| 00:00.40 | Ressy | sigh. Theres another 10 mins I won't get back. Kiddo stole my mouse and hid it on me. |
| 00:00.57 | nevcairiel | get one with a wire :D |
| 00:01.05 | cbreak | Ressy: modern operating systems have a soft-mouse |
| 00:02.47 | foxlit | nevcairiel: nothing that can't be unplugged, though |
| 00:03.03 | Iriel | foxlit: epoxy |
| 00:03.43 | cbreak | laptop. |
| 00:03.48 | cbreak | (with touch pad) |
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| 00:03.58 | foxlit | hide laptop. |
| 00:04.00 | foxlit | (with touch pad) |
| 00:04.29 | nevcairiel | kensington lock to the table! |
| 00:05.00 | foxlit | run off with battery. |
| 00:05.18 | foxlit | [and perhaps the power cord?] |
| 00:07.12 | cbreak | get a mac |
| 00:07.21 | cbreak | they come without removable battery |
| 00:07.28 | foxlit | oh, right, the new ones. |
| 00:07.32 | nevcairiel | first positive aspect of the whole thing, eh |
| 00:07.37 | cbreak | nah |
| 00:07.47 | cbreak | the first is that the batteries are a bit bigger |
| 00:07.48 | Amarande | heh, it's a good thing I don't really care that much about the loot tonight |
| 00:07.57 | Amarande | since apparently there's not a single piece of good loot I can get tonight from this raid besides my badges |
| 00:08.12 | cbreak | isn't that normal in raids? |
| 00:08.17 | Amarande | cbreak: well, we're at 10/12 |
| 00:08.22 | nevcairiel | Doesn't have to be completly hidden in the case to be bigger |
| 00:08.32 | Amarande | the only thing potentially useful sindy drops is a legpiece that I'm not sure is that much of an upgrade to be worth it, if it even is at all |
| 00:08.38 | Amarande | and LK drops no weapon for frost DW'ers |
| 00:08.38 | cbreak | batteries that are exchangeable need more shielding |
| 00:08.40 | nevcairiel | But i can't buy an even bigger one and simply replace it |
| 00:08.56 | cbreak | which takes space |
| 00:08.58 | Iriel | Given the failure mode of older 17" Mac Book pro batteries, i'm a bit scared of the new ones |
| 00:09.14 | Iriel | (namely, that they start to expand, until they "pop" the glue seals on the battery casing |
| 00:09.25 | Amarande | Iriel, at least it's not vent with flame! |
| 00:09.32 | Iriel | True true |
| 00:09.38 | Amarande | mmmmm fire. |
| 00:09.39 | cbreak | oh, isn't that great? free new mac and bribe by apple to keep quiet |
| 00:09.40 | nevcairiel | sounds like a mess when that happens somewhere deep inside the case |
| 00:09.41 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:09.48 | Iriel | crotch-located fire == bad |
| 00:09.59 | cbreak | you have the wrong priorities. |
| 00:10.55 | cbreak | besides, with the new unibody metal cases, you are probably more shielded from exploding batteries than with any other computer |
| 00:11.34 | cbreak | most of them are pieced together from individual smaller parts that can be removed for purposes like replacing batteries. sometimes those parts are even plastic, which might melt in case of exploding batteries |
| 00:11.56 | kd3 | mmm.... exploding batteries |
| 00:11.56 | Iriel | it's ot so much explosion |
| 00:12.08 | cbreak | ... och :( |
| 00:12.16 | Iriel | it's that the expansion deforms other parts (such as the keyboard and trackpad, and in the unibody ones, motherboard |
| 00:12.29 | cbreak | Iriel: you just killed the plot of 24, season 11 |
| 00:13.27 | foxlit | cbreak: foxlit: it might only appear after your partner loses too << I found a replay |
| 00:13.43 | foxlit | Apparently me and the same partner played a game immediately after, so it looks like we were *both* dropped |
| 00:14.04 | foxlit | There's still no loss in match history. |
| 00:14.21 | cbreak | hmm. so you looked at his match history? |
| 00:15.05 | foxlit | yep. No record of that game either. |
| 00:15.49 | cbreak | what about the rating points? |
| 00:15.54 | foxlit | coop |
| 00:15.58 | cbreak | right |
| 00:16.12 | foxlit | so just the streak achievement that got reset to 0/x |
| 00:18.45 | cbreak | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/event.php?id=43733&src=gulf, interesting. |
| 00:21.46 | cbreak | ah well. bed time... |
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| 00:52.20 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 00:52.28 | Shirik | Cide: omg I responded in seconds |
| 00:52.32 | Cide | !!! |
| 00:52.34 | Cide | hi! |
| 00:52.43 | Shirik | hi! |
| 00:52.49 | Cide | how are you? |
| 00:52.55 | Shirik | good good |
| 00:53.01 | Cide | cool |
| 00:53.06 | Cide | check this out |
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| 01:12.40 | Shirik | I came |
| 01:12.41 | Shirik | I saw |
| 01:14.21 | Cide | secritz |
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| 01:26.00 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:26.02 | Shirik | Payment Method:Credit Card |
| 01:26.02 | Shirik | First Payment Amount:$35.00 USD |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik | Status:Fraud |
| 01:26.09 | Shirik | wat |
| 01:32.43 | Cide | haha |
| 01:32.52 | Cide | I like how that's a legitimate status |
| 01:32.56 | Iriel | what's that from? |
| 01:33.27 | Iriel | I've written systems that use that as an INTERNAL status, but i'd never show it to a customer! |
| 01:34.06 | Shirik | I know seriously |
| 01:34.08 | Iriel | i'd expect it to mean 'requires review, potential fraud' |
| 01:34.16 | Shirik | no it was blocked completely |
| 01:34.19 | Shirik | I had to contact their support |
| 01:34.46 | Shirik | I have accepted the order and set the invoice as unpaid. You should be able to log in and pay the invoice. |
| 01:34.46 | Shirik | The problem is that you're ordering from a Florida IP, but your address listed is VA. |
| 01:34.57 | Shirik | ._. |
| 01:35.02 | foxlit | Them internets! |
| 01:35.18 | Iriel | Floridas a dodgy state |
| 01:43.48 | Shirik | so like |
| 01:43.51 | Shirik | if I have something to sell on ebay |
| 01:43.54 | Shirik | but my reputation sucks |
| 01:44.06 | Shirik | (as in, I have no reputation, not that I have negative feedback) |
| 01:44.12 | Shirik | does that mean nobody will buy it? |
| 01:45.19 | Iriel | I imagine it depends what you're selling |
| 01:45.36 | Iriel | if it's suspicious, your chances will be a lot lower (i.e. something that could easily turn out to be a scam) |
| 01:45.49 | Shirik | it's a $200 wow card |
| 01:45.56 | Iriel | if there are many sellers of the same thing, you probably wont fare as well (buyers would pick someone with a solid reputation) |
| 01:46.14 | foxlit | isn't $200 a bit excessive? |
| 01:46.22 | Shirik | I could sell it for $200 on ebay (assuming someone buys it), or I can sell it to a store for $175 |
| 01:46.23 | Iriel | my guess is that's going to be a bit of a challenge |
| 01:46.32 | Shirik | I'm debating going the store route |
| 01:46.40 | Iriel | and really, if it's a 200 card, why on earth would anyone spend 200 for it |
| 01:46.44 | Iriel | that's just retarded |
| 01:47.02 | Cide | well if it's a 200 card of course people will spend 200 on it! |
| 01:47.09 | Shirik | um |
| 01:47.11 | Cide | I'd imagine they wouldn't if it was, say, a $100 card |
| 01:47.13 | Shirik | I know Iriel |
| 01:47.15 | Shirik | that's why I'm not using it |
| 01:47.18 | Shirik | I'm selling it |
| 01:47.29 | Iriel | If you have $200, you'd just buy 200 of wow |
| 01:47.38 | Iriel | Rather than some dodgy second hand game card |
| 01:47.44 | foxlit | I'm having difficulty translating that into years |
| 01:47.48 | Iriel | there's GOT to be a discount for it to be useful |
| 01:47.55 | Shirik | hm? |
| 01:47.58 | Shirik | nonono |
| 01:48.01 | Shirik | TCG card, Iriel |
| 01:48.12 | Iriel | OH |
| 01:48.15 | Iriel | that changes everything 8-) |
| 01:48.45 | Iriel | Still, 200 for a piece of cardboard |
| 01:48.49 | Shirik | I know |
| 01:48.52 | Iriel | with no inherent value |
| 01:48.53 | Shirik | I would never buy it |
| 01:48.53 | foxlit | With pretty ink on it. |
| 01:48.56 | Shirik | but I know there are people who would |
| 01:48.56 | Iriel | Anyone who does buy it is an idiot |
| 01:49.02 | Shirik | there are a ton of people that do |
| 01:49.12 | Shirik | primarily it's because it gives you an in-game mount |
| 01:49.14 | Iriel | well, if they're dumb enough to buy the card in the first place |
| 01:49.19 | Iriel | chances are your reputation is irrelevant |
| 01:49.23 | Shirik | lmao |
| 01:50.14 | Cide | I'd imagine it's doable if you present it solidly |
| 01:50.24 | Iriel | How do they know you didn't use the mount code? |
| 01:50.37 | Shirik | Well it's not scratched off |
| 01:50.37 | Iriel | is it covered in foil? |
| 01:50.39 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:50.43 | Iriel | that helps |
| 01:50.47 | Cide | i.e. not a wall of text just waiting to hide a tiny "** Note: This code is already used. You hereby acknowledge that you purchase it knowingly." or wtfever |
| 01:50.51 | foxlit | You don't, basically |
| 01:51.15 | foxlit | Dispute resolution for those things must be hell |
| 01:51.36 | foxlit | "The thing he sent me wasn't what he described!" "So not true!" |
| 01:52.20 | Cide | video the whole packing process all the way to when you give it to the post office, clearly |
| 01:54.44 | foxlit | Think it might be easier on the receiving end -- could get the postal worker to certify the contents as you receive the thing |
| 01:55.03 | Cide | yep |
| 01:55.12 | Cide | but that assumes that the sender is the scammer |
| 01:55.20 | Cide | I'd imagine Shirik isn't |
| 01:55.41 | Shirik | I might be o.o |
| 01:55.48 | Cide | uh oh |
| 01:55.55 | foxlit | "Well, you accepted the thing" might fly. |
| 01:56.16 | foxlit | I stand by my original assessment -- dispute resolution is hell. |
| 01:56.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:57.17 | Cide | EDGE-connected battery-driven webcam inside the package during transfer? |
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| 01:58.47 | Shirik | lol |
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| 01:59.23 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26723616079&sid=2000 |
| 01:59.32 | bluspacecow | weird crash report is weird |
| 01:59.36 | bluspacecow | suggestions ? |
| 02:00.07 | Kraps | hey |
| 02:00.20 | bluspacecow | herro |
| 02:00.35 | bluspacecow | i just can't trace what could be causing the error |
| 02:00.55 | bluspacecow | "011B5445 <unknown module> <unknown symbol>+0 (0x003CFB00,0x011B1B80,0x003CFAEC,0x003CFBD0) |
| 02:04.39 | Kraps | whatd i miss? |
| 02:04.42 | Amarande | rats |
| 02:04.47 | Amarande | we had to give up on sindy this week |
| 02:04.59 | Amarande | tell me things don't get this bad with dragons in cata, please :| |
| 02:05.33 | Kraps | what would "this" be? |
| 02:12.35 | Kraps | "Weâve added a new flying skill called Flight Master's License. When World of Warcraft: Cataclysm is released, players who purchase the expansion will see this skill available from flight trainers for 250 gold once they reach level 60. This new skill is required for flying around all Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms zones, including the new level 80-85 zones. " |
| 02:12.42 | Kraps | wow |
| 02:16.05 | Legorol | kraps: why "wow"? |
| 02:16.14 | Legorol | sounds the same as the northrend's cold weather flying |
| 02:16.15 | Legorol | just cheaper |
| 02:16.18 | Kraps | "250 gold" |
| 02:16.33 | foxlit | Legorol: northrend had a point |
| 02:16.43 | foxlit | I can't even motivate this one. |
| 02:16.55 | Amarande | okay, ICC has really left me with certain feelings about the design of fights and the evolution of RPGs |
| 02:17.09 | Legorol | foxlit: soryr i don't get you, can you explain? |
| 02:17.10 | Amarande | 1. I REALLY HATE how things are being further and further pushed towards choreography (SINDY I AM LOOKING AT YOU.) |
| 02:17.19 | Legorol | in both cases, you need to buy 1 skill to be able to fly in a certain area |
| 02:17.23 | Legorol | aren't they the same? |
| 02:17.26 | foxlit | Legorol: no, not quite |
| 02:17.32 | Legorol | please do explain |
| 02:17.34 | Amarande | 2. Action fights aren't necessarily bad. I LOVE the Blood Princes fight. |
| 02:17.39 | foxlit | Northrend had zones that were designed to be experienced on foot. |
| 02:18.12 | Legorol | doesn't 80-85? i don't know anything about Cata |
| 02:18.15 | Amarande | 3. I wonder if we are indeed going to still get the nightmare world of RPGs where almost the whole genre evolves into DMC/Ninja Gaiden type games, though :( |
| 02:18.19 | foxlit | Cataclysm does not -- low level zones are handled by the level limit on the regular flying skill, and high level zones are designed around flight. |
| 02:18.33 | Legorol | i see |
| 02:18.40 | Legorol | then i see what you mean |
| 02:18.43 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:18.49 | Legorol | this does sound like a 250g "tax" on playing the expansion |
| 02:19.00 | foxlit | The best theory I've heard is "Oh hey, we need to sell flying in old zones as part of the Cataclysm expansion" |
| 02:19.03 | Legorol | also, in Northrend, you *can* fly at 77, but you don't have to |
| 02:19.07 | A-KO | man we just anal raped these guys in LoL--we went to do baron, they just got him, and we proceeded to rock 4 of them wiithin 10 seconds..... |
| 02:19.13 | Legorol | with the exception of parts of storm peaks, you can get anywhere on land |
| 02:19.18 | A-KO | honestly |
| 02:19.23 | A-KO | blizzard needs another big gold sink |
| 02:19.28 | foxlit | Legorol: icecrown? |
| 02:19.36 | Legorol | you can get to most of it on ground |
| 02:19.37 | Amarande | A-KO: you're probably right |
| 02:19.45 | Amarande | we got the nightmare economy I predicted BEFORE WotLK came out |
| 02:19.47 | foxlit | You can't get down from the airship |
| 02:19.49 | Legorol | also, there's the loaned gryphon thingy |
| 02:19.53 | foxlit | And the airship is a quest hub. |
| 02:19.54 | Legorol | foxlit, you can enter on land |
| 02:19.54 | Amarande | and only RP servers have resisted it to any degree at all |
| 02:19.59 | Legorol | by the Argent camp in the south east |
| 02:20.03 | bluspacecow | a set of armor kits that do nothing but make your armor sparkle mightly ... whose mats cost 2000 G each |
| 02:20.03 | Legorol | and ride around from there |
| 02:20.17 | A-KO | Amarande: I like the large gold sinks of the previous expansions, they had a point.....epic riding, epic flying.... |
| 02:20.19 | foxlit | Legorol: yes, you can. You cannot do all of it that way, though |
| 02:20.20 | A-KO | they need something else |
| 02:20.25 | Kraps | the loaned gryphon is slower than normal flying |
| 02:20.26 | A-KO | something you *really should have* |
| 02:20.30 | Amarande | A-KO: yeah now all the gold sinks are basically RP oriented |
| 02:20.30 | foxlit | There are places that are inaccessible without flight, anyhow. |
| 02:20.32 | Legorol | which is why i said "you can get to most of it" |
| 02:20.33 | bluspacecow | epic armor sparklies |
| 02:20.40 | bluspacecow | that you need to replace as you replace armor |
| 02:20.43 | Legorol | you can most ceratinly get to 80 no problem |
| 02:20.52 | Amarande | like the traveler's tundra mount and the flowers and such |
| 02:20.58 | Amarande | actually, in fact, RP servers *still do* have balanced economies |
| 02:21.04 | Amarande | because so much gold leaves the server via those |
| 02:21.07 | foxlit | Not sure what your original point was, Legorol :) |
| 02:21.17 | Legorol | we are in agreement |
| 02:21.30 | Amarande | PvE servers have bad economies because so much gold floods in from dailies and heroics |
| 02:21.34 | Legorol | i was saying "yes i can see the point of the northrend flight thing, it's optional, as you can do the content without it, so it's ok to ask gold for it" |
| 02:21.38 | Amarande | and I'm not sure what really takes any out, besides repair costs in raids |
| 02:21.59 | Legorol | AH cut |
| 02:22.05 | Amarande | yeah that's about it |
| 02:22.25 | Legorol | however, those vendor sinks you mentioned on RP realms, some of it goes on PvE too |
| 02:22.26 | foxlit | repair costs anywhere. Reagents. |
| 02:22.31 | Amarande | I wonder if PvP servers are similar to PvE servers in that regard or a little worse |
| 02:22.36 | Legorol | if players are richer, more mammoth/paris hilton bags etc. are sold |
| 02:22.46 | Amarande | probably even a little worse, since PvP gear is almost entirely bought with currencies that aren't gold |
| 02:23.00 | Legorol | so is pve gear, amarande |
| 02:23.04 | foxlit | But the 250g is a joke -- anyone at that level will cover it with the next ~20 quests or something. |
| 02:23.05 | Legorol | emblems and drops |
| 02:23.15 | Amarande | Legorol: not really, there's a lot of 264 BoE that gets sold and takes money out through AH cuts |
| 02:23.23 | Legorol | foxlit: well it has to be cheap if it's mandatory |
| 02:23.26 | foxlit | It'll be more annoying to have to go find a trainer after purchasing the expansion :P |
| 02:23.29 | Legorol | and by the sound of it, you can't play the expansion without it |
| 02:23.38 | Legorol | they can't possibly tax you 1000g to play the expansion |
| 02:23.44 | Legorol | heck i feel even 250 is a bit iffy |
| 02:23.44 | Amarande | PvP, there's what, 187 blue gear that you can get crafted and that's the highest BoE PvP gear goes? |
| 02:23.51 | bluspacecow | chump change from AH sales 250G is |
| 02:24.00 | Amarande | 250? that's a day's dailies at 80 |
| 02:24.11 | foxlit | less. |
| 02:24.19 | foxlit | Though perhaps you do fewer dailies :) |
| 02:24.21 | Legorol | 250 is one Undying run :o) |
| 02:24.29 | Amarande | what's a day's dailies ... 25 times 13g23? |
| 02:24.43 | Amarande | foxlit: I'm also working on netherwing ... which means I'm getting 4-8g from most of the dailies I actually do lately |
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| 02:25.00 | Legorol | Undying gives 285g in an hour and a half, so it's a bit more efficient than dailies, and possibly a lot more fun |
| 02:25.13 | Legorol | plus the emblems you get will sell as well |
| 02:25.22 | Legorol | plus the bop epics that you vendor |
| 02:25.28 | bluspacecow | 25 x 13.23 = 330.75 |
| 02:25.32 | Legorol | it's quite a neat thing to farm Naxx10 |
| 02:26.27 | foxlit | Legorol: I think what ends up bugging me is that the cost is neither here nor there |
| 02:26.35 | Legorol | idd, i agree |
| 02:26.47 | Legorol | 250 is enough to be an irritant at most for most people |
| 02:26.55 | Amarande | but yeah, PvP servers probably actually have a little *less* AH activity to take gold away than PvE servers do. |
| 02:26.57 | Legorol | and the few people that can't afford it, well, why aren't they allowed to play the expansion? |
| 02:27.08 | Amarande | since the only thing that gold is useful for to the hardcore PvP'er basically is gems and enchants |
| 02:27.17 | foxlit | I don't think you /can/ be in a position not to be able to afford it |
| 02:27.24 | Legorol | sure you can |
| 02:27.32 | Legorol | i do know one or two people who struggle to keep 200 |
| 02:27.37 | Cide | why is flying mandatory for the expansion? |
| 02:27.38 | foxlit | At 80? |
| 02:27.38 | Legorol | they just piss it away basically |
| 02:27.40 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:27.42 | Cide | can you not access the zones? |
| 02:27.45 | Legorol | and don't bother to do anything to get more |
| 02:27.48 | foxlit | Cide: zone design, really. |
| 02:27.58 | foxlit | They assume you can fly. |
| 02:28.03 | Cide | ah |
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| 02:28.23 | foxlit | You may be able to do some of it on foot, but you might also get stuck with somewhere you cannot get to |
| 02:29.23 | Legorol | gnight peeps |
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| 02:39.22 | Wobin | Flying should be cheap enough at that point, I imagine |
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| 02:53.36 | kd3 | har |
| 02:53.51 | kd3 | oralius' new quest in cataclysm is "SEVEN! YUP!" down from fifty. |
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| 03:02.38 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives |
| 03:27.56 | kd3 | woot! hydraxian rep on a premade copy |
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| 03:54.56 | TC-Mobile | ~moo |
| 03:54.56 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 04:12.50 | kd3 | har. Breastplate of the Undercover Thorium Brother |
| 04:15.50 | Amarande | I almost read that as "I am moo, here me cow" |
| 04:16.00 | Amarande | kd3: is it actually a breast plate, or is it a "breast" plate :P |
| 04:20.41 | Amarande | so, does the PTR 4.0.1 include the new item balances for cata yet? |
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| 04:29.19 | kd3 | whee. 12824 on the ptr |
| 04:29.22 | kd3 | sighs |
| 04:35.56 | Amarande | kd3: queues? |
| 04:36.02 | kd3 | dunno] |
| 04:36.04 | kd3 | downloading |
| 04:36.16 | Amarande | also, to character copy |
| 04:36.24 | Amarande | do you have to be completely logged out of wow or only out of the character you want to copy over? |
| 04:36.33 | kd3 | just the toon you want copied over |
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| 04:38.08 | Amarande | ah. |
| 04:38.12 | Amarande | also, about that spirit change |
| 04:38.26 | Amarande | dps casters get 0 mana regen from spirit? or just little enough that it's too marginal to bother with? |
| 04:38.54 | kd3 | zero. casters (mages, locks, shadow priests) do not want spirit on their gear at all. it does nothing for them |
| 04:39.10 | kd3 | we get a trickle of combat regen just by virtue of being there. everything else comes from talents |
| 04:39.14 | Amarande | so spirit mana regen's probably activated by a *talent in healer trees* then? |
| 04:39.23 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:39.28 | Amarande | which means ele shamans, balance druids, and shadow priests don't get any either, I'm guessing |
| 04:39.48 | smcn | shadow priests get hit for spirit, unless they plan on removing that (which i kind of hope they do) |
| 04:39.57 | Amarande | I'm also guessing that the spirit regen talent is deep enough in the healer tree that you can't dual tree into it? |
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| 04:40.10 | kd3 | that would make sense, now... wouldn't it? |
| 04:40.14 | kd3 | points at wowtal.com |
| 04:40.17 | Amarande | on a related point then ... |
| 04:40.21 | Amarande | how are fel armor and GOLT changing? |
| 04:40.41 | Amarande | or is GOLT going from godly required for aff to el sucko? |
| 04:40.48 | kd3 | ask a lock. I dunno |
| 04:41.09 | Kraps | epic launcher is epic |
| 04:41.28 | Kraps | its all red and shit |
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| 04:50.53 | airtonix | http://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html |
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| 04:53.36 | p3lim | I think im going mad.. 100 * 0 = 0, but if I do :SetWidth(100 * 0), :GetWidth() return 8.0000005623091 |
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| 04:53.39 | p3lim | every time |
| 04:54.24 | Iriel | Does 0 mean 'use whatever your anchors say' ? |
| 04:54.34 | Iriel | is there a minimum size on the thing you're setting? |
| 04:54.44 | p3lim | what do you mean? |
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| 04:55.34 | Iriel | What is it you are calling SetWidth on? |
| 04:56.39 | p3lim | texture |
| 04:57.18 | p3lim | which is pointed to another texture, anchored to the main frame |
| 04:57.40 | Iriel | My wild guess is that '0' means the same as 'not set' |
| 04:57.45 | Iriel | so it's defaulting to an anchor based width |
| 04:57.49 | Iriel | I could be very wrong 8-) |
| 04:58.06 | p3lim | there is no anchorbased width |
| 04:58.20 | Kraps | the colored arrows at the bottom of the download bar are where that stage begins? |
| 04:58.32 | Kraps | in the cata launcher |
| 04:58.32 | Iriel | odd then. |
| 04:58.35 | Iriel | Kraps: yes |
| 04:58.41 | Kraps | mk |
| 04:58.52 | Iriel | It checks the stages off as they're reached |
| 04:59.53 | p3lim | Iriel: if you want to see it for yourself, the mess is on line 49-53 https://gist.github.com/7a5fc3688d8fc056cfe6 |
| 05:00.07 | p3lim | creation at 199-203 |
| 05:00.22 | Kraps | there is a green arrow but i'm not near it |
| 05:01.53 | Iriel | p3lim: not sure then, have you tried just using 0.000001 or something (and then hidingt he frame for good measure)? |
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| 05:02.18 | p3lim | hiding it would work, but i was trying to avoid that, rather just set the width to 0 |
| 05:02.27 | p3lim | which is supposed to act the same way |
| 05:03.11 | p3lim | gonna try changing the points and use :SetHeight() instead of locking that down |
| 05:03.16 | p3lim | based on the points |
| 05:03.38 | p3lim | just that I had no issue with exactly this on live |
| 05:04.08 | Iriel | it could easily be a bug, they've been doing a bunch of optimizations |
| 05:04.32 | p3lim | though, I tried spawning a lone texture anchored to UIParent, just for testing |
| 05:04.37 | p3lim | and it had no issue whatsoever |
| 05:05.35 | p3lim | hm, still same issue |
| 05:05.43 | p3lim | something is very messed up somewhere |
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| 05:07.56 | p3lim | also, do you happen to know if UnitGetIncomingHeals() can return something else than a number, like nil? |
| 05:09.23 | Iriel | I dont |
| 05:14.29 | p3lim | yep, it can be nil |
| 05:14.41 | p3lim | on units that cannot get healed |
| 05:15.21 | Corrodias | you should be able to heal bosses |
| 05:15.33 | Corrodias | and especially mobs in the overworld. trollin' other players. |
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| 05:23.08 | p3lim | Iriel: you were partly right, the width number was from its relativepoint, though I fail to see how that got into the texture's width at all |
| 05:26.35 | p3lim | hey tekkub |
| 05:30.01 | p3lim | anyways, what I'm trying to is to first get the % of total health the incoming is going to heal, then multiply it with width of the healthbar, that way I get an indication of how much is going to get healed (which is the whole point of the new API) |
| 05:30.26 | p3lim | and at this hour, that math is really messing with my haed |
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| 05:34.17 | DesertDwarf | ping Dolby |
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| 06:01.49 | airtonix | You will never get a rare artifact more than once. |
| 06:01.52 | airtonix | kek |
| 06:01.57 | airtonix | ever |
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| 06:13.18 | mikma | anyone here remembers the addon that shows directional arrows next to unitframes? |
| 06:20.59 | Amarande | yay, time to run reg HoR again. |
| 06:22.14 | DesertDwarf | mikma: What about this? http://www.wowace.com/addons/direction-arrow/ |
| 06:23.23 | Dagmar | airtonix: That leads me to believe they're going to either make 'em randomly generated like <> of the <> items, or put in a ton of 'em |
| 06:24.51 | airtonix | does it mean that once you put one together, that for the rest of your characters life, it will never ever discover another one ? |
| 06:25.11 | Dagmar | Not of *that* item |
| 06:25.20 | Dagmar | at least as I understand it |
| 06:29.32 | Dagmar | "You won't find a second copy of a common object until you have found all the artifacts of that race." <-- this I like |
| 06:32.13 | Dagmar | Only thing to do now is wait for the people posting to the forums "OMG mages are so OP for this... They can teleport to any dig site they want" |
| 06:36.51 | DesertDwarf | Mages have that much flexibility when teleporting? |
| 06:37.12 | Dagmar | Gods no |
| 06:38.18 | Dagmar | There's just always some people who will obsessively decide to do something like Archaeology by "powerleveling" it, even when that means it makes it the most painful thing ever |
| 06:38.37 | DesertDwarf | True. |
| 06:38.56 | Dagmar | By the description they're saying four dig sites per content active, which means someone wanting to hit them one after the other is going to be in for a LOT of flying around |
| 06:39.21 | mikma | desertdwarf: that's almost like it, but it's still not it :) |
| 06:39.37 | Dagmar | ...where a mage can just basically port from continent to continent and at least have a more consistent travel time |
| 06:40.09 | DesertDwarf | mikma: What's different about what you're looking for? |
| 06:40.30 | Dagmar | No needig to hearth back to Dalaran because you just hit up a location in Desolace, if you're a mage |
| 06:40.48 | mikma | desertdwarf: that one works on mouseover (afaik), i want to see the arrows all the time |
| 06:40.57 | DesertDwarf | mikma: I read that Vuhdo has an arrow, too. It *appears* to me it's now limited to only one unit frame at a time. |
| 06:41.15 | DesertDwarf | mikma: But I've been known to be wrong. :-) |
| 06:41.27 | mikma | i'm kinda interested of writing an addon that can handle multiple arrows, which you can enter yourself |
| 06:41.32 | mikma | like "point to these friends" |
| 06:41.55 | Dagmar | So long as you add one that just picks a random coordinate to point at |
| 06:42.02 | DesertDwarf | Hehe. |
| 06:42.08 | DesertDwarf | Evil is Dagmar. |
| 06:43.01 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.04 | mikma | dagmar: interesting idea |
| 06:44.04 | Dagmar | I didn't know. I just invised up, started a fire, reinvised real quick and burned them all |
| 06:44.21 | DesertDwarf | Never played EQii. |
| 06:44.35 | Dagmar | I'm too much of a tourist |
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| 06:44.59 | Dagmar | I'm not really playing it so much as gawping at it |
| 06:45.16 | Dagmar | Leveling just enough to go sightseeing without being roflstomped |
| 06:45.49 | Dagmar | Invisibility, hem hrm scuse me "Gather Shadows" is somewhat important in that |
| 06:46.13 | Dagmar | 'bout like when I played EQ1. Once I got Invisibility, I just used it all the time |
| 06:47.00 | DesertDwarf | mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17169-GridFrameArrows.html |
| 06:47.33 | mikma | desertdwarf: yeah, i had a look at that too but i'm not using grid :D |
| 06:47.53 | Dagmar | mikma: I actually figure random coordinates are more likely to find weird bugs with non-linear terrain |
| 06:47.53 | mikma | TomTomPing is a good start |
| 06:49.05 | DesertDwarf | Oh, well, if single arrow is OK: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tomtomtargetarrow.aspx |
| 06:49.25 | DesertDwarf | I found that earlier after you asked but dismissed it because you can only have one TomTom arrow. |
| 06:49.44 | DesertDwarf | But it's old. :-/ |
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| 06:57.15 | mikma | yeah |
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| 07:29.23 | Zhinjio | quick question.... |
| 07:29.31 | Zhinjio | if you had a counter tracking xp gained in a session |
| 07:29.33 | Zhinjio | and you levelled |
| 07:29.44 | Zhinjio | would you want that sessionXP counter to reset to 0, or keep rising>? |
| 07:30.58 | nevcairiel | XP since level up is in every XP bar mod |
| 07:31.34 | Zhinjio | nods. Thats true. But it also doesn't answer my question. |
| 07:31.50 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt reset it |
| 07:31.57 | nevcairiel | or show a second value |
| 07:31.58 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 07:32.26 | Zhinjio | thats my gut feeling too |
| 07:34.16 | Zhinjio | MMMmmm, Aeon Flux is on |
| 07:34.21 | Zhinjio | <3 Charlize Theron |
| 07:35.49 | airtonix | topic nazi says ... |
| 07:40.34 | ZorbaTHut | the new blizzard downloader has crashed three times so far, and it's barely through the yellow segment |
| 07:40.38 | ZorbaTHut | so far: not impressed |
| 07:40.54 | ZorbaTHut | er, barely into, not through |
| 07:42.38 | airtonix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA |
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| 07:45.27 | ZorbaTHut | airtonix, that is pretty badass |
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| 07:46.50 | airtonix | would be great in ceiling spaces of extremely long corridors ? |
| 07:47.13 | nevcairiel | I would rather say it would be great in spaces where you can't use a cable :p |
| 07:47.16 | nevcairiel | like, over a street |
| 07:47.48 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, they're showing it going over buildings |
| 07:48.24 | nevcairiel | although it would be a bit funny whne some fog comes up and you can see the data bursts :D |
| 07:49.46 | ZorbaTHut | from what I've heard, the way these things work is that they're pretty much constantly transmitting stuff, just to keep it all in synch |
| 07:50.10 | ZorbaTHut | you don't want to have your datastream transmit a hundred null bytes and have to figure out if the sender sent 800 zeros or 801 |
| 07:51.06 | Amarande | yay, so here I am sitting at the beginning of reg pos waiting for a replacement tank |
| 07:51.12 | Amarande | since the tank we were given dc'd right away |
| 07:51.14 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 07:52.14 | ZorbaTHut | solution: learn to tank :D |
| 07:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | (four crashes, I hope blizzard is getting crash reports from this idiotic patcher) |
| 07:54.26 | Maldivia | havent had much issue with it |
| 07:54.37 | Amarande | Zorba: I'm on my warlock |
| 07:54.44 | Amarande | I don't think I can tank on an aff lock |
| 07:54.45 | Amarande | :| |
| 07:55.02 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, level plate or druid :D okay, okay, maybe not immediately practical |
| 07:59.07 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, besides the constant crashing, neither have I, but that's kind of a big besides |
| 07:59.08 | airtonix | pos ? |
| 08:02.12 | ZorbaTHut | ficve crashes. seriuosly, blizzard, wtf |
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| 08:07.03 | Maldivia | zorba, well, never had it crash |
| 08:07.57 | Maldivia | had a bit of issues with the first version, not closing the downloader correctly eating 100% cpu |
| 08:08.02 | Amarande | Zorba: besides, I have a plate wearer, my main is a DK |
| 08:08.07 | Amarande | doesn't really help me get gear for my warlock though :D |
| 08:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, I dunno what's going wrong with me, but it's just unusably unstable |
| 08:09.05 | Maldivia | win or mac? |
| 08:09.33 | airtonix | Fisker, haha..mac |
| 08:10.11 | Maldivia | what annoys me with it, is that it is much slower than the old one |
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| 08:10.45 | ZorbaTHut | win for me |
| 08:13.08 | Maldivia | then dont use the launcher |
| 08:13.15 | Maldivia | heh |
| 08:13.49 | Maldivia | only need it for patching the client exe really |
| 08:14.07 | ZorbaTHut | I'd like to download all the actual content overnight |
| 08:16.28 | Maldivia | well, you don't need the launcher for that :P |
| 08:20.49 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's actually the downloader that's crashing |
| 08:30.46 | yoshimo | the beta realms are out of order, arent they? |
| 08:31.28 | Maldivia | working fine for me |
| 08:31.49 | yoshimo | i get disconnected |
| 08:32.05 | Maldivia | it happens |
| 08:32.31 | yoshimo | basically the character selection screen doesnt appear and i get a timeout |
| 08:34.14 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/11/funny-pictures-wearing-shades/ |
| 08:35.00 | Maldivia | yoshimo: I just logged on to the US pvp without issues |
| 08:35.34 | yoshimo | mhmm |
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| 08:38.11 | Amarande | wow trade is all hardcore talking about drugs tonight |
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| 08:47.10 | Corrodias | i was just reminded of my WoW videos folder, and now i'm remembering just how much time i spent playing this game |
| 08:49.36 | Spejnar | dont say that Corrodias, it not good for your health to remember that |
| 08:50.09 | Corrodias | oh, i had some good times |
| 08:50.19 | yoshimo | if the beta launcher is unable to download patches , are they mirrored somewhere? |
| 08:51.27 | Spejnar | Corrodias: sure, me2, I dont think I coulda found a more fun hobby and more fun retards to play with, its still that if you used HALF of the time on something else like playing the guitar or programming you would be a world champ by now (yes, I play a lot) |
| 08:52.23 | Corrodias | that's not really important for me; the only other thing i'd want to do is play othe rgames, so as long as i was enjoying myself, it's okay. |
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| 08:52.59 | Corrodias | even if i do wish the experience had been a little more compact. not so much blah, so i could have finished with it earlier and gone on to other games sooner. |
| 08:56.21 | Spejnar | perhaps, but I have a feeling cata will be really, really good, esp. compared to wotlk |
| 08:59.31 | Corrodias | ah, well, i won't be playing again. i've had just about all the MMO content i'm going to need for many years. |
| 09:00.21 | Spejnar | been playing MMO for 9 years now, pretty sad when I come to think about it. Atleast im not doing hard drugs.. |
| 09:01.03 | industrial | http://i.imgur.com/kVW3G.jpg |
| 09:01.08 | industrial | seriously america, seriously? |
| 09:01.24 | Corrodias | do what you want; i've been playing games for probably 20 years. |
| 09:02.07 | Spejnar | industrial: nice |
| 09:02.13 | zenzelezz | I've never understood why playing MMOs is supposed to be so sad/pathetic, as long as you're happy about playing |
| 09:02.29 | Corrodias | we're surprised at the 6 can/cup holders on that thing? |
| 09:02.36 | Spejnar | speaking of "omg america", guy saves a kid from dying, takes him to the hospital. The reward? He gets the hospital bill since he is responsible. <3 |
| 09:02.41 | Corrodias | i guess i am. most people won't want that much. |
| 09:03.39 | Corrodias | i believe the legal responsibility for that goes to the child's legal guardians. he can push it off on them with court action easily enough unless the story isn't as simple as that. |
| 09:04.45 | Spejnar | but nothing beats the girl that got into a car accident, went uncontious, didnt get coverage because she didnt pre-order the ambulance, and the insurance company won |
| 09:04.48 | Corrodias | dunno, zenzelezz. i've never felt bad about spending all my non-working time playing or reading about games. |
| 09:05.07 | Spejnar | me neither zenzelezz , it probably should feel bad but it doesnt ^^ |
| 09:05.17 | Corrodias | why should it? |
| 09:06.22 | zenzelezz | my comment was a response to "<Spejnar> been playing MMO for 9 years now, pretty sad when I come to think about it" |
| 09:06.48 | Spejnar | because playing online has not been accepted as a social behaviour, atleast not here |
| 09:06.52 | Corrodias | some people will say that producing things for other people to enjoy is a better thing to do. i guess. i have a job; i get paid for that. |
| 09:07.22 | Corrodias | i put in my fair amount per day. |
| 09:07.56 | Corrodias | funny how reading novels is acceptable to some people but playing games isn't |
| 09:08.11 | Corrodias | Some People are jackasses. |
| 09:08.57 | Spejnar | the same ppl that spend hours and hours on facebook calling that productive or social behaviour |
| 09:10.44 | Corrodias | silly; it's all the same thing |
| 09:20.51 | Amarande | ugh, guess what today's daily heroic was! |
| 09:21.15 | nevcairiel | when people say that its usually occulus |
| 09:21.19 | Wobin | occulus? |
| 09:21.20 | Amarande | yeah, Oc, heh |
| 09:21.27 | Amarande | kinda didn't go nearly so smoothly as it should, either |
| 09:21.33 | nevcairiel | i like that instance, its easy and gives alot of badges |
| 09:21.35 | Wobin | either Occ or HHoR, actually =P |
| 09:21.39 | Amarande | HHoR goes better |
| 09:21.45 | Amarande | the thing about HHoR is you KNOW everyone's geared |
| 09:21.55 | Amarande | Occ's difficulty varies VERY wildly, and sadly it IS based on GS |
| 09:22.15 | Amarande | Occ is literally, I think, the one part of LK where GS actually *does* matter in a *direct* sense |
| 09:22.24 | zenzelezz | say what? |
| 09:22.33 | Amarande | zenzelezz: if you're unlucky and get a not very geared group, everyone's squishy |
| 09:22.35 | zenzelezz | Occulus tends to be all about the last fight |
| 09:22.43 | nevcairiel | actually, its based on item level, not some weird GS calculations |
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| 09:22.53 | nevcairiel | and i take it you havent been to ulduar |
| 09:23.05 | Amarande | nevcairiel: only to flame leviathan, and I'm not exactly sure how ilvl affects things there |
| 09:23.17 | nevcairiel | same way it does in occulus |
| 09:23.18 | Amarande | at that point I was on an ICC geared DK and thus it didn't come to mind |
| 09:23.24 | nevcairiel | you get more hp/dmg for better ilvl :p |
| 09:23.40 | nevcairiel | it actually had it way before it was patched into occulus |
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| 09:25.37 | Amarande | heh what's fun in Oc is people who think that out-of-dragon and in-dragon character role actually need to match |
| 09:25.44 | Amarande | VEHICLE BATTLE YOU FOOL |
| 09:25.59 | Amarande | oh, cool, now I'm stuck at a full load bar |
| 09:26.05 | Amarande | don't tell me Turalyon took a toilet drop again |
| 09:26.28 | Amarande | the HELL is with this server lately |
| 09:26.46 | Amarande | couple weeks ago we had to cancel a raid because everyone got stuck at a full load bar for 20 minutes and too many people assumed it was down and gave up |
| 09:26.54 | Amarande | last couple of days we've been getting DCs like effing crazy |
| 09:27.14 | Amarande | we're talking "needed 3 attempts on TORAVON 10 MAN because the server's so unstable that tanks and healers were DC'ing" |
| 09:27.28 | Amarande | now I'm getting stuck at a full load bar again |
| 09:27.30 | Amarande | wtf, Turalyon? |
| 09:27.47 | zenzelezz | I doubt Turalyon's to blame |
| 09:28.02 | zenzelezz | can't picture him going evil and causing problems |
| 09:28.09 | Amarande | zenzelezz: :P |
| 09:28.19 | Amarande | I mean, what the hell is with this server ... and maybe whole battlegroup |
| 09:28.31 | Amarande | I've been having problems in randoms with people from *other* servers DC'ing in 5's too |
| 09:28.47 | zenzelezz | I wish I had my screenshots from the autumn before 2.0 |
| 09:29.00 | zenzelezz | EU-Silvermoon was so bad, disconnections left and right |
| 09:29.48 | Amarande | on the other hand, Sindragosa managed to hand us our asses over and over tonight without any DC's soo ... hmm. |
| 09:29.53 | Amarande | oh wait |
| 09:29.57 | Amarande | I think someone DID DC during one attempt |
| 09:30.03 | Amarande | but yeah, we weren't getting her down this week |
| 09:30.12 | zenzelezz | since Anub'Rekhan didn't work well with people disconnecting, we stopped trying him and went to clear our way to Razuvious. Then, when we were a couple of pulls into the deathknight wing, someone reconnected in Anub'Rekhan's room, causing his fight to start, and Anub'Rekhan left his room, coming all the way to the deathknight wing |
| 09:30.13 | Amarande | heals problems, mostly |
| 09:30.14 | zenzelezz | was quite spectacular |
| 09:30.18 | Amarande | that and Sindragosa just sucks |
| 09:30.31 | Amarande | and no it's NOT me complaining about movement battles in general |
| 09:30.36 | Amarande | I LOVE the Blood Princes battle, for instance |
| 09:30.41 | Amarande | it's just ... Sindragosa sucks. |
| 09:31.06 | zenzelezz | I remember my first Vashj kill too... I actually disconnected for ~20 seconds during the fight... while I was tanking her |
| 09:31.11 | Amarande | yay, I'm stuck at a full load bar again |
| 09:31.22 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I disconnected during Valithria the other night and we had a wipe |
| 09:31.27 | Amarande | a wipe literally one heal off winning |
| 09:31.32 | Amarande | I'm surprised I didn't miss the fight entirely |
| 09:31.38 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 09:31.57 | Amarande | well, there were other technical problems there |
| 09:32.10 | Amarande | I don't think it was my DPS DK DC'ing that caused the issue ... we also had healers losing stacks due to lag spikes |
| 09:32.52 | Dagmar | Something is terribly wrong. |
| 09:33.09 | Dagmar | FFXIV's downloader actually worked without intervention. |
| 09:33.17 | zenzelezz | it's the sign of the apocalypse! |
| 09:37.40 | Amarande | is FFXIV live already? |
| 09:37.59 | Amarande | and have they learned the lessons of FFXI? |
| 09:38.15 | Amarande | namely, that things really should be more solo friendly for non-raid/dungeon stuff, and that impossible boss is impossible? :) |
| 09:38.47 | Dagmar | I dunno. They've mastered making you hoof it for miles between objectives |
| 09:39.36 | Corrodias | Barrens-level hoofing it? |
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| 09:42.41 | harl | wuff wuff |
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| 10:00.59 | Mike-N-Go | Is it a fair wind tonight? |
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| 10:11.55 | Fisker | why do people make batshit insane arguments? |
| 10:12.14 | Sliker | because they have run out of ones that make sense |
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| 10:12.46 | Fisker | :O |
| 10:12.48 | Fisker | but seriously |
| 10:13.22 | Fisker | this guy (who is working at microsoft support coincidentally) claims that the USB installer tool microsoft released for Windows 7 can only be used with ultimate configurations of Windows 7 |
| 10:13.23 | Fisker | i lold |
| 10:16.03 | Corrodias | this thing? http://store.microsoft.com/help/iso-tool |
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| 10:20.54 | Fisker | yeah Corrodias |
| 10:20.58 | Fisker | imma sneeze btw |
| 10:21.26 | airtonix | right after you play steam |
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| 10:21.54 | Corrodias | if steam were also a game, would it sell itself? |
| 10:22.17 | Wobin | Fisker: I had issues with that install |
| 10:22.20 | airtonix | only if it bought itself |
| 10:22.42 | Wobin | I can't remember if I ended up just copying the ISO contents and booting off the usb |
| 10:22.48 | Corrodias | "Wii-600 14 in 1 Game Controller Kit" = bunch of plastic junk that makes it harder to play your game! yaay! |
| 10:23.06 | Fisker | both work fine Wobin |
| 10:23.16 | Corrodias | eh, not necessarily junk or bad, but in most cases, i can't imagine that stuff doing anything but getting in the way. |
| 10:23.36 | airtonix | wiimotes are great for concealed remote robot controllers |
| 10:26.50 | Wobin | airtonix: in what way better than any -other- IR control? |
| 10:27.10 | nevcairiel | arent wii motes bluetooth |
| 10:27.26 | Wobin | shrugs, or any -other- BT control |
| 10:27.30 | airtonix | they have directional controllers where my thumbs would be if they were in my hand while i had them in my jacket pockets |
| 10:27.36 | nevcairiel | no need for line of sight with BT! |
| 10:27.40 | Amarande | ahhh, time for my last look at Twilight Ridge on this character |
| 10:27.42 | airtonix | while i was walking innocently long the road |
| 10:27.56 | Amarande | nevcairiel: Target not in line of sight |
| 10:27.57 | Amarande | :) |
| 10:28.05 | Amarande | you want to know what's REALLY weird btw? |
| 10:28.07 | airtonix | watching my voltron deploy havok on the street before me |
| 10:28.08 | Amarande | the other night, I was in TOC5 |
| 10:28.13 | Amarande | and I got "target not in line of sight" |
| 10:28.20 | nevcairiel | nop, i really dont want to know |
| 10:28.22 | Amarande | How the HELL can something not be in line of sight in FREAKING TOC5? |
| 10:28.24 | Wobin | on the fac champs? |
| 10:28.29 | Amarande | think so. |
| 10:28.30 | Wobin | there's an invisible wall behind them |
| 10:28.40 | Wobin | you have to tank them slightly away from the wall |
| 10:29.07 | nevcairiel | they used to reset alot when you tanked them too close to the door |
| 10:29.14 | Corrodias | i like how Nintendo still has the best d-pad, and this even is a mini d-pad that isn't quite as natural as the original. |
| 10:29.34 | Amarande | nev: yeah now they just despawn randomly the first time sometimes |
| 10:29.36 | airtonix | i think the last nintendo product i touched was ten years ago |
| 10:29.37 | Amarande | and nobody really seems to know why |
| 10:29.42 | Corrodias | but the 'box has that diagonal-preferring horror, and the ps2/3's is just a nuisance to use. |
| 10:29.52 | Wobin | if they leave a trampled corpse behind |
| 10:29.59 | Wobin | you'll know it'll bug and reset |
| 10:30.09 | Amarande | Wobin: was there a particular reason they put in that catch? |
| 10:30.27 | Corrodias | sony's is closer to being right, but it's a little mushy, and the lack of a center area leaves you unable to control it effectively from the center position. |
| 10:30.27 | Wobin | no catch, just an indicator that they're not properly reset |
| 10:31.26 | Corrodias | the wii's is just superior, even if it requires a little too much movement for its size. it's about like the DS Lite's, maybe a little better. |
| 10:31.48 | Amarande | yeah, but it seems like they put in some sort of safety catch to have them reset under certain circumstances that seems to have no good reason to be there |
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| 10:32.09 | Wobin | no, not reset under certain circumstance |
| 10:32.10 | Wobin | s |
| 10:32.26 | Corrodias | sleeps |
| 10:32.29 | Wobin | just indicatory of the phase not completing correctly. It's still a bug |
| 10:33.03 | Wobin | There's no hidden 'catch' |
| 10:34.55 | airtonix | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kowpbp3KRG1qzr0xko1_r1_400.jpg |
| 10:36.39 | Wobin | would tap that |
| 10:38.50 | Mike-N-Go | Do you know of any colleges or schools that teach Lua? |
| 10:40.11 | Mike-N-Go | I live in Central California, know of any near here? |
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| 10:46.32 | airtonix | http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/i_see_you0.jpg |
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| 11:10.54 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 11:11.04 | airtonix | but why |
| 11:11.08 | Fisker | i will stop you |
| 11:11.28 | airtonix | but why |
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| 11:14.28 | Amarande | yay, netherwing drake |
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| 11:30.33 | Fisker | so i guess that settles that |
| 11:30.44 | Fisker | we'll have old-world cataclysm pre-4.0.1 |
| 11:34.14 | airtonix | why would you care ? |
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| 11:45.05 | industrial | ~seen Kemayo |
| 11:45.11 | purl | kemayo <~kemayo@adsl-76-214-57-194.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 52d 8h 12m 2s ago, saying: 'Ah, set portal public-test. Fun. :P'. |
| 11:45.16 | industrial | lulz |
| 11:47.41 | Fisker | because i want to have sex with you airtonix |
| 11:47.52 | airtonix | scared |
| 11:48.10 | airtonix | but thats ok |
| 11:48.23 | airtonix | because i don;t play wow anymore |
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| 12:30.43 | Adys | javascripters: How do you get part of a string in js? (in my case I want every char but the first |
| 12:30.45 | Adys | ) |
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| 12:32.20 | Cide | str.substring(1) |
| 12:32.41 | Adys | cool, thanks |
| 12:32.58 | Cide | your google fu is fu-cked |
| 12:33.06 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 12:33.09 | Adys | im dling the us ptr |
| 12:33.14 | Adys | net is slow as ass |
| 12:33.28 | Cide | your bandwidth fu is fu-ll of fail |
| 12:33.42 | Adys | your puns are not fu-nny |
| 12:33.56 | the-golem | lawl |
| 12:34.26 | Cide | are you fu-ming? |
| 12:34.55 | amro | quit failing Cide |
| 12:34.58 | amro | what happened to sc2portal? |
| 12:35.35 | Cide | nothing |
| 12:35.42 | Cide | why do you ask? |
| 12:36.02 | amro | did you give up on it? I figured there'd be something up by now |
| 12:36.09 | Cide | nah |
| 12:38.23 | DWSR | GOOD NEWS EVERYONE |
| 12:38.38 | amro | oh god no, we're all going to die |
| 12:38.39 | Cide | how is that good news? :( |
| 12:39.07 | DWSR | THE SLIME IS FLOWING AGAIN |
| 12:39.21 | DWSR | How's everyone doing on this wonderfully depressing morning? |
| 12:42.17 | Cide | nou |
| 12:48.14 | Cide | I fucking hate myself for never saving psd files |
| 12:54.24 | Fisker | sexes Cide |
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| 12:58.41 | DWSR | Where can I start the Operation: Gnomeregan questline? |
| 12:58.54 | DWSR | nevermind. |
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| 13:00.50 | yoshimo | how big is the 12942 patch for cataclysm? |
| 13:01.44 | Fisker | bigger than your mom lol! |
| 13:01.53 | Fisker | i'm funny :( |
| 13:02.00 | Fisker | believe it was about 500MB though |
| 13:02.46 | yoshimo | is there a place where i can download it? the launcher is broken |
| 13:03.28 | DWSR | yo. |
| 13:03.31 | DWSR | This questline feels epic |
| 13:03.37 | DWSR | Rollin with ma gnomies |
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| 13:19.02 | Adys | ~ping |
| 13:19.02 | purl | ~pong |
| 13:20.33 | yoshimo | DWSR , the eventline that they introduced last maintenance? |
| 13:20.43 | DWSR | yes |
| 13:22.36 | A-KO | oh HP |
| 13:22.38 | A-KO | what fail pricing |
| 13:22.50 | A-KO | the price of 2GB sticks of ram for these systems are $80 each....the price of the 4GB sticks are $350 each |
| 13:23.10 | A-KO | $1,080 difference to go from 8GB to 16GB ram |
| 13:23.31 | A-KO | which is like 2x the cost of the hardware I'd put it in.... |
| 13:23.42 | Cide | how is that fail? |
| 13:23.51 | yoshimo | the best model costs exponentially more usually than the second best option |
| 13:24.03 | Cide | it's obviously more expensive per byte to fit 4gb in a stick than 2gb |
| 13:25.20 | DWSR | Is the final battle for Gnomeregan like the DK final battle? |
| 13:28.44 | Fisker | i pee on you A-KO |
| 13:29.02 | Fisker | naw Cide |
| 13:29.20 | Fisker | if you pay $8000 you can obviously get 200GB ram sticks |
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| 13:34.39 | yoshimo | i have the 15mb wowupdate.mpq but still i cant patch, any ideas fisker? |
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| 13:41.18 | Kraps | looking for employees? use the wow forums! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26725776377&sid=1 |
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| 13:45.49 | DWSR | lolfail. |
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| 13:51.51 | Fisker | no ideas yoshimo |
| 13:52.39 | yoshimo | [CommChannel] Client channel open failure. according to the logfiles, but nothing else |
| 13:55.08 | Kraps | does the patch stop downloading if you start playing? |
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| 13:57.13 | yoshimo | Kraps, to be more precise i try to patch up to the most recent cataclysm build, which is one 500mb patch missing. i start launcher exe, which times out and doesnt connect. if i try to use wow.exe, it doesnt download a patch either but brings me to an empty characterlist /(its out dated so im sure it wont see characters) |
| 14:02.03 | sylvanaar | i wish there was a channel for intellJ plugin developers |
| 14:02.26 | sylvanaar | im so lost on how to resolve variable scope in mine |
| 14:02.43 | Kraps | people are confused http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26726066140&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 14:03.12 | Kraps | but i think thats the default state of humanity |
| 14:03.41 | yoshimo | so Kraps, are you able to help me out>? ;) |
| 14:04.17 | Kraps | yoshimo: sorry, you might have better luck on the beta forum |
| 14:05.28 | yoshimo | i cant post for now^^ my account ran out of time :( |
| 14:05.41 | Kraps | aww |
| 14:08.26 | DWSR | It was so funny, I was doing the Gnomer final battle, and some pally was in my group and was going "zomg 22k crits! pallies are so overpowered." |
| 14:08.31 | DWSR | He did 6k DPS average. |
| 14:08.44 | DWSR | I was like.....*cough* 35k DPS average. Unholy DK AoE win |
| 14:09.03 | DWSR | Uncappable AoE, nom nom nom |
| 14:13.17 | yoshimo | the event buffs are crazy ; |
| 14:14.26 | airtonix | Fisker, i re-jiggered your face |
| 14:15.06 | DWSR | yoshimo: Yeah. |
| 14:16.43 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/11170/ 10 bucks |
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| 14:18.25 | airtonix | Kraps, that game reminds me of a 2000ad comic strip |
| 14:20.54 | Cide | so does your mom |
| 14:21.26 | Kraps | the forum for that game is spazzing with securom hate |
| 14:21.55 | airtonix | why does a steam game have securom ? |
| 14:22.11 | airtonix | don't they use their own copy protection ? |
| 14:22.22 | Cide | why would they? |
| 14:22.26 | Cide | they just distribute games |
| 14:22.36 | airtonix | because securom is stupid easy to bypass |
| 14:23.08 | Thrae | Some Steam publishers demand more than just Steam's own DRM (Steam itself) and include one or more of their own DRMs. For these, it's almost always listed on the Store page. |
| 14:23.18 | airtonix | ok |
| 14:23.51 | Thrae | It's totally stupid, but Steam would rather sell their game then not sell it. Stuff like limited activation is almost always removed. |
| 14:24.38 | airtonix | yeah i just thought maybe valve ould of said to games workshop "hey guys you know securom is crap right ?" |
| 14:24.52 | airtonix | bit like demoing how easy wep is to crack |
| 14:25.12 | Cide | why would they say that? |
| 14:25.20 | Cide | lots of games are published across several distribution platforms |
| 14:25.23 | airtonix | or maybe i assume the relationship is deeper than it really is |
| 14:25.23 | Cide | most games in fact |
| 14:26.29 | airtonix | just like ya mum ? |
| 14:28.07 | Cide | yeah, exactly |
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| 14:29.48 | foxlit | So does the PTR use the streaming client too? |
| 14:29.54 | Kraps | yup |
| 14:30.13 | Kraps | looks real nicer |
| 14:30.18 | Kraps | -er |
| 14:30.26 | Kraps | ack |
| 14:30.36 | foxlit | So my old PTR install is useless. |
| 14:30.57 | Cide | looks real nic |
| 14:30.58 | Kraps | anyway, does it continue downloading if you play? |
| 14:31.10 | foxlit | yes, unless your connection sucks |
| 14:31.22 | Kraps | Cide: i didnt ask for a demonstration :( |
| 14:31.33 | airtonix | too bad |
| 14:32.55 | foxlit | Hm, wonder if you could cajole the client into downloading only FrameXML |
| 14:35.39 | amro | airtonix: steam drm is just as stupid easy to bypass |
| 14:36.17 | airtonix | amro, yeah but remove secureom and you don't remove any benefits |
| 14:36.32 | amro | same with steam |
| 14:36.37 | amro | unless the game uses steamworks |
| 14:36.42 | amro | and few games do |
| 14:36.43 | airtonix | ok |
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| 14:37.20 | amro | I cracked all of my non-steamworks games on steam |
| 14:37.24 | amro | otherwise it takes forever to launch them |
| 14:42.13 | DWSR | ~ping |
| 14:42.13 | purl | ~pong |
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| 15:00.59 | TC-Away | amusing spam "Bra <aurelie@galacticselfdestruction.com>" |
| 15:12.53 | Fisker | anyone know what the fuck the canary build of chrome is? |
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| 15:13.44 | nevcairiel | canary is their nightly builds |
| 15:14.07 | nevcairiel | it auto-updates basically every night and installs side-by-side to normal chrome |
| 15:14.12 | nevcairiel | for bleeding edge testing |
| 15:14.37 | Fisker | sweet |
| 15:16.09 | Spejnar | haha, friend just got owned by 10 boomkin multiboxer in AV, 30 treants + 10 starfalls *giggle* |
| 15:16.23 | Spejnar | loved the screenshot |
| 15:16.47 | Fisker | would've been funnier with 40vs40 |
| 15:17.02 | Fisker | 240 treants and 80 starfalls |
| 15:17.10 | nevcairiel | multiboxing should be banned in pvp |
| 15:17.17 | Spejnar | no no, only if ONE guy controlled all 40 |
| 15:17.47 | Spejnar | well, they camped vandar and made sure 40ppl couldnt kill him.. |
| 15:17.52 | Spejnar | 10 v 40 ^^ |
| 15:18.36 | nevcairiel | of course, its relatively easy to defend any position with totaly organized control, against an unorganized attacking force |
| 15:18.45 | Spejnar | yup |
| 15:19.02 | Spejnar | 30 treants + 10 starfalls + 10 typhoons + 10 hurricans, breaking that is a tad bit hard |
| 15:20.28 | nevcairiel | 10 starfalls alone do some 30k dps or so |
| 15:20.39 | Spejnar | yup |
| 15:20.48 | Spejnar | one starfall on LK when ghouls spawn do 300k dmg.. |
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| 15:22.19 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.33 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rNgCnY1lPg |
| 15:23.02 | Spejnar | Wobin: well they defended him successfully, so not at all |
| 15:23.32 | Spejnar | few seeds or other aoe would kill them extremly quick tho since they are stacked but even getting aoe off.. |
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| 15:26.18 | foxlit | so a two-wave attack |
| 15:26.28 | DWSR | Spejnar: The easiest way to kill a multi-boxer is with knock backs or CCs. |
| 15:26.28 | foxlit | Not like starfall can be up constantly |
| 15:26.58 | DWSR | Knockback or stun one of his clones, kill it. |
| 15:27.04 | DWSR | Retreat, wait. |
| 15:27.07 | DWSR | Do the same with the next. |
| 15:27.14 | DWSR | Boomkins are so squishy in PvP anyway. |
| 15:27.18 | DWSR | LOL AMS+AMZ + DG |
| 15:27.20 | DWSR | I win |
| 15:27.52 | foxlit | 27 very angry treants would like to have a word with you :) |
| 15:28.08 | DWSR | 27 very dead treants. |
| 15:28.11 | Spejnar | foxlit: not like you will survive the starfall and get back before its up again >.< |
| 15:28.24 | foxlit | Spejnar: hence the two-wave thing |
| 15:28.29 | foxlit | Don't send everyone in at first |
| 15:28.34 | Spejnar | DWSR: knockback dun stop starfall and the only CC I can think of that would work is shadowfury in this case |
| 15:28.40 | Spejnar | this is AV, with randoms |
| 15:28.44 | Spejnar | you really think that works? ^^ |
| 15:28.46 | foxlit | charge/intimidating shout |
| 15:28.59 | Spejnar | that might work too, yea |
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| 15:30.46 | DWSR | Fearbombs will work |
| 15:30.52 | DWSR | Also, DG will work to pull one out |
| 15:30.57 | DWSR | It's not about killing them all at once. |
| 15:31.05 | DWSR | It's about distracting/disrupting the player. |
| 15:32.14 | Spejnar | usually you have no time to fail in AV with the charge and aoe tank tactics |
| 15:32.56 | Spejnar | I remember an AV at 60 that took 12h+, not the same BG ^^ |
| 15:33.31 | Spejnar | you cant mage bomb IB GY anymore from the mountains :( |
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| 16:16.56 | Kraps | derp, ptr crash |
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| 16:39.41 | Kraps | are there any adverse effects to using a cataclysm addon on live? |
| 16:40.30 | foxlit | There's no guarantee of compatibility |
| 16:40.50 | foxlit | Cataclysm API is not a subset of 3.3.5 |
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| 16:41.19 | Odlaw | ya, depends on what was needed to fix the addon.. and if the author included statements to check for what version it's running on. |
| 16:41.56 | Iriel | A good number of my addons are working without change |
| 16:42.02 | Iriel | But others are fail |
| 16:45.02 | zenzelezz | are they fail, or do they fail? |
| 16:45.33 | Iriel | the latter, but thanks for asking to be sure |
| 16:45.43 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 16:48.38 | Thunder_Child | "Said he made a playlist for taking a shit. only two songs on it are the Star Wars theme and "America, fuck yeah" set to repeat." lol |
| 16:49.01 | industrial | lua> a=function() return true, false end a() and 'yes' or 'no' |
| 16:49.02 | lua_bot | industrial: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'and' |
| 16:49.12 | industrial | lua> a=function() return true, false end (a()) and 'yes' or 'no' |
| 16:49.12 | lua_bot | industrial: luabot:1: syntax error near 'and' |
| 16:49.20 | foxlit | industrial: 'yes' |
| 16:50.48 | sylvanaar | a=function() return true, false end return (a()) and 'yes' or 'no' |
| 16:50.56 | sylvanaar | lua> a=function() return true, false end return (a()) and 'yes' or 'no' |
| 16:50.57 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: yes |
| 16:51.39 | sylvanaar | I wish I had used TDD on my Lua language plugin for IntelliJ |
| 16:51.48 | industrial | TDD? |
| 16:52.00 | sylvanaar | i wish I had started out writing unit tests |
| 16:52.16 | sylvanaar | now I want to add them and its really daunting |
| 16:52.33 | sylvanaar | TDD = Test Driven Development |
| 16:52.47 | industrial | forefer on my to-learn list :p |
| 16:52.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.30 | sylvanaar | its similar |
| 16:59.10 | Iriel | I'm going to invent the term TSD (Test Supported Development) |
| 16:59.25 | Iriel | It's like TDD except it's alright to create tests after you write code, as long as you do it soon after |
| 16:59.45 | nevcairiel | How about, Support Driven Development, just develop stuff that the customer notices is missing =P |
| 17:01.25 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 17:01.51 | nevcairiel | I'm sure there are alot of people doing that already |
| 17:02.53 | Iriel | So the software claims it does EVERYTHING, and then any time someone finds something it doesn't do you say "Oh, that's a bug" and add it? |
| 17:03.36 | nevcairiel | you obviously have to start with some basic subset of functionality, but yeah, pretty much |
| 17:05.16 | sylvanaar | yeah, just need human testers for that |
| 17:05.29 | nevcairiel | our customers always want some arcane functionality thats probably not going to be ever used |
| 17:07.21 | Iriel | "I need to be able to sort addons by the french translation of the author's mother's maiden name" |
| 17:09.16 | nevcairiel | we developed a web app where customers of our customer can login and input some data, additionally, they can attach files. In 5 years of that app being live, 1 file was uploaded. Perfectly good dev time wasted on that feature |
| 17:10.31 | Maldivia | well, if it was billed by the hour, then no problem :P |
| 17:11.21 | Iriel | We have a couple of tables from the late 1990's that have fields which are never used because the functionality they were designed for has never actually been enabled. |
| 17:13.00 | zenzelezz | maybe not unusual, but I've worked on some projects where some tables had fields no-one knew what was for |
| 17:13.37 | Iriel | I'm sure if I left that would happen 8-) |
| 17:14.29 | Iriel | Even though there was originally field by field documentation, I dont think it's been well maintained |
| 17:14.41 | Arrowmaster | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/12/1350202/Orchestra-To-Turn-Copyright-Free-Classical-Scores-Into-Copyright-Free-Music |
| 17:14.45 | Arrowmaster | cool |
| 17:15.22 | zenzelezz | also tables that have evolved... one client who works with shipping had a system with two privilege levels - admin and customer. Then they wanted another, client, that was somewhere in-between. Now they want another in-between admin and client |
| 17:15.25 | zenzelezz | hack hackity hack |
| 17:21.17 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: have you check the how many backers they got from that slashdot article? |
| 17:21.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:22.19 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: well, since that article was posted, the number of backers rose by almost 50% |
| 17:25.48 | foxlit | question: why can't computers perform symphonies? |
| 17:26.00 | zenzelezz | race conditions? |
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| 17:26.06 | Iriel | They can, they just dont sound as good |
| 17:26.43 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Awesome |
| 17:26.44 | Maldivia | foxlit: you've never seen ST:TNG? |
| 17:26.47 | foxlit | But why not? The score is right there, can we really not play it back? |
| 17:27.03 | foxlit | [Or is it because the scores are, themselves, incomplete descriptions of what is actually played?] |
| 17:27.24 | foxlit | Maldivia: I haven't seen every episode of it |
| 17:27.48 | Maldivia | I just remember that they had that discussion in one episode, where Data was playing his violin |
| 17:28.00 | zenzelezz | I would definitely go to watch a bunch of computers play symphonies |
| 17:29.19 | SqueeG | they'd need AI to do that |
| 17:30.00 | Iriel | zenzelezz: if they were playing all the physical instruments (and were good), I would also |
| 17:30.05 | SqueeG | unless you meant just...repeat already written symphonies |
| 17:30.48 | foxlit | SqueeG: that is exactly what I mean |
| 17:31.11 | foxlit | The linked article was about someone planning to record a bunch of music the copyright for the scores of which has expired. |
| 17:31.45 | foxlit | All to escape the copyrights on individual performances of the said music. |
| 17:40.51 | SqueeG | why is the animation for aladdin 2 so bad? T_T |
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| 17:58.25 | sylvanaar | what makes sense to you guys. if i implement a "go to definition" in my editor where is the definition of self in "function foo:bar(a,b)" |
| 17:58.35 | sylvanaar | right now i have it at "function foo:bar(*a,b)" |
| 17:59.23 | sylvanaar | that make sense to put it there? |
| 18:00.29 | Cide | what? |
| 18:00.59 | sylvanaar | in my editor i can click a symbol, and it will go to the definition of it |
| 18:01.16 | foxlit | no |
| 18:01.20 | sylvanaar | where should the definition of implied self go |
| 18:01.38 | foxlit | Nowhere, really. |
| 18:01.54 | foxlit | You could put it at the colon, but really, there is no definition. Syntactic sugar ate it |
| 18:02.10 | sylvanaar | so, nowhere makes more sense? |
| 18:02.39 | foxlit | Slap whoever asks for the definition of self |
| 18:02.43 | foxlit | :) |
| 18:02.56 | sylvanaar | can do |
| 18:04.36 | sylvanaar | i guess i should do whatever java does with "this" |
| 18:04.56 | foxlit | what does java do with this? |
| 18:07.58 | sylvanaar | nothing |
| 18:08.04 | sylvanaar | heres a use case http://lua.pastey.net/140568 |
| 18:08.35 | foxlit | http://lua.pastey.net/140569 is more interesting |
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| 18:10.14 | sylvanaar | yeah, it handles that just fine though |
| 18:10.22 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSg_0Aina5o |
| 18:10.39 | sylvanaar | since all the self's are lexically scoped |
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| 18:14.11 | Thunder_Child | * Bugs fixed |
| 18:14.11 | Thunder_Child | * Bugs introduced |
| 18:14.11 | Thunder_Child | well, et least they are honest |
| 18:14.16 | Thunder_Child | at* |
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| 18:20.16 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 18:24.54 | Shirik | why does unix's permissions scheme suck |
| 18:25.09 | Shirik | what if I want certain people to be able to read/write, certain people to read, and nobody else? |
| 18:25.20 | zenzelezz | it's open source, go ahead and rewrite it |
| 18:25.39 | Shirik | noty |
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| 18:26.08 | zenzelezz | you want ACLs? |
| 18:26.10 | foxlit | Doesn't it have extended permissions? |
| 18:26.50 | Shirik | extended permissions? |
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| 18:27.53 | sylvanaar | its all about root wheel |
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| 18:32.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: enable ACLs |
| 18:36.14 | Shirik | totally random question |
| 18:36.23 | Shirik | this whole "tying a damsel to a railroad track" |
| 18:36.37 | Shirik | was this actually a common occurrance or is it just some hollywood thing? |
| 18:37.03 | Arrowmaster | hollywood thing |
| 18:37.25 | Arrowmaster | are you playing RDR or something? |
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| 18:44.03 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1941054 |
| 18:44.03 | A-KO | lol |
| 18:46.09 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: RDR? |
| 18:46.19 | Arrowmaster | red dead redemption |
| 18:46.21 | Shirik | Not sure what that is but I just saw some commercial on TV with it |
| 18:46.21 | Shirik | no |
| 18:46.36 | Shirik | I'm setting up a really annoying combination of build servers right now ._. |
| 18:46.39 | Arrowmaster | has an achievement where you have to hog tie a girl and put her on the train tracks and watch the train kill her |
| 18:46.44 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:46.51 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: been there done that |
| 18:46.52 | A-KO | ezmode |
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| 18:46.56 | A-KO | it's called "Dasterdly" |
| 18:47.06 | Arrowmaster | i did it with some bitch that tried to steal my horse |
| 18:47.09 | A-KO | haha |
| 18:47.10 | A-KO | yeah |
| 18:47.14 | Arrowmaster | so no negative karma |
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| 18:47.30 | Adys | Dagmar: you around? |
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| 19:00.36 | mikma | so, how can you "lock" your character so it can't level over 70? |
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| 19:01.13 | Aznamir | hi all |
| 19:01.14 | zenzelezz | talk to some guy in Stormwind Keep (or somewhere on Horde side) and tell him you don't want to |
| 19:01.26 | Aznamir | Does Ace3 work on the beta server? |
| 19:01.39 | zenzelezz | for Alliance he's a stealthed guy in the battle master room in Stormwind Keep, I think |
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| 19:18.02 | Adys | Cide:ping |
| 19:18.10 | Arrowmaster | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39088022 |
| 19:18.11 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:19.11 | Shirik | wow. |
| 19:19.40 | Shirik | it's sad how ignorant the world is |
| 19:20.47 | zenzelezz | adopted the bear as a mascot? |
| 19:26.51 | Cide | Adys: pongg |
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| 19:26.59 | Adys | Cide: get on worms |
| 19:27.00 | Cide | no I don't have time to play worms with you |
| 19:27.05 | Adys | fuck off. |
| 19:27.11 | Cide | that was epic |
| 19:29.28 | SqueeG | holy shit @ the pedobear article |
| 19:29.32 | SqueeG | ./facepalm |
| 19:41.29 | Aznamir | Anyone know an alternative to Ace2 ScheduleRepeatingEvent/CancelScheduledEvent in Ace3? |
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| 19:52.34 | Shirik | Adys: Worms? |
| 19:52.40 | Shirik | Is that that game where you shoot missles at the worms |
| 19:52.44 | Shirik | and try to make them all fall down and die |
| 19:53.00 | A-KO | yes Shirik |
| 19:53.08 | Shirik | omg I haven't played that in like 10 years |
| 19:53.22 | industrial | I want a cool fun scrolling spaceship shooter game to play |
| 19:53.24 | A-KO | they just made a new one, Steam game, "Worms Reloaded" |
| 19:53.31 | A-KO | industrial: a shmup? |
| 19:53.33 | industrial | that isnt raptor: call of the shadows or tyrian |
| 19:53.48 | A-KO | play uhm..... |
| 19:56.11 | A-KO | can't think of it right now |
| 19:56.15 | A-KO | got distracted by a link to /s |
| 19:56.17 | A-KO | lol |
| 19:57.44 | zenzelezz | "'Galileo Was Wrong' is an inaugural conference to discuss the 'detailed and comprehensive treatment of the scientific evidence supporting Geocentrism, the academic belief that the Earth is immobile in the center of the universe.'" |
| 19:57.47 | zenzelezz | "The geocentrists argue that 'Scientific evidence available to us within the last 100 years that was not available during Galileo's confrontation shows that the [Catholic] Church's position on the immobility of the Earth is not only scientifically supportable, but it is the most stable model of the universe and the one which best answers all the evidence we see in the cosmos.'" |
| 19:58.04 | A-KO | LOL zenzelezz |
| 19:58.07 | A-KO | url? |
| 19:58.13 | zenzelezz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/09/12/1855237/Geocentrists-Convene-To-Discuss-How-Galileo-Was-Wrong |
| 19:58.17 | Shirik | anyone good with configuration of postfix? |
| 19:58.39 | Shirik | Sep 12 15:57:39 heresiarchguild postfix/smtpd[360]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[64.244.63.81]: 554 5.7.1 <mpdelbuono@gmail.com>: Relay access denied; from=<buildserver@shiibot.com> to=<mpdelbuono@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<vps121> |
| 19:58.39 | Shirik | Sep 12 15:57:39 heresiarchguild postfix/smtpd[360]: lost connection after RCPT from unknown[64.244.63.81] |
| 19:58.51 | Shirik | I need server B to use server A's SMTP to send a mail |
| 19:58.55 | Shirik | but it's rejecting it |
| 19:58.56 | A-KO | zenzelezz: I like how they add "ism" and use "geo" to make it sound scientific |
| 19:59.04 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 19:59.15 | A-KO | Shirik: postfix fucking sucks :( |
| 19:59.22 | A-KO | same with sendmail :( |
| 19:59.27 | A-KO | actually, all smtp daemons suck |
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| 20:01.34 | foxlit | Shirik: authenticate |
| 20:03.10 | foxlit | http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mynetworks |
| 20:04.11 | Shirik | yeah I found "mynetworks" I just wasn't sure if that's the preferred way |
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| 20:19.46 | zenzelezz | this sounds like several of you people's experience with the Cataclysm beta... http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20100906 |
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| 20:25.37 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.13 | foxlit | Boring poll question, should've /is/should be/ |
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| 21:31.43 | Cide | Shirik |
| 21:31.47 | Cide | hi |
| 21:31.58 | Shirik | hi |
| 21:32.12 | Cide | wanna play sc2? |
| 21:32.31 | Shirik | I'm trying to set up stuff for class tomorrow :( |
| 21:32.37 | Cide | weaksauce |
| 21:32.37 | Cide | ok |
| 21:32.43 | Cide | does that mean your tfs server is up?! |
| 21:40.13 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:40.15 | Fisker | i will fuck you up |
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| 21:45.57 | `Olorin | Is anyone around that would be able to invite my character Warkey to secure hookers please? |
| 21:46.52 | Jamash | has anyone got a diff of the cata beta and PTR UI code? |
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| 22:18.00 | smcn | ghostcrawler busting heads on a sunday, i like it |
| 22:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | so who really understands SIP/RTP? |
| 22:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I has questions |
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| 22:43.48 | Yssaril | damn someone is fast at approving wowi uploads |
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| 23:41.23 | Sliker | sigh. |
| 23:41.29 | Sliker | my search for an irc client continues. |
| 23:42.13 | Jerub | irssi is the only one worth using. |
| 23:47.06 | Cide | irssi is hardly the only one worth using |
| 23:47.13 | Cide | it's just a window with text and input |
| 23:47.26 | Cide | pidgin is fine |
| 23:49.44 | WobWork | Sliker: quassel |
| 23:52.06 | Sliker | seems nice. |
| 23:52.28 | Dagmar | Pro tip: Type /ctcp #channel VERSION |
| 23:54.15 | Yssaril | Sliker: KVIrc |
| 23:56.00 | Sliker | i will not be doing that thank you dagmar |
| 23:57.45 | Dagmar | Well, it's much simpler than waiting for people to declare whatever retarded piece of crap they use to be the bestest IRC client evar |
