| 00:00.11 | Gnarfoz | true, but I also doubt I'll achieve the speed you seem to be able of |
| 00:01.28 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
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| 00:01.42 | Gnarfoz | this makes the entire undertaking that much more complicated |
| 00:02.08 | Gnarfoz | some blood elf paladin got 2 of 3 possible RF achievements last time, which left me with RF Draenei :F |
| 00:02.28 | Gnarfoz | if that's gone, if the realm first 80 is a paladin, I'm boned :p |
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| 00:06.27 | Kraps | i'm bored of live and i dont want to spoil beta, i'm bored |
| 00:06.57 | Mirrormn | let's go skiing |
| 00:07.32 | Kraps | its 8 pm |
| 00:07.52 | Mirrormn | night skiing, more fun |
| 00:08.23 | Maldivia | lol - just looked at my lvl 85 screenshot, and it reads "Zhar'gak has reached [Level 85]!" |
| 00:08.43 | Maldivia | (and that would be the name of my demon) |
| 00:08.48 | Gnarfoz | interesting |
| 00:08.49 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 00:09.05 | Gnarfoz | I think I'll need a trial account to check on horde leveling progress ;D |
| 00:09.18 | Maldivia | used all 10 slots? |
| 00:09.23 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 00:09.30 | Maldivia | then why need a trial? |
| 00:09.34 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 00:09.42 | Gnarfoz | checking on my main account would require logging out, wouldn't it |
| 00:09.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:10.13 | Gnarfoz | that way I'll just check from my netbook |
| 00:10.37 | Maldivia | just be on im/vent/ts/skype/whatever with someone on horde |
| 00:11.10 | Mirrormn | if you happen to be on Dragonmaw-US... |
| 00:11.19 | Gnarfoz | EU-something. |
| 00:11.19 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 00:12.24 | SqueeG | mm |
| 00:12.37 | Gnarfoz | and nah, I'll be on our guild TS, and we don't really have many horde contacts^^ |
| 00:12.52 | SqueeG | is there something i can just feed a list of words i want replace to |
| 00:13.05 | Gnarfoz | context? |
| 00:13.05 | Mirrormn | I've heard EU realms aren't even going to have realm first achievements since they're so obviously inferior to other realms |
| 00:13.07 | SqueeG | and it replaces them with another list of words |
| 00:13.24 | Gnarfoz | Mirrormn: nah, we only have World Firsts instead. |
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| 00:13.29 | Mirrormn | hehe |
| 00:14.07 | Kraps | lunessa |
| 00:14.43 | SqueeG | like "id", "data", "sp" would be one list.... ["id"], ["data"], ["sp"] would be the replacements |
| 00:15.16 | Gnarfoz | context, SqueeG - where are you trying to do this |
| 00:15.27 | SqueeG | notepad++ |
| 00:15.49 | Gnarfoz | just do it one after each other with global replace? |
| 00:15.53 | SqueeG | i do |
| 00:15.58 | SqueeG | it's just getting redious |
| 00:16.14 | Mirrormn | maybe if you had a text editor with a regexp-based replacement function |
| 00:16.19 | Gnarfoz | well, for everything else, there's sed |
| 00:16.25 | Gnarfoz | and np++ can do regex, too |
| 00:16.26 | SqueeG | regex hurts mah brain! |
| 00:16.30 | SqueeG | it can |
| 00:16.36 | SqueeG | i use it for simple stuff |
| 00:17.31 | Mirrormn | sed is linux and notepad++ is windows, so... |
| 00:18.16 | Maldivia | sed works fine on Win |
| 00:18.50 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/funny-4003-the-pirate-bay/?wa_user1=5&wa_user2=topic&wa_user3=topic&wa_user4=topics |
| 00:21.09 | Thunder_Child | Mirrormn: AUS is even so much worse than EU that the first char of each class that gets a 'world first' gets deleted |
| 00:21.55 | Mirrormn | I didn't even know australians had their own servers =O |
| 00:22.19 | Thunder_Child | they get the ass end of everything |
| 00:22.46 | Thunder_Child | s/everything/wow/ |
| 00:23.11 | Mirrormn | s/wow/everything |
| 00:24.50 | Gnarfoz | Mirrormn: they don't get their own |
| 00:25.12 | Mirrormn | so this http://erkie.github.com/ is essentially the best thing ever created by mankind |
| 00:25.38 | Gnarfoz | and it shows how bad Firefox' JS performance is |
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| 00:38.13 | Jerub | Mirrormn: *nod* |
| 00:38.38 | Mirrormn | *nod* |
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| 00:47.43 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: you said you had a standard room at the candy cane inn reserved right? |
| 01:02.27 | Kraps | Christian rock isnt necessarily Christian, wonder why its called that |
| 01:02.31 | NeoTron | http://static.wowace.com/content/images/25/919/runebars_minimal.png whee |
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| 01:10.11 | tem | Mirrormn, the aussie servers are in the Oceanic category, but they're still technically US servers |
| 01:10.33 | Jerub | 'technically' meaning we have to deal with speed of light round trip issues for USA latency. |
| 01:10.38 | tem | (people on US servers and people on Oceanic servers can freely transfer charcters between the two) |
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| 01:18.20 | Mirrormn | that's what I thought |
| 01:28.36 | SqueeG | what's a regex pattern to find a word surrounded by parentheses |
| 01:29.05 | SqueeG | everything i've tried is too greedy -.- |
| 01:29.59 | Xyphoid | \([^\)]+\) or something |
| 01:30.21 | Arrowmaster | "%(.-%)" |
| 01:30.31 | Arrowmaster | or do you really want just 'word'? |
| 01:31.27 | Arrowmaster | "%((.-)%)" if you dont want the parentheses, "(%(.-%))" if you do |
| 01:31.29 | SqueeG | was hoping to capture the parentheses and word |
| 01:32.04 | SqueeG | warg! why is np++ being so fucking picky >.< |
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| 01:32.22 | Arrowmaster | oh real regex |
| 01:32.25 | Arrowmaster | not lua pattern |
| 01:34.49 | SqueeG | i suppose |
| 01:35.02 | SqueeG | although that could still come in handy :) so thank you for that xD |
| 01:37.47 | Humbedooh | ~/(\(.-\))/ then, same thing ;> |
| 01:43.27 | SqueeG | holy crap humbedooh xD what is that |
| 01:44.06 | Humbedooh | regex :\ |
| 01:45.23 | Humbedooh | though, for np++ you'd wanna use \([^\)]*\) |
| 01:47.25 | SqueeG | D: doesn't work |
| 01:47.29 | SqueeG | ./headdesk |
| 01:47.36 | Humbedooh | \(.+\) then |
| 01:47.43 | Humbedooh | that's the silliest way to find it ;> |
| 01:47.54 | Humbedooh | are you using regex or just extended? |
| 01:48.46 | SqueeG | regex |
| 01:49.16 | Xyphoid | in what context |
| 01:49.21 | Xyphoid | you might need to be escaping things |
| 01:50.10 | SqueeG | notepad++ |
| 01:50.32 | SqueeG | just trying to find words wrapped in parentheses so i can replace them with brackets and parentheses |
| 01:50.55 | SqueeG | and most of the shit *i've* tried is too greedy |
| 01:51.00 | Humbedooh | are you using find or replace? ;> |
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| 01:51.14 | SqueeG | find/replace :p |
| 01:51.34 | SqueeG | i need to find something successfully first, before i'll replace it xD |
| 01:51.38 | Xyphoid | well, start with \(.*\) |
| 01:51.40 | wordman | I hate regex with a passion |
| 01:51.42 | Xyphoid | should be massively greedy |
| 01:51.46 | Xyphoid | does that work |
| 01:51.49 | Humbedooh | \(.+\) should at least find something |
| 01:51.59 | Humbedooh | but it can be wonky if you have parens with parens inside them |
| 01:52.14 | Humbedooh | you can't really use regex for that part |
| 01:52.34 | SqueeG | are you escaping the () ? |
| 01:52.41 | Humbedooh | yes |
| 01:52.45 | SqueeG | ah |
| 01:52.51 | SqueeG | that's why it didn't work, i'm stupid |
| 01:52.51 | Humbedooh | otherwise it'll be a capture |
| 01:53.40 | SqueeG | HOLY CRAP |
| 01:53.50 | Humbedooh | and then you wanna replace it with [\1] |
| 01:53.54 | SqueeG | don't let me talk past ... ever |
| 01:54.09 | SqueeG | i meant quotations >.< |
| 01:54.20 | Humbedooh | well "\1" then |
| 01:54.20 | SqueeG | her derp |
| 01:54.27 | Humbedooh | ooh |
| 01:54.36 | Humbedooh | you're doing "text" -> L["text"] ? ;> |
| 01:55.13 | SqueeG | \"[^\"]*\" <==== that totally works |
| 01:55.19 | SqueeG | and i apologize for being a tard |
| 01:55.32 | SqueeG | yea.... with out the localization |
| 01:55.38 | Humbedooh | ^^ |
| 01:56.37 | SqueeG | hm |
| 01:56.45 | SqueeG | \1 isn't leaving text behind |
| 01:56.45 | SqueeG | xD |
| 01:57.05 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 01:57.09 | Humbedooh | you need to capture it first |
| 01:57.18 | Humbedooh | search for (\"[^\"]*\") |
| 01:57.25 | Humbedooh | and then replace with [\1] |
| 01:57.30 | Humbedooh | remember the () |
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| 01:58.03 | SqueeG | woo! thanks xD |
| 01:58.39 | Humbedooh | so...what's the SqueeG doing? |
| 01:59.00 | SqueeG | >.> converting stuff to teach myself... things |
| 01:59.30 | Humbedooh | aha! SquishBar! |
| 01:59.32 | Jerub | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1941707 |
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| 02:01.04 | SqueeG | lol |
| 02:01.13 | SqueeG | nah, squishbar is something i fuck with as need |
| 02:01.28 | SqueeG | i'm making a check list of every quest in the game |
| 02:01.37 | SqueeG | via wowhead and tourguide >.> |
| 02:01.52 | SqueeG | well... horde-able quests |
| 02:05.12 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 02:07.10 | SqueeG | I want loremaster :p |
| 02:07.19 | SqueeG | and i don't feel like guessing at what i missed |
| 02:07.56 | SqueeG | plus, it gives me a chance to learn |
| 02:08.10 | Mirrormn | you better use some kind of dynamic loading cause trying to create thousands of UI elements at once will probably not work very well |
| 02:08.32 | SqueeG | tourguide :p |
| 02:12.43 | SqueeG | it's not that hard |
| 02:12.48 | SqueeG | and it doesn't actually take that long |
| 02:13.39 | Cairenn | Jamash: It's on hold until I can talk to Blizz |
| 02:13.48 | Jamash | mmk |
| 02:15.19 | SqueeG | =o talk to blizz |
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| 02:35.23 | Mirrormn | mmm, 60 day time card for $17 |
| 02:37.41 | |Jelly| | oo |
| 02:37.51 | Mirrormn | sold out already :P |
| 02:38.13 | Thunder_Child | time cards seem like a hassle |
| 02:38.26 | |Jelly| | I get them for $24 at work but meh |
| 02:39.02 | |Jelly| | My discount is a bigger hassle than it's worth to save like $6 every two months. lol |
| 02:39.48 | Thunder_Child | i dont know why they dont offer more time |
| 02:39.59 | Thunder_Child | i mean, do they have 6 month cards? |
| 02:40.31 | |Jelly| | not that I know of |
| 02:43.23 | Humbedooh | I require testers!! >:C |
| 02:43.40 | |Jelly| | for? |
| 02:43.50 | Humbedooh | LibMouseGestures :> |
| 02:44.04 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libmousegestures/ |
| 02:44.15 | Humbedooh | just wanna check if the /mgtest records gestures properly |
| 02:46.45 | SqueeG | is this for your doodlepad? |
| 02:47.12 | Humbedooh | among other things ye |
| 02:47.29 | Humbedooh | figured I might as well turn it into a library so others can use it for...whatever |
| 02:49.52 | SqueeG | ehm |
| 02:49.59 | SqueeG | and how do we tell if it worked? |
| 02:50.12 | NeoTron | is there no way with the threat API to see how much threat I, as a tank, has to the 2nd highest threat generator? |
| 02:50.22 | Humbedooh | well you download it as if it was an addon, and then you run /mgtest |
| 02:50.24 | NeoTron | without keeping track of all targets that is |
| 02:50.29 | Humbedooh | and you draw something on your screen |
| 02:50.35 | Humbedooh | like a circle or a line |
| 02:50.44 | SqueeG | i should probably unbind my left mouse click then |
| 02:50.56 | SqueeG | because all it does is move my camera around :P |
| 02:51.15 | Humbedooh | hrmm ;< |
| 02:51.35 | Humbedooh | you using cata or wotlk? |
| 02:51.37 | SqueeG | is that an issue? |
| 02:51.46 | SqueeG | oh, wotlk, did you need beta testers? |
| 02:52.09 | Humbedooh | hm lemme try something |
| 02:52.54 | Humbedooh | try downloading the revision I just committed and try that one |
| 02:53.31 | Humbedooh | it would seem that cata and wotlk treat mouse captures differently, so I've re-enabled the forced EnableMouse thingymajig on the recorder frame just for you :> |
| 02:54.03 | SqueeG | haha thanks |
| 02:54.22 | Humbedooh | it's not a real issue per se, but only when trying to capture from UIParent |
| 02:54.42 | Humbedooh | if I used the recorder on any other frame, it wouldn't be any problem regardless of what version of WoW you use |
| 02:55.19 | SqueeG | so write a quick front end? |
| 02:55.38 | SqueeG | i see little green blocks |
| 02:55.42 | Humbedooh | whee |
| 02:55.51 | Humbedooh | that's the optional mouse trail on the recorder |
| 02:55.52 | SqueeG | i drew a circle clockwise |
| 02:56.13 | SqueeG | clever |
| 02:56.30 | Humbedooh | I'm sure someone can figure out a use for it |
| 02:56.31 | SqueeG | it even detects 'curves' |
| 02:56.44 | Humbedooh | to some degree ye |
| 02:56.58 | Jamash | make a version you can use to draw on the screen like in sports commentary |
| 02:57.05 | Jamash | and share it with your raid |
| 02:57.17 | Humbedooh | well that's what I'm using it for :) |
| 02:57.26 | Humbedooh | for drawing stuff in Rendermon |
| 02:57.26 | Jamash | kewl |
| 02:58.21 | Humbedooh | you can use it for both capturing gestures or for selecting items, placing stuff, making rectangles, circles etc |
| 02:59.05 | Humbedooh | you could fx. record a gesture where you draw a circle around some stuff with your mouse, and it'd tell you which things was inside that circle |
| 02:59.39 | Humbedooh | or you could do a basic rectangular selection of things like in starcraft etc |
| 02:59.40 | SqueeG | i like your style humbedooh :p |
| 03:00.03 | Humbedooh | that makes...one of us then, SqueeG! |
| 03:00.09 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:00.19 | SqueeG | ...mmm...mini-cupcaks |
| 03:01.48 | Thunder_Child | do that so someone can come up with a cever voice overlay for a fraps vid that sounds just like a sports commentator. "as you can see bob, when blorb got down to the 5 yard range i though the whole raid was going to wipe." |
| 03:01.55 | Humbedooh | in theory (as in, I haven't bothered to check it), you could also use it for stuff like setting raid target icons on mobs |
| 03:02.03 | Thunder_Child | thought* |
| 03:02.09 | Humbedooh | by drawing a doodle that resembles the icon you wanna place |
| 03:02.47 | Humbedooh | like a persistent mouse trail, Thunder_Child? |
| 03:02.59 | Dagmar | Like drawing a penis on the screen. |
| 03:03.05 | Dagmar | You *know* someone's going to do it |
| 03:03.06 | Humbedooh | hrmm with left button drawing it and right button wipes the screen |
| 03:04.43 | SqueeG | my girlfriends' weakness isnt chocolate |
| 03:04.46 | SqueeG | it's cupcakes xD |
| 03:05.03 | Humbedooh | chocolate cupcakes? |
| 03:05.26 | SqueeG | FUNfettir cupcakes! |
| 03:05.34 | SqueeG | .... FUNfetti*! |
| 03:09.17 | Humbedooh | there, made a new project - Doodle! |
| 03:13.58 | SqueeG | yay :D |
| 03:13.58 | SqueeG | :p |
| 03:14.38 | SqueeG | link! |
| 03:14.39 | SqueeG | :p |
| 03:14.57 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/doodle/ :p |
| 03:15.04 | Humbedooh | not done with the addon tho! |
| 03:15.10 | Humbedooh | gimme a few minutes ;> |
| 03:19.00 | Yssaril | Humbedooh: EWWW svn |
| 03:19.38 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 03:24.27 | SqueeG | i hate when i forget to close arguements -.- |
| 03:24.47 | Thunder_Child | Humbedooh: oh, heh, i thought it was persistent |
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| 03:33.58 | tem | kd3, it's not worth it |
| 03:34.03 | tem | just learn to feed on tears |
| 03:34.07 | tem | you'll be much happier |
| 03:34.21 | kd3 | hm? |
| 03:34.47 | mikma | liek, what? |
| 03:34.49 | tem | trying to quell the qq in trade |
| 03:35.09 | kd3 | meh; just answering a few questions while I'm actually in /2 |
| 03:35.16 | kd3 | trying to get to tol barad, which I can't on this toon |
| 03:35.23 | Jerub | qq? |
| 03:35.24 | mikma | WHERE IS STORMWIND?!??!? |
| 03:35.36 | tem | kd3, you're a mage |
| 03:35.41 | kd3 | gotta be 85 |
| 03:35.42 | tem | go talk to a portal trainer |
| 03:35.45 | tem | oh that's odd |
| 03:35.52 | kd3 | ya, color me annoyed |
| 03:36.12 | Jerub | hey, are they integrating the 10 and 25 raid locks in 4.0.1 ? it was ambiguous in a blue post i read |
| 03:36.30 | kd3 | yes. it's called the "Flexible Raid Lock System™" |
| 03:37.36 | Jerub | ™ ? |
| 03:37.41 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 03:37.52 | kd3 | bah. TM |
| 03:37.58 | kd3 | I really need to unlearn that habit |
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| 03:38.59 | Jerub | neat |
| 03:39.12 | Jerub | so i'm really *really* happy i hit KS before 4.0.1 |
| 03:39.25 | Mirrormn | KS? |
| 03:40.00 | Jerub | kingslayer |
| 03:40.07 | Mirrormn | ah |
| 03:49.59 | Jerub | mikma: btw, where is stormwind? |
| 03:50.09 | Jerub | and why are people confused as to its location? |
| 03:51.39 | ZorbaBeta | haha I just had someone send me a mail informing me that he would be canceling any auctions that I bid on for less than 5g |
| 03:52.02 | ZorbaBeta | yeah let me go manually modify auctioneer to filter out his auctions. oh wait, let's not do that |
| 03:53.21 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: tee hee |
| 03:53.36 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: how's cata prep going in QH? 3k new quests hey :) |
| 03:54.11 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, QH cata prep will be limited to me loading it up in 4.0 and ensuring that it breaks with a clean error message. |
| 03:54.25 | ZorbaBeta | I don't plan to support cataclysm, I just don't have time. If someone wants to take it over, it's GPLed. :) |
| 03:54.39 | ZorbaBeta | (that said I really need to do that soon) |
| 03:54.41 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: heh, tbh, that's tempting. |
| 03:54.49 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: but i don't even have PTR access. |
| 03:54.53 | Jerub | i guess i could fire that up. |
| 03:54.59 | Jerub | PTR is easy to get, right? |
| 03:55.02 | ZorbaBeta | You might go back on that when you start looking over the codebase ;) |
| 03:55.04 | Jerub | so i can test on 4.0.1 |
| 03:55.05 | ZorbaBeta | PTR's trivial, yeah |
| 03:55.12 | ZorbaBeta | search google for ptr, start huge download |
| 03:55.56 | kd3 | worldofwarcraft.com/charcopy |
| 03:55.59 | kd3 | or /ptr |
| 04:00.16 | Jerub | you don't even have to apply for it? |
| 04:01.56 | TMcMahon51 | Nah, dont need to. So long as your acocunt has been active at least a few months and you have the expansions, you just download the client and copy a character over. |
| 04:02.02 | TMcMahon51 | *account |
| 04:02.58 | Jerub | awesome. |
| 04:03.16 | Jerub | that's annoying though, need downloader to run, and the only machine on at home is my windows machien |
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| 04:14.37 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i assume the git repo contains the code for turning data submissions into datafiles for QH |
| 04:14.52 | ZorbaBeta | yup, it does |
| 04:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | although the datafiles themselves aren't included in there due to being many gigabytes large |
| 04:15.12 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: for cata they can be safely thrown away i think... |
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| 04:15.59 | ZorbaBeta | maybe. you'd probably want to hold onto the wrath/bc data, though |
| 04:16.13 | ZorbaBeta | also note that you'll basically need a reasonably hefty linux box in order to build stuff efficiently |
| 04:16.30 | ZorbaBeta | it was up to around 14 hours on a quadcore 4gb-ram box last time I did a run. |
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| 04:27.11 | Thunder_Child | thats not bad |
| 04:27.18 | Thunder_Child | i have had renders take longer than that |
| 04:27.28 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but it's a bit much for a WoW UI mod ;) |
| 04:27.52 | ZorbaBeta | especially for a build process that will occasionally break near the end and have to be restarted from zero. |
| 04:28.08 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 04:28.20 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: ... it just so happens i have a stock of high specced linux machines ;) |
| 04:28.38 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, excellent :) you may be glad to know that, *technically*, the build system is designed as a distributed computing network |
| 04:28.50 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: hehehehe. |
| 04:28.56 | ZorbaBeta | although it's rarely been used on more than one box at a time and may have some scaling issues. But in theory, at least :) |
| 04:29.00 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i just need to find someone willing to pay for power. |
| 04:29.24 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: does it require high speed interconnect? |
| 04:29.37 | Thunder_Child | wee, prant manages to crash wow for me |
| 04:29.39 | Thunder_Child | prat* |
| 04:29.50 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually not sure. It *should* work reasonably well on gigabit |
| 04:29.52 | ZorbaBeta | I could be wrong. |
| 04:29.55 | Jerub | oh right. |
| 04:30.07 | Jerub | has 1000s of machines on ADSL connections that are idle at night. |
| 04:30.11 | ZorbaBeta | some phases may scale better than others. |
| 04:30.27 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that wouldn't work so well - the database is pretty damn big and would need to be shipped back and forth multiple times in the process of a build |
| 04:30.34 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: stop using botnets to make WoW addons |
| 04:30.46 | TMcMahon51 | lol |
| 04:31.05 | TMcMahon51 | I hear Jerub owns 20% of the Storm Botnet. :o |
| 04:31.20 | Thunder_Child | no, he just manages it |
| 04:31.40 | Jerub | ... no. |
| 04:32.05 | Jerub | the hardware is all equipment we've sold. |
| 04:33.08 | TMcMahon51 | So, basically, you're saying you sell systems with backdoors installed? You fiend! |
| 04:33.29 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats what i read |
| 04:34.53 | Jerub | yes! from one point of view that's right. on the other hand,that's listed as a feature in the marketting literature. |
| 04:35.34 | Thunder_Child | you just dont thell them it's a feature for you, not them |
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| 04:37.27 | Mirrormn | god I should be going to bed but this SC2 2v1 grudge match is way too entertaining |
| 04:38.27 | Humbedooh | so, doodle has been made! |
| 04:38.47 | Thunder_Child | you might want to clean it up |
| 04:39.13 | Humbedooh | aaand hrmm you use /doodle to activate doodle mode, draw with left mouse button , wipe the screen with right button |
| 04:39.31 | Humbedooh | double right click exits doodle mode and shift + left mouse changes the pen color |
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| 04:40.20 | Thunder_Child | is right click erase everything? or more like eraser? |
| 04:40.43 | Humbedooh | wipe the screen |
| 04:41.04 | Humbedooh | the concept of an eraser would be too much for poor WoW to handle |
| 04:41.05 | Thunder_Child | how hard would it be to make an eraser? |
| 04:41.07 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 04:42.30 | Thunder_Child | what about layers then? |
| 04:42.53 | Humbedooh | maybe later ;p |
| 04:42.56 | Humbedooh | for now you just doodle! |
| 04:43.10 | Thunder_Child | can you send the doodle to other people with doodle? |
| 04:43.57 | Humbedooh | not right now :) |
| 04:44.24 | Humbedooh | mayhaps later - shouldn't be too difficult to broadcast them |
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| 04:49.16 | Jerub | actually, it's not really worth me grabbing PTR till i know that 4.0.1 isn't landing wednesday hey. |
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| 05:14.12 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: what's the comment about in the triangles file? that file isn't 'open source' ? |
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| 05:16.11 | ZorbaBeta | I opensourced the whole thing relatively recently, it's all GPL now |
| 05:16.21 | ZorbaBeta | there may be relics of the time when it was closed still sticking around |
| 05:16.27 | ZorbaBeta | that's probably one of those relics |
| 05:17.58 | Jerub | heh |
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| 05:35.56 | Fisker | no ckknight |
| 05:36.09 | ckknight | I don't need you anymore |
| 05:36.22 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 05:36.29 | Fisker | i got up just for this |
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| 05:36.58 | Fisker | my version of mirc goes into my dream when someone highlights my nick |
| 05:37.27 | Humbedooh | why would anyone highlight your nick :< |
| 05:37.39 | Humbedooh | except to scare small children |
| 05:37.57 | ckknight | Fisker: http://www.silverarcade.com/games/ckknight-silverevolution/beta |
| 05:38.02 | ckknight | consolation prize |
| 05:38.40 | Fisker | :o |
| 05:42.04 | Fisker | i'm tired ckknight |
| 05:42.16 | Fisker | and haste is a jerk |
| 05:42.21 | ckknight | k |
| 05:44.52 | Fisker | i'm pretty awesome though unlike haste |
| 05:48.41 | Fisker | i think haste is avoiding me because i'm so awesome |
| 05:48.56 | haste | I think not |
| 05:49.05 | haste | leaving for work now tho'! |
| 05:49.28 | Fisker | oh |
| 05:49.33 | Fisker | what kind of work? |
| 05:49.45 | Zhinjio | har : http://bit.ly/bBtRpl (warning, don't bother watching if you're republican) |
| 05:49.53 | Zhinjio | bah |
| 05:50.00 | Zhinjio | probably shouldn't post that kind of stuff here. sorry |
| 05:51.32 | Zhinjio | ckknight: why did your facebook account share a spam link? |
| 05:51.36 | Thrae | Zhinjio: In a two-party system, vilifying one major side helps them more than your favoured. |
| 05:52.16 | Fisker | i'm voting your mom Thrae |
| 05:52.24 | Zhinjio | Thrae: I'm not registered with either party |
| 05:54.26 | Zhinjio | and again, sorry for linking that here... wasn't really appropriate. |
| 05:55.15 | Humbedooh | pft, t'was fun! |
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| 05:59.20 | ckknight | Zhinjio: bloody hell |
| 05:59.35 | Jamash | Thrae: telling the truth isn't vilification |
| 05:59.45 | Fisker | i wanna ssd |
| 05:59.58 | ckknight | Zhinjio: thanks for telling me |
| 06:00.04 | Zhinjio | ckknight: ja. |
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| 06:00.17 | Jamash | Fisker: use the 2GB flash drive that came with starcraft 2 |
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| 06:01.16 | Fisker | naw Jamash |
| 06:02.53 | ckknight | Zhinjio: lulz @ the republican thing |
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| 06:11.18 | industrial | http://i.imgur.com/8mWsG.jpg |
| 06:11.19 | industrial | FUCKING SHOWER CURTAIN, HOW DOES IT WORK |
| 06:11.59 | Fisker | i'm awesome industrial |
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| 06:26.17 | Zhinjio | for those of you considering getting ipads for your kids: http://bit.ly/bnxIN3 |
| 06:26.46 | Fisker | what a waste of money |
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| 06:44.55 | Jamash | Zhinjio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40 |
| 06:45.49 | Zhinjio | that is pretty awesome |
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| 07:00.14 | zenzio | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/10/weird-science-recalculates-the-heights-of-its-dinosaurs.ars - I am amused by the image for this article |
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| 08:04.22 | angayelle | hai people, just a question about textures, i have 2 button pictures, one is loaded at start as default in the xml, the other one is mentionned in my lua but it doesn't switch when i want to. should i make reference to it somewhere in the xml so i would be sure it's loaded in memory ? |
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| 08:08.41 | zenzio | angayelle: as long as the picture was in your folder when you started WoW, it shouldn't matter that it's not mentioned in the XML |
| 08:08.50 | zenzio | are you sure you used the correct path from lua? |
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| 08:09.20 | angayelle | it seems so, it's just the same as in the xml, which work as i have the pictures on the default state |
| 08:09.43 | zenzio | show us the line you use in lua |
| 08:09.50 | angayelle | now i may be using a wrong command : PyroButton:SetTexture("Interface\AddOns\Combustion\Images\Combustionoff") |
| 08:10.22 | zenzio | try doubling the backslashes ("\" => "\\") |
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| 08:10.40 | angayelle | aaaah yes in the lua |
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| 08:10.49 | zenzio | yup |
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| 08:13.40 | angayelle | working perfectly, thanks a lot |
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| 08:13.58 | zenzio | :) |
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| 08:16.43 | msoul | Is there a way to remove a spell from the panel in button timers addon? |
| 08:17.28 | msoul | The only thing mentioned is how to reset buttontimers position |
| 08:17.39 | msoul | and how to access BT config |
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| 08:18.16 | zenzio | are you asking about a specific addon or just button timer addons in geneal? |
| 08:18.19 | zenzio | *general |
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| 08:19.10 | msoul | zenzio: specific addon, and I asked so soon |
| 08:19.30 | msoul | read the forums the addon website etc |
| 08:19.45 | msoul | have to hold shift in order to remove a specific spell |
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| 08:23.17 | zenzio | poor Repo |
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| 08:36.09 | Sixen | repo is getting hurt |
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| 08:38.51 | mikma | nice |
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| 08:40.01 | mikma | jnwhiteh, cairenn|afk, dolby, shadowed, someone: notice the repo-bot spamming like fisker |
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| 08:42.57 | zenzio | that's not true |
| 08:43.08 | zenzio | Repo hasn't threatened to fuck anyone's pets |
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| 08:43.40 | mikma | ckknight, kaelten, shirik: you too! do something or be fiskered. |
| 08:44.04 | mikma | fiskers likes to fuck pets? oh well, like that did surprise me |
| 08:44.16 | nev-mobile | Just hide join/part and be done with it. :p |
| 08:44.53 | mikma | i cant do it captain |
| 08:44.57 | Humbedooh | oy nev! |
| 08:44.58 | mikma | i dont have the power |
| 08:45.03 | Humbedooh | you forgot my library :( |
| 08:45.14 | mikma | you faggot |
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| 08:46.05 | Humbedooh | me or nev? =) |
| 08:46.11 | Humbedooh | or possibly both? |
| 08:46.35 | mikma | do you want me to call you a faggot? |
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| 08:47.42 | Humbedooh | not really no ;p |
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| 08:48.20 | nev-mobile | Poor repo, now he gets banned. :( |
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| 08:48.40 | mikma | humbedooh: then its just nev, aight? |
| 08:48.51 | mikma | humbedooh: after all, you like moomins! |
| 08:48.58 | Humbedooh | yes! |
| 08:49.05 | Humbedooh | I have all the moomin comic strips ! |
| 08:50.38 | Humbedooh | so, doodle just got awesome |
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| 08:50.54 | Humbedooh | with real-time doodle sharing in raids, parties or guild channels |
| 08:51.13 | Humbedooh | so you can doodle something and all the raid members can watch you doodle |
| 08:51.32 | mikma | heh |
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| 08:51.43 | nev-mobile | While this might be fun, it would be more fun if they looked at exactly the same 3d scene as you |
| 08:51.53 | mikma | i am trying to code the note-addon, not having the time to do it is a minus |
| 08:51.54 | Humbedooh | it's not a fullscreen doodle |
| 08:52.04 | Humbedooh | it's a whiteboard doodle when it's in doodlepad mode |
| 08:52.31 | Humbedooh | for the other stuff, you'll have to wait for me to eventually finish l2r ;| |
| 08:54.37 | nev-mobile | What would be awesome, a dungeon mode, which has the rooms of the bosses in a high zoom from the maps, where you can then doodle on with live sharing |
| 08:55.18 | mikma | i am gonna doodle you like fisker, nev-mobile |
| 08:55.31 | Humbedooh | hmm ye |
| 08:55.43 | nev-mobile | So others see the map as well, and where you are painting positions and stuff |
| 08:56.24 | mikma | basicly open map and draw on it |
| 08:56.49 | nev-mobile | With zoom, so the boss rooms are bigger. :p |
| 08:57.05 | mikma | oh, open map with fullscreen |
| 08:57.16 | mikma | cause now its mini vs maxi |
| 08:57.18 | mikma | hehe |
| 08:57.30 | Humbedooh | http://www.wowace.com/addons/doodle/images/2-doodlepad/ |
| 08:57.35 | Humbedooh | my brilliant sindragosa tactic! |
| 08:58.46 | Humbedooh | if someone would bother to make said maps of the boss rooms, it'd be pretty easy to implement I guess |
| 08:58.49 | nev-mobile | Could also offer some stamps to put on the doodle, like the raid icons |
| 08:59.09 | Humbedooh | yup |
| 08:59.26 | nev-mobile | Dont have to draw an angryface mob when you can just place the skull there. :p |
| 08:59.58 | Humbedooh | it'd only be a...semi doodle then ;> |
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| 09:00.45 | nev-mobile | Im just thinking about raid uses. :p |
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| 09:02.45 | zenzio | the best use for the skull raid icon was definitely putting it on Supremus |
| 09:02.50 | zenzio | so people could see which mob to attack |
| 09:03.21 | nev-mobile | Of course |
| 09:04.19 | mikma | so, the elderly excavationer-user just popped the tire off from the rim |
| 09:04.27 | mikma | the whole rim has been bent to hell |
| 09:04.39 | mikma | i bet my day ends here |
| 09:05.40 | mikma | the rim needs to be fixed and they need to find a compressor to fill the tire |
| 09:12.58 | mikma | humbedooh: well, basicly all the maps exist already, just create a frame and pop the images there |
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| 09:13.53 | nev-mobile | Need to figure out the offsets though |
| 09:14.12 | nev-mobile | Or let the user drag and zoom the map in place |
| 09:14.16 | nev-mobile | That would be neat |
| 09:14.48 | Humbedooh | well the mousegestures lib _does_ provide the functionality to do that |
| 09:15.00 | Humbedooh | but I'll just focus on the raid icons first ;p |
| 09:15.34 | industrial | Ugh UML you confuse me (or rather I confuse you with ERD). Wasn't composition vs aggregation about object life expectancy? wether an object's lifetime is fully managed by another (composition) or wether the other object has a collection of these (aggregation)? |
| 09:16.14 | industrial | but then, this has nothing to do with the data in the database because wether the objects exist or not, the db will run. |
| 09:16.17 | industrial | SO |
| 09:16.50 | industrial | I should not think about the DB at all |
| 09:17.03 | industrial | but I'm modeling objects that hold db data ... that have relationships |
| 09:17.05 | industrial | Q_Q |
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| 09:42.25 | Humbedooh | there, raid target icons and such |
| 09:42.53 | Humbedooh | you just hold down your ctrl key and you can place them, and the mouse wheel is used to scroll through the various icons you can place |
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| 09:45.37 | angayelle | anyone got a link about using custom fonts in an addon ? cause fritz quadrata just doesn't cut it |
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| 09:53.29 | mitch0 | take a look at libsharedmedia |
| 09:55.08 | angayelle | will do that |
| 09:55.36 | industrial | $dude1: My hand smells like penis. $dude2: You're doing it right. (IRL) |
| 09:55.42 | industrial | :') |
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| 12:26.48 | angayelle | someone maybe could tell me if i can remove an addon i've just uploaded and repost it under a new username ? |
| 12:27.06 | zenzio | on which site? |
| 12:27.11 | angayelle | wowinterface |
| 12:27.21 | zenzio | ask Cairenn|afk |
| 12:27.29 | angayelle | k thanks |
| 12:27.31 | Adys | or dolby |
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| 12:38.59 | Adys | http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/nutelleria-nutella-snack.jpg |
| 12:40.11 | zenzio | ohai peppy |
| 12:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi to you. |
| 12:43.29 | zenzio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqh8e2KYIrU |
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| 12:54.26 | zenzio | "CONCLUSION: Running Wild <> Plainsrunning" -- did he just use VB "does not equal" in a thread title? |
| 12:54.58 | krka_ | could be SQL as well |
| 12:55.04 | nev-mobile | Well its also pascal |
| 12:55.11 | zenzio | seriously? o_O |
| 12:55.21 | zenzio | and here I thought people learned from mistakes |
| 12:55.39 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 12:56.09 | nev-mobile | Most sqls support != as well |
| 12:56.36 | krka_ | it sort of makes sense.... "less than or greater than" |
| 12:56.49 | nev-mobile | Yeah |
| 12:57.03 | nev-mobile | Not so much for opaque objects |
| 12:57.41 | nev-mobile | Foo <> NULL is just weird. :) |
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| 13:01.12 | Fisker | slaps nev-mobile around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:01.42 | Kraps | "Wikimedia Italia is now following you on Twitter!" lol? |
| 13:03.07 | zenzio | you think that's bad? I got "Politiets Sikkerhetstjeneste (PST) is now following you on Twitter!" (roughly "Norwegian Police Security Service") after I started following them |
| 13:03.33 | Humbedooh | hrrr |
| 13:04.48 | Kraps | but i never even visited Wikimedia Italia |
| 13:05.02 | zenzio | Kraps: oh, lol |
| 13:05.40 | Fisker | why would the police be on twitter? |
| 13:05.42 | Fisker | fuck that |
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| 13:06.40 | Humbedooh | soo, made the mouse gesture capture thing even more clever now |
| 13:06.50 | Kraps | "Unfortunately, "most agree that prot warrior dps is lacking" is not an actionable item" lol actionable item |
| 13:07.02 | zenzio | Humbedooh: now you don't even have to move the mouse, just look at it? |
| 13:07.06 | Humbedooh | you can set it to exit after a predefined number of gestures, or you can just let it work it out for itself (for circular ones) |
| 13:08.17 | Humbedooh | so you can capture gestures non-stop if you like without ever locking the mouse |
| 13:09.12 | Adys | 70 deleted messages in this conversation. View messages or delete forever. |
| 13:09.46 | nev-mobile | DELETE |
| 13:09.46 | nev-mobile | Whoops |
| 13:09.58 | Humbedooh | baleted! |
| 13:16.49 | zenzio | "iunno, i would like to see Kel'thuzad again, imagine if he become the new leader of the Forsaken, there many pple that could be and i think for sure Sylvannas is gunna either be killed or betray the Horde"... yes, Kel'Thuzad would be the obvious choice o_O |
| 13:18.45 | nev-mobile | But he died |
| 13:18.49 | nev-mobile | Twice alread |
| 13:18.51 | nev-mobile | Y |
| 13:19.06 | zenzio | yeah, this is a thread about him possibly coming back... |
| 13:19.59 | breeze_ | Does anyone know how I can use string.find with unicode? Trying to match "invite (%a+)" but it fails when there's a non ascii character in the name |
| 13:20.05 | nev-mobile | When an undead dies, he cant come back as un-undead |
| 13:20.24 | jnwhiteh | breeze_: use %S |
| 13:20.26 | jnwhiteh | instead of %a+ |
| 13:20.29 | jnwhiteh | %S+ |
| 13:20.37 | jnwhiteh | what you really want is any non-space token |
| 13:20.50 | breeze_ | jnwhiteh: perfect, thanks. |
| 13:20.51 | zenzio | nev-mobile: that's the thing... I think the guy I quoted wants Kel'Thuzad back... in lich form... as leader of the Forsaken |
| 13:20.54 | jnwhiteh | yw! |
| 13:21.00 | nev-mobile | Damn im too slow, stupid phone keyboard |
| 13:21.48 | Humbedooh | but uhm...the Forsaken != Cult of the Damned |
| 13:21.55 | nev-mobile | They need to build a usb keyboard that i can attach to my phone |
| 13:21.55 | nev-mobile | Srsrly |
| 13:22.25 | zenzio | Humbedooh: this is why I was so confused by the post I quoted |
| 13:22.49 | nev-mobile | People dont usually care, undead is undead for them |
| 13:23.59 | Humbedooh | I'm just surprised the post wasn't in German |
| 13:26.17 | nev-mobile | Somewhat related, most races seem to kill their own somewhere, be it human pirates, dark iron dwarves, or lepper gnomes.. but are there corrupted nelfs? (Short of twilight hammer, who have all races) |
| 13:26.20 | nev-mobile | I cant think of any |
| 13:26.52 | zenzio | I assume by corrupted you don't count satyr? |
| 13:27.42 | Humbedooh | hm, I think I'm gonna write a reply to that LibActionBar post... |
| 13:27.47 | Humbedooh | something like... "I'm not sure i see the use-case for that lib. Are you using it in any addon already to see what its doing?" |
| 13:27.48 | Humbedooh | ;> |
| 13:27.56 | nev-mobile | Real nelfs that are just bad..not demonized |
| 13:28.22 | nev-mobile | I told you what addon in the post. :p |
| 13:29.05 | Humbedooh | I know - I just wanted to upset you :> |
| 13:29.37 | airtonix | who are you ? |
| 13:29.38 | nev-mobile | You know whats funny, you made the same error i do all the time |
| 13:29.52 | nev-mobile | You called it LibActionBar |
| 13:29.55 | Humbedooh | that's unpossible! |
| 13:30.02 | nev-mobile | While its Button |
| 13:30.06 | Humbedooh | oh ye :p |
| 13:30.07 | nev-mobile | Nor Bar |
| 13:30.11 | Humbedooh | well bar is shorter! |
| 13:30.11 | nev-mobile | Not* |
| 13:31.01 | nev-mobile | Anyhow packing and going home, enough for today |
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| 13:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | The nev mobile is on the move! *giggle* |
| 13:36.13 | zenzio | :-p |
| 13:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | I just picture the batmobile, with more computer power. |
| 13:37.41 | mikma | hehehee |
| 13:38.52 | zenzio | "Or more correctly, you won't see Cataclysm until the 12th of July in 2011 because you, and your correct kind, are elitist cocks." -- aww, another American with hurt feelings |
| 13:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. |
| 13:39.42 | Humbedooh | link! |
| 13:39.54 | zenzio | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/768143-12.7.2010 |
| 13:42.10 | Humbedooh | haha :] |
| 13:46.27 | industrial | good thing I stopped visiting forums a few years ago, prolly would have killed myself /wrists in rage (wowace forums anyone :P wonder if my post history is still there -_-) |
| 13:48.40 | Ackis | holy shit |
| 13:48.49 | Ackis | highest rank in Halo Reach requires 20 million credits |
| 13:49.02 | Ackis | you get 500 credits on average per 10-15 minute game |
| 13:49.46 | Ackis | 40k games needed! 6666.6666... hours of game time... that can't make sense |
| 13:52.20 | industrial | achievement systems are overrated. false sense of personal accomplishment if it's on massive scale |
| 13:52.41 | industrial | you logged in, achievement! you picked a character, achievement.. getouttaheeerrreee |
| 13:53.54 | Ackis | there aren't achievements for those ranks :P |
| 13:55.27 | Fisker | that sucks nevcairiel |
| 13:56.27 | alestane | Seth gets off to a great start with this one: http://www.ted.com/talks/seth_godin_this_is_broken_1.html |
| 13:56.32 | industrial | ranks, achievements, badges, seals, trinkets -> decoration |
| 13:56.43 | Fisker | i'm very disappoint in Blizzard Ackis |
| 13:57.04 | industrial | Fisker: u shud lern how to shot web, then talk bizznizz |
| 13:57.09 | Ackis | y Fisker? |
| 13:58.05 | Fisker | they're releasing cataclysm as an expansion |
| 13:58.23 | industrial | linear expansions suck :( |
| 13:58.24 | Ackis | what happens if you don't buy cataclysm? |
| 13:58.47 | industrial | 'hey our world is fucked up now, but you have to go fight demons in outland and icy shit in northrend first cause you are a WEAKLING!' |
| 13:59.36 | industrial | also recipe based item making means you have one hell of a crappy to do list to level tradeskills./ |
| 13:59.44 | mikma | yey official release date! |
| 13:59.54 | mikma | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?101004 |
| 13:59.57 | mikma | old news etc? |
| 14:00.00 | Fisker | very old |
| 14:00.14 | Fisker | posted 22 minutes ago on mmoc |
| 14:01.00 | TMcMahon51 | Thats like, ancient news, then. |
| 14:03.07 | Fisker | agreed |
| 14:03.45 | cbreak_work | late. I already guessed a similar date almost a year ago |
| 14:05.07 | Ackis | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/rudel.html |
| 14:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | Guess I need to pre-order my copy finally, huh. |
| 14:05.36 | Adys | AHAHAAH |
| 14:05.38 | Adys | priceless |
| 14:05.46 | Adys | [Party] [Radeon]: Sorry crash |
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| 14:12.56 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs |
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| 14:20.59 | breeze_ | What class colour is normally used for unknown classes? |
| 14:21.42 | alestane | If you would need to use a class color, I think you can always know the class, but I would expect it would just be the same color as the surrounding text. |
| 14:21.58 | Ackis | Adys: I don't get it |
| 14:23.01 | breeze_ | alestane: That's white, the priest colour :P. I'm doing a /who on someone, but if the person's not online I have to show it someone, preferably with a colour |
| 14:23.30 | Ackis | Isn't it darkish grey? |
| 14:23.36 | alestane | Probably grey, then, if they're not online and available. |
| 14:24.05 | alestane | Somewhere in the neighborhood of #999. |
| 14:24.36 | Kraps | mikma: coolio |
| 14:25.51 | breeze_ | alestane: grey looks fine, thanks |
| 14:26.38 | Ackis | wow the phishers aren't even trying with me anymore... this one was sent from axel_bacher@hotmail.com they didn't even try to pretend it was blizz |
| 14:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | Amateur night, Ackis |
| 14:28.25 | Ackis | I still gave them my info, just because I felt bad |
| 14:29.08 | mikma | kraps: ya |
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| 14:33.49 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: how do you not get that |
| 14:34.19 | Thunder_Child | the guy names after the lesser of 2 videocard companies crashed |
| 14:34.22 | Thunder_Child | damed* |
| 14:34.31 | Thunder_Child | named* |
| 14:34.33 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 14:36.08 | Thunder_Child | ~seen Sylvanaar |
| 14:36.21 | purl | sylvanaar <~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 21h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'actually im going to do it like this: Liberation Sans (U)'. |
| 14:36.40 | Fisker | i came Thunder_Child |
| 14:36.50 | Thunder_Child | not on me you didnt |
| 14:37.12 | Kraps | Q: Why not just track boss kills per player? If I've killed a boss it just won't drop anything. A: We fundamentally do not agree with a system where a boss kill does not drop something (even if it's for specific people). This also has all sorts of negative side effects associated with it. |
| 14:37.25 | Kraps | idk, why not? |
| 14:38.23 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNQ4MKv_ayY <-omg boxes or very very very very very very very very very very very agile thieves can break into my apartment |
| 14:38.43 | Thunder_Child | OLD Fisker |
| 14:38.51 | Fisker | very agile Thunder_Child |
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| 14:40.27 | Ackis | Fisker: is this you? http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/ba6326d3-3496-41b9-8986-f4a381b0a939.jpg |
| 14:40.55 | Kraps | Fisker: "to show you how awesome this hammer is, i'll smash your $3,000 heirloom china!" |
| 14:42.07 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:42.20 | Fisker | To show you how awesome this hammer is i'll go polish a window |
| 14:45.57 | Fisker | i once killed a Kraps |
| 14:46.44 | Kraps | Fisker: you cant stop me |
| 14:47.20 | Fisker | google tv will rape you |
| 14:47.30 | Kraps | idk what that is |
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| 14:49.17 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: http://gizmodo.com/5653502/review-matrix-the-apple-tv-dissected |
| 14:49.30 | Fisker | i will kraps you |
| 14:50.12 | Fisker | why isn't gizmodo making their own review Thunder_Child? |
| 14:50.12 | Fisker | BAM |
| 14:53.58 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: so? |
| 14:55.26 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: so what? you asked what it is |
| 14:55.48 | Kraps | fisker said google tv :p |
| 14:56.06 | Thunder_Child | oh...so he did |
| 14:56.26 | Thunder_Child | http://www.google.com/tv/ |
| 14:56.29 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: ^ |
| 14:57.49 | nicoli_s | its funny that alot of these new streaming apps cant do anything better than what you can get for free using a 360, ps3 or wii |
| 14:57.52 | Sixen | wow |
| 14:58.01 | Sixen | ill take an internet tv ;o |
| 14:58.11 | Kraps | thats pretty pro |
| 14:58.20 | Kraps | how do you get it? |
| 15:00.36 | Sixen | lol. http://www.google.com/tv/getit.html |
| 15:00.50 | Sixen | That's how you getit.html! |
| 15:00.52 | Fisker | xbox 360 can't browser |
| 15:00.57 | Fisker | and the ps3 browser sucks |
| 15:01.15 | Fisker | also it can't interact with your tv etc. |
| 15:01.26 | Fisker | You basically just got the streaming capability |
| 15:01.32 | Fisker | well unless you buy a tuner card for your pc too |
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| 15:01.48 | Kraps | i dont have a tv! |
| 15:02.06 | nicoli_s | fisker:not true |
| 15:02.07 | TMcMahon51 | wuts this "tv" you speak of? |
| 15:02.10 | Fisker | then die Kraps |
| 15:02.16 | nicoli_s | i use tversity and it does a shit ton of streaming for all 3 consoles |
| 15:02.18 | Fisker | very true:nicoli_s |
| 15:03.30 | Kraps | you first Fisker |
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| 15:03.43 | Fisker | no u Kraps |
| 15:03.56 | Kraps | no |
| 15:03.58 | Kraps | u |
| 15:04.27 | Fisker | no u |
| 15:05.04 | Kraps | no u |
| 15:09.51 | airtonix | no me |
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| 15:20.09 | Cide | hi |
| 15:20.52 | cog|away | ih |
| 15:22.25 | |Jelly| | This may seem ... silly but is there a way to show every frame that's currently hidden? |
| 15:22.36 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/dragonage/status/26371580410 Dragon Age 2 codes |
| 15:22.37 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 15:22.44 | cog|work | ~api enumerate |
| 15:22.44 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_enumerate |
| 15:22.49 | cog|work | !api enumerate |
| 15:22.49 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'enumerate': VoiceEnumerateCaptureDevices, VoiceEnumerateOutputDevices, EnumerateServerChannels, EnumerateFrames |
| 15:22.56 | cog|work | !api enumerateframes |
| 15:22.57 | lua_bot | EnumerateFrames: Returns the next frame following the frame passed, or nil if no more frames exist (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EnumerateFrames) |
| 15:24.57 | |Jelly| | hmm |
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| 15:27.04 | |Jelly| | rofl ... wow just shat itself |
| 15:27.33 | nevcairiel | this is interesting, WoW runs at full fps while i'm running a prime95 torture test in background .. is it secretly giving itself higher priority or what o.O |
| 15:28.09 | Shirik | doesn't prime95 use the CPU? |
| 15:28.17 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 15:28.19 | Shirik | I doubt WoW's bottleneck is the CPU |
| 15:28.35 | nevcairiel | It always was before |
| 15:28.37 | Shirik | someone should port prime95 to use CUDA |
| 15:28.40 | Shirik | imo |
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| 15:29.21 | nevcairiel | my math is a bit rusty, but can prime-finding be parallized like crazy? |
| 15:29.39 | Legorol | Shirik: for me CPU is very much the bottleneck, with an old Intel P4 3.2 GHz singlecore |
| 15:29.54 | Shirik | for me it's the hard drive, sadly |
| 15:29.59 | Legorol | it's quite noticable. in 25-man raids disabling addons has a significant effect on fps |
| 15:30.13 | Shirik | hm good point |
| 15:30.23 | Shirik | here nevcairiel, visual studio never lies |
| 15:30.26 | Legorol | well that is just for me, my point is neither good nor bad |
| 15:31.13 | Shirik | oh btw nevcairiel, task manager will only show the process priority |
| 15:31.16 | Shirik | there's also thread priority |
| 15:33.37 | nevcairiel | thread priority guess across process boundaries? |
| 15:35.53 | Shirik | sorta |
| 15:35.58 | Shirik | but you're right |
| 15:37.04 | Shirik | several threads are not at normal priority |
| 15:37.12 | Shirik | one of them is even "time critical" |
| 15:38.05 | nevcairiel | I just figured out why my cpu usage graph in windows is always so screwed up |
| 15:38.25 | nevcairiel | Apparently, the windows scheduler is moving the thread around between cpu cores |
| 15:38.29 | nevcairiel | for whatever arcane reason |
| 15:38.33 | Shirik | because windows is awesome |
| 15:38.48 | nevcairiel | set affinity to just one core, and your one thread using 100% will actually look like that in cpu graph |
| 15:38.53 | nevcairiel | but isnt switching core expensive? |
| 15:39.13 | Shirik | I didn't say it was a good idea :) |
| 15:39.38 | nevcairiel | They totally revamped the scheduler for 7, someone must think its a good idea |
| 15:40.47 | nevcairiel | wishes for some more knobs to turn in windows |
| 15:43.11 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/Boubouille_MMO/status/26340694285 |
| 15:43.28 | Shirik | but yeah, there's a ton of threads running at a higher priority |
| 15:43.39 | Shirik | and TIME_CRITICAL does in fact get a higher priority than even normally scheduled ABOVE_NORMAL |
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| 15:45.48 | nevcairiel | btw Shirik, unban Repo pls, he was fixed and doesnt join spam anymore ;) |
| 15:46.08 | nevcairiel | should be the ban against 68.64.47.56 |
| 15:46.15 | haste | why would it be here anyway :p ? |
| 15:46.31 | nevcairiel | so we can query it with the @ commands! |
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| 15:55.04 | Shirik | btw nevcairiel |
| 15:55.15 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cff8cee62a140f4c0e1854c6fa7fb654.png |
| 15:55.17 | Shirik | those are the threads |
| 15:55.43 | nevcairiel | of? :p |
| 15:55.46 | nevcairiel | your system? |
| 15:55.59 | nevcairiel | doesnt look like enough for the whole system |
| 15:56.45 | Kraps | blade runner is really slow |
| 15:57.22 | nevcairiel | I know how threads look though, i've done my fair share of programming :P |
| 15:57.40 | nevcairiel | I just didnt think a thread priority would matter across processes |
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| 16:02.55 | TC-Work | that's the problem nevcairiel, you didn't think! |
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| 16:04.13 | Shirik | nevcairiel: For WoW |
| 16:04.19 | Jamash | thinking gets you into trouble |
| 16:04.25 | Shirik | and it does matter across processes |
| 16:04.29 | Shirik | at least as far as windows is concerned |
| 16:04.33 | Shirik | windows schedules threads, not processes |
| 16:04.49 | TC-Work | Jamash: it gets you into trouble if you are bad at thkning |
| 16:04.53 | TC-Work | thinking* |
| 16:04.55 | TMcMahon51 | thinking hurts the brain |
| 16:05.04 | Shirik | what process a thread belongs to matters, but higher priority threads can block other, higher priority processes with lower priority threads |
| 16:05.11 | Shirik | Also, omg @ git merges: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b61fbdda72d76632670db8bf2ea4c525.png |
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| 16:05.13 | Jamash | doesn't debugging wow.exe get you banned |
| 16:05.14 | zenzelezz | never put a thread in realtime priority |
| 16:05.17 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:05.41 | Shirik | no Jamash |
| 16:05.59 | cog|work | station |
| 16:06.55 | cog|work | Shirik: looks like a tube map |
| 16:07.11 | Jamash | that's what I was thinking |
| 16:07.12 | TC-Work | i think we have enough stations |
| 16:08.04 | cog|work | shining times TC-Work |
| 16:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:08.40 | TC-Work | that went over my head cog|work |
| 16:08.47 | TC-Work | or around it...or somethuing |
| 16:08.49 | cog|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Time_Station |
| 16:09.42 | zenzelezz | "Which reminds me of a story from the old Windows 95 days. The GDI folks received a defect report from the user interface team, who backed up their report with a complicated mathematical explanation. The GDI team accepted the change request with the remark, "We ain't much fer book lernin." " |
| 16:09.53 | Jamash | sigh |
| 16:10.19 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:10.35 | zenzelezz | also, your thread talk reminded me of this post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/06/10/10022675.aspx |
| 16:11.10 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:12.33 | Fisker | Ackis |
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| 16:14.17 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 16:14.17 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 16:15.38 | zenzelezz | aww, I missed "fuck stupid protocols" day :( |
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| 16:16.47 | Jamash | you could insert a universal Fisker quote template "Fisker: %n" "Fisker: %n, I'm going to kill you with a fish." |
| 16:18.15 | Fisker | you forgot "Hey %n" and "Not so hey %n" |
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| 16:18.28 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:19.08 | cog|work | only one weekend between now and the weekend we leave for BC! |
| 16:19.40 | zenzelezz | British Columbia? Burning Crusade? |
| 16:19.42 | Arrowmaster | when are you leaving? |
| 16:19.47 | cog|work | the 17th |
| 16:19.56 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 16:20.05 | Arrowmaster | im leaving the 21st |
| 16:20.19 | Fisker | omg Thunder_Child |
| 16:20.23 | Fisker | i thought that google tv site was new |
| 16:20.37 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:20.42 | Fisker | what kind of work is you doing |
| 16:20.45 | Fisker | wtf? |
| 16:20.50 | cog|work | We're gonna spend the first part of the week doing other non-blizz tourist-y stuff down there |
| 16:20.59 | Fisker | this conversation never took place |
| 16:21.55 | Jamash | This IRC channel will self-destruct in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... |
| 16:22.08 | TMcMahon51 | *gets blown up* T_T |
| 16:23.30 | Ackis | fuck you BC acronym, it's already taken by a province |
| 16:23.33 | cog|work | Lunessa: we're taking you to the original pancake house for breakfast on wednesday kk? |
| 16:23.40 | Ackis | was just going to ask cog|work if he was going to come to Alberta at all :( |
| 16:23.41 | Lunessa | kk. |
| 16:23.41 | cog|work | Ackis: and a wow expansion |
| 16:23.54 | cog|work | http://www.originalpancakehouse.com/ |
| 16:24.03 | Lunessa | Gonna get me a stack o' flapjacks and a plate o' bacon. |
| 16:25.01 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 16:25.07 | cog|work | Lunessa: or bacon pancakes! |
| 16:25.20 | Fisker | why won't Blizzard release Cataclysm as a standalone expansion? |
| 16:25.49 | cog|work | speaking of which... how is the timeline going to work for new characters? |
| 16:25.52 | Jamash | mmm pancakes |
| 16:25.58 | cog|work | the starting areas talk about events that happened in wrath |
| 16:26.00 | Jamash | cog|work: hahaha, you said timeline |
| 16:26.18 | cog|work | but then you level up to 70 and go to northrend to do said events... |
| 16:26.18 | Lunessa | Or that monster on the front page that looks like an impending and delicious heartattack. |
| 16:26.47 | cog|work | yeah that one is full of nom |
| 16:26.47 | TMcMahon51 | You start out in present day Azeroth, then you get stronger, but you're told you're too weak, so they send you back in time to get stronger, then, wait, where was I again? |
| 16:26.52 | Lunessa | cog|work: The cataclysm is worked into all the starting areas. |
| 16:27.36 | cog|work | yeah, the cataclysm is, but they also talk about the lich king being defeated, events in icecrown and such |
| 16:27.39 | Jamash | if you've read Thief of Time by Terry Pratchett, you would understand how time works in wow |
| 16:28.02 | cog|work | "if you've read" ends any conversation with me |
| 16:28.12 | cog|work | you can thank high school english for raping any desire I had for literature |
| 16:28.21 | durcyn | books. fuck 'em, am i right cog|work |
| 16:28.31 | Lunessa | cog|work: It's more or less 1 year post the defeat of Arthas. Sort of the Star Wars school of scene transition.... fade to new point on the time line. |
| 16:29.05 | Arrowmaster | i need to find something good to read on the plane |
| 16:29.05 | Ackis | hey cog|work if you read stuff about global warming you'd know I'm right |
| 16:29.08 | cog|work | durcyn: fiction at least. and printed... I can handle audio books |
| 16:29.11 | Ackis | just started an internal conflict in cog|work |
| 16:29.16 | cog|work | i think i'm slightly dyslexic |
| 16:29.19 | Jamash | yeah jesus who writes or reads books anyway |
| 16:29.19 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: Fable 3 novel (comes with ingame code!!) |
| 16:29.34 | Ackis | btw Arrowmaster did you see all the ranks for Halo Reach? |
| 16:29.43 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 16:29.59 | cog|work | actually mrs. cog and i usually listen to an audio book or two on the drive to/from LA |
| 16:30.03 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://bit.ly/9ocRM3 |
| 16:30.20 | cog|work | but she's usually reading and listening to 4 or 5 different books at once... |
| 16:30.28 | cog|work | she reads enough for the both of us |
| 16:30.35 | Jamash | that sounds difficult |
| 16:30.42 | Jamash | does she use two ipods at once? |
| 16:30.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: You should look at getting something to play librivox.org recordings on your droid. |
| 16:30.53 | cog|work | Jamash: they're in progress at once |
| 16:30.59 | Ackis | if that's right Arrowmaster it'll take about 40k games to get the highest rank at 500cr a game |
| 16:31.08 | Jamash | yeah, so does she use two headphones, or some sort of Y adapter? |
| 16:31.11 | cog|work | Lunessa: we both have 120gb ipods |
| 16:31.24 | Fisker | i'm chris hansen |
| 16:31.27 | Lunessa | oh, then the AudioTraveler app is free. :) |
| 16:31.45 | Lunessa | And the recordings are mostly in MP3 anyway |
| 16:31.49 | cog|work | Jamash: as in, she's some % through one book at the same time as she's some % through another book, as she's some % through some audio book, etc... |
| 16:32.18 | Jamash | cog|work: I can keep this up all day |
| 16:32.22 | cog|work | although i wouldn't put it past her to be able to read and listen at the same time |
| 16:32.24 | TMcMahon51 | @Fisker, These aren't the pervs you're looking for *waves hand* |
| 16:32.40 | TC-Work | uh, i think i am |
| 16:32.57 | cog|work | ~seen tekkub |
| 16:33.13 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 9h 31m 14s ago, saying: 'beardyhead, and then I'll get on tek'. |
| 16:33.15 | Jamash | It is said that Julius Caesar could conduct a conversation in one language, listen to field reports in another and write a letter in a third |
| 16:33.20 | Fisker | naw TMcMahon51 |
| 16:33.24 | Jamash | at the same time |
| 16:33.33 | Fisker | it's not to catch a predator but to catch a creditwhore |
| 16:33.42 | Lunessa | Humans are terrible at multi-tasking. |
| 16:33.53 | cog|work | Lunessa: except koreans |
| 16:33.58 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: this the one you were talking about? http://www.amazon.com/Fable-Balverine-Order-Peter-David/dp/0441020062 |
| 16:33.59 | TMcMahon51 | These aren't the gamers you're looking for. *waves hand* amidoinitrite? |
| 16:34.38 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeees |
| 16:34.58 | Jamash | fablol |
| 16:35.04 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 16:35.46 | TMcMahon51 | has anybody heard the rumour that AMD is planning on releasing the specs to the new HD 6000 GPUs at their Tech Forum & Exhibition on the 19th? |
| 16:35.47 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it's out in stores already, I got it on saturday myself, and could've got it sooner, amazon.com has a weird release date for some reason |
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| 16:36.58 | mikma | has anyone here coded a resizeable (drag) frame? :P |
| 16:37.39 | Ackis | http://gg.ca/document.aspx?id=13889 anyone see anything odd about that coat of arms? |
| 16:38.09 | Fisker | i will fuck you up Ackis |
| 16:39.04 | Jamash | the binary at the bottom? |
| 16:39.09 | Ackis | Jamash: aye |
| 16:39.26 | Jamash | clearly a sign from time travellers |
| 16:39.29 | cog|work | Sixen would've gotten my "except koreans" |
| 16:39.50 | Jamash | "The wavy band inscribed with zeros and ones represents a flow of information, digital communication and modern media." |
| 16:39.52 | Sixen | Of course. |
| 16:39.57 | Sixen | What'd I mis : |
| 16:39.58 | Sixen | :( |
| 16:40.03 | mikma | ackis: what does the binary say |
| 16:40.08 | cog|work | 09:33 < Lunessa> Humans are terrible at multi-tasking. |
| 16:40.16 | Jamash | it's an executable that reformats your hard drive |
| 16:40.18 | cog|work | 09:33 < cog|work> Lunessa: except koreans |
| 16:40.22 | Ackis | mikma: no idea, slashdot has some guesses only |
| 16:40.23 | Sixen | :P |
| 16:40.25 | Jamash | I got it |
| 16:40.40 | Lunessa | decided to let it go without digging in deeper. |
| 16:40.45 | Jamash | ^ |
| 16:40.56 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 16:40.58 | Fisker | that's not binary Ackis |
| 16:41.07 | Jamash | it's probably "8008135" in binary |
| 16:41.35 | mikma | ackis: well then we should fuck you up with fisker |
| 16:41.49 | Ackis | no :( |
| 16:41.49 | cog|work | didn't intel used to make an 8008 processor? |
| 16:41.58 | Ackis | 80088 |
| 16:42.02 | Kraps | k i just saw blade runner |
| 16:42.06 | Kraps | i dont get it |
| 16:42.09 | cog|work | Ackis: no... as a successor to the 4004 |
| 16:42.19 | Fisker | it's not binary |
| 16:42.19 | cog|work | pre-pc architecture |
| 16:42.20 | Fisker | it's "LOLOLOL" |
| 16:42.38 | TMcMahon51 | The Intel 8008 was an early byte-oriented microprocessor designed and manufactured by Intel and introduced in April 1972. |
| 16:42.41 | Kraps | what kind of lame-ass training do blade runners get anyway? |
| 16:42.45 | TMcMahon51 | copypasta from wikipedia. |
| 16:42.54 | Jamash | 6830770643 |
| 16:43.19 | Ackis | cog|work: ah |
| 16:43.26 | Ackis | 1972 |
| 16:43.29 | Ackis | I wasn't alive then |
| 16:43.35 | cog|work | i was -10 |
| 16:43.43 | TMcMahon51 | I bet it could still run WoW. |
| 16:43.50 | Fisker | you can't be -10 cog|work |
| 16:44.00 | Ackis | fuck I'm older than cog|work |
| 16:44.02 | Ackis | h8 |
| 16:44.26 | Fisker | your mom is older than cog|work |
| 16:44.30 | ckknight | you're older than me by 15 years, Ackis |
| 16:44.33 | mikma | m8, w8, h8 b4 its 2 l8 |
| 16:44.35 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 16:44.40 | Ackis | ckknight: wth |
| 16:44.44 | ckknight | I'm 23 |
| 16:44.45 | mikma | ckknight: what are you, like, 12? |
| 16:44.49 | mikma | ah hahaha |
| 16:44.55 | Ackis | ~lart ckknight |
| 16:44.55 | purl | plops ckknight into a giant vat of herring |
| 16:44.58 | Ackis | I'm not THAT old |
| 16:44.58 | Fisker | ckknight and me are the same age |
| 16:45.02 | Fisker | except i'm probably older |
| 16:45.04 | mikma | ah hahaha |
| 16:45.11 | ckknight | Ackis: you said 1972, ah, I see |
| 16:45.16 | TMcMahon51 | 23 in a couple weeks for me =\ |
| 16:45.17 | Fisker | when is your birthday ckknight ? |
| 16:45.17 | ckknight | you weren't alive then :P |
| 16:45.21 | Ackis | nope :P |
| 16:45.22 | ckknight | Fisker: August 22 |
| 16:45.23 | TMcMahon51 | Nah, he was referring to the 8008 |
| 16:45.25 | Ackis | 1981 is when I was born |
| 16:45.26 | Fisker | harr |
| 16:45.31 | Fisker | i'm half a year older than you |
| 16:45.31 | ckknight | Ackis: ah, okay |
| 16:45.33 | mikma | ackis: lol lol i am older than you |
| 16:45.38 | Fisker | i'm the mature one |
| 16:45.45 | ckknight | Fisker: okay, so I've accomplished far more despite being younger. Yay, I win! |
| 16:45.56 | mikma | ah hahaha |
| 16:46.02 | mikma | amazing |
| 16:46.05 | Ackis | lulz Mr. mikma |
| 16:46.06 | mikma | you just fiskered fisker |
| 16:46.08 | Jamash | I was also born in 1981 |
| 16:46.20 | Fisker | i disagree ckknight |
| 16:46.31 | Fisker | because i did your mom |
| 16:46.37 | cog|work | 1982 > 1981 |
| 16:46.38 | cog|work | ! |
| 16:46.41 | ckknight | it's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's fact |
| 16:46.42 | Fisker | which by precedent means i've accomplished more than you |
| 16:47.06 | Jamash | Mark Zuckerberg was born in 1984 and is a thousand times richer than all of us put together |
| 16:47.26 | Arrowmaster | but hes also a thousand times more of a douche |
| 16:47.29 | mikma | 24th of this month i'll get the first degree of handling dynamite \o/ |
| 16:47.32 | Fisker | Mark Zuckerberg is a sucker |
| 16:47.39 | mikma | so i've accomplished my step nr.1 |
| 16:47.48 | Fisker | sounds like i should be a lot richer than i currently am Arrowmaster |
| 16:47.48 | Jamash | doucheness(Fisker) * 1000 = ? |
| 16:47.50 | Fisker | maybe in 2 years? |
| 16:48.10 | cog|work | I agree with pretty much everything MZ said. It's better to push the boundaries and find out what people are ACTUALLY comfortable with than to impose artificial constraints because of what might go wrong. |
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| 16:48.33 | cog|work | i'm all for the FB philosophy |
| 16:48.35 | Fisker | maybe cog|work |
| 16:48.38 | Fisker | but facebook is a piece of shit |
| 16:48.41 | TMcMahon51 | Arrowmaster, nah, not a thousand time. Closer to a million times more of a douch. his douchiness is infinite. |
| 16:49.13 | cog|work | Fisker: i blame the engineers |
| 16:49.17 | Jamash | cog|work: by "FB philosophy" you mean "make as much money as possible without regards to what users want", right? |
| 16:49.18 | cog|work | it all went down hill after Duman left |
| 16:49.20 | cog|work | :> |
| 16:49.21 | Fisker | :E |
| 16:50.04 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/10/4/ - lol |
| 16:50.15 | Jamash | hawt |
| 16:50.36 | mikma | has anyone here coded a resizeable (drag) frame? :P |
| 16:50.41 | Jamash | they could make a career of doing nothing but video game movie jokes |
| 16:50.46 | Sixen | Agree. |
| 16:50.52 | Sixen | Duman should've been in the movie. |
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| 16:51.06 | Jamash | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/1/24/ is a classic |
| 16:51.35 | Kraps | Fisker: i have to pee |
| 16:51.38 | Arrowmaster | have you seen the trailer for the fake tetris film? |
| 16:52.35 | Jamash | NO |
| 16:52.37 | Jamash | TELL ME MORE |
| 16:52.44 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_1KlWFJyA |
| 16:55.02 | Jamash | hooray for cliches |
| 16:56.39 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 16:56.43 | Fisker | not so hey Sixen |
| 16:56.50 | Sixen | ;o |
| 16:56.52 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8 |
| 16:57.06 | cog|work | epic'est tetris evar ^ |
| 16:57.42 | Ackis | when is blizzcon? this weekend? |
| 16:57.48 | cog|work | 22-23 |
| 16:57.58 | Ackis | kk |
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| 16:58.19 | Jamash | blizzcon is happening RIGHT NOW OMG YOU'RE MISSING IT |
| 16:58.32 | Ackis | I hope the ammonia is in by then... |
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| 17:01.51 | Jamash | don't mix ammonia and bleach |
| 17:02.16 | TMcMahon51 | but it smells soo good... |
| 17:02.31 | Jamash | that smell is dying brain cells |
| 17:03.48 | cog|work | Ackis: remember earlier when you were complaining about the BC abbreviation? |
| 17:04.14 | cog|work | if you had actually paid attention to what you were responding to, you'd know about when it was happening... |
| 17:04.19 | cog|work | U SUK |
| 17:04.22 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:05.25 | Ackis | huh? |
| 17:07.27 | Ackis | weekly challenge is "Complete 50 Rounds in Firefight Matchmaking." |
| 17:07.30 | cog|work | 09:19 < cog|work> only one weekend between now and the weekend we leave for BC! |
| 17:07.40 | cog|work | 09:23 < Ackis> fuck you BC acronym, it's already taken by a province |
| 17:08.00 | cog|work | 09:57 < Ackis> when is blizzcon? this weekend? |
| 17:08.07 | cog|work | ^ FAIL |
| 17:08.08 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: 50 rounds of firefight == 10 games? |
| 17:08.18 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 17:08.22 | Ackis | cog|work: I've moved on, you should too ;) |
| 17:08.34 | cog|work | i will never move on from pointing out fail!!!! |
| 17:08.36 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 17:08.59 | Ackis | pfft |
| 17:10.46 | Ackis | my stomach is killing me |
| 17:10.50 | Ackis | these drugs give me the poops |
| 17:11.14 | Lopeppeppy | take with food? |
| 17:11.23 | nicoli_s | Ackis:what rank are you? |
| 17:11.28 | Ackis | nah it says plenty of water |
| 17:11.31 | Ackis | nicoli_s: WO3 |
| 17:11.36 | Ackis | almost |
| 17:11.43 | Ackis | I think I"m actually 3 games away from it |
| 17:11.45 | Ackis | can't remember |
| 17:12.06 | Jamash | I'm "didn't waste money on buying halo again" rank |
| 17:12.17 | Lopeppeppy | if it bothers your stomach, try some crackers with it. |
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| 17:12.29 | nicoli_s | damn, im behind, just about to reach WO1 |
| 17:13.01 | Ackis | Next: Warrant Officer Grade 3 (31098 of 33000) |
| 17:13.12 | Ackis | so 2-4 games away |
| 17:13.24 | Ackis | then I'll need 66k credits for captain :( |
| 17:13.52 | Ackis | Kill/Death0.82 <-- I'm pro |
| 17:14.24 | Jamash | how many points do you need for MCPO? |
| 17:14.41 | nicoli_s | god who knows, some ungodly amount |
| 17:14.41 | Ackis | doesn't exist :P |
| 17:15.10 | Ackis | nicoli_s: http://bit.ly/9ocRM3 |
| 17:16.09 | nicoli_s | god, so many ranks |
| 17:16.31 | Ackis | look at the credits for the last rank |
| 17:19.06 | Jamash | is it over nine thousand? |
| 17:19.06 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:19.18 | ckknight | slightly |
| 17:20.06 | Jamash | did you see that PayPal screwed over the TortoiseSVN lead developer? |
| 17:20.30 | ckknight | no, I didn't |
| 17:21.20 | Jamash | http://tortoisesvn.net/howpaypalscrewsopensourceprojects |
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| 17:24.01 | Fisker | fucked up as usual Jamash |
| 17:24.06 | Jamash | yep |
| 17:24.06 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/blog=169603 |
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| 17:26.01 | Jamash | hmm, to grind kirin tor rep to to say f that and wait for cata |
| 17:26.09 | Jamash | s/to/or/ |
| 17:26.17 | Jamash | ~lart Jamash |
| 17:26.17 | purl | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Jamash feel it |
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| 17:27.38 | alestane | This site has an article called "The strange but inevitable rise of pornography for the Amazon Kindle." |
| 17:27.43 | Kraps | december 7 was the attack on pearl harbor HOW DARE BLIZZARD |
| 17:28.12 | Fisker | 12/7 never forget |
| 17:28.18 | Cide | that's why it released a new cataclysm |
| 17:28.21 | Cide | er |
| 17:28.23 | Cide | it's releasing |
| 17:29.15 | Fisker | i want my google tv Cide |
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| 17:32.20 | Jamash | I want to be able to stream TV from bittorrent directly onto my television |
| 17:32.25 | Jamash | can google tv do that |
| 17:32.32 | cog|work | battle.net down? |
| 17:32.38 | cog|work | (website) |
| 17:32.49 | cog|work | (US) |
| 17:32.57 | Ressy | yeah |
| 17:33.03 | Lunessa | Dig deep enough into world history and any month/day combo is a sensitive issue for someone. |
| 17:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/battle.net |
| 17:33.07 | Jamash | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/battle.net |
| 17:33.11 | Jamash | damn it peppy |
| 17:33.16 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 17:33.20 | cog|work | <3 |
| 17:33.21 | Jamash | blushes |
| 17:33.41 | Fisker | wrong page Lopeppeppy |
| 17:33.41 | Jamash | we need to come up with new months and days |
| 17:33.51 | Jamash | then nobody will have any bad associations |
| 17:34.20 | Kraps | Hey I think you're right Tokkar, my girlfriend and I celebrate the anniversary of our first date on the 14th of December, which is also the day that in 1287 a levee broke in the Netherlands killing 40,000 people. How insensitive of us to be celebrating something completely and utterly unrelated to a tragedy that happened to be the same day many many years ago." |
| 17:34.34 | Lopeppeppy | So put in your own url, Fisker. You've got a keyboard too, yaknow. |
| 17:34.43 | alestane | Then there's the people who wanted Jackson to change the title of The Two Towers to avoid being insensitive to survivors of the victims of 9/11, Lunessa. |
| 17:35.04 | Kraps | whaaaaaat |
| 17:35.17 | Fisker | It wasn't me who asked Lopeppeppy |
| 17:35.18 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 17:35.21 | Jamash | Kraps: true story |
| 17:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | So type in your own url, cog-a-thingie! :P |
| 17:35.41 | cog|work | ? |
| 17:35.53 | Lopeppeppy | giveded up and blamed the cog! |
| 17:36.02 | Lunessa | alestane: I know. |
| 17:36.33 | cog|work | Kraps: Apparently, mrs. cog and I got married on the anniversary of dale earnhardt jr. dying. |
| 17:36.57 | cog|work | s/jr./ |
| 17:37.30 | Shirik | coincidence? I THINK NOT |
| 17:37.44 | Cide | me neither |
| 17:38.20 | cog|work | if you think a racist is someone who watches nascar every sunday, you might be a redneck |
| 17:39.57 | Lunessa | If you've ever walked your children to school 'cause you're in the same grade, you might be a redneck. :P |
| 17:40.12 | Legorol | lol |
| 17:40.13 | Jamash | if you've ever laughed at jeff foxworthy, you might be a redneck |
| 17:40.28 | Kraps | come on hes funny |
| 17:40.30 | Lunessa | emphasis on /might/. |
| 17:40.57 | Nechckn | This was new to me, anyway, but something to keep in the back of your mind if/when dealing with the mighty PayPal. http://tortoisesvn.net/howpaypalscrewsopensourceprojects |
| 17:41.54 | Jamash | old Nechckn |
| 17:42.27 | Nechckn | Yep, but as I said new to me and just posted for anyone else who missed it. |
| 17:42.29 | Nechckn | ;-) |
| 17:43.34 | Ressy | paypal's really been screwing people lately. |
| 17:43.35 | Jamash | I mean I mentioned it 20 minutes ago |
| 17:43.58 | Nechckn | Keep that PP vacuum turned on. Oh.. sorry, did not see it. But cool. |
| 17:45.49 | Kraps | sourceforge has a legal team? |
| 17:45.52 | cog|work | Nechckn: i wonder how this bodes for pledgie... |
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| 17:46.47 | Jamash | not well I assume |
| 17:47.38 | Nechckn | Yeah, good point, cog|work - I guess we shall just have to wait and see. |
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| 17:49.26 | Cairenn|afk_ | n |
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| 17:49.48 | TC-Work | Cairenn! |
| 17:52.14 | Adys | Cairenn: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/30-day-challenge-meditation/ |
| 17:52.16 | Adys | i gotta try this |
| 17:52.42 | Jamash | good idea |
| 17:54.04 | Jamash | another good thing to try is going vegetarian one day a week |
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| 18:01.10 | Seerah | Jamash: that's easy :) |
| 18:01.30 | Jamash | it's easy for me, why is it easy for you? |
| 18:01.47 | Seerah | yep. I live on pasta and carbs. Meat is just extra. |
| 18:02.35 | Ackis | giggles at Seerah |
| 18:02.39 | Jamash | ah |
| 18:02.42 | Seerah | pokes Ackis |
| 18:02.51 | Ackis | :D |
| 18:02.52 | Seerah | it's an often yummy extra |
| 18:03.19 | cog|work | my guts are a wreck if i don't eat meat |
| 18:03.28 | cog|work | or at least some sort of animal protein (cheese = win) |
| 18:03.50 | Ackis | cog|work: you make it too easy at times |
| 18:04.09 | cog|work | har |
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| 18:07.52 | kd3|netbook | yawn, midterm in OOP and winding up $135 poorer after getting my passport. sigh |
| 18:08.22 | Ressy | ouch. |
| 18:08.26 | Fisker | slaps kd3|netbook around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:08.29 | nevcairiel | thats an expensive passport |
| 18:08.48 | kd3|netbook | base fees are $110 now, plus the post office wanted its $25 cut |
| 18:08.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:09.44 | Ressy | $87 here for an adult passport. |
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| 18:10.22 | Ressy | god.. how much is a child's. >.< |
| 18:11.15 | kd3|netbook | http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_837.html |
| 18:11.32 | Ressy | geez. US is so expensive. |
| 18:12.01 | Ressy | omg... geez |
| 18:12.39 | Jamash | execution fee? sounds ominous |
| 18:12.59 | kd3|netbook | I'm expecting the axe-man any time now |
| 18:13.14 | Ressy | under 3yrs is only $22 for a full passport here. |
| 18:14.01 | Dagmar | You don't expect us to pay for the execution, do you? |
| 18:14.26 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped kd3 |
| 18:14.35 | kd3|netbook | sure you can, fisk-fisk |
| 18:15.01 | Fisker | i cannot |
| 18:15.06 | Dagmar | whoa |
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| 18:15.24 | Shirik | anyone good with gpg? "sig 3" means level 3 signature and "sig" means level 0, right? |
| 18:15.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:15.41 | Fisker | left |
| 18:18.31 | kd3|netbook | wtf, fark: If you have a spare $21,000 lying around then you can buy your kids the best Christmas present EVER. Introducing the kiddy battlemech [Cool] |
| 18:18.47 | kd3|netbook | http://gizmodo.com/5654265/the-kids-walker-you-know-battletech-for-kids |
| 18:20.00 | TC-Work | yea, i saw that one |
| 18:20.01 | Lunessa | kd3|netbook: When the Axeman cometh, send him 'round to my office, ok? I have some work for him. |
| 18:20.17 | kd3|netbook | as soon as I send him around my office first |
| 18:20.22 | TC-Work | Lunessa: s/axemen/taxmen/ |
| 18:21.15 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Taxmen - those employees of the state who if doing the same work as private enterprise would be called the mafia. |
| 18:21.34 | TC-Work | except the mafia is more polite |
| 18:21.54 | Lunessa | And doesn't hate you for making money. |
| 18:22.10 | durcyn | dont' blame Lunessa, he voted for Badnarik |
| 18:22.25 | Lunessa | who? |
| 18:22.28 | Jamash | is it better than the badonkadonk? |
| 18:22.38 | durcyn | the 2000 libertarian presidential candidate |
| 18:22.57 | Jamash | http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE |
| 18:23.01 | Lunessa | Nah, in 2000 I voted for another nutbag. |
| 18:23.39 | Dagmar | She voted for Bush. |
| 18:23.50 | Jamash | pfft, the "kid's walker" doesn't even walk, it rolls |
| 18:24.53 | Fisker | i don't feel so well |
| 18:24.58 | durcyn | did you just call Lunessa female, Dagmar? |
| 18:25.12 | Lunessa | In American politics, it pretty much boils down to "Chose the guy who says he's your hero. In 4-8 years, revile him as a villain." |
| 18:25.19 | alestane | Well, the avatar always has been, durcyn. |
| 18:26.06 | Lunessa | Then in 10-15 years, revere him through the lens of nostalgia. |
| 18:26.22 | Dagmar | durcyn: I could always say "it" |
| 18:26.58 | Lunessa | is very, very, very male. |
| 18:27.27 | Jamash | Lunessa: So, your theory of american politics is that espoused by Harvey Dent? |
| 18:27.27 | Dagmar | Yeah I know but it's too much trouble to keep track of that crap |
| 18:27.35 | Dagmar | I'm not fucking you, so I don't have to care what gender you are |
| 18:27.53 | Lunessa | You say the sweetest things. |
| 18:28.16 | Lunessa | Jamash: No, I experience a different sort of disgust and depression. |
| 18:28.17 | Dagmar | Hey it's a perfectly pragmatic approach to worrying about the gender of people on the internet you never see |
| 18:28.35 | Dagmar | ...and at least I'm not accusing you of thinking Tom Selleck is hot or something, like certain other people |
| 18:29.13 | cog|work | crits you for over 9000 with Tom Selleck's moustache |
| 18:29.43 | Lunessa | Now hold on a second. Tom Selleck is a studly man, and if I'm as hot at his age as he is... I will be a fortunate man. |
| 18:30.02 | Jamash | are tom selleck and geraldo rivera the same person? |
| 18:30.13 | kd3|netbook | ...no? |
| 18:30.22 | Jamash | maybe their moustaches are the same |
| 18:30.46 | TC-Work | Lunessa: why are you talking about studly men? |
| 18:30.55 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Role Models. |
| 18:31.13 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 18:31.16 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 18:31.21 | Jamash | wait, who's that guy who isn't tom selleck |
| 18:31.21 | cog|work | </3 |
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| 18:34.14 | Jamash | apparently my brain thinks tom selleck is james garner, or possibly vice-versa |
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| 18:35.21 | TC-Work | Lunessa: dont you think you would rather have a role model of a hot woman? |
| 18:36.19 | alestane | "I don't know if we can trust my mom's choice of hot guys...she thinks Sean Connery is a total hunk, for crying out loud!" "...well, he DOES have the moves." |
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| 18:36.27 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Learning to be sexy from a hot woman through observation is only going to work on men or lesbians, neither of which are my target audience. |
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| 18:37.02 | TC-Work | Lunessa: you missed the point of "observing hot women" |
| 18:37.15 | Dagmar | Jamash: Their mustaches pretty much _are_ the same |
| 18:37.20 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Nah, that's a freebie. I get to do that all the time. :) |
| 18:37.24 | Dagmar | Amazing how Rivera makes it look sleazy |
| 18:37.25 | Hirsute | Anyone here leveled a druid as balance? |
| 18:37.35 | Jamash | I tried it, but gave it up |
| 18:37.42 | Jamash | feral > balance at low levels |
| 18:37.58 | Jamash | although cata should change that |
| 18:37.59 | alestane | Some, Hirsute, but as part of a triad of druids who are one balance, one resto and one feral. |
| 18:38.16 | Hirsute | Aye. I just hit 40 and respec'd to balance, trying out the boomkin. |
| 18:38.54 | Jamash | doomkin! |
| 18:39.10 | Hirsute | alestane: I'm looking at gear, and for my Resto spec, there's no question that it's beneficial for me to grab cloth int/sp gear when I can. I'm wondering if, for surviveability, I should stick with what I can find on leather gear for the boomkin though. Any thoughts? |
| 18:39.36 | amro | cog|work: why no new lfmf? |
| 18:39.38 | alestane | Since my boomkin is part of a group with a dedicated tank, I don't choose for survivability. |
| 18:39.48 | Jamash | Hirsute: collect everything |
| 18:39.52 | Lunessa | Hirsute: It really doesn't matter for Balance until you get Mastery. |
| 18:40.00 | Hirsute | alestane: *nod* makes sense. |
| 18:40.30 | Hirsute | Okay. I guess a lot of the accumulated wisdom up to this point will be going out the window pretty soon anyway. |
| 18:40.35 | alestane | But boomkin do get an armor bonus based on what they're wearing, so if you're operating solo, you may care more. |
| 18:40.40 | Jamash | by "Mastery" do you mean "Leather Specialization"? |
| 18:41.11 | Lunessa | Jamash: yes. |
| 18:41.21 | Jamash | k |
| 18:41.37 | Lunessa | Also - this is an excellent suggestion. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026326453&sid=2000 |
| 18:41.37 | cog|work | amro: first great virtue of a programmer imo -_- |
| 18:41.59 | amro | ah, that's fine then :P |
| 18:42.05 | amro | I guess all the annotations can get tiring |
| 18:42.28 | cog|work | Hopefully tonight barring anything catastrophic |
| 18:42.41 | Dagmar | Woo. Simple, straightfoward. GOod stuff. |
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| 18:43.03 | Amarande | sooo ... do you think it's tomorrow, like almost everyone seems to say now? |
| 18:43.23 | Dagmar | Is it just a random fluke or are they screwing with the weather again? |
| 18:43.39 | Dagmar | It was _foggy_ last night when I logged into Dun Morough |
| 18:43.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: Hope you have got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. One eye is taken for an eye. :) |
| 18:43.53 | Jamash | odds of tomorrow patch = 0.00000% |
| 18:44.08 | kd3|netbook | ^ |
| 18:44.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: Whatevr the heck you listen to I have no idea |
| 18:44.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: you don't know Creedence Clearwater Revival? :( |
| 18:44.32 | alestane | Creedence Clearwater Revival. |
| 18:44.33 | cog|work | hasn't it only been ~3 weeks since the ptr went live? |
| 18:44.54 | cog|work | Blizzard isn't that careless wrt. public testing. |
| 18:44.56 | Lunessa | There's a Bad Moon on the rise. |
| 18:44.57 | cog|work | owait sc2 |
| 18:44.59 | cog|work | ducks* |
| 18:46.30 | Jamash | gooses* |
| 18:46.30 | stew-a | don't forget that its actually been on beta for a couple of months already |
| 18:46.38 | Jamash | have you logged in to the ptr? |
| 18:46.45 | Jamash | buggy as helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 18:47.01 | Kraps | is revisiting the real id fiasco |
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| 18:47.24 | cog|work | stew-a: except that it's only been tested on new content (at least at low levels) |
| 18:47.42 | cog|work | the ptr still has all the old world quests and zones |
| 18:47.45 | Jamash | did you see they finally are allowing people to opt out of friend-of-a-friend? |
| 18:47.52 | kd3|netbook | at least for 4.0.1... |
| 18:47.55 | cog|work | yeah |
| 18:48.00 | Kraps | yeah Jamash |
| 18:48.03 | kd3|netbook | jamash; yes... took me some time to actually find the option, but it's there |
| 18:48.08 | cog|work | it's going to be a bit weird for new players starting between 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 |
| 18:48.12 | Hirsute | I almost want it to drop tomorrow so that the, don't-taze-me-bro type freaking about about the raid lock changes will (hopefully) slow down a little. |
| 18:48.13 | Jamash | if you copy a character to the ptr you will be unable to use your professions unless you use a workaround |
| 18:48.27 | Jamash | that does not say "ready for prime time" to me |
| 18:48.29 | durcyn | that's been fixed for a while, Jamash |
| 18:48.30 | Amarande | Jamash, I'm *still* foggy on how the friend-of-a-friend thing was working anyway |
| 18:48.43 | durcyn | ever since Archaeology went live |
| 18:48.50 | Jamash | no it isn't |
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| 18:49.02 | Amarande | I haven't heard of any of my Real ID friends saying they've had other people added to their friends list when I added people :S |
| 18:49.30 | Jamash | you can click on someone and select "View Friends" and see their friends |
| 18:49.53 | Lunessa | Most of the RealID features are only in the SC II game client. |
| 18:49.55 | Kraps | kd3|netbook: link? |
| 18:50.11 | kd3|netbook | https://us.battle.net/account/management/settings/change-communication.html |
| 18:50.16 | kd3|netbook | (log in first) |
| 18:50.23 | Kraps | derp |
| 18:50.36 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 18:50.42 | kd3|netbook | yes fisk-fisk? |
| 18:51.04 | Fisker | ahey |
| 18:51.11 | Amarande | Lunessa: Ahh. I've only used it through WoW so that would explain why. |
| 18:52.41 | Kraps | how do i take a trial "account" off my account? |
| 18:53.19 | Dagmar | Call up support, tell them you're the trial account, accuse them of being soviet spies |
| 18:53.39 | Dagmar | Tell them you know all about their plan to turn your cat gay by bombarding your house with microwave radiation. |
| 18:54.04 | Kraps | no, i like clicking stuff and created a 10 day trial :/ |
| 18:54.17 | Kraps | and i dont have a cat |
| 18:54.34 | Dagmar | I don't think they're really going to worry too much about whether or not you have a cat after that sort of tirade |
| 18:54.35 | Jamash | send support an email |
| 18:54.42 | Ressy | TS can't do it. Billing can. |
| 18:54.50 | Jamash | send billing an email |
| 18:56.31 | Jamash | out of curiosity, why do you want to remove the trial? |
| 18:57.03 | Ressy | wouldn't have to choose Wow1/WoW2 on login. |
| 18:57.28 | kd3|netbook | 's too used to doing that for... how long now? because of beta |
| 18:57.37 | Kraps | what Ressy said |
| 18:57.48 | Amarande | kd3: btw, which of the titles/mounts from LK raids are being removed in Cata, if any? |
| 18:58.08 | Amarande | I'm suspecting titles stay and mounts removed, based on the previous tier changes during LK itself? |
| 18:58.27 | kd3|netbook | the only substantive change I've heard is that the yogg+0 mount becomes rare drop |
| 18:58.32 | Dagmar | Taking away mounts from people? |
| 18:58.39 | Dagmar | heh |
| 18:58.40 | durcyn | they're disabling all 'immortal' style achievements, nothing else's been announced |
| 18:58.41 | Ressy | they wouldn't ever remove mounts. |
| 18:58.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: I mean as in no longer obtainable :P |
| 18:59.09 | Amarande | durcyn: didn't they only have those for Naxx? |
| 18:59.10 | Ressy | It'd be really dumb because they're planning on grandfathering in 310% mount speed. |
| 18:59.14 | durcyn | so if you want your Immortal/Undying/Conqueror/etc, now's the time |
| 18:59.27 | durcyn | Amarande: the TOC dedication ones as well |
| 18:59.42 | Amarande | ahh, A Tribute to Insanity and its chain |
| 18:59.44 | Amarande | are the tribute chests themselves and the 50 attempts limit staying? |
| 18:59.56 | Amarande | and are these changes being introduced with 4.0.1, 4.0.3, or Cata live? |
| 19:00.10 | durcyn | the only thing i'm aware of are the achievements themselves no longer being obtainable |
| 19:00.11 | Amarande | (the latter I think coincides with 4.0.3, anyway) |
| 19:00.13 | durcyn | 4.0.1 allegedly |
| 19:00.22 | Amarande | durcyn: bah, I see Blizzard did not learn their lesson from BC, then |
| 19:00.33 | Amarande | that sort of thing kills off raiding and encourages altitis for the last month of an expansion |
| 19:00.38 | Ackis | http://www.facebook.com/Boo |
| 19:00.44 | kd3|netbook | not like lv80 raids are going to work properly in 4.0.1 anyway |
| 19:01.03 | durcyn | oh, they're already dicking over ICC pugs/gdkps with the flex lock crap |
| 19:01.04 | Kraps | who the hell is boo? |
| 19:01.25 | Kraps | Affiliation: Dog |
| 19:01.26 | Amarande | durcyn: 10/25 universal lock is going on LK raids too? |
| 19:01.28 | Kraps | orly |
| 19:01.31 | durcyn | and someone said the vendor JP items were being converted to the 277 versions? |
| 19:01.36 | durcyn | Amarande: for ICC and RS |
| 19:01.40 | kd3|netbook | ama; just ICC and RS |
| 19:01.52 | Amarande | bah, this sounds like Blizzard learned nothing at all from 3.0.2 |
| 19:01.58 | Fisker | damn kd3 |
| 19:02.00 | Amarande | you remove stuff AFTER the new content is available |
| 19:02.00 | Fisker | i just owned people |
| 19:02.13 | Amarande | you DO NOT create a month where people have to suffer the removals AND don't have the new content yet to compensate, that's just dickery |
| 19:02.25 | kd3|netbook | that just introduces new bugs that will likely take down the server |
| 19:02.29 | durcyn | uh, they're not removing anything relevant to current content. |
| 19:02.37 | durcyn | you're being overly dramatic |
| 19:02.38 | kd3|netbook | easier to do it all at once and suffer with crazy raids for a month and a half |
| 19:03.00 | Amarande | durcyn: they're making it no longer able to obtain a number of achievements, which basically removes all real interest in some content |
| 19:03.04 | durcyn | flex lock is the only thing that affects icc/rs, and only then if you try to do both 10 and 25 with mixed heroics |
| 19:03.14 | nevcairiel | Amarande: all achievements are still available, wtf are you smoking |
| 19:03.19 | Amarande | and forcing people to adopt a Cata stance in terms of raiding ICC/RS, rather than letting them enjoy the last month of LK |
| 19:03.24 | Amarande | nevcairiel: 4.0.1 isn't out yet, either :) |
| 19:03.27 | durcyn | Amarande: yes, ther are so many people farming Ulduar and TOC achievements right now, they'll all unsubscribe! |
| 19:03.37 | durcyn | get a fucking grip |
| 19:03.39 | kd3|netbook | because people need to learn how to use the new system... better on content that no longer matters than the new end-game |
| 19:04.12 | nevcairiel | if you didnt manage the ulduar achievements by now, you deserve to not get it |
| 19:04.22 | Shirik | ~wiki Azimpoor Syndrome |
| 19:04.23 | nevcairiel | be happy they didnt remove the drakw when toc came out, like they should have |
| 19:04.31 | nevcairiel | drake* |
| 19:04.56 | durcyn | anyway you have another week to get your alts 310 drakes or whatever it is you're emo about |
| 19:05.13 | kd3|netbook | it's already been changed to db-pie |
| 19:05.15 | kd3|netbook | mm... pie |
| 19:05.39 | Amarande | durcyn: ehh. I guess I kinda have a sore spot about removals first then additions, because I was around for 3.0.2, and was way too close to getting Naaru |
| 19:05.57 | Amarande | then Naaru was removed, and all we got was this stupid zombie invasion that about 75% of players hated :) |
| 19:06.07 | kd3|netbook | <3 the zombie invasion |
| 19:06.12 | Amarande | granted, I liked the IDEA of the zombie invasion |
| 19:06.14 | Amarande | I thought it was neat. |
| 19:06.22 | durcyn | Amarande: late to the party, then? I have champion of the naaru on characters that've been mothballed since 2.4 |
| 19:06.26 | Amarande | It was more the way it actually played out that ground people's gears :) |
| 19:06.26 | Jamash | zombie invasion = best thing ever done in wow since the corrupted blood plague |
| 19:06.38 | Shirik | kd3|netbook: lol @ {{db-pie}} |
| 19:06.39 | Ackis | I should sell my toon |
| 19:06.47 | Ackis | Fisker: want to buy a priest? |
| 19:06.51 | durcyn | Jamash: hakaar 1.0 owned. |
| 19:06.51 | Ackis | on US servers? |
| 19:06.58 | Ackis | $1000000000 pl0x |
| 19:07.07 | Amarande | durcyn: Yeah. Didn't hit 70 till March of 2008, had a really inconsistent job schedule that made it impossible to get a raid guild in those days since BC raid guilds wanted usually 3-4 consistent nights, not like the 1-2 these days in LK, and was on a server where you couldn't even do heroics without T4+ |
| 19:07.14 | Jamash | I'll pay that much, do you accept internet dollars? |
| 19:07.27 | Amarande | Plus was on the one battlegroup where I couldn't compensate with PvP gear because it was the Great Alliance Stormstrike AV Boycott time as well |
| 19:07.42 | nevcairiel | the pre-expansion patch alaways was like half a year since the last content patch, in iccs case even a full year |
| 19:07.51 | nevcairiel | if you dont have done everything by now, the last month wont make a difference |
| 19:08.10 | Amarande | durcyn: so yeah, the end of BC bothered me a fair bit. :) |
| 19:08.20 | durcyn | Amarande: I was inactive during TOC, i'll never get tribute to insanity. i'm over it. go get a beer. |
| 19:08.29 | Fisker | iiiiii |
| 19:08.35 | Amarande | and really, *personally* I was more concerned about KS now than anything else |
| 19:08.40 | nevcairiel | i actually got that in 10man with some guild group that just went there for giggles durcyn :D |
| 19:08.48 | Amarande | since our raid is at the LK attempts stage |
| 19:08.53 | nevcairiel | 25 not so much, but who cares |
| 19:09.09 | durcyn | nevcairiel: the split 10 and 25 achievements were the stupidest thing ever done |
| 19:09.17 | Kraps | who long would it take to read all 2,495 pages of the real id announcement? |
| 19:09.17 | durcyn | nevcairiel: so glad they're merging them back together for 85 |
| 19:09.19 | nevcairiel | its all over soon |
| 19:09.22 | Jamash | stop being stupid outfitter |
| 19:09.36 | Kraps | s/who/how/ |
| 19:09.43 | Amarande | Kraps: Dear gods. |
| 19:09.49 | Dagmar | I'm sorry reading is so hard for you |
| 19:09.52 | Amarande | I thought the 498 page Lone Wolf thread at Nexus War was long. |
| 19:10.09 | Jamash | did they take out corpsesplosion? |
| 19:10.11 | Amarande | (And that one's still going, too, I think) |
| 19:10.25 | Amarande | kd3: anyway, the main problems with the zombie invasion were pretty simple |
| 19:10.25 | Dagmar | Jamash: Corpse explody got nerfed to bits a looong time back |
| 19:10.37 | Kraps | Dagmar: its not hard, it would take a fuckton of hours |
| 19:10.39 | Amarande | one, many dedicated PvE server people hated it |
| 19:10.51 | durcyn | Amarande: guess you've not been paying attention, there's a twilight invasion this time around |
| 19:10.53 | Amarande | because, a lot of people who play on PvE servers only do so because *they have no interest whatever in PvP* |
| 19:11.01 | Dagmar | WAit... |
| 19:11.02 | Jamash | not nerfed, removed |
| 19:11.03 | Amarande | durcyn: does this one involve forced PvP like the zombie one did? |
| 19:11.10 | nevcairiel | it was for a couple of days |
| 19:11.14 | Dagmar | durcyn: You say they're going an invasion warm up this time? |
| 19:11.16 | Jamash | I mean in cata |
| 19:11.27 | Dagmar | That could explain WTF was with the fog in Dun Morough last night hten |
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| 19:11.38 | Gnarfoz | nothing has started, yet. |
| 19:11.42 | Amarande | the reasons people disliked the zombie invasion mostly concerned the fact that it forced PvP, and even intra-faction PvP |
| 19:11.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: Suck it up and roll a hunter. ;) |
| 19:11.51 | durcyn | Dagmar: not until 4.0.1 |
| 19:11.56 | Dagmar | It didn't force PVP |
| 19:11.57 | Ressy | that zombie invasion was fun |
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| 19:12.05 | Amarande | A lot of PvE server people hated PvP, and *nobody* ever had intra-faction PvP |
| 19:12.05 | Dagmar | durcyn: Ah well |
| 19:12.06 | Ressy | I turned everything in lower city |
| 19:12.14 | Amarande | or worse, Sanctuary PvP, since it happened in Shattrath too |
| 19:12.15 | Jamash | people who hated the zombie invasion were buttheads |
| 19:12.22 | Kraps | durcyn: i got my friend into wow at that time, questing in northshire was excruciating |
| 19:12.26 | Amarande | The other problem, I believe, had to do with the timing |
| 19:12.33 | nevcairiel | Amarande: it was for a couple of days, nothing game breaking, and certainly fun |
| 19:12.34 | Gnarfoz | <Amarande> then Naaru was removed, and all we got was this stupid zombie invasion that about 75% of players hated :) <-- make that 10% |
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| 19:12.38 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:12.42 | Amarande | On the one hand, it was suitably creepy for the zombie invasion to happen during Halloween |
| 19:12.48 | Fisker | you will die Gnarfoz |
| 19:12.54 | Gnarfoz | but you're on a ranting spree again anyway, so do continue |
| 19:12.56 | Dagmar | The people who had a problem with disease invading cities probably need to go back to playing tiddly winks |
| 19:12.56 | Jamash | I wish we had zombies every year |
| 19:13.06 | Amarande | On the other hand, it was extremely irksome for many players trying to do the Halloween achievements and getting griefed |
| 19:13.09 | Ressy | It was fun talking to the opposite faction after you turned them. |
| 19:13.20 | Jamash | does anyone know of a bug that can cause a perma-ghoul to not respond to any orders and refuse to move? |
| 19:13.22 | Dagmar | Clearly they've not been paying enough attention to the Warcraft games to know that _epic plagues happen_ |
| 19:13.42 | Amarande | Plus there was the people who were unlucky enough to start WoW during the Zombie invasion, I guess, who just really got hammered |
| 19:13.44 | Dagmar | Jamash: Them being stuck on a target that's making them evade bug silently |
| 19:13.46 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: they're pussies, that is all |
| 19:13.52 | Amarande | since at low levels, you're practically forced to stay around cities |
| 19:14.00 | Amarande | and have basically no defense at all from the zombie stuff |
| 19:14.15 | Amarande | and if you're new you probably don't know the ropes well enough to have fun with the zombie stuff either |
| 19:14.20 | durcyn | congratulations to them, they got to participate with lore |
| 19:14.27 | durcyn | suck it up, it's a game, etc etc etc |
| 19:14.51 | Jamash | my ghoul pet bar is grayed out, and relogging doesn't fix it |
| 19:14.57 | Gnarfoz | ty for preventing blizzard from making awesome world events once again |
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| 19:14.59 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 19:15.06 | durcyn | Jamash: live, or? |
| 19:15.08 | Dagmar | Jamash: Greyed out? WTF. Put in a ticket |
| 19:15.14 | Amarande | I'm just glad I love Blood Elves. I never saw Durotar during the zombie invasion and can only imagine what it must have been like :) |
| 19:15.20 | Dagmar | I've never ever seen my ghoul bar grey out |
| 19:15.22 | Jamash | well, it's been happening to me on ptr but it just happened on live |
| 19:15.31 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: like I said, looking forward to Twilight Invasion. :) |
| 19:15.49 | durcyn | are DKs subject to the 'Control Pet' fuckery that hunters and warlocks have to suffer through for 10 levels? |
| 19:15.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: I suppose now would be a good time to go collect some Twiligh Cultist costumes |
| 19:15.59 | Cairenn | crash, crash, crashity-crash-crash |
| 19:16.11 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 19:16.12 | Dagmar | durcyn: They get a control bar from the outset |
| 19:16.13 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: stop throwing dishes around! |
| 19:16.18 | stew-a | i started during the naxx invasion the first time around, and it was suitably confusing as to what exactly was going on, but i don't recall getting an asskicking |
| 19:16.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: Is that a brand-new DK? |
| 19:16.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, I can always use Cenarion Circle rep :) |
| 19:16.21 | kd3|netbook | issues, cairenn? |
| 19:16.22 | Jamash | I think my character might be bugged |
| 19:16.26 | Jamash | no, it's been around for ages |
| 19:16.29 | Cairenn | computer is dying |
| 19:16.30 | Amarande | and the texts sell well, too ;) |
| 19:16.35 | kd3|netbook | oh, blah |
| 19:16.36 | Gnarfoz | stew-a: that was not the subject, though ;) |
| 19:16.39 | kd3|netbook | sad times, that |
| 19:16.45 | Dagmar | Jamash: So definitely not the same sort of "random aggro mode" bullshit hunters get until 10. |
| 19:16.48 | Dagmar | They have GOT to fix that |
| 19:16.51 | Jamash | gonna try resetting my cache |
| 19:17.01 | durcyn | try deleting. |
| 19:17.02 | Amarande | durcyn: what Control Pet stuff? |
| 19:17.02 | Gnarfoz | stew-a: zombie invasion pre-wotlk event, one time only. :( it was so much fun :) |
| 19:17.13 | Dagmar | It's a goddamn nightmare trying to make it from 6 to 10 when your pet repeatedly runs off, aggros the entire western hemisphere, and gets you killed |
| 19:17.14 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: hunters start with pets come 4.0, so... |
| 19:17.15 | Amarande | I've never tried a hunter or lock on the PTR |
| 19:17.20 | durcyn | Amarande: they disabled petbars until level 10 or so, because it's too confusing for new players, or something |
| 19:17.27 | Gnarfoz | oh, pet level |
| 19:17.27 | durcyn | you have to go train "Control Pet" |
| 19:17.29 | Amarande | durcyn: okay, *that* is fail |
| 19:17.34 | durcyn | no, character level |
| 19:17.36 | Jamash | having no petbar from 1-10 and having it on perma defensive sucks |
| 19:17.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: And without the pet bar the old "sets pet state from uninitizalized value" bug comes back out to play |
| 19:17.51 | nevcairiel | Defensive is fine, though |
| 19:17.56 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 19:17.57 | Kraps | http://static.bwerp.net/~adam/2010/07/08/ |
| 19:17.58 | Dagmar | So your pet can go into aggressive mode, and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it |
| 19:18.03 | Amarande | granted, I'm semi-used to uncontrolled pets, since I occasionally use Raise Dead on my Frost DK, but still |
| 19:18.14 | nevcairiel | Jamash: before you didnt have any pet, and defensive is fine |
| 19:18.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: wow, *that* is epic fail |
| 19:18.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes. It's just a damn nightmare from about 6 to 10 |
| 19:18.36 | Amarande | yeah, maybe we're not getting the patch tomorrow :) |
| 19:18.41 | Jamash | five thousand deleted posts? |
| 19:18.42 | nevcairiel | Its just a bug |
| 19:18.45 | Jamash | holy crap |
| 19:18.46 | nevcairiel | doesnt happen to everyone |
| 19:18.51 | nevcairiel | don't crap your pants |
| 19:19.00 | Amarande | although bugs that happen randomly like that are pretty hard to diagnose and repair |
| 19:19.11 | Dagmar | Only newbie hunters and warlocks. |
| 19:19.18 | Amarande | such CNR difficulties may also be related to why they can't fix the Tyrannus or TOC5 buggages |
| 19:19.23 | nevcairiel | warlocks start with a pet bar |
| 19:19.35 | Dagmar | That's not really a great time for someone be to be encountering a bug that gets them killed over and over |
| 19:19.45 | Jamash | nevcairiel: not in cata |
| 19:19.46 | nevcairiel | well actually they get it when they get their imp at lvl 2 |
| 19:19.59 | Dagmar | Wow. F**k warlocks then |
| 19:20.00 | Amarande | at this point I have enough faith in Blizzard to get the impression that the reason they don't fix the Tyrannus bug or the Faction Champions reset bug, isn't that they won't but because they probably can't for some reason |
| 19:20.17 | durcyn | Amarande: i'd expect it next week, seeing as they just pushed an RC build two days ago |
| 19:20.24 | durcyn | not even bobby kotick's that dumb |
| 19:20.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh. my warlock's been 80 since almost when LK came out so I won't see any of this low level stuff :) |
| 19:20.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: That and it's not a big problem. You can just get a fresh start on the fight |
| 19:20.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: on FC, yeah |
| 19:20.43 | nevcairiel | Its funny how everyone goes "fuck them", you guys are all a bit unstable :p |
| 19:20.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah I made a new hunter on the PTR to see how that went. It was a goddamn nightmare |
| 19:20.50 | Jamash | ok, I disabled all my addons, renamed my cache folder and reloaded wow |
| 19:20.58 | Jamash | my ghoul bar is still bugged |
| 19:21.01 | Amarande | on Tyrannus you have to run out or reset the instance if you're on normal |
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| 19:21.21 | Amarande | which is usually a REALLY LONG run, particularly since everyone always leaves the trash between Ick and the instance exit alive :P |
| 19:21.24 | Dagmar | Completely awesomesauce until about level six when I started being asked to go into areas with aggressive mobs, and my pet would run off and make a fucking train just about as soon as I resurrected |
| 19:21.59 | nevcairiel | I'm sure you cursed and insulted Blizzard instead of writing a productive, and well worded, bug report :p |
| 19:22.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Those people are stupid. Battered Hilts drop in there |
| 19:22.11 | Amarande | Often long enough a run that you find that some of the trash near the start of the instance respawned, too. So even if you know to run out, you're still forced to choose to die because everyone else did and you can't solo the mobs to get past them :) |
| 19:22.28 | Fisker | may your stomach explode nevcairiel |
| 19:22.38 | Amarande | Fisker: I'm not sure if nevcairiel tanks Festergut. :) |
| 19:22.41 | durcyn | you're taking two hours in a five-man, you deserve everything you get. |
| 19:22.57 | Amarande | durcyn: the respawn seems to be shorter for some of the trash in PoS |
| 19:22.58 | Lunessa | It never ceases to amaze me how people will try to skip 2/3rds of a dungeon's content and then complain that they "never get drops" |
| 19:23.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: Still, if yuou have any businesss being in there, you shouldn't be taking htat long to clear hte place |
| 19:23.31 | Amarande | I've seen dragon riders or the very first necrolyte/skeletons group repop under such circumstances |
| 19:23.36 | Dagmar | We can *CLEAR THE PLACE* before anything can respawn |
| 19:23.48 | Dagmar | ....and I mean kill each and every mob i nthere |
| 19:23.56 | Amarande | I'm foggy on exactly how long it takes stuff to respawn since you usually don't have to run back from Tyrannus because people don't usually bug it up. :) |
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| 19:24.29 | Amarande | but meh. |
| 19:24.40 | Amarande | like I said, I'm getting the impression now that they *can't* fix that for some reason or other |
| 19:24.45 | Amarande | not really sure why |
| 19:24.49 | durcyn | amarande is apparently just bad at the game, give him a break =P |
| 19:25.02 | Dagmar | Being that I've never had it bug on me and likely neither have a lot of other people? |
| 19:25.18 | Dagmar | I mean, if it's something that only happens when your party is incredibly slow about clearing the place, then yeah |
| 19:25.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: no, I'm talking the one where Tyrannus bugs out if you try to attack him before he hits the tank |
| 19:26.01 | Dagmar | Right, so... what the hell are you doing jumping in before the tank? |
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| 19:26.05 | durcyn | no, it's engaging him before he's actualy active |
| 19:26.10 | Amarande | I don't. Some party members do sometimes. :| |
| 19:26.13 | durcyn | i charged him once on my prot warrior and he bugged |
| 19:26.19 | Dagmar | Yes, those people need to L2p. |
| 19:26.21 | durcyn | apparently was still an inch off the ground |
| 19:26.26 | Amarande | Probability goes up if you have a hunter or especially a shaman in the party. |
| 19:26.33 | Lunessa | those tards who start shooting him while he's still prattling about being more awesome than Nutella on toast? |
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| 19:26.40 | Dagmar | Well, like I said, never had it happen. I play a hunter |
| 19:26.47 | Amarande | Lunessa: the point is, I'm not exactly sure why they don't fix that. |
| 19:26.56 | Amarande | unless they can't without creating some serious issue |
| 19:26.58 | Dagmar | I usually just pop the dragon with the "Gimme manna" shot durin that phase |
| 19:27.05 | Dagmar | Free mana ballon |
| 19:27.10 | Dagmar | er balloon. |
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| 19:27.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: mana balloon ... now you're making me miss Diablo 2 :) |
| 19:27.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: Did you ever file a bug report on it? |
| 19:27.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: I haven't personally, but I'm sure many many people have |
| 19:27.44 | Amarande | plus I'm sure some folks have asked for GMs when it bugs out |
| 19:27.59 | Amarande | Far as I know, this has been the behavior since 3.3.0 |
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| 19:28.11 | Amarande | so I'd really doubt filing a bug report now would be something they don't already know |
| 19:28.12 | Lunessa | You know what would be hilarious? An instance where a boss used internet slang to rag on the party. "You, get offa dese nuts." "LOL, AWESOMESAUCE." |
| 19:28.15 | foxlit | http://www.wow.com |
| 19:28.49 | foxlit | so much for blizzard :P |
| 19:28.58 | Amarande | Anyway, I suspect it's pretty rare for people to bug him up personally now unless it's their first time to PoS |
| 19:29.21 | Amarande | Pet classes are probably the ones likely to have the most issues |
| 19:29.26 | Fisker | huh foxlit ? |
| 19:29.45 | Amarande | And shamans who macro standard totem sets and set them down in range of the tank, particularly if that set includes a damage dealing fire totem |
| 19:30.11 | foxlit | still redirects for you? |
| 19:30.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: So, you've not reported a bug but you want to know why it's not been fixed... |
| 19:30.44 | zenzelezz | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email |
| 19:30.49 | Alram | foxlit, where's it redirecting to for you? |
| 19:30.53 | foxlit | It's not. |
| 19:31.02 | foxlit | AOL still owns the domain; the new content is "Wow provides you and your family with savings at your favorite local and national locations each and every day! Eating, shopping, weekend outings – Wow offers things you want and things you need at a price that make sense for your on-the-go lifestyle." |
| 19:31.08 | foxlit | http://wow.com/wow/index.html |
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| 19:31.18 | Alram | haha |
| 19:31.21 | foxlit | [www redirects, though] |
| 19:31.31 | kd3|netbook | oh, wow. wtf |
| 19:31.33 | Dagmar | So the original bullshit domain returns to it's roots |
| 19:31.50 | foxlit | Totally expected, though |
| 19:32.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: Like I said, not personally, but what's the chance we've gone all the way from 3.3.0 to 3.3.5 without anyone reporting it at all? |
| 19:32.08 | Amarande | ... actually, come to think of it |
| 19:32.10 | Amarande | possibly pretty large |
| 19:32.19 | Dagmar | AOL sucks because it has always sucked, and will probably continue to suck long after humans have left this planet. |
| 19:32.25 | Amarande | 3.3.0 introduced random dungeon PUGs, so probably usually the groups just dissolve and don't bother |
| 19:32.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: I dunno. What are the odds that you didn' report it? |
| 19:32.49 | Dagmar | If very few people report a bug, to QA it looks like _very few people are affected by it_ |
| 19:32.59 | Dagmar | So, if there's a bug you don't like, ALWAYS report it. |
| 19:33.36 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter if two million people know about it, only if a significant number of them report it will anything generally get done on a priority bases |
| 19:33.38 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:33.38 | Dagmar | er basis |
| 19:33.43 | Fisker | i almost feel bad for wowinsider foxlit |
| 19:33.51 | Fisker | anyway why would you think Blizzard got the domain? |
| 19:34.09 | Fisker | This isn't bat country (unlike Denmark where they freely hand out domains to the ones with enough money) |
| 19:34.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: I guess I'm all too used to open source style BRS. Silly commercial software world. :) |
| 19:34.30 | Dagmar | Fisker: When AOL got the domain, it basically was bat country |
| 19:34.52 | Amarande | At least Blizzard cares enough to fix stuff when they get to it, though. |
| 19:34.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Same thing applies to open source. If no one reports a bug, the developers generally won't give a shit |
| 19:35.07 | Fisker | Dagmar over here someone was reassigned a domain because that particular domain was not used for any external website |
| 19:35.19 | Dagmar | Fisker: Good for them |
| 19:35.23 | Fisker | no |
| 19:35.24 | Fisker | very bad |
| 19:35.54 | Jamash | "external" |
| 19:35.56 | Amarande | Not like, say, ATI, which has considered "logging out of X locks the kernel hard" to be a minor low priority bug for years now. ;) |
| 19:36.32 | Amarande | Which is, mind you, one reason I will never ever use an ATI card again. |
| 19:36.51 | Dagmar | That would be because ATI has decided that Linux users are an extreme minority and are only worth the time of two coders, three days a month. |
| 19:36.56 | Dagmar | ...and because ATI are assholes. |
| 19:37.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm going to say the latter, since it's been like two or three years and at least one major release step since the bug was first reported and, to my knowledge, it *still isn't fixed* |
| 19:37.26 | stew-a | did blizzard ever fix that thing in BWL where the mobs never stop coming after the first boss? :P |
| 19:37.43 | Amarande | stew: I've never been to BWL, so I'm not sure how that bug plays out :( |
| 19:38.00 | Jamash | I was in UBRS the other day and we bugged the arena |
| 19:38.01 | Amarande | the only old world raids I've actually seen are AQ40 and ZG |
| 19:38.07 | Amarande | well, and UBRS, if we can call that a "raid" still |
| 19:38.09 | stew-a | oh its very simple, you kill the first boss and neverending waves of mobs continue to spawn until you all get out or wipe :P |
| 19:38.17 | Amarande | that's pretty much an easyish 5-man once you have outland gear basically :P |
| 19:38.28 | Amarande | Jamash: That one is common |
| 19:38.32 | Jamash | very common |
| 19:38.33 | Amarande | It seems to be related to overgearedness |
| 19:38.34 | kd3|netbook | rend is easy to bug out. to avoid it: don't attack him until gyth is dead. |
| 19:38.39 | Jamash | even after a million years |
| 19:39.17 | Amarande | However, I'm pretty sure Blizzard doesn't really consider misbehaved stuff caused by doing things way above intended level/gear to be priority bugs |
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| 19:39.45 | Amarande | Just like there's no love for those of us going back for Loremaster and trying to do quests that require you to get mobs down below X% HP and then use X item on them |
| 19:39.58 | kd3|netbook | take off your weapon and melee |
| 19:40.00 | kd3|netbook | easy |
| 19:40.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like I said, it doesn't matter how old a bug is or how many people know about it. Not one bit. What matters is how many people report it. |
| 19:40.12 | Amarande | kd3: doesn't really help that much at high end gear |
| 19:40.23 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I do 1100 a hit with a horde lance :) |
| 19:40.26 | Dagmar | It's the only way QA people can estimate the seriousness of a bug. |
| 19:40.34 | Jamash | take off you clothes and melee |
| 19:40.34 | Dagmar | I know of a bug that's far, far older than that and has never been fixed. |
| 19:40.35 | Jamash | easy |
| 19:40.46 | Dagmar | It's game breaking for this one tiny little area, and just about no one gives a shit. |
| 19:40.49 | Amarande | yeah, for that quest (poison for the ravasaur chain) I had to go full on naked blood elf |
| 19:41.16 | Amarande | you know, sometimes it's good to be a blood elf, given the general ugly nature of the rest of the horde races LOL |
| 19:41.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: what is it? |
| 19:41.38 | Fisker | i will take off your clothes kd3|netbook |
| 19:42.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: THe downed blimp with the goblin girl next to it in the swamps west of Theramore |
| 19:42.12 | Dagmar | YOu use a ray gun to eliminate oozes. |
| 19:42.16 | Dagmar | It's a channeled spell. |
| 19:42.18 | kd3|netbook | oh I hated that quest |
| 19:42.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: oh yeah, I remember that quest |
| 19:42.35 | Dagmar | You target an ooze within range, use gun, wait for spell to complete, ooze despawns. |
| 19:42.35 | Amarande | wasn't too bad, never really bugged up on me in any notable way that I saw |
| 19:42.40 | durcyn | why would you hate that quest, it takes 45 seconds |
| 19:42.41 | Dagmar | However... |
| 19:42.51 | Amarande | although the oozes really are a pain in the ass if you have to fight them normally :S |
| 19:43.16 | Dagmar | If you, during the channeling, target ANOTHER ooze, it will despawn _that_ ooze no matter what the range, and it will not trigger a cooldown on the gun. |
| 19:43.20 | durcyn | Dagmar: when the channel finishes, it despawns whatever you're targetting, yep |
| 19:43.27 | durcyn | Dagmar: same deal with the brewfest elekk zapping |
| 19:43.28 | Amarande | ahh, so it's a bug that only benefits you if you abuse it, then |
| 19:43.30 | Dagmar | durcyn: I tried targeting a nearby player. :) |
| 19:43.36 | kd3|netbook | all of the channel item quests do that |
| 19:43.37 | Ackis | Today, I found out my older brother put tanning lotion in the lotion I use to masturbate with. Now I have orange palms and an orange penis which won't go away for weeks. FML lol |
| 19:43.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: wait, you can remove PLAYERS from the world with that? |
| 19:43.41 | kd3|netbook | say... the brewfest one |
| 19:43.42 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 19:43.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but it's technically game-breaking there, but no one gives a crap |
| 19:44.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: I wish. I wanted to see what would happen because I'm that kinda guy |
| 19:44.14 | Dagmar | Doesn't work on critters or NPCs either |
| 19:44.18 | durcyn | no, it only works on the oozes (or elekks) |
| 19:44.21 | Amarande | Dagmar, do you work in software dev yet :) |
| 19:44.24 | durcyn | the spell isn't that badly coded |
| 19:44.38 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:44.38 | Dagmar | it's jus that it's final check is being done in the wrong place |
| 19:44.49 | Fisker | you are a bad person |
| 19:44.54 | Amarande | Yeah, that's definitely a bug. |
| 19:44.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: I've been breaking things longer than you'd believe. ;) |
| 19:45.12 | Amarande | especially since changing targets while channelling works elsewhere as it should, allowing you to pick your next target early |
| 19:45.27 | Amarande | (from what I understand, you used to basically HAVE to take advantage of that to go beyond 225 first aid ...) |
| 19:45.44 | Dagmar | You are casting the spell then, tho. In these cases, a gadget in your posession is casting the spell |
| 19:45.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: No you didn't. |
| 19:46.09 | durcyn | it's more to do with the first aid channel being coded differently |
| 19:46.13 | Dagmar | You just had to *not suck* at triage. |
| 19:46.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: if you wanted to do it without tearing your hair out, anyway. Triage, from what I've read on Thottbot, used to be a LOT harder in vanilla. |
| 19:46.34 | Dagmar | I did it then. |
| 19:46.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: Alliance or Horde? |
| 19:46.43 | Dagmar | I know what triage means, so it was just mildlly hard. |
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| 19:46.50 | durcyn | triage was semi hard back in 2005, but only if you sucked at positioning your camera or using nameplates |
| 19:46.53 | Amarande | From what I also read, apparently Horde had it a lot easier than Alliance |
| 19:47.06 | Dagmar | If, however, you're a fucking moron like a lot of people, you think triage means that you click on the first guy that spawns, wait for him to get better, then click on the worst guy that appears |
| 19:47.09 | durcyn | even the original alliance version, you could just stand in one place and click ten times for victory |
| 19:47.26 | Amarande | Primarily because as horde, it appears that you've always been able to stand so you can see and target all the beds |
| 19:47.28 | Dagmar | If you actually know what triage means, you will switch targets to the worst case you see |
| 19:47.33 | Amarande | while Alliance has an awkwardly placed bed. |
| 19:47.38 | Dagmar | ...and you will breeze through that test. |
| 19:47.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: indeed. |
| 19:47.47 | Amarande | you know, I have to wonder now |
| 19:47.52 | Amarande | did they used to not all spawn in at once for the initial set? |
| 19:48.03 | Amarande | every time I did Triage, I seem to remember the first set of patients all spawned at once |
| 19:48.09 | Dagmar | Nope. it was whack-a-mole and you had to move a bit as Alliance |
| 19:48.15 | Amarande | then new ones spawned in after one died or was healed |
| 19:48.32 | Amarande | but it was 2.3 when I first did that |
| 19:49.05 | Amarande | (don't know if it's any different from 2.2 when I first played WoW, but my only pre-2.3 was a healer anyway so I didn't really bother with bandages) |
| 19:49.38 | Kraps | Soul Calibur has tournys? |
| 19:50.04 | SqueeG | Triage was easy |
| 19:50.13 | Dagmar | ^5 |
| 19:50.36 | Dagmar | It's easy *now* |
| 19:50.51 | Dagmar | It used to be that you could actually be doing things correctly and still fail (although it wasn't often) |
| 19:50.56 | Amarande | Kraps: every fighting game has had tourneys |
| 19:50.59 | Dagmar | Such is the nature of triage. |
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| 19:51.17 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples cairenn quite well, and hands cairenn to shirik |
| 19:51.36 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 19:51.39 | SqueeG | No |
| 19:51.42 | SqueeG | Triage WAS easy |
| 19:51.43 | jnwhiteh | three glasses of wine and a cocktail, check. |
| 19:51.48 | jnwhiteh | revamp of Clique, in-progress. |
| 19:51.53 | SqueeG | I did it in vanilla several times |
| 19:52.12 | Mirrormn | what could you need to fix about Clique =O |
| 19:52.17 | Dagmar | SqueeG: I'd disagree that any quest you could do correctly and still fail should be called "easy" |
| 19:52.24 | SqueeG | lol |
| 19:52.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I think a lot of WoW players are probably allergic to "fail by random chance" design :) |
| 19:52.32 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: make it work for cataclysm |
| 19:52.33 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: dont drink and drive your editor! |
| 19:52.37 | jnwhiteh | and there's quite a revamp to be done |
| 19:52.43 | durcyn | then you weren't doing it correctly, Dagmar |
| 19:52.45 | SqueeG | failing typically seemed like bum luck |
| 19:52.47 | jnwhiteh | if you're interested in answering some questions for me, hop into #clique |
| 19:52.47 | Mirrormn | oh, they broke the underlying api, huh |
| 19:53.00 | SqueeG | all of a sudden you'd get a ton of beds filled with serious cases and just ... give up |
| 19:53.04 | Mirrormn | what type of questions? |
| 19:53.05 | Dagmar | durcyn: I actually was doing it correctly. Four critical guys up at once means you're not saving them all |
| 19:53.15 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: about how Clique is going to wind up =) |
| 19:53.29 | durcyn | Dagmar: you only have to get 10/15, last i checked |
| 19:53.40 | Mirrormn | cool, Clique is one of my favorite addons |
| 19:53.49 | Mirrormn | although I don't use it much anymore... |
| 19:53.50 | Dagmar | durcyn: But if you werne't willing to drop what you were doing to attend to a new critical patient, you could and would fail it several times |
| 19:53.56 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 19:53.59 | jnwhiteh | Mirrormn: what do you use instead? |
| 19:54.09 | Mirrormn | I used to play priest, used it for healing |
| 19:54.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: things where you can fail by pure random chance without a single mistake having been made and without there being any reasonable way to mitigate that chance tend to be hated universally :) |
| 19:54.18 | jnwhiteh | ah gotcha, don't heal anymore? |
| 19:54.18 | Mirrormn | then switched to mage, no need for it anymore |
| 19:54.26 | Mirrormn | and then lately I've played my priest less and less |
| 19:54.27 | Amarande | Unless they're a JRPG secret boss anyway ... then it's expected. :) |
| 19:54.38 | jnwhiteh | gotcha |
| 19:54.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah an unavoidable fail on that wasn't particularly common, and if you were doing it right you woudln't have it happen twice |
| 19:54.42 | Mirrormn | I did actually use it on my DK, though, for combat |
| 19:54.51 | Mirrormn | my dirty little secret |
| 19:54.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, so sounds like more like Mot, then. |
| 19:54.58 | kd3|netbook | still uses clique |
| 19:55.01 | kd3|netbook | yay decuse spam |
| 19:55.05 | kd3|netbook | decurse* |
| 19:55.08 | Amarande | although anyone who'd ever had Mot cheap out on them the way he can probably got PISSED, too :) |
| 19:55.14 | Amarande | I've seen videos of it |
| 19:55.15 | Mirrormn | oh yeah, actually |
| 19:55.17 | foxlit | Tehee |
| 19:55.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: ever play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne? |
| 19:55.30 | foxlit | I got a "WHY DOESN'T IT DO THIS" comment on one of my addons yesterday |
| 19:55.33 | Mirrormn | I still use clique for the odd decurse on deathwhisper or halion |
| 19:55.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: I do not play sadistic J-games |
| 19:55.50 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.51 | foxlit | It was followed up by a "Oh, there's an option, but I don't know why you called it that?" about 30 minutes later |
| 19:55.53 | Amarande | ah. |
| 19:55.54 | Amarande | well, anyways |
| 19:55.55 | foxlit | And now they're both gone. |
| 19:56.04 | foxlit | <3 Not replying immediately. |
| 19:56.18 | Mirrormn | cheeky. |
| 19:56.20 | Lunessa | Ahem, Curse, you Curse.com for eating my guild site in your quest to consume WoWstead. |
| 19:56.31 | Amarande | in one of the later dungeons in that game there was this boss called Mot, this guy who basically looked like a coffin that occasionally opened and sent out a black mummy like hand when taking actions |
| 19:56.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: I am still a little embarassed that Megaten actually suckered me into thinking it was different |
| 19:57.16 | Amarande | First of all, Mot was difficult to deal damage to, since he was only weak to Electric (and chances are you didn't have a full party that could all use Electric), was heavily resistant to physical, and pretty much immune to everything else. |
| 19:57.44 | Xtek | Lunessa, what's the problem? |
| 19:57.48 | Amarande | Well, other than Almighty. Only two creatures in the game have any resistance at all to Almighty, and Mot isn't one of them. |
| 19:58.03 | Amarande | This wasn't really the problem though. The problem was his skill set. |
| 19:58.06 | Dagmar | Sounds like standard pokemon battle fare to me |
| 19:58.07 | Lunessa | my domain is dumping to wowstead.com and my site seems to have vanished. |
| 19:58.33 | Dagmar | When they get a "you all die now" spell is when I quit |
| 19:58.41 | SqueeG | i fucking hate ashenvale |
| 19:58.46 | Amarande | Among his skill set was a spell that gives him extra turns (note that you can never get this spell for yourself - only bosses and a few regular mobs have it), the magic attack buff spell, and Megidolaon, the strongest all-target almighty element spell. |
| 19:58.53 | Kraps | "beautiful world, beautiful girls, utterly addictive gameplay" lolololololo |
| 19:59.14 | Amarande | It was rare, but every now and then you hear tales of how Mot would suddenly, without warning (it's not an enrage/berserk, nor is he programmed to below certain HP - it's totally random) |
| 19:59.45 | Amarande | start chaining the extra-turns and magic buff spells until he was maxed out (buffs only stack x4 in Nocturne), grab a couple more extra turns, and then spam Megidolaon (which you can't block in any way) till you die. |
| 20:00.24 | Amarande | Bishamon in one of the optional dungeons can do this too, and there it's even WORSE, because 1) there is no save point in that dungeon, and 2) he has 20,000 HP, so he's much more likely to get a chance to. |
| 20:01.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: generally, "you all die now" spells in MegaTen need that you need to acquire Death resistance or immunity and try again ... this one is just cheapness :) |
| 20:02.11 | Amarande | Also, most of the actual all-instant-kill spells have pretty crappy chances of connecting on any given target, IIRC the higher tier one of the two normal ones has only a 30% per target |
| 20:02.27 | Amarande | Though on the bad side, most MegaTen games follow the We Cannot Go On Without You trope. |
| 20:02.58 | Amarande | So that's basically a 30% (well, 15% usually in Nocturne, since unless the main is weak to Death he has inherent half resistance) of a Game Over each time. |
| 20:03.50 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026377421&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 20:04.41 | Amarande | wait, "now that cataclysm has an official release date" |
| 20:04.44 | Amarande | *must check.* |
| 20:05.00 | durcyn | man, you don't read much do you. |
| 20:05.16 | Amarande | 12/7. |
| 20:05.34 | Amarande | durcyn: I don't read the WoW news sites all that often lately, no |
| 20:05.41 | Kraps | what durcyn said |
| 20:05.47 | Amarande | not unless I actually hear there actually is a release date now, or unless I'm looking to find out what's new for my class |
| 20:06.00 | Dagmar | 12/7? I've never heard that date |
| 20:06.15 | Dewin | it's official |
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| 20:06.35 | Amarande | I'm liking the T11 set bonuses for DPS DK. |
| 20:06.38 | Dagmar | Yeah now that I'm searching it looks like that's new news |
| 20:06.45 | foxlit | Should've released on... |
| 20:06.45 | Dewin | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?101004 |
| 20:06.46 | Amarande | Except that I'm boggled by the fact that it gives a bonus to ... death coil? |
| 20:06.46 | foxlit | ~22/7 |
| 20:06.46 | purl | 3.142857142857 |
| 20:06.47 | Kraps | same goes to you Dagmar! |
| 20:06.49 | Dagmar | http://www.socaltech.com/blizzard_sets_world_of_warcraft_cataclysm_release_date/s-0031436.html |
| 20:06.50 | Amarande | Death Coil?! |
| 20:07.21 | Dagmar | You think that set should be special and more potent than everyone else's? |
| 20:07.29 | Dagmar | I know you're using Death Coil |
| 20:07.36 | Amarande | not very often though :) |
| 20:07.40 | Amarande | hmm where do I use Death Coil |
| 20:07.48 | Dagmar | Yeah well, that's the way everyone else's bonuses are |
| 20:08.12 | Amarande | on Marrowgar to do some extra damage on the go during Bone Storm, on PP to get some extra damage in on orange oozes before it's safe to melee them, on Valithria for some adds that you really really don't want to be in melee with |
| 20:08.16 | Dagmar | "2-piecve bonus: One of your abilities which accounts for 5% or less of your DPS may now crit." |
| 20:08.18 | Amarande | that's about it :) |
| 20:08.24 | Amarande | Ah. |
| 20:08.33 | Amarande | I didn't look at the other class stuff, except I think I looked at the priest healer stuff and it was good. |
| 20:08.41 | Dagmar | "4-piece bonus: One of your abilities which accounts for 10% or less of your DPS will now hit for marginally more." |
| 20:09.04 | Amarande | 4pt11 looks like pure love for Disc. |
| 20:09.17 | foxlit | Are you expecting "4-piece bonus: you now do 9001% more damage"? |
| 20:09.19 | Dagmar | It's like _just_ enough boost to make it worth keeping a 2-piece bonus instead of getting all the "just slightly higher" pieces with no set bonus |
| 20:09.41 | Amarande | In fact, seeing as you *only* get Penance if you're Disc, I expect Holy priests to complain about T11 while I squee over it. ;) |
| 20:09.42 | foxlit | On the other hand, I'm probably only seeing half of this conversation, so nevermind me :) |
| 20:09.48 | Dagmar | ...and enough to make it worth getting to the 4-piece bonus before moving on to populating with the next tier up |
| 20:10.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, something that was kind of lacking in LK |
| 20:10.10 | Amarande | there were only pretty much a few specific set bonuses that were omgkeepers |
| 20:10.20 | Amarande | 4pt9 for Affliction comes to mind, for instance |
| 20:10.28 | Dagmar | None of htem are supposed to be "omgkeepers" |
| 20:10.53 | Dagmar | They're supposed to make just enough sense that you will get them to at least the two piece stage while you gear up |
| 20:11.05 | Dagmar | Otherwise they'd become a tier you could just easily skip entirely |
| 20:11.19 | Amarande | I'm glad I don't raid on the warlock since it'd be a really hard thing to figure out which ICC pieces are actually worth giving up 4pt9 for. :) |
| 20:11.31 | Dagmar | I could have told you last night but I can't remember |
| 20:11.33 | Amarande | Dagmar, you mean like how nobody ever bothers buying the T8 pieces with badges anymore :) |
| 20:11.57 | Amarande | The thing about T9 on Affliction in particular is that you get a full-on 10% damage boost to both Corruption AND UA |
| 20:12.00 | Kraps | Amarande: it affects Chakra too |
| 20:12.11 | Kraps | which you only get as holy |
| 20:12.28 | Amarande | ah. |
| 20:12.36 | Amarande | it's been so long since I specced holy that I don't remember much of its stuff |
| 20:12.50 | SqueeG | ashenvale is.... being burned to the groud right? :D |
| 20:12.51 | Mirrormn | oh jeez, gtx 460 786mb for $130 |
| 20:12.51 | Amarande | other than CoH, which used to be the main reason nobody specced Disc in BC except for PvP |
| 20:12.58 | Mirrormn | that's going to be tough not to buy |
| 20:12.59 | Amarande | and of course failwell |
| 20:13.11 | Amarande | well, I guess I can't really knock Blizzard for designing lightwell |
| 20:13.21 | Kraps | SqueeG: more like twisted beyond recognition |
| 20:13.26 | Amarande | it seems like the sort of thing that *could* have been useful, but you'll basically never ever get a group who knows to use it right :P |
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| 20:13.36 | SqueeG | as long as it's easier to traverse... i'll be happy |
| 20:13.50 | SqueeG | i fucking hate running from point A to B as it is D:< |
| 20:13.51 | Kraps | i hate the NE areas anyway |
| 20:14.17 | Amarande | Kraps: <3 ashenvale being burned to the ground. :) |
| 20:14.19 | Kraps | need a fucking flashlight go get around |
| 20:14.30 | Amarande | Finally revenge for poor Amarelya. |
| 20:14.53 | Amarande | I still remember, three plus years ago, my very first WoW character, a blood elf priest, I go to Ashenvale to do questing at my level |
| 20:15.02 | Amarande | and at that point, I don't know anything much about Alliance apart from that my guild mates hate it |
| 20:15.19 | Amarande | so I innocently am following the road to get west and get to Zoram Strand, since being still in the lower part of the level range for the zone I figure it's safer ... |
| 20:15.26 | Amarande | ... and then I get wtfpwned by level 40 night elf guards. |
| 20:15.29 | Amarande | DIE ASTRANAAR. |
| 20:16.27 | Amarande | Not to mention even as Alliance, I'm not that big a fan of Astranaar. |
| 20:16.39 | Dewin | Astranaar is win for one reason and one reason alione. |
| 20:16.44 | Amarande | Dewin: what's that? |
| 20:16.46 | Dewin | My typing... is not that reason. |
| 20:17.01 | Dewin | Dartol's Rod of Transformation, of course. |
| 20:18.09 | Amarande | I can't remember that item. |
| 20:18.18 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/27026477382/update-for-tomorrow |
| 20:18.19 | Dewin | It's the one that turns you into a firbolg |
| 20:18.22 | Alram | Dartol's Rod of Transformation |
| 20:18.23 | Alram | RIP |
| 20:18.25 | Alram | :( |
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| 20:18.50 | Dewin | Yeah, I'll be glad I have one on a few characters beforehand |
| 20:19.04 | Dewin | They made it easier to keep too -- you now don't lose it upon completing the quest. |
| 20:19.38 | Alram | Yeah, except you can only use it in Ashenvale now :( |
| 20:19.43 | Dewin | Wrong. |
| 20:19.50 | Alram | (In Cataclysm) |
| 20:20.04 | Amarande | oh, speaking of cata changes |
| 20:20.09 | Amarande | Ravasaur mount chain for Horde. Gone, or not gone? |
| 20:20.14 | kd3|netbook | not gone |
| 20:20.17 | Dagmar | Kraps: Tthat there's what we call a noob |
| 20:20.20 | kd3|netbook | why would it? |
| 20:20.21 | Amarande | kd3: squee. :) |
| 20:20.30 | Amarande | a number of folks weren't sure if Un'Goro was changing in ways that would cause it to go away |
| 20:20.31 | Dewin | Alram: That rod keeps going back and forth between its tooltip saying it's only useable in ashenvale |
| 20:20.39 | Dewin | but it's never been only useable in ashenvale |
| 20:20.50 | Dewin | I guess I could fire up beta and go check |
| 20:20.51 | kd3|netbook | they've said repeatedly that long, difficult quest chains are not getting messed with |
| 20:20.57 | Xyphoid | you haven't lost the rod on completing the quest in a while |
| 20:20.58 | kd3|netbook | ravasaur/wintersaber, insane, etc... |
| 20:21.04 | Amarande | kd3: AQ40? :) |
| 20:21.10 | Alram | From what I heard it's not working anymore outside of ashenvale |
| 20:21.24 | Amarande | I heard they were removing the AQ40 one, but that might be rumor also |
| 20:21.26 | kd3|netbook | aq40 doesn't make sense in the current timeline |
| 20:21.34 | kd3|netbook | it's gone. was gone the very first build of alpha |
| 20:21.40 | kd3|netbook | the chain, at least |
| 20:21.48 | Amarande | Any point to spending 5,000g on the Chimaerok Chops recipe in Cata, or is that island where you get the meat entirely gone as well like I've heard? |
| 20:22.05 | kd3|netbook | the island's under about 50 feet of water |
| 20:22.11 | Amarande | ah. so not worth it then :) |
| 20:22.17 | Amarande | which means that my Chef is basically complete then |
| 20:22.28 | Amarande | since the only recipes she's missing are that and Thistle Tea, which she can't get because she's not a rogue |
| 20:23.18 | Dagmar | No better way of telling everyone you've only been playing aobut a year like complaining that it's completely unacceptable to have your class revamped |
| 20:25.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: forum QQ? |
| 20:25.17 | Amarande | I'm rather looking forward to the nifty new class changes myself :) |
| 20:25.38 | Dagmar | They've done it with pretty much every expansion now |
| 20:25.47 | Amarande | Really the only thing that bothers me about it is that raiding is going to be really hit and miss with everyone still getting used to the new mechanics, and we're literally *AT* the Lich King attempt stage in our guild |
| 20:26.01 | Dagmar | So pick up the pace. You've got two weeks to kill him |
| 20:26.06 | Amarande | Hopefully he goes down tonight. :) |
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| 20:27.13 | Amarande | I guess if I played a couple of particular classes/builds I might feel the class changes were against me though. But all loveliness fades. :) |
| 20:27.28 | Amarande | Mainly, from what I've heard, ret paladins and most shamans are getting the worst of it. |
| 20:27.49 | Amarande | Of course, you wouldn't catch me dead playing Ret, but I *do* plan to roll a Goblin Shaman at Cata. |
| 20:28.45 | Amarande | I suspect shamans get the worst of it because they have the most abilities that run afoul of Blizzard's new dispel paradigms |
| 20:29.20 | Amarande | They have abolish-type effects like Cleansing Totem, and also apparently lose a dispel in the drive to bring healing classes into balance in terms of what they can purge |
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| 20:29.49 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:29.53 | Amarande | Oh yeah, and Deathclasp is going to *suck* in Cata. But I've said that before. :) |
| 20:30.36 | Kraps | elemental getting thunderstorm is kinda meh |
| 20:30.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: which class was complaining, btw? |
| 20:31.20 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:31.51 | Amarande | so far I've really only looked a little into warlock and priest and a fair bit into DK, and I like what I sees. |
| 20:32.59 | Amarande | well, and know about the various shaman stuff that's going bye bye, but since Cata will be my first serious shaman experience since BC, I'll only be really seeing the new stuff |
| 20:33.18 | Amarande | the ret stuff I've heard is basically just talk about "rets got nerfed pretty bad in 4.0" |
| 20:33.55 | Amarande | and like I said ... I'd not be caught dead playing ret. I haven't played Pally since BC, but I *loved* the Prot playstyle and expect that any new pallies I ever make will be tanks as well. |
| 20:35.00 | Xyphoid | Kraps: i dunno, getting a knockback at level 10 is pretty fun |
| 20:37.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: oh, to get back to hunters, what I was going to say earlier is that level 6-10 can suck on almost any class, especially 8-9 |
| 20:37.53 | Amarande | actually, 8-9 may be easier even with an unruly pet |
| 20:39.02 | nevcairiel | 1-10 is not hard on any class |
| 20:39.08 | nevcairiel | if it is, you're doing it wrong |
| 20:39.29 | nevcairiel | (or something is bugged, wrt to pet issue) |
| 20:39.30 | Kraps | nevcairiel: takes forever though |
| 20:39.37 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 20:39.42 | nevcairiel | an hour or so |
| 20:39.47 | Amarande | nev: 8-9 on hunters can be somewhat of a pain |
| 20:39.56 | Amarande | the mobs are starting to hit harder, but you're still forced to melee for most of it |
| 20:41.34 | Amarande | that or kite, I guess. but I usually do 1-12 in Eversong, and kiting in places like the Dead Scar (which is mostly where those levels are particularly painful) is dangerous |
| 20:41.39 | nevcairiel | forced to melee? |
| 20:41.41 | nevcairiel | i never had that |
| 20:41.52 | Amarande | nevcairiel: because you don't have the pet to hold mobs off of you until 10, despite being expected to be a ranged class |
| 20:42.03 | Amarande | speaking of live, anyway |
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| 20:42.05 | nevcairiel | i'm like 20 and mobs die before the reach me |
| 20:42.08 | nevcairiel | the pet is mostly useless :P |
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| 20:42.46 | Amarande | maybe it's not the levels then |
| 20:42.51 | Amarande | maybe it's that the dead scar just sucks :) |
| 20:43.17 | Xyphoid | have you considered kiting into places that aren't filled with fresh mobs? |
| 20:43.19 | Amarande | especially the hard-to-see dark gray on dark gray terrain ghosts (which, of course, are also the mobs that hit the hardest in that area :P) |
| 20:43.39 | nevcairiel | enable mob names |
| 20:43.45 | nevcairiel | red names are good to see |
| 20:44.40 | Kraps | i should totally just play a goblin on beta since im bored and i wont play one on live for a long time if ever |
| 20:44.43 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I'm trying to think now of how the mobs are distributed in Eversong and where that's an option |
| 20:44.55 | zenzelezz | cairenn: http://gallery.unita.it/special/fotodelgiorno/photo/20090425/gatto%20bucarest.jpg |
| 20:45.42 | Amarande | Xyphoid: it might be more of an option in Durotar, where the mobs seem to be sparser |
| 20:45.51 | Amarande | been forever since I've been to Mulgore other than TB, so I'm foggy on that area totally |
| 20:45.59 | Xyphoid | i've played a hunter through eversong |
| 20:46.11 | Amarande | Xyphoid: how do you handle dead scar? |
| 20:46.15 | Kraps | what class should i play? |
| 20:46.18 | Amarande | I usually end up with the "die a lot" strategy |
| 20:46.20 | Amarande | Kraps: Shaman. |
| 20:46.26 | Xyphoid | i shooted mobs and they died |
| 20:46.47 | Amarande | Xyphoid: also, the last time I did Eversong as a hunter was a long time ago, and I definitely didn't have things like the heirloom bow I do now |
| 20:46.55 | Xyphoid | like, when you kill one mob, that's space to kite the next one in |
| 20:46.58 | Amarande | it's probably going to go really easy with the BoA |
| 20:47.22 | Amarande | oh, right! that reminds me |
| 20:47.24 | Xyphoid | but you can just shoot shoot shoot melee and things die |
| 20:47.35 | Amarande | is cata going to bring back, say, an actually decent selection of *bows* past 80? |
| 20:47.46 | Amarande | or is Azeroth simply technologically evolving into crossbows and guns and bows are becoming an old thing? |
| 20:48.56 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/items=2.2?filter=qu=3:4;minle=174;maxle=284;si=2;ub=3#0-2+1 |
| 20:49.05 | alestane | Umm..... http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21148.html |
| 20:49.12 | Amarande | I can't believe that's ALL the 174+ bows. |
| 20:49.27 | Amarande | There's far more guns, and even crossbows are more accessible. :) |
| 20:49.40 | Kraps | sup trees |
| 20:49.42 | kd3|netbook | alestane; lol |
| 20:50.47 | Amarande | kd3, is there a good item reference up for beta yet? |
| 20:50.54 | kd3|netbook | item reference? |
| 20:51.00 | kd3|netbook | dungeon drops? |
| 20:51.05 | kd3|netbook | probably not |
| 20:51.12 | kd3|netbook | I need to start doing the dungeon thing at some point |
| 20:51.27 | Amarande | Yeah, dungeon drops mainly |
| 20:51.31 | Amarande | Like I said, I was wondering if it's going to be all about the X-bows and guns again. :) |
| 20:51.44 | Amarande | or if that was just a Northrend foible |
| 20:52.19 | Ackis | the way I peel my oranges resembles cock and balls |
| 20:52.21 | Ackis | Fisker: ^ |
| 20:52.53 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:53.07 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: what the hell are you on about, exactly? there's 23 bows, 24 xbows, 35 guns, according to the very wowhead link you posted |
| 20:53.07 | Amarande | Ackis, are you completely smashed from the Brewfest Brew? :) |
| 20:53.19 | Gnarfoz | that's totally neither here nor there |
| 20:53.26 | Gnarfoz | and certainly not "only xbows and guns" |
| 20:53.33 | Ackis | Amarande: nope haven't logged in for brewfest |
| 20:53.35 | Fisker | didn't know your cock was so small and your balls so large Ackis |
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| 20:53.53 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: not just that there's more guns, the fact that the guns are also FAR more accessible |
| 20:54.02 | Gnarfoz | who gives a shit about accessible? |
| 20:54.24 | Gnarfoz | if anything, that means bows are better than guns |
| 20:55.04 | Amarande | I'm wondering if that was just a foible, or if that's a lore change, i.e., Azeroth is evolving technologically so bows are getting old :) |
| 20:55.10 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 20:55.17 | Kraps | second quest, something already explodes. impressive. |
| 20:55.27 | Gnarfoz | you're wondering MANY MANY strange things all the time. |
| 20:55.29 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:56.05 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it really won't matter much other than aesthetically/RPishly after 4.0 anyways. :) |
| 20:56.15 | Amarande | After all, no more ammo and no more grinding weapon skills |
| 20:56.16 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't matter /now/ |
| 20:56.26 | Gnarfoz | besides the sound, possibly |
| 20:56.52 | Xyphoid | guns are superior since they reduce your visible profile in pvp! or something |
| 20:57.08 | Kraps | dont tase me mon |
| 20:57.31 | Amarande | And at least the 5-man epic bow is from REGULAR HoR. :) |
| 20:57.44 | Amarande | I could see a slight amount of pain if 3.x was going on a lot longer and it was HHoR. |
| 20:58.03 | Amarande | Mainly: Scenario: you level to 80 using the BoA bow (so you never ground gun skill at all because you never had any reason to use anything but your boa) |
| 20:59.29 | Amarande | Then you get stuck because the BoA bow keeps you from meeting ICC5 gear requirements and you have 1 in guns. |
| 20:59.59 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it |
| 20:59.59 | Amarande | can you even queue for regular 80 heroics with any BoA or do you get told "SORRY NOT ENOUGH GEAR" there too? |
| 21:00.07 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 21:00.19 | Gnarfoz | sorry, but I've got to change channels or I'm going to go mad |
| 21:00.39 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: you cant stop the train |
| 21:00.47 | Amarande | heh. maybe we should blame BoA for that. :) |
| 21:01.04 | Amarande | back in the days before BoA, you actually usually switched weapons every now and then while leveling, so you didn't HAVE to grind weapon skills out from scratch |
| 21:01.19 | Gnarfoz | it's rather obvious it's not BoA that's to blame. *cough*. |
| 21:01.20 | Amarande | however, 4.0 will cure that. :) |
| 21:02.32 | Ackis | http://www.fable3kingmaker.com/ is that mobile only or can you play it via teh webs? |
| 21:03.06 | Amarande | not to mention I had the filter wrong |
| 21:03.11 | Amarande | it's 16 bows, 17 crossbows, 28 guns :) |
| 21:03.15 | Amarande | I forgot to add "available to players" |
| 21:03.23 | Amarande | since a lot of those are PvP previous season stuff that no longer is |
| 21:03.28 | nicoli_s | ackis:i can access it, not sure i can do anything |
| 21:03.33 | Amarande | still seems an awful lot of guns, though. what's with that? |
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| 21:04.10 | Gnarfoz | NOTHING is with that |
| 21:04.11 | Gnarfoz | man |
| 21:04.13 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
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| 21:04.18 | nicoli_s | whoa |
| 21:04.25 | nicoli_s | someone made gnarfoz mad |
| 21:04.30 | Ackis | nicoli_s: I don't have silverlight :( |
| 21:04.35 | Ackis | ~Amarande++ |
| 21:04.38 | nicoli_s | Ackis:get it |
| 21:04.45 | Ackis | can't |
| 21:04.50 | Ackis | corporate IT sec policy |
| 21:05.05 | Amarande | Ackis: lemme guess, they'll let you use flash though :) |
| 21:05.28 | Ackis | Amarande: yes, but only on IE7 |
| 21:05.40 | Ackis | or wait I think we're on IE8 now |
| 21:05.41 | Amarande | ew, they'll let you use flash but silverlight is a security hazard |
| 21:05.43 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 21:05.51 | Ackis | nope still IE7 |
| 21:06.17 | Amarande | well, I suppose there's also the fact that the Flash plugin crashes like an oak in a strong wind under any real stress, too :P |
| 21:06.34 | Amarande | the silverlight plugin might actually run long enough to be exploited! therefore it's a hazard! :) |
| 21:07.16 | SqueeG | is silverlight acually decent? |
| 21:07.33 | Ackis | silverlight is just new and corporate IT is a slow moving behemoth |
| 21:07.52 | kd3|netbook | only if you buy into the MS kool-aid |
| 21:08.14 | Amarande | ah yes, the general problem with large corporations :) |
| 21:08.39 | Amarande | lots of strength, no agility :P |
| 21:08.42 | cbreak | there are weekly security holes in flash |
| 21:08.46 | Lunessa | Silverlight - Flash-like, but from Microsoft. |
| 21:08.52 | cbreak | and adobe only wants to release patches every 3 months |
| 21:08.58 | cbreak | stay away from that crap if you can help it |
| 21:09.14 | Amarande | cbreak: the worst is on Linux. |
| 21:09.18 | cbreak | also, all browsers have security holes. You should use the newest so that most of them are fixed |
| 21:09.21 | Amarande | the Linux Flash plugin is roughly as stable as francium. |
| 21:09.38 | Lunessa | Netflix uses Silverlight for their streaming service, and honestly it's not a bad user experience. |
| 21:09.40 | Amarande | and that's a liberal estimate of its stability. :) |
| 21:10.37 | SqueeG | problem with microsoft products.... |
| 21:10.52 | SqueeG | Using them with non=microsoft products |
| 21:11.40 | nicoli_s | ive had no problems at all with silverlight |
| 21:11.41 | nicoli_s | i love it |
| 21:11.50 | cbreak | I have had no problems with silverlight either |
| 21:11.50 | nicoli_s | and unlike flash, its never crashed or locked up my browser once |
| 21:11.53 | cbreak | since I never touched it |
| 21:11.58 | KarlKFI|work | silverlight is good for streaming video, that's about it |
| 21:12.12 | cbreak | mplayer is good for streaming video :) |
| 21:12.17 | SqueeG | i can't find much about running silverlight in chrome :p |
| 21:12.28 | KarlKFI|work | didnt say silverlight was the _best_ at streaming video |
| 21:12.38 | KarlKFI|work | but it works decently enough |
| 21:12.44 | cbreak | I would say silverlight is the worst |
| 21:12.45 | orionshock | it's the only thing i've seen it used for |
| 21:12.47 | cbreak | but since flash exists |
| 21:12.50 | cbreak | that would not be true |
| 21:13.07 | nicoli_s | orionshock:ive played some games in it that worked good |
| 21:13.13 | nicoli_s | just demos of course |
| 21:13.15 | nicoli_s | but still |
| 21:13.46 | orionshock | i wana see if i can get moonlight working & try that siverlight based Addon UI kit that was on wowi a while ago |
| 21:13.54 | Amarande | Squee: it's not so bad these days. OpenOffice even supports DOCX, which shocked me. |
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| 21:14.08 | kd3|netbook | probably better than office does |
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| 21:14.14 | kd3|netbook | considering the shit that is the docx spec |
| 21:14.20 | Amarande | Although DOCX is still evil, and a lot of places like self-publishing bureaus still won't accept DOCX files |
| 21:14.20 | Angayelle | !api setcolor |
| 21:14.20 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'setcolor': ColorSelect:SetColorHSV, ColorSelect:SetColorWheelThumbTexture, ColorSelect:SetColorRGB, ColorSelect:SetColorValueThumbTexture, ColorSelect:SetColorWheelTexture, ColorSelect:SetColorValueTexture |
| 21:14.50 | KarlKFI|work | OpenOffice jsut got forked by a few of its leading non-oracle devs |
| 21:14.52 | Amarande | kd3: heh. at one point I descended far enough into madness to consider starting work on an open source ircd that supported the MS IRCX RFCs |
| 21:15.38 | KarlKFI|work | LibreOffice or something |
| 21:15.41 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:16.00 | nicoli_s | yes? |
| 21:16.08 | Amarande | kd3: I think I was also going to code it in Ada. |
| 21:16.15 | Amarande | I must have been particularly drunk that night. |
| 21:16.15 | kd3|netbook | i... uh |
| 21:16.16 | kd3|netbook | wow |
| 21:16.19 | Mirrormn | I don't get how you're supposed to pronounce LibreOffice |
| 21:16.39 | kd3|netbook | lee-bray-office |
| 21:16.52 | nicoli_s | lee-bra-off-is |
| 21:17.00 | Amarande | kd3: actually Ada looks like the sort of language that major internet service daemons SHOULD be coded in |
| 21:17.19 | KarlKFI|work | bonus points if you flip the r |
| 21:17.28 | Angayelle | now i'm lost, is it possible to change the xml color of a background/bgfile via lua ? baecause i'd like set different colors for it depending of a GetSpellCooldown command |
| 21:17.52 | Mirrormn | Texture:SetVertexColor, probably |
| 21:18.16 | Angayelle | so far : then CombustionFrame:SetColor("r="0" g="0.7529412" b="0"") don't work obviously |
| 21:18.31 | Angayelle | gonna try that |
| 21:18.58 | Mirrormn | SetVertexColor is what you want |
| 21:19.42 | Lunessa | Re: Silverlight - I use it on Mac OSX, via Safari to stream from Netfilx on the 'extra' Mac. Works pretty solidly. I don't know about Chrome, 'cause Netflix user agents out everything but Firefox, Safari and IE. |
| 21:20.38 | Mirrormn | you may need to use Frame:GetBackdrop to get a relevant texture object |
| 21:25.35 | orionshock | Lunessa, i use silverlight / chrome on xp with netflix just fine :) |
| 21:25.54 | SqueeG | i false flag chrome for bullshit sites like that |
| 21:26.01 | Lunessa | orionshock: I should have qualified that to say "on a Mac" |
| 21:26.21 | orionshock | :) |
| 21:26.21 | SqueeG | timewarner thinks they're cute using browser checks |
| 21:26.48 | orionshock | SqueeG, ? what does TimeWarner do? |
| 21:27.15 | SqueeG | redirects you to an error page if you're not using an IE or FF |
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| 21:27.42 | orionshock | like their site or their ISP service? |
| 21:28.33 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-21137.html |
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| 21:28.56 | Angayelle | @mirrormn SetBackdropColor did the trick |
| 21:29.12 | Mirrormn | ah yes |
| 21:29.17 | Mirrormn | that would certainly do it |
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| 21:29.25 | Angayelle | but thanks for the headup, it lead me there |
| 21:29.48 | A-KO | http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/04/alabama.corruption.arrests/index.html?hpt=T2 < lol |
| 21:30.21 | kd3|netbook | hi2u bama |
| 21:35.23 | SqueeG | orionshock: their site |
| 21:35.43 | Dagmar | It's nice to see some criminals going before a judge. |
| 21:35.49 | SqueeG | the whole 'not supported' BS... when the site works fine |
| 21:36.00 | Dagmar | I have absolutely no expectation they'll do any jail time, but it's nice that they'll humor us. |
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| 21:38.36 | Amarande | Besides, the government of Alabama has done some boneheaded stuff that probably poses greater public danger, anyway. |
| 21:38.45 | Amarande | Like building one of the worst dead man's curves in the country. |
| 21:38.55 | Dagmar | That's just questionable engineering. |
| 21:39.01 | Amarande | You know what's ironic? |
| 21:39.13 | Amarande | They built that curve in order to prevent the highway from having to run through ... *a cemetery.* |
| 21:39.15 | Dagmar | Busting some of the MANY corrupt political officials is way better |
| 21:39.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's amazing how easy it is to kinda screw up and lose dead people. |
| 21:39.47 | Dagmar | Cemeteries are not things you want to move. |
| 21:40.14 | Dagmar | Esp considering contractors are just as likely to move headstones and use the rest as fill dirt as they are to do it correctly. |
| 21:40.25 | Amarande | Yeah, but building roads in a way that greatly increases the risk of more people ending up there is kind of fail too. :) |
| 21:40.50 | Dagmar | Something I uncovered while I was in high school set development plans for a mall in my hometown back by about, well, they didn't get it built until about 20 years later. |
| 21:40.52 | Amarande | And yeah, there definitely needs to be fewer corrupt politicians. |
| 21:41.02 | Amarande | Corrupt politics is something I'm WAY too familiar with, given that I *am* from Connecticut. |
| 21:41.21 | Amarande | Possibly the only state that's been more regularly corrupt than New Jersey. :P |
| 21:41.29 | Dagmar | The assholes just backhoed up a small pre-civil war graveyard, and then tried to expunge it from the city's maps |
| 21:41.41 | Dagmar | WHITE OUT is not something you should ever see on something like that |
| 21:41.55 | Amarande | Ouch. |
| 21:42.10 | Dagmar | We thought it was just going to be moved so we got some paper and charoal and went out there to do rubbings. |
| 21:42.26 | Dagmar | What we found was three big ass backhoe trenches, and a f**king cairn stone. |
| 21:42.50 | Dagmar | They were acutally ignorant enough to not think anything of the rectangular, body-sized slab of stone they unearthed |
| 21:42.59 | Dagmar | ...which still had the silhouette of a human on it. |
| 21:43.18 | Dagmar | These were sometimes used to keep a body down. |
| 21:43.50 | Dagmar | It was kept kinda quiet but there was definitely some hell to pay when the contractor actually tried to say there'd been nothing there. |
| 21:44.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's just bad. |
| 21:44.52 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.fmylife.com/love/13285940 - I don't know if I should laugh or not... |
| 21:45.38 | TC-Work | i suddenly have this desire to read "The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet" again |
| 21:45.54 | alestane | I thought that was a great book. |
| 21:46.08 | Amarande | Although one wonders if population growth will eventually force us to such sacrifices anyway. |
| 21:46.22 | TC-Work | ithe whole series was good |
| 21:47.14 | Amarande | Especially combined with the fact that efforts to reduce our energy footprint and be responsible to the planet (which rather contraindicates expanding further and further *away* from city cores) mean that someday, one might need to reclaim graveyard space as space for the living to do what they need to do. :( |
| 21:48.14 | Dagmar | Graveyards don't typically take up a lot of space. They can generally be worked around. |
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| 21:48.27 | Dagmar | Most cities will need to build _up_, not out. |
| 21:48.42 | Dagmar | Otherwise they'll be facing the insane urban sprawl issue like Nashville has. |
| 21:48.46 | Amarande | So we're basically going to get Midgar, then. :) |
| 21:48.56 | Dagmar | There is literally no way public transporation will be ablke to do well here for another 60-75 years |
| 21:49.19 | kd3|netbook | public transport? |
| 21:49.25 | kd3|netbook | looks at atlanta and sighs |
| 21:49.29 | Dagmar | Outside of the rather small downtown area, it's nothing but three stories or less for the next fifteen miles in every direction |
| 21:49.36 | Amarande | kd3: atlanta has pretty good public transport, what are you talking about? |
| 21:49.36 | A-KO | Dagmar: I dunno, there's still plenty of room for many cities to build out, except in areas where the are mountains around them. |
| 21:49.50 | A-KO | DFW can build out til whatever |
| 21:49.50 | Amarande | though granted, that's based on the experience of going between the airport and Peachtree Center for Dragon Con. |
| 21:49.51 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Whether they can is irrelevant |
| 21:49.57 | Dagmar | Whether they *should* is what matters. |
| 21:50.02 | A-KO | why shouldn't they? |
| 21:50.19 | Amarande | kd3: maybe you've fallen asleep on the MARTA and ended up in Doraville in the middle of the night or something though. :) |
| 21:50.27 | Dagmar | When you have massive areas of relatively low population density, you wind up requiring massive eight lane highways and burn huge amounts of fuel getting everyone to work and back |
| 21:50.46 | Dagmar | If you have *high* population density, you can get by with a bunch of bus lines (like San Francisco) |
| 21:51.23 | Dagmar | You just about don't _need_ a car in SF, and the times you do need one you can just about walk to Enterprise or something |
| 21:51.42 | Amarande | Or New York. |
| 21:51.44 | Amarande | I love New York. |
| 21:51.49 | Dagmar | Atlanta is suffering hte massive eight lane (on each side) interstate problem |
| 21:51.52 | Amarande | Although I do avoid the Bronx on principle. |
| 21:51.55 | A-KO | You can get by with rail lines in a relatively lower population density, at the very least even having public transport entrypoints surrounding a city would go leaps and bounds to improving things. |
| 21:52.11 | Adys | mkv is such a terrible format |
| 21:52.13 | Adys | sighs |
| 21:52.20 | kd3|netbook | 8 lanes? hell, the connector is the widest highway in the US iirc |
| 21:52.21 | A-KO | drive to entry point -> take public transport into city |
| 21:52.29 | kd3|netbook | 22? 23 lanes wide? |
| 21:52.37 | Dagmar | kd3: I still don't see how they survive that shit at 85+ mph |
| 21:52.43 | Amarande | kd3: dear gods. |
| 21:52.48 | kd3|netbook | they don't. the speed limit's 45 |
| 21:52.48 | Lunessa | The problem with most public transportation schemes in the US is that they don't do anything at all to target the people who will need it most. |
| 21:52.54 | kd3|netbook | if you time it wrong you're lucky to hit 20 |
| 21:53.05 | Amarande | so what, you need like 20 miles' room between entry and exit if you need to exit on the opposite side from the entrance ramp? |
| 21:53.21 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Hows that? In NAshville the buses basically go from the central hub, to the ghettos, and from there to the malls |
| 21:53.26 | kd3|netbook | it's only a few miles long |
| 21:53.29 | kd3|netbook | that wide, at least |
| 21:53.39 | Dagmar | In San Francisco, the buses basically go freaking _everywhere_ |
| 21:53.41 | cog|work | hmm... dec 7 cataclysm. think that means the servers will be unplayable through christmas break? |
| 21:53.47 | Dagmar | You barely even have to care about times or a map. |
| 21:53.58 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Ever tried to go grocery shopping on public transit? |
| 21:53.59 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: only if you're a pessimist |
| 21:54.21 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: or if you don't consider the queue a metagame |
| 21:54.23 | A-KO | The problem with a lot of public transport, unless you're in a city where it's the norm, is that most people won't ride it for the simple sake that only "poor folk" ride the metro. You have people in areas like Baltimore who feel it is their *right* to drive their car into the city and leave/enter when they want. Public transportation, being on a schedule and having to *wait* is Communist. |
| 21:54.25 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Acutally, yes. You just do it in smaller increments on your way home instead of going and getting 15 bags of groceries at once |
| 21:54.28 | A-KO | ^^ sad, but true |
| 21:54.29 | Amarande | It can be enough of a pain sometimes on busy days just to cross I-84 (which is just 3 lanes a side) between where you get on from downtown Danbury to where you get off to go to the area where OfficeMax, Five Guys, Costco, Best Buy, and Borders are. |
| 21:54.30 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: queue? stay logged on! |
| 21:54.32 | Amarande | 22 lanes *shudder*. |
| 21:54.32 | Dagmar | It took a little getting used ot |
| 21:54.36 | Gnarfoz | also, no queues here. ;) |
| 21:54.52 | A-KO | 3 lanes? that's it? |
| 21:55.00 | Amarande | A-KO: that part of I-84, yeah |
| 21:55.12 | A-KO | portions of the roads I'm on are sometimes 6 lanes |
| 21:55.12 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: MOM! BATHROOM!!! |
| 21:55.21 | kd3|netbook | amarande; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Connector |
| 21:55.25 | Dagmar | A-KO: That's where SF's system wins. Most bus stops have a bus coming by every ten minutes |
| 21:55.42 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: that's not a long enough break to disconnect you ;p |
| 21:55.45 | Amarande | Danbury's also apparently home to part of the second longest continuous highway in the US. :) |
| 21:55.47 | Dagmar | For about 14 hours of the day, that's the way it goes for the majority of the peninsula |
| 21:56.01 | Dagmar | You just hop on whatever the next bus is that's heading in the general direction you need to be |
| 21:56.03 | kd3|netbook | ok, 16, not 22. still, 8 lanes a side |
| 21:56.05 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: when there's queue it's more aggressive :P |
| 21:56.25 | Amarande | kd3: and it's called a Parkway now |
| 21:56.34 | Amarande | which makes me think of one of the weirdest things about the English language |
| 21:56.40 | Amarande | You drive on a parkway, and you park on a driveway. :) |
| 21:57.05 | Lunessa | I grew up in Los Angeles and they had buses (the trains came back after I moved away) - and life became immeasurably better by getting a vehicle, even if that was not the eco-friendly thing to do. No longer was I tied to a bus that took 2 hours to go any real distance. And quit running before my shift ended. And here in Houston, public transit serves the barest minimum of people. I'm all for public transit - if it will transit the public, you know |
| 21:57.13 | Amarande | And while you might sometimes drive on some driveways, if you park on a parkway people will probably get REALLY PISSED. :) |
| 21:57.32 | A-KO | Dagmar: The US needs a massive mass transport overhaul, but people would rather money go into their pockets than to public transport. It's just a reality. It's a social change that's needed, no amount of forcing it down their throats is going to make it happen. |
| 21:57.43 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah I was told the difference between SFO and LAX's systems was astonishing |
| 21:57.57 | Angayelle | back to coding, sorry for the digression, is there a limit on how many conditional i can put in the same sentence in lua ? got 5 already and it's not working but with two it was working |
| 21:57.58 | Amarande | ah, I've never been to LAX |
| 21:58.01 | Amarande | I have been through SFO, though |
| 21:58.08 | A-KO | yeah Lunessa, it can often times take hours here for buses to get to destinations that it only takes 15 minutes by car |
| 21:58.17 | Lunessa | in LAX the bus and the train can't go directly to the airport. Because of lobbying from taxi companies. |
| 21:58.35 | A-KO | What they need are multiple types of buses--express buses that connect the major commerce hubs, and other buses that serve the surrounding areas. |
| 21:58.38 | Amarande | Angayelle, are all applicable braces and parenthesis there? When you have complex statements like that it's easy to get errors by missing a punctuation mark somewhere |
| 21:58.54 | Dagmar | Cabs in SF are easily half the cost of what they are in Nashville |
| 21:58.59 | Amarande | shudders at the number of program bugs/compile failures are caused by a missing semicolon that can take forever to find :) |
| 21:59.01 | A-KO | Angayelle: Why would you put everything on one line? |
| 21:59.06 | Angayelle | if (LBTime == 1) and (FFBTime == 1) and (IgnTime == 1) and (PyroTime == 1) and (b4==0) |
| 21:59.07 | Angayelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.07 | A-KO | just separate it out, easier to read, easier to debug |
| 21:59.11 | cog|work | Dagmar: i couldn't believe how cheap the cab ride was in SF... |
| 21:59.28 | Dagmar | Yeah public transporation there really works well |
| 21:59.33 | Angayelle | i believe all is good |
| 21:59.35 | cog|work | would've been twice as much just an hour north where i live |
| 21:59.40 | Amarande | Lunessa: wow, LA taxi companies are bitchy. |
| 22:00.17 | Amarande | I can only imagine the row that would happen in New York if the New York taxi folks even tried lobbying for that. |
| 22:00.42 | Amarande | Never mind the fact that JFK has train service pretty much *built into* the complex. :) |
| 22:00.59 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:01.36 | A-KO | http://goo.gl/g3Kl < From these 2 points, it takes the bus route about 2.5 hours to do--in one direction. Granted, it stops at a lot of places, but it's a real pain in the ass. |
| 22:01.39 | Amarande | (And sadly, LGA has no AirTrain. It makes me want to go back to flying from JFK again, even though that usually costs more.) |
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| 22:02.33 | Amarande | actually I'd probably still be flying mostly from JFK if Delta hadn't buggered up their website forcing me to use alternate airlines for trips this year. |
| 22:02.42 | A-KO | oh it seems they shortened it to 1 hour now |
| 22:02.43 | A-KO | amazing |
| 22:02.48 | Lunessa | LA had trains in the 30s. Bridgestone and Shell bought them all and ripped them out to replace them with buses. Getting a train system built again took forever and was fraught with peril. I'm frankly shocked it got built at all. |
| 22:03.01 | Amarande | Shell? As in the gas guys? |
| 22:04.00 | Dagmar | A-ko: Zoom in on http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=san+francisco a bit. Notice how most of the streets are arranged practically in rows and columns? A bunch of the bus lines basically go from one side to the other and back again |
| 22:04.04 | Lunessa | Yes. There was a documentary about it, and the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" even made fun of it. |
| 22:04.07 | Dagmar | Zippity zip zip |
| 22:04.13 | Amarande | Lunessa: sounds like they wanted buses so people would have to buy more gas :) |
| 22:04.23 | Lunessa | And tires. |
| 22:04.32 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:04.36 | Amarande | Trains mostly still ran on coal back then right? Or had diesel taken over by the 30s? |
| 22:04.59 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar it's great in cities that were designed later on--but keep in mind I live in a city that's been around at least 100 years longer than SF :P |
| 22:05.01 | A-KO | maybe 200 years |
| 22:05.02 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:05.07 | Lunessa | I think the trains were mostly electric. |
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| 22:05.19 | Amarande | Yeah, gas companies HATE electric transit. |
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| 22:05.48 | Amarande | Also any sort of super fuel efficient thing. I would NOT be surprised if the gas companies have a hand in the cookie jar on diesel car emissions standards. |
| 22:05.50 | Fisker | you know what i hate Amarande ? |
| 22:05.53 | A-KO | That said, back in the 70s they were looking at re-routing some of the highways here but ended up not doing it because too many people complained. What it means is that to get from north to south you have to literally drive *through* the city streets or drive all the way around the city--there's no highway that cuts direclty in the middle. |
| 22:05.59 | Amarande | what's that Fisker? |
| 22:06.11 | Fisker | you :( |
| 22:06.15 | Dagmar | Sounds like they need skyways, A-ko |
| 22:06.21 | Amarande | I'm thinking about the difference between diesel cars in the US and Europe. In Europe, they have diesel cars that easily get 70 miles to the gallon |
| 22:06.29 | Amarande | something that fuel-efficiency-wanting Americans would *love* |
| 22:06.35 | Amarande | but they can't get them approved in the US. |
| 22:06.56 | Amarande | because those cars will fail emissions standards in the US, because US diesel is far lower quality than German diesel. |
| 22:06.57 | Dagmar | I would rather have cars that get that without burning diesel |
| 22:07.12 | Dagmar | ...but they have to stop flooding the market with fucking gargantuan SUVs first |
| 22:07.21 | Amarande | I can only presume that the necessarily filtering to meet emissions standards probably spoils the heavenly mileage. |
| 22:07.37 | Amarande | Of course, instead of forcing the gas companies to up the quality on the diesel, they just force the vehicle manufacturers to use more filtering. |
| 22:07.54 | Amarande | Presumably because the gas companies have a lobby in this and *don't want* people to be able to get 70 mpg. |
| 22:07.57 | Dagmar | I drove a little Isuzu I-Mark for awhile in the 90's. It got 55 mpg for no reason whatsoever than it had a three-cylinder engine IIRC |
| 22:08.20 | Amarande | (The specific cars I'm speaking of btw are pretty much the German make TDI's) |
| 22:08.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: they're still doing that? wow, they never learn, do they |
| 22:09.24 | cog|work | ~ping |
| 22:09.24 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:09.25 | Amarande | it's generally thought that one of the major reasons the US vehicle industry's been tanking is because they keep making stuff that people, now fuel efficiency minded with the cost of gas, don't want |
| 22:09.45 | Amarande | which, yeah, seems pretty obvious to me. if you don't give the customer what they want, you're not going to make money :P |
| 22:09.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: I don't htink automakers will stop doing that until they're forced at gunpoint. They want the bigger margins on the expensive cars, and the huge profits they get from owning the finance companies they use to finance them for people. |
| 22:10.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, "almost going out of business" apparently didn't count as gunpoint then :) |
| 22:10.14 | Dagmar | You go look at car lots and 3/4 of what's there is just giant SUVs |
| 22:10.21 | Dagmar | You can't buy what people won't sell you. |
| 22:10.29 | Dewin | Dagmar: New or used? |
| 22:10.30 | Dagmar | Amarande: Clearly it didn't make any impression on them at all. |
| 22:10.33 | Dagmar | Dewin: Both |
| 22:10.54 | Dewin | I haven't seen very many car commercials touting SUVs lately, oddly enough |
| 22:11.21 | Dewin | I do think they are starting to cut back some |
| 22:11.25 | Xyphoid | i kind of want a Smart car but I'm hearing bad things about them mechanically |
| 22:11.30 | Xyphoid | so cute though |
| 22:11.37 | Kraps | derp, the boat from kezan is bugged |
| 22:11.50 | Dagmar | I think they've realized that if the majority of the cars they put out are SUVs, they don't have to advertise because people buy what's available more often than they buy something they "want" |
| 22:12.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, consumers are sadly ovine like that |
| 22:12.07 | Dewin | But I'd suspect the large amount of new is from people not buying new when they can save tons by buying late-model used, and the used are tradeins for people going for more fuel efficient cars |
| 22:12.14 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: I know two people with 'em. Theirs at least have been problem free. |
| 22:12.40 | Dagmar | I've actually had two issues with mys cooter in three years, but... the total repair bill on that has still been less than $500 |
| 22:13.24 | cbreak | I have a GA and am happy with it. |
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| 22:13.43 | Dagmar | GA? |
| 22:13.44 | cbreak | all the public transport I want for a yearly fee :) |
| 22:13.56 | cbreak | General Abonement |
| 22:14.11 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 22:14.23 | Amarande | cbreak: is that a joke at GM or is that an actual French brand :) |
| 22:14.36 | cbreak | it's a swiss brand |
| 22:14.39 | Dagmar | Google sez it's a light rail pass |
| 22:15.10 | Xyphoid | i'm going to hang onto my telstar until it rusts out |
| 22:15.59 | cbreak | it works for railway, ships, busses, tramms |
| 22:16.13 | cbreak | almost every public transportation company |
| 22:17.58 | Dagmar | That's good stuff |
| 22:18.05 | Dagmar | I hear you have blondes there. |
| 22:18.21 | cbreak | we do |
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| 22:20.39 | TC-Work | we have blondes too....but they are all fake :( |
| 22:23.51 | Lunessa | Go go Mumper! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26435286221&sid=2000&pageNo=4#68 |
| 22:26.07 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/47770/ Medal of Honor - Open Beta |
| 22:26.14 | Fisker | no care |
| 22:27.11 | Fisker | might've gotten it for not selling out if it wasn't a shitty MW-clone, well not shitty by being a clone, but shitty by being like MW |
| 22:27.20 | Fisker | but they sold out |
| 22:27.26 | Fisker | so doesn't matter anyway |
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| 22:28.27 | TC-Work | Kraps: when did it start? as it says it's only going through the 7th |
| 22:28.42 | Adys | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/8a2ef8a4-3eb7-42bc-bbcd-85acf937f52b.png |
| 22:29.00 | TC-Work | Kraps: nvm me |
| 22:30.39 | nicoli_s | lol, nice one adys |
| 22:31.55 | nicoli_s | i had lots of fun in vegas |
| 22:32.02 | nicoli_s | none of it that really needs hiding |
| 22:32.08 | nicoli_s | other than Xtek's bacon throwing... |
| 22:32.09 | Amarande | you know, it's not till I started a hunter with the charmed ancient bone bow that I realized just how awesome BoA is |
| 22:32.29 | Amarande | I tried an arms warrior with the reforged truesilver champion and it felt ok but not overwhelmingly great :S |
| 22:32.40 | TC-Work | @ 32 as a hunter i top out in kills and dmg done in bg's |
| 22:32.53 | TC-Work | and my side usually loses |
| 22:33.44 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: You didn't try hard enough. Next time make a stop at Cheetah's |
| 22:34.37 | nicoli_s | cheetah's? |
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| 22:39.07 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: It's a rather excellent Gentleman's club |
| 22:39.18 | Dagmar | Cheap drinks, too! |
| 22:39.32 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 22:40.03 | Dagmar | I was impressed. It's probably the most un-sleazy place like that I've ever seen |
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| 22:40.54 | nicoli_s | well between our hotel room and convention hall there was a place with cheap drinks |
| 22:41.02 | nicoli_s | like 4 dollar long island ice teas and 1 dollar jello shots |
| 22:41.23 | Dagmar | When I was last there, five bucks got you two shooters... |
| 22:41.26 | Amarande | Dammit. |
| 22:41.31 | Dagmar | ...poured directly into your mouth. |
| 22:41.37 | Amarande | I wish you could combine the Discerning Eye of the Beast and the Swift Hand of Justice. :( |
| 22:41.41 | Dagmar | ...by a hot chick in a bikini sitting in your lap. |
| 22:41.53 | Amarande | As in, into one item. |
| 22:42.00 | Dagmar | Most other places I've seen, five bucks will get you a sneer. |
| 22:42.44 | nicoli_s | i think if alcohol was any cheaper, i would have drank so much as to get sick |
| 22:42.48 | nicoli_s | but i fought it the entire time |
| 22:43.02 | Dagmar | Well, I guess technically it's not _quite_ a place you'd have to hide, but you could talk it up. :) |
| 22:43.42 | Dagmar | Yeah we told the girls "Oh, too drunk? We're with Defcon. You must not have heard about us." |
| 22:43.53 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Cheetah's isn't /excellent/. But it is /efficient/. |
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| 22:44.08 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I've never seen a nicer strip joint |
| 22:44.20 | nicoli_s | my coworkers are always talking about the spearmint rhino |
| 22:44.47 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have. But... that one was certainly good about separating you from cash in a hurry. |
| 22:45.28 | Dagmar | I just plan ahead on spending a hundred or two |
| 22:45.43 | Dagmar | Plus it's Vegas. |
| 22:45.47 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You got out of there cheap at two hundred. |
| 22:45.55 | Dagmar | I could easily bet that money at a table and lose it all. |
| 22:46.04 | Dagmar | Put a dollar in a g-string and YOU'RE A WINNER EVERY TIME! |
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| 22:46.09 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 22:49.00 | nicoli_s | meh, i never understood spending all that money at strip clubs |
| 22:49.09 | nicoli_s | i mean yeah, if im gonna have sex, yeah im down for spending money |
| 22:49.20 | Lunessa | I'm just laughing at Dagmar's pure enthusiasm. |
| 22:49.23 | Dagmar | Hah. That costs a *lot* more money |
| 22:49.49 | nicoli_s | but spending money to look at girls, when i could do the same thing for alot cheaper online,meh |
| 22:49.56 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Hey, what can I say. I'm one of the few people who are entirely, one-hundred percent, and positively obsessively heterosexual. |
| 22:50.01 | Dagmar | I likes nekkid wimmins |
| 22:50.10 | Dagmar | It's a thing. |
| 22:50.13 | cog|work | nicoli_s: or just go to a mall. have you seen the way the chicks dress these days? |
| 22:50.22 | Dagmar | cog: THOSE chicks are underage |
| 22:50.24 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:50.30 | nicoli_s | cog|work:yeah, sad these days |
| 22:50.34 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Ditto. During my "Drinking Years" I spent 5-6 nights a week hammered and in the company of strippers. |
| 22:51.26 | Dagmar | WEl.. I'm jealous. Heh |
| 22:52.33 | nicoli_s | i guess its cuz i hung around with a bunch of slutty girls who liked to show their tits when i was a teenager that makes me just go meh |
| 22:52.38 | nicoli_s | if i cant touch, whats the point :P |
| 22:53.07 | Dagmar | Well, even if you can't there's still the matter of artistry. |
| 22:53.17 | Dagmar | Medical science can do some downright amazing things nowadays |
| 22:55.05 | nicoli_s | natural > silicone |
| 22:55.09 | cog|work | ^ |
| 22:55.28 | cog|work | i don't understand why they haven't figured out how to make breast implants that are actually shaped like breasts... |
| 22:55.29 | Dagmar | Invalid comparison. They're two differnt leagues. |
| 22:55.33 | Lunessa | Available > Unavailable |
| 22:56.10 | cog|work | body builders with breast implants look absolutely ridiculous |
| 22:56.20 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:56.35 | cog|work | not that they'd look much less ridiculous without them, but srsly... |
| 22:58.59 | Dagmar | I dare you to tell them that. |
| 22:59.01 | Dagmar | : |
| 23:00.45 | cog|work | *chuckle* |
| 23:00.45 | Lunessa | It's funny the things upon which we hang identity and self-worth. |
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| 23:02.25 | cog|work | the thing on which men hang identity, self-worth, and towells is indeed quite funny, yes. |
| 23:02.42 | Dagmar | Big towels. |
| 23:03.17 | Dagmar | When I first started adminning for money, we had "sysadmin nights" where we'd basically all go to strip clubs. |
| 23:03.35 | Dagmar | Main reason: To teach the younger geeks how to behave themselves around women |
| 23:03.50 | cog|work | -_- |
| 23:03.50 | Xyphoid | whut |
| 23:04.03 | Xyphoid | that seems like a strange place to practice |
| 23:04.08 | Dagmar | If you can keep your head together while incredibly hot naked chicks are flirting with you, clothed women in an office is no problem at all. |
| 23:04.08 | cog|work | ^ |
| 23:04.15 | cog|work | (@xyphoid) |
| 23:04.35 | Dagmar | I've never had a stripper complain that I too gentlemanly. |
| 23:04.41 | cog|work | Dagmar: until they start sticking dollar bills under their coworkers' bra straps |
| 23:04.44 | Dagmar | s/I/I was/; |
| 23:04.55 | Dagmar | cog: See, that would be a failed training session right there |
| 23:05.12 | Dagmar | You have to have seen the 19 year old guys who *still* can't talk to a pretty girl. |
| 23:05.44 | Dagmar | We did not hoot and holler. We admired. |
| 23:05.47 | orionshock | cog|work, you tip @ the strip club after the training session is over :) |
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| 23:05.59 | Dagmar | ...and a few times we took a cardboard cutout of a Netscape window for a joke. |
| 23:06.11 | cog|work | hehe |
| 23:06.27 | cog|work | yeah, i'm not one to judge... never had that problem myself... |
| 23:06.29 | nicoli_s | heh, 90% of our staff still wouldnt know how to handle themselves if women worked here |
| 23:06.36 | cog|work | i was so comfortable talking with pretty girls people thought i was gay |
| 23:06.37 | Xyphoid | every sysadmin i've worked with has been married |
| 23:06.38 | Xyphoid | go figure |
| 23:07.04 | nicoli_s | well not 90, maybe more like 75 |
| 23:07.33 | Dagmar | It's definitely a problem for geeks |
| 23:07.57 | cog|work | every geek should join choir in high school imo |
| 23:08.04 | Lunessa | mmmmmm... pretty geeky girls. |
| 23:08.10 | Xyphoid | or drama |
| 23:08.13 | Dagmar | 'spesh the ones who were late bloomers and therefore outcasts in high school. They missed out on important socialization skill development |
| 23:08.16 | cog|work | indeed |
| 23:08.31 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The Donovan girl is MINE! I called dibs! |
| 23:08.32 | Xyphoid | single-sex schools are so terrible for that |
| 23:09.02 | cog|work | eew yeah |
| 23:09.08 | nicoli_s | god i would have gone crazy at a single sex school |
| 23:09.29 | orionshock | ok srsly i have to save this conversation to share with ppl later.. it's just too funny and real. |
| 23:09.33 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Fine, but I get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Hendricks |
| 23:09.38 | Dagmar | Does it count if the male to female ratio is just hideously lopsided (in your favor)? |
| 23:10.16 | nicoli_s | Dagmar:always good |
| 23:10.27 | nicoli_s | i went on a school trip with 90% canadian women, good times |
| 23:11.02 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Western Kentucky University was ~14:1 female:male while I was at MTSU, which was merely 7.2:1 |
| 23:11.11 | Dagmar | I made road trips because I'm cool like that |
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| 23:11.29 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Deal |
| 23:11.59 | Dagmar | Claudia's more my type anyway |
| 23:14.10 | Lunessa | She's 9 kinds of fine, I'll give you that. |
| 23:15.16 | Dagmar | More importantly, she's a haxor chick. ...even if she is fictional. |
| 23:15.18 | Lunessa | But... from that show... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1444665/ RAWR |
| 23:15.33 | Dagmar | No thanks. |
| 23:15.40 | Dagmar | I've dated enough girls like that. |
| 23:16.02 | Dagmar | One minute things are going swimmingly, then you blink and she's trying to bury you alive. |
| 23:16.04 | Dagmar | NO thanks. |
| 23:16.37 | Lunessa | Hey, one can admire a beautiful woman without needing to date her. I'm just saying. |
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| 23:19.20 | Dagmar | Evil kinda takes a new tier of priority |
| 23:19.29 | Dagmar | ...as does "bat-shit crazy" |
| 23:19.52 | Dagmar | I've had plenty of the latter. |
| 23:19.52 | Lunessa | I've been involved with enough of both myself. |
| 23:19.56 | nicoli_s | that girls eyes look fucked up |
| 23:20.14 | Amarande | How'd that Ayria line go ... Blink, blink again - Petty hearts are no one's friend :) |
| 23:20.33 | Kraps | TC-Work: i got about 3-4 kills as sniper |
| 23:21.33 | TC-Work | Kraps: huh? |
| 23:22.11 | cog|work | Lunessa: that's Miss Pardon My Tits |
| 23:22.21 | cog|work | <3 Dexter |
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| 23:22.57 | Lunessa | Christina Hendrix was also in Firefly - where she did evil and seductive very, very well. |
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| 23:24.04 | Mirrormn | I liked her a lot better in firefly |
| 23:25.02 | cog|work | was referring to jaime murray |
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| 23:33.02 | Lunessa | cog|away: She was HOT, HOT, HOT in Dexter. |
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| 23:37.02 | Xinhuan | Cairenn, unban repo :P |
| 23:37.09 | Cairenn | no :p |
| 23:37.16 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 23:37.17 | Cairenn | he's banned? |
| 23:37.20 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 23:37.25 | Xinhuan | for spam leave/joins |
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| 23:38.17 | Xinhuan | although i don't expect it to rejoin anytime soon lol |
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| 23:46.54 | Cide | hmm |
| 23:47.00 | Cide | anyone awesome at lighttpd? |
| 23:47.12 | Cide | Adys |
| 23:47.13 | Cide | halp |
| 23:47.19 | Adys | use nginx |
| 23:47.21 | Adys | problem solved |
| 23:47.23 | Cide | no |
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| 23:48.50 | Cide | it correctly runs django |
| 23:49.19 | Cide | but when accessing media files it tries to access the right files |
| 23:49.29 | Cide | but it gives me permission denied errors |
| 23:49.38 | Cide | but the permissions seem correct to me |
| 23:49.53 | Cide | fucking stupid |
| 23:53.02 | Adys | um |
| 23:53.07 | Adys | how are the perms? |
| 23:53.15 | Cide | well I put them both in the lighttpd group |
| 23:53.16 | Adys | the files need to be readable by the lighttpd daemon |
| 23:53.28 | Cide | lighttpd and my user |
| 23:53.37 | Cide | and then I gave the group rwx access |
| 23:53.55 | Dagmar | http://cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/478801459c21956pj2n1bd032862.gif |
| 23:54.08 | Dagmar | Sooo many faildruids |
| 23:54.26 | Adys | Cide: is it *owned* by lighttpd? |
| 23:54.45 | Cide | no... I didn't think it had to be? |
| 23:54.45 | Adys | maybe as security measure lighttpd doesnt read if it's not owned by it |
| 23:54.53 | Adys | try |
| 23:55.10 | Dagmar | The error log should say something |
| 23:55.16 | Cide | "permission denied" |
| 23:55.32 | Adys | at what level does it say permission denied? |
| 23:55.33 | Adys | os level? |
| 23:55.46 | Dagmar | \D'ja tell lighthttpd it's allowed to hand out files in that directory? |
| 23:56.00 | Cide | yes, it's properly configured |
| 23:56.23 | Adys | do you have anything lighttpd can read as media? |
| 23:56.37 | Cide | I have plenty of files it should be able to read |
| 23:56.40 | Cide | none that it can read |
| 23:56.42 | Adys | not should, can |
| 23:56.45 | Adys | to take example on |
| 23:56.46 | Cide | -- access denied |
| 23:56.54 | Cide | Path: /home/cide/dev/django/public_html/media/css/main.css |
| 23:58.03 | Cide | now the whole directory is owned by lighttpd and the group is lighttpd |
| 23:58.05 | Cide | still no go |
| 23:58.18 | Amarande | ok, time to head up to the frozen throne. |
| 23:58.21 | Cide | I got some selinux alerts earlier |
| 23:58.25 | Cide | but I think I fixed those |
| 23:58.32 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 23:58.39 | Dagmar | You have SELinux installed? |
| 23:58.40 | Adys | this doesnt make enough sense not to be selinux's fault |
| 23:58.47 | Cide | came with fedora |
| 23:58.53 | Dagmar | Make sure *it's* allowing the wevserver to read files from that directory |
| 23:58.55 | Cide | anyway I did setenforce 0 but it still complains |
| 23:59.06 | Cide | yeah, I think I did and then I also did setenforce 0 |
| 23:59.08 | Cide | still no go though |
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