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| 00:05.45 | Torhal | industrial: WHat terminal are you using? I have the same problem with weechat, which has paste-flood protection |
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| 00:59.10 | Shirik | Your quote for the day |
| 00:59.12 | Shirik | When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. - C.S. Lewis |
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| 01:01.34 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/Overhead.jpg |
| 01:07.25 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:07.29 | Shirik | you aren't in Daytona are you Iriel? |
| 01:07.42 | Iriel | No... |
| 01:07.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:07.49 | Shirik | because there's an air show this weekend |
| 01:07.53 | Shirik | and they were doing test flights today |
| 01:08.03 | Iriel | It's Fleet Week in San Francisco |
| 01:09.00 | Iriel | And they were doing test flights here yesterday and today (though yesterday I was stuck in meetings) |
| 01:10.17 | Arrowmaster | i still dont get why the navy has planes |
| 01:11.00 | Dagmar | Because even in the Navy you can't spend all day just floating around in a boat |
| 01:11.17 | Dagmar | Sometimes they expect you to get in a plane and blow some shit up |
| 01:11.22 | sylvanaar | they have aircraft carriers |
| 01:11.45 | sylvanaar | or how about - why are the marines part of the navy |
| 01:12.03 | Dagmar | Because left to their own devices they'll never find their way back home |
| 01:12.40 | sylvanaar | the airforce doesnt have any ships, so who's left |
| 01:12.53 | Dagmar | Blackwater. |
| 01:12.54 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 01:13.05 | sylvanaar | i want to know why my entire beta client got deleted |
| 01:13.13 | sylvanaar | thats the strangest thing |
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| 02:16.46 | Shirik | ugh |
| 02:16.53 | Shirik | Code generator is producing python code :( |
| 02:16.59 | Shirik | #define __Errors_hh_EXTERNAL_GUARD__ |
| 02:17.58 | SqueeG | Tanaris has a lot of quests >.> |
| 02:18.34 | Adys | [03:19:01] * Topic for #define is: max(a,b) ({ typeof(a) _a=(a); typeof(b) _b=(b); _a>_b ? _a : _b; }) |
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| 02:49.19 | kd3 | wth, uplink |
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| 02:58.56 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVqrQIEs9A |
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| 03:07.35 | Antiarc | Hey Shirik, you're a low-level code ninja right? |
| 03:07.46 | Shirik | I like that way of putting it |
| 03:07.49 | Shirik | I should add that to my resume |
| 03:08.05 | Antiarc | I'm trying to debug why Apache instances are jumping to 2GB all of a sudden. I've got straces of the behavior -- Ithink it's happening like... |
| 03:08.12 | Antiarc | 20:05:01.471879 brk(0x2acfebb2a000) = 0x2acfea749000 |
| 03:08.13 | Antiarc | 20:05:01.471929 mmap(NULL, 20844544, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x2ad03609c000 |
| 03:08.29 | Antiarc | I've got about 40 of those in a row, resulting in about 1gb of RAM being mmaped all at once |
| 03:08.40 | Antiarc | How the heck would I figure out what's causing that allocation? |
| 03:08.42 | Shirik | just to throw out the obvious |
| 03:08.54 | Shirik | is this a private server? That is, could someone be exploiting a hole in apache? |
| 03:09.03 | Shirik | before I even bother to look at it |
| 03:09.25 | Antiarc | It's four private servers, with apache all patched up. Nothing odd in the request logs. |
| 03:09.31 | Antiarc | Same behavior across all four. |
| 03:09.36 | Iriel | Enable debug logging? |
| 03:10.03 | Antiarc | I spent the whole day with cachegrind dumps and I'm pretty sure it's not in the app, but in an extension somewhere |
| 03:11.06 | Shirik | hrm |
| 03:11.18 | Antiarc | I don't have a lot of room to recompile stuff with debug symbols here, unfortunately |
| 03:11.22 | Shirik | Between my lack of knowledge of Apache and lack of knowledge of UNIX I don't think I'm going to be much help, unfortunately |
| 03:11.27 | Antiarc | So I'm playing best-guess-whack-a-mole |
| 03:11.31 | Shirik | I could try but I mean |
| 03:11.36 | Shirik | I don't usually work on POSIX systems |
| 03:11.40 | Antiarc | Hrm. Fair enough. |
| 03:11.55 | Antiarc | I do know that it's just allocating all that RAM and then using mmap to zero it |
| 03:12.03 | Antiarc | But I can't figure out what's doing it, exactly. |
| 03:12.24 | Iriel | Yeah, brk + mmap looks like it's just malloc grabbing more space |
| 03:12.38 | Antiarc | which is normal, except when it happens 1gb at a time. |
| 03:13.03 | Antiarc | As far as I can tell, it's not actually doing anything with that memory, just grabbing it and sitting on it. |
| 03:13.09 | Shirik | malloc zeros your memory? |
| 03:13.17 | Antiarc | no, mmaping it to /dev/null does. |
| 03:13.27 | Shirik | my comment was at Iriel's statement |
| 03:13.41 | Iriel | Shirik: It depends what library you're using |
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| 03:13.50 | Iriel | Shirik: Apache seems to have its own memory management layer anyway |
| 03:14.02 | Iriel | Antiarc: Do you have any large (1GB ish) files served by your apache? |
| 03:14.17 | Antiarc | nope. |
| 03:14.26 | Iriel | Any large log files? |
| 03:14.34 | Iriel | (i.e. do you rotate ALL apache logs) |
| 03:14.51 | Antiarc | Pretty sure they're all being rotated, but I'll check. |
| 03:15.01 | Iriel | (and yes, i'm just doing informed googling) |
| 03:15.17 | Shirik | I'm just reading man pages |
| 03:15.18 | Shirik | :) |
| 03:15.26 | Antiarc | Yeah, biggest file I have is 38mb. |
| 03:15.29 | Antiarc | logfile. |
| 03:15.44 | Shirik | do you have anything more in that strace? |
| 03:15.48 | Shirik | Or is it just brk and mmap |
| 03:15.49 | Antiarc | A whole hell of a lot :P |
| 03:15.50 | Cairenn | just got her BC ticket - guess you guys are going to be stuck with me after all |
| 03:15.57 | Shirik | like is there any file opens |
| 03:16.08 | Iriel | I would ask "what comes immediately before the allocation" |
| 03:16.12 | Antiarc | Yeah, standard stuff. Nothing in proximity to the allocations. |
| 03:16.12 | Iriel | i.e. the previous say 30 lines |
| 03:16.14 | Iriel | in a pastey |
| 03:16.19 | Shirik | Cairenn wasn't sure if she was going to Blizzcon? |
| 03:16.25 | Antiarc | Sure. Gimme a few. It's pretty much just HTTP responses though. |
| 03:16.42 | Cairenn | hey, things can always go wrong at the last minute |
| 03:16.49 | Cairenn | but I'm one step closer |
| 03:16.54 | Shirik | would be interesting to run apache in valgrind |
| 03:16.59 | Shirik | if you can afford it |
| 03:17.22 | Shirik | not sure how powerful or critical this server is |
| 03:17.33 | Shirik | or, for that matter, how reproducable the problem is |
| 03:17.46 | sylvanaar | anyone in non enUS locale that will run a quick test for me? |
| 03:17.56 | Antiarc | It's reproduable. The machines are beasts, but again, I don't have a lot of leeway to recompile for use with valgrind. |
| 03:18.00 | Antiarc | I'm playing junior sysadmin here. |
| 03:18.36 | Iriel | How long from startup to explosion? |
| 03:18.46 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/1209101.txt?key=2jc4edg3vbg9bdykk1m9a |
| 03:18.58 | Antiarc | Varies. Sometimes as few as a couple seconds, sometimes minutes. |
| 03:19.06 | Antiarc | I haven't been able to correlate it to any single request. |
| 03:19.51 | Antiarc | We were having problems earlier today where servers were eating 16GB of RAM and getting deep into swap within seconds of being put back into the cluster. |
| 03:21.42 | Iriel | What are the MaxClients / MaxRequestsPerClient set to? |
| 03:21.48 | Antiarc | Very High(TM) |
| 03:21.55 | Iriel | Sorry that's MaxRequestsPerChild |
| 03:21.59 | Antiarc | Too high, but that's not my call :( |
| 03:22.17 | Antiarc | 4k requests/child. |
| 03:22.39 | Antiarc | Actually, those lines preceeding are reading from a database handle. Hmmm. |
| 03:22.39 | Iriel | That seems about right |
| 03:22.40 | Shirik | call me stupid here but um |
| 03:22.45 | Shirik | isn't this an apache server? |
| 03:22.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:22.47 | Antiarc | Yes. |
| 03:22.54 | Shirik | I was about to say that's not writing out to HTTP stream |
| 03:22.59 | Shirik | I was trying to figure uot where it was reading from |
| 03:23.06 | Shirik | because that definitely doesn't come from the client :( |
| 03:23.07 | Shirik | :) |
| 03:23.24 | Shirik | what DB do you use? |
| 03:23.41 | Antiarc | That particular handle is mysql. We use mysql and mongodb. |
| 03:23.56 | Shirik | anything of note in mysql's stats? |
| 03:24.00 | Antiarc | Nope. |
| 03:24.08 | Antiarc | DB servers are stable and normal. |
| 03:24.46 | Shirik | I remember |
| 03:24.46 | Shirik | a bug |
| 03:24.49 | Shirik | gah what was it |
| 03:24.57 | Shirik | it really fucked up Wikipedia's servers for a while |
| 03:27.01 | Antiarc | Hrm. |
| 03:27.11 | Antiarc | It looks like this is persisting about a quarter mb query to memcached. |
| 03:27.19 | Antiarc | That makes me all suspicious-like. |
| 03:27.24 | Antiarc | And it's marshalling it before hand. |
| 03:27.29 | Antiarc | That makes me double suspicious. |
| 03:29.14 | Antiarc | But just hitting that URL doesn't invoke the behavior. Blaaaargh. |
| 03:29.23 | Shirik | yeah unfortunately I don't have any famiiarity with any of these technologies |
| 03:29.35 | Shirik | but I can tell you there was a bug between mysql and apache that did cause similar behavior a while back |
| 03:29.52 | Antiarc | Hrm. I'll google for it. |
| 03:29.59 | Shirik | but iirc mysql went into a spinlock and apache just ate up memory waiting for it until it dies |
| 03:30.10 | Shirik | and that odesn't seem to be the behavior here |
| 03:30.16 | Antiarc | No, doesn't seem to match. |
| 03:30.24 | Antiarc | It's a very specific amount of growth, and it happens all at once. |
| 03:31.35 | Iriel | Antiarc: is there an app running between HTTP and the database? |
| 03:31.47 | Antiarc | Yeah, wordpress :P |
| 03:36.59 | Antiarc | I've got logging out the wazoo in the actual app code, but I haven't been able to find any consistent anything that breaks it. |
| 03:41.50 | Antiarc | Now this is interesting. |
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| 03:42.22 | Antiarc | a) it always happens before a given operations, and b) when that operation doesn't cause kerblooey, the lines before it are mremap calls. |
| 03:43.15 | Antiarc | In the mremap cases, it's expanding by ~20kb. |
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| 03:43.52 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 03:45.53 | Thunder_Child | Cide: ty |
| 03:46.01 | Cide | for what? |
| 03:46.08 | Iriel | The mmap's you copied are only mapping a couple of MB |
| 03:46.16 | bluspacecow | nice |
| 03:47.25 | Thunder_Child | "<Cide> TC-Work: <option selected="selected" value="5">five</option>" |
| 03:47.42 | Antiarc | Iriel: There are a ton of those in a row, and they increase in size |
| 03:47.49 | Cide | that was so 5 hours ago |
| 03:47.52 | Cide | or more |
| 03:48.05 | Thunder_Child | i left work before you said that, and i just got home |
| 03:48.15 | Cide | 5 hour trip huh |
| 03:48.20 | Thunder_Child | no, i went out |
| 03:48.27 | Iriel | Antiarc: it smells a bit like a cache filling up to me, possibly a per-thread cache, of which you have too many |
| 03:49.01 | Iriel | Antiarc: Maybe it's worth seeing what kind of caching settings you have at both the DB and PHP and WordPress level |
| 03:49.22 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/1209124 |
| 03:49.25 | Iriel | I spend my days with my app server outside of apache, so I'm not much help there |
| 03:49.26 | Antiarc | There you go. |
| 03:49.34 | Antiarc | I prefer to, as well. :) |
| 03:49.46 | Iriel | Hm.. |
| 03:49.47 | Antiarc | In this case, I'm backup sysadminning to help get this pinned down. |
| 03:49.52 | Iriel | I wonder if you've got a runaway object there |
| 03:50.09 | Iriel | I've seen something similar in a java program that was appending data to a string and forgot to reset between calls |
| 03:50.11 | Antiarc | PHP's set to not use more than 128mb, which is why I'm thinking it's a misbehaved extension or apache module. |
| 03:50.22 | Iriel | every time it grew it was too large to fit in any single remaining memory fragment |
| 03:50.26 | Iriel | so a new allocation would happen |
| 03:50.34 | Antiarc | Oh, you know, that's a good point. |
| 03:50.46 | Antiarc | It might just be allocating larger and larger blocks to try to find one to fit. |
| 03:50.49 | Iriel | so while there was a TON of free memory, there wasn't much unfragmented memory |
| 03:50.54 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 03:52.11 | Iriel | What are between those entries? |
| 03:52.13 | Iriel | anything? |
| 03:52.35 | Dagmar | Nougat. |
| 03:52.46 | Iriel | no reads or anything? |
| 03:53.07 | Antiarc | Just brks |
| 03:53.19 | Antiarc | brk, mmap, brk, mmap, so on and so forth. |
| 03:53.30 | Iriel | So it's "busy code"not interactive code |
| 03:53.54 | Iriel | Any clues on the last thing that happened before the allocation explosion? |
| 03:54.06 | Iriel | or, if it's still alive, right after it |
| 03:56.43 | Antiarc | It's doing a memcache set. |
| 03:56.52 | Antiarc | Value's about 250kb. |
| 03:56.59 | Antiarc | A bit large but not unreasonable. |
| 03:58.33 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/Badge_BluspaceSML.jpg |
| 03:59.56 | Kemayo | Egads heirlooms are expensive on the PTR. |
| 04:02.02 | Shirik | what OS is this btw Antiarc? |
| 04:02.06 | Antiarc | RHEL 5 |
| 04:02.10 | Antiarc | x86_64 |
| 04:04.40 | Dagmar | That's pretty awesome that spam is getting lodged in your server |
| 04:06.43 | Dagmar | Whoa. "pharma" in the name and it's not spam apparently. |
| 04:17.15 | Dagmar | I don't think whatever's causing the memory issue is in those log pastes |
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| 04:30.44 | Antiarc | It is. |
| 04:30.56 | Antiarc | It turns out that some code was trying to shove a 20mb value into memcached. |
| 04:30.57 | Antiarc | :V |
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| 05:09.44 | Arrowmaster | oh god this movie is so bad its awesome |
| 05:22.59 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:23.01 | Thunder_Child | no it is not |
| 05:23.21 | Arrowmaster | yes, yes it is |
| 05:23.34 | Arrowmaster | because its one big twilight parody |
| 05:23.42 | Arrowmaster | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1666186/ |
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| 05:43.54 | Antiarc | well, issue fixed |
| 05:44.14 | Antiarc | it turns out that the pecl memcached extension gets really cranky if you try to set a value larger than 1mb or so. |
| 05:51.42 | Antiarc | I can has 1mb? Thanks! Will 20mb fit in 1mb? Nope! I can has 1.1mb? Thanks! |
| 05:51.54 | Antiarc | 900mb later... |
| 05:54.57 | Iriel | Antiarc: ah, so it was behaving exactly like we thought it might have been |
| 05:55.12 | Antiarc | yeah. |
| 05:56.18 | Antiarc | 12 hours and no food later, I'm tired and hungry and want to just shoot some zombies or do something equally mindless. |
| 05:58.14 | Thunder_Child | like be a zombie? |
| 06:01.09 | Motig | I had a dream last night... that someone else uploaded the exact same addon as I did |
| 06:01.15 | Motig | I wasn't sure what to think of it |
| 06:01.22 | Motig | :p |
| 06:01.29 | Antiarc | Mathematically speaking it's happened in some universe somewhere. |
| 06:01.46 | Thunder_Child | asuming our math is correct :p |
| 06:02.07 | Thunder_Child | assuming |
| 06:03.41 | Antiarc | I'm just an internet nerd, not a physicist! |
| 06:12.03 | Dagmar | Trees are positively made of wood. |
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| 07:05.58 | tekkub | fuck you Xinhuan! |
| 07:06.13 | tekkub | words with friends just gave me OXINAUN |
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| 07:19.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:26.56 | Xinhuan | what tekkub |
| 07:27.32 | Fisker | hey Xinhuan |
| 07:27.40 | Fisker | wow Antiarc |
| 07:27.45 | Fisker | 900mb is almost a single bit |
| 07:27.55 | Fisker | :3's |
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| 07:45.20 | Adys | Fisker |
| 07:45.23 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/10/09/Screenshot.png |
| 07:45.25 | Adys | :3 |
| 07:56.29 | Fisker | why are you making wow tooltips for dos? |
| 08:01.23 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know how much Azerothian Flying is gonna cost? |
| 08:01.37 | Fisker | think it was 500g last i trained it |
| 08:01.44 | Dagmar | Supposedly less than 1000g |
| 08:01.51 | ZorbaTHut | oh that's not too bad |
| 08:01.53 | nevcairiel | its called flightmaster license now, and i think 250 was the last i saw it at |
| 08:02.09 | Fisker | keeps getting better and better |
| 08:02.24 | Fisker | i should've done glory of the ulduar raider on all my characters though :( |
| 08:02.24 | Dagmar | I'm still praying 4.x won't demolish the value of badges |
| 08:04.22 | nevcairiel | still some time |
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| 08:15.18 | Fisker | i wish i were magneto nevcairiel |
| 08:15.46 | Fisker | my cat farted :( |
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| 08:32.04 | industrial | apparently I can just go and kill level 60 elites at level 56 o-O |
| 08:32.39 | ZorbaTHut | industrial, depending on the elite, that's not entirely surprising |
| 08:32.47 | industrial | frostmaul giant |
| 08:32.59 | industrial | its an elite, it should be raeping me :D |
| 08:33.14 | ZorbaTHut | "elite" can mean anything from "rape" to "somewhat difficult" |
| 08:33.21 | ZorbaTHut | in this case, it's the latter :) |
| 08:34.32 | nevcairiel | soemtimes elites just have a bit more HP, and thats it |
| 08:35.25 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. or a bit more HP and hit slightly harder. |
| 08:35.48 | ZorbaTHut | when you can often chainpull normals without ever resting, an elite might go all the way up to "eat after killing it". |
| 08:36.21 | ZorbaTHut | And then sometimes it's "ho boy don't even think about this dude unless you have a five-man/ten-man/25-man/40-man". |
| 08:52.10 | msoul | Anyone trying arms spec in the ptr? |
| 08:52.56 | Stanzilla | I did |
| 08:53.23 | Stanzilla | well, I tried on beta |
| 08:53.25 | Stanzilla | at 85 |
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| 08:54.02 | msoul | I'm trying it at lvl 80 atm |
| 08:54.18 | msoul | I just hope it would be as competitive as fury is |
| 08:54.47 | Stanzilla | not really |
| 08:54.53 | Stanzilla | at 85 it's better than fury |
| 08:54.58 | Stanzilla | for entry level raids etc |
| 08:55.30 | msoul | fury is a gear dependant |
| 08:55.42 | Stanzilla | yupp |
| 08:55.55 | msoul | so better gear and things will change upside down again |
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| 09:09.26 | Fisker | i wish i were magneto Stanzilla |
| 09:09.40 | Stanzilla | nice |
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| 09:10.51 | harl | wuff wuff |
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| 09:18.51 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 09:23.53 | bluspacecow | herp |
| 09:24.42 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 09:24.53 | bluspacecow | hey |
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| 09:33.30 | Fisker | i once killed a guy bluspacecow |
| 09:37.32 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 09:38.22 | Fisker | yea |
| 09:38.24 | Fisker | for free |
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| 09:41.08 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 09:52.03 | nevcairiel | Anyone else having issues logging into gmail using IMAP? It claims my password is wrong, web login works, however |
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| 10:03.02 | Stanzilla | works for me |
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| 10:07.36 | Fisker | people are so cute nevcairiel <3 |
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| 11:07.05 | Jamash | sup bros |
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| 11:09.26 | amro | sup ho |
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| 11:11.38 | Fisker | Kalrothmen |
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| 11:20.38 | nevcairiel | anyone know some simple software to automatically sync a local folder with a remote share? (windows) Like, on every login/logout or something |
| 11:21.58 | haste | couldn't you just abuse rsync and some login script? |
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| 11:24.35 | nevcairiel | perfect would be directly working on the remote share, but keeping a local backup for the times when i'm not at the network |
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| 11:28.58 | nevcairiel | windows has this "windows live sync" .. wonder if it works with a samba share on the other end.. hm |
| 11:30.05 | Fisker | i thought live sync was cloud only |
| 11:30.45 | nevcairiel | it can sync locally as well |
| 11:30.51 | nevcairiel | but requires the app to be installed on both systems |
| 11:30.52 | nevcairiel | fail |
| 11:31.27 | Fisker | sure it isn't "client a puts it in the cloud, and client b retrieves it from the cloud"? |
| 11:33.20 | nevcairiel | I had my important data on a raid 1 in my local box before, now i just want to rip out those old rustry drives and keep a synchronized copy on my file server .. that can't be too hard <.< |
| 11:35.28 | Humbedooh | http://www.ftpsynch.com/ ? |
| 11:37.02 | nevcairiel | I could just screw the synchronized and setup a job to back it up every other day or so |
| 11:38.38 | nevcairiel | boo, i ated all my skittles |
| 11:39.28 | Fisker | i skittl'd |
| 11:40.30 | nevcairiel | I'll just keep it on the remote for now and figure out how to get a local copy for when i'm away later |
| 11:40.31 | nevcairiel | =P |
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| 12:21.03 | Fisker | yawn |
| 12:21.23 | Fisker | why are Blizzard wasting their time penalizing people for automation when they can just use the web ah to remove all those restrictions |
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| 12:23.11 | amro | why Fisker |
| 12:23.12 | amro | why |
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| 12:25.46 | Fisker | why amro ? |
| 12:25.56 | amro | because Fisker |
| 12:27.21 | Fisker | why amro ? |
| 12:31.12 | A-KO | http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-12-15/csi2.jpg |
| 12:33.48 | amro | that punchline needs work |
| 12:36.01 | Fisker | why amro ? |
| 12:38.33 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU |
| 12:38.36 | A-KO | oldie but goodie |
| 12:39.03 | Fisker | you have failed me Antiarc |
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| 12:45.20 | amro | A-KO: that's awesome |
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| 13:18.29 | cbreak | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1452.html... |
| 13:19.19 | Jamash | earth bride's gown = hawt |
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| 13:36.42 | msoul | yays, you can refresh your DoT at anytime |
| 13:36.57 | msoul | no need to wait to the last tick |
| 13:41.41 | A-KO | A few targets -- in this case, you might be CC'ing one or two, tanking a few others, but burning down the targets one at a time. If the dps are on the right target and pulling off of you, then we're back to situation one. If they are on the wrong target, then they are playing badly and should be corrected and / or mocked, depending on how you roll. |
| 13:41.43 | A-KO | ^^^ win |
| 13:43.03 | A-KO | I like how Blizzard is finally telling it straight to people |
| 13:43.33 | A-KO | Of course, this is all stuff quite a few of us already knew :P But I wuld say that only 5% of the population understands that basic mechanic |
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| 13:45.06 | cbreak | I have had a "Focus Fire!" macro for raids for years |
| 13:45.22 | cbreak | but people still aoe down packs :/ |
| 13:45.25 | cbreak | even in heroics |
| 13:46.08 | Jamash | WAI in wrath |
| 13:46.19 | Jamash | not so much in cata |
| 13:46.50 | cbreak | WAI? |
| 13:47.07 | Jamash | working as intended |
| 13:47.10 | cbreak | I did that in classic, I did it in TBC, I did it in WotLK |
| 13:47.40 | Jamash | if you can aoe people will aoe |
| 13:48.08 | Jamash | which is why aoe is getting nerfed in cata |
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| 13:53.27 | jnwhiteh | Anyone happen to have a icon border image sitting somewhere? |
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| 14:19.39 | Thunder_Child | whomever set the blizzcon schedule should be shot |
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| 14:21.34 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.53 | Thunder_Child | huh, the pre-blizz store thing is starting today |
| 14:23.31 | Stanzilla | what's the pre blizz store thing |
| 14:23.59 | Thunder_Child | it's for people attending the store |
| 14:24.07 | Thunder_Child | s/store/blizzcon/ |
| 14:24.12 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 14:24.26 | Thunder_Child | http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/ first section under news |
| 14:24.35 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 14:25.07 | nevcairiel | ah, virtual tickets have it in 2 days |
| 14:25.11 | nevcairiel | or 4, actually |
| 14:25.14 | nevcairiel | 2 after yours ends |
| 14:25.32 | Stanzilla | is it already known what you get to buy? |
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| 14:26.06 | Thunder_Child | just says 'select' |
| 14:26.07 | nevcairiel | http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:6,c:32 |
| 14:26.09 | nevcairiel | those, apparently |
| 14:26.20 | Thunder_Child | i think they will add more during the timeframe |
| 14:26.38 | Thunder_Child | since i am qute sure thats something you can get any time |
| 14:26.45 | Thunder_Child | quite* |
| 14:28.51 | nevcairiel | most lieky |
| 14:28.54 | nevcairiel | *likely |
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| 15:05.14 | jnwhiteh | New version of Clique-cata released, supporting global (hovercast) bindings, friend/enemy click-sets, out-of-combat click-set and more. Please check it out: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=18181#info |
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| 15:50.26 | msoul | My son laying on bed and gave me a look "Hmm I wonder why you're telling me this" look :) |
| 15:50.45 | msoul | Happiest thing ever happened to me in my life |
| 15:50.56 | msoul | having a son not the look part :) |
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| 15:54.25 | amro | msoul: what did you tell him? the surface area of new guinea? |
| 15:55.21 | msoul | amro: he loves keeping us up. every now and then I just tell him "Good morning, Mr party time!" |
| 15:55.30 | msoul | phrase from the three amigos if you've seen it |
| 15:55.40 | msoul | By Freddy Soto stand up comedian |
| 15:56.29 | msoul | I didn't understand your second part of your question btw the surface of new guinea |
| 15:56.37 | msoul | isn't guinea a slur? |
| 15:56.44 | amro | new guinea is an island |
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| 15:56.59 | msoul | oh, apologies for the misunderstanding |
| 15:57.52 | msoul | he's a 2 months old :) |
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| 15:58.26 | amro | ah good, it's not too late to start his martial arts training |
| 15:59.33 | msoul | I don't know if I would let him do that :/ |
| 15:59.53 | msoul | sports fine by me... but anything that might hurt him/ or others is a no no |
| 16:00.19 | nevcairiel | sometimes hurting others is the only way to not getting hurt yourself |
| 16:00.21 | msoul | football definitely |
| 16:00.33 | msoul | or soccer if you will :) |
| 16:00.55 | msoul | nevcairiel: I hope he won't get in a situation were he must hurt others to protect himself |
| 16:01.10 | Thunder_Child | but he might, which is why being able to defend yourself is important |
| 16:01.44 | Cide | vital |
| 16:01.47 | Cide | critical in fact |
| 16:01.54 | Cide | life-critical in fact |
| 16:02.32 | Thunder_Child | Cide |
| 16:02.34 | Thunder_Child | relax |
| 16:02.40 | Cide | I'm relaxed |
| 16:02.50 | Thunder_Child | oh? |
| 16:02.50 | msoul | Thunder_Child: can't argue you there but I'm hoping :/ |
| 16:02.55 | amro | being a martial artist is always awesome |
| 16:03.10 | Cide | sweet |
| 16:03.10 | amro | you can go anyplace full of experts in any field and still look like a total badass |
| 16:03.12 | msoul | but personally |
| 16:03.21 | Cide | apparently my fedora install doesn't support accelerated 3d graphics |
| 16:03.25 | Cide | go go ati drivers |
| 16:03.37 | Thunder_Child | and there is your problem |
| 16:03.39 | msoul | I never got into a situation were I had to hurt somebody |
| 16:03.41 | amro | the f in fglrx is for fail |
| 16:04.03 | amro | msoul: it's not about hurting others at all |
| 16:04.06 | msoul | even if the person is calling me names "which it did happen" I just pass |
| 16:04.15 | msoul | unless the person is assaulting me that's different |
| 16:04.21 | amro | in fact, there are many martial arts disciplines which are about NOT hurting your opponent |
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| 16:04.44 | Dagmar | ...such as Wuss-Fu |
| 16:04.44 | msoul | haha |
| 16:05.01 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aikido |
| 16:05.08 | amro | is just one example |
| 16:05.10 | msoul | amro: I don't know... it's all about how you raise your kid really :) |
| 16:05.28 | msoul | I see underage kids with kiskinkorva here "in Finland" |
| 16:05.34 | msoul | very strong alcohol |
| 16:05.44 | msoul | or kids asking drunks to buy them cigarettes/beer |
| 16:05.54 | msoul | and yes those idiots do so and buy kids |
| 16:05.58 | amro | and if they were martial artists, they wouldn't need alcohol to escape from their problems. |
| 16:06.28 | msoul | Football! Hockey whatever sport he get interested in |
| 16:06.39 | Thunder_Child | msoul: it is a tool like any other, it does not need to be used, but it is there if needed |
| 16:07.28 | amro | also, he could just go to hong kong and become the next bruce lee/jackie chan |
| 16:07.30 | amro | make awesome movies |
| 16:07.33 | msoul | Thunder_Child: let me tell you this |
| 16:07.51 | msoul | Thunder_Child: my dad, wife and others think I'm overly protective of my son and yes it is true |
| 16:08.15 | msoul | could be the reason why I am saying what I am saying now that he would never get into any martial arts since I fear he might hurt himself or others etc |
| 16:08.33 | Thunder_Child | he is going to hurt himself anyway, thats what children do |
| 16:08.34 | msoul | amro: now I sense mockery in you :) |
| 16:08.37 | Thunder_Child | it's a learning process |
| 16:08.50 | msoul | :/ |
| 16:08.54 | amro | msoul: mockery? why? |
| 16:08.57 | Dagmar | One that's getting harder each day |
| 16:09.03 | amro | I have nothing but respect for bruce lee |
| 16:09.04 | msoul | amro: the jonk kong part |
| 16:09.13 | msoul | Dagmar: sad but true |
| 16:09.18 | msoul | nevertheless |
| 16:09.18 | Dagmar | I used to hang out at a park with a playground in it. I went back recently. The entire park is safe as hell now. |
| 16:09.25 | msoul | it's "all" about how you raise your kid really |
| 16:09.36 | Dagmar | THey've got what *looked* like asphalt all around this mosaic dragon |
| 16:09.44 | Dagmar | It turned out to be some kinda freakin spongy rubber |
| 16:09.51 | msoul | oh that kinds of hurt |
| 16:09.53 | Dagmar | Soft wood chips everywhere |
| 16:10.07 | msoul | you should see how I was walking behind my nephew when my sis in law visited us with him |
| 16:10.22 | msoul | was fearing that he might fell and hurt his head |
| 16:10.30 | Dagmar | How the heck are kids going to learn not to try skateboarding off the roof because gravity is a bastard if they never manage to hurt themselves? |
| 16:10.35 | msoul | was a painful hours |
| 16:10.45 | amro | msoul: then I guess breaking bricks with his head is out of the question |
| 16:10.56 | msoul | Dagmar: that's what Dads should teach thewir kids ;) |
| 16:11.28 | msoul | I should tell the wifey she's right behind me |
| 16:11.33 | amro | Dagmar: show them a video of skateboarding bails, if anything happens after that I call it natural selection |
| 16:11.45 | msoul | asked her |
| 16:12.11 | msoul | everyone tells me he should get into martial arts what do you think? her asnswer was: if he wants to do it himself ewhy not" |
| 16:12.20 | amro | doesn't have to make a career out of it msoul |
| 16:12.27 | amro | but I think every kid should do at least 1 year of martial arts |
| 16:12.29 | msoul | amro: hehe yeah I know |
| 16:12.32 | Dagmar | amro: They know nothing on the TV is real |
| 16:12.36 | Dagmar | No good |
| 16:13.05 | msoul | amro: to be truthful I don't consider it sport |
| 16:13.12 | msoul | or put it under that category |
| 16:13.16 | msoul | but that's only me |
| 16:13.24 | amro | that's why they're called martial arts |
| 16:13.25 | amro | not sports |
| 16:13.45 | amro | but the thing is, they're not going to learn discipline at school |
| 16:13.49 | amro | at a dojo, they might |
| 16:14.08 | amro | if you spend one year doing katas in unison, you tend to get the hang of discipline |
| 16:14.44 | amro | it helps that the master can smack them silly for dicking around |
| 16:15.32 | msoul | So the point of you suggesting that he should get into martial arts not to learn how to defend himself, but rather get discipline? |
| 16:15.57 | amro | a little of both |
| 16:16.01 | amro | mostly for the discipline bit |
| 16:16.24 | msoul | Hmm, no offence but I don't see/understand that logic |
| 16:16.35 | msoul | where is "us" in the picture then |
| 16:16.38 | amro | what don't you see? the importance of discipline or how he can learn it from martial arts? |
| 16:16.43 | msoul | he must call his teacher or whatever dad too |
| 16:16.49 | amro | no |
| 16:17.00 | amro | I didn't say to drop him at some temple in rural china for 3 years :P |
| 16:17.09 | amro | but it's a good extra curricular activity |
| 16:17.12 | amro | twice a week or so |
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| 16:18.16 | msoul | I see |
| 16:18.30 | msoul | well, it's too soon to speak of these things :) |
| 16:18.38 | msoul | I'm just watching him grow with pride |
| 16:18.59 | msoul | before, I used to tell my mom and others |
| 16:19.23 | msoul | I'm the guy who appreciaye quiteness etc |
| 16:20.10 | msoul | I don't go out very often cause some guys are plain idiots "he said this/he did that" that kiund of stories doesn't rewally convern me so I pulled myself out from almost everyone ezcept 2 close friends now |
| 16:20.39 | amro | I think you should get into martial arts :) |
| 16:20.54 | msoul | and when I got my son... I can't reallt describe how a father do feel really but I jump off of our bed once I hear him cry |
| 16:20.58 | msoul | amro: lol |
| 16:21.00 | amro | people aren't douchebags when they know you can break them in half |
| 16:21.31 | msoul | amro: to be truthful, I've always thought I was born in the wrong generation :/ |
| 16:22.00 | msoul | I mean I expect girls to gossip etc not grown ass men "no offence to anyone" |
| 16:22.19 | msoul | or jealousy |
| 16:22.28 | amro | you should say "offense to everyone you fucking pussies" |
| 16:23.35 | amro | I get the general feeling that scandinivia isn't as manly as it used to be |
| 16:24.24 | msoul | I'm not from .fi by the way. moved here and got married with a .fi woman :) |
| 16:24.30 | msoul | but that's a diff story |
| 16:32.05 | msoul | its funny to see him can't hold his head |
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| 16:44.23 | Xinhuan | i'm a bit confused about the time zone, is the blizzcon pre-sale in 15 min? |
| 16:44.46 | Xinhuan | or is it longer |
| 16:44.53 | Xinhuan | damn daylight savings and what not |
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| 16:46.20 | cbreak | time zones don't have daylight saving times |
| 16:46.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:46.28 | Shirik | I have to send in my tuition bill to Adobe |
| 16:46.36 | cbreak | for example, CET is central europe time, a 1 hour offset of UTC |
| 16:46.37 | Shirik | so I look it up and it's all like "lol you owe $35" |
| 16:46.44 | Shirik | and I'm like "wtf no school is paying for everything" |
| 16:46.50 | cbreak | CEST is central europe daylight saving time, 2 hour offset |
| 16:46.58 | cbreak | a different time zone name |
| 16:46.59 | Shirik | and then they're all like "lolol -------- Traffic Fine F0900145 $35.00" |
| 16:47.14 | kd3 | you park somewhere you weren't supposed to? |
| 16:47.23 | Xinhuan | unfortunately, "pacific time" doesn't say whether DST is in effect or not |
| 16:47.27 | Shirik | I'm assuming F09 is fall 2009 |
| 16:47.36 | Shirik | so I have no idea a year ago |
| 16:47.38 | kd3 | it's 09:47 PDT right now |
| 16:47.44 | cbreak | February? |
| 16:48.10 | cbreak | and: adobe is evil |
| 16:48.19 | cbreak | microsoft seems to be interested in buying them |
| 16:48.23 | cbreak | a good match I guess |
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| 16:50.45 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:50.47 | Fisker | you are a Shirik |
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| 16:52.55 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:53.00 | Shirik | you are a Fisker |
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| 16:56.16 | Fisker | true Shirik |
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| 17:05.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:08.41 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 17:13.09 | Lunessa | "Crying in general is fairly unattractive." ~Ghostcrawler. LULZ |
| 17:14.13 | cbreak | there are situations where it's cute |
| 17:16.33 | Lunessa | cbreak: Involving small children and dropped ice cream cones? |
| 17:16.51 | Lunessa | Or really, really, really drunk hot girls? |
| 17:17.32 | cbreak | doesn't even need to be really really hot. |
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| 17:18.20 | amro | hence the "in general" |
| 17:18.29 | amro | and cute != attractive |
| 17:18.42 | amro | that would be a disturbing link |
| 17:19.02 | cbreak | humans are naturally attracted to cute things |
| 17:19.10 | cbreak | that's why babies are cute |
| 17:19.17 | cbreak | to provoke parents to care for them |
| 17:19.30 | amro | yeah but hot girl cute and baby cute are very different things |
| 17:19.52 | cbreak | propose an extension to the english language for that situation |
| 17:20.06 | cbreak | such a limitation can not be accepted! |
| 17:23.10 | jnwhiteh | !api SPELL_LEARNED_IN_TAB |
| 17:23.10 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SPELL_LEARNED_IN_TAB'. |
| 17:23.41 | jnwhiteh | ah its reversed =) |
| 17:23.57 | sylvanaar | wow regen is actually insane |
| 17:24.04 | sylvanaar | insanely broken |
| 17:25.48 | sylvanaar | look at my mana log http://paste.wowace.com/2555/ |
| 17:28.14 | zenzelezz | live or test/beta? |
| 17:29.18 | cbreak | regen is not really an issue for me |
| 17:29.21 | cbreak | is a mage |
| 17:30.09 | Shirik | regen is not really an issue for me |
| 17:30.10 | Shirik | is a priest |
| 17:30.27 | cbreak | the only time when I need it is when I switch specs |
| 17:30.34 | zenzelezz | regen is entirely not an issue for me |
| 17:30.37 | zenzelezz | is a warrior |
| 17:30.48 | cbreak | rage regen? not an issue? |
| 17:31.03 | cbreak | it's the only thing that limits your dps output until you reach cooldown/gcd cap |
| 17:31.03 | zenzelezz | you don't regenerate rage |
| 17:31.07 | zenzelezz | you just generate it |
| 17:31.18 | zenzelezz | and it's still not been an issue |
| 17:31.21 | cbreak | be more environmentally responsible |
| 17:31.42 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 17:31.55 | Shirik | only 82? |
| 17:32.04 | Lunessa | dumps mana in secret waste dumps. |
| 17:32.08 | Shirik | After running for 40 minutes it feels like 200 :( |
| 17:32.10 | cbreak | that bot lacks a ° sign |
| 17:32.47 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:33.16 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 17:33.59 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:34.04 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 17:34.06 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:34.09 | Shirik | hey <3 |
| 17:34.42 | Fisker | exactly |
| 17:36.38 | sylvanaar | zenzelezz: beta |
| 17:36.45 | zenzelezz | http://failblog.org/2010/10/08/epic-fail-photos-job-posting-fail/ |
| 17:37.17 | sylvanaar | its a bug of some sort |
| 17:37.36 | sylvanaar | i shouldnt have had the 20-30k mana regens |
| 17:38.11 | sylvanaar | it happened the same time i was getting the message :you arent ina guild" |
| 17:38.34 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I bet they get all kinds of calls they weren't expecting |
| 17:39.01 | cbreak | sylvanaar: I had both in live already |
| 17:39.09 | cbreak | once I had a 100k mana regen in ulduar |
| 17:39.10 | A-KO | http://www.officialbridgeday.com/bridge-day-rappel < looks like fun |
| 17:39.20 | cbreak | and "you are not in a guild" happens every time during logout |
| 17:39.33 | cbreak | since you seem to "leave the guild" when logging out |
| 17:39.38 | cbreak | like chat channels |
| 17:39.45 | sylvanaar | on beta its on log in |
| 17:39.50 | sylvanaar | thats useful |
| 17:40.13 | amro | you are not in a guild. have some mana for consolation |
| 17:40.50 | sylvanaar | its alot of mana - i didnt go oom |
| 17:41.04 | sylvanaar | and it regenned back fast |
| 17:41.12 | sylvanaar | thats a big deal for beta |
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| 17:54.05 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5659219/f+stop-watch-measures-the-minutes-in-aperture-numbers |
| 17:54.21 | Shirik | omfg |
| 17:54.23 | Shirik | I need one of those |
| 17:54.32 | Thunder_Child | it's only $36 |
| 17:56.50 | Shirik | I might do it |
| 17:57.17 | Fisker | that watch sucks Shirik |
| 17:57.38 | Shirik | you suck Fiskerk |
| 17:58.56 | Fisker | no |
| 18:00.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: why arent you doing something like this in your garage? http://gizmodo.com/5658725/suburban-garage-gallery/gallery/1 |
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| 18:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: well, I lasted a while. I realized today that I'm addicted to reddit. |
| 18:17.33 | kd3 | fail |
| 18:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | meh. |
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| 18:17.42 | kd3 | refuses to go to reddit, even after the digg disaster |
| 18:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 18:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | when did that change? |
| 18:18.00 | kd3 | after the last site revamp a few months back |
| 18:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | meh. /r/starcraft is pretty much it |
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| 18:20.24 | cbreak | digg disaster? |
| 18:20.36 | cbreak | I found it prety much worthless all the time, has that changed? |
| 18:20.47 | kd3 | well; more worthless than before |
| 18:21.36 | TMc51 | I never knew it could get more worthless. |
| 18:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | it has |
| 18:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | while previously it was thousands of votes on things submitted by people |
| 18:22.19 | ScytheBlade1 | the only thing that hits the front page anymore is automated submissions and they cap out around ~300 |
| 18:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | the site lost a HUGE volume of traffic |
| 18:23.10 | foxlit | "A spokesman for Romney said the politician will stop using the Mitt.ly URL, [...] "we're learning about this for the first time and taking steps to change the domain for our site."" |
| 18:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 18:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | because of the URL shortening sites? |
| 18:24.37 | cbreak | I don't like lybia anyway, even less about one of their stupid politicians |
| 18:24.45 | foxlit | I'm imagining someone somewhere going "Wait, you mean those TLDs belong to someone and follow their laws?!" |
| 18:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 18:29.16 | cbreak | that's the risk with nationaly controlled entities |
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| 18:47.32 | Thunder_Child | new dru tank just joined the party with the name 'catasucks' |
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| 18:52.37 | Cide | hi |
| 18:55.37 | Thunder_Child | Cide |
| 18:56.45 | Cide | Thunder_Child: |
| 19:00.45 | Ackis | tomorrow is 10-10-10 |
| 19:01.03 | nevcairiel | we'll celebrate at 10:10:10 then! |
| 19:01.15 | Ackis | nevcairiel: what's 101010 in binary? |
| 19:01.16 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:01.44 | nevcairiel | 1 1000 1010 1001 0010 |
| 19:02.13 | nevcairiel | the other way is too easy :P |
| 19:02.14 | Ackis | no |
| 19:02.16 | Ackis | 42 |
| 19:02.17 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:02.29 | Ackis | 42 is winnnn |
| 19:05.12 | Torhal | unleashes a velociraptor in Ackis's pants. |
| 19:06.29 | zenzelezz | http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,793562/56-games-which-gamers-and-press-judged-very-differently/News/ - this sounded fun, except it seemed like at least half the games were just 10-20 points apart |
| 19:07.32 | nevcairiel | I only clicked through half of the games, but was there one that gamers liked more then press? |
| 19:07.54 | zenzelezz | not that I noticed |
| 19:08.19 | nevcairiel | i guess that was their point to make |
| 19:08.21 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
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| 19:16.08 | Arrowmaster | id rather see that comparison done with console games |
| 19:16.47 | amro | why do people still use points? |
| 19:16.55 | zenzelezz | I'd rather see it done without metacritic |
| 19:16.57 | amro | it's bad enough that steam uses mc |
| 19:17.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, its rather stupid |
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| 19:18.19 | Arrowmaster | how about a list of overhyped games that turned out to be letdowns vs under promoted games that turned out to be hidden gems |
| 19:18.40 | zenzelezz | probably because people are tired of hearing about Daikatana |
| 19:18.54 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: overhyped and letdown is basically that list |
| 19:19.28 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: AC2 was in that list, i didnt think AC2 was a letdown at all |
| 19:19.32 | nevcairiel | praised by press, but not so much by players |
| 19:19.56 | Lunessa | AC as in Asheron's Call? |
| 19:19.59 | zenzelezz | well, I wouldn't praise AC2, but I wouldn't rate it so bad either |
| 19:20.03 | Arrowmaster | assassins creed |
| 19:20.10 | Lunessa | Oh. Never played it. |
| 19:20.17 | nevcairiel | it got 29 by gamers, sounds pretty low |
| 19:21.29 | Arrowmaster | thats the pc version though |
| 19:21.41 | Arrowmaster | which i thought came out after the console versions |
| 19:21.53 | zenzelezz | it did |
| 19:22.07 | nevcairiel | that page is called pcgames, not console games :p |
| 19:22.19 | Arrowmaster | any game that comes out for pc after the console game should be invalid on that list because that fact alone is going to give it low reviews by gamers |
| 19:23.07 | Arrowmaster | also where are they getting these gamer numbers from? |
| 19:23.44 | zenzelezz | but let's not forget that AC and AC2 had a really hot producer |
| 19:23.52 | Arrowmaster | "Deus Ex: Invisible War: 80 versus 61 (press versus gamer)" |
| 19:23.55 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 19:24.08 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: must be a typo, should be 80 vs 16 |
| 19:24.08 | Arrowmaster | how did that get such good review by gamers |
| 19:24.55 | Arrowmaster | that game is a textbook example of the decline of PC game franchises by making them 'console friendly' |
| 19:25.30 | zenzelezz | I have hopes for DX3 |
| 19:26.03 | Arrowmaster | still dont know what platform to get that for |
| 19:26.21 | Arrowmaster | i have the other two on PC but i dont have a PC anymore |
| 19:26.22 | zenzelezz | I'll only ever get such games on the PC |
| 19:26.36 | zenzelezz | are you IRCing from your console? |
| 19:26.41 | Arrowmaster | linux |
| 19:26.51 | zenzelezz | I wasn't aware linux didn't run on PCs |
| 19:26.59 | Arrowmaster | it runs on toasters |
| 19:32.07 | Iriel | Anyone got a PTR UI extract in a handy git repo? |
| 19:32.54 | nevcairiel | i tried to export ptr, but i got alot of files at 0 bytes |
| 19:32.59 | nevcairiel | something went fishy there |
| 19:38.04 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: no, Blizzard finally listened to the people saying the UI was bloated and reduced it |
| 19:40.17 | nevcairiel | but why would they not delete the old files? :D |
| 19:40.52 | zenzelezz | so they could point to them and say "see? Diff them!" |
| 19:42.28 | zenzelezz | you know, they should include a "Bloat" addon in 4.0.1, one that is actually placed in Interface/AddOns, so they could tell people to go there and delete it |
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| 19:50.23 | olafski_ | < Ackis> tomorrow is 10-10-10 <-- thanks for reminding me, my anniversary =) |
| 19:53.50 | Gnarfoz | people who believe tomorrow is 10-10-10 are to blame for Y2K |
| 19:56.12 | Seerah | how is tomorrow *not* 10-10-10? |
| 19:56.38 | Arrowmaster | 2000 years off |
| 19:56.45 | mikma | haste: 10-10-10 <-- thanks for reminding me, my anniversary =) |
| 19:56.49 | mikma | wow |
| 19:56.54 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/fake.jpg |
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| 19:57.18 | Seerah | mikma: that's.... not really funny |
| 19:57.38 | mikma | then why am i laughing with tears |
| 19:58.10 | Seerah | would you like to show that to my coworker who actually has been physically abused by her boyfriend? |
| 19:58.28 | mikma | sure, why not since i don't know her |
| 19:58.38 | Seerah | sighs |
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| 19:59.06 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/33735_162379863787964_100000478556878_472485_400860_n.jpg |
| 20:09.23 | olafski_ | hm |
| 20:09.30 | olafski_ | that face in the middle seems to ruin the illusion |
| 20:09.36 | olafski_ | it doesn't move when you look at the face =( |
| 20:10.03 | DWSR | http://cheezburger.com/View/4048371968 |
| 20:13.01 | haste | mikma: lol wut |
| 20:13.45 | DWSR | haste: Persistence of vision |
| 20:13.46 | mikma | haste: don't mind about the first line, it was putty click + paste -error |
| 20:15.57 | haste | :3 |
| 20:16.10 | haste | mikma: happy two year anniversity tomorrow, or something :P |
| 20:17.08 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:17.12 | haste | Fisker |
| 20:17.13 | Fisker | i think i'll go ahead and use as a hat |
| 20:17.20 | Fisker | use you* |
| 20:17.31 | haste | no, not my hat! |
| 20:17.31 | Thunder_Child | sounds sexy |
| 20:19.54 | Fisker | then i might just you as a skirt Thunder_Child |
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| 20:20.35 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: why are you wearing a skirt? |
| 20:20.58 | zenzelezz | yeah, it's much more comfortable in the nude |
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| 20:22.09 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5658996/what-happens-when-you-smash-nitroglycerin-with-a-hammer-in-600x-slow-motion |
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| 20:22.50 | segora | Hello. |
| 20:23.16 | olafski | hai |
| 20:23.19 | Thunder_Child | Welcome |
| 20:23.58 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: did you use heirlooms on your worgen warlock leveling spree? |
| 20:24.17 | segora | is someone here able to help with a little lua/wow/api question? i defined a little table in a file .. something like table["stringkey"] = value ... i want to use this table in a second file of my addon |
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| 20:24.42 | Iriel | segora: is the table something that should be globally visible? |
| 20:25.10 | segora | yes, its defined like varname = {} .. varname["stringkey"] = value .. |
| 20:25.16 | segora | without the local keyword |
| 20:25.31 | Iriel | Then it'll already be visible to your 2nd file |
| 20:25.38 | segora | hmmm |
| 20:26.02 | Shirik | I'm going to assume .. is an ellipsis |
| 20:26.05 | zenzelezz | unless you're using it on startup and your second file loads first |
| 20:26.06 | Shirik | and not a concatenation |
| 20:26.22 | Iriel | do make sure that varname is something fairly distinct to your code, and not something like "spells" |
| 20:26.42 | segora | yes, i made that |
| 20:26.49 | segora | its something that should be unique |
| 20:26.58 | segora | and i load the file with the table at first |
| 20:27.00 | segora | in my toc file |
| 20:27.16 | DWSR | I thought that load order wasn't guarenteed in the TOC. |
| 20:27.28 | zenzelezz | seriously? o_O |
| 20:27.31 | Iriel | IT's ALWAYS guaranteed by the toc |
| 20:27.42 | Iriel | It's addon-to-addon load order (in the absence of dependencies) that's not guaranteed |
| 20:27.46 | DWSR | Sorry, yeah. |
| 20:27.48 | DWSR | Thanks. |
| 20:30.54 | segora | the second arg of CHAT_MSG_WHISPER is the name of the sender? |
| 20:31.18 | segora | so i have to use a select(2, ...) if i register that event |
| 20:31.30 | cbreak | no |
| 20:31.44 | nevcairiel | You can also just name the events in the argument list |
| 20:31.46 | cbreak | you can also do local a, b, c = |
| 20:31.52 | nevcairiel | don't *HAVE* to use ... :) |
| 20:32.08 | cbreak | or combine them |
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| 20:32.46 | segora | okay |
| 20:33.53 | segora | but the second return value is the name of the sender, is that correct? |
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| 20:34.11 | cbreak | return value of what method? |
| 20:34.40 | segora | well, not return value, argument, of the event CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 20:36.16 | cbreak | http://www.google.com/search?q=CHAT_MSG_WHISPER :) |
| 20:37.42 | Humbedooh | I would venture a guess that the return values are frame, event, sender, message |
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| 20:38.29 | cbreak | Humbedooh: you should validate your guess before writing any code based on it :D |
| 20:38.49 | Torhal | cbreak: Where's your sense of adventure? |
| 20:38.51 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:39.29 | cbreak | I used up my allotment of adventure sense for this month already. |
| 20:39.32 | Humbedooh | pft |
| 20:39.34 | segora | cbreak, is was just asking to doublecheck that i read the documentation on wowwiki properly |
| 20:39.48 | Humbedooh | okay then, it's message, sender, language, status etc then |
| 20:39.53 | cbreak | I think the documentation of wowprogramming is incomplete |
| 20:40.06 | cbreak | or at least, it makes some assumptions |
| 20:40.27 | cbreak | (that you have stripped away the event type itself) |
| 20:40.31 | Humbedooh | sounds like something nevcairiel would've written! |
| 20:40.39 | segora | okay, with "arg2" it is working now, i got the name of the sender |
| 20:40.55 | cbreak | arg2 sounds terribly nondescriptive |
| 20:40.58 | segora | don't know why it doesn't worked with select(2, ...)... |
| 20:41.02 | segora | yes |
| 20:41.03 | cbreak | you should call it sender :) |
| 20:41.18 | nevcairiel | Humbedooh: i didnt do event documentatioN! just some api functions |
| 20:41.35 | Humbedooh | "[22:40] <cbreak> or at least, it makes some assumptions" |
| 20:41.37 | Humbedooh | ;> |
| 20:43.58 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://www.trueachievements.com/a67025/not-over-yet-achievement.htm vote + please :) |
| 20:44.19 | Arrowmaster | i did already |
| 20:44.32 | Ackis | oh thanks :D |
| 20:44.41 | Ackis | I redid all of yours earlier |
| 20:45.10 | Ackis | also went through them and down voted other solutions that were competing with you ;) |
| 20:48.36 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:48.39 | Fisker | you are a jerk |
| 20:49.14 | amro | jerk |
| 20:49.16 | amro | you are a Fisker |
| 20:49.34 | Fisker | not sure if want amro |
| 21:07.54 | Cide | hi |
| 21:11.23 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I think the disc drive on my 360 is failing |
| 21:11.40 | Arrowmaster | i install everything to harddrive |
| 21:12.00 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:12.19 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: so do I, but it wasn't even reading the disc when I put it in :( |
| 21:12.50 | Ackis | although my future mother-in-law decided to vacuum the fucking console today |
| 21:13.07 | Arrowmaster | that could do it |
| 21:13.30 | Ackis | have you ever used canned air on the 360? |
| 21:13.35 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:14.22 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
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| 21:17.46 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/CanadaAckis/avatar-body.png |
| 21:17.59 | Torhal | Ackis: You're a serious pen-fifteen. |
| 21:18.23 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: ? |
| 21:18.24 | Ackis | s/pen-fifteen/Michael Jordan/ |
| 21:18.34 | Ackis | my avatar is wicked cool |
| 21:18.35 | Arrowmaster | why do i care? |
| 21:18.36 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 21:18.37 | Ackis | I'm a basketball player |
| 21:18.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont like sports |
| 21:18.49 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: He's delusional, and a smarmy bastard. |
| 21:19.05 | Arrowmaster | mines better http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/Arrowmaster/avatar-body.png |
| 21:19.21 | Arrowmaster | LE black ezio |
| 21:19.38 | Torhal | Ackis: Your MSN is broken, sir. |
| 21:19.46 | Ackis | no |
| 21:20.12 | Ackis | I'm just not on MSN |
| 21:20.21 | Torhal | Sneaky! |
| 21:20.23 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: isn't the LE the same as the normal? |
| 21:20.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:20.34 | Arrowmaster | different color |
| 21:20.47 | Arrowmaster | you cant purchase that one anymore |
| 21:21.19 | Ackis | my jordan avatar item was free |
| 21:21.41 | cbreak | you have to PAY for avatars? |
| 21:21.54 | cbreak | can't you just draw your own? |
| 21:21.56 | Arrowmaster | no, but you can |
| 21:22.01 | Ackis | there's free stuff and stuff you can buy |
| 21:22.03 | Arrowmaster | no you cant cbreak |
| 21:22.07 | cbreak | lame :/ |
| 21:22.20 | Arrowmaster | ive bought one item, the one im using |
| 21:22.38 | cbreak | even my guild forum allows user uploaded avatars. |
| 21:23.22 | Ackis | I bought a warthogg |
| 21:23.31 | Arrowmaster | i got a falcon for free |
| 21:23.31 | Ackis | and I bought 2-3 thremes |
| 21:23.37 | Ackis | *themes |
| 21:23.46 | Ackis | I want the banshee |
| 21:23.47 | Arrowmaster | i might have bought one theme when it was on sale |
| 21:24.23 | Arrowmaster | im using a custom background now, i might actually use one of those theme creators though and make my own |
| 21:29.20 | Ackis | tehehe I used a sekret and got green hair! |
| 21:29.26 | olafski | http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/ArtFull%20Olafski/avatar-body.png ! |
| 21:32.38 | cbreak | That's the avatar I use when I can chose: http://the-color-black.net/dl/avatars/Storm_by_BongasCompany.png |
| 21:32.55 | cbreak | due to it's alpha channel, it looks nice on any color of background |
| 21:33.09 | segora | is there a simple way to show a message on the middle of the screen .. without creating a new frame, something like the raidwarning that i can use every anytime |
| 21:33.13 | olafski | storm, srsly? :( |
| 21:33.13 | amro | ~stab cbreak |
| 21:33.14 | purl | ACTION runs at cbreak with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:33.22 | cbreak | why not ;) |
| 21:33.37 | cbreak | she's one of the most powerful mutants. Possibly omega class. |
| 21:33.49 | amro | storm was awesome until halle berry ruined her |
| 21:33.49 | olafski | that must be my second least favourite x-man |
| 21:33.51 | cbreak | segora: message()? |
| 21:33.58 | olafski | only wolverine ranks lower on my list :) |
| 21:34.16 | cbreak | there are so many that suck... and you all like them more? |
| 21:34.20 | mikma | torhal: ping! |
| 21:34.22 | tekkub | I like wolfy, bu tonly cause he's fuzzy |
| 21:34.27 | amro | olafski hates black people and canadians |
| 21:34.38 | cbreak | that must be it. |
| 21:34.44 | mikma | tekkub: i like my friends tekkub-bear |
| 21:34.44 | olafski | wolverine and storm are both so emo :( |
| 21:34.49 | segora | cbreak, you mean RAID_WARNING:AddMessage()? |
| 21:34.57 | cbreak | segora: no, global |
| 21:35.06 | olafski | hm actually you might be right, there are quite many sucky xmen :P |
| 21:35.09 | segora | global? |
| 21:35.14 | cbreak | yes. |
| 21:35.21 | cbreak | message("insert text here") |
| 21:35.30 | cbreak | you will see it in the center of the screen :) |
| 21:35.33 | segora | hmm |
| 21:35.35 | segora | ok |
| 21:35.38 | segora | i try it |
| 21:35.47 | cbreak | at least I think you will. Not used it in years |
| 21:36.02 | mikma | torhal: just curious of how the width and height is being set properly in LibQTip |
| 21:36.20 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.32 | mikma | stop |
| 21:36.39 | mikma | in the name of trollpolice |
| 21:37.10 | Fisker | i wouldn't call it the trollpolice |
| 21:38.17 | mikma | you wouldn't steal a trollpolice |
| 21:38.42 | segora | cbreak, message creates a frame in the middle of the screen with an "okay"-buttons that close the frame |
| 21:38.52 | segora | but i thinks thats okay, thank you |
| 21:38.53 | cbreak | yes :) |
| 21:39.04 | cbreak | you wanted something else? :/ |
| 21:40.32 | segora | something like the raid-warning, only text that fades out after a few seconds would be better, but RAID_WARNING for SendChatMessage() is only available in a raid-group |
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| 21:41.05 | segora | but okay, i just create my own frame |
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| 21:45.24 | cbreak | or you could try to find out what frame is used for raid warnings |
| 21:45.35 | cbreak | maybe with the /dt framestack or what ever it is called now |
| 21:45.39 | cbreak | and then just use that |
| 21:46.02 | segora | hmm, yes, that could work too |
| 21:51.28 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/10/the-300-quadrocopter-your-iphone-is-a-remote-control.ars |
| 21:51.30 | cbreak | WANT |
| 21:53.12 | nevcairiel | its rather cool, but only for iphone is serious fail |
| 21:53.41 | cbreak | not iPad? |
| 21:54.17 | nevcairiel | only on iP* is serious fail |
| 21:54.39 | segora | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.47 | cbreak | neat :) |
| 21:54.49 | segora | and if works if you are not in a raid |
| 21:54.54 | segora | it* |
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| 21:58.06 | Torhal | mikma: Width and height of what? |
| 21:59.17 | amro | nevcairiel: the general term is iFail |
| 21:59.33 | cbreak | you fail? |
| 22:02.03 | cbreak | "We were told to expect 15 minutes of flying time per 60-90 minute charge, but we were able to get to about 20 minutes depending on how hard we were taxing the drone. It's torture to be having such fun and then have to cool your heels while recharging the battery"... |
| 22:03.06 | cbreak | "If any of the propellers hits a solid object, it will likewise switch off, and the propellers are soft enough that unless it hits your eye you won't be injured. To test this I crashed the drone into my son's head while practicing."! I want one... |
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| 22:17.13 | cbreak | this one is even cooler, 6 rotors :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvH2f-AewX8 |
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| 22:25.25 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/what-were-driving-at.html |
| 22:26.23 | olafski | nice cbreak |
| 22:26.25 | olafski | it flies quite high :O |
| 22:26.35 | cbreak | did you see the end already? |
| 22:26.39 | cbreak | that's the most impressive part |
| 22:26.43 | olafski | I thought those things could only go to like 50 meter from the transmitter |
| 22:26.50 | olafski | I'm at 6 minutes |
| 22:27.09 | cbreak | they show it with payload :) |
| 22:27.28 | olafski | these things are toys though right? or are they actually used for something |
| 22:27.29 | cbreak | just look at the self-stabilizing that thing does |
| 22:27.35 | cbreak | toys. |
| 22:27.44 | cbreak | maybe aerial surveilance |
| 22:27.48 | cbreak | but not with those :) |
| 22:28.00 | olafski | I could do some interesting spying with such a thing ;-) |
| 22:28.11 | cbreak | yes... you could spy on ... the deaf! |
| 22:28.31 | olafski | hahaha |
| 22:28.41 | olafski | they should've put a picture in picture of the first person view in that video |
| 22:30.40 | cbreak | unlike the iPad thing it's not live footage afaik |
| 22:31.10 | olafski | oh that's a shame |
| 22:31.15 | olafski | bit harder to spy that way ;) |
| 22:32.54 | cbreak | a few years ago I saw a movie of some hackers who built a quad copter with live video |
| 22:33.07 | cbreak | and projective goggles, with OSD |
| 22:33.19 | Fisker | whoa Adys |
| 22:33.20 | cbreak | so you could actually get motion sick flying one |
| 22:33.27 | Fisker | that's april 1st quality news right there |
| 22:33.58 | Fisker | i wonder how much of a shitstorm will be centered around privacy issues |
| 22:34.37 | olafski | cbreak: nice :) |
| 22:34.46 | olafski | would be nice if they weren't so noisy |
| 22:34.50 | olafski | this could get annoying quickly |
| 22:35.39 | cbreak | they generate lift constantly |
| 22:35.57 | cbreak | that's why an RC blimp might be better |
| 22:35.59 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: what in particular seems incomplete to you? |
| 22:36.23 | jnwhiteh | it reflects, at all points in time, the current state of the WoW API in it's listings, so I'd appreciate any feedback that you have! |
| 22:36.37 | cbreak | jnwhiteh: that it doesn't mention the general args an event handler gets, like the frame and the event type |
| 22:36.44 | olafski | cool stuff adys |
| 22:37.09 | nevcairiel | cbreak: thats kinda redundant information to have on every page *shrug* |
| 22:37.10 | olafski | being able to do something useful while driving sounds good |
| 22:37.20 | Adys | Fisker: it's in-house technology though |
| 22:37.25 | Adys | which wont be released for years prolly |
| 22:37.31 | olafski | and if cars are driven automatically they should be able to drive closer to eachother so less traffic jams =) |
| 22:37.33 | cbreak | nevcairiel: but it is true information :) |
| 22:37.36 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: sure it does: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 22:37.42 | nevcairiel | but redundant |
| 22:37.46 | Fisker | yeah Adys |
| 22:37.49 | nevcairiel | its pointless to have on every page |
| 22:37.54 | Fisker | probably not even for a decade |
| 22:38.02 | nevcairiel | someone working with events should know that its true for every event |
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| 22:38.12 | cbreak | yes. Should... |
| 22:38.15 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: cbreak: it is listed on every single Widget page |
| 22:38.16 | cbreak | that's the keyword :) |
| 22:38.20 | jnwhiteh | event documentation on ANY page is out of date |
| 22:38.22 | jnwhiteh | that's just a fact |
| 22:38.29 | jnwhiteh | because there's too many events, and their behavior changes too frequently |
| 22:38.42 | jnwhiteh | if you really want to know what arguments come with an event, you should use /eventtrace to see it in detail |
| 22:38.48 | jnwhiteh | this is precisely what the book recommends |
| 22:38.59 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: he is just being weird about the event pages not specifically showing the self and eventname args |
| 22:39.05 | jnwhiteh | needless to say, every single event listed on the webpage is a valid event, recognized by the WoW system. |
| 22:39.24 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: 90% of the event pages have only descriptions of when the event will fire, as the arguments are impossible to keep up to date |
| 22:39.28 | Fisker | i don't get why Blizzard suddenly decided to nerf auction houses :o |
| 22:39.32 | jnwhiteh | and we can just agree to disagree on that =) |
| 22:39.47 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: the arguments sounds easier to keep updated then when they fire tbh :D |
| 22:39.52 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: =) |
| 22:40.03 | cbreak | Fisker: nerf? |
| 22:40.19 | cbreak | Fisker: after they added for-pay mobile auction house? |
| 22:40.20 | Fisker | yeah |
| 22:40.27 | cbreak | coincidence? :) |
| 22:40.39 | Fisker | idk |
| 22:40.54 | Fisker | But they made a lot of actions require seperate hardware events now |
| 22:41.14 | Fisker | apparently you can't buy more than one auction at a time |
| 22:41.27 | Fisker | and you can't sell more than one type of item at a time |
| 22:41.50 | cbreak | you probably can with the mobile auction api |
| 22:41.54 | Fisker | so you can mass sell infinite dust, but you can't mass sell infinite dust and abyss crystals without 2 hardware events |
| 22:41.59 | Fisker | exactly cbreak :P |
| 22:42.10 | Fisker | I'm wondering exactly what the point is |
| 22:42.13 | jnwhiteh | after all, you are setting an EVENT handler, you should be consulting http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnEvent. When you're deciding what event to use and what arguments come with it, you should consult the event page =) |
| 22:42.20 | Fisker | other than cashing in on players half-way abusing the system |
| 22:42.21 | olafski | wut.. can't "sell" or can't "auction" more than one item at a time? |
| 22:42.30 | Fisker | can't auction of course |
| 22:42.38 | nevcairiel | its about auctioning, not vendoring |
| 22:43.04 | olafski | oh that's fine then :P |
| 22:43.19 | Fisker | i'm wondering if i should check if anyone made some kind of ah script for the remote ah |
| 22:43.26 | Fisker | i might get it once the guild chat feature launches |
| 22:45.28 | Fisker | just need one to pick up neutral ah transfers :D |
| 22:46.06 | Fisker | could be funny to intercept 5 shadowmourne mounts |
| 23:08.11 | Jamash | hawt |
| 23:08.45 | Jamash | there's a common troll in trade chat on my realm of people saying "if he's invincible why can we see him" |
| 23:10.08 | cbreak | dumb... |
| 23:10.16 | amro | invincible protis sniper |
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| 23:18.44 | Mike-N-Go | Hello all |
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| 23:25.43 | alestane | ~hello |
| 23:25.43 | purl | Howdy Bub |
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| 23:29.43 | Iriel | http://www.flickr.com/photos/partialobscurity/sets/72157625129111026/ |
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| 23:41.41 | Mike-N-Go | Who is in the Beta on the PvE-Horde server? |
| 23:49.10 | nevcairiel | there is a server specifically for horde? :d |
| 23:49.35 | Iriel | Maybe there should be 8-) |
