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| 00:00.54 | Mirrormn | I'm not really sure I understand what the big deal is with the new skin, anyway |
| 00:01.13 | DWSR | It really is ugly. |
| 00:01.16 | MentalPower | too many ads, not enough content |
| 00:01.30 | DWSR | Or breaks Chrome. |
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| 00:01.58 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 00:02.01 | Mirrormn | I'm looking at it right now, and the only real difference that stands out to me is that its overall layout in proportion to the page is too thin |
| 00:02.33 | DWSR | Mirrormn: What resolution screen are you using? |
| 00:02.41 | Mirrormn | 1600x1200 |
| 00:03.20 | Mirrormn | I mean I'm not saying it looks great, but completely splintering the domain just seems a little overkill to me |
| 00:03.31 | DWSR | there are a lot of other things wrong with it. |
| 00:03.53 | DWSR | s/with it/with Wikia/ |
| 00:04.09 | Mirrormn | I guess that is specifically what I'm asking, then |
| 00:04.28 | Mirrormn | what are the other things that are wrong with wikia? is this more of a final nail in the coffin issue? |
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| 00:04.34 | DWSR | Yers. |
| 00:04.35 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 00:05.33 | foxlit | Fundamentally, the problem is that the ToU is basically "It's Wikia way or the highway" and the highway seemed more appealing |
| 00:06.07 | DWSR | Realms up? |
| 00:06.26 | alestane | Possibly. |
| 00:06.36 | alestane | It's showing my characters. |
| 00:07.20 | alestane | It's attempting to log me in. |
| 00:07.42 | alestane | And I'm in the game. |
| 00:07.44 | Kraps | kirin tor is not on the list |
| 00:07.57 | alestane | They don't always all come up simultaneously. |
| 00:08.01 | Kraps | now it is |
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| 00:09.27 | amro | sounds like I might start using wowwiki again after all |
| 00:09.30 | amro | if the move goes through |
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| 00:12.37 | Kraps | OMG HALP ME SPEC |
| 00:12.45 | Kraps | jees |
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| 00:13.19 | DWSR | Well, apparently I found the key combination for "close this channel window" in XChat. Now, if only I knew what I hit... |
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| 00:15.11 | Mirrormn | and now is the time where I struggle frantically to update all my mods |
| 00:15.20 | DWSR | Don't bother. |
| 00:15.23 | DWSR | Start fresh, it's easier. |
| 00:15.38 | Kraps | what about all the settings? |
| 00:15.42 | DWSR | Trust me. |
| 00:15.43 | DWSR | Start over. |
| 00:15.51 | DWSR | I've done this for every major release of this game. |
| 00:15.57 | Kraps | :( |
| 00:16.15 | DWSR | Curse Client, you need to offer an option to start fresh |
| 00:16.18 | Kraps | i worked a bit to get dominoes the way i wanted |
| 00:17.07 | DWSR | Yeah, switch to Bartender. |
| 00:17.17 | DWSR | :P |
| 00:17.21 | Kraps | why?! |
| 00:17.26 | DWSR | Seriously though, I would just remove all of my addon folders and leave the SVs. |
| 00:17.29 | DWSR | Then start over. |
| 00:17.37 | DWSR | If you have settings that carry over and the mod works, awesome. |
| 00:17.43 | DWSR | Otherwise you know you can blow it away easily. |
| 00:17.45 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: ctrl-w? |
| 00:17.49 | DWSR | btw, LDB display mods that work? |
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| 00:17.51 | Mirrormn | well I have to raid in 15 minutes so I don't exactly have time to redo everything |
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| 00:18.02 | DWSR | Yeah, thanks Arrowmaster. |
| 00:18.06 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: do i win a cookie? |
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| 00:18.20 | DWSR | gives Arrowmaster a hash brownie |
| 00:18.43 | Arrowmaster | try ctrl-i |
| 00:19.07 | DWSR | Now how do I pop it back in? |
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| 00:19.15 | DWSR | nevermind. |
| 00:20.29 | Kraps | DWSR: SVs are... |
| 00:20.36 | DWSR | SavedVariables. |
| 00:20.40 | DWSR | i.e., your preferences. |
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| 00:20.53 | DWSR | Anyone know of a mod that allows you to snap frames to a grid? |
| 00:20.55 | Amarande | anyone else getting atrocious launcher download rates? |
| 00:21.02 | DWSR | No. |
| 00:21.06 | Amarande | seriously I haven't seen a DL rate this bad since dialup |
| 00:21.07 | DWSR | Stop failing at the interwebs. |
| 00:21.07 | Kraps | in WTF or the addon folder itself? |
| 00:21.12 | DWSR | Kraps: WTF. |
| 00:21.15 | Kraps | k |
| 00:24.54 | DWSR | mass uninstalling addons broke CurseClient. |
| 00:24.58 | DWSR | Kaelten!! |
| 00:25.21 | Kaelten | DWSR ! |
| 00:25.25 | Kaelten | mac client? |
| 00:25.27 | DWSR | No. |
| 00:25.33 | DWSR | Windows 7, no UAC. |
| 00:25.34 | Kaelten | clientsupport.curse.com |
| 00:25.39 | Amarande | DWSR: I'm assuming this means that the ready-addons rate this patch is pretty dismal? |
| 00:25.54 | Kraps | 27k heath on a priest woot |
| 00:25.54 | DWSR | Amarande: I always start from scratch every expansion. |
| 00:25.59 | Amarande | and that I'd better either get used to the Blizz UI again or go play Dragon Age for a while? |
| 00:26.37 | Kraps | DWSR: will 4..3 break stuff again? |
| 00:26.43 | DWSR | Most likely not. |
| 00:26.53 | DWSR | When you see a major version number change, stuff breaks. |
| 00:27.21 | DWSR | Minor patches, i.e. 4.0->4.1 don't tend to break stuff too badly unless they introduce a new feature. |
| 00:27.25 | Amarande | Yeah, I think there's only been one minor patch level that I remember really breaking stuff. |
| 00:27.33 | Amarande | 2.4.1, IIRC, was the doozy in that regard |
| 00:27.45 | DWSR | There's been a few, but usually only a small subset of your mods will stop working. |
| 00:27.53 | DWSR | In my experience, expansions are just a massive pain in the ass. |
| 00:28.02 | DWSR | Start over. You get a chance to play with the default UI's features. |
| 00:28.03 | Amarande | Yeah. 2.4.1 was the worst because they changed something in the combat log, which breaks a *lot* of stuff |
| 00:28.18 | Kaelten | we've had a lot of addons updated but seems a lot of poeple haven't flagged releases yet |
| 00:28.19 | [Wobin] | damn the new launcher |
| 00:28.23 | Amarande | And really, there's only a couple of things that REALLY grind my gears with the default UI |
| 00:28.27 | [Wobin] | gave me a shock when it did the "phase complete" noise |
| 00:28.29 | DWSR | I'm personally looking forward to the built in PAC. |
| 00:28.36 | DWSR | [Wobin]: Get Windows 7. |
| 00:28.42 | DWSR | And mute individual applications. |
| 00:28.44 | Amarande | Mostly, it's that since I started using Bartender, I'm used to having 5-6 rows of all-available action bar each with their own keybindings |
| 00:29.03 | DWSR | Oh christ. |
| 00:29.09 | DWSR | Learn to modifier. |
| 00:29.14 | Amarande | And the default UI only shows 1 at a time. Plus there's no way to lock buttons that I've seen, so you have to be careful not to drag stuff. |
| 00:29.24 | DWSR | Amarande: The default UI shows up to 5. |
| 00:29.34 | DWSR | default, bottom left, bottom right, right, right 2. |
| 00:29.37 | Amarande | The other thing that bugs me about the default UI is that most of the widgets can't be moved. |
| 00:30.41 | alestane | The default UI has been switched to lacking bars by default AFAIK. |
| 00:31.29 | Amarande | that's if I ever get to see the UI |
| 00:31.45 | Amarande | by the time the Launcher finishes installing stuff and gets to Playable, everything will probably be updated LOL |
| 00:31.49 | Amarande | I'm getting like ... 2.0 KB/sec. |
| 00:31.59 | Amarande | I haven't seen a rate this bad since dialup, or when the Internet is down. |
| 00:32.22 | Xyphoid | i've just given up i'll copy my buddy's install tonight |
| 00:32.36 | A-KO | hmm |
| 00:32.39 | Xyphoid | keeps failing on the copying MPQs around stage |
| 00:32.41 | A-KO | can you train flying in kalimdor yet? prob not |
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| 00:33.10 | Hirsute | A-KO: No |
| 00:33.17 | Amarande | wait, don't tell me you have to pay separately for Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms now :| |
| 00:33.24 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:33.32 | Hirsute | Amarande: When Cata hits you will |
| 00:33.37 | Amarande | A-KO: you can, however, ride flying mounts on the ground |
| 00:33.45 | Amarande | Hirsute: it's not one combined fee for Azeroth, you have to pay 250 PER CONTINENT? |
| 00:33.55 | Hirsute | Amarande: I misunderstood what you meant. |
| 00:34.01 | Hirsute | It's one fee for all of old world |
| 00:34.08 | Dewin | Hmm. Graphics bug I reported on day 3 of beta and it made it all the way to live. >.> |
| 00:34.31 | Dewin | and a Blue has the same bug. |
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| 00:37.06 | Hirsute | Yay! Down to only one error. |
| 00:37.22 | Hirsute | I just need to figure out what's using LibFilter-Professions and I might get down to no errors. |
| 00:38.32 | Amarande | Dewin: what's that? |
| 00:38.42 | Amarande | and is it something in the UI graphics or something even the most modded UI will get? |
| 00:39.40 | Hirsute | Heh. I think Linkerator just made my client hang. |
| 00:39.54 | Amarande | hrmmm. |
| 00:40.06 | Amarande | come to think of it. does the Blizzard Downloader have some sort of "be nice and seed" policy? |
| 00:40.16 | Amarande | would the fact that I'm not letting people connect TO my downloader be why my download rate's been nerfed? |
| 00:40.47 | Amarande | since everything *else* works just fine, except for the usual "your computer appears to be behind a firewall" message and nothing ELSE is slowed to near zero |
| 00:41.02 | Dagmar | Uh yes |
| 00:41.03 | Amarande | did they decide to throttle the download rate for anyone who was detected as not allowing incoming seeding? |
| 00:41.17 | Dagmar | No that's just the way the protocol works |
| 00:41.23 | dankna | Amarande: the BT protocol does that |
| 00:41.31 | dankna | Amarande: with no special decision on Blizzard's part to support it |
| 00:41.33 | Amarande | I never see it on any *other* patch |
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| 00:41.45 | Amarande | How does BT require people to be able to connect *to* your computer to *download*? |
| 00:41.46 | dankna | there are many factors that affect download speeds |
| 00:41.47 | Dagmar | Well let's get all hysterical about this one since it'll be the last |
| 00:42.06 | Amarande | I don't get that, unless it's based on some bad FTP code from back in the day |
| 00:42.10 | dankna | if you are actually asking about the technical details, there is a wonderful wiki about them by the people who made Azureus |
| 00:42.19 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because if they can't connect to you, they can't send any data now can they? |
| 00:42.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: Don't you connect to the seed, though, not the other way round? |
| 00:42.35 | Dewin | Amarande: It's not UI graphics, it's world graphics |
| 00:42.36 | Dagmar | No. |
| 00:42.37 | Amarande | You'd think OUTBOUND allowed would be enough. |
| 00:42.38 | dankna | if you are merely expressing disbelief as a way of telling us you think we're liars and/or because you want a reason to be angry at Blizz, frankly, I don't care |
| 00:42.47 | Dagmar | No, Outbound alone isn't enough |
| 00:42.48 | Dewin | On older video cards, things like the grill in the bank that used to have a transparent portion are now an ugly blue instead. |
| 00:42.51 | Amarande | Unless this is indeed based on bad ancient FTP code :) |
| 00:42.55 | Dagmar | "You" might think that |
| 00:43.06 | alestane | You can only download so much data from the seeds...to download more, you connect to peers for anything they have that you don't yet. |
| 00:43.14 | DWSR | Additionally. |
| 00:43.18 | DWSR | Seeds can connect to you |
| 00:43.20 | Amarande | since like I was going to say, the last time I ever had a *downloader* need the source to connect *to* you, was back in the days of FTP before Passive became the norm |
| 00:43.28 | alestane | But you can only do that if they can connect back to you. |
| 00:43.29 | DWSR | Because some of /them/ can't receive inbound connections |
| 00:43.35 | dankna | the basic principle is that you are getting data from peers. to avoid "leeching", a phenomenon where nobody can get any download from peers because seeds are overloaded with requesters who do not give back, |
| 00:43.38 | dankna | everyone is required to give back |
| 00:43.42 | Amarande | alestane: exactly, you connect to peers, they don't connect to you |
| 00:43.44 | Amarande | ah. |
| 00:43.45 | Dagmar | If no one's able to connect to you, the number of hosts you could potentially be connected to will be much smaller |
| 00:43.46 | dankna | because "peers" includes "you" |
| 00:43.48 | Amarande | it can go either way. |
| 00:43.54 | Dagmar | Fewer hosts means fewer hosts willing to send to you |
| 00:43.58 | Jamash | peer = peer = peer |
| 00:44.08 | Amarande | and I suppose BT software is generally designed to refuse connections if a reciprocal seed isn't detected, too |
| 00:44.14 | DWSR | No. |
| 00:44.15 | Jamash | no |
| 00:44.22 | dankna | no - it will just throttle you down to a trickle |
| 00:44.25 | DWSR | ^\ |
| 00:44.26 | Amarande | I know a lot of *ahem* pirate BT stuff is designed that way, but I can't imagine Blizzard's would be. :) |
| 00:44.34 | Jamash | IF you can't accept incoming connections *nobody behind a firewall can connect to you* |
| 00:44.35 | dankna | it's sound design |
| 00:44.36 | Dagmar | FFS Man |
| 00:44.37 | DWSR | Amarande, you really have no idea. |
| 00:44.43 | DWSR | Please, shut the fuck up. |
| 00:44.47 | Jamash | ^ |
| 00:44.48 | Dagmar | Quit making up your own rules about how you think BT works and listen for a momnent |
| 00:45.02 | Dagmar | The fucking protocol works the same everywhere |
| 00:45.07 | dankna | or go join #bittorrent, which I'm sure exists, and bother them about it :) |
| 00:45.12 | Jamash | there are two groups of peers, ones who can accept incoming connections and ones who can't |
| 00:45.17 | Dagmar | There's no special "pirate" BT download protocol. |
| 00:45.20 | dankna | http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Main_Page also has a wealth of valuable technical information |
| 00:45.29 | Fisker | slaps Jamash around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:45.35 | DWSR | Jamash: Connectable and unconnectable. |
| 00:45.47 | Jamash | peers of the first kind can connect to everyone, peers of the second kind can only connect to peers of the first kind |
| 00:46.01 | DWSR | If you are connectable, you get better speeds. |
| 00:46.01 | Jamash | if you want to talk to everyone, become a peer of the first kind |
| 00:46.14 | Amarande | So if you can connect to them, but they can't connect to you, they're programmed to transfer you to a lower priority queue and initiate the sanitiz ... bah, too many HoS runs. :) But yeah, I'm guessing they're programmed to prioritize people who are also sharing and push anyone who is not to the bottom? |
| 00:46.21 | Dagmar | No. |
| 00:46.25 | Jamash | NO |
| 00:46.28 | DWSR | No... |
| 00:46.29 | dankna | it's purely based on how much you have uploaded |
| 00:46.33 | DWSR | ^ |
| 00:46.37 | dankna | if they can't connect to you, de facto you are going to be uploading less |
| 00:46.45 | Dagmar | The whole damn thing "works" based on the principle of _rarest-first_ |
| 00:46.53 | dankna | as an emergent phenomenon, not as a specific programming case |
| 00:47.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not always true, but generally true. |
| 00:47.14 | Dagmar | The least-represented chunks, based on data collected from all hosts it's seen, are what gets priority to be sent |
| 00:47.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: ah, now I think I'm starting to get it. |
| 00:47.39 | Dagmar | dwsr: Not true if your client is broken, or you're one of those users trying to force a given file |
| 00:47.48 | Amarande | the rarest chunks are the ones everyone's after, so they're the ones you get stuck on and watch your DL speed go to nil. :) |
| 00:47.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: Superseeding. |
| 00:47.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: Or selective seeds. |
| 00:48.01 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 00:48.06 | DWSR | Superseeding isn't broken, however. |
| 00:48.22 | Dagmar | and has jack and shit to do with the problem at hand |
| 00:48.30 | Amarande | wow after it got out of the Setup stage, the download rate went up to over 1MB/sec |
| 00:48.32 | DWSR | Oh, of course, I'm just pointing it out. |
| 00:48.37 | Dagmar | Actually, at this point I fucking give up |
| 00:48.42 | DWSR | There we go. |
| 00:48.44 | Dagmar | Amarande, read a web page |
| 00:48.47 | Amarande | Also: you have to remember, about the only thing I use BT for is WoW patches. |
| 00:48.57 | Amarande | I don't *do* P2P file trading, normally. |
| 00:49.00 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 00:49.02 | Dagmar | You're making shit up faster than *multiple* people can possibly correct you |
| 00:49.06 | DWSR | ^ |
| 00:49.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: I literally loled. |
| 00:49.37 | Dagmar | It's madness for us to sit here and try and teach you how the protocol works by beating down all the stupid crap kids have posted to forums about it |
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| 00:50.06 | DWSR | Can someone quote this please? |
| 00:51.35 | DWSR | Jesus christ, I hate the fact that Blizzard's client doesn't have endgame mode. |
| 00:51.38 | DWSR | 99%. |
| 00:51.44 | Amarande | Endgame mode? |
| 00:51.53 | Dagmar | Yep. :) |
| 00:52.10 | dankna | you know, you can use any DHT-aware client to download the patch. you don't have to use Blizzard's. |
| 00:52.26 | Amarande | I'm not even sure what endgame mode is. :) |
| 00:52.49 | Amarande | probably because I know jack and shit about BT, as I've pretty much admitted in the last several minutes. heh |
| 00:52.50 | DWSR | dankna: I know. |
| 00:52.51 | Dagmar | When the client gets to the last few chunks, it just sends out a request for everything to everyone it's connected to |
| 00:53.08 | dankna | DWSR: kay, just mentioning |
| 00:53.09 | DWSR | dankna: I'll be doing that when I redo my computer. |
| 00:53.10 | Dagmar | It sends cancellations of those requests as it gets pieces |
| 00:53.12 | dankna | gotcha |
| 00:53.16 | Amarande | ah. neat. |
| 00:53.38 | DWSR | If it doesn't have that, then your download speed drops pretty drastically as you're missing less and less pieces. |
| 00:53.51 | Mr_Rabies | is there a way to save macros that i'm not aware of? |
| 00:53.55 | Mr_Rabies | they keep reverting for me D: |
| 00:53.57 | Dagmar | It keeps you from having the problem of the guy you're getting the last piece from being on a dialup modem connection that's half underwater |
| 00:53.58 | DWSR | Save them how? |
| 00:54.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Fully underwater. |
| 00:54.25 | DWSR | dankna: The problem with using another BT client is that 70% of my DL speed atm is from the webseed. |
| 00:54.41 | Dagmar | dwsr: Run with that. :) |
| 00:54.46 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 00:54.49 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, almost all of mine at this point is from the HTTP direct download also. |
| 00:55.14 | DWSR | My swarm seems to have no seeders. |
| 00:55.23 | Dagmar | Imagine that |
| 00:55.31 | DWSR | It's like public tracker hell. |
| 00:55.37 | Legorol | I must be missing something in this conversation. I have background downloaded 5.18 Gb over the past couple weeks. |
| 00:55.40 | dankna | ah, yeah, mine too |
| 00:55.42 | Legorol | Today I'm just downloading tiny, tiny bit. |
| 00:55.44 | Dagmar | Pre-patching aside, they drop another patch into the pipe, ON PATCH DAY, and no one has it yet |
| 00:56.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm finding the webseed is about five hundred times as fast as these fail peers, anyway |
| 00:56.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: Might have something to do with the fact that it actually has the file |
| 00:56.34 | Legorol | How big an amount did you guys need to download on patch day? |
| 00:56.39 | DWSR | All of it. |
| 00:56.44 | DWSR | The background downloader failed me. |
| 00:56.47 | amro | 18 billion billion |
| 00:56.47 | Legorol | For me, it's showing I just needed to get 100 Mb in addition to the background download |
| 00:56.53 | DWSR | Yeah, that's right. |
| 00:56.53 | Legorol | ow >.< |
| 00:56.55 | Legorol | that's sad, DWSR |
| 00:57.05 | DWSR | Legorol: It hasn't been too bad. |
| 00:57.14 | DWSR | Giving me time to masterbate. |
| 00:57.15 | Legorol | any idea why/how it failed? |
| 00:57.16 | Dagmar | Legorol: I had the background downloader done a couple days ago, as did a cowworker. The coworker messaged me this afternoon (while I'm at work. pfft) that another one point something gig patch showed up |
| 00:57.29 | DWSR | Legorol: Didn't ever start. Just kept waiting and waiting. |
| 00:57.34 | Legorol | Dagmar: interesting |
| 00:57.49 | Legorol | DWSR: ouch. Your background download settings wree correct I take it? |
| 00:57.50 | Amarande | I don't think my background downloader ever got anything either |
| 00:57.53 | DWSR | yes. |
| 00:57.58 | Dagmar | I've not had a chance ot confirm that personally tho. I won't be home for another five hours or so |
| 00:58.00 | DWSR | Is there an RSS feed of new patch torrents? |
| 00:58.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: There is. |
| 00:58.16 | DWSR | You have to get to 4.0 |
| 00:58.18 | DWSR | Then 4.0.1 |
| 00:58.19 | Amarande | so, those of you who *don't* firewall aggressively - are you getting faster download speeds from the peers or from Blizzard? |
| 00:58.28 | Dagmar | DWSR: Lemme see WTF I have |
| 00:58.35 | Jamash | I'm done |
| 00:58.37 | DWSR | Amarande: Everyone will get faster speeds from Blizzard. |
| 00:58.44 | DWSR | Because the problem is that there are no fucking seeds. |
| 00:58.45 | Dagmar | ACtually, if this isn't all progressive downloader, someone's probably put this shit up on Rapidsahre by now |
| 00:58.47 | DWSR | Because the client auto-quits. |
| 00:58.49 | Amarande | DWSR: which makes this whole peer thing seem pretty silly then. :) |
| 00:59.00 | Amarande | apart from Blizzard's standpoint on saving bandwidth money. Cheapskates. :P |
| 00:59.02 | DWSR | Amarande: It's not, because I didn't receive /all/ my data from Blizzard. |
| 00:59.10 | DWSR | And thus, I ended up with a net benefit. |
| 00:59.13 | alestane | But you get faster donwloads from Blizzard + peers than just from Blizzard. |
| 00:59.16 | DWSR | ^ |
| 00:59.20 | DWSR | The point of BT. |
| 00:59.27 | DWSR | Also, my swarm sucked. YMMV. |
| 00:59.29 | A-KO | alestane: A lot of people don't understand that |
| 00:59.32 | A-KO | in their limited minds :( |
| 00:59.36 | Amarande | yeah, looks like my swarm was fail too |
| 00:59.37 | Dagmar | The auto-quitting just means no one screams at Blizzard about the client using up all their bandwidth for the month |
| 00:59.37 | alestane | You're downloading from EVERYONE. |
| 00:59.42 | A-KO | I've *never* had a problem |
| 00:59.43 | A-KO | ever |
| 00:59.46 | A-KO | with any blizzard downloader |
| 00:59.47 | Dagmar | It slows the torrent, but isn't the reason no one has the thing |
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| 00:59.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: or worse. |
| 01:00.06 | DWSR | A-KO: No, it Just Works(tm). |
| 01:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | <DWSR> Save them how? |
| 01:00.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: in some countries, they're trying to pass fascist anti-piracy laws that practically flag anyone who torrents too much as a 'possible pirate' |
| 01:00.15 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Save what how? |
| 01:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | when you're done applying changes, having it "take" |
| 01:00.21 | DWSR | Amarande: YOU ARE A PIRATE! |
| 01:00.26 | Amarande | and where people can be banned from the net for being simply accused of piracy without proof |
| 01:00.28 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Oh, I dunno. Can't login yet. |
| 01:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | i keep changing my macro and it keeps reverting |
| 01:00.35 | Mr_Rabies | :x |
| 01:00.38 | Amarande | I believe I read the UK in particular was looking into such. |
| 01:00.42 | Amarande | Makes me glad to be American. |
| 01:00.52 | DWSR | I wouldn't be. |
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| 01:01.02 | DWSR | Have you seen what /your/ government is trying to pass through Senate? |
| 01:01.06 | Dagmar | Apparently I have 3.3.3-4.0.0 |
| 01:01.12 | Amarande | DWSR: is this recent? then probably not |
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| 01:01.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, that's the 4.76GB one. |
| 01:01.26 | DWSR | there's another 1 and change after. |
| 01:01.32 | Amarande | unless this is still the whole Net Neutrality thing |
| 01:01.37 | DWSR | This patch has all the cata assets. |
| 01:01.45 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes it's recent, and it's not. |
| 01:01.56 | DWSR | Wowwiki is still so broken. |
| 01:01.58 | DWSR | So fail. |
| 01:02.01 | Dagmar | DWSR: So how big is 4.0.0 to 4.0.1? |
| 01:02.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: 1 and change. |
| 01:02.11 | DWSR | Don't have it yet. |
| 01:02.16 | Dagmar | Yeah we were fussing over their broken CSS earlier |
| 01:02.24 | Dagmar | 1 what? 1 meg? |
| 01:02.28 | DWSR | gb |
| 01:02.39 | dankna | etabyte |
| 01:02.43 | Dagmar | Ah, so then it's pretty sure Wilbur was telling me right then |
| 01:02.44 | DWSR | zetabyte. |
| 01:02.45 | dankna | you need a supercomputer to play |
| 01:02.53 | dankna | with a storage-area network |
| 01:02.58 | DWSR | The size of your mom. |
| 01:03.01 | DWSR | scores. |
| 01:03.03 | dankna | ouch, diss |
| 01:03.35 | kd3|netbook | sigh |
| 01:03.44 | kd3|netbook | I leave for dinner and the update's still not done |
| 01:04.07 | Amarande | DWSR, what's the Senate gone off on a bender about this time? |
| 01:04.13 | Amarande | A month before elections, no less. |
| 01:04.14 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: You see our posts about wowwiki? |
| 01:04.17 | DWSR | Amarande: gtmf. |
| 01:04.36 | kd3|netbook | no, but I can imagine. the skin's been broken all night |
| 01:04.47 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: No. |
| 01:04.50 | DWSR | You can't imagine. |
| 01:04.55 | DWSR | Try it. |
| 01:05.00 | DWSR | Chrome. |
| 01:05.03 | DWSR | Wowwiki.com |
| 01:05.05 | DWSR | fail |
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| 01:05.23 | Dagmar | Ah crap I'll have to sort this out when I get home |
| 01:05.54 | Dagmar | The wowwiki mirrors page doesn't say anything about 3.3.3 to 4.0.0, just freaking 4.0.1 |
| 01:06.05 | Dagmar | I'm not touching Rapidshare from work |
| 01:06.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: There is no effective 4.0.0 |
| 01:06.09 | Legorol | You know, it irritates me that the disk free space required to apply a patch is far larger than the patch itself |
| 01:06.13 | kd3|netbook | read the big note I put there at the top of the section |
| 01:06.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: That I'm aware of but the filenames are all I have to do by |
| 01:06.19 | kd3|netbook | maybe I should make it red and blinky |
| 01:06.33 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: I can't read the big note because I can't see wowwiki. Period. |
| 01:06.39 | kd3|netbook | and ya, the site's just as broken in firefox |
| 01:06.39 | dankna | yeah, that is indeed an issue |
| 01:06.45 | kd3|netbook | sigh |
| 01:06.51 | Legorol | My WoW folder atm is about 16 Gb. I seem to need at least as much free space to install patch |
| 01:07.12 | Dagmar | You can make it red and blinky if you like, it doesn't change the fact that I'm looking at WoW-3.3.0.10958-4.0.0.12911-NA-Stage-3 |
| 01:07.23 | kd3|netbook | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors?useskin=wowwiki |
| 01:07.27 | Amarande | Legorol: that's because patches these days insist on being fail-safe, so they don't copy the new files back over until they've created the patched file |
| 01:07.33 | Amarande | plus the space for the patch to be extracted |
| 01:07.38 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: Do I have to append that to EVERY PAGE? |
| 01:07.40 | Legorol | Amarande: indeed |
| 01:07.41 | Dagmar | I can't view Rapidshare userdirs from work. |
| 01:07.46 | Amarande | I think that's almost ANY update now. Pretty sure dpkg follows the same principle too. |
| 01:07.55 | kd3|netbook | or log in and set the wowwiki skin as your preferences |
| 01:08.04 | kd3|netbook | the site being broken isn't our fault, by the way >.< |
| 01:08.11 | DWSR | No, I know. |
| 01:08.15 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: I don't have an account. |
| 01:08.18 | Legorol | problem is, on the drive I originally installed WoW 5 years ago, I didn't anticipate the need for about 30-40 Gb space requirement for WoW |
| 01:08.19 | DWSR | Guess I'll make one. |
| 01:08.28 | Legorol | nor does the system requirements of WoW state it needs that much |
| 01:09.00 | Dagmar | Legorol: That's what makes the spontaneous patch failures when people have Windows mistrack what it's using so much more exciting |
| 01:09.34 | Amarande | Legorol: and games now recommend 3GB of RAM |
| 01:09.35 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: Creating an account......oh wait I can't. |
| 01:09.37 | DWSR | Wikia fail. |
| 01:09.39 | Legorol | sorry can you punctuate that sentence please? i can't exactly make out what you mean Dagmar |
| 01:09.40 | Dagmar | I plan on trying mainly to just cook up a clean backup after this |
| 01:09.52 | A-KO | does blizz' background DL use only one port? |
| 01:09.53 | A-KO | 3724? |
| 01:10.03 | DWSR | yes |
| 01:10.11 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Signup?useskin=wowwiki |
| 01:10.15 | Amarande | yeah far as I've seen |
| 01:10.21 | Dagmar | Legorol: The massive disk consumption makes it so much more fun when someone who isn't even aware that disks are finite in size has their progressive patch fail 'orribly because there wasn't room for the tmp file |
| 01:10.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure why the FAQ page says you need all those 611x ports |
| 01:10.28 | kd3|netbook | tries to escalate the issue through his soon-to-be-ex corporate overlords |
| 01:10.55 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: It's not the page that's the problem now. |
| 01:11.00 | SqueeG | you guys actually moving, kd3? |
| 01:11.14 | DWSR | It's signing up for an account? |
| 01:11.25 | kd3|netbook | yes, squeeg |
| 01:11.31 | Amarande | wtf. this page on cata system specs has an ad going "why can't I find a date" ... insult your readers much, Game-Debate? |
| 01:11.34 | DWSR | I volunteer to help with the move! |
| 01:11.44 | kd3|netbook | as a temporary option to override the skin in your preferences; use a throwaway email address if you want |
| 01:11.49 | DWSR | Amarande: Hey, a little honesty in advertising never hurt anyone. |
| 01:11.55 | DWSR | kd3|netbook: I can't actually fucking sign up. |
| 01:12.01 | DWSR | It's not the skin. |
| 01:12.07 | DWSR | It's the act of trying to submit the goddamned form. |
| 01:12.15 | kd3|netbook | oh, then I can't help you there. >.< |
| 01:12.19 | Dagmar | Oh FFS |
| 01:12.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: ? |
| 01:12.54 | DWSR | Lightweight notepad replacement with syntax highlighting. |
| 01:12.55 | DWSR | GO |
| 01:13.05 | Dagmar | I went to the trouble of firing up a VM so I could look at the Rapidshare patch, and eff me if the uploader didn't stuff ALL FOUR PARTS into an assorted eleven goddamn rar files |
| 01:13.15 | Amarande | DWSR: actually, I think I've figured out why so many raiders do have trouble finding dates, and it's not really so much an inherent problem with the fact of playing WoW or even of participating in raids or even with most raiders being bad people or necessarily antisocial (apart from the types who troll trade chat) |
| 01:13.19 | durcyn | DWSR: Notepad++. vim. your mother. |
| 01:13.20 | Amarande | I think it's actually probably a mindset issue. |
| 01:13.32 | Amarande | Progression raiding requires an almost obsessive focus on the goal if you want to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 01:13.36 | dankna | Emaaaaaaaaaacs! |
| 01:13.40 | DWSR | Fuck emacs. |
| 01:13.44 | DWSR | Amarande: No. |
| 01:13.48 | Xyphoid | Amarande: you've surpassed yourself today |
| 01:13.52 | DWSR | It requires that you are obsessive only if you suck. |
| 01:13.52 | Amarande | Whereas love is normally found when you are *least* looking for it. So basically the *complete opposite* mindset. |
| 01:13.56 | dankna | (No, I'm kidding. I hate Emacs. I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. But I use it exclusively.) |
| 01:14.06 | dankna | (Because everything else is worse.) |
| 01:14.22 | durcyn | stop talking in parentheses, dumbass. and did I say vim yet? vim. |
| 01:14.25 | Amarande | I wish Linux had something like Windows' UltraEdit. |
| 01:14.26 | Dagmar | WEll, so much for using Rapidshare this time |
| 01:14.43 | DWSR | Vim, herm. |
| 01:15.01 | Dagmar | I'm not redownloading 4.9gb just to get the last 700mb or so |
| 01:15.02 | dankna | I was talking in parens to indicate <strikeout>that I used to like Lisp</strikeout> that it was a tangential note. I shall bow to your preferences, however, as it is a trivial matter. |
| 01:15.03 | Dagmar | Fuck that |
| 01:15.07 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn. |
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| 01:15.23 | Cairenn | hiya |
| 01:15.29 | durcyn | dankna: oh, i thought you were trying to roleplay or something. i've spent too long playing muds. |
| 01:15.35 | dankna | haha, ouch |
| 01:15.36 | Amarande | Good God. The recommended RAM for Cataclysm on Vista or 7 is 4GB? |
| 01:15.37 | dankna | no |
| 01:15.38 | Amarande | Ouch. |
| 01:15.44 | Amarande | And how goes? :) |
| 01:15.44 | Xyphoid | it's pretty funny that people are getting 'please insert cataclysm CD' |
| 01:15.53 | Amarande | Xyphoid: hah |
| 01:16.01 | dankna | it's not funny if you're the one taking the tech support call *snicker* |
| 01:16.02 | dankna | but yes :D |
| 01:16.07 | Amarande | remember the good old DOS days when you'd sometimes be asked erroneously to insert a disk into drive C? :) |
| 01:16.41 | dankna | nothing will ever top the old Unix favorite -- Error: Success |
| 01:16.41 | DWSR | hey Cairenn |
| 01:16.47 | Cairenn | hi DWSR |
| 01:16.59 | DWSR | dankna: Actually, CounterStrike 1.5 had a really nifty error. |
| 01:17.01 | DWSR | Error: No error. |
| 01:17.02 | dankna | do tell |
| 01:17.04 | Amarande | dankna: heh I still see that sometimes |
| 01:17.04 | dankna | hah, yes, nice |
| 01:17.15 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: A sure sign they managed to fail at improperly copyintg someone else's files |
| 01:17.16 | Amarande | DWSR: that's the same thing on another platform, I presume |
| 01:17.20 | alestane | Amarande, do me a favor and kindly never put the phrases "DOS" and "good old days" in the same sentence again. |
| 01:17.26 | DWSR | ^ |
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| 01:17.30 | Amarande | status gets passed to an error handler for (presumably buggy) reason and the errno is 0 |
| 01:17.47 | DWSR | Amarande: CounterStrike being a videogame. |
| 01:17.56 | DWSR | And, you know, only on 1 platform. |
| 01:18.00 | dankna | we know why it happens, but it's still funny |
| 01:18.05 | Amarande | DWSR: I mean OS platform :p |
| 01:18.13 | Amarande | As in, Windows's rather than Unix's version |
| 01:18.16 | Legorol | Theory: Reason why the Cataclysm patch is so ridiculously bloated is that they need to have the data for the current state of the world *and* the post-cataclysm state of the world both fully present, so that they can change the terrain "live" without patching, when Cataclysm occurs. |
| 01:18.31 | dankna | hmm |
| 01:18.38 | Amarande | alestane: given that a lot of my best gaming days happened in DOS, I still call it "the good old days" at times |
| 01:18.41 | dankna | is terrain data really that big? |
| 01:18.44 | DWSR | yes. |
| 01:18.47 | Legorol | yes, huge |
| 01:18.49 | dankna | oh |
| 01:18.53 | dankna | heh, shows what I know |
| 01:18.54 | Amarande | I still sometimes feel the desire to go back and play Ultima or Gold Box again. |
| 01:19.03 | DWSR | Wireframes, collision data, textures x3(4?). |
| 01:19.15 | Legorol | i think terrain data takes up the vast majority of the data in WoW |
| 01:19.19 | DWSR | It does. |
| 01:19.31 | dankna | fascinating |
| 01:19.35 | Amarande | Legorol: that would be quite to be expected |
| 01:19.35 | Dagmar | Legorol: I think it's mainly because if they don't use up that disk space now, they'll have a lot more "My disk is full but I'm too dumb to notice" errors at release |
| 01:19.47 | Amarande | four entire continents' worth of full 3D terrain takes up a lot :) |
| 01:19.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: A little from a and a little from b. |
| 01:19.53 | Legorol | I wouldn't have expected just the new 80+ zones to require over 5 Gb. |
| 01:19.59 | Amarande | remember, even Oblivion and Morrowind and such tend to only have ONE continent of 3D terrain. |
| 01:20.06 | dankna | this is a point |
| 01:20.08 | Amarande | Legorol: because it's not just the new 80+ zones. |
| 01:20.08 | Legorol | I suspect the 5 Gb is made up of entire post-cata Azeroth + 80+ zones |
| 01:20.14 | Legorol | indeed Amarande |
| 01:20.17 | DWSR | Legorol: Because it wasn't just the new 80+ zones. |
| 01:20.20 | DWSR | IT's the entire game world. |
| 01:20.23 | Amarande | Yeah. It's not just the 80+ zones that are changing. |
| 01:20.25 | Legorol | 'tis what i'm saying too |
| 01:20.25 | DWSR | They redid a bunch of the textures. |
| 01:20.25 | Dagmar | Ah yes, because it's the number of the continents that matters, not the detail or the packing method |
| 01:20.33 | Amarande | We're also getting to squee on Horde side that ASHENVALE IS GETTING TORCHED |
| 01:20.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 01:20.51 | dankna | there was a discussion about the trees being changed to look better from above, I don't remember what the outcome was - whether they actually got changed or not |
| 01:20.54 | Legorol | another thing that pisses me off: this patcher isn't warning you that you are low on disk space |
| 01:21.00 | DWSR | Legorol: It never did. |
| 01:21.04 | Amarande | yay finally Astranaar gets its just punishment for killing all those innocent Horde newbies that tried to follow the road to get to Zoram Strand |
| 01:21.04 | Dagmar | That's windows' job |
| 01:21.05 | Legorol | i started the update with 2 Gb free... it should've known I won't have anywhere near enough |
| 01:21.20 | DWSR | Amarande: Kindly die. In a fire. |
| 01:21.26 | Legorol | Dagmar: it could at least give you a warning, like: "you have far less free space than we suspect you'll need" |
| 01:21.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, if it's any consolation, Alliance still doesn't give a shit about you guys |
| 01:21.39 | DWSR | Legorol: Actually, just playing Kologarn's "YOU FAIL" would suffice. |
| 01:21.44 | Legorol | haha |
| 01:21.46 | Motig | Amarande what about the poor Alliance in Feralas |
| 01:21.48 | Motig | that followed the road |
| 01:22.01 | Legorol | i really have no friggin idea what i'm going to do... my WoW drive only has 60 Gb total and there's other stuff on there |
| 01:22.11 | DWSR | Legorol: Get a bigger drive. |
| 01:22.15 | Amarande | Motig: at least you were 20 levels higher and a mount and a little more chance of getting away in one piece |
| 01:22.16 | DWSR | Do you have an SSD? |
| 01:22.21 | Motig | also a higher repair bill! |
| 01:22.26 | Dagmar | Legorol: Check for older patches |
| 01:22.29 | Legorol | DWSR: this is my system drive, i can't replace it, and i didn't want to move WoW to a new drive |
| 01:22.38 | Dagmar | Legorol: It likes to hang onto them like stale memorabilia |
| 01:22.44 | Amarande | you know that's one thing I love about BoA, repair bills when leveling drop by a lot |
| 01:22.44 | Legorol | Dagmar: this drive is kept squeeky clean, everything like that is archived to a separate drive |
| 01:22.47 | DWSR | Legorol: You say that like drives can't be replaces. |
| 01:22.53 | DWSR | replaced, rather. |
| 01:23.04 | Dagmar | Legorol: Including your screenshots? |
| 01:23.08 | DWSR | Nom nom 10k RPM Velociraptors. |
| 01:23.09 | Legorol | yes |
| 01:23.28 | Legorol | ah well i'll figure something out |
| 01:23.31 | Motig | surely there's soemthing you can move |
| 01:23.32 | Motig | or delete |
| 01:23.32 | dankna | in theory I could be doing work while I wait for this progress bar to fill |
| 01:23.33 | Dagmar | I know a tool. |
| 01:23.34 | Motig | there always is |
| 01:23.37 | Shirik | Cide |
| 01:23.40 | Shirik | tell me there's a better way to write this |
| 01:23.41 | Shirik | queue = [branch for branch in tree] |
| 01:23.42 | Dagmar | AND I'm not talking about Amarande, either. |
| 01:23.50 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 01:23.52 | dankna | in practice I am staring at it with eager anticipation, and probably will continue to for however long it takes |
| 01:23.57 | Amarande | HEY! |
| 01:23.58 | Dagmar | Legorol: You need http://windirstat.info/ |
| 01:24.08 | DWSR | Dagmar wins |
| 01:24.11 | Amarande | that was low, Dagmar |
| 01:24.12 | Dagmar | That will sort out "WTF did all my disk go?" |
| 01:24.17 | DWSR | hands Dagmar an interweb |
| 01:24.23 | Motig | that's awesome Dagmar |
| 01:24.38 | DWSR | Yeah, I have it on my portable USB stick |
| 01:24.44 | DWSR | Or, a similar program. |
| 01:24.49 | Dagmar | I got like 5.6tb floating around the house now. This isn't a new problem for me |
| 01:24.50 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:24.57 | DWSR | Jesus. |
| 01:25.01 | DWSR | I have about 3. |
| 01:25.55 | Motig | that's interesting it says last change was in 2028 |
| 01:25.57 | Motig | on one of my drives |
| 01:26.03 | DWSR | rofl |
| 01:26.12 | Motig | perhaps the future me put a file on it |
| 01:26.18 | Legorol | This is going to be nuts on my wife's laptop. She has a 60 Gb hard disk in hers.. no way in hell she'll be able to patch :S |
| 01:26.19 | dankna | you have to find that file |
| 01:26.23 | dankna | and check whether it's stock tips |
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| 01:26.40 | Motig | I will have to find it yeah |
| 01:26.42 | DWSR | Legorol: So copy over your install. |
| 01:26.45 | DWSR | And just overwrite hers. |
| 01:26.48 | Motig | 8/3/2028 keep that in mind |
| 01:26.52 | Legorol | yah I think i'll do that DWSR |
| 01:27.35 | Dagmar | I'd definitely be checking for stock tips, just in case |
| 01:27.57 | Motig | oh shit |
| 01:27.58 | Motig | ! |
| 01:28.02 | Motig | 9/25/3427 |
| 01:28.08 | Amarande | is Bazooka as is working on 4.0.1 or do I need a new panel/wait for a new version? |
| 01:28.08 | Dagmar | It will really suck to have gone to the trouble of inventing or stealing a time machine to pass yourself stock tips, and then find out your past self is too much of an asshole to look at them |
| 01:28.09 | Motig | on a different drve |
| 01:28.32 | Motig | I'm amazed my drive was still working in 3427 |
| 01:28.38 | Motig | well I should say |
| 01:28.40 | Motig | I will be amazed |
| 01:28.43 | Amarande | Epoch fail? |
| 01:28.51 | dankna | you was-have-will-been. |
| 01:28.59 | Dagmar | dankma: whoa |
| 01:29.34 | DWSR | Using an ability that triggers Soul Link around neutral guards will cause these guards to attack. <-- WIN |
| 01:29.57 | Amarande | DWSR: Ow. What level's minimum for warlocks to get SL now? |
| 01:29.58 | Jerub | oh hey, are realms up yet? |
| 01:30.06 | DWSR | can't remember. |
| 01:30.09 | DWSR | Jerub: Yes. The US ones. |
| 01:30.29 | Dagmar | Goddamnit I didn't even think of that |
| 01:30.29 | Motig | I found the file |
| 01:30.29 | Jerub | DWSR: oceanic? |
| 01:30.29 | Dagmar | I'm going to have to respec three freaking toons |
| 01:30.29 | DWSR | No idea. |
| 01:30.29 | Amarande | Lemme guess ... leveling Demo is probably not so great an idea right now. :) |
| 01:30.33 | Motig | it's.......... The Pick of Destiny subtitles |
| 01:30.41 | alestane | Demo looks pretty freaking awesome at the moment. |
| 01:30.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: ANything that lends itself to stacking stamina while leveling is probably win for that |
| 01:30.54 | DWSR | Did SL go baseline? |
| 01:30.55 | Amarande | alestane: except for the SL bit, yeah. :) |
| 01:31.05 | alestane | Your felguard has been hitting the gym. |
| 01:31.16 | Amarande | that SL thing is going to be *harsh* whenever you get to a new continent and have to rep up with new people |
| 01:31.24 | DWSR | Your Felguard brings all the boys to the yard. |
| 01:31.30 | Amarande | Especially when you get to Outland, since I understand it's a THOUSAND Sha'tar rep hit per kill. |
| 01:31.43 | Dagmar | WHy exactly would you fight them? |
| 01:31.52 | DWSR | http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=19028#comments <-- Soul Link will be baseline. |
| 01:31.52 | alestane | You get it at 20, I believe. |
| 01:32.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: I believe that was discovered because there's that one mob in Auchindoun that uses MC, IIRC |
| 01:32.23 | Amarande | People were trying to kite it to guards, and then getting 1000 rep hits when MC caused a guard to get killed |
| 01:32.37 | Motig | this program is amazing Dagmar |
| 01:32.39 | Dagmar | Right so if you happen upon that one mob before you get the what, 300 rep it takes to leave neutral, you might have a problem |
| 01:32.46 | Amarande | 3000. |
| 01:32.52 | Motig | I just found out there's a copy of age of conan somewhere hidden in lots of subfolders |
| 01:33.03 | Xyphoid | oh no, my sha'tar rep |
| 01:33.18 | Xyphoid | i guess i'll just have to get the mace off maiden instead |
| 01:33.19 | Dagmar | Motig: Yeah, it's great for finding all sorts of things (like a jillion Sims 3 downloads) that didn't get properly deleted |
| 01:33.36 | Amarande | And Unfriendly Sha'tar is a *doozy*. I think the ONLY way to get out of that is to either do TK instances or get the spillover rep from Aldor or Scryers turnins |
| 01:33.47 | Dagmar | It's especially good for spotting 4Gb copies of stuff from the PVR |
| 01:33.54 | Motig | yeah this is awesome |
| 01:33.58 | Motig | I really needed it too |
| 01:34.02 | Motig | all my drivers were running low |
| 01:34.05 | Motig | *drives |
| 01:34.07 | Amarande | Xyphoid: Sha'tar is kind of important before you go to Outland, given the number of Shattrath NPCs that are on it. |
| 01:34.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Then perhaps they shoudln't have been kiting shit to the guards? |
| 01:34.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: well yeah *now* people know that |
| 01:34.23 | Amarande | but the first few people to try the strategy didn't |
| 01:34.35 | Dagmar | Odd. I would have thought that being raised by parents would have been how they'd know that might be wrong. |
| 01:34.47 | Amarande | and the reason I mentioned that in conjuction with SL is because it seems like Demo locks will have a lot of issues with running into fights with guards when getting to new continents/zones and running into new factions |
| 01:35.01 | Amarande | some of which guards are probably ones no one has ever got in a fight with before |
| 01:35.11 | Amarande | and therefore, there's no way to know just how bad the rep hit from a guard kill is |
| 01:35.19 | Dagmar | Besides which, just because a guard attacks you doesn't mean you have to (or will be able to) kill it |
| 01:35.33 | Dagmar | The terminally dim will probably get into more trouble in Booty Bay |
| 01:35.52 | Motig | just found naother copy of age of conan............. |
| 01:36.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: most newer players, at least, and ones that don't rely on wowhead or the like to tell them otherwise, will tend to be inclined to fight things that attack them though :) |
| 01:36.07 | Amarande | and yeah, BB. |
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| 01:36.12 | Amarande | actually, that could be more of a problem in general |
| 01:36.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: You know, most people just assume that _killing people of a faction you want to like you_ is a stupid thing to do |
| 01:36.22 | Dagmar | how bad the rep hit is doesn't really matter |
| 01:36.35 | Motig | and the wrat of the lich king friends and family installer :\ |
| 01:36.37 | Amarande | Particularly on PvP servers, since SL has always been a staple talent for PvP, and Stranglethorn is always especially virulent PvP-wise on such servers. |
| 01:36.51 | Dagmar | Motig: Now now you didn't have to tell us you hae that |
| 01:37.19 | Hirsute | Oh my. So much addon borking. |
| 01:37.20 | cog|away | ~lart blizzard |
| 01:37.20 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, blizzard, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 01:37.30 | cogwheel | mrs cog is missing ~half her toons |
| 01:37.43 | kd3|netbook | there was a blue response to that |
| 01:37.45 | Hirsute | More than half of it is global this buggery. |
| 01:37.47 | Motig | Dagmar I didn't have acces to it |
| 01:37.47 | Motig | :P |
| 01:37.48 | kd3|netbook | it's "getting looked into" |
| 01:37.53 | Amarande | I guess I'm just glad that my favorite spec in general on locks nowadays is Aff. :) |
| 01:38.00 | Dagmar | cogwheel: QUICK! to the corner store for chocolate ice cream |
| 01:38.02 | cogwheel | yeah i saw others on the forum having the same problem |
| 01:38.02 | Amarande | The only time I even seriously played Demo was leveling 70-80 |
| 01:38.21 | pnorman | What are you guys using for bar addons now? |
| 01:38.28 | Amarande | And that's because the first time I came to Northrend I did so as Aff, and noticed that I felt especially squishy |
| 01:38.30 | cogwheel | i'm installing the update now so i have no idea if mine are fine |
| 01:38.47 | Amarande | pnorman: Bartender |
| 01:40.28 | Amarande | *sigh* I'm going to miss QuestGuru. |
| 01:40.41 | Stanzilla | tekkub: HatTrick has some stray "this", too |
| 01:40.45 | Amarande | But I have to have my UI ready by tomorrow night, so anything that isn't fully functional that isn't ready by tomorrow has got to go. |
| 01:41.06 | Amarande | BTW: I heard they backpedaled on the tank threat change and now tanks actually do more threat than ever? |
| 01:41.26 | pnorman | The talent changes look like they might boost tps for warriors |
| 01:41.40 | Amarande | I'd heard they were going to remove the passive bonus threat from Defensive Stance/Blood Presence/etc. entirely |
| 01:41.44 | Amarande | now I've heard it's been boosted to 200% |
| 01:45.52 | Amarande | oh god DBM's not updated. raid tomorrow is going to be eeeeeeenteresting. |
| 01:46.05 | Motig | bigwigs? |
| 01:46.23 | durcyn | dxe and bigwigs work fine, use real boss mods =P |
| 01:47.23 | Amarande | *deletes more addons* |
| 01:47.44 | Amarande | ok, that leaves ArkInventory, Ara Broker XP, Bazooka, and SCT as the only addons that are still lagging. |
| 01:48.06 | Amarande | anyone know how those are functioning? |
| 01:48.13 | Arrowmaster | SCT is dead |
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| 01:48.17 | Arrowmaster | has been for a long time |
| 01:48.22 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: any equivalent addons? |
| 01:48.27 | Jerub | dath'remar is all DBM |
| 01:48.30 | Arrowmaster | MSBT |
| 01:48.52 | Amarande | or should I just do away with it entirely ... I'm suspecting scrolling combat text is one of the reasons I get so much lag in 25's |
| 01:49.06 | Jerub | Amarande: they buffed tank threat but they haven't given back any dps classes their threat reductions |
| 01:49.24 | Amarande | Jerub: so it balances out then? |
| 01:49.32 | Jerub | Amarande: afaik |
| 01:50.14 | kd3|netbook | whistles at yum |
| 01:50.22 | kd3|netbook | 1646-step update |
| 01:50.39 | Jerub | stabs stabs stabs |
| 01:51.27 | Arrowmaster | hmm i think im going to finish reading this book tonight, i ordered it from amazon for something to read on the flights to blizzcon but doesnt look like it lasted |
| 01:51.53 | Arrowmaster | hell i havent even received the book from amazon yet, ive been reading an ebook of it i 'found' online |
| 01:52.09 | dankna | what book is it? |
| 01:52.13 | Arrowmaster | Dune |
| 01:52.26 | Arrowmaster | good thing i ordered the entire 6 book series from amazon |
| 01:52.29 | Jerub | my partition table has gone bye bye on my laptop |
| 01:52.31 | dankna | oh, good one. supposedly. I read it when I was too young and none of it stuck and it's so long that I haven't bothered to go back to it, haha. |
| 01:52.33 | Jerub | :( :( |
| 01:52.40 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: ok, that's a series you might want to put on hold when flying then. You *prooooooobably* don't want to go through airport security carrying Butlerian Jihad. :) |
| 01:52.44 | Corrodias | Jerub: get some wood glue, fix it right up |
| 01:52.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: lol |
| 01:53.10 | Amarande | need book recommendations? |
| 01:53.28 | Amarande | Kushiel, Black Jewels, Wheel of Time series. Those should get you through a year or so :) |
| 01:53.57 | dankna | I always used to say I was going to wait until he finished WoT so I wouldn't have the annoying waits |
| 01:53.59 | dankna | then he died :( |
| 01:54.03 | Amarande | also, what does MSBT stand for? |
| 01:54.12 | Amarande | apparently it doesn't find as such on Curse Client |
| 01:54.12 | dankna | Mystery Science Bloody Theater? |
| 01:54.14 | Arrowmaster | last time i read a book was was one of the tom clancys on a flight to boston |
| 01:54.15 | Corrodias | wait, i know this one |
| 01:54.19 | Arrowmaster | ~msbt |
| 01:54.19 | purl | msbt is, like, Mikord's Scrolling Battle Text, a possible SCT replacement, found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-2.0.html |
| 01:54.27 | Arrowmaster | ~mikk |
| 01:54.27 | purl | mikk is, like, NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 01:54.29 | Corrodias | oh man, that's old |
| 01:54.45 | Corrodias | i was happily letting it scroll my text in 2.4 |
| 01:54.49 | Amarande | Arrow: 4/2/10 latest on curse. it works on 4.0 though? |
| 01:54.53 | Corrodias | (giggity) |
| 01:54.55 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 01:55.12 | Arrowmaster | but the SCT author quit either around wrath release or before |
| 01:55.16 | Shirik | Any python gurus around? I have a list of things. I want to do something like myList.Where(item.isTrue()) and get a new list |
| 01:55.38 | Shirik | a list of only those things where the item was true |
| 01:55.49 | Amarande | so ... Bazooka still OK? |
| 01:56.02 | Amarande | or do I need a new Broker panel? |
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| 01:59.33 | DWSR | I'm still waiting for the damned first patch to finish. |
| 01:59.36 | DWSR | Been close to an hour. |
| 01:59.45 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 02:00.02 | DWSR | I'm redoing my UI from scratch! :D |
| 02:00.06 | msoul | well this sucks, all sp gems are replaced to 20 int |
| 02:00.13 | DWSR | msoul: That's good. |
| 02:00.15 | DWSR | Since int = spellpower. |
| 02:00.16 | kd3|netbook | int == crit |
| 02:00.20 | kd3|netbook | and spellpower |
| 02:00.30 | msoul | :o |
| 02:00.35 | DWSR | my warlock is going to have a shitton more mana now. |
| 02:00.46 | msoul | I see |
| 02:00.48 | msoul | e |
| 02:00.55 | msoul | so I don't need to regem my lock then? |
| 02:01.20 | msoul | all arp gems with crit |
| 02:01.51 | DWSR | 1. Discussion of revealed information will be limited to this thread only. Attempts to spread discussion to other threads without specific mod permission (we won't grant it, don't ask) will result in at least a 1-day ban. <--- hahahaha |
| 02:01.57 | msoul | have to wait until 5pm |
| 02:02.01 | DWSR | msoul: No. |
| 02:02.04 | DWSR | You shouldn't have to, anyway. |
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| 02:03.06 | DWSR | DoTs can't be clipped, they just add duration. |
| 02:03.13 | msoul | yeah |
| 02:03.16 | DWSR | lol, I wonder if I can just get Bane of Agony up to like 10 minutes. |
| 02:03.43 | msoul | bane of doom gets you a 2nd pet |
| 02:03.43 | DWSR | There has to be some sort of a cap on the extension. |
| 02:03.49 | alestane | I'd hope they can't go up to twice their normal duration. |
| 02:03.50 | msoul | on crit or some such can't remember |
| 02:04.00 | DWSR | msoul: Bane of Doom can't crit, afaik. |
| 02:04.14 | alestane | Doomguards and infernals now guardians, not pets. |
| 02:04.32 | DWSR | alestane: I would hope there's an insane cap, at like 1h or something. |
| 02:04.37 | msoul | DWSR: I have to watch the vid again to check that |
| 02:04.48 | msoul | but you can have up to 3 pets in fights |
| 02:04.52 | DWSR | So that affliction warlock duels can result in stupidly long debuffs. |
| 02:04.55 | DWSR | msoul: That's win. |
| 02:04.59 | alestane | You should NOT be able to add full duration to a DoT if it's already over base duration. |
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| 02:04.59 | msoul | indeed |
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| 02:05.47 | msoul | I've never played as a destro "my lock is recently got to 80" |
| 02:05.56 | msoul | been playing demonology/affli |
| 02:06.14 | msoul | affli wwasn't a fun spec to play |
| 02:06.17 | Antiarc | what did GetCurrentDungeonDifficulty change to? |
| 02:06.27 | DWSR | msoul: It used to be. |
| 02:06.42 | DWSR | At least, I found it immensely fun before they nerfed the complexity. |
| 02:07.10 | msoul | it's just boring to stair at my spell timers |
| 02:07.15 | msoul | but now |
| 02:07.27 | DWSR | msoul: I loved it when it was 7 dots. |
| 02:07.29 | DWSR | It was fun. |
| 02:07.30 | msoul | with drain life you can refresh corr and ua |
| 02:07.31 | DWSR | Because it was hard. |
| 02:07.37 | msoul | you need to refresh agony/haunt though |
| 02:08.10 | msoul | DWSR: you playing affli now? |
| 02:08.15 | Corrodias | stop calling it corr |
| 02:08.22 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:08.31 | DWSR | msoul: Nope. |
| 02:08.32 | DWSR | Demonology. |
| 02:08.41 | Kraps | yay, they upped the shield-tank masteries |
| 02:08.53 | DWSR | If I'm going to play a joke rotation, I want to see the biggest numbers. |
| 02:08.57 | DWSR | 50k SF crits are really nice. :D |
| 02:09.03 | msoul | Corrodias: shouldn't trigger your nickname really |
| 02:09.19 | Corrodias | i have custom highlights set up because people usually call me that |
| 02:09.19 | msoul | DWSR: hehe |
| 02:09.23 | Corrodias | and it's YOUR FAULT |
| 02:09.32 | Corrodias | *fist shake*, off my lawn, etc |
| 02:09.39 | Thunder_Child | nothing says fun like "[19:09:14] BugGrabber has stopped capturing errors, since it has captured more than 20 errors per second. Capturing will resume in 60 seconds." |
| 02:09.41 | msoul | heh |
| 02:09.43 | DWSR | Corrodias: Those people should get fucking tab auto-complete. |
| 02:09.47 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Win |
| 02:10.02 | DWSR | At least the author had some sanity. |
| 02:10.53 | Thunder_Child | well, i forgot to update all of my addons |
| 02:10.56 | Thunder_Child | silly me |
| 02:10.59 | Amarande | gah *tries to find new LDB compatible XP bar replacement* |
| 02:11.09 | Thunder_Child | but i did for once remeber to enable 'load out of date addons' |
| 02:11.18 | Thunder_Child | remember* |
| 02:11.28 | msoul | wonder how much jp costs 2 sets of t10 now |
| 02:11.34 | msoul | gloves/shoulder atleast |
| 02:11.37 | Amarande | and unlike 3.0 they didn't nuke your addon directory by default |
| 02:11.39 | Amarande | yays |
| 02:11.47 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Did you uncheck "Load broken/confused addons"? |
| 02:12.04 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: na, that would get rid of all/most of them |
| 02:12.08 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:12.18 | Amarande | wow I haven't seen a download rate this fast from Curse EVER |
| 02:13.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Probably has somehting to do with the number of people too busy cussing at the progress bar to be hitting up Curse. l( |
| 02:13.16 | Dagmar | er ;) |
| 02:15.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: and probably expecting their addons to be automatically archived/deleted like happened with 3.0 so they wait till after patch to update addons |
| 02:17.50 | Amarande | Gah, Curse Client, you FAIL |
| 02:17.57 | Amarande | didn't pull all the dependencies for this addon :p |
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| 02:19.26 | Amarande | oh ... dala portals gone now or is that not till 4.0.3? |
| 02:19.38 | kd3|netbook | 03 |
| 02:19.45 | kd3|netbook | none of the world changes happen until then |
| 02:19.49 | kd3|netbook | this is just systems changes |
| 02:20.06 | kd3|netbook | and the elemental invasion event... |
| 02:20.11 | alestane | Dala portals? |
| 02:20.42 | kd3|netbook | portals back to the old world from dalaran and shattrath are both gone in 4.0.3 |
| 02:20.49 | kd3|netbook | class trainers, AHs are there to replace them |
| 02:21.11 | alestane | That's kinda funky. So they're making them cities in their own right? |
| 02:21.31 | alestane | They're definitely still there now. |
| 02:21.33 | msoul | so you can buy the glyph once now?' |
| 02:21.43 | msoul | the one time only I mean |
| 02:21.45 | kd3|netbook | buy it once, you've got it learned forever |
| 02:21.59 | msoul | no wonder glyph costs 300g then |
| 02:22.34 | Xyphoid | also the lack of bulk posting auction tools help raise the price there i reckon |
| 02:22.59 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:22.59 | DWSR | True |
| 02:23.11 | DWSR | Did you get credit for the glyphs you had in your specs? |
| 02:23.17 | DWSR | (i.e., do you already know the spells?) |
| 02:23.21 | kd3|netbook | most of them |
| 02:23.23 | alestane | Where applicable. |
| 02:23.31 | Amarande | GAH WHY IS MY UI SO BIG |
| 02:23.32 | kd3|netbook | has yet to log in yet |
| 02:23.33 | Amarande | whew. fixed that. |
| 02:23.36 | Kraps | oh shit gliphs are 300g now? |
| 02:23.42 | kd3|netbook | just on the AH |
| 02:23.47 | msoul | some even more |
| 02:23.47 | Amarande | apparently, the first time you log on on 4.0 |
| 02:23.54 | msoul | kd3|netbook: yeah I won't buy them |
| 02:23.58 | DWSR | Kraps: They're more like recipes now though. |
| 02:23.59 | msoul | will look for a scribe |
| 02:24.05 | msoul | and make a deal with |
| 02:24.06 | DWSR | Kraps: Once you buy them, you know them forever. |
| 02:24.09 | msoul | none of my friends are :/ |
| 02:24.10 | Amarande | your UI is way too big for your screen. |
| 02:24.19 | Kraps | i know this DWSR |
| 02:24.28 | Xyphoid | i put my entire stock up for 150g at 48hrs just before the patch |
| 02:24.29 | Xyphoid | going to be interesting |
| 02:24.30 | Amarande | Hmm, wonder if it's time to abandon Skinning on the DK and pick up Inscription :| |
| 02:24.50 | dankna | gathering profs will do well in December though |
| 02:24.53 | msoul | Amarande not worth it |
| 02:24.55 | dankna | they always do early in an expansion |
| 02:24.56 | Kraps | addon time |
| 02:24.59 | Amarande | aaaaaand apparently I need to install monkeybuddy |
| 02:25.13 | Amarande | because MonkeyQuest's tracker is WAY TOO BIG right now. |
| 02:25.47 | Amarande | why is everything so dang big, like the cards on Card Sharks? heh |
| 02:27.08 | Amarande | ah no wonder things load and go so crystal fast now |
| 02:27.11 | Amarande | I uninstalled auctioneer |
| 02:28.06 | msoul | would be fun to hear paladin tell what they think about the changes :P |
| 02:28.12 | msoul | paladins |
| 02:28.24 | alestane | Take some adjustment but seem decent. |
| 02:28.42 | msoul | going prot with my alt |
| 02:28.48 | Kraps | wtb a grid update |
| 02:29.08 | msoul | and arms with the warrior! |
| 02:29.47 | kd3|netbook | ok, wowwiki should be fixed now |
| 02:29.50 | kd3|netbook | refresh your caches |
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| 02:29.57 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
| 02:30.19 | SqueeG | wowwiki works for me on chrome |
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| 02:31.06 | Amarande | Shit. |
| 02:31.09 | Amarande | DK runes are b0rked |
| 02:31.20 | Amarande | or at least they are on the character UI |
| 02:31.27 | Amarande | haven't tested yet to see if they're not working in general |
| 02:31.45 | Amarande | It says I need a skill of 300 in Runeforging to use my runes now |
| 02:31.51 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 02:31.53 | Jerub | armory bug |
| 02:31.53 | Amarande | is that just a cosmetic error, or do I actually have to forge 299 runes to be allowed to? |
| 02:32.07 | Jerub | if you go to wowarmory.com hover over 'hit rating' you see armor pen listed |
| 02:32.23 | DWSR | Here we go. |
| 02:32.35 | DWSR | 1.4GB patch as well now. |
| 02:32.59 | Jerub | spell power gems become intellect? is that always? |
| 02:33.08 | kd3|netbook | yes. int == spellpower |
| 02:33.23 | Jerub | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=47213 <- still buffs spellpower apparently. |
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| 02:33.48 | kd3|netbook | caster weapons, procs will still provide sp |
| 02:41.00 | Amarande | Jerub: so I don't need to redo my runes then |
| 02:42.14 | Kraps | how do you end a process that wont end? |
| 02:42.15 | [Wobin] | Jerub: maybe ask in ##australia for the fedora help |
| 02:42.18 | [Wobin] | they're pretty cluey |
| 02:43.44 | Amarande | Kraps: what OS? |
| 02:43.49 | Amarande | and what's the process status? |
| 02:43.57 | Kraps | win7 |
| 02:44.16 | Kraps | access is denied? |
| 02:50.28 | Amarande | wow, they also didn't do away with mana regeneration from spirit for warlocks/mages, apparently after all |
| 02:50.37 | Amarande | still says we get it on the character sheet |
| 02:50.44 | Jerub | Amarande: fedora |
| 02:50.54 | Kraps | come on! |
| 02:50.56 | Jerub | Amarande: i can't get any tools to rebuild my partition table automagically. |
| 02:50.56 | Amarande | not that blizzard has always been known for 100% accurate character sheets. remember Diablo 2 and the infamous LCS? :) |
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| 02:52.03 | dankna | Jerub: fwiw many filesystems store backups of the partition table at fixed offsets within them |
| 02:52.20 | dankna | Jerub: depending on the details of your situation, dd might be all you need |
| 02:52.34 | Jerub | dankna: i don't know where my partitions start. the partition i care about most is in LVM. |
| 02:52.53 | Jerub | so i need to find where my LVM is, find its metadata block, and from there, find the ext4 FS within it |
| 02:53.34 | dankna | well, I mean, yes, that's the basic problem you have, but rescue tools which work in the other direction based on scanning the disk for known signatures are also possible |
| 02:53.56 | Jerub | tbh, the only thing i care about on it is my maildir |
| 02:53.56 | dankna | do you know what format your partition table was? |
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| 02:54.22 | Jerub | partition table was a linux/dos/whatever style |
| 02:54.25 | dankna | because if it was EFI the last block on the disk is a backup of it (you can't just dd it over, but) |
| 02:54.28 | Jerub | don't know where was what |
| 02:54.38 | Jerub | no, not EFI |
| 02:54.40 | dankna | drat |
| 02:54.54 | dankna | MBR is what you mean, I believe, though I'd hesitate to call that linux-style |
| 02:55.13 | dankna | how did it get erased? |
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| 02:56.15 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 02:56.18 | Jerub | i believe that was operator error with a dd command. |
| 02:56.22 | dankna | ouch |
| 02:56.28 | Jerub | first 50mb deleeted. |
| 02:56.31 | dankna | nods |
| 02:56.38 | dankna | the filesystem header is gone too, then |
| 02:56.42 | Jerub | yeah |
| 02:56.55 | Jerub | what i really want to figure out how to do is find the LVM backup block |
| 02:56.59 | dankna | indeed |
| 02:57.11 | dankna | it might be at some fixed position based on disk geometry rather than on the start of the partition? |
| 02:57.16 | dankna | conceivably? for exactly this situation |
| 02:57.22 | dankna | you should look at the spec |
| 02:57.50 | Amarande | ok, this is getting freaky. |
| 02:57.50 | Jerub | kk, looking now |
| 02:58.03 | Amarande | are my realid friends all logging off at the same time as me or is that a weird UI foible with 4.0? |
| 02:58.24 | Amarande | EVERY time I log out, I get (name) has gone offline just as I do |
| 03:02.40 | Amarande | and is the level 85 DK ability really basically PvP only? :( |
| 03:02.51 | Amarande | or are we going to get a lot of 85 raid bosses that actually spend mana on single target spells? |
| 03:03.47 | Kraps | whats the point of acrobat, itunes and quicktime at startup? |
| 03:04.10 | kd3|netbook | so they load instantly when you want them. never mind the fact that they slow booting itself down |
| 03:04.16 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
| 03:09.43 | dankna | Jerub: I didn't find that, but I did find some stuff on how to find the superblock backups once you've found the ext4 fs |
| 03:09.45 | dankna | http://blog.edseek.com/archives/2004/02/25/ext3-filesystem-bad-superblock-recovery/ |
| 03:10.20 | dankna | there are many sites out there which offer similar advice, but this one specifically suggests how to track them down if you don't know. but they are at offsets from the filesystem origin, not offsets based on drive geometry, sadly. |
| 03:11.04 | Jerub | dankna: i just found the LVM metadata block |
| 03:11.12 | dankna | oh excellent, how'd you do that? |
| 03:11.31 | Jerub | dankna: it starts with 'LABELONE' and is 512byte aligned on the disk |
| 03:11.39 | dankna | hah, nice |
| 03:13.29 | dankna | heh, I once managed to render my Mac unbootable (as a Mac, at least) by using Parted Magic on it :/ |
| 03:13.52 | dankna | it had written out the wrong volume-type UUID in the EFI partition table |
| 03:13.55 | Kraps | whoa prat now has scrollback between play sessions |
| 03:14.05 | dankna | Parted's EFI support was very new at the time so it couldn't help me |
| 03:14.20 | dankna | I spent a week and wrote a tool that went in and corrected the UUID and fixed all the relevant checksums |
| 03:14.38 | dankna | awful having to do it, but felt great when it worked, heh |
| 03:14.52 | Jerub | http://paste2.org/p/1034606 |
| 03:15.09 | dankna | I see! |
| 03:15.55 | dankna | now you just need to decode that |
| 03:16.07 | Jerub | http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/scientific5/docs/rhel/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/lvm_metadata.html# says how... |
| 03:16.16 | Jerub | i think... |
| 03:16.31 | dankna | yeah, looks like it does |
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| 03:20.12 | Quaunaut | Hello- wow, lots of folks in here. |
| 03:21.40 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:22.20 | Quaunaut | So, I'm trying to get started and finding myself at a brick wall just after my first step. |
| 03:22.42 | Quaunaut | I can't even get a HelloWorld to work. So far, the two different commands I've seen to try for that both don't work. |
| 03:23.20 | Legorol | Hello Quaunaut, maybe I can help you. |
| 03:23.32 | Quaunaut | Hiyo! :D |
| 03:23.41 | Legorol | Are you trying to make a very simple addon to start with? |
| 03:23.58 | Legorol | When you say "HelloWorld", are you talking about a macro (something you'd do in-game), or an addon |
| 03:24.30 | Quaunaut | Sorta? Was hoping to start stumbling my way up the ladder. I was wanting to make a timer addon. |
| 03:24.31 | Legorol | If you are trying to make your very first addon, did you check the following: |
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| 03:24.55 | JoBbZ | Does anyone know what replaced MAX_QUESTLOG_QUESTS |
| 03:24.56 | JoBbZ | ? |
| 03:25.00 | Legorol | have you put your files in World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\<YourAddon> |
| 03:25.13 | Legorol | have you made sure that your addon has a .toc file, matching the name of your addon |
| 03:25.21 | Quaunaut | Yes, I have. I have the addon in my addon list, everything. |
| 03:25.29 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:25.36 | Legorol | in that case, nothing wrong with the setup of the files |
| 03:25.43 | Quaunaut | It's /supposed/ to be loading, and it shows nothing as stopping it. No Incompatable errors, no out of date errors. |
| 03:25.47 | Legorol | let's have a look at their contents.. try pastey-ing them: wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 03:25.58 | kd3|netbook | also , check ~/wow/logs/framexml.log |
| 03:26.17 | Amarande | is glyph of path of frost new? |
| 03:26.40 | Quaunaut | kd3: It says they're loading |
| 03:27.18 | Legorol | btw, does anyone happen to remember the following about WoW 3.3.5: there are 3 patch files in the Data folder (patch.mpq, patch-2.mpq, patch-3.mpq), which one contains what data? |
| 03:27.31 | Legorol | i.e. which one's got 3.3 data, which one's, 3.3.5 and so on |
| 03:28.03 | JoBbZ | Does anyone know what global replaced MAX_QUESTLOG_QUESTS? |
| 03:28.05 | Quaunaut | Lego, which files do you want, or do you just want all of them? |
| 03:29.21 | Legorol | if you have a lot, just do your .toc file and at least one of your .lua files |
| 03:29.34 | Legorol | if you only have 2/3, migh as well do them all |
| 03:29.36 | Quaunaut | ...oh, wait. kd3 might've been onto something |
| 03:29.45 | Legorol | he is smart |
| 03:30.00 | Quaunaut | Well, here is the .lua file: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141501 |
| 03:30.02 | Thunder_Child | interesting, i went from good graphics to ultra and went up from 30 to 60 fps |
| 03:30.29 | Quaunaut | What my FrameXML is saying, is that my attempt to call global "LibStub' is a nil value |
| 03:30.51 | Legorol | then you are loading your dependencies/libs incorrectly |
| 03:30.58 | Legorol | paste your .toc file too please, that will help us fix it |
| 03:31.18 | DWSR | Where the hell is Death Gate in the spellbook? |
| 03:31.28 | Legorol | unholy? |
| 03:31.49 | Quaunaut | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141502 |
| 03:32.31 | Legorol | ok, show me embeds.xml, and is it at the correct folder level |
| 03:32.50 | Legorol | I suspect that you put the Ace libs at the incorrect folder level actually |
| 03:33.16 | DWSR | oh wow, there it is. |
| 03:33.19 | DWSR | I'm clearly blind, thank you |
| 03:33.20 | Legorol | I'm not familiar with how Ace libs are structured, but check what folder embeds.xml refers to, and check that you put the libs there |
| 03:34.12 | Quaunaut | The embeds.xml: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141503 |
| 03:34.42 | Quaunaut | Ahhhh, I think I see the issue |
| 03:34.51 | Amarande | ok that's weird, the first time I picked a presence on the DK I got 300 runeforging and the redout went away |
| 03:34.51 | Quaunaut | The libraries are at the wrong level, lessee |
| 03:35.55 | Quaunaut | These are always the mistakes that get me to stop |
| 03:36.35 | JoBbZ | nm, coded around the max_questlog_quests bit |
| 03:36.48 | Thunder_Child | is there a glitch in the officer notes of guilds now? i can see them via addon |
| 03:36.54 | Thunder_Child | but not when i go to look |
| 03:37.56 | Quaunaut | Okay, now it's just having a general 'error' opening LibStub.lua |
| 03:38.09 | Quaunaut | Doesn't say what at all |
| 03:38.57 | Amarande | good god, not having auctioneer greatly improves my alt-tab time |
| 03:41.39 | JoBbZ | heh |
| 03:41.48 | JoBbZ | i hear they are working on getting a new release out asap |
| 03:41.56 | Legorol | Quaunaut: sounds like your folder structure is still not quite there. Capitalisation may matter |
| 03:42.10 | Amarande | where do you go to reforge, btw? |
| 03:42.13 | Quaunaut | It's perfect |
| 03:42.43 | Legorol | doublecheck to make sure that you placed libstub correctly, so that you have: World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\EnhanceTimers\Libs\LibStub\LibStub.lua |
| 03:43.00 | Quaunaut | I just did |
| 03:43.03 | Quaunaut | It's perfect |
| 03:43.29 | Legorol | ok, in the embeds.xml you pastey-d, there appears to be a typo, there's a missing < on line 5 |
| 03:43.55 | Quaunaut | Okay, so, had to restart WoW. Is it gonna be like that now? I thought you could just reloadui when you updated something. |
| 03:44.10 | Legorol | if you update file locations, you have to restart |
| 03:44.17 | Legorol | WoW caches all files referenced when it starts |
| 03:44.20 | Quaunaut | Oy vey |
| 03:44.27 | Legorol | you can edit the contenst of them and do a reload UI |
| 03:45.53 | Quaunaut | Okay. Also, sidenote: Whoever put that loud sound to play when you hit "Play" on the new launcher needs to jump in a fire |
| 03:48.49 | Iriel | Ditto if you update the ## part of a TOC file |
| 03:48.55 | Iriel | Those are cached at client launch too |
| 03:49.27 | Xinhuan | Iriel, was it you who said there were GetitemInfo() issues |
| 03:49.37 | Xinhuan | with looping over say 55000 itemids at a go |
| 03:49.38 | Iriel | It has changed |
| 03:49.38 | Iriel | Yes |
| 03:49.54 | Iriel | It's no longer a guaranteed client side hit, due to the streaming client. |
| 03:49.59 | Iriel | it may cause a server side lookup |
| 03:50.09 | Xinhuan | well i can tell u right now on live |
| 03:50.19 | Xinhuan | that when i initiated a 55000--->1 lookup on every id |
| 03:50.39 | Xinhuan | the client hung for about 1 min, then unhung, and my local cache populated itself with every item in the game |
| 03:50.47 | Xinhuan | without d/c |
| 03:50.57 | Iriel | The complaint was lockups, not D/C's |
| 03:50.57 | Xinhuan | live, meaning 4.0.1 |
| 03:51.03 | Iriel | though I suspect you could overdo it 8-) |
| 03:51.06 | Xinhuan | yeah but still hmmm |
| 03:51.15 | Xinhuan | whats the best way to deal with this now |
| 03:51.45 | Iriel | I'm told it'll be "better supported" in a future patch, but we'll have to see when and what that means |
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| 03:52.42 | Thunder_Child | druid fun....but the pally still has the best set of 'i wants' |
| 03:53.30 | Xinhuan | right, so i can't generate a list of items for users to pick hmmm |
| 03:53.33 | Xinhuan | without a hang |
| 03:54.53 | Mirrormn | http://consumerist.com/2010/10/pinnacle-of-simcity-urban-planning-is-totalitarian-death-state.html this is really kind of scary |
| 03:55.36 | JoBbZ | any idea why wow doesn't like something like "return color, id..item, name;" anymore? |
| 03:55.44 | JoBbZ | it says i can't concat id |
| 03:56.22 | JoBbZ | ah nm, id is nil |
| 03:56.25 | JoBbZ | let me see what is setting it :P |
| 03:59.23 | batrick | Man, I thought Ubuntu 10.10 would start using the sane SI prefixes, isntead they just added the 'i' to [kMG]i. =/ |
| 03:59.37 | batrick | which admittedly is nice, but still annoying |
| 04:01.33 | Shirik | seriously |
| 04:01.36 | Shirik | .... seriously? |
| 04:01.38 | Shirik | http://www.buzzfeed.com/zombieianbrooks/public-twitter-booth-1ldk |
| 04:02.14 | batrick | shirik, you agree with me? |
| 04:02.19 | Kraps | Shirik: its the end of the world |
| 04:02.49 | Quaunaut | I don't have to reload the game every time I add a function to my core right? |
| 04:02.51 | Shirik | no batrick |
| 04:02.55 | Shirik | I hate that i crap |
| 04:03.11 | batrick | Respect.shirik-- |
| 04:03.11 | ckknight | batrick: but Mi and Gi are the proper SI prefixes |
| 04:03.30 | Shirik | no |
| 04:03.40 | Shirik | it's the proper prefixes for people that need to have... |
| 04:03.40 | Shirik | no |
| 04:03.44 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27191402545/buying-master-flying/ |
| 04:03.48 | Shirik | not going to grace them with my anger |
| 04:03.51 | ckknight | not ki, though, should be Ki |
| 04:04.15 | Shirik | How about K |
| 04:04.17 | batrick | that's another nice thing |
| 04:04.20 | Shirik | BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DUMBASSES |
| 04:04.31 | batrick | the idiot comp scientists decided to capitalize the 'k' |
| 04:04.39 | batrick | kilo is lowercase in SI |
| 04:04.54 | ckknight | but not as kibi |
| 04:04.56 | ckknight | that it's Ki |
| 04:05.01 | batrick | that's contrived |
| 04:05.07 | batrick | and only perpetuates confusion |
| 04:05.13 | ckknight | I'm just stating facts |
| 04:05.15 | batrick | i refuse to be bound by such idiocracy |
| 04:05.19 | ckknight | go take your politics elsewhere :P |
| 04:05.26 | batrick | the IEC can publicize whatever standard they want |
| 04:05.27 | ckknight | would you rather we use 1000-based numbers? |
| 04:05.30 | batrick | doesn't mean we have to adopt it |
| 04:05.32 | batrick | yes |
| 04:05.33 | batrick | god yes |
| 04:05.35 | ckknight | okay then |
| 04:05.35 | Shirik | actually |
| 04:05.38 | ckknight | I actually agree with that |
| 04:05.45 | Arrowmaster | batrick: why would you want to use 1000-base numbers? |
| 04:05.49 | Shirik | I would prefer our number system becomes base pi |
| 04:05.54 | batrick | because it's what the whole world uses? |
| 04:05.54 | Shirik | then pi is rational |
| 04:06.26 | batrick | Shirik: false, just means every number in your number system becomes transcendental |
| 04:06.33 | batrick | every representable* |
| 04:06.57 | JoBbZ | ok, how about GetSpellName, anyone know an alternative? |
| 04:07.27 | ckknight | GetSpellInfo |
| 04:08.24 | JoBbZ | hm, found GetSpellBookItemName |
| 04:08.27 | JoBbZ | on wowwiki |
| 04:08.40 | Arrowmaster | why are you using wowwiki? |
| 04:08.51 | Arrowmaster | its api info is never up to date |
| 04:09.42 | Quaunaut | What is up to date? |
| 04:09.53 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprograming |
| 04:10.02 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 04:10.02 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 04:10.03 | Amarande | you know, something I'm trying to remember from a long time ago |
| 04:10.15 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27188062327/new-water-wow-just-wow/ |
| 04:10.19 | Amarande | I used to be able to just type /reloadui instead of /console reloadui |
| 04:10.21 | Amarande | what addon did that? |
| 04:10.35 | Arrowmaster | try /reload |
| 04:11.09 | Quaunaut | What is the zone/area heirarchy? |
| 04:11.22 | JoBbZ | well /reload ui |
| 04:11.23 | JoBbZ | works for me |
| 04:12.22 | clever | i think it ignores all arguments given to it, so /reload anything would work |
| 04:12.50 | Dagmar | /reload monkeysex |
| 04:13.34 | clever | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ReloadUI |
| 04:14.42 | JoBbZ | heh |
| 04:14.58 | JoBbZ | hm, so GetNumSkillLines is erroring now, and both of those sites reference it with no alternative |
| 04:17.56 | Quaunaut | So, can anyone tell me why ZONE_CHANGED() does nothing here? : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141504 |
| 04:22.09 | Arrowmaster | !api ZONE_CHANGED |
| 04:22.09 | lua_bot | ZONE_CHANGED: Fires when the player moves between subzones or other named areas (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ZONE_CHANGED) |
| 04:22.19 | Arrowmaster | !api ZONE_CHANGED_* |
| 04:22.19 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'ZONE_CHANGED_*': ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS, ZONE_CHANGED, ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
| 04:22.38 | Arrowmaster | !api ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
| 04:22.38 | lua_bot | ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA: Fires when the player moves between major zones or enters/exits an instance (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA) |
| 04:22.48 | Thunder_Child | hmmm...i read that as GetNumSkull |
| 04:22.56 | JoBbZ | lol |
| 04:23.06 | Arrowmaster | Quaunaut: maybe you want ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
| 04:23.26 | Quaunaut | Nope, I'm wanting normal ZONE_CHANGED |
| 04:23.44 | Arrowmaster | are you sure? it doesnt fire often |
| 04:24.24 | Quaunaut | I thought it fired at any subzone change? Doesn't NEW_AREA go only when you essentially hit a loading screen of some sort? |
| 04:24.31 | Kraps | h |
| 04:24.40 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 04:25.08 | Arrowmaster | the _NEW_AREA one is any major zone change, anything that has its own map |
| 04:25.15 | Kraps | STUPID NET ALWAYS CHOKES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT |
| 04:25.24 | Arrowmaster | or chat channel |
| 04:25.32 | Quaunaut | Exactly |
| 04:25.43 | Arrowmaster | you probably want the minimap one then |
| 04:25.49 | Arrowmaster | !api MINIMAP_ZONE |
| 04:25.49 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'MINIMAP_ZONE'. |
| 04:25.53 | Arrowmaster | !api MINIMAP |
| 04:25.53 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'MINIMAP'. Please be more specific |
| 04:26.10 | Quaunaut | I'm even just changing subzones within the Exodar, not getting anything |
| 04:28.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah i got no clue, i dont see the old event listed |
| 04:28.34 | Quaunaut | Well, NEW_AREA worked, but I guess ZONE_CHANGED is just bullshit? |
| 04:28.50 | Arrowmaster | NEW_AREA shouldnt work for subzones |
| 04:28.54 | Quaunaut | It doesn't |
| 04:29.02 | Quaunaut | Just the major zones |
| 04:29.14 | Quaunaut | But it works /at all/, as opposed to ZONE_CHANGED which wasn't firing ever |
| 04:29.28 | Torhal | ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS as well |
| 04:29.56 | Arrowmaster | something is supposed to fire when the output of GetMinimapZoneText() changes |
| 04:30.04 | nebula | ZONE_CHANGED: Fires when the player moves between subzones or other named areas. Only fired if ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS or ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA does not fire. |
| 04:30.13 | nebula | little more than lua_bot shared |
| 04:30.20 | Quaunaut | Yeah, I know |
| 04:30.25 | Jerub | dankna: thankyou for your support and patient words. i cracked it |
| 04:30.27 | Quaunaut | But it isn't firing for subzones |
| 04:32.05 | Arrowmaster | try the ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS one |
| 04:32.10 | Arrowmaster | maybe its just where you are |
| 04:32.30 | nebula | yea, why i pasted it was it says it won't fire in _NEW_AREA or _INDOORS does |
| 04:32.35 | nebula | if* |
| 04:34.11 | Quaunaut | Okay, that worked |
| 04:34.23 | Quaunaut | So basically, you have all 3 for that sort of thing or TOO BAD LOL |
| 04:34.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:36.10 | Adys | Shirik |
| 04:36.11 | Adys | I win |
| 04:36.15 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:36.16 | Shirik | no |
| 04:36.17 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/1034693 |
| 04:36.17 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/257149/ |
| 04:36.28 | Adys | background-image: url($base64("/static/img/bg.jpg")); |
| 04:36.43 | Adys | of course ill move away from regexes asap |
| 04:36.57 | Adys | but it's just a proof of concept |
| 04:41.36 | Kraps | what does this mean http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27188062956&sid=1 |
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| 04:42.03 | Adys | Kraps: it's starting to look like a triple trollpost |
| 04:42.08 | Dagmar | OMG |
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| 04:45.34 | Amarande | so. |
| 04:45.46 | Amarande | all hunters now have to go back to city and train Control Pet, even ones that were well past 10? |
| 04:45.49 | Amarande | bah. |
| 04:45.55 | Amarande | this control pet thing is *dumb* |
| 04:46.08 | Adys | jesus christ do you ever stop whining. |
| 04:46.29 | Amarande | Adys: I don't think ANYONE has had anything good to say about Control Pet, actually. :) |
| 04:46.35 | Amarande | The *consensus* is that it's dumb. |
| 04:47.33 | Adys | because the *consensus* is made by a bunch of braindamaged players who think they can think like designers |
| 04:47.50 | *** part/#wowuidev JoBbZ (~JoBbZ@75.111.45.108) |
| 04:47.53 | Adys | control pet is made so that the dude who picks up the game doesn't see "wtf 2 actionbars lots of spells what is this i dont understand" |
| 04:48.30 | Adys | it's not intended at players who have been playing for 6 years and know how a hunter pet works |
| 04:48.54 | Kraps | omg casuals Adys |
| 04:49.00 | Adys | and these players can put up with the idea of not controlling their pet for 10 levels, a pet they never even had in the first place before 4.x |
| 04:49.07 | Adys | suck it the hell up, seriously. |
| 04:49.33 | Mirrormn | so hunters get their pet at 1 but can't control it until 10? |
| 04:49.45 | Adys | ya |
| 04:49.50 | Mirrormn | I actually like that progression A LOT SO SUCK IT CONSENSUS |
| 04:50.29 | Adys | theres no "consensus" it's bullshit |
| 04:50.29 | Amarande | also: are tabards now a permanent part of your clothing? |
| 04:50.36 | Adys | it's just people whining on the forums |
| 04:50.41 | Amarande | I keep seeing toons wearing Guild Tabards that don't even OWN a tabard |
| 04:50.58 | Mirrormn | well the consensus of the people that are whining about it is that it is something that needs to be whined about |
| 04:52.33 | Amarande | ooh, steady shot at lv3 now |
| 04:52.39 | Amarande | wtf, I have to retrain parry. I already HAD parry! |
| 04:53.00 | Amarande | yay kill command at 10, though |
| 04:53.00 | Adys | it's a fucking outrage, we get it. |
| 04:53.16 | Cairenn | Adys: deep breath, count to 10 |
| 04:53.29 | Kraps | Adys: someone should be fired over it |
| 04:53.39 | Adys | sorry Cairenn, ive been reading whining all day on mmoc |
| 04:53.39 | Cairenn | Kraps: stop helping :p |
| 04:53.48 | Dagmar | Amarande if you're seeing toons wearing tabards they don't have, it's time to lay off the mushrooms. |
| 04:53.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: you want the screenshot? |
| 04:54.10 | Kraps | but i'm naturally helpful Cairenn! |
| 04:54.16 | Cairenn | Adys: I know, I figured it was something like that - just go with the "it's patch day" and remember to breath and count to 10 ... frequently ... |
| 04:54.24 | Cairenn | hugs Adys |
| 04:54.45 | Amarande | Cairenn, this channel would fall into civil war within hours without you :) |
| 04:54.51 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:54.55 | Dagmar | No, I stopped eating mushrooms recreationally over a decade ago |
| 04:55.00 | Adys | i should sell aspirin to sysadmins/forum moderators on patch days |
| 04:55.01 | Cairenn | I doubt that, but thank you |
| 04:55.03 | Adys | would make a fortune |
| 04:55.10 | Cairenn | Adys: heh, indeed |
| 04:56.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_101310_005406.jpg |
| 04:56.39 | Amarande | I do not own a Guild Tabard on this character at all. |
| 04:57.13 | Adys | i havent heard of that |
| 04:57.19 | Adys | check your interface options? dunno |
| 04:58.52 | Dagmar | So go buy one put it on, and take it back off again. Problem solved. |
| 04:59.12 | Kraps | this stormchasers ad pisses me off: "HERP DERP THIS IS SO AWESOME also i regularly put my wife and child in danger for the benefit of tv" |
| 05:01.20 | Cairenn | Amarande: just talked to a blizz programmer, they're aware of the bug |
| 05:01.24 | Mirror|peelS | Amarande: Invisible Tabard is the best tabard, I'm wearing one too |
| 05:01.45 | Dagmar | What you *should* be complaining about is that there's no *penis* on the tabard. |
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| 05:01.59 | Dagmar | ...because you could run around wearing that and they wouldn't drop the banhammer on you forit. |
| 05:02.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: given that my character is female, I should hope she doesn't have one of those. |
| 05:02.23 | Amarande | actually, I don't have *any* male characters anymore come to think of it. |
| 05:02.30 | Amarande | or any non-bloodelves, either |
| 05:02.34 | Dagmar | *on the tabard* |
| 05:02.40 | Dagmar | Not on the toon you freak |
| 05:02.59 | Kraps | warlocks are really upset about their pets changing names |
| 05:03.24 | nebula | that was pretty lame ;[ i'll miss piptuk and drotom |
| 05:03.53 | Dagmar | Are they getting whole new names or are they being randomly generated now? |
| 05:04.07 | nebula | just new random name with the patch |
| 05:04.16 | Kraps | "Deathwing ate all of your Warlock pets. On a more serious note, we're looking into this. Thanks for your patience! (and give your new friends a try =) " |
| 05:05.58 | Torhal | WTF? My imp isn't going to be Pagtip anymore? |
| 05:06.13 | Amarande | so X mastery rating = 1 mastery point |
| 05:06.20 | Torhal | Fisker rages. |
| 05:06.42 | Amarande | is this done smoothly, or is it like the old Diablo 2 days of breakpoints on things like fast cast and IAS where X points gives you a point, and X-1 gives you jack? |
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| 05:08.31 | amro | id like jack |
| 05:08.43 | Mirror|peelS | so does anyone else passionately hate the godawful noise that the new cata launcher makes when you press Play? |
| 05:09.08 | nebula | did you experience the sound when it hit "playable" status? lol |
| 05:09.10 | Amarande | hasn't really gotten to me yet. |
| 05:09.11 | Amarande | lol |
| 05:10.42 | ccox | Grr. Healbot is borked. |
| 05:11.09 | ccox | but my enhance shammy is now doing twice the dps on a single target |
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| 05:11.45 | Mirror|peelS | I hate the Playable sound too, but it's not nearly as loud so I don't hate it passionately |
| 05:12.05 | Kemayo | I thought the elemental attacks were supposed to be starting with this patch? |
| 05:13.11 | nebula | how long did the zombie event last for wrath? just assumed it'd happen 2/3 weeks before cata |
| 05:14.51 | Amarande | anyways: is Mastery Rating smooth or granular? |
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| 05:16.17 | Jamash | the twink brackets must be going insane |
| 05:16.20 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1286636841.jpg |
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| 05:33.14 | Jamash | xp for mining woot |
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| 05:37.08 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 05:37.08 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 05:38.17 | Kraps | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3HlFewKByw |
| 05:38.55 | Amarande | good god casters will need over 1100 hit rating in cata on bosses |
| 05:39.04 | Amarande | blizz, you really need to rethink this rating decay thing |
| 05:42.08 | Fisker | It's over 9000? |
| 05:43.15 | Amarande | Fisker: it probably will be in a couple more expansions LOL |
| 05:43.28 | Amarande | seeing as it seems to more than double every time |
| 05:45.36 | Fisker | atleast you'll need more every patch now |
| 05:46.51 | Kraps | the music setting on my headset really kicks up the bass |
| 05:47.17 | Kraps | win |
| 05:50.51 | ccox | any sign of a working skillet or ATSW update? |
| 05:51.31 | ccox | ah, someone did post an atsw update, good |
| 05:52.47 | Arrowmaster | someone being the author? |
| 05:53.22 | Yssaril | ccox: http://www.wowace.com/addons/gnomeworks/ |
| 05:54.08 | ccox | early alpha, not yet updated, got bugs - thanks, but no |
| 05:54.32 | Amarande | yeah ATSW is fine |
| 05:54.46 | Amarande | although it took unusually long to load the recipes in when I was looking at my Tailoring and Enchanting on the priest |
| 05:55.03 | Amarande | btw, is the "sometimes multiple skill ups for one craft" thing in yet? |
| 05:55.04 | Arrowmaster | probably because your cache was empty |
| 05:55.11 | Amarande | or is that only going to be on the 450-525 range? |
| 05:55.39 | nebula | thats in cata |
| 05:55.53 | Amarande | so only for Illustrious recipes then? |
| 05:56.01 | Amarande | or is it 4.0.3 when it's extended down? |
| 05:56.19 | nebula | beta ui has a double ^ with a number above it for items with multiple skill ups, seems like it's just blues+ |
| 05:57.10 | nebula | (only noticed on a couple of items after getting illustrious training) |
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| 05:58.19 | Fisker | ok that's pretty monster fail |
| 05:58.30 | Fisker | the parental control link in the launcher is linking to the old page |
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| 05:58.34 | Amarande | and apparently I can still make the old soul bags. lol |
| 05:58.38 | Fisker | but that changed like several months ago |
| 05:58.42 | Amarande | now I have three different 20 slot and three different 16 slot bag recipes |
| 05:59.01 | Fisker | so they just become regular bags when they have been crafted? |
| 05:59.42 | Fisker | do you know if they ever put in the stuff about multiple skill ups |
| 05:59.51 | Fisker | and what about those cross-battlegroup battlegrounds, are they in? |
| 06:01.03 | nebula | cata stuffs, still using battlegroups |
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| 06:02.35 | Kraps | youtube needs a "random" button |
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| 06:10.00 | Dagmar | Kraps: Probably not |
| 06:10.20 | Dagmar | It's doing you a favor by obscuring 97% of the teen angst over nothing in particular |
| 06:11.54 | Dagmar | Imagine for a moment that you had something like a "view random posts, in succession" button for the WoW forums. |
| 06:12.02 | Dagmar | Not much difference in content. |
| 06:12.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: that sort of button on the WoW forums would suck :) |
| 06:12.58 | Dagmar | It would suck just as bad on YouTube |
| 06:13.05 | Amarande | the next QQ: "I'm not sure if I'm on threaded view or random posts view, can you tell me how to know and fix it?" |
| 06:13.13 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:13.53 | Kraps | are you guys seeing these movies on youtube? epic lulz |
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| 06:16.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: I do wanna say I'm sorry for giving up earlier. It's just really frustrating considerign I spent almost a straight month trying to twist BitTorrent into something that would stream video |
| 06:17.40 | kd3|netbook | hokay... almost everything working in f14. now to just fix lirc |
| 06:17.52 | Dagmar | lirc? |
| 06:17.53 | kd3|netbook | made sure wow worked before fixing anything else... >.< |
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| 06:17.57 | Dagmar | lights a candle for kd3 |
| 06:18.26 | Dagmar | It'll probably work fine tho |
| 06:19.21 | kd3|netbook | if only. the daemon crashes any time a lirc-using client (myth, mplayer) tries to connect to it |
| 06:19.30 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 06:19.34 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 06:19.52 | Dagmar | Barring an incident with it picking up on the wrong headers, I've never had it do that |
| 06:20.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: BitTorrent is just evil sometimes. |
| 06:20.18 | Fisker | damn kd3|netbook |
| 06:20.23 | Amarande | Especially since I tend to be a firm believer in good firewalling. |
| 06:20.31 | Amarande | And good security practice in general. |
| 06:20.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Actually it *is* just as much of "the right tool" for the bulk transfer of data to a wide audience as the heads say it is |
| 06:20.34 | Fisker | BLARGH |
| 06:20.58 | Amarande | I actually cared enough to send feedback to the Hyatt after noticing a security fail on their part when I was changing my reservation at the Atlanta Regency a few months ago. |
| 06:21.10 | Amarande | They've gotten back to me since, I've heard they're working on it. Yay. :) |
| 06:21.12 | Dagmar | Your CC number came up in an autocomplete field? |
| 06:21.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yeah. |
| 06:21.28 | Dagmar | Yep. I see about 5-6 of those a year. It's sad. |
| 06:21.30 | Amarande | How'd you know? :) |
| 06:21.56 | Dagmar | because the sites run by companies whose primary business is *not* IT are really prone to it |
| 06:22.10 | Dagmar | Domino's Pizza, for instance. |
| 06:22.41 | Dagmar | One of the websites run by my own institution at one point, too. That one got fixed in about two days flat |
| 06:25.34 | Kraps | Dagmar: "it really fuckin angers me that this stupid fuckin video has close to four million views and i was one of the fuckers that clicked on it" |
| 06:25.57 | Dagmar | Kraps: Hehehe |
| 06:26.16 | Kraps | anyway, night |
| 06:26.53 | msoul | it's morning here! |
| 06:27.46 | msoul | man I am excited about the patch, yet I have to wait until 5pm might be longer even |
| 06:27.53 | msoul | 9:30 a.m. |
| 06:28.16 | Adys | tekkub you here? |
| 06:29.53 | Torhal | So Blizzard took off the kiddie gloves wrt video settings. "No. Your rig can't handle this." |
| 06:30.07 | Dagmar | Water is brutal |
| 06:30.14 | clever | dalaran crippled my backup rig today |
| 06:30.20 | clever | took 10 minutes to get to the flight point |
| 06:30.42 | Dagmar | clever: Run contig yet? |
| 06:30.51 | clever | Dagmar: contig? |
| 06:30.54 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:31.04 | clever | no idea what that is |
| 06:31.12 | Dagmar | Windows' filesystem defragger will actually *not* defrag some files, particularly very large ones |
| 06:31.26 | clever | ah, defrag tool |
| 06:31.30 | clever | no, this was a cpu problem |
| 06:31.34 | clever | 5 seconds a frame:P |
| 06:31.44 | Dagmar | ...so all these kiddies talking about improving their WoW client performance by running _defrag.exe_ are mainly seeing placebo effects |
| 06:31.57 | clever | it seems client side CPU load effects the auto-walk (click to walk) |
| 06:32.02 | Dagmar | Contig on the other hand does not quail at the sight of large files. |
| 06:32.06 | clever | so massive load makes me walk at a snails pace |
| 06:32.26 | clever | from evidence ive seen everywhere, it feels like the client simply sets your location and the server blindly accepts it |
| 06:32.41 | clever | too much load and the client cant calc the distance traveled well |
| 06:32.48 | msoul | plays on a mac |
| 06:32.57 | clever | spam bots, and you can 'travel' to thin air and spell your website in the sky :P |
| 06:33.05 | Dagmar | I figured you might have disk issue |
| 06:33.08 | Torhal | Dagmar: Well, I started in D3D instead of OpenGL, so it isn't letting me go very high at all |
| 06:33.18 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure my WoW files are going to be all over my hard drive after this patch |
| 06:33.32 | clever | Dagmar: i have caused 'disk' issues in the past for interesting effects, 30fps with half the models/textures missing |
| 06:33.41 | clever | i stored the entire game on nfs over wifi |
| 06:33.47 | Dagmar | yuck |
| 06:33.52 | clever | wound up being able to see thru walls and into old iron forge :P |
| 06:34.04 | clever | until the loading caught up with me and filled them in |
| 06:34.08 | Dagmar | Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a long SCSI cable and set it on fire while you use the computer? |
| 06:34.19 | Torhal | Haha |
| 06:34.31 | clever | i might have to, the game has gotten too big for the laptop hdd enless i repartition |
| 06:34.55 | clever | i also havent defragged this backup rig in ages |
| 06:35.05 | clever | i normaly play it on gentoo with the whole thing stored on xfs |
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| 06:47.22 | zenzio | "The Dutch telecommunications authority OPTA has announced that Dutch hotels must register as internet providers because that is what they formally are, according to Dutch laws." o_O |
| 06:49.15 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 06:49.40 | Xinhuan | putricide is throwing maellaeble goo at EVERYONE in the raid at ranged (both normal and heroic) |
| 06:49.51 | Dagmar | Oh wow. lol |
| 06:50.05 | Xinhuan | and festergut, everyone at ranged gets the vomit |
| 06:50.07 | zenzio | he's tired of being farmed |
| 06:50.21 | Xinhuan | and dont even think about festergut heroic mode |
| 06:50.25 | Xinhuan | u get both effects combined |
| 06:50.26 | Dagmar | "GOOD NEWS everybody! We've got a special on SLIMES for EVERYBODY!" |
| 06:52.43 | Amarande | um |
| 06:52.46 | Amarande | Xinhuan |
| 06:53.02 | Amarande | is this indication that our hardmode raid attempts when they resume next week are going to be exercises in masochism? ;) |
| 06:53.15 | Xinhuan | dunno lol |
| 06:53.37 | Dagmar | Hey at least it's obvious there's a problem |
| 06:54.43 | mikma | xinhuan: hahaa, so, whats the difference between normal and heroic now? |
| 06:54.56 | Xinhuan | u have that debuff in heroic that u pass around |
| 06:55.09 | Xinhuan | and the phase changes are different |
| 06:55.31 | mikma | hehee |
| 06:55.56 | Xinhuan | technically still doable |
| 06:56.04 | Xinhuan | if all ranged stack in 1 or 2 groups |
| 06:56.10 | Xinhuan | and a couple of healers go in melee range |
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| 07:02.11 | Dagmar | Lordy the updater takes awhile |
| 07:02.27 | Napoleone | let it roll while i slept |
| 07:02.59 | Dagmar | It's been going about 20 minutes now and it's at 68% |
| 07:03.04 | Dagmar | I envy your cool headedness |
| 07:03.13 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 07:03.23 | Napoleone | downloaded it like 2 weeks ago |
| 07:03.34 | Napoleone | and now i forgot to craft the 300 glyphs that was planned last night lol |
| 07:03.36 | Napoleone | dam movies |
| 07:03.48 | Dagmar | Oh I'm not talking about the downloader |
| 07:03.56 | Napoleone | oh lol |
| 07:04.10 | Dagmar | it's actually installing all those wmo and m2 files and so forth now |
| 07:04.16 | Napoleone | aah |
| 07:04.20 | Napoleone | same thing ;P |
| 07:04.29 | Dagmar | I suppose I shoudln't expect >4Gb of stuff to patch quickly |
| 07:04.40 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 07:04.44 | Napoleone | again while i slept |
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| 07:14.25 | zenzio | "Heals get into groups faster than DPS. News at 11." -Bashiok |
| 07:14.53 | unfo- | whut? |
| 07:15.00 | zenzio | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27191402214/if-i-wanted-a-rogue-i-d-roll-one/ |
| 07:15.49 | Fisker | I wasn't trolling. Maybe having a little fun, but not trolling. |
| 07:16.06 | Fisker | I'd remember that for the next time i get banned from their forums |
| 07:16.40 | Fisker | so any guild chat on wow armory yet? |
| 07:17.20 | Corrodias | "you're about to lose 80% of your <INSERT CLASS HERE> population" |
| 07:17.21 | sylvanaar_work | lot of chat mods are going to fuck that up |
| 07:17.38 | sylvanaar_work | at least in the game client |
| 07:17.47 | zenzio | "Seriously! Who decided guild should have its own tab. Its causing chaos! " |
| 07:18.16 | Adys | whats that event? TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED |
| 07:19.01 | Dagmar | Gods forbid people see what their guildmates are saying |
| 07:19.57 | unfo- | zenzio, ahh.. healers not heals... gotcha :D |
| 07:20.43 | Amarande | zenzio: "The melee will stand in melee range." -- my raid leader, during one refresher to new members before BQL. |
| 07:20.56 | Adys | !api REQUEST_CEMETERY_LIST_RESPONSE |
| 07:20.56 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'REQUEST_CEMETERY_LIST_RESPONSE'. |
| 07:21.07 | zenzio | Amarande: that's good advice! |
| 07:21.15 | zenzio | I know melee can be confused about this |
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| 07:21.25 | Jamash | learning aid beta updated gogo me |
| 07:21.26 | Amarande | zenzio: and heh, I tried making a separate tab for guild chat once on one character and it just usually resulted in me forgetting to participate in guild chat |
| 07:21.34 | Dagmar | I know I get carried away sometimes and forget |
| 07:22.23 | Amarande | zenzio: It's BQL. It's not like you really MOVE much in it, except after mass fear, if you need to bite, or if you're unlucky enough to get a soulmate or have purple fire come out your ass :) |
| 07:22.32 | Dagmar | Adys: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/R#REQUEST_CEMETERY_LIST_RESPONSE |
| 07:22.45 | Dagmar | No idea why the bot missed it |
| 07:23.07 | Dagmar | yuck |
| 07:23.08 | jnwhiteh | I have two tables, node and node_index and I need to delete all entries from both of those tables where node.author = 'somestring' and node.id = node_index.id. |
| 07:23.12 | Adys | Dagmar: i dont see an ach there |
| 07:23.14 | Dagmar | wikia has t10 seller ads |
| 07:23.16 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: the bot hasn't been updatd with a full scan. |
| 07:23.22 | Adys | er |
| 07:23.23 | Adys | an event |
| 07:23.23 | jnwhiteh | patch isn't live in Europe. |
| 07:23.24 | zenzio | Amarande: I've not raided since right before Ulduar patch, so I don't actually know the ICC mechanics |
| 07:23.34 | jnwhiteh | so it would be nice to give me until it is to get it updated. |
| 07:23.37 | Adys | jnwhiteh: actually it is now |
| 07:23.46 | Amarande | zenzio: Ahh. Lana'thel is one of the easier ones. |
| 07:23.55 | jnwhiteh | Adys: its 8.23am |
| 07:24.04 | Adys | the servers arent up, but the patch is live |
| 07:24.09 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 07:24.13 | Amarande | Definitely the easiest wing boss by far |
| 07:24.17 | jnwhiteh | i consider the patch 'live' when I can play it with my client on the live servers. |
| 07:24.28 | jnwhiteh | I cannot do a full API scan until that point. |
| 07:24.31 | Amarande | Putricide is somewhat more complicated (especially if he's throwing Malleable Goo at EVERYONE now?) |
| 07:24.36 | Adys | oh you need to go online to do an api scan |
| 07:24.38 | Dagmar | zenzio: Valithra can give you eye strain in one fight |
| 07:24.40 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 07:24.45 | jnwhiteh | this is why my API scan is 'real' |
| 07:24.46 | Adys | i thought you scanned the exe |
| 07:24.48 | Dagmar | That's the big thing there, I think. ;) |
| 07:24.49 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 07:24.49 | zenzio | Dagmar: how so? |
| 07:24.51 | jnwhiteh | I verify everything |
| 07:24.54 | jnwhiteh | my list is always accurate |
| 07:25.06 | Adys | neat |
| 07:25.06 | Amarande | and Sindragosa is pain, and NOT the kind that masochists enjoy. |
| 07:25.09 | Dagmar | zenzio: Trying to see in a three-sixty radius for minutes on end |
| 07:25.12 | Adys | you published the tools for that somewhere jnwhiteh? |
| 07:25.14 | Spejnar | doh :( |
| 07:25.31 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure our entire raid regards Sindragosa as the pinnacle of suck as far as fights in ICC go. |
| 07:25.33 | zenzio | Dagmar: I see |
| 07:26.00 | zenzio | I should start looking around for a guild for Cataclysm soon |
| 07:26.04 | Dagmar | It probably doesn't help that I'm playing a hunter, and there's one type of mob huntesr have to get all over with a quickness |
| 07:26.08 | Amarande | btw, what kind of dragon was Sindy before she was killed and raised by Arthas? |
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| 07:26.25 | Dagmar | Stupid shambling monsters, blowing up and spraying diseas all over everybody |
| 07:26.30 | jnwhiteh | Adys: no, it's just a set of shell scripts that generate an addon that does the scan, and a processing script. |
| 07:26.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: aboms, or explosive acid zombies? |
| 07:26.40 | Amarande | I know neither of those is good for melee at all |
| 07:26.41 | jnwhiteh | I've got quite the history of API scans tho |
| 07:26.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: The hunchback ones that put the dot on everyone nearby |
| 07:26.54 | jnwhiteh | going back to build 7799 =) |
| 07:26.58 | Amarande | in fact, for this reason, Valithria is one of the few fights where I actually use Death Coil as frost DPS |
| 07:27.10 | Dagmar | I hadda cuss at whoeever kept putting chains on them |
| 07:27.39 | Adys | jnwhiteh: hehe nice :) |
| 07:27.39 | Dagmar | Im like "TRUST ME I'm on the things like white on rice" |
| 07:27.53 | Dagmar | I'd hit Distracting Shot and then *fwoomp* chains |
| 07:27.56 | Dagmar | @#$@##$ |
| 07:27.57 | jnwhiteh | Adys: they are the 'master' files that drive the live display of wowprogramming.com |
| 07:28.27 | Dagmar | I hadda have macros comin' out my ears to get through that one |
| 07:28.47 | Jamash | Amarande: Blue |
| 07:29.04 | Dagmar | 'spesh one to sic the pet on Blazing Skeletons and send him over with Intimidation cocked and loaded |
| 07:29.40 | Dagmar | I can make it through Prof Putricide far more easily |
| 07:29.55 | Dagmar | That whole wing is practically hunter pre-school anyway |
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| 07:30.13 | Jamash | dreamwalker is easysauce |
| 07:30.31 | Dagmar | You've been doing it in 25-man? |
| 07:30.34 | Jamash | no |
| 07:30.41 | Jamash | 25-man anything sucks |
| 07:31.07 | Dagmar | It's not easy for hunters |
| 07:31.13 | Dagmar | It's a crapload of running back and forth |
| 07:31.45 | Spejnar | huh? dw aint hard for hunters, kiting the blisterings on hm can be a challenge when you shouldnt blow up healers |
| 07:32.31 | Dagmar | I can stand around and *just* do that, or I can go nuts like I've been doing and try to be everywhere at once |
| 07:32.34 | Dagmar | NEED MORE PETS |
| 07:32.43 | Amarande | I believe the other fights in ICC I've been known to use Death Coil on are Marrowgar and PP |
| 07:33.06 | Dagmar | My pet isn't just a bulky spell effect. |
| 07:33.17 | Dagmar | I've got him bound to thumb buttons so I can put him on just about anything at any time |
| 07:33.26 | Spejnar | sind is probably the most awesome hunter fight, everyone else has to worry about shit, all you have to worry about is not taking aggro and dying while blowing CDs with hysteria ^^ |
| 07:33.43 | zenzio | Dagmar: so you're one of the (in my experience) few hunters that actually use the pet wisely in instances? |
| 07:33.48 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 07:34.03 | Dagmar | I like the idea of this being able to put your pet in specific spots thing |
| 07:34.17 | Corrodias | i like to think i was pretty okay at playing my hunter |
| 07:34.18 | zenzio | yeah, that sounds nice |
| 07:34.20 | Jamash | I like disengaging back out of sindy's death grip and continuing to dps while everyone else is running |
| 07:34.30 | Dagmar | I've always just pre-parked him places in the past and counted on him going back to his spot when needed |
| 07:34.31 | Corrodias | i made it a point to learn how to be effective |
| 07:34.48 | Jerub | Jamash: i loved sindy on my mage |
| 07:34.50 | Jerub | Jamash: blink ftw |
| 07:34.55 | Jamash | yep |
| 07:35.06 | Dagmar | Master's Call doesn't make you a lot of friends there either. ;) |
| 07:35.21 | Jamash | hee |
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| 07:35.55 | Jamash | so I just logged in my level 41 mage and was like WHERE ARE MY SHIELDS |
| 07:35.57 | Jerub | Jamash: mouseturn, blink, mouseturn, arcane blast without letting stacks drop off |
| 07:36.11 | Spejnar | rocket boots <3 |
| 07:36.20 | Amarande | Jamash: I like AMS'ing Blistering Cold ... full runic refill, never having to stop DPS at all |
| 07:36.29 | Jamash | nice |
| 07:36.31 | Jamash | seriously I don't have frost armor or mana shield |
| 07:36.31 | Amarande | the only problem is late in the fight it usually gets me killed |
| 07:36.48 | Jamash | too bad they took out raise self as ghoul |
| 07:36.52 | Amarande | trouble is I'm going so all out to get people out of iceblocks and not stopping for Blistering Cold that I never get a chance to get rid of my stacks |
| 07:37.03 | Amarande | and then around 10-12 stacks or so, even AMS doesn't do you any good and eventually I get blasted |
| 07:38.12 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/12/funny-pictures-purrigami/ |
| 07:38.17 | Jamash | stacks of chilled to the bone? |
| 07:38.41 | Jamash | oh of mana buffet |
| 07:38.44 | Jamash | or whatever |
| 07:38.51 | Jamash | mystic |
| 07:39.52 | jnwhiteh | holy fuck. |
| 07:40.26 | Jamash | I should probably visit my class trainer |
| 07:40.35 | jnwhiteh | I've received over 20 fucking messages on Clique overnight. |
| 07:40.40 | jnwhiteh | how in the hell can I even hope to deal with this. |
| 07:40.42 | jnwhiteh | for fuck's safe. |
| 07:40.44 | jnwhiteh | sake |
| 07:40.57 | Jamash | I <3 the "Train All" button I just put on class and tradeskill trainers |
| 07:41.08 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: all about different issues? |
| 07:41.15 | jnwhiteh | they're talking to ech other |
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| 07:41.19 | jnwhiteh | so its impossible to figure out how to respond. |
| 07:41.23 | Amarande | Jamash: mystic buffet. |
| 07:41.24 | zenzio | ooh |
| 07:41.29 | Amarande | Chilled to the Bone is a lot easier to manage. |
| 07:41.44 | Amarande | Mystic Buffet is almost impossible to really get rid of stacks of when I break iceblocks as quickly as I do at this point |
| 07:41.50 | Amarande | and I'm probably going to smash them even faster now |
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| 07:41.59 | Jamash | where do I put festering strike on my baaaaaaaaaar |
| 07:42.04 | Amarande | apparently DPS has increased. |
| 07:42.28 | Amarande | Tanks probably will love 4.0 ICC the most though |
| 07:42.35 | zenzio | how so? |
| 07:42.43 | Amarande | zenzio: word is they got rid of the dodge debuff |
| 07:43.03 | zenzio | ah |
| 07:43.25 | Napoleone | no dodge debuff. standard 30% more health on spec aswell |
| 07:43.35 | Napoleone | 10% of their health = atp |
| 07:44.40 | Napoleone | dps has increased.. i heard the opposite.. |
| 07:46.14 | Amarande | seems to depend on class and spec |
| 07:46.29 | Amarande | the only people I've heard complain are ret paladins and people having trouble determining optimal spec |
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| 07:46.59 | Napoleone | ye not enough points hihi |
| 07:47.15 | Napoleone | wonder how many errors my mod will provoke now lol |
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| 07:52.03 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/10/12/demotivational-posters-cutting-edge/ |
| 07:52.33 | Jamash | so, you can use unholy frenzy on gargoyles |
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| 07:54.57 | Jamash | is there a way to query the speed of a mount, or it's type (flying, ground)? |
| 07:58.38 | Dagmar | Yay my not-crocolisks still work! |
| 07:59.14 | zenzio | not-crocolisks? Was that the blobs of goo or whatever? |
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| 08:00.31 | Wobin | holy crap >< http://screencast.com/t/7M0febc7ncvr |
| 08:00.46 | Wobin | a few more photos than I was expecting |
| 08:01.12 | Wobin | this may take some time to process =P |
| 08:01.17 | zenzio | that's a lot of porn |
| 08:01.25 | industrial | OMG haste |
| 08:01.29 | industrial | http://twolumps.net/d/20101013.html |
| 08:01.33 | industrial | it's you! |
| 08:01.35 | industrial | D: |
| 08:03.11 | Quaunaut | Hmm. Okay, so I got an error message I don't quite understand |
| 08:03.26 | Quaunaut | "Interface\AddOns\EnhanceTimers\EnhanceTimers.lua:30: attempt to index global 'EnhanceTimer' (a nil value)" |
| 08:03.52 | zenzio | is this your own addon or someone else's |
| 08:03.54 | zenzio | +? |
| 08:03.55 | Quaunaut | Mine. |
| 08:04.14 | zenzio | well, then you have failed to create the variable EnhanceTimer before you try to use it |
| 08:04.40 | Wobin | perhaps try EnhanceTimers |
| 08:05.16 | zenzio | good point, didn't see that |
| 08:05.18 | Quaunaut | Thank you Wobin |
| 08:05.27 | Quaunaut | <--is a dumb |
| 08:06.51 | Quaunaut | Okay, so, this is weird. The place that I just changed that? That's where I set the value of EnhanceTimers.message to "You've changed zones" |
| 08:07.01 | Quaunaut | As a default value |
| 08:07.24 | Quaunaut | But then, it doesn't output that later, instead, it outputs it as "nil" |
| 08:07.33 | Quaunaut | So I'm wondering why it didn't get assigned or summat |
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| 08:09.30 | Wobin | perhaps use pastey to paste your code so we can see? |
| 08:09.48 | Quaunaut | hokai |
| 08:10.15 | Quaunaut | ...can't! It's down. |
| 08:10.16 | Quaunaut | :( |
| 08:10.25 | Quaunaut | And back up, kk |
| 08:10.45 | Quaunaut | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141509 |
| 08:12.31 | Dagmar | Fun. 24 slot ammo bag just up and disappeared |
| 08:13.05 | zenzio | I don't think it has anything to do with your problem, but why are you using EnhanceTimers.message instead of self.message in :OnInitialize()? Does self not work there? |
| 08:13.20 | Quaunaut | 'Cause the tutorial said so >.> |
| 08:14.13 | Quaunaut | I will note: If I use self there, it fixes it |
| 08:14.23 | unfo- | Dagmar, should be replaced with a 22 slot reg. bag in your inventory |
| 08:14.28 | Quaunaut | So I have no idea what that means |
| 08:17.53 | Dagmar | unfo: Apparently that doesnt' necessarily hold true if it was in your bank |
| 08:18.07 | Dagmar | But.. I have an empty bank slot now.. w00t! |
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| 08:21.52 | Dagmar | They can keep the bag. Apparently I now have enough justice points to buy more T10 |
| 08:25.57 | Dagmar | Two pieces, actually. :D |
| 08:25.59 | unfo- | Dagmar, oh damn >_> |
| 08:26.53 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 08:26.58 | Dagmar | There's effing earthquakes in Ironforge |
| 08:27.39 | zenzio | what could this mean?! |
| 08:29.04 | Wobin | hum |
| 08:29.12 | Wobin | my forward and back mousebuttons are not registering |
| 08:30.03 | Wobin | Dagmar: I suspect the reclamation of gnomeregan |
| 08:31.05 | Dagmar | Nope. The gnome infestation is as bad as ever |
| 08:31.21 | zenzio | lol |
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| 08:31.57 | Dagmar | It freaked me out because I flipped the graphics up to maximum a few minutes ago, and Dalaran was empty for some minutes |
| 08:32.20 | Dagmar | I'd just landed in Ironforge and then the whole place shakes, dust comes down from the ceiling, the whole bit |
| 08:32.44 | zenzio | maybe that says more about your character's weight, if it happened as you landed |
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| 08:33.34 | Dagmar | Ironforge, so... not a fat-ass Tauren |
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| 08:34.58 | Dagmar | Greeeat |
| 08:35.10 | Dagmar | Apparently priests now have a spell they can cast to grief the mailbox |
| 08:35.20 | Wobin | Glyph of Shadow Word Death: If your Shadow Word Death fails to kill the target at or below 25% health, your Shadow Word Death's cooldown is instantly reset. |
| 08:35.21 | Wobin | ahahaahah |
| 08:35.40 | Wobin | I can totally see all the shadow priests' health dropping like an absolute rock when the boss hits 25% |
| 08:36.06 | zenzio | hehe |
| 08:36.07 | Wobin | that is awesome |
| 08:39.13 | Dagmar | Echo Of Light has some interesting ticks to it now |
| 08:40.21 | Dagmar | Someone just got a 1.8m tick |
| 08:40.30 | Dagmar | That is um... hehe |
| 08:41.40 | msoul | are you playing affli |
| 08:41.43 | msoul | or demo |
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| 08:44.31 | Maldivia | Dagmar: the ICC trinket proc, or the priest talent? |
| 08:45.24 | Dagmar | Priest talent I think |
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| 08:51.04 | Adys | !api PLAYER_CAMPING |
| 08:51.04 | lua_bot | PLAYER_CAMPING: Fires when the player attempts to log out while not in a major city, inn, or other "resting" area (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_CAMPING) |
| 08:55.03 | bluspacecow | anyone find a cvar value or preference so the play button doesn't go KABOOM when clicking it ? |
| 08:55.52 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/bt.png << gr. |
| 08:58.30 | Quaunaut | Anyone know how to force in the addons tab a new line to commands? |
| 09:01.02 | Dagmar | Eep. Runeforging skill at 1/300. |
| 09:01.29 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: huh ? |
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| 09:02.46 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: yes, after you click Play, uncheck the "use launcher" at the login screen, then you only see the launcher when you acutally need to patch something :) |
| 09:02.49 | Quaunaut | In my mod's section in the Addons tab, everything is essentially showing on one line |
| 09:03.11 | Quaunaut | I wanna know how to break lines there. |
| 09:03.12 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: inserting \n in the strig doesn't help ? |
| 09:03.16 | Maldivia | string* |
| 09:03.29 | Quaunaut | Haven't tried it! I don't have any text in there though |
| 09:03.33 | foxlit | screenshot it, tbh |
| 09:03.42 | Quaunaut | I am wanting to break lines like after an input box or toggle box |
| 09:04.03 | Fisker | YUS |
| 09:04.05 | Maldivia | you need to anchor the widgets to other positions then |
| 09:04.08 | Fisker | today is dota day |
| 09:04.55 | Quaunaut | Screenshot: http://imgur.com/7Yh0e.jpg |
| 09:04.57 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: widgets aren't automatically layed out, you have to specify their position |
| 09:05.13 | Quaunaut | Maldivia: Where would I begin learning how to do that? |
| 09:05.43 | Maldivia | how did you make what you have ? |
| 09:06.39 | Quaunaut | AceConfig-3.0 |
| 09:06.46 | Quaunaut | Apparently automatically makes that stuff. |
| 09:07.00 | foxlit | is amused by ApeConfig-3.0 |
| 09:07.13 | Maldivia | ok, know nothing about how it sets it up, but you can probably specify it somewhere, try looking at teh documentation for AceConfig |
| 09:07.14 | foxlit | also can't read. |
| 09:07.27 | Quaunaut | can't either that's why I've been fixing typos all day 5 or 6 times |
| 09:07.50 | Quaunaut | Well, that's the thing |
| 09:07.54 | Fisker | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/10/13/new-valve-game-revealed-later-today/ |
| 09:08.07 | Quaunaut | I thought "Oh, maybe I can use Header to do it", then I put header in between and NOPE LOL |
| 09:08.27 | haste | industrial: hihi |
| 09:08.39 | Fisker | haste |
| 09:08.41 | Fisker | be fucking awesome with me |
| 09:10.54 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: try specifying width="full" in your options table for the various settings? |
| 09:10.58 | mikma | haste is fucking awesome without you |
| 09:12.33 | Quaunaut | Maldivia: That was a good idea :D :D :D |
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| 09:13.15 | Fisker | mikma |
| 09:13.18 | Fisker | it's fucking dota |
| 09:13.55 | mikma | fisker |
| 09:14.01 | mikma | i almost fucking care |
| 09:14.09 | Fisker | fucking good |
| 09:14.13 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: take it, you got the wanted effect from that? |
| 09:14.21 | Quaunaut | I did! |
| 09:14.46 | industrial | Fisker: fucking badly |
| 09:18.32 | Jerub | this man is a comic genius: http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html |
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| 09:26.32 | harl | hi |
| 09:28.16 | Cide | hi |
| 09:29.31 | Quaunaut | Doing a /reload doesn't save your variables right? |
| 09:30.32 | Cide | it did previously but why don't you test it and let us know |
| 09:31.27 | Quaunaut | Well, I first have to figure out if I even did it right in the first place |
| 09:34.13 | Quaunaut | Also, Cide: Was that sarcasm? :P |
| 09:34.21 | Cide | no |
| 09:34.29 | Cide | I heard reports that it may not do it anymore |
| 09:34.32 | Quaunaut | Oh. Well. It does, then :P |
| 09:34.35 | Quaunaut | Nah, it does save it |
| 09:34.36 | Cide | but I'm unable to test |
| 09:34.53 | Quaunaut | I just haven't used SavedVariables before, so I'm all pleased |
| 09:35.08 | Quaunaut | And man, thank God for Ace. So much easier x.x |
| 09:35.35 | Cide | I'm of the strong opinion that you should learn how to do it the real way before you do it the ace way |
| 09:35.54 | Quaunaut | Well, I'm learning to do it the Ace way and then looking how to do it the 'real' way while I do that |
| 09:35.58 | Quaunaut | And it makes me cry a little |
| 09:36.01 | Cide | why? |
| 09:36.15 | Cide | doing it the 'real' way is often as easy or easier for non-complex stuff |
| 09:36.28 | Quaunaut | Well, the SavedVariables stuff took a lot extra |
| 09:36.33 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 09:36.44 | Cide | it takes a single line in the .toc |
| 09:37.39 | Quaunaut | And then in the .lua? |
| 09:37.55 | Cide | one line to set the default value |
| 09:38.34 | Cide | and if you for some reason need to be notified when the variable has been loaded it takes another line to register the event and then you need to handle it |
| 09:38.45 | Cide | and the handling isn't different from ace |
| 09:39.53 | Cide | brb |
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| 09:56.02 | foxlit | EU has no server status forum :/ |
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| 09:57.20 | Napoleone | how delayed was the us servers? |
| 09:59.16 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/10/teenage-girl-control-rare-brain-condition-digesting-spinal-fluid/ |
| 09:59.21 | Adys | is it me or is that completely disgusting |
| 10:00.09 | zenzio | sounds unpleasant |
| 10:00.43 | Adys | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30886/Report_Microsofts_InGame_Ad_Unit_Massive_Shutting_Down_This_Month.php |
| 10:00.43 | Adys | It looks like Microsoft paid over $200 million for an ad business that doesn’t make any money. I am SO amazed to hear that. Hold on…no I’m not. |
| 10:00.52 | MentalPower | Napoleone: 6-7hrs |
| 10:01.51 | zenzio | Adys: it's almost as if gamers don't want to abort their gaming session to go shopping when they see ads |
| 10:02.10 | Jamash | ~seen tekkub |
| 10:02.16 | purl | tekkub is currently on #wowuidev (14h 7m 15s) #wowace (14h 7m 15s), last said: 'get a better font!'. |
| 10:02.50 | Jamash | pokes tekkub to update VendorBait |
| 10:03.29 | Jamash | yay massive die die die |
| 10:04.37 | Jamash | quick question, does anyone in the world care about windows fone seven? |
| 10:04.46 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Hawtness/~3/usg1xZ5AnCE/ |
| 10:06.34 | Adys | my bank is pathetic. |
| 10:06.38 | Adys | my french one that is |
| 10:06.44 | zenzio | how so? |
| 10:07.45 | Adys | Im asking for a money transfer towards the united kingdom ("Royaumes-Unis" in french), and i end up two days later with an email telling me I cant transfer money to Romania (roumanie) |
| 10:08.18 | zenzio | O_o |
| 10:10.33 | Fisker | why would anyone care for windows fone sieben? |
| 10:10.43 | Fisker | gimmick phone imo |
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| 10:25.08 | OmaRPR | Hi |
| 10:25.21 | OmaRPR | anyone know who is Cladhaire, developer of Clique? |
| 10:25.28 | Adys | pokes jnwhiteh |
| 10:27.10 | Maldivia | :-) |
| 10:27.22 | OmaRPR | hey guys |
| 10:27.29 | OmaRPR | Im looking for Cladhaire, anyone know his nick? |
| 10:27.42 | Adys | OmaRPR: jnwhiteh, as i said :) |
| 10:27.50 | OmaRPR | dah, thanks |
| 10:27.53 | Adys | but he's asleep, it seems |
| 10:27.53 | jnwhiteh | ohai |
| 10:27.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:27.58 | Adys | look, you woke him up |
| 10:27.58 | jnwhiteh | no, i'm definitely here. |
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| 10:28.03 | jnwhiteh | was digging into the Grid code |
| 10:28.09 | Adys | liar, you're a lazy ass, you know it. |
| 10:29.57 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 10:31.31 | haste | why would you torture yourself with that jnwhiteh :P ? |
| 10:31.43 | jnwhiteh | haste: he's overwriting clique's attributes |
| 10:31.46 | jnwhiteh | and i need that fixed =) |
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| 10:32.09 | haste | all hail doing it wrong |
| 10:32.10 | ZorbaBeta | augh my ui |
| 10:32.12 | Quaunaut | ...man, this channel is fantastic for seeing like every famous name in Addon development |
| 10:32.17 | ZorbaBeta | what has happened to it |
| 10:32.20 | ZorbaBeta | :( |
| 10:32.28 | Adys | I broke it |
| 10:32.28 | haste | Fisker probably touched it |
| 10:32.36 | Quaunaut | bad touch |
| 10:32.40 | Xinhuan | wtb mutable PLAY button |
| 10:32.54 | Quaunaut | Xinhuan: YES PLZ |
| 10:33.07 | ZorbaTHut | oh no questhelper has broken, did anyone really use that thing anyway? *deletes* |
| 10:34.30 | Maldivia | xin, the fix is unchecking usr launcher at login screen :) |
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| 10:34.51 | Xinhuan | meh |
| 10:35.14 | Maldivia | xinhuan, then you onpy have the sound when game or tools are updated |
| 10:36.21 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: not only the famous names |
| 10:37.04 | Adys | Vlad talks about WebGL: http://nvidia.fullviewmedia.com/gtc2010/0921-a8-2113.html |
| 10:37.13 | Adys | (warning, fullscreen flash) |
| 10:37.53 | OmaRPR | thanks guys see you later |
| 10:37.58 | OmaRPR | thanks jnwhiteh :) |
| 10:38.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:38.39 | Maldivia | should we be jalous ? :) |
| 10:38.56 | Adys | of? |
| 10:40.09 | Maldivia | don't know, that's why I'm asking! hehe |
| 10:40.16 | Adys | Oo |
| 10:40.46 | zenzio | Maldivia's milkshake doesn't bring all the boys to the yard, thus he is jealous |
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| 10:41.44 | jnwhiteh | my Chrome is painfully slow when WoW is open =( |
| 10:42.15 | Maldivia | zenzio: and I have absolutely no idea what that means :) |
| 10:42.22 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: is the new clique on curse already? |
| 10:42.27 | jnwhiteh | and wowi. |
| 10:42.32 | jnwhiteh | I push at the same time |
| 10:42.33 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 10:42.36 | jnwhiteh | <3 git |
| 10:42.50 | Quaunaut | So, I'm wanting to use UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED (I think), and was wondering if the arguments that are inherent to it have to be given a name or not |
| 10:42.57 | Quaunaut | Variable name, that is |
| 10:43.46 | Adys | Quaunaut: i dont understand what you're asking |
| 10:44.07 | jnwhiteh | so I am having an issue |
| 10:44.13 | Napoleone | bows to my idols in here ;P |
| 10:44.16 | jnwhiteh | on low-res screens, the spellbook and Clique UI cannot be open at the same time |
| 10:44.17 | Adys | buy a gun. |
| 10:44.26 | jnwhiteh | they both need to be open in order to create bindings |
| 10:44.27 | jnwhiteh | suggestions? |
| 10:44.37 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: if you don't have arguments for your event handler function, you can't access the event information |
| 10:44.40 | Stanzilla | scale them down? |
| 10:44.40 | Adys | jnwhiteh: screenshot of what it looks like on high res? |
| 10:44.56 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: how low res? |
| 10:45.02 | jnwhiteh | Adys: dunno |
| 10:45.04 | jnwhiteh | its just happening. |
| 10:45.15 | jnwhiteh | cause the spellbook is too big |
| 10:45.18 | jnwhiteh | uIScale fixes it ofc |
| 10:45.23 | jnwhiteh | but I dont like that solution |
| 10:45.23 | Quaunaut | Maldivia: So then I've gotta specify every argument to use the one I want? |
| 10:45.33 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: SpellBook:SetScale(0.7) when you open, and there isn't room ? |
| 10:45.41 | jnwhiteh | Adys: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3839e99b8c064506f4a0a1915be89011.png |
| 10:45.48 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: I could change the spellbook's scale, possibly. |
| 10:45.56 | jnwhiteh | i have to lower my res to test |
| 10:46.31 | Adys | jnwhiteh: why do you need the spellbook open? to bind spells yeah? |
| 10:46.37 | Adys | you could just create your own spell listing |
| 10:46.40 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:46.46 | jnwhiteh | that's not an option =) |
| 10:46.56 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: if you have the same handler for multiple events, you can specify ... in the function definition, and then just later access it depending on which event it was |
| 10:47.11 | Adys | jnwhiteh: what about something like |
| 10:47.26 | Adys | click button => hide clique, show spellbook => pick a spell => hide spellbook, show clique |
| 10:47.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah I can reproduce the issue |
| 10:47.31 | jnwhiteh | 800x600 at 1.0 UI Scale |
| 10:47.42 | jnwhiteh | Adys: too cumbersome, by far. |
| 10:47.48 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: example function handler(frame, event, ...) if event == "event-1" then local arg1,arg2,arg3 = ...; doSomething() elseif event == "event-2" then local otherargs=...; end |
| 10:47.54 | Adys | jnwhiteh: well, only on low res |
| 10:48.39 | Napoleone | 3½ hours untill next deadline is met ;P |
| 10:48.51 | jnwhiteh | another thing, how am I detecting lowres? =) |
| 10:49.16 | jnwhiteh | given that it goes up to 1.14 on the default slider =) |
| 10:49.19 | jnwhiteh | uiscale, that is. |
| 10:49.20 | Maldivia | if SpellBook:GetRight() + Clique:GetWidth() > UIParent:GetWidth() ? |
| 10:50.37 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 10:50.41 | jnwhiteh | so the 'you have unspent talent points' |
| 10:50.43 | jnwhiteh | that frame |
| 10:50.50 | jnwhiteh | anyone know is I can create a custom one fairly easily? |
| 10:51.24 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh hmm i think i saw a function that returned talentpoints available |
| 10:51.31 | Adys | seriously, fuck hard drives so hard my genitals hurt. |
| 10:51.35 | jnwhiteh | Napoleone: not quite what I mean =) |
| 10:51.41 | jnwhiteh | I mean the big yellow arrow pointy here =) |
| 10:51.55 | Napoleone | i cant see it atm... no server online.. screenshot it please |
| 10:53.50 | Maldivia | since they use them a lot of places, there should be a template somewhere, or a function to create them |
| 10:54.08 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 10:54.09 | jnwhiteh | I'm hoping so |
| 10:54.37 | Maldivia | is there a framexml up to date somewhere online? |
| 10:55.01 | Quaunaut | Okay, this is odd: Apparently wowprogramming is missing an argument or something? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 10:55.12 | Quaunaut | The 3rd argument is actually the spell name |
| 10:55.16 | jnwhiteh | Quaunaut: events aren't fully documented |
| 10:55.20 | jnwhiteh | and its changed in cataclysm |
| 10:55.34 | jnwhiteh | you should always (as the book states) use /eventtrace to get full information about events |
| 10:55.48 | Quaunaut | I don't have the book >.> |
| 10:55.53 | jnwhiteh | psh =) |
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| 10:56.08 | Quaunaut | I'm poor and dumb |
| 10:56.15 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 10:56.17 | jnwhiteh | you shoudl use /eventtrace |
| 10:56.20 | jnwhiteh | don't need the book for that :P |
| 10:56.55 | Quaunaut | You mean ingame? |
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| 10:57.01 | Napoleone | hmm |
| 10:57.02 | Adys | no, on irc. |
| 10:57.03 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: GlowBoxTemplate |
| 10:57.08 | jnwhiteh | Quaunaut: lol yes, in game. |
| 10:57.10 | jnwhiteh | Adys: haha |
| 10:57.11 | Napoleone | the big top one? |
| 10:57.18 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: and GlowBoxArrowTemplate |
| 10:57.20 | Quaunaut | That command is doing nothing ingame >.> |
| 10:57.22 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh what you want with it? |
| 10:57.33 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: just found it myself, and was about to write the same :) |
| 10:57.44 | jnwhiteh | now to make it, and make it point to the clique tab. |
| 10:58.16 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: was looking at http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/13117/MainMenuBarMicroButtons.xml - the last in that file is a glow :P |
| 10:58.23 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:58.43 | Maldivia | that's the box used to notify about unspend talents / if ou haven't clicked learn |
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| 10:58.56 | OmaRPR | Hi all |
| 10:59.00 | OmaRPR | agaiin :p xD |
| 10:59.01 | Maldivia | Hello again |
| 10:59.11 | jnwhiteh | OmaRPR: whats up now? =) |
| 10:59.12 | Adys | welcome back, we missed you |
| 10:59.20 | OmaRPR | any problem with clique, all ok. |
| 10:59.22 | Adys | I'm pretty sure Maldivia couldn't take the wait anymore |
| 10:59.37 | OmaRPR | But I need to put my RAID UI less width |
| 10:59.44 | OmaRPR | because it too large |
| 10:59.45 | OmaRPR | :( |
| 10:59.47 | OmaRPR | is there a form? |
| 11:00.39 | Quaunaut | Okay, so then on every event, is the first arg going to be the event name? |
| 11:01.26 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: first arg is the frame, second arg is the event-name, 3rd-nth arg = event arguments |
| 11:02.09 | OmaRPR | so you guys think there is a form? |
| 11:02.11 | Quaunaut | The frame? Wat? |
| 11:02.27 | Jamash | I'm glad they're buffing mob hp, these guys are dying faster than I can kill them! |
| 11:02.28 | OmaRPR | i want to get the widht less than it is possible in the Interface Options of Blizzard |
| 11:02.32 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: the frame that registered for the event, and to which the OnEvent script is attached |
| 11:03.02 | Quaunaut | Here, lemme show |
| 11:03.18 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: so a common event handler, looks something like function blah_OnEvent(self, event, ...) |
| 11:04.01 | Quaunaut | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141515 |
| 11:04.18 | OmaRPR | ok, thanks. |
| 11:04.19 | Quaunaut | Okay, in that? Where I put "event" is always returning the name of the event. |
| 11:04.20 | OmaRPR | need to leave |
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| 11:04.22 | OmaRPR | bye :P |
| 11:05.06 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: ohh, you're using Ace for your events, you might want to mention that, since it uses a slightly different syntax |
| 11:05.12 | Quaunaut | Oh. XD |
| 11:05.46 | Quaunaut | hides from that guy who said I should go without |
| 11:06.46 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:06.54 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a quick function for rotating a texture |
| 11:07.01 | jnwhiteh | especially if that texture already has texcoords? =) |
| 11:07.11 | jnwhiteh | should I just use a rotation animation and have it always in the final state? |
| 11:08.16 | Maldivia | let me see if I can find my code for it |
| 11:09.49 | Adys | jnwhiteh, Maldivia: you have the latest ptr? |
| 11:09.57 | jnwhiteh | I believe so |
| 11:10.00 | jnwhiteh | i'm on beta at the moment tho |
| 11:10.05 | jnwhiteh | cause i have a guild there |
| 11:10.14 | Adys | jnwhiteh: can you list me all the wow-update-oldworld files you have please? |
| 11:10.22 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 11:10.27 | Adys | in Data/ |
| 11:10.29 | jnwhiteh | where are they? |
| 11:10.45 | jnwhiteh | i have no oldworld |
| 11:10.47 | jnwhiteh | just wow-update |
| 11:10.55 | Adys | look in the ptr folder |
| 11:11.00 | Adys | cata doesnt have them |
| 11:11.21 | jnwhiteh | sent |
| 11:11.39 | Adys | ta |
| 11:12.01 | Maldivia | adys: http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/ptr/streaming/wow-13164-6F236DD5795507198039969CEA59B728.mfil |
| 11:12.32 | Adys | oh well that works too |
| 11:13.12 | Maldivia | that should give you the official information :) |
| 11:14.12 | Maldivia | but why didn't they go for an xml format for that file... |
| 11:14.29 | Quaunaut | You do any visual stuff that isn't in like an options sort of frame in XML, right? Or is it possible to do in LUA? |
| 11:14.45 | Maldivia | Quaunaut: you can do it in lua |
| 11:14.47 | Maldivia | CreateFrame |
| 11:14.59 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:15.07 | jnwhiteh | how can I get an animation to stick in the 'finished' position? |
| 11:15.53 | Maldivia | set loop to false? |
| 11:16.01 | Tuller | Cairenn|afk: ItemRack [Not Updated] - |
| 11:16.01 | Tuller | This is a mod to make swapping equipment easier. You add equipment slots to a bar and mouseover on the bar will create a menu of all items in your bags that can go in that slot. |
| 11:16.01 | Tuller | » Alternatives: *Tuller* has written an alternative (not a replacement) called Equip Manager Extras |
| 11:16.12 | Tuller | I'm not Gello :P |
| 11:18.14 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: doesn't seem to work |
| 11:18.44 | jnwhiteh | i guess I can pause it |
| 11:18.47 | jnwhiteh | but can we say hack? |
| 11:19.01 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: if you set looping method to "none" and then call Finish on it, it should play out and stay there |
| 11:19.14 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't, it snaps back. |
| 11:19.19 | Maldivia | hmm, bah |
| 11:19.40 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:19.45 | jnwhiteh | i just need it rotated 90 degrees |
| 11:19.53 | jnwhiteh | anyoe able to do the math for me if i give the texcoords? =) |
| 11:20.11 | Maldivia | that's just flipping them |
| 11:20.22 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 11:20.32 | jnwhiteh | i used to know this |
| 11:20.36 | jnwhiteh | but i'm all braindead right now. |
| 11:22.44 | jnwhiteh | <TexCoords left="0.78515625" right="0.99218750" top="0.54687500" bottom="0.58789063"/> |
| 11:22.46 | jnwhiteh | is what I ahve =) |
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| 11:24.03 | Maldivia | but now you need the 8-arg version instead :) |
| 11:24.16 | Cide | and non-centered rotation I'm guessing |
| 11:24.17 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 11:24.42 | Maldivia | you can't rotate with 4-arg version |
| 11:25.02 | Maldivia | you can flip, not rotate |
| 11:25.10 | jnwhiteh | ah. |
| 11:25.21 | jnwhiteh | I suppose I could deal with a flip |
| 11:25.21 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 11:26.53 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:26.58 | jnwhiteh | alpha gets fucked when you flip. |
| 11:27.09 | jnwhiteh | time to get the blp and make my own damn texture =/ |
| 11:27.13 | jnwhiteh | anyone have the art extracted anywhere? |
| 11:27.16 | jnwhiteh | I haven't been able to do it yet. |
| 11:27.26 | jnwhiteh | I need Interface\TalentFrame\TalentFrame-Parts" |
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| 11:30.05 | jnwhiteh | extracting em now, seems I can get them using addon kit |
| 11:30.07 | jnwhiteh | tho I thought not |
| 11:30.48 | nev-mobile | Addon kit gives you stuff. Outdated, however |
| 11:30.51 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 11:30.54 | ZorbaTHut | god I wish wow were capable of writing savedvariables to disk automatically |
| 11:30.54 | jnwhiteh | outdated graphics are fine |
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| 11:33.33 | jnwhiteh | sooooo messy |
| 11:33.33 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/b88b6c4a5b4d3b44ef23772ae9713bdc.png |
| 11:33.48 | Cide | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 11:34.24 | Cide | try setCoords(tex, 0, -24.3809, 0.888672, 4.83019, 0, 0.567383) |
| 11:34.26 | nev-mobile | Blizzard likes texcoord playing |
| 11:34.26 | jnwhiteh | Cide: it doesn't seem to work when you have a glow texture with alpha being applied. |
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| 11:34.33 | Cide | weak |
| 11:34.42 | jnwhiteh | I flipped it and it now has a big black bit =) |
| 11:34.45 | Cide | that should be translation+rotation+scaling but it was a while since I did that stuff |
| 11:34.49 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: rotate the glow as well? |
| 11:34.58 | jnwhiteh | i did, of course |
| 11:35.00 | jnwhiteh | that's what broke it. |
| 11:35.04 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/25658ed4131d7ad189eee7cbbd0e4813.png |
| 11:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | man, if only wow just let you, like, draw a triangle |
| 11:35.24 | jnwhiteh | that was just a flip |
| 11:35.28 | jnwhiteh | left/right top/bottom |
| 11:35.30 | jnwhiteh | only change |
| 11:35.43 | ZorbaTHut | I know, crazy talk. but. |
| 11:35.48 | jnwhiteh | on both textures |
| 11:35.54 | Cide | wow 3d engine? |
| 11:35.59 | jnwhiteh | or |
| 11:36.01 | jnwhiteh | maybe i'm borked. |
| 11:36.01 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:36.41 | jnwhiteh | yep, completely my bad =) |
| 11:36.58 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: which texture are you rotation? |
| 11:37.08 | jnwhiteh | the arrow texture/glow |
| 11:37.12 | jnwhiteh | got it now |
| 11:37.14 | jnwhiteh | i'll do a flip to top |
| 11:37.18 | jnwhiteh | and use that instead of rotating it. |
| 11:37.23 | jnwhiteh | alpha fixed, was my issue =) |
| 11:37.27 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:38.11 | jnwhiteh | would prefer a rotation of 90º clockwise |
| 11:38.25 | jnwhiteh | Cide: do those functions _work_ on textures that aren't 0/1/1/0? |
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| 11:39.05 | Cide | they reset the texture coordinates completely |
| 11:39.24 | Cide | but it incorporates translation and scaling so if I got the signs right it should still work |
| 11:39.33 | Cide | not sure on which way is up/down though |
| 11:39.59 | jnwhiteh | yikes |
| 11:40.10 | jnwhiteh | well if someone wants to help, i'll gladly accept it :P |
| 11:40.28 | Cide | you could also try setCoords(tex, 0, -24.3809, -0.888672, 4.83019, 0, 0.567383) |
| 11:40.42 | jnwhiteh | what would that do? |
| 11:40.51 | Cide | same thing but translate in the other x-direction |
| 11:41.08 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 11:41.10 | jnwhiteh | you gave me coords before |
| 11:41.11 | jnwhiteh | lemme check |
| 11:41.13 | Cide | yeah |
| 11:41.28 | Cide | but I have never used that function so it may not work as described |
| 11:41.33 | Cide | or I may be screwing up the matrix math |
| 11:41.48 | Cide | the setCoords() function is from the page I linked btw |
| 11:42.23 | jnwhiteh | yeah the texture disappeared. |
| 11:42.48 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:43.01 | Cide | with both versions? |
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| 11:43.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 11:43.39 | Cide | weak |
| 11:43.53 | Cide | so which way is up and down? |
| 11:44.08 | Cide | or which way (up/down) is positive rather |
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| 11:44.44 | Cide | alternatively, which corner is (0, 0) |
| 11:44.55 | jnwhiteh | bottom left normally |
| 11:45.04 | jnwhiteh | what do I need |
| 11:45.04 | jnwhiteh | hrm. |
| 11:45.33 | jnwhiteh | top-right should be 0,0 in the result. |
| 11:45.40 | Cide | try |
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| 11:46.08 | Cide | setCoords(tex, 0, -24.3809, -0.888672, 4.83019, 0, -0.567383) |
| 11:46.12 | Cide | last attempt |
| 11:47.25 | jnwhiteh | nah, disappeared again = |
| 11:47.31 | jnwhiteh | sorry, thanks for trying! |
| 11:47.38 | Cide | weak |
| 11:47.41 | Cide | I fail obviously |
| 11:47.47 | Cide | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i={{1,0,-(0.99218750%2B0.78515625)/2},{0,1,-(0.58789063%2B0.54687500)/2},{0,0,1}}.{{0,-1,0},{1,0,0},{0,0,1}}.{{1/(0.99218750-0.78515625),0,0},{0,1/(0.58789063-0.546875),0},{0,0,1}} if anyone wants to take a look |
| 11:48.02 | jnwhiteh | I'll make Iriel do it for me later |
| 11:49.10 | Cide | that's <translate (-0.888672, -0.567383)>*<rotate 90 degrees>*<scale (1/(0.99218750-0.78515625), 1/(0.58789063-0.546875))> |
| 11:49.12 | nev-mobile | Noone wrote a bunch of matrix fucntions in lua yet to do this easily? |
| 11:49.19 | Cide | guess not |
| 11:49.28 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you wanted it rotated 90 degrees, right ? |
| 11:49.35 | jnwhiteh | clockwise |
| 11:49.38 | jnwhiteh | the arrow points down |
| 11:49.40 | jnwhiteh | i need a leftpointing one. |
| 11:51.00 | TMc51 | If you're willing to use a new texture, obviously it'd be easy, but looking over the above, I take it you're trying to warp a texture into a triangle pointing in a particular direction or something? |
| 11:51.17 | jnwhiteh | we have a texture that points south |
| 11:51.22 | jnwhiteh | I need to rotate it to point west |
| 11:51.32 | jnwhiteh | righ tnow i'm just flipping it to point north |
| 11:51.35 | jnwhiteh | but its not ideal |
| 11:51.47 | Cide | for reference you should try |
| 11:51.53 | Cide | setCoords(tex, 0, -1, 0, 1, 0, 0) |
| 11:52.00 | Cide | and see if it rotates the whole image |
| 11:52.06 | nev-mobile | If i where at home, i could wip that up pretty quick, but i'm not:( |
| 11:52.09 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7402e53d5acc7f39c77bf41b51944bc7.png is what I have now. |
| 11:52.45 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: tried something as simple as tex:SetTexCoords(0.78515625, 0.58789063, 0.99218750, 0.58789063, 0.78515625, 0.54687500, 0.99218750, 0.54687500) |
| 11:53.38 | jnwhiteh | that works Maldivia |
| 11:53.44 | jnwhiteh | just the wrong size texture |
| 11:53.46 | jnwhiteh | which I should be able to fix. |
| 11:53.49 | Cide | way to go be awesome about it |
| 11:54.02 | Cide | I hate you all the more |
| 11:54.12 | Maldivia | took the four corners, and changed the order.... |
| 11:54.18 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:54.23 | nev-mobile | I should write this simple lua tool to do matrix math |
| 11:54.24 | jnwhiteh | no, setting the size doesn't fix it, it seems. |
| 11:55.15 | Cide | you need to alter the parameters |
| 11:56.05 | Maldivia | changing the width/height of the frame owning the texture (assuming it's SetAllPoints-anchored), should work |
| 11:56.22 | jnwhiteh | well now its all disappeared |
| 11:56.29 | jnwhiteh | so I've gotta see what I've screwed up now :P |
| 11:58.06 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:58.18 | Cide | if the texture is too big physically then yes, changing size should work |
| 11:58.39 | Cide | but if the texture encompasses to much of the image it represents then you need to change the parameters, no? |
| 11:58.47 | jnwhiteh | yay it works! |
| 11:59.07 | jnwhiteh | you can't do a 8 way texcoord in xml can you? |
| 11:59.11 | Maldivia | no, the set tex coords determines what coordinates are anchored to the corners of the visual Texture element |
| 11:59.25 | jnwhiteh | oh you can |
| 11:59.25 | Maldivia | 8-way in xml, nope |
| 11:59.26 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 11:59.27 | Cide | yes, that's what I said |
| 11:59.30 | Maldivia | ohh you can now? |
| 11:59.31 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: yes you can =) |
| 11:59.39 | Maldivia | when did they add that? |
| 11:59.46 | jnwhiteh | dunno but its in the schema |
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| 12:00.25 | Maldivia | ohh well, I basically stopped using the xml format when the last quirks with CreateFrame etc was fixed :) |
| 12:01.48 | jnwhiteh | huh. |
| 12:02.23 | jnwhiteh | should be TexCoord(ULx, ULy, LLx, LLy, URx, URy, LRx, LRy) right? |
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| 12:03.22 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 12:03.27 | jnwhiteh | ah fuck it |
| 12:03.29 | jnwhiteh | <OnLoad> |
| 12:03.29 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:03.30 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 12:03.56 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 12:03.59 | jnwhiteh | I have another set for you to convert? |
| 12:04.06 | jnwhiteh | since i have no idea what you did :P |
| 12:04.21 | jnwhiteh | <TexCoords left="0.40625000" right="0.66015625" top="0.77343750" bottom="0.82812500"/> |
| 12:05.03 | nev-mobile | 90 degree rotation is easy, just switch around the arguments a bit. :) |
| 12:06.51 | jnwhiteh | but what bit? =) |
| 12:07.30 | jnwhiteh | i'll do it =) |
| 12:07.35 | nev-mobile | I'm at a damn phone keyboard. Writing long sentences hurts my thumbs |
| 12:08.01 | jnwhiteh | left, bottom, right, bottom, left, top, right, top |
| 12:08.18 | nev-mobile | Anyway, convert to 8 arg version, and just rotate the corners by one position clockwise |
| 12:09.02 | nev-mobile | Ie. Upper left becomes upper right |
| 12:09.02 | nev-mobile | Etc |
| 12:09.38 | jnwhiteh | yay, all working =) |
| 12:12.05 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3994ea4d341faa3f3f6e944ec290d13f.png |
| 12:12.06 | jnwhiteh | thanks guys =) |
| 12:15.04 | Maldivia | :) |
| 12:15.16 | Maldivia | now you just need to change the text, hehe :) |
| 12:16.16 | Maldivia | and who's going to make a Growl library, where you specify text, anchor point, and if the arrow should be left/right/top/bottom :) |
| 12:16.25 | Maldivia | ehh, Glow library :) |
| 12:17.00 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 12:17.01 | jnwhiteh | wouldn't be hard |
| 12:17.33 | Maldivia | no - and I don't understand why Blizzard didn't just make that, considering they use it a lot of places now |
| 12:17.55 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 12:20.00 | Maldivia | ohh, and you should enable multisampling :P |
| 12:20.05 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 12:20.11 | jnwhiteh | i'm on 800x600 shit for testing |
| 12:21.33 | Maldivia | purl has a translate module, right? |
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| 12:22.04 | Maldivia | ~translate da en test |
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| 12:22.37 | haste | ~x da en test |
| 12:22.58 | amro | da? danish? |
| 12:23.05 | haste | should be dk I guess :P |
| 12:23.15 | haste | just did what Maldivia did |
| 12:23.27 | Maldivia | it is x? |
| 12:23.31 | amro | yse |
| 12:24.09 | Maldivia | doesn't seem to be working then :) |
| 12:24.21 | Adys | ~x fr en j'ai une couille en trop |
| 12:24.44 | Maldivia | ok, it doesn't support danish then, baah |
| 12:24.54 | Maldivia | what is a "savklinge" called in English then :) |
| 12:24.55 | haste | ~x dk en Fisker en en fisk |
| 12:25.00 | haste | :D |
| 12:25.10 | Adys | ~x en da sup |
| 12:25.11 | Maldivia | ~x dk en savklinge |
| 12:25.20 | Fisker | haste |
| 12:25.22 | Fisker | i can't :( |
| 12:25.25 | haste | you are |
| 12:25.40 | Fisker | i'm alone at work |
| 12:25.54 | Fisker | and i'm responsible enough(Read: Servers are down) to not just slack off |
| 12:26.16 | haste | I'm also alone at work! |
| 12:26.35 | Maldivia | hmm... according to google, savklinge is lame... |
| 12:26.54 | Fisker | atleast my name isn't Eben Fiske Ostby haste :3 |
| 12:26.59 | Fisker | or dikshit |
| 12:27.24 | Maldivia | ohh wait, that was in French it was lame :) |
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| 12:27.55 | haste | Fisker: wat |
| 12:28.05 | Maldivia | ~x en fr blade |
| 12:28.10 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
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| 12:29.17 | Fisker | haste some indian prime minister has "dikshit" as her last name |
| 12:29.28 | Fisker | and Pixar's VP is called "Eben Fiske Ostby" |
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| 12:30.21 | Jamash | standalone chatzilla go! |
| 12:31.24 | Fisker | i'm off in 30 minutes wee |
| 12:34.23 | Maldivia | wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgTq-AgYlTE |
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| 12:37.46 | zenzio | ~x en fr Windfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker |
| 12:39.44 | alestane | If you can see this, it's kind of bizarre: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1637123043481&set=a.1452942319078.2062109.1098886083 |
| 12:40.15 | zenzio | currently unavailable (to me) |
| 12:40.25 | foxlit | ew, facebook login |
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| 12:43.00 | alestane | End-user license agreement on a package of grapes. |
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| 12:43.26 | Jamash | hurrah chatzilla is now pinned to my dock^Wtaskbar |
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| 12:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | Today is destined for failure. I forgot my wallet at home. Half an hour south of present location. I have a lunchtime appointment half hour north of present location. I think I'll be doing a lot of driving today. *sigh* |
| 12:46.12 | zenzio | doh! |
| 12:46.15 | zenzio | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:50.12 | mikma | ahhahahaha, tree of life, ah hahahhah ah ha. |
| 12:50.31 | Kraps | looks like a tiny ancient |
| 12:50.40 | zenzio | I like the new form |
| 12:50.45 | nev-mobile | Looks kinda mean. Want to see it in action |
| 12:51.19 | mikma | Shiv now also dispells an Enrage effect on the target. ^^ |
| 12:51.42 | nev-mobile | Is that only in the new beta push, or in the live patch too? |
| 12:52.26 | nev-mobile | I hope the tree is big |
| 12:52.32 | nev-mobile | Like, huge |
| 12:53.13 | zenzio | I want to see like four or five druid use it at the same time in a raid |
| 12:53.18 | zenzio | instant forest |
| 12:53.51 | nev-mobile | I love the utility of the form anyway |
| 12:54.20 | nev-mobile | Finally something druids can pop in desperate moments |
| 12:56.09 | foxlit | mikma: Soothe, too |
| 12:56.35 | foxlit | Hunters/Rogues can now slack on LK. |
| 12:57.04 | mikma | so do druids still have the treeform? |
| 12:57.37 | jnwhiteh | My solution for high ui-scale/resolution: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/eeee74bec644484f9d8eba6f3af52350.png |
| 12:58.28 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: lazy. |
| 12:58.30 | mikma | jnwhiteh: hah! |
| 12:58.39 | foxlit | Why don't *you* fix the spellbook scale? :) |
| 12:58.40 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: what would you suggest instead? |
| 12:58.51 | jnwhiteh | because what scale do I choose? |
| 12:59.01 | foxlit | small enough to fit |
| 12:59.08 | mikma | jnwhiteh: SpellBook:SetScale(SpellBook:GetScale()-0.5) |
| 12:59.41 | Maldivia | SpellBook:SetScale(UIParent:GetWidth() / (SpellBook:GetWidth()+Clique:GetWidth())) |
| 12:59.48 | foxlit | I mean, you already know if your frame doesn't fit |
| 12:59.53 | Maldivia | and apply ther same scale to Clique |
| 12:59.58 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: UIParent does not update the width of a frame managed by UIParent when the scale changes |
| 13:00.28 | jnwhiteh | I'd prefer to 'fix' it |
| 13:00.43 | jnwhiteh | but i also don't like changing people's shit without them knowing about it |
| 13:00.58 | foxlit | undo your changes after they close your window |
| 13:01.02 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 13:01.13 | jnwhiteh | yeah, maybe I'll try to find a good way to do that. |
| 13:01.22 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the feedback. |
| 13:01.28 | Maldivia | and if you just apply the scale to spellbook and not the entire UI, it doesn't fuck up anything for the user really :) |
| 13:02.07 | Adys | jnwhiteh: even if you don't go for an automated solution, make your error msg much less tldr, and add a button to lower the ui scale right under it |
| 13:02.12 | Adys | or to access the ui options |
| 13:02.32 | foxlit | also, yellow glow is "this is awesome!" |
| 13:02.58 | foxlit | You probably want a menacing red hue instead -- "BOO!" |
| 13:03.04 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:03.57 | mikma | jnwhiteh: well, have clique "mini" window where you can drop spells |
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| 13:04.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:04.03 | jnwhiteh | sorry =) |
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| 13:04.34 | zenzio | that's sizeism |
| 13:04.49 | Maldivia | so size does matter? |
| 13:06.32 | mikma | apparently |
| 13:07.17 | foxlit | so, patch days over without wowinterface/curse melting |
| 13:07.29 | foxlit | do fewer people use addons, or did they get adequate hosting? :) |
| 13:08.10 | zenzio | I think it's just that people are too busy whining on the WoW fourms |
| 13:08.12 | zenzio | *forums |
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| 13:14.14 | alestane | Gathermate seems fried, still. |
| 13:16.30 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: Adys: I do not see any good way to make the UIParent code know that spellbookframe has a new size. |
| 13:17.33 | zenzio | for someone who's never used Clique... why does your window need to be open? |
| 13:17.47 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: you're using UIParent to handle the positioning of your frame? |
| 13:17.56 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yes, and the spellbook frame. |
| 13:18.19 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: because when it's open, the spellbook no longer functions as the spellbook, it's how you bind spells. When it's closed, it's normal. |
| 13:19.10 | zenzio | the "it" being open being your frame? |
| 13:19.11 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: Personally, I wouldn't touch the UI panels framework for positioning for my frames. |
| 13:19.27 | foxlit | Your frame is related to the spellbook, create your own anchors. |
| 13:19.27 | jnwhiteh | zenzio: yes |
| 13:19.32 | zenzio | hm... |
| 13:19.38 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: its not always related to the spellbook |
| 13:19.43 | foxlit | I cannot think of a case where it'd matter whether UIParent knows that you shrank the spellbook in that case. |
| 13:19.45 | jnwhiteh | it exists on its own just fine. |
| 13:20.57 | jnwhiteh | that's why I was using it, because it _should_ behave like another panel |
| 13:21.02 | jnwhiteh | except for this bizarre requirement =) |
| 13:22.37 | jnwhiteh | so they open the quest log, then open clique. where do I put clique? |
| 13:23.33 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27187854043&sid=1 |
| 13:25.51 | Kraps | there is no talking to these people |
| 13:28.35 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: in that case, you could use your panel code. |
| 13:28.58 | foxlit | It's just the open-from-spellbook button that'd position it relative to the spellbook, and shrink the spellbook if needed. |
| 13:29.11 | jnwhiteh | hrm, that may be worth doing |
| 13:29.15 | jnwhiteh | thanks for talking it through with me. |
| 13:30.53 | foxlit | In general, your design is a bit weird -- you probably do not /need/ the window open alongside the spellbook to bind things -- a checkbox or something would suffice. |
| 13:31.08 | zenzio | "I know why they released this patch now, Its gonna take bout 2 months to download this shiit... Gz blizz on the worst downloading tool known to man.........." o_O |
| 13:31.31 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: this is true, but I like making it clear that the spellbook is 'non-functional' in that state. |
| 13:31.35 | jnwhiteh | and I can make changes in the future |
| 13:31.42 | jnwhiteh | I'm just trying to stick with what people know, for now. |
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| 13:41.24 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: that ended up being a really easy way to do it |
| 13:42.17 | jnwhiteh | and it should appear 'normal' but cutoff to people with REALLY high UI scales =) |
| 13:45.53 | sylvanaar_work | whats a good screen cap program these days - fraps still? |
| 13:46.49 | zenzio | for video? |
| 13:46.54 | sylvanaar_work | yes |
| 13:47.24 | Maldivia | zenzio: considering the background download has been available for about 2 months :) |
| 13:50.45 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 13:50.47 | Fisker | your new icon is annoying |
| 13:51.30 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: k. |
| 13:51.36 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: am I supposed to change it now? |
| 13:51.45 | Fisker | yes |
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| 13:53.54 | Fisker | anyone know if there's an update for kgpanels? |
| 13:56.05 | mikma | so what's the deal with the normal treeform, is it completely gone? |
| 14:00.26 | Fisker | i think it exists as a cooldown you can pop now |
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| 14:10.08 | Fisker | has tekkub released any updates for her addons? |
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| 14:11.06 | Ackis | I see what you did there Fisker |
| 14:12.15 | Fisker | what Ackis ? |
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| 14:12.28 | root___ | hi all |
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| 14:15.02 | jelle_ | hi |
| 14:15.24 | jelle_ | does someone know if there is an irc interface for wow ? |
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| 14:16.30 | jnwhiteh | its not possibel, so no. |
| 14:17.01 | JaneLame | MMO champ said 1600 |
| 14:19.17 | Coren{de} | root, first rule of unix, you never ever login as root to do user stuff... |
| 14:19.57 | Thunder_Child | root quit 10 min ago |
| 14:20.54 | Coren{de} | hm, on login I'm told that joins, leaves and quits are teh secret, how do you know (and how would I know)? :) |
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| 14:21.11 | Thunder_Child | they might be for your client |
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| 14:22.33 | Coren{de} | => "Conference Mode has been enabled for this view; joins, leaves, quits and nickname changes will be hidden." |
| 14:22.46 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats yours |
| 14:23.16 | Thunder_Child | and it sounds like chatzilla |
| 14:23.25 | Coren{de} | aye |
| 14:24.49 | Coren{de} | hrm, not seeing any config option to change it, bleh |
| 14:25.42 | amro | failzilla |
| 14:25.47 | Thunder_Child | Coren{de}: http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#conf-mode |
| 14:26.01 | jelle_ | @jnwhiteh thats :( |
| 14:26.37 | Fisker | care we done Thunder_Child ? |
| 14:26.48 | Coren{de} | thanks much, Thunder_Child =) |
| 14:26.53 | Thunder_Child | english we dont use Fisker? |
| 14:26.57 | Thunder_Child | Coren{de}: ^_^ |
| 14:27.09 | Coren{de} | backwards we talk, jedi are we? |
| 14:27.17 | Fisker | idk Thunder_Child |
| 14:27.21 | Fisker | care was there when i got there |
| 14:27.25 | mikma | care we must |
| 14:27.25 | Thunder_Child | actually, i just didnt understand what Fisker said |
| 14:27.46 | Fisker | oh |
| 14:27.48 | Fisker | it was a c |
| 14:27.50 | Fisker | not a care |
| 14:27.55 | Fisker | are we done Thunder_Child? |
| 14:28.07 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker, we are |
| 14:29.01 | Fisker | ok Thunder_Child |
| 14:29.06 | Fisker | just wanted to make sure |
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| 14:30.35 | Napoleone | dam alot of errors lol |
| 14:30.48 | Napoleone | the message i get atm is: Interface\AddOns\PPUI\chatframe.lua:119: Usage: gc_new_f:SetInsertMode("TOP" or "BOTTOM") |
| 14:30.57 | Napoleone | gc_new:SetInsertMode("BOTTOM"); |
| 14:31.09 | Napoleone | at 119 |
| 14:32.12 | Coren{de} | I'd like to see a statistic of a percentage how many commonly used addons broke in the this to self transition :D |
| 14:32.24 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 14:32.46 | Adys | Tuller: ping |
| 14:32.47 | Napoleone | i like to see a full error list.. 3 things doesnt work anymore.. socialsbutton does not exist hehe |
| 14:34.59 | Napoleone | as far as i remember 16% hit was spellcasters hitcap... i now have gone from 13% to 28% lol |
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| 14:35.37 | TMc51 | ame wwhat class? |
| 14:35.47 | Ackis | I'm banned from 2k sports servers for a year. |
| 14:36.02 | Thunder_Child | Fisker 2.0? |
| 14:36.11 | Fisker | why so Ackis Ackis ? |
| 14:36.13 | amro | Ackis: that's a bit harsh for 5 fouls. |
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| 14:37.59 | Ackis | what's sad and ironic is that I'm banned for a year for doing something offline that was "bad"... didn't play a single online game of NBA 2k11 |
| 14:38.19 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.themexbox.com/index.php?topic=1944.0 Kinect > all |
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| 14:40.04 | amro | Ackis: what did you do? |
| 14:40.31 | Ackis | amro: modded a player locally to dick around with him |
| 14:40.44 | Fisker | take that |
| 14:40.46 | mikma | coren{de}: what self transition? |
| 14:40.47 | Fisker | cheater |
| 14:40.52 | Ackis | Fisker: :( |
| 14:40.53 | amro | Ackis: you may want to change that wording |
| 14:41.03 | Fisker | Ackis is a dikshit cheater |
| 14:41.07 | Ackis | Fisker: I didn't get anything out of it though :P |
| 14:41.10 | amro | also, now I now that 2k fails as much as I thought it did |
| 14:42.12 | Coren{de} | mikma, the <OnEventX>this:DoSomeStuff()</OnEventX> to <OnEventX>self:DoSomeStuff(love, god, secret)</OnEventX> conversion |
| 14:42.25 | Thunder_Child | didnt blizz do the same thing a bit ago? |
| 14:42.50 | Coren{de} | yeah, but they only killed the global this now with 4.0.x |
| 14:43.47 | Thunder_Child | i meant banning someone for offline modding |
| 14:48.08 | Shirik | modes Thunder_Child |
| 14:48.16 | Shirik | :( spelling fail |
| 14:48.30 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: did your clique svn repo change, or did you convert it to git now and didnt tell me? :D |
| 14:48.38 | jnwhiteh | its git. |
| 14:48.51 | nevcairiel | the url is not listed on wowi :( |
| 14:48.51 | jnwhiteh | i just told you =) |
| 14:51.15 | Coren{de} | I wonder what the streaming in background does when the disk got full... :> |
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| 14:54.20 | Coren{de} | btw. is there any way to get a usable torrent out of the new streaming process? the WoW.tfil is *kinda* like a torrent file, only... it isn't accepted by regular torrent clients |
| 14:55.53 | Adys | Coren{de}: it is by mine |
| 14:56.06 | Coren{de} | which do you use? rtorrent just bails |
| 14:56.13 | Adys | qtr (transmission) |
| 14:56.15 | alestane | Fishing for my cooking quest, I got my ninth big mouth clam and it was a struggle of will not to refer to it as "Clam 9 from Outer Space." |
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| 14:58.11 | Thunder_Child | alestane: which you seem to have lost |
| 14:58.18 | zenzelezz | I'm probably imagining things... but fonts look bigger (in chat) on 4.0.1 o_O |
| 14:58.24 | cog|away | oh look another thing that's all cog's fault: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=27188062773 |
| 14:58.26 | alestane | I didn't say I won that struggle, did I? |
| 14:58.48 | alestane | It's kind of like not thinking of a purple elephant. |
| 14:58.53 | Ackis | hi cogwheel |
| 14:59.04 | cogwheel | ahoi |
| 14:59.08 | cogwheel | or ohai |
| 14:59.12 | Thunder_Child | alestane: dont you mean pink? |
| 14:59.27 | jnwhiteh | mikma: hrm, I need a guild now |
| 14:59.28 | jnwhiteh | with guild perks |
| 14:59.37 | alestane | No perks yet. |
| 14:59.45 | alestane | I think perks come with Cataclysm. |
| 15:00.20 | Ackis | has a guild perk in his pants. |
| 15:00.40 | nevcairiel | indeed they do |
| 15:00.45 | nevcairiel | no guild leveling until cataclysm |
| 15:00.57 | Fisker | sounds like one you would get if you were leveling backwards Ackis |
| 15:01.06 | Fisker | maybe at level negative 9001 |
| 15:01.13 | Ackis | Fisker: remember what I said in a PM!!! |
| 15:01.36 | Fisker | penis |
| 15:01.38 | Fisker | teehee |
| 15:02.50 | zenzelezz | hm, my cloak now has +dodge rating enchant... it's like I'm back to AQ times |
| 15:08.29 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:08.49 | zenzelezz | "Discovered: The Military Ward" |
| 15:08.52 | Fisker | "paying like $10 for a copy of WoW is too much, i better buy it on ebay and complain when it turns out when the guy already used the key" |
| 15:09.05 | zenzelezz | say what? I've been running around Ironforge for five years, why does it think I haven't been here? |
| 15:09.54 | Coren{de} | maybe they added a shiny new sign and you discovered the new sign... |
| 15:10.13 | TMc51 | zenzelezz: I got the same surprise myself earlier when i walked into Org. |
| 15:10.48 | Fisker | Blizzard hates me |
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| 15:11.48 | TMc51 | Fisker: I thought they hated everybody. |
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| 15:14.37 | Ackis | bye Fisker |
| 15:14.40 | zenzelezz | I feel naked without my defense stat :( |
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| 15:16.53 | amro | I feel naked without my clothes on |
| 15:17.15 | zenzelezz | yeah, but when did you ever play with clothes on? |
| 15:20.17 | Adys | I never played with others without my clothes on |
| 15:20.22 | Adys | I often play with myself though |
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| 15:20.38 | zenzelezz | oh, so it's only I that raid in the nude? |
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| 15:22.51 | Coren{de} | it's rarely warm enough to play in the nude (warm enough *starts* around 30°C) |
| 15:25.08 | nevcairiel | so get the radiator going |
| 15:25.16 | Computerpunk | Hai guise. ;o |
| 15:25.57 | Coren{de} | radiator is more expensive than putting clothes on :p |
| 15:26.37 | zenzelezz | just touch yourself occasionally, you'll generate heat |
| 15:27.04 | Coren{de} | not enough, I have a very lazy metabolism ;) |
| 15:29.58 | Coren{de} | every progress bar for a process that takes longer than a minute should by law the required to a) display a sensible estimate for completion and b) show enough digits so there's an increment at least thrice a minute :D (patcher @37%) |
| 15:30.32 | amro | that's not always possible or worthwhile |
| 15:30.44 | amro | also, im at 74% so I win |
| 15:30.49 | Computerpunk | I'm at 76%. |
| 15:30.51 | Computerpunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.54 | Adys | I'm done |
| 15:31.02 | Adys | guess you all lose. |
| 15:31.12 | amro | go play with your 1.x patches |
| 15:31.16 | Adys | I am |
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| 15:31.32 | zenzelezz | you guys didn't start the downloader before you went to work? |
| 15:31.34 | Coren{de} | well, they could just implement a sensible logic for it once, they had now 5? years time to do it right, but the downloader estimates are still worse than a 4-y/o would program them |
| 15:31.56 | Computerpunk | Coren{de}, there's no estimation done. |
| 15:31.57 | Computerpunk | imo |
| 15:32.04 | Computerpunk | Oh. |
| 15:32.07 | amro | zenzelezz: I woke up at midday |
| 15:32.07 | Computerpunk | You're at the download part? |
| 15:32.12 | Computerpunk | I'm at installing on 76%. |
| 15:32.13 | Computerpunk | xD |
| 15:32.14 | Coren{de} | no, I'm patching |
| 15:34.01 | Coren{de} | either way, it's really not at all hard to scale the time from start of patching to current % up to 100% and display that as estimated finish time |
| 15:34.25 | Computerpunk | Look at Windows' estimation. |
| 15:34.26 | Computerpunk | *cough* |
| 15:35.03 | zenzelezz | the thing is, they could attempt good estimates, but it would take more time and power |
| 15:35.04 | Coren{de} | didn't test the streaming patcher last time, did anyone notice if they still consider a partial download into the calculation for the average data transfer speed? |
| 15:35.10 | zenzelezz | decent is good enough for an estimate |
| 15:36.05 | bryno | hello. everyone enjoying the new patch? |
| 15:36.17 | Coren{de} | they didn't make a decent estimate yet as far as I saw |
| 15:36.20 | zenzelezz | not everyone, I think |
| 15:36.48 | bryno | ty to those here that made their addons updated for 4.0.1 too |
| 15:37.00 | Computerpunk | need to update UnderHood to 4.0.1. |
| 15:37.02 | Computerpunk | Grrr. |
| 15:38.03 | Computerpunk | Anyone know what UnitCastingInfo() returns in 4.0.1? |
| 15:38.12 | Computerpunk | nvm, I'll check Quartz. |
| 15:38.34 | Ackis | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/usefull-addons/ useful :( |
| 15:38.41 | Coren{de} | Iriel had a post in the Cata forum about the most interesting/breaking changes |
| 15:39.10 | Computerpunk | oh, they didn't change it. |
| 15:40.06 | bryno | Ackis :D |
| 15:40.07 | boshi_dev | how do i create a button frame so that is shows proc hilights (ala Arcane Missles) ? |
| 15:40.14 | Coren{de} | GetSpellName() was changed in name, if you use that... |
| 15:40.17 | Computerpunk | Ackis, where? |
| 15:40.19 | Computerpunk | oh |
| 15:40.21 | Computerpunk | hai Ackis. |
| 15:40.34 | Computerpunk | local spell, rank, displayName, icon, startTime, endTime = UnitCastingInfo( unit ) |
| 15:40.42 | Ackis | Computerpunk: I deleted it from CurseForge |
| 15:40.50 | Computerpunk | wryyyyyyyyyy |
| 15:41.34 | foxlit | The new launcher has a brainfreeze when you hit the play button? |
| 15:42.48 | Coren{de} | what do you mean with brainfreeze? |
| 15:46.38 | Shirik | Cide |
| 15:46.41 | Shirik | is this evil python? |
| 15:46.56 | Shirik | queue.extend([sub for sub in branch if type(sub) == Tree]) |
| 15:47.04 | Cide | no |
| 15:47.09 | Ackis | bye Fisker :( |
| 15:47.12 | Shirik | it seems redundant |
| 15:47.22 | Cide | oh |
| 15:47.29 | Cide | it is kinda evil because you shouldn't need type(sub) == Tree |
| 15:47.36 | Shirik | yeah um |
| 15:47.40 | Ackis | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/13/microsoft-announces-windows-phone-7-sync-software-for-macs-due-t/ |
| 15:47.41 | Shirik | I can't find a better way to do that unfortunately |
| 15:47.46 | Cide | do what? |
| 15:47.56 | Shirik | The toolkit gives me this "Tree" object back |
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| 15:48.05 | Shirik | a tree object has like var[0] var[1] var[2] as branches |
| 15:48.11 | Shirik | and they might be trees themselves |
| 15:48.15 | Shirik | or they might be strings (the leaves) |
| 15:48.28 | Cide | ah, so indexing always works |
| 15:48.45 | Cide | hm |
| 15:48.54 | Cide | I guess it's fine then |
| 15:49.06 | Cide | you could also do |
| 15:49.07 | Cide | queue += [sub for sub in branch if type(sub) == Tree] |
| 15:49.42 | Cide | or replace the list comprehension by filter(isTree, branch) if you have an isTree function around already (otherwise it's not much better) |
| 15:50.03 | amro | the comprehension is better |
| 15:50.05 | Cide | can't see a better way to do it otherwise |
| 15:50.09 | amro | its fine |
| 15:50.30 | Shirik | I have to admit list comprehensions are kinda cool |
| 15:50.33 | Shirik | now that I comprehend them |
| 15:50.34 | Shirik | ~rimshot |
| 15:50.34 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 15:51.23 | Cide | indeed |
| 15:51.41 | alestane | At least to me, generator expressions are like half the point of Python. |
| 15:51.54 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:51.57 | Shirik | I have a microsoft guy sitting next to me going "Yeah but it's no LINQ!" |
| 15:52.08 | nicoli_s | i like linq |
| 15:52.13 | Kaso| | http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac65/biggestmexi2/Chilean_gone_wrong.jpg |
| 15:52.13 | nicoli_s | i was doubtful at first |
| 15:52.20 | Shirik | linq is <3 |
| 15:52.24 | batrick | =( |
| 15:52.29 | Cide | haha |
| 15:52.34 | nicoli_s | i just wish the join wasnt awkward to do |
| 15:52.38 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 15:52.53 | Cide | I got scared as hell when I played minecraft last night |
| 15:52.55 | nicoli_s | i can write sql to join much easier than using linq's join |
| 15:53.00 | Cide | I was in a cave and it was all lit up |
| 15:53.05 | Cide | but there was a hole in the ceiling that was HUGE |
| 15:53.10 | Shirik | and then you hear a fssss |
| 15:53.12 | Cide | and there was a ton of mobs above |
| 15:53.14 | Coren{de} | a black hole? |
| 15:53.16 | Cide | and a spider dropped down in front of me |
| 15:53.18 | Shirik | hahaha |
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| 15:53.25 | Cide | and it happened like 5 times |
| 15:53.28 | JaneLame | Are the servers back, please? |
| 15:53.30 | Cide | scared the shit out of me every time |
| 15:53.34 | JaneLame | In EU I mean. |
| 15:53.50 | zenzelezz | I'm intrigued they haven't added "Cataclysm release" to the in-game calendar |
| 15:53.54 | nevcairiel | have been for a while |
| 15:54.05 | JaneLame | Great. And I'm stuck at work, spew! |
| 15:54.10 | Shirik | http://www.diygamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/MinecraftCreeper.png |
| 15:55.09 | Coren{de} | Shirik, is there a way to tell Minion to go for another config directory? I'd like to use it on PTR and Beta also, but using the same config dir feels ugly |
| 15:55.40 | Shirik | not right now |
| 15:55.46 | nicoli_s | Shirik:thats awesome\ |
| 15:55.52 | nicoli_s | i feel like i need to try minecraft |
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| 15:56.09 | clever | Shirik: i gave the game a try, the keyboard dont work! :P |
| 15:56.51 | mikma | damnit, i need to find a good build for rogue :P |
| 15:57.14 | Cide | skeletons are worse though |
| 15:57.21 | Cide | creepers are manageable |
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| 15:58.52 | Fisker | boller Cide |
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| 16:00.07 | Shirik | (11:59:26) (@Shirik) just make an underwater door into your house |
| 16:00.07 | Shirik | (11:59:35) * Disconnected |
| 16:00.42 | Cide | that's a funny idea |
| 16:00.50 | Shirik | that's how my house is |
| 16:01.03 | Shirik | I actually have trouble finding my house so I had to put a bunch of torches on top of it |
| 16:01.13 | Shirik | because the majority of it is underwater |
| 16:01.17 | Cide | lol |
| 16:01.20 | Cide | that's a great idea |
| 16:01.33 | Cide | I made my roof out of glass so I could spot the creepers that love to be on top of it |
| 16:01.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:01.42 | Coren{de} | time to add shark mobs... and piranhas... |
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| 16:01.48 | Shirik | my roof is out of dirt |
| 16:01.52 | Shirik | so I can grow stuff on it |
| 16:02.03 | Cide | I just kill shit |
| 16:02.09 | Cide | I have both records but no diamond to make a jukebox |
| 16:04.30 | Cide | it makes me http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28010/A.JPG |
| 16:04.43 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 16:04.45 | Fisker | where's my holy power? |
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| 16:05.14 | Napoleone | cide whats the function? |
| 16:05.26 | Cide | it's obviously not a function |
| 16:05.32 | Cide | there are two circles |
| 16:05.41 | Cide | and at some points 4 values for the same x-coordinate! |
| 16:05.45 | Napoleone | or.... 2 halfcircles |
| 16:05.50 | Napoleone | *2 |
| 16:05.59 | Cide | that would make it more than one function |
| 16:06.07 | Cide | but it's a series of bezier curves actually |
| 16:06.14 | Shirik | Changed in version 2.4: Assignments to None are illegal and raise a SyntaxError. |
| 16:06.18 | Shirik | Was this legal before? o.o |
| 16:06.33 | Cide | I guess it didn't do as you might think |
| 16:06.38 | Cide | but I guess the syntax allowed it |
| 16:06.51 | Napoleone | functions then.. all 6 or 7 depending on if you want 2 outer lines |
| 16:06.52 | Cide | i.e. None = foo() was equivalent to foo() if I were to guess |
| 16:07.49 | Cide | outline is a bezier curve from (1,0) to (0, 0.5) with control points at (1.0, 0.73) and (0.12, 0.88) |
| 16:08.25 | Cide | matlab plots only require a series of (x,y) pairs so the circles aren't functions in its true sense |
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| 16:08.44 | Cide | the mouth is a bezier curve from (0.3, 0.15) to (0.65, 0.45) with cp's at (0.3, 0.3) and (0.55, 0.5) |
| 16:08.46 | Cide | there you go! |
| 16:09.23 | Napoleone | anywhere the changes for modding can be found... |
| 16:11.03 | Cide | here... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28010/B.JPG |
| 16:11.14 | Napoleone | hehe better ;P |
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| 16:11.35 | jnwhiteh | this is a dumb question, but is there a slash command to run a macro by name or index? |
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| 16:12.41 | alestane | Not that I know of...that's why "chain macros" have always relied on putting the second macro on a button and using /click. |
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| 16:15.47 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:15.53 | sylvanaar_work | you might try using the script command to run the api that executes the macro by index |
| 16:16.16 | Kaso| | surely that'll be protected |
| 16:16.23 | sylvanaar_work | probably |
| 16:16.58 | Kaso| | you can /clickaddon made secure action buttons too, so you could write an addon that help you out there, making a button for every macro you have |
| 16:17.19 | Cairenn|afk | waves as she passes through, then disappears again |
| 16:17.40 | Fisker | trips Cairenn|afk |
| 16:18.52 | sylvanaar_work | i guess if you are going to run a macro you'd just run it |
| 16:23.19 | Napoleone | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141522 |
| 16:23.53 | Napoleone | a note.. it worked fine before the patch ;) |
| 16:24.18 | zenzelezz | http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/photos/5.png |
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| 16:25.05 | Napoleone | zenzelezz nice one ;P |
| 16:25.57 | sylvanaar_work | um, i just got the wierdest ticket |
| 16:26.12 | sylvanaar_work | Shirik: ping |
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| 16:27.48 | Xinhuan | /print UIDROPDOWNMENU_OPEN_MENU:GetName() -----> [00:27:01] CompactRaidFrameManagerDisplayFrameLeaderOptionsRaidWorldMarkerButtonDropDown |
| 16:27.50 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 16:27.55 | Xinhuan | blizzard's naming is like awesome |
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| 16:28.11 | sylvanaar_work | lololol |
| 16:28.21 | Napoleone | LOL |
| 16:28.54 | dafire | sounds a bit like function names in ios sdk .) |
| 16:29.10 | sylvanaar_work | heh |
| 16:29.47 | Shirik | sylvanaar_work: pong |
| 16:29.47 | Napoleone | well its uniqe ;P |
| 16:33.13 | mitchnull | lol |
| 16:37.12 | Coren{de} | the new default "custom" of dropdowns is fun :> shows how many menus fail to properly set an intial value... |
| 16:37.28 | Napoleone | lol |
| 16:37.32 | Napoleone | made 40 new glyphs ;P |
| 16:37.41 | JaneLame | They sell well now, I bet. |
| 16:37.48 | Legorol | Can someone explain to me why are there over 5 Gb of sound cache data? |
| 16:38.01 | Legorol | Is the majority/all of sound data purely cached now? |
| 16:38.11 | nevcairiel | the new system is just weird |
| 16:38.21 | Legorol | nevcairiel: that much I gathered |
| 16:38.22 | nevcairiel | it doesnt patch the blobs anymore, instead it caches them |
| 16:38.29 | Legorol | yah I know that |
| 16:38.30 | nevcairiel | on the fly |
| 16:38.50 | JaneLame | I always hear about how lucrative the glyph biz is, but I never manage to make a buck out of it. |
| 16:39.06 | Legorol | but where is it magicking 5 Gb of sound data from, considering that Data\sound.MPQ is only 1.5 Gb and Data\<locale>\speech is only 200 Mb or so |
| 16:39.21 | Napoleone | converted to raw format? |
| 16:39.27 | Legorol | maybe |
| 16:39.46 | Legorol | but it seems to me that there is a bounch of sound data that is downloaded directly into Data\Cache, instead of downloaded as an update/diff |
| 16:40.06 | Coren{de} | they also moved the avi files, it's not just sound data =) |
| 16:41.32 | Lunessa | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/paradise_city.png - the grass, he's obviously been smoking it. |
| 16:42.11 | durcyn | randall munroe has always been a creepy weirdo, did you not see the megan cartoons where he basically stalked his sister in law? |
| 16:43.46 | Lunessa | Naturally. |
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| 16:45.11 | alestane | Reminiscent of the "I once shot a man in reno" strip. |
| 16:45.35 | jnwhiteh | ooh sneaky change |
| 16:45.39 | jnwhiteh | UNIT_RAGE removed, and friends |
| 16:46.10 | jnwhiteh | that may bite some people |
| 16:46.28 | Pneumatus | yeh, all replaced with UNIT_POWER arent they? |
| 16:46.35 | jnwhiteh | also getglobal/setglobal are back? |
| 16:46.40 | Napoleone | gave up on Unitframes now they changed and added this rescourcebar lol |
| 16:46.40 | jnwhiteh | and the Path animation type has been removed? |
| 16:46.46 | Pneumatus | they are implemented in lua now i think, jnwhiteh |
| 16:46.56 | jnwhiteh | Pneumatus: they should have left them long gone =) |
| 16:46.59 | Pneumatus | they just got removed as C implementations as i understand |
| 16:47.14 | Napoleone | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/141522 <-- any help please |
| 16:47.20 | jnwhiteh | 3.3.5 -> 4..0.1 API diff: http://apidiff.pastey.net/141526 |
| 16:47.22 | NeoTron | Shadowed unit frames is missing a display for the new soul shards |
| 16:47.49 | Coren{de} | wahwah, wine needs to suppose SM3 :| |
| 16:48.34 | Computerpunk | hmm |
| 16:49.53 | Coren{de} | support* even... what's making shader model 3 so much different? :| |
| 16:50.13 | Lunessa | Corrodias: ShadowedUnitFrames is not being updated for 4.0 |
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| 16:50.25 | Lunessa | Er, Coren{de} |
| 16:50.30 | jnwhiteh | WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH A LONG NAME? |
| 16:50.30 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ArchaeologyDigSiteFrame |
| 16:50.37 | Lunessa | Stupid me for not checking tab-complete. |
| 16:50.48 | Shadowed | hahaha clad |
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| 16:52.05 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 16:52.06 | Flowy | can I simulate a event? |
| 16:52.12 | Fisker | where's my holy power bar? |
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| 16:52.21 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: no. |
| 16:52.24 | jnwhiteh | nor should you want to |
| 16:52.30 | jnwhiteh | its bad bad business |
| 16:53.27 | Napoleone | Fisker if you cant see any then i guess ou are doing something wrong ;) |
| 16:53.30 | Flowy | I have hooked event ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL", filter) ... want to show my msg instead this and later show the original |
| 16:53.31 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 16:53.40 | Napoleone | i have druid solarbar + holybar+shadows thing |
| 16:53.44 | Fisker | Napoleone no |
| 16:53.54 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: that's not an event |
| 16:53.58 | jnwhiteh | that's a message event filter |
| 16:54.06 | jnwhiteh | and you could call the event handler |
| 16:54.13 | jnwhiteh | but why not just .. send a message on a chat channel? |
| 16:54.23 | jnwhiteh | you should not invoke the event yourself, it's just a bad idea |
| 16:54.25 | Flowy | its not compatible with another addons |
| 16:54.39 | jnwhiteh | perhaps you shoudl explain what you are doing |
| 16:54.41 | jnwhiteh | not how you want to do it. |
| 16:55.16 | Flowy | its "autoignore" |
| 16:55.44 | Flowy | it ignores player msg (showing another) while I allow him |
| 16:56.02 | Coren{de} | that is likely running into problems due to Blizzard's single tiered implementation of filters |
| 16:57.16 | Flowy | where to read about changes in lua in new patch? |
| 16:57.31 | Coren{de} | more specific: you can add a filter function, but your filter function is neither the first nor the last to be called, but at any random position around other filter functions, they might change the arguments around *your* filter sees, so... good luck :D |
| 16:58.14 | Napoleone | my problem doesnt make sense.... |
| 16:58.21 | Napoleone | Message: Interface\AddOns\PPUI\chatframe.lua:119: Usage: gc_new_f:SetInsertMode("TOP" or "BOTTOM") |
| 16:58.37 | Napoleone | and the usage is..... gc_new_f:SetInsertMode("BOTTOM"); |
| 16:59.10 | Coren{de} | Napoleone, I'd assume that the hint the function gives you is inconsistent with its checks for its parameters :) |
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| 17:01.25 | Napoleone | according to jnwhiteh analyzescript this function didnt change. and this code worked less than 12 hours ago ;P |
| 17:01.36 | jnwhiteh | I didn't say it didn't change |
| 17:01.42 | jnwhiteh | that just says it did not disappear |
| 17:01.46 | jnwhiteh | its an API list, not a changelist. |
| 17:01.54 | Napoleone | the pastey with your analyzescript |
| 17:02.00 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 17:02.02 | jnwhiteh | that is an api LIST |
| 17:02.11 | jnwhiteh | and what changed |
| 17:02.17 | jnwhiteh | i.e. this function was added, this function was deleted |
| 17:02.22 | jnwhiteh | says nothing about if the functions were changed |
| 17:02.25 | jnwhiteh | not that I think that's your issue |
| 17:02.26 | Napoleone | oh |
| 17:02.26 | jnwhiteh | it could be a bug |
| 17:02.33 | jnwhiteh | tak eit out of the addon and test it in isolation |
| 17:02.34 | ckknight | the internals are likely done in C, which we don't have access to |
| 17:03.00 | Napoleone | well it is in isolation ;) |
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| 17:04.28 | Coren{de} | hook it and test what other functions are feeding into it? =) |
| 17:04.47 | Flowy | Coren{de} its not essential where my filter is ... it would stop showing of msg or allow him on every position without effect |
| 17:05.31 | Flowy | but if it stops the message I want to post it later and allow other addons to make filter on it |
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| 17:06.48 | Coren{de} | Flowy, if another filter is called before yours, and it rewrites arg1 (the sender) into ("X" .. arg1 .. "X"), you won't see that you'd like to ignore that message |
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| 17:08.27 | zenzelezz | ... legendary? http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14870318687&sid=1 |
| 17:09.18 | Coren{de} | poor guy... and 12..45? WTF? |
| 17:09.46 | foxlit | Um, question |
| 17:10.01 | foxlit | GetSpellInfo("Frost Trap") == nil -- while on a hunter with Ice Trap in spellbook |
| 17:10.03 | foxlit | why? |
| 17:10.32 | jnwhiteh | there are a few spells that are incorrectly flagged |
| 17:10.33 | jnwhiteh | it may be one of them |
| 17:10.39 | jnwhiteh | Lifebloo was one, but it got fixed |
| 17:10.42 | jnwhiteh | aimed shot is another |
| 17:10.44 | jnwhiteh | it appears to be broken |
| 17:10.52 | jnwhiteh | you cannot cast it via macro or attributes |
| 17:11.18 | alestane | How about via an spellID attribute? |
| 17:11.36 | Computerpunk | So, all the UNIT_<POWER_TYPE> got removed and it's now UNIT_POWER? |
| 17:11.42 | jnwhiteh | that should work |
| 17:11.44 | foxlit | the spellid who? |
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| 17:12.33 | Lunessa | Spells which have two versions and the same name are a bit nutty. |
| 17:12.58 | alestane | I added support for numerical "spell' attributes in 4.0, foxlit. |
| 17:13.16 | Coren{de} | well, "Lifebloom (Tree of Life version)" was just too long a name ;) |
| 17:13.18 | foxlit | Are we talking spell IDs or spell book indices? |
| 17:13.26 | alestane | spell IDs. |
| 17:13.33 | foxlit | Hah, neat. |
| 17:13.43 | alestane | The spell book index as an identifier seems to be getting deprecated. |
| 17:14.18 | Shirik | I think I just confused the hell out of intellisense |
| 17:14.53 | Shirik | "just" is a poor word, but: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8ac3d60204d97c0c20d76c1b73cfd987.png |
| 17:15.02 | Shirik | VS is happy |
| 17:15.04 | Coren{de} | gah, they copied the old version of Skull Bash over, can't macro it per stance properly :( |
| 17:15.31 | mitchnull | ? |
| 17:15.57 | Coren{de} | oh, wrong, user error :) |
| 17:16.41 | Coren{de} | or rather, display issue, both Skull Bashes are called Skull Bash, but one can add the form in brackets anyways :) |
| 17:21.44 | Shirik | omg so epic |
| 17:21.54 | Shirik | I've been wanting to replace the hibernate screen on a computer |
| 17:21.56 | Computerpunk | what's the alternative to GetSpellName now? |
| 17:21.58 | Shirik | the little progress bar on windows |
| 17:22.04 | Shirik | Computerpunk: GetSpellInfo |
| 17:22.29 | Shirik | So anyway, the solution to replacing the hibernate screen: Open the kernel executable in VS and you can edit the resources directly |
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| 17:25.15 | amro | Shirik: modularity and all. |
| 17:25.20 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: welcome to 2001 or so |
| 17:25.23 | Shirik | fu! |
| 17:25.36 | Shirik | anyway |
| 17:25.37 | Shirik | happy happy |
| 17:25.58 | Coren{de} | CP: GetSpellBookItemName |
| 17:26.08 | jnwhiteh | lua_bot: reload> |
| 17:26.09 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '=' expected near '>' |
| 17:26.23 | jnwhiteh | API scans reloaded. |
| 17:26.31 | Shirik | o.o |
| 17:26.33 | Shirik | is jnwhiteh a bot now? |
| 17:26.38 | jnwhiteh | word. |
| 17:26.41 | Shirik | jnwhiteh> while true do end |
| 17:27.28 | Computerpunk | Shirik, thanks. |
| 17:28.33 | Coren{de} | "Blood in the water" seems so... boring, given how weak FB is in the beta :| I must be missing something very obvious |
| 17:29.24 | Adys | can anyone confirm scrolling through the statistics frame lags out? |
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| 17:30.49 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 17:30.50 | Computerpunk | thanks Coren{de}. |
| 17:30.53 | Computerpunk | That's what I needed. |
| 17:31.10 | Computerpunk | Such a pain to go through auras now. |
| 17:31.29 | jnwhiteh | Computerpunk: how so? |
| 17:31.37 | Shirik | hello batrick |
| 17:32.20 | batrick | how goes your wiki stewardsihp |
| 17:32.20 | Dagmar | The mean old game makes you have to click things now |
| 17:33.02 | Computerpunk | jnwhiteh, UnderHood has hackfixed selfBuffs, friend(de)Buffs, enemy(de)Buffs |
| 17:33.18 | jnwhiteh | Computerpunk: something change in the API? |
| 17:33.24 | jnwhiteh | I just had a reader ask about it, that's why I ask |
| 17:33.47 | Computerpunk | Well, for me it was GetSpellName until now. |
| 17:34.15 | Shirik | >>> print "Hello world" |
| 17:34.19 | Shirik | :( Cide |
| 17:34.29 | Dagmar | I'm assuming it'll be back up in an hour or two... I was going to put some more graphics up there later tonight |
| 17:34.31 | jnwhiteh | oh does it return ids instead now? |
| 17:34.34 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 17:34.35 | dafire | hmm.. any idea why wow would refuse to parse an xml file ? .9 |
| 17:34.46 | Computerpunk | Nope. |
| 17:34.49 | Dagmar | dafire: bad XML |
| 17:34.52 | Computerpunk | GetSpellName is renamed to GetSpellBookItemName |
| 17:34.57 | Computerpunk | Same functionality. |
| 17:35.00 | Computerpunk | Different naming. |
| 17:35.07 | Computerpunk | Cause things such as Tracking auras are not listed anymore. |
| 17:35.25 | Dagmar | They took away my Aspect of the Dragonhawk! |
| 17:35.27 | Computerpunk | Yep. |
| 17:35.28 | Dagmar | AMG |
| 17:35.29 | dafire | i think it is fine .) |
| 17:35.32 | Computerpunk | Aspect of the Monkey and Viper |
| 17:35.33 | Computerpunk | alltogether |
| 17:35.52 | Computerpunk | Yeah. |
| 17:35.53 | Computerpunk | Sucks. |
| 17:35.53 | Computerpunk | I know. |
| 17:35.54 | Computerpunk | -_- |
| 17:36.02 | Dagmar | I didn't even get around to a test dummy last night, I just barely managed to respec my DK and my 'lock |
| 17:36.26 | Dagmar | I feel like some kind of pervert SV wearing agility gems |
| 17:37.03 | Computerpunk | so shitty |
| 17:37.04 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 17:37.07 | Computerpunk | I gotta test each class. |
| 17:37.08 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 17:37.09 | Coren{de} | I thought with the switch to focus instead of mana, Viper is dead? |
| 17:37.22 | Dagmar | It is |
| 17:37.44 | Dagmar | Losing Aspect of the Dragonhawk feels like being punted back to level 60 tho |
| 17:37.59 | Dagmar | ...since at 70 you got handed Dragonhawk and told to use it instead of Hawk. |
| 17:38.09 | nevcairiel | How do you set frame scale in xml? |
| 17:38.14 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, imagine gold lost for it. |
| 17:38.18 | Computerpunk | Coren{de}, no. |
| 17:38.20 | Computerpunk | In early beta. |
| 17:38.22 | Computerpunk | Viper gave focus. |
| 17:38.28 | Dagmar | Computerpunk: Gold lost? |
| 17:38.38 | Computerpunk | Dagmar, you spent gold on Dragonhawk aspect. |
| 17:38.39 | Computerpunk | Q_Q |
| 17:38.59 | Dagmar | I mean, I did just have to go and pay for a pile of new skills, but I also got a bunch of crap badges turned into gold in the mailbox, so I'm ahead for the week without even touching the auction house |
| 17:39.04 | Dagmar | Up by almost 1,000g actually |
| 17:39.07 | Dagmar | heh |
| 17:39.13 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 17:39.15 | Computerpunk | AH is best now. |
| 17:39.18 | Computerpunk | since people level up professions. |
| 17:39.40 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: you had to pay for new skills? What class? |
| 17:39.46 | Dagmar | AH was always the best way to make money |
| 17:39.52 | Napoleone | lol wintergrasp commendations are 17g each. |
| 17:39.53 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: DK, Warlock, and Hunter |
| 17:40.02 | Napoleone | and gems fell in price |
| 17:40.12 | zenzelezz | my warrior was very cheap to "fix" |
| 17:40.32 | Dagmar | Yeah it's not like it was a bunch of money. I think they had to pay like 17g for Mastery and the rest didn't even add up to that |
| 17:41.15 | Dagmar | The badge to points conversion went even better than I thought... I have almost 1400 justice points on my hunter. Enough to buy a pair of T10 items |
| 17:41.28 | Napoleone | i have full t10 ;P thanks to that |
| 17:41.47 | Dagmar | This will put me at full T10, or as close as I could possibly need to be on that toon |
| 17:42.13 | Dagmar | I gotta clean out some bags, I've been carryin' around everything that toon has gotten that was >= 213 |
| 17:42.17 | Napoleone | anyone have shift+click working? |
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| 17:42.26 | Dagmar | ...JUST IN CASE something became super useful after the change |
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| 17:46.26 | Computerpunk | ckknight, you there? |
| 17:46.43 | ckknight | I have never left you, child |
| 17:46.46 | Computerpunk | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdogtag-unit-3-0/tickets/20-fixup-for-cataclysm/ |
| 17:46.54 | Computerpunk | I NEEDZ IT! |
| 17:47.06 | ckknight | okay, submit a patch? |
| 17:47.14 | ckknight | well |
| 17:47.18 | ckknight | I have no time right now |
| 17:47.19 | ckknight | at work |
| 17:47.20 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 17:47.21 | ckknight | very busy |
| 17:47.24 | Computerpunk | k |
| 17:47.26 | Computerpunk | I'ma give you patch. |
| 17:47.28 | Arrowmaster | Computerpunk: get Shefki to do it |
| 17:47.35 | Computerpunk | Shefki, DO EET |
| 17:47.44 | Computerpunk | It's just deleting code. |
| 17:47.44 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 17:51.00 | Shefki | Computerpunk: I'm at work too, can't do it right now. |
| 17:51.00 | Computerpunk | Shefki, ? :( |
| 17:51.03 | Computerpunk | awww. |
| 17:51.03 | Computerpunk | Dayum. |
| 17:51.14 | Computerpunk | Would it help if I'd get you a patch diff/ |
| 17:51.15 | Shefki | You're lucky I even logged on IRC just now. |
| 17:51.33 | Shefki | Couldn't hurt. |
| 17:52.21 | Shefki | Just removing the line isn't exactly the right fix. |
| 17:52.43 | Shefki | If you want an example of the proper fix look at what I did in the ScriptEnv.lua for LuaTexts in PitBull4. |
| 17:52.52 | Vangual | DI has been made optional in the last libdogtagunit package already |
| 17:52.53 | Computerpunk | Shefki, hmm. |
| 17:53.01 | Computerpunk | Yeah. |
| 17:53.05 | Shefki | And I could have sworn that was already fixed. |
| 17:53.06 | Computerpunk | But it's not committed. |
| 17:53.09 | Computerpunk | As a tag. |
| 17:53.21 | Shefki | But China et al don't have 4.0.x yet. |
| 17:53.26 | Shefki | So they still have DI. |
| 17:53.30 | Computerpunk | Oh, true. |
| 17:53.31 | Shefki | So you can't just rip it out. |
| 17:53.31 | Computerpunk | I see. |
| 17:53.35 | Vangual | it's got detection code in the last commit |
| 17:53.35 | Computerpunk | Yeah. |
| 17:53.43 | Computerpunk | local wow_400 = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 40000 |
| 17:53.46 | Computerpunk | Saw it. |
| 17:53.46 | Shefki | Was the commit after the tag? |
| 17:53.46 | Computerpunk | Ty. |
| 17:54.05 | Computerpunk | It seems it's tagged for 40000. |
| 17:54.07 | Shefki | Just make wherever uses DIVINE_INTERVENTION check to see if it's set. |
| 17:54.08 | Computerpunk | But my UnderHood didn't get updated lib. |
| 17:54.30 | Shefki | It's possible that UnderHookd is pointing at a specific tag. |
| 17:54.38 | Shefki | In which case you need to complain to that author. |
| 17:54.44 | Computerpunk | Nah, I get this when loading LibDogTag. |
| 17:54.54 | Computerpunk | Lemme check then. |
| 17:54.54 | Computerpunk | lol |
| 17:54.59 | Computerpunk | I'm the new author of it. |
| 17:55.00 | Vangual | the releasetag has the fix |
| 17:55.01 | Computerpunk | That's why I'm asking. |
| 17:55.12 | Computerpunk | libs/LibDogTag-Unit-3.0: svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/libdogtag-unit-3-0/mainline/trunk |
| 17:55.12 | Computerpunk | Nope. |
| 17:55.24 | Computerpunk | Not specific version. |
| 17:55.48 | Shefki | Post the error you're getting and I'll add it to the pile of thigns I need to look at tonight. |
| 17:56.03 | Shefki | Incidentally, at this point DogTags is pretty low on my priority list. |
| 17:56.11 | Computerpunk | Shefki, I'll try doing update. |
| 17:56.16 | Computerpunk | On my version. |
| 17:56.17 | Computerpunk | Don't worry. |
| 17:56.21 | Computerpunk | I've seen it on the repo. |
| 17:56.29 | Computerpunk | So, it should be fine on new tag of UH. |
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| 17:58.22 | Computerpunk | Thanks for your answers. |
| 17:58.33 | Napoleone | SocialsMicroButton whats the new name? my buttons are bugged.. somewhere in my ode so they wont show up on framestack |
| 17:59.34 | Shefki | goes back to work, stealing too much time from them today as is. |
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| 18:03.37 | cbreak | the new patcher seems to be slow as molasse |
| 18:03.56 | Dagmar | The bit where it's installing all the files on that boring grey dialog box? |
| 18:04.05 | Lopeppeppy | Forever! |
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| 18:04.16 | Dagmar | Yeah it's faster than FFXIV, but not by a whole lot |
| 18:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | It's a psy-ko-logikal exper-i-ment! |
| 18:04.19 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 18:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. |
| 18:04.33 | Dagmar | Who'd have suspected that decompressing and recompressing ~5gb could take a while |
| 18:04.38 | Lopeppeppy | hides under Shirik's desk. It's been a day. |
| 18:04.38 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 18:04.49 | Hoolio | is this a good place to have help on a WoW addon that isnt working? |
| 18:05.03 | Dagmar | Hoolio: If you wrote it, sure |
| 18:05.30 | Hoolio | I am trying to get Clique to work, I have updated it and when I try binding a spell nothing happens |
| 18:05.44 | Hoolio | And most of the Clique interface button just dont respond |
| 18:05.55 | cbreak | so, find out what happens with the events |
| 18:06.18 | Hoolio | and where do i check that? |
| 18:06.25 | cbreak | in the source code... |
| 18:06.29 | Dagmar | Did you bother to get the updated version for 4.0.1 |
| 18:06.36 | Hoolio | yes |
| 18:06.44 | Dagmar | How long ago? |
| 18:06.44 | Hoolio | i have the latest version |
| 18:06.49 | Hoolio | like 5 min ago |
| 18:06.56 | Hoolio | i disabled every other addons |
| 18:07.18 | Dagmar | Hm... Interesting |
| 18:07.37 | Seerah | Hoolio: did you delete the old version of Clique before updating? |
| 18:07.43 | Hoolio | no i didnt |
| 18:07.46 | Hoolio | ill try that ty |
| 18:07.56 | Lopeppeppy | I was using it on test without a problem, IIRC. Just out of curiosity, where did you get your download from? And as Seerah says, deleting the old one makes a big difference. :) |
| 18:08.00 | Seerah | (out of curiosity, does your Clique window look like the one in the new screenshots on the download page?) |
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| 18:08.55 | Hoolio | got it from curse |
| 18:09.17 | Hoolio | yeah the interface looks the same |
| 18:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | Should be reliable then, I'd start by guessing that either your old copy or your old saved variables are playing monkey-business. |
| 18:09.47 | Hoolio | still not working after deleting old folder |
| 18:10.02 | Seerah | delete the old saved variables |
| 18:10.34 | jnwhiteh | I am SO sick of people not givign me the fucking information I need to fix their issues. |
| 18:10.38 | jnwhiteh | I've been here all day doing it |
| 18:10.41 | jnwhiteh | and people are still being idiots. |
| 18:10.51 | Seerah | huggles jnwhiteh |
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| 18:11.24 | Cidan | foxlit: OPie, :( |
| 18:11.25 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: Easy solution to that. tell them outright "need more infoz" and leave it at that |
| 18:11.58 | zenzelezz | "expected info, got nil" |
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| 18:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs jnwhiteh. |
| 18:13.42 | jnwhiteh | I _WANT_ to help these people |
| 18:13.56 | Dagmar | Sometimes you can't help, man. |
| 18:14.02 | Dagmar | Sometimes, you just gotta let 'em die. |
| 18:14.09 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 18:14.11 | jnwhiteh | it's all of curse.com |
| 18:14.12 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 18:14.13 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 18:14.36 | Napoleone | bhah blizzard got owned |
| 18:14.41 | Seerah | natural selection? |
| 18:14.50 | Napoleone | Message: ...ns\Blizzard_AchievementUI\Blizzard_AchievementUI.lua:797: attempt to call global 'AchievementMicroButton_Update' (a nil value) |
| 18:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ball peen hammer influences genetic drift very handily. |
| 18:14.59 | Dagmar | Napoleone: What makes you say that |
| 18:16.38 | dafire | what's [Osseous Agitator] ? |
| 18:16.44 | Hoolio | ty everyone, my clique is now fix :) thx again Seerah! |
| 18:16.49 | Computerpunk | dayum |
| 18:16.51 | Computerpunk | hackfixes |
| 18:16.51 | Computerpunk | >_< |
| 18:17.11 | Dagmar | dafire: l2google |
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| 18:17.20 | dafire | :p |
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| 18:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah rocks! |
| 18:21.39 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.48 | Seerah | I told him to thank you, too, since you thought of it first |
| 18:21.57 | Fisker | what was that patch they just released? :O |
| 18:22.31 | foxlit | Cidan: minor tweaks |
| 18:22.53 | Lopeppeppy | You type faster! |
| 18:22.56 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [...]: [Glyph of Living Bomb] now in AH 75g . 60 gold glyph Chinese sellers |
| 18:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nimble gnomish fingertips. |
| 18:23.08 | zenzelezz | like people care, if it's cheaper, so much for the better |
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| 18:26.39 | Shirik | YES |
| 18:26.41 | Shirik | Adobe FTW! |
| 18:26.49 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/13/funny-pictures-gif-cat-teddy-bear/ |
| 18:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | oh yes? |
| 18:26.54 | Shirik | Unsupported Browser |
| 18:26.54 | Shirik | We are sorry, but your browser is not able to run Adobe Story |
| 18:26.58 | foxlit | Cidan: out of interest, the item slice bug? |
| 18:27.03 | Shirik | If you are feeling adventurous, you can use the link below |
| 18:27.04 | Shirik | to try Adobe Story in your unsupported browser. Please bookmark |
| 18:27.04 | Shirik | the link below to bypass this warning in the future |
| 18:27.22 | zenzelezz | multi-line paste :( |
| 18:27.25 | Shirik | That's how sites that restrict you SHOULD work. Give you a link to say "but if you really want to...." (preferably nobody should restrict you, but this is the lesser of two evils) |
| 18:28.35 | Shirik | sorry zenzelezz :( |
| 18:28.41 | Fisker | i farted Shirik |
| 18:28.43 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:28.54 | Cidan | foxlit: random things won't work, at random times, it's odd. |
| 18:29.01 | foxlit | oh? |
| 18:29.27 | Cidan | OneRingLib errors |
| 18:29.36 | Cidan | like the one posted http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html#comments |
| 18:29.39 | Cidan | there. |
| 18:30.14 | foxlit | That one is deterministic. |
| 18:30.31 | foxlit | Open anything that references an item, and you've got it |
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| 18:32.07 | foxlit | You can probably do |
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| 18:33.14 | foxlit | function GetItemCooldown(i) return GetItemCooldown(type(i) == "string" and tonumber(i:match("item:(%d+)")) or i); end |
| 18:33.21 | Fisker | So Dota 2, Portal 2, and Episode 3 |
| 18:33.26 | Fisker | ZOMG ORANGE BOX 2 |
| 18:33.32 | foxlit | but you'd have to fix that snippet first |
| 18:34.12 | nicoli_s | fisker:where does it say orange box 2? |
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| 18:35.15 | Fisker | nowhere nicoli_s |
| 18:35.23 | Cidan | foxlit: shall I patch my version then, or are you going to put up a fix? |
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| 18:35.45 | foxlit | It'll probably take me a day or two |
| 18:36.10 | foxlit | I'm pooling issues at the moment; don't really want to do multiple updates. |
| 18:36.16 | Cidan | Makes sense. |
| 18:36.41 | foxlit | Wonder when 4.0.2 is |
| 18:36.45 | zenzelezz | hm, warrior QQ on trade. Well, every class, but I only listen to warriors |
| 18:36.51 | foxlit | .1a? |
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| 18:41.23 | zenzelezz | why do people keep saying inspect is bugged, is there some known issue? |
| 18:42.23 | zenzelezz | "I agree, I can barely peddle my wares. The small crystal figurines I sell of hippos dressed up as humans partaking in everyday activities keep falling off the shelves and breaking. It's getting extremely expensive! I hope our leaders find the source. I hear a tablet found by the magnificent Brann Bronzebeard (he's so cool isn't he?) may actually be in Stormwind at this very minute (SQUEE), being pored over by the greatest minds o |
| 18:42.23 | zenzelezz | ur faction knows. Oh, and Varian is there too." |
| 18:42.31 | zenzelezz | I swear Bashiok is getting more awesome by the minute |
| 18:43.56 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Probably the idjits who never got the memo about throttling are deciding to blame GearScore not updating immeditely on a "bug" |
| 18:44.44 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: That's mean for him to say since ther'es no such tablet. I saw Archaeology in the skills pane and did a pretty thorough eyeballing of Stormwind and Ironforge both |
| 18:44.56 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:45.04 | zenzelezz | I just love how he dissed Varian |
| 18:45.35 | Computerpunk | Wait, we got Archaeology? |
| 18:45.45 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 18:46.01 | zenzelezz | but the Professions tab lists it |
| 18:46.18 | foxlit | "Knowing the extreme devotion he shows to his people, I'm sure similar meetings have been called by Thrall. |
| 18:46.18 | foxlit | I'm not as concerned with them though as they tend to not buy too many crystal hippos." |
| 18:46.51 | zenzelezz | hands Lopeppeppy a crystal hippo |
| 18:47.11 | foxlit | The stormwind event is awesome, btw. |
| 18:47.56 | Dagmar | Hmm... haven't seen it yet. |
| 18:48.14 | Coren{de} | Inspect has been buggy for me since the day it was introduced, it depends on multiple factors if it works at all |
| 18:48.23 | foxlit | It's not voiced, which is a pity, but otherwise some entertaining dialog. |
| 18:48.30 | foxlit | Plus every single faction leader is in that room |
| 18:49.04 | zenzelezz | Coren{de}: "the day it was introduced"? |
| 18:49.07 | zenzelezz | as in years ago? |
| 18:49.18 | Coren{de} | aye |
| 18:49.29 | zenzelezz | I don't recall ever having any issues with it |
| 18:49.49 | Coren{de} | you're playing with the US client I assume? |
| 18:50.11 | zenzelezz | nope, enGB |
| 18:50.26 | Coren{de} | I play with EU client with language pack |
| 18:51.00 | Coren{de} | depending on the patch, it works if the client and the server use the same language, or the opposite, or it doesn't affect it at all, or it works neither way |
| 18:51.40 | Coren{de} | when it was added, I had language on frFR, and played on frFR, deDE and gbGB servers, it only worked on frFR |
| 18:52.02 | Coren{de} | then a new bigger patch later, it worked on deDE and gbGB, but not on frFR :D |
| 18:52.26 | DWSR | lol @ getting offered a job at Starbucks while on lunch for my other job. |
| 18:52.56 | Computerpunk | ^lol |
| 18:53.22 | amro | how does that work? "hey, you look like you know your coffee... interested in a job?" |
| 18:53.29 | DWSR | Yeah, actually. |
| 18:53.33 | DWSR | I asked the barista to surprise me. |
| 18:53.38 | DWSR | And he was like "oh, btw, can has job?" |
| 18:53.41 | Coren{de} | Blizzard is just too stupid to understand (and implement) a proper cookie system for asynchronous calls :( (not only inspect, /who should get a cookie as well) |
| 18:54.16 | amro | however, they managed to make the most successful mmo on the market |
| 18:54.17 | amro | imagine that |
| 18:55.00 | Coren{de} | I imagine it and it really leads to mental breakdowns how they can be awesome in so many aspects and then suck at so trivial things |
| 18:55.27 | amro | well there's more than one guy at blizzard, they're not all at the same competence level. |
| 18:56.10 | DWSR | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 18:56.11 | DWSR | yes. |
| 18:57.04 | amro | no |
| 18:57.36 | DWSR | Torhal: |
| 18:58.24 | Torhal | DWSR: Foo? |
| 18:58.49 | DWSR | I found out that if you order something pre-order online, you can take the receipt to the Courtesy desk in your walmart and they'll refund your discount in cash |
| 18:58.54 | DWSR | (from walmart) |
| 18:59.02 | Torhal | DWSR: Damn it. |
| 18:59.08 | DWSR | Told you. |
| 18:59.09 | Torhal | Thanks, I'll use that for Cata |
| 18:59.11 | Computerpunk | rogue, shaman, warlock and warrior left |
| 18:59.12 | Computerpunk | go go go go |
| 18:59.18 | Computerpunk | stupid spell removing from dbcs. |
| 18:59.21 | DWSR | Now, too bad Walmart Canada isn't pre-ordering cata. |
| 18:59.25 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: if i order something online from walmart can i return it in the store? |
| 18:59.28 | Torhal | Unless I'm actually working for Curse by that time |
| 18:59.36 | Arrowmaster | stupid retailer exclusive preorders |
| 18:59.41 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Should be able to yes |
| 18:59.48 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Should do, yep. |
| 18:59.52 | Fisker | btw Shadowed |
| 18:59.58 | Arrowmaster | i might do that for fable 3 then |
| 19:00.01 | Fisker | why is it i lose my holy power bar and my buffs when i load SUF? |
| 19:00.06 | DWSR | Because SUF is broken. |
| 19:00.17 | DWSR | Or, more accurately, not entirely supporting 4.0.1 |
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| 19:00.45 | Fisker | i should kill Shadowed then |
| 19:00.52 | DWSR | He also abandoned it. |
| 19:00.54 | DWSR | I need new unitframes. |
| 19:01.06 | Fisker | tekkub also need to push changes to curse/wowi |
| 19:01.33 | Fisker | i need a random mount thingy |
| 19:01.41 | DWSR | New streaming patcher offers a very useful feature/. |
| 19:01.52 | DWSR | Being able to redo your UI without having to download the entire patch |
| 19:01.52 | Computerpunk | being slow? |
| 19:01.52 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 19:01.56 | Computerpunk | Oh. |
| 19:01.59 | Fisker | slow? |
| 19:02.04 | Computerpunk | Was joking. |
| 19:02.05 | Computerpunk | >_> |
| 19:02.11 | Torhal | DWSR: Aye |
| 19:02.13 | Fisker | you have been terminated |
| 19:02.23 | Computerpunk | ZA WARUDO! |
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| 19:02.23 | Fisker | so any other good maintained UF addon |
| 19:02.25 | Computerpunk | Thou shalt not! |
| 19:02.29 | Fisker | and not pitbull because ckknight is a jerk |
| 19:02.34 | Fisker | (especially if he was actually in here) |
| 19:02.35 | Computerpunk | Fisker, I'm fixing up UnderHood. |
| 19:02.36 | Torhal | Though when I just hearthed to Dalaran my splash screen was a dwarf riding a gryphon...then I was disconnected |
| 19:02.36 | Computerpunk | As we speak. |
| 19:02.48 | Fisker | underhood sounds like shit |
| 19:02.58 | Computerpunk | Your call. |
| 19:03.00 | Computerpunk | :p |
| 19:03.00 | Torhal | What's under your hood, Fisker? |
| 19:03.01 | Fisker | also mildly homosexual |
| 19:03.07 | Fisker | exactly Torhal |
| 19:03.44 | mikma | fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDOMRgndoUY |
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| 19:04.05 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 19:04.08 | Fisker | we were just talking about you |
| 19:04.12 | Fisker | old btw mikma |
| 19:04.16 | Fisker | and reported to the authorities |
| 19:04.17 | mikma | fisker: i know |
| 19:04.36 | mikma | you reported it |
| 19:07.16 | Fisker | so anyone know how to fix the dots of guildmembers on your mainmap being a square? |
| 19:08.15 | EthanCentaurai | Any WoWinterface guys needing an extra volunteer for stuff? |
| 19:08.22 | EthanCentaurai | I lose my job soon and need something to do |
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| 19:10.29 | Fisker | professional hobby is more like it EthanCentaurai |
| 19:10.46 | Fisker | can't really count selling yourself as a job |
| 19:11.41 | mikma | you wouldnt sell your job to fisker |
| 19:11.49 | Computerpunk | inb4 carbonite becoming discontinued |
| 19:11.53 | nevcairiel | so |
| 19:12.00 | nevcairiel | instead of fixing the damn UI extraction kit |
| 19:12.01 | Fisker | so nevcairiel |
| 19:12.06 | nevcairiel | they just put up downloads of the whole UI |
| 19:12.13 | nevcairiel | lazy tool devs |
| 19:12.14 | kd3|netbook | ! |
| 19:12.23 | EthanCentaurai | aye |
| 19:12.27 | EthanCentaurai | they have enGB there |
| 19:12.28 | Fisker | we can sploits btw |
| 19:12.32 | Fisker | Rebuke procs a seal |
| 19:12.38 | EthanCentaurai | no-one's used enGB since TBC :p |
| 19:12.44 | Fisker | yes nevcairiel |
| 19:12.46 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEES |
| 19:12.46 | nevcairiel | there are actually subtle differences in the UI |
| 19:12.50 | nevcairiel | very minor, though |
| 19:12.52 | nevcairiel | soem global strings |
| 19:12.56 | EthanCentaurai | honor -> honour |
| 19:12.58 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:13.00 | nevcairiel | not that |
| 19:13.07 | nevcairiel | its all in american english |
| 19:13.10 | EthanCentaurai | pants -> trousers |
| 19:13.23 | kd3|netbook | well, I guess that means I can finally send out official diffs once every major patch now |
| 19:13.47 | nevcairiel | I would think that they'll update the tool eventually |
| 19:16.47 | Xinhuan | argh, PlaceCombatMarket is protected :( |
| 19:16.53 | Xinhuan | who wants to click menus to place markers! |
| 19:17.07 | Xinhuan | marker* |
| 19:17.20 | Xinhuan | or is it PlaceRaidMarker() |
| 19:17.24 | Xinhuan | anyway zz |
| 19:17.54 | cbreak | what the hell |
| 19:18.00 | cbreak | I am neutral with my own guild |
| 19:18.04 | mikma | yes |
| 19:18.18 | Dagmar | My DK has a runecrafting skill of 1. |
| 19:18.21 | cbreak | I am the GM since over four years... |
| 19:18.28 | Dagmar | Doesn't seem to be stopping anything from working tho |
| 19:18.35 | cbreak | I should be able to expect at least some recognition for that |
| 19:19.10 | Xinhuan | i don't think wow records when u joined a guild |
| 19:19.30 | Ketho | you could even be hostile in the cataclysm beta (bug) ;) |
| 19:20.04 | Computerpunk | warrior only nao! |
| 19:20.33 | Computerpunk | can't wait for guild leveling |
| 19:21.05 | mikma | anyone figured out how the druidhealing works now? =) |
| 19:21.16 | Maldivia | hmm, ohh well, finally retiring my raid mod |
| 19:21.42 | Computerpunk | Maldivia, which? |
| 19:21.51 | Maldivia | you've probably never heard of it :) |
| 19:21.57 | Computerpunk | Still. |
| 19:22.07 | Maldivia | it was simply called RaidGroup :) |
| 19:22.14 | mikma | omglollollol |
| 19:22.16 | Computerpunk | checking it out. |
| 19:22.36 | Maldivia | you probably can't find it anywhere either |
| 19:22.38 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.57 | mikma | cause IT SUCKED |
| 19:23.19 | Maldivia | nope, because it was mostly used by my guild and the server I was on :) |
| 19:23.29 | mikma | cause IT SUCKED |
| 19:24.33 | Fisker | why won't my damn kgpanels WORK? |
| 19:24.41 | mikma | cause IT SUCKS |
| 19:26.37 | Computerpunk | hmm |
| 19:26.40 | Computerpunk | no purl update here? |
| 19:27.07 | mikma | what? |
| 19:27.35 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 19:27.35 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
| 19:28.31 | Computerpunk | #WARUIDev updates committed stuff |
| 19:29.13 | mikma | and purl is not a updates stuff -bot |
| 19:29.45 | Computerpunk | Oh, wait. |
| 19:29.47 | Computerpunk | It's called Repo. |
| 19:29.51 | DWSR | Yep.\ |
| 19:30.07 | mikma | ~tryme |
| 19:30.07 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at Mr_Rabies and fires. Click. |
| 19:30.21 | mikma | damn, almost |
| 19:30.43 | dafire | hmmm... can't hunters unlearn their pets talents ? |
| 19:31.08 | mikma | needs a item from inscriptioners? |
| 19:31.14 | mikma | atleast used to |
| 19:31.21 | dafire | oh |
| 19:31.39 | mikma | scroll of unlearn or something |
| 19:32.28 | dafire | thx .. havent played my hunter for a long time .) |
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| 19:33.06 | DWSR | Anyone using MSBT asis in 4.x? |
| 19:33.58 | TC-Work | ~lart mikma |
| 19:33.58 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after mikma's head |
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| 19:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | applauds purl. |
| 19:41.01 | Pneumatus | DWSR: works fine for me |
| 19:45.26 | durcyn | DWSR: it's fine, just some wonky spell IDs for some of the defaults |
| 20:03.33 | TC-Work | possibly nsfw http://s1.appbrain.com/screen?id=1694126093077510012&i=2 |
| 20:03.40 | TC-Work | that looks like an amusing app |
| 20:05.21 | nicoli_s | i think i could write a better recipe app |
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| 20:09.43 | Ackis | growls at nicoli_s |
| 20:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | I actually love that recipe site. :) |
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| 20:14.39 | stew-a | is there an issue with string.gsub when using a function as the 3rd argument? |
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| 20:16.26 | Fisker | little cairenn |
| 20:16.36 | cairenn | hi |
| 20:16.51 | durcyn | big Fisker |
| 20:16.59 | TC-Work | thats what she said |
| 20:17.05 | TC-Work | but she was just trying to be nice |
| 20:17.17 | Lunessa | Seriously? I want to smack people. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026380055&sid=2000 |
| 20:17.58 | nevcairiel | so did any new cata pre event start with the patch yet? |
| 20:18.25 | TC-Work | Lunessa: whats the issue with that? |
| 20:19.07 | TC-Work | Lunessa: nvm, found your post |
| 20:19.15 | Lunessa | TC-Work: "I don't want to spend time farming. I want someone else to farm and sell to me at some price I feel like paying." That's what the post boils down to. |
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| 20:19.55 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother reading more of the thread |
| 20:20.13 | nevcairiel | but did someone enlightem them that the gold transfer cap doesnt count on ptr/beta copies? |
| 20:20.15 | TC-Work | Lunessa: so there is a ton of people farming but not increase on the number of nodes. this makes people feel frustrated, and being a beta, will not put in more time |
| 20:20.28 | TC-Work | just a thought |
| 20:21.20 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Which is exactly the condition they'll run into in Live. Same limited number of nodes. These people will bitch that they never get the materials they 'need' yadda yadaa |
| 20:21.40 | TC-Work | Lunessa: right, but live isnt going to be wiped in a few months |
| 20:22.53 | Lunessa | I'm always infuriated by people who demand others 'do things' for them and expect them to do it for free or otherwise below value. Ask? Sure. Demand? No f'ing way pal. |
| 20:23.36 | TC-Work | what value though? it's the beta, money is mostly meaningless |
| 20:23.47 | TC-Work | though i agree on the demand part |
| 20:24.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah i kinda agree with the poster on this one, although i wouldnt say make it that cheap but some limit though |
| 20:24.35 | Lunessa | Money is the medium of exchange. If there I things I want but don't have, I can give things I want that others don't have for money which lets me get things I want. |
| 20:24.57 | durcyn | it's beta, who even cares. disable the auction house and delete the accounts of anyone who complains |
| 20:25.37 | Lunessa | If someone doesn't want to go get ore or leather - and I have ore and leather - I can turn the gold coins into other things I want. It's simple. And demanding human behavior change is stupid. |
| 20:26.45 | Lunessa | And imagine the hot-fix that would need to be done when that didn't get un-capped at the end of beta. |
| 20:27.47 | nevcairiel | meh they have other stuff active on the beta that they need to remember to turn off |
| 20:29.09 | Hirsute | It isn't just me that's see water all sorts of screwed up right now, is it? |
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| 20:29.57 | Lopeppeppy | No, that was mentioned as a known bug on something I read yesterday. |
| 20:29.59 | Nechckn | likes to drink water. |
| 20:30.29 | Nechckn | spits some in Hirsute's general direction. |
| 20:30.31 | kd3|netbook | if you resize the client in windowed mode, water breaks |
| 20:30.32 | Lunessa | If you resize the world frame you get strange behavior with water |
| 20:30.34 | kd3|netbook | pretty badly |
| 20:30.44 | Nechckn | That look okay, fella? =D |
| 20:31.21 | Hirsute | I haven't resized it at all, though. |
| 20:31.30 | Hirsute | plans Nechckn's early demise... |
| 20:31.50 | Hirsute | I do play in Windowed mode. I'll have to try full screen tonight and see if it looks any better. |
| 20:31.58 | Lopeppeppy | Water hateth you. Poor thing. |
| 20:32.13 | Hirsute | I've got a screen shot of two me's on screen while looking where some water should have been last night. |
| 20:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hot. |
| 20:33.49 | Hirsute | And gathering near water is fun, too. Mobs hide in the blind spots created by the fracturing of the rendering that happens for me when near water. |
| 20:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Do not play near water until bug is fixed. Yoda says so. |
| 20:35.00 | Hirsute | Aye. Too bad I'm camping for Loque in Sholazar on my hunter. |
| 20:35.28 | Nechckn | What video card, o' hairy one? |
| 20:35.47 | Hirsute | Also: I've been misreading information about reforging. I always thought it was "up to" 40% of a secondary stat, rather than "exactly 40%" |
| 20:35.58 | Hirsute | Nechckn: It's an nVidia 280 gtx, I believe. |
| 20:36.06 | Nechckn | Or is this water thing a known bug on all cards? |
| 20:36.35 | Hirsute | Well, it seems to be affecting me differently than most, as I don't require a screen-resize to have issues. |
| 20:36.47 | Hirsute | Though I wonder if it's because I've changed my viewport... |
| 20:36.49 | Nechckn | hrm.. kk.. will have to check that out for giggles. The ATI seems happy - for once- but have an nVidia or two in some other machines. |
| 20:37.00 | durcyn | Hirsute: there are known issues with viewports in 4.0 |
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| 20:37.27 | Hirsute | durcyn: Good to know. I've not seen any mention of them previously. |
| 20:37.44 | durcyn | something about skyboxes, my eyes glazed over after that. |
| 20:44.54 | Lunessa | Hirsute: Changing your viewport is resizing the world frame. Which causes problems with water drawing. |
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| 20:45.28 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Aye, I realized that just as I typed about my viewport up there. |
| 20:45.38 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 21:03.24 | Reecieboy | arguments aren't global anylonger? |
| 21:03.34 | Reecieboy | * The global variables this, event and arg1[b], [b]arg2... have been removed. Event handlers and other callbacks must use the appropriate locals. If you have lua installed locally, the command luac -l -p somefile.lua can be useful to search for the GETGLOBAL instruction to find places where code is referencing a global instance of these variables. |
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| 21:04.05 | nevcairiel | thank god no |
| 21:04.13 | Reecieboy | i use arg1 and arg2 how to i check them now they get set if an event fires? |
| 21:04.34 | Reecieboy | do* |
| 21:04.38 | durcyn | they don't get set. period. |
| 21:04.45 | durcyn | set your own args in your event handlers |
| 21:06.50 | Reecieboy | ok got it working lol |
| 21:06.52 | Reecieboy | ty |
| 21:07.01 | Reecieboy | damn again error. |
| 21:07.13 | Reecieboy | i need to check if the argument is nil |
| 21:09.07 | Hirsute | Wish I had more idea about how queries to the armory worked... |
| 21:09.12 | Reecieboy | sorry - ignore me for me :P |
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| 21:16.09 | Torhal | cairenn: ping |
| 21:16.31 | Kraps | hey |
| 21:18.22 | cairenn | Torhal: pong |
| 21:19.22 | Torhal | cairenn: You up for juggling some AddOns? |
| 21:19.40 | Kraps | this patch day is a great time for such questions! http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/14870050860/why-not-a-classic-server/ |
| 21:20.01 | cairenn | Torhal: about to run out the door, have to take one of my kittehs to the vet |
| 21:20.05 | cairenn | when I get back? |
| 21:20.16 | Torhal | cairenn: Ah, go do that. I'll pester someone else or wait for you |
| 21:20.21 | cairenn | k |
| 21:20.23 | cairenn | thanks |
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| 21:21.08 | Xyphoid | kraps: well, the they will meat gorges, we can't have that |
| 21:23.02 | olafski | agreed |
| 21:23.07 | olafski | that's extremely unhealthy |
| 21:23.30 | durcyn | "meat gorge" is the worst euphemism for genitalia I've ever heard. |
| 21:24.02 | olafski | it can't be that |
| 21:24.03 | olafski | come on |
| 21:24.11 | olafski | "the they will genitalia" makes no sense |
| 21:24.20 | Reecieboy | ty for ur help |
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| 21:24.27 | olafski | np bey |
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| 21:34.00 | nicoli_s | durcyn:what about meat curtains |
| 21:38.48 | TC-Work | bacon curtians |
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| 21:45.30 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: dont give tekkub ideas, you might convert him |
| 21:45.43 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: you know he likes it |
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| 21:50.46 | Angayelle | quick lua question, is it correct to use : elseif not (id == 60215) then |
| 21:51.05 | nevcairiel | id ~= 60215 would be easier |
| 21:51.08 | nevcairiel | but sure |
| 21:51.21 | Angayelle | k thanks |
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| 21:51.58 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5663018/valves-new-game-is-dota2 |
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| 21:53.40 | Kraps | "A Tree of Life walks into a bar. The bartender says, 'Hey bud, why the long face?'" |
| 21:54.02 | nicoli_s | s/Tree of Life/Horse/ |
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| 22:01.29 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:01.43 | DWSR | I have echoes of lordaeron in Stormwind |
| 22:01.58 | kd3|netbook | oops? |
| 22:04.09 | Kraps | woot beauty and the beast in HD |
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| 22:05.21 | Zasurus | Hiya |
| 22:06.15 | Zasurus | I know this is likely a newbe question but what did the global variable "this" do? I am trying to fix a few addon't that died and now "this" has been removed I can't workout what it did to fix it! :-) |
| 22:06.32 | DWSR | Replace this with self. |
| 22:06.39 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 22:07.13 | DWSR | What's the command to show all frames under the mouse? |
| 22:07.22 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.24 | DWSR | thanks |
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| 22:08.49 | DWSR | nevcairiel: What are bartender bar frame names? |
| 22:08.54 | DWSR | BT4Bar(x)? |
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| 22:09.05 | Zasurus | dwsr:thanks |
| 22:12.10 | Kraps | MW2 is on sale for $36.99 on amazon fwiw |
| 22:13.29 | Angayelle | can i set a value to nil or is it only something that is returned ? |
| 22:15.32 | TC-Work | Kraps: eh |
| 22:17.11 | DWSR | Angayelle: You can set a value to nil. |
| 22:17.18 | DWSR | Whoever, note that anything not explicitly defined is already nil. |
| 22:17.41 | Angayelle | aye i knew that |
| 22:19.56 | Angayelle | i'm checking my glyph sockets for a particular glyph but the PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE is fired multiple times when i change one and it seems my : for i = 1,9 do local enabled,_,_,id = GetGlyphSocketInfo(i) is flooded and don't return the corect answer all the time |
| 22:20.00 | Kraps | the beast's castle looks awesome in HD |
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| 22:21.24 | Angayelle | i tied it to have a check on each update talent but each socket event fire 9 getglyphsocketinfo |
| 22:21.45 | Angayelle | which means 9*9 getglyphsocketinfo |
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| 22:23.22 | Angayelle | is there an event that fire only once when a new glyph is applied ? something like GLYPH_APPLY_SUCCESS (i'm dreaming maybe) |
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| 22:34.52 | Zasurus | Has anyone got Carbonite (or at lest the map part) working in V4? |
| 22:34.54 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
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| 22:35.54 | DWSR | Perhaps GLYPH_ADDED is what you're looking for? |
| 22:36.06 | DWSR | or GLYPH_UPDATED? |
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| 23:00.43 | Zasurus | arg1 doesn't exist any more does it? Am i correct in saying it was the first variable from the input into a function e.g. funcname(...) and arg1 = the first variable in ...? |
| 23:01.12 | cbreak | no |
| 23:01.31 | cbreak | I think it was the third |
| 23:01.40 | cbreak | but it could have been anything, really |
| 23:02.23 | Zasurus | :-( so "local arg1 = select(1, ...);" wouldn't replace it? |
| 23:04.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:04.55 | Zasurus | This fixing Carbonite is a lot harder than I hoped... :-( Problem is I use it for developing my addon! LOL |
| 23:04.57 | Mirrored | local arg1 = select(1, ...) would give you *something*, but it would usually be a reference to the object upon which the function was called |
| 23:05.21 | Arrowmaster | Zasurus: let the carbonite devs fix carbonite |
| 23:06.37 | Angayelle | is there a way to know which event are fired ? |
| 23:06.40 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, they aren't fixing it |
| 23:06.47 | Xinhuan | there will just be 20 different fan updates |
| 23:06.57 | Angayelle | a kind of event log |
| 23:07.02 | Zasurus | Arrowmaster: Yer but as I tied the development of my current addon to being able to zoom in and out on the map and they haven't said they are fixing it for sure I need to get the map back up and running |
| 23:07.04 | Xinhuan | /eventtrace |
| 23:07.11 | Arrowmaster | all hosted on rapidshare likely since we wont let them touch the proper addon sites |
| 23:07.33 | Xinhuan | arg1 is just a variable name |
| 23:07.37 | Zasurus | Yer the code is copyright so no releasing |
| 23:07.49 | Xinhuan | generally it is the 3rd argument of the function event input |
| 23:07.50 | Gnarfoz | why oh why did they have to change uiScale :( |
| 23:07.53 | Xinhuan | but not always |
| 23:07.58 | Xinhuan | can be 2nd |
| 23:08.32 | Zasurus | Xinhuan: Guess there is no way of telling is there? Why would they remove this! LOL |
| 23:08.45 | Mirrored | for OnEvent, the arguments are 1: the frame handling the event, 2: the event string, 3 and onwards: the event's arguments |
| 23:08.48 | Arrowmaster | because its been deprecated since TBC |
| 23:09.00 | Arrowmaster | they should have removed it then |
| 23:09.35 | Xinhuan | because they announced its deprecation about 2-3 years ago |
| 23:09.53 | Mirrored | it was a silly and inefficient way of doing things |
| 23:09.55 | Xinhuan | so all addons should have been updated not to use the global variable versions since then |
| 23:10.05 | Xinhuan | and use the local variable versions passed in |
| 23:10.25 | Zasurus | I see |
| 23:10.49 | Xinhuan | plus it is actually very inefficient to set 12 globals every time a frame receives an event from the C side code of wow |
| 23:11.15 | foxlit | Care to put a number on it? |
| 23:11.24 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 23:11.31 | Mirrored | a number on what? |
| 23:11.34 | Arrowmaster | at the rate events fire just from the combatlog, its a big number |
| 23:11.41 | foxlit | Mirrored: on "very inefficient" |
| 23:11.54 | Xinhuan | but i hear that's the main reason why aceevent and other similar mechanisms of pooling together event registration was even invented |
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| 23:15.00 | Xinhuan | as that's essentially all they do, little else, on top of the overhead of requiring a pcall() |
| 23:15.32 | Xinhuan | and from this, you can already guess the inefficiency is quite high |
| 23:17.57 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 23:18.13 | foxlit | The fact that ace's event handling routines are more convenient is an adequate explanation for their existence. |
| 23:18.31 | jnwhiteh | lol world server just died. |
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| 23:19.23 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: not just yours |
| 23:19.26 | Amarande | ... anyone else getting issues with characters getting stuck? |
| 23:19.34 | amro | ! |
| 23:19.35 | Amarande | and by stuck I don't mean location wise, I mean stuck as in can't be played |
| 23:19.41 | amro | sounds like they're hacking all IPs simultaneously |
| 23:19.44 | Xinhuan | convenience wasn't the original intention though |
| 23:19.46 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 23:19.56 | Amarande | just a few minutes ago, I went into Silvermoon and tried to ask a question in trade about hunters |
| 23:19.56 | Xinhuan | it was speed and efficiency isnt it jnwhiteh? |
| 23:20.02 | Dagmar | hacking all ips? say it not so! |
| 23:20.03 | Amarande | I got booted to the character select screen, and now I'm stuck at a full load bar |
| 23:20.07 | Amarande | anyone else seeing something like that? |
| 23:20.08 | jnwhiteh | Xyphoid: ? |
| 23:20.10 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: ? |
| 23:20.16 | Xinhuan | on aceevent's creation |
| 23:20.18 | kd3|netbook | amarande; exit wow, wipe out your cache (there's two of them now) and try again |
| 23:21.08 | Dagmar | That'll teach him to disturb the tranquility and solitude of Silvermoon Village with newb questions |
| 23:21.29 | Dagmar | er City |
| 23:21.39 | Amarande | kd3: just the two directories under World of Warcraft\Cache or is there another one? |
| 23:21.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh. |
| 23:21.48 | Amarande | actually, this was a question related to 4.0 changes |
| 23:21.49 | kd3|netbook | wow\cache and wow\data\cache |
| 23:21.55 | kd3|netbook | don't delete wow\data! |
| 23:22.14 | Amarande | kd3: yeah that would suck. :) |
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| 23:22.18 | Dagmar | kd3: C'mon where's your sense of adventure? It'll just re-download that for him too. ;) |
| 23:22.46 | Xinhuan | not really Dagmar ;p |
| 23:22.55 | kd3|netbook | the new answer to any wow problems (now that we're on the streaming system) is to delete both caches first. then you an do the three-finger-salute of cache/wtf/interface |
| 23:22.56 | Xinhuan | one mpq in there is required for launcher.exe to access |
| 23:23.07 | Xinhuan | to figure out what to download |
| 23:23.07 | kd3|netbook | if necessary, that is |
| 23:23.20 | Amarande | anyways. |
| 23:23.27 | Amarande | are hunters no longer able to dual wield 1H weapons? |
| 23:23.28 | Xinhuan | so if the whole data folder is gone, u need a full reinstall |
| 23:23.49 | Amarande | I'm seeing I can't do it yet, and I don't see it as a future skill anywhere in any of the tabs in my spellbook |
| 23:24.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hmm... You actually found a time when that's useful and not just because you happened to have found a couple of one-handers while leveling? |
| 23:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they can't, and it's not exactly news, it's been like that for a while. |
| 23:24.32 | amro | does anyone else see an "Upgrade to Burning Crusade" button on the 4.0 launcher? |
| 23:24.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, prior to 35, it's particularly useful in at least one way |
| 23:24.45 | Amarande | you can get two +15 Agi enchants, while +25 is tops for a 2H |
| 23:24.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: I've pretty much always been able to find a 2h weapon with better stats |
| 23:25.03 | Amarande | Night: when did that get changed? |
| 23:25.11 | Amarande | far as I knew hunters always had dual wield :S |
| 23:25.16 | Dagmar | It wasn't _that_ recently if it was changed |
| 23:25.16 | NightHawkTheSane | some time in beta months ago |
| 23:25.26 | Dagmar | Right so, beta != live, man |
| 23:25.38 | Dagmar | As far as live is concerned it was *just* changed |
| 23:25.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well yeah, but again, not NEWS. |
| 23:25.53 | amro | Dagmar: where were you during 1.x? 2xDawn's Edge with +agi was the shit back then |
| 23:25.55 | Dagmar | How? |
| 23:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | as in "should have seen it coming so stop asking stupid questions" |
| 23:25.59 | Dagmar | People in beta are not the entire world |
| 23:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it was on the PTR too? |
| 23:26.36 | Dagmar | Lots of things are on the PTR that are bugs and/or never make it to live |
| 23:27.02 | Amarande | Night: I just started a new hunter a few days ago, I didn't look at this class on PTR |
| 23:27.10 | Amarande | I only looked at priest and death knight, pretty much |
| 23:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | now you're just being antagonistic. the 2h hunter change has been around in beta for quite a while. It's not something they just sprung on /anyone/. |
| 23:27.27 | Dagmar | In the pile of >213 gear I have stashed, I also have all the one-handers with agility on them and I equipped them for giggles two weeks ago |
| 23:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | You may as well act shocked that they re-did the talent trees |
| 23:27.34 | amro | Amarande: http://tkasomething.com/ |
| 23:27.39 | Dagmar | So... It actually *IS* news and *IS* a recent change. |
| 23:27.51 | Dagmar | You're just trying to be a snob about it for whatever reason |
| 23:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Sure, I'll accept that. |
| 23:29.30 | Amarande | anyway, they took away DW from hunters for what reason? |
| 23:29.40 | Amarande | so newbies wouldn't get confused and gimp their DPS at 80 by equipping too much hit rating? |
| 23:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | to make itemization easier |
| 23:30.31 | amro | ^ |
| 23:30.45 | amro | there was a time when hunters rolled on everything. |
| 23:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | rogues, shaman, and dks are now the primary consumers of 1h dps weapons. Hunters & Druids the primary consumers of physical dps staves & polearms. |
| 23:31.31 | Dagmar | Well, there's four more inventory slots back at least |
| 23:32.34 | Amarande | well, I guess I'm just happy then that my priest knows both the 15 and 25 agi chants. :) |
| 23:33.08 | xyn | hold up.. when did they add more raid instances beyond molten core??? |
| 23:33.40 | kd3|netbook | 1.6? |
| 23:33.41 | amro | they haven't |
| 23:33.49 | amro | that's why we're all hyped about cata. |
| 23:33.53 | xyn | oh ok. phew. i was worried things had changed. |
| 23:33.56 | Wobin | haha |
| 23:33.58 | Wobin | 'a time'? |
| 23:34.17 | Dagmar | They sure as hell didn't work very hard at publishing this change |
| 23:34.40 | Gnarfoz | kd3|netbook: BWL was earlier than that, wasn't it |
| 23:34.50 | kd3|netbook | no |
| 23:34.54 | xyn | did the jc vendor titanium powder shiz get fixed? |
| 23:35.08 | Gnarfoz | honor system and AV were earlier than BWL? man |
| 23:35.19 | Dagmar | You'd think "You can no longer use 1H weapons" would be mentioned on http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27189089049&sid=1 at least |
| 23:35.20 | Gnarfoz | (also, strath and scholo nerf) |
| 23:35.39 | kd3|netbook | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patches/1.x |
| 23:36.16 | Amarande | hmm, I'm guessing WC is now something you go back and solo at high level. :) |
| 23:36.47 | Amarande | 4.0 seems to have introduced the "you must discover X instance" feature, I'm still not entirely sure which instances are affected yet except that I know WC is |
| 23:36.54 | Amarande | and queues for WC were long enough back when you could queue whenever :S |
| 23:37.10 | kd3|netbook | it shouldn't have? |
| 23:37.22 | kd3|netbook | the dungeon discovery thing is only for cata-level dungeons |
| 23:37.31 | Dagmar | A lot of exploration flags got reset |
| 23:38.09 | Gnarfoz | or to be precise: a lot of subzones got added, moved, changed, removed or renamed |
| 23:38.54 | Dagmar | I got a few "you have discovered X" messages while running around Stormwind last night, and I've damn well been all over Stormwind before and recently |
| 23:39.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: I was told I discovered the Valley of Strength. LOL |
| 23:39.19 | Amarande | On an 80 Horde. |
| 23:39.20 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 23:39.34 | Dagmar | Yeah that was about hte same reaction I had to being told I'd never been to Old Town before |
| 23:39.48 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: ...the point being: there's new and/or changed subzones in stormwind that you "damn well" didn't discover before since they weren't there |
| 23:40.38 | Amarande | and it's apparently NOT just cata level only dungeons. |
| 23:40.39 | Amarande | dammit, kd3 left |
| 23:40.43 | Amarande | but here's the SS anyway ... http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_101310_193855.jpg |
| 23:41.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: Are you sure you weren't trying to equip two main-hand weapons? |
| 23:41.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: both say "One-Hand" |
| 23:41.58 | Dagmar | 'cuz regardless of what some people say, I am not finding patch notes mentioning that that was changed |
| 23:43.15 | Dagmar | I'm not seeing any twinks posting "AMG I R GONNA SUE!" on the forums over it either |
| 23:44.36 | Amarande | ah |
| 23:44.39 | Amarande | THERE'S dual wield |
| 23:44.48 | Amarande | we still have it, oddly enough, unless it's bugged ... at level 20 |
| 23:44.58 | Amarande | I'm not sure why it's not listed as a future ability anywhere in the spellbook though :| |
| 23:45.14 | Xinhuan | maybe its not listed because you once had it? |
| 23:45.18 | Dagmar | Yeah now I'm finding posts saying it's just bugged, which means that *someone* was trying to be an ass about it |
| 23:45.34 | Xinhuan | so when u hit that lvl |
| 23:45.41 | Xinhuan | u might auto gain that skill |
| 23:45.44 | Dagmar | Yeah it's probablu just bugged |
| 23:45.45 | Xinhuan | without having to learn it again |
| 23:46.07 | foxlit | whee, Division Rank: 1 |
| 23:46.16 | amro | about how much into the streaming install can I log in and screw around with the UI? I'm at 180mb/9.81gb |
| 23:46.16 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: At 80 that could be a problem |
| 23:46.23 | Amarande | Xinhuan: this is a new hunter. only level 16 so far. |
| 23:46.27 | Dagmar | amro: it says right there on the screen |
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| 23:46.44 | foxlit | [Got an almost-new division, that is] |
| 23:46.50 | amro | Dagmar: it says 6.5gb for core, which differs wildly from the accounts I've heard |
| 23:46.51 | Xinhuan | when you hear a loug GONG sound |
| 23:46.55 | Xinhuan | you can login thereafter |
| 23:47.00 | Xinhuan | yep. |
| 23:47.05 | Dagmar | amro: What does it say under the word "AVAILABLE" |
| 23:47.17 | amro | 0.0KB |
| 23:47.22 | Dagmar | Where it's telling you the game is available to play and so on |
| 23:47.29 | Dagmar | Looks like your launcher's broke somehow then |
| 23:47.34 | Xinhuan | in his case, it probably doesn;t say available because when launcher.wtf gets removed |
| 23:47.42 | Xinhuan | it doesn't regenerate the % required |
| 23:47.51 | Xinhuan | for early login |
| 23:48.00 | amro | meaing the display's broke or it's not loading things right? |
| 23:48.03 | Xinhuan | in other words, you're stuck until 100% |
| 23:48.08 | Xinhuan | with a disabled play button |
| 23:48.12 | amro | hm |
| 23:48.24 | Dagmar | It was saying 480Mb for me last night, which was a bit odd |
| 23:48.35 | Xinhuan | the req % is also different based on your download speed |
| 23:48.35 | Dagmar | I'd let it get at least that far and then stop it and start it again |
| 23:48.41 | amro | any workaround? |
| 23:48.46 | Xinhuan | you can edit launcher.wtf set some stuff |
| 23:48.52 | Xinhuan | and it'll estimate a % for u |
| 23:48.56 | Xinhuan | and its different for everyone |
| 23:49.10 | Xyphoid | huh, i didn't see the DW thing in the patch notes, lulz |
| 23:49.10 | Xyphoid | i assume they'll get unequipped? |
| 23:49.20 | Dagmar | DW? |
| 23:49.35 | Xinhuan | u should have some field |
| 23:49.38 | Xinhuan | SET userspeed "xxxxx" |
| 23:49.40 | Xinhuan | number there |
| 23:49.45 | Xinhuan | feel free to tweak it |
| 23:49.54 | amro | it's 0 |
| 23:49.55 | Xinhuan | when its 100% done, the number is set to 0 |
| 23:50.07 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: If you're talking about dual-wield, I'm thinking it's just a bug |
| 23:50.13 | Xinhuan | otherwise its usually not 0 |
| 23:50.19 | amro | what's the range for it? |
| 23:50.36 | Dagmar | In theory my DK shoudln't be able to gain benefit from his runecrafted weapon because his skill in that is 1/300, but it still proc'd last night rather quickly |
| 23:50.39 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 23:50.43 | Xinhuan | try a few thousand first |
| 23:50.58 | Xinhuan | but i think i've seen numbers like 6 digits before |
| 23:51.12 | Dagmar | I see several Cata posts on the forums from people saying it's disappeared and must be bugged, and no bluetext ever saying it was changed |
| 23:51.15 | amro | oh |
| 23:51.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: apparently that runeforge thing fixes itself when you select a presence |
| 23:51.29 | amro | now it's set to 286293, after I closed hte launcher |
| 23:51.31 | Amarande | you may not have noticed it happen |
| 23:51.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nope. |
| 23:51.38 | Dagmar | It doesn't. |
| 23:51.41 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest u google launcher.wtf and SET userspeed |
| 23:51.44 | Amarande | but I saw when I went into frost presence that it told me "your skill in runeforging has increased to 300" |
| 23:51.45 | Xinhuan | and see what u find as results |
| 23:51.54 | Dagmar | Might have done for you, didn't for me |
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| 23:52.12 | Dagmar | I popped between frost and unholy a few times last night, THEN started poking at the runeforging thing |
| 23:52.16 | Kraps | this is pretty pro http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=8v_4O44sfjM&annotation_id=annotation_357724 |
| 23:52.21 | Dagmar | ...mainly because I got a new rune from the trainer |
| 23:52.35 | Dagmar | ...and then I saw it and said "WTF. Why is this text red?" |
| 23:52.50 | Dagmar | Some weird little yellow arrows next to the number in the crafting pane |
| 23:53.40 | amro | Kraps: what's pro is me killing 15 drones at ones with banelings |
| 23:53.44 | Dagmar | Kraps: A bit whiny |
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| 23:56.15 | Amarande | Dagmar, I *think* the little yellow arrows are what tell you you can get multiple skill ups |
| 23:58.14 | amro | Xinhuan: still says 0.0KB under available |
| 23:58.36 | Xinhuan | is the downloader actually downloading something? |
| 23:59.13 | Xinhuan | like, downloading at top speed but none of it seems to be written to disk |
