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| 00:06.26 | Arrowmaster | reach completed on heroic solo |
| 00:07.56 | Jerub | i'm /really/ loving mumble |
| 00:13.55 | amro | it's leagues ahead of vent and ts |
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| 00:15.08 | TC-Work | with the exception that no one uses it |
| 00:15.15 | TC-Work | s/no one/few/ |
| 00:16.19 | batrick | mmo champion now has floating adds |
| 00:16.21 | batrick | gg curse |
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| 00:22.53 | ckknight | batrick: that's an issue, those shouldn't exist |
| 00:22.53 | KarlKFI|work | yeah mumble is great |
| 00:23.08 | ckknight | batrick: take a screenshot next time you see it, send an email to me @gmail |
| 00:23.13 | KarlKFI|work | problem is getting people to use it when vent does work |
| 00:23.27 | KarlKFI|work | it's always "why not just use vent?" |
| 00:27.27 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: easy, its cheaper |
| 00:28.08 | KarlKFI|work | can you rent mumble servers? |
| 00:28.39 | Arrowmaster | i think so |
| 00:28.50 | KarlKFI|work | because the cost of vent is what make vent servers appear viable, cause you cant do it yourself over 10 peeps |
| 00:29.10 | A-KO | Teamspeak is win |
| 00:29.11 | A-KO | period |
| 00:29.13 | A-KO | TS3 is kick ass |
| 00:29.16 | A-KO | end of discussion :P |
| 00:29.20 | KarlKFI|work | lulz |
| 00:29.25 | Arrowmaster | mumble > ts3 |
| 00:29.32 | A-KO | I don't really care about open source |
| 00:29.41 | Jerub | KarlKFI|work: yeah, you can rent mumble servers. |
| 00:29.45 | A-KO | clients available for any OS, quality in comparison to Vent (if you don't use GSM) |
| 00:30.01 | Jerub | i'm currently trying to debug an alpha mumble client for my android phone |
| 00:30.04 | A-KO | and the server management is pretty sweet (somewhat, there's some backend stuff that isn't very great) |
| 00:30.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah you dont get it A-KO, mumble has better quality than any of them |
| 00:30.22 | KarlKFI|work | does TS3 have user specific compression rates? or the ability to lower system volume when speaking/spokento? |
| 00:30.23 | Arrowmaster | and has clients for every os |
| 00:30.45 | Jerub | the latency of mumble is much better too. |
| 00:30.53 | Jerub | there was a comparison of them done recently. |
| 00:30.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah vent has huge latency |
| 00:32.02 | Jerub | guy set up server+client with vnet, ts and mumble. |
| 00:32.16 | Jerub | said "taunt" and recorded how close the echo was. |
| 00:32.35 | Jerub | for vent it was like, "taunt taunt" |
| 00:32.42 | Jerub | for ts it was like, "tauntaunt" |
| 00:32.48 | Cide | skype has better quality than mumble any day of the week |
| 00:32.50 | Jerub | for mumble it was like "tatauauntt" |
| 00:33.03 | Cide | and much better algorithms for noise reduction, echo cancelling, etc |
| 00:33.11 | Jerub | Cide: yeah, skype is awesome |
| 00:33.19 | Cide | and nobody except Adys cares about bandwidth |
| 00:33.35 | Jerub | Cide: australians care about bandwidth |
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| 00:33.42 | Jerub | Cide: can you get a 25man raid in skype? |
| 00:34.02 | Adys | lol |
| 00:34.08 | Adys | skype is NOT for gaming |
| 00:34.11 | Adys | seriously |
| 00:34.33 | Cide | yes it is |
| 00:34.45 | Cide | you may not be able to do a 25 man raid with it |
| 00:34.53 | Cide | but for gaming with a couple of friends it's the best program period |
| 00:35.09 | Adys | the hell dude |
| 00:35.17 | Cide | how is it worse in any sense? |
| 00:35.27 | Adys | it uses more bw, it's slower |
| 00:35.32 | Cide | it's not slower |
| 00:35.40 | Cide | who the fuck cares about bandwidth in 2010 |
| 00:35.41 | Adys | it is |
| 00:35.42 | Cide | not me |
| 00:35.47 | Adys | dude |
| 00:35.52 | Adys | every gamer cares about bw |
| 00:35.55 | Cide | no? |
| 00:35.59 | Adys | maybe not in wow but in every other game |
| 00:36.05 | Cide | I have 10mbit up/down |
| 00:36.08 | Cide | soon to be 100 |
| 00:36.20 | KarlKFI|work | lucky oyu |
| 00:36.23 | Cide | indeed |
| 00:36.25 | Adys | so? |
| 00:36.29 | Arrowmaster | Cide: die |
| 00:36.30 | Cide | I doubt it's an issue with skype for most other gamers |
| 00:36.43 | Adys | "most gamers" don't have 10mb up/down |
| 00:36.58 | Cide | and I use a fraction of it for everything but downloading |
| 00:37.00 | Cide | your point? |
| 00:37.05 | Adys | i got a 50mb line and i still care about bw |
| 00:37.07 | Cide | skype. is. amazing. |
| 00:37.11 | Cide | that makes you fucking stupid |
| 00:37.14 | KarlKFI|work | here in the backwater of orange county we're stuck with 256k, 756k or 1.5mb up on cable... |
| 00:37.18 | Cide | skype wouldn't even dent your bw |
| 00:37.49 | Adys | I use skype |
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| 00:37.55 | Adys | Ive used skype while gaming before too |
| 00:38.09 | KarlKFI|work | unless you're lucky and have fiber or have a Fusion DSL line where you can customize your down/up |
| 00:38.13 | Adys | it's superslow and it's hoggy |
| 00:38.16 | Adys | oh and |
| 00:38.19 | Adys | best part |
| 00:38.24 | Cide | rofl what? |
| 00:38.24 | Adys | it doesn't cope well with fullscreen apps |
| 00:38.29 | Adys | so gaming? forget about it |
| 00:38.34 | Cide | I use it for fullscreen apps all the time |
| 00:38.39 | Cide | what are you on? |
| 00:38.48 | Adys | I'm on linux |
| 00:38.51 | Adys | how about you |
| 00:39.05 | Cide | well get an os that doesn't suck at gaming and then talk about how it affects gaming |
| 00:39.07 | Cide | skype uses between 7kb/s and 18kb/s |
| 00:39.17 | Cide | it works perfectly for fullscreen apps |
| 00:39.41 | amro | Cide: stop limiting the parameters and then you can compare applications |
| 00:39.43 | Adys | ... |
| 00:39.49 | Cide | right |
| 00:39.55 | Adys | mumble is better in every possible way |
| 00:39.58 | Cide | let's take CideOS into account then |
| 00:40.02 | Cide | which mumble doesn't support |
| 00:40.14 | KarlKFI|work | *eyeroll* |
| 00:40.18 | Cide | of course you have to limit the parameters to the subset that both applications support |
| 00:40.21 | amro | I'm fairly certain skype doesn't run on AdysOS |
| 00:40.30 | Cide | it's only reasonable |
| 00:40.33 | Adys | skype runs on linux |
| 00:40.34 | amro | [01:39] <Cide> well get an os that doesn't suck at gaming and then talk about how it affects gaming |
| 00:40.36 | Adys | but |
| 00:40.41 | Adys | the client is poor |
| 00:40.44 | Adys | but even besides that |
| 00:40.48 | KarlKFI|work | mumble doesn't run on iphone yet, does it? |
| 00:40.59 | amro | unlikely |
| 00:41.03 | amro | why would run mumble on an iphone? |
| 00:41.08 | Cide | skype does |
| 00:41.08 | Adys | skype is by definition slower than mumble/teamspeak/vent |
| 00:41.13 | Cide | how is it by definition slower? |
| 00:41.14 | KarlKFI|work | why would you run skype on your iphone? |
| 00:41.25 | Adys | because skype is a PHONE app |
| 00:41.28 | Cide | to make calls, to chat with your friends and family |
| 00:41.32 | Adys | like you wouldnt use PHONES to do raids |
| 00:41.33 | Cide | I'm sure mumble is better on linux since it's open source |
| 00:41.38 | Cide | that's a stupid argument |
| 00:41.39 | Adys | and |
| 00:41.39 | Adys | cide |
| 00:41.42 | Adys | dude |
| 00:41.49 | Cide | they're both voice apps |
| 00:41.51 | Adys | forget about the linux/windows thing seriously |
| 00:41.54 | Cide | and skype is much better on windows |
| 00:41.55 | Adys | no |
| 00:42.07 | Cide | I can't speak for linux so I'm sure mumble wins there |
| 00:42.07 | amro | Cide: that's like claiming that C++ and Python are both programming languages |
| 00:42.09 | Adys | Skype, by definition, goes through the skype servers |
| 00:42.12 | Adys | which are in the US |
| 00:42.16 | Cide | no? |
| 00:42.31 | Adys | yes |
| 00:42.33 | Cide | no? |
| 00:42.43 | Adys | i see you're making a convincing argument |
| 00:42.44 | Adys | I'm beat |
| 00:42.52 | Cide | skype is peer to peer |
| 00:43.33 | KarlKFI|work | your mom is peer to peer |
| 00:43.49 | Cide | I see you're making a faulty argument |
| 00:43.50 | amro | Cide: wouldn't that use stupid amounts of bandwidth with multiple useres? |
| 00:43.51 | Cide | you're beat |
| 00:44.06 | Cide | amro: I don't know how it does it |
| 00:44.16 | Cide | I meant peer to peer as in not routed to NA when talking with your irl friends |
| 00:44.22 | amro | there's only 2 ways to do it |
| 00:44.32 | Adys | Cide |
| 00:44.35 | amro | full peer to peer, or use a server for anything more than 2 users |
| 00:44.36 | Cide | but they say skype uses between 7kb/s and 18kb/s |
| 00:44.38 | Adys | it still goes through servers |
| 00:44.42 | amro | (or x users) |
| 00:44.43 | Cide | http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/support/user-guides/p2pexplained/ |
| 00:44.46 | Adys | peer to peer or not |
| 00:44.48 | Cide | if you want to bother reading |
| 00:45.02 | Cide | it doesn't route your whole call through some us server |
| 00:45.17 | Adys | it's very simple |
| 00:45.26 | Cide | it is now? |
| 00:45.28 | Adys | the other day i called someone who lives int he UK |
| 00:45.29 | Legorol | server is used for establishing connection, so that if all clients are behind NAT, you can still connect |
| 00:45.38 | Adys | that should be near instant right? |
| 00:45.48 | Legorol | data (when more than 2 participants) is routed through each other, so you don't have to multicast |
| 00:46.04 | amro | wouldn't that introduce a silly delay? |
| 00:46.05 | Adys | it took about 10 seconds to even ring, and call latency was well over 5 seconds |
| 00:46.06 | Cide | Adys: I don't know? |
| 00:46.11 | Cide | you fail? |
| 00:46.23 | Adys | oh i fail because skype fails and you don't want to admit it? |
| 00:46.26 | Cide | call me up on skype |
| 00:46.27 | Cide | eandre7 |
| 00:46.41 | Jerub | wow |
| 00:46.42 | Jerub | hey |
| 00:46.43 | Adys | ok |
| 00:46.44 | Adys | sec |
| 00:47.05 | amro | be sure to record and upload the conversation, I want to hear the rest of the nerdfight |
| 00:47.13 | Adys | ringing |
| 00:47.13 | Jerub | i'm sorry about starting this |
| 00:47.16 | Jerub | i /love/ skype |
| 00:47.19 | Jerub | it's awesome |
| 00:47.26 | Jerub | but is it useful for raiding? |
| 00:48.04 | Adys | passphrase |
| 00:48.15 | KarlKFI|work | ni |
| 00:48.16 | Adys | Im still waiting Cide. |
| 00:48.24 | Adys | Damn this thing lags. |
| 00:48.25 | Cide | you fail so hard |
| 00:48.27 | Cide | I heard it in 0.5 seconds |
| 00:48.31 | Cide | but I told you to try again |
| 00:48.46 | amro | nice smokescreen there |
| 00:48.51 | amro | we all know you're really having skype sex |
| 00:49.06 | Cide | yep |
| 00:49.13 | Adys | getting around ~1 second latency with Cide |
| 00:49.17 | Cide | no you didn't |
| 00:49.18 | Adys | thats still like 10 times more than mumble |
| 00:49.23 | Cide | sure it is |
| 00:49.29 | Cide | enable call statistics |
| 00:49.49 | amro | anyway, skype wasn't designed for gaming, so regardless of quality it lacks certain features |
| 00:49.52 | Cide | tools -> advanced -> technical stuff |
| 00:49.53 | Jerub | skype behaves better if you've got an external ip because it doesn't have to bounce through a supernode |
| 00:50.21 | amro | mumble's ingame overlay is full of win |
| 00:50.35 | Adys | 231ms roundtrip for me Cide |
| 00:50.35 | Jerub | amro: i found it buggy :/ |
| 00:50.39 | Adys | you? |
| 00:50.41 | Jerub | it doesnt come up half the time |
| 00:50.41 | amro | how so? |
| 00:50.50 | amro | you have to launch mumble first :P |
| 00:50.50 | Cide | 231ms is about 1000ms now? |
| 00:51.04 | Cide | 41ms for me |
| 00:51.09 | amro | is is if you round up |
| 00:51.13 | amro | it is* |
| 00:51.17 | Adys | first of all, amro's right |
| 00:51.21 | Adys | second of all |
| 00:51.25 | Adys | you have a swedish isp |
| 00:51.31 | Adys | that's what you don't get |
| 00:51.32 | Cide | my roundtrip goes faster than your roundtrip? :P |
| 00:51.47 | Adys | i told you this shit goes through servers first |
| 00:51.51 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 00:51.58 | Cide | even if it did the roundtrip would be the same |
| 00:52.02 | KarlKFI|work | -_- |
| 00:52.03 | Jerub | Cide: yes it does |
| 00:52.05 | amro | no it wouldn't |
| 00:52.08 | Adys | no, it wouldnt |
| 00:52.10 | KarlKFI|work | why... |
| 00:52.18 | Adys | because his connection to the server is faster |
| 00:52.23 | Jerub | Cide: unless one of you has a portforward set up or are actually directly on the internet, you're bouncing through a supernode |
| 00:52.46 | Adys | shows Jerub his port.. forward |
| 00:52.48 | Cide | a->b->a is the same as b->a->b assuming they're routed the same |
| 00:52.55 | Cide | no? |
| 00:52.58 | Jerub | a supernode is a p2p node that has a real-world ip, lots of cpu, and is running the skype client. |
| 00:53.00 | KarlKFI|work | up != down |
| 00:53.11 | Adys | left != right |
| 00:53.14 | Cide | regardless |
| 00:53.25 | Adys | regardless of the fact that I'm right |
| 00:53.34 | KarlKFI|work | you prolly have faster up at least, if not also faster down |
| 00:53.37 | Adys | skype is still not made for gaming |
| 00:53.41 | Cide | skype, while possibly not great for 25 man raids, is much superior to mumble in terms of sound quality, noise reduction, echo cancelling |
| 00:53.44 | Cide | who cares what it's made for? |
| 00:53.46 | Cide | it's better |
| 00:53.53 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 00:53.57 | Jerub | Cide: sure, it's great, and i use it for person to person conversations. |
| 00:53.58 | Cide | mumble wins on the linux front I'm sure |
| 00:54.05 | Jerub | nah, skype runs fine on linux |
| 00:54.08 | amro | I'm not trying to win any voice contests |
| 00:54.08 | Adys | it's made for big men with fat cigares who want to make geeky business deals, and for normal people who want to cyber |
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| 00:54.23 | Cide | or for gamers who want good voice calling |
| 00:54.24 | Jerub | Adys: skype is fine for cyber |
| 00:54.25 | Adys | and yeah skype runs ok on linux |
| 00:54.28 | Jerub | i mean. uh. hi. |
| 00:54.29 | amro | things like channel management and the ingame overlay matter for me far more |
| 00:54.31 | Cide | you said it was slow and sluggish |
| 00:54.32 | Jerub | how you doin'? |
| 00:54.35 | Adys | the client is |
| 00:54.40 | Cide | it's not? |
| 00:54.44 | Adys | on linux it is |
| 00:54.46 | Cide | it has a great user interface |
| 00:54.47 | Adys | and the fullscreen thing is probably a linux bug |
| 00:54.49 | Adys | but |
| 00:54.55 | amro | Cide: the UI is totally different on linux |
| 00:54.57 | Cide | but yeah, amro is right |
| 00:54.57 | KarlKFI|work | skype is made mainly for 1v1, mumble is designed for group interactions |
| 00:55.08 | Cide | skype is made just as well for group conversations |
| 00:55.10 | KarlKFI|work | skype's group chat was an afterthought |
| 00:55.14 | Cide | ... |
| 00:55.15 | Cide | guys |
| 00:55.23 | Adys | mumble is designed with gaming in mind |
| 00:55.25 | Cide | it's not worse just because of it's initial design |
| 00:55.30 | Cide | design doesn't define execution |
| 00:55.38 | amro | that's not what I meant |
| 00:55.40 | Cide | I use it for up to 4 people perfectly daily |
| 00:55.41 | Adys | why do you automatically assume it's better only on linux because it's open source? |
| 00:55.42 | amro | it lacks certain features |
| 00:55.45 | KarlKFI|work | skype is also known for fubaring sound settings in windows |
| 00:55.47 | Adys | that's like saying wow addons run better on linux |
| 00:55.50 | amro | 4 people, that's a whole er |
| 00:56.00 | amro | that's not even a full party |
| 00:56.07 | amro | [01:54] <amro> things like channel management and the ingame overlay matter for me far more |
| 00:56.08 | Cide | that doesn't mean it's bad for 5 people or 10 people |
| 00:56.17 | Cide | it means I've tested it extensively for 4 people |
| 00:56.23 | Cide | if you want channel management then yeah, it's not the right tool for the job |
| 00:56.26 | KarlKFI|work | is is as good for 25 people? |
| 00:56.27 | amro | you keep missing the point |
| 00:56.27 | Adys | ive tested mumble extensively with over 30 people |
| 00:56.30 | amro | well finally you get it |
| 00:56.36 | Cide | my point is though |
| 00:56.37 | Adys | 4 people isn't gaming |
| 00:56.39 | Cide | when we're playing worms |
| 00:56.40 | KarlKFI|work | does it show an overlay of who's talking/ |
| 00:56.41 | Adys | 4 people is LANs |
| 00:56.54 | Cide | there is absolutely no reason to resort to mumble |
| 00:56.59 | Cide | in that environment skype is in every way superior |
| 00:57.08 | amro | minus the part where I'd have to install skype again |
| 00:57.13 | Cide | oh boo hoo |
| 00:57.16 | Cide | I had to install mumble |
| 00:57.19 | amro | and ignore all the calls from my aunt |
| 00:57.21 | KarlKFI|work | can you see who's talkign if you onyl have 1 monitor and a fulls creen game? |
| 00:57.26 | Adys | just because mumble is better on 10+ people doesn't mean it's worse on <10 people |
| 00:57.43 | amro | KarlKFI|work: on skype, not as far as I know |
| 00:57.49 | Cide | but it is unless you require channel management or voice overlay |
| 00:58.02 | Cide | it is in every aspect better for the actual voice calling |
| 00:58.06 | KarlKFI|work | doesn't mumble even support direction surround voice chat in supporting 3d games? |
| 00:58.11 | amro | maybe, but who cares about the voice? |
| 00:58.12 | Adys | can you hop from public to private talk on skype with a hotkey? |
| 00:58.15 | Cide | yeah my god |
| 00:58.19 | Adys | yes KarlKFI with plugins |
| 00:58.24 | amro | I'm not auditioning for some american idol knockoff |
| 00:58.27 | Cide | who cares about voice calling when voice calling |
| 00:58.32 | Adys | [01:58:36] <Adys> can you hop from public to private talk on skype with a hotkey? |
| 00:58.37 | Cide | you don't like sound quality or noise reduction or echo cancelling? |
| 00:58.40 | Adys | that is one of the things that matter most for me |
| 00:58.47 | Cide | no, since it doesn't have channel management |
| 00:58.48 | Adys | sound quality on skype is bad dude |
| 00:58.52 | Cide | ROFL |
| 00:58.55 | Adys | echo cancelling is great |
| 00:58.57 | amro | Cide: the quality on mumble is -good enough- |
| 00:59.00 | Adys | but sound quality stop kidding yourself |
| 00:59.01 | Cide | yes, amro |
| 00:59.02 | amro | it doesn't have to be the best in the world |
| 00:59.08 | Cide | the skype sound quality is, however, better |
| 00:59.12 | Adys | ... no |
| 00:59.15 | Cide | yes... |
| 00:59.18 | Adys | not in any shape or form |
| 00:59.18 | amro | can you guys stop failing |
| 00:59.26 | amro | and recognize the role microphones play in quality? |
| 00:59.28 | Adys | dude, go in settings and turn the slider up |
| 00:59.34 | Adys | amro |
| 00:59.43 | Adys | ive talked to the same person on skype and mumble a lot of times |
| 00:59.48 | Adys | that means same mic |
| 00:59.53 | Cide | and skype is better |
| 00:59.55 | Adys | hearing it with the same headphones |
| 01:00.10 | KarlKFI|work | Cide, have you used mumble yet? |
| 01:00.13 | Cide | several times |
| 01:00.25 | amro | which reminds me |
| 01:00.25 | Adys | Cide, skype automatically degrades quality depending on detected connection speed and network congestion |
| 01:00.26 | Cide | probably about 50 sessions total |
| 01:00.27 | amro | we need to get another game going |
| 01:00.29 | Adys | which is NOT good for gaming |
| 01:00.33 | Cide | no |
| 01:00.40 | Adys | yes |
| 01:00.45 | amro | take all that anger out with bazookas and grenades |
| 01:00.48 | Cide | and here I thought you were the one concerned about bandwidth |
| 01:00.52 | KarlKFI|work | it does on iphone anyway... |
| 01:00.55 | Adys | it doesn't save on bw |
| 01:00.55 | Cide | and now you're spouting the opposite opinion? |
| 01:00.58 | Adys | it saves on speed |
| 01:00.59 | Cide | of course it does |
| 01:01.03 | Cide | bandwidth <=> quality |
| 01:01.13 | Adys | not automatically no |
| 01:01.13 | Corrodias | Adys: uh, well... |
| 01:01.19 | Cide | not automatically but in practice |
| 01:01.24 | Adys | and unless you have a swedish isp |
| 01:01.26 | Cide | if you don't design your codec like a fucking retard |
| 01:01.27 | Corrodias | wouldn't you rather have your audio coming in than for everything to start clipping and lagging? |
| 01:01.29 | Adys | skype tends to detect shitty speeds |
| 01:01.51 | Corrodias | people probably have shitty speeds |
| 01:02.02 | Adys | Corrodias, mumble doesn't need to degrade quality because it handles it just fine |
| 01:02.03 | Adys | plus |
| 01:02.07 | Adys | here's something you forget |
| 01:02.18 | KarlKFI|work | ooo, here's a fun test. see which one works better when runnign with civ 4 on a 3+ person game |
| 01:02.22 | amro | why is this even an argument? anecdoctal evidence is pointless |
| 01:02.24 | Corrodias | skype and mumble are both hosted by the person hosting the call, yes? |
| 01:02.30 | Adys | no |
| 01:02.31 | Cide | amro: yep |
| 01:02.32 | amro | mumble is server-hosted |
| 01:02.35 | Adys | mumble is server-horted |
| 01:02.37 | Adys | rofl |
| 01:02.40 | Corrodias | ah, that'll do it |
| 01:02.43 | Cide | OH SERVER ROUNDTRIP MY GOD |
| 01:02.44 | amro | way to fail at copying me |
| 01:02.46 | Adys | horts amro |
| 01:02.55 | KarlKFI|work | civ 4 eats bandwidth like a black hole |
| 01:02.58 | Corrodias | i wish i had a server horse |
| 01:02.58 | Adys | anyway here's the thing you really forget |
| 01:02.59 | Cide | I thought that was bad 10 minutes ago |
| 01:03.02 | Cide | now it's suddenly good |
| 01:03.04 | amro | KarlKFI|work: oO how the hell? |
| 01:03.06 | Adys | DUDE |
| 01:03.09 | Cide | seems like a returning thing! |
| 01:03.11 | amro | you'd think it wouldn't need any |
| 01:03.12 | Corrodias | i'm listening but you are not typing! |
| 01:03.13 | Adys | skype always transfers ALL the voice data |
| 01:03.16 | amro | you can practically play by email |
| 01:03.18 | Adys | while mumble server mixes it |
| 01:03.20 | Cide | my god |
| 01:03.21 | Adys | that means |
| 01:03.23 | KarlKFI|work | amro: it's network code is retarded |
| 01:03.26 | Cide | it tranfers... your vioce? |
| 01:03.28 | Cide | voice |
| 01:03.29 | Adys | you can have 200 people on the same mumble server speaking at the same time |
| 01:03.34 | KarlKFI|work | 2 person is fine, 3 person is horrendous |
| 01:03.39 | Adys | and mumble will only output one sound stream |
| 01:03.45 | Adys | Cide |
| 01:03.55 | Adys | turn off the smartass switch and try to understand that |
| 01:03.57 | Corrodias | hey, cool |
| 01:04.01 | Corrodias | mumble actually does it intelligently |
| 01:04.03 | Adys | skype will degrade very fast the more people you have talking |
| 01:04.15 | amro | KarlKFI|work: sounds like some serious fail, does it try to sync everything or what? |
| 01:04.22 | KarlKFI|work | probably |
| 01:04.35 | KarlKFI|work | i really have no idea except that it fails hard |
| 01:04.37 | Cide | Adys: I've tried 4 people |
| 01:04.46 | Cide | a lot more than that is outside of skype's use case |
| 01:04.49 | Adys | amro: the players send snapshots every 0.2 seconds in bmp format to the server, the server sends it back to every other player |
| 01:04.55 | KarlKFI|work | if i'm hosting the game i frequently get disconnected from vent |
| 01:04.58 | Adys | that's snapshots of the entire map |
| 01:05.02 | Adys | in case you missed it |
| 01:05.04 | Adys | uncompressed |
| 01:05.10 | amro | Cide: that's exactly the point, why is there an argument at all? |
| 01:05.17 | amro | skype is a tool with its uses, and so is mumble |
| 01:05.18 | amro | end of story |
| 01:05.20 | Cide | because skype is much better for the use case I'm advocating |
| 01:05.24 | Cide | like when we're playing worms |
| 01:05.28 | Adys | you're advocating "gaming" |
| 01:05.33 | Adys | 4 people is not "gaming" |
| 01:05.34 | amro | not necessarily cide |
| 01:05.36 | Cide | small-scale gaming with a group of friends yes |
| 01:05.39 | KarlKFI|work | lol adys |
| 01:05.42 | amro | for one, it's a lot easier to get people on mumble (broadcast the server) |
| 01:05.46 | Cide | but you downright blanket deny it because "we're gaming" |
| 01:05.51 | KarlKFI|work | mumble is better for raids, there, happy? |
| 01:06.00 | Adys | dude |
| 01:06.13 | Adys | 8 people uses twice the bandwidth of a 4-people group |
| 01:06.22 | Adys | thats a diablo 2 party |
| 01:06.32 | Corrodias | skype is a tool all right |
| 01:06.50 | KarlKFI|work | now what i really want a voice server to do is track my speakers output and subtract it from my mic input so i can use speakers |
| 01:06.51 | amro | actually, even with 4 people, mumble is more appealing to me |
| 01:06.54 | Adys | and what amro said is the biggest of all imo |
| 01:07.01 | amro | I have horrible bandwidth, I need all the savings I can get |
| 01:07.04 | Adys | having to add every single contact and all |
| 01:07.31 | KarlKFI|work | is there a mumble plugin for that? |
| 01:07.45 | Adys | KarlKFI: yeah there is |
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| 01:07.54 | KarlKFI|work | sweet, link? |
| 01:07.59 | Adys | actually |
| 01:08.01 | Adys | there isn't |
| 01:08.03 | Adys | it's builtin |
| 01:08.07 | Adys | since last version |
| 01:08.26 | Adys | Mumble uses Speex not only as a voice codec, but also for noise reduction and automatic gain control. From version 1.2 CELT is also supported[2]. Mumble is optimized for low latency, resulting in faster communication. Mumble incorporates echo cancellation, which permits the use of speakers as well as headphones. |
| 01:08.54 | SqueeG | can you populate easymenu with linkable item names? |
| 01:09.00 | KarlKFI|work | uh, that's nto the same thing |
| 01:09.10 | Adys | [02:07:14] <KarlKFI|work> now what i really want a voice server to do is track my speakers output and subtract it from my mic input so i can use speakers |
| 01:09.14 | KarlKFI|work | that jsut cancels other people's voices |
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| 01:09.17 | Adys | "Mumble incorporates echo cancellation, which permits the use of speakers" |
| 01:09.21 | KarlKFI|work | not ALL the speaker sounds |
| 01:09.23 | Cide | mumble's echo cancellation is fail |
| 01:09.35 | Adys | works fine for me KarlKFI |
| 01:09.43 | Cide | and it took you a whole 2 seconds to add me to skype |
| 01:09.49 | Cide | anyway I need sleep so bye |
| 01:10.28 | KarlKFI|work | Adys: it cancels out game sounds? cause that's not exactly what that says... |
| 01:10.46 | Adys | it does for me |
| 01:10.50 | KarlKFI|work | echo cancellation is just the sound that mumble handles |
| 01:10.53 | Adys | i never had a problem with it anyway |
| 01:11.04 | amro | no dude |
| 01:11.04 | KarlKFI|work | so liek crosstalk |
| 01:11.08 | amro | I hear your sound all the time |
| 01:11.15 | amro | it doesn't cancel it out |
| 01:11.28 | Adys | because im running the compiled version on the desktop |
| 01:11.32 | Adys | with --disable-every-fucking-thing |
| 01:11.40 | amro | cause you're a total failure |
| 01:11.48 | Adys | cause i cba to install headers |
| 01:11.48 | Corrodias | i run the interpreted version in my Lisp VM |
| 01:12.06 | Adys | on the laptop it works just fine |
| 01:12.12 | Adys | and i dont hear your game sounds |
| 01:12.19 | amro | because I'm not a failure |
| 01:12.29 | amro | and I know how to use headphones. |
| 01:12.34 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 01:12.52 | Adys | i have headphones |
| 01:12.54 | Adys | very good ones |
| 01:12.56 | Adys | you know that right |
| 01:13.12 | KarlKFI|work | see i have some nice speakers and do not want to wear headphones so i need something that cancels out ALL sound from my computer |
| 01:13.18 | KarlKFI|work | actively |
| 01:13.25 | KarlKFI|work | not jsut noise cancellation |
| 01:13.50 | Adys | first of all |
| 01:13.54 | amro | Adys: then you must have output looping back into input or something like tha |
| 01:13.57 | Adys | lemme change your mind about headphones |
| 01:14.04 | KarlKFI|work | no thanks |
| 01:14.11 | KarlKFI|work | do not want |
| 01:14.14 | Adys | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-HS-950-USB-Gaming-Headset/dp/B00166TT4A |
| 01:14.18 | Adys | best headphones in the world |
| 01:14.19 | Adys | srsly |
| 01:14.26 | Adys | and thats coming from someone who HATES headphones |
| 01:14.28 | Adys | I have 3 pairs |
| 01:14.34 | KarlKFI|work | i enjoy bothering my neighbors with loud talking vent |
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| 01:15.39 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.amazon.co.uk/M-Audio-Studiophile-Av40-Desktop-Speakers/dp/B000RPT0UE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1284686121&sr=8-1 |
| 01:16.22 | KarlKFI|work | on a nice flat table that reverberates the bass |
| 01:17.04 | Corrodias | mmm, yeah, reverberate that ass, baby |
| 01:17.21 | Wobin | Adys: =\ the weight of those headphones are around the ears aren't they? |
| 01:18.03 | Wobin | Jerub: if you can do that 'single button install' for Mumble, I'll certainly use it |
| 01:18.15 | Adys | Wobin: they are superlight |
| 01:18.19 | Wobin | Mumble's great, but the inertia of TS is terrible in switching to it |
| 01:18.38 | Wobin | Adys: I wear glasses, so any headset that uses compression to support itself ends up in ear pain =( |
| 01:18.38 | Adys | eh |
| 01:18.39 | Jerub | Wobin: yes, i was considering this today |
| 01:18.44 | Jerub | Wobin: there's defaults i don't like. |
| 01:18.54 | Jerub | Wobin: for MS i assume |
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| 01:19.00 | Adys | Wobin: actually the set is pretty large |
| 01:19.38 | Wobin | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steel-Series-51017-SteelSeries-Headphone/dp/B002SN9RMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1284686358&sr=1-1 |
| 01:19.43 | Wobin | I have a pair like these |
| 01:19.51 | Wobin | which are -ridiculously- comfortable |
| 01:20.06 | Adys | are those the ones where the earpad is SUPERLARGE |
| 01:20.12 | amro | comfort is never ridicuouls |
| 01:20.15 | Wobin | -stupidly- so, in comparison to every other headset I've worn |
| 01:20.18 | amro | but my typing is |
| 01:20.26 | Adys | yea ive worn those a few weeks back |
| 01:20.34 | Adys | i dunno |
| 01:20.38 | Adys | we have a different idea of comfort |
| 01:20.39 | Adys | :P |
| 01:20.54 | Wobin | comfort is after raiding for a few hours I don't clutch my ears in pain |
| 01:21.00 | amro | you know my area of comfort. |
| 01:21.03 | Wobin | because my headset clamps to my ears |
| 01:21.11 | Adys | the one i link doesnt |
| 01:21.14 | Wobin | and presses the arms of my glasses into my face |
| 01:21.15 | Adys | it does compress but not much |
| 01:21.21 | Adys | just enough to stay up |
| 01:21.23 | Adys | and |
| 01:21.25 | Wobin | it's enough |
| 01:21.28 | Adys | the earpads are super comfy |
| 01:21.30 | Wobin | you wear glasses? |
| 01:21.33 | Adys | nah |
| 01:21.33 | Adys | but |
| 01:21.36 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:21.39 | Adys | you can fit glasses under that likely |
| 01:21.40 | Wobin | stfu then =P |
| 01:21.43 | Wobin | no you can't |
| 01:21.45 | Mikk | i'm liking my sennheisers that rest on the ear |
| 01:21.48 | Wobin | trust me =P |
| 01:21.50 | Mikk | dunno how they work with glasses tho |
| 01:21.55 | Wobin | you can -fit- them under |
| 01:22.00 | Wobin | but it still hurts after a while |
| 01:22.06 | Adys | ok, looking at this |
| 01:22.10 | Adys | if you lower the earpad |
| 01:22.19 | Adys | so that you only have the upper half on the ear |
| 01:22.24 | Adys | sound quality is the same |
| 01:22.29 | Adys | and it works just fine |
| 01:22.36 | Wobin | doesn't sound too comfortable |
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| 01:22.45 | Adys | it's pretty comfortable actually |
| 01:22.48 | Adys | i barely feel those headphones |
| 01:22.53 | Mikk | Wobin: have you tried ones that rest on the ear (as opposed to around it?) |
| 01:23.08 | Adys | those use compression tho |
| 01:23.09 | Wobin | Mikk: the ones that loop over the ear? |
| 01:23.12 | Wobin | and around the back? |
| 01:23.12 | Adys | oh |
| 01:23.14 | Adys | those |
| 01:23.16 | Adys | oh god |
| 01:23.21 | Adys | so uncomfortable |
| 01:23.23 | Wobin | the glasses arms get in the way of those |
| 01:23.29 | Adys | yeah i bet |
| 01:23.37 | Mikk | Wobin: no not around the back |
| 01:23.40 | Mikk | sec i'll find a link |
| 01:24.24 | Mikk | http://bit.ly/a0T5NC |
| 01:24.27 | Mikk | sennheiser pc-151 |
| 01:24.52 | Adys | yeah thats like the hs950 |
| 01:25.07 | Mikk | notice that the ear muffs are ear sized and actually rest on the ear |
| 01:25.16 | Wobin | well, any headset where the weight isn't supported by the cups work well |
| 01:25.22 | Wobin | oh I see |
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| 01:25.39 | Wobin | no, that has a similar problem because it presses the earlobe to the side of the head |
| 01:25.50 | Mikk | definitely not the lobe |
| 01:25.52 | Wobin | ack, what's the top of your ear called? =P |
| 01:25.57 | Adys | eartop |
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| 01:26.02 | Wobin | It presses your earflaps to your head =) |
| 01:26.04 | Mikk | hihi |
| 01:26.13 | Wobin | ~staple Antiarc |
| 01:26.14 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Antiarc quite well, and hands Antiarc to wobin |
| 01:26.23 | Adys | ~lart wobin |
| 01:26.23 | purl | gives wobin an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending wobin to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 01:26.37 | Wobin | pft |
| 01:26.42 | Wobin | the apple came before the sleep |
| 01:26.46 | Mikk | Q: why do the call it 7 up? |
| 01:26.59 | Wobin | (I used to know this joke) |
| 01:27.03 | Wobin | (It was terrible) |
| 01:27.08 | Mikk | A: it's what's left from when the 7 dwarves got them up when seeing snow white |
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| 01:27.28 | Wobin | ... that doesn't even make sense >< |
| 01:27.35 | Mikk | jizz? |
| 01:27.40 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 01:27.41 | Wobin | that's clear and fizzy? |
| 01:27.54 | Wobin | thinks Mikk needs to go see a doctor =) |
| 01:28.03 | Mikk | i dont know. it was bad when i first heard it. it hasn't gotten better. |
| 01:28.12 | Mikk | and that problably was 20some years ago |
| 01:28.29 | Mikk | i'm tired |
| 01:28.39 | Mikk | apologies for crappy sense of humor :P |
| 01:28.50 | Adys | you saying "20some" after a joke about 7 dwarves makes me giggle more than the joke itself |
| 01:29.04 | Mikk | old fart, nothing new to see here, move on |
| 01:29.44 | Mikk | okay lessee |
| 01:29.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRrv6rcu90Y |
| 01:29.57 | Mikk | if i stick a pencil behind my ear |
| 01:29.58 | Mikk | well on top |
| 01:30.10 | Mikk | there should be no glasses that could feel worse |
| 01:30.45 | Mikk | bah sod knows |
| 01:30.52 | Mikk | i guess i'd have to try for 5 hours |
| 01:31.09 | Mikk | didn't feel like it was getting pressed against my face/head a lot tho |
| 01:31.46 | Adys | im sticking a screwdriver up my ear |
| 01:31.47 | Adys | works fine |
| 01:31.48 | Mikk | at least for me, most of the pressure from the pc-151s end up on the jawbone in front of the ears |
| 01:32.02 | Mikk | but mebbe my head is funneh |
| 01:32.04 | Mikk | =P |
| 01:32.50 | Jerub | Wobin: it's been pointed out to me that mumble is distributed as an msi |
| 01:33.07 | Mikk | the mumble client is easy enough to run |
| 01:33.22 | Mikk | apparently it's the server that's about as much fun to set up as a linux 0.9x kernel |
| 01:33.33 | Mikk | but that was a while ago so i may be out of date there |
| 01:34.07 | Jerub | Mikk: uh, setting up a server was untar a static tarball, then ./murmur.x86 |
| 01:34.27 | Mikk | mhm and then get the permissions right |
| 01:37.58 | Mikk | "Also, nearly all of the basic administration tasks can be completed through the client when using > Mumble 1.2.x." |
| 01:38.15 | Mikk | this would probably be what was missing for me ;) |
| 01:38.18 | Jerub | ah. |
| 01:38.24 | Jerub | mumble 1.2 >>> mumble previous |
| 01:38.30 | Jerub | they changed the network protocol |
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| 01:49.58 | Adys | kd3, Arrowmaster: http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=9652 |
| 01:50.38 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 01:50.52 | Adys | read it :p |
| 01:51.47 | cog|away | anyone familiar with Audacity? (dagmar?) |
| 01:52.20 | Trela | I am, some. |
| 01:52.42 | Adys | same |
| 01:52.43 | cog|away | do you know why Normalize effect wouldn't do anything even though its preview "works"? |
| 01:52.54 | Adys | what format you saving to? |
| 01:53.02 | cog|away | no format yet... just a raw recorded clip |
| 01:53.06 | Adys | hmm |
| 01:53.07 | Dashkal | You don't need to convince everybody, you need to convince whoever pays the Vent bill |
| 01:53.13 | Dashkal | mischan |
| 01:53.14 | cog|away | nothing changes after applying the normalize effect |
| 01:53.27 | Adys | if you save, does the effect apply? |
| 01:53.46 | Corrodias | i have no idea why it would do nothing |
| 01:55.05 | cog|away | nope |
| 01:55.21 | Xyphoid | i wish i could get people off vent |
| 01:55.22 | cog|away | menu even has "repeat normalization" |
| 01:55.32 | Xyphoid | i'm paying for a mumble server but there's always one person who 'can't get it to run' |
| 01:55.57 | Dashkal | aka, refuses to install it? |
| 01:56.25 | Dashkal | I find being a bit draconian gets the job done. Not in mumble? Not raiding. Full sstop |
| 01:56.41 | Xyphoid | then they decided to switch to imvox rofl |
| 02:04.15 | cogwheel | needs more caffeine... |
| 02:04.30 | cogwheel | yay for aspartame -_- |
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| 02:08.32 | amro | cogwheel: I heard it kills you |
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| 02:11.50 | cogwheel | so "they" say >< |
| 02:12.27 | cogwheel | without any support except a few cherry-picked or poor studies... |
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| 02:13.56 | bluspacecow | *glares at Background Downloader* |
| 02:14.05 | bluspacecow | doesn't auto update it self ! |
| 02:14.06 | bluspacecow | QQ |
| 02:14.30 | bluspacecow | oh hex editor , hex editor my favourite friend |
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| 02:21.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: Cairenn Seerah dolby somebody help |
| 02:21.37 | cogwheel | points up |
| 02:21.48 | bluspacecow | what ? |
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| 02:21.56 | cogwheel | strangles Wimpeh |
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| 02:22.02 | bluspacecow | im allowed to fondle hex editors if i wants to >_> |
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| 02:22.25 | cogwheel | <3 |
| 02:22.41 | bluspacecow | Fixed it ! |
| 02:22.49 | Shirik | where is EDI |
| 02:22.52 | bluspacecow | pinched the background downloader from beta :) |
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| 02:23.26 | bluspacecow | there EDI is ! |
| 02:23.35 | cogwheel | ~hug EDI |
| 02:23.35 | purl | ACTION hugs EDI tightly until EDI turns slightly blue |
| 02:23.37 | bluspacecow | speak of the devil and the devil appears |
| 02:23.45 | bluspacecow | ~fish EDI |
| 02:23.45 | purl | ACTION slaps EDI around with a large trout |
| 02:23.50 | cogwheel | ooh hot bot-on-bot action |
| 02:24.01 | bluspacecow | ~wiki EDI |
| 02:24.20 | bluspacecow | >_> <_< |
| 02:24.25 | cogwheel | disambiguatiopwned |
| 02:24.26 | bluspacecow | its an airport ? |
| 02:24.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:24.34 | Shirik | I own an airport |
| 02:24.34 | cogwheel | s/iop/ip/ |
| 02:25.01 | cogwheel | is giggling |
| 02:26.12 | bluspacecow | lolz @ cog |
| 02:27.15 | Kraps | missed my friend by 12 minutes :( |
| 02:29.48 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:29.50 | cogwheel | stupid diet soda suppresses appetite (and thirst, apparently) so i keep forgetting to drink my caffeine :( |
| 02:29.56 | bluspacecow | *hug* |
| 02:30.10 | cogwheel | thanks bluspacecow |
| 02:30.11 | cogwheel | XD |
| 02:30.13 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 02:30.23 | cogwheel | gives the hug back to Kraps |
| 02:30.35 | amro | replace diet soda with tea, problem solved |
| 02:32.41 | cogwheel | tea hardly has any caffeine |
| 02:32.58 | cogwheel | and takes too long to cool <.< |
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| 02:34.34 | amro | cogwheel: that's a clear sign that your tea is not strong enough |
| 02:34.50 | amro | if it's all water, then yes it takes forever to cool and has no caffeine |
| 02:35.26 | kd3 | adys; lol |
| 02:35.34 | Kraps | http://www.wow-europe.com/cataclysm/_images/screenshots/ss89.jpg http://cata.wowhead.com/achievement=5262 |
| 02:36.28 | Adys | old |
| 02:36.29 | cogwheel | amro: 8 oz coup of drip coffee has an average of ~150mg |
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| 02:36.57 | cogwheel | between ~120 to ~180 |
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| 02:37.03 | cogwheel | Tea is like 60 |
| 02:37.04 | bluspacecow | North American pre patch file mirror http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/Cata%20Pre%20Patch%20files/WoW-3.3.0.10958-4.0.0.12911-NA-Stage-1%20torrent/background.torrent |
| 02:37.09 | cogwheel | (tho so is dew) |
| 02:37.13 | amro | coffee has a higher concentration, but typical american coffee is stretched more so than tea |
| 02:37.21 | bluspacecow | wow wiki as usual has mirrors for the EU pre patch |
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| 02:37.26 | Wobin | Soooooooooy uuuuunnnn perdedor |
| 02:37.27 | kd3 | 20mg caffeine per drip ounce of drip copy |
| 02:37.28 | cogwheel | good thing i don't drink typical american coffee then, huh ;) |
| 02:37.37 | kd3 | used to work at a starbucks |
| 02:37.41 | bluspacecow | Felice navi da |
| 02:37.44 | kd3 | 75mg per 1oz shot of espresso |
| 02:37.45 | kd3 | etc.. |
| 02:37.46 | bluspacecow | Felice Navid DA ! |
| 02:37.56 | Kraps | Adys: shut up |
| 02:38.01 | amro | cogwheel: yes, but you can understand my assumption |
| 02:38.03 | Adys | no you |
| 02:38.27 | cogwheel | yeah once i found out a 16 oz cup of drip had the same or more caffeine as a double shot of espresso, my wallet got heavier... |
| 02:38.40 | Wobin | drip coffee is an abomination unto man |
| 02:38.55 | cogwheel | i'm ambivalent about french press |
| 02:38.58 | cogwheel | if that's where you're headed |
| 02:39.16 | Wobin | eh, if you're going to drink coffee drink the proper coffee |
| 02:40.00 | Adys | greek nescafé |
| 02:40.08 | Adys | burning hot, superstrong |
| 02:40.15 | Adys | one sip, you're awake for the week |
| 02:40.17 | Wobin | turkish? =) |
| 02:40.18 | amro | and full of fail |
| 02:40.22 | Corrodias | if you're going to drink coffee, make sure it isn't pig shit first. after that, drink whatever you want. |
| 02:40.34 | Adys | you've never, ever, in your entire life tasted greek café amro |
| 02:40.36 | smcn | sometimes i wish i cared enough about what other people do to be snobbish about something |
| 02:40.37 | amro | pig shit looks like coffee? |
| 02:40.39 | Wobin | Corrodias: you'd be surprised how well that advice applies to a lot of things =P |
| 02:40.41 | amro | I never knew |
| 02:40.47 | amro | I never said it tasted like fail |
| 02:40.51 | Corrodias | if only i followed it more often! |
| 02:41.10 | Wobin | Corrodias: perhaps you should cut down on licking pigs |
| 02:41.15 | Adys | amro: then what? |
| 02:41.21 | cogwheel | http://www.my-best-coffee.com/coffee-makers.html |
| 02:41.23 | cogwheel | Drip coffee makers are also for caffeine lovers. The resulting coffee is loaded with caffeine and some of the aroma stays in the paper filter. It takes 3 to 5 minutes to brew. Using a french press will result in coffee that has a rich taste and a smooth texture, and contains an average caffeine concentration. Brewing time is about 3-4 minutes. So if you enjoy aroma in coffee, go for a french press maker by bodum. Otherwise, g |
| 02:41.34 | amro | being awake for a week from one sip is full of fial |
| 02:41.39 | amro | more so than my tpying |
| 02:41.44 | Adys | its also an exaggeration |
| 02:41.51 | Adys | but it is superstrong |
| 02:41.53 | Shirik | confirmation from anyone that uses git |
| 02:41.58 | Adys | I say yes |
| 02:42.07 | Shirik | for something like svn:externals, all I have to do is clone into a repo that already exists? |
| 02:42.08 | Wobin | "yes" |
| 02:42.14 | Wobin | oh too late |
| 02:42.32 | Adys | Shirik: i think git submodules is what you want |
| 02:42.34 | Adys | im not sure |
| 02:43.05 | Shirik | yes that looks good |
| 02:43.09 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:43.13 | Adys | np |
| 02:43.16 | Adys | you owe me a blowjob |
| 02:44.53 | cogwheel | barfs a little |
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| 02:45.15 | amro | now I'm in the mood for tea |
| 02:45.17 | Adys | drinks cogwheel's little barf |
| 02:45.18 | amro | but no chun mee |
| 02:45.20 | amro | :( |
| 02:46.13 | Adys | hi Iriel |
| 02:46.22 | Iriel | Adys: hi |
| 02:47.00 | Adys | kisses Iriel on the mouth with his face still full of barf |
| 02:47.14 | Adys | (blame cogwheel for that) |
| 02:47.16 | amro | that is just |
| 02:47.17 | amro | wow |
| 02:47.25 | Adys | Are you still in the mood for tea? |
| 02:47.28 | amro | I'm going to sleep before this deteriorates any further |
| 02:47.37 | Adys | thought so |
| 02:48.48 | Kraps | APB is over |
| 02:50.50 | amro | called it when the game was announced |
| 02:51.22 | cogwheel | Adys is clearly deflecting >< |
| 02:51.35 | cogwheel | ~logs |
| 02:51.35 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 02:51.35 | Adys | barflecting what? |
| 02:51.37 | cogwheel | *cough* |
| 02:51.41 | Xyphoid | predicting a MMO is doomed is a pretty good bet to be honest |
| 02:52.13 | Dagmar | Ouch. Can't summon my ooze-odile on the PTR |
| 02:52.21 | Dagmar | That'll suck if they took those out |
| 02:52.27 | amro | true Xyphoid, but I was certain APB wasn't going anywhere |
| 02:52.31 | amro | financial trouble or not |
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| 02:52.59 | amro | people need to stop throwing at MMO projects and expect a return |
| 02:53.46 | bluspacecow | http://twitpic.com/2p0h1l |
| 02:54.13 | cogwheel | amro: any bets on blizzard's unnamed mmo? |
| 02:54.39 | Adys | world of tweetcraft |
| 02:54.41 | Dagmar | THe Universe Of No One Cares Because It's Not Cata |
| 02:54.56 | bluspacecow | World of Porncraft |
| 02:54.57 | Adys | with realid interaction |
| 02:55.02 | bluspacecow | *crosses fingers and toes* |
| 02:55.20 | bluspacecow | World of Porncraft with realid interaction ? |
| 02:55.27 | Trela | O.O |
| 02:55.28 | bluspacecow | thats hot ! |
| 02:56.34 | Kraps | its a NEW IP |
| 02:56.35 | cogwheel | emphasis on amro's established context |
| 02:58.31 | bluspacecow | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/demotivational-posters-borked.jpg |
| 02:58.34 | bluspacecow | OWWWW |
| 03:00.26 | cogwheel | owieowieowieowie |
| 03:00.37 | amro | cogwheel: blizzard is a unique position to push out almost anything and win hard |
| 03:01.22 | Iriel | amro: if they lost their good sense in what was acceptable to push out, that might cease to be the case |
| 03:01.36 | amro | true, but that's unlikely |
| 03:01.37 | Iriel | amro: I'd argue blizzard succeed because they show sufficient restraint and good judgement on quality |
| 03:02.04 | Xyphoid | i'd be shocked if it wasn't blizzard's take on farmville |
| 03:02.13 | amro | in general, yes. but as far as mmos go, they're in the best position to make people migrate from wow to another mmo |
| 03:02.17 | Iriel | (as well as hiring very talented people etc) |
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| 03:02.33 | Iriel | I dont disagree |
| 03:02.45 | Xyphoid | if there's one market that's there to be taken it's the low-barrier-to-entry casual social game |
| 03:02.46 | amro | they also have the financial stability to make sure their game isn't a failure |
| 03:03.00 | Motig | or stop development |
| 03:03.32 | amro | so whatever their mmo is, I'm certain it'll be successful. they have the talent but most importantly they can make people notice their game |
| 03:04.01 | Dagmar | World of Ali G |
| 03:04.08 | Xyphoid | if their new game sits in the same design space as WoW i'll eat my hat |
| 03:04.24 | Jamash | world of muppets |
| 03:04.58 | Iriel | Xyphoid: did you get a hat made out of bacon, just in case? |
| 03:05.15 | Iriel | Because if you did... |
| 03:05.16 | amro | they need a successor to wow |
| 03:05.17 | Iriel | (A) Bacon Hat! |
| 03:05.21 | Iriel | And (B), See A. |
| 03:05.30 | Jamash | I saw a guy at PAX wearing about eight hats |
| 03:05.37 | amro | sandbox MMOs aren't quite ready for primetime |
| 03:05.39 | Iriel | amro: I think they'd like WoW to be the successor to WoW for quite some time |
| 03:05.47 | amro | I'm putting my money on another themepark MMO |
| 03:05.48 | bluspacecow | >_< Need someone with a EU active wow account to make ze post for me |
| 03:05.58 | amro | possibly with more sandbox elements |
| 03:05.59 | bluspacecow | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574761218&sid=1 |
| 03:06.09 | Xyphoid | i think sandbox mmos are fundamentally niche |
| 03:06.23 | amro | what post bluspacecow? |
| 03:06.24 | Jamash | world of lost vikings in space |
| 03:06.29 | bluspacecow | that one above |
| 03:06.35 | bluspacecow | pls respond with a link to this post |
| 03:06.39 | amro | mostly yes Xyphoid |
| 03:06.42 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26859186380&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 03:06.47 | amro | but it'd be interesting to fuse the two types |
| 03:06.50 | bluspacecow | post # 28 |
| 03:07.02 | Iriel | I wish a AAA game studio would get behind A Tale In The Desert, give it a rocking engine and awesome graphics, then let it stay unchanged otherwise. It'll never happen, but it'd be interesting. |
| 03:07.03 | Xyphoid | doesn't mean they can't be successful, but they just need to get built without spending 50 million |
| 03:07.17 | Xyphoid | what *I* want is to see 20 more tale in the desert scale games |
| 03:07.36 | Jamash | Dwarf Fortress 3D |
| 03:07.43 | Iriel | Jamash: I'm not sure that'd work |
| 03:07.44 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evOhQjzlFwE |
| 03:07.50 | Iriel | Jamash: Much as I greatly <3 DF |
| 03:07.54 | Jamash | oh it would |
| 03:07.55 | Iriel | Xyphoid: yeah. |
| 03:08.01 | Xyphoid | world of dwarf fortress where you each run your own fort and visit other people |
| 03:08.15 | Xyphoid | you know all those npc civilisations that send you new dwarves and traders |
| 03:08.17 | bluspacecow | @amro oh wait |
| 03:08.21 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 03:08.27 | amro | you sure? |
| 03:08.29 | amro | I was about to click post |
| 03:08.32 | Iriel | Xyphoid: I guess it's possible, Sim City tried something similar ish but it sucked |
| 03:08.38 | bluspacecow | European so don't think they can use the North American pre patch data anyways |
| 03:08.49 | bluspacecow | refer them to the wow wiki patch mirrors |
| 03:08.50 | Xyphoid | i mean, farmville is more or less the same thing |
| 03:09.00 | Jamash | world of minecraft |
| 03:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | is an amazing game |
| 03:10.34 | Jamash | Paranoia Online |
| 03:10.54 | Xyphoid | i'd play that until i died |
| 03:11.03 | Jamash | then your clone would keep playing |
| 03:11.51 | amro | curious to see what comes of dust 514 |
| 03:17.25 | Iriel | Jamash: I lost my Paranoia rulebook, i'm very sad |
| 03:18.23 | Xyphoid | the current rewrite of paranoia is pretty impressive |
| 03:18.25 | Jamash | The Computer has confiscated your illegal paper-based information database, thank you for your co-operation. |
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| 03:19.45 | Xyphoid | it has some amazing adventures, i think i ruptured something running the one about the stealth train |
| 03:20.13 | Iriel | wanders off to play some more of reach |
| 03:20.55 | Xyphoid | (you show up and are ordered to take over responsibility for guarding the stealth train at that empty siding over there. there is no train. you signed something saying you're in charge of it. did you lose the highly valuable stealth train prototype, citizen? |
| 03:21.19 | Thunder_Child | i want my CIV V NAO! |
| 03:21.40 | Jamash | it's so very stealthy, is it? |
| 03:22.51 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: at least I have my pre-download done |
| 03:23.02 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: steam has a pre download? |
| 03:23.06 | Iriel | Yes |
| 03:23.10 | Iriel | As of monday |
| 03:23.17 | Iriel | at least that's when I noticed it |
| 03:23.22 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i may have to do that then |
| 03:24.59 | Jamash | I'm going to try to hold out until someone does an Alpha Centauri mod |
| 03:25.15 | Thunder_Child | heh |
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| 03:40.24 | newbie | Iriel, Thunder_Child: I'm also really looking forward to Civ5 |
| 03:40.35 | newbie | ah, dammit |
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| 03:41.07 | Thunder_Child | this multiplayer should prove interesting |
| 03:41.11 | Thunder_Child | s/this/the/ |
| 03:41.28 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:41.37 | ckknight | I'm looking forward to trying it out |
| 03:50.21 | Iriel | Some friends and I play multiplayer Civ 4 from time to time, games are long but it's fun |
| 03:50.31 | Iriel | I think hexes will be neat, if they dont do anything dumb 8-) |
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| 03:51.39 | gtsafas | Does anyone see any issues with this code? Im not able to access my loaded var |
| 03:51.43 | gtsafas | http://pastie.org/1164208 |
| 03:51.56 | Kraps | damn i hate when games give you choice A or choice B |
| 03:52.10 | Kraps | reached one in CS2 |
| 03:52.50 | Iriel | gtsafas: Suggestion 1 - 'data' is a TERRIBLE name for your variable |
| 03:53.09 | gtsafas | its scoped to my module though no? |
| 03:53.17 | Iriel | No |
| 03:53.22 | Iriel | Saved variables are global |
| 03:53.41 | gtsafas | to my addon I thought |
| 03:53.48 | gtsafas | They can be access in other addons? |
| 03:54.13 | gtsafas | not arguing, just trying to understand |
| 03:54.32 | Iriel | Well, other addons can access it, yes |
| 03:54.46 | kd3 | SVs are global. use something based on the name of your addon |
| 03:54.50 | Iriel | Unless you declare it local, or go out of your way to use setfenv, it'll be global |
| 03:55.12 | gtsafas | sorry if this is it just started lua and wow addons tonight :x |
| 03:55.15 | gtsafas | testing brb |
| 03:55.26 | Iriel | also |
| 03:55.34 | Iriel | You forget 'self' on your event handlers |
| 03:55.45 | Iriel | Err, ignore that |
| 03:55.49 | gtsafas | self is in the setscript |
| 03:55.50 | Iriel | You didn't, you just do it wierdly |
| 03:56.12 | gtsafas | I didnt want a ton of if checks |
| 03:56.36 | Iriel | By weirdly i mean you use function EVENTS:BLAH(...) |
| 03:56.50 | Iriel | but really the 'self' isn't going to be an instance of 'events', it'll be the frame |
| 03:57.07 | Iriel | compact but perhaps counter-intuitive |
| 03:57.26 | gtsafas | Sorry I just started this, what are common uses for self? |
| 03:58.06 | Iriel | The use is fine, it's just the definition that's unusual (to me, anyway) |
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| 03:59.19 | Iriel | You could save quite a bit of space |
| 03:59.31 | Iriel | Where you have function events:ADDON_LOADED(...) local mod = ... |
| 03:59.39 | Iriel | You'd be better off doing function events:ADDON_LOADED(mod) |
| 03:59.53 | gtsafas | oh yeah |
| 03:59.55 | Iriel | You're not really benefitting from ... anywhere but line 59 |
| 03:59.57 | gtsafas | im not worried about that atm |
| 04:00.04 | gtsafas | im learning |
| 04:00.16 | gtsafas | this is all testing :) |
| 04:00.27 | kd3 | whistles |
| 04:00.39 | Iriel | In theory, if you make your variable "GT_MOD_Data" instead of "data" |
| 04:00.44 | Iriel | then exit and restart wow completely |
| 04:00.45 | kd3 | intel /confirmed/ the leaked hdcp master key is legit |
| 04:00.47 | Iriel | it /should/ work |
| 04:00.51 | gtsafas | I did that |
| 04:00.53 | gtsafas | it did not |
| 04:01.04 | Iriel | well, does ANY of ti work? |
| 04:01.09 | Iriel | do you get any of the messages you expect? |
| 04:01.16 | gtsafas | yeah everything |
| 04:01.18 | gtsafas | it prints nil |
| 04:01.27 | gtsafas | which is odd, because my condition should be checking for nil |
| 04:01.42 | Iriel | where does it print nil? |
| 04:01.50 | gtsafas | after a reload |
| 04:02.12 | Iriel | If you do /dump GT_MOD_Data |
| 04:02.12 | gtsafas | when I kill a mob it properly prints gtmod_data[targetName] |
| 04:02.15 | Iriel | what do you get? |
| 04:02.17 | gtsafas | sec |
| 04:02.27 | Iriel | (after a reload) |
| 04:02.28 | gtsafas | it shows properly |
| 04:02.41 | gtsafas | hrmm |
| 04:02.49 | gtsafas | Why would I not have access to it at addon load? |
| 04:02.55 | Iriel | I'm not sure you dont |
| 04:02.59 | Iriel | try replacing line 34 with |
| 04:03.09 | Iriel | for k, v in pairs(gtmod_data) do print(k, v) end |
| 04:03.57 | Iriel | It's possible (even likely) your editor isn't working int he right character set |
| 04:04.12 | Iriel | Since your character has an accent in, you have to be certain you have the UTF-8 encoding in that constant |
| 04:04.14 | gtsafas | it printed the event names and I am guessing function: id |
| 04:04.21 | gtsafas | hmm |
| 04:04.24 | Iriel | Maybe you should do... |
| 04:04.27 | gtsafas | Can I end the saved variables to check? |
| 04:04.30 | gtsafas | or does it checksum |
| 04:04.42 | Iriel | print(gtmod_data[UnitName("player")]) |
| 04:04.48 | Iriel | It doesn |
| 04:04.59 | Iriel | It doesn't checksum, but you have to edit it when the game isn't running |
| 04:05.28 | gtsafas | that worked |
| 04:05.41 | Iriel | Your editor is probably not using UTF-8 |
| 04:05.49 | gtsafas | lets see |
| 04:06.20 | gtsafas | it was using Cp1252 |
| 04:06.24 | gtsafas | no clue what that is |
| 04:06.34 | gtsafas | yum |
| 04:06.35 | Iriel | Code Page 1252, i'm sure you could look it up. |
| 04:06.36 | gtsafas | yup* |
| 04:06.40 | Iriel | But anyway, you want UTF-8 for WoW |
| 04:06.43 | gtsafas | that was it |
| 04:06.50 | gtsafas | awesome, thanks so much for your help |
| 04:06.53 | Iriel | or better still, avoid special characters in code files 8-) |
| 04:07.05 | gtsafas | yeah, my player name is dumb :P |
| 04:08.12 | gtsafas | Hey Iriel I really appreciate your help, thanks alot |
| 04:09.12 | Iriel | np |
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| 05:37.20 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:46.41 | Fisker | that sounds bad Kraps |
| 05:48.19 | Jerub | Fisker: meh, sounds fine to me |
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| 07:06.47 | cbreak_work | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/09/17/0247246/HDCP-Master-Key-Is-Legitimate-Blu-ray-Is-Cracked |
| 07:06.48 | cbreak_work | nice |
| 07:06.58 | cbreak_work | although, maybe I should not say that from here... :( |
| 07:07.11 | zenzio | why not? |
| 07:07.24 | kd3 | meh, I think I laughed at the official confirmation in here earlier |
| 07:09.13 | cbreak_work | I work for disney |
| 07:09.34 | kd3 | oh, hah |
| 07:09.46 | gtsafas | yeah? |
| 07:09.46 | kd3 | yeah, that does kinda throw a new wrinkle into the situation |
| 07:09.53 | gtsafas | you better not mess up all the marvel movies |
| 07:09.54 | gtsafas | mr disney |
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| 07:10.18 | mitch0 | cbreak_work: tell them that the "new improved disney autostart" thing is CRAP |
| 07:10.19 | cbreak_work | not in the movie division:) |
| 07:10.30 | cbreak_work | autostart? |
| 07:11.02 | zenzio | you wear costumes, don't you? You just want to entertain! |
| 07:11.22 | mitch0 | yeah, there's this 2 min "commercial" at the beginning of the dvd about how this dvd will autostart after a little while so that I can watch it faster |
| 07:11.29 | cbreak_work | nah, I am in research |
| 07:11.49 | cbreak_work | just skip it :) |
| 07:11.55 | mitch0 | how about skipping all that crap and letting the movie really just start when I put in the dvd? I'll visit the stupid menu when I want to see it... |
| 07:12.10 | kd3 | but that's not user-friendly enough |
| 07:12.20 | mitch0 | uhhum... |
| 07:12.32 | kd3 | we can't have users getting what they want... we need to have what the "user friendliness focus groups" want |
| 07:12.50 | kd3 | grrs at issues going on elsewhere |
| 07:13.02 | zenzio | I still hate how we that buy DVDs are presented with these stupid OMG BUY OUR OTHER MOVIES TOO - OH AND PRIACY IS BAD!!! while the bad guys download versions where this is cut |
| 07:13.17 | mitch0 | when the kids have 5 mins to watch some cartoon or whatever in the morning while they drink their cocoa, it's such a pleasure trying to skip all the bloody crap to let that bloody thing play... |
| 07:13.31 | mitch0 | by the time I get it running, they have to get up and go... |
| 07:13.54 | mitch0 | end result -> I'll pirate most movies, as they just bloody start to play when I put in the dvd... |
| 07:14.12 | mitch0 | also, whoever came up with the no-skip no-fast-forward thing should be shot |
| 07:14.42 | kd3 | probably the movie division at disney. I think it was a disney dvd where I first saw that |
| 07:14.57 | mitch0 | cbreak: in any case, today I'll pour all my hate at you! |
| 07:15.01 | mitch0 | evil bastard |
| 07:16.05 | cbreak_work | :( |
| 07:16.11 | cbreak_work | we're all cool here |
| 07:16.21 | mitch0 | you blew that, sorry |
| 07:16.27 | mitch0 | :P |
| 07:16.57 | mitch0 | next time think twice before you reveal where you work ;) I usually don't do that on irc |
| 07:17.54 | eidolarr | that's because you're not a badass |
| 07:18.03 | zenzio | cbreak_work: so out of curiosity, what sort of stuff do you research? |
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| 07:28.28 | cbreak_work | zenzio: I am not doing research myself, but we have peopole here in the areas of raytracing, stereoscopy, wireless communication, general computer graphics, computer vision |
| 07:28.43 | cbreak_work | I think we had about 14 siggraph papers accepted this year |
| 07:29.00 | Jamash | mind control implants |
| 07:29.00 | zenzio | really? That's interesting |
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| 08:30.04 | Olorin | Anyone Know of any very recent changes to the GetItemInfo function, all my iEquipSlot values are nil, perhaps they've changed the sequence of parameters obtained from the item link |
| 08:32.25 | Olorin | Nevermind, really shouldnt do coding prior to having my morning caffine intake |
| 08:32.46 | Dagmar | I know that feeling |
| 08:33.21 | Olorin | =) |
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| 09:16.03 | bleeter | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lolbash/lolbash/lolbash.sh |
| 09:16.14 | mitch0 | old |
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| 09:19.56 | bleeter | mitch0: 4 teh nubs doh |
| 09:20.06 | bleeter | slaps Fisker with a damp mitch0 |
| 09:20.12 | Fisker | i came |
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| 09:20.46 | bleeter | weekend tiems, i can haz char copy? |
| 09:20.47 | Fisker | btw that was just a coincidence |
| 09:21.06 | bleeter | i can smell bs when i see it |
| 09:21.11 | bleeter | and that stank lots |
| 09:25.19 | bleeter | tekkub: ah right, so all my failed copies have really gone thru ... lol. roster full. |
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| 10:05.15 | Olorin | if i have info.text and info.value etc.. then pass that to a function just using func(info) should the info.text and info .value still be accessable in the passed variable? |
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| 10:12.41 | mitch0 | tekkub: ping |
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| 10:50.40 | cbreak_work | Olorin: think about what info really is |
| 10:51.00 | cbreak_work | it's a table, which gets passed by-reference |
| 10:51.35 | cbreak_work | so of course, if you put something into info["text"], then it will be readable where ever you have access to the table that is stored in info. |
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| 11:40.16 | sylvanaar | im thinking about turning my chat bubble enhancement module into its own addon. have any of you used it, do you think it would make a good standalone addon? |
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| 11:44.58 | sylvanaar | http://my.curse.com/blogs/sylvanaar/archive/2010/09/17/getting-bubbly-with-the-bubbles-module.aspx |
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| 11:48.05 | sylvanaar | oh sorry: http://wow.curse.com/blogs/sylvanaar/archive/2010/09/17/getting-bubbly-with-the-bubbles-module.aspx |
| 11:48.21 | Kalroth | its okay, you dont have to apologize |
| 11:48.35 | Kalroth | We still got Fisker around |
| 11:49.31 | zenzio | you really want people to know your name! |
| 11:49.36 | zenzio | but that looks a bit cool |
| 11:52.00 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 11:52.08 | sylvanaar | it just shows the text hilighting |
| 11:52.35 | sylvanaar | i just cut and pasted it over and over to make a long bubble |
| 11:53.59 | sylvanaar | I guess a standalone version would lack the class coloring - but otherwise would be the samw |
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| 11:58.52 | zenzio | so reading lore speculation threads on MMOC forums can be intriguing |
| 11:59.02 | zenzio | "I think its time we started questioning why Lady Vashj 'decided' to side with Illidan, and why exactly the naga were pumping water from Zangarmarsh. After all, it couldnt have been to drain the dead mire of water, could it? " |
| 11:59.15 | zenzio | thought this was explained pretty well in BC |
| 11:59.39 | amro | who rememebers anything from BC? |
| 11:59.47 | zenzio | I do! |
| 11:59.56 | foxlit | Meh, I recall it being something silly |
| 12:00.00 | foxlit | like "Haha, no water for you!" |
| 12:00.07 | zenzio | yeah, but it was still explained |
| 12:00.16 | Elkano | "Why we are doing it? hmm... 'cause we can!" |
| 12:00.21 | zenzio | given Outland's state, water would be a precious resource |
| 12:00.35 | amro | "We found these giant pumps and there figured we'd better make use of them." |
| 12:00.37 | zenzio | think I generally remember BC better than I do WotLK |
| 12:00.45 | amro | s/and// |
| 12:01.09 | amro | BC lore was a joke |
| 12:01.28 | mitch0 | I got stuck at MC |
| 12:01.42 | amro | blizzard refuses to acknowledge BC ever existed since wotlk |
| 12:01.58 | foxlit | Nah, there are nods |
| 12:01.58 | Kalroth | British Colombia? |
| 12:01.59 | foxlit | Sunwell. |
| 12:02.03 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 12:02.07 | zenzio | amro: I'm not arguing that the lore in Outland was peculiar (to be diplomatic), but I still remember BC better |
| 12:02.13 | foxlit | Hey Fisker. |
| 12:02.16 | Kalroth | slaps Fisker around a lot with a large trout. |
| 12:02.19 | zenzio | WotLK just didn't feel right to my taste |
| 12:02.20 | foxlit | Fisked any fisk lately? |
| 12:03.48 | amro | zenzio: probably because not much happens in wotlk |
| 12:03.56 | amro | mainly a rehash of tft |
| 12:04.11 | amro | but there's some interesting stuff like in the snow peaks |
| 12:04.13 | zenzio | amro: that's not a bad suggestion, that might be why |
| 12:04.54 | amro | and the malygos storyline was not at all memorable considering you get to kill an aspect |
| 12:05.13 | amro | likely because people were too busy cursing the silly vehicle mechanics |
| 12:05.13 | zenzio | that was disappointing |
| 12:05.24 | zenzio | I also had trouble seeing why we got to see Ysera |
| 12:05.26 | foxlit | So they did lose the master HDCP key. |
| 12:05.43 | zenzio | foxlit: they didn't lose it, they just... have to share it now =D |
| 12:06.11 | amro | where was ysera? |
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| 12:07.13 | zenzio | amro: just chillin' in that... emerald dragonshrine or whatever |
| 12:07.18 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 12:07.22 | amro | wasn't that nozdormu? |
| 12:07.28 | zenzio | he was in the bronze |
| 12:07.33 | foxlit | Nozdormu wasn't chilling |
| 12:07.38 | amro | he was killing |
| 12:07.41 | bluspacecow | whats the version number and build number people have at their PTR login screen ? |
| 12:07.49 | foxlit | busy kicking his own ass, I suspect. |
| 12:07.53 | amro | I don't recall seeing ysera though |
| 12:08.10 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=27789 |
| 12:08.30 | amro | that shrine had lashers and condors, so annoying |
| 12:08.36 | amro | I get out of there ASAP |
| 12:08.59 | amro | oh that's right, now I remember |
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| 12:34.21 | alestane | /pounce! |
| 12:34.37 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 12:34.45 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 12:34.50 | bluspacecow | everyone come in at once |
| 12:35.06 | bluspacecow | wowui orgy |
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| 12:38.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, alestane. |
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| 12:51.03 | Kraps | http://thisisindexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/card2690.jpg |
| 12:53.56 | Humbedooh | interesting~ |
| 12:54.50 | Humbedooh | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/striphandler.ashx?stripid=86c5551c-48dc-4e20-a71e-a8f5d9e8badb :\ |
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| 12:58.28 | Olorin | Thanks CBreak I think its because i declared it as local then tried to use it in another function |
| 12:58.44 | cbreak_work | doesn't matter |
| 12:58.57 | cbreak_work | you can pass around variable contents even if the variables themselves are local |
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| 13:00.43 | Olorin | its strange, if i check the contents of info.text then check it in its passed to function which gets received as (self) self.text doesnt have any content, its possible its not being populated correctly when the on_Click function of the dropdown is used. |
| 13:01.17 | Olorin | I'm sure im missunderstanding it, mostly cause ive not touched Lua or any other programming for a good while |
| 13:01.26 | Humbedooh | how are you passing it on? |
| 13:01.52 | Humbedooh | as in, are you calling the function as a function or an object function? |
| 13:02.06 | Humbedooh | (fx obj.func or obj:func) |
| 13:03.11 | Olorin | its being populated as I understand by the UIDropDownMenu_AddButton(info) but the info.func just points to a function name |
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| 13:03.28 | cbreak_work | Olorin: no |
| 13:03.36 | cbreak_work | or... are you sure? |
| 13:03.40 | cbreak_work | a function _name_? |
| 13:03.43 | Olorin | nope not sure lol |
| 13:03.48 | cbreak_work | functions don't really have names in lua |
| 13:04.14 | Humbedooh | is it something like fx... info.func = somefunc ? |
| 13:04.46 | Olorin | info.func = DDItemSlotMenu_OnClick then DDItemSlotMenu_OnClick(self) |
| 13:05.17 | Humbedooh | is it something like fx... info.func = function(caller) DDItemSlotMenu_OnClick(caller) end; |
| 13:05.19 | Olorin | self.value contains the correct value number for the option in the list |
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| 13:05.34 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 13:05.38 | Humbedooh | moo moo |
| 13:05.49 | Olorin | cry cry |
| 13:06.37 | unfo- | pew pew |
| 13:06.38 | Humbedooh | or rather, try info.func = function(...) print(...) DDItemSlotMenu_OnClick(...) end |
| 13:07.21 | Legorol | Olorin: try and paste the relevant section of your code to wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 13:07.28 | Legorol | makes it easier for people to help |
| 13:07.36 | Humbedooh | pft, that'd make it easy, Legorol! |
| 13:07.36 | Olorin | ok I'll give that a try in a lil bit gotta fix a laptop.. |
| 13:07.50 | Humbedooh | we wanna just blindly guess our way to a solution ;> |
| 13:08.09 | Olorin | Will do. thanks |
| 13:11.40 | Legorol | Humbedooh: sorry to have ruined your fun :( |
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| 13:13.48 | Olorin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/140708 my code has repetition as I duplicated another dropdown where values needed changing from the list in order to use them |
| 13:15.38 | Olorin | basic idea of addon is to darken areas of guild bank that dont match criteria |
| 13:15.56 | Kraps | http://www.pinkpigtailinn.com/2010/09/generation-gap-keeps-us-apart.html |
| 13:15.59 | Humbedooh | why do I see "this" :\ |
| 13:15.59 | Olorin | back in a few, must fix a laptop, sorry, thanks for any advice |
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| 13:16.03 | Humbedooh | it's evil! |
| 13:16.26 | Olorin | its remarked out isnt it? |
| 13:16.32 | Humbedooh | it's still evil! |
| 13:17.06 | Humbedooh | have you tried dumping the contents of whatever "self" you get passed? |
| 13:17.30 | Olorin | only self.text and self .value .value is correctly passed |
| 13:17.36 | amro | I don't recommend dumping the contents of onesefl |
| 13:17.42 | Humbedooh | ;p |
| 13:17.44 | Olorin | hehe |
| 13:17.57 | harl | does anyone by chance know the in-mpq file name of the sound loop the dalaran well portal to the underbelly gets played all the time? |
| 13:17.57 | mitch0 | olorin: bagnon has a search feature that does exactly what you describe (make non-matching stuff dark) |
| 13:18.17 | Olorin | I like it and use it for bags but I prefer my own for guild bank |
| 13:18.43 | Humbedooh | tried UIDropDownMenu_GetText(DDItemTypeMenu); or something? |
| 13:18.57 | Olorin | it worked fine for 3.3 but since updating for cata I thought i'd try to code it better |
| 13:18.58 | Humbedooh | if that even exists |
| 13:19.09 | Olorin | I havnt as of yet Humbedooh |
| 13:19.28 | Olorin | saw the function but thought unnecessary... till now perhaps |
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| 13:27.45 | zenzio | duck rush! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/17/funny-pictures-begin-teh-invasion/ |
| 13:29.10 | Ackis | good moring |
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| 13:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | QUACK! |
| 13:36.33 | Ackis | I saw snow yesterday |
| 13:36.39 | Ackis | and it's below freezing temperature right now |
| 13:37.51 | alestane | 'S September. That's a little early here, but aren't you in Alberta? |
| 13:41.34 | Ackis | yeah |
| 13:41.44 | Ackis | it's about -11 at the airport with windchill today |
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| 13:44.37 | Ackis | Winter is coming. |
| 13:44.39 | Ackis | giggles |
| 13:45.41 | Ackis | I got a message from a fan of Ackis Recipe List on xbox live |
| 13:45.48 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 13:45.52 | Humbedooh | was he/she hot? |
| 13:46.16 | Ackis | dunno |
| 13:46.22 | Ackis | are you hot? |
| 13:46.24 | Ackis | are you a she? |
| 13:46.29 | Humbedooh | yes and no |
| 13:46.32 | Ackis | oh |
| 13:46.35 | Ackis | are you an elf then? |
| 13:46.40 | Humbedooh | pft |
| 13:46.55 | mitch0 | an "elf" (you know!) |
| 13:47.04 | Humbedooh | oh, one of those elves ;o |
| 13:48.01 | Ackis | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/12/2/ |
| 13:48.35 | Humbedooh | hrrr |
| 13:50.26 | Ackis | so... are you an elf? |
| 13:50.55 | mitch0 | ackis: you know there's only one reason you should ask that question |
| 13:51.02 | mitch0 | so that makes you an elf, too |
| 13:51.21 | Ackis | nah |
| 13:51.24 | Ackis | Imma Ackis |
| 13:51.25 | zenzio | he's an e.out |
| 13:51.27 | zenzio | ... |
| 13:51.29 | zenzio | a.out |
| 13:51.32 | zenzio | fail joke fails |
| 13:51.34 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.mikma.eu/baby/Kuva0059.jpg |
| 13:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | wants to be an elf. Or do one. These verbs are so confusing. |
| 13:51.40 | Ackis | which means I play the ugliest races in games |
| 13:51.50 | Ackis | Mon Calamari, Troll, and Froglok |
| 13:53.23 | industrial | mikma: what have we got there? |
| 13:53.47 | Ackis | mikma: is that little bundle of joy and happiness an elf? |
| 13:54.05 | Ackis | cuz that would make you an elf too |
| 13:54.42 | mikma | industrial: my babygirl =) |
| 13:54.48 | Ackis | http://is.gd/ff4tB |
| 13:54.56 | Ackis | GH5 guitar for $20 on amazon.com |
| 13:55.17 | industrial | mikma: zomg grats mang |
| 13:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Baby girl is fuzzy beautiful, mikma. |
| 13:55.53 | Ackis | her cheeks need pinching!!! |
| 13:56.07 | mikma | better resolution pics are coming when i get home |
| 13:56.09 | Ackis | how old mikma? |
| 13:56.14 | Ackis | and name? |
| 13:56.30 | mikma | ackis: 4h 3min, name is a secret, yet =) |
| 13:56.39 | Ackis | oh wow |
| 13:56.44 | Ackis | freshly minted |
| 13:56.50 | Ackis | ~mikma++ |
| 13:56.55 | Ackis | grats daddy |
| 13:56.57 | zenzio | you named her Tyrande, didn't you |
| 13:57.00 | Ackis | she's beautiful :) |
| 13:57.21 | mikma | thanks ackis =) |
| 13:58.16 | Ackis | have you bought your shotgun yet? |
| 13:58.17 | Humbedooh | onnea and such and such |
| 13:58.18 | alestane | There's worse things to name a kid...simpler, lower-hassle things too, admittedly. |
| 13:58.38 | alestane | But one of my friends named her boy Vanyel. |
| 13:58.51 | mikma | ackis: not yet, but maybe later |
| 13:58.51 | Ackis | I told my fiancee when/if we have a daughter, I'm building a porch, buying a rocking chair and getting a shotgun |
| 13:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Since Vanyel died a messy painful death, um... but hey, whatever works for your kidlet. |
| 13:59.45 | amro | wait, babies come from the internet? |
| 13:59.48 | amro | that raises more questions than it answers |
| 13:59.49 | mikma | bbl |
| 13:59.55 | Humbedooh | ofc |
| 14:00.07 | Humbedooh | delivered by the iStorck |
| 14:00.36 | alestane | She absolutely adores the character, Lopeppeppy. Of course, the boy was born with cystic fibrosis, which significantly reduces his life expectancy past 20 IIRC. |
| 14:00.46 | Humbedooh | s/iStorck/iStork/ |
| 14:00.54 | Humbedooh | gently pats purl. |
| 14:01.23 | Ackis | thinks Humbedooh is an iDork |
| 14:01.47 | Humbedooh | never |
| 14:01.59 | Humbedooh | In fact, I gots no apple stuff at all! |
| 14:02.32 | Humbedooh | thinks Ackis is an Ackis! |
| 14:02.44 | Ackis | NO U |
| 14:03.55 | Humbedooh | nuh-uh! |
| 14:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis. |
| 14:05.08 | Ackis | did I do something wrong? |
| 14:05.16 | Humbedooh | most likely |
| 14:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | POKE! |
| 14:05.39 | Ackis | usually I do |
| 14:06.02 | Humbedooh | but you're quite good at it |
| 14:06.06 | Humbedooh | that's something :) |
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| 14:10.34 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2005-Gamer |
| 14:11.43 | Jamash | 38 seconds, first inaccuracy |
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| 14:12.25 | Jamash | we do in fact call filmgoers filmgoers, movie buffs, art movie snobs, etc. |
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| 14:13.01 | Jamash | and, uh, yes we call readers readers |
| 14:13.22 | Ackis | "Mikma receives loot: [Human Youngling]. Use: Right-click to summon and dismiss your Level 1 Human companion." |
| 14:13.24 | Ackis | lulz |
| 14:13.51 | Jamash | if only |
| 14:14.24 | Jamash | make that "Right-click to summon your Level 1 Human companion. Companion will remain summoned for at least 18 years." |
| 14:16.27 | Humbedooh | what's the vendor value of those items currently, I wonder.. |
| 14:17.27 | Fisker | i came Ackis |
| 14:19.21 | Kraps | Jamash: those are terms for hardcore users of the medium, and they dont have near as large the stigma that "gamer" has |
| 14:19.21 | Humbedooh | grats, Fisker |
| 14:19.56 | Jamash | He's saying there's a stigma because there's a word for it and there isn't a word for other types of media consumer |
| 14:20.13 | Jamash | well, there are words for every other type of media consumer, so, fail |
| 14:20.21 | Fisker | thanks Humbedooh |
| 14:20.27 | Humbedooh | not so much that there's a word for it |
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| 14:20.38 | Humbedooh | but more that it's considered something out of the ordinary |
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| 14:21.03 | Kraps | he mentions bibliophile and audiophile right after that |
| 14:21.12 | Humbedooh | watching a movie is considered entertainment - playing wow for 2 hours is considered a waste of time ;> |
| 14:21.24 | Jamash | but the words don't really have anything to do with it |
| 14:22.21 | Humbedooh | I think it's more a pondering about _why_ we have the term "gamer" than an actual discussion of the word |
| 14:22.51 | Jamash | for the same reason as we have words in general? |
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| 14:23.18 | Humbedooh | now you're just being a dick :p |
| 14:23.25 | Jamash | No, I'm serious |
| 14:23.34 | Jamash | It's like saying society stigmatizes people who hike because they're called "hikers" |
| 14:23.36 | Humbedooh | okay, why we _apply_ the term then |
| 14:23.45 | Jamash | oh wait we don't and it's irrelevant |
| 14:24.06 | Humbedooh | aaanywho, I gots guests and such, afk~ |
| 14:26.25 | Kraps | the point is that even if the term was "game-eneer" in that context it would still be a stigma |
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| 14:29.58 | Jamash | The stigma is attached to the subculture, not the word for the subculture. |
| 14:30.39 | amro | ^ |
| 14:31.25 | Jamash | as I just posted in the comments, I did google searches for the terms "avid reader", "casual reader", "hardcore gamer" and "casual gamer" |
| 14:31.32 | Jamash | the terms for readers got more hits |
| 14:31.54 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I got 3/4 daily challenges done last night |
| 14:32.00 | Ackis | rocket firefights == stupid |
| 14:34.04 | Jamash | what game, Ackis? |
| 14:34.11 | Ackis | Halo Reach |
| 14:34.18 | Jamash | never heard of it |
| 14:34.25 | Ackis | ~Jamash-- |
| 14:34.27 | Ackis | :| |
| 14:34.31 | Jamash | hahahahahahaha |
| 14:35.31 | Jamash | did you see the promotional video where they got a guy with an actual jetpack to fly around Trafalgar Square a bit in a Spartan outfit? |
| 14:35.41 | Ackis | yeah |
| 14:35.47 | Ackis | did you see the live action commercial? |
| 14:35.52 | Ackis | 22 achievements out of 49 won btw /cheer |
| 14:35.56 | Jamash | probably |
| 14:36.01 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:36.13 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLfOKQLkuJc |
| 14:36.28 | Ackis | this is the 2nd or third live action commercial, they need to make a Halo movie IMO |
| 14:37.14 | Ackis | wait that's the wrong one |
| 14:37.17 | Ackis | still sexy though |
| 14:38.08 | Jamash | or just make an Ender's Game movie and be done with |
| 14:38.13 | Arrowmaster | who is Soultarith? |
| 14:38.20 | Arrowmaster | is that somebody from in here? |
| 14:38.20 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 14:38.21 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0iXs01piok |
| 14:38.22 | Fisker | halo sucks |
| 14:38.38 | Fisker | in the cityyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 14:40.50 | Ackis | apparently they're making an Oblivion movie |
| 14:42.37 | Jamash | Doesn't everyone on Reach die anyway? |
| 14:42.47 | Ackis | yeah |
| 14:42.52 | Ackis | it's like the Titanic |
| 14:42.54 | Ackis | you know how it ends |
| 14:42.59 | Ackis | you just don't know how it begins |
| 14:44.12 | Jamash | all I know about Halo I learned from ILB |
| 14:44.34 | Ackis | ILB? |
| 14:45.39 | Jamash | I Love Bees |
| 14:46.36 | mitch0 | so, is portal good? |
| 14:46.43 | Jamash | yes |
| 14:47.29 | Elkano | mitch0, you didn't play it even though it was handed out for free several times? |
| 14:48.08 | mitch0 | I don't play |
| 14:48.23 | mitch0 | apart from 2 month of nethack half a year ago, and now a bit of wow |
| 14:49.06 | Jamash | I would go so far to say that (as long as you don't get motion sickness from FPS) if you play only one pc game it should be Portal |
| 14:49.35 | mitch0 | wonder if my son would enjoy it. (7yo) |
| 14:50.14 | Elkano | does your pc have a nvidia grafics card? |
| 14:50.22 | mitch0 | nope |
| 14:50.26 | mitch0 | I have ATI |
| 14:50.31 | mitch0 | (an old one :) |
| 14:51.50 | Elkano | oh, forget I asked, the demo is open to anyone ^^ |
| 14:51.59 | Elkano | http://store.steampowered.com/app/400/ |
| 14:55.44 | Ackis | why are my campaign games in reach considered custom games? |
| 14:56.48 | nicoli_s | dunno |
| 14:56.51 | Elkano | because it's you |
| 14:57.15 | Ackis | I started playing better and better last night nicoli_s, I actually got some high scores |
| 14:57.33 | Ackis | I beat Arrowmaster's score in a game mode (generate defense firefight) within the first 30 seconds hehe |
| 15:00.02 | Ackis | http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=26081529&player=CanadaAckis |
| 15:00.39 | Kraps | wtb halo for pc |
| 15:02.25 | Ackis | "Kill 150 enemies in multiplayer Matchmaking." does that count Firefight? |
| 15:02.42 | industrial | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/pubic_hare.jpg |
| 15:04.01 | nicoli_s | Ackis:sweet, i think im going to ghetto rig my HD today so i can play co-op firefight |
| 15:05.18 | Ackis | I'm enjoying it, it's just lame how you get kicked if you team kill on accident even |
| 15:05.21 | Ackis | aka rocketfight |
| 15:05.29 | Ackis | last night I got kicked while my kick screen was up |
| 15:06.51 | nicoli_s | didnt know that, hadnt played firefight yet |
| 15:07.00 | Fisker | nicoli_smen |
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| 15:07.10 | nicoli_s | but yeah ive gotten alot better myself, got first place in about half my games last night |
| 15:08.10 | Ackis | I should try to finish the campaign this weekend |
| 15:12.15 | alestane | Running into a weird C construct: (void)(expr). My best guess at the moment is that it allows (expr) to be used as a statement, discarding the final value. Anyone familiar with this? |
| 15:13.04 | cogwheel | it's a cast |
| 15:13.14 | foxlit | Not that you should need to cast anything into a void |
| 15:13.24 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 15:13.58 | foxlit | alestane: without context, it's hard to tell whether you actually need it |
| 15:14.02 | foxlit | 2; is a valid statement, too. |
| 15:15.01 | alestane | Then I suspect it's forcing the value of the expression to be discarded, so that it can't inadvertently be lexed with something nearby. It was in a macro definition. |
| 15:15.25 | cogwheel | yeah, macros have to do crazy things like that |
| 15:15.38 | alestane | I understand that it's a cast, and also went "So why would you cast something to nothing?" |
| 15:15.54 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/17822/garfield_zalgo_8.jpg |
| 15:16.40 | alestane | It's used in a "(void)((condition) || someCall());" environment. |
| 15:17.22 | alestane | Although it seems like that could be expressed more cleanly as "if(cond) someCall();" |
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| 15:18.03 | foxlit | (condition) || someCall()); is also valid |
| 15:18.14 | foxlit | s/(/((/ |
| 15:18.42 | Cide | does it prevent you from assigning it to a variable? |
| 15:18.47 | alestane | Yes, although since its semantic is to behave as a void function, casting it to void prevents incorrect code from compiling. |
| 15:19.35 | Cide | I'm guessing it's meant to be used as a statement macro rather than an expression macro? |
| 15:20.05 | Cide | not sure if I added anything to the discussion or if that was your guess already :P |
| 15:20.34 | Cide | or if I'm just wrong because I fail at c |
| 15:21.25 | alestane | That's pretty much what I was figuring, yes. The docs actually define it as a void function; the implementation provides it as a macro front-end to another function. |
| 15:22.02 | alestane | So I think they're trying to force it to behave syntactically like one. |
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| 15:23.36 | Mikk | quite |
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| 15:30.09 | Flowy | hello |
| 15:30.27 | Flowy | how to add link to chat that executes my function after click? |
| 15:31.13 | Flowy | *into |
| 15:32.45 | Mikk | you hook the SetItemRef function |
| 15:32.51 | Mikk | and create your own link type |
| 15:33.12 | foxlit | Don't |
| 15:33.17 | Mikk | like |Hmyaddon:extradatagoeshere|h[Display Text Goes Here]|h |
| 15:33.18 | foxlit | Don't hook SetItemRef |
| 15:33.20 | Mikk | mkay? |
| 15:33.40 | foxlit | It's ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow that you want |
| 15:33.53 | Mikk | ohyeah |
| 15:33.56 | Mikk | my bad |
| 15:34.02 | foxlit | SIR ends up tainting everything and its grandmother |
| 15:34.37 | Cide | including your mom |
| 15:34.54 | Cide | ^ unverified |
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| 15:36.14 | Flowy | its event or function? |
| 15:36.16 | Flowy | or what? |
| 15:36.39 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: ive only played generator defense like twice |
| 15:37.38 | Flowy | self |
| 15:37.38 | Flowy | table (Frame) - ChatFrame in which the link was clicked |
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| 15:38.11 | Flowy | how would be "return" in the call function? |
| 15:39.33 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: don't play it, it's bad |
| 15:40.01 | Flowy | how to use ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow? |
| 15:40.19 | Arrowmaster | "Earn 30 assists today in multiplayer Matchmaking" |
| 15:40.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: me, you, multi team |
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| 15:42.37 | Ackis | can those be done in firefight at all Arrowmaster? |
| 15:42.41 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 15:43.01 | Ackis | meh not getting any of them done today then |
| 15:44.35 | foxlit | Flowy: http://www.wowwiki.com/Hooking_functions#Hooking_a_function |
| 15:46.57 | sylvanaar | ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow? just calls SetItemRef |
| 15:47.07 | sylvanaar | least it used to |
| 15:47.19 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 15:47.22 | foxlit | Yes, it does. |
| 15:48.14 | foxlit | But why would that be interesting? :) |
| 15:49.39 | sylvanaar | well, why not just hoot setitemref then |
| 15:49.57 | sylvanaar | s/hoot/hook |
| 15:50.02 | sylvanaar | s/hoot/hook/ |
| 15:50.05 | sylvanaar | we |
| 15:50.41 | foxlit | sylvanaar: because someone else hooks setitemref |
| 15:51.02 | sylvanaar | like me? =P |
| 15:51.05 | foxlit | And we really don't want them to get the version tainted by our hook |
| 15:51.25 | sylvanaar | i see |
| 15:53.17 | sylvanaar | dunno how you can avoid tainting SIR |
| 15:54.17 | sylvanaar | is it possible ? |
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| 16:03.31 | Arrowmaster | just dominated a team slayer match |
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| 16:11.43 | nicoli_s | i love me some team slayer |
| 16:11.48 | nicoli_s | BTB classic is fun too |
| 16:11.54 | nicoli_s | i much prefer larger size games |
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| 16:16.33 | nicoli_s | haha http://www.famitsu.com/news/201009/17033688.html colonel sanders in a jrpg |
| 16:16.37 | nicoli_s | def didnt see that coming |
| 16:19.38 | TC-Work | Shirik: i might see your 5D and rase you a 60D |
| 16:19.44 | TC-Work | raise* |
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| 16:27.37 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 16:27.38 | Fisker | i me you |
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| 16:27.52 | TC-Work | you me i? |
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| 16:31.47 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:44.03 | TC-Work | Master |
| 16:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | *shiver* |
| 16:46.25 | Fisker | jerks |
| 16:48.27 | Fisker | i jerksed you Lopeppeppy |
| 16:48.45 | alestane | gives Lopeppeppy a sweater. |
| 16:49.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, Fisker jerked me. I didn't think I had the equipment for that... |
| 16:50.05 | Fisker | can i go to the toilet Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | Please do, Fisker. |
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| 16:54.01 | Flowy | how to get which channels are showed in my chatwindow? |
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| 17:00.15 | alestane | /chatwho, isn't it? |
| 17:01.57 | cogwheel | no that shows who is in a given channel |
| 17:02.06 | cogwheel | right click and look at the settings |
| 17:03.59 | Fisker | butt cogwheel |
| 17:04.36 | Flowy | cogwheel I need it for addon ... is there table for that? |
| 17:06.00 | Arrowmaster | wow 355 from the slot machine |
| 17:07.02 | Fisker | BUTT Arrowmaster |
| 17:07.03 | Lopeppeppy | Is this good? |
| 17:09.02 | inviso | Flowy, http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Channel_Functions |
| 17:09.14 | inviso | Specifically, GetChannelList() |
| 17:10.08 | Flowy | it returns all channels that I'm listening |
| 17:10.32 | Flowy | I need just channels that show in custom chatwindow |
| 17:11.16 | sylvanaar | yeah the channel api is annoying |
| 17:12.02 | sylvanaar | GetChatWindowChannels |
| 17:12.17 | sylvanaar | GetChatWindowChannel |
| 17:12.38 | foxlit | meh at the chat api, really |
| 17:12.58 | Flowy | sylvanaar thanks I found this before |
| 17:13.04 | foxlit | Things could be so much simpler if they implemented more things in Lua rather thanC |
| 17:13.09 | Flowy | but dont know how to get info from table |
| 17:13.15 | Flowy | local DefaultMessages = { GetChatWindowMessages(self:GetID()) }; |
| 17:13.45 | Flowy | trying "for i,k in pairs(DefaultMessages) do print(i,k) end" but it prints just numbers |
| 17:14.06 | sylvanaar | name1, zone1, name2, zone2, ... |
| 17:15.07 | sylvanaar | you then pass name1 to GetChannelName( |
| 17:15.11 | sylvanaar | i think |
| 17:16.04 | sylvanaar | i actually rewrote a portion of the Channel api because of difficulties like these |
| 17:16.27 | sylvanaar | for example, there are 3 ways you can refer to a channel |
| 17:16.55 | sylvanaar | number, name, and localized name |
| 17:26.57 | Flowy | when I get chatwindow name from event its table |
| 17:27.20 | Flowy | can I extract name from this table? |
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| 18:02.58 | mikma | http://www.topstrange.com/look-a-little-bit-closer-2634 |
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| 18:04.24 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:05.41 | Fisker | i like that mikma |
| 18:05.53 | Fisker | http://www.topstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Look-a-Little-Bit-Closer-15.jpg |
| 18:06.46 | mikma | everyone has seem to like that one |
| 18:12.33 | Adys | http://www.ambassadortickets.com/2163/689/Woking-Theatres/New-Victoria-Theatre/Derren-Brown---Svengali |
| 18:12.43 | Adys | Derren Brown on tour in 2011 |
| 18:12.50 | Adys | london tickets here, good stuff |
| 18:13.18 | nicoli_s | derren brown? |
| 18:13.24 | Adys | wiki it |
| 18:16.00 | Fisker | i just lost about 20 tabs Adys |
| 18:16.10 | Adys | ctrl shift t |
| 18:16.37 | Fisker | whoa |
| 18:16.47 | Fisker | that's like Neo realizing he can stop bullets and shit that right there |
| 18:16.58 | Adys | yes it is |
| 18:18.11 | Fisker | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/static/eb/drfront/images/2010-09/17/37-b94c793f-fb788dde.jpeg <-nonono you're supposed to hit the ball with the paddle, not headbutt it |
| 18:18.46 | Kraps | watched batman begins again, awesome |
| 18:18.56 | Cide | umadman? |
| 18:19.09 | Kraps | no u |
| 18:19.23 | Adys | ubatman? |
| 18:20.18 | Kraps | ok now you're just pushing it |
| 18:20.41 | nicoli_s | i wonder if hitting a ball with yer head is a legal move |
| 18:20.46 | Adys | uscatman? |
| 18:21.03 | Adys | headballs nicoli_s |
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| 18:21.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hope he didn't hit himself in the face, trying to hit the ball as it bounced off his face... |
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| 18:25.07 | Fisker | a |
| 18:25.10 | Fisker | b |
| 18:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | c d e d b d feet! |
| 18:25.44 | alestane | m r ducks |
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| 18:27.00 | Ackis | a s d f |
| 18:27.04 | Ackis | q w e r t t |
| 18:27.07 | Ackis | damn |
| 18:27.28 | Arrowmaster | SHIRIK! |
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| 18:28.17 | Ackis | anyone here remember black & white? |
| 18:28.17 | haste | q w f p g |
| 18:28.21 | haste | yes |
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| 18:28.44 | Ackis | Peter Molyneux alluded to doing something like that with MS Kinect |
| 18:28.53 | Cidan | that'd be neat |
| 18:28.56 | Cidan | I loved B&W |
| 18:29.03 | Fisker | double rainbow |
| 18:29.06 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 18:29.06 | Cidan | all the way |
| 18:29.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik has a female spartan |
| 18:29.23 | Ackis | lulz |
| 18:29.26 | Cidan | s/has/is/ |
| 18:29.32 | Fisker | i'm playing Project Spartan |
| 18:30.26 | Ackis | I wonder why they called Age of Empires that |
| 18:30.41 | Fisker | codename? |
| 18:31.01 | Ackis | derp |
| 18:31.19 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 18:31.19 | Shirik | sup |
| 18:31.27 | Shirik | and of course! |
| 18:31.35 | Shirik | also, what do you want to do |
| 18:31.39 | Arrowmaster | team slayer |
| 18:31.42 | Shirik | oh god |
| 18:31.46 | Arrowmaster | daily challenges |
| 18:31.55 | Shirik | wtf is daily challenge |
| 18:31.55 | nicoli_s | Fisker: what about NDA |
| 18:32.08 | Arrowmaster | press start then go down to challenges |
| 18:32.17 | nicoli_s | are those the daily ones or the weekly ones? |
| 18:32.18 | Arrowmaster | top 4 are daily |
| 18:32.24 | Arrowmaster | bottom 1 is weekly |
| 18:32.27 | nicoli_s | ahh ok |
| 18:32.35 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:32.38 | Fisker | you suck |
| 18:32.40 | Fisker | i'm rock |
| 18:32.48 | nicoli_s | Fisker:im reporting you for breaking NDA |
| 18:32.59 | Fisker | you can't |
| 18:33.09 | nicoli_s | yeah huh |
| 18:33.14 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 18:37.55 | Fisker | i require sleep |
| 18:37.59 | Fisker | pop |
| 18:39.17 | Ackis | pop |
| 18:40.14 | Lunessa | Ackis: why does this sound like something you would be guilty of? http://tfl.nu/97jt |
| 18:40.38 | Fisker | pop |
| 18:40.45 | Ackis | pop |
| 18:41.02 | Fisker | sanddick |
| 18:41.11 | Ackis | Lunessa: can't be me, only people I tell to get me sammichs are females |
| 18:41.50 | Fisker | yeah yeah yeah |
| 18:42.23 | Flowy | can I call event like its fired from server? (adding message throught CHAT_MSG_) |
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| 18:48.55 | malreth | I don't get invited to any of the cool parties: http://www.kontraband.com/pics/24026/Girls-Cat-Stolen-At-Gang-Bang/ |
| 18:49.35 | nevcairiel | because you would steal cats |
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| 18:51.18 | Ackis | hey cogwheel global warming is fake |
| 18:51.29 | Ackis | so is climate change |
| 18:51.34 | Ackis | it's correctly called Global Climate Disruption |
| 18:52.16 | Ackis | http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/16/white-house-global-warming-global-climate-disruption/ |
| 18:53.52 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, what do you think of my moronic friends :) |
| 18:53.58 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:54.09 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:54.14 | Fisker | MSSQL is pretty awesome |
| 18:54.29 | Fisker | i increased performance tenfold by viewing the properties of a database |
| 18:54.36 | Ackis | Shirik: are they worse than me? worse than Fisker? |
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| 18:57.15 | nicoli_s | fisker: ms sql > my sql |
| 18:57.28 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:57.29 | Pneumatus^ | my sql > your sql |
| 18:57.50 | haste | vacuums Fisker |
| 18:59.25 | Ackis | hey guys: http://bit.ly/cq3jdh |
| 18:59.36 | Fisker | ahaste |
| 18:59.38 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 19:01.39 | haste | Fisker: http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/111d5b9fade43bc1ee14af019d217031.jpg this will make you healthy! |
| 19:02.27 | nevcairiel | is that funny when you understand the text? |
| 19:02.41 | nevcairiel | because surely, its not otherwise |
| 19:02.50 | haste | it's just odd :P |
| 19:03.49 | malreth | haste: SFW? |
| 19:03.53 | haste | yes |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:04.00 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 19:04.11 | haste | it's a comic with no point :P |
| 19:04.53 | nevcairiel | she is buying a fridge or something and just measuring how wide it can be with her arms .. i don't get it :p |
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| 19:06.15 | malreth | the title of the comic is "Tactics" |
| 19:07.28 | malreth | and yeah... she wants a refrigerator next to her TV? |
| 19:07.29 | jaxdahl | what's the link to the repo of the latest dump of the cata ui code? |
| 19:07.52 | malreth | oh... no... nvm. that's not a tv |
| 19:07.55 | haste | ããããã means fridge, so the text isn't exactly required :P |
| 19:08.00 | nevcairiel | http://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source |
| 19:08.23 | nevcairiel | http://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/tree/cataclysm more specifically |
| 19:08.51 | jaxdahl | ty |
| 19:09.02 | malreth | "refrigerator fair"? |
| 19:09.39 | haste | yeah, that's my guess to it |
| 19:10.37 | haste | it's a very obscure game reference tho' |
| 19:10.53 | malreth | it's just a simple comic about how she measured the space for the fridge with her arms... that's her "tactic" |
| 19:11.10 | nevcairiel | its pointless |
| 19:11.54 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/libit2.png |
| 19:12.11 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:12.22 | haste | malreth: sec, I'll grab a pic :P |
| 19:13.03 | nevcairiel | thinks haste is going to his kitchen now and measuring his fridge with his arms, while taking a picture |
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| 19:13.42 | haste | no, I'm going to fetch my camera and laptop :P |
| 19:14.12 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i wanted to move my fridge to the other wall |
| 19:14.17 | nevcairiel | i should do that tomorrow |
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| 19:15.34 | haste | the char in the comic always hold her hands like that :P |
| 19:15.44 | haste | or is portrait like it in the games, but I can't remember which it was |
| 19:15.50 | haste | so I just fetched the char book :P |
| 19:17.40 | Lunessa | Wait, fridge? DOes this lead to delicious noms in my near future? |
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| 19:19.14 | haste | http://beverpung.net/images/stuff/IMG_0456.JPG -o- |
| 19:21.10 | nevcairiel | doesnt look like her |
| 19:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | all your noms are belong to me! |
| 19:22.18 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUmCyGIG29A in the game :P |
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| 19:23.13 | haste | the player is cheating in the video :( |
| 19:24.10 | Lunessa | nom nom nom |
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| 19:25.54 | Xinhuan | steam sale! monkey island bundle |
| 19:26.11 | Lunessa | Oh man, the original Monkey Island was the BOMB |
| 19:26.15 | Xinhuan | and its cheaper than in july =.= |
| 19:26.26 | Xinhuan | in july, you paid 9.99 for bth MI2 and MI |
| 19:26.31 | Xinhuan | now its 7.99 |
| 19:27.10 | nevcairiel | i hope the remakes, not the old one |
| 19:28.43 | haste | wonders how long the sale is. |
| 19:28.44 | Adys | 2 mage, 2 priest, 2 dk, 4 pally. icc10 |
| 19:28.45 | Adys | >< |
| 19:28.45 | haste | it's both nevcairiel |
| 19:29.06 | haste | the new one can be played with the old graphics |
| 19:29.51 | nevcairiel | but but, who would want that |
| 19:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | old geeks who have little better to do than reply past glories? |
| 19:31.50 | haste | I somehow decided that I should play through max payne last week |
| 19:31.54 | haste | working on the second game now :P |
| 19:32.02 | Adys | dont haste |
| 19:32.04 | Adys | stick with the first |
| 19:32.12 | durcyn | i made it about 10 minutes into MP2 before i broke the DVD in half and lit it on fire |
| 19:32.13 | haste | almost done with part one on the second :( |
| 19:32.16 | haste | its' seems pretty short |
| 19:32.21 | haste | and a lot easier |
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| 19:32.24 | Adys | and lame |
| 19:32.31 | haste | mona sax! |
| 19:32.35 | Adys | meh |
| 19:32.45 | haste | I'm starting to run out of games these days |
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| 19:32.50 | haste | at least single-player |
| 19:33.11 | Adys | gog.com |
| 19:33.12 | Adys | hf |
| 19:33.22 | Adys | (grab edge of chaos) |
| 19:33.28 | haste | they need to work under wine as well! |
| 19:33.35 | Adys | mmh |
| 19:33.40 | Adys | gog has wine support forums |
| 19:33.44 | Adys | or sth |
| 19:34.24 | Cairenn | mikma: so are we three now? |
| 19:34.38 | Cairenn | (forgot to ask yesterday) |
| 19:34.55 | alestane | Yes, Cairenn. |
| 19:35.11 | Cairenn | Rawrness! |
| 19:35.11 | alestane | He posted a picture earlier. |
| 19:35.15 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 19:35.25 | malreth | i was thinking of making a bullet-hell game for iOS |
| 19:35.28 | Cairenn | bebe girl or bebe boy? |
| 19:35.34 | malreth | but someone else did it already http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/08/28/send-your-iphone-or-ipad-to-bullet-hell-with-dodonpachi-resurrection/ |
| 19:35.42 | alestane | Girl, I believe. |
| 19:35.48 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 19:36.01 | Ackis | 07:51mikmacairenn|afk: http://www.mikma.eu/baby/Kuva0059.jpg |
| 19:36.02 | Cairenn | bebes are the bestestestest! |
| 19:36.05 | alestane | And what would you have said if it were a boy? |
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| 19:36.17 | Cairenn | I would have said awwwww |
| 19:36.31 | alestane | That's sort of what I thought. |
| 19:36.49 | Cairenn | that's the "omg that's so cute/sweet/wonderful" type awww, not the "gee what a disappointment" type awww |
| 19:36.58 | alestane | I know. |
| 19:37.01 | alestane | http://www.mikma.eu/baby/Kuva0059.jpg |
| 19:37.25 | Ackis | ~fail alestane |
| 19:37.25 | purl | alestane: FAIL! |
| 19:37.37 | Cairenn | and I say again |
| 19:37.40 | Cairenn | bebes are the bestestestest! |
| 19:37.57 | TMcMahon51 | until they keep you up for the 3rd night in a row. |
| 19:38.16 | Lunessa | Nah, they're still pretty cool then. |
| 19:38.28 | mikma | there's more |
| 19:38.36 | Cairenn | been there, done that, got the not-a-bebe-anymore, and they're still the bestestestest |
| 19:38.38 | mikma | i added all the pics i took today at http://www.mikma.eu/baby/ |
| 19:38.45 | Lunessa | It's when they total your car, drink all your liquor, screw the neighbor's kid and scream "I HATE YOU!" that you don't like them so much. |
| 19:38.55 | Cairenn | Happy Father's Day mikma!!!! (if a day late) |
| 19:39.04 | Cairenn | huggles mikma |
| 19:39.10 | nicoli_s | stop projecting onto mikma's baby lunessa |
| 19:39.13 | mikma | cairenn: thanks cairy! :) |
| 19:39.35 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I'm not projecting .. yet. :) |
| 19:40.28 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18058-PallyPower-Cataclysm.html << argh |
| 19:40.39 | cogwheel | babies are overrated |
| 19:40.45 | Lunessa | And mikma, she's gorgeous. Congratulations, dad. |
| 19:40.52 | cogwheel | (by evolution) |
| 19:40.56 | mikma | lunessa: thanks :) |
| 19:41.03 | Nechckn | woo.. what is with the Lua in LOTRO, Cairenn? Pretty darn cool - that totally snuck in under my radar |
| 19:41.12 | Nechckn | needs a new dish, apparently. =) |
| 19:41.21 | Cairenn | Nechckn: heh, I'll say |
| 19:41.33 | Cairenn | that's been known for ages now :) |
| 19:41.36 | Flowy | local temp = ChatTypeInfo[getglobal("CHANNEL"..channelNum)] |
| 19:41.41 | Flowy | why it dont work? |
| 19:42.04 | Lunessa | foxlit: *nod* Seriously. Do we really need this? |
| 19:42.06 | Flowy | it returns nil :/ |
| 19:42.35 | Ackis | foxlit: why so argh? |
| 19:42.35 | durcyn | Flowy: why are you using getglobal |
| 19:43.05 | foxlit | Ackis: the addon doesn't have a screenshot out of concern for your eyes. |
| 19:43.07 | Cairenn | mikma: she's gorgeous (just looked at all the pics) |
| 19:43.29 | mikma | also small, very small xD |
| 19:43.31 | Flowy | durcyn how to do it? |
| 19:43.42 | Cairenn | yep, they tend to be at that age :) |
| 19:43.47 | foxlit | (And with paladin changes in the beta, it's not like you actually need an addon to cast one of two spells every 60 minutes) |
| 19:43.52 | Cairenn | Mom looks great too |
| 19:43.59 | Cairenn | everything went smoothly? |
| 19:44.04 | Pneumatus^ | zomg assignments, etc, foxlit |
| 19:44.17 | Pneumatus^ | coordinating pally auras is srs bsnss still |
| 19:44.27 | foxlit | zomg "I'll buff Wisdom" is srs bsnss |
| 19:44.39 | durcyn | Flowy: _G["CHANNELx"] if you must, but feeding it the string by itself should work |
| 19:44.52 | mikma | cairenn: well they had to sleep her cause the drugs didn't make her numb, other than that, yeah, everything went great :) |
| 19:44.55 | Nechckn | Oh.. and congratulations, mikma! Well played. ;-) |
| 19:45.10 | Cairenn | good to hear |
| 19:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ... I think we need a law that says on the last workday before two or more consecutive non-work days, everyone can go home at 1pm. |
| 19:46.58 | olafski | so I'm getting reports that my addon makes people's wow unresponsive to input (keyboard/mouse) and eventually crash with some kind of "cannot write to memory location" error.. is there anything known that causes this or will I have to mess around a lot? :) |
| 19:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | omg, stop hacking the gibson, already! :P |
| 19:47.51 | TMcMahon51 | +1 internets |
| 19:48.04 | mikma | gibson.. ain't that the superserver from hackers |
| 19:48.13 | TMcMahon51 | Yeah |
| 19:48.23 | TMcMahon51 | One of the best movies of the 90s. |
| 19:48.40 | mikma | i just .. backup'd it from internets like 4 months ago |
| 19:48.42 | Ackis | http://www.deansproperty.com.au/Home/Profiles can you spot the IT guy? |
| 19:48.54 | olafski | I'll take that as a no then :P |
| 19:48.59 | foxlit | Why does the link seem familiar |
| 19:49.02 | malreth | uh... |
| 19:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: because its been around the internet for ages now? |
| 19:49.34 | TMcMahon51 | Ackis: The IT guy looks like an older me. T_T |
| 19:49.36 | cogwheel | The company that helped put our loan modification together seems to have disappeared. Yay for not having to pay them once it goes through... |
| 19:49.57 | mikma | olafski: yeah, you broke wow. |
| 19:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: o_0 normally t hats not a good thing.. :p |
| 19:51.10 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: it isn't a good thing, technically... a lot of other people were swindled by them |
| 19:51.23 | cogwheel | at least they actually did what they told us they would do for us |
| 19:51.25 | olafski | mikma: thought so :( I figured addons couldn't mess it up so bad that wow crashes |
| 19:51.53 | mikma | olafski: well, i don't know what your addon does so i can't help ^^ |
| 19:52.06 | foxlit | "Now for Cataclysm you got 4.1 on the PTR but its so Bugged and Glitched it makes me wonder why the hell your already releasing its data in the background downloader already? All The Professions are broken, Threat is completely gone from tanks, some classes DPS skyrocketed, Some Classes DPS went Completely gone, Some spells dont work at all and it constantly crashes." |
| 19:52.08 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: well, um, cool? :) |
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| 19:52.20 | cogwheel | :) |
| 19:52.28 | foxlit | "Oh noes, pre-release realms are broken. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES THE END IS NIGH." |
| 19:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | but the graphics might be just fine to start downloading... oiy. |
| 19:52.38 | olafski | mikma: it used to automatically sell junk when you clicked a vendor.. now it also displays the amount of junk you're carrying in broker if you have some broker installed |
| 19:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: this is why i'm a misanthrope |
| 19:52.45 | olafski | after I added the latter feature, I've been hearing about this |
| 19:52.50 | durcyn | foxlit: none of it's any use so long as I'm not able to forcibly eject such people from the planet. |
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| 19:55.47 | Lunessa | durcyn: The problem with that is that we all would disagree on whom to forcibly eject. |
| 19:55.52 | Shirik | fun times Arrowmaster |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik | we should pick up later tonight or sometthing |
| 19:55.59 | Shirik | gg |
| 19:56.02 | Arrowmaster | ok |
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| 19:56.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: let's compromise, everyone! |
| 19:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | Take out that comma, NHTS. *purr* |
| 19:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: works both ways ;) |
| 19:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | I like it my way. /redhead |
| 19:56.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet you do.. ;) |
| 19:57.06 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is frisky these couple of days. |
| 19:57.15 | cogwheel | foxlit: wouldn't the end be nigh if the realms were working correctly? (read: cataclysm) |
| 19:57.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm happy to go once I successfully learn to breathe vacuum without dying and to self-propel at relativistic speeds. |
| 19:57.45 | cogwheel | foxlit: also lolwut @ the long quote... |
| 19:58.31 | cogwheel | ~lart being unable to pick a preferred color for quick matches |
| 19:58.31 | purl | strangles being unable to pick a preferred color with a 9-pole serial cable for quick matches |
| 19:58.47 | cogwheel | or something |
| 19:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 19:58.54 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:59.33 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20641.html um. |
| 19:59.34 | Lunessa | snacks on bots. |
| 19:59.41 | NightHawkTheSane | this is kind of neat: http://www.visual6502.org/JSSim/index.html |
| 20:00.05 | Lunessa | alestane: Is this just fantasy? |
| 20:00.26 | alestane | No escape from reality? |
| 20:00.36 | Lunessa | Open your eyes. |
| 20:00.48 | alestane | Look up to the sky, and see.... |
| 20:00.58 | alestane | They're putting that into Rock Band 3. |
| 20:01.06 | Lunessa | can't fathom why that didn't happen in those comments. |
| 20:01.15 | alestane | I never read the comments. |
| 20:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | not reading comments is a pretty basic internet survival skill |
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| 20:05.11 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: but it feels so good |
| 20:05.51 | Cide | should have put "don't stop me now" into rb3 |
| 20:09.16 | olafski | or "when the man comes around" |
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| 20:10.58 | Lunessa | Do any of the Rock Band or Guitar Hero games have "I Shot the Sheriff" or other bad-ass Bob Marley tunes in them? |
| 20:11.49 | olafski | blagh can't reproduce the issue with my addon =( |
| 20:12.23 | Lunessa | olafski: Are the users in question using Windows 7 64bit and playing with settings on Ultra? |
| 20:12.40 | nicoli_s | Lunessa:i saw somewhere one of the them is getting a bob marley cd |
| 20:12.59 | Lunessa | It might almost be worth getting a console then. |
| 20:13.05 | nicoli_s | yeah its rock band |
| 20:13.17 | nicoli_s | not sure about that specific song |
| 20:13.26 | durcyn | you're going to play plastic karaoke by yourself in your underwear. yes, get a console. |
| 20:13.30 | olafski | lunessa: I only know the specs on one of them (my gf, playing on my pc :)), it's vista 64 bit, settings on nearly lowest |
| 20:13.30 | durcyn | get two. |
| 20:13.32 | Lunessa | More people are familiar with Clapton's cover. |
| 20:13.56 | Shirik | btw Arrowmaster, we definitely don't take the game that seriously :) |
| 20:13.59 | durcyn | Lunessa: er, what about 7 x64? |
| 20:14.00 | Shirik | Just nobin and I are roommates so |
| 20:14.03 | Shirik | we mess with each other a bit |
| 20:14.09 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 20:14.13 | olafski | I just logged on with her character in dalaran and no problem.. would suck if it only occurs during raids |
| 20:14.39 | alestane | I think there is a Bob Marley track in RB3. |
| 20:14.52 | PProvost | http://www.joystiq.com/2010/09/16/rock-band-weekly-bob-marleys-legend-album/ |
| 20:15.32 | alestane | Yes, Lunessa, It's "Get up, Stand up" (Stand up for your rights). |
| 20:15.33 | Lunessa | olafski: Some users on Windows 7 64bit in beta are complaining about "cannot write" errors - usually because they're pushing 2GB memory usage for WoW. So, it might be an edge case. |
| 20:15.49 | foxlit | They voiced Lorna :/ |
| 20:15.55 | olafski | hm |
| 20:16.13 | olafski | 2gb for an app is the limit? |
| 20:16.25 | olafski | I've had wow crash when I was playing in the PTR too, but not on live |
| 20:16.55 | Lunessa | olafski: 2gb is the limit for a 32bit app which is not LMA. |
| 20:17.01 | olafski | hm |
| 20:17.06 | Lunessa | WoW is not LMA. |
| 20:17.38 | olafski | I guess I better start the profiler again |
| 20:18.03 | Lunessa | So you might test with installing a shitton of crap you don't want/need and seeing if you can crash the same way |
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| 20:18.32 | olafski | yeah I'll just enable everything :) |
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| 20:20.35 | Ackis | my live wow crashes all the time with memory error |
| 20:20.37 | Ackis | *errors |
| 20:20.40 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 20:20.43 | Ackis | I blame gnome |
| 20:20.44 | Ackis | s |
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| 20:20.52 | Lunessa | alestane: I was impressed by the inclusion of that song in "I am Legend." |
| 20:21.13 | mikma | noms |
| 20:21.28 | mikma | wetabix with milk and strawberry syrup |
| 20:21.35 | mikma | lets find out is it good |
| 20:21.56 | olafski | ackis: hm. I guess you're not using my addon ;p |
| 20:22.14 | olafski | it was using 0.47% cpu time and I can't even see how much memory it uses because the tooltip is running off the screen |
| 20:22.39 | NightHawkTheSane | there's probably some api method you can call |
| 20:22.49 | olafski | oh now it showed up.. 0.059MB |
| 20:22.56 | Lunessa | mikma: Why not just mainline HFCS and get it over with? |
| 20:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | or just write a little addon to consume & not release memory. ;) |
| 20:23.08 | olafski | seems odd that with the addon she had a bunch of issues and as soon as she turned it off, the issues were gone |
| 20:23.33 | olafski | (she did actually also turn off TellMeWhen because somehow she thought that was causing it) |
| 20:26.14 | Shirik | Cide: pong |
| 20:27.22 | mikma | lunessa: whats that? |
| 20:27.55 | Lunessa | High Fructose Corn Syrup. Sweetener in practically everything sweet. |
| 20:28.27 | Shirik | oh ciddypoo |
| 20:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean Corn Sugar, right? :p |
| 20:28.53 | batrick | hai shirik |
| 20:28.57 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 20:29.01 | Shirik | guess what class I'm teaching this year? |
| 20:29.07 | batrick | os |
| 20:29.10 | Shirik | DSP! |
| 20:29.23 | batrick | Digital ...? |
| 20:29.26 | Shirik | signal processing |
| 20:29.31 | batrick | oh right |
| 20:29.31 | Shirik | signals & systems ++ |
| 20:29.33 | batrick | i'm so sorry |
| 20:29.44 | batrick | i forgot most of my S&S stuff |
| 20:29.45 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You win a Quwpie Doll! |
| 20:29.51 | olafski | I should probably optimize this stuff anyway, instead of doing the calculation every 5 seconds.. is there a "bags content changed" event or something? |
| 20:30.02 | batrick | olafski: yes |
| 20:30.29 | olafski | I couldn't find it on wowwiki.. guess I should look on wowprogramming +) |
| 20:30.35 | batrick | one second |
| 20:31.01 | batrick | BAG_UPDATE |
| 20:31.02 | batrick | ? |
| 20:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 20:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | search for 'bag' |
| 20:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | BE AMAZED! |
| 20:31.54 | Lunessa | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED |
| 20:31.57 | batrick | think it's bagupdate |
| 20:31.59 | batrick | it's what i used |
| 20:32.06 | olafski | wasn't inventory the stuff you're wearing? |
| 20:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:32.38 | olafski | I guess I need BAG_UPDATE then |
| 20:33.22 | Lunessa | Yeah. I was just grabbing all the stuff related to things you might have/carry |
| 20:33.41 | durcyn | excuses. |
| 20:34.08 | Flowy | getglobal(select(i,AC[player].frame)):AddMessage("this"); |
| 20:34.11 | Flowy | would it work? |
| 20:34.12 | Shadowed | that looks evil |
| 20:34.46 | Flowy | it still returns error :/ |
| 20:36.09 | Motig | I have an editbox and in the editbox I type the location of a sound file. However when I call PlaySoundFile() on what's in the editbox with the GetText() function nothing happens. Is there something strange about getting text from an editbox I do not know of? It's seriously starting to boggly my mind :P |
| 20:37.42 | Flowy | try to print whats you get before play |
| 20:38.02 | Cide | why |
| 20:38.04 | Cide | would you ever |
| 20:38.08 | Cide | store a string to a global's name |
| 20:38.10 | Motig | I did that |
| 20:38.13 | Cide | instead of a reference to said global |
| 20:38.20 | Flowy | dont know |
| 20:38.21 | Cide | and at the same time make it a local |
| 20:38.24 | Motig | I've been debugging it for the past 30+ minutes Flowy :( |
| 20:38.25 | Flowy | i have array table |
| 20:38.27 | Motig | and it just refuses to play |
| 20:38.29 | Flowy | that contains frame |
| 20:38.32 | Cide | well you were the one that introduced said abomination |
| 20:38.39 | Flowy | how to call frame from there? |
| 20:38.49 | Motig | the frame is stored in a table |
| 20:38.55 | Motig | oh right |
| 20:38.57 | Motig | you want to know |
| 20:38.59 | Motig | how to call it |
| 20:39.11 | Cide | select(i, AC[player].frame) <-- makes no sense |
| 20:39.19 | Cide | select operates on a list of arguments, you're only passing in one |
| 20:39.21 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:39.30 | Motig | frameTable[1]:SetWidth(); for example |
| 20:39.32 | Motig | is that what you mean Flowy |
| 20:39.44 | Flowy | how to choose first argument from array table? |
| 20:39.56 | Cide | by going to this wonderful page |
| 20:40.02 | Cide | and learning what the fuck you are trying to do before you bother us |
| 20:40.06 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:40.15 | Lunessa | ~Cide++ |
| 20:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hugs Cide |
| 20:40.30 | Cide | god, that felt good. |
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| 20:41.23 | Lunessa | Flowy: Not to be mean, but check the reference material first. Things that /seem/ like a good idea but which violate the rules/syntax of the language are generally /not/ good ideas. |
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| 20:42.25 | Lunessa | a good rule of thumb is this: If you look at it, and it makes your brain hurt, something's probably wrong. |
| 20:42.30 | Flowy | Motig thanks |
| 20:43.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: another good rule of thumb is: make sure you know what a function -does- before you try and use it. :P |
| 20:44.24 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: for which my rule is a good 'fall-thru' |
| 20:45.06 | TC-Work | "a good rule of thumb is this: If you look at it, and it makes your brain hurt, something's probably wrong." that applies to escher, but his stuff is so so right |
| 20:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | escher's stuff never really made my brain hurt |
| 20:45.35 | Lunessa | TC-Work: In which case the thing which is wrong is your ability to expand your perceptions? |
| 20:46.07 | TC-Work | Lunessa: um....no? |
| 20:46.22 | Lunessa | Heaven help you with a Dali painint... |
| 20:46.27 | Lunessa | painting |
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| 20:47.48 | TC-Work | Lunessa: not really, there is a lack of reality involed there |
| 20:48.06 | TC-Work | involved* |
| 20:49.28 | olafski | lunessa: my wow is using 670MB with all addons installed enabled, in dalaran.. surely her wow with less than all addons enabled won't reach 2GB in a raid :S |
| 20:49.36 | olafski | unless some addon has a huge memory leak |
| 20:49.49 | olafski | .. which doesn't occur in dalaran |
| 20:50.18 | Lunessa | olafski: It was a hypotheses, you tested it, it didn't meet the conditions, so... you can safely scrap it. |
| 20:50.32 | ccox | doesn't need a leak - just something with huge data (lightheaded, auctioneer, gatherer, etc.) |
| 20:50.37 | olafski | yer.. was just wondering if you had more thoughts ;) |
| 20:51.08 | olafski | ccox: but then why would it crash in a raid and not in dalaran? I assume those addons use roughly the same amount of memory regardless where you are |
| 20:51.15 | Lunessa | Off the top of my head, no. |
| 20:51.38 | ccox | are you talking about an application crash, or an addon/Lua error? |
| 20:51.45 | Lunessa | olafski: no, not really. It depends on what the addons are doing/storing. |
| 20:51.45 | olafski | well, I made it do its calculation only when bags have updated now, instead of every 5 seconds.. that should at least fix the fps drops she was getting every 5 seconds |
| 20:51.50 | ccox | if the app crashed, it had little or nohting to do with addons |
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| 20:52.08 | olafski | ccox: app crash, it happened about every 20 minutes and never happened again after my gf disabled my addon |
| 20:52.33 | ccox | that's more likely a blizzard bug, even if it is triggered by something done by an addon |
| 20:52.40 | Lunessa | I was only positing that you might be able to force beta to crash with an AddOn by pushing it to the 2gb limit |
| 20:52.53 | olafski | lunessa: oh, I was trying on live =) |
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| 20:53.28 | olafski | ccox: before it crashed, usually it would not respond to mouse/keyboard input anymore (well, the UI wouldn't, the camera would still rotate if you dragged the mouse) |
| 20:53.34 | Xinhuan | Motig: as far as i'm aware, PlaySoundFile() doesn't work on .wav files anymore |
| 20:53.35 | Flowy | olafski you know how to crash wow? |
| 20:53.55 | ccox | almost defininitely a blizzard bug, then -- Lua memory use wouldn't cause event handing problems |
| 20:54.20 | olafski | flowy: no clue |
| 20:54.21 | Xinhuan | i'll suggest converting your .wav file to .mp3 or .ogg instead, or try it with files of those format and see if it works |
| 20:55.10 | foxlit | Oh hm |
| 20:55.37 | foxlit | "Do X once they are weakened" quest at level 12; I'm 83. Can't even downrank a spell now |
| 20:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: unarmed melee? |
| 20:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | damage reflection? |
| 20:57.18 | olafski | trying to think how I did those |
| 20:57.29 | olafski | hm yeah probably by downranking :( |
| 20:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | bring along a low-level buddy? |
| 20:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | Damage from a potion or engineering explosive? |
| 20:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 20:57.42 | foxlit | I misread. |
| 20:57.48 | foxlit | It's "kill then soothe their corpses" |
| 20:57.50 | olafski | so they dropped the top 20 contributor thing.. guess I better find a 200+ member guild to join before cata |
| 20:58.25 | Motig | Xinhuan, it works if I run the command manually |
| 20:58.27 | Motig | so that can't be it |
| 20:58.32 | Stanzilla | olafski: they did? really? |
| 20:58.50 | Xinhuan | still worth a shot |
| 20:58.51 | Lunessa | I'm wondering what I'm going to do with my 5 member guild. |
| 20:59.20 | olafski | stanzilla: Guild XP "Top 20 Contributors" |
| 20:59.20 | olafski | There is no concept of "Top 20 contributors" anymore. We changed that functionality many months ago. XP contributed to the guild comes from all members. Guild rep is always available no matter what amount you have contributed to the guild. |
| 20:59.23 | amro | top20 was dumb |
| 20:59.43 | Ackis | what was top 20? |
| 20:59.47 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 20:59.49 | Ackis | only the top 20 would get benefits? |
| 20:59.52 | Motig | It just doesn't make sense, when I use GetText() to get the text from the editbox and print it it shows correct |
| 20:59.56 | Motig | it just won't play with PlaySoundFile() |
| 20:59.58 | olafski | no, only the top 20 people contribute to guild xp, ackis |
| 21:00.00 | NightHawkTheSane | something like only the top 20 contributors affected guild rep |
| 21:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | er guild xp, that is |
| 21:00.14 | Ackis | ah |
| 21:00.15 | olafski | they did that so small guilds and huge guilds would roughly get the same amount of xp |
| 21:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it was meant as a balance between big guilds and small guilds. |
| 21:00.17 | Ackis | that's not stupid then |
| 21:00.37 | NightHawkTheSane | they could just scale the relative per-member contribution based on guild size. |
| 21:00.40 | olafski | the only bad thing I can think of is that with the top 20 thing, in big guilds nobody would bother to get xp |
| 21:00.42 | amro | scaling is a nice way to balance |
| 21:01.10 | Lunessa | Motig: Are you getting a path like C:\Users\Public\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\My Sounds\MySound.mp3 - and if so, are you escaping the backslashes? |
| 21:01.15 | Motig | Sound\\Item\\Weapons\\Axe1H\\m1hAxeHitWood1B.wav |
| 21:01.17 | Motig | for example |
| 21:01.32 | Motig | and no I am not escaping the backslashes after retrieving it form the editbox |
| 21:01.34 | Motig | should I? |
| 21:01.42 | Motig | it seems very likely that's the issue |
| 21:02.15 | Lunessa | Are you having the user type two backslashes? Or are you escaping them? |
| 21:02.42 | amro | you shouldn't have to escape if you're pulling it from an editbox |
| 21:03.10 | Motig | na I'm just entering 'Sound\\Item\\Weapons\\Axe1H\\m1hAxeHitWood1B.wav' |
| 21:03.12 | Motig | in the editbox |
| 21:03.14 | Motig | without the quotes |
| 21:03.18 | Motig | it doen't make a difference either way |
| 21:03.21 | Lunessa | defers amro as he's got more experience. |
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| 21:03.39 | olafski | I like how gathering profs give xp now |
| 21:03.43 | olafski | now as in ptr |
| 21:03.45 | Motig | it never plays, it prints fine |
| 21:03.48 | Motig | it just never plays |
| 21:04.00 | Ackis | amg you're gonna get to level 85 w/o killing a single mob! |
| 21:04.01 | Lunessa | then quit entering two slashes. |
| 21:04.05 | olafski | ackis: :DD |
| 21:04.11 | olafski | just got 45 xp for a copper node |
| 21:04.14 | Motig | if this is it I will get both sad and happy Lunessa |
| 21:04.16 | amro | try with something less error prone than m1hAxeHitWood1B |
| 21:04.33 | amro | iirc music has simple paths |
| 21:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: a friend of mine did that on live with a rogue, actually (80, not 85, but yeah) |
| 21:04.44 | Motig | argh! |
| 21:04.49 | Motig | Sound\Item\Weapons\Axe1H\m1hAxeHitWood1B.wav |
| 21:04.50 | Motig | it worked |
| 21:04.56 | Lunessa | WIN |
| 21:05.04 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: how? oO |
| 21:05.08 | Motig | you know I actually spend ages on pin pointing the problem :( |
| 21:05.12 | Motig | but I'm glad it's fixed now |
| 21:05.13 | Motig | cheers :P |
| 21:05.22 | olafski | ackis: also hogger now shows up on your minimap if you have the quest ;-) |
| 21:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: carefully. :p |
| 21:05.42 | NightHawkTheSane | (also slowly) |
| 21:05.43 | Lunessa | Fear Hogger. FEAR HIM AND HIS ALMIGHTY POWER! |
| 21:05.53 | Cide | noo Shirik |
| 21:05.54 | Cide | answer my pm |
| 21:06.20 | Ackis | olafski: :( WoW is dead to me |
| 21:06.25 | amro | it's a trap Shirik |
| 21:06.56 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: I can think of a couple of things to get xp for, but nothing that gets you to 80.. unless he grinded battlegrounds while stealthed? |
| 21:07.02 | olafski | ackis: :( |
| 21:07.36 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: she, technically, but looking for every non-kill quest there was to do, hitting up non-kill-quest dailies, etc. |
| 21:08.05 | Kraps | yom kippur starts in a couple of hours |
| 21:08.15 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.54 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: oh yeah.. cool :) |
| 21:09.16 | Lunessa | Kraps: Which means I can get latkes soon. |
| 21:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the post-70ish stuff was actually the easiest, as more and more dailies opened up that don't involve killing |
| 21:09.27 | Kraps | Lunessa: huh? |
| 21:09.36 | olafski | yeah I can imagine |
| 21:10.01 | Lunessa | Kraps: I'll be able to find Jewish-theme foods more readily around a holiday. |
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| 21:14.03 | Lunessa | and I likes me some potato latkes. |
| 21:15.13 | alestane | I used to sell potato pancakes at folk festivals. |
| 21:15.43 | Lunessa | those things are delicious. |
| 21:15.46 | Lunessa | DELICIOUS |
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| 21:16.33 | Adys | US guys: Im picking my return flight from blizzcon and the latest i can get is 11PM in santa ana. Is it too late to get a shuttle from SA to LAX? (= better just sleep there) |
| 21:16.59 | Adys | I need to be in LAX at 6AM |
| 21:17.31 | Lunessa | Adys: SuperShuttle or other airport shuttles run 24/7 |
| 21:17.39 | Adys | Good stuff |
| 21:17.52 | Lunessa | Those cost $$ but you can get a ride to the airport anytime |
| 21:17.57 | Adys | next question, how "safe" is it to wait a few hours in LAX? |
| 21:18.05 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: where do you guys go in Anaheim for dinner during blizzcon? |
| 21:18.11 | Lunessa | LAX? One of the safest places on the planet |
| 21:18.16 | Adys | aight great |
| 21:18.28 | Adys | thanks Lunessa |
| 21:18.33 | amro | though if you look arab and shifty, you're going to miss your flight |
| 21:18.35 | Lunessa | grew up in Los Angeles, and worked shipping at LAX |
| 21:19.15 | NightHawkTheSane | is any major airport like that THAT unsafe really? |
| 21:19.18 | Adys | maybe I should shave, my 90cm pointy beard doesn't really fit me amro |
| 21:19.30 | Cairenn | Adys: for pure convenience, flying into and out of SNA (John Wayne Santa Anna) is preferrable over LAX, it's closer to Anaheim |
| 21:19.44 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: depends which night you're asking about :) |
| 21:19.47 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: "unsafe" no but it's pretty easy to pass out for 10 mins and get your stuff stolen |
| 21:20.03 | Adys | Cairenn: yeah; but I already picked my flights |
| 21:20.07 | amro | in ADP maybe |
| 21:20.12 | Adys | this is a second flight since im staying in boston a few weeks |
| 21:20.17 | Lunessa | LA, NYC, Chicago, all get a bad rap. Crime/danger is no worse than in any other area with concentrated people. Airports have lots of cops and lights. |
| 21:20.18 | Cairenn | Adys: ah |
| 21:20.32 | Adys | but it's good to know for next blizzcon |
| 21:20.48 | Lunessa | Adys: If you're checking your bags, you're in good shape. |
| 21:21.10 | Adys | ya |
| 21:21.14 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: my mom just got back from a conference in anaheim and went to this place called The Catch one of the nights, she found one of the things she saw there on their menu online |
| 21:21.18 | Arrowmaster | The "OMG" |
| 21:21.20 | Arrowmaster | Four pounds of lean ground chuck broiled to order, topped with ten slices of aged cheddar cheese, half head of iceberg lettuce, tomato, red onion, mayonnaise and dill pickles. Served on a 14 inch bun with two pounds of french fries. Sharing highly recommended $35.95 |
| 21:21.39 | Arrowmaster | she saw 4 guys trying and failing to eat one of them |
| 21:21.40 | Cairenn | holy crap |
| 21:21.43 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I'll split one with you. Hold the mayo |
| 21:21.50 | Adys | Pass me the salt too |
| 21:21.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:21.55 | Adys | sharing is caring |
| 21:22.09 | Lunessa | We'll pound beers and shots while we do it. |
| 21:22.10 | amro | is that an ogre ration? |
| 21:22.14 | Arrowmaster | and the waiter said they have a special order one that isnt on the menu that is twice the size |
| 21:22.24 | amro | either way I'd love to clear an evening to try and eat one solo |
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| 21:22.42 | amro | so what's the catch Arrowmaster? |
| 21:22.54 | Adys | [22:22:54] <amro> either way I'd love to clear an evening to try and kill myself |
| 21:23.08 | Arrowmaster | www.catchanaheim.com |
| 21:23.29 | amro | yes but is there a catch really? |
| 21:23.38 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i bet it doesn't even fit on the menu, hence why it's not there. |
| 21:23.50 | amro | ~rimshot |
| 21:23.50 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 21:24.01 | Adys | not even a *chuck*le |
| 21:24.36 | Lunessa | It's $50 |
| 21:24.37 | Arrowmaster | you know how club sandwiches come with toothpicks with little frilly things on them? she said this burger came with skewers and for decorations on top there where little tiny burgers, real burgers |
| 21:24.44 | Kraps | Lunessa: well yom kippur is a fast day so... :p |
| 21:25.08 | Lunessa | Kraps: I know this. I just know that there will be a chance to get latkes later. |
| 21:25.19 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i want a picture tbh |
| 21:25.21 | amro | okay, now I have to go to anaheim |
| 21:25.26 | Arrowmaster | me too adys |
| 21:26.02 | Adys | so basically |
| 21:26.04 | Adys | when you eat that |
| 21:26.11 | Adys | you can't go swimming for the next 6 weeks? |
| 21:26.41 | amro | try again |
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| 21:27.09 | Humbedooh | would you go swimmng for the next 6 weeks anywho? :\ |
| 21:27.14 | Lunessa | That's... a big burger. |
| 21:27.18 | Humbedooh | s/swimmng/swimming/ |
| 21:27.36 | olafski | that sounds awesome |
| 21:27.39 | olafski | I want one |
| 21:28.19 | amro | I bet we could share one with the whole channel |
| 21:29.29 | amro | btw Arrowmaster |
| 21:29.42 | amro | according to their website, it's now $49.95 |
| 21:30.11 | Arrowmaster | the PDF says 35.95 |
| 21:30.15 | Adys | well |
| 21:30.28 | Adys | Cairenn: you know where the next WoW UI dinner is going to be at |
| 21:30.51 | Cairenn | Adys: yup, signup post will be going up shortly |
| 21:31.05 | Adys | nobody gets my jokes |
| 21:31.06 | Adys | :( |
| 21:31.07 | Arrowmaster | if i had a blizzcon ticket i would be there |
| 21:31.42 | Adys | i had like 3 blizzcon tickets to resell until a few weeks ago, where have you been |
| 21:31.53 | Arrowmaster | poor |
| 21:32.00 | solocommand | i bet i could eat one |
| 21:32.02 | Arrowmaster | thats where |
| 21:32.57 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: is the ticket the only limiting factor? |
| 21:33.23 | Arrowmaster | probably, i bet i could get some money for the flight |
| 21:33.43 | Flowy | if type(AC[player].frame) == "table" then table.insert(AC[player].frame,frame); else AC[player].frame = { frame }; end |
| 21:34.08 | Flowy | why it creates new table 2 times? |
| 21:34.29 | Lunessa | because you told it to. |
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| 21:35.04 | Flowy | if its table it would just add new frame :/ |
| 21:35.23 | Cide | why don't you do like I said |
| 21:35.31 | Cide | and learn to code before you code |
| 21:37.07 | Cairenn | Cide: stop being a cranky bitch :p |
| 21:37.23 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 21:37.24 | Cide | I'm sipping on mah wine |
| 21:37.32 | TMcMahon51 | To be fair, sometimes the best way to learn how to do something is to just do it and learn firsthand. ;) |
| 21:37.38 | Cide | so while I may act cranky it's all for the best |
| 21:37.40 | TC-Work | which should make you less of an ass |
| 21:37.46 | Cide | hm? |
| 21:37.50 | TC-Work | the wine |
| 21:38.00 | Cairenn | huggles Cidan |
| 21:38.03 | Cairenn | gah! |
| 21:38.07 | Cairenn | huggles Cide |
| 21:38.20 | amro | if only huggling the wrong person IRL was as easily fixed |
| 21:38.26 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:38.31 | TC-Work | thats just mean to Cidan, Cairenn |
| 21:38.37 | TC-Work | you gah'd him |
| 21:38.41 | Cide | sec |
| 21:38.51 | Cairenn | well, since I will huggle most people, it's all good :) |
| 21:39.02 | Cairenn | and Cidan knows I love him too |
| 21:39.15 | Cide | anyway |
| 21:39.20 | Cide | what I said is true though |
| 21:39.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://crawlinginsideanimalstosurvive.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:39.36 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil is an excellent guide and you should read it before you waste our time with trying to do something you don't even begin to grasp |
| 21:39.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ^awesome |
| 21:39.48 | Cide | yes, yes I am |
| 21:39.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 21:41.15 | Flowy | Cide which section? |
| 21:41.20 | EvilPete | I saw on scrollback some talk about memory leaks.. I'm seeing new ones besides the old regular one I'd see on the OSX client.. |
| 21:41.53 | Cidan | It's true, I feel warm and fuzzy inside sometimes just thinking about how much Cairenn cares for me. |
| 21:42.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:42.07 | amro | Flowy: just read through the whole thing |
| 21:42.08 | Cairenn | huggles Cidan some more |
| 21:42.10 | amro | it's all good |
| 21:42.23 | Cidan | is all warm and fuzzy |
| 21:43.25 | Lunessa | http://chronicle.com/article/In-Professor-Dominatrix/124369/ |
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| 21:44.18 | Cide | Flowy: particularly the section about learning to code |
| 21:44.31 | Cairenn | Lunessa: o.O |
| 21:44.41 | Cairenn | Lunessa: trust you to find an article like that :p |
| 21:44.53 | Lunessa | It was in my twitter feed. |
| 21:45.11 | Cide | sure it was |
| 21:45.14 | amro | Lunessa: that is a scary headshot |
| 21:45.24 | Lunessa | I know, right? |
| 21:45.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:45.28 | Cide | wow w t f |
| 21:45.31 | Cide | that's a massive wall of text |
| 21:45.38 | Cide | right when I thought it was finished it had merely begun |
| 21:46.18 | amro | thought the same Cide |
| 21:46.52 | amro | this orange spice tea is neither spicy nor orangey :( |
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| 21:48.02 | Flowy | lua> local t; if type(t) == "table" then table.insert(t,"hmm") else t={} end |
| 21:48.03 | lua_bot | Flowy: No output |
| 21:48.37 | Cide | you didn't tell it to print or return anything |
| 21:48.48 | Cide | lua> local t; if type(t) == "table" then table.insert(t,"hmm") else t={} end; print(t) |
| 21:48.49 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0xa0a4760 |
| 21:48.54 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 21:48.58 | Cide | lua> local t; if type(t) == "table" then table.insert(t,"hmm") else t={} end pp(t) |
| 21:48.58 | lua_bot | Cide: { } (#1) |
| 21:49.05 | Arrowmaster | reach is driving me crazy, why the fuck do people pick swat all the fucking time |
| 21:49.07 | Flowy | I know what "no output" is |
| 21:49.34 | Cide | but it's not particularly useful if you're testing something that you want to output |
| 21:50.04 | Flowy | lua> local t={}; if type(t) == "table" then table.insert(t,"hmm") else t={} print("FUCKED UP") end |
| 21:50.04 | lua_bot | Flowy: No output |
| 21:50.10 | Flowy | ok |
| 21:50.15 | Flowy | why its another in wow ... |
| 21:50.19 | Cide | it's not |
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| 21:50.24 | Cide | now |
| 21:50.39 | Cide | 1) www.lua.org/pil , OR 2) pm lua_bot instead of testing your stuff in the channel |
| 21:50.45 | Cide | preferably both |
| 21:50.48 | amro | if a program runs and nobody is around to see the output, does it truly execute? |
| 21:51.01 | Humbedooh | lurk moar, post less |
| 21:51.02 | Cide | good question |
| 21:51.20 | Cide | is that an original quote or have you heard it before? |
| 21:51.22 | Cide | it's quite funny |
| 21:51.32 | Cide | I haven't heard that version before |
| 21:51.34 | Humbedooh | that's a silly question, amro |
| 21:51.46 | amro | Humbedooh: woooooooosh |
| 21:51.49 | amro | and it's original Cide |
| 21:51.57 | Cide | totally stealing it for facebook |
| 21:51.59 | Humbedooh | unless you define execution as something that produces an output |
| 21:52.07 | Cide | do you want to be cited? |
| 21:52.26 | Flowy | http://paste.wowace.com/2467/ |
| 21:52.32 | Flowy | it print FU 2x |
| 21:52.32 | amro | steal away |
| 21:52.48 | Cide | that's not the same test |
| 21:52.53 | Cide | try with the same code you tested in lua> |
| 21:53.04 | Cide | and you shall see that it works much better |
| 21:53.51 | Flowy | 1. if its table then execute first ... |
| 21:54.19 | Flowy | 2. else create table and check the same as in first ... if its table then print |
| 21:54.34 | Cide | and if you execute that once |
| 21:54.39 | Cide | then it will print "FU" once |
| 21:55.10 | Flowy | 1. it returns table in 2. but now returns that its not table and executes 2. again ... |
| 21:55.24 | Cide | your test environment is clearly not controlled and your lack of knowledge doesn't help you understand at all |
| 21:55.40 | Cide | either AC changes or player changes |
| 21:56.13 | Flowy | ah :/ true |
| 21:57.35 | amro | Cide: worms? |
| 21:57.40 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:57.40 | Cide | sure |
| 21:57.46 | Cide | but no talking for me |
| 21:59.04 | Lunessa | later all. |
| 21:59.09 | Cide | destation |
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| 21:59.12 | Cide | nooo |
| 22:00.14 | Cide | apparently I had to update directx |
| 22:01.40 | amro | btw Humbedooh, point is you can't tell either way |
| 22:02.12 | TC-Work | ~ping |
| 22:02.12 | purl | ~pong |
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| 22:06.36 | Flowy | lua> t={"first"}; print(#t) |
| 22:06.37 | lua_bot | Flowy: 1 |
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| 22:09.01 | Flowy | how long writes you about 50 lines of addon code? |
| 22:10.12 | smcn | depends on how long the lines are ;P |
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| 22:10.21 | Cide | my longest addon is at about 25k lines |
| 22:10.37 | Flowy | and time? |
| 22:10.44 | Cide | a year? |
| 22:10.58 | Flowy | 8h/d? |
| 22:11.07 | Cide | no, maybe 4 |
| 22:11.31 | Flowy | lua> print(365*4/25000) |
| 22:11.31 | lua_bot | Flowy: 0.0584 |
| 22:11.48 | Cide | I'm an effective coder |
| 22:12.16 | Flowy | I wrote my addon per day ... but it have just 45 lines x) |
| 22:12.26 | Cide | even if that was a sensible measure |
| 22:12.30 | Cide | I wouldn't work every day |
| 22:12.34 | Cide | and I had lots of other addons to work on |
| 22:12.39 | Cide | and I rewrote several parts several times |
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| 22:13.21 | Cidan | which all coders do, you look back at your work and are like, "lolwut..." |
| 22:13.53 | Flowy | Cide which addon it was? |
| 22:13.57 | Cide | ct_raidassist |
| 22:14.05 | Cide | the most popular addon of all time probably! |
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| 22:14.25 | Cidan | lol |
| 22:14.28 | Flowy | xperl is better :D |
| 22:14.30 | Cidan | next to zorba's, xD |
| 22:14.44 | Cide | zorba's? |
| 22:14.50 | Cidan | QuestHelper |
| 22:14.55 | Cide | ah |
| 22:15.01 | Cide | yeah, not sure if that holds true still |
| 22:15.25 | Cide | I think ctmod had about 3-4 million users at its peak |
| 22:15.43 | Cide | hard to tell and not only ctra in that figure |
| 22:15.52 | Cidan | fair enough, everyone did use ct |
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| 22:17.44 | Cidan | still do? |
| 22:17.47 | Cidan | idk |
| 22:18.15 | Cide | doubt it |
| 22:18.20 | Cide | I don't maintain it anymore so I don't know |
| 22:18.29 | Cide | another coder does |
| 22:18.36 | Cidan | oic |
| 22:19.36 | Cide | either amro's or Adys' connection fucking sucks |
| 22:19.46 | amro | looks like you hit the bw limit. |
| 22:19.52 | Adys | yep |
| 22:19.59 | Cide | I don't have a bandwidth limit |
| 22:20.00 | Adys | stop skyping cyberpolitics |
| 22:20.01 | amro | worms netplay is horrible |
| 22:22.18 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.43 | Sliker | oh, I love that |
| 22:24.13 | Sliker | searing pain "causes the target to be very angry with you" with beginner tooltips |
| 22:25.05 | amro | foxlit: source? |
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| 22:25.39 | foxlit | amro: the quote? Just stuff it into google :) |
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| 22:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | stuffs foxlit into google |
| 22:26.10 | foxlit | returns with a 502 |
| 22:26.11 | amro | I would but I'm feeling lazy |
| 22:26.22 | Ycarene | What kind of stats should a tank have for toc10? |
| 22:26.49 | Xinhuan | i wonder if questhelper's popularity dipped with the introduction of blizzard's inbuilt one some patches ago |
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| 22:26.58 | foxlit | Average item level of around 226 wouldn't be too much to ask for. |
| 22:27.45 | Ycarene | What about hp, avoidance, block, etc... |
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| 22:28.15 | foxlit | Is he wearing tank gear? ==> No ==> Why the hell not? |
| 22:28.41 | foxlit | === Yes ==> Is it >= 226? ==> No ==> What is this, WotLK launch? |
| 22:28.57 | foxlit | === Yes ===> It'll probably work. Ask your healers if they're competent. |
| 22:29.15 | Ycarene | I'm asking for myself, I have a paladin tank, but I'd like to see where I fall. |
| 22:29.52 | foxlit | It's just that you're asking a question that's about 1.25 years past its shelf life. |
| 22:29.59 | foxlit | No one remembers :) |
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| 22:39.15 | Xinhuan | or cares |
| 22:39.21 | Xinhuan | just ask for a tank in togc gear |
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| 23:10.10 | Daegalus | [Ammo]: are you the Ammo that works on BigWigs? |
| 23:10.50 | Torhal | Daegalus: He is, though you'll have better luck (since there are more devs) in #wowace |
| 23:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:11.07 | Daegalus | mmmm ok |
| 23:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | can't say i've seen him talk in here in quite a while. |
| 23:11.36 | Daegalus | Torhal: he isnt in #wowace |
| 23:11.49 | Daegalus | NVM |
| 23:11.54 | Daegalus | didnt know he was an operator |
| 23:13.31 | Daegalus | tehre is an API for Bigwigs, but from what I see, the api only works if you make your addon a bigwigs module |
| 23:14.00 | Daegalus | unless I can figure out how to called :Bar(name, time, icon) using namespaces |
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| 23:38.20 | Xinhuan | err Cairenn, is that UI dinner, before, after or during blizzcon? |
| 23:39.39 | Cairenn | We'll be running it on the Thursday night right before, like last year. It worked really really well last year, better than any other evening we've tried to run it in previous years |
| 23:39.52 | Cairenn | so, the 21st |
| 23:40.26 | Trela | :O |
| 23:40.28 | Trela | Sounds like fun. |
| 23:41.30 | Xinhuan | aha |
| 23:41.58 | Cairenn | We've tried running it on both the Friday and the Saturday evenings before, they were awkward to try to work out, either people had to miss the contests or we had to hope that the restuarant would hold our reservations, or .... |
| 23:42.25 | Cairenn | but Thursday night, pretty much everyone is already in town for the 'con, there's nothing else going on at the time, etc |
| 23:43.15 | TC-Work | mutters about having to come down early |
| 23:43.23 | TC-Work | but i wouldnt miss the dinner |
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| 23:54.32 | TC-Work | Cairenn: anything going on fri/sat night however? |
| 23:55.38 | Cairenn | TC-Work: well, a slew of us usually end up wandering [somewhere] after the contest on Friday night and after the concert on Saturday night - either out to a restuarant to get food or just to one of the hotel bars to drink |
| 23:55.48 | Cairenn | well, EVERY night, that's where we all end up |
| 23:56.23 | Cairenn | after concert/contests/dinner/whatever, a bunch of us will end up wandering to one of the hotel bars and sit there and talk for further hours |
| 23:57.13 | Cairenn | normally the party doesn't completely break up until 1 or 2 am |
| 23:57.41 | TC-Work | nice |
| 23:58.34 | Adys | Cairenn: how many people expected at the dinner? |
| 23:58.53 | TC-Work | though maybe i should get a hotel room, my cousin might not be to happy about me coming in at 1-2 am |
| 23:58.56 | Cairenn | I'm planning on capping it at 42 again |
| 23:59.13 | Cairenn | because it's just such a great number, so appropriate for all us geeks ;) |
| 23:59.30 | TC-Work | was there actually more people trying to come past that> |
| 23:59.38 | TC-Work | s/>/?/ |
| 23:59.43 | Cairenn | TC-Away: or find someone else that is going to be there solo and split the room cost |
