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| 00:03.17 | Xyphoid | do you lose extended raid lockouts on patch day? i'm assuming yes |
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| 00:12.25 | kd3|netbook | yay pop quizzes in us history |
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| 00:20.42 | Ackis | can someone confirm my math for me? 12 light second over 12 hours == 300k km/hour? |
| 00:20.57 | Jerub | Ackis: use wolfram alpha |
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| 00:21.32 | Jerub | it's 83276 m/s |
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| 00:22.19 | Ackis | 83.276 km/s == 300k km/h |
| 00:22.24 | Jerub | oh, yeah, about that. |
| 00:22.26 | Jerub | :) |
| 00:22.35 | Jerub | 12 light seconds / 12 hours = 1 light second per hour :P |
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| 00:23.02 | seno | hey, simple question: why is CreateFrame"frame" valid lua? -.- |
| 00:24.19 | seno | can you skip the brackets if the first parameter is a string? |
| 00:24.31 | nebula | parens are optional with a single string or table argument |
| 00:24.39 | nebula | looks ugly, though, imo |
| 00:24.47 | seno | k, thx. kinda strange^ |
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| 00:26.53 | Adys | is there a way to disable the combat log? |
| 00:26.58 | Adys | entirely |
| 00:27.32 | amro | seno: it comes in handy for DSLs |
| 00:27.35 | Antiarc | yup, wait for it to break! |
| 00:27.38 | nebula | lol |
| 00:27.41 | amro | in particular, I make use of the one table argument |
| 00:27.50 | nebula | you mean so it doesn't even fire cleu events? |
| 00:31.15 | seno | amro, for example? |
| 00:32.46 | Mirrored | DSLs? |
| 00:33.04 | Mirrored | dominican summer leagues? |
| 00:33.08 | amro | domain-specific langauges |
| 00:33.11 | amro | languages* |
| 00:33.35 | amro | seno: for example, I use it in the constructor for entities in my game for a more declarative approach |
| 00:34.05 | amro | Entity {...} as opposed to Entity() followed by a bunch of calls to :setShit() |
| 00:34.51 | Mirrored | you could still have it be Entity({...}) |
| 00:35.02 | amro | yeah, but Entity {} is cleaner |
| 00:35.23 | amro | and it means, don't look at this as a function call, look at it as a declaration |
| 00:35.43 | Mirrored | I have actually used that before, tbh |
| 00:35.56 | Mirrored | for user-defined properties |
| 00:36.18 | amro | yep |
| 00:36.30 | amro | the string thing can be used similarily |
| 00:36.38 | amro | look at what ruby's flexible syntax allows for example |
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| 00:37.26 | amro | http://cukes.info/ |
| 00:37.30 | amro | look at the step definitions in ruby |
| 00:37.32 | amro | very natural |
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| 00:50.40 | Jerub | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S1jAWNqjr1I/AAAAAAAABcU/zLy00r2Iv84/s640/cookiemonster.png |
| 00:57.14 | bleeter | Formula 1 Goatse http://i.imgur.com/xE3ei.jpg |
| 00:57.34 | bleeter | totally sfw btw... it's all in the mind ;) |
| 01:01.20 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: have you ever played with making a 2-d 'adventure' game like the old scumm/sierra games? |
| 01:08.55 | Kraps | any fpsers here been playing the MOH beta? |
| 01:16.09 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9VfALthLI |
| 01:17.03 | Mirrored | haha wow |
| 01:17.39 | malreth | suicide by elevator shaft |
| 01:19.27 | Torhal | A froglok bok knight says 'Fffrrroooaaakkk!' |
| 01:20.27 | Cairenn | grrr, bark, bark, grrr |
| 01:22.58 | malreth | i don't understand amazon.com sometimes. I clicked the option to ship my order in one package and now they're shipping the order across three deliveries over three days. |
| 01:23.13 | malreth | the UPS driver is going to hate me now |
| 01:23.58 | malreth | "Steak knives? I'm back here at your house to deliver fucking STEAK KNIVES?" |
| 01:24.25 | Adys | stupid question, can you friend cross-continental players with realid? |
| 01:25.11 | malreth | "What do you mean this box only contains a pair of knitting needles? You picked two-day shipping for this trash?" |
| 01:26.15 | Kraps | Adys: you mean like US <-> EU? |
| 01:26.18 | Adys | ya |
| 01:26.30 | Adys | i was gonna think no, but, theres no actual reason not to |
| 01:26.38 | Adys | given you can have an US and EU acc on the same bnet acc |
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| 01:27.47 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626045654&sid=1 guess not |
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| 01:31.15 | cog|work | malreth: are they good steak knives at least? |
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| 01:32.06 | malreth | chicago cutlery... the ones America's Test Kitchen recommended. They were $24 and satisfied the 4-for-3 offer going on at the time |
| 01:32.33 | malreth | the knitting needles are size 1 48-inch circular needles |
| 01:32.34 | cogwheel | i remember dissing chicago cutlery when i sold cutco -_- |
| 01:32.39 | cogwheel | slaps himself |
| 01:32.58 | malreth | i had a friend that used to sell cutco knives |
| 01:32.58 | cogwheel | we have these: http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-Steak-Knife-Set-Block/dp/B0002XMYNG/ |
| 01:33.11 | malreth | funny story about him. the guy had an incredible tolerance for pain |
| 01:33.18 | A-KO | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/54cd6432-0612-4d86-a184-cbe235a7a136.jpg |
| 01:33.39 | cogwheel | malreth: i like where this is headed |
| 01:33.49 | malreth | he would, just for fun and giggles, stick needles into his biceps and go up to girls, blood running down his arm and claim that he felt that "something seemed wrong" |
| 01:33.55 | malreth | anyways |
| 01:34.13 | cogwheel | aww i thought he'd freak people out on his visits by chopping off the end of his finger or something :P |
| 01:34.25 | cogwheel | s/visits/demos/ |
| 01:34.31 | malreth | he was demonstrating the cutlery to my girlfriend's mother, talking about how sharp the knives were that that one should not be foolish with them |
| 01:34.42 | malreth | at that moment, he slices off the tip of his thumb |
| 01:34.42 | cogwheel | (the part that grows back) |
| 01:34.51 | cogwheel | haha |
| 01:34.59 | malreth | just the very tip... nothing bad... but it did start bleeding a lot |
| 01:35.09 | malreth | "Oh my," he proclaimed. "I was foolish." |
| 01:35.22 | cogwheel | yeah, i sold some to my mom-in-law. she was wearing 3 bandages by the end of the week |
| 01:35.28 | Thunder_Child | so when i got home just now, the first thing i read was "<malreth> just the very tip... nothing bad... but it did start bleeding a lot" |
| 01:35.30 | Thunder_Child | fml |
| 01:36.01 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: I don't believe you |
| 01:37.05 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: why not? i read from the bottom up when i first check the window |
| 01:37.21 | cogwheel | because you're like me and just say random shit for comedic effect |
| 01:37.23 | cogwheel | :P |
| 01:37.26 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 01:37.29 | Thunder_Child | but this time it was tru |
| 01:37.30 | Xyphoid | http://www.google.com/search?q=12+light+seconds+per+12+hours&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=nTL&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&q=12+light+seconds+per+12+hours+in+km+per+hour&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=24c3aae7d604e5ae |
| 01:37.32 | Thunder_Child | true* |
| 01:37.44 | cogwheel | ~poke Xyphoid |
| 01:37.44 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Xyphoid, pokes Xyphoid repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:39.01 | Xyphoid | i just love that you can google back of the envelope calculations like that |
| 01:39.30 | Kraps | so i'm gonna buy l2d and l4d2? :( |
| 01:39.56 | Kraps | s/l2d/l4d/ |
| 01:40.09 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: welcome to my morning |
| 01:40.14 | Thunder_Child | but i managed to pass it up |
| 01:40.22 | Kraps | HOW |
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| 01:40.50 | Thunder_Child | i dont like the game |
| 01:40.58 | Kraps | ITS 10 DOLLARS AND 19 CENTS FOR 2 GAMES |
| 01:41.06 | Thunder_Child | that i will never play |
| 01:41.12 | Thunder_Child | hell, i wont even attempt it |
| 01:41.27 | Torhal | WTF? http://imagebin.ca/view/HA34Fyx.html |
| 01:42.05 | Torhal | http://imagebin.ca/view/HA34Fyx.html |
| 01:42.50 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: would you buy the 2 bioshock games for that price? |
| 01:43.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: if i had intention of playing them possibly |
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| 01:44.26 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: err..what 2? |
| 01:44.56 | Kraps | oh i INTEND to play most of the games i have... |
| 01:46.15 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yeah there are 2 |
| 01:47.08 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: what 2? or are you talking about the L4D crap |
| 01:47.20 | Kraps | bioshock |
| 01:47.28 | Thunder_Child | linky? |
| 01:48.09 | Kraps | eyes Thunder_Child |
| 01:48.16 | Thunder_Child | what? |
| 01:48.28 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/7670/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/8850/ |
| 01:49.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: they are not on sale.... |
| 01:49.58 | Kraps | [09:42:53]<Kraps>Thunder_Child: would you buy the 2 bioshock games for that price? |
| 01:50.12 | Thunder_Child | yea, dont mind me, i was being brain dead |
| 01:50.18 | Kraps | :) |
| 01:50.22 | Thunder_Child | i was thinking bioshock == company |
| 01:50.32 | Thunder_Child | uh...i would have to say yes |
| 01:50.37 | Thunder_Child | i prolly would |
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| 01:57.30 | nicoli_s | bioshock 2 was fun |
| 01:57.39 | nicoli_s | alot of what was good about the first + more |
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| 02:05.08 | ckknight | nicoli_s: btw, I came up with an overengineered solution to the hostname splitting issue |
| 02:05.15 | ckknight | it works pretty well, though |
| 02:05.43 | SqueeG | *stabs regexes* |
| 02:05.48 | ckknight | ...not a regex |
| 02:05.56 | SqueeG | lol |
| 02:06.13 | SqueeG | actually I just felt like venting my frustrationg |
| 02:06.19 | SqueeG | the channel was in front of me :p |
| 02:06.34 | ckknight | but it can properly parse "a.b.c.d.domain.act.edu.au" to "a.b.c.d", "domain", "act.edu.au" |
| 02:08.00 | SqueeG | xD |
| 02:08.12 | SqueeG | couldn't use regex? |
| 02:09.14 | ckknight | absolutely not |
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| 02:10.09 | ckknight | sub.domain.vic.au vs. sub.domain.act.edu.au |
| 02:10.13 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 02:10.18 | ckknight | shudders |
| 02:10.38 | ckknight | and what if someone does something like www.sub.domain.vic.au |
| 02:10.51 | ckknight | you have to know that www.sub is the full subdomain and vic.au is the full public suffix |
| 02:12.47 | SqueeG | lists! |
| 02:13.58 | ckknight | yea, the solution is a list of all public suffixes with heavy caching |
| 02:14.11 | ckknight | I have a 60k text file that I parse on appstart |
| 02:15.38 | SqueeG | xD |
| 02:15.49 | SqueeG | tis the easiest way for accuracy |
| 02:15.55 | SqueeG | how are you keeping it up to date? |
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| 02:16.21 | SqueeG | alright |
| 02:16.24 | SqueeG | what the fuck |
| 02:16.25 | SqueeG | string.gfind' was renamed to 'string.gmatch' |
| 02:16.42 | cogwheel | years ago, yeah |
| 02:16.48 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 02:18.02 | SqueeG | years ago, what? ckknight's solution was optimal? xD |
| 02:18.22 | SqueeG | or gfind to gmatch? |
| 02:18.33 | ckknight | SqueeG: I'll just deal update it as needed |
| 02:18.43 | ckknight | and yea, Lua 5.1 made the gfind => gmatch change |
| 02:18.48 | tem | Mirrored, your idea of indentation sucks |
| 02:19.19 | SqueeG | all the bloody examples still use gfind |
| 02:19.32 | ckknight | yep. |
| 02:19.53 | cogwheel | you looking at PIL? |
| 02:20.57 | SqueeG | PIL? >.> |
| 02:21.00 | cogwheel | ~pil |
| 02:21.01 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 02:21.41 | SqueeG | oh |
| 02:21.44 | SqueeG | ha |
| 02:21.53 | SqueeG | no, just general interwebz sources |
| 02:22.03 | cogwheel | well, you can at least see why I asked :) |
| 02:22.09 | SqueeG | yea :) |
| 02:22.11 | cogwheel | ~botsnack |
| 02:22.11 | purl | aw, gee, cogwheel |
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| 02:24.07 | SqueeG | oooo |
| 02:24.12 | SqueeG | does s:gmatch(pat) work in WoW? |
| 02:24.19 | cogwheel | yep |
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| 02:24.42 | cogwheel | the string table is the metatable for all strings |
| 02:24.53 | cogwheel | or something similar but more pedantic |
| 02:25.55 | SqueeG | sweet sauce |
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| 02:41.38 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, there's a lot of content with those. I've thought about it, but they're not easy to make |
| 02:44.26 | kd3 | grr; the caps in my monitor are shot |
| 02:44.32 | kd3 | at least I got a few good years out of it |
| 02:44.39 | kd3 | s/my monitor/one of my monitors/ |
| 02:45.01 | ckknight | you'd still use 'is', not 'are' |
| 02:45.04 | ckknight | gah, kd3 |
| 02:46.47 | amro | Adys: you can friend them, but you can only see/chat with the same continent you are logged in on |
| 02:47.02 | Adys | meh |
| 02:47.04 | Adys | thought so |
| 02:47.06 | amro | cogwheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XowDGefmDYU |
| 02:47.14 | Adys | oh well, at least it's one step closer to sanity |
| 02:47.20 | amro | yeah |
| 02:48.08 | cogwheel | amro: watched it live :P |
| 02:48.19 | amro | fu and your bandwidth :( |
| 02:48.20 | cogwheel | watching tonight's right now actually... |
| 02:48.40 | cogwheel | amro: it was about 6 years late in this neighborhood |
| 02:48.56 | cogwheel | (bandwidth) |
| 02:49.05 | amro | I had the same bandwidth I have now 10 years ago |
| 02:49.21 | cogwheel | /comfort |
| 02:49.23 | Arrowmaster | why does nothing have an option of running a program at twice the resolution, why cant i run virtualbox/wine and have it output a 640x480 signal as 1280x960 |
| 02:50.00 | amro | cause nobody wants to do that shit in software |
| 02:50.12 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 02:50.20 | amro | by do I meant write the code to do it |
| 02:50.28 | Arrowmaster | but it should be easy |
| 02:50.45 | amro | performance could be an issue |
| 02:52.02 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: i'd love that... Diablo 2 is too big full-screen and too small windowed for me |
| 02:52.14 | cogwheel | gives me headaches :( |
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| 02:52.59 | Arrowmaster | isnt diablo 2 800x600? |
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| 02:55.02 | amro | although compositing window managers should be able to stretch that |
| 02:55.40 | Arrowmaster | metacity doesnt afaik |
| 02:55.44 | Arrowmaster | and i wont run compiz |
| 02:55.48 | Arrowmaster | its too unstable |
| 02:56.05 | amro | I don't think any of them offer the option |
| 02:56.19 | amro | it should be possible technically and would be a very useful feature |
| 02:56.27 | Arrowmaster | it seriously shouldnt be hard to do |
| 02:56.44 | amro | for a compositing window manager, it's easy because it's already doing shit in hardware |
| 02:57.08 | Arrowmaster | just doubling the size and making every input pixel equal to 4 output pixels without any scaling or smoothing or anything else shouldnt need much power at all |
| 02:57.51 | SqueeG | dosbox emulates screen sizes |
| 02:57.59 | SqueeG | and has magnifying options |
| 02:58.06 | SqueeG | so *someone* wants to do it xD |
| 02:58.24 | Arrowmaster | right but im not running dos programs, im running low res windows ones |
| 02:58.39 | SqueeG | i realize |
| 02:58.51 | SqueeG | just saying, it's out there and people have done it |
| 02:59.36 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: i think I'd rather have 640x480 doubled than 800x600 windowed |
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| 02:59.45 | cogwheel | of course 800x600 scaled would be ideal |
| 02:59.54 | cogwheel | which i can probably do in win7 ... hmmm.... |
| 03:00.07 | Arrowmaster | that would be 1600x1200 doubled which would be fullscreen for me |
| 03:00.22 | cogwheel | right. scaled to between 1 and 2x |
| 03:00.49 | cogwheel | would look really shitty or have bad performance if it were done in software i think |
| 03:01.01 | Arrowmaster | i seriously have no way to fullscreen this game in virtualbox |
| 03:01.19 | Arrowmaster | if i fullscreen virtualbox i get the game in this tiny section of the screen |
| 03:03.27 | amro | increases memory consumption though |
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| 03:45.20 | Thunder_Child | seriously steam, why do you not have options on your damn updating |
| 03:47.57 | Iriel | Oddly it does on a per game basis |
| 03:48.09 | Iriel | though i'm not sure what happens if you say 'no' |
| 03:48.12 | Thunder_Child | thats not the issue, it's either on or off |
| 03:48.25 | Thunder_Child | there is no, "do it, but only between these times" |
| 03:48.37 | Thunder_Child | or "do it but only when the user is not active" |
| 03:48.49 | Iriel | You could just not run steam outside of those times? 8-) |
| 03:49.07 | Thunder_Child | yes, but it's making me go through extra hoops |
| 03:49.20 | Thunder_Child | i prefer to stay on all the time because it's also an IM client |
| 03:49.25 | Thunder_Child | and for other reasons |
| 03:50.02 | Iriel | I see. |
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| 04:41.52 | Kraps | Call of Duty: Black Ops is set in the cold war?! |
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| 04:51.22 | Kraps | anyway, i played Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and its expansions during the summer a few years ago. was some of the best gaming ever |
| 05:00.52 | ckknight | Kraps: people are tired of terrorists |
| 05:00.55 | ckknight | we want our commies back |
| 05:01.02 | Kraps | heh |
| 05:02.31 | Jerub | okay,now we have JP drop rates |
| 05:02.38 | Jerub | does anyone know how much a JP is worth? |
| 05:02.58 | Jerub | like, how many JP = 1 frozen orb, runed orb, crusader orb, primordial saronite, T10 piece, T11 piece? |
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| 05:16.08 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, one frost badge is worth around 12jp. |
| 05:16.27 | ZorbaTHut | also, t11 seems to be going for around 2000jp. |
| 05:17.03 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i just found a reference to somewhere that basically said that 95 frost = 1100 JP = T10 pieece |
| 05:17.27 | ZorbaTHut | depends on which piece you're looking at, I believe |
| 05:17.40 | ZorbaTHut | however, body is 2200, hands are 1650 |
| 05:17.48 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1989-Cataclysm-Release-Dalaran-Portals-Cataclysm-Epic-Stats |
| 05:18.10 | ZorbaTHut | VP prices seem to be a bit lower |
| 05:19.50 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: are you sure that's not T11? |
| 05:19.58 | Jerub | someone said it was 695/1100 for T100 |
| 05:20.00 | Jerub | er T10 |
| 05:20.02 | Jerub | (omg T100...) |
| 05:21.31 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I admit I didn't look at t10 deeply. I know the wooly mammoth came out roughly so that it was the same cost post-conversion as pre-conversion |
| 05:21.43 | ZorbaTHut | I suppose they may have cheapened t10 a bit |
| 05:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | although I personally wouldn't bother with it |
| 05:23.09 | Jerub | yeah, keeping my JP for 84 sounds like a good idea |
| 05:28.23 | Kraps | this wins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZjBJv-rA0&feature=channel |
| 05:35.04 | Adys | Jerub |
| 05:35.07 | Adys | you familiar with rst yah? |
| 05:35.16 | Adys | and/or pypi |
| 05:35.27 | Jerub | Adys: yep. |
| 05:35.34 | Jerub | both |
| 05:35.37 | Adys | Jerub: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-bna/ |
| 05:35.44 | Adys | any idea why it's not parsing my rst? |
| 05:36.10 | Jerub | how did you edit that? |
| 05:36.18 | Adys | README = open(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), "README.rst")).read() |
| 05:36.25 | Adys | long_description = README in the setup() |
| 05:36.35 | Jerub | oooh, right. cool |
| 05:36.46 | Adys | i copied it from http://pypi.python.org/pypi/termcolor/ |
| 05:36.49 | Kraps | disney is making a movie about Secretariat |
| 05:36.49 | Adys | which has it working just fine |
| 05:38.34 | Adys | even github isnt parsing it properly which is wtf; does rst have something against tabs? |
| 05:38.35 | Adys | http://github.com/Adys/python-bna |
| 05:38.51 | Jerub | Adys: i'm just reading pypi src |
| 05:39.00 | Jerub | Adys: that renders okay with rst2html or something doesn't it? |
| 05:39.24 | Adys | *shrugs* :( |
| 05:39.42 | Adys | i dont work much with rst, I just sometimes add a README.rst for the github page |
| 05:41.12 | Jerub | Adys: bad news. your .tar.gz is empty :( |
| 05:41.22 | Adys | which? |
| 05:41.28 | Jerub | http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/python-bna/python-bna-1.1.tar.gz#md5=03d9a155fe899bbb012f4ba235c40232 |
| 05:41.49 | Adys | blarwharh |
| 05:42.11 | Adys | i moved the file from bna/__init__.py to bna.py and i thought i properly included it .. |
| 05:42.22 | Adys | would you mind taking a quick look at the setup script? |
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| 05:45.10 | Kraps | aliens http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/universal/skyline/ |
| 05:45.49 | Jerub | Adys: it should refer to apackage not a module |
| 05:45.57 | Adys | how so? |
| 05:46.11 | Jerub | py_packages=['bna'], |
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| 05:47.22 | Adys | Jerub: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-bna/1.1.1 try this? |
| 05:50.09 | Jerub | ... still not working. |
| 05:50.20 | Jerub | where's your git repo? I'll fix it up |
| 05:50.29 | Adys | github.com/adys/python-bna |
| 05:50.30 | Adys | sec |
| 05:50.33 | Adys | pushing |
| 05:50.44 | Jerub | ah, just hit the fork button |
| 05:51.30 | Adys | Jerub: now |
| 05:52.39 | Jerub | i've not done this before with github. sec. |
| 05:53.17 | Jerub | how do i merge my fork with your newest commit? |
| 05:53.36 | Adys | just pull from me |
| 05:53.54 | Jerub | what's the syntax from that? |
| 05:54.05 | Adys | git pull git@github.com:Adys/python-bna.git |
| 05:54.06 | Adys | i think |
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| 05:54.29 | Jerub | permissing denied |
| 05:54.34 | Adys | Oo |
| 05:54.41 | Jerub | git pull http://github.com/Adys/python-bna.git |
| 05:54.50 | Jerub | i tried that, and it said i need to supply a branch |
| 05:54.57 | Adys | master |
| 05:55.09 | Jerub | ah there |
| 05:55.17 | Adys | git remote add adys git@github.com:Adys/python-bna.git |
| 05:55.20 | Adys | git pull adys master |
| 05:55.34 | Adys | adopts a deep, dark voice |
| 05:55.36 | Adys | I AM YOUR MASTER |
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| 05:56.16 | Jerub | that still shows bna.py not bna/__init__.py |
| 05:56.18 | ckknight | Adys: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD |
| 05:56.25 | Adys | Jerub: thats intended |
| 05:56.31 | Adys | there was really no need for a bna package |
| 05:56.42 | Adys | i moved it from bna/__init__.py |
| 05:56.45 | Jerub | oh right |
| 05:57.15 | Adys | ckknight: you know that's right |
| 05:58.19 | Adys | brb a min |
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| 06:00.08 | Jerub | http://github.com/jerub/python-bna |
| 06:00.17 | Jerub | i threw a manifest.in file in and fixed it, it seems to build what you want now |
| 06:00.30 | Jerub | don't know about pypi tho |
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| 06:01.47 | Jerub | <string>:6: (ERROR/3) Unexpected indentation. |
| 06:01.51 | Jerub | that's the problem. |
| 06:02.09 | Adys | bwaah |
| 06:02.13 | Adys | they dont like tabs? :/ |
| 06:02.17 | zenzelezz | how can you divide an error by three? |
| 06:02.37 | Adys | zenzelezz, |
| 06:02.43 | Adys | lua> error() / 3 |
| 06:02.43 | lua_bot | Adys: nil |
| 06:02.45 | Adys | there |
| 06:02.58 | zenzelezz | so in other words there was no error |
| 06:03.08 | Adys | or maybe that's what they want you to thin |
| 06:03.09 | Adys | k |
| 06:03.31 | Adys | Jerub: in termcolor, it went from 4 to 8 spaces for proper indentation just file |
| 06:03.38 | Adys | i guess i have to use spaces in my doc |
| 06:03.40 | Adys | grumbles |
| 06:03.51 | Jerub | Adys: from docutils.core import publish_parts; source = open('README.rst').read(); publish_parts(source=source, writer_name='html', settings_overrides={'halt_level':2}) |
| 06:04.10 | Adys | Jerub: what happens if you replace tabs by 4 spaces each? does it build? |
| 06:04.21 | Jerub | Adys: that's a snippet of python code that you can use to test it. |
| 06:04.39 | Jerub | if that doesn't trace back, next time you upload to pypi it will render. |
| 06:04.40 | Adys | yeah just did |
| 06:04.49 | Adys | it still craps up tho |
| 06:05.25 | Adys | oh, i think i know |
| 06:05.45 | Adys | yeah it needed a newline after the :: |
| 06:06.08 | Kraps | http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/client9theriseandfallofeliotspitzer/ heehee' |
| 06:06.29 | Jerub | Adys: if you pull in my fork it will package the README.rst and bna.py properly. |
| 06:06.42 | Jerub | http://github.com/jerub/python-bna |
| 06:07.13 | Adys | i shouldnt need a manifest file though |
| 06:07.19 | Adys | i see termcolor is packaging just fine without one |
| 06:08.58 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:10.20 | Jerub | Adys: you can't create an sdist that looks like their sdist using their sdist |
| 06:10.25 | Jerub | theyprobably have a MANIFEST.in |
| 06:10.32 | Jerub | for instance, it contains CHANGES.txt |
| 06:10.32 | Adys | i see |
| 06:10.41 | Jerub | but python setup.py sdist won't include it |
| 06:10.59 | Jerub | README.txt is special, but README.rst isn't |
| 06:11.11 | Adys | ah uh |
| 06:11.13 | Adys | that's fine |
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| 06:11.25 | Jerub | you probably actually want to put an include MANIFEST.in into the MANIFEST.in ;) |
| 06:11.42 | Adys | i only care about bna.py being properly included |
| 06:11.46 | Adys | README.rst doesnt matter |
| 06:11.59 | Adys | (does it?) |
| 06:13.37 | Jerub | sure it does |
| 06:13.44 | Jerub | without it your setup.py will trace back |
| 06:13.59 | Adys | true |
| 06:14.06 | Adys | okay, can you try this? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-bna/ |
| 06:14.54 | Jerub | that's /really/ weird. |
| 06:14.57 | Jerub | it doesn't contain bna.py |
| 06:15.01 | Jerub | did you pull my changes? |
| 06:15.14 | Adys | i didnt pull, i just added the MANIFEST.in |
| 06:15.23 | Jerub | i also changed setup.py back to py_modules |
| 06:16.00 | Adys | ah |
| 06:16.00 | Adys | there |
| 06:16.13 | Adys | now? |
| 06:17.33 | Jerub | brilliant |
| 06:17.35 | Jerub | that's working now |
| 06:17.40 | Adys | \o/ |
| 06:17.43 | Adys | thanks a lot for the help |
| 06:19.07 | Fisker | what does this mean Jerub ? |
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| 06:20.46 | mikma | fisker: u sux cox |
| 06:21.27 | Fisker | oh u mikma |
| 06:22.49 | Jerub | Fisker: i helped adys package software correctly. |
| 06:23.19 | mikma | jnwhiteh: about your contest. i can get a copy of your autographed book at january! hahaa! |
| 06:25.30 | Jerub | Fisker: http://mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/ie6/ |
| 06:26.47 | Fisker | goodbye Jerub |
| 06:26.50 | Fisker | i will kill you |
| 06:28.57 | mikma | old |
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| 06:46.51 | Jamash | anyone have any insight into the sixth return value of GetTrainerServiceInfo? |
| 06:51.58 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/06/funny-pictures-dust-bunnies-move/ |
| 06:56.03 | zenzio | O_o http://failblog.org/2010/10/06/epic-fail-photos-circle-of-life-win/ |
| 06:59.53 | unfo- | zenzio, WATCH OUT! THERE'S A DRUID BEHIND YOU! |
| 07:01.26 | zenzio | haha :) |
| 07:04.01 | zenzio | can someone tell the Cheezburger network to stop rearranging their "All sites" list? |
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| 07:13.20 | Jamash | I can do "a, b = c, d" in Lua, but not "t[a, b] = c,d", is this correct? |
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| 07:19.10 | Fisker | memories Jamash |
| 07:21.41 | ckknight | Jamash: correct, you can do "t[a], t[b] = c, d", though |
| 07:21.48 | Jamash | ah |
| 07:21.52 | Fisker | ckknight |
| 07:21.57 | Fisker | should i get revue imported from the US? |
| 07:22.58 | ckknight | no |
| 07:23.22 | Fisker | you are a bad friend ckknight |
| 07:23.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:23.55 | ckknight | no, a bad friend would let you get a revue |
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| 07:32.19 | Torhal | ckknight: Do you sleep? |
| 07:35.55 | ckknight | Torhal: I woke up at 1:30 PM today |
| 07:36.04 | ckknight | since I had stayed up until 2:30 AM last night working |
| 07:36.12 | ckknight | granted, I just got home 15 minutes ago |
| 07:36.18 | ckknight | so blah |
| 07:36.20 | ckknight | there's lots to do |
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| 07:40.09 | EoN | Hey guys. Is it possible to render images from the web in a wow addon? |
| 07:41.12 | Jamash | you can't access the web from an addon, |
| 07:41.25 | Jamash | but if you include the images in the addon you can show them |
| 07:41.39 | EoN | i see |
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| 07:42.02 | EoN | Could you have the user 'upload' an image that could be rendered in the addon? |
| 07:42.06 | Jamash | erm? |
| 07:42.31 | EoN | say for example an avatar |
| 07:42.33 | Jamash | well, you can have the user put an image in the addon directory, and then edit a source file to include the image as a texture, and then show it |
| 07:42.46 | EoN | i see |
| 07:43.19 | Fisker | no ckknight |
| 07:43.24 | Fisker | a bad friend would help me get the revue |
| 07:43.28 | Fisker | then let me pay for it |
| 07:43.30 | Fisker | then keep it |
| 07:44.10 | ckknight | hey Fisker, if you went camping with a friend and woke up the next morning with a condom in your ass, would you tell anyone? also, do you want to go camping? |
| 07:44.24 | Fisker | i would tell the world |
| 07:44.33 | Jamash | he'd post pictures on facebook |
| 07:45.02 | Jamash | and then get banned from facebook, and post pictures on /b/ |
| 07:45.13 | ckknight | it deosn't count if you're bragging. |
| 07:45.18 | Mikk | haha |
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| 08:04.06 | Jamash | interesting, I may have a way to reliably crash the ptr client via lua |
| 08:04.56 | zenzio | do tell |
| 08:06.29 | Jamash | well, it's a few paragraphs of code, I'm trying to boil it down |
| 08:15.30 | Jamash | and yet this time it works without crashing |
| 08:15.35 | Jamash | weird |
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| 08:48.17 | Jamash | hmm, awkward but usable |
| 08:48.58 | zenzio | "the gauntlet quest where you leaped from wyrm to worm and did battle on their backs hundreds of feet in the air" |
| 08:49.28 | zenzio | I could understand people mistaking worm and wyrm, but mixing them in one sentence? That gives me a very weird mental image |
| 08:49.39 | zenzio | especially hundreds of feet in the air |
| 08:54.22 | Corrodias | fly in on a dragon, then leap onto a giant worm that was dropped from its talons. fight to the death with your opponent who has done the same. |
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| 10:45.12 | cide | hi |
| 10:45.21 | unfo- | hi |
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| 11:37.48 | Cide | hi |
| 11:37.57 | Kalroth | hiiii Cide |
| 11:43.22 | Cide | native spotive on linux |
| 11:43.24 | Cide | spotify |
| 11:43.26 | Cide | awesome |
| 11:47.57 | krka | only for premium though |
| 11:48.06 | Cide | yeah |
| 11:48.17 | krka | btw, i am starting there in december! |
| 11:48.20 | Cide | but I just got a phone from telia so cheap premium for a year |
| 11:48.23 | Cide | really? awesome! |
| 11:48.37 | Cide | feel free to make the sound control work in the linux version yeah? |
| 11:49.01 | krka | probably not in the client teams :P |
| 11:49.17 | Cide | well slap their heads for me then |
| 11:49.47 | amro | why does it look exactly like itunes? |
| 11:49.53 | Cide | spotify? |
| 11:50.01 | Cide | wasn't aware it did |
| 11:50.17 | amro | http://www.spotify.com/int/new-user/ |
| 11:50.27 | Cide | shrug |
| 11:50.32 | Cide | it streams music for free |
| 11:50.38 | Cide | with ads |
| 11:50.43 | Cide | or without ads for $$$ |
| 11:50.49 | Cide | very convenient though |
| 11:53.40 | krka | i agree, it looks similar to itunes |
| 11:54.07 | Cide | I've never used itunes |
| 11:54.14 | Cide | only seen others use it |
| 11:54.14 | amro | good for you |
| 11:54.17 | krka | me neither, just looking at screenshots |
| 11:54.21 | Cide | yeah |
| 11:54.25 | Cide | my impression of it is horrible |
| 11:54.31 | krka | same "previous, play, next" buttons |
| 11:54.34 | krka | same browse buttons |
| 11:54.39 | krka | same left side link list |
| 11:54.47 | Cide | *cough* ripoff |
| 11:54.48 | TMc51 | I've used it. It's not that bad, actually. Winamp is still better, though. |
| 11:54.57 | Cide | winamp is so pre-spotify era |
| 11:55.17 | Cide | and actually forces you to purchase music (or, gasp, download music) |
| 11:55.25 | TMc51 | Eh, I use Last.fm for my streaming music. No adds, and it records what I listen to/like for free. |
| 11:55.57 | Cide | I've never used last.fm either |
| 11:56.00 | Cide | how does it work? |
| 11:56.07 | TMc51 | streaming radio pretty much |
| 11:56.08 | Cide | I doubt you can listen to anything you want for free without ads |
| 11:56.15 | Cide | ah, so you can't choose what to listen to exactly |
| 11:56.17 | Cide | pandora-style |
| 11:56.21 | krka | he said adds! like extra mobs in wow |
| 11:56.25 | Cide | oh |
| 11:56.26 | Cide | true |
| 11:56.31 | krka | streaming music without extra mobs in wow seems plausible |
| 11:56.36 | Cide | indeed |
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| 11:56.41 | TMc51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.06 | Cide | last.fm: now add-train free |
| 11:57.30 | TMc51 | Last.fm: Now with free gankings! |
| 11:57.57 | TMc51 | wth? Manic Monday on my Steampunk Radio? D: |
| 11:58.09 | Cide | funday monday |
| 11:58.53 | TMc51 | Soooo, say I'm thinking of trying out Spotify. They won't suddenly, like, errr, toss in something completely UNREFREAKINGLATED to what I'm trying to enjoy, would they? |
| 11:59.07 | Cide | you pick whatever you want to play, always |
| 11:59.19 | Cide | if you have the free edition they throw in audio ads now and then however |
| 11:59.19 | krka | there is a radio mode |
| 11:59.23 | Cide | true |
| 11:59.26 | krka | but it's sort of like a dynamic playlist |
| 11:59.29 | amro | I wish every day was funday monday |
| 11:59.32 | krka | you can still choose what songs you want to hear |
| 11:59.52 | krka | not sure where spotify is available these days |
| 12:00.01 | TMc51 | trying to enjoy my morning steampunk mix and last.fm just tossed in an old pop song. >.< |
| 12:00.03 | Cide | not the us in any case |
| 12:00.20 | TMc51 | =( |
| 12:00.22 | TMc51 | lame |
| 12:00.53 | Cide | probably working hard on getting that set up but not yet afaik |
| 12:00.59 | TMc51 | maybe if somebody were to round up the mpaa/riaa and toss them into a volcano as virgin sacrifices it would be possible. :o |
| 12:01.26 | Cide | well if they weren't around... ANYTHING would be possible! |
| 12:01.48 | TMc51 | I just sit and pretend they don't exist, and VOILA, they don't! :o |
| 12:01.53 | TMc51 | I'm pr0 like that. |
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| 12:14.24 | Adys | Cide |
| 12:14.29 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/10/06/termcolor.png |
| 12:17.02 | Cide | Adys: nice |
| 12:17.35 | Adys | so awesome |
| 12:17.43 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/254124/ |
| 12:17.45 | Adys | the renderer |
| 12:18.29 | Cide | I tried nginx btw |
| 12:18.39 | Adys | yah? |
| 12:18.47 | Cide | but I solved the problem and it wasn't related to either of them |
| 12:18.50 | Cide | it was me being awful |
| 12:18.55 | Cide | so not sure which I'll go with now |
| 12:19.31 | Adys | nginx is probably the safest choice |
| 12:19.42 | Adys | lighty is a bit.. unmaintained? I dont know |
| 12:19.49 | Cide | yeah, that's what I read |
| 12:19.53 | Adys | not unmaintained but nginx has more support/community |
| 12:20.04 | Cide | nginx has a more confusing configuration though |
| 12:20.21 | Cide | configurating lighttpd is so simple |
| 12:20.25 | Adys | "What do you want, apaaaaache?!" |
| 12:20.26 | Adys | :D |
| 12:20.36 | Cide | nooooooo |
| 12:20.43 | Adys | ahahah |
| 12:20.50 | Adys | looking back at apache |
| 12:21.02 | Adys | i cant believe how braindamaged you have to be to design such a config system |
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| 12:26.29 | Cide | agreed |
| 12:27.43 | krka | you're being too nice by calling it "design" |
| 12:27.48 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | Argh. Braaains. |
| 12:28.06 | zenzio | no, tickles |
| 12:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | is a zombie. Nom nom zzzzzzzzz. |
| 12:28.16 | Cide | krka: agreed |
| 12:29.27 | krka | you'll agree to anything! |
| 12:29.33 | Cide | disagreed |
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| 12:29.56 | angayelle | hai people |
| 12:30.02 | zenzio | ohai |
| 12:30.15 | TMc51 | hai thar |
| 12:30.20 | angayelle | i'm looking for command in lua to change the y offset of my frame |
| 12:31.02 | angayelle | anyone got that ? |
| 12:31.21 | zenzio | SetPoint? |
| 12:31.24 | TMc51 | Sorry, not off the top of my head. |
| 12:32.10 | angayelle | oy, setpoint seems to do that |
| 12:32.28 | angayelle | i was trying to find something similar to setheight |
| 12:33.32 | zenzio | as far as I know there's only SetPoint for changing such things |
| 12:34.02 | angayelle | gonna try that |
| 12:38.24 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/254470/ |
| 12:38.27 | Adys | SO awesome |
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| 12:39.13 | Cide | nice |
| 12:39.19 | Cide | except skillproxy is ugly |
| 12:39.21 | Cide | but still nice |
| 12:39.33 | Adys | proxies are awesome |
| 12:39.37 | Adys | they let me have any backend i want |
| 12:40.06 | Adys | i can recreate those methods in a new SQLGlyphProxy for example |
| 12:40.10 | Adys | and have it init SQLSkillProxy |
| 12:41.25 | Adys | Cide: amro is being annoying; capitalizing classmethods (cls.GetAllSpells), yes/no |
| 12:41.54 | amro | it's just a style for clarification |
| 12:42.03 | Adys | i know it is |
| 12:47.11 | Cide | noway |
| 12:47.14 | Cide | well |
| 12:47.24 | Cide | not sure what PEP8 says |
| 12:47.29 | Cide | but I don't think it's too bad |
| 12:47.36 | amro | fuck PEP8 |
| 12:47.43 | amro | PEP8 uses space indent |
| 12:47.43 | Cide | especially if they're factory methods |
| 12:48.36 | amro | point is to see at a glance that it's a static method because you can't from the syntax |
| 12:48.40 | amro | unlike in C++ for instance |
| 12:48.58 | Cide | sure you can |
| 12:49.07 | Cide | you're using Class.method() instead of inst.method() |
| 12:49.31 | amro | yeah but it still shows up in dir(inst) |
| 12:49.39 | Cide | who uses dir(inst)? :P |
| 12:49.46 | amro | I do |
| 12:49.52 | Cide | why |
| 12:49.59 | amro | REPL |
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| 12:50.06 | amro | that way I don't have to google for shit |
| 12:50.37 | Cide | huh? |
| 12:50.54 | Cide | still not sure why you care about class methods being in dir() :P |
| 12:50.56 | amro | if I want to see what methods an object has without pulling up the docs |
| 12:51.04 | Cide | ide |
| 12:51.18 | amro | ide is not a part of the language |
| 12:51.29 | Cide | who cares? |
| 12:51.35 | Cide | an interpreter is not part of the language |
| 12:51.51 | amro | the interpreter is the de facto standard of the language |
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| 12:52.10 | Cide | no, it's just an interactive interpretator :P |
| 12:52.13 | Cide | oh |
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| 12:52.22 | amro | that does sound way cooler |
| 12:52.37 | Cide | I did mean the interactive interpretator |
| 12:52.37 | amro | and I don't see why you feel so strongly about this |
| 12:52.42 | Cide | wtf |
| 12:52.44 | Cide | interpretator |
| 12:52.47 | Cide | I am fucking stupid |
| 12:52.52 | Cide | is that swedish? |
| 12:52.54 | Cide | anyway |
| 12:53.14 | amro | it's just like putting constants in all caps |
| 12:53.18 | Cide | dir() is only really useful for the interactive interpreter and that's as much of an addon as an ide |
| 12:53.22 | Cide | and I don't feel strongly |
| 12:53.25 | Cide | I just like toa rgue |
| 12:53.26 | Cide | argu |
| 12:53.27 | Cide | argue |
| 12:53.28 | Cide | . |
| 12:53.37 | amro | except everyone has the interpreter |
| 12:53.41 | amro | not everyone has an ide |
| 12:54.22 | mitch0 | moo |
| 12:54.34 | Cide | but everyone should have |
| 12:54.47 | amro | that's just irrelevant to the point here |
| 12:55.39 | Cide | not really |
| 12:55.54 | Cide | if you don't have an ide I can see you grasping for straws to make it easier on you :P |
| 12:56.25 | Fisker | man |
| 12:56.35 | Fisker | some people here just don't like linux |
| 12:56.45 | Shirik | Anyone know of a distributed VCS that's under LGPL or something that I can include in non-free software? |
| 12:56.48 | mitch0 | fisker: no wonder |
| 12:57.06 | mitch0 | shirik: hg? |
| 12:57.09 | amro | Cide: I'm not grasping for straws |
| 12:57.12 | Shirik | hg is under GPL |
| 12:57.19 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: fossil possibly? |
| 12:57.24 | Fisker | We were considering a transition to linux because new hardware was too expensive, and we had old hardware that was on the brink of being thrown out |
| 12:57.26 | Cide | just prepend an L and be done with it |
| 12:57.27 | amro | I do this in C++ where I have a kickass ide |
| 12:57.30 | amro | you just like being a douche |
| 12:57.31 | Cide | Lhg <=> LGPL yeah? |
| 12:57.35 | Fisker | So instead of throwing hardware out we could run linux on it |
| 12:57.37 | mitch0 | shirik: are you sure? frog creek or somesuch sells some stuff based on hg |
| 12:57.41 | Cide | amro: I'm not a douche :P |
| 12:57.46 | Fisker | About 1½ week ago they stole 22 laptops with the old hardware |
| 12:57.51 | Fisker | today almost 50 more was stolen |
| 12:57.51 | Cide | adys asked me what I thought about it |
| 12:57.52 | Fisker | :D |
| 12:57.54 | Fisker | were* |
| 12:57.56 | amro | you totally are |
| 12:58.06 | Cide | no |
| 12:58.07 | amro | I'm done arguing unless you can be objective and resist taking stabs at me |
| 12:58.14 | Cide | I'm not taking stabs at you? |
| 12:58.18 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: http://methodlogic.net/BSDFossil.html |
| 12:58.22 | jnwhiteh | seems to be what you're looking for. |
| 12:58.27 | Cide | you're way overreacting |
| 12:58.28 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 12:58.30 | Fisker | do i want google tv? |
| 12:58.38 | Shirik | hm |
| 12:58.40 | jnwhiteh | I dunno, haven't paid much attention to it, tbh |
| 12:58.42 | Shirik | never heard of fossil, but thanks |
| 12:58.42 | Cide | I'm chilling and making dinner |
| 12:58.49 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: its the dscm used for sqlite |
| 12:58.54 | Cide | too busy with that to be a douche |
| 12:58.55 | Fisker | it's android yo |
| 12:58.55 | jnwhiteh | integrated issue tracking and a wiki |
| 12:58.58 | jnwhiteh | its fairly well known |
| 12:59.11 | jnwhiteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_(software) |
| 12:59.18 | amro | Cide: your arguments are all subjective so |
| 12:59.22 | Cide | of course |
| 12:59.24 | amro | unless you can be more objective, I'm done |
| 12:59.28 | Cide | it's an inherently subjective subject |
| 12:59.54 | amro | not when you're telling others to do it |
| 12:59.57 | amro | or not to do it |
| 13:00.00 | Cide | I'm not |
| 13:00.03 | Cide | I'm arguing for my opinion |
| 13:00.08 | Cide | you're free to do whatever you want |
| 13:00.21 | Cide | I just think that using Class.classmethod() is clear enough for me |
| 13:00.26 | Cide | which was what Adys asked |
| 13:00.38 | amro | [13:50] <Cide> still not sure why you care about class methods being in dir() :P |
| 13:00.54 | amro | and then you go on about how because you don't use dir, nobody should |
| 13:00.58 | amro | everybody should have an idea |
| 13:01.01 | amro | etc etc |
| 13:01.04 | amro | er, ide* |
| 13:02.06 | krka | talking about python now? |
| 13:02.36 | Kraps | http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9681/wowphisingidiots2.jpg |
| 13:02.50 | amro | yes |
| 13:03.04 | Cide | I do think everyone should use an ide |
| 13:03.08 | Cide | it makes coding immensely easier |
| 13:03.13 | krka | what are the good IDEs for python? |
| 13:03.17 | Cide | but that's just helpful advice, not me trying to force it upon people |
| 13:03.21 | Cide | komodo |
| 13:03.37 | Cide | activestate komodo (edit|ide) |
| 13:03.37 | amro | yeah because everyone can afford to buy an IDE for every little language they use |
| 13:03.46 | Cide | there are free ide's |
| 13:03.48 | amro | besides, that's not the point |
| 13:03.52 | Cide | komodo edit qualifying nicely |
| 13:03.54 | amro | you don't write code with an IDE in mind |
| 13:04.01 | Shirik | krka: Visual Studio |
| 13:04.04 | Cide | shrug |
| 13:04.09 | Cide | Shirik: komodo has a vi mode |
| 13:04.12 | Cide | it's cool. |
| 13:04.14 | Shirik | so does visual studio |
| 13:04.19 | amro | so does kate. |
| 13:04.19 | Cide | meh |
| 13:04.31 | amro | and isn't vstudio's not free? |
| 13:04.34 | Cide | komodo is superior for python I think |
| 13:04.37 | Shirik | it's free for me |
| 13:04.39 | krka | anyone tried python in intellij 9? |
| 13:04.49 | Cide | but I've only used vstudio for c++ |
| 13:04.50 | amro | vstudio is like windows, you buy it, and then you buy a ton more shit just to make it useful |
| 13:04.56 | Shirik | negative |
| 13:05.03 | Shirik | it's like chrome |
| 13:05.06 | Shirik | you get it |
| 13:05.08 | Shirik | and then it's awesome |
| 13:05.13 | Shirik | and then you get a ton of extensions to make it more awesome |
| 13:05.22 | amro | what's so awesome about vstudio out of the box? |
| 13:05.58 | *** part/#wowuidev zenzio (~zenzio__@85.19.77.194) |
| 13:05.59 | Shirik | it's got unit testing capabilities, a very powerful compiler, good syntax highlighting, project management, FxCop |
| 13:06.04 | Shirik | Diagramming |
| 13:06.12 | Shirik | architectural analysis |
| 13:06.22 | Shirik | source control management |
| 13:06.28 | Shirik | a kick-ass debugger |
| 13:06.33 | Shirik | should I continue? |
| 13:06.37 | Cide | kick-ass python debugger? |
| 13:06.38 | amro | yes, you should |
| 13:06.47 | amro | I'm waiting for a cool feature that my 100% free ide doesn't already have |
| 13:06.49 | Cide | python architectural analysis? |
| 13:06.58 | Shirik | your free IDE provides architectural analysis? |
| 13:07.04 | Shirik | and Cide that's language agnostic :P |
| 13:07.08 | Cide | that's good |
| 13:07.25 | amro | I don't know what that is, sounds boring |
| 13:07.39 | Cide | it analyzes the architecture |
| 13:07.48 | amro | and then? |
| 13:07.52 | Shirik | It tells you "you aren't going to meet your performance requirements, you're screwed" |
| 13:07.53 | Cide | and assumably provides some arbitrary output |
| 13:08.22 | Cide | performance requirements <=> underscores per minute in python? |
| 13:08.28 | Cide | lololol |
| 13:08.50 | amro | also, kdevelop's semantic highlighting blows vstudio out of the water |
| 13:09.03 | Shirik | visual assist corrects that |
| 13:09.07 | Kraps | haha, in the Skyline entry on rotten tomatoes a user review says "Protoss are building additional pylons." |
| 13:09.10 | amro | so, back to my point |
| 13:09.13 | amro | having to buy extra shit |
| 13:09.19 | Shirik | eh? |
| 13:09.25 | Shirik | you don't have to |
| 13:09.47 | amro | vax is not free |
| 13:10.12 | Shirik | you don't have to buy it |
| 13:10.15 | amro | but if I don't, then I don't have it |
| 13:10.17 | batrick | hello shirik |
| 13:10.22 | Shirik | hello batrick |
| 13:10.28 | batrick | i have a new project |
| 13:10.29 | amro | which means you can't claim it as somehow being a feature of vstudio |
| 13:10.30 | batrick | you interested?! |
| 13:10.31 | Shirik | amro, its syntax highlighting is not that bad |
| 13:10.35 | Shirik | batrick, I'm already swamped |
| 13:10.50 | batrick | you wouldn't be if your dropped your wiki slave duties |
| 13:10.58 | amro | Shirik: if you've used semantic highlighting, you know how it then makes any syntax highlighting look like no highlighting at all |
| 13:11.29 | Shirik | batrick, do my practicum for me |
| 13:11.45 | krka | what does semantic highlighting mean? |
| 13:11.49 | batrick | wut's practicum |
| 13:12.01 | krka | is it like in the lua plugin in intellij where I can see if a variable is local or global? |
| 13:12.08 | krka | or more advanced stuff? |
| 13:12.12 | amro | krka: yes, but more stuff |
| 13:12.14 | amro | http://zwabel.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/c-ide-evolution-from-syntax-highlighting-to-semantic-highlighting/ |
| 13:12.30 | Shirik | ~wiki practicum |
| 13:12.59 | batrick | whatever |
| 13:13.00 | Shirik | amro... |
| 13:13.16 | amro | what? |
| 13:14.39 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/671841c2b8fae61f83b89dbecb52629a.png |
| 13:14.42 | Shirik | VS does this without VAX |
| 13:14.55 | Cide | < amro> http://zwabel.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/c-ide-evolution-from-syntax-highlighting-to-semantic-highlighting/ |
| 13:15.08 | Cide | cide evolution from syntax highlighting to semantic highlighting |
| 13:15.11 | Cide | lovin' it |
| 13:15.44 | amro | Shirik: that's for C# |
| 13:15.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 13:16.15 | amro | I'm talking about C++ |
| 13:16.20 | krka | then i can dig it |
| 13:16.35 | amro | and MonoDevelop does that shit for C# |
| 13:16.40 | amro | I'm sure SharpDevelop does as welll |
| 13:17.03 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/afb84e26075c6ae9c520f2c38574ea95.png |
| 13:17.45 | amro | god that's ugly, everything is the same color |
| 13:17.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:17.53 | Shirik | because they should be? |
| 13:18.09 | Shirik | the functions are red, the macros are purple |
| 13:18.18 | Shirik | the variables are bold |
| 13:18.39 | Shirik | oh it screwed up the classes, strange |
| 13:18.47 | Shirik | it must be because of the generated code, it's usually light blue |
| 13:19.01 | Shirik | The CORBA stuff gets really funky |
| 13:19.45 | Shirik | orrrrr I changed the color |
| 13:19.46 | Shirik | I win |
| 13:20.10 | amro | then what's this I read about vax enhancing the coloring? |
| 13:20.32 | Cide | VAX: now with double the rainbows |
| 13:20.41 | Cide | Adys: ping |
| 13:20.47 | Shirik | amro: It's better.... MUCH better |
| 13:20.56 | Adys | pong cide |
| 13:20.59 | amro | it'd have to be |
| 13:21.02 | Shirik | VAX disambiguates between stable/unstable symbols |
| 13:21.12 | Cide | so in nginx |
| 13:21.26 | Cide | I have location /media { root /home/cide/dev/django/project/media; } |
| 13:21.28 | Shirik | also its intelllisense replacement is awesome |
| 13:21.32 | batrick | that's some scary looking code there Shirik |
| 13:21.39 | Shirik | batrick: Read the very first line |
| 13:21.40 | amro | you should try kdev4 |
| 13:21.41 | amro | also |
| 13:21.42 | amro | For VC 6 users, Visual Assist X provides several additional time-saving features. |
| 13:21.43 | Cide | only that tries to resolve /home/cide/dev/django/project/media/media; |
| 13:21.46 | amro | ahahahahah |
| 13:21.50 | batrick | my point stands |
| 13:21.58 | Shirik | amro: Yeah :P |
| 13:22.04 | Cide | can I rewrite it so that it removes the /media from the location? |
| 13:22.10 | Shirik | batrick: Nobody's supposed to read it :P |
| 13:22.14 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 13:22.15 | Fisker | i just came |
| 13:22.16 | Fisker | http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2010/10/06/chip-shot-intel-ssds-add-cloning-utility |
| 13:22.26 | amro | Shirik: you should probably have used a human readable file as an example |
| 13:22.28 | mikma | sioraiocht: pong! |
| 13:22.45 | Shirik | amro: Um |
| 13:22.45 | sioraiocht | mikma: what is the name of the town you live in? |
| 13:22.49 | Shirik | To put it simply |
| 13:22.51 | Shirik | This is more readable |
| 13:22.59 | Shirik | I didn't write the C++ part of this project, a moron did |
| 13:23.00 | krka | yes, it's quite bizarre that you choose an unreadable file as an example for semantic highlighting |
| 13:23.06 | amro | ouch |
| 13:23.10 | mikma | sioraiocht: Lempäälä |
| 13:23.15 | sioraiocht | thanks |
| 13:23.33 | Cide | Adys: halp |
| 13:23.37 | mikma | sioraiocht: sub-area is "Sääksjärvi" ( mosquitolake ) |
| 13:24.01 | Shirik | letm e switch to one of my projects |
| 13:24.12 | krka | your request is granted |
| 13:24.14 | mikma | sioraiocht: but notice, lempäälä is next to Tampere! |
| 13:24.21 | Humbedooh | ! |
| 13:24.26 | Adys | Cide: uh |
| 13:24.34 | mikma | sioraiocht: second or third-biggest town in Finland |
| 13:24.35 | Adys | I uh |
| 13:24.38 | Adys | i dont know :( |
| 13:24.39 | sioraiocht | mikma: indeed! I remembered you lived near tampere but I couldn't remember which town |
| 13:24.52 | Humbedooh | I have a friend in Tampere! |
| 13:25.05 | Adys | I have a friend called Tamere |
| 13:25.06 | Adys | pokes amro |
| 13:25.20 | amro | she's right here |
| 13:25.26 | krka | I currently have a friend called Ampere |
| 13:25.59 | amro | would be fun to have him in an electricity class |
| 13:26.04 | Cide | Adys: ubad |
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| 13:26.48 | mikma | shit guys, ze battery, is running out! |
| 13:26.53 | Cide | he needs to change his last name to Tesla |
| 13:27.00 | mikma | but its le cellularphone |
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| 13:27.12 | krka | I think he'd resist that |
| 13:27.16 | Cide | then he can express his name as kg/s^2 |
| 13:27.23 | mikma | well put it in a charger THEN IRC ZEM MORE! |
| 13:29.21 | Jamash | I'm thinking about a new feature that would add a "Buy All" button to the default skill trainer frame |
| 13:30.37 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cf9422d3ab19b79325b28e859dcf8da3.png |
| 13:30.52 | Shirik | Hard to tell: Bold vs non-bold and some of that is desaturated |
| 13:30.56 | batrick | pukes. |
| 13:31.02 | Shirik | can see it clearly on my screen but maybe not on the screenshot |
| 13:31.05 | batrick | I C C++ |
| 13:31.22 | Jamash | posting a picture of C++ source is the software equivalent of goatse |
| 13:31.27 | batrick | ^ |
| 13:31.37 | Cide | until you see C |
| 13:31.37 | Shirik | It's desaturated because it's in an #ifdef which currently evaluates to false |
| 13:31.45 | Shirik | I bet your kdevelop can't do that!! |
| 13:31.55 | Ackis | ifdef's Shirik |
| 13:32.00 | Cide | #undef Shirik |
| 13:32.09 | amro | actually it can |
| 13:32.10 | Cide | desaturates Ackis |
| 13:32.13 | amro | duchain is pretty badass |
| 13:32.25 | Shirik | how does it even know what defines are active? |
| 13:32.33 | amro | it has a preprocessor |
| 13:32.38 | Jamash | the same way VC++ does |
| 13:32.48 | Shirik | I thought kdevelop didn't have projects |
| 13:32.51 | Shirik | it just had source files |
| 13:33.01 | amro | 10 years ago maybe. |
| 13:33.06 | amro | or maybe you're thinking of kate |
| 13:33.09 | amro | kate is a text editor |
| 13:33.11 | Shirik | probably kate |
| 13:33.17 | amro | kdevelop is an ide that uses the kate editor |
| 13:33.31 | Shirik | anyway, some of the stuff here is unfortunately part of VAX |
| 13:33.32 | amro | it even has a cmake parser |
| 13:33.36 | Shirik | like how NULL and std::string are italicized |
| 13:34.20 | amro | it has these really awesome tooltips when you hover over shit |
| 13:34.37 | amro | type, docstring, link to declaration, link to definition, link to show all uses |
| 13:34.52 | amro | and some refactoring options |
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| 13:35.08 | Shirik | VS does this too |
| 13:35.11 | amro | and if you're in debug mode, it also shows a tooltip with the current value |
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| 13:35.15 | Shirik | though VAX does it better |
| 13:35.39 | amro | my point is that unless you shell out even more money, your experience with vstudio is incomplete |
| 13:35.49 | Shirik | no |
| 13:35.51 | Shirik | VS does all this |
| 13:35.53 | Shirik | but VAX does it better |
| 13:35.58 | amro | exactly |
| 13:36.06 | amro | if you want the best, you have to pay more |
| 13:36.13 | Shirik | I bet VAX does it better than kdevelop too |
| 13:36.19 | amro | possible |
| 13:36.24 | amro | kdevelop4 hasn't been around for long |
| 13:36.28 | Shirik | then your kdevelop experience is incomplete |
| 13:36.36 | amro | it isn't |
| 13:36.39 | Shirik | VS2010 hasn't been around for long |
| 13:36.39 | mitch0 | real coders code in vi |
| 13:36.49 | amro | is vs2010 a rewrite from scratch? |
| 13:36.52 | Jamash | I assume you're not talking about the DEC computer |
| 13:37.04 | Shirik | in response to that I say this |
| 13:37.27 | Shirik | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html |
| 13:37.39 | mitch0 | jamash: he probably doesn't even know about it :P youngsters |
| 13:37.39 | amro | that's not my point |
| 13:37.53 | amro | kdevelop3 was like vc6 in terms of ide features |
| 13:38.10 | amro | kdevelop4 was pretty much a rewrite simply because of all the shit that had to be implemented from scratch anyway |
| 13:38.11 | Jamash | I remember when it was the hip thing to do to skip version numbers |
| 13:38.13 | amro | such as duchain |
| 13:38.26 | amro | now the core infrastructure is complete, they're adding shit on top of it |
| 13:38.32 | amro | like improving the preprocessor |
| 13:38.38 | amro | and adding better refactoring featuers |
| 13:38.51 | amro | on the other hand, vs has been steadily improving for years |
| 13:40.00 | amro | I've been using kdev4 since early development and if they keep up their pace of improvement, in a couple of years it'll be right at the top |
| 13:40.04 | Jamash | microsoft software is always getting better, for the simple reason that it can't get any worse |
| 13:40.12 | amro | actually it can |
| 13:40.14 | amro | vista :P |
| 13:40.29 | Jamash | millenium edition |
| 13:40.39 | amro | seriously though, a few years ago vstudio was the best ide for c++ hands down |
| 13:40.41 | Jamash | Bob |
| 13:40.42 | amro | but that's no longer the case |
| 13:40.53 | amro | I actually liked bob. |
| 13:44.22 | Shirik | I hear the next VS is going to like |
| 13:44.26 | Shirik | revolutionize coding |
| 13:44.31 | Shirik | it's what I'm told |
| 13:44.35 | Shirik | I know nothing more than that though :( |
| 13:45.09 | Jamash | it'll look like the computer in minority report |
| 13:45.22 | Jamash | you'll just wave your hands around and bugs will magically disappear |
| 13:45.27 | Cide | no... it's *written entirely from scratch* |
| 13:45.29 | amro | it's probably going to be some abstract shit that'll crash and burn harder than bob |
| 13:45.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:45.48 | Shirik | don't know what bob is |
| 13:45.55 | Shirik | you know what should crash and burn |
| 13:45.55 | Jamash | of course, you will also need to find 3 brain-damaged psychics with advanced neural interfaces to plug in to the backend |
| 13:45.56 | Shirik | eclipse |
| 13:46.04 | Jamash | it's too big to burn |
| 13:46.08 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob |
| 13:46.12 | Jamash | you'd have to nuke it from orbit |
| 13:46.18 | Shirik | oh that |
| 13:46.25 | Shirik | I thought you meant a linux tool |
| 13:46.42 | Jamash | it was written in lisp I believe |
| 13:47.13 | amro | I did read something about a high level abstract development system from microsoft |
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| 13:48.34 | Cide | Bob features "Assistants": cartoon characters which can help the user navigate the virtual house or perform tasks in the main interface or within the built-in applications. |
| 13:48.36 | Cide | sounds revolutionary |
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| 13:52.03 | mikma | http://www.fastcompany.com/1692957/facebook-profile-picture-flowchart |
| 13:54.16 | Jamash | My facebook profile picture is of me hugging a weighted companion cube at PAX 2009 |
| 13:55.46 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure that I'm somewhere off the edge of that chart |
| 14:09.16 | cbreak_work | I think facebook is out to get me. |
| 14:09.21 | cbreak_work | so I don't have an account there. |
| 14:10.09 | Jamash | probably best |
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| 14:16.55 | mikma | NSF pope: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/cave_explorer.jpg |
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| 14:21.54 | Jamash | snzz |
| 14:23.45 | Ackis | any basketball people around? |
| 14:23.59 | Fierceflame | Okay, I'm trying to compare the current equipment to a set gearset, when EQUIPMENT_SWAP_FINISHED is fired, but then it will compare to the previous gearm, instead of the current gear. Anyone know how I could solve this? :S |
| 14:25.38 | mikma | fierceflame: is there another event before the swap? :P |
| 14:26.08 | Fierceflame | Yep, EQUIPMENT_SWAP_START or something like that |
| 14:26.25 | Fierceflame | But I don;t see how that would help xD |
| 14:26.29 | mikma | then use START to get the current gear, and FINISHED to get the swapped gear |
| 14:26.40 | Fierceflame | I only need the swapped gear :P |
| 14:26.48 | Fierceflame | So the 'new gear' |
| 14:26.58 | mikma | and what was the problem again? |
| 14:27.02 | Fierceflame | I'll compare that to a speciefied gearset. |
| 14:27.11 | mikma | FINISHED shows the gear what was on before? |
| 14:27.12 | Fierceflame | That it willt take the old gear after that event xD |
| 14:27.18 | Fierceflame | Yep |
| 14:27.25 | mikma | well /eventtrace and see what happens |
| 14:27.42 | Fierceflame | That a standard command? Or I need some addon for that? ;) |
| 14:27.48 | mikma | builtin |
| 14:27.53 | mikma | like /framestack or /dump |
| 14:27.59 | Fierceflame | Gonna check it :D |
| 14:28.14 | Fisker | fuck you Shirik |
| 14:29.29 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:29.32 | Fisker | hello |
| 14:29.48 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:32.47 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:32.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.05 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.12 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.16 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.19 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.20 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.27 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.30 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.31 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.31 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.33 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.36 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.37 | mikma | enough already |
| 14:33.37 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 14:33.39 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 14:33.46 | mikma | you both proved that you are retards |
| 14:33.46 | Thunder_Child | now now mikma |
| 14:34.00 | Fisker | mikma i don't have anything to prove |
| 14:34.02 | Thunder_Child | this was hardly in question |
| 14:34.02 | mikma | well, fisker mainly |
| 14:34.37 | Ackis | mikma |
| 14:35.23 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:35.30 | mikma | ackis: hello |
| 14:35.34 | Ackis | mikma |
| 14:35.37 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 14:35.48 | Fisker | hello Ackis |
| 14:35.51 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.06 | mikma | ackis: http://mikma.eu/wow/Duh/ |
| 14:36.12 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.13 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 14:36.14 | Ackis | mikma |
| 14:36.19 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.23 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.27 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.30 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.31 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.34 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.35 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.37 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.38 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.40 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.41 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.43 | mikma | mikma |
| 14:36.43 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.44 | Thunder_Child | Ackis |
| 14:36.45 | mikma | mikma |
| 14:36.45 | Ackis | mikma |
| 14:36.47 | mikma | mikma |
| 14:36.48 | Ackis | Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.51 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 14:36.57 | mikma | cairenn|afk |
| 14:37.06 | Thunder_Child | mikma |
| 14:37.10 | Ackis | you go too far mikma |
| 14:37.24 | mikma | i am trying to get fisker banned |
| 14:37.33 | Thunder_Child | aint gonna happen |
| 14:37.36 | Ackis | he's immune |
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| 14:40.57 | Ackis | cide |
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| 14:42.31 | mikma | ackis: iMune you say? |
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| 14:45.29 | Fisker | i'm very immune |
| 14:45.33 | Fisker | can't even hop spam anymore |
| 14:45.54 | Cide | Ackis: hi |
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| 14:49.45 | amro | Ackis: basketball people? |
| 14:52.03 | Ackis | amro: aka people who know the rules/etc |
| 14:52.08 | amro | I do |
| 14:52.30 | Ackis | what's a PG and SG? |
| 14:52.59 | Ackis | and what are their roles in a game? |
| 14:53.12 | Ackis | and what's the 3 second rule on defense? |
| 14:53.14 | amro | point guard and shooting guard |
| 14:53.51 | amro | 3 second rule limits how long you can stay in the 'bottle' |
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| 14:55.11 | Ackis | so as defense you can only stay there for 3 seconds? what about on offense? |
| 14:55.33 | amro | no, as offense |
| 14:55.39 | amro | defense can stand wherever they want |
| 14:56.22 | amro | as for pg/sg, pg is the playmaker |
| 14:56.41 | amro | he's the one standing out with the ball waiting for a chance to pass it in |
| 14:56.52 | amro | sg's job is to score |
| 14:57.32 | Ackis | okies |
| 14:57.37 | Ackis | I bought NBA 2k11 yesterday |
| 14:57.40 | Ackis | no idea what I'm doing |
| 14:57.45 | Ackis | but I can play as Michael Jordan |
| 14:58.19 | amro | I haven't played NBA video games in 10 years |
| 14:58.21 | Shirik | ....................................................................... |
| 14:58.26 | Shirik | most epic fail by a junk mail system ever |
| 14:58.29 | Ackis | I don't know how to dunk yet |
| 14:58.36 | Ackis | but I can lay up like a pro |
| 14:58.37 | amro | I don't recall the controls much |
| 14:58.42 | Shirik | An email from myself gets routed to the spam email box |
| 14:58.51 | amro | I think you just sprint to the rim and hold shoot |
| 14:58.52 | Cide | gmail put the blizzcon tickets in my junk mail |
| 14:58.54 | Cide | that's pretty fail |
| 14:59.07 | Shirik | Not only that, but I can't move it out of the spam email box because "The sender for thsi email is internal to your organization and cannot be added to the Safe Senders list. E-mail from senders in your organization will never be treated as junk e-mail." |
| 14:59.16 | mitch0 | I never check my junk mail on gmail |
| 14:59.25 | Fierceflame | Mikma, think I found the bug, some logic error, trying to fix it now |
| 14:59.28 | Shirik | Somehow I disagree |
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| 14:59.52 | mitch0 | shirik: :) |
| 15:00.43 | Ackis | amro: they change the controls all the time =/ |
| 15:01.08 | amro | sports games have fucked up controls |
| 15:01.24 | amro | PES has 6 pages of information on the controls |
| 15:01.28 | amro | 6 pages of text |
| 15:02.08 | Shirik | omg |
| 15:02.11 | Shirik | Cide is going to blizzcon? |
| 15:03.03 | Cide | no |
| 15:03.04 | Cide | I wish |
| 15:03.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 15:03.08 | Shirik | stop lying |
| 15:03.14 | Cide | a final coincides with the saturday |
| 15:03.16 | Cide | -_- |
| 15:03.25 | Cide | I bought tickets for Xinhuan and kd3 |
| 15:03.30 | Ackis | skip the final? |
| 15:03.58 | Cide | I would have if my economy was good enough to truly justify going :P |
| 15:04.07 | Cide | it's like a $1000 flight |
| 15:04.19 | Cide | a bit cheaper if you get it super-early |
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| 15:19.46 | cog|work | it's growing logarithmically, but it's still growing! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4993102&l=c675bd552f&id=563064469 |
| 15:20.23 | Cide | each can is a unique type of soda? |
| 15:20.53 | kd3 | bonus points for the caffeine molecule on top |
| 15:21.07 | Cide | but you fail at organizing your monster cans |
| 15:29.10 | mikma | cog|work: you gonna drink that? |
| 15:30.54 | Cide | you have a week. |
| 15:34.23 | angayelle | what's the difference between a function OnLoad and watching the ADDON_LOADED event when it comes to use either to launch command at start ? |
| 15:34.37 | TC-Work | cog|work: have you found a clear winner yet? |
| 15:34.48 | Ackis | cog|work: imagine the impact to climate change if you recycled them :P |
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| 15:37.30 | nicoli_s | cog|work:i cant wait till all the bugs that are fueled on your energy drinks come back and overthrow the US |
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| 15:43.45 | Cide | how do I specify which remote that is the default to use when pulling in git? the documentation of git remote doesn't seem to turn anything relevant up |
| 15:43.53 | Cide | (so I don't have to specify git pull [remote]) |
| 15:44.01 | Cide | oh |
| 15:44.02 | Cide | nvm |
| 15:44.12 | Cide | got it |
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| 15:47.30 | Shirik | Cide: origin |
| 15:47.45 | Cide | I don't get it actually |
| 15:47.48 | Cide | does it have to be named origin specifically? |
| 15:47.55 | Shirik | that's how I do it at least |
| 15:48.02 | Cide | yeah, I know that's the standard name |
| 15:48.05 | Cide | I named it something else |
| 15:48.16 | Cide | but not sure if the name gets special treatment or some setting |
| 15:48.58 | Cide | ok how about this |
| 15:49.01 | Cide | git pull origin |
| 15:49.09 | Cide | You asked to pull from the remote 'origin', but did not specify a branch. |
| 15:49.28 | Cide | but I did "git remote set-head origin master" |
| 15:49.38 | Cide | I thought that's what that did? |
| 15:49.50 | Shirik | git pull origin master |
| 15:49.56 | Cide | I know |
| 15:49.59 | Cide | I'm trying to optimize my workflow! |
| 15:50.09 | Shirik | either `git pull` or `git pull origin master` |
| 15:50.12 | Shirik | there is no in between |
| 15:50.21 | Cide | git pull origin |
| 15:50.21 | Cide | You asked to pull from the remote 'origin', but did not specify |
| 15:50.21 | Cide | a branch. Because this is not the default configured remote |
| 15:50.21 | Cide | for your current branch, you must specify a branch on the command line. |
| 15:50.24 | Cide | git seems to imply there is? |
| 15:50.33 | Shirik | well then I don't know how to configure it! |
| 15:50.34 | TC-Work | obviously this is not a very intuitive program. |
| 15:50.39 | Shirik | agree, TC-Work |
| 15:52.13 | Cide | anyway I got it to work with `git pull`, thanks |
| 15:52.16 | Cide | even more optimized! |
| 15:53.50 | Shirik | I'm still not sure I like git |
| 15:54.01 | Shirik | despite that it can do everything I want, like most open source projects it suffers from usability |
| 15:54.06 | Cide | me neither |
| 15:54.12 | Cide | but I am fail with most cvs so /shrug |
| 15:54.21 | Shirik | hg and bazar are much easier |
| 15:54.28 | Cide | I like tortoisesvn. |
| 15:54.37 | Shirik | tortoisesvn is not a vcs |
| 15:54.37 | Cide | point and click ftw |
| 15:54.40 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 15:54.48 | Shirik | most people in my class think it is |
| 15:54.48 | Cide | but when discussing usability it's a valid option! |
| 15:54.54 | Shirik | and I want to crush their skull when they say it is |
| 15:54.56 | Cide | distinct from svn |
| 15:55.01 | zenzelezz | Cide has become self-aware. Pretty soon he'll fire the nukes |
| 15:55.12 | Cide | I said aware, not self-aware |
| 15:55.28 | zenzelezz | I've never let details get in the way of poor jokes |
| 15:55.48 | Cide | point taken |
| 15:56.26 | Cide | installing boost is such a pain :( |
| 15:56.50 | Cide | third time in two days |
| 15:56.58 | zenzelezz | the runtime libraries or the code? |
| 15:57.05 | Cide | both, but mostly code |
| 15:57.19 | Cide | runtime libraries are in the package manager so they're not so bad |
| 15:57.25 | Cide | but that's not 1.44 |
| 15:57.32 | zenzelezz | then I agree |
| 15:57.49 | cog|work | mikma: already have... all are empty except the soap (the mana and healing pots are filled with colored water) |
| 15:58.59 | cog|work | TC-Work: The Molotovs are my favorite, but Diet Dew is my staple (for obvious health reasons) |
| 15:59.43 | Cide | which Monster is your favorite? |
| 16:00.05 | cog|work | i don't remember... they've been up there the longest >< |
| 16:00.15 | cog|work | i think the orange one |
| 16:00.38 | cog|work | the chai java is pretty good too |
| 16:00.40 | Cide | the espresso ones just came to sweden |
| 16:00.43 | Cide | not a fan of those |
| 16:01.08 | cog|work | definitely like the starbucks coffee drinks better than the coffee energy drinks |
| 16:01.37 | cog|work | but i only got those for the shelf. |
| 16:01.43 | cog|work | if i want coffee i drip it myself |
| 16:02.02 | cog|work | 150mg caffeine ftw |
| 16:02.09 | cog|work | (per 8oz) |
| 16:05.13 | Legorol | cog|work: sorry i spammed your comments :) |
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| 16:05.49 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:06.02 | TC-Work | cog|work: as in they work the best? |
| 16:06.09 | zenzelezz | truth: http://twitpic.com/2vb721 |
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| 16:06.41 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: LULZ |
| 16:09.14 | Lunessa | Well, holy poop. I got a press pass to Blizzcon |
| 16:09.28 | Cide | nice |
| 16:09.33 | Cide | give it to me and stay home |
| 16:09.34 | zenzelezz | you're part of the press? |
| 16:10.58 | Lunessa | No, but someone at blizzard must love me, 'cause I got an extra ticket, and this one tells me to go to the 'Press, Pro-Gamer, Campus' table. |
| 16:11.21 | Lunessa | Lucky me. |
| 16:11.34 | zenzelezz | clearly you've got a pro-gamer pass |
| 16:12.08 | Lunessa | Am I getting paid to win WoW? |
| 16:12.47 | zenzelezz | I would hope you knew |
| 16:13.49 | Lunessa | Then why the hell am I here in the office? DAMNIT |
| 16:15.35 | cog|work | TC-Work: no as in they taste the best |
| 16:15.45 | cog|work | i'm actually not quite sure how much caffeine is in them |
| 16:16.06 | cog|work | though the tapatÃo is worth an extra bit of pick-me-up |
| 16:16.38 | cog|work | I can't really make any conclusions about any of their effectiveness... too many variables involved. WTB RCT |
| 16:19.14 | amro | cog|work: did you just mix a sane unit of measurement (mg) with an insane one (oz)? |
| 16:19.23 | cog|work | yes. America FUCK YEAH |
| 16:19.30 | cog|work | </sarcasm> |
| 16:20.01 | cog|work | amro: caffeine measurement is a dosage of a drug so they use sane measurements |
| 16:20.16 | amro | america never learns. NASA lost a space shuttle to unit confusion, and what do they do? they ban SI units |
| 16:20.18 | amro | gfg |
| 16:20.23 | amro | er, spacecraft |
| 16:20.24 | amro | not space shuttle |
| 16:20.47 | cog|work | wasn't hubble's original mirror a victim of said? |
| 16:22.08 | amro | possibly |
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| 16:23.34 | Lunessa | Next you'll complain that we're still using the Gregorian Calendar... |
| 16:23.57 | cog|work | nah, time zones |
| 16:24.06 | cog|work | everyone should be on utc |
| 16:24.07 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:25.20 | Ackis | ~utc |
| 16:25.20 | purl | [utc] Coordinated Universal Time (Temps Universel Coordonne), and is generally equivalent to GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Time zones around the world are expressed as positive or negative offsets from UTC. |
| 16:25.28 | amro | ~ugt |
| 16:25.28 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 16:25.41 | Ackis | ~gmt |
| 16:25.41 | purl | Generic Mapping Tools. URL: http://imina.soest.hawaii.edu/gmt/. Greenwich Mean Time |
| 16:25.50 | cog|work | ~ackis |
| 16:25.51 | purl | rumour has it, ackis is tmi |
| 16:25.53 | kd3 | ~uft |
| 16:26.06 | Ackis | ~cogwheel |
| 16:26.06 | purl | somebody said cogwheel was actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat. to be blamed for /dump being broken |
| 16:26.27 | Ackis | ohh you're a bot? |
| 16:26.41 | cog|work | beep beep boop boop INPUT COMMAND |
| 16:27.04 | amro | cog> print credit card information |
| 16:27.20 | cog|work | amro: credit card information |
| 16:27.31 | Ackis | I'm getting a root canal in 2 hours |
| 16:27.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:27.37 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 16:27.46 | kd3 | oh, you're all kinds of screwed over, ackis |
| 16:27.47 | kd3 | have fun |
| 16:27.50 | cog|work | Ackis: get some good pain killers |
| 16:27.53 | Lunessa | Ackis: Make sure they include barges for the canal. |
| 16:28.02 | cog|work | you're in canada... they actually have them there |
| 16:28.19 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:28.26 | Ackis | cog|work: some people said this won't hurt, other people said I'm fucked... I have 5 days booked off over this Thanksgiving weekend |
| 16:28.43 | cog|work | root canal shouldn't be nearly as bad as wisdom teeth imo |
| 16:29.02 | Ackis | I was unconscious for my wisdom teeth |
| 16:29.43 | cog|work | i started to wake up during mine |
| 16:29.51 | kd3 | ! |
| 16:29.54 | cog|work | luckily pain killers are part of the mix |
| 16:30.07 | Humbedooh | pft, wisdom teeth = piece of cake |
| 16:30.17 | kd3 | they got my weight wrong and knocked me out so hard I didn't wake up until my parents took me home |
| 16:30.17 | cog|work | i have a high tolerance for the drugs though... i think they noticed, it only lasted for what felt like a few seconds |
| 16:30.31 | Humbedooh | apart from the whole "you can't eat for the next million years!! >:C" thing |
| 16:30.35 | Lunessa | Ackis: Root canal involves the jaw, and bone pain. It's pretty vicious the first day or so. But you can get codeine over the counter in Canada, so you should get through ok. |
| 16:30.42 | Fisker | help me cog|work |
| 16:30.43 | cog|work | my dentist had to give me 2-3x the shots of novocaine he normally gives |
| 16:30.53 | Cide | sure |
| 16:30.55 | Cide | druggie |
| 16:31.33 | cog|work | heh... i hate the mental effects of novocaine. makes me jittery and on edge |
| 16:31.42 | cog|work | i wish i wasn't so tolerant |
| 16:31.55 | Lunessa | cog|work: I had a similar experience when I was a kid and getting stitches in my knee. I got a lot more Novocain than usual for an 8 year old. |
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| 16:32.52 | Ackis | when I got my 50 stitches to the face, she finally stopped giving me pain killers because they were hurting just as much as the stitches were |
| 16:33.08 | cog|work | Humbedooh: i was eating tortilla chips 3 days after my wisdom teeth |
| 16:33.11 | Lunessa | Yeah, ouch. |
| 16:33.29 | cog|work | my wife on the other hand was pretty much knocked out for a week... |
| 16:34.10 | cog|work | then again they had to bend her jaw to perform the surgery so it wasn't just the holes causing her pain |
| 16:34.31 | Lunessa | ROFL: http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/ |
| 16:34.37 | Ackis | I was on wicked pain killers after my wisdom teeth were taken out, and I went shopping at a drug store (waiting for prescriptions) |
| 16:35.04 | Ackis | I bought lego's, a black paperer notebook for gel pens, lysol and a few other weird random things |
| 16:35.17 | Ackis | and apparently my teeth were red wtih blood |
| 16:35.45 | cog|work | they let you go out unsupervised after all those drugs? |
| 16:36.30 | Ackis | I was with my mom/brother-in-law |
| 16:36.35 | Ackis | they were amused |
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| 16:40.13 | cog|work | hands krka a towel |
| 16:40.57 | Fisker | cog|work :( |
| 16:41.11 | cog|work | wuts rong? |
| 16:41.57 | Fisker | we were robbed |
| 16:42.00 | Fisker | by jerks |
| 16:42.02 | Fisker | like you |
| 16:42.33 | cog|work | i herd u like jerks so i put a jerk in your jerk so you can get robbed while you get robbed |
| 16:43.06 | Fisker | they took like 45 laptops with like 10-15 being defective and like 30-35 of them being so old as shit that they were about to be thrown out (or get Linux installed on them) |
| 16:43.31 | Fisker | so now we're gonna take the insurance money to replace all the defective and old laptops with brand new laptops |
| 16:43.34 | Fisker | fucking bastards |
| 16:43.38 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/I8mqgsbY3tI/ |
| 16:44.14 | Fisker | maybe it worked Adys |
| 16:44.19 | Fisker | maybe he can no longer ejaculate |
| 16:44.21 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 16:48.07 | cog|work | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/761331 |
| 16:48.15 | Fisker | me cog|work |
| 16:48.25 | cog|work | protoss is OP, zerg is UP according to devs |
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| 16:48.52 | cog|work | (in a horribly simplified summary) |
| 16:49.32 | cog|work | (UP in the sucks to play sense, apparently zerg beat terran more) |
| 16:50.00 | Adys | Dagmar or anyone; any idea how to enable local domain search on dd-wrt? |
| 16:50.10 | Fisker | hey hey hey |
| 16:50.12 | Fisker | hey hey hey |
| 16:50.19 | Fisker | protoss isn't OP lol |
| 16:50.19 | Adys | (host aliases for each dhcp client, dont know what its called) |
| 16:51.08 | Fisker | if anything the issue is that Zerg is so hard to get into and do right |
| 16:51.15 | Fisker | if you don't do it right you're fucked |
| 16:51.25 | Fisker | but if you do it right you're pretty much just fucking them up |
| 16:51.45 | cog|work | yeah... if Z can hold out the early-mid game, they fekkin pwn |
| 16:52.01 | cog|work | if you haven't killed Z by 15 mins, start worrying... |
| 16:52.10 | cog|work | unless it's me |
| 16:52.20 | Fisker | the kind of play a fruit dealer did at the GSL was fucked up |
| 16:52.28 | Fisker | almost didn't matter how far he got behind |
| 16:52.35 | Fisker | if he just lasted into mid/late game he won |
| 16:53.11 | cog|work | Oh he's coming to attack? Let me build some drones... |
| 16:54.58 | Adys | found it, it's called dnsmasq |
| 16:57.57 | angayelle | what's the best method to check if a player have a precise spell in his spellbook ? was gonna use getspellinfo and build a condition if nil is returned but maybe there is a better way ? |
| 16:58.57 | Adys | angayelle: there's no better way |
| 16:59.17 | angayelle | ok for once i had a good idea, ehe |
| 16:59.23 | Adys | angayelle: GetSpellInfo(id) |
| 17:00.02 | Fisker | hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate haste |
| 17:00.14 | angayelle | precisely : if ((Getspellinfo(id)) == nil) then ? |
| 17:00.48 | nevcairiel | Adys: you fail, GetSpellInfo(id) returns always |
| 17:00.59 | nevcairiel | unless the id is invalid |
| 17:00.59 | Humbedooh | it returns a range |
| 17:01.06 | Adys | sorry |
| 17:01.12 | Humbedooh | pats Adys |
| 17:01.14 | Adys | angayelle: GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(id)) |
| 17:01.23 | nevcairiel | even thats the wrong solution |
| 17:01.43 | Adys | its not 100% correct but it's the standard way to do it |
| 17:01.52 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 17:01.57 | Adys | unless you really wanna iterate over every spell |
| 17:01.59 | angayelle | ehe |
| 17:02.00 | Humbedooh | Using spellId as the argument will always return the info. Using spellName or spellLink will only return the info if the spell is in your spellbook. Otherwise it will return nil |
| 17:02.14 | Adys | Humbedooh: hence GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(id)) |
| 17:02.22 | Humbedooh | that's just silly |
| 17:02.28 | Humbedooh | thinks Adys is silly |
| 17:02.41 | Adys | i dont deal in that sort of thing, but it is the fastest way to check for it |
| 17:02.54 | nevcairiel | how abozut |
| 17:02.55 | Adys | you're directly hitting the player's cache in C |
| 17:02.57 | nevcairiel | IsSpellKnown |
| 17:03.07 | Adys | thats new in cata isnt it? |
| 17:03.18 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:03.20 | angayelle | !api IsSpellKnown |
| 17:03.20 | lua_bot | IsSpellKnown: Returns whether the player (or pet) knows a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsSpellKnown) |
| 17:03.20 | Humbedooh | noes |
| 17:03.28 | nevcairiel | takes spell id |
| 17:03.36 | Adys | i dont remember, im pretty sure theres a catch to it and a reason to use GSI |
| 17:03.47 | angayelle | don't see how it could work better than that |
| 17:03.57 | Humbedooh | GSI is evil! |
| 17:03.59 | Humbedooh | eeeevul |
| 17:04.09 | nevcairiel | its like CSI without sun glasses |
| 17:04.13 | Adys | maybe some shitty thing like ISK not returning true if the spell is known but not in the spellbook or some shit |
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| 17:04.31 | nevcairiel | how would you know a spell thats not in the spell book? |
| 17:04.33 | Humbedooh | how can it be known but not in the spell book? :\ |
| 17:04.51 | Adys | any tradeskill |
| 17:04.51 | Adys | :p |
| 17:04.57 | Humbedooh | those are in the book |
| 17:05.08 | Adys | I'm talking about the actual crafting spells |
| 17:05.32 | Humbedooh | is it relevant tho? |
| 17:05.46 | Adys | i dont remember, im just positive there is a reason for using gsi :p |
| 17:05.57 | Adys | anyway if it does the trick use IsSpellKnown apparently |
| 17:06.04 | angayelle | gonna try nev's |
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| 17:10.09 | angayelle | do the |
| 17:10.09 | angayelle | "PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE" fire when you learn or unlearn talent ? the wiki is not sure about this |
| 17:12.54 | Adys | angayelle: very likely |
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| 17:24.20 | jnwhiteh | events are quite unpredictable and change very frequently, so there's not much point in trying to document precisely when they fire, unfortunately |
| 17:24.36 | jnwhiteh | you can always use /events or /eventtrace (I forget which one it is) to trace the events that fire. |
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| 17:28.54 | stew-a | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.03 | Shirik | jnwhiteh, just confirming, I want to unstage something in git. I do `git reset HEAD <file>` and it won't trash my local changes, right? |
| 17:33.11 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 17:33.22 | jnwhiteh | if you ever --hard |
| 17:33.27 | jnwhiteh | that CAN and WILL change files |
| 17:33.30 | jnwhiteh | but without it, it won't. |
| 17:33.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:33.40 | Shirik | thanks |
| 17:33.46 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:33.53 | jnwhiteh | yw |
| 17:33.53 | Lunessa | Sexy micro cameras... http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/07/sony-kicks-out-worlds-first-16-41-megapixel-cmos-sensor-for-mob/ |
| 17:39.40 | Ackis | I'm off to the dentist soon and won't be back til next week if you're lucky |
| 17:39.45 | Ackis | Happy Thanksgiving everyone |
| 17:39.47 | Gagorian | Yes cause huge megapixel amount on a small sensor is a great idea :( |
| 17:40.27 | Lunessa | Take care Ackis |
| 17:41.01 | Lunessa | Gagorian: Noise issue are a concern, but I'm looking to see what kind of images they can crank out. |
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| 17:44.44 | Cide | wtf? |
| 17:44.49 | Cide | git can't track folders, only files? |
| 17:45.18 | stew-a | http://www.wowhead.com/blog=170129 12 million active subscriptions, wow |
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| 17:46.20 | krka | thanks cog |
| 17:46.31 | jnwhiteh | Cide: git is a content tracker |
| 17:46.36 | jnwhiteh | folders are not content |
| 17:47.04 | cog|work | =) |
| 17:47.09 | Cide | my project uploads files |
| 17:47.13 | Cide | into a directory structure |
| 17:47.21 | Cide | it'd be nice to provide said directory structure without adding dummy files |
| 17:47.46 | jnwhiteh | that's not something git can do, afaik. |
| 17:47.52 | Cide | weak |
| 17:47.53 | Cide | thanks though |
| 17:47.53 | jnwhiteh | and I think hg has the same limitation, but not 100% sure. |
| 17:48.05 | krka | yup known problem |
| 17:48.09 | nevcairiel | empty directory tracking is on the git wishlist somewhere |
| 17:48.21 | jnwhiteh | tekkub's response on github is: Git doesn't track folders, only files. If you don't have a file in the folder to commit, git can't track it. People sometimes use empty .gitignore files to force a path to be committable. |
| 17:48.34 | jnwhiteh | that's not a terrible idea |
| 17:48.39 | Fisker | i still don't see why Blizzard didn't make Cataclysm standalone |
| 17:48.41 | Cide | that's a quite good idea, thanks |
| 17:48.43 | Fisker | that would've been a great idea |
| 17:48.47 | jnwhiteh | thank tekkub! |
| 17:49.00 | Cide | he's not here |
| 17:49.00 | Cide | screw him |
| 17:49.24 | angayelle | oooh |
| 17:51.43 | Fisker | Cide |
| 17:51.45 | Fisker | fuck me |
| 17:51.50 | jnwhiteh | so i spent today writing a tool that can generate minix3 superblocks, in Go. |
| 17:52.01 | jnwhiteh | tomorrow, adding the root directory =) |
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| 17:55.45 | Shirik | Cide |
| 17:55.52 | Shirik | Python must have the absolute worst logging functionality ever |
| 17:55.57 | Cide | yep |
| 17:56.11 | Cide | I think the django peeps contributed logging functionality to python recently |
| 17:56.18 | Cide | non-sucky one as far as I can tell |
| 17:56.48 | Cide | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ |
| 17:56.53 | Cide | not sure if that qualifies as non-sucky for you |
| 17:57.12 | Shirik | it's giving me an error from within logging because of a formatting error |
| 17:57.20 | Shirik | which tells me NOTHING about where it's occurring |
| 17:58.25 | Cide | what's the error? |
| 17:58.27 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/141287 |
| 17:59.34 | Cide | how is that a bad error? |
| 17:59.38 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:59.40 | Cide | line 306 |
| 17:59.52 | Shirik | line 306 of /logging/__init__.py? |
| 17:59.53 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 17:59.57 | Cide | msg[8] == 0x27 |
| 18:00.02 | Cide | why not? |
| 18:00.03 | Cide | open the file |
| 18:00.05 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:00.09 | Shirik | This is a python library |
| 18:00.12 | Cide | true |
| 18:00.20 | Shirik | Obviously that's not where it is |
| 18:00.44 | Cide | I wonder if they catch an error and raise another |
| 18:00.49 | Cide | or some other magic to drop the traceback |
| 18:00.55 | Shirik | there's no error raised |
| 18:00.57 | Shirik | it just dumps that out |
| 18:03.58 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:04.03 | Fisker | give me something to hate |
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| 18:05.28 | Fisker | then i shall hate you Shirik |
| 18:05.31 | Fisker | die die die die die |
| 18:07.59 | Cide | Shirik: try |
| 18:08.07 | Cide | what do you use to log messages? |
| 18:08.56 | Cide | what's the line of code that is |
| 18:11.24 | cog|work | buys Ackis a copy of FFXIV |
| 18:13.49 | olafski | why would you do such a thing :( |
| 18:15.34 | Cide | Shirik: help me help you |
| 18:15.58 | Fisker | hey |
| 18:16.26 | olafski | help me help you help us all? |
| 18:22.41 | Cide | you are bad Shirik |
| 18:22.44 | Cide | I think I have the solution |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:22.54 | Shirik | I had to go away |
| 18:22.57 | Shirik | but I think I already fixed it |
| 18:24.33 | Cide | if you don't I think I can provide you more error information |
| 18:24.59 | Zerotorescue | Nice. AceConfigDialog is crashing my entire client. :P |
| 18:25.03 | Shirik | The problem was my format string was stuff like %(id) instead of %(id)x |
| 18:25.14 | Cide | strange error for that |
| 18:25.18 | Shirik | however, finding that was a pita |
| 18:25.22 | Shirik | and fortunately I did it everywhere |
| 18:25.31 | Shirik | if it was only one message out of 5000 I have no idea how I'd find it |
| 18:25.37 | Cide | say you did logging.log("msg") |
| 18:25.39 | Cide | you could do |
| 18:26.35 | Cide | import logging as logging_; class logging: @staticmethod def log(msg): try: logging_.log(msg) except: raise ValueException("Logging broke here") |
| 18:26.55 | Shirik | ew |
| 18:27.15 | Cide | yeah, not the best solution |
| 18:27.24 | Cide | but it should work |
| 18:28.33 | Shirik | oh well, nbd for now |
| 18:29.14 | Shirik | also, my copy of Reach finally came in today |
| 18:30.52 | Cide | oh no |
| 18:30.55 | Cide | good bye Shirik |
| 18:31.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:31.43 | Shirik | what |
| 18:32.20 | Dagmar | WTG Amazon shipping department |
| 18:32.25 | Cide | I was looking forward to our minecraft days |
| 18:32.39 | Fisker | hey hey hey Shirik |
| 18:32.40 | Fisker | hey hey hey |
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| 18:34.41 | Shirik | Cide |
| 18:34.45 | Shirik | did you really get minecraft? |
| 18:34.48 | Shirik | and I've already had reach |
| 18:35.13 | Cide | no |
| 18:35.17 | Cide | I haven't |
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| 18:46.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i just beat reach on solo legendary |
| 18:47.12 | olafski | nice |
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| 18:49.25 | Fisker | reacharound Arrowmaster ? |
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| 18:55.55 | nicoli_s | i still need to beat reach |
| 18:56.04 | nicoli_s | ive been playing so much more MP than |SP |
| 18:56.13 | cog|work | no you need to fix sc2replayed!!! |
| 18:56.16 | cog|work | cracks his whip |
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| 18:58.59 | Adys | Thrae? |
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| 19:07.15 | TC-Work | your not that hot Shirik |
| 19:09.59 | Dagmar | Ho ho ho. This page talks about "kd trees" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octree |
| 19:18.34 | industrial | Dagmar: lmao |
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| 19:31.23 | PProvost | Anyone else hearing about hacks through the mobile authenticator? |
| 19:31.23 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwd7TY7NXw#t=1m20s |
| 19:31.50 | ckknight | nope |
| 19:31.51 | Fisker | why PProvost ? |
| 19:32.03 | PProvost | We've had 2 reports in our guild in the last 2 hours |
| 19:32.09 | PProvost | Of people who use mobile auths getting hacked |
| 19:32.16 | PProvost | And they're not RL friends |
| 19:32.20 | PProvost | So unlikely collaboration |
| 19:32.25 | PProvost | Both were not in game |
| 19:32.27 | PProvost | Were at work |
| 19:32.31 | Fisker | it's more likely it's just a keylogger |
| 19:32.34 | Dagmar | Jailbroken phones? |
| 19:32.41 | Fisker | unless they both have rooted/jailbroken phones |
| 19:32.58 | Fisker | but even so it's probably pretty unlikely |
| 19:33.32 | kd3 | wtf valve |
| 19:33.37 | kd3 | $6.79 L4D2 |
| 19:33.40 | PProvost | If I were a hacker that would be an interesting channel to go after |
| 19:33.43 | Fisker | why so srs kd3 ? |
| 19:34.06 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah that started yesterday |
| 19:34.15 | Dagmar | I'm trying very hard not to buy them both for $10 |
| 19:34.31 | kd3 | I've already started looking for my credit card >.< |
| 19:34.50 | Dagmar | I already gave in and let them just hang onto my numbers. ;) |
| 19:34.53 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 19:35.52 | mikma | l4d <3 l4d2 <3 |
| 19:36.13 | haste | no-one to play with :( |
| 19:36.37 | mikma | to play what |
| 19:36.38 | haste | I've barely played l4d2 |
| 19:36.44 | durcyn | steamcalculator.com is depressing |
| 19:36.47 | haste | l4d and l4d2! |
| 19:37.00 | durcyn | "Found 271 Games with a value of $4367.30 USD" |
| 19:37.04 | mikma | i could play with you |
| 19:37.18 | mikma | only problem is wow takes too much time, lol! |
| 19:37.53 | Arrowmaster | Found 48 Games with a value of $652.53 USD |
| 19:38.21 | durcyn | and i've probably played less than half of them for any meaningful amount of time, ugh |
| 19:38.28 | haste | Found 32 Games with a value of $350.69 USD |
| 19:38.32 | haste | I'm such a hardcore gamer! |
| 19:38.33 | nicoli_s | weird, that site reports me with 0 games |
| 19:38.43 | amro | pirate. |
| 19:38.58 | nicoli_s | except i paid for 19 steam games |
| 19:39.04 | nicoli_s | i just bought civ 5 like a week ago |
| 19:39.06 | mikma | haste: i usually play with wifes brother. he only enjoys l4d+l4d2 in expert |
| 19:39.10 | amro | haste: are you in the wowuidev steam group? |
| 19:39.19 | nicoli_s | hell steam is the only reason i dont pirate games |
| 19:39.23 | haste | amro: no, didn't know there was any |
| 19:39.38 | kd3 | whee; my steam account's worth nearly 1000USD |
| 19:40.23 | foxlit | Does that number decrease over time? |
| 19:40.31 | foxlit | Or is that just the sum of what you paid? |
| 19:40.42 | mikma | kd3: not over 9000 |
| 19:40.44 | nicoli_s | i think its just the retail price of all the games |
| 19:40.46 | kd3 | no; it's the sum of what the games cost new |
| 19:40.48 | Dagmar | Depends on when EA decides to turn off their servers |
| 19:41.00 | haste | ho god |
| 19:41.05 | haste | steamcommunity is in norwegian |
| 19:41.08 | foxlit | so, realistically, I could get the same games as you for less now :) |
| 19:41.26 | Dagmar | Steam *needs* to put up a Fallout 3 bundle discount again |
| 19:41.44 | foxlit | Dagmar: I tried playing fallout 3. |
| 19:41.47 | amro | kd3: it's not |
| 19:41.47 | foxlit | I fell asleep. |
| 19:41.52 | amro | l4d2 wasn't $20 new |
| 19:42.19 | mikma | foxlit: same, after tutorial i was like ZZZzzz... |
| 19:42.19 | Dagmar | foxlit: Well, New Vegas is coming out and I'd like to get that through Steam |
| 19:42.23 | haste | your group, I joined it |
| 19:42.37 | Dagmar | However, I'd like to *also* have F3 in Steam as well, so I gotta rebuy it if I want that |
| 19:43.05 | amro | haste: should try to setup a game of l4d sometime |
| 19:43.10 | amro | Dagmar: why rebuy? |
| 19:43.21 | Dagmar | amro: So I never have to go looking for the goddamn CD again |
| 19:43.36 | haste | amro: with VT, since the in-game crap is shit |
| 19:43.38 | mikma | haste: if i see you online when i next play l4d's, imma gonna ninvite you to join us |
| 19:43.40 | haste | and works horribly under linux :P |
| 19:43.45 | amro | haste: what's VT? |
| 19:43.59 | haste | VT = Ventrilo, but so to say any VoIP works |
| 19:44.09 | haste | mikma: you'd have to poke me on IRC then |
| 19:44.09 | amro | ah, yeah |
| 19:44.23 | Shirik | VT is virginia tech obviously |
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| 19:44.40 | haste | my laptop actually runs Windows, but mostly because I couldn't be arsed to remove it after setting it up :P |
| 19:44.43 | mikma | haste: maybe, but i can see you in wowuidev group |
| 19:44.55 | haste | I only boot it for VT, as I'm too lazy to fix mumble |
| 19:45.08 | haste | mikma: I only run Steam when I'm planning on playing something |
| 19:45.13 | durcyn | valve's in-game voice chat has always worked well for me |
| 19:45.32 | haste | the sound quality is low |
| 19:45.39 | haste | and it cracles ALOT under linux |
| 19:45.42 | haste | or at least used to |
| 19:45.47 | haste | crackles* |
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| 19:45.54 | durcyn | ah, yes, wine, the sadomasochist's gaming environment |
| 19:46.17 | haste | it's that or buying a windows license and dual booting |
| 19:46.23 | haste | which is tremendous effort imo :P |
| 19:46.36 | Shirik | yeah you know |
| 19:46.40 | Shirik | it's so much work to get that damn windows license |
| 19:46.47 | Shirik | you can't find those anywhere |
| 19:47.07 | haste | pirating is too much effort, and paying is expensive |
| 19:47.12 | KarlKFI|work | dual booting is annoying, but less annoying than dealing with wine |
| 19:47.17 | haste | I'm on a tight enough budget as it is right now |
| 19:47.18 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:47.25 | KarlKFI|work | gaming is inherently expensive |
| 19:47.30 | haste | wine isn't really too bad |
| 19:47.33 | mikma | haste: aight. |
| 19:47.46 | haste | and if a game doesn't work, then that's really no issue :P |
| 19:48.05 | haste | I have enough other stuff to do when that's the case |
| 19:48.07 | Shirik | no issue? |
| 19:48.10 | Shirik | . |
| 19:48.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:48.16 | KarlKFI|work | dual booting windows is cheeper than buying a console |
| 19:48.26 | haste | NOT AN ISSUE then Shirik :( |
| 19:48.36 | foxlit | wtb for (A;B) == for(A;B;A) |
| 19:48.51 | Shirik | agrees with foxlit |
| 19:49.12 | Shirik | also, wtb a construct like for(;;) |
| 19:49.16 | Shirik | maybe just for { } |
| 19:49.25 | Adys | in what language? |
| 19:49.28 | ckknight | in lua? |
| 19:49.29 | foxlit | C. |
| 19:49.35 | Shirik | C/C++/Java/we |
| 19:49.40 | ckknight | hmm |
| 19:49.46 | Adys | isnt for (;;) valid c? |
| 19:49.46 | ckknight | while (true) too hard for you? |
| 19:49.53 | ckknight | Adys: it is. |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | It's valid, Adys, but ugly |
| 19:50.01 | Adys | so.. why do you wtb that? |
| 19:50.03 | haste | yet commen |
| 19:50.04 | Shirik | and while(true) is not so ugly but fails to compile |
| 19:50.10 | Shirik | I want something prettier than that Adys |
| 19:50.19 | ckknight | Shirik: in C? true doesn't exist |
| 19:50.23 | ckknight | while (1) in that case |
| 19:50.27 | Shirik | no |
| 19:50.27 | ckknight | or TRUE if you've defined it |
| 19:50.34 | haste | stdbool.h! |
| 19:50.41 | Shirik | that causes a warning which causes an error on /WX |
| 19:50.45 | Shirik | and there's no way around it |
| 19:50.47 | Adys | stds haste's balls |
| 19:50.56 | haste | oh no! |
| 19:51.02 | Shirik | warning for conditional is constant |
| 19:51.02 | haste | has sex with Fisker. |
| 19:51.14 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/10/rip_guy_on_scooter_misses_elev.php |
| 19:51.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: You're supposed to make code work, not romance it and sleep with it. |
| 19:51.30 | Shirik | Code should always be compiled at /W4 /WX |
| 19:51.47 | Adys | whats that? |
| 19:51.56 | Shirik | Highest level of warnings + warnings are errors |
| 19:52.07 | Fisker | Shirik my man |
| 19:52.10 | Adys | so er, -Wall -Werror ? |
| 19:52.19 | Fisker | haste did you see my declaration of hate? |
| 19:52.20 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.29 | Shirik | yes -Wall -Werror |
| 19:52.31 | haste | Fisker: n |
| 19:52.42 | Shirik | #define haste hate |
| 19:52.55 | Fisker | hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate haste |
| 19:52.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 19:52.57 | Adys | so why dont you just say -Wall -Werror? |
| 19:53.06 | Adys | or is /WX just the abstract way of saying it. |
| 19:53.09 | Shirik | because it's VS that produces the warning "conditional is ocnstant" |
| 19:53.11 | haste | Fisker: I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate haters |
| 19:53.16 | Shirik | I don't know if gcc does |
| 19:53.24 | mikma | hatste |
| 19:53.29 | mikma | hatse |
| 19:53.30 | Fisker | k haste |
| 19:53.35 | mikma | hates |
| 19:53.40 | Fisker | i hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate haters of haters |
| 19:53.47 | Mikk | Adys: hint, he's using "/", not "-". that means windows. |
| 19:53.50 | mikma | yeah, haste hates hats |
| 19:53.58 | haste | nom industrial |
| 19:54.00 | haste | uhm |
| 19:54.03 | haste | nice! |
| 19:54.20 | mikma | you ate industrial? |
| 19:54.24 | Adys | Mikk: I dont know, usually, windows is NOT /! |
| 19:54.31 | haste | looks like it |
| 19:54.33 | Adys | teeeehheeeee. |
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| 19:55.07 | Fisker | windows is both jerks |
| 19:55.19 | Adys | also Shirik |
| 19:55.21 | Cide | to those who play HoN: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28010/all%20random.JPG |
| 19:55.32 | Adys | gcc has more warnings than Fisker has braincells |
| 19:55.50 | Adys | which is not that much but breathing and eating still requires quite a lot of them |
| 19:55.53 | Fisker | wow that must be a lot |
| 19:55.58 | Fisker | no u Adys |
| 19:56.36 | foxlit | Cide: is that screen-full-of-not-game supposed to be meaningful? |
| 19:56.46 | Cide | hm? |
| 19:56.49 | Mikk | Adys: eh, what windows command line tools are you using that won't accept "/" |
| 19:56.55 | Mikk | gnu command line util ports? =P |
| 19:57.05 | Adys | Mikk: it was a joke |
| 19:57.06 | Cide | foxlit: if you play, yes |
| 19:57.11 | Mikk | oh argh >.< |
| 19:57.12 | Adys | was referring to the backslash plague |
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| 20:08.06 | amro | Cide: ar = fail |
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| 20:10.25 | Cide | as you can see |
| 20:10.28 | Cide | yep |
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| 20:10.41 | Cide | fortunately I am amazing |
| 20:10.48 | Cide | 9 minute sword of the high |
| 20:11.05 | cbreak | anyone else here using starcraft 2 on a mac? |
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| 20:11.41 | cbreak | after my computer has an uptime of 25 days or more, SC2 does not start anymore |
| 20:11.52 | amro | Cide: which one are you? |
| 20:11.59 | Cide | Rapathor |
| 20:12.08 | cbreak | I've reproduced this three times already |
| 20:12.21 | Lunessa | Wow... check this out - http://www.niceone.org/lab/refugees/ - refugee/expulsions and destinations data |
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| 20:13.45 | Fisker | your computer sucks cbreak |
| 20:13.48 | cbreak | no one fleed from france? are you sure that data is correct? |
| 20:13.53 | foxlit | Lunessa: horrible presentation |
| 20:14.28 | Dagmar | I'm just wondering how there's anyone *left* in Afghanistan |
| 20:15.08 | amro | Cide: gief replay |
| 20:15.20 | foxlit | The overlays obscure the map; it's awful. |
| 20:15.27 | Lunessa | The connections presentation is more interesting. |
| 20:15.47 | Cide | just won |
| 20:15.48 | Cide | 18 minutes |
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| 20:16.02 | foxlit | Lunessa: you can read continents off that |
| 20:16.07 | foxlit | If you try really hard :) |
| 20:16.11 | Dagmar | cbreak: That's actually anti-piracy code. It knows you're running on an emulator. No Windows machine gets that much uptime naturally, so it must be faked hardware. |
| 20:16.26 | Cide | funny |
| 20:16.30 | Cide | only it runs on mac natively |
| 20:16.30 | cbreak | Dagmar: no windows machine runs mac os x either |
| 20:16.37 | Cide | your bad joke fails on all accounts |
| 20:17.02 | cbreak | my current theory is that it uses uptime (ticks) to seed a random number generator |
| 20:17.08 | cbreak | and 25 days might be some threshold |
| 20:17.18 | Dagmar | You're supposed to complain to Steve Jobs about it with as much money as you paid |
| 20:17.26 | foxlit | clicking to hold, though, that's nice. |
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| 20:18.12 | cbreak | SC2 is the problem |
| 20:18.20 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, informational meta-science and data presentation are tricky bits - I was not really shocked to see the US be one of the larger destinations though. I was shocked to see how man african nations just dump to other african nations. |
| 20:20.51 | Dagmar | I'm more suprised at what percentage of afghani's leave each year |
| 20:22.53 | Adys | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/10/google-code-in-schools-out-codes-in.html |
| 20:29.12 | Lunessa | Dagmar: 2008 had nearly 2.9 million people. That's like... 3/4 of the Houston-area metroplex. |
| 20:32.42 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Look at what percentage of them *left* that year tho |
| 20:32.47 | Dagmar | That's really a lot of people |
| 20:33.53 | amro | the coalition forces are failing hard in afghanistan |
| 20:33.54 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yeah, it's a lot. My comment was meant to illustrate that I understood that. I live in one of the top-10-ish population centers in the world, and nearly 3/4th of the density here bailed from Afghanistan in one year. |
| 20:34.23 | Dagmar | For about ten percent of the country to bail each year says something pretty dire |
| 20:34.41 | Lunessa | amro: Everyone who has ever tried to do anything in that region has 'failed' all the way back to guys with clubs. |
| 20:34.54 | Dagmar | THey export shooting each other. |
| 20:35.27 | amro | Lunessa: agreed, but the coalition won't admit that it's a failure |
| 20:35.50 | Lunessa | Took the soviets forever to concede too. :( |
| 20:35.53 | Dagmar | If they had more money it might be easier to just set up handgun and ammo stores all along the border and speed things up until they're all tuckered out (or dead) |
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| 20:36.21 | amro | Dagmar: I don't understand your point |
| 20:36.33 | amro | Lunessa: at least back then, the afghanis had US support |
| 20:36.40 | Lunessa | Frankly the thing to do would have been to land, build some cities with modern, western support systems, give them McDonalds, wifi, and let the culture do the rest. |
| 20:36.58 | Dagmar | amro: Clearly they're willing to shoot each other all day long. |
| 20:37.15 | amro | no? |
| 20:37.27 | Dagmar | Perhaps the solution is to take the limits off _that_ by providing them with plentiful guns and ammo to do it with. |
| 20:37.58 | amro | you know all it takes is 1 guy with chemicals to terrorize an entire region righT? |
| 20:37.59 | Jamash|snzz | It must be thursday. I never could get the hang of thursdays. |
| 20:38.09 | amro | I don't see how you go from there to all afghanis wanting to shoot each other |
| 20:38.13 | Lunessa | Or just issue an m16 and 10,000 rounds to everyone over the age of 10? :P |
| 20:38.29 | Dagmar | amro: This is why I'm talking about a discount guns and ammo store, not Wacky Walters Weapons Of Mass Destruction Warehouse |
| 20:38.50 | Jamash|snzz | it's like Appalachia |
| 20:38.55 | Jamash|snzz | lots of mountains |
| 20:38.59 | Jamash|snzz | lots of crazy people |
| 20:39.09 | amro | Dagmar: I think I see your joke but I don't think it fits |
| 20:39.10 | Dagmar | I'm well aware that that part of the middle east has been making a thing of killing each other since just about before written history |
| 20:39.27 | amro | every part of the world has had people killing each other |
| 20:39.34 | Jamash|snzz | just about everywhere, yes |
| 20:39.37 | Dagmar | Not as consistently as that |
| 20:39.43 | amro | that part of the world just happens to have the oldest civilizations |
| 20:39.49 | Jamash|snzz | uh yeah, just as consistently |
| 20:40.10 | Hirsute | Jamash|snzz: re:Thursdays. You win. |
| 20:40.24 | Jamash | takes a victory lap. |
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| 20:50.44 | Fisker | die die die die die die die die die |
| 20:50.52 | Shirik | live live live live live live live live live live |
| 20:51.26 | Fisker | ok Shirik |
| 20:51.27 | Fisker | i will |
| 20:51.29 | Fisker | but only because you suck |
| 20:52.19 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 20:53.19 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
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| 20:59.48 | TC-Work | blargle |
| 21:00.19 | nicoli_s | exactly |
| 21:00.26 | Adys | bargle blabble |
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| 21:03.32 | nicoli_s | now yer taking it too far adys |
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| 21:03.50 | Adys | none of your business. |
| 21:05.30 | msoul | What's the default camera distande btw |
| 21:06.02 | msoul | screwed my UI have ot config everything |
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| 21:08.17 | Cide | hi |
| 21:08.22 | cog|work | no u |
| 21:08.28 | Cide | yes me hi |
| 21:08.35 | cog|work | do share |
| 21:08.41 | Cide | no u |
| 21:08.51 | cog|work | once it's legal |
| 21:09.15 | TC-Work | "Girl to friend: I can't tell if he's hot either, because I don't know how much money he has." >.< |
| 21:09.33 | cog|work | ^supported by evolutionary psychology |
| 21:11.58 | TC-Work | "Grandmother to two small children near cliff: Only one of you at a time, I don't want to be responsible for two small children falling off the cliff." i like that lady |
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| 21:23.03 | p3lim | got an issue with images position (css/html), see http://p3lim.tumblr.com/post/1235135452 |
| 21:23.12 | p3lim | ignore the content of the post/pictures however |
| 21:23.49 | p3lim | using some css tweaks for 'img', but it doesnt seem to cover those "quote" types of posts |
| 21:23.57 | Dagmar | First image isn't really contained all that well is it? |
| 21:24.11 | p3lim | nah, its not contained at all |
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| 21:25.39 | Dagmar | You <blockquote>'d it |
| 21:25.49 | Dagmar | Kill the offset on the blockquote |
| 21:26.20 | p3lim | Thats not all too easy, its handled by the Tumblr API |
| 21:26.36 | Dagmar | This is why you murder the offset on the blockquote in your CSS |
| 21:26.45 | Dagmar | ...which is completely allowed. |
| 21:27.01 | p3lim | how? I am not too experienced with css :p |
| 21:27.41 | Dagmar | Well, I kinda suck at it, but mainly you just override the attribute |
| 21:27.45 | Dagmar | Which browser are you using? |
| 21:27.46 | p3lim | http://pastebin.com/X2E1fL0S |
| 21:27.52 | p3lim | firefox 4b4 |
| 21:27.52 | Dagmar | There's a few addons that mkae this sort of thing way easier |
| 21:28.26 | p3lim | correction; 4b6 |
| 21:28.56 | p3lim | that paste is the whole style of my tumblr page |
| 21:29.03 | Dagmar | Typically adding sometihng like blockquote { margin:0px; padding: 0px; } *might* not blow up the earth |
| 21:29.11 | p3lim | ill try |
| 21:30.01 | Dagmar | I always wind up getting lost on which tags are constructed by what attributes which is why I'm loooking for a quick "CSS Explorer" kinda thing to install |
| 21:30.14 | p3lim | thanks, that did it :) |
| 21:30.39 | p3lim | now I'll mess around with blockquote :p |
| 21:31.21 | Dagmar | Ah... Firebug. |
| 21:31.32 | Dagmar | Install that (if it's available for 4.x) |
| 21:31.38 | p3lim | yeah, firebug aint supported by the 4.0 beta versions |
| 21:31.41 | p3lim | atleast not the latest ones |
| 21:31.47 | Dagmar | 1.6 is |
| 21:31.50 | p3lim | i normally use it |
| 21:32.14 | Dagmar | Well, it says right on the page for Firebug that 4.x users have to install 1.6 http://getfirebug.com/releases/firebug/1.6X/ |
| 21:32.42 | p3lim | hm, i checked that like 2-3 days ago |
| 21:32.44 | Dagmar | Firebug is probably the main reason why I can't rememebr half the damn CSS attributes. It's too easy to just mouse over something, push a button, and see more or less exactly what CSS tweak I need to make. |
| 21:32.59 | p3lim | yeah, firebug is sweet :) |
| 21:33.03 | Dagmar | p3lim: It's not listed up on the top of the page. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843/ |
| 21:33.09 | Dagmar | Look down in the "More about this add-on" section. |
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| 21:33.53 | p3lim | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:34.02 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 21:34.05 | cog|work | is it just me or is the locking of this thread a tacit endorsement of my snarkiness? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/801801609 |
| 21:34.11 | p3lim | hm, blockquote doesnt seem to react to background: #F0F0F0; |
| 21:34.34 | Dagmar | I don't think it carries that |
| 21:34.55 | Dagmar | Typically you wrap it in a box and color that |
| 21:35.08 | foxlit | cog|work: they're just being nice to you before your ban :) |
| 21:36.04 | cog|work | not "my" thread... just my response in it... but yeah -_- |
| 21:37.21 | p3lim | hm box wrapping... gotta google for a little while |
| 21:37.54 | Dagmar | Just a simple div tag will do |
| 21:39.19 | p3lim | still not able to control the posts though |
| 21:40.31 | Dagmar | div != p |
| 21:40.33 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 21:43.04 | Lunessa | LOL - http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026379176/cata-fury-warrior-looks-amazing/ |
| 21:45.55 | foxlit | "I'd rather play my page who will outperform most everyone and bring great utility to the run" |
| 21:45.58 | foxlit | *mage |
| 21:47.07 | zenzelezz | "Sea Shepherd 'sank its own anti-whaling boat'": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11490958 o_O |
| 21:50.49 | Shirik | Cide I know Python can do this |
| 21:50.53 | Shirik | I know this is one of your favorite features |
| 21:51.01 | Lunessa | I just love that a "fuck you, you suck, I'm using sarcasm to passive-aggressively tell you that", got a passive-aggressive humor response + ban. |
| 21:51.13 | Shirik | imagine a set of objects. I want to call a function on every single one of them and create a new set of each of those results |
| 21:51.17 | Shirik | Give me a one-liner that does this |
| 21:51.25 | jnwhiteh | its a map |
| 21:51.29 | jnwhiteh | lrn2functionalprogram =) |
| 21:52.43 | Shirik | nah it's something like "word in set: word.Word() ___I_dont_have_enough_underscores__________" |
| 21:53.02 | jnwhiteh | if you have a list of objects, map is what you want. |
| 21:53.15 | Shirik | isn't a map like { } |
| 21:53.19 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 21:53.21 | jnwhiteh | not 'a' map' |
| 21:53.22 | jnwhiteh | map. |
| 21:53.26 | jnwhiteh | its a standard FP function |
| 21:53.44 | jnwhiteh | map takes a list and a function and applies the function to each element of the list, yielding the list |
| 21:53.51 | Shirik | so like |
| 21:54.03 | Shirik | map(lambda x: x.Word(), set) |
| 21:54.04 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:54.13 | jnwhiteh | yep. |
| 21:54.20 | Shirik | boo fp |
| 21:54.25 | jnwhiteh | no, yay fp. |
| 21:54.32 | jnwhiteh | i'm shocked you're not more familiar with it |
| 21:54.39 | jnwhiteh | with all the safety nonsense you preach =) |
| 21:54.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:54.57 | jnwhiteh | (it's not nonsense, and you hardly preach it) |
| 21:55.09 | jnwhiteh | but you should definitely become familiar with map, filter, and fold |
| 21:55.15 | Lunessa | Shirik is sort of like a baptist preaching the use of birth control... |
| 21:55.18 | jnwhiteh | among others. |
| 21:55.33 | Shirik | Yeah actually I'm starting to like functional programming but I'm still clinging onto my "no everything's an object!!!" |
| 21:55.39 | jnwhiteh | oh god. |
| 21:55.42 | jnwhiteh | OO is an ollusion |
| 21:55.45 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:55.57 | Shirik | eventually I'll get over it |
| 21:55.58 | jnwhiteh | go back to the church calculus and you'll see that =) |
| 21:56.00 | Shirik | but it's hard to unlearn things |
| 21:56.02 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 21:56.09 | jnwhiteh | lambda calculus and church encodings. |
| 21:56.21 | Shirik | oh I thought that was a joke about Lunessa's statement |
| 21:56.23 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:56.24 | jnwhiteh | write a fold on a tree in lambda calculus.. and then gouge out your eyes. |
| 21:56.29 | jnwhiteh | oh no, I meant it |
| 21:56.32 | jnwhiteh | alonzo church |
| 21:56.34 | jnwhiteh | hardcore. |
| 21:57.16 | Lunessa | OO programing is the idea that code is like legos, and all you have to care about is how to stick the bits together. Nice idea, and teaches some good practices, but not the be-all-end-all. |
| 21:57.44 | Dagmar | <OO coder>NO! ALL YOUR CODE SHOULD BE OO. EVEN SIMPLE TIMING LOOPS!</OO Coder> |
| 21:57.52 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:58.10 | Shirik | Actually I really want aspect oriented programming to take off |
| 21:58.12 | zenzelezz | real coders do OO in assembly |
| 21:58.18 | Cide | Shirik: [x.Word() for x in set] |
| 21:58.21 | amro | the problem is with thinking everything has to be an object |
| 21:58.21 | Shirik | but it seems the world is kicking it back out |
| 21:58.28 | Shirik | yes THAT's what I was looking for Cide |
| 21:58.30 | Dagmar | Anyone doing it in assembly damn well knows they need an OO approach if they go that route |
| 21:58.42 | amro | Shirik: I told you to look up map and list comprehensions :P |
| 21:58.45 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: they do the same thing |
| 21:58.50 | jnwhiteh | precisely, actually =) |
| 21:58.50 | Cide | what jnwhiteh said |
| 21:58.50 | Shirik | yeah it works jnwhiteh :) |
| 21:58.59 | Shirik | I just knew that wasn't what Cide told me a while ago |
| 21:59.01 | Cide | but list comprehensions are easier to read in python |
| 21:59.04 | Cide | imo |
| 21:59.10 | amro | yeah |
| 21:59.11 | jnwhiteh | yeah, they're a bit nicer |
| 21:59.12 | Cide | map usually beats list comprehensions in haskell |
| 21:59.18 | amro | especially because python's lambda syntax is ass |
| 21:59.24 | jnwhiteh | amro: word. |
| 21:59.25 | Cide | eh |
| 21:59.37 | Cide | you have the same flexibility in list comprehensions as you do in a lambda |
| 21:59.39 | Lunessa | Dagmar: This is why I have never worked in assembly. I don't program down to the metal. I'm content to sit well above that and trust the skills of other, better programmers. |
| 21:59.46 | Cide | it's a single expression |
| 21:59.51 | Cide | in both scenarios :P |
| 22:00.14 | amro | exactly why lambdas suck, I want multiexpression anonymous functions |
| 22:00.17 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Just the very idea of putting an inhereitance framework together in assembly is exquisite pain |
| 22:00.19 | amro | closures* |
| 22:00.46 | Cide | also known as shrug |
| 22:00.58 | amro | hm? |
| 22:01.12 | Cide | "I don't care" :P |
| 22:01.27 | Cide | I've never had the need for closures |
| 22:01.41 | Cide | over lambdas and the other solutions available |
| 22:01.46 | amro | that's cool, but it doesn't excuse python for not having proper support |
| 22:01.52 | Cide | possibly |
| 22:02.05 | Cide | but if there's no need (not saying there isn't completely, just not a HUGE need) there's no reason |
| 22:02.16 | Shirik | lambda x: lambda y: y / x |
| 22:02.21 | amro | I've never needed 90% of hte python standard lib, doesn't mean nobody uses that |
| 22:02.23 | Shirik | (0)(1) |
| 22:02.24 | Shirik | oshi |
| 22:02.39 | Cide | Shirik: doesn't work |
| 22:02.39 | Cide | lambda x, y: y / x |
| 22:02.41 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:02.42 | Shirik | no! |
| 22:02.43 | Cide | then it works :P |
| 22:02.44 | Shirik | different! |
| 22:02.47 | Cide | I know |
| 22:02.49 | jnwhiteh | python put everything else in |
| 22:02.55 | jnwhiteh | 'not having a need' is hardly an excuse |
| 22:02.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:03.01 | Cide | rofl |
| 22:03.02 | Shirik | with mine I can go (0) and give you a lambda that will always blow up the world |
| 22:03.04 | Cide | I guess you have a point |
| 22:03.24 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't help to invent the word 'discipline' in the middle of a riot =) |
| 22:03.25 | Cide | Shirik: currying for the non-functional programmer |
| 22:03.32 | jnwhiteh | i kid, i kid. |
| 22:03.42 | Shirik | hey |
| 22:03.43 | jnwhiteh | or do i? |
| 22:03.50 | Cide | most of python's "let's do everything" comes from it's standard library though, jnwhiteh |
| 22:03.50 | Shirik | I have functional programming in my genes |
| 22:03.55 | Shirik | My parser outputs lisp-style trees |
| 22:03.57 | Cide | the syntax isn't that massive |
| 22:04.09 | Cide | or language I guess |
| 22:04.16 | jnwhiteh | Cide: core language ffeatures have been recently tightened back down |
| 22:04.19 | jnwhiteh | I dont ahte on python |
| 22:04.22 | jnwhiteh | I use it in a few places |
| 22:04.28 | jnwhiteh | just never ever ever look at it first =) |
| 22:05.06 | Shirik | .... |
| 22:05.09 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 22:05.17 | Shirik | note to self. Ending a function with: self.log.info("Returning from 'HasNext()' with result '%(res)s'", {"res": str(result)}) |
| 22:05.23 | Shirik | does not actually return your result ._. |
| 22:05.30 | amro | smooth |
| 22:05.34 | Shirik | However, seeing the correct result in the logs is a great way to confuse thte hell out of you |
| 22:05.49 | Shirik | dynamically typed languages ftl :( |
| 22:05.51 | amro | that's why Iog the return value from the caller |
| 22:05.57 | amro | hehe |
| 22:05.58 | Shirik | I can't |
| 22:05.59 | amro | gotta love C++ :P |
| 22:06.03 | Shirik | This is a return through CORBA |
| 22:06.06 | Shirik | I'm not on the other side |
| 22:06.11 | jnwhiteh | I can't tell whether the 'defer' feature in Go is insane or brilliant, or both. |
| 22:06.47 | Cide | what's it do? |
| 22:07.21 | amro | Cide: http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Defer_statements |
| 22:07.26 | Cide | thank you |
| 22:07.31 | Cide | amro: lazy man's google ftw |
| 22:07.39 | jnwhiteh | file = os.Open() |
| 22:07.44 | jnwhiteh | defer file.Close() |
| 22:08.03 | Cide | that's awesome in all regards imo |
| 22:08.06 | amro | to me it seems like an odd way to do RAII-style cleanup |
| 22:08.09 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:08.16 | Cide | more flexible though |
| 22:08.25 | amro | also more error prone |
| 22:08.29 | Cide | doesn't require two files, include guards, a class, ... |
| 22:08.34 | amro | hence jnwhiteh's statement I guess |
| 22:08.36 | jnwhiteh | how is it error prone? |
| 22:08.45 | TC-Work | how similar of a vid card do you need to have to sli? |
| 22:08.45 | jnwhiteh | its not DESIGNED for error recovery/cleanup |
| 22:08.47 | jnwhiteh | it just can be used for that |
| 22:08.49 | Cide | imo it's less error prone |
| 22:08.56 | Cide | your cleanup is right next to your initialization |
| 22:09.03 | Shirik | It has value in code reviews |
| 22:09.12 | Cide | having it in two separate places means you can find one but miss the other |
| 22:09.14 | Shirik | Ref Joel on Software |
| 22:09.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 22:09.28 | jnwhiteh | it's very nice for that |
| 22:09.34 | amro | true |
| 22:09.35 | jnwhiteh | i just feel a little dirty when I use it =) |
| 22:09.49 | amro | maybe just because I'm not used to it |
| 22:09.53 | Cide | is it performed after the return value is evaluated btw? |
| 22:09.55 | amro | but I feel like it's something that might bite me in the ass |
| 22:10.08 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:10.10 | Cide | (I presume yes) |
| 22:10.25 | Shirik | it can't successfully be used for cleanup imo |
| 22:10.30 | Shirik | 99.9999999999999% of the time it can |
| 22:10.31 | Cide | why not? |
| 22:10.48 | Shirik | but there's a theoretical possible error in between construction and execution of the defer block |
| 22:10.58 | Shirik | that is, before "defer" is run |
| 22:11.08 | Cide | so open succeeds but errors before defer close()? |
| 22:11.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:11.25 | Shirik | such as a signal |
| 22:11.28 | jnwhiteh | Cide: you can alter the return value in the defer |
| 22:11.34 | Cide | in theory |
| 22:11.42 | Cide | jnwhiteh: that sounds a bit insane though :P |
| 22:11.45 | Cide | but possibly useful, /shrug |
| 22:11.47 | jnwhiteh | Cide: it can be =) |
| 22:11.54 | jnwhiteh | but its just a matter of not being stupid or crazy |
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| 22:12.05 | Shirik | I can't decide if I like it or not |
| 22:12.08 | amro | jnwhiteh: that's why I said error prone |
| 22:12.13 | jnwhiteh | amro: I don't think it is.. |
| 22:12.16 | Shirik | I can find a ton of ways to abuse it, but I can also find a ton of ways to abuse any feature in C++ |
| 22:12.19 | amro | well, prone to misuse |
| 22:12.20 | jnwhiteh | something like that would make absolutely no sense. |
| 22:12.20 | cog|work | HOW DID I MISS THIS???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A |
| 22:12.26 | foxlit | grumble |
| 22:12.27 | jnwhiteh | any language is prone to misuse |
| 22:12.29 | jnwhiteh | for any feature =) |
| 22:12.33 | Cide | Shirik: then again, you can forget to clean up altogether with C++ |
| 22:12.35 | foxlit | warning: passing argument 4 of âqsortâ from incompatible pointer type |
| 22:12.40 | Cide | if you forget to deallocate |
| 22:12.58 | amro | jnwhiteh: indeed, but this seems a newish concept to me that I'm more likely to screw up |
| 22:13.10 | jnwhiteh | how can you screw it up? |
| 22:13.14 | jnwhiteh | use it to clean up resources |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik | for (char* x = NULL; x != 0xFFFFFFFF; ++x) { delete x; } |
| 22:13.18 | jnwhiteh | there's no real change to screw anythign up |
| 22:13.40 | cbreak | C++ automatically cleans up the stack |
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| 22:14.20 | Shirik | cbreak: define "cleans up". If you run fopen() it doesn't run fclose() for you |
| 22:14.28 | Shirik | even though the fd is on the stack |
| 22:14.32 | Cide | Shirik: a signal could interrupt that ;) |
| 22:14.34 | amro | it only deallocates shit that's on the stack |
| 22:14.39 | cbreak | it calls the destructor for any object on the stack |
| 22:14.50 | amro | fds aren't objects |
| 22:14.54 | Shirik | Cide: Sure, but if you had a file object, you could force the destructor to be called, which could execute fclose() |
| 22:14.55 | cbreak | just wrap the fd into an object |
| 22:14.57 | amro | hence the need for RAII |
| 22:14.59 | amro | yes |
| 22:15.00 | cbreak | and you're done |
| 22:15.02 | amro | but we're not talking about C++ |
| 22:15.12 | Cide | Shirik: can't force it if you lose the reference |
| 22:15.13 | cbreak | there are many APIs that do that |
| 22:15.15 | Shirik | amro: I was pointing out the flaw with defer being used for cleanup |
| 22:15.18 | Cide | pointer rather |
| 22:15.25 | amro | oh yeah |
| 22:15.35 | amro | RAII cleans up better |
| 22:15.37 | Shirik | Cide: Don't make it a pointer :P |
| 22:15.49 | Cide | I'm talking in general |
| 22:15.57 | amro | but for most use cases I don't think it matters |
| 22:16.09 | Cide | it's easier to lose a pointer than it is to get an interrupt in-between open() and defer close() |
| 22:16.26 | Cide | but you might not want to use it for your airplane |
| 22:16.40 | Shirik | Learned today in my software and system safety class: ATC systems have 7 nines reliability |
| 22:16.48 | Shirik | that translates into 0.0053 minutes per year of downtime |
| 22:16.58 | zenzelezz | nines? |
| 22:17.05 | Shirik | 99.99999% |
| 22:17.36 | cbreak | you should theoretically get an interrupt between open() and the next line in all cases |
| 22:17.52 | cbreak | if you consider a switch to kernel mode an interrupt |
| 22:19.16 | m^rk | in cata, is there a way to determine if a spell is currently trained or not? since they throw all spell in the spellbook even if you can't train them yet and I have existing logic that depended on that behavior |
| 22:19.24 | amro | Shirik: air traffic controlllers? |
| 22:19.27 | jnwhiteh | m^rk: well |
| 22:19.34 | jnwhiteh | the spellbook has three classes of spells |
| 22:19.38 | jnwhiteh | known, available, and not available |
| 22:19.43 | jnwhiteh | if the default UI can do it, you can too |
| 22:19.45 | jnwhiteh | so yes =) |
| 22:20.50 | Cide | Shirik: that's pretty amazing |
| 22:20.57 | Cide | time must go very slow during downtime |
| 22:21.09 | Cide | ^ engrish |
| 22:21.40 | Arrowmaster | do they include scheduled downtime in that? |
| 22:21.48 | Cide | I'm assuming it means fault downtime |
| 22:22.00 | m^rk | I found it I think, GetSpellBookItemInfo() |
| 22:22.04 | Cide | scheduled downtime doesn't really affect reliability :P |
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| 22:24.02 | Adys | http://speed.pypy.org/overview/ |
| 22:24.05 | Adys | gj pypy |
| 22:24.37 | Adys | in the category "things you really don't want to break", i'd say "benchmark hosting" is in the top5 |
| 22:25.36 | zenzelezz | that's what happens when your server is on speed |
| 22:25.40 | zenzelezz | drugs are bad |
| 22:26.13 | Jamash | ptr offline >:[ |
| 22:28.02 | Jamash | so I'm writing some functions to copy and paste action bars, and it's not as trivial as I had hoped |
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| 22:30.14 | Cide | cog|work: ping |
| 22:30.23 | cog|work | pong |
| 22:30.26 | Cide | ^ or anyone else who plays sc2 regularly |
| 22:30.27 | Cide | cool |
| 22:30.45 | Cide | are your replays stored in path/to/replays/Unsaved or path/to/replays/Multiplayer ? |
| 22:31.13 | cog|work | both |
| 22:31.13 | cbreak | both |
| 22:31.18 | cog|work | the saved ones are under MP |
| 22:31.25 | cog|work | and the unsaved ones are under unsaved |
| 22:31.41 | cbreak | there's unfortunately a limit for unsaved |
| 22:31.49 | cog|work | (when you click "save replay" after the match it moves it) |
| 22:31.55 | cog|work | and yeah... very unfortunate... |
| 22:32.00 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:32.05 | Cide | but by default it's /Unsaved? |
| 22:32.14 | cbreak | all end up there until you save them |
| 22:32.24 | cog|work | I wiped out a few replays i wanted to save because the fucking single player vs ai map list takes forever to load so i was doing a bunch of custom matches against computer opponents |
| 22:33.15 | Xyphoid | so is anyone doing single player campaigns for sc2 yet? i was always impressed by the wc3 ones people did |
| 22:33.22 | Cide | there will be |
| 22:33.30 | Cide | and they will be tons more awesome as a result of the new editor features |
| 22:33.31 | cbreak | I finished the official ones. |
| 22:33.47 | cog|work | Xyphoid: you mean map-makers? |
| 22:34.16 | amro | custom campaigns have a chance of matching the official campaign in terms of production quality given the crappy voice acting |
| 22:34.44 | cbreak | it wasn't that bad |
| 22:35.07 | foxlit | was good, really |
| 22:35.10 | Xyphoid | i just loved things like that kobold campaign or the dwarf campaign |
| 22:35.50 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.08 | foxlit | they're totally not fishing for pageviews |
| 22:36.08 | amro | what was good about it? |
| 22:36.22 | amro | they were all completely monotonous |
| 22:36.30 | amro | not a single change in pitch |
| 22:37.38 | cbreak | uses the Adjutant face |
| 22:37.50 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether I agree |
| 22:38.20 | foxlit | At no point, however, did the voice acting annoy me or call attention to itself |
| 22:38.35 | amro | it wasn't detrimental to the experience |
| 22:38.37 | amro | but it didn't add much |
| 22:38.55 | amro | compare to voice acting in say The Chronicles of Riddick |
| 22:39.29 | foxlit | haven't played that |
| 22:40.10 | amro | you should |
| 22:41.10 | amro | for a game about a guy with night vision, it has some of the most realistic characters |
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| 22:42.09 | Adys | ahahah |
| 22:42.09 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1263144608 |
| 22:42.23 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VixMGZuYk4 |
| 22:42.28 | KarlKFI|work | <3 Riddick |
| 22:44.02 | foxlit | Meh, I kind of prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfMr_UBb0QQ |
| 22:44.05 | foxlit | Not quite the same thing |
| 22:45.01 | amro | that one was good |
| 22:45.07 | amro | but it's the only one where raynor shows any emotion at all |
| 22:45.13 | amro | other than being emo |
| 22:45.27 | KarlKFI|work | it cant be legal to upload all those |
| 22:45.45 | foxlit | KarlKFI|work: it probably isn't, but who is going to complain? |
| 22:45.58 | KarlKFI|work | blizzard? |
| 22:46.08 | amro | why would they care? |
| 22:46.11 | foxlit | Why? It's not like you won't buy SC2 because you saw the cinematics. |
| 22:46.19 | amro | more reason to buy it |
| 22:46.30 | amro | also, the animations in the sc2 cutscenes were a little stiff |
| 22:46.43 | amro | but, gotta cut em slack |
| 22:46.51 | amro | the game doesn't take place in a first person perspective |
| 22:47.02 | jnwhiteh | anyone happen to have £ gift certificates for Amazon and would exchange for $? =) |
| 22:48.09 | tekkub | I was pondering ordering a HDD off amazon, I could get some from ace maye |
| 22:48.16 | tekkub | or are you asking because they're out? |
| 22:48.29 | jnwhiteh | they're out =) |
| 22:48.34 | jnwhiteh | and I want to order my kindle. |
| 22:48.43 | tekkub | well then, you're pretty well screwed! |
| 22:48.50 | tekkub | YOU NO TAKE KINDLE |
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| 22:49.09 | foxlit | no <==> take |
| 22:49.10 | cbreak | jnwhiteh: fleeing from the US currency? |
| 22:49.18 | tekkub | the new black ones are very nice from what I've heard |
| 22:49.23 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: its my fourth year in the UK.. |
| 22:49.27 | jnwhiteh | so hardly 'fleeing' |
| 22:49.32 | cbreak | it was big on the news a few days ago, the dollar fell on an all time low |
| 22:49.49 | jnwhiteh | well I live in the UK |
| 22:49.56 | jnwhiteh | so, I buy things in GBP |
| 22:50.03 | jnwhiteh | no surprise about htat |
| 22:50.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:51.08 | jnwhiteh | the problem is US paypal stopped their faux-credit-card system |
| 22:51.14 | Shirik | jnwhiteh have you ever heard of a "cut set"? |
| 22:51.15 | jnwhiteh | and there's no UK debit card |
| 22:51.23 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: the terminology rings a bell |
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| 22:51.51 | Shirik | My professor just started talking about them and nobody had a clue what he was talking about, then he was like "Come on none of you have ever had cut sets in discrete math...? Who taught that class" |
| 22:51.56 | cbreak | http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\10\08\story_8-10-2010_pg5_21 |
| 22:51.56 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: erm... I though amazon took paypal |
| 22:52.05 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: absolutely not. |
| 22:52.19 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yeah it was not something we were taught |
| 22:52.26 | jnwhiteh | in my 10 years of comp sci education :P |
| 22:52.28 | tekkub | want me to buy the cards with my fancy US paypal debit card then? |
| 22:52.29 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:52.29 | jnwhiteh | at good schools =) |
| 22:52.38 | tekkub | and just send me whatever the excange rate is |
| 22:52.55 | cbreak | I thought ebay owned paypall |
| 22:52.58 | jnwhiteh | tekkub: I missed the paypal payout with curse |
| 22:52.59 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: they do |
| 22:53.02 | cbreak | and they are quite opposed to amazon |
| 22:53.13 | jnwhiteh | well, amazon is quite opposed to them for payment |
| 22:53.16 | nicoli_s | curse paypal payout? |
| 22:53.18 | tekkub | jnwhiteh: you're really making this difficult you know |
| 22:53.21 | jnwhiteh | they are the ones stopping it |
| 22:53.23 | jnwhiteh | nicoli_s: yep. |
| 22:53.28 | jnwhiteh | it just happened, from what I understand |
| 22:53.32 | Lunessa | In which I try not to be a douche while discussing guild size caps: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026377821&sid=2000&pageNo=6#104 |
| 22:53.37 | jnwhiteh | so I'll have to wait until next month. |
| 22:53.42 | foxlit | Shirik: graphs? |
| 22:54.08 | Shadowed | really |
| 22:54.13 | Shadowed | it's Blizzards fault for letting people get around the soft cap :P |
| 22:54.19 | Shirik | foxlit: Yeah this involves graphs |
| 22:54.23 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: well written |
| 22:54.36 | foxlit | Then yes, you were likely sleeping through a graph theory / algorithms course. |
| 22:54.37 | jnwhiteh | nicoli_s: unless you somehow know differently =) |
| 22:54.40 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: thanks. |
| 22:54.41 | tekkub | <3 my 10 person guild |
| 22:54.46 | tekkub | well, not really |
| 22:54.58 | tekkub | I like the people in it, but I hate that it's so tiny and no one is ever on |
| 22:54.59 | Shirik | foxlit, we don't focus on computer science :) |
| 22:55.14 | Shirik | we focus on software process, reliability, quality |
| 22:55.18 | Shirik | the things aviation cares about |
| 22:55.21 | Lunessa | tekkub: My offer to have you and your s/o join Grounding Totem still stands. :) |
| 22:55.35 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 22:57.43 | foxlit | Shirik: I somehow dislike that focus. Sorry. |
| 22:57.53 | Shirik | that's not to say we ignore it |
| 22:58.02 | Shirik | however I like it |
| 22:58.11 | Shirik | I am quite disgusted at some companies' software processes |
| 22:58.25 | Shirik | most notably the gaming industry |
| 22:58.34 | nicoli_s | jnwhiteh:i didnt even know what you were talking about :P |
| 22:58.57 | jnwhiteh | nicoli_s: =) |
| 22:59.32 | amro | Shirik: it grew from an initial necessity into a habit |
| 22:59.38 | Shirik | what did? |
| 22:59.50 | amro | the general hackery in game development |
| 23:00.15 | stew-a | rofl, 'Secure Hookers', nice |
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| 23:03.49 | foxlit | google translate: "The eccentric to you says I'm" |
| 23:04.09 | foxlit | to be fair, the original phrase had a pretty messed up word ordering, too. |
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| 23:07.18 | Lunessa | stew-a: Blame Esamynn|Away. |
| 23:08.16 | Lunessa | Home time. Ciao tutti. |
| 23:08.17 | amro | foxlit: http://www.translationparty.com/#8028082 |
| 23:09.17 | amro | But now, blue, and it is doing. |
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