| 00:00.08 | Cide | how goes the python Shirik? |
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| 00:02.46 | Shirik | meh |
| 00:03.06 | Shirik | I'm able to parse text |
| 00:03.09 | Shirik | but um |
| 00:03.18 | Jamash | k so I want an addon that will run a code snipped on a list of events and log the result |
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| 00:04.37 | Jamash | there are at least a dozen event logging addons, but none that I've seen that do anything but log the event itself |
| 00:08.56 | Cide | but um what?! |
| 00:10.16 | Jamash | he got eaten by the python |
| 00:10.30 | Jamash | a tragic fate for one so young |
| 00:11.05 | haste | but pyhon is only a gateway drug to lua! |
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| 00:11.20 | Cide | or other way around |
| 00:11.23 | Cide | !! |
| 00:11.33 | haste | yes, that's what was said on the lua ML today P: |
| 00:11.52 | Cide | all for the better |
| 00:12.15 | haste | I'm not in the same boat |
| 00:12.55 | Cide | why not? |
| 00:14.57 | haste | I just prefer Lua over Python, that's about it |
| 00:15.24 | Cide | fail |
| 00:15.55 | Thunder_Child | yes Cide, you do |
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| 00:19.14 | Cide | foxlit: what were the issue you were having with line numbers btw? |
| 00:19.19 | Cide | issues |
| 00:19.28 | foxlit | There's no good way to do them, Cide. |
| 00:19.45 | Cide | I came across http://code.activestate.com/recipes/576693/ |
| 00:19.47 | foxlit | More specifically, I do not want you to copy the line numbers when you copy the code. |
| 00:19.51 | Cide | seems like a good implementation |
| 00:20.02 | foxlit | And I would very much not like to use any javascript. |
| 00:20.09 | Cide | a table with two columns, the former being the line numbers |
| 00:20.21 | foxlit | long lines |
| 00:20.21 | Cide | wrapped in <pre> for fixed-width font |
| 00:20.27 | Shirik | a friend of mine really fucked up git |
| 00:20.40 | Shirik | what does it mean if it says you're currently on (no branch) |
| 00:20.43 | Shirik | as your branch |
| 00:20.45 | Cide | well, you could parse that really |
| 00:21.02 | Shirik | or more specifically, how do I merge him back to master? |
| 00:21.10 | Cide | if you can control the width of the fixed width font of the code |
| 00:22.25 | foxlit | Hm, so their solution is to overflow: auto the code cell |
| 00:22.48 | foxlit | or even an outer div |
| 00:23.22 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: despite all the issues you seem to be having would you say git is better than svn? |
| 00:23.23 | Cide | yeah, they add a vertical scroll |
| 00:23.28 | foxlit | horizontal |
| 00:23.29 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 00:23.30 | Cide | err yeah |
| 00:23.31 | Shirik | I haven't decided |
| 00:23.35 | Shirik | Honestly, _I_ don't have problems |
| 00:23.39 | Shirik | my moron teammates do |
| 00:24.05 | foxlit | Cide: it's not too bad, though I kind of like wrapping more |
| 00:24.11 | Cide | yeah |
| 00:24.21 | Arrowmaster | i swear ive seen line numbering done on a <pre> using just css |
| 00:24.34 | Cide | can you control the width of the fixed-width font? |
| 00:24.39 | foxlit | Cide: no. |
| 00:24.41 | Cide | weak |
| 00:24.57 | foxlit | Or, rather, I won't. I think I just send {font-family: monospace} |
| 00:25.02 | Cide | you could however wrap it manually on a width that's less than or equal to the window on all browsers |
| 00:25.13 | Cide | and add matching linebreaks in the line numbers |
| 00:25.16 | foxlit | [ah, no. But I should do that.] |
| 00:25.17 | Cide | heh |
| 00:25.32 | Cide | width being number-of-characters |
| 00:25.38 | foxlit | I can't really control the size of the viewport either |
| 00:25.54 | foxlit | and making a fixed width layout for displaying code is just plain evil. People have wide monitors |
| 00:26.03 | Cide | true |
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| 00:30.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: get better teammates |
| 00:31.17 | Kraps | LETS DO IT LIVE |
| 00:31.28 | Thunder_Child | microsoft live? |
| 00:31.35 | Thunder_Child | or was that windows live |
| 00:31.40 | Thunder_Child | windows i think |
| 00:31.56 | Jamash | doesn't CSS have a counter system? |
| 00:31.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: just give your teammates the mercurial client with the hg-git plugin and let them go 'oh shinny' over the gui |
| 00:32.17 | Jamash | http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#counters |
| 00:32.32 | Shirik | Seriously I don't even know how he did what he did |
| 00:32.37 | Shirik | he was committing on a detached head |
| 00:32.44 | Arrowmaster | thats easy |
| 00:32.49 | Shirik | so I just had him create a new branch and push it |
| 00:32.53 | Shirik | and let me deal with the rest of the mess |
| 00:32.59 | Shirik | any ideas on how he did it? |
| 00:33.08 | Arrowmaster | he probably did a git checkout on a commit instead of a branch |
| 00:33.23 | Arrowmaster | that or there are a few other ways to get a detached head |
| 00:34.15 | Cide | (decapitation anyone?) |
| 00:34.16 | Kraps | I GOT A CATA BETA INVITE |
| 00:34.27 | Kraps | HOLY SHIT |
| 00:35.02 | Jamash | Kraps: I heard the beta was ending tomorrow |
| 00:35.09 | Kraps | NOOOOOOO |
| 00:35.13 | Jamash | j/k |
| 00:37.48 | Kraps | it is pretty late though |
| 00:38.50 | foxlit | is it? |
| 00:39.12 | Kraps | Patch 4.0.1 Stage 3 available on Background Downloader |
| 00:39.20 | Kraps | i would say so :p |
| 00:39.28 | foxlit | I'd wait for Stage 42 |
| 00:40.20 | Kraps | thats where they're filming the answer to life the universe and everything |
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| 00:48.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 00:48.30 | purl | beats foxlit over the head with a microkernel |
| 00:53.51 | Thunder_Child | there needs to be an IM client/server that will replicate a reply across all clients that are logged in to that account |
| 00:54.42 | Kraps | which beta server are you guys on? |
| 00:54.47 | Kraps | US |
| 00:54.53 | Thunder_Child | from what i understand...all of them |
| 00:55.08 | Thunder_Child | at least, thats what it seems like |
| 00:55.16 | Jamash | I'm on the pve and pvp US servers |
| 00:55.58 | foxlit | gnome. |
| 01:11.57 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* 2 monitors is not enough |
| 01:12.08 | NiLon | so true |
| 01:12.30 | NiLon | 2x 26" 1x 19" mmm |
| 01:12.36 | Thunder_Child | i think i might be able to manage 6 |
| 01:13.01 | Kraps | "It's true you need two points to plot a line, but the third defines if it's straight or curved." |
| 01:13.16 | Legorol | nice one |
| 01:13.21 | Iriel | 1 x 30 + 1 x 24 + 1 x 21 mmmm |
| 01:13.47 | Dagmar | s/curved/kinky/ |
| 01:13.48 | Cide | that's lacking symmetry Iriel! |
| 01:13.50 | NiLon | 30" could be nice |
| 01:14.14 | Kraps | World of Raids is shutting down |
| 01:14.19 | Iriel | Cide: I could swap the 21 for another 24 but i'd lose the 3D vision support (even though I barely use it) |
| 01:14.31 | NiLon | when I got my first 26" I thought it was way too big, now it feels too small :p |
| 01:14.39 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Your IM question was solved about ten years or so ago. Jabber. |
| 01:14.45 | Dagmar | ...astonishingly enough. |
| 01:15.12 | Cide | Iriel: I think you need 24 30 24, and then the 21 above the 30 |
| 01:15.29 | Cide | that would be optimal! |
| 01:15.38 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: well gtalk doesnt do it, do you know any implementation that does? |
| 01:15.40 | Cide | so you can adore the wow sky |
| 01:16.13 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Very likely pidgin. The protocol jabber uses supports multiple simultaneous logins as well as prioritizing which ones messages go to |
| 01:16.36 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i have pidgin and it doesnt to it, even with 2 pidgin clients |
| 01:19.13 | Dagmar | Logged into a jabber server? |
| 01:20.59 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: just gtalk |
| 01:21.04 | Dagmar | Man I'd keep digging on this but I have to run errands, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol confirms that I'm not misremembering |
| 01:21.21 | Dagmar | I used it myself for a few weeks many years ago |
| 01:21.45 | Dagmar | This link may also be useful http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/juser/2007-January/001779.html |
| 01:21.54 | Thunder_Child | thanks |
| 01:22.29 | Dagmar | It used to bug the crap out of me when I'd forget and leave my AIM client logged in at home |
| 01:23.06 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.20 | Dagmar | Anyway gotta run |
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| 01:28.54 | Legorol | aaaaaah, creeper :( |
| 01:29.24 | Legorol | demolished a large chunk of my fencing, lighting and took out a bunch of glass windows |
| 01:29.35 | kd3 | ! |
| 01:31.47 | kd3 | has images of the crawler-transporter platform escaping to lego's lawn |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:32.05 | Shirik | gitk is scary |
| 01:32.10 | Shirik | I just merged 5 branches together |
| 01:32.19 | kd3 | it just said 'ok. sure!' |
| 01:32.20 | kd3 | ? |
| 01:32.24 | Shirik | yes, and it looks like something exploded on my project |
| 01:32.31 | kd3 | sounds about right |
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| 01:40.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: be careful where you aim |
| 01:40.57 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:41.40 | Thunder_Child | i miss lunessa, at least he always gets the dirty jokes |
| 01:43.40 | Cide | I got it |
| 01:44.14 | Thunder_Child | yes, but he would also comment |
| 01:44.29 | Cide | in your face |
| 01:44.41 | Thunder_Child | no, he wouldnt comment in my face |
| 01:45.06 | Cide | usure? |
| 01:45.41 | Thunder_Child | well, he has not done it yet |
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| 02:00.13 | Cide | how bad |
| 02:08.45 | Cide | is it normal for + to have higher priority than << ? |
| 02:08.53 | Cide | that is |
| 02:09.19 | Cide | 1<<1+1 == 4 as opposed to 3 |
| 02:10.02 | Dagmar | Everything seems to follow C precedence so yeah + is higher |
| 02:11.12 | Dagmar | Google sez http://www.difranco.net/cop2220/op-prec.htm may help ya |
| 02:11.46 | Dagmar | Although my personal policy is "When in doubt, NEED MOAR PARENTHESIS" |
| 02:21.48 | Thunder_Child | i quite agree with that |
| 02:22.00 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with being more clear |
| 02:24.36 | Shirik | so um..... http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5c81aca2289113eb007cd541706d517b.png |
| 02:24.47 | Dagmar | Man the best part is when some head wants to argue that it's a "waste" to put extra parens in code. |
| 02:24.51 | Shirik | a little later: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/086b97ca3697c472a9cda4d13be3ea49.png |
| 02:25.57 | Dagmar | IF you're patient enough, you can just let them go until they run down and admit that most compilers/interpreters will just optimize out surplus parens |
| 02:26.20 | Cide | Thunder_Child: what? |
| 02:26.27 | kd3 | Shirik, whee naive time estimation code? |
| 02:26.34 | Thunder_Child | Cide: i didnt say anything |
| 02:26.40 | Cide | (04:21:47) Thunder_Child: i quite agree with that |
| 02:26.40 | Cide | (04:21:59) Thunder_Child: nothing wrong with being more clear |
| 02:26.55 | Thunder_Child | Cide: in regards to the parenthesis |
| 02:27.04 | Cide | obviously, I added parentheses |
| 02:27.08 | Cide | still, the default priority seems off |
| 02:27.43 | Cide | lots of parentheses don't make code more clear though |
| 02:28.21 | Xinhuan | -o3 will probably optimize away extra () |
| 02:28.27 | Dagmar | Nah but a few in the right places will |
| 02:28.30 | Xinhuan | otherwise it doesn't |
| 02:28.39 | Dagmar | It's not like we're saying you should code in LISP or something' |
| 02:29.04 | Galvin | Got a weird bug going on here. when i use an animation group to fade out. If I start to fade out a frame that already has a lower alpha. then stop the fadeout. i cant get the frame back to setalpha(1), any work arounds? |
| 02:29.41 | Cide | Xinhuan: huh? |
| 02:29.59 | Cide | not really sure what that has to do with my question |
| 02:30.04 | Cide | is it a common priority? |
| 02:30.05 | Xinhuan | nvm then heh |
| 02:30.08 | Cide | the example is from python |
| 02:30.11 | Cide | it seems strange |
| 02:30.20 | Galvin | Animationgroup for alpha. use it on a frame that already has a setalpha(0.5), then stop it before the animation plays to tis end. now you cant get the frame back to 1 by doing setalpha(1) |
| 02:32.33 | Cide | setalpha(10)? |
| 02:32.47 | Galvin | tried setting higher than 1, can try 10, brb |
| 02:33.16 | Kraps | stormwind had some redecorating eh |
| 02:33.18 | Galvin | 10 didn't work tried 100 |
| 02:34.23 | Cide | can't you call group:Finish()? |
| 02:34.55 | Cide | or :Stop() |
| 02:36.22 | Galvin | I have if animationgroup:IsPlaying() then animationgroup:Stop() |
| 02:38.06 | Cide | that's assuming that it's playing, not that it's paused, no? |
| 02:39.15 | Galvin | I dont have a way to pause the animation in my addon anyway. |
| 02:39.38 | Cide | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/AnimationGroup/Stop says that it should be returned to full alpha if stopped |
| 02:39.47 | Galvin | basically got a function that hides a frame and plays an animationgroup to fade it out before hiding, works perfect till I started addin an alpha setting for the frame. |
| 02:40.25 | Galvin | it returns it to the alpha setting that was set by setalpha based on my testing. |
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| 02:42.16 | Cide | but you can't change it higher than that after that? |
| 02:43.11 | Galvin | yeah |
| 02:43.45 | Cide | so setalpha(0.5), group:Play(), group:Stop(), -- can't set alpha higher than 0.5? |
| 02:44.03 | Galvin | I do have a OnFinished script that hides the frame and nils the script |
| 02:44.11 | Galvin | not sure if that could be causing it to bug |
| 02:44.36 | Cide | well try and figure out a smaller test case |
| 02:44.43 | Cide | does the one I outlined above work? |
| 02:44.50 | Cide | s/work/display the bug/ |
| 02:45.59 | Kraps | anyone on the pvp beta server? |
| 02:46.42 | Galvin | yeah thats exactly what I did. |
| 02:47.33 | Galvin | Maybe blizzard never figured someone would fade out on a frame with a lower than 1 setting for alpha. |
| 02:49.01 | Cide | seems like a bug but possibly a hard one to fix |
| 02:49.15 | Cide | you could hack it by setting the alpha to 1 right prior to playing the animation I guess |
| 02:49.22 | Cide | but that may look very odd |
| 02:49.28 | Galvin | yeah it would, too ugly |
| 02:49.42 | Cide | or set it to 1 and then fade out from 0.5 in the animation |
| 02:49.44 | Galvin | or use onupdate and manually code it. |
| 02:50.41 | Galvin | I'll try that |
| 02:50.49 | Cide | which? |
| 02:54.43 | Galvin | Settng the alpha to 1 then setting the alpha back to the alpha setting after the animation finishes or gets stopped. |
| 02:55.13 | Cide | gotta make sure the animation only fades out from the alpha setting down to 0 then |
| 02:55.23 | Dewin | Hmm. Is there a way to nudge Minion or the Curse Update to work on a Beta/PTR addon folder and download the appropriate versions of an addon when available? |
| 02:56.50 | Galvin | it the animation finishes on its own it doesn't bug. |
| 02:57.15 | Galvin | and this hack is too ulgy. but it fixed it, but too ugly to use. |
| 02:59.44 | Cide | can't you set the initial alpha of the animation to be equal to the setting? |
| 03:00.24 | Galvin | I could try something else, make the animation group fade to 0 with no time, then fade back in with no time, then fade out. |
| 03:00.42 | Cide | sounds like my solution is much easier |
| 03:00.56 | Galvin | It works buit it looks ugly. |
| 03:01.16 | Cide | it shouldn't be any different if the initial frame of the animation sets the alpha to the setting |
| 03:01.21 | Galvin | its not that hard to add more animations to the group anyway. |
| 03:01.36 | Cide | unless there's a one frame delay between setting it to 1 and the animation starting playing |
| 03:02.00 | Galvin | what happens when i set to alpha(1) before it starts playing on a frame that has an alpha of 0.5 is you see it get bright again then fade out. |
| 03:02.16 | Cide | so it goes 0.5, 1, 0.5 over 3 frames? |
| 03:02.51 | Cide | if you mean it goes 0.5, 1, 0.99, 0.98, 0.97, ..., then you're not doing as I told you |
| 03:02.58 | Galvin | Im probably confusing my self. if the frame has an alpha(0.5) then you do setalpha(1), play, then stop, it looks weird casue iot doesn't fade out from 0.5 |
| 03:03.10 | Cide | you should tell it to fade out from 0.5 |
| 03:03.15 | Cide | and set the frame's alpha to 1 right before |
| 03:03.30 | Cide | and set it back to 0.5 if the animation stops |
| 03:04.02 | Galvin | using SetChange? |
| 03:04.47 | Galvin | I dont see where I can tell the animationgroup to start playing at certain alpha setting without using setalpha. |
| 03:04.55 | Cide | shrug |
| 03:04.59 | Cide | I haven't used animations |
| 03:05.03 | Cide | so no idea there |
| 03:05.19 | Galvin | Yeah I dont think you can do that. |
| 03:05.35 | Galvin | well letm e try this and i'll leet you know if it worked. |
| 03:10.39 | Seerah|away | http://tortoisesvn.net/howpaypalscrewsopensourceprojects |
| 03:13.55 | Arrowmaster | its a well known fact that paypal policies have always screwed everybody |
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| 03:20.33 | Thunder_Child | ok....machete has more of a well known cast than i thought |
| 03:20.39 | Xinhuan | so the problem is he used a singapore paypal account? |
| 03:20.40 | Thunder_Child | very odd |
| 03:20.45 | Xinhuan | rather than some other country? |
| 03:20.47 | Galvin | Well that didn't work. I may just do it in onupdate. thanks for helping. |
| 03:22.48 | Galvin | Oh even if the animation finished the frame still bugs, just doubled checked that. |
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| 03:28.17 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 03:30.00 | Cide | nou |
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| 03:34.20 | Kraps | http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/25/amazon-just-sent-out-a-bunch-of-emails-about-cataclysms-release/ |
| 03:36.22 | Dagmar | Ah thanks! |
| 03:36.31 | Dagmar | Time to pull out that draft email and send it to my boss. |
| 03:37.17 | Kraps | lul |
| 03:37.39 | Dagmar | That's actually the weekend I figured it was going to be happening on, based on lead time for DVD/CD pressing |
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| 04:08.15 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Najzeko epic unblock reason |
| 04:09.28 | Kraps | Shirik: "my dog did it" would have made more sense |
| 04:11.32 | Kraps | worgen dks are the badassest |
| 04:14.49 | Kraps | :o male belf warrior pass the sword behind their backs |
| 04:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | man the infrastructure where I work is crazy |
| 04:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | we have cross forest exchange logins to mailboxes attached to disabled accounts |
| 04:28.50 | Thunder_Child | omg this movie is soooo bad |
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| 04:47.11 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 04:48.06 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: machete |
| 04:49.22 | Mikk | WOO HOO |
| 04:49.34 | Mikk | November 23 is an ace date |
| 04:49.38 | Mikk | I'd have hated November 2 |
| 04:52.24 | Mikk | (though yeah only blizzard knows and everything else is speculation etcetc) |
| 05:01.14 | Thunder_Child | that assumes blizz even knows |
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| 05:03.13 | Napoleone | what happens? |
| 05:03.57 | Dagmar | Argh. A hate buggy water |
| 05:04.49 | Cide | wat happen |
| 05:08.54 | Kraps | youtube fades out vids you've already seen |
| 05:08.59 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:11.34 | Dagmar | There's still some bugs in Notch's water code that means you can actually put _holes_ in a lake that seem to cause permanent currents you can't get rid of. |
| 05:11.59 | Dagmar | Most obvious symptom: Piles of cows/chickens/pigs having a party in the middle of your reflecting pool for no apparent reason. |
| 05:12.10 | Dagmar | ...still, it keeps them out of my garden. |
| 05:19.42 | Dagmar | Sitting here watching the clock tick... beneficial side-effect. Occasionally a creeper will wind up in there and blow the lot to hell |
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| 05:20.45 | Amarande | wow, I was on fire in ICC25 tonight :) |
| 05:21.29 | Amarande | OH upgrade. Gloves upgrade. Neck upgrade. Chest piece for OS tank set. |
| 05:21.47 | Cide | how is that being on fire? |
| 05:21.54 | Cide | being on fire == doing good, not whoring loot |
| 05:22.26 | Amarande | yeah, I was doing that too |
| 05:22.41 | Amarande | I *earn* my loot :P |
| 05:23.17 | Cide | sure you do |
| 05:23.56 | Amarande | btw: were the raging behemoth's shoulderplates actually *meant* to be BoE, or was that a typo on Blizzard's part during dev? |
| 05:23.59 | Amarande | it just seems odd :) |
| 05:24.36 | Amarande | (and no, that wasn't one of tonight's upgrades. that dropped, but I already had them from AH ... our warrior got those) |
| 05:25.10 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:25.15 | Shirik | who the hell came up with the idea of docstrings |
| 05:25.37 | Napoleone | hmm whats the best waters in game? |
| 05:25.46 | Shirik | bye Cide |
| 05:28.05 | Kraps | Shirik: your mom? |
| 05:28.18 | Shirik | .. |
| 05:33.43 | Amarande | Napoleone: why drink water when you can drink Sulfuron Slammer ;) |
| 05:34.11 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:46.43 | mikma | i was told yesterday that i wasn't a true atheist. |
| 05:50.23 | Iriel | mikma: ?? |
| 05:50.41 | Shirik | how dare you be apathetic about apathy |
| 05:52.48 | mikma | iriel: yeah! "you have to believe in something, if you do, you are not true atheist!" |
| 05:53.59 | Iriel | mikma: ah so true atheism is impossible? |
| 05:54.05 | Amarande | Shirik: we tried to do something about the apathy in the world |
| 05:54.07 | Amarande | but people didn't care :( |
| 05:54.12 | Napoleone | i'm closer to a buddhist than any other. but i'm materialist ;P |
| 05:55.26 | Napoleone | but having a term for atheism is wrong though |
| 05:56.02 | Napoleone | then in my title I'm a non truckdriver, non waitress, non ALL professions in the world exept for student me ;P |
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| 05:56.18 | Napoleone | thats the only place that we have a title for beeing NOT somthing |
| 05:58.12 | Amarande | Napoleone: actually no, we also have a title in trade chat for people who are not something |
| 05:58.17 | Amarande | in particular, people who are not good at raiding |
| 05:58.18 | Amarande | we call them bads |
| 05:58.20 | Amarande | :) |
| 05:58.23 | Napoleone | hehe |
| 05:59.03 | Napoleone | hmm point me in the direction of making hyperlinks work in chat |
| 06:00.22 | Napoleone | jnwhiteh you here? |
| 06:00.30 | Napoleone | i know what he needs to make.. |
| 06:00.32 | mikma | iriel: yes, that what i was told. i was liek "whatever, i don't believe in anything. what? you don't believe me?" |
| 06:00.47 | Napoleone | release a pdf of the index.. so i dont have to flip the book 200 times ;P |
| 06:02.45 | mikma | napoleone: what are you wanting to do? |
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| 06:03.41 | Napoleone | enable clicking for hyperlinks |
| 06:04.05 | Napoleone | when someone links shadowmourne. i cant click it.. i know i have to enable something and something |
| 06:04.25 | mikma | is this because of your chat-mod? |
| 06:04.54 | Napoleone | "chat" mod yes |
| 06:05.12 | mikma | which means you alter the chat in some way that eliminates links from working? |
| 06:06.14 | Napoleone | i just can interact with em |
| 06:06.47 | mikma | well then you have some frame over the chatframe that blocks you from clicking it |
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| 06:09.14 | LebQzz | checking that now |
| 06:09.41 | LebQzz | gc_new:SetHyperlinksEnabled(true); is set |
| 06:10.01 | Avis | is chat set to noninteractive XD |
| 06:10.22 | LebQzz | let me check... if i can find that func ;P |
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| 06:11.58 | Shirik | ._. |
| 06:12.11 | LebQzz | Enable mouse? |
| 06:12.13 | Shirik | I've spent the last hour reverse engineering a file format that I know has the IP address in it "127.0.0.1" |
| 06:12.30 | mikma | stop hacking |
| 06:12.33 | mikma | or cracking |
| 06:12.37 | mikma | whatever, nerd |
| 06:12.42 | Shirik | so I've been looking for 7F000001 |
| 06:12.49 | Shirik | I finally figured it out |
| 06:12.54 | Shirik | They put it in the file as a fucking string |
| 06:12.59 | Amarande | Shirik: wrong endianness and it's 0100007F? |
| 06:13.00 | Amarande | oh |
| 06:13.02 | Shirik | so it's the ASCII equivalent "127.0.0.1" |
| 06:13.22 | Shirik | If I had just opened the damn thing in a hex editor I would have found it in 5 seconds |
| 06:13.39 | LebQzz | lol |
| 06:14.14 | LebQzz | grr |
| 06:14.29 | Iriel | Shirik: strings + grep == your friend |
| 06:14.32 | mikma | shirik: things like that can eat a man, yes yes? |
| 06:14.42 | Shirik | yes mikma |
| 06:15.01 | Avis | you have an onhyperlinkclick handler ? |
| 06:15.11 | Avis | i'm just saying random things, I have no idea what your addon is or how it works lol |
| 06:15.14 | LebQzz | is that nessesary also? |
| 06:15.30 | LebQzz | back to the book |
| 06:16.14 | Avis | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnHyperlinkClick |
| 06:16.33 | LebQzz | if my router would allow the data to load |
| 06:16.50 | LebQzz | I'm having a problem with overflow on the broser area on our lan.. |
| 06:17.00 | LebQzz | This web page is not available. is like 9 of 10 times |
| 06:19.12 | mikma | OnHyperlinkClick(self, "linkData", "link", "button") |
| 06:19.20 | mikma | -- Print information about a clicked hyperlink |
| 06:19.20 | mikma | local someMessageFrame = WowLuaFrameOutput |
| 06:19.21 | mikma | someMessageFrame:SetScript("OnHyperlinkClick", function(self, linkData, link, button) self:AddMessage(format("You clicked on %s with %s", link, button)) |
| 06:19.24 | mikma | end) |
| 06:20.17 | LebQzz | ty |
| 06:20.46 | LebQzz | ok |
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| 06:21.30 | LebQzz | now i got that working lol. do i have to make my own tooltip? |
| 06:22.51 | Avis | you can use the gametooltop |
| 06:22.52 | Avis | tip |
| 06:24.02 | mikma | whats the # Interface for cata? 40000? |
| 06:25.00 | Avis | yup, thats what getbuildinfo is saying |
| 06:26.02 | mikma | goodie. |
| 06:34.36 | mikma | is there any idea why Two Forms ain't working on worgen? |
| 06:35.00 | kd3 | have you gotten to the point in the worgen starting experience where you learn it? |
| 06:35.42 | mikma | lvl24 ^^ |
| 06:35.53 | kd3 | you've probably got a bugged worgen, then |
| 06:36.29 | LebQzz | hah nice.. bugged wowrgen |
| 06:36.47 | mikma | yeah |
| 06:36.54 | LebQzz | oh yeah they are fluffy, so they BURN EASY!!! ;P |
| 06:36.59 | mikma | "You cannot transform right now" |
| 06:37.02 | LebQzz | need to fire up my firemage. |
| 06:37.25 | kd3 | anyway, off to bed |
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| 06:39.59 | mikma | wobin: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/spelling-mishap-in-hands-of-police/story-e6freoof-1225929380266 |
| 06:40.55 | Wobin | oh man, terrible =) |
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| 06:44.03 | mikma | i hope they will add a proper animation for Running Wild |
| 06:47.50 | Avis | well it definitly wont stay an untextured worgen carrying a human lol |
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| 06:54.24 | LebQzz | would make sense if worgen was horde |
| 06:54.42 | LebQzz | mana nd werewolf is not the best of friends in proper lore ;P |
| 06:56.58 | mikma | avis: that was awesome, watched the video about it |
| 06:57.11 | mikma | now it's just worgen running faster |
| 06:57.32 | mikma | i'd hope they would add the same animation the npc worgens have when they sprint towards you with 4 legs |
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| 07:22.33 | Shirik | I just made an awesome hack |
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| 07:22.58 | Shirik | A compiler I was using failed because it resided in a folder with a space in it, so it would try to call its preprocessor and fail because it didn't have quotes around the path |
| 07:23.12 | Shirik | so I wrote a program that converts path names to the traditional 8.3 format with ~1 |
| 07:23.15 | Shirik | and it works |
| 07:23.29 | Shirik | so I call my program which converts the pathname and then forks into the compiler |
| 07:23.37 | Shirik | so much win |
| 07:26.54 | Jerub | KS :D |
| 07:27.00 | LebQzz | KO!!! |
| 07:29.30 | LebQzz | are there some functions that can tell me what hooks or events are tied to a given frame? |
| 07:30.27 | nevcairiel | Shirik: until there is more then one folder with a similar name, and it happens to use ~2 instead :p |
| 07:30.34 | Shirik | yeah I mentioned that |
| 07:30.38 | Shirik | to the guy that reviewed it |
| 07:30.57 | Shirik | (p.s. he was like "wtf is this shit" and I was like "I'm exploiting backwards compatibility with win 3.1 just trust me") |
| 07:31.18 | nevcairiel | why does that tool fail at quoting anyway |
| 07:31.37 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 07:31.42 | Shirik | and it's not the first, either |
| 07:31.43 | Shirik | but it's very old |
| 07:31.44 | Shirik | so.. |
| 07:31.56 | nevcairiel | it was written for win 3.1? |
| 07:31.59 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I assume you used GetShortPathName? |
| 07:32.00 | Shirik | no |
| 07:32.04 | Shirik | it's just bleh |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | zenzelezz... um... no |
| 07:32.33 | Shirik | It was in C# so |
| 07:32.38 | Shirik | I guess I could pinvoke that but |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | it shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:32.42 | zenzelezz | oh right, C# can't access Win32? |
| 07:32.47 | Shirik | It can with some work |
| 07:33.13 | nevcairiel | [DllImport("kernel32.dll", CharSet=CharSet.Auto)] |
| 07:33.13 | nevcairiel | public static extern uint GetShortPathName(string lpszLongPath, StringBuilder lpszShortPath, uint cchBuffer); |
| 07:33.15 | nevcairiel | there you go |
| 07:33.36 | Shirik | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:33.37 | Shirik | lpsz |
| 07:33.39 | Shirik | the memories |
| 07:33.40 | Shirik | they hurt |
| 07:36.54 | mikma | what was the levellimit that you can see? |
| 07:37.00 | mikma | 20 levels bigger than you is max? |
| 07:37.11 | zenzelezz | Shirik: admit it, you miss variable types like LPCTSTR |
| 07:37.14 | mikma | meaning, you are 25 so you can see level 45 but not level 46? |
| 07:38.33 | zenzelezz | in WoW? |
| 07:38.41 | mikma | in wow, cata too |
| 07:39.32 | nevcairiel | cata is wow too! |
| 07:39.44 | mikma | but i am not sure is the limit same in them ;) |
| 07:39.50 | zenzelezz | no idea about Cataclysm, but I thought in WoW live it depends on the target... no limit on friendlies, less than 20 on hostiles or something? |
| 07:40.58 | mikma | thats what i was remembering too |
| 07:44.05 | Amarande | I think 10's the limit you can see on hostiles |
| 07:44.26 | Amarande | although a lot of tooltip addons will often manage to ferret it out based on inspection, for players at least |
| 07:44.35 | Amarande | and assuming you aren't PvP flagged at the time |
| 07:47.16 | mikma | well, i am talking about the leveldifference between players, forgot to mention that |
| 07:48.54 | Amarande | yeah, for players by default it's +10 the max you can see for opposite faction |
| 07:49.18 | Amarande | if you're using a tooltip addon, it might be able to figure out the level for higher level players anyway, though, by judging based on Stamina bonuses and HP in particular |
| 07:49.35 | Amarande | although if you're PvP flagged you can't inspect opposite faction players so it won't work then. |
| 07:49.50 | mikma | i'm not :) |
| 07:50.30 | mikma | local function GetLevel(unit); if UnitLevel(unit) == -1 then; return UnitLevel("player")+10; else; return UnitLevel(unit); end; end |
| 07:50.33 | mikma | :) |
| 07:56.11 | mikma | i think shorter version would go something like this: local function GetLevel(unit); return UnitLevel(unit) ~= -1 and UnitLevel(unit) or UnitLevel(unit)+10; end |
| 07:58.00 | Shirik | calling UnitLevel(unit) 3 times ftl? |
| 07:59.12 | zenzelezz | I would hardly call it faster than light |
| 07:59.21 | mikma | yeah, last one is "player" |
| 08:01.38 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: now you've done it, now i have to start rewatching bsg |
| 08:01.46 | Fisker | HAHA WAT |
| 08:01.52 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 08:01.55 | Fisker | MY CAPS LOCK IS ACTUALLY STUCK |
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| 08:02.08 | mikma | well press shift down you moron |
| 08:02.15 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:02.29 | Fisker | yeah mikma already tried that |
| 08:02.36 | nevcairiel | thats why its called caps LOCK, it LOCKS! |
| 08:02.38 | Fisker | but it turns out it was the right shift button that was stuck |
| 08:02.53 | Shirik | Remember typewriters |
| 08:02.57 | Shirik | the caps lock button really would lock |
| 08:03.04 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 08:03.12 | nevcairiel | that was the whole point of it |
| 08:03.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:03.20 | Fisker | i will kill you |
| 08:03.21 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 08:03.24 | Shirik | but i love you |
| 08:03.33 | mikma | shirik: so, why it's ftl? |
| 08:03.43 | Shirik | because it's bad? |
| 08:04.01 | mikma | and you have a better way of doing it? |
| 08:04.06 | nevcairiel | You should cache the result of the call |
| 08:04.46 | mikma | local level = UnitLevel(unit); return level ~= -1 and level or UnitLevel("player")+10 .. ? |
| 08:04.47 | Shirik | ^ |
| 08:04.55 | nevcairiel | sure, that works |
| 08:05.02 | mikma | other ways? |
| 08:05.03 | Fisker | i lvoe you too Shirik |
| 08:05.07 | Fisker | love* |
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| 08:37.39 | mikma | umm. so where can i get glyphs in cata, i can't get my lvl25 priest into dalaran and other classes can't buy glyphs from other class vendors |
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| 08:40.20 | Fisker | get a mage to port you |
| 08:40.44 | mikma | got mage? :P |
| 08:40.52 | mikma | also, come online and invite me in the guild |
| 08:41.15 | Adys | mikma: get a priest, level it to lvl 70+ on the beta, buy glyphs on that priest, mail them to your lvl 25 |
| 08:41.31 | mikma | that's a splendid idea |
| 08:42.28 | Fisker | WoW is being racist mikma |
| 08:42.31 | Fisker | oh there it started |
| 08:42.35 | Fisker | took like a minute :P |
| 08:42.54 | mikma | well, are you online yet to invite me? |
| 08:42.58 | Fisker | what's your priests name? |
| 08:43.03 | mikma | mikmawolf :D |
| 08:43.09 | Fisker | sounds like a worgen |
| 08:43.14 | mikma | you think? :) |
| 08:43.14 | Fisker | in which case i'm horde |
| 08:43.27 | mikma | didn't you have ally |
| 08:43.47 | mikma | well, nevcairiel halp! |
| 08:45.11 | Shirik | Adys |
| 08:45.12 | Shirik | I love you |
| 08:45.20 | Adys | sup |
| 08:45.20 | Fisker | sooo |
| 08:45.29 | Fisker | Intel may release those 600GB SSD's already |
| 08:47.29 | Fisker | so apparently it takes 5 years to login my worgen mikma |
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| 08:47.36 | Fisker | though i doubt it had rights to invite anyway |
| 08:47.43 | mikma | it shoul |
| 08:47.54 | mikma | if not, i'll jsut login and promote you |
| 08:48.20 | Fisker | well i'll just go sleep |
| 08:48.34 | Fisker | something is messed up |
| 08:48.43 | Avis | wtf |
| 08:48.49 | Avis | ClearTarget() isnt protected |
| 08:48.52 | Avis | you can call it in macros |
| 08:50.35 | Fisker | lol |
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| 08:55.55 | mikma | thanks fisker |
| 09:01.15 | mikma | rofl |
| 09:01.28 | mikma | eu ally Secure Hookers has 2,5 million honorable kills |
| 09:01.42 | Fisker | btw mikma |
| 09:01.45 | Fisker | got a mage yet? |
| 09:01.51 | mikma | nein |
| 09:02.01 | Fisker | turns out my mage can be an alliance fag |
| 09:02.23 | mikma | well, turn him if you wish so |
| 09:02.45 | Fisker | where you at? |
| 09:02.50 | mikma | ashenvale |
| 09:02.54 | mikma | but i can get to darn |
| 09:03.26 | Fisker | going to darnassus then |
| 09:03.37 | Fisker | or actually i'm not :( |
| 09:03.44 | Fisker | instance not found :( |
| 09:04.13 | mikma | world server is down |
| 09:05.29 | mikma | also, trying to customize my worgen bugged it's skin |
| 09:05.30 | mikma | whoop |
| 09:05.37 | mikma | now the server is back up |
| 09:06.07 | Fisker | coming |
| 09:16.50 | mikma | i must say, guildmaster and officers requiring authenticator is a brilliant idea from blizz |
| 09:19.31 | mikma | now, what's wrong with the picture that i can't queue into instances? "You have not completed the required quest" |
| 09:19.38 | mikma | this is for all instances |
| 09:20.15 | Fisker | they don't require it mikma |
| 09:20.19 | Fisker | it's just on by default |
| 09:20.24 | Fisker | well i doubt it's on by default for guildmasters |
| 09:20.32 | Fisker | but it's very nice that they made the flag though |
| 09:20.37 | Avis | oh man lol, this should be reported to blizz XD |
| 09:20.39 | Fisker | Then you can set some better guildbank permissions |
| 09:20.49 | Avis | can use it to create macros that will cast abilities based on buffs or cooldowns or whatever |
| 09:21.00 | mikma | fisker: it's permanently on for gm and officers :P but lower ranks than that you acn toggle |
| 09:21.21 | Fisker | hmm |
| 09:21.24 | Fisker | they changed it then |
| 09:21.29 | Fisker | i could disable it in the last build |
| 09:21.45 | Fisker | Seems odd that Blizzard would require guildmasters to have authenticators |
| 09:21.49 | Fisker | expect epic QQ |
| 09:22.01 | Fisker | "OMG BLIZZARD IS JUST MAKING THIS CHANGE TO CASH IN ON AUTHENTICATORS" |
| 09:22.10 | Fisker | Even though they make absolutely no money from it |
| 09:22.37 | Avis | they should box one with every physical cata copy |
| 09:22.44 | mikma | eliminates lots and lots of stupidity imho |
| 09:22.46 | Fisker | get real Avis |
| 09:22.54 | mikma | "unread mail from: Mykma" |
| 09:22.56 | Avis | being real isnt fun ( |
| 09:23.03 | Avis | i like to be unreal |
| 09:23.27 | Fisker | hmm |
| 09:23.32 | mikma | lol what, 80x Frasco de ira infinita |
| 09:23.39 | Fisker | i'm wondering if should piss away some money on a mini-itx server |
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| 09:45.15 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h1swNWgP8Q&feature=player_embedded |
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| 09:48.43 | Fisker | nice drool Wobin |
| 09:53.32 | Wobin | oglaf is surprisingly sfw today |
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| 10:07.52 | mikma | *HAH* |
| 10:08.09 | mikma | unstuck has been changed |
| 10:08.10 | mikma | completely |
| 10:09.07 | nevcairiel | what does it do now? |
| 10:09.12 | foxlit | kill you. |
| 10:09.18 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_092610_130801.jpg |
| 10:09.19 | nevcairiel | well, that works |
| 10:09.26 | mikma | errors also |
| 10:09.38 | Fisker | it's pretty neat though |
| 10:09.39 | sylvanaar | anyone interested in trying out my Lua IDE. Still need lots of feedback |
| 10:09.39 | foxlit | mikma: does notfor me, on beta. |
| 10:09.47 | mikma | foxlit: click the hs |
| 10:09.52 | mikma | that's what i did |
| 10:09.53 | Fisker | Might help a lot not only in beta cases but otherwise too :P |
| 10:09.54 | foxlit | ah, well, that's boring. |
| 10:09.59 | foxlit | Click your HS for inventory :) |
| 10:10.10 | foxlit | s/for/in/ |
| 10:10.23 | mikma | foxlit: heh, you know, that *wasn't* the idea when i tested it :D |
| 10:10.34 | mikma | i did use my hs, it didn't return me into dalaran and put it on cd |
| 10:10.40 | mikma | then i decided to try auto-unstuck |
| 10:10.49 | mikma | after clicking the hs i got the error |
| 10:11.40 | foxlit | mikma: grats |
| 10:11.44 | mikma | foxlit: thanks |
| 10:11.49 | foxlit | You're stuck on eastern kingdoms, and there's little you can do about it |
| 10:11.55 | mikma | yeah |
| 10:12.14 | foxlit | There's a rumor going around that if you log out on a boat and time your return things just might work. |
| 10:12.15 | mikma | oh i know |
| 10:12.24 | mikma | i convert this char into horde. hehehe. no. |
| 10:20.31 | mikma | foxlit: yeah, stuck. |
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| 10:30.22 | Avis | yup, I definitly just made a macro on live that goes through the entire mm hunter rotation. Cast aspect of dragonhawk if above 80% mana, viper if below 20%, serpent sting if no serpent sting on target, kill shot if usable and off cd, chimera if off cd, aimed if off cd, arcane if off cd, and steady shot |
| 10:30.31 | Avis | using ClearTarget() |
| 10:30.36 | Avis | because it isnt protected |
| 10:32.24 | foxlit | That is /weird/ |
| 10:32.25 | nevcairiel | You know, exploiting gets you banned once it goes over the whole "made a macro as proof of concept" |
| 10:32.27 | Dagmar | You're making it change aspects based on your mana level how? |
| 10:32.35 | foxlit | ClearTarget should really be protected |
| 10:33.00 | foxlit | And it is tagged as such, so perhaps something broke. |
| 10:33.05 | Avis | the next step is to make a thread and get a blue to notice it lol |
| 10:33.36 | nevcairiel | just let one of the guys here know that have a better connection to them, like iriel or jnwhiteh |
| 10:36.28 | mikma | ah hahaha |
| 10:36.33 | foxlit | Alternatively, release a popular addon exploiting it :) |
| 10:36.39 | foxlit | That'll get it fixed yesterday. |
| 10:36.50 | mikma | so i did a faction transfer for worgen -> tauren -> worgen |
| 10:37.06 | nevcairiel | i noticed that like all my chars have a faction transfer open |
| 10:37.06 | mikma | i spawned dead underground in dalaran crater and started to fall down |
| 10:37.07 | nevcairiel | kinda weird |
| 10:37.08 | foxlit | and now you're stuck in worgen form, and still unable to leave EK? |
| 10:37.25 | Dagmar | That's an odd place to spawn |
| 10:37.57 | nevcairiel | time to use that graveyard unstuck :p |
| 10:38.14 | Dagmar | nevcariel: They said about um a week ago I think that they were turning those things off and on for beta users and that brave souls should try them |
| 10:38.26 | Dagmar | ...like, use them based on if you see the option appear |
| 10:38.43 | nevcairiel | I had race change and all that before |
| 10:38.44 | amro | like whack a mole, but far slower |
| 10:38.45 | nevcairiel | but faction was new |
| 10:38.47 | mikma | nevcairiel: i didn't have to, i just released my spirit when the body hit the "ground" |
| 10:38.51 | Dagmar | amro: lol |
| 10:38.55 | foxlit | it's all three types |
| 10:39.11 | foxlit | faction change, race change, re-customization that are randomly chosen. |
| 10:42.25 | tem | I keep running into "traps" |
| 10:42.39 | tem | invisible walls surrouding very small spaces |
| 10:42.47 | tem | and I frequently can't figure out how to get out |
| 10:43.01 | nevcairiel | its a trap! oh wait |
| 10:43.11 | tem | the worst is the "underground" areas that are above ground |
| 10:43.34 | tem | don't go to the center of the searing gorge, for example |
| 10:43.40 | tem | you will not be able to get out |
| 10:43.54 | tem | there's one in Storm Peaks as well |
| 10:44.42 | amro | sylvanaar: what does ticking 'Create module' do? |
| 10:45.33 | sylvanaar | modules are organizational units |
| 10:45.48 | sylvanaar | each project has at last 1 |
| 10:45.51 | sylvanaar | least |
| 10:45.56 | sylvanaar | you only need 1 |
| 10:46.16 | amro | right, so I should always tick it? |
| 10:46.36 | sylvanaar | for each project yeah |
| 10:47.15 | nevcairiel | maybe i should try that, can't hurt |
| 10:48.19 | nevcairiel | where do i find that lua plugin of yours? |
| 10:48.41 | sylvanaar | nev its in the plugin manager of IntelliJ |
| 10:48.48 | nevcairiel | k |
| 10:53.30 | nevcairiel | so far so good, i guess |
| 10:53.33 | nevcairiel | starts hacking |
| 10:53.40 | sylvanaar | try the code formatter |
| 10:54.03 | sylvanaar | thats my most recent addition |
| 10:54.33 | nevcairiel | maybe i should open a project with more then 5 lines of code |
| 10:54.46 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 10:55.12 | nevcairiel | I just created a new library, it doesnt have much in it yet =P |
| 10:56.01 | sylvanaar | the other thing thats neat, is the light blue text (locals) you can ctrl-click them and it will jump to their definitions |
| 10:57.01 | nevcairiel | I just opened ace3, now lets see :d |
| 10:58.01 | sylvanaar | globals (red) dont have ctrl-click |
| 10:58.15 | nevcairiel | reformat seems to work pretty nice, i removed indentation and some newlines from a code block and it fixed it up pretty good |
| 10:58.27 | sylvanaar | awesome |
| 10:59.00 | nevcairiel | althought it disagrees with my indentation |
| 10:59.05 | nevcairiel | but i guess thats a config somewhere |
| 10:59.11 | nevcairiel | spaces vs tabs, etc |
| 10:59.16 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 10:59.37 | sylvanaar | im not sure - but spaces v tabs is configurable |
| 11:00.40 | nevcairiel | what does smart tabs do exactly? |
| 11:00.52 | sylvanaar | settings/codestyle/general has the settings. |
| 11:01.15 | nevcairiel | also, it doesnt look like its working from the preview pane |
| 11:01.22 | nevcairiel | switched it to tabs, but still spaces everywhere |
| 11:02.33 | sylvanaar | i wonder if it converts spaces to tabs during a reformat |
| 11:03.01 | nevcairiel | i had the file indented with tabs, and it replaced it with 2 spaces in reformat |
| 11:03.22 | sylvanaar | did you set the options for Lua or just general? |
| 11:03.34 | nevcairiel | for lua |
| 11:04.05 | nevcairiel | actually, now it worked, it replaced it with tabs again |
| 11:04.07 | nevcairiel | i'm confused |
| 11:04.13 | nevcairiel | trys again on a clean file |
| 11:04.34 | sylvanaar | maybe the option just needed to apply |
| 11:05.00 | nevcairiel | it did fix up some other mistakes though, so thats nice |
| 11:05.08 | nevcairiel | like, it fixes a=b to a = b, just how i like it :) |
| 11:06.31 | nevcairiel | does it have a outline of sorts, all functions and possible file-level locals? |
| 11:06.44 | sylvanaar | just all functions so far |
| 11:06.48 | sylvanaar | bottom left |
| 11:06.55 | nevcairiel | ah there |
| 11:07.01 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/09/gamers-make-faster-decisions-than-nongamers-are-just-as-accurate.ars |
| 11:07.03 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 11:07.43 | mikma | imma gonna change this into gnome if i can't zone anymore |
| 11:08.01 | mikma | i am also missing all the racial passives |
| 11:08.18 | nevcairiel | thats a kinda known bug with race/faction change right now |
| 11:08.31 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: there are some code inspections and intentions...like type a,b = nil, and you will get a warning |
| 11:09.25 | nevcairiel | i have some green dot in the top right corner that claims 200-something typos found, how can i view those? |
| 11:09.42 | sylvanaar | the typos are grey underlines |
| 11:09.52 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 11:09.55 | nevcairiel | now i see them |
| 11:10.21 | nevcairiel | spell checking comments and complaining about wow terms ftl |
| 11:10.28 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 11:10.48 | sylvanaar | yeah, you can actually turn that off also |
| 11:11.02 | sylvanaar | do you have any multiline comments? |
| 11:11.07 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 11:11.10 | nevcairiel | file headers |
| 11:11.12 | sylvanaar | click on one |
| 11:11.19 | nevcairiel | actually, i lied |
| 11:11.27 | nevcairiel | they are multiline, but not using the multiline token |
| 11:11.34 | sylvanaar | yeah, perfect |
| 11:11.38 | sylvanaar | click on the first line |
| 11:11.55 | amro | sylvanaar: how does creating a project around existing sources work? |
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| 11:12.18 | nevcairiel | I just created the project in a directory with sources, and it picked them up |
| 11:12.27 | sylvanaar | ^ |
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| 11:12.56 | nevcairiel | what do i do with that comment now? |
| 11:13.14 | sylvanaar | click on the left most section of it |
| 11:13.21 | sylvanaar | top left |
| 11:13.28 | sylvanaar | you should see a light bulb |
| 11:13.46 | nevcairiel | hey, thats cool, it worked |
| 11:14.14 | nevcairiel | although the reverse isn't as clean as i hoped, but hey |
| 11:14.36 | sylvanaar | yeah, i havent gotten the reverse working perfectly |
| 11:14.50 | sylvanaar | due to spacings after the -- |
| 11:15.17 | nevcairiel | yeah exactly |
| 11:15.37 | nevcairiel | the automagic syntax checking could come in handy, i should use this for a while |
| 11:16.04 | sylvanaar | yeah, let me know what features would be most useful |
| 11:16.55 | nevcairiel | does it have auto completion? |
| 11:17.59 | nevcairiel | from hitting shift-space it looks like it has, but a limited list of functions in it |
| 11:18.09 | sylvanaar | yeah, its pretty limited |
| 11:18.42 | sylvanaar | i havent spent alot of time on autocompletion |
| 11:19.15 | nevcairiel | I got so used to it working with Java all the time |
| 11:19.24 | sylvanaar | yeah, i know |
| 11:19.25 | nevcairiel | but i guess its alot easier on a strictly typed language |
| 11:19.37 | amro | yeah |
| 11:19.48 | amro | I miss my tools from kdevelop :( |
| 11:19.52 | nevcairiel | like, how the hell would itk now what members are in this table i'm trying to autocomplete |
| 11:19.59 | sylvanaar | yeah, its actually pretty difficult in lua |
| 11:20.37 | sylvanaar | one way to know is to run the code |
| 11:21.00 | sylvanaar | but thats not usually pratical |
| 11:21.14 | nevcairiel | assuming the tabel doesnt come from some other file, or even addon, or something |
| 11:21.17 | nevcairiel | or framexml |
| 11:21.22 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 11:21.44 | sylvanaar | that's why i have been saving this part for version 0.9 lol |
| 11:21.52 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:22.50 | sylvanaar | most of the reference resolution is correct now - so I can start working on refactorings like "rename" etc. |
| 11:23.41 | sylvanaar | for locals |
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| 11:25.11 | Fisker | me angry |
| 11:25.12 | Fisker | me smash |
| 11:25.17 | sylvanaar | well, im glad you like it - if you encounter an error, there's a submit error button on the error dialog, that will send the stacktrace to my bug tracker |
| 11:27.00 | sylvanaar | i have to afk for a little bit to take care of some family stuff |
| 11:28.07 | amro | sylvanaar: I don't get an error dialog |
| 11:28.21 | amro | it just minimizes and I get the trace in console |
| 11:28.58 | Fisker | http://www.droid-life.com/2010/09/24/android-market-adding-paid-app-support-to-additional-countries-over-next-few-weeks/ <- MOOOOOOOOOOOAR |
| 11:30.00 | haste | old news! |
| 11:30.28 | haste | but maybe not if you dont have a android market accuont :P |
| 11:31.11 | mikma | foxlit: yeah, boattrick worked |
| 11:35.54 | Fisker | do you know what countries they are haste ? |
| 11:44.43 | Fisker | i hate you haste |
| 11:51.02 | nichdu | i spent one hour looking for the bug in my addon which causes it not to load |
| 11:51.14 | nichdu | i just forgot to add the file in the toc-file :( |
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| 11:52.54 | haste | Fisker: nope =/ |
| 11:54.10 | Fisker | i do hate you |
| 11:56.05 | cbreak | nichdu: for the future, a good way to find out if a file is actually read if you suspect it is not, is to insert a fatal error, like a syntax error, and then look in the logs for it |
| 11:56.43 | nichdu | ya, should do that next time |
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| 12:21.00 | LebQzz | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnMouseWheel |
| 12:22.00 | LebQzz | is there a way to do a if statement insit that funtion.. if delta is -1 the frame:ScrollDown() , if delta is 1 then ScrollUp() |
| 12:22.29 | nevcairiel | Of course |
| 12:22.37 | LebQzz | i cant get it to work |
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| 12:22.49 | LebQzz | must be something really stupid I'm doing |
| 12:22.54 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 12:23.11 | nevcairiel | did you verify that your function is actually getting called? |
| 12:23.15 | nevcairiel | with a print or something |
| 12:23.41 | LebQzz | just did that now.. nothing so far.. hmmz |
| 12:24.08 | LebQzz | gl_new:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", gl_new_b(delta)) |
| 12:24.24 | LebQzz | function gl_new_b(delta) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(delta) end |
| 12:25.22 | nevcairiel | there are so many things wrong with that snippet |
| 12:25.35 | haste | first being that it will run the function |
| 12:25.40 | haste | which means your setting it to nil |
| 12:25.42 | haste | not the function |
| 12:25.43 | LebQzz | put them reverse |
| 12:26.01 | nevcairiel | 1. Declare function before using it |
| 12:26.08 | nevcairiel | 2. Don't call the function in the setscript |
| 12:26.18 | nevcairiel | 3. Event handlers get the "self" as the first argument |
| 12:26.38 | nevcairiel | You even linked that wowprogramming reference there, which shows the argument list =) |
| 12:27.48 | LebQzz | 1. they are reversed |
| 12:27.58 | LebQzz | 2. the script itself calls functions |
| 12:28.23 | LebQzz | wbdbtest:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", function(self, delta) |
| 12:28.27 | LebQzz | thats what it does there |
| 12:28.38 | nevcairiel | it declares a new function, it doesnt call it |
| 12:30.09 | cbreak | declaring functions in Lua? ha... :) |
| 12:30.18 | cbreak | no need to do that |
| 12:30.43 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: i got some assertion errors in the editor |
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| 12:33.31 | LebQzz | test:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", function(self, delta) end) how would you do an double if statement in there |
| 12:33.43 | LebQzz | cause when I inserted one. it didnt do anything |
| 12:33.44 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: also, if i type an "end" it would be awesome if it automagically reduces indent level by one again =) |
| 12:34.36 | nevcairiel | test:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", function(self, delta) if delta < 0 then self:ScrollDown() else self:ScrollUp() end end) |
| 12:35.13 | nevcairiel | or |
| 12:35.32 | nevcairiel | local function scollHelper = function(self, delta) if delta < 0 then self:ScrollDown() else self:ScrollUp() end end |
| 12:35.41 | nevcairiel | test:SetScript("OnMouseWheel", scrollHelper) |
| 12:36.09 | LebQzz | does delta get passed with the scrollHelper? |
| 12:36.28 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 12:36.42 | cbreak | you don't know what parameters you defined yourself? |
| 12:36.51 | cbreak | you should read your own method definition :) |
| 12:36.58 | nevcairiel | tbh, you should really learn more about Lua as a language before going into UI coding |
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| 12:41.38 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 12:43.23 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html > pil |
| 12:43.31 | cbreak | way more comprehensive |
| 12:44.36 | Cide | comprehensive is not really what you want if you're just getting into lua |
| 12:44.40 | Cide | pil is good enough as it is |
| 12:45.57 | amro | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.30 | nevcairiel | The manual is enough when you're already a programmer |
| 12:46.39 | nevcairiel | I didnt get that vibe from him, tbh |
| 12:47.03 | A-KO | it seems Symantec stepped up their game on AV this year |
| 12:47.06 | LebQzz | <eof> expected near end |
| 12:49.25 | cbreak | stepped up? |
| 12:49.30 | cbreak | they still step? :( |
| 12:49.51 | cbreak | all those anti-virus corps seem to be content selling snake oil ... |
| 12:51.10 | amro | they are |
| 12:51.18 | amro | you missed my rant the other day :P |
| 12:52.34 | A-KO | Don't seem to be to me, but then again, I help run a network of a few thousand machines so...... |
| 12:52.41 | A-KO | any AV that can save my team money and time = good |
| 12:52.54 | Cide | av never saves time |
| 12:53.03 | A-KO | sure does to me |
| 12:53.04 | Cide | backing up and reformatting does |
| 12:53.12 | A-KO | backing up and reformatting takes time--lots of time |
| 12:53.20 | cbreak | just take away +x from anywhere the user can write to |
| 12:53.22 | Cide | so does losing 90% of your cpu output |
| 12:53.23 | Cide | ooooh |
| 12:53.24 | A-KO | in an IT department with only a couple of people (and understaffed) |
| 12:53.37 | cbreak | not backing up takes more time than backing up :) |
| 12:53.38 | nevcairiel | IT is always understaffed |
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| 12:53.56 | A-KO | nevcairiel: we have 1 helpdesk guy for like 400 users :P |
| 12:54.28 | nevcairiel | anyhow, backing up is a given, but not reducing the need for those backups (and restores that come with it) by using some AV is still nice |
| 12:54.40 | nevcairiel | s/not // |
| 12:54.49 | foxlit | This "has disconnected from the lobby" idiocy has to end |
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| 12:55.19 | Flowy | I have set VehicleSeatIndicator:IsUserPlaced to true ... why it dont load the old position? |
| 12:56.38 | Cide | did you write protect the wtf folder? |
| 12:56.47 | mikma | because blizzard's code will overwrite your code at login |
| 12:56.51 | Cide | or is some other piece of code changing the position? |
| 12:57.03 | Flowy | just macro |
| 12:57.09 | Flowy | /run local f=VehicleSeatIndicator; f:EnableMouse(); f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); f:SetMovable(); f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMoving); f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing); f:SetUserPlaced(true); |
| 12:57.22 | mikma | blizzard's code will overwrite your code |
| 12:57.46 | Flowy | can I disable it or overwrite without addon? |
| 12:58.06 | mikma | yes |
| 12:58.13 | mikma | you just need to find how to do it ;) |
| 12:58.33 | Flowy | hmm |
| 12:58.44 | Flowy | but for what is UserPlaced then? |
| 12:59.04 | mikma | for addons |
| 12:59.25 | mikma | if you have addon, use UserPlaced with the frame, the game will save the position and use it as long as you keep the addon loaded |
| 12:59.29 | nevcairiel | imho, its mostly useless |
| 12:59.37 | mikma | if you disable it for once, it will reset back to the original place |
| 12:59.50 | nevcairiel | When the user disables your addon, the game forgets all about your position |
| 13:00.14 | mikma | and for VehicleSeatIndicator.... |
| 13:00.57 | Flowy | hmm this is the reason why some addons resets its position when I disable it ... |
| 13:01.16 | mikma | yes |
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| 13:02.22 | Flowy | mikma: "can I disable it or overwrite without addon?" - disable or overwrite? |
| 13:03.32 | mikma | you can do it without addon, moment |
| 13:07.10 | mikma | flowy: right, try after you have used the setpoint this: local function foo() end; f.SetPoint = foo |
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| 13:12.38 | Flowy | the frame will have just one script on each handler? |
| 13:13.31 | mikma | the what now? |
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| 13:15.21 | Flowy | can I assign more scripts to frame with more f:SetScript? |
| 13:15.28 | amro | yes |
| 13:16.45 | Cide | has anyone used <canvas> here? |
| 13:16.55 | amro | I have |
| 13:17.04 | Cide | I have a 300px x 300px canvas, but context.fillRect(10, 10, 50, 50) doesn't create a square |
| 13:17.15 | amro | what does it do? |
| 13:17.25 | Cide | it creates a rectangle that's maybe 20x50 px |
| 13:17.53 | amro | odd |
| 13:17.54 | amro | pastey? |
| 13:18.07 | Cide | nah, I think I figured it out |
| 13:18.45 | Flowy | how to execute function from string? |
| 13:19.04 | Cide | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 13:19.21 | Flowy | why? |
| 13:19.39 | amro | question is why do it? |
| 13:19.52 | amro | it's unlikely you need to execute arbitrary code at runtime |
| 13:22.06 | Flowy | I saw it in DKP addon |
| 13:22.13 | jnwhiteh | yes, it happens |
| 13:22.25 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't mean it should be happening in most addons that actually use it =) |
| 13:23.44 | Flowy | addon saves function into variable and ask user that he wants or not to execute it |
| 13:24.00 | Cide | save it into a function instead? |
| 13:24.13 | jnwhiteh | We're asking a very direct question |
| 13:24.15 | jnwhiteh | why would you like to do this |
| 13:24.28 | jnwhiteh | there is almost certainly a better way to do it |
| 13:24.35 | jnwhiteh | and we'd be happy to inform you of this alternative |
| 13:24.44 | Flowy | can you please? |
| 13:24.49 | jnwhiteh | dude. |
| 13:24.57 | amro | wow |
| 13:25.01 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:25.12 | jnwhiteh | What net-effect would you likew to have |
| 13:25.16 | jnwhiteh | don't tell us how you want to implement it |
| 13:25.21 | jnwhiteh | just tell us what you want to accomplish |
| 13:25.53 | Fisker | jnwhiteh is pretty awesome |
| 13:26.00 | Cide | indeed |
| 13:26.04 | jnwhiteh | I enjoy helping |
| 13:26.04 | Flowy | same as in dkp ... pattern function that ask user and then execute it |
| 13:26.08 | jnwhiteh | I don't like when people defeat themselves |
| 13:26.19 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: I'm not going to help you if you're not going to answer my questions. |
| 13:26.22 | jnwhiteh | use loadstring() |
| 13:26.25 | jnwhiteh | and have fun fucking everything up |
| 13:26.37 | Cide | you'll kill the wow servers if you do |
| 13:26.42 | amro | why don't people read pil when we tell them to? |
| 13:26.43 | Cide | so think closely before you use it |
| 13:26.44 | haste | I accidently your gear to /dev/null! |
| 13:26.47 | amro | http://www.lua.org/pil/8.html |
| 13:26.51 | jnwhiteh | amro: they don't need to even read PiL |
| 13:27.02 | jnwhiteh | I don't care how much they know about Lua, I'm still willing to help in most cases |
| 13:27.13 | jnwhiteh | I cannot stand when people won't answer clearly worded direct questions. |
| 13:27.30 | Cide | umadman? |
| 13:27.33 | mikma | no more worgen to me |
| 13:27.38 | Flowy | Im making addon that shows rolls in raid |
| 13:27.43 | mikma | unless they fix the racials and zoning |
| 13:27.46 | Cide | you are so bad |
| 13:27.55 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: okay |
| 13:28.07 | Cide | what, on an abstract level, is that you want to accomplish by saving function code into strings and executing them? |
| 13:28.10 | Flowy | and allow master looter to assign this loot to person with button that i make |
| 13:28.10 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: so you show rolls in raid chat. |
| 13:28.23 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: okay, nothing so far out of the ordinary |
| 13:28.44 | amro | lemme get the popcorn |
| 13:28.56 | mikma | cockporn |
| 13:29.21 | amro | you must have me confused with Adys |
| 13:30.55 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: what's next? |
| 13:30.58 | Flowy | now I have problem :/ |
| 13:31.07 | Flowy | right, try after you have used the setpoint this: local function foo() end; f.SetPoint = foo |
| 13:31.10 | Flowy | how to do it |
| 13:31.25 | Flowy | /run local f=VehicleSeatIndicator; local function foo() end; f:EnableMouse(); f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); f:SetMovable(); f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMoving); f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing); f:setScript("OnDragStop", funtion() f.SetPoint = foo; end); |
| 13:31.33 | Flowy | returns error |
| 13:31.38 | jnwhiteh | what errors |
| 13:31.46 | jnwhiteh | don't paste it all here if its more than a line. |
| 13:31.55 | Flowy | its one line |
| 13:31.56 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 13:32.01 | jnwhiteh | you didn't spell function right |
| 13:32.03 | jnwhiteh | and f.SetPoint = foo |
| 13:32.08 | jnwhiteh | does not do what you think it does. |
| 13:32.11 | Flowy | ah :/ |
| 13:32.26 | jnwhiteh | unless you're trying to make a new SetPoint function |
| 13:32.30 | jnwhiteh | something you absolutely don't need to be doing |
| 13:32.40 | jnwhiteh | unless you're trying to stop the frame from ever being moved |
| 13:32.49 | jnwhiteh | in which case, its' dirty, but I suppose it would work. |
| 13:32.58 | Flowy | I want to save frame location over reload |
| 13:32.58 | jnwhiteh | but your issue is the mis-spelling of 'funtion' |
| 13:33.06 | jnwhiteh | which is precisely what the error will tell you. |
| 13:33.12 | jnwhiteh | then you don't need half of that shit. |
| 13:33.19 | jnwhiteh | StopMovingOrSizing() does that |
| 13:33.28 | Flowy | no it doesnt |
| 13:33.33 | jnwhiteh | as long as the frame isn't force-positioned on the next reload |
| 13:33.38 | jnwhiteh | if this is a Blizzard frame |
| 13:33.39 | Cide | it is, by blizzard code, I believe |
| 13:33.43 | Flowy | yes |
| 13:34.07 | jnwhiteh | then save the informatio about where and how you want to anchor the frame, and anchor it when the UI reloads |
| 13:34.09 | jnwhiteh | seems simple enough |
| 13:34.20 | jnwhiteh | a frame has a position (anchor) and a size. |
| 13:34.27 | jnwhiteh | These are trivial to save |
| 13:34.33 | Flowy | I want to do it one time ... with macro |
| 13:34.41 | jnwhiteh | not going to happen |
| 13:34.43 | jnwhiteh | period. |
| 13:35.00 | jnwhiteh | Either you have to run the macro every single time you reload |
| 13:35.05 | jnwhiteh | or you have an addon to do that for you |
| 13:35.19 | jnwhiteh | if you don't mind clicking the macro every time you load, then its still 5 times more complex than it needs to be |
| 13:36.11 | jnwhiteh | (note that none of this even remotely requires executing user-defined functions) |
| 13:36.17 | Flowy | mikma said that it will be done with "local function foo() end; f.SetPoint = foo" |
| 13:36.21 | jnwhiteh | that would be a completely non-sensical and overthough solution to this. |
| 13:36.27 | jnwhiteh | mikma: that's not correct |
| 13:36.37 | jnwhiteh | that's how you stop the frame from being moved during that instance of the user interface |
| 13:36.39 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't persist |
| 13:37.03 | jnwhiteh | I will repeat again, you have two ways to do this: 1. Make a macro that you click every time you load up, 2. Write an addon that does this for you. |
| 13:37.15 | jnwhiteh | I'm not kidding you, I promise. |
| 13:37.30 | Flowy | there is no way to save position of blizzard frame through reload? |
| 13:37.34 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:37.39 | jnwhiteh | as I've said. |
| 13:37.44 | jnwhiteh | they will be re-anchored when the game loads up again |
| 13:37.44 | Flowy | ok :( thanks |
| 13:37.51 | jnwhiteh | you can do one of the two things I've listed |
| 13:38.01 | mikma | hey, i didn't say it would persist :D |
| 13:38.05 | mikma | i jsut said it won't move back |
| 13:38.06 | jnwhiteh | I know you didn't. |
| 13:38.11 | jnwhiteh | it was just misunderstood =) |
| 13:38.13 | mikma | cause, you know, blizzard always moves the frames |
| 13:38.18 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 13:38.28 | mikma | "what? minimap is hidden? move" |
| 13:38.28 | jnwhiteh | we're all with ya =) |
| 13:38.37 | mikma | "what? questtimer? move." |
| 13:39.18 | Cide | your mom is back in town? move. |
| 13:40.02 | Flowy | which of this functions is useless? |
| 13:40.05 | Flowy | /run local f=VehicleSeatIndicator; f:EnableMouse(); f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); f:SetMovable(); f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMoving); f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing); |
| 13:40.07 | Adys | you're in the fire? STAY RIGHT THERE |
| 13:40.15 | jnwhiteh | well why do you need to set it up to drag? |
| 13:40.18 | jnwhiteh | just put it where it needs to be |
| 13:40.30 | Cide | I guess he wants it draggable |
| 13:40.41 | Flowy | just learning |
| 13:40.41 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 13:40.46 | jnwhiteh | none of that is 'useless' I suppose |
| 13:40.47 | mikma | that's what she said? |
| 13:40.48 | haste | I can see how having it daggable would be annoying |
| 13:40.52 | jnwhiteh | it does just what its supposed to do |
| 13:40.57 | haste | at least without locking :P |
| 13:42.02 | Flowy | Im just learning about this ... /run VehicleSeatIndicator:SetPoint("TOPLEFT",UIParent,"TOPLEFT",0,0) already exists |
| 13:42.04 | amro | now that's what she said |
| 13:42.18 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: what do you mean 'already exists' |
| 13:42.23 | amro | 0, 0 isn't necessary |
| 13:42.38 | mikma | VehicleSeatIndicator:ClearAllPoints() |
| 13:42.55 | Flowy | 0 0 is just temporary for later change |
| 13:43.08 | amro | that's also what she said |
| 13:43.19 | Jerub | i'm in a pug |
| 13:43.21 | Jerub | on sindy |
| 13:43.23 | haste | :SetPoint("TOPLEFT",UIParent,"TOPLEFT",0,0) == :SetPoint("TOPLEFT",UIParent,0,0) == :SetPoint("TOPLEFT",UIParent) |
| 13:43.26 | Jerub | on a next-day continuation |
| 13:43.36 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.38 | haste | and if the parent is UIParent already, you can ommit that as well |
| 13:43.50 | Jerub | that's wiped for 2 hours and everyone's being really positive |
| 13:43.51 | jnwhiteh | that clears all current anchor points, and then hard sets a single anchor point on the region |
| 13:43.58 | Jerub | something's wrong |
| 13:44.17 | Flowy | haste default parent is minimap |
| 13:44.29 | Flowy | jnwhiteh why I need to clear all points before setting it? |
| 13:44.42 | jnwhiteh | because otherwise the frame may/will not move |
| 13:45.09 | haste | Flowy: I mentioned it as an extra |
| 13:46.03 | Flowy | jnwhiteh true ... have tried it just now ... it straight the frame throught screen :/ |
| 13:46.29 | Flowy | but your macro works :) thanks |
| 13:46.32 | jnwhiteh | i should probably go take a nap |
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| 13:50.25 | mikma | jnwhiteh: THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES! |
| 13:50.34 | jnwhiteh | but I am le tired! |
| 13:51.25 | mikma | Mekkatorque (EU) is Full |
| 13:52.00 | Cide | then have a nap... |
| 13:58.25 | Flowy | where starts axis for frames? topleft or bottomleft? |
| 14:00.59 | Cide | up and right are positive |
| 14:01.15 | Cide | but (0, 0) is relative to you anchor |
| 14:01.16 | Cide | your |
| 14:03.23 | Flowy | if i anchor to topleft it starts at bottom? |
| 14:04.01 | Flowy | because 50,50 make it move to right and up |
| 14:04.42 | Cide | ... |
| 14:04.47 | Cide | up and right are positive |
| 14:05.05 | Cide | if you anchor it to the topleft then (0, 0) is top left, (50, 50) is 50 px to the right and 50px up from top left |
| 14:05.28 | Flowy | ok |
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| 14:06.07 | Flowy | why Y in coordinates starts at UP? and down is positive? |
| 14:06.54 | Cide | what? |
| 14:07.04 | Cide | in mathematics positive is up |
| 14:07.10 | Flowy | yes |
| 14:07.18 | Cide | computer rendering is very mathematical |
| 14:07.26 | Flowy | but if I have coordinates in wow at 0 0 it is in topleft of map |
| 14:07.33 | Cide | depends on your anchor |
| 14:07.46 | Cide | if you set anchor to bottomleft then 0, 0 is in bottom left |
| 14:07.59 | nevcairiel | Its somewhat confusing at times, when you anchor at certain points, the meaning of the offsets "reverse" (not really, but anyhow) |
| 14:08.34 | amro | 0,0 the bottomleft of the screen and the bottomleft of texture coordinates in 3d APIs |
| 14:09.04 | nevcairiel | when anchoring a frame, 0,0 is the anchor you anchor to |
| 14:09.25 | Flowy | yes but when you raise Y it goes up ... |
| 14:09.39 | amro | exactly |
| 14:09.45 | nevcairiel | yes, because 0,0 is always the bottom-left corner of your virtual coordinate system |
| 14:09.48 | Cide | (16:04:46) Cide: up and right are positive |
| 14:09.54 | Cide | how is that hard to understand? |
| 14:10.08 | Flowy | is there reason why blizzard/wowhead uses for coordinates reverted Y? ... when you got to reise Y in coordinates you have to go down |
| 14:10.08 | |Jelly| | You're blowing my mind, Cide. |
| 14:10.25 | Cide | Flowy: what? |
| 14:10.26 | nevcairiel | the map coordinates are unrelated to how anchoring works |
| 14:10.39 | nevcairiel | maps start at the top left corner, usually |
| 14:10.48 | nevcairiel | not bottom left |
| 14:10.50 | Cide | map coordinates are just a convention that I created |
| 14:10.53 | Cide | blame me |
| 14:11.10 | Cide | well |
| 14:11.17 | Cide | I don't think I did that actually |
| 14:11.34 | Wobin | blames Cide anyway |
| 14:11.41 | Cide | I blame thottbot |
| 14:12.01 | Cide | or thott rather |
| 14:12.05 | nevcairiel | for users it seems more intuitive to start top left then bottom left, anyhow |
| 14:12.07 | nevcairiel | so its all good |
| 14:12.12 | Cide | yep |
| 14:15.12 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 14:19.10 | Jerub | sigh |
| 14:19.11 | Jerub | 3% |
| 14:19.16 | Jerub | was our closest |
| 14:20.17 | Fisker | 3% what? |
| 14:20.36 | Jerub | 3% on sindy |
| 14:20.43 | Jerub | in an icc10 pug |
| 14:20.54 | Fisker | hahahaha |
| 14:21.26 | Jerub | a PUG dammit. |
| 14:21.32 | Jerub | not only that. a pug continuation. |
| 14:21.40 | Jerub | we actually continued the next night. on time. |
| 14:21.47 | Jerub | i think the guysin the pug are forming a guild. |
| 14:21.56 | Fisker | i am making fun of your failure Jerub :( |
| 14:22.15 | Jerub | Fisker: what failure? |
| 14:23.02 | Fisker | 3% |
| 14:23.24 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?r=Dath%27Remar&n=gandridith |
| 14:23.53 | Jerub | that's not updated yet :( |
| 14:24.02 | Jerub | it should show that iv'e also killed VDW |
| 14:24.48 | Fisker | you are a horrible person Jerub |
| 14:24.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2MsDogV4g4 |
| 14:24.55 | Fisker | hope the epics were worth it |
| 14:25.16 | Wobin | Jerub: you -killed- her? =( |
| 14:25.18 | Wobin | fail =P |
| 14:25.31 | Jerub | Wobin: hahahah |
| 14:25.34 | Fisker | that's why i called him a horrible person |
| 14:25.35 | Fisker | :( |
| 14:25.38 | Jerub | Wobin: whoops |
| 14:25.45 | Jerub | Wobin: healed her |
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| 14:33.43 | Jerub | okay. |
| 14:33.46 | Jerub | well, i'm happy |
| 14:33.58 | Jerub | killed LK for first time today, plus got my mage into icc for first time |
| 14:35.31 | Mikk | i've had the most awesome pug experience this year |
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| 14:35.41 | Mikk | bunch of people all from different guilds |
| 14:35.43 | Mikk | start raiding at midnight |
| 14:35.48 | Mikk | with alts |
| 14:36.09 | nevcairiel | we have been doing this for a while, just not so much pug'ish |
| 14:36.21 | Mikk | same people keep grouping at midnight for several weeks |
| 14:36.30 | Mikk | before we knew it, we had done 11/12 hc 10man :P |
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| 14:56.12 | Fisker | why is everything so boring ckknight ? |
| 14:56.25 | ckknight | Fisker: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8ompdhCMc1qaznapo1_250.gif |
| 14:58.45 | haste | too low resolution! |
| 15:01.21 | Fisker | nothankyou.jpg ck |
| 15:01.23 | Fisker | ckknight |
| 15:04.30 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 15:05.54 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 15:05.56 | Cide | Shirik: pingpingping |
| 15:05.57 | Fisker | you are a bad person |
| 15:05.58 | Cide | hi Fisker |
| 15:05.59 | Cide | why? |
| 15:07.40 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 15:11.56 | Cide | oh ok |
| 15:14.09 | jnwhiteh | Gah, I have no will to work on addons right now. |
| 15:18.03 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: faster, cheaper, harder! |
| 15:18.11 | jnwhiteh | :P |
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| 15:31.17 | mikma | jnwhiteh: heh, i created EnemyScanner Cataclysm -version hours ago ^^ |
| 15:31.25 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 15:31.30 | jnwhiteh | I'm working hard on Clique |
| 15:31.36 | jnwhiteh | so much shit that needs to get done |
| 15:31.41 | mikma | oh i can help you with that! |
| 15:31.46 | jnwhiteh | if anyone gives a shit, shoot me an email and I'll try to bounce some ideas off you |
| 15:31.50 | mikma | Message: [string "*:OnTextChanged"]:1: ']' expected near ')' |
| 15:31.51 | mikma | Time: 09/26/10 18:31:44 |
| 15:31.53 | jnwhiteh | particularly about defaults and UI. |
| 15:31.53 | mikma | hehehee |
| 15:31.56 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I don't care about that |
| 15:32.01 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:32.06 | mikma | <3 |
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| 15:45.30 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:45.36 | jnwhiteh | what versioning scheme do people use these days? |
| 15:46.33 | zenzelezz | for what? |
| 15:46.42 | jnwhiteh | i'm just thinking out loud, ignore me =) |
| 15:46.49 | zenzelezz | if you mean games, they like to use different numbering schemes for each gam |
| 15:46.50 | zenzelezz | +e |
| 15:46.58 | jnwhiteh | I mean for my addons |
| 15:47.15 | zenzelezz | roman numbers! |
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| 15:53.57 | mikma | jnwhiteh: well, first versions of my addons are under number "1". if i change them, they are then "1.1", "1.2".. etc. if i rewrite them, they are "2". if i change the rewrite, "2.1".. etc. ;) |
| 15:55.45 | olafski | what's wrong with the clique UI? :( |
| 15:56.33 | mikma | thrae: oh crap! TinyTip doesn't work perfectly in cata!!!11 |
| 15:56.45 | olafski | :( I need that |
| 15:56.55 | zenzelezz | if I ever write something successful, I'll number it in base five; so people get confused as the apparent version number skips |
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| 16:04.43 | cbreak | there-s just one sane version numbering scheme |
| 16:04.56 | Thunder_Child | there is a standardized system |
| 16:05.17 | cbreak | git describe |
| 16:06.16 | amro | binary would be far more fun |
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| 16:10.56 | Adys | ahahahahah |
| 16:10.57 | Adys | AHAHAHAHAH |
| 16:10.58 | Adys | amro |
| 16:11.02 | Cide | base pi |
| 16:11.09 | Adys | [16:58:31] <duffydack> ooo fglrx now works.. yipee |
| 16:11.09 | Adys | [17:03:31] <m4rtin> duffydack: what was broken with it? |
| 16:11.14 | Adys | OH HO HO |
| 16:11.16 | Cide | actually |
| 16:11.20 | Cide | base i is even better |
| 16:11.53 | nevcairiel | Adys: the first is funny enough already |
| 16:11.55 | Cide | doesn't quite work sadly |
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| 16:21.48 | Kraps | lucy is such a bitch http://comics.com/peanuts/2010-09-26/ |
| 16:25.59 | amro | Adys: that's the first time I hear that |
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| 16:31.16 | zenzelezz | it's... beautiful: http://i.imgur.com/D3E8M.jpg |
| 16:33.54 | Cide | conveyor belt |
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| 16:36.07 | Fisker | Cide i'm sick :( |
| 16:36.16 | ckknight | that is cool, zenzelezz |
| 16:36.56 | Fisker | ours is much better |
| 16:37.02 | ckknight | Kraps: Lucy just needs a shank in the side of her neck, that'll teach her |
| 16:37.15 | Fisker | btw ckknight |
| 16:37.25 | Fisker | Ackis said you should name your firstborn Jed I. Knight |
| 16:37.40 | ckknight | old. |
| 16:37.48 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:37.51 | Fisker | but you should |
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| 16:40.35 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you are always sick |
| 16:40.42 | Thunder_Child | and i'm not even talking about in the head |
| 16:42.15 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 16:42.18 | Fisker | you are a jerk :( |
| 16:42.26 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: impressive, but tracing a cable must be a stone bitch |
| 16:42.30 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: i know |
| 16:42.33 | Fisker | hello |
| 16:42.55 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: probably |
| 16:44.07 | Fisker | omg false advertising |
| 16:44.43 | Fisker | the 3d model viewer on iphone looks like it has actual 3d |
| 16:44.45 | Fisker | but it doesn't! |
| 16:45.10 | amro | irrelevant |
| 16:45.41 | zenzelezz | "A popular myth regarding human sexuality is that men think about sex every seven seconds. In reality, there is no scientific way of measuring such a thing and, as far as researchers can tell, this statistic greatly exaggerates the frequency of sexual thoughts.[79][80][81]" - darn, there goes my excuse |
| 16:46.02 | Cide | the fuck |
| 16:46.05 | Cide | ^ case in point zenzelezz |
| 16:46.19 | zenzelezz | :-P |
| 16:46.37 | Fisker | if i don't think about sex every seven seconds i start to develop a brain tumor which gives me a giant headache |
| 16:50.15 | Thunder_Child | actually, i think there is a scientific way of measuring that now. |
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| 16:56.06 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2019-Videogame-Music |
| 16:56.13 | p3lim | Getting error 132 alot on cata beta :/ |
| 16:56.19 | p3lim | every time I log in almost |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | I wish error 132 didn't exist |
| 16:57.18 | Kraps | get rid of 404 first |
| 16:57.26 | Fisker | i want a 64-bit clietn Shirik |
| 16:57.28 | Fisker | client |
| 16:57.37 | Shirik | error 132 is so stupid |
| 16:57.43 | Shirik | it's just as bad as "program broke" |
| 17:01.24 | mikma | so, i was in quque for 2,5 hours |
| 17:01.52 | mikma | then it popped up, 2 dps were afk |
| 17:02.15 | mikma | after that it popped up instantly, i pressed yes, and game crashed |
| 17:02.20 | mikma | byebye queue |
| 17:02.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:02.42 | Fisker | 64-bit client |
| 17:02.43 | Fisker | pl0x |
| 17:03.31 | cbreak | what I want more than a 64bit client is a multi-core capable client |
| 17:03.47 | cbreak | blizzard's games barely use 25% of my cores, usually only 12.5% :( |
| 17:04.05 | zenzelezz | and a built-in SETI/Folding@Home! |
| 17:04.14 | zenzelezz | really work those cores |
| 17:04.33 | cbreak | I can download that if I want it |
| 17:04.43 | foxlit | p3lim: doesn't seem to happen much to me. |
| 17:04.47 | Fisker | cbreak perhaps but 64-bit client is easier |
| 17:04.53 | cbreak | indeed |
| 17:04.58 | Fisker | btw |
| 17:05.03 | cbreak | just a compiler flags and a bit of bug fixing |
| 17:05.07 | cbreak | (if they wrote their engine clean |
| 17:05.08 | Fisker | with ZG gone have they talked about what they're doing with the mounts? |
| 17:05.18 | cbreak | ZG gone? |
| 17:05.20 | cbreak | what happens to it? |
| 17:05.22 | A-KO | Fisker: likely gone |
| 17:05.26 | Fisker | it's removed in Cataclysm |
| 17:05.27 | A-KO | cbreak: the yremoved it as an instance |
| 17:05.31 | A-KO | it's now just open world area |
| 17:05.34 | cbreak | oh |
| 17:05.36 | cbreak | lame |
| 17:05.36 | A-KO | nothing in it yet afaict |
| 17:05.42 | Fisker | probably because they couldn't be arsed to figure out the outside are/instance thing |
| 17:05.44 | cbreak | It was the place where I wrote my first addon for |
| 17:05.48 | cbreak | oh the memories |
| 17:05.58 | Fisker | area* |
| 17:06.03 | Fisker | anyway cbreak |
| 17:06.17 | Fisker | i've heard on the internets that some people have modified the binary to be flagged large address aware |
| 17:06.23 | Fisker | and it worked fine apparently :o |
| 17:06.26 | zenzelezz | what did it do? |
| 17:06.38 | zenzelezz | "You have the disease, hearth to Ironforge now!"? |
| 17:06.39 | cbreak | I don't think wow uses more than 3gb of memory |
| 17:06.51 | cbreak | zenzelezz: no, but it was for the last boss |
| 17:06.57 | cbreak | I don't remember what it did anymore |
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| 17:07.18 | cbreak | but it had some special chat triggers that told people to trade me for water... too trigger happy triggers... |
| 17:07.26 | cbreak | the raid abused them so much... it was fun |
| 17:07.37 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: do you mean as you type "end" it moves the indent of what you have already typed? |
| 17:09.04 | SqueeG | is there a way to check whether 'everything' in a table is true/greater than one/not nil, and based on whether they're all true or not, run something? |
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| 17:09.30 | A-KO | flagging wow as large address aware is pointless IMO |
| 17:09.35 | A-KO | unless they intend to do more with it... |
| 17:10.29 | zenzelezz | I wonder if memory swapping is much of a trouble for WoW on the average >2GB RAM computer |
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| 17:10.49 | Dagmar | It's not for mine at 4Gb |
| 17:11.44 | cbreak | I have no performance problems with WoW, but I do with SC2 |
| 17:12.10 | zenzelezz | yeah, SC2 seemed to tax my computer more than WoW does |
| 17:12.12 | cbreak | the last patch broke something so while it formerly worked perfectly at medium settings and sort of okish at higher than medium, now it only works at the lowest of low |
| 17:12.30 | cbreak | it's probably partially since the shaders are not optimised for OpenGL and my not newest hardware |
| 17:12.32 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: thats not a bad idea though its certainly easier in java when the end of block is a single character |
| 17:12.54 | cbreak | but there's some stupid leak in the code that requires me to restart the game every few matches and worse |
| 17:13.59 | olafski | nice video kraps ;) |
| 17:14.51 | Fisker | should i upgrade to 24GB memory? |
| 17:14.59 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 17:15.04 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 17:15.04 | cbreak | what is your use case? |
| 17:15.09 | cbreak | I am quite happy with 6gb |
| 17:15.22 | sylvanaar | 6G has been plenty |
| 17:15.26 | cbreak | although, firefox uses a ton of memory... |
| 17:15.31 | Thunder_Child | you can make whatever you dont use for a ramdisk |
| 17:15.34 | cbreak | and freenet as well |
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| 17:15.44 | cbreak | OS X uses free memory for HD caches |
| 17:15.48 | cbreak | I assume windows does the same |
| 17:15.54 | Fisker | something like that |
| 17:15.54 | sylvanaar | get an ssd |
| 17:16.00 | cbreak | but I did try a RAM disk :) |
| 17:16.03 | cbreak | it's _fast_ |
| 17:16.07 | Thunder_Child | yes, but an ssd can only be used for an ssd |
| 17:16.16 | Thunder_Child | s/an/a/ |
| 17:16.30 | sylvanaar | but thats all it needs to be used for |
| 17:16.40 | sylvanaar | you dont need the extra caching |
| 17:16.41 | cbreak | I considered using an SSD as boot volume |
| 17:16.55 | cbreak | but those things are expensive |
| 17:17.20 | sylvanaar | also, its difficult to keep 6 sticks of ram stable |
| 17:17.38 | sylvanaar | well - more difficult than just getting an ssd |
| 17:17.49 | cbreak | stable? |
| 17:17.58 | cbreak | I only have 4 sticks for 6gb too |
| 17:18.08 | cbreak | and still 4 slots left, so upgrades are a possibility :) |
| 17:18.16 | cbreak | (no stability problems either) |
| 17:18.17 | Kraps | olafski: funnest episode |
| 17:18.17 | sylvanaar | im saying 6 sticks for 24 |
| 17:18.17 | Thunder_Child | i have 3 for 6 |
| 17:18.31 | cbreak | DDR3? |
| 17:18.32 | sylvanaar | or 6 sticks for 13 |
| 17:18.34 | sylvanaar | 12 |
| 17:18.39 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 17:18.45 | sylvanaar | 4 sticks is easy to keep stable |
| 17:18.53 | cbreak | I am with DDR2 800 MHz |
| 17:18.56 | cbreak | no problems at all |
| 17:19.02 | sylvanaar | because its only double channel |
| 17:19.09 | cbreak | No EEC errors either |
| 17:19.23 | sylvanaar | when you get to triple channel its more difficult |
| 17:19.34 | cbreak | what do you mean with difficult? |
| 17:19.45 | cbreak | it's not like you have to periodically reseat the memory or something... |
| 17:19.55 | sylvanaar | voltages |
| 17:20.08 | cbreak | oh, PSU problems? |
| 17:20.21 | sylvanaar | not the PSU exactly - the memory controller |
| 17:20.30 | cbreak | slap the motherboard manufacturer if it doesn't work then |
| 17:21.23 | sylvanaar | i have a top of the line mobo, even the ram manufacturer said at the time i built my pc that 6xsticks of ram was difficult |
| 17:21.51 | sylvanaar | that was last year - maybe its easier now |
| 17:22.07 | cbreak | my computer has 8 slots and is rated for it, and it's 2.5 years old already |
| 17:22.33 | sylvanaar | yeah, but like i said double channel ram is easier to handle |
| 17:22.44 | Dagmar | sylvanaar is right |
| 17:22.45 | cbreak | DDR3 is newer than my machine |
| 17:22.56 | cbreak | so newer is not always better I guess :) |
| 17:23.59 | Dagmar | We've got a lot of "big iron" at work, some of which have just an excessive number of slots for RAM. The amount of trouble that causes is huge |
| 17:25.00 | cbreak | my machine requires server grade memory, maybe that helped too... |
| 17:25.26 | Dagmar | It's not just voltage that's an issue. Manufs like IBM have _some_ advantage in being able to absolutely demand they get completely, wholly identical sticks in groups of sixteen (as in, way more than "2Gbx2" pairs)... |
| 17:26.14 | Fisker | my motherboard had a neat issue |
| 17:26.20 | Dagmar | ...but there's still the issue of timing and the more sticks involved the greater the chance that _one_ of them's not going to be ready in time |
| 17:26.26 | Fisker | when all slots were populated the machine ran like shit |
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| 17:27.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.12 | Dagmar | s/"/*/g |
| 17:28.23 | cbreak | just blame microsoft. |
| 17:28.27 | Dagmar | drinks more coffee |
| 17:28.34 | Dagmar | Yeah but that gets old after awhile |
| 17:28.37 | cbreak | :( |
| 17:33.53 | Shirik | best warning ever |
| 17:33.58 | Shirik | poa_impl.cc(2355): warning C4101: 'sex' : unreferenced local variable [C:\Users\Administrator\BuildService\Repo\comms\DevTools\mico\mico.vcxproj] |
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| 17:34.27 | Kraps | sex |
| 17:34.32 | Shirik | it doesn't get enough |
| 17:34.33 | Kraps | sexleg? |
| 17:34.42 | amro | why is that running with admin privileges? |
| 17:34.46 | Shirik | it's not |
| 17:35.01 | Shirik | that just happens to be where it's put |
| 17:37.54 | Fisker | http://www.anandtech.com/show/3929/intel-announces-tunnel-creek-atom-e600-system-on-chip <-do i want this Shirik ? |
| 17:38.23 | Shirik | do you need an embedded system? |
| 17:39.42 | Fisker | do i? |
| 17:39.51 | cbreak | yes! |
| 17:39.59 | cbreak | for your autonomous spy bot |
| 17:40.18 | foxlit | failnet |
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| 17:42.18 | Kraps | skynets retarded brother? |
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| 17:47.23 | p3lim | is it possible to force the dump from Blizzard_DebugTools to go in a custom frame instead of the chatframe? |
| 17:49.24 | foxlit | no. |
| 17:49.33 | foxlit | It'll always print to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME. |
| 17:49.40 | Shirik | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME = ? |
| 17:49.46 | foxlit | <allcaps>And there's nothing you can do about that</allcaps> |
| 17:49.48 | p3lim | id rather print it in a custom frame |
| 17:50.52 | p3lim | but rewriting the whole thing just for that aint something id want |
| 17:51.06 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/live/go/DevTools_RunDump might help |
| 17:51.44 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no, it's the skynet buit by 4chan |
| 17:51.54 | Kraps | lul |
| 17:52.07 | p3lim | foxlit: I'm looking at that right now |
| 17:52.28 | p3lim | most if it is local, so I can't edit much of it without rewriting |
| 17:53.00 | p3lim | specifically the local function WriteMessage() |
| 17:53.22 | foxlit | note that the linked function doesn't call WriteMessage. |
| 17:53.26 | foxlit | It calls context:Write |
| 17:53.30 | p3lim | Yeah |
| 17:53.52 | Kraps | they changed chakra |
| 17:53.59 | p3lim | I'd have to rewrite a few functions |
| 17:54.02 | Kraps | its activated now |
| 17:54.09 | p3lim | and locals used in those functions |
| 17:54.19 | p3lim | unless I've missed something |
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| 18:00.04 | olafski | http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=74820 :D |
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| 18:02.07 | Thunder_Child | i love messing with people |
| 18:02.42 | TC-Work | me too |
| 18:04.24 | p3lim | I tried this: local o = DevTools_RunDump; function DevTools_RunDump(value, context) context.Write = InsertCustomFunctionToWrite; o(value, context) end |
| 18:04.31 | p3lim | but that didnt work well |
| 18:06.04 | Kraps | olafski: europe has the most fucked up ads |
| 18:06.10 | olafski | :) |
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| 18:06.36 | olafski | not sure an ad like that would fly here.. I've certainly never seen one like it |
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| 18:06.53 | olafski | that loud energy drink ad was nice too, also german |
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| 18:09.41 | Kraps | new trailer for harry potter |
| 18:09.45 | Kraps | winwin |
| 18:11.01 | Fisker | harry potter sucks |
| 18:11.20 | Kraps | no but your mom does |
| 18:11.40 | Fisker | why do you hate the truth so much Kraps ? |
| 18:12.01 | p3lim | ~seen Iriel |
| 18:12.14 | purl | iriel is currently on #wowprogramming (5m 22s) #wowuidev (5m 22s), last said: 'Shirik: strings + grep == your friend'. |
| 18:12.14 | Iriel | I'm RIGHT HERE! |
| 18:12.19 | Kraps | i disagree Fisker |
| 18:12.32 | p3lim | Iriel: I PM'd you |
| 18:18.46 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:18.49 | Fisker | my stomach hurts |
| 18:18.53 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
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| 18:19.35 | Kraps | Fisker |
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| 18:29.04 | Amarande | soooo ... still in the WoW news in the launcher, "Brewfest is Here" |
| 18:29.12 | Amarande | Gee thanks Blizzard ... some of us would like to forget that now kthx. :) |
| 18:29.49 | Amarande | isn't looking forward to another week of VOA groups that fall apart and have to go back to Dalaran for tons of replacements right when we get to the instance. :S |
| 18:31.06 | Amarande | Not to mention this weekend, we had to run ICC25 a couple men short (and give up on the HM tries the RL wanted to do besides Gunship) and had to completely call the ICC10 alts fun run because of ... BREWFEST. |
| 18:31.08 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 18:31.16 | Amarande | they just better fix this sort of issue before HH. |
| 18:31.40 | Dagmar | Alternatively, the people on your server could stop being idiots. |
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| 18:32.11 | Kraps | really, a few dailies put raiding on hold? |
| 18:32.26 | Dagmar | queue pop time for that thing is like <1m. If you queue for it while you're doing something else more important and pop out of the raid you're joining, you're both an asshole *and* a moron |
| 18:32.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's not people dropping out of raid for Coren |
| 18:33.02 | Amarande | it's that Coren isn't being limited like other instances, but IS being counted towards the instance limit timer if you go somewhere else after |
| 18:33.04 | Dagmar | No, it's noobs having run out their instances per hour allowment? |
| 18:33.12 | Amarande | so people run Coren, and then join a raid PUG, and then can't zone in |
| 18:33.32 | Dagmar | Yep. Noobs. |
| 18:33.34 | Amarande | and most of these people don't even know that's why until someone else who knows already explains it to them |
| 18:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | So, noobs. |
| 18:33.50 | Dagmar | ...because they should have run Coren like that days ago |
| 18:34.12 | Fisker | Amarande |
| 18:34.13 | Fisker | you jerk |
| 18:34.36 | Dagmar | o lewk minecraft.net is down |
| 18:34.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: some of them understood the instances per hour thing apparently but didn't realize (in fact, I'm not sure even I recalled this off the top of my head until Friday when I was sitting in ICC on the warlock waiting for people who never made it in) that it's *account* and not character based |
| 18:34.56 | Amarande | so you'd have people running friends through Coren over and over on their main and then trying to do a raid on their alt and of course no go |
| 18:34.59 | Kraps | doesnt get minecraft |
| 18:35.10 | Kraps | its 8bit |
| 18:35.14 | Amarande | Friday's ICC10 *WAS* to be an alts run, after all. |
| 18:35.17 | Kraps | hurts my eyes |
| 18:35.18 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's like legos that some of which can asplode |
| 18:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | what does its color depth have anything to do with it? |
| 18:35.29 | Fisker | (What's even worse, unless they fixed it, is that it's your battle.net account now instead of your wow account) |
| 18:35.48 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: He's talking about the look, I suspect |
| 18:35.48 | Kraps | hurts my eyes |
| 18:35.57 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:36.06 | Iriel | It's not really 8 bit anyway, it's just got "old school" stylings, highly pixelated look. |
| 18:36.23 | Dagmar | Feel free to edit the jar and double the res on the graphics if you like |
| 18:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | so, you're saying you're totally superficial, unable to see good gameplay past an "under $10 million visual effects budget" |
| 18:36.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 18:36.27 | Iriel | I have to say if i've been doing anything else, it takes a while for it to look 'natural' and not awkward again |
| 18:37.10 | Fisker | i also don't get why it's instance joining instead of just instance creation |
| 18:37.11 | Dagmar | I'm finally getting around to cracking my knuckles and trying a map editor, the one of which working for alpha is astonishingly buggy |
| 18:37.20 | Fisker | it's not* |
| 18:37.21 | Iriel | BUt when you're standing on top of a mountain surveying the landscape in the distance, flecked with pinpoints of lights from your navigation torches, the fact a tree is made of blocks is sort of irrelevant |
| 18:37.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: also FWIW, the VOA runs I was in where we had to go back for a bunch more because of that bug were on Tuesday, so still pretty early in Brewfest :) |
| 18:37.35 | Dagmar | It's been awhile since I've seen something where you can only turn your view _counter-clockwise_ half the time |
| 18:37.58 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: idk, cant be arsed to try it |
| 18:38.08 | NightHawkTheSane | so, like i said, then. |
| 18:38.12 | Dagmar | Iriel: Better than nav torches... I finally came up with something to do with all that damn *gravel* |
| 18:38.18 | Amarande | And I can understand a lot of people being bugged actually, especially anyone with an up and coming tank because apparently the Brewmaiden trinkets are BiS for a very long time into raid progression (someone said till ICC/Frost badge gear, basically) |
| 18:38.24 | Iriel | Dagmar: Gravel's so UGLY |
| 18:38.36 | Iriel | We shouldbe able to mix it with sand and make cement/concrete |
| 18:38.43 | Dagmar | Yes, but it makes for damn fine walking paths |
| 18:38.59 | Dagmar | Iriel: This is where obfuscated/decompiled code sucks just a bit |
| 18:39.06 | Iriel | Yes indeed |
| 18:39.17 | Dagmar | By the way, there's an improved grass hack that will probably get put into the client |
| 18:39.27 | Dagmar | No more mudstep terraces |
| 18:39.31 | Amarande | Remember: Not everyone knows or recalls that the instance limit is per account, not character. And the raids I was speaking of were PUGs except for the ICC25 (and there we only had a couple folks who couldn't get in IIRC, but that was enough to scotch non-Gunship HM attempts) |
| 18:39.36 | Iriel | But I feel that modding is (currently) not in the spirit of the author, though if you know otherwise let me know |
| 18:39.49 | Dagmar | Notch appears to be cool with minor stuff like that |
| 18:40.08 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: do you hate me? :( |
| 18:40.13 | Dagmar | ...and seriously, getting rid of brown on the side of the cubes that have grass just below them... looks much better |
| 18:40.27 | Amarande | Although I'm pretty sure the bosses that gave me gear upgrades this time around weren't ones we were planning on HM for :) |
| 18:40.29 | Iriel | I did decompile the server to figure out what its options were |
| 18:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, this is too dumb to hate over. I certainly don't respect your opinion, even slightly, though. |
| 18:40.45 | Dagmar | I'm still unraveling parts of the client |
| 18:40.52 | Iriel | But when I noticed it had been deliberately obfuscated I decided I'd leave it be, for now |
| 18:40.56 | Dagmar | this would be a complete frelling nightmare without an IDE |
| 18:41.02 | Kraps | no problem :p |
| 18:41.04 | Amarande | what did I get gear upgrades from ... Saurfang, LDW, and Festergut, if I remember. Three of the more ... *fun* HMs if we'd attempted? (Yeah, I'm being sarcastic) |
| 18:41.32 | Dagmar | Iriel: I'm guessing that's mainly to make it so some nine-year old can't come along, rip out his auth system, and start handing out "free" copies |
| 18:41.49 | Amarande | NOBODY, literally NOBODY seems to ever want to attempt Deathbringer on HM. Even people who might consider going for Light of Dawn seem to quail at attempting Deathbringer on HM. :) |
| 18:42.01 | Shirik | Cide, how do I like make an upvalue |
| 18:42.06 | Shirik | I want to do something like |
| 18:42.07 | Amarande | is suspecting that might be exactly what he brings on HM. :) |
| 18:42.08 | Shirik | orb = Nothing; |
| 18:42.08 | Shirik | if __name__ == '__main__': |
| 18:42.08 | Shirik | orb = CORBA.ORB_init(sys.argv, CORBA.ORB_ID) |
| 18:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: use like more. |
| 18:42.20 | Iriel | CORBA??? **Shudder** |
| 18:42.33 | Shirik | what's wrong with CORBA? |
| 18:42.40 | Amarande | Shirik: ok, there are things that are more taxing on the brain than Deathbringer or even Sindy on HM, I guess. |
| 18:42.44 | Amarande | sounds like CORBA's one of them ;) |
| 18:42.52 | Iriel | About 10 years? |
| 18:42.53 | Shirik | CORBA's not that bad |
| 18:43.15 | Iriel | It's not a bad idea, it just felt like somehting designed by a far too large committee |
| 18:43.17 | Amarande | anyway, back to stuff that isn't QQ about brewfest |
| 18:43.24 | Iriel | (Sort of like early J2EE) |
| 18:43.33 | Shirik | if you really want to be scared |
| 18:43.35 | Amarande | those of you in better know about 4.0/Cata than I: |
| 18:43.37 | Dagmar | Iriel: This biome thing Notch has been messing with shows promise |
| 18:43.40 | Shirik | we're making one system written in about 4 different languages |
| 18:43.50 | Amarande | 1) are the dungeon keys in fact all going away, and 2) if so, what's the requirement for heroic on BC dungeons other than MgT? |
| 18:43.52 | Dagmar | Iriel: We may have _partially_ snowy worlds very soon |
| 18:43.57 | Shirik | C#, C++, Python, and (/cry) VB |
| 18:44.01 | Iriel | Dagmar: It smells very much like the dwarf fortress world gen |
| 18:44.33 | Iriel | Minecraft as a dwarf fortress first person UI is an intriguing thought |
| 18:44.39 | Iriel | "Fortress explorer" or something |
| 18:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | if by intriguing, you mean scary, and awesome.. sure ;) |
| 18:44.53 | Dagmar | Doesn't seem like anything (other than igloos) you could make with snow wouldn't just unbalance everything when snow falls bloody everywhere |
| 18:45.28 | Dagmar | Iriel: Yes, all I need is a bunch of loot-hungry dwarves holing up the place |
| 18:45.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: do WoW items unbalance everything when the mats become widely available? :) |
| 18:45.43 | Iriel | They'r more booze hungry (thirsty) than anything else |
| 18:45.45 | nevcairiel | Shirik: actually, i dont think if statements create their own variable scope |
| 18:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | A certain amount of programmable AI probably wouldn't be terribly difficult.... |
| 18:45.53 | Dagmar | GOd... SO disappointed last night when I found out liquids basically "don't work" in MP |
| 18:45.59 | Shirik | really? |
| 18:46.08 | Amarande | oh wait, maybe they do ... like when Crusader Orb gear went from stuff for highish end players to stuff you were practically expected to get crafted to start raiding :) |
| 18:46.09 | Iriel | MP has some serious issues, I dont like the absence of falling snow either |
| 18:46.31 | Iriel | But it's unabashedly alpha, so i'll cut it some slack for now |
| 18:46.47 | Iriel | Sadly, I have to work now, so i'm going to try and mostly ignore this window |
| 18:46.48 | nevcairiel | Shirik: iirc, you only get one scope per function (or well, the file/global scope) |
| 18:47.05 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:47.52 | Dagmar | Yeah the alpha thing is a pain when a lot of these issues I could sort out, while still sucking with Java |
| 18:48.38 | Iriel | Java is awesome |
| 18:48.58 | Iriel | if the code wasn't obfuscated I probably would be seriously jeopardizing my job 8-) |
| 18:49.00 | Dagmar | Yeah well, I still suck at java. Thank god for IDEs with function lookups |
| 18:49.31 | cbreak | obfuscation? bad... |
| 18:49.40 | cbreak | well, good for job security I guess |
| 18:49.46 | cbreak | if you're the only one who can read the code |
| 18:49.55 | Dagmar | Hah. Who exactly is going to fire Notch? |
| 18:49.56 | Iriel | Effective Java (2nd Edition) is a really good book, by the way, if anyone cares. |
| 18:49.56 | Dagmar | :) |
| 18:50.07 | Iriel | We're contemplating making it required reading for our dev team |
| 18:52.51 | sylvanaar | have you tried my lua plugin for intelliJ Iriel? |
| 18:54.02 | Iriel | I dont use intelliJ |
| 18:54.24 | nevcairiel | Oh btw, thanks for bugging the devs enough Iriel, i saw some function to convert spell ids to spellbook ids %) |
| 18:54.44 | Jamash | oh yeah I saw that <3 |
| 18:54.49 | Iriel | nevcairiel: No problem, they added the function for their own code apparently, and I convinced them to put it tnto the secure environment |
| 18:55.31 | Iriel | nevcairiel: There's a seed of hope that maybe in a future patch we'll get the helpful/harmful functions to accept the ids on their own like some other functions do |
| 18:55.44 | nevcairiel | that would be nice |
| 18:55.53 | nevcairiel | but yeah, this works for now |
| 18:56.03 | Iriel | Given the lateness of the request they were aprehensive about that for 4.0 |
| 18:56.34 | nevcairiel | I searched framexml for those functions, and i dont think i found a place where they actually use it themself |
| 18:56.50 | Iriel | They dont |
| 18:56.55 | Iriel | It was added because the addon community requested it |
| 18:57.07 | Iriel | to avoid having to manually maintain lookup tables |
| 18:59.08 | Iriel | sylvanaar: I actually use emacs lua-mode for lua, it's imperfect for sure, but "good enough" for most of what I do. |
| 18:59.38 | Jamash | I tried emacs once |
| 18:59.50 | Slackwise | Anyone in beta? |
| 18:59.58 | Iriel | I've been using it since late 1990, it's second nature by now. |
| 19:00.03 | Jamash | I decided that the amount of time I'd save using it was less than the amount of time I'd waste learning it |
| 19:00.09 | nevcairiel | I have access to beta, but i'm not currently online, if thats what you're asking =p |
| 19:00.24 | Iriel | I dunno, you can make up a lot of learning curve ramp up time over 20 years |
| 19:00.36 | Slackwise | Apparently addons are allowed but /run and /script are still blocked. >:( |
| 19:00.40 | Iriel | though I'd say I'd made up my learning time investment by the end of 1991 |
| 19:00.43 | sylvanaar | well if you have the time Iriel i'd love the feedback |
| 19:00.45 | Jamash | hehehehe |
| 19:00.50 | nevcairiel | yeah Slackwise, its all cogwheels fault |
| 19:00.58 | Slackwise | Sounds about right. |
| 19:01.00 | Iriel | There are numerous addons to 'unbreak' them |
| 19:01.07 | Slackwise | Did he recieve the appropriate number of lashings? |
| 19:01.08 | Jamash | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17848-ItsAllCogwheelsFaultrundumpfix.html |
| 19:01.37 | nevcairiel | thats the best of the lot ^ |
| 19:01.40 | Slackwise | :D |
| 19:01.44 | Slackwise | Awesome. Thanks. :D |
| 19:01.51 | nevcairiel | interesting that they still didnt fix it in any newer beta push |
| 19:02.02 | Slackwise | I was about to write my own little mod with like a bajillion SetBindingSpell() calls. |
| 19:02.10 | Amarande | nevcairiel: possibly a new security paradigm? |
| 19:02.13 | Jamash | probably because they still work on the blizzard end |
| 19:02.14 | Iriel | nevcairiel: I believe that was an oversight |
| 19:02.22 | nevcairiel | hm right |
| 19:02.27 | Jamash | there's no incentive for them to fix what isn't broken (for them) |
| 19:02.27 | nevcairiel | they put that GM check in htere |
| 19:02.41 | nevcairiel | speaking of |
| 19:02.48 | Fisker | gm check for what? |
| 19:02.52 | Iriel | nevcairiel: From what I can gather the UI team dont actually get to control which build gets pushed to beta, or know until it's almost on our door step |
| 19:02.54 | nevcairiel | i just looked through the PTR 13033 diff |
| 19:02.57 | nevcairiel | it was fixed there |
| 19:03.02 | kd3 | oh, crap. diff |
| 19:03.05 | kd3 | knew I forgot something |
| 19:03.07 | Iriel | nevcairiel: so even when they do make a change, it doesn't always show up when we'd expect it to |
| 19:03.14 | Jamash | gm check for being able to use /run /script /dump |
| 19:03.15 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:03.16 | Fisker | HEY KD3 |
| 19:03.21 | kd3 | yes, fisk-fisk? |
| 19:03.24 | Fisker | hey |
| 19:03.30 | nevcairiel | yeah i gathered that from soem comments zoot made back in the wotlk beta days |
| 19:03.51 | nevcairiel | kd3: don't bother with ptr diffs imho |
| 19:03.59 | nevcairiel | beta push is probably comiong tomorrow or so |
| 19:04.07 | kd3 | I'm not--espcially since it broke again in 13033 |
| 19:04.16 | kd3 | really not enthused about downloading 16 gigs again |
| 19:04.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:04.23 | Fisker | you really should |
| 19:04.28 | Jamash | someone who isn't as lazy as me should write a script to emulate the wow ui toolkit for beta/ptr |
| 19:04.50 | Fisker | i downloaded 111 GB the last 31 days on torrents |
| 19:05.00 | nevcairiel | its not that much work to extract it, just have to know which mpqs to look in |
| 19:05.25 | nevcairiel | Fisker: only? i do that on a weekend |
| 19:05.33 | kd3 | eesh... 4600 lines in the 12984-13066 diff |
| 19:05.47 | nevcairiel | where does everyone get 13066 already <.< |
| 19:06.35 | nevcairiel | or did they forget to patch EU again? :D |
| 19:06.38 | kd3 | with the new streaming system, they're putting up the whole mpqs on the distro caches instead of the 256k chunks... it's just a function of finding them |
| 19:06.45 | kd3 | it's not out yet for us afaik |
| 19:10.32 | Fisker | i could easily do that nevcairiel |
| 19:10.44 | Fisker | i just don't pirate enough games and shitty tv shows to do so |
| 19:12.20 | Cide | Shirik: that's ugly |
| 19:12.21 | kd3 | oh, yay... looks like they finally fixed /run this build |
| 19:12.55 | Cide | if the upvalue is outside of a function and you need to set its value then you need to use "global foo" |
| 19:13.01 | Cide | if you're only reading it then you don't need that |
| 19:13.14 | Cide | if the upvalue is not outside a function definition then you can just do it regularly |
| 19:13.29 | Cide | i.e. foo = None; if True: foo = "bar" |
| 19:24.48 | Amarande | you know, this spec and gear stuff I'm reading about for DA:O is reminding me of WoW. |
| 19:25.05 | Amarande | hmm ... once WoW simplifies speccing and gear stats even more, maybe they'll even be the same! LOL |
| 19:25.26 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: some bug i noticed with the code reformater. I have some multiline string literals, and everytime i reformat, it adds a few spaces in front of it, moving it every time. It should not reformat those literals at all, imho. |
| 19:31.48 | kd3 | emails off |
| 19:32.26 | p3lim | anyone got a good laptop suggestion? doesnt have to be for gaming |
| 19:32.33 | Iriel | MacBook Pro |
| 19:32.39 | kd3 | expensive! |
| 19:32.45 | kd3 | hugs his cheap-ass netbook |
| 19:32.55 | Iriel | It depends what you're planning on DOING with it. |
| 19:32.59 | p3lim | s/good/cheap |
| 19:33.16 | Iriel | Second Hand MacBook Pro? 8-) |
| 19:33.33 | p3lim | mostly just random stuff, programming/irc/interwebs |
| 19:33.58 | p3lim | it shouldnt be too big, nor too expensive |
| 19:34.24 | p3lim | gonna bring it when I'm shipped off to military duty in 3 months, for use in the spare time |
| 19:34.29 | jnwhiteh | the question you need to ask/answer is what you need as far as battery power. |
| 19:34.30 | p3lim | (watch movies etc)¨ |
| 19:34.38 | jnwhiteh | how long can you be away from an outlet |
| 19:34.56 | p3lim | I will be near an outlet most of the time I'm able to use it so |
| 19:35.14 | p3lim | so battery power isnt a big requirement neither |
| 19:35.47 | p3lim | optic drive isnt nessecary neither |
| 19:35.49 | jnwhiteh | Then you can pick whatever you want, really =) |
| 19:35.55 | jnwhiteh | depends on how much you want to spend |
| 19:36.09 | nevcairiel | cheap, small, no optical, sounds like you want a netbook :p |
| 19:36.13 | Iriel | I'd ask a slightly different question |
| 19:36.26 | p3lim | at most 1k dollars |
| 19:36.30 | Iriel | **WHEN** you have no external power, how much sanity do you need |
| 19:36.50 | p3lim | what do you mean |
| 19:37.19 | Iriel | Well, knowing you'll usually be near power does help (and avoids you having to do stuff like stock up on extra batteries) |
| 19:37.41 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: thanks, ill give that a try |
| 19:37.50 | p3lim | yeah I'll be near an outlet most of the time |
| 19:37.54 | Iriel | but when the power does inevitably go out, or be unavailable (e.g. on a flight, in a cafe, because you're on a mititary exercise away from a base), how long do you need to be able to use it. |
| 19:38.22 | Iriel | Is it "not at all" (laptop only for form factor) your answer? An hour? 3 hours? |
| 19:38.33 | p3lim | In case it runs out of power I have either my phone (HTC Desire) or some sort of mp3 player nearby |
| 19:38.34 | nevcairiel | You carry your laptop with you when you're crawling through a forest in an excercise? =) |
| 19:38.49 | p3lim | no |
| 19:38.52 | p3lim | just for use on the base |
| 19:38.55 | kd3 | "...but I've gotta keep up with twitter somehow!" |
| 19:38.57 | Iriel | I know people who've bought a laptop as a 'desktop replacement" and then get really annoyed when they discover that they can't use it for more than 30 minutes away from its plug. |
| 19:39.11 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: oh yeah you're right |
| 19:39.14 | p3lim | its not a replacement |
| 19:39.18 | p3lim | its more a backup :p |
| 19:39.18 | nevcairiel | screw those high performance laptops with no battery to speak off |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | buy a PC already |
| 19:39.32 | Iriel | Ok then, i'm with jnwhiteh, pick whatever you want 8-) |
| 19:39.39 | p3lim | :p |
| 19:39.40 | Iriel | Or get a tiny form factor PC and a monitor |
| 19:39.53 | p3lim | the laptop part of it is the whole point |
| 19:40.08 | p3lim | I have a stationary at home |
| 19:40.10 | Iriel | I'm not sure I understand that part |
| 19:40.19 | Iriel | If you want portability there are some very small machines out there |
| 19:40.22 | nevcairiel | I'm find of thinkpads or HP Elitebooks, but might not come into your pricerange |
| 19:40.28 | nevcairiel | s/find/fond/ |
| 19:40.28 | p3lim | I'm only allowed to bring a laptop |
| 19:40.29 | Iriel | But you dont have to pay for the battery part or the miniscule power consumption |
| 19:40.32 | Iriel | OH |
| 19:40.36 | Iriel | I see, so it has to be a laptop |
| 19:40.39 | p3lim | yeah |
| 19:40.58 | Iriel | I've been reasonably happy with thinkpads, though they're not what they used to be. |
| 19:41.15 | nevcairiel | yeah, ever since IBM sold them off to lenovo, things went a bit downhill |
| 19:41.24 | p3lim | I was first thinking of getting something like an Eee pc, but after I actually tried it.. |
| 19:41.35 | amro | most laptop lines went down in quality |
| 19:41.53 | amro | right about when laptops went from a nice item to a commodity |
| 19:42.00 | amro | niche* |
| 19:42.18 | nevcairiel | became a consumer product |
| 19:44.31 | p3lim | ok, AMD M120 or Pentium T4500? |
| 19:44.45 | nevcairiel | is not up to speed on those weird mobile cpus |
| 19:45.24 | nevcairiel | I know that the i3 mobile cpus are plenty powerful, however %) |
| 19:45.30 | foxlit | p3lim: something from yesteryear? |
| 19:45.40 | p3lim | :p |
| 19:46.54 | p3lim | nevcairiel: they are also expencive |
| 19:47.50 | jnwhiteh | if I leave launcher open, will it catch updates |
| 19:48.13 | Jamash | I'm contemplating writing a shell script to automate extracting the ui code from the beta / ptr using mpqedit |
| 19:48.34 | nevcairiel | there are alot of laptop offers for around 600-700 ⬠with an i3 cpu and some decent other hardware, tbh. Don't know about your country, though |
| 19:48.38 | cbreak | Pizza needs garlic. |
| 19:48.46 | Jamash | and olives |
| 19:48.48 | cbreak | it adds so much to the flavour. |
| 19:48.52 | p3lim | got both |
| 19:48.54 | cbreak | Olives? no. But olive oil. |
| 19:48.58 | A-KO | cbreak |
| 19:49.00 | p3lim | black olives <3 |
| 19:49.01 | A-KO | speaking of garlic pizza |
| 19:49.14 | Jamash | black *and* green olives |
| 19:49.28 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs025.snc4/33608_431324555266_641465266_5287686_1015045_n.jpg |
| 19:49.28 | jnwhiteh | Jamash: been done =) |
| 19:49.30 | A-KO | garlinc and mushroom |
| 19:49.31 | A-KO | :P |
| 19:49.34 | A-KO | garlic* |
| 19:49.37 | A-KO | had that on Friday for lunch |
| 19:49.49 | p3lim | nevcairiel: the cheapest one I found with i3 was a HP ProBook 4720s, its huge and it costs 1k |
| 19:49.50 | Jamash | tha's a very tall pizza |
| 19:49.59 | Iriel | I dislike olives greatly, but olive oil is good. |
| 19:50.01 | A-KO | rated best pizza in Baltimore, so I had to give it a shot |
| 19:50.01 | p3lim | A-KO: nomnom |
| 19:50.08 | A-KO | it wasn't bad |
| 19:50.10 | A-KO | I was impressed |
| 19:50.12 | Jamash | olives are awesome |
| 19:50.20 | A-KO | only thing that sucks is that they charge $$$$$ for toppings there |
| 19:50.29 | A-KO | it's $1.75/topping if you don't get an off-the shelf pizza |
| 19:50.36 | A-KO | so garlic and mushroom was $3.50 :( |
| 19:50.41 | Mikk | christ |
| 19:50.42 | A-KO | in addition to the rest of the cost.. |
| 19:50.43 | Jamash | someone order me a pizza, I have a cold and am hungry |
| 19:51.00 | cbreak | I buy pizza dough, and put the stuff on top myself. |
| 19:51.08 | Jamash | sounds like effort |
| 19:51.11 | p3lim | Meh, fuck it |
| 19:51.27 | p3lim | Im just gonna pick one thats below 800 and base it around the looks and screen specs |
| 19:51.37 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ <-man that's close |
| 19:51.45 | nevcairiel | stuff seems expensive where ever you shop laptops |
| 19:52.01 | A-KO | my parents just bought a compaq for like $350 |
| 19:52.07 | cbreak | buy a mac, there you already know that it's going to cost :) |
| 19:52.12 | cbreak | or buy a "netbook" |
| 19:52.14 | A-KO | it's not the best in the world |
| 19:52.16 | A-KO | but it works for them |
| 19:52.50 | p3lim | I was considering a netbook, until I tried one |
| 19:52.55 | p3lim | way too small |
| 19:52.59 | A-KO | netbooks are great as long as you don't use it as a primary device |
| 19:53.02 | A-KO | I love my netbook |
| 19:53.05 | A-KO | and prefer netbook-sized devices |
| 19:53.17 | p3lim | As I said, I will only use it for movies/surfing/irc/whatever |
| 19:53.20 | nevcairiel | for those ultra-mobile needs i have a phone |
| 19:53.24 | p3lim | not games or anything like that |
| 19:53.24 | A-KO | but, I don't really care about a big laptop either, I've got a decent enough desktop, and I don't want to lug around a huge computer. |
| 19:53.25 | cbreak | I like my 12" mac book, but I thinkfor what I use it, some random netbook with the same size screen would do too |
| 19:53.39 | A-KO | cbreak: I've been looking at the Asus 1201N for an upgrade |
| 19:53.42 | A-KO | I'm still debating though |
| 19:53.45 | nevcairiel | for some mobile working i have a 13,something" laptop |
| 19:53.50 | A-KO | might just hold out |
| 19:53.51 | p3lim | nevcairiel: I have my desire, but its way too small for continous use, and the power runs out quick |
| 19:53.55 | nevcairiel | can't stand working on a netbook |
| 19:53.57 | A-KO | I've got an Asus eee pc, and my iphone 4 |
| 19:54.04 | A-KO | so I'm covered :P |
| 19:54.06 | cbreak | I use it mainly for entertainment and a tiny bit of work during commuting |
| 19:54.18 | p3lim | I hate the Eee's |
| 19:54.28 | p3lim | screen is way too small |
| 19:54.30 | cbreak | so it needs not much power, but good net independence |
| 19:54.33 | cbreak | and small size |
| 19:54.56 | A-KO | p3lim: see, it doesn't bother me all that much except when I'm using crap that REQUIRES 1024x768 |
| 19:54.59 | A-KO | that's about it |
| 19:55.08 | A-KO | the 1201 is a 12" screen though, so it gets beyond that issue |
| 19:55.23 | nevcairiel | I dont think those still count as a netbook anymore |
| 19:55.26 | p3lim | https://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/diverse/toshiba/ac100/3.jpg |
| 19:55.40 | A-KO | yeah nevcairiel |
| 19:55.43 | cbreak | I have an iPad. wonder if that counts as netbook. |
| 19:55.44 | Fisker | p3lim |
| 19:55.47 | Fisker | i just went "milf?" |
| 19:55.48 | Fisker | :o |
| 19:55.49 | cbreak | very rarely use it though |
| 19:55.52 | p3lim | :D |
| 19:55.52 | Fisker | btw i lold |
| 19:56.02 | A-KO | http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56 |
| 19:56.11 | Fisker | there was some supplier who recommended us an illegal netbook for school usage |
| 19:56.16 | Fisker | "uhm no" |
| 19:56.18 | cbreak | illegal? |
| 19:56.20 | p3lim | A-KO: thats the one I tried |
| 19:56.36 | cbreak | with plutonium battery or something? |
| 19:56.53 | Fisker | sec |
| 19:57.11 | cbreak | 5 hours, acceptable I guess :) |
| 19:57.26 | p3lim | that thing I just linked has 8 hours power, 16gb ssd and it runs on android OS :p |
| 19:57.37 | A-KO | yeah I don't really care about android OS |
| 19:57.45 | cbreak | not a desktop OS? |
| 19:57.47 | A-KO | my day to day tasks pretty much require Windows for 90% of what I do |
| 19:57.49 | Fisker | they have to be a minimum size to qualify for school usage cbreak |
| 19:57.54 | p3lim | I'm gonna toss linux on it anyways |
| 19:57.58 | cbreak | lack of real OS is what prevents me from using the iPad mostly |
| 19:58.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Xyphoid (~xyph@unaffiliated/xyphoid) |
| 19:58.04 | cbreak | oh |
| 19:58.10 | Amarande | grrrr, almost 35k unbuffed, still only 517 def |
| 19:58.12 | cbreak | because children would swallow them otherwise? |
| 19:58.17 | Jamash | ^ |
| 19:58.19 | Amarande | to chance queuing heroics as tank now or not ... |
| 19:58.19 | A-KO | cbreak: I suspect over the next 2-3 years we'll see some devices that are similar in size but use a real OS |
| 19:58.22 | nevcairiel | cbreak: cant you run windows 98 or so on apple devices? |
| 19:58.33 | Fisker | no because 11" is small as shit cbreak |
| 19:58.35 | cbreak | yeah, with VMWare |
| 19:58.41 | p3lim | gonna force myself to learn to use linux while I'm in service |
| 19:58.41 | cbreak | but not on iPads |
| 19:58.44 | Jamash | boot camp for ipad, now run android on your ipad |
| 19:59.35 | p3lim | christ, my desire has a better cpu :s |
| 19:59.56 | A-KO | I'm too busy trying to wrap my head around some of the higher level MS stuff to worry about some of the low end linux stuff |
| 20:00.11 | A-KO | I don't really view Windows as an OS anymore.........given my work |
| 20:00.23 | A-KO | I do everything from datacenter on down to clients |
| 20:00.56 | cbreak | I got to do some minor chip programming at work a few weeks ago |
| 20:00.59 | cbreak | fun;) |
| 20:01.05 | A-KO | cool |
| 20:01.13 | A-KO | sigh football game's over.... |
| 20:01.18 | A-KO | means restaurants downtown will be packed |
| 20:01.30 | p3lim | Gonna get a Compaq Presario CQ62 I think |
| 20:01.37 | p3lim | seems decent enough for what I'm gonna do |
| 20:01.56 | A-KO | pretty sure that's what my parents got |
| 20:02.01 | A-KO | it's not terribly bad |
| 20:02.06 | A-KO | works well enough, definitely not a gaming machine though |
| 20:02.21 | p3lim | nah, but im not gonna play on it anyways |
| 20:02.58 | p3lim | gonna toss my Momentus XT in it aswell |
| 20:03.09 | p3lim | 5400rpm drives booo |
| 20:03.25 | nevcairiel | how much is that thing for you? |
| 20:03.41 | Amarande | p3lim: you know why they call it Presario, right? |
| 20:03.45 | Amarande | That's as in Pre-Sorry-O. |
| 20:03.49 | p3lim | lol |
| 20:04.00 | Amarande | As in "Sorry! Oh!" is what the Compaq guy will be screaming when you flog his ass for selling you such a crappy computer XD |
| 20:04.29 | A-KO | works for my parents |
| 20:04.33 | A-KO | so I dunno |
| 20:04.39 | A-KO | it's not for a performer |
| 20:04.41 | A-KO | that's for sure |
| 20:04.47 | nevcairiel | the cq26 is like tops 400⬠around here, alot of headroom to your 1k :p |
| 20:05.01 | p3lim | My mom is using a 9 year old compaq laptop, does the job for her |
| 20:05.02 | p3lim | :p |
| 20:05.14 | A-KO | my parents were using a toshiba p200 still |
| 20:05.15 | p3lim | shes got win98 :D |
| 20:05.18 | A-KO | I lie not |
| 20:05.23 | A-KO | pentium 200.... |
| 20:05.24 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:05.26 | A-KO | it finally died |
| 20:05.31 | A-KO | and they upgraded to the compaq |
| 20:05.39 | A-KO | well worth the $ for them |
| 20:06.04 | nevcairiel | that must've been some performance boost |
| 20:06.10 | olafski | quite an upgrade |
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| 20:06.48 | nevcairiel | my universal remote control probably has more processing power then a pentium 200 :P |
| 20:07.17 | nevcairiel | (its one of those fancy ones from logitech) |
| 20:07.33 | Fisker | i'm one of those fancy ones from logitech |
| 20:07.40 | p3lim | nevcairiel: the black one? I have that too |
| 20:07.49 | Fisker | also enjoy your outdated remote when revue comes out |
| 20:07.53 | Fisker | they're all black p3lim |
| 20:08.01 | olafski | I've yet to see a universal remote that I like better than just using 3-4 remotes =( |
| 20:08.13 | p3lim | http://www.logitech.com/no-no/remotes/universal-remotes/devices/4708 |
| 20:08.18 | nevcairiel | the harmony remotes are awesome, but not cheap |
| 20:08.36 | nevcairiel | not the big one, no. I still have one in remote-shape |
| 20:08.43 | p3lim | the screen is a bit flimsy on mine though, considering sending it to service |
| 20:08.45 | foxlit | /no-no/ ? |
| 20:08.51 | Fisker | get the revue when that comes out |
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| 20:11.16 | Fisker | grrr |
| 20:11.49 | Iriel | I have one of these - which is awesome: http://www.universalremote.com/products/discontinued/professional/mx-950 |
| 20:11.57 | Iriel | But I think it was also terribly expensive (it was a gift) |
| 20:12.19 | Fisker | looks like shit |
| 20:12.22 | Fisker | but it has RF :P |
| 20:12.23 | Iriel | That said it was the first universal remote i've used that actually managed to replace all my others. |
| 20:12.53 | Iriel | (since "I want to watch a DVD" involves at least 3 components) |
| 20:12.57 | Fisker | i wonder if the revue got built in RF |
| 20:13.01 | Fisker | because that would be sexy |
| 20:13.02 | Fisker | as hell |
| 20:13.25 | Iriel | Anyway, that one's old, hopefully cheaper and more readily available devices have caught up now. |
| 20:13.35 | nevcairiel | Having a infrared thingy that you can tape onto your device and then hide it in a cabinet or something is awesome |
| 20:13.50 | nevcairiel | the harmony has that too |
| 20:14.01 | Fisker | O_o? |
| 20:14.35 | p3lim | the harmony is awesome :) |
| 20:14.41 | nevcairiel | You get a small receiver for the RF, which then translates that to default infra red signals for non-RF devices, so you can use it with really anything |
| 20:14.47 | Amarande | so basically, in today's heroic groups how risking of horribly pinging HP is being 17 off def cap? |
| 20:14.56 | Fisker | you got one of those with RF nevcairiel ? |
| 20:15.12 | nevcairiel | yeah, the harmony 900 |
| 20:15.29 | nevcairiel | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remotes/universal-remotes/devices/5874 |
| 20:15.41 | nevcairiel | with macros so turn on all devices and everything |
| 20:15.43 | nevcairiel | its awesome |
| 20:15.48 | Fisker | oh well |
| 20:15.53 | Fisker | revue is cheaper than that i think :D |
| 20:15.59 | nevcairiel | but not available |
| 20:16.38 | nevcairiel | also, revue is a stupid name to google |
| 20:16.39 | Fisker | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remotes/universal-remotes/devices/6441 <-got this one |
| 20:16.42 | nevcairiel | give me a link :p |
| 20:17.22 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHc6t26iP7o |
| 20:17.43 | olafski | nevcairiel: apart from having to carry all 4 remotes, a universal one seems more cumbersome somehow =( |
| 20:17.54 | nevcairiel | cumbersome? why? |
| 20:18.21 | nevcairiel | instead of picking up another remote, you press the button for the mode switch |
| 20:18.30 | olafski | yeah guess so :P |
| 20:18.31 | nevcairiel | initial setup takes a bit of time, of course |
| 20:18.36 | olafski | my parents have a harmony, it seems annoying |
| 20:18.42 | olafski | dad's always fighting with it |
| 20:18.50 | Amarande | Fisker, does it include Direbrew functionality for additional fun? :) |
| 20:18.55 | olafski | he's not the most tech savvy but still :P |
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| 20:19.03 | foxlit | http://www.cytechstore.com/images/Philips%20%20SRU5150.jpg |
| 20:19.26 | nevcairiel | Fisker: revue is a google tv client box, how does that help my remote contorl needs? |
| 20:19.33 | Fisker | it's both |
| 20:19.50 | Iriel | My experience was that I replaced 7 remotes with 1, and could get the various interactions correct (such as which of the A/V receiver's inputs goes to the sqeezebox -- which of the various devices should have the TV on versus Off) |
| 20:20.26 | olafski | my parents have one where they can choose a "function", e.g. "watch tv", "record" etc |
| 20:20.41 | olafski | they seem to be fighting with the fact that two of those functions can't really be combined |
| 20:20.52 | nevcairiel | maybe they set it up wrong |
| 20:20.57 | nevcairiel | the harmony is really fully configurable |
| 20:21.14 | Jamash | fully... functional? |
| 20:21.27 | olafski | father first presses "record something", then starts recording etc, then he wants to watch something else while recording so he presses "watch tv" and the harmony turns off the recorder |
| 20:22.02 | nevcairiel | sounds like misconfiguration :p |
| 20:22.16 | olafski | no clue.. I've never looked at it |
| 20:22.23 | olafski | I don't really mind using 3 remotes and an xbox controller :P |
| 20:22.39 | olafski | or 4 remotes if you count the sun-shades thing :P |
| 20:22.42 | nevcairiel | i was yet too lazy to setup my MCE remote |
| 20:22.50 | nevcairiel | still using the mouse for the htpc |
| 20:23.24 | nevcairiel | should setup the MCE remote app to talk to the harmony |
| 20:23.28 | nevcairiel | well, another day |
| 20:25.04 | olafski | would be nice if I could control my tv, dvd player, xbox, set top box and windowblinds with the same remote.. but I'm convinced I'll be too lazy to set that up |
| 20:25.12 | olafski | and probably too cheap anyway |
| 20:25.18 | Jamash | now you just need a remote to watch tv for you |
| 20:25.43 | Fisker | anyway nevcairiel you setup a couple of IR blasters and you can use your revue keyboard/remote or android/iphone to control all your devices |
| 20:27.18 | Fisker | i hope andchat works on logitech revue when it comes out over here |
| 20:28.50 | Jamash | hmm, activeperl or strawberry perl |
| 20:29.32 | amro | strawberry ice cream |
| 20:29.47 | Fisker | strawberrrys? |
| 20:29.48 | Fisker | neat |
| 20:30.12 | amro | strawberries you brute |
| 20:31.20 | Kraps | snozzberries |
| 20:34.28 | Fisker | i'm raiding amro |
| 20:34.40 | Fisker | i really shouldn't be ircing between abilities |
| 20:35.28 | amro | you're bad |
| 20:35.32 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14713555817&sid=1 <-it's a bag |
| 20:35.36 | Fisker | i might as well amro |
| 20:35.40 | amro | I irced between icy veins frostbolt casts |
| 20:35.52 | Fisker | threat in shadow realm sucks and they're like "wah don't damage in shadow realm then" |
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| 20:36.16 | Fisker | and i'm like "Well we have to kill the boss within 8 minutes anyway so why even bother trying if we're just gonna stall that much damage he'll enrage anyway?" |
| 20:36.35 | olafski | fisker: wow.. amazing english there |
| 20:36.43 | Fisker | fuck you olafski |
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| 20:37.41 | olafski | you too |
| 20:37.44 | olafski | I meant in that thread though |
| 20:38.06 | Fisker | oh |
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| 20:38.30 | Fisker | to be fair he's russian |
| 20:39.51 | Sixen | *Removal of IsGMClient() checks on /run, /script, and /dump (guess that means it's no longer all cogwheel's fault? >.>) |
| 20:39.53 | Sixen | what'd I miss? |
| 20:40.10 | foxlit | nothing interesting. |
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| 20:40.30 | kd3 | we can use the /run, /script and /dump commands now without resorting to addons to re-enable them |
| 20:40.41 | Sixen | Ah, clever. |
| 20:41.30 | cbreak | bliz removed /script?! |
| 20:41.45 | Jamash | no they just restricted them |
| 20:41.52 | Sixen | No, if I understand it correctly, they removed the GM check so now anyway can use it |
| 20:41.52 | cbreak | ... |
| 20:42.00 | Jamash | now they're unrestricting them |
| 20:42.01 | Sixen | anyone* |
| 20:42.02 | cbreak | I use them since years |
| 20:42.07 | cbreak | and I never had a GM client |
| 20:42.12 | Jamash | in beta yo |
| 20:42.17 | kd3 | we *can* use them now. for a while during alpha, beta we couldn't |
| 20:42.21 | cbreak | oh |
| 20:42.30 | cbreak | back when they disabled addons I guess |
| 20:42.34 | kd3 | yar |
| 20:42.34 | Sixen | Yar |
| 20:42.42 | Jamash | YARR |
| 20:42.50 | Thunder_Child | yeee-har |
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| 20:44.17 | Jamash | I HUNGER |
| 20:44.48 | Thunder_Child | then eat |
| 20:45.31 | Jamash | I did BT for the first time the other day and on reliquary of souls I was happy to catch the Sinistar reference |
| 20:47.37 | Kraps | new season of fringe |
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| 20:53.53 | Kraps | how does bug become bag? |
| 20:54.49 | Kraps | "May be I was too harry to do it (pick up) right after incarnation, but as a result," def a translator |
| 20:55.52 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:56.07 | olafski | maybe the two words are similar in russian I guess.. but it doesn't look like a translator to me |
| 20:56.18 | olafski | more like he knows more or less how to pronounce the words but not how to write them |
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| 21:09.10 | jnwhiteh | Hey guys |
| 21:09.15 | jnwhiteh | I really need someone to help me test something |
| 21:09.28 | jnwhiteh | Anyone available to log into PTR (Broxigar) Human at the abbey? |
| 21:11.57 | jnwhiteh | Anyone? |
| 21:11.58 | jnwhiteh | =( |
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| 21:14.03 | Thunder_Child | i would but i dont think i am patched up |
| 21:14.05 | Thunder_Child | let me check |
| 21:14.23 | Robsato | Works for me |
| 21:14.32 | jnwhiteh | you only need to be red |
| 21:14.37 | jnwhiteh | don't need anything other than the UI patched, basically |
| 21:14.47 | jnwhiteh | this is the massive advantage of the new streaming client =) |
| 21:14.48 | Jamash | lemme get on |
| 21:14.53 | Thunder_Child | tell that to the tools that need to be updated |
| 21:14.57 | jnwhiteh | name is Cladhaire |
| 21:15.00 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: that's a minimal download, imo |
| 21:15.02 | Robsato | I see you |
| 21:15.02 | Jamash | your face needs to be updated |
| 21:15.10 | Thunder_Child | agreed Jamash |
| 21:15.13 | jnwhiteh | Robsato: woohoohoo? |
| 21:15.24 | Robsato | Yep |
| 21:15.26 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 21:15.26 | Slackwise | Maybe I'm just tired but... "'}' expected (to close '{' at line 18) near '='" |
| 21:15.29 | jnwhiteh | i'll invite you in a moment |
| 21:15.32 | Slackwise | No such error... |
| 21:15.35 | jnwhiteh | need to get in combat |
| 21:16.40 | Thunder_Child | good because i am not patched at all |
| 21:16.51 | jnwhiteh | All set! |
| 21:17.01 | jnwhiteh | And Clique's new system works |
| 21:17.05 | jnwhiteh | means I can finidh up this damn addon |
| 21:17.18 | Thunder_Child | i think i need to upgrade myself the the 12mb |
| 21:17.29 | Jamash | uh, why is my ptr client crashing on startup |
| 21:17.39 | Thunder_Child | because you insulted me |
| 21:17.51 | jnwhiteh | Robsato: one more test |
| 21:17.57 | jnwhiteh | if you don't mind =) |
| 21:18.12 | Thunder_Child | have they released whats going to be in the cata CE? |
| 21:18.20 | Robsato | Just a sec have to fire up wow again |
| 21:18.40 | jnwhiteh | very sorry |
| 21:18.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: whats the smallest LED you can think of? |
| 21:18.49 | jnwhiteh | 100% certain it will work, but want to feel better about it |
| 21:19.55 | Fisker | jnwhiteh is awesome |
| 21:20.23 | Jamash | when all else fails, delete Cache\ |
| 21:20.39 | Thunder_Child | i cant tell if thats a good thing or a bad thing coming from fisker |
| 21:20.48 | jnwhiteh | Robsato: Thank you, really done now. |
| 21:20.53 | jnwhiteh | Muchly appreciated. |
| 21:22.19 | Robsato | No problem, gald to help out |
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| 21:40.25 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel: i updated the version in the plugin manager - should fix the string problem |
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| 21:45.15 | Fisker | haters gonna hate jnwhiteh |
| 21:50.25 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh: Id like your input on my IDE as well if you find the time |
| 21:50.37 | jnwhiteh | I don't really use IDEs so not much I can say about it |
| 21:50.48 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 21:51.55 | sylvanaar | if anything it has a cool code formatter =P |
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| 22:10.14 | Fisker | lols |
| 22:10.16 | Fisker | LOLS! |
| 22:10.50 | Thunder_Child | L.O.L.S.!. |
| 22:10.51 | Fisker | using facebook to find a place to eat |
| 22:11.02 | Fisker | stop using iphone and use google maps |
| 22:11.03 | Fisker | baww |
| 22:11.14 | Thunder_Child | iphone has google maps |
| 22:11.18 | Fisker | yeah |
| 22:11.41 | Fisker | Don't believe they added some of the new location and review services though |
| 22:11.46 | Fisker | you can just get a map of shit |
| 22:11.58 | Thunder_Child | local.google.com |
| 22:12.01 | Fisker | otherwise using facebook to do it still sucks |
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| 22:15.44 | kd3 | yay beta patch |
| 22:16.01 | Fisker | yay kd3 |
| 22:16.14 | Fisker | i just enter'd my beta launcher |
| 22:16.21 | Fisker | baw up to date |
| 22:16.34 | Fisker | why do you lie to me? |
| 22:17.01 | kd3 | points at the forums |
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| 22:18.37 | Fisker | i hate this guy |
| 22:19.01 | Fisker | his argument that android was vastly inferior to ios was that there was a icon on the launcher showing there was a second page when there wasn't |
| 22:19.06 | Fisker | i'm like wat? |
| 22:19.45 | Cairenn | ~timriker |
| 22:19.45 | purl | hmm... timriker is a noob who does c/p |
| 22:19.56 | Cairenn | growls at purl |
| 22:19.59 | Fisker | JB & CP ftw |
| 22:20.03 | Cairenn | ~whois timriker |
| 22:20.03 | purl | hmm... timriker is a noob who does c/p |
| 22:20.21 | Cairenn | offs purl, gimme his info, damnit |
| 22:20.35 | Fisker | you must be delirious atm Cairenn |
| 22:21.04 | Cairenn | purl, who owns you? |
| 22:21.04 | purl | TimRiker does |
| 22:21.12 | Cairenn | smacks purl around |
| 22:21.14 | Seerah | ~seen timriker |
| 22:21.28 | purl | timriker <~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 3d 1h 51m 16s ago, saying: 'back later.'. |
| 22:21.28 | Cairenn | purl, who is timriker |
| 22:21.28 | purl | timriker is probably a noob who does c/p |
| 22:21.31 | Fisker | purl get out of here |
| 22:21.31 | purl | ACTION fetches out of here |
| 22:38.02 | Cairenn | ~pil |
| 22:38.03 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 22:45.46 | Thunder_Child | ~cairenn |
| 22:45.46 | purl | i guess cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
| 22:45.52 | Thunder_Child | meh, borring |
| 22:45.56 | Thunder_Child | boring* |
| 22:46.01 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 22:46.01 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 22:46.03 | Cairenn | yep, that's me, boring |
| 22:46.07 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 22:46.09 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 22:49.21 | Thunder_Child | i need a single button to patch all of my games |
| 22:49.24 | Thunder_Child | this is getting silly |
| 22:49.37 | Gnarfoz | maintenance since 2:15pm PST? |
| 22:50.13 | Thunder_Child | eh? live is working |
| 22:50.18 | Gnarfoz | beta, of course |
| 22:50.22 | Gnarfoz | is that 1h:40min ago? |
| 22:50.40 | Thunder_Child | 1:35 |
| 22:51.06 | Thunder_Child | though it was working as of 2:22 |
| 22:51.17 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 22:51.25 | Thunder_Child | since jnwhiteh was on it |
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| 22:53.47 | Gnarfoz | well, servers are offline, that's why I was investigating ^^ |
| 22:56.20 | Jamash | interface extraction perl script is at 95% functionality |
| 22:56.55 | Jamash | someone remind me where the bug reporting addon is located |
| 22:58.07 | Maldivia | wow-update-*.mpq/base/Interface/AddOns/Blizzard_FeedbackUI |
| 22:58.34 | Jamash | tyvm |
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| 23:09.14 | Jamash | anyone here used the mpqedit scripting feature? |
| 23:09.34 | Maldivia | somewhat, why? |
| 23:09.53 | Jamash | I'm trying to extract files from a patched mpq using a script, and it seems to be getting the unpatched files |
| 23:10.40 | Maldivia | ohh, havne't toyed with patching mpqs, I just extract he raw files and patch myself :P |
| 23:10.50 | Jamash | there's an "op base.mpq patch1.mpq patch2.mpq patch3.mpq" syntax, but all of the commands take a single mpq as an argument |
| 23:10.56 | Jamash | uh, I don't know how to do that |
| 23:13.30 | Maldivia | heh e:) |
| 23:15.22 | Maldivia | personally, I just wrote a small java program to extract and patch |
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| 23:38.43 | Jerub | that's just fucking bizarre. bunch of peeople i pugged with on saturday have ended up clearing 10/12 icc are now forming a guild out of the members of the pug. |
| 23:39.38 | p3lim | lol |
| 23:39.55 | Jerub | "omg, people who don't stand in fire, /gquit" |
| 23:40.13 | Jerub | (or, in one case, gkicked because he went to the pug continuation in preference to an icc25 run) |
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| 23:47.35 | amro | raiding is srs business |
| 23:54.03 | *** join/#wowuidev rikai (~rikai@cpe-184-153-144-194.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 23:54.08 | *** join/#wowuidev rikai (~rikai@unaffiliated/rikai) |
| 23:56.53 | Slackwise | Okay, at wits end... |
| 23:56.55 | Slackwise | http://github.com/Slackwise/Slackwow/blob/master/Bindings.lua |
| 23:57.14 | Slackwise | ..\AddOns\Slackwow\Bindings.lua line 19: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 18) near '=' |
| 23:57.32 | Slackwise | I see no such syntax error. |
| 23:57.41 | Wobin | Slackwise: BUTTON3 = "TOGGLEAUTORUN", ... |
| 23:57.52 | Slackwise | ? |
| 23:58.04 | Wobin | remove the quotes from the key, I'd hazard a guess |
| 23:58.17 | Slackwise | Oh snap. |
| 23:58.22 | Slackwise | Keys need [] around strings. |
| 23:58.23 | Slackwise | Don't they. |
| 23:58.30 | Wobin | only if they have spaces I think |
| 23:58.41 | Wobin | but it's been a while =) |
| 23:58.54 | Xinhuan | only if they are non alphabet |
| 23:59.00 | Xinhuan | characters |
| 23:59.10 | Wobin | ah, so the -'s require [] |
| 23:59.15 | Xinhuan | yep |
