh |
| 18:37.46 | jnwhiteh | i'll send you some of my recents |
| 18:37.54 | alestane | I frequently find myself sitting on a big pile of minerals, jnwhiteh. |
| 18:37.55 | Shirik | most people have trouble getting resouces |
| 18:38.04 | Shirik | it's harder to fix not enough resources than it is to fix too many |
| 18:38.14 | Ackis | Fisker: gimme ops |
| 18:38.26 | Lulia | Anyone here know if the Eclipse bar is only for moonkin form? |
| 18:38.27 | foxlit | Yeah, but once you fix the "too many", you get to fix "not enough" |
| 18:38.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Ackis] by Shirik |
| 18:38.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Ackis] by Shirik |
| 18:38.39 | Cide | not really |
| 18:38.39 | Ackis | Shirik: wrong channel |
| 18:38.41 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:38.41 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/judge-realizes-on-the-internet-no-one-can-tell-youre-a-kid.ars ... judges are slow... |
| 18:38.41 | Lopeppeppy | Xuerian, you lost me at "playing with a friend is best" |
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| 18:38.49 | alestane | I've concluded that I need more production buildings when playing T or P...It's a little less of a problem when I'm playing Z. |
| 18:38.55 | Xuerian | Lopeppeppy: right.. |
| 18:39.04 | Fisker | i won't Ackis |
| 18:39.06 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:39.08 | Fisker | give me ops |
| 18:39.11 | Fisker | without removing it again |
| 18:39.40 | jnwhiteh | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/642175/replays.zip |
| 18:39.40 | Ackis | why not Fisker? |
| 18:39.45 | jnwhiteh | let the mockery begin. |
| 18:39.50 | jnwhiteh | there's gonna be some TERRIBLE games in there. |
| 18:39.54 | Fisker | because you don't agree with me Ackis |
| 18:40.06 | Fisker | especially since you use dropbox jnwhiteh |
| 18:40.16 | Ackis | I agree wiht you Fisker |
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| 18:40.20 | Fisker | now we know you're a bad SC2 player |
| 18:40.25 | Fisker | too little too late Ackis :( |
| 18:40.47 | Ackis | but Fisker I just want to seem important :( |
| 18:41.08 | Xuerian | Fisker, you're missing something. |
| 18:41.11 | Ackis | that way maybe someone will recruit me :'( |
| 18:41.18 | Shirik | will take a look at it a little later jnwhiteh |
| 18:41.22 | Shirik | I gotta go for now |
| 18:41.30 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 18:41.40 | Shirik | and trust me |
| 18:41.40 | Fisker | i did this amazing 2v2 Shirik |
| 18:41.41 | jnwhiteh | i should have not left the practice group |
| 18:41.43 | Shirik | I promise I've seen worse games |
| 18:41.46 | jnwhiteh | i'll have to do some 1v1 with the other races. |
| 18:41.48 | Fisker | where this zerg went like totally nuts with zerglings |
| 18:42.00 | Fisker | and just before he got like ????? zerglings into my base i managed to put a pylon there |
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| 18:42.18 | Fisker | then i made 8 voidrays and attack-moved into his base :O |
| 18:42.52 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: scout. |
| 18:42.52 | Xuerian | Most non-heterosexual unit in the game... |
| 18:42.55 | Xuerian | grumps |
| 18:42.59 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yes, I'm not good at this. |
| 18:43.01 | foxlit | You *cannot* rush blindly |
| 18:43.14 | jnwhiteh | I kinda HATE the rush game |
| 18:43.16 | jnwhiteh | but its all anyone plays :P |
| 18:43.24 | foxlit | so not :) |
| 18:43.35 | Shirik | rushes aren't even meant to kill the player |
| 18:43.39 | Xuerian | jnwhiteh: It isn't about the rush, unless you're planetfortress or 6-pooling zerg. |
| 18:43.40 | Shirik | they're meant to buy time |
| 18:43.42 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 18:43.50 | jnwhiteh | *nod* i know that |
| 18:43.57 | jnwhiteh | I prefer to triple reaper and then probe harass |
| 18:44.10 | Lopeppeppy | This all sounds very very complex and kinky. |
| 18:44.19 | Shirik | I would advise a more typical MM build |
| 18:44.19 | jnwhiteh | and that worked before, but since I got placed in silver, I seem to just be stupid =) |
| 18:44.41 | Xuerian | You're not stupid. You're just meeting people who have had the shit kicked out of them by MechaKoreans |
| 18:44.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:44.59 | foxlit | Besides, matchmaker. |
| 18:45.06 | foxlit | Some losses are to be expected. |
| 18:45.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:45.14 | jnwhiteh | I'm just losing about 70% right now |
| 18:45.17 | jnwhiteh | and still advancing in rank |
| 18:45.20 | jnwhiteh | *boggles the mind* |
| 18:45.21 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 18:45.29 | foxlit | bonus rating, difficulty matches. |
| 18:45.35 | foxlit | You could be beating people in gold ocassionally |
| 18:45.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm just wondering if another race might be better suited for me |
| 18:45.43 | Lulia | It feels like I'm never going to get a job. I apply to places that say they're hiring and they evade me after I fill out my application :( |
| 18:45.48 | jnwhiteh | I really don't have any preconceived notions |
| 18:45.50 | jnwhiteh | never played Sc1 |
| 18:45.54 | jnwhiteh | was more of a WC2/3 player |
| 18:46.10 | Lulia | I play Protoss |
| 18:46.13 | Xuerian | Lulia: Sads. jnwhiteh: Well, try the different ones. Watch some pro replays/narrations. husky and the like |
| 18:46.34 | Xuerian | I was protoss until I realized I had to either stalker or gayray |
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| 18:46.41 | Lulia | I went into a nearby retail store that was hiring and the guy there said he'd call me that night and arrange an interview before thursday, I was happy. |
| 18:46.45 | Lulia | He never called... |
| 18:47.11 | Lulia | So I called the store, got someone else, told them what the guy told me, they put me on hold and come back and say "he hasn't started interviewing yet, he'll call you when he does" |
| 18:47.15 | Lulia | aka "we don't want you" |
| 18:47.21 | Lulia | since I was told two different things :-/ |
| 18:47.45 | foxlit | So, the arid wastes 2v2 |
| 18:48.07 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: lemme pull it up |
| 18:48.12 | foxlit | (7) |
| 18:48.15 | foxlit | You're trying to get through a terran's blocked ramp with marines |
| 18:48.20 | Dagmar | There's also the small matter of "he's a retail manager... organization probably isn't their strong suit" |
| 18:48.38 | foxlit | Watching from your perspective, I don't even know what the protoss is doing. |
| 18:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | Havign time to do things, or being scheduled to work in the days in between, aren't always their strong suit either. |
| 18:49.34 | alestane | Sometimes, "We haven't started yet" really does mean that. |
| 18:49.40 | foxlit | You're actually doing fine in terms of *spending* minerals -- but you've built 13 SCVs in total. |
| 18:50.02 | jnwhiteh | this is a new thing I've moved to |
| 18:50.04 | jnwhiteh | I don't really lie |
| 18:50.12 | jnwhiteh | I normally go with the standard 9/11/13/15/15 |
| 18:50.19 | cbreak | don't overdo it. I've lost many matches trying to fight off an army with 40 drones :/ |
| 18:51.25 | Shirik | you won't overdo it |
| 18:51.35 | foxlit | Basically, *never* stop producing workers |
| 18:51.35 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that was one of the better games, actually |
| 18:51.36 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 18:51.37 | Shirik | keep a constant stream of SCVs |
| 18:51.49 | alestane | Now, whether you want to work for someone who's struggling to keep his appointments depends on how urgently you need work and why he's having trouble. |
| 18:51.51 | foxlit | (If you're zerg, special rules apply, but that's tricky to formulate) |
| 18:52.02 | jnwhiteh | i can do that |
| 18:52.05 | Shirik | ok seriously I need to go |
| 18:52.07 | Shirik | bye |
| 18:52.33 | jnwhiteh | yeah i'm on marines, and protoss is on collossus at 12: |
| 18:52.33 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 18:52.36 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 18:52.37 | foxlit | There's a bunch of marines idling in the middle of the map. |
| 18:53.04 | foxlit | Oh hey, you're going protoss! |
| 18:53.14 | jnwhiteh | whatdya mean? |
| 18:53.17 | foxlit | ... and the ramp is open |
| 18:53.26 | jnwhiteh | yeh I see |
| 18:53.27 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:53.30 | jnwhiteh | instead |
| 18:53.34 | jnwhiteh | i keep throwing things at terran. |
| 18:53.40 | jnwhiteh | even tho they have siege beating me in the face. |
| 18:53.56 | foxlit | Mm, yes. |
| 18:54.06 | jnwhiteh | so scouting is always going to be my mistake |
| 18:54.08 | jnwhiteh | in these games, at least |
| 18:54.08 | foxlit | You rarely want to storm a blocked-off ramp |
| 18:54.25 | jnwhiteh | so you just svn/probe scout? |
| 18:54.33 | jnwhiteh | early, or consistently? |
| 18:54.41 | krka | svn up! |
| 18:54.57 | foxlit | send an SCV after you start building barracks |
| 18:55.12 | jnwhiteh | the most recent replay sucks |
| 18:55.26 | jnwhiteh | 2 terran versus 1 terran + 1 d/c terran |
| 18:55.26 | foxlit | That should let you know (a) where people are, (b) what buildings they're starting out with |
| 18:55.33 | jnwhiteh | so he just masses marines and stomps on us. |
| 18:55.47 | foxlit | Don't stop making workers; and, if you're going to spam marines, get both upgrades |
| 18:56.00 | jnwhiteh | on a positive note, I haven't been proxied in a while :P |
| 18:56.24 | foxlit | You really want to convert your command center to an orbital command as fast as possible |
| 18:56.26 | jnwhiteh | thanks, i'll keep all of this in mind. |
| 18:56.40 | foxlit | Then MULE every so often for extra income |
| 18:56.55 | jnwhiteh | i always do tha |
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| 18:57.01 | jnwhiteh | at 15 in my normal order |
| 18:57.04 | jnwhiteh | along with the second refinery |
| 18:57.06 | foxlit | Not in this game :) |
| 18:57.17 | jnwhiteh | these games are all over the place =) |
| 18:57.20 | jnwhiteh | I've been trying things out |
| 18:57.22 | foxlit | Perhaps study the maps a bit more -- there's usually a backdoor to people's bases; that might be more effective than going through their main gate |
| 18:57.22 | jnwhiteh | and its been bad :P |
| 18:58.06 | krka | is mule really beneficial long term? i mean it costs money to build one |
| 18:58.19 | foxlit | hah. |
| 18:58.19 | jnwhiteh | krka: doesn't cost money to mule.. |
| 18:58.29 | foxlit | Oh wow, that was awesome |
| 18:58.33 | foxlit | The protoss took your natural |
| 18:58.47 | jnwhiteh | yep. |
| 18:59.10 | foxlit | So, eventually, you'll want to stop building marines, even if you started out trying to build a heckload of marines |
| 18:59.14 | krka | hmm doesn't it? |
| 18:59.22 | jnwhiteh | krka: no, takes mana, basically. |
| 18:59.27 | durcyn | krka: nah, just energy on the command center |
| 18:59.27 | krka | i only tried in single player but i think it cost.. right, maybe it was mana |
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| 18:59.37 | jnwhiteh | yeah, and that's replenished automatically =) |
| 18:59.39 | foxlit | Just energy. |
| 18:59.47 | syrae | I now interrupt your SC2 talk with a random picture from reddit... http://i.imgur.com/euAPO.jpg |
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| 19:00.12 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: my problem is i'm not very good at adjusting to whatever the player has in time to actually make a difference |
| 19:00.18 | jnwhiteh | but I suppose mid-game scouting can help in that regard |
| 19:00.55 | Skeen | Okay, I've got a question, if I include my lua files in the toc file, is there order of any interrest? |
| 19:01.08 | jnwhiteh | yes, they are loaded in that order |
| 19:01.09 | jnwhiteh | precisely |
| 19:01.21 | Skeen | crap |
| 19:01.26 | Skeen | thats why its buggy :) |
| 19:01.27 | Skeen | thanks |
| 19:01.35 | Lulia | alestane: Why would he tell me confidently when I went in that I'd have an interview before thursday and then say "We havent started interviews yet" |
| 19:01.36 | Maldivia | *smirk* http://blastr.com/assets_c/2010/10/dpnUG-thumb-250x274-50062.gif |
| 19:01.43 | Skeen | if I declare a local variable, is it local to that single lua file? |
| 19:01.46 | krka | yes |
| 19:01.53 | jnwhiteh | Skeen: or possibly less than the file |
| 19:01.54 | krka | only to the scope actually |
| 19:01.56 | Lulia | The difference is that I was in the store the first time. He wanted to say something which would make me leave and not feel bad. |
| 19:01.59 | krka | may be less... damn it |
| 19:02.05 | Skeen | outside of functions that is |
| 19:02.05 | Lulia | Only to give me the harsh truth later, that they don't want me. |
| 19:02.06 | jnwhiteh | a local variable is local to that scope.. which might be the file if its at the top level |
| 19:02.13 | Skeen | right |
| 19:02.18 | alestane | Because, one, he's probably struggling with his schedule going into the holidays, and two, they really have no need to bullshit you. |
| 19:02.22 | Skeen | thats why it doesnt work at all |
| 19:02.24 | Lulia | "We'll call you" is evasive. I've applied to probably 20 places now, all of them said "we'll call you" |
| 19:02.30 | Skeen | isn't there a C like #include in lua? |
| 19:02.33 | Lulia | And none of them have. |
| 19:02.51 | alestane | He could have just told you you didn't have the experience he was looking for or that he'd fill all of his positions. |
| 19:03.11 | alestane | There's no reason why it's better for him to string you along. |
| 19:03.14 | Lulia | I didn't have the experience he was looking for for a Sales Associate's position? |
| 19:03.31 | Lulia | I have a college degree, and I have to apply for min. wage positions because I dont have a car, so I'm stuck to something local |
| 19:03.40 | alestane | I don't know...but if he has a reason to not hire you, there's no real reason for him not to tell you that. |
| 19:03.48 | Lulia | These are all relatively skill-less positions I'm applying for :( |
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| 19:04.17 | krka | am i stupid or is the opengl api really unintuitive? |
| 19:04.23 | krka | (or both) |
| 19:04.25 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: do you have any sense from how I play whether I'd be better with another race? |
| 19:04.28 | Lulia | The loan people are wanting me to start paymentso n the college loans too, I thought I'd have a job by now. :-/ |
| 19:04.33 | Skeen | I think its intutive |
| 19:04.39 | alestane | Probably more the latter, krka, it's fairly optimized. |
| 19:04.41 | Cide | the d3d api isn't very intuitive either :/ |
| 19:05.01 | krka | "oh right, i need to prepend my code with these random 10 gl lines to make it work" |
| 19:05.19 | nevcairiel | its not random once you've done it a few times |
| 19:05.29 | Xuerian | It's voodoo |
| 19:05.31 | Cide | then it's consistently weird |
| 19:05.35 | nevcairiel | indeed! |
| 19:05.50 | Xuerian | Once you figure out the steps to the dance and which virgins to sacrifice in what order |
| 19:05.52 | Xuerian | You're ok |
| 19:06.37 | alestane | Holiday retail hiring typically takes place over a couple weeks, Lulia, and they generally end up trying to do all their interviewing before making any offers. |
| 19:07.08 | Lulia | Sucks, not sure what I'm going to do. Need a job now and I've fallen flat everywhere. |
| 19:07.14 | Lulia | If I had a car I'd have a job by now :( |
| 19:07.35 | Skeen | Get a bike :) |
| 19:07.52 | Xuerian | "I'm motivated, but not THAT motivated! D:" |
| 19:07.57 | Lulia | I meant that I know of places I could have worked had I had a car, they're not within biking distance. |
| 19:08.15 | Skeen | that depends on you definition of biking distance :) |
| 19:08.32 | Lulia | a 40 minute drive on the highway by car is not really what I want to bike to work |
| 19:08.33 | nevcairiel | I really like living in a big city with awesome public transportations :p |
| 19:08.44 | Skeen | okay point taken :P |
| 19:08.45 | Lulia | Would be nice, Nevcairiel. |
| 19:09.26 | Lulia | Right now, if a fast food place said they were hiring I'd apply, I'm that desperate. :-/ |
| 19:09.32 | Lulia | But I walked in and they didnt have applications |
| 19:09.41 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:10.06 | Lulia | Sucks. I've got loan people breathing down my neck to pay college loans, when going to college did squat for me atm |
| 19:10.13 | Lulia | I need to go to grad school, but I sort of need money to do that. |
| 19:10.58 | nevcairiel | Its also awesome when universitys don't cost an arm and a leg |
| 19:11.04 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: foxlit: do you have any sense from how I play whether I'd be better with another race? << Nah, terran is fine |
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| 19:12.23 | foxlit | I wouldn't want to spring Zerg's larvae management on anyone, and Protoss is... well, perhaps slightly more demanding. On the other hand, you get faster reinforcements with warpgates. |
| 19:13.03 | Lulia | nevcairiel: I actually ended up with less in loans than most |
| 19:13.14 | foxlit | You probably just need more experience to properly switch force composition, and tactically retreat from things you cannot win. |
| 19:13.24 | foxlit | Both will come with time. Build more workers, however. Very important. :) |
| 19:13.38 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Can has replay? |
| 19:13.51 | Ackis | http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/25/cf717065-06c7-48d3-a74e-e7fe4c1084af.jpg |
| 19:13.56 | DWSR | I started with Protoss. |
| 19:14.11 | DWSR | I don't know why. I feel that it's the slowest progressing race. |
| 19:14.14 | foxlit | I find protoss timing awkward |
| 19:14.21 | foxlit | It's that pylon at 9/10 probes. |
| 19:14.25 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 19:14.32 | DWSR | If you do it right, you have a /massive/ advantage. |
| 19:14.35 | foxlit | You either stop probe production, or you get supply-locked. |
| 19:14.46 | DWSR | You can actually have it where you get neither. |
| 19:14.48 | DWSR | I did it once. |
| 19:14.50 | DWSR | It was epic. |
| 19:15.13 | foxlit | I mean, the interrupt is like 10s at worst, but it still feels /wrong/. |
| 19:15.41 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 19:15.53 | DWSR | I like protoss because of the fact that you have warpgates and prisms. |
| 19:16.00 | foxlit | And then, because all your combat units cost 2+ psi, you end up having to build more pylons than you'd anticipate. |
| 19:16.27 | DWSR | Again, I like protoss because it seems like a 4 gate is balanced against just about everything. |
| 19:16.32 | DWSR | Except a 6 pool. |
| 19:16.55 | DWSR | Somehow I managed to zealot rush a zerg player the other day. |
| 19:16.59 | DWSR | I was like LOLWAT? |
| 19:17.11 | Lulia | DWSR |
| 19:17.15 | Lulia | Do you know how to 4-gate? |
| 19:17.23 | Lulia | You won't call Protoss slow if you know how to 4-gate |
| 19:17.23 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:17.29 | DWSR | Lulia: Slow is relative. |
| 19:17.32 | DWSR | Yeah I know how to 4 gate. |
| 19:17.42 | DWSR | The buildup seems slow. |
| 19:17.47 | jnwhiteh | gonna go try with some of that feedback. |
| 19:17.52 | Lulia | The build-up for all 4 races is slow in the beginning. |
| 19:17.58 | DWSR | The problem I'm having is balancing pure tech vs. units. |
| 19:18.06 | Lulia | You should be able to have 4-gates up by about the 6 min mark |
| 19:18.15 | DWSR | Yeah, that's not too hard. |
| 19:18.16 | Lulia | Which is just about as fast as any other race picks up speed |
| 19:18.37 | Lulia | Technically it's a little bit faster, depending on what they do. |
| 19:18.48 | alestane | Anyone have any experience hosting WC3 games on battle.net through a router? |
| 19:18.50 | DWSR | Lulia: I normally 4 gate robo. |
| 19:18.52 | Lulia | Of course you can also do variations which include tech builds, to say, 2-gate, robo, colossus |
| 19:18.57 | Lulia | If you're going robo |
| 19:19.03 | Lulia | Usually you go less gates |
| 19:19.08 | Lulia | And expand early |
| 19:19.11 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 19:19.17 | DWSR | I dunno why, but I'm stuck 4 gate robo. |
| 19:19.22 | Lulia | You do 2 gates, robo, and add a third one in later. |
| 19:19.27 | DWSR | My opener is always the same up to like 18 supply. |
| 19:19.44 | Lulia | My main issue is I have problems managing macro in the mid-to-late game |
| 19:19.56 | Lulia | So if it becomes a prolonged battle, I usually lose. |
| 19:20.03 | DWSR | lol, the other reason I like protoss. |
| 19:20.09 | DWSR | I can create my units right next to the battle. |
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| 19:20.17 | DWSR | whoops. |
| 19:20.25 | DWSR | Just drop a prism and start warping in stalkers. |
| 19:21.17 | Lulia | I love when I realize my opponent has no detection |
| 19:21.21 | Lulia | And I'm going templar route |
| 19:21.26 | Lulia | I just switch to Dark Templar |
| 19:21.31 | Lulia | Instead of High Templar |
| 19:21.38 | Lulia | It's fantastic. |
| 19:21.59 | LordAbyss | has blizzard added a decent function that allows you to get the spec of raid members recently? or do you have to go the whole inspect route |
| 19:22.12 | DWSR | No, I don't think so. |
| 19:22.20 | DWSR | I think someone built a library for it. |
| 19:22.29 | DWSR | You can, however, do role checks for raid now, which is utterly fantastic. |
| 19:22.32 | Lulia | I don't think Blizzard ever will, I'm pretty sure they're intent on forcing you to inspect someone. |
| 19:22.34 | Baps | there's a couple libs that will do it |
| 19:22.39 | Lulia | I noticed that, that was awesome |
| 19:22.41 | Lunessa | In 4.0.1 raid members can select a role, but that doesn't give you spec. |
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| 19:22.48 | Baps | and both rely on inspection range |
| 19:22.54 | Skeen | is there a way to break a lua file into multiple without breaking funtionality? |
| 19:22.56 | Baps | role is somewhat arbitrary |
| 19:23.03 | DWSR | Skeen: Sure. |
| 19:23.09 | Floo | http://paste.wowace.com/2702/ |
| 19:23.11 | DWSR | It's not a matter of copypasta. |
| 19:23.26 | Skeen | how is it done? |
| 19:23.26 | Floo | it still returns 0 cpu time ... why? |
| 19:23.29 | DWSR | Skeen: Since anything you made local will now not be visible to functions and such in the other files. |
| 19:23.32 | Floo | it works with memory usage |
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| 19:24.05 | Lulia | I loveh ow Moonfire is useless sub level 10 |
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| 19:24.17 | Floo | has anyone any idea? |
| 19:24.41 | DWSR | Skeen: It's pretty easy. Just move your code into the different files, making sure that you're not trying to reference local functions or variables that will be in other files. |
| 19:25.00 | Skeen | and if thats the case? - make it saved? |
| 19:25.38 | Baps | you can get a table that is passed to each file in a mod fairly easily |
| 19:25.43 | Baps | and store items in that table (or under that table) |
| 19:25.52 | Skeen | link link :) |
| 19:25.56 | Napoleone | yay KS for me ;P |
| 19:27.13 | Floo | can anyone help me? |
| 19:28.05 | alestane | gets Cairenn some breakfast. |
| 19:28.14 | durcyn | Floo: didn't we send you to read wikis yesterday? |
| 19:28.31 | Cairenn | alestane: have breakfast already! *lights a cig and has a mouthful of coca cola* |
| 19:28.35 | Floo | durcyn it works for memory usage ... but dont works for cpu usage |
| 19:28.56 | Maldivia | Floo: check your scriptProfile cvar |
| 19:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Carienn, that's not breakfast, that's dinner. Silly lady. :) |
| 19:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Breakfast is Count Chocula this time of year. |
| 19:29.49 | Jamash | yeah you do "nameOfAddon, addonPrivateTable = ..." at the top of each file |
| 19:30.33 | Floo | Maldivia what is name of MY scriptProfile? |
| 19:30.42 | Jamash | Lunessa: I like how a pure dps class can set a role, but it has to be DPS |
| 19:30.55 | Jamash | you can buy any color you want, as long as it's black |
| 19:30.58 | DWSR | WTB pure tank class. |
| 19:31.03 | Lunessa | Jamash: It's a handy feature. |
| 19:31.15 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: hehehe |
| 19:31.30 | Lunessa | uploads pancakes, back-bacon and fresh fruit for Cairenn. |
| 19:32.05 | Cairenn | purrs at Lunessa |
| 19:32.07 | Jamash | replaces the bacon with soy bacon |
| 19:32.29 | Floo | Maldivia "scriptProfile" is 0 ... too |
| 19:32.40 | Lopeppeppy | Smooth, Lunessa, very smooth. :) |
| 19:32.41 | Lunessa | murders Jamash for defiling the sacred bacon. |
| 19:32.53 | Cairenn | replaces Jamash with a smoking hole in the ground |
| 19:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | Soy ain't bacon. |
| 19:33.02 | Jamash | rises from the grave as a revenant |
| 19:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | And Cairenn ain't messing around, obviously. :) |
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| 19:37.40 | Floo | Maldivia are you here? |
| 19:38.05 | Skeen | I'm trying again, is there a C like #include in lua? |
| 19:38.41 | DWSR | Skeen: You don't need to include a file like that. |
| 19:38.43 | durcyn | not in wow's implementation, Skeen |
| 19:38.48 | DWSR | Skeen: Just list the new file in your TOC. |
| 19:39.55 | Jamash | there actually is but it's not used |
| 19:41.31 | jnwhiteh | well I'm doing better =) |
| 19:43.49 | Floo | CPUUsage is same for each computer or not? |
| 19:44.27 | Floo | (means the returned time ... is it lower for faster cpu?) |
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| 19:48.27 | Maldivia | Floo: for cpu profiling to be done, scriptProfile need to be enabled, and no, cpu-usage will vary depending on the cpu |
| 19:48.44 | Floo | ok I have it thanks |
| 19:49.02 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/tell_em_how_it_is_warcraft_pla.php |
| 19:50.05 | Lulia | What's the craziest thing you guys have done to make an addon? |
| 19:50.31 | Lulia | Right now I'm leveling a druid to 10 just to test the eclipse stuff I'm adding to my addon |
| 19:50.39 | Dagmar | mikma: Yeah we discussed how amazing it is that redshirt could prove himself the biggest nerd in the room at Blizzcon earlier |
| 19:51.02 | Maldivia | Lulia: to make or while making... ;P |
| 19:51.23 | Floo | Lulia creates 3 local tables that contains 10 000 000 entries |
| 19:51.24 | amro | Lulia: are you sure you want to hear the answers? |
| 19:51.25 | Lulia | Well, I'm just trying to stimulate conversation so either I suppose |
| 19:51.43 | Lulia | 3 local tables with 10 mil entries, Floo? |
| 19:51.46 | Lulia | Why the hell? :P |
| 19:52.07 | Floo | just testing how long my addon take to compare string with this |
| 19:52.16 | Floo | and ... no the tables have maximum entries |
| 19:52.45 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:52.51 | Lulia | Amro: Sure! |
| 19:52.55 | Lulia | It'll be fun |
| 19:52.56 | Dagmar | They should get Anne Robinson to come to those panels, and when someone asks a question about lore inconsistencies that stumps the panel, she could say "<Your name here>... You are the biggest nerd. Goodbye." |
| 19:53.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: Thank you |
| 19:53.56 | Lunessa | I would get thrown out of every BlizzCon to the sound of the "weakest link" music then... |
| 19:54.16 | Lunessa | I have a friend that calls me "Unklepedia" for WoW. |
| 19:56.12 | Jamash | Lulia: I created a character of every class and every race to find out what their starting weapons skills were |
| 19:56.26 | Maldivia | Lunessa: my nickname at my precious work place was google, because I apparently know the most obscure things :) |
| 19:56.42 | Jamash | fortunately that information is obsolete now |
| 19:57.04 | Lulia | :P |
| 19:57.09 | amro | back in the day, you had to sleep with certain people for API documentation |
| 19:57.09 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I used to joke that "I had a mind like a trash bin, full of obsolete and useless trivia." |
| 19:57.42 | Jamash | Lulia: You should have a level 10 character of every class anyway |
| 19:58.02 | Lulia | Only 10 slots to a server |
| 19:58.11 | Jamash | make 'em on different servers |
| 19:58.11 | amro | Jamash: good luck with a dk =) |
| 19:58.17 | Jamash | haw de haw haw |
| 19:58.45 | Jamash | you should have at least one character of every class that is at least level 10 |
| 19:58.46 | Lulia | pfft, I have a level 80 dk anyways |
| 19:59.05 | Lulia | One day I hope to have all of the classes at max level |
| 19:59.29 | amro | it's not that hard if you abuse rest xp |
| 19:59.45 | Baps | and/or heirlooms and/or recruit-a-friend |
| 19:59.50 | Jamash | take herbalism and skinning and abuse gathering xp |
| 19:59.55 | Jamash | I mean herbalism and mining |
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| 20:02.14 | jnwhiteh | bwahahaha |
| 20:02.18 | jnwhiteh | i've been dropped down to bronze |
| 20:02.18 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 20:02.21 | jnwhiteh | that's good for me tho |
| 20:02.25 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:02.27 | Fisker | not so hey Ackis |
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| 20:02.43 | jnwhiteh | went from 65 rank in silver to 25 rank in bronze |
| 20:03.03 | amro | jnwhiteh: 1. subscribe to day 9 2. ??? 3. win the GSL |
| 20:03.03 | Fisker | you're bronze? |
| 20:03.09 | Jamash | ^amro |
| 20:03.10 | Fisker | naw amro |
| 20:03.13 | Fisker | day 9 sucks |
| 20:03.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Thank you6 |
| 20:03.20 | DWSR | whoops. |
| 20:03.26 | Fisker | Jason Lee is a better SC2 person than Day 9 |
| 20:03.26 | DWSR | What Fisker said. He's not /that/ good. |
| 20:03.32 | DWSR | I'm not saying that I'm better, but he's not that create. |
| 20:03.35 | Jamash | fisker's jealous because day9 causes more internet drama than he does |
| 20:03.54 | Fisker | internet drama? |
| 20:03.56 | amro | DWSR: I was exaggerating, but yeah. if you're in bronze, day9 can help you lots |
| 20:04.08 | Jamash | I only watch funday monday |
| 20:04.20 | amro | funday monday is the best thing ever |
| 20:04.29 | Jamash | because honestly I'm never going to be good at multiplayer |
| 20:04.47 | amro | Jamash: silly reason, you should still aim to be as good as you can |
| 20:04.54 | amro | just for personal challenge |
| 20:04.57 | Jamash | I'd rather be as good as I can at computer programming |
| 20:04.58 | Fisker | Blizzard sucks at balancing the game anyway |
| 20:05.12 | amro | Jamash: which you can do, while playing sc2 in your spare time |
| 20:05.21 | amro | unless you don't have spare time |
| 20:05.26 | amro | in which case, :( x 10 |
| 20:05.33 | Jamash | I have nothing but spare time |
| 20:05.36 | Jamash | I'm unemployed |
| 20:05.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:05.55 | amro | don't you wish you spent your childhood playing broodwar so you could be winning the loots in sc2 now? :P |
| 20:05.59 | Jamash | nah |
| 20:06.09 | Jamash | my sister played the BW ladder a bit |
| 20:06.13 | Jamash | she got pretty good |
| 20:06.31 | Jamash | and then our modem would disconnect and I'd hear ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 20:07.31 | Jamash | my strategy is BW was: build two gateways, build some zealots, get rushed, lose |
| 20:08.00 | Fisker | my strategy is: Build 2 gateways in a peculiar position, get spotted, lose |
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| 20:08.14 | Jamash | Fisker: let's play SC2 sometime |
| 20:08.29 | Jamash | we can find out if it's possible for both of us to lose |
| 20:08.57 | Fisker | you're us anyway |
| 20:08.57 | TC-Work | the short answer is yes |
| 20:09.20 | Jamash | sadface |
| 20:09.31 | Jamash | they should put in a PBEM mode |
| 20:09.32 | TC-Work | lan game |
| 20:09.43 | TC-Work | oh...2...nvm |
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| 20:10.12 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/lyh7I.jpg <- |
| 20:10.16 | Fisker | tried proxying there |
| 20:10.19 | Fisker | still got spotted :o |
| 20:10.32 | TC-Work | vpn? |
| 20:10.45 | Fisker | yeah i used a vpn |
| 20:10.49 | Fisker | then he zergling rushed me |
| 20:10.58 | Fisker | did once do a successful cannon rush there though |
| 20:11.15 | Fisker | but basically he countered with zerglings and tore down my base |
| 20:11.42 | Jamash | my strat in SC2 is to build nothing but units with beam weapons |
| 20:11.43 | Fisker | and i think he got some drones away so he could apparently proxymine and kill me off eventually |
| 20:11.44 | Fisker | jerk |
| 20:11.45 | Fisker | :( |
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| 20:14.37 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: <3 |
| 20:14.45 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: <3 |
| 20:14.46 | Cairenn | hi |
| 20:14.53 | |Jelly| | Hi |
| 20:15.47 | |Jelly| | Sorry, I just got word that Lunessa passed along my little .. message :P |
| 20:15.52 | TC-Work | |Jelly|! |
| 20:16.03 | |Jelly| | ThunderChild! |
| 20:16.45 | Napoleone | you guys know how to get guild reputation? |
| 20:16.53 | durcyn | you don't until 4.0.3. |
| 20:17.06 | Napoleone | but how? |
| 20:17.12 | Napoleone | still didnt answer my question |
| 20:17.19 | durcyn | when said patch drops, it's gained when you do normal quests and such, as well as big chunks of it via guild achievements |
| 20:17.22 | TC-Work | do quests, rated bgs, wtc. |
| 20:17.29 | TC-Work | etc* |
| 20:17.30 | Napoleone | kewl |
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| 20:18.43 | Lulia | I wish WoW quest lines had a bit more in lieu of options. I dislike how it's most efficient to stupidly accept the Satyr's quest in the NE Starting zone, when a NE should just ignore him or report him to the authorities instead |
| 20:18.44 | Jamash | where's a good place to test addons on a pvp server? preferably not too spammy and no ganking |
| 20:18.58 | Lulia | Would be neat if you could instead refuse his offer and get a new quest chain because of it |
| 20:19.09 | alestane | Understandable, Lulia, but very challenging to implement. |
| 20:19.10 | TC-Work | Jamash: which side? |
| 20:19.14 | Jamash | horde |
| 20:19.20 | Lulia | Definitely, alestane |
| 20:19.30 | TC-Work | Jamash: BE capital? |
| 20:19.31 | Lulia | And Blizz's focus is more on end-game than leveling content, which makes sense. |
| 20:19.51 | Jamash | hmm, could be |
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| 20:19.52 | alestane | Has anyone figured out where the sobbing is coming from in Silvermoon? |
| 20:19.55 | Lulia | Would be neat if they invested more in the leveling quest chains though, without taking away from end-game, but it costs more money |
| 20:20.01 | Lulia | The bane of this world, money |
| 20:20.02 | Lulia | bah |
| 20:20.08 | TC-Work | alestane: broken CM's |
| 20:20.48 | alestane | And more money alone does not solve such problems, Lulia. It adds complexity to the whole process and makes it hugely harder for people whose job it is to manage consistency and balance. |
| 20:21.08 | alestane | Community managers, ThunderChild? |
| 20:21.15 | Lulia | True, but when Blizzard rejects ideas such as that it's because of the money investment |
| 20:21.24 | alestane | Again, NO. |
| 20:21.38 | TC-Work | alestane: yes |
| 20:21.59 | alestane | It's because making their job harder also makes it more likely that they will screw something up. |
| 20:21.59 | Fisker | i got cold feet alestane |
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| 20:22.36 | Lulia | That's true, but the more people they have the better equipped they are to deal with such problems. |
| 20:22.39 | alestane | I know several of these people. I have interviewed there. They are not afraid of trying to make things awesome. |
| 20:22.46 | alestane | And adding people is frequently not a solution. |
| 20:22.49 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:22.51 | Fisker | i got cold feet |
| 20:23.07 | TC-Work | Lulia: if they had infinite money they couldnt do it. or else the wouldrelease crap, if anything at all |
| 20:23.13 | TC-Work | look at MS as an example |
| 20:23.16 | alestane | Adding people also increases the likelihood that things will fall through the cracks or get messed up. |
| 20:23.25 | TC-Work | they would release* |
| 20:23.25 | Xyphoid | you do have the option right now of deciding not to do that quest |
| 20:23.37 | alestane | See the earlier comment about nine women producing a baby in one month. |
| 20:23.48 | Lulia | Well, that option, Xyphoid, lessens my potential to gain xp as quickly |
| 20:23.52 | Xyphoid | are you sure? |
| 20:23.53 | Fisker | TC-Work my cold are feet |
| 20:23.57 | Lulia | Since it leads to multiple other quests that I can't do if I don't do it. |
| 20:24.02 | Lulia | Yes, Xyphoid |
| 20:24.03 | TC-Work | Fisker: why? |
| 20:24.06 | Xyphoid | you could just carry on to town and do other quests |
| 20:24.13 | Fisker | i don't know TC-Work |
| 20:24.22 | Fisker | i'm not even sure how cold can be feet |
| 20:24.24 | Lulia | Yes, but I am thusly minus one quest, Xyphoid |
| 20:24.26 | TC-Work | Fisker: stick your cold into something warm |
| 20:24.34 | alestane | It just doesn't work like that. The text I used for my course in Managing Game Development had a whole section entitled, "No, more people really won't make it go faster." |
| 20:24.41 | Lulia | If I do the quest and then head to town, I'm ahead of if I skipped the quest and went to town |
| 20:24.54 | Lulia | I didn't say more people would make it go faster :P |
| 20:25.03 | Lulia | Just that they'd have the resources to do more things. |
| 20:25.12 | TC-Work | yes said better, wich is just as wrong |
| 20:25.18 | TC-Work | you* |
| 20:25.28 | TC-Work | i have got to stop typing today |
| 20:25.41 | Jamash | alestane: are you talking about the leper gnome slaves? |
| 20:25.48 | Lulia | There's a reason they don't have one coder |
| 20:26.07 | Lulia | It's because having a team is beneficial, but only if it's balanced around a proper work-load for all of them embers of the team. |
| 20:26.40 | alestane | We keep hearing sobbing in Silvermoon, Jamash, and neither my wife nor out friend has found a source. |
| 20:26.50 | alestane | our* |
| 20:26.57 | Jamash | does it sound like a male gnome? |
| 20:27.03 | alestane | It does at that. |
| 20:27.17 | durcyn | it's to remind you that being an elf is a travesty |
| 20:27.17 | Xyphoid | is it the slaves in the mill? |
| 20:27.23 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Need more liquor. |
| 20:27.24 | Xyphoid | there is a sweatshop under the tailoring trainers |
| 20:27.47 | alestane | I think they said it was in the southwest, near the tailoring trainers, so that's very likely. |
| 20:28.26 | Fisker | are you my nemesis TC-Work ? |
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| 20:29.08 | cbreak | I want to /cast a spell by it's ID. is that possible? |
| 20:29.24 | alestane | In a secure action button, yes. |
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| 20:30.08 | Lulia | On the upside, I'm excited to see what they're adding to 1-60 questing in Cata |
| 20:30.32 | alestane | It's pretty awesome. |
| 20:30.40 | cbreak | what do they add? |
| 20:30.40 | alestane | I LOVE the new tirisfal experience. |
| 20:30.43 | cbreak | GPS? |
| 20:30.46 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i did post a link in here quite a qhile ago about liquer places that deliver |
| 20:30.50 | cbreak | a guide that follows you around? |
| 20:30.52 | TC-Work | Fisker: hardly, i like you |
| 20:31.08 | cbreak | or maybe a big red arrow that points out of the sky right to the heads of your enemies? |
| 20:31.21 | alestane | Jamash, we haven't checked it, but my wife's first response to that info is "Those catty bitches would never allow leper gnomes in their city." |
| 20:31.42 | Jamash | what Xyphoid said, there's a succubus under the tailoring trainer forcing leper gnomes to work on looms |
| 20:32.06 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Woot |
| 20:32.34 | TC-Work | Lunessa: you going to go for it? |
| 20:32.41 | Jamash | I used to visit that place a lot when I was working on my silvermoon rep (pre-ToC) |
| 20:32.44 | Lulia | I like how there's trees growing on a tree |
| 20:32.46 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I has a flask. |
| 20:32.59 | TC-Work | Lunessa: Flask Up :p |
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| 20:33.23 | Fisker | wtf TC-Work |
| 20:33.25 | Fisker | you vanquished me |
| 20:33.36 | TC-Work | Fisker: lay off the drugs |
| 20:33.38 | TC-Work | or share them |
| 20:38.43 | Antiarc | syrae: Neat, would love to see what you did with the sig generator |
| 20:39.35 | syrae | Antiarc: ah... nothing big. Just added recognition for specs and fixed a few weird things. No one on my forums really use it any more. |
| 20:39.45 | syrae | I haven't touched it in a few years |
| 20:40.01 | Antiarc | I wrote it when the Armory was first launched then didn't do anything with it at all :D |
| 20:40.02 | syrae | 'course... the spec stuff is probably horribly broken now |
| 20:40.10 | Antiarc | So it's terrible horrible code that I'm terribly ashamed of |
| 20:40.23 | syrae | Antiarc: yarp. It worked well for what I wanted at the time. |
| 20:40.44 | syrae | And now it looks like 1/2 the sig gens are rip offs of the style or code :P |
| 20:42.46 | Antiarc | Yeah, most of them spawned off of the original code |
| 20:43.12 | Antiarc | it was the first armory-related app ever, to the best of my knowledge, and I open sourced it quite early on |
| 20:45.09 | nicoli_s | man it feels good to track down a tricky bug |
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| 20:46.44 | zenzelezz | "I think we could do a lot more with the Auction House UI. I think our mobile and cell phone Auction House is probably superior to our in-game version at this point" - heh |
| 20:47.00 | cbreak | more expensive too... |
| 20:47.55 | batrick | they need to implement that max bid stuff |
| 20:47.56 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 20:48.00 | batrick | forget what they call it |
| 20:48.04 | Fisker | i think they removed the login restriction on remote auction house |
| 20:48.04 | durcyn | zenzelezz: buy orders please |
| 20:48.09 | Dagmar | proxy bids? |
| 20:48.14 | batrick | ya |
| 20:48.14 | Skeen | they just need to revamp it into eve onlines market system :) |
| 20:48.20 | Skeen | but thats just my opionion |
| 20:48.36 | Dagmar | Skeen: Yeah that's all we need, an easier mechanism for gold farmers to drain economies |
| 20:48.58 | Skeen | Excatly :) |
| 20:49.09 | Antiarc | You underestimate just how easy it is to manipulate the AH already :P |
| 20:49.19 | Dagmar | I know exactly how easy it is |
| 20:49.35 | Dagmar | That doesn't mean it should be _easier_ for people to do things that will be detrimental to the game |
| 20:49.47 | Dagmar | ...especially with the IRL profit motivation. |
| 20:50.29 | durcyn | how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? he's not proposing a PLEX equivalent |
| 20:50.34 | Fisker | anyway Antiarc noticed that or did mine just bug up? :O |
| 20:50.52 | Antiarc | I've not done anything with it for a while yet |
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| 20:51.11 | Jamash | I would love to see a PLEX equivalent |
| 20:51.12 | durcyn | the simple addition of buy orders, eve-styled or not, wouldn't break much |
| 20:51.36 | Skeen | I'm more interrested in sell orders tbh :) |
| 20:51.58 | durcyn | that's all you have right now, the only difference is you can't buy part of a stack? |
| 20:52.11 | Skeen | and that it only lasts for 10minuts |
| 20:52.22 | Dagmar | Skeen: Yeah I do thikn being able to go to the AH and say "I want to buy something that's not currently listed" would be pretty win |
| 20:52.41 | Jamash | what only lasts 10 minutes? |
| 20:52.51 | cbreak | buy orders? :) |
| 20:52.54 | Skeen | auctions :) - okay 48 ours or so |
| 20:53.07 | cbreak | sounds interesting |
| 20:53.10 | Skeen | 96? |
| 20:53.16 | Skeen | not very long atleast |
| 20:53.18 | cbreak | would save a lot of time when sniping |
| 20:53.18 | Jamash | lua>48*60/10 |
| 20:53.18 | lua_bot | Jamash: 288 |
| 20:53.28 | Jamash | that's a sizeable error value |
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| 20:53.39 | Ackis | Today, my dad asked me for a word that rhymes with vagina. He was filling out an anniversary card for my mom. FML |
| 20:53.49 | foxlit | "Dagmar: proxy bids?" << problematic with buyouts |
| 20:53.56 | Xyphoid | north carolina, right |
| 20:53.58 | durcyn | did you play him the bloodhound gang track, Ackis? |
| 20:54.07 | Jamash | not really, just specify that the proxy bid has to be less than the buyout |
| 20:54.12 | Ackis | durcyn: it's from fml not me |
| 20:54.20 | Fisker | nethaera Ackis |
| 20:54.27 | durcyn | Ackis: totally contrived then |
| 20:54.55 | durcyn | those sites always end up getting spammed with fake submissions from people who have no future in comedy writing |
| 20:55.06 | foxlit | Jamash: "but I want to get the item for less"! |
| 20:55.23 | Fisker | i think it's all real durcyn |
| 20:55.36 | nicoli_s | Ackis:resign-a |
| 20:55.44 | Jamash | foxlit: I don't get it. |
| 20:56.01 | foxlit | Why can't I proxy-bid at the buyout price? |
| 20:56.16 | Jamash | go for it |
| 20:56.24 | foxlit | But then someone buys the item out |
| 20:56.27 | Jamash | or one copper less, I don't care |
| 20:56.27 | foxlit | Who wins? :) |
| 20:56.33 | Jamash | the guy who bought it out |
| 20:56.39 | foxlit | But proxy bid! |
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| 20:56.42 | Jamash | that's how it already works |
| 20:57.08 | Jamash | unless your proxy bid is more than the buyout then the guy who bought it out offered more, and therefore wins |
| 20:57.16 | Nechckn | He who ponies up the hard currency, wins. |
| 20:57.20 | Jamash | ^ |
| 20:57.31 | Nechckn | or she.... ;-) |
| 20:57.31 | foxlit | Jamash: can't have the cake and eat it too |
| 20:57.40 | Xyphoid | how many wow auctions have more than one bid on them |
| 20:57.42 | foxlit | You either allow me to place proxy bids >= buyout price |
| 20:57.46 | Dagmar | Your proxy bid shoudln't be able to exceed the buyout value. That's just madness |
| 20:57.47 | Xyphoid | i was under the impression it was very small |
| 20:57.56 | cbreak | each auction has only one bid on them, or none |
| 20:57.59 | Xyphoid | compared to buyout-ing |
| 20:58.02 | cbreak | because only the highest bid exists |
| 20:58.09 | Jamash | foxlit: troll harder |
| 20:58.11 | foxlit | In which case, you run into problems with who wins during buyouts, or you don't, in which case I'm unhappy that I can't proxy-bid at buyout prices. |
| 20:58.27 | Skeen | if the proxy bid is above the buyout it should just bid till bo and then bo when it has to raise the next time, eh? |
| 20:58.27 | foxlit | Sort of like "If someone hits buyout, okay, I'll pay the buyout price" |
| 20:58.32 | Jamash | proxy for one copper less |
| 20:58.57 | foxlit | Annoying artifical limitation. |
| 20:59.00 | Jamash | I fail to understand the problem |
| 20:59.17 | foxlit | The problem is that you can't design an auction mechanism that'd solve both problems at once. |
| 20:59.27 | cbreak | a buyout has to overrule any proxy bid |
| 20:59.27 | foxlit | You can fail to solve one of them by design, but meh, that's shitty design. |
| 20:59.31 | Jamash | there is no "both problems" |
| 20:59.32 | Dagmar | Skeen: That's pretty much why proxy bids and buyouts are seldom in the same place |
| 20:59.32 | Xyphoid | proxy buyouts would be incredibly annoying |
| 20:59.38 | Jamash | what you're describing is not a problem |
| 20:59.41 | cbreak | because it is designed to ignore bids |
| 20:59.52 | Dagmar | Skeen: If you were willing to pay the buyout value, the system should just go ahead and do that |
| 20:59.52 | Xyphoid | 'ooh, a nice flask' *buy* 'sorry someone else proxied it' |
| 20:59.58 | Jamash | ^ |
| 21:00.10 | Skeen | well what it should do is just bid it up till it reaches that eh? |
| 21:00.22 | Dagmar | No need to bid it up. At that point it's a straight puchase. |
| 21:00.25 | Dagmar | er purchase |
| 21:00.35 | Jamash | someone who clicks "buyout" always gets the item, that is by design |
| 21:00.37 | Skeen | well, yea, so? |
| 21:00.44 | foxlit | Jamash: so, my summary holds. |
| 21:00.50 | cbreak | or think about it a bit differently: your proxy bid becomes invalid because the item was already sold :) |
| 21:00.53 | Xyphoid | yeah, go ahead and proxy higher than the buyout, and if someone clicks buyout they get it |
| 21:00.58 | Xyphoid | buyout is nothing to do with bids |
| 21:00.58 | Skeen | if your having a buy order, and somebody wants to sell, then you get it eh? |
| 21:01.00 | Jamash | foxlit: You're describing intended behavior as a problem |
| 21:01.01 | foxlit | You solve one issue, do not attempt the other. |
| 21:01.05 | Jamash | It's not a problem |
| 21:01.18 | Jamash | it's you being difficult |
| 21:01.21 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Thatt's not the way proxy bids are supposed to work tho |
| 21:01.32 | cbreak | of course it is |
| 21:01.33 | foxlit | Heh, sides of the same coin. |
| 21:01.42 | Jamash | foxlit: PEBKAC |
| 21:01.43 | cbreak | automatically outbid |
| 21:01.50 | Xyphoid | it depends on whether you think of buyout as the max bid, or a separate buy option |
| 21:01.55 | cbreak | if it's sold, nothing to outbid |
| 21:02.10 | TC-Work | Jamash: thats creepy, i was just explaning that concept to a CEO |
| 21:02.13 | foxlit | The point, really, is "I'm prepared to pay up to X" |
| 21:02.14 | Computerpunk | Is there any AddOn on which you put yourself a target: X Gold, X Emblems, X Honor Points / day. And keeps statistics? |
| 21:02.30 | Jamash | TC-Work: which concept? |
| 21:02.34 | foxlit | So, really, unless someone offers "X+1", item should be *mine*. |
| 21:02.35 | Dagmar | Yeah, and if you're prepared to pay the buyout value, that should just go ahead an happen instead of screwing around. |
| 21:02.36 | cbreak | foxlit: you're not the only one :) the guy who bought the item out was prepared too |
| 21:02.46 | cbreak | and he paid first |
| 21:02.48 | cbreak | so it's his |
| 21:03.04 | Cide | can't list an item as available for purchase at a specific price and when you purchase it the game goes "nuh-uh!" |
| 21:03.05 | Xyphoid | if it's a separate buy option you a: don't get edge cases with proxies and b: it's clearly dumb to proxy over the buyout so you can prevent it in the UI |
| 21:03.39 | foxlit | "clearly dumb to proxy over the buyout" << only if buyout overrules proxies. |
| 21:03.46 | cbreak | of course it does |
| 21:03.46 | Cide | and it should |
| 21:03.47 | Xyphoid | well, that's what i mean by 'a separate buy option' |
| 21:03.53 | Jamash | foxlit: You want to be able to game the system; the system is designed so you can't game it in that way; qq harder |
| 21:04.09 | Cide | if you're prepared to purchase the item at the buyout price by your standards |
| 21:04.31 | foxlit | Jamash: As you've already said, I'm just being difficult. My personal nonexistent relationship with the AH does not play into this :) |
| 21:04.32 | Cide | then do it |
| 21:04.45 | Jamash | fine then |
| 21:04.50 | foxlit | Cide: kinda breaks the point of proxy bids, though |
| 21:04.58 | foxlit | If you're prepared to bid up to X, just bid X already. |
| 21:05.00 | cbreak | proxy bids are completely irelevant until the auction timer runs out |
| 21:05.02 | Xyphoid | i just think that the case where clicking buyout sells the item to someone else is so clearly dumb that avoiding that should be a prime goal |
| 21:05.08 | cbreak | they don't even have to be looked at by the system until then |
| 21:05.11 | Cide | foxlit: no, because then you don't pay more if nobody else is interested |
| 21:05.19 | Cide | if someone buys out then someone else is clearly interested |
| 21:05.23 | Lunessa | I think the thing is - Blizzard doesn't really want things to become a point where the auction house is just a bunch of software bidding/out-bidding, undercutting and sniping each other. |
| 21:05.28 | cbreak | and clearly, if someone buys out the item, there's no timer running out |
| 21:05.31 | Jamash | it nearly is already |
| 21:05.47 | Xyphoid | depends on your proxy implementation - some cases when i proxy $5 and you bid $2 you'll immediately be told you were outbid |
| 21:06.04 | Lunessa | Yeah, Jamash. And I bet you they're going to overhaul it again in the not too distant future. |
| 21:06.14 | foxlit | Cide: I fail to see how the same option doesn't apply to proxying over buyout -- unless there's this (artificial) notion that buyout overrules proxy bids. |
| 21:06.28 | Jamash | as on ebay, the minimum proxy bid allowed by the UI is 1 unit higher than the current highest proxy bid |
| 21:06.33 | cbreak | which artificial notion? |
| 21:06.44 | cbreak | as I said, what worth is your proxy bid if the item is sold? :) |
| 21:06.45 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Proxy bidding would eliminate external software agents doing it, but it would definitely raise the computational and storage loads for the AH itself |
| 21:06.50 | Cide | foxlit: it has to, otherwise you would have an item listed as "buy this now!" and when you do it goes "nope, sorry bro!" |
| 21:06.55 | cbreak | that's as natural as "I give you my cow for your daughter" |
| 21:06.55 | Cide | and that's terrible user interface design |
| 21:07.02 | foxlit | cbreak: if you're prepared to pay more than the buyout, presumably the seller would be happier to sell to *you*? |
| 21:07.09 | cbreak | nope |
| 21:07.12 | Skeen | I really think they should just make a market like in eve instead of a auction house, really who bids on stuff on wow? - wild guess people prefer to buyout |
| 21:07.16 | cbreak | he clearly wants to sell NOW |
| 21:07.21 | cbreak | that's why he put in a buyout |
| 21:07.22 | Dagmar | Skeen: That |
| 21:07.26 | Jamash | foxlit wants to ensure that he always will get an item without paying full price for it |
| 21:07.28 | Dagmar | Skeen: That's because sellers are lazy gits |
| 21:07.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: You might be happier with a buy order. |
| 21:07.41 | Jamash | which is not how auctions work |
| 21:08.13 | foxlit | That's backwards, sorry. |
| 21:08.13 | Xyphoid | most wow auctions are for commodities |
| 21:08.14 | Skeen | I'm just thinking, like I havn't bidded on an auction for ages :) |
| 21:08.19 | Dagmar | Skeen: Last time I crunched numbers, well over 95% of the auctions had their minimum bid within 10% of the buyout price |
| 21:08.35 | foxlit | It's the buyout option that's throwing off how auctions work -- otherwise, the item would go to the person who is prepared to pay more for it |
| 21:08.37 | Cide | that's because bids are stupid |
| 21:08.46 | Cide | if I could only set the buyout I would |
| 21:08.54 | Dagmar | Nah, bids themselves are fine |
| 21:09.00 | Cide | not to me |
| 21:09.02 | Dagmar | You can set the min bid and the buyout to the same value |
| 21:09.11 | foxlit | Cide: yes, the "Oh sorry!" UI would totally suck, and it's reason enough to break that. |
| 21:09.18 | cbreak | foxlit: not really, it would go to the person who had the highest bid _at the time the auction expired_ |
| 21:09.18 | Dagmar | For the vast majority of the auctions listed, they might as well be the same figure |
| 21:09.40 | Skeen | go blind bidding >.< yay! |
| 21:09.45 | cbreak | and with a buyout option, the auction expires NOW |
| 21:09.47 | Xyphoid | bidding only really makes sense when there is only one of item X up |
| 21:09.53 | cbreak | so the person who buys out obviously wins |
| 21:10.45 | foxlit | Meh, I'm thinking of english auctions. |
| 21:11.09 | cbreak | tea auctions? |
| 21:11.21 | foxlit | Bunch of people in a row, upward public bids. |
| 21:11.24 | foxlit | s/row/room/ |
| 21:11.41 | cbreak | how is the end time determined? |
| 21:11.50 | foxlit | When nobody places a bid within a time interval. |
| 21:11.51 | Skeen | I'm gonna set a clock |
| 21:12.01 | Skeen | with a time noone but me knows :) |
| 21:12.04 | foxlit | "so the person who buys out obviously wins" << This isn't *necessary* |
| 21:12.13 | TC-Work | Jamash: PEBKAC |
| 21:12.22 | Jamash | TC-Work: ah |
| 21:12.25 | cbreak | the guy who bribes the auctioneer to end it now wins. |
| 21:12.34 | Skeen | (I win) |
| 21:12.39 | foxlit | You could just as easily to require everyone to submit a sealed envelope with their bid. If we ever get into the buyout situation, we terminate bidding, open all the envolopes, and the one with the highest number wins, and pays that much. |
| 21:13.11 | Jamash | foxlit: if blizzard implemented such a system, nobody would use it |
| 21:13.15 | foxlit | The unfortunate side effect, as people have pointed out, is "Oh, you want to buyout? Tough luck!" |
| 21:13.18 | cbreak | secret bidding... hmm. |
| 21:13.59 | Xyphoid | 95% of auctions are commodities that are up in bulk and aren't individually bidded on in a competitive way |
| 21:14.15 | Xyphoid | nobody's in a bidding war over primal fire #12884 |
| 21:14.21 | Dagmar | Of course if there were proxy bidding, the amount of shilling going on would proabbly skyrocket |
| 21:14.30 | cbreak | I am. Because someone put it on for 1 silver. |
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| 21:15.56 | cbreak | maybe a downwards auction would be better for most items in WoW |
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| 21:15.58 | Xyphoid | the best thing about buy orders is that it'd reduce the tool-assisted automatic undercutting |
| 21:16.02 | cbreak | you set up a max and minimal value |
| 21:16.10 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: IF buyouts and bids weren't so ludicrously near each other, I would still be bidding on things like that, yes |
| 21:16.21 | cbreak | and the buyout drops continuously between the start and end time |
| 21:16.23 | Xyphoid | which is a natural reaction to the commodity nature of the market |
| 21:16.26 | Dagmar | I used to do that all the time when there was still generally a 25-30% spread |
| 21:16.36 | Dagmar | ...but 5% difference? Doesn't even matter |
| 21:16.37 | Jamash | I'd much rather have a buy order and sell order system than what we currently have |
| 21:17.11 | foxlit | Another consideration is that making the AH more powerful will just kill normal Trade |
| 21:17.14 | Skeen | Jamash: agreed |
| 21:17.16 | Jamash | good |
| 21:17.22 | Jamash | trade should die |
| 21:17.27 | Dagmar | foxlit: Can we just kill trade trolls instead? |
| 21:17.28 | Skeen | trade wont die |
| 21:17.32 | Dagmar | ...and I don't mean that figuratively. |
| 21:17.32 | Skeen | its for finding grps |
| 21:17.37 | cbreak | normal trade? |
| 21:17.37 | Skeen | dont you know, or buying grps >.< |
| 21:17.44 | cbreak | you mean the spam channel? |
| 21:17.52 | foxlit | Dagmar: that would be best, but I doubt we'd make any progress. |
| 21:17.54 | Jamash | get rid of trade chat and replace it with a real LFG system |
| 21:17.55 | Skeen | isn't that the same? |
| 21:18.06 | Dagmar | foxlit: Im willing to volunteer many man-hours to at least try |
| 21:18.20 | Skeen | Jamash: Well the problem is people will uncheck that, and noone will want the spam |
| 21:18.21 | Xyphoid | interestingly trade is where you see buy orders |
| 21:18.21 | Dagmar | Just gimme a list of names and addresses and a licence to vivisect people in their front yards. |
| 21:18.35 | foxlit | Dagmar: make an addon that tracks trade-chat stupidity and insta-kicks those people from your groups? |
| 21:18.51 | Dagmar | foxlit: I just put people on ignore. It tends to have the same effect. |
| 21:18.57 | Jamash | Xyphoid: That's because buy orders don't exist as a formal system, and so trade is the only place for them |
| 21:19.04 | foxlit | Finite list, unfortunately :( |
| 21:19.05 | Xyphoid | there are usually a few people doing the 'buying X,Y,Z for 10g' at below current AH cost - that's quite useful from a liquidity point of view |
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| 21:19.23 | Dagmar | foxlit: InfiniteIgnore, and I'm not hesitant to report spamming for what it is |
| 21:19.33 | Jamash | Skeen: I didn't say a trade channel, I said a real LFG system |
| 21:19.36 | Skeen | Dagmar: theres a limit to the ignore list, and I'll reach that limit within 10mins |
| 21:19.39 | Dagmar | ...although the throttling finally killed most of that crap |
| 21:19.52 | Dagmar | Skeen: Again, InfiniteIgnore addon |
| 21:19.54 | Jamash | s/trade channel/lfg channel/ |
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| 21:19.59 | Dagmar | I have >300 people on my server ignored |
| 21:20.03 | foxlit | Dagmar: does not go far enough :) |
| 21:20.04 | Xyphoid | kicking people from groups for trade spamming won't do much - it's like waiting an hour to discipline your puppy |
| 21:20.15 | Dagmar | I use the word "people" very loosely |
| 21:20.16 | Xyphoid | no connection from offense to punishment |
| 21:21.03 | foxlit | Xyphoid: Luckily, people are not puppies -- can easily do a few "/w You said in trade 42 days ago: [stuff]. Goodbye!" |
| 21:21.06 | Jamash | A real LFG system would let me tick a checkbox in my quest log and immediately find everyone else who's interested in grouping for that quest |
| 21:21.09 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: It keeps me from having to see that the lame ass going on about anal this and arms was "NERFD TO TH FLOOR LAWL" really are completely incompetent at the game |
| 21:21.27 | Jamash | same for dungeons and battlegrounds / wintergrasp |
| 21:21.28 | kd3|netbook | jamash; that's the one thing I do not like about the new LFD |
| 21:21.29 | Xyphoid | Jamash: we had that for most of BC didn't we? |
| 21:21.33 | Dagmar | About a dozen times now I've wound up with someone in my ignore in an LFD group. |
| 21:21.36 | kd3|netbook | up until 3.3 |
| 21:21.45 | Dagmar | Either they go, or the group has to kick me. |
| 21:21.47 | Xyphoid | did you ever find anyone looking for a group quest using that? |
| 21:21.47 | Cide | and it was worthless |
| 21:21.48 | foxlit | People really didn't use quest grouping on my server. |
| 21:21.51 | foxlit | General was faster |
| 21:21.59 | foxlit | /1 Anyone up for [Stuff]? |
| 21:21.59 | Jamash | no, because it wasn't integrated into the quest log |
| 21:22.10 | Jamash | you had to go into a special window that was inconvenient to use |
| 21:22.22 | foxlit | You speak as if people use the quest log. |
| 21:22.22 | Cide | and because the quests are easy |
| 21:22.22 | Jamash | I'm talking about having a big "GROUP ME" button in the quest log itself |
| 21:22.32 | Jamash | fine, put it on the quest tracker |
| 21:22.34 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: I found people. they needed to let people have the ability to flag up for all their quests, rathr than just one |
| 21:22.50 | Cide | why would you do that... |
| 21:22.51 | Jamash | there are 5-man quests in icecrown I've had in my log for months |
| 21:22.52 | Dagmar | it just took a long bloody time unless you were looking for a daily |
| 21:22.55 | Cide | just /1 anyone want to group? |
| 21:23.10 | Jamash | Cide: no answer |
| 21:23.18 | Cide | then the answer is no? |
| 21:23.23 | foxlit | Then you won't have any luck with your quest log button either |
| 21:23.27 | Jamash | wrong |
| 21:23.28 | Skeen | Cide: didn't see you message, as channel is disabled |
| 21:23.29 | Dagmar | [General] Istabudie: group wat? |
| 21:23.45 | Ackis | apparently my fiancee uses FML: Today, my boyfriend said he wants a Hello Kitty wedding. FML |
| 21:23.47 | Cide | and you want him to join you with an automatic tool? |
| 21:24.07 | Jamash | there might be people in a different zone who are willing to do the quest |
| 21:24.16 | Dagmar | yep |
| 21:24.17 | Cide | who DOESN'T want to have a Hello Kitty wedding? |
| 21:24.27 | Dagmar | Cide: Straight men |
| 21:24.28 | Skeen | I can agree with that, and the fact I dont have to be actively searching myself |
| 21:24.32 | Cide | insecure men* |
| 21:24.39 | Dagmar | Caucasian men |
| 21:24.46 | Cide | I'm both caucasian and straight |
| 21:24.46 | Skeen | Developers |
| 21:24.49 | Cide | are you insecure? |
| 21:24.51 | Ackis | Cide: lies |
| 21:25.04 | Dagmar | Cide: No, I just have a sense of the appropriate |
| 21:25.09 | Jamash | basically you'd click "looking for group quests", and you'd get a list of people who have one or more group quests in common with you |
| 21:25.10 | Cide | how is it inappropriate? |
| 21:25.13 | Cide | you're just insecure |
| 21:25.21 | Dagmar | Hello Kitty is for little girls. |
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| 21:25.30 | Cide | if you're not secure in your manliness, sure |
| 21:25.36 | Cide | boys can play with dolls too |
| 21:25.37 | Jamash | Dagmar isn't secure in his manliness. |
| 21:25.40 | Dagmar | I drive a scooter. |
| 21:25.46 | alestane | Once upon a time I thought it was a good idea to make "secure" a highlight word. |
| 21:25.47 | Dagmar | Being comfortable with having a large dick is mandatory.\ |
| 21:25.48 | Cide | I drive a fucking plane |
| 21:25.57 | Jamash | does it have flames on the side? |
| 21:25.59 | nicoli_s | http://jalopnik.com/5674915/chevy-plays-pac+man-with-real-cars <- awesome |
| 21:26.02 | Cide | tons |
| 21:26.02 | Jamash | the scooter |
| 21:26.03 | Cide | alestane: bad idea! |
| 21:26.06 | Dagmar | Jamash: Nope. Metal studs tho |
| 21:26.33 | alestane | Well, once upon a time, most of the uses of it in here pertained to the Blizzard secure templates. |
| 21:26.49 | Skeen | I like the idea of having Hello Kitty deciding who gets what in the auctino house :o |
| 21:27.40 | Skeen | Silence... |
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| 21:28.29 | Kraps | http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/27/oprah.sound.music.ppl/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn |
| 21:28.32 | Nechckn | heres a faint, distant Meoooow and receives numerous "you have won xxxx" messages. |
| 21:28.45 | Jamash | you don't want hello kitty deciding what goes in the auction house |
| 21:29.05 | Nechckn | Pochacco! |
| 21:29.12 | Jamash | because if real life is any indication, that would include condoms and vibrators |
| 21:29.17 | Xyphoid | 'steampunk is nothing more than what happens when goths discover brown' glorious |
| 21:29.17 | Nechckn | Much more stable decision making.... |
| 21:29.59 | Skeen | okay I'll need to buy this two hand Hello Kitty vibrator for my paladin |
| 21:30.09 | Skeen | >.< |
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| 21:30.26 | Skeen | wonder if it will go soulbound :o |
| 21:30.35 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Not just brown, _brass_ and _wood_ |
| 21:30.49 | Jamash | would you buy a used vibrator? on second thought, don't answer that question |
| 21:31.15 | Skeen | I would rather buy it on an auction house than grap it from an abomination |
| 21:31.18 | Skeen | thats all I'm saying |
| 21:31.33 | Kraps | "I don't like change. What is enticing about this new forum situation that would compel me to not complain fruitlessly to have it changed back?" |
| 21:31.38 | Kraps | HOLY CRAP |
| 21:31.44 | Jamash | new engineering item |
| 21:31.47 | Lunessa | Has anyone post pics from the Curse party? |
| 21:32.09 | Xtek | Lunessa, I think so |
| 21:32.23 | Jamash | thing about engineering items is they tend to malfunction |
| 21:32.39 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: i didnt take any |
| 21:32.50 | Skeen | I would just love to have a melfunctioning gnomish device inside my pussy >.< |
| 21:32.56 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: You were too lit to operate electronics. |
| 21:33.12 | Dagmar | Especially when it fails and explodes into sharpened flaming fragments. |
| 21:33.15 | Arrowmaster | aww |
| 21:33.16 | Xtek | Lunessa, I think everyone was |
| 21:33.19 | Skeen | ouch |
| 21:33.20 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster was funny |
| 21:33.37 | Skeen | the picture in my mind kinda hurt |
| 21:33.41 | alestane | That's not usually how gnomish technology malfunctions, Dagmar. |
| 21:33.51 | Torhal | alestane: It is when Dagmar is the director. |
| 21:33.53 | Jamash | the goblin vibrator would explode |
| 21:33.55 | Skeen | true thats goblin |
| 21:33.58 | zenzelezz | we still have a severe lack of Cairenn-pictures from this year |
| 21:34.01 | Jamash | the gnomish vibrator would turn you into a man |
| 21:34.04 | alestane | Of course, I don't think you want it turning space and time inside out in a one-foot radius, either. |
| 21:34.10 | Dagmar | So the gnomish version would, what... turn you inside out? |
| 21:34.11 | Skeen | okay I prefer the goblin one |
| 21:34.25 | Skeen | I'm taking the chance eh, living on the edge :) |
| 21:34.26 | Dagmar | Seal you up, forever? |
| 21:34.30 | Skeen | eww |
| 21:34.31 | Dagmar | There's plenty of exploding gnomish stuff |
| 21:34.35 | alestane | She likes it that way, zenzelezz. |
| 21:34.48 | Skeen | okay I'll just be passive for a bit |
| 21:34.55 | zenzelezz | alestane: we don't |
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| 21:35.55 | Jamash | the wild Cairenn is an elusive and wily subject, easily spooked |
| 21:36.01 | Xtek | Lunessa, http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01296.JPG just go back from there |
| 21:36.08 | Lunessa | With sharp teeth and a wicked punch |
| 21:36.30 | Lunessa | Xtek: Woot. Did we meet at the show? |
| 21:36.43 | Xtek | Not sure, I was at the party though. |
| 21:36.56 | alestane | She poured a guy's beer over his head on the way back from the party, in fact. |
| 21:37.05 | Jamash | we sent a camera crew to Blizzcon to capture live footage of this majestic creature |
| 21:37.13 | Xtek | One of the Curse guys with a drink in his hand 101% of the time :P |
| 21:37.23 | Jamash | unfortunately, none of them returned alive |
| 21:37.52 | Lunessa | Xtek: Blond guy? Glasses? |
| 21:37.59 | Jamash | however, their equipment was recovered from the site |
| 21:38.05 | Xtek | Dark hair, glasses, rather tall |
| 21:38.21 | Cairenn | *hand on chest, fluttering lashes* Who, sweet innocent lil'ol me? |
| 21:38.21 | Xtek | I look young |
| 21:38.26 | Lunessa | Hrm, no, I don't think we were introduced. |
| 21:38.32 | Xtek | Ah. |
| 21:38.33 | Jamash | title card: THE BLIZZARD WENCH PROJECT |
| 21:38.38 | Xtek | I hung around the author table for a bit. |
| 21:38.57 | Arrowmaster | i hung around anywhere i could find a seat at the curse party |
| 21:39.08 | Xtek | haha |
| 21:39.18 | Kraps | wb Cairenn |
| 21:39.21 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:39.39 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Mostly you hung on to things to keep you from falling over. |
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| 21:39.47 | Arrowmaster | not true |
| 21:40.02 | Cairenn | well, except when you were throwing your arms around people and declaring your undying love for them! |
| 21:40.05 | Xtek | I ran into Arrowmaster right after getting off of our flight. |
| 21:40.06 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt that bad |
| 21:40.14 | Cairenn | oh yes you were! |
| 21:40.33 | Cairenn | (the look on his face truly was priceless, though) |
| 21:40.39 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt as bad as you were the night before |
| 21:40.42 | Stanzilla | need pics with names :( |
| 21:40.49 | Ackis | Arrowmaster was drunk? |
| 21:40.49 | Cairenn | whistles an innocent little tune |
| 21:41.14 | Cairenn | You're right, though - you weren't trying to do a strip-tease, at least not that I was aware of |
| 21:41.15 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: look on my face or ckk's? |
| 21:41.37 | Cairenn | ckk's |
| 21:41.48 | Arrowmaster | i still have one of those singles btw |
| 21:41.58 | Cairenn | *snark* |
| 21:42.10 | Nechckn | is still awaiting the CairennCam footage... |
| 21:42.30 | Arrowmaster | ill start a tread on wowi and auction it off |
| 21:42.44 | Cairenn | just as long as it wasn't working during the attempted strip-tease, Nechckn |
| 21:42.46 | Jamash | I bid 8,493,392 zorkmids |
| 21:43.02 | Ackis | who was stripping? O_o |
| 21:43.07 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn |
| 21:43.08 | Jamash | ckk? |
| 21:43.21 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: was it one of the ones that was in my bra, or one that went down my jeans? |
| 21:43.28 | Arrowmaster | bra |
| 21:43.32 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:43.40 | Cairenn | not worth as much, then |
| 21:43.44 | Ackis | O_o |
| 21:43.52 | Jamash | okay you guys need to stop talking about this before I have a jealousy aneurysm |
| 21:43.53 | amro | doesn't want to ask |
| 21:44.09 | Jamash | either that or post pics |
| 21:44.13 | Cairenn | let's just say that I was feeling no pain Thursday night |
| 21:44.28 | zenzelezz | http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html |
| 21:44.56 | Dagmar | Oh f**k no |
| 21:44.58 | |Jelly| | Then Lunessa did not hug-crush you enough! |
| 21:45.23 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Oh, *whew* I thought that was some other project |
| 21:45.29 | Cairenn | I got tons of hugs this year |
| 21:45.32 | Dagmar | I knew about the HML thing |
| 21:45.40 | Dagmar | We installed it on someone's laptop last year as a prank. |
| 21:45.40 | Cairenn | I was even more huggy than usual, which is bloody hard to do |
| 21:45.59 | |Jelly| | Yeah but mine was special! e-hugging is pretty srs via text! |
| 21:46.00 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn hugged me as soon as she saw me |
| 21:46.05 | Ackis | and apparently more strippy than usual |
| 21:46.07 | Mirrormn | oh snap, hannah montana linux? |
| 21:46.11 | Jamash | zenzelezz: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ <-- Lesbian Linux |
| 21:46.34 | Mirrormn | now that's just poor taste |
| 21:46.43 | Mirrormn | hannah montana linux is so much classier |
| 21:47.05 | Jamash | if you say so |
| 21:47.09 | snipe | can anyone tell me the best way to keep adons up to date in linux? |
| 21:47.13 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: Someone in their marketing division got *very* carried away |
| 21:47.15 | Cairenn | but hey, at least I didn't spill my drink! |
| 21:47.24 | Arrowmaster | yes you did |
| 21:47.25 | Cairenn | s* |
| 21:47.42 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower was sitting in the splash zone |
| 21:47.52 | Cairenn | hehehhee |
| 21:47.56 | Lunessa | That was before she started drinking |
| 21:48.11 | Ackis | is now ever more jealous |
| 21:49.05 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: ill make you less jealous, everytime she walked behind me at the curse party she pulled my hair |
| 21:49.05 | Sixen | God I hate Procedural programming >.> |
| 21:49.20 | Cairenn | unfortunately, when I write up my post, I'm not actually going to be able to go into a lot of details about Thursday night - I don't remember a lot of it |
| 21:49.23 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: still jelous |
| 21:49.26 | Ackis | rofl |
| 21:49.27 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: I tugged, I didn't pull |
| 21:49.32 | Cairenn | ask Kaelten :p |
| 21:49.39 | Ackis | do you have long hair Arrowmaster? |
| 21:49.40 | alestane | Back when I had a braid like yours, Arrowmaster, my district admin always rang it like a doorbell. |
| 21:50.04 | |Jelly| | Word on the street is that there wasn't a group photo. |
| 21:50.13 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: yeah, past my waist when not braided |
| 21:50.14 | |Jelly| | All I have to say is this: epic freaking fail |
| 21:50.27 | |Jelly| | And that I blame [personally, mind you] Lunessa. :P |
| 21:50.28 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I didn't picture you like that tbh |
| 21:50.29 | Jamash | time for D&D |
| 21:50.46 | Lunessa | It's always my fault. |
| 21:51.37 | |Jelly| | http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/298/5/0/scalebane_invades_blizzcon_by_ginryu-d31j7hs.jpg -- the one on the left looks WAY too intense |
| 21:51.37 | nicoli_s | im glad ill get to go to blizzcon next year |
| 21:51.40 | nicoli_s | fo free baby! |
| 21:51.43 | Sixen | ; |
| 21:51.45 | Sixen | :P |
| 21:51.59 | TC-Work | Jamash: which ver? |
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| 21:52.08 | nicoli_s | and ill get to be drunk and beligerent |
| 21:52.12 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:52.17 | Sixen | yoyo duman |
| 21:52.32 | Sixen | beligerent, nice word. |
| 21:53.07 | nicoli_s | its a good way to describe e when drunk |
| 21:53.10 | nicoli_s | me* |
| 21:53.41 | amro | |Jelly|: he's trying to kill you with his mind |
| 21:53.53 | |Jelly| | I guess so. |
| 21:53.55 | |Jelly| | He's failing. |
| 21:54.23 | amro | can't be sure, he might be going for a poison attack |
| 21:54.57 | nicoli_s | itd be hard for me not to be condescending to people dressed like that when im trashed |
| 21:55.27 | Ackis | nicoli_s: the dude or chic? |
| 21:55.37 | Sixen | loooooooooool |
| 21:56.01 | Sixen | dude on the left is eye-raping me |
| 21:56.02 | Lunessa | http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01275.JPG - Xtec - can you name all the players here? |
| 21:56.29 | nicoli_s | Ackis:just anyone |
| 21:56.40 | nicoli_s | alex in the middle, bryan on the right |
| 21:56.41 | Ackis | but I was gonna dress up |
| 21:56.55 | nicoli_s | or Alexandria and Kaelten, whatever |
| 21:56.57 | Sixen | I can name 3 of the 5. 4, assuming you're in there, Lune. |
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| 21:57.55 | Dajova | hai, small question |
| 21:58.26 | Skeen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.40 | Dajova | when using GetHeight(), is it possible to alter the size after it's been fired? |
| 21:58.51 | Dajova | and ofc GetWidth() as well |
| 21:58.54 | Lunessa | Nah, I'm not in any of these so far. |
| 21:59.00 | alestane | Not sure what you mean, Dajova. |
| 21:59.07 | Dajova | ok like this |
| 21:59.10 | alestane | After what's been fired? |
| 21:59.18 | Skeen | the GetHeight() function and yes |
| 21:59.29 | Skeen | I would say so |
| 21:59.55 | Dajova | atm im using portrait:SetHeight(panel:GetHeight()) <-- is there a way to alter it inside the SetHeight and after the GetHeight? |
| 22:00.16 | Dajova | cause atm i cant get it to alter |
| 22:00.19 | Lunessa | http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01292.JPG - I'm in the lower left of this image, near the railing. |
| 22:00.31 | alestane | Like portrait:SetHeight(panel:GetHeight() + 20) ? |
| 22:00.38 | Dajova | yeah |
| 22:01.11 | Dagmar | So am I mistaken or did MMOC manage to not realize one of the costume pics was of a porn star? |
| 22:01.14 | nicoli_s | i see ryan and whalen |
| 22:01.18 | alestane | Just like that, then, yes. |
| 22:01.35 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: link |
| 22:01.37 | Dajova | even when i wanna use portrait:SetHeight(panel:GetHeight() - 2) it wont change size |
| 22:01.48 | zenzelezz | most porn stars are hardly "stars" |
| 22:02.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Looking for it again. It was the chick from "those videos" |
| 22:02.54 | zenzelezz | well that narrows it down |
| 22:03.38 | alestane | I think that's me just in from where you are in that pic, Lunessa. |
| 22:03.40 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: You never saw 'em? |
| 22:03.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/b2k10_floor2_08.jpg <-- chick on the right |
| 22:03.53 | zenzelezz | with your vague hints I really can't say |
| 22:03.53 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah. |
| 22:04.02 | Dagmar | THe one on the left could be a porn star too for all I know, I don't recognize her |
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| 22:04.32 | Dagmar | I'm at work or I'd do a bit of googling to try to remember her name. Mia something I *think* |
| 22:04.37 | nicoli_s | she has that porn star face |
| 22:04.42 | amro | creepy, someone in that pic looks a lot like me |
| 22:04.46 | nicoli_s | like her face says "jizz on me and get over with it" |
| 22:04.47 | Stanzilla | mia rose :p |
| 22:04.54 | Dagmar | 8D |
| 22:04.57 | Dagmar | Stanzilla++ |
| 22:05.06 | Dajova | i guess im stuck then :( |
| 22:05.56 | zenzelezz | funny, I don't agree with that |
| 22:06.03 | zenzelezz | then again I stick to girl-girl porn |
| 22:06.05 | Skeen | now thats hillarious, I'll have to watch that movie :D |
| 22:06.21 | Cairenn | the one that Lunessa linked, you can see the back of my head, my hair cascading down my back (sitting at the same table, beside Lunessa) |
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| 22:06.34 | Cairenn | there you go guys, a pic of me from this BC |
| 22:06.56 | Lunessa | :D |
| 22:07.25 | Cairenn | will be just as happy if that's the only one that shows up :p |
| 22:07.38 | Cairenn | that's the type of pic of me that I like |
| 22:08.17 | Lunessa | *chuckles* |
| 22:08.34 | Lunessa | If Iriel posts the one from dinner, I'm a dead man? |
| 22:08.35 | zenzelezz | I'm sure someone's sitting on another ass picture, waiting for you to go AFK |
| 22:08.52 | Cairenn | Lunessa: yes |
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| 22:08.58 | Cairenn | that was a dirty trick! |
| 22:09.07 | Lunessa | It was funny as heck though |
| 22:09.23 | Cairenn | Here I thought you were just trying to put your arm around me, and you were actually setting me up! |
| 22:09.26 | Cairenn | hmph! |
| 22:09.55 | Lunessa | Iriel & Lunessa - Plotting to add to the Internet's Store of Shocked Cairenn pictures. |
| 22:10.01 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:10.34 | Cairenn | although, again, I will tolerate that one a lot more than any you guys may have of me from later on that night ;) |
| 22:11.26 | Bibi | Dagmar: what videos?? |
| 22:11.27 | Lunessa | :D |
| 22:11.45 | Skeen | (we're now going R-rated) |
| 22:11.57 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27387877322/blizzard-are-you-crazy-or/ |
| 22:12.22 | Dagmar | Bibi: What used to be called "World of Whorecraft", second episode, before Blizz's lawyers started raising eyebrows and clearing throats |
| 22:12.26 | Cairenn | http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01293.JPG |
| 22:12.38 | Cairenn | There's dolby! |
| 22:12.40 | Dagmar | Bibi: She's gained a few pounds but I'm reasonable sure that's her. Heheh |
| 22:13.02 | Dagmar | Soo... if that picture gets more clicks than the rest, that's why. |
| 22:13.06 | alestane | /sigh... Zarhym should know better than to say things like that, the Internet doesn't conduct sarcasm properly. |
| 22:13.16 | Bibi | no idea what you're talking about. |
| 22:13.26 | dolby | lol Cairenn |
| 22:13.35 | Dagmar | Wlel, I'm at work and you're not tricking me into googling up a URL on it |
| 22:13.43 | alestane | Talking to cogwheel, looks like, Cairenn. |
| 22:13.46 | Bibi | (also still amazed that nobody realized that the picture is just added here because I had a bet with Mia.) |
| 22:13.58 | Bibi | (seriously guys, completely different ratio, not even the same quality) |
| 22:14.01 | Bibi | (:D) |
| 22:14.05 | Cairenn | http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01295.JPG has my back and Danielle and Shirik and alestane |
| 22:14.05 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 22:14.06 | Bibi | but I didn't say that. |
| 22:14.27 | Kraps | alestane: hes not sarcastic! |
| 22:14.39 | Dagmar | I am really good with faces. Kinda suck at names, but faces and voices, no problme |
| 22:14.45 | Arrowmaster | i still never met Shirik! |
| 22:14.54 | amro | http://dinnerbone.com/blizzcon2010/DSC01337.JPG |
| 22:14.56 | amro | the sequence is disappointing |
| 22:15.01 | Dajova | i still need halp! :( http://www.pastey.net/142156 |
| 22:15.29 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27397547545/new-talents-suck/ |
| 22:15.35 | zenzelezz | Dajova: help with what? They already said you can do math inside the function call |
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| 22:16.06 | Dajova | well yeah, but i needd help to make the portrait slight smaller |
| 22:16.08 | Dajova | *need |
| 22:16.27 | zenzelezz | hence, math |
| 22:16.30 | Dajova | but setting -2 in the SetHeight wont work |
| 22:16.44 | zenzelezz | did you try it? |
| 22:16.52 | alestane | Don't use SetAllPoints at the same times as a specified height and width. |
| 22:16.54 | Dajova | i did with +200, no change |
| 22:17.06 | foxlit | So, heh, spec-specific +%damage buffs. |
| 22:17.10 | zenzelezz | oh, he's SetAllPointsing... |
| 22:17.20 | alestane | You're trying to set the size by anchors and fixed dimensions at the same time, the SetAllPoints wins. |
| 22:17.22 | foxlit | I wonder if it's fair to expect equivalent dps from everyone now. |
| 22:17.44 | zenzelezz | given equal gear and skill, I assume most specs will be roughly on par |
| 22:17.56 | zenzelezz | though that's merely speculation, not based on testing |
| 22:17.58 | Dajova | well, should i go back to the "old-school" then? by normal SetPoint? |
| 22:18.12 | zenzelezz | Dajova: if you want to be able to change the size, then yes |
| 22:18.29 | Dajova | sigh... |
| 22:18.34 | zenzelezz | SetAllPoints basically says "ignore whatever I say, just anchor me everywhere" |
| 22:18.57 | Skeen | couldn't one just recall SetAllPoints? |
| 22:19.05 | zenzelezz | not to change size |
| 22:19.23 | Skeen | oh well - I'll just shush :) |
| 22:19.51 | alestane | SetAllPoints is basically equivalent to a combination of SetPoint("TOPLEFT") and SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT") |
| 22:20.19 | alestane | So pick one point to anchor to, TOPLEFT or LEFT or CENTER or whatever, then set the size. |
| 22:20.41 | zenzelezz | given what you seem to be trying to do, CENTER seems reasonable |
| 22:20.44 | Shirik | I just got the most epic Nigerian spam email ever |
| 22:20.46 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/142157 |
| 22:21.22 | zenzelezz | wow, he has a phone bomber |
| 22:21.27 | Shirik | I know! |
| 22:21.56 | Dajova | hmm, when using SetPoint for a portrait, i dont need to have SetHeight/SetWidth, right? |
| 22:22.02 | Xyphoid | i like the ones from the nigerian antiscam police telling me they've arrested my current scammers |
| 22:22.22 | Xyphoid | and i'll get all my money back REAL SOON NOW at a small processing cost |
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| 22:22.45 | Kraps | 15k crit archangel flash heal ftw |
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| 22:23.51 | Dajova | nwm, found out that i didnt need them :P |
| 22:23.58 | JRizzle88 | Help me put content on my website! Please register and post on forums! |
| 22:24.05 | JRizzle88 | www.eyeofglaze.spruz.com |
| 22:24.38 | Lunessa | Shirik: that is epic |
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| 22:26.09 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 22:26.56 | Lulia | Should I store unit power as a variable to avoid redrawing a frame every time UNIT_POWER fires, or should I not store the variable and just let it draw every time? Which is more efficient? |
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| 22:27.41 | alestane | You mean, see if it's actually changed before redrawing it? |
| 22:28.02 | alestane | I *think* the frame code may do that anyway. |
| 22:28.18 | amro | either way, you shouldn't care unless you see a performance hit |
| 22:28.30 | alestane | That is, if you set a status bar with value 12151 to 12151, it shouldn't redraw. |
| 22:28.31 | amro | if you're not sure, then you shouldn't be optimizing |
| 22:29.33 | Kraps | "The female worgen dance appears to have finally been finished and put into the latest beta build. She is going to be doing Lady Gaga's Poker Face" |
| 22:29.36 | Kraps | the hell |
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| 22:30.37 | amro | alestane: would you happen to know how to set the video quality on niconico? |
| 22:30.49 | alestane | On...wha? |
| 22:31.01 | amro | http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9538974 |
| 22:31.11 | alestane | I think someone was actually begging for that on the beta forum way back, Kraps. |
| 22:31.30 | Lulia | Thanks alestane, sorry I was in another window |
| 22:31.31 | Skeen | I think Oprah should be the next president :) |
| 22:31.37 | Lulia | So I'll go with the not saving it to variable then |
| 22:31.58 | alestane | Saving it is an optimization; save it for when you decide that your performance isn't good enough. |
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| 22:32.49 | Dajova | zenzelezz: k, thx for the "help", this was the result i was after ;) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5463876/World_of_Warcraft/portraits.PNG |
| 22:33.15 | Lulia | Do you know why it sometimes takes half a second for my frames to draw? |
| 22:33.44 | Lulia | I've noticed it with my Holy Power the most. I'm not sure if it's due to server latency, latency with actually gaining the holy power or the drawing taking extra time. |
| 22:34.10 | Lulia | But I'll, say, use holy shock on my Paladin and it will take anywhere from half a second to a second before the frame that shows a charge of holy power shows up |
| 22:34.16 | Dajova | dunno, my holy power mod works without that much delay |
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| 22:34.30 | Lulia | hmm |
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| 22:35.41 | Dajova | you sure you have SPELL_POWER_HOLY_POWER as a seperate local? |
| 22:35.41 | amro | Lulia: if the drawing is taking time, your client will freeze in the meantime |
| 22:35.46 | Dajova | *separate |
| 22:36.29 | Lulia | I dont even store it, I literally fire UNIT_POWER and then do: PowImg = img .. UnitPower("Player", CurrPlayer.Pow2.Type) .. ".blp"; |
| 22:36.52 | Lulia | PowerBars.PowTexture:SetTexture(PowImg); |
| 22:37.18 | Dajova | it could be because you're using a texture, im mearly using a number :P |
| 22:37.24 | Arrowmaster | ok my blizzcon photos are up, although i didnt take many at all http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=254677&id=573016444&l=b283bea17d |
| 22:37.55 | Lulia | According to amro, if the texture is taking time to draw the client should freeze up |
| 22:38.00 | Lulia | So I'm not sure that that's it. |
| 22:38.11 | Lunessa | New API added BeYouAngels(Unit) valid returns are Yay, Nay, and We Are But Men. |
| 22:38.20 | Lulia | :P |
| 22:38.20 | Nechckn | Woo hoo! Thank you for sharing, Arrowmaster |
| 22:38.21 | Cide | Rock. |
| 22:38.24 | amro | actually, I thought you were doing some custom stuff |
| 22:38.47 | Mirrormn | The peculiar thing is this my friends, that's not actually in the WoW API! |
| 22:38.51 | amro | the new client seems to load stuff asynchronously, though I've never seen UI stuff lag |
| 22:39.08 | Lulia | So the female worgen dance is poker face? |
| 22:39.09 | Arrowmaster | somebody that was more sober than i was at the curse party is going to have to tag the other guy in this photo for me http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5238692&l=3e5c50080e&id=573016444 |
| 22:39.49 | amro | nice shirt |
| 22:40.20 | Mirrormn | is that HDStarcraft? |
| 22:40.27 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 22:40.44 | Cide | he's got what looks like the youtube play button on his tshirt :P |
| 22:40.57 | Mirrormn | did you poke his play button, Arrowmaster |
| 22:41.13 | Arrowmaster | no i was more focused on standing still for the photo |
| 22:41.17 | amro | I would have |
| 22:41.19 | Sixen | yeah, I think that's HD |
| 22:41.28 | amro | but then, like flash, he would have crashed |
| 22:42.25 | Skeen | Would you say #wowuidev is a community? |
| 22:42.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:42.51 | Skeen | when does something grant the state of 'acommunity'? |
| 22:42.55 | Cairenn | definitely |
| 22:43.01 | Arrowmaster | when we say so |
| 22:43.28 | Cide | it became one when I joined |
| 22:44.18 | Skeen | just curious for how long have people know each other, and did people meet on this and stuff :)`? |
| 22:44.52 | DarthAndroid_ | do I have to apply for membership status to this community? |
| 22:45.03 | DarthAndroid_ | how many forms do I have to fill out in triplicate? |
| 22:45.08 | amro | DarthAndroid_: it's $75, and I'm the treasurer |
| 22:45.18 | amro | fork em |
| 22:45.34 | Lunessa | Also, there's the small matter of an act with a goat... |
| 22:45.46 | Skeen | eww |
| 22:45.49 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|netbook (~kd3@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 22:45.52 | DarthAndroid_ | ...what kind of act? |
| 22:46.02 | amro | we don't tell you until it's too late |
| 22:46.08 | DWSR | er... |
| 22:46.11 | DWSR | Until you already know. |
| 22:46.19 | Lunessa | Only the initiated can say, and you can't learn until you agree to become initiated. |
| 22:46.37 | DarthAndroid_ | lol |
| 22:47.32 | Cide | and it may or may not in fact not be a goat or actually be a goat to be decided at a later date at all |
| 22:47.53 | Skeen | uhm.. okay I'm in, if thats the cost for getting to know all of these lovely people, so be it :) |
| 22:48.10 | Xyphoid | sometimes the goat wins |
| 22:48.31 | DarthAndroid_ | What if I want to goat to win? |
| 22:48.37 | Lunessa | Skeen: Is your nic a reference to the character from the relic hunter novels? |
| 22:49.00 | Skeen | um.. no.. Didnt even know about such a novel, its a danish word :) |
| 22:49.14 | DarthAndroid_ | meaning.... ? |
| 22:49.15 | amro | I thought it was Skin pronounced in french |
| 22:49.27 | Skeen | uhm... 'the spoon', long story |
| 22:49.41 | DarthAndroid_ | Skeen: that's great, I'm in a long and borning class. |
| 22:49.51 | DarthAndroid_ | settles into a comfortable beanbag |
| 22:49.59 | Skeen | omg |
| 22:50.00 | DarthAndroid_ | *boring |
| 22:50.05 | Skeen | you having a beanbag in class? :P |
| 22:50.42 | DarthAndroid_ | ... What else would I do? I'm paying them after all. |
| 22:50.52 | DarthAndroid_ | s'long as I don't disrupt, might as well enjoy class. |
| 22:50.57 | Skeen | :D |
| 22:51.16 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-163-46.nat.asu.edu) |
| 22:51.28 | Skeen | well, are there any kids current in this fora >.< |
| 22:51.36 | Lulia | Anyone here use Emerald Editor? |
| 22:53.10 | Cairenn | Skeen: depends on your definition of 'kids' |
| 22:53.25 | Cairenn | are you talking chronologically? or emotionally? :p |
| 22:53.31 | Skeen | uhm.. not sure :) |
| 22:53.37 | Skeen | uhm.. not sure :P |
| 22:53.46 | amro | you're not sure twice over? |
| 22:54.03 | Skeen | uhm.. not sure :o |
| 22:54.06 | LordAbyss | how would i set up a group/array of variables that represent a list of class types for a raid and then compare them like if raid[1] == shaman |
| 22:54.13 | amro | President Not Sure |
| 22:54.34 | DarthAndroid_ | LordAbyss: select(2,UnitClass("raid1")) == "SHAMAN" ? |
| 22:55.11 | Skeen | long story short, I did things in high school and the movie spread >.< |
| 22:55.53 | DarthAndroid_ | Skeen: OMG that poor spoon... |
| 22:56.03 | Skeen | >.< |
| 22:56.35 | Skeen | my dad saw it.. he came up with the name >.< |
| 22:56.52 | DarthAndroid_ | LOL |
| 22:56.55 | Lunessa | ... .... I don't know if I should laugh or be apalled. |
| 22:57.04 | Skeen | U know right.. He started using it to bug me, and it kinda spread |
| 22:57.22 | Skeen | Lunessa: do both at once |
| 22:58.04 | Skeen | can you :o? |
| 22:58.18 | Cide | Lunessa can do _anything_. |
| 22:59.01 | Skeen | ^^ |
| 22:59.04 | Lunessa | Indeed. My legions of fans are constantly amazed. I can even hold conflicting ideals in my head at once and defeat Shirik at D3 arena. |
| 22:59.35 | Lulia | So, what does Protected mean for a function? |
| 22:59.45 | Lunessa | It means that only Blizzard can use it. |
| 22:59.53 | amro | it means only derived classes can use it |
| 22:59.55 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:59.58 | amro | leves |
| 23:00.00 | amro | wow, bad |
| 23:00.04 | Cairenn | at Lunessa's :p |
| 23:00.06 | amro | ~lart amro |
| 23:00.06 | purl | steals amro's mojo |
| 23:00.08 | kd3|netbook | was about to answer 'only the class and its descendants can use it' |
| 23:00.58 | Lunessa | If you see the PERFECT API function for your AddOn and it says "Protected" figure out another way to do what you want. Or give up. |
| 23:01.13 | amro | off to bed, night everyone |
| 23:01.19 | Skeen | Okay I know this is a dev fora, but I'm curious to who people are, and what there location is and such :) |
| 23:01.37 | Skeen | night amro |
| 23:01.41 | Cairenn | night amro |
| 23:01.42 | Cide | I'm your worst nightmare; Emerald Dream. |
| 23:01.46 | Lulia | I guess that's why SBF no longer allows you to click cancel buffs |
| 23:01.47 | Lulia | :( |
| 23:02.02 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: exactly |
| 23:02.03 | Lunessa | I am on the summit of Mount Olympus, tossing thunderbolts of Truth and Wisdom at the many legions of mortals below. |
| 23:02.11 | Lulia | Sucks |
| 23:02.17 | DarthAndroid_ | Lunessa: how come I never get any? |
| 23:02.17 | Lulia | I liked being able to click off my buffs |
| 23:02.33 | Cairenn | I'm me, and I'm everywhere |
| 23:02.41 | Lunessa | DarthAndroid_: They're not cheap, and I only throw them where they might actually do some good. |
| 23:02.50 | DarthAndroid_ | ....ouch. |
| 23:03.00 | Lunessa | ~lunessa++ |
| 23:03.13 | DarthAndroid_ | (or that was a compliment, but I doubt that) |
| 23:03.20 | Lulia | Wouldn't it make sense to have a sort of "half-protected" type which would allow you to execute the function only via player input? |
| 23:03.33 | Lunessa | No. Those ALWAYS get abused. |
| 23:03.33 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: welcome to the Restricted Environment |
| 23:03.47 | Lulia | What do you mean, Lunessa? |
| 23:03.48 | alestane | There are a few actions that respond only to player input. |
| 23:03.57 | alestane | Posting actions, for instance. |
| 23:04.01 | alestane | auctions* |
| 23:04.22 | Lulia | Oh :-/ |
| 23:04.39 | Lunessa | I mean, if they kind of let you do something... someone will push the limits and then they have to nerf it. Anyone want to rehash AVR again? |
| 23:04.39 | alestane | But restricting buff cancellation to hardware input would accomplish only part of their presumed design intentions. |
| 23:04.57 | Lulia | It just seems like it would make sense to allow the cancelunitbuff function to act if the user clicked. |
| 23:05.12 | Lunessa | Sure. On their frames. |
| 23:05.15 | Lulia | That would retain that functionality while still making sure a mod couldn't click off someone's buff for them automatically |
| 23:05.50 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: what if the mod moves the button below the cursor? |
| 23:06.08 | kd3|netbook | protected frames cannot be moved in combat |
| 23:06.17 | kd3|netbook | moved by lua, that is |
| 23:06.29 | Lulia | Make it so mods cant move buttons while in combat? |
| 23:06.34 | alestane | It would also allow addons to make buttons that decide whether or not to cancel a particular buff when you click. |
| 23:06.59 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 23:08.01 | alestane | And that's not the kind of decision they want an interface to be able to make for the player. So it has to be not only restrained to hardware input, it also has to prevent add-ons from intervening in the decision process? |
| 23:08.07 | Lunessa | Blizzard doesn't just protect an API without long internal debate. |
| 23:10.15 | DarthAndroid_ | and I'll do some more in-depth testing tonight, btu I haven't been getting taint errors while calling :SetPoint() on blizzard's buffs in combat; you can still do a good amount of stuff with those and retain the ability to clickcancel |
| 23:10.39 | Lulia | Well, it's not an addon I'm making |
| 23:10.51 | Napoleone | hmm playing around with Loot system. |
| 23:11.04 | Lunessa | Dual Talent Specialization level requirement has been reduced to 30, down from 40. - heh... I suggested that... |
| 23:11.37 | Lulia | I'm guessing the only thing SBF can do is allow players to keep the Blizzard buff frame |
| 23:11.54 | Napoleone | GetLootRollItemInfo() |
| 23:11.54 | Napoleone | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetLootRollItemInfo |
| 23:12.08 | Napoleone | i get a few extra parameters |
| 23:13.28 | LordAbyss | if UnitClass("target") == "SHAMAN" |
| 23:13.30 | LordAbyss | would that work? |
| 23:13.33 | Lulia | erm |
| 23:13.33 | LordAbyss | or is there something wrong |
| 23:13.53 | Lulia | Might need to be proper |
| 23:13.59 | Lulia | "Target" instead of "target", dunno |
| 23:14.03 | Napoleone | nop |
| 23:14.15 | Napoleone | mine returns: Death Knight DEATHKNIGHT |
| 23:14.18 | DarthAndroid_ | LordAbyss: select(2,UnitClass("target")) |
| 23:14.26 | Napoleone | so do a select(2, |
| 23:14.28 | Napoleone | exactly |
| 23:14.38 | LordAbyss | what exactly does select(2 do? |
| 23:14.41 | Skeen | first one is local language |
| 23:14.42 | Lulia | So, erm /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage(UnitBuff("Player", "Eclipse (Lunar)")) |
| 23:14.48 | Skeen | second one is english eh? |
| 23:14.49 | Lulia | Why doesn't that return all of its return values? |
| 23:14.54 | Napoleone | selects the second argument |
| 23:14.57 | Lulia | It only returns the name :( |
| 23:15.00 | Skeen | ah right |
| 23:15.01 | alestane | Because addmessage only takes one. |
| 23:15.08 | Lulia | sniffles. |
| 23:15.14 | Mirrormn | it doesn't just select the second argument |
| 23:15.17 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: use print() |
| 23:15.18 | alestane | /dump UnitBuff("Player", "Eclipse (Lunar)") |
| 23:15.22 | Mirrormn | it returns all arguments starting at the second one |
| 23:16.11 | Lulia | Is it generally considered better practice to refer to a buff by name or by spellid? |
| 23:16.13 | LordAbyss | is there some place on wowpedia where i can find that function? |
| 23:16.45 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: spellID - names only work in your language |
| 23:16.47 | Wobin | Lulia: spellid is more acceptable to localisation |
| 23:16.49 | kd3|netbook | wha, UnitBuff? wowpedia.org/API_UnitBuff |
| 23:17.18 | Mirrormn | it really depends where you got it and what you're going to use it for |
| 23:17.32 | Mirrormn | but usually using the localization-agnostic identifier is better |
| 23:17.50 | Lulia | Alright, so hopefully 48518 is Eclipse (Lunar) then |
| 23:17.53 | Lulia | However |
| 23:18.02 | Skeen | just look it up on wowhead? |
| 23:18.04 | Lulia | Even though Eclipse Lunar is active, it returned 0 for count |
| 23:18.17 | Lulia | So how am I supposed to know when Eclipse Lunar is up? |
| 23:18.27 | DarthAndroid_ | stack is 0 for a non-stacking buff |
| 23:18.29 | Wobin | It goes dark? |
| 23:18.39 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: it returns nil i think |
| 23:18.42 | Mirrormn | or, if you need a name but want to remain localization-agnostic, do "local buffName = GetSpellInfo(48518)" |
| 23:19.13 | LordAbyss | is there an easier way to testing addons then from logging in and out of wow each time lol? |
| 23:19.22 | Skeen | ACP? |
| 23:19.28 | Lulia | Alright, I'll test that, Darth |
| 23:19.31 | Skeen | just reload the ui |
| 23:19.31 | DarthAndroid_ | LordAbyss: /reloadui |
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| 23:19.32 | Mirrormn | you can just /reload unless you changed your .toc |
| 23:20.17 | Skeen | night everyone :) |
| 23:20.56 | Skeen | and I hoped for a night back at me >.< |
| 23:21.05 | Lulia | erm, where does it say the id on wowhead? |
| 23:21.07 | syrae | Mirrormn: I thought that reload only works if you're modifying files, but doesn't if you add some |
| 23:21.09 | Skeen | but thanks anyway ^.^ |
| 23:21.12 | alestane | Lulia: Try UnitBuff(GetSpellInfo(48518)) |
| 23:21.13 | Skeen | Lulia: in the title |
| 23:21.16 | kd3|netbook | Lulia, look at the url |
| 23:21.17 | Mirrormn | that's what I said |
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| 23:21.26 | Mirrormn | to add files, you would have to edit the .toc |
| 23:21.27 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=48518 |
| 23:21.30 | Lulia | Oh |
| 23:21.34 | kd3|netbook | spellID = 46518 |
| 23:21.36 | Lulia | So it is 48518 |
| 23:21.37 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:21.37 | alestane | That'll turn the id into the local name and ask for that. |
| 23:21.39 | DarthAndroid_ | Mirrormn: not always |
| 23:21.41 | kd3|netbook | er, yah |
| 23:21.47 | DarthAndroid_ | you could add it to an .xml file |
| 23:21.56 | DarthAndroid_ | but yes, you still have to restart the game if you add files |
| 23:22.02 | alestane | Or rather, UnitBuff('player', GetSpellInfo(48518)) |
| 23:22.51 | Lulia | Ah |
| 23:22.56 | alestane | Okay, Sam Adams Black Lager and Woodchuck Amber make a DAMN fine Black Velvet. |
| 23:22.57 | Lulia | I can't reference it by the id then? |
| 23:23.14 | Lulia | not directly anyways |
| 23:23.19 | LordAbyss | stupid question...whats the comment code icons or whatever you wanna call it |
| 23:23.51 | Lulia | -- for single line |
| 23:23.53 | Mirrormn | no, UnitBuff will not search by spellId |
| 23:23.56 | KarlKFI|work | rofl http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 23:23.58 | Lulia | --[[ and --]] for multi line |
| 23:24.06 | LordAbyss | ty |
| 23:24.10 | Napoleone | i use --[[ ]]-- |
| 23:24.18 | Mirrormn | it's just --[[ to ]], really |
| 23:24.22 | Lulia | Ah |
| 23:24.27 | Lulia | Just using what I learned! |
| 23:24.28 | Napoleone | i add the last -- for symmetry ;P |
| 23:24.41 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:24.49 | Mirrormn | well if you do --[[ to ]]-- then you can't use it in the middle of lines |
| 23:24.59 | Mirrormn | cause you'll comment the end of the line too |
| 23:25.07 | Napoleone | well when i block it.. i usually dont stop in the middle of a line ;P |
| 23:25.13 | Mirrormn | --[[ to --]] works but it's unnecessary |
| 23:25.36 | Mirrormn | half the time when I'm using block comments it's to comment something in the middle of a line =/ |
| 23:25.58 | DarthAndroid_ | if something --[[or somethingelse]] then ...party... end :) |
| 23:26.53 | Napoleone | ;P |
| 23:26.55 | Mirrormn | I often use it to change the arguments of a function call for testing |
| 23:27.10 | Mikk | i use it for debug statements |
| 23:27.22 | Mikk | --[[DBG]] this code gets executed |
| 23:27.26 | Mikk | --DBG this code doesnt |
| 23:27.31 | Mikk | very fast find & replace before release |
| 23:27.36 | Lulia | Well thanks :) |
| 23:27.41 | Napoleone | one thing i havent seen too much examples of. how do i do mulitple valuations in one if statemend... like if a=1 and b=2 then damn end |
| 23:27.42 | Kraps | http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/10/27/congo.women.raped/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn i like like how the first comment blames this on the US |
| 23:27.43 | Lulia | I learned something, even if minor |
| 23:28.04 | Mirrormn | I think that works just as you wrote it |
| 23:28.10 | Mirrormn | although I always use parentheses |
| 23:28.15 | Napoleone | lol |
| 23:28.20 | Napoleone | how how to put the () |
| 23:28.29 | Mikk | like you would in math |
| 23:28.42 | Mikk | if (a==b) and (c==d) then ... |
| 23:28.46 | Napoleone | hmm in math its very dependient on who made the app |
| 23:28.51 | Mirrormn | if(a==1 and b==2) then .... end |
| 23:29.10 | Mikk | it just makes doubly sure that things are evaluated in the order you want |
| 23:29.10 | Napoleone | some also need if ((a=1) and (b=2)) then |
| 23:29.18 | Mikk | na that's C =) |
| 23:29.22 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:29.26 | Napoleone | again what type of math ;)I |
| 23:29.53 | Mirrormn | (if) ((a(=)(1 and b)(=)2))then() ... ()end |
| 23:29.53 | Lulia | hmm |
| 23:29.53 | Mirrormn | that's how you do it |
| 23:29.53 | Mikk | but yeah some of us use extraneous parenthesis just to make doubly sure that things are evaluated in the order we think it will |
| 23:29.58 | Lulia | So if I wrote if not UnitBuff("Player", 48518) then |
| 23:30.05 | Lulia | It would only fire if the buff were active? |
| 23:30.16 | Mirrormn | you can't use spellIds with UnitBuff |
| 23:30.25 | Lulia | Sell, inside spellid() |
| 23:30.30 | Mikk | if (a==b or c==d) and (e==f or g==h) then |
| 23:30.42 | Lulia | The question was about the logic of the statement :P |
| 23:30.42 | Mikk | ^ no need to remember which operator takes precedence ("or" or "and") |
| 23:30.54 | Mirrormn | if((not a==2) or (b==3)) then |
| 23:31.05 | Mirrormn | ^ same for not operator |
| 23:31.08 | Mikk | nodnod |
| 23:31.09 | Napoleone | UnitBuff isnt that.. target, and buff number active on a target, so 48518 would ask for active buff number 48518 on the target |
| 23:31.35 | Mikk | though "no"t tends to be very high precedence in any language |
| 23:31.38 | Mikk | "not"* |
| 23:31.50 | Mirrormn | well |
| 23:31.53 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 23:32.08 | Mikk | heck i'm wondering now if it's higher precedence than "==" in C |
| 23:32.14 | Mirrormn | even if I do know that "not" is higher precedence than "or" or "and", I still tend to use parentheses |
| 23:32.17 | Mikk | ya |
| 23:32.25 | Cide | of course it is |
| 23:32.30 | Cide | if !a == b |
| 23:32.31 | Mikk | makes it easier to read the intention next time you read the line, if nothing else |
| 23:32.37 | Cide | wouldn't make sense to parse as !(a == b) |
| 23:32.40 | Mikk | Cide: yeah that's what i remembered |
| 23:32.47 | Mirrormn | unless you get like 5 parentheses deep |
| 23:32.49 | Mikk | but i've been Lua:ing too much lately |
| 23:32.54 | Mirrormn | then it becomes an incomprehensible mess |
| 23:33.05 | Mikk | Mirrormn: indented multiline ftw |
| 23:33.09 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 23:33.09 | Lulia | if not UnitBuff("Player", GetSpellInfo(48518)) then |
| 23:33.24 | Mikk | or in a sane language... "continue" |
| 23:33.26 | Mikk | but nooo not in lua |
| 23:33.28 | Mikk | shakes fist |
| 23:33.44 | Lulia | Or, actually, sorry, it would just be if UnitBuff("Player", GetSpellInfo(48518)) then |
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| 23:33.58 | Lulia | Because as long as it returns a value it must be active, no? |
| 23:34.08 | Lulia | Because if it's not active it returns nil |
| 23:34.11 | Mikk | Lulia: quite so |
| 23:34.14 | Lulia | Alright |
| 23:34.18 | Mirrormn | yep |
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| 23:34.28 | Lulia | Mikk, did you write MikkScrollingBattleText? |
| 23:34.32 | Mikk | ~mikk |
| 23:34.32 | purl | somebody said mikk was NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 23:34.38 | Lulia | Aww |
| 23:34.47 | Lulia | I did notice your name in some lib files though |
| 23:34.52 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 23:34.52 | Lulia | So I assume you're that mikk |
| 23:34.53 | Mirrormn | although in that case, again, I would prefer to write something like "local name = UnitBuff("player", "Molten Armor"); if(name) then dosomething() end" |
| 23:34.55 | Mikk | those ones would be me yes =) |
| 23:34.59 | Cide | he's the guy behind WoWBench. |
| 23:35.15 | Napoleone | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.20 | Mikk | the wowbench that didn't make it into wow 2.0 :P |
| 23:35.21 | Napoleone | should work |
| 23:35.26 | LordAbyss | http://pastebin.com/Q1kMfYfV |
| 23:35.27 | Cide | yeah well :P |
| 23:35.29 | LordAbyss | it doesn't |
| 23:35.31 | LordAbyss | seem to work :( |
| 23:35.39 | Mirrormn | "==" is equality, "=" is assignment |
| 23:35.42 | Lulia | off to work on my script some :) |
| 23:35.47 | Napoleone | yeah sorry ;P |
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| 23:35.50 | Mikk | damn shame really... it was useful |
| 23:35.55 | Cide | yup |
| 23:36.21 | Mikk | but i made a mess out of the xml parser that stubs my brain when i try to read it now |
| 23:36.39 | Mikk | i think i'd just rewrite it as C if i did it again |
| 23:36.46 | Cide | C?! |
| 23:36.47 | Cide | why.... |
| 23:36.51 | Cide | are you insane |
| 23:37.02 | Mikk | because lua text parsing is slow |
| 23:37.21 | Cide | true |
| 23:37.31 | kd3|netbook | yay; my desktop's back |
| 23:39.06 | Mikk | or heck, maybe write a small parser library that extracts the XML components |
| 23:39.11 | Mikk | just atom by atom |
| 23:39.16 | Mikk | and keep the rest in Lua |
| 23:39.32 | Mikk | anything that means Lua doesn't have to split an asston of strings |
| 23:40.19 | alestane | I think there's a c-based library for Lua that takes a text file and spits out a tree. |
| 23:40.33 | LordAbyss | whoa! i figured it out :) |
| 23:40.38 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: so TourGuide is checking TomTom's version, and TomTom is replacing 'wowi-version' with 'SVN' for checkouts, but that breaks for wowace git clones, could you pretty please also replace "@project-version@ " with "SVN" when you get a chance? (there seems to be a trailing space, fwiw) |
| 23:40.42 | LordAbyss | i forgot the 'then' in the if/else statement |
| 23:42.46 | LordAbyss | is there a list of the comparison/class names somewhere? like select(2,UnitClass("target"))Â ==Â "HUNTER" the hunter part |
| 23:42.50 | LordAbyss | just so i don't forget something |
| 23:45.15 | DarthAndroid_ | HUNTER, DRUID, SHAMAN, PALADIN, DEATHKNIGHT, WARLOCK, PRIEST, WARRIOR, MAGE, ROUGE |
| 23:45.15 | Mikk | alestane: that actually wouldn't surprise me at all. and would be Just Right(tm) |
| 23:45.41 | Mirrormn | roooouuuuuuuge |
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| 23:49.29 | Mikk | hahaaaa |
| 23:49.46 | Mikk | smears red powder over DarthAndroid_'s face |
| 23:50.41 | LordAbyss | how would i say print this line |
| 23:51.02 | LordAbyss | print('Selected target is:' select(2,UnitClass("target")) ); |
| 23:51.10 | DarthAndroid_ | with .. between |
| 23:51.25 | DarthAndroid_ | .. is the concatenation operator in lua |
| 23:51.30 | LordAbyss | k |
| 23:51.32 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 23:51.36 | alestane | http://viremo.eludi.net/LuaXML/, Mikk. |
| 23:52.00 | Lulia | This is an odd error |
| 23:52.05 | Lulia | It's telling me my function isnt closed |
| 23:52.10 | Lulia | When all of my functions are closed :( |
| 23:52.18 | Lulia | As are all of my if statements |
| 23:52.27 | Cide | not all of your blocks |
| 23:52.32 | Lulia | They are! |
| 23:52.36 | Lulia | I indent all of them |
| 23:52.41 | Cide | so you think |
| 23:52.43 | Lulia | It would be obvious if one wasn't closed |
| 23:52.51 | Lulia | :( |
| 23:52.52 | Cide | it may be outside of the function it's reporting the error for |
| 23:52.57 | Cide | i.e. above |
| 23:53.02 | Cide | or below |
| 23:53.03 | Cide | I can't think |
| 23:53.10 | LordAbyss | btw DarrthAndroid_ i <3 you |
| 23:53.25 | Lulia | all of the blocks below are closed |
| 23:53.32 | Cide | and above? |
| 23:53.39 | Lulia | ah |
| 23:53.42 | DarthAndroid_ | LordAbyss: you gotta fight my gf on that one. |
| 23:53.45 | Lulia | I see what it is |
| 23:53.49 | Lulia | else if Class == "Druid" then |
| 23:53.51 | Lulia | :P |
| 23:54.01 | DarthAndroid_ | elseif ;) |
| 23:54.05 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 23:54.09 | DarthAndroid_ | doen't open up another block |
| 23:54.13 | Lulia | I know! |
| 23:54.23 | Lulia | That's why I said I know what the problem is ;) |
| 23:54.30 | Lulia | I wanted to share my ineptness with all of you though :P |
| 23:54.50 | DarthAndroid_ | knowing the problem and knowing how to fix the problem are two very different thing s:P |
| 23:55.13 | Lulia | oh frik, I did it somewhere else in my script too |
| 23:55.25 | Cide | find is your friend |
| 23:55.47 | Maldivia | well, sometimes you want an else if :) |
| 23:56.06 | DarthAndroid_ | anyone wanna help me with why I can't connect to the beta realms? |
| 23:56.29 | Maldivia | the beta is down for maintenance, or is it up again already |
| 23:56.40 | Lulia | Well, if I use else if, I'll probably put it on separate lines |
| 23:56.45 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: metro 2033? |
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