| 00:00.08 | Shadowed | Anyway it could also be done by calling the functions themselves and bypassing :Click(), calling :Click() is just a lazy way of doing it |
| 00:00.10 | bluspacecow | so until they protect that button it'll work |
| 00:00.27 | Shadowed | No, protecting Click won't do anything. It would have to protect all of the AH functions for posting |
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| 00:00.55 | bluspacecow | kk thanks shadowed you can go to dinner now if you like :) |
| 00:01.23 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 00:01.30 | Amarande | am I hearing of changes that may mean no more Auctioneer in Cata? |
| 00:01.38 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 00:01.40 | bluspacecow | where ? |
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| 00:07.14 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure thats false |
| 00:07.19 | Shadowed | I haven't heard of anything of the kind |
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| 00:22.57 | SqueeG | holy crap... is it actually efficient to have if then 14 elseifs looking for different events? |
| 00:24.14 | SqueeG | That can't be a good idea |
| 00:24.31 | bluspacecow | can't you use a case switch statement ? |
| 00:25.27 | Adys | theres no case switch statement in lua |
| 00:25.33 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 00:25.41 | bluspacecow | i fail at lua programming |
| 00:25.56 | Corrodias | efficient is kind of a vague term, so... |
| 00:25.57 | Adys | most modern dynamic languages use dict lookups |
| 00:26.15 | Adys | SqueeG: elseifs are efficient, just not always maintainable |
| 00:26.35 | Adys | the difference is abysmally insignificant. |
| 00:27.14 | SqueeG | but for onevent? |
| 00:27.56 | Adys | it's not a hit on performance |
| 00:28.01 | SqueeG | huh |
| 00:28.03 | Adys | it's a hit on maintainability, readability |
| 00:28.11 | SqueeG | it's not that hard to read |
| 00:28.23 | SqueeG | because it refers back to functions on each event |
| 00:28.43 | Adys | common practice is to have an onevent lookup to a table |
| 00:29.04 | Adys | where you define your functions eg. MyEvents:PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD |
| 00:30.38 | SqueeG | I was just browsint auditor2, looking for a way to tighten it up a little |
| 00:31.37 | SqueeG | I was just surprised by the large chunk of if elseif elseif ... |
| 00:33.14 | Adys | it's unusual, not common practice, but does not hit on "efficiency" which was your original question |
| 00:33.18 | SqueeG | yea |
| 00:33.33 | SqueeG | the only thing that bugged me was the delay before my greys sold |
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| 00:33.54 | SqueeG | it's a lot more noticable than what I used before, was just looking for why |
| 00:34.57 | SqueeG | which eventually led, through a comical adventure, to that question |
| 00:35.30 | Adys | you sure it's not just lag? |
| 00:35.47 | SqueeG | it's consistent |
| 00:36.02 | SqueeG | It's just a pet peeve though :p |
| 00:37.22 | Adys | unless it has some timer calls or shit like that, odds are it's lag |
| 00:37.27 | Thunder_Child | "Justin Bieber uses 3% of Twitter resources at any moment." i am le sad |
| 00:37.44 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: and 1% of irc resources thanks to you. |
| 00:37.55 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: i hope it isnt that much |
| 00:38.07 | Jerub | it wasn't until you forced it to! |
| 00:38.41 | Thunder_Child | that means there is .9% more things on IRC talking about him |
| 00:38.44 | Thunder_Child | as well |
| 00:39.27 | Jerub | # Nom Nom Nom has been renamed to Feast of Flesh. DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! DAMN YOU! |
| 00:40.10 | SqueeG | what was nom nom nom? |
| 00:40.23 | Adys | !api quest_log |
| 00:40.23 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'quest_log': UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED, QUEST_LOG_UPDATE |
| 00:40.35 | Jerub | SqueeG: uh, makes ferocious bite crit moar when target just about to die i think. |
| 00:40.37 | Adys | SqueeG: druid talent |
| 00:40.43 | Jerub | SqueeG: kitty talent. |
| 00:40.52 | SqueeG | xD |
| 00:40.55 | Adys | SqueeG: feral talent |
| 00:41.27 | Jerub | Feral kitty specifically. |
| 00:41.27 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 00:41.43 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 23h 27m 33s ago, saying: 'so is my theory correct in that GetItemInfo in the beta is subject to the same dynamic loading as the rest of the client?'. |
| 00:41.43 | Jerub | it's not one of those dual use bear/kitty ones |
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| 01:06.35 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/09/broadcom-announces-official-open-source-drivers-for-linux.ars |
| 01:06.38 | Adys | Open drivers done right |
| 01:08.05 | Thunder_Child | yet they were the same people that made a nic (new no less) that couldnt be detected by anything w/o the drivers |
| 01:10.24 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 01:10.25 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/5262/ |
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| 01:29.58 | Waky_ | Herro |
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| 01:33.58 | Waky_ | Yay Seerah! |
| 01:34.06 | Waky_ | You have a +o next to your name! |
| 01:34.15 | Seerah | what's up? |
| 01:34.21 | Waky_ | Noboy's talking :( |
| 01:34.24 | Waky_ | Nobody* |
| 01:34.30 | kd3 | we're playing with the new beta build |
| 01:34.31 | Jerub | yes they are. |
| 01:34.32 | Jerub | you are. |
| 01:34.44 | Seerah | ah - they may be sleeping, raiding, or - as kd3 said, on beta exploring :) |
| 01:34.48 | Waky_ | lol |
| 01:34.56 | Jerub | or, in my case, at work. |
| 01:34.58 | Seerah | new build? |
| 01:35.02 | Seerah | yes, or work! |
| 01:35.03 | Waky_ | I signed up at Curse first then found WoWUI so I don't have a beta key |
| 01:35.17 | Waky_ | Curse has stricter beta key give-out rules |
| 01:35.17 | Thunder_Child | you are not missing much |
| 01:35.21 | Seerah | (just for future reference, WoWI and WoWUI are two different sites :) ) |
| 01:35.31 | Waky_ | Did I say WoWUI? |
| 01:35.35 | Waky_ | I meant WoWI lol |
| 01:35.38 | Seerah | :D |
| 01:35.40 | Thunder_Child | WoWUI is much cooler though |
| 01:35.44 | Waky_ | Pfft |
| 01:35.52 | Seerah | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 01:35.52 | purl | stamps Thunder_Child on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 01:35.54 | Thunder_Child | Pfft yourself |
| 01:35.55 | kd3 | gotta get those keyloggers somehow |
| 01:35.59 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Seerah |
| 01:35.59 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Seerah's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
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| 01:36.29 | Waky_ | lol |
| 01:36.47 | Waky_ | Seems we got ~5 people talking now lol |
| 01:36.48 | Dagmar | kd3: Ah just send them with the subject line "Here you have". That way everyone will f**king click on it. |
| 01:36.58 | kd3 | lmao |
| 01:36.59 | Motig | 6! |
| 01:37.02 | Waky_ | Wewt |
| 01:37.05 | kd3 | I thought we were back in the 90s when I saw that |
| 01:37.08 | Dagmar | >2000 people stupid enough to download it, 600 dumb enough to double-click it. |
| 01:37.24 | Waky_ | lmao |
| 01:37.29 | Waky_ | Kaspersky. |
| 01:37.43 | Dagmar | I saw my mail client start scrolling at work and said "Whoops. Nevermind that, looks like we have a virus on the network" |
| 01:37.53 | Dagmar | Waky_: Way to fail at pretending to know something. |
| 01:38.00 | Waky_ | Say wha? |
| 01:38.17 | Dagmar | Blacklist scanners seldom catch new viruses. |
| 01:38.34 | Thunder_Child | i pretend to know nothing...for some reason my boss seems to dislike this |
| 01:38.48 | Waky_ | I never said anything about blacklists lol |
| 01:38.50 | Dagmar | If the guy who put this one out hadn't been a complete tard it might have taken me more than an hour to completely take it apart... and I suck at deciphering WMI coding |
| 01:38.50 | Waky_ | I just said Kaspersky |
| 01:39.41 | Dagmar | It won't help. |
| 01:41.03 | Waky_ | I like WoWI much better than Curse or WoWAce =/ |
| 01:41.10 | Dagmar | It might clear a machine of the thing _now_ but this afternoon when it went out, the only thing spotting it was mail server admins going "WTF is with the load?" |
| 01:41.52 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding about the thing being written mainly in *Visual Basic*. |
| 01:41.59 | Waky_ | Idk, Kaspersky gets angry when I play games that send and receive a bunch of crap |
| 01:42.14 | Dagmar | I fed it throug GNU strings and my jaw dropped. They didn't even bother to UPX it |
| 01:42.29 | Waky_ | lol |
| 01:43.05 | Dagmar | Waky: Before it sends emails it walks whatever it can see in the workgroup WORKGROUP and then tries to copy itself into anything writeable |
| 01:43.20 | Dagmar | GOd forbid someone with admin privs fell pray to it |
| 01:43.23 | Waky_ | D: |
| 01:43.40 | Dagmar | Yeah, really, really crude work, but it made a big enough mess |
| 01:45.08 | SqueeG | is blizzard planning on chaning the RealID name situation? |
| 01:45.25 | Waky_ | I need some good music to listen to |
| 01:46.00 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.16 | Seerah | SqueeG: ? |
| 01:46.28 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.35 | SqueeG | like... are they going to allow alias's or something? |
| 01:46.50 | Dagmar | SqueeG: I doubt we'll get that |
| 01:46.51 | Seerah | there's an addon that does that |
| 01:46.52 | SqueeG | the whole set up is kind of.... bothersome |
| 01:47.01 | kd3 | then don't realID friend people |
| 01:47.04 | Dagmar | Seerah: There is? Cool |
| 01:47.11 | SqueeG | i hadn't realized you can see all the friends of your realID friends |
| 01:47.27 | Waky_ | Yea it's kinda creepy lmao |
| 01:47.41 | SqueeG | kd3: there's no reason to force a person's whole name to begin with, a handle works just as well |
| 01:47.51 | kd3 | take that up with blizz |
| 01:48.05 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 01:48.08 | DWSR | Handles would be alright. |
| 01:48.11 | SqueeG | ./facepalm |
| 01:48.13 | DWSR | But I think that disrection is much better |
| 01:48.19 | DWSR | To be honest "Don't hold it like that" |
| 01:48.35 | SqueeG | I was just wondering if they were actually planning on doing something, since so many people were bitching about it |
| 01:49.02 | DWSR | I hope not. |
| 01:49.03 | Waky_ | I really haven't heard many people complain about it |
| 01:49.07 | DWSR | RealID with handles is not RealID |
| 01:49.09 | DWSR | It's FakeID |
| 01:49.12 | DWSR | Which is illegal. |
| 01:49.16 | DWSR | cwutididthar? |
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| 01:49.43 | SqueeG | har har :p |
| 01:50.03 | Waky_ | lol |
| 01:50.12 | SqueeG | eh, just ruins the premise a tad for me |
| 01:50.28 | SqueeG | I was all excited when I found out that there was going to be cross realm/cross game chat |
| 01:50.53 | SqueeG | Forcing us to use our real names tainted the enthusiasm |
| 01:50.54 | Xyphoid | the lack of an invisible mode is the dealbreaker for me |
| 01:51.05 | Shirik | anyone have any recommendations for a Windows VPS? |
| 01:51.19 | DWSR | Yes: Don't. |
| 01:51.28 | Shirik | any second recommendations? |
| 01:51.28 | DWSR | What Xyphoid said. |
| 01:51.33 | DWSR | Shirik: Really don't. |
| 01:51.34 | Xyphoid | i want to be able to play alts without showing up as online, basically |
| 01:51.37 | Shirik | really that's not an option |
| 01:51.46 | DWSR | What are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 01:51.52 | SqueeG | that too |
| 01:51.55 | DWSR | Windows hates Virtualization, btw? |
| 01:51.57 | Wobin | He's trying to run a Windows VPS |
| 01:51.58 | SqueeG | I had the same thought last night |
| 01:52.06 | DWSR | s/?// |
| 01:52.12 | SqueeG | I just wanted to log on and screw around with some addons, with out needing to deal with people :p |
| 01:52.53 | DWSR | So develop an addon that disables all your chat channels and auto-responds to DMs with "Fuck off, addon development" |
| 01:53.01 | SqueeG | xD |
| 01:53.10 | Waky_ | That's a good one lol |
| 01:53.33 | Shirik | DWSR: Microsoft makes virtualization software |
| 01:54.38 | DWSR | Shirik: Properly virtualized Windows is /ok/. |
| 01:54.45 | Shirik | I don't need anything amazing |
| 01:54.50 | Shirik | just functional |
| 01:54.55 | DWSR | Yeah, don't run that shit inside of a vbox though |
| 01:54.58 | DWSR | Shirik: What do you need it for? |
| 01:55.03 | Shirik | a build server |
| 01:55.19 | DWSR | Just do VirtualBox and a slip'ed install of Windows. |
| 01:55.28 | Shirik | on what |
| 01:55.34 | Shirik | a linux box that doesn't even run X? |
| 01:55.49 | DWSR | ah. |
| 01:55.54 | DWSR | Actually, sure, why not? |
| 01:55.58 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:56.13 | DWSR | What are you trying to build? |
| 01:56.16 | Shirik | I'm not going to run Windows on something with less than 1GB of RAM (most of which is already used) |
| 01:56.20 | Shirik | software I write |
| 01:56.22 | Shirik | well my team writes |
| 02:02.57 | DWSR | well. |
| 02:03.16 | Waky_ | Well. |
| 02:03.31 | DWSR | Inside of a vbox is probably the easiest thing to do. |
| 02:03.54 | DWSR | Could you not compile under Wine? |
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| 02:10.13 | Thunder_Child | you could do headless mode |
| 02:17.24 | Shirik | compiling under wine is not the same thing |
| 02:19.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: dual boot? |
| 02:20.03 | Shirik | ? |
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| 02:20.49 | bluspacecow | so i ask someone to change their nick so they don't have this generic miblle nick |
| 02:20.57 | bluspacecow | and he say CBF then logs off |
| 02:20.58 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:21.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: have both windows and linux dual booting on your system |
| 02:21.29 | Shirik | that doesn't really solve my problem |
| 02:21.49 | Thunder_Child | actually i cant seem to find your problem |
| 02:21.54 | Thunder_Child | i scrolled up |
| 02:22.14 | Shirik | (18:54:54) (@Shirik) a build server |
| 02:22.36 | Thunder_Child | thats not a problem |
| 02:22.41 | Thunder_Child | thats a statement |
| 02:22.52 | Thunder_Child | actually a problem can be a statment |
| 02:23.39 | Shirik | (18:54:48) (DWSR) Shirik: What do you need it for? |
| 02:23.39 | Shirik | (18:54:54) (@Shirik) a build server |
| 02:24.27 | Dagmar | Compiling... under Wine... |
| 02:24.29 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
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| 03:00.26 | airtonix | anything windows makes me rage |
| 03:04.14 | Thunder_Child | rage on mac duff |
| 03:04.34 | Thunder_Child | macduff* |
| 03:04.41 | airtonix | today im going to play windows live |
| 03:20.03 | kd3 | wtf |
| 03:20.10 | kd3 | fark: "Neighborhood in San Bruno, California, near San Francisco International Airport, just blew up. Here's live video " |
| 03:20.20 | kd3 | http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=7659504 |
| 03:20.26 | Thunder_Child | crashed plane i assume |
| 03:20.31 | Thunder_Child | since they said it that way |
| 03:21.50 | kd3 | thinking nat gas line explosion |
| 03:22.09 | Yssaril | kd3: whats the eta on the diff? |
| 03:22.14 | Thunder_Child | or it could be the asteroid thats supposed to come in at some point |
| 03:22.15 | kd3 | it's already out |
| 03:22.20 | kd3 | sent it a few hours back |
| 03:23.20 | Yssaril | kd3: AHHH went into my spam folder for some reason :P |
| 03:23.47 | Motig | looks like a very big fire |
| 03:25.06 | kd3 | sigh. people are tagging it as spam still |
| 03:26.18 | Thunder_Child | tagges kd3 as spam |
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| 03:29.03 | Amarande | sooo ... 10/12 already and we have all saturday night for sindy and LK |
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| 03:58.45 | Dagmar | Oh holy shit are those the "ticky-tacky houses" burning? |
| 03:59.13 | Motig | how fare have you gotten with sindy Amarande |
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| 04:25.53 | kd3 | huh, they readded the line between duskwood and deadwind pass |
| 04:26.03 | kd3 | last build: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100902040449/wowwiki/images/archive/e/eb/20100910003014!WorldMap-Azeroth-cata.jpg |
| 04:26.10 | kd3 | this build: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100910003016/wowwiki/images/e/eb/WorldMap-Azeroth-cata.jpg |
| 04:29.41 | Duman | heh |
| 04:29.42 | Yssaril | anyone figure out what they are doing with the secure enviroment? |
| 04:31.52 | the-golem | was there a netsplit? |
| 04:32.41 | Yssaril | nope |
| 04:33.37 | the-golem | Odd, my screen is only showing 5 people |
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| 04:34.01 | the-golem | fixed it ^^ |
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| 04:38.35 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5633459/microsofts-legal-team-slays-botnets seems odd |
| 04:40.41 | Yssaril | lol http://gizmodo.com/5634490/authorities-blow-up-270-high+tech-toy-pony-after-it-causes-a-bomb-scare |
| 04:45.44 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/92148/scepter-of-azaqir/ |
| 04:46.00 | Jerub | "Ultramarine Qiraji Battletank" |
| 04:48.04 | Yssaril | bug mounts outside of bugcity? |
| 04:49.00 | Jerub | it's also an epic |
| 04:49.15 | Jerub | the original bug mount was an epic iirc |
| 04:49.53 | kd3 | er, legendary |
| 04:50.03 | kd3 | also... |
| 04:50.15 | Jerub | legendary was it? |
| 04:50.19 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:50.27 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cataclysm_map_comparison#Southern_Kalimdor |
| 04:50.34 | Yssaril | they should really just let us use the bug mounts like normal mounts |
| 04:50.34 | kd3 | added this build, the overworld version of AQ |
| 04:51.17 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Qiraji_Resonating_Crystal |
| 04:51.55 | Yssaril | kd3: shouldn't the Ahn'Qiraj be in the After slot rather than before? |
| 04:52.37 | kd3 | meh. it's just there temporarily until the servers come back up. last build there was nothing there in the overworld copy of the instance |
| 04:52.54 | kd3 | if there is actually stuff there, it'll go in the "new zones" section up top |
| 04:53.18 | Jerub | is AQ disappearing as a raid too? |
| 04:53.21 | kd3 | no |
| 04:53.22 | Jerub | or does the instance remain? |
| 04:53.38 | kd3 | the instance is still there (it's in the old-world-raiding guild achievement) |
| 04:53.50 | Xyphoid | zg is the only old raid instance going at this point right? |
| 04:54.01 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:02.42 | Yssaril | kd3 did you notice if they added any more instance maps (say for BC instances) |
| 05:02.53 | kd3 | nope |
| 05:03.43 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Log/upload?user=Kaydeethree |
| 05:04.12 | kd3 | (almost) everything updated in 12942 is there |
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| 05:23.49 | kd3 | eesh. big tools patch |
| 05:28.33 | Yssaril | kd3: what is a tools patch anyways? |
| 05:28.38 | kd3 | the launcher |
| 05:28.42 | Yssaril | ic |
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| 05:52.31 | tem | Oh reddit, you slay me |
| 05:52.32 | tem | http://imgur.com/EduaO |
| 05:52.36 | tem | ... in bed |
| 05:53.17 | Jerub | :D |
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| 05:58.06 | Adys | kd3: you managed to login? |
| 05:58.16 | Adys | kd3: if not, see http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24332 |
| 05:59.47 | Cairenn | errrr, you guys talking about beta or live? |
| 06:00.16 | Adys | beta Cairenn |
| 06:00.28 | Cairenn | I don't see the servers as being up yet |
| 06:00.30 | Adys | and by login I mean "open wow" |
| 06:00.35 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 06:00.37 | Adys | cf bug report ;) |
| 06:00.49 | Corrodias | downloads VLC to see what it is like! |
| 06:00.58 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn before he goes to bed. |
| 06:01.02 | Amarande | yay, finally replaced one of my 232 weapons with a 264 heroic |
| 06:01.07 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 06:01.17 | Amarande | Cairenn, when did you join the Burning Legion? :( |
| 06:01.30 | Cairenn | I've been playing it all along |
| 06:01.33 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 06:01.36 | Amarande | I thought you were sweet and wonderful :) |
| 06:01.37 | Sargeras | we have ice cream, tshirts, and bumper stickets |
| 06:01.39 | Cairenn | just hiding |
| 06:01.41 | Sargeras | stickers |
| 06:01.43 | Amarande | And evil, though, apparently. |
| 06:01.44 | Amarande | LOL |
| 06:01.50 | Fisker | don't talk to that Sargeras guy |
| 06:01.52 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:01.53 | Fisker | he's a complete jerk |
| 06:02.06 | Sargeras | I'm seeing a therapist |
| 06:02.07 | Cairenn | he's a sweetie and better be at BC so I can get hugs! |
| 06:02.18 | Amarande | so, according to wowprogress, I'm apparently the #322 top geared death knight on Turalyon. :) |
| 06:02.29 | Fisker | yeah Sargeras? That still doesn't excuse you from creating the burning legion |
| 06:02.44 | Sargeras | Hey, I had a bad millennia |
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| 06:03.08 | Amarande | btw, how many of you think that Sargeras will be the very very very very very very final raid boss in WoW before Blizzard stops releasing new content? |
| 06:03.12 | Sargeras | and the Pantheon doesnt necessary have a good dental plan |
| 06:03.16 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised if he is. |
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| 06:03.48 | Corrodias | nah, they'll kill him off earlier than that |
| 06:03.56 | Sargeras | I hope Dolby is out pimping his new ride |
| 06:04.02 | Corrodias | in a fight you don't actually participate directly in |
| 06:04.11 | Amarande | Corrodias: heh, yeah, probably in the expansion that finally features the Dream |
| 06:04.29 | Cairenn | I hope he's sleeping :p |
| 06:04.30 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised to see him as part of a fight where you get Ysera as a major participant, at the least |
| 06:04.36 | Sargeras | I should be |
| 06:04.38 | Sargeras | night! |
| 06:04.41 | Cairenn | night |
| 06:04.53 | Sargeras | remind me the next time I see you that I have some info about BC |
| 06:04.54 | Amarande | I wonder when we're going to get that expansion |
| 06:05.02 | Amarande | think the Dream will be the 90 expansion, or the 95? |
| 06:05.16 | Sargeras | 126.4 |
| 06:05.20 | Sargeras | I can see the future |
| 06:05.24 | Amarande | what I do know is that WotLK may be my last dance as a DPS DK outside of raids |
| 06:05.42 | Amarande | from what I'm hearing of Cata, it's probably a really good idea to go full-on tank there |
| 06:06.02 | Amarande | the solo content is apparently *crushing* for anyone but a tank (although I wouldn't be surprised if they nerf it for release) |
| 06:06.31 | Amarande | and the 5-mans with their regained emphasis on CC? DKs probably won't be too welcomed as DPS given that theirs isn't nearly so good as other classes' |
| 06:06.40 | Amarande | let's see, we can interrupt and we can slow, that's about it |
| 06:06.41 | Dagmar | drools. |
| 06:07.12 | Amarande | I'll be keeping the dual spec of Frost DPS and Blood Tank, ultimately though |
| 06:07.20 | Dagmar | Amarande: Dude, as usual, I think you're putting way too much weight on too narrow an aspect |
| 06:07.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: plus the fact that stuff will probably be nerfed :) |
| 06:07.52 | Amarande | in particular, too many people will complain if some classes require you to be a god to solo with them |
| 06:07.59 | Amarande | if they wanted a game like that they'd have played EQ or FFXI |
| 06:08.03 | Dagmar | Only a few times, even during BC, did people give me shit about being beastmastery spec when they weren't a gibbering idiot, or needed something very specific that BM didn't have (replenishment) |
| 06:08.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: Pfft. You didn't play EQ did you |
| 06:08.24 | Amarande | plus, even the 5-mans may have to be nerfed to the point where CC is a noticeable plus, but not really required |
| 06:08.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: only for a half hour or so :) |
| 06:08.37 | Dagmar | That's probably for the best |
| 06:08.39 | Amarande | the thing that occurs to me about the 5-man balance is the dungeon finder |
| 06:08.55 | Amarande | unless they're going to get rid of the dungeon finder, or require people to massively outgear heroics to be able to DF them |
| 06:08.56 | Dagmar | EQ _started out_ with just about everyone being able to solo anything but dungeons... IF they were careful |
| 06:09.12 | Amarande | they're going to need to ratchet back almost all the need for specific CC |
| 06:09.17 | Dagmar | It was all those histrionic cries on the forums that made Sony start nerfing classes to death |
| 06:09.25 | Amarande | because with the DF, the dungeons need to be able to handle any random combination of DPS classes |
| 06:09.34 | Dagmar | "Wizards can almost one-shot me!" |
| 06:09.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like how WoW classes get nerfed in PvE because of PvP QQ? |
| 06:09.55 | Dagmar | Proper response: "Well fucking run up and shield bash him you dumbass. Don't let him FINISH casting Ice Comet." |
| 06:10.04 | Dagmar | Sony's response: Half damage. |
| 06:10.18 | Amarande | Although I've always thought that in WoW's case specifically, the PvP balance thing also may have a legal as well as a business aspect now |
| 06:10.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but generally Blizz has shown incredible sophistication about reducing the impact of that |
| 06:10.47 | Amarande | specifically, the fact that the arena tournaments take cash entry fees and give cash prizes, so Blizzard needs to ensure that the arena tournaments cannot be considered a game of chance in order to avoid gambling legal issues |
| 06:11.14 | Dagmar | I mean I was a little beefed about Bestial Wrath getting the industrial nerf-bat, but they managed to avoid _breaking_ it, and then about a month later they made another change that made that difference disappear |
| 06:11.29 | Dagmar | Blizz is never "one step forward and two steps back". |
| 06:11.31 | Amarande | I've actually never tried BM on a hunter |
| 06:11.42 | Amarande | the one time I played a hunter seriously, I did so as MM |
| 06:11.50 | Dagmar | After five years the worst they've been has been two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward again |
| 06:12.01 | Amarande | yeah, they've done a pretty good job with WoW |
| 06:12.07 | Amarande | although there's always the few niggling details |
| 06:12.29 | Amarande | generally a matter of "we had to balance this" leading to "we broke this other obscure thing by mistake" |
| 06:12.36 | Amarande | I think that may be one of the greater sorces of worry in Cata |
| 06:12.53 | Amarande | whether people are going to start having trouble with routine 1-80 questing in particular due to cata mechanics changes |
| 06:13.02 | Dagmar | By comparison, did you know that in EverQuest any spell a wizard cast, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE A WIZARD had a "mega-taunt" component |
| 06:13.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: ouch |
| 06:13.15 | Amarande | sounds like warlocks at one point, though |
| 06:13.20 | Dagmar | What this meant was that *any* spell you cast, had a chance to get you aggro |
| 06:13.28 | Amarande | I remember at one point on my lock that I seemed to generate WAY more threat than I ought to have for the DPS I was doing |
| 06:13.43 | Amarande | granted as aff you do have the siphon life healing component |
| 06:13.44 | Torhal | Dagmar: I liked the whole "Hey, you're sitting down so you now have a lower aggro threshhold" |
| 06:13.53 | Dagmar | I had a *stick* call Something of the Elements, and it was basically just for pulling. It was instant-cast and put a -5% elemental resistance debuff on the target |
| 06:13.55 | Amarande | but that shouldn't be of much more consequence than, say, the DK blood presence healing component |
| 06:14.20 | Dagmar | I could be standing in an area where people were fighting, someone would run by fleeing, and I could zap the mob with that stick JUST FOUR TIMES and be virtually guaraneed to take aggo |
| 06:14.28 | Torhal | Low lever mobs attacking high level toons just because they sat down. Awesome. |
| 06:14.31 | Amarande | dammit itunes, I put you on shuffle, you've played springsteen like the last THREE SONGS in a row |
| 06:14.32 | Dagmar | You have NO idea how cool that mechanic is when you try to raid. |
| 06:14.45 | Dagmar | Torhal: Free licks. You know you'd do the same. ;) |
| 06:14.53 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:15.12 | Amarande | I do have issues with pulling aggro regularly in heroics, too now |
| 06:15.16 | Amarande | but that's more a gear disparity issue |
| 06:15.19 | Dagmar | Plus, you're pretty damn vulnerable sitting on your ass |
| 06:15.24 | Amarande | tanks in a lot of heroic randoms just don't have the gear to keep up with my ICC geared ass |
| 06:15.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but the fact is that you *can* control it |
| 06:15.39 | Amarande | thankfully as a DK I wear plate, and can probably tank most heroics anyway |
| 06:15.59 | Amarande | I'm still very much tempted to queue as tank on heroics as soon as I'm locked out of all ICC5 and TOC5 for the day |
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| 06:16.05 | Dagmar | Dude I had a turtle in EQ hit me so hard one night I filed a complaint with the GMs |
| 06:16.20 | Amarande | hell, I could possibly even tank FoS and PoS |
| 06:16.25 | Amarande | in DPS gear |
| 06:16.36 | Dagmar | Quarduple hit for like 900-1100 a pop, then again, then AGAIN... Before I'd gotten a spell off. |
| 06:16.37 | Dagmar | I was dead. |
| 06:16.42 | Dagmar | THE FUCKER HIT ME AGAIN |
| 06:16.48 | Amarande | I did tell you before ... after the tank went down on Tyrannus heroic once ... I popped frost and ran dark command almost on instinct |
| 06:16.58 | Corrodias | serves yo uright for fucking around with turtles |
| 06:17.07 | Amarande | and 4-man, with a DPS trying to tank, we came within omg just such a little whisker of recovering from losing the proper tank ... |
| 06:17.14 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Dude all I did was walk by and wonder what he was doing there |
| 06:17.21 | Amarande | think it was down to about 80-90k when we finally wiped |
| 06:17.27 | Corrodias | :D |
| 06:17.39 | Amarande | If we'd had everyone, I'm sure I actually *would* have pulled it off |
| 06:18.03 | Dagmar | Seriously. I'm walking on a beach, I see a giant turtle, I think... Neat! Let's see how nifty he is... then WHAMWHAMWHAM |
| 06:18.27 | Corrodias | that's a fuckin' ninja turtle |
| 06:18.39 | Dagmar | A ninja has a sense of honor |
| 06:19.00 | Dagmar | Hitting me for another quarduple attack _after I'm very dead_ was not an honorable thing. |
| 06:19.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, sounds like the Concherer boss in FFX-2 |
| 06:19.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: WTF is with their idea of crafting skills anyway |
| 06:20.10 | Dagmar | I fish. I catch some fish. I go buy a frying pan and a filet knife. |
| 06:20.18 | Amarande | Oh god Concherer. I'm still not sure how they expected you to beat it without using the catnip trick (especially since they nerfed the catnip in the international version, too, so I'm sure they expected you to) |
| 06:20.19 | Dagmar | I think, cool... I'll cook some fish. |
| 06:20.31 | Dagmar | Somehow, frying the fish turns it into "Sea Sand". |
| 06:20.41 | Dagmar | I fry the other type of fish I caught, same thing. |
| 06:21.03 | Amarande | After the first 59 levels of Via Infinito being relatively tame (apart from the fact that you have to kill Black Element QUICKLY or he'll wipe you, and the fact that you need to know the trick for Elder Drakes or those will wipe you, too) |
| 06:21.13 | Amarande | you hit level 60, where of course there's a boss (there's a boss every 20, there) |
| 06:21.13 | Dagmar | You take a squirrel, three inches of duct tape, two pearls, and a ham sandwich, put them in a box for five minutes in FF games, and they turn into Gladius |
| 06:21.21 | Dagmar | What kinda madness makes people do that? |
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| 06:22.05 | Amarande | you run into Concherer ... who has ... about 340,000 HP, ridiculous amounts of defense, is actually pretty FAST for something that looks like a giant shelled snurtle, and has an attack that hits for over sixty THOUSAND damage (note that normally you won't have more than about 5000 HP in any reasonable configuration in this game) ... |
| 06:22.15 | Amarande | sure, it only hits one, but still ... :| |
| 06:22.28 | Amarande | Oh, and it gets *worse* from there, btw. :) |
| 06:22.29 | Dagmar | You have phoenix down. |
| 06:22.43 | Dagmar | In EQ, if the turtle kills you, you still have to go back for your stuff. |
| 06:22.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: i think we all understand how insane EQ is. |
| 06:22.55 | Dagmar | ...which means the turtle will probably get you a few times more. |
| 06:23.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: in FFX-2, if the snurtle kills you, you have to reload your saved game which is outside of the *dungeon*. |
| 06:23.11 | Amarande | I did say this guy was sixty levels deep? |
| 06:23.15 | Dagmar | Do you keep your _stuff_? |
| 06:23.21 | Amarande | Only what you had when you saved last. |
| 06:23.33 | Dagmar | Yeah see, in EQ, you got a loincloth. |
| 06:23.40 | Amarande | It's the usual PS2 Game Over situation. |
| 06:23.58 | Dagmar | There should be a penalty for dying to something that's gone to a lot of trouble to avoid you |
| 06:24.06 | Dagmar | Getting punted out doesn't seem that off the mark |
| 06:24.15 | tem | I Can't Hear You Over the Sound of How Awesome I Am - Defeat Sinestra in the Bastion of Twilight on Heroic difficulty on the first attempt without letting any raid members die. |
| 06:24.18 | tem | WTF blizzard |
| 06:24.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, there is. it's called you have to repeat, at the very least, the twenty previous levels of the dungeon. |
| 06:24.22 | tem | I thought we talked about this |
| 06:24.26 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 06:24.30 | Jerub | tem: ? |
| 06:24.32 | tem | I thought we all agreed these achievements are not good |
| 06:24.35 | tem | not good at all. |
| 06:24.43 | Jerub | oh, the 'on the first attempt' ? |
| 06:24.53 | Amarande | tem: by 'on the first attempt' you mean during that raid lockout period or *ever*? |
| 06:25.04 | tem | raid lockout surely |
| 06:25.08 | Dagmar | If it's the very first first attempt, I'll still try it |
| 06:25.17 | Amarande | tem: is that really any different than the TOGC achievements then? |
| 06:25.25 | Dagmar | ...but it would seem a little unreasonable |
| 06:25.35 | tem | it's equivalent to He Feeds on your Tears |
| 06:25.42 | Amarande | it sounds like a combination of aspects of Undying and Tribute to Insanity |
| 06:25.44 | tem | perhaps it has no reward |
| 06:25.51 | tem | which would make it okay |
| 06:25.55 | Amarande | although I do think that achievements that are THAT hard |
| 06:26.00 | Amarande | should really be worth more than the standard ten points |
| 06:26.07 | Amarande | they could have done so much with the achievement point system, but they didn't |
| 06:26.11 | Dagmar | We also have alts and they know it |
| 06:26.18 | Amarande | like, made the points actually proportional to the difficulty of the achievement |
| 06:26.32 | Amarande | for instance: The Light of Dawn achievement, perhaps one of the three hardest in the game right now, is worth TEN POINTS. |
| 06:26.51 | Amarande | (the other ones being, of course, A Tribute to Insanity (25 player) and Alone in the Dark (25 player)) |
| 06:27.07 | tem | Amarande, The Light of Dawn is worth like 75 points |
| 06:27.15 | Amarande | since it seems to be currently regarded that the three hardest raid fights right now are LK25H, Anub25H, and Yogg25+0 |
| 06:27.17 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:27.26 | tem | because you get the ICC achievements with it |
| 06:27.33 | Amarande | tem: I mean that achievement by itself, anyways |
| 06:27.40 | tem | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&cn=Doloros |
| 06:27.44 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/791/ |
| 06:27.45 | Amarande | also, can you get The Light of Dawn on your first LK25 kill if it is heroic? |
| 06:27.47 | Adys | ahahah |
| 06:27.50 | tem | er |
| 06:27.52 | Amarande | or do you have to do it twice even if that is the case? |
| 06:28.05 | Jerub | togc is so hard :( |
| 06:28.06 | Amarande | since it's considered a chained achievement, so the first time you only get KS even if you did do it on heroic? |
| 06:28.13 | Jerub | i was with a good group last night |
| 06:28.17 | Jerub | 35% on jaraxxus togc10 |
| 06:28.21 | tem | btw |
| 06:28.25 | tem | LoD is worth 20 points |
| 06:28.31 | Dagmar | Jerub: It's kinda a fun place tho |
| 06:28.36 | tem | go to my achievements |
| 06:28.41 | Jerub | Dagmar: tbh, i prefer wiping in togc to wiping in icc |
| 06:28.43 | Amarande | I *do* know that achievements don't necessarily need to be visible on the achievement panel to be obtained |
| 06:28.44 | Dagmar | Those kobolds *still* annoy the shit out of me |
| 06:28.46 | tem | and click on Fall of the Lich King 25-player |
| 06:28.51 | Amarande | e.g., ALL feats of strength, for instance |
| 06:28.58 | Amarande | but I don't know if you can go directly from not having 25 KS at all to having LoD |
| 06:29.08 | Amarande | even if you do beat him the first time on heroic (quite possible, depending on the raid) |
| 06:29.27 | tem | Light of Dawn is what you get when you kill HLK |
| 06:29.31 | tem | that's just all there is to it |
| 06:29.35 | Amarande | hell, there's already ICC fights most people never see on normal (*cough* gunship, which people only EVER do on normal if they don't have access to a KS to make the switch) |
| 06:29.40 | tem | even if you've never killed LK on normal mode |
| 06:29.45 | Amarande | tem: are you in beta, btw? |
| 06:29.50 | tem | yeah |
| 06:29.56 | Dagmar | Amarande: This will make you laugh |
| 06:30.04 | Amarande | tem: are the LK raid titles still available at 85, or are they going away in 4.0 like the BC ones did in 3.0? |
| 06:30.06 | Dagmar | EVERY time I've been in there we've forgotten about that |
| 06:30.12 | tem | no idea |
| 06:30.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: about what? |
| 06:30.17 | Corrodias | oh my. http://xkcd.com/788/ |
| 06:30.26 | tem | ICC is currently not available to characters that aren't level 80 |
| 06:30.30 | Corrodias | would play, as long as rockstar was not involved |
| 06:30.31 | Dagmar | Being able to flip over to hard mode for Loot Ship Lollipop |
| 06:30.37 | Amarande | tem: if they're being removed, they'd probably not show as gettable in your achievement panel :) |
| 06:30.41 | Amarande | wait, you can't enter ICC after you ding 81? |
| 06:30.57 | tem | it's a bug |
| 06:30.58 | tem | but yeah |
| 06:31.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm glad we did. |
| 06:31.10 | Amarande | since I have a heroic 1H axe from gunship 10 now |
| 06:31.10 | Dagmar | I think they don't want beta people spending all their time in their roflstomping bosses with massive upgrades |
| 06:31.16 | Amarande | finally got rid of one of the 232 weapons |
| 06:31.30 | Amarande | actually, there are some fights that actually may develop NEW tactical issues at 85 to deal with |
| 06:31.35 | Amarande | Sindragosa, in particular comes to mind |
| 06:31.43 | Jerub | delicious sindy |
| 06:31.50 | Amarande | there is a lot of talk that Sindy will never ever iceblock anyone at 85 |
| 06:32.08 | Jerub | Amarande: uh wat? |
| 06:32.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: We just get excited about the rocket packs and forget ourselves. Last time we had two KS in the group |
| 06:32.12 | Amarande | which leads to a lot of healing issues since everyone will be hit by all four ice bombs and there is almost no way to keep the stacks cleared in P2 |
| 06:32.16 | Jerub | Amarande: where would that talk be generated by? |
| 06:32.30 | Amarande | Jerub: it appears to be the common belief that whether Sindy will target someone for iceblock is based on their max HP |
| 06:32.34 | tem | Amarande, were you dropped on your head as a baby? |
| 06:32.36 | Amarande | which is why she won't target tanks |
| 06:32.47 | tem | no. |
| 06:32.49 | Jerub | Amarande: no one can do the raid at 81+ so uh. that's insane. unless it comes up in a blue post, then it's cracktalk. |
| 06:32.50 | Amarande | trouble at 85 is with gear as expected, *everyone* will meet that threshold ... |
| 06:32.53 | tem | it's a talent check |
| 06:33.12 | Amarande | tem: wow, I didn't think the AI would be that smart :) |
| 06:33.21 | Amarande | especially given how downright *dumb* it gets at points |
| 06:33.28 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 06:33.29 | Amarande | like when warlocks get mind controlled (or are just elite mobs) |
| 06:33.56 | Amarande | all they do is stand there and cast rain of fire, and won't even stop casting if everyone moves out of it |
| 06:34.08 | Amarande | I commented on that after lana'thel tonight |
| 06:34.19 | Amarande | me and the warlock were both trying to bite the same person, and I got mine in and he failed and got MC'd |
| 06:34.29 | Amarande | we still downed her, first try of the night |
| 06:34.43 | Amarande | but it occurred to me that this was at least in part because the MC AI isn't nearly so good for warlocks as melee |
| 06:34.52 | Amarande | if I'd been MC'd we'd have been dead for sure |
| 06:35.06 | Dagmar | Would you rather the MC'd warlock walk the room handing out Curse of Doom on the tank, and Curse of Tongues on all the casters? |
| 06:35.07 | Jerub | is that because your raid is incapable of CC? |
| 06:35.23 | Amarande | Jerub: we actually CC MC targets pretty well once we see them |
| 06:35.26 | Dagmar | I mean you KNOW a warlock left alone can hand out enough dots to ruin your day |
| 06:35.28 | Amarande | however, I was also standing right next to a tank |
| 06:35.40 | Amarande | and there's probably a pretty good chance I would have killed the tank before anyone would have had a chance to react |
| 06:35.56 | Amarande | (the tank WAS my bite target, actually) |
| 06:36.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: yes, potentially |
| 06:36.22 | Amarande | but apparently the AI seems to put the biggest priority on RoF'ing people to death |
| 06:36.27 | Amarande | which is really a lolstupid thing for it to do |
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| 06:36.37 | Amarande | occasionally it casts fear, and that's bad, but mostly it seems to really favor RoF |
| 06:36.44 | Dagmar | It's actually an efficient use of mana |
| 06:36.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's true, but it's not really good from the mob standpoint of "kill the players" |
| 06:37.11 | Amarande | especially given it's not smart enough to stop casting when there's no one in the AoE |
| 06:37.15 | Dagmar | THe bosses job is to kill you. |
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| 06:37.28 | Dagmar | MC'd players just have to run interference |
| 06:37.30 | Jerub | there's a difference between doing a lot of damage, and intentionally fucking the raid. |
| 06:37.31 | Amarande | something I learned particularly well in Alterac Mountains many moons ago |
| 06:37.43 | Amarande | on that one elite ogre guy |
| 06:37.56 | Amarande | he's actually only at all dangerous if he's OOM or interrupted :) |
| 06:38.05 | Amarande | I'm surprised the quest is marked group at all |
| 06:38.52 | Amarande | granted he'll go OOM after a few casts but all he does is cast RoF, and he won't stop if you move out of it |
| 06:39.01 | Dagmar | RoF hits multiple targets, ticks quickly, makes your happy asses have to stop DPS and move. |
| 06:39.02 | Adys | Can someone explain to me improved hot streak? |
| 06:39.16 | Amarande | *and*, since mobs don't have pushback, you basically have almost a half minute of free wailing on him before he actually gets serious |
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| 06:41.58 | Dagmar | Heh. It took you that long to kill him? |
| 06:42.21 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:46.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: I can't remember |
| 06:46.13 | Amarande | I can imagine some classes might need that long though |
| 06:46.27 | Amarande | I just estimated it based on the cast time of RoF and the amount of mana he has |
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| 06:46.55 | Amarande | and it's a definite that unless you are stupid enough to interrupt him or stand in fire, he's no danger at all until he's OOM |
| 06:46.59 | Amarande | (at which point he is very seriously so) |
| 06:47.16 | Adys | http://gcguild.net/movie/ventrilo-vs-teamspeak-vs-mumble |
| 06:47.19 | Adys | interesting |
| 06:47.28 | Adys | I didnt know mumble was so good at delays |
| 06:48.11 | Jerub | i totally want to use mumble. |
| 06:48.15 | Jerub | but no one has it installed. |
| 06:48.24 | Adys | force your guild to install it or something |
| 06:48.46 | Jerub | i just got brought into another guilds raid team |
| 06:48.49 | Dagmar | It uses much smaller buffers by default |
| 06:48.56 | Amarande | I don't actually belong officially to the guild I raid with |
| 06:49.00 | Amarande | but I'm one of their core raiders now nonetheless |
| 06:49.14 | Adys | jesus man you still raiding |
| 06:49.21 | Adys | dont you ever fucking grow bored of this game. |
| 06:49.26 | Amarande | wow EG says I'm almost ready for ICC 25H |
| 06:49.44 | Jerub | Amarande: yeah, EG had no idea that you're a scrub |
| 06:49.47 | Amarande | WoW-heroes lists ALL raids as easy for me |
| 06:49.56 | Amarande | Jerub: actually, EG makes a really optimistic estimate about things |
| 06:50.05 | Jerub | Amarande: pfft. |
| 06:50.05 | Amarande | it generally assumes that the whole raid is completely well-oiled |
| 06:50.20 | Amarande | like, you've been raiding with them forever and don't have any PUG members, that kind of thing |
| 06:50.28 | Jerub | I got 5/12 icc25 down in gear that won't let me into icc10 these days, and that was before 5% buff |
| 06:50.38 | Jerub | raid awareness >>> gear |
| 06:50.48 | Amarande | gah, tell me about it, there's still a fight or two that trip me up |
| 06:50.56 | Amarande | probably the ones I tend to have the most trouble with are PP and Sindy |
| 06:51.15 | Jerub | even halion is doable in toc25 gear. |
| 06:51.32 | Jerub | in fact, toc10 gear probably. |
| 06:51.32 | Amarande | Lana'thel maybe, but that depends on how late you get bitten and whether you get targeted for stuff |
| 06:51.37 | tem | Helping Inscribers Pay the Bills - Learn 20 glyphs for your class. |
| 06:51.38 | tem | haha great |
| 06:51.54 | Amarande | halion just requires you to play a lot of crash warped :P |
| 06:52.26 | Jerub | tem: nice |
| 06:52.38 | Jerub | (my realm requires 5.7kgs for halion) |
| 06:52.49 | Jerub | which does exclude people who are too scrub to raid. |
| 06:52.50 | Jerub | but meh |
| 06:52.53 | Jerub | doesn't need that gear |
| 06:54.44 | tem | I'm so glad I don't pug |
| 06:54.51 | tem | it seems like such a horrible experience |
| 06:55.23 | Jerub | tem: it depends. |
| 06:55.29 | Jerub | sometimes you're so pleasantly surprised. |
| 06:55.35 | Jerub | tools like EG are wonderful. |
| 06:55.45 | Jerub | "oh, the RL doesn't gem properly, pfft" and leave the group |
| 06:55.51 | Jerub | Shadowed: <3 |
| 06:57.44 | Amarande | Jerub: halion 10, or 25? |
| 06:58.01 | Amarande | actually I've yet to be able to defeat halion |
| 06:58.09 | Amarande | but that's apparently because I don't do crash bandicoot mechanics very well |
| 07:08.32 | Jerub | Amarande: either |
| 07:08.48 | Jerub | Amarande: they're the same fight, just more people on 25. |
| 07:09.37 | Jerub | it's not like say, LDW where more mechanics (MC, etc) are added in 25 |
| 07:13.25 | Amarande | anyway, twilight cutter reminds me way too much of the uka's |
| 07:16.03 | Jerub | twilight cutter is the "remove non-raid aware people" cutter |
| 07:16.33 | Amarande | bah. |
| 07:16.45 | Amarande | I'm pretty handy on ICC, and I *still* have problems with the damn twilight cutter |
| 07:16.58 | Amarande | I can deal with being swarming shadowed on lana'thel, or targeted for iceblock on sindy, or such |
| 07:17.03 | Amarande | but I STILL have trouble with the damn twilight cutter |
| 07:17.30 | Amarande | I'm just fucking glad I'm melee |
| 07:17.36 | Amarande | twilight cutter must be a real pain in the ass if you're a caster |
| 07:18.00 | Amarande | "hai there. we know your spells almost all have 2-3 second cast times but we expect you to KEEP MOVING ANYWAY!" |
| 07:18.28 | Amarande | is in pretty good spirits tonight |
| 07:18.33 | Amarande | emphasis on the 'spirits' part |
| 07:19.18 | zenzio | you're soaked in alcohol? |
| 07:21.26 | Adys | ~seen tuller |
| 07:21.32 | purl | tuller <~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 6h 7m 22s ago, saying: 'so is my theory correct in that GetItemInfo in the beta is subject to the same dynamic loading as the rest of the client?'. |
| 07:21.37 | Amarande | zenzio: sweeeeet ineeeeeebriation |
| 07:25.24 | Amarande | and yay, only eleven more days now ... w00t |
| 07:25.24 | zenzio | until what? |
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| 07:25.24 | Amarande | HOCKEY |
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| 07:52.23 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: pong |
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| 08:03.12 | Amarande | You know |
| 08:03.16 | Amarande | for a song about the day the music died |
| 08:03.24 | Amarande | American Pie *sure goes on forever* :) |
| 08:04.52 | ckknight | only 8 minutes |
| 08:06.21 | zenzio | I pity the fool whose songs only last eight minutes |
| 08:07.42 | Amarande | hmm |
| 08:07.47 | mitch0 | "Keeper of the Seven Keys" is 13:38 |
| 08:07.49 | Amarande | I have twelve songs in my itunes library now that are nine minutes or more |
| 08:08.13 | zenzio | Rime of the Ancient Mariner |
| 08:08.16 | mitch0 | Halloween is 13:18 |
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| 08:08.57 | zenzio | I was thrilled that Iron Maiden actually played Rime of the Ancient Mariner live, hadn't expected that |
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| 08:09.24 | mitch0 | cool album cover, too: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Keeper_of_the_Seven_Keys_Part_1.jpg |
| 08:09.45 | Amarande | 2112 (Rush) 20:34, Sister Ray (VU) 17:27, Sanctus (Lacrimosa) 14:14, Godless (LPD) 13:07, Satan's Fall (Mercyful Fate) 11:23, This Corrosion (Sisters of Mercy) 10:55, Nine Shades to the Circle (LPD) 10:23, Outlaw Torn (Live, Metallica) 9:59, three RPG atmospheric background soundtracks ranging from 9:07-9:09, and West End Girls (Disco remix, Pet Shop Boys) 9:04 |
| 08:10.00 | Amarande | crap, I can't believe I forgot to save Base Level Erotica by MDB when I was changing OS last |
| 08:10.08 | Amarande | that's 9:54, and I have it on the CD, just not on the computer right now |
| 08:10.28 | Amarande | and the longest song I have at all, either on CD or computer, is For You Will Burn Your Wings Upon The Sun by Black Tape for a Blue Girl, at 26:21 |
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| 08:10.58 | mitch0 | you have West End Girls in your library? how much more fail can you get? :) |
| 08:12.13 | mitch0 | hrmp, manowaar in german is kinda painful |
| 08:12.16 | mitch0 | s/aa/a/ |
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| 08:29.10 | Amarande | dammit. |
| 08:29.15 | Amarande | there's one problem I have with friends in WoW apparently |
| 08:29.20 | Amarande | I keep making new friends almost daily lately |
| 08:29.21 | Amarande | but ... |
| 08:29.27 | Amarande | whenever you're asked to call on them it's "anyone know a tank/healer" |
| 08:29.32 | Amarande | and it seems like almost all the friends I make are DPS lol |
| 08:29.53 | cbreak_work | population inbalance? |
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| 08:34.42 | Fisker | i am angry Amarande |
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| 08:39.30 | Torhal | You are Fisker, not angry. |
| 08:40.10 | Kalroth | happy-hugs Fisker |
| 08:40.14 | Kalroth | Be happy, be Fisker! |
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| 08:45.01 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 08:45.20 | Fisker | someone made a script where he makes use of danish booleans |
| 08:45.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:45.28 | Amarande | Fisker: what's the angry? |
| 08:45.42 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:45.48 | Fisker | it's horrible |
| 08:46.15 | Fisker | It's like taking a english text and translating it through google translate |
| 08:46.46 | Adys | what the fuck did they bug on beta again with mounts |
| 08:46.46 | Adys | >< |
| 08:46.59 | Fisker | you wish |
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| 09:04.02 | Adys | I need some help fixing my LinkHover addon for the blizzard feedback UI: http://dpaste.com/241392/ |
| 09:04.04 | Adys | any idea? |
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| 09:05.04 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/982637 This is the entire addon |
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| 09:13.09 | Vilkku | right |
| 09:13.14 | Vilkku | where can you use Survey? |
| 09:13.15 | Vilkku | and |
| 09:13.20 | Vilkku | is the guild rewards vendor in? |
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| 09:25.25 | Amarande | wow, the t10 dk dps helm is a real lemon |
| 09:25.32 | Amarande | it's barely better than the triumph badge helm :| |
| 09:25.38 | Amarande | and they expect us to spend frost on this piece of shit? :| |
| 09:27.37 | unfo- | Amarande, lemon as in lemon party? |
| 09:28.08 | Kalroth | hot |
| 09:28.13 | Amarande | lemon as in a piece of worthless junk, like a non working car :P |
| 09:28.23 | Amarande | certainly, not worth spending frost badges on |
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| 09:54.37 | airtonix | at least it s not real life |
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| 09:58.38 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udJr9cMCVFk |
| 09:58.39 | Wobin | awesome |
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| 10:12.04 | Adys | !api OnHyperlinkEnter |
| 10:12.05 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnHyperlinkEnter'. |
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| 10:31.49 | zenzio | "Find every rare artifact. Yes every one. Stop whining." |
| 10:31.51 | zenzio | lol |
| 10:31.58 | zenzio | hope that's the final description for that achievement |
| 10:37.26 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/juPAw.jpg |
| 10:38.05 | zenzio | hehe |
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| 10:38.16 | zenzio | not bad, but I prefer the one I linked last night |
| 10:38.38 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 10:39.08 | zenzio | what I really don't get is why they made another show with him (the "Surviving a disaster" or whatever it's called) |
| 10:40.00 | Wobin | they needed a reason? |
| 10:40.13 | zenzio | good point |
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| 10:49.51 | Wobin | interesting |
| 10:49.52 | Wobin | http://ethercodes.com/ |
| 10:49.59 | Wobin | it needs a lua option |
| 10:51.00 | zenzio | Wobin: interesting |
| 10:51.28 | Wobin | http://ethercodes.com/5KLZ8HKlek |
| 10:53.25 | Wobin | I wonder how much they borrowed from Wave |
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| 11:03.15 | zenzio | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/758146-It-is-no-more :-( |
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| 11:13.16 | Spejnar | zenzio: wtf, BRING BACK NOM^3 |
| 11:13.33 | zenzio | yeah, that was such an awesome name |
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| 11:16.28 | Spejnar | rather boring talent for such an epic name tho |
| 11:16.40 | Spejnar | 100% to refresh rip if the mob is at or below 25% |
| 11:17.27 | mikma | wobin: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/transformers_3_optimist_prime_vs_negatron.jpg |
| 11:20.01 | mikma | "Also, all the old PvP titles have been brought back to the game as part of the rated bg system. " |
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| 11:21.21 | unfo- | mikma, do you know if they are the exact sames? I mean if i have vanilla Sergeant or whatever, will it be special or the same? |
| 11:22.41 | mikma | unfo-: dunno |
| 11:23.04 | Wobin | Noooooooooo =( |
| 11:23.08 | Wobin | I <3 Nom^3 |
| 11:23.42 | mikma | :(U |
| 11:24.28 | mitch0 | ethercodes sux |
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| 11:35.09 | mikma | wobin: http://www.rlslog.net/cool-as-ice-1991-dvdrip-xvid-flair/ |
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| 11:40.00 | mitch0 | what's this nom nom nom talent? |
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| 11:40.40 | mikma | Nom Nom Nom has been renamed to Feast of Flesh. DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! DAMN YOU! |
| 11:40.48 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/80318/ |
| 11:40.58 | mitch0 | but I can't find it (I mean, the original |
| 11:41.57 | mikma | well why do you need to find it |
| 11:42.23 | mitch0 | oh, it was Nom nom nom only in beta? |
| 11:42.29 | mikma | yea |
| 11:42.38 | mitch0 | ah, that explains |
| 11:42.45 | Cairenn | I laughed my ass off at that name :p |
| 11:43.08 | Cairenn | it's okay though, I could afford to lose some of my ass :p |
| 11:43.22 | mikma | picture or it's a lie |
| 11:43.42 | Cairenn | I absolutely refuse to link that pic again :p |
| 11:44.22 | mikma | then it |
| 11:44.26 | mikma | 's a lie |
| 11:44.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:46.52 | airtonix | so you're not the kind of girl that would have no arse if you lost any ? |
| 11:47.00 | Wobin | Cairenn: Can you use your cunning Blizzard contacts to get them to retain the Nom^3 name? =) |
| 11:47.17 | mikma | or, send them a picture of your ass |
| 11:47.19 | Cairenn | heh, doubt it |
| 11:47.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:47.30 | zenzio | I'm sure someone else could dig up the link |
| 11:47.30 | airtonix | its not stealing if its digital |
| 11:47.41 | airtonix | and you wouldn;t loose any |
| 11:47.46 | airtonix | lose* |
| 11:48.00 | zenzio | Cairenn: tell them we're willing to settle for "Om Nom Nom" if "Nom Nom Nom" is out of the picture |
| 11:48.08 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:48.17 | airtonix | Mon Mon Mon is good too |
| 11:48.29 | zenzio | that sounds like a troll racial |
| 11:48.43 | airtonix | or a bad cooking recipe |
| 11:48.51 | zenzio | I wish WoW's spell and item names (in my own opinion) were more funny; like Anarchy Online's were |
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| 16:29.49 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Cata Beta UI download: http://bit.ly/cvplpG |
| 16:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you for bringing her back, nevcairiel! |
| 16:30.08 | Lunessa | I could use a libation. And it /is/ Friday... |
| 16:30.15 | nevcairiel | my pleasure |
| 16:30.23 | Lopeppeppy | It's 5 o clock somewhere |
| 16:30.46 | alestane | I found some dwarf pieces in Twilight Highlands, Lunessa. |
| 16:31.03 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 16:31.26 | Lunessa | *nod* I'll work on it tonight. This morning's play time was dedicated to hitting 85 and race-changing one of my copies to a dwarf. |
| 16:32.05 | Lunessa | Oh, and buying Azerothian Navigation |
| 16:32.43 | durcyn | oh, is that in? what did the price end up at |
| 16:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik! |
| 16:32.57 | Ackis | is this sexist: http://dealbreaker.com/2010/09/citi-advocates-that-female-employees-do-not-sit-with-their-legs-crossed-but-rather-spread-eagle-with-their-balls-hanging-out/ |
| 16:33.20 | Ackis | actually read the article, the title is a bit misleading |
| 16:33.33 | Lunessa | durcyn: 250g, reduced by rep. |
| 16:33.41 | Lunessa | 200g at exalted |
| 16:33.56 | durcyn | oh, what's the bloody point then |
| 16:34.19 | nevcairiel | what rep? |
| 16:34.20 | Ackis | prevent you from cheating the leveling curve from 1-60 with a flying mount |
| 16:34.36 | durcyn | if i wanted to cheat the levelling curve, I'd use an X-53 |
| 16:34.37 | foxlit | not really |
| 16:34.42 | Cidan | curse the arg1-arg9 and this changes |
| 16:34.43 | nevcairiel | like you can buy flying mounts at those levels |
| 16:34.46 | Cidan | curse them to hell |
| 16:34.48 | foxlit | You need the flying skill anyway. |
| 16:34.55 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.59 | nevcairiel | Cidan: fix your 10 years old code already |
| 16:35.07 | nicoli_s | Ackis:yes very sexist |
| 16:35.32 | foxlit | Anyone familiar with GeSHi's language descriptions? |
| 16:35.46 | foxlit | I want to stop it from wrapping parents in useless spans. |
| 16:35.47 | Cidan | nevcairiel: fair enough |
| 16:35.50 | myrkraverk | Ackis, I don't think so, it's mostly true. |
| 16:35.51 | foxlit | s/parents/parens/ |
| 16:36.03 | Cidan | No new code uses it, mostly legacy code |
| 16:36.14 | nevcairiel | my point exactly |
| 16:36.20 | foxlit | lies. |
| 16:36.36 | foxlit | Pre-hook every OnEvent handler to create those globals! |
| 16:36.52 | Ackis | nicoli_s: I read it as a useful set of tips, I don't necessarily agree with all 10 /shrug |
| 16:36.54 | nevcairiel | I'm sure someone will do it |
| 16:37.00 | myrkraverk | Ackis, number 8 can be come a serious problem when women come into power. |
| 16:38.06 | Ackis | the handshake one for me |
| 16:38.12 | Ackis | I always give a firm hand shake |
| 16:39.22 | myrkraverk | Is it possible to get MACROTEXT action on secure action buttons ? |
| 16:39.31 | Lunessa | I don't need to walk around in circles, walk around in circles... |
| 16:39.44 | alestane | If I understand your question right, yes... |
| 16:39.51 | myrkraverk | so along with CLICK, MACRO, ... we get MACROTEXT <text follows> as action? |
| 16:39.53 | Lunessa | Yes. MACROTEXT is a valid type for secure action buttons |
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| 16:40.21 | myrkraverk | Erm.... I guess I misremembered |
| 16:40.56 | myrkraverk | Let's rephrase the the question: Is it possible to get MACROTEXT as a keybinding action? |
| 16:41.14 | myrkraverk | Along with CLICK, MACRO and friends. |
| 16:41.19 | nevcairiel | not directly, no |
| 16:41.25 | alestane | If 'type' evaluates to 'macro', then the button will check its 'macro' and 'macrotext' attributes. |
| 16:41.38 | myrkraverk | alestane, Yeah, I know that. |
| 16:41.48 | alestane | You can't, however, bind a key directly to an arbitrary body of macro text. |
| 16:41.48 | nevcairiel | You need to create a button that you can bind |
| 16:41.52 | nevcairiel | cant directly bind a macro text |
| 16:42.14 | myrkraverk | I can however bind it to an arbitrary named macro. |
| 16:42.38 | myrkraverk | If wowwiki is correct, at least. |
| 16:42.52 | Lunessa | SetBindingMacro |
| 16:42.55 | myrkraverk | I suppose life simply isn't fair ;) |
| 16:43.22 | myrkraverk | Exactly, that. |
| 16:45.14 | myrkraverk | If I ever get guardian unit IDs I'll ask for SetBinding( key, "MACROTEXT", text ) |
| 16:45.26 | foxlit | why? |
| 16:45.42 | nevcairiel | you know, its rather trivial to create a button |
| 16:45.48 | foxlit | I mean, it's not like MACROTEXT bindings would let you do anything you can't do already |
| 16:45.56 | Lunessa | Frankly Guardians don't really need UnitIds. |
| 16:46.02 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 16:46.10 | nevcairiel | they are not combat relevant |
| 16:46.30 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, I want a unit frame for mine and its target, that's all. |
| 16:46.35 | foxlit | value of attribute "id" invalid: "2" cannot start a name :( |
| 16:47.06 | nevcairiel | what kind of guardian lives long enough to matter? |
| 16:47.10 | foxlit | So is everyone violating html with http;//example.com/url#1 |
| 16:47.11 | foxlit | ? |
| 16:47.23 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, 45 seconds is a long time in combat. |
| 16:47.27 | nevcairiel | is that ; in there on purpose? |
| 16:47.56 | foxlit | no |
| 16:48.00 | foxlit | I'm complaining about the anchor |
| 16:48.15 | foxlit | Apparently I can't do id="1" without the validator whining at me |
| 16:48.36 | nevcairiel | but anchors don't use id |
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| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | they use name |
| 16:49.02 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They are for warlocks, but they will have GUID for combat log events. They don't take orders and you can't buff them. SO they don't need to have UinitIds by which they could be targets. |
| 16:49.06 | nebula169 | id's need to start with a letter |
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| 16:49.34 | nevcairiel | Don't warlocks have permanent pets? =P |
| 16:49.48 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, *also* |
| 16:49.52 | Lopeppeppy | warlocks *are* permanent pets. :P |
| 16:50.00 | foxlit | nebula169: you're repeating the error message. |
| 16:50.02 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They get guardians too. |
| 16:50.13 | foxlit | nevcairiel: id seems to work; however, the same restriction applies to name. |
| 16:50.21 | Lunessa | The Doomguard and Infernal are guardians now on a shared 10 minute cooldown |
| 16:50.28 | foxlit | So there's apparently no legal way to do page.html#100 |
| 16:50.30 | nevcairiel | Is that something new? I can't remember it, but i havent played my lock since BC |
| 16:50.49 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, yes, that's something new. |
| 16:51.17 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, now we can have an Infernal and the imp going on at the same time for 45 seconds. |
| 16:51.37 | nevcairiel | But if you can't control those, i mean, whats the point even knowing what it does :D |
| 16:51.40 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: In cataclysm |
| 16:51.59 | nevcairiel | shouldnt they be kinda smart and attack your target |
| 16:52.00 | Lunessa | And they attack whatever you have slapped a bane on. |
| 16:52.05 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, Because I'm an anal retentive asshole? (excuse the language?) |
| 16:52.22 | Lunessa | fuck you and your filthy goddamned language. |
| 16:52.25 | Lunessa | :P |
| 16:52.27 | myrkraverk | ;) |
| 16:52.52 | nevcairiel | Anyhoo, i still doubt they'll add ids for that |
| 16:52.53 | myrkraverk | I'd like to have guardian and guardian-target unit frames while it's live. |
| 16:53.06 | nevcairiel | aren't totems guardians? |
| 16:53.07 | myrkraverk | Yeah. I can only hope. |
| 16:53.08 | Lunessa | Like I said... they don't really need UnitIds. |
| 16:53.09 | nevcairiel | You have like 4 of those |
| 16:53.17 | nevcairiel | that would get out of hand |
| 16:53.45 | myrkraverk | why? Why more than raidn IDs? |
| 16:53.51 | Lunessa | Because then you could TARGET them in macros. |
| 16:54.02 | nevcairiel | yeah, that too |
| 16:54.04 | myrkraverk | And that is bad? We can target them anyway |
| 16:54.11 | Lunessa | which is PVP badness |
| 16:54.28 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.33 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.58 | myrkraverk | There are already macros to attack totems. |
| 16:55.02 | nebula169 | they removed the ability to target totems, no? would assume guardians are protected by the same logic |
| 16:55.14 | Lunessa | myrkraverk: You have to change targets to do that. |
| 16:55.35 | nevcairiel | indeed, an @ macro is just instant totem killing |
| 16:55.41 | myrkraverk | lunessa /tar <totem name> /petattack |
| 16:55.50 | nevcairiel | switches target |
| 16:55.56 | Lunessa | It becomes a skill issue instead of a "whack a button to do the right thing" |
| 16:55.58 | myrkraverk | Right. Ok. |
| 16:56.19 | myrkraverk | So guardian unit id = bad ;( |
| 16:56.36 | nevcairiel | would open a whole new can of worms |
| 16:56.43 | nebula169 | you can't /tar totems anymore, i'm pretty sure |
| 16:56.46 | myrkraverk | player-guardian with partyn-guardian *might* be ok, yes? no? |
| 16:56.51 | nebula169 | can still @mouseover them |
| 16:57.08 | nevcairiel | mouseover requires some 3d targeting skills, so thats ok |
| 16:58.14 | myrkraverk | Oh welll, I'll just have to cry over no unit IDs for my guardian then ;) |
| 16:58.51 | myrkraverk | unless there is explicitly player-guardian and only that. |
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| 17:00.33 | nevcairiel | Hm, did they rename Kelp Forest, or is wowhead just tricking me with the longer name? |
| 17:00.38 | nebula169 | wonder if inferno+pet works like gargolye+ghoul, the gargoyle follows petattack targets, so you could probably just use pettarget? |
| 17:01.47 | myrkraverk | nebula169, nope, it attacks what I have bane on which can be completely unrelated. |
| 17:02.17 | myrkraverk | Or that is what the tooltip says. I can't say for actual functionality. |
| 17:02.17 | nebula169 | ahso |
| 17:02.42 | nebula169 | that would be kind of annoying, imo |
| 17:02.52 | myrkraverk | Why? |
| 17:03.05 | nebula169 | keeping havoc or doom on a boss and then, say, trying to kill adds |
| 17:03.16 | nebula169 | pet would run off ;[ |
| 17:04.30 | Lunessa | nebula169: I haven't been able to get it to attack anything except what bane is on, or if I haven't cast a bane what ever is beating on me. |
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| 17:05.27 | Ackis | lol "Turns out the US Army has a Twitter feed. The French army has one too, but they only use it to retweet" |
| 17:09.36 | Fisker | racist |
| 17:10.34 | Gnarfoz | frenschmenn arrr not a race |
| 17:10.37 | Lunessa | That's not racist, that's bigotry. There /is/ a difference. |
| 17:11.00 | Fisker | totally racist Lunessa |
| 17:12.34 | Fisker | aww |
| 17:12.55 | Fisker | i tried to name my character "pedognome" and all i got was this lousy permanent ban |
| 17:13.32 | Gnarfoz | it's paedo anyway! |
| 17:13.36 | Fisker | Bibi just got busted |
| 17:14.26 | Gnarfoz | as freschmenn are wont to do! |
| 17:16.11 | Fisker | WE NEED TO DESTROY PAYPAL |
| 17:16.13 | Fisker | RIGHT NOW |
| 17:17.31 | Lopeppeppy | You first, Fisker. |
| 17:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm busy tonight. |
| 17:18.27 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy has a date? |
| 17:19.45 | Fisker | yeah Shirik |
| 17:19.47 | Fisker | with me! |
| 17:19.49 | Ackis | Fisker: what happened to bibi? |
| 17:19.59 | Fisker | got busted by the pedognome |
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| 17:21.57 | kd3 | Adys, oddly - I logged in just fine. it's the non enUS-locales who got screwed by the look of it |
| 17:22.10 | Adys | Im enus tho Oo |
| 17:22.13 | Cidan | I really wish RealID had an offline mode |
| 17:22.15 | Cidan | sigh. |
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| 17:23.33 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 17:23.36 | Fisker | we need to destroy paypal |
| 17:24.35 | Mikk | not before i've gotten my curse payments out of there! |
| 17:24.38 | Mikk | fuckers froze my account |
| 17:24.57 | Mikk | blabla to avoid money laundry blabla send us proof of everything including your shoe size bla bla |
| 17:25.17 | Adys | Mikk: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/09/10/paypal-freezes-minecraft-devs-600k-euros/ |
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| 17:26.19 | Mikk | in their defense, EU regs require them to know their customer when they see too much money or traffic in the account |
| 17:26.27 | Mikk | not allowed to be anonymous anymore |
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| 17:27.35 | Fisker | i will destroy them |
| 17:31.59 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: they've officially been a bank in the EU for a while now, they don't give a shit about half of the regulations they're subject to because of it |
| 17:32.43 | nevcairiel | I just pressed some button that unlocked the transfer limit, had to give them my address or something, didnt want any proof of it though |
| 17:32.56 | Gnarfoz | (for example they do not have the authority to permanently close accounts, keeping the funds to themselves; yet they do that regularily) |
| 17:33.06 | jnwhiteh | yeah I had to verify a bank account and then my address |
| 17:33.09 | jnwhiteh | but that was easy |
| 17:34.53 | Lunessa | Odd, I haven't had to renew my paypal information for a while. |
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| 17:38.07 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: They actually do have that power. You should read those things before you click on them. |
| 17:40.27 | nevcairiel | You know EU bank laws? =) |
| 17:41.44 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you should read those things I get to read. Oh wait, you don't, you're not even from this continent. |
| 17:41.59 | Gnarfoz | nevermind! |
| 17:42.16 | Gnarfoz | now nevcairiel, find me a car |
| 17:42.26 | Gnarfoz | (or tell me if you've found a new flat, yet) |
| 17:42.34 | nevcairiel | Moved in last weekend |
| 17:42.59 | Gnarfoz | wooties |
| 17:43.10 | nevcairiel | should probably unpack some boxes instead of chatting |
| 17:43.12 | Gnarfoz | Hamburg proper now? |
| 17:43.12 | nevcairiel | but meh |
| 17:43.15 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:43.40 | Gnarfoz | having no internet when moving = moving actually has a chance of getting done |
| 17:43.53 | nevcairiel | stupid alice was fast |
| 17:44.02 | nevcairiel | had internet while i was still painting the walls and stuff |
| 17:44.16 | Gnarfoz | heh, you're in their home city, perhaps they know what the hell they're doing, after all |
| 17:44.50 | Lunessa | Did anyone play the beta this morning and notice creature damage seemed tuned downward a little? |
| 17:45.07 | Gnarfoz | rented a car earlier today, for the weekend... have to pick out some cars now and give the sellers a call to see if I can check them out tomorrow |
| 17:45.11 | Dagmar | Doens't matter because you're _still wrong_ Gnarfoz |
| 17:45.27 | nevcairiel | Would make sense that they tune it a tad bit down, after they doubled it before |
| 17:46.03 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you think what you want to think. for the minecraft guy, perhaps they can, if he's USian. I was replying to Mikk, who was talking about EU. |
| 17:46.06 | Lunessa | My experience is entirely subjective, but it didn't seem that I was being beaten quite as hard. |
| 17:46.30 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: but getting eaten is an expression of... love! |
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| 17:46.35 | Gnarfoz | (certainly?) |
| 17:46.57 | Lunessa | eaten, sure. Beaten, not so much (unless you're into that). |
| 17:47.48 | Gnarfoz | oh. yea. I guess that was my stomach reading just now, then |
| 17:48.15 | nevcairiel | speaking of eating |
| 17:48.25 | Gnarfoz | good thing I'm already cooking, maybe I'll then not pick out cars that look... delicious |
| 17:48.55 | Dagmar | Even in the EU if they see signs of money laundering or other completely illegal activity they can and will freeze funds and turn the lot over to the authorities |
| 17:49.09 | Dagmar | All they've done to the guy is freeze his funds because he's got an unusually high balance |
| 17:49.32 | Dagmar | Paypal isn't a bank. Different regulations apply to banks that they don't want anything to do with. |
| 17:49.51 | nevcairiel | They are a bank in many EU countrys, or they wouldn't be allowed to do what they do |
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| 17:50.45 | nevcairiel | And what gnarfoz said was closing acocunts and keeping the money for themself, turning it over to the authorities is a different deal |
| 17:50.50 | Dagmar | either way they don't just take people's funds for no reason |
| 17:51.10 | Dagmar | ...and they don't keep the funds when they close someone's account for illegal/fraudulent activity |
| 17:51.37 | Dagmar | But hey, it's cool to parrot the histrionic bullshit half the Slashdot "editors" post. |
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| 17:54.22 | Gnarfoz | I don't even read slashdot |
| 17:54.29 | Gnarfoz | you seem to, and it's made you dumb |
| 17:54.38 | Gnarfoz | I wasn't talking about freezing funds, I was talking about keeping them |
| 17:54.46 | jnwhiteh | hrm, SC2 or cataclysm. |
| 17:54.47 | Lunessa | Goblin mount: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8014/wowscrnshot091010001434.jpg |
| 17:54.48 | nicoli_s | paypal froze curse's accounts when we first launched premium cuz they were suspicious |
| 17:55.02 | Gnarfoz | and now: Spaghetti |
| 17:55.09 | Dagmar | So, have they _kept_ the guys funds? |
| 17:55.17 | nicoli_s | Gnarfoz:dont eat my kitty please |
| 17:55.18 | Gnarfoz | this guy's? not yet. |
| 17:55.20 | jnwhiteh | hugs his FlexAuth |
| 17:55.25 | Dagmar | So your problem is? |
| 17:55.31 | Gnarfoz | that they regularily do? |
| 17:55.40 | Dagmar | That is incorrect. |
| 17:56.11 | Ackis | personal experience has led me to know that paypal == the devil |
| 17:56.26 | Gnarfoz | (and == a bank in the EU, even if Dagmar says otherwise) |
| 17:56.34 | Ackis | if it wasn't for curse I would've closed my account |
| 17:56.59 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: don't bother, they might just do it for you one day |
| 17:57.03 | Gnarfoz | >:D |
| 17:57.06 | Ackis | heh |
| 17:57.18 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: what are you hugging it for? :o |
| 17:57.32 | foxlit | Ackis: meh! Amazon giftcards > paypal |
| 17:57.38 | Ackis | fiancee sold her account and the guy tried to scam her, paypal still charged her all sorts of fees after everything was dealt with |
| 17:57.51 | Ackis | foxlit: they don't carry amazon.ca gift cards |
| 17:58.25 | foxlit | Ackis: and .com doesn't work for you? |
| 17:58.39 | foxlit | I'm blissfully ignorant of amazon's regional nature. .co.uk ships here. |
| 17:58.55 | foxlit | so does .com, come to think of it. A bit longer and costlier, but they do. |
| 17:58.58 | Ackis | .com is in the US, they tell me to go to .ca and charge higher shipping price |
| 17:58.59 | Gnarfoz | if paypal has a better exchange rate than amazon, using paypal somehow seems appropriate |
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| 17:59.26 | foxlit | It'd take a small eternity to accumulate enough points for curse to bother with PayPal, though :) |
| 17:59.44 | Gnarfoz | s/take/take me/ |
| 17:59.45 | Ackis | 2-3 months |
| 17:59.47 | Gnarfoz | ;} |
| 17:59.58 | foxlit | Well, yes. I'm not sure where you lot are getting points from :) |
| 18:00.12 | Gnarfoz | It takes me a small eternity to even bother getting a gift card |
| 18:01.06 | Gnarfoz | it's nice anyway, made my phone 150⬠cheaper with my accumulated points from the last... 18 months or so |
| 18:01.09 | Dagmar | FLUFFY! |
| 18:03.59 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 18:04.01 | Fisker | and hey jnwhiteh |
| 18:07.49 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 18:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | hi to you |
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| 18:22.58 | foxlit | So I have this auto-suggesting search field on my framexml index |
| 18:23.15 | foxlit | You might type "UI", it'll query the server, and then suggest that you might've meant "UIParent" |
| 18:23.28 | foxlit | Or "UIDropDownMenuTemplate" or something |
| 18:23.46 | TC-Work | so...reinventing google? |
| 18:23.49 | foxlit | yes. |
| 18:24.05 | foxlit | although more like reinventing wowhead's search box |
| 18:24.16 | Dagmar | don't forget to leave space on the side for the gold ads |
| 18:24.19 | foxlit | At the moment, I'm assuming that you actually know what you're looking for, so you're typing a proper prefix of the function name |
| 18:24.31 | TC-Work | PEOPLE ARE STUPID |
| 18:24.37 | TC-Work | please follow that foxlit |
| 18:24.43 | foxlit | However, I've now found that *I* don't know what I'm looking for |
| 18:24.58 | foxlit | So it'd be nice to have the UIDropDownMenuTemplate also appear on DropDown and stuff |
| 18:25.16 | TC-Work | so, regex mask? |
| 18:25.38 | nicoli_s | foxlit:since we had it before wowhead, please say reinventing wowdb's search box :P |
| 18:26.05 | foxlit | The key point of my long exposition is that I'm currently caching which prefixes I've already asked the server for to prevent repeat-queries yielding nothing interesting |
| 18:26.37 | TC-Work | and google had it before both of you |
| 18:26.42 | foxlit | Stuff like if you're already asked for "Dro" and the server said "here's everything I know", don't ask for "DropDown" |
| 18:27.03 | foxlit | I was thinking that I'd have to change that trick in some clever way |
| 18:27.08 | TC-Work | i dont get that |
| 18:27.12 | foxlit | But I actually do not. Thank you all for being wonderful rubber ducks. |
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| 18:28.30 | foxlit | TC-Work: at the moment, the server returns a number of strings matching a particular prefix. |
| 18:28.41 | TC-Work | i got that part |
| 18:28.56 | TC-Work | it was the "don't ask for "DropDown"" part i didnt get |
| 18:29.17 | Gnarfoz | if it already gave you everything it has for "Dro" |
| 18:29.25 | Gnarfoz | there's no need to ask it for "DropDown" later on |
| 18:29.37 | Gnarfoz | (because "DropDown" would be among that) |
| 18:29.39 | foxlit | Yes. The point is that if you've asked for "Dro" and the server asserted that the results it gave you are all you're going to get for that prefix, you don't need to ask for DropDown because that also begins with Dro. |
| 18:29.43 | foxlit | ^ Gnarfoz. |
| 18:30.28 | foxlit | I also have a "I have more results for that prefix than I'm going to give you right now" signal, which lets you ask again if you come up with a more refined prefix |
| 18:31.34 | foxlit | (this strategy becomes problematic if you're suddenly allowed to have your search fragment anywhere in the string) |
| 18:32.38 | foxlit | nicoli_s: does wowdb have a clever solution? |
| 18:32.53 | TC-Work | ok, it's the later on i am not getting, does this mean later on in another session, or if you go back to the serach box? |
| 18:33.18 | foxlit | both |
| 18:33.31 | foxlit | But you could just interpret it as "as you continue typing" |
| 18:35.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, this sounds like it happens keystroke-wise or rather "length of the text in the input field has changed"-wise |
| 18:38.31 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 18:38.34 | Fisker | *stares* |
| 18:38.38 | Gnarfoz | don't |
| 18:38.43 | Gnarfoz | I'm buying a car |
| 18:38.43 | foxlit | I mean, google probably doesn't mind repeating queries |
| 18:38.44 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 18:38.54 | foxlit | I'd rather avoid that. |
| 18:40.21 | Fisker | don't disappoint me Gnarfoz |
| 18:40.26 | Fisker | or i'll make you wish you could die |
| 18:45.55 | Cide | foxlit: assuming people know the prefix is probably accurate for most cases |
| 18:46.00 | Gnarfoz | so I'm immortal now? neat |
| 18:46.03 | Cide | but there are some stupidly named functions that you should special case |
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| 19:16.38 | Ackis | http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by-feds-for-not-answering.html |
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| 19:29.29 | TC-Work | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP5uWXNBYgY |
| 19:31.19 | durcyn | Ackis: homeland security is the worst |
| 19:31.39 | durcyn | they've turned paranoia and posturing into a macabe security theater horror show, i want out. |
| 19:31.45 | durcyn | macabre* |
| 19:32.10 | Gnarfoz | out of... the USA, or are you working for DHS? |
| 19:32.22 | durcyn | both |
| 19:32.36 | Gnarfoz | right, not sure how only the latter could be possible |
| 19:32.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:33.23 | durcyn | they're terrible to work for too. imagine 17 inept buraucracies combining to form the Voltron of institutional stupidity |
| 19:33.45 | durcyn | or bureaucracies, if i could spell a godamn thing |
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| 19:35.33 | Gnarfoz | sounds like fun |
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| 19:39.32 | TC-Work | thats not shady or anything |
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| 19:45.05 | cralor | Lol |
| 19:48.52 | Ackis | the DHS to me is proof that the terrorists won :P |
| 19:56.04 | foxlit | so, um, did php evolve to contain proper closures for preg_replace yet? |
| 19:57.30 | Cidan | php evolve |
| 19:57.31 | Cidan | ha |
| 19:58.13 | foxlit | hey, it's an apt metaphor for language whose API resembles some primeval soup. |
| 19:58.33 | Cidan | Ha x 2 |
| 19:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: to give you an actual answer instead of mindlessly snide remarks, sort of: http://php.net/manual/en/functions.anonymous.php |
| 19:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not quite as robust as other languages, there's some functionality |
| 19:59.25 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: That is actually exactly what I was looking for |
| 19:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | also, that was the top hit when googling "php closure" |
| 19:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 19:59.47 | TC-Work | "ha x 2" = "hax2" |
| 19:59.57 | Gnarfoz | php? hax? yes |
| 19:59.58 | foxlit | I've found preg_replace_callback shortly after asking, but its examples were like "go create_function()" |
| 20:00.21 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: um....but mindlessly snide remarks ar the only thing we do around here |
| 20:00.45 | cog|away | coughs on Fisker giving him the sick |
| 20:00.50 | foxlit | There's also some explicit syntax to inherit variables form parent scope. |
| 20:00.53 | NightHawkTheSane | true, although once in a while someone gets off their high horse to give an actual answer ;) |
| 20:01.10 | foxlit | function ($quantity, $product) use ($tax, &$total) |
| 20:01.11 | foxlit | fear it. |
| 20:01.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that annoys me |
| 20:02.08 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: we try to discourage those kinds of mentalities however. |
| 20:06.53 | zenzelezz | I never understood why PHP decided that a "global" variable has to be declared "global $..." inside a function if you want to access it... sounds so backwards |
| 20:07.24 | TC-Work | though i think the time that we used the most mindlessly snide remarks where when the wow addon package that had been around forever (that i cant remember the name of) was pointed to this channel for tech support |
| 20:07.27 | foxlit | zenzelezz: on the other hand, your functions don't leak stuff unless you explicitly set them to. |
| 20:08.03 | zenzelezz | foxlit: true, but I'd rather have it the other way around |
| 20:09.45 | foxlit | Can you think of some FrameXML object that inherits from multiple templates? |
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| 20:15.26 | alestane | ActionBarButtonTemplate. |
| 20:16.15 | foxlit | awesome |
| 20:16.23 | alestane | Coinherits from SecureActionButtonTemplate and ActionButtonTemplate IIRC. |
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| 20:17.47 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12803/BonusActionBarFrame.xml << playing with inherits and relativeTo linking from within XML |
| 20:22.39 | foxlit | ... and it seems to work. |
| 20:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | slick |
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| 20:52.36 | zenzelezz | "Markus Persson, a.k.a. Notch, the developer of Minecraft, posted on his development blog today that PayPal limited his account with unspecified cause on August 25th. Since then, payments for the alpha version of Minecraft have continued accumulating while Notch has been unable to withdraw them, and the account now contains over 600,000. PayPal recently told him it may take up to two more weeks for things to get sorted out an |
| 20:52.37 | zenzelezz | d that if they conclude that there is funny business involved, they will keep the money." |
| 20:52.48 | zenzelezz | gogo PayPal, keep showing people how awesome you are |
| 20:52.50 | TC-Work | OLD |
| 20:53.08 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: I've said it before and I'll say it again; of course it's old. I read Slashdot |
| 20:53.13 | TC-Work | you pedantic crotchety old man |
| 20:53.23 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: thats lost on me since i dont |
| 20:53.37 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 20:53.54 | zenzelezz | Slashdot is generally slow to post news - ie. a few days behind |
| 20:54.05 | TC-Work | then why does everyone read it? |
| 20:54.30 | zenzelezz | don't know about the others, but I like their fairly clean site, and the comments are amusing |
| 20:58.56 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 20:58.59 | Dagmar | *sigh8 |
| 20:59.05 | Dagmar | TC-Work: because sometimes it's the only place you'll hear about some things at all, and a few histrionic editors aside, it's generally more technically accurate reporting than say, Infoworld (up-arrow fail) |
| 20:59.55 | Dagmar | ...although a lot of the header paragraph pertaining to yesterdays crapworm outbreak was just fiction. |
| 21:02.31 | TC-Work | honest or dishonest fiction? |
| 21:05.14 | Dagmar | Honest fiction. |
| 21:05.40 | Dagmar | There were a few variants later in the day, but some things that article said the worm did were not present in the three versions I had hands on |
| 21:06.05 | a-stray-cat | would anyone mind posting on the beta bug forums for me? i have some new huntard bugs :( |
| 21:06.05 | Dagmar | So, might have been just wrong, might have been reporting on hearsay from someone who didn't have a clue, might have been collecting information about other variants. |
| 21:06.16 | Dagmar | One thing is for sure, the worm was mainly amateur crap. |
| 21:06.27 | nevcairiel | a-stray-cat: why don't you post yourself? |
| 21:06.37 | a-stray-cat | no characters show up |
| 21:06.39 | a-stray-cat | when i try to post |
| 21:07.06 | Dagmar | *Part* of it happened to be part of a pro malware kit form what I can tell tho. I get the feeling that some newb with a few bucks bought the current malware kit that's out there and put the thing together. |
| 21:07.08 | a-stray-cat | its pretty annoying :( |
| 21:07.13 | Dagmar | s/form/from/ |
| 21:07.14 | Cide | my recaptcha |
| 21:07.18 | Cide | "appendix parter" |
| 21:07.20 | Cide | scary |
| 21:07.36 | Gnarfoz | delicious |
| 21:08.04 | haste | TC-Work: it was posted earlier today, I wouldn't exactly call it OLD due to that |
| 21:08.30 | haste | like oh noes, you don't read some random blog post on tumblr that was posted 2 hours ago |
| 21:08.33 | haste | you really suck! |
| 21:08.54 | TC-Work | well you can replace OLD with "i'm just mseeing with zenzelezz " |
| 21:09.01 | olafski | I have one of those right here cide |
| 21:09.05 | TC-Work | since i really dont care |
| 21:09.15 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 21:09.22 | olafski | what is minecraft? some bot that the guy made money off of? |
| 21:09.25 | TC-Work | messing* |
| 21:09.32 | haste | olafski: it's a game |
| 21:09.34 | Dagmar | olafski: It's a game |
| 21:09.34 | zenzelezz | TC-Work loves me since I keep pinging him when I link puns |
| 21:09.38 | haste | olafski: where you build stuff, with blocks |
| 21:09.38 | olafski | hm |
| 21:09.40 | Gnarfoz | olafski: no, it's... well... a game. |
| 21:09.49 | olafski | I figured it was a mining bot :P |
| 21:09.51 | Dagmar | It's kind of crude tho. |
| 21:09.52 | TC-Work | thats not love zenzelezz ...... |
| 21:10.05 | haste | olafski: http://www.minecraft.net/ |
| 21:10.08 | Dagmar | I can see someone at PayPal going "Wait... he's made 60l euros from _that_?" |
| 21:10.10 | olafski | well if he made 600k with it it has to be interesting somehow :) |
| 21:10.14 | Dagmar | er 600k |
| 21:10.15 | Gnarfoz | it's crude but the idea seems to work good enough for him to earn 600k EUR with it |
| 21:10.53 | Dagmar | Doesn't look like something you could easily sell THAT many copies of tho, so money laundering is a possibility |
| 21:11.20 | Gnarfoz | not like paypal ever checked his website before locking his account, though. ;p |
| 21:11.31 | Gnarfoz | shoot first, questions later! |
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| 21:11.39 | Dagmar | I'd think if they looked at the game they'd be more likely to suspect possible money laundering, actually. |
| 21:12.06 | zenzelezz | I guess that's what they are doing now |
| 21:12.12 | haste | olafski: it's fun if you like being creative :P |
| 21:12.12 | Dagmar | It's hard to tell with the way behaviour on the internet is. The STUPIDEST things will rake in a million dollars (like the million dollar pixel ad) |
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| 21:12.45 | olafski | oh I'll skip it then |
| 21:12.47 | Cidan | Does anyone know the name of the default blizzard frame template? |
| 21:12.55 | TC-Work | 600K is peanuts for money launderers |
| 21:13.02 | Dagmar | He'll either get his money access back, or he'll get some new neighbors that don't have a lot of furniture but are strangely well-dressed. |
| 21:13.14 | Dagmar | (i.e., interpol undercover) |
| 21:13.56 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Nah man. Money laundering comes in much smaller volumes than that. Odds are in any major city there's at least one nightclub involved in money laundering. |
| 21:14.32 | olafski | looks rather elaborate just to launder 600k |
| 21:14.34 | Dagmar | There's a lot of leeway for income reported from the bar, for instance, since mixed drinks leave you plenty of room for watering, or tips, and you can't really translate x bottles into y drinks. |
| 21:14.45 | zenzelezz | if I was the criminal sort, I'd set up a high-tech laundromat and do money laundering in the back |
| 21:14.52 | haste | olafski: it's 600k since 25th of august tho' :P |
| 21:14.59 | TC-Work | Dagmar: that wasnt in one day though |
| 21:15.01 | olafski | oh that's quite a lot |
| 21:15.02 | TC-Work | that was over time |
| 21:15.16 | Dagmar | If he got all that in like a week, I'd question it |
| 21:15.27 | TC-Work | the new preorder is out |
| 21:15.29 | TC-Work | thats why i think |
| 21:15.35 | TC-Work | 50% or some such |
| 21:15.45 | haste | Dagmar: he got a lot of exposure rapidly |
| 21:15.53 | TC-Work | thats what she said |
| 21:15.57 | haste | we're talking like a week where it exploded :P |
| 21:16.05 | Gnarfoz | his post is from today, he said they locked it on 2010-08-25, so that's the time frame for probably a major part of the money |
| 21:16.25 | Gnarfoz | stranger things have happened |
| 21:16.27 | Dagmar | haste: I could probably take a crap game, get it blogged a few places, then run some malware games to do small EBT frauds no one would be very likely to notice and it would look the same |
| 21:16.58 | Gnarfoz | always scheming, this evil person |
| 21:17.04 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.36 | Dagmar | Well, I do go by "evilDagmar" on about half the internet |
| 21:19.09 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.46 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.26 | zenzelezz | I find it interesting how you think that staying out of purl's logs will keep your talk off the intarwebs :) |
| 21:20.34 | zenzelezz | but any precaution is better than none |
| 21:20.57 | Dagmar | It beats being picked up in Google. That would just be sloppy. |
| 21:21.42 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.24 | olafski | giggles |
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| 21:24.26 | Ackis | Dagmar: it doesn't look like a crap game... graphics are limited maybe but you should look at some of th videos of what people have done |
| 21:25.11 | nevcairiel | graphics = looks, limited graphis = looks like a crap game =p |
| 21:25.44 | olafski | bad graphics = bad game |
| 21:26.11 | Dagmar | Ackis: The two small screenshots I saw _probably_ didn't do it justice |
| 21:26.41 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: except, not. |
| 21:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | graphics are a tiny fraction of what makes a game good |
| 21:26.54 | root_ | define limited graphics |
| 21:26.55 | Ackis | the video on the home page shows him building a roller coaster and testing it out, I found another one where they built an earth in the game |
| 21:27.00 | Dagmar | I liked the lego sort of look to the landscape and did send myself an email to look into it later tonight |
| 21:27.03 | olafski | I knew someone would bite |
| 21:27.07 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: I wouldn't say a tiny fraction |
| 21:27.08 | olafski | so predictable :> |
| 21:27.17 | Ackis | bites olafski and his gf. |
| 21:27.20 | Ackis | nom om om om |
| 21:27.21 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: meh, i'm bored staring at ant xml files. |
| 21:27.25 | root_ | gj olafski troll away |
| 21:27.31 | olafski | ackis: but it's cool to say you don't care about graphics! |
| 21:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | four hours of that and my mind is rotting. |
| 21:27.40 | Ackis | wait olafski == Fisker? |
| 21:27.46 | olafski | unlikely |
| 21:28.07 | Ackis | olafski: I do care about graphics, but it wouldn't be the purchasing decision for me :P I never bought Crysis |
| 21:28.10 | Dagmar | The guys website kinda hollers "1990's web" too, which isn't what you really expect from a game someone's poured a lot of time ito |
| 21:28.38 | olafski | ackis: there's buying a new game because it has awesome graphics and not buying a new game because it has crap graphics |
| 21:28.40 | Dagmar | At any rate, none of it really leaps out and says "this r legit" which is the main thing |
| 21:28.41 | olafski | they're not the same imo :) |
| 21:28.46 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: "web 0.2" |
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| 21:29.12 | Ackis | www.worldofminecraft.com |
| 21:29.13 | Dagmar | Meh. We were in web 0.8 before I had a graphical monitor |
| 21:29.15 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: seeing as you more or less said you're just trolling, i'll just pass you off as being ignorant, and go about my day :P |
| 21:29.17 | Ackis | one of 3-4 fan sites |
| 21:29.28 | olafski | you do that nighthawkthesane.. I'll pretend I care and go about mine :) |
| 21:29.38 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: yeah, but it's a fun play on the "zomg web 2.0" crap |
| 21:29.45 | Dagmar | Ah heh that it is |
| 21:30.37 | Ackis | aren't we at web 3.0 yet? |
| 21:30.41 | Ackis | wants to upgrade. |
| 21:30.42 | olafski | at least |
| 21:30.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: if you want to be sure |
| 21:30.56 | olafski | I heard they plan to finish the web 3.5 RFC by 2012 |
| 21:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | just start advertising it, maybe some idiot will catch on |
| 21:31.08 | Ackis | should I ask Al Gore what version of the web he's created? |
| 21:31.22 | olafski | is al gore still in the picture? |
| 21:31.27 | olafski | I thought steve jobs owned the web nowadays |
| 21:31.28 | Dagmar | I could probably arrange that but I'd rather not burn that bridge. |
| 21:31.36 | Dagmar | He's not a bad guy |
| 21:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | al gore? |
| 21:31.47 | Ackis | Al Gore invented the itnernet and global warming |
| 21:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no, he's fucking brilliant. |
| 21:31.50 | zenzelezz | excelsior! |
| 21:31.54 | Dagmar | Him and Tipper parting ways is probably a good thing |
| 21:31.56 | olafski | and then he fixed global warming! |
| 21:31.56 | Dagmar | That woman was nuts |
| 21:32.10 | Ackis | fixed as in faked it amiright cogwheel? |
| 21:32.14 | Dagmar | The dude thinks big. |
| 21:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | we could do a LOT worse than have a more people like gore in government |
| 21:32.30 | Dagmar | He basically sits around at home eyeballing the web looking for something big to fix |
| 21:32.41 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: you did do a lot worse... Bush. |
| 21:32.52 | olafski | again with the predictables :< |
| 21:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: i know >< |
| 21:32.53 | Lunessa | That he stayed with her as long as he did calls into question his sanity. |
| 21:32.53 | Ackis | ~rimshot |
| 21:32.53 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 21:33.03 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: give him a tip about Jack Thompson - I'm sure someone like Al Gore has the connections to get him... let's say "silenced" |
| 21:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: of course, by "you", you mean the supreme court |
| 21:33.13 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Okay yeah that too but people tend to handle that sort of thing differently in the deep south |
| 21:33.18 | Ackis | I mean you as in the USA |
| 21:33.28 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You don't have to remind me, I live in Texas. |
| 21:33.30 | Ackis | I'm Canadian, we have our own jackasses |
| 21:33.34 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Oh come on. Jack took care of that all by himself. |
| 21:33.38 | Lunessa | Cretien? |
| 21:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: except "we" didn't do it. :P the courts did. |
| 21:33.55 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: no, he's still sending letters to senators and crap |
| 21:34.06 | Ackis | Lunessa: Mulroney was worse IMO, but pretty much everyone after WW2 sucked donkey balls |
| 21:34.21 | olafski | just googled jack thompson.. seems like a funny man |
| 21:34.30 | olafski | do people like that get taken seriously over there? :< |
| 21:34.39 | zenzelezz | there's a reason he got disbarred |
| 21:34.49 | olafski | I better google disbarred too then :P |
| 21:34.50 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Lots of kooks do that, but few have managed to be as widely discredited as that one |
| 21:35.09 | Dagmar | Pro tip: When being disbarred DON'T PUT GAY PORN IN YOUR DEFENSE DOCS |
| 21:35.12 | Lunessa | Ackis: I used to listen to "As It Happens" for a chance to laugh at Canadian politics as sharp relief from laughing or crying about US politics. |
| 21:35.12 | olafski | ah |
| 21:35.26 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that's good advice |
| 21:35.43 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: A shame no one told Jack. lol |
| 21:35.55 | olafski | I bet it was planted |
| 21:35.57 | olafski | by a gamer |
| 21:36.02 | zenzelezz | clearly |
| 21:36.04 | olafski | maybe someone from rockstar! |
| 21:36.15 | olafski | they clearly have a lot to gain in his disbarment |
| 21:37.03 | Lunessa | Disbarment: The process of telling a person they're too fucked up to be allowed to even practice law. |
| 21:37.23 | olafski | might as well send them to jail |
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| 21:43.04 | zenzelezz | I'm sure this "eagle eye" technology in tennis isn't all that magic, but it impresses me nonetheless |
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| 21:46.26 | Lunessa | You can do things which will make you too fucked up to keep a professional license without becoming criminal. |
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| 21:54.54 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/microsoft-celebrates-windows-phone-7-rtm-with-funeral-parade-for/ <-i like this |
| 21:56.05 | Dagmar | Fisker: They're truly insnae |
| 21:56.07 | Dagmar | er insane |
| 21:56.40 | Lunessa | Who here is going to buy a Windows phone? |
| 21:56.44 | Fisker | They didn't RIP Android so i'm fine with it |
| 21:56.47 | Fisker | I'm not Lunessa |
| 21:56.59 | Fisker | The design and aesthetics of it is absolutely horrible |
| 21:57.03 | Lunessa | I don't think anyone yet takes it seriously. |
| 21:57.22 | Fisker | I saw a preview a couple of days ago |
| 21:57.54 | Fisker | To accept a call you first have to slide down, then click a horrendously rectangular shaped button |
| 21:58.14 | Fisker | Why do i want, what usually took one action, to now take two actions? |
| 21:58.16 | Lunessa | I mean, sure it might have some features, but Microsoft is FAMOUS for taking a long time to finally get it right. |
| 21:58.16 | Dagmar | Being that I've got a Palm 800w and Microsoft never apparently released _any_ patches of merit for it, or any of the other WM phones, I think the chances that I'll have anything to do with a Win7 phone are slightly higher than foot of snow in hell. |
| 21:58.40 | Fisker | Also who the hell wants a homescreen that is x vertical screens of nonsense? |
| 21:58.45 | zenzelezz | for a moment there I thought "800 watts sounds pretty crazy" |
| 21:59.08 | Fisker | that's another horrible practice i sincerely hope they move away from |
| 21:59.18 | Dagmar | Well, it's battery life is okay, but occasionally it *does* decide to keep the screen lit and all the antennas active |
| 21:59.20 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have one of the first Windows Mobile PDAs. I hated it. I played with it for 20 minutes and then GAVE it away. |
| 21:59.42 | augustl | anyone online in the US beta addon author guild? Looking for an invite <3 |
| 22:01.21 | augustl | the new UD quests are sweeet :O |
| 22:01.31 | Lunessa | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/blackberry-torch-review/ - anyone got one of these? |
| 22:01.40 | TC-Work | Lunessa: then it would be had :p |
| 22:02.01 | Lunessa | TC-Work: Yeah, typo. |
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| 22:07.39 | Lunessa | Later. |
| 22:09.08 | Fisker | oh man |
| 22:09.12 | Fisker | i'm rolling out the big guns |
| 22:09.26 | Fisker | http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84620&page=2 |
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| 22:31.38 | bleeter | kicks the beta character copy system |
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| 22:31.57 | bleeter | also kicks the beta where he can only seem to access one of his wow accounts anyways |
| 22:33.13 | Ressy | thats normal. Only 1 account should have beta access. |
| 22:33.33 | Fisker | the other account is the wow ptr account |
| 22:34.51 | bleeter | oh, so I can't copy chars off my primary account? boo :( mind you, can't seem to copy any chars anyway so why me worry. |
| 22:35.03 | Fisker | you can |
| 22:35.23 | Fisker | when you copy characters you can choose which account you want to copy from |
| 22:35.28 | Fisker | they'll just end up on the same account |
| 22:35.59 | bleeter | Fisker: right, 'cept for the bit where every char I copy has 'failed' and the premade copies vanish in to thin air (not even a failed msg). |
| 22:36.30 | bleeter | stabs Fisker with an orange bellied parrot |
| 22:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | this is slightly crazy: http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/10/youtube-instant-job/ |
| 22:38.01 | Fisker | yeah well bleeter |
| 22:38.02 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 22:38.03 | Fisker | :) |
| 22:38.24 | bleeter | and the horse you have stuck up your date, fisker :P |
| 22:38.29 | Fisker | that's pretty neat NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:42.53 | Dagmar | bleeter: You have been selected to roll a worgen. :) |
| 22:46.39 | bleeter | stabs Dagmar with Fisker |
| 22:48.30 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:48.53 | Dagmar | CNN is covering a story about a guy who claimed that his cat jumped on his keyboard and that's how it downloaded 23,000 kiddie porn pics |
| 22:49.10 | Dagmar | 1-2 I can see, sort of. |
| 22:49.18 | Dagmar | 23,000... Nah. |
| 22:49.22 | zenzelezz | im on ur puter, fraeming u |
| 22:49.33 | Dagmar | Yeah that cat's gone _evil_ |
| 23:05.17 | bleeter | now the char copy page is completely bork for me |
| 23:05.21 | tem | Jerub, why did you demote my shaman? |
| 23:05.22 | bleeter | stabs Fisker with Dagmar |
| 23:05.25 | tem | I can't ginvite anymore |
| 23:07.24 | tem | I'm the most active member (8x more active than the second most active) or so says the activity log |
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| 23:10.14 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: archive, maybe |
| 23:10.21 | Gnarfoz | (still unlikely as hell, though) |
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| 23:28.49 | tem | awww |
| 23:28.57 | tem | there's no more constant voicover in deepholm |
| 23:32.03 | tem | ah nevermind |
| 23:32.06 | tem | it's still there |
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| 23:39.15 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 23:39.51 | Maldivia | tem: gluk gluk gluk gluk :) |
| 23:45.40 | Amarande | ok I think Turalyon is damaged this week |
| 23:45.58 | Amarande | not sure why, maybe the zalazane event made something unstable or just attracted too many folks across the battlegroup |
| 23:46.10 | Amarande | but we've been getting more DC's and freezes in raids this week than I've ever seen :| |
| 23:46.26 | Amarande | actually needed two attempts on valithria last night because we had DC's and someone lost their stacks due to lag |
| 23:47.00 | Amarande | ... and my group wiped at least twice on Toravon 10 because healers and tanks kept DC'ing tonight :| |
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