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| 00:11.28 | foxlit | Gr. |
| 00:11.45 | foxlit | I can't find the version of "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" I'm sure I've heard before. |
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| 00:18.01 | cbreak | olafski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPGgl5VH5go |
| 00:27.58 | cbreak | those guys seem to do crazy things... Air Penguin... or an automatic kite flying machine |
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| 00:59.21 | foxlit | http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html |
| 00:59.48 | foxlit | Pity z/x do not actually work outside of the menus :/ |
| 01:01.05 | foxlit | complaining about it worked, though |
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| 01:09.50 | Shirik | LFMF: When going to hotmail, make sure you spell hotMAIL, not hotMALE |
| 01:10.07 | amro | wow, way to go |
| 01:10.35 | Shirik | (wasn't me) |
| 01:10.52 | amro | I know, you go there intentinoally. |
| 01:11.00 | amro | my turn to fail at typing |
| 01:11.15 | Shirik | ._. |
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| 01:14.22 | cairenn | did you say intentioanally? |
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| 01:18.25 | Dagmar | Freudian typos. |
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| 01:38.22 | Kraps | "We previously announced in the Cataclysm Beta forums that we'd be enforcing a 600 guild member cap with patch 4.0.1. We've reevaluated what we believe the realms are capable of supporting and instead will be enforcing a guild member hard cap of 1,000 members." woah |
| 01:41.46 | Shirik | ew |
| 01:48.01 | Kraps | Shirik: ??? |
| 01:53.16 | Shirik | Kraps: Too many people |
| 01:53.47 | Kraps | says zarhym: We suspect these new features would almost encourage larger guilds to form, which as stated in our post, sort of goes against our philosophy for guilds being a tight-knit, relatively small group of players." |
| 01:54.33 | Shirik | you can't say "we're doing this" followed by "it's against our philosophy" |
| 01:54.49 | Kraps | :D |
| 01:56.21 | Kraps | they may or may not add functionality for guild alliances in the future ntw |
| 01:56.27 | Kraps | btw* |
| 02:01.32 | amro | eve proved that alliances are just a way of stealing even more money at the same time |
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| 02:05.20 | Jamash | yeah but in eve you're supposed to steal from your corp |
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| 02:18.34 | Xinhuan | hoho |
| 02:18.41 | Xinhuan | did they move the blizzcon sale to 10-10-10 10 am |
| 02:19.33 | Kraps | Xinhuan: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026331116&sid=1&pageNo=7#137 |
| 02:19.54 | Xinhuan | hah |
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| 03:16.39 | cogwheel | morning |
| 03:16.41 | cogwheel | (ugt) |
| 03:21.28 | Adys | http://media.lelombrik.net/34001-34500/e771b0ad5b06863f467270f3f7adc82c0ed0bd0d.jpg |
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| 03:36.30 | cogwheel | lulz |
| 03:57.17 | Arrowmaster | why do crappy B movies always get the same things wrong, like constantly cutting between closeups of different characters and over using closeups that dont even show the top of the actors head |
| 03:57.48 | Arrowmaster | had to stop this movie 3 minutes into it because it did that so much in the first 3 minutes i dont think i can watch the rest |
| 03:58.41 | cogwheel | Fisker: !!! |
| 03:58.51 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: i know the feeling |
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| 03:59.56 | Kraps | "why do crappy B movies" |
| 04:00.33 | Kraps | why does a used car have a higher change of breaking down |
| 04:01.27 | Arrowmaster | no seriously like every movie ive seen that wasnt backed by a hollywood studio or production house etc does this shit with extreme closeups all the time and constantly switching around |
| 04:02.11 | Yssaril | enables them to not build real sets :P |
| 04:02.32 | tekkub | anyone with SC2 got a download link for the PC client? |
| 04:02.40 | tekkub | I don't have it but I'm trying to install for a friend |
| 04:02.47 | Arrowmaster | its like they cant get a single shot over 20 seconds long |
| 04:02.50 | cogwheel | go to battle.net |
| 04:02.59 | cogwheel | and log in |
| 04:03.02 | tekkub | I don't have SC2 |
| 04:03.09 | tekkub | it won't give me the link |
| 04:03.17 | tekkub | hence why I'm asking :P |
| 04:03.27 | cogwheel | sec |
| 04:04.15 | cogwheel | https://us.battle.net/account/management/sc2/download.html?gameRegion=NA&lang=en-US&platform=win is my link |
| 04:06.58 | tekkub | domo |
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| 04:15.26 | cogwheel | Fisker: i probe rushed someone and got called a "FUCK AS". what are you gonna do about it? |
| 04:19.57 | Dagmar | Arromaster: Cell phones can only take video clips that are so long |
| 04:20.00 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 04:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | well that was frightening easy |
| 04:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I forked a project on github, added my commits, and pushed it back up |
| 04:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Now it is visible on the primary project.. |
| 04:23.10 | Kraps | cogwheel: we'll never know what he wanted you to fuck as |
| 04:30.02 | cogwheel | so today/tomorrow depending on time zone is 10/10/10 and 101010 in binary is 42. |
| 04:30.10 | cogwheel | nerd ^ |
| 04:30.12 | Kraps | cool http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/259573_hi?wid=700&fmt=jpeg&qlt=85,0&op_sharpen=1&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.0,0.0,0,0&iccEmbed=0 |
| 04:31.07 | kd3 | wth, hot topic? |
| 04:31.10 | kd3 | ~lart kraps |
| 04:31.10 | purl | slaps kraps upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 04:31.56 | Kraps | hwe the hell does a clothing store get hate? |
| 04:32.14 | cogwheel | child labor? |
| 04:32.23 | cogwheel | (just an idea, not sayin') |
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| 04:34.03 | Kraps | i'm pretty sure they only sell |
| 04:34.50 | cogwheel | yeah, but they have to get the clothes from somewhere ;) |
| 04:43.16 | cogwheel | sc2 forums should require adrenaline monitoring implants and not let people post if the level is too high. |
| 04:44.28 | Torhal | /sc2/all Blizzard/ |
| 04:45.11 | cogwheel | it could just be faulty memory, but I don't think I ever saw this level of QQ |
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| 05:12.06 | Kraps | what the matter now? |
| 05:12.54 | Kraps | cogwheel |
| 05:13.05 | cogwheel | anything and everything... |
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| 05:15.07 | Kraps | my theory is that its a smaller game than wow, for example, so QQ is more focused and intense on any one area |
| 05:17.56 | Adys | hehe |
| 05:17.57 | Adys | Jerub? |
| 05:17.59 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/10/10/beaststalkers-pants.png :D |
| 05:20.11 | Gnarfoz | what's special about that? oO |
| 05:20.23 | Adys | it's command line |
| 05:20.23 | Adys | :( |
| 05:20.36 | Adys | all pretty with colors. |
| 05:20.36 | Gnarfoz | why. |
| 05:20.37 | Gnarfoz | :F |
| 05:20.42 | Adys | because it's fun! |
| 05:20.48 | Gnarfoz | are you trying to be google? :p |
| 05:20.50 | tekkub | get a better font! |
| 05:21.30 | Adys | tekkub: ya this is using gnome-terminal because konsole has issues with grey |
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| 05:27.49 | Shirik | how can you have issues with grey |
| 05:27.51 | Shirik | it's like |
| 05:27.56 | Shirik | the color we've had since thebeginning of time |
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| 05:38.19 | cogwheel | Shirik: happy 42th |
| 05:38.25 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 05:38.42 | cogwheel | 21:30 < cogwheel> so today/tomorrow depending on time zone is 10/10/10 and 101010 in binary is 42. |
| 05:38.52 | Shirik | how do you know it's 42 |
| 05:39.03 | cogwheel | my calculator told me -_- |
| 05:39.14 | cogwheel | i wanted to know what 101010 was and it happened to be 42 |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | um |
| 05:39.31 | Shirik | it could be -42 |
| 05:39.45 | cogwheel | that assumes more than "binary" |
| 05:39.52 | Shirik | it definitely can't be +42 |
| 05:40.03 | Shirik | oh maybe I added wrong |
| 05:40.11 | Shirik | yeah I did |
| 05:40.27 | Shirik | ok well it could be -21 |
| 05:40.36 | Shirik | -22* |
| 05:40.40 | Shirik | or -21! |
| 05:40.45 | cogwheel | 22:39 < cogwheel> that assumes more than "binary" |
| 05:40.48 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 05:40.52 | Shirik | Your 42 assumes more than binary! |
| 05:41.23 | cogwheel | implied by social context :P |
| 05:46.31 | Shirik | I'm anti-social |
| 05:46.33 | Dagmar | What platform that these people use uses six bit ints? |
| 05:46.44 | Shirik | there used to be a bunch |
| 05:47.11 | cogwheel | they had 6 bit bytes and 36 bit words didn't they? |
| 05:47.24 | Shirik | fun stuff |
| 05:47.25 | Dagmar | Uh... not that I've ever seen |
| 05:47.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:48.06 | Shirik | ~wiki 36-bit |
| 05:48.12 | cogwheel | Dagmar: this is why C has such loose definitions for variable sizes |
| 05:48.13 | Dagmar | You can do that as a packed struct if your'e that damn desperate to save bytes, but the only thing I can remember that did less than 8bit bytes was Atari machines with that wacky 4-bit "nybble" |
| 05:48.28 | Shirik | actually 6-bit preceded 8-bit iirc |
| 05:48.33 | Dagmar | Hence, |
| 05:48.44 | Dagmar | Hence, "What platform that these people use..." |
| 05:49.00 | Shirik | preceded doesn't mean "8 bit replaced" but rather "6 bit existed first" |
| 05:49.04 | Adys | [06:28:38] <@Shirik> how can you have issues with grey |
| 05:49.05 | Adys | well |
| 05:49.07 | Adys | for example |
| 05:49.21 | Adys | you americans still cant figure out whether it's grey or gray. |
| 05:49.33 | Dagmar | It's "gray" to use Americans. |
| 05:49.45 | Dagmar | It's "grey" to those queen humpin chip eaters |
| 05:49.47 | Shirik | ^ I don't really follow convention |
| 05:49.47 | cogwheel | except to the half who don't know how to spell gray |
| 05:50.02 | Adys | I'd say using an american is not a grey area |
| 05:50.16 | Shirik | no it's usually black, white, or brown |
| 05:50.18 | Dagmar | What would you call using a Brazilian? |
| 05:50.29 | Adys | Grazillist |
| 05:50.42 | Zhinjio | depends what you use him for. |
| 05:50.49 | Zhinjio | or, alternately, who did the shaving |
| 05:51.04 | Dagmar | For those who are into football, just a clarification about My. Haynesworth's brother. |
| 05:51.06 | Dagmar | He was being stupid. |
| 05:51.10 | Dagmar | That's how he got killed. |
| 05:51.15 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 05:51.15 | purl | rumour has it, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ is your mom |
| 05:51.28 | Shirik | o.O |
| 05:51.33 | Adys | ~~~~~~~ |
| 05:51.34 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat adys. |
| 05:51.47 | Dagmar | The wreck he was in tore his bike to bits. He was doing at least 80 on a busy street trying to be a cool crazy biker |
| 05:52.43 | Dagmar | I was hearing people this afternoon fussing about it being "unfair" that he died so young. |
| 05:52.58 | Dagmar | Physics is really unfair. ;) |
| 05:55.45 | cogwheel | -_- |
| 05:55.54 | Trela | Physics lives for unfair and Darwin. :D |
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| 05:57.32 | cogwheel | it's unfair that he did that to all the people who expected things out of him... but i doubt that's what they meant |
| 05:57.50 | Dagmar | Brother of football player |
| 05:58.10 | Dagmar | At least he can serve as a cautionary talk |
| 05:58.12 | Dagmar | er tale |
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| 05:59.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: So mean, but so true. |
| 06:00.07 | DWSR | I say that because I drove past an 18-wheeler that was jackknifed on the highway. |
| 06:00.19 | DWSR | And was doing 120 down a rural road that's 80. |
| 06:01.15 | Adys | Jerub: you around? |
| 06:01.20 | DWSR | If I had died in an accident, I would hope that the police would be able to tell that I was being a moron, not that I was the victim of some shitty wildlife jumping out or something. |
| 06:02.20 | Dagmar | Well, what bugs me is he was doing the exact same thing *lots* of idiots do |
| 06:02.24 | Mirrored | I'm confused, are we talking about miles or kilometers? |
| 06:02.41 | Dagmar | You can just *look* at a motorcycle of some types and just tell that the driver loves trying to get themselves killed |
| 06:03.06 | DWSR | Mirrored: I'm Canadian. Kilometers. |
| 06:03.22 | DWSR | If it sounds too fast to be miles, it's kilometers, as a general rule. |
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| 06:03.27 | Dagmar | If it's like a Harley or a Honda with a lot of chrome and they wear black leather, they might do 120mph, but only on open interstates for long periods of time |
| 06:03.45 | Mike-N-Go | mikma: Moo! |
| 06:03.51 | Dagmar | If it's got ANY kind of "R-type" sticker on it, has lots of plastic farings, and they ride it like something you're hanging onto for dear life, they're an idiot |
| 06:03.57 | Mirrored | 120 is not outside the realm of physical possibility |
| 06:04.04 | DWSR | btw, that translates into about 80 miles and 50 miles, respectively. |
| 06:04.04 | Mirrored | well, maybe for an 18-wheeler |
| 06:04.12 | Dagmar | Mirrored: One of my co-workers just got back from a road trip. |
| 06:04.19 | Dagmar | He showed me some GPS locations. |
| 06:04.30 | Mirrored | *120mph |
| 06:04.33 | Dagmar | He defintely covered 120 miles in an hour at a few points. :) |
| 06:04.51 | Mirrored | yeah but he wasn't driving an 18 wheeler ^_^ |
| 06:04.52 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean _120 miles_ not just a burst of speed |
| 06:05.05 | Dagmar | Nah an 18 wheeler doing 120mph is a weapon |
| 06:05.15 | DWSR | They have limiters on them. |
| 06:05.22 | DWSR | They can't actually go that fast, not legally anyway. |
| 06:05.28 | Dagmar | You would practically have to mail in a request filed in triplicate to stop it |
| 06:05.36 | Mirrored | *all* road-legal vehicles have limiters, don't they? |
| 06:05.42 | Dagmar | Uh no |
| 06:05.46 | DWSR | Sort of. |
| 06:06.00 | DWSR | 18-wheelers all have them for sure. |
| 06:06.03 | Dagmar | The transmission tends to only go so high |
| 06:06.10 | DWSR | To stop just the sort of thing that Dagmar's talking about. |
| 06:06.12 | Dagmar | 18 wheelers fucking break laws like there's no tomorrow tho |
| 06:06.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: btw, where's the triplicate reference from? Hitchhikers? |
| 06:06.27 | Dagmar | ...but 120mph is just a stupid speed to drive one at. |
| 06:06.35 | Dagmar | The distance it takes to stop it is ridiculous |
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| 06:06.46 | Dagmar | I see them doing 85mph all the time |
| 06:07.05 | Dagmar | Something like 1 in 4 truckers with a CB radio have an illegal booster on it |
| 06:07.19 | DWSR | Holy shit, 85? |
| 06:07.23 | DWSR | Really? |
| 06:07.29 | DWSR | Here they can't go over 110, so about 70ish? |
| 06:07.31 | Dagmar | ...and you never want to turn on a CB radio next to a big truck stop. |
| 06:07.33 | DWSR | 75 maybe |
| 06:07.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: Why would you have a CB radio anyway? |
| 06:07.59 | Dagmar | DWSR: Well, in their defense, that particular stretch of interstate... if they didn't do 85, hillbillies in pickup trucks would rear-end them |
| 06:08.08 | Dagmar | DWSR: Because I'm that kinda guy |
| 06:08.13 | DWSR | Fair enough. |
| 06:08.17 | Dagmar | I've *always* had a bunch of 'listening devices' |
| 06:08.30 | DWSR | And yeah, the 18 wheelers in my province are actually governed. They can't go faster than 110. |
| 06:08.40 | DWSR | Which makes for really interesting highway driving when one's trying to pass another one. |
| 06:08.55 | Dagmar | Hilariously enough I used to hang out at this park with a bunch of punk types, and occasionally someone would accuse me of being a fed or something because I had one earbud in most of the time. |
| 06:08.57 | DWSR | And then traffic's trying to squeeze by in the far left lane, and some fucking moron is doing 115. |
| 06:09.01 | Dagmar | I was actually listening to a police scanner. |
| 06:09.12 | DWSR | You hippie you |
| 06:09.32 | Dagmar | I like to be far, far away from the "blast radius" of anything that's going down, for any reason. |
| 06:09.42 | cogwheel | Dagmar: why doesn't that surprise me? |
| 06:09.44 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 06:09.50 | Dagmar | You know I'm a deeply paranoid guy. :) |
| 06:09.53 | DWSR | Generally conducive to a clean criminal record. |
| 06:10.00 | Dagmar | DWSR: Damn straight. |
| 06:10.09 | Dagmar | There can be no misunderstandings if they don't even know I exist. |
| 06:10.22 | DWSR | I tend to just fall in with rather rich and powerful friends. |
| 06:10.28 | DWSR | And become unguilty by association. |
| 06:10.37 | Dagmar | Yeah those are the people who tend ot have the most spectacular blast radii |
| 06:10.41 | DWSR | and I do mean unguilty. |
| 06:10.50 | DWSR | Yeah, but it's always been minor stuff. |
| 06:10.56 | DWSR | Public drunkenness, etc. |
| 06:11.03 | Dagmar | Hehe harmless |
| 06:11.14 | DWSR | Exactly. Shit that shouldn't even be an offense in the first place. |
| 06:11.56 | DWSR | I followed a cop doing 90mph along the freeway today. |
| 06:11.59 | DWSR | It was fun. |
| 06:12.10 | cogwheel | oh irony..... "... Well, I bothered to look it up while i was sober, and i found out that...it will go into effect on January 1st..." --- "Edit: Never mind, it seems it will actually go into effect as soon as the votes are counted..." |
| 06:12.15 | Dagmar | around here as long as you've got someone sober escorting, the cops won't bother drunk people on foot so long as they pretend to be sober |
| 06:12.18 | Dagmar | (and orderly) |
| 06:12.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: We tended to be the entirely drunken and mostly disorderly. |
| 06:12.39 | Dagmar | cogwheel: That someone out of CA? |
| 06:12.48 | cogwheel | http://www.reddit.com/r/trees/related/dlo61/prop_19_will_go_into_effect_on_january_1st_2011/ |
| 06:12.53 | DWSR | otoh, I live in a fairly small town, so everyone knew who we were. |
| 06:13.02 | Dagmar | hehee |
| 06:13.26 | Mirrored | it seems like the title of that post is actually incorrect |
| 06:13.39 | DWSR | They were like "Oh, you're /their/ son. Alright, get in the cruiser, we'll take you home" |
| 06:13.41 | cogwheel | yes, that was the irony |
| 06:13.54 | Dagmar | He muffed it, while sober. |
| 06:14.01 | DWSR | hahaha |
| 06:14.04 | Dagmar | that's actually kinda a bad thing, as I understand it |
| 06:14.17 | Mirrored | well, I assume most people who see a link like that won't bother clicking it because all the information you need to know is already in the title |
| 06:14.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: What is? Muffing things when you're sober? |
| 06:14.34 | Dagmar | yes. |
| 06:14.42 | DWSR | It's called being human. ;) |
| 06:14.43 | Mirrored | thus, clarification is necessary! |
| 06:14.54 | Corrodias | so what the hell is "prop 19"? |
| 06:15.00 | Dagmar | legalization of weed |
| 06:15.13 | Corrodias | it was already legally distributed at a state level |
| 06:15.20 | Dagmar | CA's just saying "Fuck it. Let's tax the stuff and get it out into the open." |
| 06:15.24 | Dagmar | Watch... Just you WATCH |
| 06:15.28 | Mirrored | well... it's more just legalization and regulation of *selling* weed at this point, isn't it? |
| 06:15.34 | Corrodias | so you mean without a prescription now? |
| 06:15.36 | Dagmar | Police reports of violence will drop ten percent. |
| 06:15.47 | Mirrored | the governator already legalized possession like last week |
| 06:15.56 | DWSR | The governator lol. |
| 06:16.04 | DWSR | My country needs someone like that. |
| 06:16.05 | Dagmar | They'll be selling it in corner stores pretty soon |
| 06:16.38 | Mirrored | weed branding, weed advertising, etc. |
| 06:16.39 | Dagmar | There'll probably be a bit of an issue with noobs smoking up and *driving* but assault cases will probably drop |
| 06:16.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: Don't worry, be happy, and so forth? |
| 06:17.01 | Mirrored | driving with weed is still illegal, I'm pretty sure |
| 06:17.14 | Dagmar | Well, it's just that there's a bunch of people who wind up with assault charges because they got drunk and ornery |
| 06:17.16 | Mirrored | as well as possessing it in public, giving it to people under 18, and some other things |
| 06:17.24 | Mirrored | the restrictions actually seemed fairly draconian |
| 06:17.31 | Dagmar | Those guys will probably switch to weed |
| 06:17.36 | Dagmar | Hopefully. |
| 06:18.03 | Dagmar | mirroed: Well, they'd have to be pretty specific. That's a major rule change, sociologically speakiong |
| 06:18.28 | Dagmar | Basically those rules are designed to keep the common man from goign out on the streets smoking pot and being stupid |
| 06:18.39 | Dagmar | They don't know how to handle it. |
| 06:18.41 | Corrodias | sounds a lot like the restrictions on alcohol |
| 06:18.46 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 06:18.55 | Corrodias | which is 0 surprise. in surprise units. |
| 06:19.10 | Dagmar | It's an inebriant. You definitely can't just hand it to Joe Average and say "Now go about your daily stuff" |
| 06:19.33 | Zhinjio | driving while ability impaired is still illegal, the intoxicant is irrelevant. |
| 06:19.43 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 06:19.56 | Dagmar | I was really hoping they'd come up with an easy chemical test for it before this point |
| 06:19.58 | Mirrored | yeah, I'm not saying they should put a dome over the state and make the whole place a hotbox or anything |
| 06:19.59 | Zhinjio | same with dui |
| 06:20.07 | Dagmar | It'l be interesting to see how many people will be stupid enough to drive stoned |
| 06:20.13 | Mirrored | I'm just saying people should consider what the meaning of "legalization" is |
| 06:20.19 | Dagmar | Hopefully that won't be an overall increase in DWI |
| 06:20.20 | Mirrored | in this instance |
| 06:20.21 | Zhinjio | they already do, it probably isn't going to change much |
| 06:20.55 | Dagmar | Mirrored: Just because something is legal doesn't mean that everything you can possibly do with it is still legal by association, man |
| 06:21.11 | Dagmar | You can go to the store and buy a hand axe, but it's STILL illegal to chop a bunch of people up with it. |
| 06:21.29 | Zhinjio | ahnold actually didn't support the bill, but he was under too much pressure. They can't afford to not have the tax revenue (among other things) |
| 06:21.56 | Mirrored | that's not the greatest analogy |
| 06:21.57 | Dagmar | There's tons of laws pertaining to alcohol, and tons of laws pertaining to scheduled drugs, and very little overlap. |
| 06:22.30 | Corrodias | Mirrored: it's more of an extreme example |
| 06:22.30 | Dagmar | So with pot coming out of the scheduled drugs category, but not being alcohol, they gotta make sure a lot of rules are explicitly restated. |
| 06:22.41 | Zhinjio | which is also the approach that most states are now taking towards medical marijuana. they want the revenue |
| 06:22.44 | Dagmar | Corrodias: It's a very _exciting_ example |
| 06:23.02 | Corrodias | i know i like thinking about it right now! |
| 06:23.02 | Dagmar | The revenue is substantial |
| 06:23.19 | Zhinjio | I think we'll see it decriminalized at a pretty much national level in my lifetime |
| 06:23.24 | Zhinjio | assuming I don't die too soon |
| 06:23.34 | Mirrored | the big difference is that prop 19 maintains some restrictions that are a bit "beyond" common sense, so to speak, whereas the above noted restriction on the use of hand axes is very intuitive |
| 06:23.43 | Dagmar | Corrodias: I went through this internal process of thinking about things you could buy and hold in your hand and then wreak great havoc with if used improperly |
| 06:23.49 | Dagmar | Chainsaws are a little bulky |
| 06:23.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: Katanas. |
| 06:24.00 | DWSR | Claymores. |
| 06:24.01 | Corrodias | any kid can go buy a machete |
| 06:24.03 | Zhinjio | Mirrored: can you give me an example? |
| 06:24.06 | DWSR | Machetes. |
| 06:24.10 | DWSR | Butterfly knifes. |
| 06:24.10 | Mirrored | prop 19 still keeps marijuana more strictly controlled than alcohol, even though it is objectively a much safer substance |
| 06:24.12 | Corrodias | there's no restriction a tall on buying one |
| 06:24.14 | DWSR | Gun |
| 06:24.17 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's an obvious weapon and there's actually restrictions on who those can be sold to |
| 06:24.21 | Zhinjio | I mean, of one of the restrictions that doesn't make sense? |
| 06:24.26 | Dagmar | Any kid can go to Ace Hardware and buy a hand axe |
| 06:24.37 | Dagmar | ...because it's not designed as a weapon |
| 06:25.18 | Dagmar | They have Shake-Weights at Walgreens now. |
| 06:25.26 | Zhinjio | har. |
| 06:25.26 | Corrodias | the handjob exerciser? |
| 06:25.28 | Zhinjio | those are hilarious |
| 06:25.30 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:25.34 | Corrodias | awesome. |
| 06:25.40 | Dagmar | I can't walk down that aisle without laughing |
| 06:25.46 | DWSR | btw. |
| 06:25.48 | DWSR | Box cutters. |
| 06:25.50 | DWSR | Good for weapon. |
| 06:25.51 | Corrodias | nothing like a little joint stress to make your product superior to regular weights |
| 06:25.58 | Zhinjio | Dagmar, are you a pharmacist? |
| 06:26.09 | Dagmar | Someone showed me this video of the Ellen Degeneres show and as if the commercial weren't bad enough... |
| 06:26.12 | Dagmar | Zhinjio: nope. |
| 06:26.20 | Zhinjio | do you work for Walgreens? |
| 06:26.29 | Mirrored | here, I guess this article is good enough http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html |
| 06:26.31 | Dagmar | No, I just stop there to buy a late dinner a few times a week |
| 06:26.34 | Zhinjio | just asking, because my wife is and does. |
| 06:26.35 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 06:26.39 | Mirrored | although it seems kind of biased in rhetoric |
| 06:27.55 | Dagmar | Yeah, there's also that the current mechanisms in place in California change things a bit |
| 06:28.12 | Dagmar | Following the strict interpretation of the law currently coupled with that bill, actually is as bad as they say |
| 06:28.24 | Dagmar | However, Humbolt County isn't about to shut down their growers |
| 06:28.49 | Corrodias | Mirrored: god damn, i hate white text on black backgrounds |
| 06:28.52 | Dagmar | So those earlier laws will continue to be selectively enforced |
| 06:28.58 | Dagmar | Corrodias: gray70 |
| 06:29.02 | Mirrored | well I didn't make the page -.- |
| 06:29.10 | Dagmar | THey needs it |
| 06:29.13 | Zhinjio | Mirrored: most of that seems to harsh on the idea that the state wants to make money on it, by forcing it to go through licensed dispensaries |
| 06:29.14 | Corrodias | what does that even mean? |
| 06:29.15 | Zhinjio | duh |
| 06:29.25 | Zhinjio | thats WHY they are going that route in the first place |
| 06:29.31 | Mirrored | well yeah |
| 06:29.41 | Dagmar | It's that it's so damn white compared to the rest of the page that makes it irksome |
| 06:29.48 | Zhinjio | so you can't buy from your buddy the dealer anymore. big fucking deal. |
| 06:29.54 | Dagmar | If they toned it down to grey70 it wouldn't suck so much |
| 06:30.01 | Mirrored | again, I'm not really a huge proponent of marijuana; I've never even smoked it |
| 06:30.10 | Mirrored | I just find the issue interesting |
| 06:30.11 | Zhinjio | go down to the corner store with the big pot leaf on the window and the license on the wall and buy the MUCH BETTER QUALITY shit there instead. |
| 06:30.20 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:30.20 | Dagmar | I'm interested in seeing it eventually replace alcohol |
| 06:30.23 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:30.42 | Zhinjio | I can speak from the way it has transformed the industry here in denver. |
| 06:30.46 | Zhinjio | and oh my heaven |
| 06:30.47 | Dagmar | Zhinjio: Anotehr problem. The shit they have in Cali is STRONG |
| 06:30.54 | Zhinjio | +s |
| 06:31.02 | Dagmar | Street kids sell bags that would do rock stars proud |
| 06:31.06 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:31.07 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 06:31.13 | DWSR | lol, the shit they have in BC is pretty dope too. |
| 06:31.16 | DWSR | Pardon the pun. |
| 06:31.22 | Zhinjio | well, I think thats fairly universal now |
| 06:31.34 | Dagmar | It was pretty funny out in SF seeing people who just moved there try to smoke pot |
| 06:31.43 | Zhinjio | blows the schwag I used to smoke in college 20 years ago right out of the ballpark |
| 06:31.49 | Dagmar | Three hits and they're getting red in the face lol |
| 06:31.52 | Zhinjio | yeah |
| 06:31.58 | Dagmar | "We warned you man" |
| 06:32.05 | Zhinjio | stuff these days puts me on the floor. Its alot of why I don't really do it anymore. |
| 06:32.16 | Zhinjio | I don't want to be knocked on the floor. |
| 06:32.20 | Zhinjio | I just want a nice mellow ride |
| 06:32.26 | Dagmar | I could never get anything done on it so I quit bothering |
| 06:32.28 | DWSR | Zhinjio: That's just physics at work. Your body is trying to acheive the lowest energy state possible. :P |
| 06:32.28 | Zhinjio | but apparently that isn't possible anymore. |
| 06:32.31 | Dagmar | Except housecleaning |
| 06:32.35 | Zhinjio | har |
| 06:32.41 | Zhinjio | anyway |
| 06:32.41 | Zhinjio | bed |
| 06:32.44 | Zhinjio | g'night y'all |
| 06:32.46 | DWSR | nn |
| 06:32.59 | Mike-N-Go | How do I find out what AddOn tossed "Interface Action failed because of an AddOn" |
| 06:33.08 | cogwheel | taint log |
| 06:33.15 | Dagmar | I decided I rather liked being able to look at a complex technical problem, construct a model of it in my head, and turn it this way and that |
| 06:33.20 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518903044 |
| 06:33.22 | Dagmar | Rather than just going "wow" and staring at the screen |
| 06:35.55 | Mirrored | so I've started to do this weird thing while coding where I will wiggle my fingers wildly while I'm thinking |
| 06:36.02 | Mirrored | I have no idea when it started or why |
| 06:38.50 | Dagmar | Maybe your fingers are actually getting tired |
| 06:39.29 | Mirrored | no, it's the opposite of that; it's like they're restless |
| 06:39.40 | Mirrored | like they desperately want to keep typing |
| 06:39.47 | Dagmar | Natural selection hasn't really been inclined to hook us up with adaptations that allow for extreme use of the digits |
| 06:40.05 | Dagmar | I just let 'em type what they want |
| 06:40.28 | Dagmar | Three years ago I was asked to clear the mail spool on a VMS system that I hadn't used in 15 years. |
| 06:40.32 | Mirrored | hhHUUHAudjkdgshjkthey daiasfjcnak fsiejk abuti I a vnvkjnkajn ; Oio ghuuhuanjntjn t aufhe |
| 06:40.38 | Mirrored | that is apparently what they want to type |
| 06:40.38 | Dagmar | I had *no* idea what to type. |
| 06:40.42 | Dagmar | I didn't even look at my fingers. |
| 06:40.53 | Dagmar | They remembered better than Idid |
| 06:41.17 | Mirrored | unfortunately, I am a very poor typist |
| 06:41.23 | Dagmar | I used to use that particular app for for at least four hours a day |
| 06:41.52 | Dagmar | It was kinda freaky |
| 06:42.26 | Dagmar | i can't even remember where the help system is on VMS anymore |
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| 06:44.19 | mikma | torhal: well, the tooltips you create, their height and width. |
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| 06:45.31 | industrial | http://i.imgur.com/4qWrp.png |
| 06:45.35 | industrial | hee hee :D |
| 06:45.45 | industrial | that = so me. |
| 06:46.21 | industrial | also howcome I can walk around in a tshirt at 1am but then at 8:46 when I wake up its fucking freezing again |
| 06:46.30 | industrial | (in a tshirt outside) |
| 06:47.01 | Trela | Due to how your body regulates temperature while you sleep. |
| 06:47.30 | Corrodias | and how is that? |
| 06:48.32 | Mirrored | it causes you to sleepwalk to pour a bucket of ice water on yourself |
| 06:48.50 | Trela | Some times you piss yourself to get warmer, etcetera. |
| 06:48.54 | Mirrored | don't ask where it gets the ice water, nobody knows; it is one of the greatestmysteries of science |
| 06:49.07 | Trela | Water ice! |
| 06:50.25 | Mirrored | soem scientists theorize that the human body naturally keeps a large bucket of water in the freezer and then initiates selective amnesia to convince itself that it does not exist |
| 06:51.02 | Mirrored | but experiments designed to test this theory are routinely misplaced and otherwise lost |
| 06:51.16 | Mirrored | the wonders of the human body *shrug* |
| 06:59.33 | Fisker | you can't stop me mikma |
| 06:59.43 | industrial | stops Fisker |
| 06:59.46 | industrial | Fisker: what now? |
| 07:00.00 | Mirrored | I should probably go to bed blah blah |
| 07:00.22 | Fisker | i'm not stopped industrial |
| 07:02.36 | industrial | I just bumped my foot into a solid object that's pretty painful to bump your foot into Fisker, and then I thought of you that moment. I don't know why. |
| 07:05.11 | Fisker | i once saw a bird industrial |
| 07:05.25 | industrial | rad |
| 07:06.57 | Fisker | buys cogwheel at an auction |
| 07:07.09 | cogwheel | Fisker: he called me a FUCK AS |
| 07:07.26 | Fisker | hmm |
| 07:07.30 | Fisker | that thread you linked |
| 07:07.36 | Fisker | that alestane guy seems familiar |
| 07:08.32 | Fisker | where do i know him from cogwheel ?! |
| 07:08.52 | cogwheel | wut thread? |
| 07:09.44 | cogwheel | Fisker: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/fromage.SC2Replay FUCK AS |
| 07:10.06 | mikma | fisker: we'll see |
| 07:10.28 | cogwheel | omg it's tomorrow |
| 07:11.07 | Fisker | i wouldn't watch it even if i was awesome cog|sleep |
| 07:11.20 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518903044 <-last page jerk |
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| 07:39.58 | Fisker | lets kill that stolenlegacy_ guy |
| 07:48.17 | cog|sleep | is not asleep yet... |
| 07:48.59 | cog|sleep | FISK AS |
| 07:50.03 | Fisker | hey cog|sleep |
| 07:50.09 | Fisker | why do you call me FISK AS? |
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| 07:50.48 | cog|sleep | cuz u wouldn't watch my replay |
| 07:51.22 | Fisker | i can't cog|sleep |
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| 07:51.55 | Fisker | i've been given a ban against assisting people with spreading twatter language |
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| 08:10.28 | robokitty | So much for that 10:10:10 @ 10/10/10 :/ |
| 08:10.48 | cog|sleep | 42 |
| 08:10.52 | Adys | #define truer 2 |
| 08:11.16 | cog|sleep | >< |
| 08:11.48 | Fisker | what do you mean robokitty ? |
| 08:11.50 | Adys | and it's 9:10:10. |
| 08:11.56 | Adys | was. |
| 08:12.47 | cog|sleep | no it's 1:12:37 |
| 08:14.06 | haste | I agree with robokitty |
| 08:16.12 | Fisker | so haste |
| 08:16.21 | Fisker | what profession should i have in cataclysm? |
| 08:16.53 | haste | blacksmithing and leatherworking! |
| 08:17.57 | Fisker | haha what |
| 08:18.10 | Fisker | turns out that's the 2 professions i'm missing :O |
| 08:19.00 | haste | clairvoyance, I has it |
| 08:20.22 | industrial | killed Scarlet High Clerist lv 63 rare elite at level 57 |
| 08:20.27 | industrial | >:3 |
| 08:20.47 | industrial | oh yeah, and around 10 mobs and some respawns /;p |
| 08:20.56 | industrial | go hunter \o/ |
| 08:21.10 | zenzelezz | http://cuteoverload.com/2010/10/07/this-just-in-tiger-surprise/ |
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| 08:36.12 | haste | 1034.22| "Garbage Collectors" has earned the achievement We Are Legendary! |
| 08:36.14 | haste | lulz |
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| 08:39.09 | Fisker | so |
| 08:39.16 | Fisker | roughly 4500g to skill blacksmithing :o |
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| 08:44.46 | stolenlegacy | Fisker: no |
| 08:46.47 | Fisker | stolenlegacy yes |
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| 08:57.13 | Adys | anyone logged on the beta? |
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| 08:59.11 | Fisker | haste did |
| 08:59.49 | haste | I'm on EU horde atm at least |
| 09:00.34 | Adys | dont worry about it |
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| 09:08.58 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:09.00 | jnwhiteh | what to code next |
| 09:09.07 | jnwhiteh | probably the options pages =/ |
| 09:09.14 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 09:09.18 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
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| 09:10.11 | jnwhiteh | licks tekkub |
| 09:10.40 | jnwhiteh | I am using 5x the files I used to use when writing addons |
| 09:10.50 | jnwhiteh | all because of the ... arguments we have |
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| 09:10.56 | Adys | jnwhiteh: what you working on? |
| 09:11.01 | jnwhiteh | Clique |
| 09:13.25 | Xinhuan | what has ... arguments got to do with number of files |
| 09:13.51 | nevcairiel | he doesnt have to create a table in global namespace so share stuff around |
| 09:14.11 | Xinhuan | oh that ... |
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| 09:42.03 | Fisker | if only you could get crafting hats like cooking hats |
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| 09:47.00 | industrial | Fisker: you already have a troll hat. |
| 09:47.06 | industrial | BUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN |
| 09:47.09 | industrial | N |
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| 09:57.33 | Fisker | n |
| 09:58.57 | Adys | o |
| 09:59.05 | Fisker | p |
| 09:59.43 | cbreak | anyone else of you SC2 players had this issue: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/708321076? |
| 10:01.19 | Fisker | buy a pc cbreak |
| 10:01.27 | cbreak | won't help |
| 10:01.32 | cbreak | well... right... |
| 10:01.38 | cbreak | PCs can't reach an uptime of 25 days |
| 10:01.39 | cbreak | I forgot |
| 10:01.48 | cbreak | but that's not the kind of solution I am hoping for |
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| 10:01.57 | Fisker | PC's don't have the issue |
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| 10:03.54 | cbreak | it's Starcraft that has the issue |
| 10:05.08 | Torhal | mikma: Based on FontString width and height, plus padding/margin |
| 10:06.10 | mikma | torhal: mmkay |
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| 10:06.36 | Fisker | not Starcraft 2 for Windows cbreak |
| 10:06.37 | Angayelle | hai people |
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| 10:14.44 | Xinhuan | cbreak |
| 10:14.49 | Xinhuan | you're the one that posted that? |
| 10:14.58 | cbreak | yes |
| 10:15.11 | Xinhuan | System Boot Time: 9/14/2010, 11:30:53 PM |
| 10:15.19 | Xinhuan | current time for me is 6.14pm oct 10 |
| 10:15.27 | Xinhuan | you tell me if 25 days has passed on my system lol |
| 10:15.53 | Xinhuan | then i'll run sc2 ;p |
| 10:16.40 | cbreak | 26 |
| 10:17.04 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 10:17.11 | Xinhuan | runs sc2 |
| 10:18.23 | Xinhuan | i am able to log in fine |
| 10:18.32 | Xinhuan | this is on the SEA servers |
| 10:18.51 | Fisker | that's because you don't use macs |
| 10:18.55 | Fisker | cause you can computer |
| 10:19.08 | cbreak | platform? |
| 10:19.25 | Xinhuan | ok its win 7-64 |
| 10:19.29 | Xinhuan | but it could be platform specific |
| 10:19.31 | Xinhuan | so |
| 10:19.41 | cbreak | probably |
| 10:19.43 | Xinhuan | i don't know if you can find another macOS guy with at least 25 days uptime |
| 10:19.52 | Fisker | i'm guessing macs can't count to 2^31 |
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| 10:20.13 | cbreak | count the bits in a long long |
| 10:20.39 | Xinhuan | speaking of which, i should create my NA account now |
| 10:20.46 | Xinhuan | since i get free access NA region |
| 10:20.59 | cbreak | why? |
| 10:21.29 | Xinhuan | all players on SEA servers also get a liscense to play on NA servers |
| 10:21.47 | cbreak | sounds unfair |
| 10:21.47 | Xinhuan | its one-way, if you're wondering |
| 10:22.02 | Xinhuan | all along from 1998, all SEA players have always played on USWest servers |
| 10:22.04 | Xinhuan | so hardly |
| 10:22.11 | Xinhuan | we just want to play with our NA friends |
| 10:22.30 | cbreak | so... me too |
| 10:22.47 | Fisker | lol you can only have 1NA or 1 SEA? |
| 10:22.51 | Fisker | what a bunch of jerks |
| 10:23.08 | Xinhuan | no, we get both NA and SEA ;p |
| 10:23.33 | Fisker | why do you call it oneway then? |
| 10:23.48 | nevcairiel | I need a raid on the beta, EU Alliance, anyone online? |
| 10:23.50 | Xinhuan | because SEA accounts get NA free |
| 10:23.57 | Xinhuan | NA accounts can't access SEA |
| 10:24.03 | Xinhuan | so its one-way |
| 10:24.22 | Fisker | i disagree with that terminology |
| 10:24.22 | Xinhuan | so if you log in to us.battle.net, there's actually 2 sc2 accounts on it |
| 10:24.52 | Xinhuan | also it might be of note to you that the SEA region sells sc2 at the standard retail price of $82 USD |
| 10:24.59 | Xinhuan | across the SEA region |
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| 10:25.31 | Xinhuan | the high cost reason is mainly cited as having to set up local servers and bandwidth costs 10x as much as in the states |
| 10:25.40 | harl | wuff! |
| 10:25.45 | Xinhuan | so the double region access sort of mitigates the price factor |
| 10:27.06 | cbreak | price factor? |
| 10:27.18 | Xinhuan | the fact that it only costs $59 in the US |
| 10:27.22 | cbreak | standard retail price for sc2 here is around 78$ |
| 10:27.28 | Xinhuan | or at least, on amazon |
| 10:27.29 | cbreak | and we don't get access to the NA servers |
| 10:28.03 | Xinhuan | i don't know about EU servers much |
| 10:28.27 | Xinhuan | but i can tell you currently, there's only about 2000 games of sc2 on bnet, and about 10x that amount on US servers |
| 10:28.44 | Xinhuan | the population in the sea region is so dismal people are just migrating |
| 10:28.55 | cbreak | I can't tell you how many games there are on EU servers because the game doesn't want to start... |
| 10:29.02 | Xinhuan | reboot ;p |
| 10:29.09 | cbreak | ... I planed it for this afternoon |
| 10:33.03 | cbreak | but I got into gold league 1v1 |
| 10:33.08 | cbreak | and I am not that good at all |
| 10:33.11 | cbreak | barely played sc1 |
| 10:33.22 | cbreak | so... I doubt there's a lot of population |
| 10:35.34 | Xinhuan | well its certainly 10x more at least |
| 10:35.56 | Xinhuan | and note that its like evenings now in SEA and past midnight in US |
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| 10:36.29 | cbreak | it's a weekend night, so many addicts will probably play :) |
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| 11:05.47 | jnwhiteh | fucking checkboxes. |
| 11:05.49 | jnwhiteh | seriously. |
| 11:06.02 | jnwhiteh | screams |
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| 11:06.11 | Fisker | checks a box |
| 11:07.02 | EthanCentaurai | jnwhiteh: Happy 42 :) |
| 11:07.08 | jnwhiteh | indeed! |
| 11:11.14 | Fisker | huh EthanCentaurai ? |
| 11:11.20 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:11.23 | Fisker | I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE |
| 11:11.34 | EthanCentaurai | grins. |
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| 11:47.18 | zenzelezz | "December 7th is the WORST week to release Cata" - "<Moderator Edit: Who cares about your exams. And why should non lawyers know about a law exam acronym. Pointless whine thread is pointless whine thread. Locking thread>" |
| 11:49.15 | zenzelezz | I find it intriguing that there's always someone who believes that because they are busy on a release date, everyone else is too |
| 11:51.52 | zenzelezz | "Oh, and I don't plan on rushing to 85. I plan on rerolling. The main issue here is that if there is a new server and it releases that Wednesday or whatever, that will be a huge problem for me as quick leveling on a new server is very important. If you know what you're doing and you get gold quickly, you can set yourself up to rule the economy by buying things at ridiculously low prices and then waiting a few months and selling th |
| 11:51.53 | zenzelezz | em." |
| 11:52.22 | zenzelezz | clearly this is enough reason for Blizzard to postpone the release, wouldn't want you to miss out on being the lead economist on a new realm! |
| 11:52.43 | nevcairiel | did they even drop any info on new realms for release? |
| 11:52.49 | A-KO | I don't think they will |
| 11:52.53 | zenzelezz | not that I heard |
| 11:54.03 | Jamash | there should be a way to punish tanks for leaving after the second boss in HoR |
| 11:54.13 | Jamash | like making them put up a 100g deposit |
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| 11:54.45 | Jamash | or maybe 1000g |
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| 11:59.42 | amro | Jamash: forcing them to do occulus 3 times in a row without drops would do it |
| 11:59.59 | zenzelezz | "I bet a good 5 to 10 thousand people will have their WoW experiences disturbed by the LSAT. " - oh no, less than 0.25% |
| 12:00.11 | Jamash | how about if you leave an instance partway through you can't requeue for it for another 24 hours |
| 12:00.27 | Jamash | even for regular instances |
| 12:00.46 | zenzelezz | Jamash: are these tanks doing HoR for the weapons (or some other item) from the first two bosses? |
| 12:00.52 | Jamash | shield |
| 12:01.31 | Jamash | at this point I'm going to make the next tank swear on his mother's life that he's not going to leave after the 2nd boss (if he's a warrior or paladin) |
| 12:01.55 | Jamash | and if he promises, then leaves, report him to the GM, and if he won't promise, vote kick |
| 12:02.45 | Jamash | actually I might just start initiating kick votes for all paladins or warrior tanks |
| 12:03.34 | Jamash | why doesn't blizzard put shields on badge vendors |
| 12:03.50 | Jamash | they're about as useless to the general population as relics |
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| 12:04.40 | Jamash | "we're going to put half your armor on one item and then make it impossible to upgrade" |
| 12:05.21 | amro | yeah it's retarded |
| 12:06.09 | Jamash | but I don't get why tanks are so mindlessly focused on getting a 219 epic that they're willing to take the deserter debuff and screw over their group |
| 12:07.10 | Fisker | what item is that? :O |
| 12:07.29 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 12:07.31 | Jamash | Splintered Door of the Citadel |
| 12:07.39 | Fisker | December 7th is the worst day to release cataclysm!111111 |
| 12:08.04 | cbreak | why? |
| 12:08.12 | Fisker | because of pearl harbor |
| 12:08.20 | cbreak | what's that? |
| 12:08.27 | cbreak | you're japanese? |
| 12:08.27 | Fisker | a naval base |
| 12:08.37 | Fisker | not me cbreak :o |
| 12:08.38 | zenzelezz | is the wowhead item comparison not working at the moment, or am I just completed dense on how to use it? |
| 12:08.49 | Jamash | sometimes it's kind of funky |
| 12:08.56 | Fisker | but someone seriously went ahead and said that the release date was offensive becaused it shared anniversary with the attack on pearl harbor |
| 12:09.01 | Fisker | seriously, wat. |
| 12:09.13 | cbreak | oh, tragic |
| 12:09.28 | cbreak | every date shares an anniversary with something bad |
| 12:09.30 | cbreak | and something good |
| 12:09.35 | zenzelezz | I tried clicking the "Example" link on the item comparison page, and even that doesn't load for me |
| 12:09.50 | Fisker | yeah cbreak :D |
| 12:09.54 | cbreak | approximately one in 365.25 people have their birthday on it |
| 12:10.07 | Fisker | Even funnier was when he said |
| 12:10.15 | Fisker | "December 7th is not a day for amusement" |
| 12:10.28 | Fisker | So basically he's saying that when something bad happens, you're not allowed to have fun on that day, EVER |
| 12:10.29 | amro | december 7th is when I met your mom |
| 12:11.11 | amro | what if 9/11 was on 7/4? |
| 12:11.21 | cbreak | what if americans would use sane date ordering? |
| 12:11.38 | cbreak | it should be year, month, dah! |
| 12:11.56 | Jamash | but that doesn't have a cute abbreviation |
| 12:11.58 | cbreak | I bet wikipedia has something bad for every day :) |
| 12:12.00 | Fisker | day, month, year |
| 12:12.02 | Jamash | DDMMYYYY is dummy |
| 12:12.08 | Jamash | MMDDYYYY is dummy |
| 12:12.08 | Fisker | no it's awesome |
| 12:12.13 | cbreak | day, month, year is bad. |
| 12:12.17 | Jamash | s/dummy/muddy/ |
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| 12:12.21 | cbreak | most significant first! |
| 12:12.29 | Jamash | YYYYMMDD is... yummdy? |
| 12:12.30 | Fisker | YYYYMMDD is only good when you're lazy in computing |
| 12:12.30 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 12:12.43 | cbreak | it's an ISO standard. |
| 12:12.54 | cbreak | and it's reasonable |
| 12:12.56 | Jamash | I always use yyyymmdd when given a choice |
| 12:13.12 | cbreak | me too. people only get it 50% of the time... |
| 12:13.13 | Jamash | unfortunately forms in the USA are always mmddyyyy (or mmddyy even worse) |
| 12:13.19 | cbreak | especially when I use double digit year |
| 12:13.24 | cbreak | 10.10.10 :) |
| 12:13.30 | Jamash | omg! |
| 12:13.32 | A-KO | I wish the US would just switch already :P But we're too fucking stubborn to do it. |
| 12:13.32 | TMc51 | binary day |
| 12:13.42 | A-KO | Metric/Proper date ordering = evil communist |
| 12:13.43 | amro | cbreak: that's not a valid argument |
| 12:13.47 | amro | the standard is arbitrary |
| 12:13.59 | cbreak | of course it is. but it is reasonable |
| 12:14.09 | cbreak | most significant first has nice properties for sorting |
| 12:14.10 | amro | it's reasonable to adhere to a standard |
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| 12:14.18 | cbreak | and it's also the way numbers are laid out |
| 12:14.21 | amro | because we're all list processors eh? |
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| 12:14.28 | Jamash | I wish the USA would give up non-metric units, MMDDYY dates, 1 and 5 cent pieces, and christian fundamentalism |
| 12:14.28 | A-KO | I'm dead serious, in fact, if you go out and ask rednecks in the US why we don't use the metric system of measuring--they'll either argue "what's metric?" or "it's what those hippy European Communists use, isn't it?" |
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| 12:14.37 | Jamash | ^ |
| 12:14.39 | cbreak | for example, the number 12345 has the most significant number first |
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| 12:14.57 | Fisker | day is the most significant number |
| 12:15.07 | cbreak | (of course, first when read from left to right... which is standard reading direction for english and many other languages) |
| 12:15.16 | A-KO | Jamash: It costs more to produce a 1 cent piece than it's worth :P |
| 12:15.17 | cbreak | year is more significant than day |
| 12:15.19 | Jamash | no, your mom's telephone number is the most significant number |
| 12:15.30 | Fisker | i disagree cbreak |
| 12:15.45 | amro | how often do you mention a year? |
| 12:15.51 | amro | unless you're a historian, not very often |
| 12:15.54 | cbreak | in what context? |
| 12:16.18 | A-KO | year is most significant in that it's all encompassing, it changes less--just like in IP scheme, the left-most bits are more significant, whereas in DNS, the rightmost is most significant :P |
| 12:16.18 | cbreak | I use years when I want to denote a point in time |
| 12:16.20 | amro | most dates people deal with are within the upcoming year, there's no need to mention the year |
| 12:16.21 | cbreak | always. |
| 12:16.25 | amro | so does everyone else |
| 12:16.31 | amro | but not when talking about the same year |
| 12:16.38 | Jamash | We're talking about writing stuff down. When writing stuff down, year is always most significant |
| 12:16.41 | amro | surely you don't mention the day's date when you ask someone to meet you in 2 hours? |
| 12:16.50 | cbreak | I don't use years at all if I want to denote a point within the range of about 3 to 4 months |
| 12:17.03 | A-KO | That said, year is also the least important to know, so DDMMYYYY is IMO proper for a left-right writing system and reading system |
| 12:17.04 | amro | Jamash: writing something down doesn't mean you're archiving it |
| 12:17.04 | Jamash | I wish I could kill the authors of web pages that say "this page updated march 13th" |
| 12:17.07 | cbreak | unless that is not clear from the context |
| 12:17.18 | Jamash | WHAT YEAR |
| 12:17.31 | cbreak | but it is important to realize that stating that 10.10 does NOT describe a point in time |
| 12:17.31 | amro | sure, but that has nothing to do with ordering |
| 12:17.42 | Humbedooh | Jamash: the 13th year obviously |
| 12:17.47 | Jamash | el oh el |
| 12:17.51 | cbreak | it describes a day in a year, so a set of points in time, where the size of a point is one day |
| 12:17.59 | amro | and stating "john" does not absolutely denote a person, yet we don't say the full name and date of birth each time do we? |
| 12:18.23 | A-KO | amro: that's because we have language context that "John" is a proper noun |
| 12:18.45 | cbreak | similarly, I don't mention the month at all, if I want to denote a day within the next approximate 20 days |
| 12:18.53 | cbreak | unless that is not clear from the context |
| 12:19.03 | amro | exactly, so what's your point? |
| 12:19.06 | A-KO | I use UTC dates for everything! makes sending e-mails more interesting |
| 12:19.41 | cbreak | I always use year-mont-day ordering |
| 12:19.47 | cbreak | because that is the most reasonable choice |
| 12:19.52 | Jamash | I use modified julian days |
| 12:19.52 | cbreak | but I don't always use all fields |
| 12:19.56 | A-KO | lol Jamash |
| 12:20.03 | amro | so is 10-10 october 2010? |
| 12:20.07 | amro | or is it 10 of october of some year? |
| 12:20.16 | cbreak | depends on context |
| 12:20.17 | amro | see the problem with having year up first |
| 12:20.19 | cbreak | it's not fully specified |
| 12:20.19 | amro | depends |
| 12:20.21 | amro | exactly |
| 12:20.23 | amro | confusion and shit |
| 12:20.29 | A-KO | There will be another 10-10-10 in 100 years :P |
| 12:20.29 | cbreak | it could be this whole october |
| 12:20.30 | amro | that's why mmddyy/ddmmyy is better |
| 12:20.42 | cbreak | it's not better |
| 12:20.44 | A-KO | MMDDYY is terribly not better |
| 12:20.44 | amro | it is |
| 12:20.47 | cbreak | what would 10.10 be? |
| 12:20.51 | Jamash | right now it's 55479.51397 |
| 12:20.52 | A-KO | DDMMYYYY |
| 12:20.58 | Fisker | cbreak why are you suddenly comparing leaving out YYYY as being less important? |
| 12:20.59 | Fisker | :o |
| 12:20.59 | A-KO | Jamash: I use stardates |
| 12:21.06 | amro | it could be the 10th of october, or it could be 10th of october. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH |
| 12:21.08 | amro | so confusing |
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| 12:21.15 | nevcairiel | YYYY-MM-DD .. also sorts properly without custom magic, enough eason :p |
| 12:21.16 | Jamash | if I want to be clear I say ddMMMyyyy |
| 12:21.24 | Jamash | ie 10DEC2010 |
| 12:21.25 | cbreak | Fisker: Things that can be infered from context don't need to be mentioned |
| 12:21.40 | A-KO | Actually, I usually put years in all of my e-mails so later on if someone needs to research what happened, it's easier to figure out when XYZ happened rather than try to figure it out based on the e-mail time, etc. |
| 12:21.40 | Jamash | er 10OCT2010 |
| 12:21.42 | Jamash | :P |
| 12:21.43 | A-KO | they can just read, figure ito ut |
| 12:21.50 | Jamash | ^ |
| 12:22.12 | cbreak | Fisker: that's mostly in human language |
| 12:22.27 | A-KO | I mean, obviously, I don't if it's a casual thing, "Hey, we're having a meeting next Tuesday"--but if it's like, a change going in to our environment, or a big thing that will happen, I put the year. |
| 12:22.41 | A-KO | "On Tuesday, March 25th, 2011 at 9:00AM I'm going to do XYZ" |
| 12:22.43 | A-KO | etc. |
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| 12:22.58 | amro | man, suing you must be easy A-KO |
| 12:23.04 | cbreak | why do people still use AM and PM? it's dumb |
| 12:23.14 | amro | okay, now I see your stance |
| 12:23.16 | A-KO | cbreak: Actually, on all ofm y stuff I use 24-hour time, but most other people here don't :P |
| 12:23.18 | amro | anyone who doesn't do what you do is dumb |
| 12:23.28 | Humbedooh | pfft, just because 12:00 is earlier than 1:00? ;> |
| 12:23.41 | cbreak | Humbedooh: it is? |
| 12:23.52 | Humbedooh | isn't it? |
| 12:23.59 | A-KO | cbreak: In fact, I have coworkers that have severe difficulty using 24-hour time, they still call it "military time", and they don't know off the top of their heads the conversion.... |
| 12:24.01 | amro | it is |
| 12:24.03 | amro | there's no 00:00 |
| 12:24.05 | A-KO | I've used C and 24-hour clock for years :P |
| 12:24.08 | nevcairiel | 12:00 today is earlier then 1:00 tomorrow |
| 12:24.09 | nevcairiel | doh! |
| 12:24.10 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 12:24.13 | Humbedooh | 12:30 + one hour = 01:30 |
| 12:24.16 | cbreak | more because 12 PM comes after 11 AM |
| 12:24.18 | A-KO | I prefer 24 hour time, it's easier also |
| 12:24.19 | Humbedooh | in redneck time |
| 12:24.23 | A-KO | lol Humbedooh |
| 12:24.24 | cbreak | and 12 AM comes after 11 PM |
| 12:24.30 | cbreak | that's the main reason I think it's dumb |
| 12:24.41 | amro | because you can't keep track of it? |
| 12:24.52 | A-KO | I hate 12 hour clocks because when scheduling crap in a computer, is 3:00 AM or PM? morning or night? |
| 12:24.56 | A-KO | but if I know 3:00 and 15:00 |
| 12:24.59 | A-KO | it's easier, by far |
| 12:25.26 | cbreak | no one around here uses AM and PM, but many watches support it |
| 12:25.33 | cbreak | even though there's no point |
| 12:25.35 | Dagmar | If you can't tell AM from PM you are broken. |
| 12:26.08 | A-KO | Dagmar: I just think it's easier from the numbers rather than having to put an extra notation at the end indicating which half of the day it is |
| 12:26.09 | cbreak | what did they stand for again? |
| 12:26.22 | Humbedooh | ante medium, post medium |
| 12:26.27 | Dagmar | Ante-meridian, post-meridian. |
| 12:26.39 | cbreak | oh, so it's related with the position of the sun |
| 12:26.49 | A-KO | yeah cbreak |
| 12:26.57 | cbreak | unless you have sumer time |
| 12:27.00 | A-KO | still, a 24 hour clock is better |
| 12:27.09 | Dagmar | Actually I spelled it wrong... Hadda check. meridiem |
| 12:27.20 | cbreak | if you live near a time zone boundary |
| 12:27.24 | Dagmar | f'ing Old English |
| 12:27.29 | Humbedooh | it's the gist that counts, dag |
| 12:27.29 | cbreak | maybe you get 12:30 am |
| 12:27.33 | cbreak | and then 12:31 pm |
| 12:27.47 | Dagmar | Yeah it's not like that damn many people from around that time could read or write anyway |
| 12:27.50 | A-KO | living near a time zone boundary would kill me |
| 12:28.06 | amro | cbreak: it's notlike those people use am/pm |
| 12:28.16 | amro | strawman less please |
| 12:28.22 | A-KO | you move between your friend's houses and it could be 12P or 1P |
| 12:28.27 | cbreak | I don't do strawmans |
| 12:28.29 | TMc51 | would suck being by a boundary. take a few steps to the left, and go back in time, a few to the right, and travel forward. |
| 12:28.50 | amro | I dunno. quite a few excuses for being late imo |
| 12:28.52 | Dagmar | You're saying all this in the presence of someone who works from noon to midnight thirty, and used to do it on graveyards. |
| 12:29.01 | A-KO | TMc51: it screwed me up when I was attending an event and thought I was running late, I did like 80 down the highway and ended up in central time and was an hour early |
| 12:29.06 | Dagmar | ...who thinks this clock problem is a sign you're mentally handicapped. |
| 12:29.51 | cbreak | who is? |
| 12:30.20 | Dagmar | Well, I'll start with the camp thinking AM/PM is somehow hard, even across time zone lines |
| 12:30.33 | cbreak | it's stupid, not hard :) |
| 12:30.39 | nevcairiel | I dont think anyone said its hard |
| 12:30.41 | cbreak | stupid as in badly designed |
| 12:30.42 | nevcairiel | just that its dumb |
| 12:30.42 | Humbedooh | it's unnecessary |
| 12:31.24 | Dagmar | Have you thought for just one moment about the technology available when a 12-hour clock was invented? |
| 12:31.35 | cbreak | yes... |
| 12:31.38 | A-KO | yes, but we have better technology now |
| 12:31.39 | A-KO | :P |
| 12:31.41 | TMc51 | cogs and sprockets, the good ol' days |
| 12:31.49 | A-KO | there's no need for its existence |
| 12:31.56 | amro | there's no need for its uprooting |
| 12:31.57 | zenzelezz | I'm disappointed that Australians seem to use the metric system, but still use the 12-hour AM/PM time thing |
| 12:31.57 | A-KO | just like there's no need for the imperial measuring system |
| 12:31.57 | cbreak | I am from switzerland, clocks are quite common here... |
| 12:31.59 | nevcairiel | what does that have to do with technology? |
| 12:32.04 | Dagmar | In a lot of places for some time, "high noon" was the only accurate time available |
| 12:32.09 | nevcairiel | I mean, when we have a analog clock on the wall, its still a 12 hour clock |
| 12:32.15 | amro | A-KO: did am/pm ever crash a spacecraft? |
| 12:32.24 | cbreak | analog watches don't show am/pm usually |
| 12:32.30 | zenzelezz | computers don't use AM/PM |
| 12:32.35 | Dagmar | They just run 'round twice a day |
| 12:32.35 | A-KO | amro: metric never crashed a spacecraft--it was idiot scientists who didn't do the conversion that crashed the spacecraft :P |
| 12:32.49 | amro | A-KO: I wasn't blaming metric |
| 12:32.52 | amro | I was blaming imperial |
| 12:33.07 | Dagmar | There's nothing stupid about it, it's just meta-data |
| 12:33.11 | Legorol | speaking of 12am and 12pm, i always get confused on this one: the middle of the night, is that 12pm or 12am? |
| 12:33.14 | amro | and my point is am/pm is not as bad as imperial system |
| 12:33.21 | amro | I mean fuck |
| 12:33.22 | Dagmar | Mental damage. |
| 12:33.26 | Humbedooh | that's 12 am |
| 12:33.26 | amro | it's so easy |
| 12:33.31 | Dagmar | Legorol: 12am is midnight |
| 12:33.36 | amro | it's the same information |
| 12:33.36 | Legorol | hm.. so it's 12pm at noon? |
| 12:33.38 | zenzelezz | on the subject of weird stuff, was the railroad track width based on some old measurement system? |
| 12:33.38 | A-KO | yes |
| 12:33.47 | Dagmar | Legorol: Yes. |
| 12:33.48 | cbreak | Legorol: apparently 12 pm is after 11 am |
| 12:33.49 | Legorol | >.< why is 11am not followed by 12am? |
| 12:33.49 | amro | converting from 12hour to 24hour is instantaneous |
| 12:33.50 | nevcairiel | Legorol: thats why its dumb :p |
| 12:33.51 | amro | in your head |
| 12:33.55 | amro | no reason why it should ever cause a problem |
| 12:33.58 | Legorol | ack, headache.. this is why i always get confused |
| 12:34.01 | Dagmar | cbreak: IMAGINE THAT! |
| 12:34.05 | Legorol | thanks |
| 12:34.09 | A-KO | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Metric_system_adoption_map.svg < countries which use the metric system |
| 12:34.12 | cbreak | Dagmar: imagine... what? |
| 12:34.36 | Dagmar | It is POST meridien, that's why |
| 12:34.45 | Dagmar | I swear to god this is not hard. |
| 12:34.45 | Humbedooh | well not at 12 exactly |
| 12:34.49 | Humbedooh | then it's neither ;p |
| 12:34.55 | nebula | w /hi5 antarctica |
| 12:35.00 | nevcairiel | bet we can convert the antarctica before the US |
| 12:35.09 | cbreak | 12:00 is only post meridian in the exact center of a time zone |
| 12:35.16 | Dagmar | Hour twelve is the first one that comes (ideally) after the sun reaches the highest point in tht sky |
| 12:35.16 | cbreak | at the boundaries it's later or earlier |
| 12:35.19 | A-KO | actulaly nevcairiel, I would suspect that antarctica is metric |
| 12:35.35 | Dagmar | Guys for fuck's sake |
| 12:35.36 | zenzelezz | doesn't Antarctica use mostly whatever the people in the region want to? Thought they were all different kinds of nationalities |
| 12:35.37 | nevcairiel | being a big science station, it would make sense |
| 12:35.39 | TMc51 | I'd hate to chjange to metric. I prefer my engine sizes in imperial, than you very much. :@ |
| 12:35.45 | Dagmar | People have been having no problems with this for *hundreds* of years |
| 12:35.53 | amro | yep |
| 12:35.56 | Humbedooh | doesn't make it less stupid ;p |
| 12:35.58 | Dagmar | It's the ultimate in people-friendly notation |
| 12:35.59 | cbreak | and with time zone I mean meridian based zones, not those strangely shaped things they make to make it practical |
| 12:36.06 | amro | it's not stupid at all |
| 12:36.08 | A-KO | Dagmar: Sure, but right now, the rest of the world uses something different. It's confusing to do it any other way |
| 12:36.09 | nevcairiel | People are dumb |
| 12:36.17 | amro | stop trying to find reasons to call things stupid |
| 12:36.20 | amro | it doesn't make you look smart |
| 12:36.26 | nevcairiel | They wont know they are havign a problem until they tried a ebtter way |
| 12:36.30 | Humbedooh | but it's styyypid! |
| 12:36.37 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: for people who're only taught 24-hour time, 12-hour isn't always intuitive |
| 12:36.43 | A-KO | precisely |
| 12:36.44 | Dagmar | A-ko: YOU find a good way to get the entire world to use a different clock, and NOT have it cost more than it's worth bothering |
| 12:36.48 | amro | nevcairiel: oh please, 95% of people won't benefit from 24hour |
| 12:36.51 | A-KO | Dagmar: It's really only the US |
| 12:36.53 | A-KO | that uses 12 hour time |
| 12:36.54 | amro | it's not like my grandmother does any scheduling |
| 12:37.00 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: You weren't taught it correctly if it's confusing at all |
| 12:37.09 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: we weren't taught 12-hour *at all* |
| 12:37.11 | A-KO | Dagmar: The rest of the world *doesn't use it* |
| 12:37.18 | zenzelezz | hour day goes from 0:00 to 23:59 |
| 12:37.22 | amro | A-KO: yeah it does |
| 12:37.22 | zenzelezz | ... *our |
| 12:37.25 | Dagmar | ...and part of it is probably a lack of sociology curriculum |
| 12:37.26 | cbreak | the only people I have seen use am/pm were foreigners |
| 12:37.34 | cbreak | from the united states |
| 12:37.47 | amro | and of course anecdoctal evidence is the best there is |
| 12:37.49 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that's a valid point of view, but not one I share |
| 12:37.53 | nevcairiel | Don't mind the US guy, he thinks everyone does as they do, its a common mistake on their end |
| 12:37.58 | amro | since you say so cbreak, I'm gonna concede here |
| 12:38.04 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: It's an accurate point of view |
| 12:38.15 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I disagree |
| 12:38.15 | A-KO | The 12-hour clock is however still dominant in a handful of countries,[1] particularly in Australia, Canada (except Quebec), India, the Philippines, Pakistan and the United States |
| 12:38.30 | Humbedooh | how is it even a valid point? :p |
| 12:38.31 | Dagmar | "The clock" has been around for several hundred years now. The idea of subdividing time into chunks so that one may plan their day a bit better |
| 12:38.39 | Dagmar | Because mainly IT MATTERED. |
| 12:38.56 | Humbedooh | you want us to learn about yards, fathoms, "a stick of butter", a cup of flour etc etc as well? |
| 12:38.56 | Dagmar | If you didn't have torches, and you screwed around and didn't get things done in time, *your ass was sitting in the dark* |
| 12:39.00 | cbreak | the main reason that clocks were important was not planing of a day |
| 12:39.03 | cbreak | it was navigation |
| 12:39.11 | Dagmar | Noon, and wwhen it happened, _mattered |
| 12:39.17 | cbreak | naval navigation required exact time keeping |
| 12:39.37 | Dagmar | ...because by the time noon rolls around you have to have your whatever half done, or you'll be doing it in the dark and possibly being eaten by something |
| 12:40.02 | A-KO | Dagmar: But we don't have that problem today |
| 12:40.05 | A-KO | so how is this relevant? |
| 12:40.06 | A-KO | not to mention |
| 12:40.09 | Dagmar | So, this is why AM/PM mattered to people. |
| 12:40.09 | cbreak | for everything else, approximate measures were enough |
| 12:40.14 | Humbedooh | and it doesn't explain am/pm either ;p |
| 12:40.15 | A-KO | all we are doing, is a measurement. |
| 12:40.23 | cbreak | so a central time keeper like a church clock tower was more than enough |
| 12:40.30 | Humbedooh | 11:00 and 13:00 ain't crappier than 11:00 and 1:00 |
| 12:40.32 | Dagmar | A-KO: LIke I said, YOU find a way to make the world convert to something else then |
| 12:40.41 | nevcairiel | The world did convert |
| 12:40.49 | nevcairiel | except some 3rd world countries and the US |
| 12:40.58 | A-KO | exactly nevcairiel |
| 12:41.10 | A-KO | Dagmar: "The World" Is larger than the United States :P |
| 12:41.26 | Humbedooh | lies! |
| 12:41.30 | cbreak | the united states are about ... 10% of the world? |
| 12:41.35 | cbreak | population wise? |
| 12:41.35 | amro | I still don't see any objective arguments why am/pm is 'dumb' |
| 12:41.42 | Dagmar | Yet they're apparently really popular to blame |
| 12:41.43 | Humbedooh | 5% I'd say |
| 12:41.48 | Dagmar | We didn't invent that fucking clock. |
| 12:41.50 | nevcairiel | amro: its unnecessary |
| 12:41.53 | nebula | I live in the US and I used 24 hr time |
| 12:42.06 | cbreak | amro: you didn't red what I said ages ago? The main reason it's dumb is that 12pm is after 11am. That's an irregularity. Irregularities are dumb. |
| 12:42.08 | nebula | am and pm are just silly |
| 12:42.22 | zenzelezz | let's not start going by % of population, or we'll all be overrun by Indian and Chinese stuff |
| 12:42.26 | cbreak | it would be much better if it was 0 to 11 |
| 12:42.33 | Dagmar | cbreak: BLame the romans for how they start numbering |
| 12:42.33 | amro | cbreak: it's not an irregularity. it only is if you don't know wtf you're talking about |
| 12:42.34 | A-KO | The 24-hour clock is a convention of time keeping in which the day runs from midnight to midnight and is divided into 24 hours, indicated by the hours passed since midnight, from 0 to 23. This system is the most commonly used time notation in the world today.[1] The 12-hour clock is however still dominant in a handful of countries,[1] particularly in Australia, Canada (except Quebec), India, |
| 12:42.34 | A-KO | the Philippines, Pakistan and the United States. In many countries, both time systems are used, although 12-hour time is mostly used in speech for ease of use, and 24 hour time is preferred in writing |
| 12:42.44 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/VNrdC.jpg |
| 12:42.44 | amro | 12:30 at midday is in the second hal fof the day |
| 12:42.52 | amro | use your head for a second, and you'll see that it makes perfect sense |
| 12:43.17 | cbreak | doesn't make sense. |
| 12:43.19 | nevcairiel | (fwiw, US is the 3rd largest country on the world, population wise, yet still only with 4.5%, so no, not "the world") |
| 12:43.20 | TMc51 | Fisker that pic is only true for the redneck populaton of the US. =P |
| 12:43.28 | Dagmar | This isn't like the number 20 is composed of 2 in the tens place man |
| 12:43.37 | amro | cbreak: you fail at logic |
| 12:43.40 | cbreak | no. |
| 12:43.45 | Dagmar | The AM/PM and the number of the hour are *not* related in that way |
| 12:43.45 | amro | yes |
| 12:43.46 | cbreak | I got excellent grades in logic |
| 12:43.49 | cbreak | so shut up |
| 12:43.58 | cbreak | with your ad hominem attacks |
| 12:44.03 | cbreak | if you have nothing to say, say nothing. |
| 12:44.04 | Dagmar | You're looking at two different measures of time and thinking that they are one. That is incorrect. |
| 12:44.10 | amro | wow |
| 12:44.12 | amro | hit a nerve there |
| 12:44.14 | nevcairiel | Its just a irregularity that the AM/PM rollover and the 12->1 rollover are at different hours |
| 12:44.24 | amro | if 12 is midday, then 12:30 is in the SECOND HALF OF THE DAY |
| 12:44.26 | A-KO | Personally, the 12 hour time system sucks. Moving from 12 to 1 and adding A or P is really kind of dumb. But then again, I think our time keeping systems are off as it is, though atomic systems are better at longer periods |
| 12:44.30 | amro | it's so obivous, you should get a refund on your logic class |
| 12:44.33 | Dagmar | You have been misinformed if someone showed you a box with AM and 12 hours in it, and then a box with PM and twelve hours in it, dig? |
| 12:44.45 | Humbedooh | why does it start with 12 and not 0 or 1? |
| 12:44.53 | Humbedooh | it's siiilly |
| 12:45.07 | cbreak | indeed. |
| 12:45.13 | Humbedooh | let's learn to count, kids! |
| 12:45.20 | Humbedooh | 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5..! |
| 12:45.25 | amro | funny |
| 12:45.26 | amro | very funny |
| 12:45.35 | amro | look at a 12 hour clock |
| 12:45.36 | amro | go ahead |
| 12:45.38 | amro | look at one right now |
| 12:45.45 | Dagmar | Why bother to look it up when you can just snark off and show that you don't know. |
| 12:45.50 | amro | yeah |
| 12:45.52 | zenzelezz | that's my main objection with 12-hour time. If it simply went 1-12, 1-12 then I wouldn't object as much |
| 12:45.59 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 12:46.03 | amro | zenzelezz: that would not make sense |
| 12:46.03 | cbreak | I don't have a 12 hour clock anywhere near me |
| 12:46.12 | amro | then shut up |
| 12:46.16 | amro | unless you have somethinguseful to say |
| 12:46.16 | Dagmar | Next thing you know they'll be declaring that fire is incorrect or something. |
| 12:46.22 | zenzelezz | amro: nope, it wouldn't, but it would make it easier for me to convert to a time I know |
| 12:46.25 | cbreak | current time is 14:46 |
| 12:46.29 | foxlit | cbreak: don't wear an analog watch? |
| 12:46.34 | cbreak | no |
| 12:46.37 | Humbedooh | I have an analog watch! |
| 12:46.38 | foxlit | aw. |
| 12:46.42 | Fisker | me |
| 12:47.01 | amro | zenzelezz: stop thinking of a conversion first, think of understanding it first |
| 12:47.01 | cbreak | I have a nice solar powered digital watch that gets a precise time signal from an atomic watch :) |
| 12:47.03 | amro | then convert |
| 12:47.04 | cbreak | can't get more precise |
| 12:47.08 | A-KO | 12 hour time doesn't make sense in that it subdivides a "day" into half, which we technically don't really have a unit of measure between hour and day (other than groups of hours). So from a logic perspective entirely, it makes more sense to use a 24 hour clock when referencing hours of a day. |
| 12:47.23 | zenzelezz | amro: understanding is my whole reason for hating on 12-hour time |
| 12:47.25 | A-KO | Hour 15 of Day 30 |
| 12:47.52 | Dagmar | A-Ko: You have that entirely and 100% wrong |
| 12:47.55 | nevcairiel | btw, 12:00 isnt "midday" in most places anyway. I mean, dawn is at about 7am right now, and its getting dark at what .. 7pm .. that would put midday at, uhu, not 12! |
| 12:48.05 | A-KO | Dagmar: We subdivide our days into halves? |
| 12:48.08 | A-KO | what word is that? |
| 12:48.11 | A-KO | I've never heard of that one |
| 12:48.14 | Dagmar | Let's try again. Pay careful attention. |
| 12:48.14 | amro | nevcairiel: irrelevant :P |
| 12:48.23 | A-KO | hour/day/month/year |
| 12:48.28 | A-KO | not quite sure we've got something in between that |
| 12:48.32 | Dagmar | The AM/PM part of the time, and the part with the numbers... They are TWO different divisions |
| 12:48.34 | A-KO | second/minute/hour/day/month/year |
| 12:48.54 | cbreak | damn little endian people... :( |
| 12:49.03 | A-KO | lol cbreak |
| 12:49.50 | cbreak | ah well, at least it's ordered |
| 12:50.04 | nevcairiel | amro: not really. From the literal meaning of AM/PM, it would in this case make more sense to switch it around at 1 :p |
| 12:50.04 | amro | as far as archival timekeeping purposes, I'm pretty sure everyone uses 24h |
| 12:50.10 | A-KO | Dagmar: I know what AM and PM are for, I was born and raised in the US, and I've used it primarily up until I was about 16 and voluntarily chose to switch everything to a 24 hour system that I own. That said, it really doesn't make much "sense" to use it, and after you use a 24 hour system primarily for years straight, it's VERY easy to see it, as I can look at "18:00" and know *exactly*, |
| 12:50.10 | A-KO | from that, what time of day it is through reading left to right. |
| 12:50.21 | amro | nevcairiel: it wouldn't be around 1, it would be closer to 1:30, and it would vary all over the world |
| 12:50.51 | nevcairiel | So whoever picked 12 did it kinda arbitrally, making the weird choice to use 12 instead of 1 |
| 12:50.54 | Dagmar | A-Ko: And I can look at it and know it's 6pm and not have a bit of a problem with it |
| 12:51.11 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Blame the Romans |
| 12:51.12 | amro | nevcairiel: 0 wouldn't make sense |
| 12:51.16 | A-KO | I do not have to wait for "AM" or "PM" to denote what half of the day it is when looking at the time, not to metnion, on a 12 hour analog clock, you ahve to infer what time of day it is from your own mind alone knowing that you were up at 11 when 1 rolls around. |
| 12:51.18 | zenzelezz | I do blame the romans! |
| 12:51.20 | amro | nevcairiel: ill see you at 0? |
| 12:51.31 | nevcairiel | amro: 0 is midnight, but sure |
| 12:51.34 | amro | especially having two 0s |
| 12:51.36 | cbreak | 12 was popular because it has many even divisors |
| 12:51.40 | Dagmar | When you're the only civilization advanced enough to build something, you basically get to design it however you damn well please |
| 12:51.50 | A-KO | It would make MORE sense to put the A or P before the time, to be honest |
| 12:51.51 | Dagmar | The Egyptians started with teh 12 hour divisions |
| 12:51.52 | A-KO | then I might agree |
| 12:51.54 | amro | anyway |
| 12:52.02 | A-KO | A/P divide the day into halves, so A12:00 or P12:00 |
| 12:52.03 | amro | this is the most pointless argument I've ever participated in |
| 12:52.08 | A-KO | :P |
| 12:52.14 | foxlit | Let's be annoyed at something else. |
| 12:52.24 | Dagmar | Yeah let's get pissed off at colors. |
| 12:52.28 | foxlit | amsmath defines \Leftrightarrow but not \Rightleftarrow |
| 12:52.30 | foxlit | Outrage. |
| 12:52.35 | Dagmar | There's too goddamn many of them, for one thing. |
| 12:52.36 | nevcairiel | I particularly hate red white and blue |
| 12:52.39 | nevcairiel | those drive me mad |
| 12:52.43 | nevcairiel | discuss. |
| 12:52.52 | foxlit | nevcairiel: must suck to be you around flags. |
| 12:52.55 | amro | nevcairiel: your nick is colored red here |
| 12:52.55 | cbreak | foxlit: you can define it yourself though |
| 12:52.58 | amro | how does that make you feel? |
| 12:53.00 | cbreak | it is a macro language after all |
| 12:53.20 | cbreak | nevcairiel: why do you hate the french flag? |
| 12:53.34 | Dagmar | Cheese that smells like feet. |
| 12:53.40 | Dagmar | That's enough reason. |
| 12:53.40 | foxlit | cbreak: but then you have to remember which one exists |
| 12:53.41 | zenzelezz | so, magenta - is it a colour? |
| 12:53.45 | A-KO | r/w/b is pretty common on flags. |
| 12:53.53 | foxlit | zenzelezz: magenta is transparent |
| 12:53.58 | A-KO | in the US, red/white/blue are the primary colors taught in primary school :P |
| 12:53.58 | cbreak | foxlit: once you're done you don't have to, both do :) |
| 12:54.19 | cbreak | .... dumb |
| 12:54.22 | A-KO | particularly in the US south, midwest |
| 12:54.23 | nevcairiel | I don't doubt it |
| 12:54.31 | A-KO | :P |
| 12:54.36 | cbreak | http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/color6.html |
| 12:54.55 | amro | derr n |
| 12:54.57 | amro | o |
| 12:55.06 | Dagmar | cbreak: Well, that's the ultimate in lightweight web servers right there |
| 12:55.14 | Dagmar | Congratulations, you slashdotted it |
| 12:55.21 | cbreak | :/ |
| 12:55.24 | cbreak | it's a great page |
| 12:55.32 | Dagmar | "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." |
| 12:55.35 | cbreak | and I mean page. it's actually only one. |
| 12:55.58 | zenzelezz | I just refreshed and it worked |
| 12:56.17 | zenzelezz | it seems to suggest we should blame old artists for colours! |
| 12:56.24 | cbreak | nah |
| 12:56.30 | Humbedooh | blames Torhal |
| 12:56.34 | cbreak | it blames everyone who uses the expression "primary color" |
| 12:57.15 | Dagmar | cbreak: Seems like the AM/PM argument all over again |
| 12:57.16 | nevcairiel | I know that my screen can mix a whole lot of colors from three base colors, whatever you want to call em |
| 12:57.31 | cbreak | Dagmar: no. Unlike AM/PM, all sides are dumb. :) |
| 12:58.00 | cbreak | nevcairiel: the argument is that you can arbitrarily select three base colors and mix others from them |
| 12:58.20 | cbreak | every set of "primary" colors creates a different gammut |
| 12:58.34 | nevcairiel | but can every set of colors create the full gammut? |
| 12:58.46 | Dagmar | "Color should be studied only in the behavior of light." |
| 12:58.46 | cbreak | no, I think none of them can |
| 12:58.53 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 12:59.11 | cbreak | colors are actually a perceptional thing |
| 12:59.13 | nevcairiel | or at least soem sort of gammu that looks simmilar to the known sRGB gammut we use =p |
| 12:59.26 | cbreak | so they are very much based in human physiology |
| 12:59.34 | A-KO | cbreak: :P |
| 12:59.41 | amro | that article is boring |
| 12:59.49 | amro | and the page doesn't use 50% of my screen width |
| 12:59.53 | cbreak | you didn't even read half of it! :) |
| 13:00.11 | cbreak | yeah, long lines harm readability |
| 13:00.19 | Dagmar | At least it explains why it's not stupid |
| 13:00.31 | cbreak | at least I noticed that I lose track of lines when the lines are close and long |
| 13:00.34 | amro | for an article on colors, it doesn't have nearly enough of them |
| 13:00.44 | Dagmar | "Because a long time ago we didn't have fancy monitors and had to dig holes in the ground to find things other than brown" |
| 13:01.33 | cbreak | I'd expect to find mainly brown in a hole in the ground. |
| 13:02.16 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, you were scrounging for snails |
| 13:02.26 | Dagmar | ...or swimming around looking for purply shellfish |
| 13:03.11 | cbreak | no wonder printer toner is that expensive... :) |
| 13:05.52 | Dagmar | Your eyes are spectrometers, and really cut-rate ones at that. Color is a product of the mind. |
| 13:06.23 | Jamash | color is a hallucination created by the eye, optic nerve and visual processing centers |
| 13:06.30 | Jamash | yeah |
| 13:06.45 | cbreak | I would not call it hallucination |
| 13:06.49 | Dagmar | We developed that ability to better determine what will kill us if we try and eat it. |
| 13:06.50 | Jamash | I would |
| 13:07.09 | cbreak | colors are the result of perceiving light of different wave lengths |
| 13:07.10 | Jamash | in the sense that all qualia are hallucinations |
| 13:07.19 | Dagmar | They're a product of the mind. |
| 13:07.26 | Jamash | they may be aligned with reality to some extent, but they are not reality |
| 13:07.29 | cbreak | they are a product of the sensory equipment |
| 13:07.47 | Dagmar | You can look at a box, and know it's a cuboid, and lo and behold it is a cuboid |
| 13:07.56 | cbreak | color blind people are colorblind because they lack sensors, not because there's something wrong with their mind |
| 13:07.58 | Jamash | the existence of a wide variety of optical illusions illustrates the fallibility of our senses |
| 13:08.01 | cbreak | at least in the cases I have heard of |
| 13:08.21 | Dagmar | ...but you cannot look at a red box and say that it is red and it be true. You can only say that you percieve it as red. |
| 13:08.22 | cbreak | optical illusions are artefacts of the processing of the informations the eyese give |
| 13:08.28 | Jamash | the mind is a hallucination as well |
| 13:08.29 | cbreak | indeed |
| 13:08.56 | cbreak | also, you only perceive it as cube |
| 13:09.01 | cbreak | maybe it's something else... |
| 13:09.06 | cbreak | like the painting of a cube |
| 13:09.06 | Jamash | our brains exist, all else is conjecture |
| 13:09.31 | cbreak | Jamash: you postulate the existence of several distinct minds? |
| 13:09.37 | Jamash | sure |
| 13:09.39 | Dagmar | There's only varying wavelenghts of light tho. |
| 13:09.54 | cbreak | there's different combinations of different wavelength light |
| 13:10.07 | Jamash | take, for example, andy kaufman |
| 13:10.17 | Jamash | would I have come up with the stuff he came up with? |
| 13:10.17 | cbreak | don't know that entity |
| 13:10.23 | cbreak | maybe? |
| 13:10.26 | Jamash | nope |
| 13:10.30 | Dagmar | cbreak: And that's where the "cut-rate" part of it comes in |
| 13:10.39 | cbreak | Jamash: BSD Jail |
| 13:10.53 | Jamash | trick question: what single frequency of light does magenta correspond to? |
| 13:11.00 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 13:11.04 | Jamash | cbreak: exactly |
| 13:11.10 | amro | exactly. |
| 13:11.11 | cbreak | Jamash: magenta is not a problem. Purple is |
| 13:11.17 | Jamash | distinct processes are distinct |
| 13:11.25 | Jamash | distinct minds are distinct |
| 13:11.33 | Adys | exactly. |
| 13:11.38 | Jamash | cbreak: no, magenta |
| 13:11.55 | cbreak | hmm. you're right. |
| 13:12.05 | Jamash | does a victory lap. |
| 13:12.11 | Dagmar | Jamash++ |
| 13:12.21 | Jamash | I'm always right. |
| 13:12.25 | Jamash | Except when I'm not. |
| 13:12.47 | Jamash | I'm also hungry |
| 13:12.50 | Jamash | time for breakfast |
| 13:13.06 | cbreak | slowpokes :) |
| 13:13.11 | cbreak | come live in the future! |
| 13:13.13 | Jamash | toast, hash browns, scrambled eggs, soy sausage |
| 13:13.18 | cbreak | time for afternoon tea |
| 13:13.24 | Jamash | (our milk went off) |
| 13:13.35 | Jamash | (our refrigerator doesn't work right) |
| 13:13.56 | Jamash | gotta get a refrigerator repairerator |
| 13:14.01 | cbreak | you could just put the milk outside of the window |
| 13:14.08 | Jamash | in indiana? |
| 13:14.09 | cbreak | well... if it's as cold at your place as it is here |
| 13:14.14 | Jamash | hahahahahahaha no |
| 13:14.20 | Jamash | ~weather columbus indiana |
| 13:14.27 | Jamash | ~lart purl |
| 13:14.27 | purl | shoots jamash in his sleep |
| 13:14.32 | Jamash | D: |
| 13:15.41 | Jamash | ~weather KBAK |
| 13:16.54 | Jamash | so yeah, no |
| 13:18.11 | cbreak | 7 Degrees to 11 Degrees is not that bad. |
| 13:18.17 | cbreak | probably too hot for milk |
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| 13:20.41 | Jamash | yes |
| 13:21.01 | Jamash | anyway it's 0920 here |
| 13:21.08 | Jamash | it's a lot hotter in the afternoon |
| 13:21.31 | cbreak | you get up that early in the monring? Inhuman. |
| 13:21.32 | Jamash | no, I'm awake since last night |
| 13:21.42 | cbreak | ... that's even more inhuman... |
| 13:21.48 | Jamash | anyway breakfast |
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| 14:05.13 | Jamash | so if we're getting a small fraction of the honor we once were at 80, does that mean that level 19 characters will be gaining 1/30th of an honor point per kill? |
| 14:06.32 | Jamash | or is some strange form of scaling going to occur |
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| 14:27.38 | Kraps | "Warner Bros. Pictures just announced they have scrapped plans to release "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1" in 3D next month. "Despite everyone's best efforts, we were unable to convert the film in its entirety and meet the highest standards of quality," the company said in a release today." |
| 14:27.44 | Kraps | has a lol |
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| 14:28.17 | A-KO | haha |
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| 14:32.57 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: thats how it is now, lower levels get less than 80's |
| 14:33.31 | Jamash | yes, low levels get 1 honor point / 1 hk |
| 14:33.44 | Jamash | 80s get ~100 hp / hk |
| 14:34.03 | Jamash | so if 80s get 3 hp / 1 hk, then level 19s get ??? |
| 14:35.08 | Jamash | there's nothing conceptually wrong with handing out one hundredth of an honor point, it's just not something that wow has ever done |
| 14:35.36 | Jamash | you always get integer values of some sort |
| 14:35.44 | nevcairiel | dunno about honor, but it does do that with reputaiton |
| 14:35.53 | Jamash | fractional reputation? |
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| 14:36.26 | Jamash | I know that there are behind-the-scenes values that are smaller than the displayed value, and there's rounding, true |
| 14:36.40 | Jamash | but do you ever get less than one reputation at a time? |
| 14:36.51 | nevcairiel | The rounding is just for display, sometimes you'll get one rounded differently, indicating the decimal just rolled over |
| 14:37.25 | nevcairiel | not less then one, but you can get for example 33.3, displayed as 3, but sometimes it shows as 34 |
| 14:37.25 | Jamash | the point I'm making is sometimes you get exty-ex point blah, where exty-ex > 1 and blah < 1 |
| 14:37.51 | Jamash | but as far as I know you never get *just* zip point blah where blah < 1 |
| 14:38.05 | Legorol | you could be getting less than 1 per kill, and it would be displayed like this: |
| 14:38.19 | Legorol | 1st mob you kill: no message, 2nd mob you kill: no message, 3rd mob you kill: "you gained 1 reputation" |
| 14:38.28 | Jamash | and if honor is getting shunted down as far as I think it is (more than a factor of 10) you're going to be getting *zero* honor per kill |
| 14:38.34 | Jamash | as displayed |
| 14:38.58 | Jamash | anyway, has anyone gotten on beta or ptr as a lowbie and done any pvp? |
| 14:44.18 | Kraps | 10 am pst is 1 pm est ya? |
| 14:44.28 | A-KO | yes Kraps |
| 14:50.31 | Thunder_Child | awww, google didnt do anything for 10-10-10 |
| 14:54.14 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:56.31 | Reshinji-ShC | I have been writting a utility that automatically focuses the send tab and fills it with attachments of full stacks of "Trade Goods" item type. I left the sending to manual clicking to prevent a server flood disconnect, but I cannot seem to get the mailbox to refresh. The mail is sent and attachment textures are left in the mailbox. Have been through MailFram.lua. Using SendMailFrame_Reset() and SendMailFrame_Update(), anyon |
| 14:56.34 | amro | they're saving it for 12-12-12 |
| 14:56.35 | amro | the end of the world |
| 14:58.28 | Fisker | i wish amro |
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| 15:33.56 | breeze_ | Does anyone know how to get the current zone/subzone of a unit? |
| 15:34.44 | breeze_ | Couldn't find it in the API listing rightaway, I know it's in the raid roster info, but how can I get it for party members? |
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| 16:00.47 | cog|sleep | You don't. All of the zone info functions are specifically for the player |
| 16:00.59 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#zone |
| 16:01.28 | breeze_ | But then how can I see the subzone of my partymembers in the tooltip? |
| 16:01.57 | cogwheel | tooltips are often generated C-side and contain information you don't have access to via the Lua API |
| 16:02.08 | cogwheel | so you could do tooltip scanning, i suppose |
| 16:02.22 | breeze_ | I see, so for party members there's no simple api |
| 16:02.27 | cogwheel | not afaik |
| 16:03.40 | Fisker | picks cogwheels nose |
| 16:07.59 | cogwheel | makes sure it's exta germ-y so you get sick |
| 16:09.09 | Fisker | inserts anally |
| 16:09.14 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 16:13.08 | zenzelezz | cairenn, this sounds like a tactic you could employ: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/10/funny-pictures-b-good/ |
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| 16:40.47 | Shirik | ! |
| 16:41.01 | Shirik | I finally found a format vim doesn't know how to highlight by default |
| 16:41.24 | cbreak | AES encrypted doc files? |
| 16:41.54 | zenzelezz | stop reading binary files in vim |
| 16:42.26 | industrial | Shirik: any DSL, congrats |
| 16:42.28 | industrial | :D |
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| 16:42.36 | Shirik | not a DSL! |
| 16:42.48 | industrial | burns Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 16:42.56 | Shirik | It's AADL |
| 16:43.05 | industrial | I am looking to replace gnome in Ubuntu with a tiling window manager, thereby abandoning gnome-session. I don't know which programs and services I need to run to gain some needed functionality like audio and networking and stuff to get that in my startx setup. Can anyone help with this? |
| 16:43.10 | industrial | :P |
| 16:43.33 | Shirik | Why not just get Kubuntu? |
| 16:43.37 | industrial | With archlinux its easy and services actually run regardless of desktop setup |
| 16:43.42 | Fisker | can i join industrial ? |
| 16:43.42 | Shirik | Or better yet, Gentoo |
| 16:43.47 | Fisker | i want to burn ubuntu 10.10 too |
| 16:43.50 | industrial | because I hate KDE? I want a tiling window manager |
| 16:45.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you on a computer now? |
| 16:46.00 | amro | kde isn't a window manager :P |
| 16:46.02 | Shirik | um |
| 16:46.09 | Shirik | what kind of question is that o.o; |
| 16:46.13 | amro | and gentoo is for masochists |
| 16:46.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: the last time i sent you a link you couldnt watch it because you were on your phone |
| 16:46.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:46.35 | Thunder_Child | i guess i should have specified 'desktop' |
| 16:46.37 | Shirik | I was still on a ocmputer |
| 16:46.40 | Thunder_Child | since a phone is a computer |
| 16:46.48 | Shirik | but the internet was through my phone |
| 16:46.54 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 16:47.01 | Shirik | but yes |
| 16:47.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5648845/black-and-white-hdr-video-looks-like-an-artists-moving-sketches |
| 16:48.25 | Shirik | that's impressive |
| 16:48.55 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 16:52.11 | Fisker | not as impressive as mine |
| 16:52.14 | Fisker | unzips |
| 16:53.16 | Shirik | where is it Fisker? |
| 16:53.19 | zenzelezz | it's times like this I wish I was into "that's what she said" jokes |
| 16:53.34 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: thats what she said |
| 16:53.52 | zenzelezz | really? And I thought I was the only one who wasn't into them |
| 16:54.02 | Thunder_Child | guess not |
| 17:07.16 | cogwheel | Fisker: i won with nothing but speedlings |
| 17:07.49 | Fisker | well of course |
| 17:07.53 | Fisker | Blizzard can't balance |
| 17:07.58 | A-KO | damn holy shit |
| 17:08.00 | Thunder_Child | ~qq Fisker |
| 17:08.01 | purl | CRY MOAR Fisker |
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| 17:10.10 | amro | ZOMG SPEEDLINGS ARE IMBA |
| 17:11.12 | Fisker | Thunder_Child srsly |
| 17:11.29 | Fisker | The Gom TV GSL showed that pretty well |
| 17:12.14 | amro | they can't balance, but speedlings aren't an issue |
| 17:12.54 | Fisker | Blizzard have made it harder to defend them |
| 17:14.11 | Fisker | but it boils down to this |
| 17:14.31 | Fisker | Either Blizzard should accept that people get steamrolled in the lower brackets, or they should completely redesign zerg |
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| 17:21.20 | nevcairiel | If i create a xml frame template with an OnLoad, but the frame using that template provides its own OnLoad .. do both get called? |
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| 17:22.29 | haste | sounds like something you easily could test :3 |
| 17:23.22 | nevcairiel | ~laziness |
| 17:23.22 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 17:23.37 | Ackis | Happy Thanksgiving everybody!!! |
| 17:23.50 | nevcairiel | Ackis: but i havent been given anything! |
| 17:23.59 | haste | ~impatience |
| 17:23.59 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 17:25.20 | nevcairiel | hm how to tackle this |
| 17:25.27 | nevcairiel | i'll just go with a lua function instead of xml |
| 17:25.28 | nevcairiel | screw this :) |
| 17:25.48 | Ackis | Shefki: I'm now following you on Twitter. Lucky you. |
| 17:27.05 | haste | ~selfishness |
| 17:27.11 | haste | aaw, it's not there |
| 17:28.05 | Reshinji-ShC | I wrote a bit of code that automatically adds attachments to a mail message but after the mail is sent, the icons stay in the attachment area. I have looked through the MailFrame.lua and found _Reset() and _Update functions. They don't fix it. Anyone have a clue? |
| 17:30.18 | Reshinji-ShC | sourcecode visible here: http://sites.google.com/site/quasifunctional |
| 17:30.29 | Shefki | Ackis: Haven't you been following me for a while on a different account? |
| 17:30.33 | cralor | Happy Thanksgiving Ackis |
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| 17:47.19 | Fisker | zomg everyone log on steam |
| 17:48.00 | haste | updating~ |
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| 17:48.44 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:48.45 | Fisker | login on steam |
| 17:48.46 | Fisker | now |
| 17:49.07 | haste | it be connecting! |
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| 17:49.52 | haste | Steam is having trouble connecting to the Steam servers. |
| 17:49.57 | haste | this was all a trick Fisker ! |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker | no! |
| 17:50.04 | Fisker | we 3 need 3 million :( |
| 17:50.10 | Fisker | you can't peak now! |
| 17:50.14 | Fisker | we 3? |
| 17:50.15 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:50.26 | haste | who's the third>? |
| 17:50.34 | Kraps | whats going on |
| 17:50.42 | Fisker | i don't know haste |
| 17:50.42 | haste | Fisker is making a racket |
| 17:50.47 | Fisker | Kraps you need to sign in to steam |
| 17:50.52 | Kraps | i am |
| 17:50.55 | Kraps | always |
| 17:51.05 | Kraps | except when i'm not |
| 17:51.09 | Fisker | you need to make 120000 accounts and stay logged in then |
| 17:51.14 | Kraps | but i usually am |
| 17:51.15 | Kraps | why |
| 17:51.41 | Fisker | we need to hit 3 million today |
| 17:51.44 | Kraps | why |
| 17:52.05 | haste | I think my router is having some _minor_ issues |
| 17:52.14 | Kraps | and who is "we" |
| 17:52.20 | Fisker | i don't even know |
| 17:52.39 | haste | I don't even... |
| 17:52.57 | haste | --- 192.168.15.1 ping statistics --- |
| 17:52.59 | Kraps | what are they selling in the blizzard store |
| 17:52.59 | haste | 101 packets transmitted, 66 received, 34% packet loss, time 100071ms |
| 17:54.07 | Fisker | Kraps shit |
| 17:54.12 | Fisker | but i might get the towel |
| 17:54.17 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/#!/The_T |
| 17:55.09 | Kraps | posters ftl |
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| 17:55.45 | Kraps | sheet music |
| 17:56.11 | Kraps | if i had my keyboard already i would take those |
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| 17:58.26 | Fisker | you are a bad person |
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| 18:00.21 | Kraps | Fisker: smaller women are better, they're easier to kidnap |
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| 18:15.50 | Xinhuan | wow blizzcon ticket holders who had friends buy their ticket for them can't access the pre-sale |
| 18:15.57 | Xinhuan | =.= |
| 18:16.59 | Fisker | duh? |
| 18:18.34 | Seerah | there wasn't much there when we looked yesterday... |
| 18:18.51 | Seerah | I was pretty disappointed |
| 18:18.56 | Fisker | it was bugged |
| 18:19.00 | Fisker | it has like 9 pages of shit now |
| 18:19.03 | nevcairiel | they'll probably only show all the stuff when its actually going live |
| 18:19.03 | Xinhuan | its still bugged |
| 18:19.05 | Seerah | yeah? |
| 18:19.13 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026402139&sid=1 |
| 18:19.32 | Xinhuan | i can tell you i got the email too but can't see the store items |
| 18:19.50 | Fisker | http://www.dinnerbone.com/mmoc/blizzcon_store/ |
| 18:20.21 | Xinhuan | also some items are already sold out apparently |
| 18:20.23 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Really stupid. |
| 18:20.25 | Xinhuan | such as the music score |
| 18:20.29 | Xinhuan | for lament |
| 18:20.39 | Shefki | I managed to get in and get the stuff I wanted. |
| 18:21.09 | Xinhuan | looks like i'll have to buy it there |
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| 18:21.26 | Xinhuan | and endure a 2 hour queue |
| 18:21.27 | Fisker | i'm guessing everything sells out in 1 second for us in a couple of days |
| 18:21.48 | Seerah | well, that's annoying that they only had like 15 items yesterday afternoon when we looked |
| 18:22.15 | Xinhuan | i'll rather it be totally broken than half broken like this |
| 18:22.43 | Shirik | oops |
| 18:22.47 | nevcairiel | eh, nothing really fancy in there |
| 18:23.40 | Xinhuan | well my friends want to pool together so we only have to pay shipping once |
| 18:23.46 | Xinhuan | appears that's not possible now |
| 18:24.14 | A-KO | honestly, blizzcon isn't all that big of a deal |
| 18:28.13 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026402141&sid=1 |
| 18:28.14 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 18:28.19 | Xinhuan | got people complaining about this too |
| 18:30.07 | Fisker | that's pretty stupid |
| 18:30.41 | dafire | they should lower the monthly fee for aliance players , |
| 18:30.42 | dafire | :) |
| 18:30.45 | nevcairiel | people will complain about anything |
| 18:31.22 | Shefki | I heard that Cata is going to come in Horde and Alliance versions. |
| 18:31.32 | Shefki | $35.99 for Alliance, $39.99 for Horde. |
| 18:31.44 | Shefki | The extra $4 goes to Garrosh as tax. |
| 18:31.46 | nevcairiel | didnt classic have 2 different boxes? |
| 18:32.02 | Shefki | He's demanding the money to rebuild. |
| 18:32.52 | dafire | yeah .. there was the box surrounding the box that was available in horde and alliance :) |
| 18:33.24 | nevcairiel | was rather random though when you ordered online |
| 18:33.37 | Fisker | mine was horde \o/ |
| 18:33.41 | Cide | c++ ide for linux? I have heard votes for KDevelop (Shirik) and Kate (Adys?) |
| 18:33.43 | nevcairiel | mine was alliance :p |
| 18:33.48 | Shirik | Kate is not an IDE |
| 18:33.50 | nevcairiel | kate is a text editor |
| 18:34.00 | Fisker | actually i'm not sure now |
| 18:34.12 | Shefki | Just use a text editor and suck it up and learn how to use make |
| 18:34.16 | Fisker | did the CE had varying box art on the game discs? |
| 18:34.26 | zenzelezz | "$ make do" |
| 18:34.42 | Cide | whatever |
| 18:34.45 | Cide | I am using make |
| 18:34.52 | nevcairiel | the building process is not everything a IDE provides :p |
| 18:34.55 | Cide | I didn't mean for the actual compilation |
| 18:35.02 | Shefki | nevcairiel: I know I'm just being snarky. |
| 18:35.10 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i've used KDevelop before, but that was ages ago, it changed alot since then i bet |
| 18:35.23 | Cide | I don't need an ide really either, just good support for c++ coding |
| 18:35.26 | nevcairiel | there is always the CDT for eclipse |
| 18:35.30 | Shirik | no |
| 18:35.31 | Cide | not touching eclipse |
| 18:35.32 | Shirik | no |
| 18:35.35 | Cide | with a stick |
| 18:35.36 | Shirik | nonononono |
| 18:35.40 | dafire | i installed ubuntu 10.10 pre and it had several ide in its software browser :) |
| 18:35.43 | Fisker | haha |
| 18:35.48 | Fisker | Blizzard are banning players for cheating in SP |
| 18:35.54 | A-KO | awesome |
| 18:35.54 | Fisker | so let me guess |
| 18:36.16 | Fisker | those 5000 players were probably just SP players and they did infact not bother with MP :o |
| 18:36.20 | Cide | so |
| 18:36.22 | Cide | kdevelop or kate? |
| 18:36.36 | Cide | or something else entirely that is not eclipse |
| 18:36.44 | nevcairiel | vim! |
| 18:36.47 | nevcairiel | (someone had to say it) |
| 18:37.04 | Cide | well what I really need is the file management in virtual folders |
| 18:37.07 | Cide | like vs |
| 18:37.16 | Cide | and syntax highlighting |
| 18:37.27 | Cide | and preferably yelling at me for being horrible |
| 18:37.40 | nevcairiel | hire a Shirik, he is good at that |
| 18:37.44 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:38.04 | dafire | you could check code::blocks |
| 18:38.05 | dafire | http://www.codeblocks.org/ |
| 18:38.09 | Cide | I did yesterday |
| 18:38.12 | nevcairiel | I dunno how kate does with project/file management |
| 18:38.20 | nevcairiel | but kdevelop will certainly do fine |
| 18:38.49 | nevcairiel | kate should be in your KDE anyway, just check it out, if it doesnt fit your needs, install KDevelop |
| 18:38.56 | Cide | fair enough |
| 18:38.58 | Cide | brb |
| 18:39.21 | dafire | anyone here using curse client ? :) |
| 18:39.49 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:41.02 | dafire | it don't gives me premium features since today .) |
| 18:41.13 | dafire | curse.com says i have premium :) |
| 18:41.16 | zenzelezz | it seems like script writes thinks roughly every other square mile in the US is a native American burial ground; usually a sacred one too |
| 18:41.23 | zenzelezz | *writers |
| 18:41.45 | nevcairiel | maybe there is! |
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| 18:41.59 | Cide | hi |
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| 18:49.58 | zenzelezz | Shirik, what did you do to bits.wikimedia.org :( |
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| 18:52.43 | Fisker | what's wrong with it zenzelezz ? |
| 18:54.06 | Kraps | hax |
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| 19:03.52 | Shirik | zenzelezz |
| 19:04.03 | Shirik | wikipedia has been up and down all day |
| 19:04.35 | Fisker | just like my penis lool |
| 19:05.04 | Fisker | we were 134k from 3 million |
| 19:05.10 | Fisker | are you proud of yourself haste? |
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| 19:08.41 | haste | Fisker: I contributeD |
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| 19:12.07 | Fisker | yeah haste |
| 19:12.11 | Fisker | but it's your fault |
| 19:16.20 | haste | but I'm busy watching "Hellstrøm rydder opp" |
| 19:19.49 | olafski | cbreak: cool :) |
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| 20:01.43 | zenzelezz | subtexting gone wrong... "The vehicle sustained 30 point-blank shots" -> "The vehicle sustained 30 mm shots" |
| 20:01.49 | zenzelezz | that'd be one nasty handgun |
| 20:02.27 | Fisker | 30mm is pretty point-blank right? |
| 20:02.28 | Fisker | :3 |
| 20:03.09 | zenzelezz | (at least this wasn't English -> English subtexting) |
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| 20:11.27 | Cide | hi |
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| 20:17.58 | Iriel | lo |
| 20:19.17 | mikma | zenzelezz: so whci one is the correct one? point-blank or mm? cause, they both might do a shitloads of damage |
| 20:21.31 | cbreak | the description "30mm" is length, diameter or radius? |
| 20:21.37 | cbreak | or maybe bullet circumfence? |
| 20:22.54 | Iriel | Caliber is the approximate measure of the diameter |
| 20:24.18 | mikma | 3cm.. well |
| 20:24.37 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:30_mm.jpg |
| 20:24.39 | Kraps | http://www.popcap.com/games/bejeweled2/?icid=bej2free_HP_PLARGE_pc_10_10_10... |
| 20:24.49 | Iriel | For scale. |
| 20:25.11 | mikma | fo'cha |
| 20:26.01 | Maldivia | bejeweled 2 for free, nice - too bad I already own it :P |
| 20:27.08 | Kraps | too bad i already "got it" *coughcough* |
| 20:27.38 | Kraps | i bought bejeweled twist, way better |
| 20:28.17 | Kraps | Iriel: is it called vera? |
| 20:29.02 | Iriel | I'm sure if you're holding a weapon that uses one, it's called whatever you say it's called. |
| 20:29.15 | Kraps | XD |
| 20:31.00 | cbreak | looks like it's handgun compatible in anime only |
| 20:31.53 | Kraps | MOH, black ops, or both? |
| 20:32.07 | Maldivia | Kraps: judging by popcap's web server, I think they are "selling" a lot of bejeweled 2 :) |
| 20:32.16 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 20:33.03 | zenzelezz | mikma: the first (point-blank) is the spoken one |
| 20:35.00 | p3lim | which markup supported by github is the one most alike Curse Wiki markup? |
| 20:35.30 | Fisker | hmm |
| 20:35.41 | Fisker | on LK there was something called "InvisibleTarget" |
| 20:35.42 | Fisker | :o |
| 20:36.36 | Kraps | "(PS: Using Internet Explorer 7 is a bug on your side.)" nice one bibi :) |
| 20:37.13 | Fisker | old one Kraps |
| 20:37.40 | Kraps | i will fuck your shit up Fisker |
| 20:37.48 | Fisker | do it then |
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| 20:38.19 | Fisker | so Kraps |
| 20:38.21 | Kraps | speak of the devil |
| 20:38.26 | Fisker | how does it feel speaking into thin air? |
| 20:38.42 | Kraps | i knew he wanst on |
| 20:38.47 | Kraps | so hah |
| 20:38.51 | Fisker | naw you didn't |
| 20:38.58 | Kraps | did too |
| 20:39.56 | Kraps | btw i have chocolate pudding Fisker |
| 20:40.30 | Fisker | sweet |
| 20:46.36 | industrial | ding 60 |
| 20:46.44 | msoul | gratz |
| 20:46.47 | msoul | what class |
| 20:47.00 | industrial | hunter, again |
| 20:47.01 | msoul | did icc10 and I think my blood pressure did hit the sky |
| 20:47.06 | industrial | (explosive shot ! :D) |
| 20:47.18 | msoul | lvling one myself but slowly... hopefully I get it to 80 bewfore cata |
| 20:47.30 | industrial | same |
| 20:47.45 | industrial | 3d20h on it |
| 20:48.03 | msoul | I do lvl fast if I want to :X |
| 20:48.14 | msoul | but feel lazy lately |
| 20:48.20 | msoul | from outland especially |
| 20:48.28 | msoul | hellfire, zang, nagrand, borean |
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| 20:48.55 | msoul | think I should get ot it |
| 20:49.09 | msoul | since everytime I do raid with randoms I get annoyed |
| 20:49.40 | msoul | the grp didn't know what to do in gunship. only few |
| 20:49.59 | msoul | did explain the fight so did the other 2 |
| 20:50.02 | msoul | and still a wipe |
| 20:50.22 | msoul | raid setup was aweful too |
| 20:53.00 | zenzelezz | "Hypersonic is one of three rough classifications for airflow regimes - subsonic (less than Mach 0.8), transonic (Mach 0.8 - 1.2), supersonic (Mach 1.2 - 5.0), and finally hypersonic (Mach 5.0+)." - wouldn't that make it four classifications? |
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| 21:03.54 | zenzelezz | "The 1993 World Trade Center bombing was allegedly orchestrated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.[citation needed]" - even if it is speculation, it amuses me to see "citation needed" on a page listing conspiracy theories |
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| 21:29.17 | Kraps | why do they even have those pages |
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| 21:29.46 | Kraps | theres a page for debunking the moon landing conspiracy |
| 21:31.01 | zenzelezz | Kraps: they have pages listing every other category, so why not for this? |
| 21:31.06 | A-KO | I like the pentalawn page tbh |
| 21:31.09 | zenzelezz | and it makes it easier to find something amusing to read about |
| 21:31.09 | A-KO | which is sad |
| 21:31.16 | A-KO | because I remember watching the news reporst for the pentagon stuff |
| 21:31.21 | A-KO | and thinking that very thing |
| 21:31.27 | A-KO | like "wtf? where's the plane?" lol |
| 21:31.32 | A-KO | then a few weeks/months later |
| 21:31.38 | A-KO | that page came out |
| 21:32.21 | A-KO | http://killtown.911review.org/pentalawn.html |
| 21:33.12 | Kraps | zenzelezz: whats the category? |
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| 21:39.40 | amro | Cide: definitely kdevelop |
| 21:39.57 | amro | get something recent, I recommend compiling directly from source |
| 21:40.08 | amro | (compiling kate, kdevplatform and kdevelop4) |
| 21:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2010/10/05/msg008900.html |
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| 21:59.00 | Cide | amro: yeah, not a fan of kate so far |
| 21:59.37 | amro | kate is just for random files |
| 21:59.43 | amro | use kdevelop if you're doing C++ |
| 21:59.54 | Cide | will do |
| 21:59.55 | amro | semantic highlighting, completion, all that jazz |
| 21:59.55 | Cide | thanks |
| 22:01.39 | Kraps | heyo, is there a way to configure my graphical stuff, both ingam and out, to make wow run at more than 20 fps with ultra water? |
| 22:02.32 | amro | lower draw distance |
| 22:02.35 | amro | that's about it |
| 22:04.47 | Kraps | nope |
| 22:05.00 | Kraps | still slow near water |
| 22:06.15 | amro | what's your video card? |
| 22:07.07 | Angayelle | mmh in beta it seemed that PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE was triggered upon changing glyphs, anyone saw that too ? |
| 22:07.53 | Kraps | amro: nvidia 9800 x2 |
| 22:08.06 | Kraps | amro: nvidia 9800gt x2 |
| 22:08.10 | Reshinji-ShC | Anyone know if Cata will present a simpler method of detecting an item's bind status? |
| 22:08.12 | amro | weird, should be able to handle it just fine |
| 22:08.20 | amro | latest drivers and all that? |
| 22:08.29 | Kraps | yup |
| 22:08.46 | Kraps | and sli fwiw |
| 22:08.52 | TMc51 | what's your cpu? you might be bottlenecked there. |
| 22:09.24 | amro | doubt their water effects are doing anything on cpu, odd |
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| 22:10.01 | Kraps | core2 quad 2.40ghz |
| 22:10.17 | TMc51 | odd, shouldnt be an issue at all. |
| 22:10.18 | amro | what's your setup as far as monitors |
| 22:10.29 | amro | and are you running windowed/what resolution |
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| 22:10.51 | Mike-N-Go | I just founded a guild in the beta, but the guild tab is not showing up in my UI, I tried disabling all addons, yet no advail. |
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| 22:11.03 | Kraps | windowed, 1440x900 |
| 22:11.37 | Gagorian | well, 9800GT isn't that good of a card any longer? |
| 22:11.57 | stew_a | Mike-N-Go: guild 'tab'? :P |
| 22:12.08 | Mike-N-Go | .. |
| 22:12.14 | Mike-N-Go | Not that kind of tab |
| 22:12.26 | Mike-N-Go | The tab in the social pane. |
| 22:12.33 | stew_a | there isn't a tab in the social pane anymore |
| 22:12.49 | Mike-N-Go | How do I configure the guild, then? |
| 22:12.59 | stew_a | press J (unless you've changed the binds) |
| 22:13.29 | stew_a | or there's a button on the microbutton bar |
| 22:13.39 | Mike-N-Go | Thankies |
| 22:14.37 | Mike-N-Go | I'm like "Why is this broken" lol |
| 22:15.11 | Kraps | i also have a problem with setting shadows any higher that "good", eventually the shadows start flickering |
| 22:15.24 | Kraps | s/that/than |
| 22:15.33 | Iriel | I have that problem also |
| 22:15.51 | stew_a | Mike-N-Go: perhaps because the entire guild UI was rebuilt from scratch for the new guild features :P |
| 22:16.01 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.21 | Shefki | Ugh MysticalOS isn't in here either. |
| 22:20.39 | Shefki | gives up and just decides to watch him bang his head against the wall. |
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| 22:41.09 | Angayelle | doesn't /Reload ui save variables ? or only logout/exit ? |
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| 22:42.12 | bluspacecow | only logout or exit IIRC |
| 22:42.26 | Cide | reloadui saves variables |
| 22:42.27 | sylvanaar | how are serverside macros stored? we have some guy with an unknown macro with "help" messages for the other faction |
| 22:42.35 | Kalroth | Cide: Didn't they change that? |
| 22:42.40 | Cide | no idea |
| 22:42.45 | Kalroth | To avoid external communication abuse |
| 22:42.45 | Cide | s/saves/saved/ |
| 22:43.25 | Fisker | this shit is bananas |
| 22:43.42 | sylvanaar | "[18:37:27] [G] [85:Josiphoez]: The Flying Trainer in Stormwind is near the Fligth Master. Yes, Portals have been removed from Shatt/Dal. Glyph vendors have been removed. If you're a fresh 80, head to the hero's call board in SW, it will give you a breadcrumb quest" on a horde char |
| 22:43.54 | Cide | previous design was that they were okay with it because of the time it took |
| 22:44.02 | Cide | not sure if that changed |
| 22:45.06 | sylvanaar | external communication? thats a pay for feature now |
| 22:45.10 | sylvanaar | lol |
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| 22:53.26 | bluspacecow | ruh roh |
| 22:53.46 | bluspacecow | i have a distinct memory of sliding the rent cheque under the door of my landlords flat |
| 22:53.57 | bluspacecow | yet my bank doesn't show the money i got out :( |
| 22:57.12 | cbreak | just do a bank transfer |
| 22:57.30 | cbreak | much cheaper than buying real paper cheques |
| 22:58.10 | Dagmar | This is pretty damning of IE. http://www.blade-defender.org/eval-lab/ |
| 22:59.39 | Antiarc | Yet another reason to never install Adobe Reader |
| 23:00.36 | Dagmar | Yeah data like this was available awhile back, but not in pretty pie-chart format |
| 23:00.58 | Dagmar | It's why Adobe did a press-release basically saying "Holy shit okay we're adding sandboxing now" |
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| 23:02.19 | Dagmar | So firefox has 45% of the market, but is only representing about 20% of the drive-by fails |
| 23:02.41 | Dagmar | http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp |
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| 23:03.06 | amro | Dagmar: the AV miss rate is interesting |
| 23:03.20 | Dagmar | I'm suprised it's as low as it is |
| 23:03.31 | Dagmar | Those guys change their stuff weekly when infection rates drop |
| 23:03.34 | amro | but now I have a fancy flowchart to use in my anti-AV rants |
| 23:04.04 | Dagmar | This is why whitelist controls like Comodo always win against blacklist checks like McAffee/Norton/etc |
| 23:04.05 | SqueeG | anti-AV? |
| 23:04.24 | amro | yes |
| 23:04.27 | amro | AV = fail |
| 23:04.29 | A-KO | I still like Symantec's stuff |
| 23:04.31 | SqueeG | can't whitelists be circumvented as well? |
| 23:04.36 | A-KO | sure can |
| 23:04.37 | amro | how so? |
| 23:04.38 | SqueeG | by hijacking a whitelisted program? |
| 23:04.42 | Dagmar | Squeed: One big problem is that people actually believe the shit the major AV companies spew about how often they miss |
| 23:04.54 | Dagmar | Squeeg: Dude. Chicken or egg. Pick one. |
| 23:04.55 | A-KO | Dagmar: For the average person, you'd be surprised. |
| 23:04.55 | amro | don't whitelist vulnerable programs |
| 23:05.00 | A-KO | amro: lol |
| 23:05.02 | A-KO | good one |
| 23:05.07 | SqueeG | gotta whitelist a browser if you plan on using it |
| 23:05.14 | Dagmar | You can't really go and hijack a whitelisted program if you can't run in the first place. |
| 23:05.31 | amro | they mean like an exploit within the program |
| 23:05.34 | Dagmar | Whitelisting means not allowing new child processes to show up for no apparent reason |
| 23:05.48 | amro | and like I said, don't whitelist vulnerable shit like IE |
| 23:05.58 | SqueeG | any browser is vulnerable |
| 23:06.07 | amro | in theory |
| 23:06.11 | SqueeG | IE is just the *most* vulnerable |
| 23:06.21 | Dagmar | THe first time something tries to touch your registry, or write a new file in a place it didn't before, whitelisters carp about it |
| 23:06.24 | SqueeG | primarily because of it's market share |
| 23:06.26 | sylvanaar | what are the params passed to each addon file again ... = addonname, addontable? |
| 23:06.34 | A-KO | IE isn't necessarily the most vulnerable |
| 23:06.38 | A-KO | I believe Safari holds that crown |
| 23:06.41 | A-KO | IE is just the most exploited |
| 23:06.54 | SqueeG | Really |
| 23:06.57 | Dagmar | SqueeG: Those two pages together show that IE is disproportionately more likely to be exploited |
| 23:07.05 | Dagmar | By a LARGE margin |
| 23:07.21 | SqueeG | I used comodo until it started locking up systems |
| 23:07.28 | SqueeG | i loved it until then xD |
| 23:07.33 | Dagmar | It's not getting big pie share because lots of people use it. |
| 23:07.42 | Dagmar | More people are now using Firefox than IE |
| 23:07.44 | A-KO | I'm right now using MSE on my home desktop, SEP at work, and likely NAV2011 on my home desktop after some chats with Symantec |
| 23:07.59 | SqueeG | yea, safari fell pretty fast in a hacking contest |
| 23:08.17 | SqueeG | i don't like symantec, too bloated |
| 23:08.36 | A-KO | Dagmar: You also have to consider that Firefox is also disproportionately less targeted due to the fact that malware writers also know the *average* IQ of the firefox population is higher than the average IQ of the IE6 population. |
| 23:08.41 | Dagmar | Squeeg: That doesn't actually mean what you think it does |
| 23:08.48 | A-KO | SqueeG: starting with their 2010 stuff they've gotten significantly better |
| 23:09.06 | amro | A-KO: that's not true at all |
| 23:09.13 | A-KO | amro: what isn't? the norton stuff? |
| 23:09.16 | A-KO | or the IQ? :P |
| 23:09.17 | amro | the IQ stuff |
| 23:09.18 | Dagmar | We're well above the level now where if you stick a large pile of money out for the world to see and say "You can have this if you can expoit a vulnerability in X" it will happen, just about regardless |
| 23:09.34 | amro | maybe you mean level of computer skills, and even then |
| 23:10.11 | Dagmar | Either an independent security researcher will jump on it to collect a feather for their cap, or pro IT security lab will put their people on it so they can have better bragging rights and ask for more money from their clients |
| 23:10.23 | A-KO | amro: Well, the average firefox user also has adblock and/or noscript in some shape or form. They either use FF because someone they trust put it on there for them to use, or they are weary of internet threats themselves. |
| 23:10.47 | A-KO | that said |
| 23:10.50 | A-KO | I've been using IE9 |
| 23:10.52 | Dagmar | Blackhat still happens each year, yaknow |
| 23:11.06 | A-KO | IE9 and Chrome, though IE9 has been dominating my everyday usage |
| 23:11.07 | Dagmar | Every year guys are still dropping major bombs on the industry at that thing |
| 23:11.11 | amro | anyway, my point is that AVs fail |
| 23:11.26 | Dagmar | Meh my argument is that blacklists are fail by default |
| 23:11.30 | amro | yeah |
| 23:11.32 | amro | they are |
| 23:11.37 | SqueeG | In defense of AVs, I think they help *as an extra layer* |
| 23:11.42 | SqueeG | but aren't a cure all |
| 23:11.43 | A-KO | trusted computing ftw? |
| 23:11.50 | Dagmar | Imagine if instead of your door lock, which is a whitelist mechanism, you had a doorman who operated as a blacklist. |
| 23:11.51 | A-KO | don't run software that isn't signed by a trusted publisher |
| 23:12.05 | A-KO | I wonder if you can sign 3rd party executables/software |
| 23:12.09 | A-KO | before deployment in your organization |
| 23:12.23 | A-KO | that said, if they got another signature from one of the other trusted parties...well then :P |
| 23:12.23 | amro | Dagmar: I'd be dead by noon :P |
| 23:12.29 | Dagmar | If he were your typical AV, he would only restrict people from entering after checking their criminal record to see if they're a known felon, or if they're dressed like a cartoon burglar carrying an empty sack that says "LOOT" on it. |
| 23:12.43 | Dagmar | If he operated as a whitelist, he'd ONLY allow you and your family in. |
| 23:12.50 | Dagmar | Which type of doorman would you rather have? |
| 23:12.58 | amro | another chance to link this http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ |
| 23:13.36 | Dagmar | amro: Yeah Shneier went on a rant about known badness a few years ago, and then promptly recanted. I still don't understand that one. |
| 23:14.01 | amro | bags of money perhaps |
| 23:14.07 | Dagmar | He and Marcus were apparently on the same page then |
| 23:14.09 | SqueeG | the annoyign thing about whitelists, is needing to whitelist on the fly |
| 23:14.13 | Dagmar | amro: I hate to think that would be it |
| 23:14.23 | Dagmar | ...but it *is* the most obvious explanation. |
| 23:14.28 | amro | yeah >< |
| 23:14.42 | Dagmar | Squeeg: Yeah but in practice that's a lot less onerous than you might think |
| 23:14.59 | SqueeG | after the initial configuration, yes |
| 23:15.09 | Dagmar | No I mean configuring it on the fly |
| 23:15.16 | SqueeG | but for paranoid people like me that want to look up EVERYTHING they don't recognize xD |
| 23:15.40 | Dagmar | I thought it would be a big pain in the ass, too, but basically, after you've run a program a few times, it's got the length and breadth of it. |
| 23:16.38 | Dagmar | Shell scripts aren't all that self-contained, but most binaries are |
| 23:17.17 | SqueeG | All in all, whitelists are definitely the safest route |
| 23:17.20 | SqueeG | But! |
| 23:17.32 | SqueeG | Most people using PCs don't have the patience for it |
| 23:17.38 | SqueeG | and prefer 'set it and forget it' policies |
| 23:18.27 | amro | and AV is encouraging them to keep doing that |
| 23:18.44 | Dagmar | Yeah but on a corporate LAN where everything is licenced and installed over the network, whitelisting gets MUCH more maintainable |
| 23:18.49 | amro | ^ |
| 23:19.07 | Dagmar | It becomes a thing that can be set globally across the domain |
| 23:19.08 | SqueeG | in a scenario like that? yep yep |
| 23:19.19 | Dagmar | ...and just amounts to feeding the thing a profile of each app the users can install |
| 23:19.31 | Dagmar | ...and that's where an AV failure is the most dangerous |
| 23:19.40 | Dagmar | ...and unfortunately where AV is most profitable. |
| 23:19.41 | Adys | any 10+ paladin on the beta? |
| 23:19.57 | SqueeG | day to day home users though |
| 23:20.06 | SqueeG | continue to be the bane of security xD |
| 23:20.14 | amro | the bane of their own security |
| 23:20.15 | Adys | got one |
| 23:20.21 | amro | and AV companies are capitalizing on that |
| 23:20.36 | amro | it's hard to sell whitelisting on a subscription model |
| 23:21.11 | Dagmar | Ooo... Ubuntu got it's own netbook interface? BBL |
| 23:21.44 | Thunder_Child | soulds like fab fab fab |
| 23:22.09 | SqueeG | lol |
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| 23:28.02 | Adys | ~botsnack |
| 23:28.02 | purl | Adys: aw, gee |
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