| 00:00.17 | Lulia | Hmm, apparently I need to set it to moveable first |
| 00:00.31 | Lulia | Yeah. |
| 00:00.32 | Lulia | :P |
| 00:00.42 | Lulia | I figured it would be SetMoveable or something |
| 00:00.44 | Lulia | sighs. |
| 00:00.51 | Tuller | frame:SetMovable(true) |
| 00:01.06 | p3lim | and frame:EnableMouse(true) |
| 00:01.07 | Dajova | this is driving me nuts :( |
| 00:01.24 | Tuller | setuserplaced is for force saving/unsaving |
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| 00:01.34 | Dajova | even with SetScale, ti still wont go past the 35 limit |
| 00:01.39 | Dajova | *it |
| 00:01.44 | sade | ok, anyone see any aparant problems with anchoring to a bartender4 frame? I can anchor to defualt ui buttons no prob.. I am calling Bartender4 as dependency, not sure whta the prob would be |
| 00:02.01 | Tuller | when are you doing it? |
| 00:02.22 | sade | onload |
| 00:02.36 | Tuller | when are bartender's frames created? |
| 00:02.56 | sade | i think onload |
| 00:03.20 | sade | ill try to hold of anchoring and see what happens |
| 00:03.25 | Lulia | lol, even with the Frame:SetMoveable(isMovable); it still gave an error saying the frame wasn't moveable |
| 00:03.51 | sade | SetMovable(true)? |
| 00:03.56 | sade | idk |
| 00:04.26 | Jamash | check to see if the frame exists before anchoring |
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| 00:05.35 | Lulia | Yeah, isMovable must have been an example, the value is boolean. Good call. |
| 00:06.34 | Dajova | sigh... http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/105927752-4.jpg <--- the nukmber right in the middle of the UI is the one i wanna inc in fontsize, but cant get any larger... |
| 00:06.35 | p3lim | sade: maybe wait for Bartender4 to load using ADDON_LOADED event? |
| 00:07.28 | Iriel | What if you SetScale the **FRAME** by a small amount like 1.1? |
| 00:07.40 | Iriel | Do it interactively, set it back to 1.0 after.. |
| 00:07.41 | sade | ill check into that pelim, sounds like a good idea |
| 00:08.18 | Dajova | already tested, it hides the number completely is i make it any larger then 35 fontsize and scale it over 1, then it hides |
| 00:08.19 | Iriel | If that fails, go smaller (0.9) , then a tiny bit larger (1.01) etc |
| 00:08.37 | Iriel | Are you scaling the frame or the fontstring? |
| 00:08.50 | Dajova | tried both, only the frame works with SetScale |
| 00:09.21 | Iriel | How are the two anchored? Single corner + width and height? Or two corners? |
| 00:09.46 | Dajova | corners like in..? |
| 00:09.59 | Iriel | TOPLEFT/BOTTOMRIGHT or whatever |
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| 00:10.06 | Dajova | oh |
| 00:10.08 | Dajova | nah |
| 00:10.18 | Dajova | SetAllPoints works wonders for that |
| 00:10.52 | Cide | that's equivalent to TOPLEFT/BOTTOMRIGHT |
| 00:11.11 | Iriel | You're not answering my question though |
| 00:11.24 | Iriel | How are the frame and font string anchored to whatever they're anchored to |
| 00:11.26 | Lulia | Heh, enabling the mouse and making it moveable made it so it moved whenever my mouse moved. That makes sense, of course, but I suppose I'll need to isolate it to only doing such when it's being clicked. |
| 00:11.41 | Dajova | well |
| 00:11.51 | Dajova | doesnt have a code for that, so it's center |
| 00:12.41 | Lulia | In XML there's an OnClick tag, I believe. Correct? I'm searching the WoWPedia API, but the only mention of Clicks on the page are for buttons. |
| 00:12.54 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: OnMouseDown and OnMouseUp Scripts |
| 00:12.58 | Lulia | Ah |
| 00:13.09 | Cide | any frame may receive clicks but for non-buttons you need to register to receive them |
| 00:13.11 | Dajova | DarthAndriod_: ohai! |
| 00:13.18 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: sups |
| 00:13.28 | Dajova | spanks Darth |
| 00:13.37 | DarthAndroid_ | o.0 |
| 00:13.37 | Iriel | Lulia: You might want to look at wowprogramming (and buy the book, if you're feeling papery) |
| 00:13.43 | Dajova | :) |
| 00:13.51 | DarthAndroid_ | I must've missed something. |
| 00:14.04 | Lulia | Don't have the money for the book right now, I do have the site though, for reference sources at least. |
| 00:14.12 | Dajova | you probably didnt see the last msg i sent you before i released my ui :) |
| 00:14.24 | DarthAndroid_ | nope, I didn't |
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| 00:14.42 | sade | lulia, looking for making a frame movable? |
| 00:14.52 | Iriel | Dajova: So a common font string problem is to have the font string (directly, or due to its anchors) become too small as it's scaled, so that the text doesn't fit. I usually test for that by creating a slightly opaque texture and SetAllPoints'ing it to the FontString |
| 00:14.52 | Dajova | well, i fixed the SetFormatedText by removing the 3rd argument |
| 00:15.02 | sade | wowpedia:HOWTOS has a nice lil bit on that |
| 00:15.07 | Lulia | Well, I made it movable, but I need to make it so it's only movable if the mouse is clicked down over the frame |
| 00:15.17 | Iriel | Dajova: Then if you scale the string and the shaded texture doesn't get bigger, you know there's an anchoring problem. |
| 00:15.18 | sade | read wowpedia howtos |
| 00:15.20 | Lulia | Otherwise it just follows the mouse at an odd offset whenever the mouse moves. |
| 00:15.24 | Lulia | Ah |
| 00:15.31 | Lulia | Thanks :) |
| 00:15.51 | Iriel | Dajova: If it does get bigger, make sure it's got some wiggle room relative to the text due to rounding (you said earlier you think it's twice the size it needs to be so that may be a non-issue) |
| 00:16.11 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: OnMouseDown -> StartMoving ;; OnMouseUp -> StopMovingOrSizing |
| 00:16.16 | Dajova | Iriel: alright, ill have it a go |
| 00:16.33 | Lulia | Yes, Darth, I get that much but I can't find the OnMouseDown in the API, going to look at this how-to |
| 00:16.38 | Dajova | Iriel: a simple SetTexture would do the trick, right? |
| 00:17.01 | DarthAndroid_ | frame:SetScript("OnMouseDown",function(self, button) ... end) |
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| 00:17.29 | sade | lulia http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_Draggable_Frames |
| 00:17.33 | DarthAndroid_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnMouseDown |
| 00:17.46 | Lulia | Yeah, I'm reading it on WoWPedia |
| 00:17.51 | Lulia | The HOW-TO that is |
| 00:18.13 | Lulia | And Darth, thanks, I didn't realize it was a handler :X |
| 00:18.13 | sade | you can adapt the xml for lua |
| 00:18.32 | Lulia | There's a lua section towards the bottom of the page :) |
| 00:18.42 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/Making_Draggable_Frames |
| 00:18.56 | DarthAndroid_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers <-- you might like this, was very informative for me :) |
| 00:19.15 | sade | nice |
| 00:21.13 | Iriel | Dajova: Well, a CreateTexture, then a SetTexture yup |
| 00:21.26 | Iriel | DarthAndroid_: the wowprogramming one is a bit better IMHO |
| 00:21.41 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 00:21.51 | Lulia | function(self) is new to me |
| 00:21.58 | Lulia | How do you make a function without a name? |
| 00:22.16 | Iriel | Closures (functions) are just objects |
| 00:22.31 | Iriel | lua> A = function() print "hello"; end; B = A; B() |
| 00:22.31 | lua_bot | Iriel: hello |
| 00:22.47 | Iriel | function A(blah) is roughly equivalent to A = function(blah) |
| 00:23.33 | Lulia | That made no sense to me :( |
| 00:23.55 | Iriel | functions dont have names, the 'names' are the variables that the functions have been assigned to |
| 00:24.18 | Lulia | Ah, hmm |
| 00:24.43 | Lulia | What happens if I assign a function a value? |
| 00:24.56 | Iriel | You replace the function with the value... |
| 00:25.13 | Lulia | Oh, okay, I get it now. Sorry for being brain dead there for a second. |
| 00:25.14 | Iriel | lua> function A() return "hi"; end print(tostring(A)) A = 7 print(tostring(A)) |
| 00:25.14 | lua_bot | Iriel: function: 0x9830b30, 7 |
| 00:25.44 | Lulia | Functions are just variables with a function assigned as the value, that's what you said more-or-less |
| 00:25.52 | Lulia | I just didn't read it that way for whatever reason |
| 00:25.55 | Lulia | Or, well |
| 00:26.07 | Dajova | ok... SetScale(1.5) http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1861/15sa.png SetScale(1) http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9332/87755093.png |
| 00:26.08 | Lulia | Functions with names are just variables with a function assigned as the value. |
| 00:26.30 | Iriel | Dajova: Hm, wierd. Can you pastey your code? |
| 00:26.41 | DarthAndroid_ | lua> print("test") |
| 00:26.41 | lua_bot | DarthAndroid_: test |
| 00:26.47 | DarthAndroid_ | :D |
| 00:27.01 | DarthAndroid_ | lua> print(tostring(os.execute)) |
| 00:27.01 | lua_bot | DarthAndroid_: nil |
| 00:27.04 | DarthAndroid_ | :) |
| 00:27.20 | Dajova | http://www.pastey.net/142051 |
| 00:28.00 | Dajova | the settemplate is only for testing purpose :) |
| 00:28.15 | Lulia | I'm used to surrounding if statements in parentheses, but I haven't seen it yet in Lua. However, the example for draggable frames uses: if ( self.isMoving ) in its example. Why is it suddenly using parentheses? |
| 00:28.28 | Iriel | Readability |
| 00:28.37 | Baps | you can always use parens if you want |
| 00:28.41 | Baps | but you are not required to |
| 00:28.54 | Lulia | But there needs to be a space padding the parentheses from the variable? |
| 00:28.58 | DarthAndroid_ | no |
| 00:28.58 | Baps | nope |
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| 00:29.09 | Lulia | :-/ |
| 00:29.26 | Iriel | The stock blizzard UI code uses spaces a lot, so folks often try and follow that convention |
| 00:29.33 | Iriel | I tend to be less space-y, but I still like parens. |
| 00:29.37 | Lulia | Well thanks, I don't understand why he uses parentheses for one if statement and not another. |
| 00:29.38 | DarthAndroid_ | you just wind up with code like this without them: if not somevariable and vairable == 1 then print"test" return end |
| 00:29.48 | Lulia | I like parens too, I avoided them in case it would cause conflict though. |
| 00:30.21 | Iriel | Dajova: Can you skip the *ui_fscale's from your setwidth/setheight, that's going to confuse matters |
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| 00:30.50 | Dajova | That's only there to follow the scale of the frame |
| 00:30.57 | DarthAndroid_ | ? |
| 00:31.03 | DarthAndroid_ | the scale is followed with SetScale() ? |
| 00:31.12 | Dajova | all the variables is in a separate config file |
| 00:31.16 | Lulia | I've learned so much over the course of the weekend :D |
| 00:31.26 | Iriel | Yes, but the frame's scale makes it appear wider and higher already |
| 00:31.33 | Iriel | so you're compounding the effect |
| 00:31.47 | Dajova | Darth:Nono, i use a code so the frame inc with the scale |
| 00:31.55 | DarthAndroid_ | (also dajova, why are you using SetScale(). Tukz would be disappointed!) |
| 00:32.15 | Dajova | Cause i wanna make the fontsize bigger, but i cant! |
| 00:32.21 | Dajova | 35 seems to be the limit |
| 00:32.26 | Dajova | witch is extremly bad |
| 00:32.50 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: yes, but as you increase ui_fscale, the height and width of your frame will increase at 2*ui_fscale |
| 00:33.00 | Iriel | DarthAndroid_: actually it's ui_fscale ^ 2 |
| 00:33.07 | Dajova | well |
| 00:33.08 | DarthAndroid_ | Iriel: good point |
| 00:33.10 | Dajova | even so |
| 00:33.21 | Iriel | I still can't see why this code doesn't work |
| 00:33.28 | Dajova | the font size doesnt inc anyway |
| 00:34.24 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.29 | Dajova | i can try to use ui_fsize*ui_fscale in the SetFont, but i dont think it has any benefit |
| 00:34.32 | Iriel | Dajova: can you assign your font string to a global variable for testing, say .. ComboCountFS, then do /dump ComboCountFS:GetEffectiveScale() ? |
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| 00:36.43 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: odd, I can't get my text to get bigger either (32 is the cap for me, btw) |
| 00:36.49 | DarthAndroid_ | scaling does nothing |
| 00:37.22 | kbrosnan | any api that will return the roles of party or raid members looked at the wowwiki api page but there are a lot of stuff to look at |
| 00:37.36 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: |
| 00:37.40 | DarthAndroid_ | Use SetTextHeight |
| 00:37.43 | DarthAndroid_ | works perfectly |
| 00:37.55 | Dajova | http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t17559-ui_help_center/p85/#post1299933 |
| 00:38.01 | Dajova | :S |
| 00:38.32 | Lulia | Hmm, added the script and it's not moving. Odd. |
| 00:38.46 | Dajova | Darth: U mean after SetFont? |
| 00:38.51 | DarthAndroid_ | yes |
| 00:38.56 | Dajova | ill test |
| 00:38.58 | DarthAndroid_ | set the fontsize to 35 |
| 00:39.13 | DarthAndroid_ | then settextheight to whatever size you actually want it |
| 00:39.29 | DarthAndroid_ | settextheight only scales the image, so it'll still look pixelated at large sizes |
| 00:39.40 | Lulia | I presume that button is a global variable that WoW uses? |
| 00:40.11 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: "LeftButton" "RightButton" and "Button3" are common things to be passed |
| 00:40.40 | Lulia | In the script in the HOW-TO it has if button == "LeftButton" |
| 00:40.52 | DarthAndroid_ | right |
| 00:40.54 | Lulia | which doesn't make sense if button isn't given a value anywhere |
| 00:41.00 | DarthAndroid_ | nono |
| 00:41.10 | DarthAndroid_ | remember function(self, button) ? |
| 00:41.30 | Dajova | Darth: Yay, it works... but yeah, its a bit pixelrated :P |
| 00:41.31 | Lulia | the example just uses function(self) |
| 00:41.33 | DarthAndroid_ | it's the second argument passed to the script handler by the wow engine when a frame is clicked |
| 00:41.38 | DarthAndroid_ | oh |
| 00:41.39 | DarthAndroid_ | hmm |
| 00:41.40 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/Making_Draggable_Frames |
| 00:42.27 | Lulia | In the Lua section, under the OnMouseDown OnMouseUp section |
| 00:42.32 | DarthAndroid_ | it should be function(self, button) |
| 00:42.34 | DarthAndroid_ | i'm pretty sure |
| 00:43.19 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: lol, my bitmap pixel font doesn't pixelate at all, because it's supposed to be pixely to begin with |
| 00:43.37 | Dajova | well |
| 00:43.42 | Dajova | mine is a bit more detailed :P |
| 00:43.46 | Lulia | That was the issue, Darth |
| 00:44.02 | DarthAndroid_ | Lulia: wikis are just that sometimes :( |
| 00:44.05 | Lulia | I'll look into editing that article. I dont think I have a log-in on WoWPedia |
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| 00:46.25 | DarthAndroid_ | kbrosnan: you might try looking at GetRaidRosterInfo and see if blizz stuck that info in there |
| 00:46.32 | Lulia | I fixed the wowpedia page, thanks to you, Darth :) |
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| 00:46.38 | kbrosnan | thanks |
| 00:48.06 | DarthAndroid_ | Anyone else having issues with ArkInventory? |
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| 00:50.08 | Jerub | DarthAndroid_: yes, it fails to load sometimes. |
| 00:50.33 | Jerub | and either atlasloot or arkinventory (don't know which) was causing me to have trouble looting in instances. |
| 00:50.53 | DarthAndroid_ | is failing to load 100% of the time starting today, 0 trouble with it earlier :( |
| 00:51.20 | Jerub | dbm is failing to load for me at the moment. |
| 00:51.27 | Jerub | had a ui error when reglyphing and now it's broken |
| 00:51.36 | DarthAndroid_ | latest alpha is working fine for me o.0 |
| 00:51.48 | DarthAndroid_ | then again I haven't done much reglyphing |
| 00:54.09 | Jerub | yeah, applying vanishing powder to my maul glyph before saurfang left me without dbm for the rest of that run |
| 00:54.14 | Jerub | and it seems the problem has persisted |
| 00:54.40 | DarthAndroid_ | odd |
| 01:01.29 | Baps | man, I just cannot find the border I want. |
| 01:01.53 | Baps | the thin line that you get in the Blizzard interface config.. |
| 01:01.59 | Baps | that's the one I'm after |
| 01:02.26 | Ackis | anyone know an addon that will refresh a who display for a specifc zone/zone you're in? |
| 01:06.51 | Thunder_Child | call of the grand crusade/a tribute to skill/a tribute to mad skill/a tribute to insanity/ in one run....i need to play more |
| 01:14.10 | Ackis | I need to play with who you're playing with :( |
| 01:14.24 | MoonWitch|Mobile | that sounded so dirty |
| 01:14.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | I like it |
| 01:15.27 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: yeah I did that with Sarth =P |
| 01:15.43 | Wobin | although we had to do 1D, cause we were 8 manning it |
| 01:16.06 | Thunder_Child | and i got the mount |
| 01:16.09 | Thunder_Child | but that was luck |
| 01:16.10 | Wobin | haha, nice |
| 01:16.38 | DarthAndroid_ | I lost the 25m mount with a 96 >.> |
| 01:20.07 | Ackis | I don't think I've done a full 25 man |
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| 01:24.03 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: your guild recruiting? :( |
| 01:24.14 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: we are actually a pvp guild |
| 01:24.28 | Ackis | derp |
| 01:24.40 | cog|away | herp |
| 01:24.44 | Thunder_Child | we just happen to have some of the best from the server pecause they would rather pvp |
| 01:25.32 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: yes. but you have to be awesome in pvp to get in |
| 01:25.52 | Ackis | cogwheel: change your name to hairycog! |
| 01:26.01 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: ah I don't know how good I'm at pvp |
| 01:26.06 | Jerub | my regular icc10 group hit hm's this week instead of racing to the lk. |
| 01:26.14 | Jerub | we hit first 4 on hm without a wipe. |
| 01:26.15 | Jerub | :D |
| 01:26.26 | Jerub | i hadn't done hard marrowgar or saurfang before |
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| 01:30.05 | Wobin | whut, cogwheel with hair? |
| 01:30.31 | cogwheel | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=253835&id=563064469&l=33471ebfe5 |
| 01:30.58 | Thunder_Child | what? was that the ONE time you took off your hat? |
| 01:31.20 | cogwheel | i think he's referring to the hair below my glasses... |
| 01:31.55 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 01:32.37 | Wobin | well, a hat like that, who'd wear another? |
| 01:33.01 | Wobin | forget that hat, and find a cover! |
| 01:33.16 | Wobin | (one of your own kind, stick to your own kind =P) |
| 01:35.41 | Lulia | So I've been looking at the WoWPedia information on creating an AddOn panel in the Interface -> AddOns menu and then the stuff on making a CheckBox. I ended up with this: http://paste.wowace.com/2685/ however, it's not creating a CheckBox in the panel. Am I missing something? |
| 01:37.03 | Lulia | It's a relatively small bit of script, just the stuff for creating the panel and the stuff for creating the check box. |
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| 01:42.35 | Thunder_Child | hmm..so rignt now my moonfire with 3 stacks of whatever it's called costs 3 mana, and does 135% extra dmg |
| 01:43.43 | Wobin | ... 3... mana? |
| 01:44.10 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: nice |
| 01:44.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:44.17 | Thunder_Child | granted, i am only 64 |
| 01:44.32 | Thunder_Child | so base mana is 276 |
| 01:44.36 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Moonglow_%28Druid_talent%29 |
| 01:44.43 | Thunder_Child | it does 90% reduction |
| 01:44.56 | Thunder_Child | it's amazing that bilzz is rewarding moonfire spam |
| 01:45.18 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i think it's amazing i can cast wrath in tree of life :P |
| 01:45.22 | Wobin | shouldn't it do.. uh 9%? |
| 01:45.44 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 01:45.50 | Jerub | wrong talent then |
| 01:45.52 | Thunder_Child | each stact reduces by 30% |
| 01:45.55 | Thunder_Child | stack |
| 01:46.03 | Thunder_Child | Lunart shower |
| 01:46.06 | Jerub | ah, but 90% + 9% :) |
| 01:46.08 | Thunder_Child | is the talent |
| 01:46.14 | Thunder_Child | Lunar* |
| 01:46.21 | Lulia | lol, I figured: I'll look and see how other addons made check boxes in the Interface panel, only to find that most of them are using libs to do so |
| 01:46.23 | Lulia | :( |
| 01:46.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=33605 |
| 01:48.45 | Wobin | so you can sit there and spam moonfire forever? |
| 01:48.51 | DarthAndroid_ | no |
| 01:48.54 | DarthAndroid_ | you have to keep moving |
| 01:48.59 | DarthAndroid_ | but otherwise, yeah :) |
| 01:49.03 | DarthAndroid_ | moonfire kite |
| 01:49.16 | DarthAndroid_ | at 80 it hits for about 10K crit |
| 01:51.11 | Lulia | Hmm, maybe it's the fact that I tried putting it in a container frame |
| 01:54.49 | Lulia | Quick question: Do I need to set a checkbox name, or is the checkbox variable good enough? |
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| 01:55.30 | amro | good enough for what? |
| 01:55.47 | Lulia | If I want to refer to the checkbox |
| 01:55.58 | Lulia | I can just refer to it via the variable, no? I don't need a name... |
| 01:56.28 | amro | yeah the name is not a language-level construct |
| 01:56.47 | Lulia | What's the purpose of the name? |
| 01:57.15 | amro | I think it creates a global by that name |
| 01:57.31 | amro | useful for use with /framestack |
| 01:59.30 | Lulia | I see, thanks :) |
| 02:00.58 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oh yes Ackis? I think I've found it :) |
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| 02:05.36 | kd3 | whee; back in one piece |
| 02:05.42 | MoonWitch|Mobile | wb |
| 02:05.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | :) |
| 02:05.48 | kd3 | I've forgotten how much I hate LAX |
| 02:05.50 | kd3 | grrs |
| 02:05.52 | MoonWitch|Mobile | lol |
| 02:06.09 | MoonWitch|Mobile | never been there, I consider myself lucky :) |
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| 02:09.46 | bleeter | wb kd3 |
| 02:09.57 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 02:10.14 | Thunder_Child | kd3: could be worse |
| 02:14.31 | kd3 | worse than lax? |
| 02:15.04 | Lulia | What's the difference between "getglobal(checkbutton:GetName() .. 'Text'):SetText(displayname);" and "CheckButton:SetText(displayname);" ? |
| 02:15.51 | Thunder_Child | kd3: yes |
| 02:15.52 | kd3 | you're accessing the global version of "checkbutton" versus the locally scoped one |
| 02:16.08 | kd3 | er, wait |
| 02:16.10 | Lulia | Is that better, worse? |
| 02:16.11 | kd3 | looks at that again |
| 02:19.01 | kd3 | unless there's a crazy reason, I'd use the latter one |
| 02:19.31 | Lulia | See, that's what I want to use, but the author of the wowpedia page recommended the former one. |
| 02:19.36 | Lulia | Saying it was easier to read |
| 02:19.39 | Lulia | Which is just nuts to me |
| 02:19.48 | kd3 | which article? |
| 02:19.56 | Lulia | http://www.wowpedia.org/UIOBJECT_CheckButton |
| 02:23.47 | kd3 | oh, right checkbuttons are weird. remember that your latter option would bet CheckButtonText:SetText() not CheckButton:SetText() |
| 02:23.59 | kd3 | s/bet/be/ |
| 02:24.21 | amro | also, don't use getglobal(s), use _G[s] |
| 02:24.31 | amro | updates the page on wp |
| 02:25.09 | Lulia | I have to add Text to the variable name? |
| 02:25.18 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:25.20 | Lulia | ... |
| 02:25.30 | kd3 | like I said... checkbuttons are weird |
| 02:25.47 | Lulia | Well, thanks :) |
| 02:26.56 | amro | Lulia: you can also just do CheckButtonText:SetText |
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| 02:28.30 | Lulia | Odd |
| 02:28.41 | Lulia | the GetChecked() wp page says it returns 1 or nil |
| 02:28.44 | Lulia | It's not boolean? |
| 02:29.04 | amro | !api GetChecked |
| 02:29.04 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GetChecked': CheckButton:GetChecked, CheckButton:GetCheckedTexture |
| 02:29.11 | kd3 | returning 1/nil is pretty common in the wow api |
| 02:29.32 | Lulia | Alright, I'll take note of that. Thanks. |
| 02:29.38 | Lulia | Seems sort of unintuitive. |
| 02:29.53 | amro | lua_pushnumber/lua_pushnil is easier to type than lua_pushboolean |
| 02:30.15 | Iriel | Lulia: it's bad practice to assume directly ==true and ==false, the standard if (X) or if (not X) lua idiom is far safer and also more readable |
| 02:30.21 | amro | Lulia: it's not that unintuitive as it will still evaluate the way you expect it too in an expression |
| 02:30.35 | amro | to |
| 02:30.53 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 02:31.21 | amro | lua> bool=nil; if (bool==false) then print("false") end |
| 02:31.21 | lua_bot | amro: No output |
| 02:31.33 | amro | oops |
| 02:31.40 | amro | lua> if (bool==false) then print("false") end |
| 02:31.40 | lua_bot | amro: No output |
| 02:32.11 | amro | oh crap I fail, I should not be doing stuff at 3:30 |
| 02:32.39 | Lulia | lol >.> |
| 02:32.46 | Lulia | You're still loads better than me! |
| 02:33.44 | sade | is it possible to msg lua bot? |
| 02:33.47 | amro | yes |
| 02:33.53 | amro | oh wait yeah, that's what I meant to do |
| 02:33.54 | sade | syntax? |
| 02:33.56 | Lulia | WoW just shot me an error saying "CheckButtonText" (I literally used CheckButton for the var name) was a nil value. |
| 02:34.03 | Lulia | lua> |
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| 02:34.09 | sade | i mean private |
| 02:34.22 | amro | lua> if (not bool) then print("false") end |
| 02:34.22 | lua_bot | amro: false |
| 02:34.46 | amro | nil evalutates to false in a boolean expression, but it's not equal to false |
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| 02:35.39 | Lulia | Anyone know why Wo |
| 02:35.52 | Lulia | WoW* is throwing an error for me following the syntax? |
| 02:40.50 | sade | this is driving me crazy! |
| 02:41.33 | sade | it cant be that hard to anchor to Bartender |
| 02:42.42 | Lulia | >.> |
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| 02:54.11 | Lulia | Well, sweet. Got the toggle showing and such, but it's not actually letting me move the frame when toggled on or off. Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot this? |
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| 02:56.37 | sade | im busy with me own |
| 02:56.56 | sade | i dont know alot anyway though |
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| 02:57.00 | Lulia | oh, doh, I think I may have found it anyways |
| 02:57.01 | Lulia | lol |
| 02:57.19 | Lulia | If this is it I'm going to smash my head into a wall and put an end to everything... |
| 02:57.25 | p3lim | someone say my name, just testing a script |
| 02:58.02 | Lulia | I is dumb, I figured it out. |
| 02:58.05 | Lulia | p3lim, hi |
| 02:58.19 | p3lim | thanks |
| 03:01.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | gah I bit a piece of filling out again |
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| 03:04.36 | p3lim | mind saying it again? |
| 03:06.28 | Lulia | So, when I started today, I couldn't even get an image texture to work. Right now I've got the image texture working on a frame, the image changes on certain events (specifically unit power changes) and it's draggable. |
| 03:06.53 | Lulia | On top of that, you can lock its position by checking off a box in a panel for the addon in the interface menu |
| 03:06.54 | Lulia | :) |
| 03:07.17 | Thunder_Child | p3lim: |
| 03:07.19 | Lulia | You guys are awesome :D |
| 03:08.10 | Jamash | sweet |
| 03:08.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | p3lim you are amazing |
| 03:08.41 | MoonWitch|Mobile | cuz I wanted to say something random with your name in it and provoke Cide to say something again |
| 03:08.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | anyhow, I am off to bed :) (right after I set my DLs again) |
| 03:09.03 | Lulia | Oh, how odd, SetBackdropColor doesn't use normal RGB values? |
| 03:09.14 | MoonWitch|Mobile | it's between 1 and 0 |
| 03:09.21 | MoonWitch|Mobile | so normal RGB/ |
| 03:09.23 | Lulia | I noticed, that's odd |
| 03:09.26 | MoonWitch|Mobile | oops |
| 03:09.29 | Lulia | It's not 0-255 |
| 03:09.32 | MoonWitch|Mobile | normal RGB/55 |
| 03:09.35 | MoonWitch|Mobile | 255* |
| 03:09.44 | Lulia | Hmm |
| 03:09.45 | MoonWitch|Mobile | gah (RDC makes my numlock turn itself off) |
| 03:09.46 | Lulia | Thanks |
| 03:10.29 | Lulia | do I use nil to get rid of the backdropcolor when I'm done? Or should I just set it to 0 opacity? |
| 03:12.59 | MoonWitch|Mobile | set opacity to 0 |
| 03:13.06 | MoonWitch|Mobile | setting it to nil would cause an error I think |
| 03:13.44 | MoonWitch|Mobile | or use a SetBackdrop when the frame is editable/dragable and no set backdrop when it's not? |
| 03:13.53 | MoonWitch|Mobile | (I wasn't following everything to be honest) |
| 03:14.19 | MoonWitch|Mobile | anyhow.. Lulia good luck :) |
| 03:14.22 | MoonWitch|Mobile | nite nite folks |
| 03:15.05 | Dajova | im so tired of all the coding ive done today, but i still can't sleep xD |
| 03:16.32 | Mirrormn | I managed to get almost 30 solid minutes of coding in today |
| 03:16.34 | Mirrormn | man I'm good |
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| 03:22.21 | Lulia | Boo, SetBackdropColor isn't working :( |
| 03:22.36 | Iriel | does your frame have a backdrop? |
| 03:22.52 | Lulia | Oh... I need to use both SetBackdrop and SetBackdropColor? |
| 03:22.59 | Lulia | I thought SetBackdrop was only for images. |
| 03:23.33 | Kraps | back |
| 03:25.33 | Mirrormn | SetBackdropColor is essentially SetVertexColor on whatever texture you've used for SetBackdrop |
| 03:25.35 | Mirrormn | I believe |
| 03:27.21 | Lulia | Hmm, is it the best way for me to color the background of a frame? |
| 03:28.49 | Kraps | Veneretio quit wow :( |
| 03:29.01 | Lulia | Really? |
| 03:29.05 | Lulia | How did you find that out? |
| 03:29.29 | Kraps | http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/10/24/the-end/ |
| 03:30.06 | Lulia | That's sad :( |
| 03:30.10 | Lulia | But ah well, it happens |
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| 03:32.06 | p3lim | finally |
| 03:32.12 | p3lim | p3lim |
| 03:32.13 | p3lim | hm |
| 03:32.26 | p3lim | someone else say my name please |
| 03:32.55 | Kraps | my name |
| 03:33.01 | Kraps | please |
| 03:33.11 | Kraps | p3lim |
| 03:33.25 | p3lim | worked great |
| 03:33.26 | Jerub | my name |
| 03:33.55 | amro | too slow Jerub |
| 03:38.02 | Kraps | this brings to mind http://www.cracked.com/video_18156_a-trailer-every-academy-award-winning-movie-ever.html |
| 03:39.18 | Kraps | husky ftw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtPUQ7GeHUo |
| 03:40.28 | Lulia | Day9 ftw |
| 03:40.58 | Lulia | So, following the API reference exactly for SetBackdrop, I actually managed to get the background to look like the game's tooltip, which is sort of neat so I decided to keep it. |
| 03:41.21 | Lulia | But just out of curiosity, if I wanted to just fill the background of a frame with a solid color, would SetBackdropColor still be the best way to go about it? |
| 03:41.31 | Iriel | Lulia: it's quicker just to use a texture |
| 03:42.21 | Lulia | You mean to create a solid color image? |
| 03:42.24 | Lulia | And just use that? |
| 03:43.05 | Iriel | Well, no image |
| 03:43.16 | amro | Kraps: yeah the start is hilarious |
| 03:43.35 | Iriel | local bg = myframe:CreateTexture("BACKGROUND") bg:SetAllPoints(myframe) bg:SetTexture(0,0,0,0.2) |
| 03:43.38 | Iriel | or something like that |
| 03:44.40 | Iriel | Sorry that should be CreateTexture(nil, "BACKGROUND") |
| 03:45.02 | Lulia | Ah |
| 03:45.11 | Lulia | Thanks :), good to know |
| 03:45.45 | Lulia | I think I'm pretty happy with today's progress |
| 03:45.53 | Lulia | It's actually functioning enough to do its basic purpose |
| 03:46.05 | Lulia | At this point everything else is to help other people customize it for themselves |
| 03:46.10 | Lulia | And to find ways to make it more efficient |
| 03:46.17 | Lulia | And also add other class resource systems :) |
| 03:46.26 | Lulia | Right now it only works with Sould Shards and Holy Power |
| 03:47.32 | Lulia | Right now there's like a .5 sec lag between me doing something to gain HPW and it showing up on the image |
| 03:47.45 | Lulia | I wonder if that's just how long it takes for the game to register it, or something I'm doing |
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| 03:50.08 | Lulia | Oh, hmm |
| 03:50.17 | Lulia | The location of the frame isn't being saved when I log out |
| 03:51.49 | Lulia | Isn't it supposed to be saved to some layout file? |
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| 03:58.30 | PProvost | WHat site are people using these days for gear profiles/theory crafting. Is any one better than another? |
| 03:59.35 | Jerub | right now? i'm not doing any theory crafting beyond using the in-game tooltip + reforging to balance hit cap |
| 03:59.47 | Jerub | i hope something good pops up for cata |
| 04:00.02 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: you know how i was saying the other day i had to reforge to get under hitcap? |
| 04:00.25 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i upgraded two gear pieces, and went from 8% to 12% chance to hit, and had to reforge again to get under cap again :P |
| 04:04.39 | PProvost | I thought I remembered people using a new one during the beta / right around launch |
| 04:04.42 | PProvost | But I can't find the URL |
| 04:05.15 | Kraps | man GC is so twitchy |
| 04:05.36 | kd3 | it's all the gin drinking at the blizzcon afterparties |
| 04:05.53 | Jerub | Kraps: irl or on the forum? |
| 04:05.57 | Kraps | irl |
| 04:06.14 | Kraps | when he talk especially |
| 04:06.19 | Kraps | talks* |
| 04:08.48 | Lulia | Thanks for the help tonight, guys |
| 04:08.53 | Lulia | Will work on it more later :) |
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| 04:13.19 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 04:13.42 | Jerub | i want to run a succesful guild for the sole purpose of forcing 25 man raid teams to use mumble so i don't have to deal with shitty vent anymore. |
| 04:13.43 | Kraps | y so sigh Jerub? |
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| 04:14.58 | sade | make a guild on korgath, ill join it :D |
| 04:16.04 | Jerub | first i have to have an 80 on korgath then :P |
| 04:16.21 | sade | are you ally or horde? |
| 04:16.30 | Jerub | um, i have 80s on both |
| 04:16.45 | sade | sweet, what classes? |
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| 04:22.20 | Arrowmaster | fucking planes, now my back hurts |
| 04:24.28 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: at least you didn't have to walk |
| 04:33.16 | Kraps | the older lady asking for a closet got the most applause |
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| 04:34.13 | Xuerian | Greh.. any curse site staff here? |
| 04:35.46 | sade | hey, someone mind lookin at this video i made showcasing my addon and tell me what you think. it uses faceshooter to suggest shots, but i made it highlight the next shot on action bar instead of showing an icon of what spell to shoot |
| 04:36.01 | sade | http://www.wegame.com/watch/frontend/ |
| 04:37.14 | Jerub | sade: it gave me a veet ad |
| 04:37.24 | Jerub | now i want to do hair removal to get silky smoothness |
| 04:37.33 | Kraps | Jerub:... |
| 04:37.36 | sade | lol |
| 04:37.43 | sade | it will play after |
| 04:38.22 | Jerub | and now there's a scrolling ad at the bottom showing me a singles website |
| 04:38.25 | Jerub | oh now i can see |
| 04:38.33 | Jerub | oh, another ad came up, for rail europe |
| 04:38.37 | Jerub | can't see action bar anymore |
| 04:38.41 | sade | wff |
| 04:38.45 | Dagmar | Sade: Are those highlights tied to the bar or will they show up in a more elaborate button layer? |
| 04:38.46 | Jerub | but i saw the green highlighting thing |
| 04:38.48 | Dagmar | er layout? |
| 04:39.35 | Xuerian | ... lol? curse login div doesn't even come up for me on ff. |
| 04:39.37 | sade | there are 7 frames anchored to bartender4 buttons |
| 04:39.46 | Dagmar | I've got a boooonch of buttons. 18 on one end for G-keys and like sixteen on the other side for numpad binds |
| 04:40.00 | sade | it anchors to first 7 buttons |
| 04:40.03 | sade | on bar 1 |
| 04:40.07 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 04:40.32 | sade | im gonna add more functionality and flexiblity. first addon ever |
| 04:40.39 | Dagmar | I am starting to get the feeling Blizz means for us to really work for our loots in Cata |
| 04:40.57 | Dagmar | Seems like all three of my toons have more conditionals to watch than before |
| 04:41.04 | sade | yeah |
| 04:41.11 | Dagmar | ...but using them has jacked up DPS quite a bit on all three |
| 04:41.38 | sade | hunter got kinda crazy, too much stuff for me to watch at one time |
| 04:42.01 | Dagmar | I'm still not certain it can't go even higher, but even my half-assed attempt at winging it on the heroic dummy got me almost 4700 DPS where I was hitting 3600 DPS before |
| 04:42.12 | Jerub | arcane hasn't changed a huge amount, and power auras are built in now |
| 04:42.13 | Dagmar | No buffs but the gimped hawk |
| 04:42.40 | Dagmar | The 'lock is throwing down almost 6k at times, hovering around 5500 |
| 04:42.47 | Kraps | GC was like "wtf" at all the cheering at the insane in the membrane achievement |
| 04:42.55 | Dagmar | *and I can't run out of mana on the bloody warlock* |
| 04:43.00 | sade | lol |
| 04:43.03 | Jerub | Kraps: cheering that it's going away? |
| 04:43.18 | Wobin | spriests are doing some serious dps |
| 04:43.30 | Jerub | my mage can hit 9k in heroics. |
| 04:43.38 | Wobin | I'm hitting 5-6k dps in heroics in relatively terrible gear |
| 04:43.39 | Kraps | Jerub: no, that they might bring it back if theres a demand |
| 04:43.45 | Dagmar | I don't even KNOW what these toons will do in heroics |
| 04:44.04 | sade | i wanna make a mage... |
| 04:44.04 | Dagmar | I was pounding out 5.5-6k all the time on the hunter before |
| 04:44.39 | Dagmar | I did a lot of banging on PitBull last night |
| 04:44.51 | Dagmar | I'm liking DogTags more and more every time I mess with it. |
| 04:45.24 | Kraps | [12:44:40]<Dagmar>I did a lot of banging on PitBull last night <---- hot |
| 04:46.00 | Dagmar | Kraps: If I can find the bloody lua file I'll show you something just flashy in a sec |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | Damn Windows 7 |
| 04:50.30 | Hirsute | What does Windows 7 have to do with it? |
| 04:50.59 | Dagmar | It squirrels the SavedVariables files away somewhere weird |
| 04:51.28 | Hirsute | Only if you install the game in Program Files. |
| 04:51.41 | Hirsute | Or another special-to-the-system location. |
| 04:51.43 | Dagmar | That *would* be the correct place to install the game |
| 04:51.48 | Hirsute | No |
| 04:51.51 | Dagmar | Actually, yes. |
| 04:51.53 | Hirsute | Not since Windows Vista. |
| 04:52.01 | sade | Public/Games |
| 04:52.14 | Dagmar | That's if you want all users able to modify the giles |
| 04:52.17 | Dagmar | er files |
| 04:52.30 | Hirsute | No, unless you want to deal with exactly the stupidity you're having to deal with now. |
| 04:54.35 | Dagmar | Hirsute: It's not stupid to actually use filesystem ACLs |
| 04:54.52 | Dagmar | It's just moderately annoying compared to Windows' previous "Let's let everyone write to everything" behaviour |
| 04:54.59 | Dagmar | Kraps: This.. [if IsMaxMP then\n Outline MP\nelse\n Alpha(Sin(Pi * (HP / MaxMP) / 2)) MP\nend] |
| 04:55.31 | Kraps | thats...cool? |
| 04:55.32 | Dagmar | Kraps: just for sheer showiness, the mana count fades out as it approaches zero |
| 04:55.45 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:55.59 | sade | sexy |
| 04:56.34 | Dagmar | ...and this [if IsMaxMP & IsMaxHP then Outline end] [Name (AFK or DND):Angle] [if HasSoulstone then "*" end] |
| 04:57.05 | Dagmar | Whoever I put the soulstone on just gets an asterisk after their name |
| 04:57.36 | Dagmar | ...or more accurately, whoever _has_ a soulstone buff does |
| 04:57.50 | Hirsute | Dagmar: It's stupid to hide the frigging files in some retarded location. I've got no issue with using Filesystem ACLS, but until Windows can do it in a way that isn't dumber than a box of rocks, I'd rather just trust that my wife (the only other user on my machine) isn't going to do anything naughty with my SV files. |
| 04:58.05 | Dagmar | Hirsute: They're not hidden, although the directory they are is. |
| 04:58.40 | Dagmar | It also dramatically speeds up backups when none C:\Program Files has to be looked over all the time |
| 04:59.19 | Dagmar | Plus, roaming profiles stuff makes that data follow you around (when you beat roaming profiles into behaving) |
| 04:59.22 | Jerub | bwahaha |
| 04:59.23 | Jerub | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401645030/dear-zarhym/ |
| 04:59.44 | Hirsute | If they're in a directory that's hidden, they're hidden. I wasn't exactly talking about the +H file attribute. If it's hard for the user to find it because it's in a location that isn't logical or readily apparent, it's effectively hidden. |
| 05:00.46 | Dagmar | Well, the AppData directory is marked hidden, which means I have to actually type in the path if I don't want desktop.ini files popping up all over the place |
| 05:01.24 | Dagmar | I'll take that over having to curse at a lack of config data if I swap to a different machine |
| 05:02.15 | Hirsute | Assuming you've set up a domain, and all the machines you're using are in that domain, sure. |
| 05:02.21 | Dagmar | I have. |
| 05:02.27 | Dagmar | I have a lot of bloody computers over here. |
| 05:02.47 | Dagmar | I make the ones that aren't desktops earn their keep |
| 05:03.08 | Hirsute | But the thing is, there's absolutely no reason it has to be in a hidden folder, let alone multiple levels deep in that folder, to make that work. |
| 05:04.47 | Dagmar | Hey, I'm just glad Windows finally seems to understand what it means to compartmentalize data |
| 05:04.59 | Hirsute | I use Windows, I've got no inherent hate for it, but in this case, this is something that was poorly implemented. |
| 05:05.33 | Dagmar | No arguments with that |
| 05:06.01 | Hirsute | And it's far easier, in most cases, to move programs that want to save configurations within their program trees out of the program files folder, than to spend time, every time I want to manually access that configuration, hunting down the files. |
| 05:07.06 | Hirsute | But, meh. Time for me to get back to trying to figure out why MoveAnything and LibExtraTip have stopped playing well together. |
| 05:07.40 | amro | Hirsute: the whole clusterfuck is microsoft's fault for not enforcing the rules earlier |
| 05:07.53 | amro | and for not using the home directory in a sane manner |
| 05:14.45 | Kraps | is vanish really fixed? |
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| 05:38.14 | Fisker | i don't feel so well Kraps |
| 05:38.26 | Kraps | have a banana Fisker |
| 05:38.33 | Fisker | i wish |
| 05:38.42 | Kraps | i have |
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| 06:10.18 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/EAI8P.gif |
| 06:10.20 | Wobin | there we go |
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| 07:36.33 | Jerub | anyone here got ipv6? |
| 07:37.52 | unfo- | ::1 |
| 07:38.24 | Jerub | well, apart from localhost traffic. i mean an internet routable ipv6 connectoin |
| 07:39.10 | Jerub | i need to figure out if traffic's getting routed to my subnet :P |
| 07:39.51 | unfo- | :) |
| 07:40.46 | Jerub | i /think/ it is. |
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| 07:53.19 | Maldivia | *yawn* morning |
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| 07:57.39 | Maldivia | hmm, very dead here this monday morning |
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| 08:27.55 | Xyphoid | haha good old gnomeregan autoblocker |
| 08:28.19 | Xyphoid | did anything else get renamed just because of block going away |
| 08:29.53 | unfo- | costs 213 JP :D |
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| 10:19.23 | Napoleone | a |
| 10:19.58 | Napoleone | unfo- what cost 213? |
| 10:20.11 | unfo- | Napoleone, gnomeregan auto-dodger ^^ |
| 10:20.19 | Napoleone | and that is? |
| 10:20.26 | Napoleone | <-- horde ;P |
| 10:20.36 | unfo- | 25.10. 11:27 < Xyphoid> haha good old gnomeregan autoblocker |
| 10:20.36 | unfo- | 25.10. 11:28 -=- Sliker [~ponies@5e0789b7.bb.sky.com] has quit #wowuidev [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] |
| 10:20.39 | unfo- | 25.10. 11:28 < Xyphoid> did anything else get renamed just because of block going away |
| 10:20.52 | unfo- | they changed the name |
| 10:21.06 | unfo- | i just looked it up and found it hilarious that a lvl 70 badge gear costs 213 jp |
| 10:22.27 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 10:22.35 | Napoleone | just like the 80 wrathfull shit |
| 10:23.15 | unfo- | wrathful with justice points? |
| 10:23.43 | Napoleone | 264 and 270 shit for almost nothing ye |
| 10:24.50 | unfo- | i know you get those for honor points, didn't know you could get em for jp |
| 10:25.45 | unfo- | :q! |
| 10:25.46 | Napoleone | good god i just woke up.. hehe for me dam I'm tired ;) |
| 10:25.49 | unfo- | whoops, wrong window |
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| 10:37.21 | zenzio | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27401645030/dear-zarhym/ - lol |
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| 11:18.19 | Napoleone | is there a way to check if a SetCVar exist? |
| 11:18.23 | Napoleone | like uisclae |
| 11:28.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9I-Onwfqpo&feature=player_embedded |
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| 11:55.53 | zenzio | http://chzoddlyspecific.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/f5602fa4-75fe-44e0-9bab-ac0a4e52270d.jpg |
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| 12:15.05 | Shirik | I just want you all to know |
| 12:15.10 | Shirik | yall need to get your asses to blizzcon |
| 12:15.22 | Shirik | way too many addons to approve during blizzcon this year |
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| 12:15.45 | mitch0 | huh? |
| 12:16.03 | Shirik | too many addon updates released during blizzcon |
| 12:16.12 | mitch0 | ah |
| 12:16.38 | mitch0 | shirik: do you happen to know how to clip some texture using another texture? :) |
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| 12:18.12 | Shirik | mitch0: I don't really deal with textures sorry |
| 12:18.15 | Shirik | or much UI for that matter |
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| 12:18.15 | mitch0 | or just what "BLEND - Normal color blending, using any alpha channel in the texture image" really means |
| 12:18.23 | Shirik | wait |
| 12:18.27 | Shirik | are we referring to WoW? |
| 12:18.32 | mitch0 | what else? |
| 12:18.38 | Shirik | ok then I don't know, sorry :) |
| 12:18.42 | mitch0 | :P |
| 12:18.43 | mitch0 | then no |
| 12:18.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 12:23.24 | amro | mitch0: something like GL_SRC_ALPHA, GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA |
| 12:23.31 | amro | basically alpha blending and nothing else |
| 12:24.59 | Shirik | you can blend my alpha any day amro |
| 12:25.16 | amro | question is, can I do it any way? |
| 12:25.22 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:25.26 | Fisker | can i have everything i want? |
| 12:25.30 | Shirik | almost |
| 12:25.38 | Fisker | sweet |
| 12:25.40 | Shirik | you cannot have my m&ms |
| 12:25.45 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:25.47 | Fisker | awww |
| 12:25.51 | Fisker | but i want your M&Ms |
| 12:26.07 | Shirik | you can have my starbuck's |
| 12:26.13 | Shirik | because apparently this lady doesn't know how to make coffee |
| 12:26.57 | amro | coffee and tea are like murder weapons. always make your own |
| 12:27.41 | Shirik | You can't really make your own coffee |
| 12:27.48 | mitch0 | amro: do you know any way of clipping a texture based on another texture? :) |
| 12:27.49 | amro | yes, you can |
| 12:27.50 | amro | buy a press |
| 12:27.51 | Shirik | the problem with coffee is that to make good coffee it has to get up to like 130F |
| 12:28.01 | Shirik | and home makers don't come close to that |
| 12:28.03 | amro | buy a flamethrowers |
| 12:28.06 | amro | -s |
| 12:28.14 | amro | mitch0: don't know what you mean by "based" |
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| 12:28.30 | Shirik | Also |
| 12:28.41 | Shirik | did I mention how awesome it is being a Premier customer for an airline? |
| 12:28.45 | Shirik | because it is |
| 12:30.03 | cbreak_work | it's much more awesome to not be a customer for an airline |
| 12:30.30 | cbreak_work | I don't appreciate being a terrorism suspect |
| 12:30.33 | Fisker | flamethrower? |
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| 12:31.30 | Shirik | cbreak_work: I'm pretty sure they don't suspect me for terrorism anymore :P |
| 12:31.45 | Shirik | you can only make so many successful flights before they're like "ok we get the point" |
| 12:32.01 | Shirik | even Osama isn't going to go out and shell out $5 billion on airline tickets |
| 12:32.23 | mitch0 | amro: I have an icon, potentially square. I want to make it a round icon (clipping its corners, basically) |
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| 12:32.44 | Shirik | in all seriousness, we're focusing too much on airplanes |
| 12:32.54 | Shirik | security of other forms of transportation needs to be beefed up imo |
| 12:32.59 | Shirik | trains particularly |
| 12:33.09 | mitch0 | shirik: yeah, next time they'll do it by crushing the subway into the basement |
| 12:33.42 | mitch0 | aaanyway, I'll experiment with SetPortraitToTexture |
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| 12:33.56 | amro | mitch0: no clue, have you checked how it's done for portraits and minimap icons? |
| 12:34.01 | Shirik | I say give the pilots guns |
| 12:34.05 | Shirik | lock the door |
| 12:34.16 | Shirik | and you're good to go |
| 12:34.26 | amro | yeah that works fine when the plane blows up |
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| 12:34.50 | Shirik | ok total change of topic for a second |
| 12:34.59 | zenzio | ohai there Lopeppeppy |
| 12:35.06 | Shirik | when we say on the site that UI compilations must post a list of addons in the compilation in order to be approved |
| 12:35.15 | Shirik | "Addons used: Look in the folder." does not count |
| 12:35.38 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 12:37.01 | amro | I just received instructions from my sister to serve her burgers on Goodgame Cafe in 30 minutes |
| 12:38.44 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.38 | Jerub | any of you lovely people using ipv6 right now? |
| 12:41.59 | amro | do I qualify as lovely? |
| 12:42.11 | Jerub | amro: can you ping6? |
| 12:42.16 | amro | no :( |
| 12:42.24 | Jerub | then you are still lovely |
| 12:42.28 | Jerub | just not using ipv6 :) |
| 12:42.31 | amro | yay |
| 12:42.37 | zenzio | thread title: "Thoughts on Deathwing's logon." - I can just picture Deathwing sitting there at the computer going "damnit, where did I put my authenticator..." |
| 12:45.01 | cbreak_work | you think he uses one? |
| 12:45.41 | zenzio | well I'm sure he doesn't want to sit around in the GM queue waiting to have his legendaries restored |
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| 12:50.10 | cbreak_work | A few simple password procedures and security measures would prevent "getting hacked"... |
| 12:50.28 | Kalroth | hax cbreak |
| 12:50.40 | Fisker | why doesn't that count Shirik ? |
| 12:50.43 | zenzio | true, but I just don't think Deathwing is very good with computers |
| 12:50.49 | Shirik | because I said so Fisker |
| 12:50.55 | Shirik | also |
| 12:50.58 | Shirik | I now have 2 computers |
| 12:50.59 | Shirik | er |
| 12:51.01 | Shirik | 2 authenticators |
| 12:51.06 | Shirik | I also have 2 computers but that is irrelevant |
| 12:51.15 | zenzio | who doesn't have two computers these days? |
| 12:52.46 | Kalroth | so you're deleting "Kalroths Kompilation Komplication (Personal Edition Netherwing Internal Session)" |
| 12:53.12 | Kalroth | just because it is a zip archive of my folder, with backup files too! |
| 12:53.50 | zenzio | next thing we know, Shirik will be telling us to stop putting our SSH private keys in our addons too |
| 12:53.54 | cbreak_work | backup files? |
| 12:53.57 | cbreak_work | what's that for? |
| 12:54.04 | cbreak_work | ever heard of an SCM? :) |
| 12:54.44 | Kalroth | no |
| 12:55.37 | jnwhiteh | I have a ruby script that works as my authenticator for me =) |
| 12:55.52 | cbreak_work | you reverse engineered the algorithm? |
| 12:56.05 | jnwhiteh | its publichsed |
| 12:56.06 | jnwhiteh | so no |
| 12:56.16 | jnwhiteh | best drunk misspelling of published ever! |
| 12:56.26 | jnwhiteh | no need to reverse engineer it |
| 12:56.37 | cbreak_work | don't they use a private key? |
| 12:56.38 | jnwhiteh | the only 'secret' is the 'secret number' associated with your authenticator token |
| 12:56.45 | cbreak_work | or is it just derived from the serial? |
| 12:56.53 | jnwhiteh | its not related to the serial at all |
| 12:57.05 | jnwhiteh | I use FlexAuth and a ruby script |
| 12:57.12 | jnwhiteh | you can't do this if you have a physical authenticator |
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| 12:59.11 | amro | flexauth, is that antiarc's app? |
| 12:59.22 | jnwhiteh | yes |
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| 13:02.38 | mikma | hmm |
| 13:04.37 | A-KO | interesting |
| 13:04.45 | A-KO | when I tried to find out the algorithm used I wasn't told :( |
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| 13:05.57 | Ackis | punches a baby. |
| 13:06.38 | jnwhiteh | the algorithm is stupid simple |
| 13:06.49 | Kraps | calls child services on Ackis |
| 13:07.02 | amro | also very vulnerable |
| 13:07.18 | krka | stupid algorithms are the smartest :) |
| 13:07.19 | amro | 18760066 <- jnwhiteh's auth! |
| 13:07.27 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I don't get this: http://fukung.net/v/33323/15faa0ec7c7587437c0739674921ecd6.png |
| 13:07.31 | jnwhiteh | lies |
| 13:07.34 | jnwhiteh | [jnwhiteh@gammatester] ~% ruby ~/Dropbox/bnetauth.rb |
| 13:07.34 | jnwhiteh | 85764648 |
| 13:07.49 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: its just a wtf picture =) |
| 13:07.49 | amro | yeah but it's different if you call it again |
| 13:07.56 | Kraps | speaking of algorithms http://xkcd.com/810/ |
| 13:07.59 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: ok :) |
| 13:08.03 | Ackis | I'm going back to bed |
| 13:08.05 | jnwhiteh | amro: not until enough time has passed |
| 13:08.06 | Ackis | I hate my dog at times |
| 13:08.26 | amro | jnwhiteh: oh. but isn't that annoying if you request 2 seconds before it expires? |
| 13:08.39 | jnwhiteh | no, because it still works |
| 13:08.51 | jnwhiteh | it lets you use I believe a range of 1 on either side |
| 13:09.14 | zenzio | Kraps: hm, good point... sometimes it does seem like Slashdot is just AIs fighting |
| 13:09.20 | amro | ah, I assumed you were using the same timeout |
| 13:09.23 | Kraps | lol |
| 13:12.14 | jnwhiteh | A-KO: I found it via google if you'd like |
| 13:14.17 | A-KO | sure. |
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| 13:15.48 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5672461/blizzard-says-valves-dota-trademark-doesnt-seem-the-right-thing-to-do |
| 13:16.47 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_sauna.jpg |
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| 13:28.15 | Fisker | jnwhiteh is pretty awesome |
| 13:28.24 | Fisker | gotten google tv yet and hacked it into oblivion? |
| 13:29.06 | cbreak_work | I heard it got panned in reviews |
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| 13:36.17 | cbreak_work | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/261.html (he didn't have a good security policy) |
| 13:38.51 | Computerpunk | Might have to stay home for a while... |
| 13:39.11 | Computerpunk | you're gonna have to bear with me ;O |
| 13:40.28 | mikma | don't worry, i think tekkub will bear with you if you ask him nicely |
| 13:40.55 | Kraps | why does this "Blizzard Downloader.exe" process always start but never closes, and i cant end it? |
| 13:41.16 | zenzio | it takes a long time to download Blizzard |
| 13:41.27 | cbreak_work | killall -KILL? |
| 13:42.33 | Kraps | cbreak_work: where do i type that? |
| 13:42.54 | cbreak_work | bash |
| 13:43.07 | Kraps | durr |
| 13:43.15 | cbreak_work | windows probably has some equivalent which google can tell you |
| 13:43.29 | cbreak_work | no idea. Process Manager thingie can't do it? |
| 13:43.38 | Kraps | nope |
| 13:43.53 | Kraps | access denied or whatever |
| 13:44.07 | Kraps | and this is the only user account |
| 13:44.21 | cbreak_work | maybe it runs in a service |
| 13:44.27 | cbreak_work | ... wonder how they start that... |
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| 13:51.12 | Kraps | launcher? |
| 13:51.35 | cbreak_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.59 | cbreak_work | I assume you're a typical windows user who doesn't follow secure use practices and instead works as administrator :) |
| 13:52.44 | zenzio | it's not about secure practice, it's about feeling empowered! |
| 13:52.59 | Jamash | power overwhelming |
| 13:55.05 | A-KO | huh? |
| 13:55.21 | Jamash | huh? |
| 13:55.24 | A-KO | Kraps: I don't have that problem :P |
| 13:55.28 | A-KO | dunno what's up with yours |
| 13:55.35 | amro | KEYLOGGERZOMG |
| 13:55.39 | A-KO | yar |
| 13:55.41 | A-KO | sounds like it! |
| 13:55.52 | A-KO | Blizard Downloader.exe |
| 13:55.53 | A-KO | :P |
| 13:55.58 | Jamash | IM IN UR KERNEL, LOGGIN UR KEYS |
| 13:56.08 | Fisker | panned how cbreak_work ? |
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| 13:56.26 | Kraps | look i know how to secure my shit |
| 13:57.01 | Jamash | when Kraps takes a dump he uses 512 bit encryption |
| 13:57.03 | cbreak_work | Fisker: people didn't like the remote of that sony thing. I didn't read the review myself |
| 13:57.18 | Fisker | sony sucks |
| 13:57.23 | Fisker | there's other devices out too |
| 13:57.32 | Fisker | or singular |
| 13:57.35 | Fisker | but still |
| 13:57.41 | Fisker | logitech revue > sony |
| 13:57.45 | Kraps | Jamash: believe it |
| 14:01.47 | amro | the s in kraps is for secure |
| 14:01.54 | amro | like https |
| 14:02.03 | Jamash | ~amro++ |
| 14:04.01 | Kraps | so you're saying i have a keylogger |
| 14:04.12 | cbreak_work | no |
| 14:04.21 | cbreak_work | I say you work as admin, so you should have the rights to kill it |
| 14:04.32 | cbreak_work | so I wondered how it could start something you couldn't kill |
| 14:05.16 | Jamash | how can you kill -9 that which has no pid? |
| 14:05.31 | cbreak_work | every process has a pid |
| 14:05.43 | Jamash | that was a joke, you see |
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| 14:05.49 | A-KO | in windows you can use taskkill |
| 14:06.17 | Kraps | i tried using cmd already |
| 14:06.26 | Jamash | I wish atlasloot had a better search function |
| 14:06.55 | Kraps | EA servers just went down |
| 14:07.32 | A-KO | Kraps: weird. That doesn't really sound like the blizz downloader.....I dunno... |
| 14:07.43 | Fisker | your mom is ea servers Kraps |
| 14:07.50 | Fisker | if you catch my drift |
| 14:09.20 | Kraps | what should i do? |
| 14:09.38 | Jamash | reboot |
| 14:09.58 | cbreak_work | that sounds radical |
| 14:10.07 | Jamash | this is windows we're talking about here |
| 14:10.21 | Jamash | the solution is *always* reboot |
| 14:10.39 | Kraps | when i start the launcher it says "another copy of the blizzard downloader is already downloading that file to that location" |
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| 14:11.08 | cbreak_work | does the process viewer show you which process started that? |
| 14:11.23 | Jamash | konputa wa rebooto desu |
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| 14:11.49 | cbreak_work | the computer is a reboot? |
| 14:12.06 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 14:12.35 | Kraps | "C:\World of Warcraft\Blizzard Downloader.exe" --hiddenPort="9112" --hiddenProcessing="2" --locale="enUS" |
| 14:13.02 | Kraps | Parent: <Non-existent Process>(5392) |
| 14:13.09 | Kraps | lolwtfbbq |
| 14:13.38 | cbreak_work | maybe previous invocation of launcher |
| 14:14.15 | Kraps | yeah so when i reboot it goes away till i start the launcher |
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| 14:17.41 | Kraps | http://www.wowpedia.org/Blizzard_Downloader#The_broken_Background_Downloader ? |
| 14:19.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx might give you more info that you currently have |
| 14:21.18 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: thats what i linked the info from :/ |
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| 14:21.47 | mikma | what's the maximum length of charactername? |
| 14:22.14 | Fisker | 13 |
| 14:22.58 | Maldivia | 12 |
| 14:24.45 | mikma | apparently it's 12 |
| 14:24.51 | amro | I'd go with 12 |
| 14:24.54 | amro | because fisker is wrong |
| 14:25.08 | mikma | good call |
| 14:25.43 | Maldivia | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/characters.html -- "All names are restricted to 12 characters." |
| 14:29.26 | Computerpunk | Thunder_Child, ty, I was on 11.33. |
| 14:29.27 | Computerpunk | :D |
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| 14:34.08 | Kraps | wtf is an ASP.NET machine account |
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| 14:34.53 | amro | ~stab Kraps |
| 14:34.53 | purl | ACTION runs at Kraps with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:34.56 | amro | l2goole |
| 14:34.58 | amro | +g |
| 14:36.04 | amro | it's used to run asp.net with iis iirc |
| 14:37.28 | Kraps | WHY CANT I SAVE PERMISSION CHANGES, I'M ON AN ADMIN ACCOUNT |
| 14:37.53 | DarthAndroid_ | are you using vista or 7? |
| 14:37.57 | Kraps | 7 |
| 14:38.04 | DarthAndroid_ | welcome to the world of sudo |
| 14:38.18 | amro | vista/7 is sudo done wrong |
| 14:38.30 | DarthAndroid_ | admin accounts aren't actually admin accounts unless you clicked on the UAC popup |
| 14:38.53 | DarthAndroid_ | amro: you can turn on password requests ;) |
| 14:39.26 | A-KO | requesting a password is wrong IMO :P |
| 14:39.27 | A-KO | more insecure |
| 14:39.41 | A-KO | an application can self elevate with a password, however, it cannot self elevate without causing a proper uac prompt ;) |
| 14:39.49 | amro | prompt+password |
| 14:39.56 | amro | either way |
| 14:39.59 | DarthAndroid_ | well, that's what I meant |
| 14:40.06 | DarthAndroid_ | the prompt requires a passwrod |
| 14:40.07 | Kraps | brb |
| 14:40.08 | amro | if someone has my password, they're welcome to rm -rf / |
| 14:40.09 | DarthAndroid_ | *password |
| 14:40.09 | Maldivia | A-KO: yes it can, it can piggybag on Windows apps that are whitelisted :) |
| 14:40.13 | DarthAndroid_ | instead of just clicking abutton |
| 14:40.19 | A-KO | Maldivia: taht's assuming you don't kick UAC all the way up ;) |
| 14:40.24 | DarthAndroid_ | Maldivia: disable the whitelist? |
| 14:40.41 | DarthAndroid_ | it actually has to be on "LOW" to enable the whitelist |
| 14:40.48 | DarthAndroid_ | which is a notch below the default |
| 14:41.06 | A-KO | DarthAndroid_: there's no more or less security by either asking someone to click okay or type their password, and very likely typing a password would annoy too many people as it is. That said, many people click okay/yes to just about anything......but they're more likely to turn the whole thing off if they'd have to type their password. |
| 14:41.38 | amro | A-KO: wrong, I'm pretty sure you can't use AutoIt or some shit to force the click |
| 14:41.39 | A-KO | people seem to forget the average tolerance of password/cmdline typing that people who use other OS' regularly are okay with :P |
| 14:41.43 | A-KO | no you can't amro |
| 14:41.54 | DarthAndroid_ | A-KO: I fully agree. The semantics of what people should be doing and what they are willing to do are very different |
| 14:42.04 | Maldivia | amro: no, the password prompt is by default on the secure desktop, which you can't interacti with, unless you're elevated |
| 14:42.58 | A-KO | the uac "prompt" yeah, is actually a completely secure desktop that cannot be accessed by unelevated processes. That said, security of elevated processes can be an issue--but that's not something you can *really* blame on the OS :P |
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| 14:44.01 | A-KO | interestingly enough |
| 14:44.20 | A-KO | terminals used to execute sudo are accessible by user-level applications ;) |
| 14:44.34 | amro | hence the password |
| 14:44.55 | amro | and anyone who has your password can just... login... so it's not some huge security hole |
| 14:44.56 | A-KO | I think you're placing too much stock in password security. |
| 14:45.08 | DarthAndroid_ | retinal scans all the way! |
| 14:45.09 | DarthAndroid_ | :P |
| 14:45.10 | A-KO | passwords are severely insecure |
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| 14:45.20 | amro | sure, they are |
| 14:45.22 | A-KO | Even if you "do it right" |
| 14:45.29 | amro | but this thing I'm executing |
| 14:45.41 | A-KO | or rather |
| 14:45.42 | amro | if it was placed there without my knowledge, there's a security flaw elsewhere |
| 14:45.46 | amro | if I'm executing it willingly |
| 14:45.54 | amro | I need to know that it's a trusted file |
| 14:46.02 | A-KO | I think people who place stock in sudo versus uac aren't seeing the bigger picture of what both systems attempt to solve, and how they manage to solve them. |
| 14:46.38 | cbreak_work | sudo tries to make working secure more comfortable |
| 14:46.39 | A-KO | amro: And that's the same with UAC. You execute an application, UAC prompt comes up. The point being, if something tries to elevate that you didn't attempt to do, then you should click no. Whether or not peple do so is a different story entirely. |
| 14:46.47 | cbreak_work | uac tries to make insecure working more secure |
| 14:46.50 | amro | I never said UAC is done insecurely :P |
| 14:47.12 | Kalroth | UAC works best disabled! |
| 14:47.13 | A-KO | But I don't really blame the OS for failing to deal with a user's poor choices. |
| 14:47.19 | mitch0 | uac should remember the credentials for some period of time (say, 15 mins) |
| 14:47.20 | amro | it's juust that elevating applications is a pain in the ass |
| 14:47.27 | amro | wtb typing kdesu myapp |
| 14:47.29 | A-KO | I completely disagree with that mitch0 |
| 14:47.31 | amro | instead of that right click bullshit |
| 14:47.37 | mitch0 | a-ko: why? |
| 14:47.42 | amro | because it's insecure |
| 14:47.45 | amro | I hate that sudo doers it |
| 14:47.46 | mitch0 | is not |
| 14:47.50 | amro | yes, it is |
| 14:47.58 | cbreak_work | amro: configurable |
| 14:48.01 | amro | if I'me xecuting something and I see sudo, I know it's changing something |
| 14:48.02 | mitch0 | ^^ |
| 14:48.04 | cbreak_work | you can turn it off in sudo |
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| 14:48.11 | A-KO | should be off by default |
| 14:48.13 | amro | cbreak_work: yeah i know, but it's on by default in ubuntu |
| 14:48.25 | cbreak_work | that's because ubuntu is the windows of the linux world... |
| 14:48.34 | A-KO | most systems I"ve found have it on by default.... |
| 14:48.41 | mitch0 | amro: I don't say it shouldn't ask if it should do the dangerous operation, I just want it to not ask my password again in 10 secs... |
| 14:49.07 | A-KO | mitch0: Windows doesn't ask for the password. It asks yes/no. I suppose if you were doing a password-only thing, and future operations for 15 minutes ask yes/no, that's an idea. |
| 14:49.13 | A-KO | But still completely insecure. |
| 14:49.21 | mitch0 | a-ko: it does ask password |
| 14:49.28 | cbreak_work | windows asks for passwords |
| 14:49.28 | mitch0 | (if you're runnin on a non-admin account) |
| 14:49.30 | cbreak_work | all the time |
| 14:49.35 | amro | A-KO: it's not bad if it's configurable |
| 14:49.40 | DarthAndroid_ | Hmmm. I should put a UAC prompt in my addon. Don't want any malicious code switching profiles on the user! |
| 14:49.44 | cbreak_work | and it doesn't even remember the username! |
| 14:49.56 | amro | ie, if I make my stuff less secure intentionally because I know I don't need that extra security, it's not a problem |
| 14:50.00 | amro | I'm responsible for whatever happens |
| 14:50.21 | A-KO | cbreak: If you run an account that is limited, yes--but with uac, that's not entirely necessary. Accounts are *all* users unless they are flagged with the ability to prompt w/o a pasword :P |
| 14:50.31 | mitch0 | so basically, I like how uac works now, just want it to not ask the password again (for a given time) |
| 14:50.53 | A-KO | mitch0: Run your user as an Administrator user in the administrators group--just don't run as the actual Admin user (which should be disabled by default anyway) |
| 14:50.56 | A-KO | Then it asks yes/no |
| 14:50.58 | A-KO | either way, you'll get prompted. |
| 14:51.00 | amro | I just want the kde launcher |
| 14:51.09 | A-KO | Nothing actually will have any access to the system otherwise. |
| 14:51.28 | cbreak_work | asking yes/no is stupid |
| 14:51.29 | A-KO | Being in the Administrators group in Windows doesn't mean the user is an Administrator with blanket ability to write anywhere they please. |
| 14:51.54 | A-KO | UAC is an interesting beast :P |
| 14:51.59 | cbreak_work | if you have the permissions to do it, what prevents a mallicious app from doing it without asking? |
| 14:52.03 | A-KO | cbreak_work: You don't have the permission to do it |
| 14:52.16 | A-KO | a malicious app *will* flag the system to ask you. Period. |
| 14:52.18 | nevcairiel | You have the permission to gain the permission to do it |
| 14:52.22 | cbreak_work | I have the permissions to press on a button |
| 14:52.23 | mitch0 | also: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/8fe699fc-aae1-4b26-9bc0-55cb24608fbe |
| 14:52.23 | nevcairiel | basically :P |
| 14:52.31 | amro | cbreak_work: the app can't programmatically press the button |
| 14:52.34 | cbreak_work | so does any app I run though |
| 14:52.34 | A-KO | cbreak_work: the secure desktop is completely inaccessible |
| 14:52.40 | cbreak_work | sure they can |
| 14:52.40 | mitch0 | (got bitten by that yesterday... ended up just disabling windows search...) |
| 14:52.42 | A-KO | from any user application |
| 14:52.44 | A-KO | no, they can't cbreak_work |
| 14:52.51 | A-KO | it's impossible w/o a kernel level bug :P |
| 14:52.56 | A-KO | which that isn't to say one doesn't exist |
| 14:52.57 | A-KO | just that |
| 14:53.00 | cbreak_work | windows has a software keyboard. |
| 14:53.00 | A-KO | it's not just willy-nilly |
| 14:53.01 | nevcairiel | Its like being in the sudoers or in the wheel group on *nix. You are not root, but you can become root if you need to. |
| 14:53.07 | DarthAndroid_ | when the screen dims, and only the UAC window is visible, no app can interact with that :P |
| 14:53.34 | mitch0 | my uac window likes to pop up _under_ the current window... |
| 14:53.39 | A-KO | the secure desktop runs in a high integrity mode, applications run in medium. medium cannot interact with high. |
| 14:53.46 | nevcairiel | mitch0: then you turned off screen diming |
| 14:53.48 | A-KO | pretty simple concept |
| 14:53.55 | A-KO | nevcairiel: it happens sometimes actually :P |
| 14:53.58 | mitch0 | nev: didn't turn off anything |
| 14:54.00 | A-KO | depending on what you're doing |
| 14:54.07 | mitch0 | fresh install |
| 14:54.22 | DarthAndroid_ | mitch0: do you have the secure desktop feature turned off? I have the same issue sometimes, but I've turned that off because it takes about ~10s to dim the screen on my system |
| 14:54.28 | amro | the biggest problem with UAC is that you ened up disabling it |
| 14:54.29 | mitch0 | also, how does one turn off transparent borders? |
| 14:54.34 | A-KO | amro: I don't :P |
| 14:54.38 | nevcairiel | I've seen it doing something like, the uac prompt is minimized, and when i alt-tab back to the application that requested elevation, it pops up |
| 14:54.38 | A-KO | I've got UAC on, DEP to the max |
| 14:54.39 | DarthAndroid_ | mitch0: disable aero |
| 14:54.43 | A-KO | no |
| 14:54.46 | A-KO | don't disable aero |
| 14:54.47 | DarthAndroid_ | set the theme to "basic" |
| 14:54.47 | A-KO | definitely don't do that |
| 14:54.48 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:54.49 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt allow interaction with the application in question until i click it |
| 14:54.49 | amro | A-KO: too much stuff doesn't work without for me |
| 14:54.59 | A-KO | amro: then those apps suck :P |
| 14:55.08 | amro | not necessarily |
| 14:55.13 | amro | microsoft sucks for not enforcing the rules before |
| 14:55.26 | A-KO | amro: True, but the rules have been in place since at least NT |
| 14:55.38 | nevcairiel | Eh, if some apps fails at UAC usage, just set it to "run as administrator", but don't disable it globally |
| 14:55.39 | A-KO | the options were there, nobody used 'em :P |
| 14:55.41 | amro | hidden somewhere where most people had no clue they existed |
| 14:55.43 | DarthAndroid_ | amro: better they enforce it no then not enforce it at all |
| 14:55.53 | nevcairiel | or just don't use broken apps |
| 14:55.56 | amro | DarthAndroid_: yes, but my point is that the blame is not on the applications |
| 14:55.58 | A-KO | It wasn't really hidden amro |
| 14:56.09 | A-KO | blame the application developers for expecting pre-2007 behavior in Windows |
| 14:56.10 | nevcairiel | amro: but it should be! |
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| 14:56.20 | DarthAndroid_ | amro: So you're saying a lack of rules is a reason to write sloppy code? |
| 14:56.28 | amro | no |
| 14:56.44 | A-KO | DarthAndroid_: the rules have always been in place. Nobody bothered to handle them properly, largely due to lack of enforcement. |
| 14:56.52 | amro | I'm saying that w32 is a horrible platform and I don't blame anyone for writing sloppy code on it |
| 14:56.58 | DarthAndroid_ | A-KO: A rule not enforced is not a rule. |
| 14:57.09 | A-KO | DarthAndroid_: Perhaps :P Then it was just guidelines. |
| 14:57.15 | nevcairiel | amro: horrible code is horrible, no matter for what platform or what system, that statement is just silly |
| 14:57.26 | A-KO | nevcairiel: Some people have OS bias :P |
| 14:57.29 | A-KO | just how it is |
| 14:57.34 | amro | that's not the case at all |
| 14:57.40 | A-KO | I use a multitude of systems every single day |
| 14:57.56 | nevcairiel | You can think about MS and windows what you want, but using it as an excuse for writing stupid code is, well, stupid. |
| 14:58.08 | amro | first of all it's not stupid CODE |
| 14:58.14 | DarthAndroid_ | A-KO: I'm currently using my mpb to remote desktop to my windows gaming rig which is running putty connected to irssi on my ubuntu server :P |
| 14:58.14 | amro | it's just a stupid way to store settings and cache |
| 14:58.20 | amro | don't confuse the two |
| 14:58.51 | A-KO | DarthAndroid_: I use Windows on my netbook to vpn to my ubuntu openvpn server every day at work :P Meanwhile, I've got an iphone and am trying to get work to get me a macbook for work :P |
| 14:58.58 | nevcairiel | wait, how did i miss the turn into the windows registry debate? |
| 14:59.02 | nevcairiel | werent we talking about sloppy code? |
| 14:59.04 | amro | second of all, I never had any idea that apps weren't supposed to write to PF |
| 14:59.07 | A-KO | oh, and I'm a Windows systems engineer :P |
| 14:59.09 | amro | it just waasn't anywhere |
| 14:59.12 | amro | and I read plenty of MSDN |
| 14:59.39 | DarthAndroid_ | amro: I'll grant you that, but whatever gave you the idea that your apps *should* write to the page file? |
| 14:59.40 | amro | so I don't blame any app that writes to PF, it's not like it was clearly stated anywhere that they shouldn't |
| 14:59.40 | A-KO | amro: Applications are supposed to write to PF, during install, and change rarely. |
| 14:59.49 | A-KO | DarthAndroid_: he means program files |
| 14:59.50 | amro | DarthAndroid_: program files |
| 14:59.56 | DarthAndroid_ | oh |
| 15:00.05 | DarthAndroid_ | acronym fail. |
| 15:00.06 | amro | wouldn't ever touch the pagefile :P |
| 15:00.25 | mitch0 | nev: that could be it (I mean, I'm not 100% sure it's under the app, but it's definitely on the taskbar (the uac window, that is)) |
| 15:00.27 | mitch0 | a-ko: ok, keep aero. then is the Basic theme OK? (for no-transparent-borders thing) |
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| 15:00.28 | mitch0 | (a side-note: the integrated graphics card produces slightly higher fps than my old standalone one :) |
| 15:00.28 | nevcairiel | was there even some global storage space besides the registry before vista? |
| 15:00.29 | amro | A-KO: yes, but that wasn't really clearly stated. and if it was enforced, it wouldn't have to be |
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| 15:00.52 | DarthAndroid_ | mitch0: should be. |
| 15:00.53 | A-KO | mitch0: No, don't use the basic theme--that disables Aero. Aero should be on, all of the time. It uses your video card for rendering rather than the CPU. |
| 15:00.58 | nevcairiel | I mean, now we have C:\ProgramData, but that seems rather new :p |
| 15:01.07 | A-KO | The transparent borders isn't slowing your pc down |
| 15:01.20 | A-KO | nevcairiel: ProgramData is an interesting beast I have yet to actually figure out specifically :P |
| 15:01.25 | amro | same |
| 15:01.44 | A-KO | It's supposed to be where global application settings go available to all users, but a writeable location by the app |
| 15:01.52 | nevcairiel | it seems like a global Users\AppData\Local |
| 15:02.09 | A-KO | but what I question is why I get a uac prompt when I go in there :P |
| 15:02.16 | nevcairiel | I don't o.o |
| 15:02.21 | A-KO | well, when I modify something in there |
| 15:02.58 | DarthAndroid_ | because the files are owned by the administrator |
| 15:03.24 | nevcairiel | its probably some special magic going one |
| 15:03.24 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 15:03.26 | amro | yeah, maybe you need to access via a specific API |
| 15:03.26 | nevcairiel | but those files are writable by the apps that created them |
| 15:03.32 | DarthAndroid_ | I really wouldn't want any old user to make changes that effect all users |
| 15:04.00 | Kraps | "applying non-critical updates ftl |
| 15:04.16 | amro | applies a critical update to Kraps's face |
| 15:04.18 | nevcairiel | Kraps: you can just click play |
| 15:04.24 | mitch0 | a-ko: my gf hates the transparent borders... |
| 15:04.27 | mitch0 | it's not about speed |
| 15:04.35 | Kraps | nevcairiel: i want to see were this goes |
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| 15:05.14 | DarthAndroid_ | A-KO: does windows depend on dwm for security features? |
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| 15:06.59 | DarthAndroid_ | puts a flowered hat on Dajova |
| 15:07.17 | Dajova | humbs DarthAndriod_'s leg. |
| 15:07.21 | Dajova | *humps |
| 15:07.23 | Dajova | xD |
| 15:07.27 | DarthAndroid_ | fail |
| 15:07.31 | Dajova | pfft |
| 15:07.45 | DarthAndroid_ | chains Dajova to a tree and leaves him until he can learn to behave. |
| 15:07.59 | Dajova | btw... is there a way to reverse portrait in ouf? |
| 15:07.59 | A-KO | mitch0: well, convince her to use another OS then :P |
| 15:08.15 | A-KO | movie time |
| 15:08.18 | Dajova | i mean so its facing the other way |
| 15:08.35 | nevcairiel | you want to look at the back of the head? |
| 15:08.39 | DarthAndroid_ | Dajova: yes, change the camera |
| 15:08.44 | Kraps | hey guys i turned off UAC |
| 15:08.53 | Dajova | slaps DarthAndriod_ with a large dildo. |
| 15:08.56 | nevcairiel | hacks Kraps |
| 15:09.07 | nevcairiel | seriously though, change the camera |
| 15:09.34 | nevcairiel | portraits have a camera that specifys, well, the camera position! |
| 15:10.00 | Kraps | counter-hacks nevcairiel |
| 15:10.02 | Dajova | well, that much i know... its just that i dont have any camera code? :P |
| 15:10.20 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 15:10.22 | Shirik | you are evil |
| 15:10.28 | Shirik | viruses Kraps |
| 15:10.39 | Kraps | thats how i roll Shirik |
| 15:10.47 | Brunera | anyone know if the Intel INF drivers support TRIM now? |
| 15:11.17 | nevcairiel | you need to get the storage drivers, obviously |
| 15:12.11 | Kraps | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/10/c6a85c249b1551da1c7c882bb0db4f4e/original.jpg |
| 15:13.10 | Kraps | hey new nvidia drivers |
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| 15:16.55 | Kraps | whoa cool installer |
| 15:17.09 | Kraps | is nvidia hacking me? |
| 15:18.19 | Kraps | why is nvidia hacking me Shirik? |
| 15:18.30 | Shirik | because you don't have UAC |
| 15:18.39 | Shirik | I'm hacking you too |
| 15:18.44 | Brunera | me too |
| 15:18.49 | Kraps | stop dammit |
| 15:20.46 | bryno | more new drivers? i just updated yesterday lol |
| 15:20.55 | DarthAndroid_ | You can get them here http://5z8.info/the-most-dangerous-game_r1n2m_fakelogin |
| 15:22.50 | Kraps | DarthAndroid_: why is nvidia hacking me? |
| 15:23.36 | nevcairiel | because they can! |
| 15:23.39 | cogwheel | RAWR |
| 15:23.46 | DarthAndroid_ | Kraps: nvidia can't hack you unless they're there with machetes. In which case I'd call the police. You can only hack yourself. |
| 15:24.05 | cogwheel | hey Fisker |
| 15:24.09 | nevcairiel | cogwheel did you stop crashing everyones clients yet? |
| 15:24.29 | cogwheel | nah... "Cogwheel of Death" is starting to grow on me :> |
| 15:26.10 | DarthAndroid_ | well |
| 15:26.14 | DarthAndroid_ | brb coding raidframes |
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| 15:33.07 | Dajova | When you're using SetFacing in a oUF layout, how would you write it make it actually have any effect at al? |
| 15:34.35 | Kraps | blizzard downloader.exe is back! |
| 15:34.46 | Kraps | and i still cant kill it! |
| 15:34.57 | A-KO | Kraps: do that repair thing that they mentioned :P |
| 15:35.24 | Kraps | whats the :p about >:( |
| 15:35.55 | A-KO | reboot, delete the downloader exe, then repair |
| 15:36.34 | Kraps | reboot? :( |
| 15:37.28 | DarthAndroid_ | Kraps: just to be clear, you clicked "show all processes" after launching the task manager to make it elevate, right? |
| 15:37.32 | DarthAndroid_ | errr |
| 15:37.34 | DarthAndroid_ | lol |
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| 15:45.49 | Dajova | any1 knows? tried both SetFacing and SetRotation :( |
| 15:47.00 | Kraps | that didnt help |
| 15:47.16 | Kraps | f this |
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| 15:53.43 | amro | Kraps: why are you trying to kill it? |
| 15:54.01 | Kraps | amro: why is it open? |
| 15:54.24 | amro | because it likes to stay open now |
| 15:54.32 | amro | even if there's nothing to download |
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| 15:55.25 | Kraps | meh |
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| 15:56.58 | amro | post it in the tech support problem |
| 15:57.00 | amro | wow |
| 15:57.02 | amro | tech support forum |
| 16:03.24 | Kraps | spraying gunfire in the enemies general direction doesnt work apparently |
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| 16:05.47 | DWSR | Hurray. SBF is updated to 4.0.1 |
| 16:07.52 | DWSR | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 16:08.10 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (13d 31m 11s) #wowace (13d 31m 11s) #curseforge (13d 31m 11s). Has said a total of 2614 messages. Is idling for 44m 1s, last said: 'cogwheel did you stop crashing everyones clients yet?'. |
| 16:08.23 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Ping. Question about BT4. |
| 16:08.28 | cogwheel | RAWR |
| 16:08.35 | DWSR | cogwheel: oh hai |
| 16:08.41 | DWSR | i has cheezburger. u want? |
| 16:08.47 | DarthAndroid_ | client crashes |
| 16:09.02 | cogwheel | no i has peetsa |
| 16:09.51 | DWSR | can shair? |
| 16:10.22 | cogwheel | if u liek mailed peetsa |
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| 16:16.43 | Computerpunk | ~seen computerpunk |
| 16:16.45 | purl | computerpunk is currently on #waruidev (3h 15m 48s) #sc2mapster (3h 15m 48s) #wowuidev (3h 15m 48s) #curseforge (3h 15m 48s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen computerpunk'. |
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| 16:18.01 | durcyn | how meta. |
| 16:19.41 | Fisker | so cogwheel |
| 16:19.59 | Fisker | how was your "trip" to "disney land" then "Blizzcon" then "back again"? |
| 16:21.11 | Kraps | Fisker: Europe is funny http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/15042106510/start-listen-to-youre-customers/ |
| 16:21.30 | Fisker | what's so funny about it? |
| 16:21.59 | Kraps | its lol |
| 16:22.10 | Kraps | lolilolilol |
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| 16:22.57 | Kraps | Shirik: "What is your opinion about the Foundation-l mailing list moderators' action to ban Gregory Kohs from all mailing list activity? Cast your vote:" |
| 16:23.36 | Fisker | why Kraps ? |
| 16:23.40 | Fisker | he's basically right? |
| 16:23.51 | Kraps | no Fisker |
| 16:23.59 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 16:24.19 | Fisker | At Blizzcon, having 10-man drop the legendary parts for the legendary weapons were the first time they've ever heard about that |
| 16:24.33 | Fisker | If Blizzard collected feedback that obviously wouldn't have been the case |
| 16:25.01 | Fisker | infact i'm pretty shocked they haven't even considered it themselves |
| 16:25.22 | Fisker | it's like they're actually in captivity, and their blizzcon is kinda their day out |
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| 16:28.23 | Napoleone | ok asking again.. anyone know much about the blizzard center hud they have? |
| 16:28.44 | DarthAndroid_ | blizzard center hud? |
| 16:28.57 | Napoleone | Spell proc thingy Heads up display |
| 16:29.10 | DarthAndroid_ | ah, the power auras. |
| 16:29.19 | Napoleone | guess its that |
| 16:29.22 | DarthAndroid_ | can't say I've looked at it much yet :x |
| 16:29.35 | Napoleone | i want to move the top one to hell away so i can see stuff ;P |
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| 16:30.44 | cogwheel | Fisker: wet and wild |
| 16:31.47 | DarthAndroid_ | Napoleone: Check out SpellActivationOverlay.xml and SpellActivationOverlay.lua in the blizzard FrameXML code |
| 16:31.48 | Fisker | you made it to third base with GC= |
| 16:31.49 | Fisker | ? |
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| 16:36.47 | Kraps | rl parkour is so beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amd36SRbJw |
| 16:39.39 | nicoli_s | that parkour mmo just looks silly |
| 16:40.28 | Kraps | ? |
| 16:40.57 | nicoli_s | theres some parkor mmo coming out soon, its got like anime graphics, doesnt look very fun |
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| 16:41.33 | nicoli_s | welcome sixen |
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| 16:43.04 | Sixen | heyo nic |
| 16:43.11 | nicoli_s | how was bizzcon? |
| 16:43.11 | Sixen | wait nic, I never met you |
| 16:43.19 | Sixen | you didn't go? |
| 16:43.24 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 16:43.38 | Sixen | Aw :\. It was pretty fun |
| 16:44.07 | nicoli_s | yeah ill prob go next year just too many work vacations this year without going on another 600$+one |
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| 16:45.02 | Kraps | amro: |
| 16:45.05 | Sixen | haha no doubt |
| 16:45.12 | Sixen | it was cool, got to meet a lot of curse people |
| 16:46.33 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 16:46.36 | Fisker | did you see me? |
| 16:47.16 | Arrowmaster | Sixen: i never met you at blizzcon! |
| 16:47.31 | Arrowmaster | at least i dont remember meeting you |
| 16:47.42 | Sixen | Arrow, you did |
| 16:47.47 | Sixen | I was about to say hi and you guys walked ou |
| 16:47.50 | industrial | pf |
| 16:47.55 | industrial | dungeon deserter is 30min now? |
| 16:47.57 | Sixen | I gave Cairenn a hug as you were leaving the curse party |
| 16:48.14 | Sixen | I was standing next to the eit and I was like, "I idnd't even know you were here!" and my hair was all spikey :P |
| 16:48.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah i had a bit to drink by that point and dont remember seeing anybody with spikey hair |
| 16:48.59 | Sixen | lol |
| 16:49.18 | Arrowmaster | open bar ftw |
| 16:49.18 | DWSR | industrial: Yeah. Been like that for a while. |
| 16:52.38 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 16:53.20 | nicoli_s | so sixen, you stole a computer with d3 on it right? |
| 16:53.39 | Sixen | yes |
| 16:53.44 | Sixen | no |
| 16:53.45 | Sixen | :( |
| 16:53.56 | Sixen | I tried, but it was too obvious walking out with a giant tower |
| 16:53.57 | syrae | Sixen: is that a maybe? |
| 16:54.17 | nevcairiel | Sixen: could've ripped the hdd |
| 16:54.24 | Sixen | Troof. |
| 16:54.52 | durcyn | they had usb ports last i looked |
| 16:55.13 | Fisker | doesn't mean you can transfer it |
| 16:55.22 | durcyn | if it's playable, it's copyable |
| 16:55.35 | Fisker | if you have time, yes |
| 16:55.46 | nevcairiel | get a faster usb drive already |
| 16:56.00 | Fisker | ITT: People don't know about group policies |
| 16:56.01 | Fisker | durr |
| 16:56.16 | nevcairiel | you know, one of those gadgets from spy movies, you attach it to a pc, and it copies the whole thing in 30 seconds |
| 16:56.21 | durcyn | there was also internet access, copy to dropbox |
| 16:56.29 | durcyn | and yes, i know about the GPO that disables usb storage. does blizzard? |
| 16:56.38 | Fisker | still negated by group polices durcyn |
| 16:56.52 | Fisker | you don't even know if you had physical access to the usb ports do you? |
| 16:57.18 | durcyn | i haven't been to blizzcon since 2005, and i sure as hell could've lifted the BC alpha. i don't know what they did this time around. |
| 16:57.41 | durcyn | and, curiously enough, neither do you, but still you pontificate |
| 16:58.01 | Fisker | I've seen them physically restrict access to the machine before |
| 16:59.18 | Computerpunk | Kaelten, you there? |
| 16:59.18 | Computerpunk | :3 |
| 16:59.20 | Fisker | anyway Sixen |
| 16:59.25 | Fisker | you never told me if you saw me :( |
| 16:59.33 | Sixen | I didn't see you Fiska |
| 16:59.35 | Sixen | =\ |
| 16:59.41 | Fisker | damn |
| 16:59.42 | A-KO | Blizzard does have people monitoring the machines. |
| 16:59.45 | Kaelten | not truely |
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| 16:59.57 | Fisker | did you try looking into the camera Sixen ? |
| 17:00.01 | Fisker | i was right there on the other side |
| 17:00.10 | Sixen | lol |
| 17:00.58 | industrial | hi guys! get reddeh to svettt alott ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-vrco7pOZw&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 17:01.10 | Fisker | anyway Sixen |
| 17:01.13 | Fisker | i really wanna go |
| 17:01.14 | industrial | fitness chicks <3333 |
| 17:01.25 | Fisker | but i'm afraid of ending on the US no-fly list |
| 17:02.10 | Fisker | I would go to the class Q&A and ask Ghostcrawler if i could get everything i want |
| 17:02.15 | Humbedooh | plastic boobs :( |
| 17:02.19 | Fisker | and then ask if i could punch people in the face |
| 17:03.28 | nicoli_s | fisker:i think you would need to worry a bunch of irc people would surround you in a back alley and stab ya |
| 17:03.56 | Fisker | yeah i'd probably get murdered by Dagmar |
| 17:04.21 | Sixen | lol |
| 17:04.31 | Fisker | did you get your pet codes in the goodie bag btw? |
| 17:05.37 | Fisker | aww? |
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| 17:07.47 | Fisker | then i hate both of you |
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| 17:19.54 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5672651/digital-storms-new-high+end-gaming-pcs-light-up-blizzcon |
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| 17:22.17 | A-KO | and that's why their systems always run the game at like 500000000FPS lol |
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| 17:24.03 | Kraps | amro: |
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| 17:32.20 | mikma | wowi admins approve my addon! plox |
| 17:32.33 | DWSR | nevcairiel: |
| 17:33.13 | DWSR | How do you move all of the micro menu buttons simultaneously? fstack doesn't show a frame that they're all parented to. |
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| 17:34.32 | cogwheel | they may just be attached to the mainmenubar without their own intermediate container... |
| 17:34.43 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/redfaction |
| 17:34.45 | DWSR | cogwheel: I'm using BT4. :P |
| 17:34.55 | DWSR | Hence why I'm asking nev and not just anyone. |
| 17:35.02 | cogwheel | wanders away aimlessly |
| 17:35.12 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:36.31 | amro | Kraps: sup? |
| 17:36.45 | Kraps | i lost again |
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| 17:37.02 | Kraps | i had scvs up the wazoo |
| 17:37.02 | amro | :( |
| 17:37.05 | DWSR | Oh, also, nevcairiel when I set a frame to the size of the bar overlays onload, they end up being the dimensions of 1 actionbutton. Is there a way for me to delay the onload until BT4 calculates the final size? |
| 17:37.07 | Kraps | :p |
| 17:37.09 | amro | good |
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| 17:37.24 | DWSR | Kraps: You should end up having about 60 workers by the end of a game. |
| 17:37.26 | Kraps | back soon |
| 17:37.28 | amro | what did you lose to? |
| 17:37.39 | amro | or just put up the replayt |
| 17:37.45 | Kraps | protoss carriers |
| 17:38.01 | cogwheel | hai Lopeppeppy |
| 17:38.06 | Kraps | we went air very quickly |
| 17:38.28 | amro | make moar vikings |
| 17:38.34 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:38.35 | amro | vikings > anything that flies |
| 17:38.53 | Kraps | i did :( |
| 17:38.57 | amro | against carriers, you want to reach the critical mass of vikings where you shoot down a carrier before it can launch an interceptor |
| 17:39.07 | amro | at which point it becomes free |
| 17:39.09 | Kraps | he had a ton |
| 17:39.24 | amro | you probably didn't scout him enough |
| 17:39.36 | amro | because you can easily make 4 vikings for every carrier he does |
| 17:40.21 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:40.33 | cogwheel | no u! |
| 17:40.38 | Kraps | it was that map shaped like an A |
| 17:40.58 | Kraps | back soon |
| 17:41.01 | alestane | Scrap Station? |
| 17:41.06 | Kraps | yeah |
| 17:41.11 | amro | crap station |
| 17:41.33 | amro | aka base trade map |
| 17:42.07 | amro | you go ground, he goes air, someone plays yakety sax while racing to kill the other's base faster |
| 17:42.30 | Xinhuan | DWSR, just move the first button |
| 17:42.37 | Xinhuan | (the character micro button) |
| 17:42.47 | Xinhuan | the rest are setpointed to the micro button before it |
| 17:44.31 | cogwheel | someone should tell day9 you don't actually have to log in to watch replays... |
| 17:45.02 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 17:45.22 | amro | so that he stops hiding his login page while he types his password |
| 17:45.26 | amro | and emial |
| 17:45.31 | cogwheel | he keeps making a big deal about how he has to move his SC screen off of where the screen cap area is |
| 17:45.35 | cogwheel | while he logs in |
| 17:45.42 | Xinhuan | why don't you tell him |
| 17:45.45 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 17:45.51 | amro | it's still hilarious what happened a few weeks back |
| 17:45.59 | amro | HEY HERE'S MY EMAIL AND PASSWORD |
| 17:46.16 | amro | *stream offline* |
| 17:46.40 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 17:46.47 | Xinhuan | is he streaming live now? |
| 17:47.02 | cogwheel | no i just loaded a replay as guest and it crossed my mind |
| 17:47.09 | amro | don't think so, he streams whenever I go to bed |
| 17:47.45 | amro | cogwheel: actually I'm not sure, does being guest allow you to see the replays under a specific account folder? |
| 17:47.54 | amro | I think you'd have to put them out in the main folder |
| 17:48.03 | cogwheel | amro: he loads them out-of game to begin with |
| 17:48.10 | amro | hrm yeah |
| 17:48.17 | amro | but he often does browse from ingame |
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| 17:48.31 | amro | and does that silly DONT LOOK AT THE TITLE IT RUINS IT things |
| 17:48.32 | amro | -s |
| 17:48.33 | cogwheel | yeah, only when he doesn't want to give away the replay title |
| 17:48.55 | Xinhuan | except |
| 17:49.14 | Xinhuan | you realize you can load any replay without logging in, by double clicking it from the folder (in say windows explorer) |
| 17:49.20 | Xinhuan | it just launches it right away |
| 17:49.34 | cogwheel | that's what were saying :P |
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| 17:49.43 | cogwheel | (load out-of-game) |
| 17:49.45 | Xinhuan | and if you want to hide filenames, make shortcuts to them! |
| 17:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Random question. How much free space *does* the 4.x patch require to install? Mine keeps crashing out, and I think it's because I don't have enough space left... |
| 17:50.57 | Maldivia | a lot :) |
| 17:51.20 | Xinhuan | Lopeppeppy, it basically creates the entire 4.0 |
| 17:51.25 | Xinhuan | before it deletes 3.3.5 |
| 17:51.32 | Xinhuan | so you need enough space for both |
| 17:51.54 | Xinhuan | about 30 gb free space would be good |
| 17:51.59 | Xinhuan | 25 may work |
| 17:52.03 | zenzelezz | really? |
| 17:52.05 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:52.17 | zenzelezz | on the partition where WoW is installed then? |
| 17:52.20 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:52.22 | Xinhuan | its like a "commit", if it fails, it rollbacks the entire installation |
| 17:52.29 | Xinhuan | by deleting the partial 4.0 install |
| 17:52.40 | Xinhuan | entire process is atomic |
| 17:52.48 | Xinhuan | only that it takes 1 hour P |
| 17:52.49 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 17:53.46 | Xinhuan | so if you installed wow on a partition which has less than 40 gb space, you're in trouble |
| 17:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I think it's got 18 free. |
| 17:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | So I either delete a ton of stuff, or buy a new drive? |
| 17:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | I am... let's say unimpressed. *sigh* |
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| 17:54.36 | cogwheel | or delete 3.3 and install fresh |
| 17:54.42 | nevcairiel | you can delete your old WoW, and reinstall 4.0 with the downloader |
| 17:54.47 | nevcairiel | doesn't need the doubled-space |
| 17:55.03 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm. nevcairiel, you may be a nice person. I like you. |
| 17:55.03 | nevcairiel | assuming you feel like downloading 20gb |
| 17:55.09 | Xinhuan | ^^ |
| 17:55.11 | cogwheel | again |
| 17:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'll do it overnight, again. |
| 17:55.26 | alestane | Do you still have the beta installed, Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:55.35 | Xinhuan | you can start by clearing out older patch exes |
| 17:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you're right, that can go, and my older patches... |
| 17:55.42 | Xinhuan | and perhaps moving screenshots |
| 17:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | I think that the chronic lack of sleep is really catching up with me. *hugs* |
| 17:55.56 | syrae | cogwheel: were you the inspiration for the Cog Boss? Seems like the kind of devious thing you'd do |
| 17:56.31 | Xinhuan | if u still want the beta, you can say uninstall PTR |
| 17:56.36 | Xinhuan | (if u have that) |
| 17:56.43 | nevcairiel | ptr is dead anyway |
| 17:56.50 | nevcairiel | probably needs a full re-patch when the next one comes up |
| 17:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | Xinhuan, I'll have to poke at my folders and see which betas/PTRs I've got lying around. You're right. |
| 17:57.02 | cogwheel | syrae: it's all my fault! |
| 17:57.05 | cogwheel | >< |
| 17:57.13 | alestane | Yah, betas are very large. |
| 17:57.34 | cogwheel | i have no idea... i think they just used whatever term came naturally wrt the cog icon |
| 17:57.45 | syrae | cogwheel: after all these years, you finally turned on us! Your devious cogwheel tooltips of doom |
| 17:57.57 | cogwheel | no |
| 17:58.09 | cogwheel | i did that a few months ago when i got /run and /dump disabled in the beta |
| 17:58.10 | cogwheel | :> |
| 17:58.14 | cogwheel | hides |
| 17:58.19 | syrae | cogwheel: hahaha |
| 17:58.22 | nevcairiel | yeah, screw you! |
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| 18:10.20 | Shirik | Kraps, where did you see this? |
| 18:10.27 | Shirik | I mean I know about the ordeal on foundation-l but I didn't see any kind of vote |
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| 18:18.35 | Shirik | anyone got a bright idea on how to list the largest files in a filesystem on Linux? du doesn't seem to have a "only greater than size X" option |
| 18:18.43 | Shirik | I'm looking for files that are like gigabytes in size |
| 18:18.49 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:18.52 | Fisker | i need help |
| 18:20.31 | Pneumatus | find / -type f -size +1G |
| 18:20.43 | Pneumatus | would find all files > 1Gb |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | wouldn't that take forever? |
| 18:20.59 | Fisker | not on an SSD |
| 18:21.08 | mitchnull | btw, wouldn't it be a nicer fix to just add a new line to one-line tooltips? that way it wouldn't "hide" any tooltips |
| 18:21.11 | Pneumatus | there's no quicker way afaik |
| 18:21.31 | Shirik | ok thanks |
| 18:21.45 | Pneumatus | i tend to du --max-dir=1 and then interrogate individual folders though |
| 18:21.52 | Pneumatus | or --max-depth |
| 18:21.53 | Pneumatus | i forget |
| 18:22.12 | mitchnull | I do du -s * | sort -n |
| 18:22.14 | Arrowmaster | just checked and locate doesnt have any size options |
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| 18:22.33 | Shirik | sort would be even worse |
| 18:22.38 | Pneumatus | yeh, locate is just driven from a name index |
| 18:22.59 | Arrowmaster | locate is the best for finding files by name quickly though |
| 18:23.08 | Pneumatus | yeh, as its pre-indexed |
| 18:23.33 | Fisker | wtf |
| 18:23.41 | Fisker | horde guards attack me :( |
| 18:24.17 | Amarande | Fisker, are you using soul link? |
| 18:25.30 | Amarande | apparently SL has a glitch currently that can cause guards to attack you if you are neutral with them or some such |
| 18:26.16 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:26.18 | jnwhiteh | i applied to a guild |
| 18:26.21 | jnwhiteh | no response yet =( |
| 18:26.33 | syrae | jnwhiteh: on live? |
| 18:26.37 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:26.48 | syrae | jnwhiteh: what kind of guild? Raiding or social? |
| 18:26.59 | syrae | or "other" |
| 18:27.05 | jnwhiteh | its a social guild that has a raiding core. I apped as a social member. |
| 18:27.09 | jnwhiteh | dont know anyone there |
| 18:27.21 | jnwhiteh | hoping my addon author street cred and coherent application helps =) |
| 18:27.26 | syrae | hehe |
| 18:27.39 | syrae | I've been in the same guild for the last 6 years. |
| 18:27.49 | nevcairiel | addon author street cred doesn't get you far =( |
| 18:28.01 | jnwhiteh | truth! |
| 18:28.13 | jnwhiteh | i should bribe them with amazon gift certs |
| 18:28.49 | syrae | My guild's anniversary is actually coming up in December. I know a ton of people guild hop a lot, but I'm always amazed that on every server there's a few old school guilds that never seem to die |
| 18:29.30 | mikma | bribe me |
| 18:29.34 | syrae | jnwhiteh: good luck on your app |
| 18:29.34 | Fisker | jnwhiteh didn't hack google tv yet |
| 18:29.36 | Cide | actually it worked for me |
| 18:29.49 | Cide | me and ts got into juggernaut because of it! |
| 18:29.55 | Cide | and because we're awesome players of course. |
| 18:30.32 | mikma | jnwhiteh: link us the apply so we can lol |
| 18:30.38 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:30.42 | jnwhiteh | mikma: its a private app |
| 18:30.45 | jnwhiteh | done via a php form |
| 18:30.48 | jnwhiteh | i'm not quite sure it worked |
| 18:30.54 | jnwhiteh | I had to submit a sshot of my 'raiding ui' =) |
| 18:30.59 | mikma | haha |
| 18:31.09 | jnwhiteh | and say what addons i use |
| 18:31.16 | jnwhiteh | I was like 'I use the addons I wrote, and other that don't suck shit'. |
| 18:31.46 | Cide | mention ctmod at least 10 times |
| 18:31.56 | Cide | it increases your chances of success by over 9000% in my experience |
| 18:32.00 | mikma | "oh, have you heard these little addons called Clique, TomTom, LightHeaded, PerfectRaid..." |
| 18:32.06 | mikma | "I use them!" |
| 18:32.26 | Cide | 10-11 times is the sweetspot |
| 18:32.41 | mikma | cide: over 9000%? |
| 18:32.47 | Cide | yes |
| 18:33.30 | Cide | why? |
| 18:33.49 | mikma | cide: over 9000%? |
| 18:33.53 | Fisker | mikma Cide |
| 18:33.55 | Cide | yes, why? |
| 18:33.55 | mikma | (notice, i am in fisker mode) |
| 18:34.35 | Fisker | i find that offensive? |
| 18:34.39 | DWSR | Cide: Stop feeding the troll. |
| 18:34.44 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Good answer. |
| 18:34.45 | DWSR | Xinhuan: Thanks. |
| 18:35.37 | Fisker | mikma needs food too DWSR |
| 18:35.50 | mikma | no thanks |
| 18:35.56 | mikma | i live with the blood of virgins |
| 18:36.09 | DWSR | lol |
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| 18:37.04 | Amarande | mikma: you know, you really should actually get around to summoning Kirtonos instead of letting that sit in your inventory |
| 18:37.23 | Kraps | mikma: quit that, we need them for other purposes |
| 18:37.28 | alestane | That's the blood of innocents. |
| 18:37.29 | mikma | amarande: was |
| 18:37.51 | mikma | kraps: yeah lol, like a bunch of nerds is gonna need virgoblood |
| 18:37.54 | mikma | kraps: you are funny |
| 18:38.04 | Cide | they can just cut themselves |
| 18:38.06 | Cide | lololol |
| 18:38.09 | Amarande | btw, did any of you see the WoW stuff in the new MAD? |
| 18:38.09 | Kraps | wink wink nudge nudge know what i mean know what i mean |
| 18:39.26 | mikma | amarande: what the heck is kirtonos |
| 18:40.54 | Fisker | Cide |
| 18:41.25 | Amarande | mikma: Scholomance |
| 18:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | kirtonos is an STD you catch in Strat. |
| 18:41.35 | Amarande | Heya Peppy. :) |
| 18:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Scholo? One of those places. Icky undeadlings. |
| 18:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Amarande. |
| 18:42.13 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 18:42.24 | Fisker | you didn't greet me at Blizzcon :( |
| 18:42.45 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-du, I wasn't AT Blizcon, you silly bear. I sent hugs with Alestane, you should have checked in with him. *poke* |
| 18:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | (as if you were there) |
| 18:43.05 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:43.09 | Fisker | i wasn't |
| 18:43.13 | Fisker | but you could still have said hello |
| 18:43.14 | Amarande | you know what's weird. if you get bat formed with the halloween wand |
| 18:43.16 | Amarande | and you're a hunter |
| 18:43.22 | Amarande | you can't cast mend pet or traps, but you can still shoot |
| 18:44.52 | Kraps | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/october/b2k10_floor2_41.jpg |
| 18:47.23 | industrial | Question: If I queue for a dungeon will I be able to tell chich one it is by the picture of the frame that appears that has the enter dungeon and leave queue buttons on it? |
| 18:47.29 | Xinhuan | no |
| 18:47.41 | Xinhuan | you only know after you click and see teh loading screen |
| 18:47.41 | industrial | darn :P shit randoms :( but I wan tthe bonus |
| 18:47.48 | kd3|netbook | if you queue for a specific dungeon, yes... a random? not til you see the load screen |
| 18:47.55 | kd3|netbook | oh, hey xin. how was the flight? |
| 18:48.03 | Xinhuan | the flight was... lets just say |
| 18:48.14 | Xinhuan | i enjoyed standing for 12 hours at the con |
| 18:48.18 | Xinhuan | more than sitting down for 19 hours |
| 18:48.22 | Xinhuan | on the flight |
| 18:48.23 | kd3|netbook | I bet |
| 18:48.47 | Xinhuan | the flight was also delayed, so i practically had to run from 1 plane to the other during the transit when they called for my name all over teh aiport |
| 18:48.55 | Kraps | can void rays shoot air targets? |
| 18:48.58 | kd3|netbook | ouch |
| 18:49.01 | Xinhuan | yes kraps |
| 18:49.05 | Xinhuan | same beam |
| 18:49.06 | Kraps | damn |
| 18:49.14 | alestane | So, is Runeforging just fried? |
| 18:49.43 | Fisker | i lol'd Kraps |
| 18:51.18 | Kraps | hey theres a website called cosplay.com |
| 18:52.18 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 18:52.25 | Fisker | http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Revue/Logitech-Revue-power-supply/m-p/503364 |
| 18:52.30 | Fisker | guess what jnwhiteh |
| 18:53.41 | Amarande | alestane: I'm not exactly sure what's with the "requires 300" thing |
| 18:53.56 | Amarande | all I know is that it did that at first on Vladoka, then when I first went into Frost Presence it told me my skill had increased to 300 and all was well |
| 18:54.18 | Kraps | hey its the mage http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=242888&id=841284833 |
| 18:55.47 | alestane | Interesting. I can't gain skill from it at the moment, but I'll try cycling my specs and presences. |
| 18:56.06 | Shirik | hi alestane |
| 18:56.10 | Shirik | I trust you made it back OK |
| 18:56.33 | foxlit | "As bees visit flowers to collect nectar and pollen they discover other flowers en route in the wrong order. But they still manage to quickly learn and fly the optimally shortest path between flowers. " |
| 18:56.43 | alestane | Either that or I'm on IRC through my iPhone from behind a dumpster in Indiana somewhere. |
| 18:56.52 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 18:57.09 | Shirik | since Blackberry OS 5.0 came out my IRC program for my phone doesn't work anymore :( |
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| 18:57.15 | alestane | And yes, I'm back fine, thanks for asking. |
| 18:57.22 | Zhinjio | welcome back |
| 18:58.05 | Kraps | alestane: THATS WHAT RANDY JORDAN SAYS |
| 18:58.16 | Xinhuan | i'm famished! |
| 18:58.18 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: vagina? |
| 18:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | irc for iphone? You shares this name? |
| 18:59.19 | industrial | From what level can I dualspec? |
| 18:59.27 | industrial | I only want tank inside instances.. |
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| 18:59.30 | Napoleone | 40 |
| 18:59.33 | industrial | :( |
| 19:00.53 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy has an iphone? |
| 19:01.00 | alestane | Colloquy, Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:01.21 | Xinhuan | i use that too |
| 19:01.22 | alestane | Same as I used to use for Mac. The iPhone version is pretty functional. |
| 19:01.31 | Xinhuan | but irc on an iphone is pretty meh |
| 19:01.38 | Shirik | hey |
| 19:01.42 | Xinhuan | but its something to do if tehre's time to kill |
| 19:01.48 | Shirik | I fixed a server last night using ssh on my blackberry |
| 19:01.53 | Shirik | irc can't be that hard |
| 19:02.22 | Xinhuan | reading small text on a small screen makes me want to cry |
| 19:02.58 | alestane | Swapping specs appeared to fix it, Amarande. |
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| 19:05.42 | Shirik | Xinhuan, that's actually the easy part |
| 19:05.47 | Shirik | the hard part is typing something like |
| 19:05.51 | Shirik | vim /var/log/messages |
| 19:05.57 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 19:06.00 | Shirik | since / and letters are on two different keyboards |
| 19:06.05 | Shirik | so you keep switching back and forth |
| 19:06.08 | Fisker | notepad > vim Shirik |
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| 19:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I do. The crackberry died for the third timein 2 years, I got sick of it. |
| 19:09.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:09.38 | Shirik | I'm getting an iphone soon also :( |
| 19:09.55 | Fisker | i think you should die Shirik |
| 19:10.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:10.48 | Cide | why not get an android? |
| 19:10.53 | Lopeppeppy | Crackberry died again, my iPod got stolen... it just made more sense to replace them both with the same device. And so, the iPhone came into my life, like a crazything. |
| 19:11.00 | Shirik | Cide: Required by work |
| 19:11.07 | Cide | lol? |
| 19:11.08 | Cide | for what? |
| 19:11.20 | Shirik | for that's what we use? |
| 19:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | They paying for it? :) *huggle* |
| 19:11.45 | Shirik | yes but I'm not sure that offsets the amount of depression it is causing me |
| 19:11.48 | Cide | I don't see how "that's what we use" is a requirement for using it unless you need it for something specifics |
| 19:11.55 | Cide | specific |
| 19:11.57 | Cide | I mean |
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| 19:12.02 | Shirik | Cide: Don't ask me it's just what the IT gods have decreed |
| 19:12.10 | Cide | that's stupid then |
| 19:12.16 | Shirik | agreed |
| 19:12.16 | Cide | you can call equally well with any other platform! |
| 19:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. He's made of awesome one way or another. |
| 19:12.22 | Shirik | I think they're just lazy |
| 19:12.35 | Shirik | they used to support both Blackberry and iPhone |
| 19:12.46 | Shirik | and now they're like "yeah.... no more blackberries give them back" |
| 19:13.04 | Shirik | though a valid point has been made in that by doing this they won't have to run the blackberry server anymore |
| 19:13.45 | alayton | im pretty sure theres nothing an iphone does that any android phone cant do that a company would want :| |
| 19:14.00 | Shirik | "it's an iphone" |
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| 19:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | They picked their platform to support. In this age of cutbacks, that's a pretty common thing to do -- cut back the number of things you support, to make it easier for the IT staff. |
| 19:16.54 | Kraps | There is a chat with Dark Water Studios, the indie developers behind the game DogFigher starting in NOW in #DogFighter - please come and join us! QuakeNet is giving away 50 FREE copies of the game *and* there is a special Steam sale coinciding with the chat where you can buy DogFigher for an insane 85% off, now priced at £1.05 / $1.50 / €1.50 |
| 19:17.05 | Kraps | lul |
| 19:19.59 | Kraps | i'm the only non-mod there :( |
| 19:20.24 | A-KO | I have no interest in their game unfortunately |
| 19:20.25 | A-KO | but nothing against them |
| 19:20.29 | A-KO | I haven't even finished Reach yet |
| 19:20.41 | Kraps | could get awkward |
| 19:21.51 | amro | would they give you all 50 copies? |
| 19:22.36 | Kraps | maby if i answer correctly 50 times |
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| 19:23.00 | Kraps | shit i should leave |
| 19:23.32 | Kraps | or should i |
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| 19:26.31 | nicoli_s | why would they encourage dog fighting |
| 19:26.37 | nicoli_s | i mean michael vick got chewed out because of it |
| 19:26.51 | nicoli_s | and you come in here advertising a game about it like its all cool |
| 19:26.55 | Kraps | yur funy |
| 19:28.01 | Kraps | its a pretty big patch |
| 19:28.27 | Kraps | no clue wtf the game is like |
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| 19:30.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:30.43 | Kraps | "ok, thanks to the guys for the write up, there will be a Q&A session now with the developers" ORLY |
| 19:30.56 | brandonjviles | can "({GetScreenResolutions()})[GetCurrentResolution()]" be written "GetScreenResolutions(GetCurrentResolution())" |
| 19:31.03 | Kraps | I'M STILL THE ONLY NON-MOD THERE |
| 19:31.18 | brandonjviles | i dont like how the first one looks |
| 19:31.29 | Jamash | oh lord windows is trying to find solutions to bugs in a program I wrote |
| 19:32.15 | Shirik | no brandonjviles |
| 19:32.21 | Shirik | but you could do |
| 19:32.31 | Shirik | (select(GetCurrentResolution(), GetScreenResolutions())) |
| 19:32.40 | brandonjviles | ahh |
| 19:32.45 | brandonjviles | thats better |
| 19:32.55 | Kraps | hey but they are getting questions |
| 19:33.15 | Kraps | weird |
| 19:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | as in, they are getting questions that you can't see? |
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| 19:34.50 | amro | kraps is in the wrong channel |
| 19:34.52 | amro | wtg |
| 19:35.04 | Kraps | the questions are sent in a whisper but when they answer they write the name of the asker |
| 19:35.35 | amro | they're probably tweeting or some retarded shit |
| 19:35.36 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 19:35.37 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:35.37 | mikma | lol, ISS has internet and astronauts are tweeting |
| 19:35.44 | amro | mikma |
| 19:35.46 | amro | how'd you do that :( |
| 19:35.58 | mikma | so what |
| 19:36.10 | amro | what so what? |
| 19:36.19 | mikma | s/so/do/ |
| 19:36.38 | amro | [20:35] <amro> they're probably tweeting or some retarded shit [20:35] <mikma> lol, ISS has internet and astronauts are tweeting |
| 19:36.40 | amro | at the same time |
| 19:36.42 | Shirik | mikma they should play WoW from space |
| 19:36.53 | amro | afk spacewalk |
| 19:36.58 | Humbedooh | I'd think the latency would be a bitch |
| 19:37.28 | mikma | amro: oh. nice =D |
| 19:38.16 | mikma | yeah would be nice moments |
| 19:38.45 | mikma | "damn guys, i lag like crazy, tanking is hard..." |
| 19:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | Can't be worse than playing Oceania, can it? *grin* |
| 19:39.05 | mikma | 'where are you if you have so sucky internet?' |
| 19:39.12 | mikma | "iss, space" |
| 19:39.47 | mikma | wobin: see whay lopeppeppy did there, unleash the fisken (kraken, fisker ...) |
| 19:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent! Innocent! ...no, really, stop laughing. |
| 19:41.52 | mikma | blood of the innocent |
| 19:41.54 | amro | Kody-: poke |
| 19:42.02 | mikma | now, wheres my virgins |
| 19:42.09 | mikma | oh, there you are |
| 19:42.14 | mikma | hello #wowuidev |
| 19:42.25 | mikma | dun dun duuuuuuuuuun |
| 19:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | Virgin bloody mary I can manage, the rest is up to you. |
| 19:43.54 | amro | hokay can we get back to tweeting from the ISS? |
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| 19:44.13 | cralor | I need a decent remote access program. One that isn't laggy / lets me install programs on the server / easy to setup. Suggestions? |
| 19:44.21 | mikma | amro: tweety |
| 19:44.30 | mikma | cralor: ssh |
| 19:44.42 | Shirik | cralor: mstsc |
| 19:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | cralor: ftp! |
| 19:44.52 | amro | mstsk |
| 19:45.02 | Shirik | wtf is mstsk |
| 19:45.05 | amro | cygwin+openssh wins |
| 19:45.08 | amro | it's a pun |
| 19:45.10 | amro | tsk tsk... |
| 19:45.12 | amro | :( |
| 19:45.17 | Shirik | groans |
| 19:45.18 | cralor | I mean like desktop sharing. |
| 19:45.18 | durcyn | i always read mstsc as 'mistake' |
| 19:45.27 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 19:45.28 | cralor | I want to be able to see the computer |
| 19:45.30 | Xinhuan | 252 unread mail |
| 19:45.31 | Xinhuan | zzz |
| 19:45.33 | durcyn | amro: what platform |
| 19:45.40 | Shirik | cralor: Windows? If it is you can't beat mstsc |
| 19:45.45 | Shirik | People have tried to, and failed |
| 19:45.47 | durcyn | er cralor whatever |
| 19:45.49 | mikma | well |
| 19:45.49 | cralor | Ok :) |
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| 19:46.06 | mikma | seeing the computer would require binoculars or webcam |
| 19:46.07 | cralor | Oh ya... does Steam Ded. Servers support linux? |
| 19:46.17 | durcyn | if you're paranoid, tunnel RDP through SSH, i wouldn't leave it open through the internet |
| 19:46.44 | Shirik | RDP is encrypted no? |
| 19:46.48 | durcyn | the half-life based ones do, cralor |
| 19:47.04 | durcyn | or if not SSH, then something like port knocking to prevent brute-force attempts |
| 19:47.05 | cralor | I think I have to stick to windows just because of TF2 and the like. |
| 19:47.19 | cralor | will try MSTSC, thanks. |
| 19:47.30 | cralor | is that just Remote Desktop Connection? |
| 19:47.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:47.48 | Shirik | it's correctly "terminal services client" |
| 19:47.49 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: "Just a reminder, YOU CANNOT TALK IN HERE! This channel has HIDDEN USERS and is MODERATED. There is well over 1000 users in here." |
| 19:47.56 | Shirik | or, including the server, "terminal services" |
| 19:48.16 | cralor | Shirik: to i need to do anything server-side to enable or configure it? |
| 19:48.23 | Shirik | if it's Windows Server, no |
| 19:48.35 | Shirik | if it's Windows 7, etc., you probably need to turn it on |
| 19:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | ninjas, kraps. Run away, fast. |
| 19:48.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 19:49.04 | Shirik | ok gotta go bye |
| 19:54.02 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/42500 |
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| 19:58.25 | Antiarc | Things that blow: getting your gmail account hijacked :( |
| 19:58.33 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 19:58.47 | mikma | antiarc: lol |
| 19:59.45 | cbreak | hijacked? how would that happen? |
| 19:59.52 | cbreak | key logger? stupidly easy password? |
| 19:59.55 | cbreak | or a bug? |
| 20:00.12 | cbreak | maybe an actually reasonable answer for password reset question? |
| 20:00.19 | mikma | stupidity is not a hijack |
| 20:00.31 | cbreak | (one of the least secure password restore options) |
| 20:00.37 | cbreak | oh, hijacking is the result |
| 20:00.43 | cbreak | stupidity a possible cause |
| 20:01.26 | nevcairiel | I hate pages that have a mandatory password reset question |
| 20:01.37 | nevcairiel | i end up putting my secondary password as the answer |
| 20:01.52 | nevcairiel | I won't forget my password, thank you very much |
| 20:01.52 | cbreak | I just ask the all mighty dev random to propose me a password |
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| 20:04.47 | Antiarc | I don't know how it happened. I have a 10-character unique password, I never use anything but SSL for gmail, Flash is up to date, I use Chrome, my password reset "question" answer is a 1024-bit random key. |
| 20:05.24 | Antiarc | And I don't use Adobe Reader. |
| 20:07.01 | A-KO | reader x should fix a lot of security issues :P |
| 20:07.04 | A-KO | they need to hurry up already |
| 20:07.20 | nevcairiel | yeah, they're sandboxing the whole thing now |
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| 20:07.35 | amro | a bit late |
| 20:08.00 | A-KO | little late |
| 20:08.01 | A-KO | but not too late |
| 20:14.04 | Maldivia | anyone interesting in a 26" long juicy-good "worm"? |
| 20:14.07 | Maldivia | http://www.vat19.com/dvds/worlds-largest-gummy-worm.cfm |
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| 20:14.57 | Arrowmaster | ok it may be largest by mass but its not by length |
| 20:16.09 | Maldivia | but it's not the size that matters.... or is it? |
| 20:22.41 | A-KO | dude |
| 20:22.42 | A-KO | holy shit |
| 20:22.45 | A-KO | a $30 gummy worm |
| 20:22.48 | A-KO | 3 pounds |
| 20:23.06 | A-KO | that's pretty hardcore |
| 20:23.59 | amro | not big enough |
| 20:24.43 | Maldivia | then go for the gummy bear instead |
| 20:24.58 | Xinhuan | New posts: 1,565 |
| 20:25.02 | Xinhuan | (on wowinterface in 6 days) |
| 20:25.03 | Xinhuan | meh |
| 20:25.30 | amro | Maldivia: I'd resell it to tekkub |
| 20:25.36 | Maldivia | amro: it only has 12600 kcal... or almost a weeks worth :) |
| 20:26.03 | amro | I'd eat that in a day |
| 20:26.19 | Maldivia | 5 pounds of gummy bear in a day... |
| 20:26.20 | Maldivia | ew |
| 20:26.39 | amro | okay maybe not one day |
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| 20:39.24 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 20:39.27 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 20:40.25 | Duman- | hmm |
| 20:53.42 | Napoleone | http://www.youtube.com/warcraft#p/u/2/Wq4Y7ztznKc |
| 20:53.46 | Napoleone | dam that video is awesome |
| 20:54.18 | Fisker | it's more old than awesome |
| 21:01.05 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: sorry to hear that =/ |
| 21:01.20 | Antiarc | I'm really kind of spooked because I have no idea how they'd have gotten in. |
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| 21:08.56 | brandonjviles | virtual frames are not actually rendered, they are just there for "real" frames to inherit attributes from correct? |
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| 21:10.18 | Arrowmaster | right |
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| 21:28.18 | brandonjviles | anyone know the function to Set a frame to be virtual? |
| 21:28.23 | A-KO | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/porn-pros-hope-to-squelch-online-piracy-by-2012.ars < glwt |
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| 21:28.43 | Arrowmaster | cant be done, can only do it from xml |
| 21:29.01 | brandonjviles | ok |
| 21:29.24 | brandonjviles | i like that kind of answer :D |
| 21:30.36 | cbreak | you can make a template function |
| 21:30.43 | cbreak | one that creates you as many frames as you want |
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| 21:36.35 | brandonjviles | oh thanks cbreak |
| 21:37.50 | cbreak | but be aware |
| 21:38.10 | cbreak | every frame you create will haunt you until you reload the UI, your game crashes, or you quit it |
| 21:40.16 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 21:40.22 | Kraps | i robot is so win |
| 21:40.30 | brandonjviles | i read that frames cannot be deleted |
| 21:40.36 | brandonjviles | once created |
| 21:41.00 | cbreak | Kraps: I didn't like that book much. |
| 21:41.08 | cbreak | many of his other ones were much better |
| 21:41.12 | Kraps | the movie |
| 21:41.57 | brandonjviles | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/142079 <--code http://img832.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot102510163717.jpg/ <--Result Supposed to span entire screen<---Problem |
| 21:43.59 | frontendloader | brandonjviles: try this http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetAllPoints |
| 21:44.04 | brandonjviles | i know my functions to find width and height are correct |
| 21:44.13 | brandonjviles | ok |
| 21:46.47 | brandonjviles | AHHH |
| 21:46.51 | brandonjviles | UI SCALE |
| 21:47.08 | frontendloader | heh |
| 21:47.25 | frontendloader | SetAllPoints should just allow you to sidestep all of that if you're doing what I think you're doing |
| 21:47.31 | brandonjviles | yeah |
| 21:47.32 | cogwheel | Do you actually need to calculate width and height? |
| 21:47.37 | cogwheel | is slow |
| 21:47.41 | brandonjviles | i know im doing it hard way |
| 21:47.42 | cogwheel | blames lag to his home server |
| 21:48.25 | brandonjviles | i could just SetAllPoints(UIParent) but what if i need definitive values later |
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| 21:48.57 | cbreak | clear the points |
| 21:49.01 | cbreak | and set those you want to set |
| 21:49.09 | brandonjviles | >.< |
| 21:49.25 | frontendloader | depends on what you mean by difinitive |
| 21:50.03 | frontendloader | you can still set regions relative to the edges/corners of the all-encompasing orange tint |
| 21:50.18 | brandonjviles | well, yeah |
| 21:51.00 | brandonjviles | i guess i would never need width functions unless i need to validate that their screen width is large enough for a certain template |
| 21:52.30 | brandonjviles | i wonder if i can take varScreenWidth/varUIScale |
| 21:52.42 | brandonjviles | brb |
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| 21:56.09 | brandonjviles | oh found a neat function SetupFullscreenScale(frame) |
| 21:57.38 | MoonWitch | how';s everyone doing? |
| 21:58.47 | brandonjviles | good |
| 21:58.51 | Amarande | good |
| 21:58.58 | MoonWitch | good to hear :) |
| 21:59.02 | Amarande | off to farm up some gromsblood, though, as that always sells for stupid expensive on AH |
| 21:59.22 | Amarande | gromsblood and essence of air ... two classic mats I will never, ever buy from AH |
| 21:59.27 | MoonWitch | every single herb sells for insane prices on my server |
| 22:00.03 | cbreak | not on mine ;/ |
| 22:00.28 | xyphoid | i was pleasantly surprised to discover the lifeblood change today |
| 22:00.36 | MoonWitch | oh? |
| 22:00.40 | MoonWitch | I've not checked it yet |
| 22:00.42 | cbreak | describe. |
| 22:00.43 | xyphoid | it's a haste cooldown now |
| 22:00.47 | MoonWitch | OOOH |
| 22:00.51 | MoonWitch | now that be sexy |
| 22:01.00 | xyphoid | so yeah, herbalism is a dps profession now |
| 22:01.02 | cbreak | it's like that in live already. |
| 22:01.25 | xyphoid | 240 haste rating for 20 secs 2 min cooldown |
| 22:01.54 | Amarande | So if Blizzard's basically treating each level in Cata like what would have been 2 levels before |
| 22:02.14 | Amarande | does this mean, for instance, that quests will stay yellow only one level below, or is it still +/- 2 for yellow? |
| 22:04.55 | Xinhuan | same |
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| 22:20.03 | Amarande | goddamnit. |
| 22:20.32 | Amarande | is there a console command to pop up the keyring, or am I going to have to turn off gBags and relog to move my relic coffer keys between toons. |
| 22:22.47 | Maldivia | tried something like /run ToggleKeyRing() |
| 22:23.39 | Tuller | there should be a binding for it |
| 22:25.07 | Amarande | Maldivia: ahh, there we go |
| 22:25.12 | Amarande | I was trying to find the command in lists and wasn't finding it |
| 22:25.37 | Amarande | I have the heart of the mountain quest on my hunter, ergo, need to send her the Relic Coffer Keys |
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| 22:47.38 | MoonWitch | weeee Saw :) |
| 22:49.39 | Amarande | and back in the queue for BRD. now to find out if Shadra is soloable as BM at 55. |
| 22:50.03 | Amarande | does bestial wrath remove CC on your pet btw or only give immunity to new CC? |
| 22:50.23 | MoonWitch | I love this movie |
| 22:51.34 | MoonWitch | I wish I could tell this chick that a knife will not cut through the bones of her arm :( |
| 22:52.22 | Amarande | Saw should be required viewing for all RPG GMs. :) |
| 22:52.24 | MoonWitch | there we go -- meat cleaver :) |
| 22:52.39 | MoonWitch | much better but both will die from blood loss |
| 22:52.42 | Amarande | Especially with rogues as they are in D&D 3.x and 4.x, you need traps that *don't* fall prey to a simple disable device roll ;) |
| 22:53.18 | MoonWitch | and Amarande I agree :) |
| 22:53.20 | A-KO | blizzard needs to release a 1080P downloadable version of that video :( |
| 22:53.48 | Dajova | u know... 1080p and 720p isnt that much of a difference |
| 22:54.03 | Dajova | sometimes 720p is even better looking |
| 22:54.04 | MoonWitch | one plays smoothly on my laptop, the other doesn't |
| 22:54.06 | cbreak | 50% |
| 22:54.08 | Dajova | at least on youtube |
| 22:54.12 | A-KO | I own an iphone 4 for the simple fact of screen resolution |
| 22:54.17 | A-KO | there's a difference |
| 22:54.20 | cbreak | 50% difference in height |
| 22:54.48 | MoonWitch | mmmm human goo |
| 22:55.11 | A-KO | I don't want to know what that's referring to MoonWitch :P |
| 22:55.16 | Mirrormn | I think a lot of times you'll get a 1080p video that has the same bitrate as a corresponding 720p video so the 1080p does not show the amount of increased quality that it really should |
| 22:55.19 | TC-Work | looks at MoonWitch oddly |
| 22:55.23 | MoonWitch | I like gore movies |
| 22:55.28 | MoonWitch | had a gore scene ;) |
| 22:55.39 | TC-Work | sounds more like a porn scene |
| 22:55.52 | MoonWitch | I'm watching Saw VI ;) |
| 22:55.52 | cbreak | 1080p does imply nothing about quality |
| 22:56.06 | amro | now I'm thinking of a gory porn scene. die TC-Work :( |
| 22:56.07 | cbreak | only thing it says is that the vertical resolution is 1080 progressive lines. |
| 22:56.45 | TC-Work | amro: they are coming out with a major studio 3D porno soon. I'm sure that will be part of it |
| 22:56.56 | TC-Work | gogo snuff films....right? |
| 22:57.01 | Mirrormn | "they"? |
| 22:57.12 | TC-Work | more than one porno company i think |
| 22:57.22 | amro | yeah I'd imagine there'd be a race to that |
| 22:57.35 | TC-Work | though one is a hentai studio |
| 22:57.42 | Mirrormn | you could have asily meant "the creators of the Saw movies" as "they", which would be really disturbing |
| 22:57.51 | Mirrormn | *easily |
| 22:59.46 | MoonWitch | See one thing comes to mind though |
| 23:00.18 | MoonWitch | The creators of Saw series, have some seriously fucked up minds |
| 23:01.35 | amro | or it could be the illuminati |
| 23:01.43 | MoonWitch | true |
| 23:01.45 | amro | bastards are behind dang errythang these days |
| 23:01.51 | amro | dang near* |
| 23:01.51 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 23:02.43 | xyphoid | adblock doesn't hide the fnords |
| 23:03.02 | Mr_Rabies | when i do a ui reload, do this session's saved variables save, get deleted, or still stay in limbo until i fully logout? |
| 23:03.21 | Wobin | saved |
| 23:03.22 | MoonWitch | they get written to the saved vars |
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| 23:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | ah there's no option to make auctioneer reload ui after a scan so i guess it doesn't really matter anyway :p |
| 23:05.47 | MoonWitch | do it manually if you have an unstable client |
| 23:05.58 | Mr_Rabies | i was tempted to do that just so i don't get the fps hit that auctioneer seems to provide |
| 23:06.04 | MoonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.47 | xyphoid | is anyone seeing a weird effect where you mount midcombat after casting a spell |
| 23:07.02 | Mr_Rabies | that used to work before the patch but i guess i ended up uninstalling all my ace-based addons |
| 23:07.17 | xyphoid | i'm seeing it doing netherwing things but it persists elsewhere in outland |
| 23:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | i found alternatives for most of the ones that i had that were no longer maintained |
| 23:07.32 | TC-Work | how do you mount in combat? |
| 23:07.35 | xyphoid | cast flame shock, and i'm instantly on my flying mount while still in combat |
| 23:07.45 | kd3|netbook | hax |
| 23:07.59 | TC-Work | can you fly or is it a graphical glitch? |
| 23:08.08 | xyphoid | i can fly away |
| 23:08.19 | xyphoid | the mob then evades |
| 23:08.35 | MoonWitch | hax |
| 23:08.38 | TC-Work | heh, go do that in pvp |
| 23:08.52 | kd3|netbook | make a post on bug reports indicating how you can reproduce it then immediately edit it out |
| 23:09.05 | xyphoid | doesn't work in azeroth alas |
| 23:09.08 | kd3|netbook | title it 'mounting in combat?' or something. it'll get QA's attention pretty quickly |
| 23:10.17 | xyphoid | i will try and get a reliable testcase, it seems to be something to do with the netherwing mount disguise but i don't have a clear reproduce sequence yet |
| 23:10.20 | TC-Work | xyphoid: does it work while falling? |
| 23:10.36 | kd3|netbook | oh, it's netherwing? that buff is all kinds of broken |
| 23:10.39 | kd3|netbook | has been since 2.1 |
| 23:10.47 | xyphoid | it kept happening in nagrand though |
| 23:10.59 | kd3|netbook | still, if you can get a consistent repro, report it |
| 23:11.32 | xyphoid | i shall |
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| 23:14.19 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:15.39 | Amarande | fuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 23:15.49 | Amarande | apparently, I just picked the worst weekend possible to do BRD. |
| 23:16.13 | Amarande | it's AV holiday weekend. |
| 23:16.23 | Amarande | and in the 50s, a single AV win during holiday weekend is apparently virtually a level. :| |
| 23:16.29 | amro | there is no good time to do BRD |
| 23:16.38 | Amarande | our group just all bailed because someone HAD to tell them that. |
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| 23:17.05 | Amarande | at least this time I still have six levels before I stop being able to queue here. :) |
| 23:27.06 | TC-Work | i hated doing BRD. people are stupid about that place |
| 23:27.25 | xyphoid | tanking it was fun since you got to actually lead people in the right direction |
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| 23:30.37 | Tuller | waffles |
| 23:31.52 | Amarande | TC: it was fun enough till the healer blabbed about it being AV weekend and everyone ditched |
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| 23:37.05 | grilowow | sweet, a million people |
| 23:37.20 | grilowow | newbie, as in i've read my first tutorial 15 minutes ago |
| 23:37.45 | grilowow | so the tutorial mentioned creating a test.xml and do all the frame stuff there |
| 23:38.01 | grilowow | but i've seen some addons don't use that xml file at all, and i'm guessing they type it all down |
| 23:38.04 | Amarande | yaaaaaay, our tank DC'd |
| 23:38.17 | Amarande | have the rest of you been seeing an unusual number of DCs in dungeons since 4.0? |
| 23:38.18 | grilowow | i'm curious to know where i could get resources which would point me that way |
| 23:38.29 | Wobin | Amarande: not in dungeons |
| 23:38.39 | Wobin | entering and leaving |
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| 23:39.23 | MoonWitch | Amarande, I still lose connection with the server when I enter/leave/zone in/out |
| 23:44.23 | MoonWitch | poor kd3 |
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| 23:47.29 | Amarande | also it seems like tanks have been sucking lately |
| 23:47.54 | MoonWitch | the few things I ran I did with a strange tank, it was her offspec and she was amazing |
| 23:48.08 | MoonWitch | though I've done one run with a tank that just -- sucked lol |
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| 23:51.12 | DarthAndroid_ | Amarande: define sucking - not holding enough threat? |
| 23:53.08 | Kraps | http://jalopnik.com/5672809/how-an-ipad-got-a-guy-placed-on-the-no+fly-list |
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