| 00:00.22 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, they should have stuck to CPUs, mobo chipsets and network cards :S |
| 00:00.44 | amro | they might as well not do graphics at all |
| 00:00.51 | amro | words alone cannot describe how bad their chipsets are |
| 00:00.55 | Jerub | they have the best linux graphics support. |
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| 00:01.05 | Jerub | for 2D stuff |
| 00:01.33 | amro | yeah well, even my window manager is using shaders now |
| 00:01.42 | amro | and those fail hard on intel hardware |
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| 00:02.09 | Jerub | if you want a laptop for going to conferences with and want ot be able to use a projector. |
| 00:02.13 | Jerub | you want a laptop with intel graphics. |
| 00:02.22 | Jerub | everything else sucks :/ |
| 00:02.53 | amro | you're sticking with oss drivers for nvidia or what? |
| 00:03.27 | Jerub | amro: no? |
| 00:03.45 | DWSR | Jerub: I disagree. |
| 00:03.47 | amro | how come you're having trouble then? |
| 00:03.52 | Jerub | but if you want to configure your nvidia card with multimonitors and stuff you have to use the nvidia provided tools to do anything useful. |
| 00:03.56 | DWSR | I have an HP laptop that has an ATI card in it. It's great. |
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| 00:04.14 | amro | there's no way it's great on linux |
| 00:04.15 | amro | no way |
| 00:04.19 | Jerub | with xrandr, you can just have a shell script, or any one of the xrandr guis to immediatley configure it. |
| 00:04.49 | amro | nvidia-settings is pretty good |
| 00:04.59 | Jerub | amro: nvidia-settings is a kludge. |
| 00:05.10 | amro | care to elaborate? |
| 00:05.18 | Amarande | DWSR: did you get the Envy? |
| 00:05.34 | DWSR | quick fix. |
| 00:05.39 | Jerub | amro: xrandr allows for on the fly configuration of displays without any ui required. |
| 00:05.39 | DWSR | Not really that great, but functional. |
| 00:06.24 | amro | Jerub: can't you just tweak the setup manually anyway with nvidia? |
| 00:06.40 | Jerub | amro: i have icons on my toolbar i hit for whatever monitor arrangement i want. like when i get to work i hit a button for putting my external vga monitor above my built in: |
| 00:06.45 | Jerub | xrandr --output DVI1 --off; xrandr --output DVI2 --off ; xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto; xrandr --output VGA1 --above LVDS1 --auto |
| 00:06.52 | Jerub | that button just runs those commands. |
| 00:07.10 | amro | I'm confused |
| 00:07.14 | amro | isn't xrandr part of x.org? |
| 00:07.17 | Jerub | yep. |
| 00:07.21 | Jerub | and nvidia doesn't support it properly. |
| 00:07.40 | Jerub | so you've gotta use the kludgy nvidia-settings tool to get anything odne. |
| 00:07.44 | amro | oh well, I can't comment on that |
| 00:08.45 | DWSR | amro: In terms of ATI on Linux, yeah, I have to agree. But then again, I'm just keeping Windows 7 on this laptop purely because it's a work laptop. |
| 00:08.58 | Arrowmaster | you can change settings in nvidia-settings from the command line |
| 00:09.02 | amro | ati fails on windows too, just not as often |
| 00:09.31 | Adys | yes, just as often |
| 00:09.37 | Adys | just not as badly |
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| 00:10.00 | Amarande | ATI's control center is pegged as a keylogger by some antivirus programs :| |
| 00:10.07 | Amarande | Trend, particularly |
| 00:10.14 | Adys | smart move |
| 00:10.34 | amro | antivirus programs fail by design |
| 00:10.35 | Adys | hey |
| 00:10.37 | Adys | dwsr |
| 00:10.38 | Adys | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1396084 |
| 00:11.02 | Adys | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1396410 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16506517#post16506517 |
| 00:11.07 | Adys | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16508297 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16510249 |
| 00:11.07 | Adys | etc |
| 00:11.26 | Adys | and i swear thats just an example |
| 00:11.35 | Adys | out of so many |
| 00:11.42 | Amarande | amro: heh, there was actually a panel at Dragon Con this year on the Electronic Frontiers track |
| 00:11.46 | Amarande | a *serious* panel |
| 00:11.49 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 00:11.51 | Amarande | about "why you should not use an antivirus" |
| 00:11.55 | DWSR | That's why my gaming rig runs only nVidia. |
| 00:12.04 | amro | yeah, you shouldn't |
| 00:12.09 | amro | the very idea is stupid beyond words |
| 00:12.14 | Jerub | Amarande: that's like anti-vaccination people :/ |
| 00:12.22 | amro | not at all |
| 00:12.26 | Adys | not necessarily |
| 00:12.33 | amro | that's like anti hiring a guy to remind you not to eat poop people |
| 00:13.22 | Adys | it's good to clean your system but antiviruses are pretty pointless |
| 00:13.37 | Jerub | no they're not :( |
| 00:13.54 | Adys | they're not if you have an actual need for them |
| 00:13.54 | amro | okay, there's one situation where they're not |
| 00:14.08 | amro | public access computers, because you can't trust random people |
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| 00:14.23 | Jerub | you make me sad :( |
| 00:14.25 | amro | other than that, lock down your system and whitelist your software |
| 00:14.39 | Jerub | and don't run adobe products. |
| 00:14.41 | Jerub | :P |
| 00:14.48 | Adys | lol |
| 00:14.54 | Adys | Jerub, Im not saying you *shouldnt* run an antivirus |
| 00:15.05 | Adys | Im saying you can just be fine without one |
| 00:15.26 | Jerub | only if you don't use the webbrowser, flash or pdf files. :P |
| 00:15.43 | Jerub | (seriously, my wow machine doesn't do any of those things for that reason, and i don't runa virus scanner on it) |
| 00:15.49 | Adys | only if you don't use chrome or a decent pdf viewer* |
| 00:15.56 | DWSR | Adys: Yes, case in point, I haven't used AV software in over 3 years. |
| 00:15.58 | DWSR | And never have one. |
| 00:16.02 | amro | I've been running xp for years without an anti virus and without issues |
| 00:16.04 | Jerub | * no pdf viewers meet this requirement. |
| 00:16.22 | amro | and trust me, I download a lot of stuff |
| 00:16.27 | Adys | Jerub: chrome's pdf viewer is just fine |
| 00:16.28 | amro | sometimes from shady corners of the internet |
| 00:16.28 | Adys | :p |
| 00:16.40 | amro | I'm partial to SumatraPDF |
| 00:17.23 | amro | I'm trying to find this epic article about the top 8 or so fails in computer security |
| 00:17.29 | amro | (including anti viruses) |
| 00:17.35 | amro | anyone know the one I'm talking about? I forgot the title |
| 00:18.23 | Jerub | there was the macafffe update that stopped windows from working |
| 00:18.54 | Adys | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/09/22/226247/Paleontologists-Discover-Worlds-Horniest-Dinosaur |
| 00:19.40 | amro | that's not even what I'm talking about jerub |
| 00:19.54 | amro | anti virus software hogs up your resources while still failing at its job |
| 00:20.02 | amro | a simple whitelist would do the trick |
| 00:21.07 | Jerub | whitelists don't protect you from programs loading executable code at runtime |
| 00:21.34 | Jerub | which is what both flash and pdf both do. |
| 00:21.34 | Jerub | hence the very large and vulnerable attack surface |
| 00:22.27 | sylvanaar | amro: i put an updated version of the plugin up, you can dl it from within the ide |
| 00:22.36 | amro | cool |
| 00:23.39 | amro | Jerub: there are some corner cases where you might need to scan stuff, but in all those cases you will know what to scan and when to scan it |
| 00:23.52 | amro | having a "resident" anti virus is wholly unnecessary |
| 00:24.29 | amro | if you receive a pdf from a friend whose computer you know probably has more viruses than a $10 whore, you scan it |
| 00:24.33 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 00:24.34 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 5h 43m 28s ago, saying: 'http://github.com/kimhyunkang/Combuctor'. |
| 00:24.42 | amro | most of the time, you won't need to scan stuff though |
| 00:24.43 | Adys | rawr :/ |
| 00:25.05 | amro | Jerub: http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ |
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| 00:32.30 | A-KO | amro: nothing wrong with a resident AV, in fact, one that scans things like download and temp files is good |
| 00:32.40 | A-KO | not to mention |
| 00:32.48 | amro | it's good for raping my harddrive and wasting my cpu time |
| 00:32.51 | A-KO | it's legally required to have at least some sort of AV in a business if you're handling certain types of data |
| 00:33.01 | A-KO | amro: so tell it to ignore file reads, only scan file writes |
| 00:33.10 | A-KO | use a modern AV, with a modern OS, which uses background processing |
| 00:33.16 | A-KO | and not foreground processing |
| 00:33.37 | amro | or I could stop accepting candy from strangers and only pull out the AV when I must deal with an untrustworthy source |
| 00:34.21 | A-KO | but that's not always the case anymore these days, unfortunately. |
| 00:34.25 | amro | I'm not going to scan hundreds of thousands of file writes over the years just to maybe catch one |
| 00:34.35 | A-KO | the amount of flash and adobe reader 0-days is pretty high |
| 00:34.41 | amro | not to mention, there's no guarantee it will catch it |
| 00:34.43 | A-KO | there's nothing wrong with a defense-in-depth solution |
| 00:34.54 | A-KO | You're correct, but with the amount of honeypots some of the large vendors run |
| 00:34.58 | A-KO | Amusingly enough |
| 00:35.00 | amro | no, but if you have sensitive materials on your computer, why are you browsing flash sites? |
| 00:35.10 | A-KO | heh |
| 00:35.19 | A-KO | you must not deal with C-level executives much :P |
| 00:36.08 | A-KO | Funny you mention "it might not catch it". Microsoft said one of the many ways they get malware is from malware writers actively submitting crash reports as they test new malware..... |
| 00:36.09 | A-KO | rofl |
| 00:36.11 | A-KO | sad but true |
| 00:36.18 | amro | haha |
| 00:36.32 | A-KO | you know the whole "Would you like to check with MS for a solution to this problem?" etc. |
| 00:37.33 | amro | A-KO: did you read that article? |
| 00:37.43 | A-KO | http://www.zdnet.com.au/hackers-accidentally-give-microsoft-their-code-339305548.htm |
| 00:37.44 | A-KO | yes |
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| 00:47.34 | Thunder_Child | the fact that i have to upgrade my computer for CIV V makes me a sad panda |
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| 00:48.23 | Jerub | i'm on the 12 turn program |
| 00:48.31 | Jerub | i've been clean 7 years now. |
| 00:48.47 | amro | 12 |
| 00:48.50 | amro | that's a lot |
| 00:49.18 | Jerub | especially since freeciv exists. |
| 00:50.14 | Jerub | i had someone offer me a go on freeciv ina web browser at a party once, and i was able to say no, but it was a close thing. |
| 00:51.47 | amro | you know, if you play it in incognito mode, nobody has to know... |
| 00:53.48 | Wobin | Jerub: do you identify as a 'social civ player'? |
| 00:54.52 | Jerub | Wobin: rather the opposite. |
| 00:55.08 | Wobin | the music is good! |
| 00:55.14 | Wobin | has Christopher Tin's album |
| 00:55.33 | Jerub | although, i've gotta sa,y i'm not as bad as a friends roommate. |
| 00:56.09 | Jerub | who uninstalled civ4 and gave the disks to a friend. |
| 00:56.20 | Jerub | survived two week sbefore driving over there to get the discs back. |
| 00:56.30 | Xyphoid | hey, if you buy it on steam you can download it from anywhere |
| 00:56.38 | Jerub | and got stuck in traffic on the way home, so opened his laptop and started installing it right there in the traffic jam. |
| 00:56.54 | Jerub | at that point he realised what a mess he was making of his life and quit for good. |
| 00:56.58 | Jerub | he's still clean i think. |
| 01:01.18 | amro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:23.48 | Motig | play game <--> write addon, what to do! :D |
| 01:26.40 | Seerah | is staring at the Civ5 box on her desk, but has work to get done first. I know! Install while work. *nod* |
| 01:26.46 | amro | write game |
| 01:26.47 | amro | play addon |
| 01:27.01 | Humbedooh | you can help me translate the SVG elliptical arc curve into Lua! |
| 01:27.13 | amro | Seerah: you know you're going to keep checking the installer and not get any work done right? |
| 01:27.21 | Seerah | .... maybe.... |
| 01:27.51 | Motig | oh man you have civ5 already |
| 01:28.10 | Motig | I played the demo today, first time playing a civ game |
| 01:28.18 | Motig | it seemed pretty cool, think I'll buy it |
| 01:28.26 | Seerah | Civ is so addicting |
| 01:28.41 | Seerah | I blame it for skipping several classes in college |
| 01:28.48 | Motig | the demo ended at 100 turns sadly :( |
| 01:29.35 | Seerah | hubby brought it home today, and I asked him at dinner if he had played it yet. His response: "no, I didn't play it for 2 hours today..." |
| 01:33.19 | alestane | Which means, "You're lucky I'm here eating dinner with you"? |
| 01:33.38 | Seerah | :) |
| 01:35.16 | DWSR | Anyone here know if it's possible to install Windows from inside a Linux Live environment? |
| 01:36.34 | Jerub | so will it be possible to buy cata on battle.net at release? |
| 01:36.39 | Jerub | or do i need to get a retail copy? |
| 01:37.16 | amro | I'm assuming yes, like sc2 |
| 01:37.40 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: i didnt think you could do it from inside windows |
| 01:38.05 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Well, I badly want to upgrade my desktop to Windows 7, problem is that the installer is incompatible with my CD drive. |
| 01:38.15 | DWSR | It boots the installer, but the installer fails to see itself. |
| 01:38.19 | DWSR | Or the CD drive it just booted from. |
| 01:38.37 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: can you not copy it to the HD then do it from there? |
| 01:38.45 | Thunder_Child | then use the disk after boot |
| 01:38.58 | DWSR | Hmmm.... |
| 01:39.04 | DWSR | I already have 2 partitions on the drive. |
| 01:39.13 | DWSR | I could just copy the contents of the CD and do the install that way, I suppose. |
| 01:39.37 | Jerub | DWSR: i have an idea... it's a bit nuts tho. |
| 01:39.55 | DWSR | If you're about to suggest USB, I can't. Mobo doesn't seem to support it. |
| 01:39.57 | Jerub | DWSR: if you can get vmware to work (server, player, etc) and point it to that phyiscal partition as the partition to install on. |
| 01:40.00 | DWSR | Though, it could just be the drive. |
| 01:40.09 | DWSR | Yeah, that's crazy. |
| 01:40.14 | Jerub | it'd work |
| 01:40.26 | Jerub | i think it's possible to network install windows. |
| 01:40.28 | DWSR | True enough. |
| 01:40.33 | DWSR | But it's supposed to be a gaming rig. |
| 01:40.51 | Seerah | amro: yay for Windows 7 :) progress bar for installing is displayed on the task bar button. :) |
| 01:40.51 | Jerub | DWSR: oh, no, i mean, use vmware to install it, then reboot into it. |
| 01:41.05 | DWSR | Wait..... WHAT? |
| 01:41.08 | DWSR | Oh, I see. |
| 01:41.14 | amro | Seerah: heh, neat, but I'd probably still stare at it |
| 01:41.34 | Seerah | not moving fast enough to |
| 01:41.53 | DWSR | I played an SC2 custom map the other day. |
| 01:41.56 | DWSR | It was a rally race. |
| 01:42.01 | DWSR | I was like........?!?!?!?!?! |
| 01:42.06 | DWSR | How does that even work? |
| 01:42.32 | Jerub | http://blog.ryantadams.com/2008/02/01/how-to-boot-from-the-network-pxe-boot-with-tftp-and-windows-pe/ |
| 01:42.43 | Jerub | (that's for vista, but instructions should work for windows 7) |
| 01:45.17 | DWSR | BIOS doesn't allow for PXE booting either |
| 01:45.38 | SqueeG | ljesus |
| 01:45.43 | SqueeG | how old is that board? |
| 01:45.51 | DWSR | Not that old, tbh. |
| 01:45.59 | DWSR | Oh wait. |
| 01:46.05 | DWSR | You actually do the installation from Windows PE? |
| 01:46.09 | DWSR | That's fucking genius. |
| 01:46.22 | DWSR | Thanks a ton Jerub |
| 01:57.35 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: yes. dunno why but the steam overlay isnt working in civ |
| 01:59.51 | SqueeG | because steam is le suck! |
| 02:00.06 | Thunder_Child | no, i prefer my games DLable |
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| 02:02.15 | kd3 | blah, that's what I get for leaving my laptop charger on my desk >.< |
| 02:02.18 | SqueeG | psh, what evs... still le suck ;) |
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| 02:06.33 | DWSR | lol, my laptop has 2 graphics cards in it? wtf? |
| 02:06.49 | DWSR | "switchable" graphics. |
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| 03:07.35 | Shirik | anyone read daily wtf? I just had one in my life |
| 03:10.59 | cog|away | notes the outpouring of Shirik love... |
| 03:11.06 | SqueeG | do share shirik |
| 03:11.23 | Shirik | I seriously don't understand how people can be this stupid |
| 03:11.35 | SqueeG | drive in jersey for a day :P |
| 03:11.43 | SqueeG | or boston *shudder* |
| 03:11.43 | Shirik | If you remember from yesterday, I got an email from one of the people working on a class project. We're using git and he couldn't clone the repository |
| 03:11.44 | cog|away | Shirik: you should've paid more attention in psych |
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| 03:12.10 | Shirik | so I finally got a response from him. In the command prompt, he typed the URL to the repository, with no command |
| 03:12.11 | Shirik | just the URL |
| 03:12.29 | SqueeG | lmao |
| 03:12.30 | Shirik | so I'm like "ok, fine" and tell him "That's not a command. You need to run `git clone git+ssh://...`" |
| 03:12.39 | Shirik | he sends another email to me |
| 03:12.42 | Adys | and he typed `git clone git+ssh://...` |
| 03:12.43 | Shirik | "That didn't work either" |
| 03:12.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:12.52 | Shirik | he typed exactly that |
| 03:12.54 | Shirik | like seriously |
| 03:13.10 | Shirik | how do you go into software engineering, be at the capstone course, and be incapable of thought |
| 03:13.32 | Wobin | fail him |
| 03:13.54 | Wobin | it can only help the industry in the long term |
| 03:15.08 | cogwheel | Wobin: natural does not optimize. It only optimizes "enough"... |
| 03:15.15 | cogwheel | natural selection* |
| 03:15.27 | cogwheel | (i.e. people like this don't get fired) |
| 03:15.48 | cogwheel | (or they pass their classes0 |
| 03:15.55 | cogwheel | s/0/fuck it/ |
| 03:16.30 | Jerub | http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1yByu3/www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/27/cal-to-offer-course-in-advanced-starcraft-theory/ |
| 03:17.10 | Shirik | I refuse to ever go to stumbleupon |
| 03:17.12 | Wobin | cogwheel: Satisficing |
| 03:17.29 | Wobin | Shirik: so just go to the latter half of the url |
| 03:17.47 | cogwheel | Shirik: ^ |
| 03:17.52 | cogwheel | dooo eeet |
| 03:19.02 | Wobin | cogwheel: I'd be interested to sit in on that course |
| 03:19.28 | Wobin | just to learn how the strategy works |
| 03:19.36 | cogwheel | plus the coeds... |
| 03:19.40 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 03:20.08 | cogwheel | (that was a joke... sc audience is like 96% male) |
| 03:23.34 | Shirik | does it contain a physical education segment? |
| 03:23.39 | Shirik | Reaching 300 APM requires a bit of workout |
| 03:24.58 | SqueeG | Torhal |
| 03:25.44 | Amarande | 11/12 |
| 03:25.45 | Amarande | 3.5 hr |
| 03:25.47 | Amarande | only one boss wipe |
| 03:26.06 | Jerub | Amarande: nice. |
| 03:26.31 | Jerub | my group wipes more, but we're picking random HMs to attempt |
| 03:26.54 | Torhal | SqueeG: Foo? |
| 03:27.04 | SqueeG | *apparently* |
| 03:27.34 | SqueeG | ARL_quick launch interferes with the focus option :p |
| 03:27.43 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 03:27.46 | SqueeG | quickmenu* |
| 03:28.16 | Torhal | If you're not typing /focus, you're doing it wrong. |
| 03:28.20 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:28.24 | SqueeG | shush you |
| 03:28.29 | Torhal | Seriously. |
| 03:28.38 | SqueeG | i'm lazy dammit! |
| 03:28.41 | Torhal | The UnitFrame menu's focus is borked |
| 03:28.45 | SqueeG | yea |
| 03:28.53 | Amarande | Jerub: I tried to get them to attempt heroic Blood Princes but they were like NO :) |
| 03:29.02 | Amarande | sadness, since that was the fight I got my OH upgrade from |
| 03:29.08 | SqueeG | but considering that's the only addon that's given me shit about it in a while :p figuired i'd mentionn it |
| 03:29.12 | SqueeG | ROAR TYPING |
| 03:30.12 | Torhal | "in a while"... |
| 03:30.26 | SqueeG | meaning since i started playing again |
| 03:30.32 | Torhal | The focus function is protected, and it even fucks up in the default UI |
| 03:30.32 | SqueeG | =p |
| 03:30.53 | Torhal | Not my problem, basically :D |
| 03:30.55 | SqueeG | and have been relegated to building a Ui around a laptop until the woman's PC is fixed |
| 03:31.05 | Jerub | thinks. |
| 03:31.06 | SqueeG | I BLAME YOU! |
| 03:31.13 | SqueeG | blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 03:31.25 | Jerub | we got 10/12 last week in our 4 hour slot, with HM LDW, Lewtship and Fester. |
| 03:31.26 | SqueeG | with your...fancy...words |
| 03:31.31 | Jerub | rotface we attempted but didn't get down |
| 03:31.31 | SqueeG | and things >.> |
| 03:31.47 | cogwheel | Jerub: that link was oooooooold (as was pointed out to me <.<) |
| 03:31.55 | Torhal | didn't realize "fucks" was all that fancy. |
| 03:32.14 | Jerub | we did HM attempts on rotface but didn't get him down |
| 03:32.57 | Amarande | I look at Sindy and see "50 of 50 heroic attempts remaining" |
| 03:33.05 | SqueeG | ah well :D night! |
| 03:33.09 | Amarande | and keep thinking "if you put this fight on heroic it should flash your local mental ward's number" :S |
| 03:33.45 | Jerub | Amarande: hm? i'd like to try that on hm. |
| 03:34.26 | Amarande | Jerub: do you still only get ten minutes, I presume? :| |
| 03:34.50 | Jerub | Amarande: don't know. haven't tried. |
| 03:35.18 | Jerub | i was reading in forums, some guilds with massive dps zerg her in p3 with 1 tank |
| 03:35.32 | Jerub | 1 healer, 1 tank, smashing iceblocks nearly as soon as they spawn. |
| 03:35.45 | cogwheel | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5096/capitalismho.jpg |
| 03:36.15 | Amarande | Jerub: we smashed iceblocks till she was down to about 500k and then I and the RL noticed things starting to go south so we started omgburning |
| 03:36.15 | Xyphoid | i've been looking at single tanking her since we seem to suck at getting an iceblock near the tanks |
| 03:36.34 | Amarande | and gods, was the end on BQL intense |
| 03:36.43 | Amarande | people were dying, I'm like OMGNOBURNBURN |
| 03:36.56 | Jerub | Xyphoid: our raid 2 tanks (I'm one of them) and our only problem is dps dying |
| 03:37.32 | Xyphoid | our primary problem was using fixed points for iceblocks and sindy sliding too far away due to that blistering cold leap thing i think |
| 03:37.41 | Jerub | Xyphoid: ah yes. |
| 03:37.50 | Jerub | we rotated her once and led her back a little last raid |
| 03:37.53 | Jerub | that worked fine |
| 03:37.55 | Amarande | Jerub: our trouble is usually we get double iceblocks at times because someone's too fast or too slow |
| 03:38.05 | Amarande | like I said before, Sindy is a mega choreography fight and for this reason above all others I despise it |
| 03:38.06 | Jerub | the call was just done for "pull her back" from RL and so i taunted from her tail |
| 03:38.29 | Amarande | Xyph: blistering cold ... makes me really really glad I'm a DK, basically. :) |
| 03:38.48 | Jerub | bear with 4T10 has enough CDs to not move during blistering cold |
| 03:38.50 | Xyphoid | i think i'll switch sides for air phases to keep her in one place |
| 03:38.58 | Wobin | Double Iceblocks |
| 03:39.01 | Wobin | all across the room |
| 03:39.11 | Jerub | Wobin: positioning fail. |
| 03:39.17 | Wobin | What does it mean? |
| 03:39.29 | Jerub | Wobin: positioning fail? |
| 03:39.36 | Wobin | woooaaah |
| 03:39.41 | Wobin | So intense |
| 03:40.00 | mikma | you need to spread on the stairs |
| 03:40.10 | Wobin | that's what -she- said |
| 03:40.24 | Jerub | mikma: in air phase or last phase? |
| 03:40.24 | Wobin | but yeah, we used the stair choreography |
| 03:40.35 | mikma | wobin: yeah, you need to listen and learn from your mothers words |
| 03:40.36 | Xyphoid | we've had exactly one night of attempts on her so far so it's been a whole lot of speculation and emails at work heh |
| 03:40.38 | Wobin | iceblocks at her front and back legs |
| 03:40.43 | Xyphoid | cool fight though |
| 03:40.59 | Wobin | everyone else in the middle |
| 03:41.04 | Amarande | Xyphoid: heh. glad you like it. |
| 03:41.07 | Amarande | like I said, I hate it :P |
| 03:41.14 | Amarande | my very least favorite fight in all of ICC |
| 03:41.19 | Wobin | Xyphoid: Heroic? |
| 03:41.22 | Xyphoid | no |
| 03:41.30 | Wobin | oh you'll like it |
| 03:41.33 | Wobin | til phase 3 |
| 03:41.44 | Wobin | then you'll be in phase 3 forever =P |
| 03:41.49 | Xyphoid | well, that's where we are |
| 03:41.52 | Xyphoid | p1 is fine |
| 03:43.49 | Xyphoid | blistering cold seemed weird, is the tank supposed to get pulled into the middle? i didn't appear to move |
| 03:44.01 | Wobin | http://wiki.angry.com.au/download/attachments/22609996/sindy-phase3-attempt2.jpg |
| 03:44.08 | Wobin | dunno if you can see that |
| 03:44.24 | Amarande | you know, sometimes I wonder if it would be better for raids to do the Frost wing first |
| 03:44.26 | Wobin | Xyphoid: the closer you are to her, the less you get pulled |
| 03:44.31 | Amarande | Frost, then Plagueworks, then Blood |
| 03:44.40 | Wobin | Amarande: you need good healers |
| 03:44.40 | Amarande | that way you come to Lich King psyched from BQL rather than exhausted from Sindy |
| 03:44.45 | Wobin | that know how to use the portals |
| 03:44.49 | Wobin | otherwise you fail |
| 03:44.58 | Xyphoid | we got valithria down before blood council |
| 03:45.01 | Wobin | and that's not something you pick up as a pug easily |
| 03:45.19 | Amarande | yeah we started pretty much as a pug and evolved into a guild group |
| 03:45.36 | Amarande | btw, is this likely the last week of raiding before 4.0 or do you think we have one more? |
| 03:45.53 | Wobin | Amarande: I hope so =P We just downed Sindy |
| 03:46.00 | Wobin | so we have a day of hitting the LK =) |
| 03:46.16 | Amarande | although I can kinda see them releasing 4.0 during brewfest, unlike my first impression which was that they wouldn't :S |
| 03:46.34 | Amarande | releasing 4.0 during brewfest means that everyone has an easy boss everyone queues for to cut their teeth on with the new skill stuff |
| 03:46.48 | Amarande | a boss nobody really takes seriously after the first time or so a day heh |
| 03:48.36 | Xyphoid | hope 4.0 doesn't break raid extensions |
| 03:51.00 | cogwheel | destiny cloud fist builds Fisker |
| 03:55.22 | Amarande | Xyph: most raids are more concerned about the time it's going to take to relearn classes |
| 03:55.32 | Amarande | and how much the tank threat changes are going to force them to relearn entire fights |
| 03:55.53 | Zhinjio | Evening folks. I won't spam you with this message but maybe once a week until the rosters lock down... I'm going to be running a for-fun fantasy hockey league again this year. Low pressure, low time commitment, no cash commitment, and grand prize is one year of bragging rights. If that sounds interesting to you, please PM me! |
| 03:57.37 | Shirik | ~wiki Life |
| 03:57.59 | Dagmar | Grammar fail. |
| 03:59.18 | Jerub | Amarande: brewfest boss has a TTL of 15 seconds |
| 04:01.58 | Amarande | yeah, thankfully |
| 04:02.04 | Amarande | since I managed to queue for it tonight as tank in my DPS stuff |
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| 04:12.39 | Jerub | Amarande: meh, the dps queue is 2 minutes on my battlegroup |
| 04:12.56 | Jerub | even with 8 dps toons you should hit the instance-per-hour limit |
| 04:13.28 | Dagmar | I'm not ure there's a limit on him |
| 04:13.51 | Dagmar | We did it so many times in a row so fast last night my eyes went blurry |
| 04:15.56 | Jerub | Dagmar: okay, well, have a cup of hot chocolate and a bath aftewards, because it's 5 instances per hour, and you can't enter raids after spamming him |
| 04:16.47 | Dagmar | Okay, the limit isn't checked on him then. We absolutely did it more than five times |
| 04:17.17 | Jerub | it increments the limit tho. got locked out of RS |
| 04:17.22 | Jerub | counter, not limit. |
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| 04:30.41 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah yesterday we had all kinds of problems with VOA because of coren |
| 04:30.51 | Jerub | hehehe |
| 04:30.55 | Jerub | this is why i do coren before work |
| 04:30.56 | Jerub | :P |
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| 04:40.21 | Jerub | i got the remote and the kodo yesterday |
| 04:40.25 | Jerub | and the ram the day before |
| 04:40.30 | Xyphoid | is the remote from the bag now? |
| 04:40.35 | Jerub | too bad they're all on different toons |
| 04:40.35 | Jerub | yes |
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| 04:50.17 | Napoleone | anyone can point me in the direction of making a simple 200 by 200 messageframe with standard font. black background and placed dead center on screen. with the line Hey Frame in the bottom |
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| 04:54.47 | Napoleone | dam router |
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| 05:16.14 | Wobin | got the kodo on my first run |
| 05:19.12 | Amarande | Wobin: Di... ok, I guess I can't tell you to die for that |
| 05:19.20 | Amarande | my warlock got the Rivendare mount on her first Strath run after all |
| 05:19.53 | Wobin | I hate starting the direbrew as a warrior tank |
| 05:20.02 | Wobin | cause everyone instantly goes full out |
| 05:20.07 | Wobin | and you sit there with no rage |
| 05:20.35 | Wobin | I might wait til the healer gets aggro, then just intervene =P |
| 05:21.03 | Amarande | yeah that's definitely one advantage of a pally or a DK |
| 05:21.14 | Amarande | I'm guessing druid tanks have the same trouble as warriors |
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| 05:23.36 | Xyphoid | looks like you don't really need to tank it these days |
| 05:24.03 | Wobin | Amarande: nah, I can powershift as a druid for instant 10 rage |
| 05:24.03 | Fisker | NONONO |
| 05:24.07 | Fisker | you're doing it all wrong :( |
| 05:24.22 | Wobin | well, my answer to it |
| 05:24.22 | Fisker | when you get fooled by a marketing stunt you don't report that, because then people know the service is up again |
| 05:24.23 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:24.24 | Wobin | is not to start it |
| 05:24.39 | Wobin | and charge in |
| 05:24.49 | Wobin | although it's still hard for initial aggro |
| 05:24.56 | Wobin | cause dps are shits |
| 05:25.05 | Amarande | let's put it this way ... I tanked coren tonight in my DPS gear and spec |
| 05:25.18 | Amarande | of course, that's nothing difficult given that I *am* a 5742 frost DK but still :) |
| 05:25.28 | Wobin | yes exactly |
| 05:25.39 | Jerub | Wobin: you're 5/5 furor? |
| 05:25.41 | Wobin | people think that because they outgear it |
| 05:25.52 | Wobin | they're fine, lrn2play |
| 05:25.58 | Wobin | go go go |
| 05:25.59 | Wobin | go |
| 05:26.00 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.30 | Jerub | Wobin: my problemw ith direbrew is that i have no time for spec change |
| 05:26.41 | Jerub | so i heal in bear spec in healer gear, IF i hit the button before combat starts |
| 05:27.51 | Wobin | don't queue in the wrong spec? |
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| 05:28.44 | Xyphoid | you queue as only one spec? |
| 05:29.04 | Wobin | pft easier to heal in bear spec imo |
| 05:29.13 | Wobin | you don't have to hit accept til you're ready anyway |
| 05:29.13 | Xyphoid | i don't think it's an issue though, given that he's usually half dead by the time brd loads for me |
| 05:29.27 | Amarande | Wobin: well, when I went to AoA with guildies after that I used my proper tank spec and gear |
| 05:29.39 | Amarande | but I forgot I left it set to tank after last night's coren so that's what I ended up going tonight as |
| 05:31.42 | Jerub | anyone here know what ISAPI is for? |
| 05:31.48 | Jerub | my wife is asking :P |
| 05:31.58 | Amarande | also a glance at this and you can tell why I wanted to goad my RL into doing princes on heroic ... |
| 05:31.59 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka |
| 05:32.16 | Amarande | Internet Server Application Programming Interface, Jerub |
| 05:32.23 | Xyphoid | it's for IIS, it's the plugin interface |
| 05:32.29 | Amarande | it's the API for Microsoft Internet Information Suck |
| 05:32.35 | Xyphoid | equivalent of apache server modules |
| 05:33.05 | Amarande | (really, what's the point of using IIS ... just use Apache like everyone else :P) |
| 05:33.44 | Amarande | and mind you, I'm not totally anti-MS |
| 05:34.01 | Fisker | kisses Wobin |
| 05:34.19 | Amarande | I've happily used Vista for a couple years now, and I have to think that Silverlight is far better coded than Flash (then again, a middle school kid's Hello World program is better coded than Flash) |
| 05:34.29 | Amarande | but ... please stick to UNIX type platforms for servers. :) |
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| 05:35.37 | Xyphoid | is isapi still current? i haven't used it since 2005 or so |
| 05:35.56 | Amarande | I don't know ... like I said, I wouldn't touch IIS :) |
| 05:36.43 | Amarande | takes a belated celebratory shot of rum for having done 11/12 ICC in 3.5 hours (actually 3, since we got started a little late) with only one wipe. |
| 05:37.01 | Amarande | and to think that a month and a half ago we were just a PUG cutting our teeth on ICC, pretty much |
| 05:37.12 | Amarande | hell, I actually screwed up on *gunship* the first week |
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| 05:37.26 | Amarande | granted, we didn't really have any trouble but ... apparently I forgot to grab the rocket pack LOL |
| 05:37.46 | Amarande | so I had to stick to gunning and DPSing adds on our ship and didn't get to go on away team like I was supposed to :| |
| 05:39.24 | Amarande | I think the only time we've ever failed on lootship was the first time we tried it on heroic, and a tank death was involved |
| 05:43.01 | Amarande | odd ... wowprogress still hasn't updated my guild affiliation, even though it's updated my gear and all that other jazz that's on the armory |
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| 05:50.14 | Fisker | sniffs kd3 |
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| 06:10.39 | Wobin | http://twitpic.com/2r33xs |
| 06:13.19 | Adys | Wobin: wtf is that |
| 06:13.31 | Adys | oh |
| 06:13.33 | Adys | parking ticket |
| 06:15.10 | Fisker | do you have rights in your country Wobin ? |
| 06:15.25 | Fisker | oh |
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| 06:15.32 | Wobin | Fisker, can you please just shut the hell up? |
| 06:16.02 | Fisker | no Wobin |
| 06:16.15 | Fisker | well actually i guess i could |
| 06:16.22 | Fisker | but i won't |
| 06:16.23 | Wobin | Cairenn: Could you please ask Fisker to stop with the goddamn trolling about my country? |
| 06:16.29 | Jerub | how do i track the proc rate of my 4T10 bonus (rejuv being infectious) ? |
| 06:16.31 | Wobin | I'm sick and tired of it |
| 06:16.39 | Wobin | it's not even slightly funny |
| 06:16.44 | Wobin | cause he makes no effort |
| 06:16.46 | Cairenn | fisker: enough |
| 06:16.50 | Fisker | no |
| 06:16.53 | Fisker | not enough infact |
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| 06:17.01 | Fisker | I thought he gotten a parking ticket infact |
| 06:17.06 | Jerub | omg |
| 06:17.10 | Jerub | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/september/returngraveyard.jpg |
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| 06:17.20 | Wobin | Thank you |
| 06:17.23 | Cairenn | the next will be a kickban |
| 06:17.24 | Fisker | what about letting people explain themselves first? |
| 06:17.34 | Wobin | Like -that's- ever stopped you? |
| 06:17.48 | Fisker | Instead of just letting some whiny bitch have the word? |
| 06:18.25 | Cairenn | Fisker: you troll constantly, it's a well known fact - some of the time you are amusing, a lot of the time you are annoying, and sometimes you're right over the line |
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| 06:18.34 | Fisker | I wasn't trolling about his country, and i thought by Adys' comment he had gotten a parking ticket for reals |
| 06:18.49 | Fisker | When i saw the link it turned out he did |
| 06:18.49 | Cairenn | so if you've been asked to stop because something bugs someone, have the courtesy to stop already |
| 06:18.53 | Fisker | as seen by m "oh" |
| 06:19.01 | Fisker | I've not started anything |
| 06:19.12 | Cairenn | Wobin: grow a thicker skin :p |
| 06:19.18 | Wobin | Fisker: indeed, if you'd actually looked at the link you'd see 1) it's not me, and 2) Cambridge |
| 06:19.46 | Wobin | so, from previous experience you immediately try to flip it back to 'omg Australia, haha' |
| 06:19.58 | Wobin | evidence notwithstanding |
| 06:20.00 | Cairenn | end of discussion guys - move on |
| 06:20.20 | Fisker | sure |
| 06:20.22 | Cairenn | at the very least, take it to tells |
| 06:20.47 | Fisker | What i meant was just that we also have a lot of parking tickets, and here they usually do it without being legally able to |
| 06:20.54 | Fisker | so many parking tickets can simply be shrugged off |
| 06:20.56 | Fisker | anyway work |
| 06:21.00 | zenzio | see, this would all be no issue if you just ignored Fisker entirely |
| 06:21.11 | Fisker | good point zenzio |
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| 06:21.42 | Mihau | ~~Fisker-- |
| 06:21.48 | Mihau | Not sure if that works... |
| 06:22.10 | Mihau | !karma Fisker |
| 06:22.26 | Wobin | just one ~ |
| 06:22.34 | Mihau | ~Wobin++ |
| 06:22.43 | Mihau | Eh, what ever. Going to bed. :O |
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| 07:01.38 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/22/funny-pictures-where-is-my-ceiling/ |
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| 07:03.52 | zenzio | "Star Trek Enterprise Pizza Cutter" o_O |
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| 07:22.11 | Fisker | did blizzard ever make the mobile armory for android? |
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| 07:27.02 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 07:27.36 | bluspacecow | anyone else having problems loading us.battle.net in a web browser ? |
| 07:29.30 | zenzio | it appears to give me an error |
| 07:29.59 | zenzio | nevermind, now it loaded |
| 07:30.20 | bluspacecow | yeah up now |
| 07:30.37 | bluspacecow | can you do an nslookup on us.battle.net and tell me what ip you get ? |
| 07:31.10 | zenzio | 12.129.242.40 |
| 07:31.26 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what it was before when it wasnt loaded |
| 07:31.35 | bluspacecow | ill chalk it up to internets hiccup |
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| 07:36.26 | airtonix | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 07:36.46 | bluspacecow | interesting |
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| 07:36.55 | bluspacecow | like downornot.com |
| 07:37.15 | zenzio | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com - clever hobbitses |
| 07:37.16 | unfo- | downornot.com sounds like hot or not but for down syndrome. |
| 07:38.17 | zenzio | we should make a WoW version, "HoT or DoT" |
| 07:38.49 | airtonix | ? |
| 07:38.55 | airtonix | is it a hot |
| 07:38.57 | airtonix | or |
| 07:38.58 | airtonix | a |
| 07:39.00 | airtonix | dot |
| 07:39.43 | unfo- | :D |
| 07:39.43 | zenzio | more like "would you put a HoT or a DoT on this person" |
| 07:39.44 | unfo- | lol |
| 07:40.10 | airtonix | submit a screenshot : [___________________}[upload] |
| 07:40.14 | airtonix | 5min later |
| 07:40.38 | airtonix | "We were unable to determine wether fiskers mum was in the picture. please try again." |
| 07:42.32 | airtonix | http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi2828009753/ |
| 07:46.03 | airtonix | meh |
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| 07:52.55 | Fisker | oh u airtonix |
| 07:53.02 | Fisker | pl0x stop trolling me .( |
| 07:53.15 | bluspacecow | but its how we show we love you ! |
| 07:53.24 | Fisker | aww |
| 07:53.48 | airtonix | would you like a tissue? |
| 07:53.58 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:54.01 | airtonix | they're extra soft |
| 07:54.03 | Fisker | but i want to play SNES on my PS3 |
| 07:54.32 | airtonix | so you are unable to install linux on ps3? |
| 07:56.06 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:56.09 | Fisker | but i got 3.41 |
| 07:56.12 | Fisker | so i can hax it |
| 07:56.46 | airtonix | so playing snes then ? |
| 07:58.53 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:58.54 | Fisker | working |
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| 08:16.13 | industrial | "I emailed a major pharmaceutical firm asking why their $500 version of a generic drug is worth the $490 premium. A rep sent me this accidental response (I am not Jim)." <-- I do not understand this. He is trying to buy a drug (from a commercial firm, ew, we have apothecaries (government!) for that) for $500? and then what about the $490? WHat's the relationship and what's a premium :S |
| 08:16.37 | industrial | and if a premium has anything to do with trying something before you buy then I am even more awestruck. o_O |
| 08:16.49 | foxlit | industrial: generic obviously costs 10$ |
| 08:17.40 | industrial | well that wasnt so obvious for me. why does he mention 500 and 490 and not just 10 ? |
| 08:18.10 | foxlit | because big numbers are more dramatic :) |
| 08:18.17 | Corrodias | he must be asking them why their generic one costs $500 and someone else's generic is $10 |
| 08:18.28 | foxlit | buying something at a premium means paying more for it than you would've otherwise |
| 08:18.42 | industrial | ah. |
| 08:18.43 | bluspacecow | but getting extra for it |
| 08:18.50 | Corrodias | because if it's obvious to me why the people who did the research ask for more money than the people who didn't, then it's pretty damn obvious. |
| 08:18.59 | Corrodias | i am oblivious. |
| 08:19.00 | zenzio | I'm not sure you necessarily get more for it |
| 08:19.18 | foxlit | I don't think you do, either. |
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| 08:19.41 | zenzio | I was buying some pills for iron (since apparently my blood is slightly lacking in iron), and the woman at the pharmacy gave me a few options, some more expensive. I asked what the difference was, and she just said "price" |
| 08:19.48 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 08:19.52 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:20.05 | mitch0 | zenzio: :) |
| 08:20.23 | bluspacecow | i just looked it up on teh dictionary and you guys are right |
| 08:20.44 | mitch0 | zenzio: btw, my grandpa just stuch an iron nail or two in an apple for a night and ate it in the morning. el-cheapo |
| 08:20.53 | zenzio | I think the main reason they make more expensive drugs is because there are many people who don't like buying "cheap" stuff - they need to feel superior |
| 08:20.56 | mitch0 | s/stuch/stuck/ |
| 08:21.10 | zenzio | mitch0: interesting solution :-o |
| 08:21.35 | Elkano | hmm... ok... leveling a new char... 7 players in my current zone... all paladins... is there something I missed? |
| 08:21.37 | mitch0 | (obviously he pulled the nail(s) before eating said apple :) |
| 08:21.49 | mitch0 | the other classes |
| 08:21.52 | zenzio | mitch0: hehe |
| 08:22.41 | mitch0 | he also liked sandwitches with marmalade+sausages... |
| 08:22.47 | Codayus | For some stuff, there also may be a little more confidence that they'll actually have the right amount/strength/freshness/type of the active ingredient. Might not matter much for iron, but not all herbal supplements are created equal. |
| 08:23.11 | zenzio | Codayus: that's a valid point |
| 08:23.14 | foxlit | "our witchcraft is the best witchcraft!" |
| 08:23.30 | Corrodias | most all vitamin supplements give me a powerful stomachache |
| 08:23.39 | zenzio | I only buy drugs with extra-high placebo content |
| 08:23.45 | Corrodias | it's annoying. i want to take one, but the few that don't... i'm not sure if they are being effective. |
| 08:24.01 | cbreak_work | just eat fruits. |
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| 08:24.41 | bluspacecow | ~dict domain of noreply@blizzard.com designates 12.129.242.48 as permitted sender |
| 08:24.41 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 08:24.41 | bluspacecow | ~wiki premium |
| 08:24.50 | Corrodias | if i ate everything that's recommended, i think i'd eat three times my actual calorie intake. |
| 08:24.58 | Corrodias | er, usage. |
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| 08:35.25 | airtonix | Corrodias, banannas, small pineapples, avocados, mandarins |
| 08:35.46 | airtonix | large amounts of fatty lamb curry |
| 08:36.03 | airtonix | lots of imported indian goats milk |
| 08:36.10 | airtonix | and lots of walking |
| 08:36.32 | airtonix | oh and use brown sugar instead of white sugar |
| 08:36.52 | airtonix | real coffee instead of coffee flavoured dishwashing powder |
| 08:37.46 | airtonix | but if you're metabolism is really high, just take lots of cocaine |
| 08:40.05 | airtonix | btw |
| 08:40.25 | airtonix | what are the ten things you need to know before using a zero-gravity toilet ? |
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| 08:48.42 | Corrodias | i sure don't know |
| 08:48.46 | Corrodias | but i'm going to bed |
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| 09:08.51 | zenzio | "I created a dwarf male hunter, because I thought the intro with a dwarf hunter and bear pet in the snow was totally badass. So I created him an began playing, almost got to lvl 10 so I could do the EPIC quest line of taming a hunter." |
| 09:09.01 | zenzio | now that's an amusing typo |
| 09:10.54 | unfo- | i miss my hunter |
| 09:11.07 | nevcairiel | i want to play a worgen hunter post-cataclysm |
| 09:12.58 | nevcairiel | One thing still puzzles me about hunters though. Why did they want focus? It totally cuts down on their burst capabilities |
| 09:16.09 | Fisker | alliance sucks nevcairiel |
| 09:16.24 | Fisker | but i want one for the plainsrunning |
| 09:16.57 | nevcairiel | i should level my worgen to 20 on the beta to get the ability to check it out |
| 09:18.41 | Fisker | when do we get our damn mobile armory for android? |
| 09:24.06 | cbreak_work | doesn't android have a web browser? |
| 09:26.21 | Jerub | so today i ran into the ninja i reported 2 weeks ago |
| 09:26.32 | Jerub | still wearing the trinket they stole. |
| 09:26.38 | Jerub | :( |
| 09:26.42 | Jerub | i'm sadface now |
| 09:27.07 | nevcairiel | cbreak_work: sure it does |
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| 09:29.39 | cbreak_work | Jerub: ninjaing isn't against the rules of blizzard afaik |
| 09:30.11 | unfo- | Jerub, how did they ninja it? in a raid or heroic? |
| 09:35.52 | Jerub | 25man. |
| 09:35.58 | Jerub | icc. using master looter |
| 09:36.27 | Jerub | cbreak_work: stealing gear by breaking stated loot rules is. |
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| 09:38.33 | Jerub | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=17761&parentCategoryId&pageNumber=1&categoryId=2413 <- it falls under 'scam' |
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| 09:40.07 | unfo- | Jerub, so basically blizz would have to go back and go through all of the raid logs from your icc25 to confirm that some rules were set down since beginning and not altered before said person got loot? |
| 09:42.34 | Jerub | sure. |
| 09:43.19 | Jerub | it was pretty obvious.... they looted it then 6 people dropped group all at once, followed by everoyne saying, "wtf just happened" |
| 09:46.18 | foxlit | nevcairiel: i should level my worgen to 20 on the beta to get the ability to check it out << it's broken atm |
| 09:46.30 | foxlit | The animations aren't there yet, you just run faster. |
| 09:46.38 | nevcairiel | it'll take me 3 patches to reach that level anyway |
| 09:46.40 | cbreak_work | Jerub: from the Q&A: I grouped with a "ninja-looter," can I get the item that I am entitled to returned? |
| 09:46.40 | cbreak_work | Players that loot an item out of turn or against the group's wishes do not meet the criteria for scamming, and will not be investigated by the GM Staff. For more information, please see our related policy here |
| 09:47.13 | airtonix | "out of turn" |
| 09:47.16 | airtonix | define ^ |
| 09:47.26 | cbreak_work | http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_GB&articleId=17382 |
| 09:47.29 | Dashkal | Blue posts have said the opposite.... |
| 09:47.57 | nevcairiel | I believe inviting you to a raid under false pretense by the leader, and abusing your trust is a scam they do recognize |
| 09:48.10 | nevcairiel | which would need to happen when you use master loot |
| 09:48.22 | nevcairiel | When someone rolls need when he was not supposed to |
| 09:48.27 | nevcairiel | well, your loss for not using master loot |
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| 10:20.21 | Adys | Today a federal court in Madrid dismissed charges of copyright infringement against YouTube. This decision is a clear victory for the Internet and the rules that govern it. Spanish broadcaster Telecinco had claimed that YouTube should be liable when users upload copyright-infringing material. |
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| 10:24.22 | airtonix | i'm suing you for using my patented words |
| 10:24.37 | airtonix | "is", "the" "and" |
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| 10:39.53 | Kalroth | I'm suing you for using my patented character |
| 10:39.55 | Kalroth | " " |
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| 11:30.29 | zenzio | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8015180/MI6-used-bodily-fluids-as-invisible-ink.html - now there's something you wouldn't expect James Bond to do |
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| 12:20.40 | zenzio | stackoverflow... how can you, as a site for coders, use Comic Sans MS in one of your own banners :-( |
| 12:21.13 | unfo- | zenzio, for exactly that reason - it is an inside joke for programmers? |
| 12:21.29 | cbreak_work | it was made by web developers |
| 12:21.31 | zenzio | there is no excuse for using Comic Sans MS! |
| 12:21.32 | cbreak_work | not real programmers |
| 12:21.43 | Jerub | zenzio: it's a site for coders. |
| 12:21.56 | zenzio | Jerub: and? |
| 12:21.57 | Jerub | developed and funded in part by the guy who is responsible for dates in excel and vb |
| 12:22.17 | zenzio | that's no excuse for using Comic Sans MS |
| 12:22.20 | Jerub | who, to this day, thinks his design flaws are features. |
| 12:22.42 | Jerub | goes to bed wearing his die spolsky, die, pajamans. |
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| 12:55.18 | amro | Jerub: where'd you get em? I'd like a pair. |
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| 13:06.40 | Xinhuan | this is getting dumb |
| 13:06.50 | Torhal | ? |
| 13:06.51 | Xinhuan | my account has been locked 3 times over 3 days |
| 13:06.58 | Torhal | o.O |
| 13:07.17 | Xinhuan | although they will send the email to unlock/change password (usually 30 min after the fact) |
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| 13:21.16 | Ackis | Xinhuan: are you being hacked? |
| 13:21.43 | Xinhuan | i doubt it |
| 13:21.49 | Xinhuan | i have a phsyical authenticator |
| 13:22.04 | Xinhuan | and my last login dates and times on SC2 and wow are correct |
| 13:22.18 | Ackis | I wouldn't put all my faith into the authenticator |
| 13:22.27 | Xinhuan | and the email is only sent on my login attempt that it is locked |
| 13:22.32 | Xinhuan | get what i mean? |
| 13:22.35 | Ackis | yeah |
| 13:22.51 | Xinhuan | and i haven't rebooted my PC for like 2 weeks, so i'm logging in from the same IP address all the time |
| 13:22.51 | Ackis | maybe people are just trying to brute force in and they lock after a certain number of attemtps? /shrug |
| 13:22.53 | nevcairiel | They noticed you ran out of problems with the beta downloader, so they gave you new ones |
| 13:23.06 | Xinhuan | i haven't even logged in beta for a month? lol |
| 13:23.12 | Xinhuan | or even tried to login |
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| 13:24.29 | jnwhiteh | would someone mind pinging me if they see a new beta build? |
| 13:24.34 | jnwhiteh | I'm waiting for some changes to come through =) |
| 13:24.54 | Ackis | will ping you with the ¬ key. |
| 13:25.00 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 13:25.06 | nevcairiel | so i'm supposed to get a new table today, and they were supposed to call an hour before delivery so i could make sure to be here. But its 15:30 already, and not even a call yet .. wonder if they'll make it.. |
| 13:25.10 | jnwhiteh | I have ± and § as well =) |
| 13:25.21 | Ackis | lol |
| 13:27.52 | zenzio | nevcairiel: here you go {} |
| 13:28.07 | nevcairiel | but its empty =( |
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| 13:29.53 | nevcairiel | I bet when i start preparing food, they'll be here in the exact moment where i can't leave the kitchen :p |
| 13:31.32 | Thunder_Child | http://www.partybell.com/p-7550-jabba-the-hutt-inflatable-adult-costume.aspx |
| 13:32.53 | zenzio | O_o |
| 13:33.23 | nevcairiel | just need one of http://www.partybell.com/p-1952-star-wars-princess-leia-slave-adult-costume.aspx for your girl friend to go with it |
| 13:34.57 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:35.25 | nevcairiel | sorry fisker, this only works if you have a girlfriend |
| 13:35.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:36.30 | Xinhuan | wow |
| 13:36.33 | Xinhuan | this is fucked up |
| 13:36.43 | Xinhuan | i unlocked my account 20 min ago |
| 13:36.51 | Xinhuan | my ISP d/cs everyone on it |
| 13:37.00 | Xinhuan | i relog and it says account is locked again |
| 13:37.15 | Xinhuan | to protect hacking attempts on me |
| 13:38.17 | zenzio | this is your battle.net account being locked? |
| 13:38.46 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 13:38.50 | Xinhuan | i just unlocked it again |
| 13:42.40 | jnwhiteh | Very weird |
| 13:42.50 | jnwhiteh | is someone filling out the account recovery form |
| 13:42.57 | jnwhiteh | in a new form of DOS against your account? |
| 13:43.27 | Xinhuan | i don't think so |
| 13:43.37 | Xinhuan | because the email to unlock my account is only sent when i try to log in |
| 13:43.51 | Xinhuan | otherwise it would have been sent hours ago if it was someone else trying to login |
| 13:44.16 | jnwhiteh | ah, they must have an 'asian on a US server' filter |
| 13:44.19 | jnwhiteh | damn warden =) |
| 13:44.29 | Xinhuan | lol |
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| 13:45.31 | Xinhuan | they don't even send the email immediately sometimes |
| 13:45.45 | Xinhuan | took 20 min for me to recieve it once |
| 13:45.53 | jnwhiteh | I've never heard of this system! |
| 13:48.26 | Xinhuan | basically on detecting suspicious activity, they lock your account, and send u an email with a link |
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| 13:48.34 | Xinhuan | that's like 50 chars long |
| 13:48.58 | Xinhuan | that can only be used to reset password (or call them personally) |
| 13:49.00 | jnwhiteh | with no recourse for getting the issue resolved if this continues to happen? =0- |
| 13:49.03 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:49.05 | Computerpunk | Sup? ;o |
| 13:49.08 | jnwhiteh | have you tried calling them to report it? |
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| 13:49.38 | Xinhuan | nope, its only the 3rd time so far so lol |
| 13:54.10 | Fisker | jnwhiteh they shouldn't have that |
| 13:54.19 | Fisker | they have a "OMG CHANGING IPS FAST"-filter |
| 13:54.27 | Fisker | maybe they have a "omg known gold sellers"-filter too? |
| 13:54.51 | Ackis | Today, I put an anonymous note under my neighbour's door asking them to not have sex so loudly during the day. Since then, I haven't heard any sex. Unfortunately, I have heard a woman crying loudly because she just found out about her husband's affair. FML |
| 13:54.52 | Ackis | lol |
| 13:54.57 | Ackis | hey Fisker how is Civ 5? |
| 13:55.00 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: hahaha |
| 13:55.11 | Fisker | better than you Ackis |
| 13:55.13 | zenzio | Ackis: lol |
| 13:55.30 | Fisker | that's not a FML but a FY |
| 13:55.53 | Fisker | http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/039/879/original/Fuck_Yea.PNG?1266163464 <- |
| 13:55.58 | Fisker | make one Ackis |
| 13:56.28 | Computerpunk | Ackis, rofl. |
| 13:58.36 | zenzio | "Dave Moorhouse was elated when he was informed that a microchip provider had information on the whereabouts of his stolen dog. This joy soon faded when the company informed him that it could not divulge the Jack Russell terrier's location because it would breach the Data Protection Act. Last week a court agreed with the chip company and refused Mr Moorhouse's request for a court order compelling them to reveal the name and address of the new owners." |
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| 13:59.49 | nevcairiel | oi, they finally called, yay |
| 14:02.17 | amro | zenzio: source? that's confusing |
| 14:02.26 | zenzio | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/09/23/1256203/Man-Prevented-From-Finding-Chipped-Pet-Under-Data-Protection-Act |
| 14:06.19 | Ackis | seems a bastardization of the law as it's being used to protect a thief... privacy legislation always has ways for law enforcement to get around it if needed |
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| 14:08.35 | ZorbaTHut | accused thieves are citizens too. I agree with this position on the law. Note that one of the comments says it's almost certain that all he has to do is get a court order for the data. |
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| 14:09.54 | nevcairiel | Didnt a court rule in favor of the company? |
| 14:10.07 | ZorbaTHut | yes, but that was "I want the data, give it to me" |
| 14:10.22 | ZorbaTHut | not "my dog has been stolen, as part of the criminal proceedings we need the data" |
| 14:11.14 | ZorbaTHut | he apparently hasn't bothered to file suit for the theft of his dog yet, he just wants the address of the people who have a dog that he's informally claimed was stolen. |
| 14:12.15 | nevcairiel | dogs run away alot. Guess the police would get kinda annoyed when every claimed theft was to be investigated to the full extent of the law |
| 14:13.11 | ZorbaTHut | maybe, but it's still theft, and it can be filed as a civil suit not a criminal one |
| 14:14.47 | nevcairiel | can you even file a civil suit against unknown parties? |
| 14:14.51 | amro | wasn't the whole point of chipping the dog being able to know where it is? |
| 14:14.54 | nevcairiel | i thought that would only work with criminal |
| 14:15.13 | amro | it seems kinda pointless if he can't be given that information |
| 14:15.24 | nevcairiel | its just money melking :p |
| 14:15.43 | nevcairiel | milking* |
| 14:15.55 | ZorbaTHut | nev, yeah, you can. how do you think the RIAA lawsuits work? :) |
| 14:16.09 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1280946453611.jpg |
| 14:17.06 | ZorbaTHut | "Microchipping is a method of permanent identification and does not provide proof of ownership. If somebodyâs dog has been stolen and an ownership dispute arises then this needs to be reported to the police, who can demand that details of the dogâs location be disclosed, where appropriate." |
| 14:17.09 | ZorbaTHut | that pretty much says it all |
| 14:17.40 | amro | so... why doesn't he file with the cops? |
| 14:17.44 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/catfromtable.gif |
| 14:17.51 | Ackis | cops are corrupt bastards who don't give a shit |
| 14:18.06 | Ackis | they have more important things to do like eating donuts |
| 14:18.22 | amro | and making sure your civilization doesn't descend into anarchy |
| 14:18.26 | amro | but nice to know you appreciate that |
| 14:19.03 | ZorbaTHut | amro, I don't know why he doesn't. He probably should. |
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| 14:19.22 | Adys | amro: i thought you were giving civ5 advice there until i read up |
| 14:19.24 | Ackis | I should appreciate cops who I've seen lie during court testimony? |
| 14:19.32 | Ackis | I don't think so |
| 14:20.25 | Ackis | law enforcement who considers "preventing us from descending into anarchy" giving traffic tickets and then not bothering to investigate real crimes because they're too busy? |
| 14:21.22 | amro | you shouldn't generalize from a few bad apples |
| 14:21.44 | Ackis | there's more bad apples in law enforcement than there are good apples |
| 14:21.46 | amro | also, the guy giving tickets is not the guy who investigates felonies |
| 14:21.47 | nevcairiel | It sounds like he didnt bother ti report it as a real crime |
| 14:22.05 | amro | you'll need more than your charm to convince me of htat, Ackis |
| 14:23.20 | p3lim | gah |
| 14:23.44 | p3lim | my webhost had a power failure today, my site is still down :/ |
| 14:25.00 | Adys | Ackis: I'd agree with you, but here is a point you need to consider: Doesn't FBI stand for Female Body Inspector? |
| 14:25.27 | Ackis | :P |
| 14:28.04 | Kalroth | French* |
| 14:28.19 | amro | why would you inspect french bodies? |
| 14:28.28 | Adys | why would you french female bodies? |
| 14:28.38 | Kalroth | Because it implies that they're dead (within law enforcement anyways) |
| 14:29.14 | Kalroth | so a French Body Inspector would mean that I have to check corpses of frenchies to make sure they're dead |
| 14:29.19 | amro | Kalroth: yeah, but that alternative expansion for the acronym was not made by necrophiles |
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| 14:58.38 | myrkraverk | Hello. |
| 14:59.11 | myrkraverk | Is there a way for a pattern to match non-ascii letters, such as þ for example? |
| 14:59.35 | myrkraverk | %a doesn't seem to do it. |
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| 15:01.12 | Adys | myrkraverk: [^a-z] ish |
| 15:01.16 | Adys | with more stuff |
| 15:01.32 | Adys | theres no proper match for that afaik |
| 15:01.37 | myrkraverk | That sucks. |
| 15:01.46 | Adys | but a negative match should do the trick |
| 15:02.59 | myrkraverk | I'm actually using a negative match right now. I want to disable "weird" characters in macro names. |
| 15:03.03 | myrkraverk | For my macro addon. |
| 15:05.21 | myrkraverk | Perhaps I should just disallow control and punctuation and leave it at that. |
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| 15:07.50 | Xinhuan | why would you disallow þ |
| 15:07.53 | Xinhuan | or other special chars |
| 15:07.59 | Xinhuan | is there anys pecific reason to do it |
| 15:08.32 | zenzelezz | I'm curious about this too; do special characters break things? |
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| 15:10.26 | myrkraverk | I'm disallowing ,.- and control characters, not non-ascii characters. |
| 15:10.46 | myrkraverk | [^%a%d] didn't work. |
| 15:11.20 | myrkraverk | Just so ppl won't create macros called ..... and that contain control characters. |
| 15:11.22 | Xinhuan | the question is why |
| 15:11.44 | Xinhuan | if people want to name their macros "......" whats the problem with that lol |
| 15:12.03 | Shirik | does anyone use the Kindle for PC application? |
| 15:12.07 | Shirik | is there a "search" feature? |
| 15:12.18 | myrkraverk | not yet. |
| 15:12.25 | jnwhiteh | myrkraverk: whats your issue with thorn? |
| 15:12.28 | jnwhiteh | err eth. |
| 15:12.30 | myrkraverk | So far, I've decided to do this. |
| 15:12.31 | Shirik | nm I found it |
| 15:12.45 | myrkraverk | jnwhiteh, it's thorn, and the issue is %a doesn't match it. |
| 15:12.59 | myrkraverk | In any case, I have my input processor. |
| 15:13.04 | myrkraverk | And am sticking with it for now. |
| 15:13.06 | jnwhiteh | so you want to allow 33-255 |
| 15:13.08 | jnwhiteh | or what range? |
| 15:13.39 | jnwhiteh | because input:gsub("[\032-\255]", "") would do that |
| 15:13.48 | jnwhiteh | if those were the octal versions of the right numbers :P |
| 15:13.55 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 15:13.59 | jnwhiteh | ^ in front of \032 |
| 15:14.06 | jnwhiteh | but close :P |
| 15:14.32 | myrkraverk | We don't have full unicode in WoW? |
| 15:14.50 | jnwhiteh | you have UTF-8 |
| 15:14.51 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 15:15.19 | myrkraverk | I just thought we'd have unicode as direct characters... |
| 15:15.27 | myrkraverk | But yes, utf-8 works too. |
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| 15:26.57 | Breadwinnah | Where´s a good place to start learning to program add ons? |
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| 15:28.28 | Shirik | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:28.28 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 15:29.55 | jnwhiteh | Breadwinnah: the book is a good place to start |
| 15:30.09 | jnwhiteh | otherwise it depends entirely on your skill and experience level. |
| 15:30.21 | amro | zomg bias! |
| 15:30.27 | haste | lies amro |
| 15:30.34 | haste | not like jnwhiteh is affiliated in any way |
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| 15:30.38 | jnwhiteh | amro: I'm happy to point to other resources, depending on skill and experience. |
| 15:30.49 | amro | I'm just playing |
| 15:30.53 | jnwhiteh | actual examples, not just blind links to wowprogramming or wowwiki =) |
| 15:30.54 | amro | the book is a great resource |
| 15:30.55 | jnwhiteh | i know :P |
| 15:31.12 | Breadwinnah | What about a good place to get some practical experience, with a mentor perhaps? |
| 15:31.16 | TC-Work | i'm with amro, total bias |
| 15:31.18 | airtonix | I can sell you something |
| 15:31.24 | jnwhiteh | that's not really going to happen |
| 15:31.28 | airtonix | :( |
| 15:31.30 | jnwhiteh | the book is there for stuff like that |
| 15:31.34 | TC-Work | Breadwinnah: school |
| 15:31.37 | jnwhiteh | gives you practical assistance |
| 15:31.46 | jnwhiteh | there was a course at a Swedish uni this summer |
| 15:31.50 | jnwhiteh | but it was taught using that book |
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| 15:31.57 | jnwhiteh | for example. |
| 15:32.00 | airtonix | but i can sell you a diploma from Mumbai university |
| 15:32.16 | TC-Work | sounds legit, how much? |
| 15:32.27 | airtonix | let me confer with my associates |
| 15:32.47 | Breadwinnah | Can´t you help norgana debug their stuff? |
| 15:32.49 | TC-Work | and do you want a check or will my bank account and routing numbers work just fine? |
| 15:33.18 | airtonix | is it ok that they only teach visualBasic ? |
| 15:33.25 | airtonix | they reckon its the best |
| 15:33.26 | jnwhiteh | Breadwinnah: yes, see #norganna and their website/wiki |
| 15:33.33 | jnwhiteh | that's not learning how to write addons, however. |
| 15:36.09 | Breadwinnah | Thanks for all your suggestions! |
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| 15:39.59 | amro | airtonix: still using kate? |
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| 15:45.24 | Fisker | jnwhiteh suuuuuuuuure |
| 15:45.33 | Fisker | my book is a great place too start as well |
| 15:45.34 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:46.09 | amro | you wrote a book Fisker? |
| 15:46.12 | amro | and here I thought you couldn't even read |
| 15:46.35 | Fisker | I wrote the "Trolling for dummies" book |
| 15:47.35 | amro | are you sure it's not really "Trolling dummies"? |
| 15:47.52 | Fisker | it's both |
| 15:47.54 | Fisker | the book is blank |
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| 15:51.55 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:52.35 | airtonix | amro, only when i'm horny |
| 15:57.27 | Lunessa | so, like, always? |
| 15:57.41 | Humbedooh | gives Lunessa a cookie. |
| 15:57.56 | Lunessa | noms a cookie. |
| 15:58.11 | TC-Work | hell of a way to start your day, eh Lunessa? |
| 15:58.38 | Humbedooh | a cookie a day keeps the monsters at bay! |
| 15:59.01 | Lunessa | Arrive in time for a perfect straight line, get a cookie? Yeah. And parking spot right by the front door? Yeah. If someone brings me liquor, it'll be a perfect day. |
| 16:00.53 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/09/sessy_science_polymers_gettin.php |
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| 16:03.10 | Fisker | hey Lunessa |
| 16:03.14 | malreth | i'm calling it "methyl acrylate style" from now on |
| 16:04.36 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://mikma.eu/misc/IMG_4353.JPG |
| 16:05.41 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://mikma.eu/misc/IMG_4349.JPG |
| 16:06.17 | TC-Work | Lunessa: http://www.sendliquor.com/ |
| 16:06.57 | Humbedooh | goggies and cats, yay |
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| 16:08.30 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Thatll'll do. |
| 16:08.43 | Lunessa | s/thatll'll/that'll |
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| 16:17.50 | Shirik | Huh |
| 16:18.14 | Shirik | Your fact for the day: F-16s are so inherently unstable (intentionally) that they could not possibly be flown without the aid of a computer |
| 16:19.57 | TC-Work | because unlike most fighter jets they have a greater thrust to mass ratio |
| 16:20.58 | Shirik | Fact of the day part two: This instability was something initially developed, but then discarded, by the Wrights |
| 16:22.11 | cogwheel | wow... "Popular topics" on sc2 forums... All but one of the topics that aren't in zerg discussion are about zerg... |
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| 16:22.46 | cogwheel | maybe 2 |
| 16:24.44 | TC-Work | i think the f-16 and one Russian plane are the only ones in the work that can rip themselves apart going at maximum thrust |
| 16:25.45 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:25.46 | Fisker | COGWHEEL |
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| 16:27.36 | cogwheel | NO U |
| 16:28.19 | Lunessa | There's just something cool about putting yourself in a titanium/aluminum frame with a few hundred pounds of electronics and a set of jet engines capable of supersonic speeds and hurtling through the air to deliver death, youknow? |
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| 16:29.22 | TC-Work | i just got wished a 'smurfy' day |
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| 16:32.47 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:32.53 | Fisker | why aren't you called COGWHEEL? |
| 16:35.39 | Ackis | TC-Work: I can rip myself apart going at maximum thrust |
| 16:35.59 | airtonix | with a scottish accent ? |
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| 16:40.00 | Fisker | hot Ackis |
| 16:40.01 | Fisker | hooooooooot |
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| 16:42.52 | Ackis | ? |
| 16:44.00 | TC-Work | Ackis: sure, but you sould really let someone else rip you apart. no need to do it on your own |
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| 16:53.19 | airtonix | gurophile |
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| 17:04.01 | Lunessa | It is strange that having a brain full of technology trivia is a valuable skill in our culture. |
| 17:09.40 | Nechckn | Well... a certain subset of the culture, anyway. ;-) |
| 17:18.03 | Lunessa | It just struck me that I get paid to know strange things like where the settings for page width are stored for various scanners and other minutiae of computing. |
| 17:18.19 | Lunessa | And paid pretty well too. :) |
| 17:18.39 | Nechckn | Good point. Knowledge is POWER!! |
| 17:18.50 | Nechckn | More power, more, more!! |
| 17:20.45 | Fisker | i get paid to turn it off and on again |
| 17:20.57 | airtonix | gidiggdy |
| 17:21.05 | Nechckn | You turn me on and off all the time, Fisker baby. |
| 17:21.11 | Fisker | giggity* |
| 17:21.22 | airtonix | GIGIDGIJIGJIG |
| 17:21.46 | Mihau | Is it possible to get into Icecrown with out flying? |
| 17:21.50 | Nechckn | Speaking of turning on, where is that Cairenn|afk hiding? |
| 17:21.54 | Fisker | yes Mihau |
| 17:22.05 | Fisker | just go through the front door |
| 17:22.06 | airtonix | Socially Possible ? |
| 17:22.10 | amro | you can't get far though |
| 17:22.10 | ccox | Canada |
| 17:22.15 | Mihau | :O |
| 17:22.24 | Mihau | Will try, thanks! Taking my level 70 rogue there... |
| 17:22.42 | amro | Mihau: what for? |
| 17:22.51 | Fisker | if you're trying to get exploration achievements i'm pretty sure there are some spots you can't reach on foot |
| 17:22.52 | Mihau | Epic pick pocketing. |
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| 17:23.32 | nevcairiel | lvl 80 mobs will probably see your 70 rogue |
| 17:23.47 | Fisker | especially since they're undead |
| 17:23.53 | Nechckn | They so should allow pick pocketing in BGs... even if they only recieved the usual chump change and it was not charged to the pick-ee |
| 17:24.16 | Fisker | that would be pretty funny |
| 17:24.23 | Fisker | "X just pickpocketed you for x silver and x copper" |
| 17:24.26 | Fisker | "You die" |
| 17:24.35 | Nechckn | quite |
| 17:25.11 | Nechckn | well, at least the pickpocket message would let you know that you are about to be stunlocked. and killededed |
| 17:25.22 | Mihau | Mmm, there are passive yellow mobs that run scared on a set path on the west side. Standing in place, /target, /cast pickpocket. |
| 17:25.50 | amro | you can't get that far |
| 17:26.11 | amro | unless you're interested in a long corpse run session |
| 17:26.15 | amro | have fun with the rezz timer |
| 17:26.26 | amro | it's probably faster to level to 80 |
| 17:26.29 | amro | or 77 |
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| 17:43.48 | Nechckn | That sounds like an interesting idea, though... but, yeah, the rez-run would be tedious. |
| 17:47.28 | airtonix | sw81v0:t~-.x.!4[3,~~.[}0[[%^} |
| 17:48.26 | airtonix | given a trimethius alphabet of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890-=[];',./~!@#$%^&*()_+{}|:""<>? " |
| 17:48.33 | airtonix | and a key of 13 |
| 17:48.42 | airtonix | well starting row of 13 |
| 17:48.45 | airtonix | kgo! |
| 17:54.50 | mikma | sioraiocht: http://www.break.com/index/estonian-language-lesson-is-dirty1.html |
| 17:54.57 | mikma | sioraiocht: time to learn estonia, eh? |
| 17:59.51 | TC-Work | anyone know how to close a tab in ff via html? |
| 18:00.04 | TC-Work | button wise |
| 18:00.59 | Dagmar | Not sure it's possible, actually |
| 18:01.50 | Dagmar | For one, within HTML you only get basically "this" window, "parent" window, or some other named window. It has no idea what a tab is |
| 18:02.45 | airtonix | can only be done if you programatically created the window |
| 18:02.46 | Dagmar | Ahah... This may or may not still work http://www.yournewdesigner.com/css-experiments/javascript-window-close-firefox.html |
| 18:03.56 | Dagmar | It might _not_ still work because there's still changes going on in what you're allowed to do like that, because of the fucking malicious web ads that like to say, abduct the parent window, or read the entire thing in and replace all links with links to their content, etc etc |
| 18:03.59 | TC-Work | that didnt work either |
| 18:04.10 | TC-Work | nor can i find a way to do it in java |
| 18:04.15 | TC-Work | javascript* |
| 18:04.39 | Dagmar | If a bit of script opened a page, it should still be able to close it |
| 18:05.27 | TC-Work | no, opened from a url for example |
| 18:06.07 | airtonix | as in : type url press enter ? |
| 18:06.08 | Dagmar | Nah I think you're boned for that. THere's a _setting_ in FF that controls that specifcally, but normally it's no longer allowed |
| 18:06.20 | TC-Work | dom.allow_scripts_to_close_windows |
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| 18:06.32 | TC-Work | yea, looks like i might have to do that |
| 18:06.41 | Dagmar | That's the one yeah |
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| 18:07.26 | Dagmar | I've got a crawler that checks a few websites noted for naughty javascript watching them for new code because of stunts like mentioned above |
| 18:07.51 | Dagmar | The hack that grabbed the parent and repopulated it with their own links was pretty slick--no longer allowed tho |
| 18:09.19 | zenzelezz | http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/09/23/five-die-in-mozambique-drinking-contest/#ixzz10MNorLXu -- "oops" |
| 18:09.39 | Dagmar | ...too easy to be a bastard and only change say, where the submit() function on the login button for the website sends credentials to |
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| 18:16.12 | Dagmar | Hmm... If "some competitors died after drinking a few doses" then that brand of liquor is toast |
| 18:16.46 | Dagmar | Sounds like they were making methanol, not ethanol. "That shit'll make ya go blind" |
| 18:18.45 | LebQzz | if i have a scrolling messageframe. why doesnt my AddMessage("Testing", 1.0, 0.0, 0.0); work? |
| 18:19.49 | nicoli_s | damn blizzard dropping patches for their games when im out of town :( |
| 18:20.14 | Maldivia | nicoli_s: yeah, 25kb/s isn't the most optimal speed to download patches on :/ |
| 18:20.32 | Maldivia | (curses the hotel wifi here) |
| 18:21.36 | zenzelezz | http://www.buzzfeed.com/nikoguy1/the-pain-of-watching-non-geeks-use-computers-5xy |
| 18:23.13 | nicoli_s | i just wish they could have waited till i was at work to drop the first patch that breaks my replay parser |
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| 18:30.07 | Sixen | =\ |
| 18:32.06 | cog|away | LebQzz: if I have a car, why doesn't the gas pedal work? |
| 18:32.28 | nicoli_s | cog|away:its like the fairy dust yer not believing enough |
| 18:36.31 | Fisker | cog|away |
| 18:44.47 | LebQzz | cog|away something like that.. I'm used to the Bocart. ;) |
| 18:48.15 | LebQzz | do i have to CreateFontString for every line of text? |
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| 18:56.35 | zenzelezz | is Facebook struggling at the moment? It looks like the "X people like us!" buttons on websites are showing up blank |
| 18:59.26 | EthanCentaurai | aifinkso |
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| 19:02.10 | sioraiocht | mikma: fuck no |
| 19:02.19 | sioraiocht | mikma: you know your language and estonia are IMPOSSIBLE, right? |
| 19:03.11 | Ackis | "In the last 24 hours Minecraft has made more than $200,000." crazy |
| 19:03.35 | mikma | sioraiocht: did you even watch the video? =D |
| 19:03.42 | sioraiocht | no, not yet |
| 19:03.43 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 19:03.58 | mikma | well, do so first ;) |
| 19:04.28 | sioraiocht | lol is it the same in finnish?! |
| 19:04.41 | mikma | nope |
| 19:04.55 | mikma | almost, but not the same |
| 19:05.10 | nicoli_s | Ackis:is minecraft any good? i always hear about it |
| 19:05.10 | Lunessa | Ackis: The beauty of self-publication and internet distribution. |
| 19:05.17 | nicoli_s | and the 2 penny arcade comics just confused me |
| 19:06.05 | Ackis | nicoli_s: never played it, watched a few videos that looked fun |
| 19:06.51 | Sixen | mineCraft is pretty decent |
| 19:06.56 | Sixen | It's simple, but fun. |
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| 19:07.21 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I get intermittent errors trying to login to facebook |
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| 19:20.24 | olafski | zenzelezz: yes, it does seem that way |
| 19:20.33 | olafski | I get intermittent "page not found" errors while navigating facebook :) |
| 19:29.55 | bryno | same. |
| 19:31.15 | Lunessa | I've given up. I'll check Facebook tomorrow. |
| 19:31.48 | olafski | goshdarnit |
| 19:31.55 | olafski | how am I supposed to accept all the gifts people sent me with this crap! |
| 19:34.39 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:39.17 | Fisker | i am insane |
| 19:40.51 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 19:40.54 | Shirik | why you breaking jordan |
| 19:43.50 | Fisker | i am insane Shirik |
| 19:43.57 | Shirik | I know |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik | also |
| 19:44.09 | Shirik | I will destroy you at worm |
| 19:44.09 | Shirik | s |
| 19:44.11 | Fisker | then why did you ask? |
| 19:44.28 | TC-Work | piffle Shirik i shall destry him |
| 19:44.32 | TC-Work | destroy* |
| 19:45.53 | TC-Work | and you |
| 19:46.50 | Shirik | 'negative |
| 19:46.53 | Shirik | nobody can destroy me |
| 19:47.00 | Shirik | only time I get destroyed is when I choose to be destroyed |
| 19:48.29 | Ackis | gets Shirik to destroy himself. |
| 19:49.02 | Shirik | omg |
| 19:49.03 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 19:49.12 | Shirik | I made my friend destroy himself yesterday |
| 19:49.22 | Ackis | meanie |
| 19:49.29 | Shirik | He got this card that reads "At start of your turn, destroy target hero" |
| 19:49.32 | olafski | basterdz |
| 19:49.34 | Shirik | he tried to play it against me |
| 19:49.57 | olafski | 200/200 ackis |
| 19:49.58 | Shirik | Unfortunately he forgot that I have a combination "All cards everywhere are unique" + "Unique cards you control are untargetable" |
| 19:49.59 | olafski | how about you |
| 19:50.14 | Ackis | olafski: 1000/1000 |
| 19:50.19 | olafski | ffffuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:50.22 | Shirik | result: Next turn, he had to destroy his hero |
| 19:50.23 | Ackis | Shirik: lol so he had to use it on himself |
| 19:50.24 | olafski | I got that in dantes inferno |
| 19:50.28 | olafski | but plants vs zombies be nice |
| 19:51.34 | Fisker | noooooooo Shirik |
| 19:51.39 | Ackis | this just makes me go wow wtf http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/celabortion1.png |
| 19:51.42 | Fisker | i just pulled 3 trash packs in icc |
| 19:51.51 | Ackis | olafski: I didn't get it on xbox |
| 19:52.07 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 19:52.13 | Shirik | people like that probably shouldn't have kids anyway |
| 19:52.43 | Shirik | trust me we're better off removing her from the gene pool |
| 19:52.56 | Ackis | yeah |
| 19:53.25 | Shirik | http://twitter.com/BestWorstAdvice/status/25333745087 |
| 19:53.46 | Ackis | lol |
| 19:53.49 | olafski | ackis: you suck :( |
| 19:55.24 | Cide | seems fake |
| 19:57.09 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:57.10 | Fisker | i want |
| 19:57.11 | Fisker | you |
| 19:57.23 | TC-Work | to try my new fried chicken |
| 19:57.39 | TC-Work | look out colonal, here comes the general |
| 19:58.17 | Fisker | do you guys have only 0 friends on steam too? |
| 19:59.03 | TC-Work | you dont have 0 friends fisker |
| 19:59.39 | zenzelezz | "Downloading "./"..." o_O |
| 19:59.40 | Fisker | thanks TC-Work you're a real pal |
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| 20:01.10 | Shirik | all the people that just netsplitted: owned in the face |
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| 20:01.17 | Shirik | you got like a 30 minute warning and then they were like "nah nah" |
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| 20:01.37 | TC-Work | hey Shirik, i am not at home to get said warning |
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| 20:01.45 | Shirik | UNACCEPTABLE |
| 20:01.50 | TC-Work | i accept it |
| 20:02.10 | TC-Work | why am i a real pal Fisker? |
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| 20:02.48 | Shirik | because you said you would destroy me |
| 20:02.51 | Shirik | even though you can't |
| 20:03.02 | TC-Work | say swho? |
| 20:03.05 | TC-Work | who* |
| 20:03.22 | Torhal | It's time to let the teen angst go, Fisker. |
| 20:04.41 | TC-Work | Torhal: 40 years is a long time to cary such angst around |
| 20:05.02 | Ackis | "A recent "Confessions" segment featured Shelley and Chris, a married couple who've both chosen to sleep in their living room so their 65 cats can have the run of the house." |
| 20:05.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:05.27 | purl | beats Shirik over the head with a microkernel |
| 20:06.04 | Shirik | (16:04:29) (root_) People are using freenode to find my IP and ddos it (16:04:52) (Shirik) r000t: You're on comcast (16:05:03) (Shirik) the very fact that you're connected to them results in a dos |
| 20:06.11 | Shirik | truth? |
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| 20:09.08 | Cide | truth! |
| 20:09.17 | Cide | anything that's <100mbit is dos |
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| 20:10.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:10.40 | Shirik | fu and your sweedish internet |
| 20:10.46 | TC-Work | Cide: you have <100mbit? |
| 20:10.46 | Shirik | is it powered by fish? |
| 20:10.55 | TC-Work | s/</>/ |
| 20:11.06 | Cide | I have 100mbit in about a month |
| 20:11.33 | Ackis | bork bork bork borks |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | in the immortal words of Fisker |
| 20:11.43 | Shirik | FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 20:12.08 | TC-Work | i think you forgot a - |
| 20:12.11 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:13.06 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:13.06 | Fisker | sihr |
| 20:13.08 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:13.08 | Fisker | hey |
| 20:13.12 | Shirik | hey |
| 20:13.14 | Fisker | i love you |
| 20:13.21 | Shirik | i love me too |
| 20:13.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:13.33 | Ackis | does Fisker love Civ 5? |
| 20:13.38 | Shirik | <3 Fisker |
| 20:13.42 | TC-Work | pfft, AI's dont have emotions |
| 20:14.00 | Ackis | speaking of AI's, I just found out HAL was IBM |
| 20:14.11 | Ackis | never made that connection before |
| 20:14.22 | zenzelezz | AI's what? You're being too unspecific |
| 20:14.32 | Shirik | loves zenzelezz |
| 20:14.57 | Shirik | I wish more people would understand that's wrong |
| 20:15.07 | Shirik | slowly our knowledge of the english language is degrading |
| 20:15.16 | sylvanaar | HAL wasnt IBM |
| 20:15.50 | sylvanaar | Ackis: Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer |
| 20:16.04 | Ackis | sylvanaar: H + 1 = I, A + 1 = B, L + 1 = M |
| 20:16.10 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:16.12 | sylvanaar | yeah i know |
| 20:16.15 | Shirik | wat |
| 20:16.36 | sylvanaar | its an interesting coninkidink |
| 20:16.54 | Shirik | OR IS IT |
| 20:17.02 | Shirik | IBM == Skynet v0.1 |
| 20:17.19 | sylvanaar | lol Skynet written in Java |
| 20:17.29 | Ackis | did anyone lose their farmville crops to facebook's downtime? |
| 20:17.30 | sylvanaar | using Eclipse |
| 20:17.43 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 20:17.44 | Shirik | farmville |
| 20:17.47 | Shirik | GOOD |
| 20:17.51 | Shirik | GET OWNED IN THE FACE |
| 20:17.59 | sylvanaar | mass starvation |
| 20:18.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: i did, and now my illegal mexican workers are out of a job.. |
| 20:18.35 | Ackis | that's racist NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:18.47 | NightHawkTheSane | how is it racist? they're mexican, and illegal immigrants? |
| 20:18.49 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 20:19.10 | sylvanaar | you live in Cali NightHawkTheSane? |
| 20:19.15 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: no. ;) |
| 20:19.23 | Sixen | Arizona. |
| 20:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I guses since I live in seattle that should have been illegal Chinese workers? |
| 20:19.42 | Sixen | OHAI BLEETER |
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| 20:20.59 | foxlit | grr, why can't I hearth on beta realms? |
| 20:21.13 | Fisker | because you got no heart |
| 20:21.26 | Fisker | facebook sucks Shirik |
| 20:21.27 | Fisker | and Sixen |
| 20:21.33 | foxlit | or, for that matter, teleport. |
| 20:21.35 | Fisker | do you agree? |
| 20:21.50 | Fisker | server is lagging or the destination server is down foxlit |
| 20:22.58 | foxlit | And if it's the same world server? |
| 20:23.14 | Fisker | some kind of horrible lag |
| 20:24.23 | foxlit | also, worgen druid forms are stuck in attack animations |
| 20:24.55 | Fisker | ;O |
| 20:26.38 | foxlit | Awesome, you now leave a wake as you swim |
| 20:26.44 | foxlit | Still no player reflection in the water, though |
| 20:27.13 | Ackis | "As she related in postwar debriefings, documented in Britainâs National Archives, the Gestapo tortured her â beating her, stripping her naked, then submerging her repeatedly in a bath of ice-cold water until she began to black out from lack of oxygen" <-- s/gestapo/guantanamo/ |
| 20:27.22 | olafski | ackis: I have to check! |
| 20:27.28 | Ackis | https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/world/europe/22nearne.html |
| 20:27.40 | foxlit | world objects do, however. |
| 20:28.13 | foxlit | there can only be one explanation: all PCs in wow are vampires |
| 20:28.15 | olafski | ackis: bah you implied that it was back up again :(( |
| 20:29.09 | zenzelezz | foxlit: nah... player characters just have existentialist issues |
| 20:29.29 | foxlit | and now the menethil boat disconnected me |
| 20:29.38 | foxlit | I logged back in, and now I'm stuck in mid air unable to move. |
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| 20:38.03 | Lunessa | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-23/blockbuster-wins-court-s-approval-to-draw-20-million-from-bankruptcy-loan.html - Blockbuster - selling buggy whips in an age of cars. |
| 20:38.33 | Ackis | it's profitable here in Canada Lunessa |
| 20:38.48 | Lunessa | Ackis: Netflix will change that. |
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| 20:39.12 | Ackis | although, they announced a $9.99 deal for unlimited rentals (no new releases) on the same day netflix announce their $7.99 streaming option |
| 20:39.27 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ omg |
| 20:39.32 | ckknight | Canada's not a real country |
| 20:39.32 | Ackis | Lunessa: not really, you need a streaming device first so I don't think it'll make a huge impact right now |
| 20:39.57 | Ackis | Fisker: what happend? |
| 20:39.59 | Ackis | ckknight: :P |
| 20:40.16 | Lunessa | Ackis: Seriously? 'cause here in the US of A we can watch them there movie thingys on our computers. |
| 20:40.46 | Fisker | they had some issues Ackis |
| 20:40.49 | Ackis | I don't consider watching a movie on my computer an ideal situation, nor comfortable /shrug |
| 20:41.37 | Ackis | I'd rather watch it on my 54" w/ 5.1 sound on a comfy couch |
| 20:44.46 | Dagmar | Lucky for you most of the TVs here have VGA, DVI, or HDMI now. |
| 20:45.27 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 20:45.33 | Lunessa | Also interesting: http://www.betanews.com/article/FCC-lays-new-rules-for-devices-working-in-the-white-spaces-between-TV-stations/1285271072 |
| 20:45.49 | Dagmar | RedBox is just screwing Blockbuster |
| 20:45.52 | Dagmar | Go redBox! |
| 20:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: why, again, is your computer NOT hooked up to your tv? |
| 20:47.13 | olafski | computer hooked up to the tv? how archaic |
| 20:47.27 | olafski | I mean how wonderfully vintage |
| 20:47.57 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: no reason to, nor do I even know how :P |
| 20:48.08 | Dagmar | You should move out of the cave and get a look at some current tech, man |
| 20:48.09 | olafski | sure you do.. but the first reason stands :P |
| 20:48.20 | Dagmar | DVi/HDMI to a TV can't be beat |
| 20:48.21 | Fisker | sweats on acid |
| 20:48.29 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:48.52 | olafski | I had my pc hooked up to my tv before I moved |
| 20:48.59 | olafski | maybe I used that twice a year |
| 20:49.12 | Ackis | I had a huge set up before where I used my PC for 5.1 surround and as a dvd player but that was just annoying |
| 20:49.18 | Ackis | too many cables |
| 20:49.27 | Ackis | couldn't really sit on the couch and control the dvd either |
| 20:49.37 | Dagmar | LIRC. |
| 20:49.55 | Ackis | if I really need something from the PC to the TV I have my xbox 360 and windows media centre |
| 20:50.03 | olafski | +1 :-) |
| 20:50.18 | Dagmar | I've got a PVR remote on my media box. It controls everything including pointless crap like the outdoor light on the balcony |
| 20:50.20 | Ackis | Dagmar: used it, it was terrible, I still have the remote control and com port adaptor that it came with |
| 20:50.39 | Ackis | I think I even have a media box that I don't use |
| 20:50.56 | Ackis | DNS-323 I'm sure had built in media stuff |
| 20:50.57 | Dagmar | Ackis: Your IR signalling-fu is weak |
| 20:51.17 | olafski | I have 2 remotes and a 360 controller |
| 20:51.22 | Ackis | "Earlier this week, Netflix finally did what the military hasn't had the guts to do -- invade Canada..." lulz |
| 20:51.26 | olafski | oh and one for the sun-blocking thingies |
| 20:51.46 | zenzelezz | sun-blocking thingies? |
| 20:51.51 | olafski | yeah dunno what they're called |
| 20:51.58 | olafski | I'm tempted to say sunscreens but that's not it :P |
| 20:52.20 | olafski | I press a button and some thing pops out outside and blocks the sunlight from entering my living room |
| 20:52.36 | Ackis | the other thing is, my stuff works right now, I know how to run it... I'd rather play a game/watch a movie instead of spending 10 hours trying to get something to work like that |
| 20:52.53 | olafski | :) |
| 20:52.58 | Ackis | that's one of the first signs that I noticed I was getting old btw |
| 20:53.09 | olafski | xbox is hooked up to the network already anyway.. don't really see the point of adding an extra cable to do something that's less convenient |
| 20:53.23 | olafski | ackis: heh I noticed it when I was like "build my own pc? wtf I'll just let the shop make it" |
| 20:53.42 | Ackis | that was after |
| 20:53.47 | olafski | =) |
| 20:54.00 | olafski | I made that decision at about 22 I think |
| 20:54.15 | zenzelezz | I may be open to trying weird stuff... but I would never let a store assemble my computer |
| 20:54.16 | Ackis | needs to make a baby to take over the tech stuff |
| 20:54.30 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I only let them build it, not install any software |
| 20:54.38 | Ackis | they did a far better job that I would've done |
| 20:54.39 | olafski | it's not rocket science |
| 20:54.41 | zenzelezz | I never mentioned software |
| 20:54.41 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:54.43 | Ackis | I have issues with all the cables |
| 20:54.58 | Ackis | no matter how hard I try, I can't make them look "pretty" in the case |
| 20:55.06 | olafski | same here |
| 20:55.09 | olafski | though I've never tried |
| 20:55.22 | olafski | I always just connect everything, then I fold in the cables so the case will close and that's it |
| 20:55.53 | olafski | opened up my mother's dell a few months ago, they did it really neat.. not that easy to customize though, all the cables are exactly the right length |
| 20:56.27 | olafski | but meh.. pay 30 euro to let the store assemble it vs me assembling it in a worse way (and often inflicting minor wounds on my hands :P) |
| 20:56.40 | Ackis | I'd always cut my finger on the case |
| 20:56.46 | olafski | yep me too.. or on the motherboard |
| 20:56.56 | olafski | the bottom of a motherboard has lots of sharp bits ;) |
| 20:57.51 | Ackis | so in sum, I'm an old crotechy man and you need to respect me or something |
| 20:58.01 | olafski | let's not go that far |
| 20:58.43 | zenzelezz | yeah, I think we can all agree up to "man" |
| 20:58.45 | olafski | age is never a reason for respect to me :) |
| 20:59.26 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:59.30 | Ackis | Fisker respects me |
| 21:00.33 | olafski | that sounds glorious |
| 21:00.43 | olafski | I was only going to agree up until "I'm" btw |
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| 21:05.13 | Ackis | hey olafski you should go to your local game store and find me a copy of My Horse and Me 2 |
| 21:07.33 | olafski | my local what? |
| 21:07.54 | Ackis | place that sells video games |
| 21:08.06 | olafski | I've never been to one of those |
| 21:08.22 | Ackis | :O |
| 21:08.39 | foxlit | eh, "Single Player" is grayed out. |
| 21:09.02 | olafski | ackis: those places sell games for 55-60 euros :P |
| 21:09.19 | Ackis | I wnat this game but for like $10 https://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Horse-Me-Xbox-360/dp/B001AXJXTU/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1285276129&sr=1-1 |
| 21:11.46 | olafski | easy 1000 I guess |
| 21:12.13 | olafski | mmm poffertjes |
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| 21:23.47 | Torhal | Ackis: I'm older than you, so you can stop the "I'm an old crotechy man" stuff at any time. |
| 21:24.23 | Ackis | so you're even more crotechy? |
| 21:24.40 | TC-Work | Torhal: age is no barrier to crotechy |
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| 21:25.17 | TC-Work | Ackis: that game sounds like a porno tbh |
| 21:25.31 | Torhal | BTW: It's crochety |
| 21:25.46 | olafski | torhal: heh, so that's why I couldn't place the word |
| 21:25.52 | olafski | I thought it had something to do with techy oO |
| 21:26.12 | TC-Work | cro-tech-y |
| 21:26.29 | olafski | ackis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poffertjes |
| 21:26.34 | olafski | make those sometime |
| 21:27.57 | Ackis | they look yummy |
| 21:28.41 | olafski | I just had a few.. premade from the supermarket and heated in the microwave, but still good |
| 21:28.55 | olafski | with some butter, powder sugar and whipped cream |
| 21:30.41 | Humbedooh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86bleskiver > that |
| 21:30.58 | TC-Work | i hate you olafski, i havet had lunch today |
| 21:31.40 | olafski | humbedooh: heh that was linked in the "similar things" right? |
| 21:31.48 | olafski | looks yummy too |
| 21:31.52 | Humbedooh | well they are similar :p |
| 21:32.00 | Humbedooh | different ingredients, but still |
| 21:32.01 | olafski | uses about the same pan but yours are round, ours are flat |
| 21:33.11 | Humbedooh | I'd think Poffertjes are more similar to Blintz though |
| 21:33.25 | olafski | never had either of those things =) |
| 21:33.51 | Humbedooh | also called Blinis in some parts |
| 21:33.52 | olafski | do other countries have something like "oil balls" too? :P |
| 21:34.01 | Humbedooh | made from buckwheat and with yeast as well |
| 21:34.12 | olafski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliebol |
| 21:34.25 | Humbedooh | oliobollen? |
| 21:34.30 | Humbedooh | olie* |
| 21:34.33 | olafski | yes |
| 21:34.51 | TC-Work | a blintz is usualy more loglike |
| 21:34.57 | TC-Work | and stuffed |
| 21:35.03 | Dagmar | We have oil balls in the US. |
| 21:35.08 | Dagmar | We're still trying to get rid of them. |
| 21:35.30 | TC-Work | yes, we call them donut holes |
| 21:35.36 | Humbedooh | hrr |
| 21:35.48 | Dagmar | Donut holes are generally actually donut holes. |
| 21:36.14 | TC-Work | yes, balls in oil |
| 21:36.30 | Dagmar | Differnent type of "oil balls" |
| 21:37.13 | Dagmar | The ones I'm referring to are "BP flavor" |
| 21:37.30 | olafski | the food kind is nice though :P |
| 21:37.36 | Ackis | you let some dude with the initials BP oil his balls and then teabag you? |
| 21:37.47 | Dagmar | Ackis: That would actually be less offensive to me |
| 21:38.55 | Dagmar | I'm just _itching_ to see BP's next quarterly |
| 21:39.32 | Dagmar | I had to spend 35 agonizing minutes with the goatse image zoomed in on my screen because of htem. |
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| 21:40.02 | Ackis | why? |
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| 21:40.44 | Dagmar | it was the only way to get the hands on the BP/goatse sticker perfect. |
| 21:42.01 | A-KO | I fear for this project at work |
| 21:42.45 | A-KO | they're putting the reigns of architecture design on this project at work in the hands of developers who couldn't figure out the other day when one of their apps/sites didn't work when they put it in the live environment--turns out that they had hard-coded URLs that pointed to dev-only boxes..... |
| 21:42.50 | A-KO | fears for this project |
| 21:43.34 | Xyphoid | i have one of those i have to beat with sticks |
| 21:43.36 | Dagmar | Sounds like time to spruce up that resume a bit |
| 21:43.55 | A-KO | it took IT to figure it out |
| 21:44.03 | A-KO | .....when the developers wrote the damn thing |
| 21:44.16 | Xyphoid | hey, let's have a feed file in a single place for dev, and keep using that same feed file for live |
| 21:44.29 | Xyphoid | what, you mean both dev and live now write to the same file? |
| 21:44.33 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:44.35 | A-KO | awesome |
| 21:46.15 | Xyphoid | 'deploy by copy -r' is an awesome technique |
| 21:46.27 | A-KO | yeah my company's kinda screwed.....hate to say it... |
| 21:46.33 | A-KO | essentially they let the IT infrastructure rot for a decade |
| 21:46.42 | A-KO | and now are crying that in order to do the things they want to do, they've gotta spend 6 figures |
| 21:46.52 | A-KO | it's like, well, if you kept up over the years, the over time cost would have been significantly less |
| 21:47.39 | Xyphoid | yeah, we've just done a lot of that catchup - it's been painful |
| 21:47.42 | A-KO | They balked at the cost of replacing core gear/infrastructure as it came up over the years. Now not only do they have to pay to bring it up to speed, they have to pay to redesign everything that was built on that broken infrastructure |
| 21:48.02 | A-KO | so you are paying what you wanted to avoid anyway, and now you gotta pay the extra $ to backtrack the years you avoided doing it |
| 21:49.26 | Xyphoid | on the bright side you get to skip some dead sidepaths |
| 21:49.33 | A-KO | true |
| 21:49.39 | A-KO | but it makes it significantly harder on IT |
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| 21:49.46 | Xyphoid | the trick is to be lucky |
| 21:49.58 | A-KO | because now only do you have to build the environment, but you have to make sure you don't break something critical in the process |
| 21:50.31 | Shirik | Cide, I think I just found a bug in my syntax highlighter, can you confirm? |
| 21:50.40 | Shirik | grammar = """###################################################################### |
| 21:50.40 | Shirik | # The ATIS grammar and lexicon (courtesy of George Heidorn and |
| 21:50.45 | Shirik | this string continues, right? |
| 21:50.49 | Shirik | it says it's a comment |
| 21:50.54 | Shirik | but I think it's part of the string |
| 21:52.30 | Cide | the string is multiline with """, yes |
| 21:52.33 | A-KO | the funny thing is Xyphoid, is that we could avoid the "digital divide" with what we've got right now with our infrastructure, but they're favoring letting that happen in favor of a simpler solution. |
| 21:52.44 | Shirik | but that the second line starts with # does not make it a comment |
| 21:52.48 | Shirik | it's still part o the string |
| 21:52.52 | bleeter | Sixen: hai |
| 21:53.00 | Cide | correct |
| 21:53.00 | Sixen | :) |
| 21:53.05 | Shirik | ok thanks |
| 21:53.17 | Cide | assuming you can start the multiline string on the line below the assignment |
| 21:53.19 | Cide | but I think you can |
| 21:53.27 | Cide | otherwise it would probably syntaxerror on your ass |
| 21:54.12 | Shirik | it seems to compile |
| 21:54.40 | Cide | so how is python? |
| 21:54.45 | Shirik | eh |
| 21:54.56 | Shirik | I'm not sure we've gotten far enough for me to be happy or sad |
| 21:55.06 | Cide | as a language, not wrt to your progression nub |
| 21:55.11 | Shirik | I know |
| 21:55.16 | Shirik | I don't have enough experience with it to respond |
| 21:55.24 | Cide | ah |
| 21:55.32 | Cide | don't you find list comprehensions awesome? |
| 21:55.37 | Cide | or have you not gotten there |
| 21:55.55 | Shirik | I don't comprehend what 'list comprehension' means |
| 21:55.57 | Shirik | so |
| 21:56.15 | Cide | [x**2 for x in range(10) if x % 2 == 2] |
| 21:56.22 | Cide | err |
| 21:56.25 | Cide | that would be an empty list |
| 21:56.30 | Cide | [x**2 for x in range(10) if x % 2 == 0] |
| 21:56.42 | Shirik | ew |
| 21:56.48 | Cide | a list of all squares of even numbers in [0..9] |
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| 22:07.37 | Dagmar | hehehe mod 2 eq 2 lol |
| 22:08.07 | Dagmar | if x % 2 == 2 print "Knackered!" |
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| 22:14.07 | ckknight | Dagmar: oh dear :( |
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| 22:14.29 | ckknight | Cide: I think there are far better ways to do list comprehension mechanics |
| 22:15.01 | ckknight | the python way of doing things only really allows for simple map and filter, in order to do something more complex like a select-many or an aggregation, then you hit a wall pretty fast or it feels unpythonic |
| 22:16.38 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Leasing is the way to pretty that up |
| 22:16.58 | kd3 | ... wtf! fark: Vampire bats kills fifth child in Peru. The real story is actually scarier than what you're imagining right now [Scary] |
| 22:17.07 | kd3 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11395956 |
| 22:18.28 | Dagmar | kd3: Peru has a *lot* of people who are basically still living in wattle and dub huts, and the occasional concrete box |
| 22:18.57 | cbreak | as long as it has water plumbing... |
| 22:19.51 | A-KO | and Peru also has some rather major cities |
| 22:19.57 | A-KO | with modern people with lots of $ |
| 22:20.04 | Cide | ckknight: can't really write a whole program as a list comprehension, no |
| 22:20.21 | ckknight | Cide: and I see that as a problem |
| 22:20.22 | ckknight | :P |
| 22:20.29 | Cide | but for lots of stuff it's a lot more comprehensible (pun intended) than a for loop and .append() |
| 22:21.02 | ckknight | and it can be more efficient at times, too |
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| 22:38.05 | Dagmar | I find it amusing that the word "comprehension" is involved at all. |
| 22:42.37 | ckknight | Dagmar: why? |
| 22:42.48 | ckknight | Dagmar: in programming, readability is pretty important |
| 22:44.54 | Dagmar | Because of the number of ways that technique lends itself towards visual soup |
| 22:45.15 | Dagmar | When they're suggesting that the easy way is to _read from right to left_? Whew |
| 22:45.52 | ckknight | what're you referring to? |
| 22:45.58 | ckknight | who is "they"? |
| 22:46.34 | Dagmar | from http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html "To avoid apprehension when nesting list comprehensions, read from right to left." |
| 22:46.50 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:46.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:47.06 | ckknight | as I said, I'm not a huge fan of python's list comprehension syntax or structure |
| 22:47.33 | ckknight | for one, it can't be extended for non-memory data collections, e.g. SQL or web sources |
| 22:47.46 | Xyphoid | looks like that is really only an issue with nested list comprehensions |
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| 22:48.44 | Dagmar | Either way it appears to be about as inherently readable as regexps |
| 22:49.03 | ckknight | it does take some getting used to, but even still, I think a system like LINQ is a lot more powerful |
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