| 00:00.38 | alestane | This makes it basically impossible to forcibly angle most of the flow back toward the shallow side of the table. |
| 00:01.05 | alestane | But what one can do more readily is try to brake or control the degree to which it gets tilted. |
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| 00:01.47 | nicoli_s | money for everybody! |
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| 00:04.11 | nicoli_s | alestane is a dirty communist i see |
| 00:04.39 | alestane | No, communism is that attempt to level the table completely, and it doesn't work. |
| 00:04.50 | nicoli_s | well then yer socialist |
| 00:05.01 | nicoli_s | yer obviously not a patriotic amurican |
| 00:05.33 | alestane | I'm going to assume that the intimation of a redneck accent indicates that you're being facetious. |
| 00:06.00 | nicoli_s | ayuh |
| 00:06.31 | Wobin | CONSERVATIVE TURTLE STACKER! |
| 00:06.49 | alestane | Communism seems to be founded around peoples' supposed willingness to work for no reward. |
| 00:07.01 | alestane | Have you been reading Two Lumps, Wobin? |
| 00:07.02 | nicoli_s | being alive is a reward |
| 00:07.26 | A-KO | I see nothing wrong with a sprinkle of Socialism within a system to encourage the greater good. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive, and there's a rather large amount of gray area. |
| 00:08.12 | Wobin | alestane: naturally =P |
| 00:09.02 | alestane | But yes, when you tell people they can't enjoy any reward for their labor, you get stagnation. If you let them have it, you get inequity. |
| 00:09.22 | A-KO | alestane: interestingly enough, reward isn't necessarily needed for productive results |
| 00:09.25 | A-KO | and in some cases, can hinder that |
| 00:09.39 | A-KO | noting a TED speech he listened to while at the gym last night |
| 00:09.42 | alestane | Some kind of reward is. It's often emotional, rather than tangible. |
| 00:10.07 | alestane | Sounds like Daniel Pink or Mihaly Ciczsentmihaly (sp). |
| 00:10.08 | batbot | alestane, nothing found. |
| 00:10.17 | A-KO | I guess it depends on what you consider a reward. But yes, the promise of physical reward isn't necessarily needed to increase productivity and it can actually hinder innovation and creativity |
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| 00:10.35 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:10.39 | Xyphoid | meanwhile, in socialist hell, all those bureaucratic tangles meant that an earthquake greater than haiti's killed zero people |
| 00:10.42 | A-KO | good guess |
| 00:10.43 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:10.47 | A-KO | yes, it was Daniel Pink |
| 00:10.56 | A-KO | It was interesting to listen to |
| 00:11.00 | A-KO | because for the whole first half of the thing |
| 00:11.01 | A-KO | I'm thinking |
| 00:11.05 | alestane | I read his book Drive. It's pretty interesting. |
| 00:11.07 | A-KO | "dude don't tell my bosses they don't need to give me more $" |
| 00:11.30 | alestane | But there's a flip side to that...people still have a need to feel like they're being treated fairly. |
| 00:11.35 | A-KO | yeah |
| 00:11.41 | alestane | And they still need to meet their basic demands. |
| 00:11.47 | A-KO | also notes /. article that points $75K is minimum for happiness :P |
| 00:12.09 | nicoli_s | i dunno if i agree with that |
| 00:12.16 | nicoli_s | i make slightly less and im quite happy |
| 00:12.18 | alestane | Money doesn't buy happiness, but it does make it easier to remove the obstacles. |
| 00:12.32 | A-KO | http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/la-heb-money-20100906,0,7805444.story |
| 00:12.39 | A-KO | nicoli_s: are you with a spouse? |
| 00:12.50 | alestane | However, it's quite easy to make buckets of money and completely fail to apply it to making yourself happier. |
| 00:13.12 | nicoli_s | A-KO:nope |
| 00:13.14 | A-KO | alestane: true, but there comes a point where the basic needs are covered--financial security being met. |
| 00:13.22 | nicoli_s | but she doesnt make but a pittance |
| 00:13.24 | A-KO | financial, food, health |
| 00:13.40 | A-KO | nicoli_s: If the pay is enough to boost you over 75K, then yeah :P |
| 00:13.50 | nicoli_s | nah, she only makes like 3 or 4 grand a year |
| 00:14.00 | alestane | When your needs are met, and you feel like you're being valued, rather than exploited, then extra money beyond that rarely makes you more productive. |
| 00:14.31 | A-KO | yes alestane |
| 00:14.37 | A-KO | being valued is the key point |
| 00:14.57 | A-KO | I rather agreed with the latter half of Pink's assertions |
| 00:15.30 | A-KO | Unfortunately, I question whether or not his ideals can work in society. I know a lot of people that are pretty damn lazy, not to mention (at least, again, in the US), we've raised people with the idea of work work work work work, not get anything done. |
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| 00:16.48 | alestane | Part of his assertion, though, is that lazy is an acquired trait, often in fact promoted by that treatment. |
| 00:17.01 | A-KO | Perhaps. |
| 00:17.05 | alestane | It's not the kind of change that happens overnight. |
| 00:17.48 | alestane | But there are already signs that it's setting down roots, and I think that as time goes by, it will prove more robust than the current model. |
| 00:17.58 | A-KO | All I know is, all through school, and all through the working world--I've met a larger amount of people that will put off doing things simply because they can |
| 00:18.18 | A-KO | was the kinda guy in HS group projects that pretty much did everything because everyone else would slack off until the end. |
| 00:18.29 | alestane | Because they don't feel any accomplishment, usually. |
| 00:18.49 | A-KO | yeah, but that sounds like a personal problem to me. |
| 00:19.04 | nicoli_s | ditto here A-KO |
| 00:19.07 | A-KO | People who work to work and not do something because they enjoy doing it, with being paid for it. |
| 00:19.14 | alestane | In school you get handed a lot of stuff to do that you often don't find personally rewarding. |
| 00:19.27 | A-KO | You could offer me $200K/year to clean shit 10 hours per day and I wouldn't do it |
| 00:19.58 | alestane | But I've known people who will take any job and do it so that they can be proud of doing it well. |
| 00:20.00 | A-KO | I'd go nuts from the repetitive nature of the task within hours. |
| 00:20.14 | alestane | The other key is that what we find fulfilling isn't a constant. |
| 00:20.21 | nicoli_s | not me, i could save enough money to be able to start some other business alot faster making that kind of money |
| 00:20.47 | A-KO | alestane: Well, that's another discussion, but I'd vote to change the education system to promote doing things people enjoy moreso than promoting people to do things they're completely uninterested in. |
| 00:21.05 | alestane | The current educational system is an industrial-age holdover. |
| 00:21.16 | alestane | Read Pink's book some time, it's worth the time. |
| 00:21.21 | A-KO | I ought to. |
| 00:21.38 | alestane | And yes, our school system was designed to create good little factory sheep. |
| 00:22.00 | alestane | It's pretty short, see if the library has it. |
| 00:22.13 | A-KO | yeah, it's why I almost quit when I was 16 and went to college to start a career earlier :P the only thing that held me back was the fact that nobody in my house had a diploma and I was intent on not maintaining the status quo... |
| 00:22.46 | alestane | But that book actually made me feel hopeful. |
| 00:24.00 | A-KO | some companies are doing it, right now my company does it about half-way. |
| 00:24.04 | A-KO | they don't do enough to encourage it though |
| 00:24.09 | A-KO | still too many people in the way |
| 00:25.23 | alestane | Like I said, it takes time, and it takes moving people around or waiting for them to go away, because not everyone adjusts to it. |
| 00:25.30 | Wobin | <alestane> Read Pink's book some time, it's worth the time. <-- I read that and thought.. "She wrote a book... on education?" |
| 00:25.48 | alestane | But just because we can't make something happen today, doesn't mean it can never happen. |
| 00:26.16 | A-KO | You know |
| 00:26.23 | A-KO | out of everything in my education I regret the most |
| 00:26.31 | A-KO | it's not having learned a foreign language earlier on |
| 00:26.35 | A-KO | from like a child age |
| 00:26.42 | A-KO | not that I had that choice here |
| 00:26.49 | A-KO | but man |
| 00:26.55 | A-KO | the opportunities would be just so much greater |
| 00:27.17 | Motig | what language would you have liked to learn? |
| 00:28.15 | A-KO | Motig: Anything, really. French, Spanish, Mandarin....it's arguable as to which has some more practical use.......but it would certainly make the choice of living place easier..... |
| 00:28.36 | Motig | Alright |
| 00:28.49 | Motig | so I take it you only learned English now then |
| 00:28.52 | A-KO | yes |
| 00:29.21 | alestane | And the rewards of language learning aren't only material, either. you expose yourself to whole new shapes of thought. |
| 00:29.31 | A-KO | It's interesting--because, I know plenty of people who took English in school and know it quite fluently......but I can't really travel to their country and know *only* English.....even though so many people learn it.... |
| 00:30.01 | Motig | I'm pretty sure you'd be fine with just English in The Netherlands |
| 00:30.13 | A-KO | I dunno about that |
| 00:30.28 | A-KO | that's one of the places I've looked :P |
| 00:30.30 | Motig | everybody gets taught English here |
| 00:30.33 | A-KO | sure |
| 00:30.36 | TC-Work | i want to learn latin but it's so hard to find anywhere that teaches it |
| 00:30.48 | A-KO | but that doesn't mean everyday conversation is English, nor could I adequately conduct business in English |
| 00:32.05 | Motig | Well obviously people would speak their mother language where possible |
| 00:32.20 | Motig | but I'm fairly sure doing business in English wouldn't be a problem at all |
| 00:32.30 | A-KO | hm |
| 00:32.34 | A-KO | interesting |
| 00:32.48 | Adys | 334 new icons |
| 00:32.50 | Adys | \o/ |
| 00:32.55 | A-KO | huh Adys? |
| 00:33.07 | Adys | since last build |
| 00:33.12 | A-KO | oh |
| 00:33.56 | Motig | I had to learn English, French and German and obviously Dutch on highschool =p |
| 00:34.19 | A-KO | Motig: I've considered .nl for a place of living |
| 00:34.25 | A-KO | the education there I hear is relatively inexpensive |
| 00:34.31 | A-KO | and the benefits for students are win |
| 00:34.34 | A-KO | great if I want kids |
| 00:34.43 | A-KO | reduced/free metro |
| 00:34.44 | A-KO | etc. |
| 00:34.49 | A-KO | it's like wtf |
| 00:34.54 | A-KO | that's Utopia compared to the US |
| 00:35.49 | Motig | public transport is free for students (some rules/conditions apply) and if someone travels with you he or she gets discount yes |
| 00:36.08 | Motig | obviously you have to request it and there's more to it then just free traveling :p |
| 00:37.16 | Motig | but yeah I don't think English would really form a barrier |
| 00:38.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/ability_mount_seahorse.png |
| 00:38.22 | Adys | holy high res |
| 00:38.26 | Motig | it would depend on where you are in the country though I guess |
| 00:39.49 | nicoli_s | they all like that adys? |
| 00:39.55 | Adys | a few of them yeah |
| 00:40.01 | nicoli_s | nice |
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| 00:47.03 | Adys | nicoli_s: http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/icons.html |
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| 00:50.44 | Xtek | Adys, he left the office. |
| 00:50.57 | Adys | Well that's too bad for him |
| 00:50.57 | Adys | ISNT IT |
| 00:51.09 | Xtek | YES |
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| 01:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS389US389&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:Kaster |
| 01:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm wikipedia trolling |
| 01:23.32 | cralor | -_- |
| 01:23.33 | Thunder_Child | sqee, new keyboard |
| 01:31.14 | Legorol | mm, I feel good. I haven't created a new AddOn for a long time. This week I made two (albeit very tiny ones) for personal use. Such a satisfying thing to do. |
| 01:31.46 | Legorol | Undoubtedly AddOns add an element of fun to WoW :) I missed it |
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| 01:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100908/od_yblog_upshot/canada-unveils-new-speed-bump-optical-illusions-of-children |
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| 01:38.36 | Shirik | ok guys |
| 01:38.41 | Shirik | You have subjects and verbs in sentences |
| 01:38.44 | Shirik | what's the thing the verb acts upon |
| 01:38.50 | Shirik | "Harry slapped Jane" what is Jane? |
| 01:39.22 | Xyphoid | object |
| 01:39.33 | Xyphoid | wait, the subject is the thing the verb acts on |
| 01:39.39 | Xyphoid | harry is the object, jane is the subject |
| 01:40.47 | Xyphoid | wait+, i'm completely backwards |
| 01:41.21 | Xyphoid | i was right the first time, Jane is the object |
| 01:43.08 | alestane | Harry - subject. slapped Jane - transtive-verb predicate; slapped - verb, Jane - object. |
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| 01:59.35 | Adys | Anyone still running chrome 5? |
| 02:03.15 | cralor | If you'd like, Adys, I could install it and help you out |
| 02:03.29 | Adys | nah dont worry its not too important |
| 02:03.39 | cralor | Okay |
| 02:05.11 | cralor | So I'm installing Windows 7 on a freshly put together computer, and receive the "Windows could not retrieve information about the disks on this computer." error... |
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| 02:36.29 | DWSR | cralor: Nice. |
| 02:36.35 | DWSR | Windows 7 refused to install on my gaming rig. |
| 02:36.38 | DWSR | Doesn't like the disk drive |
| 02:39.03 | cralor | You get the same thing? |
| 02:42.28 | Adys | kd3: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=154862 |
| 02:43.45 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:43.49 | DWSR | The installer just hung for an hour. |
| 02:43.51 | DWSR | Literally. |
| 02:44.42 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:45.07 | kd3 | finally, some sanity from the package |
| 02:45.51 | cralor | Wow |
| 02:47.14 | DWSR | Anyone know how to add an event to a specific calendar in Google Calendar, instead of just the default Personal? |
| 02:47.19 | DWSR | Using Quick Add, preferably. |
| 02:47.48 | kd3 | I quick add it to the default then change calendars when it's added |
| 02:48.03 | Adys | brb installing drivers |
| 02:48.17 | DWSR | Yeah, that's painful when I'm mass adding my work schedule for a month |
| 02:48.27 | kd3 | hm |
| 02:49.36 | Yssaril | where do i need to go to get 310% flying on beta? |
| 02:49.45 | kd3 | any flight trainer |
| 02:49.56 | kd3 | say, the one in sw by the flight master (for alliance) |
| 02:50.08 | Yssaril | thanks |
| 02:50.36 | Wobin | ooh nice |
| 02:50.38 | Wobin | anyone in LA? |
| 02:50.41 | Wobin | http://www.laughstub.com/improv/buy.cfm?id=54719 |
| 02:51.01 | Wobin | Free tickets to an improv comedy session with Adam Hills |
| 02:51.11 | Adys | EDIT: I forgot to mention, that fglrx is also full of hacks. For example, if I name a binary as compiz or compizXXXX or compiz<insert anything there>, glGenProgramsARB doesn't work (as in glGenProgramsARB(1, &x) always returns x == 0) (this has been tested on two systems running fglrx). This bug/hack/optimization breaks some of compiz functionality; changing the name of compiz's binary makes it's performance unusable: it takes about two seconds just to sw |
| 02:51.11 | Adys | itch focus from one window to another, expo looks like a slideshow and etc. I'm just simply tired of fighting with fglrx. |
| 02:51.16 | Adys | kd3 ^ rofl |
| 02:51.19 | Wobin | (Highly recommended, cause he's funny as all get out) |
| 02:51.43 | kd3 | adys; wtf |
| 02:51.51 | Adys | yeh. |
| 02:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to know that my hate of fglrx from years back remains for a valid reason |
| 02:52.12 | Adys | dude, your hate of fglrx wasn't hateful enough |
| 02:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Clearly |
| 02:52.21 | Adys | hate more while I update my nvidia drivers |
| 02:52.22 | Adys | afk |
| 02:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Last time I used it was with a 9700pro |
| 02:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And it sounds like very little has changed |
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| 02:55.33 | Adys | Oh sweeeeetttttt |
| 02:55.44 | cralor | Besides the Windows CD, what is a reliable Boot CD for reformatting? |
| 02:55.51 | Adys | xorg 1.9 perf regressions in 25x fixed in 260 |
| 02:56.05 | Adys | cralor: any linux distro livecd |
| 02:56.15 | Adys | ubuntu's live cd prolly best bet |
| 02:56.24 | Wobin | +1 on the livecd |
| 02:56.59 | cralor | Ah... actually I think I have one :P |
| 02:57.00 | cralor | thanks |
| 02:57.09 | Adys | kd3: this is sweet performance |
| 02:57.19 | Adys | boots up cataclysm and benchmarks d3d10 |
| 02:57.32 | kd3 | whistles |
| 02:58.35 | Adys | epeens |
| 02:58.58 | Adys | kd3: shadows on fair, rest on ultra, 1440x900 windowed, d3d |
| 02:59.03 | Adys | 94 fps in vashjir |
| 02:59.03 | Adys | :) |
| 02:59.10 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:59.38 | Adys | thats a 9800gtx+ |
| 02:59.46 | Parnic | oh boy, the US beta is allowing premade copies now. joy of joys |
| 03:00.08 | Adys | kd3: shadows on ultra, 55 fps |
| 03:00.19 | Adys | actually more like 45 |
| 03:00.21 | Adys | but still |
| 03:00.46 | Parnic | adys: this is through a windows emulator on linux? |
| 03:00.55 | Adys | wine's not an emulator |
| 03:01.12 | Adys | OH |
| 03:01.13 | Adys | supersweet |
| 03:01.18 | Adys | they fixed the dual monitor regression |
| 03:01.26 | Parnic | well whatever. this is on linux you're talking about? |
| 03:01.26 | Adys | I am happy once again |
| 03:01.31 | Adys | yes Parnic |
| 03:02.18 | Adys | now to pray for a sound fix =( |
| 03:02.34 | Yssaril | wow did they make all mounts skale to your highest skill level? |
| 03:02.46 | Adys | all the epic mounts yes |
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| 03:05.12 | Yssaril | Adys: i am getting that for all mounts |
| 03:05.15 | Amarande | Yssaril: wait, so once you buy 310% flying you get 310% on ALL your epic flying mounts? |
| 03:05.23 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:05.26 | Amarande | w00t. |
| 03:05.36 | Yssaril | Amarande: i am getting 310 on ALL flying mounts |
| 03:05.45 | Yssaril | not just the epic ones |
| 03:05.47 | Motig | can you tell us something about the thing you bought yet Amarande!?!?!??!?!? |
| 03:05.51 | Motig | just kidding =P |
| 03:06.00 | Yssaril | also all my ground mounts are 100% even the old 60% ones |
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| 03:06.09 | Yssaril | can someone verify this? |
| 03:06.15 | Adys | that's odd, but nice if it's intended |
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| 03:18.34 | Amarande | +9 stam bonus on a DK tank item: still use Solid Majestic Zircon, or is a purple gem better? (One socket is red.) |
| 03:19.26 | Amarande | also: with this new level based tiering system of bosses in Cata ... does this mean after the first tier we need 102.4% avoidance again? |
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| 03:22.36 | DWSR | Yssaril: Intended, I believe. |
| 03:23.07 | Yssaril | DWSR: lets hope so it will make things alot easier |
| 03:23.46 | Xyphoid | shame it's not a per-mount upgrade or something, i think the game needs more money sinks |
| 03:24.28 | mikma | amarande: just one purple is enough :) |
| 03:24.30 | Amarande | Xyphoid, that's what Traveler's Tundra Mammoths and motorcycles are for :) |
| 03:25.18 | mikma | amarande: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Alonsus&cn=Oe |
| 03:26.25 | cralor | Adys: is the reformat in the OS or as a direct option on the Live CD? |
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| 03:37.00 | mikma | haste: old, http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/attack.jpg |
| 03:39.55 | Adys | cralor: you can do it off the live cd |
| 03:39.58 | Adys | gparted |
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| 04:07.20 | tekkub | so is Iriel awake? |
| 04:07.57 | Iriel | I dont know |
| 04:08.20 | cralor | yeah, i figured out ... just went to terminal |
| 04:09.27 | tekkub | gonna need a guild invite or twelve here in a few min Iriel |
| 04:10.12 | tekkub | and where the hell is Esamynn|Away |
| 04:15.58 | Iriel | i'll log in shortly |
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| 04:18.30 | Iriel | tekkub: Fraction in the hizzouse |
| 04:21.12 | Amarande | heh, this is not so good a night for us in our guild ... |
| 04:21.25 | Amarande | I'm trying to grind out the last 3 points of polearms, and my guildie's trying to find khorium. :) |
| 04:21.49 | Parnic | screw weapon skills! blizzard agrees! |
| 04:22.59 | tekkub | Iriel: yea char copy is being a dick, please hold |
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| 04:25.34 | cralor | What steps do I take to add new files to my repo? |
| 04:25.55 | cralor | I added them, then TortoiseSVN says to add "svn:eol-style" to new files |
| 04:25.58 | cralor | so i did, but still same error |
| 04:26.28 | Parnic | the easiest method is to set the eol-style globally. there's a page in the KB on how to do that with tortoisesvn |
| 04:26.44 | cralor | ok |
| 04:28.40 | cralor | remember what the name of the article was? |
| 04:30.31 | cralor | got it |
| 04:32.28 | Torhal | Adys: Damn you. You make me want a new board/CPU |
| 04:32.48 | Adys | why? |
| 04:33.11 | Torhal | Because we have the same graphics card and you kill me with your FPS. :D |
| 04:33.48 | Adys | Torhal: OS? |
| 04:34.03 | Torhal | Gentoo |
| 04:34.50 | cralor | Parnic: still got the error :S |
| 04:35.19 | Parnic | did you find the KB article on setting the property per-file? |
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| 04:36.12 | cralor | does that mean i dont need to do it per file? |
| 04:36.21 | cralor | i did the config file thing |
| 04:36.35 | Parnic | sometimes if a file already exists when you set it on all of tortoisesvn, you may have to go ahead and set it on that file manually anyway |
| 04:36.39 | Parnic | there's a KB page on doing both |
| 04:36.50 | cralor | alright well i did both |
| 04:36.52 | Parnic | or i think there is at least. i haven't in a while |
| 04:36.59 | Parnic | then idk, sounds like something's not setup :) |
| 04:37.14 | cralor | got it :) |
| 04:37.27 | cralor | the eol-style's didn't have 'svn:' preceding, even if i typed in |
| 04:37.31 | cralor | so i deleted and re-made |
| 04:37.43 | tem | THE DOOR IS A JAR |
| 04:37.44 | cralor | Thanks for the continued help! |
| 04:37.50 | tem | enjoy your mental breakdown |
| 04:39.04 | Thunder_Child | to late tem, much to late |
| 04:41.17 | Parnic | to late or not to late |
| 04:44.09 | cralor | Do I have to wait for the curse database to fully update before I can commit to a recently re-named project? |
| 04:44.28 | Arrowmaster | cralor: youll have to wait but it shouldnt be very long |
| 04:44.40 | cralor | Well everything has changed, but URL's still contain older name |
| 04:48.36 | Parnic | ~ping |
| 04:48.36 | purl | ~pong |
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| 04:52.59 | Yssaril | bah any one know why blizzard decided to lockdown the world map frame during combat (all sorts of taint when you try to mess with it during combat) |
| 04:53.27 | Shadowed | The POI stuff is secure |
| 04:53.38 | Shadowed | which made the world map secure |
| 04:53.55 | Shadowed | Which is kind of odd, since I can't think of any advantage you get if it wasn't secure, but that's why |
| 04:54.10 | Yssaril | Shadowed: it seams to have gotten worse than that though mapster works fine on live but breaks on beta (same with yssbossloot) |
| 04:54.26 | Shadowed | Mmm, I don't think they changed anything major with the map in CC |
| 04:54.33 | Corrodias | because they want you to stop making all those damn open source addons |
| 04:54.45 | Corrodias | *fist shake* |
| 04:54.56 | Yssaril | Shadowed: thats what i thought /sigh |
| 04:57.18 | Iriel | My guess is it might be related to AVR style overlays |
| 04:57.24 | Iriel | in 2d |
| 04:57.37 | Nechckn | My thought, exactly, Iriel |
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| 04:58.17 | Shadowed | Oh they did add AVR style overlays didn't they? |
| 04:58.56 | Yssaril | they added what? |
| 04:58.59 | Nechckn | More to prevent folks from adding their own. |
| 04:59.20 | Nechckn | Especially dynamically updating types. |
| 05:02.38 | IQgryn | So my addon can be updated to work with Cata without breaking live; should I add it to the beta section? |
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| 05:15.21 | Wobin | Yssaril: You totally need to rename that addon to YssBossLsst |
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| 05:16.01 | Yssaril | lol |
| 05:21.18 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 05:21.23 | Fisker | but not so hey Shadowed |
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| 05:30.30 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 05:30.35 | Fisker | you guys are fucked up |
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| 05:37.56 | Jerub | has anyone decoded the on wire format for world of warcraft |
| 05:38.14 | Jerub | i'm wondering if it would be possible to do AVR by doing a directx overlay based on data on the wire... |
| 05:40.15 | IQgryn | Might be possible, but it'd be against the TOS. |
| 05:41.34 | Jerub | IQgryn: under australian law they're not allowed to deny me from reverse engineering for the purpose of interopability. |
| 05:41.59 | Dagmar | Jeus |
| 05:42.20 | Dagmar | I am *still* baffled about WTF I'm supposed to do in FFXIV |
| 05:42.40 | IQgryn | Heh, I guess you could call that interoperability, dunno if it'd hold up in court. Either way, they could take your account if they caught you. |
| 05:42.43 | Dagmar | Jerub: That's not interoperability. |
| 05:43.34 | Dagmar | Seriously, man. No judge will see it that way. |
| 05:45.34 | Jerub | Dagmar: meh, we've got pretty smart judges. but that's only here. |
| 05:46.03 | Jerub | sony lost the modchips case, for instance. |
| 05:46.36 | Jerub | and it's not like it'll ever see a courtroom. blizz would just cancel the accounts because they can do that. |
| 05:46.53 | IQgryn | Sony didn't have you sign a contract to not use those when you bought the console though. Also, they sued (and won) the makers of Glider. |
| 05:47.14 | Jerub | IQgryn: glider wasn't in australia. |
| 05:47.23 | Amarande | doesn't the console have an end user license agreement? I can't remember now. |
| 05:47.43 | Dagmar | The traffic isn't *that* hard to figure out, but if a judge hears that Blizz explicitly forbade that functionality in the past, and you're just using a different method to try to get around that, the Judge is going to side with Blizz |
| 05:48.08 | Jerub | forbade what? interoprating? pfft. it'd get laughed out. |
| 05:48.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: The console _repeatedly_ makes you reack their agreement |
| 05:48.15 | Dagmar | Forbade AVR. |
| 05:48.24 | Corrodias | i do not recall any such agreement with my consoles |
| 05:48.28 | Corrodias | for their online services, yes |
| 05:48.35 | Jerub | "omg, they wrote software we didn't want them to write" "lolwat?" |
| 05:48.43 | Dagmar | Half the games you get holler for a PS3 update |
| 05:48.51 | Dagmar | Every time you update it you have to do that dumb dialog again |
| 05:49.15 | Corrodias | aah, right, the "system software" crap |
| 05:49.47 | Dagmar | Jerub: Have fun with that idea. Legally you would be looking at the same problem the Glider folks did with respect to interference |
| 05:50.05 | Dagmar | tortuous whatever the hell it was |
| 05:50.13 | Corrodias | it's weird to say it, but the OS is one of the last refuges of sanity in a control-crazy world. and even then they're careful about licensing. |
| 05:50.26 | Dagmar | But seriously... if you *need* AVR, you don't need AVR. |
| 05:50.29 | Corrodias | OS of a PC, i mean. |
| 05:50.29 | Dagmar | You *need* to learn how to play. |
| 05:50.42 | IQgryn | ^ |
| 05:50.47 | Corrodias | you can run any app you want on windows. jesus, how does microsoft make any money?!?!?! |
| 05:50.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: ahh, I haven't used the PS3 yet. |
| 05:50.57 | Amarande | I've only had PS1, PS2, and classic Xbox. |
| 05:53.09 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 05:54.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:54.43 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 05:54.45 | Fisker | FOR FREE |
| 05:55.15 | Fisker | actually a pretty decent offer Shirik |
| 05:55.27 | Corrodias | what would it take to get you to hate me? |
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| 06:21.59 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:22.00 | Fisker | SHIRIK |
| 06:22.08 | Fisker | i'm downloading like 30GB of windows updates |
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| 06:29.08 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 06:29.14 | Fisker | Shirik thinks he can stop me :( |
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| 06:43.26 | unfo- | Fisker, WSUS? |
| 06:43.53 | unfo- | n updates * m languages * o operating systems |
| 06:53.34 | cralor | How come, when I Switch in TortoiseSVN, it changes my URL and then tell me it's wrong. .../mainline/trunk auto changes to .../mainline , and then tells me it is wrong ;S |
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| 07:04.59 | bitmouse | hey anybody around that would be willing to send me a Scroll of Resurrection, US? |
| 07:05.53 | cralor | I will |
| 07:06.01 | bitmouse | sweet |
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| 07:34.42 | Fisker | nope unfo- |
| 07:34.46 | Fisker | i want to make my own slipstream |
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| 07:35.08 | Fisker | unfortunately the only bulk update release Microsoft do is isos with ~all supported languages and OS' |
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| 07:48.35 | Wobin | http://www.27bslash6.com/foggot.html |
| 07:48.42 | Wobin | the man's trolling ability is scarily good |
| 07:50.39 | Wobin | especially the last bit |
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| 08:05.49 | Fisker | bitches |
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| 08:27.18 | Sixen | LOL wobin |
| 08:27.26 | Sixen | "Yes you will." |
| 08:27.30 | Sixen | pro |
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| 08:39.39 | batrick | man crypto people should not be allowed to design APIs |
| 08:39.46 | batrick | libcrypto is a steaming pile of shit |
| 08:40.28 | zenzio | so you're saying libcrypto's API could be considered cryptic? |
| 08:41.59 | batrick | har har |
| 08:42.16 | batrick | seriously go look at it |
| 08:42.20 | batrick | it's got reference counting and shit |
| 08:42.25 | batrick | it's rediculous |
| 08:43.04 | zenzio | wasn't questioning your assessment |
| 08:43.22 | zenzio | granted I'm not the most awesome coder, I've seen enough tedious/bad libraries |
| 08:51.49 | zenzio | oh good, hippie bear... http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/september/cataclysm_druid_troll_bear.jpg |
| 09:03.05 | zenzio | Shirik, seriously... stop messing with Photoshop: http://roflrazzi.com/2010/09/08/celebrity-pictures-pulp-fiction-star-trek/ |
| 09:06.01 | Dagmar | Yep. I'm *so* making a worgen druid |
| 09:06.14 | Dagmar | Bearowulf |
| 09:08.36 | zenzio | Dagmar: :-p |
| 09:10.01 | Dagmar | FFXIV feels like playing through molasses |
| 09:10.30 | Dagmar | Initiate dialog with a vendor -- about 3 seconds |
| 09:10.46 | Dagmar | Opening "Buy items" dialog option -- another 5 seconds |
| 09:11.01 | Dagmar | Actually inidcating you want to buy something -- ~3-4 seconds |
| 09:11.12 | Dagmar | *CONFIRMING* you want to buy it... pfft |
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| 09:19.42 | Wobin | Cairenn: haha http://www.furaffinity.net/full/4012790/ <-- FOX |
| 09:20.13 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 09:23.56 | Humbedooh | daaw |
| 09:25.56 | mitch0 | almost as bad as cats |
| 09:26.50 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 09:26.54 | Humbedooh | foxes are teh best |
| 09:30.57 | Humbedooh | aaaw, he has a husky too :\ |
| 09:31.00 | Humbedooh | I'ma gonna steal it |
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| 10:07.50 | cbreak_work | damn americans... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/report-acta-secrecy-is-all-the-united-states-fault.ars :) |
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| 10:38.14 | zenzio | http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2010/09/then-and-now.html |
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| 11:05.46 | zenzio | what's this... only one of 27 spam mail on Gmail were WoW scams this time :-o |
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| 12:49.36 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:49.47 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. *hug* |
| 12:49.58 | zenzio | so what's moose doing lately? |
| 12:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | Let's see...broke one of my solar lights two nights ago. Dragged the toilet paper all around the apartment last night.... I think I like Rosie better! |
| 12:50.48 | zenzio | hehehe |
| 12:51.12 | zenzio | is she still just acting up because she's not the sole princess anymore, or is she just... well, being catty? |
| 12:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | I just honestly have no idea! |
| 12:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | She's always dragged around the toilet paper when she's bored. The solar light is a new fun thing. |
| 12:55.25 | alestane | Bad placement is bad: http://i.imgur.com/LOAMZ.jpg?ref=nf |
| 12:56.11 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:56.13 | Humbedooh | hrrr |
| 12:56.18 | zenzio | heh |
| 12:57.02 | myrkraverk | I had the audacity to ask for guardian unit IDs in the european UI/macro forum: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574459220&sid=1 |
| 12:57.17 | myrkraverk | It's probably the worst place to ask though ;-P |
| 12:57.35 | Kalroth | Good luck getting Blizzard to read the EU forums |
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| 12:58.00 | myrkraverk | Yeah, I guess I'll have to apply for a job there and continue to read the EU forums ;) |
| 13:00.03 | myrkraverk | Now, I have been wondering, *why* do people prefer vent over the built-in voice communication? |
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| 13:01.17 | myrkraverk | Isn't that a failure at Blizzard? |
| 13:01.17 | Humbedooh | 'cause it doesn't web scale |
| 13:01.26 | myrkraverk | What's web scale? |
| 13:01.43 | Humbedooh | it's the magic buzz word with no meaning! |
| 13:01.53 | myrkraverk | Ah, had to be something. |
| 13:02.08 | Humbedooh | it's like...an iPhone analogy |
| 13:02.19 | Humbedooh | there's no actual factual reason, it's mostly a fashion thing |
| 13:02.34 | Humbedooh | people decided it was "lame" or whatever they could think of |
| 13:02.46 | myrkraverk | It should be easy to add a web scale though, just add eu.wowarmory.com/<server>/<guild>/scale |
| 13:02.56 | alestane | Most people will tell you that it's because sound quality is poorer on the built-in voice chat. |
| 13:03.04 | Humbedooh | personally, I don't see much of a difference between the in-game, vent, teamspeak etc etc |
| 13:03.15 | mitch0 | when it started, it had issues |
| 13:03.26 | alestane | And most of the people who felt a need for voice chat were already using independent voice chat. |
| 13:03.27 | myrkraverk | alestane, well, one real problem that vent fixes is when one person has low volume. |
| 13:03.31 | mitch0 | and most guilds already had vent/etc set up |
| 13:03.37 | Lopeppeppy | System wise, I've always preferred to run my voice chat on a separate machine. |
| 13:03.40 | myrkraverk | vent allows us to boost individual voices |
| 13:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 13:04.20 | alestane | But also, voice chat wasn't added to burn out Vent and Teamspeak, just to make sure that all WoW players had access to voice chat. |
| 13:04.32 | mitch0 | that reminds me: is there any way of hiding that stupid frame that's (probably) displaying the current speaker's name? |
| 13:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | And if a raid member is having system issues, they can still log into Vent and give a status update so the rain can replace them. |
| 13:05.09 | Sliker | mitch0: disable voice chat, otherwise no, at least not with the default ui |
| 13:05.24 | myrkraverk | Lopeppeppy, Yes, just add the web scale to wow voice and we can talk through the armory ;) |
| 13:05.31 | alestane | If, say, heroic pugs were harder, I think we might see voice chat used for them more often, but most people don't feel the need to coordinate. |
| 13:06.10 | myrkraverk | alestane, And Undergeared strictly forbid voice communication to make sure people are good enough to raid in the guild. |
| 13:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to talk through the Armory. Why should I need to use a web browser for voice chat? |
| 13:06.24 | mitch0 | sliker: well, it wouldn't bother me that much if it sticked to where I place it. but somehow it randomly pops up at unexpected places ;) |
| 13:06.26 | myrkraverk | Undergeared = guild that raids ICC in blue gear. |
| 13:06.47 | alestane | Go them. |
| 13:07.00 | alestane | ...Have they actually killed anything? |
| 13:07.05 | myrkraverk | They've got PP down to 800k last saturday. |
| 13:07.22 | myrkraverk | So they've killed at least that many to get there. |
| 13:07.45 | mitch0 | do they use GearScore? :) |
| 13:07.46 | myrkraverk | Or should I say "we" - I have a level 10 warlock in the guild. |
| 13:08.11 | myrkraverk | mitch0, of course. How else would they enforce their maximum GS requirement? ;) |
| 13:09.11 | myrkraverk | Ok, I'm going to ask for individual voice boost in the suggestion forum. |
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| 13:15.55 | myrkraverk | Done, for whatever good that does. |
| 13:17.06 | alestane | More than doing nothing, presumably. |
| 13:18.34 | myrkraverk | Yes. |
| 13:18.55 | myrkraverk | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574459234&sid=1 |
| 13:18.59 | myrkraverk | In case you want to read the post. |
| 13:20.08 | myrkraverk | I'm sure there are many ways to improve the voice chat. I just think this is the most important one right now. |
| 13:20.09 | alestane | Okay, a password with letters, numbers and a symbol rates as "weak." Changing one of the letters to upper-case increases this to "good." What do they consider stronger? |
| 13:20.43 | myrkraverk | VrTxttyz0r[z]2 |
| 13:21.00 | alestane | Being at least 10 characters, apparently. |
| 13:21.18 | zenzio | your password needs at least two non-printable characters |
| 13:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 13:22.04 | myrkraverk | I try to use 20 character passwords, but too many web sites and such silently truncate it down to 16 characters and then when logging in they hash the entire thing = fail. |
| 13:22.21 | alestane | It seems like their password rater could have been doing validation, too. |
| 13:22.45 | alestane | Since apparently they restrict to alphanumerics, but they don't tell you that until you submit the password. |
| 13:23.40 | myrkraverk | alestane, that's a little better than silently truncate passwords. I've had to try shortening my password when trying to log in in the hope that is the issue. |
| 13:24.26 | myrkraverk | I don't understand why they restrict to 16 characters. The passwords are stored as fixed length hashes anyway. |
| 13:24.49 | alestane | Well, right, but since they've got this little script running on the page that tells you how good they consider your password, it seems like it could have set the meter to "INVALID" when I typed a #. |
| 13:25.02 | myrkraverk | Yeah. |
| 13:25.26 | myrkraverk | Sometimes I really want to bash in the heads of all the idiot coders out there that are presumably "pro" |
| 13:25.49 | myrkraverk | Though I guess that would be a lifetime full time job. |
| 13:26.08 | alestane | Now, it's not really an "idiot" mistake. Interface design is only beginning to emerge as a formal field of expertise. |
| 13:26.16 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 13:26.18 | alestane | It's room for improvement, to be sure. |
| 13:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | This makes me cry |
| 13:26.29 | myrkraverk | Idiots are still idiots. |
| 13:26.38 | alestane | What does, Peppy? |
| 13:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | Interface design isn't a new thing... perhaps in the way you're thinking of it, but as a concept, it's not new. |
| 13:28.53 | alestane | The problems have been around for a while. |
| 13:29.09 | zenzio | interface design dates back roughly to when people started making computers |
| 13:29.20 | zenzio | it's a long history of bad designs |
| 13:29.44 | alestane | But it seems comparatively recent that it's something people actually try to analyze and improve, especially during design. |
| 13:29.46 | myrkraverk | and even before. |
| 13:30.07 | zenzio | alestane: only the real big companies tend to put much effort into it (in general) |
| 13:30.22 | myrkraverk | During the 60s washing machines sold by being technical and complex because that was the fashion at the time. |
| 13:30.27 | zenzio | Microsoft (some parts - definitely not all teams) and Apple are peretty good at it |
| 13:30.35 | zenzio | *pretty |
| 13:30.36 | myrkraverk | zenzio, that's not true. |
| 13:30.55 | alestane | Most of the time, at least in software, it was just sort of left to the programmer to wrap whatever they could think of around their program logic. |
| 13:31.01 | myrkraverk | MS and Apple are good at making idiot friendly UIs. Expert friendly UIs are in general better. |
| 13:31.21 | zenzio | myrkraverk: I disagree with your assessment that that makes it untrue |
| 13:31.32 | zenzio | Microsoft and Apple make UIs for their main group of customers |
| 13:31.43 | zenzio | if that's idiots, that's fine - they still do it well |
| 13:31.48 | alestane | Actually, both have considerable depth to them in my experience. |
| 13:31.52 | myrkraverk | zenzio, erm, I *still* think they are bad interfaces - and here we can disagree ;) |
| 13:32.06 | alestane | And making good UIs for basic users is frequently harder. |
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| 13:32.28 | zenzio | myrkraverk: we most likely do, but do note that I specifically said "some parts" - MS has enough bad UIs too |
| 13:32.39 | myrkraverk | zenzio, alright ;) |
| 13:32.49 | alestane | Making a UI that accommodates basic users but facilitates expert users is even harder. |
| 13:33.05 | myrkraverk | alestane, WoW is a good example of that though. |
| 13:33.19 | alestane | WoW is a step in that direction. |
| 13:33.31 | alestane | I think it manages better than many things out there. |
| 13:33.43 | myrkraverk | emacs is a different example, it's not a good UI until you're an expert ;) |
| 13:33.58 | alestane | But the usual way in which it facilitates things for expert users is by allowing customization. |
| 13:34.12 | myrkraverk | yes, which is something emacs has done from day 0. |
| 13:34.34 | myrkraverk | at least in the case of the first lisp implementation. |
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| 13:36.10 | myrkraverk | For example, I used a feature in emacs that felt natural to me, but almost no one of the more experienced users did because it was not documented. |
| 13:36.13 | zenzio | I think that's more because RMS is a bitch about being able to change everything yourself than from a "this would be appreciated" point |
| 13:36.26 | alestane | But as you say, while console text editors like emacs and vi/m are often regarded as extremely powerful in the hands of an expert user, the learning curve is pretty much a sheer cliff. |
| 13:36.32 | myrkraverk | zenzio, RMS did not write so much of emacs. |
| 13:36.46 | zenzio | really? Guess I've got my history wrong then |
| 13:36.51 | myrkraverk | Well, in the end he did, but he did start with an already existing code base. |
| 13:37.10 | zenzio | alestane: you're thinking of things like the infamous "how the heck to I get out of vi!?" scenario? =D |
| 13:37.12 | myrkraverk | and most of the lisp addons are written by other people. |
| 13:37.15 | zenzio | *do |
| 13:37.53 | alestane | Sometimes I can't even get into text entry mode, zenzio. I have yet to find ANYTHING in vi that is actually intuitive. |
| 13:38.32 | zenzio | alestane: I stopped trying after I got out |
| 13:38.36 | alestane | Not all of it is that hard to remember, but the operational mode is somewhat foreign to someone who grew up on WriteNow. |
| 13:38.37 | zenzio | my knowledge is roughly :q! |
| 13:38.44 | myrkraverk | alestane, exactly, that was my point about emacs, it's not intuitive and friendly until you're an expert. |
| 13:39.58 | alestane | The thing about vi is that it's a text *processor*, that is, it's for making programmatic manipulations of text. It's more like the interpreter for a scripting language than just a text editor. |
| 13:40.12 | alestane | "vi" actually stands for "visual interface." |
| 13:40.30 | zenzio | I guess the "m" in vim is for "monstrosity" then |
| 13:40.51 | alestane | It's a front-end for the same codebase that drives sed ("stream editor"). |
| 13:41.16 | zenzio | don't you go explaining away my super-awesome jokes! |
| 13:42.05 | alestane | I won't disagree...although I was amused to learn that on modern systems, "vi" is just a consolehelper alias for vim in simplified mode. |
| 13:42.16 | alestane | You end up running the exact same executable. |
| 13:42.31 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/09/09/funny-pictures-iz-haz-feelingz/ |
| 13:42.44 | zenzio | alestane: I've seen that with a few other applications too |
| 13:43.38 | alestane | If I had to guess, I'd think the m is for "macros" or something like that, but if I really needed to know, I'd go look it up. |
| 13:45.14 | jnwhiteh | hugs Adys < |
| 13:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort zenzio |
| 13:45.15 | purl | There, there, zenzio. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:45.15 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 13:45.22 | Adys | jnwhiteh: sup? |
| 13:45.28 | jnwhiteh | just <3ing you |
| 13:45.34 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the API updates |
| 13:45.38 | Adys | why? you know I </3 u |
| 13:45.39 | Adys | ah |
| 13:45.40 | Adys | :p |
| 13:45.45 | jnwhiteh | I need to decide what to do with Cataclysm |
| 13:45.50 | jnwhiteh | when to upload a new master |
| 13:45.52 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
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| 13:46.23 | zenzio | I don't really care for masters |
| 13:46.27 | zenzio | mistresses are my thing |
| 13:46.50 | mikma | amen |
| 13:46.52 | Legorol | Is there a Win32 COM development wiz here by any chance? If so, do you have a link or other reference to a sample and/or explanation on how to implement DllRegisterServer for my own COM object, for an in-process server? |
| 13:47.08 | alestane | Okay, now I remember reading that before...the m is short for "improved." |
| 13:47.54 | Adys | Legorol: this might help: http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/?a=tree;f=dlls/comctl32;h=91ad8cc2bb6b6beb4b93a3d64f9c7321fbd7215e;hb=HEAD |
| 13:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, zenzio... http://www.metro.co.uk/news/69717-the-mutilated-ninja-poodle?ref=nf |
| 13:49.23 | Legorol | Thanks Adys, I'll have a look. I don't think what I need is comctl32, since that wouldn't implement DllRegisterServer, but I'll check it out. |
| 13:49.36 | Adys | Legorol: the tests might |
| 13:49.46 | Legorol | true, didn't think of that! awesome idea |
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| 13:49.54 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: O_O |
| 13:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Animal cruelty, am I right? |
| 13:50.20 | zenzio | yes |
| 13:52.08 | myrkraverk | How much does it take to get Blizzard to make Unix/Linux clients available for the publc? |
| 13:52.34 | alestane | A consistent target environment> |
| 13:52.36 | alestane | ? |
| 13:52.44 | Ressy | Too much |
| 13:52.58 | myrkraverk | hmm, possibly. What about solaris 10 with nvidia cards? |
| 13:53.06 | myrkraverk | That should be consistent at least. |
| 13:53.11 | Ressy | They already maintain over 16 different clients for Mac/PC already. |
| 13:53.24 | myrkraverk | Not wow clients do they? |
| 13:53.27 | Ressy | yes |
| 13:53.50 | Ressy | 2 Clients for every localization. |
| 13:54.01 | alestane | Part of the challenge is that you can't just say "Linux client" you have to specify which frameworks you're going to use, etc. |
| 13:54.03 | myrkraverk | How so? I thought it was mostly just one for each platform with perhaps smaller MPQ files for TBC and Classic |
| 13:54.15 | myrkraverk | alestane, I know that. |
| 13:54.25 | Ressy | Looks like they're changing it for Cata tho - every install has all localizations. |
| 13:54.28 | alestane | Those aren't wholly independent clients, Ressy. |
| 13:54.29 | myrkraverk | alestane, There is a reason I prefer solaris over linux. |
| 13:54.44 | Ressy | understandable.. Still, its aton of extra work. |
| 13:55.13 | alestane | Although I think the far east client is fairly distinct from the US and EU clients. |
| 13:55.39 | Ressy | Its not cost effective to do a Unix/Linux client for the # of users running that |
| 13:55.43 | myrkraverk | It would piss almost every linux user out there if Blizzard made a client for solaris 10 on sparc ;-P |
| 13:56.39 | myrkraverk | Ressy, Possibly. It would be interesting if blizzard would say a number and the community could try to raise that money. |
| 13:56.49 | Ressy | o.O |
| 13:57.02 | Ressy | I can prolly find out the # of users running Linux.... |
| 13:57.45 | myrkraverk | Ressy, how? Can you add code that checks for wine registry keys and upload to blizzard? (wouldn't that violate user's privacy?) |
| 13:57.49 | Ressy | no. |
| 13:57.54 | Ressy | Ask a friend at Blizzard. |
| 13:58.25 | myrkraverk | The above would give concrete numbers. I'm not sure Blizzard has the actual number of wine users. |
| 13:58.45 | Ressy | When they do hardware/software scans, I do believe OS is included. |
| 13:59.05 | myrkraverk | Ressy, Wine should show up as XP or something similar. |
| 13:59.26 | myrkraverk | unless they check for wine registry keys. |
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| 14:03.34 | myrkraverk | Ressy, however if the do have the number of wine users, more power to them. But I think such demographics are not allowed by their own privacy policy. |
| 14:03.43 | myrkraverk | So, have fun guys and see you later. |
| 14:03.44 | Ressy | uh, no. |
| 14:03.53 | Ressy | They need to know demographics & hardware |
| 14:04.00 | Ressy | so they can build the engine better. |
| 14:04.27 | Ressy | Because of the "submitting non-personal information" they know ppl still run wow on Nvidia TNT cards. |
| 14:04.39 | myrkraverk | Ah, ok. |
| 14:05.03 | myrkraverk | I thought it was against it since we had to upload system information and specifically allow it to opt-in for the beta. |
| 14:05.30 | Ressy | Nope. |
| 14:05.34 | myrkraverk | Ressy, if you can give me concrete number of Wine users, that'll be awesome. |
| 14:05.39 | Ressy | beta's sepate. |
| 14:05.43 | Ressy | gah. separate* |
| 14:06.06 | myrkraverk | Just know that wine runs on freebsd, linux and solaris (in alphabetical order) |
| 14:06.24 | myrkraverk | so you probably won't get the concrete numbers of each of those though. |
| 14:06.53 | myrkraverk | so, I'm off, have fun and good luck in ICC and battelgrounds ;) |
| 14:07.01 | Ressy | Can't guarantee I can get the numbers, but I'll try. :) |
| 14:07.05 | Ressy | have fun |
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| 14:21.32 | Fisker | jerk Torhal |
| 14:22.18 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.05 | bluspacecow | hai long haired handsome person. |
| 14:23.07 | Fisker | unzips |
| 14:27.08 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, put that away before I call hazmat |
| 14:27.29 | bluspacecow | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/quick-auctions-poster/ == automation |
| 14:27.32 | bluspacecow | discuss |
| 14:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Broken in next patch, I predict! :) |
| 14:29.05 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14574459218&sid=1 <-why do they even bother? |
| 14:29.50 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: you must have good eye sight to see "that" |
| 14:29.58 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy it's like those toothpaste commercials where they go "Stick this in your mouth" and they end up saying "Impressive" |
| 14:30.10 | bluspacecow | they do know they have a instagold button |
| 14:31.26 | Ackis | "Ontario Superior Court rules Canadian Blood Services justified in banning blood donations from men who have sex with other men." |
| 14:31.53 | Wobin | Ackis: they already do that in Australia =( |
| 14:31.53 | Ackis | Fisker can't donate blood in Canada |
| 14:32.05 | Ackis | they've done that for years here Wobin it was challenged |
| 14:32.14 | bluspacecow | @Fisker Sie haben wirklich erstaunliche fucking Brüste |
| 14:32.22 | bluspacecow | google translate |
| 14:32.28 | bluspacecow | now i feel like a pro |
| 14:32.34 | Wobin | ~x de en Sie haben wirklich erstaunliche fucking Brüste |
| 14:32.37 | Ackis | maybe 10-20 years ago it was appropriate, I just don't think it's a higher risk anymore |
| 14:34.16 | Fisker | higher risk of what? |
| 14:34.27 | Fisker | You donate blood and they don't bother testing it before using it? |
| 14:34.30 | bluspacecow | Fisker boning you |
| 14:34.30 | Fisker | herp derp? |
| 14:34.31 | Ressy | Thats messed up Ackis. |
| 14:34.51 | Ressy | Especially since our blood banks are always short. |
| 14:35.29 | Ackis | they always test the blood |
| 14:35.30 | Ressy | This is probably because Ontario's blood bank screwed up years ago, and gave ppl Hep. |
| 14:35.38 | Ackis | but there have been cases where stuff has slipped through |
| 14:35.38 | Fisker | so why QQ so much ackis? |
| 14:36.36 | Ackis | it was funny, one of my moms friends is a nurse who helps the canadian blood services people, and she was asking me my interview questions which include questions about "have you had sex with a man once" or "have you ever paid for sex" |
| 14:36.59 | Ackis | you're also disqualified if you've visited certain countries |
| 14:37.03 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 14:37.10 | bluspacecow | well ? have you ? |
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| 14:37.30 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 14:37.31 | Ackis | :P |
| 14:38.07 | Ressy | Its funny.. The blood banks give ppl Hep C... and then give them only 25k for their massive screwup |
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| 14:40.37 | Wobin | Ackis: I can understand that concern |
| 14:40.58 | Wobin | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KAny-1saS4&feature=player_embedded crazy card packing |
| 14:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | They disqualify blood donations for so many frakked up reasons. |
| 14:43.34 | Wobin | then and now: http://i.imgur.com/o4E18.jpg |
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| 14:46.14 | Ackis | sad book is sad |
| 14:46.16 | Ackis | damn you Fisker |
| 14:46.18 | Ackis | DAMN YOU :( |
| 14:46.34 | Ackis | entire colony of treecats just got wiped out |
| 14:46.46 | mikma | wobin: keeel the bear! |
| 14:46.47 | Ackis | wonders if anyone knows what treecats are... |
| 14:47.00 | bluspacecow | its a cat with a tree up its bum |
| 14:47.04 | bluspacecow | obviously |
| 14:47.28 | Ackis | fans of Honor Harrington series would know |
| 14:48.10 | Wobin | Cairenn: oldie but a goodie http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=202 |
| 14:48.38 | Wobin | I.. kinda read that series |
| 14:48.44 | Wobin | but I wouldn't call myself a fan |
| 14:49.01 | Wobin | I think it's Weber's writing that just puts me off slightly |
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| 14:50.51 | augustl | anyone got some experience with static html generators? Or whatever they're called. Write a website in a template language, generate HTML, put HTML on server. |
| 14:51.48 | Wobin | white sites? |
| 14:52.08 | Wobin | (why would you write a site in a template language then generate html?) |
| 14:52.23 | augustl | it's simpler than serving it dynamically and caching it :) |
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| 14:52.39 | augustl | there's no server interaction in the websites themselves, other than serving the html and assets. |
| 14:53.10 | augustl | so you have a bunch of, say, markdown files on your computer, and bundle them all into a static html site, and put that on the server. |
| 14:54.21 | Fisker | Engaged in illegal trading status, verify the results. |
| 14:54.24 | Fisker | how new and exciting |
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| 14:56.16 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 14:56.29 | Arrowmaster | cold |
| 14:56.34 | malreth | ~metar knug |
| 14:56.45 | bluspacecow | I r sleepy wanna go bed |
| 14:57.01 | malreth | ~metar kaus |
| 14:57.26 | malreth | WHAT DOES IT MEAN NO ONE KNOWS |
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| 15:00.00 | Wobin | DOUBLE AIRPORT ALL THE WAY |
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| 15:10.12 | zenzelezz | gah... my copy of The Evolutionary Void arrived today... now I need to decide whether to put the book I was reading on hold, or put this one on hold until I finish the other :-| |
| 15:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | Finish what you start, young padawan. |
| 15:10.32 | cog|away | what is Fisker i don't even |
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| 15:27.50 | cog|work | u mad Fisker ? |
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| 15:29.59 | Alram | calm down Fisker |
| 15:30.18 | Shirik | ohshi |
| 15:30.23 | Shirik | purl knows how to get METAR data? |
| 15:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | someone told her, yup |
| 15:30.43 | malreth | Shirik: i believe all infobots can |
| 15:31.19 | zenzelezz | oh, Bear Grylls... (possibly icky) http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/9/8/16/enhanced-buzz-30435-1283977966-0.jpg |
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| 15:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | Bear is a nasty nasty man |
| 15:32.19 | nicoli_s | i can never watch that show too long |
| 15:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | He's stupid. |
| 15:32.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | god |
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| 15:32.47 | TC-Work | yes my child? |
| 15:32.54 | Lopeppeppy | Man vs. Wild with Les is sooo much better. |
| 15:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | No, wait, mixed them up again. |
| 15:33.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | are you there? its me sylvanaar |
| 15:33.47 | TC-Work | i never did read that book |
| 15:33.50 | Lopeppeppy | Survivorman |
| 15:37.32 | TC-Work | *sigh* why wont my FC get any bigger than 800x600 |
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| 15:42.01 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: yeah, that show is actually good |
| 15:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | He only does what's needed to survive. He doesn't go around jumping into quicksand just because he can. Or jumping off waterfalls. |
| 15:43.17 | kd3 | Shirik, pong |
| 15:44.23 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:44.51 | cog|work | kd3s Fisker around a bit with a large slap |
| 15:44.57 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:46.05 | TC-Work | makes fisker go to BC so the slaps can be done in person |
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| 15:58.08 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:58.23 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
| 15:58.31 | cog|work | morning Luney-dear |
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| 15:59.07 | TC-Work | vomits quietly in a corner. |
| 15:59.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html |
| 15:59.46 | cog|work | sends TC-Work some rainbows and puppies |
| 15:59.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | the crying can stop finally |
| 16:00.18 | TC-Work | sends back the puppies, but keeps the rainbows with thanks |
| 16:01.00 | TC-Work | "The App Store is perhaps the most important milestone in the history of mobile software." such arrogance. |
| 16:01.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | "In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any code" |
| 16:01.13 | DWSR | TC-Work: Meh, it's not exactly wrong. |
| 16:01.28 | DWSR | Apple's innovative, I'll give them that,. |
| 16:01.33 | DWSR | They're also EVIL!!!! |
| 16:01.47 | DWSR | Anyone here a member of any torrent sites that are not What.cd? |
| 16:01.52 | DWSR | I need a torrent or an invite. |
| 16:02.06 | TC-Work | an online store that sells apps is not a milestone, the apps themselves might be, but not the store. |
| 16:02.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | so does this mean we'll have flash on the iphone |
| 16:02.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont get it |
| 16:02.24 | DWSR | sylvanaar: lolno |
| 16:02.35 | Shirik | Cide |
| 16:02.36 | Shirik | save me |
| 16:02.38 | Shirik | I'm using python |
| 16:02.41 | Shirik | I'm using fucking python |
| 16:03.00 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | pyShirik |
| 16:04.07 | DWSR | pies Shirik |
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| 16:06.05 | TC-Work | Shirik: do or do not, there is no bitching. |
| 16:08.48 | Lunessa | Please, no Flash on my iPhone. Abobe based products are starting to just piss me off in general, and Flash in particular. |
| 16:10.08 | Arrowmaster | Please, no Flash on my internet. |
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| 16:10.44 | Fisker | i lold Shirik |
| 16:16.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | that means i can use MonoTouch now without worries |
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| 16:31.50 | Lunessa | So, I've been in the office 30 minutes. Someone has already offered to buy me lunch, someone else brought me donuts, I got a letter of commendation from a Dean, and another professor called me "The only competent support" in the office. What does the rest of today hold? |
| 16:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | does not inquire about the dragon under the desk. |
| 16:32.42 | Legorol | Lunessa, only downhill from there |
| 16:32.52 | Lunessa | That's what frightens me. |
| 16:33.14 | malreth | Lunessa: I'm bringing my harem of girls from Austin down to Houston this weekend to play D&D. You're free to come by and visit, if you like. |
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| 16:33.28 | Lunessa | Yes please. Where? |
| 16:33.46 | nicoli_s | Lunessa:ill take yer donuts |
| 16:34.01 | malreth | I have no clue... Kristina's house... I really don't know where she lives there. |
| 16:34.30 | Lunessa | You has my digits. I'd love to come hang. I'll bring snacks. |
| 16:34.31 | malreth | No Amanda, sadly. She's busy working on some Donkey Kong Country game or whatever. |
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| 16:34.49 | alestane | Oh good, some work next week. |
| 16:34.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, well, she never responds to my texts or messages. |
| 16:35.12 | Lunessa | That girl is too shy for her own good. |
| 16:35.13 | malreth | I drove past Retro Studios last night and the parking lot was filled with cars from all the devs working overnight |
| 16:36.14 | Lunessa | Deadline must be looming. |
| 16:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | deadline is deadly to the social life |
| 16:36.48 | malreth | it is. if it's stressing her, she's not showing it. |
| 16:37.10 | alestane | Shirik: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/10/20/ |
| 16:37.19 | alestane | Come to the dark side. We have pie. |
| 16:37.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:38.06 | malreth | anyways, we'll either be arriving friday night or saturday morning. I'll call you before we leave if it's Friday or after we arrive if it's Saturday. |
| 16:38.06 | Fisker | when a windows update is "NEU" is that misspelt "ENU" or Language neutral? ;3 |
| 16:38.07 | foxlit | and apples? |
| 16:38.56 | Fisker | hmm |
| 16:39.02 | Fisker | looks like i could just make a powershell script |
| 16:39.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:39.05 | Fisker | play me off |
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| 16:39.54 | Fisker | ZOMG I CAN |
| 16:39.59 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:40.00 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:40.11 | Fisker | i hate you microsoft! |
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| 16:56.16 | Fisker | FUCK YEAH |
| 16:56.19 | Fisker | on a but |
| 16:56.20 | Fisker | butt |
| 17:01.50 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/how-to-ensure-a-blanc-stare/6958 - I have days like this. |
| 17:11.23 | Adys | Lunessa: that is awesome. |
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| 17:18.24 | Fisker | i'm a troll paladin |
| 17:18.42 | nicoli_s | yer a troll person |
| 17:19.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:19.09 | ckknight | he's got you there, Fisker |
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| 17:27.30 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 17:27.41 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
| 17:28.15 | Elkano | hiho ckknight :) |
| 17:28.36 | Elkano | is there any video or similar coverage on that panel I refered to in the comments? |
| 17:28.41 | ckknight | hey Elkano, how's it going? |
| 17:28.56 | ckknight | Elkano: you'd have to check dragon*con's website. I know it was filmed. |
| 17:30.41 | Elkano | hmm, k ^^ |
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| 17:39.11 | Ackis | blarghhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:39.44 | Ackis | I just read a 220k word book (guessing it's 800 pages) in 2 days because the last book left me hanging |
| 17:39.54 | Ackis | this book left me hanging EVEN MORE |
| 17:40.00 | Ackis | and there's no new one out to read! |
| 17:40.02 | Lunessa | So, now you're going to sleep for a week? |
| 17:40.03 | Ackis | blargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:40.03 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 17:40.08 | nevcairiel | thats what books with good marketing do for you |
| 17:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | What books? |
| 17:40.15 | nevcairiel | now you buy the next one too |
| 17:40.16 | Ackis | Honor Harrington Series |
| 17:40.27 | nevcairiel | you know its really evil when the next book isnt out yet |
| 17:40.35 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Honor. |
| 17:40.35 | cog|work | definitely a benefit to not reading... |
| 17:40.36 | cog|work | <.< |
| 17:40.37 | cog|work | >.> |
| 17:41.01 | Ackis | he's branched out and has three main story arcs in series of their own all converging |
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| 17:41.27 | nevcairiel | sounds a bit confusing to read |
| 17:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | how very George RR Martin of him. |
| 17:42.04 | Ackis | it's totally like that series Lopeppeppy except it's getting finished |
| 17:42.05 | Zhinjio | has been reading lots of brain candy lately |
| 17:42.18 | Zhinjio | although the 3 stieg larsson books were excellent, I thought |
| 17:42.44 | jnwhiteh | stabs George R R Martin |
| 17:42.45 | Ackis | fuck this last book JUST came out in July |
| 17:42.52 | jnwhiteh | and the other 10 authors I'm waiting for the next book for. |
| 17:42.54 | jnwhiteh | grumbles |
| 17:42.57 | Ackis | used the phrase "Winter is Coming" today |
| 17:43.14 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:43.17 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: He's a really nice guy in person. Don't stab him. |
| 17:43.25 | jnwhiteh | My Life is So Stark. |
| 17:43.43 | Lunessa | As long as you don't end up getting your head chopped off. |
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| 17:45.59 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
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| 17:47.54 | Ackis | I blame Fisker |
| 17:48.04 | Ackis | Fisker: that book you sent me is done |
| 17:48.17 | Zhinjio | Ackis: read any China Mieville? |
| 17:48.42 | Ackis | no I haven't |
| 17:49.11 | foxlit | has no patience for multi-book epics spanning multiple storylines |
| 17:49.21 | foxlit | s/spanning/following/ |
| 17:49.25 | Fisker | k Ackis ? |
| 17:49.35 | Zhinjio | probably the best author I've read in the past 5 years or so |
| 17:49.50 | Zhinjio | check out either _King Rat_ or _Perdido Street Station_ as a starter |
| 17:50.20 | Ackis | I have 2 more to read at home... some RA Salvitore (sp?) and the latest from the Wheel of Time series |
| 17:50.20 | batbot | Ackis, Salvatore. |
| 17:52.22 | Lunessa | Salvatore - belch |
| 17:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | I still think CS Freidman's Coldfire trilogy is The. Best. Ever. |
| 17:53.57 | NightHawkTheSane | l |
| 17:54.02 | NightHawkTheSane | woops, wrong window |
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| 18:08.15 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:08.31 | Fisker | made a circle on halion as big as the entire "combat area" |
| 18:10.14 | foxlit | loldispelalready |
| 18:16.48 | mikma | so, rogue, pvp-gear and gemming + enchanting. what stats? |
| 18:16.55 | mikma | lots and lots of ap? |
| 18:17.15 | Ackis | I just read Quran and interpretted it as the species that co-exists with Mon Calimari's in star wars |
| 18:19.18 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:19.41 | Ackis | no u |
| 18:20.29 | sylvanaar_work | i need to stop using beta builds of iOS - switching to a release deletes all my apps |
| 18:21.12 | cog|work | s/beta builds of// |
| 18:21.14 | cog|work | imo |
| 18:21.15 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:21.46 | cog|work | /appleh8 |
| 18:21.49 | sylvanaar_work | :P |
| 18:22.07 | TC-Work | it's amazing, apple must really love ciso, they keep stealing their things |
| 18:22.27 | zenzelezz | Cisco? |
| 18:22.28 | durcyn | the first was an unused linksys copyright, let's not read too far into it |
| 18:22.30 | TC-Work | iphone and ios |
| 18:22.33 | sylvanaar_work | Crisco |
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| 18:22.55 | sylvanaar_work | i remember iphone |
| 18:23.20 | durcyn | and i'd wager the ios trademark licensing came as a result of that settlement |
| 18:23.44 | sylvanaar_work | seems reasonable |
| 18:24.10 | cog|work | s/copyright/trademark/ |
| 18:24.49 | cog|work | the trademark office doesn't take kindly to businesses getting trademarks and never using them |
| 18:25.00 | durcyn | oh, right. two beer lunch affects word choice. |
| 18:25.15 | durcyn | it was a product once upon a time, wasn't it? |
| 18:25.26 | cog|work | i think they were planning to but never did |
| 18:25.26 | durcyn | discontinued after the acquisition or something |
| 18:25.28 | sylvanaar_work | misses 3 martini lunches |
| 18:25.37 | cog|work | then they made up some fake packaging to try and sue apple over |
| 18:30.24 | zenzelezz | they should've just tried to claim ownership of UNIX instead (or maybe BSD( |
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| 18:31.17 | cog|work | zenzelezz: windows imo ;) |
| 18:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | I own UNIX, hello. |
| 18:33.26 | Fisker | i made unix |
| 18:33.50 | Lopeppeppy | But I own it. |
| 18:34.04 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:35.38 | cog|work | fisker owns eunuchs |
| 18:36.24 | mikma | jesus christ |
| 18:36.38 | mikma | is there any easier way of fixing the skills on Shadow Dance -bar?!? |
| 18:36.55 | mikma | it's fucking annoying to change cause you got 6 seconds time before it changes back |
| 18:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker can have those. I have no use for 'em. |
| 18:40.22 | zenzelezz | Six seconds should be enough for everyone |
| 18:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | ... speak for yourself, cowboy! |
| 18:44.38 | TC-Work | obviously you are doing it wrong Lopeppeppy |
| 18:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | No, I rather think that zenzelezz needs to learn to take his time. |
| 18:46.24 | zenzelezz | clearly you're both having naughty thoughts |
| 18:46.34 | zenzelezz | I was just commenting on mikma's problem |
| 18:47.42 | alestane | mikma: Set the actionpage attribute on something like MultiBarBottomRight to whatever page it is, 9 I think. |
| 18:47.55 | alestane | That should cause that bar to show your shadowdance bar. |
| 18:48.00 | Lopeppeppy | I would never have naughty thoughts. |
| 18:48.13 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is pure and innoncent. |
| 18:48.19 | alestane | ...and stuff. |
| 18:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | You have me confused with...um...Cogwheel! |
| 18:48.27 | Zhinjio | thats the worst part about having pets.... .... shaving. |
| 18:50.55 | alestane | Lunessa: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20416.html |
| 18:52.35 | Lunessa | alestane: awesome |
| 18:52.50 | Zhinjio | that is pretty awesome, indeed |
| 18:55.01 | Lopeppeppy | evil |
| 18:55.29 | alestane | It is that, too. |
| 18:56.06 | Lunessa | "I'll have what she's having." |
| 18:58.18 | RJohn | d |
| 18:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | e |
| 18:59.55 | Lunessa | f |
| 19:00.31 | Zhinjio | h... I mean g!! AAIiIAIhahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:01.00 | EthanCentaurai | . o O { Zhin-G-O? } |
| 19:01.11 | Lopeppeppy | Bingo! |
| 19:01.40 | Zhinjio | apparently I can't make python references very well in text chat. *cry* |
| 19:02.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i got it... |
| 19:02.22 | Lunessa | I got it. |
| 19:02.26 | Fisker | Lunessa NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:02.54 | olafski | why does itunes start adding all the music it can find on my hdd even though I said during setup I would add it manually :< |
| 19:03.17 | EthanCentaurai | because Apple made it |
| 19:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | probably because you didn't actually say that |
| 19:03.30 | olafski | I did :( |
| 19:03.40 | olafski | all I wanted was to update the OS on my girlfriend's ipod.. no library needed |
| 19:04.15 | Adys | kd3: you here? |
| 19:07.15 | Fisker | he's hiding from my über sour apple juice |
| 19:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | He was sad to hear I owned UNIX. |
| 19:08.20 | Fisker | i made it |
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| 19:20.40 | Adys | holy SHIT i love my cpu |
| 19:20.43 | Adys | wine with -O0 -j7 compiles in 38 seconds from scratch |
| 19:20.54 | Adys | (disable tests too ofc) |
| 19:21.36 | Lunessa | Just don't be getting anything on the CPU in the process of your 'love.' Ok? |
| 19:22.08 | Fisker | continue testing Lunessa |
| 19:22.34 | Lunessa | I am fully functional and operating within designed parameters. |
| 19:26.15 | Fisker | don't disappoint me Lunessa or i'll make you wish you could die |
| 19:27.55 | Lunessa | Fisker: I'm an exceptionally clear thinker under duress. I'll be wishing you would die. |
| 19:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | checks Lunessa's perimeters. |
| 19:31.00 | Lunessa | So, you're walking around me in a circle? |
| 19:33.38 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2c6gGwl-Hk |
| 19:34.13 | Zhinjio | Like a record, baby. Right round. |
| 19:34.43 | Lunessa | Any time Lopeppeppy wants to spin me right round, she has a standing invite. :P |
| 19:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 19:34.56 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 19:40.31 | TC-Work | has anyone done FC in virtualbox? |
| 19:42.42 | Fisker | why wouldn't they have? |
| 19:49.02 | Lunessa | brb. |
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| 19:55.04 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:55.15 | EthanCentaurai | welcome back |
| 19:55.25 | cog|away | station to u 2 |
| 19:55.32 | cogwheel | came home sick |
| 19:55.52 | EthanCentaurai | someone stuck a spanner in the works :p |
| 19:56.01 | cogwheel | haha |
| 19:56.02 | Lunessa | Sorry to hear that cogwheel. |
| 19:56.29 | cogwheel | i had a slight sore throat a couple days ago but it went away. now it's back with its friend, Stuffy Head. |
| 19:56.43 | cogwheel | wtb original nyquil recipe... |
| 19:56.48 | Lunessa | EthanCentaurai: Dr. Parkison declared, "I'm not surprised to see you here... " |
| 19:58.17 | EthanCentaurai | rolls a priest and casts Abolish Disease on cogwheel |
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| 19:58.31 | cogwheel | can't wait to roll a gnome priest |
| 19:58.36 | cogwheel | (on live) |
| 19:58.40 | EthanCentaurai | down a cliff |
| 19:58.48 | cogwheel | yes that would be fun too :> |
| 19:59.08 | cogwheel | one thing i like about sc2 is killing things of your own race ;) |
| 19:59.24 | cogwheel | <3 sand gnomes |
| 19:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | I soooooo am re-rolling Peppy, cogwheel! |
| 20:00.04 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1092580456 |
| 20:00.06 | Spejnar | cogwheel: you and me both |
| 20:00.11 | cogwheel | mine will be named Rouedentée (french for cogwheel) |
| 20:00.24 | cogwheel | and my worgen lock will be umbracanis (shadow dog) |
| 20:00.48 | EthanCentaurai | my worgen will be Ulbrecht (bright wolf) |
| 20:00.54 | alestane | I haven't done the Gnomeregan event yet, Peppy, but the Echo Isles event gave me an item that lets me put on a troll disguise. Guessing the GR one has some sort of gnome equivalent. |
| 20:01.08 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:01.14 | cogwheel | you turn into a gnome infantry |
| 20:01.20 | cogwheel | with a white and blue suit and a blue helmet |
| 20:01.47 | alestane | So even your not-gnome toons can be gnomes. |
| 20:01.49 | cogwheel | i'm rolling a DK so i can try the horde one -_- |
| 20:04.47 | cogwheel | aaand instantly my highest level horde toon ever... |
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| 20:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | when I can move my shoulders again, I updated everything this weekend at The Boyfriend's house (better interwebs!) |
| 20:10.24 | Lunessa | interwebs are good to have. |
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| 20:13.36 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
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| 20:19.29 | Maldivia | patch tonight, have it :) |
| 20:20.30 | nicoli_s | cata patch? |
| 20:20.32 | Maldivia | yep |
| 20:20.37 | Maldivia | 12942 |
| 20:20.45 | nicoli_s | fun fun, you manually dl it early? |
| 20:21.13 | Maldivia | I was checking for it |
| 20:21.34 | Lunessa | bah... should have set up RDP on my computer at home to I could tell it to start patching. |
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| 20:24.53 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:25.17 | Maldivia | Lunessa: have a thumb drive on you, then you could download it where you are and copy it when you get home |
| 20:25.36 | Lunessa | How big is it? |
| 20:25.41 | Maldivia | 483mb |
| 20:26.25 | Lunessa | Nice - I have a flash drive with enough space on it. |
| 20:27.39 | durcyn | hm, just fired up the launcher over rdp and it's showing up to date, when's the push? |
| 20:27.59 | Ackis | nerds |
| 20:28.02 | Ackis | all of you are nerds! |
| 20:28.04 | durcyn | canadians |
| 20:28.20 | Lunessa | You're the one tweeting video game achievements... |
| 20:28.22 | Lunessa | nerd |
| 20:28.25 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:28.33 | Ackis | I tweet IRL achievements too |
| 20:28.52 | EthanCentaurai | your cat pissing on your car is not an achievement imo :) |
| 20:28.55 | durcyn | "achievement unlocked: wiped my own ass today" - @ackis, circa today |
| 20:28.59 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 20:29.28 | Ackis | lol EthanCentaurai |
| 20:29.35 | Ackis | it wasn't my cat :( |
| 20:29.38 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHVmGsEOt4A#t=2m29s |
| 20:31.07 | durcyn | speaking of cats, the greatest/worst sound in the world is hearing a kitten come to the realization that for the first time since she started jumping in the shower after you've gotten out, there's standing water in the bottom of it. |
| 20:31.15 | durcyn | thud, splash, screech, in that order |
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| 20:31.35 | Ackis | hehe |
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| 20:32.36 | EthanCentaurai | my cat jumped into a full bath once trying to chase the reflection of the moonlight on the water |
| 20:32.44 | EthanCentaurai | not very fun |
| 20:33.28 | Ackis | there was an animated gif of a cat falling into some water on cheeseburger network... I was amused |
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| 20:38.53 | Ackis | I wonder if goblins can become gnomish engineers |
| 20:40.59 | ckknight | Ackis: gnomes can become goblin engineers, right? |
| 20:41.23 | Ackis | gnomes don't count, they're weird |
| 20:41.25 | Ackis | and useless |
| 20:41.27 | Ackis | and no one likes them |
| 20:41.34 | Ackis | goblins however are a different story |
| 20:42.52 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:43.39 | Ackis | slaps Fisker around with a Fisker |
| 20:43.42 | Ackis | recursion ftw |
| 20:43.46 | Ackis | (not really) |
| 20:48.58 | nicoli_s | so you gonna get reach ackis? |
| 20:49.44 | tekkub | I buy colgate myself |
| 20:51.09 | nicoli_s | well ackis' breath is pretty bad, i can smell it all the way across the states |
| 20:51.48 | Ackis | man you should've smelt my farts the other night |
| 20:51.55 | Ackis | I think I knocked a cat out |
| 20:51.59 | Ackis | speaking of cat |
| 20:52.01 | Ackis | s |
| 20:52.14 | Ackis | 100 cats in an Ikea store: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCB7RqGS684 |
| 20:52.16 | nicoli_s | knocked it out? |
| 20:52.55 | Ackis | with my bad gas :P |
| 20:52.59 | Ackis | and yeah I'm getting reach |
| 20:53.00 | nicoli_s | oh lol |
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| 20:54.18 | nicoli_s | very random video |
| 20:54.31 | nicoli_s | glad i havent gotten that many yet :P |
| 20:54.35 | Ackis | yet |
| 20:55.37 | nicoli_s | well maybe once i have a ranch ill just have to see how many i can get |
| 20:57.22 | Ackis | 500 of them |
| 20:57.25 | Ackis | babies everywhere |
| 20:57.31 | nicoli_s | my great aunt and uncle had maybe 40+ at their dairy farm |
| 20:57.45 | Ackis | crazy |
| 20:59.19 | nicoli_s | they fed them all out of the old wheel covers for the tractor tires |
| 20:59.23 | nicoli_s | would see like a dozen at a time |
| 21:00.47 | Ackis | why would they have so many? |
| 21:01.12 | nicoli_s | because they live out in the boonies and cant/wont fix them |
| 21:01.22 | Ackis | ah |
| 21:01.25 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:03.02 | nicoli_s | no :(, i mean they were treated well |
| 21:03.18 | nicoli_s | flea bitten for sure, but its the country, they could be tying them up in sacks and throwing them in the river |
| 21:03.49 | Ackis | inbreeding, disease, etc will build up |
| 21:03.51 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/movingout1.png |
| 21:04.34 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:04.52 | nicoli_s | and yeah it will, but its a wild cat population, even if they saved hundreds, there are still hundreds of them wild |
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| 21:05.25 | Amarande | grumbles a blue streak at VoA. |
| 21:05.45 | Amarande | I FINALLY get a DK plate drop from VoA 25 ... |
| 21:05.53 | Amarande | and it's the one piece I *have absolutely no use for*. :| |
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| 21:08.36 | EthanCentaurai | yawns |
| 21:08.41 | EthanCentaurai | time for bed |
| 21:08.45 | EthanCentaurai | see you tomorrow |
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| 21:09.01 | EthanCentaurai | gonna go sleep like only a cat can :3 |
| 21:11.45 | Adys | lua>nil>0 |
| 21:11.45 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 21:12.35 | Adys | lua> 0 and 3 |
| 21:12.35 | lua_bot | Adys: 3 |
| 21:12.39 | Adys | lua> 2 and 3 |
| 21:12.40 | lua_bot | Adys: 3 |
| 21:14.46 | Xinhuan | lua> 2^51 |
| 21:14.46 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 2.2517998136852e+15 |
| 21:15.00 | Xinhuan | lua> 2^51 - 1 |
| 21:15.00 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 2.2517998136852e+15 |
| 21:15.07 | Xinhuan | lua> 2^50 |
| 21:15.07 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.1258999068426e+15 |
| 21:17.06 | Ackis | "Today, at dinner, my grandmother informed us that my cousin's newborn baby has been having seizures. My verbal filter did not switch on in time and I replied, "It's not a seizure if you're shaking it." FML" |
| 21:17.38 | Spejnar | haha |
| 21:17.48 | nicoli_s | ahhh good ole dark humor |
| 21:18.15 | Ackis | remember that joke I told you about my ex nicoli_s? hehe |
| 21:18.54 | nicoli_s | lol i do now |
| 21:19.14 | Ackis | yeah :D |
| 21:19.20 | Ackis | I'm so going to hell |
| 21:21.06 | nicoli_s | at least youll be going there in a fancy hand basket |
| 21:21.24 | ckknight | what jokes are these? |
| 21:21.25 | Ackis | with my devil cats |
| 21:21.45 | nicoli_s | only one of my kitties are going to hell |
| 21:21.53 | nicoli_s | and thats spaghetti, that bitch |
| 21:23.25 | Ackis | what'd she do? |
| 21:23.47 | nicoli_s | shes just an all around bitch |
| 21:23.56 | nicoli_s | shell climb on your face, drool on you, then scratch you |
| 21:24.22 | Ackis | lol |
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| 21:58.43 | Adys | haha |
| 21:58.59 | Adys | Cide: does anyone still even use item cooldown checks? |
| 21:59.00 | Adys | in raids |
| 21:59.08 | Adys | blizz just added it to the base UI |
| 22:02.38 | Amarande | item cooldown checks? |
| 22:03.39 | Adys | yes |
| 22:03.49 | kd3 | ! |
| 22:03.52 | Adys | i remember those because I for one used ctra1 and all that shiz in molten core :p |
| 22:04.01 | Adys | no idea if anyone still uses that |
| 22:04.07 | kd3 | 'who's got their quintessence?' |
| 22:04.19 | Kaso | oh the good old days :p |
| 22:04.21 | kd3 | 'how many FR pots do you have?' |
| 22:06.43 | Amarande | ah so portal jockey is a raid wide achievement *whew* |
| 22:06.56 | Amarande | for a moment I had to wonder if only healer classes could ever reasonably expect to get a vanquisher ... |
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| 22:20.15 | Maldivia | cata server shutdown in 15min :) |
| 22:20.38 | nicoli_s | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 22:21.21 | kd3 | yay |
| 22:22.01 | Xtek | GUILD_RANK_AUTHENTICATOR_TOOLTIP = "Only characters with an Authenticator attached to their account can obtain this rank.\nGo to |cff82c5ffwww.battle.net|r for more information."; |
| 22:22.10 | kd3 | ! |
| 22:22.35 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.57 | Maldivia | interesing! |
| 22:23.03 | Arrowmaster | now the better question, do they get auto demoted when they remove the authenticator |
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| 22:26.01 | kd3 | hm... 482MB build |
| 22:27.06 | Zyn | oh god oh man |
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| 22:27.58 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: and what of people who never had authenticators, and had ranks to which the GM attached that requirement? |
| 22:28.10 | Amarande | also, is GM going to be automatically authenticator required, so that you cannot found a guild without one? |
| 22:29.54 | A-KO | that would be nice |
| 22:30.02 | A-KO | authenticators are winsauce |
| 22:30.07 | A-KO | they're $6 no shipping cost |
| 22:30.26 | Xyphoid | in the US |
| 22:30.38 | A-KO | dude they're like what? 4 euros? |
| 22:30.39 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:30.47 | Lunessa | And free for the smartphone flavors. |
| 22:30.51 | A-KO | exactly |
| 22:31.04 | ajmitch | shipping cost is several times that for those of us in other countries |
| 22:31.05 | Xyphoid | to NZ it was like $6 + $18 shipping |
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| 22:31.07 | A-KO | I've had 2 authenticators (physical) and the 1 on my phone |
| 22:31.07 | Lunessa | And blizzard even gave me one free at blizzcon |
| 22:31.12 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:31.17 | A-KO | I bought one, got one for free at blizzcon, and got the phone one |
| 22:31.24 | Xyphoid | we got friends in the US to buy them and mail them to us |
| 22:31.34 | Shadowed | They might also make it an optional tag |
| 22:31.39 | Shadowed | like set a rank to require an authenticator |
| 22:31.56 | Shadowed | I would imagine they would go with that rather than enforcing it |
| 22:32.01 | Maldivia | inscribing glyphs will cost stuff now ?! |
| 22:32.05 | Maldivia | +CONFIRM_GLYPH_PLACEMENT = "Are you sure you want to inscribe this glyph? The existing glyph will be lost.\n\n%sCost: %d %s|r"; |
| 22:32.29 | Stanzilla | read again |
| 22:32.39 | Shadowed | They changed it so you would have to learn glyphs once didn't they? |
| 22:32.42 | Shadowed | so it would make sense to add a gold sink |
| 22:32.45 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:33.23 | Maldivia | wargames sounds neat |
| 22:34.08 | Amarande | Shadowed: also, it makes strategies that involve swapping glyphs for specific fights each raid less attractive :) |
| 22:34.14 | Shadowed | not exactly |
| 22:34.41 | Xyphoid | right now there's a gold cost for doing that |
| 22:34.42 | Shadowed | I bet it'll only cost 5g-10g, or something extremely low |
| 22:35.46 | Amarande | I bet people start avoiding builds where the RL might expect them to swap glyphs for certain fights :) |
| 22:36.00 | Amarande | Remember, you'd have to do it twice per raid, once before the fight and once after |
| 22:36.31 | Xyphoid | but that's exactly what you do now if you glyph-swap |
| 22:36.44 | Amarande | Meanwhile, how often do other builds have to pay a fee like that? Only if you wipe, and only if you're plate I think |
| 22:37.06 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah, I expect those builds aren't very popular very now either |
| 22:37.18 | Amarande | but the learn glyphs once thing is definite, then? |
| 22:37.23 | Maldivia | +NPC_NAMES_DROPDOWN_TRACKED_TOOLTIP = "Display names for NPC's involved with quests, as well as tracked NPCs using the minimap tracker."; |
| 22:37.33 | Amarande | If we have to both buy new glyphs off AH for each swap AND pay to equip them, that would just suck. |
| 22:37.45 | Maldivia | Amarande: yeah, learn once |
| 22:37.56 | Maldivia | Amarande: +ITEM_GLYPH_ONUSE = "Permanently teaches you this glyph."; |
| 22:40.09 | Xyphoid | they really designed themselves into a corner with inscription |
| 22:40.21 | Shadowed | eh |
| 22:40.27 | Amarande | eh, it could be worse |
| 22:40.36 | Shadowed | It's more that they made a system where you can make crazy amounts of money and where botting become a way to make lots of money from the profession :p |
| 22:40.36 | Amarande | the way I originally thought Inscription was going to work, for instance |
| 22:40.46 | Shadowed | by doing this they'll make it less about posting 500000 glyphs and botting it all |
| 22:40.59 | Xyphoid | well it's the way level 15 glyphs are vital for level 80s |
| 22:41.23 | Amarande | Originally, I thought inscriptions were going to attach to specific abilities, since they always said it would "attach to your spellbook" |
| 22:41.28 | Xyphoid | so the entire glyph space is relevant to max level people, instead of every other profession's approach |
| 22:41.42 | Amarande | and then I started to envision this nightmare of micromanagement where people would be expected to have this specific glyph on this specific rank of this ability etc. |
| 22:41.55 | Amarande | that would have sucked. :) |
| 22:42.08 | Amarande | Xyph: well, it does give low levels something to sell reliably |
| 22:42.10 | Maldivia | hmm: +WARGAME_TOOLTIP = "War Games allow you to challenge teams of the same faction to a showdown in a battleground of your choice. To start a War Game you must be the party leader, select a battleground, target and opposing party leader and click the War Game button."; |
| 22:42.24 | Amarande | and really, it's not the level 15 glyphs that are going to be the problem in cata :) |
| 22:42.34 | Amarande | the problem will be the ones that need to be learned from the Book of Glyph Mastery |
| 22:42.47 | Amarande | since those mostly drop in top end Northrend *instances*, which hardly anyone will run in Cata |
| 22:43.10 | Xyphoid | i'm sure there'll be a solution, given that every glyph is being reworked |
| 22:43.18 | Amarande | You'll see everyone running UK, Nexus, AN, OK, DTK, VH, Gundrak still |
| 22:43.36 | Amarande | but you'll probably not see much of anyone running HoS or the 80's, they'll move on to Cata instances |
| 22:43.54 | Xyphoid | i bet you $5 there will be a source of any vital glyph that doesn't involve running northrend instances |
| 22:43.55 | Amarande | (not to mention probably be FORCED to move on to them since I wouldn't be surprised if the DF pushes you into Cata instances at 78, like NR ones at 68 and Outland at 58) |
| 22:44.32 | Amarande | speaking of which pushing people into NR instances at 68 was not a very smart move of Blizzard's :| |
| 22:44.45 | Amarande | especially the tanks. |
| 22:45.03 | Amarande | the tanks have had very limited chances to meet the gear standard for UK, which is not a very friendly instance for an undergeared leveling tank ... |
| 22:45.11 | Amarande | I don't think you can even get the Cobalt set till 70, no? |
| 22:45.55 | Lunessa | Most of the good stuff is mid-70s. |
| 22:46.06 | Amarande | And meanwhile they're being shoved in at a level where they're going to have to deal with crushing blows on top of that. |
| 22:46.27 | Amarande | It's just a damn bloody good thing that healers on the other hand are massively overpowered during the leveling process from late Outland onward. |
| 22:46.47 | Amarande | At least, disc priests are ... haven't really looked at the others. |
| 22:48.32 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, exactly. |
| 22:48.42 | Amarande | the 58/68 thing pushes tanks into content too soon |
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| 22:49.06 | Lunessa | Cataclysm doesn't do that. It's 80 to play, thank you. |
| 22:49.09 | Amarande | HFR and UK are both *not* particularly kind to undergeared tanks, actually. |
| 22:49.30 | TC-nix | ~blorb |
| 22:49.30 | purl | ACTION blorbs |
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| 22:49.49 | Amarande | HFR is probably particularly bad, since a lot of healers probably haven't finished making the gear jump to Outland if they're queuing constantly |
| 22:49.55 | Amarande | and that dragon fire hits the tank like a truck |
| 22:50.22 | Amarande | Remembering that 1) the tank probably does NOT have all that classic fire resistance gear like new outland tanks probably had when BC was new |
| 22:50.23 | Lunessa | Well, be prepared ... in Cataclysm, everything hits like a truck. |
| 22:50.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:50.46 | Odlaw | ya.. even pre-80 content is broken |
| 22:50.47 | Amarande | and 2) the tank has to stand IN the damn fire ... really the only ones that have any sort of defenses towards it are paladins with fire resist aura |
| 22:50.48 | Odlaw | some of it |
| 22:50.53 | Lunessa | Pulling 3 mobs in starter zones will equal death. |
| 22:51.15 | Odlaw | like the quest in stormpeaks where you get a bear mount and beat on some gorilla.. that gorilla hits extremely hard. |
| 22:51.29 | Dagmar | Man it's nice being BM |
| 22:51.48 | Amarande | Lunessa: I take it this means I should probably be using my tank spec when leveling in Cata ... |
| 22:52.02 | Maldivia | hmm, perhaps chaning glyphs will require scribe made items instead of gold... |
| 22:52.29 | Amarande | UK ... again, the trouble is the DF sends tanks in at 68, which is two levels below even the most basic Northrend tanking set (the Cobalt), and in addition to the general truck like nature of Northrend mobs when you're still in BC gear |
| 22:52.45 | Amarande | the bosses are 72 ... this means the DF forces people to deal with crushing blows, something even raiders don't have to deal with now ... |
| 22:52.55 | Xyphoid | you use pigments to make brain white-out, clearly |
| 22:53.02 | Lunessa | Amarande: I'm playing an Enhnacement shaman. I'm very close to 85. I have about 62K Health a(gear/items aren't all in yet) and I have to heal myself in every fight - even against single mobs in order to live. |
| 22:53.33 | Amarande | Lunessa: ok, so basically: DPS specs of all types are pretty much like coke cans at a monster truck rally in cata. :) |
| 22:54.06 | Amarande | How well do you think people leveling in tank spec/gear will fare? |
| 22:54.12 | Lunessa | Yes. We're not crit immune, and we'll have less armor, but similar helath to tanks. |
| 22:54.24 | Lunessa | I think tank spec leveling will be fine. |
| 22:55.25 | Lunessa | tanks are soloing quests I have to look for help on, especially if they have a self-heal component like Paladins and Death Knights |
| 22:55.56 | Lunessa | I respec'ed to get my Toughness talent for soloing. 'cause I friggen well need it. |
| 22:57.11 | nicoli_s | woot! age of empires online |
| 22:57.58 | nicoli_s | now lets hope it doesnt suck ass |
| 22:58.32 | TC-nix | nicoli_s: isnt there an NDA? |
| 22:58.49 | Alram | obviously not a big one |
| 22:59.00 | Amarande | some people probably don't care about getting sued, TC :P |
| 22:59.07 | TC-Work | so it would seem |
| 22:59.14 | Amarande | for one, there's something you actually have to have in order to really need to care about being sued. |
| 22:59.15 | nicoli_s | i didnt say i have it |
| 22:59.17 | Amarande | I believe they call it 'money' |
| 22:59.18 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:59.28 | nicoli_s | im just saying i hope it doesnt suck |
| 22:59.33 | TC-Work | it doest |
| 22:59.38 | TC-Work | doesnt* |
| 22:59.44 | nicoli_s | well thats good, have you played it? |
| 22:59.49 | TC-Work | cant say |
| 22:59.56 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 23:00.16 | nicoli_s | its like evony-ish isnt it? |
| 23:00.36 | TC-Work | never played that |
| 23:01.03 | Maldivia | hmm... temp enchant on ranged now... or has that always been posible? |
| 23:01.20 | Adys | Maldivia, Cide, nicoli_s: http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/5313/i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-how-awesome-i-am/ |
| 23:01.43 | Maldivia | lol - cute |
| 23:01.44 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/5295/sun-of-a/ |
| 23:01.45 | Adys | haha. |
| 23:02.13 | nicoli_s | very silly |
| 23:02.54 | Amarande | Maldivia: I thought they did away with temp enchants in LK |
| 23:03.26 | Amarande | or is Cata bringing back the whole shebang of having to bring temp enchants, some classes being expected to take certain professions like people were expected to use a profession slot in BC on LW for drums, etc.? |
| 23:03.27 | Maldivia | Amarande: looking over the UI changes, I noticed they changed the way temp weapon enchants were being handled, and they added a check for ranged |
| 23:03.30 | TC-nix | mini-whee |
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| 23:04.06 | Maldivia | +elseif ( self:GetID() == 18 ) then |
| 23:04.08 | Maldivia | +CancelItemTempEnchantment(3); |
| 23:04.44 | Amarande | also: is Cata bringing back the idea of having to have mind-crushingly high levels of gear just to do heroics, like BC? |
| 23:04.52 | Maldivia | yes |
| 23:04.59 | Amarande | wonder what the DF's standard is |
| 23:05.40 | Amarande | Or will the DF even be useful for heroics at all, or will it be like BC where a random grouping of classes can be expected to fail because most heroics will need at least one DPS to be a specific class for a specific ability related to CC etc.? |
| 23:06.07 | Maldivia | the DF has a "requires average item level" attached to dungeons |
| 23:06.28 | Amarande | Which also probably means that DKs are probably going to be forced into a tanking role full time, I'm imagining, since DKs don't really *have* CC and DPS will surely be expected to bring it |
| 23:06.46 | Xyphoid | chains kiting! |
| 23:06.49 | Maldivia | they can silence, snare, etc |
| 23:06.57 | Maldivia | pull mobs away from casters |
| 23:07.23 | Xyphoid | yeah, a dps dk should be able to offtank a caster |
| 23:07.27 | Amarande | yeah, I know of the average item level thing, they did it with heroics and ICC5's |
| 23:07.32 | Xyphoid | like rogues used to in BC |
| 23:07.35 | Amarande | although, are the average item levels for that *known*? |
| 23:07.42 | Amarande | and yes, I actually can offtank casters |
| 23:07.48 | Amarande | I do it pretty often with the mage ghosts in HHoR |
| 23:08.10 | Maldivia | the DF now lists why you cannot queue, slething like "requires 305, you have 298) |
| 23:08.15 | Amarande | It helps a lot, since it tends to mean Flamestrike doesn't land in the group :) |
| 23:08.33 | Xyphoid | http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t83483-patch_3_3_patch_notes_undocumented_changes/p6/#post1542858 was my testing of it |
| 23:08.35 | Amarande | Either it lands on ME, or it doesn't happen at all since usually the reason I AM offtanking the mage is so I can interrupt things like that :) |
| 23:09.03 | Amarande | Flamestrike's particularly evil there for a number of reasons, so I go all out to stop it |
| 23:09.17 | Amarande | 1) the healers are usually already fairly stressed in most HHoR groups, while I can handle myself against a single mage |
| 23:09.48 | Amarande | 2) more importantly, there's usually so much shit on the floor in HHoR that it's hard to tell if you're standing in it, and half the time normally it will land on a hunter ghost's frost trap so you're SNARED in it |
| 23:10.05 | TC-nix | w |
| 23:10.17 | Amarande | since usually there's frost trap aura all over the place where people are fighting, and half the time the tank is a DK or a Pally so you have to try to see it among the Consecrate/D&D |
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| 23:10.41 | Amarande | yeaaaah it's a lot easier when flamestrike doesn't land in the group. :) |
| 23:14.42 | Adys | http://www.wowtal.com/ updated for last build |
| 23:15.29 | industrial | Cairenn: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1104061/312a7e52/lui_hondje.html |
| 23:16.03 | Cairenn | cute |
| 23:16.46 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 23:16.54 | Amarande | Finally picked up Naamah's Curse :) |
| 23:16.55 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:18.59 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 23:19.10 | Amarande | and the hell is with these character names |
| 23:19.18 | Amarande | in the space of about two minutes walk through durotar |
| 23:19.24 | Amarande | I run into a character named "Bosoms the Love Fool" |
| 23:19.29 | Amarande | and now a "Milkmesoftly" |
| 23:20.11 | Amarande | Also: Bosoms the Love Fool is undead. I'm lucky I'm strong willed enough not to need brain bleach :) |
| 23:27.22 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out of here for today. |
| 23:27.44 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/5262/double-rainbow/ |
| 23:28.55 | Amarande | When does the Zalazane event end, btw? |
| 23:29.03 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/5289/extra-credit-bonus-stage/ |
| 23:29.06 | Adys | i love this ach |
| 23:29.55 | Amarande | and something that seems not to be known well, and I'm NOT exactly sure how it works since they made them chained achievements |
| 23:30.09 | Amarande | if your first Lich King 25 kill is on heroic, do you get KS AND Light of Dawn at once, or do you have to do it twice because of the chain? |
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| 23:31.15 | kd3 | adys; lol |
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| 23:34.56 | kd3 | cripes... 17k lines in the 12857-12942 diff |
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| 23:40.19 | Mr_Rabies | is there any way to turn off the autocomplete at the mailbox for guildies and only use friends? |
| 23:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | i've got a guildie with a very similar name to my bank alt and i know i'm gonna send them a billion gold one day |
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| 23:45.14 | Adys | solution: Be poor |
| 23:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | pfft leave it to the french to give that option |
| 23:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | ;p |
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| 23:48.46 | kd3 | emails away |
| 23:49.13 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26726015241&postId=267232809122&sid=1#12 |
| 23:49.15 | bluspacecow | RFC |
| 23:49.22 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 23:49.56 | bluspacecow | question : is the Click function common to all buttons and should it be protected ? |
| 23:51.11 | Adys | Shirik: pong |
| 23:51.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:51.25 | kd3 | oh, Shirik, you pinged me this morning? |
| 23:51.40 | Adys | yes, he pinged me this morning |
| 23:52.18 | Shirik | I forgot both |
| 23:52.19 | Shirik | so |
| 23:52.21 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 23:52.27 | Shirik | "{ |
| 23:52.28 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:52.37 | SqueeG | T____________T why isn't automaton Ace3'd? |
| 23:52.48 | Shirik | I will hurt you |
| 23:53.08 | kd3 | winces |
| 23:53.12 | bluspacecow | not sure SqueeG is Quick Auctions Poster automation ? |
| 23:53.25 | Adys | hurts you |
| 23:53.53 | SqueeG | Automaton is just one of those wee addons that does a bunch of small stuff |
| 23:54.03 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 23:54.04 | bluspacecow | Automato |
| 23:54.06 | bluspacecow | n |
| 23:54.10 | bluspacecow | not Automation |
| 23:54.10 | SqueeG | yea xD |
| 23:54.17 | Amarande | wow this poor guy in our raid |
| 23:54.23 | Amarande | he's been doing ICC10 for *four and a half months* |
| 23:54.27 | Amarande | has nearly all 264 gear |
| 23:54.29 | Amarande | and he still doesn't have KS |
| 23:56.36 | bluspacecow | KS ? |
| 23:58.30 | Shadowed | hahaha |
| 23:58.35 | Shadowed | Someone finally made an actual addon to automate QA? |
| 23:58.47 | Shadowed | That's hilarious, I was wondering how long it would take someone to do that given you could do it with 10 lines of OnUpdate |
| 23:59.00 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 23:59.14 | bluspacecow | did you have a look at that forum post I linked shadowed ? |
| 23:59.25 | bluspacecow | wondering if my explanation of how the code works is correct or not |
| 23:59.25 | Shadowed | Vaguely, about to run to get dinner but |
| 23:59.31 | Shadowed | yea looked right |
| 23:59.34 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 23:59.44 | Shadowed | Click is valid on all buttons, but it requires a secure action on secure buttons (I believe) |
| 23:59.50 | Shadowed | so you should be able to call :Click() from chat box |
