| 00:01.03 | Slackwise | Gah. |
| 00:01.14 | Slackwise | See, this is why I always need another set of eyes at work when I'm stuck too. :P |
| 00:01.28 | Slackwise | After you hyperfocus on something else, you just assume things. :/ |
| 00:01.43 | Slackwise | For consistency, all of them will be wrapped. |
| 00:01.53 | Slackwise | Now to make a Vim Macro. |
| 00:02.56 | Slackwise | qcI[^]2f"a]^]jq |
| 00:02.58 | kd3 | yay, my scripts are getting all of the download data ahead of time now. <3 |
| 00:03.18 | kd3 | start beta, launcher stalls for a few seconds, says update required, says update done, hit play |
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| 00:05.41 | Xinhuan | scripts? |
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| 00:07.25 | kd3 | a shell script or three pulling patch data off of the mirrors |
| 00:09.20 | Slackwise | Wobin, Xinhuan: Thanks for the quick and easy help. |
| 00:09.31 | Wobin | no worries |
| 00:09.45 | Slackwise | Will make setting my usual bindings on all my beta pre-made alts. :P |
| 00:09.56 | Slackwise | ^faster |
| 00:10.08 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 00:11.47 | Jerub | sigh mongoose. |
| 00:15.52 | Thunder_Child | Iriel Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5645991/enhance-how-adobe-will-let-you-take-perfectly-focused-images-every-time |
| 00:15.55 | Slackwise | 400MB beta batch.... |
| 00:15.58 | Slackwise | Just came out. |
| 00:16.10 | Slackwise | Within the last hour or so. |
| 00:16.15 | Slackwise | (They're working on Sunday?!) |
| 00:16.30 | Thunder_Child | it's crunch time |
| 00:16.36 | Slackwise | Indeed it is. |
| 00:16.57 | Slackwise | I've had to do overtime at work, but never weekends. :P |
| 00:17.03 | Slackwise | (Coding, that is.) |
| 00:17.10 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: I'd read about those techniques before.. it's interesting for sure. |
| 00:18.44 | Ressy | Slackwise: They pushed an update on a holiday weekend during alpha. They've been pushing full speed ahead for a while now. |
| 00:18.58 | Slackwise | Gotta' hit Christmas time. |
| 00:19.01 | Xinhuan | i hope they get holidays lol |
| 00:19.12 | Slackwise | No game developer ever wants to miss Christmas sales. |
| 00:19.12 | kd3 | sure, after ship |
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| 00:24.47 | sylvanaar | wonder when the server will be up |
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| 00:36.54 | Slackwise | cracks knuckles and gets back to wiping on LK. |
| 00:37.28 | Jerub | Slackwise: i did that yesterday :D |
| 00:37.38 | Slackwise | Yea, this is taking forever. :/ |
| 00:38.12 | Slackwise | We're hitting 2nd phase now consistently. |
| 00:38.46 | Jerub | Slackwise: having trouble with defile? |
| 00:38.58 | Jerub | or valks? |
| 00:39.05 | Slackwise | Both, really. I guess. |
| 00:39.10 | Slackwise | We're getting /to/ phase 2. |
| 00:39.13 | Slackwise | But lasting little. |
| 00:39.16 | Jerub | damn. |
| 00:39.33 | Jerub | well, it's usually one of 3 things, tank surviability, stanidng in defile or valks killing folks. |
| 00:39.49 | Slackwise | My guild is rather casual, so we've beein trudging. |
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| 00:43.12 | Jamash | goddamn cygwin installer |
| 00:43.41 | Jamash | telling me I can't uninstall a package because another *invisible* package depends on it |
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| 00:59.01 | Jerub | hey guise. |
| 00:59.12 | Jerub | i need to upgrade two computers for cata. what should i get? |
| 01:00.44 | Xuerian | What you currently have is good information to include |
| 01:00.54 | Xyphoid | upgrading computers is such a painful process if you don't do it often |
| 01:01.16 | Jerub | Xuerian: for the purposes of the conversation, assume shit that needs removing. |
| 01:01.27 | Jerub | i mean, i can probably reuse the ram, but mobo+video card will have to go. |
| 01:01.37 | Xuerian | jerub: For the purposes of that answer, I'll answer "New computers" |
| 01:01.42 | Jerub | Xuerian: okay! |
| 01:01.44 | Jerub | what computers. |
| 01:01.58 | Xuerian | narrows his eyes at Jerub. |
| 01:02.01 | Jerub | last time i did an upgrade, core duo was new. |
| 01:02.10 | Jerub | like, brand spanking new omg awesome. |
| 01:02.15 | Jerub | so i don't know what to lookf or |
| 01:03.26 | Xuerian | Simply, a AMD phenom4/radeon5770/4gb+ for low end, or 6/5850 midrange. Specifically? I'm too lazy |
| 01:03.30 | Jerub | like, is it okay to go for a intel core i3 540 LGA1156 2.93GHz 4MB Cache CPU? i think i3 < i5 |
| 01:03.52 | Jerub | is that athlon ii x4 635 ? |
| 01:04.00 | Xuerian | If you're going low end you mayaswell go amd. Better price points, better performance |
| 01:04.32 | Ressy | better upgradability. |
| 01:04.38 | Jerub | i don't necesserily want low end. |
| 01:04.46 | Xuerian | i3 = low end |
| 01:04.50 | Ressy | very |
| 01:04.50 | Jerub | i just want something that will run cata perfectly. |
| 01:05.07 | Xuerian | I've looked into amd cpus less though, so I can't really make a suggestion as to which. I HIGHLY suggest going to hardforum and reading the builds forum, there's lots of builds listed constantly with price ranges |
| 01:05.07 | Ressy | on what settings? |
| 01:05.08 | Jerub | that's probably enough to be fine for the forseeablefuture. |
| 01:05.21 | Jerub | hardforum? |
| 01:05.23 | Jerub | url? |
| 01:05.27 | Xuerian | hardforum.com? |
| 01:05.33 | Xuerian | lmgtfy.com? |
| 01:05.40 | Xuerian | squints slightly harder at Jerub. |
| 01:05.44 | Jerub | hey, for all i knew you were referring to a blizzard forum |
| 01:05.54 | Jerub | like, 'the hardware forum on battle.net' |
| 01:06.04 | Xuerian | go to hardforum and read the builds forum. Hardforum was therefore the forums name, and builds the subforum :) |
| 01:06.18 | Ressy | I didn't know hardocp had a forum. damn |
| 01:06.36 | Xuerian | It's awesome for everything hardware |
| 01:06.39 | Xuerian | including picking up used parts |
| 01:06.41 | Jerub | .. there isn't a build forum |
| 01:06.51 | Ressy | I loved their review of the bestbuy psus. lawl. |
| 01:07.24 | Xuerian | jerub: builds = genhard = General Hardware. That was a valid question, though |
| 01:08.06 | Xuerian | PS, anyone in here use XLoot1.0? I need a/some guinea pigs. |
| 01:10.58 | Stanzilla | yes :p |
| 01:11.09 | Xuerian | oh hai |
| 01:11.14 | Xuerian | I remember you. |
| 01:11.14 | Stanzilla | hai! |
| 01:11.19 | Stanzilla | in the mountains? |
| 01:11.21 | Xuerian | HARP MAKE FRAMEZ BIGGER PLZ |
| 01:11.23 | Xuerian | or something |
| 01:11.24 | Xuerian | anyway |
| 01:11.26 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 01:12.07 | Xuerian | Added option profiles/slash commands/skin-plugin-ability, want a zip to see if I missed anything major? Do need to do a couple more things, though. |
| 01:12.45 | Stanzilla | yeah sure, just tell me what you need tested |
| 01:23.01 | Mikk | Xuerian: gimme! |
| 01:23.07 | Mikk | err assuming it works on live |
| 01:24.14 | Jerub | so uh. is an i7 really worth it over an i5? |
| 01:24.26 | Xuerian | Mikk: Live and beta, but had a emergency, will ping later |
| 01:28.38 | Legorol | Can someone do me a favour please and connect to my Minecraft server to see if it's working? If you are willing to help, whisper me for details |
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| 02:02.57 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 02:03.02 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.24 | kd3 | ho... we've got the "languages" ability back as a racial passive |
| 02:43.56 | Gnarfoz | like I said earlier: <Gnarfoz> don't tell me they intend to finally own up to what is written in my WoW manual from back in 2005? |
| 02:44.15 | Gnarfoz | referring to the original manual implying that you could learn other races' languages |
| 02:44.49 | Gnarfoz | also, I think my character on beta has permanently broken JC :( I have no JC button in my spellbook and can't /cast it, either |
| 02:52.00 | Gnarfoz | awarraghh |
| 02:52.02 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 02:53.00 | Gnarfoz | out of boredom/desparation I used the (randomly offered) character recustomization, now I'm missing both JC and Fishing. :F |
| 02:55.58 | Gnarfoz | ...but I can learn JC skills from the trainer anyway |
| 02:56.03 | Gnarfoz | still no JC button |
| 02:56.04 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 02:58.48 | Dagmar | Woot! You found a bug. Clicky that pretty blue B. |
| 03:00.15 | Gnarfoz | woot! you found a keyboard. Now find a brain before using it again. |
| 03:00.47 | Dagmar | Guess which finger. |
| 03:01.21 | Gnarfoz | you seem to be typing with your thumbs, so I'm not sure. |
| 03:02.37 | Dagmar | Hmm... I see I shouldn't have let that ignore expire. |
| 03:03.05 | Gnarfoz | you simply shouldn't talk so much shit to people |
| 03:03.16 | Gnarfoz | would save you tons of reactions like this. |
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| 03:30.12 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/opposite_day.jpg |
| 03:30.33 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/jacoj.jpg |
| 03:30.40 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 03:34.56 | Jerub | hardware is hard. |
| 03:35.14 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/yksin.jpg |
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| 03:51.04 | Jpapertowels | is it against the rules to post an addon on wowinterface that uses unique words from common/orcish to fully translate between factions? >.> |
| 03:51.31 | Humbedooh | yes |
| 03:51.44 | Jpapertowels | darn |
| 03:52.11 | Humbedooh | untill blizzard decides they wanna tolerate that, it's a no-no |
| 03:52.17 | bluspacecow | so a friend who works at a game stop sold someone a display box (because they insisted) for a game for no money .... they come back to ask for a refund ... of their non existent payment |
| 03:52.43 | Humbedooh | mkaaay |
| 03:52.59 | Jpapertowels | i don't understand why they don't tolerate it, especially after they made it possible to have alli/horde on same pvp server :/ |
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| 03:54.13 | kd3 | because that's one addon that they have explicitly banned since the beginning of wow. the stance isn't changing any time soon |
| 03:54.19 | kd3 | s/addon/type of addon/ |
| 03:55.44 | kd3 | from the ToU: (viii) Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa) |
| 03:55.48 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html |
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| 03:56.38 | Jpapertowels | that's silly |
| 03:56.45 | kd3 | you agreed to it |
| 03:57.12 | Xyphoid | what if i'm using realid |
| 03:57.15 | Jpapertowels | indeed i did, didn't quite know though, i mean who except lawyers goes through all that :P |
| 03:57.36 | Jpapertowels | i take it realid doesn't count toward the "directly" part of it |
| 04:00.30 | Dagmar | I miss the days when you could get away with yelling in dwarven |
| 04:06.02 | bluspacecow | and you re agree to it for every patch |
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| 04:07.39 | Amarande | Beta folks: Is Bloodvine still obtainable, or are they going to cease to offer it when ZG becomes an overworld zone? |
| 04:09.47 | kd3 | that's actually a good question |
| 04:09.54 | kd3 | sends one of his copies that direction |
| 04:10.28 | bluspacecow | kd3 |
| 04:10.35 | bluspacecow | intrepid beta explorer |
| 04:10.41 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:10.42 | bluspacecow | *hands fedora over* |
| 04:10.48 | kd3 | oh, hah |
| 04:17.48 | kd3 | in my current state (phase, I guess?) there are no NPCs/mobs in the open-world copy of ZG |
| 04:18.00 | kd3 | they did yank the instance line model, though |
| 04:18.44 | kd3 | with my bloodscythe in my inventory too |
| 04:19.07 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 04:19.10 | Jerub | need to go do ZG |
| 04:19.21 | Jerub | i'm zombiefest! away from my protdrake |
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| 04:29.42 | kd3 | huh, neat. a at-any-level daily quest in the great arena of stv |
| 04:29.53 | kd3 | s/a at-/an at-/ |
| 04:34.18 | Jerub | oh, btw, the thing where the LK kills everyone at 10%? I forgot about that and I was freaked the fuck out that I'd done something wrong and wiped the raid. |
| 04:34.29 | Jerub | or that we'd hit beserk. |
| 04:39.15 | Shirik | btw Arrowmaster I figured out why I didn't have the achievement |
| 04:39.35 | Shirik | one of the missions I had to restart in the middle, and when restarting I jumped to the rally point |
| 04:39.40 | Shirik | which doesn't give you credit for completing that mission |
| 04:39.52 | Shirik | this was because my roommate was a moron and irreparably broke that mission |
| 04:39.56 | Shirik | so we had to restart it |
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| 04:40.09 | Arrowmaster | nightfall? |
| 04:40.15 | Shirik | no |
| 04:40.16 | Shirik | um |
| 04:40.33 | Shirik | it's the one where you get on the falcon with the grenade launcher turrets |
| 04:41.09 | Arrowmaster | oh the one right after nightfall |
| 04:41.17 | Arrowmaster | we broke nightfall when i was playing coop |
| 04:42.25 | Amarande | oh different game. |
| 04:42.35 | Amarande | for a moment I thought you were talking of GW, with the bits about nightfall and missions |
| 04:43.08 | Shirik | he was a dumbass |
| 04:43.16 | Shirik | he got the chopper stuck on a tree before we got in |
| 04:43.19 | Shirik | so we got in |
| 04:43.21 | Shirik | then checkpoint |
| 04:43.25 | Shirik | then the chopper couldn't lift off |
| 04:43.31 | Shirik | we tried everything to get it in the air |
| 04:45.40 | Shirik | this is sad |
| 04:45.56 | Shirik | asked at Wikipedia: We are directional drilling contractor in New Zealand. Tendering for 12 km 33 kv power cable by open trench. We would like to directional drill some sections and want to no if there are any technical issues with puttinh cable into duct line. My first thought is that the cable could heat up! What can we do to stop this. Thank you. David |
| 04:46.08 | Shirik | I'm glad to see companies are doing everything they can to maintain safety |
| 04:46.11 | Shirik | by asking Wikipedia for answers |
| 04:46.30 | Jerub | smrt ppl wrk 4 wikipedia. |
| 04:46.38 | Jerub | they wil no! |
| 04:54.32 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: did* |
| 05:10.05 | Cairenn | night all |
| 05:24.51 | Thunder_Child | i see Cairenn|afk is pulling a fast one |
| 05:25.01 | Thunder_Child | sleep....lol |
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| 05:31.23 | Kraps | "The latest Cataclysm beta patch has removed the portals from both Dalaran and Shattrath." |
| 05:31.35 | Jerub | boats ;( |
| 05:32.05 | Jerub | i still need to get the tabbard of the crusade. |
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| 05:37.46 | Amarande | Kraps: what's going to be the point of Shattrath and Dalaran then? |
| 05:38.10 | Jerub | Amarande: the same as silvermoon? |
| 05:38.54 | Kraps | awesome music Amarande? |
| 05:41.24 | Kraps | i was at a yankee game |
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| 05:42.57 | Amarande | Kraps: are the Blasted Lands portals in capital cities still there? |
| 05:43.09 | Kraps | dunno |
| 05:43.18 | tem | fuck me sideways |
| 05:43.27 | Amarande | and I'm guessing this means that before Cata comes out we'd better all port down from Dalaran or we have a long flight and zepp trip before we can even head to Hyjal :P |
| 05:43.29 | tem | they removed the glyph vendors from dalaran |
| 05:43.47 | tem | this is a problem for me |
| 05:49.04 | unfo- | Amarande, ty for info :D |
| 05:52.12 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/798/ |
| 05:54.25 | Jerub | Adys: that's apropos as shit. |
| 05:55.05 | Adys | yes it is |
| 05:55.08 | Adys | relogging brb |
| 05:55.45 | kd3 | su |
| 05:56.06 | kd3 | sigh |
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| 05:56.11 | Jerub | Password: |
| 05:56.25 | kd3 | password |
| 05:56.31 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 06:01.18 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:06.49 | cog|away | Fiskers Fisker around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 06:07.26 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:08.11 | cogwheel | has worms |
| 06:09.51 | Fisker | i'm very sick cogwheel |
| 06:10.35 | cogwheel | u must've caught it from me |
| 06:10.47 | cogwheel | it worked! |
| 06:11.18 | cogwheel | remember i kept coughing on you when i was sick? |
| 06:11.33 | Fisker | naw |
| 06:13.21 | Kraps | fury is crazy awesome |
| 06:14.58 | Kraps | massive self healing, quick pwnage |
| 06:15.53 | cogwheel | fury warr is like blood dk with a bunch of unspent talent points... |
| 06:16.30 | Kraps | on the beta i mean |
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| 06:17.39 | Kraps | you're saying blood on the beta is the same way? |
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| 06:20.47 | Kraps | cogwheel: ^ |
| 06:21.01 | cogwheel | no... i was thinking of live |
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| 06:22.38 | Kraps | take for example http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=16492 http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=84580 |
| 06:23.43 | Kraps | the latter one seems crazy op |
| 06:24.27 | Xuerian | Stanzilla, Mikk: Ping |
| 06:25.08 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 06:25.11 | Fisker | you are a bad person |
| 06:26.00 | Kraps | corn |
| 06:33.46 | Fisker | why are you a bad person Kraps ? |
| 06:35.03 | NeoTron | so far I had to fix a few minor bugs in my addons to make them work with 4.0 and in all but one case it was a bug on live as well, but not visible |
| 06:37.04 | NeoTron | From the looks of things Magic Marker might have a place in Cataclysm again, both for raiding and 5 mans |
| 06:39.33 | zenzio | what annoys me more in installers these days than that they want to place themselves on your desktop, quick launch, start menu, and all sorts of crazy stuff is when they want to include completely unrelated software |
| 06:39.47 | zenzio | "So you want to use Skype? Why not also install Chrome!" |
| 06:42.55 | Jerub | there's one installer (skype i thought) that tries to install the yahoo! toolbar for you. |
| 06:43.20 | zenzio | if the Skype installer does that, it doesn't give you any choice |
| 06:43.48 | zenzio | but yeah, there are so many "... Toolbars" being sneakily installed with all kinds of programs |
| 06:44.06 | zenzio | why on earth would I want the Ask Toolbar when installing Nero? I vehemently hate the Ask Toolbar |
| 06:45.01 | zenzio | reinstalled Windows on a friend's laptop, installed some program that apparently snuck in the Ask Toolbar, upgraded IE to version 8, and suddenly boot.ini went missing because for some reason the Ask Toolbar did that when you had IE8 installed |
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| 06:54.33 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/EyjyX.gif |
| 06:58.45 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: pong |
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| 06:59.41 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: It should be on WoWI, thought I don't know if it's been approved yet.. hmm. need a admin to poke. updating description anyway, if it doesn't get passed in a minute I'll mf a zip |
| 07:02.45 | Xuerian | Thanks, anonymous admin >_> |
| 07:03.02 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: File and description updated. All options could use testing, but mostly setting options and profiles. |
| 07:03.31 | Amarande | so, that run as a tank went just fine |
| 07:03.37 | Amarande | except, I've just run into something I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE |
| 07:03.44 | Amarande | "You do not have a valid teleport location" when teleporting out of dungeon |
| 07:03.45 | Amarande | WTF? |
| 07:03.53 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 07:03.54 | Xuerian | Where were you? |
| 07:04.04 | zenzio | stop using your hearthstone as a shield, it breaks |
| 07:04.26 | Amarande | Xuerian: All I can think of is that I teleported out, THEN hearthed, THEN teleported back in |
| 07:04.37 | Xuerian | see above comment |
| 07:04.46 | Amarande | because I started as DPS, then the tank left after Volazj, so after asking the healer if he was ok with a 518 def tank, I went to get my gear and then requeued as tank |
| 07:05.29 | Xuerian | Amarande: "Ok with a 518 tank" lol, you can do heroics with 500 def, so long as the healer isn't in greens, or isn't a holy priest. :p |
| 07:05.41 | Xuerian | At least I have been... >_> |
| 07:05.48 | Amarande | Xuerian: I figured it best to ask if I didn't have 535 |
| 07:05.55 | Xuerian | but crits are fun |
| 07:05.58 | Amarande | 526 now, with the blue boots from Volazj. |
| 07:06.06 | zenzio | knowing how pissy PUGs can be, I think it was best to ask |
| 07:06.31 | Xuerian | LFD: If one pug doesn't like you, the next one probably will. |
| 07:06.48 | Xuerian | [if that one doesn't, apply more female character] |
| 07:07.00 | Amarande | Actually, in this dungeon, it probably didn't matter so much to be def capped |
| 07:07.14 | Xuerian | Heroic icc 5's probably are |
| 07:07.28 | Xuerian | [the only ones], so long as you have over 22k or so |
| 07:07.28 | Amarande | Ahn'kahet, after we'd already downed Nadox |
| 07:07.48 | Amarande | Taldaram is so obsessed with casting that def cap probably doesn't even matter at all, since mobs can't crit with spells |
| 07:07.56 | Amarande | and Volazj relies too much on Insanity |
| 07:08.10 | Xuerian | Tank being my second after heals, I'd say I really don't care so long as they're over 25k |
| 07:09.07 | Xuerian | After all, def capped and 30k+ is boring as fuck |
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| 07:09.34 | Xuerian | "riptide... hw.. riptide............. riptide.............. riptide..... ch+lhw+lhw... |
| 07:09.34 | Amarande | There a defense enchant for boots? |
| 07:10.43 | Xuerian | Looking into it, there were more defense enchants than I thought. Really didn't bother if it wasn't a good 200 blue or epic, though |
| 07:12.07 | Amarande | And yet in a week or two this won't matter at all |
| 07:12.17 | Amarande | since Defense Rating will be gone and Defense becomes simply Dodge |
| 07:12.35 | Xuerian | Pretty much. I've obviously put off my mount achievements too long, sadface.. |
| 07:12.48 | Xuerian | still wants the ulduar protodrakes =| |
| 07:12.48 | zenzio | don't know about other classes, but I didn't really have any defense trouble in WotLK except while leveling up. Dinged 80, crafted the saronite set and had enough |
| 07:12.52 | zenzio | as a warrior |
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| 07:13.36 | Xuerian | zenzio: I had the green one crafted at 70, and didn't have any problems as I picked up pieces here and there. Sure beat scrambling for it all, but it was pretty boring |
| 07:13.53 | Xuerian | Amarande: I didn't see a defense enchant, where you seeing one? |
| 07:14.04 | zenzio | Xuerian: well I was basicallly full T6 from 70 to 80, so I didn't bother until 80 :-p |
| 07:14.16 | Xuerian | then you don't count :p |
| 07:14.31 | zenzio | but I was still not defense capped during my first few heroics |
| 07:15.01 | Amarande | Xuerian: I wasn't sure what was on boots |
| 07:15.06 | Amarande | eventually settled on Tuskarr's |
| 07:15.11 | Xuerian | Amarande: Stam or agi |
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| 07:15.52 | Amarande | Xuerian: that's the stam+movement one |
| 07:16.01 | Xuerian | yea |
| 07:16.09 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka |
| 07:16.11 | Amarande | that's the tanking gear so far |
| 07:16.15 | Amarande | still a few slots that I can replace |
| 07:18.22 | Amarande | Cloak, belt, legs, second trinket & sigil are still DPS stuff |
| 07:18.33 | Amarande | although given how radically sigils are changing, I'll probably not bother with touching the relic |
| 07:18.38 | Xuerian | brewfest trinkets ftw |
| 07:18.45 | Xyphoid | the brewfest tank trinkets are pro |
| 07:18.45 | Xyphoid | snap |
| 07:18.51 | Xuerian | ;P |
| 07:19.03 | Xuerian | had them waiting when I hit 80 |
| 07:19.08 | Amarande | and if you don't remember that neckpiece, that's the conq badge one |
| 07:19.23 | Xuerian | (I tanked ten or so runs, two of which, as a sub-80, i wasn't tanking... with tank classes in nearly every group) |
| 07:19.41 | Xuerian | (BUT I LEIK DPS) |
| 07:22.24 | Jerub | Amarande: hey man. |
| 07:22.54 | Jerub | Amarande: got KS on my main yesterday, and got my 5k gs mage to sindy as well. |
| 07:22.54 | Jerub | :D |
| 07:25.13 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/09/26/demotivational-posters-stretching-2/ |
| 07:26.04 | Amarande | yay :) |
| 07:26.07 | Amarande | still haven't got KS yet |
| 07:26.12 | Amarande | but we're a very solid 11/12 now |
| 07:26.20 | Amarande | and semi-8/12 in ICC25, too |
| 07:26.35 | Amarande | (Haven't gotten PP, but I have gotten Princes and Valithria) |
| 07:27.57 | Amarande | I am going to let the relic ride. Blood tanking uses DS regularly anyway for death runes so I should at least be getting 1-2 stacks of Indomitable most of the time, and the relics are changing too much in Cata for it to be worth investing more frost badges in the tanking one |
| 07:28.36 | Amarande | Besides, a little DPS gear might be helpful in 4.0, as long as I have the HP, dodge and parry to tank effectively |
| 07:28.46 | Amarande | seeing as tanks will need to deal a little more DPS in order to maintain threat |
| 07:28.52 | Amarande | at least, DK and pally tanks, in particular |
| 07:29.03 | Amarande | IIRC, druid and warrior tanks rely a lot more on "extra threat" abilities |
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| 07:30.09 | Amarande | actually, being a DPS/tank dual spec DK is probably cloud nine for Cata |
| 07:30.20 | Amarande | you can sub in DPS or tank pieces as needed when tanking to control threat/survival needs |
| 07:30.26 | Amarande | since there's no more Defense Rating to worry about |
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| 07:37.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, I'm going to assume not |
| 07:37.22 | Shirik | considering I forgot |
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| 07:37.47 | Reiser_ | i didn't kill my wife |
| 07:42.55 | Xuerian | Tanked that OldK with 515 and 24k no problems, even did the no cultists achievement |
| 07:43.04 | Xuerian | wtb cataclysm hard content pst |
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| 07:46.43 | unfo- | Xuerian, meaning your healer was up to par? |
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| 07:46.54 | Xuerian | man, my healer was the shit >_> |
| 07:47.13 | Xyphoid | the groups you get sometimes are hilarious now |
| 07:47.18 | Xuerian | But really, what random-heroic queueing one isn't anymore =\ |
| 07:47.26 | Xuerian | I was the only one in my group not in 245+ epics |
| 07:47.33 | Xuerian | it's 4am lfd |
| 07:47.36 | Xyphoid | two rogues for gundrak doing 9k each |
| 07:47.47 | unfo- | ;D |
| 07:48.02 | unfo- | FoK spam or single target? |
| 07:48.09 | Xyphoid | they did less'rabi for me |
| 07:48.18 | Xyphoid | so single target with hero |
| 07:49.33 | Xuerian | Damn. Wtb those rogues, I want that achieve |
| 07:49.59 | Xyphoid | what happened to rogues anyway |
| 07:50.02 | Amarande | yeah I still need less'rabi too |
| 07:50.04 | Xyphoid | i hardly ever see them now |
| 07:50.10 | Amarande | it's one of like ... six or seven or so only now that I need |
| 07:50.37 | Xuerian | Hm.. randomly, anyone on Blackrock US? |
| 07:50.57 | Shirik | I could be |
| 07:50.58 | Shirik | why? |
| 07:51.35 | Amarande | I need Chaos Theory, Less-rabi, Zombiefest, The Incredible Hulk, Experienced Drake Rider (only need Emerald now), Amber Void, and Emerald Void |
| 07:51.54 | Xuerian | Shirik: Gonna be transferring my resto shammy there next week |
| 07:51.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:52.06 | Shirik | I thought you needed something |
| 07:52.19 | Xuerian | Nope |
| 07:52.22 | Xuerian | just scouting |
| 07:54.11 | Amarande | heh ... looking at some of the other cheeves |
| 07:54.19 | Amarande | Within Our Grasp ... that's one I will never ever get LOL |
| 07:54.34 | Amarande | because, mainly, well |
| 07:54.40 | Amarande | in order to get that, you have to be ATTACKING wg |
| 07:54.44 | Amarande | we basically always HAVE wg lol |
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| 07:57.56 | Amarande | on a completely off topic, have any of you guys bought Dragon Age via Steam? |
| 07:58.08 | unfo- | Amarande, i have |
| 07:58.21 | Amarande | unfo: do you know if there's any special procedure for getting DLC when it's a Steam install? |
| 07:58.57 | unfo- | Amarande, do you mean the expansion dlc or the "special edition" location + gear ? |
| 07:59.25 | Amarande | I mean the bits and pieces you can buy |
| 07:59.35 | Amarande | not Awakening, I already got that with Origins as the deal set on Steam |
| 08:00.26 | unfo- | Amarande, hmmh... i think you just need to activate your cd-key you get from Steam at your EA account and those items become availabe for download in the in-game dlc manager |
| 08:01.43 | Amarande | EA account ... oy ... I'm not sure if I have one or not (I have been registered with Pogo, which suggests I probably do, but I'm not sure) |
| 08:01.59 | bluspacecow | so |
| 08:02.00 | bluspacecow | http://www.mediaworks.co.nz/Default.aspx?tabid=240 |
| 08:02.01 | bluspacecow | or |
| 08:02.07 | bluspacecow | http://wowace.com/404page |
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| 08:02.12 | bluspacecow | better 404 page |
| 08:03.35 | unfo- | Amarande, well iirc you need to have one if you want new shiny bits to your game |
| 08:04.06 | unfo- | Amarande, in this setting steam is just the license seller of DLCs and EA is the authority + enabler |
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| 08:07.14 | Amarande | yes, apparently a Pogo account is an EA account. |
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| 08:11.33 | zenzio | "Blizzard doesn't want you to use Shattrath and Dalaran as portal hubs anymore, the latest beta update removed all the portal to the cities and replaced them with class trainers. " -- I wonder if this is final |
| 08:12.24 | unfo- | doesn't org have portals now? |
| 08:12.34 | Amarande | zenzio: Blizzard sucks then :P |
| 08:12.39 | zenzio | no idea, I'm not in the beta... I only know what I read |
| 08:12.46 | Amarande | that, DEFINITELY, falls under what TV Tropes would call "Stop Having Fun Guys!" |
| 08:13.01 | Amarande | which I ... don't get |
| 08:13.01 | Amarande | because |
| 08:13.03 | Amarande | it's a game |
| 08:13.06 | Amarande | you're supposed to have *FUNU* |
| 08:13.08 | Amarande | er, *FUN* |
| 08:13.13 | Amarande | what's the point, otherwise? |
| 08:13.43 | zenzio | personally I wouldn't mind if they had removed those portals, but I can se why most people would |
| 08:15.27 | zenzio | I don't suppose that now that we can fly in Azeroth, we can fly across the sea? (triggering the zoning) |
| 08:15.59 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:16.32 | Xyphoid | it's a pretty heavy-handed way of making you hang out in Org |
| 08:16.59 | Amarande | heh, for some reason I always prefer to go to UC rather than Org when I need something from a horde capital |
| 08:17.04 | Amarande | unless I actually need to spend honor |
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| 08:37.00 | harl | hi |
| 08:48.36 | Fisker | stop being a jerk harl :( |
| 08:58.11 | Fisker | so Ackis |
| 08:58.15 | Fisker | where's your god now? |
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| 09:12.20 | Amarande | oy, when did I become hooked on Captain Morgan and Hold'em |
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| 09:15.10 | Fisker | when did i becomes hooked on SSD's in a raid Amarande? |
| 09:15.48 | Amarande | ? |
| 09:15.59 | Amarande | raid night's not till thursday |
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| 09:19.03 | Fisker | http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107609&stc=1&d=1284233102 <-i just came |
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| 09:23.17 | Xyphoid | oh god daylight savings season - time for raid failures |
| 09:23.29 | unfo- | Fisker, half a terabyte of SSD? wa? |
| 09:23.46 | Amarande | Fisker, have you seen the terabyte SSD on newegg? :) |
| 09:23.51 | Amarande | Only $4400 or so! |
| 09:25.31 | Amarande | ah, crap |
| 09:25.36 | Amarande | I forgot to take the garbage out again tonight |
| 09:25.37 | Amarande | bbiab |
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| 09:41.13 | Fisker | meh Amarande |
| 09:41.29 | Fisker | Intel should release their 600GB SSD in a few weeks/month |
| 09:44.38 | Mikk | 600 gigabytes SSD?! |
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| 09:46.55 | Dagmar | Mikk: Dude, it's not that new. Toshiba's dropping 2 terabyte microSD card in October |
| 09:47.17 | Mikk | faints |
| 09:47.29 | Dagmar | They've had this capability for a while, but seriously, does the average joe _need_ 2Tb of flash storage? |
| 09:47.44 | Mikk | Wth it seems like only last week we were talking about SSDs with 1% of that |
| 09:47.57 | Dagmar | Yeah that market is stuck |
| 09:48.53 | Mikk | This reminds me I need to get a SSD for my system :) |
| 09:48.58 | Mikk | Stick windows & WoW on it & profit. |
| 09:49.01 | Fisker | lol 2terabyte Micro SD |
| 09:49.04 | Dagmar | They're the same price they were this time last year. |
| 09:49.19 | Fisker | maybe if you get a sata to ->microsd adapter |
| 09:49.27 | Dagmar | ...which I expect to fucking MOVE somewhere by winter, due to what all came out at the trade shows this year |
| 09:49.57 | Dagmar | Fisker: The protocol is actually pretty simple, and there's single chips to do that |
| 09:50.47 | Dagmar | Remember those first eee PCs ASUS rolled out had ssd storage as the boot drive, just soldered the stuff onto the board. |
| 09:51.21 | Dagmar | Literally, the same chip that would go into an sdcard, on the board |
| 09:51.22 | Mikk | "SanDisk SSD 80 GB Internal hard drive - 100 MBps $5,470 new - 8 stores" |
| 09:51.23 | Fisker | i'm just saying you're not getting 2TB MicroSD in a MicroSD formfactor anytime soon |
| 09:51.23 | Mikk | wtf |
| 09:52.12 | cbreak_work | that's expensive |
| 09:52.24 | cbreak_work | the US $ must have fallen quite a bit in the last few days |
| 09:52.47 | Dagmar | That price is _way_ outlier |
| 09:52.55 | Amarande | Mikk: that's a ripoff |
| 09:53.04 | Amarande | you can get a terabyte SSD for $1000 less than that |
| 09:53.33 | Amarande | personally I'm more interested right now in getting Windows 7 and two more gigs of RAM |
| 09:53.37 | Amarande | but I'm holding off on it for a bit |
| 09:54.45 | Dagmar | SuperTalebt's got a 512Gb for about $1200, problem is... who the hell _needs_ it at that price point. |
| 09:54.52 | Dagmar | http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_08/pr0401.htm |
| 09:55.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: at that point, it's Greed, not Need |
| 09:55.37 | Dagmar | Not quite that much greed rolling around in this economy |
| 09:56.05 | Dagmar | Anyway, you're pretty much better off getting a non-suck RAID card and using smaller disks for that price point |
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| 10:00.56 | Mikk | there we go.. 40GB for $100 |
| 10:01.13 | Mikk | unless i'm supposed to stay away from intel X-25 |
| 10:01.17 | Mikk | is clueless |
| 10:01.28 | Fisker | They're ok but their controller is a bit dated now |
| 10:01.39 | Fisker | They're making a refresh in a few weeks |
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| 10:01.50 | Fisker | and i would expect the 160GB verrsion to be around $150 |
| 10:01.56 | Fisker | version* |
| 10:02.51 | Mikk | humhum yeah write speed 50MB/s ? |
| 10:03.42 | Fisker | ah yeah |
| 10:03.51 | Fisker | 40GB is X-25V right? |
| 10:03.57 | Mikk | yes |
| 10:04.03 | Fisker | might have even worse controllers than x-25m |
| 10:04.21 | Fisker | Anyway i'm hoping the refresh will give us a better controller |
| 10:04.41 | Mikk | er no, x-25m |
| 10:05.08 | Fisker | might be a 1st gen one then |
| 10:05.24 | Fisker | they're even worse |
| 10:05.57 | Mikk | hmmm OCZ? |
| 10:06.33 | Adys | obsessive compulsive zealotry? |
| 10:06.41 | Mikk | haha |
| 10:06.46 | Mikk | maker of SSDs actually :P |
| 10:06.50 | Mikk | my local store seems to like them |
| 10:06.56 | Adys | heard it both ways |
| 10:07.33 | Fisker | the problem with OCZ as i recall is that they have a truckload of shitty SSD's |
| 10:07.38 | Mikk | 200 gigs of sata2, 285/275 MB/s |
| 10:07.41 | Fisker | but i believe they have the one with the current best controller |
| 10:08.06 | Mikk | but yes they have ones with as crappy speeds as x-25m too |
| 10:08.43 | Fisker | man |
| 10:08.53 | Mikk | oh hey 60 gigs of sata2 @ 285/275 MB/s, $200ish |
| 10:08.57 | Fisker | did Microsoft really just set out to make the worst mobile operating system in history? |
| 10:09.18 | Mikk | what, re-release windows CE? |
| 10:09.34 | Fisker | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=19721 |
| 10:10.38 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 10:10.41 | jnwhiteh | I want to buy my Kindle |
| 10:10.47 | Mikk | then again i'm not super sure i care about write speeds |
| 10:10.49 | jnwhiteh | but I want to do it via gift certs rather than paypal |
| 10:10.57 | jnwhiteh | wah, so I still need to wait. |
| 10:11.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | get it in the use |
| 10:11.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | us |
| 10:11.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | and have it shipped |
| 10:11.29 | jnwhiteh | then I have to fuck with customs and duty |
| 10:12.19 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 10:12.22 | jnwhiteh | the US version ships in 3-5 days |
| 10:12.22 | Fisker | how much is your kindle? |
| 10:12.25 | Mikk | OCZ has fun pci-e cards too, with 540/480 MB/s :) |
| 10:12.26 | jnwhiteh | the UK version is 1-2 weeks =( |
| 10:14.03 | Mikk | http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid-state-drives/pci-express/revodrive/ocz-revodrive-pci-express-ssd-.html <- WROOM |
| 10:14.54 | Mikk | "Note: Before installing the RevoDrive it is important to check the settings/capabilities on your motherboard. If you plan on using the RevoDrive as a boot drive please check that your motherboard supports boot over PCI-E." groumf.... |
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| 10:25.54 | airtonix | Fisker, they are rather busy trying to get the TPM module and outlook running properly on it to actually give you copy paste |
| 10:26.17 | zenzio | threat per minute? |
| 10:26.38 | Fisker | trusted platform module |
| 10:26.50 | airtonix | Fisker, "lolTethering" is going to be another phone sized device that you place behind your phone to provide the feature |
| 10:27.29 | airtonix | and it will cost 3/4 the cost of your phone |
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| 10:28.17 | airtonix | plus keeping it registered means you need a data plan and that you accept that 1/4 of that plan gets eaten by verification traffic |
| 10:28.30 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 10:28.55 | Fisker | their phone is a mess |
| 10:28.57 | airtonix | if you put your sim card in another phone then back in your winphone, it promptly melts |
| 10:29.09 | Fisker | WM6.5 might even be better |
| 10:29.23 | airtonix | food time |
| 10:29.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | WinMo6.5 aint bad |
| 10:29.30 | Fisker | eu sucks btw |
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| 10:53.56 | LebQzz | pcie flashdrive? |
| 10:54.43 | sylvanaar_work | im thinking of getting a 64G flash drive, any reason not to? |
| 10:57.44 | LebQzz | exactly... there is no reason in getting one ;) since reason is one letter from TREASON so i guess you're letting someone down |
| 10:58.56 | Amarande | btw, you know what would have been just totally awesome fun if they could have pulled it off? |
| 10:59.02 | Amarande | if they'd made the Gunship Battle a PvP thing |
| 10:59.27 | Amarande | Normally I don't care THAT much for non-Wintergrasp/Battleground PvP but that would have just been a *really* fun thing |
| 10:59.27 | zenzio | "sorry guys, we can't do ICC this week, the horde didn't show up" |
| 10:59.40 | Amarande | zenzio: yeah that would suck |
| 10:59.49 | Amarande | but if it could actually have been made to work it would have been really neat |
| 10:59.56 | zenzio | but outside of that, it woudl have been interesting |
| 11:00.33 | Amarande | as for my tendency to prefer contained PvP that may be because of my gaming background |
| 11:00.37 | Amarande | I had played GW a lot before I came to WoW |
| 11:01.04 | Amarande | my elementalist is actually a Protector of Cantha and Elona |
| 11:01.18 | Amarande | and did complete Prophecies, but I think I might be missing a bonus or two |
| 11:01.19 | zenzio | tells me nothing |
| 11:02.55 | A-KO | lol |
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| 11:30.14 | Avis | Is there an easy way to dynamically add or remove options with aceconfig ? |
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| 11:33.22 | zenzio | "The thing about it is your right hardcore lifless bitchy hardcore players complain about how WoLTK is casual heaven bla bla bla i lose my faith in humainty when i see a hardcore insulting somebody calling them a "casual" and a "baddie" and thinking that the insult ACTULLY affects them at all. " |
| 11:33.28 | zenzio | sounds to me like it affects him |
| 11:34.01 | Amarande | especially since Blizzard DID take efforts to cater to the hardcore |
| 11:34.05 | Amarande | Light of Dawn anyone? |
| 11:34.33 | Amarande | There's still times I think Light of Dawn should be the 10 man title and the 25 should be "The Masochist" |
| 11:34.52 | Amarande | Especially remembering that to do LK heroic means you have at least 4/12 HMs |
| 11:35.02 | Amarande | including the insufferable Sindy HM |
| 11:35.26 | Amarande | Sindy is annoying enough on Normal 10, let alone Heroic 25, seriously |
| 11:36.02 | airtonix | Avis, you mean without re-rendering the entrie interface definition ? |
| 11:36.09 | Amarande | the trouble with Sindy is there's no room for fun ... it's just a pure choreography fight :( |
| 11:36.18 | Amarande | nothing really to enjoy, just a test of your run back and forth skills |
| 11:36.31 | Avis | thats basically what i'm doing atm, its just kindof tedius lol |
| 11:36.44 | Amarande | at least PP and BQL are situational reaction fights, which tend by their nature to be fun |
| 11:36.49 | Amarande | Sindy just sucks. |
| 11:36.58 | airtonix | Avis, i think you need to move the bits you think would change often into separate modules |
| 11:37.24 | airtonix | Avis, but changes to the interface require a complete redraw anyway |
| 11:37.56 | Amarande | btw |
| 11:37.59 | Amarande | at this point in LK |
| 11:38.11 | Amarande | am I right that there's really no point to doing HMs other than Gunship, PP, BQL, Sindy, and LK? |
| 11:38.31 | zenzio | you could do them because you like them |
| 11:38.42 | Spejnar | for 10man? not really, no |
| 11:38.43 | zenzio | but it sounds like you personally don't :-p |
| 11:38.45 | Amarande | zenzio: yes, with the right raid they are fun :) |
| 11:38.49 | Amarande | except Sindy |
| 11:38.52 | Amarande | Sindy sucks. :) |
| 11:38.57 | Avis | or if you want gear that will last you to 84 or 85 instead of 83 on alts XD |
| 11:39.01 | Amarande | sadly, you have to do her on HM to be able to do LK |
| 11:39.12 | Amarande | Avis: speaking of that |
| 11:39.19 | Amarande | will the exalted Ashen ring last to 85? |
| 11:39.43 | Avis | probably, but you'll replace it in 85 instances, or definitly in heroics |
| 11:40.00 | Spejnar | Ive seen blue 83 that is better than heroic25 |
| 11:40.03 | Spejnar | so doubt it |
| 11:40.05 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka basically wondering what I'll replace when. |
| 11:40.09 | Avis | trying to do 85 5 mans in even 277s is terrible just because your health is so low |
| 11:40.48 | Amarande | At least I'll still have my Ashen Verdict title to display, in any case :) |
| 11:41.02 | Amarande | finally a souvenir for "yes, I was there for LK" |
| 11:41.18 | Amarande | and that was really the real reason I felt bad about missing out on Champion of the Naaru on the warlock |
| 11:41.18 | Spejnar | unless you get Bane its nothing to brag about ;) |
| 11:41.25 | Amarande | it wasn't so much glory or honor or such |
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| 11:41.36 | Amarande | as having a real thing to say "yeah, I was here for BC" |
| 11:41.47 | Amarande | since gear gets replaced, but titles stay |
| 11:42.11 | Amarande | Spejnar: yeah I'm not sure we'll get Glory |
| 11:42.13 | Amarande | er, Bane |
| 11:42.13 | Avis | lets just say a level 83 blue trinket they gave me on my premade hunter has 250 mastery on equip, and a buff that gives 30 agi per stack on any attack, stacking 10 times |
| 11:42.25 | Amarande | we'll probably get Kingslayer though, assuming Cata doesn't blindside us |
| 11:42.32 | Spejnar | Amarande: me neither, I want it so bad :/ |
| 11:42.38 | Amarande | Avis: exactly how does Mastery compare to other stats, btw? |
| 11:42.51 | Amarande | I've only looked around the PTR a little, so I'm not sure about that one in particular |
| 11:42.53 | Spejnar | probably awesome end game stat |
| 11:42.58 | Avis | Its pretty good actually |
| 11:43.10 | Amarande | Avis: better than the traditional stats most players strive for?\ |
| 11:43.13 | Spejnar | some classes get more or less awesome things, lightning overload for elemental shamans |
| 11:43.22 | Amarande | (And in particular ... Better than Strength on Frost DPS DK?) |
| 11:43.27 | Avis | the 250 mastery from that trinket gives me roughly 4% pet dps |
| 11:43.35 | Avis | which translates to 1.5-2% total dps atm |
| 11:43.43 | Amarande | since I'll probably be continuing with the same spec sets as I did in LK on the DK |
| 11:43.54 | Amarande | namely, frost DW DPS mainspec and blood tank OS |
| 11:44.04 | Avis | mastery shouldnt outscale strength, being a secondary stat |
| 11:44.26 | Amarande | I'm excited for finally seeing 1H DPS strength weapons, too |
| 11:44.29 | Amarande | LK had NONE |
| 11:45.00 | Amarande | all the 1H stuff was either Agi based, or for tanks or casters |
| 11:45.13 | Avis | after playing a hunter on beta for a couple months, I cant even play my live hunter lol |
| 11:45.19 | Amarande | so frost DPS basically had to settle for Agi weapons |
| 11:45.25 | Avis | keep trying to spam arcane shot or run out of mana b/c i'm used to focus |
| 11:45.28 | Amarande | and apparently will shed about 300 AP in Cata |
| 11:45.41 | Amarande | since we lose the AP on weapons (it won't be there anymore) and we don't get AP from Agi anymore |
| 11:46.07 | Amarande | and from what I saw on PTR they really didn't bump up 1H weapon base DPS much if at all |
| 11:46.12 | Amarande | but we'll survive :) |
| 11:46.20 | Amarande | only a couple months till cata comes out and gives us real gear |
| 11:46.20 | Avis | holy crap |
| 11:46.31 | Avis | they gave the new worm pet ability actual damage |
| 11:46.40 | Amarande | Avis: I've never played a hunter past 62 :) |
| 11:46.44 | Amarande | and I still refuse to spec BM |
| 11:46.55 | Avis | he burrows underground and does a sort of aoe |
| 11:47.02 | Avis | just used it on 3 target dummies and he die 10k dps |
| 11:47.24 | Amarande | my next hunter will probably go Surv |
| 11:47.31 | Amarande | I've tried BM, want to try out Surv |
| 11:47.36 | Amarande | er, not BM, MM |
| 11:47.39 | Amarande | like I said |
| 11:47.41 | Amarande | I won't *DO* BM. |
| 11:47.53 | unfo- | why |
| 11:48.33 | Avis | bm is definitly a lot better than live atm |
| 11:48.42 | Avis | but still has a simpler rotation than mm and surv |
| 11:48.47 | Amarande | unfo: I think it's just reactionary |
| 11:48.52 | Amarande | *everyone* I know with hunters goes BM |
| 11:48.59 | Amarande | it feels too cookie cutter |
| 11:49.50 | unfo- | Amarande, because most people choose hunter BECAUSE of the pet then it makes sense to perfect that, no? |
| 11:50.16 | unfo- | at least that's why i am and will be a BM hunter |
| 11:50.32 | unfo- | if i want 'regular' ranged dps i go for a caster |
| 11:50.34 | zenzio | I agree, though I do suspect some people just want a ranged character that's not a caster |
| 11:51.16 | unfo- | yeah some sure. |
| 11:52.20 | zenzio | personally I wanted the pet (for my hunter alt), but in general I missed the ranged weapon DPS aspect I was so used to from Anarchy Online |
| 11:52.37 | zenzio | think that's why I ended up melee |
| 11:53.20 | Jerub | well, that was exciting |
| 11:53.27 | Jerub | this pug downed sindy, and now we're going LK |
| 11:54.05 | Jerub | we go over fight, we're nearly ready, just buffing, and hunter goes offline. |
| 11:54.16 | Jerub | we see his toons all log on in sequence |
| 11:54.27 | zenzio | "Jimi Heselden, the owner of the Segway company, has died after riding one of the two-wheeled machines off a cliff and into a river." - oh, the irony... |
| 11:54.28 | Jerub | and before he can reset his password he loses 400+ frost badges, 15000g |
| 11:55.04 | unfo- | Jerub, ouch! |
| 11:55.52 | Amarande | unfo: well I do have certain pet preferences |
| 11:56.03 | Amarande | but I really am not that into the exotics, except maybe silithids |
| 11:56.14 | Amarande | my favorite pet types are bird of prey and spider |
| 11:56.25 | Avis | wish silithids were ferocity |
| 11:56.25 | unfo- | well not exotics, but buffing the pet aspect of the class == bm |
| 11:56.46 | Amarande | BM might have let me keep my spider though |
| 11:56.46 | Avis | the rhino special move is hilarious in bgs |
| 11:56.48 | Amarande | the main thing was |
| 11:56.57 | Amarande | I was MM, and my spider couldn't hold aggro well enough anymore by 40 or so |
| 11:56.58 | Avis | its like a 1 minute cooldown that does a 30 yd knockback |
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| 11:57.15 | Amarande | so I ended up taming one of the crocolisks from Dustwallow where I was questing, and it became my new main pet on that hunter |
| 11:59.18 | Amarande | more beta stuff, btw: |
| 11:59.27 | Amarande | does the Doctor still drop the Sawbones Shirt in Scholo? |
| 11:59.33 | Amarande | or did that get dropped with the level change? |
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| 12:26.49 | Avis | man, ace makes life so much easier once you start to figure it out =O |
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| 12:27.07 | Avis | which I suppose is it's point |
| 12:27.32 | Amarande | Heya Peppy :) |
| 12:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi to you. |
| 12:32.49 | Amarande | Howya been? |
| 12:32.52 | Amarande | I don't think I've seen you in a while! |
| 12:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | You haven't, Amarande. I've been up to my ears in family stuffs last week. |
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| 12:40.27 | Amarande | Aw. :( |
| 12:40.33 | Amarande | Preordered Cata yet? |
| 12:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | Not yet... it's on the list of things to do soon though. |
| 12:44.34 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzio. |
| 12:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | hides under zenzio's bed. |
| 12:45.31 | zenzio | it would be more comfortable to hide in the bed, and I'm not even home now so you wouldn't have to worry |
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| 12:58.46 | Amarande | ok this is probably a stupid question but |
| 12:58.56 | zenzio | it happens sometimes; try drinking less |
| 12:59.11 | Amarande | you still get the Quel'Delar cheeve even if you turn your hilt into one of the three weapons that isn't named Quel'Delar something or other right? |
| 12:59.58 | Amarande | since I notice of the 8 or so options three aren't actually called Q'D |
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| 13:10.54 | Olorin__ | Any moderators on from WoW Interface? |
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| 13:19.28 | Grum | Amarande: i think you get it for simply completing the quest, not as much as holding a specific weapon in hand |
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| 13:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Olorin__, it may still be a bit early for them to be awake, on a Monday. :) |
| 13:24.25 | Olorin__ | 2pm here lol :) |
| 13:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | Just past 9am for some of them, still early! |
| 13:25.27 | Olorin__ | ok ill let em have a half-hour layi-in |
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| 13:32.11 | Amarande | I considered a hilt at one point |
| 13:32.16 | Amarande | but now my DK has dual 264's anyway |
| 13:32.25 | Amarande | and a 251 2H for tanking |
| 13:33.52 | |Jelly| | It's waaaaaaaaaay too early, Peppy. <3 |
| 13:34.00 | unfo- | i've been wondering how to rid myself of altoholism... and so far i've not seen a good way to... esp. since guildies know i have 2,5 healers |
| 13:34.55 | zenzio | you have a gnome priest? |
| 13:35.10 | Amarande | I actually went tough love on my account a few weeks ago and DELETED everyone I had who was below 70, save for my bank alt |
| 13:35.20 | Amarande | at least, on my main server |
| 13:35.27 | Lopeppeppy | I am soooooo re-rolling Peppy as a priestess. |
| 13:35.33 | Amarande | I still have the other-realms 34 and 41 |
| 13:35.46 | Amarande | So on my main server I just have the Disc priest, Aff lock and DK |
| 13:35.56 | unfo- | zenzio, boomer which can swap to healer if needed |
| 13:35.56 | Amarande | of which the lock and DK are 80 and the priest 70 |
| 13:36.22 | unfo- | Amarande, i have a single char below 70 and it's a lvl 19 twink warrior. |
| 13:36.42 | unfo- | Amarande, 70 shammy, 74 rogue, 78 dk, 80: pala, druid, priest, warlock, hunter |
| 13:37.04 | Amarande | Main is my DK now. |
| 13:37.09 | unfo- | i never ever play warlock and hunter because dps + lfg = ftl |
| 13:37.16 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka |
| 13:37.34 | Amarande | I don't play the lock now much because caster DPS doesn't feel as good as melee |
| 13:37.36 | unfo- | i somehow thought i would get to gear em up but alas no |
| 13:38.04 | unfo- | lfg queues: tank(0.5s), healer(<5min), dps(15+ min) |
| 13:38.09 | unfo- | >____> sad panda is sad |
| 13:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hell no, alts don't get geared unless you're in a raiding guild that needs your alt!! |
| 13:38.49 | zenzio | unfo-: boomer? And I thought my .5 = gnome joke was obvious :-p |
| 13:38.52 | Amarande | I was about to go to an alts fun run with my lock (GS ~4400 or so, EG average ilvl around 216) |
| 13:38.59 | unfo- | Lopeppeppy, geared in this context = t9 |
| 13:39.07 | Amarande | but the raid failed to start Friday night |
| 13:39.13 | Amarande | because of Brewfest |
| 13:39.14 | unfo- | zenzio, boomkin, balance druid |
| 13:39.34 | unfo- | zenzio, and yeah i got your joke ;) |
| 13:41.10 | Amarande | half the raid was on accounts that ran too much Coren and got bugged up |
| 13:41.23 | unfo- | :D |
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| 14:05.55 | zenzio | "Replays are an indispensable tool for real-time strategy gamers. Players can watch and analyze a game post-match to improve their gameplay. With a loss, they can go back, pinpoint their mistakes, and scrutinize what went wrong. With a win, they can look for ways to improve." |
| 14:06.05 | zenzio | now I assume they mean for multiplayer gamers |
| 14:06.23 | zenzio | cause I'm strictly singleplayer, and I've never even wished for replays |
| 14:06.45 | zenzio | oh well - going home |
| 14:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | if they want replays, they can install Fraps. |
| 14:06.51 | zenzio | :) |
| 14:10.07 | |Jelly| | I don't need replays in multiplayer because the commentary generally goes like this: "And here he comes with 1500 XXX-bots-of-doom to destro---- yup, there goes everything. gg" |
| 14:10.31 | |Jelly| | BTW, IRC hides behind everything so delayed responses are delayed but I still luff peppy |
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| 14:11.25 | Amarande | everyone likes Peppy :) |
| 14:11.40 | |Jelly| | not like I do ;) |
| 14:12.00 | |Jelly| | brown chicken; brown cow! .. and now, I must kill myself for saying that. |
| 14:13.29 | Amarande | btw |
| 14:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, you're weird. Luff you too. |
| 14:13.40 | Amarande | is the proto from Glory of the Hero a 280 or a 310? |
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| 14:14.32 | Amarande | i'm only seven or so cheeves off now so i am quite likely to get it |
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| 14:15.05 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowhead.com/item=44160#comments - 280 |
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| 14:15.27 | Amarande | Aww |
| 14:15.48 | Amarande | Now I'm not sure if it's worth finishing but for grins then |
| 14:16.23 | Amarande | I find that my favorite 280s are the Netherwing Drakes |
| 14:16.47 | Amarande | and I'm exalted with tha |
| 14:17.12 | Amarande | I hope cata brings more mounts actually worth getting |
| 14:17.35 | Amarande | not like some weaksauce stuff from bosses |
| 14:18.09 | Fisker | Amarande |
| 14:18.12 | Fisker | should i play a game? |
| 14:18.27 | |Jelly| | definitely |
| 14:18.31 | nicoli_s | i have returned! |
| 14:18.39 | Fisker | :( nicoli_s |
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| 14:39.57 | mikma | wat... |
| 14:40.04 | mikma | Beta Build 13066 - Portals removed from Shattrath and Dalaran |
| 14:40.21 | Zyn | yes, enjoy |
| 14:41.42 | Zyn | obviously wants to push us back to the good ol' cities, especially Orgrimmar and Stormwind |
| 14:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | So we can see the changes to the old world |
| 14:42.44 | mikma | that's why the added the guild-spells |
| 14:42.50 | mikma | "teleport to stormwind" |
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| 14:46.26 | Fisker | sauce mikma |
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| 14:49.40 | nevcairiel | awww, and i'm sitting in northrend somewhere |
| 14:54.19 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://cheezdailysquee.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/d193b64a-f525-4805-9313-fbb49a2a132f.jpg?ref=nf |
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| 14:57.48 | nicoli_s | too cute |
| 14:58.34 | zenzelezz | "Suppose you drag an object out of a program marked as I was tested with Windows 7 and drag it over a window that belongs to a program marked as I was tested only with Windows XP. How do you communicate this information back to the data source so it knows "Be very careful. You're from the future. Don't tell that process about any data that didn't exist in Windows XP. You might disrupt the time stream."" |
| 14:58.45 | zenzelezz | I like the way Raymond Chen writes |
| 14:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Love the foxes!! |
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| 15:10.47 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 15:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
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| 15:33.12 | zenzelezz | clever cat is clever: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/27/funny-pictures-gif-cat-balloon-climb/ |
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| 15:35.00 | cog|work | You might be a redneck if your wife thinks she's a model because she posed next to your truck in Auto Trader. |
| 15:35.57 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 15:37.53 | Fisker | i'm angry cog|work |
| 15:38.11 | cog|work | pooping helps |
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| 15:42.26 | Fisker | no cog|work |
| 15:42.28 | Fisker | i will kill you |
| 15:43.50 | zenzelezz | it may be somewhat generic, but this weapon from Darksiders reminds me a lot of certain WoW weapons: http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/50620/ss_3142664b6a09c4b015625d4c5e6a07da92d11ec2.600x338.jpg?t=1285278183 |
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| 15:44.45 | Arrowmaster | my feet are cold |
| 15:45.09 | Arrowmaster | i dug out my /dev/blanket http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/574a/ |
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| 15:47.49 | Fisker | LOL |
| 15:47.50 | Fisker | WAT |
| 15:47.51 | Fisker | LOL |
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| 15:48.01 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/27/google-ordered-to-pay-libel-damages-to-perturbed-gentleman-plan/ |
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| 15:52.54 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 15:53.56 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 15:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, I want that blanket! |
| 15:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | In pink. Pretty pretty pink girly coder blanket. |
| 15:55.23 | cog|work | huggles Lunessa |
| 15:55.33 | Arrowmaster | i have the pillows somewhere too |
| 15:55.58 | Lopeppeppy | In pink? |
| 15:56.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 15:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want then! |
| 15:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | Must have pinks. |
| 15:58.40 | Lunessa | Wait, what? |
| 15:59.20 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/574a/ |
| 16:04.33 | Fisker | Lunessa |
| 16:04.35 | Fisker | it's all your fault |
| 16:05.54 | Lunessa | Fisker: Actually, not everything is my fault. For example, I'm blameless for your existence. |
| 16:06.06 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/27/google-ordered-to-pay-libel-damages-to-perturbed-gentleman-plan/ <-this is your fault |
| 16:07.23 | Lunessa | Fisker: Nah, I'm not Roman Polanski |
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| 16:08.22 | Fisker | your fault |
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| 16:14.11 | Fisker | hey cog|away |
| 16:14.12 | cog|away | goes to buy 500lbs of sugar |
| 16:14.13 | Fisker | bye cog|away |
| 16:14.17 | Fisker | no u cog|away |
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| 16:21.35 | nicoli_s | ckknight:whar are you? |
| 16:26.11 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 16:26.16 | Fisker | you can't just ckknight him |
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| 16:45.58 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 16:46.03 | Sixen | Fisker |
| 16:47.03 | Fisker | hey |
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| 16:55.02 | kd3|netbook | yawn, last minute powerpoint BSing |
| 16:55.05 | kd3|netbook | gotta love college |
| 16:55.30 | zenzelezz | personally I think PowerPoint blacksmithing would be pretty interesting |
| 16:56.05 | nicoli_s | kd3|netbook:i disagree, i hated college for that reason |
| 16:56.25 | kd3|netbook | has images of whacking laptops around on anvils to get something in to shape |
| 16:57.16 | kd3|netbook | I still don't get why I have to do a short presentation on "Totalitarianism in the 20th Century" for /world lit/ |
| 16:57.17 | TC-Work | kd3|netbook: been there, done that |
| 16:57.22 | kd3|netbook | world history, maybe... but lit? |
| 16:58.01 | TC-Work | i did a powerpoint presentation on wow addons for profit |
| 16:58.47 | zenzelezz | addons for profit, or the presentation was for profit? |
| 16:59.22 | TC-Work | addons |
| 16:59.41 | zenzelezz | that sounds a bit interesting |
| 16:59.42 | TC-Work | though interestingly, the way i presented it, it would not be against the rules even now |
| 17:02.09 | Shirik | !!! |
| 17:02.26 | Shirik | LONDON -- A wealthy British businessman who owns the company that makes the two-wheeled Segway has been found dead in a river in northern England after apparently falling off a cliff on one of the vehicles, police said Monday. |
| 17:02.44 | haste | it was a scooter! |
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| 17:03.44 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:03.47 | Fisker | french people are insane |
| 17:03.57 | Cide | yes |
| 17:03.59 | Cide | just ask Adys |
| 17:04.17 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/27/google-ordered-to-pay-libel-damages-to-perturbed-gentleman-plan/ <-this is insane |
| 17:04.29 | Adys | what |
| 17:04.31 | Adys | I'm not french |
| 17:05.01 | zenzelezz | I feel I'm missing a bit of the conversation |
| 17:05.08 | Cide | who said you were? |
| 17:05.42 | Cide | @ zenzelezz |
| 17:06.07 | Shirik | yes you are Adys |
| 17:06.17 | zenzelezz | Cide: ever since I started ignoring Fisker, conversations sometimes seem to lack bits of the puzzle |
| 17:06.33 | Adys | no |
| 17:06.34 | Adys | I'm not |
| 17:06.49 | Shirik | yes you are |
| 17:06.53 | Shirik | you're a frenchie at heart |
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| 17:08.25 | nicoli_s | hes telling the truth adys |
| 17:08.36 | Adys | I'M NOT FRENCH WTF WHAT :( |
| 17:08.37 | Adys | I'm russian |
| 17:08.46 | Adys | which means, I can kill you all with a flip of my cig |
| 17:08.48 | Cide | frenchpie |
| 17:08.48 | nicoli_s | well that explains it |
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| 17:10.09 | Fisker | sucks to be you zenzelezz |
| 17:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: trust me, you're not missing anything. |
| 17:12.00 | zenzelezz | Adys can't be Russian, he never speaks of vodka or Kalashnikovs |
| 17:12.29 | Adys | you stereotyping son of a bitch |
| 17:12.35 | Adys | let me ring my buddies in the mafia to take care of you |
| 17:12.59 | zenzelezz | we have to give the Americans a break now and then |
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| 17:14.01 | mikma | http://www.wimp.com/packingcards/ |
| 17:14.15 | Xuerian | Mikk, Stanzilla: Ping/any problems? |
| 17:15.42 | PProvost | cog|work: You will love this... http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16182492 |
| 17:16.31 | cog|work | >< |
| 17:18.40 | kd3|netbook | sigh |
| 17:21.23 | Arrowmaster | Adys: its not a stereotype its a fact, i have a friend thats russian |
| 17:22.52 | zenzelezz | well you can't blame someone for not wanting to admit they're French |
| 17:23.27 | zenzelezz | will be disappointed if no-one digs up some good Norwegian stereotypes soon |
| 17:26.46 | TC-Work | ~comfort zenzelezz |
| 17:26.46 | purl | There, there, zenzelezz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 17:51.23 | Shirik | cbreak just confused the hell out of me |
| 17:51.26 | Shirik | I thought #git was #wowuidev |
| 17:51.57 | Shirik | also, my head hurts: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/20848c5292317986040c6039f2803884.png |
| 17:52.10 | cbreak | I am in many places :) |
| 17:52.39 | cbreak | oh the joys of non-linear history |
| 17:54.06 | zenzelezz | yeah, logarithmic or exponential history is much more exciting |
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| 17:54.36 | SqueeG | at least there's a pretty graph showing all the activity :p |
| 17:55.06 | nicoli_s | now i know all yer coworkers names, time to do some stalking |
| 17:57.09 | Shirik | lol nicoli_s |
| 17:57.12 | Shirik | this is school stuff |
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| 17:58.07 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info18123-Icetip.html |
| 17:58.09 | cbreak | Shirik: behold: http://github.com/mirrors/linux-2.6/network |
| 17:58.16 | mikma | "Icetip is simple and powerful tooltip." |
| 17:58.23 | mikma | yeah, it's Ace3 |
| 17:59.38 | zenzelezz | http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/this-lamb-sells-condos |
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| 18:00.35 | Shirik | cbreak, since you seem to know git I have a question for you |
| 18:00.46 | Shirik | is it just a configuration problem or why can't git do trivial merges? |
| 18:00.55 | cbreak | like? |
| 18:01.02 | cbreak | I rarely do merging, usually rebase |
| 18:01.11 | Shirik | like 100 line file |
| 18:01.16 | Shirik | local changes line 2 |
| 18:01.19 | Shirik | remote changes 50 |
| 18:01.30 | Shirik | that should be a trivial merge |
| 18:01.35 | cbreak | a simple git pull should make a merge, and you get to resolve the conflict if there's one |
| 18:01.44 | Arrowmaster | its never trivial if they change the same lines |
| 18:01.45 | cbreak | (if the history has diverging commits) |
| 18:01.51 | Shirik | instead it says conflict and then I do `git mergetool` and then my diff tool is like "wtf is this" and does it without question |
| 18:02.00 | Shirik | but I shouldn't have to run mergetool |
| 18:02.24 | cbreak | I resolve my conflicts in a text editor |
| 18:02.28 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: But if they don't, it should be able to merge on its own, no? |
| 18:02.39 | cbreak | so your problem is that git sees more conflicts than your mergetool? |
| 18:02.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:02.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah if they dont touch the same lines |
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| 18:03.01 | nicoli_s | Shirik:you never confirmed me on xbox live, me sad :( |
| 18:03.02 | Shirik | and I mean it's not something like "git and my merge tool have different definitions of conflict" |
| 18:03.11 | Shirik | it's like "why the hell does git think this is a conflict" |
| 18:03.14 | Shirik | nicoli_s: THAT'S who that is |
| 18:03.16 | Shirik | I've been wondering |
| 18:03.22 | Shirik | I'll confirm you when I get on tonight |
| 18:03.24 | elb0w | why merge |
| 18:03.25 | elb0w | remove it |
| 18:03.27 | elb0w | and add yours |
| 18:03.28 | elb0w | :) |
| 18:03.28 | cbreak | don't know the answer |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:03.33 | Shirik | bad elb0w |
| 18:03.37 | Shirik | That's ok |
| 18:03.37 | elb0w | haha |
| 18:03.38 | Shirik | someone on my team |
| 18:03.40 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you can do it from xbox.com |
| 18:03.51 | Shirik | someone on my team got a conflict in our solution file |
| 18:03.58 | elb0w | I have had that issue before, since its just me updating the code I remove the file and push the new copy |
| 18:04.02 | Shirik | (the "main project file" that stores references to all the projects) |
| 18:04.06 | cbreak | Shirik: but git's merge can use different strategies |
| 18:04.08 | kd3|netbook | winces |
| 18:04.08 | Shirik | think of it as the main makefile for everything |
| 18:04.11 | Shirik | so.... his solution |
| 18:04.22 | Shirik | well let me quote you what the buildserver said when he committed his resolution to the merge |
| 18:04.24 | zenzelezz | Shirik: so you're looking for a solution to your solution problem? |
| 18:04.27 | cbreak | never tried anything but default though |
| 18:05.12 | nevcairiel | Fun fact: You cannot have the word "function" anywhere in restricted environment code, not even in a comment or a string literal <.< |
| 18:05.31 | Cide | to simplify parsing and prevent security holes I'm sure |
| 18:05.40 | cbreak | fun |
| 18:05.46 | cbreak | define "cannot" |
| 18:05.58 | nevcairiel | It yells at you |
| 18:06.12 | Shirik | eh, well I can't find it |
| 18:06.15 | nevcairiel | Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:124: The function keyword is not permitted: |
| 18:06.22 | Shirik | but sufice to say his resoltuion to the conflict was `git rm Ambassador.sln` |
| 18:06.28 | Shirik | that was a nightmare to resolve |
| 18:06.47 | Shirik | because not only did he remove the file, he also merged the trees |
| 18:06.57 | Shirik | so git was convinced the merge was complete |
| 18:07.00 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: you also can not have { or } |
| 18:08.08 | nevcairiel | i very rarely use those outside of table constructors =p |
| 18:08.11 | cbreak | you can encode those in strings, I am sure |
| 18:08.19 | cbreak | with the |
| 18:08.20 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 18:08.23 | cbreak | \octal syntax |
| 18:08.24 | nevcairiel | ascii coding |
| 18:08.31 | cbreak | nah, decimal |
| 18:08.33 | cbreak | right ;) |
| 18:09.11 | Shirik | lua> assert(loadstring("return " .. ("{"):rep(1000) .. ("}"):rep(1000)))() |
| 18:09.12 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: [string "return {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{..."]:1: chunk has too many syntax levels |
| 18:09.13 | cbreak | Shirik: just resetting his commit was not an option? |
| 18:09.26 | Shirik | cbreak: He had already pushed |
| 18:09.33 | Shirik | before I noticed the problem |
| 18:09.33 | Arrowmaster | revert it then |
| 18:09.36 | cbreak | :/ |
| 18:09.53 | Shirik | I can revert it, sure, but it doesn't revert the merge part of it |
| 18:09.53 | cbreak | you can reset pushed commits too, if you're prepared for repairing history on all who already pulled it |
| 18:10.10 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 18:10.18 | Shirik | it will undo the changes involved, sure |
| 18:10.20 | cbreak | (I do that often when I push carelessly, because I know that no one else pulled...) |
| 18:10.25 | Shirik | but the history is still convinced that the merge occurred |
| 18:10.28 | Arrowmaster | although reverting merges has its own special things to remember |
| 18:10.29 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: merges are irevertible |
| 18:10.41 | Shirik | because revert is just effectively committing the inverse of the diff |
| 18:11.00 | cbreak | exactly. it doesn't remove the merged branches from the history |
| 18:11.01 | zenzelezz | inverts the polarity of Shirik's merge |
| 18:11.04 | cbreak | (they are still reachable) |
| 18:11.08 | TC-Work | inverts Shirik's diff |
| 18:11.13 | Shirik | the only real solution would be a rebase |
| 18:11.18 | TC-Work | damin zenzelezz |
| 18:11.20 | Shirik | but that would have destroyed others' history |
| 18:11.21 | TC-Work | damit* |
| 18:11.28 | Shirik | because he had pushed |
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| 18:12.33 | cbreak | a reset is an other way |
| 18:12.44 | cbreak | but it would require that you fix history on ALL repositories affected |
| 18:12.46 | cbreak | so it's a pain |
| 18:13.05 | Shirik | The way I fixed it was by forcing a conflict in the right areas |
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| 18:13.13 | Shirik | I merged two other repositories, and then merged in his merge |
| 18:13.19 | Shirik | and the ngit was like "ok wtf is this you figure it out" |
| 18:13.22 | Shirik | and then I did |
| 18:17.17 | nevcairiel | you removed his changes in a conflict resolution merge? |
| 18:17.28 | nevcairiel | now thats like one of the worst solutions |
| 18:17.50 | Shirik | what else was I going to do? |
| 18:18.13 | Shirik | it was the only way to preserve history and the right code |
| 18:19.37 | cbreak | he can push his change again, properly |
| 18:19.51 | SqueeG | why not just pull the file, make the correct changes and recommit? |
| 18:19.54 | cbreak | (I think what you did comes close to a simple reset though) |
| 18:20.06 | cbreak | SqueeG: the history is the issue |
| 18:20.20 | cbreak | sometimes, it's not only the result that counts but also how you reached it |
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| 18:20.53 | SqueeG | oh, technically his branch still existed but the historu didn't think so? |
| 18:21.58 | amro | Shirik: why are you always breaking repositories? |
| 18:22.09 | Shirik | it's not me |
| 18:22.11 | Shirik | it's the morons I work with |
| 18:22.30 | nevcairiel | give everyone their own repository and you play maintainer and pull changesets |
| 18:22.54 | nevcairiel | i've never had much fun with everyone pushing to one central repository |
| 18:22.58 | nevcairiel | thats the svn way of thinking! |
| 18:23.02 | Shirik | well |
| 18:23.05 | Shirik | it's sorta like that |
| 18:23.15 | Shirik | there's like a repository for every 3 people |
| 18:23.32 | Shirik | and then the "maintained" repository |
| 18:23.32 | kd3|netbook | yay fail ads: http://ds.serving-sys.com/BurstingRes///Site-8130/Type-0/ee888d78-8bfc-4623-b6ad-1130087b8760.jpg |
| 18:23.35 | Shirik | which is mine |
| 18:24.08 | nevcairiel | so if the other guys manage to break history in theirs, you fix your history to be good, and tehy can go figure out how the hell to sync again |
| 18:24.28 | nevcairiel | (which is really trivial if you know some git basics) |
| 18:25.37 | Lunessa | kd3: It's pretty fail since all it does is "blip" on my screen and then go poof. |
| 18:25.55 | nevcairiel | its a jpg, how can it go blip |
| 18:25.58 | cbreak | I reserved the right to rewrite history on the repositories I contribute to |
| 18:26.08 | cbreak | so when something bad happens, I'll just do that ;) |
| 18:26.13 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n4-oVOKoLY <-motherfucking pizza |
| 18:26.21 | cbreak | and the others can git pull --rebase and sort out the destructible debries |
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| 18:26.59 | nevcairiel | Yeah, i occasionally rebuild history as well, i'm too OCD about that kind of things to just let it live in there <.< |
| 18:28.12 | kd3|netbook | fail ad rehosted on gammatester: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/08b618cea532de3d4f0b075860088dea.jpg |
| 18:28.17 | kd3|netbook | >.> |
| 18:28.54 | DWSR | kd3: Win |
| 18:28.56 | DWSR | Actually. |
| 18:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | Xxx, how sexy |
| 18:29.00 | DWSR | $xxx and down. |
| 18:29.04 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:29.20 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:29.27 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:29.31 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:30.13 | SqueeG | pizza |
| 18:30.33 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:30.50 | DWSR | badger |
| 18:31.27 | Fisker | no this one doesn't change |
| 18:31.27 | Fisker | it's just pizza |
| 18:31.29 | Shirik | kd3|netbook: It's kinda like those really fancy restaurants where they don't show you the price |
| 18:31.32 | Shirik | because you'd rather not know |
| 18:31.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:31.37 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:31.42 | Shirik | no |
| 18:31.45 | Fisker | or should i say pizzashirik? |
| 18:31.48 | Fisker | PIZZA |
| 18:32.03 | Shirik | !quote REMOVE #wowuidev Fisker |
| 18:32.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@85.24.19.64.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 18:32.03 | batbot | Shirik, remove has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 18:32.13 | nevcairiel | Shirik: all those exceptions you put into EDI .. you should write an exception to the exceptions for fisker |
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| 18:32.25 | Shirik | nah Fisker would abuse it |
| 18:32.38 | Fisker | pizza |
| 18:32.38 | Shirik | isn't that right Fisker |
| 18:32.43 | SqueeG | pizza and basketball! |
| 18:32.47 | Shirik | I actually had to add exceptions for Fisker |
| 18:32.49 | Fisker | abuse what Shirik ? |
| 18:33.03 | nevcairiel | Just get it to ban him, and not silence the whole channel |
| 18:33.05 | Shirik | (14:32:09) (nevcairiel) Shirik: all those exceptions you put into EDI .. you should write an exception to the exceptions for fisker |
| 18:33.07 | nevcairiel | that way we all have fun |
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| 18:33.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: It does :P |
| 18:33.17 | Shirik | he still hits it |
| 18:34.01 | Fisker | Shirik can't spam bot |
| 18:34.09 | Fisker | it would be so easy Shirik |
| 18:34.24 | Fisker | pizza btw |
| 18:34.31 | Shirik | oh god |
| 18:34.34 | Shirik | my buildserver just freaked out |
| 18:34.48 | Shirik | "Modifications since last build (831)" |
| 18:35.12 | Shirik | yay for git history confusing the hell out of it |
| 18:35.29 | nevcairiel | your CI thing seems rather oblivious to the whole git concept |
| 18:35.34 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 18:35.44 | Shirik | but I didn't make it |
| 18:36.19 | Shirik | in all fairness, I have no idea how I would approach making a CI tool for git |
| 18:36.34 | Shirik | it's very... different |
| 18:36.46 | Shirik | (that goes for all distributed systems, that is) |
| 18:37.16 | nevcairiel | You kinda have to ignore all that |
| 18:37.23 | nevcairiel | just pick one branch, and build after push |
| 18:37.30 | zenzelezz | I prefer continuous disintegration systems |
| 18:37.42 | Shirik | randomly deletes files and branches? |
| 18:37.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:37.54 | nevcairiel | at least git will protect you from that |
| 18:38.25 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:38.35 | Fisker | you can't stop pizzas |
| 18:38.41 | Shirik | STOP |
| 18:38.42 | Shirik | pizzatime |
| 18:38.46 | Shirik | hey |
| 18:38.52 | Shirik | whatever happened to little caesars |
| 18:38.55 | Shirik | is that still around? |
| 18:38.59 | Shirik | I miss the little "pizza pizza" dude |
| 18:39.12 | SqueeG | WHY does this commercial exist? |
| 18:40.04 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:40.16 | Fisker | stop Shirik |
| 18:40.22 | SqueeG | Google Search with My Location : Pizza |
| 18:40.42 | Shirik | yeah um |
| 18:40.52 | Shirik | google maps search is probably the worst tool Google has made |
| 18:40.53 | Arrowmaster | click on the fire around 1:47 in that video |
| 18:40.59 | Shirik | it is really good at sending me to places that don't exist |
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| 18:41.59 | SqueeG | ha |
| 18:42.05 | SqueeG | the ice cream one is clever |
| 18:42.51 | Shirik | there you go nicoli_s |
| 18:43.10 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRiIQZLUOjc <-- Cogwheel the Fail is at it again... |
| 18:43.28 | SqueeG | those 'actors' have to be people that work at google |
| 18:44.09 | SqueeG | oh man i want SC 2 T_T |
| 18:44.43 | Fisker | pizza Shirik |
| 18:45.32 | Fisker | so how is acting like a loser different from acting like a jerk cog|work ? |
| 18:45.54 | cog|work | Fisker: the target of fun-making |
| 18:46.01 | nicoli_s | yay i have xbox live friends weee |
| 18:46.16 | cog|work | know a lot of 13yos? |
| 18:46.19 | cog|work | <.< |
| 18:46.21 | cog|work | ducks |
| 18:47.15 | Fisker | i wish cog|work |
| 18:47.16 | nicoli_s | no duck for you! |
| 18:47.29 | Fisker | 13yos are usually just fbi agents ;( |
| 18:49.02 | cog|work | or xbox players |
| 18:49.06 | cog|work | zing! |
| 18:50.06 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:51.00 | Shirik | o: |
| 18:51.36 | cog|work | :o: |
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| 18:55.27 | Fisker | :O |
| 18:55.49 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 18:57.26 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 19:01.15 | TC-Work | or sex toys |
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| 19:02.53 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Let us not discuss your inflatable 'freinds.' |
| 19:03.19 | haste | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLAqK6oqb8c :D ? |
| 19:03.39 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i dont have 13 year old inflatable friends, they dont last that long |
| 19:03.54 | Lunessa | You're so hard on your toys. |
| 19:04.02 | TC-Work | i know |
| 19:04.07 | mikma | haste: my eaaaars |
| 19:04.21 | haste | this is the part where I say it's awesome |
| 19:04.24 | Lunessa | makes a note to wear a cup to all BC events to protect from TC-Work's justified wrath. |
| 19:05.41 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i dont pee that much |
| 19:05.57 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 19:06.05 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 53m 15s ago, saying: 'i've purposefully forced myself to not look at the sc2 editor'. |
| 19:06.29 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSqjs5Id6k vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC8Cb9fsMwY |
| 19:06.46 | Lunessa | I meant the ol' roshambo |
| 19:07.28 | kd3|netbook | off to world lit to BS my way through a presentation. whee |
| 19:08.09 | mikma | haste: listen them both, in that order ^^ |
| 19:09.55 | haste | mikma: easily pendulum, the linkin park's turntablist fails horribly |
| 19:10.47 | haste | but I dislike the dubstep influence in pendulums version =/ |
| 19:11.03 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:11.05 | Fisker | double rainbows |
| 19:11.06 | SqueeG | that's like the only good song off LP's new album |
| 19:11.25 | SqueeG | what happened to the ANGST? |
| 19:11.40 | drapedup | what happened to MR OIZO |
| 19:11.40 | haste | SqueeG: that's quite sad if it's true |
| 19:11.46 | drapedup | oh yeah he still rules |
| 19:12.10 | haste | ofc he does :P |
| 19:12.11 | SqueeG | there are 2... MAYBE 3 that are 'okay' |
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| 19:12.59 | SqueeG | who the fuck calls a house and just yells a person's name at you when you pick up |
| 19:13.00 | SqueeG | ? |
| 19:13.04 | drapedup | always start monday out with monday massacre |
| 19:14.10 | TC-Work | Lunessa: no wrath, it's all in good fun. i was even missing you the other day because i made a dirty joke that went over peoples heads. except for cide, who was just surly as usual |
| 19:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, do not sit next to TC at dinner at Blizcon! :) |
| 19:14.36 | SqueeG | what's the euro - poppy - techno they mix into the catalyst? |
| 19:14.39 | Lunessa | Cide is me, only a better programmer and 20+ years younger. |
| 19:15.04 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: i dunno, Lunessa seems something of a kindred spirit in jokes |
| 19:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | He may still want not to vomit on his plate... I seem to remember that you even managed to gross me out! :) |
| 19:15.38 | Lunessa | Actually TC-Work and I get along pretty well. I was just joking about the roshambo thing. |
| 19:15.46 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: he's just fooling you into a sense of security; once you sit next to him he'll unload all the puns he's ever learned on you |
| 19:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo, not the puns!!!!!! |
| 19:16.06 | SqueeG | PUN-FU! |
| 19:16.39 | Lopeppeppy | Pun fu fighting? |
| 19:16.43 | Lunessa | http://gizmodo.com/5648230/human-trial-suspended-animation-treatment-set-to-begin-at-mass-general |
| 19:16.49 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 19:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Those puns were fast as lightning! And just a little bit frightning! |
| 19:17.00 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: =D |
| 19:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | You have to be nice to me. I'm broken! |
| 19:18.24 | foxlit | can has movie? |
| 19:18.26 | Lunessa | I'll break you. *eyebrow waggle* |
| 19:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | yes please |
| 19:18.40 | foxlit | oh noes, it's the LK intro again |
| 19:18.52 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: when you say that in a /me, it looks like you're talking to yourself |
| 19:19.19 | Lunessa | Oh man... I cna't believe I did that. This is why I shouldn't flirt and multi-task. |
| 19:20.44 | SqueeG | ahahaha |
| 19:21.08 | SqueeG | holy shit |
| 19:21.23 | SqueeG | there's someone trying to sell full stacks of wool for 688g |
| 19:21.23 | Sixen | Lune is crazy! |
| 19:21.25 | foxlit | and beta realms have a queue. Ner. |
| 19:21.26 | foxlit | f. |
| 19:21.35 | SqueeG | bderp |
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| 19:21.41 | SqueeG | i mean 800 and 640 |
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| 19:34.41 | mikma | haste: lol, did you notice that he fails so badly he loses his nerves and beats the turntables |
| 19:34.49 | haste | lol wut |
| 19:34.57 | haste | too busy pounding tapage atm! |
| 19:37.15 | Xuerian | foxlit: Yeah, they had a focus test going today |
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| 19:37.31 | Xuerian | tol barad iirc |
| 19:38.04 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSqjs5Id6k#t=3m02s :DDDDDDD |
| 19:38.44 | haste | D: |
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| 19:40.14 | foxlit | Hm, a new eclipse mechanic |
| 19:40.20 | foxlit | This is starting to look mildly interesting |
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| 19:44.37 | nevcairiel | a new mechanic? |
| 19:44.38 | nevcairiel | whats new now? |
| 19:45.05 | Mikk | let me guess let me guess |
| 19:45.13 | Mikk | now it RANDOMLY chooses the proc! |
| 19:45.18 | Mikk | after a RANDOM time! |
| 19:45.44 | Mikk | (but still always guaranteed to happen after each trashpack is finished, and time out before the next pull) |
| 19:45.53 | mikma | you dont even have to cast it anymore? |
| 19:46.14 | foxlit | Mikk: that'd be bad. |
| 19:46.22 | foxlit | No, it's mostly deterministic now. |
| 19:46.33 | foxlit | The eclipse bar never decays, which makes it actually useful while levelling |
| 19:46.40 | foxlit | It also locks you to gaining power in a single direction |
| 19:47.07 | foxlit | alternating when you actually get an eclipse. So you now get a real reason to swap spells while levelling as well |
| 19:47.28 | mikma | whats eclipse and what does it do |
| 19:47.29 | nevcairiel | no decay? you sure thats intended? |
| 19:47.52 | foxlit | nevcairiel: It feels better this way |
| 19:48.07 | nevcairiel | i'm sure, but it sounds alos kinda too easy |
| 19:48.26 | nevcairiel | i just respecked moonkin |
| 19:48.33 | nevcairiel | but i'm in northrend |
| 19:48.37 | nevcairiel | no challenging mobs around here |
| 19:48.40 | foxlit | Decay was a fundamental mistake to begin with; the effect occurs often enough to neglect the ramp-up time anyway |
| 19:48.45 | nevcairiel | goes to some high level place |
| 19:48.57 | foxlit | While it was around, mastery gear was basically "meh, useless crap, I never get eclipse procs anyway" |
| 19:48.58 | TC-Work | mikma: an IDE iirc |
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| 19:49.17 | mikma | tc-work: bus of harddrive? |
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| 19:49.48 | TC-Work | mikma: come talk to me when you have sopped taking drugs |
| 19:50.05 | nevcairiel | stupid game forgot my action bar assignemtsn again <.< |
| 19:50.09 | Xuerian | Mikk: You see the 1.0 up on wowi/curse? You said you wanted a link :p |
| 19:50.40 | mikma | vithos: i can sop any time i want |
| 19:50.48 | foxlit | nevcairiel: the single direction lock is more debatable |
| 19:51.08 | foxlit | But hey, it gets you to mix things up a bit, which seems like a good thing |
| 19:51.39 | vithos | mikma: No. |
| 19:52.19 | vithos | (don't play with your food?) |
| 19:52.25 | nevcairiel | it was quite pointless while leveling before |
| 19:52.30 | nevcairiel | i always got it when the mob just died |
| 19:52.53 | nevcairiel | the eclipse actually stays active until you used up the power |
| 19:52.56 | nevcairiel | it appears |
| 19:53.04 | nevcairiel | thats neat |
| 19:53.53 | p3lim | how do I remove the constant authentication popups on ubuntu? |
| 19:53.55 | nevcairiel | but where the hell did my action bar setup for moonkin go |
| 19:54.09 | nevcairiel | all actions are set to my healing setup, bah |
| 19:54.45 | foxlit | nevcairiel: basically, eclipse is actually useful now :) |
| 19:55.40 | nevcairiel | it wasnt too bad in stationary raid fights =P |
| 19:55.46 | nevcairiel | any moving killed it though |
| 19:55.49 | foxlit | Yes, but sucked everywhere else. |
| 19:56.25 | mikma | tc-work: poop |
| 19:56.26 | nevcairiel | lunar shower seems rather pointless |
| 19:56.38 | nevcairiel | there are not enough moonkin talents, imho |
| 19:57.35 | foxlit | Lunar shower is nice, but that's a raid talent, really |
| 19:57.48 | TC-Work | screenshit! |
| 19:57.48 | zenzelezz | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_changes |
| 19:57.51 | foxlit | Mixes your rotation up a bit, meant to hit like a truck |
| 19:58.44 | nevcairiel | sounds like a pvp talent |
| 19:58.49 | nevcairiel | more dmg while moving |
| 19:59.42 | mikma | pew pew wintergrasp tenacity x10 + starfall |
| 19:59.45 | foxlit | It's basically more damage while your dots are ticking |
| 19:59.55 | foxlit | mikma: starfall, on the other hand, sucks. |
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| 20:00.15 | nevcairiel | arent you supposed to be casting wrath or starfire, and not moonfireing the enemy? :P |
| 20:00.30 | foxlit | nevcairiel: moonfire actually becomes useful with those 83+ healthpools :) |
| 20:00.33 | Lopeppeppy | Pew pew lazers! |
| 20:00.38 | mikma | foxlit: i've noticed that best interrupt for starfall is killing the druid |
| 20:00.52 | foxlit | sneezing at the druid is enough |
| 20:00.54 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: wait...what was that about vomit? |
| 20:01.08 | zenzelezz | I think WoW should allow casting damaging spells on yourself... that made things so much fun in Anarchy Online when you accidentally debuffed yourself (or rooted, or DoTed, or...) |
| 20:01.10 | nevcairiel | with sunfire and lunar shower moonfire seems somewhat fun |
| 20:01.16 | nevcairiel | but i dont see how its more dps to wrath |
| 20:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, what? |
| 20:01.34 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Starsurge hits for far more than wrath? :) |
| 20:01.39 | mikma | zenzelezz: minf control yourself = insanity |
| 20:01.50 | zenzelezz | mikma: heh |
| 20:01.51 | nevcairiel | who was talking about starsurge! |
| 20:01.56 | mikma | s/minf/milf/ |
| 20:02.18 | Lunessa | ... |
| 20:02.28 | foxlit | eh, I read it as Shooting Stars |
| 20:02.42 | nevcairiel | thats a nice talent |
| 20:02.45 | nevcairiel | starsurge is awesome |
| 20:02.47 | foxlit | Lunar shower is something else. Fun, though :) |
| 20:02.54 | foxlit | I miss the knockdown |
| 20:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 20:03.03 | nevcairiel | yeah, that was neat to pull |
| 20:03.12 | mikma | the neew glyph for shaodw word: death is awesome |
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| 20:03.21 | mikma | pew pew pew pew whoooooooops |
| 20:03.21 | nevcairiel | knockdown with starsurge, kill until it reaches you .. but that didnt work with the new health pools anyhow |
| 20:03.33 | nevcairiel | always reached you =P |
| 20:03.46 | foxlit | Nice to have a little extra something while typhoon is on cooldown |
| 20:04.38 | nevcairiel | I've leveld all other expansions as feral, doing it this time as moonkin will be fun |
| 20:05.14 | nevcairiel | well, it was fun already in beta, although alot of stuff changed |
| 20:05.23 | Lunessa | So much QQ about the city portals being removed from Shattrath and Dalaran in the latest beta build. |
| 20:05.56 | drapedup | roll mage |
| 20:06.00 | drapedup | fixed |
| 20:06.53 | foxlit | also, they broke questhelper on some quests |
| 20:07.02 | foxlit | General is like "zomg where do I find [x]?" |
| 20:07.13 | nevcairiel | general is always like that |
| 20:07.19 | nevcairiel | quest blobs or not |
| 20:07.33 | Mikk | WER IS MANKIRKS WIFE PLZ???? |
| 20:07.47 | nevcairiel | man am i glad i never played a horde char |
| 20:07.51 | Mikk | did |
| 20:08.25 | nevcairiel | whats with that wife anyway, why is that quest so much harder then the others in the zone |
| 20:08.25 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: ... never... played.. horde? |
| 20:08.39 | Mikk | she's in the middle of the praire |
| 20:08.41 | Mikk | nothing leading to her |
| 20:08.56 | Mikk | totally stupid |
| 20:08.58 | nevcairiel | Xuerian: up to level 10 or so, so no, not really |
| 20:09.04 | nevcairiel | never liked their style |
| 20:09.16 | Xuerian | I am disappoint |
| 20:09.28 | Lunessa | beta Trade and General are insane every time a new wave of invites goes out. It feels like no one reads the patch notes (admittedly incomplete) and don't even bother to skim the forum. And they ask the same question every 5 minutes. |
| 20:09.42 | Xuerian | Lunessa: mmo-champ ftw |
| 20:09.47 | nevcairiel | how is that different to live trade and general? |
| 20:10.31 | Lunessa | Reading is HARD, ok? Goddamnit, just give me mah epixx and golds so I can be kewl and have a big epeen, k? STFU N00BZ. |
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| 20:10.35 | durcyn | people on live suffer from the delusion that they know what they're talking about, nev |
| 20:11.08 | Lunessa | I mean I literally see the same questions every 5 minutes. |
| 20:12.39 | nevcairiel | i wouldn't know, i havent been in general since launch |
| 20:12.47 | nevcairiel | and that was like 5 years ago! |
| 20:13.06 | nevcairiel | I dont want to deal with silly people while trying to play =) |
| 20:13.20 | durcyn | i turned it back on recently and dropped it in a separate chat frame, as a spectator sport |
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| 20:13.56 | nevcairiel | i guess it can be somewhat fun to watch in beta |
| 20:14.16 | nevcairiel | not really playing on there anyway, just fiddling with stuff and testing |
| 20:15.53 | Lunessa | I've been using them to find people for grouping/questing/instances. But my irritation threshold has been pretty low the last few weeks. |
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| 20:20.16 | Fisker | goodnight Lunessa |
| 20:20.32 | Lunessa | sleeps. |
| 20:21.57 | Fisker | good |
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| 20:49.39 | Kraps | dont people read? http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26850260629/thank-goodness-wrath-is-ending/ |
| 20:50.00 | TC-Work | Kraps: why would they start now? |
| 20:51.30 | Nechckn | nods to TC-Work good point. |
| 20:52.04 | Kraps | <desperate> they gotta start SOMEtime </desperate> |
| 20:52.50 | TC-Work | no, no they dont |
| 20:55.53 | elb0w | wow lost alot |
| 20:56.00 | elb0w | You dont even have to leave city now |
| 20:56.02 | elb0w | its dumb |
| 20:56.13 | elb0w | world pvp is extinct |
| 20:57.03 | TC-Work | there is a difference between not playing something because you dont like it, and bitching about it |
| 20:57.09 | zenzelezz | the only world PvP I ever encountered was one single Southshore raid, and being ganked all the way to 60 by high-level players |
| 20:57.40 | durcyn | yeah, running around tarren mill like a moron was -great-. can you see my eyes rolling from there? |
| 20:57.55 | elb0w | I dunno in the beginning it was alot more fun |
| 20:58.00 | durcyn | world pvp is dead because world pvp was not at all meaningful or rewarding, the end |
| 20:58.08 | elb0w | it was fun |
| 20:58.25 | drapedup | it is extremely satisfying to kill people who are unsuspecting IMO |
| 20:58.25 | elb0w | after aq wow changed |
| 20:58.34 | drapedup | now it takes 5 hours to find someone to kill |
| 20:58.55 | zenzelezz | because people don't like being killed when they're just minding their own business |
| 20:59.04 | elb0w | so go to a pve server |
| 20:59.07 | drapedup | that's what makes it so satisfying |
| 20:59.17 | zenzelezz | elb0w: that's what I and many others did |
| 20:59.23 | elb0w | ok |
| 20:59.34 | elb0w | so then whats your issue? |
| 20:59.41 | elb0w | People on a pvp server killed other people |
| 20:59.45 | elb0w | makes sense to me |
| 21:00.02 | zenzelezz | I have an issue with PvP not doing level ranges |
| 21:00.08 | elb0w | now pvp/pve/rp doesnt matter, everyone sits in a town ques for instances and bgs |
| 21:00.30 | zenzelezz | if they prevented a 40+ from attacking me (unprovoked) when I was 30-, I wouldn't mind world PvP |
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| 21:00.42 | drapedup | in real life the strong prey on the weak |
| 21:00.46 | drapedup | why should it be any different |
| 21:00.52 | zenzelezz | because this isn't the real life |
| 21:01.00 | zenzelezz | if we wanted the real life, we wouldn't be sitting here |
| 21:01.02 | drapedup | you want it moulded around your every whim |
| 21:01.10 | zenzelezz | like everyone else |
| 21:01.11 | elb0w | so zenzelezz would a <40 be able to heal a >40? |
| 21:01.16 | durcyn | small woodland creatures don't have to corpse walk after the wolves eat them |
| 21:01.25 | zenzelezz | elb0w: in my book, that would flag the healer |
| 21:01.36 | elb0w | oh so pve |
| 21:01.39 | elb0w | which u did |
| 21:01.40 | drapedup | what an inane argument |
| 21:01.42 | elb0w | im talking about pvp |
| 21:01.49 | zenzelezz | I'm talking about PvP too |
| 21:01.49 | Nechckn | elb0w such is the curse of a game that has been out forever, though. Happens to all of them, really. |
| 21:02.02 | elb0w | yeah just sad to be playing something this long |
| 21:02.14 | elb0w | and watch it turn into a laziness convention |
| 21:02.36 | elb0w | the only constant in wow is jumping around the top of the org bank is oddly mesmerizing |
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| 21:03.46 | Kraps | btw "We actually never implemented threat decay. We're not sure we'll need it." |
| 21:04.20 | Nechckn | It has been a fun ride, though- otherwise why would anyone still play? |
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| 21:05.00 | Nechckn | Granted fun level has ebbed and flowed, but such is the case when you play in someone else's sandbox. |
| 21:05.16 | elb0w | minecraft ftw |
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| 21:14.58 | Lunessa | I'm not a fan of 'open pvp' - I'm of the opinion that Arena, Battle Grounds, and other such 'opt-in' PVP is good. Opt-out style, or always on PVP is not the sort of game I want to play. |
| 21:15.38 | Kraps | Lunessa: such a carebare |
| 21:15.47 | Kraps | i spelled that wrong |
| 21:15.59 | Lunessa | Nah, I'm not into furries. |
| 21:16.25 | Galvin | If I want to start using svn to keep track of a cataclysm version. Would I create a folder inside branch for cataclysm. Then when cata goes live I just make the branch my working copy for main? |
| 21:17.23 | Nechckn | Branch the trunk, make changes, toy around, then merge that back into trunk when ready for Cata |
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| 21:18.11 | Nechckn | The branch will be a full, working version and you can change your working copies between the two |
| 21:18.19 | Kraps | what do i do if i want to play the beta but not spoil too much? |
| 21:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | play with your eyes closed. |
| 21:18.38 | Cide | Thrae: ping? |
| 21:18.38 | kd3|netbook | log in in... IF? |
| 21:18.49 | Lunessa | Kraps: Skip playing if you don't want spoilers. |
| 21:19.00 | kd3|netbook | or the bc cities. neither of them have been touched. make sure to get out of /2 too |
| 21:19.08 | Galvin | When I merge it'll overwrite code that doesn't work with the new branch code? |
| 21:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | when you merge, svn will try to combine any changes in your branch into your trunk code. |
| 21:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll try to keep as much of both sets of changes as it can, but depending on how much you change in trunk AFTER branching, you might see conflicts that you have to manually resolve. |
| 21:20.12 | Nechckn | the changed code will then become your new baby, as NightHawkTheSane says. If there are any changes that cannot be made, then it will prompt you which version to use going forward. |
| 21:20.28 | cog|work | Kraps: i got tickets to a sneak preview of a movie. how do i use them without spoiling the plot? |
| 21:20.31 | cog|work | hides |
| 21:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 21:20.44 | Nechckn | boo, hiss.. mean ole cog|work |
| 21:20.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well he's right :P |
| 21:20.57 | Galvin | it seemes easier if I start a branch to just keep that update date and not modify the main anymore. |
| 21:21.03 | cog|work | trolls Kraps |
| 21:21.04 | Galvin | *up to date |
| 21:21.20 | Kraps | one of MIBs flashythingies? |
| 21:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Galvin: thats certainly possible. Although from a logistical point of view, the better alternative would be to create a branch, and then not touch that, and work on main. |
| 21:21.41 | Galvin | Im still very new to svn |
| 21:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | the "branch" would then be a snapshot of your working live version. |
| 21:22.03 | Nechckn | indeed |
| 21:22.26 | NightHawkTheSane | reading the svn book i linked, and googling for some svn tutorials might not be a bad idea either. |
| 21:22.33 | Galvin | I read the docs for 90min |
| 21:22.36 | Lunessa | If I had an MIB 'flashythingy' the world would be in a lot of trouble. |
| 21:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | branching & merging in svn isn't terribly difficult, but it can be a little odd to wrap your head around |
| 21:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: maybe, but it wouldn't remember. ;) |
| 21:23.15 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: /exactly/ |
| 21:23.20 | Arrowmaster | its kinda broken though |
| 21:23.31 | Galvin | I just dont really want to maintain my beta copy on live and keep a cata version that i'm updating at the same time i'm more likely to mess up doing that :) |
| 21:23.33 | kd3|netbook | just as long as you don't zap your own memory with it |
| 21:23.47 | kd3|netbook | wasn't that a sketch in one of the MIBs? |
| 21:24.42 | Lunessa | kd3: MIB 2 was a story about getting 'K's' memory back. |
| 21:24.53 | kd3|netbook | in other news... I've been downloading the ptr most of the day... about to hit halfway |
| 21:24.53 | kd3|netbook | yay |
| 21:25.07 | Nechckn | A gui tool helps to make learning SVN a bit easier, imnsho, ala tortoise for Windows or ZygVersions for OSX, Galvin. Then use junctions/symlinks to use whichever version in your AddOns folder. |
| 21:25.14 | Lunessa | seriously dude, we need you a better portable. |
| 21:25.23 | Galvin | Already using tortoise |
| 21:25.35 | kd3|netbook | meh, I've got all the bandwidth I want (2-3MB/s on average) here |
| 21:25.44 | kd3|netbook | it's at home where I'm screwed over with my horrid uplink |
| 21:25.46 | Galvin | I already got a project on curse using svn. |
| 21:25.54 | zenzelezz | kd3|netbook: byte or bit? |
| 21:25.59 | kd3|netbook | bye |
| 21:26.01 | kd3|netbook | byte* |
| 21:26.10 | Nechckn | okay, and you use junctions/symlinks, right? |
| 21:26.46 | Nechckn | If so, you just point your jps for Cata Beta to your branch, for now, and have the jps for Live point to Trunk. |
| 21:26.48 | Galvin | What version of svn does curseforge use? |
| 21:27.25 | Galvin | jps? |
| 21:27.41 | Nechckn | junction points/symlinks |
| 21:28.05 | Galvin | I have no idea how to do that |
| 21:28.06 | nicoli_s | Galvin:dunno |
| 21:28.16 | nicoli_s | Galvin:prob 1.4 |
| 21:29.27 | Nechckn | okay, Galvin - if you look at our Wiki, it is specific to our setup, but there are links to tools for linking - whether junction points or you can even make symlinks directly in MS WinV/7 |
| 21:29.39 | Nechckn | One second |
| 21:31.14 | Nechckn | http://wiki.norganna.org/Developer_Procedures#checking_out_the_code |
| 21:31.27 | Galvin | thanks |
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| 21:32.14 | Nechckn | So, rather than having your working copies be in "AddOns" you just link to wherever you want to source from, whether Trunk or a Branch. It makes life very easy. |
| 21:33.18 | Nechckn | The specific link is - http://wiki.norganna.org/Auctioneer/CrossAccountSharing#tools_for_working_with_symlinks_in_windows |
| 21:33.35 | Nechckn | I could not find it earlier, but that should get you moving in the right direction. |
| 21:35.27 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: no problems btw |
| 21:35.46 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Excellent =) How's the text relocation for you, or you still need it more padded? |
| 21:36.57 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: i increased row height and the value in frame:SetWidth a bit |
| 21:37.07 | Stanzilla | still playing with it tho |
| 21:37.20 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: mmk |
| 21:37.31 | Xuerian | Guess I need to buckle down and work on the plugins |
| 21:40.16 | Galvin | Looked at the Jps stuff, but how will svn know that i'm comitting cata data or live data? |
| 21:41.17 | kd3|netbook | depends on which branch you're working on |
| 21:41.33 | Galvin | What I was going to do is just commit the cata addon stuff to the branch then copy the branch to trunk when cata goes live. |
| 21:42.29 | Nechckn | Because you will have committed the changews to the file in the trunk (live) or to the branch (cata) - What you want is basically what the branch/merge feature does. |
| 21:43.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.branchmerge.html |
| 21:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly. |
| 21:43.28 | Nechckn | See.. look at our SVN over at norganna real quick - http://svn.norganna.org Check out how it is laid out. |
| 21:43.43 | Galvin | I doubt i'll make any modification the the live code and just to the branch the branch takes over main later. |
| 21:44.12 | Nechckn | As NightHawkTheSane says - svnbook is really the place to get your head around it - just trying to show a few examples of one system in place. |
| 21:44.38 | Galvin | yeah looking at it now |
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| 21:45.30 | Nechckn | http://websvn.norganna.org/listing.php?repname=Auctioneer& is better, sorry |
| 21:45.40 | Galvin | its a webbased viewer. |
| 21:46.54 | Nechckn | Right - and that will show you what happens when you branch via tortoise - you get a whole copy of what is in the trunk which you can then modify however you like - then just merge it into trunk when ready. |
| 21:47.09 | Galvin | hes got a cata version in the branch, so I take it that cata version goes to main after its live? |
| 21:47.19 | Nechckn | Righto |
| 21:47.41 | Nechckn | it will be merged in when the time is right |
| 21:47.52 | Galvin | except I dont really want to merge but replace, to keep things simple any bugs found in the live copy I haev will be appluied to the cata copy. |
| 21:48.39 | zenzelezz | "Microsoft has decided it can't compete with the established blogging platforms out there and will instead embrace one of them. Talking at the TechCrunch Disrupt conference, Dharmesh Mehta, Director of Product Management for Windows Live, announced that all existing Windows Live Spaces users will be migrated over to an account at WordPress.com." |
| 21:48.50 | Galvin | so to do a branch I just commit cata addon into the branch? |
| 21:49.15 | Nechckn | Use tortoise, since you have it. |
| 21:49.26 | Galvin | Thats using tortoise |
| 21:49.29 | Nechckn | Right click your trunk and then select "Branch/Tag" |
| 21:50.05 | Galvin | so each time I commit I have to branch it everytime? |
| 21:50.29 | Nechckn | No. You just edit/make changes in the branch, not in the trunk. That is the whole point of it. |
| 21:50.48 | Galvin | commit always go to main though |
| 21:51.25 | Nechckn | Not if you checkout the whole repository and edit the files in the branch. |
| 21:52.07 | Galvin | I see cause commit sends the files back to wherte uou checked them out from. |
| 21:52.21 | Nechckn | Yes, exactly |
| 21:53.38 | NightHawkTheSane | someone really needs to read the book. :P |
| 21:53.58 | Galvin | So basically I first branch main, then do a checkout, tell it to check files out from branch, and to save them into cata/addons/<my project>, then commit, and now any cata changes I make will always go to branch. that right? |
| 21:54.35 | Galvin | Yeah I guess could read it but I assume reading the manula for 90min wasn't enough, the crap is nmopt easy to understand. |
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| 21:54.38 | Nechckn | yepper |
| 21:54.54 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: we already went over this whole reading thing earlier. |
| 21:55.08 | Dagmar | No, it's a truism that all revision control docs will suck. |
| 21:55.29 | Nechckn | Yeah, it is not easy to pick up alone, at least imnsho. |
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| 21:55.34 | NightHawkTheSane | subversions book is exceptionally good |
| 21:56.03 | Nechckn | Although, yeah.. it is good relatively speaking. ;-) |
| 21:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's one of the best pieces of documentation i've seen, honestly. |
| 21:56.18 | Galvin | Plus there was a lot of stuff in the manual that didn't cover my situation. |
| 21:56.45 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i can pretty much tell you that nothing you've talked about isn't covered in the svn book. |
| 21:57.12 | Galvin | Yeah I'll read the book |
| 21:58.15 | Galvin | Well the manual talked about working with other people on a project which I dont plan to do. |
| 21:58.41 | Galvin | there was just sections huge long long sections, think I almost fell asleep during one part :) |
| 21:58.46 | NightHawkTheSane | the basic concepts are still applicable. |
| 21:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | if you fall asleep reading that, you're going to have a lot of trouble. learning to read a manual is kind of important for figuring out.. well. anything. |
| 21:59.38 | kd3|netbook | time to sleep through database, yawn |
| 21:59.54 | Galvin | I read manuals but that one is epic sized :) |
| 22:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | not really. |
| 22:00.13 | Galvin | I always find I learn betteer when i actually try it instead of spending hours reading without trying. |
| 22:00.31 | NightHawkTheSane | both are wrong. |
| 22:00.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you should be reading AND trying it out at the same time. |
| 22:00.40 | Cide | ui design question |
| 22:01.11 | Galvin | I read the manual first then followed the guide to using svn on wowace. |
| 22:01.19 | Cide | if a checkbox has sub-checkboxes, and the base-checkbox is checked if all the subs are checked and unchecked if all subs are unchecked... is it checked or unchecked while only some are checked? |
| 22:01.38 | Galvin | holy crap I just got a headache reading that cide :P |
| 22:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: it should have a "third" state |
| 22:01.44 | Cide | it can't |
| 22:01.45 | Cide | it's html |
| 22:01.54 | foxlit | It's not a checkbox. |
| 22:01.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: then you're fucked ;) |
| 22:02.04 | Cide | eh, it's been done before |
| 22:02.11 | Cide | could look into a javascript solution but meh |
| 22:02.24 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, just pick a state, and go with it. |
| 22:02.32 | foxlit | Don't use a checkbox. |
| 22:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i tend to agree with foxlit, though |
| 22:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | what does that base checkbox MEAN if it's state is wholly determined by the state of the sub-checkboxes? why does it exist? |
| 22:03.19 | Cide | it's for easily checking/unchecking all the subs |
| 22:03.28 | Cide | it's a common idiom I thought |
| 22:03.33 | Cide | only html doesn't have tri-state checkboxes |
| 22:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | You probably want to go with a little bit of JS and some links that say "All | None" or something |
| 22:04.56 | NightHawkTheSane | a checkbox has issues convaying exactly what it's supposed to do in that idiom. |
| 22:05.02 | foxlit | Could have All | None | Custom as a radiobox trio. |
| 22:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | conveying(sp?) |
| 22:05.03 | batbot | NightHawkTheSane, conveying is correct. |
| 22:05.12 | zenzelezz | Cide: if you have the flexibility, check the main checkbox if any sub-checkboxes are checked, but CSS-color it grey if not all subs are checked |
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| 22:05.53 | Kraps | Fisker: http://store.steampowered.com/app/45100/ |
| 22:06.37 | foxlit | Kraps: "... your horse-breeding farm ..." When can I purchase this awesomeness? |
| 22:06.50 | Kraps | steam duh |
| 22:06.52 | Amarande | foxlit, that sounds like something from a Facebook game :P |
| 22:07.12 | foxlit | too much duh, too little reading. |
| 22:07.19 | foxlit | Also, will it do this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/5/26/ ? |
| 22:07.45 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:12.14 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: http://pastey.net/140978 |
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| 22:27.34 | cog|work | ~weather ksts |
| 22:27.48 | cog|work | so much for autumn... |
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| 22:28.10 | Amarande | cog: yeah I thought summer was supposed to be over :S |
| 22:28.13 | Amarande | ~weather kdxr |
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| 22:28.32 | Amarande | seems like it's finally over here though |
| 22:29.10 | cog|work | ours never really started. we had like 3 or 4 really hot days after a couple months of really mild weather, then it went right back to mild weather. until fall started, anyway >< |
| 22:32.07 | Lunessa | cog|work: This means good news for your company's business. |
| 22:32.20 | Cairenn | suggestion guys? never complain about summer lasting too long! |
| 22:32.27 | Cairenn | buncha heathens |
| 22:32.34 | cog|work | hot weather = H8 |
| 22:32.36 | cog|work | imo |
| 22:32.39 | cog|work | i'll trade ya |
| 22:32.52 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn! :) |
| 22:32.54 | Cairenn | cold weather = H8, hot weather = yum! |
| 22:32.55 | Cairenn | hi |
| 22:32.58 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 22:33.04 | Cairenn | I's |
| 22:33.06 | Cairenn | You? |
| 22:33.39 | Amarande | I'm good :) |
| 22:33.45 | Amarande | just woke up about a half hour ago |
| 22:33.50 | Cairenn | Good :) |
| 22:34.07 | Nechckn | tickles Cairenn behind the ears. |
| 22:34.22 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: When did this happen? |
| 22:34.23 | Amarande | Anything fun going on? |
| 22:34.37 | Cairenn | giggles at Nechckn |
| 22:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i'm happy about the warm weather, sure, i just wish we had it in july, not october :p |
| 22:34.51 | Cairenn | Amarande: counting down to BC :) |
| 22:34.55 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: when I right clicked the corpse while holding shift |
| 22:35.11 | Amarande | BC? |
| 22:35.24 | Nechckn | smiles and provides the perfectly-sized chuck of dark, dark chocolate. |
| 22:35.36 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 22:36.00 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Greh. There's some lingering error during compares, I think.. I need to track it down. Tell me if it happens again. |
| 22:36.28 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 22:36.28 | Nechckn | The mightly BlizzCon, Amarande |
| 22:36.49 | Amarande | oh right :| |
| 22:36.54 | Amarande | how'd I forget :) |
| 22:37.07 | Amarande | I'm still most waiting for Cata and Towers of Midnight this fall |
| 22:37.10 | Xuerian | Greh, is there still a current framexml anywhere online? |
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| 22:38.26 | cog|work | ~framexml |
| 22:38.26 | purl | Extract FrameXML using the official Add On Kit: (Mac:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg (Win:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source or http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 22:38.39 | foxlit | I'm partial to http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/ |
| 22:38.46 | foxlit | But, you know, bias. |
| 22:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | should add that to the factoid |
| 22:39.05 | NightHawkTheSane | its not like one more link would hurt: P |
| 22:39.24 | foxlit | I wonder if it'd fit |
| 22:39.41 | NightHawkTheSane | that's what she said? |
| 22:39.49 | foxlit | purl, no, framexml is <reply>Extract FrameXML using the official Add On Kit: (Mac:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg (Win:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml or http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 22:39.49 | purl | foxlit: okay |
| 22:39.55 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 22:39.55 | purl | Extract FrameXML using the official Add On Kit: (Mac:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg (Win:) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml or http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
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| 22:41.47 | Kraps | the gameplay is great http://store.steampowered.com/app/9940/ |
| 22:41.58 | Kraps | i am not joking |
| 22:42.49 | TC-Work | damit Kraps dont link stuff from steam |
| 22:43.00 | Kraps | sorry! |
| 22:43.15 | TC-Work | i end up spending money. |
| 22:43.30 | cog|work | TC-Work: did you get worms? |
| 22:43.49 | TC-Work | cog|work: yes. and i got the game |
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| 22:48.37 | Lunessa | is glad he doesn't have a steam account |
| 22:48.37 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: It was something stupid -.- |
| 22:55.30 | Kraps | the main character being a catwoman helps |
| 22:56.19 | Torhal | Kraps: You put on the goth suit. Admit it. |
| 22:58.13 | Kraps | Torhal: i'm playing the demo |
| 22:59.24 | Torhal | Aah |
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| 23:01.34 | TC-Work | Lunessa: lucky. you still have a couple hundred extra $ |
| 23:01.44 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:02.32 | Lunessa | TC-Work: This is why a grudgingly have an iTunes account and other "micropayement" accounts, and then force myself to use them sparingly. Because I would have no money at all otherwise. |
| 23:02.59 | TC-Work | Lunessa: yea, i know that one |
| 23:03.09 | Torhal | I usually have a strict "It has to be at least 50% off" policy for Steam purchases. |
| 23:03.12 | TC-Work | though i did manage to never purchase anything off of itunes |
| 23:03.33 | TC-Work | Torhal: doesnt help when that have something like that off...twice a week |
| 23:03.37 | Lunessa | I have iTunes for apps for my phone and the occasional album purchase. |
| 23:04.28 | Lunessa | It's why I don't subscribe to X-Box live, or PSN, or anything like that. Because I have poor impulse control on such purchases and when it's so easy... |
| 23:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa, TC-Work: Yeah, i'm kinda terrible out iphone app purchases :\. I think my only saving grace for steam is that I dont care to boot into windows that often, so I'm much less inclined to pay for games I know I'll be too layz to play |
| 23:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | lazy* |
| 23:05.07 | Kraps | TC-Work: "this game is only $10! and this one only $5. and this other one only another $5" etc etc |
| 23:05.16 | Torhal | I suppose I shouldn't tell him that I only run Linux... |
| 23:05.22 | Lunessa | Yeah. I used to be a rich man. I'm not now, and re-learning to be frugal brought a whole host of behavior changes. |
| 23:06.25 | TC-Work | Kraps: yea. though he said 50% off sale |
| 23:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: interestingly, it's /almost/ the reverse for me. Ive had to be very frugal in the past, as I wasn't rich, and didn't have a strong income. In recent years, I've had enough to be more.. liberal.. with my spending. I've had to be careful :) |
| 23:07.02 | Kraps | TC-Work: sales have the same thought process just with different words |
| 23:07.32 | Lunessa | It's easy to spend money. Everyone wants to facilitate that transfer. :) |
| 23:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... |
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| 23:09.33 | TC-Work | i hate having 2 keyboards infront of me |
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| 23:10.42 | cbreak | TC-Work: put one behind you |
| 23:11.04 | Kraps | Lunessa: for me, it was discovering the joys of having a job :/ |
| 23:11.05 | cbreak | at work, I have one of the keyboards out of the way, and control two computers from one keyboard with synergy |
| 23:11.36 | Lunessa | Kraps: :D Freedom1 |
| 23:11.39 | cbreak | (I still need the hardware keyboard to enter passwords, since UAC seems to ignore synergy input for that |
| 23:11.39 | Lunessa | ! |
| 23:13.08 | TC-Work | cbreak: these computers do not stay for long, so it isnt worth it |
| 23:13.39 | TC-Work | i might ask for a hardware kvm |
| 23:15.00 | cbreak | synergy is much more polished |
| 23:15.27 | cbreak | (and since I have three screens, I don't need the V part of a KVM switch :) |
| 23:15.39 | TC-Work | i also have 3 screens |
| 23:15.47 | TC-Work | but i am Le Lazy |
| 23:16.08 | TC-Work | and polished isnt worth having to install and uninstall the software every few days |
| 23:16.35 | cbreak | who said anything about uninstalling? :) |
| 23:17.08 | TC-Work | i did |
| 23:17.19 | Yssaril | cbreak: i use http://www.inputdirector.com/ ha always worked even with UAC prompts for me (windows only though) |
| 23:17.32 | cbreak | useless for me then |
| 23:17.58 | cbreak | my main host is running OS X, windows is on the side as slave for debugging/.../... :) |
| 23:18.12 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 23:18.24 | Lunessa | cbreak: I'm considering doing that here, only using Windows 7 as the host. |
| 23:18.39 | cbreak | I use ssh tunnels for security |
| 23:18.56 | cbreak | synergy by default is a gaping hole waiting to be exploited, unfortunately :( |
| 23:19.12 | cbreak | since OS X is the main server, I can connect from the clients (windows) via putty |
| 23:19.28 | cbreak | if you use a win as server, you might have to install ssh or something similar to get any security |
| 23:19.32 | cbreak | (ssh server) |
| 23:19.41 | cbreak | wonder if there's an ssh server for windows |
| 23:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 23:22.45 | cbreak | either way, a VPN between the hosts is also ok I guess |
| 23:23.01 | cbreak | or using something less chatty/insecure than synergy :) |
| 23:23.56 | Lunessa | cbreak: *nod* |
| 23:24.59 | amro | cog|work: you fail :( |
| 23:25.03 | amro | ERROR: no known formats available for video |
| 23:25.15 | cog|work | works for me imo |
| 23:25.51 | cog|work | at all resolutions |
| 23:26.10 | amro | do you have a direct link for the HD version? the player fails hard when I switch |
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| 23:27.21 | cog|work | amro: maximize a window and then click this http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ZRiIQZLUOjc |
| 23:27.34 | cog|work | oops wrong link |
| 23:27.40 | cog|work | oh no that's right |
| 23:27.54 | cog|work | the watch_popup fills the browser window at whatever the best res would be |
| 23:28.04 | amro | cool, thanks |
| 23:28.35 | cog|work | it's soo much better than clicking the full-screen button. it doesn't go away when you switch windows. |
| 23:28.51 | Cairenn | w |
| 23:28.51 | Cairenn | t |
| 23:28.51 | Cairenn | f |
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| 23:29.38 | cog|work | ? |
| 23:29.51 | Xuerian | ... |
| 23:30.06 | cog|work | sends Cairenn a preemptive hug just in case |
| 23:30.15 | Amarande | what's going on Cairenn? |
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| 23:30.54 | Cairenn | nothing, my client just spammed me was all |
| 23:31.15 | Xuerian | DSFARGREG is the appropriate response to that. |
| 23:31.21 | Xuerian | Or WHARRGLEGARBLE |
| 23:34.00 | Xuerian | cog|away: The drone chat at the start was funny |
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| 23:44.12 | ckknight | Xuerian: whargle! |
| 23:44.26 | Xuerian | ckknight: Excellent choice. Sprinklers are all the rage. |
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| 23:45.04 | ckknight | quite. |
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| 23:51.55 | alestane | http://open.salon.com/blog/safe_bet/2010/09/24/news_flash_cause_of_homosexuality_discovered |
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| 23:53.20 | kd3|netbook | whee! another CD-R's worth of data to download (again) to finish getting the ptr |
| 23:53.26 | kd3|netbook | s/(again)// |
